2021-01-21

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369324 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 3, #1 of 2137 🔗

Got a podium position!

369326 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Liewe, 9, #2 of 2137 🔗

The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YosN8rP8Q

369329 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #3 of 2137 🔗

The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

369364 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 37, #4 of 2137 🔗

Just watched this – why oh why does common sense not prevail?

Tragedy to all those who have lost jobs/businesses.

This has all been driven by MSM, social media(?anti-social media) and the pronouncements of WHO. These people are responsible for promoting fear and panic over what is in effect a type of flu that 99.5% of people recover from world-wide.

371210 ▶▶▶▶ notmenotreally, replying to Judy Watson, -5, #5 of 2137 🔗

I guess you don’t actually watch the TV news ?

Do you think the ‘NHS overloaded’ story is fake ?

The real world situation has been driven by a nasty virus.

Not helped by the idiots on here.

371350 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to notmenotreally, 2, #6 of 2137 🔗

Why would anyone with half a brain watch TV news, we leave that to you 77th Brigaders.

369710 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #7 of 2137 🔗

It looks like it’s been taken down or something as I cannot get it to play.

369738 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #8 of 2137 🔗

I’ve just clicked onto it and it’s still there.
Summary:

The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed
23,016 views

Sky News Australia
1.12M subscribers
Published on 20 Jan 2021
People across the globe have finally got a glimpse into the tears and disaster Melbourne’s record-breaking lockdown caused thousands of its citizens.

Sky News host Chris Smith said throughout the pandemic it has been easy to see the dire health damage suffered by hundreds-of-thousands throughout the globe.

“What can’t be filmed so easily is the pain, suffering and deaths, attributed to the economic damage wrecked by lockdowns and border closures,” he said.

On Wednesday, The Herald Sun released a list of 1384 businesses which collapsed during Victoria’s harsh lockdowns.

“Today, you could actually see a glimpse of what that side of the pandemic is like, what disaster it has created,” Mr Smith said.

“On and on it goes. Each and every one of these companies has a tragic, heartbreaking story to tell”.

Despite the recently released data illustrating the severe effects of such policies, the Victorian premier still has his state’s borders up to parts of Sydney even as these zones only have “infinitesimal COVID cases,” according to Mr Smith.

“We don’t have a COVID emergency, not anymore. We have an economic emergency, where jobs, wages and business have all been trashed.” “

371221 ▶▶▶▶▶ notmenotreally, replying to LMS2, -4, #9 of 2137 🔗

How many businesses in Victoria survived ?

How many that went under where heading that way anyway ?

How many businesses in Victoria collapse in the average year ?

Is this year radically different to last year ?

Is there an observable difference in ‘business death’ this year to last ?

That’s the questions you sceptics ask about human lives…..

371353 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to notmenotreally, 1, #10 of 2137 🔗

Go on you tell us. Obviously Melbourne like London is booming. When do you go off watch?

371455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to notmenotreally, #11 of 2137 🔗

Oh go away you Troll.

370335 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Smelly Melly, #12 of 2137 🔗

Both links worked fine for me just now.

371462 ▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #13 of 2137 🔗

If you have a point you can argue, go ahead.

371463 ▶▶▶▶ Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, #14 of 2137 🔗

That wasn’t for lockdoensceptic

369327 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Liewe, 6, #15 of 2137 🔗

6 More Quotes From Orwell’s 1984 That Have Come True

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coswV93uYxc

370351 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #16 of 2137 🔗

Great, thanks.
Here’s episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5-Ir0RT-o

369360 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Liewe, #17 of 2137 🔗

Indeed you have. Well done.

369325 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #18 of 2137 🔗

Delete

371187 ▶▶ Alex, replying to Steve Hayes, #19 of 2137 🔗

Hi Steve – Delete… I want to do my first proper post tomorrow, but wanted to check out my LDS name and how it comes out. I am a little confused. I have a nickname that I can change, but I cannot change my user name, which is what I want to do. If anyone can give me tips on this I would appreciate it.also, if I want to follow my post and the replies, how do I do this? Thanks!

369328 Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #20 of 2137 🔗

The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

369331 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 111, #21 of 2137 🔗

The furlough extension takes my mind back to the Concorde crash in 2003. I remember reading the transcript from the cockpit. They realized while still on the runway, but past the point of no return, that something was disastrously wrong and they wrestled the plane into the sky. A co-pilot shouted “reroute to Le Bourget” – the other Paris airport, for an emergency landing – but the pilot replied, “No time”. The only option open to them was to continue to push the engines for all they were worth, knowing that it was in vain. Sunak can’t turn off the taps because, the moment he does, it will be seen that the economy has already crashed.

369335 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 53, #22 of 2137 🔗

Your analogy is a good one because Concorde crashed anyway, and that was the end of the whole supersonic passenger flight project.

369339 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 43, #23 of 2137 🔗

That was the excuse for ending it. The real reason was the Americans taxing and regulating it out of the sky because it wasn’t theirs.

369345 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 42, #24 of 2137 🔗

An excuse was all that was needed. Covid is the excuse for everything.

369357 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 30, #25 of 2137 🔗

The excuse for, among other things, frightening or lockdown regulating hoi polo out of the skies without having to use the law, tax or rationing air miles.
Greta must be so pleased.

369371 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 17, #26 of 2137 🔗

Very regrettably true. Boeing might have grounded the 737max fleet but they didn’t scrap it which is what they should have done. Concordes crash was caused by crap on the runway piercing a fuel tank but the Americans would not have it.

369599 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #27 of 2137 🔗

To be precise it was a counterfeit part falling off a Continental Airlines DC-10 that downed the Air France Concorde.

And to me the 737 MAX reminds me of the MD-11, in that both were modifications of an earlier design where attempting to improve fuel efficiency ended up introducing a dangerous handling deficiency.

371440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to GCarty80, #28 of 2137 🔗

Ah, a bit like Grenfell cladding introducing a dangerous fire risk.

369899 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to karenovirus, 1, #29 of 2137 🔗

Plus the frogs wanted her gone, snecma stopped manufacturing a lot of the engine spares.

369980 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #30 of 2137 🔗

Plus the facts that it was noisy, claustrophobic, loss making, dirty and expensive to use. Other than that not too bad for 1950s technology.

370712 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to karenovirus, 1, #31 of 2137 🔗

Well the globalist filth is back in power so expect to see more of this

369435 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Annie, 15, #32 of 2137 🔗

Actually it was 9/11 that killed Concorde, for two reasons:

  1. Many of Concorde’s most loyal passengers worked in the World Trade Center and were killed in 9/11, and
  2. The increased airport security measures following 9/11 largely destroyed Concorde’s speed advantage versus rented private jets (which weren’t subject to the same security requirements, were a lot more flexible, and cost about the same as flying on Concorde).
369428 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 40, #33 of 2137 🔗

They cannot escape it. They spend money next financial year as they did last FY and it’s game over for the credit rating. UK bonds will be junk. That’s bye bye to pensions, btw. NHS shut from December to April every year because govt can’t borrow.

They’ve got to go.

369751 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #34 of 2137 🔗

But they don’t need to borrow any more.That nice Bank of England “finances” whatever they need by printing crispy new notes. It’s all fine until it isn’t.
If we did what the government was doing it would be called counterfeiting.

371446 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to PhilipF, #35 of 2137 🔗

Looks like things could get very very nasty this decade. As I said at the end of the last decade before this shambles had got going…

371443 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Nick Rose, #36 of 2137 🔗

Does Sir Keir Starmer know this (or care)?

369645 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #37 of 2137 🔗

Sunak will keep the taps on until the tank is empty. The goal is to crash the economy beyond repair.

https://youtu.be/uZ_sSfIZH5Q

Kind regards.

A ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist’.

370146 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to J4mes, 9, #38 of 2137 🔗

I fear we are beyond repairing the economy. The tank is already empty and running on fumes.
Now the Evil Emperor Oberklunkenfurher Klaus Schwab has Beijing Biden enthroned there is one less obstacle to world domination.

370381 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to J4mes, 5, #39 of 2137 🔗

It is the only rational explanation.The man is involved in a hedge fund.He is not an idiot.

371156 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to J4mes, #40 of 2137 🔗

It’s not hard to loathe this old Chunt ! + I’ve just been told that an old friend of mines cousin (61)has died in B,ham QE & his wife & mom are still in there so I phoned my mate & he’s been in the QE over Xmas with it and his wife had it + another uncle died of it (71)& some of his aunts have got it 🤦🏼‍♂️ They are all from Italian heritage .my mate caught it from work but he thinks the extended family must have got together over the holiday , nightmare story ! ( not seeking an opinion just thought I’d pass this info on )

371466 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to PWL, #42 of 2137 🔗

from the same site – “9/11… is the key to understanding the past, the present and the future.”

A prophet of our times associated with our church had a word of knowledge which he eventually shared with his prayer community on the tenth of September 2001, that “God is going to do a new thing”. He said he didn’t know what new thing, whether it would be a financial crash with bankers jumping out of buildings, or some other sort of change in the world’s affairs.

That article would appear to suggest he was on to something…

369332 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 30, #43 of 2137 🔗

Well we finally had the his Fraudulency the globalist puppet installed. Covid should be over pretty soon now. They’ll probably drag it out a few more months though to sell more vaccines.

369370 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Elisabeth, 26, #44 of 2137 🔗

I think this may be naive. There are states who have resisted the lockdown measures. They need to be brought to heel.
This will never end. A new world is being created and the old one needs to have crumbled into dust to make way for it.

369564 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #45 of 2137 🔗

I don’t know you already have lockdown zealots like the don of New York talking about opening up and lessening lockdown. I am not an expert but I don’t think Sleepy Joe can do what the fat pig dictator has done in the UK. He can mandate but the governors can just ignore him. Why would people in Florida go back to wearing masks?

369943 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #46 of 2137 🔗

He was pictured soon after at Lincoln Memorial (Federal land) unmasked.

370186 ▶▶▶▶ BSK2, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #47 of 2137 🔗

Xio Bai Den has mandated the wearing of masks on federal property across all states but he has no power to mandate that they be worn at all times by everyone as that infringes states’ rights.

369373 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Elisabeth, 26, #48 of 2137 🔗

You’re right about installing Beijing Biden, but Covid measures won’t end until human rights are a distant memory and all dissent has been ruthlessly crushed.

369395 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Elisabeth, 22, #49 of 2137 🔗

oh, how I wish that were their endgame. I fear the opposite will happen: Beijing Biden (I use that term metonymically of course to refer to the real actors behind this senile old gangster) will now ramp up the scamdemic hoax and the USA will charge full speed ahead into complete ruin, dragging the whole of civilisation in its wake

371492 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JaneHarry, #50 of 2137 🔗

Peking Bidden

“When America sneezes, the world catches cold”

369937 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #51 of 2137 🔗

His Fraudulency II according to Robert Barnes.

369333 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 24, #52 of 2137 🔗

Morning all.

Slightly dumbfounded by this overnight DM story.

https://mol.im/a/9169697

I’ll choose to ignore the £350m testing contract dished out to another croney. What disillusioned me is that the contract is for TWO YEARS.

Whyb the fuck do they think we will still need testing in two years time?

369365 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richy_m_99, 18, #53 of 2137 🔗

Make that 20, there’s a hell of a lot of “important” jobs, sorry; careers on this particular “gravy train”; “experts, advisers, assistant experts, assistant advisors, et al”.

369398 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #54 of 2137 🔗

They intend to keep up this charade through testing.

369334 Hugh, 9, #55 of 2137 🔗

Blimey, that was quick.(Sometimes there’s no posts in the first 20 minutes never mind the first 5 minutes) A bit of a rush today! (Probably because it was late).

And I’ll tell you a story about “Faust”ing ( (or whatever you want to call it).ie the rush for the podium.

It was the night of the 31st of December, a terrible year drawing to an end. I happened to be up late, and, perusing lockdownsceptics.org, I noticed that the main page had updated for another day, and a message was staring at me – “be first to comment!”.

Well, I decided to take up the challenge, though my heart wasn’t really in it, being a bit tired and fed up. Now as I was writing, a message flashed up on the left that there was a “new” comment, by a certain Fred. The pressure of podium (top of) gone, I abandoned what I had been writing, and looked through Fred’s missive. As I read it, my eyes welling up, I thought, “thank goodness I didn’t take that off the top of btl”. Whatever point I was making (and it was some sort of reasonably serious one) just seemed to pale into insignificance compared to that. And even more so when it was picked up atl. And given 352 (net) upticks.

Now whilst I can see where people are coming from with “Faust”ing, and absolutely support people’s right to do it – goodness knows, there’s enough darkness at the moment after all, and if it takes people’s minds off it for a bit and cheers someone up, that is no bad thing – just be aware that there can be downsides to it sometimes as well.

Now for atl!

369336 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 66, #56 of 2137 🔗

… and probably all of those who are faking outrage over the “abhorrent” comments by Sumpton are perfectly willing to deny the value of human life in the womb.

The hypocrisy doesn’t get much more blatant than that.

Furthermore, lockdown zealots hold their views not out of concern for others, but out of fear. They are absolutely placing value on human life, with their own lives valued more highly than all others.

369346 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to RyanM, 51, #57 of 2137 🔗

Lockdown sceptics are not Granny killers (see Sweden, Belarus, the Hasidic Jews etc.). However, one might reasonably suggest that lockdown zealots are child killers given that more children will die from lockdowns than if there had been no lockdowns worldwide.

How much cheaper, and better, would targeted protection have been?

370739 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, 3, #58 of 2137 🔗

The globalist filth doesn’t give a rip who all they kill in the process. The more the merrier. They have a depopulation goal to fill

371497 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, #59 of 2137 🔗

but they won’t start with themselves I presume…

369401 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to RyanM, 5, #60 of 2137 🔗

Puzzled by the reference to “value of human life in the womb” – and presume you are talking about the prospective mothers rights to, on the one hand, medical care and attention if she has decided to proceed with the pregnancy and, on the other hand, her rights to medical care and attention if she’s decided to terminate the pregnancy.

369404 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 4, #61 of 2137 🔗

Clarifying that obviously a foetus has no rights that trump the womans rights or even come on a par with them.

371500 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ElizaP, #62 of 2137 🔗

Children, mothers, fathers, all have rights. A dangerous road to go down though, when one group has the right to act as judge, jury and executioner. Fear is one of the by products according to the science that the peer review medical journeys don’t like to print for political reasons. I suspect that this is one of the reasons why we are living in such a fearful society.

369846 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to ElizaP, 3, #63 of 2137 🔗

Terminate the child, you mean.

369402 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RyanM, 23, #64 of 2137 🔗

yeh, don’t get me started on that: the argument is that the foetus can not claim a right to life which involves a violation on someone else’s bodily autonomy – if you can not stand alone, then get fucked, is a pretty neat summary: whether you agree with it or not, at least it is a reasonable position to hold – but that position has been thrown to the winds now, where I am supposed to restrict my oxygen intake, take part in a satanic ritual, and inject poison into my body, so that some 100-year-old can spend a few more months in their semi vegetative state. unbelievable

369429 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 1, #65 of 2137 🔗

‘Triage’

369496 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to RyanM, 1, #66 of 2137 🔗

Referencing foetus rights, as it’s simply about when we stop being allowed to curtail the life, may I suggest 16 years old so that we can do for those we consider a pain before that?

370397 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RyanM, 2, #67 of 2137 🔗

People like nothing better than to enjoy a bit of indignation. That’s why the Daily Hatemail is so popular.

369337 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 16, #68 of 2137 🔗

From the main article
‘Another divide that long lockdown might open is that between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated.
The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t’.

The government have a handy template for the new regulations.

h/t Offguardian

369341 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 9, #69 of 2137 🔗

It will be a long walk to freedom.

369353 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to karenovirus, 24, #70 of 2137 🔗

It used to be called discrimination and used to be frowned upon. Now is for the greater good. If this is not double-speak I don’t know what it is.

369415 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TheClone, 3, #71 of 2137 🔗

Absolutely true. Wonder who will react back most strongly on any such discrimination between those who’ve never had any discrimination – because they’re male/British/healthy and have stayed in the region of the country they were born in (and so I would imagine have never encountered any sort of discrimination), those on the halfway point (eg same – but a female body and moved to a different region of the country) and those who’ve had a lot of discrimination.

369540 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TheClone, 6, #72 of 2137 🔗

the problem is ill-definition of the actual evil to be addressed: – rationalists target religion, when what they really mean is irrationality and dogma and superstition, in all of its forms, (and not necessarily always exemplified in religion) , anti-racists target racism, when what they really mean is bigotry and prejudice, which in its extreme forms leads to demonisation, scapegoating, and genocide, (and not necessarily exemplified in every instance of discrimination) – if you don’t define your enemy precisely enough, you will get distracted by red herrings, while it creeps up on you unawares

370303 ▶▶ iansn, replying to karenovirus, 2, #73 of 2137 🔗

That’s a cracker and should be shown to all of the zealots as a sign that they do not beliive in freedom.

369338 Annie, replying to Annie, 31, #74 of 2137 🔗

From the excellent Willbourn piece:

“As for the authorities, we must learn to treat them like an occupying force, with caution and adequate courtesy on the surface and careful disregard underneath.
Bon courage!”

He’s right. That’s the way people have always lived under tyranny and occupation. Actually it’s how a lot of people in this conquered and occupied country are living now.

Unfortunately, it also involves winking at the iniquities of the tyrant. ‘Mr Cohen. next door? Oh, he … went away … er. I don’t know what happened to him and his family. Really couldn’t tell you. Bye bye, got to go now.

369908 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, #75 of 2137 🔗

Unless the Cohens are living in your loft.

370418 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #76 of 2137 🔗

Especially if the Cohens are living in your loft!

369340 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 167, #77 of 2137 🔗

“Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.”

So basically, we’ll stay in lockdown until the handsomely paid, unelected, narcissistic, monomaniacal government scientists who are now running this country tell our hopeless coward of a Prime Minister that we are allowed a crumb of freedom, and inevitably harsh restrictions will return towards the end of this year.

I want to see Vallance, Whitty, Van Tam, Ferguson and the rest of this racket hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes against humanity.

369347 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Scotty87, 51, #78 of 2137 🔗

Is that the government scientists funded by Bill Gates and Big Pharma? Just to be clear.

371356 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, #79 of 2137 🔗

And Whitty has now been lined up for a plum job at Bill Gates’s WHO.

371502 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, #80 of 2137 🔗

What a surprise. (Though I thought it was China’s WHO…)

369349 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Scotty87, 25, #81 of 2137 🔗

Some years ago I had a failed attempt to read a book called the Glass Bead Game by Hermann Hesse, I think it was that failed reading attempt that confirmed the limits of my intellectual capacity! Nonetheless from what I do recall of that book, the way the health tyrants are now approaching covid and health in general seems to have become something of a latter day Glass Bead Game, with the tyrants vying with each other to achieve the highest score of health tyranny in some academic exercise devoid of any sense of reality.
Meanwhile our politicians flounder around pushed back and forth by the tide not waving but drowning and seemingly incapable of doing their job of driving a realistic balanced public health policy.

369890 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #82 of 2137 🔗

Today, the health tyranny goes by the name of depopulation and the tyranny is headed up by the eugenicist and vaccinator in chief Bill Gates. Some politicians may be floundering, but not so in the UK, where the important members of the government are clearly enthusiastic depopulators. We need to remember that Boris hails from a family, that had and likely still has, strong eugenicist tendencies. Boris the buffoon and the floundering politician is all an act.

369902 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Rowan, 4, #83 of 2137 🔗

Makes sense of all the shagging, a one man crusade to repopulate the world with his superior stock.

369352 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Scotty87, 13, #84 of 2137 🔗

Expect unending lockdowns and be happy!

369959 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TheClone, 3, #85 of 2137 🔗

And own nothing.

369387 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 27, #86 of 2137 🔗

Hanging, d and q is messy.
Just shut them up with one another, in a small cell, with no computer or tv, for life.

369399 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 20, #87 of 2137 🔗

They would need to wear N99 masks 24/7 to stop them spreading noscomial infections. Act like you have it.

369441 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 32, #88 of 2137 🔗

With the promise that of course we all want to lift their restrictions and restore their freedoms and that this will of course be done as soon, and as far as it is safe to do so. We can deliver messages with their meals – ‘we’re on the final straight now!’ ‘As long as you obey the rules, you’ll be out of here in no time!’ ‘Oops, bad news, afraid we found a new variant, your release has been kicked a distance down the road, but don’t lose heart!’ That kind of thing. Needless to say they’ll never be released.

369735 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 6, #89 of 2137 🔗

I’d add no heating, water or food. They’d have to eat each other to stay alive.

369408 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 12, #90 of 2137 🔗

I think shooting them would be easier and quicker. Plus don’t forget that Mitchie woman, she also deserves to be shot.

Repurpose Tower Hill for such use.

370440 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #91 of 2137 🔗

Too kind to them!
Consider the suffering they’ve inflicted on the working poor and our children/young adults; the systematic destruction of people’s livelihoods; of our social structure; the effective abolition of the arts; plus what torture is yet to come for the rest of us.
I think their punishment should be prolonged indefinitely and be psychologically very painful.

370494 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #92 of 2137 🔗

Tower Hill should revert to its former use,

369414 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Scotty87, 18, #93 of 2137 🔗

I tend towards turning them into a reality show: put them on an uninhabited Hebridean island – Mingulay? – with nothing but a few horses and sheep, and basic essentials. Perhaps a manual of how islanders used to live there. And a lot of cameras so we can tune in to watch them weave horsehair ropes and abseil down sheer cliffs to collect gulls’ eggs.

They might learn a bit about risk assessment.

369417 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Alci, 6, #94 of 2137 🔗

Fabulous idea. And let’s not give them fire.

369955 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Alci, 4, #95 of 2137 🔗

I toyed with this idea last night but came to the conclusion that in order to accommodate such a large group of conspirators we’d probably need to find a rather large island that may very well end up displacing some decent law abiding folk.

I thus propose that as these tech folk and their steadfast political and scientific supporters are marvelled by the advances of the fruit of their own work, let’s put them on giant floating prisons, small cities if you like, powered by wind turbines, naturally, and set them on a course that takes them around every coastline so that everyone the world over can see what happens when one gets a little ahead of oneself and wishes to perform global medical experiments on the general populous.

With all the participants’ wealth and assets seized, it would be fully funded, good for the environment, and even better for mankind. We can call this The Great Reset Act.

To ensure this new policy remains inclusive, competitions will be launched to name each floating utopia.

As the entire BBC will be on one of them, Blue Peter will not be partaking in the competition.

I think it’s got legs.

369432 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Scotty87, 3, #96 of 2137 🔗

And the politicians.

369488 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 17, #97 of 2137 🔗

Heard Neil Oliver on talk radio say this yesterday.

Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing?

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

371467 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Scotty87, #98 of 2137 🔗

I’m all for flinging that satanic globalist filth right into the nearest active volcano. Less messy and should get them used to the fires of hell

369342 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 25, #99 of 2137 🔗

Wow, the WHO has caught up at last on PCR. I suppose anyone who suggests anything different will now be a fake news, no platformed conspiracy theorist (well you never know).

Love the pussy btw

369409 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 12, #100 of 2137 🔗

They’re slow on the uptake. Makes you wonder what’s the point of them.

369739 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #101 of 2137 🔗

Frankly I’ve been asking the same question about most of our organizations as well as our political class.

370444 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #102 of 2137 🔗

They’re the conductor of the dysfunctional orchestra.

369578 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hugh, 14, #103 of 2137 🔗

Well they ignore the WHO recommended cycle rate for the PCR test. I think they say 30 as the limit. I think we are using 45. At that rate they are picking up the cold you had when you were 8. They are cherry picking the “science”. Like the pro mask study that appears just as Creepy Joe hits office. Or the new mutant variant when we need a stricter lockdown!

369896 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hugh, 2, #104 of 2137 🔗

Emperor Xi’s son must have lined up some LFT patents and shareholdings.

369343 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 90, #105 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t the Breast Cancer Screening Programme cancellation request justify the point that Lord Sumption was trying to make?
I think it does. Covid only health service.

369344 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 58, #106 of 2137 🔗

The lives of women threatened with breast cancer are obviously less valuable.

369420 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 20, #107 of 2137 🔗

Even if we weren’t due for a screening in the last 10 months we have now all had our next screening delayed by a total of approximately 4 months and counting. That will be the difference between detecting a treatable early stage cancer and it having progressed to a much more serious disease in some. How is that justifiable?

369438 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, 26, #108 of 2137 🔗

Actually it means that the lives of all women are less valuable.
Have they also stopped screening for prostate cancer?
If so, the only conclusion is that your life is only valuable if you’ve got Covid. I suppose that gives a reason for acting as if you’ve got it.

369925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, 3, #109 of 2137 🔗

There is no screening for prostate cancer in this country.
High psi numbers are sometimes normal, and it has been deemed to lead to unnecessary investigations.

My father in Germany goes for a check up at least once a year, where the doctor puts their finger inside.
The they might do a psi test.
When I asked my over 70y friend here in GB a few years ago if he ever had a rectal exam, he said no.

370010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, 4, #110 of 2137 🔗

however the government do it metaphorically on a regular basis

370242 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 3, #111 of 2137 🔗

I don’t think they screened for prostate cancer. The argument, I believe, was that it was not accurate enough. Probably more reliable than pcr.

370449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 2, #112 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t your GP have to get pretty up close and personal for that?
Definitely no ongoing prostate screening then!

369502 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ceriain, 10, #113 of 2137 🔗

Its very sad when you have to defend a valid point and something that goes on all the time in care homes. The most idiotic argument comes from the woman with terminal cancer. If you had cancer right now you would be dead because there is a backlog and you would not be getting a diagnosis or treatment. That’s what should be making you angry you muppet not someone making a point about quality of life calculations.

369520 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ceriain, 16, #114 of 2137 🔗

Years ago when the NHS database was hacked they lost millions of patients records although this was never admitted. I decided to have a private breast screening as the NHS couldn’t deliver on time because of shortage of screening staff and closing down of many screening centres. The private hospital I attend for this procedure has never been able to recover my records from the NHS. When I go for my screening I am given a CD with images of my results. My results are always back within 48 hours having been reviewed by two consultants. The NHS breast screening service is not fit for purpose in the 21st-century.

369891 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to alw, 10, #115 of 2137 🔗

When my son had a serious climbing accident he was sent between the first hospital and the specialist eye hospital in an ambulance with a CD of all his records because the two NHS hospitals did not have compatible IT systems. When his firm’s medical insurance transferred him to private treatment the same consultants were there but the greatest benefit was that they hadn’t lost his records between treatments.

371472 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to alw, #116 of 2137 🔗

And we have folks screaming for all that FREEEEEEE socialized medicine. A) I’m pretty sure it’s not free, and B) … they get to tell you what you can and can’t do and when you’ll get it. But only if it’s Covid.

369572 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ceriain, 10, #117 of 2137 🔗

yeh, breast cancer victims’ lives are much less valuable than ‘covid’ victims’ lives (a disease that doesn’t even exist – if you untangle all the lies and clear away the obfuscation, you get to the real point, which is that nobody’s lives matter, and public health services no longer exist)

369348 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 64, #118 of 2137 🔗

Dear Pig Dictator and Mandy

We have now been under house arrest for the best part of a year

You have bankrupted the country

You have produced statistics for infections and deaths that are works of fiction

You have beaten us, locked us up and mentally tortured us

You are the guys with the bright ideas. What are you going to do now?

CBD

369356 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Cecil B, 23, #119 of 2137 🔗

The country might have been bankrupted but a lot “good guys” made a fortune! And they will continue to tell you it is for your own good. For the greater good!

369439 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #120 of 2137 🔗

More of the same. It’s the on,ply idea they’ve got.

369519 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 7, #121 of 2137 🔗

This reminds me of a guy who worked at spittalfields Market when I worked there. He was having problems with his breathing and pain in his chest. Like all manly stupid men they did not go straight to the doctors he just carried on. When the pain got so bad eventually he went to the doctors. He was always a heavy smoker and the doctors told him he had terminal cancer and there was nothing that could be done for him and he had about four months to live. He then asked, should I give up smoking?

369350 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 47, #122 of 2137 🔗

Life is filled with ironies, as the story (in the Woke section) about Leicester University neatly illustrates. For the past year academics have been busily promoting the narrative that the coronavirus is an unprecedented threat that requires unprecedented measures. This narrative has justified terrible harm; harm that these carriers never envisioned would be visited upon themselves.

Leicester’s funding problem is but the tip of a very large iceberg. The devastation inflicted on the economy will increasingly make itself felt in all sectors of society: the universities will find they have less and less funding, and more and more academics will find their assumed security was nothing more than a comfortable illusion.

It is not only the universities that will struggle for funding as the results of the wilful decimation of the economy in the name of combating the virus make themselves felt. The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs. Indeed, there will be less money for public services across the board.

When the costs of all these now inevitable reductions in public services are eventually added up will those who called for and supported the coronavirus madness finally acknowledge that they have inflicted more harm on the people of this country than the virus ever could? Will they acknowledge that this greater harm was entirely predictable? Will they be held accountable?

369358 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #123 of 2137 🔗
369362 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #124 of 2137 🔗

He was being asked about Biden, the new president of the US. Do you expect him to publicly denounce Biden’s (professed) ideological position?

369392 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #125 of 2137 🔗

Boris went woke long before Biden. Yes I realise its an unrealistic expectation, but i’d like politicians to stay to true to their proclaimed principles.

I know I see the absurdity of using principles & politicians in the same sentence. But the facts speak for themselves & boris hasn’t been speaking out over identity politics!

370488 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #126 of 2137 🔗

What a hypocrite! Goes with the job I suppose.

369366 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #127 of 2137 🔗

“The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs.”

The public purse is bottomless, because the public purse is simple section 15(3) of the Exchequer and Audit departments act 1866, where the Treasury orders the Bank of England to make the payments authorised by Parliament.

It cannot and will not run out no matter how hard you believe, because that isn’t and never has been how public provision is funded. The Spending comes first and the tax is a consequence of that, not the other way around as commonly believed.

If there are people to be hired, then government can always hire them. Economically saving acts like taxation so there is plenty of space for them to hire. The less the private sector does, the more the public sector can do.

If you’re waiting for “the markets” to save you from this, you’ll be waiting a long time. That is a monetary illusion.

369367 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #128 of 2137 🔗

I am pleased to see that you have discovered the magic money forest. Mr Sunak is going to need it.

369385 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #129 of 2137 🔗

He’s been living in it since last March, along with Winnie-the-Pooh, a Bear of Very Little Brain.

369391 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #130 of 2137 🔗

It will be your children and grandchildren that will be paying it off, not mine as I don’t have any.
I repeat the advice offered to G. Brown “Spend Spend Spend !”

369400 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #131 of 2137 🔗

This is a fallacy that always gives me a chuckle. ‘ The monetary system ‘ isn’t regulated by natural process, “ money ” is a human construct, there are no hard fast rules, economics can be manipulated however unaccountable banks desire.

Human labour does not produce a single penny (technically)! Governments & banks proactively introduce money into the system at will. The monetary system is simply a method of control! Privately run unaccountable NGO’s can do as they please & governments by & large are at their mercy.

369590 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #132 of 2137 🔗

I’m very interested in what you say – can you recommend any books to me which have influenced your thinking and led you to your conclusions?

370908 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JaneHarry, #133 of 2137 🔗

Look up the YouTube videos by Mike Maloney on the source of money.

369555 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #134 of 2137 🔗

Why not mandate a minimum wage of £100/hour then. For a 35 hour week, 52 weeks a year – £182k for everyone. All problems solved!

369571 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #135 of 2137 🔗

Or give every native child £250k trust fund from a sovereign fund

369667 ▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #136 of 2137 🔗

Spot on. Too many people have absolutely no idea how the monetary system works. Far too many have been sold the ‘household finances’ lie

369368 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #137 of 2137 🔗

A friend of my wife’s, a lecturer in Geography at a Russell Group university, recently announced that she’d been granted tenure. Whilst I’m very pleased for her personally, it seems a very bizarre time for universities to be deciding on such open-ended commitments. It’s almost as if they are deliberately inflating their overhead costs in advance of an impending crash, confident that the government will feel compelled to underwrite the eye-watering redundancy costs that will follow….

369382 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #138 of 2137 🔗

It’s no surprise that English Language is taking hit at Leicester University the way johnson and co are mangling it; redefining ‘pandemic’, vaccine’, ‘safe’ among many other words.

369493 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 4, #139 of 2137 🔗

Amongst all the words they are mis-using are all the key terms in the coronavirus narrative. Every single one. Equivocation has been the one constant of the discourse. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html

369505 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #140 of 2137 🔗

Agreed. It’s when I first became a sceptic, back in early May (yes a latecomer to the sceptic ball) when I noticed how the language was changing.

369424 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #141 of 2137 🔗

Well said. The universities for years have also heavily relied on international (non-EU) students for funds. I came here as one and the fees were eye watering made worse that we were not allowed to take out any loans and had to be fully self sufficient.

What I perceived as the low value for money and lack of support from my university led me to resent home students simply partying and getting drunk while spending their student loan money on Topshop shopping spees and Xbox games while EU students were allowed to take out loans with many leaving the country not bothering to pay them back when they finish. And I was helping pay for this shower!

Not only have they seen their foreign students as cash cows but the way they treat students in general is appalling – the lack of pastoral care, bullying and no real teaching. The virus has exposed cruelly that our universities have been weighed on the balances and found wanting.

I can imagine that the universities will be heavily strapped for cash even more as less and less foreign students come and they’re taken to court by irate students and their parents for their behaviour over this crisis.

PS. I’m not letting my fellow foreign students off the hook in my rant as well – many of them I noticed should not have been granted places due to their poor language and critical thinking skills. Not to mention their propensity to hang around amongst themselves and not bother explore what this country has to offer. If they can’t be bothered to do that, why come here at all?

371473 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Steve Hayes, #142 of 2137 🔗

HECK NO

369354 TC, replying to TC, 4, #143 of 2137 🔗

Robert Clancy’s article is a good read.
Promotes looking at HCQ and Ivermectin and doubys on vaccines.

369369 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TC, 13, #144 of 2137 🔗

It is a good article but a challenging read! I think I get the idea. In a way it sort of confirms why I have doubts about flu/cold and coronavirus vaccines but am OK with vaccines for polio and yellow fever. But more than that it does indicate to me that it is the health tyrants and the big business money vaccine promoters whio have ‘blood on their hands’ by pushing the treatment options to one side when increasing evidence is coming forward of the positive role they could and should play in a public health response to SARS-Cov2. They wanted total control big money vaccine solutions and people have suffered because they pigheadedly insisted that was the only solution.

369355 danny, replying to danny, 61, #145 of 2137 🔗

Awful story in the press today about a young man who went to hospital for chest pains. They forced him to take a Covid test and then Ben admitted to the Covid ward anyway. The man was so worried about them catching it, having a young baby at home, he discharged himself, before tragically dying of a heart attack back home in front of his children. And then the “test” came back negative anyway.
I am not somebody who believes in cherry picking stories to push an agenda, as that is exactly what the lockdown fanatics and the media do. Give them facts, they respond with anecdotal stories. But this is just criminal. The NHS is there to heal and protect, and they (plus the media) are entirely responsible for this sad tale. It is just such an avoidable death.

369359 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to danny, 30, #146 of 2137 🔗

The administering of a medical/health procedure without prior informed voluntary consent is unethical. Yet the NHS will not admit patients unless they submit to a Covid test. This is institutionalised systematic violation of the basic ethics of the medical profession.

369386 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #147 of 2137 🔗

Yes any medical procedure should be voluntary & only given with clear informed consent. It should be a criminal act for the NHS to deny medical treatment.

369363 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to danny, 8, #148 of 2137 🔗

The NHS is there to pay it’d employees and for no other reason

369381 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to danny, 7, #149 of 2137 🔗

Hospitals are a major source of infections (its why i am logically phobic of them) testing patients for infectious disease during a respiratory disease season, is a sensible precaution.

The people to blame for this tragic case are the domestic terrorists in government using phycology to create hysteria.

369437 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #150 of 2137 🔗

LOL ‘phycology’ no nothing to do with algae, Psychology*

369467 ▶▶ Basics, replying to danny, 14, #151 of 2137 🔗

A friend of mine was shown the door by an NHS hospital for refusing the covid test – he was having an asthma attack, they had him on a nebuliser at the time.

He did not want to become another stat used by the government to lockdown his region and cause job losses, so refused several repeated requests to be tested.

He recovered at home.

369508 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 11, #152 of 2137 🔗

This violation of medical ethics would in previous times have resulted in disciplinary action. Ethics have been abandoned. When this has happened in the past, it has had terrible results.

369661 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #153 of 2137 🔗

Good piece from NHS doctor on this.

https://thecritic.co.uk/boiling-the-bioethical-frog/

369544 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 9, #154 of 2137 🔗

The Hippocratic Oath and compassion has gone out of the window.

Hippocrates is now rolling in his grave.

369850 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #155 of 2137 🔗

It is now the Hypocrite Oath

369361 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 47, #156 of 2137 🔗

“Yet this hasn’t stopped people twisting his views, calling them “abhorrent” and comparing him to a eugenicist.”

Lord Sumption’s mistakes was to engage with his interlocutor using ‘Logos’, which is what you would expect from a Judge and a rational individual.

That’s not how identity politics works, which uses ‘Pathos’, and any ‘ethos’ it has is entirely scaled to how good their ‘pathos’ is.

What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.

Remember they don’t think. They feel.

It’s all about the fee-fees, and we now make policy based on those.

369379 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lucan Grey, 22, #157 of 2137 🔗

Difficult for a learned, intelligent, rational human being.

369388 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Lucan Grey, 31, #158 of 2137 🔗

Good morning Lucan,

You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s about the emotional, not rational argument.

Literally last night, I retweeted Dr Clare Craig’s very important question about the origin of lockdown (as it seems according to the notes of meetings that Sage didn’t ever recommend them). I think that’s a pretty bloody big question that needs asking.

Minutes afterwards I received my first twitter message from a Dad I like and know quite well via our boy’s football exploits over the years – to my knowledge we are both on the left politically and remainers. He asked me to see what “my anti-lockdown pals” think of Dr Rachel Clarke’s latest tweet and also how the latest deaths she refers to don’t include Christmas mixing.

I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me. He has in the past retweeted Morgan, Sridhar and Monbiot – all 3 people I couldn’t fundamentally disagree with more, but I would never ever dream of having a go at him about it – on the basis that he’s fully entitled to his opinion as I am mine.

I composed a strong coherent reply this morning (probably better than firing off a missive when angry) and I have proposed that we unfollow each other on the basis that I wouldn’t want my heretical views to clog up his timeline. I’m sure he could have just muted me but obviously felt compelled to tell me why I was wrong.

I’m very happy to discuss and disagree on the basis of logic, reason and facts but I simply refuse to engage with hysterics and emotion, maybe that’s where I’m going wrong.

369394 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SimonCook, 27, #159 of 2137 🔗

It’s a cult, you are wasting your time

369407 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Cecil B, 16, #160 of 2137 🔗

Cult is exactly it Cecil, no other way to put it.

It was the passive-aggressive nature of it got to me the most – very unseemly. As I say, I would never have done the same to him, as I believe in the right of others to hold views that I disagree with.

369611 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to SimonCook, 10, #161 of 2137 🔗

it’s a shock to us all, probably until recently we had only heard of deranged cult members but didn’t think we had ever met any, they belonged to some other world far away from us, but now we find that we are living in one, and its most deranged proponents include people we trusted, loved, respected

369703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #162 of 2137 🔗

Thank you Jane and yes your last line sums it up perfectly.

369873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to SimonCook, 2, #163 of 2137 🔗

It’s still important to get your well considered view out there. Even if you don’t make inroads with the friend, others might read and be influenced by your message.
It’s always a mistake to let the bullies get the last word in. We are also pissed off at the misinformation the Lockdowners are spreading.

370356 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to SimonCook, 14, #164 of 2137 🔗

I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me.”

I’ve been reading here and on other lockdown critical forums (ie Reddit) since March and generally just lurk. Something that is very special about the community here — and you don’t see anywhere else — is that people are able to talk about normal human experiences like the pain of these passive aggressive interactions. You might not realize it, but internet culture has made people deny themselves basic human feelings. They believe it is not “logical” to be hurt, hence they tell themselves they are not hurt at all and pretend to laugh things off, to dismiss it with snark, to bully back… just nasty stuff.

I’m convinced that this mindset gives us masks and lockdowns. Because people completely out of touch with their humanity and their social needs think that you can go around willy-nilly being rude or being isolated without it mattering. “I am LOGIC, I ain’t no fee-fee!” These idiots’ idea of a rational being is to completely lose touch with reality.

So what I’m saying is that when commenters here can talk normally about normal reactions, it’s just a fresh of breath air that I gulp in like I’d been underwater for days. What an abysmal state of affairs if a bit of simple reflection of experience is a rare thing!

Just felt like expressing some gratitude to the community here 🙂

370602 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to janejakobs, 4, #165 of 2137 🔗

I’m glad it helped Jane and pleased to make your acquaintance (albeit virtually).

What made it worse, is that I retweeted the message from Dr Clare Craig at about 9.30pm, wanted an early night, but went to check on the Fulham/United final score at 9.45pm on my phone. That was a fatal mistake, as I spotted the twitter message and then didn’t actually get to sleep till around midnight.

You live and learn as they say.

Best regards

Simon

370300 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #166 of 2137 🔗

What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.”

The problem with that line of argument is that your opponent has dragged you down to their level with “feelz” and then they will beat you with experience.

Or to put it another way never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

369374 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 7, #167 of 2137 🔗

Maybe our message is too complicated and we need to start using some simple facts. My first suggestion is:

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 May 2020:      39401

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 January:         8,179 (or about 6,700 after accounting for reporting delays due to bank holidays)

369377 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Laurence, 7, #168 of 2137 🔗

LOCKDOWN’s don’t work, Simple’s.

Short & sweet enough? Contains the same amount of science as the zero covid zealots assertions.

369393 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #169 of 2137 🔗

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please

369460 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #170 of 2137 🔗

Ou est le Flu?

Simple. Deep. & French.

369514 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, #171 of 2137 🔗

Reclassified?

369512 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Laurence, 8, #172 of 2137 🔗

Simple facts:

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.

Do you think that is simple enough?

369375 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #173 of 2137 🔗

Snowdon Quillette Response ” – Ivor Cummins gives Christopher Snowdon’s recent pro-lockdown piece a full Fisking

Snowdon owned by Cummins, this was one of the funniest lockdown zealot demolitions Ive read. Cummins at his best (or at least the best ive seen).

On a serious note I look forward to see Ivor explain empirically what’s happened with the spike in deaths in January, it does seem to contradict Yeadon et-al’s 2nd wave assertions.

Don’t read this wrong, i don’t believe in waves or the official narrative either, but Jans stats need a science based explanation, when the data comes in.

369376 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #174 of 2137 🔗

If you look at the excess deaths in December / January per the ONS figures, there is no spike. The 8 Jan figure reflects under-reporting in the previous 2 weeks of around 4,000 deaths.

369384 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #175 of 2137 🔗

this winter looks like a normal seasonal virus pattern – ‘excess’ deaths are within reasonable limits considering the NHS was essentially closed for a lot of the year

369396 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #176 of 2137 🔗

Maybe I’m doing something stupid, but I’m getting nowhere with that link.

369421 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #177 of 2137 🔗

Help!

369430 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, #178 of 2137 🔗

Its above in lockdownsceptics media roundup, i was just quoting.

369433 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, #179 of 2137 🔗

Its a pdf link your OS may be the issue

369732 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, #180 of 2137 🔗

OK thanks – I couldn’t link in the media roundup either. But if other people are having no problems the fault must be at my end. I’m looking forward to reading it!

370014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #181 of 2137 🔗

Got to it now – good on him.

369622 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #182 of 2137 🔗

I think when we get the all cause death numbers this will show the true picture. They only quote covid deaths not all deaths. And they should not be surprised if deaths increase for non covid issues as you have stopped treatment for anyone who does not have covid. Lockdown causes death this is provable and totally ignored. I am afraid this is all politics. Its the nhs with a once in a lifetime chance to get increased funding. Who cares about the increasing suicides, the cancer patients, my mate waiting for a heart operation since last November who is now having to go private as its been put back again, all the missed mammograms, the missed appointments. All so the nhs can get their fucking grubby hands on a bit more cash.

369842 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, #183 of 2137 🔗

Data is PCR noise and lockdowns kill. So what exactly is your baseline? We’re through the looking glass now. We’ve invented a new language

369378 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 16, #184 of 2137 🔗

Vaccine discrimination? Well who’d have thought it? It’s only what various members of the public have been predicting for months, but now the Daily Telegraph has woken up to it, it becomes official. The truth is, this was planned from the beginning.

According to Unherd in November, vaccine refusal in the UK was running at 21%. In the US it was 36% and in France 46%. Expect these figures to reduce as people cave in; nevertheless, a significant minority of refusers remains our best hope of deflecting the government’s plans.

https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-is-france-full-of-anti-vaxxers/

369403 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bugle, 8, #185 of 2137 🔗

How will they know you are vaccinated? By your digital/health passport.By Sunak pronouncements this week we can see furlough morphing into some sort of UBI.
We only need the digital currency and the takeover is complete.This will be instituted in the wake of the coming economic crash.
We will have a small window of opportunity when the weather breaks and before a critical mass of people have been ‘vaccinated’

369413 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #186 of 2137 🔗

A window to do what?

370506 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stewart, 2, #187 of 2137 🔗

To stop this before it becomes too late.

369380 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 11, #188 of 2137 🔗

Morning All – LATEST PODCAST IS LIVE.

  • We talk NHS Failings.
  • Villains and heroes of the last few months.
  • Preliminary vaccine rollout thoughts.
  • The media
  • Plus much more!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7398646-ep-16-the-madness-of-crowds

370349 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #189 of 2137 🔗

Another cracking episode. The songs are great too specially the punk one. Nice guitar tone too.

369383 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 73, #190 of 2137 🔗

Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.’

Good luck with this. We all know that the vaccine is not being offered to all age groups at the same time, with younger adults at the back of the queue. I’m not quite sure that young people, who have already had their lives and futures utterly trashed at the altar of the NHS to extend (not save) the lives of the elderly by a few months/years, will be very happy if they are still restricted from living a normal life and enjoying the rites of passage that young people do, while elderly boomers are jetting off to Spain and Portugal for their yearly tan.

And anyway, discrimination on the basis of medical choices and conditions is illegal. It really is as simple as that. I know I keep saying it on here but this is what scares me the most out of this whole farce. It really is terrifying that other people think they can judge my personal medical choices and take away my fundamental rights based on those deeply personal choices, and that their ‘right’ not to be infected with a mild disease trumps my own right of sovereignty over my own body.

369405 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Poppy, 23, #191 of 2137 🔗

I agree with you and I am very pessimistic about things.

But I do think that the idea that they will be able to force a medical intervention on us is being grossly overstated.

Discrimination of that sort is a big big step.

If it happens, I think we can call it the end of western civilisation right there. No exaggeration.

369419 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stewart, 36, #192 of 2137 🔗

They forced masks on us.they forced us to stay in our homes.It is not a great leap.First you gain a critical mass of the population.Then you take one of 2 actions.Attack the refuseniks,blame them for for the fact that freedoms haven’t been restored or reward those who have had the jab.Both actions will slowly turn the screw and you will be left with a small remnant who can be transferred to the quarantine camps as they are a danger to public health.
These are not predictions just thinking out loud.

369574 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to stewart, 11, #193 of 2137 🔗

They managed it in the dog world and there has never been a law passed that vaccines in dogs in the UK are mandatory. However if your dog does not get vaccinated every year and show the proof, your dog is prevented from every public event, like dog shows, cannot stay in kennels, has to forgo dog training classes, dog walkers won’t and can’t take them. Councils give these companies organisations licences and that is part of the conditions, all dogs and cats must be up to date with relevant vaccines.

What sticks in my throat with the push for humans to get a vaccine that’s not a vaccine in any way I understand vaccines is the administering to the elderly and the vulnerable at all, as this is the biggest reason dog owners are guilt tripped into vaccinating their dogs every year, it’s to protect the dogs that can’t have the vaccine because they are vulnerable and old. The governments around the world have started a vaccination program on the very same groups in humans that would NOT be vaccinated at all in dogs. The vaccines for dogs have been around for a lot longer than the vaccines made in 2020.

Discrimination in the dog owning world is encouraged by all these businesses and in particular the vets, the brainwashing and propaganda that exists within the veterinary profession is staggering.

You don’t need a government to introduce a law, just give the councils more powers, terrify the public with horrific posters of dying covid patients and job done and vaccines are not compulsory but yet they are.

369601 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Just about sane, 4, #194 of 2137 🔗

That is incorrect about dogs. In the UK vaccines are not required to get insurance or to go to dog shows. Some kennels and dog walkers, training classes require vaccines but not all. The requirement for annual vaccinations, with the exception of lepto, is no longer an annual requirement, 3 year vaccines is detailed by the vaccine companies. Vets will say annually but if owners do their homework they will find it is not the case. Annual vaccinations are for profit not for the health of the animals. Titre level testing to check animals immunity is far more preferable than vaccination.

369782 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #195 of 2137 🔗

It depends on councils. One may accept titres and another doesn’t. All of the kennels in my area require vaccines, as do the dog walkers and the training classes. Or at least pre covid. You are fortunate in your area if there is training classes that don’t require proof of vaccines.
I haven’t found one in my area that didn’t require them and my dogs are vaccinated and have been titred and proven to have antibodies but that doesn’t count in my area unfortunately.

370446 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #196 of 2137 🔗

Yes, you’re absolutely right. I have my dogs vaccinated when they are puppies but don’t do it beyond the first booster, because it isn’t necessary. I have never put my dogs in kennels but advice came out about 4 years ago that titre testing would suffice.
Vets have been concerned for years about over-vaccination, hence open letter to RCVS about 16 years ago to reduce the vaccines. of course most vets hated that because 40% of their revenue is from vaccines. In the US they are more questioning and the drugs that were licenced yearly were licenced 3 yearly as stated above. People get bullied into annual vaccines.

369895 ▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Just about sane, 10, #197 of 2137 🔗

Speaking as a veterinarian – I totally agree with you. Even with the release of vaccines that are valid for 3+ years, airlines and kennels have steadfastly refused to change their “thou shalt have an annual vaccine” garbage. For our patients we try and limit vaccination as much as possible as we see side effects on a regular basis.

This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.

369999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Liewe, 2, #198 of 2137 🔗

This is my worry also “This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.”

There has been a campaign with some to make it mandatory in the dog world for some time, fortunately these people seem to be in the minority but with humans it’s different as it involves all of us, not just dog owners. If the people I know are anything to go by, who are mainly not scared of this virus but they go along with what is happening without argument and if this lot say OK I’ll have the vaccine to keep my job, go on holiday or get into a restaurant we have lost.

371477 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Just about sane, #199 of 2137 🔗

Most of the shots for dogs are to prevent really awful diseases like rabies and distemper. Rabies is a once every 3 years shot. Our vet said once every 3 years is good enough for the other shots as well.

369412 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Poppy, 12, #200 of 2137 🔗

I’m not sure about vaccine passports

either the vaccine works and its not necessary or it doesn’t work very well – even the vaccinated have to carry on locking down etc – which is the way it seems to be going

I think by the time the vulnerable have been vaccinated we will have data about efficacy and side effects and I suspect the government will pivot to it being an injection just for the vulnerable – like flu

369470 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to steve_w, 3, #201 of 2137 🔗

They will want to announce a victory this year so that they can take all the credit and Hancock can get knighted.

369569 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to muzzle, 24, #202 of 2137 🔗

He may well be knighted, but is there any right-thinking person in this country who really believes that the honours system is anything other than completely discredited.

One thing I have found in the past year is that everything I believed in has been totally turned on its head. I have absolutely no faith in any of our institutions right now and never will. The scales have well and truly fallen from my eyes. I hope that some sort of alternative society will evolve because the one we have is well and truly broken.

370503 ▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to kh1485, #203 of 2137 🔗

My feelings exactly

371086 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to kh1485, #204 of 2137 🔗

Sir jimmy savile.
Enough said.

369720 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to muzzle, 7, #205 of 2137 🔗

There are many dreaming of a future where there is a sword in close proximity to Hancock’s neck.

369442 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Poppy, 25, #206 of 2137 🔗

There is no way this government could organise a nationwide register of who has been vaccinated and who has not. It is simply beyond their capabilities. I’d bet they’d struggle to provide an accurate list of who has so far been offered it let alone who has had one or two doses and of what vaccine. There will even be instances of it not recorded correctly on an individual’s medical record, let alone joining all of that data up.

369465 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to WasSteph, 6, #207 of 2137 🔗

I completely agree. No idea who has had it. They’d need to have been organised properly from the start.

369472 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to WasSteph, 16, #208 of 2137 🔗

I agree practically it would be incredibly difficult, but for me it is a matter of principle. The fact that the government and MSM are making noises of mandation, even if it’s logistically impossible, is unethical and wrong.

369497 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Poppy, 8, #209 of 2137 🔗

And illegal.

369559 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to WasSteph, 14, #210 of 2137 🔗

I’m hoping to be marked as vaccinated after not turning up to the appointment like the people who were given positive tests after not turning up for their tests!

369575 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to rose, 4, #211 of 2137 🔗

I was wondering that – is it better just not to turn up and say lockdown has gone on so long you’ve lost track of time (true) or just to decline which puts you on another list somewhere?

370308 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to jos, 6, #212 of 2137 🔗

I’m just going to keep not turning up. Actually I don’t know why they think I still exist as I never turn up to any of their invites and haven’t been to see a doctor for more than 20 years. Unless to admit that I might not exist will mean that they won’t get the £1000/year or however much it is that they get for a person on their books

369477 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 20, #213 of 2137 🔗

Well my wife is in her early 40s and works for a local council and they are pressuring them to have the vaccine and soon it will probably be a requisite for her to keep her job. This has already put a huge strain on our family as her entire extended family are hard core pro vaccine, Covid zealots and some think (including my MIL ) that I should maybe be hospitalized for being so anti lockdown basically a covid denier witch person. I said o her that she should take i as then at least one of us will be able to go on holiday with my daughter going forward. Because lets not kid ourselves, this is where this whole thing is going. We are going to be second class citizens, apartheid is going to look like a bright future we want as we are not allowed entry into sports events, cinemas, museums, trains, planes…It’s coming and if they need to they will change the law, nothing matters but ZERo Covid policy.

369545 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #214 of 2137 🔗

If the ‘vaccines’ turn out to have terrible side-effects (like the ones for H1N1) won’t they have to pull the plug on this? Could this be why they have started saying only one jab not two will be enough- not due to a shortage but a fear of the consequences seeing what’s happening in other countries.?

369781 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jos, 6, #215 of 2137 🔗

You allude to an important point. Those having the vaccine now might feel as if they’ve been ‘saved’, and as the jabs progress among the wider not-at-risk-from-covid population doubtless many will feel smugly virtuous.

Also, the type of under-70 who has the jab is more likely to be the ‘worrying’ type, rather than the sort of person who makes rational evidence-based assessments.

But it has to be odds on that some horrible side effects will become apparent, although they will probably take months and more likely years to do so.

Take narcolepsy, for example, as with the previous jab. Supposed it becomes apparent that one or more of the covid jabs causes this crippling disease, even only in small numbers. Every time one of those virtue-signallers feels a bit drowsey they’ll be worried they are coming down with it. Same with ADE – every time they get a cold they’ll be worried to death that the cytokine storm is going to kick in. And because they are the worrying type, they won’t think about it rationally, they will just dwell on it and let it fester. For years and years, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

370587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 2, #216 of 2137 🔗

I think ADE is the ticking timebomb but of course much harder to prove than the short term effects coming to light right now.

370460 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jos, #217 of 2137 🔗

Personally I think this is going to happen, although it’s a double-edged sword. It is terrible that innocent people are going to be harmed, but it does need to stop. What they will do when the vaccine isn’t the silver bullet – who knows?

370584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, 2, #218 of 2137 🔗

They could save face by using saline!

369764 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #219 of 2137 🔗

Agree to the vaccine on production of a signed liability letter (hint – they won’t)

https://freedomtaker.com/

369534 ▶▶ jos, replying to Poppy, 12, #220 of 2137 🔗

What makes it worse, as many people have said before, is the fact that the jab is not a vaccine and is actually experimental gene therapy – if it was a ‘normal’ vaccine which has been properly tested with far fewer side effects than the illness itself, we wouldn’t have to be coerced- doesn’t the coercion suggest we are right to be concerned?

370053 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Poppy, 7, #221 of 2137 🔗

All you young people need to resist this. Much older than you, I am also refusing the GenTech, so I will not be jetting off anywhere (including back to UK).

369389 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #222 of 2137 🔗

‘It is a surprising statistic but over 11 million people in the UK have a criminal record. A third of men and nine per cent of women will have been convicted of an offence by the age of 53′

The Stasi have accidently deleted 400,000 of these records

I suspect the 400,000 is the tip of the iceberg and the number of deleted files is much larger

By my calculation that is one in 27 of records deleted

There is a 50,000 case backlog in the Crown Courts that will never be cleared

All the magistrates courts round here are closed because of covid

I wouldn’t be too worried about getting a covid fine

369426 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cecil B, 8, #223 of 2137 🔗

That many! I’d never realised it was that big. Well that gives me grounds to shout all the more loudly if they ever do have a go at me with a Lockdown penalty of “You’re doing this to a person with a totally clear criminal record/never done a thing wrong in my life (at nearly 70) – so you’re obviously getting the wrong person. Go after criminals matey – not me!”

370458 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to ElizaP, #224 of 2137 🔗

Something like three-quarters of working-class men under the age of thirty, apparently. Mercifully the vast majority of them seem to leave it behind as they get older.

369491 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 9, #225 of 2137 🔗

The other day in the roundup it was said that S.(?) Australia police had stopped prosecuting under lockdown laws and were instead ‘just issuing cautions’.
Do not under any circumstances accept such a caution. It is an admission of your guilt and becomes your criminal record.

The police love them because it goes toward their target for ‘sanctioned conviction’ ( or somesuch). They have identified a crime, identified the offender who has been successfully penalised.

369556 ▶▶ jos, replying to Cecil B, 2, #226 of 2137 🔗

Not accidental

369835 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 4, #227 of 2137 🔗

Data is never deleted. Unless it was all on a single server which exploded. They are lying to you.

369390 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 22, #228 of 2137 🔗

re- the article ATL on universities: they are one area which actually could really benefit from a ‘great reset’ – ie, let’s just bulldoze them all to the ground and see what, if anything, arises anew. in fact, the whole of the education sector, from nursery upwrds, and the whole of the legacy media, the parliament and the government, and last but not least, the bloody NHS – all these things are so corrupt and rotten to the core that they have become nothing but a cancer on society, and all have been instrumental in bringing us to where we are today

369410 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JaneHarry, 17, #229 of 2137 🔗

Fully agree. Have quackademic professors (professing their anti-white cultural Marxism) in the family, with Phds (pretty happy dudes with the bullshit piled on high and deep). Never worked. Never sweated. Wouldn’t know which end of a broom to use. Indoctrination is their game. Too many Unis, too many useless degrees, too many useless quacks teaching, too much public funding, too much private debt. The whole edifice needs to be burnt. Daycare and brainwashing for young adults is what it looks like to me.

369567 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to FerdIII, -16, #230 of 2137 🔗

Who’s paying you to write this crap? Clearly no university would let you in and it’s sour grapes.

370608 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to FerdIII, 2, #231 of 2137 🔗

Completely agree. A young relative of mine went off to a Russell Group uni a fairly politically balanced omnivore and graduated as a full on tofu munching, open toed sandal wearing, Guardian reader and politically far-left.

That’s the level of indoctrination that you get.

369445 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #232 of 2137 🔗

For a start let’s the defund the following universities: Imperial, UCL, Soas then move on to the rest.

369561 ▶▶ jos, replying to JaneHarry, -8, #233 of 2137 🔗

Oh so it’s the teachers you’re blaming? This is what happens in every totalitarian state because the one thing they want to destroy is independent thought, isn’t it?

369633 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jos, 7, #234 of 2137 🔗

Well that’s two things that do not go together in modern universities, university teachers and independent free thought. Oh look a right wing viewpoint burn them!

370513 ▶▶ zubin, replying to JaneHarry, -1, #235 of 2137 🔗

Totally agree

369397 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 52, #236 of 2137 🔗

I’ll get over the fact I can’t ever go on a Saga coach trip for the rest of my life. Eventually. Time is a great healer.

369411 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #237 of 2137 🔗

I believe Acceptance is the final stage of grief.

369422 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #238 of 2137 🔗

They also offer insurance. I wonder if they will be discriminating against customers there also.

369425 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 11, #239 of 2137 🔗

It’s blatantly illegal and I can’t wait for someone to test it out / be weighed in with a very large compensation payment.

369451 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #240 of 2137 🔗

Can you imagine the adverts when this is all over?

Have you been discriminated and harassed because you couldn’t wear a mask?

Were you forced to take a vaccine and suffered side effects as a result?

etc, etc….

The lawyers will be circling around companies like vultures because you can bet that we will be hearing loads of cases like this as the narrative starts to crumble.

369498 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #241 of 2137 🔗

Nevermind the claims for those who had to wear masks all day and suffered side effects. Risk assessments would clearly show that it was more deterimental to wear the masks than of the risk of catching a respiratory disease.

369549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 7, #242 of 2137 🔗

That too. Here’s hoping companies have deep pockets because of the amount of compensation they will have to pay for all these.

Hence too why employees should start claiming exemptions.

369448 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 9, #243 of 2137 🔗

Won’t be surprised if they’re getting people cancelling because of the announcement.

369536 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #244 of 2137 🔗

And this.

369466 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #245 of 2137 🔗

I hadn’t planned on going either but if they are descriminating I think I will send a letter to them.

369659 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #246 of 2137 🔗

I am in the Saga age group but why the fuck would I ever go on holiday with them? A load of old winging Karen’s reporting me for removing my mask to sunbathe. And a load of wrinkled old fat blokes in speedos wearing socks and sandals. I just wonder what they think the jab is giving them? You can still catch and pass on covid. So you might not die but you can still be a spreader. Anyone know what the male equivalent of a “Karen” should be? A Norman??

369696 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, #247 of 2137 🔗

Someone on Twitter months ago suggested “Kevin” as “Karen”‘s counterpart.

370357 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #248 of 2137 🔗

Mmmm I like it, and can see it on their Ford Capri windscreen

370520 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #249 of 2137 🔗

Dolores Cahill starting up freedom air – flying without vax, mask, test etc

369406 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 14, #250 of 2137 🔗

From the England NHS website – as it has always been:

COVID-19 daily announced deaths
The daily announced files below are available daily from 2 April 2020 and contains information on the deaths announced that day of patients who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19 or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate.

So a completely arbitrary attribution with no strict set of requirements. And you wonder why “Covid” deaths can be so large?

Because it was always engineered to be this way.

370359 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 1, #251 of 2137 🔗

These figures are as accurate as the 96% effective for the vaccine

369416 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 83, #252 of 2137 🔗

I feel we have lost the current battle We are in a lockdown until March/April/Summer

I feel different now. My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage – can be taken away at any time by an over-zealous health sector

If they opened up everything now I’d still feel despondent because I still wouldn’t be free – it would feel temporary until the next ‘crisis’

The only way we can get back to normal is to admit – as a society – lockdown was a tragic mistake, punish the perpetrators and say it will never happen again. I feel we are a long way from that

369427 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 21, #253 of 2137 🔗

My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage

You have awoken to reality, commiserations.

369447 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to steve_w, 23, #254 of 2137 🔗

Another way to look at this is to notice how many ordinary activities people are doing despite lockdown.Whilst so many things have been done which are destructive – deliberately – to small businesses in particular, the government control of ordinary folk is limited, and we see again and again that people are not complying.

We do need to see justice – we do need to see more than a public enquiry. We need to see SAGE disbanded, and we need to see a restoration of all freedoms. But in the meantime, just keep an eye on the ordinary people – applying the rules as and when it suits them.

369678 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to this is my username, 9, #255 of 2137 🔗

Totally agree, I have to walk my dog round Southend-on-Sea as my park is a flooded muddy mess and Southend-on-Sea is all paved. The roads are busy and the seafront packed. One or two mask wearing zealots, but mostly very old folk who I can understand. We live the life we are allowed. If they actually did allow us to “let it rip” this would be all over in a week and you would see how insignificant the numbers of lockdown zealots there were.

370832 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #256 of 2137 🔗

Its great going about saying fuck it, but you still can’t go to the pub, have a meal out, see a film, go to a gig , theatre etc, So the world diminishes due to the diktat of the maniacs.

369418 Julian, 10, #257 of 2137 🔗

Good to see a piece above the line about universities

Unlike schools, they never really reopened in any meaningful sense

The govt got a free pass on that, as on so much

369423 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 17, #258 of 2137 🔗

With regards to the Saga saga, this is from the BBC article on the subject
”British-registered ship the Diamond Princess, owned by the company Carnival, was quarantined for nearly a month in February in the Port of Yokohama in Japan.
More than 700 of its 3,711 passengers and crew were infected, and 14 died. “
The language used in the last sentence is revealing. “More than 700” instead of 20% of the total complement of whom 0.5% died, with no reference to the ages or comorbidities of those infected or deaths. This is an IFR of 0.5%.

369450 ▶▶ stewart, replying to p02099003, 5, #259 of 2137 🔗

2% IFR surely?

But under 0.4% of the population.

369456 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to stewart, 2, #260 of 2137 🔗

You’re correct, ☹️

369462 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to stewart, 5, #261 of 2137 🔗

What is needed is the demographics of those on board.
Applying the Feynman approach:
It would be interesting to see what predictions the Ferguson model makes using the data from the Diamond Princess.

369510 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 3, #262 of 2137 🔗

Yes but it highlights a fallacy in IFR when thinking about populations. The Exposure Fatality Rate is what we are talking about when we talk about the flu as the whole population is typically exposed. Even though it is called IFR because 60% of people develop it per season. So the fatality rate is related to those who catch it.

The Diamond Princess was a demonstration in saturation effects, something that often takes months to a year. It is an accelerated life test.

Another example is the supposed efficacy of the recent vaccines were relatively vaccinated groups faired better but the problem was the noise floor for this group was already within false positive rates for the tests they used.

369458 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 9, #263 of 2137 🔗

All the coronavirus experts knew this was a floating experimental study. It’s incredible how accurately they called it. Meanwhile, everyone called them deluded, or worse.

369822 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #264 of 2137 🔗

I’m a nobody with a degree that people make fun of and can’t make a decent graph to save her life yet I figured it out back in March. I very accurately predicted the covid death rate for Australia. My figures were off by single digits.

369431 rose, replying to rose, 18, #265 of 2137 🔗

I’ll probably be lynched for this view but in my opinion the risks of being damaged by mammograms (cancer causing radiation, intense pressure leading to squishing tumours and spreading cancer cells, misdiagnosis, leading to more unnecessary invasive pricedures) is more than catching covid19.

369434 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to rose, 6, #266 of 2137 🔗

I’m quite likely to catch covid-19 but I’m more likely to be killed by my toaster

369446 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 9, #267 of 2137 🔗

Beware the fatal toaster. Also the lethal trousers and the deadly bobble hat.

369692 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 5, #268 of 2137 🔗

Oooh I had lethal trousers in the seventies. As Steve Martin said trousers so tight you could tell what religion I was!!

369500 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to steve_w, 2, #269 of 2137 🔗

I’ve come to an agreement with my toaster, provided I don’t bash it if it burns my toast, it promises it won’t kill me.

369440 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to rose, 8, #270 of 2137 🔗

Rose, I agree. Not a procedure I’m ever likely to accept. I think they’re harmful.

369585 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to rose, 3, #271 of 2137 🔗

If it’s available we can all make that judgement. If it’s not available we can’t. I choose to have the 4 X-rays every 4 to 5 years knowing that the radiation itself is not without risk. My choice. I accept your reasons for not having it as completely valid but until recently you had the choice.

369832 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to rose, 8, #272 of 2137 🔗

You are absolutely right. Mammograms cause far too early ‘treatment’ for pre cancers that would never develop in many cases. I have had breast cancer and bitterly regret ALL my treatment. I should have known better having worked in oncology and seen how dreadful and ineffective treatment is. Cancer is no longer an illness – it’s a multi billion pound industry and one of the most lucrative worldwide. I came to my senses and refused chemo and radiotherapy which is why I am still here 5 years later. It is all about money and toxic treatments that maim.

369979 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mutineer, #273 of 2137 🔗

I read sth about how breast cancer detection “too early” has lead to unnecessary treatment, but I do not remember the details. Should look into it again.

370545 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Silke David, 3, #274 of 2137 🔗

Basically, they call it Stage Zero cancer. DCIS often resolves itself or is so slow growing that it will never be a problem. Now they treat it aggressively which is ridiculous. Trials have shown that mammograms do NOT save lives. It allows the NHS and cancer specialists to claim a much higher ‘cure rate’ by adding in stage ZERO cancers. All a total scam. More misery and worry and unnecessary treatment.

370615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mutineer, #275 of 2137 🔗

Useful to know. Thanks!

369436 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #276 of 2137 🔗

You know how many Covid deaths there were in England between 14th Dec 2020 and 20th Jan 2021?

1027

According to the spreadsheets:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Now what this actually is, is reported deaths. As in for example on the 20th the total reported deaths that have come in is 1027.

So a death on say 15th Dec was not reported until now.

369443 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #277 of 2137 🔗

It means that figuring out exactly how many died on what days is very tricky as Nick Rose is frequenty pointing out. Of those 1027 deaths 53 had no positive test but were called Covid anyway.

369444 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 39, #278 of 2137 🔗

Another reminder for those who have missed this in the swarms of comments on here: ‘The New Normal’ documentary which has gained huge traction despite being pulled down at a rate of knots from YouTube and restricted on social media.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-new-normal-documentary_ecuUiUhHpP9INeh.html

  • It’s woken up some of my most ardently lockdown-supporting friends and family
  • Focuses on the timeline of the virus, including events in 2019
  • Exposes the PCR test and the pandemic being hinged on ‘dodgy data’
  • Shines a light on the anti-lockdown movement and police heavy-handedness in the UK and elsewhere
  • Explores the ‘Fourth Industrial Revolution’ plans which are hiding in plain sight and obscured from mainstream consciousness

Please watch if you have time – it is critical viewing, and superbly put together. As I said yesterday it’s almost like something you would see on BBC2.

And please, upvote this comment if you’ve seen it and recommend it, or watch it as a result of this and recommend it, so more Lockdown Sceptics readers see this comment.

369453 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Joseph, 5, #279 of 2137 🔗

Seconded. You won’t see anything like this yet on any mainstream channel. Give it a year or two and they’ll be pumping these out by the bucket load.

370117 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to PoshPanic, #280 of 2137 🔗

Oh, I so hope you are right.

370112 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Joseph, 2, #281 of 2137 🔗

I watched it yesterday. Can also recommend (especially for non-sceptics if you can get them to watch it). I find it very disturbing that it has been removed from mainstream anti-social media: a large section is actually someone speaking at the WEF and warning against the dangers of technocracy.

Personally, did not learn much new, but it is well made.

369449 ConcernedBioscientist, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 5, #282 of 2137 🔗

I heard from a nurse this week that this years mandatory annual refresher CPR training contains a directive to omit mouth-to-mouth resuscitation unless wearing full PPE. This is reasonable because mouth to mouth on someone who is infected with Covid gives a huge viral load to the person administering it.

However, in practice it means delaying CPR for many precious minutes while the responder gets into PPE. This might explain the large fall in heart-attack admissions mentioned in the roundup – and it means a good chunk of those excess deaths (and ICU admissions? I don’t know) might be occurring due to this directive.

That’s not to say I disagree with the directive itself – it is not fair to put medical personnel directly in the line of fire (although hopefully it has been risk assessed and not just imposed according to the precautionary principle).

But it shows how data on excess deaths, pcr-positive-tagged deaths and perhaps even ICU admissions are muddied by this and many other side-effects of how we are dealing with the core problem — but of course they are all conflated into “covid deaths”.

369455 ▶▶ Basics, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 3, #283 of 2137 🔗

Akin to a shit at sea not going to aid a May Day call by saying wait for the Life Boat to arrive they have yellow uniforms.

369699 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #284 of 2137 🔗

Ship

369750 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basics, 3, #285 of 2137 🔗

I thought it worked just as well in the original form 😉

370441 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ewan Duffy, #286 of 2137 🔗

So did I!

369459 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 1, #287 of 2137 🔗

Can a medic on here give us the low down please? How much mouth to mouth was actually used anyway?

369489 ▶▶ dhid, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 4, #288 of 2137 🔗

Wouldn’t medical personnel have access to a bag device, not requiring mouth to mouth?
Is the NHS that crap?

369690 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 2, #289 of 2137 🔗

Mouth to mouth in a hospital environment seems very strange when use of an ambubag/airway would be the normal recommendation.

369988 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, #290 of 2137 🔗

is it about 80% of patients who are revived or receive cpr die anyway?

370448 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Silke David, #291 of 2137 🔗

About 80% of patients who are presented to A&E with an infarct. Casualty peddles fairy-tales about this and many other things

370451 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Silke David, #292 of 2137 🔗

About 80% of patients who are presented to A&E with an infarct. “Casualty” peddles fairy-tales about this and many other things

370443 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 1, #293 of 2137 🔗

Mouth to mouth has been on the backburner for the best part of the last ten years. Largely, in my view, for reasons of squeamishness. If the person lying blue-faced in front of you has regurgitated vomit, you really need to do a thorough finger-sweep stat followed by positive pressure into the airway. It’s what I would have done if necessary if I’d ever been a first-responder to a collapse on the pavement with no ambulance on the scene. All this disappeared from my most recent fair-few CPR refreshers.

370632 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConcernedBioscientist, 1, #294 of 2137 🔗

Last year, and all the years before, was PPE required before giving CPR during the influenza season?

369452 Carmen B, replying to Carmen B, 14, #295 of 2137 🔗

“Except of course every time we’ve locked down – in March, November and January – it can readily be seen from the data that new infections were falling before the restrictions came in. Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance?

Because they’re not interested in evidence. Johnson and his advisors don’t care how many die. If they ever change course, it will be because of imperatives far removed from concern for the wellbeing of the public and their human rights. Just like the state premiers here in Australia.

369530 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Carmen B, 3, #296 of 2137 🔗

Or they know infections were falling?

370639 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, #297 of 2137 🔗

Indubitably.

369454 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #298 of 2137 🔗

On R4 now: “Dog training online”: I kid you not!!
IS IT ANY WONDER THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW LIKE THE SHEEP THAT THEY ARE???

369464 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #299 of 2137 🔗

is this about training a dog? or using a dog to train the sheep . herd immunity?

369538 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, #300 of 2137 🔗

I feel like telling the MSM to flock off.

369539 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mj, 1, #301 of 2137 🔗

It’s about training the nation to behave like trained dogs.

369547 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basics, 3, #302 of 2137 🔗

That’s woof justice!
LS’s have a sense of humour unlike the collaborators.
Got to go now, I’ve got to wash the blood off my hands.

369461 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #303 of 2137 🔗

Was just reading about the test required if you need to re-enter the UK…the minimum requirements are in image. Really interested in how this relates to the acceptability of the current testing we have here, but my maths isn’t quite up to it…

I believe that the specificity is related to the false-positive rate and the sensitivity the false-negative rate? Is it possible to say how many PCR cycles would have to be run to find 100,000 virus copies per ml?

Am I right that they’ve refused to even publish these parameters about our own PCR tests? How would you know if a UK Gov issued test meets these standards?

369487 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #304 of 2137 🔗

I think a Ct of 20 (2^20 is c. 104k starting from 1 single copy.) ? No don’t think they have ever admitted the specificity or sensitivity of the various PCR tests but Hancock eventually coughed up a figure of <1% for the former in a TV interview.

369566 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #305 of 2137 🔗

Is the 100000 per ml the starting point or the finishing point? I.e. is a person considered infected if they have 100000 viral particles in their sample before the test is run? Or is a person infected if there are 100000 particles per ml AFTER the test is run?
I would hope that it is the former.
The number of steps required would depend on when the sample becomes visible due to the fluorescent dye attached to the DNA during the PCR.

Some hypothetical numbers.
Starting with assumption that the PCR runs for 30 cycles as suggested by Dr. Fauci and others.
Assuming that the sample size used is 0.1ml, then there are 10000 viral particles present.
After 30 cycles there will be 10000 * 2^30 strands of DNA that fluoresce. (positive result)

10000 is very approximately 2^13
If the number of cycles is increased to the 40 used currently, then having 8 pieces of RNA in 0.1 ml or 80 in 1 ml will produce a (false) positive result.
If the number of cycles is increased to 45 then a positive result will be seen with less than one particle of RNA per ml.

369674 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to p02099003, 2, #306 of 2137 🔗

Reading it again yes you’re right – they are meaning the load at the start. When all is said and done it’s been as plain as a pikestaff for months that Ct should be ended at a max of 30 (preferably 25) to avoid false positives. When prevalence is low as it was from mid-May (possibly really March) to mid-Nov there is no need to test at all.

369499 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #307 of 2137 🔗

You wouldn’t/couldn’t know.
The required sensitivity allows up to 20% false negatives and the required specificity up to 3% false positives.
As a means to preventing any infection coming into the country it is useless as it depends on people testing negative. If 20 people out of 100 with an infection show negative then they are let through bringing the infection with them. Whereas only 3 people out of 100 without infection are stopped.
These requirements do not do what the government thinks they do.

If instead of SARS-CoV-2 it was, for example, Ebola, this policy would ensure we had an Ebola epidemic.

369463 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 3, #308 of 2137 🔗

My Wife has received the following invitation to attend a (non conspiracy theory) event about the great reset

Email from events @ devex com

Dear XXXX,

We are co-hosting two events I thought might be of interest to you. Below is information on each event and a link for you to register.

Catalyzing a new future: From small islands to great ocean states
Wednesday, Jan. 27, at 7 a.m. ET (1 p.m. CET). Register here.

In a post-COVID-19 world, we know we must capitalize on the opportunity to reset the economic system and build one that incentivizes sustainable and inclusive economic growth with strong private sector participation. Together, we will discuss leveraging the power of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, renewable energy, innovative financing and resilience mechanisms, the ocean economy, smart policy for investment facilitation, and economic diversification to ensure small island developing states can become thriving economies of the future. Register here.

369474 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Andrew K, 2, #309 of 2137 🔗

“In a post Covid 19 world” ? Well that’s encouraging I suppose….

369507 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to bluemoon, 5, #310 of 2137 🔗

Not really – post covid they hope to have the people enslaved. That’s it’s purpose.

369509 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to bluemoon, 5, #311 of 2137 🔗

I think they mean “now that Covid-19 is here to stay….”

369484 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, 5, #312 of 2137 🔗

The Great Reset = Greenwashing 2.0

370428 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Andrew K, 2, #313 of 2137 🔗

Just checked Devex out on the wonderful Interweb. A more blatant CIA front-company would be hard to imagine.

369468 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 26, #314 of 2137 🔗

Looks like Saga Holidays got such a roasting over their no vaccine no travel missive yesterday that they have locked their Twatter account to approved subscribers only.

369475 ▶▶ Marg, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #315 of 2137 🔗

Saga is not just a tour operator, they are also an insurance provider. They can be hit in other ways as well. If I get another spam email from them I will let them know my thoughts

369528 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Marg, 2, #316 of 2137 🔗

I have my annual holiday insurance with Saga. Just waiting to see what day will come up with this year. Trailfinders insurance seems to be the way to go.

369557 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 8, #317 of 2137 🔗

They got hammered so badly that they’ve chickened out. Won’t be surprised if they’re being swarmed with cancellations.

369716 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #318 of 2137 🔗

They can be attacked for race discrimination too. More non-white than white people are reluctant to be vaccinated, and who is to say they are wrong? Normally I would be against playing the race card, but all’s fair in love and war, and this is war.

369993 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #319 of 2137 🔗

I guess all the staff on the cruise ship, and I mean ALL, need to be vaccinated as well?
As these are from 2nd and 3rd world countries, and the West has bought most supplies, will the cruise ship operator organise that?

369469 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 5, #320 of 2137 🔗

Once again, I sit down with my coffee and bring up LS and, once again, it begins with a negative story full of bad news. I will scroll down but I know I’m going to find charts referring to ‘Covid cases’ a completely meaningless statement. I’ll eventually get to something telling me I am ‘woke’ followed by a request for money.I already donate but am wondering whether to continue. Can you please sort out your editorial priorities???

369494 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bungle, 5, #321 of 2137 🔗

Out of genuine interest, Bungle, what positive story of good news would you have given top billing? I sympathise with the craving for good news. However, the sceptic-curious visiting the page surely need to see the perpetual carcrash going on around us of which the first piece seems to be a good illustration. What do you feel the editorial priority should be?

If you are offended by Chaucer being taught at university, then hopefully the woke section will have cheered you up by providing some good news.

369532 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #322 of 2137 🔗

2 days ago, Suchit Bhakdi’s interview was fabulous. ooi you will smile when I tell you I was always asked to read the Canterbury’s Tales at school as my old English was so good. According to my teachers, that is!

369552 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bungle, 2, #323 of 2137 🔗

I will have a look at Prof Bhakdi’s video today – had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder! Listening to him certainly always makes me feel that there is hope. I’m sure your old English was superb!

369721 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Bungle, #324 of 2137 🔗

Er, Chaucer is in middle English. Old English is harder and looks like this: “Nū scylun hergan   hefaenrīcaes Uard,
metudæs maecti   end his mōdgidanc,
uerc Uuldurfadur,   suē hē uundra gihwaes”

370423 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bungle, #325 of 2137 🔗

Qweynte.

369471 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 23, #326 of 2137 🔗

Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.

That is dystopia I can never unsee these things whether or not this comes to pass. This country is an utter disgrace and no longer deserves to call itself democratic and free. I will never trust this government or my fellow people again.

I can never forgive those who have allowed us to get into this position through bloody minded ideology or lazy intellectual stupidity.

369478 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #327 of 2137 🔗

I would call it segregation, something this country has fought against in other countries for many years

370029 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to DanClarke, 1, #328 of 2137 🔗

apartheid!

369473 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #329 of 2137 🔗

Morning. There’s an open gov.uk request for honours nominations related to coronavirus work and I suggest a concerted effort for Toby. I’ll draft something later after work and post for suggestions. My writing skills aren’t brilliant so I’d welcome any feedback. If nothing else this will flag lockdown opposition to the centre of the establishment.

https://www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-for-coronavirus-work

370024 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #330 of 2137 🔗

I was thinking about this topic last night, there is no other organisation or website that so comprehensively brings the topics together.
Save our rights UK, Keep Britain Free, 2 other sites I am subscribed to, are about political reform.
Lockdownsceptics is the only site which – in my experience – is covering politics, medical, statistics, yes, woke stuff, and has a lively, informative debate. As well as a huge number of links.
I am hugely grateful for Toby Young to have put this together and all the people now helping, and all the contributors in the comments.

370671 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TimeIsNow, #331 of 2137 🔗

You should try to include:

  • the nominee’s name
  • any contact details
  • their role
  • a summary of the impact the person has made

You can add additional documents, for example letters of support, as attachments to your email.

369476 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 27, #332 of 2137 🔗

The dominant narrative is that Bojo, the hapless ‘clown’ and his Keystone Cops Cabinet were pushed into lockdown. Pushed by public opinion. Pushed by the ‘experts’. Pushed by the Premier League. Pushed by the ‘Left’. Pushed by Piers Morgan. Pushed by ‘Professor Doom’ Neil Ferguson and his ludicrous ‘modelling’.
But if they had already arranged a £119m lockdown advertising campaign, which referenced emergency economic measures in its communication strategy, it would mean the decision to lockdown had already been taken many weeks earlier. At the same time, the government was giving every impression that they weren’t going to lockdown. RT

369481 ▶▶ PW, replying to DanClarke, 3, #333 of 2137 🔗

A brilliant summary, Dan, wonder when one of our brilliant journos will put that to them???

369482 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 2, #334 of 2137 🔗

Pushed by their own deire to coverup a decade of their maladministration of the NHS.

369503 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to DanClarke, 3, #335 of 2137 🔗

I think the ad campaign being in place, might be a bit of a red herring, in terms of predetermination. It’s likely they could say that the campaign was in place, in preparation for public information. The wording and focus, could have been ( and probably was ) put in at the last minute.

369526 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #336 of 2137 🔗

Who knows. The misinformation appears to be the way of Covid

369535 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DanClarke, 1, #337 of 2137 🔗

Dis information. D eliberate.
Mis information. Mis taken.

369615 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 3, #338 of 2137 🔗

It was outright propaganda, dressed as public information.

369695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #339 of 2137 🔗

Dis info then. You describe it to a tee.

369529 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DanClarke, 2, #340 of 2137 🔗

Most likely months earlier as you don’t do a £119m deal overnight. It stinks.

369479 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 24, #341 of 2137 🔗

There is something very sinister about black masks.

Historically only criminals wore masks!

369492 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #342 of 2137 🔗

I agree. It is the mafia thug look. Many people who ought to know better are wearing black by choice. Surely to intimidate. Put a grey one on and the look is entirely less threatening and sinister.

Black is a statement. Punch here is it’s underlying message.

370155 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Basics, #343 of 2137 🔗

They also don’t show the dirt. The grey ones provided at work soon start to look really grubby. So it probably helps prevent them from realising what a bad idea wearing these things is.

369506 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #344 of 2137 🔗

Could do with a skull and crossbones on it like the Jolly Roger.

369524 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 11, #345 of 2137 🔗

.

371498 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #346 of 2137 🔗

I saw someone with a mask on that said „censored“ on it. Seemed appropriate

369560 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #347 of 2137 🔗

Agree. Especially on men and those wearing casual clothing (hoodies, puffa jackets, jeans or tracksuit bottoms, plus hats). Not to sound snobbish or judgemental but to me it just screams “mugger” or “criminal”

I avoid them like the plague.

370407 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #348 of 2137 🔗

My boyfriend wears a black balaclava as a face covering solely to look sinister!

370680 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #349 of 2137 🔗

The nasty eyes don’t help!

369483 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 33, #350 of 2137 🔗

My six-year-old daughter came into our room this morning and whispered, “I had a dream last night that the teacher came around with yellow tape and taped up our mouths to stop the spread of coronavirus.”

369814 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hughie, 8, #351 of 2137 🔗

My three year old said a while back “Daddy, i can’t wait till the coronavirus isn’t here no more”

I nearly cried. Told her kids don’t get it and it’s nothing to worry about. But these people who say this is all for greater good are so far gone right now I can’t say where this leads. It’s getting darker. The data is clear and it tells a positive story, but the virus is psychological. They’ll never give it up o matter what

369486 Basics, replying to Basics, 18, #352 of 2137 🔗

Don’t believe the tripe. A new poll is out suggesting 75% of all Scottish folk think sturgeon should go if found to have lied to Parliament.

This lying and cover up scandal is why devi was in the pressed blessing the air molecules sturgeon spews out to pollute our atmosphere at tge weekend.

The covid pulpit daily has been tanking as people are fed up with the stench of corruption the woman stands in the middle of.

Covid has been used as a political weapon from first to last by sturgeon. Many brainwashed to believing the woman is doing a wonderful benevolent job. But is she is proved to have lied to parliament – bare faced several times at different public places, demonstratably, provably so – then the brainwashed will not accept her.

Just remains for people to connect one lie to another to another to realise it is a constructed reality we are living in. Entirely false and deceptive.

369501 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Basics, 6, #353 of 2137 🔗

And right there you have a problem: dot connecting. It leads to an ugly big picture and people just don’t want to see it. They’d rather hover in front of Netflix.

369490 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 8, #354 of 2137 🔗

Just a thought, but if ,as Bozo keeps reminding us, we are in a War, then shouldn’t the Zealots be willing to die for the cause?

369516 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to vargas99, 1, #355 of 2137 🔗

A war with their own consciences

369495 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 8, #356 of 2137 🔗

As of yesterday…

369504 ▶▶ Joseph, replying to Joseph, 22, #357 of 2137 🔗

So the WHO has now said that if someone has no symptoms and tests positive, to essentially disregard this and test again with a different type of test – that’s my understanding.

The “asymptomatic” argument is now being wound up.

This means that in 100 days Biden’s “mask mandate” and the UK lockdown can be hailed (along with the vaccine) as having “stopped covid”.

You couldn’t make this shit up. But if it’s coming to an end, then fucking so be it.

369515 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Joseph, 4, #358 of 2137 🔗

This, amongst many other things, was predicted months ago.

369525 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Joseph, 11, #359 of 2137 🔗

Biden can’t enforce masks for the whole US. It’s up to each state to make their own rules. And this guy who is supposedly running the country doesn’t even understand its constitution.

369653 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to alw, 2, #360 of 2137 🔗

He is mandating it for all federal premises.

369537 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Joseph, 10, #361 of 2137 🔗

It isn’t coming to an end. And even if you are right and they say Covid is over, it will only ever be with suffixed with a ‘for now’. My understanding is (and has been since I saw Prince Charles harping on about it in May) that lockdowns will pivot from being used to ‘control’ a virus to being used to control the population in order to ‘save the planet’. I am already seeing confirmation of that with politicians and suchlike beginning to make these noises. The genie is out of the bottle as far as lockdowns and severe government interference are concerned.

369543 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jb12, 6, #362 of 2137 🔗

I agree, they will curtail our lives to save the planet, when we could get rid of one of them and their excesses and let thousands of us live normally. Evil

369635 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to jb12, 4, #363 of 2137 🔗

and if you look at climate sceptic sites you will see that the planet doesnt need saving anyway. The whole CO2 scam is unravelling .

371098 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to jb12, 1, #364 of 2137 🔗

The sooner we get a republic, the better. That sausage fingered freak.

369511 PatrickF, 18, #365 of 2137 🔗

Saga, if you’re going to virtue-signal, do it properly. Act like you’ve got it (as we’ve been told) close your businesses and self-isolate.

369513 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #366 of 2137 🔗

“What I find utterly bewildering is, since when did our freedoms become contingent with the smooth running of the NHS? “

The sad reality is that this is inherent in the existence of a nationalised healthcare system. It’s just that we haven’t previously had our collective noses rubbed in that fact quite so egregiously.

Anybody who has been involved in defending basic liberty against the encroachment of NHS-based paternalism will know that the first resort of any advocate of restricting personal freedom of choice in making risk trade-offs, as any adult should be empowered to do, is the insistence that it is not just your own business, because we all pay for the healthcare costs through the collectivised system that is the NHS.

This has been most obvious in the arguments over smoking and seatbelts. The former case was complicated by the introduction of third party risks due to “passive smoking”, but the seatbelt issue was almost entirely a matter of imposing restrictions on personal choice in order to cut NHS costs. And the smoking restrictions based on “passive smoking” set the scene more directly for arguments that small, “statistical” risks to others can justify state suppression of personal liberty.

Those who accepted these restrictions on basic personal liberty sold the passes that ensured the defeat of any resistance to the coronapanic. It was conceded in 1983 that the state has the right to force you to change your behaviour even just for your own supposed protection, let alone in the more externalised cases of smoking and (notionally) disease spread. The only addition this time was the emergency argument about “overwhelming” the NHS, to give the anti-liberty argument more urgency.

A nationalised collective healthcare system is inherently opposed to personal liberty, by definition.

369522 ▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, 5, #367 of 2137 🔗

Ironically, the wearing of seatbelts probably costs the NHS more as, without them, you’d probably not survive a crash..

369554 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, 1, #368 of 2137 🔗

There are certainly pragmatic arguments against these illiberal measures. Risk compensation in the case of seatbelts, as well as your point, and the questionable practical effectiveness of lockdowns

For me, though, such arguments are irrelevant anyway, in view of the fact that the proposed restrictions should be barred at the outset as illiberal.

370052 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to jos, 1, #369 of 2137 🔗

It also increased injuries to cyclists and pedestrians as determined by the Isles Report.

369587 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #370 of 2137 🔗

A nationalised collective healthcare system is inherently opposed to personal liberty, by definition.”

It has worked up to a point, before this year. It has now been taken to absurd extremes that are not even providing the benefits they purport to.

369623 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #371 of 2137 🔗

It has worked up to a point, before this year.

That’s a different issue, of course.

369517 nickbowes, 2, #372 of 2137 🔗
369518 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 5, #373 of 2137 🔗

I can’t see how cruising will work anyway in the brave new world. Even if compulsorily vaccinated either shore excursions will be banned or heavily restricted. The rules on board will have to match the strictest of the countries visited. You will likely need to be tested over and over again. It hardly sounds like much of a holiday to me.

369729 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dan L, 3, #374 of 2137 🔗

I know we are so pissed off. They are running no stop cruises just staying at sea to test the “safe” measures they have bought in. Test every day, temperature testing stations, masks everywhere, social distanced shows, half empty. No self service buffet, all served, one way system and arrows to follow round the ship, room confined if you test positive. Sounds dreamy. Another thing these fuckers have ruined for me.

369991 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #375 of 2137 🔗

and people have to pay for that??? not much of a holiday!

371034 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Spikedee1, #376 of 2137 🔗

A prison cruise

369521 GeorgeMarcheaux, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, 9, #377 of 2137 🔗

Thanks again Toby for another informative update, keep fighting the good fight!

I do worry that elements of this blog might hinder our cause. For example the ‘Woke Gobbledygook’ section. I am no disciple of the woke left, however I fear that involving this blog in the culture wars is a distraction and will only put off certain lockdown sceptics, such as the free thinking guardian reader!

Lockdowns and preventing them, for the moment, is a far more important issue than various culture war debates. We should unite with anyone who shows a sceptical attitude to lockdowns, whether they subscribe to critical theory or not!

In addition. I follow a reddit page called r/lockdownscepticism. They publish a weekly ‘positivity thread’ which helps keep the mood in there positive. Maybe something to consider?

369558 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, 3, #378 of 2137 🔗

I agree George. We need a laser-like focus on covid-1984, and for that we need all the allies we can get.

With the qualification that there is a symbiosis and an intersection woth the ‘woke aenda’ that one cannot ignore – but yes I would integrate this as it came along, rather than highlighting it.

369582 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, 9, #379 of 2137 🔗

Woke is a variant of the suppression of freedom of speech and thought which has contributed to the coronapanic and its perpetuation

369619 ▶▶ Mark, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, 1, #380 of 2137 🔗

the free thinking guardian reader !”

I didn’t realise your comment was satirical until I reached this bit. Comedy gold! 

369811 ▶▶▶ GeorgeMarcheaux, replying to Mark, 1, #381 of 2137 🔗

i must admit, i wrote that slightly tongue in cheek!

369672 ▶▶ Mark, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, 4, #382 of 2137 🔗

With apologies for the facetious initial response (couldn’t resist, sorry), here’s the serious counter to your point.

It’s debatable whether this coronapanic can or should be addressed in isolation. It arose out of global politics and cultural developments which had their own reflections in the changes in this nation over the past few decades. Imo it’s rather silly to try to understand it outside of that context.But regardless, if there is a case for sites that focus tightly and solely on resistance to the coronapanic to the exclusion of all context, it is clearly not the function of this site, despite the name. This is Toby Young’s personal blog, and he has never been averse to introducing other issues atl, nor has he ever required commenters btl to restrict their discussions in that way.

The argument that it would be tactically advantageous to avoid expressing political opinions that might alienate potential fellow lockdown sceptics with different opinions is a valid one, but imo not sufficient to justify turning the site into such a sterile and narrow one as would result. The “woke gobbledegook” section is a particularly important one, because wokery with all its self-harming, illiberal, anti-free speech ramifications, is particularly important both to our own dire national situation and to Toby Young’s personal stance as founder of the Free Speech Union.

369828 ▶▶▶ GeorgeMarcheaux, replying to Mark, 1, #383 of 2137 🔗

I agree with your sentiment, and I enjoy the section! I just think there are only so many fronts one can fight on. What is true is that ‘woke gobbledegook’ has no traction in the real population, outside of big corp boardrooms, VICE, the guardian and the BBC, despite what the MSM would like you to believe. Its a subversive amalgamation of pseudo intellectualism that collapses under any scrutiny.

369875 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, #384 of 2137 🔗

‘woke gobbledegook’ has no traction in the real population, outside of big corp boardrooms, VICE, the guardian and the BBC, despite what the MSM would like you to believe

That might be true, but most of the items are there precisely because they have been pronounced or imposed by some authority figure somewhere. Having no traction amongst the population gives little protection when dogmas are espoused and imposed by elites.

More widely, I think it’s a matter of perspective.

“Woke gobbledegook” items are merely the extreme ludicrous cases of the ideologies that have been indoctrinated into us over decades. The majority of the population, especially among the chattering classes, simply accept those as unchallengeable dogma, and many even accept some of the still ludicrous extremes (vide BLM marchers).

What “has no traction” now is not what will have no traction after the next few decades of indoctrination have taken effect. Indeed, much of what now passes for received assumptions about reality would have been correctly viewed as ludicrous “woke gobbledegook”-style nonsense without any traction before the indoctrination of the C20th.

369701 ▶▶ mj, replying to GeorgeMarcheaux, #385 of 2137 🔗

agree with others.. it is all linked together . Wokism, climate change, covid are all getting the same treatment from governments and MSM. It is them that conflate them together into ? (think whatever you want to think conspiracy wise) or at least treat any diversion from the accepted path as heresy.
Some people on here do not like non covid items mentioned. Some do. If you dont like it then ignore the post and move on.

369845 ▶▶▶ GeorgeMarcheaux, replying to mj, #386 of 2137 🔗

mj,

Its not that I don’t like the section, I’ve always taken a very strong stance against the institutional wokeism (to bastardise one of their favourite concepts).

My concerns are simply for the main cause!

369523 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 15, #387 of 2137 🔗

I don’t watch live TV as I could no longer stomach paying a licence fee to a body that broadcasts unadulterated state propaganda. However I do watch the odd thing on ITV player or All4 for which you do not need a licence.

Last night I watched the first episode of a new drama called ‘The Bay’. It had all the usual social engineering PC nonsense in it such as a young female working in a scrapyard and gay teenage son with an asian boyfriend etc.

However what really shocked me was that in the top left hand corner notices about ‘stay home’ etc flashed on and off after each advert break. This seemed to be pure 1984 Nanny State and shows that this ghastly government want to treat us like 5 year olds and are not prepared to allow us even an hour’s escapism from this oppression. They also have one of the government’s goon ‘scientists’ lecturing us on one of the adverts. As you can imagine the room was full of expletives from both myself and my partner.

369531 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #388 of 2137 🔗

I noticed that the other day when I turned ITV on.

The Bay is filmed in my hometown

369568 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to CapLlam, #389 of 2137 🔗

I am in shropshire so not too familiar with Lancashire (which apparently is the police force) so I thought maybe it was Morecombe? Initially from the title I thought it must be Cardiff lol.

369598 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Boris Bullshit, #390 of 2137 🔗

it is morecambe .

369675 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #391 of 2137 🔗

It is indeed Morecambe , we have beautiful views of the Lake District but sadly Morecambe it’s self needs regeneration.

369589 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #392 of 2137 🔗

Hey, it’s for your own good. After all, “everybody” now accepts that the things they were systematically propagandised and indoctrinated against through the C20th were thoroughly evil.

Just sit back and absorb the propaganda and in time you will come to accept that this too is for the Greater Good. Funny how that works, eh?

Unless, of course, you are a recidivist Bad Person yourself. A covid denier? An anti-vaxxer? Probably racist, antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic and sexist as well. If so, then just wait. A final solution will be found for your kind in due course.

369741 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #393 of 2137 🔗

Yes in other words I hold views which would have been regarded as entirely mainstream a mere few years ago!

369604 ▶▶ mj, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #394 of 2137 🔗

yes – the TV companies know what is good for us. All the sports still show the kneeling and explain what is for to all us white supremacist racists. Sky sports take it even further .They still show Black Lives Matter logo alongside the score during a live game.
Strange that they provide an option to watch the game with or without the artificial crowd. But not an option to watch without the virtue signalling

369752 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to mj, 4, #395 of 2137 🔗

Ah choice in such matters can never be permitted in case the vast majority choose that option and just want to watch the sport. I had quite a keen interest in football in the 1970s and loved the games with Jack Charlton, George Best etc and still watch them on you tube. Later on I got completely turned off by the ludicrous money and the gradual removal of players from what could be regarded as normal lives. On top of that we now have all the political propaganda and ghastly characters like Gary Lineker. I cannot bear to have anything to do with the modern game at all.

369767 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #396 of 2137 🔗

i remember my first holiday job where a not long retired ex England footballer was a plumbers mate. And you would often see players around in “normal” situations.

369780 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #397 of 2137 🔗

So true the game I loved, a man’s game of rough tough men, hard tackling and no quarter given or expected. Where you could talk freely and enjoy other men’s company with a beer afterwards. Has evolved into a swan diving prima Donna’s non contact sport. Where there is one opinion and you have to follow that line. Any deviation gets you banned and removed forever. Remember Andy Gray? No! he is erased! George Best would not have lasted five minutes he would have been me too’d right away.

369527 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #398 of 2137 🔗

As we all know the Church of England is poor. Poorer than a shoe box in the middle of the road. Can barely keep up the maintenance on it’s biblical sized property portfolio.

Well.

Justin Welby is all over and acroos the great green reset recovery. A mind blowing segment on UK Column revealed the old COE is to stump up £10.1 Trillion, yes T as in tree, to green-out to the max.

Deeply sinister, horribly globalist.

Brian Gerrish at UKC is a practicing Christian and so his words of concern are worth considering.

At about 49-50mins in for 5minutes.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-20th-january-2021

Also to add, Mike Robinson at UKC has been doing amazinng work throughout covid84, presenting, producing, writing, contributing, analysing and so on. Live three days every week much more prep and research to be so well informed. He really has been one of the top counters to the whole scandal.

369602 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 3, #400 of 2137 🔗

The Church of England was a major beneficiary of slavery, receiving substantial compensation when parliament abolished it. Given the dominance of Woke in the Church, when will Welby be making reparations?

369610 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #401 of 2137 🔗

And don’t forget the lands and properties they’ve appropriated from the Catholic Church during the Reformation.

369788 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, #402 of 2137 🔗

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition! What about reparations to the Inca and Mayan populations.

370017 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, #403 of 2137 🔗

That and compulsory tithing – very unpopular in Ireland where they were the Church of Ireland was the minority belief system.

369533 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #404 of 2137 🔗

may have been mentioned earlier, I haven’t looked….

With the new WHO guidelines on a second PCR test for asymptomatic ‘cases’, does this mean that anyone dying within 28 days of a positive PCR test, but no symptoms, can no longer be described as ‘dying with covid’ – unless it had been confirmed with a 2nd test

369541 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 6, #405 of 2137 🔗

I’d be surprised if the guidelines made any difference here. WHO guidelines are ignored unless they’re convenient – not that I believe that there pronouncements should be trusted in any case. Our Government will do and say whatever they want for their own ends, won’t they?

369563 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #406 of 2137 🔗

they use PCR based on WHO directives, if they go against WHO they will need a scientific reason/evidence why WHO is wrong

369595 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 1, #407 of 2137 🔗

The WHO doesn’t have the power to impose health policies on national governments, it can only offer guidance and advice.

369638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #408 of 2137 🔗

you mis-understand – not to justify to the WHO but to justify when questions are eventually asked – have to go far end of a fart in here

369642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #409 of 2137 🔗

at some stage business forced to shut and any effected by ‘cases’ hysteria will likely look for compensation through the courts – gov will not be able to hide behind WHO guidelines

369651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #410 of 2137 🔗

i think the implications of this new guideline is massive – currently you are not accepted back into the UK if you are a well person but have a negative PCR

companies are paying wages to people who are well but had a positive PCR test. People are not at work because they were pinged by the NHS for being next to someone with a single positive PCR test.

369654 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 1, #411 of 2137 🔗

Yes, I did misunderstand. I wasn’t thinking in the longer term. Thanks for clarifying. However, I don’t think our Government expect there to be any sort of reckoning while they are still on the national stage (if ever) and I think they are probably right.

369617 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 2, #412 of 2137 🔗

died within 28 days of a lockdown

369542 jb12, 3, #413 of 2137 🔗

That our enemies think rationally and that they care what you think.

369546 NickR, 5, #414 of 2137 🔗

Cribbed from https://twitter.com/StuartA05729349/status/1350918638400925700 , great chart showing where so many of the deaths came from.
Remarkably covid would appear to be a twin edged sword, saving so many people from one thing only to kill them with another. Strange!

369548 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #415 of 2137 🔗

Flu has been renditioned

I’m told by people in the know that in the summer the flu virus was put on a plane at Prestwick and flown to Guantanamo Bay

It’s now in one of those orange suits being transported on a trolley between water boarding’s

Apparently the flu virus has admitted that it had been hiding in the basement of a house in Saffron Waldon since March. It is still refusing to divulge the identity of it’s accomplices

369641 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 2, #416 of 2137 🔗

Us humans can surely learn a lot from this years paltry flu virus. What a weak and pathetic flu this year. Research fellows across the world must be writing peer reviewing and publishing papers about the extraordinary weakness of influenza in 2020-21. The FeebleFlu (my copyright) may unlock doors to future flu onslaughts.

Anyone seen a paper about FeebleFlu 2020-21?

370044 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, #417 of 2137 🔗

Why Saffron Walden?
Does flu like the coffee there?

369550 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #418 of 2137 🔗

‘The Scientists’ remind me of a cousin who got a job in a lab, testing food, she ended up with eating disorders. These scientists and their vaccine/gene therapy obsession see us as a bio hazard and living virus that needs to be dealt with. One mad woman even said do not hug you children even after the vaccine, they are completely deranged.

369649 ▶▶ Basics, replying to DanClarke, #419 of 2137 🔗

Really interesting psychology in that senario. A scientific mind so committed as to jeopardise the body.

369551 Tuppence Worth, replying to Tuppence Worth, 7, #420 of 2137 🔗

Regarding the attack on Sumption, it seems to me that the attackers are saying something that they perhaps don’t mean.

He describes QALYS in plain words, and his detractors say that he is being callous and unfeeling. What he has just done though, is to describe the rationing system under which the NHS claims to serve our (ill)health needs.

All (ill)health insurance schemes whether publicly or privately run are rationed. A significant difference with the latter though is that if you pay more, you are insured for more cover. It is under your control. The French (ill)health system runs at around 12% of GDP and is demonstrably better than the NHS, which runs at around 9%. The French have a national scheme and can vote for better cover, we can only plead for better cover from the NHS.

Of course, if you pay attention to the quality of your inputs, your outputs will be more sustainable, and/or if you have loads of wonga you can pay as much as you like, in the ONLY non-rationed (ill)health service, your own wallet.

In other words, by criticising his words, they are suggesting that the NHS is not the messiah after all…

369576 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tuppence Worth, #421 of 2137 🔗

Having lived in France, I sort of agree that they in theory, have the best system, or at least a compromise. It struggles in places, mainly because of the insane amount of red tape, though we’re catching up here.

369581 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tuppence Worth, 7, #422 of 2137 🔗

Anyone who says healthcare is not rationed or it is somehow immoral to ration it is either utterly dishonest or a moron

Utopianism gone mad

369630 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tuppence Worth, 6, #423 of 2137 🔗

unfortunate the great ignorant public assume that the NHS finances are bottomless and they treat everybody for everything. Even when the media focusses on some poor soul with a very rare disease who will not be treated because it costs £10000 a month to treat they still dont catch on that someone is making a cost benefit decision somewhere. So if given the argument – we treat this person and it keeps them alive for two years at a cost of £250000 or we use that money to do 200 hip replacements and make live worth living for all these people – they just dont understand.
And this is just extended by the current idea that it is ok for the NHS to stop breast screenings again (and so condemning hundreds of youngish women to cancer and possible death) just to delay the deaths of a few old people with underlying problems.

369553 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #424 of 2137 🔗

Comment in reply to p02099003 from yesterday (I read it 11 hours after it was posted)

p02099003:

This is further evidence that it was around in one form or another months before, and was probably in the U.K. in the autumn of 2019, maybe before.
This would correlate with the patients my colleagues and I were seeing in October 2019 with persistent cough and low grade fever, being worse in people with diabetes and asthma.
When WHO declared a pandemic it became a panicdemic and susceptible people were discharged from hospital back into their care homes. This led to the conditions for an epidemic in this country.

My comment:

Doctors in Cesky Krumlov (CzR) reported patients with ‘unusual’ flu-like symptoms in autumn 2019. Cesky Krumlov is popular stop of point between Prague and Vienna for Asian (incl. Chinese) bus tours of Europe.

369573 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 6, #425 of 2137 🔗

I live in a university town and work in a university city. During September/October there was the the usual influx of overseas students into both of these locations, including from China. These patients started shortly afterwards. I had a persistent cough for 6 weeks, and at one stage something went wrong with my taste, so much so that I was considering going to my GP, but it did resolve. My company arranged an antibody test in April, mine came back negative which is not surprising as it was more than three months since I’d had symptoms.

369726 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, 2, #426 of 2137 🔗

This is a very interesting question, and one day, some how, someone needs to get to the bottom of it. I’m astonished now little attention it has had so far. Aside from understanding the progress of the disease as it has passed through our society (and thus to any modelling), it is also vital to understanding the origin.

369942 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #427 of 2137 🔗

It was obvious that it was more widespread. Their stupid models that were made to scare us into social distancing showed that.

369565 Bart Simpson, 1, #428 of 2137 🔗

More of Andrew Lawrence’s Covid alphabet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7vHLtfmElY

I think this is how we should get our message across.

369570 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 10, #429 of 2137 🔗

“Talking is worse than coughing”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/talking-is-worse-than-coughing-for-spreading-covid-19-indoors/ar-BB1cVWXB?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

The attempts to remove all forms social contact never abate. BT will need to change their slogan if they want to keep up with the deliberate hysteria…

369588 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to J4mes, 5, #430 of 2137 🔗

That’s me done for, I never shut up and I’m loud as well, husband won’t admit losing hearing and my neighbour of 30 years was deaf but could always hear me as ‘I speak clearly’ she claimed. I’m just loud.

370058 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to J4mes, 1, #431 of 2137 🔗

Yes, but so far the virus does not travel down a cable, so BT is fine.

370785 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #432 of 2137 🔗

the virus does not travel down a cable
That’s the next mutation!

369579 Paul, replying to Paul, 66, #433 of 2137 🔗

For the past year my early morning dog walk in the countryside everyday has been a couple of hours escape from the nightmare.
But even that is under threat now as I am encountering muppets more often.The two fucking nutters I saw this morning really wound me up.Out in the countryside,lovely bright,cold but refreshing winter’s morning and there they are muzzled up to the eyeballs in black neoprene,they make me feel sick,why don’t they just fuck off and stay at home if they are that frightened ?,everything else that I enjoy doing has been taken away so I just want to be able to go for a walk and escape the insanity.I told them they needed their heads testing but they didn’t hear me.
I now despise anyone that is going along with all this,I’ve have no sympathy any longer for those that are frightened,they have had long enough to question things and do a bit of their own research,if they can’t see the hell we are sinking into then they are complicit and they will,like the government,never be forgiven.

370952 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Paul, #434 of 2137 🔗

I always shout loudly. Hmmm. ‘ Lovely fresh air !..

369580 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 15, #435 of 2137 🔗

Might try this shortly…

369624 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #436 of 2137 🔗

😂

370798 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Covid Kid, #437 of 2137 🔗

Couldn’t stop laughing for ages after I saw that. Thanks!

369583 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #438 of 2137 🔗

Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.”

Noe what would somebody say who has deep financial roots in the pharmacological industry?

369597 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 10, #439 of 2137 🔗

The man doesn’t even pretend to tell the truth. At least with Whitty you get the sense that he feels guilty about the lies he is telling, Vallance is just completely shameless.

369634 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Will, 7, #440 of 2137 🔗

Guess which one has thousands of shares in a pharmaceutical company?

369586 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 20, #441 of 2137 🔗

A preposterous idea for a new slogan
“Open the NHS. Do your job. Try and save lives”

369592 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hubes, 4, #442 of 2137 🔗

It’s what we used to express as: “keep calm and carry on”, before we made the cultural shift to: “oh my god we’re all going to die run and hide under the bed!” as a national motto.

369625 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mark, #443 of 2137 🔗

I blame those tea towels for the mess we’re in.

369591 RickH, replying to RickH, 27, #444 of 2137 🔗

“… she (Sridhar) said that eliminating the virus should be the goal where possible.”

Anyone coming up with such bonkers, straight-jacket, stuff shoudn’t be anywhere near public health policy.

370813 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #447 of 2137 🔗

how people live in societies and how they make their lives meaningful.

She seems to have got the wrong end of the stick – or she’s downright evil.

369606 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 5, #448 of 2137 🔗

We know it’s impossible and she knows it’s impossible but it keeps the silly twat in a job.

369629 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to stefarm, 10, #449 of 2137 🔗

Extraordinary that nutcases like Devi are running the show. They seem to have the upper hand for the while, unfortunately. But I still think it is all built on sand and can collapse. Keep heart, folks.

369657 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #450 of 2137 🔗

Put her on trial.

369612 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 5, #451 of 2137 🔗

when they’ve got rid of covid they should move onto colds, flu, athletes foot

369594 mj, 3, #452 of 2137 🔗

More BBC propaganda – and an insight into the MSM approach
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rdlc
The Media Show – Reporting the war on coronavirus :The challenge for journalists of reaching the frontline.
People from BBC and other MSM . Quite revealing when you listen – common agenda?
Also it managed to get a dig in at Toby and last weeks about turn

369596 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 33, #453 of 2137 🔗

Once again the main headline on this page starts with the word Boris,why do people keep referring to this peice of vermin in this cuddley, respectful, grandfatherly,guise… Let’s get this straight no respect what so ever should be given to this lying bastard and those writing the daily updates should reflect that sentiment..

369603 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #454 of 2137 🔗

Absolutely right. I try to refer to him as Johnson when polite euphemism is required, and try never to use his preferred cover name. Why give your enemy what he wants?

370415 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 2, #455 of 2137 🔗

Same here. To me he’s Johnson…..ruled by his johnson.

370534 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #456 of 2137 🔗

Good point – using US slang he’s a right johnson, as well as Johnson.

369640 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #457 of 2137 🔗

Boris is a name often associated soviet communism, funnily enough so is Alexander, must be something in it.

369756 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #458 of 2137 🔗

I always use pig dictator

Seems somehow appropriate

371050 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, #459 of 2137 🔗

I always write ‘Liar Johnson’.

369843 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #460 of 2137 🔗

I think its to do with Toby’s matey memories of ‘the potato in a wig’ from his oxford days. I’m sorry Toby but Johnson is no mate of mine…in fact I regard him as my greatest enemy. I am not in the habit of calling enemies by their first name.

370307 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #461 of 2137 🔗

I only refer to him as Boris if it is followed by Ceaușescu

370958 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #462 of 2137 🔗

Peter Hitchens says his name is Al?

369600 Snarly, replying to Snarly, 11, #463 of 2137 🔗

Breakfast nearly came straight back up!

369608 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Snarly, 6, #464 of 2137 🔗

Surely that’s a joke? Please …

369618 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Snarly, 2, #465 of 2137 🔗

🤢

369637 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Snarly, 3, #466 of 2137 🔗

Jesus wept. If I was God I would smite the author of this “prayer” and say “Not in my Name”

369660 ▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Snarly, 1, #467 of 2137 🔗

Surely it was God who created the Corona virus?! 🤔

369681 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #468 of 2137 🔗

If by god you mean Chinese doctor in a Biological warfare lab,then you are correct.

369663 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Snarly, 4, #469 of 2137 🔗

This is why churches are empty – before the scamdemic. Not only is that insane but it is fucking creepy too. Getting inside your head as some might say. Poor Canadians!

All the time in the world for view points of religion. For this, no.

369669 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Snarly, 1, #470 of 2137 🔗

That was the prayer sent to the parents of my daughter’s Primary School by the interim head at the start of the second lockdown (when they told the parents to make-up for drop-off/pick-up)

370197 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to SimonCook, 2, #471 of 2137 🔗

Personally, asking the parents to ‘make-up’ before dropping off their loved ones isn’t necessarily a bad idea. But I get your point. Perhaps those parents unable to wake at 3am to begin the, quite frankly, unachievable task of making themselves presentable to others by use of mascara, foundation, mortar and a bit of lippy, should resort to mask use with my full blessing.

(Couldn’t resist your typo – assuming it was a typo!)

370821 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Snarly, #472 of 2137 🔗

Each breath that it holds
Says it all really.

369605 chaos, replying to chaos, 25, #473 of 2137 🔗

It is strange living in a communist nation – the UK. With no freedom of speech. Called a denier for being a lockdown sceptic.. impossible now to deny that Boris Kemal Bunter and his teenage Rockerfella ‘green’ girlfriend and wife-beating Rockerfella ‘green’ dad have ushered in communism. And continue to do so.. build back bolshevik.

369626 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to chaos, 12, #474 of 2137 🔗

I’ve spent a great portion of my life being called all sorts of stuff for warning that communism was knocking on the door. Anyone could have seen it coming if they’d took the time to look outside the mainstream narrative. But for the overwhelming majority of people, the truth is too scary to accept, so it’s easier to go along with the crowd.

369702 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to J4mes, 2, #475 of 2137 🔗

Slippery slopes indeed. Big State leads inevitably to national socialism and communism.

Slippery slopes:

Just a few Muslims they howled. Now 15% of the pop will be Muzzie soon with rapes, crime, unemployment etc.

Just Queers loving each other who have a right to be married they screamed. Now education, society is assaulted with Queer-tranny fascists, gender bender theology and massive hate of heterosexual whites. Only Queer is good.

Just acknowledge past racist sins of slavery they yelped. Now a complete rewriting of history, bending knees everywhere, non Whites applauded and appearing everywhere, hatred of White civilisation, anti-White racism rampant, ignore Black enslavement of Blacks, Muslims enslaving 25 mn Whites etc etc.

Just save the planet, be greener they groan. Now forced green policies, bird choppers, slave labour for solar panels, massive taxes, higher costs, possible derangement of the modern economy, state control of all energy etc etc.

ad infinitum…add ’cause’ here and the slippery slope.

370070 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to chaos, 2, #476 of 2137 🔗

No, they have uttered in Fascism, we are the scapegoats. This is not socialism by any means.

370408 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Dominich, #477 of 2137 🔗

Correct. That is the name of the train thundering down the track towards us.

369607 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 4, #478 of 2137 🔗

I’m surprised there was no mention on this site of the BBC’s latest extreme sensationalism yesterday. Germalist Clive Myrie chose to report the latest rounds of scaremongering from outside a morgue. Subtleties are out the window.

It provoked this video response: https://youtu.be/SRg50IqIbug

Seems appropriate to point out you can buy a T-shirt to fend off the nastiness of Myrie here: https://teeshirt21.com/product/myrie-you-can-t-scare-me-i-m-a-myrie-myrie-t-shirt-myrie-hoodie-myrie-family-myrie-tee-myrie-name-myrie-bestseller-myri-KvZjj?utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=100&msclkid=df5494b0918f1a866f8ff4b9c07c13fe

369806 ▶▶ mj, replying to J4mes, 1, #479 of 2137 🔗

mentioned this elsewhere today .. Radio 4 Media show yesterday 16.00 covered this and interviewed Myrie about it (all full of praise)

370405 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to J4mes, #480 of 2137 🔗

Myrie can be relied on to be enthusiastically on-message.

369609 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 51, #481 of 2137 🔗

I watched Talk Radio with Neil Oliver yesterday and he was talking about his teenage children. He said how they and their friends have gone from the high hopes of youth (going to university, travelling, starting a new career etc) to despair and their attitude is “what’s the point”. All they can see is more isolation, no fun, no hope and they cannot see this stopping, ever. What has the government done to the young of this country?

Did the government put that into their cost benefit analysis, oh they didn’t do one.

369627 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Smelly Melly, 24, #482 of 2137 🔗

My 16 year old neice is struggling. She doesn’t want to get out of bed or dressed. She asked her Mum, ‘whats the point?’. And it’s hard to reason with that.

369644 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Ganjan21, 27, #483 of 2137 🔗

Same mine 18 year old niece..She stays in her room in her PJ’s, has not washed her hair in 2 weeks, barely eats cries pretty much constantly. I told her to come down to London(she lives in Essex) nd stay with us for a while, but her mum , a hardcore priestess of the Church of the Ultimate Covid said if she did that she would put lives in danger and would not be welcomed back home..I’m surprised she has not tried to kill herself, like 5 of her friends already did( 2 succeeded ..her comment? They are at least out of this nightmare) This used to be a bright, sporty , well presented, polite, intelligent girl..now she is waiting to end it all. I’m beyond anger now, I’m in a state of grief.

369697 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #484 of 2137 🔗

Five of her friends attempted suicide and two succeeded?

369759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #485 of 2137 🔗

Correct..The 3 of them were a a cry for help but the other 2 …no chance of any help.

370118 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #486 of 2137 🔗

I bet the suicide statistics of this period are going to be a state secret, or distorted.

370386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #487 of 2137 🔗

The woman sounds like a pathological narcissist, if that was her reaction to hearing of the suicides. Heaven help the daughter- see Bart’s comment below in that respect.

369827 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #488 of 2137 🔗

Hope her mum has deep pockets because there will be hell to pay.

370290 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #489 of 2137 🔗

I would be having serious words with her mum if I were you. The very notion of a parent putting this fucking virus ahead of their own child’s mental health is disgusting.

369791 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #490 of 2137 🔗

I am a private tutor and some of the girls say very similar things…I find it difficult to disagree with them. One of them also told me that her teachers keep telling them the pupils might die of covid unless they are very careful. I asked her if any girls at the school had died of covid…she said no. I said well the teachers are just liars then aren’t they. Thank god I no longer work in schools….I could never kow tow to that kind of gas lighting.

369631 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #491 of 2137 🔗

Lives matter except when lives don’t matter. The twisted contradiction at the heart of everything.

369684 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #492 of 2137 🔗

Totally agree. Last year I saw some segment on TV where this position was argued, and the person (can’t remember who) defending the Gov position basically said, to the effect, “yes well that doesn’t really matter, because we see the future for young people as having digital experiences with digital friends…” wonderful. (sarc. face!)

369798 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #493 of 2137 🔗

That person needs hanging.

370844 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Boris Bullshit, #494 of 2137 🔗

and their colleagues!

369706 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #495 of 2137 🔗

Over the course of the last year the likes of Neil Oliver, Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham, all of whom I admire and champion—up to a point!—have failed to move on in their understanding of what is really going on. They all still cling to the belief that it’s all a gigantic mistake, it’s all incompetence and stupidity and that the government are misguided and don’t realise the harm they are doing. Peter Hitchens still exhorts us to write to our MPs (I’ve written to mine seven times…what a useless specimen he is!) At some point they seem to think that the obvious evidence against lock down (obvious from march 2020) will prevail and that will be that but then we will have the economic consequences of a gigantic cock up to deal with.

Personally speaking I would love to believe this but I’m afraid my faith in the ‘cock up theory’ vanished months ago. Whether by design or accident there is now something much more sinister going on. Our freedom is being taken from us and our main weapon now is non compliance, non co-operation and living as normally as we can. Only by passive resistance to an enemy we cannot as yet identify (plenty of options of course!) can we hope to overcome the ambitions of those who are determinedly trying to do us down.

Cock up theory my ar*se! Across the world, in unison, whilst enriching the super rich even more whilst the poorest are left to rot?? The moons made of cheese don’t you know and Elvis has been spotted working in Macdonalds!

369719 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Harry hopkins, -2, #496 of 2137 🔗

It’s pretty easy to confirm you are wrong. Your neighbour believes in all this covid stuff and is compliant with it and will do what he she can to support. However they are not part of the conspiracy and neither is any government they are doing just as your neighbour is , going along with things

369725 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Harry hopkins, 18, #497 of 2137 🔗

I agree. The only way out of this is mass civil disobedience, but there is no appetite for it. I don’t even feel I can speak to fellow business owners in the town because I fear they will go running to the authorities for my even articulating such thoughts.

369749 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #498 of 2137 🔗

Totally agree your views

369813 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #499 of 2137 🔗

Pretty much my feelings too. Much as I like and admire the individuals you mention, their constrained opposition is starting to seriously annoy me. Perhaps we ought to start asking about what motivates their clinging to this ‘mistaken policy’ nonsense.

Any thoughts anyone? I suspect they dont want to let go of their niches in the mainstream media…they see what has happened to Delingpole. Also I suspect they fear the growth of civil disobedience more than they hate lockdown.

Hitchen’s idea of writing to MPs is now a sick joke. Its a bit like a battered wife asking her husband not to do it again.

370398 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #500 of 2137 🔗

Many believe- including Toby, it seems- that it’s a sign of worldly wisdom and intellectual sophistication to show everyone that they’re somehow above giving credence to theories about conspiracies. As Marshall McLuhan said: small lies are hidden by official secrets acts; great lies are hidden by public incredulity.
P.S. the last urban legend I heard about Elvis was that he was working as a second-hand car salesman in Bristol.

370982 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Harry hopkins, #501 of 2137 🔗

Hitchens has had the same mantra since the beginning, and Neil Oliver is very compassionate, but in both cases you wonder if they have to be careful because of contracts?, tho. generally speaking any dissenting voice is welcome, even if it is a bit weedy.

369740 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #502 of 2137 🔗

I am awaiting a meeting with my MP to discuss this very thing

369613 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 20, #503 of 2137 🔗

I’ve woken up today with a bit of negative G as the emotional rollercoaster is on it’s way down again for no known reason in particular except that Big Brother and his helpers appear to be rolling out another length of the suppression carpet. The light at the end of the tunnel is dimming and might just be the 9.50 from Paddington, empty as usual. The brilliance of the vaccine aura that kept us quiescent for months has dimmed now it is amongst us and the sages have consulted the runes and decided it’s efficacy is roughly the same as wearing a mask, which must continue …. forever. But more and harder. There is so much we don’t know, you see. There are people I (used to) see every day, whom I curse to the heavens, who stop in the doorway every time they enter a room, every time they reach the bottom of an escalator, just to assess the danger of continuing. They are the suffocators of life and progress and joy. They are in charge now, and I’m filling with a murderous rage. But then I see the below, from this edition today. And I smile. The life-blockers just need to be shoved out of the way as life passes them by. If they get injured in the process, it’s their own fault.

369648 ▶▶ dhid, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #504 of 2137 🔗

Re picture – I see Dorset police are still at it then……

369662 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to dhid, 2, #505 of 2137 🔗

Somerset & Avon aren’t much better.

369664 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #506 of 2137 🔗

I nominate Essex too.

369679 ▶▶ mj, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #507 of 2137 🔗

” now if you had been chasing mice that would have been ok as “mouser” can be deemed to be work. However chasing birds is a pleasure activity and is banned.
And wearing a cat suit isnt fooling anyone .. if you are standing up you must be human.”

369687 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #508 of 2137 🔗

Somebody should have told the cat that he does not have to accept a FPN.

369734 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #509 of 2137 🔗

This is just a false pussy tiff.

369783 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #510 of 2137 🔗

Only Mrs Slocombe is allowed to talk about her pussy!

370048 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #511 of 2137 🔗

Love the picture. Has given me a real laugh out loud moment. In fact, I’m going to print it off!

371030 ▶▶ Woden, replying to James Leary #KBF, #512 of 2137 🔗

It beggars belief that people have become so scared of living.. scared of themselves and others…

369614 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #513 of 2137 🔗

People laminating their appointment cards lol. Why not go the whole hog – frame it and hang it on the wall?

369650 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #514 of 2137 🔗

Wear it as a lanyard, gold bling to boot.

369760 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 1, #515 of 2137 🔗

Like a badge of honour!

369855 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, #516 of 2137 🔗

My missus suggested a professional photographer offering mugs etc like after going on the rides at Alton Towers which I think is a cracking idea.

369616 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #517 of 2137 🔗

Hello,

The BBC sent out a survey about their services. It does require logging in or registering, but it’s a good opportunity to give the BBC a good earful. https://www.bbc.co.uk/send/u61149175

369655 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #518 of 2137 🔗

I just sent them an e-mail back, no need to log in or register. Very satisfying.

369620 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #519 of 2137 🔗

Melvyn Bragg introducing In Our Time is one of the very few things that the BBC still do well.
Today was a fascinating 45 minute examination of The Plague Of Justian that affected the Byzantine Empire, among others.
Parallels with today are too numerous to mention but the participants clearly did not read the lockdown script.
‘At the end if the day they just learned to Live with it until it went away. They thought other things were of more consequence like making sure people were the right sort of Christians.’

Well worth your time on catch up or tonights repeat 21.30 BBC R4.

369680 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 2, #520 of 2137 🔗

If the Eastern Roman Empire had implemented the lockdown policy for a year or two then the Empire would have survived. However, I don’t believe that modern industrial civilisations like ours with complex supply chains for a much wider variety of goods and services (including energy, IT infrastructure and so on), are going to survive a prolonged lockdown.

369758 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #521 of 2137 🔗

Even the Romans had long supply chains for wheat etc.

369854 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 2, #522 of 2137 🔗

But much of their food was produced closer to home, in local farms and estates just as it was in Britain pre-1945. They had wheels and carts produced locally, ships too. Out transportation systems rely on long and complex supply chains for vehicle manufacture and energy supply. Complex societies are much less resilient than simpler ones.

369864 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #523 of 2137 🔗

Which is why the Justinian plague was overwhelmingly urban based affecting rural areas much less.

369950 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #524 of 2137 🔗

Britain had Ireland to supply food – during WW2 when Ireland was officially neutral, Britain supplied sufficient locomotive coal (special coal from South Wales suitable for steam engines) to allow the running of goods trains in Ireland that were carrying exports to Britain. All other trains suffered – having to use locally sourced anthracite, wood or turf.

370377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ewan Duffy, #525 of 2137 🔗

Correct- Bulleid had a crack at designing a turf-burning loco when he was CME of CIE, didn’t he?

369857 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #526 of 2137 🔗

Which is what spread the contagion around the major population centres of the Mediterranean so quickly, bit like air travel these days.

369870 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #527 of 2137 🔗

No, it kept coming back over the decades until it had got who it was going to get, just like Covid but with a longer timeframe.

369686 ▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 4, #528 of 2137 🔗

I find melvyn and guests put a revisionist spin on topics that relate to modern society. Lessons from history to guide thinking about today in a certain direction.

Often history is mind opening, I often feel a claustrophobia from the lens they put over historical events.

Just my opinion.

369709 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 2, #529 of 2137 🔗

That’s because the interpretation of history is primarily carried out by academics, and most academics these days think interjecting contemporary political agendas into everything they do is what makes them academics.

369878 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 1, #530 of 2137 🔗

I know Melvyn likes to invite guests from SOAS, I’m not sure who they were today but I did not hear any overt references to covid/lockdown.

370260 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #531 of 2137 🔗

He’s very good, and I’ve listened to hundreds of them since about 2012, mostly while walking or driving (iPhone tucked in breast pocket). But it’s very faintly irritating how condescending he is, by implication, to women – he evidently believes that not enough are qualified on their own merits – in that he operates an affirmative action system of always having at least one woman among the three panellists. Possible line-ups: all women, two women and one man, one woman and two men (getting less and less frequent). Forbidden line-up: three men. Yes, I know I am a very bad person to notice things.

370380 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 2, #532 of 2137 🔗

Are you old enough to remember the last all-male panel on Question Time? If so, you must be at least as old as I am!

369621 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #533 of 2137 🔗

Mrs Beefheart had to contact the doctor to get an appointment. Made the fatal mistake of coughing on the phone. Now they want her to get a PCR test before being allowed to see them.

Desperate stuff, but it seems to be working. People are more petrified than ever and are willing to give up even more freedoms – not that they have many left.

I think it’s got to the stage where they’ve given away so many of theirs, they now want to force “other” people (those pesky rule breakers and deniers) to have EVEN MORE of theirs removed (locked up in camps maybe? confiscation of their private property? – none of this would surprise me at all any more)

I was also wondering about the vaccination “passports”.

If I were an unscrupulous person, I might think of paying someone to get the vaccine for me. I wondered if you had to show ID (and a utility bill or something) when they jab you. If not, how do they link the “certificate that I’ve been experimented on” to your person?

If anyone would like to apply for the position of Captain Beefheart’s Guinea Pig, he is willing to pay £1,000 per jab.

369628 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to captainbeefheart, 6, #534 of 2137 🔗

This has a lot in common with socialism. You know what they say: “Socialists don’t love the poor. They hate the rich.” In the same way a socialist does all they can to destroy the rich under the pretense of love the poor, so do lockdowners do all they can to punish skeptics that want their freedom under the pretense of protecting everyone from suffering.

369665 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #535 of 2137 🔗

It also has a great deal in common with fascism.

At its core the current agenda is about cementing the position of global corporate entities, who working in partnership with the states, are transferring wealth – and with it power – to themselves.

Read the books of Antony Sutton to see how Wall Street helped to finance the various versions of socialism.

Socialism in his view – in the USSR – was about creating a vast proteted market, and source of raw materials, and preventing the rise of a possible competitot to the US.

Interview – 40 minutes – with Sutton here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDvLmEBESY

Lockdown is not about ideology.

It is about power and money.

369795 ▶▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to rockoman, 1, #536 of 2137 🔗

Different sides of the same coin.

370522 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to rockoman, 2, #537 of 2137 🔗

I agree but at its core it’s no longer about money per se, more resources.

Money as we’ve known, and the currency systems they represent are very close to being kicked in the gonads then subject to vaporization.

Please excuse my frankness. These nefarious greedy fucks have built vast empires of wealth whilst pissing on nature, the environment and mankind and now want to save nature, the environment and mankind? The colossal, prehistorically gargantuan fucking irony of that.

But wait, with enormous gratitude to the plebs that have sweat the blood and tears to make our piles big enough, we’ve bought up all the world’s resources, well the bits that China hasn’t got its grubby paws on, plus the food, energy, technology, pharmaceutical and medical industries, we propose to change the rules and, well, fuck you, basically. Actually, we’re not even gonna propose it, we’re just gonna do it nice and slowly and hope you don’t notice whilst we laugh at you.

Whatever digital system they’ve got up their sleeves to determine the value of what they’ve got compared to what we’ve got is not going to be in our favour. Nor will it represent their gratitude.

The sheer conflicts of interests littered throughout this should be enough to launch a revolution, let alone the magnitude of the rest of this unprecedented piss-take.

369673 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #538 of 2137 🔗

Yes. though I would say that Socialists don’t necessarily hate all the rich, what they are usually getting at, is that if “other people” [ie them!] were rich they would do a better job with their money.

369639 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #539 of 2137 🔗

The Vetting and Baring Agency (Criminal Records Bureau as was) is basically a process of identification.
You are not required to divulge any criminal convictions these days because The State presumes it knows everything about you already (LOL) but you do have to produce three carefully specified pieces of documentation to prove who you are.
For this it charges applicants the princely sum of about £150.00.

I can see them co-opting this racket to provide a certificate of Covid vaccinated status.

369704 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #540 of 2137 🔗

Your results would be on your phone with your photo ID, apparently

369860 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #541 of 2137 🔗

No private surgery for me (should have had a hip replacement this week) as I refused a PCR test. Soon it will be ‘no vaccine, no surgery’. I can barely walk and am in constant pain. I weaned myself off opioids for this surgery so am devastated.

370096 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #542 of 2137 🔗

The lack of knowledge in health care staff is astonishing.
Inside Health had a segment on are LFT better/more accurate/reliable than PCR? They had an epidemiologist from UCL and a GP. The stuff the GP said was just hair raising. She had no understanding of PCR.
And she claimed that most PCR tests are people with symptoms.
I assume she was talking about community testing only.

369636 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #543 of 2137 🔗

“Saga’s pinned tweet yesterday telling customers that they would need to get the #CovidVaccine before travelling didn’t go down well with Twitter users. Today their tweets are protected. A ‘Ratners’ moment, methinks ”

See tweet for SAGA human rights breaching statement. Perhaps post here if able – its an image.

https://twitter.com/SmithWinstona/status/1352181334136025088?s=20

369652 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, 4, #544 of 2137 🔗

They are quite happy to accommodate those who haven’t been vaccinated against TB or smallpox though!

369666 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #545 of 2137 🔗

…presumably also they made no mention of ebola, legionnaire’s disease, rocky mountain fever, zika virus, scarlet fever, diphtheria, typhus…!

369668 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #546 of 2137 🔗

Just being pedantic .. smallpox in the wild has been eliminated .. However TB is an issue and it was noted over previous years that diagnoses of TB in the UK (where it had been pretty much eliminated by BCG vaccines at age 13) were increasing due to infected immigrants.
But the point is valid. there are many worse diseases out there which these institutions ignore

369683 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, 1, #547 of 2137 🔗

Smallpox killed an estimated 500 million people in the 100 years to 1960.

It killed 30% of those infected, with a higher mortality rate amongst small children.

It crippled and/or disfigured for life many of those it did not kill.

Wikipedia has an interesting entry ‘History of Smallpox’

Lokdowns are not mentioned.

369712 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, #548 of 2137 🔗

appreciate that smallpox was bad .However as wikipedia states “ The last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977, and the World Health Organization (WHO) certified the global eradication of the disease in 1980 ” Notwithstanding this refers to WHO so they might change their minds about this certification, my point of pedantry is that the disease is no longer extant and so there would be no need for Saga to look to ban people who had not been vaccinated against smallpox

370103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, #549 of 2137 🔗

One of the survivors of it in that time period was Stalin, who caught it at the age of five or thereabouts. I believe there was vaccination in Tsarist Russia but it was patchy and slanted to the upper and middle classes in the cities.

369698 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #550 of 2137 🔗

Yes why pick on covid, seems biased

369643 petgor, 11, #551 of 2137 🔗

As a sceptic I do the minimum to protect myself against the virus. I am not scared of catching Covid because I am pretty confident of the NHS taking care of me in that particular situation . What concerns me more are those many other major and minor problems which include undiagnosed cancer, and those other manifold problems all of which need NHS involvement, whether for diagnosis or treatment, which does not seem to be readily available either from hospitals or even GPs.

369647 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #552 of 2137 🔗

I’m suddenly much more at ease with the geopolitical situation. If it’s to be a choice between the Thoughts of Chairman Xi and an American attempt to project transsexual toilet policy and critical race theory round the world – it’s a 你好中国 from me.

369658 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #553 of 2137 🔗

Not an overly appealing choice, but you may be right, though the crazier stuff coming out of the US may fade in time, whereas once govts implement CCP style technocracy it is harder to roll back

369677 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #554 of 2137 🔗

If you don’t mind having to inform the state of your whereabouts at all times by means of a QR code scan, the China is definitely for you.

369691 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stewart, 7, #555 of 2137 🔗

Of course. And I’m not being entirely serious. I prefer a country that robustly tells both the US and the CCP to bugger off.

369840 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #556 of 2137 🔗

Love that sentiment

369992 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #557 of 2137 🔗

谢谢, 中国

369656 mj, replying to mj, 17, #558 of 2137 🔗

BBC news must be having an orgasm this morning .. they are now linking the floods due to the bit of rain brought by Storm Christoph (which are of course due to global warming) to covid.
Feature .. wonderful effort by all to save the Astra Zeneca vaccine stored in Wrexham from the floods (interview with council person)
Then a tosser from Manchester explaining how they have been covid compliant whilst evacuating the community and the dilemma of “do I drown in my house or do i leave the house and die from covid” . He said people were in denial. No they were in de Mersey . boom boom!!
And now handcock.. excuse me whilst i throw up .

369688 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mj, 14, #559 of 2137 🔗

That has echoes of a BBC travel program back in early spring that interviewed lifeguards who had decided not to rescue drowning people because of the risk of covid. That’s what good people these virtue signallers are when you scratch the surface, and that’s why they fight us sceptics so viciously.

369670 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 6, #560 of 2137 🔗

Apologies if already covered. There was some disbelief yesterday at the weekly death figures from the GOV website. Here’s an explanation from the ONS.

Week 53 included both the Boxing Day and New Year’s Day Bank Holidays, and registration delays during this period may account for the increase in death registrations in Week 1. Like last week, the trends should therefore be interpreted with caution this week. More information on the impact registration delays have on mortality statistics is available. To better understand the number of actual deaths that occurred in Week 1 we provide an estimate that is described in detail later in this section. The estimated number of deaths occurring in Week 1 using an experimental statistical model is discussed later in this bulletin.

Source.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending8january2021

369713 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Jonny S., 2, #561 of 2137 🔗

Interesting to compare the two charts: that for Covid vs that for flu/pneumonia. In the former case, deaths where covid is invoved as a contributing factor are a small fraction of total deaths whereas the opposite is true of flu related disease. In the latter case flu is unlikely to be fatal if you are unlucky enough to catch it, but covid quite clearly could be, on its own and not just as a contributing factor?
Is this a consequence of most covid patients being elderly and less robust than flu patients who will include many who are young and relatively fit?

369826 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mikewaite, #562 of 2137 🔗

It’s always tricky comparing flu and covid data as flu has never been tracked in the same way as we are doing for covid.

If it was I would expect flu to have been marked as a contributing factor in many more deaths in the past.

369829 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mikewaite, 1, #563 of 2137 🔗

I wouldn’t place any faith in figures for any respiratory illness. I think we can be sure that any Covid figures are bollocks.

369825 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jonny S., 1, #564 of 2137 🔗

The key sentence reads :

We estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 1 in England and Wales was between 14,008 and 17,728 .”

… which confirms the interpretation many of us made to explain the jump.

The other side of this is that pre-Christmas figures may need to be revised upwards slightly – which would be rational, given the unexpectedly lower than expected levels.

369671 Covidonian, replying to Covidonian, 4, #565 of 2137 🔗

Here in Scotland a leaked video suggests that our public health police state -resists despite vaccine rollout. The clinical director our dentist of doom Jason Leitch tells an internal Scottish Government meeting “Don’t book a holiday till 2022” This despite cases falling he refuses to offer any light. ‘We can;t get used to high levels of positive cases… even hundreds are too much he argues. . Of course no mention of false positives and the poor quality of PCR. Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon revels in a pandemic which diverts everyone from their failures on care homes education. And vaccination as well as an inconvenient probe into the Salmond case. The Scottish government is also stuck in a cognitive tunnel listening to unqualified social scientists like Devi Shridhar and Linda Bauld whilst ignoring life scientists like Mark Woolhouse. We are not getting out of this any time soon.

369945 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Covidonian, #566 of 2137 🔗

Good comment. Sorry i didn’t see before posting link to sun articla about same.

See how leaks are deliberately used. The Scottish Goc are particukarly klunky about their leaking.

Aberdein has been whitewashed out of the MSP inquiry into Scot Gov. We know they are blatantly corrupt.

371094 ▶▶▶ Covidonian, replying to Basics, #567 of 2137 🔗

Basics I agree. Cards on the table I support Indie but the SNPs sanctimonious dishonesty make me angry. They are a cabal of scheming incompetent mediocrities. Student politicians and five minute solicitors in the main who couldn’t run a bath. There is a tradition in Scottish politics of Stalinist manoeuvring. Labour epitomised it. The SNP are carrying it on but the talent pool is so shallow and they can’t do it without messing up.. They are now being controlled by panicky public health zealots and low grade civil servants. Covid in allowing Sturgeon a daily bully pulpit suits their purposes. . Meanwhile they can whitewash and scheme till their hearts content. Our pliant media won’t hold them to account. I think the English press will go with it soon. That could change the game.

369676 niko, 17, #568 of 2137 🔗

When liars, knowing they’ve been lying all along, admit to ‘mistakes’, they’re still lying.

So what’s up with the WHO’s recent reevaluation of the PCR test and its extremely high rates of false positives? It’s hardly to concede the critics were right all along, especially since this globalist front has shown no shame in continuing to contradict itself as well as others and longstanding science from the get-go of a ‘pandemic’, with its bogus bat origins and inflated predictive models, for which it already had changed criteria, as with the 2009 H1N1 sine flu fraud, so as to be able to visit plague upon the earth and invoke ‘lockdown’ (formerly a prison term which now has been rehabilitated for purposes of ‘public health’).

What’s likely being rigged now is the lowering of the cycle thresholds to produce decline of the casedemic phase of the scamdemic and ‘proof’ of the efficacy of the so-called vaccines as these are being rolled out. That doesn’t translate into the lessening of lockdown restrictions, as Warden Johnson reminds the inmates, so long as there’s not enough ‘vaccines’ (claiming in fact to be able to reduce symptoms only), or people consenting to being lab rats in an ongoing worldwide experiment for implementing biotechnological devices with still untested and undeveloped potentials of genetic and digital control.

As far as the “masters of mankind” (Adam Smith) are concerned, their covid coup will continue as long as they can get away with murder in the name of public health, because the ‘vaccination’ agenda is not just about profits but power. As Doktor Bill Gates, private philanthropic director of the WHO, has stipulated, we’re not going back to normal until most everyone on the planet has been vaccinated, that is incorporated within the population control grid (‘immunity’ passes, 5/6G, IOT, central bank cashless currency, social credit scores, and more). This ultimate goal connects with why the WHO also recently reevaluated its definition of herd immunity, reducing it exclusively to vaccination, altogether eliminating overnight naturally acquired defenses, and human evolution.

We need to stay true to real science, rather than the Frankenscience of technofascists. But we must also recognize this plandemic has never been about people’s health and welfare, any more than other bizzness as usual corruption and criminality of corporate state rule. This is about who calls the shots for humanity.

369682 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 22, #569 of 2137 🔗

An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In, WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates Individuals Testing Positive for COVID
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/

And Toby still doesn’t believe there’s an agenda at play? That this is all about incompetence and stupidity?
These people don’t get where they are by being stupid. These are smart devious people, but they think we’re stupid, which is why they are surprised and upset when we don’t believe them.
Or they don’t care.

In other news, the Democrats have ripped off the far left mask, and are going full-on authoritarian, Will be crushing any dissent.

369711 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to LMS2, 10, #570 of 2137 🔗

PCR tests were never designed to find ‘Covid’. They have always been a convenient tool to ramp up the hysteria. Can you imagine how stupid people must be to believe that if they are not sick, no symptoms, they still ‘carry’ a disease which will kill others?

You could test yourself 2x today, send the results to 2 labs and there is an even chance of getting 2 different results – even though you are healthy, have no symptoms. So, the idiots then say ‘well you are sick but don’t know it…’ You could apply that non-logic to TB, West Nile, Malaria, Diarrhoea etc etc. I don’t have any symptoms doc for malaria…’no stupid, you could be asymptomatic, we need to test, jab you, you moron, don’t be anti-science, murderer, spreader, fascist…’ etc.

369747 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to LMS2, 1, #571 of 2137 🔗

But hopefully waking up even more new dissenters!

369757 ▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 5, #572 of 2137 🔗

They may be both stupid and devious

I think it is wishful thinking to believe that coronapanic was a front to get rid of Trump and now we’ll get back to normal

I am sure Trump’s enemies used it against him – that is normal politics

But Biden and the Dems look fully signed up to the coronapanic agenda

Democrats have ripped off the far left mask, and are going full-on authoritarian, Will be crushing any dissent.” Far-left, far-right, whatever – in recent years they have shown little sign of believing in freedom of speech or honesty – no mask has been ripped off – the party has been taken over by shrieking extremists

369807 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, #573 of 2137 🔗

They will snap back to form – The Dems are in hock to the banks.
They have already slapped down BLM and the extremists just sat there and took it on a zoom call
My sides

369808 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, -1, #574 of 2137 🔗

I am sure Trump’s enemies used it against him – that is normal politics”

As Trump used it in the opposite direction – it certainly wasn’t innate wisdom!

This sort of irrelevant drooling over Trump does the work of 77th Brigade brilliantly in corralling opinion here at a time when a broad coalition is needed.

369685 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 22, #575 of 2137 🔗

Hugh Pennington just claimed on talk radio that the virus was gone from London last summer but was brought back again from Spain by returning asymptomatic holiday makers – surely this is bollocks?

369689 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Major Panic, 17, #576 of 2137 🔗

Bollocks, Yes,

369700 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Major Panic, 7, #577 of 2137 🔗

Oh I remember those heady days of summer. No cases, no deaths; completely gone from our dear British Isles. Until those pesky chavs came back from Spain…

369774 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Puddleglum, 6, #578 of 2137 🔗

Everyone was a sceptic then, “Always knew it was bollocks mate”, they’d say, striding into their local.

Now they are home, bordered up windows, drinking Mr Sheen watching the phone for the call to get the jab.

Because they don’t think for themselves. They never did. They are moved by the social mood, stage managed by the media and Gov.plc

369708 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 1, #579 of 2137 🔗

Don’t call me….sorry couldn’t resist

369715 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Major Panic, 1, #580 of 2137 🔗

That old guy does my head in. Idiot.

369718 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Major Panic, 3, #581 of 2137 🔗

What the CV 19 waited, asleep, no symptoms, no indication in the host…..then as soon as they landed, out pops the CV, floating, biting, killing? Is that the moron’s story? Can he prove it? You know, the science?

369744 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to FerdIII, 2, #582 of 2137 🔗

seems to base things on jackanory based rather than evidence based science

369731 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Major Panic, 2, #583 of 2137 🔗

What an idiot.

369736 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Major Panic, 3, #584 of 2137 🔗

Bollocks? never stopped them before

369768 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Major Panic, 2, #585 of 2137 🔗

Totoal bollocks and a script. The Health Minister for Scotland spouted similar tripe, saying something like they fought back 300 variants but one Spanish one got through.

369858 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Major Panic, 1, #586 of 2137 🔗

Nope, all true. He knows exactly where that sneaky virus is at all times.

369693 Jane C in France, replying to Jane C in France, 10, #587 of 2137 🔗

Did anybody see this in Zerohedge? “Jabs For Joints: Free Bag Of Weed With Your COVID Vaccine In DC” That really is how Washington is trying to persuade people, especially young people, to get vaccinated – a bag of cannabis, instead of a sweetie.

369722 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jane C in France, 2, #588 of 2137 🔗

And no doubt with a catchy name – vaccine haze, mRNA liberty or totalitarian glue

369926 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #589 of 2137 🔗

Vaccine Haze sounds like a new eau do toilet from Laurent, Gaultier or Miggins.

369753 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jane C in France, #590 of 2137 🔗

Which one is the gateway drug?

369852 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jane C in France, 1, #591 of 2137 🔗

The US government has secretly been running their domestic narcotic black market for years. It’s lovely to see that they can now start doing it openly. Now that’s real progress.

370128 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jane C in France, 1, #592 of 2137 🔗

Considering what I read about side effects, you need a little cannabis for relief.

370916 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #593 of 2137 🔗

That was my reaction.

369694 Mibi, 1, #594 of 2137 🔗
369705 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 33, #595 of 2137 🔗

An elderly relative who has advanced osteoarthritis of the hip and is in chronic pain and unable to walk more than short distances finally got a telephone appointment with the GP today. She was advised that nothing can be done and no investigations can be made. Instead, my relative should “just keep enjoying food – it’s about all we have to keep our spirits up at the moment!”

God bless our wonderful, brilliant NHS.

369707 ▶▶ iane, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #596 of 2137 🔗

Yep – it’s officially changed its name to No Help Service .

369789 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to iane, -1, #597 of 2137 🔗

Don’t wildly exaggerate. I’ve had massive help (GP and two specialist hospital areas) via the NHS over the last month alone.

369800 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 3, #598 of 2137 🔗

The NHS is now a local phenomena

369821 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 7, #599 of 2137 🔗

you have been fortunate then .. there is enough evidence around to show that a lot of people have been let down by the NHS since last year and that a lot of normal routine examinations, tests and procedures have been cancelled or delayed. criticism of the NHS is totally valid.

370004 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mj, 2, #600 of 2137 🔗

Plus of course the article above the line about Surgeons asking Sir Simon Stevens to suspend Breast Cancer Screenings. What the fuck have breast cancer screenings got to do with Covid?

369834 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to RickH, 6, #601 of 2137 🔗

Well, you know what they say: it’s the exception that proves the rule. And yes, there are a few good GPs around (my sister, who is handicapped, fortunately has one who will even, once in a blue moon, visit her), but it is now very rare; my surgery is all-but wrapped in barbed wire.

369913 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 4, #602 of 2137 🔗

It isn’t really wild exaggeration. It’s a comparison of anecdotes. In time, unless public debate gets shut down completely, we will find the truth of the NHS’ behaviour this past year. Unfortunately I think it’ll be at the cost of many people’s lives.

370530 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to RickH, 1, #603 of 2137 🔗

Not so for me. Locked against the public. I emailed them in anger and got a reply saying that the Practice Manager is ‘out of the business today’. Business????

369724 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #604 of 2137 🔗

The wonderful NHS kept my mother in agony with the same complaint for years. A chance conversation led to her asking the doctor to make a referral for the hip replacement to be carried out at a private hospital at no cost to my mother. Needless to say, a couple of months later, the job was done. She received wonderful treatment. Might be worth asking, although given the current shit show, who knows if that’s possible now.

369748 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nymeria, 3, #605 of 2137 🔗

NHS in normal years will outsource hips. knees etc to private hospitals as a matter of routine . Indeed i had cataract done at a private hospital via NHS referral.
Whilst last year there was talk of NHS booking large numbers of beds from private hospitals for emergency covid overflows this would have stopped so there is no reason why NHS cannot continue to use Private hospital capacity for these routine procedures .

369879 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Nymeria, 6, #606 of 2137 🔗

I am desperately trying to get a private hip replacement. First they commandeered private hospitals at an eye watering £400m a month although they didn’t use three quarters of them. Now I am refused private surgery at 12k unless I submit to a PCR test, even though my GP wrote and told them I have severe nasal issues (surgeries and torrential bleeding) Soon it will be ‘No vaccine, no surgery’. Even a man who fell off his bike and broke his pelvis was refused surgery unless he had a PCR test first. When I showed my exemption at the reception desk I was greeted with ‘I suppose you CAN manage a visor’ shouted loudly to humiliate me. I had to wear a visor and felt like a dog with a cone of shame. So, even if you pay, you get treated like shit.

369743 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #607 of 2137 🔗

I had a very pleasant telephone chat with my a Rheumatologist last year – the first “appointment” I was able to have for 18 months, which achieved precisely nothing. He couldn’t check my joints at all, check my posture, or my overall well-being. or see where I was having particular difficulty in movement. My appointment were already delayed by a year because of “re-organisation.” No mention of any further appointments either.

369765 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #608 of 2137 🔗

I just saw that B & M are offering 10% off to all NHS staff. What about the people whose income has been reduced and are on the breadline?! Whole thing stinks to high hell.

369809 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #609 of 2137 🔗

Should be renamed the NCS.

370000 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #610 of 2137 🔗

Hip replacement?

369714 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #611 of 2137 🔗

‘Johnson is in no rush to lift restrictions’ said Blair from the shadows, ‘his orders are to keep it going until the majority are owned by the state and can never obstruct my plans again.

369831 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to DanClarke, 3, #612 of 2137 🔗

Instead of going into lengthy discussions about missed cancer screenings, suicides, bankrupt small business owners, 99% survival rates and unproven mRNA technology, I may in future simply state my position by saying ‘because Tony Blair is for it’.

370301 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, #614 of 2137 🔗

Great

370923 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #615 of 2137 🔗

There is a whole lot of confusion over what the purpose of the covid vaccines is.

Quote of the century?

369723 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 10, #616 of 2137 🔗

So Lord Sumption is being compared to a eugenicist is he? More deflection away from who the REAL eugenists are in this ever-growing pack of lies and take-down-of-humanity s/how that calls itself a “Covid Crisis.”

369733 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to HelenaHancart, 12, #617 of 2137 🔗

Seems to me the whole thing was a staged trap. First time such a debate has happened on TV (practically a year after this thing started) and they pitch Lord Sumption against a woman with incurable cancer… They obviously had enough time to do their homework on how Sumption would respond to certain topics and were prepared to be utterly outraged .

369745 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to J4mes, 8, #618 of 2137 🔗

May well have been prepared

Sumption has trounced everyone who has interviewed him – men against boys – and I think they know he is dangerous to them

I am glad he had the balls to say it and then defend himself on GMB

Some will have been outraged but it needed saying

If we can’t get this accepted then we’re doomed

369969 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 3, #619 of 2137 🔗

I’ve no doubt at all that he was set up.

369770 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, 4, #620 of 2137 🔗

Just because they’re out to get you doesn’t mean you’re not paranoid. The inclusion of a young cancer-sufferer on the panel wasn’t particularly unexpected or unreasonable. I was actually quite surprised at the generally balanced nature of the programme.

I have massive respect for Sumption – but I tend to agree with Christopher Hitchens that his response was not his usual careful self. It did leave the door open to predictable distortion.

369777 ▶▶▶▶ Kat, replying to RickH, 5, #621 of 2137 🔗

Christopher Hitchens is dead. I think you meant his brother Peter.

369997 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to J4mes, 1, #622 of 2137 🔗

Of course, what he was saying was what the NHS have been doing for years – issuing DNR notices to the frail elderly, denying them medical treatment, prioritising privately paying patients over NHS patients, massive failures in early diagnosis etc. He was only stating what is already NHS policy. He is right of cuorse. The woman with Stage 4 cancer should be asking what the NHS have done for her and what decisions they are making about her treatment.

369763 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to HelenaHancart, 8, #623 of 2137 🔗

For many people if they can’t argue using logic and reason they resort to emotional arguments.

The unfortunate thing is that emotional arguments appeal to many people because they lack logic and reasoning.

369773 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to HelenaHancart, #624 of 2137 🔗

The eugenicists will get the deflectors eventually, the useful idiots

369796 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #625 of 2137 🔗

Lord Scrumptious should have known what would happen and prepared accordingly

369819 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #626 of 2137 🔗

The professionally outraged are encouraged by the potential to score virtue points on social media. It’s worth remembering what type of personality traits social media appeals to.

369728 FlynnQuill, replying to FlynnQuill, 25, #628 of 2137 🔗

Just spoke to a work colleague who has returned to work after testing positive (PCR) for covid. She was feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago but didn’t have any covid symptoms. she said she just felt she had no energy, headaches, aches and pains. Phoned work and they insisted she have a test despite not having a cough, loss of smell etc. Test came back positive. Husband had to self isolate and so did her kids.

My wife had exactly the same around ten days ago and she was off for a week. she works for the NHS but they didn’t force a test. My wife and my colleague just had a seasonal virus that appears every year. However my colleague is another COVID stat despite not having it. How many more millions are being counted as positives that aren’t?

When will this madness stop? Never in my opinion.

369737 ▶▶ mj, replying to FlynnQuill, 10, #629 of 2137 🔗

i have just had the same thing.. hot, tired , blocked up, sinusy, headaches . no cough,no loss of taste/smell. Similar thing i get every year.
Wouldnt dream of getting tested.

369755 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to mj, 6, #630 of 2137 🔗

I know, it’s madness. Companies are driving the panic and the testing. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

369754 ▶▶ RickH, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #631 of 2137 🔗

You’re absolutely right – the winter always sees myriad minor infections. This syndrome is another distortion caused by Covid hysteria.

369785 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #632 of 2137 🔗

Sceptics focus too much on the disappearance of flu – when it is the other four (known) circulating Coronaviruses that we should be shouting from the mountaintops

369812 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #633 of 2137 🔗

Government will be more keen than ever that their minions count everything as positive to try and bolster their position now that the ruinous consequences of their lockdown policy are becoming apparent to even the silliest of sheep.

369893 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to FlynnQuill, 3, #634 of 2137 🔗

True. The world has gone nuts. There is no disease but Covid. People with no symptoms willingly participating in testing or coerced into it.
Feeling really down today as there seems no way out.

369987 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to WasSteph, 2, #635 of 2137 🔗

Keep thinking positively and looking upwards and forwards. It’s a fight to the death now – it’s a positive thing to do – success or not – at least we’re trying to change the narrative and to be honest, we are breaking through quite a bit now thanks to the rabid rantings of Neil O’Brien and others. It all leads to more traffic on here even if just to see what all the fuss is about. Recently, there have been quite a few new posters on here.

369976 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #636 of 2137 🔗

Oh, it will stop, when and how is the issue now.

369730 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #637 of 2137 🔗

The Wahun Health Organisation has decided that the PCR is bollocks. Who knew?

We did

I suspect the Chinese Intelligences Agencies found out Prof H was on the point of making an announcement and decided to get their retaliation in first

The narrative will read that the WHO and their acolytes in the West such as the pig dictator saved the world

We will not get a mention

Such is the nature of power

369762 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 3, #638 of 2137 🔗

Should be the basis for an audit of what was actually a Covid death. However, that kind of vital analysis would no doubt see half of SAGE in jail, and the law doesn’t apply to the inner circle

369973 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #639 of 2137 🔗

I think it is worth pursuing or pushing an audit of what is actually a Covid death on these grounds. I am looking into strategies for mobilising resistance and dissention. I’ll keep you posted on here.

369884 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Cecil B, 3, #640 of 2137 🔗

The Pig Dictator will take absolutely no notice of this, like they took no notice of the advise about lockdowns from WHO. They just cherry pick to meet their agenda.

369746 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #641 of 2137 🔗

Your question isn’t difficult to answer.

The petition lends credibility to vaccines that are inadequately tested.

The aim is right, the vehicle is a false premise.

369776 ▶▶ Binra, replying to RickH, 2, #642 of 2137 🔗

Yes inattention to the framing of premises is the condition by which the public is led by the nose. You either take responsibility for the thought that you validate as your own, or you give your mind to any one and anything that takes the offer of an unwatched mind as a free lunch.

369778 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to RickH, 8, #643 of 2137 🔗

The wording would at least have to be changed to ‘once the vulnerable groups have been offered a vaccine’ for me to even consider signing.

369816 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #644 of 2137 🔗

“As soon as all vulnerable members of the population (the elderly and those with certain underlying health conditions) have been protected through vaccination, all covid restrictions should be swiftly removed”

I can’t see it. I think given the talk of coercion that it needs to be made absolutely clear that the people considered vulnerable should have a choice in the matter. Some will decide that this vaccine is not for them and it is their right to do so.

369790 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 1, #645 of 2137 🔗

This letter relates to these tried and tested recombinant adenovirus vaccines. They were found to increase the risk of contracting HIV in vaccinated men. Quite the opposite of what they set out to do of course.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

I haven’t looked into it further. I’ll still trust in my own immune system.

369817 ▶▶ Binra, replying to RickH, #646 of 2137 🔗

I read this MFvH as:

“I am not real. I am saying nothing real. I am saying nothing.
There is no sense in what I say. There is no ‘I’ in the mess presented as real – EXCEPTING attempt to escape in its terms.
There is nothing real to escape’ except any remaining temptation to accord it any reality. Learning to defuse manipulative deceits is not just an ‘outside’ reaction – for that is itself soon leveraged against you. It must be the honesty of your own heart brought present – at this very moment – and every moment in which a false ‘friend’ insinuates where an open coercion fails to intimidate.

That a living one can lose their mind to a nothing, is so self evident as to be invisibly normal. But the choice as to what and who we are is not a result of ‘thinking’ or required behaviours, but of acceptance or denial of truth of our being. Why mask over in ‘thinking’ – bolstered with virtue signalling – except a fear of exposure in lack?

But WHO told you you were naked?

369866 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #647 of 2137 🔗

The elderly are at higher risk of getting very ill or dying of this disease, so vaccinating them makes sense.”

Wrong. A reasoning flaw that I often come across.

The vaccines have not been tested sufficiently. Certainly they’ve not been tested in relation to the vulnerable population.

There are particular question marks around the safety of those who are in this category.

Ergo – as a ‘vulnerable’ citizen, I wouldn’t touch any with the proverbial barge pole.

369962 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 8, #648 of 2137 🔗

I think it is important to remember that the UK is the only country that has licensed the AstraZeneca vaccine. The FDA and the European equivalent and other countries including Australia have refused to do so.

The vaccination programme is a total mess and waning fast. As is typical of this Government they haven’t thought anything through. They haven’t considered the serious risks these vaccines pose to vulnerable people (i.e. deaths and quite a lot of them following injection) or serious ADRs. It is not the solution because this whole Covid thing is a scamdemic built on a ponzi scheme of lies, fake news, manufactured hysterial, industrial levels of propaganda and of censorship.

What we have here is a seasonal respiratory virus just like the flu which disproportionately affects the 80yrs+ with two or more comorbid conditions. If the Government is to be believed then it would seem to be the case that it transmits in the same way as the bubonic plague/black death whatever it is called. It does not transmit at all in that manner. It is an airborne virus, out there in the atmosphere which finds hosts in those with a weakened immune system and increased frailty. Humans don’t transmit it from one to the other in the way that is being claimed and the evidence shows that quite clearly. There is no pandemic, there is no epidemic. We do not transmit it to each other, it finds us if we are ill, frail or elderly, no more no less.

That is the biggest fake news of this whole affair. How anyone believes the Govt Covid death data is beyond me. There are no abnormal excess deaths and if there are, they are likely to be attributable to people dying who have had life saving diagnosis and treatment cancelled by the NHS or being left in a care home being refused hospital admission or treatment. And we call ourselves a civilised society.

371009 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich, #649 of 2137 🔗

We do not transmit it to each other, it finds us if we are ill, frail or elderly, no more no less.

Brilliantly well put!

371060 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Jo Dominich, #650 of 2137 🔗

Well put Jo.

369761 Binra, replying to Binra, 5, #651 of 2137 🔗

One of endless examples:
Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance?”

The boot is on the wrong foot here. Why does such question not reveal its own answer immediately on asking?

Vallance knows full well that herd indoctrination is his chosen means to normalisation to system capture. He has his own reasons for such allegiances but such are they aligned to money and power as worshipped in the world.

There is conspiracy here that hardly needs hide itself but as a mask of ‘protection’ for the weaponised or computer modelled ‘victims’. Hancock laughs his ‘tears’.

What is the purpose in using a platform such as LDS for their deceits – as if there is any sense in them or trace of desire to see or hear their prisoner’s entreaty?

Grief will go round and around the same circles until it arrives at the willingness to release futility of clinging to what is no more, and open to the present as a call to live what is.

Reasoned communication is no longer currency of thought with those who choose manipulation and deceit as the means to save their own – set in active denial of the lives of others. They are tools to the control agenda they accepted as their life – and that is what they are ‘offering’ as ‘life’; to be tooled to a loveless agenda set in ‘righteous hate’ signalling ‘virtue’.

369939 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Binra, 2, #652 of 2137 🔗

Excellent observations. You are right, reasoned communication with this bunch of idiots is worthless they are on their own gravy train and they will soon fall off it because they are completely unable to grasp the wider economic picture.

369769 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #653 of 2137 🔗

I can understand why people no longer bother. Petition debates are suspended indefinitely and we have been told repeatedly that no degree of vaccination coverage will lead to the end of lockdown and other restrictive measures.

369801 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #654 of 2137 🔗

I’m not saying people shouldn’t bother – I signed. It still sends a message, even if it’s one that they don’t want to hear. Just noting that people are feeling pretty disillusioned with democratic processes, and with good reason.

369882 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Caramel, 4, #656 of 2137 🔗

Love the responses

369772 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 20, #657 of 2137 🔗

Flood warnings in my area. Danger to life. Thank goodness ‘Action Man’ Burnham is reminding us to observe covid rules while saving our posessions and lives. I feel reassured.

369830 ▶▶ mj, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #658 of 2137 🔗

decisions!!! do you wear a mask or a snorkel???

369837 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mj, 2, #659 of 2137 🔗

Both!

369927 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mj, #660 of 2137 🔗

Hobson’s choice!!

369936 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jo Dominich, #661 of 2137 🔗

“Come up, Will Mossop!”
“bblllb blblblb blblbb, mibster ‘Obson bblb….”

369775 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 3, #662 of 2137 🔗

Zitat aus dem Artikel zu der erwähnten Studie zu Langzeitschäden durch die Impfungen:

“Die Ergebnisse einer Studie von amerikanischen Wissenschaftlern, die jüngst im “International Journal of Clinical Practice” veröffentlicht wurde, ergaben, dass genügend Literatur zur Verfügung steht festzustellen, dass COVID-19-Impfstoffe das Risiko für schwerere Krankheiten erhöhen und dass die Empfänger vor der Impfung über alle Risiken informiert werden sollten – was offensichtlich nicht geschieht. Die Wissenschaftler kamen zu dem Schluss, dass Impfstoffe die COVID-19-Krankheit durch antikörper-abhängige Verstärker (antibody-dependent enhancement; ADE) verschlimmern können und dass diese Risiken in klinischen Studienprotokollen und Zustimmungsformularen geheim gehalten werden.

Durchgeführt wurde die Studie von Timothy Cardozo vom Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, NYU Langone Health, New York und von Ronald Veazey von der Division of Comparative Pathology, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Tulane University School of Medicine, Tulane National Primate Research Center, Covington, Louisiana, durchgeführt.

Die Wissenschaftler überprüften veröffentlichte Literatur, um präklinische und klinische Evidenz zu identifizieren. Klinische Studienprotokolle für COVID-19-Impfstoffe wurden ebenfalls überprüft, um festzustellen, ob Risiken ordnungsgemäß offengelegt wurden. Dabei kamen die Wissenschaftler zu dem Schluss, dass Menschen, die COVID-19-Impfstoffe erhalten, ein höheres Risiko haben, schwerere Krankheiten zu bekommen als Diejenigen, die nicht geimpft sind. Die Studie kommt ferner zu dem Schluss, dass diese Tatsache in Protokollen und Zustimmungsformularen für klinische Studien geheim gehalten wird. Wörtlich heißt es:

“COVID-19-Impfstoffe, die neutralisierende Antikörper hervorrufen sollen, können Impfstoffempfänger für schwerere Krankheiten sensibilisieren, als wenn sie nicht geimpft wären. Impfstoffe gegen SARS, MERS und RSV wurden nie zugelassen, und die bei der Entwicklung und Erprobung dieser Impfstoffe gewonnenen Daten deuten auf ein ernsthaftes mechanistisches Problem hin:
Dass Impfstoffe, die empirisch nach dem traditionellen Ansatz entwickelt wurden (bestehend aus der unveränderten oder minimal modifizierten coronavirus-Virusspitze, um neutralisierende Antikörper hervorzurufen) und aus Protein, viralem Vektor, DNA oder RNA bestehen können unabhängig von der Verabreichungsmethode die COVID-19-Krankheit durch antikörperabhängige Verstärker (ADE) verschlimmert werden.
Dieses Risiko wird in protokollierten klinischen Studien und Zustimmungsformularen für laufende COVID-19-Impfstoffstudien derart verschleiert, dass ein angemessenes Verständnis des Patienten für dieses Risiko unwahrscheinlich ist, wodurch eine wirklich informierte Zustimmung der Probanden an diesen Studien verhindert wird.”

Die Wissenschaftler empfahlen daher, diese Risiken von ADE den zu Impfenden offenzulegen. Das könnte vielleicht auch erklären, warum vor allem das besser geschulte medizinische Personal bezüglich der COVID-19 Impfungen besonders skeptisch ist. Sie haben sicherlich einen Wissensvorsprung, welcher der Masse von Impf-Gläubigen fehlt.”

Study on huge ADE risk of the ‘vaccines’.

369793 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JayBee, 1, #663 of 2137 🔗

can you provide the link-I’m sure they’ll be a translate option

369797 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to JayBee, 8, #664 of 2137 🔗

I ran this through a translator for anyone who does not speak German:
https://www.deepl.com/translator

Quote from the article on the study mentioned on long-term damage from the vaccines:

“The results of a study by American scientists recently published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice found that enough literature is available to establish that COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of more severe disease and that recipients should be informed of all risks before vaccination – which is apparently not done.” The researchers concluded that vaccines can exacerbate COVID-19 disease through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) and that these risks are kept secret in clinical trial protocols and consent forms.

The study was conducted by Timothy Cardozo of the Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, NYU Langone Health, New York and Ronald Veazey of the Division of Comparative Pathology, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Tulane University School of Medicine, Tulane National Primate Research Center, Covington, Louisiana.

The researchers reviewed published literature to identify preclinical and clinical evidence. Clinical trial protocols for COVID-19 vaccines were also reviewed to determine if risks were properly disclosed. In doing so, the researchers concluded that people who receive COVID-19 vaccines have a higher risk of getting more severe diseases than those who are not vaccinated. The study also concludes that this fact is kept secret in clinical trial protocols and consent forms. Literally, it states:

“COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe diseases than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines against SARS, MERS and RSV have never been licensed, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic problem:
That vaccines developed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral tip to elicit neutralising antibodies) and consisting of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA can exacerbate COVID-19 disease through antibody-dependent enhancers (ADEs) regardless of the delivery method.
This risk is so obscured in protocolised clinical trials and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient understanding of this risk is unlikely, preventing truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.”

The researchers therefore recommended that these risks of ADE be disclosed to those being vaccinated. This could perhaps also explain why the better trained medical staff in particular are particularly sceptical about COVID-19 vaccinations. They certainly have a knowledge advantage, which the mass of vaccination believers lack.”

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

369841 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #665 of 2137 🔗

Implications of the Cardozo study regarding informed consent are discussed from 8 minutes 20 seconds on this video:

https://video.wakkeren.nl/videos/watch/9bd9f602-e5e9-47e0-b35d-8f1bfd78f0f4

369888 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Andy Riley, 6, #666 of 2137 🔗

So this is what covid-19 is really all about.

The problem with vaccines is that they are tested for safety in isolation of the long-term consequences- what happens when a different virus emerges. At that stage, the original vaccination (flu for example) is forgotten and attention focuses on the new “dangerous” virus. Of course, it is only dangerous because of previous vaccinations which were at the time considered safe.

No one knows when a new virus will emerge so no testing period is adequate: it might be one year, it might be ten. The association between the vaccination and the reaction to the new virus is forgotten and ignored.

To me as a complete layman it is blindingly obvious that covid-19 as a severe disease occurs in people and countries that have received an earlier flu jab. In those individuals who haven’t received the jab, there is little or no covid.

So SarsCoV2 isn’t a nasty virus at all – it is the reaction of the vaccinated person that is inappropriate. And we haven’t, as far as I know, even stopped yet to consider the effect of adjuvants in vaccines such as Fluad.

So while people are pointing to the possibility of a future ADE event when a new virus comes along, the current ADE event is staring us in the face.

Flu vaccinations are seen as safe because you don’t get ill from having the jab; you get ill (seriously ill) when your body is confronted with a new virus. And of course it is the virus that is seen as the danger, not the previous jab.

370157 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JayBee, 1, #667 of 2137 🔗

Basically it says that people who get vaccinated are more at risk to develop serious illness and that people are not informed about this risk on the info sheet with risks and side effects during their pre vax consultation and therefor have not given informed consent.

369784 Jo Starlin, 1, #668 of 2137 🔗

I would guess that petition is being blocked or shadow banned on the main social media channels.

369786 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 13, #669 of 2137 🔗
369792 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 8, #670 of 2137 🔗

Where the f**k is all the money coming from?!

369799 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #671 of 2137 🔗

The BoE printing press. Nowadays, just a keyboard.

369805 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to John001, 5, #672 of 2137 🔗

There is a time in all of our futures when that will no longer work.

That is when the ‘fun’ starts.

ONS UK public accounts for December should be out tomorrow.

369919 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, 2, #673 of 2137 🔗

I will read it with interest. Inflation is already on the rise. Brexit will add further hikes in prices. Interest rates will go up shortly leading to a rapid increase in house repossessions, it’s a perfect storm brewing.

369802 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #674 of 2137 🔗

Us, and eventually our descendants.

369804 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #675 of 2137 🔗

Ctrl+P

369818 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #676 of 2137 🔗

Printing press goes brrrrrrrrrr
has been since 2008

369872 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #677 of 2137 🔗

Bubbles Bernanke and his one trick pony show.

369957 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #678 of 2137 🔗

Don’t ask a scouser where he gets his money from!

369823 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 7, #679 of 2137 🔗

“The UK’s Covid cases are steadily falling, however deaths are at their highest ever point as the UK rolls out the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines.”

Probably not the best things to mention in the same sentence 🙂

I nearly read “as” to be “because”

369833 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #680 of 2137 🔗

= Universal Basic Income. UBI is going to be implemented. When I was younger it was called ‘welfare’ for those who largely could not, or refused to work….

369911 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to FerdIII, 2, #681 of 2137 🔗

There is an arguement to be made for refusing to work to prop up this bullshit. If funding terrorism is a crime then paying tax to this government must also be a crime. No work no tax no crime.

370162 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FerdIII, 1, #682 of 2137 🔗

Did not work for Finland.
Did they cancel it again?

369838 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #683 of 2137 🔗

You will own nothing because they will own you.

369885 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #684 of 2137 🔗

Blue sky thinking on their part. The British people might be slow on the uptake but once mobilised, will come together.

369900 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 7, #685 of 2137 🔗

A moment of reflection for the 3 million (?) self employed and others who have never been gifted furlough loan* money. They will be paying taxes to repay the furlough loan money despite surviving on savings and thin air for 18 plus months.

* furlough is borrowed money from generations to come.

369906 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 4, #686 of 2137 🔗

What this tells me is not that the restrictions will continue into the summer but rather, it is a move to stave off mass redundancies in the summer as forecast by the OBR.

369794 John001, 1, #687 of 2137 🔗

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

England week 1 of 2018: 9.11
England week 1 of 2021: 10.09

Then correct for 1) population growth 2) ageing popn.

1) brings it to about 9.3, 2) I don’t know. Someone here will, though.

BTW I doubt that the extra deaths to come from untreated heart disease, cancer and suicides will have much seasonal variation. The line might just flatten out as it’s already done in the 2010s. I tentatively attribute that to NHS spending no longer growing at the historic rate (4% per year 1948 to 2010).

369803 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #688 of 2137 🔗

It’s clear, now (not that it wasn’t already). Not collateral deaths, not flooding right now, not the trouble being stored up for the NHS, not anything will divert them from their plan. Because what it enables is worth so much more to them – the complete crushing of the ordinary person and removal of any kind of individuality. And so, it will not stop. Pass the wormwood, will you…?

369877 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #689 of 2137 🔗

Sam, the problem is, they haven’t a brain cell between them so, it seems to me that their plan is not going as it should be and that they are not in control. It is gradually falling down around them which is why they become more draconian every time. That will have it’s payback soon. I have been praying that the 30th January 2021 the pubs and businesses open in their hundreds of thousands and that the owners have the courage to do so collectively. I really really hope so. I would like to see a company like Wetherspoons lead this and other big companies.

The thing is yes, like the contributors on here and OffGuardian and other similar websites, I too despair of my fellow citizens however, I do also appreciate that their views are being shaped firstly by a very poor education system, by years of drip drip drip inanity, scandal and fake news by the MSM and the fuelling of divisions and hatred and the genuine lack of ability to want to think things through preferring the spoon fed hatred of the MSM to which they have become addicted (look at all these crass reality TV shows) by a process of drip feeding. There are currently industrial levels of propaganda, censorship, fake news and manufactured hysteria which is very hard to block out unless you stop watching main stream broadcast news and the MSM.

However, the tide is definitely changing and that is clear otherwise they wouldn’t be going to such lengths to demonise Lockdown Sceptics, dissenters and scientists who challenge the official narrative. There are shortly going to be significant job losses, significant closures of small businesses and big ones, inflation is on the rise now and will accelerate rapidly. The impact of an extremely poor Brexit deal is now starting to take hold and the failures in negotiations on our side are beginning to come to the fore such as the start of the complete demise of our fishing industry, of industries such as wine merchants who rely on exports to the EU etc etc. In fact, for me, it is like living through the Thatcher era again except on steroids. Under Thatcher the same economic collapse led to the Tories losing the Election. The same, massive unemployment, record numbers of small business going under, record numbers of house repossessions and the rest. The people turned. They will do so again, in fact they are as the sustained campaign against Lockdown sceptics currently shows, the message and the truth is getting out there.

The truth is also that the WEF ‘vision’ for 2030 is pie in the sky thinking and, if you think about it logically, is almost impossible to achieve. This Government aren’t even close all they are doing is turning the UK into a poor country and getting poorer but haven’t a clue, the moral fibre, the intelligence or the skills to think things through, identify and analyse risks, make risk contingency plans and develop even a skeleton plan. That’s Johnson’s cabinet through and through, good on soundbites, prolific liars, delusions of grandeur and power but little in the way of political knowledge, critical analysis, long term thinking and this, as is currently the case, is showing in the complete debacle they are making of their ‘Plan’ and of this country.

Never mind the great reset, that’s rubbish, more like the great collapse of a once great country. Ignorance and the protection of vested interests are currently dominant but truth and reason will ultimately prevail. The Labour Party under Starmer are a waste of space.

For what it’s worth, I think many British people just want someone to stick their head above the parapet and take the Lead for them to kickstart change. If Lawrence Fox could launch his Reclaim Party very shortly and provide a figurehead, he would currently, reap some early quick wins.

I feel hopeful and optimistic for a number of reasons, I can’t quantify them but I believe things are on the turn. Keep plugging away.

369951 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Dominich, #690 of 2137 🔗

Under Thatcher the same economic collapse led to the Tories losing the Election

Which election was that?

370178 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Hayes, #691 of 2137 🔗

The one which ushered in the Blair Labour Government

369953 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #692 of 2137 🔗

Good post. Interesting points made. Thanks, JD.

369964 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #693 of 2137 🔗

Yes, I agree with many of your points. I think we need a combination of many people snapping out of it and willing to take action, like opening up small businesses and refusing to wear masks, plus some leadership. For the most part, though, it will come down to people waking up and just refusing to go along with this, and there are plenty of developments in the pipeline that are likely to facilitate this. By the way, I think there are far more established sceptics/opponents and those starting to question the false narrative than people on this site believe, and we might reach ‘critical mass’ in the coming 6-8 weeks.

370461 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, #694 of 2137 🔗

Under Thatcher the same economic collapse led to the Tories losing the Election. The same, massive unemployment, record numbers of small business going under, record numbers of house repossessions and the rest.

This seems to involve a huge amount of rewriting of history.

The Conservatives never lost an election under Thatcher. They won the one after she was deposed, in 1992. There were recessions under Thatcher, but also recoveries, and overall the period under Thatcher and Major showed decent annual growth, and unemployment, while certainly very high as a consequence of the long overdue ending of mass unsustainable state subsidised employment at the end of the 1970s, was not much higher at its low points when Thatcher was deposed and when the Blair regime came in, in 1997, than it stayed under Labour.
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Blair inherited a much stronger economy than Thatcher had come to power with, and unemployment was far lower than when Thatcher won her victories in 1983 and 1987. It was already declining rapidly when Labour won in 1997, and was already climbing rapidly when Labour lost in 2010.

The “Conservatives” lost in 1997 largely because they had been in power too long and it was time for a change of faces. Sadly the face we got was a war criminal and radical who would go on to lie us into involvement in a catastrophic war of aggression, and intentionally open the floodgates to damaging mass immigration and inflict intolerant and illiberal political correctness upon us.

There were plenty of problems with Mrs Thatcher, but your description of events is just false.

369810 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 29, #695 of 2137 🔗

According to the BBC, 1 in 10 hospital trusts have no ICU capacity left. Or to put it another less alarming way, 90% of hospital trusts DO have ICU capacity!

369820 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tommo, 12, #696 of 2137 🔗

You’d think nobody in ICU ever died, was moved to an ordinary ward or discharged, and that the beds were occupied forever.

369989 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #697 of 2137 🔗

I read somewhere that every time a patient who’s tested positive is moved from ward to ward, they’re counted as a new Covid case. No idea whether there’s any truth in this, but if it is it would fit in with the blatant lies around inflation of every aspect of the Covid stats right from the start of the shitshow.

370082 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #698 of 2137 🔗

I read that too.

370210 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #699 of 2137 🔗

I could well believe this. Six years ago my mentally and physically healthy mother was admitted to hospital at 89 years of age suffering from sepsis – diagnosed on arrival in the hospital. She was admitted to one ward which succeeded in combatting the sepsis within a week. Because she was recovering she was moved to another ward and then subsequently to a third ward. On neither transfer did the staff appear to know what her original ailment and treatment history had been in spite of copious notes in a folder. All they succeeded in doing after her sepsis recovery was give her two pneumonia infections and three urinary tract infections and cause her permanent morphine induced dementia. When she was eventually discharged after eight weeks – in a far worse condition than when she was admitted – her discharge notes said that she’d been admitted to hospital because of dementia complications.

369824 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #700 of 2137 🔗

The time for petitions has long passed

369944 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #701 of 2137 🔗

10,000 sigs gets a reply – “Yeah, we’re not doing that”
100,000 sigs gets a debate – “Yeah, we’ve discussed it, and we’re not doing that”.

369836 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 26, #702 of 2137 🔗

I have increasing faith that when all the vulnerable are vaccinated and the restrictions aren’t lifted that people will start to see what’s really going on.

On a call with a friend last night who has been terrified of Covid and strict in following the rules – she was very frustrated that there was no sign of anything opening up now that the vulnerable have had their jabs. Lots of talk of “it’s just like the flu for most people so why are they shutting down the country for it” and “surely even if there’s new variants there will just be an annual jab for those who need it, like the flu.”

I’ve been feeling really low and found this to be a small glimmer of hope!

369844 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chloe_, 3, #703 of 2137 🔗

In contrast, I pointed an acquaintance who is very astute to Vallance’s weasel words about the vaccine not doing the heavy lifting and I got wishy washy “oh well we must be patient” response

I despair

369931 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Julian, 2, #704 of 2137 🔗

My work colleague’s response was, “oh, well it takes a few months”. No fucking shit Sherlock.

369861 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Chloe_, 3, #705 of 2137 🔗

They will just argue that this vaccine hasnt been successful and we have to wait for a more effective one?…its a game they can continue playing for years…and they will……

369869 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #706 of 2137 🔗

Agreed! But Chloe_’s friend is one more person who won’t just lap that up and we can expect more to join the ranks, however slowly that might be.

369874 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Chloe_, 2, #707 of 2137 🔗

Try pointing to countries and US states who are just getting on with life even with the virus spreading and ask if they think all these people are evil murderers or that they are simply dealing with it rationally.

369883 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #708 of 2137 🔗

They just start talking about “Trump” or gun nuts or rednecks as if these magic incantations were somehow clinching arguments.

369952 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nobody2021, #709 of 2137 🔗

I asked you a straight question here a couple of days ago and all I got was unwarranted, spiteful abuse from you in return. You seemed to think that was justified on the basis of something I said previously.

It’s worth saying that while it is your right to use a bizarre alias when posting on here, I think you give up the right to be regarded as a normal human being when you do so. If you want to be considered a “real” person at least use your real name! I don’t know if you’re even human.

If ever I have the temerity to answer their posts trolls like you are invariably hostile, though I do not know (and quite honestly I don’t care to know) what speech “crime” it is that they think I committed which they are unwilling to let go of.

We all make mistakes.

If you want to be regarded as human then use a human name. Stand up and be counted, stop quivering like a masked coward behind a ridiculous alias. (Or is that aliases? (Do you also use the alias “Major Panic”?)

In my opinion nobody here is a government agent. I don’t think people are being spied upon and risk arrest for posting here. Okay, that’s just my opinion. I might be wrong.

But I don’t think you can hide away like that and point fingers at others from your bunker. It’s cowardly and you don’t make the rules here.

370039 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, #710 of 2137 🔗

I have only used one username in here since I joined last may/june – your only troll stares back at you from the mirror – no one has trolled you other than your inner voice

370050 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to John P, #711 of 2137 🔗

Give it up John. You are the troll. I merely pointed out a fact that you a fake victim. It’s now 2 days gone and you’re still crying about it.

369839 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #712 of 2137 🔗

HeraldScotland – paywall so no link to give click revenue.

“NHS Highland has introduced stricter guidelines in hospitals and care settings amid rising cases of Covid-19 and a more transmissable variant in the region.

“The health board, which also oversees Argyll and Bute, said staff, patients and visitors will now be required to wear Fluid Resistant Surgical Masks (FRSM) “instead of face coverings”.”

369848 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basics, 4, #713 of 2137 🔗

Face shields? Good Christ. What next, Sharia compliant Chadors or Hazmats? Or maybe we just roll around inside plastic balls like the Boy in the Bubble?

369938 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, 1, #714 of 2137 🔗

I live in Scotland, so this does not surprise me and I expect it to be rolled out across Scotland soon.

369847 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #715 of 2137 🔗

Another convincing study in case it’s not been posted.
Includes UK.

“A team of Stanford University researchers recently published a study in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation concluding that harsh lockdown policies have had minimal impact on preventing the spread of Covid-19 compared to lighter policies”

https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-indicates-lockdowns-didnt-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/

369886 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #716 of 2137 🔗

Just add to the 20+ studies that already showed this. But even if there is only ONE study showing the opposite, that’s the one they’ll point to and implement policies based on.

369922 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #717 of 2137 🔗

The purpose of lockdown is lockdown.

370416 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Vir Cotto, #718 of 2137 🔗

Why aren’t these studies front page news? Everyone! Lockdowns don’t work here or anywhere else!

What are the journalists being threatened with? All of them!

One study from June, (Imperial), showing the opposite and the method used has been taken apart.

Even broadly anti-lockdown articles don’t refer to them.

369849 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 4, #719 of 2137 🔗

I see schools will open when the nhs is sorted.
Forget all these conspiracies it walk always about the bloody nhs

369903 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dartford44, 5, #720 of 2137 🔗

The NHS is never sorted, it gets worse every year. Spends more money, provides less care.

369934 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to leggy, 4, #721 of 2137 🔗

Yes, I’ve come to the conclusion that the NHS should be converted into a mix of public and private healthcare with a significant insurance component, as in many other (more successful) countries. Unfortunately, ideology and vested interests usually get in the way, but we might now have a golden opportunity for major change. There might be a silver lining to this cloud.

370235 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, #722 of 2137 🔗

Indeed ‘ideology and vested interests’ get in the way – those of ‘free market’ ideology and the corporate sector. As said – look at PFI.

370228 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 1, #723 of 2137 🔗

Don’t get too sidetracked by partial truths – health finance has been siphoned off ever since the Blair PFI/privatisation initiatives.

Part of the current shitshow is about diverting attention from this political fact.

369941 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Dartford44, #724 of 2137 🔗

Please can you provide a link to this (about schools re-opening).

370174 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ozzie, #725 of 2137 🔗

I have started to dislike this: please provide a link.
What about: Source ?

369851 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #726 of 2137 🔗

“It worries me just how many people think they should be treated as a special case and be made priority one.

Everyday another group is claiming they should get their jab before everyone else.

But the thing is, we can’t all be at the front of the queue, and it shows how Covid has made a lot of people in this country very selfish and how they think they are more important than everybody else.”

This BBC comment hit the nail on the head. I doubt the commenter is aware of the irony though.

369910 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #727 of 2137 🔗

All the demands to jump the queue do rather undermine the altruistic motivation claim though.

370067 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #728 of 2137 🔗

Of course that could be a propaganda ploy, trumpeting the view that people are desperate to have the ‘vaccine’. Nothing galvanizes people more than thinking they’re missing out on free stuff.

369853 this is my username, 6, #729 of 2137 🔗

“After the vaccine rollout” implies a coercive tone to those who choose not to have this injection. The government, nor your neighbour or local shop has the right to tell you what medical treatments to have. Lockdown was always a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and totally out of proportion. After the first three weeks it should have been abanadoned as unworkable. The vaccine is not a way out – it’s not a vaccine, it’s gene therapy and could have devastating consequences which we don’t yet know of. It’s shameful to make ending lockdown conditional on anything, let alone injection with an experimental treatment which alters DNA.

369856 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #730 of 2137 🔗

‘And [Professor Sridhar] said that eliminating the virus should be the goal where possible.

She tweeted: “Countries that have the resources and political will should clearly eliminate COVID-19.”’

This is utterly delusional. It is insane. And this person is ‘advising’ the Scottish Government? Good grief. This really is a low point.

369880 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #731 of 2137 🔗

She is doing much more than the Scottish Government. Much more. Uk Advisor. And sticking her evil neb into india and other places too. Do not let her hide behind the scottish angle, she is a full paid up member of the scandal.

369923 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, 12, #732 of 2137 🔗

Yes, she is one of the worst charlatans in this entire shitshow. She’s really dangerous. Amazing what a social anthropologist, with nearly zero biology background, can get away with. Edinburgh University has a lot to answer for.

369932 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #733 of 2137 🔗

Every word of this.

370496 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #734 of 2137 🔗

I picture even the likes of Vallance and Witty sitting at home face palming her media apperances.

369862 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 42, #735 of 2137 🔗

My 86 year old mother has just told the local NHS contact to shove the vaccine where the sun don’t shine, after having the Kung flu and never complying to any government diktat I would describe her as a lockdown sceptic role model.

369868 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #736 of 2137 🔗

Bravo Mrs Reynolds.

369881 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 40, #737 of 2137 🔗

YAY 🙂 A big hug to her.

Here is an excerpt from a conversation with my 95-yr-old nan last week:

Me: “So, have they offered you the vaccine yet?”
She: “No, they don’t need to bother”.
Me: “So you won’t take it?”
She: “No. Are you mad?”
Me: “Why am I mad?”
She: “In 95-yrs of my life, I have not seen a vaccine developed at such rapid speed, ever. God only knows what they have punched together. It can’t be. You can’t trust them. And what’s worse, they will try and blackmail people to take it in order to keep their jobs…they have already started with nursing home staff.”
Me: “So you are saying NO.”
She: “Of course I am.”

How come my 95-yr-old nan has this figured out, and the rest of the populace is in woeful ignorance?She still lives on her own by the way.

369904 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Pebbles, 7, #738 of 2137 🔗

That’s great!

369928 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #739 of 2137 🔗

Sound woman, Bruce. She must have influenced your robust and independent character a great deal.

369995 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #740 of 2137 🔗

Well you know I think it may have been visa versa the Black Sheep of the family comes to mind..

370081 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #741 of 2137 🔗

You make sure you let us know how it went at the Charles Clifford, Bruce- I can’t wait for that one!

370122 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #742 of 2137 🔗

Excellent

369863 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 6, #743 of 2137 🔗

I’ve been thinking that we lockdown sceptics need to improve our arsenal of tactics against lockdown zealots (which is by and large completely supported by the media and the government). We know that they are using hard-hitting, emotional messaging to manipulate the masses and get the bulk of society turned against us. We know they are using propaganda on the MSM to drive home the ‘deadly disease’ narrative and get everyone to be afraid and cowering at home. People like Peter Hitchens, Toby Young, Lord Sumpton etc continue to use fact-driven arguments like statisticians, hoping that simply pointing out the evidence is enough to convince these people. But they are just preaching to the choir of the already converted. We should know this by now, this problem has been festering in the universities and education institutions for at least a decade. We now live in a society dominated not by facts, but by feelings. If you FEEL offended, you are. If you FEEL like there is a plague, there is. It doesn’t matter how much logic and facts you throw against it, it just hits and slides off their perspex plastic barriers and face shields.

What we need to start coming up with, IMO, is ‘reverse propaganda’. Equally as hard hitting messaging, emotional driven responses. But you need to use the real facts to support it, so don’t just make stuff up – they can get away with that, but I doubt LS can do the same. They use their gloomy predictions, so we use gloomy predictions right back at them. They use ‘think of granny’, we know to use ‘think of the children’ in response. I’ve seen some pretty good memes of late, what if we organised the best of them to be mass printed and sneekily plastered on shop windows and lampposts over night? Obviously just posting on social media isn’t going to work, because the ‘game is rigged’ my friends.

And large scale protests, if and when they do happen again as the weather warms, need to up their game, especially when faced with violent thugs in uniform. Take a lesson from the Hong Kong protests, learn how to set up defensive measures such as barriers, protective equipment, helmets, shields etc. A large scale protest protected by a viking shield wall or a roman legion will make these thugs think twice before coming in with their batons. And these would be strictly defensive measures. Maybe we need to start humming the Hunger Games mockingjay sound too, LOL.

I’m not saying these are GOOD ideas, but it has bothered me for many weeks now that LS are on the losing side of this given all of the evidence that should make it eminently obvious to even the most average Joe that something isn’t adding up. And even if all of this nightmare comes to an end and the lockdowns/measures all cease, I highly doubt they will stop blaming the sceptics in the future. Never forget – history is written by the victor.

369876 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Vir Cotto, -1, #744 of 2137 🔗

Just laugh it off. Water off a duck’s back.

369887 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Vir Cotto, 10, #745 of 2137 🔗

It’s not our message that is lacking, it is the delivery of that message to every home in Britain, on a hourly basis, for the best part of a year – that’s what the enemy have done

369894 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 8, #746 of 2137 🔗

Exactly. If we start using emotional arguments, they’ll just criticize that we don’t have any facts. A mix of strategies is probably best, but realistically the only delivery method we have is word of mouth. That’s why the pubs are closed.

369920 ▶▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #747 of 2137 🔗

Oh the arguments still have to be supported by the facts. But the ‘opening volley’ might need a different approach.

370037 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #748 of 2137 🔗

Absolutely, sceptics are never going to be able to mount the sort of campaign that the zealots are capable of, we have to chip away at the conforming masses one by one. The only way to do that is to be prepared to counter the latest propaganda with facts, provide alternative sources for the numbers, and keep at it.

369897 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Vir Cotto, #749 of 2137 🔗

History is written by historians.

369948 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Steve Hayes, #750 of 2137 🔗

True, but you can find many examples of history written differently. History books in Mongolia revere Genghis Khan. The rest of the world, not so much. I’ve met a few Mongolians on my travels, they were shocked to hear how the rest of the world remembers Genghis Khan. I was shocked to think they never even thought that way once about the man. Japan and Korea each have their own versions of history about the various land grabs and historical events between the two nations. Each is different, and to this day there are still disputes between them about it.

You’re right, history is written by historians. But how we remember and react to that history is not necessarily in line with the facts.

369975 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Vir Cotto, #751 of 2137 🔗

Despite Mongolia being in lockstep with the USSR on most things, Genghis Khan was revered in Mongolian history books but not in Soviet ones.

369968 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #752 of 2137 🔗

You can’t fight hysterical emotions with logic and reason
These people will just have to suffer
Insulate yourselves as much as possible

370209 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #753 of 2137 🔗

It’s been recognised for a long time that the effectiveness messaging framing is based more on emotion than rationality.

… which is a bit of a bugger when the main corrective is about rational thinking.

But there may be some mileage in focusing more on the genuine emotional issues against lockdown and masks : the damage of the various manifestations of child abuse; the neglect of the old and isolated; the shocking rise in psychological issues; sentencing cancer sufferers and others to real premature death by neglect etc.

370190 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Vir Cotto, #754 of 2137 🔗

I agree with you about using emotional blackmail.

I disagree on attending protests armed for aggression.
Demos in Germany, and now Austria, promote being peaceful. Often it is a requirement by the authorities that participants wear a mouthnosecovering. And most people do, as taking part peacefully and being there is numbers is more important than your reasons for not usually wearing a mnc.
Peaceful protests will attract more people and people on the fence will see we are not lunatics.

I think people wearing sandwich boards with photos and brief details of people who died or lost businesses because of the policies will be useful. Of course it requires consent from the families. These boards could be sent around the country week after week, so we do not actually need that many.

369865 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #755 of 2137 🔗

Dentist with honorary doctorate tells nation no holidays until 2022.

“STAY HOME Coronavirus Scotland: Jason Leitch ‘warns no foreign holidays for Scots until 2022 in leaked video’”

“SCOTS civil servants have been warned by Jason Leitch not to book a summer holiday in 2021, according to reports.

“In a video that went out on the Scottish Government’s intranet, the National Clinical Director reportedly said it would be unwise to book a non-refundable holiday this year.”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6560942/coronavirus-scotland-jason-leitch-foreign-holidays-leaked-video/

369921 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Basics, 5, #756 of 2137 🔗

Very difficult to find out what this Leitch character’s qualifications actually are. The General Dental Council’s register only gives a registrant’s date of first registration. Trawling through the rags online reveals that he has an FDSRCS- this is the bog-standard first higher postgraduate qualification that all dentists do who aspire to a career in other than general practice, although the article I read makes play of the fact that the degree is awarded by the Royal College of Surgeons and leaves those who know no better to infer that Leitch is some kind of medical surgeon. As for the Doctorate, all I can find is that he has “a doctorate from Glasgow University”- no mention of what in; again, readers who know no better are being invited to infer that he’s a medical doctor.

370063 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #757 of 2137 🔗

P.S. and a CBE! A bloody CBE! In dentistry, our rule of thumb is the higher the gong awarded to one of our national representatives, the more assiduously s/he has kissed the Establishment’s arse. Barry Cockroft- the Chief Dental Officer who was complicit in the destruction of dentistry as an independent profession in the early 2000s- CBE. Lester Ellman- awkward-squad member #1, ready to go anywhere and argue with anybody on behalf of his electorate- nowt. Always check the gongs according to this rule!
P.P.S. the “doctorate from Glasgow University” appears to be a DDS- a bog standard dental degree.

370127 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #758 of 2137 🔗

Like Sridhar, Leitch is another dangerous charlatan. Scotland seems to have even more of a problem with this than England, at least relative to the population size.

370216 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #759 of 2137 🔗

even more of a problem with this than England”

… and that’s going some!

Have a look at the various gongs and alphabet samples clanging around SAGE types here.

370476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 1, #760 of 2137 🔗

There’s just something less professional in Scotland. I lived in England for several years and came to the UK from abroad. Scotland is, well, small, but even compared to what I know about other countries of a similar size, Scotland seems to reward the incapable. Things are just that much more bureaucratic, incompetent and corrupt here. I see why so many competent, capable and hard-working Scots (and there are many) leave for better opportunities ‘Down South’ or abroad.

370498 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #761 of 2137 🔗

This is a feature of the common purpose effect. Slotting in incapables to positions they can be relied on to operate politically as required. What looks like bad decision making is actively part of a broader political directiin the country is been taken. IE citizens assemblies. Scotland because it is small is a test area for much of the open society-like reordering. Established tradtions and professionalism eroded in just a few years.

370478 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, #762 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t reflect well on the scum that employ these charalatans

371082 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #763 of 2137 🔗

So what , still a fucking cunt of the first and last order, bollox to his’creds’

370465 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #764 of 2137 🔗

My apologies another correction from me –

Leitch was the 2011 HFMA UK Clinician of the Year, and was made an Honorary Professor at the University of Dundee in 2013. He was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 2019 Birthday Honours for services to healthcare and charity.

I am finding I am getting lazy and complacent of late. This is perhaps born from the tedium of being lied at consistenly for so long. My fault, I must sharpen up.

Leech was given a professorship not his doctorate.

His cbe happened due to charity work in malawi i think from memory. Probably involving children. Yes it is very hard to trace what actually the guy has achieved.

369867 John001, #765 of 2137 🔗

There were only 8628 at 11.50 h, so it is getting negative signatures.

369871 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 29, #766 of 2137 🔗

Not that I ever turn on television news or consume cultist BBC propaganda in particular, but the stuff that filters through elsewhere invariably refers to “heroic” NHS staff “fighting” or “battling” to cure patients.

I’ve spent quite a bit of time in hospitals in the last five years or so with elder family members having various health difficulties, and the reality of nursing and tending to patients is basically pretty mundane. Even (or especially) in wards where people are very ill, the work seems to consist mostly of taking bloods and temperatures and recording results. Arranging transfers or release, directing support staff to clean an area or prepare a fresh bed, etc.

People in ICU are pretty immobile by definition, and the vast majority of the work is observation and procedure. The impression that doctors and nurses are constantly engaged in resuscitation or other heroic drama is frankly nonsense. Sure the shifts are long and the work has its stresses, but these people are not under bombardment. Looking after the sick is the basis of the job, and its high time the mystique was taken out of it.

369892 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #767 of 2137 🔗

I think the corporate media prefer to use the hospital drama, rather than the empirical reality, as their template. It makes for more sensational stories.

369929 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #768 of 2137 🔗

Well said!

(As an aside, when I worked for the police complaints and discipline department, years ago when the police were admirable, one senior officer said that he feared for the ”young coppers” because many of them behaved as though ”they were in The Bill”. Sadly, those young coppers are now the senior officers. TV drama has a lot to answer for.)

369947 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Banjones, 2, #769 of 2137 🔗

Young mafioso in the US in the 1970s adopted the mannerisms and vocabulary they saw in the Godfather, which had not previously been commonplace. Even the KKK adopted much of its ritual and posturing from the film “Birth of a Nation.”

369907 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #770 of 2137 🔗

The glorification of healthcare workers has been a political strategy for decades. I’ll leave you to work out which side of politics has been pushing that notion, for manipulative politically partisan reasons.

What we are being subjected to today is merely a slightly higher level of the stuff that has been poured into the heads of the UK population for literally generations now, for as long as the “NHS in danger” trope has been a staple of partisan politics.

As always, its power comes from the kernel of truth – life and death decisions do have to be made in healthcare, and there are stresses unique to it. But anybody honest who has had any dealings with the NHS knows that it is mostly full of people just doing their jobs, occasionally very busy, often not busy at all, sometimes very competently and caringly, often the opposites of those.

370083 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #771 of 2137 🔗

Putting on a nurses uniform or a labcoat doesn’t make you a hero. The actions of the individual is what makes them a hero. A fireman can be a hero by entering a burning building and rescuing people. A nurse could be a hero by administering a quick and accurate treatment to a patient that is close to dying. To describe the entirety of the NHS as ‘heroes’ means you’re comparing an ICU nurse to a pencil pusher in the admin department and calling them both the same thing. I am sure most ordinary humble people wouldn’t want to be called a hero for filing patient records all day.

370153 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #772 of 2137 🔗

I would go further and say that doing your job doesn’t make you a hero, regardless of the particular consequences, unless in a particular case it involves unusual (for that job) personal danger.

To some extent it’s just a matter of devaluing the concept of heroism.

370159 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #773 of 2137 🔗

Don’t blame the troops for the propaganda.

“the reality of nursing and tending to patients is basically pretty mundane.”

Absolutely. But it’s the way in which it’s done that is the added value.

The same applies to the armed forces, who, similarly are subject to the misuse of the term ‘hero’ on the basis of having signed up.

The list could go on – it’s in line with the over-use of hyperbole – as with ‘epic’, legendary’ etc.

370818 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to RickH, #774 of 2137 🔗

In much the same way as anyone that appears on telly is a star.

Unprecedented levels of nonsense is where the fuck we’re at.

369889 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #775 of 2137 🔗

This is the night mare scenario nobody wants to hear about. We already know that persons with immunodeficiency disorders will be like incubating plates for prolonged virus production including mutations. And we have now vaccinated 4 million people which will include a fair amounts of persons with those characteristics.
https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1351863621735886848

“Vaccinating people with incompetent immune systems will likely accelerate spike specific mutations. The same occurs when the virus infects these people. Mainly older males with comorbidities. They can spread the virus at high loads for several weeks, many fold more replications.”

369901 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to swedenborg, 1, #776 of 2137 🔗

My response is “so what?” Flu mutates every year, and the vaccine is only moderately effective (and harmful to many – as well as being unclean). This is just an excuse, surely, for more restrictions.

369916 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to this is my username, 4, #777 of 2137 🔗

It was the WHO’s (spit) chief epidemiologist who said recently something about the mutations of viruses making them more transmissible but much less harmful. As with the common cold.

370147 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 1, #778 of 2137 🔗

It’s just basic evolutionary stuff.

369915 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to swedenborg, #779 of 2137 🔗

Please see my post above… the two articles are spot on.

369898 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #780 of 2137 🔗

exerts from some posts below, scary shit!….

”The results of a study by American scientists recently published in the International Journal of Clinical Practice found that enough literature is available to establish that COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of more severe disease and that recipients should be informed of all risks before vaccination – which is apparently not done.” The researchers concluded that vaccines can exacerbate COVID-19 disease through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) and that these risks are kept secret in clinical trial protocols and consent forms.”

”the researchers concluded that people who receive COVID-19 vaccines have a higher risk of getting more severe diseases than those who are not vaccinated”

370201 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Major Panic, 1, #781 of 2137 🔗

That is the study linked earlier which was all in German.

370220 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Silke David, #782 of 2137 🔗

as I said, thats where I copied and pasted it from…

370229 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #783 of 2137 🔗

I should have said ‘exerts from previous posts’ to be even more obvious

369905 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 9, #784 of 2137 🔗

Perhaps we could dispense with the big lead photo of that scruffy oik.

Of course he’s in no rush to lift restrictions – he’s got a nice place (or three) to live, gardens, etc etc. I’ve got a nice place too – but it doesn’t make me impervious to the suffering of other people. What a piece of work he is.

370022 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 7, #785 of 2137 🔗

I really feel for those people living in flats with no outside space, particularly those with children.

370097 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #786 of 2137 🔗

Me too

369909 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 3, #787 of 2137 🔗

In line with what has been said on other blog posts today: C-vaccines increase the risk of major complications further down the line. I highly recommend these two blog posts:

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/01/is-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-ticking-time-bomb/
https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

Please also study the guy’s credentials. He isn’t just some humpty dumpty like Prof Neil Ferguson, but a top-level molecular biologist. Yes he believes in God, but all Americans do. But he nails it like few others so far have been able to express.

And for those who still don’t have it: UK Med Alliance Informed Consent Link
tps://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/covid-19-vaccine-info#Vaccine-consent

Please share and make people aware they can (and should) say NO.

369974 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Pebbles, 3, #788 of 2137 🔗

Excerpt from the first link:

“Right now, the fatality rate of the virus is estimated to be approximately 0.26%, and this number seems to be dropping as the virus is naturally attenuating itself through the population. It would be a great shame to vaccinate the entire population against a virus with this low of a fatality rate, especially considering the considerable risk presented by ADE. I believe this risk of developing ADE in a vaccinated individual will be much greater than 0.26%, and, therefore, the vaccine stands to make the problem worse, not better. It would be the biggest blunder of the century to see the fatality rate of this virus increase in the years to come because of our sloppy, haphazard, rushed efforts to develop a vaccine with such a low threshold of safety testing and the prospect of ADE lurking in the shadows.”

370093 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Pebbles, #789 of 2137 🔗

Please also study the guy’s credentials … Yes he believes in God, but all Americans do. …

Err, what ?

369912 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #790 of 2137 🔗

Zoe update

R unchanged at 0.74

daily new infections less than 50% of the peak

infectious in society 20% down from peak

369949 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 4, #791 of 2137 🔗

And I haven’t spotted any evidence of the Imperial early January spike in the Zoe data. The thing I find especially reassuring is that the decline on Zoe has occurred whilst no one is paying even scant regard for the lockdown. Factor in that everything is diminishing in Sweden as well and it does look as though herd immunity is very close.

369914 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #792 of 2137 🔗

Latest ‘covid deaths’ 7-day moving average:

UK – 1182 18.2 per million

Germany – 863 10.4 per million

Sweden – 20 1.9 per million

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany

370045 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 2, #793 of 2137 🔗

Unfortunately, the figures are bollocks – to use a key statistical term.

370132 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to rockoman, #794 of 2137 🔗

The Swedish figures on worldometers look a bit off to me. I’ve kept an eye them for a while and they always show a sharp drop in the last month. It looks like they are reporting the actual date of death so it will always take some time to get the true total number of deaths on a particular day due to reporting delays. If we look at late December when most of the reports should have come in Sweden shows about 90 deaths per day which is about 9 per million .

A direct comparison with UK and Germany is difficult I think due to comparing apples and oranges (those figures are the date the death is reported). A rough comparison of your numbers for the UK and Germany with my number for Sweden still certainly doesn’t support the idea that severe lockdowns are effective.

369917 p02099003, 3, #795 of 2137 🔗

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/shocking-figures-reveal-least-one-4910182 the shocking figures are that one “CoViD19” patient has died every day for the past 3 months, i.e. 90

369918 neilhartley, 21, #796 of 2137 🔗

“Except of course every time we’ve locked down – in March, November and January – it can readily be seen from the data that new infections were falling before the restrictions came in. Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance?”
BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT IT TO!! FFS NONE OF THIS IS TO DO WITH A VIRUS. I AM SO TIRED OF ALL OF THIS SHIT. THE DATA IS THERE TO SUPPORT A NARRATIVE OF RELEASING LOCKDOWNS BUT THEY DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT!

369924 iainclark, replying to iainclark, 21, #797 of 2137 🔗

It’s no mystery why Sumption has been attacked so hard. As one of the most distinguished and effective critics of lockdowns he’s public enemy number one for the fanatics, the “any collateral damage is ok to extend the life of one elderly unwell person” advocates.

369994 ▶▶ Mark, replying to iainclark, 5, #798 of 2137 🔗

He committed the crime of reviving the issue the panickers thought had been silenced forever back when panic first won its crucial victory in Feb/March, and the core concepts of herd immunity and cost/benefit were hysterically hounded out of elite discourse as supposedly “putting money ahead of lives” and being “eugenics” and “far right” etc.

Of course, fundamental truths can only be suppressed for so long, but all the more need to clamp down hard on any elite figure daring to raise such dangerous (to the prevailing dogmas) truths.

370175 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to iainclark, #799 of 2137 🔗

yeh, it’s not an argument made in good faith, it’s just a smear, a takedown. just as the Great Barrington scientists have been slandered and insulted. it’s being done to protect the Great Lie.

370280 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to iainclark, #800 of 2137 🔗

Lord Sumption will be fine

369930 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #801 of 2137 🔗

The effectiveness of lockdowns on the spread of endemic viruses, in one image:

369986 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #802 of 2137 🔗

Made me think of Lord Hale’s comments ‘a gilded case is still a cage’, kind of sums up all of our lives.

370019 ▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #803 of 2137 🔗

or this

369933 neilhartley, 7, #804 of 2137 🔗

Similarly, George Michael’s piece on false positives buggering up the NHS. Duh! That’s been obvious for months. 89% of ‘positive’ tests being false came from Carl Hennigan last summer and was reported to the government in early June. THEY DON’T WANT TO KNOW! Build back better blah blah bs bs. There is no desire in government to end this charade.

369935 Ross Hendry, 2, #805 of 2137 🔗

Here’s a clip selection from a remarkable 1979 Pandemic Sci-Fi

movie

https://youtu.be/etekvGN4R_g

The full movie is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOjDL2FX0_8 [To get subtitles: click settings, click subtitles, click German (autogenerated) – click it again when it reappears – click Autotranslate, click English.]

369940 Ewan Duffy, 2, #806 of 2137 🔗

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6436074/coronavirus-creche-places-essential-workers-fees-roderic-ogorman/

The poor diddums thought that the guberment would pay their creche fees while they stayed at home.

369946 chaos, 7, #807 of 2137 🔗

My area has just been given new dustbins.. they took away the normal size dustbin, the size of bin that has always been in my near 50 years.. now it is half the size. Not joking. Might even be less than half. Living on my own, I can just about make that work… but families?

Build Back Greta

369954 Mike, replying to Mike, 2, #808 of 2137 🔗
369970 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mike, 4, #809 of 2137 🔗

It’s an above the line piece today. WHO’d have thought that a positive case is not a case unless accompanied by clinical diagnosis after all?

369956 nickbowes, 7, #810 of 2137 🔗

If say in early 2017, Trump Jnr had a laptop “allegedly” like Hunter`s – would the Daily Mail have described him as just “the troubled son of the President”.

369958 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #811 of 2137 🔗

“Only go out if it’s absolutely necessary and if you bend the rules, people will die” ( more emotional blackmail).
Strange that in the high street in the 3rd smallest town in Shropshire, I was stuck in a traffic jam for 5 to 10 minutes this morning; must be all the people stopping at home so others won’t die.

369961 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #812 of 2137 🔗

They all speak as if we couldn’t possibly know that well over 99 per cent of us are at no risk whatsoever. Still, I suppose 99 per cent of the population are dimwits (or seem to be) so they may be justified.

370021 ▶▶ paologrigio, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #813 of 2137 🔗

This “people will die” thing is bullshit isn’t it? And actually easy to refute along basic probability lines:
Say 500k people visit a supermarket daily (3.5m a week, seems plausible). They all come into contact with say 20 people (again, a guess but I think plausible?). That’s actually 10 million contacts a day, in a place where social distancing is not easy, where a number don’t wear masks, & where people touch surfaces regularly. Add to that, the amount of other contacts in workplaces & schools that still go on. Millions & millions daily. Yet 1000+ daily deaths (if you believe that).

Some may say “ah yes, but it’s the masks & social distancing!”. Ok clever clogs, how come the vast majority of deaths occur in care homes & hospitals – places with the most stringent mask wearing & infection control methods?

Given that millions & millions of contacts DON’T result in deaths (basic probability), we could at the very least get rid of the most draconian measures that are causing the bulk of the collateral damage.

370222 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to paologrigio, #814 of 2137 🔗

Computer says no.
With apologies to Little Britain.

369960 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 10, #815 of 2137 🔗

I still feel like it’s all about relentless lockdown until we have a new world currency system in place, replacing the Dollar.

China, UN, most countries backed the idea in 2010.
I imagine Trump was in the way of progressing it.

Viral crisis (false flag/chaos –> lockdown (as long as necessary, spew out more excuses) –> wealth transfer (Gates buys farmland & install CBDC, International Clearing Union (IMF/WorldBank), SDR –> release lockdown –> tell the plebs.

Out of Chaos comes order.

2010
https://thenewamerican.com/world-leaders-attack-us-dollar/

2016 article by Prof Varoufakis:

http://www.thebigresetblog.com/index.php/varoufakis-imagining-a-new-bretton-woods/

I reckon Schwab is a frontman offering distraction and obsfuscation along with nuggets of truth amongst his crazy utterings.

Kristalina Georgieva moved from World Bank to IMF in Oct 2019, she features in Great reset blurb and IMF ‘new Bretton Woods’ article.

370011 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 12, #816 of 2137 🔗

No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. The great reset, whatever it actually turns out to be, is unlikely to work on 7 billion people.

370304 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #817 of 2137 🔗

In Wag The Dog Robert De Niro’s fixer character says “ All combat takes place at night, in the rain, and at the junction of four map segments…”

369963 Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), 7, #818 of 2137 🔗

Pritti threatening harsher measures based on the ICL React study which contradicts all other data – who would have thought it?

369965 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 13, #819 of 2137 🔗

Has the media entirely forgotten about Sweden? I rarely hear it mentioned lately. I keep mentioning Sweden to my parents, but they almost instantly refute the point (without any supporting evidence) and merely state ‘Ah hah, but their cases are going up again!’ completely neglecting the fact the recorded covid cases/deaths is not the only metric to determine the existence of a pandemic. Hello? All-cause mortality? Age graduated mortality rates? Some days I feel like just banging my head against the wall. I expected my parents (one of them a former engineer ffs!) to be smarter than this.

369990 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Vir Cotto, 7, #820 of 2137 🔗

They’ll remember if things can be made to look as it they are going wrong there

The way the media has ignored success stories from elsewhere has been beyond shameful

370013 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 2, #821 of 2137 🔗

Because the media have been encouraging panic and despondency.

370027 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #822 of 2137 🔗

Sweden 7 day moving ave 2744 down from 7137 Dec 23rd.

Source.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

370151 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #823 of 2137 🔗

Intelligence is not a factor. anybody can be brainwashed. IQ doesn’t seem to offer protection, sometimes it just seems to give more material for the brainwashers to work with

370225 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Vir Cotto, #824 of 2137 🔗

Sweden must fail or everyone else got it expensively wrong.

369966 chaos, 9, #825 of 2137 🔗

Furlough to be extended now being reported… a multi-tier universal basic income.. lots for you.. some for you.. none for you.. multiversal basic income..

Build Back Greta

369967 danny, replying to danny, 27, #826 of 2137 🔗

To misquote the song, what a difference a year makes,
Was never a fan of Trump. Arrogant blowhard slum landlord masquerading as a working stiff. But, today I am genuinely sorry to see him go. Biden arrives and on day one sits masked up in his office, pushes for nationwide masking mandate, and rejoins the WHO. Seeing Trump walking around without a mask you realise just how alone he has been as a leader against this crime.

370234 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to danny, 2, #827 of 2137 🔗

Trump exposed a lot about how the world actually works. Democracy and freedom are an illusion. Anybody who upsets the applecart will be vilified.

I wouldn’t say I’m a Trump fan but I probably lean more towards where he stood in the grand scheme of things. What I don’t like is hypocrisy and it is so blatant. As soon as Trump was elected it was all about his illegitimacty and people spent 4 years saying he wasn’t their President. As soon as Biden gets voted in it’s all about building bridges.

The media has shown itself to be little more than a tool for propoganda. Once again highlighted by it’s treatment of Trump. I never really thought about it before but throughout this pandemic the same tactics have been used to distort the truth.

We used to joke about people sleepwalking into a dystopian future but the reality is that many people seem to want it and it can’t happen fast enough for them.

369996 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to nickbowes, 7, #829 of 2137 🔗

They might be starting to row back on the hysteria now that Orange Man Bad is out.

370143 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Waldorf, 1, #830 of 2137 🔗

don’t bet on it. they’re just getting started.

370294 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JaneHarry, #831 of 2137 🔗

I wouldn’t bet on it either but I am a glass is half full type…

370002 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nickbowes, 4, #832 of 2137 🔗

I and a friend assumed the pandemic would disappear if Joe got elected. We just thought it would be in November, forgetting about the lag

369972 dommo, replying to dommo, 1, #833 of 2137 🔗

delete

370023 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to dommo, 8, #834 of 2137 🔗

It’s comical how accurate conspiracy theorists have been getting lately. I remember reading months ago how many were predicting that once Biden came in, the PCR tests would be adjusted to bring down case rates. James Delingpole’s head must be exploding.

369977 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #835 of 2137 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1352137828831002624 This is Kevan McKernan’s take on the WHO document about PCR testing. WHO obviously being scared about Drosten’s protocol and now trying to cover their back but not doing it very successfully . WHO is now passing the buck to the lab. WHO has also started to have test related to symptoms. This is technical difficult thread to read but hope that the abbreviation above captures it. Perhaps the whole presumed asymptomatic transmission is going to unfold?

370271 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, #836 of 2137 🔗

Thanks for this link.

Very interesting especially the increased complexity if any tests will be done by schools (when they reopen). Heads of schools will need to bash this back otherwise they might be liable if parents start managing back.

370474 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #837 of 2137 🔗

So much in that. Thanks. McKernan is so intelligent.

His point that this now looks like internal finger pointing among those who pushed this protocol and testing regime is on the money for me.

369978 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 16, #838 of 2137 🔗

I was interested to read this morning that our great leader Piffle responded to the inauguration of President Kamala and the zombie by saying that “I look forward to working together with them on Coronavirus and Climate Change”. That is all apparently, not trade, not tourism, not defence, not security, nothing but the three C’s. Says it all really doesn’t it?

I think I owe David Icke a profound apology. I laughed heartily at his ideas about the ‘lizard people’, but maybe I was wrong. One of the many things I am not is a botanist, so I really don’t know if a chameleon is a lizard or not, but it is undeniably true now that Piffle is a chameleon. He can change in rapid time from conservative blue to whatever colour brexit is to fascist black to environmental green in the blink of an eye, this makes him a colourful but immensely dangerous leader.

It must be obvious to even Toby now that coronavirus is nothing but a front to the great green agenda just as brexit was a front for getting Piffle into power, and I, along with a lot of others, fell for it. I apologise now, but it is too late for apologies the die has been cast, the future is green, like it or not.

About 50 years ago I was training as a teacher (I dropped out and did something else thank god, but I still remember the teaching practices) even back then the environmental message was being preached into young minds. Not with the same intensity as it is now and certainly without the constant barrage of reinforcement from the BBC et.al. but it was there. Now bearing in mind that I was ‘teaching’ 10 year olds, most of those kids will now be grandparents (a frightening thought for me I assure you) so those kids, their children and their grandchildren have all been fed with the same doctrine throughout their lives. That is 3 generations at least that this has been preached. Is it any wonder it has become so universally accepted and is it any wonder why those who disagree are just going to be pushed aside, we are a minority, but not a minority that anyone is going to sympathise with or fight for, we are alone and we have lost the arguments.

The final straw – the end of the beginning if you like – was when Trump ‘lost’ the American election. All the bricks are now in place and the rebuilding can begin.

So to those who ask “How long will this last?” when referring to lockdowns, masks etc. the answer is that it will stop when the last brick is in place, when “Jerusalem has been built in England’s green and pleasant land”. Though I doubt the proponents of the new order will appreciate that particular phrase, but that is precisely why I choose to use it.

370016 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Old Bill, 8, #839 of 2137 🔗

Sadly, there is no opposition politically and this is not the same bullish nation/people that went through WW2.

370145 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nickbowes, 1, #840 of 2137 🔗

Yes, political opposition has sadlidied.

370123 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Old Bill, 3, #841 of 2137 🔗

one thing which never made sense to me was Piffle’s behaviour after the brexit vote in 2016- what was all that about? remember his rabbit-in-the-headlights act in the first couple of weeks?- he seemed at a loss what to do with his ‘victory’ ; at the time, I thought, ‘so he was never serious about brexit, he was just trying to curry favour with the brexiteers, it was just a ploy to get personal political leverage, he never expected he would actually have to implement the bloody thing’ – and what was that all about with Gove scuppering his leadership bid? – was that Gove helping his mate out of a deep hole when he chickened out? ie, was he actually in cahoots with Boris? – it is as if he is not entirely acting from his own free will, but has been compromised, someone has a hold over him

370142 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #842 of 2137 🔗

The ‘Gove thing’ always puzzled me too Jane. Was he in cahoots with Boris or did he know him for the evil fascist puppet that he is? And will we ever know?

370223 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Old Bill, #843 of 2137 🔗

Gove went to bed on the night of 23rd June and had to be woken at about 4am to be told that Leave at won,

369981 paologrigio, replying to paologrigio, 5, #844 of 2137 🔗

Look at this from gov.uk website. Deaths within 60 days (& sometimes longer) included within the death toll. Add to that, recent admission from WHO regarding inaccuracies of PCR test. So we have a flawed counting method leading to an overstated death count, combined with a flawed testing method leading to an overstated case count. Why is this any different to Blair’s dodgy dossier? Who has got the influence to make something of this?

370135 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to paologrigio, #845 of 2137 🔗

The daily totals seem to still be using the 28 day positive rule. I suspect this 60 day rule is the one going to be used for the ‘grand total’ that they’ve talked about several times before. They’ll use this to try and get to the 500k total predicted by Neil Ferguson.

370253 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Vir Cotto, #846 of 2137 🔗

Wasn’t the 500k total without lockdown? So if they do manage to get to 500k, they will have proved that lockdowns don’t work.

369982 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 14, #847 of 2137 🔗

Lying scamming bastards !!

European virologists get training in 2019, about how to LIE with statistics and create MAXIMUM FEAR. (Full video)

First few seconds see the CONFLICT of interest statement

From 19.45mins in, see Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England VAN TAM sitting in the front row several times. In his second year in the job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMr7AEL0jQ&feature=emb_logo

370003 ▶▶ danny, replying to Andrew K, 5, #848 of 2137 🔗

Thanks for sending. Have seen the first few minutes and looks fascinating so will watch the rest later.

370015 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to danny, 11, #849 of 2137 🔗

What gets me is all the laughing at the jokes about lying to all of us!! This will be used in the court case to hang these people.

370032 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrew K, 5, #850 of 2137 🔗

Let’s hope that the video is preserved for such a time, and doesn’t disappear as so many of them do.

370090 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nymeria, 7, #851 of 2137 🔗

oh, i’ve got it, don’t worry

370071 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew K, 3, #852 of 2137 🔗

I hope they read the comments.

370109 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 10, #853 of 2137 🔗

At around 19 mins he says that people’s ability to find out things on the internet is “extremely dangerous”. Hopefully watching this does prove to be so for the narrative.

370138 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Andrew K, 5, #854 of 2137 🔗

Unbelievable. Did you catch him at around 2 minutes in talking about getting the media on side so they don’t go looking for alternative messages?

370263 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrew K, 3, #855 of 2137 🔗

Well, there you go. Can’t say much as it has all panned out pretty much as described in the jolly PowerPoint presentation.

All shits and giggles, I bet they also had nice sandwiches and a good chance to network and swap ideas.

I also noticed Jean claude van Tam on the front row licking his lips.

369983 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #856 of 2137 🔗

Lockdown Logic: Part 43,001:

My boy’s Uncle manages one of those GAME shops, where they sell, among other things, games for Nintendo, Play Station, etc. Of course, the shop has had to close in line with DA RULZ.

Yet you can walk into any supermarket and buy these same games, headphones, etc.*

Because supermarkets are safe, but smaller shops, where less traffic will occur, are not, innit!

What a marvellous, delightful time to be alive.

The last time I walked past my boy’s Uncle’s closed shop they had a sign in the window thanking the NHS (naturally!) AND the Government for all their hard work in ‘keeping us safe’. This absurd, despicable Government has somehow managed to condition people/businesses to THANK them for strangling/ruining their business. You have to hand it to Government. It is a remarkable feat!

*It simply doesn’t occur to supermarkets to help smaller businesses such as the one in question by closing off access to such items in order to help these businesses/give them a boost in their online/home delivery service. I mean, perish the thought.

370393 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JohnDanny, #857 of 2137 🔗

Wasn’t this chain in administration about 2 years ago?

370558 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Silke David, #858 of 2137 🔗

Not as far as I’m aware.

369984 John P, replying to John P, 25, #859 of 2137 🔗

I saw my parents yesterday evening for tea. I live alone and they are currently my only social contacts (and vice versa).

When I arrived my mother (78) announced that they had that morning had their first covid jabs. My mother seemed a little more relaxed than of late.

She told me that some of their friends had had the jab previously and had had no ill-effects. In particular an 80 year old woman who they know had hers around Christmas.

I don’t think that the jab is dangerous and I don’t expect they will become ill because of it. But I’ll let you know if they do.

I’m more concerned about whether the thing actually works. I think that’s still open to question.

And I while I am not against others having it, I am still wary of it, and I am in no hurry to have it myself.

One other thing. I think the government – for obvious reasons – will find it increeasingly difficult to justify continued restrictions with more and more people having the jab.

People are going to be far less anxious about Covid.

369998 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to John P, 14, #860 of 2137 🔗

Do let us know. My mother (mid 70s) has hers next week.
she says she’s then going to “PAAAAAARTY” (or so her text message said) which is rather alarming. Haven’t the heart to tell her that (1) she may feel pretty lousy after (2) it maybe won’t protect her

370005 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to sophie123, 13, #861 of 2137 🔗

it’s all about that placebo feeling though…

370008 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to sophie123, 14, #862 of 2137 🔗

It is great news that the expectations of a return to normality are there.

How will the vaccinated – and others – react, if and when it becomes clear to them that that is not so?

370036 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to rockoman, 7, #863 of 2137 🔗

I’d be more worried about the answer to that if I was the govt.

370060 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 7, #864 of 2137 🔗

don’t worry, I’m sure our masters have got a plan for that: there’ll be some bullshit story at the ready about a new strain, or about people like us who are putting everyone else at risk by refusing the vaccine, they have seen now that the public are easier to fool than they ever could have hoped, so far it’s been like taking candy from a baby

370009 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to sophie123, 4, #865 of 2137 🔗

My MIL has kept her Christmas turkey in the freezer for when she has her jabs so she can have all the family round for a ‘celebration’.

370065 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #866 of 2137 🔗

it’s pathetic and sad

370001 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 6, #867 of 2137 🔗

The thing is it should be 2 jabs and my understanding is the second jab is the real kicker.

370136 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #868 of 2137 🔗

Yes that’s true. Pfeizer themselves said the second jab was “no walk in the park”

370208 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #869 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t this sound like a good reason to politely decline it?

370026 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 9, #870 of 2137 🔗

One other thing. I think the government – for obvious reasons – will find it increeasingly difficult to justify continued restrictions with more and more people having the jab.
People are going to be far less anxious about Covid.

That’s true.

Unless, of course, something should “come up” and be massively trumpeted in the media to increase people’s fear again. What are the odds, do you think?

Most likely imo either “new variants” or “uncertainties” about vaccine efficacy in controlling spread combined with more of the usual alarmist nonsense about ghoulishly dramatic and/or long term “covid consequences”.

Atm they are treading a careful line between the dangers (to the panickers) of undermining confidence in the vaccine too quickly, when there might be an uncontrollable backlash against the false promises that were made, versus the potential for loss of control in the way you describe. But this is “frog boiling” territory, of course. We have already seen that people quickly get used to “new normal” restrictions, so in due course it will be possible to gently introduce ideas of longer term controls (they have already started doing this).

None of this needs any belief in any overarching “conspiracy”, just recognition that our elites are a bunch of illiberal lying bastards with shared interests in pushing panic atm.

370034 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 5, #871 of 2137 🔗

They like the power and lack of scrutiny. But it will come to an end

370059 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #872 of 2137 🔗

I thought for a long time they knew it was nonsense were looking for a way out but too cowardly to take the sensible way out so waited for vaccine

Now we have the vaccine they don’t appear to want to use that as a way out either

So now I think they either actually believe the madness or are following some evil agenda of their own or someone else’s making

Now more than ever the future lies in the hands of the people

370243 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to John P, #873 of 2137 🔗

But will they still be less anxious if the govt tell them that the vaccine doesn’t in fact work very well?

370363 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, #874 of 2137 🔗

If it doesn’t work, that’s enough of a concern to be injecting any drug.

However, I am in the same position as you. My mother and father will be looking to get theirs soon. I can only hope the BBC tells them it might not help very much soon. My opinion is of less value to them it seems

369985 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 17, #875 of 2137 🔗

A guy just rang up Talkradio talking about the Great Reset.saying the plan is to get rid of cars/private property/travel/jobs etc etc…

Mike Graham just shrugged it off and chuckled?…this is how our mainstream media is responding to this massive HOAX

370033 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Luckyharry69, -8, #876 of 2137 🔗

Shrugged it off because it’s nonsense.

370041 ▶▶▶ paologrigio, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #877 of 2137 🔗

Nick it’s definitely not about a virus though.

370051 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #878 of 2137 🔗

Good luck with that thought

370062 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #879 of 2137 🔗

I hope we are in the same concentration camp together Nick…we have a good laugh about the old times

370126 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #880 of 2137 🔗

The great reset is very real. It’s a genuine agenda. The question is, how much of our current situation is related to it – none at all, a little bit, or entirely? I suspect it’s somewhere in the middle. Powerful opportunist individuals grasping for more power and control, seeing this as a pathway to implement their ideologies.

370202 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #881 of 2137 🔗

I agree. I’m not a conspiracy theorist but there is no doubt there is a clear agenda from some very rich and powerful people to change the social and economic landscape and that it is influencing politics worldwide. Just the fact that political leaders of different countries and different political parties are all using the same phrase tells you that. Where people will have different opinions is on how much of that is planned or opportunistic, how much influence it is having, and what the ultimate motivations are.

370077 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #882 of 2137 🔗

Truth, hoax, nonsense, theory, lockdowns, modelling etc etc whatever it is they’re going to struggle and fail to perpetuate this approach once we reach the promised land of vaccine rolled out to the vulnerable and spring – the quiet majority will vote with their actions.

370231 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #883 of 2137 🔗

When Mike Graham had his first interview with Peter Hitchens on the coronavirus issue, he rejected everything Hitchens said, constantly talked over him and made it plain that Hitchens was completely wrong.

371457 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Steve Hayes, #884 of 2137 🔗

Mike Graham is classic controlled opposition I’m afraid.

370006 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 13, #885 of 2137 🔗

Yet more Build Back Better.

Wake up everyone. The NGOs (non-government organisations) like the WHO and WEF are running the show. Governments everywhere are simply the puppets, we need to be focusing on who is pulling the strings.

370028 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Joseph, -6, #886 of 2137 🔗

More likely to be the other way round. Govts have the money, not NGOs such as WEF and WHO, UN, etc.

370035 ▶▶▶ Joseph, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #887 of 2137 🔗

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is actually the second biggest funding source for the WHO.

370113 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Joseph, 2, #888 of 2137 🔗

I don’t get this build back better nonsense. I mean, let’s say there is no conspiracy here – what rational reason is there that world leaders and politicians around the world would be using the exact same turn of phrase? A ‘great reset’ conspiracy theorist will say this is the proof that a bigger plan is afoot (and maybe they’re right, at least in part). I am sure there is even more radical conspiracy theorists about this too. Aliens even! Heh, gotta love them aliens.

But let’s get some attempts at rational thinking before jumping off the cliff. After all, we often accuse the enemy camp of jumping to conclusions based on nothing more than conjecture and bad mathematical modelling. We’re kinda doing the same thing by assuming everything is tied to the great reset simply because of a phrase and their associations with the WEF.

I have to admit though, it’s pretty ominous and oozes conspiracy when everyone keeps repeating this line like somekind of mindless drones. What fresh hell is this..

370129 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #889 of 2137 🔗

I think you are right. Our corrupt Govt seem to be pulling all the stops out to implement the WEF – however, they are failing and will fail. I don’t think it’s an international conspiracy. I think for countries with Tin Pot Dictators like the UK and France (Macron) it’s the pursuit of pure, unadulterated power and money, no more no less. That will be their downfall.

370139 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #890 of 2137 🔗

We did Brexit just to be dumped on by Davos it seems !

370490 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #891 of 2137 🔗

Cross reference the IMF, Kristalina Georgieva (ex-WorldBank, now IMF), her ‘new Bretton Woods’ speech and her appearance on the WEF Great Reset.

Not a conspiracy that there are connections.
What they actually have in store is unclear though.

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/10/15/sp101520-a-new-bretton-woods-moment

Maybe global currency reset plus more.

370130 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Joseph, 2, #892 of 2137 🔗

Why is it a historic victory?

370007 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 14, #893 of 2137 🔗

When will people join the dots?

370018 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Joseph, 22, #894 of 2137 🔗

he’s misspelt ‘promise’, its spelt ‘profit’

370012 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #895 of 2137 🔗

I am told that the contract for providing security at the main Covid testing station has been extended to 2023.

Of more pressing concern Wilkies has run out of wallpaper.
Panic buying home improvements, who would have thought it?

370031 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to karenovirus, 6, #896 of 2137 🔗

Corn pop biden wants to “open” America so clown Boros will have to sell the tory toxic brand at next GE of a ticket of destroying the hopes of our young and aspiring in the name of a f*** hoax..

370098 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to nickbowes, 2, #897 of 2137 🔗

I thought that 20 states including Florida were already open. They listened to Ioannidis and Levitt.

370105 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to John001, 2, #898 of 2137 🔗

Yes true – but that still is Donald`s America !

370040 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to karenovirus, 3, #899 of 2137 🔗

Are hardware still stores still open in the UK? They were closed during Stage 4 lockdown in Melbourne it was illegal for tradies to work unless it was an emergency. People kept bleating about the mixed messages with hardware stores being open so they closed them to the public.

370054 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 3, #900 of 2137 🔗

Yes, still open here

Builders can work – it’s about the only thing left for people to spend their money on

370057 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Caramel, 1, #901 of 2137 🔗

Wilkies sort of replaced Woolworths in some towns, they sell some food lines so remained open during lockdown .1

Hardware stores large and small are open this time I suppose because keeping the housing stock in order is seen as essential during a much extended lockdown.

370154 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 2, #902 of 2137 🔗

I told my local gym they should install supermarket shelves in between the equipment
Should have listened to me

370084 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Caramel, 3, #903 of 2137 🔗

no. most stores that are not food/chemist are closed due to lockdown 4. Of course all the supermarkets are open and most have large hardware sections

370020 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #904 of 2137 🔗

This joke is going to get me in a lot of trouble but it’s worth it to make a point:

If you remove all logic and reasoning from a man what you are left with is a woman

The joke is that women tend to be more emotional than men to such an extent that they lack logic and reasoning.

Ignoring gender altogether we can say that to be more logical you necessarily need to remove yourself from emotion. Think along the lines of Spock in Star Trek.

When Lord Sumption makes a logical argument it is technically correct that he cares less than somebody who relies on emotion. It is therefore not hard for an emotional person to say the logical person doesn’t care as much as they do.

It is possible to go too far in either direction. Those who have no emotion could be described as psychopaths or simply uncaring. Those who have no logic or reasoning are women (I couldn’t resist) irrational.

I would argue that many in the scientific community are too far towards the logic end of the spectrum. I can imagine that many of them would have been inquisitors or witchfinders and would justify abominable acts of cruelty in the name of logic and for the greater good.

The strange thing is that the general populous would tend to be more towards the emotional side of the scale. Hence we end up with a situation whereby decisions made are based on logic and reasoning but the message given to the public is one based on emotion.

So those with some logic will look at the messaging and notice that it is often illogical.

370042 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #905 of 2137 🔗

This joke is going to get me in a lot of trouble

What decent women would say in response to your joke:

I don’t like your joke but I will defend to the death your right to make it.And to make my own back at you.

What many women today, including most in politics and positions vulnerable to the woke mob will say:

That’s a disgracefully sexist piece of offensive hate speech and a person like you who would say it should have no place in the public square and ideally no employment. By the way, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.

370183 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, 1, #906 of 2137 🔗

Don’t know if you remember the ad used for a car (Renault Megane I think) with the slogan: ‘If this car was a woman you would pinch its bottom’ – on which someone wrote ‘If this woman was a car, she would run you over’. I second that opinion..

370269 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, -1, #907 of 2137 🔗

I’m not clear from your comment whether you are advocating grievous bodily harm and attempted murder as an appropriate response to making a jocular “sexist” comment in the advert, or to the minor assault described in the joke.

Though obviously if the response is viewed as similarly humourous to the original joke, then that’s fine.

370207 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 2, #908 of 2137 🔗

They no longer use the term sexist; the contemporary preferred term is misogynist.

370338 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #909 of 2137 🔗

My resistance to wokeism dates back a very long way….

370043 ▶▶ jos, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #910 of 2137 🔗

AI is pure logic therefore psychopathic hence the fear for humanity as we move towards a technocracy

370047 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #911 of 2137 🔗

In the not distant future that joke will get you in jail, I kid you not!!

370188 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Andrew K, -2, #912 of 2137 🔗

Why are you doing this? Why are you trying to set the sexes up against each other? It’s not smart and it’s not funny and it’s got nothing to do with any of the far more important issues to discuss here. You’re either a paid dissenter or a dyed-in-the-wool misogynist and either way an irrelevance in the dark days we’re facing ..

370284 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, 1, #913 of 2137 🔗

More likely imo he’s someone rightly concerned at the growth in intolerance of dissent and the spread of illiberal “hate speech” and related laws. As such the opposite of an irrelevance.

Doubtless when the “hate speech” and “offence” laws are extended formally to include “irresponsibly dangerous” speech such as “covid denial” and “anti-vax opinions”, you might become concerned yourself, but it will be way too late by then.

370517 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to jos, #914 of 2137 🔗

I’m not doing anything Jos, just pointing out that any talk outside of the new woke narrative will probably end you up in jail, where the fuck have you been the past 10 years. I’m not agreeing to any of this, but my opinion, nor yours will count for nothing where you are told what to think.

370074 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #915 of 2137 🔗

When Lord Sumption makes a logical argument it is technically correct that he cares less than somebody who relies on emotion. It is therefore not hard for an emotional person to say the logical person doesn’t care as much as they do .”

I see the point you are making here, but is it actually true?

My counter would be that Sumption is not less caring (emotional), just more rational in his caring.

What he is saying is not that “less valuable” lives don’t matter at all (the “less caring” position), but rather that in a world of uncertainty and limited resources, the optimal result is obtained by applying reasoned rationing to those resources.

“to be more logical you necessarily need to remove yourself from emotion. Think along the lines of Spock in Star Trek.

I think this is as incorrect now as it was when the Star Trek scriptwriters put it into the mouth of their character. If you remove yourself from emotion you are, as you suggested, no longer human. The point about reason is that it requires control of emotion, not its absence.

In the specific case of Star Trek, it’s remarkable how reluctant they were to honestly explore where a genuine supposedly emotionless rationality would have taken a Spock character. most of his behaviour as far as I recall (apart from a few played for laughs trivia) relied upon carefully rationalising his positions to ensure they ended up acceptable to the program’s goals. (I can’t recall to what extent they used his being iirc half human to justify that).

370089 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mark, 1, #916 of 2137 🔗

You’re right. The person is not necessarily less caring but the argument is being made from a less caring position on the scale.

370094 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #917 of 2137 🔗

From an apparently less caring position…

370141 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Mark, 4, #918 of 2137 🔗

I agree Mark. He used a rational argument that is well-founded in law and practice (NHS/NICE guidelines etc). He is a great intellect, but, likely plays no games. There are many people in this whole saga who are the exact opposite – poor intellects playing politics, and sadly for us, we are all going to suffer the consequences.

370180 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #919 of 2137 🔗

The trouble is, he plays the wrong game. He’s used to the legal game in which calmness and reasoned analysis is highly prized, but here he is playing the politics game, which has different rules and rewards only the appearance of reasoned analysis, and then only provided it applies the correct premises and fallacies to conform to elite ideology.

That said, it’s up to our skilled political players to protect and to exploit in this game his skills from that other game.

370088 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #920 of 2137 🔗

You’re right, you’re in deep do-do. Your dinner is in the dog and you’re in the doghouse.

370091 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, #921 of 2137 🔗

Wait a minute…. I recognise that joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBz0BTb83H8

I would say though that Emotion Trumps Reason is an equal opportunities employer.

370120 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #922 of 2137 🔗

I am told frequently (by Mr TT) that I am ‘on the spectrum’ and hence, unusual for a woman. I have a scientific background, like he does, and my moniker on here is a name used (behind my back) by former male colleagues. On the Simon Baron-Cohen autism test, I do not come out on the autism spectrum, incidentally, unlike Mr TT!

I agree with you that many women are illogical, and act with an over-reliance on emotion. I have been known to tell several of them in various settings that a ‘good slap’ was what they needed. That said, most of the protagonists in this saga, both politicians and ‘scientists’ have not been acting rationally. Indeed, I would argue that most, if not all, of the ‘scientists’ are not only demonstrably second division in their analysis, but political in their motivations.

371064 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nobody2021, #923 of 2137 🔗

Where is your evidence to back up this assertion? “ women tend to be more emotional than men to such an extent that they lack logic and reasoning”

and why did you feel it necessary to make your point on logic vs emotion?

As a female scientist who got much higher marks than all the men on my degree course (and all the women too for that matter), which had no emotional content whatsoever and was based entirely on logic and reason, combined with good subject matter knowledge, I find it extremely offensive. Not to mention, lacking evidence, illogical and somewhat emotional.

371438 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to sophie123, #924 of 2137 🔗

You know a joke is not an assertion right? It’s a joke and doesn’t need to be fact based to meet the definition of a joke. They’re not meant to be taken seriously.

I can’t imagine you’d be much fun at a comedy show.

370025 Pete Goulding, replying to Pete Goulding, 2, #925 of 2137 🔗

Typical. Came across the Jeremy Vine Show whilst making lunch and happened to listen to a microbiologist guest from Reading. Didnt really take that much notice but what I did alarm me is the blatant one-sided selection of listener contributions all, and with no exception blaming the Christmas relaxation for the increase of deaths and infections. As many will know the format of the JV show is to have opposing views, but no not on this occasion. Yet another example of a clear narrative and opinion being pushed forward!

370275 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Pete Goulding, 1, #926 of 2137 🔗

Why would anyone think a listener has anything of note to contribute?

370361 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Pete Goulding, #927 of 2137 🔗

Well the BBC rooted around themselves for a spike and couldn’t find it
Did we see a Christmas coronavirus spike? – BBC News

And you can be sure they tried their hardest

370030 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #928 of 2137 🔗

Even Prof Balloux, who reluctantly accepted this “vaccine” induced latest lockdown(like the Spectator Tories) seems a bit disappointed by Israel’s vaccination result.See link below. Israel had 10 000 “cases” yesterday and also a record of C-19 deaths five weeks into the campaign. UAE is also following Israel in heavy vaccination had also record numbers C-19 also yesterday. Israel is also using the required two dose regime. What is going to happen with UK one dose regime? The government must be terrified looking at Israel really targeting the elderly. They can hope for the natural decline of UK cases but will it still have big deaths following in the elderly completely unmitigated with a one dose modification of an experimental vaccine?

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1352133827913805825

370038 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 4, #929 of 2137 🔗

The vaccine can apparently cause people to test positive. I would imagine after some investigation the message will be that we shouldn’t worry as much about positive tests as we have done before.

370046 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #930 of 2137 🔗

The trouble is that if you don’t use “cases” to measure success then what do you use?

Deaths and serious illness directly attributable to covid would be the sensible optoion, but the tossers have NO IDEA what the real numbers are for either of these categories

370061 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 4, #931 of 2137 🔗

A cynical view would be that the more messy the data the easier it will be to defend a position in any future inquiries.

370078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, #932 of 2137 🔗

Unless that position is on lockdowns.

370076 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #933 of 2137 🔗

WHO are already saying positive only after a second test and presenting with symptoms.

370219 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #934 of 2137 🔗

It’s only taken them a year to realise that you can’t have a disease without any symptoms.

370049 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #935 of 2137 🔗

Did I read this correctly?

There’s an opportunity for Lockdown Sceptics readers to get involved in important research putting the different types of COVID-19 tests to the test.

I despair!

370073 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #936 of 2137 🔗

I don’t know, if there is a chance this could illuminate the fraudulent testing then I would do it if it was nearby. On the other hand, if the results go as expected, it will be sent directly to the MSM memory black-hole.

370198 ▶▶ AB, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #937 of 2137 🔗

It’s an intersting idea.

But to make it worth while IMO they would need another say 500 volunteers.
This second cohort wouldn’t be physically swabbed for the PCR test. Just put the unused swab in the test tube and send them off to the lab for testing.

Then see what proportion of unused swabs come back positive from both sets of labs

370246 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, #938 of 2137 🔗

I despair!

Indeed.

The more tests the more draconian measures and lockdowns.

We all know that these tests should be used together with other facts such as symptoms and that Ct cycles must be reduced to the prescribed levels

370339 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #939 of 2137 🔗

There is something not being discussed about lateral flow. It targets a gene that is based on the sequencing from the PCR protocols. The PCR targets three genes, the LF one. That’s one reason why LF supposedly picks up less positives, its not as sensitive.

However, if you read some of the criticisms of Dorsten’s Eurosurvelliance paper, you’ll see this sequencing was especially loose. We are essentially building on a very shaky base here. There is this assumption that the protocol for PCR was solid, how true is that? I suppose the retraction response will help

You simply cannot do mass screening with tests that do not give high quality results – period. You are forcing restrictions on people, hundreds of thousands at a time, how may very well not be infectious.

Even at an individual level, you better have a very good level of proof before saying I am danger to anyone, and locking me down on that basis.

370055 danny, replying to danny, 7, #940 of 2137 🔗

Restaurants should not reopen before May. MAY? Guessing that means cinemas and theatres and museums and theme parks and…….
And school should will get two weeks notice but hopefully before Easter.
Bastards.

370064 ▶▶ Julian, replying to danny, 11, #941 of 2137 🔗

My current prediction is reopening of things on a limited basis for summer months as virus is seasonal, then back to same shit next autumn/winter

Minimum level of restrictions will be Tier 2 so masks, distancing, no wet pubs, no private socialising, no crowds etc etc

370075 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 7, #942 of 2137 🔗

We’ve not even completed the 2 weeks to crush the curve yet. Just need to be patient lol

370101 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 6, #943 of 2137 🔗

yes, this is the worry. its endemic and if they keep testing for it they will keep shitting themselves over it. its lockdowns forever (apart from a few summer months) unless the entire approach is binned

370169 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 2, #944 of 2137 🔗

Are they really shitting themselves or just pretending?

370425 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #945 of 2137 🔗

then back to same shit next autumn/winter”

That’s my worry. One interpretation of what we have seen – sometimes just characterised simply as cock-up – is the experimental development of a strategy that allows totalitarian thought-control to be turned on like a tap or press of a button.

370069 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to danny, 10, #946 of 2137 🔗

Sat January 30th. Open up day. Defy the pig dictator.

370072 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to danny, 3, #947 of 2137 🔗

Which year?

370066 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #948 of 2137 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55746293

Glastonbury Festival 2021 axed due to coronavirus

370086 ▶▶ Will, replying to stefarm, 11, #949 of 2137 🔗

It is an ill wind… delighted that the BBC won’t get their license fee funded jolly for another year.

370107 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Will, 5, #950 of 2137 🔗

And what about the gloom that this will bring to John Snow’s heart! {Assuming he has one}.

370133 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to iane, 4, #951 of 2137 🔗

Entertaining to see all the zealots putting up tear emojis!!!!

370291 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to stefarm, 2, #952 of 2137 🔗

Great news at last

370319 ▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, #953 of 2137 🔗

May as well get my deposits back…

370068 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 15, #954 of 2137 🔗

Waiting for Boris to announce the flooding is due to a ‘new variant’ of rain. 70% wetter!

370080 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to eastender53, 11, #955 of 2137 🔗

We can surround the entire island with sandbags full of of SAGE bullshit. It might smell bad, but we’ll be safe, and there’s plenty to go around..

370095 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to eastender53, 4, #956 of 2137 🔗

I propose 2 solutions:

  1. Nobody ever leaves their house so they can never get wet, this doesn’t solve the flooding issue though
  2. Make a giant umbrella that covers the whole of the UK so all the rain simply goes into the sea/ocean

In practical terms I think option 2 is better.

370148 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to eastender53, 2, #957 of 2137 🔗

New variant of water brought in from Evian

370206 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to eastender53, 3, #958 of 2137 🔗

Anyone with a house on a known floodplain must leave by midnight tomorrow and be homeless forever. It’s the only way to prevent flood-related damage and death.

Everyone, no matter where they live (even if you live on the peak of Ben Nevis), must have a lifeboat primed and ready to leave their house at any time. £10,000 fine for anyone found not to be complying. Your lifeboat must be securely tethered in full view outside your house at all times, neighbours are encouraged to report any transgressions.

Life jackets, obviously, will be mandatory at all times, no exceptions. I wear my life jacket to protect you. You wear one to protect me!

As part of this package of measures, we must all leave our taps on at all times to try to use up some of the extra water. The cost doesn’t matter. If you don’t do it, you’re killing people.

Come the summer droughts, you will also have killed people by using up all the water, but that’s OK because only flood-related deaths are important.

If the water mutates, we will all have to live on boats forever.

370079 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #959 of 2137 🔗

What we see happening with Lord Sumption is, unfortunately, the eternal issue with conservatories and the right in general. We tend to be reasonable, say things honestly as they are, be cold, calculating, and direct. Which is what Lord Sumption did when he said what he said. It was all technically true. Unfortunately, most people are not reasonable. They don’t react to what you say, they react to what they think you said and what they assume you must be assuming. So a factual statement gets twisted through the lens of feelings.

The left doesn’t have this problem. They express things through feelings, and the way things appear is more important to them than the way things are. So they will lie as long as they think the perceived message produces the feelings they’re looking for. I believe that this is the principal reason why the left keeps wining the public opinion race, despite having history and reality against them.

370137 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #960 of 2137 🔗

It does presuppose that winning public opinion based on using emotive and often specious arguments is worth doing. In the short term perhaps, but when the collective hysteria dissipates, there is usually a back lash and a demand for the truth which destroys any temporary gains.

370167 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Kat, 1, #961 of 2137 🔗

The obvious counter argument is “Enabling Acts” in all the forms they have been used through history.

Once power has been gained and precedents set, it’s often easy to ride out any backlash, or even demonise it in turn and double down by painting the backlash as a threat (see what was and is being done to Trump supporters) .

370173 ▶▶ jos, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #962 of 2137 🔗

Mmm – if the left keep winning the public opinion vote, as you suggest, why do they keep losing the elections? This is unscientific crap that you’re spouting. Maybe a good way of thinking about ‘left-wing’ policies is this: if you woke up tomorrow in a world where you had nothing, no home, no support, no chance of getting yourself out of the gutter, would you rather be living in a society where everyone just cares about themselves or one in which other people will try to help you? If it’s the second, then why wouldn’t you want that kind of society just in case one day you might need that help?And the way things are going, there might be a hell of a lot of us in the gutter in no time at all and this government and the people who voted Tory and still have their jobs – they won’t be looking out for you.

370189 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to jos, 1, #963 of 2137 🔗

The left keep loosing elections because Beijing Joe had the monopoly on the Dominion voting machines for the US elections. Dont’t worry he will make sure they are delivered by May 6th.

370298 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Burlington, 1, #964 of 2137 🔗

Yes now that we have a right wing Labour leader with the same agenda as the most fascist Tory saying ‘Lock down harder, Boris’ .. now they’ll let them win.

370344 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jos, 1, #965 of 2137 🔗

Well, it’s possible politics are just one enormous put-up job to distract us all.

370512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to awildgoose, #966 of 2137 🔗

As succinctly put by Mr Roger Daltrey
“Meet the new boss .. same as the old boss”
(Wont get fooled again)

370244 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, 1, #967 of 2137 🔗

if the left keep winning the public opinion vote, as you suggest, why do they keep losing the elections?

They don’t, they keep winning them, in effect if not in name. Mostly because the supposed alternative party shares their opinions in almost everything important and only pretends to disagree in order to be able to take non-left votes.

a good way of thinking about ‘left-wing’ policies is this: if you woke up tomorrow in a world where you had nothing, no home, no support, no chance of getting yourself out of the gutter, would you rather be living in a society where everyone just cares about themselves or one in which other people will try to help you ?”

This is based on the Rawls nonsense, combined with a bit of “nice=left” fantasy.

In fact the core left/right distinction is not about rich/poor or helping the unfortunate or foolish (most only disagree on who deserves help and how that should best be done), but about whether you are a utopian radical or a conservative.

370285 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #968 of 2137 🔗

The “Original Position”, yes. Anyway; I read your last line, and immediately, rather than words, comes the thought of Christopher Hitchens…..

370479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #969 of 2137 🔗

Always preferred his brother tbh.

370311 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, #970 of 2137 🔗

It’s not about ‘nice’ – it’s about humane. It’s about empathy. This government is psychopathic and has no empathy which is why they don’t care about what’s happening to the majority of the people in this country and half of the world locked down not in big houses with gardens to get out in but in cramped conditions and urban blight. And, quite clearly, they don’t care.

370334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, 1, #971 of 2137 🔗

Senior politicians are indeed mostly without empathy, but that’s not a left/right issue. It’s as true of Corbyn as it is of Johnson or Starmer. They just have different ways of pretending to feel it, and different pretended worthy targets for their pretend empathy.

371125 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mark, #972 of 2137 🔗

Sir,

Are you really Jacob Rees-Mogg? I mean no offence but I read your posts in his voice.

371219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #973 of 2137 🔗

No, I’m not, but feel free to imagine my posts in whatever voice you like. But don’t assume such imagined similarities mean anything. I suspect he’d be appalled at being associated with most of my opinions, and quite possibly the reverse would be true as well, though I don’t really know much about him or his personal views.

He is though, whatever his views on other matters, one of the Coronapanic Guilty Men.

370422 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jos, #974 of 2137 🔗

I’m afraid we have another of those obsessive diversions from the issues – doing the 77th Brigade’s job by indulging in sectarian hobby-horse riding that puts personal obsessions above the need for a targeted opposition to a common concern.

370588 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to jos, #975 of 2137 🔗

“… why do the Left keep losing elections?” They don’t – they just won arguably the most important election in the history of mankind.

370412 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #976 of 2137 🔗

Yadda yadda yadda.

So this right wing government that has started this – enforcing masking, lockdown etc. – has done so because it is inherently ‘reasonable’ and stays away from emotive propaganda?

Nothing like ideological blindness for inducing involuntary self-abuse!

370085 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #977 of 2137 🔗

I need to stay off the lockdown lover twitter feeds. Dip in now and again to see where they are at. I’ve learned today that they are calling for a public inquiry into the management of Covid in the UK. Not because we’ve been using a PCR tests to drive fear into the heart of citizens, but because they think Boris Johnson has been pursuing some kind of herd immunity strategy and has repeatedly refused to lockdown “properly”. It’s absolutely astounding acceptance of the narrative. I envisage a time in the Summer where both sides have marches in London calling for the exact same thing. Just on different days and for different reasons. Mental.

Seen this also doing the rounds.

370134 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #978 of 2137 🔗

I think that the government and SAGE are in an impossible situation. They have chosen a path that essentially requires them to carry on that path nomatter what.

The most sensible approach would have been to say there will be deaths but we will manage it.

Instead they chose to say that all actions are necessary because we wouldn’t be able to manage. Even one case becomes unmanageable due to exponential spread. We have to save as many lives as possible with no limits set thus setting the default endpoint at zero deaths.

It truly is a problem of their own making.

370144 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #979 of 2137 🔗

The roads seem pretty busy so this is the most feeble lockdown imaginable

370179 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #980 of 2137 🔗

It is revealing that the graphic equates reality with opinion rather than fact.

370233 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #981 of 2137 🔗

Unfortunately if there is ever a public inquiry it will be solely on why the government didn’t lock down harder/quicker/stricter and not about how they’ve essentially used fear to push forward an authoritarian agenda. The public enquiry will be about why we couldn’t be New Zealand or China.

I think its unlikely that we’ll ever get a big public inquiry at all. The government has won, there is no need for one.

370276 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Ricky1, 2, #982 of 2137 🔗

The government will set the terms for the public enquiry which will determine the outcome.

370087 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #983 of 2137 🔗

Prediction: the Ivermectin study will lead nowhere because there is way too much money exchanging hands for a cheap existing drug to be allowed on the stage.

370104 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #984 of 2137 🔗

Going to be pretty hard to ignore it now that many poorer nations are recommending it’s usage. If their death tolls start coming right down, it’s going to lead to questions being asked.

370111 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chicot, 1, #985 of 2137 🔗

the pharma companies wont be happy until we are handing over 1/4 of our salaries for jabs. and the government want to mandate it.

I suggest the government goes along with pharma but says its such a lot of money it’ll have to be nationalised

370267 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), 1, #987 of 2137 🔗

Very interesting. I was wondering why deaths in Peru were tailing off. North Macedonia has recently started recommending it’s use and I think Bulgaria is going to follow. Several states in India distribute a Covid treament pack which contains Ivermectin, among other things. I guess we might get around to it once vaccine take up is high enough that we can claim that any reduction in deaths is down to the vaccine and nothing else.

370092 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #988 of 2137 🔗

MSM reports that some over 70’s are now receiving the vaccine!!
Strange how my mother in law (95) is still waiting?
Old sayings: THEY COR* LIE STRAIGHT IN BED.
THEY ARE THAT BRAZEN*, THEY WOULD FACE A BEAR STONDIN* UP.
*:Black country dialect.

370156 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #989 of 2137 🔗

In my small circle of distant relatives and acquaintances, I know six people well over 80 yrs old spread around in Devon, Kent and Somerset and none of them have even been offered ‘a jab’ as yet; two are in a residential home in Kent. I have tried to deter them from accepting any offer but think I am wasting my time.

370268 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dodderydude, #990 of 2137 🔗

I find the same, people will make their own mind up.

If they respect you and want to actually think about their decision, they’ll ask.

370537 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fingerache Philip, #991 of 2137 🔗

Fingerache Philip, are you familiar with Doreen Tipton? Black Country wench spreading the vaccination message :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTJbIu0JpxE

370546 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, #992 of 2137 🔗

Actually, I see it’s the flu vaccination she is pushing. There’s another message from her promoting masks, but I can’t find that one.

370099 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 11, #993 of 2137 🔗

Oh Good. Yet another stupid article on the BBC website normalizing this insanity. Lots of photos of happy, smiling, photogenic people. You see, it’s not so bad after all. We can all get to know one another over “Zoom lunches” and we might even be eating better now we’re all working from home. Of course that’s not much good to people who have lost their jobs but who cares about them? And if and when we do get to return to the office we will be greeted with the arrival of “contactless” vending machines since we are all going to be OCD hypochondriacs forever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55716899

370200 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Chicot, 8, #994 of 2137 🔗

It’s funny because there are various ‘social’ events at my uni and they literally just consist of sitting on Zoom while eating pizza. I’ve been to one and the atmosphere is just painful. Half the attendees leave after 15 minutes. Absolutely no substitute for real, live, physical meet-ups.

370962 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Poppy, #995 of 2137 🔗

Zoom and pizza – no wonder people gain weight at the present time…

370100 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #996 of 2137 🔗

On MSM: “Oxometers being handed out to over 65’s”
This “over 70” bought one 9 months ago.
Sceptics can think for themselves unlike the sheep and collaborators.

370181 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #997 of 2137 🔗

Me too (over 70 and bought oximeter many months ago)

370185 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #998 of 2137 🔗

This will cause far more trouble than they think. We have one in the house (not because of covid, but for other reasons) and it frequently tells me that my blood oxygen is 92% in one finger and 98 or 99% in another, or even sometimes that I’m dead (no pulse detectable whatsoever). Cue millions of people panicking and calling an ambulance night after night after night, just in case the 92% finger is correct or they have a terrible new covid symptom known as “Covid False Death” in which the victim has no heartbeat but is still capable of walking, talking and dialling 999.

370193 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #999 of 2137 🔗

Perhaps you are dead and are just refusing to accept it..

370332 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 6, #1000 of 2137 🔗

Asymptomatic death.

370352 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Annie, #1001 of 2137 🔗

Love it!

370502 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Waldorf, #1002 of 2137 🔗

or being dead purely for tax purposes

370505 ▶▶▶▶▶ kev, replying to mj, 1, #1003 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t stop you voting in the US election

370241 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1004 of 2137 🔗

Dying and not falling over will be punishable with a fine not exceeding £1000.
Government advice is that you do not have to show a death certificate to prove that you are dead. This can be arranged by any Tom Dick or Harriet wearing an NHS logo, who will be pleased to certify death from any cause as long as its Covid,

370394 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, #1005 of 2137 🔗

Good point. I see no objective in forming another hypochondriac group – I’ve got enough real medical issues to keep me busy.

370399 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1006 of 2137 🔗

“.. and dialling 999.”

I’m sorry but from what you’ve told me you are dead. You’ll receive your death certificate by first class post. Goodbye. < ticks Covid column >

370330 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1007 of 2137 🔗

Oxometers: sanitise your gravy.

370350 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, #1008 of 2137 🔗

Or whisk it to oxygenate.

370114 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1010 of 2137 🔗

That’s crazy, even kids?! What parent in their right mind would allow their child to get it?!

370121 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 26, #1011 of 2137 🔗

As a follow up, I have just hit send on the following email to Stephen Donnelly, who is the Irish Minister of Health:

Dear Mr. Donnelly,

Concerning your statement reported in the Irish Independent that “every person in the country will have received a Covid-19 vaccination by September” (Irish Independent phrasing), I wasn’t aware that I had consented to receive what is not a vaccine in the conventional sense of that word, but is, in fact, an experimental medical treatment still undergoing trials. Thalidomide comes to mind.

For the record, I do not and will not consent to receive any of the so called “vaccines” being administered by the regime that you are part of.

370125 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1012 of 2137 🔗

The EMA hasn’t licensed any vaccine for children. Is the Irish government planning to overrule the EMA?

370170 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1013 of 2137 🔗

Bluff to pressure on people

370106 mj, replying to mj, 23, #1014 of 2137 🔗

re supermarket mixed messages re “medical” exemptions as discussed yesterday, i dropped an email to Aldi referring to their “no facemask no entry” image and quoting the government guidelines to them .
I finished up with
“As a regular shopper at Aldi I am concerned about your attitude in stressing medical exemption. Are you going to ask for proof? You do realise that doctors will not provide medical certificates. Also that the guidelines indicate that an exempt customer can be asked about not wearing a mask, but does not have to provide any details other than saying they are exempt . They also do not have to wear a lanyard or carry a badge..
And i am sure you have already been made aware of the disability discrimination aspects of this and that shops have already been sued under DDA for discriminating against non mask wearers .”

Reply today
“I can confirm that you do not have to show proof that you are medically exempt as not all medical conditions are visible.
If you are medically exempt and have been refused entry to a store, would you be kind enough to let me know the store and date that this happened”.

As on my last visit on Monday i was asked about mask and on being told i was exempt then nothing further was said , (and i have never had issues with my store) it does seem that they are just following government pressure ,as are all supermarkets, but not excessively. And any Aldis that are excessive should be reported to head office

370161 ▶▶ Morse, replying to mj, 7, #1015 of 2137 🔗

Good to know, I went in Aldi yesterday unmasked and although I didn’t get asked, I was at the till when I overheard the guy telling a fellow unmasked shoppers the adjacent till that he would be refused entry if he didn’t wear a lanyard or prove medical exemption. The till operator who I also assume was the duty manager also told him this “was what the Government said” and “is Aldi’s policy”, sadly the unmasked guy was not clued up and excepted it and said nothing. I was going to pipe up but was in rush and not in the mood to make a confrontation for someone else. Pissed me off though. What are Aldi doing in disseminating the correct information?

Can I ask where you sent your letter, I will do the same re the store I shop at?

370447 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Morse, 1, #1016 of 2137 🔗

I sent it to the generic customer services email customer.service@aldi.co.uk
response that i quoted from Liz Wilson Customer Service Advisor with this reference number A2192248 Clearly they need to be contacted about the lack of understanding at your store given she says
“If you are medically exempt and have been refused entry to a store, would you be kind enough to let me know the store and date that this happened.”

370507 ▶▶▶▶ Morse, replying to mj, #1017 of 2137 🔗

Thanks MJ!

370329 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 3, #1018 of 2137 🔗

Excellent, well written and thanks for making the effort.

370108 Ovis, 10, #1019 of 2137 🔗

“They took your face to save their own.

Heil Johnson! Heil Starmer! Heil BBC!”

Right, now to find some paint.

370110 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 3, #1020 of 2137 🔗

delete

370116 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to rockoman, 1, #1021 of 2137 🔗

Or be the poor sods on whom they offload that price.

370115 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 35, #1022 of 2137 🔗

One of the biggest gripes of this lockdown is that many of my previously sceptic friends have ‘drunk the kool aid’ and won’t meet up anymore.

The dreaded “This is getting serious now” sentiment infuriates me because it’s not based on fact.

370119 ▶▶ leggy, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #1023 of 2137 🔗

Same experience here with many. Succumbing to the fear porn.

370248 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to leggy, #1024 of 2137 🔗

All part of the plan.

370152 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #1025 of 2137 🔗

One of my friends doesnt even want to meet in the playpark with our kids. She showed signed of sceptism in the summer but before Christmas she actually text me ‘This is getting serious now’ after I suggested meeting up. She is in her 30s and healthy, but is also afraid that if her Mum found out she was meeting anyone else, she would get into trouble! ffs.

370258 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1026 of 2137 🔗

A depressingly large number of my adult female patients never seemed to have moved on from defining themselves as their mother’s daughter. Just an observation.

370323 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #1027 of 2137 🔗

‘Your son’s your son till he takes a wife,
Your daughter’s your daughter all her life.’

Accounts for the high divorce rate.

370345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, #1028 of 2137 🔗

You might say that. I couldn’t possibly comment.

370184 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to jhfreedom, 16, #1029 of 2137 🔗

Unless you’re deeply cynical, a natural contrarian, a true libertarian, especially courageous, have an understanding of rhetoric, or logic, or biology, you have no strong foundation to stand on against the relentless onslaught of lügenpresse bullshit.

370237 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1030 of 2137 🔗

I think good understanding of theology also helps (this is for believers).

370270 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Alice, 4, #1031 of 2137 🔗

I would imagine religion helps put things like this in a perspective (I am an atheist).

370326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 4, #1032 of 2137 🔗

It may help the Christians on this site. It certainly doesn’t help the churches and their leaders, from the Bishop of Rome all the way down to Dustin Jellybaby.

370194 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to jhfreedom, 17, #1033 of 2137 🔗

Zealots think this is ‘serious’ because they just lead boring lives and like to imagine themselves as the hero at the centre of their own sci-fi/disaster film, all the while sitting on Zoom, receiving Ocado/Amazon deliveries and working from home. Narcissism and lack of empathy, plain and simple.

370262 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 2, #1034 of 2137 🔗

No – a lot of them are genuinely just scared to a greater or lesser degree.

Waving a sceptical Virtue Flag won’t alter that.

370124 PWL, 11, #1035 of 2137 🔗

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
From which:

Figure 19 is the most interesting graph of all because it shows that ICU admissions for patients with pneumonia leading from flu bumping along all year after April at, or just above, zero. This condition, it would seem, has gone the same way as polio, but more so, and is apparently a thing of the past.

Utter horse manure, of course, and there is no other image than the one presented below to better represent the criminal activity that has been taking place in the corridors and wards of the nation’s supposedly beloved NHS.

370149 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 21, #1036 of 2137 🔗

Very interesting that WHO yesterday updated their PCR test guidance.

I think Eurosurveillance is commenting at the end of this month on the criticisms of the Drosten PCR paper that it published Jan 2020

There has been an addendum to the criticisms:

‘We believe the references provided in this addendum itemize the scientific consensus
evident in the literature regarding the flaws in the original PCR detection method for
SARs-CoV-2 published by Corman et al. Further, since several important flaws were
published in peer-reviewed journals, the lack of correction of the original PCR protocol by
either Eurosurveillance or as an update in the Charité-WHO protocol brings into question the scientific integrity of the authors of Corman et al.These references settle any remaining debate that the Corman et al.manuscript should be retracted on technical grounds alone.The rapidity of the peer-review and conflicts of interest are even more troubling.’

https://osf.io/9mjy7/?fbclid=IwAR28lqQ-HeQkN4fE-nB1iNSYc4aKGtpz169AJKWPgL9-cWJURh-qQhBUhNo

So the wheels have definitely come off the PCR test based ‘pandemic’

The government knows it, the public know it, the state broadcaster and others know it.

So we wait now only for the first government to break ranks.

Who will it be, and when?

I would give you my prediction but I’m stumped………

370158 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #1037 of 2137 🔗

India have always had secondary assessments for their ‘positives’. Doctor to asses etc.

China don’t count asymptomatic people as cases.

Australia, now, has quite a robust definition of a case so that their GREAT RESPONSE TO COVID is not undermined by fast and loose PCR

370163 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #1038 of 2137 🔗

Various countries have already broken ranks

They are ignored or news from them is distorted beyond recognition, as suits the narrative

370192 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1039 of 2137 🔗

excellent post – every time I read it I feel better and better

370212 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1040 of 2137 🔗

Great Post. Totally agree

370236 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1041 of 2137 🔗

The “public” really doesn’t know it though do they Tim? you credit them with more understanding than they are capable of.

370256 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to vargas99, 4, #1042 of 2137 🔗

I don’t think many of the public actually care. It means nothing to them, regardless of whether they have the wit to understand the ‘science’ or not.

370321 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mike, 3, #1043 of 2137 🔗

I don’t think the public are the key to the technical arguments behind PCR. It is public health officials, doctors and anyone directly involved in this who are the real culprits, for they knew this. If they didn’t, they shouldn’t be in the position they are. So if they want our respect, they should admit they knew and resign. They should be ashamed to call themselves professionals.

However, I will be willing to forgive. Join the rest of us now, call an end to this madness. Demand that a full audit of deaths, as a minimum, be undertaken and all business open up without restrictions.

The government are going to be on the hook for quite a lot £££

370265 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to vargas99, 4, #1044 of 2137 🔗

I believe that many, if not most, adopt a position based on political leanings rather than the information to hand and, for the public sector (huge swathes including the retired), the PCR ‘pandemic’ is well down the road to destroying what had looked like being a reformist (of the public sector) Conservative government.

Meanwhile government interventions have stuffed the private sector from where they derived their support……..

The May elections, still likely to take place, will, in my view, indicate the now seismic unpopularity of this government.

370331 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1045 of 2137 🔗

Given that the official opposition is even more into this thing than the government, that would mean a) a Labour landslide and b) no real policy change, or a turn towards yet more repression. What would be needed is a Lockdown-sceptic party.

370347 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1046 of 2137 🔗

Conservative voters will either not turn up or vote Lib Dem/Independent as a protest vote, normal in these situations.

Lib Dems will make huge gains just by sitting on their backsides, often the best manifesto, a course of action the present government originally adopted which would have assured them of a legendary status.

Of course a Lib Dem resurgence is the only way to obtain Proportional Representation, itself the only means by which a reformist anti lockdown truly liberal party could arise and prosper…….

370370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1047 of 2137 🔗

It would be interesting if Starmer’s unispiring party also takes a hit.

370238 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #1048 of 2137 🔗

I think 90% of this is casedemic

Once the PCR is fixed, we still have
i) hospitals under pressure (although normal for this time of year)
ii) excess deaths (actually pretty small and probably due to lockdown)

I think we are almost there if we fix/bin the PCR

If I was wanting this to end (I don’t think SAGE do), I would mandate Ct=25 or so, demand a second test and demand a clinical diagnosis (no symptomless nonsense)

when there are no scary graphs to look at, people will demand out

370325 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #1049 of 2137 🔗

The hospitals under pressure part is driven by PCR too however due to isolating staff and less beds for social distancing. All the PPE routines also slow down the entire process as well as the testing of everything that moves.

370259 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1050 of 2137 🔗

It’s undeniable that the urgency would not be so great with lower “case” numbers. Hospitals would not be seen as close to being overwhelmed.

In any future inquiry I would want to know why anybody thought it was a good idea to exaggerate the threat thus forcing unecessarily damaging actions to be taken.

370150 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #1051 of 2137 🔗

When Boris and his handlers allow us our weekly or bi-weekly meat to eat. Will it be a sausage or a burger? It’s important to know.

370160 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to chaos, 7, #1052 of 2137 🔗

It will be an eco-friendly insect burger.

370166 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to chaos, 1, #1053 of 2137 🔗

Probably this: http://bitelabs.org/

370168 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chaos, 4, #1054 of 2137 🔗

You will be allowed to view a 1 hour Zoom call with Piffle and St Greta
Comments disabled

370171 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, 2, #1055 of 2137 🔗

Doesn’t matter. One minute before you put it on the table, it will be banned again.

370215 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to chaos, 5, #1056 of 2137 🔗

It won’t be meat. I’d like to recommend the movie Soylent Green if you really want to see where your future rations will be coming from.

370293 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to eastender53, 1, #1057 of 2137 🔗

It’s people!

370439 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to eastender53, 1, #1058 of 2137 🔗

just noticed that Soylent Green is set in 2022. so it is a near as damn it a documentary

370245 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to chaos, #1059 of 2137 🔗

It will be fake Beyond Meat or an Impossible burger.

🤮

370172 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1060 of 2137 🔗

More lying from the untrusables or did their trials in fact show extreme accuracy?

“Research in Israel appears to indicate that the initial dose of the Pfizer-Biontech vaccine isn’t as effective against Covid-19 as initial studies showed.’

“The UK government has begun to re-assess its current ‘one shot’ strategy as a result. https://thetimes.co.uk/

More on the thread here: https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1351866339565121537?s=20

The Times insidious journalistic jerks even go so far as to say ‘inoculate” in relation to an effect they think ought to be a characteristic of tge covid19 vaccines. Utter moron press release journalism going on at The Times.

It is no secret I cannot spell, construct a sentence or know which bit of a sentence is grammar, but even I am skinning The Times alive in understanding what is really going on among the untrustables. Jeezo.

370203 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Basics, 3, #1061 of 2137 🔗

As a grammar, spelling and punctuation vigilante, I can see no alternative but to give you 10/10 and a gold star for your post, Basics.

370239 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 2, #1062 of 2137 🔗

This seems to confirm my suspicions the, “95-99% effective!!!” claims were simply more gaslighting.

370310 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1063 of 2137 🔗

It was marketing. Their claims were nothing but a strap line

370366 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 1, #1064 of 2137 🔗

It’s like when Jack came home telling his mother that he’d sold the family cow for some magic beans.

370176 Nobody2021, 6, #1065 of 2137 🔗

I think I need to get out more. I thought Andrew Pierce was talking about PCR tests in this Tweet, although thinking about it cycle threshold and cycle lanes, maybe there’s something there…:

Andrew Pierce
@toryboypierce

High Ct says London Labour Mayor @SadiqKhan

wrwongly took advantage of covid to push through even more cycle lane and road closures. Will Khan apologise to motorists who he clearly loaths

370182 kev, replying to kev, 28, #1066 of 2137 🔗

Just saw this posted on BBC feed:

One of the mysteries of Covid-19 is why oxygen levels in the blood can drop to dangerously low levels without the patient noticing.
It is known as “silent hypoxia”.
As a result, patients have been arriving in hospital in far worse health than they realised and, in some cases, too late to treat effectively.
But a potentially life-saving solution, in the form of a pulse oximeter, allows patients to monitor their oxygen levels at home, and costs about £20.
They are being rolled out for high-risk Covid patients in the UK, and the doctor leading the scheme thinks everyone should consider buying one.

There is no mystery, this is almost certainly a result of mask wearing, its one of the well known and documented side effects, this is just unbelieavable and devastating.

Apologies if posted earlier

370187 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to kev, 8, #1067 of 2137 🔗

I disagree. It was a well known feature of covid back in April, way before everyone was wearing masks on a regular basis.

370204 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to muzzle, 4, #1068 of 2137 🔗

Fine, could I suggest you purchase one of those oxygen monitors and use it whilst wearing a mask, how confident are you that your oxygen levels will remain in the safe zone?

370214 ▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to kev, 1, #1069 of 2137 🔗

Has no effect: 98-100% with and without mask. When I had COVID it was 93%. I was only moderate. Some patients are entering hospital with oxygen levels in their 50’s and 60% range.

370226 ▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to djaustin, 5, #1070 of 2137 🔗

Exactly. I don’t agree with mask wearing but there’s no point on blaming the deaths on the masks as it’s well known that covid causes oxygen levels to dive. The main complaint we should have about masks is that they are ineffective or could even be blamed for increased transmission.

370232 ▶▶▶▶▶ kev, replying to djaustin, 2, #1071 of 2137 🔗

So how exactly would wearing a mask, that reduces gaseous exchange actually help the situation of someone who is already suffering reduced oxygen levels?

370264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to kev, 1, #1072 of 2137 🔗

It wouldn’t, but to my knowledge, masks aren’t prescribed as a treatment for severe case of covid.

370240 ▶▶▶▶▶ Wilko, replying to djaustin, 1, #1073 of 2137 🔗

When I had Covid , March / April , although I have a pulse oximeter, it didnt occur to me to check my O2 sats . I latterly worked in a hospice, if a patient had sats of 50 – 60% we’d have sent the machine off for servicing, not believing it could go so low and the patient still be conscious.

370249 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to djaustin, 1, #1074 of 2137 🔗

Do you know if this has only been a recent phenomenon or have there been such cases of low oxygen in the past, presumably caused by other viruses, just not in as big numbers?

370277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1075 of 2137 🔗

I thought this was old news. Way back in spring, this was given as the reason that it was so difficult to treat people in hospital, because they’d come in after the point of no return.

370302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to muzzle, #1076 of 2137 🔗

I meant before covid came on the scene. If it never happened prior then it would be easy to say that it is entirely caused by covid otherwise how do we know it’s not just something that was happening already and covid is now being labelled as the cause.

370328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Nobody2021, #1077 of 2137 🔗

I’ve never had any reason to doubt it was the case. It seemed to make sense to me and it was explained too early in the timeline for it to be the bullshit we get now. Obviously a better, more transparent study would be ideal.

370358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to muzzle, 2, #1078 of 2137 🔗

The reason I ask is because my father suffered from exactly this and everything that would be described as a severe case of Covid. However he has tested negative 4 times now for the virus.

So either he had undiagnosed covid or there’s something else going around that caused it. My understanding is that coronaviruses have been doing this to people for years it’s only now that it’s being highlighted.

370406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Nobody2021, #1079 of 2137 🔗

Yes. I see. I think that’s why a number of people think that putting all the current deaths down to covid 19 isn’t realistic because there are other respiratory illnesses out there.

370475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to muzzle, 1, #1080 of 2137 🔗

I remember a doctor saying he had patients in with oxygen levels he would expect on Everest base camp. May 2020 I think.

370251 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to kev, 7, #1081 of 2137 🔗

Well, I have tried the pulse oximeter in my Garmin watch, and I normally have 99-100% oxygen saturation. It drops to 96% after 2 hours of wearing a mask correctly, so it seems to have at least some effect.

370254 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to kev, 1, #1082 of 2137 🔗

What has that to do with what muzzle said if they were seeing low levels of oxygen back at the beginning?

370278 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to muzzle, 1, #1083 of 2137 🔗

Regardless of how mask wearing affects oxygen saturation and I think it does affect it, low oxygen saturation was also a symptom of real covid certainly back in April. This was Dr David Unwin’s experience (and I remember reading many other accounts of this phenomenon)

https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP/status/1250686197011267585

I remember I had chills and muscle ache and back pain for a few days around April time, and was unusually breathless when walking up a local hill. I didn’t have a pulse oximeter at the time (I do now) but would have been interesting to have checked my oxygen saturation.

370205 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kev, #1084 of 2137 🔗

I read they were giving them out in Moscow

370227 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kev, 5, #1085 of 2137 🔗

Silent hypoxia
Long covid

It is as though the English language cannot keep pace with the BS.

370306 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 1, #1086 of 2137 🔗

Is hypoxia usually talkative, then?

370354 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Annie, #1087 of 2137 🔗

It’s a bit of a laugh.

370365 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kev, 2, #1088 of 2137 🔗

Inside Health on R4 had an item about these devices this week, I posted about it yesterday.

In my opinion this is just another push into hysteria and to sell a product that if not used correctly can do more harm than good.

As some commenters already said, some people present with such low saturation that by traditional standards they should be dead.

It is very much individual how the body reacts.

370191 Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #1089 of 2137 🔗

With a name like that you can expect unwelcome mod attention I think. For those of us of a certain age it harks back to a notorious early incident of internet censorship that was and is dangerous to discuss.

370195 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, #1090 of 2137 🔗

?

370199 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1091 of 2137 🔗

If we ever meet up irl we can discuss it then.

370196 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #1092 of 2137 🔗

Seems he did indeed attract prompt mod attention…

370213 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, #1093 of 2137 🔗

No worries.

370211 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, #1094 of 2137 🔗

Someone’s often unsavoury posts do seem have disappeared.

370250 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, #1095 of 2137 🔗

Whose? (The one I replied to was a new name as far as I was aware)?

370282 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, #1096 of 2137 🔗

minor threat?

370217 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1097 of 2137 🔗

Pre inauguration
Vs
Post inauguration
At CNN

“It’s amazing what a change of President can do…”

https://twitter.com/says_basil/status/1352228546190716930?s=20

The vaccine* was looking ineffective but now the vaccine is world beating.

Two screen grabs of cnn propaganda on tweet.

370348 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 3, #1098 of 2137 🔗

Oh dear! 🙂
CNN – hmmm.. surely they’re about to be banished online, for their total incitement of ‘the insurrection’ on Capitol Hill 6th January… right?
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1349885882262761473

370218 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 36, #1099 of 2137 🔗

Third lockdown. Over a year since the virus appeared and still the only plan. On the verge of economic collapse. No emergency plans for winter spike were put in place. NHS still needs saving. Vaccine not the solution it was claimed to be. Schools closed. Warning signs for next winter.

Zealot or sceptic, at what point do we as a country concede this is a failed administration?

370221 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles, 20, #1100 of 2137 🔗

on march 23rd last year

370255 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to steve_w, 2, #1101 of 2137 🔗

Agreed.

370230 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Achilles, 6, #1102 of 2137 🔗

Failed Western economic and governmental systems, all the way down.

370385 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Achilles, 3, #1103 of 2137 🔗

Failed germ theory. This is the fundamental pillar of Western medical thought. If that collapses, everything collapses: pharmaceuticals, drugs, corporations, washing hands, hygiene, Dettol, vaccinations, foot and mouth disease, pesticides, killing badgers – you name it, it goes.

This goes way beyond politics and right and left. It goes into people’s own very basic beliefs about how they keep themselves alive, what it means to be human and how much part of Nature that we are. Few people want to know that a large chunk of our body weight is microbes.

Trying to wipe out the virus reflects current thinking – the so called scientists are unlikely to let go of it soon. Ordinary people are terrified of the idea that their health is in their own hands and that the man in the white coat actually doesn’t have the answers to life’s uncomfortable problems.

370224 Victoria, 11, #1104 of 2137 🔗

Dr Mike Yeadon thinks the COVID vaccine is a terrible idea

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mike-yeadon-vaccine-covid

Cartoon by Jerm

370247 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #1105 of 2137 🔗

14
PUBS Great Reset, Wetherspoons Buys Up ‘Broke’ Pubs / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22T2cTBkrEw&list=WL&index=41

370292 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1106 of 2137 🔗

This is what happens in a downturn. The largest companies can gather indebted assets and purge the market to their own design.

370309 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1107 of 2137 🔗

Indeed. How totally unexpected, eh?

370364 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 6, #1108 of 2137 🔗

Of course, but even Wetherspoon’s can’t make money out of closed pubs. I hope that means he knows they are about to open up soon.
Dreadful news for the independents though. I don’t have anything against W’s but would always prefer a choice. Small locals can be dreadful little places or a small piece of heaven if well managed and kept clean with good staff. Unfortunately the odds have been totally stacked against them.

370316 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1109 of 2137 🔗

it will go to making up some of the money Tim Martin lost on buying a pub in Crystal Palace.

370257 Bella Donna, 5, #1110 of 2137 🔗

Someone gave this link, worth reading. The piece about eating natural yoghurt was particularly interesting.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3259/rr-4

370261 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 18, #1111 of 2137 🔗

While the UK medical establishment slow walks Invermectin to keep the death rate up, the Indian Govt issues these packs.

370299 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nessimmersion, 10, #1112 of 2137 🔗

I wish our healthcare system was as good as India.

370313 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1113 of 2137 🔗

A certain market realism – there is no point in trying to foist medication that people cannot afford. Most Indians can only afford Ivermectin, so Ivermectin it is.

370266 Niborxof, 1, #1114 of 2137 🔗

Yes tried the link but didn’t seem to work

370272 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1115 of 2137 🔗

“Proof of a ‘pandemic’ scam in 2020: the day #Biden is sworn in, WHO magically order #COVID testing laboratories to redtuce their #PCR CT cycle threshold – which will automatically slash phony “cases” & “deaths with COVID”. #BillGates-funded WHO fraud…” Patrick Henningsen on Twitter.

The WHO announcement:

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

370305 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 1, #1116 of 2137 🔗

Only if anyone actually follows what the WHO are saying.

370318 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to jb12, 6, #1117 of 2137 🔗

It’s official YouTube policy to follow the WHO.

So will they reinstate all the deleted videos which the WHO now agrees with??

370336 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to LMS2, 5, #1118 of 2137 🔗

Except it isn’t WHO policy to implement lockdowns and they strongly advised against it. Therefore, either YouTube should have deleted all government videosand BBC propaganda, referring to the success of lockdowns OR, YouTube is a two faced organisation that cannot even comply with its own community rules.

370431 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Basics, #1119 of 2137 🔗

Simon Dolan queried this didn’t he?

370273 Caramel, 6, #1120 of 2137 🔗

Not covid related but Simon Jenkins has put out another good article. He was one of the early lockdown sceptics so supporting his other articles. Britain has plenty of cash to bail out big business, yet nothing for the poorest | Universal credit | The Guardian

370274 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 23, #1121 of 2137 🔗

Taken my pets to the vet today. There’s the business model for our existence that we are being nudged toward.
You need yearly vaccinations! Without them you are not covered against common illnesses! Buy our vaccination plan!
Keeping your vaccinations up to date means you can travel without a need for quarantine!

They see us as animals. Resist.

370297 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #1122 of 2137 🔗

Ah, the ‘booster’ scam. I’ve just had a notice from my vet too. I recalled my last visit, and their attempt to sell me Ivermectin for £30, and promptly binned it.

370322 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #1123 of 2137 🔗

Sadly many pets die or get poorly due to these repeat vaccinations via the vets – only thing that keeps vets in business

370362 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #1124 of 2137 🔗

Here in the US they are pushing the vax for many conditions.

There is an utterly obnoxious TV ad for the shingles jab.

371026 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to awildgoose, #1125 of 2137 🔗

Now that Bill Gates is getting into food production he can ramp up oh so many more health problems that only vaccines will cure – it’s a perfect business model.

370279 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 12, #1126 of 2137 🔗

Whats the betting now THEY have their man in power in Washington…the ‘Virus’ miraculously starts to wain?…the great Global ‘Progressive’ Biden will have saved the Free World and the Planet?….

370287 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1127 of 2137 🔗

Biden will be able to sniff all the Covid away.

370289 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Luckyharry69, 12, #1128 of 2137 🔗

They are already on it WHO now instructing reduction of PCR test cycles.

370295 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1129 of 2137 🔗

WHO today announced that the number of cycles on the PCR should be reduced. How’s that for a start.

370324 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1130 of 2137 🔗

Biden has apparently already signed an executive order on making masks mandatory on all federal property.

Except for when the cameras are off, I assume.

370281 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 14, #1131 of 2137 🔗

Breaking News… Boris Johnson announces Gov’t plan for Zero Rain strategy!

370327 ▶▶ kev, replying to vargas99, 5, #1132 of 2137 🔗

Wet pavements should be banned.

Its a known fact wet pavements cause rain. Correlation = causation

370367 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to vargas99, 2, #1133 of 2137 🔗

Good thing, too. Hopefully he will next tackle the serious dangers of severe autumns . Experts are concerned.

370384 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to vargas99, 2, #1134 of 2137 🔗

Rain causes untold misery through flooding – banning rain will solve that – why has no one thought of this before!

(BTW don’t consider any “unexpected” consequences)

370454 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ozzie, #1135 of 2137 🔗

Perhaps we could have a “no rain” chant.

370283 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1136 of 2137 🔗

Signal is in cahoots with Twitter
The guy who set it up is chums with Dorsey
FYI
Telegram is a better option – they have a proven track record of telling authoritarians to get bent (Putin springs to mind)

370288 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1137 of 2137 🔗

There is already a telegram for LockdownSceptics.org

Not much action but its there

370481 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1138 of 2137 🔗

I can haz link?

370360 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1139 of 2137 🔗

I agree. I have a friend who (he won’t mind me saying this) is an uber-nerd and very paranoid – he prefers to write his own software, or preferably solder the circuit-board himself – and Telegram is the only messaging app he trusts.

370286 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #1140 of 2137 🔗

Fracnois Balloux is a mindreader. This is my general stance on how we should have approached the problem:

When asked – “François, what do you think is the right approach to bridge the gap?”

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1352205284190662656

In short, I wished a ‘maximum acceptable’ number of daily #COVID19 new hospitalisations had been defined. Mitigation measures, including the most drastic, would be taken whenever it is reached / exceeded, and rapidly relaxed when hospitalisations are below threshold value.

The approach is pragmatic, transparent, non-ideological and strikes a balance between direct and indirect harm. I believe it would have been the best #COVID19 strategy for Western democracies. I suspect several of my colleagues feel the same but do not wish to say so publicly.

370516 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nobody2021, #1141 of 2137 🔗

The problem I see with this is that living under the continuous threat of ‘the most drastic’ mitigation measures being imposed is still living with significant uncertainty and disruption. We would still be hostages to the frailty of the healthcare system.

I can’t see how it would be much of an improvement. ‘The most drastic’ techniques were unheard of just one year ago.

370567 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #1142 of 2137 🔗

I actually think that a more balanced approach would have reduced the need for drastic measures. It would have spread the burden over a longer period of time making the situation more manageable.

There’s no way to prove this of course but results from other places suggest that it would have worked out that way.

370296 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 19, #1143 of 2137 🔗

Lockdown Stories: We lost everything | 21-Jan-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWnR296tNPo&list=WL&index=44

“A talkRADIO listener has shared his story of how the lockdown restrictions have impacted him and his family, and what he has done to try and turn his life around.

Rory Green started 2020 with a new job and a “miracle baby” on the way, but once first lockdown was imposed he could not start work and was forced onto Universal Credit. His wife also lost work as a speech and language therapist. The couple also lost their unborn child: “We lost pretty much everything… It was a rough start to the year.”

While grieving for that loss, his step-sister, an NHS doctor, committed suicide.

“It had a lot of impact on my mental health. I struggled with suicidal thoughts. I’m an upbeat guy, but I got to a point in my life where I had to make a decision… I need to do something about this. Either goes into destruction or into life.”

Rory setup Enlighten the Shadows, a YouTube channel to help men cope with mental health issues.”

370390 ▶▶ mj, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1144 of 2137 🔗

who cares .. my granny was 105 last year and that is all that matters . !!!
but seriously why would an NHS doctor commit suicide. well paid job, no chance of redundancy,
it is the rest of us with no jobs, no future , no connections and no support that are suicidal

370453 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1145 of 2137 🔗

I hope that all of these tragic circumstances are being collated for when the day of reckoning finally comes.

370480 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nymeria, #1146 of 2137 🔗

The evidence is stored. We won’t forget. But, like Nazi murderers, the perpetrators will be condemned mostly on their own records of their own villainy.

370312 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 40, #1147 of 2137 🔗

Just completed a BBC survey. You can pick a link up to do it on BBC iplayer. Gave them both barrels about covid coverage and their wokeness. This is what I typed about my opinion.

Your news reporting of the covid crisis has been some of the worse reporting i have ever seen. You reporting on Donald Trump has been unbalanced and from a left wing perspective. The Covid crisis has shown what you have become, a mouthpiece for an inept government. Not once have you challenged the government figures. Where are your debates? Where you get a person from each side of the covid argument (and despite you views there are two sides) and have them argue with a host that is UNBIASED. Yes you don’t have any of them anymore do you? HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT? You have not once shown the crisis caused by LOCKDOWN. the suicides, missed operations, missed diagnosis children in absolute fear, children’s lives thrown away for a virus that has zero chance of killing them. When this is all over and the blame game starts, I want you right at the front of the queue.

370371 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #1148 of 2137 🔗

I was email a BBC survey a few days ago – it asked questions about whether I thought the BBC was value for money and whether I felt it was for people like me (no for both cases, plus reasons).

370417 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ozzie, #1149 of 2137 🔗

What the F was that ‘people like me’ question about. I put N/A and explained, there’s nobody else like me.

370314 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 50, #1150 of 2137 🔗

I have no idea how people are coping

My job almost went but is safe til summer. I’ve got 2 kids who can play with each other and we meet another family every other day. My wife and I work from home and share homeschooling – ie we are doing ok

But I feel incredible melancholy. I feel so much for people in more difficult situations. I have single mum friends who don’t see other people from month to month. If I was 20 and living alone I think I would have snapped.

370317 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to steve_w, 11, #1151 of 2137 🔗

Dude, feel totally the same.

What will become of us!

370341 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 12, #1152 of 2137 🔗

When this is over – anybody who has provably expressed lockdown scepticism shall be exempt from any taxes in perpetuity.

370333 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, 11, #1153 of 2137 🔗

Whiskey during the winter
Vodka during the summer

370411 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1154 of 2137 🔗

Ouzo in Greece.

370529 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1155 of 2137 🔗

That was me a year ago in Anafiotika sigh. This year not so much. I have 80 bottles of wine left in the cellar though. And the hard stuff of course.

370346 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 12, #1156 of 2137 🔗

Unfortunately some people aren’t coping and others have given up trying.

This number can only grow the longer this goes on.

370436 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1157 of 2137 🔗

Just been told by a friend of mine that one of his customers was discovered at the bottom of Beachy Head – leaves a husband and 2 young boys.

370353 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to steve_w, 7, #1158 of 2137 🔗

My job is safe until December this year, after that I don’t know. I dont like to complain much either as my husband and I are WFH and our kids creche is still open, so they can still get social time there. We all have eachother to cuddle and keep sane (ish). I meet other Mums and kids in parks and still see sceptical friends and family.
But for those alone, on less/no income, in abusive relationships….the list is endless…..can not imagine how hard it is.

370382 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ganjan21, 13, #1159 of 2137 🔗

I feel a responsibility to speak up precisely because I’m doing ok. I went on some demos, email my MP regularly, come on here, try and educate friends who are open to it. But I feel helpless

370391 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to steve_w, 2, #1160 of 2137 🔗

me too

370599 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to steve_w, 1, #1161 of 2137 🔗

Yes I have done the same too but where do we go from here?

370469 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 5, #1162 of 2137 🔗

Steve, you just can’t empathise with every single person who is or might be suffering from this bollox. Only God can do that.Do the right thing for yourself and your family, be strong, spread a little sanity where you can, and rejoice in what is good.

371114 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Annie, 2, #1163 of 2137 🔗

Yeah, do as much as you can, sign petitions, email the dregs MP’s, leaflet, fund stuff like UK Column , I stuck some toward Ivor Cummins Covid doc. no mask obv. try to be inclusive to friends.. hard. Do as much as you can feasibly, try not to be beaten down. As an old sod with a new user name this forum is great to share ideas and inspirations, and info, do not let the bastards grind you down, we will win!

370315 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #1164 of 2137 🔗

Woman’s severe reaction to Pfizer COVID vaccine prompts investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf6NDIiE3Tw&list=WL&index=40

Fears over the vaccine’s safety were prompted by a video of a woman suffering convulsions after receiving a Pfizer coronavirus jab in Louisiana. In an exclusive interview with RT, Brant Griner, son of the affected person, says that she hadn’t experienced any health issues before taking the shot, and added that the response he’d received to his video about it suggests his mum’s case isn’t a one-off.

370340 ▶▶ kev, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #1165 of 2137 🔗

In their daily figures, will they start giving the number who have had a vaccination in the death figures. From the demographic of those vaccinated it would not be unexpected to have seen some deaths by now, possibly not from the vaccine, but with the vaccine.

The figure of 29 vaccine related deaths in Norway, from the Pfizer jab (hate that word) is of great concern.

370320 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1166 of 2137 🔗

Sadist Khan gets slapped down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX0bHEQVZmU

370409 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1167 of 2137 🔗

Brilliant!

Time to go Sadiq, time to bring in David Curtin and get London back on its feet

370410 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1168 of 2137 🔗

.Brilliant!

Time to go Sadiq, time to bring in David Curtin and get London back on its feet

370337 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #1169 of 2137 🔗

Just reading the WHO Biden-inauguration-celebration-announcement

https://www.who.int/news/item/14-12-2020-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users

Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.”

I’ll email my MP asking for confirmation that this will change.

and just looking at this

WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases ( 2 ). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.”

This is interesting and true for a fixed FP rate. ie with a 2% FP and 1% prevalence in society, if you test a random person they are more likely to be false positive than true positive. However, the FP rate is not constant – it increases with prevalence in society – most of it comes from contamination, so this makes sense.

The main thing, however, is if they demand 2 tests and a clinical diagnosis (ie symptoms) we will cut cases, hospitalisations and deaths drastically

370935 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, #1170 of 2137 🔗

The main thing, however, is if they demand 2 tests and a clinical diagnosis (ie symptoms) we will cut cases, hospitalisations and deaths drastically

So it won’t happen.

370342 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #1171 of 2137 🔗

Reading the media comments day after day, I have come to the conclusion that this is how the zealous followers of facemasks, vaccines and lockdowns would really like to see us all.

370368 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #1172 of 2137 🔗

I believe this sort of apparatus turns the flunatics on.

370401 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1173 of 2137 🔗

The nose isn’t covered enough!

370459 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, #1174 of 2137 🔗

No go, you can see the snout.

370623 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #1175 of 2137 🔗

She wouldn’t even be able to claim exemption at the supermarket with the tongue depressor an’ all.
-Meumeu meu!
-Pardon? I’m afraid you’ll have to leave the store if you can’t wear your mask properly.
-Meumeu!
-I’m calling security!

370343 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 25, #1176 of 2137 🔗

I read that authoritarian b****** Patel is fronting the fear propaganda tonight. Eff off I am out and about this weekend, it is better for my health in my judgement. If any of your soldiers wish to award me a penalty I won’t be arguing or paying.

My dislike for this nasty individual is at Hancock levels.

370429 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1177 of 2137 🔗

The Poison Pygmy

370640 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1178 of 2137 🔗

Goin’ to be fuckin’ appalin’

371468 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to nottingham69, #1179 of 2137 🔗

I utterly despise this woman.

370355 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #1180 of 2137 🔗

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) has a formula for determining how much money the public purse can spend on treatments. It is twenty thousand pounds for one additional year of heathy life.

I do not know how much money has been devoted to combating the coronavirus, but it is a massive number. To take just one measure: the government’s response has ensured that the government will add almost four hundred billion pounds to public sector borrowing in this financial year. Another measure is the negative effect on the economy, which is the worst in three hundred years. Whatever the financial cost, it can only be represented in the kind of numbers used by astronomers.

Just as I do not know how much money is being devoted to combating the virus, neither do I know how many additional years of healthy life are being bought by all this money. However, I do know that life expectancy is eighty-one years, and that the average age of a coronavirus related death is almost eighty-two and a half years. The implication of this is that at a population level no years of additional life (healthy or otherwise) are being bought by all that money.

In fact, the situation is, of course, far worse than this because the money being spent on combating the virus is not only not buying additional years of life, it is costing years of healthy life as a result of all the harm caused by this misallocation of resources. Money spent on track and trace, for example, is money that cannot be spent on anything else, including health care.

Just thinking about the government’s response to the coronavirus, even without the detailed numbers, in terms of the NICE formula shows it to be completely irrational, irresponsible and incompetent: that is, if we take the government’s claim to be solely motivated by a concern to save lives.

Our government is at best irrational, irresponsible and incompetent. It could be worse.

370372 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1181 of 2137 🔗

The so called opposition is no better, indeed they may be worse? I wrote to Keir Starmer a while back and have just received the reply below. I find it appalling that this is what passes for political opposition in this country. You may not be surprised to learn that I will be declining their offer to sign up to be part of their ‘Let’s vaccinate Britain campaign’.

Dear Steve,

Thank you for your email to Keir Starmer MP in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic. At this point in time, Keir’s mailbag is so full that he has asked me to respond on his behalf. I’m very sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Your strong views, arguments and observations have been duly noted and shared with the relevant policy teams.

The current situation is incredibly serious. We have seen record numbers of hospitalisations for COVID-19 and our NHS is under immense pressure. Tragically, we have also seen record numbers of deaths. We are now facing a critical moment in our battle against the virus.

The Conservative Government has again lost control of the virus and restrictions are necessary to protect people’s health and our NHS. But every week this remains the case, more damage is done to our country – more working people lose their jobs, deeper damage is done to our economy and more families struggle with the toll of lockdown.

Serious questions remain for the Government to answer on why they didn’t act sooner to control the virus, why the Test and Trace system still isn’t working, why families were given so little time to plan for childcare and schools closing, and why – once again – businesses and millions of working people have not been given the support they need.

We know how incredibly difficult people are finding this lockdown, especially after everything they have already sacrificed. That’s why we need a national contract: the British people stay at home and help to get the virus under control. In return, the Government delivers the vaccine, secures the economy and protects family incomes and businesses.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. The fantastic work of scientists and others in developing a vaccine has been a tremendous achievement for our country and allowed us to feel hopeful again. We want to thank everybody involved in getting us this far, from the brilliant scientists to the trial volunteers, and our frontline NHS staff delivering the vaccine.

Labour has urged the Government to match the nation’s ambition and speed up vaccine delivery across England by:  Offering 24/7 vaccinations using a wider range of venues, staff and volunteers to deliver two million vaccines per week initially and four million per week by the end of February. Putting the nation’s 11,500 pharmacies at the heart of the roll-out to guarantee vaccines can be delivered on every high street.  Harnessing the resources of local government with councils across the country offering support.

The sooner the vaccine is rolled out, the sooner we can begin to recover.

That’s why Labour and the Trade Union Council has launched the “Let’s Vaccinate Britain” campaign, to issue a rallying cry for hundreds of thousands of Labour members and millions of trade unionists to be getting involved, volunteering and helping out in every village, town and city. Because, whenever our country has been at a time of need, the Labour movement has always stood up, moving heaven and earth to help in the national interest.

You can play a part in this by signing-up to volunteer here . Every effort made can make such a difference.

We were the first country in the world to get the vaccine, let’s be the first in the world to get our country vaccinated.

Best wishes,

Lee

Membership Services and Correspondence

The Labour Party

370574 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1182 of 2137 🔗

So for a start, you can take away from that missive, that contrary to the Opposition propaganda prior to and throughout, that the government do not care about the NHS, all of this has been necessary to protect the NHS. That suggests that they accept the the Tories do care.about the NHS. Throw that one back in their faces at the next election.

Other than that, the key question is, if the opposition didn’t think that the steps weren’t enough, why did they step aside and nod everything through.

370787 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Steve Martindale, #1183 of 2137 🔗

That response surely plumbs new depths of ignorance and stupidity. We need some proper opposition. On the streets if required. The next month will be key.

370375 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1184 of 2137 🔗

Hopefully someone will correct these numbers if I’ve got something wrong somewhere.

Ignoring the destruction of the economy which blows these numbers completely out of the water, the government has already borrowed £350,000,000,000.
Taking Prof. Pantsdowns worst estimate of 500,000 deaths – 90,000 actual that leaves 410,000 “saved”. £350,000,000 / 410,000 = £850,000 pp saved.
They’re planning on borrowing even more this year so that £850,000 is only going to increase.

370376 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1185 of 2137 🔗

yes, precisely

even Ferguson’s ‘lockdown saved 500,000 people 10 years each’ nonsense, that is 5 million QALYs at 20k each is only £100 billion. We have spent far more than that. A 2008 style recession takes 3 months off everyones life on average – thats 15 million QALYs – and this recession is far bigger

you can’t make the maths work to make disrupting everyone to add a few years of life to a tiny minority worth it – even if lockdown worked (which it doesn’t)

370609 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1186 of 2137 🔗

I can never see that acronym without thinking of That Hideous Strength . 

370369 kev, replying to kev, 22, #1187 of 2137 🔗

Bars and restaurants should not open before May, a scientist who sits on a sub-group of Sage (the government’s scientific advisory committee) suggests.
Dr Marc Baguelin, from Imperial College London , says reopening hospitality businesses too early could lead to a “bump” in Covid cases.
“We looked at the partial reopening and the increase in the R number, it will generate an increase in the R number, the extent of which we don’t know really ,” he tells BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme.
The R number is the average number of people that one infected person passes the virus on to.
“Something of this scale, if it was to happen earlier than May, would generate a bump in transmission, which is already really bad,” he says.
“So you have a lot of pressure on hospitals, you will have another wave of some extent.
“At best you will keep on having a very, very unsustainable level of pressure on the NHS.”

There are no words!

370389 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to kev, 19, #1188 of 2137 🔗

Another incredibly risk-averse scientist obsessed with his magic models, totally divorced from reality and how normal people actually live.

370486 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Poppy, 3, #1189 of 2137 🔗

Only if paid for directly from his pension fund and house sale!

370396 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to kev, 3, #1190 of 2137 🔗

There are always words…. just not always appropriate!

370403 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to kev, 4, #1191 of 2137 🔗

“We looked at the partial reopening and the increase in the R number, it will generate an increase in the R number, the extent of which we don’t know really ,”  So it could even be….. ZERO?

370442 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to vargas99, 3, #1192 of 2137 🔗

In practice, ‘R’ is purely a theoretical number that crap modelers play with as part of their nerdy computer gaming.

… and you remember what such modelling has brought us?

370452 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, #1193 of 2137 🔗

You can play it yourself right here:-

https://covidsim.org/v3.20210119/?place=gb

This is what qualifies as science these days. Just pick an R number. All created by Imperial of course.

370484 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to kev, 7, #1194 of 2137 🔗

Well, the lockdowns, social distancing, masks etc etc have worked a treat in the last ten months haven’t they Dr Baguelin?. Oh, wait, I forgot, its all our fault all these measures aren’t working and infections are going up, how stupid of me.

I’ve got two words for Dr Marc Baguelin, Fuck Off!

370570 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kev, 2, #1195 of 2137 🔗

Take it he doesn’t know anyone who is involved in hospitality .

370592 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to arfurmo, #1196 of 2137 🔗

Not friends anyway, not now!

370373 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 40, #1197 of 2137 🔗

And now for some light relief!

If you really want a laugh amidst the doom and gloom of Covid and its horrors, you need only consider the latest scare stories from the ‘mail on line’ this week and other arms of the MSM.

Covid is now responsible for EVERYTHING that affects the human condition. A man who was suffering from hiccups that lasted for four days tested positive for Covid. Tinnitus and stammering are confirmed effects of Covid. ‘Covid toe’ (whatever that may be?) is making the life of one person unbearable. An inability to concentrate and feelings of depression and anxiety are now thought to be the direct effects of Covid entering the brain and doing its utmost. Apparently, a woman in Strasbourg claimed to be hearing voices when alone in a room and was not surprised when tested positive for Covid. The funniest Covid claim was reported by Vanessa Beeley on UK column yesterday which cited a man who had an erection that lasted for FOUR hours and was then tested positive for Covid. With this latter example one might be tempted to think that rather than be seen as a frightening and disabling condition some might see it as a ‘Covid bonus’. Stand by for a stampede by ageing men to the nearest covid hot spot! And then of course there is that sure fire sign that Covid is ravaging a person with all its fury…..they feel tired and listless and moody!

Humanity is being stood on its head. No longer do we suffer from multiple ailments and illnesses with a myriad of different causes. All along, every malady that afflicts us is now down to Covid. But of course, we know don’t we that Covid is responsible for one thing and one thing only and that is the greatest hoax and mass hysteria that has ever been foisted on planet earth and its inhabitants.

370388 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1198 of 2137 🔗

I cut my finger from a broken glass and it’s Covids fault.

370457 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1199 of 2137 🔗

Sure cure for Covid in men: lay off the Viagra.

370565 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1200 of 2137 🔗

If a friend is , err, unable to perform , would covid be the reason?

370620 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1201 of 2137 🔗

I loved it when Vanessa Beeley lost it with the giggles when mentioning the four hour erection. This kind of ridicule is the way to get people to finally see how, well, ridiculous it all is, and undo their brainwashing.

370631 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1202 of 2137 🔗

Has priapism vanished along with influenza?

370662 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1203 of 2137 🔗

Have an uptick for vocabulary skills

370374 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 48, #1204 of 2137 🔗

Morrisons today, my first ask for months about not wearing a mask. Not from the door guard but from a customer in the florist department. It wasn’t a nasty ask, more a curious one? Just said that I hadn’t a mask on as I wasn’t intending to rob the shop. She laughed and said that it was all rather stupid wasn’t it. Had a quick chat regarding how absolutely daft it all was. I’m sure she’ll keep her mask on but hopefully next time the BBC says how awful non-maskers are she’ll remember “not robbing the shop” as a counter point

370482 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to EllGee, 8, #1205 of 2137 🔗

Good for you not immediately making an issue or being confrontational. It is like this that we can convert fence sitters.

370378 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 33, #1206 of 2137 🔗

Remember when they started searching for a vaccine and sceptics pointed out that no vaccine has been found for a coronavirus yet and it would likely take years. Well we were right as usual but instead they just created a medicine and called it a “vaccine”. So if at some point in the future they genuinely do find a vaccine are they going to tell everyone who’s had the “vaccine” that they now need the vaccine because the “vaccine” they had wasn’t a vaccine?

370387 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Achilles, 6, #1207 of 2137 🔗

I remember some people thinking that there would be a vaccine by Sept last year and it was like oh you sweet summer children.

370379 DThom, replying to DThom, 18, #1208 of 2137 🔗

What a pleasant day. Went to Sunderland to get the car serviced. Everything seemed more relaxed. Still lots of shops boarded up but less masks in public. Amazed that Morrisons did not even have a security guard! Lots if people walking on the beaches.

370383 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to DThom, 10, #1209 of 2137 🔗

Bet you never thought you would be saying all of that this time last year.

370455 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to DThom, 10, #1210 of 2137 🔗

I live in Seaham and I must say, it is very rare to see anyone masked outside when walking about along the sea front. Always plenty of people walking about which is great to see. it has been the same since the beginning of the second lockdown. Nobody really taking any notice of it.

370583 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to FlynnQuill, 1, #1211 of 2137 🔗

Excellent

370760 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to FlynnQuill, #1212 of 2137 🔗

Great news. Good to hear.

370582 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DThom, 2, #1213 of 2137 🔗

Great. That makes me feel better

370596 ▶▶ kev, replying to DThom, 3, #1214 of 2137 🔗

Did the car have Covid? I think mine has, it won’t start, the battery is DEAD! We know things only die of Covid now, nothing else.

370392 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1215 of 2137 🔗

Dr. Simone Gold arrested. I think many here will have seen her presentation on vaccines
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9165163/Beverly-Hills-doctor-Simone-Gold-arrested-connection-Capitol-riots.html

370402 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1216 of 2137 🔗

The woke Cheka need to make examples…pour encourager les autres….

370413 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1217 of 2137 🔗

That is truly horrible news.

‘the insurrection that occurred in D.C. earlier in the month.’

Insurrection?

370437 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #1218 of 2137 🔗

Apparently – this was the basis for Trump’s 2nd impeachment, the fact it was named an “insurrection.” When the Capitol was stormed by tolerant leftists during the hearings for Supreme Court judge Kavanagh, it was merely an unfortunate incident.

But if the press is going with the ‘insurrection’ theme, several individuals arrested in conjunction with this event – Logan Grimes, John Sullivan – have clearly documented connections to the BLM group. When Sullivan was arrested the British press certainly made this clear. Sky Sports & the Premier League do not appear to have removed their vocal support for the group, which I for one find intriguing, if they are giving implied support to an ‘insurrection’.

370563 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1219 of 2137 🔗

I thought the pols and media kept harping on the, “insurrection,” to pave the way for Biden to invoke the Insurrection Act.

Thankfully, I am wrong….so far…

370993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to awildgoose, #1220 of 2137 🔗

Don’t hold your breath yet. Looks like the Dems view of Antifa as useful to blame Trump supporters might be running out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-s-democratic-party-offices-vandalized-amid-post-inauguration-protests-n1255118

Anyone want to rethink their thought on who was behind the Captial “riot”

370467 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #1221 of 2137 🔗

The general drone that inhabits this world thinks the social media censoring people is just grand,as they have been so lax before and allowed an attempted ‘coup’! We are done here, the majority are hypnotised.

370430 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1222 of 2137 🔗

The purge of all opposition begins. Remember marxism has no opposition.

370435 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1223 of 2137 🔗

… but this is neoliberal global capitalism at work. So your point is?

370470 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 4, #1224 of 2137 🔗

Wrong. This is a plutocracy who transcend elected government at work.

370473 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, #1225 of 2137 🔗

Exactly:
Neo liberals.
Globalists.
Cartel capitalists.
Soros & NEF in a nutshell.

370559 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1226 of 2137 🔗

The pictures in that article are hilarious really. Rioting indeed! They look like Joe Q. Tourist on visiting day!

370395 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 16, #1227 of 2137 🔗

Williamson, surely even by this government’s standard one of the most inept minister’s in UK History said this morning the disruption to UK Education this year is greater than World War 2. That say’s more than I could about him and this appalling government and I am sad to say the mental fibre of this once great nation.

370434 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nottingham69, 6, #1228 of 2137 🔗

This cabinet is generally the most inept collection of non-talent that I can remember.

A cynic might say that it’s perfect for manipulation.

370468 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #1229 of 2137 🔗

They’ve done well at manipulating us but that probably wasn’t the cabinet but various evil collaborators

370450 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, 12, #1230 of 2137 🔗

In WW2people fell over backward to ensure that education kept going.
What a difference from the Age of the Coward.

370404 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 15, #1232 of 2137 🔗

The Bhakti interview is excellent. He did one a while back for Triggernometry, when I thought he was not always making his point clearly, but this time he is more confident, I think. Makes his points calmly, but firmly.

He comes across as so rational, caring, humane and mild-mannered, that it is difficult to portray him as a heartless granny murderer. And his scientific credentials are excellent. He has been great ever since last March, but only recently made it into English-speaking media.

It is no surprise that he is pensioned, like many other open sceptics. I think the pressure/intimidation on those still in the establishment is enormous.

If we can get any waiverers (or even zealots) to watch him, he could make some impact. His concern for his own children, grandchildren is palpable.

https://vimeo.com/498561475

370532 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #1233 of 2137 🔗

He is clearly a very kind and compassionate human being and has such a calm manner about him. It’s a joy listening to him. And what he says makes such sense. I first watched this German language video (with translation) which is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uo2KGiSjrw

370577 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1234 of 2137 🔗

Yes we love listening to him too. You can also tell how frustrated he is with this whole shit show.

370856 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #1235 of 2137 🔗

He has been a strong voice of opposition since day 1. In one of his first videos he remarked “if tomorrow Merkel announced we all need to crawl on our knees, most people would do that too”. He came as a refugee / dissenter from Thailand to Germany and build a phenomenal career. He trained thousands of doctors. His disappointment with those not speaking up despite that they should know better is also palpable.

370420 nocheesegromit, 8, #1236 of 2137 🔗

I have lost the comment now but thank you to whoever posted the New Normal documentary. It has changed my opinion on the true purpose of the pandemic, particularly RE: the ‘build back better’ slogans (very sinister) and the model from 2019.

370421 Will, replying to Will, 14, #1237 of 2137 🔗

And lo and behold the Imperial “spike” is predicated on lockdown not being observed. Because if lockdown isn’t being observed cases have to rise!??! Christ they are getting desperate.

370464 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 5, #1238 of 2137 🔗

Getting desperate but also getting away with it

370495 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 2, #1239 of 2137 🔗

The spectator has highlighted it so it could be that the Telegraph starts asking questions as well.

370614 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Will, #1240 of 2137 🔗

Telegraph Already has in the editorial email I got today

370424 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 28, #1241 of 2137 🔗

So the fat useless clown is already priming us for not unlocking til summer now ! hey – howsabout just close down for the rest of the year !

Or, people lets give them the big middle finger and release ourselves from this purgatory !

370427 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1242 of 2137 🔗

By reference to the latest dodgy data from ICL – the React study.

370472 ▶▶ alw, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1243 of 2137 🔗

Gather there is a move afoot to open pubs and restaurants on 30th January irrespective of regulations. Can anyone confirm? In any event it is high time for people to control.

370531 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to alw, 4, #1244 of 2137 🔗

There’s a few bits about it on Twitter; https://twitter.com/search?q=%23GreatReopening&src=typeahead_click&f=live

I really hope it happens, Mrs Sceptic and myself will be in as many places as possible that day giving our full support

370560 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #1245 of 2137 🔗

Even though served by muzzeloids and punters being requested to muzzle up on entry and exit?

370580 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, #1246 of 2137 🔗

You’d like to think they may as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb but…

370426 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1247 of 2137 🔗

In the next few days, Govts around the world will quietly turn down the PCR testing threshold (from the current 45 in the UK, to something like 30). This will of course reduces cases and therefore ‘deaths’ from the virus.

The reduction in cases will be attributed to the lockdowns and the vaccines.

Govt gets out of jail.

Let’s not let them get away with this.

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105592762924532271

obviously WHO is paving the road …….

WHO Information Notice for IVD Users
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

370463 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 5, #1248 of 2137 🔗

It’s not the ideal result as it leaves us exposed to further scams, but I think it’s not going to happen

We’ve got the vaccine so they could declare victory here but they don’t want to

So maybe it wasn’t about the virus OR the vaccine, but about perpetual states of emergency

370466 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 10, #1249 of 2137 🔗

Tbh, good.
The covidiots do not understand PCR and what has been wrong with it anyway, so if lying to them with different facts brings us out of this mess, then yes.
As long as they do not start doing Lockdowns next winter, by then we might have had a chance to educate people.

370483 ▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 1, #1250 of 2137 🔗

NZ doesn’t allow this to happen though unless the woman with the teeth let’s people die.

370746 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Victoria, 1, #1251 of 2137 🔗

One thing bothers me about this. Up until yesterday, Donald Trump was president of the United States and clearly not a covid fanatic. If anybody can instruct the medics of the USA to reduce the Ct count of PCR tests then surely it is him? And if he could do it then why didn’t he? I fully understand that such a move is possible now because Biden etc, but Trump could have done it long ago and didn’t.

Strange.

370850 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Old Bill, #1252 of 2137 🔗

The CDC / Fauci hate Trump. They will have more say than him in the super labs and would have overridden any instructions by him. With the exception of maybe Florida…

370845 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Victoria, #1253 of 2137 🔗

Then we need cameras inside the Superlabs and documentation. How do we achieve that? We need evidence, whistleblowers. Ffs do people not realise that they can play this game on us forever?

370432 Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #1254 of 2137 🔗

The Imperial modelling group says ‘Jump’, and the Fat Controller asks ‘How high?’.

370433 Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), 10, #1255 of 2137 🔗
370501 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), 2, #1256 of 2137 🔗

Well, I don’t know! If the ‘vaccine’ doesn’t stop one catching Covid19 then we’ll probably reach it anyway!

DavidC

The ‘experts’ ….4 epidemiologists/modellers…….

370438 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1258 of 2137 🔗

Nobody in Australia or anywhere else took any notice a few weeks ago when China was appointed to the UN’s human rights committee. Because everyone was fixated on Trump and covid.

Welcome to 2021. Fuck the UN. Defund the UN. Destroy the UN.

https://twitter.com/UNWatch/status/1351894840800399360

370509 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1259 of 2137 🔗

So ‘Destroy the UN’.

Then what? How has that actually addressed the inherent issues around power and corruption – the issues behind the shitshow?

370518 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to RickH, 3, #1260 of 2137 🔗

It would be a good start

370524 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1261 of 2137 🔗

Didn’t Saudi Arabia head the UN women’s rights commission ?

370445 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1262 of 2137 🔗

Ex-Pfizer Head of Research Says COVID Vaccine Could Sterilize Women

A former head of respiratory research at Pfizer and a former public health department head have filed a joint petition to the European Medicine Agency, asking for the immediate suspension of all SARS-CoV-2 vaccine studies.

Dr. Michael Yeadon and Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg said certain safety concerns with the vaccines have not been addressed. One problem is that the PCR test is notoriously inaccurate. But another, more pressing issue is that the spike proteins in the vaccines contain synctytin-homologous proteins, which can cause infertility.

Also concerning is that the mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol, which can cause potentially life-threatening reactions to the vaccine. The duo said they filed the lawsuit in December because the vaccines’ studies have not been long enough to know what the long-term side effects might be.

https://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vitalvotes/archive/2021/01/19/expfizer-head-of-research-says-covid-vaccine-could-sterilize-women.aspx

https://principia-scientific.com/head-of-pfizer-research-covid-vaccine-is-female-sterilization/ — published Dec 10, 2020

370456 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 5, #1263 of 2137 🔗

Remember the CDC publishing first figures of vaccinations, they had a breakdown who they vaccinated.
There was a line for “Pregnant” Would be interesting to get feedback if any adverse affects so far.

370462 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Victoria, 17, #1264 of 2137 🔗

Remember when all the establishment were poo poohing Dr Yeadons warnings of the false positive rate.
Now as if by magic, the WHO is recommending a 2nd confirmation test due to the known false positive problem

I wonder what changed yesterday?

370477 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #1265 of 2137 🔗

Biden became president. Mission accomplished.

370519 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1266 of 2137 🔗

Fauci/CDC said a while ago that 45 cycles was too high but no-one who matters paid it any heed

370493 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1267 of 2137 🔗

Any idea if there has to be a retrospective adjustment of the Pillar 2 tests (some reported to have been conducted at 45 Ct)?

370525 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #1268 of 2137 🔗

They’re going to run all future tests through Dominion tabulators so they can adjudicate the results to whatever they want.

370471 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 18, #1269 of 2137 🔗

It’s bullshit.

We know it’s bullshit.

They know it’s bullshit.

They know we know it’s bullshit.

370499 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #1270 of 2137 🔗

But who’s ‘we’?

370485 Nobody2021, 7, #1271 of 2137 🔗

I remember growing up as a little boy how I used to love going out to play in the snow. For the life of me I can’t ever remember my parents saying “try not to die in it dear”.

Times must have changed and snow or winter weather in general must be more deadly now than it was in years gone by.

Why else would there be a need for people to be told that there is a “risk to life” whenever it snows heavily? I do believe that today’s rain is also more dangerous on the same basis.

If the general mindset has been set to believe that there is danger all around then is it any wonder why many are so scared of this virus?

370487 NWC17, replying to NWC17, 9, #1272 of 2137 🔗

Just seen the followin on the side of a bus in Salford: ” Act like you’ve got it ” with regards to Covid, by the NHS.

Seems project fear includes inducing hypochondria on the population.

370654 ▶▶ Paul, replying to NWC17, 2, #1273 of 2137 🔗

It would prefer it if the majority of the population could maybe begin to act as if they had brains of their own.

370964 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NWC17, #1274 of 2137 🔗

If everyone followed the advice, they would all be self-isolating, indefinitely, and it would not be long before virtually everyone was dead.

370491 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 25, #1275 of 2137 🔗

DM comment:

Make them to wear a Covid denier badge and if they do it again send them to a camp and force them to take the vaccine. It’s the only way.”

10 upvotes so far, without a hint of recognition. Amazing.

370492 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1276 of 2137 🔗

Is it safe to say Godwin’s Law has been met?

370510 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1277 of 2137 🔗

Godwin’s law has been suspended under the Coronavirus Act 2020. All fascist sentiment is to be considered legitimate discourse. Any mockery thereof may result in a £200 fine.

370497 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1278 of 2137 🔗

Maybe it is sarcasm and the upvoters recognised as such?

370535 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Silke David, 1, #1279 of 2137 🔗

I hope so. But it’s the DM….

370578 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1280 of 2137 🔗

You could have said yellow star and it still would go over their head.

370500 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #1281 of 2137 🔗

It’s comments and up votes like that which concern me most. We like to think of that Stasi type mindset as being part of the “other” – another country, another people, another system. But it’s right here in our own people, and it’s appalling.

370526 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 7, #1282 of 2137 🔗

read ‘Ordinary Men’ by Christopher Browning, for an account of how easy it was in nazi Germany to turn normies into deranged psychopaths – more confirmation of Solzhenitsyn’s observation that evil isn’t ‘out there’ – it’s in us, all of us

370504 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1283 of 2137 🔗

Yikes. Out of curiosity, what for?

370669 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1285 of 2137 🔗

The hope is when the enforcers of the governments will realise that this will affect their families as well they will turn on the regime.

370508 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1286 of 2137 🔗

Can’t wait for the day when these covid zealots realise that the Slippery Pig’s magic water isn’t going to give them their freedoms back. Oh, the tears.

It’s coming soon.

370514 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1287 of 2137 🔗

was that you trolling the sheep, Kyle?

370536 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1288 of 2137 🔗

Keep it up, Kyle! I hope you added your down-vote. We’re against the 99 per cent here. If they put us all together in the same camp, we might just be able to cause some havoc!

370539 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1289 of 2137 🔗

😉

370835 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1290 of 2137 🔗

Completely off-topic, GrannySlayer… I’m a bit disappointed your Kyle Reese picture is no longer there. I used to really fancy his character in The Terminator 😉

371240 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nymeria, #1291 of 2137 🔗

Hahaha, sorry to disappoint. 🙂

370594 ▶▶ wayno, replying to GrannySlayer, #1292 of 2137 🔗

Lots of bots comments. Same comments repeated time and time again

370511 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #1293 of 2137 🔗

So the WHO make an announcement which if followed will basically end the casedemic and we are left with a new virus that is endemic and seasonal but no special precautions are needed over.

We know WHO is owned by China – that’s why Taiwan aren’t allowed in. We know China hates Trump and we now know that Biden is China’s preferred candidate

I’m surprised China didn’t wait a few weeks to make it look less obvious – but its probably fair to say this is the beginning of the end of the ‘pandemic’

370515 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 9, #1294 of 2137 🔗

Wishful thinking IMO

No sign SAGE and the tossers supposedly running the country have read that memo – quite the opposite

370521 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 7, #1295 of 2137 🔗

There’s no doubt there are other agendas – messiah ferguson, pharma, mask manufacturers, public sector workers, virtue signallers etc. But one of the big drivers of this – China (through the WHO) – now wants it to be over

370542 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 6, #1296 of 2137 🔗

I think that China is – ironically – one of the more transparent actors in all this. They played a blinder, with all the others choosing to fall into line in search of similar gains. But which interest came out on top?

370557 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 2, #1297 of 2137 🔗

Outside of Wuhan, the average length of lockdown in Chinese cities was two weeks,

Two weeks !

370561 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to steve_w, 4, #1298 of 2137 🔗

Of course china want it to be over .. cant have recessions in the west that stop the public from buying their tat.
i remember reading a few years ago that something like 10% of all shipping was tat being delivered from china to Walmart. Percentage may be wrong but the principle is correct

370528 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 4, #1299 of 2137 🔗

Isn’t that because SAG’s members have vested interests in keeping the fear pumped up for as long as possible? So we’re not supposed to know about it.

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

No doubt they’ll milk it for all it’s worth just till they make their pile.

370551 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Julian, 2, #1300 of 2137 🔗

No, but I suspect the new regime in the US HAVE got the memo – article in USA Today suggesting the president takes immediate steps to remove lockdown. I suspect the Chinese paid members of SAGE will be manoeuvring to drop Boris in the shit and get Starmer in whereupon we will beg to rejoin the EU on slavery terms.

370852 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, #1301 of 2137 🔗

BTW I note that Witless is doing the rounds on the media trying to push the Govt into a more restrictive lockdown (God knows what that would look like). However, he seems to be somewhat desperate as he stated the Govt are ‘at war within themselves’ with this. Now that gives me massive hope as it sounds like the CRG Group and probably other Tory MPs are bringing pressure to bear on Johnson and his Confederacy of Dunces. Something about the economy might just be trickling through…………………………

370527 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #1302 of 2137 🔗

“We know WHO is owned by China”

How do we know that?

370538 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 3, #1303 of 2137 🔗

they won’t let Taiwan in

370540 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #1304 of 2137 🔗

Taiwan hasn’t been a member of any UN organizations since 1971.

How much money does China contribute to WHO compared to other countries and institutions?

370544 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 4, #1305 of 2137 🔗

I think its more how much they bribe WHO leaders with

370547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #1306 of 2137 🔗

Where is the evidence for that?

370549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 5, #1307 of 2137 🔗

its a modelling assumption

370553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #1308 of 2137 🔗

Ah I see 🙂

370556 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #1309 of 2137 🔗

not just Imperial that can play that game!

370550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #1310 of 2137 🔗

Gates Foundation – 9,76%

GAVI – 8.39%

UK – 7.79&

Germany – 5.68%

The four next biggest donors are international bodies: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (5.09 per cent), World Bank (3.42 per cent), Rotary International (3.3 per cent), and the European Commission (3.3 per cent). India makes up 0.48 per cent of total contributions, and China 0.21 per cent.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/trump-threatens-to-stop-money-to-who-how-is-it-funded-currently-6353566/

370575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tim Bidie, #1312 of 2137 🔗

Par for the course.

Go for the best deal.

370705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to rockoman, -1, #1313 of 2137 🔗

Or not really:

China’s influence in the WHO started well before the pandemic. Back in 2017, Tedros touted the Belt and Road’s role in advancing access to high-quality health care and parroted Beijing’s call for the creation of a “Health Silk Road” to promote China’s health care model in Belt and Road countries. This was just months after representatives from Tedros’ home country, Ethiopia, attended China’s first Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, marking the culmination of years of heavy Chinese investment in Ethiopia.’

‘Beijing’s leverage over the WHO cannot be understood independently of a much longer and broader campaign, one that aims to bend the arc of global governance toward a more illiberal orientation that privileges the interests of authoritarian actors.

Over the past several years, Beijing has systematically positioned Chinese nationals at the head of a wide range of U.N. agencies.’

‘Even the International Civil Aviation Organization, the U.N. agency that regulates global air travel headed by Fang Liu, a Chinese national, has been accused of keeping Taiwan out of the loop on Covid-19 protocols.’

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/15/its-not-just-the-who-how-china-is-moving-on-the-whole-un-189029

370589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 2, #1314 of 2137 🔗

china dont have to fund WHO.. They just need to influence by whatever means suits best the people and countries that are involved with WHO.

370613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, 1, #1315 of 2137 🔗

Better tell Bill he’s wasting his money then.

China have got WHO sewn up.

370954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to rockoman, #1316 of 2137 🔗

Since the Gates Foundation provide a vast amount of funding for GAVI, (over $4b) shouldn’t that really read

Bill Gates – 18.07%

https://www.gavi.org/investing-gavi/funding/donor-profiles/bill-melinda-gates-foundation

370657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to steve_w, 3, #1317 of 2137 🔗

Note that China and other Asian countries waged political war to install their candidate Tedros at the top of WHO over the preferred candidate of the UK, US, and other Western countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom

370576 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 3, #1318 of 2137 🔗

and Taiwan have been excluded from everything because of china and their influence. Remember that China still claims sovereignty over Taiwan and so tries to stop any diplomatic recognition.

370581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mj, 2, #1319 of 2137 🔗

That does not prove that China controls the WHO.

370834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, #1320 of 2137 🔗

如今北京情況怎樣?

370869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, -1, #1321 of 2137 🔗

Bill Gates is the second biggest funder. I think all this anti-China BS has to stop, it’s not relevant, some of it isn’t true and the fact is they have a far more intelligent Govt than we do. Yes, they do invest internationally but they don’t start wars, invade countries and destroy civilisations as the USA do. This is much closer to home and should remain so. China should not be made a scapegoat for any of this.

It is world Govts that are at fault. I was interested in yesterday’s article about a company funded by the USA seeking to develop a vaccine for all coronaviruses and they were in Wuhan at the time of the alleged ‘leak’ from the Laboratory as were the USA military. For what it’s worth, I think China knew they were dealing with a manufactured USA bio hazard (Japanese and Taiwanese scientists tracked it back to a Lab in the USA – article in Vineyard of the Saker if it is still on there) given the USA were losing the Trade War they had started with them and were trying to push something. That’s why they took the dramatic action that they did, to very good effect and for a very limited amount of time. That’s why they built those isolation hospitals. The rest of the World, without so much as a breath to stop and think, went full on lockdown and restrictions for their own political gain.

370573 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, #1322 of 2137 🔗

lucky for them

370533 ▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 1, #1323 of 2137 🔗

In your dreams…

370555 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to steve_w, 1, #1324 of 2137 🔗

The entire idea of lockdown comes from the upper reaches of the CCP, possibly Xi himself.

We also know China is paying scads of Western pols, here is one example:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-institute-refuses-disclose-donors-blinken-faces-questions-over-22-million-anonymous

We also know, through informed observers is that China promotes and exports the, “China Model,” as an alternative to Western systems.

It is also obvious the globalist technocrat class are much in love with the China Model via their words and deeds.

370564 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1325 of 2137 🔗

I view the ‘China did it’ narrative as accomplishing a number of different aims:

Externalizes blame

Possible propaganda preparation for war

Fallback position should all else fail.

Legitimizes the idea of a ‘deadly’ virus, thus supporting the whole lockdown narrative.

Offers a plausible ‘conspiracy theory’ for those who perhaps might look for one – in the direction of a geopolitical competitor.

370579 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 4, #1326 of 2137 🔗

Its quite possible for events to have multiple drivers – the world is messy like that

370591 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #1327 of 2137 🔗

I agree.

I would certainly guess that someone in China at some level is working or has been working with the agenda. I would note:

The US funding for the Wuhan lab.
The sacking of the provincial hierarchy by the CCP leadership.

China isn’t monolithic. We can be sure that factions compete just as with any organization.

370600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 3, #1328 of 2137 🔗

The Chinese pushed lockdowns but didn’t do much of it themselves

Why?

370621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 2, #1329 of 2137 🔗

They stopped because in March they came to the conclusion that covid wasn’t serious.

370641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, -1, #1330 of 2137 🔗

We know there are not air pollution incidents across the Western world.

So why are Western governments unable to conclude that Covid is not serious and end lockdown?

370628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, 2, #1331 of 2137 🔗

I think it’s highly instructive to recall the Western media’s hysterical response to a carefully selected subset of videos allegedly showing randos dropping dead in the streets and welding people in their homes.

370630 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 1, #1332 of 2137 🔗

None of the Western govs are going to war with China.

Any tough talk from Western govs on that front is simply a put-up job.

370523 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 26, #1333 of 2137 🔗

Steam release…..

I cannot be the only one who is driven to apoplectic distraction by headlines that refer to the ”virus causing this” and ”virus causing that” – NO, it bl**dy well is not the virus!

I posted something earlier today, and I’ve been thinking about it since. I said we know that in excess of 99 per cent of people are at no risk from the virus. Isn’t that just about the same percentage of dimwits of the population who think they ARE at risk?

I don’t drink much normally – but I’m off to crack open a bottle of Australian. That’ll see me through the evening……
sigh

370543 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 8, #1334 of 2137 🔗

No you are not. I feel exactly the same. The MSM are scraping the barrel now trying to blame every health problem on COVID!

370552 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Banjones, 4, #1335 of 2137 🔗

In saying this they are implicitly stating that there are no other options.

Yet it doesn’t take much searching to see places around the world doing things differently with no worse and often better results.

370934 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, #1336 of 2137 🔗

Belarus?

370978 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nobody2021, #1337 of 2137 🔗

Are the North Dakotans looking down at the South Dakotans thinking why can’t we be like them? If (I know, stay with me here) Wales went all Sweden the traffic jam westwards on the M4 would be seen from Outer Space.

370752 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Banjones, 2, #1338 of 2137 🔗

I don’t believe that this has affected enough working age people to have had any effect on the economy in 2020 were it not for mass testing, shutdowns and press/social media hysteria. Twenty years ago when the testing wasn’t possible this disaster couldn’t have happened. In the bad flu year of 2000 the economy grew by 3.5%. Instead we’ve gone for -8.6%, (ONS as at November). We must be sinking fast now as well.

370548 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #1339 of 2137 🔗

Article in Spiked Online = https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/21/lockdowns-cripple-the-poor-and-pamper-the-rich/

Key point – the relatively wealthy have done well out of lockdown while the working class and the poor have been devastated

Since the decisions are made by the top 5% who are personally OK (if inconvenienced), unless they are business owners (many of whom have been devastated) – I cannot see lockdown changing unless the interests of the wealthy are in some ways visibly threatened

370569 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1340 of 2137 🔗

I have been completely naive to how much this has affected woman due to my own personal bias as a man. Any ladies care to advise why they think this might be the case?

370624 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1341 of 2137 🔗

It was a genuine question. I am shocked at the disproportionate affect. Sorry if it came across crude or ignorant.

370742 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1342 of 2137 🔗

Sorry, no, I don’t know.
I would have thought it would be about equal.
In the US, to my knowledge, suicide rates among men is higher than for women.

370823 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, -1, #1343 of 2137 🔗

Yeah I would have thought similar it’s surprising.

370571 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #1344 of 2137 🔗

I always though the Labour Party was supposed to represent the working person. That got lost somewhat.

370672 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nottingham69, 4, #1345 of 2137 🔗

Working person – Woking person.

370721 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Old Bill, #1346 of 2137 🔗

what about people in Guildford??

370925 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, #1347 of 2137 🔗

It got lost around 1976. Since when there have been some few attempts to address it, but none have been successful.

370595 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1348 of 2137 🔗

There’s a film on Netflix called The Platform that is an interesting look into how society functions. An allegory of sorts.

The basic premise is that people at the top take as much as they want and leave the leftovers for those below them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Platform_(film)

The Platform (Spanish: El hoyo , transl. The Hole ) is a 2019 Spanish social science fiction-horror film directed by Galder Gaztelu-Urrutia. The film is set in a large, tower-style “Vertical Self-Management Center”. Its residents, who are switched every 30 days between its many floors, are fed via a platform which, initially filled with food at the top floor, gradually descends through the tower’s levels, stopping for a fixed amount of time on each. The system inevitably leads to conflict, as the residents at the top levels get to eat as much as they can, with each level getting only the leftovers from the previous ones

370612 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Aslangeo, 4, #1349 of 2137 🔗

The Labour party despise the working class as borne out by Lady Nugee and her white van man tirade

370703 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1350 of 2137 🔗

They are middle class fabians who despise the working class for never going along with the revolution.

370728 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, #1351 of 2137 🔗

posted on twitter – impact of Covid restrictions by Socio economic group in America – basically the wealthy do fine (unless they are owners of damaged businesses) and the middle income and poorer people suffer more

370921 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Aslangeo, #1352 of 2137 🔗

The billionaires have done fabulously well. The governmental responses to the coronavirus have facilitated a massive and rapid transfer of wealth.

370562 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1353 of 2137 🔗

I know NickR or Ceriain will likely provide a more thorough analysis later, but in today’s death figures for English hospitals (789 reported) there were 28 with no underlying health conditions, aged 25 to 97, and deaths were from 20 October, majority after 17 January. The NHS dashboard suggests deaths in English hospitals peaked last week.

370598 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #1354 of 2137 🔗

You don’t get to be 97 and not have an underlying health condition surely? I reckon you’re lucky to pass 60 without summat or other, even if it’s non-life threatening on its tod.

370675 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1355 of 2137 🔗

My mind might think I’m 25 but my body says different at 66. However, I know that I’m not doing badly.

370709 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1356 of 2137 🔗

Weekly fatalities by age band and Pre Existing Condition (PEC) from the NHS England Hospital data – over 95% of people who die after a covid tests have PEC

370718 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1357 of 2137 🔗

Mix up with figures – this one shows weekly deaths by Pre-existing condition and age band

370885 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1358 of 2137 🔗

The NHS dashboard suggests deaths in English hospitals peaked last week.

Certainly happy to agree with your suggestion, TT. That is for all age groups.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-21-January-2021.xlsx

370566 Alex B, 5, #1359 of 2137 🔗

I was particularly interested in the article by Professor Robert Clancy in Quadrant (lined to in the report on Ivermectin ).
He discusses vaccines and alternative treatments from existing available drugs.
I first read about the possible benefits of Hydroxychloroquine back in March 2020:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0 .
What has interested me ever since is the swimming pool sized quantities of cold water thrown over the possibility that HCQ and other candidates for treatment might be worth investigating.
Regarding HCQ, it was pointed out months and months ago that it appears to work only at the onset of symptoms and not once the illness has fully taken hold.
It is well worth giving Prof. Clancy’s article a look as he discusses all of this.

370568 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 54, #1360 of 2137 🔗

Lockdowns work so if they’re not working it must be because people aren’t following the rules properly. We absolutely know lockdowns work even though they’ve never been tried before and they don’t seem to be working.

This is the intellectual level of thinking going on at the top right now.

370590 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Achilles, 23, #1361 of 2137 🔗

How can the top decision makers even think lockdowns work! As I walk about inner city Manchester and Salford there are so many people going out to work who seen utterly oblivious to a deadly pandemic around them. I spoke to a builder friend who said the whole pandemic thing had passed him by and he hadn’t noticed it. He had been able to work all through since May. We here all know who is working so I won’t list them. I so wish schools would be allowed back, the damage being done to children must be considerable.

370610 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Achilles, 8, #1362 of 2137 🔗

They definitely work. The question is for whom and how.

370737 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Achilles, 1, #1363 of 2137 🔗

Intellectual thinking?? I don’t think so.

It’s more: how can we fool them today? These people are so gullible they’ll believe anything, and if they don’t, we’ll punish them anyway.

370572 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 19, #1364 of 2137 🔗

Just watching NI announce their expected extension to restrictions.

I don’t know why they bother with the pretence that they considered relaxing restrictions every time they announce an extension.

It’s winter, they were never going to relax restrictions till after winter.

370586 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1365 of 2137 🔗

Its like a cat playing with a mouse. Cats are basically psychopaths.

370730 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to thinkaboutit, 3, #1366 of 2137 🔗

My cat isn’t.

370585 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1367 of 2137 🔗

Zinc: the missing link?
“Zinc may be just the 24th most abundant element on our planet, but we’re entirely codependent on it for our physiological function. Among its many roles, including in wound healing, facilitating the production of antioxidants (e.g. superoxide dismutase or SOD) that mop up free radicals and liver function, one if its most important is to support many different aspects of the immune system.

It turns out, many of us are now deficient in zinc, with deficiency having more serious consequences for our immune system, the older we get.
Over the last few months we’ve learned that those who are deficient in zinc are at much higher risk of developing severe covid-19 disease.

The Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) were among the first frontline doctors to include zinc in its MATH+ protocol, with great success.

One drug that was trialled with some success (despite some media reports to the contrary), hydroxychloroquine, owes some of its effectiveness to its role as a zinc ionophore that helps force zinc into cells where it can exert its many modes of action in supporting our recovery from respiratory infections. There is now good evidence for the use of Ivermectin, an anti-helminth, as a prophylatic and treatment for covid-19 disease with the National Institutes for Health (NIH) having just green-lighted its use”

For the lowdown on zinc join ANH-Intl founder, Rob Verkerk PhD, in the video below:

https://youtu.be/TQVrnIM24BE

370756 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, #1368 of 2137 🔗

Merlot and Tequila Sunrise it is for me this weekend 🙂

http://www.dietandfitnesstoday.com/zinc-in-alcohol.php

370593 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 31, #1369 of 2137 🔗

It is clear the government has no intention of fully lifting restrictions and lockdowns in some form are going to be permanent but don’t have the courage to admit this. How do you think people will react if the government admitted lockdowns are going to be permanent.

370597 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ianric, 13, #1370 of 2137 🔗

Yes I think you are right and they know that the reaction would be bad if they were honest

The reaction from MPs is going to be interesting. I would think more and more will break ranks over time

370604 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Julian, 16, #1371 of 2137 🔗

Those spineless cunts will keep their snouts in the trough as long as they can

370601 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ianric, 3, #1372 of 2137 🔗

That is a very, very, very good question.

370603 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ianric, 4, #1373 of 2137 🔗

I’m just surprised more people haven’t worked that out yet.

370618 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 16, #1374 of 2137 🔗

They struggle to accept that any govt in this country could be so evil – they are quickly running out of other explanations

When I ask people now they simply can’t answer

Sunk cost fallacy

370619 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 6, #1375 of 2137 🔗

Those closest to me are still in the apathy stage I am waiting for the anger.

370707 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 12, #1376 of 2137 🔗

They are queuing up for their poison vaccine – thinking that this will release them. Every single person who’s told me (pleased as punch) that they’re ”getting the jab tomorrow” seems to believe this will mean freedom and release from lockdown rules. They are so ignorant and pathetically pleased, I could weep.

370616 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Ianric, 10, #1377 of 2137 🔗

We have chance to wipe out all the Con councillors on May 6th, if the local elections actually go ahead that is.

370626 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to franknhonest, 2, #1378 of 2137 🔗

IF???

370714 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1379 of 2137 🔗

Will they, FP?

370731 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to franknhonest, 3, #1380 of 2137 🔗

I’ve been receiving mail shots from local parties (not Tories) & an email saying the elections will be ‘covid secure’, whatever the hell that means, but you can apply for a postal vote if desired. So they haven’t officially been cancelled, not yet, anyway.

370773 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1381 of 2137 🔗

The problem with postal votes was clear in 2019 – they are totally open to fraud

370627 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ianric, 15, #1382 of 2137 🔗

Even a few months ago I would have expected people to react very badly.

Now, if told that some form of lockdown will be permanent, I would not be surprised if people shrugged, carried on and considered anyone who opposed it strange.

That is what has happened in China, in effect. Total surveillance, confined within their borders, masks everywhere, sudden local very strict lockdowns from time to time

Not a peep.

Ferguson has admitted openly that they are copying China because they’ve discovered the population will accept it.

370646 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to stewart, 9, #1383 of 2137 🔗

With China, the population a crept it because they have no choice. If you oppose them, you disappear.
And you’re never seen again.

370666 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to LMS2, 7, #1384 of 2137 🔗

And that’s the model desired for the West.

370733 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to LMS2, 1, #1385 of 2137 🔗

I think you just had a vision of the not too distant future

370661 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to stewart, 1, #1386 of 2137 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivqsMX_5opo

‘Christmas Carnival in Changsha ( not far from Wuhan ) a few weeks ago.

370645 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ianric, 16, #1387 of 2137 🔗

It’s not a lack of courage it’s the plan.keep offering the hope of freedom and keep postponing the day of freedom.The Overton window has shifted so far that the extension of lockdown until Easter has passed without protest.Get to Easter and extend it deep into summer.Once they get to autumn it will extend into winter again.
The only way to end this is mass civil disobedience.

370665 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1388 of 2137 🔗

This cycle of abuse is intended to inculcate a sense of learned helplessness in the populace.

370696 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1389 of 2137 🔗

We are being governed by psychopaths.

370710 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1390 of 2137 🔗

It is absolutely insane and people still haven’t woke up.

370725 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1391 of 2137 🔗

Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it. They’ll serve.”

370660 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ianric, 3, #1392 of 2137 🔗

Mustn’t grumble.

370699 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ianric, #1393 of 2137 🔗

But WHY would they be permanent so far as a fast-vanishing mild virus is concerned? What would they give as a reason? Of course, we’ll just be drip-fed until we’re all paralysed. A goodly proportion are already.

370715 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, 2, #1394 of 2137 🔗

Reason: New covid variant. Not enough hospital ITU beds. They’ll think of something.

370717 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ianric, 2, #1395 of 2137 🔗

as long as they package it in the right way they’ll be fine with it. Just as I’m sure they would be if they were told to go and boil their heads.

370605 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1396 of 2137 🔗

imagine the glee on the faces of fat clown boris and mengele hancock when they follow France :
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/21/france-mandates-qr-codes-public-businesses-track-customers/

370629 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1397 of 2137 🔗

What if you don’t have a smartphone??
And if you don’t want to be tracked everywhere by the government??

This is the Chinese social credit system coming into full swing now, isn’t it? And no one is now opposing it.

370642 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to LMS2, 12, #1398 of 2137 🔗

“And if you don’t want to be tracked everywhere by the government??”

Why would anyone in their right mind not want to be tracked by the government. It’s like having Mummy and Daddy watch over you in the playground, only better because it’s the government. Maybe it’s just because you’ve got something to hide.

370679 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #1399 of 2137 🔗

The sad part is that the pod people who believe the gov, “cares,” about them actually think this way.

370684 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1400 of 2137 🔗

I’m beginning to think there’s a genetic component to being born without a spine.

370902 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to LMS2, #1401 of 2137 🔗

I don’t have one and regard them with considerable suspicion.

370743 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1402 of 2137 🔗

It looks very similar to the great British success story that was Test & Trace.

370606 LMS2, 6, #1403 of 2137 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=McQtlmmlSBU
James and Laura Chinwag #11

In which Laura reminds us of the government’s constantly moving goalposts.

370607 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 33, #1404 of 2137 🔗

I’m not surprised the government is afraid to let us out I for one can’t wait to run my mouth. People will be bored stiff listening to me, those closest to me already are. Any zealots will be getting a good sceptical beat down (metaphorically speaking of course). For the time being they are protected by their own tunnel vision on social media, but I can’t wait to introduce them to the real world. Their whole position is built on a house of cards. This is the greatest scam of our time and I will take great delight in telling anyone and everyone.

370688 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1405 of 2137 🔗

I can’t wait to rush up to the nearest stranger, clasp them to me, cough violently in their face as I clear my throat, just before singing a verse of ”I wanna be free” and then collapsing in tears on their shoulder. Just like I used to.

370611 Nick Rose, 14, #1406 of 2137 🔗

More dangerous misinformation from a screaming conspiracy theorising nutjob (just in case the authorities are watching…):

https://georgemichael93.medium.com/false-positives-are-crushing-the-nhs-a8486aa1331d

This analysis explores the very likely possibility that staff, patients, and the NHS as a whole are being mismanaged due to the significant proportion of positive COVID-19 cases in Pillar 1 that are false.

370617 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 21, #1407 of 2137 🔗

It’s hard not to read articles like this one without thinking “wtf did you expect would happen”. They have to believe and make everyone else believe that things would have been worse without drastic action otherwise they would have created all this extra suffering for no reason:

Covid in Scotland: No more ‘easy wins’ for hospital staff

The emergency department at Glasgow’s Queen Elizabeth University Hospital is the biggest and busiest in Scotland.

“Those that are coming are the sick people,” he says. “We are undoubtedly seeing the effects of people not seeking healthcare for six to 10 months.

“We are seeing disease that we wouldn’t always see and we are seeing it further down the road.

“We are making more diagnoses that potentially would be made in primary care or outpatient clinics. On top of that we’ve got lots of Covid patients coming through the door.

“So it is those two things together that currently put the NHS under that significant pressure.”

370622 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1408 of 2137 🔗

File under “Duh!”

370625 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1409 of 2137 🔗

Who’d’ve thunk it.

370691 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1410 of 2137 🔗

yeh, no shit Sherlock

370633 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #1411 of 2137 🔗

“Patel now runs through the latest figures including the sad news that there have been 1,290 deaths since yesterday
“Every death its a tragedy,” she says but adds the sacrifices people are making is having an impact on the pandemic.
However she says there are “a small minority who refuse to do the right thing”.
“For them my message is clear – if you don’t follow these rules then the police will enforce them.””

370635 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to p02099003, 5, #1412 of 2137 🔗

Punishing the young with the houseparty fines -was she never young?

370682 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1413 of 2137 🔗

No.

370914 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 1, #1414 of 2137 🔗

Hatched out of an egg buried in the sand by a rabid crocodile.

370690 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 7, #1415 of 2137 🔗

there have been 1,290 deaths since yesterday

Which is a lie, of course.

370918 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1416 of 2137 🔗

Of course it isn’t. Didn’t you get the phone call from her asking if anyone had died in your home since yesterday? Her phone bill must be horrendous.

370634 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1417 of 2137 🔗

Priti Dire announcing new fines to punish those attending house parties at briefing. £800 each. Doubling down on the blame game.
Apparently official figures about the number of fines issued this lockdown will be out next week.

370648 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1418 of 2137 🔗

The home secretary announces a new £800 fine for attending house parties.
it will double for each repeat offence up to £6,400.
Organisers – as was already the case – will be fined £10,000.
It applies to those who attend illegal gatherings of more than 15 people in homes.

370659 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to p02099003, 11, #1419 of 2137 🔗

I’ll just have to limit the numbers at my next party to 14 or 15 then.

370670 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to p02099003, 4, #1420 of 2137 🔗

They’re going to rake it in at the G7 then.

370697 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to p02099003, 3, #1421 of 2137 🔗

Does that also apply to “House” of Commons then? oh and the “House” of Lords as well? Can but dream.

370649 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1422 of 2137 🔗

Priti Dire announcin new fines to punish those attendin house parties at briefin. £800 each. Doublin down on the blame game.

Fixed it for you.

370673 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1423 of 2137 🔗

Because those that attend raves and house parties in general are in the ‘most at risk’ bracket. Vital policing.

370729 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan (Day 304 of lockdown), 3, #1424 of 2137 🔗

Don’t give them any ideas. They’ll be busting out fines at care home lounges soon.

370896 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PoshPanic, #1425 of 2137 🔗

The care home residents have been in solitary confinement since last March, which is a major reason why so many of them have died.

370694 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Charlie Blue, #1426 of 2137 🔗

My new user name will the Get Down Granny.

370695 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1427 of 2137 🔗

You think the kids are going to care. The government have given them no motivation to care about their finances. Unlikely that any of them have £800 to rub together.

370636 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #1428 of 2137 🔗

When I used to take holidays from work I’d always try to clear my workload as much as possible before I left. There was always some work left over though and not all of it could be fobbed off to colleagues.

So when I got back there was always some backlog of work to get through along with all the new work that came in.

Now what do we think will happen when the NHS comes back from their 12 month hiatus given that they didn’t even have the opportunity to clear any of the workload beforehand.

370674 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #1429 of 2137 🔗

I imagine some of the workload will have died off.

370685 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1430 of 2137 🔗

A point I saw someone raise elsewhere – OK let’s put some figures in, assume the NHS is working around the clock dropping 90% of their existing workload to vaccinate people; say they do this for 6 months and vaccinate a significant % of the population; 6 months comes around and everyone is told they need a top up vaccine. So does the circus roll around again?

370637 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 12, #1431 of 2137 🔗

Solitary confinement causes long-lasting harm and isolation causes severe and permanent damage and has led the Union Nations to consider solitary torture when used for longer than 15 consecutive days. The Mandela Rules, updated in 2015, are a revised minimum standard of UN rules that defines solitary confinement as ‘the confinement of prisoners for 22 hours or more a day without meaningful human contact.’

United States: prolonged solitary confinement amounts to psychological torture, says UN expert

370907 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Natalie Shay, #1432 of 2137 🔗

So what us the best term for what has been inflicted, month after month, on some of our most vulnerable citizens?
Psychological murder?

370638 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 12, #1433 of 2137 🔗

My drawing skills on paper equate roughly to those of the average 4 year old. On a computer they simply don’t exist at all. So in order to illustrate what I am thinking, I will have to attempt to describe it in writing.

This morning I saw an online newspaper headline that read something like “Storm Chistoph threatens vaccine rollout” in a font large enough to live at the very top of an eyesight chart. This made me laugh so loud that it instantly formed a picture in my mind. I hope Bob Moran or some other talented individual will eventually draw it for me, but this is what it looks like in words.

In the left foreground are the shattered remains of a building. In the background is a tsunami wave disappearing into the distance. In the middle ground are the rapidly receding remains of a destroyed life – furniture, clothing, electronics, cars, relatives (or is that too harsh?) all disappearing in the aftermath of the tidal wave.

In the right foreground is the saturated image a man or woman clutching a small vial with the letters ‘mrna’ on it.

The caption simply reads – “Phew”.

370647 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1434 of 2137 🔗

If we have heavy snowfall will hundreds of St Bernards be sent out with cans of vaccine vials fastened to their necks?

370651 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1435 of 2137 🔗

Love the username!!

370894 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1436 of 2137 🔗

Brandy or schnapps for me.

370903 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Old Bill, #1437 of 2137 🔗

I get you!

370643 Staincliffe, replying to Staincliffe, 12, #1438 of 2137 🔗

Does anyone here know if data is being collected on the sad deaths that are people who have been vaccinated? I have been reading, on a US website, anecdotes from care homes concerning bad reactions to the vaccine from people who had previously been confirmed COVID cases. There is speculation that the increase in deaths rates aligning with the vaccine roll-out is not a coincidence.

370653 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Staincliffe, 7, #1439 of 2137 🔗

It’s not a coincidence, it’s a feature!

370692 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Staincliffe, 2, #1440 of 2137 🔗

https://lifefacts.lifesitenews.com/covid-19/
Covid-19 Life facts website

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccines-sending-hundreds-to-er-according-to-us-govt-reporting-system
“Coronavirus vaccines sending hundreds to ER, according to US gov’t reporting system
Seventeen people have had a ‘life threatening’ reaction to the COVID-19 shot. Two reactions were so bad they led to a ‘permanent disability.’”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-infectious-disease-expert-shocked-by-the-number-of-adverse-reactions-to-covid-19-vaccine?utm_source=lifefacts

French infectious disease expert shocked by the number of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccine
‘I have never such a high frequency’ of side effects from an injection, the head of the infectious and tropical disease department at a Paris hospital observed.
Fri Dec 11, 2020

370879 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Staincliffe, 1, #1441 of 2137 🔗

I am certain that as a public service the government is all set to daily announce updates of all the vaccine related deaths, ie, people who have sadly died within twenty-eight days of being vaccinated.

370901 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1442 of 2137 🔗

Not sadlidied. That’s for the Covid corpse count.

Coincidentallidied.

370644 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 14, #1443 of 2137 🔗

Should any restrictions still be in place in June, I hope tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of protestors descend on Carbis Bay. If we cannot leave our homes, wtf are we hosting G7??

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/16/carbis-bay-in-cornwall-to-host-g7-summit-in-june

The tiny seaside resort of Carbis Bay in Cornwall has been chosen to be the venue of the G7 summit in June, with the village now expecting an influx of foreign visitors.

June 11th-13th. Hope the govt have realised that this is a weekend…

370650 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1444 of 2137 🔗

We should go there! For exercise, of course!

370889 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to TheClone, 1, #1445 of 2137 🔗

Sounds like a fun and healthy day out. I’ll bring my trebuchet and ladders.

370905 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1446 of 2137 🔗

I’ll bring my Uzi

370656 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1447 of 2137 🔗

IIRC the SW coast path runs right by the hotel. Got to be worth trolling them with a constant stream of hiking parties.

370799 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1448 of 2137 🔗

Good thinking. Same party swopping hats on each pass ought to do the trick.

370882 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1449 of 2137 🔗

Yes, they’re holding it on the estate, so that will be difficult to access. But they can’t keep us out of the village or off the roads surrounding it. Or off the footpaths. And easy to hang banners in the hedgerows along the lanes, a broken down lorry or two… Plenty of things we can to do.

370687 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1450 of 2137 🔗

Ah you jest NR – No chance of getting anywhere near the summit. There never is – have you seen the security on these occasions?
Getting around Cornwall is difficult enough during the summer!
You could try swimming in but Biden’s gunboats at the entrance to the bay might be a problem.

370886 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to bluemoon, 1, #1451 of 2137 🔗

I was at the G7 or whatever in Heiligendamm near Rostock and nobody could get close. I was hit by a German policeman who just came charging at me for some reason. I was not arrested but the bruises took a few weeks to disappear.
Good, socially liberal times (relative to now).

370772 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1452 of 2137 🔗

Can the village be surrounded by people who have no vested interest i-e us ! G7 what an utter load of BS !!..

370868 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1453 of 2137 🔗

If the government believes its own propaganda public information, surely it would cancel this super-spreader event?

370884 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1454 of 2137 🔗

You’d think wouldn’t you? lol

370887 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1455 of 2137 🔗

And there will be plenty of other protestors there from other groups. Extinction Rebellion, Eco-groups, anti-globalists, anti-corporationists… Plenty to hide among when needed.

370652 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 12, #1456 of 2137 🔗

Police chief welcomes increase in fines Next up is chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council, Martin Hewitt, who starts by welcoming Priti Patel’s announcement on fines.
He says house parties are “dangerous and irresponsible” and he hopes an increase in fines will act as a “disincentive” to people thinking of hosting or attending.
Mr Hewitt says the UK is still at the most dangerous stage of the pandemic, as the death figures remain “shocking”.
He says when police see anyone putting others in danger they “will not waste time trying to reason with them”.

370655 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to p02099003, 20, #1457 of 2137 🔗

It’s easier to issue fines than fighting crime! Shame!

370658 ▶▶ stewart, replying to p02099003, 7, #1458 of 2137 🔗

Big change from the start where they were saying masks were not their problem.

370663 ▶▶ Paul, replying to p02099003, 5, #1459 of 2137 🔗

I hope if I’m being attacked they can spare the time chasing party-goers so they can come and not waste time ‘reasoning ‘with my attacker.

370667 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to p02099003, 14, #1460 of 2137 🔗

“will not waste time trying to reason with them”

What the everloving fuck do the cuntstubbles know about ‘reason’?

Hahahahahahaha!

370668 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 13, #1461 of 2137 🔗

Do you really think they’re dim enough to believe this tosh about ”putting others in danger”? We all (any of us who read anything) know that there IS no ”danger”.

370676 ▶▶ danny, replying to p02099003, 8, #1462 of 2137 🔗

Nothing like consensual community policing is there. Make it a badge of honor to declare a refusal to use reason. Haven’t they heard, there are rather more non-police in the UK than there are police. Reason is how it works,.

370677 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 13, #1463 of 2137 🔗

the death figures remain “shocking”.”

Indeed. Shocking LIES.

370683 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Julian, 5, #1464 of 2137 🔗

The stupidity of idiots like Hewitt and Patel remains shocking.

370875 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FenTyger, 3, #1465 of 2137 🔗

Patel isn’t just an ‘idiot’ – she’s a nasty, dangerous piece of work in an influential position who has a record of (attempted) hidden liaison with one of the nastiest repressive regimes.

370678 ▶▶ l835, replying to p02099003, 13, #1466 of 2137 🔗

Teacher questioned why the list of key workers had been expanded as it meant more kids in school…. they and the nhs really have convinced themselves they’re brave and working really hard.

370724 ▶▶▶ Apache, replying to l835, 8, #1467 of 2137 🔗

The snowflake teacher really needs to man up against this pissy little virus. His country needs him.

370750 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Apache, 1, #1468 of 2137 🔗

If you’re trying to get more people to sign up to lockdown scepticism you’re really going about it the wrong way

370899 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Apache, 2, #1469 of 2137 🔗

I don’t think any country needs its children to be taught by spineless, selfish fuckwits.

370681 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to p02099003, 3, #1470 of 2137 🔗

Should double the fines for the breakfasting cops then, and drop a pay grade.

370700 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to p02099003, 2, #1471 of 2137 🔗

Love it don’t they? Dictating vermin, let hospitality trade and there wouldn’t be a problem.

370716 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1472 of 2137 🔗

Every single minute.

370708 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to p02099003, 10, #1473 of 2137 🔗

they “will not waste time trying to reason with them” – we’ve already seen that on the shameful displays of Policing in London and other areas. Really why waste time with fines – I am the law

370770 ▶▶ Janette, replying to p02099003, 3, #1474 of 2137 🔗

God what the hell has this country come to???

370817 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to p02099003, 7, #1475 of 2137 🔗

Actually, it looks to me as though these people are suffering from serious delusions and really should be Sectioned under the MHA as they really do constitute a danger to others. Firstly, there is no global pandemic not even an epidemic. Secondly, respiratory viruses do not transmit from person to person or surface to person. They are airborne and find hosts in the frail and people who have weak immune systems. The flu does not transmit from person to person neither does Covid.

These delusions are serious, really serious and should be treated by the draconian measure of being locked up in a Psychiatric Hospital indefinitely until they can fully understand the truth and have been treated for their messianic delusions.

What a bunch of crooks and liars.

370859 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 6, #1476 of 2137 🔗

“He says house parties are “dangerous and irresponsible” ”

Evidence?

I think that’s what makes me puke – the consequence-free utterance of totally nonsense and inciteful gibberish by idiots with no credibility.

370870 ▶▶ l835, replying to p02099003, 1, #1477 of 2137 🔗

Presumably the host of a party would only invite people they already know, and socialise or work with under the rules? Everyone attending wants to be there, so what’s the problem?

370895 ▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 1, #1478 of 2137 🔗

Thus speaketh the Police State.Reason no longer has any place.

370904 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to p02099003, #1479 of 2137 🔗

I believe they said something like 900 x £10k fines have been issued. Nice little earner that, assuming they’re paid.

370664 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 25, #1480 of 2137 🔗

Best idea I’ve heard in ages:

https://twitter.com/HousesSilver/status/1352286670251556864

Maybe we need to turn the tables and call the pro lockdown people “normality sceptics” or “freedom sceptics”

370689 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1481 of 2137 🔗

“Humanity sceptics”

370693 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1482 of 2137 🔗

“Conspiracy Realists”

370780 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1483 of 2137 🔗

“Reality deniers”
“Economy killers”
“Social experimenters”
“Health fascists”
“Life suppressors”
“Liberty leeches”
Bedwetters

370876 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1484 of 2137 🔗

“Health Pharisees”.

370890 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1485 of 2137 🔗

And now “Party Poopers”.

370912 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1486 of 2137 🔗

“Childhood stealers”.

370784 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1487 of 2137 🔗

“Poverty Supporters”

370851 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1488 of 2137 🔗

Suicide Deniers
CANCER deniers

370686 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #1489 of 2137 🔗

Could the plan be to use the IMFCoin instead of the Dollar, after a nasty pseudo-pandemic maybe …..?

2019:
“A global digital currency might be a future possibility at the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
At the Bank of England forum last week, IMF Director Christine Lagarde hinted at the development of a digital currency, similar to the bitcoin, for the organization’s special drawing rights (SDR) mechanism o replace existing reserve currencies.

https://www.investopedia.com/news/imf-chief-suggests-imfcoin-cryptocurrency-possibility/

370701 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #1490 of 2137 🔗

Certainly working on tech to implement Crypto for Central Banks:

2020:

https://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-g7-countries-to-create-central-bank-digital-currency-rules

Lockdowns until then?

370748 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Freddy Freethinker, #1491 of 2137 🔗

Why would central banks want their own crypto currency? That would almost suggest they did not trust one another with the ‘high power money’

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