2021-01-21

Got a podium position!

The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1YosN8rP8Q

The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

Just watched this – why oh why does common sense not prevail?

Tragedy to all those who have lost jobs/businesses.

This has all been driven by MSM, social media(?anti-social media) and the pronouncements of WHO. These people are responsible for promoting fear and panic over what is in effect a type of flu that 99.5% of people recover from world-wide.

I guess you don’t actually watch the TV news ?

Do you think the ‘NHS overloaded’ story is fake ?

The real world situation has been driven by a nasty virus.

Not helped by the idiots on here.

Why would anyone with half a brain watch TV news, we leave that to you 77th Brigaders.

It looks like it’s been taken down or something as I cannot get it to play.

I’ve just clicked onto it and it’s still there.
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The ‘pain and suffering’ of Melbourne’s 111 day lockdown has been revealed
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Sky News Australia
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Published on 20 Jan 2021
People across the globe have finally got a glimpse into the tears and disaster Melbourne’s record-breaking lockdown caused thousands of its citizens.

Sky News host Chris Smith said throughout the pandemic it has been easy to see the dire health damage suffered by hundreds-of-thousands throughout the globe.

“What can’t be filmed so easily is the pain, suffering and deaths, attributed to the economic damage wrecked by lockdowns and border closures,” he said.

On Wednesday, The Herald Sun released a list of 1384 businesses which collapsed during Victoria’s harsh lockdowns.

“Today, you could actually see a glimpse of what that side of the pandemic is like, what disaster it has created,” Mr Smith said.

“On and on it goes. Each and every one of these companies has a tragic, heartbreaking story to tell”.

Despite the recently released data illustrating the severe effects of such policies, the Victorian premier still has his state’s borders up to parts of Sydney even as these zones only have “infinitesimal COVID cases,” according to Mr Smith.

“We don’t have a COVID emergency, not anymore. We have an economic emergency, where jobs, wages and business have all been trashed.” “

How many businesses in Victoria survived ?

How many that went under where heading that way anyway ?

How many businesses in Victoria collapse in the average year ?

Is this year radically different to last year ?

Is there an observable difference in ‘business death’ this year to last ?

That’s the questions you sceptics ask about human lives…..

Go on you tell us. Obviously Melbourne like London is booming. When do you go off watch?

Oh go away you Troll.

Both links worked fine for me just now.

If you have a point you can argue, go ahead.

That wasn’t for lockdoensceptic

6 More Quotes From Orwell’s 1984 That Have Come True

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coswV93uYxc

Great, thanks.
Here’s episode 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5-Ir0RT-o

Indeed you have. Well done.

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The Empire Strikes Back

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va3ghOIC9bE

Behind the curtain of climate alarmism.

The furlough extension takes my mind back to the Concorde crash in 2003. I remember reading the transcript from the cockpit. They realized while still on the runway, but past the point of no return, that something was disastrously wrong and they wrestled the plane into the sky. A co-pilot shouted “reroute to Le Bourget” – the other Paris airport, for an emergency landing – but the pilot replied, “No time”. The only option open to them was to continue to push the engines for all they were worth, knowing that it was in vain. Sunak can’t turn off the taps because, the moment he does, it will be seen that the economy has already crashed.

Your analogy is a good one because Concorde crashed anyway, and that was the end of the whole supersonic passenger flight project.

That was the excuse for ending it. The real reason was the Americans taxing and regulating it out of the sky because it wasn’t theirs.

An excuse was all that was needed. Covid is the excuse for everything.

The excuse for, among other things, frightening or lockdown regulating hoi polo out of the skies without having to use the law, tax or rationing air miles.
Greta must be so pleased.

Very regrettably true. Boeing might have grounded the 737max fleet but they didn’t scrap it which is what they should have done. Concordes crash was caused by crap on the runway piercing a fuel tank but the Americans would not have it.

To be precise it was a counterfeit part falling off a Continental Airlines DC-10 that downed the Air France Concorde.

And to me the 737 MAX reminds me of the MD-11, in that both were modifications of an earlier design where attempting to improve fuel efficiency ended up introducing a dangerous handling deficiency.

Ah, a bit like Grenfell cladding introducing a dangerous fire risk.

Plus the frogs wanted her gone, snecma stopped manufacturing a lot of the engine spares.

Plus the facts that it was noisy, claustrophobic, loss making, dirty and expensive to use. Other than that not too bad for 1950s technology.

Well the globalist filth is back in power so expect to see more of this

Actually it was 9/11 that killed Concorde, for two reasons:

1. Many of Concorde’s most loyal passengers worked in the World Trade Center and were killed in 9/11, and
2. The increased airport security measures following 9/11 largely destroyed Concorde’s speed advantage versus rented private jets (which weren’t subject to the same security requirements, were a lot more flexible, and cost about the same as flying on Concorde).

They cannot escape it. They spend money next financial year as they did last FY and it’s game over for the credit rating. UK bonds will be junk. That’s bye bye to pensions, btw. NHS shut from December to April every year because govt can’t borrow.

They’ve got to go.

But they don’t need to borrow any more.That nice Bank of England “finances” whatever they need by printing crispy new notes. It’s all fine until it isn’t.
If we did what the government was doing it would be called counterfeiting.

Looks like things could get very very nasty this decade. As I said at the end of the last decade before this shambles had got going…

Does Sir Keir Starmer know this (or care)?

Sunak will keep the taps on until the tank is empty. The goal is to crash the economy beyond repair.

https://youtu.be/uZ_sSfIZH5Q

Kind regards.

A ‘tin-hat conspiracy theorist’.

I fear we are beyond repairing the economy. The tank is already empty and running on fumes.
Now the Evil Emperor Oberklunkenfurher Klaus Schwab has Beijing Biden enthroned there is one less obstacle to world domination.

It is the only rational explanation.The man is involved in a hedge fund.He is not an idiot.

It’s not hard to loathe this old Chunt ! + I’ve just been told that an old friend of mines cousin (61)has died in B,ham QE & his wife & mom are still in there so I phoned my mate & he’s been in the QE over Xmas with it and his wife had it + another uncle died of it (71)& some of his aunts have got it They are all from Italian heritage .my mate caught it from work but he thinks the extended family must have got together over the holiday , nightmare story ! ( not seeking an opinion just thought I’d pass this info on )

A readjustment of the economy is the primary purpose. No accidents involved.

In The Economic Carnage Of Coronahoax Fallout, The Target Is UK Government And Administrators Of The Debt-For-Wealth Financial System

from the same site – “9/11… is the key to understanding the past, the present and the future.”

A prophet of our times associated with our church had a word of knowledge which he eventually shared with his prayer community on the tenth of September 2001, that “God is going to do a new thing”. He said he didn’t know what new thing, whether it would be a financial crash with bankers jumping out of buildings, or some other sort of change in the world’s affairs.

That article would appear to suggest he was on to something…

Well we finally had the his Fraudulency the globalist puppet installed. Covid should be over pretty soon now. They’ll probably drag it out a few more months though to sell more vaccines.

I think this may be naive. There are states who have resisted the lockdown measures. They need to be brought to heel.
This will never end. A new world is being created and the old one needs to have crumbled into dust to make way for it.

I don’t know you already have lockdown zealots like the don of New York talking about opening up and lessening lockdown. I am not an expert but I don’t think Sleepy Joe can do what the fat pig dictator has done in the UK. He can mandate but the governors can just ignore him. Why would people in Florida go back to wearing masks?

He was pictured soon after at Lincoln Memorial (Federal land) unmasked.

Xio Bai Den has mandated the wearing of masks on federal property across all states but he has no power to mandate that they be worn at all times by everyone as that infringes states’ rights.

You’re right about installing Beijing Biden, but Covid measures won’t end until human rights are a distant memory and all dissent has been ruthlessly crushed.

oh, how I wish that were their endgame. I fear the opposite will happen: Beijing Biden (I use that term metonymically of course to refer to the real actors behind this senile old gangster) will now ramp up the scamdemic hoax and the USA will charge full speed ahead into complete ruin, dragging the whole of civilisation in its wake

Peking Bidden

“When America sneezes, the world catches cold”

His Fraudulency II according to Robert Barnes.

Morning all.

Slightly dumbfounded by this overnight DM story.

https://mol.im/a/9169697

I’ll choose to ignore the £350m testing contract dished out to another croney. What disillusioned me is that the contract is for TWO YEARS.

Whyb the fuck do they think we will still need testing in two years time?

Make that 20, there’s a hell of a lot of “important” jobs, sorry; careers on this particular “gravy train”; “experts, advisers, assistant experts, assistant advisors, et al”.

They intend to keep up this charade through testing.

Blimey, that was quick.(Sometimes there’s no posts in the first 20 minutes never mind the first 5 minutes) A bit of a rush today! (Probably because it was late).

And I’ll tell you a story about “Faust”ing ( (or whatever you want to call it).ie the rush for the podium.

It was the night of the 31st of December, a terrible year drawing to an end. I happened to be up late, and, perusing lockdownsceptics.org, I noticed that the main page had updated for another day, and a message was staring at me – “be first to comment!”.

Well, I decided to take up the challenge, though my heart wasn’t really in it, being a bit tired and fed up. Now as I was writing, a message flashed up on the left that there was a “new” comment, by a certain Fred. The pressure of podium (top of) gone, I abandoned what I had been writing, and looked through Fred’s missive. As I read it, my eyes welling up, I thought, “thank goodness I didn’t take that off the top of btl”. Whatever point I was making (and it was some sort of reasonably serious one) just seemed to pale into insignificance compared to that. And even more so when it was picked up atl. And given 352 (net) upticks.

Now whilst I can see where people are coming from with “Faust”ing, and absolutely support people’s right to do it – goodness knows, there’s enough darkness at the moment after all, and if it takes people’s minds off it for a bit and cheers someone up, that is no bad thing – just be aware that there can be downsides to it sometimes as well.

Now for atl!

… and probably all of those who are faking outrage over the “abhorrent” comments by Sumpton are perfectly willing to deny the value of human life in the womb.

The hypocrisy doesn’t get much more blatant than that.

Furthermore, lockdown zealots hold their views not out of concern for others, but out of fear. They are absolutely placing value on human life, with their own lives valued more highly than all others.

Lockdown sceptics are not Granny killers (see Sweden, Belarus, the Hasidic Jews etc.). However, one might reasonably suggest that lockdown zealots are child killers given that more children will die from lockdowns than if there had been no lockdowns worldwide.

How much cheaper, and better, would targeted protection have been?

The globalist filth doesn’t give a rip who all they kill in the process. The more the merrier. They have a depopulation goal to fill

but they won’t start with themselves I presume…

Puzzled by the reference to “value of human life in the womb” – and presume you are talking about the prospective mothers rights to, on the one hand, medical care and attention if she has decided to proceed with the pregnancy and, on the other hand, her rights to medical care and attention if she’s decided to terminate the pregnancy.

Clarifying that obviously a foetus has no rights that trump the womans rights or even come on a par with them.

Children, mothers, fathers, all have rights. A dangerous road to go down though, when one group has the right to act as judge, jury and executioner. Fear is one of the by products according to the science that the peer review medical journeys don’t like to print for political reasons. I suspect that this is one of the reasons why we are living in such a fearful society.

Terminate the child, you mean.

yeh, don’t get me started on that: the argument is that the foetus can not claim a right to life which involves a violation on someone else’s bodily autonomy – if you can not stand alone, then get fucked, is a pretty neat summary: whether you agree with it or not, at least it is a reasonable position to hold – but that position has been thrown to the winds now, where I am supposed to restrict my oxygen intake, take part in a satanic ritual, and inject poison into my body, so that some 100-year-old can spend a few more months in their semi vegetative state. unbelievable

‘Triage’

Referencing foetus rights, as it’s simply about when we stop being allowed to curtail the life, may I suggest 16 years old so that we can do for those we consider a pain before that?

People like nothing better than to enjoy a bit of indignation. That’s why the Daily Hatemail is so popular.

From the main article
‘Another divide that long lockdown might open is that between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated.
The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t’.

The government have a handy template for the new regulations.

h/t Offguardian

It will be a long walk to freedom.

It used to be called discrimination and used to be frowned upon. Now is for the greater good. If this is not double-speak I don’t know what it is.

Absolutely true. Wonder who will react back most strongly on any such discrimination between those who’ve never had any discrimination – because they’re male/British/healthy and have stayed in the region of the country they were born in (and so I would imagine have never encountered any sort of discrimination), those on the halfway point (eg same – but a female body and moved to a different region of the country) and those who’ve had a lot of discrimination.

the problem is ill-definition of the actual evil to be addressed: – rationalists target religion, when what they really mean is irrationality and dogma and superstition, in all of its forms, (and not necessarily always exemplified in religion) , anti-racists target racism, when what they really mean is bigotry and prejudice, which in its extreme forms leads to demonisation, scapegoating, and genocide, (and not necessarily exemplified in every instance of discrimination) – if you don’t define your enemy precisely enough, you will get distracted by red herrings, while it creeps up on you unawares

That’s a cracker and should be shown to all of the zealots as a sign that they do not beliive in freedom.

From the excellent Willbourn piece:

“As for the authorities, we must learn to treat them like an occupying force, with caution and adequate courtesy on the surface and careful disregard underneath.
Bon courage!”

He’s right. That’s the way people have always lived under tyranny and occupation. Actually it’s how a lot of people in this conquered and occupied country are living now.

Unfortunately, it also involves winking at the iniquities of the tyrant. ‘Mr Cohen. next door? Oh, he … went away … er. I don’t know what happened to him and his family. Really couldn’t tell you. Bye bye, got to go now.

Unless the Cohens are living in your loft.

Especially if the Cohens are living in your loft!

“Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.”

So basically, we’ll stay in lockdown until the handsomely paid, unelected, narcissistic, monomaniacal government scientists who are now running this country tell our hopeless coward of a Prime Minister that we are allowed a crumb of freedom, and inevitably harsh restrictions will return towards the end of this year.

I want to see Vallance, Whitty, Van Tam, Ferguson and the rest of this racket hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes against humanity.

Is that the government scientists funded by Bill Gates and Big Pharma? Just to be clear.

And Whitty has now been lined up for a plum job at Bill Gates’s WHO.

What a surprise. (Though I thought it was China’s WHO…)

Some years ago I had a failed attempt to read a book called the Glass Bead Game by Hermann Hesse, I think it was that failed reading attempt that confirmed the limits of my intellectual capacity! Nonetheless from what I do recall of that book, the way the health tyrants are now approaching covid and health in general seems to have become something of a latter day Glass Bead Game, with the tyrants vying with each other to achieve the highest score of health tyranny in some academic exercise devoid of any sense of reality.
Meanwhile our politicians flounder around pushed back and forth by the tide not waving but drowning and seemingly incapable of doing their job of driving a realistic balanced public health policy.

Today, the health tyranny goes by the name of depopulation and the tyranny is headed up by the eugenicist and vaccinator in chief Bill Gates. Some politicians may be floundering, but not so in the UK, where the important members of the government are clearly enthusiastic depopulators. We need to remember that Boris hails from a family, that had and likely still has, strong eugenicist tendencies. Boris the buffoon and the floundering politician is all an act.

Makes sense of all the shagging, a one man crusade to repopulate the world with his superior stock.

Expect unending lockdowns and be happy!

And own nothing.

Hanging, d and q is messy.
Just shut them up with one another, in a small cell, with no computer or tv, for life.

They would need to wear N99 masks 24/7 to stop them spreading noscomial infections. Act like you have it.

With the promise that of course we all want to lift their restrictions and restore their freedoms and that this will of course be done as soon, and as far as it is safe to do so. We can deliver messages with their meals – ‘we’re on the final straight now!’ ‘As long as you obey the rules, you’ll be out of here in no time!’ ‘Oops, bad news, afraid we found a new variant, your release has been kicked a distance down the road, but don’t lose heart!’ That kind of thing. Needless to say they’ll never be released.

I’d add no heating, water or food. They’d have to eat each other to stay alive.

I think shooting them would be easier and quicker. Plus don’t forget that Mitchie woman, she also deserves to be shot.

Repurpose Tower Hill for such use.

Too kind to them!
Consider the suffering they’ve inflicted on the working poor and our children/young adults; the systematic destruction of people’s livelihoods; of our social structure; the effective abolition of the arts; plus what torture is yet to come for the rest of us.
I think their punishment should be prolonged indefinitely and be psychologically very painful.

Tower Hill should revert to its former use,

I tend towards turning them into a reality show: put them on an uninhabited Hebridean island – Mingulay? – with nothing but a few horses and sheep, and basic essentials. Perhaps a manual of how islanders used to live there. And a lot of cameras so we can tune in to watch them weave horsehair ropes and abseil down sheer cliffs to collect gulls’ eggs.

They might learn a bit about risk assessment.

Fabulous idea. And let’s not give them fire.

I toyed with this idea last night but came to the conclusion that in order to accommodate such a large group of conspirators we’d probably need to find a rather large island that may very well end up displacing some decent law abiding folk.

I thus propose that as these tech folk and their steadfast political and scientific supporters are marvelled by the advances of the fruit of their own work, let’s put them on giant floating prisons, small cities if you like, powered by wind turbines, naturally, and set them on a course that takes them around every coastline so that everyone the world over can see what happens when one gets a little ahead of oneself and wishes to perform global medical experiments on the general populous.

With all the participants’ wealth and assets seized, it would be fully funded, good for the environment, and even better for mankind. We can call this The Great Reset Act.

To ensure this new policy remains inclusive, competitions will be launched to name each floating utopia.

As the entire BBC will be on one of them, Blue Peter will not be partaking in the competition.

I think it’s got legs.

And the politicians.

Heard Neil Oliver on talk radio say this yesterday.

Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing?

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I’m all for flinging that satanic globalist filth right into the nearest active volcano. Less messy and should get them used to the fires of hell

Wow, the WHO has caught up at last on PCR. I suppose anyone who suggests anything different will now be a fake news, no platformed conspiracy theorist (well you never know).

Love the pussy btw

They’re slow on the uptake. Makes you wonder what’s the point of them.

Frankly I’ve been asking the same question about most of our organizations as well as our political class.

They’re the conductor of the dysfunctional orchestra.

Well they ignore the WHO recommended cycle rate for the PCR test. I think they say 30 as the limit. I think we are using 45. At that rate they are picking up the cold you had when you were 8. They are cherry picking the “science”. Like the pro mask study that appears just as Creepy Joe hits office. Or the new mutant variant when we need a stricter lockdown!

Emperor Xi’s son must have lined up some LFT patents and shareholdings.

Doesn’t the Breast Cancer Screening Programme cancellation request justify the point that Lord Sumption was trying to make?
I think it does. Covid only health service.

The lives of women threatened with breast cancer are obviously less valuable.

Even if we weren’t due for a screening in the last 10 months we have now all had our next screening delayed by a total of approximately 4 months and counting. That will be the difference between detecting a treatable early stage cancer and it having progressed to a much more serious disease in some. How is that justifiable?

Actually it means that the lives of all women are less valuable.
Have they also stopped screening for prostate cancer?
If so, the only conclusion is that your life is only valuable if you’ve got Covid. I suppose that gives a reason for acting as if you’ve got it.

There is no screening for prostate cancer in this country.
High psi numbers are sometimes normal, and it has been deemed to lead to unnecessary investigations.

My father in Germany goes for a check up at least once a year, where the doctor puts their finger inside.
The they might do a psi test.
When I asked my over 70y friend here in GB a few years ago if he ever had a rectal exam, he said no.

however the government do it metaphorically on a regular basis

I don’t think they screened for prostate cancer. The argument, I believe, was that it was not accurate enough. Probably more reliable than pcr.

Doesn’t your GP have to get pretty up close and personal for that?
Definitely no ongoing prostate screening then!

Its very sad when you have to defend a valid point and something that goes on all the time in care homes. The most idiotic argument comes from the woman with terminal cancer. If you had cancer right now you would be dead because there is a backlog and you would not be getting a diagnosis or treatment. That’s what should be making you angry you muppet not someone making a point about quality of life calculations.

Years ago when the NHS database was hacked they lost millions of patients records although this was never admitted. I decided to have a private breast screening as the NHS couldn’t deliver on time because of shortage of screening staff and closing down of many screening centres. The private hospital I attend for this procedure has never been able to recover my records from the NHS. When I go for my screening I am given a CD with images of my results. My results are always back within 48 hours having been reviewed by two consultants. The NHS breast screening service is not fit for purpose in the 21st-century.

When my son had a serious climbing accident he was sent between the first hospital and the specialist eye hospital in an ambulance with a CD of all his records because the two NHS hospitals did not have compatible IT systems. When his firm’s medical insurance transferred him to private treatment the same consultants were there but the greatest benefit was that they hadn’t lost his records between treatments.

And we have folks screaming for all that FREEEEEEE socialized medicine. A) I’m pretty sure it’s not free, and B) … they get to tell you what you can and can’t do and when you’ll get it. But only if it’s Covid.

yeh, breast cancer victims’ lives are much less valuable than ‘covid’ victims’ lives (a disease that doesn’t even exist – if you untangle all the lies and clear away the obfuscation, you get to the real point, which is that nobody’s lives matter, and public health services no longer exist)

Dear Pig Dictator and Mandy

We have now been under house arrest for the best part of a year

You have bankrupted the country

You have produced statistics for infections and deaths that are works of fiction

You have beaten us, locked us up and mentally tortured us

You are the guys with the bright ideas. What are you going to do now?

CBD

The country might have been bankrupted but a lot “good guys” made a fortune! And they will continue to tell you it is for your own good. For the greater good!

More of the same. It’s the on,ply idea they’ve got.

This reminds me of a guy who worked at spittalfields Market when I worked there. He was having problems with his breathing and pain in his chest. Like all manly stupid men they did not go straight to the doctors he just carried on. When the pain got so bad eventually he went to the doctors. He was always a heavy smoker and the doctors told him he had terminal cancer and there was nothing that could be done for him and he had about four months to live. He then asked, should I give up smoking?

Life is filled with ironies, as the story (in the Woke section) about Leicester University neatly illustrates. For the past year academics have been busily promoting the narrative that the coronavirus is an unprecedented threat that requires unprecedented measures. This narrative has justified terrible harm; harm that these carriers never envisioned would be visited upon themselves.

Leicester’s funding problem is but the tip of a very large iceberg. The devastation inflicted on the economy will increasingly make itself felt in all sectors of society: the universities will find they have less and less funding, and more and more academics will find their assumed security was nothing more than a comfortable illusion.

It is not only the universities that will struggle for funding as the results of the wilful decimation of the economy in the name of combating the virus make themselves felt. The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs. Indeed, there will be less money for public services across the board.

When the costs of all these now inevitable reductions in public services are eventually added up will those who called for and supported the coronavirus madness finally acknowledge that they have inflicted more harm on the people of this country than the virus ever could? Will they acknowledge that this greater harm was entirely predictable? Will they be held accountable?

Boris goes woke

He was being asked about Biden, the new president of the US. Do you expect him to publicly denounce Biden’s (professed) ideological position?

Boris went woke long before Biden. Yes I realise its an unrealistic expectation, but i’d like politicians to stay to true to their proclaimed principles.

I know I see the absurdity of using principles & politicians in the same sentence. But the facts speak for themselves & boris hasn’t been speaking out over identity politics!

What a hypocrite! Goes with the job I suppose.

“The NHS (to pick an organisation not entirely at random) will find that the public purse is simply not capacious enough to continue to provide the (roughly) two hundred billion pounds a year it thinks it needs.”

The public purse is bottomless, because the public purse is simple section 15(3) of the Exchequer and Audit departments act 1866, where the Treasury orders the Bank of England to make the payments authorised by Parliament.

It cannot and will not run out no matter how hard you believe, because that isn’t and never has been how public provision is funded. The Spending comes first and the tax is a consequence of that, not the other way around as commonly believed.

If there are people to be hired, then government can always hire them. Economically saving acts like taxation so there is plenty of space for them to hire. The less the private sector does, the more the public sector can do.

If you’re waiting for “the markets” to save you from this, you’ll be waiting a long time. That is a monetary illusion.

I am pleased to see that you have discovered the magic money forest. Mr Sunak is going to need it.

He’s been living in it since last March, along with Winnie-the-Pooh, a Bear of Very Little Brain.

It will be your children and grandchildren that will be paying it off, not mine as I don’t have any.
I repeat the advice offered to G. Brown “Spend Spend Spend !”

This is a fallacy that always gives me a chuckle. ‘ The monetary system ‘ isn’t regulated by natural process, “ money ” is a human construct, there are no hard fast rules, economics can be manipulated however unaccountable banks desire.

Human labour does not produce a single penny (technically)! Governments & banks proactively introduce money into the system at will. The monetary system is simply a method of control! Privately run unaccountable NGO’s can do as they please & governments by & large are at their mercy.

I’m very interested in what you say – can you recommend any books to me which have influenced your thinking and led you to your conclusions?

Look up the YouTube videos by Mike Maloney on the source of money.

Why not mandate a minimum wage of £100/hour then. For a 35 hour week, 52 weeks a year – £182k for everyone. All problems solved!

Or give every native child £250k trust fund from a sovereign fund

Spot on. Too many people have absolutely no idea how the monetary system works. Far too many have been sold the ‘household finances’ lie

A friend of my wife’s, a lecturer in Geography at a Russell Group university, recently announced that she’d been granted tenure. Whilst I’m very pleased for her personally, it seems a very bizarre time for universities to be deciding on such open-ended commitments. It’s almost as if they are deliberately inflating their overhead costs in advance of an impending crash, confident that the government will feel compelled to underwrite the eye-watering redundancy costs that will follow….

It’s no surprise that English Language is taking hit at Leicester University the way johnson and co are mangling it; redefining ‘pandemic’, vaccine’, ‘safe’ among many other words.

Amongst all the words they are mis-using are all the key terms in the coronavirus narrative. Every single one. Equivocation has been the one constant of the discourse. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/12/coronavirus-equivocation.html

Agreed. It’s when I first became a sceptic, back in early May (yes a latecomer to the sceptic ball) when I noticed how the language was changing.

Well said. The universities for years have also heavily relied on international (non-EU) students for funds. I came here as one and the fees were eye watering made worse that we were not allowed to take out any loans and had to be fully self sufficient.

What I perceived as the low value for money and lack of support from my university led me to resent home students simply partying and getting drunk while spending their student loan money on Topshop shopping spees and Xbox games while EU students were allowed to take out loans with many leaving the country not bothering to pay them back when they finish. And I was helping pay for this shower!

Not only have they seen their foreign students as cash cows but the way they treat students in general is appalling – the lack of pastoral care, bullying and no real teaching. The virus has exposed cruelly that our universities have been weighed on the balances and found wanting.

I can imagine that the universities will be heavily strapped for cash even more as less and less foreign students come and they’re taken to court by irate students and their parents for their behaviour over this crisis.

PS. I’m not letting my fellow foreign students off the hook in my rant as well – many of them I noticed should not have been granted places due to their poor language and critical thinking skills. Not to mention their propensity to hang around amongst themselves and not bother explore what this country has to offer. If they can’t be bothered to do that, why come here at all?

HECK NO

Robert Clancy’s article is a good read.
Promotes looking at HCQ and Ivermectin and doubys on vaccines.

It is a good article but a challenging read! I think I get the idea. In a way it sort of confirms why I have doubts about flu/cold and coronavirus vaccines but am OK with vaccines for polio and yellow fever. But more than that it does indicate to me that it is the health tyrants and the big business money vaccine promoters whio have ‘blood on their hands’ by pushing the treatment options to one side when increasing evidence is coming forward of the positive role they could and should play in a public health response to SARS-Cov2. They wanted total control big money vaccine solutions and people have suffered because they pigheadedly insisted that was the only solution.

Awful story in the press today about a young man who went to hospital for chest pains. They forced him to take a Covid test and then Ben admitted to the Covid ward anyway. The man was so worried about them catching it, having a young baby at home, he discharged himself, before tragically dying of a heart attack back home in front of his children. And then the “test” came back negative anyway.
I am not somebody who believes in cherry picking stories to push an agenda, as that is exactly what the lockdown fanatics and the media do. Give them facts, they respond with anecdotal stories. But this is just criminal. The NHS is there to heal and protect, and they (plus the media) are entirely responsible for this sad tale. It is just such an avoidable death.

The administering of a medical/health procedure without prior informed voluntary consent is unethical. Yet the NHS will not admit patients unless they submit to a Covid test. This is institutionalised systematic violation of the basic ethics of the medical profession.

Yes any medical procedure should be voluntary & only given with clear informed consent. It should be a criminal act for the NHS to deny medical treatment.

The NHS is there to pay it’d employees and for no other reason

Hospitals are a major source of infections (its why i am logically phobic of them) testing patients for infectious disease during a respiratory disease season, is a sensible precaution.

The people to blame for this tragic case are the domestic terrorists in government using phycology to create hysteria.

LOL ‘phycology’ no nothing to do with algae, Psychology*

A friend of mine was shown the door by an NHS hospital for refusing the covid test – he was having an asthma attack, they had him on a nebuliser at the time.

He did not want to become another stat used by the government to lockdown his region and cause job losses, so refused several repeated requests to be tested.

He recovered at home.

This violation of medical ethics would in previous times have resulted in disciplinary action. Ethics have been abandoned. When this has happened in the past, it has had terrible results.

Good piece from NHS doctor on this.

https://thecritic.co.uk/boiling-the-bioethical-frog/

The Hippocratic Oath and compassion has gone out of the window.

Hippocrates is now rolling in his grave.

It is now the Hypocrite Oath

“Yet this hasn’t stopped people twisting his views, calling them “abhorrent” and comparing him to a eugenicist.”

Lord Sumption’s mistakes was to engage with his interlocutor using ‘Logos’, which is what you would expect from a Judge and a rational individual.

That’s not how identity politics works, which uses ‘Pathos’, and any ‘ethos’ it has is entirely scaled to how good their ‘pathos’ is.

What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.

Remember they don’t think. They feel.

It’s all about the fee-fees, and we now make policy based on those.

Difficult for a learned, intelligent, rational human being.

Good morning Lucan,

You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s about the emotional, not rational argument.

Literally last night, I retweeted Dr Clare Craig’s very important question about the origin of lockdown (as it seems according to the notes of meetings that Sage didn’t ever recommend them). I think that’s a pretty bloody big question that needs asking.

Minutes afterwards I received my first twitter message from a Dad I like and know quite well via our boy’s football exploits over the years – to my knowledge we are both on the left politically and remainers. He asked me to see what “my anti-lockdown pals” think of Dr Rachel Clarke’s latest tweet and also how the latest deaths she refers to don’t include Christmas mixing.

I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me. He has in the past retweeted Morgan, Sridhar and Monbiot – all 3 people I couldn’t fundamentally disagree with more, but I would never ever dream of having a go at him about it – on the basis that he’s fully entitled to his opinion as I am mine.

I composed a strong coherent reply this morning (probably better than firing off a missive when angry) and I have proposed that we unfollow each other on the basis that I wouldn’t want my heretical views to clog up his timeline. I’m sure he could have just muted me but obviously felt compelled to tell me why I was wrong.

I’m very happy to discuss and disagree on the basis of logic, reason and facts but I simply refuse to engage with hysterics and emotion, maybe that’s where I’m going wrong.

It’s a cult, you are wasting your time

Cult is exactly it Cecil, no other way to put it.

It was the passive-aggressive nature of it got to me the most – very unseemly. As I say, I would never have done the same to him, as I believe in the right of others to hold views that I disagree with.

it’s a shock to us all, probably until recently we had only heard of deranged cult members but didn’t think we had ever met any, they belonged to some other world far away from us, but now we find that we are living in one, and its most deranged proponents include people we trusted, loved, respected

Thank you Jane and yes your last line sums it up perfectly.

It’s still important to get your well considered view out there. Even if you don’t make inroads with the friend, others might read and be influenced by your message.
It’s always a mistake to let the bullies get the last word in. We are also pissed off at the misinformation the Lockdowners are spreading.

“ I won’t lie, I couldn’t sleep well last night and woke early this morning as it really really got to me.”

I’ve been reading here and on other lockdown critical forums (ie Reddit) since March and generally just lurk. Something that is very special about the community here — and you don’t see anywhere else — is that people are able to talk about normal human experiences like the pain of these passive aggressive interactions. You might not realize it, but internet culture has made people deny themselves basic human feelings. They believe it is not “logical” to be hurt, hence they tell themselves they are not hurt at all and pretend to laugh things off, to dismiss it with snark, to bully back… just nasty stuff.

I’m convinced that this mindset gives us masks and lockdowns. Because people completely out of touch with their humanity and their social needs think that you can go around willy-nilly being rude or being isolated without it mattering. “I am LOGIC, I ain’t no fee-fee!” These idiots’ idea of a rational being is to completely lose touch with reality.

So what I’m saying is that when commenters here can talk normally about normal reactions, it’s just a fresh of breath air that I gulp in like I’d been underwater for days. What an abysmal state of affairs if a bit of simple reflection of experience is a rare thing!

Just felt like expressing some gratitude to the community here

I’m glad it helped Jane and pleased to make your acquaintance (albeit virtually).

What made it worse, is that I retweeted the message from Dr Clare Craig at about 9.30pm, wanted an early night, but went to check on the Fulham/United final score at 9.45pm on my phone. That was a fatal mistake, as I spotted the twitter message and then didn’t actually get to sleep till around midnight.

You live and learn as they say.

Best regards

Simon

“ What he should have done is asked how many childhood leukaemia victims should die so she should live. How many premature baby incubators should be left unattended so she could be vaccinated.”

The problem with that line of argument is that your opponent has dragged you down to their level with “feelz” and then they will beat you with experience.

Or to put it another way never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Maybe our message is too complicated and we need to start using some simple facts. My first suggestion is:

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 May 2020:      39401

Excess deaths for 4 weeks to 1 January:         8,179 (or about 6,700 after accounting for reporting delays due to bank holidays)

LOCKDOWN’s don’t work, Simple’s.

Short & sweet enough? Contains the same amount of science as the zero covid zealots assertions.

Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps please

Ou est le Flu?

Simple. Deep. & French.

Reclassified?

Simple facts:

Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.
Life expectancy is 81.

Do you think that is simple enough?

“ Snowdon Quillette Response ” – Ivor Cummins gives Christopher Snowdon’s recent pro-lockdown piece a full Fisking

Snowdon owned by Cummins, this was one of the funniest lockdown zealot demolitions Ive read. Cummins at his best (or at least the best ive seen).

On a serious note I look forward to see Ivor explain empirically what’s happened with the spike in deaths in January, it does seem to contradict Yeadon et-al’s 2nd wave assertions.

Don’t read this wrong, i don’t believe in waves or the official narrative either, but Jans stats need a science based explanation, when the data comes in.

If you look at the excess deaths in December / January per the ONS figures, there is no spike. The 8 Jan figure reflects under-reporting in the previous 2 weeks of around 4,000 deaths.

this winter looks like a normal seasonal virus pattern – ‘excess’ deaths are within reasonable limits considering the NHS was essentially closed for a lot of the year

Maybe I’m doing something stupid, but I’m getting nowhere with that link.

Help!

Its above in lockdownsceptics media roundup, i was just quoting.

Its a pdf link your OS may be the issue

OK thanks – I couldn’t link in the media roundup either. But if other people are having no problems the fault must be at my end. I’m looking forward to reading it!

Got to it now – good on him.

I think when we get the all cause death numbers this will show the true picture. They only quote covid deaths not all deaths. And they should not be surprised if deaths increase for non covid issues as you have stopped treatment for anyone who does not have covid. Lockdown causes death this is provable and totally ignored. I am afraid this is all politics. Its the nhs with a once in a lifetime chance to get increased funding. Who cares about the increasing suicides, the cancer patients, my mate waiting for a heart operation since last November who is now having to go private as its been put back again, all the missed mammograms, the missed appointments. All so the nhs can get their fucking grubby hands on a bit more cash.

Data is PCR noise and lockdowns kill. So what exactly is your baseline? We’re through the looking glass now. We’ve invented a new language

Vaccine discrimination? Well who’d have thought it? It’s only what various members of the public have been predicting for months, but now the Daily Telegraph has woken up to it, it becomes official. The truth is, this was planned from the beginning.

According to Unherd in November, vaccine refusal in the UK was running at 21%. In the US it was 36% and in France 46%. Expect these figures to reduce as people cave in; nevertheless, a significant minority of refusers remains our best hope of deflecting the government’s plans.

https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-is-france-full-of-anti-vaxxers/

How will they know you are vaccinated? By your digital/health passport.By Sunak pronouncements this week we can see furlough morphing into some sort of UBI.
We only need the digital currency and the takeover is complete.This will be instituted in the wake of the coming economic crash.
We will have a small window of opportunity when the weather breaks and before a critical mass of people have been ‘vaccinated’

A window to do what?

To stop this before it becomes too late.

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‘ Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.’

Good luck with this. We all know that the vaccine is not being offered to all age groups at the same time, with younger adults at the back of the queue. I’m not quite sure that young people, who have already had their lives and futures utterly trashed at the altar of the NHS to extend (not save) the lives of the elderly by a few months/years, will be very happy if they are still restricted from living a normal life and enjoying the rites of passage that young people do, while elderly boomers are jetting off to Spain and Portugal for their yearly tan.

And anyway, discrimination on the basis of medical choices and conditions is illegal. It really is as simple as that. I know I keep saying it on here but this is what scares me the most out of this whole farce. It really is terrifying that other people think they can judge my personal medical choices and take away my fundamental rights based on those deeply personal choices, and that their ‘right’ not to be infected with a mild disease trumps my own right of sovereignty over my own body.

I agree with you and I am very pessimistic about things.

But I do think that the idea that they will be able to force a medical intervention on us is being grossly overstated.

Discrimination of that sort is a big big step.

If it happens, I think we can call it the end of western civilisation right there. No exaggeration.

They forced masks on us.they forced us to stay in our homes.It is not a great leap.First you gain a critical mass of the population.Then you take one of 2 actions.Attack the refuseniks,blame them for for the fact that freedoms haven’t been restored or reward those who have had the jab.Both actions will slowly turn the screw and you will be left with a small remnant who can be transferred to the quarantine camps as they are a danger to public health.
These are not predictions just thinking out loud.

They managed it in the dog world and there has never been a law passed that vaccines in dogs in the UK are mandatory. However if your dog does not get vaccinated every year and show the proof, your dog is prevented from every public event, like dog shows, cannot stay in kennels, has to forgo dog training classes, dog walkers won’t and can’t take them. Councils give these companies organisations licences and that is part of the conditions, all dogs and cats must be up to date with relevant vaccines.

What sticks in my throat with the push for humans to get a vaccine that’s not a vaccine in any way I understand vaccines is the administering to the elderly and the vulnerable at all, as this is the biggest reason dog owners are guilt tripped into vaccinating their dogs every year, it’s to protect the dogs that can’t have the vaccine because they are vulnerable and old. The governments around the world have started a vaccination program on the very same groups in humans that would NOT be vaccinated at all in dogs. The vaccines for dogs have been around for a lot longer than the vaccines made in 2020.

Discrimination in the dog owning world is encouraged by all these businesses and in particular the vets, the brainwashing and propaganda that exists within the veterinary profession is staggering.

You don’t need a government to introduce a law, just give the councils more powers, terrify the public with horrific posters of dying covid patients and job done and vaccines are not compulsory but yet they are.

That is incorrect about dogs. In the UK vaccines are not required to get insurance or to go to dog shows. Some kennels and dog walkers, training classes require vaccines but not all. The requirement for annual vaccinations, with the exception of lepto, is no longer an annual requirement, 3 year vaccines is detailed by the vaccine companies. Vets will say annually but if owners do their homework they will find it is not the case. Annual vaccinations are for profit not for the health of the animals. Titre level testing to check animals immunity is far more preferable than vaccination.

It depends on councils. One may accept titres and another doesn’t. All of the kennels in my area require vaccines, as do the dog walkers and the training classes. Or at least pre covid. You are fortunate in your area if there is training classes that don’t require proof of vaccines.
I haven’t found one in my area that didn’t require them and my dogs are vaccinated and have been titred and proven to have antibodies but that doesn’t count in my area unfortunately.

Yes, you’re absolutely right. I have my dogs vaccinated when they are puppies but don’t do it beyond the first booster, because it isn’t necessary. I have never put my dogs in kennels but advice came out about 4 years ago that titre testing would suffice.
Vets have been concerned for years about over-vaccination, hence open letter to RCVS about 16 years ago to reduce the vaccines. of course most vets hated that because 40% of their revenue is from vaccines. In the US they are more questioning and the drugs that were licenced yearly were licenced 3 yearly as stated above. People get bullied into annual vaccines.

Speaking as a veterinarian – I totally agree with you. Even with the release of vaccines that are valid for 3+ years, airlines and kennels have steadfastly refused to change their “thou shalt have an annual vaccine” garbage. For our patients we try and limit vaccination as much as possible as we see side effects on a regular basis.

This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.

This is my worry also “This is the worry with human vaccine mandates, once they are in place it will be virtually impossible to reverse it.”

There has been a campaign with some to make it mandatory in the dog world for some time, fortunately these people seem to be in the minority but with humans it’s different as it involves all of us, not just dog owners. If the people I know are anything to go by, who are mainly not scared of this virus but they go along with what is happening without argument and if this lot say OK I’ll have the vaccine to keep my job, go on holiday or get into a restaurant we have lost.

Most of the shots for dogs are to prevent really awful diseases like rabies and distemper. Rabies is a once every 3 years shot. Our vet said once every 3 years is good enough for the other shots as well.

I’m not sure about vaccine passports

either the vaccine works and its not necessary or it doesn’t work very well – even the vaccinated have to carry on locking down etc – which is the way it seems to be going

I think by the time the vulnerable have been vaccinated we will have data about efficacy and side effects and I suspect the government will pivot to it being an injection just for the vulnerable – like flu

They will want to announce a victory this year so that they can take all the credit and Hancock can get knighted.

He may well be knighted, but is there any right-thinking person in this country who really believes that the honours system is anything other than completely discredited.

One thing I have found in the past year is that everything I believed in has been totally turned on its head. I have absolutely no faith in any of our institutions right now and never will. The scales have well and truly fallen from my eyes. I hope that some sort of alternative society will evolve because the one we have is well and truly broken.

My feelings exactly

Sir jimmy savile.
Enough said.

There are many dreaming of a future where there is a sword in close proximity to Hancock’s neck.

There is no way this government could organise a nationwide register of who has been vaccinated and who has not. It is simply beyond their capabilities. I’d bet they’d struggle to provide an accurate list of who has so far been offered it let alone who has had one or two doses and of what vaccine. There will even be instances of it not recorded correctly on an individual’s medical record, let alone joining all of that data up.

I completely agree. No idea who has had it. They’d need to have been organised properly from the start.

I agree practically it would be incredibly difficult, but for me it is a matter of principle. The fact that the government and MSM are making noises of mandation, even if it’s logistically impossible, is unethical and wrong.

And illegal.

I’m hoping to be marked as vaccinated after not turning up to the appointment like the people who were given positive tests after not turning up for their tests!

I was wondering that – is it better just not to turn up and say lockdown has gone on so long you’ve lost track of time (true) or just to decline which puts you on another list somewhere?

I’m just going to keep not turning up. Actually I don’t know why they think I still exist as I never turn up to any of their invites and haven’t been to see a doctor for more than 20 years. Unless to admit that I might not exist will mean that they won’t get the £1000/year or however much it is that they get for a person on their books

Well my wife is in her early 40s and works for a local council and they are pressuring them to have the vaccine and soon it will probably be a requisite for her to keep her job. This has already put a huge strain on our family as her entire extended family are hard core pro vaccine, Covid zealots and some think (including my MIL ) that I should maybe be hospitalized for being so anti lockdown basically a covid denier witch person. I said o her that she should take i as then at least one of us will be able to go on holiday with my daughter going forward. Because lets not kid ourselves, this is where this whole thing is going. We are going to be second class citizens, apartheid is going to look like a bright future we want as we are not allowed entry into sports events, cinemas, museums, trains, planes…It’s coming and if they need to they will change the law, nothing matters but ZERo Covid policy.

If the ‘vaccines’ turn out to have terrible side-effects (like the ones for H1N1) won’t they have to pull the plug on this? Could this be why they have started saying only one jab not two will be enough- not due to a shortage but a fear of the consequences seeing what’s happening in other countries.?

You allude to an important point. Those having the vaccine now might feel as if they’ve been ‘saved’, and as the jabs progress among the wider not-at-risk-from-covid population doubtless many will feel smugly virtuous.

Also, the type of under-70 who has the jab is more likely to be the ‘worrying’ type, rather than the sort of person who makes rational evidence-based assessments.

But it has to be odds on that some horrible side effects will become apparent, although they will probably take months and more likely years to do so.

Take narcolepsy, for example, as with the previous jab. Supposed it becomes apparent that one or more of the covid jabs causes this crippling disease, even only in small numbers. Every time one of those virtue-signallers feels a bit drowsey they’ll be worried they are coming down with it. Same with ADE – every time they get a cold they’ll be worried to death that the cytokine storm is going to kick in. And because they are the worrying type, they won’t think about it rationally, they will just dwell on it and let it fester. For years and years, perhaps for the rest of their lives.

I think ADE is the ticking timebomb but of course much harder to prove than the short term effects coming to light right now.

Personally I think this is going to happen, although it’s a double-edged sword. It is terrible that innocent people are going to be harmed, but it does need to stop. What they will do when the vaccine isn’t the silver bullet – who knows?

They could save face by using saline!

Agree to the vaccine on production of a signed liability letter (hint – they won’t)

https://freedomtaker.com/

What makes it worse, as many people have said before, is the fact that the jab is not a vaccine and is actually experimental gene therapy – if it was a ‘normal’ vaccine which has been properly tested with far fewer side effects than the illness itself, we wouldn’t have to be coerced- doesn’t the coercion suggest we are right to be concerned?

All you young people need to resist this. Much older than you, I am also refusing the GenTech, so I will not be jetting off anywhere (including back to UK).

‘It is a surprising statistic but over 11 million people in the UK have a criminal record. A third of men and nine per cent of women will have been convicted of an offence by the age of 53′

The Stasi have accidently deleted 400,000 of these records

I suspect the 400,000 is the tip of the iceberg and the number of deleted files is much larger

By my calculation that is one in 27 of records deleted

There is a 50,000 case backlog in the Crown Courts that will never be cleared

All the magistrates courts round here are closed because of covid

I wouldn’t be too worried about getting a covid fine

That many! I’d never realised it was that big. Well that gives me grounds to shout all the more loudly if they ever do have a go at me with a Lockdown penalty of “You’re doing this to a person with a totally clear criminal record/never done a thing wrong in my life (at nearly 70) – so you’re obviously getting the wrong person. Go after criminals matey – not me!”

Something like three-quarters of working-class men under the age of thirty, apparently. Mercifully the vast majority of them seem to leave it behind as they get older.

The other day in the roundup it was said that S.(?) Australia police had stopped prosecuting under lockdown laws and were instead ‘just issuing cautions’.
Do not under any circumstances accept such a caution. It is an admission of your guilt and becomes your criminal record.

The police love them because it goes toward their target for ‘sanctioned conviction’ ( or somesuch). They have identified a crime, identified the offender who has been successfully penalised.

Not accidental

Data is never deleted. Unless it was all on a single server which exploded. They are lying to you.

re- the article ATL on universities: they are one area which actually could really benefit from a ‘great reset’ – ie, let’s just bulldoze them all to the ground and see what, if anything, arises anew. in fact, the whole of the education sector, from nursery upwrds, and the whole of the legacy media, the parliament and the government, and last but not least, the bloody NHS – all these things are so corrupt and rotten to the core that they have become nothing but a cancer on society, and all have been instrumental in bringing us to where we are today

Fully agree. Have quackademic professors (professing their anti-white cultural Marxism) in the family, with Phds (pretty happy dudes with the bullshit piled on high and deep). Never worked. Never sweated. Wouldn’t know which end of a broom to use. Indoctrination is their game. Too many Unis, too many useless degrees, too many useless quacks teaching, too much public funding, too much private debt. The whole edifice needs to be burnt. Daycare and brainwashing for young adults is what it looks like to me.

Who’s paying you to write this crap? Clearly no university would let you in and it’s sour grapes.

Completely agree. A young relative of mine went off to a Russell Group uni a fairly politically balanced omnivore and graduated as a full on tofu munching, open toed sandal wearing, Guardian reader and politically far-left.

That’s the level of indoctrination that you get.

For a start let’s the defund the following universities: Imperial, UCL, Soas then move on to the rest.

Oh so it’s the teachers you’re blaming? This is what happens in every totalitarian state because the one thing they want to destroy is independent thought, isn’t it?

Well that’s two things that do not go together in modern universities, university teachers and independent free thought. Oh look a right wing viewpoint burn them!

Totally agree

I’ll get over the fact I can’t ever go on a Saga coach trip for the rest of my life. Eventually. Time is a great healer.

I believe Acceptance is the final stage of grief.

They also offer insurance. I wonder if they will be discriminating against customers there also.

It’s blatantly illegal and I can’t wait for someone to test it out / be weighed in with a very large compensation payment.

Can you imagine the adverts when this is all over?

Have you been discriminated and harassed because you couldn’t wear a mask?

Were you forced to take a vaccine and suffered side effects as a result?

etc, etc….

The lawyers will be circling around companies like vultures because you can bet that we will be hearing loads of cases like this as the narrative starts to crumble.

Nevermind the claims for those who had to wear masks all day and suffered side effects. Risk assessments would clearly show that it was more deterimental to wear the masks than of the risk of catching a respiratory disease.

That too. Here’s hoping companies have deep pockets because of the amount of compensation they will have to pay for all these.

Hence too why employees should start claiming exemptions.

Won’t be surprised if they’re getting people cancelling because of the announcement.

And this.

I hadn’t planned on going either but if they are descriminating I think I will send a letter to them.

I am in the Saga age group but why the fuck would I ever go on holiday with them? A load of old winging Karen’s reporting me for removing my mask to sunbathe. And a load of wrinkled old fat blokes in speedos wearing socks and sandals. I just wonder what they think the jab is giving them? You can still catch and pass on covid. So you might not die but you can still be a spreader. Anyone know what the male equivalent of a “Karen” should be? A Norman??

Someone on Twitter months ago suggested “Kevin” as “Karen”‘s counterpart.

Mmmm I like it, and can see it on their Ford Capri windscreen

Dolores Cahill starting up freedom air – flying without vax, mask, test etc

From the England NHS website – as it has always been:

COVID-19 daily announced deaths
The daily announced files below are available daily from 2 April 2020 and contains information on the deaths announced that day of patients who have died in hospitals in England and either tested positive for COVID-19 or where no positive test result was received for COVID-19, but COVID-19 was mentioned on their death certificate.

So a completely arbitrary attribution with no strict set of requirements. And you wonder why “Covid” deaths can be so large?

Because it was always engineered to be this way.

These figures are as accurate as the 96% effective for the vaccine

I feel we have lost the current battle We are in a lockdown until March/April/Summer

I feel different now. My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage – can be taken away at any time by an over-zealous health sector

If they opened up everything now I’d still feel despondent because I still wouldn’t be free – it would feel temporary until the next ‘crisis’

The only way we can get back to normal is to admit – as a society – lockdown was a tragic mistake, punish the perpetrators and say it will never happen again. I feel we are a long way from that

My freedoms were never real – they were a mirage

You have awoken to reality, commiserations.

Another way to look at this is to notice how many ordinary activities people are doing despite lockdown.Whilst so many things have been done which are destructive – deliberately – to small businesses in particular, the government control of ordinary folk is limited, and we see again and again that people are not complying.

We do need to see justice – we do need to see more than a public enquiry. We need to see SAGE disbanded, and we need to see a restoration of all freedoms. But in the meantime, just keep an eye on the ordinary people – applying the rules as and when it suits them.

Totally agree, I have to walk my dog round Southend-on-Sea as my park is a flooded muddy mess and Southend-on-Sea is all paved. The roads are busy and the seafront packed. One or two mask wearing zealots, but mostly very old folk who I can understand. We live the life we are allowed. If they actually did allow us to “let it rip” this would be all over in a week and you would see how insignificant the numbers of lockdown zealots there were.

Its great going about saying fuck it, but you still can’t go to the pub, have a meal out, see a film, go to a gig , theatre etc, So the world diminishes due to the diktat of the maniacs.

Good to see a piece above the line about universities

Unlike schools, they never really reopened in any meaningful sense

The govt got a free pass on that, as on so much

With regards to the Saga saga, this is from the BBC article on the subject
”British-registered ship the Diamond Princess, owned by the company Carnival, was quarantined for nearly a month in February in the Port of Yokohama in Japan.
More than 700 of its 3,711 passengers and crew were infected, and 14 died. “
The language used in the last sentence is revealing. “More than 700” instead of 20% of the total complement of whom 0.5% died, with no reference to the ages or comorbidities of those infected or deaths. This is an IFR of 0.5%.

2% IFR surely?

But under 0.4% of the population.

You’re correct,

What is needed is the demographics of those on board.
Applying the Feynman approach:
It would be interesting to see what predictions the Ferguson model makes using the data from the Diamond Princess.

Yes but it highlights a fallacy in IFR when thinking about populations. The Exposure Fatality Rate is what we are talking about when we talk about the flu as the whole population is typically exposed. Even though it is called IFR because 60% of people develop it per season. So the fatality rate is related to those who catch it.

The Diamond Princess was a demonstration in saturation effects, something that often takes months to a year. It is an accelerated life test.

Another example is the supposed efficacy of the recent vaccines were relatively vaccinated groups faired better but the problem was the noise floor for this group was already within false positive rates for the tests they used.

All the coronavirus experts knew this was a floating experimental study. It’s incredible how accurately they called it. Meanwhile, everyone called them deluded, or worse.

I’m a nobody with a degree that people make fun of and can’t make a decent graph to save her life yet I figured it out back in March. I very accurately predicted the covid death rate for Australia. My figures were off by single digits.

I’ll probably be lynched for this view but in my opinion the risks of being damaged by mammograms (cancer causing radiation, intense pressure leading to squishing tumours and spreading cancer cells, misdiagnosis, leading to more unnecessary invasive pricedures) is more than catching covid19.

I’m quite likely to catch covid-19 but I’m more likely to be killed by my toaster

Beware the fatal toaster. Also the lethal trousers and the deadly bobble hat.

Oooh I had lethal trousers in the seventies. As Steve Martin said trousers so tight you could tell what religion I was!!

I’ve come to an agreement with my toaster, provided I don’t bash it if it burns my toast, it promises it won’t kill me.

Rose, I agree. Not a procedure I’m ever likely to accept. I think they’re harmful.

If it’s available we can all make that judgement. If it’s not available we can’t. I choose to have the 4 X-rays every 4 to 5 years knowing that the radiation itself is not without risk. My choice. I accept your reasons for not having it as completely valid but until recently you had the choice.

You are absolutely right. Mammograms cause far too early ‘treatment’ for pre cancers that would never develop in many cases. I have had breast cancer and bitterly regret ALL my treatment. I should have known better having worked in oncology and seen how dreadful and ineffective treatment is. Cancer is no longer an illness – it’s a multi billion pound industry and one of the most lucrative worldwide. I came to my senses and refused chemo and radiotherapy which is why I am still here 5 years later. It is all about money and toxic treatments that maim.

I read sth about how breast cancer detection “too early” has lead to unnecessary treatment, but I do not remember the details. Should look into it again.

Basically, they call it Stage Zero cancer. DCIS often resolves itself or is so slow growing that it will never be a problem. Now they treat it aggressively which is ridiculous. Trials have shown that mammograms do NOT save lives. It allows the NHS and cancer specialists to claim a much higher ‘cure rate’ by adding in stage ZERO cancers. All a total scam. More misery and worry and unnecessary treatment.

Useful to know. Thanks!

You know how many Covid deaths there were in England between 14th Dec 2020 and 20th Jan 2021?

1027

According to the spreadsheets:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Now what this actually is, is reported deaths. As in for example on the 20th the total reported deaths that have come in is 1027.

So a death on say 15th Dec was not reported until now.

It means that figuring out exactly how many died on what days is very tricky as Nick Rose is frequenty pointing out. Of those 1027 deaths 53 had no positive test but were called Covid anyway.

Another reminder for those who have missed this in the swarms of comments on here: ‘The New Normal’ documentary which has gained huge traction despite being pulled down at a rate of knots from YouTube and restricted on social media.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-new-normal-documentary_ecuUiUhHpP9INeh.html

• It’s woken up some of my most ardently lockdown-supporting friends and family
• Focuses on the timeline of the virus, including events in 2019
• Exposes the PCR test and the pandemic being hinged on ‘dodgy data’
• Shines a light on the anti-lockdown movement and police heavy-handedness in the UK and elsewhere
• Explores the ‘Fourth Industrial Revolution’ plans which are hiding in plain sight and obscured from mainstream consciousness

Please watch if you have time – it is critical viewing, and superbly put together. As I said yesterday it’s almost like something you would see on BBC2.

And please, upvote this comment if you’ve seen it and recommend it, or watch it as a result of this and recommend it, so more Lockdown Sceptics readers see this comment.

Seconded. You won’t see anything like this yet on any mainstream channel. Give it a year or two and they’ll be pumping these out by the bucket load.

Oh, I so hope you are right.

I watched it yesterday. Can also recommend (especially for non-sceptics if you can get them to watch it). I find it very disturbing that it has been removed from mainstream anti-social media: a large section is actually someone speaking at the WEF and warning against the dangers of technocracy.

Personally, did not learn much new, but it is well made.

I heard from a nurse this week that this years mandatory annual refresher CPR training contains a directive to omit mouth-to-mouth resuscitation unless wearing full PPE. This is reasonable because mouth to mouth on someone who is infected with Covid gives a huge viral load to the person administering it.

However, in practice it means delaying CPR for many precious minutes while the responder gets into PPE. This might explain the large fall in heart-attack admissions mentioned in the roundup – and it means a good chunk of those excess deaths (and ICU admissions? I don’t know) might be occurring due to this directive.

That’s not to say I disagree with the directive itself – it is not fair to put medical personnel directly in the line of fire (although hopefully it has been risk assessed and not just imposed according to the precautionary principle).

But it shows how data on excess deaths, pcr-positive-tagged deaths and perhaps even ICU admissions are muddied by this and many other side-effects of how we are dealing with the core problem — but of course they are all conflated into “covid deaths”.

Akin to a shit at sea not going to aid a May Day call by saying wait for the Life Boat to arrive they have yellow uniforms.

Ship

I thought it worked just as well in the original form

So did I!

Can a medic on here give us the low down please? How much mouth to mouth was actually used anyway?

Wouldn’t medical personnel have access to a bag device, not requiring mouth to mouth?
Is the NHS that crap?

Mouth to mouth in a hospital environment seems very strange when use of an ambubag/airway would be the normal recommendation.

is it about 80% of patients who are revived or receive cpr die anyway?

About 80% of patients who are presented to A&E with an infarct. Casualty peddles fairy-tales about this and many other things

About 80% of patients who are presented to A&E with an infarct. “Casualty” peddles fairy-tales about this and many other things

Mouth to mouth has been on the backburner for the best part of the last ten years. Largely, in my view, for reasons of squeamishness. If the person lying blue-faced in front of you has regurgitated vomit, you really need to do a thorough finger-sweep stat followed by positive pressure into the airway. It’s what I would have done if necessary if I’d ever been a first-responder to a collapse on the pavement with no ambulance on the scene. All this disappeared from my most recent fair-few CPR refreshers.

Last year, and all the years before, was PPE required before giving CPR during the influenza season?

“Except of course every time we’ve locked down – in March, November and January – it can readily be seen from the data that new infections were falling before the restrictions came in. Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance? ”

Because they’re not interested in evidence. Johnson and his advisors don’t care how many die. If they ever change course, it will be because of imperatives far removed from concern for the wellbeing of the public and their human rights. Just like the state premiers here in Australia.

Or they know infections were falling?

Indubitably.

On R4 now: “Dog training online”: I kid you not!!
IS IT ANY WONDER THAT PEOPLE FOLLOW LIKE THE SHEEP THAT THEY ARE???

is this about training a dog? or using a dog to train the sheep . herd immunity?

I feel like telling the MSM to flock off.

It’s about training the nation to behave like trained dogs.

That’s woof justice!
LS’s have a sense of humour unlike the collaborators.
Got to go now, I’ve got to wash the blood off my hands.

Was just reading about the test required if you need to re-enter the UK…the minimum requirements are in image. Really interested in how this relates to the acceptability of the current testing we have here, but my maths isn’t quite up to it…

I believe that the specificity is related to the false-positive rate and the sensitivity the false-negative rate? Is it possible to say how many PCR cycles would have to be run to find 100,000 virus copies per ml?

Am I right that they’ve refused to even publish these parameters about our own PCR tests? How would you know if a UK Gov issued test meets these standards?

I think a Ct of 20 (2^20 is c. 104k starting from 1 single copy.) ? No don’t think they have ever admitted the specificity or sensitivity of the various PCR tests but Hancock eventually coughed up a figure of <1% for the former in a TV interview.

Is the 100000 per ml the starting point or the finishing point? I.e. is a person considered infected if they have 100000 viral particles in their sample before the test is run? Or is a person infected if there are 100000 particles per ml AFTER the test is run?
I would hope that it is the former.
The number of steps required would depend on when the sample becomes visible due to the fluorescent dye attached to the DNA during the PCR.

Some hypothetical numbers.
Starting with assumption that the PCR runs for 30 cycles as suggested by Dr. Fauci and others.
Assuming that the sample size used is 0.1ml, then there are 10000 viral particles present.
After 30 cycles there will be 10000 * 2^30 strands of DNA that fluoresce. (positive result)

10000 is very approximately 2^13
If the number of cycles is increased to the 40 used currently, then having 8 pieces of RNA in 0.1 ml or 80 in 1 ml will produce a (false) positive result.
If the number of cycles is increased to 45 then a positive result will be seen with less than one particle of RNA per ml.

Reading it again yes you’re right – they are meaning the load at the start. When all is said and done it’s been as plain as a pikestaff for months that Ct should be ended at a max of 30 (preferably 25) to avoid false positives. When prevalence is low as it was from mid-May (possibly really March) to mid-Nov there is no need to test at all.

You wouldn’t/couldn’t know.
The required sensitivity allows up to 20% false negatives and the required specificity up to 3% false positives.
As a means to preventing any infection coming into the country it is useless as it depends on people testing negative. If 20 people out of 100 with an infection show negative then they are let through bringing the infection with them. Whereas only 3 people out of 100 without infection are stopped.
These requirements do not do what the government thinks they do.

If instead of SARS-CoV-2 it was, for example, Ebola, this policy would ensure we had an Ebola epidemic.

My Wife has received the following invitation to attend a (non conspiracy theory) event about the great reset

Email from events @ devex com

Dear XXXX,

We are co-hosting two events I thought might be of interest to you. Below is information on each event and a link for you to register.

Catalyzing a new future: From small islands to great ocean states
Wednesday, Jan. 27, at 7 a.m. ET (1 p.m. CET). Register here.

In a post-COVID-19 world, we know we must capitalize on the opportunity to reset the economic system and build one that incentivizes sustainable and inclusive economic growth with strong private sector participation. Together, we will discuss leveraging the power of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, renewable energy, innovative financing and resilience mechanisms, the ocean economy, smart policy for investment facilitation, and economic diversification to ensure small island developing states can become thriving economies of the future. Register here.

“In a post Covid 19 world” ? Well that’s encouraging I suppose….

Not really – post covid they hope to have the people enslaved. That’s it’s purpose.

I think they mean “now that Covid-19 is here to stay….”

The Great Reset = Greenwashing 2.0

Just checked Devex out on the wonderful Interweb. A more blatant CIA front-company would be hard to imagine.

Looks like Saga Holidays got such a roasting over their no vaccine no travel missive yesterday that they have locked their Twatter account to approved subscribers only.

Saga is not just a tour operator, they are also an insurance provider. They can be hit in other ways as well. If I get another spam email from them I will let them know my thoughts

I have my annual holiday insurance with Saga. Just waiting to see what day will come up with this year. Trailfinders insurance seems to be the way to go.

They got hammered so badly that they’ve chickened out. Won’t be surprised if they’re being swarmed with cancellations.

They can be attacked for race discrimination too. More non-white than white people are reluctant to be vaccinated, and who is to say they are wrong? Normally I would be against playing the race card, but all’s fair in love and war, and this is war.

I guess all the staff on the cruise ship, and I mean ALL, need to be vaccinated as well?
As these are from 2nd and 3rd world countries, and the West has bought most supplies, will the cruise ship operator organise that?

Once again, I sit down with my coffee and bring up LS and, once again, it begins with a negative story full of bad news. I will scroll down but I know I’m going to find charts referring to ‘Covid cases’ a completely meaningless statement. I’ll eventually get to something telling me I am ‘woke’ followed by a request for money.I already donate but am wondering whether to continue. Can you please sort out your editorial priorities???

Out of genuine interest, Bungle, what positive story of good news would you have given top billing? I sympathise with the craving for good news. However, the sceptic-curious visiting the page surely need to see the perpetual carcrash going on around us of which the first piece seems to be a good illustration. What do you feel the editorial priority should be?

If you are offended by Chaucer being taught at university, then hopefully the woke section will have cheered you up by providing some good news.

2 days ago, Suchit Bhakdi’s interview was fabulous. ooi you will smile when I tell you I was always asked to read the Canterbury’s Tales at school as my old English was so good. According to my teachers, that is!

I will have a look at Prof Bhakdi’s video today – had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder! Listening to him certainly always makes me feel that there is hope. I’m sure your old English was superb!

Er, Chaucer is in middle English. Old English is harder and looks like this: “Nū scylun hergan   hefaenrīcaes Uard,
metudæs maecti   end his mōdgidanc,
uerc Uuldurfadur,   suē hē uundra gihwaes”

Qweynte.

Another divide that the long lockdown might open up is between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated. The latter are likely to face restrictions that the former don’t. Indeed, discrimination could be a deliberate instrument of policy if achieving herd immunity is deemed to be compromised by the refuseniks.

That is dystopia I can never unsee these things whether or not this comes to pass. This country is an utter disgrace and no longer deserves to call itself democratic and free. I will never trust this government or my fellow people again.

I can never forgive those who have allowed us to get into this position through bloody minded ideology or lazy intellectual stupidity.

I would call it segregation, something this country has fought against in other countries for many years

apartheid!

Morning. There’s an open gov.uk request for honours nominations related to coronavirus work and I suggest a concerted effort for Toby. I’ll draft something later after work and post for suggestions. My writing skills aren’t brilliant so I’d welcome any feedback. If nothing else this will flag lockdown opposition to the centre of the establishment.

https://www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-for-coronavirus-work

I was thinking about this topic last night, there is no other organisation or website that so comprehensively brings the topics together.
Save our rights UK, Keep Britain Free, 2 other sites I am subscribed to, are about political reform.
Lockdownsceptics is the only site which – in my experience – is covering politics, medical, statistics, yes, woke stuff, and has a lively, informative debate. As well as a huge number of links.
I am hugely grateful for Toby Young to have put this together and all the people now helping, and all the contributors in the comments.

You should try to include:

• the nominee’s name
• any contact details
• their role
• a summary of the impact the person has made

You can add additional documents, for example letters of support, as attachments to your email.

The dominant narrative is that Bojo, the hapless ‘clown’ and his Keystone Cops Cabinet were pushed into lockdown. Pushed by public opinion. Pushed by the ‘experts’. Pushed by the Premier League. Pushed by the ‘Left’. Pushed by Piers Morgan. Pushed by ‘Professor Doom’ Neil Ferguson and his ludicrous ‘modelling’.
But if they had already arranged a £119m lockdown advertising campaign, which referenced emergency economic measures in its communication strategy, it would mean the decision to lockdown had already been taken many weeks earlier. At the same time, the government was giving every impression that they weren’t going to lockdown. RT

A brilliant summary, Dan, wonder when one of our brilliant journos will put that to them???

Pushed by their own deire to coverup a decade of their maladministration of the NHS.

I think the ad campaign being in place, might be a bit of a red herring, in terms of predetermination. It’s likely they could say that the campaign was in place, in preparation for public information. The wording and focus, could have been ( and probably was ) put in at the last minute.

Who knows. The misinformation appears to be the way of Covid

Dis information. D eliberate.
Mis information. Mis taken.

It was outright propaganda, dressed as public information.

Dis info then. You describe it to a tee.

Most likely months earlier as you don’t do a £119m deal overnight. It stinks.

There is something very sinister about black masks.

Historically only criminals wore masks!

I agree. It is the mafia thug look. Many people who ought to know better are wearing black by choice. Surely to intimidate. Put a grey one on and the look is entirely less threatening and sinister.

Black is a statement. Punch here is it’s underlying message.

They also don’t show the dirt. The grey ones provided at work soon start to look really grubby. So it probably helps prevent them from realising what a bad idea wearing these things is.

Could do with a skull and crossbones on it like the Jolly Roger.

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I saw someone with a mask on that said „censored“ on it. Seemed appropriate

Agree. Especially on men and those wearing casual clothing (hoodies, puffa jackets, jeans or tracksuit bottoms, plus hats). Not to sound snobbish or judgemental but to me it just screams “mugger” or “criminal”

I avoid them like the plague.

My boyfriend wears a black balaclava as a face covering solely to look sinister!

The nasty eyes don’t help!

My six-year-old daughter came into our room this morning and whispered, “I had a dream last night that the teacher came around with yellow tape and taped up our mouths to stop the spread of coronavirus.”

My three year old said a while back “Daddy, i can’t wait till the coronavirus isn’t here no more”

I nearly cried. Told her kids don’t get it and it’s nothing to worry about. But these people who say this is all for greater good are so far gone right now I can’t say where this leads. It’s getting darker. The data is clear and it tells a positive story, but the virus is psychological. They’ll never give it up o matter what

Don’t believe the tripe. A new poll is out suggesting 75% of all Scottish folk think sturgeon should go if found to have lied to Parliament.

This lying and cover up scandal is why devi was in the pressed blessing the air molecules sturgeon spews out to pollute our atmosphere at tge weekend.

The covid pulpit daily has been tanking as people are fed up with the stench of corruption the woman stands in the middle of.

Covid has been used as a political weapon from first to last by sturgeon. Many brainwashed to believing the woman is doing a wonderful benevolent job. But is she is proved to have lied to parliament – bare faced several times at different public places, demonstratably, provably so – then the brainwashed will not accept her.

Just remains for people to connect one lie to another to another to realise it is a constructed reality we are living in. Entirely false and deceptive.

And right there you have a problem: dot connecting. It leads to an ugly big picture and people just don’t want to see it. They’d rather hover in front of Netflix.

Just a thought, but if ,as Bozo keeps reminding us, we are in a War, then shouldn’t the Zealots be willing to die for the cause?

A war with their own consciences

As of yesterday…

So the WHO has now said that if someone has no symptoms and tests positive, to essentially disregard this and test again with a different type of test – that’s my understanding.

The “asymptomatic” argument is now being wound up.

This means that in 100 days Biden’s “mask mandate” and the UK lockdown can be hailed (along with the vaccine) as having “stopped covid”.

You couldn’t make this shit up. But if it’s coming to an end, then fucking so be it.

This, amongst many other things, was predicted months ago.

Biden can’t enforce masks for the whole US. It’s up to each state to make their own rules. And this guy who is supposedly running the country doesn’t even understand its constitution.

He is mandating it for all federal premises.

It isn’t coming to an end. And even if you are right and they say Covid is over, it will only ever be with suffixed with a ‘for now’. My understanding is (and has been since I saw Prince Charles harping on about it in May) that lockdowns will pivot from being used to ‘control’ a virus to being used to control the population in order to ‘save the planet’. I am already seeing confirmation of that with politicians and suchlike beginning to make these noises. The genie is out of the bottle as far as lockdowns and severe government interference are concerned.

I agree, they will curtail our lives to save the planet, when we could get rid of one of them and their excesses and let thousands of us live normally. Evil

and if you look at climate sceptic sites you will see that the planet doesnt need saving anyway. The whole CO2 scam is unravelling .

The sooner we get a republic, the better. That sausage fingered freak.

Saga, if you’re going to virtue-signal, do it properly. Act like you’ve got it (as we’ve been told) close your businesses and self-isolate.

“What I find utterly bewildering is, since when did our freedoms become contingent with the smooth running of the NHS? “

The sad reality is that this is inherent in the existence of a nationalised healthcare system. It’s just that we haven’t previously had our collective noses rubbed in that fact quite so egregiously.

Anybody who has been involved in defending basic liberty against the encroachment of NHS-based paternalism will know that the first resort of any advocate of restricting personal freedom of choice in making risk trade-offs, as any adult should be empowered to do, is the insistence that it is not just your own business, because we all pay for the healthcare costs through the collectivised system that is the NHS.

This has been most obvious in the arguments over smoking and seatbelts. The former case was complicated by the introduction of third party risks due to “passive smoking”, but the seatbelt issue was almost entirely a matter of imposing restrictions on personal choice in order to cut NHS costs. And the smoking restrictions based on “passive smoking” set the scene more directly for arguments that small, “statistical” risks to others can justify state suppression of personal liberty.

Those who accepted these restrictions on basic personal liberty sold the passes that ensured the defeat of any resistance to the coronapanic. It was conceded in 1983 that the state has the right to force you to change your behaviour even just for your own supposed protection, let alone in the more externalised cases of smoking and (notionally) disease spread. The only addition this time was the emergency argument about “overwhelming” the NHS, to give the anti-liberty argument more urgency.

A nationalised collective healthcare system is inherently opposed to personal liberty, by definition.

Ironically, the wearing of seatbelts probably costs the NHS more as, without them, you’d probably not survive a crash..

There are certainly pragmatic arguments against these illiberal measures. Risk compensation in the case of seatbelts, as well as your point, and the questionable practical effectiveness of lockdowns

For me, though, such arguments are irrelevant anyway, in view of the fact that the proposed restrictions should be barred at the outset as illiberal.

It also increased injuries to cyclists and pedestrians as determined by the Isles Report.

“ A nationalised collective healthcare system is inherently opposed to personal liberty, by definition.”

It has worked up to a point, before this year. It has now been taken to absurd extremes that are not even providing the benefits they purport to.

“ It has worked up to a point, before this year. ”

That’s a different issue, of course.

Yet, most here saw this coming:-.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/masks-are-coming

I can’t see how cruising will work anyway in the brave new world. Even if compulsorily vaccinated either shore excursions will be banned or heavily restricted. The rules on board will have to match the strictest of the countries visited. You will likely need to be tested over and over again. It hardly sounds like much of a holiday to me.

I know we are so pissed off. They are running no stop cruises just staying at sea to test the “safe” measures they have bought in. Test every day, temperature testing stations, masks everywhere, social distanced shows, half empty. No self service buffet, all served, one way system and arrows to follow round the ship, room confined if you test positive. Sounds dreamy. Another thing these fuckers have ruined for me.

and people have to pay for that??? not much of a holiday!

A prison cruise

Thanks again Toby for another informative update, keep fighting the good fight!

I do worry that elements of this blog might hinder our cause. For example the ‘Woke Gobbledygook’ section. I am no disciple of the woke left, however I fear that involving this blog in the culture wars is a distraction and will only put off certain lockdown sceptics, such as the free thinking guardian reader!

Lockdowns and preventing them, for the moment, is a far more important issue than various culture war debates. We should unite with anyone who shows a sceptical attitude to lockdowns, whether they subscribe to critical theory or not!

In addition. I follow a reddit page called r/lockdownscepticism. They publish a weekly ‘positivity thread’ which helps keep the mood in there positive. Maybe something to consider?

I agree George. We need a laser-like focus on covid-1984, and for that we need all the allies we can get.

With the qualification that there is a symbiosis and an intersection woth the ‘woke aenda’ that one cannot ignore – but yes I would integrate this as it came along, rather than highlighting it.

Woke is a variant of the suppression of freedom of speech and thought which has contributed to the coronapanic and its perpetuation

“ the free thinking guardian reader !”

I didn’t realise your comment was satirical until I reached this bit. Comedy gold! 

i must admit, i wrote that slightly tongue in cheek!

With apologies for the facetious initial response (couldn’t resist, sorry), here’s the serious counter to your point.

It’s debatable whether this coronapanic can or should be addressed in isolation. It arose out of global politics and cultural developments which had their own reflections in the changes in this nation over the past few decades. Imo it’s rather silly to try to understand it outside of that context.But regardless, if there is a case for sites that focus tightly and solely on resistance to the coronapanic to the exclusion of all context, it is clearly not the function of this site, despite the name. This is Toby Young’s personal blog, and he has never been averse to introducing other issues atl, nor has he ever required commenters btl to restrict their discussions in that way.

The argument that it would be tactically advantageous to avoid expressing political opinions that might alienate potential fellow lockdown sceptics with different opinions is a valid one, but imo not sufficient to justify turning the site into such a sterile and narrow one as would result. The “woke gobbledegook” section is a particularly important one, because wokery with all its self-harming, illiberal, anti-free speech ramifications, is particularly important both to our own dire national situation and to Toby Young’s personal stance as founder of the Free Speech Union.

I agree with your sentiment, and I enjoy the section! I just think there are only so many fronts one can fight on. What is true is that ‘woke gobbledegook’ has no traction in the real population, outside of big corp boardrooms, VICE, the guardian and the BBC, despite what the MSM would like you to believe. Its a subversive amalgamation of pseudo intellectualism that collapses under any scrutiny.

” ‘woke gobbledegook’ has no traction in the real population, outside of big corp boardrooms, VICE, the guardian and the BBC, despite what the MSM would like you to believe “

That might be true, but most of the items are there precisely because they have been pronounced or imposed by some authority figure somewhere. Having no traction amongst the population gives little protection when dogmas are espoused and imposed by elites.

More widely, I think it’s a matter of perspective.

“Woke gobbledegook” items are merely the extreme ludicrous cases of the ideologies that have been indoctrinated into us over decades. The majority of the population, especially among the chattering classes, simply accept those as unchallengeable dogma, and many even accept some of the still ludicrous extremes (vide BLM marchers).

What “has no traction” now is not what will have no traction after the next few decades of indoctrination have taken effect. Indeed, much of what now passes for received assumptions about reality would have been correctly viewed as ludicrous “woke gobbledegook”-style nonsense without any traction before the indoctrination of the C20th.

agree with others.. it is all linked together . Wokism, climate change, covid are all getting the same treatment from governments and MSM. It is them that conflate them together into ? (think whatever you want to think conspiracy wise) or at least treat any diversion from the accepted path as heresy.
Some people on here do not like non covid items mentioned. Some do. If you dont like it then ignore the post and move on.

mj,

Its not that I don’t like the section, I’ve always taken a very strong stance against the institutional wokeism (to bastardise one of their favourite concepts).

My concerns are simply for the main cause!

I don’t watch live TV as I could no longer stomach paying a licence fee to a body that broadcasts unadulterated state propaganda. However I do watch the odd thing on ITV player or All4 for which you do not need a licence.

Last night I watched the first episode of a new drama called ‘The Bay’. It had all the usual social engineering PC nonsense in it such as a young female working in a scrapyard and gay teenage son with an asian boyfriend etc.

However what really shocked me was that in the top left hand corner notices about ‘stay home’ etc flashed on and off after each advert break. This seemed to be pure 1984 Nanny State and shows that this ghastly government want to treat us like 5 year olds and are not prepared to allow us even an hour’s escapism from this oppression. They also have one of the government’s goon ‘scientists’ lecturing us on one of the adverts. As you can imagine the room was full of expletives from both myself and my partner.

I noticed that the other day when I turned ITV on.

The Bay is filmed in my hometown

I am in shropshire so not too familiar with Lancashire (which apparently is the police force) so I thought maybe it was Morecombe? Initially from the title I thought it must be Cardiff lol.

it is morecambe .

It is indeed Morecambe , we have beautiful views of the Lake District but sadly Morecambe it’s self needs regeneration.

Hey, it’s for your own good. After all, “everybody” now accepts that the things they were systematically propagandised and indoctrinated against through the C20th were thoroughly evil.

Just sit back and absorb the propaganda and in time you will come to accept that this too is for the Greater Good. Funny how that works, eh?

Unless, of course, you are a recidivist Bad Person yourself. A covid denier? An anti-vaxxer? Probably racist, antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic and sexist as well. If so, then just wait. A final solution will be found for your kind in due course.

Yes in other words I hold views which would have been regarded as entirely mainstream a mere few years ago!

yes – the TV companies know what is good for us. All the sports still show the kneeling and explain what is for to all us white supremacist racists. Sky sports take it even further .They still show Black Lives Matter logo alongside the score during a live game.
Strange that they provide an option to watch the game with or without the artificial crowd. But not an option to watch without the virtue signalling

Ah choice in such matters can never be permitted in case the vast majority choose that option and just want to watch the sport. I had quite a keen interest in football in the 1970s and loved the games with Jack Charlton, George Best etc and still watch them on you tube. Later on I got completely turned off by the ludicrous money and the gradual removal of players from what could be regarded as normal lives. On top of that we now have all the political propaganda and ghastly characters like Gary Lineker. I cannot bear to have anything to do with the modern game at all.

i remember my first holiday job where a not long retired ex England footballer was a plumbers mate. And you would often see players around in “normal” situations.

So true the game I loved, a man’s game of rough tough men, hard tackling and no quarter given or expected. Where you could talk freely and enjoy other men’s company with a beer afterwards. Has evolved into a swan diving prima Donna’s non contact sport. Where there is one opinion and you have to follow that line. Any deviation gets you banned and removed forever. Remember Andy Gray? No! he is erased! George Best would not have lasted five minutes he would have been me too’d right away.

As we all know the Church of England is poor. Poorer than a shoe box in the middle of the road. Can barely keep up the maintenance on it’s biblical sized property portfolio.

Well.

Justin Welby is all over and acroos the great green reset recovery. A mind blowing segment on UK Column revealed the old COE is to stump up £10.1 Trillion, yes T as in tree, to green-out to the max.

Deeply sinister, horribly globalist.

Brian Gerrish at UKC is a practicing Christian and so his words of concern are worth considering.

At about 49-50mins in for 5minutes.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-20th-january-2021

Also to add, Mike Robinson at UKC has been doing amazinng work throughout covid84, presenting, producing, writing, contributing, analysing and so on. Live three days every week much more prep and research to be so well informed. He really has been one of the top counters to the whole scandal.

That 10.1 trillion isn’t theirs.

https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2019-02/CofE%20Environment%20programme%20infographic.pdf

The Church of England was a major beneficiary of slavery, receiving substantial compensation when parliament abolished it. Given the dominance of Woke in the Church, when will Welby be making reparations?

And don’t forget the lands and properties they’ve appropriated from the Catholic Church during the Reformation.

Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition! What about reparations to the Inca and Mayan populations.

That and compulsory tithing – very unpopular in Ireland where they were the Church of Ireland was the minority belief system.

may have been mentioned earlier, I haven’t looked….

With the new WHO guidelines on a second PCR test for asymptomatic ‘cases’, does this mean that anyone dying within 28 days of a positive PCR test, but no symptoms, can no longer be described as ‘dying with covid’ – unless it had been confirmed with a 2nd test

I’d be surprised if the guidelines made any difference here. WHO guidelines are ignored unless they’re convenient – not that I believe that there pronouncements should be trusted in any case. Our Government will do and say whatever they want for their own ends, won’t they?

they use PCR based on WHO directives, if they go against WHO they will need a scientific reason/evidence why WHO is wrong

The WHO doesn’t have the power to impose health policies on national governments, it can only offer guidance and advice.

you mis-understand – not to justify to the WHO but to justify when questions are eventually asked – have to go far end of a fart in here

at some stage business forced to shut and any effected by ‘cases’ hysteria will likely look for compensation through the courts – gov will not be able to hide behind WHO guidelines

i think the implications of this new guideline is massive – currently you are not accepted back into the UK if you are a well person but have a negative PCR

companies are paying wages to people who are well but had a positive PCR test. People are not at work because they were pinged by the NHS for being next to someone with a single positive PCR test.

Yes, I did misunderstand. I wasn’t thinking in the longer term. Thanks for clarifying. However, I don’t think our Government expect there to be any sort of reckoning while they are still on the national stage (if ever) and I think they are probably right.

died within 28 days of a lockdown

That our enemies think rationally and that they care what you think.

Cribbed from https://twitter.com/StuartA05729349/status/1350918638400925700 , great chart showing where so many of the deaths came from.
Remarkably covid would appear to be a twin edged sword, saving so many people from one thing only to kill them with another. Strange!

Flu has been renditioned

I’m told by people in the know that in the summer the flu virus was put on a plane at Prestwick and flown to Guantanamo Bay

It’s now in one of those orange suits being transported on a trolley between water boarding’s

Apparently the flu virus has admitted that it had been hiding in the basement of a house in Saffron Waldon since March. It is still refusing to divulge the identity of it’s accomplices

Us humans can surely learn a lot from this years paltry flu virus. What a weak and pathetic flu this year. Research fellows across the world must be writing peer reviewing and publishing papers about the extraordinary weakness of influenza in 2020-21. The FeebleFlu (my copyright) may unlock doors to future flu onslaughts.

Anyone seen a paper about FeebleFlu 2020-21?

Why Saffron Walden?
Does flu like the coffee there?

‘The Scientists’ remind me of a cousin who got a job in a lab, testing food, she ended up with eating disorders. These scientists and their vaccine/gene therapy obsession see us as a bio hazard and living virus that needs to be dealt with. One mad woman even said do not hug you children even after the vaccine, they are completely deranged.

Really interesting psychology in that senario. A scientific mind so committed as to jeopardise the body.

Regarding the attack on Sumption, it seems to me that the attackers are saying something that they perhaps don’t mean.

He describes QALYS in plain words, and his detractors say that he is being callous and unfeeling. What he has just done though, is to describe the rationing system under which the NHS claims to serve our (ill)health needs.

All (ill)health insurance schemes whether publicly or privately run are rationed. A significant difference with the latter though is that if you pay more, you are insured for more cover. It is under your control. The French (ill)health system runs at around 12% of GDP and is demonstrably better than the NHS, which runs at around 9%. The French have a national scheme and can vote for better cover, we can only plead for better cover from the NHS.

Of course, if you pay attention to the quality of your inputs, your outputs will be more sustainable, and/or if you have loads of wonga you can pay as much as you like, in the ONLY non-rationed (ill)health service, your own wallet.

In other words, by criticising his words, they are suggesting that the NHS is not the messiah after all…

Having lived in France, I sort of agree that they in theory, have the best system, or at least a compromise. It struggles in places, mainly because of the insane amount of red tape, though we’re catching up here.

Anyone who says healthcare is not rationed or it is somehow immoral to ration it is either utterly dishonest or a moron

Utopianism gone mad

unfortunate the great ignorant public assume that the NHS finances are bottomless and they treat everybody for everything. Even when the media focusses on some poor soul with a very rare disease who will not be treated because it costs £10000 a month to treat they still dont catch on that someone is making a cost benefit decision somewhere. So if given the argument – we treat this person and it keeps them alive for two years at a cost of £250000 or we use that money to do 200 hip replacements and make live worth living for all these people – they just dont understand.
And this is just extended by the current idea that it is ok for the NHS to stop breast screenings again (and so condemning hundreds of youngish women to cancer and possible death) just to delay the deaths of a few old people with underlying problems.

Comment in reply to p02099003 from yesterday (I read it 11 hours after it was posted)

p02099003:

This is further evidence that it was around in one form or another months before, and was probably in the U.K. in the autumn of 2019, maybe before.
This would correlate with the patients my colleagues and I were seeing in October 2019 with persistent cough and low grade fever, being worse in people with diabetes and asthma.
When WHO declared a pandemic it became a panicdemic and susceptible people were discharged from hospital back into their care homes. This led to the conditions for an epidemic in this country.

My comment:

Doctors in Cesky Krumlov (CzR) reported patients with ‘unusual’ flu-like symptoms in autumn 2019. Cesky Krumlov is popular stop of point between Prague and Vienna for Asian (incl. Chinese) bus tours of Europe.

I live in a university town and work in a university city. During September/October there was the the usual influx of overseas students into both of these locations, including from China. These patients started shortly afterwards. I had a persistent cough for 6 weeks, and at one stage something went wrong with my taste, so much so that I was considering going to my GP, but it did resolve. My company arranged an antibody test in April, mine came back negative which is not surprising as it was more than three months since I’d had symptoms.

This is a very interesting question, and one day, some how, someone needs to get to the bottom of it. I’m astonished now little attention it has had so far. Aside from understanding the progress of the disease as it has passed through our society (and thus to any modelling), it is also vital to understanding the origin.

It was obvious that it was more widespread. Their stupid models that were made to scare us into social distancing showed that.

More of Andrew Lawrence’s Covid alphabet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7vHLtfmElY

I think this is how we should get our message across.

“Talking is worse than coughing”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/talking-is-worse-than-coughing-for-spreading-covid-19-indoors/ar-BB1cVWXB?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

The attempts to remove all forms social contact never abate. BT will need to change their slogan if they want to keep up with the deliberate hysteria…

That’s me done for, I never shut up and I’m loud as well, husband won’t admit losing hearing and my neighbour of 30 years was deaf but could always hear me as ‘I speak clearly’ she claimed. I’m just loud.

Yes, but so far the virus does not travel down a cable, so BT is fine.

the virus does not travel down a cable
That’s the next mutation!

For the past year my early morning dog walk in the countryside everyday has been a couple of hours escape from the nightmare.
But even that is under threat now as I am encountering muppets more often.The two fucking nutters I saw this morning really wound me up.Out in the countryside,lovely bright,cold but refreshing winter’s morning and there they are muzzled up to the eyeballs in black neoprene,they make me feel sick,why don’t they just fuck off and stay at home if they are that frightened ?,everything else that I enjoy doing has been taken away so I just want to be able to go for a walk and escape the insanity.I told them they needed their heads testing but they didn’t hear me.
I now despise anyone that is going along with all this,I’ve have no sympathy any longer for those that are frightened,they have had long enough to question things and do a bit of their own research,if they can’t see the hell we are sinking into then they are complicit and they will,like the government,never be forgiven.

I always shout loudly. Hmmm. ‘ Lovely fresh air !..

Might try this shortly…

Couldn’t stop laughing for ages after I saw that. Thanks!

“ Sir Patrick said he was pushing ministers for a harder approach against the virus, because their experience since March showed that looser measures easily allowed the virus to resurge.”

Noe what would somebody say who has deep financial roots in the pharmacological industry?

The man doesn’t even pretend to tell the truth. At least with Whitty you get the sense that he feels guilty about the lies he is telling, Vallance is just completely shameless.

Guess which one has thousands of shares in a pharmaceutical company?

A preposterous idea for a new slogan
“Open the NHS. Do your job. Try and save lives”

It’s what we used to express as: “keep calm and carry on”, before we made the cultural shift to: “oh my god we’re all going to die run and hide under the bed!” as a national motto.

I blame those tea towels for the mess we’re in.

“… she (Sridhar) said that eliminating the virus should be the goal where possible.”

Anyone coming up with such bonkers, straight-jacket, stuff shoudn’t be anywhere near public health policy.

https://www.socialsciences.manchester.ac.uk/social-anthropology/study/what-is-social-anthropology/

http://www.medanthro.net/about/about-medical-anthropology/

… how people live in societies and how they make their lives meaningful.

She seems to have got the wrong end of the stick – or she’s downright evil.

We know it’s impossible and she knows it’s impossible but it keeps the silly twat in a job.

Extraordinary that nutcases like Devi are running the show. They seem to have the upper hand for the while, unfortunately. But I still think it is all built on sand and can collapse. Keep heart, folks.

Put her on trial.

when they’ve got rid of covid they should move onto colds, flu, athletes foot

More BBC propaganda – and an insight into the MSM approach
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rdlc
The Media Show – Reporting the war on coronavirus :The challenge for journalists of reaching the frontline.
People from BBC and other MSM . Quite revealing when you listen – common agenda?
Also it managed to get a dig in at Toby and last weeks about turn

Once again the main headline on this page starts with the word Boris,why do people keep referring to this peice of vermin in this cuddley, respectful, grandfatherly,guise… Let’s get this straight no respect what so ever should be given to this lying bastard and those writing the daily updates should reflect that sentiment..

Absolutely right. I try to refer to him as Johnson when polite euphemism is required, and try never to use his preferred cover name. Why give your enemy what he wants?

Same here. To me he’s Johnson…..ruled by his johnson.

Good point – using US slang he’s a right johnson, as well as Johnson.

Boris is a name often associated soviet communism, funnily enough so is Alexander, must be something in it.

I always use pig dictator

Seems somehow appropriate

I always write ‘Liar Johnson’.

I think its to do with Toby’s matey memories of ‘the potato in a wig’ from his oxford days. I’m sorry Toby but Johnson is no mate of mine…in fact I regard him as my greatest enemy. I am not in the habit of calling enemies by their first name.

I only refer to him as Boris if it is followed by Ceaușescu

Peter Hitchens says his name is Al?

Breakfast nearly came straight back up!

Surely that’s a joke? Please …

Jesus wept. If I was God I would smite the author of this “prayer” and say “Not in my Name”

Surely it was God who created the Corona virus?!

If by god you mean Chinese doctor in a Biological warfare lab,then you are correct.

This is why churches are empty – before the scamdemic. Not only is that insane but it is fucking creepy too. Getting inside your head as some might say. Poor Canadians!

All the time in the world for view points of religion. For this, no.

That was the prayer sent to the parents of my daughter’s Primary School by the interim head at the start of the second lockdown (when they told the parents to make-up for drop-off/pick-up)

Personally, asking the parents to ‘make-up’ before dropping off their loved ones isn’t necessarily a bad idea. But I get your point. Perhaps those parents unable to wake at 3am to begin the, quite frankly, unachievable task of making themselves presentable to others by use of mascara, foundation, mortar and a bit of lippy, should resort to mask use with my full blessing.

(Couldn’t resist your typo – assuming it was a typo!)

Each breath that it holds
Says it all really.

It is strange living in a communist nation – the UK. With no freedom of speech. Called a denier for being a lockdown sceptic.. impossible now to deny that Boris Kemal Bunter and his teenage Rockerfella ‘green’ girlfriend and wife-beating Rockerfella ‘green’ dad have ushered in communism. And continue to do so.. build back bolshevik.

I’ve spent a great portion of my life being called all sorts of stuff for warning that communism was knocking on the door. Anyone could have seen it coming if they’d took the time to look outside the mainstream narrative. But for the overwhelming majority of people, the truth is too scary to accept, so it’s easier to go along with the crowd.

Slippery slopes indeed. Big State leads inevitably to national socialism and communism.

Slippery slopes:

Just a few Muslims they howled. Now 15% of the pop will be Muzzie soon with rapes, crime, unemployment etc.

Just Queers loving each other who have a right to be married they screamed. Now education, society is assaulted with Queer-tranny fascists, gender bender theology and massive hate of heterosexual whites. Only Queer is good.

Just acknowledge past racist sins of slavery they yelped. Now a complete rewriting of history, bending knees everywhere, non Whites applauded and appearing everywhere, hatred of White civilisation, anti-White racism rampant, ignore Black enslavement of Blacks, Muslims enslaving 25 mn Whites etc etc.

Just save the planet, be greener they groan. Now forced green policies, bird choppers, slave labour for solar panels, massive taxes, higher costs, possible derangement of the modern economy, state control of all energy etc etc.

ad infinitum…add ’cause’ here and the slippery slope.

No, they have uttered in Fascism, we are the scapegoats. This is not socialism by any means.

Correct. That is the name of the train thundering down the track towards us.

I’m surprised there was no mention on this site of the BBC’s latest extreme sensationalism yesterday. Germalist Clive Myrie chose to report the latest rounds of scaremongering from outside a morgue. Subtleties are out the window.

It provoked this video response: https://youtu.be/SRg50IqIbug

Seems appropriate to point out you can buy a T-shirt to fend off the nastiness of Myrie here: https://teeshirt21.com/product/myrie-you-can-t-scare-me-i-m-a-myrie-myrie-t-shirt-myrie-hoodie-myrie-family-myrie-tee-myrie-name-myrie-bestseller-myri-KvZjj?utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=100&msclkid=df5494b0918f1a866f8ff4b9c07c13fe

mentioned this elsewhere today .. Radio 4 Media show yesterday 16.00 covered this and interviewed Myrie about it (all full of praise)

Myrie can be relied on to be enthusiastically on-message.

I watched Talk Radio with Neil Oliver yesterday and he was talking about his teenage children. He said how they and their friends have gone from the high hopes of youth (going to university, travelling, starting a new career etc) to despair and their attitude is “what’s the point”. All they can see is more isolation, no fun, no hope and they cannot see this stopping, ever. What has the government done to the young of this country?

Did the government put that into their cost benefit analysis, oh they didn’t do one.

My 16 year old neice is struggling. She doesn’t want to get out of bed or dressed. She asked her Mum, ‘whats the point?’. And it’s hard to reason with that.

Same mine 18 year old niece..She stays in her room in her PJ’s, has not washed her hair in 2 weeks, barely eats cries pretty much constantly. I told her to come down to London(she lives in Essex) nd stay with us for a while, but her mum , a hardcore priestess of the Church of the Ultimate Covid said if she did that she would put lives in danger and would not be welcomed back home..I’m surprised she has not tried to kill herself, like 5 of her friends already did( 2 succeeded ..her comment? They are at least out of this nightmare) This used to be a bright, sporty , well presented, polite, intelligent girl..now she is waiting to end it all. I’m beyond anger now, I’m in a state of grief.

Five of her friends attempted suicide and two succeeded?

Correct..The 3 of them were a a cry for help but the other 2 …no chance of any help.

I bet the suicide statistics of this period are going to be a state secret, or distorted.

The woman sounds like a pathological narcissist, if that was her reaction to hearing of the suicides. Heaven help the daughter- see Bart’s comment below in that respect.

Hope her mum has deep pockets because there will be hell to pay.

I would be having serious words with her mum if I were you. The very notion of a parent putting this fucking virus ahead of their own child’s mental health is disgusting.

I am a private tutor and some of the girls say very similar things…I find it difficult to disagree with them. One of them also told me that her teachers keep telling them the pupils might die of covid unless they are very careful. I asked her if any girls at the school had died of covid…she said no. I said well the teachers are just liars then aren’t they. Thank god I no longer work in schools….I could never kow tow to that kind of gas lighting.

Lives matter except when lives don’t matter. The twisted contradiction at the heart of everything.

Totally agree. Last year I saw some segment on TV where this position was argued, and the person (can’t remember who) defending the Gov position basically said, to the effect, “yes well that doesn’t really matter, because we see the future for young people as having digital experiences with digital friends…” wonderful. (sarc. face!)

That person needs hanging.

and their colleagues!

Over the course of the last year the likes of Neil Oliver, Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham, all of whom I admire and champion—up to a point!—have failed to move on in their understanding of what is really going on. They all still cling to the belief that it’s all a gigantic mistake, it’s all incompetence and stupidity and that the government are misguided and don’t realise the harm they are doing. Peter Hitchens still exhorts us to write to our MPs (I’ve written to mine seven times…what a useless specimen he is!) At some point they seem to think that the obvious evidence against lock down (obvious from march 2020) will prevail and that will be that but then we will have the economic consequences of a gigantic cock up to deal with.

Personally speaking I would love to believe this but I’m afraid my faith in the ‘cock up theory’ vanished months ago. Whether by design or accident there is now something much more sinister going on. Our freedom is being taken from us and our main weapon now is non compliance, non co-operation and living as normally as we can. Only by passive resistance to an enemy we cannot as yet identify (plenty of options of course!) can we hope to overcome the ambitions of those who are determinedly trying to do us down.

Cock up theory my ar*se! Across the world, in unison, whilst enriching the super rich even more whilst the poorest are left to rot?? The moons made of cheese don’t you know and Elvis has been spotted working in Macdonalds!

It’s pretty easy to confirm you are wrong. Your neighbour believes in all this covid stuff and is compliant with it and will do what he she can to support. However they are not part of the conspiracy and neither is any government they are doing just as your neighbour is , going along with things

I agree. The only way out of this is mass civil disobedience, but there is no appetite for it. I don’t even feel I can speak to fellow business owners in the town because I fear they will go running to the authorities for my even articulating such thoughts.

Totally agree your views

Pretty much my feelings too. Much as I like and admire the individuals you mention, their constrained opposition is starting to seriously annoy me. Perhaps we ought to start asking about what motivates their clinging to this ‘mistaken policy’ nonsense.

Any thoughts anyone? I suspect they dont want to let go of their niches in the mainstream media…they see what has happened to Delingpole. Also I suspect they fear the growth of civil disobedience more than they hate lockdown.

Hitchen’s idea of writing to MPs is now a sick joke. Its a bit like a battered wife asking her husband not to do it again.

Many believe- including Toby, it seems- that it’s a sign of worldly wisdom and intellectual sophistication to show everyone that they’re somehow above giving credence to theories about conspiracies. As Marshall McLuhan said: small lies are hidden by official secrets acts; great lies are hidden by public incredulity.
P.S. the last urban legend I heard about Elvis was that he was working as a second-hand car salesman in Bristol.

Hitchens has had the same mantra since the beginning, and Neil Oliver is very compassionate, but in both cases you wonder if they have to be careful because of contracts?, tho. generally speaking any dissenting voice is welcome, even if it is a bit weedy.

I am awaiting a meeting with my MP to discuss this very thing

I’ve woken up today with a bit of negative G as the emotional rollercoaster is on it’s way down again for no known reason in particular except that Big Brother and his helpers appear to be rolling out another length of the suppression carpet. The light at the end of the tunnel is dimming and might just be the 9.50 from Paddington, empty as usual. The brilliance of the vaccine aura that kept us quiescent for months has dimmed now it is amongst us and the sages have consulted the runes and decided it’s efficacy is roughly the same as wearing a mask, which must continue …. forever. But more and harder. There is so much we don’t know, you see. There are people I (used to) see every day, whom I curse to the heavens, who stop in the doorway every time they enter a room, every time they reach the bottom of an escalator, just to assess the danger of continuing. They are the suffocators of life and progress and joy. They are in charge now, and I’m filling with a murderous rage. But then I see the below, from this edition today. And I smile. The life-blockers just need to be shoved out of the way as life passes them by. If they get injured in the process, it’s their own fault.

Re picture – I see Dorset police are still at it then……

Somerset & Avon aren’t much better.

I nominate Essex too.

” now if you had been chasing mice that would have been ok as “mouser” can be deemed to be work. However chasing birds is a pleasure activity and is banned.
And wearing a cat suit isnt fooling anyone .. if you are standing up you must be human.”

Somebody should have told the cat that he does not have to accept a FPN.

This is just a false pussy tiff.

Only Mrs Slocombe is allowed to talk about her pussy!

Love the picture. Has given me a real laugh out loud moment. In fact, I’m going to print it off!

It beggars belief that people have become so scared of living.. scared of themselves and others…

People laminating their appointment cards lol. Why not go the whole hog – frame it and hang it on the wall?

Wear it as a lanyard, gold bling to boot.

Like a badge of honour!

My missus suggested a professional photographer offering mugs etc like after going on the rides at Alton Towers which I think is a cracking idea.

Hello,

The BBC sent out a survey about their services. It does require logging in or registering, but it’s a good opportunity to give the BBC a good earful. https://www.bbc.co.uk/send/u61149175

I just sent them an e-mail back, no need to log in or register. Very satisfying.

Melvyn Bragg introducing In Our Time is one of the very few things that the BBC still do well.
Today was a fascinating 45 minute examination of The Plague Of Justian that affected the Byzantine Empire, among others.
Parallels with today are too numerous to mention but the participants clearly did not read the lockdown script.
‘At the end if the day they just learned to Live with it until it went away. They thought other things were of more consequence like making sure people were the right sort of Christians.’

Well worth your time on catch up or tonights repeat 21.30 BBC R4.

If the Eastern Roman Empire had implemented the lockdown policy for a year or two then the Empire would have survived. However, I don’t believe that modern industrial civilisations like ours with complex supply chains for a much wider variety of goods and services (including energy, IT infrastructure and so on), are going to survive a prolonged lockdown.

Even the Romans had long supply chains for wheat etc.

But much of their food was produced closer to home, in local farms and estates just as it was in Britain pre-1945. They had wheels and carts produced locally, ships too. Out transportation systems rely on long and complex supply chains for vehicle manufacture and energy supply. Complex societies are much less resilient than simpler ones.

Which is why the Justinian plague was overwhelmingly urban based affecting rural areas much less.

Britain had Ireland to supply food – during WW2 when Ireland was officially neutral, Britain supplied sufficient locomotive coal (special coal from South Wales suitable for steam engines) to allow the running of goods trains in Ireland that were carrying exports to Britain. All other trains suffered – having to use locally sourced anthracite, wood or turf.

Correct- Bulleid had a crack at designing a turf-burning loco when he was CME of CIE, didn’t he?

Which is what spread the contagion around the major population centres of the Mediterranean so quickly, bit like air travel these days.

No, it kept coming back over the decades until it had got who it was going to get, just like Covid but with a longer timeframe.

I find melvyn and guests put a revisionist spin on topics that relate to modern society. Lessons from history to guide thinking about today in a certain direction.

Often history is mind opening, I often feel a claustrophobia from the lens they put over historical events.

Just my opinion.

That’s because the interpretation of history is primarily carried out by academics, and most academics these days think interjecting contemporary political agendas into everything they do is what makes them academics.

I know Melvyn likes to invite guests from SOAS, I’m not sure who they were today but I did not hear any overt references to covid/lockdown.

He’s very good, and I’ve listened to hundreds of them since about 2012, mostly while walking or driving (iPhone tucked in breast pocket). But it’s very faintly irritating how condescending he is, by implication, to women – he evidently believes that not enough are qualified on their own merits – in that he operates an affirmative action system of always having at least one woman among the three panellists. Possible line-ups: all women, two women and one man, one woman and two men (getting less and less frequent). Forbidden line-up: three men. Yes, I know I am a very bad person to notice things.

Are you old enough to remember the last all-male panel on Question Time? If so, you must be at least as old as I am!

Mrs Beefheart had to contact the doctor to get an appointment. Made the fatal mistake of coughing on the phone. Now they want her to get a PCR test before being allowed to see them.

Desperate stuff, but it seems to be working. People are more petrified than ever and are willing to give up even more freedoms – not that they have many left.

I think it’s got to the stage where they’ve given away so many of theirs, they now want to force “other” people (those pesky rule breakers and deniers) to have EVEN MORE of theirs removed (locked up in camps maybe? confiscation of their private property? – none of this would surprise me at all any more)

I was also wondering about the vaccination “passports”.

If I were an unscrupulous person, I might think of paying someone to get the vaccine for me. I wondered if you had to show ID (and a utility bill or something) when they jab you. If not, how do they link the “certificate that I’ve been experimented on” to your person?

If anyone would like to apply for the position of Captain Beefheart’s Guinea Pig, he is willing to pay £1,000 per jab.

This has a lot in common with socialism. You know what they say: “Socialists don’t love the poor. They hate the rich.” In the same way a socialist does all they can to destroy the rich under the pretense of love the poor, so do lockdowners do all they can to punish skeptics that want their freedom under the pretense of protecting everyone from suffering.

It also has a great deal in common with fascism.

At its core the current agenda is about cementing the position of global corporate entities, who working in partnership with the states, are transferring wealth – and with it power – to themselves.

Read the books of Antony Sutton to see how Wall Street helped to finance the various versions of socialism.

Socialism in his view – in the USSR – was about creating a vast proteted market, and source of raw materials, and preventing the rise of a possible competitot to the US.

Interview – 40 minutes – with Sutton here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDvLmEBESY

Lockdown is not about ideology.

It is about power and money.

Different sides of the same coin.

I agree but at its core it’s no longer about money per se, more resources.

Money as we’ve known, and the currency systems they represent are very close to being kicked in the gonads then subject to vaporization.

Please excuse my frankness. These nefarious greedy fucks have built vast empires of wealth whilst pissing on nature, the environment and mankind and now want to save nature, the environment and mankind? The colossal, prehistorically gargantuan fucking irony of that.

But wait, with enormous gratitude to the plebs that have sweat the blood and tears to make our piles big enough, we’ve bought up all the world’s resources, well the bits that China hasn’t got its grubby paws on, plus the food, energy, technology, pharmaceutical and medical industries, we propose to change the rules and, well, fuck you, basically. Actually, we’re not even gonna propose it, we’re just gonna do it nice and slowly and hope you don’t notice whilst we laugh at you.

Whatever digital system they’ve got up their sleeves to determine the value of what they’ve got compared to what we’ve got is not going to be in our favour. Nor will it represent their gratitude.

The sheer conflicts of interests littered throughout this should be enough to launch a revolution, let alone the magnitude of the rest of this unprecedented piss-take.

Yes. though I would say that Socialists don’t necessarily hate all the rich, what they are usually getting at, is that if “other people” [ie them!] were rich they would do a better job with their money.

The Vetting and Baring Agency (Criminal Records Bureau as was) is basically a process of identification.
You are not required to divulge any criminal convictions these days because The State presumes it knows everything about you already (LOL) but you do have to produce three carefully specified pieces of documentation to prove who you are.
For this it charges applicants the princely sum of about £150.00.

I can see them co-opting this racket to provide a certificate of Covid vaccinated status.

Your results would be on your phone with your photo ID, apparently

No private surgery for me (should have had a hip replacement this week) as I refused a PCR test. Soon it will be ‘no vaccine, no surgery’. I can barely walk and am in constant pain. I weaned myself off opioids for this surgery so am devastated.

The lack of knowledge in health care staff is astonishing.
Inside Health had a segment on are LFT better/more accurate/reliable than PCR? They had an epidemiologist from UCL and a GP. The stuff the GP said was just hair raising. She had no understanding of PCR.
And she claimed that most PCR tests are people with symptoms.
I assume she was talking about community testing only.

“Saga’s pinned tweet yesterday telling customers that they would need to get the #CovidVaccine before travelling didn’t go down well with Twitter users. Today their tweets are protected. A ‘Ratners’ moment, methinks ”

See tweet for SAGA human rights breaching statement. Perhaps post here if able – its an image.

https://twitter.com/SmithWinstona/status/1352181334136025088?s=20

They are quite happy to accommodate those who haven’t been vaccinated against TB or smallpox though!

…presumably also they made no mention of ebola, legionnaire’s disease, rocky mountain fever, zika virus, scarlet fever, diphtheria, typhus…!

Just being pedantic .. smallpox in the wild has been eliminated .. However TB is an issue and it was noted over previous years that diagnoses of TB in the UK (where it had been pretty much eliminated by BCG vaccines at age 13) were increasing due to infected immigrants.
But the point is valid. there are many worse diseases out there which these institutions ignore

Smallpox killed an estimated 500 million people in the 100 years to 1960.

It killed 30% of those infected, with a higher mortality rate amongst small children.

It crippled and/or disfigured for life many of those it did not kill.

Wikipedia has an interesting entry ‘History of Smallpox’

Lokdowns are not mentioned.

appreciate that smallpox was bad .However as wikipedia states “ The last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977, and the World Health Organization (WHO) certified the global eradication of the disease in 1980 ” Notwithstanding this refers to WHO so they might change their minds about this certification, my point of pedantry is that the disease is no longer extant and so there would be no need for Saga to look to ban people who had not been vaccinated against smallpox

One of the survivors of it in that time period was Stalin, who caught it at the age of five or thereabouts. I believe there was vaccination in Tsarist Russia but it was patchy and slanted to the upper and middle classes in the cities.

Yes why pick on covid, seems biased

As a sceptic I do the minimum to protect myself against the virus. I am not scared of catching Covid because I am pretty confident of the NHS taking care of me in that particular situation . What concerns me more are those many other major and minor problems which include undiagnosed cancer, and those other manifold problems all of which need NHS involvement, whether for diagnosis or treatment, which does not seem to be readily available either from hospitals or even GPs.

I’m suddenly much more at ease with the geopolitical situation. If it’s to be a choice between the Thoughts of Chairman Xi and an American attempt to project transsexual toilet policy and critical race theory round the world – it’s a 你好中国 from me.

Not an overly appealing choice, but you may be right, though the crazier stuff coming out of the US may fade in time, whereas once govts implement CCP style technocracy it is harder to roll back

If you don’t mind having to inform the state of your whereabouts at all times by means of a QR code scan, the China is definitely for you.

Of course. And I’m not being entirely serious. I prefer a country that robustly tells both the US and the CCP to bugger off.

Love that sentiment

谢谢， 中国

BBC news must be having an orgasm this morning .. they are now linking the floods due to the bit of rain brought by Storm Christoph (which are of course due to global warming) to covid.
Feature .. wonderful effort by all to save the Astra Zeneca vaccine stored in Wrexham from the floods (interview with council person)
Then a tosser from Manchester explaining how they have been covid compliant whilst evacuating the community and the dilemma of “do I drown in my house or do i leave the house and die from covid” . He said people were in denial. No they were in de Mersey . boom boom!!
And now handcock.. excuse me whilst i throw up .

That has echoes of a BBC travel program back in early spring that interviewed lifeguards who had decided not to rescue drowning people because of the risk of covid. That’s what good people these virtue signallers are when you scratch the surface, and that’s why they fight us sceptics so viciously.

Apologies if already covered. There was some disbelief yesterday at the weekly death figures from the GOV website. Here’s an explanation from the ONS.

Week 53 included both the Boxing Day and New Year’s Day Bank Holidays, and registration delays during this period may account for the increase in death registrations in Week 1. Like last week, the trends should therefore be interpreted with caution this week. More information on the impact registration delays have on mortality statistics is available. To better understand the number of actual deaths that occurred in Week 1 we provide an estimate that is described in detail later in this section. The estimated number of deaths occurring in Week 1 using an experimental statistical model is discussed later in this bulletin.

Source.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending8january2021

Interesting to compare the two charts: that for Covid vs that for flu/pneumonia. In the former case, deaths where covid is invoved as a contributing factor are a small fraction of total deaths whereas the opposite is true of flu related disease. In the latter case flu is unlikely to be fatal if you are unlucky enough to catch it, but covid quite clearly could be, on its own and not just as a contributing factor?
Is this a consequence of most covid patients being elderly and less robust than flu patients who will include many who are young and relatively fit?

It’s always tricky comparing flu and covid data as flu has never been tracked in the same way as we are doing for covid.

If it was I would expect flu to have been marked as a contributing factor in many more deaths in the past.

I wouldn’t place any faith in figures for any respiratory illness. I think we can be sure that any Covid figures are bollocks.

The key sentence reads :

“ We estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 1 in England and Wales was between 14,008 and 17,728 .”

… which confirms the interpretation many of us made to explain the jump.

The other side of this is that pre-Christmas figures may need to be revised upwards slightly – which would be rational, given the unexpectedly lower than expected levels.

Here in Scotland a leaked video suggests that our public health police state -resists despite vaccine rollout. The clinical director our dentist of doom Jason Leitch tells an internal Scottish Government meeting “Don’t book a holiday till 2022” This despite cases falling he refuses to offer any light. ‘We can;t get used to high levels of positive cases… even hundreds are too much he argues. . Of course no mention of false positives and the poor quality of PCR. Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon revels in a pandemic which diverts everyone from their failures on care homes education. And vaccination as well as an inconvenient probe into the Salmond case. The Scottish government is also stuck in a cognitive tunnel listening to unqualified social scientists like Devi Shridhar and Linda Bauld whilst ignoring life scientists like Mark Woolhouse. We are not getting out of this any time soon.

Good comment. Sorry i didn’t see before posting link to sun articla about same.

See how leaks are deliberately used. The Scottish Goc are particukarly klunky about their leaking.

Aberdein has been whitewashed out of the MSP inquiry into Scot Gov. We know they are blatantly corrupt.

Basics I agree. Cards on the table I support Indie but the SNPs sanctimonious dishonesty make me angry. They are a cabal of scheming incompetent mediocrities. Student politicians and five minute solicitors in the main who couldn’t run a bath. There is a tradition in Scottish politics of Stalinist manoeuvring. Labour epitomised it. The SNP are carrying it on but the talent pool is so shallow and they can’t do it without messing up.. They are now being controlled by panicky public health zealots and low grade civil servants. Covid in allowing Sturgeon a daily bully pulpit suits their purposes. . Meanwhile they can whitewash and scheme till their hearts content. Our pliant media won’t hold them to account. I think the English press will go with it soon. That could change the game.

When liars, knowing they’ve been lying all along, admit to ‘mistakes’, they’re still lying.

So what’s up with the WHO’s recent reevaluation of the PCR test and its extremely high rates of false positives? It’s hardly to concede the critics were right all along, especially since this globalist front has shown no shame in continuing to contradict itself as well as others and longstanding science from the get-go of a ‘pandemic’, with its bogus bat origins and inflated predictive models, for which it already had changed criteria, as with the 2009 H1N1 sine flu fraud, so as to be able to visit plague upon the earth and invoke ‘lockdown’ (formerly a prison term which now has been rehabilitated for purposes of ‘public health’).

What’s likely being rigged now is the lowering of the cycle thresholds to produce decline of the casedemic phase of the scamdemic and ‘proof’ of the efficacy of the so-called vaccines as these are being rolled out. That doesn’t translate into the lessening of lockdown restrictions, as Warden Johnson reminds the inmates, so long as there’s not enough ‘vaccines’ (claiming in fact to be able to reduce symptoms only), or people consenting to being lab rats in an ongoing worldwide experiment for implementing biotechnological devices with still untested and undeveloped potentials of genetic and digital control.

As far as the “masters of mankind” (Adam Smith) are concerned, their covid coup will continue as long as they can get away with murder in the name of public health, because the ‘vaccination’ agenda is not just about profits but power. As Doktor Bill Gates, private philanthropic director of the WHO, has stipulated, we’re not going back to normal until most everyone on the planet has been vaccinated, that is incorporated within the population control grid (‘immunity’ passes, 5/6G, IOT, central bank cashless currency, social credit scores, and more). This ultimate goal connects with why the WHO also recently reevaluated its definition of herd immunity, reducing it exclusively to vaccination, altogether eliminating overnight naturally acquired defenses, and human evolution.

We need to stay true to real science, rather than the Frankenscience of technofascists. But we must also recognize this plandemic has never been about people’s health and welfare, any more than other bizzness as usual corruption and criminality of corporate state rule. This is about who calls the shots for humanity.

An Hour After Joe Biden Is Sworn In, WHO Admits Their Testing Grossly Overstates Individuals Testing Positive for COVID
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/hour-joe-biden-sworn-admits-testing-grossly-overstates-individuals-testing-positive-covid/

And Toby still doesn’t believe there’s an agenda at play? That this is all about incompetence and stupidity?
These people don’t get where they are by being stupid. These are smart devious people, but they think we’re stupid, which is why they are surprised and upset when we don’t believe them.
Or they don’t care.

In other news, the Democrats have ripped off the far left mask, and are going full-on authoritarian, Will be crushing any dissent.

PCR tests were never designed to find ‘Covid’. They have always been a convenient tool to ramp up the hysteria. Can you imagine how stupid people must be to believe that if they are not sick, no symptoms, they still ‘carry’ a disease which will kill others?

You could test yourself 2x today, send the results to 2 labs and there is an even chance of getting 2 different results – even though you are healthy, have no symptoms. So, the idiots then say ‘well you are sick but don’t know it…’ You could apply that non-logic to TB, West Nile, Malaria, Diarrhoea etc etc. I don’t have any symptoms doc for malaria…’no stupid, you could be asymptomatic, we need to test, jab you, you moron, don’t be anti-science, murderer, spreader, fascist…’ etc.

But hopefully waking up even more new dissenters!

They may be both stupid and devious

I think it is wishful thinking to believe that coronapanic was a front to get rid of Trump and now we’ll get back to normal

I am sure Trump’s enemies used it against him – that is normal politics

But Biden and the Dems look fully signed up to the coronapanic agenda

“ Democrats have ripped off the far left mask, and are going full-on authoritarian, Will be crushing any dissent.” Far-left, far-right, whatever – in recent years they have shown little sign of believing in freedom of speech or honesty – no mask has been ripped off – the party has been taken over by shrieking extremists

They will snap back to form – The Dems are in hock to the banks.
They have already slapped down BLM and the extremists just sat there and took it on a zoom call
My sides

“ I am sure Trump’s enemies used it against him – that is normal politics”

As Trump used it in the opposite direction – it certainly wasn’t innate wisdom!

This sort of irrelevant drooling over Trump does the work of 77th Brigade brilliantly in corralling opinion here at a time when a broad coalition is needed.

Hugh Pennington just claimed on talk radio that the virus was gone from London last summer but was brought back again from Spain by returning asymptomatic holiday makers – surely this is bollocks?

Bollocks, Yes,

Oh I remember those heady days of summer. No cases, no deaths; completely gone from our dear British Isles. Until those pesky chavs came back from Spain…

Everyone was a sceptic then, “Always knew it was bollocks mate”, they’d say, striding into their local.

Now they are home, bordered up windows, drinking Mr Sheen watching the phone for the call to get the jab.

Because they don’t think for themselves. They never did. They are moved by the social mood, stage managed by the media and Gov.plc

Don’t call me….sorry couldn’t resist

That old guy does my head in. Idiot.

What the CV 19 waited, asleep, no symptoms, no indication in the host…..then as soon as they landed, out pops the CV, floating, biting, killing? Is that the moron’s story? Can he prove it? You know, the science?

seems to base things on jackanory based rather than evidence based science

What an idiot.

Bollocks? never stopped them before

Totoal bollocks and a script. The Health Minister for Scotland spouted similar tripe, saying something like they fought back 300 variants but one Spanish one got through.

Nope, all true. He knows exactly where that sneaky virus is at all times.

Did anybody see this in Zerohedge? “Jabs For Joints: Free Bag Of Weed With Your COVID Vaccine In DC” That really is how Washington is trying to persuade people, especially young people, to get vaccinated – a bag of cannabis, instead of a sweetie.

And no doubt with a catchy name – vaccine haze, mRNA liberty or totalitarian glue

Vaccine Haze sounds like a new eau do toilet from Laurent, Gaultier or Miggins.

Which one is the gateway drug?

The US government has secretly been running their domestic narcotic black market for years. It’s lovely to see that they can now start doing it openly. Now that’s real progress.

Considering what I read about side effects, you need a little cannabis for relief.

That was my reaction.

Freedom writing challenge: https://thewhiterose.uk/freedom-writing-challenge/

An elderly relative who has advanced osteoarthritis of the hip and is in chronic pain and unable to walk more than short distances finally got a telephone appointment with the GP today. She was advised that nothing can be done and no investigations can be made. Instead, my relative should “just keep enjoying food – it’s about all we have to keep our spirits up at the moment!”

God bless our wonderful, brilliant NHS.

Yep – it’s officially changed its name to No Help Service .

Don’t wildly exaggerate. I’ve had massive help (GP and two specialist hospital areas) via the NHS over the last month alone.

The NHS is now a local phenomena

you have been fortunate then .. there is enough evidence around to show that a lot of people have been let down by the NHS since last year and that a lot of normal routine examinations, tests and procedures have been cancelled or delayed. criticism of the NHS is totally valid.

Plus of course the article above the line about Surgeons asking Sir Simon Stevens to suspend Breast Cancer Screenings. What the fuck have breast cancer screenings got to do with Covid?

Well, you know what they say: it’s the exception that proves the rule. And yes, there are a few good GPs around (my sister, who is handicapped, fortunately has one who will even, once in a blue moon, visit her), but it is now very rare; my surgery is all-but wrapped in barbed wire.

It isn’t really wild exaggeration. It’s a comparison of anecdotes. In time, unless public debate gets shut down completely, we will find the truth of the NHS’ behaviour this past year. Unfortunately I think it’ll be at the cost of many people’s lives.

Not so for me. Locked against the public. I emailed them in anger and got a reply saying that the Practice Manager is ‘out of the business today’. Business????

The wonderful NHS kept my mother in agony with the same complaint for years. A chance conversation led to her asking the doctor to make a referral for the hip replacement to be carried out at a private hospital at no cost to my mother. Needless to say, a couple of months later, the job was done. She received wonderful treatment. Might be worth asking, although given the current shit show, who knows if that’s possible now.

NHS in normal years will outsource hips. knees etc to private hospitals as a matter of routine . Indeed i had cataract done at a private hospital via NHS referral.
Whilst last year there was talk of NHS booking large numbers of beds from private hospitals for emergency covid overflows this would have stopped so there is no reason why NHS cannot continue to use Private hospital capacity for these routine procedures .

I am desperately trying to get a private hip replacement. First they commandeered private hospitals at an eye watering £400m a month although they didn’t use three quarters of them. Now I am refused private surgery at 12k unless I submit to a PCR test, even though my GP wrote and told them I have severe nasal issues (surgeries and torrential bleeding) Soon it will be ‘No vaccine, no surgery’. Even a man who fell off his bike and broke his pelvis was refused surgery unless he had a PCR test first. When I showed my exemption at the reception desk I was greeted with ‘I suppose you CAN manage a visor’ shouted loudly to humiliate me. I had to wear a visor and felt like a dog with a cone of shame. So, even if you pay, you get treated like shit.

I had a very pleasant telephone chat with my a Rheumatologist last year – the first “appointment” I was able to have for 18 months, which achieved precisely nothing. He couldn’t check my joints at all, check my posture, or my overall well-being. or see where I was having particular difficulty in movement. My appointment were already delayed by a year because of “re-organisation.” No mention of any further appointments either.

I just saw that B & M are offering 10% off to all NHS staff. What about the people whose income has been reduced and are on the breadline?! Whole thing stinks to high hell.

Should be renamed the NCS.

Hip replacement?

‘Johnson is in no rush to lift restrictions’ said Blair from the shadows, ‘his orders are to keep it going until the majority are owned by the state and can never obstruct my plans again.

Instead of going into lengthy discussions about missed cancer screenings, suicides, bankrupt small business owners, 99% survival rates and unproven mRNA technology, I may in future simply state my position by saying ‘because Tony Blair is for it’.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/anh-feature-searching-for-answers-in-the-brave-new-world-of-covid-vaccines/

Great

There is a whole lot of confusion over what the purpose of the covid vaccines is.

Quote of the century?

So Lord Sumption is being compared to a eugenicist is he? More deflection away from who the REAL eugenists are in this ever-growing pack of lies and take-down-of-humanity s/how that calls itself a “Covid Crisis.”

Seems to me the whole thing was a staged trap. First time such a debate has happened on TV (practically a year after this thing started) and they pitch Lord Sumption against a woman with incurable cancer… They obviously had enough time to do their homework on how Sumption would respond to certain topics and were prepared to be utterly outraged .

May well have been prepared

Sumption has trounced everyone who has interviewed him – men against boys – and I think they know he is dangerous to them

I am glad he had the balls to say it and then defend himself on GMB

Some will have been outraged but it needed saying

If we can’t get this accepted then we’re doomed

I’ve no doubt at all that he was set up.

Just because they’re out to get you doesn’t mean you’re not paranoid. The inclusion of a young cancer-sufferer on the panel wasn’t particularly unexpected or unreasonable. I was actually quite surprised at the generally balanced nature of the programme.

I have massive respect for Sumption – but I tend to agree with Christopher Hitchens that his response was not his usual careful self. It did leave the door open to predictable distortion.

Christopher Hitchens is dead. I think you meant his brother Peter.

Of course, what he was saying was what the NHS have been doing for years – issuing DNR notices to the frail elderly, denying them medical treatment, prioritising privately paying patients over NHS patients, massive failures in early diagnosis etc. He was only stating what is already NHS policy. He is right of cuorse. The woman with Stage 4 cancer should be asking what the NHS have done for her and what decisions they are making about her treatment.

For many people if they can’t argue using logic and reason they resort to emotional arguments.

The unfortunate thing is that emotional arguments appeal to many people because they lack logic and reasoning.

The eugenicists will get the deflectors eventually, the useful idiots

Lord Scrumptious should have known what would happen and prepared accordingly

The professionally outraged are encouraged by the potential to score virtue points on social media. It’s worth remembering what type of personality traits social media appeals to.

London, 21 January: The government faces a major embarrassment after the Information Commissioner ordered the Treasury to release an email containing its official estimate of the cost of decarbonising the economy .
The government accused of being fast and loose about data? Who would have believed it!!

Just spoke to a work colleague who has returned to work after testing positive (PCR) for covid. She was feeling unwell a couple of weeks ago but didn’t have any covid symptoms. she said she just felt she had no energy, headaches, aches and pains. Phoned work and they insisted she have a test despite not having a cough, loss of smell etc. Test came back positive. Husband had to self isolate and so did her kids.

My wife had exactly the same around ten days ago and she was off for a week. she works for the NHS but they didn’t force a test. My wife and my colleague just had a seasonal virus that appears every year. However my colleague is another COVID stat despite not having it. How many more millions are being counted as positives that aren’t?

When will this madness stop? Never in my opinion.

i have just had the same thing.. hot, tired , blocked up, sinusy, headaches . no cough,no loss of taste/smell. Similar thing i get every year.
Wouldnt dream of getting tested.

I know, it’s madness. Companies are driving the panic and the testing. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

You’re absolutely right – the winter always sees myriad minor infections. This syndrome is another distortion caused by Covid hysteria.

Sceptics focus too much on the disappearance of flu – when it is the other four (known) circulating Coronaviruses that we should be shouting from the mountaintops

Government will be more keen than ever that their minions count everything as positive to try and bolster their position now that the ruinous consequences of their lockdown policy are becoming apparent to even the silliest of sheep.

True. The world has gone nuts. There is no disease but Covid. People with no symptoms willingly participating in testing or coerced into it.
Feeling really down today as there seems no way out.

Keep thinking positively and looking upwards and forwards. It’s a fight to the death now – it’s a positive thing to do – success or not – at least we’re trying to change the narrative and to be honest, we are breaking through quite a bit now thanks to the rabid rantings of Neil O’Brien and others. It all leads to more traffic on here even if just to see what all the fuss is about. Recently, there have been quite a few new posters on here.

Oh, it will stop, when and how is the issue now.

The Wahun Health Organisation has decided that the PCR is bollocks. Who knew?

We did

I suspect the Chinese Intelligences Agencies found out Prof H was on the point of making an announcement and decided to get their retaliation in first

The narrative will read that the WHO and their acolytes in the West such as the pig dictator saved the world

We will not get a mention

Such is the nature of power

Should be the basis for an audit of what was actually a Covid death. However, that kind of vital analysis would no doubt see half of SAGE in jail, and the law doesn’t apply to the inner circle

I think it is worth pursuing or pushing an audit of what is actually a Covid death on these grounds. I am looking into strategies for mobilising resistance and dissention. I’ll keep you posted on here.

The Pig Dictator will take absolutely no notice of this, like they took no notice of the advise about lockdowns from WHO. They just cherry pick to meet their agenda.

Your question isn’t difficult to answer.

The petition lends credibility to vaccines that are inadequately tested.

The aim is right, the vehicle is a false premise.

Yes inattention to the framing of premises is the condition by which the public is led by the nose. You either take responsibility for the thought that you validate as your own, or you give your mind to any one and anything that takes the offer of an unwatched mind as a free lunch.

The wording would at least have to be changed to ‘once the vulnerable groups have been offered a vaccine’ for me to even consider signing.

“As soon as all vulnerable members of the population (the elderly and those with certain underlying health conditions) have been protected through vaccination, all covid restrictions should be swiftly removed”

I can’t see it. I think given the talk of coercion that it needs to be made absolutely clear that the people considered vulnerable should have a choice in the matter. Some will decide that this vaccine is not for them and it is their right to do so.

This letter relates to these tried and tested recombinant adenovirus vaccines. They were found to increase the risk of contracting HIV in vaccinated men. Quite the opposite of what they set out to do of course.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

I haven’t looked into it further. I’ll still trust in my own immune system.

I read this MFvH as:

“I am not real. I am saying nothing real. I am saying nothing.
There is no sense in what I say. There is no ‘I’ in the mess presented as real – EXCEPTING attempt to escape in its terms.
There is nothing real to escape’ except any remaining temptation to accord it any reality. Learning to defuse manipulative deceits is not just an ‘outside’ reaction – for that is itself soon leveraged against you. It must be the honesty of your own heart brought present – at this very moment – and every moment in which a false ‘friend’ insinuates where an open coercion fails to intimidate.

That a living one can lose their mind to a nothing, is so self evident as to be invisibly normal. But the choice as to what and who we are is not a result of ‘thinking’ or required behaviours, but of acceptance or denial of truth of our being. Why mask over in ‘thinking’ – bolstered with virtue signalling – except a fear of exposure in lack?

But WHO told you you were naked?

“ The elderly are at higher risk of getting very ill or dying of this disease, so vaccinating them makes sense.”

Wrong. A reasoning flaw that I often come across.

The vaccines have not been tested sufficiently. Certainly they’ve not been tested in relation to the vulnerable population.

There are particular question marks around the safety of those who are in this category.

Ergo – as a ‘vulnerable’ citizen, I wouldn’t touch any with the proverbial barge pole.

I think it is important to remember that the UK is the only country that has licensed the AstraZeneca vaccine. The FDA and the European equivalent and other countries including Australia have refused to do so.

The vaccination programme is a total mess and waning fast. As is typical of this Government they haven’t thought anything through. They haven’t considered the serious risks these vaccines pose to vulnerable people (i.e. deaths and quite a lot of them following injection) or serious ADRs. It is not the solution because this whole Covid thing is a scamdemic built on a ponzi scheme of lies, fake news, manufactured hysterial, industrial levels of propaganda and of censorship.

What we have here is a seasonal respiratory virus just like the flu which disproportionately affects the 80yrs+ with two or more comorbid conditions. If the Government is to be believed then it would seem to be the case that it transmits in the same way as the bubonic plague/black death whatever it is called. It does not transmit at all in that manner. It is an airborne virus, out there in the atmosphere which finds hosts in those with a weakened immune system and increased frailty. Humans don’t transmit it from one to the other in the way that is being claimed and the evidence shows that quite clearly. There is no pandemic, there is no epidemic. We do not transmit it to each other, it finds us if we are ill, frail or elderly, no more no less.

That is the biggest fake news of this whole affair. How anyone believes the Govt Covid death data is beyond me. There are no abnormal excess deaths and if there are, they are likely to be attributable to people dying who have had life saving diagnosis and treatment cancelled by the NHS or being left in a care home being refused hospital admission or treatment. And we call ourselves a civilised society.

We do not transmit it to each other, it finds us if we are ill, frail or elderly, no more no less.

Brilliantly well put!

Well put Jo.

One of endless examples:
“ Why does this simple point never break through in the thinking of senior Government advisers like Vallance?”

The boot is on the wrong foot here. Why does such question not reveal its own answer immediately on asking?

Vallance knows full well that herd indoctrination is his chosen means to normalisation to system capture. He has his own reasons for such allegiances but such are they aligned to money and power as worshipped in the world.

There is conspiracy here that hardly needs hide itself but as a mask of ‘protection’ for the weaponised or computer modelled ‘victims’. Hancock laughs his ‘tears’.

What is the purpose in using a platform such as LDS for their deceits – as if there is any sense in them or trace of desire to see or hear their prisoner’s entreaty?

Grief will go round and around the same circles until it arrives at the willingness to release futility of clinging to what is no more, and open to the present as a call to live what is.

Reasoned communication is no longer currency of thought with those who choose manipulation and deceit as the means to save their own – set in active denial of the lives of others. They are tools to the control agenda they accepted as their life – and that is what they are ‘offering’ as ‘life’; to be tooled to a loveless agenda set in ‘righteous hate’ signalling ‘virtue’.

Excellent observations. You are right, reasoned communication with this bunch of idiots is worthless they are on their own gravy train and they will soon fall off it because they are completely unable to grasp the wider economic picture.

I can understand why people no longer bother. Petition debates are suspended indefinitely and we have been told repeatedly that no degree of vaccination coverage will lead to the end of lockdown and other restrictive measures.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t bother – I signed. It still sends a message, even if it’s one that they don’t want to hear. Just noting that people are feeling pretty disillusioned with democratic processes, and with good reason.

They’re just having on. Also it’s also the height summer in Aus, let’s angry at beachgoers.

NSW Health on Twitter: “A headache is one of the symptoms of COVID-19. Even if you have mild symptoms get tested for COVID-19 immediately. A COVID-19 test is free, quick and easy. Most people in NSW receive their test result within 24 hours. To find your nearest clinic visit https://t.co/LmeATIQK4Z https://t.co/3AL0IKiFBN ” / Twitter

Love the responses

Flood warnings in my area. Danger to life. Thank goodness ‘Action Man’ Burnham is reminding us to observe covid rules while saving our posessions and lives. I feel reassured.

decisions!!! do you wear a mask or a snorkel???

Both!

Hobson’s choice!!

“Come up, Will Mossop!”
“bblllb blblblb blblbb, mibster ‘Obson bblb….”

Zitat aus dem Artikel zu der erwähnten Studie zu Langzeitschäden durch die Impfungen:

“Die Ergebnisse einer Studie von amerikanischen Wissenschaftlern, die jüngst im “International Journal of Clinical Practice” veröffentlicht wurde, ergaben, dass genügend Literatur zur Verfügung steht festzustellen, dass COVID-19-Impfstoffe das Risiko für schwerere Krankheiten erhöhen und dass die Empfänger vor der Impfung über alle Risiken informiert werden sollten – was offensichtlich nicht geschieht. Die Wissenschaftler kamen zu dem Schluss, dass Impfstoffe die COVID-19-Krankheit durch antikörper-abhängige Verstärker (antibody-dependent enhancement; ADE) verschlimmern können und dass diese Risiken in klinischen Studienprotokollen und Zustimmungsformularen geheim gehalten werden.

Durchgeführt wurde die Studie von Timothy Cardozo vom Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Pharmacology, NYU Langone Health, New York und von Ronald Veazey von der Division of Comparative Pathology, Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Tulane University School of Medicine, Tulane National Primate Research Center, Covington, Louisiana, durchgeführt.

Die Wissenschaftler überprüften veröffentlichte Literatur, um präklinische und klinische Evidenz zu identifizieren. Klinische Studienprotokolle für COVID-19-Impfstoffe wurden ebenfalls überprüft, um festzustellen, ob Risiken ordnungsgemäß offengelegt wurden. Dabei kamen die Wissenschaftler zu dem Schluss, dass Menschen, die COVID-19-Impfstoffe erhalten, ein höheres Risiko haben, schwerere Krankheiten zu bekommen als Diejenigen, die nicht geimpft sind. Die Studie kommt ferner zu dem Schluss, dass diese Tatsache in Protokollen und Zustimmungsformularen für klinische Studien geheim gehalten wird. Wörtlich heißt es:

“COVID-19-Impfstoffe, die neutralisierende Antikörper hervorrufen sollen, können Impfstoffempfänger für schwerere Krankheiten sensibilisieren, als wenn sie nicht geimpft wären. Impfstoffe gegen SARS, MERS und RSV wurden nie zugelassen, und die bei der Entwicklung und Erprobung dieser Impfstoffe gewonnenen Daten deuten auf ein ernsthaftes mechanistisches Problem hin:
Dass Impfstoffe, die empirisch nach dem traditionellen Ansatz entwickelt wurden (bestehend aus der unveränderten oder minimal modifizierten coronavirus-Virusspitze, um neutralisierende Antikörper hervorzurufen) und aus Protein, viralem Vektor, DNA oder RNA bestehen können unabhängig von der Verabreichungsmethode die COVID-19-Krankheit durch antikörperabhängige Verstärker (ADE) verschlimmert werden.
Dieses Risiko wird in protokollierten klinischen Studien und Zustimmungsformularen für laufende COVID-19-Impfstoffstudien derart verschleiert, dass ein angemessenes Verständnis des Patienten für dieses Risiko unwahrscheinlich ist, wodurch eine wirklich informierte Zustimmung der Probanden an diesen Studien verhindert wird.”

Die Wissenschaftler empfahlen daher, diese Risiken von ADE den zu Impfenden offenzulegen. Das könnte vielleicht auch erklären, warum vor allem das besser geschulte medizinische Personal bezüglich der COVID-19 Impfungen besonders skeptisch ist. Sie haben sicherlich einen Wissensvorsprung, welcher der Masse von Impf-Gläubigen fehlt.”

Study on huge ADE risk of the ‘vaccines’.