2021-01-22

Volunteers wanted… http://www.covid19assembly.org

Folks, organise yourself and your neighbourhood, and then your community. That’s what they don’t want you to do because it’ll harm them more than the displaced activity they want you to waste your time in.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

I didn’t think they were that desperate for volunteers – applied to them previously, still awaiting any response from my email in November.

Hi Stringfellow – sorry about that! We had a huge response to the last call for volunteers and have also been busy working on our site. We’re a small team so there were a few people we weren’t able to get back to. We’ll be reaching back out to everyone who contacted us last time shortly. (And just in case, if you’re still interested in helping out, feel free to email us again just in case we didn’t get your original email for some reason,)

I presume that a register is being compiled of local anti-Lockdown groups?? I’ve sent in an email adding ours if so – we are a West Wales local anti-Lockdown Facebook group.

Thanks Eliza – it is. We’ll be launching more content on our site soon and there will be tools and functionality to help people and groups organize. Stay tuned!

Where do I find you?

We’re at https://www.covid19assembly.org/ (If the question was for us. I’m not sure where ElizaP is if the question is for her

Eliza – I’ve looked for your group on Facebook using relevant terms and can’t find anything…Please post the link!

Are they likely to be infiltrated though, and are any precautions necessary? that’s what worries me ( and we all know, I presume the horror stories that have happened to other sorts of campaign group). I don’t want to risk making any trouble for my anti-lockdown friends…

AAAAARRRGH quick look at the headline and I might not be able to come back to the UK – again!!!

Also 2nd today

A rush for the podium again!

But – they are saying new vaccines will be necessary, current vaccines may be less effective/ineffective against already existing variants – could it be that they are slowly moving towards what some have said for a while – that you can’t beat a coronavirus with vaccines?

Biden Inauguration a DISASTER as Steve Bannon Predicts Trump will WIN in 2024!!!

Three times as many people watched Trump’s departure speech than watch Biden Inauguration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfRzF6jF3o

Dr. Steve Turle

Peking Bidden

Joseph Stealin

very good!

Attendance at rallies is meaningless otherwise Michael Foot would have won in 1983 & Corbyn in 2017 & 2019.

Clearly Foot and Corbyn weren’t in charge of the vote counts….

I looked at the right hand bar on youtube and there was one video for Biden’s inauguration, the other for Trump’s departure speech. The count was 200,000 for Biden, 5,000,000 for Trump.

Lockdown Stories: We lost everything | 21-Jan-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWnR296tNPo&list=WL&index=44

A talkRADIO listener has shared his story of how the lockdown restrictions have impacted him and his family, and what he has done to try and turn his life around.

Rory Green started 2020 with a new job and a “miracle baby” on the way, but once first lockdown was imposed he could not start work and was forced onto Universal Credit. His wife also lost work as a speech and language therapist. The couple also lost their unborn child: “We lost pretty much everything… It was a rough start to the year.”

While grieving for that loss, his step-sister, an NHS doctor, committed suicide.

“It had a lot of impact on my mental health. I struggled with suicidal thoughts. I’m an upbeat guy, but I got to a point in my life where I had to make a decision… I need to do something about this. Either goes into destruction or into life.”

Rory setup Enlighten the Shadows, a YouTube channel to help men cope with mental health issues.

What a shame that mouthy that piss Morgan does not have this on his show. Would he tell him to man up and take one for the team?

But you can sure make a tonne of money, especially if it’s an annual one.

No. They’re moving towards permanent restrictions and lockdowns.

oh dear. let’s hope the restrictions don’t include on elections or it really might be time for something else

Guaranteed. It’s so much easier to cheat during mail in voting

Got to be one of our goals – an end to mass mail in voting, and an end to the involvement of big tech in elections. Make it simple cross on a piece of paper

THAT is a great reset I can live with!

PUBS Great Reset, Wetherspoons Buys Up ‘Broke’ Pubs / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22T2cTBkrEw&list=WL&index=41

That has nothing to do with a “Great Reset” – it’s very much the old Wetherspoons normal.

Yeah, common sense and a “can do” attitude.
With thanks to Richard Tice (Reform UK) for quote.

In this instance, it’s just a slogan,or maybe getting us used to a Great Reset, which is what this all appears to be.

Apologies for using this comment of Yours, but there are so many comments that I am glad I found this one. I am using “Multipolar Magazin” and they had this on their Telegram channel:

https://2020news.de/bestatter-spricht-tacheles-wo-corona-drauf-steht-ist-oft-nicht-corona-drin/

Maybe You could translate it? You might be faster than me…
But it is a pretty disturbing revelation – considering the suffering and pain the Merkel regime has been and still is creating.

Woman’s severe reaction to Pfizer COVID vaccine prompts investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf6NDIiE3Tw&list=WL&index=40

Fears over the vaccine’s safety were prompted by a video of a woman suffering convulsions after receiving a Pfizer coronavirus jab in Louisiana. In an exclusive interview with RT, Brant Griner, son of the affected person, says that she hadn’t experienced any health issues before taking the shot, and added that the response he’d received to his video about it suggests his mum’s case isn’t a one-off.

My friend was telling me that his brother, long time HGV driver until well into his 70’s had blacked out at the wheel of his car. He has been told that he has an underlying heart condition, that has never been detected. To drive a HGV in later life you need regular check ups. I found it strange as he is not overweight and has been pretty fit all his life. I asked if he had had the vaccine. Apparently he had.

I had some bad news yesterday, my best friends Mum in hospital with a bleed on the brain and is not expected to survive the weekend. Okay she is 87 and things happen but she did have the Pfizer vaccine on New years Eve.

Like I said, looks like people who don’t take the vaccine(s) won’t be able to travel where they want any time soon. (“Indefinite travel restrictions).

With the WHO acknowledging the high false positive rate of PCR tests, I’m wondering if the wheels are about to fall off this bitch. It might not ever come to travel restrictions.

Besides, whatever delusions the politicians have, they don’t own the country, or the people in it.

Correct.

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

Oh but they do.
They own all of us.
Especially if the majority are clamouring to be treated like slaves.

Yes, which is one of the most puzzling aspects of all this.

I used to think we had rights…

I think most DT moron commentators who support the hotel quarantines are firmly convinced that it’ll only be for furreinas.
As with Brexit, they’ll be in for a surprise.

Much that should worry us if nobody is allowed to travel. Except, of course, illegal immigrants on rafts.

I don’t understand why any of those illegal immigrants would now want to risk everything to come to a dystopian hell hole like this

You get free food, free housing, free everything. It’s a comfortable dystopian hellhole.

I see increasing numbers of Brits welcoming the immigrants and hopping in their boats, rowing a mile out to sea and then coming back pretending to be immigrants.

Their alternatives are even worse poor bastards so they risk death and slavery if they make it.

In France?

Haha exactly! They could have stopped in any of the 12 countries they passed through to the get to the UK.

I was thinking of the ones who have mortgaged their lives for a package deal from sub Saharan Africa or similar. Doesn’t really apply to Channel hoppers I tend to agree.

I believe France is under-populated too? That’s off the top of my head – without going off to check figures on that. But, as we know, we are VERY overpopulated.

France is underpopulated, we are underpopulated. Overpopulation is a myth of the eugenicists and malthusians. Our problems are localised and due to bad government. Same as Ethiopia in the 1980’s wasn’t due to overpopulation (and by the way, quite a lot of that live aid money didn’t get to the starving people from what I heard).

They’re the wealthier people from the countries they travel from. The poor bastards are the ones who stay behind to pick up the pieces of a broken country, destroyed usually by our military force under the pretence of a tyrannical leader.

Ah yes. Takes me back to the days when our politicians and media used their awful lies to ruin and murder people over-seas, far away from ourselves.

I was thinking of those mortgaging their futures to traffickers and gang masters rather than the ‘yacht people’.

We could be the asset-stripped masses in a broken country under a tyrannical leader ourselves in the not too distant future if the full plan goes ahead

Is there really any alternative?

There is no
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And the vast majority of them are young men. Very few women.
Our local illegals’ home from home (exclusively for young men) is apparently going to close, after about four months.It isn’t fit for immigrants to live in, though it was fine for squaddies in former days.
The problem seems to be that the loos have got blocked. Appalling crisis. So everybody moves out.

Because continental Europe is even worse of a hell hole than the UK?

Because most continental countries (unlike the UK) have compulsory ID cards, which make it far more difficult to work illegally without being caught.

“Paris est une ville sale”

Perhaps Camus had a point

Illegal immigrants come here because (unlike continental European countries) we don’t have compulsory ID cards, which means it’s a lot easier to work illegally here than in mainland Europe without being caught and deported.

Plus there’s the fact that English is now the world’s second language…

Is that why there are 10,000 plus slaves in Britain?

Looks like people who DO take the vaccine (s) won’t be able to travel anywhere either.

Yip, Talk Radio asked the government, ‘If I have had the vaccine, travel abroad and then come back in to the country, do I have to isolate?’ Yes was the answer!!

So, what is this magic water for then? Doesn’t stop you from getting it, doesn’t stop you from dying of it. Am I missing something or is it just snake oil, that millions of people have bough in to under the lie that things will go back to normal. When, it is quite plain that they won’t.

It’s the Covid21 carrier that will force the next lockdown by assigning the illnesses it causes to a ‘new strain’ – it’s in the plan

“So, what is this magic water for then?”

It is solely to enrich the bottom line of Big Pharma, the CEOs and their bought-paid-for placemen in regulatory/government agencies.

Love these reboots…

His film, Demolition Man, shows a future where ultra-clean, ultra sensitive people live above ground in a police state and below ground is the people who want to live normal free lives.

I was thinking about other films which strike a scary cored for what we’re experiencing. John Carpenter’s The Thing revolves around an alien that clones its human victims. But it’s the way the characters are forced to become hyper paranoid about one-another that really sticks out. The part when they’re all tied down and being tested to see who’s the alien makes me think of the rabid obsession with testing for C19.

Other Carpenter movies like They Live and Escape New York both have alarming similarities with our current and developing predicament.

I haven’t watched the film Rollerball (1975) since its release but I recall what an impact it made on me. A lot of people, even today, regard it as simply a very graphic depiction of violent sport in a futuristic era; apart from the blood and gore, almost comic book. But I remember that, even though I was a relatively young age, I saw it for the allegorical messages it was conveying: one man’s fight against the controlling, manipulative and ruthless power of big corporations.

For me the movies that most align with our current situation are:

• 12 Monkeys (obvious choice); particularly near the end when Bruce Willis’ character says “This part isn’t about the virus at all, is it? It’s about following orders. About doing what you’re told”
• V For Vendetta; a virus (a bio weapon in fact) is used to destroy society and provide the pretext for a totalitarian regime.
• Children Of Men; it’s never made explicit why the women of the world became infertile, but there’s a blink and you’ll miss it reference to a ‘flu pandemic’ in 2008, which is shortly before worldwide infertility began occurring. Not too much of an imaginative leap to think that maybe a flu vaccine was the cause…

One unerrated B movie is Virtual Nightmare, The Island and Logan’s Run natch..

Underrated indeed!

All can be filed under ‘Predictive Programming’.

Yep, if you want to wallow in lockdownism (as I kinda do) a few things to go at on Netflix:
Demolition Man
To The Lake
Falling Down
…for a kick off

is that the one with rat burgers?

A district judge in Weimar has acquitted a man ordered to pay a fine for breaching the Covid contact ban. Detailed report here, with my translation to follow.

https://2020news.de/amtsrichter-in-weimar-corona-vo-verfassungswidrig/

A district judge in Weimar has acquitted a man ordered to pay a fine for breaching the Covid contact ban by celebrating his birthday with at least seven other participants from a total of eight households – six guests too many, according to the Thuringia Covid regulation. The judge’s verdict is damning: the Covid regulation is in breach of the constitution and can be appealed against in material law.

This is the first time a judge has engaged intensively with the medical facts, economic consequences and effects of specific policies.

Part of the Rechtstaat Principle [the principle of the state acting in accordance with the rule of law, NN] is the imperative of precision in legislation. Laws cannot simply impose across-the-board regulations, thereby affording authorities licence to act according to whim, which would amount to arbitrary rule.
According to the Federal Infection Protection Act, the “relevant authorities” are to impose “the requisite safety measures”. In normal times, this means that spreaders or persons suspected of spreading an infection may be isolated or contaminated areas closed off. The IPA does not envisage a general ban on contact also extending to healthy people. However – and this is the interpretation made by many administrative courts so far – it may be permissible to go beyond the purview of the IPA in the case of an “unprecedented event” that was so new that the legislator would have been unable to pass the necessary regulations in advance.

The judge rejects this pretext. As early as 2013, the Bundestag had access to a risk analysis conducted with the participation of the Robert Koch Institute, concerning a pandemic caused by a “SARS-type virus”, which described a scenario of 7.5 million (!) dead in Germany over a period of three years, and discussed anti-epidemic measures during such a pandemic (Bundestag publication 17/12051). The legislator was therefore able, in regard to such an event that was considered at least “conditionally probable” (occurrence probability class C), to study the provisions of the IPA and if necessary adjust them. This political failure, as a result of which Germany went into the pandemic virtually unprepared – without legal instruments governing control of the virus, without stocks of masks, PPE and medical equipment – cannot now lead to politicians’ simply closing a gap in legislation as they see fit. Particularly given that an epidemic situation, i.e. the basis for the expansion of the routine infection protection provisions, simply does not exist (or no longer exists). The numbers of those infected and showing symptoms were already falling in the spring. The lockdown thus came late and was generally ineffective.

At no time, therefore, has there been a concrete danger of the health service‘s being overwhelmed by a „wave“ of COVID-19 patients. As can be seen from the DIVI ICU register newly established on March 17, 2020, an average of at least 40% ICU beds in Germany were free at all times. In Thuringia, 378 beds were registered occupied on April 3, 36 of these with COVID-19 patients. Meanwhile there were 417 (!) beds vacant. On April 16, two days before the issuance of the regulation, 501 beds were registered occupied, 56 with COVID-19 patients, and 528 (!) beds were vacant … The Thuringia registered its highest number of notified COVID-19 patients in spring at 63 (on April 28). Thus, at no time did the number of COVID-19 patients reach a level that could have justified fears of the healthcare system’s being overwhelmed.

This estimate of the actual dangers from COVID-19 in the spring of 2020 is confirmed by an evaluation of settlement data from 421 clinics belonging to Initiative Qualitätsmedizin, which found that the number of SARI cases (severe acute respiratory infection) treated as in-patients in Germany in the first half of 2020 was 187,174 – lower (!) than the figure for the first half of 2019 (221,841 cases), even though this figure included those SARI cases caused by COVID. The same analysis showed the numbers of ICU and respirator cases lower in the first half of 2020 than in 2019.

Mortality statistics show a similar picture. According to a special evaluation by the Federal Office of Statistics, 484,429 people died in Germany in the first half of 2020, compared to 479,415 in the first half of 2019, 501,391 in 2018, 488,147 in 2017 and 461,055 in 2016. 2017 and 2018 thus produced more deaths in the first half of the year than 2020.

[…]

The terrifying forecasts that exerted a crucial influence on lockdown in the spring were also based on false assessments of the lethality of the virus (infection fatality rate, IFR) and of existing or absent basic immunity to the virus in the population. According to a metastudy by the medical scientist and statistician John Ioannidis (one of the most-cited scientists in the world) that was published in a WHO bulletin in October, the median IFR is 0.27%, corrected to 0.23 %, and thus no higher than in a moderately severe influenza epidemic.

The judge concluded that there were no “unacceptable gaps in protection” that could have justified recourse to across-the-board regulations. These measures therefore “violate human dignity guaranteed inviolable” in Article 1, Paragraph 1 of the Federal Constitution. This is a devastating accusation against the Federal Government. It is striking how coldly the Weimar judge concluded this months-long discussion:

“A general ban on contacts is a severe intervention in civic rights. It is among the fundamental liberties of the individual in a free society to determine for himself or herself with whom (on presumption of consent) and under what circumstances he or she will make contact. Free encounter among people for all imaginable purposes is also a fundamental basis for society. The obligation of the state here is categorically to refrain from all intervention that purposefully regulates and limits this. Questions of how many people a citizen may invite to his home or how many people a citizen may meet in a public place to go for a walk, play sports, shop or sit on a park bench are categorically of no legitimate interest to the state.”

In imposing a general ban on contact, the state – albeit with good intentions – attacks the foundations of society by imposing physical distance between citizens (‘social distancing’). No one, even in January 2020, could have imagined, in Germany, being prevented by the state on pain of a fine from inviting their parents to their own home without banishing other family members from the house for the time they were there. No one could have imagined being forbidden to sit with three friends on a park bench. Never before in Germany [!!!!!!!!!!!! – NN] has the state come up with the idea of imposing such measures to counter an epidemic. Even the risk analysis ‘Pandemic caused by SARS-type virus’ (Bundestag publication 17/12051), which described a scenario of 7.5 million dead, does not consider a general ban on contacts (or bans on leaving the home or the general suspension of public life). Apart from the quarantining and segregation of infected individuals, the only anti-epidemic measures it discusses are school closures, the cancellation of mass events and the issue of hygiene recommendations (BT 17/12051, p. 61f).”

Much of the public has now almost come to terms with the new normal. However, as the judge points out, the life that was previously considered ‘normal’ has now been reinterpreted as a crime. “Although it appears that a shift in values has taken place over the months of the Covid crisis, with the consequence that many people find procedures that were formerly considered absolutely exceptional more or less ‘normal’ – which of course also alters perspectives on the constitution – there should be no doubt that by imposing a general ban on contacts, the democratic Rechsstaat [state under the rule of law, NN] has broken what was previously seen as a self-evident taboo.

“It must also be noted – as an aspect worthy of special consideration – that the state, in imposing its general ban on contacts with the aim of protection against infection, treats every citizen as a potential threat to the health of third parties. If every citizen is seen as a threat from which others must be protected, that citizen is also robbed of the possibility of deciding what risks to take – which is a fundamental freedom. A citizen’s choice of visiting a cafe or a bar in the evening and running the risk of a respiratory infection for the sake of social interaction and pleasure in life, or of exercising caution because she has a weakened immune system and therefore prefers to stay at home, is removed under the provisions of a general ban on contacts.“

The district judge undertakes meticulous examination of studies showing how ineffective the general ban on contacts is. He weighs the limitations on freedom against the fact that protection has been neglected in care homes, while the less seriously threatened population is no longer allowed into the streets.

[…]

The judge also considers the collateral damage of the lockdown rulings, which is now becoming ever more massively apparent.
1. Profit setbacks, losses incurred by businesses, traders and freelance professionals as direct consequences of the restrictions imposed on their liberties;
2. Profit setbacks, losses incurred by businesses, traders and freelance professionals as indirect consequences of lockdown measures (e.g. losses to suppliers of directly-affected businesses; losses resulting from the breakdown of supply chains leading, for example, to production stops; losses resulting from travel restrictions) ;
3. Wage and salary losses from curtailed hours or unemployment
4. Bankruptcies and destruction of livelihood
5. Consequential costs of bankruptcies and destruction of livelihood

The data basis of the analysis comes from an expert opinion by Prof. Murswiek. During the summer, he criticised the March lockdown for having been, in part, inconsistent with the constitution. General bans on assembly he also considered irreconcilable with the Federal Constitution. Above all, though, he accused the federal government of having made decisions without verifiable bodies of facts and of having failed to present a cost-benefit analysis.

Devastating consequences of Covid policies

“Most of this damage can be ascertained in reasonable detail. Seen as a whole, it is certainly gigantic. An idea of the scale of the damage can be obtained by considering the sums of money poured by the state into the economy as Covid aid. The ‘Corona Protective Shield’ ordered by the government, for example, included EUR 353.3 billion in subsidies and a further EUR 819.7 billion in guarantees – over a trillion Euros in total. As the federal government itself said, this is the largest aid package in the history of Germany. The federal states are also receiving aid. Because state aid is mostly in the form of credits or credit guarantees, it does not necessarily equate to high losses to the private economy. But private losses will in any case dwarf state compensation or aid paid as lost subsidies.

“Never before in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany have economic losses of this order been caused by a government decision. As for the estimation of damage to the private economy and private households, it must be borne in mind that some losses have been or will be compensated by the state. So state activity mitigates the economic damage to private economic subjects. But it does not mitigate the overall damage to the national economy, because it puts a burden on the public purse, and thus ultimately on the taxpayer. These costs must not be swept under the carpet in assessing the negative effects of lockdown.”

The judge lists and provides evidence for the following further consequences:

1. The increase in domestic violence against women and children.
2. The increase in depression arising from social isolation, fear psychoses, fear pathologies arising from Covid
3. Anxiety and other psychological disturbances and nervous exhaustion arising from family, personal and professional problems caused by lockdown
4. The increase in suicides, causes including unemployment and insolvency
5. Health impact caused by lack of mobility
6. Cancellation of operations and in-patient treatment because hospital beds are reserved for covid patients
7. Cancellation of operations, in-patient treatments, doctor visits because patients fear catching Covid-19.

The judge’s summing-up packs a punch. In another point, he also refers to the damage being done in many southern countries that are economically dependent on Germany:

“In the light of all this, there can be no doubt that the number of deaths attributable to the measures of lockdown policy will far exceed the number of deaths prevented by lockdown. For this reason alone, the norms I scrutinise today do not meet the requirement of proportionality. Added to this are the direct and indirect limitations on freedom, the gigantic financial damage, the immense damage to health and mentalities. The word ‘disproportionate’ is too pale even to suggest the dimensions of these events. The policy of lockdown, the key component of which is the general ban on contacts, which the state government [of Thuringia] pursued last spring, and again now, is a catastrophic political error with dramatic consequences for virtually all spheres of human life, society, the state and the countries of the global south.”

Thank you! Made my day!

A judge with integrity.,The one righteous person.

Soon to come down with a fatal dose of covid, too late to be protected by a vaccine?

Covidicided with two vaccine shots to the back of the head.

The policy of lockdown…is a catastrophic political error with dramatic consequences

Something that ought to be obvious to any rational person.

It’ll end up making the 30’s look tame if we don’t look out

It is obvious to any rational person.

Thank you NN, my German no longer (if ever) up to it. Should be read by all, particularly odious lickspittles and running dogs like Neil O’Brien (MP!).

MP in his case stands for Massive Prat.

A NOB MP

Wow thanks for that NN. Some good news at last

Interesting that a German court takes this view, which appears to have been rejected in the UK system. (Incredibly, the Dolan judge got his info from the BBC – downright lazy, at the very best.)

But what’s especially interesting is how this. ruling might appertain to the case being headed by Reiner Fuellmich et al against Drosten and the PCR tests. Highly encouraging I would say.

The pressure is building.

UN changed the PCR rules, I reckon as a direct result of the threat of legal action against them as individuals.

Surely you mean the WHO, an organisation with no connection to the UN, other tapping it as a source of funding.

Great post and interesting that this judge has taken a nuanced view of the collateral damage that lockdown has caused.

Meanwhile here in the UK……

ZZZZZZZZZZZ…….

The UK doesn’t have a constitution in the same way.

An act of parliament passed with a simple majority can in effect cancel any right or freedom.

In many European countries fines are uncollectible because the covid laws are ultimately in breach of constitutions which stand above the regulations and protect rights.

The UK is not the free country everyone assumed.

And the much-vaunted “unwritten constitution” proves not to be worth the paper it isn’t written on.

We have the wonderful Human Rights Act. But it seems it can be selelectively set aside by the Establishment so it is worthless, in fact worse than useless.

My hero poster of the day!

Sorry, I replied to part one before I read the other parts. I ejaculated a bit prematurely but I was very excited! This is the first good news for God knows how long! My points still stand but add to them the diligence and moral fortitude of this judge. Do I dare to see a light at the end of the tunnel?

Thank you so much for writing such a long post and doing the translation (with the help of the internet.)
I came across this in a comment on a YT video.
Hopefully this will be widely distributed and picked up by AM in Germany.

Thank you. I should point out that I am a professional translator, so I didn’t need to make use of online translation tools, which don’t really get to the heart of texts like these anyway.

Vielen Dank! When I first read the article about this judgement in German, it created a moment of elation – so important in this time of obvious deceit and Merkelation, eh, manipulation. What a degenerate person she is. May she share Mussolini’s fate for the devastation she is still reaking on the population with the support of the ‘greens’.

More good news (in German – but soon everywhere!):

WHO ends the pandemic:

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/who_beendet_epidemische_lage_von_nationaler_tragweite

That one is about the WHO suddenly deciding that PCR tests need to be verified, which is obviously important and welcome, but the headline that says it’s the WHO declaring the pandemic over is a bit overexcited, unfortunately.

It must have been wishful interpretation on my part. Apologies. But personal history shows that I might just be a bit ahead of the actual event.

On a second note, I visited the WHO website and to my amazement, the whole thing is soooo important and dramatic and tragic and dangerous – that the last update is from January 6th. What the actual one!

SAGE ceased referring to a pandemic at their meeting 30 April 2020. Since then they only talk about an epidemic. So clearly SAGE regarded the pandemic as being essentially over by 30 April 2020.

Q: If there is no longer a pandemic, what are implications for emergency acceptance of ‘vaccines’?

Brilliant! This is possibly the result of 2 things, I think. Firstly, Germany has a written constitution and the “Grund Gesetz” – basic law – trumps everything and secondly a system of medicine run by insurance companies (making a profit, I presume!) using up to date statistical analysis, as insurance companies are want to do.

Reading your translation has made my day. Thank you for taking the time.

Got to be Post of the Day I would say. Many thanks.

The Inquisition have just released their Codex of Obfuscation and Character Assasination. Self appointed prime inquisitors include Sam Bowman and Neil O’Brien. They claim that it was written in their spare time as if it’s just for a bit of fun. I only had time to skim the first chapter – “99.5% survive Covid” and seems to be a lot of waffle to detract from the facts, a bit like a bad salesman might do when selling a turd. In this chapter they try to say that the IFR is different depending on what kind of spin they want to put on it. “The IFR is kept low because the disease is being suppressed” if it wasn’t they say then more people would die due to overflowing hospitals and result in a higher IFR. There’s a few other fudges they describe to try to show that the IFR might be worse than claimed. No mention of course that the IFR is calculated and published by official organisations.

I’m going to presume I’ll find the rest of the chapters full of much the same misdirection.

The true purpose of the Codex I believe is the kangaroo court trial of people they term Covid Sceptics. Each named defendent has been found guilty in absentia and a section on each lists claims that may have turned out to be incorrect (I’ve not looked yet). To quote “We try to use their own words to show that many of them are not reliable people to listen to.”

There may well be some claim for defamation here but I’ve not looked and am not an expert in legal matters.

I’m sure the named individuals (includes Toby) may want to take a good look at it.

https://www.covidfaq.co/

Natural,y, people such as the Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford are not reliable persons to listen to. Go to your local witch doctor instead.

I still find it incomprehensible that Oxford professors should be treated as fake news conspiracy theorists who should be no platformed and have their comments banned from social media. Crazy – even if I am biased.

Especially by the likes of Neil O’Brien, career politician with a PPE (not exactly the scientific background to challenge S. Gupta).

I also find it strange that so many politicians who have studied economics can still set about apparently bankrupting the country (and also gloss over the devastating economic consequences in the third world). Do any of them have a degree in (of?) common sense? from the university of Real Life?

They’re getting something out of it, fame, power, money or all of the above

I have long considered that politicians ought to be forced to live in an o flat among ordinary hard working people. Possibly in Barnsley (or Otley). Maybe they would think twice about their mad power trips then, instead of their stuffing bubbles of group think among a self serving class of political ideologues – or is it just me?

I have been reading the site. They really are shameless propagandists. For example, one page is devoted to the sceptics’ claim that the vaccines have been rushed. They deny this, at length, pretending the denial is a refutation. But the pretend refutation does not even acknowledge that the vaccines are still in the trial stage and have not been licensed. These are people who would say black is white, if it suited them.

It does suit them. They are saying it.And the zombies believe them. And two and two do make five.

That is actually dangerous misinformation.
I wonder whether they can be charged for it.

Apparently they have redefined misinformation, and it no longer means inaccurate information, but accurate information that the establishment do not want people to know.

The IFR is low because it is being suppressed? Utter nonsense. What is the point in having an IFR for anything if some unmeasureable action is having a significant impact on it? They are working from the assumption that an official IFR is simply deaths per infection. If that was the case, we wouldn’t need a Professor to work through it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v3.article-info

Its funny how if you are writing to praise lockdown and there effectiveness you are fine. No matter how illogical or with no qualifications to talk on the subject. Or the fact that you are a fucking know nothing mong. But Toby writes a balanced piece using actual scientific data about t-cell immunity and this gets pulled. Can’t one of you bods with a degree challenge the truth in this and the inaccuracy of the data with the same body that pulled Toby’s article? Ipso?

Theme tunes suggested – “Please Release Me”.

I remember it from that Peter Kay John Smith’s advert – one of my favourite’s.

Live music, pubs, bingo nights – those were the days. Clickety click!

Its an Engleburt Humperdink song innit? (can’t wait to see what spell check makes of that, apologies if I spelt the great man’s name wrong)

it is. I think I have the LP somewhere. (I suspect you did spell it wrong!)

https://thecritic.co.uk/shutting-up-the-unspeakable-is-still-a-bad-idea/

From The Critic
The eager wait for the promised jab, is starting to resemble the mediaeval sale of indulgences, so effectively denounced by Martin Luther.

Rewards await those who join the legions of the safely jabbed.

An unquestioning belief in vaccine salvation seems to be implicit in the maintenance of lockdown adherence, while heretics – sceptics- are now increasingly derided and dismissed in the media.(See the article linked above.)

Try as I might, I’m struggling to withstand the creeping apathy ,despite my sporadic bursts of anger and dismay.

For many months I’ve observed the disappearance of wisdom, integrity, judgement, rationality , maturity and level headedness from our shouty, censorious, risk averse society.

Added to this, the control creep of the SNP cult and its divisive list of grievances which now dominate this run down , locked down dystopia.

Ghost Town indeed.

Many groups in the past have been vilified, derided and persecuted for speaking the truth. It’s not surprising if they are dismayed and even recant.
But the truth is the truth. The sun does NOT go round the earth. Disease is NOT caused by a miasma. There is NO SUCH THING as ‘the ether’. Species are NOT immutable.The earth is NOT 4000+plus years old. Covid is NOT the greatest scourge ever visited on mankind.
If we are speaking the truth, no traducing on their side and no recanting on theirs will make THE SLIGHTEST DIFFERENCE.
Stick with the truth and shame the Devil. He needs a lot of shaming just now.

Quite right Annie. Social stifling is being enforced by the Covid Inquisitors.

Proportionality has lost its place in governance and social life.

And I will never recant.

Well said wendyk and Annie!

We will have to keep on hammering on as the Truth shall prevail!

“truth – what is that?”

all these years latr, the question is still being debated!

The earth us round? What! Ooh no this can’t be right. Mind you they did burn that poor bugger for for his astronomical observations.

If Galileo was alive today, Big Tech would have banned him for his findings.

he was condemned for offering insufficient proof, as I recall

Truth and lies have one thing in common – they are truth or lies no matter who says them.

Truth and lies have one major distinction – truth stands up to scrutiny. Lies require censorship, demonisation, torture etc to shield them.

Why are people in Britain so afraid? This seems one of the major questions we have to answer relating to the current shambles. There is the propaganda, yes, pushed by vested interests, but I believe there are cultural reasons. People need to find their courage if they are to avoid this sort of thing in the future (“down with this sort of thing). Theree are courageous groups of people out there – what do they have in common? And which groups are cowering.

I think of that film, Dusk ‘Til Dawn , wher the preacher has to decide to be a “mean mmm…. man of God”. What can bring people to a similar resolve? what has gone wrong? what can turn this around? I want answers, and I want them yesterdie!

G’night!

They are afraid of Death. Nothing in their upbringing and education has equipped them to deal with this ultimate fact of life. Which has made them unable to deal with life itself.
Living is the only cure. If you stop living, as the zombies have, there’s nothing left but death and the fear of it.
There’s a novel, ostensibly for children but worth anybody’s reading, called The Farthest Shore , by Ursula K. Le Guin. It’s set in an invented world, but it is realistic at the core. It’s about a magician who offers people an escape from death, but as a consequence they lose all pleasure in life and sink into hopeless passivity. Sound familiar?

https://hekint.org/2020/12/15/gulliver-at-luggnagg-learning-about-the-immortal-struldbrugs-abridged/

The new Struldbrugs are here; longevity at the expense of life as it should be lived.

I’ve always looked forward to death. Not that I want to end things, but I am excited in a way to find out what the big fuss is all about.

Alan Watts has a good way of putting it. Do you rmemeber before you were born? No? Well, that’s what it’s like to die. You won’t remember this life. You’ll go back to wherever it was you came. To the beginning of the universe, because it was you who did that, only you.

https://youtu.be/5UjkPDG-SH4

“I’m not afraid of death; I just don’t want to be there when it happens.” ― Woody Allen

I’ll echo that Annie – the sudden realisation (thanks to the weapons-grade fear spewed out by HMG) that we are mortal has shaken many to the core. In times past organised religion provided an emotional security blanket against the fact that we all must die at some point. But as religion (Christianity at least) has declined in the west so replacement security blanket has come along. I’m not a religious man, but I do acknowledge the role religion formerly played in blunting the sting of death.

So, most of the time most people don’t even think about their own mortality, but when forced to confront it they start behaving like children desperate to avoid some awful punishment. They start demanding that someone – anyone – save them from the man with the scythe. But no one can confer immortality on humanity, especially not those governments – like our own – who give the impression that they can.

The problem we sceptics face is that we’re adults in a world of children, outnumbered hundreds, if not thousands or tens of thousands, to one. The true believers in the cult of Covid may *appear* to be adults – they work, pay taxes, have kids – but they fail what I like to call Ed’s Test of Adulthood (might just copyright that ;-). ). This test has three criteria – all of which you must meet to be an adult:

1. Acceptance of your own mortality. Your time here is finite and non-negotiable. Therefore you have an obligation to live the best life you can, which you can do by creating the most happiness and causing the least harm possible.
2. Acceptance of responsibility for steering your own course. You’re an adult, do not look to others to be told what to do. Make your own decisions. Which leads us on to…
3. Acceptance of accountability for the outcomes of your choices. They were your choices after all, do not seek to blame others for your mistakes.

In my experience very few meet all three criteria, and thus *real* adults are as rare as hens teeth. In my immediate circle only my wife, an old friend and my good self can tick all three boxes. Which is why I find this forum so refreshing – in. this place I’m surrounded by real adults, and mature discussion happens all the time.

I think its narcissism and a massive sense of entitlement. I deserve to live at all costs because I’m worth it! People have forgotten that death is a part of life and its the quality NOT quantity of life that matters.

Absolutely – all these people there cowering in fear are totally ignoring the rights of the rest of us to get on with our lives as normal. Apparently they are the only ones that count – in their opinion. Now that’s what I call selfish – and shortsighted.

better to live well than live long. You’re right, this is such a narcissistic society we live in. From my point of view, it is a case of “do what you want” rather than “do what is right” driving too many people.

I have a theory based on anecdotal observation.

In general I see that people who are involved in physical labour of some sort tend to be more skeptic.

My sense, is that as our lives become ever more absorbed by the digital realm, we lose touch with the physical word and therefore the reality of the physical world.

If you are out and about in the world doing physical things any sense of danger evaporates. You can see and feel that there isn’t danger really. \

If you lock yourself at home and sit in front of a computer or TV you are essentially locked up inside your head where your sense of danger is more likely to increase (unless you are on here in which case your sense of anger is what increases).

So really, lockdowns are self-perpetuating. The more you do them, the more necessary people think they are.

You make a good point. Social media has brought narcissism to the fore. Just look at Piers Morgan – he thinks he’s a God.

True. We had a look at our old holiday photos. Mostly of places with the occasional pictures with Mrs D and me or one of us in front of a landmark or nice view. My daughter had to change her phone and she was clearing down her photos. I would say 95% of the shots were of her in selfie mode with all the background smashed out. Our last cruise to the Med we were entering Venice. One of the most glorious views in the world. A city on the sea. Two very pretty girls were taking photos of each other at the front of the ship. Mostly selfies so no background or pouty sideways ass out shots taken low to make their legs look thin and taken quite close. The point is not once did they point their cameras at one of the wonders of the world or used it as a backdrop to their shots.

Yes, which is why I have mixed feelings about up ticks and down ticks

There may be some truth to what you say but may be a little generalised. I’m an IT network Engineer, so don’t do physical labour, unless I’m carrying a server somewhere. I’m a sceptic, so are all my colleagues and my wife, who is a pharmacist. So myself, my colleagues and wife don’t fall in to the physical labour model. However in a former life I served in the Army (Infantry) for six years in the late 80s early 90s. I know a hell of a lot about risk having walked the streets of Belfast during the troubles. The only thing that scares me is my wife dying, however we both have no fear of death; we are not religious, so don’t believe we are going to better place.

I have never once worried about the covid, the only thing I worried about at the beginning of this was the response by the government and the public. I said to my colleagues ‘The only thing we have to fear from covid, is fear itself’. How true these words have become!

There are many reasons why people are fearful of this so called pandemic. We live in a very narcissistic society, constant media pushing their scary agenda 24/7 with people addicted to it. Social Media, Woke snowflakes, a comfortable spoilt society, Health & Safety telling everyone they will die for the last thirty years, a very ignorant society, lack of critical thinking, etc, etc. Put all these together and it is easy to see why the weak minded are terrified.

That story about a coast guard being told off by his bosses after rescuing a girl stuck on a cliff because he had broken health and safety procedures to do so, and he subsequently resigned – if I didn’t know before that something was seriously wrong in the country, I did after that.

Incidentally, we are being asked to do pretty much the same thing again – sacrifice the welfare of the young in the interests of health and safety – shameful!

Spot on! My expert, self employed plumber has just finished repairing a radiator; no mask, cheerful, down to earth, sensible and thoroughly reliable.

The young window cleaners-2 brothers- who called earlier this week, are the same: they’ve both had a dose of the lurgy,as have their parents, but no fuss, no masks, cheerful and reliable.

These people run their own businesses, so cannot afford to indulge in lockdown hysteria.

They possess a work ethic and common sense which seems to have passed by our affluent politicians, advisors and media motor mouths.

Ah. Which brings us back to my theory that people who do the more difficult mountain climbs and other activities with a genuine element of risk are likely to have a better sense of risk assessment and therefore can put the risk from a virus in its proper place

I think that the majority of people are not so much afraid of the virus as of being thought badly of, or targeted and vilified or even ostracized by their fellows if they don’t follow the rules or say the right things. It’s an extension of Political Correctness. Going along to get along.

It’s the village mentality – the fear of being shamed and ostracised if you go against the grain.

The Japanese have a saying for that – the nail that sticks out will get hammered.

The Danish Law of Jante is similar: no-one is better than the group; you’re not special; you’re not more important than anyone else. I think this – by different names – applies across Scandinavia.

Yep. Same across Asia too, in the Philippines if you’re a non-conformist you get laughed at and constantly told that you’re getting above yourself.

“Going Western” is a form of insult there.

Ah – so not being afraid to take an unpopular (but correct) view is a common denominator.

The section atl about the pandemic plan that the government chucked in the bin, coupled with the witch hunting article shows us that this isn’t ending anytime soon.
It follows the pattern too closely of previous changes in society driven from the top down.

What was once the belief of the State a year ago is now denounced as heresy. Anyone holding to the previous view is not just a bit behind the times but is dangerously wrong and must be silenced.

The one being attacked reminds the attacker that they hold a position which was commonplace very recently.

“Bigot! Denier! Hater!”

Well, I’ve been there done that and got the t-shirt so I may as well stay as an enemy of the people.

Take a good look at the people/sheeple and ask yourself if you want to be with them or against them.

Quite.

Exactly!

“Bigot-Denier-Hater” seems like a great T-shirt slogan. Wear one proudly.

Catchy, and it can grow like the LGBT acronym soup. Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic

Wasn’t Blake Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic the boyfriend of the late Amy Winehouse?

BDHCD

Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic-Decapitator

Or is that too much?

Oh well, can t say i m surprised the spineless useless woke tories done yet another cave in ! – this time brushing the hated bbc licence fee “reform” under the carpet.

Please roll on Reform Party UK – it is well past time to get rid of these tory c**ts !

How are they spineless.The BBC have got their reward after becoming the propaganda arm of the government.
The back downs and u turns are a continuing feature of government policy but they are all going in the same direction.A full on police state.

I did that bbc survey yesterday, was great fun hammering them and giving them 1 out of 10. (0 was no opinion) it was fun being able to rant about their wokeness and their complete lack of a balanced debate on covid. Made me feel good.

I didn’t want to do it as they wanted my details and DoB and if there is one organisation i do not trust with that, it’s those fools.

The PM’s difficulty with the question on Biden’s wokeness may be the result of briefings on how dim, corrupt and dishonest ’46’ is. Scott Adams’s take on the ‘Fine People’ hoax is worth a look (profanity advisory!). Biden’s lead role in the 1994 ‘Three strikes’ legislation (resulting in life sentences for marijuana possession for instance) and his history of prejudice against black Americans are shocking. The VP’s misdeeds as a prosecutor are pretty shocking too, almost as horrifying as her nervous cackle.

Biden is a nonce
Kamaltoe is a whore
business as usual in the USA

When you give people jobs on their status, race, beliefs and to tick a box you never end up with an effective team. The best person for the job. Kamala just happened to be a woman and a person of colour, two boxes ticked. The fact that she is a fucking useless politician, a terrible public speaker and corrupt has nothing to do with it. She was destroyed in the debates dropped out in the second round after being slaughtered by a really good politician Tulsi Gabbard who is an ex Vet who would have made a great VP.

Considering the makeup of Biden’s cabinet, it’s even more interesting that he chose a transphobe for VP – Harris, when California Attorney Gen, blocked surgery for trans prisoners.

Yes, you are totally right about her issues when prosecuting – one case she was publicly admonished in court for abuse of office & gross misconduct… Kern County CA, a defendant was on charges of attacking a young child; Harris introduced fake evidence and a falsified confession into court evidence. Defendant was obviously ordered immediately released. Harris continued the charade through to an appeals court, who attacked her conduct again. She claims she meant the whole thing as ‘a joke’. The defendant who was now free in society – immediately went and seriously assaulted a young minor child.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/513265-school-kids-mental-health-covid/

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/non-binary-41st-scot-told-23362639

The second link is an indicator of another NHS conundrum; I won’t comment as I can’t find the words.

I wanted to comment on the ultrafattie, but words failed me as well.

hyperpork

As Pink Floyd might put have said: How can you have your man meat if you don’t stop eating your pudding?

so the paper is complicit in referring to her as them . couple of questions. If she has gender reassignment and a mastectomy who would notice ? and why is the NHS even considering spending money on this.. Isnt this the sort of thing that Sumptions arguments were referencing .

Absolutely and how right he was.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said he is self-isolating after being alerted by the UK’s NHS Covid-19 app.

Covid: Health secretary Matt Hancock self-isolating after app alert – BBC News

Perhaps he should have followed his Government’s guidance to stay at home instead of playing football with his son in a London park last weekend.

Hypocrite…

Perhaps somebody who spotted ‘Han’ nobly took one for the team. I hope so.

Interesting theory!

But …. but… *splutter* he’s already HAD THE BLOODY THING!

Anyway, I won’t look a gifthorse in the mouth. May he self-isolate forever.

yes preferably 6 foot under

Follow on from above : ancock has broken the law….

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020

Requirements on person notified of positive test for acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and close contacts of such persons.

2.—(1) This regulation applies where an adult is notified, other than by means of the NHS Covid 19 smartphone app developed and operated by the Secretary of State, by a person specified in paragraph (4)

Come on BoJo sack him or prosecute him?

All part of the plan ,look at me I only went to the park and I caught it do as we say stay home and you’re be safe

Of course this is just politics. Look at me, I follow government guidelines when I am pinged!! Its all show. Nobody is following this track and trace bullshit as it does not work and the vast majority of this country does not have it on their phones.

Neil Oliver put it succinctly in his talk radio interview this week when he talked of the “what’s the point” generation.
A world where even if lockdown ends for a summer, maybe even a year, is still a world where lockdowns are accepted and always on the horizon.
Every flu season, every variant of every disease, every time hospitals get busy. If we know that life and freedom will be curtailed at the click of a finger, then quite simply “what’s the point?”
I have maintained hope that once those people clamouring for an untested vaccine are satisfied, lockdown will vanish, but with each day now we see larger and larger numbers with the vaccine, but at the same time, longer and longer prophesies of eternal lockdown.

in some future enquiry they will just have to go back to the normal pandemic plan

It’s not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination, it is an injection which supposedly activates your T cells to respond to viruses. Thanks but no thanks.

Israel currently has found 12,800 vaccinated people have tested positive!

Conversely, while many of the young will have succumbed to despair and given up on having anything like a ‘life’, such as it was once known, there will be others in the same generational cohort who will not.
It is on these you should place your bets.
They will topple governments.
They will burn cities.

I listened to that interview and he’s right. What baffles me though is how many of the millienials have brought into this whole narrative wholesale. From my experience in my work, they’re the ones who have been vocal in their observance and support of social distancing, masks, vaccines, lockdowns and thinking that everything they read and watch in the MSM is true. Even the threat of redundancy has not led them to question the measures.

As I’ve said here before trying to reason with them is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

Historians of the future will have a field day wondering what went wrong with the young of the early 21st century.

I think we tend to overestimate that compliant attitude amongst the young.

I think there’s a crisis of meaning and a rootlessness for the millennial and post millennial generations. There is very little self awareness about the shortfalls of the tech-mediated life and people are extremely addicted to screens. Without memories of “good old times” to go on or just any memory of a time that felt better, life feels very rootless. I find that millennials are less afraid and more eager for a religion. They need to feel like life matters at the end of the day. And nothing about their world of nonstop self promotion and clicks and cynical consumption of media satisfies that hunger.

I knew all along that the vaccine would not satisfy the lockdown bedwetters for one simple reason.

Their fear is irrational. And you don’t beat irrational fear by indulging it. In fact it indulging irrational fear amplifies it.

People with phobias are not cured by indulging their phobias.

And we see this every time. Facemasks didn’t make people feel safer but less safe. Lockdowns amplify people’s sense of the danger and make them even more fearful. And the vaccines will be the same, it will make the coronaphobic even more afraid. Watch.

There is a good reason Roosevelt said: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Great comment. Someone told me about a relative of theirs who had the coronavirus test presumably for reassurance purposes. It came back negative but regardless (and perhaps because of the whole process) they ended more scared than they were before. I can imagine people in spacesuits sticking things up your nose and then waiting anxiously for the results to come back is not something that will calm your nerves.

And they would have been happier for the test to come back positive by the sounds of it. Although it does fan the flames in terms of case numbers perhaps eventually if enough people have or think they have had it the fear will dissipate.

Not an experience I intend to have. I’m still trying to decide whether I will go so far as starving rather than submit…

Neil has been an an absolute star in his interviews with Mike Graham. Calm and logical and I could listen to him talk all day. What’s the point indeed.

Yep.
And our concern from the start.
This cycle can and will only end after the likely hyperinflationary induced currency collapses, government bankcupcies and the ensuing depression have occurred.

Masks are the new crucifixes. Sanitiser is the new holy water. The Covidian Prayer is “Hands, Face, Space” (Amen). Cardinals Whitty and Vallance, who sit to the left and right of his excellency Pope de Pfeffel, rightly warn us not to displease Him, for He shall mutate and strike us down with furious anger if we do not sacrifice yet more of our childrens’ futures in His name. We must be baptised in the warm glow of unlicensed, experimental mRNA vaccines, born again as true servants of Him unto whom we must surrender our long term health and bodily integrity. Only then will we be given access to the promised land, and a Saga cruise shall take us there.

Archbishop Patel has rightly decreed that all heretics must pay dearly for their sins – their tainted souls shall be cleansed through the medium of Fixed Penalty Notices. Those who resist shall be deemed impure, corrupted, dangerous. They will be cast forever into the darkness, unable to partake in the Great Feast of £30 food parcels. Do not be swayed by the agents of misinformation – those who go by the names of Hitchens, Young and Pearson possess black hearts, and they seek to deny us salvation. Trust only in the Covidian Church, and our mainstream media partners.

A good Covidian will test themselves daily to discover whether He is using their bodies as a vessel to carry out His divine work, but beware the 2% false positve rate. Heed the wise words of High Priest Hancock when he says “Don’t kill Granny” – instead, isolate your elders, allow them to meet their demise from preventable causes, and we shall declare that He has been responsible for their passing. So long as their baptism has not been missed due to government incompetence and bureaucracy, He shall receive them and they will live eternal in his glorious Kingdom.

In the name of the virus, the NHS and the New World Order, Amen.

So now we need a 2021 edition of the 39 Articles for sceptics; Lord Sumption perhaps, could assume the role of a much needed Martin Luther, to bring on the Reformation we need so badly.

Luther was doing his best to reassert old truths that had been distorted and obscured by the ruling power in order to keep people frightened and subservient.
Sumption is a worthy successor.

And the PCR tests and vaccine are the indulgences needed to save souls from going to Covid hell.

At this rate we need a new 95 Theses to be nailed at the gates of Westminster Abbey.

For what we are about to receive,
May the Good Whitty make us truely thankful.
Hands. Face. Space.
Amen

Awomen
Awhitty

Athem is more a-fficient.

Neil Ferguson’s trollope is the new Mary Magdalene

Isn’t that Boris’s trollop?
Or must we have two Maries?
Mary Queen of Scots had four, but only one was a killer, if I remember right,y.

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today on zoom for the online wedding of Frankie and Johnny! Our safe zoom wedding. Do you promise to love, honour and wear masks and ppe during the consummation, do you promise to stay inside and only venture out for essential items. If any person here knows of any just cause or impediment why these two should not be joined together in holy matrimony, let them press the objection button on their pad or press control O on their keyboard. You may now virtually kiss the bride by pressing the kiss button on your wedding pad. Your family and friends can now press the confetti button on their pads. Can’t wait to see the photos!

Superb.

Brilliant I hope you don’t mind me sharing it

Now they’ve really lost the plot!
Bribing sheep and collaborators with £500 to actually catch Covid.
I suppose you could say that’s one case where the cure isn’t worse than the disease.

Never been one to argue the finer points of taxation and where out money goes I believe that’s part of being in a society. But now we have to collectively reward these idiots for taking a test and perpetuating lockdown?

what’s the catch? Maybe they will take the WHO advice and reduce the CT to 24 in the PCR test.

Yet they couldn’t find it in themselves to chuck a few quid at the 3 million or so that have fallen through the great-give-away gaps.

They should burn in this mortal life. We can’t take the risk of eternal damnation.

I see in the DM it states the government are now considering giving a payment of £500 for a positive test. How bad is that??? They are absolutely desperate to get the numbers up!

Whilst it has often been said here that all this is about much more than the data nonetheless if the numbers start to fall it will be hard to keep the whole bulk of the population on board, especially if the weather improves as the days get lighter. I still reckon that Uberfuhrer Johnson is trying to time all this so that when he hosts the G7 meeting in Cornwall in June, he can do it as the hero of the G7 nations, the one who cracked covid in the UK. He does not have much room in his brain for many thoughts but I do think he has global ambitions.
Lockdown must be getting to me and giving me crazy visions, so try this one; Boris was born in the USA and was a US citizen for many years, the way things are going how about 2024, Boris as joint President of a linked USA & UK?

yes, I think with low numbers people will want to be out. but you can rely on the government just to keep the restrictions in place as long as possible, claim victory in the summer, then be ‘caught unawares’ by the next winter and have to lockdown again

If the government believes its coronavirus public information surely it would have scrapped this super spreader G7 event?

Ah, but Steve – they are the Great and the Good, and are thus elevated above such petty concerns as infection. Or mortality. Or logic. Or common sense. Or…

Per, your last speculation (Mad King Boris as joint president of a conjoined Anglo-American federation), highly unlikely; even after two centuries & change, there exists a very persistent strain of nativism that would reflexively reject such an eventuality.

Like the piece by Rob Tyson. Zealots are well-worthy of mockery.

The point he makes at the end about volatility is highly pertinent.

History shows that these panics and manias commonly disappear – or at least disappear to a very low background level – very quickly, almost overnight, as society collectively comes to its senses.

Savonarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities springs to mind, Savonarola being the last victim.

In the first world war women would insult men who did not go to the front as cowards. The giving of white feathers was commonplace. The jingoism at sign up parades made young underage men lie about their age to get a chance to fight. Britain needs you, all those posters. But then the children and husbands and sons did not come home. The government passed a law to stop negative articles about war. I wonder how long it took the women giving the feathers to realise they were wrong? Especially if that man signed up and died at the front. Or like the covid zealots did they just keep telling themselves they did the right thing. The zealots have the whip hand at the moment because we are not being given all the data to review so we only have government propaganda. We seem to have lost our best data guy prof. Hennighan.
When all the data on deaths for January are available I am sure it will show normal all cause mortality especially when compared to a bad flu year. But in the meantime more and more people are terrified by the msm and the idiots on twitter. Our day will come and it will be epic.

I can’t imagine the mindset of someone who sought to shame someone into risking their life, when their own was safe back in the UK. Wretched, small minded selfish souls.

Yesterday I went to work after coming out of isolation due to my wife having covid. I work for the nhs and everyone was saying how their suffered due to vaccine, some required time off. My wife lost her sense of smell but regained it the day before coming out of isolation. As for my family and I nothing even though we hugged and held my wife’s hand. I’ve been taking vitamin D since April and have been giving my family a vitamin supplement since September but my wife works in a shop exposing her to virus. So what have I learned we need to look after our own health by eating healthy, getting fresh air and sunshine, exercising and getting enough vitamin D and sleep.

heresy! you need to hide in your bedroom until someone injects you with some chemicals

Dear Derek, if you haven’t learned by now not to be sensible…

Lost sense of small is due to Zinc deficiency – our bodies burn through nutrients (especially Zinc) during viral infections leading to deficiency.

Hello Victoria didn’t know zinc deficiency caused loss of sense of smell. Anyway my wife didn’t lose her sense of smell straight away but a few days in only regaining it a day before her quarantine ended. The point of my comment is neither me who is 58 or my kids 7 and 14 were affected by covid and we had no protection. So where either immune to covid but not colds or as I believe the government is exaggerating covid. Today a doctor at work told me to get vaccinated but today’s news is saying the new variants may be resistant to the vaccine so what’s the point when what I am doing is working.

And bolster your immune system by remaining a part of the herd.

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Maybe I should infect myself, £500 pays nearly all my rent for a month!
But, I am not working at the moment, so I do not lose any wages. Will I still get the money?

That is tremendous, may I suggest a fourth prize: to be personally swabbed in a highly invasive manner in every orifice by the UK’s Chief Medical Officer, Christopher Whitty, in his very own lock-up garage? It’s all about staying safe guys, amirite?!!

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Anyone that wants to be really depressed need only gaze at the replies of Ameritards to President Bidet’s tweet about wearing masks:

President Biden on Twitter: “Wearing masks isn’t a partisan issue — it’s a patriotic act that can save countless lives. That’s why I signed an executive order today issuing a mask mandate on federal property. It’s time to mask up, America.” / Twitter

Can you imagine the effect of having to wear a face mask in somewhere such as the Rockies National Park, where the roads rise to an elevation above ten thousand foot above sea level. Even without, the smallest exertion leaves you breathless due to the lower oxygen levels.

Or in Death Valley.

Or in Florida where they have been open for month’s

…especially if you’re out-of-shape. Like most Americans.

Nappy up, America, land of the cheat, land of the liar, land of thr fool, land of the slave.

Biden might be president but his powers are limited to federal only therefore only on federal property

Just read the headline and the first bit of today’s update. All I can say is AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

If that’s the case then UK tourism is dead and by extension museums & heritage. Ditto culture & entertainment.

Still think this is about the virus?

If the likes of the National Trust, English Heritage, London Zoo,British Museum, National Gallery, Royal Opera House and the National Theatre still continue to kowtow to this nonsense then they really deserve to go bust. And there won’t be any taxpayers’ funds available to bail them out.

This is terrible. My wife and I are both in aviation so we’ll both lose our careers simultaneously.

I really, really hope that some companies actually speak out this time but I’m not holding my breath…

Agree. I escaped redundancy this time but I suspect the longer we’re shut they will be forced to look into more redundancies to save even more money.

I’m hoping that there are those in the museums sector who will break ranks and defy the government but like you I’m no holding my breath either.

It’s the same with my wife. She’s escaped one round of redundancy so far and now round two is looming! This round is voluntary at the moment but I doubt they’ll get many volunteers at this stage, most people close to retirement who could afford to go are already gone.

Let’s hope so. This is going to terminally affect quite a few sectors so we’ll see.

We had voluntary first, I was on the firing line for the compulsory but survived that. I do wonder who they will go after if there’s another round because we don’t have any left from the those of the retirement age who can afford it age group.

Tourism, aviation, heritage and culture I suspect are all bankrupt and won’t survive the longer this goes on. We shall see if any of them have the balls to defy the government.

Isn’t Arts , Culture , music, Theatre why the rest of the world wanted to come to this septic isle? After that London as a financial centre, the most revenue raised by cultural tourism now well and truly FFFFFucked!

One of the orthodoxies which has been repeated by every politician and media outlet has been that the virus ” doesn’t discriminate ” , usually followed by the one in a million 30 year old on ITU

I therefore found it curious in my NHS mailbox to receive an e mail from the big wigs informing me that for every 20 vaccinated in a care home ( presumably not the moribund ) one life is saved but that I would have to vaccinate nearly 50,000 under 50 year olds to save one life from Covid.

I will never forget some moron from Eire (teasock I think) saying ‘the one thing we know about this virus is that it doesn’t discriminate’. I don’t know how we have ended up with the dregs of society at the top running it

What do you expect when your country us ruled by, with or from a teashop?

There is one tea (or coffee) shop that I wouldn’t mind ruling the country . . .

Bet they serve nothing but Lapsang Suchong, too.
Ghastly stuff.
And in cracked mugs, at that.

Actually, it’s the T-shirt and Iran is run by Ahmed Dinnerjacket. Can you think of any more items of clothing ruling us?

Brilliant

Childish mockery of another nation’s language isn’t really the way to gain respect.

Top level politicos are selected to advance the agenda of their selectors. The selectors buy out both sides so whichever way the fickle electorate goes, the interests of the oligarchs (corporate CEOs) are served without fail. This is all aided by the party system.

Tories funded by billionaires.
Labour funded by billionaires.

MPs should wear the badges of their owners, just like Formula 1 drivers.

So what is it they are trying to tell you? Each life saved comes at an enormous cost from vaccination alone or that there’s no point in vaccinating under 50s?

One life in a care home is saved? How long for?

3 months of ill loneliness.

Life expectancy is eighty-one years.
Average age if coronavirus related death is almost eighty-two and a half years.

“Draconian”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1352520151225278465?s=20

This comment terrifies me… “ People who have a problem with this don’t care enough about the health of other people”

They can double down on the rhetoric as far as I’m concerned. They are fighting a losing battle.

yes. The normal pandemic response plan under WHO guidance was appropriate. Lockdown and draconian laws is the extremist anti-science position

They have the police on their side

So fucking what? Police can do one as well

They know it too

I son’t care about the health if people at large. It isn’t my business. And my health is not their business.

It’s the old “if you’ve nothing to hide” mantra repackaged

These idiots don’t understand that what they might need ‘to hide’ changes while the laws to punish you don’t.

God I’ve always hated it when people say that. It’s so short sighted.

Good job I rarely see my doctor

Yesterday my boyfriend, a previously very happy, stable and optimistic young man, texted this to me:

“Feeling really really depressed, it feels like I’ve lost almost everything. I’ve got no future, and my uni experience has been taken away. Just want to cry… I’m so grateful I have you or else I’d have nothing. I can’t study because I just feel so unhappy and it feels so pointless. I like old fashioned things, I like wearing suits, handing in cvs, talking to real people face to face, but I’ve been dumped into a superficial world where all that matters is how well you can type about yourself. Just feel like I’ll never amount to anything now, and I cant even have fun on the way, because friendship is outlawed and introvert guardian journalist rubbish about hating social interactions is the new paradigm.”

To Boris Johnson; the government; SAGE; the mainstream media; WEF; journalists who sit comfortably at home untouched by this misery; and every single member of the public who supports this unethical and deeply monstrous experiment that is being wrought on the people of this country; YOU have done this.

They are responsible for ruining the life of the person I love as well as countless others. They talk about ‘Fortress Britain’, the ‘Blitz Spirit’ and ‘Ambush/Triumph’ vaccines, and narcissistically model themselves as the hero at the centre of their own dystopian sci-fi film, all the while people like my bf are slowly and silently destroyed.

I vow to crush these individuals into a thousand tiny pieces, just like they have with us.

Oh Poppy, I’m so sorry for you and your lad. He is lucky that he has you. Share your strength with him.
Never forget that both of you have us. We will never give in, never. These loathsome slugs will be crushed. Never doubt it.

Our politicians talk about the Blitz spirit but in reality they are the Luftwaffe and we are the few

Very sorry to hear this. From what I’ve read in your previous posts, your boyfriend was a happy young man looking forward to the future. Now it looks like he’s a shell of his previous self.

Stay strong both of you and Keep Buggering On. We will prevail against those responsible for this and their collaborators.

And as for those who still constantly bang on about WW2, I have news for them, the wartime generation would have been appalled at how cowardly and spineless their descendants have become.

What a sad thing to read and totally relatable to as well. Life and living is being destroyed for a supposedly greater good.

Sending you and your boyfriend strength and happiness. Your generation is very much needed.

We will win through to a happier more positive reality for everyone.

So sorry to hear that Poppy. It is so hard what we are being subjected to but please both of you stay strong and we will beat this despicable government.

He is smart, a real keeper. Encourage him in these dark times. We need people with his appreciation of the situation.

I am really sorry to hear this, but the even sadder realisation is that this just one of thousands of similar stories, probably world-wide.
I will pray for both of you.

Poppy, your young man must be really special because you chose him and, on here, we all know that you are very special. Your contributions have shown real incite and make me optimistic for the future. It’s easy to despair when so many youngsters seem to lack critical thinking or courage but you most certainly do not.
Keep strong, both of you, we need you.

Sorry insight. Fecking spellchecker unable to read my mind.

Her contributions will incite a rebellion. Vive la resistance!

Poppy just tell you BF to do what any sane other person will do, ignore the rules , do not comply. Many of us in our local National Alliance group have been meeting up regularly, made new friends. Please reach out to your own National Alliance group where you can meet like minded people.

What is the National Alliance group?

Best wishes to you and your boyfriend, Poppy. Stay strong, do not let them win.

A quarter of young people are now suffering severe mental distress because of the government’s actions, with many of them now at risk of causing serious harm or worse to themselves.

99.99% of these people will never be badly affected by this virus.

What the hell are we doing?

Never forget who did this
They will pay

So sorry to read this Poppy. Another crime to add to the list of crimes committed by the regime that for the moment rules and ruins our lives.

One day this will end, and when it does good people like you and your BF will be faced with the task of rebuilding this country. I may not live to see it but if you and your BF are a sample of the quality of your generation I am confident that you will prevail.

Poppy,

Send it to your MP, and there is also a call for parliamentary evidence on mental health impact of the ‘measures’. (I think still ongoing).

What is being done to you is criminal. Neil Oliver talks about this eloquently in his TAlk Radio interview. You have to get enough of your generation to say no to this crap. And your right to a decent life is NOT dependent on you agreeing to take part in a GenTech experiment.

Sorry to read this Poppy. But things change, everything passes eventually, no matter how interminable it seems at the time. And in 30 years’ time your generation will be running the country and our institutions, and my children will maybe have children of their own. So it is up to your generation to get through the pain now – as I am sure you will – garner the lessons, make sure those lessons aren’t forgotten, and make sure that a shitshow like this never happens again.

And hold up the bastards who’ve done this to ridicule and censure for evermore.

“Face coverings are not recommended for use outside of medical settings. Or, to put it another way, they are.

yes crush them i agree . and we need people like your boyfriend [ and you] who know that seeing your friends in person is what counts not from a computer .maybe he can read commnets here to know there are people like him and you out there ,

If a parent locked their child away from education and social interactions, they would be arrested and jailed for child abuse.

When the government does it to millions of children, that is deemed a good thing, apparently even by a significant proportion of parents.

Oh Poppy, I am totally unequal to the task of expressing my sadness at your post, except to say that I think all of us reading it would say that this is exactly what we didn’t want to happen. We want your age group (I’m guessing you’re both in your twenties) to have a free life; the sort of freedoms that many of us here have had since before you were born and could never have imagined would be taken away from us so ruthlessly. What can I say? Except that I’d like these b*****ds swing for what they are doing (and I’m very, very anti capital punishment). You are our future.

Oh my goodness, Poppy. I’m so sorry about this. This is horrendous. Is your boyfriend familiar with this site/other sites/places where he’d find a home where he can talk to likeminded people? Sometimes just talking to a likeminded person can help no end.

Poppy, please give your boyfriend my/our very best, and tell him he is NOT alone.

I can’t believe people are even quoting the REACT study. To see a trend you need multiple datapoints over time. They missed a month and are basically starting again.

Imperial couldn’t do science worse if they tried

Steven Reilly is in the same modeling group as Neil Ferguson. Says it all!

They are a complete cunch of bunts!

“Imperial couldn’t do science worse if they tried”

Neil Ferguson enters the chat: Here, hold my beer ….

It is a shame, Imperial once had a top notch reputation. And it is ironic that the lockdown they have enabled is driving universities out of business. Karma is a b*tch.

What’s telling about the section ATL about lockdowns in November is that there is no mention of the usual shape of the death’s curve at that time of year. So you have a curve that looks like any other but suddenly takes on meaning because???

School kids are taught better than that (or maybe not now in the Age of Modelling)

Can someone PLEASE explain where parliament has gone? Seems like they’ve totally brushed this issue off.

It’s the most important single issue of the last 70 years and they don’t even debate it daily!

WTF is going on?!?!?

What do you think this is, a democracy or something?

no need – they all agree

It’s crazy isn’t it.

I think those who beleive they’re doing this to better their own lives miss the point – whats the point in having loads of money in a destroyed country with no restaurants, pubs or even travel?

hysteria. and they won’t feel the downsides

Frit

We are all in this together! If we don’t care to rise up against the government why should they do it?

Er, that’s their job, especially the opposition.

Opposition? When did anything important last get opposed?

6% starmer.

A coup

They all on zoom. Probably wearing no trousers, and being on full pay and pension and loving life. As the mighty Neil Oliver quoted Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing?

I suspect they are busy working on important legislation – related to them granting themselves another 11% pay rise, plus expenses, bonuses, etc.

I am just hoping that, in the end, the public reaction to all this hoo-haa might just swing things. There has just been a discussion on our village facebook site about the current covid situation. Our local authority area, Torridge, currently has the second lowest covid rate in the UK and our local hospital, Barnstaple, currently has 7 covid patients and zero patients on ventilators, they say that is the genuine figure and no covid patients have been transferred anywhere else.
There was then some discussion on the village facebook page about whether our low rate is down to Sam’s Cider (local brew). I do not think such a jovial discussion point would have happened a while back but is now OK because of continuing low numbers in the area. A very small observation but I think it illustrates that they are desperate to keep the public on board and quite worried that they may suddenly lose public support for all this nonsense.

I bet death rates are low too and yet schools are closed. There’s no justification for it.

I think the cider point is the route forward. Absurdity. Not everyone will ever have the energy to be super angry on top of daily life stress. The absurdity of the fraud is infectcious, it relaxes the frozen with terror.

The great unpicking of the scam, the returning of free travel will take more. A fully exposed fraud with actors swinging for their parts may be the only way to open up movement across the globe.

Keep the cider flowing just to be safe.

Absurdity and mockery are the two best medicines and a route out of this. I’m nearly old enough to remember Peter Cook’s savaging of Harold Macmillan live on stage. I also remember a few years ago the Steven Poliakioff series ‘Summer of Rockets’ where a putative coup was defeated by a savage mockery on television.
Where are the Peter Cook’s of today. Unfortunately they are all too woke!

I remember spitting image slaughtering pretentious pop stars and politicians. When you see yourself through a satirical lens you have to reassess. Wow is that how people see me?

and remember how Lukashenko was mocked for his recommendation of a nightly shot of vodka….how things have come full circle

Mockery is the best medicine!

I also like to point people towards this:-
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19interactivemap/2020-06-12

The low death figures are striking and people can get a better sense of the scale of them in the context of an geographical area they can understand. Seven deaths in my local area of maybe 5k since March, none in summer.

Fixed it:
Latest pod: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7398646-ep-16-the-madness-of-crowds

Bit late today but, as usual, LS begins with a negative story. We want to hear about those resisting, please!

Every act of non-compliance is resistance. Every criticism of the official narrative is resistance. Every act of mockery of the madness is resistance.

Ignore the rules.

Very very depressing headlines this morning. The real infection is the delusion that zero-Covid is possible or even desirable relative to the costs of attempting to achieve it. Meanwhile my Dad gets his vaccine this weekend. I told him take it for the psychological effect but your overall mortality risk will be virtually unchanged!

The SAGE expert on the Today Programme just said that once the over 80s and over 70s have been vaccinated that’s 99.9% of the most vulnerable protected. . .

And so ?

Protected! What a sick joke.

‘your overall mortality risk will be virtually unchanged’ – let’s hope you’re right about that. let’s hope it’s nothing more than a harmless placebo, a massive waste of money

This is the depopulators big occasion and they have worked hard to bring it about. Very low probability of any of these “vaccines” being harmless.

Is anyone else hearing a lot more second hand vaccine death stories than they ever did with covid?

A relative’s friend’s centenarian Nan had the vaccine 10 days ago and then died. Her care home hadn’t had a single case of covid, yet after taking the vaccine most of the care home now have it, including her (so she’ll be a covid death). My hypothesis is that either the vaccine ruins their immune system to the point that they pick it up, or that the vaccine interacts with the PCR test in some way.

The other story I heard is from another relative’s friend. Her friend is a covid zealot and her friend’s mum is in a care home. They’ve had, wait for it.. 24 OUT OF THE 60 RESIDENTS DIE AFTER GETTING THEIR VACCINE. 24 OUT OF 60!

They’re going to kill off lots of old, vulnerable people with this vaccine, and they’re going to put them all down as covid deaths.

Could you find out the name and details and report to local newspaper?

Very unlikely that any “newspaper” would touch this story. The only way these stories will get out to the public is by world of mouth and through social media. If things are really as bad as they seem, then the vaccine genocide will get into the public domain, no matter how hard they try to hush things up.

I wonder how they are going to spin the rising death rate as vaccines are rolled out and the country is still in lockdown?

Not enough vaccine take up by the under 70s. It’s to protect others!

Is impossible with the numbers that have been jabbed to have no deaths,but without a free press who is going to uncover the truth?

some brave devil folk will; but it will be buried in the darker corners of the internet, shadowbanned to death, and if it does begin to threaten the Grand Lie, then the truth-speakers will be smeared, slandered, sectioned and carted off to loony bins… it’s all so drearily predictable

If it becomes obvious that the “vaccines” are genocidal, then the story will be unstoppable and it will spread by word of mouth. Soon everyone would soon know someone, who has keeled over within days of vaccination.

It seems that the government may be getting worried, as these early deaths are happening just too quickly to be plausibly deniable. This would cause enormous vaccine hesitancy and bring the planned vaccine cull to an early end. There would also be other very serious repercussions for the government.

The early deaths are likely the real reason why it now wants to delay the second shot, as it would likely cause an even bigger round of early deaths.

new strain; the ‘folk devils’ like us – it won’t be a problem for them

CGI of lockdown sceptics coughing on Granny.

John which area is this. I note someone has posted on this sight a questionnaire from the BBC. I was going to ask them how come they are not recording deaths from the vaccine. It would be strange if England does not have such deaths when other countries are reporting them!

I would really like to be able to get the clear truth on both sides. I don’t know how we get at that as the government spins like crazy and I don’t doubt some are exaggerating the vaccine injuries. I’m sure there are some as there are with all vaccines but how to get beyond anecdotes to facts is difficult. Is it really dangerous? I’m sure we’d all love to know but I’m struggling to trust any story I hear. I don’t doubt you are repeating what you have been told in good faith.

The vaccine rollout is a stage 4 clinical trial.There must be figures somewhere

Yes it would be nice to have some transparency, but I fear that we are dreamers!

Personally, I know one person who has had fairly severe side effects (they had to call an ambulance).

My mother in law also said that out of the people who had the jab at the doctor’s surgery where she works, she was the only one who didn’t ‘feel rough’. She didn’t elaborate on what she meant by ‘rough’. I will try to find out.

I don’t know that many people who have had the jab yet.

Pfizer ought to requisition a few of the bodies for autopsies. ADE? Cytokine storm? It was never suitable for people so frail and elderly they are in a care home.

Norway have stopped vaccinating the elderly and very frail after quite a few deaths. Surely we should follow suit.

It will explain the spike in covid deaths being reported. They are slaughtering us live on TV and we’re begging to join the queue. You couldn’t make this stuff up

I haven’t heard anything personally yet – though I can count 4 acquaintances and a family member in their 80s who have had their first dose (Iam the youngest person in my road by 30 years) and haven’t experienced any side effects yet. However, none of them are very poorly or living in care homes. I think we just don’t have enough information to judge yet. When people are dying who are of an age and fragility that a loud noise or a strong draught would be enough to carry them off at any moment there is endless potential for misattribution (in either direction).

Data from Israel suggests that the first dose isn’t doing too much to protect the elderly from a dose of the demon virus and it is peak death time for everything, including respiratory infections. I think that we need to be watching very carefully and taking notes, but avoid making the jab the bogeyman without clear evidence. Otherwise we’ll be just as guilty of monomania and unscientific thinking as the zealots.

Otherwise we’ll be just as guilty of monomania and unscientific thinking as the zealots.’
except that the difference between us and them is that we’re not trying to destroy other people’s lives: we just want to be left alone, to get on with our lives in peace.

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yep, that’s what I’ve suspected all along has been the plan. no secondhand stories – yet; but not that many secondhand stories of vaccine recipients: only large numbers of the vaccine-eager; I predicted at New Year that by the end of the year quite a few of my circle of acquaintances will be dead, or worse

all accounts need to be documented
They will n-e-v-e-r release the actual figures

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

Notify the BBC. See if they take it up…

Does this get reported in the media?
Even local?
This happening everywhere, I saw the Basta Berlin podcast on YT yday, they had 4 local newspaper reports where care homes had vaccinations and a few days later almost every resident and a 3rd of staff tested +.

The psychologist evils have missed a clanger.

Reading the good article above about folk devils.

“It is important at this stage that the “moral entrepreneurs” are vocal and the “folk devils” appear weak and disorganised.”

£10,000 find for organisers stamped out organisers. This is good. Very good. By being a miscellaneous group of cincerned people with a common cause we are neither led nor defined. As Mark Windows has long said, and proven to be the case, this method is truly the form in which people must stand up against the change agents and social engineers in our lives today.

Through their own poor strategy they have caused the very thing they cannot fight against. Heart and mi ds grouped together leaderless and so very fucking right.

This is not to dismiss the courage figure heads have and do need to speak out with their various facts and truths. However, our relationship to them is healthy, they do not lead and we do not follow. Their input is most welcome our support is only there if each of us recognises merit in the work.

A t-shirt with ‘folk devil’ would be an enjoyable garment to have.

Some care homes staff refusing to have the vaccine.
GOING WELL,AIN’T IT?

So much so the National Care Assoc are seeking legal advice currently to see how carehomes can make vaccination a condition of employment. The numbers of those sensible people refusing is large.

Surely if employers are demanding that staff undertake a medical procedure they are obliged to carry out a risk assessment beforehand. This would involve detailing the risk to the employee and require information from the public health authorities or whoever is overseeing the vaccination programme in order to complete that risk assessment .
Is that information available?.
If it is , would the Govt release it ?
If not then no risk assessment can be done and no employee can be compelled to obey these demands .
Injurylawyers must be looking at this situation with some interest . Once slightly chided as ambulance chasers they now appear, for employees anyway, as a salvation army.
Meanwhile what do the unions say. At places where I worked this sort of bullying would have provoked a very robust response.

Never refuse a vaccine – make it conditional (employer/GP etc) on signature of a liability letter
(hint – they won’t)
Proforma can be found here
https://freedomtaker.com/

I just don’t see the logic in making anyone who has had COVID (and I would imagine a fair number of care home workers have) have the vaccine:

1) it will provide better protection as the immune system will have seen the whole virus (vs just one antigen) thus giving greater protection against antigentic drift in future mutants

2) it’s cheaper

3) it leaves more vaccine for those who want it

There are no CV post mortems. The Royal College of Pathologists have expressed their concern about this.

Words plucked from twitter.

Nothing impressive, perhaps too late from the complicit college. But a murmur in the right direction. The activities of those responsible for over seeing standards at the college need to be investigated for neglect of duties imo.

JHB on TR has just ripped George Useless apart AGAIN.

So it would appear that all the granny killers and rule breakers are in the south-east corner of England to judge from the mortality graphs presented today. Not so much a second wave but a south-east tsunami.

Busted!

Mandy and Mikey Mike appear to be involved in a cat fight as to who is responsible for handing out the extra punishment beatings

Mike has a point, it’s her Stasi and Mandy took them over last year when she was shielding. Now she wants her toys back

I don’t do the 5pm thing but apparently Mike wheeled out a top rozzer to go full on hysterical. He lectured about how dangerous it all was and that the new enemy were those attending parties organised by Emmanuel Goldstein.

I missed the bit when the rozzer outlined his qualifications

Anyway Mandy’s gone home and won’t come out

I’m told his last words were ‘I was playing with them first’ before he flounced off

To the casual observer it all seems a bit pointless as these fines are disappeared quicker than a Marxist under Pinochet

Thank you. Your contributions always bring a much needed smile.

a bit of amusement .. This is from last year but it ,and the guy doing it , are both new to me .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENOc8DER_B8

In the Telegraph you can check how many people in your area have had the vaccine. Seems rather low in my area of North London. Heard they were taking vaccines away from London to give to other areas where people had not been vaccinated. Where did they get 5 million people who have been vaccinated nationwide. Just asking?

North London Partners in Health and Care

4.5%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 68,601 people out of a total population of 1,510,806.

Your area ranks 39th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 55.1%Rank: 28th out of 42Under 80s: 2.8%Rank: 35th out of 42

East London Health and Care Partnership

3.4%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 68,858 people out of a total population of 2,023,383.

Your area ranks 42nd out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 48.5%Rank: 36th out of 42Under 80s: 2.1%Rank: 42nd out of 42

Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland

5.1%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 56,317 people out of a total population of 1,100,306.

Your area ranks 34th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 52.7%Rank: 30th out of 42Under 80s: 2.7%Rank: 36th out of 42

Seem to be doing better in North West

Greater Manchester Health and Social Care Partnership

5.8%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 167,180 people out of a total population of 2,869,256.

Your area ranks 30th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 59.6%Rank: 20th out of 42Under 80s: 3.5%Rank: 20th out of 42

Like all the other figures, they are made up

One for Statto to correlate with the HA’s death figures.

Lockdowns: the new totalitarianism AIER

https://www.aier.org/article/lockdown-the-new-totalitarianism/

The following comes from they synopsis of Plan A above.

Restrictions on public gatherings and public transpor t…..

……. t he working presumption will be that Government will not impose any such restrictions. The emphasis will instead be on encouraging all those w ho have symptoms to follow the advice to stay at home and avoid spreading their illness.

It looks as if the government is now revisiting this bit of the plan A – pity they didn’t think of paying £500 a week to people to stay at home if they had symptoms a lot earlier.

Paying people £500 when they get a positive PCR test sound good in principle however this will likely just lead to the Cobra Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

What – bribe people to help destroy the economy because the government’s attempts are not fast enough?

Interesting comments from the BBC although unfortunately not the headline. These were made by a group including a Chief Medical Advisor to Public Health England.
“PCR tests, which the NHS uses to test people with symptoms and are sent off to a lab for the results, can detect dead virus as well as viable virus. That means people can test positive for many days after symptoms appear and for weeks after they are capable of passing the virus on to others.
As a result, only a subset of people testing positive with PCR tests are actively infectious .

Neither PCR or lateral flow is a perfect test, but “ treating PCR as a gold standard of infectiousness ” is a mistake , they say. ”

Why then are we treating the PCR as a gold standard and why aren’t we repeating the test when positive in asymptomatic “cases” as recommended by the World Health Organisation.

They need to scare people with big numbers.

Can’t find the article. Have you got a link?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55751874

Vague Guessing has been found out telling porkies again

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55750297

The BBC allowing comments. Wow!!

Please can someone point out to me where the WHO’s new PCR guidance tells countries to lower the cycles used?

I can see a hint or two but nothing explicit.

It doesn’t state it explicitly but the following paragraph:

WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed ( 1 ). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

if put into bullet points thus:

• WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.
• The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load.
• Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

is a warning against high cycle counts.

Original notice from WHO for reference for others: https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

It appears to be the Live version of Event 201, which ended after 18 months and leave 65 million dead. The time would be around the time of the G7 meeting.

But all variants of the harmless SARS-COV, no?

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
From which:

Figure 19 is the most interesting graph of all because it shows that ICU admissions for patients with pneumonia leading from flu bumping along all year after April at, or just above, zero. This condition, it would seem, has gone the same way as polio, but more so, and is apparently a thing of the past.

Utter horse manure, of course, and there is no other image than the one presented below to better represent the criminal activity that has been taking place in the corridors and wards of the nation’s supposedly beloved NHS.

Will Jones using the government death and testing stats. Words fail me.

I can’t really look at the stats too long now. It’s all just totally unreliable distorted as it is by PCR

If the Wancock is forced to follow the new WHO guidelines then ‘cases’ amongst the symptom free people will plummet, Matt needs everyone with the slightest sniffle to go for a test as these false positives may not need a second test. That’s maybe why people with the slightest hint of a system will go for a test – well people will make up symptoms just to be in the running for the £500 prize

Very clever really, clearly not Matt’s idea

The way the WHO guidelines are being spun by the lockdown lovers is that it simply says to adhere to manufacturers instructions and hardly revelatory.

They simply cannot bring themselves to believe this test is flawed and even before the new protocol from Dorsten, it was always only to be used in the manner which the WHO are now saying. As part of a professional clinical assessment. Not as a mass screening tool to turn society into a torture chamber

That’s definitely wishful thinking on behalf of the lockdown lovers.

I receive similar bulletins in my line of work and they are only issued when someone, somewhere is doing something very wrong.

It is quite clear that the bulletin was stating that users are NOT following the manufacturers instructions, i.e they are using cycle thresholds that are too high and diagnosing people with COVID-19 on the basis of the test alone. It definitely was not a simple reminder to ‘keep doing what you’re doing and don’t forget to read the leaflet!’

The WHO is a weird organisation. It occasionally drops truth bombs then reverts back to the narrative. Maybe there is an internal struggle going on there that we aren’t aware of.

you don’t think the WHO are attempting to cover their arses before the Drosten PCR paper gets retracted?

Could well be that. An internal struggle for truth and best practice is probably just wishful thinking on my part!

Michiavellian.

His Scottish princeling MacHiavellian

What Happened to Plan A?

Item 7.4 is straight out of the 1960’s post-nuclear holocaust handbook: “the Government will encourage those who are well to carry on with their normal daily lives for as long and as far as that is possible, whilst taking basic precautions to protect themselves”

When this theory document met the cold light of day it was realised that it was unworkable. People were already starting to panic over the Italian deaths; how could a twenty-first century government implement a policy that just accepted that 158,000 people would die in three weeks from a single cause and yet everyone should carry on regardless? And it had to be implemented by all four UK governments or none.

The planners had failed to produce a realistic plan. As a result, the UK government were forced to write policy on the hoof.

Since then, the BBC and SAGE members have driven the agenda, with worst case scenarios and figures taken out of context to scare the innumerate. The devolved governments have competed as to who can do most to protect people from the virus and the leader of the opposition has had a single cry of “more” .

And so, by starting with a plan which consisted of little more than “keep calm and carry on” , and with no division of UK and English government, we end up where we are now.

The plan failed to take account of media scare-mongering, the growth in social meedja, 24/7 news channels on scores of channels, France threatening to close off its borders etc. The Government should have calmly put all the deaths in perspective (1700 die every day in the UK, more in winter) and coordinated the message with the Press and devolved governments. It was not a HCID.

Thanks for reminding me about the French threat to close borders, as I believe that was what ultimately forced Boris Johnson to lock down the UK.

Plan A was the right plan. Had it been implemented, we would probably be no worse off than we are today in terms of Covid deaths and massively better off in terms of mental health and damage done to society and the economy. Unfortunately, the government caved into pressure from the media, other countries (Macron threatened to close the border) and possibly other sources.

If the gov had turned their propaganda machine to stopping fear and panic, I think anything could have been done.

It’s far easier to whip up panic than it is to quash it, perhaps because fear makes us stupid.

The plan is fine, it just takes a bit of intelligence, moral courage and resolution to implement (see Sweden). Key to that is to quell fear, inform and contextualise. The government has done the exact opposite. The whole point of having a plan in the first place is so that you don’t panic and implement disastrous kneejerk policies. The plan is the response of grown-ups, the lockdown is the response of children.

Whilst I sort of agree with the sentiment, Nigel, the IFR of this disease was never even close to 2.5%; it was clear, even from the Chinese who were determined to precipitate maximum panic, that the disease didn’t have anything like the impact on children; and it was clear that a significant proportion of the population enjoyed a degree of immunity from this disease. Sweden realised this, stuck with the plan and is seeing the virus disappear.

Not on topic, other than der covid pusher in chief in scotland looks like toast.

“Sensing a change of mood over the Salmond enquiry tonight. Sky News seem to be getting into their stride and doing some investigation and Andrew Neil seems to be about to turn the screw. Looks like the dam might burst soon.” From twitter.

Theres a new tv advert out – slogan its time to roll our sleeves up. The message comes up at the end of the advert, along with three logos saying Scotland and a subline #vaccinateScotland – or some wiffle.

As pointed out by A N other the public health message is swamped by the pro Scotland polictical message. As if a Scottish road ‘stop’ sign would have logos and the message ‘this stop sign is brought to you by Scotland’.

It is good to see the pressure ratchet up on sturgeon, her features are getting baggier by the day. 70% of Scottish people want her gone if she lied to parliament. There’s a lot of evidence out there even if it has been mysteriously decreed that Aberdein’s evidence won’t be heard and certain correspondence has been kept out of all inquiries and trials despite it existing and being requested by various parties to be released – sometimes the bucket of whitewash runs out.

Apparently we are supposed to believe that five million people have been vaccinated and not one has died.

When is the government going to publish the vaccine related death figures?

Surely the failure to publish such data necessarily renders the ethical requirement for informed consent impossible, as no one knows the risk of death.

I too would welcome information about deaths following vaccine that involve people who have been closely monitored after the jab and had a post-mortem. However, simply reporting deaths after vaccine would just be more junk data – it wouldn’t tell us anything about the risks of the intervention, espeically in the oldest age group.

I am sure you are aware that the government made a point of stopping post mortem examinations.

Yes I am, and I know I’m not going to get what I suggest above. But since I cannot accept that numbers of people dying within 28 days of a positive PCR is a valid indicator of anything much at all without context, I can’t accept deaths post-jab without context as a measure of anything either. For me, this just sanctions the sloppy, dishonest behaviour of our persecutors – I don’t believe in the idea of ‘if you can’t beat them join them’.

Do you want people volunteering to be injected because they believe that millions of people have received the vaccine(s) and not one has died and that therefore the risk is zero?

Cheap shot, Steve. One step away from crying “granny killer!”. I want people to be free to choose, based on an understanding of relative risk (not zero risk). I appreciate that lack of transparency means that this is not possible for everyone now but I sitll don’t think that reporting all deaths following a vaccine, without context, constitutes clear, helpful information that will assist individuals in making their own judgements.

We’re using 2 different vaccines: AZ and Pfizer. What if the death rate on one is massively different to the other? I think I would like to know. My mother is getting one on Monday. I’d like to know which and I would like to know if one is safer than the other.

some time never

They are getting away with so many lies and exaggerations they don’t seem to care now what we think.

Not all propaganda is intended to persuade. Some propaganda, the blatantly incredible, is a loyalty test. It makes it easy to separate out the non-believers, making it easy to target them and persecute them.

“ When is the government going to publish the vaccine related death figures?”

I believe they have discussed “When Hell freezes over” as a possibility.

They will never release such data
The only thing we have is anecdotal accounts
That’s why it is important they are documented

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

I understand that in the US (and presumably similarly in many other countries) it is a requirement for all post-vaccine deaths (and adverse reactions) to be reported to VAERS in the US, the official body which collates statistics on all adverse reactions to vaccines. This applies to all occurrences whether believed to be directly or indirectly related to the vaccine, or not related at all. A verdict on actual cause of death is left to other experts to investigate. I don’t know what the timeframe is for defining ‘post-vaccine’, but my point is that figures are being collected and are being publicly reported in the US. The complete silence in this country in official reporting has to beg the question: What is the Government afraid of or trying to cover up?

I suspect they are afraid that the figures may well be comparable to Norway’s. In Norway twenty-five thousand people were vaccinated and thirty people died: a risk of more than one in a thousand of dying. This is highly significant especially when compared to the risk of dying from the virus.

Exactly!

Exactly – I’ve seen so many posts (including film evidence) of people with various types of vaccine damage since having the covid jab, and also stories of people’s relatives who have died..

If the new variants are so much more transmisable why isn’t the slope of the curve on the Euromomo charts steeper now than in the spring?

Because people have developed an immunity to covid over the last year, despite the gov best efforts..? Or its not “70%” more transmissible.. ?

Your questions are far too sensible and reasoned you know

Preprint https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249721v1

New study in random sample of UK households estimates B117 new variant of SARSCOV2 is 6% more infectious than older variant. Suggests 60-80% estimates from non-random samples were indeed artefacts of conditioning-on-the-outcome.

Yes it’s a cold
If you can’t get over a cold then you need to step away from the fridge

recognise this guy?

Yep! Got it in one!

a friend posted this on FB. I’m sure she was referring to DJT- but I’m betting she’s never heard of Klaus Schwab!

Trump worked for zero pay. Will tolerant unifying I’m here for you Biden do the same?

MSM and investigative journalism. Ironic that last night ‘All the Presdient’s Men’ was shown on television. A tour de force of investigative journalism, cross checking of facts and data by Woodward and Bernstein.

As with my comment below: where are the investigative journalists, and where are the comedians prepared to make mockery and savage the government – thinking of Peter Cook and Harold Macmillan.

Finally. A critical viewpoint on the government’s handling of vaccinations and abandonment of manufacturers recommendations.

Professor Herb Sewell on the decision to delay second stage of process to 12 weeks.

https://mol.im/a/9169697

His stance on this being a vaccine in the first instance negates his article. IMHO

What an absolute joke this conversative party is.

Matt Cartoon in Torygraph sums it up very nicely

The lie of “three weeks to flatten the curve” has certainly come back to haunt the government in a big way. Anyone who actually thought about the situation could see that one lockdown wouldn’t achieve much (unless of course it was pursued to the point of complete elimination, like in New Zealand).

By definition it is impossible to quantify Rumsfeld’s ‘Unknown unknowns’

This certainly applies to the extent of human knowledge and understanding of our immune system

Yet scientists are allowed to get away with making pronouncements about something they don’t fully understand

It’s like asking a hairdressing apprentice to change the engine in your £80,000 Ranges Rover

It will end it tiers

Or asking a Range rover technician to sort out your roots, or balyage if so inclined.

Hell hath no fury than a woman’s dodgy barnet.

I see our Dear Leaders (or their minions or masters) have just published their reply to the petition about so-called ”Freedom Passes”. The usual patronising tosh – with all the Newspeak buzzwords: ”Controlling the spread” ”chains of transmission”, etc.
And it says of the ”vaccine record card that ”It is not intended to be used for any other purpose, or as an immunity certificate”. Is that because they know it doesn’t give immunity? So what exactly IS the point of it then? (As if we didn’t know.)

They might not intend it to be used as an immunity certificate, but that won’t stop bars or cinemas asking to see it.

Jesus wept.

One can’t escape this propaganda. Bet Hitler and Stalin never thought of using their postal systems:

It’s when the stamp has Whitty’s head on when I will really start to worry.

Oh gawd, I can’t unsee that now!!!

AAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

I would like to stamp on Whitty’s head – or have it misread your post?

Not if the stamp is a photo of his severed head. One for the collectors methinks.

Somebody asked yesterday about best hope for getting out of this. It has to be the people saying enough is enough. the Italian opening IoApro – was this just for one day only, or are they still open?

And does anyone have any details on the UK supposed grand reopening next Saturday 30th Jan? I’m sure I’ve seen this somewhere but can’t find it now… thanks

Vaccine humour…so true.

Government borrowing soared to £34.1BILLION in December | Daily Mail Online

The magic money tree is in full effect. £2.3 Trillion come summertime?

Crikey – its almost as if we are getting lined up for a great reset

Who is lending this money??
or is it all being printed???

I imagine the IMF will be offering rewards to countries that stick to the script.

From the FSU weekly newsletter. Elon Musk has it right. Thank you Toby et al.

“ Tesla founder Elon Musk, who last week called Big Tech the “de facto arbiter of free speech”, endorsed the suggestion that Big Tech “has to make the distinction between banning hate speech and banning speech it hates.”

The sheeple and the MSM….

A solitary existence unfortunately

Australia is a “Parallel Democracy”????
The UK stopped being a Democracy on March 23rd 2020..

The UK was a libertarian paradise compared to what happened in Victoria. At least you guys can leave the country for one.

Only if “jabbed” and tested “negative” apparently – if you want to fly at least.

We just can’t come back without going to prison enforced isolation.

https://www.facebook.com/reignitedemocracyaustralia/videos/2857102047892269/?sfnsn=scwspmo

This is how Dolores Cahill deals with it. People need to know the law, and be determined to use it in their own defence.

And go where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCg0r6Rg_sg

I like the Brazilian variant.

I love all Brazilian variants.

Disappointed this wasn’t the one I was hoping for.

But pleased to see folk living as they should.

“Take Junction 3 off the road to Hell” towards the end of Round-up is an excellent summary of where we are at the present time. Grim reading but matches my personal opinion regarding the whole cluster**k.

Govt gave people in Delhi money for each dead cobra that they brought them as they wanted to reduce snake population.

This resulted in people breeding cobras & lead to a higher cobra population.

I wonder what a £500 Covid payment would do?

Google ‘cobra effect’.

Great example! I remember reading about this previously. My only question is, how the hell do I go about catching ‘it’? I still don’t know anyone who has had a positive test and trips to the supermarket aren’t working. I suppose the only surefire strategy is to get myself admitted to hospital for something.

easy- make multiple requests to get tested and don’t turn up-sit back and wait for the false positive results to come back-as reported elsewhere- and collect your money

Ah! Perfect. I had forgotten that a no-show resulted in a positive.

I think its hard to catch in Telford. I have never used sanitiser or worn a mask or social distanced or elbow bumped etc. I have sat right next to people for 10 months in my work and have been on protests. I have never wiped shopping trolleys or shopping items.

Yet I have still not had anything…it really is terribly contagious isnt it!

Any one got any ideas? A massive orgy sex party or something ? I want my £500!

What you are saying is really significant: it really is very difficult to catch covid. It was the same with experiments with the common cold – infecting volunteers was well nigh impossible.

So why do those who catch it, catch it? Well, that’s the question no-one is asking. If you did, the answer would lie in the host, not the virus. And this would bring germ theory crashing down. Viruses aren’t “dangerous” but people can be weak, old and unhealthy.

If you want to know the extent of a pandemic, just check changes in the health of the population (diet, drugs, vaccinations etc) and environmental challenges (e.g. winter, war, poverty, whatever). And there is your pandemic. The virus/bacteria is irrelevant – it is whichever turns up to take advantage (or even do some good??). Simples really.

once you strip out obesity and the hidden diabetes you are left with very few healthy people catching covid

Just had a great chin-wag with a few other sceptics in a local cafe.

One guy’s 9 year old daughter tested positive and was quite poorly by all accounts, although he wasn’t entirely convinced as she had swelled hands and a rash to boot and he had zero faith in the PCR. They were a little too quick and content to put it down to Covid.

Anyhows, he and his wife took it in turns to sleep with her, with her coughing and sputtering all over them as they cuddled and comforted her, fully expecting them both to come down with it too. Turns out it wasn’t as contagious as they thought. Funny that.

Pleased to say she’s 100% recovered – but wants to know why the fuck she’s not at school or able to see her mates.

(My fuck, not her’s)

Dude, just “Act like you’ve got it.” Ask for your £500.

Is that why the Pigtator chairs Cobra meetings?

Hehe – I wonder what the per diems are for attending those; they could probably make a 90’s supermodel blush.

See prison inmates trying to catch covid so they could get reduced sentences of other privileges.

handy if you recently had covid- go along and, as long as they are running a high ct, £500 is yours. Who knows, try it again a couple of weeks later. Anybody know how long you retain dead virus?

For ‘long covid’ you can look on it as a lifetime annuity.

and that’s why this idea has been dumped by lunchtime- the phrase was not put on the PM’s desk

I hadn’t heard of that, but it is a great illustration of two points.

1] If the criminals and wideboys of the world used half of their intellect for legitimate purposes they wouldn’t need to be criminals.

2] If politicians of the world used twice their intellect they wouldn’t be bright enough to be criminals and wideboys.

The Spectator Tory “lite” LD sceptics seem to have panicked. They were the first to be bought with new transmissible strain argument (new but known since several months) and couldn’t even understand that if a normal LD didn’t work, how could it work for a more transmissible variant ? Along came the rush with the vaccines as a saviour for our “last” LD for the Spectator gang (with an alarming influence in the gov.). Now they are concerned that a vaccine resistant strain can be imported and destroy all the good and we therefore, in a LD/SD distant free UK world, need to shut our borders and implement Australian/NZ like isolation. But as a consolation the famous virus expert Fraser Nelson in Spectator reassures us there has not been a vaccine resistant strain been discovered among the 12000 strains.
These deluded people have no idea about viruses. This virus is constantly mutating like flu and will always in the Darwinistic pressure select the most transmissible strain which soon would be vaccine resistant. Have they not heard about the flu vaccine changing every year?
That a Tory government could even consider an Australian/NZ like solution must be the prime example that they have lost their marbles. Have they understood the geography? In order not to starve the  UK, Romanian/European lorry drivers will flow in unhindered with their nasty strains but UK citizens will sit 2 weeks paying a Heathrow hotel after having being abroad.
The Australian gov., Jacinda Ahearn seem almost a beacon of light compared to the current bunch of cretins in the UK gov. The publication of the Australian scientist discussing about vaccine and treatment was very revealing in yesterday’s edition. NZ/Australia just might afford 1 years isolation LD free watching the rest of the world being the guinea pig of the vaccines. They can then choose a vaccine similar in safety profile to the fluvaccine (and that is definitely not the current vaccines) and together with instituting early treatment if the virus was to appear again, they might, might be spared.
There must be something ominous in BJ speaking about prolongation of LD and nervousness about importing new vaccine resistant strain. The C-19 death figures in the UK highest in the world with 4 million doses of vaccine given. And that is a success story of the gov. handling the pandemic with a 10% GDP fall so far last year?

The Quisling Spectator

party
[ˈpɑːti]
NOUN

1. a social gathering of invited guests, typically involving eating, drinking, and entertainment.

Presumably gate crashers have immunity from prosecution?

‘Oh – What a Lovely Lockdown’

Time For An Exodus From Authoritarian Big Tech Platforms
https://www.thebernician.net/time-for-an-exodus-from-authoritarian-big-tech-platforms/

This one too: https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-launches-investigation-into-big-tech-algorithms/

And this just in is worrying ‘ Google threatens to block its search engine in Australia if the government proceeds with a new code that would force it and Facebook to pay media companies for the right to use their content’ (Reuters)

So many other platforms available – Google should go

“Gold’s mission has included touting the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, a phoney Covid- 19 cure that Donald Trump endorsed which carries serious health risks, and suggesting that the lockdown’s mental health effects were more harmful than the Covid-19 virus.”

Yeah, no debate on HCQ. It’s all just Trump lies. Gutter journalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/22/coronavirus-misinformation-simone-gold-americas-frontline-doctors

Meanwhile in America
https://twitter.com/free_ohio/status/1352276977059852293

Yep – now Covid cases will drop which Joe B will get the credit for, and also this will be seen as a sign that the vaccine is working…

HcQ was plenty good enough for a number of Hollywood celebs. Daniel Dae Kim called it a secret weapon; Hanks & Rita Wilson quietly took it too, early on in the pandemic. It also appeared to be good enough for prominent Democrats, Paul Vellone (NY) Karen Whitsett (MI) both claimed it probably saved their lives. One time considered Biden VP candidate Amy Klobuchar trashed Trump for mentioning the drug, having seemingly totally forgot that she praised it when her husband took it, she had said that he was severely ill & just got better overnight, after taking it.

I read a comment made by Poppy earlier, she mentioned how depressed her boyfriend is. I feel so much for all the suffering going on, but according to some I am an evil covid denier. My fight is slipping away and I feel mentally exhausted with it all. Something struck me as well when it comes to mental health. A lot of people always say when someone commits suicide, if only they had said they were feeling so low, lots of people loved them and would have been there for them. This often is not true. Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. I know from experience how true that is, so you smile and say that everything is fine when you are dying inside, because no one wants to be around a misery guts!. Anyway, I hopefully will have a nice weekend with my son, eat drink and be merry is my motto for the next few days. I hope everyone on here has a good weekend and at least I know there are at least a few good people left.

Best Wishes.

It may feel right now that this will last forever – it won’t.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/20/banning-maskless-shoppers-couldnt-come-soon-enough-for-me-13909582/amp/

If someone’s health is that poor, then why are they outside? What do they do in a normal year about avoiding flu? Why is it any different now?

It’s the pompous self-regard that is so remarkable : ‘Everybody needs to dance to my tune’.. But I guess that brainwashing.

They enjoy the power trip
It allows them to discriminate and virtue signal at the same time
As many have pointed out we have a rather large infestation of maskholes who are enjoying New Covidia PLC

If someone’s health is that poor, then why are they outside?

Should be behind the sofa

Zealot logic
“if people are terrified of diseases then why are they outside?

It’s all our fault… Covid lockdown rule breakers could ‘make pandemic longer’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55754961

Yes, the evil rule breakers are simultaneously a tiny minority and responsible for every incidence of respiratory virus in the country.

People who lap this up are idiots.

This: https://www.thinkscotland.org/thinkbusiness/articles.html?read_full=14413

Sorry for the second guardian link, maybe there should be a three strike rule. However this is interesting. So when they changed the dose strategy for the vaccine, it was obviously upsetting to many doctors who believe on having some data on safety and efficacy before injecting people with drugs. Instead, they decided they just had to “get over themselves”. This is what passes for the scientific method these days.

“But what about the sudden decision to offer just one dose, with a second 12 weeks later (probably)? Immunologists describe their visceral shock when the one-dose edict came down out of the blue from the chief medical officers and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation. Prof Deborah Dunn-Walters, chair of the British Society of Immunology’s expert advisory panel on Covid-19, says her committee was stunned: “As scientists we felt offended: after gazillions had been spent on vaccine trials, why throw it all away?” These scientists balked at approving a single dose without thorough trials and peer-reviewed results – and some still privately object. But in this deadly emergency, “I said we just have to get over ourselves” and by a narrow margin, the committee agreed to back the single dose.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/21/sweet-relief-vaccinated-not-return-normality-older-people-covid

Jeez. Throw away hundreds of years of developing rigorous scientific method and just “get over ourselves”. I’m sure we’re all reassured by that.

And let that be the exact phrase to greet the maskoids and police wondering why you’re not wearing a bacteria facilitater or wondering what you’re doing out of the house – “Get over yourself”

This disgrace of a country has a lot of peeps that need to do just that, and get out of my way.

We should not forget this outrageous decision, made on Dec 29/30. The JCVI offered no scientific evidence to support their decision to allow dose 2 up to 12 weeks after dose 1. Therefore, the decision was made for other reasons. We are still waiting to understand what that was.

These scientists need to shut up and get back in line. They’re clearly putting everybody at risk with their anti-vax “concerns”.

The doctors too. Closet Deniers.

Remember, anybody who questions anything is a danger to life.

Just when I thought I couldn’t be shocked anymore, this £500 payment for a positive test……what a complete fucking state this government is in. Do they not understand people are struggling to put food on the table, keep their homes warm, cancer patients are having tumours grow/spread because of delayed/cancelled treatment/surgery? Not to mention the the very long list of all the rest of collateral damage. Is money not better spent there? I really despair now.

Re: Today’s ‘Woke Gobbledygook’

I’m generally under the impression of none being more asleep than the woke. But when the latest political entertainment concerns itself with whether heads of state are woke, especially addled Creepy Joe presiding over the US imperium, I know for sure this is an utterly discredited term empty of meaning. I just hope more are awake than woke.

So I was chatting to a neighbour yesterday.
Neighbour:”.. oooh, and it’s getting worse now with this new variant, it’s all these people who don’t do as they’re told.”
Hoppy (exasperated): “No! I disagree! I think it’s very arrogant to think we can control evolution! Like all those idiot signs that went up a while ago saying ‘control the virus’! As if we can control life! We don’t even understand it properly! Life will find a way! If you clamp down only the really infectious strains will get through!!! It’s like saying, if only people in hospitals took more antibiotics, they’d stamp out all the hospital superbugs!”
Neighbour: (nodding in agreement) “Oh yes, all those people who take antibiotics for everything, even a cold, I’ve only taken antibiotics a few times in my life…”

… and for a moment I thought I was really getting somewhere…

…and then the next moment, I realised, no, even if the neighbour believes hospital superbugs are bred by people taking too many antibiotics, in a different, separate part of their brain, they will still, simultaneously, believe that if we clamp down hard enough on Covid it will stop evolving and disappear. You can’t reason with this sort of doublethink. In fact, to be fair, I’m sure we all do it, in one way or another, all the time.

Can you identify doublethink in your own thinking?

Well, yes and no.

Very witty.

Already posted

I’ve started using the phrase “like trying to keep smoke inside a birdcage” to describe how futile lockdowns are.

That’s a great analogy. Very useful, thanks.

The £500 for getting a positive test marks a new level of insanity, and a perverse incentive for people to actually go and catch the virus!

The issue now is not about presenting logic or facts to the authorities, since we are well beyond that point. It is now about figuring out how long bouts of hysteria last, since these are well known in history. I am thinking of:

Medieval Witch hunts
Jewish pogroms
The Reformation
The Killing Fields
The Holocaust
The Cultural Revolution

etc.

All of these have their roots in fear and hysteria, but what brought about their end? Do things have to get really out of hand before people see sense again?

We are in a time that can only be described as ‘post-fact’ where fear and conjecture rather than cost-benefit drive policy decisions. And it has gripped nearly all of the world.

What are the exit routes – and don’t say vaccine or lockdown because it won’t be either. I am thinking more when do people get weary, when does it burn out, when do other things take more importance? Human affairs swing in pendulums and we are surely close to the limits of this particular arc.

Not sure I’m articulating this very well, but I’m looking beyond all the scientific arguments to the anthropological and sociological for some answers. Any thoughts welcome from my brothers and sisters (since that is what you sceptics are to me now in this world).

The madness will end when enough people recognise it as madness. There are various routes to this, but currently the only one open to us is non-compliance. Every act of resistance is a victory and potentially opens the eyes of others. Recall, Rosa Parks’ act of defiance was simply to refuse to conform to a rule on a bus.

Ignore the rules.

All very interesting replies.

Yes, money is one constraint but the chatter now is of raising taxes on both sides of the Atlantic to deal with this. If you see ‘the rich’ as a source of consequence-free revenue, then they can fund a Zero-Covid policy for several years to come. That is a frightening thought.

I still like the idea of mass non-compliance but I fear like boiling frogs there is increasing acceptance. It takes energy to stay outraged and people are running out of steam.

I’ve been reading The Great Terror this week about Stalin’s purges of the 1930s. Enormous numbers of people willingly, eagerly, frantically even, participated in a process which they could clearly see would end in their own torture and execution. And it went on for years. Then again some bouts of madness pass in weeks. We can only keep going.

I too read the Great Terror, couple of weeks ago. Stalin pursued this ‘scientific’, societal self harm to the extent of risking national suicide, by purging 4/5 the of the generals, leaving Hitler a dumbed-down Russian army to steamroller. I followed ‘Terror’ with Conquest’s ‘Reflections on a ravaged century’. CENTURY! These ’bouts’ of ravaging can last a few lifetimes. Happy Friday!

Madness does not come cheap – it must be paid for.

The latest point when madness ends is therefore when the funds to finance it can no longer be found.

However, yes I think that covidianism can rightly be compared to fads and bouts of hysteria, the lifespans of which are driven by social dynamics.

When the money runs out.

The hysteria that gripped Rwanda in 1994 – which was hyped and maintained by relentless government sponsored radio broadcasting – lasted 100 days – with a few sporadic outbreaks there after.
Interesting that those who wielded machete’s on their neighbours and their children claimed they were victims of a kind of temporary overwhelming madness – a sickness – according to interviews with prisoners awaiting trial after the event.

Probably the most concentrated bout of mass murder in human history, and now widely forgotten.

“ the ever-present prospect of the emergence of new virus variants that can escape or weaken vaccine protection”

Which, of course, raises the question of ‘What protection?’, given that this has not been established – and can’t be – by definition – after such an inadequate testing programme.

The ‘variant’ scam is one that is going to keep on giving, isn’t it?

I’m understanding how my mum felt in her last months about waking up being painful, at least emotionally, and death not coming soon enough.

DRW that’s a very worrying statement. Please don’t despair. There is hope and a future, even when you can’t see it. Don’t give up, and don’t stop posting – we’re here and we care.

Seconded. Put bluntly, I need the connection I have here, which means I need you as well DRW.

I really do think we should start using a page out of the globalist book, and use the term “covidiot” to refer to lockdown nutters.

“ the management of COVID-19 to a similar place as we do seasonally, with the flu.”

… which bit of antipodean wisdom seems ignorant of the fact that this is not primarilily via vaccines of unknown and variable efficacy.

Just been speaking to a South African relative and gather there is a deadly bug in the Western Cape hospitals which is killing more people than Covid! Can anyone throw some light on this please?

How can anything kill more people than covid?

Yep fake news. COVID kills all.

Ask our government, they manage it with aplomb.

Look at the black on black crime stats and you will see the real killer

Sadly.

Probably Covid-21 the sequel. Life from now on.

ANCovid

First they said they had to lock us up because too many people will get it. Then they told the people they should pretend they’ve got it. Now they’re going to pay people to go and get it. Covid, the lamest Pandemic in history.

And who does this benefit (apart from the government itself in its never ending struggle to pan out the pandemic)? The small minority of people that are skiving working from home. Already on full pay (80% less their travel expenses is full pay) now every week they pop out to the testing centre and collect their £500 bonus so now they have a pay rise whilst most small business owners starve. Correct me if I am wrong this is a Tory government?

In name only. Fairly clear we’re run by shills, either for the CCP ot the Green movement. Not sure that there’s any difference tbh.

They have certain interests that align at present.

Also recall that the, “united front,” concept is a cornerstone of the CCP’s political warfare doctrine, and they apply it constantly.

According to Matt Hancock: “It’s about making sure that new variants that might not have been dealt with as effectively by the vaccine… don’t arrive and to stop them from coming.”
The slight flaw in this argument is that the new strains might arise in the UK. What will they do then? Keep everyone in full lockdown?
There will never be zero risk. Let’s get back to living our lives.

With regard to the moral panic article, it seems that for the past 5-6 years, we’ve been in constant moral panic. One wonders what triggered this… Maybe the rise of populism in the US? The British people daring to scrounge together some modicum of national pride?

Social media and the outrage mob’s it generates. Also doesn’t help, that by historical standards, life is pretty comfortable for a lot of people. They need to find something to struggle against, ever notice how its rarely the working class that are outraged…

Agree. I think this is also why these outrages are labelled as “First World Problems”

If you’re in the Third World, half the time your default position is staying alive and you wouldn’t have the time to think about what to get outraged or offended about.

IQ has been falling for decades for many reasons
This is it

Do you really think the moral panickers have low IQs?

Yes
Otherwise they would be able to reason

We’ve been in some or other moral panic for hundreds of years. I think a few things have accelerated it though in recent years:

• Proliferation of people educated far beyond their intelligence
• Media driven to clickbait hypersensationalism by Facebook and Google taking their ad revenues.
• Social media amplifies the clearest signal best, however far removed from reality that signal is.
• Children raised as being the centre of the world in an all must have prizes universe.

The Article today ‘Sage Should Not Exist’ begins with a quote “unanimity of opinion—”
I take that to read ‘consensus’.
Margaret Thatcher opined thus about ‘consensus’——–“The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies in search of something in which no one believes.”

I note that Will Jones continues his tendency of reporting Scary Fairy stuff about ‘infections’ – aka ‘cases’ – aka self-reported cold symptoms – without starting off with the obvious sceptical point that these are not validated indications of any illness.

Just a note on the “moral panic” article today. Excellent in general but it repeats the “paediatrician driven from home by mob” story.

In actual fact what happened was that a doctor came home to find someone had written “peedo” on her garage door while she was out. There was no mob, no pitchforks, no petrol bombs hurled through windows. Her neighbours were baffled, the police investigated but drew a blank and suspected a bad practical joke or a thick teenager. And it took place in Bridgend, South Wales (for some reason it always gets relocated to Essex in the popular imagination).

If anything, the “moral panic” in that case was about imaginary chav vigilante mobs.

Just type antifa.com into a web browser and see where it takes you.

You may be surprised!

Haha holy crap!

love it . someone has been clever in getting the domain name

The figures published by the governments own website – the office for national statistics, clearly show there is not and never has been a serious pandemic caused by coronavirus in the Uk. (see attached image)

Government and msm decrees that all information that disagrees with its current stance is ‘misinformation’ and therefore spread by conspiracy theorists.

The governments own website is therefore a conspiracy theory.

The government are therefore the conspirators.

All we need to do is to get this onto the front page of a newspaper – over to you for ideas!

People will just see the large crude figure for 2020 and call us murderers I’m afraid. But we have to cling to reason and keep going.

What this shows is that at a macro level we have a death rate of around 1% irrespecitive of the crap we do and rules we create. So this is a “Seatbelt” example

What’s not shown is what people die of as that tells a different story. I suspect eating better, socialising and exercising have positive effect. And if we moved to a reduced processed food econony maybe that number would start to dip. Maybe not but you know.

Hydroqualathingymajig and Inverwhatsit are very cheap drugs that have been widely used for decades, and are known to be completely safe – many Doctors have been screaming that these drugs, when used correctly, can considerably help suffers from covid survive. A cheap and effective treatment, and even if all these Dr’s and their studies are wrong, the drugs are completely safe.

So why were Doctors forbidden to use them? – we know it can’t be for safety reasons – the only reasonable reason left is that certain people were worried that they would be too effective for treating covid and, at the very least, were bad for business and profits.

There are decision makers who have deliberately sentenced thousands of people to death for their own gain. International criminal courts are going to have a field day at the end of this….

were bad for business and profits.

It has always been like that anything that. Follow the money. There are so many remedies / treatments out there for hundreds of ailments but they are very effectively censored. People are dying unnecessarily and could have been saved by cheap drugs / interventions

The recent trial of one of HCQ involved overdosing very ill covid patients and killing them. It was quite acceptable to these people to commit mass murder to protect profits and any other agenda there may be

What are the future implications of this profiteering? In times of 5% death rate with effective, cheap drugs available will the same pharma ghouls withdraw them?
It is a moral question for the souless, how much suffering and death will they be comfortable with.
Given the oaverall effects including and apart from the covid of/with deaths damage wrought to human life is uncalculated. Yet they profiteer.

Hope so

HCQ is a killer and anyone who even pops a pill will keel over
CNN said so

And, even worse, Donald Trump endorsed its use.

I think people in the US may soon see how ‘not dangerous’ Trump’s policies were, compared to Joe Biden’s…

Btw, anyone seen those photos of Joe B at the desk in the Oval Office, where there seems to be a car park visible outside? Which there is not… it is all garden outside the real Oval office. Is he on a film set?

Maybe the politicians of some countries have actually signed the dotted line for their citizens to be part of the clinical vaccine trials and legally can’t allow those cheap drugs to be used. I remember hearing that the shelves were cleared overnight in Australia of them.

Big Pharma is probably the most corrupt industry on the planet. They really have little interest in the actual health of the public, just in how much money they can squeeze out of them. Side-effects from that medication you’re on? No problem, just take this different drug to get rid of the side-effects! Their whole business model is based not on curing people but on making people dependent on their products for life. Of course, none of this matters as long as there as so many politicians willing to do their bidding for money.

Big Pharma were struggling. Covid provided the heaven sent gift.

Really not. Not for those who make drugs for those with cancer (fewer diagnoses), not for those who make drugs for skin conditions or mild bacterial infections (people not going to doctor for non-life threatening conditions), not for anyone relying on new diagnoses of just about anything other than COVID (HIV, RA, HRT…..ANYTHING). Even (surprisingly) vaccines….other than those for COVID, they just aren’t being done to the same extent – even the crucial paediatric ones.

Things that are doing well: asthma drugs (can help COVID patients), vitamins (especially vitamin D), and anything COVID related. Not many companies in these spaces, and a lot of the drugs used are old and generic and not big money spinners.

Both of these drugs are very well understood, at specified dosage levels they are remarkably safe. There is a risk of side effects, but these are very well understood, at those standard dosage levels.

The only real unkown is the efficacy of these drugs in treating this particlar virus. There is also the risk of an unknown and unexpected adverse effect to this specific virus, but that would have been noticed in Countries where these drugs have been used. Yes, there are risks, but if I was close to death and offered a possible treatment I would probably accept the risk.

There seems no rational or ethical reason not to use them for treatment of infections, or possibly as a prophylactic, as long as the dosage levels are well undersood.

All information here
https://c19ivermectin.com/

This virus has opened up a lot of possibilities for litigation when this is all over. From discrimination suits to side effects of vaccine and mask wearing, those dying from untreated illnesses and conditions, unfair dismissal, etc

Companies, governments and individuals should be afraid, be very afraid as lawyers are now circling like vultures around them.

Well just back from my twice weekly Tesco shop. Given the increased aggro I have resorted to wearing a mask even though by any interpretation of the law I am exempt for multiple reasons. This morning no less than two burly looking chaps at the entry. He gave me a good looking over, not sure what he was trying to say but had to lower my steamed up glasses to even see him. ‘Yes, I know your pain’ he commented, so maybe they also realise how stupid the rules are.

At the checkout, one of the women I have got to know well. She commented that I normally didn’t wear a mask and when I remarked that I am self exempt she tried to say that nobody can self exempt themselves and this is a private place so the management can do what they liked. It seems that her grandchildren had had the virus in a bad way so maybe I was on tricky ground.

Having got home I realised that not a single person had smiled to me or even said a cheery ‘good morning’. I used to go daily to that shop simply because I live by myself a nice cheery smile and chat made my day. Now it is an utterly miserable and upsetting experience and nobody seems to want to care.

I understand how you feel. Britain is a nation of people who smile at strangers – that’s not the case everywhere. I’ve felt so shutdown the last few months, and instead of looking at people and smiling with no mask, I’ve been mostly avoiding even looking at them.

Seems like the staff have been told to come out with the “this is a private place” spiel. Totally at odds with what I was told by the CEO’s office, that all you have to do is say “exempt” and that should be the end of the conversation.

“this is a private place” spiel.

Yes indeed. They are clearly breaching the Equalities Act – as mentioned a lot on LS is that it is the same as denying a black person entry due to their race even if it is regarded as a Private Place.

I wonder who told them to use it. And why, if I’m being given written assurances that I will not be refused entry, are other people having problems.

So’s my wallet. It only is opened for businesses I want to open it for. That wouldn’t be Tesco (or Aldi) now.

Maybe time to get home deliveries and just go out to open spaces. I do that, just forget about the shops, but having a walk its a real treat that no one, where I go at the coast, wears a muzzle and there are a lot of greetings. Shopping is a miserable experience and I decided a while ago to give it a miss.

Totally agree

Home deliveries are no silver bullet.

Your fresh produce (eggs, meat, dairy, fruit and veg) are being picked out of the pile by someone who doesn’t know you or give a shit about you or your perception of what is a ‘good’ piece of steak.

Indeed, and being on my own delivery charges and minimum order levels make it almost impossible. I like to decide what I need on a daily basis – and in fact today added a couple of things that had not even been on my list. As well as it being yet another cause of less interaction with real people.

Just back from a walk in the local park. Sadly quite a few totally masked up and going way off the paths to avoid me. At least the dogs acted as dogs do… Before lockdown I did both the London Loop and Capital Ring and those days out in London really made my day. Now all those are effectively on the back burner, I can’t even go on the train without being seen as an outcast.

But, Dave, you’re failing to recognise that all these people who fail to interact, look miserable and jump out of your way are doing it because they care about you!

Some of these staff are just making up their own policies. Large corporations don’t generally like staff doing that. I haven’t had any trouble in the multiple Tesco stores I have been in lately. I even got given a Tesco branded lanyard!

Complain.

Agree. Here is the e-mail address:

ceo.customerservice@tesco.com

Great. I’d strongly advise anybody who is mistreated to send an email to this address.

As we know, and as is even clearly displayed on posters at stores, this is not Tesco policy. It is the personal policy of overzealous staff.

Maybe one day it will become policy, but right now it is not. Nobody should be letting a few rogue staff members harass them.

Although I’ve had a missed call (on Wednesday) and a message saying they will write in response to my complaint I still do not have that response 9 days since I sent the complaint to Lloyd’s.

I have also been in Tesco regularly recently including yesterday lunchtime which is normally busy. Wasn’t even challenged yesterday but an ‘I am exempt’ has always sufficed.

That human contact is priceless, I know. I used to take joy in living in a place where I greeted everyone I passed, whether or not I knew them.

As an aside, most people have no certainty at all that what they or their family have had is ‘covid’. My sister and her family currently have ‘covid’, but what they have had is one positive test.

Vote with your feet

It’s not regarded in law as a private place. This is the definitely widely used by English Police/courts etc:
“Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.

Basically if a member of the public can typically just walk in somewhere (even if that involves paying) then it’s a public place. Doesn’t matter who owns the land.

I don’t disagree with you. Because you’re right.

But, on that basis, how do nightclubs discriminate? When the doorman won’t let someone in “because you’re fat” or “because you’re ugly”, or as one said to a friend of mine once at uni “not in that fucking horrible jumper, mate” (he wasn’t wrong about the jumper). Does it have to be a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act for it not to be discrimination? And being fat, or ugly or having bad dress sense don’t count?

Just curious.

You’ve just participated in your own enslavement. know the law, stay exempt, if anybody questions you again state the following.

I AM Exempt from wearing a face covering.

To insist that I disclose why is breach of SECTION 29 (5) (A) of the EQUALITY ACT 2010

To Deny me entry and/or services is breach of SECTION 13 (1) of the EQUALITY ACT 2010

A few days ago someone posted an image including that wording below a standard “I am exempt” image. I printed it out and laminated a few copies for myself and anyone who wanted one.

I have it in my hand at the local Sainsburys when I go in but so far saying that I’m exempt has meant that I’ve not had to use it

Here it is again

Went to Tescos myself this morning. Guy on the door asked me if I could wear a mask and I told him I was exempt and that was the end of it. It seems to vary from store to store how zealous they are over enforcing the muzzle wearing. Pretty depressing experience. Everyone including all the stuff were wearing masks. Previously quite a few of the cashiers would be maskless, now compliance is 100%.

I note that the item on the efficacy of the November lockdown contains this statement :

“ Our best reference point is the ONS series of COVID-19 related deaths by date of occurrence.”

This is categorically wrong, given what we know about the way in which ‘Covid related’ deaths are defined (the 28-day PCR nonsense).

The only reliable data we have is ONS all-cause mortality. We simply do not know the role of Covid-19.

I doubt ONS data supports the efficacy of the November lockdown. Interpreting regional (or national) epidemic curves is not straightforward.

In some regions (e.g. London) incidence was clearly declining before L2. In other regions there was a decline of the growth rate. This leads to a peak.

This is before we account for ~5 day incubation period. Initial infections probably peaked before L2.

I wasn’t arguing a contrary conclusion – quite the opposite, which I have firmly espoused since last April. Just picking up on the use of garbage data.

Yep. And we now have almost a year of the “experiment” and we have controls as well.

No significant effects of anything except mass hysteria

I no longer consider myself a lockdown sceptic (especially not now that vaccines are here), but your “What happened to Plan A” article shows that populist politicians have indeed been unfairly scapegoated for the dreadful response by Western countries to this pandemic.

Any honest zero-Covid advocate would have to admit that the problem wasn’t that Western politicians were unwilling to follow the science (for reasons of wanting to minimize economic damage and/or avoid unpopularity).

The problem was that the Western scientific establishment itself simply didn’t believe it was possible to contain a highly contagious respiratory epidemic, until China demonstrated that it could actually be done (and in doing so, ignited a worldwide moral panic).

Was their failure sort of like the insufficient lifeboats on the Titanic, which was down to maritime regulations written in a pre-radio era and which did not account for the new possibilities of rescue made possible by radio?

Do you actually believe that China “demonstrated it could be done”? You believe anything that comes out of the Chinese propaganda machine?

Our propaganda machine is doing a fair job of making people think there is a plague on. The OP pre-supposes the numbers of thoses who have a covid connection are reality – not intended as criticism of the op. All it takes is this or that propaganda machine to turn the hot or cold tap off or on.

It’s really simple.

It’s the Phantom Measurement. Invent something by giving it an official title, create a vague set of metrics and away you go.

I’m fairly confident that the real case and death numbers in China are about an order of magnitude higher than what they’re claiming, but that still makes them about as successful (per capita) as Australia or South Korea.

Australia quarantines and tests all of its repatriated citizens. When flights landed from the US, Europe or India there are almost always at least a few infected people on board, but not a single person returning from China has tested positive since last March (or February if we exclude Hong Kong).

By that point the only way China could have avoided exporting the virus (if it were still widely prevalent there) would be if they quarantined departing foreigners, and if they did this the foreigners involved would have ratted the Chinese out once they were back on home soil.

There seems no correlation in the Far East between measures taken and infection/death rates, which to me strongly suggests widespread pre-existing immunity among their populations, and/or a different strain to that which ended up in Europe and the Americas. As to New Zealand, its government imposed measures a couple of days after we did. Its government seems to be trying to claim the credit for its physical geography.

Agree that physical geography was a big part in the success of Australia and New Zealand, but note that Argentina failed to benefit similarly from its isolated southern location.

Australia and New Zealand are both islands. Argentina shares a land border with 5 other nations.

Although Uruguay has been surprisingly successful given it borders two countries (Argentina and Brazil) that both did very badly.

I also guess the UK’s island status is why zero-Covid zealots have more of a following here than they do in mainland Europe.

Could it be that they are using different Ct counts to measure cases? All the data are highly susceptible to being manipulated. It’s nigh on impossible to compare countries due to differences in lab accuracy/test sensitivity.

Clearly you know your stuff and have decided to roll your sleeves up and tackle the hardcore. Beats me why. The new orthodoxies of the establishment seem to require the stamping out of heretics rather than reasoned debate where scepticism is normal not a dirty word. Why do you feel the need to fight? You remind me with your Aussie repats from China tale of the christians who said that an exploding beetle was an anomaly that proved the existence of God. You have zeal and and shield of moral righteousness. Fine, go and hammer your obvious peers, Ioannidis, Kulldorf, etc. Firing chaff stats up pointing out discrepancies everywhere merely makes the case of incoherent data so rethink. It’s called science. Sorry to patronise but it’s what you are doing. It’s chaff (military sense). Occam’s Razor! Heard of it? It’s crucial here. None of the stats and country comparisons does anything except have us all chasing around for other facts to counter. The belief that there is an event that is out of the ordinary seasonal and longer term flu/pseudo-flu fluctuations is clearly foundational to you. Then all follows for you. There is nothing to see that cannot be explained by the old viral epidemiology. Viruses have single waves. All else is panic, sheer hysteria, ideology, our weather vane leader, inadequate regular NHS winter responses, earlier poor medical responses, throwing the elderly under buses, mild 2019, extreme testing, misuse of RT-PCRs, idiotic Ct, absent definitive diagnosis, abandonned death cert rigour, reassignment of flu to Covid etc. Extremely clever people convinced the sky is falling in. It’s Winter. Woo your lockdown is bringing the numbers down.
No, chuck. This is the annual pattern. Even if you were right, your measures trash our rights and our humanity, blight our children and KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOUR PSEUDO-FLU DOES. How many times do we have to repeat these simple facts things to get them into your very clever, deluded head. We start from facts here not beliefs. Right, I’m off to have my tea Good day to you.

Well put. thankyou

Oh I say, is that the bombardier beetle you mean? Said to be rather a problem for the molecule to man neo-Darwinists. Did they ever come up with a compelling response to it? (And I don’t mean of the amino acids to proteins type – ” but it could happen because those experts in statistical probability know nothing innit”).

No miracle so big that it can force people to believe in God. There isn’t supposed to be. Free will. From a philosophical point of view, I understand, there is no such thing as certainty, only cumulative probability. But we can get a fair idea of things by making an honest appraisal of the information available to us.

I wonder how it is that lockdown has now become acceptable to you due to vaccines that we have been told clearly and repeatedly will not lead to a relaxation of restrictions or avoid further lockdowns? Is there any limit, in your mind, to how long lockdown could go on for before you question its necessity and efficacy again?

I feel like I’m on a different planet to you. The last year has clearly demonstrated that it is not possible to contain a highly contagious respiratory epidemic.

China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand would disagree with you there.

And South Korea kept it bottled up for a long time, even though they eventually failed in December.

Do you not think there might be biggger confounding factors here.

South East Asia, Australia, NZ. India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and much of Africa get off relatively lightly – i.e. few cases& relatively very low mortality rate while Europe, South. Central & North America are hammered.

This, despite the fact that Peru introduced a strict military-imposed lockdown before a single death had been recorded. Peru were the first (or second) country to reach 1k deaths per million fatality rate.

Discuss….. and please include Belarus in your reply.

… and don’t forget Sweden … despite all the myths being spread about it.

Sweden enjoys similar advantages as the rest of Scandinavia: a well-funded health service (that had maintained good stockpiles of PPE), no problems with urban overcrowding, a culture that was already conducive to social distancing, and a lack of multigenerational households.

Sweden still did far worse than the rest of Scandinavia: not so much due to lack of lockdown as to abandoning test-and-trace fairly early on, as well as a more vulnerable elderly care set up (bigger care homes, more use of agency care workers). Immigrant communities in Sweden (especially Somalis) were also very badly hit largely due to cultural factors.

Ivor Cummins covered Sweden compared to its neighbours very well. in addition to the points you raised, Sweden had a low death count in the 18/19 flu season relative to Norway, leaving more elderly alive when COVID appeared and Finland has been fortifying certain foods with Vitamin D since 2003.

And the Oresund region. Different restrictions, similar IFR as I recall.

India, bangladesh and pakistan are all using HCG and Ivermectin. No lockdown in India at present.

People seem to throw NZ out as a model to follow rather than an outlier. No easy answers this way lies

Comparing New Zealand to the UK is completely ridiculous. It’s isolated from pretty much everywhere but Australia and has more sheep than people. Maybe if we towed the UK out to the middle of the South Pacific and got rid of about 90% of our population we could follow their example, but it’s not really the most practical solution.

And NZ is pretty easy to explain: very harsh lockdown which began with a number of cases that was small due to NZ’s inherent geographic advantages.

It’s the countries that had few cases and deaths, but without following an explicit policy of eradication — Japan, Norway, Finland and Uruguay — that are the really hard ones to explain.

I don’t believe that the Indian subcontinent, Indonesia and tropical Africa are doing that much better in containing the virus. They’re just suffering far fewer deaths because of their younger demographics: this doesn’t just mean that they have far fewer old and frail people (by the way, Swedish data shows very few excess deaths among the independently-living elderly: it was overwhelmingly those who live in care homes or depended on home help who were dying) but that those who do exist are far less likely to be dependent on institutional care.

Plus a lot of Africans are still subsistence farmers, and thus have hardly any contacts with the outside world that would get them infected in the first place.

Don’t know the details about Belarus, except that it’s interesting that this neo-Soviet dictatorship has a Covid response that is pretty much at the opposite extreme from those of the Asian communist regimes.

So if (against all the analysis) government NPIs are at the root of all these differences (rather than a range of other factors) – why has their extreme use in the UK resulted in no significant effect?

Our lockdown wasn’t the harshest in Europe by any means. That would be Spain, though it didn’t do them much good either.

The all-cause mortality would disagree with you. If more deaths per population occurred in 2008 than now why is 2020 suddenly magical?

Similarly if 64,000+ people die in Jan 2018 when no lockdown measures were ever contemplated and that was ACCEPTIBLE, then the bar for what is acceptable is actually very high?

Why has that changed?

Because you’ve been the subject of propaganda.

This is something that scientists and anyone doing experiments is constantly warned about.

The Jan 2018 figure was for England and Wales only. The UK figure was over 73,000.

Sorry it’s 2000 to 2003.

Did we in Europe and USA really do anything different to those countries in terms of lockdowns etc – why didn’t it work for us?

It would be really useful to know if there is a particular aspect in the NPIs that those countries have implemented which allows them to control the virus. I can’t really see what it is (apart from luck?) we seem to have attempted to replicate all the measures they have taken and then some. If you had written this message a few months ago you would have been praising Germany and Czechia for their approach. They have followed the playbook and look at them now.

Australia and New Zealand were primarily down to geographic good fortune (as mentioned above), while a key factor in the Asian success stories is their use of centralized quarantine, which Western governments didn’t dare introduce, presumably because it smacks too much of concentration camps.

They didn’t all react in the same way.

The main way in which Australia and New Zealand differ from Europe and the Americas is that they had far fewer cases at the point when they went into lockdown.

This is because they were favoured by geography: being isolated meant they were importing fewer cases (and I suspect in Australia the bushfires may also have helped by keeping the tourists away). And because they were in the southern hemisphere, the virus spread far more slowly in their pre-lockdown months (because it was summer).

Even so, it took very harsh and prolonged lockdowns (as well as locking all non-residents out of the country, and only letting a trickle of their own residents back in) that won them the success they achieved. Note that Argentina had similar geographical advantages to Australia and New Zealand, but totally blew it nonetheless.

Stange anothe 77th brigade posted those exact countries in exactly the same order. All distactorships or now prison colonies. Starnge how NZ banned anti-gen test in Feb last year, what were they hiding. Summer in oz and NZ lets see what winter brings.

Laughable. Yeah Vietnam managed this with what exactly? We’ve thrown the kitchen sink at the thing.

Pre existing immunity

Like Taiwan, Vietnam was in China’s immediate neighborhood, which meant they felt seriously threatened by the virus very early on — unlike Western countries, whose minimal cases of SARS in 2003 (Canada excepted) had lulled them into a false sense of security.

Also like Taiwan, Vietnam had been spying on China and thus knew just how contagious the new virus was when the CCP was still denying that human-to-human transmission took place.

Both Taiwan and Vietnam shut down international travel very early on (January 2020 for Taiwan, unsure of the exact date for Vietnam). Taiwan then mopped up the cases already in the country using the superb test-and-trace system they had set up in response to SARS.

Vietnam by contrast was a poor country that didn’t have this level of technological sophistication. To make up for their relative lack of testing capacity, they repurposed their communist police state to be able to track down people up to 5 degrees of separation from confirmed cases . They referred to them with code numbers from F0 to F5.

F0s (confirmed infected) were always hospitalized regardless of symptoms.
F1s (direct contacts of F0s) were quarantined in camps, as were many F2s (direct contacts of F1s). The remaining F2s as well as F3s (contacts of F2s) were mandated to self-isolate at home or in hotels, while self-isolation was recommended for F4s and F5s.

By May 1 2020 Vietnam had had just 270 cases (many flown in from overseas) but 70,000 stays in government quarantine facilities and 140,000 instances of hotel or home isolation.

Always good to hear different points of view. After the colossal damage that has been done (it’s only just getting started), I would find it hard to justify doing something like this again unless we were facing a plague-like threat, which we are not. It has been the longest 3 weeks of our lives.

You might become sceptical again when it is time to pay for all of this.

Hopefully, you have a safe job and no children to worry about, you own your main house outright and have safe pension funds / investments / savings – in this case you might just stand a chance. If not (like most of us) then good luck…

We locked down before China ‘demonstrated’ apart from brutality.

The decision to go into lockdown in the first place was driven by panic at what was happening in Italy (along with a good degree of Chinese social media propaganda), but it was the apparent success of Chinese suppression of the virus (in which centralized quarantine arguably played a greater role than the Wuhan lockdown per se) that led to the calls to do more than just keep infection rates just low enough not to overwhelm the health care system.

South Korea’s apparent success at containing the virus using test and trace was no doubt also influential, given that European countries generally looked to that (rather than full elimination) as their lockdown exit strategy.

I don’t care whether it’s possible or not to contain it. You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control. That’s unprecedented and completely insane. Give advice, put systems in place to allow vulnerable people to shield if they want and let everyone decide for themselves how much risk they are comfortable with.

Exactly. Basic rights and freedoms can’t just be turned on and off at the will of the government. There is no scenario in which lockdown is acceptable and if the threat was really that evident we would be doing it ourselves voluntarily anyway without legislation. Lockdown is a crime.

Lockdowns are also extremely expensive to the state (in furlough payments and lost tax revenue). Perhaps that’s why Western governments felt they could get away with imposing them (because they knew their publics would know there was a powerful incentive to lift them again once the danger was over), but they felt they couldn’t get away with introducing centralized quarantine?

“ You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control. That’s unprecedented and completely insane”

It’s peculiar how that needs restating, isn’t it?

It certainly is Rick and it shows how much the culture has been shifted these last 10 months.

Exactly
99.7% survival rate FFS
and don’t give me this long Covid bollox – any virus can have complications including the other Corona colds which are perfectly capable of bumping off 82 yr olds

So after almost a year of these policies, and politicians now suggesting that many of these restrictions will continue (or even tighten) after the vaccine roll out, you believe that the benefits outweigh the societal, health and economic costs?

How have you come to that conclusion?

Dunno about that: I just know that the vaccine rollout means there’s a stronger case for lockdown now .

Incidentally, I’m wondering what would have happened if zero-Covid zealots (not that the term was in widespread use at the time) had been in charge in March 2020, and had made it clear in their public messaging that their aim was to eliminate the virus, not just “flatten the curve”. What do people here think is the relative likelihood of the following outcomes:

1. Virus successfully eliminated, and the zero-Covid government receives the adulation of an overjoyed public.
2. Virus successfully eliminated, but the zero-Covid government goes down in infamy due to public being sickened by brutality of their measures
3. Zero-Covid government brought down by a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, as inability to sufficiently seal the borders means there is no way out of lockdown.
4. Zero-Covid government brought down by a mutiny among (police or military) enforcement personnel, sickened by what the government is ordering them to do.
5. Some other outcome I haven’t thought of yet?

How’s that vaccine working for you? Are you back to normal yet?

sorry, but dont believe a single word that emanates from China.