2021-01-22

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371480 LockdownTruth, replying to LockdownTruth, 14, #1 of 2114 🔗
371705 ▶▶ PWL, replying to LockdownTruth, 24, #2 of 2114 🔗

Folks, organise yourself and your neighbourhood, and then your community. That’s what they don’t want you to do because it’ll harm them more than the displaced activity they want you to waste your time in.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

371855 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to LockdownTruth, 2, #3 of 2114 🔗

I didn’t think they were that desperate for volunteers – applied to them previously, still awaiting any response from my email in November.

372266 ▶▶▶ Covid 19 Assembly, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #4 of 2114 🔗

Hi Stringfellow – sorry about that! We had a huge response to the last call for volunteers and have also been busy working on our site. We’re a small team so there were a few people we weren’t able to get back to. We’ll be reaching back out to everyone who contacted us last time shortly. (And just in case, if you’re still interested in helping out, feel free to email us again just in case we didn’t get your original email for some reason,)

372036 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to LockdownTruth, 5, #5 of 2114 🔗

I presume that a register is being compiled of local anti-Lockdown groups?? I’ve sent in an email adding ours if so – we are a West Wales local anti-Lockdown Facebook group.

372273 ▶▶▶ Covid 19 Assembly, replying to ElizaP, 2, #6 of 2114 🔗

Thanks Eliza – it is. We’ll be launching more content on our site soon and there will be tools and functionality to help people and groups organize. Stay tuned!

372668 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 2, #7 of 2114 🔗

Where do I find you?

372797 ▶▶▶▶ Covid 19 Assembly, replying to Annie, 2, #8 of 2114 🔗

We’re at https://www.covid19assembly.org/ (If the question was for us. I’m not sure where ElizaP is if the question is for her 😉

372909 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to ElizaP, 2, #9 of 2114 🔗

Eliza – I’ve looked for your group on Facebook using relevant terms and can’t find anything…Please post the link!

373557 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ElizaP, #10 of 2114 🔗

Are they likely to be infiltrated though, and are any precautions necessary? that’s what worries me ( and we all know, I presume the horror stories that have happened to other sorts of campaign group). I don’t want to risk making any trouble for my anti-lockdown friends…

371481 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #11 of 2114 🔗

AAAAARRRGH quick look at the headline and I might not be able to come back to the UK – again!!!

Also 2nd today

371483 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 25, #12 of 2114 🔗

A rush for the podium again! 🙂

But – they are saying new vaccines will be necessary, current vaccines may be less effective/ineffective against already existing variants – could it be that they are slowly moving towards what some have said for a while – that you can’t beat a coronavirus with vaccines?

371494 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Hugh, 13, #13 of 2114 🔗

Biden Inauguration a DISASTER as Steve Bannon Predicts Trump will WIN in 2024!!!

Three times as many people watched Trump’s departure speech than watch Biden Inauguration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfRzF6jF3o

Dr. Steve Turle

371508 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #14 of 2114 🔗

Peking Bidden

372900 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Hugh, #15 of 2114 🔗

Joseph Stealin

373559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JayBee, #16 of 2114 🔗

very good!

371922 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #17 of 2114 🔗

Attendance at rallies is meaningless otherwise Michael Foot would have won in 1983 & Corbyn in 2017 & 2019.

372365 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to frankfrankly, #18 of 2114 🔗

Clearly Foot and Corbyn weren’t in charge of the vote counts….

372189 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #19 of 2114 🔗

I looked at the right hand bar on youtube and there was one video for Biden’s inauguration, the other for Trump’s departure speech. The count was 200,000 for Biden, 5,000,000 for Trump.

371496 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Hugh, 44, #20 of 2114 🔗

Lockdown Stories: We lost everything | 21-Jan-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWnR296tNPo&list=WL&index=44

A talkRADIO listener has shared his story of how the lockdown restrictions have impacted him and his family, and what he has done to try and turn his life around.

Rory Green started 2020 with a new job and a “miracle baby” on the way, but once first lockdown was imposed he could not start work and was forced onto Universal Credit. His wife also lost work as a speech and language therapist. The couple also lost their unborn child: “We lost pretty much everything… It was a rough start to the year.”

While grieving for that loss, his step-sister, an NHS doctor, committed suicide.

“It had a lot of impact on my mental health. I struggled with suicidal thoughts. I’m an upbeat guy, but I got to a point in my life where I had to make a decision… I need to do something about this. Either goes into destruction or into life.”

Rory setup Enlighten the Shadows, a YouTube channel to help men cope with mental health issues.

371778 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #21 of 2114 🔗

What a shame that mouthy that piss Morgan does not have this on his show. Would he tell him to man up and take one for the team?

371751 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Hugh, #22 of 2114 🔗

But you can sure make a tonne of money, especially if it’s an annual one.

372357 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Hugh, 1, #23 of 2114 🔗

No. They’re moving towards permanent restrictions and lockdowns.

373560 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to LMS2, 1, #24 of 2114 🔗

oh dear. let’s hope the restrictions don’t include on elections or it really might be time for something else

373585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, #25 of 2114 🔗

Guaranteed. It’s so much easier to cheat during mail in voting 🙄

373586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #26 of 2114 🔗

Got to be one of our goals – an end to mass mail in voting, and an end to the involvement of big tech in elections. Make it simple cross on a piece of paper

373587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, #27 of 2114 🔗

THAT is a great reset I can live with!

371493 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #28 of 2114 🔗

PUBS Great Reset, Wetherspoons Buys Up ‘Broke’ Pubs / Hugo Talks #lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22T2cTBkrEw&list=WL&index=41

371499 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #29 of 2114 🔗

That has nothing to do with a “Great Reset” – it’s very much the old Wetherspoons normal.

371539 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #30 of 2114 🔗

Yeah, common sense and a “can do” attitude.
With thanks to Richard Tice (Reform UK) for quote.

372373 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #31 of 2114 🔗

In this instance, it’s just a slogan,or maybe getting us used to a Great Reset, which is what this all appears to be.

373460 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #32 of 2114 🔗

Apologies for using this comment of Yours, but there are so many comments that I am glad I found this one. I am using “Multipolar Magazin” and they had this on their Telegram channel:

https://2020news.de/bestatter-spricht-tacheles-wo-corona-drauf-steht-ist-oft-nicht-corona-drin/

Maybe You could translate it? You might be faster than me…
But it is a pretty disturbing revelation – considering the suffering and pain the Merkel regime has been and still is creating.

371495 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #33 of 2114 🔗

Woman’s severe reaction to Pfizer COVID vaccine prompts investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf6NDIiE3Tw&list=WL&index=40

Fears over the vaccine’s safety were prompted by a video of a woman suffering convulsions after receiving a Pfizer coronavirus jab in Louisiana. In an exclusive interview with RT, Brant Griner, son of the affected person, says that she hadn’t experienced any health issues before taking the shot, and added that the response he’d received to his video about it suggests his mum’s case isn’t a one-off.

371556 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #34 of 2114 🔗

My friend was telling me that his brother, long time HGV driver until well into his 70’s had blacked out at the wheel of his car. He has been told that he has an underlying heart condition, that has never been detected. To drive a HGV in later life you need regular check ups. I found it strange as he is not overweight and has been pretty fit all his life. I asked if he had had the vaccine. Apparently he had.

371573 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Marg, 14, #35 of 2114 🔗

I had some bad news yesterday, my best friends Mum in hospital with a bleed on the brain and is not expected to survive the weekend. Okay she is 87 and things happen but she did have the Pfizer vaccine on New years Eve.

371482 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 11, #36 of 2114 🔗

Like I said, looks like people who don’t take the vaccine(s) won’t be able to travel where they want any time soon. (“Indefinite travel restrictions).

371491 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Hugh, 69, #37 of 2114 🔗

With the WHO acknowledging the high false positive rate of PCR tests, I’m wondering if the wheels are about to fall off this bitch. It might not ever come to travel restrictions.

Besides, whatever delusions the politicians have, they don’t own the country, or the people in it.

371503 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GrannySlayer, 17, #38 of 2114 🔗

Correct.

371572 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to GrannySlayer, 13, #40 of 2114 🔗

Oh but they do.
They own all of us.
Especially if the majority are clamouring to be treated like slaves.

371592 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to stewart, 14, #41 of 2114 🔗

Yes, which is one of the most puzzling aspects of all this.

373562 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to stewart, #42 of 2114 🔗

I used to think we had rights…

372913 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #43 of 2114 🔗

I think most DT moron commentators who support the hotel quarantines are firmly convinced that it’ll only be for furreinas.
As with Brexit, they’ll be in for a surprise.

371506 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 27, #44 of 2114 🔗

Much that should worry us if nobody is allowed to travel. Except, of course, illegal immigrants on rafts.

371516 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 20, #45 of 2114 🔗

I don’t understand why any of those illegal immigrants would now want to risk everything to come to a dystopian hell hole like this

371522 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 22, #46 of 2114 🔗

You get free food, free housing, free everything. It’s a comfortable dystopian hellhole.

371670 ▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Annie, 8, #47 of 2114 🔗

I see increasing numbers of Brits welcoming the immigrants and hopping in their boats, rowing a mile out to sea and then coming back pretending to be immigrants.

371525 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #48 of 2114 🔗

Their alternatives are even worse poor bastards so they risk death and slavery if they make it.

371673 ▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 8, #49 of 2114 🔗

In France?

371732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Norman, 8, #50 of 2114 🔗

Haha exactly! They could have stopped in any of the 12 countries they passed through to the get to the UK.

371879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Norman, 3, #51 of 2114 🔗

I was thinking of the ones who have mortgaged their lives for a package deal from sub Saharan Africa or similar. Doesn’t really apply to Channel hoppers I tend to agree.

372050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Norman, 3, #52 of 2114 🔗

I believe France is under-populated too? That’s off the top of my head – without going off to check figures on that. But, as we know, we are VERY overpopulated.

373566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ElizaP, 1, #53 of 2114 🔗

France is underpopulated, we are underpopulated. Overpopulation is a myth of the eugenicists and malthusians. Our problems are localised and due to bad government. Same as Ethiopia in the 1980’s wasn’t due to overpopulation (and by the way, quite a lot of that live aid money didn’t get to the starving people from what I heard).

371796 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 12, #54 of 2114 🔗

They’re the wealthier people from the countries they travel from. The poor bastards are the ones who stay behind to pick up the pieces of a broken country, destroyed usually by our military force under the pretence of a tyrannical leader.

Ah yes. Takes me back to the days when our politicians and media used their awful lies to ruin and murder people over-seas, far away from ourselves.

371892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to J4mes, -2, #55 of 2114 🔗

I was thinking of those mortgaging their futures to traffickers and gang masters rather than the ‘yacht people’.

372650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to J4mes, 2, #56 of 2114 🔗

We could be the asset-stripped masses in a broken country under a tyrannical leader ourselves in the not too distant future if the full plan goes ahead

373568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to jos, #57 of 2114 🔗

Is there really any alternative?

There is no
M agic
M oney
T ree/
M odern
M onetary
T heory

372675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to J4mes, 4, #58 of 2114 🔗

And the vast majority of them are young men. Very few women.
Our local illegals’ home from home (exclusively for young men) is apparently going to close, after about four months.It isn’t fit for immigrants to live in, though it was fine for squaddies in former days.
The problem seems to be that the loos have got blocked. Appalling crisis. So everybody moves out.

371557 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #59 of 2114 🔗

Because continental Europe is even worse of a hell hole than the UK?

372568 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #60 of 2114 🔗

Because most continental countries (unlike the UK) have compulsory ID cards, which make it far more difficult to work illegally without being caught.

373569 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bart Simpson, #61 of 2114 🔗

“Paris est une ville sale”

Perhaps Camus had a point

372559 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #62 of 2114 🔗

Illegal immigrants come here because (unlike continental European countries) we don’t have compulsory ID cards, which means it’s a lot easier to work illegally here than in mainland Europe without being caught and deported.

Plus there’s the fact that English is now the world’s second language…

373570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to GCarty80, #63 of 2114 🔗

Is that why there are 10,000 plus slaves in Britain?

371588 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hugh, 14, #64 of 2114 🔗

Looks like people who DO take the vaccine (s) won’t be able to travel anywhere either.

371702 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #65 of 2114 🔗

Yip, Talk Radio asked the government, ‘If I have had the vaccine, travel abroad and then come back in to the country, do I have to isolate?’ Yes was the answer!!

So, what is this magic water for then? Doesn’t stop you from getting it, doesn’t stop you from dying of it. Am I missing something or is it just snake oil, that millions of people have bough in to under the lie that things will go back to normal. When, it is quite plain that they won’t.

372577 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to FlynnQuill, 2, #66 of 2114 🔗

It’s the Covid21 carrier that will force the next lockdown by assigning the illnesses it causes to a ‘new strain’ – it’s in the plan

372802 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FlynnQuill, 4, #67 of 2114 🔗

“So, what is this magic water for then?”

It is solely to enrich the bottom line of Big Pharma, the CEOs and their bought-paid-for placemen in regulatory/government agencies.

371486 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #68 of 2114 🔗

Love these reboots…

371874 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #69 of 2114 🔗

His film, Demolition Man, shows a future where ultra-clean, ultra sensitive people live above ground in a police state and below ground is the people who want to live normal free lives.

I was thinking about other films which strike a scary cored for what we’re experiencing. John Carpenter’s The Thing revolves around an alien that clones its human victims. But it’s the way the characters are forced to become hyper paranoid about one-another that really sticks out. The part when they’re all tied down and being tested to see who’s the alien makes me think of the rabid obsession with testing for C19.

Other Carpenter movies like They Live and Escape New York both have alarming similarities with our current and developing predicament.

371934 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to J4mes, 7, #70 of 2114 🔗

I haven’t watched the film Rollerball (1975) since its release but I recall what an impact it made on me. A lot of people, even today, regard it as simply a very graphic depiction of violent sport in a futuristic era; apart from the blood and gore, almost comic book. But I remember that, even though I was a relatively young age, I saw it for the allegorical messages it was conveying: one man’s fight against the controlling, manipulative and ruthless power of big corporations.

372325 ▶▶▶ EdT, replying to J4mes, 8, #71 of 2114 🔗

For me the movies that most align with our current situation are:

  • 12 Monkeys (obvious choice); particularly near the end when Bruce Willis’ character says “This part isn’t about the virus at all, is it? It’s about following orders. About doing what you’re told”
  • V For Vendetta; a virus (a bio weapon in fact) is used to destroy society and provide the pretext for a totalitarian regime.
  • Children Of Men; it’s never made explicit why the women of the world became infertile, but there’s a blink and you’ll miss it reference to a ‘flu pandemic’ in 2008, which is shortly before worldwide infertility began occurring. Not too much of an imaginative leap to think that maybe a flu vaccine was the cause…
373351 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to EdT, 1, #72 of 2114 🔗

One unerrated B movie is Virtual Nightmare, The Island and Logan’s Run natch..

373352 ▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Woden, #73 of 2114 🔗

Underrated indeed!

372522 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to J4mes, 4, #74 of 2114 🔗

All can be filed under ‘Predictive Programming’.

373485 ▶▶▶ Spectrasoul, replying to J4mes, #75 of 2114 🔗

Yep, if you want to wallow in lockdownism (as I kinda do) a few things to go at on Netflix:
Demolition Man
To The Lake
Falling Down
…for a kick off

373572 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to J4mes, #76 of 2114 🔗

is that the one with rat burgers?

371487 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #77 of 2114 🔗

A district judge in Weimar has acquitted a man ordered to pay a fine for breaching the Covid contact ban. Detailed report here, with my translation to follow.

https://2020news.de/amtsrichter-in-weimar-corona-vo-verfassungswidrig/

371488 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 38, #78 of 2114 🔗

A district judge in Weimar has acquitted a man ordered to pay a fine for breaching the Covid contact ban by celebrating his birthday with at least seven other participants from a total of eight households – six guests too many, according to the Thuringia Covid regulation. The judge’s verdict is damning: the Covid regulation is in breach of the constitution and can be appealed against in material law.

This is the first time a judge has engaged intensively with the medical facts, economic consequences and effects of specific policies.

Part of the Rechtstaat Principle [the principle of the state acting in accordance with the rule of law, NN] is the imperative of precision in legislation. Laws cannot simply impose across-the-board regulations, thereby affording authorities licence to act according to whim, which would amount to arbitrary rule.
According to the Federal Infection Protection Act, the “relevant authorities” are to impose “the requisite safety measures”. In normal times, this means that spreaders or persons suspected of spreading an infection may be isolated or contaminated areas closed off. The IPA does not envisage a general ban on contact also extending to healthy people. However – and this is the interpretation made by many administrative courts so far – it may be permissible to go beyond the purview of the IPA in the case of an “unprecedented event” that was so new that the legislator would have been unable to pass the necessary regulations in advance.

The judge rejects this pretext. As early as 2013, the Bundestag had access to a risk analysis conducted with the participation of the Robert Koch Institute, concerning a pandemic caused by a “SARS-type virus”, which described a scenario of 7.5 million (!) dead in Germany over a period of three years, and discussed anti-epidemic measures during such a pandemic (Bundestag publication 17/12051). The legislator was therefore able, in regard to such an event that was considered at least “conditionally probable” (occurrence probability class C), to study the provisions of the IPA and if necessary adjust them. This political failure, as a result of which Germany went into the pandemic virtually unprepared – without legal instruments governing control of the virus, without stocks of masks, PPE and medical equipment – cannot now lead to politicians’ simply closing a gap in legislation as they see fit. Particularly given that an epidemic situation, i.e. the basis for the expansion of the routine infection protection provisions, simply does not exist (or no longer exists). The numbers of those infected and showing symptoms were already falling in the spring. The lockdown thus came late and was generally ineffective.

At no time, therefore, has there been a concrete danger of the health service‘s being overwhelmed by a „wave“ of COVID-19 patients. As can be seen from the DIVI ICU register newly established on March 17, 2020, an average of at least 40% ICU beds in Germany were free at all times. In Thuringia, 378 beds were registered occupied on April 3, 36 of these with COVID-19 patients. Meanwhile there were 417 (!) beds vacant. On April 16, two days before the issuance of the regulation, 501 beds were registered occupied, 56 with COVID-19 patients, and 528 (!) beds were vacant … The Thuringia registered its highest number of notified COVID-19 patients in spring at 63 (on April 28). Thus, at no time did the number of COVID-19 patients reach a level that could have justified fears of the healthcare system’s being overwhelmed.

This estimate of the actual dangers from COVID-19 in the spring of 2020 is confirmed by an evaluation of settlement data from 421 clinics belonging to Initiative Qualitätsmedizin, which found that the number of SARI cases (severe acute respiratory infection) treated as in-patients in Germany in the first half of 2020 was 187,174 – lower (!) than the figure for the first half of 2019 (221,841 cases), even though this figure included those SARI cases caused by COVID. The same analysis showed the numbers of ICU and respirator cases lower in the first half of 2020 than in 2019.

Mortality statistics show a similar picture. According to a special evaluation by the Federal Office of Statistics, 484,429 people died in Germany in the first half of 2020, compared to 479,415 in the first half of 2019, 501,391 in 2018, 488,147 in 2017 and 461,055 in 2016. 2017 and 2018 thus produced more deaths in the first half of the year than 2020.

[…]

371489 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 39, #79 of 2114 🔗

The terrifying forecasts that exerted a crucial influence on lockdown in the spring were also based on false assessments of the lethality of the virus (infection fatality rate, IFR) and of existing or absent basic immunity to the virus in the population. According to a metastudy by the medical scientist and statistician John Ioannidis (one of the most-cited scientists in the world) that was published in a WHO bulletin in October, the median IFR is 0.27%, corrected to 0.23 %, and thus no higher than in a moderately severe influenza epidemic.

The judge concluded that there were no “unacceptable gaps in protection” that could have justified recourse to across-the-board regulations. These measures therefore “violate human dignity guaranteed inviolable” in Article 1, Paragraph 1 of the Federal Constitution. This is a devastating accusation against the Federal Government. It is striking how coldly the Weimar judge concluded this months-long discussion:

“A general ban on contacts is a severe intervention in civic rights. It is among the fundamental liberties of the individual in a free society to determine for himself or herself with whom (on presumption of consent) and under what circumstances he or she will make contact. Free encounter among people for all imaginable purposes is also a fundamental basis for society. The obligation of the state here is categorically to refrain from all intervention that purposefully regulates and limits this. Questions of how many people a citizen may invite to his home or how many people a citizen may meet in a public place to go for a walk, play sports, shop or sit on a park bench are categorically of no legitimate interest to the state.”

In imposing a general ban on contact, the state – albeit with good intentions – attacks the foundations of society by imposing physical distance between citizens (‘social distancing’). No one, even in January 2020, could have imagined, in Germany, being prevented by the state on pain of a fine from inviting their parents to their own home without banishing other family members from the house for the time they were there. No one could have imagined being forbidden to sit with three friends on a park bench. Never before in Germany [!!!!!!!!!!!! – NN] has the state come up with the idea of imposing such measures to counter an epidemic. Even the risk analysis ‘Pandemic caused by SARS-type virus’ (Bundestag publication 17/12051), which described a scenario of 7.5 million dead, does not consider a general ban on contacts (or bans on leaving the home or the general suspension of public life). Apart from the quarantining and segregation of infected individuals, the only anti-epidemic measures it discusses are school closures, the cancellation of mass events and the issue of hygiene recommendations (BT 17/12051, p. 61f).”

Much of the public has now almost come to terms with the new normal. However, as the judge points out, the life that was previously considered ‘normal’ has now been reinterpreted as a crime. “Although it appears that a shift in values has taken place over the months of the Covid crisis, with the consequence that many people find procedures that were formerly considered absolutely exceptional more or less ‘normal’ – which of course also alters perspectives on the constitution – there should be no doubt that by imposing a general ban on contacts, the democratic Rechsstaat [state under the rule of law, NN] has broken what was previously seen as a self-evident taboo.

“It must also be noted – as an aspect worthy of special consideration – that the state, in imposing its general ban on contacts with the aim of protection against infection, treats every citizen as a potential threat to the health of third parties. If every citizen is seen as a threat from which others must be protected, that citizen is also robbed of the possibility of deciding what risks to take – which is a fundamental freedom. A citizen’s choice of visiting a cafe or a bar in the evening and running the risk of a respiratory infection for the sake of social interaction and pleasure in life, or of exercising caution because she has a weakened immune system and therefore prefers to stay at home, is removed under the provisions of a general ban on contacts.“

The district judge undertakes meticulous examination of studies showing how ineffective the general ban on contacts is. He weighs the limitations on freedom against the fact that protection has been neglected in care homes, while the less seriously threatened population is no longer allowed into the streets.

[…]

371490 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 92, #80 of 2114 🔗

The judge also considers the collateral damage of the lockdown rulings, which is now becoming ever more massively apparent.
1. Profit setbacks, losses incurred by businesses, traders and freelance professionals as direct consequences of the restrictions imposed on their liberties;
2. Profit setbacks, losses incurred by businesses, traders and freelance professionals as indirect consequences of lockdown measures (e.g. losses to suppliers of directly-affected businesses; losses resulting from the breakdown of supply chains leading, for example, to production stops; losses resulting from travel restrictions) ;
3. Wage and salary losses from curtailed hours or unemployment
4. Bankruptcies and destruction of livelihood
5. Consequential costs of bankruptcies and destruction of livelihood

The data basis of the analysis comes from an expert opinion by Prof. Murswiek. During the summer, he criticised the March lockdown for having been, in part, inconsistent with the constitution. General bans on assembly he also considered irreconcilable with the Federal Constitution. Above all, though, he accused the federal government of having made decisions without verifiable bodies of facts and of having failed to present a cost-benefit analysis.

Devastating consequences of Covid policies

“Most of this damage can be ascertained in reasonable detail. Seen as a whole, it is certainly gigantic. An idea of the scale of the damage can be obtained by considering the sums of money poured by the state into the economy as Covid aid. The ‘Corona Protective Shield’ ordered by the government, for example, included EUR 353.3 billion in subsidies and a further EUR 819.7 billion in guarantees – over a trillion Euros in total. As the federal government itself said, this is the largest aid package in the history of Germany. The federal states are also receiving aid. Because state aid is mostly in the form of credits or credit guarantees, it does not necessarily equate to high losses to the private economy. But private losses will in any case dwarf state compensation or aid paid as lost subsidies.

“Never before in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany have economic losses of this order been caused by a government decision. As for the estimation of damage to the private economy and private households, it must be borne in mind that some losses have been or will be compensated by the state. So state activity mitigates the economic damage to private economic subjects. But it does not mitigate the overall damage to the national economy, because it puts a burden on the public purse, and thus ultimately on the taxpayer. These costs must not be swept under the carpet in assessing the negative effects of lockdown.”

The judge lists and provides evidence for the following further consequences:

1. The increase in domestic violence against women and children.
2. The increase in depression arising from social isolation, fear psychoses, fear pathologies arising from Covid
3. Anxiety and other psychological disturbances and nervous exhaustion arising from family, personal and professional problems caused by lockdown
4. The increase in suicides, causes including unemployment and insolvency
5. Health impact caused by lack of mobility
6. Cancellation of operations and in-patient treatment because hospital beds are reserved for covid patients
7. Cancellation of operations, in-patient treatments, doctor visits because patients fear catching Covid-19.

The judge’s summing-up packs a punch. In another point, he also refers to the damage being done in many southern countries that are economically dependent on Germany:

“In the light of all this, there can be no doubt that the number of deaths attributable to the measures of lockdown policy will far exceed the number of deaths prevented by lockdown. For this reason alone, the norms I scrutinise today do not meet the requirement of proportionality. Added to this are the direct and indirect limitations on freedom, the gigantic financial damage, the immense damage to health and mentalities. The word ‘disproportionate’ is too pale even to suggest the dimensions of these events. The policy of lockdown, the key component of which is the general ban on contacts, which the state government [of Thuringia] pursued last spring, and again now, is a catastrophic political error with dramatic consequences for virtually all spheres of human life, society, the state and the countries of the global south.”

371505 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #81 of 2114 🔗

Thank you! Made my day!

371507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 32, #82 of 2114 🔗

A judge with integrity.,The one righteous person.

372816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 3, #83 of 2114 🔗

Soon to come down with a fatal dose of covid, too late to be protected by a vaccine?

Covidicided with two vaccine shots to the back of the head.

371512 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 36, #84 of 2114 🔗

The policy of lockdown…is a catastrophic political error with dramatic consequences

Something that ought to be obvious to any rational person.

371514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #85 of 2114 🔗

It’ll end up making the 30’s look tame if we don’t look out

371520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #86 of 2114 🔗

It is obvious to any rational person.

371521 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 19, #87 of 2114 🔗

Thank you NN, my German no longer (if ever) up to it. Should be read by all, particularly odious lickspittles and running dogs like Neil O’Brien (MP!).

371528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 9, #88 of 2114 🔗

MP in his case stands for Massive Prat.

371599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #89 of 2114 🔗

A NOB MP

371538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #90 of 2114 🔗

Wow thanks for that NN. Some good news at last

371547 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 47, #91 of 2114 🔗

Interesting that a German court takes this view, which appears to have been rejected in the UK system. (Incredibly, the Dolan judge got his info from the BBC – downright lazy, at the very best.)

But what’s especially interesting is how this. ruling might appertain to the case being headed by Reiner Fuellmich et al against Drosten and the PCR tests. Highly encouraging I would say.

The pressure is building.

372740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to TJN, 2, #92 of 2114 🔗

UN changed the PCR rules, I reckon as a direct result of the threat of legal action against them as individuals.

372832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to iansn, 3, #93 of 2114 🔗

Surely you mean the WHO, an organisation with no connection to the UN, other tapping it as a source of funding.

371565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #94 of 2114 🔗

Great post and interesting that this judge has taken a nuanced view of the collateral damage that lockdown has caused.

Meanwhile here in the UK……

ZZZZZZZZZZZ…….

371578 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #95 of 2114 🔗

The UK doesn’t have a constitution in the same way.

An act of parliament passed with a simple majority can in effect cancel any right or freedom.

In many European countries fines are uncollectible because the covid laws are ultimately in breach of constitutions which stand above the regulations and protect rights.

The UK is not the free country everyone assumed.

371625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to stewart, 21, #96 of 2114 🔗

And the much-vaunted “unwritten constitution” proves not to be worth the paper it isn’t written on.

371986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to stewart, 8, #97 of 2114 🔗

We have the wonderful Human Rights Act. But it seems it can be selelectively set aside by the Establishment so it is worthless, in fact worse than useless.

371635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #98 of 2114 🔗

My hero poster of the day!

371952 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #99 of 2114 🔗

Sorry, I replied to part one before I read the other parts. I ejaculated a bit prematurely but I was very excited! This is the first good news for God knows how long! My points still stand but add to them the diligence and moral fortitude of this judge. Do I dare to see a light at the end of the tunnel?

372146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #100 of 2114 🔗

Thank you so much for writing such a long post and doing the translation (with the help of the internet.)
I came across this in a comment on a YT video.
Hopefully this will be widely distributed and picked up by AM in Germany.

372220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Silke David, 14, #101 of 2114 🔗

Thank you. I should point out that I am a professional translator, so I didn’t need to make use of online translation tools, which don’t really get to the heart of texts like these anyway.

372539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #102 of 2114 🔗

Vielen Dank! When I first read the article about this judgement in German, it created a moment of elation – so important in this time of obvious deceit and Merkelation, eh, manipulation. What a degenerate person she is. May she share Mussolini’s fate for the devastation she is still reaking on the population with the support of the ‘greens’.

372544 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #103 of 2114 🔗

More good news (in German – but soon everywhere!):

WHO ends the pandemic:

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/who_beendet_epidemische_lage_von_nationaler_tragweite

372617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #104 of 2114 🔗

That one is about the WHO suddenly deciding that PCR tests need to be verified, which is obviously important and welcome, but the headline that says it’s the WHO declaring the pandemic over is a bit overexcited, unfortunately.

372828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #105 of 2114 🔗

It must have been wishful interpretation on my part. Apologies. But personal history shows that I might just be a bit ahead of the actual event. 🙂

372874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #106 of 2114 🔗

On a second note, I visited the WHO website and to my amazement, the whole thing is soooo important and dramatic and tragic and dangerous – that the last update is from January 6th. What the actual one!

372872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #107 of 2114 🔗

SAGE ceased referring to a pandemic at their meeting 30 April 2020. Since then they only talk about an epidemic. So clearly SAGE regarded the pandemic as being essentially over by 30 April 2020.

Q: If there is no longer a pandemic, what are implications for emergency acceptance of ‘vaccines’?

371914 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #108 of 2114 🔗

Brilliant! This is possibly the result of 2 things, I think. Firstly, Germany has a written constitution and the “Grund Gesetz” – basic law – trumps everything and secondly a system of medicine run by insurance companies (making a profit, I presume!) using up to date statistical analysis, as insurance companies are want to do.

371555 ▶▶ itommo, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #109 of 2114 🔗

Reading your translation has made my day. Thank you for taking the time.

371561 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to itommo, 14, #110 of 2114 🔗

Got to be Post of the Day I would say. Many thanks.

371501 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #111 of 2114 🔗

The Inquisition have just released their Codex of Obfuscation and Character Assasination. Self appointed prime inquisitors include Sam Bowman and Neil O’Brien. They claim that it was written in their spare time as if it’s just for a bit of fun. I only had time to skim the first chapter – “99.5% survive Covid” and seems to be a lot of waffle to detract from the facts, a bit like a bad salesman might do when selling a turd. In this chapter they try to say that the IFR is different depending on what kind of spin they want to put on it. “The IFR is kept low because the disease is being suppressed” if it wasn’t they say then more people would die due to overflowing hospitals and result in a higher IFR. There’s a few other fudges they describe to try to show that the IFR might be worse than claimed. No mention of course that the IFR is calculated and published by official organisations.

I’m going to presume I’ll find the rest of the chapters full of much the same misdirection.

The true purpose of the Codex I believe is the kangaroo court trial of people they term Covid Sceptics. Each named defendent has been found guilty in absentia and a section on each lists claims that may have turned out to be incorrect (I’ve not looked yet). To quote “We try to use their own words to show that many of them are not reliable people to listen to.”

There may well be some claim for defamation here but I’ve not looked and am not an expert in legal matters.

I’m sure the named individuals (includes Toby) may want to take a good look at it.

https://www.covidfaq.co/

371509 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #112 of 2114 🔗

Natural,y, people such as the Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford are not reliable persons to listen to. Go to your local witch doctor instead.

371511 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 18, #113 of 2114 🔗

I still find it incomprehensible that Oxford professors should be treated as fake news conspiracy theorists who should be no platformed and have their comments banned from social media. Crazy – even if I am biased.

371582 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Hugh, 11, #114 of 2114 🔗

Especially by the likes of Neil O’Brien, career politician with a PPE (not exactly the scientific background to challenge S. Gupta).

373574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to stewart, 1, #115 of 2114 🔗

I also find it strange that so many politicians who have studied economics can still set about apparently bankrupting the country (and also gloss over the devastating economic consequences in the third world). Do any of them have a degree in (of?) common sense? from the university of Real Life?

373589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, #116 of 2114 🔗

They’re getting something out of it, fame, power, money or all of the above

373590 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, #117 of 2114 🔗

I have long considered that politicians ought to be forced to live in an o flat among ordinary hard working people. Possibly in Barnsley (or Otley). Maybe they would think twice about their mad power trips then, instead of their stuffing bubbles of group think among a self serving class of political ideologues – or is it just me?

371533 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 30, #118 of 2114 🔗

I have been reading the site. They really are shameless propagandists. For example, one page is devoted to the sceptics’ claim that the vaccines have been rushed. They deny this, at length, pretending the denial is a refutation. But the pretend refutation does not even acknowledge that the vaccines are still in the trial stage and have not been licensed. These are people who would say black is white, if it suited them.

371575 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #119 of 2114 🔗

It does suit them. They are saying it.And the zombies believe them. And two and two do make five.

371585 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #120 of 2114 🔗

That is actually dangerous misinformation.
I wonder whether they can be charged for it.

371630 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, 13, #121 of 2114 🔗

Apparently they have redefined misinformation, and it no longer means inaccurate information, but accurate information that the establishment do not want people to know.

371735 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #122 of 2114 🔗

The IFR is low because it is being suppressed? Utter nonsense. What is the point in having an IFR for anything if some unmeasureable action is having a significant impact on it? They are working from the assumption that an official IFR is simply deaths per infection. If that was the case, we wouldn’t need a Professor to work through it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v3.article-info

371818 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #123 of 2114 🔗

Its funny how if you are writing to praise lockdown and there effectiveness you are fine. No matter how illogical or with no qualifications to talk on the subject. Or the fact that you are a fucking know nothing mong. But Toby writes a balanced piece using actual scientific data about t-cell immunity and this gets pulled. Can’t one of you bods with a degree challenge the truth in this and the inaccuracy of the data with the same body that pulled Toby’s article? Ipso?

371504 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 9, #124 of 2114 🔗

Theme tunes suggested – “Please Release Me”.

I remember it from that Peter Kay John Smith’s advert – one of my favourite’s.

Live music, pubs, bingo nights – those were the days. Clickety click!

371799 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hugh, #125 of 2114 🔗

Its an Engleburt Humperdink song innit? (can’t wait to see what spell check makes of that, apologies if I spelt the great man’s name wrong)

373575 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Spikedee1, #126 of 2114 🔗

it is. I think I have the LP somewhere. (I suspect you did spell it wrong!)

371510 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 55, #127 of 2114 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/shutting-up-the-unspeakable-is-still-a-bad-idea/

From The Critic
The eager wait for the promised jab, is starting to resemble the mediaeval sale of indulgences, so effectively denounced by Martin Luther.

Rewards await those who join the legions of the safely jabbed.

An unquestioning belief in vaccine salvation seems to be implicit in the maintenance of lockdown adherence, while heretics – sceptics- are now increasingly derided and dismissed in the media.(See the article linked above.)

Try as I might, I’m struggling to withstand the creeping apathy ,despite my sporadic bursts of anger and dismay.

For many months I’ve observed the disappearance of wisdom, integrity, judgement, rationality , maturity and level headedness from our shouty, censorious, risk averse society.

Added to this, the control creep of the SNP cult and its divisive list of grievances which now dominate this run down , locked down dystopia.

Ghost Town indeed.

371515 ▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 61, #128 of 2114 🔗

Many groups in the past have been vilified, derided and persecuted for speaking the truth. It’s not surprising if they are dismayed and even recant.
But the truth is the truth. The sun does NOT go round the earth. Disease is NOT caused by a miasma. There is NO SUCH THING as ‘the ether’. Species are NOT immutable.The earth is NOT 4000+plus years old. Covid is NOT the greatest scourge ever visited on mankind.
If we are speaking the truth, no traducing on their side and no recanting on theirs will make THE SLIGHTEST DIFFERENCE.
Stick with the truth and shame the Devil. He needs a lot of shaming just now.

371524 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 22, #129 of 2114 🔗

Quite right Annie. Social stifling is being enforced by the Covid Inquisitors.

Proportionality has lost its place in governance and social life.

And I will never recant.

371570 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 15, #130 of 2114 🔗

Well said wendyk and Annie!

We will have to keep on hammering on as the Truth shall prevail!

373576 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bart Simpson, #131 of 2114 🔗

“truth – what is that?”

all these years latr, the question is still being debated!

371826 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, #132 of 2114 🔗

The earth us round? What! Ooh no this can’t be right. Mind you they did burn that poor bugger for for his astronomical observations.

372615 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Spikedee1, 11, #133 of 2114 🔗

If Galileo was alive today, Big Tech would have banned him for his findings.

373578 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Spikedee1, #134 of 2114 🔗

he was condemned for offering insufficient proof, as I recall

372896 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 7, #135 of 2114 🔗

Truth and lies have one thing in common – they are truth or lies no matter who says them.

Truth and lies have one major distinction – truth stands up to scrutiny. Lies require censorship, demonisation, torture etc to shield them.

371513 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 21, #136 of 2114 🔗

Why are people in Britain so afraid? This seems one of the major questions we have to answer relating to the current shambles. There is the propaganda, yes, pushed by vested interests, but I believe there are cultural reasons. People need to find their courage if they are to avoid this sort of thing in the future (“down with this sort of thing). Theree are courageous groups of people out there – what do they have in common? And which groups are cowering.

I think of that film, Dusk ‘Til Dawn , wher the preacher has to decide to be a “mean mmm…. man of God”. What can bring people to a similar resolve? what has gone wrong? what can turn this around? I want answers, and I want them yesterdie!

G’night!

371519 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 49, #137 of 2114 🔗

They are afraid of Death. Nothing in their upbringing and education has equipped them to deal with this ultimate fact of life. Which has made them unable to deal with life itself.
Living is the only cure. If you stop living, as the zombies have, there’s nothing left but death and the fear of it.
There’s a novel, ostensibly for children but worth anybody’s reading, called The Farthest Shore , by Ursula K. Le Guin. It’s set in an invented world, but it is realistic at the core. It’s about a magician who offers people an escape from death, but as a consequence they lose all pleasure in life and sink into hopeless passivity. Sound familiar?

371536 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annie, 5, #138 of 2114 🔗

https://hekint.org/2020/12/15/gulliver-at-luggnagg-learning-about-the-immortal-struldbrugs-abridged/

The new Struldbrugs are here; longevity at the expense of life as it should be lived.

371741 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Annie, 10, #139 of 2114 🔗

I’ve always looked forward to death. Not that I want to end things, but I am excited in a way to find out what the big fuss is all about.

Alan Watts has a good way of putting it. Do you rmemeber before you were born? No? Well, that’s what it’s like to die. You won’t remember this life. You’ll go back to wherever it was you came. To the beginning of the universe, because it was you who did that, only you.

https://youtu.be/5UjkPDG-SH4

372533 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #140 of 2114 🔗

“I’m not afraid of death; I just don’t want to be there when it happens.” ― Woody Allen

372421 ▶▶▶ EdT, replying to Annie, 10, #141 of 2114 🔗

I’ll echo that Annie – the sudden realisation (thanks to the weapons-grade fear spewed out by HMG) that we are mortal has shaken many to the core. In times past organised religion provided an emotional security blanket against the fact that we all must die at some point. But as religion (Christianity at least) has declined in the west so replacement security blanket has come along. I’m not a religious man, but I do acknowledge the role religion formerly played in blunting the sting of death.

So, most of the time most people don’t even think about their own mortality, but when forced to confront it they start behaving like children desperate to avoid some awful punishment. They start demanding that someone – anyone – save them from the man with the scythe. But no one can confer immortality on humanity, especially not those governments – like our own – who give the impression that they can.

The problem we sceptics face is that we’re adults in a world of children, outnumbered hundreds, if not thousands or tens of thousands, to one. The true believers in the cult of Covid may *appear* to be adults – they work, pay taxes, have kids – but they fail what I like to call Ed’s Test of Adulthood (might just copyright that ;-). ). This test has three criteria – all of which you must meet to be an adult:

  1. Acceptance of your own mortality. Your time here is finite and non-negotiable. Therefore you have an obligation to live the best life you can, which you can do by creating the most happiness and causing the least harm possible.
  2. Acceptance of responsibility for steering your own course. You’re an adult, do not look to others to be told what to do. Make your own decisions. Which leads us on to…
  3. Acceptance of accountability for the outcomes of your choices. They were your choices after all, do not seek to blame others for your mistakes.

In my experience very few meet all three criteria, and thus *real* adults are as rare as hens teeth. In my immediate circle only my wife, an old friend and my good self can tick all three boxes. Which is why I find this forum so refreshing – in. this place I’m surrounded by real adults, and mature discussion happens all the time.

371580 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 28, #142 of 2114 🔗

I think its narcissism and a massive sense of entitlement. I deserve to live at all costs because I’m worth it! People have forgotten that death is a part of life and its the quality NOT quantity of life that matters.

372066 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #143 of 2114 🔗

Absolutely – all these people there cowering in fear are totally ignoring the rights of the rest of us to get on with our lives as normal. Apparently they are the only ones that count – in their opinion. Now that’s what I call selfish – and shortsighted.

373579 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #144 of 2114 🔗

better to live well than live long. You’re right, this is such a narcissistic society we live in. From my point of view, it is a case of “do what you want” rather than “do what is right” driving too many people.

371600 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Hugh, 52, #145 of 2114 🔗

I have a theory based on anecdotal observation.

In general I see that people who are involved in physical labour of some sort tend to be more skeptic.

My sense, is that as our lives become ever more absorbed by the digital realm, we lose touch with the physical word and therefore the reality of the physical world.

If you are out and about in the world doing physical things any sense of danger evaporates. You can see and feel that there isn’t danger really. \

If you lock yourself at home and sit in front of a computer or TV you are essentially locked up inside your head where your sense of danger is more likely to increase (unless you are on here in which case your sense of anger is what increases).

So really, lockdowns are self-perpetuating. The more you do them, the more necessary people think they are.

371737 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stewart, 12, #146 of 2114 🔗

You make a good point. Social media has brought narcissism to the fore. Just look at Piers Morgan – he thinks he’s a God.

371854 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #147 of 2114 🔗

True. We had a look at our old holiday photos. Mostly of places with the occasional pictures with Mrs D and me or one of us in front of a landmark or nice view. My daughter had to change her phone and she was clearing down her photos. I would say 95% of the shots were of her in selfie mode with all the background smashed out. Our last cruise to the Med we were entering Venice. One of the most glorious views in the world. A city on the sea. Two very pretty girls were taking photos of each other at the front of the ship. Mostly selfies so no background or pouty sideways ass out shots taken low to make their legs look thin and taken quite close. The point is not once did they point their cameras at one of the wonders of the world or used it as a backdrop to their shots.

373581 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bella Donna, #148 of 2114 🔗

Yes, which is why I have mixed feelings about up ticks and down ticks

371762 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to stewart, 14, #149 of 2114 🔗

There may be some truth to what you say but may be a little generalised. I’m an IT network Engineer, so don’t do physical labour, unless I’m carrying a server somewhere. I’m a sceptic, so are all my colleagues and my wife, who is a pharmacist. So myself, my colleagues and wife don’t fall in to the physical labour model. However in a former life I served in the Army (Infantry) for six years in the late 80s early 90s. I know a hell of a lot about risk having walked the streets of Belfast during the troubles. The only thing that scares me is my wife dying, however we both have no fear of death; we are not religious, so don’t believe we are going to better place.

I have never once worried about the covid, the only thing I worried about at the beginning of this was the response by the government and the public. I said to my colleagues ‘The only thing we have to fear from covid, is fear itself’. How true these words have become!

There are many reasons why people are fearful of this so called pandemic. We live in a very narcissistic society, constant media pushing their scary agenda 24/7 with people addicted to it. Social Media, Woke snowflakes, a comfortable spoilt society, Health & Safety telling everyone they will die for the last thirty years, a very ignorant society, lack of critical thinking, etc, etc. Put all these together and it is easy to see why the weak minded are terrified.

373583 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to FlynnQuill, #150 of 2114 🔗

That story about a coast guard being told off by his bosses after rescuing a girl stuck on a cliff because he had broken health and safety procedures to do so, and he subsequently resigned – if I didn’t know before that something was seriously wrong in the country, I did after that.

Incidentally, we are being asked to do pretty much the same thing again – sacrifice the welfare of the young in the interests of health and safety – shameful!

371802 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stewart, 17, #151 of 2114 🔗

Spot on! My expert, self employed plumber has just finished repairing a radiator; no mask, cheerful, down to earth, sensible and thoroughly reliable.

The young window cleaners-2 brothers- who called earlier this week, are the same: they’ve both had a dose of the lurgy,as have their parents, but no fuss, no masks, cheerful and reliable.

These people run their own businesses, so cannot afford to indulge in lockdown hysteria.

They possess a work ethic and common sense which seems to have passed by our affluent politicians, advisors and media motor mouths.

373580 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to stewart, #152 of 2114 🔗

Ah. Which brings us back to my theory that people who do the more difficult mountain climbs and other activities with a genuine element of risk are likely to have a better sense of risk assessment and therefore can put the risk from a virus in its proper place

371607 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hugh, 31, #153 of 2114 🔗

I think that the majority of people are not so much afraid of the virus as of being thought badly of, or targeted and vilified or even ostracized by their fellows if they don’t follow the rules or say the right things. It’s an extension of Political Correctness. Going along to get along.

371654 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 22, #154 of 2114 🔗

It’s the village mentality – the fear of being shamed and ostracised if you go against the grain.

The Japanese have a saying for that – the nail that sticks out will get hammered.

371963 ▶▶▶▶ Suey, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #155 of 2114 🔗

The Danish Law of Jante is similar: no-one is better than the group; you’re not special; you’re not more important than anyone else. I think this – by different names – applies across Scandinavia.

372226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Suey, 2, #156 of 2114 🔗

Yep. Same across Asia too, in the Philippines if you’re a non-conformist you get laughed at and constantly told that you’re getting above yourself.

“Going Western” is a form of insult there.

373584 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #157 of 2114 🔗

Ah – so not being afraid to take an unpopular (but correct) view is a common denominator.

371517 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 39, #158 of 2114 🔗

The section atl about the pandemic plan that the government chucked in the bin, coupled with the witch hunting article shows us that this isn’t ending anytime soon.
It follows the pattern too closely of previous changes in society driven from the top down.

What was once the belief of the State a year ago is now denounced as heresy. Anyone holding to the previous view is not just a bit behind the times but is dangerously wrong and must be silenced.

The one being attacked reminds the attacker that they hold a position which was commonplace very recently.

“Bigot! Denier! Hater!”

Well, I’ve been there done that and got the t-shirt so I may as well stay as an enemy of the people.

371518 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 20, #159 of 2114 🔗

Take a good look at the people/sheeple and ask yourself if you want to be with them or against them.

371558 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 3, #160 of 2114 🔗

Quite.

371724 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Annie, 1, #161 of 2114 🔗

Exactly!

371526 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #162 of 2114 🔗

“Bigot-Denier-Hater” seems like a great T-shirt slogan. Wear one proudly.

371631 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Liewe, 2, #163 of 2114 🔗

Catchy, and it can grow like the LGBT acronym soup. Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic

371633 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Skippy, 3, #164 of 2114 🔗

Wasn’t Blake Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic the boyfriend of the late Amy Winehouse?

371916 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Skippy, #165 of 2114 🔗

BDHCD

Bigot-Denier-Hater-Cynic-Decapitator

Or is that too much?

371523 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 19, #166 of 2114 🔗

Oh well, can t say i m surprised the spineless useless woke tories done yet another cave in ! – this time brushing the hated bbc licence fee “reform” under the carpet.

Please roll on Reform Party UK – it is well past time to get rid of these tory c**ts !

371529 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 17, #167 of 2114 🔗

How are they spineless.The BBC have got their reward after becoming the propaganda arm of the government.
The back downs and u turns are a continuing feature of government policy but they are all going in the same direction.A full on police state.

371865 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #168 of 2114 🔗

I did that bbc survey yesterday, was great fun hammering them and giving them 1 out of 10. (0 was no opinion) it was fun being able to rant about their wokeness and their complete lack of a balanced debate on covid. Made me feel good.

372372 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #169 of 2114 🔗

I didn’t want to do it as they wanted my details and DoB and if there is one organisation i do not trust with that, it’s those fools.

371527 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 13, #170 of 2114 🔗

The PM’s difficulty with the question on Biden’s wokeness may be the result of briefings on how dim, corrupt and dishonest ’46’ is. Scott Adams’s take on the ‘Fine People’ hoax is worth a look (profanity advisory!). Biden’s lead role in the 1994 ‘Three strikes’ legislation (resulting in life sentences for marijuana possession for instance) and his history of prejudice against black Americans are shocking. The VP’s misdeeds as a prosecutor are pretty shocking too, almost as horrifying as her nervous cackle.

371806 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #171 of 2114 🔗

Biden is a nonce
Kamaltoe is a whore
business as usual in the USA

371899 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #172 of 2114 🔗

When you give people jobs on their status, race, beliefs and to tick a box you never end up with an effective team. The best person for the job. Kamala just happened to be a woman and a person of colour, two boxes ticked. The fact that she is a fucking useless politician, a terrible public speaker and corrupt has nothing to do with it. She was destroyed in the debates dropped out in the second round after being slaughtered by a really good politician Tulsi Gabbard who is an ex Vet who would have made a great VP.

371953 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #173 of 2114 🔗

Considering the makeup of Biden’s cabinet, it’s even more interesting that he chose a transphobe for VP – Harris, when California Attorney Gen, blocked surgery for trans prisoners.

Yes, you are totally right about her issues when prosecuting – one case she was publicly admonished in court for abuse of office & gross misconduct… Kern County CA, a defendant was on charges of attacking a young child; Harris introduced fake evidence and a falsified confession into court evidence. Defendant was obviously ordered immediately released. Harris continued the charade through to an appeals court, who attacked her conduct again. She claims she meant the whole thing as ‘a joke’. The defendant who was now free in society – immediately went and seriously assaulted a young minor child.

371530 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #174 of 2114 🔗

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/513265-school-kids-mental-health-covid/

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/non-binary-41st-scot-told-23362639

The second link is an indicator of another NHS conundrum; I won’t comment as I can’t find the words.

371531 ▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 5, #175 of 2114 🔗

I wanted to comment on the ultrafattie, but words failed me as well.

371595 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Annie, 1, #176 of 2114 🔗

hyperpork

371622 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #177 of 2114 🔗

As Pink Floyd might put have said: How can you have your man meat if you don’t stop eating your pudding?

371663 ▶▶ mj, replying to wendyk, 3, #178 of 2114 🔗

so the paper is complicit in referring to her as them . couple of questions. If she has gender reassignment and a mastectomy who would notice ? and why is the NHS even considering spending money on this.. Isnt this the sort of thing that Sumptions arguments were referencing .

371808 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mj, 1, #179 of 2114 🔗

Absolutely and how right he was.

371532 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 28, #180 of 2114 🔗

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said he is self-isolating after being alerted by the UK’s NHS Covid-19 app.

Covid: Health secretary Matt Hancock self-isolating after app alert – BBC News

Perhaps he should have followed his Government’s guidance to stay at home instead of playing football with his son in a London park last weekend.

Hypocrite…

371542 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to cloud6, 7, #181 of 2114 🔗

Perhaps somebody who spotted ‘Han’ nobly took one for the team. I hope so.

371553 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #182 of 2114 🔗

Interesting theory!

371554 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to cloud6, 29, #183 of 2114 🔗

But …. but… *splutter* he’s already HAD THE BLOODY THING!

Anyway, I won’t look a gifthorse in the mouth. May he self-isolate forever.

371568 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #184 of 2114 🔗

yes preferably 6 foot under

371690 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to cloud6, 1, #185 of 2114 🔗

Follow on from above : ancock has broken the law….

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020

Requirements on person notified of positive test for acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and close contacts of such persons.

2.—(1) This regulation applies where an adult is notified, other than by means of the NHS Covid 19 smartphone app developed and operated by the Secretary of State, by a person specified in paragraph (4)

Come on BoJo sack him or prosecute him?

371734 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to cloud6, 5, #186 of 2114 🔗

All part of the plan ,look at me I only went to the park and I caught it do as we say stay home and you’re be safe

371928 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #187 of 2114 🔗

Of course this is just politics. Look at me, I follow government guidelines when I am pinged!! Its all show. Nobody is following this track and trace bullshit as it does not work and the vast majority of this country does not have it on their phones.

371534 danny, replying to danny, 105, #188 of 2114 🔗

Neil Oliver put it succinctly in his talk radio interview this week when he talked of the “what’s the point” generation.
A world where even if lockdown ends for a summer, maybe even a year, is still a world where lockdowns are accepted and always on the horizon.
Every flu season, every variant of every disease, every time hospitals get busy. If we know that life and freedom will be curtailed at the click of a finger, then quite simply “what’s the point?”
I have maintained hope that once those people clamouring for an untested vaccine are satisfied, lockdown will vanish, but with each day now we see larger and larger numbers with the vaccine, but at the same time, longer and longer prophesies of eternal lockdown.

371545 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to danny, 9, #189 of 2114 🔗

in some future enquiry they will just have to go back to the normal pandemic plan

371562 ▶▶ alw, replying to danny, 16, #190 of 2114 🔗

It’s not a vaccine by any stretch of the imagination, it is an injection which supposedly activates your T cells to respond to viruses. Thanks but no thanks.

371563 ▶▶ Marg, replying to danny, 15, #191 of 2114 🔗

Israel currently has found 12,800 vaccinated people have tested positive!

371697 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to danny, 16, #192 of 2114 🔗

Conversely, while many of the young will have succumbed to despair and given up on having anything like a ‘life’, such as it was once known, there will be others in the same generational cohort who will not.
It is on these you should place your bets.
They will topple governments.
They will burn cities.

371739 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 23, #193 of 2114 🔗

I listened to that interview and he’s right. What baffles me though is how many of the millienials have brought into this whole narrative wholesale. From my experience in my work, they’re the ones who have been vocal in their observance and support of social distancing, masks, vaccines, lockdowns and thinking that everything they read and watch in the MSM is true. Even the threat of redundancy has not led them to question the measures.

As I’ve said here before trying to reason with them is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

Historians of the future will have a field day wondering what went wrong with the young of the early 21st century.

371766 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #194 of 2114 🔗

I think we tend to overestimate that compliant attitude amongst the young.

372580 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #195 of 2114 🔗

I think there’s a crisis of meaning and a rootlessness for the millennial and post millennial generations. There is very little self awareness about the shortfalls of the tech-mediated life and people are extremely addicted to screens. Without memories of “good old times” to go on or just any memory of a time that felt better, life feels very rootless. I find that millennials are less afraid and more eager for a religion. They need to feel like life matters at the end of the day. And nothing about their world of nonstop self promotion and clicks and cynical consumption of media satisfies that hunger.

371768 ▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 47, #196 of 2114 🔗

I knew all along that the vaccine would not satisfy the lockdown bedwetters for one simple reason.

Their fear is irrational. And you don’t beat irrational fear by indulging it. In fact it indulging irrational fear amplifies it.

People with phobias are not cured by indulging their phobias.

And we see this every time. Facemasks didn’t make people feel safer but less safe. Lockdowns amplify people’s sense of the danger and make them even more fearful. And the vaccines will be the same, it will make the coronaphobic even more afraid. Watch.

There is a good reason Roosevelt said: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

371825 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to stewart, 8, #197 of 2114 🔗

Great comment. Someone told me about a relative of theirs who had the coronavirus test presumably for reassurance purposes. It came back negative but regardless (and perhaps because of the whole process) they ended more scared than they were before. I can imagine people in spacesuits sticking things up your nose and then waiting anxiously for the results to come back is not something that will calm your nerves.

371845 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 1, #198 of 2114 🔗

And they would have been happier for the test to come back positive by the sounds of it. Although it does fan the flames in terms of case numbers perhaps eventually if enough people have or think they have had it the fear will dissipate.

373592 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Dan L, #199 of 2114 🔗

Not an experience I intend to have. I’m still trying to decide whether I will go so far as starving rather than submit…

371940 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 9, #200 of 2114 🔗

Neil has been an an absolute star in his interviews with Mike Graham. Calm and logical and I could listen to him talk all day. What’s the point indeed.

372931 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to danny, 3, #201 of 2114 🔗

Yep.
And our concern from the start.
This cycle can and will only end after the likely hyperinflationary induced currency collapses, government bankcupcies and the ensuing depression have occurred.

371535 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 88, #202 of 2114 🔗

Masks are the new crucifixes. Sanitiser is the new holy water. The Covidian Prayer is “Hands, Face, Space” (Amen). Cardinals Whitty and Vallance, who sit to the left and right of his excellency Pope de Pfeffel, rightly warn us not to displease Him, for He shall mutate and strike us down with furious anger if we do not sacrifice yet more of our childrens’ futures in His name. We must be baptised in the warm glow of unlicensed, experimental mRNA vaccines, born again as true servants of Him unto whom we must surrender our long term health and bodily integrity. Only then will we be given access to the promised land, and a Saga cruise shall take us there.

Archbishop Patel has rightly decreed that all heretics must pay dearly for their sins – their tainted souls shall be cleansed through the medium of Fixed Penalty Notices. Those who resist shall be deemed impure, corrupted, dangerous. They will be cast forever into the darkness, unable to partake in the Great Feast of £30 food parcels. Do not be swayed by the agents of misinformation – those who go by the names of Hitchens, Young and Pearson possess black hearts, and they seek to deny us salvation. Trust only in the Covidian Church, and our mainstream media partners.

A good Covidian will test themselves daily to discover whether He is using their bodies as a vessel to carry out His divine work, but beware the 2% false positve rate. Heed the wise words of High Priest Hancock when he says “Don’t kill Granny” – instead, isolate your elders, allow them to meet their demise from preventable causes, and we shall declare that He has been responsible for their passing. So long as their baptism has not been missed due to government incompetence and bureaucracy, He shall receive them and they will live eternal in his glorious Kingdom.

In the name of the virus, the NHS and the New World Order, Amen.

371541 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Scotty87, 15, #203 of 2114 🔗

So now we need a 2021 edition of the 39 Articles for sceptics; Lord Sumption perhaps, could assume the role of a much needed Martin Luther, to bring on the Reformation we need so badly.

371569 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to wendyk, 18, #204 of 2114 🔗

Luther was doing his best to reassert old truths that had been distorted and obscured by the ruling power in order to keep people frightened and subservient.
Sumption is a worthy successor.

371596 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 8, #205 of 2114 🔗

And the PCR tests and vaccine are the indulgences needed to save souls from going to Covid hell.

At this rate we need a new 95 Theses to be nailed at the gates of Westminster Abbey.

371597 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Scotty87, 8, #206 of 2114 🔗

For what we are about to receive,
May the Good Whitty make us truely thankful.
Hands. Face. Space.
Amen

371657 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Puddleglum, 4, #207 of 2114 🔗

Awomen
Awhitty

372094 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #208 of 2114 🔗

Athem is more a-fficient.

371800 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 1, #209 of 2114 🔗

Neil Ferguson’s trollope is the new Mary Magdalene

372667 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, #210 of 2114 🔗

Isn’t that Boris’s trollop?
Or must we have two Maries?
Mary Queen of Scots had four, but only one was a killer, if I remember right,y.

371985 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 10, #211 of 2114 🔗

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today on zoom for the online wedding of Frankie and Johnny! Our safe zoom wedding. Do you promise to love, honour and wear masks and ppe during the consummation, do you promise to stay inside and only venture out for essential items. If any person here knows of any just cause or impediment why these two should not be joined together in holy matrimony, let them press the objection button on their pad or press control O on their keyboard. You may now virtually kiss the bride by pressing the kiss button on your wedding pad. Your family and friends can now press the confetti button on their pads. Can’t wait to see the photos!

372664 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #212 of 2114 🔗

Superb.

372086 ▶▶ Beowa, replying to Scotty87, 1, #213 of 2114 🔗

Brilliant I hope you don’t mind me sharing it

371537 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #214 of 2114 🔗

Now they’ve really lost the plot!
Bribing sheep and collaborators with £500 to actually catch Covid.
I suppose you could say that’s one case where the cure isn’t worse than the disease.

371548 ▶▶ danny, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #215 of 2114 🔗

Never been one to argue the finer points of taxation and where out money goes I believe that’s part of being in a society. But now we have to collectively reward these idiots for taking a test and perpetuating lockdown?

371664 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #216 of 2114 🔗

what’s the catch? Maybe they will take the WHO advice and reduce the CT to 24 in the PCR test.

372106 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #217 of 2114 🔗

Yet they couldn’t find it in themselves to chuck a few quid at the 3 million or so that have fallen through the great-give-away gaps.

They should burn in this mortal life. We can’t take the risk of eternal damnation.

371540 Janette, replying to Janette, 26, #218 of 2114 🔗

I see in the DM it states the government are now considering giving a payment of £500 for a positive test. How bad is that??? They are absolutely desperate to get the numbers up!

371559 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Janette, 11, #219 of 2114 🔗

Whilst it has often been said here that all this is about much more than the data nonetheless if the numbers start to fall it will be hard to keep the whole bulk of the population on board, especially if the weather improves as the days get lighter. I still reckon that Uberfuhrer Johnson is trying to time all this so that when he hosts the G7 meeting in Cornwall in June, he can do it as the hero of the G7 nations, the one who cracked covid in the UK. He does not have much room in his brain for many thoughts but I do think he has global ambitions.
Lockdown must be getting to me and giving me crazy visions, so try this one; Boris was born in the USA and was a US citizen for many years, the way things are going how about 2024, Boris as joint President of a linked USA & UK?

371564 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #220 of 2114 🔗

yes, I think with low numbers people will want to be out. but you can rely on the government just to keep the restrictions in place as long as possible, claim victory in the summer, then be ‘caught unawares’ by the next winter and have to lockdown again

371615 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #221 of 2114 🔗
If the government believes its coronavirus public information surely it would have scrapped this super spreader G7 event?
371646 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #222 of 2114 🔗

Ah, but Steve – they are the Great and the Good, and are thus elevated above such petty concerns as infection. Or mortality. Or logic. Or common sense. Or…

371667 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Martindale, #223 of 2114 🔗

Per, your last speculation (Mad King Boris as joint president of a conjoined Anglo-American federation), highly unlikely; even after two centuries & change, there exists a very persistent strain of nativism that would reflexively reject such an eventuality.

371543 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #224 of 2114 🔗

Like the piece by Rob Tyson. Zealots are well-worthy of mockery.

371583 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #225 of 2114 🔗

The point he makes at the end about volatility is highly pertinent.

History shows that these panics and manias commonly disappear – or at least disappear to a very low background level – very quickly, almost overnight, as society collectively comes to its senses.

371602 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 6, #226 of 2114 🔗

Savonarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities springs to mind, Savonarola being the last victim.

372051 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 7, #227 of 2114 🔗

In the first world war women would insult men who did not go to the front as cowards. The giving of white feathers was commonplace. The jingoism at sign up parades made young underage men lie about their age to get a chance to fight. Britain needs you, all those posters. But then the children and husbands and sons did not come home. The government passed a law to stop negative articles about war. I wonder how long it took the women giving the feathers to realise they were wrong? Especially if that man signed up and died at the front. Or like the covid zealots did they just keep telling themselves they did the right thing. The zealots have the whip hand at the moment because we are not being given all the data to review so we only have government propaganda. We seem to have lost our best data guy prof. Hennighan.
When all the data on deaths for January are available I am sure it will show normal all cause mortality especially when compared to a bad flu year. But in the meantime more and more people are terrified by the msm and the idiots on twitter. Our day will come and it will be epic.

372394 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #228 of 2114 🔗

I can’t imagine the mindset of someone who sought to shame someone into risking their life, when their own was safe back in the UK. Wretched, small minded selfish souls.

371544 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 65, #229 of 2114 🔗

Yesterday I went to work after coming out of isolation due to my wife having covid. I work for the nhs and everyone was saying how their suffered due to vaccine, some required time off. My wife lost her sense of smell but regained it the day before coming out of isolation. As for my family and I nothing even though we hugged and held my wife’s hand. I’ve been taking vitamin D since April and have been giving my family a vitamin supplement since September but my wife works in a shop exposing her to virus. So what have I learned we need to look after our own health by eating healthy, getting fresh air and sunshine, exercising and getting enough vitamin D and sleep.

371546 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Derek Toyne, 23, #230 of 2114 🔗

heresy! you need to hide in your bedroom until someone injects you with some chemicals

371567 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #231 of 2114 🔗

Dear Derek, if you haven’t learned by now not to be sensible…

372009 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #232 of 2114 🔗

Lost sense of small is due to Zinc deficiency – our bodies burn through nutrients (especially Zinc) during viral infections leading to deficiency.

373357 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Victoria, 3, #233 of 2114 🔗

Hello Victoria didn’t know zinc deficiency caused loss of sense of smell. Anyway my wife didn’t lose her sense of smell straight away but a few days in only regaining it a day before her quarantine ended. The point of my comment is neither me who is 58 or my kids 7 and 14 were affected by covid and we had no protection. So where either immune to covid but not colds or as I believe the government is exaggerating covid. Today a doctor at work told me to get vaccinated but today’s news is saying the new variants may be resistant to the vaccine so what’s the point when what I am doing is working.

373593 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Derek Toyne, #234 of 2114 🔗

And bolster your immune system by remaining a part of the herd.

371549 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 37, #235 of 2114 🔗

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*none of which is currently accepting visitors from the UK.

SECOND PRIZE: One year’s subscription to the sports club, theatre or other banned and suspended leisure/cultural activity of your choice.

THIRD PRIZE: A whole day spent with Professor Neil Ferguson at Imperial College’s Sir James Savile Egregious Bullshit Department, designing and modelling whatever COVID variants your imagination can dream up! If your ideas really excite our world-renowned epidemiology experts, or Professor Ferguson, you might even get your variant made for real at Porton Down, for release into the general population.

372180 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #236 of 2114 🔗

Maybe I should infect myself, £500 pays nearly all my rent for a month!
But, I am not working at the moment, so I do not lose any wages. Will I still get the money?

373493 ▶▶ Spectrasoul, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #237 of 2114 🔗

That is tremendous, may I suggest a fourth prize: to be personally swabbed in a highly invasive manner in every orifice by the UK’s Chief Medical Officer, Christopher Whitty, in his very own lock-up garage? It’s all about staying safe guys, amirite?!!

371550 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 44, #238 of 2114 🔗

Bring Back Freedom
Bring Back Life
Bring Back Beauty
Bring Back Joy

371566 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #239 of 2114 🔗

We keep them all in trust.

372067 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #240 of 2114 🔗

Bring back care
Bring back trust
Bring back respect
Bring back love

371586 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to awildgoose, 11, #242 of 2114 🔗

Can you imagine the effect of having to wear a face mask in somewhere such as the Rockies National Park, where the roads rise to an elevation above ten thousand foot above sea level. Even without, the smallest exertion leaves you breathless due to the lower oxygen levels.

371594 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #243 of 2114 🔗

Or in Death Valley.

372069 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, #244 of 2114 🔗

Or in Florida where they have been open for month’s

371627 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Richy_m_99, #245 of 2114 🔗

…especially if you’re out-of-shape. Like most Americans.

371617 ▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 8, #246 of 2114 🔗

Nappy up, America, land of the cheat, land of the liar, land of thr fool, land of the slave.

372003 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to awildgoose, 2, #247 of 2114 🔗

Biden might be president but his powers are limited to federal only therefore only on federal property

371552 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 61, #248 of 2114 🔗

Just read the headline and the first bit of today’s update. All I can say is AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

If that’s the case then UK tourism is dead and by extension museums & heritage. Ditto culture & entertainment.

Still think this is about the virus?

If the likes of the National Trust, English Heritage, London Zoo,British Museum, National Gallery, Royal Opera House and the National Theatre still continue to kowtow to this nonsense then they really deserve to go bust. And there won’t be any taxpayers’ funds available to bail them out.

371589 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #249 of 2114 🔗

This is terrible. My wife and I are both in aviation so we’ll both lose our careers simultaneously.

I really, really hope that some companies actually speak out this time but I’m not holding my breath…

371605 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 14, #250 of 2114 🔗

Agree. I escaped redundancy this time but I suspect the longer we’re shut they will be forced to look into more redundancies to save even more money.

I’m hoping that there are those in the museums sector who will break ranks and defy the government but like you I’m no holding my breath either.

371621 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #251 of 2114 🔗

It’s the same with my wife. She’s escaped one round of redundancy so far and now round two is looming! This round is voluntary at the moment but I doubt they’ll get many volunteers at this stage, most people close to retirement who could afford to go are already gone.

Let’s hope so. This is going to terminally affect quite a few sectors so we’ll see.

371668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #252 of 2114 🔗

We had voluntary first, I was on the firing line for the compulsory but survived that. I do wonder who they will go after if there’s another round because we don’t have any left from the those of the retirement age who can afford it age group.

Tourism, aviation, heritage and culture I suspect are all bankrupt and won’t survive the longer this goes on. We shall see if any of them have the balls to defy the government.

373367 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #253 of 2114 🔗

Isn’t Arts , Culture , music, Theatre why the rest of the world wanted to come to this septic isle? After that London as a financial centre, the most revenue raised by cultural tourism now well and truly FFFFFucked!

371571 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 18, #254 of 2114 🔗

One of the orthodoxies which has been repeated by every politician and media outlet has been that the virus ” doesn’t discriminate ” , usually followed by the one in a million 30 year old on ITU

I therefore found it curious in my NHS mailbox to receive an e mail from the big wigs informing me that for every 20 vaccinated in a care home ( presumably not the moribund ) one life is saved but that I would have to vaccinate nearly 50,000 under 50 year olds to save one life from Covid.

371574 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Peter Thompson, 16, #255 of 2114 🔗

I will never forget some moron from Eire (teasock I think) saying ‘the one thing we know about this virus is that it doesn’t discriminate’. I don’t know how we have ended up with the dregs of society at the top running it

371593 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 9, #256 of 2114 🔗

What do you expect when your country us ruled by, with or from a teashop?

371628 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, 13, #257 of 2114 🔗

There is one tea (or coffee) shop that I wouldn’t mind ruling the country . . .

371640 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Annie, 1, #258 of 2114 🔗

Bet they serve nothing but Lapsang Suchong, too.
Ghastly stuff.
And in cracked mugs, at that.

371662 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 1, #259 of 2114 🔗

Actually, it’s the T-shirt and Iran is run by Ahmed Dinnerjacket. Can you think of any more items of clothing ruling us?

372623 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Annie, #260 of 2114 🔗

Brilliant

371677 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to steve_w, -3, #261 of 2114 🔗

Childish mockery of another nation’s language isn’t really the way to gain respect.

372976 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to steve_w, #262 of 2114 🔗

Top level politicos are selected to advance the agenda of their selectors. The selectors buy out both sides so whichever way the fickle electorate goes, the interests of the oligarchs (corporate CEOs) are served without fail. This is all aided by the party system.

Tories funded by billionaires.
Labour funded by billionaires.

MPs should wear the badges of their owners, just like Formula 1 drivers.

371577 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #263 of 2114 🔗

So what is it they are trying to tell you? Each life saved comes at an enormous cost from vaccination alone or that there’s no point in vaccinating under 50s?

371590 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #264 of 2114 🔗

One life in a care home is saved? How long for?

371598 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 4, #265 of 2114 🔗

3 months of ill loneliness.

371604 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #266 of 2114 🔗

Life expectancy is eighty-one years.
Average age if coronavirus related death is almost eighty-two and a half years.

371603 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #268 of 2114 🔗

This comment terrifies me… “ People who have a problem with this don’t care enough about the health of other people”

371608 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to muzzle, 8, #269 of 2114 🔗

They can double down on the rhetoric as far as I’m concerned. They are fighting a losing battle.

371613 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #270 of 2114 🔗

yes. The normal pandemic response plan under WHO guidance was appropriate. Lockdown and draconian laws is the extremist anti-science position

371614 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #271 of 2114 🔗

They have the police on their side

371624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheClone, 5, #272 of 2114 🔗

So fucking what? Police can do one as well

371623 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #273 of 2114 🔗

They know it too

371611 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to muzzle, 14, #274 of 2114 🔗

I son’t care about the health if people at large. It isn’t my business. And my health is not their business.

371620 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to muzzle, 3, #275 of 2114 🔗

It’s the old “if you’ve nothing to hide” mantra repackaged

371689 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #276 of 2114 🔗

These idiots don’t understand that what they might need ‘to hide’ changes while the laws to punish you don’t.

371856 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #277 of 2114 🔗

God I’ve always hated it when people say that. It’s so short sighted.

371619 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #278 of 2114 🔗

Good job I rarely see my doctor

371579 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 161, #279 of 2114 🔗

Yesterday my boyfriend, a previously very happy, stable and optimistic young man, texted this to me:

“Feeling really really depressed, it feels like I’ve lost almost everything. I’ve got no future, and my uni experience has been taken away. Just want to cry… I’m so grateful I have you or else I’d have nothing. I can’t study because I just feel so unhappy and it feels so pointless. I like old fashioned things, I like wearing suits, handing in cvs, talking to real people face to face, but I’ve been dumped into a superficial world where all that matters is how well you can type about yourself. Just feel like I’ll never amount to anything now, and I cant even have fun on the way, because friendship is outlawed and introvert guardian journalist rubbish about hating social interactions is the new paradigm.”

To Boris Johnson; the government; SAGE; the mainstream media; WEF; journalists who sit comfortably at home untouched by this misery; and every single member of the public who supports this unethical and deeply monstrous experiment that is being wrought on the people of this country; YOU have done this.

They are responsible for ruining the life of the person I love as well as countless others. They talk about ‘Fortress Britain’, the ‘Blitz Spirit’ and ‘Ambush/Triumph’ vaccines, and narcissistically model themselves as the hero at the centre of their own dystopian sci-fi film, all the while people like my bf are slowly and silently destroyed.

I vow to crush these individuals into a thousand tiny pieces, just like they have with us.

371587 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 65, #280 of 2114 🔗

Oh Poppy, I’m so sorry for you and your lad. He is lucky that he has you. Share your strength with him.
Never forget that both of you have us. We will never give in, never. These loathsome slugs will be crushed. Never doubt it.

371591 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Poppy, 38, #281 of 2114 🔗

Our politicians talk about the Blitz spirit but in reality they are the Luftwaffe and we are the few

371616 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 57, #282 of 2114 🔗

Very sorry to hear this. From what I’ve read in your previous posts, your boyfriend was a happy young man looking forward to the future. Now it looks like he’s a shell of his previous self.

Stay strong both of you and Keep Buggering On. We will prevail against those responsible for this and their collaborators.

And as for those who still constantly bang on about WW2, I have news for them, the wartime generation would have been appalled at how cowardly and spineless their descendants have become.

371626 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Poppy, 27, #283 of 2114 🔗

What a sad thing to read and totally relatable to as well. Life and living is being destroyed for a supposedly greater good.

Sending you and your boyfriend strength and happiness. Your generation is very much needed.

We will win through to a happier more positive reality for everyone.

371643 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 18, #284 of 2114 🔗

So sorry to hear that Poppy. It is so hard what we are being subjected to but please both of you stay strong and we will beat this despicable government.

371647 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Poppy, 19, #285 of 2114 🔗

He is smart, a real keeper. Encourage him in these dark times. We need people with his appreciation of the situation.

371648 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Poppy, 17, #286 of 2114 🔗

I am really sorry to hear this, but the even sadder realisation is that this just one of thousands of similar stories, probably world-wide.
I will pray for both of you.

371652 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Poppy, 28, #287 of 2114 🔗

Poppy, your young man must be really special because you chose him and, on here, we all know that you are very special. Your contributions have shown real incite and make me optimistic for the future. It’s easy to despair when so many youngsters seem to lack critical thinking or courage but you most certainly do not.
Keep strong, both of you, we need you.

371678 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 8, #288 of 2114 🔗

Sorry insight. Fecking spellchecker unable to read my mind.

373588 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to WasSteph, #289 of 2114 🔗

Her contributions will incite a rebellion. Vive la resistance!

371653 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Poppy, 23, #290 of 2114 🔗

Poppy just tell you BF to do what any sane other person will do, ignore the rules , do not comply. Many of us in our local National Alliance group have been meeting up regularly, made new friends. Please reach out to your own National Alliance group where you can meet like minded people.

372690 ▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to Andrew K, 2, #291 of 2114 🔗

What is the National Alliance group?

371776 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Poppy, 17, #292 of 2114 🔗

Best wishes to you and your boyfriend, Poppy. Stay strong, do not let them win.

A quarter of young people are now suffering severe mental distress because of the government’s actions, with many of them now at risk of causing serious harm or worse to themselves.

99.99% of these people will never be badly affected by this virus.

What the hell are we doing?

371794 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Poppy, 14, #293 of 2114 🔗

Never forget who did this
They will pay

371877 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Poppy, 12, #294 of 2114 🔗

So sorry to read this Poppy. Another crime to add to the list of crimes committed by the regime that for the moment rules and ruins our lives.

One day this will end, and when it does good people like you and your BF will be faced with the task of rebuilding this country. I may not live to see it but if you and your BF are a sample of the quality of your generation I am confident that you will prevail.

372183 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Poppy, 12, #295 of 2114 🔗

Poppy,

Send it to your MP, and there is also a call for parliamentary evidence on mental health impact of the ‘measures’. (I think still ongoing).

What is being done to you is criminal. Neil Oliver talks about this eloquently in his TAlk Radio interview. You have to get enough of your generation to say no to this crap. And your right to a decent life is NOT dependent on you agreeing to take part in a GenTech experiment.

372312 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 12, #296 of 2114 🔗

Sorry to read this Poppy. But things change, everything passes eventually, no matter how interminable it seems at the time. And in 30 years’ time your generation will be running the country and our institutions, and my children will maybe have children of their own. So it is up to your generation to get through the pain now – as I am sure you will – garner the lessons, make sure those lessons aren’t forgotten, and make sure that a shitshow like this never happens again.

And hold up the bastards who’ve done this to ridicule and censure for evermore.

373591 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to TJN, 1, #297 of 2114 🔗

“Face coverings are not recommended for use outside of medical settings. Or, to put it another way, they are. 🙂

372341 ▶▶ sam club, replying to Poppy, 8, #298 of 2114 🔗

yes crush them i agree . and we need people like your boyfriend [ and you] who know that seeing your friends in person is what counts not from a computer .maybe he can read commnets here to know there are people like him and you out there ,

372988 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Poppy, 7, #299 of 2114 🔗

If a parent locked their child away from education and social interactions, they would be arrested and jailed for child abuse.

When the government does it to millions of children, that is deemed a good thing, apparently even by a significant proportion of parents.

373188 ▶▶ RoseE, replying to Poppy, 6, #300 of 2114 🔗

Oh Poppy, I am totally unequal to the task of expressing my sadness at your post, except to say that I think all of us reading it would say that this is exactly what we didn’t want to happen. We want your age group (I’m guessing you’re both in your twenties) to have a free life; the sort of freedoms that many of us here have had since before you were born and could never have imagined would be taken away from us so ruthlessly. What can I say? Except that I’d like these b*****ds swing for what they are doing (and I’m very, very anti capital punishment). You are our future.

373426 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Poppy, 2, #301 of 2114 🔗

Oh my goodness, Poppy. I’m so sorry about this. This is horrendous. Is your boyfriend familiar with this site/other sites/places where he’d find a home where he can talk to likeminded people? Sometimes just talking to a likeminded person can help no end.

Poppy, please give your boyfriend my/our very best, and tell him he is NOT alone.

371581 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 17, #302 of 2114 🔗

I can’t believe people are even quoting the REACT study. To see a trend you need multiple datapoints over time. They missed a month and are basically starting again.

Imperial couldn’t do science worse if they tried

371650 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to steve_w, 2, #303 of 2114 🔗

Steven Reilly is in the same modeling group as Neil Ferguson. Says it all!

372090 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, #304 of 2114 🔗

They are a complete cunch of bunts!

372992 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to steve_w, 1, #305 of 2114 🔗

“Imperial couldn’t do science worse if they tried”

Neil Ferguson enters the chat: Here, hold my beer ….

It is a shame, Imperial once had a top notch reputation. And it is ironic that the lockdown they have enabled is driving universities out of business. Karma is a b*tch.

371584 mhcp, 12, #306 of 2114 🔗

What’s telling about the section ATL about lockdowns in November is that there is no mention of the usual shape of the death’s curve at that time of year. So you have a curve that looks like any other but suddenly takes on meaning because???

School kids are taught better than that (or maybe not now in the Age of Modelling)

371601 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 25, #307 of 2114 🔗

Can someone PLEASE explain where parliament has gone? Seems like they’ve totally brushed this issue off.

It’s the most important single issue of the last 70 years and they don’t even debate it daily!

WTF is going on?!?!?

371606 ▶▶ Annie, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 22, #308 of 2114 🔗

What do you think this is, a democracy or something?

371609 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #309 of 2114 🔗

no need – they all agree

371634 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to steve_w, 8, #310 of 2114 🔗

It’s crazy isn’t it.

I think those who beleive they’re doing this to better their own lives miss the point – whats the point in having loads of money in a destroyed country with no restaurants, pubs or even travel?

371642 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #311 of 2114 🔗

hysteria. and they won’t feel the downsides

371610 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #312 of 2114 🔗

Frit

371612 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #313 of 2114 🔗

We are all in this together! If we don’t care to rise up against the government why should they do it?

371618 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheClone, 2, #314 of 2114 🔗

Er, that’s their job, especially the opposition.

371632 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #315 of 2114 🔗

Opposition? When did anything important last get opposed?

371638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to CGL, #316 of 2114 🔗

6% starmer.

371680 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #317 of 2114 🔗

A coup

372111 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #318 of 2114 🔗

They all on zoom. Probably wearing no trousers, and being on full pay and pension and loving life. As the mighty Neil Oliver quoted Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing?

373000 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #319 of 2114 🔗

I suspect they are busy working on important legislation – related to them granting themselves another 11% pay rise, plus expenses, bonuses, etc.

371629 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #320 of 2114 🔗

I am just hoping that, in the end, the public reaction to all this hoo-haa might just swing things. There has just been a discussion on our village facebook site about the current covid situation. Our local authority area, Torridge, currently has the second lowest covid rate in the UK and our local hospital, Barnstaple, currently has 7 covid patients and zero patients on ventilators, they say that is the genuine figure and no covid patients have been transferred anywhere else.
There was then some discussion on the village facebook page about whether our low rate is down to Sam’s Cider (local brew). I do not think such a jovial discussion point would have happened a while back but is now OK because of continuing low numbers in the area. A very small observation but I think it illustrates that they are desperate to keep the public on board and quite worried that they may suddenly lose public support for all this nonsense.

371636 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #321 of 2114 🔗

I bet death rates are low too and yet schools are closed. There’s no justification for it.

371637 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #322 of 2114 🔗

I think the cider point is the route forward. Absurdity. Not everyone will ever have the energy to be super angry on top of daily life stress. The absurdity of the fraud is infectcious, it relaxes the frozen with terror.

The great unpicking of the scam, the returning of free travel will take more. A fully exposed fraud with actors swinging for their parts may be the only way to open up movement across the globe.

Keep the cider flowing just to be safe.

371698 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Basics, 8, #323 of 2114 🔗

Absurdity and mockery are the two best medicines and a route out of this. I’m nearly old enough to remember Peter Cook’s savaging of Harold Macmillan live on stage. I also remember a few years ago the Steven Poliakioff series ‘Summer of Rockets’ where a putative coup was defeated by a savage mockery on television.
Where are the Peter Cook’s of today. Unfortunately they are all too woke!

372124 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PFD, 2, #324 of 2114 🔗

I remember spitting image slaughtering pretentious pop stars and politicians. When you see yourself through a satirical lens you have to reassess. Wow is that how people see me?

371798 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 4, #325 of 2114 🔗

and remember how Lukashenko was mocked for his recommendation of a nightly shot of vodka….how things have come full circle

371651 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #326 of 2114 🔗

Mockery is the best medicine!

I also like to point people towards this:-
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19interactivemap/2020-06-12

The low death figures are striking and people can get a better sense of the scale of them in the context of an geographical area they can understand. Seven deaths in my local area of maybe 5k since March, none in summer.

371641 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 8, #328 of 2114 🔗

Bit late today but, as usual, LS begins with a negative story. We want to hear about those resisting, please!

371645 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bungle, 13, #329 of 2114 🔗

Every act of non-compliance is resistance. Every criticism of the official narrative is resistance. Every act of mockery of the madness is resistance.

Ignore the rules.

371644 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #330 of 2114 🔗

Very very depressing headlines this morning. The real infection is the delusion that zero-Covid is possible or even desirable relative to the costs of attempting to achieve it. Meanwhile my Dad gets his vaccine this weekend. I told him take it for the psychological effect but your overall mortality risk will be virtually unchanged!

371649 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #331 of 2114 🔗

The SAGE expert on the Today Programme just said that once the over 80s and over 70s have been vaccinated that’s 99.9% of the most vulnerable protected. . .

And so ?

373137 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #332 of 2114 🔗

Protected! What a sick joke.

371788 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #333 of 2114 🔗

‘your overall mortality risk will be virtually unchanged’ – let’s hope you’re right about that. let’s hope it’s nothing more than a harmless placebo, a massive waste of money

373143 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, #334 of 2114 🔗

This is the depopulators big occasion and they have worked hard to bring it about. Very low probability of any of these “vaccines” being harmless.

371655 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 36, #335 of 2114 🔗

Is anyone else hearing a lot more second hand vaccine death stories than they ever did with covid?

A relative’s friend’s centenarian Nan had the vaccine 10 days ago and then died. Her care home hadn’t had a single case of covid, yet after taking the vaccine most of the care home now have it, including her (so she’ll be a covid death). My hypothesis is that either the vaccine ruins their immune system to the point that they pick it up, or that the vaccine interacts with the PCR test in some way.

The other story I heard is from another relative’s friend. Her friend is a covid zealot and her friend’s mum is in a care home. They’ve had, wait for it.. 24 OUT OF THE 60 RESIDENTS DIE AFTER GETTING THEIR VACCINE. 24 OUT OF 60!

They’re going to kill off lots of old, vulnerable people with this vaccine, and they’re going to put them all down as covid deaths.

371656 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to John Galt, 8, #336 of 2114 🔗

Could you find out the name and details and report to local newspaper?

373164 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marialta, 3, #337 of 2114 🔗

Very unlikely that any “newspaper” would touch this story. The only way these stories will get out to the public is by world of mouth and through social media. If things are really as bad as they seem, then the vaccine genocide will get into the public domain, no matter how hard they try to hush things up.

371659 ▶▶ l835, replying to John Galt, 11, #338 of 2114 🔗

I wonder how they are going to spin the rising death rate as vaccines are rolled out and the country is still in lockdown?

371671 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to l835, 6, #339 of 2114 🔗

Not enough vaccine take up by the under 70s. It’s to protect others!

371672 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 13, #340 of 2114 🔗

Is impossible with the numbers that have been jabbed to have no deaths,but without a free press who is going to uncover the truth?

371767 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #341 of 2114 🔗

some brave devil folk will; but it will be buried in the darker corners of the internet, shadowbanned to death, and if it does begin to threaten the Grand Lie, then the truth-speakers will be smeared, slandered, sectioned and carted off to loony bins… it’s all so drearily predictable

373194 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #342 of 2114 🔗

If it becomes obvious that the “vaccines” are genocidal, then the story will be unstoppable and it will spread by word of mouth. Soon everyone would soon know someone, who has keeled over within days of vaccination.

It seems that the government may be getting worried, as these early deaths are happening just too quickly to be plausibly deniable. This would cause enormous vaccine hesitancy and bring the planned vaccine cull to an early end. There would also be other very serious repercussions for the government.

The early deaths are likely the real reason why it now wants to delay the second shot, as it would likely cause an even bigger round of early deaths.

371763 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to l835, 2, #343 of 2114 🔗

new strain; the ‘folk devils’ like us – it won’t be a problem for them

372684 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to l835, #344 of 2114 🔗

CGI of lockdown sceptics coughing on Granny.

371660 ▶▶ Janette, replying to John Galt, 11, #345 of 2114 🔗

John which area is this. I note someone has posted on this sight a questionnaire from the BBC. I was going to ask them how come they are not recording deaths from the vaccine. It would be strange if England does not have such deaths when other countries are reporting them!

371661 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John Galt, 2, #346 of 2114 🔗

I would really like to be able to get the clear truth on both sides. I don’t know how we get at that as the government spins like crazy and I don’t doubt some are exaggerating the vaccine injuries. I’m sure there are some as there are with all vaccines but how to get beyond anecdotes to facts is difficult. Is it really dangerous? I’m sure we’d all love to know but I’m struggling to trust any story I hear. I don’t doubt you are repeating what you have been told in good faith.

371704 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to WasSteph, 11, #347 of 2114 🔗

The vaccine rollout is a stage 4 clinical trial.There must be figures somewhere

371722 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to WasSteph, 7, #348 of 2114 🔗

Yes it would be nice to have some transparency, but I fear that we are dreamers!

Personally, I know one person who has had fairly severe side effects (they had to call an ambulance).

My mother in law also said that out of the people who had the jab at the doctor’s surgery where she works, she was the only one who didn’t ‘feel rough’. She didn’t elaborate on what she meant by ‘rough’. I will try to find out.

I don’t know that many people who have had the jab yet.

371665 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to John Galt, 11, #349 of 2114 🔗

Pfizer ought to requisition a few of the bodies for autopsies. ADE? Cytokine storm? It was never suitable for people so frail and elderly they are in a care home.

371843 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #350 of 2114 🔗

Norway have stopped vaccinating the elderly and very frail after quite a few deaths. Surely we should follow suit.

371669 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to John Galt, 20, #351 of 2114 🔗

It will explain the spike in covid deaths being reported. They are slaughtering us live on TV and we’re begging to join the queue. You couldn’t make this stuff up

371684 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John Galt, 12, #352 of 2114 🔗

I haven’t heard anything personally yet – though I can count 4 acquaintances and a family member in their 80s who have had their first dose (Iam the youngest person in my road by 30 years) and haven’t experienced any side effects yet. However, none of them are very poorly or living in care homes. I think we just don’t have enough information to judge yet. When people are dying who are of an age and fragility that a loud noise or a strong draught would be enough to carry them off at any moment there is endless potential for misattribution (in either direction).

Data from Israel suggests that the first dose isn’t doing too much to protect the elderly from a dose of the demon virus and it is peak death time for everything, including respiratory infections. I think that we need to be watching very carefully and taking notes, but avoid making the jab the bogeyman without clear evidence. Otherwise we’ll be just as guilty of monomania and unscientific thinking as the zealots.

371781 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #353 of 2114 🔗

Otherwise we’ll be just as guilty of monomania and unscientific thinking as the zealots.’
except that the difference between us and them is that we’re not trying to destroy other people’s lives: we just want to be left alone, to get on with our lives in peace.

371710 ▶▶ Basics, replying to John Galt, 1, #354 of 2114 🔗

Delete – wrong post

371754 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John Galt, 4, #355 of 2114 🔗

yep, that’s what I’ve suspected all along has been the plan. no secondhand stories – yet; but not that many secondhand stories of vaccine recipients: only large numbers of the vaccine-eager; I predicted at New Year that by the end of the year quite a few of my circle of acquaintances will be dead, or worse

371787 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John Galt, 2, #356 of 2114 🔗

all accounts need to be documented
They will n-e-v-e-r release the actual figures

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

372196 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to John Galt, 1, #357 of 2114 🔗

Notify the BBC. See if they take it up…

372197 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to John Galt, 1, #358 of 2114 🔗

Does this get reported in the media?
Even local?
This happening everywhere, I saw the Basta Berlin podcast on YT yday, they had 4 local newspaper reports where care homes had vaccinations and a few days later almost every resident and a 3rd of staff tested +.

371658 Basics, 8, #359 of 2114 🔗

The psychologist evils have missed a clanger.

Reading the good article above about folk devils.

“It is important at this stage that the “moral entrepreneurs” are vocal and the “folk devils” appear weak and disorganised.”

£10,000 find for organisers stamped out organisers. This is good. Very good. By being a miscellaneous group of cincerned people with a common cause we are neither led nor defined. As Mark Windows has long said, and proven to be the case, this method is truly the form in which people must stand up against the change agents and social engineers in our lives today.

Through their own poor strategy they have caused the very thing they cannot fight against. Heart and mi ds grouped together leaderless and so very fucking right.

This is not to dismiss the courage figure heads have and do need to speak out with their various facts and truths. However, our relationship to them is healthy, they do not lead and we do not follow. Their input is most welcome our support is only there if each of us recognises merit in the work.

A t-shirt with ‘folk devil’ would be an enjoyable garment to have.

371666 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #360 of 2114 🔗

Some care homes staff refusing to have the vaccine.
GOING WELL,AIN’T IT?

371683 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #361 of 2114 🔗

So much so the National Care Assoc are seeking legal advice currently to see how carehomes can make vaccination a condition of employment. The numbers of those sensible people refusing is large.

371836 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Basics, 7, #362 of 2114 🔗

Surely if employers are demanding that staff undertake a medical procedure they are obliged to carry out a risk assessment beforehand. This would involve detailing the risk to the employee and require information from the public health authorities or whoever is overseeing the vaccination programme in order to complete that risk assessment .
Is that information available?.
If it is , would the Govt release it ?
If not then no risk assessment can be done and no employee can be compelled to obey these demands .
Injurylawyers must be looking at this situation with some interest . Once slightly chided as ambulance chasers they now appear, for employees anyway, as a salvation army.
Meanwhile what do the unions say. At places where I worked this sort of bullying would have provoked a very robust response.

371851 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mikewaite, 2, #363 of 2114 🔗

Never refuse a vaccine – make it conditional (employer/GP etc) on signature of a liability letter
(hint – they won’t)
Proforma can be found here
https://freedomtaker.com/

372432 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to mikewaite, #364 of 2114 🔗

I just don’t see the logic in making anyone who has had COVID (and I would imagine a fair number of care home workers have) have the vaccine:

1) it will provide better protection as the immune system will have seen the whole virus (vs just one antigen) thus giving greater protection against antigentic drift in future mutants

2) it’s cheaper

3) it leaves more vaccine for those who want it

371675 Basics, 10, #365 of 2114 🔗

There are no CV post mortems. The Royal College of Pathologists have expressed their concern about this.

Words plucked from twitter.

Nothing impressive, perhaps too late from the complicit college. But a murmur in the right direction. The activities of those responsible for over seeing standards at the college need to be investigated for neglect of duties imo.

371676 Fingerache Philip, 6, #366 of 2114 🔗

JHB on TR has just ripped George Useless apart AGAIN.

371681 Norman, replying to Norman, -4, #367 of 2114 🔗

So it would appear that all the granny killers and rule breakers are in the south-east corner of England to judge from the mortality graphs presented today. Not so much a second wave but a south-east tsunami.

371709 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Norman, 4, #368 of 2114 🔗

Busted!

371682 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #369 of 2114 🔗

Mandy and Mikey Mike appear to be involved in a cat fight as to who is responsible for handing out the extra punishment beatings

Mike has a point, it’s her Stasi and Mandy took them over last year when she was shielding. Now she wants her toys back

I don’t do the 5pm thing but apparently Mike wheeled out a top rozzer to go full on hysterical. He lectured about how dangerous it all was and that the new enemy were those attending parties organised by Emmanuel Goldstein.

I missed the bit when the rozzer outlined his qualifications

Anyway Mandy’s gone home and won’t come out

I’m told his last words were ‘I was playing with them first’ before he flounced off

To the casual observer it all seems a bit pointless as these fines are disappeared quicker than a Marxist under Pinochet

371686 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 2, #370 of 2114 🔗

Thank you. Your contributions always bring a much needed smile.

371685 mj, #371 of 2114 🔗

a bit of amusement .. This is from last year but it ,and the guy doing it , are both new to me .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENOc8DER_B8

371687 alw, replying to alw, 2, #372 of 2114 🔗

In the Telegraph you can check how many people in your area have had the vaccine. Seems rather low in my area of North London. Heard they were taking vaccines away from London to give to other areas where people had not been vaccinated. Where did they get 5 million people who have been vaccinated nationwide. Just asking?

North London Partners in Health and Care

4.5%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 68,601 people out of a total population of 1,510,806.

Your area ranks 39th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 55.1%Rank: 28th out of 42Under 80s: 2.8%Rank: 35th out of 42

East London Health and Care Partnership

3.4%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 68,858 people out of a total population of 2,023,383.

Your area ranks 42nd out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 48.5%Rank: 36th out of 42Under 80s: 2.1%Rank: 42nd out of 42

Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland

5.1%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 56,317 people out of a total population of 1,100,306.

Your area ranks 34th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 52.7%Rank: 30th out of 42Under 80s: 2.7%Rank: 36th out of 42

Seem to be doing better in North West

Greater Manchester Health and Social Care Partnership

5.8%

Of people in your area have received their first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.

That’s 167,180 people out of a total population of 2,869,256.

Your area ranks 30th out of 42 healthcare authorities in England

How this breaks down:
Over 80s: 59.6%Rank: 20th out of 42Under 80s: 3.5%Rank: 20th out of 42

371694 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to alw, 9, #373 of 2114 🔗

Like all the other figures, they are made up

371703 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to alw, 1, #374 of 2114 🔗

One for Statto to correlate with the HA’s death figures.

371688 Burlington, 2, #375 of 2114 🔗
371691 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #376 of 2114 🔗

The following comes from they synopsis of Plan A above.

Restrictions on public gatherings and public transpor t…..

……. t he working presumption will be that Government will not impose any such restrictions. The emphasis will instead be on encouraging all those w ho have symptoms to follow the advice to stay at home and avoid spreading their illness.

It looks as if the government is now revisiting this bit of the plan A – pity they didn’t think of paying £500 a week to people to stay at home if they had symptoms a lot earlier.

371712 ▶▶ clem, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #377 of 2114 🔗

Paying people £500 when they get a positive PCR test sound good in principle however this will likely just lead to the Cobra Effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

371750 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #378 of 2114 🔗

What – bribe people to help destroy the economy because the government’s attempts are not fast enough?

371692 Paul44310, replying to Paul44310, 14, #379 of 2114 🔗

Interesting comments from the BBC although unfortunately not the headline. These were made by a group including a Chief Medical Advisor to Public Health England.
“PCR tests, which the NHS uses to test people with symptoms and are sent off to a lab for the results, can detect dead virus as well as viable virus. That means people can test positive for many days after symptoms appear and for weeks after they are capable of passing the virus on to others.
As a result, only a subset of people testing positive with PCR tests are actively infectious .

Neither PCR or lateral flow is a perfect test, but “ treating PCR as a gold standard of infectiousness ” is a mistake , they say.

Why then are we treating the PCR as a gold standard and why aren’t we repeating the test when positive in asymptomatic “cases” as recommended by the World Health Organisation.

371699 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Paul44310, 1, #380 of 2114 🔗

They need to scare people with big numbers.

371725 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Paul44310, 1, #381 of 2114 🔗

Can’t find the article. Have you got a link?

371693 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #383 of 2114 🔗

Vague Guessing has been found out telling porkies again

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55750297

371696 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #384 of 2114 🔗

The BBC allowing comments. Wow!!

371695 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #385 of 2114 🔗

Please can someone point out to me where the WHO’s new PCR guidance tells countries to lower the cycles used?

I can see a hint or two but nothing explicit.

372699 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to PompeyJunglist, #386 of 2114 🔗

It doesn’t state it explicitly but the following paragraph:

WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed ( 1 ). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

if put into bullet points thus:

  • WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed.
  • The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load.
  • Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

is a warning against high cycle counts.

Original notice from WHO for reference for others: https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

371700 DanClarke, 2, #387 of 2114 🔗

It appears to be the Live version of Event 201, which ended after 18 months and leave 65 million dead. The time would be around the time of the G7 meeting.

371701 PWL, 3, #388 of 2114 🔗

But all variants of the harmless SARS-COV, no?

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
From which:

Figure 19 is the most interesting graph of all because it shows that ICU admissions for patients with pneumonia leading from flu bumping along all year after April at, or just above, zero. This condition, it would seem, has gone the same way as polio, but more so, and is apparently a thing of the past.

Utter horse manure, of course, and there is no other image than the one presented below to better represent the criminal activity that has been taking place in the corridors and wards of the nation’s supposedly beloved NHS.

371706 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 4, #389 of 2114 🔗

Will Jones using the government death and testing stats. Words fail me.

371711 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nottingham69, 4, #390 of 2114 🔗

I can’t really look at the stats too long now. It’s all just totally unreliable distorted as it is by PCR

371707 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #391 of 2114 🔗

If the Wancock is forced to follow the new WHO guidelines then ‘cases’ amongst the symptom free people will plummet, Matt needs everyone with the slightest sniffle to go for a test as these false positives may not need a second test. That’s maybe why people with the slightest hint of a system will go for a test – well people will make up symptoms just to be in the running for the £500 prize

Very clever really, clearly not Matt’s idea

371717 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Major Panic, 10, #392 of 2114 🔗

The way the WHO guidelines are being spun by the lockdown lovers is that it simply says to adhere to manufacturers instructions and hardly revelatory.

They simply cannot bring themselves to believe this test is flawed and even before the new protocol from Dorsten, it was always only to be used in the manner which the WHO are now saying. As part of a professional clinical assessment. Not as a mass screening tool to turn society into a torture chamber

371740 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #393 of 2114 🔗

That’s definitely wishful thinking on behalf of the lockdown lovers.

I receive similar bulletins in my line of work and they are only issued when someone, somewhere is doing something very wrong.

It is quite clear that the bulletin was stating that users are NOT following the manufacturers instructions, i.e they are using cycle thresholds that are too high and diagnosing people with COVID-19 on the basis of the test alone. It definitely was not a simple reminder to ‘keep doing what you’re doing and don’t forget to read the leaflet!’

The WHO is a weird organisation. It occasionally drops truth bombs then reverts back to the narrative. Maybe there is an internal struggle going on there that we aren’t aware of.

371748 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #394 of 2114 🔗

you don’t think the WHO are attempting to cover their arses before the Drosten PCR paper gets retracted?

371771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Major Panic, 2, #395 of 2114 🔗

Could well be that. An internal struggle for truth and best practice is probably just wishful thinking on my part!

371720 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 2, #396 of 2114 🔗

Michiavellian.

371756 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #397 of 2114 🔗

His Scottish princeling MacHiavellian

371708 Nigel_N, replying to Nigel_N, -9, #398 of 2114 🔗

What Happened to Plan A?

Item 7.4 is straight out of the 1960’s post-nuclear holocaust handbook: “the Government will encourage those who are well to carry on with their normal daily lives for as long and as far as that is possible, whilst taking basic precautions to protect themselves”

When this theory document met the cold light of day it was realised that it was unworkable. People were already starting to panic over the Italian deaths; how could a twenty-first century government implement a policy that just accepted that 158,000 people would die in three weeks from a single cause and yet everyone should carry on regardless? And it had to be implemented by all four UK governments or none.

The planners had failed to produce a realistic plan. As a result, the UK government were forced to write policy on the hoof.

Since then, the BBC and SAGE members have driven the agenda, with worst case scenarios and figures taken out of context to scare the innumerate. The devolved governments have competed as to who can do most to protect people from the virus and the leader of the opposition has had a single cry of “more” .

And so, by starting with a plan which consisted of little more than “keep calm and carry on” , and with no division of UK and English government, we end up where we are now.

371718 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nigel_N, 9, #399 of 2114 🔗

The plan failed to take account of media scare-mongering, the growth in social meedja, 24/7 news channels on scores of channels, France threatening to close off its borders etc. The Government should have calmly put all the deaths in perspective (1700 die every day in the UK, more in winter) and coordinated the message with the Press and devolved governments. It was not a HCID.

374061 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #400 of 2114 🔗

Thanks for reminding me about the French threat to close borders, as I believe that was what ultimately forced Boris Johnson to lock down the UK.

371726 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nigel_N, 13, #401 of 2114 🔗

Plan A was the right plan. Had it been implemented, we would probably be no worse off than we are today in terms of Covid deaths and massively better off in terms of mental health and damage done to society and the economy. Unfortunately, the government caved into pressure from the media, other countries (Macron threatened to close the border) and possibly other sources.

371752 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Nigel_N, 8, #402 of 2114 🔗

If the gov had turned their propaganda machine to stopping fear and panic, I think anything could have been done.

372538 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Wolver, 1, #403 of 2114 🔗

It’s far easier to whip up panic than it is to quash it, perhaps because fear makes us stupid.

371815 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nigel_N, 12, #404 of 2114 🔗

The plan is fine, it just takes a bit of intelligence, moral courage and resolution to implement (see Sweden). Key to that is to quell fear, inform and contextualise. The government has done the exact opposite. The whole point of having a plan in the first place is so that you don’t panic and implement disastrous kneejerk policies. The plan is the response of grown-ups, the lockdown is the response of children.

371896 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nigel_N, 2, #405 of 2114 🔗

Whilst I sort of agree with the sentiment, Nigel, the IFR of this disease was never even close to 2.5%; it was clear, even from the Chinese who were determined to precipitate maximum panic, that the disease didn’t have anything like the impact on children; and it was clear that a significant proportion of the population enjoyed a degree of immunity from this disease. Sweden realised this, stuck with the plan and is seeing the virus disappear.

371713 Basics, 10, #406 of 2114 🔗

Not on topic, other than der covid pusher in chief in scotland looks like toast.

“Sensing a change of mood over the Salmond enquiry tonight. Sky News seem to be getting into their stride and doing some investigation and Andrew Neil seems to be about to turn the screw. Looks like the dam might burst soon.” From twitter.

Theres a new tv advert out – slogan its time to roll our sleeves up. The message comes up at the end of the advert, along with three logos saying Scotland and a subline #vaccinateScotland – or some wiffle.

As pointed out by A N other the public health message is swamped by the pro Scotland polictical message. As if a Scottish road ‘stop’ sign would have logos and the message ‘this stop sign is brought to you by Scotland’.

It is good to see the pressure ratchet up on sturgeon, her features are getting baggier by the day. 70% of Scottish people want her gone if she lied to parliament. There’s a lot of evidence out there even if it has been mysteriously decreed that Aberdein’s evidence won’t be heard and certain correspondence has been kept out of all inquiries and trials despite it existing and being requested by various parties to be released – sometimes the bucket of whitewash runs out.

371714 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #407 of 2114 🔗

Apparently we are supposed to believe that five million people have been vaccinated and not one has died.

When is the government going to publish the vaccine related death figures?

Surely the failure to publish such data necessarily renders the ethical requirement for informed consent impossible, as no one knows the risk of death.

371719 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #408 of 2114 🔗

I too would welcome information about deaths following vaccine that involve people who have been closely monitored after the jab and had a post-mortem. However, simply reporting deaths after vaccine would just be more junk data – it wouldn’t tell us anything about the risks of the intervention, espeically in the oldest age group.

371728 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #409 of 2114 🔗

I am sure you are aware that the government made a point of stopping post mortem examinations.

371772 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #410 of 2114 🔗

Yes I am, and I know I’m not going to get what I suggest above. But since I cannot accept that numbers of people dying within 28 days of a positive PCR is a valid indicator of anything much at all without context, I can’t accept deaths post-jab without context as a measure of anything either. For me, this just sanctions the sloppy, dishonest behaviour of our persecutors – I don’t believe in the idea of ‘if you can’t beat them join them’.

371793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #411 of 2114 🔗

Do you want people volunteering to be injected because they believe that millions of people have received the vaccine(s) and not one has died and that therefore the risk is zero?

371830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #412 of 2114 🔗

Cheap shot, Steve. One step away from crying “granny killer!”. I want people to be free to choose, based on an understanding of relative risk (not zero risk). I appreciate that lack of transparency means that this is not possible for everyone now but I sitll don’t think that reporting all deaths following a vaccine, without context, constitutes clear, helpful information that will assist individuals in making their own judgements.

372461 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Charlie Blue, #413 of 2114 🔗

We’re using 2 different vaccines: AZ and Pfizer. What if the death rate on one is massively different to the other? I think I would like to know. My mother is getting one on Monday. I’d like to know which and I would like to know if one is safer than the other.

371721 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #414 of 2114 🔗

some time never

371723 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #415 of 2114 🔗

They are getting away with so many lies and exaggerations they don’t seem to care now what we think.

371761 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 6, #416 of 2114 🔗

Not all propaganda is intended to persuade. Some propaganda, the blatantly incredible, is a loyalty test. It makes it easy to separate out the non-believers, making it easy to target them and persecute them.

371743 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #417 of 2114 🔗

When is the government going to publish the vaccine related death figures?”

I believe they have discussed “When Hell freezes over” as a possibility.

371777 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #418 of 2114 🔗

They will never release such data
The only thing we have is anecdotal accounts
That’s why it is important they are documented

Gab groups

Vaccine injuries & deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054

371816 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, #419 of 2114 🔗

I understand that in the US (and presumably similarly in many other countries) it is a requirement for all post-vaccine deaths (and adverse reactions) to be reported to VAERS in the US, the official body which collates statistics on all adverse reactions to vaccines. This applies to all occurrences whether believed to be directly or indirectly related to the vaccine, or not related at all. A verdict on actual cause of death is left to other experts to investigate. I don’t know what the timeframe is for defining ‘post-vaccine’, but my point is that figures are being collected and are being publicly reported in the US. The complete silence in this country in official reporting has to beg the question: What is the Government afraid of or trying to cover up?

371875 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #420 of 2114 🔗

I suspect they are afraid that the figures may well be comparable to Norway’s. In Norway twenty-five thousand people were vaccinated and thirty people died: a risk of more than one in a thousand of dying. This is highly significant especially when compared to the risk of dying from the virus.

372017 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #421 of 2114 🔗

Exactly!

372015 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #422 of 2114 🔗

Exactly – I’ve seen so many posts (including film evidence) of people with various types of vaccine damage since having the covid jab, and also stories of people’s relatives who have died..

371715 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #423 of 2114 🔗

If the new variants are so much more transmisable why isn’t the slope of the curve on the Euromomo charts steeper now than in the spring?

371733 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to NickR, 4, #424 of 2114 🔗

Because people have developed an immunity to covid over the last year, despite the gov best efforts..? Or its not “70%” more transmissible.. ?

371805 ▶▶ CGL, replying to NickR, 1, #425 of 2114 🔗

Your questions are far too sensible and reasoned you know

371716 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #426 of 2114 🔗

Preprint https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249721v1

New study in random sample of UK households estimates B117 new variant of SARSCOV2 is 6% more infectious than older variant. Suggests 60-80% estimates from non-random samples were indeed artefacts of conditioning-on-the-outcome.

371821 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #427 of 2114 🔗

Yes it’s a cold
If you can’t get over a cold then you need to step away from the fridge

371727 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #428 of 2114 🔗

recognise this guy?

371747 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #429 of 2114 🔗

Yep! Got it in one!

371868 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Banjones, #430 of 2114 🔗

a friend posted this on FB. I’m sure she was referring to DJT- but I’m betting she’s never heard of Klaus Schwab!

371872 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #431 of 2114 🔗

Trump worked for zero pay. Will tolerant unifying I’m here for you Biden do the same?

371729 PFD, 8, #432 of 2114 🔗

MSM and investigative journalism. Ironic that last night ‘All the Presdient’s Men’ was shown on television. A tour de force of investigative journalism, cross checking of facts and data by Woodward and Bernstein.

As with my comment below: where are the investigative journalists, and where are the comedians prepared to make mockery and savage the government – thinking of Peter Cook and Harold Macmillan.

371730 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #433 of 2114 🔗

Finally. A critical viewpoint on the government’s handling of vaccinations and abandonment of manufacturers recommendations.

Professor Herb Sewell on the decision to delay second stage of process to 12 weeks.

https://mol.im/a/9169697

371742 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #434 of 2114 🔗

His stance on this being a vaccine in the first instance negates his article. IMHO

371744 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #435 of 2114 🔗

What an absolute joke this conversative party is.

371731 alw, replying to alw, 12, #436 of 2114 🔗

Matt Cartoon in Torygraph sums it up very nicely

372340 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to alw, 1, #437 of 2114 🔗

The lie of “three weeks to flatten the curve” has certainly come back to haunt the government in a big way. Anyone who actually thought about the situation could see that one lockdown wouldn’t achieve much (unless of course it was pursued to the point of complete elimination, like in New Zealand).

371736 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #438 of 2114 🔗

By definition it is impossible to quantify Rumsfeld’s ‘Unknown unknowns’

This certainly applies to the extent of human knowledge and understanding of our immune system

Yet scientists are allowed to get away with making pronouncements about something they don’t fully understand

It’s like asking a hairdressing apprentice to change the engine in your £80,000 Ranges Rover

It will end it tiers

372597 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Cecil B, #439 of 2114 🔗

Or asking a Range rover technician to sort out your roots, or balyage if so inclined.

Hell hath no fury than a woman’s dodgy barnet.

371738 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #440 of 2114 🔗

I see our Dear Leaders (or their minions or masters) have just published their reply to the petition about so-called ”Freedom Passes”. The usual patronising tosh – with all the Newspeak buzzwords: ”Controlling the spread” ”chains of transmission”, etc.
And it says of the ”vaccine record card that ”It is not intended to be used for any other purpose, or as an immunity certificate”. Is that because they know it doesn’t give immunity? So what exactly IS the point of it then? (As if we didn’t know.)

371769 ▶▶ l835, replying to Banjones, 3, #441 of 2114 🔗

They might not intend it to be used as an immunity certificate, but that won’t stop bars or cinemas asking to see it.

371746 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #442 of 2114 🔗

Jesus wept.

One can’t escape this propaganda. Bet Hitler and Stalin never thought of using their postal systems:

371758 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #443 of 2114 🔗

It’s when the stamp has Whitty’s head on when I will really start to worry.

371765 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #444 of 2114 🔗

Oh gawd, I can’t unsee that now!!!

AAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

371946 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #445 of 2114 🔗

I would like to stamp on Whitty’s head – or have it misread your post?

372626 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #446 of 2114 🔗

Not if the stamp is a photo of his severed head. One for the collectors methinks.

371749 HelzBelz, 14, #447 of 2114 🔗

Somebody asked yesterday about best hope for getting out of this. It has to be the people saying enough is enough. the Italian opening IoApro – was this just for one day only, or are they still open?

And does anyone have any details on the UK supposed grand reopening next Saturday 30th Jan? I’m sure I’ve seen this somewhere but can’t find it now… thanks

371753 alw, 26, #448 of 2114 🔗

Vaccine humour…so true.

371755 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #449 of 2114 🔗

Government borrowing soared to £34.1BILLION in December | Daily Mail Online

The magic money tree is in full effect. £2.3 Trillion come summertime?

371760 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #450 of 2114 🔗

Crikey – its almost as if we are getting lined up for a great reset

371773 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #451 of 2114 🔗

Who is lending this money??
or is it all being printed???

371961 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #452 of 2114 🔗

I imagine the IMF will be offering rewards to countries that stick to the script.

371757 alw, 13, #453 of 2114 🔗

From the FSU weekly newsletter. Elon Musk has it right. Thank you Toby et al.

Tesla founder Elon Musk, who last week called Big Tech the “de facto arbiter of free speech”, endorsed the suggestion that Big Tech “has to make the distinction between banning hate speech and banning speech it hates.”

371759 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 11, #454 of 2114 🔗

The sheeple and the MSM….

371797 ▶▶ CGL, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #455 of 2114 🔗

A solitary existence unfortunately

371764 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #456 of 2114 🔗

Australia is a “Parallel Democracy”????
The UK stopped being a Democracy on March 23rd 2020..

371779 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #457 of 2114 🔗

The UK was a libertarian paradise compared to what happened in Victoria. At least you guys can leave the country for one.

371790 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Caramel, 6, #458 of 2114 🔗

Only if “jabbed” and tested “negative” apparently – if you want to fly at least.

We just can’t come back without going to prison enforced isolation.

371812 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to dhid, 1, #459 of 2114 🔗

https://www.facebook.com/reignitedemocracyaustralia/videos/2857102047892269/?sfnsn=scwspmo

This is how Dolores Cahill deals with it. People need to know the law, and be determined to use it in their own defence.

371817 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Caramel, 1, #460 of 2114 🔗

And go where?

371903 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #461 of 2114 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCg0r6Rg_sg

I like the Brazilian variant.

372735 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to rockoman, #462 of 2114 🔗

I love all Brazilian variants.

Disappointed this wasn’t the one I was hoping for.

But pleased to see folk living as they should.

371770 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 6, #463 of 2114 🔗

“Take Junction 3 off the road to Hell” towards the end of Round-up is an excellent summary of where we are at the present time. Grim reading but matches my personal opinion regarding the whole cluster**k.

371774 Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 27, #464 of 2114 🔗

Govt gave people in Delhi money for each dead cobra that they brought them as they wanted to reduce snake population.

This resulted in people breeding cobras & lead to a higher cobra population.

I wonder what a £500 Covid payment would do?

Google ‘cobra effect’.

371785 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 8, #465 of 2114 🔗

Great example! I remember reading about this previously. My only question is, how the hell do I go about catching ‘it’? I still don’t know anyone who has had a positive test and trips to the supermarket aren’t working. I suppose the only surefire strategy is to get myself admitted to hospital for something.

371881 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #466 of 2114 🔗

easy- make multiple requests to get tested and don’t turn up-sit back and wait for the false positive results to come back-as reported elsewhere- and collect your money

371893 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #467 of 2114 🔗

Ah! Perfect. I had forgotten that a no-show resulted in a positive.

372081 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #468 of 2114 🔗

I think its hard to catch in Telford. I have never used sanitiser or worn a mask or social distanced or elbow bumped etc. I have sat right next to people for 10 months in my work and have been on protests. I have never wiped shopping trolleys or shopping items.

Yet I have still not had anything…it really is terribly contagious isnt it!

Any one got any ideas? A massive orgy sex party or something ? I want my £500!

372141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #469 of 2114 🔗

What you are saying is really significant: it really is very difficult to catch covid. It was the same with experiments with the common cold – infecting volunteers was well nigh impossible.

So why do those who catch it, catch it? Well, that’s the question no-one is asking. If you did, the answer would lie in the host, not the virus. And this would bring germ theory crashing down. Viruses aren’t “dangerous” but people can be weak, old and unhealthy.

If you want to know the extent of a pandemic, just check changes in the health of the population (diet, drugs, vaccinations etc) and environmental challenges (e.g. winter, war, poverty, whatever). And there is your pandemic. The virus/bacteria is irrelevant – it is whichever turns up to take advantage (or even do some good??). Simples really.

372332 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Portnadler, 1, #470 of 2114 🔗

once you strip out obesity and the hidden diabetes you are left with very few healthy people catching covid

372785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Portnadler, 1, #471 of 2114 🔗

Just had a great chin-wag with a few other sceptics in a local cafe.

One guy’s 9 year old daughter tested positive and was quite poorly by all accounts, although he wasn’t entirely convinced as she had swelled hands and a rash to boot and he had zero faith in the PCR. They were a little too quick and content to put it down to Covid.

Anyhows, he and his wife took it in turns to sleep with her, with her coughing and sputtering all over them as they cuddled and comforted her, fully expecting them both to come down with it too. Turns out it wasn’t as contagious as they thought. Funny that.

Pleased to say she’s 100% recovered – but wants to know why the fuck she’s not at school or able to see her mates.

(My fuck, not her’s)

372367 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #472 of 2114 🔗

Dude, just “Act like you’ve got it.” Ask for your £500.

371791 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 3, #473 of 2114 🔗

Is that why the Pigtator chairs Cobra meetings?

372796 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #474 of 2114 🔗

Hehe – I wonder what the per diems are for attending those; they could probably make a 90’s supermodel blush.

371795 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 4, #475 of 2114 🔗

See prison inmates trying to catch covid so they could get reduced sentences of other privileges.

371849 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 2, #476 of 2114 🔗

handy if you recently had covid- go along and, as long as they are running a high ct, £500 is yours. Who knows, try it again a couple of weeks later. Anybody know how long you retain dead virus?

371938 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #477 of 2114 🔗

For ‘long covid’ you can look on it as a lifetime annuity.

372337 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Old Bill, #478 of 2114 🔗

and that’s why this idea has been dumped by lunchtime- the phrase was not put on the PM’s desk

371932 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 3, #479 of 2114 🔗

I hadn’t heard of that, but it is a great illustration of two points.

1] If the criminals and wideboys of the world used half of their intellect for legitimate purposes they wouldn’t need to be criminals.

2] If politicians of the world used twice their intellect they wouldn’t be bright enough to be criminals and wideboys.

371775 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #480 of 2114 🔗

The Spectator Tory “lite” LD sceptics seem to have panicked. They were the first to be bought with new transmissible strain argument (new but known since several months) and couldn’t even understand that if a normal LD didn’t work, how could it work for a more transmissible variant ? Along came the rush with the vaccines as a saviour for our “last” LD for the Spectator gang (with an alarming influence in the gov.). Now they are concerned that a vaccine resistant strain can be imported and destroy all the good and we therefore, in a LD/SD distant free UK world, need to shut our borders and implement Australian/NZ like isolation. But as a consolation the famous virus expert Fraser Nelson in Spectator reassures us there has not been a vaccine resistant strain been discovered among the 12000 strains.
These deluded people have no idea about viruses. This virus is constantly mutating like flu and will always in the Darwinistic pressure select the most transmissible strain which soon would be vaccine resistant. Have they not heard about the flu vaccine changing every year?
That a Tory government could even consider an Australian/NZ like solution must be the prime example that they have lost their marbles. Have they understood the geography? In order not to starve the  UK, Romanian/European lorry drivers will flow in unhindered with their nasty strains but UK citizens will sit 2 weeks paying a Heathrow hotel after having being abroad.
The Australian gov., Jacinda Ahearn seem almost a beacon of light compared to the current bunch of cretins in the UK gov. The publication of the Australian scientist discussing about vaccine and treatment was very revealing in yesterday’s edition. NZ/Australia just might afford 1 years isolation LD free watching the rest of the world being the guinea pig of the vaccines. They can then choose a vaccine similar in safety profile to the fluvaccine (and that is definitely not the current vaccines) and together with instituting early treatment if the virus was to appear again, they might, might be spared.
There must be something ominous in BJ speaking about prolongation of LD and nervousness about importing new vaccine resistant strain. The C-19 death figures in the UK highest in the world with 4 million doses of vaccine given. And that is a success story of the gov. handling the pandemic with a 10% GDP fall so far last year?

371786 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, 4, #481 of 2114 🔗

The Quisling Spectator

371780 Cecil B, 6, #482 of 2114 🔗

party
[ˈpɑːti]
NOUN

  1. a social gathering of invited guests, typically involving eating, drinking, and entertainment.

Presumably gate crashers have immunity from prosecution?

371782 James Leary #KBF, 2, #483 of 2114 🔗

‘Oh – What a Lovely Lockdown’

371783 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #484 of 2114 🔗
371923 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 1, #485 of 2114 🔗

This one too: https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-launches-investigation-into-big-tech-algorithms/

And this just in is worrying ‘ Google threatens to block its search engine in Australia if the government proceeds with a new code that would force it and Facebook to pay media companies for the right to use their content’ (Reuters)

371978 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 1, #486 of 2114 🔗

So many other platforms available – Google should go

371784 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #487 of 2114 🔗

“Gold’s mission has included touting the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, a phoney Covid- 19 cure that Donald Trump endorsed which carries serious health risks, and suggesting that the lockdown’s mental health effects were more harmful than the Covid-19 virus.”

Yeah, no debate on HCQ. It’s all just Trump lies. Gutter journalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/22/coronavirus-misinformation-simone-gold-americas-frontline-doctors

371943 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to pvenkman, #489 of 2114 🔗

Yep – now Covid cases will drop which Joe B will get the credit for, and also this will be seen as a sign that the vaccine is working…

371924 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #490 of 2114 🔗

HcQ was plenty good enough for a number of Hollywood celebs. Daniel Dae Kim called it a secret weapon; Hanks & Rita Wilson quietly took it too, early on in the pandemic. It also appeared to be good enough for prominent Democrats, Paul Vellone (NY) Karen Whitsett (MI) both claimed it probably saved their lives. One time considered Biden VP candidate Amy Klobuchar trashed Trump for mentioning the drug, having seemingly totally forgot that she praised it when her husband took it, she had said that he was severely ill & just got better overnight, after taking it.

371789 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 43, #491 of 2114 🔗

I read a comment made by Poppy earlier, she mentioned how depressed her boyfriend is. I feel so much for all the suffering going on, but according to some I am an evil covid denier. My fight is slipping away and I feel mentally exhausted with it all. Something struck me as well when it comes to mental health. A lot of people always say when someone commits suicide, if only they had said they were feeling so low, lots of people loved them and would have been there for them. This often is not true. Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. I know from experience how true that is, so you smile and say that everything is fine when you are dying inside, because no one wants to be around a misery guts!. Anyway, I hopefully will have a nice weekend with my son, eat drink and be merry is my motto for the next few days. I hope everyone on here has a good weekend and at least I know there are at least a few good people left.

371887 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hellonearth, 10, #492 of 2114 🔗

Best Wishes.

It may feel right now that this will last forever – it won’t.

371792 CGL, replying to CGL, 15, #493 of 2114 🔗

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/20/banning-maskless-shoppers-couldnt-come-soon-enough-for-me-13909582/amp/

If someone’s health is that poor, then why are they outside? What do they do in a normal year about avoiding flu? Why is it any different now?

371804 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 13, #494 of 2114 🔗

It’s the pompous self-regard that is so remarkable : ‘Everybody needs to dance to my tune’.. But I guess that brainwashing.

371959 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CGL, 4, #495 of 2114 🔗

They enjoy the power trip
It allows them to discriminate and virtue signal at the same time
As many have pointed out we have a rather large infestation of maskholes who are enjoying New Covidia PLC

371974 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CGL, 2, #496 of 2114 🔗

If someone’s health is that poor, then why are they outside?

Should be behind the sofa

372076 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CGL, #497 of 2114 🔗

Zealot logic
“if people are terrified of diseases then why are they outside?

371801 l835, replying to l835, 6, #498 of 2114 🔗

It’s all our fault… Covid lockdown rule breakers could ‘make pandemic longer’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55754961

371810 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to l835, 15, #499 of 2114 🔗

Yes, the evil rule breakers are simultaneously a tiny minority and responsible for every incidence of respiratory virus in the country.

People who lap this up are idiots.

371807 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #501 of 2114 🔗

Sorry for the second guardian link, maybe there should be a three strike rule. However this is interesting. So when they changed the dose strategy for the vaccine, it was obviously upsetting to many doctors who believe on having some data on safety and efficacy before injecting people with drugs. Instead, they decided they just had to “get over themselves”. This is what passes for the scientific method these days.

“But what about the sudden decision to offer just one dose, with a second 12 weeks later (probably)? Immunologists describe their visceral shock when the one-dose edict came down out of the blue from the chief medical officers and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation. Prof Deborah Dunn-Walters, chair of the British Society of Immunology’s expert advisory panel on Covid-19, says her committee was stunned: “As scientists we felt offended: after gazillions had been spent on vaccine trials, why throw it all away?” These scientists balked at approving a single dose without thorough trials and peer-reviewed results – and some still privately object. But in this deadly emergency, “I said we just have to get over ourselves” and by a narrow margin, the committee agreed to back the single dose.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/21/sweet-relief-vaccinated-not-return-normality-older-people-covid

371828 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #502 of 2114 🔗

Jeez. Throw away hundreds of years of developing rigorous scientific method and just “get over ourselves”. I’m sure we’re all reassured by that.

372905 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to WasSteph, #503 of 2114 🔗

And let that be the exact phrase to greet the maskoids and police wondering why you’re not wearing a bacteria facilitater or wondering what you’re doing out of the house – “Get over yourself”

This disgrace of a country has a lot of peeps that need to do just that, and get out of my way.

371838 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #504 of 2114 🔗

We should not forget this outrageous decision, made on Dec 29/30. The JCVI offered no scientific evidence to support their decision to allow dose 2 up to 12 weeks after dose 1. Therefore, the decision was made for other reasons. We are still waiting to understand what that was.

371980 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #505 of 2114 🔗

These scientists need to shut up and get back in line. They’re clearly putting everybody at risk with their anti-vax “concerns”.

The doctors too. Closet Deniers.

Remember, anybody who questions anything is a danger to life.

371811 Ganjan21, 15, #506 of 2114 🔗

Just when I thought I couldn’t be shocked anymore, this £500 payment for a positive test……what a complete fucking state this government is in. Do they not understand people are struggling to put food on the table, keep their homes warm, cancer patients are having tumours grow/spread because of delayed/cancelled treatment/surgery? Not to mention the the very long list of all the rest of collateral damage. Is money not better spent there? I really despair now.

371813 niko, 2, #507 of 2114 🔗

Re: Today’s ‘Woke Gobbledygook’

I’m generally under the impression of none being more asleep than the woke. But when the latest political entertainment concerns itself with whether heads of state are woke, especially addled Creepy Joe presiding over the US imperium, I know for sure this is an utterly discredited term empty of meaning. I just hope more are awake than woke.

371814 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 15, #508 of 2114 🔗

So I was chatting to a neighbour yesterday.
Neighbour:”.. oooh, and it’s getting worse now with this new variant, it’s all these people who don’t do as they’re told.”
Hoppy (exasperated): “No! I disagree! I think it’s very arrogant to think we can control evolution! Like all those idiot signs that went up a while ago saying ‘control the virus’! As if we can control life! We don’t even understand it properly! Life will find a way! If you clamp down only the really infectious strains will get through!!! It’s like saying, if only people in hospitals took more antibiotics, they’d stamp out all the hospital superbugs!”
Neighbour: (nodding in agreement) “Oh yes, all those people who take antibiotics for everything, even a cold, I’ve only taken antibiotics a few times in my life…”

… and for a moment I thought I was really getting somewhere…

…and then the next moment, I realised, no, even if the neighbour believes hospital superbugs are bred by people taking too many antibiotics, in a different, separate part of their brain, they will still, simultaneously, believe that if we clamp down hard enough on Covid it will stop evolving and disappear. You can’t reason with this sort of doublethink. In fact, to be fair, I’m sure we all do it, in one way or another, all the time.

371822 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #509 of 2114 🔗

Can you identify doublethink in your own thinking?

371829 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #510 of 2114 🔗

Well, yes and no.

371848 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #511 of 2114 🔗

Very witty.

371894 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #512 of 2114 🔗

Already posted

371857 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #513 of 2114 🔗

I’ve started using the phrase “like trying to keep smoke inside a birdcage” to describe how futile lockdowns are.

371954 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Jo Starlin, #514 of 2114 🔗

That’s a great analogy. Very useful, thanks.

371819 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 18, #515 of 2114 🔗

The £500 for getting a positive test marks a new level of insanity, and a perverse incentive for people to actually go and catch the virus!

The issue now is not about presenting logic or facts to the authorities, since we are well beyond that point. It is now about figuring out how long bouts of hysteria last, since these are well known in history. I am thinking of:

Medieval Witch hunts
Jewish pogroms
The Reformation
The Killing Fields
The Holocaust
The Cultural Revolution

etc.

All of these have their roots in fear and hysteria, but what brought about their end? Do things have to get really out of hand before people see sense again?

We are in a time that can only be described as ‘post-fact’ where fear and conjecture rather than cost-benefit drive policy decisions. And it has gripped nearly all of the world.

What are the exit routes – and don’t say vaccine or lockdown because it won’t be either. I am thinking more when do people get weary, when does it burn out, when do other things take more importance? Human affairs swing in pendulums and we are surely close to the limits of this particular arc.

Not sure I’m articulating this very well, but I’m looking beyond all the scientific arguments to the anthropological and sociological for some answers. Any thoughts welcome from my brothers and sisters (since that is what you sceptics are to me now in this world).

371846 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #516 of 2114 🔗

The madness will end when enough people recognise it as madness. There are various routes to this, but currently the only one open to us is non-compliance. Every act of resistance is a victory and potentially opens the eyes of others. Recall, Rosa Parks’ act of defiance was simply to refuse to conform to a rule on a bus.

Ignore the rules.

372130 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Hayes, #517 of 2114 🔗

All very interesting replies.

Yes, money is one constraint but the chatter now is of raising taxes on both sides of the Atlantic to deal with this. If you see ‘the rich’ as a source of consequence-free revenue, then they can fund a Zero-Covid policy for several years to come. That is a frightening thought.

I still like the idea of mass non-compliance but I fear like boiling frogs there is increasing acceptance. It takes energy to stay outraged and people are running out of steam.

371853 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #518 of 2114 🔗

I’ve been reading The Great Terror this week about Stalin’s purges of the 1930s. Enormous numbers of people willingly, eagerly, frantically even, participated in a process which they could clearly see would end in their own torture and execution. And it went on for years. Then again some bouts of madness pass in weeks. We can only keep going.

371949 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #519 of 2114 🔗

I too read the Great Terror, couple of weeks ago. Stalin pursued this ‘scientific’, societal self harm to the extent of risking national suicide, by purging 4/5 the of the generals, leaving Hitler a dumbed-down Russian army to steamroller. I followed ‘Terror’ with Conquest’s ‘Reflections on a ravaged century’. CENTURY! These ’bouts’ of ravaging can last a few lifetimes. Happy Friday!

371870 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #520 of 2114 🔗

Madness does not come cheap – it must be paid for.

The latest point when madness ends is therefore when the funds to finance it can no longer be found.

However, yes I think that covidianism can rightly be compared to fads and bouts of hysteria, the lifespans of which are driven by social dynamics.

371889 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #521 of 2114 🔗

When the money runs out.

371942 ▶▶ gina, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #522 of 2114 🔗

The hysteria that gripped Rwanda in 1994 – which was hyped and maintained by relentless government sponsored radio broadcasting – lasted 100 days – with a few sporadic outbreaks there after.
Interesting that those who wielded machete’s on their neighbours and their children claimed they were victims of a kind of temporary overwhelming madness – a sickness – according to interviews with prisoners awaiting trial after the event.

371992 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to gina, 1, #523 of 2114 🔗

Probably the most concentrated bout of mass murder in human history, and now widely forgotten.

371820 RickH, 10, #524 of 2114 🔗

the ever-present prospect of the emergence of new virus variants that can escape or weaken vaccine protection”

Which, of course, raises the question of ‘What protection?’, given that this has not been established – and can’t be – by definition – after such an inadequate testing programme.

The ‘variant’ scam is one that is going to keep on giving, isn’t it?

371823 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #525 of 2114 🔗

I’m understanding how my mum felt in her last months about waking up being painful, at least emotionally, and death not coming soon enough.

371844 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DRW, 13, #526 of 2114 🔗

DRW that’s a very worrying statement. Please don’t despair. There is hope and a future, even when you can’t see it. Don’t give up, and don’t stop posting – we’re here and we care.

371864 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to this is my username, 13, #527 of 2114 🔗

Seconded. Put bluntly, I need the connection I have here, which means I need you as well DRW.

371824 Cristi.Neagu, 5, #528 of 2114 🔗

I really do think we should start using a page out of the globalist book, and use the term “covidiot” to refer to lockdown nutters.

371827 RickH, 5, #529 of 2114 🔗

the management of COVID-19 to a similar place as we do seasonally, with the flu.”

which bit of antipodean wisdom seems ignorant of the fact that this is not primarilily via vaccines of unknown and variable efficacy.

371831 alw, replying to alw, 3, #530 of 2114 🔗

Just been speaking to a South African relative and gather there is a deadly bug in the Western Cape hospitals which is killing more people than Covid! Can anyone throw some light on this please?

371852 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 5, #531 of 2114 🔗

How can anything kill more people than covid?

371859 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to rockoman, 5, #532 of 2114 🔗

Yep fake news. COVID kills all.

371911 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to rockoman, 3, #533 of 2114 🔗

Ask our government, they manage it with aplomb.

371891 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, 4, #534 of 2114 🔗

Look at the black on black crime stats and you will see the real killer

371897 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #535 of 2114 🔗

Sadly.

371904 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to alw, 1, #536 of 2114 🔗

Probably Covid-21 the sequel. Life from now on.

371975 ▶▶ mj, replying to alw, 1, #537 of 2114 🔗

ANCovid

371832 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 31, #538 of 2114 🔗

First they said they had to lock us up because too many people will get it. Then they told the people they should pretend they’ve got it. Now they’re going to pay people to go and get it. Covid, the lamest Pandemic in history.

371866 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Achilles, 6, #539 of 2114 🔗

And who does this benefit (apart from the government itself in its never ending struggle to pan out the pandemic)? The small minority of people that are skiving working from home. Already on full pay (80% less their travel expenses is full pay) now every week they pop out to the testing centre and collect their £500 bonus so now they have a pay rise whilst most small business owners starve. Correct me if I am wrong this is a Tory government?

371876 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Old Bill, 4, #540 of 2114 🔗

In name only. Fairly clear we’re run by shills, either for the CCP ot the Green movement. Not sure that there’s any difference tbh.

372810 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #541 of 2114 🔗

They have certain interests that align at present.

Also recall that the, “united front,” concept is a cornerstone of the CCP’s political warfare doctrine, and they apply it constantly.

371833 Alan Taylor, 11, #542 of 2114 🔗

According to Matt Hancock: “It’s about making sure that new variants that might not have been dealt with as effectively by the vaccine… don’t arrive and to stop them from coming.”
The slight flaw in this argument is that the new strains might arise in the UK. What will they do then? Keep everyone in full lockdown?
There will never be zero risk. Let’s get back to living our lives.

371834 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #543 of 2114 🔗

With regard to the moral panic article, it seems that for the past 5-6 years, we’ve been in constant moral panic. One wonders what triggered this… Maybe the rise of populism in the US? The British people daring to scrounge together some modicum of national pride?

371850 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #544 of 2114 🔗

Social media and the outrage mob’s it generates. Also doesn’t help, that by historical standards, life is pretty comfortable for a lot of people. They need to find something to struggle against, ever notice how its rarely the working class that are outraged…

372201 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Wolver, #545 of 2114 🔗

Agree. I think this is also why these outrages are labelled as “First World Problems”

If you’re in the Third World, half the time your default position is staying alive and you wouldn’t have the time to think about what to get outraged or offended about.

371886 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #546 of 2114 🔗

IQ has been falling for decades for many reasons
This is it

371907 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Crystal Decanter, #547 of 2114 🔗

Do you really think the moral panickers have low IQs?

372046 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #548 of 2114 🔗

Yes
Otherwise they would be able to reason

371905 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #549 of 2114 🔗

We’ve been in some or other moral panic for hundreds of years. I think a few things have accelerated it though in recent years:

  • Proliferation of people educated far beyond their intelligence
  • Media driven to clickbait hypersensationalism by Facebook and Google taking their ad revenues.
  • Social media amplifies the clearest signal best, however far removed from reality that signal is.
  • Children raised as being the centre of the world in an all must have prizes universe.
371835 10navigator, 3, #550 of 2114 🔗

The Article today ‘Sage Should Not Exist’ begins with a quote “unanimity of opinion—”
I take that to read ‘consensus’.
Margaret Thatcher opined thus about ‘consensus’——–“The process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies in search of something in which no one believes.”

371837 RickH, 13, #551 of 2114 🔗

I note that Will Jones continues his tendency of reporting Scary Fairy stuff about ‘infections’ – aka ‘cases’ – aka self-reported cold symptoms – without starting off with the obvious sceptical point that these are not validated indications of any illness.

371839 Jo Starlin, 10, #552 of 2114 🔗

Just a note on the “moral panic” article today. Excellent in general but it repeats the “paediatrician driven from home by mob” story.

In actual fact what happened was that a doctor came home to find someone had written “peedo” on her garage door while she was out. There was no mob, no pitchforks, no petrol bombs hurled through windows. Her neighbours were baffled, the police investigated but drew a blank and suspected a bad practical joke or a thick teenager. And it took place in Bridgend, South Wales (for some reason it always gets relocated to Essex in the popular imagination).

If anything, the “moral panic” in that case was about imaginary chav vigilante mobs.

371840 kev, replying to kev, 4, #553 of 2114 🔗

Just type antifa.com into a web browser and see where it takes you.

You may be surprised!

371880 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to kev, 1, #554 of 2114 🔗

Haha holy crap!

371998 ▶▶ mj, replying to kev, #555 of 2114 🔗

love it . someone has been clever in getting the domain name

371841 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 13, #556 of 2114 🔗

The figures published by the governments own website – the office for national statistics, clearly show there is not and never has been a serious pandemic caused by coronavirus in the Uk. (see attached image)

Government and msm decrees that all information that disagrees with its current stance is ‘misinformation’ and therefore spread by conspiracy theorists.

The governments own website is therefore a conspiracy theory.

The government are therefore the conspirators.

All we need to do is to get this onto the front page of a newspaper – over to you for ideas!

371847 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Old Bill, 4, #557 of 2114 🔗

People will just see the large crude figure for 2020 and call us murderers I’m afraid. But we have to cling to reason and keep going.

372043 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Old Bill, 2, #558 of 2114 🔗

What this shows is that at a macro level we have a death rate of around 1% irrespecitive of the crap we do and rules we create. So this is a “Seatbelt” example

What’s not shown is what people die of as that tells a different story. I suspect eating better, socialising and exercising have positive effect. And if we moved to a reduced processed food econony maybe that number would start to dip. Maybe not but you know.

371842 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 32, #559 of 2114 🔗

Hydroqualathingymajig and Inverwhatsit are very cheap drugs that have been widely used for decades, and are known to be completely safe – many Doctors have been screaming that these drugs, when used correctly, can considerably help suffers from covid survive. A cheap and effective treatment, and even if all these Dr’s and their studies are wrong, the drugs are completely safe.

So why were Doctors forbidden to use them? – we know it can’t be for safety reasons – the only reasonable reason left is that certain people were worried that they would be too effective for treating covid and, at the very least, were bad for business and profits.

There are decision makers who have deliberately sentenced thousands of people to death for their own gain. International criminal courts are going to have a field day at the end of this….

371858 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 9, #560 of 2114 🔗

were bad for business and profits.

It has always been like that anything that. Follow the money. There are so many remedies / treatments out there for hundreds of ailments but they are very effectively censored. People are dying unnecessarily and could have been saved by cheap drugs / interventions

371878 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 7, #561 of 2114 🔗

The recent trial of one of HCQ involved overdosing very ill covid patients and killing them. It was quite acceptable to these people to commit mass murder to protect profits and any other agenda there may be

371890 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #562 of 2114 🔗

What are the future implications of this profiteering? In times of 5% death rate with effective, cheap drugs available will the same pharma ghouls withdraw them?
It is a moral question for the souless, how much suffering and death will they be comfortable with.
Given the oaverall effects including and apart from the covid of/with deaths damage wrought to human life is uncalculated. Yet they profiteer.

371861 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Major Panic, 2, #563 of 2114 🔗

Hope so

371869 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 5, #564 of 2114 🔗

HCQ is a killer and anyone who even pops a pill will keel over
CNN said so

371920 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #565 of 2114 🔗

And, even worse, Donald Trump endorsed its use.

371933 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 6, #566 of 2114 🔗

I think people in the US may soon see how ‘not dangerous’ Trump’s policies were, compared to Joe Biden’s…

Btw, anyone seen those photos of Joe B at the desk in the Oval Office, where there seems to be a car park visible outside? Which there is not… it is all garden outside the real Oval office. Is he on a film set?

371901 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Major Panic, 4, #567 of 2114 🔗

Maybe the politicians of some countries have actually signed the dotted line for their citizens to be part of the clinical vaccine trials and legally can’t allow those cheap drugs to be used. I remember hearing that the shelves were cleared overnight in Australia of them.

371930 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Major Panic, 10, #568 of 2114 🔗

Big Pharma is probably the most corrupt industry on the planet. They really have little interest in the actual health of the public, just in how much money they can squeeze out of them. Side-effects from that medication you’re on? No problem, just take this different drug to get rid of the side-effects! Their whole business model is based not on curing people but on making people dependent on their products for life. Of course, none of this matters as long as there as so many politicians willing to do their bidding for money.

372253 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Chicot, 2, #569 of 2114 🔗

Big Pharma were struggling. Covid provided the heaven sent gift.

372509 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to alw, #570 of 2114 🔗

Really not. Not for those who make drugs for those with cancer (fewer diagnoses), not for those who make drugs for skin conditions or mild bacterial infections (people not going to doctor for non-life threatening conditions), not for anyone relying on new diagnoses of just about anything other than COVID (HIV, RA, HRT…..ANYTHING). Even (surprisingly) vaccines….other than those for COVID, they just aren’t being done to the same extent – even the crucial paediatric ones.

Things that are doing well: asthma drugs (can help COVID patients), vitamins (especially vitamin D), and anything COVID related. Not many companies in these spaces, and a lot of the drugs used are old and generic and not big money spinners.

372024 ▶▶ kev, replying to Major Panic, 3, #571 of 2114 🔗

Both of these drugs are very well understood, at specified dosage levels they are remarkably safe. There is a risk of side effects, but these are very well understood, at those standard dosage levels.

The only real unkown is the efficacy of these drugs in treating this particlar virus. There is also the risk of an unknown and unexpected adverse effect to this specific virus, but that would have been noticed in Countries where these drugs have been used. Yes, there are risks, but if I was close to death and offered a possible treatment I would probably accept the risk.

There seems no rational or ethical reason not to use them for treatment of infections, or possibly as a prophylactic, as long as the dosage levels are well undersood.

372117 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kev, #572 of 2114 🔗

All information here
https://c19ivermectin.com/

372212 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Major Panic, 2, #573 of 2114 🔗

This virus has opened up a lot of possibilities for litigation when this is all over. From discrimination suits to side effects of vaccine and mask wearing, those dying from untreated illnesses and conditions, unfair dismissal, etc

Companies, governments and individuals should be afraid, be very afraid as lawyers are now circling like vultures around them.

371860 davews, replying to davews, 19, #574 of 2114 🔗

Well just back from my twice weekly Tesco shop. Given the increased aggro I have resorted to wearing a mask even though by any interpretation of the law I am exempt for multiple reasons. This morning no less than two burly looking chaps at the entry. He gave me a good looking over, not sure what he was trying to say but had to lower my steamed up glasses to even see him. ‘Yes, I know your pain’ he commented, so maybe they also realise how stupid the rules are.

At the checkout, one of the women I have got to know well. She commented that I normally didn’t wear a mask and when I remarked that I am self exempt she tried to say that nobody can self exempt themselves and this is a private place so the management can do what they liked. It seems that her grandchildren had had the virus in a bad way so maybe I was on tricky ground.

Having got home I realised that not a single person had smiled to me or even said a cheery ‘good morning’. I used to go daily to that shop simply because I live by myself a nice cheery smile and chat made my day. Now it is an utterly miserable and upsetting experience and nobody seems to want to care.

371884 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to davews, 10, #575 of 2114 🔗

I understand how you feel. Britain is a nation of people who smile at strangers – that’s not the case everywhere. I’ve felt so shutdown the last few months, and instead of looking at people and smiling with no mask, I’ve been mostly avoiding even looking at them.

371885 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 12, #576 of 2114 🔗

Seems like the staff have been told to come out with the “this is a private place” spiel. Totally at odds with what I was told by the CEO’s office, that all you have to do is say “exempt” and that should be the end of the conversation.

371958 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 5, #577 of 2114 🔗

“this is a private place” spiel.

Yes indeed. They are clearly breaching the Equalities Act – as mentioned a lot on LS is that it is the same as denying a black person entry due to their race even if it is regarded as a Private Place.

371968 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #578 of 2114 🔗

I wonder who told them to use it. And why, if I’m being given written assurances that I will not be refused entry, are other people having problems.

372075 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, #579 of 2114 🔗

So’s my wallet. It only is opened for businesses I want to open it for. That wouldn’t be Tesco (or Aldi) now.

371888 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to davews, 10, #580 of 2114 🔗

Maybe time to get home deliveries and just go out to open spaces. I do that, just forget about the shops, but having a walk its a real treat that no one, where I go at the coast, wears a muzzle and there are a lot of greetings. Shopping is a miserable experience and I decided a while ago to give it a miss.

371941 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, 1, #581 of 2114 🔗

Totally agree

371988 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, 5, #582 of 2114 🔗

Home deliveries are no silver bullet.

Your fresh produce (eggs, meat, dairy, fruit and veg) are being picked out of the pile by someone who doesn’t know you or give a shit about you or your perception of what is a ‘good’ piece of steak.

372019 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to AidanR, 4, #583 of 2114 🔗

Indeed, and being on my own delivery charges and minimum order levels make it almost impossible. I like to decide what I need on a daily basis – and in fact today added a couple of things that had not even been on my list. As well as it being yet another cause of less interaction with real people.

Just back from a walk in the local park. Sadly quite a few totally masked up and going way off the paths to avoid me. At least the dogs acted as dogs do… Before lockdown I did both the London Loop and Capital Ring and those days out in London really made my day. Now all those are effectively on the back burner, I can’t even go on the train without being seen as an outcast.

372044 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to davews, 1, #584 of 2114 🔗

But, Dave, you’re failing to recognise that all these people who fail to interact, look miserable and jump out of your way are doing it because they care about you! 😉

371895 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to davews, 7, #585 of 2114 🔗

Some of these staff are just making up their own policies. Large corporations don’t generally like staff doing that. I haven’t had any trouble in the multiple Tesco stores I have been in lately. I even got given a Tesco branded lanyard!

Complain.

371900 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #586 of 2114 🔗

Agree. Here is the e-mail address:

ceo.customerservice@tesco.com

371993 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 3, #587 of 2114 🔗

Great. I’d strongly advise anybody who is mistreated to send an email to this address.

As we know, and as is even clearly displayed on posters at stores, this is not Tesco policy. It is the personal policy of overzealous staff.

Maybe one day it will become policy, but right now it is not. Nobody should be letting a few rogue staff members harass them.

372034 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 1, #588 of 2114 🔗

Although I’ve had a missed call (on Wednesday) and a message saying they will write in response to my complaint I still do not have that response 9 days since I sent the complaint to Lloyd’s.

372020 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #589 of 2114 🔗

I have also been in Tesco regularly recently including yesterday lunchtime which is normally busy. Wasn’t even challenged yesterday but an ‘I am exempt’ has always sufficed.

371944 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to davews, 4, #590 of 2114 🔗

That human contact is priceless, I know. I used to take joy in living in a place where I greeted everyone I passed, whether or not I knew them.

As an aside, most people have no certainty at all that what they or their family have had is ‘covid’. My sister and her family currently have ‘covid’, but what they have had is one positive test.

371960 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 2, #591 of 2114 🔗

Vote with your feet

372047 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to davews, 5, #592 of 2114 🔗

It’s not regarded in law as a private place. This is the definitely widely used by English Police/courts etc:
“Public place” includes any highway and any other premises or place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise ”.

Basically if a member of the public can typically just walk in somewhere (even if that involves paying) then it’s a public place. Doesn’t matter who owns the land.

372520 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #593 of 2114 🔗

I don’t disagree with you. Because you’re right.

But, on that basis, how do nightclubs discriminate? When the doorman won’t let someone in “because you’re fat” or “because you’re ugly”, or as one said to a friend of mine once at uni “not in that fucking horrible jumper, mate” (he wasn’t wrong about the jumper). Does it have to be a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act for it not to be discrimination? And being fat, or ugly or having bad dress sense don’t count?

Just curious.

372070 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to davews, 5, #594 of 2114 🔗

You’ve just participated in your own enslavement. know the law, stay exempt, if anybody questions you again state the following.

I AM Exempt from wearing a face covering.

To insist that I disclose why is breach of SECTION 29 (5) (A) of the EQUALITY ACT 2010

To Deny me entry and/or services is breach of SECTION 13 (1) of the EQUALITY ACT 2010

373033 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Andrew K, #595 of 2114 🔗

A few days ago someone posted an image including that wording below a standard “I am exempt” image. I printed it out and laminated a few copies for myself and anyone who wanted one.

I have it in my hand at the local Sainsburys when I go in but so far saying that I’m exempt has meant that I’ve not had to use it

373042 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, #596 of 2114 🔗

Here it is again

372215 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to davews, 1, #597 of 2114 🔗

Went to Tescos myself this morning. Guy on the door asked me if I could wear a mask and I told him I was exempt and that was the end of it. It seems to vary from store to store how zealous they are over enforcing the muzzle wearing. Pretty depressing experience. Everyone including all the stuff were wearing masks. Previously quite a few of the cashiers would be maskless, now compliance is 100%.

371862 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #598 of 2114 🔗

I note that the item on the efficacy of the November lockdown contains this statement :

Our best reference point is the ONS series of COVID-19 related deaths by date of occurrence.”

This is categorically wrong, given what we know about the way in which ‘Covid related’ deaths are defined (the 28-day PCR nonsense).

The only reliable data we have is ONS all-cause mortality. We simply do not know the role of Covid-19.

371982 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #599 of 2114 🔗

I doubt ONS data supports the efficacy of the November lockdown. Interpreting regional (or national) epidemic curves is not straightforward.

In some regions (e.g. London) incidence was clearly declining before L2. In other regions there was a decline of the growth rate. This leads to a peak.

This is before we account for ~5 day incubation period. Initial infections probably peaked before L2.

372029 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, #600 of 2114 🔗

I wasn’t arguing a contrary conclusion – quite the opposite, which I have firmly espoused since last April. Just picking up on the use of garbage data.

372026 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 1, #601 of 2114 🔗

Yep. And we now have almost a year of the “experiment” and we have controls as well.

No significant effects of anything except mass hysteria

371863 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, -40, #602 of 2114 🔗

I no longer consider myself a lockdown sceptic (especially not now that vaccines are here), but your “What happened to Plan A” article shows that populist politicians have indeed been unfairly scapegoated for the dreadful response by Western countries to this pandemic.

Any honest zero-Covid advocate would have to admit that the problem wasn’t that Western politicians were unwilling to follow the science (for reasons of wanting to minimize economic damage and/or avoid unpopularity).

The problem was that the Western scientific establishment itself simply didn’t believe it was possible to contain a highly contagious respiratory epidemic, until China demonstrated that it could actually be done (and in doing so, ignited a worldwide moral panic).

Was their failure sort of like the insufficient lifeboats on the Titanic, which was down to maritime regulations written in a pre-radio era and which did not account for the new possibilities of rescue made possible by radio?

371867 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GCarty80, 19, #603 of 2114 🔗

Do you actually believe that China “demonstrated it could be done”? You believe anything that comes out of the Chinese propaganda machine?

371929 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #604 of 2114 🔗

Our propaganda machine is doing a fair job of making people think there is a plague on. The OP pre-supposes the numbers of thoses who have a covid connection are reality – not intended as criticism of the op. All it takes is this or that propaganda machine to turn the hot or cold tap off or on.

It’s really simple.

372010 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 3, #605 of 2114 🔗

It’s the Phantom Measurement. Invent something by giving it an official title, create a vague set of metrics and away you go.

371973 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jo Starlin, -5, #606 of 2114 🔗

I’m fairly confident that the real case and death numbers in China are about an order of magnitude higher than what they’re claiming, but that still makes them about as successful (per capita) as Australia or South Korea.

Australia quarantines and tests all of its repatriated citizens. When flights landed from the US, Europe or India there are almost always at least a few infected people on board, but not a single person returning from China has tested positive since last March (or February if we exclude Hong Kong).

By that point the only way China could have avoided exporting the virus (if it were still widely prevalent there) would be if they quarantined departing foreigners, and if they did this the foreigners involved would have ratted the Chinese out once they were back on home soil.

372021 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GCarty80, 5, #607 of 2114 🔗

There seems no correlation in the Far East between measures taken and infection/death rates, which to me strongly suggests widespread pre-existing immunity among their populations, and/or a different strain to that which ended up in Europe and the Americas. As to New Zealand, its government imposed measures a couple of days after we did. Its government seems to be trying to claim the credit for its physical geography.

372251 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jo Starlin, -1, #608 of 2114 🔗

Agree that physical geography was a big part in the success of Australia and New Zealand, but note that Argentina failed to benefit similarly from its isolated southern location.

372298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to GCarty80, 3, #609 of 2114 🔗

Australia and New Zealand are both islands. Argentina shares a land border with 5 other nations.

372308 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Chicot, -2, #610 of 2114 🔗

Although Uruguay has been surprisingly successful given it borders two countries (Argentina and Brazil) that both did very badly.

I also guess the UK’s island status is why zero-Covid zealots have more of a following here than they do in mainland Europe.

372527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to GCarty80, #611 of 2114 🔗

Could it be that they are using different Ct counts to measure cases? All the data are highly susceptible to being manipulated. It’s nigh on impossible to compare countries due to differences in lab accuracy/test sensitivity.

372817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to GCarty80, #612 of 2114 🔗

Clearly you know your stuff and have decided to roll your sleeves up and tackle the hardcore. Beats me why. The new orthodoxies of the establishment seem to require the stamping out of heretics rather than reasoned debate where scepticism is normal not a dirty word. Why do you feel the need to fight? You remind me with your Aussie repats from China tale of the christians who said that an exploding beetle was an anomaly that proved the existence of God. You have zeal and and shield of moral righteousness. Fine, go and hammer your obvious peers, Ioannidis, Kulldorf, etc. Firing chaff stats up pointing out discrepancies everywhere merely makes the case of incoherent data so rethink. It’s called science. Sorry to patronise but it’s what you are doing. It’s chaff (military sense). Occam’s Razor! Heard of it? It’s crucial here. None of the stats and country comparisons does anything except have us all chasing around for other facts to counter. The belief that there is an event that is out of the ordinary seasonal and longer term flu/pseudo-flu fluctuations is clearly foundational to you. Then all follows for you. There is nothing to see that cannot be explained by the old viral epidemiology. Viruses have single waves. All else is panic, sheer hysteria, ideology, our weather vane leader, inadequate regular NHS winter responses, earlier poor medical responses, throwing the elderly under buses, mild 2019, extreme testing, misuse of RT-PCRs, idiotic Ct, absent definitive diagnosis, abandonned death cert rigour, reassignment of flu to Covid etc. Extremely clever people convinced the sky is falling in. It’s Winter. Woo your lockdown is bringing the numbers down.
No, chuck. This is the annual pattern. Even if you were right, your measures trash our rights and our humanity, blight our children and KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOUR PSEUDO-FLU DOES. How many times do we have to repeat these simple facts things to get them into your very clever, deluded head. We start from facts here not beliefs. Right, I’m off to have my tea Good day to you.

373299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #613 of 2114 🔗

Well put. thankyou

373602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #614 of 2114 🔗

Oh I say, is that the bombardier beetle you mean? Said to be rather a problem for the molecule to man neo-Darwinists. Did they ever come up with a compelling response to it? (And I don’t mean of the amino acids to proteins type – ” but it could happen because those experts in statistical probability know nothing innit”).

No miracle so big that it can force people to believe in God. There isn’t supposed to be. Free will. From a philosophical point of view, I understand, there is no such thing as certainty, only cumulative probability. But we can get a fair idea of things by making an honest appraisal of the information available to us.

371883 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to GCarty80, 22, #615 of 2114 🔗

I wonder how it is that lockdown has now become acceptable to you due to vaccines that we have been told clearly and repeatedly will not lead to a relaxation of restrictions or avoid further lockdowns? Is there any limit, in your mind, to how long lockdown could go on for before you question its necessity and efficacy again?

371906 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to GCarty80, 14, #616 of 2114 🔗

I feel like I’m on a different planet to you. The last year has clearly demonstrated that it is not possible to contain a highly contagious respiratory epidemic.

371935 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Dan L, -13, #617 of 2114 🔗

China, Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand would disagree with you there.

And South Korea kept it bottled up for a long time, even though they eventually failed in December.

371964 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GCarty80, 8, #618 of 2114 🔗

Do you not think there might be biggger confounding factors here.

South East Asia, Australia, NZ. India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and much of Africa get off relatively lightly – i.e. few cases& relatively very low mortality rate while Europe, South. Central & North America are hammered.

This, despite the fact that Peru introduced a strict military-imposed lockdown before a single death had been recorded. Peru were the first (or second) country to reach 1k deaths per million fatality rate.

Discuss….. and please include Belarus in your reply.

372008 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #619 of 2114 🔗

… and don’t forget Sweden … despite all the myths being spread about it.

372248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to RickH, #620 of 2114 🔗

Sweden enjoys similar advantages as the rest of Scandinavia: a well-funded health service (that had maintained good stockpiles of PPE), no problems with urban overcrowding, a culture that was already conducive to social distancing, and a lack of multigenerational households.

Sweden still did far worse than the rest of Scandinavia: not so much due to lack of lockdown as to abandoning test-and-trace fairly early on, as well as a more vulnerable elderly care set up (bigger care homes, more use of agency care workers). Immigrant communities in Sweden (especially Somalis) were also very badly hit largely due to cultural factors.

372749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to GCarty80, 1, #621 of 2114 🔗

Ivor Cummins covered Sweden compared to its neighbours very well. in addition to the points you raised, Sweden had a low death count in the 18/19 flu season relative to Norway, leaving more elderly alive when COVID appeared and Finland has been fortifying certain foods with Vitamin D since 2003.

373604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ewan Duffy, #622 of 2114 🔗

And the Oresund region. Different restrictions, similar IFR as I recall.

372108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, 1, #623 of 2114 🔗

India, bangladesh and pakistan are all using HCG and Ivermectin. No lockdown in India at present.

372153 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 1, #624 of 2114 🔗

People seem to throw NZ out as a model to follow rather than an outlier. No easy answers this way lies

372228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #625 of 2114 🔗

Comparing New Zealand to the UK is completely ridiculous. It’s isolated from pretty much everywhere but Australia and has more sheep than people. Maybe if we towed the UK out to the middle of the South Pacific and got rid of about 90% of our population we could follow their example, but it’s not really the most practical solution.

372354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #626 of 2114 🔗

And NZ is pretty easy to explain: very harsh lockdown which began with a number of cases that was small due to NZ’s inherent geographic advantages.

It’s the countries that had few cases and deaths, but without following an explicit policy of eradication — Japan, Norway, Finland and Uruguay — that are the really hard ones to explain.

372236 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Mayo, #627 of 2114 🔗

I don’t believe that the Indian subcontinent, Indonesia and tropical Africa are doing that much better in containing the virus. They’re just suffering far fewer deaths because of their younger demographics: this doesn’t just mean that they have far fewer old and frail people (by the way, Swedish data shows very few excess deaths among the independently-living elderly: it was overwhelmingly those who live in care homes or depended on home help who were dying) but that those who do exist are far less likely to be dependent on institutional care.

Plus a lot of Africans are still subsistence farmers, and thus have hardly any contacts with the outside world that would get them infected in the first place.

Don’t know the details about Belarus, except that it’s interesting that this neo-Soviet dictatorship has a Covid response that is pretty much at the opposite extreme from those of the Asian communist regimes.

372018 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GCarty80, 3, #628 of 2114 🔗

So if (against all the analysis) government NPIs are at the root of all these differences (rather than a range of other factors) – why has their extreme use in the UK resulted in no significant effect?

372359 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to RickH, #629 of 2114 🔗

Our lockdown wasn’t the harshest in Europe by any means. That would be Spain, though it didn’t do them much good either.

372023 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to GCarty80, 5, #630 of 2114 🔗

The all-cause mortality would disagree with you. If more deaths per population occurred in 2008 than now why is 2020 suddenly magical?

Similarly if 64,000+ people die in Jan 2018 when no lockdown measures were ever contemplated and that was ACCEPTIBLE, then the bar for what is acceptable is actually very high?

Why has that changed?

Because you’ve been the subject of propaganda.

This is something that scientists and anyone doing experiments is constantly warned about.

372027 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mhcp, 3, #631 of 2114 🔗

The Jan 2018 figure was for England and Wales only. The UK figure was over 73,000.

372269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #632 of 2114 🔗

Sorry it’s 2000 to 2003.

372072 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to GCarty80, #633 of 2114 🔗

Did we in Europe and USA really do anything different to those countries in terms of lockdowns etc – why didn’t it work for us?

372115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 2, #634 of 2114 🔗

It would be really useful to know if there is a particular aspect in the NPIs that those countries have implemented which allows them to control the virus. I can’t really see what it is (apart from luck?) we seem to have attempted to replicate all the measures they have taken and then some. If you had written this message a few months ago you would have been praising Germany and Czechia for their approach. They have followed the playbook and look at them now.

372223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Dan L, #635 of 2114 🔗

Australia and New Zealand were primarily down to geographic good fortune (as mentioned above), while a key factor in the Asian success stories is their use of centralized quarantine, which Western governments didn’t dare introduce, presumably because it smacks too much of concentration camps.

372218 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Dan L, #636 of 2114 🔗

They didn’t all react in the same way.

The main way in which Australia and New Zealand differ from Europe and the Americas is that they had far fewer cases at the point when they went into lockdown.

This is because they were favoured by geography: being isolated meant they were importing fewer cases (and I suspect in Australia the bushfires may also have helped by keeping the tourists away). And because they were in the southern hemisphere, the virus spread far more slowly in their pre-lockdown months (because it was summer).

Even so, it took very harsh and prolonged lockdowns (as well as locking all non-residents out of the country, and only letting a trickle of their own residents back in) that won them the success they achieved. Note that Argentina had similar geographical advantages to Australia and New Zealand, but totally blew it nonetheless.

372103 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to GCarty80, 2, #637 of 2114 🔗

Stange anothe 77th brigade posted those exact countries in exactly the same order. All distactorships or now prison colonies. Starnge how NZ banned anti-gen test in Feb last year, what were they hiding. Summer in oz and NZ lets see what winter brings.

372148 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GCarty80, #638 of 2114 🔗

Laughable. Yeah Vietnam managed this with what exactly? We’ve thrown the kitchen sink at the thing.

Pre existing immunity

372194 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #639 of 2114 🔗

Like Taiwan, Vietnam was in China’s immediate neighborhood, which meant they felt seriously threatened by the virus very early on — unlike Western countries, whose minimal cases of SARS in 2003 (Canada excepted) had lulled them into a false sense of security.

Also like Taiwan, Vietnam had been spying on China and thus knew just how contagious the new virus was when the CCP was still denying that human-to-human transmission took place.

Both Taiwan and Vietnam shut down international travel very early on (January 2020 for Taiwan, unsure of the exact date for Vietnam). Taiwan then mopped up the cases already in the country using the superb test-and-trace system they had set up in response to SARS.

Vietnam by contrast was a poor country that didn’t have this level of technological sophistication. To make up for their relative lack of testing capacity, they repurposed their communist police state to be able to track down people up to 5 degrees of separation from confirmed cases . They referred to them with code numbers from F0 to F5.

F0s (confirmed infected) were always hospitalized regardless of symptoms.
F1s (direct contacts of F0s) were quarantined in camps, as were many F2s (direct contacts of F1s). The remaining F2s as well as F3s (contacts of F2s) were mandated to self-isolate at home or in hotels, while self-isolation was recommended for F4s and F5s.

By May 1 2020 Vietnam had had just 270 cases (many flown in from overseas) but 70,000 stays in government quarantine facilities and 140,000 instances of hotel or home isolation.

371908 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to GCarty80, 17, #640 of 2114 🔗

Always good to hear different points of view. After the colossal damage that has been done (it’s only just getting started), I would find it hard to justify doing something like this again unless we were facing a plague-like threat, which we are not. It has been the longest 3 weeks of our lives.

You might become sceptical again when it is time to pay for all of this.

Hopefully, you have a safe job and no children to worry about, you own your main house outright and have safe pension funds / investments / savings – in this case you might just stand a chance. If not (like most of us) then good luck…

371910 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to GCarty80, 3, #641 of 2114 🔗

We locked down before China ‘demonstrated’ apart from brutality.

372387 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #642 of 2114 🔗

The decision to go into lockdown in the first place was driven by panic at what was happening in Italy (along with a good degree of Chinese social media propaganda), but it was the apparent success of Chinese suppression of the virus (in which centralized quarantine arguably played a greater role than the Wuhan lockdown per se) that led to the calls to do more than just keep infection rates just low enough not to overwhelm the health care system.

South Korea’s apparent success at containing the virus using test and trace was no doubt also influential, given that European countries generally looked to that (rather than full elimination) as their lockdown exit strategy.

371913 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to GCarty80, 30, #643 of 2114 🔗

I don’t care whether it’s possible or not to contain it. You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control. That’s unprecedented and completely insane. Give advice, put systems in place to allow vulnerable people to shield if they want and let everyone decide for themselves how much risk they are comfortable with.

371948 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Chicot, 13, #644 of 2114 🔗

Exactly. Basic rights and freedoms can’t just be turned on and off at the will of the government. There is no scenario in which lockdown is acceptable and if the threat was really that evident we would be doing it ourselves voluntarily anyway without legislation. Lockdown is a crime.

372304 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Achilles, #645 of 2114 🔗

Lockdowns are also extremely expensive to the state (in furlough payments and lost tax revenue). Perhaps that’s why Western governments felt they could get away with imposing them (because they knew their publics would know there was a powerful incentive to lift them again once the danger was over), but they felt they couldn’t get away with introducing centralized quarantine?

372002 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Chicot, 14, #646 of 2114 🔗

You simply do not remove the basic human rights of the entire population as a means of disease control. That’s unprecedented and completely insane”

It’s peculiar how that needs restating, isn’t it?

372138 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, 4, #647 of 2114 🔗

It certainly is Rick and it shows how much the culture has been shifted these last 10 months.

372260 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chicot, 3, #648 of 2114 🔗

Exactly
99.7% survival rate FFS
and don’t give me this long Covid bollox – any virus can have complications including the other Corona colds which are perfectly capable of bumping off 82 yr olds

371919 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to GCarty80, 13, #649 of 2114 🔗

So after almost a year of these policies, and politicians now suggesting that many of these restrictions will continue (or even tighten) after the vaccine roll out, you believe that the benefits outweigh the societal, health and economic costs?

How have you come to that conclusion?

372429 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #650 of 2114 🔗

Dunno about that: I just know that the vaccine rollout means there’s a stronger case for lockdown now .

Incidentally, I’m wondering what would have happened if zero-Covid zealots (not that the term was in widespread use at the time) had been in charge in March 2020, and had made it clear in their public messaging that their aim was to eliminate the virus, not just “flatten the curve”. What do people here think is the relative likelihood of the following outcomes:

  1. Virus successfully eliminated, and the zero-Covid government receives the adulation of an overjoyed public.
  2. Virus successfully eliminated, but the zero-Covid government goes down in infamy due to public being sickened by brutality of their measures
  3. Zero-Covid government brought down by a parliamentary vote of no-confidence, as inability to sufficiently seal the borders means there is no way out of lockdown.
  4. Zero-Covid government brought down by a mutiny among (police or military) enforcement personnel, sickened by what the government is ordering them to do.
  5. Some other outcome I haven’t thought of yet?
371956 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GCarty80, 7, #651 of 2114 🔗

How’s that vaccine working for you? Are you back to normal yet?

371984 ▶▶ mj, replying to GCarty80, 2, #652 of 2114 🔗

sorry, but dont believe a single word that emanates from China.

372000 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to mj, -2, #653 of 2114 🔗

Neither do I, but I do believe the total lack of positive cases since March among Australians repatriated from China, as I don’t see how the Chinese could fake that without being caught doing so.

371995 ▶▶ RickH, replying to GCarty80, 4, #654 of 2114 🔗

I no longer consider myself a lockdown sceptic (especially not now that vaccines are here).

I’m still trying to work out the logic of that one.

“populist politicians have indeed been unfairly scapegoated “

… and that one …

“China demonstrated that it could actually be done”

… and that little pearl of wisdom … (How would you know?)

372085 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to RickH, #655 of 2114 🔗

“I’m still trying to work out the logic of that one.”

Because vaccination gives us a definite endpoint to look forward to.

“… and that one … ”

I’m saying that when US liberals say things like “400,000 people are dead because of Trump” I don’t buy it one iota (even though I’d agree with them that Trump is a scumbag).

You may interested in Nick Rafter’s analysis: The COVID19 Pandemic Wouldn’t Have Gone Much Better Under Hillary

“… and that little pearl of wisdom … (How would you know?)”

See my point elsewhere about repatriated Australians.

372126 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to GCarty80, 3, #656 of 2114 🔗

I hope that you’re right about vaccinations giving us a definite endpoint, but all the evidence is that the politicians are now backtracking about this and adding on additional conditions (no new variants?) that could extend lockdown indefinitely.

372016 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to GCarty80, 7, #657 of 2114 🔗

Western science was wrong but not about lockdowns, It simply had no idea to what extent the virus had spread within countries. This was certainly the case in the UK.

UK reported 23 cases by Feb 29th.

This was in error by several orders of magnitude as can be demonstrated by date of deaths data.

The first wave had already peaked when there sudden panic kicked in. The onset of summer brought an end to the first wave, It had sweet FA to do with the lockdown.

372079 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to GCarty80, -2, #658 of 2114 🔗

The number of down votes for your thoughtful comments tells us what the problem with with Lockdown Sceptics now. The comments are full of zealots in the opposite direction who can’t accept a different point of view either. It’s one of the reasons reasonable people are leaving this site. Fanatics are just as bad on either side of the debate.

It’s been clear from day one that the only way to deal with this is to either seal the borders and do the full China, or go to the Swedish approach of standing the consequences (on the basis that society is not there merely to save existences, but to allow people to live).

The problem is that the politicians try to sit in the middle and won’t pursue brutal eradication, nor will they shut down the hysterical and tell them they are going to have to learn to live with it.

The approach we are taking at the moment is going to result in this dragging on far longer than necessary.

372098 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #659 of 2114 🔗

Nobody truly knows what happened in Wuhan, some reports were thousands starved to death after being sealed in their homes. Also remember to wuham wiggle were people were seen to collapse on the street. Not seen anywhere else!!!

372157 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #660 of 2114 🔗

Downvotes are just an expression of personal opinion, this is not the same as censure or deplatforming. People downvoting are saying they don’t agree, they are not demanding this is misinformation that must be banned.

This is’nt FB or Twitter.

372256 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Lucan Grey, #661 of 2114 🔗

That sounds about right: go Sweden or go Wuhan, because there’s very little benefit in trying to take a middle course.

372680 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Lucan Grey, -1, #662 of 2114 🔗

Wooo. Tag team. Nice work if you can get it.

372080 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to GCarty80, 6, #663 of 2114 🔗

I think you misspelt your username, shouldn’t it be GCHQ

372767 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Andrew K, -1, #664 of 2114 🔗

Or GCarty77.

373385 ▶▶ Woden, replying to GCarty80, -1, #665 of 2114 🔗

What do the lab animals say the ‘vaccine’..’ lets wait and see what effect it has on the humans’ Get over it mate these fuckers are making a fortune on your ignorance..The tests are meant to run to 2023!

371871 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 3, #666 of 2114 🔗

Lozza Fox. Reform Party, Desmond Swayne.. the opposition to these global communist scumbags is not great at the moment.

371931 ▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, 5, #667 of 2114 🔗

You forget your own power!

371873 DanClarke, 6, #668 of 2114 🔗

Have the politicians made a deal with the pharma devils to make the population the petri dish for these basically untested ‘vaccines’ so they can do their trials. The non liability clauses are worrying.

371882 Clancloch, replying to Clancloch, 10, #669 of 2114 🔗

Apologies if earlier posters have already brought this to attention but tucked away in the sports pages today was a small paragraph about the mis – allocation of positive Covid tests for the Bath rugby union team due to ‘human error’ in its operating procedures-Random lab of course.!
They were initially told that 19 out of 24 +ve test results from all the 12 top flight teams were from Bath. A further 16 were told as being in close contact and told to isolate. In fact only 1 Bath player tested positive and across the whole league only 2 positives.
An isolated incident according to Randox!!!

371898 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Clancloch, 10, #670 of 2114 🔗

An isolated incident of where they actually discovered the mistake. Almost certainly not an isolated incident of it happening. We talk a lot about the inaccuracy of the PCR test but the lax protocols, poor training and rushed systems mean that the process is just as liable to produce mistakes as the test itself.

372001 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Achilles, 3, #671 of 2114 🔗

Yes this is what is missed and something Mike Yeadon talks about. It’s also part of the measurement process. It is the WHOLE PROCESS not just the test.

You could have a super precise bit of kit but then the amount of error introduced by the process makes it moot.

371925 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Clancloch, 2, #672 of 2114 🔗

I really hope sporting bodies unite in following up on this as some sort of fightback.

372022 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Clancloch, #673 of 2114 🔗

This has happened several times that we know of. All in sports.

I think the standard is for sports teams to double check to be sure. Most regular people are unlikely to get a second opinion.

372774 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Clancloch, #674 of 2114 🔗

Randox was the company that Channel 4 Dispatches did an investigation on – it wasn’t pretty.

https://www.channel4.com/press/news/dispatches-uncovers-serious-failings-one-uks-largest-covid-testing-labs

371902 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #675 of 2114 🔗

The interesting question I have after reading the 2011 dept heath document linked to above is since we had a plan why was it suddenly changed? Changed in a matter of days I might add.
Logic dictates there must be a reason.

371909 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #676 of 2114 🔗

Well we seem to be following that leaked reset plan from Canada to the letter… next stage is UBI and a more deadly strain, if I remember rightly..

371917 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Carrie, 1, #677 of 2114 🔗

The £500 for a positive test is the opening salvo on UBI. The more deadly strain is waiting to be unleashed on/or close to 8 March!

371936 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #678 of 2114 🔗

I hope you’re wrong about that – UBI will enslave the people.

372048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to this is my username, 1, #679 of 2114 🔗

That’s the plan!!

371918 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Carrie, #680 of 2114 🔗

Never got to read that, anyone got a link?

371939 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #681 of 2114 🔗

Actually I believe the covid isolation camps are to precede UBI, and we are hearing about those now…
I’ll look for a link – plenty around.

372984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Carrie, #683 of 2114 🔗

Been off grid for a bit , thanks for the link Carrie

371951 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, 1, #684 of 2114 🔗

Hello Carrie. Good to see you.

371967 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #685 of 2114 🔗

Thanks!

371915 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #686 of 2114 🔗

Someone asked prof. Whitty what proprtion of deaths would result from following the plan & he replied 1% ie around 650k. Ferguson & the Imperial modellers were brought in and the rest is history.

371927 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #687 of 2114 🔗

There is. We need to see all emails, text/phone records from mid January 2020 to early March 2020, laid out chronologically. Modeling of unique datasets (from China) are not plucked from thin air.

372006 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #688 of 2114 🔗

I thought it was the current PM seized by panic because France threatened to close the borders. He could have manned up and said “ Be my guest, Emmanuel, but I think you need our buying power”. Instead he rolled over and the hell began.

372054 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #689 of 2114 🔗

China

372203 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #690 of 2114 🔗

Chyna

371912 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 6, #691 of 2114 🔗

Stanley Cohen’s work on ‘Folk Devils’ & moral panics has hitherto been the exclusive property of the Left, especially the late Stuart Hall the influential sociologist who claimed it was used as a means of exercising social control over the marginalised and those who challenge how society is run. Most recently it has been applied to support the idea of designating Muslims as folk devils because of ‘Islamophobia.’ It is a sign of the times that it is remarkably appropriate to the situation we are in now.

372242 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to frankfrankly, #692 of 2114 🔗

It’s a knockout was great though.

371921 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #693 of 2114 🔗

Some comments from a work call just.

A few more weeks and we’ll be over the hump.

We’ll be back to normal soon once more and more get vaccinated.

I couldn’t be bothered to say anything in response. I’ll let them continue to live in their fantasy world.

372176 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hubes, 1, #694 of 2114 🔗

I’m surrounded by flapping Karens
They genuinely enjoy the palaver

371926 rockoman, 2, #695 of 2114 🔗

“Central government bodies are estimated to have spent £86.2 billion on day-to-day activities (current expenditure) in December 2020, £26.1 billion more than in December 2019”

……..

“Central government tax receipts are estimated to have been £43.6 billion in December 2020”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/december2020

A smidgeon over half of government spending was covered by taxes in December. This ratio is a slight improvement on previous months.

Bottom line:

Spending 86.2 billion
Tax receipts: 43.6 billion.

371937 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #696 of 2114 🔗

Just heard a rumour that US now under martial law.

I hope it is confirmed because this shit show will be over.

371947 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #697 of 2114 🔗

Where do have that from please.?

If so, it means that the UK will soon follow.

Financial markets showing no sign of hearing anything.

I am sure it will come at some point.

371965 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to rockoman, 1, #698 of 2114 🔗

From my son. He has finally sent me a FB link.
I was hoping to find confirmation here on LS.

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.bygrave.1/videos/166072395316766

371970 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to PastImperfect, #699 of 2114 🔗

Thanks.

Of course we are well on the way there already.

371971 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PastImperfect, #700 of 2114 🔗

FB? It must be correct. 🙂

371976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to RickH, 1, #701 of 2114 🔗

Well to be fair it is a couple of steps up from the MSM 🙂

372155 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to RickH, #702 of 2114 🔗

I’ll take it from Mumsnet but FB!

371987 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #703 of 2114 🔗
372125 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, #704 of 2114 🔗

This is a guy in a car telling us the inside scoop as he goes to his third gym session of the day?

The comments reference Charlie Ward and Simon Parkes, an ex Labour councilor with delusions of being an alien. And these guys are the outlet for the big plan?

What if the plan is to string people along with this nonsense instead of actually doing something meaningful? It’s preying on people who are hopeless and been lied to by the establishment their whole lives?

371966 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #705 of 2114 🔗

Lots of signs that it is… note that Joe B had to take a PRIVATE plane to DC for the inauguration – under ‘normal’ circumstances the military would have sent a plane for him..

Lots of odd things about that ceremony – like the fact that Jill B had different shoes on at different points (sometimes cream, sometimes blue)…weather different in than it really was that day, etc.. lots of signs that it was pre-recorded (which makes it illegal).
The military are suposed to stay there for 30 days (why?)

Anyone spot the similarity between costumes in the Hunger Games and the way the main players were dressed? (like Lady Gaga – just one example)

371983 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Carrie, -1, #706 of 2114 🔗

4chan /pol/ seem to think that the new Presidents office is a set
Wait and see what “evidence” is dug up

371999 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Crystal Decanter, -1, #707 of 2114 🔗

Yes, I mentioned that in another post earlier – the view from the windows is wrong (there is no car park outside, which is what can be seen behind Joe B in the photos taken at the desk).

There are at least 2 known film sets of the Oval office that exist…

371997 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Carrie, -1, #708 of 2114 🔗

Also there i video of the National Guards standing with their backs to Biden.

372038 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #709 of 2114 🔗

You might find this article of interest: https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/trump-ode-to-the-corporation/

Scroll down the ‘Back Story’ bit first… it is very enlightening!

372105 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Carrie, #710 of 2114 🔗

Thank you for that.

372121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, #711 of 2114 🔗

You’re welcome – it gave me some hope that the end is in sight..

Further, it explained why UK column have kept saying that Boris is being controlled – he is!

372147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 1, #712 of 2114 🔗
372184 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, #713 of 2114 🔗

Yes, glad I wasn’t the only one. Lady gaga (a strange person IMO) wearing a gold emblem.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/01/20/joe-bidens-inauguration-brings-clashing-colors-jumbled-style/

Those masks, terrible, they turn people into nonentities, faceless avatars, transhuman robots. I often wonder if the mask thing has beeen a deliberate ploy to get biden the presidency, a body double, a mask to hide some sort of recorded message that he is pretending to say.

I saw a video showing biden walking into the white house (I think) and he mumbled ‘salute the marines’, the voice in his earpiece was telling him to salute, he just repeated it.

Politics is the new Hollywood, they are taking the Mickey and laughing at us.

371989 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to PastImperfect, #714 of 2114 🔗

Kamartial Harris probably. Bumped of Biden with the covid tipped umbrella.

371945 Basics, 1, #715 of 2114 🔗

Flag watch.

Covid Central where sturgeon hour is broadcast from, St Andrews House -flying saltires and EU flag only.

Holyrood Parliament – a Saltire, A Union flag and an EU flag.

City Chambers – EU flag, Saltires, a Union flag below.

371957 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 31, #716 of 2114 🔗

Just a reminder. Our basic rights and freedoms have been taken away simply because our publicly funded healthcare system might not have enough critical care beds. That is the sole reason given for destroying our lives…an administrative failure.

371969 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 9, #717 of 2114 🔗

No. A long-running political failure. The administrative failures come on top of that.

372028 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 1, #718 of 2114 🔗

Fair point but I meant administrative in the broadest terms to include it’s funding and overarching administration by government (of whatever flavour)

372063 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #719 of 2114 🔗

Yes, Achilles – I was being picky because it’s a sore point.

Back in the PFI day, I was a member of the later abolished CHC. I was party to the planning of a replacement hospital, and I well remember the constant tensions over bed numbers.

371990 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Achilles, 10, #720 of 2114 🔗

We’ve spent about half a trillion on this already. I’m struggling to believe we couldn’t have afforded a few beds out of that? Are these beds made of gold or something?

372082 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #721 of 2114 🔗

I’m sure you know that specialist nurses are the limiting factor. No real effort was made to up skill other nurses between April and November. It would have been a big ask but, come on , “pandemic duh” and we certainly rush qualified final year medical students without taking their final exams. Some do fail every year, but they went through on the nod this time.

371962 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 13, #722 of 2114 🔗

Another Facebook ban for simply disagreeing with a zealot. I told her she had ‘blood on hands’ and she reported me. Snitching seems to be the name of the game. Report your neighbours, twitch those curtains, report people for their point of view. If this ever ends well, which I doubt, I shall continue to isolate from these horrendous, pathetic morons

372004 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 14, #723 of 2114 🔗

Oh yes, the snitches are having a field day. I just spotted some bloke taking photos of my blackboard protest (I’ve noticed someone most days, taking photos, no doubt to inform on my dissent). When he saw that I’d seen him, he scuttled off, back under the stone he came from no doubt.

372032 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 6, #724 of 2114 🔗

Think you should get a camera outside your property then you can film all these people and ‘manage acordingly’ [Big cheeky smile]

372035 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 7, #725 of 2114 🔗

If I see him again, I may go and ask him why he is photographing them. He looked absolutely terrified that I’d clocked him.

372519 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 2, #726 of 2114 🔗

Tell him you need his name and job title for evidentiary purposes (you are bring harrassed).

372112 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #727 of 2114 🔗

Could he have been a sceptic thinking he wanted to shate such a cool message?

372517 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 2, #728 of 2114 🔗

Drill a hole in the top of the blackboard and put a camera in there. You could then print the pic, put it on the board with a “Do you know this man” on it.

372031 ▶▶ ArjayD, replying to Mutineer, 12, #729 of 2114 🔗

It’s not going to end well at all, because even if it ‘ends well’ it’s not going to end well because we’re not all going to suddenly forgive & forget & live in harmony again, throw our arms around each other & welcome each other back – too much resentment, division & mistrust has been forged for us all to just suddenly accept & love our fellow man again.

372529 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to ArjayD, 1, #730 of 2114 🔗

I appealed the ban and it was overturned. I know it will never go back to anything like normal. As an ‘oldie’ my life is over. I can’t get surgery, even privately, unless I submit to a PCR test.I now feel one accident away from a ‘death home’. I’ve lost all hope. I never want to mix with these utter morons again as they disgust me. The comment that got me the ban was for telling a zealot she ‘had blood on her hands’. She most certainly does. Many, like me, are in pain and unable to go about any sort of life as surgeries are cancelled. People are dying from sheer medical neglect. I despair.

372513 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Mutineer, 3, #731 of 2114 🔗

Therein lies the moral of the story. Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you on experience.

Now doubt she is now crowing to her friends how she silenced a denier, completely unaware of her own level of ignorance of the issues.

371972 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #732 of 2114 🔗

One of Sky news go to experts Prof Simon Clarke is currently on talk Radio, I suspect there are scientists with similar expertise that could challenge his version of ‘the science’

371994 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Major Panic, 3, #733 of 2114 🔗

Yes I don’t know why TR has him on all of the time. He sounds so reasonable but he is right behind lockdowns.

371996 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #734 of 2114 🔗

I wonder if talk radio has morphed into the home of censored free speech

372012 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Major Panic, 5, #735 of 2114 🔗

I’ve noticed that the TR presenters talk tough and then when they have a guest on they are like pussy cats.

372025 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 6, #736 of 2114 🔗

Most adverse reactions with second jab – wants to postpone as long as possible

372059 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Victoria, 3, #737 of 2114 🔗

That is the real reason the government is playing the “no second dose just yet” game. Clearly they don’t want word of mouth of 2nd dose problems getting around. Besides, the vaccines are designed to kill, albeit somewhat slowly, with just one shot and only the strongest, who survive the first round, will need to be double dosed later on.

372247 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 1, #738 of 2114 🔗

Well, if it goes on people dying after one shot, they save themselves a lot of 2nd shots, which can them be used as 1st for someone.

372077 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #739 of 2114 🔗

I’ve heard him say that he’s not convinced about masks however, so that’s something at least…

372162 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to A. Contrarian, #740 of 2114 🔗

yes, he was against masks up until they were made mandatory in shops – haven’t heard him mention them since – maybe wont be asked back on sky if he did

and he seems to like the attention and is probably good for reading Uni recruitment

371977 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 23, #741 of 2114 🔗

Isn’t it nice to know that in saving granny the youth have sacrificed their education, mental health, depression, suicides, fun, well being etc.

What is it he war poem “we gave our today for your tomorrow”‘ now the youth can say “we gave our today so granny might (or might not) have a tomorrow”

371981 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #742 of 2114 🔗

I’ve changed my strategy. I am trying to one up the zealots. Propose camps/ mandatory vac/ yellow stars for refuseniks.

371991 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #743 of 2114 🔗

I think that may be the wrong strategy because so many are willing to see us lose our basic freedoms.

372014 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 4, #744 of 2114 🔗

At this point in the game, accelerationism is the only viable strategy for getting us through this and out the other side.

Accelerationism is ‘letting the moral panic virus rip’ and it’s the fastest way to show the maximum number of people how insane it all is.

Push for the rate of escalation to be faster than the mass of public can be carried along with it by propaganda.

372100 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to AidanR, #745 of 2114 🔗

Ingenious!

372134 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AidanR, 1, #746 of 2114 🔗

100% this
anyone made an exempt yellow star yet?

372033 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 2, #747 of 2114 🔗

It highlights the absurdity of where we are going. It actually triggers them quite a bit. They won’t listen to reason that’s for sure mocking is a powerful tool.

372060 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #748 of 2114 🔗

Germany has introduced detention camps for the refuseniks already.

372511 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to JHUNTZ, #749 of 2114 🔗

It has to include all of Sage and government going on furlough wages, furlough or sack.

372005 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #750 of 2114 🔗

My daughter is talking happily about where she’ll go in the summer with her friends. I haven’t the heart to tell her.

372049 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #751 of 2114 🔗

Yes – these liars and dissemblers have a lot to answer for.

But the silly buggers who may well have voted for them in the first place have aided their own destruction – forgetting immediately the last lie told.

I mean – you have to be pretty demented not to remember that vaccines were allegedly the key to the door.

371979 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #752 of 2114 🔗

Has there been any confirmation as to why the government have not followed the requirement for the second dose within 21 days. Or are we peasants just supposed to forget that?

372011 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #753 of 2114 🔗

Following the science?

372039 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #754 of 2114 🔗

Assume the usual logistical cock-up. They don’t do “plan” any more remember.

372068 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #755 of 2114 🔗

It’s basically an experiment. The data from the trials showed, or claimed, 80% efficacy. Whatever that means.

So they think that it’s just matter of a booster at any point. Based on no data. Its a punt.

372099 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #756 of 2114 🔗

Hanging yourself has 100% efficacy against Sars-Cov2

372074 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #757 of 2114 🔗

Blair told them to do it I think.

Now they are sh*tting themselves because of Israel of course. The one time when they should have followed The Science, they didn’t. Well done that man.

372078 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #758 of 2114 🔗

They don’t want to risk the efficacy being too high. The risk of having to end lockdown and face justice is just too great. This way they can be sure the vaccine won’t offer any escape route.

372221 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #759 of 2114 🔗

Making it up as they go along

372788 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JHUNTZ, #760 of 2114 🔗

Because there is no end to the lockdowns. Give too many two doses and people will demand their freedom.

372007 wendyk, 5, #761 of 2114 🔗

https://www.rt.com/uk/513236-uk-covid-rave-pensioners-vaccine/

Zimmer frame congestion + cold weather reported to cops as illegal rave.

‘Well, the little things you say and do

Make me want to be with you-ou-ou

Rave on, it’s a crazy feelin’

And I know it’s got me reelin’

When you say I love you

Rave on

The way you dance and hold me tight

The way you kiss and say good ni-i-ight

Rave on, it’s a crazy feelin’

And I know it’s got me reelin’

When you say I love you

Rave on

Well, rave on, it’s a crazy feelin’

And I know it’s got me reelin’

I’m so glad that you’re revealin’ your love for me

Rave on, rave on and tell me

Tell me not to be lonely

Tell me you love me only

Rave on to me

Well, rave on, it’s a crazy feelin’

And I know it’s got me reelin’

I’m so glad that you’re revealin’ your love for me

Rave on, rave on and tell me

Tell me not to be lonely

Tell me you love me only

Rave on to me’

Buddy Holly nailed it.

372013 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #762 of 2114 🔗

“Public sector net borrowing (PSNB ex) in the first nine months of this financial year (April to December 2020) is estimated to have been £270.8 billion,”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/december2020

372064 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 6, #763 of 2114 🔗

How much of that has been defrauded as well. The bug contracts to the little guys setting up fake businesses to get a support payment.

372030 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 6, #764 of 2114 🔗

It is and has always been about “Saving the NHS”
They were unable to reopen the Nightingale hospitals,no staff.
Well done Blair.You were the one who said nurses from the uk needed a degree.
Hence,we need 80k.
I do believe, they will loosen some restrictions in March,however, the problem will be next winter.
It’s so easy now,5pm news briefing,lockdown,no fucking xmas.
Only way out,is,high unemployment, reduction in private pensions,then the woke brigrade will start getting the picture.

372037 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dartford44, 11, #765 of 2114 🔗

Blair said everyone needed a degree, conned the young to get expensive degrees which will now never be paid back, and went on to import people

372041 ▶▶ kev, replying to Dartford44, 2, #766 of 2114 🔗

Loss of public sector pensions, politicians pensions, BBC staff pensions will wake them up!

372042 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Dartford44, 4, #767 of 2114 🔗

I don’t think it’s ever been about saving the NHS.

372061 ▶▶▶ kev, replying to Hubes, 6, #768 of 2114 🔗

But, that is the rationale given.

Great to know our basic freedoms are contingent on the smooth operation of a totally inefficient public health service.

Thats not a criticism of the NHS per se, its decades of mismanagement, misallocation of funding, and lack of planning.

I would also like someone to explain rationally why a nurse needs a degree, there may well be a better route to promotions with a degree, but we used to have excellent SRN’s with no formal qualifications.

372084 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dartford44, 6, #769 of 2114 🔗

I don’t agree it’s about saving the NHS but assuming it is, saving it from what? From being overwhelmed? What exactly does that mean? Is that so bad? Obviously not ideal, but neither is the alternative? Is it bad because other people who are ill would not get treated? If so – that is already happening.

372187 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 3, #770 of 2114 🔗

The NHS has to be protected from the sick. Stands to reason.

372287 ▶▶▶▶ kev, replying to Annie, #771 of 2114 🔗

Exactly what Bevan had in mind. We need a health service that must be protected from sick people – I may be paraphrasing

372040 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 11, #772 of 2114 🔗

EHO here again …

372053 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 2, #773 of 2114 🔗

Bloody hell. Let us know what happens.

372120 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 12, #774 of 2114 🔗

They’re now putting signs on all the benches saying:

“Essential seating only, not to be used for the consumption of food and drink”

Guy putting them on the benches apologised.

372137 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 10, #775 of 2114 🔗

A wag could, in the deep of the night, amend the sign to :-

“Essential s eating only, not to be used for the consumption of food and drink”

372154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #776 of 2114 🔗

Just two quick dabs of black paint would be very easy, wouldn’t it?

372139 ▶▶▶▶ kev, replying to kh1485, 4, #777 of 2114 🔗

Do they even do that in North Korea?

372143 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kev, 3, #778 of 2114 🔗

They only have Zil Benches there for fat dictators. Oh wait.

372152 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 9, #779 of 2114 🔗

So, what is ‘essential’ use, then? As soon as you sit down, you are committing ‘outdoor recreation’, which is no longer allowed. If three people sit down to rest (from their exercise) is that ok, with all that nasty ‘mingling’? What threat, and to whom, is one person eating a sandwich?

372156 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #780 of 2114 🔗

Not sure how it’s OK to sit on a bench and not drink coffee, but not OK to sit there and drink coffee. One bloke (with a competitor’s coffee) has stood up to let them put the sign on. Jeez, this is mad. Why, if they don’t want people congregating, don’t they just lock the frigging park.

372170 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #781 of 2114 🔗

Some possible blackboard material, KH:

The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus. No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use.

From British Medical Journal, 21/12/2020

372175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #782 of 2114 🔗

And the government do not use viral culture to test for the virus.

372178 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #783 of 2114 🔗

And, he’s now putting notices to the same effect on the bandstand. But, it’s not working because there are loads of benches taken now …

372211 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 1, #784 of 2114 🔗

Hopefully someone (not you – too risky) will remove them.

372055 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 3, #785 of 2114 🔗

You really are Public Enemy No1 in Essex Kh !.

372056 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 38, #786 of 2114 🔗

She’s just confirmed we are being spied on. She has threatened to call the police on the couple having a coffee on one of the benches. I just got quite angry because she keeps insisting that we are breaking the law. She’s gone off in a huff because I was rigorous in our defence in that we are not supplying customers with drinks or food to an area ‘habiitually used for such purposes’. I suggested to her that she must be really proud of herself and the society she is helping to create.

372058 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 8, #787 of 2114 🔗

Superb. Power to the People.

372062 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 7, #788 of 2114 🔗

Well done!

372073 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 16, #789 of 2114 🔗

What a bitch she is !,all power to you for standing your ground.What in god’s name has bewitched so many people in this country to make their petty vindictiveness spiral out of control ?,I sincerely hope that they will get what’s coming to them,sooner rather than later too.
We’ll soon have to provide you with a protective human shield of sceptics.

372102 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 11, #790 of 2114 🔗

What I don’t understand is that cyclists are allowed to congregate at the coffee shop over the road but I am not allowed to provide coffee etc that people then consume on the benches because they don’t want people ‘congregating’. There were all of two benches taken. She had a go at the couple who had bought coffee from us.

372116 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 11, #791 of 2114 🔗

It makes no sense but very little does

It’s possible they are victimising you because of your lockdown/mask scepticism

372127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 14, #792 of 2114 🔗

The customer reckons we’re being targeted unfairly and is going to complain.

372087 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 7, #793 of 2114 🔗

Both barrels
no mercy

372089 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 10, #794 of 2114 🔗

It is not just you they are spying on. Today I saw a council street camera previously installed to oversee violence and drug crime with its remote neck twisted 180° to be trained on the doorway of a Tesco – mask counting?

372181 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 3, #795 of 2114 🔗

Probably twisted by violent drug criminals who don’t shop at Tesco’s.

372097 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 4, #796 of 2114 🔗

Filming her visits from a non confrontary distance may be helpful. These character types shrink when evidence of their actions is being collected.

372107 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Basics, 6, #797 of 2114 🔗

I think this is a very good idea – a camera behind the counter might be just the thing to log these visits.

372101 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 10, #798 of 2114 🔗

This really has exposed the true nastiness of a lot of people. How we will ever live happily together again is a mystery.

372114 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 18, #799 of 2114 🔗

The funny thing is she introduced herself “I don’t know if you remember me …” Oh yes, love, I remember you. I tend to remember people who try to get me hospitalised against my wishes and threaten to take me to court.

372238 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 2, #800 of 2114 🔗

because she keeps insisting that we are breaking the law.

I hope you are recording all conversations with these reptiles ? That one sounds like defamation/harassment/slander to me.

372369 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 2, #801 of 2114 🔗

I’ve not been here for good few days (“I needed headspace” is one way of putting it), but some things haven’t changed. 🙁
Is it time for dumb insolence? Put nothing on your chalkboard for a few days but a big yellow smiley. The savvy might recognise what you are doing, the curious might ask why, the EHO will probably not have a clue. And if she does, she can hardly take action against your “innocent mistake” which was just intended to brighten people’s day. 1-nil to kh. Just a thought.

372541 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #802 of 2114 🔗

Thanks so much TOBP. We were just thinking what tomorrow’s message should be and you’ve come up with a brilliant suggestion!

372636 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 1, #803 of 2114 🔗

Glad to be of assistance. Good luck with it!

372502 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 1, #804 of 2114 🔗

Is there any way you could organise a few scary looking people to loiter about dangerously on those benches and attract the attention of the said EHO giving them the oppertunity to put her right on her mis guided thinking? Perhaps with the power of some righteous anger and harsh anglo-saxon language?

372045 gina, replying to gina, 21, #805 of 2114 🔗

Beautiful day here.
Off to the bell barrow at Gt Bircham this afternoon to perform the monthly sunset ritual to wreak ruin on the cabal and restore our liberty. Not going too well at the mo (lol) but these things take persistance and time…

Part of the prep; print out the govt legislation for the intended journey/activity.
Don’t imagine I’ll be hauled over and questioned on the journey but best to be prepared. Legislation says I can attend a place of worship for a service and am fairly confident I could make an adequate case if challenged.

Anyone who fancies directing their intent to that end at sunset (16.20), it would be much appreciated.

372093 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to gina, 11, #806 of 2114 🔗

Hi Gina,I love the idea of going to ancient sacred places under the “place of worship” exemption rule! I actually had a business taking groups (mostly from abroad) to sacred places till last March put an end to it. And I’m also the writer for an annual wall calendar: “Sacred Celtic Places of Great Britain and Ireland.” Always interested to hear what others of a like mind are doing…Maybe setting up a “church” is the way to go….

372205 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Melangell, 2, #807 of 2114 🔗

Thanks for your support.
I was once the local pagan Norfolk constabulary used in their diversity training so…
Sorry you have had to shut down your business. Such endeavours are usually much more than just commercial. But glad you have the writing – one of those things that can’t be touched.
I keep pondering ways in which we might be able to join together for workings or to celebrate the festivals.
For about ten years (1998- 2008) I ran a large ‘broad church’ open pagan community group in my locale – based in wiccan ethics and the practice of chant.
It was open to pagans, fellow travellers and any one else who was willling to participate.
Wondering what I might be able to use now, if anything, from that time…We held public rites at the great festivals – always well attended – and an open full moon rite every month for women and girls, as well as weekly meets.
Imbolc is close now and its pressing on my mind. Any thoughts?
Bright blessings to you

372096 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to gina, 4, #808 of 2114 🔗

Just say it’s exercise though hopefully you won’t be stopped.

I’ll try and do a bit of intent at 16.20 as well, every bit of positive energy helps.

372158 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #809 of 2114 🔗

Thank you – that’s great.
There are others of us – doing the same ritual at the same time in different parts of the country. Hoping we can get a bit of an ‘energetic wave’ going.

372113 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to gina, 3, #810 of 2114 🔗

I will sent some intentions as well at that time. Thanks for your positive post!

372149 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #811 of 2114 🔗

Thats great. Thank you.

372272 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to gina, 1, #812 of 2114 🔗

Good for you.

Has anyone actually challenged a coronavirus FPN from the police and had their day in court yet?

Doing so is fraught with risk because if the magistrate sides with plod you could end up with a criminal record, but I imagine some here – perhaps retired – are not deterred by such a possibility.

372567 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jhfreedom, #813 of 2114 🔗

You can still appeal to a higher court.

373399 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to jhfreedom, #814 of 2114 🔗

Thank you.
I am ready – but think it unlikely to come to pass. They’re non recordable offences – which I think means its unlikely they will be recorded on the police system – according to Liberty.
Given the current 450,000 + backlog of cases waiting to be heard I don’t think there’s the appetite to prosecute small breaches and I read somewhere recently that FPN’s expire after 6 months.

372455 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to gina, 1, #815 of 2114 🔗

2021 – pencil in a Samhain sacrifice of the Covidians

373402 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Crystal Decanter, #816 of 2114 🔗

In our household we always made a hit list for our Samhain altar…we shall be reviving the halloween hit list this year for sure.

372065 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #817 of 2114 🔗

Does anyone have a link to a good site that shows Countries by Lockdown status and/or severity of social restriction?

Curious to see how the trend varies with other factors over time.

Thank you and stay sane thinkers.

372088 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #818 of 2114 🔗

I’m not sure if it helps you, but I actually found the wiki page pretty useful in terms of what has been done (or not) and when.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns

372129 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to leggy, #819 of 2114 🔗

Ah, I missed that, thanks. It has a handy table of country and lockdown length and date. I’ll use that for starters.
Cheers.

372584 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to leggy, 1, #820 of 2114 🔗

Not really that useful for some countries. According to the page Brazil is one of the countries without lockdown, but if you look for more details it is only two of the least populous states that are in this category, the rest of us have been under some form of restrictions since March. In São Paulo state we have been under quarantine since March last year, and are apparently going to go Red Zone (essential services only) at weekends and from 20:00 – 08:00 daily.

372071 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #821 of 2114 🔗

I’ve always held a belief that science is generally a force for good. However it can be taken too far.

If we insist on taking over control over all aspects of nature then we must also take responsibility for the negative outcomes that come from the results of our actions.

All well and good you might say but there will almost certainly come a time when we simply won’t have the know-how to deal with the problems we create.

I think our attempts at controlling this virus are a prime example of this in action. The more we lockdown the worse it gets forcing more lockdowns until eventually the only option is to aim for zero covid and try to get rid of the problem altogether.

Zero covid in itself would take us down a similar path. We can’t be sure that it won’t cause us greater problems in the future. What happens if our immune systems are so screwed that we become even more susceptible to what has to date been benign infections? Would we choose to hide even more and make the problem worse?

In all likelihood we are being led down a path of self destruction.

I also believe in self determination and think people should be free to choose the things they do but they must also take personal responsibility for the outcomes of their actions.

This is why I am opposed to people being forced to do things and that people making decisions for others must take full responsibility for all outcomes good or bad.

372091 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Nobody2021, -17, #822 of 2114 🔗

Zero covid in itself would take us down a similar path. We can’t be sure that it won’t cause us greater problems in the future. “

You can’t be sure of anything, but that sort of thinking is what has lead to the raft of restrictions we have now.

Zero covid allows us to eradicate this virus as we have smallpox. It doesn’t damage immunes systems which will still be exposed to the bazillion other viruses. In fact we’d be better off because at least we could interact with each other freely within the country

372110 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 13, #823 of 2114 🔗

How long did it take to eradicate smallpox?

Did we shut down the world while we were doing it?

372133 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 4, #824 of 2114 🔗

From vaccine to eradication 200 years. From initiation of programme to eradication 20 years. And that was an easy one.

372142 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Achilles, 8, #825 of 2114 🔗

Dr Donald Henderson who led the effort to eradicate smallpox wrote:

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted . Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”

372145 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 2, #826 of 2114 🔗

There is absolutely no comarison between smallpox and covid – see my comment above to Lucan Grey.

372122 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #827 of 2114 🔗

Let’s assume that it’s possible to eradicate it. How long would it take and what actions would be needed to get there? If it worked why would we stop at covid?

People are already talking about locking down every winter to avoid all respiratory viruses.

Single masks are now becoming double masks, why not triple masks or quad layers?

Where does it end?

I can only see bad outcomes if we take extreme paths. There needs to be some balance.

372123 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #828 of 2114 🔗

Do you honestly believe the damage done would be worth it to elimate covid?

372214 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JHUNTZ, #829 of 2114 🔗

I may be wrong or have been misled, but I had the impression during the Brexit debate (an era ago) that the EU was supported financially by Germany , UK and Netherlands mainly with many others,eg Baltic and Mediterranean countries, dependent on EU largess to survive.
The cost of countering Covid in the UK so far has been a reduction in GDP of at least 20% , probably more and certainly more by the end of 2021. EU no longer feeding from the UK teat , putting more pressure on Germany . Is Merkel confident that there will be no financial cost to Gemany of a zero covid policy, and therefore no drop in funds to the EU, or does she actually not give a d*mn for the inhabitants of, say Greece or Italy?

372132 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #830 of 2114 🔗

Smallpox – mortaliy rate 30%, higher amongst small children.

Many of those who survived were crippled and disfigured.

500 million people are estimated to have died with smallpox between 1860 and 1960, without underlying conditions.

The comparison is absurd.

372164 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 2, #831 of 2114 🔗

The comparison is absurd.”

Of course it is, and anyone with an ounce of judgment would know it.

372135 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #832 of 2114 🔗

” In fact we’d be better off because at least we could interact with each other freely within the country”

It isn’t the virus that is stopping us, it’s the government.

372150 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #833 of 2114 🔗

We could interact freely within the country and travel to other countries if we rejected the extremist concept that we should seek to eradicate/control a respiratory virus which mostly affects those already at the end of their lives, and is mild for almost everybody else.

I call it ‘getting real’. This disruption is very damaging.

372207 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #834 of 2114 🔗

Zero Covid is a virological impossibility. We don’t even know if we’ve actually eliminated smallpox or if the group immunity is just very high. The (conventional) vaccine is also effective. One other problem. You can’t prove a negative therefore zero Covid could never be proven.

372095 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #835 of 2114 🔗

”What happens if our immune systems are so screwed that we become even more susceptible to what has to date been benign infections?”

This is my fear, and opens another tin of conspiracy theories….

372083 Old Bill, 2, #836 of 2114 🔗

Nice cartoon heading the BBC article in today’s news items, but if it were me I would be searching the covid patient for an equity card or a bbc pass.

372092 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 10, #837 of 2114 🔗

For a true dose of crazy, look at this twitter stream about wearing two masks or a mask and mask brace. When all this started, my first thought was about all the plastic waste filtering into the ocean, whereupon I was accused of being a monster. I despair. https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1352256555626979330

372104 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to eptwll, 10, #838 of 2114 🔗

They bang on about saving the planet and Greta whatsherface always giving off about waste…….don’t hear much of her now about disposal of millions of masks that aren’t good for the environment.

372109 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #839 of 2114 🔗

Masks which interestingly do not require ‘hazardous waste’ bins…

372160 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #840 of 2114 🔗

Apparently those blue surgical masks can last 500 years. Would be like taking the kids for a paddle this weekend and a bunch of Venetian plague masks wash up on the beach.

372118 ▶▶ l835, replying to eptwll, 16, #841 of 2114 🔗

12 months ago, if you weren’t going on about the plastic waste you were a monster! How fickle and easily led people are!

372240 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to l835, #842 of 2114 🔗

Given that no masks work and it’s clearly for compliance only why does anyone buy the disposable ones – two washable ones would work and wouldn’t damage the planet

372234 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to eptwll, #843 of 2114 🔗

It’ll be Masks for Life next. Simply pick one up at your local supermarket.

372119 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #844 of 2114 🔗

The fact that ‘zero covid’ is even being discussed is a sign of utter madness, and represents the latest moving of the goalposts.

Let us just assume that this virus exists – do I really need to remind anyone that it has not been isolated.

Do I need to remind anyone that there has been zero effect on all cause mortality (see the US and Germany) on a yearly basis, as distinct from the effect of lockdowns.

..then there’s this:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344561555_Intercontinental_Spread_of_COVID-19_on_Global_Wind_Systems

“he pattern of the SARS-CoV-2 incidence concentrated in the 30-50N latitude zone suggests dust carrying the virus is spread by a circum-global jet-stream, specifically the northern subtropical jet-stream that blows in the high-altitude troposphere over northern China in early springtime. It is known that the agent of the Kawasaki disease is carried by long-range winds to Japan and California from northeast China. We hypothesize that dust carrying the virus SARS-CoV-2 was similarly transported from the huge virus reservoir generated in Wuhan province to southern USA, thence across the Atlantic to Portugal and further states to the east. On this model the primary in fall of the dust/virus-carrier depends on the jet-stream interaction with regional weather systems, causing incidence of SARS-CoV-2 cases in various countries/ states along this latitude belt. The notable case of Brazil on 31 March 2020-exceptionally outside the 30-50N belt-is proposed to be due to the Azores cyclonic system entraining part of the jet-stream west of Portugal into the south-westerly trade winds, when these winds penetrate to Brazil during springtime”

372144 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, 3, #845 of 2114 🔗

I saw a Tweet saying that Merkel is considering going for zero covid. I’d like a better source than a Tweet so am waiting on this one.

Chances are that if it’s true then other countries will move in lockstep or at least be “encouraged” to follow suit.

372454 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2021, #846 of 2114 🔗

Merkel is supposed to be stepping down..

372151 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 5, #847 of 2114 🔗

“The fact that ‘zero covid’ is even being discussed is a sign of utter madness”

Totally agree – but the ‘wind systems’ theory is equally cooky. I’d need a lot more than what is presented to take it seriously.

Even if I was personally persuaded by a vague correspondence, I’d think twice about feeding the opposition with such tenuous material when we are still trying to get over the basics..

372166 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #848 of 2114 🔗

THe ‘wind systems’ theory would explain a great deal, such as why isolated people catch colds, flu etc.

I realize that this is not proven, but there is a great deal of research going back years, showing that flus are likely transferred this way.

The huge assumption shared by virtually everybody as far as I can see is that viruses can only be transferred person-to-person over short ranges.

372177 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 1, #849 of 2114 🔗

I think it’s worth investigating, rockoman, but it’s far too tenuous at the moment – apart from the practicalities we face that I’ve mentioned.

372173 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 3, #850 of 2114 🔗

Rick,

it feeds the opposition nothing.

On the contrary, if viruses are transferred by winds over long distances with aerosol-sized particles. then at a stroke the superficial logic for SD, masks and lockdowns is destroyed.

372191 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to rockoman, 1, #851 of 2114 🔗

IIRC the wind or parsimonious theory was reluctantly supported by Hope-Simpson, one of the long term investigators of influenza.

Has anyone read his book ?

372249 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill H, #852 of 2114 🔗

This paper gives a good description of Hope-Simpson’s parsimonious theory of influenza transmission, and the factors which led him to advance it:

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29

372192 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #853 of 2114 🔗

rockoman : it’s the ‘if’ that’s the problem.

Were I a BBC propagandist, I would quite like that theory to get my teeth into at the present stage of knowledge, whilst we sceptics are still battling against basics like ‘The worst plague since WWII’.

372167 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to rockoman, 4, #854 of 2114 🔗

Zero tides would have saved a lot of coastal erosion if adopted as a policy -just saying.

372182 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 1, #855 of 2114 🔗

A better analogy than might first appear. Imagine the unforseen consequences if erosion/deposition cycles suddenly ceased.

372231 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 2, #856 of 2114 🔗

Most attempts I’ve seen at controlling things like tides simply shift the problem to somewhere else.

372276 ▶▶▶▶▶ kev, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #857 of 2114 🔗

Like flood defences for instance

372451 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to rockoman, #858 of 2114 🔗

Exactly. No real uptick in deaths in Sweden if you look at average deaths per year. 2019 saw the fewest overall deaths here since 1977 (!) so an uptick of some sort last year was likely – Covid or no Covid…

372128 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 19, #859 of 2114 🔗

Quick shopping report from yesterday afternoon. Visited Lidl, Home Bargains and Aldi. Just walked in, nothing on show.

HB all normal, but challenged at both Lidl and Aldi – this is new.

At both, however, it was a short sensible conversation: “Do you have a mask?” “Exempt, thank you” “OK”.

No hassle from either, but still annoying. I expect HB to follow suit soon, as it’s now ‘the fashion’.

I get the feeling, though, that if I just showed the card as I walked in, nothing would be said, but we like to push it a bit, don’t we?

372161 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #860 of 2114 🔗

I might say i’ve been vaccinated next time im challenged. Throw them off a bit.

372171 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #861 of 2114 🔗

What would they say if you had already had the Bat cold and just stated “immune” ?

372275 ▶▶ mj, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #862 of 2114 🔗

confirmed by Aldi customer services yesterday that this is the correct conversation. They will ask and they should accept exempt as a response. And if they dont, then let customer.services@aldi.co.uk know which store
I was asked monday. concensus is that all the supermarkets have had a word from big brother

372809 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sam Vimes, #863 of 2114 🔗

I was challenged for the first time in Lidl yesterday as well (albeit in Ireland, not the UK).

373382 ▶▶ gina, replying to Sam Vimes, #864 of 2114 🔗

yes we do.

372131 Nottheonly1, 1, #865 of 2114 🔗

Can’t find a different way to recommend a soundtrack, so I do it this way:

SUNS OF ARQA – WADADA MAGIC – CITY IN ANGUISH

The entire album is superb, but this song seems to have been very prophetic.

https://www.sunsofarqa.co.uk/

372136 TimeIsNow, 3, #866 of 2114 🔗

https://open.spotify.com/episode/573EkYdjUN69zr5lVcYEKc?si=IxOxrNRtRJ2eiSi_CkK33w

Today’s AIER podcast. So true. People flee the lockdowns when they have the means and ability to do so. The reason for border closures?

372140 John P, replying to John P, 4, #867 of 2114 🔗

New variant bollocks. There’ll always be an excuse to carry it on. Living is fatal.

And for anyone who is dense enough to still think that politicians are intelligent:

https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1352391594620710922

Plandemic my arse.

372314 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, #868 of 2114 🔗

Ugh, Snowdon.

372159 Tom Blackburn, 6, #869 of 2114 🔗

‘something must be done’ and ‘it is worth a pop’ –

Two central tenets of bedwetter philosophy.

372163 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #870 of 2114 🔗

comparison of all cause mortality with ‘covid deaths’

nothing special until the beginning of January – ie for most of winter ‘covid deaths’ are massively overcounted

then beginning of January all cause goes up to half of march peak but ‘covid deaths’ is similar march peak

hypotheses

1 – spreading in care homes due NHS panic sending covid patients there
2 – vaccine

372172 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #871 of 2114 🔗

Hypothesis : Crap PCR+ ‘casedemic’ data, having tenuous links to disease.

The graphic (above) actually exaggerates the apparent autumn normal rise in mortality when compared to the April spike.

372174 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 1, #872 of 2114 🔗

Hypothesis : Crap PCR+ ‘casedemic’ data, having tenuous links to disease.”

that is a given. I’m more interested in the real rise in all cause but only from January 2021

372209 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #873 of 2114 🔗

I think you’re going to have to be patient, Steve, since its only the all-cause mortality data that can be relied upon – albeit as a lagging indicator. There has to be time to let corrections for the holiday period to feed through, plus the normal lag.

It’s frustrating – but I don’t see any alternative that gets above the bar of speculation.

… and even then, we will face an assault on the figures to ‘standardise’ them in a way that will validate the ‘great plague’ scenario – rather than just adjusting for population.

372232 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, #874 of 2114 🔗

I agree. the top graph is all cause mortality – the bottom graph is just junk.

in the all-cause they try and adjust for date corrections but they say the latest figures might change

below is a bit of evidence that its care homes – prevalence doubled between week 52 (2020) and week 2 (2021)

I don’t see the sense in sending infected people into care homes – I thought they would have learned that last year

372230 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to steve_w, 1, #875 of 2114 🔗

Vaccine deaths, given they’ve done a few million so far, and given the experience in Norway, Israel etc..

372499 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, #876 of 2114 🔗

Exactly they will bundle all the vaccine deaths in with the Covid stats

372262 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 1, #877 of 2114 🔗

The January is a bit of a problem for my ‘argument’ with others, for what ever reason, its well above the norm.

Something is causing this increase in deaths, or a combination of things. We need some analysis by some of our more trusted experts – whatever their evidence based analysis may say.

372165 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #878 of 2114 🔗

Lockdown twats have been indulged for far too long. At what point do they get sidelined for a more rational approach?

372254 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tom Blackburn, #879 of 2114 🔗

When we learn how to defeat them in a battle of emotional rhetoric.

372302 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #880 of 2114 🔗

Impossible while we are being outspent by factor of millions on propaganda – not a level playing field. Most people barely aware of stuff that is presented here, and have not heard from us every hour or every day on radio, TV, papers, social media etc since March.

372168 DanClarke, 5, #881 of 2114 🔗

The new Tesco advert is very dictatorial, a shop to give a big miss to, whatever happens

372169 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #882 of 2114 🔗

Zoe update

cases continue to drop

R has levelled out – latest R=0.76

372250 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #883 of 2114 🔗

Is the R estimate yours or ZOE’s?

372255 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #884 of 2114 🔗

Mine, from their daily new ‘cases’ data

372277 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #885 of 2114 🔗

Ok. Thanks.

I might catch up with you again.

372290 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #886 of 2114 🔗

I’m here all week!

372446 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve_w, #887 of 2114 🔗

Cases dropping in Sweden now – just been out and seen newspaper headlines..

372179 merlin, 3, #888 of 2114 🔗

Come and get your covid vaccine, 89 pct protection the government claimed after 14 days, despite pfizer suggesting no more than 50 pct benefit.

Real world data from israel suggests only 33 pct protection after 14 days for over 60s .

Now given most of the 5 million doses have been given to over 80s , the level of protection is likely to be lower than 33pct after 14 days and if they are still around 12 weeks later the ‘booster’ jab may have nothing to boost.
This tony blair/wancock strategy is clearly unethical but will potentially achieve zero protection whilst guaranteeing side effects and risking new , stronger strains. This experiment squared debacle will be difficult to hide from…..unless they dial back PCR and claim victory.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9174157/I-fear-ditching-dose-timetable-prove-costly-mistake-writes-expert-PROFESSOR-HERB-SEWELL.html

372185 bebophaircut, 5, #889 of 2114 🔗

The ‘Experts’ are okay with depriving children of a proper education.

372186 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #890 of 2114 🔗

Does anybody know where I can go and claim my £500 for getting tested positive. I will of course be going to all the centres until I get a positive result. As I’m retired the wife and I have nothing much to do so might as well have a trip out and get £1k.

I cannot see any problems with this!

372188 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #891 of 2114 🔗

How long before positive samples go up for sale on the darknet, £200 each?

372224 ▶▶ jos, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #892 of 2114 🔗

This is in the leaked Trudeau plan that someone posted here – the most terrifying thing I’ve read about all of what’s going on – so just one step nearer to us all being asset-stripped and jabbed into oblivion. I’d read it before deciding what to do..

372229 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jos, #893 of 2114 🔗

Have you got the link to that report? It seems to be coming together.

372498 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, #895 of 2114 🔗

sounds like a plan

372190 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 19, #896 of 2114 🔗

Last night I did a bit of a cull on FB and Instagram by removing of any of those I see full of pro-lockdown and masks. They can fuck off.
Just saw one ‘friend’ on FB giving off about the Jewish wedding in London with 400 people calling them all selfish bastards. One of her comments said to bring back the birch.
Another one bites the dust in my cull.

372210 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #897 of 2114 🔗

There is absolutely no chance the Hasidic community will follow the rules, G-d bless them!!!

372599 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Will, 1, #898 of 2114 🔗

Absolutely. They’ve already got 613 mitzvah to get on with. And they’re from God as well. I’m not joking here either. Hasidic jews take it seriously and fair play to them if that’s how they live.

372403 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to Ganjan21, 1, #899 of 2114 🔗

I saw one today that suggested they all should be tried for attempted manslaughter.

372193 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 35, #900 of 2114 🔗

Sri Lankan cricketer Angelo Mathews made a hundred today and went up even further in my estimation when he said how tough it has been to deal with being in the stupid bubble because of “these covid-crazy rules”. More people need to say this instead of babbling the usual crap about “staying safe” and “extraordinary times”.

372199 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #901 of 2114 🔗

I was just half watching that and it immediately grabbed my attention! Glad I’m not the only one who noticed.

372200 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #902 of 2114 🔗

No doubt he will be dropped (no pun intended) for the next match

372195 Basics, 6, #903 of 2114 🔗

First it was the masks are you but not for me attitude. Now we have:

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/nicola-sturgeons-official-residence-painted-19677803

Nicola Sturgeon’s official residence painted despite strict lockdown rules
Bute House has undergone a series of painting works which have since been deemed as ‘essential’ by the government

Decorators have been drafted in to Nicola Sturgeon’s official Edinburgh residence, despite lockdown rules.

Work has been carried out in Bute House, in Charlotte Square, on behalf of Historic Environment Scotland.

However, lockdown rules were tightened last week to ensure that tradespeople only entered a property to work if it was essential to the maintenance or running of the property.

//Read on at the link/Don’t click the link and give edinburghlive advertising revenue clicks.

Stating the obvious, it is not the hellishly dangerous painting, it is the very fact this is not how you behave as leader of nation if there truly was a plague on. Add the rules for thee not me element as a sprig of garnish.

372198 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #904 of 2114 🔗

Amazing, isn’t? All those years searching for a vaccine for the common cold when it could have been done within six months with the right attitude!

372204 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 4, #905 of 2114 🔗

If only they had thought, sooner, of changing a “treatment” into a vaccine…

372227 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 7, #906 of 2114 🔗

it was genius doing away with the testing on animals stage – the damn things kept dying

372441 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, #907 of 2114 🔗

Have you seen that Amazon in the US is volunteering to help out with vaccine distribution…?

372202 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #908 of 2114 🔗

Will the May elections go ahead or not?

I suspect it will be unclear for some time as that massively disadvantages any non-mainstream parties

372222 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to steve_w, 4, #909 of 2114 🔗

Not a chance. I’d be amazed if they do.
Although here in Liverpool they’ve posted out all the electoral registration forms in the last few days. Probably just ‘playing the game’

372233 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to steve_w, 2, #910 of 2114 🔗

If it’s politically possible and they can be arsed they might go all postal, with counting machines to minimise handling.

Anything is politically possible, so it’s just if they can be arsed.

372261 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Ovis, 2, #911 of 2114 🔗

email to my MP on15th Jan:

I see that the Netherlands will have an election on March 17th.

As we are almost “world beating” in our roll out of vaccines and so far ahead of our “friends” in the European Union, it is obvious that we will be having local elections in May isn’t it?

There is no excuse for not having them unless of course there are grave concerns that voters will vote against the major parties?

Reply on 20th:
Mr xxxx understands your concern that elections did not take place as planned in 2020 and the uncertainty you feel about elections due to be held later this year. The decision to postpone elections last year was not taken lightly and it took into account the medical advice following the outbreak of Covid-19.

The law states that elections will go ahead in May. Ministers are keeping this position under review but any change would require careful consideration and be based on firm evidence. This means that meeting this test would be significant. Mr xxxx understands that the Government is also working closely with electoral bodies and public health authorities to ensure that everyone will be able to cast their vote safely, securely and in a way of their choosing later this year. Measures are also being put in place to support absent voting at short notice should this be required.

The Coronavirus Act 2020 postponed the elections that were due to take place on 7 May 2020 until the next ordinary day of election on 6 May 2021. The current term of elected representatives has been extended until 2021 and those elected next year will serve a shorter term ending in 2024.

372280 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to FenTyger, 2, #912 of 2114 🔗

Absent voting at short notice. Bingo.

372239 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 2, #913 of 2114 🔗

Last I heard (Monday), elections are going ahead in England.

372282 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Nick Rose, #914 of 2114 🔗

I had a letter with a form to complete if I wanted a postal vote or vote by proxy – that’s for the 6th of May in England. It says, if I want to vote in person, just ignore the letter.

372293 ▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, #915 of 2114 🔗

I think you are right, but it’s just another hammer blow to our free democratic society. Not just because of the suspended election, but because it’s yet another example that those in power don’t really believe in democratic freedom. They believe in power, how they can get it and how they can keep it. That’s it.

372423 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to stewart, #916 of 2114 🔗

To be fair, it is literally their only skill. They certainly are not competent to govern.

372327 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, 1, #917 of 2114 🔗

I imagine there will be a battle over muzzle exemptions in polling stations.

372392 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to steve_w, #918 of 2114 🔗

I have heard July

372436 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve_w, #919 of 2114 🔗

Probably postal voting, and look how that usually turns out…

372206 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #920 of 2114 🔗

The word is out that a flimsy piece of cloth is no good against the new variants (aka they’ve been pretty much useless) so we will be required to start wearing proper masks.

The plan has always been to get people to “mask up” with any old rag then once comfortable with it make them wear proper ones.

Wait and see, this will be part of the next big step we can all take to help control the virus…

FRANCE 24 English
@France24_en

The French government has asked people to stop using homemade fabric face #masks as the artisanal coverings are considered to provide insufficient filtration against the new, more contagious #coronavirus variants

https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1352566678224310273

372217 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #921 of 2114 🔗

Doesn’t this scupper all previous reasons given for wearing a mask?

Cloth is good enough they said to catch phlegm, no mask will stop actual virus tranmisson alone they said. What do Sridhar’s Masked Hamstered think about this?

372283 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #922 of 2114 🔗

This is how you know you are in a cult, religious fervour type situation.

When the obvious answer – masks don’t work – is cast aside in favour of a completely ludicrous one: that a cloth masks works with some strains of a virus, but not others.

It’s borderline mental illness.

372301 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stewart, 2, #923 of 2114 🔗

“Borderline”?

372352 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, #924 of 2114 🔗

Guarantee we’ll hear now these lockdown lovers say “Well, I’ve been wearing my military grade, X56775544, double strength, triple reinforced, mask since Feb.”

372391 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to Nobody2021, #925 of 2114 🔗

And just below that post – GBD?

372208 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #926 of 2114 🔗

Regional bus company has replaced some double decker routes with 18 seater minibuses. Sign of the lockdown.

372216 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 4, #927 of 2114 🔗

It’s the same with Scotrail or whatever they are called these days. They have cut the number of trains because their revenue/passenger numbers are down by 90% because of the scamdemic.

372385 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 1, #928 of 2114 🔗

I’n afraid that’s commin sense, given the intrinsic absurdity of the situation. All our buses and trains hereabouts (West Wales) are trundling around empty. Not surprising, since we aren’t allowed to use them

372213 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #929 of 2114 🔗

El Presidente’s daily dictatorship briefing has begun, this has just been said by one of her “experts”

“ Chief Nursing Officer Fiona McQueen has spoken about the protection the first dose of vaccine offers.

“The first dose does give a substantial protection against Covid-19. It doesn’t kick in right away, and there have been some people who have had an infection a day or two after they’ve had the vaccine, but it does take about 2 weeks for the antibdodies to start growing. That then continues on and provides further protection.”

No mention of the death numbers that this vaccine is causing though.

Yes, the dictator’s naziland dream is still alive & kicking here in Scotland.

372219 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #930 of 2114 🔗

It’s not the death numbers that is the main objection – it’s the making of claims that, by definition, have not emerged from a proper testing regime.

372225 ▶▶ jb12, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #931 of 2114 🔗

Protection after one dose isn’t even true, but then neither is it true for 2 doses either.

372243 ▶▶ stewart, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #932 of 2114 🔗

Pfizer and AstraZeneca seem to think you need 2 doses, but what the hell would they know. They only did the research and produce the vaccines. They’re not truly knowledgeable like government officials and advisers.

372289 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, 1, #933 of 2114 🔗

Half shots for kids I say. Why not.

372427 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stewart, #934 of 2114 🔗

But they haven’t done the third phase of their trials yet – people being vaccinated now are the unwitting participants in that trial…

372245 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, -5, #935 of 2114 🔗

No mention of the death numbers that this vaccine is causing though.”

That’s because relative to deaths from the actual virus, it’s neglible. And it really is time that people accepted the actual evidence about that.

372268 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #936 of 2114 🔗

The death numbers matter the number of adverse affects matter. This is not to mention whether it actually provides protection. We are working on an assumption that it does at the moment.

372274 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #937 of 2114 🔗

Your a bit right but not entirely.

23 deaths out of 43000 vaccines in Norway is .05% which is a small number.

But certainly not negligible compared to the covid death rate. It’s less but not negligible.

And it’s about the covid death rate for children, if that. We don’t know if the vaccine mortality rate would hold for children, of course.

And it’s a higher death rate than the one for the trial population, which is worth noting.

So don’t clamp down so hard on anyone wanting to see the stats. Being skeptical about a rushed vaccine is not only reasonable but a smart thing too.

372295 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #938 of 2114 🔗

That’s because relative to deaths from the actual virus, it’s neglible.” Well, that may be true but no-one really knows how many deaths that actually is, and no-one with the power to do so seems very interested in finding out – in fact they seem interested in deliberately obfuscating that number.

372324 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, #939 of 2114 🔗

Do we know which vaccines have been withdrawn in which countries, and the reasons given ?

372732 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Lucan Grey, #940 of 2114 🔗

Very few people expected people to start dropping dead within days of having their 1st dose of the vaccine. Even the limited testing they did should have excluded that possibility. What we do know is that the more severe side effects happen after the 2nd dose and we’re not going to know much about that for quite a while now that they’re not being given until 120 days after the 1st.

As for long-term effects, no one at all can be sure of those since they just have not been tested for long enough. Antibody dependent enhancement was a very real and fatal issue for animal testing with previous potential Coronavirus vaccines. So they believe it won’t happen in this case but what happens when a vaccinated person acquires a mutated version of the virus? No one knows for sure and I’m certainly not qualified to say. However, the fact that highly qualified people such as Dolores Cahill and Sucharit Bhakdi are warning about this very possibility is enough for me not to want to go anywhere near these vaccines.

Also, when comparing the risk of dying from the vaccine to the risk of dying from Covid, you have to factor in the chance of contracting the virus in the first place and then multiply that by the probability of dying from it.

372830 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, #941 of 2114 🔗

Relative to population size, COVID deaths are negligible and true COVID deaths are absolutely so.

372235 alw, 12, #942 of 2114 🔗

Excellent riposte from Dr Claire Craig to the odious NeilDotObrien in relation to his tweets about her. The low calibre of so many of our current MPs is a stain upon the nation.

On Tuesday, @NeilDotObrien accused me of spreading disinformation and gave some specific examples. The vast majority of my tweets were factually correct based on publicly available data.While Mr O’Brien is entitled to disagree with opinions that he thinks are wrong, doing so in this way as a member of the Government (in the Justice Dept) is inappropriate.During a time like this, when there’s so much at stake, abandoning the central principle in a liberal democracy of using evidence rather than rhetoric to propose and refute ideas is dangerous and self-defeating.Members of the Government have a responsibility to listen carefully to all arguments. They should then try to balance all the available information and make difficult decisions based on their best interpretation of *all* of them.In his very first tweet @NeilDotObrien calls me a ‘top COVID-sceptic’. I have never denied the existence of COVID. Ever. His tweet is clearly false. Or, to use his phrasing, Mr O’Brien is ‘spreading disinformation’. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1352515811492159489 )

372237 alw, replying to alw, 2, #943 of 2114 🔗

Have just heard of the sad death of an 86-year-old man with cancer and it is being logged as pneumonia. Is it the first one of the so-called pandemic?

372375 ▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, #944 of 2114 🔗

Surely it was Covidonomia?

372241 John P, replying to John P, 5, #945 of 2114 🔗

Dr Clare Craig is – understandably – on the warpath this morning, following backbench MP Neil O’Brien’s recent libellous remarks about her and her professionalism and motives :

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath

I think the only thing she gets wrong here is that O’Brien is not a member of the government, he is simply a jumped up backbench Tory MP.

I am reliably informed that O’Brien is not local to the area that he represents, so perhaps that is why he has so little genuine interest in the lives of his constituents, and instead prefers to spend his time attacking professional clinicians on twitter.

372476 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 1, #946 of 2114 🔗

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1352516669038612480

She must take O’Brien to court for defamation (similar strategy of Dr Reiner Fuellmich and team) taking fact checkers to court as they defamed Dr Wolgang Wordag.

372244 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 50, #947 of 2114 🔗

Thanks for everyone’s responses to my earlier comment – I told my bf and he is really touched.

I may not have met a single person on here in real life but I feel like I know you all and recognise you by username, and you all have your own unique personalities and ways of expressing yourself. Thank you for maintaining one of my last bastions of sanity in this mad, mad world.

372267 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 17, #948 of 2114 🔗

I think what I want to say is that you guys are not alone. There are thousands and thousands of people even millions who have had their whole lives shattered. The way they view the world has been changed for ever.

In my opinion, this could be a good thing. Yes life is intolerable right now but it never was that great. It wasn’t that great because of the way people are total in the dark about the evil and malevolent nature of TPTB.

It is only after the masses can see how evil and corrupt those wielding power are that WE can do something about it to make it better.

This covid bullshit does have an end point. It’s in the script. Just like they flicked the switch onto climate change from terrorism, they will flick the switch on covid bollocks. When that will happen, nobody know, well they do but they aren’t telling us.

It will be over either when they say it is or people stop them.

Anyway, I think things will probably get better and if they don’t then we will have to adapt to the new normal which should give us all plenty to think about. Life is a daily struggle after all.

I have often hoped for a revolution, this is it. On one hand we have evil totalitarian psychopaths and on the other we have people and their desire to ragain their freedoms.

Somewhere in the middle we will get back to some kind of equilibrium and it might be a lot better than what we have now or have been enduring for the last 20 years.

Now the people can see properly what they are up against in all its full spectrum technicolour where previously the machinery of the deep state lurked in the shadows.

372331 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Two-Six, 2, #949 of 2114 🔗

I agree with you Two Six, I think the world is changing and will in time be better for all. This hysteria is part of losing the old ways and establishing the new ways.

We all have a view of how we want life to be like. Perhaps now is the time for everyone to start focusing and visualising this world. By keeping this in focus we will get the world we all need and want.

372371 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ambwozere, 8, #950 of 2114 🔗

I agree. I used to think that ‘normal’ would return, but now I anticipate a new world. And it could well be a better one. For a start, I now value every friendly human gesture, word and deed like the most fine gold.

372334 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Poppy, 5, #951 of 2114 🔗

Individually we are weak , like a single twig.
But as a bundle, we form a mighty faggot “

372361 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #952 of 2114 🔗

Hey, not so much with the faggot!

372491 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #953 of 2114 🔗

We, not so much with that analogy. The word for that in Italian is fasces….And you know what that led to.

But you’re not wrong.

372346 ▶▶ Professor, replying to Poppy, 8, #954 of 2114 🔗

I learned earlier this week that my daughter (about the same age as you) and her boyfriend, who moved in together at the end of the Summer, had sadly separated. Whether they would have had a future without lockdown, who can tell. However, what is certain is that being locked down in a small London flat was a major contributor to their breakup. Perhaps this is viewed as a small matter in the grand scheme of things, but when it involves people close to you it is a terrible and unnecessary tragedy.

I hope that you and your boyfriend remain strong and get through this together. You have my best wishes.

372358 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 8, #955 of 2114 🔗

We know one another in our hearts.
Some of us have seen each other’s faces, albeit only on beastly Zoom. I would love to see more faces, but hearts are what really matters.
And brains, because hereabouts we use them.

372246 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #956 of 2114 🔗

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.”

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

new WHO guidance tweeted by Carl Heneghan who is back

372259 ▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 10, #957 of 2114 🔗

WHO also don’t recommend long term lockdowns.
Or masks really.

For some reason governments aren’t paying much attention to them now.

372263 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #958 of 2114 🔗

given this new WHO advice is from the 13th Jan, any government stats that regard a case based only on a single PCR +ve without supporting clinical diagnosis or a repeat test is officially ‘fake or misleading information’

372317 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, #959 of 2114 🔗

It sound also rule out doing asymptomatic testing at schools. Unless they have a doctor there and provide CTs returned on any tests

372252 Nottheonly1, replying to Nottheonly1, 5, #960 of 2114 🔗

As the mind is failing more often, one aspect of the whole show is obedience. There simply could not be a fake pandemic without obedience. That it is a fake pandemic – as opposed to a real pandemic with dead people in the streets – must be obvious by now.
Which leads to the idea that obedience has to be the mother of fear. Without fear, there is no pandemic either. Sure, fear has been a inseparable part of human evolution and steered the entire species through its existence. Does it not strike as odd, that times with relative fearlessness were also the richest in terms of culture and development of consciousness?
Alleging the dependency of fear to obedience of any kind and obedience itself to the degree of consciousness of the mind, it makes perfect sense that this fake pandemic with all its fake remedies is a result of an ever decreasing consciousness among the species. Consciousness opens the doors to a deeper understanding how things and thinks work together. It ought therefor not come as a surprise, that the discovery by the mind of causes and their effects, of the interdependency of all things and thinks will lead to a fearlessness in regards to one’s own existence. Tragically though, the one discipline that explores these connections, causalities and dependencies has been all but abandoned. When was the last time You witnessed a deeper philosophical discussion about these topics? Not happening here.
Here, where I am, the focus is given to fear and obedience. The alleged virus is depicted as a murderous pathogen that is out to get You. Yes, You , and You, and You. Which leads to another possibility – that fear is joined at the hip with guilt. A deep sitting guilt, stemming from the intuition that the way humans have been living for far too long was not only against principles of Nature, but tailored exclusively to the enrichment of the ruling classes at the expense of the many.
It is the same few – some now for generations – that have indulged in heaping up fear on the many, demanding the oberarching obedience to perpetrate in an endless cycle the relationship of the few to the many: “Do as I say – Not as I do.” Guilt driven fear then utilizes obedience to escape this cycle – only fir the individual to find itself unable to escape the accompanying oppression, disenfrenchment and degradation.
Lockdown Sceptics have obviously reached a degree of consciousness that makes it impossible to simply nod off any ludicrous and preposterous measure thrown at the population to deal with a pandemic that is none. Understanding more clearly than the many and looking through the deceit of the few – that the oppressive control of the many serves not to preserve their declining overall health due to the toxic policies of the few, but the consolidation of total control of the majority.
The hypocrisy of playing the card of concern and care, while at the same time murdering innocent human beings for profit, bashing heads for dissenting views, poisoning the land, the air and the waters – yes, Fukushima is still a thing and the gift that keeps giving, its tenth anniversary around the corner – a ruthless fascist dictatorship of the wealthiest over the many, demanding they get vaccinated against Nature.
The solution therefor ought to be the strongest introspection about what Nature really is – if not us and everything else. To search – mind by mind – for a humanity that does not have to subdue Nature, to proclaim it to be superior to the womb it sprung from. The virus is us. Or maybe even better: VirusesRus .

If anything, we owe viruses our very existence. To declare war on viruses is to declare war on being human – and that sounds exactly like the Überfascists the likes of Schwab, Gates, Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Dorsey et al. The powers these cretinous fake humans have over the many are derived from obedience and fear. The only antidote for these psychopaths is to wise up to the fact, that You should love the virus. Any virus.

Corona – I Love You!

Because only unconditional love can fix what the hate of the psychopaths towards the many has damaged and destroyed.

And yes, call me crazy, by all means – in the light of what comes from the psychopathic few.

372296 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Nottheonly1, 3, #961 of 2114 🔗

Absolutely. A Lockdownsceptic is one up on everyone else. We are not afraid of the virus. Which should make us happy. Not depressed at all. What is depressing is the realization that the herd is a herd and is not easily turned or stopped when guided by fear. But we knew that already. I was watching a film biography called The Nazi Officer’s Wife ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0mOA1KAZME ) on our beloved Youtube, and what struck me was that the ardent Nazis who had been brainwashed from a young age, were not unbrainwashed after the war, but kept on being Nazis, albeit secretely. Therefore I´m not sure we will have a Savonarola moment when the Political Class has found a landing strip for its virus airplane. That does not really matter as long as this disasterous lie has been put to sleep. I´m still of the opinion that they are now preparing to land their plane and this will be over in March. In May the popular line is that we were all sceptics and in a year nobody remembers this at all.

372503 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to BJJ, 1, #962 of 2114 🔗

A better title would have been:
“The Nazi Officers’ Wives” – because having grown up only fifteen years after the Nazi society, I realized that Germany had lost the war – but the Nazis were victorious in spreading their ideology all over the planet. Most notably via “Operation Paperclip”. What the many experience now are but the fruits of this perverse ideology spreading like mold.

372257 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 10, #963 of 2114 🔗

Bath rugby club closed its training ground after 19 players tested positive – when double checked 18 of them were false. The lab claim it was a result of some kind of operational error which has since been rectified.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2021/01/21/bath-closed-training-ground-reports-19-positive-covid-tests/

372480 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Adamb, #964 of 2114 🔗

Yeah. Sure. Right.
And repeated across the country.

372258 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #965 of 2114 🔗

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1352539998717939713/photo/2

The Eurosorveillance acceptance of the Drosten PCR paper happened in 24 hours peer review. It will probably end up in Guinness Book of Records as the fastest peer reviewed article ever.

The group wanting retraction of this very flawed paper, requested from Eurosurveillance information about whom peer reviewed and further information about the peer review process. The above letter from ECDC Chief Scientist, Mike Catchpole, says that this cannot be disclosed according to regulations and protect the peer reviewers. Interesting.  Drosten sits on Euro Surveillance board and is involved in peer reviews. But we will never know if he peer reviewed his own article.

372286 ▶▶ leggy, replying to swedenborg, 4, #966 of 2114 🔗

I think I read that the next fastest peer review on Eurosurveillance was 20 days.

372313 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #967 of 2114 🔗

They can’t say who peer reviews papers? Why would that be an issue? It’s hardly state secrets. Again science claims transparency as its core principle and yet.

372316 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #968 of 2114 🔗

Bill’s a quick reader.

372863 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to swedenborg, #969 of 2114 🔗

If we don’t know who peer reviewed it, how can they stand over the accuracy of the findings? It could be the university plumber who reviewed the paper (in matters of university plumbing, I will defer to the university plumber – on veracity of testing protocols……)

372264 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #970 of 2114 🔗

CONTROL!

It is part of the human condition to take control of our environment & interactions with other beings we coexist with on this planet, including each other.

The reasons for this shit show are centuries in the making, a steady creep of socialist values, indoctrination by state institutions, ever increasing risk aversion, putting health & safety above living, surrendering freedoms for security. But above all the aforementioned contributing to the evolution of civilisation, its the manipulation of society by those that consider themselves more important or entitled, They have but one motive & its not altruism!

There is denial on both sides of lockdown, as to what is actually happening here it is both a power struggle & the evolutionary path our species has taken. Over reliance on technology & the technocrats. But applied science has a long history of solving short term problems & creating long term issues that far outweigh any benefits.

Many lockdown sceptics are in denial consistently making excuses for those narcissistic psychopaths who call them selves the elite/leaders & the dismissal of natural process. We are just part of a complex system of life on earth, viruses have an ecological function & ecology isn’t subjective or emotive, once again we are fighting NATURE .

I had lost faith in science long ago when it had become evident to me how corrupt it had become by emotions, corporations, politics & of course money. This covid shit show has confirmed how irreparably corrupt our system has become. Politicians do not care who or how many die but how many votes/voters they will loose, they are literally advocating coercing & forcing snake oil on us, no one can possibly know if or how safe/dangerous it is, the motive is very simple power & profit, no grand conspiracy, just human nature.

Empower yourselves fight back whilst you can, time is running out, this is about yours & your children’s futures, everything they say and do is to manipulate & control you & the narrative for their benefit, its that simple, no one on the lockdown zealots side is losing influence or money!

372401 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #971 of 2114 🔗

The reasons for this shit show are centuries in the making, a steady creep of socialist values”

Funny that, given the fact that global corporate capitalism has been calling the tune for 40 years.

372474 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 1, #972 of 2114 🔗

Or global corporate socialism, where the corporations impose restrictions on the popu that the governments daren’t do, i.e. vaccine passports (Boris: “not me, Guv. It’s the airlines.”)
There’s been the long, slow march through the institutions, as predicted by the Soviets, to make the West so rotten it collapses.
That’s where we are. We might have had real capitalism once, but now we don’t.
The big multinational corporations take out the small ones, and become near-monopolies, and they’re big donors to government, and in the US, get to become part of the Biden administration.

372512 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #973 of 2114 🔗

Once you get passed Marx & drop the worship of long dead idols, Socialism is just the manipulation of the masses, through fear & false promises, to advance the interests of convergent mutual benefit, it works both ways, cost & benefit, but always requires the majority surrender their freedoms for the rights of a minority.

I prefer self reliance, accepting natural process to regulate human arrogance, with freedom & liberty the core principles that drive the narrative of my life. I neither condone or endorse crony capitalism of corporate socialism directed by entitled neoliberal globalist & their rules based order, guess who makes & benefits from their rules!

372265 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #974 of 2114 🔗

Israel – emerging news on “immunisation passports” known in Israel as “green passports”

Daily infections, positive test rate drop further as outbreak seems to abate https://www.timesofisrael.com/daily-infections-positive-test-rate-drop-further-as-outbreak-seems-to-abate/
To encourage vaccination, the government is planning to issue “green passports,” which will allow those who are vaccinated or who have recovered from the virus to attend large gatherings and cultural venues. The immunized will also be exempt from quarantine requirements.
However, a member of national coronavirus czar Nachman Ash’s team said Friday that the benefits will only be for people vaccinated in Israel and who are at least a week after their second dose.
“Someone who was vaccinated abroad, even if he has a [proof of] vaccination document, can only leave quarantine after an antibody test,”
———————————————————————————————————–
So if this approach is adopted elsewhere, the so-called immunity passport will be useless for international travel or am I missing something?

372310 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 7, #975 of 2114 🔗

It’s a good point. Thankfully, in this case, Israel is a shithole and not worth visiting.

372329 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, #976 of 2114 🔗

Underrated post

372351 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #977 of 2114 🔗

If you are a practising Jew, Christian or Muslim, Israel is a holy land and/ or Jerusalem is a holy city. A pilgrimage there is the high point of many people’s lives. Many have died for the sake of it.

372393 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, 5, #978 of 2114 🔗

Many have killed for it – and still do regularly.

It is one of the most uncomfortable places that I have ever visited – with the indigenous people in eternal lockdown and subjugated by oppressors. After the last year, I understand even more how a Palestinian feels.

372505 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 1, #979 of 2114 🔗

Yes. This. Hot, sweaty, dusty, tightly controlled and overflowing with weapons and agressive looking IDF soldiers who clearly just don’t want you to be there. Nativity church was beautiful (though not really in Israel), and the irrigation works are mightly impressive, but on balance, a pretty awful experience.

372888 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Annie, #980 of 2114 🔗

So many people believe in fairytales – like COVID and organised religion.

372504 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to godowneasy, 2, #981 of 2114 🔗

Interesting to compare with neighbouring Lebanon with hardly any vaccinations compared with Israel.The curves look the same.

372950 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #982 of 2114 🔗

Here are the curves

372270 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #983 of 2114 🔗

If masks work, why are people dying alone, they’re dying, what more could happen?

372281 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, #984 of 2114 🔗

Hungry cats…

372471 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, #985 of 2114 🔗

Zombies from one of the new Corona strains
Oh wait – the masks have already done that

372271 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #986 of 2114 🔗

Looks like the continuation of dodgy science to support a pre-arranged strategy of lockdown:

Danish experts say Kent mutant may be just 36% more infectious | Daily Mail Online

The range is now 20-50% more transmissible for the ‘scary’ 70% Kent strain that prompted Doris’s December panic. Not that it will matter to the numpty MPs who bought into the then NERVTAG politically-motivated narrative, but once proper scientists start looking, guess what, the narrative falls apart. Anticipate it will be found to be closer to 10% more transmissible in the end!

372285 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #987 of 2114 🔗

They are sick. To play people this tune of fear is deliberate and only damages people’s health

372360 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #988 of 2114 🔗

… and, of course, you rarely hear that the increase in transmissibilty for a virus is usually associated with less severity – a basic evolutionary derivative.

372278 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #989 of 2114 🔗

You may know that Germany made wearing a surgical mask or a FFP2 mask mandatory in public transport and in shops from last Monday.
Even before then vulnerable people and above a certain age were able to get 3 free FFP2 masks from the pharmacy.
The govt/the taxpayer is paying the pharmacy Euro6 PER MASK!
That is 18Euro per person!!

A factory in Bavaria which usually produces parts for the automotive industry has switched to producing FFP2 masks and got 60Mill Euro from the government (so Germany does not rely heavily on China).

Who bribed the politicians to make surgical and FFP2 masks mandatory? Who is profiting?

372311 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Silke David, #990 of 2114 🔗

Not us unfortunately

372279 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 8, #991 of 2114 🔗

My local church is livestreaming a fella’s funeral on Youtube.

It’s sick AF.

The only saving grace is that they thought to disable comments.

372343 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AidanR, 4, #992 of 2114 🔗

Virtual death. Virtual grief. Real horror.
.All the churches have betrayed both man and God.

372284 David101, 8, #993 of 2114 🔗

I would most certainly give my views in the BBC survey linked to above, if it wasn’t for having to register an account with the BBC, which I won’t do on principle and to avoid apocalyptic headlines being emailed to me every day. So I’ll just say it here instead:

I think that all along the BBC have been broadcasting in line with SAGE’s admonition to keep the British public living in a sate of terror presumably to foster compliance with ever-changing rules (it’s in the minutes of the SAGE meetings). So it’s full of worst-case-scenario reporting, stories that are intended to vilify sceptics, shock-and-awe tactics, fear and sensationalism.
Getting your news from the BBC alone is like staying abreast of local affairs in a city by spending the night in the A&E department of one of its main hospitals. To an extent it has always been as such, but never in the history of the press has such a panic-machine had an influence on the national zeitgeist.

372288 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 8, #994 of 2114 🔗

PASSING THE WEE SCOTTISH BUCK

Covid in Scotland: More than 400 care homes investigated over deaths – BBC News

So lets blame the care home providers for 40% of the covid deaths in scotland. Wee krankie and nhs scotland and the local scottish councils who largely fund care home providers (establishment) had nothing to do with it. Utter disgrace.

372342 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to tony rattray, #995 of 2114 🔗

The only people left to blame are the ones who’ve died. It’s their fault for catching it.

372416 ▶▶ Basics, replying to tony rattray, 2, #996 of 2114 🔗

Give this time, thise carehomes may well become active legally against what is being done to them.

If the crown office is snagged up in the sturgeon affair now a long game of waiting for the right moment may be wise.

372291 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 12, #997 of 2114 🔗

£500 for a positive test result?!!!

If I actually catch COVID I wonder how much I could make selling my swabs and taking the test for people?

Pay me £100 a swab, you’re still up £400.

I’ll even do a 3 for 2 offer and refer a friend discount.

Please form an orderly queue. cash only, thank you.

372294 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #998 of 2114 🔗
372299 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #999 of 2114 🔗

Andrew Lawrence has already undercut you..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=499rZZ_E_5k

372305 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to AidanR, #1000 of 2114 🔗

Damn it, back to daytime tv for me 🙁

372381 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #1001 of 2114 🔗

Look what they do with your money. Con artists.

372412 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #1002 of 2114 🔗

Ebay… what are they going to do ? Test your swab! They want it to be positive so will pop in back in the wash until it comes out the colour they like. It’s a brilliant money spinner!

372292 alw, replying to alw, 22, #1003 of 2114 🔗

Out for our daily walk this morning. Stopped to get a hot drink at a local café. A group of young mothers with young children in buggies outside having coffees. Balloons on all the buggies and celebrating a one-year-old’s birthday. Great to see and the young children had an opportunity to see their peers. Not ideal but better than nothing. Necessity is the mother of invention.

372483 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to alw, #1004 of 2114 🔗

Probably against regulations but lovely to hear.

372297 Alice, 2, #1005 of 2114 🔗
372300 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 18, #1006 of 2114 🔗

The one thing more annoying than women swerving pointedly away from me on the pavement (I can understand that) is when they holler back at their kids to get out of my way too. (Get away from that man Johnny! He’s acting like he doesn’t have it!

372303 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #1007 of 2114 🔗

Actually, I see this as a fringe benefit. The Internet-of-opinions has been wishing parents would keep their kids under control in public for more than 20 years now, and overnight we have ourselves a result 🙂

372319 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to AidanR, 2, #1008 of 2114 🔗

…and they are not running riot in the supermarkets either!

372344 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to dorset dumpling, 6, #1009 of 2114 🔗

I’ll take kids running riot over the passive subservient shuffling of the masked walking dead any day.

372478 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to AidanR, #1010 of 2114 🔗

I know you’re joking (well, a little) but I fear the more inadequate parents having to be at close quarters with their offspring 24/7 may be resorting to very unpleasant methods of control.

372515 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to WasSteph, #1011 of 2114 🔗

Increases in all forms of domestic abuse need to be taken into account when the reckoning comes.

372307 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #1012 of 2114 🔗

https://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=14412&article=www.thinkscotland.org

Excellent piece by Michelle Ballantyne; an MSP who gives me some hope for the future.

372389 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to wendyk, 1, #1013 of 2114 🔗

There is some hope after all for scottish politics! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

372309 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 25, #1014 of 2114 🔗

In order to work on a local construction site 2 years ago, I had to fork out 30 quid for a face fit test certificate ( check it out) ..it’s about 3 hours, you are fitted with a dust mask that fits firmly around the contours of your face- beards are out btw, that time is spent being informed about lots of other respiratory information as well, not massively medical but commonsensical, we needed the masks so that we could cut on a bench 18mm ply & 4 x 2s outside- you know, in the open air.
I have wondered what with all this Epidemiological emergency ‘maskery’, why there is not a standard British kite mark medically and scientifically approved mask that is freely available to all?.. I mean during the 2nd World war I imagine there would have been the standard Gas mask available and issued to the population.
Fast forward 2020. Gov.uk web site offered advice, and instructions for making a mask out of a T-shirt, my own local medical centre said a tea towel would be alright in the absence of a ‘proper’ mask…I knew early doors that this whole thing was all mostly bollocks..(Apols if that offends)

372315 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to yohodi, 6, #1015 of 2114 🔗

They might as well just say “there’s no evidence, but it’s the thought that counts”.

372330 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to yohodi, 11, #1016 of 2114 🔗

I mean… that’s the tell, isn’t it.

I recall seeing the Ebola scare in the US. My first indication that something was not quite right was the picture of a ‘patient’ with Ebola on a gurney being lifted off a ‘plane surrounded by guys in full hazmat. This picture was blasted all over the press.

I subsequently saw a wider shot, where the hazmat guys were surrounded by press photographers wearing no protective gear whatsoever. “Hmmmmm?” thinks I.

Later still, a report showed a couple of NY plods stuffing an NY street bin with PPE, after attending an ‘Ebola incident’. “This is looking a lot like total bullshit” thinks I. I tried to raise the flag over and over with the US folk I was chatting too, but they were too busy being scared out of their minds to listen. Turns out it was all about as real as the ‘anthrax’ postal scare.

So now we have pointless DIY masks (the purpose of which is clearly not for protection), and politicians and journalists eagerly ripping off their masks when they think the cameras have stopped rolling. Oh, and attending maskless soirees beyond the view of Joe Public (though they forget that cameraphones are a thing).

Hmmmm…… It’s almost as if we live in a world run by fucking liars.

372376 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1017 of 2114 🔗

We do. And they are very good at it.

372406 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1018 of 2114 🔗

Indeed. But the craziest thing is, if you read Bernays’ ‘Propaganda’, you realise that we actually all agree to live in a arrangement where we are constantly manipulated, because we see it as beneficial – and where, per Baudrillard, we all rely on a tiny slice of reality framed in whatever way we prefer, rather than trying to comprehend the entire truth. So really we’ve only got ourselves to blame that this sort of thing can happen in the first place.

372495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1019 of 2114 🔗

Yes- there’s a huge amount of truth in Baudrillard for those prepared to get past his style of writing.

372528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1020 of 2114 🔗

Agree it is tough going but it’s like sceptic heroin, though I was struck with a sense of hopelessness too, when he shows how very far we are from really understanding anything fully or reaching any kind of concensus.

It has helped in the currently climate though, in understanding that the gulf between advocate and sceptic exists not because a difference of opinion, but that we live in two entirely different universes, both of them a simulacrum. There will be no pandemic, there is no pandemic, there was no pandemic.

Maybe I should conceed and go with Socrates’ profound wisdom – I don’t know anything. I guess Baudrillard is agreeing with him on some level.

372388 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to yohodi, 4, #1021 of 2114 🔗

I deal with Industrial Injuries benefit claims and compensations for asbestos-related illnesses and I wonder about the impact of all this continuous mask wearing, breathing in those fibres for hours on end. I wish there was some new concrete evidence to show that it can not be a good thing and needs to stop as soon as possible before there is some long term damage. I have heard of numerous people getting pleurisy due to mask wearing as well.

372433 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1022 of 2114 🔗

You’re quite right.
Constant, long-term mask wearing can potentially lead to Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, from breathing in plastic fibres that stick in the lung and cause inflammation.
By the time that happens, those responsible will no longer be in government.

372546 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to LMS2, 1, #1023 of 2114 🔗

When that happens government lawyers will deny responsibility, pointing out that government guidance was for people to wear a face covering made from cutting up an old T-shirt.

372408 ▶▶ Basics, replying to yohodi, #1024 of 2114 🔗

Good comment. Thanks.

372467 ▶▶ stewart, replying to yohodi, 2, #1025 of 2114 🔗

Now that the penny is dropping for more people though, rather than accept masks are BS, instead they are claiming its the wrong type of mask.

When that doesn’t work, they still won’t admit they don’t work. They’ll come up with some even more ludicrous explanation.

372318 Professor, replying to Professor, 9, #1026 of 2114 🔗

There seems to be very little discussion of the latest modelling predictions that were reported yesterday (summarised here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9171483/Herd-immunity-not-achievable-UK-vaccinated.html ).

The take-home message is that if you feed the enhanced infectivity of the Kent variant into the models, plus the efficacies of the various vaccines (the Oxford/AZ vaccine being significantly less effective than the Pfizer one), the computer says that it is apparently IMPOSSIBLE to achieve an R value less than one using the Oxford/AZ vaccine and it can only be done with the Pfizer vaccine if you inoculate 82% of the population (presumably with 2 injections, given that a single dose is only around 33% effective in the over 60s ( https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9174157/I-fear-ditching-dose-timetable-prove-costly-mistake-writes-expert-PROFESSOR-HERB-SEWELL.html ). However, as 19% of the population is under 16, and so not currently approved for vaccination, even the Pfizer vaccine cannot stop exponential growth of infection unless we start immunising children as well. At least, that is the conclusion if you believe the modelling.

For those who thought the scary “4,000 deaths a day” graph was bad, the new ones from the Warwick modelling group show over 6,000 daily deaths if there is a complete relaxation of restrictions from April. Gradual relaxation between Feb and Aug 2021 is claimed to produce a Summer spike (July/Aug) in the region of 2,000 deaths per day.

Given that this sort of modelling feeds into government thinking, it would be very optimistic to see any relaxation of restrictions anytime soon. However, that their model can seriously predict that a seasonal respiratory virus would produce a large spike of infections and deaths in the middle of Summer, just goes to show that their parameterisations are naïve and contrary to the underlying biology.

I am reminded of the old joke in academic circles, concerning the situation when mathematicians believe they can model complex biological processes that they don’t really understand. A mathematical physicist proudly announced that using computer modelling he had managed to solve the age-old problem of ‘why did the chicken cross the road’. “It was simple,” he said, “all I had to do was assume a spherical chicken, crossing a perfectly flat, frictionless road, and then the result just popped out…”.

372322 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Professor, 5, #1027 of 2114 🔗

Whitty and Valance are joining the PM for the 5pm fear-fest, so no doubt these models will be used to provide some scary graphs.

372350 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1028 of 2114 🔗

Liar, damn liar and prime minister.

372396 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1029 of 2114 🔗

They’ll be 4000 dead by Shrove Tuesday if we don’t cancel Easter.

372405 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1030 of 2114 🔗

Pre weekend looming, right on time. Set your watch by it.

372414 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1031 of 2114 🔗

I wonder how many people still watch the fear-fest?

372347 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Professor, 8, #1032 of 2114 🔗

Am I sick of hearing about the “ R value” – a nebulous modelling variable that is utterly dependent on prior data. The Bollocks Broadcasting Corp was touting today – in support of lockdown, of course, which suddenly ‘works’ – against all the evidence.

We really shouldn’t fall into the trap, knowing what we do about the failure of the vast majority of models.

372490 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, #1033 of 2114 🔗

Hear, fucking hear- your first sentence, Rick.

372445 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Professor, 4, #1034 of 2114 🔗

2,000 deaths a day in the summer? Is this a joke?

Trying to keep R value below 1 is like chasing rainbows. The R value of endemic diseases like flu and common cold are above 1 every year, precisely because they are endemic, and we have never had this hysterical overreaction before.

373149 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Poppy, #1035 of 2114 🔗

No such thing as ‘R’ value mere invention of modellers.

372458 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Professor, 1, #1036 of 2114 🔗

Hopefully those numbers are just so ridiculous that people will realise they are being had…

372321 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #1037 of 2114 🔗

Eddie Hearn Tweeted this today.

Two men I know have taken their lives in the last few days. Please if you are struggling, talk to someone close to you or call one of these numbers. Things will get better

It got me thinking about who suffers the most during lockdowns/restrictions. Eddie Hearn is a sports promotor and my assumption (I could be wrong) is that the men he mentions are involved in sports or fitness in some way.

There was a time I was so unhealthy little children would run past me on small hills that I used run up as a little boy. Annoyed at having children beat me going up a hill I determined to get fit and started going to the gym every day. After a while I felt great after a workout, something to do with endorphins I believe, and if I missed a day I’d get really irritable and grouchy.

I no longer have the time to go to the gym every day, they’re closed anyway so there’s also that, and my life is mostly spent doing regular things with my family. I’ve also been working from home for many years and because of this lockdowns haven’t really affected me that much. Truth be told I could probably live like this indefinitely but there’s no way I’d want it for my little girl or my wife nor anyone who wouldn’t choose to live like this as a default.

The people I think who suffer the most are the ones who enjoy life the most. In a way it suggests that those who are comfortable with restrictions don’t really have much of a life to sacrifice, much like myself. It’s tragic regardless who it is but I would ask those who think lockdowns are a good idea to consider what they are really sacrificing during all this.

372333 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1038 of 2114 🔗

Your final point is absolutely bang on – but I’m afraid that people don’t actually ‘think’ when they’re in a state of fear.

As to “ I think who suffer the most are the ones who enjoy life the most.”

I’m not sure – I think the factors are complex, and the taking away of minimal pleasure/relief can be – literally – fatal.

372338 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 1, #1039 of 2114 🔗

Mine is just one perspective, I know it’s more nuanced than that and sacrifice is relative to individual circumstances.

372339 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1040 of 2114 🔗

Of course there is also the phrase “Things will get better”. What evidence has anyone seen that things will get better? At the moment they get worse every day. People just need to look around. My question is at what point do those elderly who have shut themselves away question how much of their remaining life they want to live like this? What’s the point of extending your lifetime if you have to live it like this? How long do you wait to hug your grandchildren? A year, two years, never? Of course the main problem is that none of us are even being given the choice. That’s the crime.

372410 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Achilles, 13, #1041 of 2114 🔗

I’m 65.
I don’t want to stay like this indefinitely. My time is limited, as is MOH. What’s the purpose of living so much longer, kept “safe” from everyone else, under near-house arrest? There’s more to life than merely existing.
Until and unless the public mood changes dramatically, this is permanent. No travel. No family and friends. Dying lonely, have been stuck at home doing nothing for however long the government decides to keep us imprisoned.
No thanks.

372620 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to LMS2, 4, #1042 of 2114 🔗

I’m 65 too, and whilst I totally understand that the problems of younger people in all this are bigger than mine, I still feel that I’ve got a lot of living and experiencing and learning left to do. My life is (I hope) far from over. Feeling very frustrated and despondent at the moment.

372364 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1043 of 2114 🔗

Many good points raised there. Although I know of a lot of people who enjoyed life a lot – festivals, travel, eating out, socialising……….and they are sucked in by all this bull shit. Mind you, they have secure income – for now.
I enjoyed all of those things too but the last few years with having two very young children aged a year apart has made my life busy raising them, so I haven’t had much time anyway. It’s not affected us massively either, except the one gripe I have is my pro-lockdown MIL who complains about missing her grandchildren but won’t have us near her, not even as a bubble. Then she worries they will act strange around her when they see her. My grandmother still doesn’t want to hug any of us until her 2nd vaccine dose (I know, I know) but at least she wants us to visit her in her house. My kids are missing out on those precious toddler years getting to know some extended family. I am thankful they are not school age yet and can still go to creche for socialising with other children.

I don’t want it for my children or anyone elses. No matter what their age.

372398 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1044 of 2114 🔗

Spot on.

A natural constititueny of lockdown are the people with not much of a life, who envious as they are, now have ‘those who love life’ down at their level unable to enjoy it either.

372400 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1045 of 2114 🔗

“those who think lockdowns are a good idea” are generally the selfish ones, because they want everyone else to make all these sacrifices because deep inside, they’re terrified of catching it.

I’m guessing they’ve never had a bad about of flu (I have, once, years ago) and are unable to put everything into perspective.

372911 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, #1046 of 2114 🔗

Talking solves nothing – action is required.

372323 RickH, 9, #1047 of 2114 🔗

Just factual information :

4m drive (outskirts of city). C. 10-15% outdoor mask wearing – not as bad as I feared.

372326 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 8, #1048 of 2114 🔗

Amazing what you miss the first time round. Just reading Ivor Cummins’ rebuttal of Christopher Snowden in Quillette. This YouTube clip Ivor references says it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1111&v=p_vAQyVlXzU&feature=youtu.be

starting at about 18’20” in (although all of it has huge value.) Ivor’s graphs clearly show that over 2020 14 out of 25 countries had no epidemic at all and quite a few of them were harder hit in 2017 and/or 2018. So, unless these graphs are fraudulent (and I don’t believe they are), then we are witnessing  – in your face –  evidence for a massive crime against humanity. I know Ivor has said he doesn’t think there’s a conspiracy per se (Dellingpod), more just plain old-fashioned corruption, but whichever way you look at it is a CRIME. Worth bookmarking for all those who will be accused of heresy by the zealots in the months to come. I am.

372485 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to HoMojo, 2, #1049 of 2114 🔗

It wasn’t just a rebuttal, it was a brutal evisceration. Well worth a read.

372328 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1050 of 2114 🔗

Guardian today has an article about University job cuts.

“At least 10 universities in the UK have announced plans for staff job cuts to save money, in moves branded as “insensitive” and “despicable” by academics struggling to support students through the difficulties of the Covid pandemic.”

372336 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basics, 9, #1051 of 2114 🔗

some good news at last! learn to code!

372366 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 4, #1052 of 2114 🔗

I exoect to see appkications to universities plummet this year.

372374 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 5, #1053 of 2114 🔗

yes, I wouldn’t bother now. you’d be better off taking the coursebooks and a laptop to a remote cabin somewhere. you’d have a 3 years course done in a year and save a fortune

372399 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to steve_w, 6, #1054 of 2114 🔗

Ss pleasing as it is to see these rotten money grabbing institutions die off the impact of remote learning on the businesses that thrive on student life will be detriimental to cities across the country.

Same as the family sandwich shops that serve the offices now working from home.

The wealth of Edinburgh University in City terms is huge. There are two other universities too.

I find it pleasing the academics are now feeling the heat. As often commented upon they have remained quiet while in a priviledged position to understand fully what is going on.

372497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 1, #1055 of 2114 🔗

don’t worry, all those who have enjoyed the lockdowns so far are living on borrowed time

372694 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 1, #1056 of 2114 🔗

It might sound heartless, but being surrounded by these people for the last year, I will savour the consequences of this starting to affect them.

As an aside, I read that SGSAH (the arts and humanities research funding body) are now ‘focusing’ (read: primarily funding) arts and humanities projects that involve climate change and equality and diversity. I hope the public money dries up for these idiotic ideologues.

372434 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to steve_w, 5, #1057 of 2114 🔗

I agree that university is totally pointless now, but f unnily enough, I have heard from several sources that a lot of kids actually feel forced into university right now because employment prospects are so grim. My bf’s brother was meant to start an apprenticeship but it got cancelled, and is now only at university because he’d likely be sat at home doing nothing otherwise. Others in my cohort (age 21/22) feel so despondent at job market prospects that they feel there’s no other option but to remain at university for the time being and do a Master’s degree, just for something to do.

372456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Poppy, 1, #1058 of 2114 🔗

There’s nothing new there!

I graduated in the recession of 1991. Everyone I knew did a Masters, PhD or went travelling. There were 200 graduates for every graduate job.

but I’m not minimising your issues – you have all that and lockdown – so good luck and there’s worse things than staying on at University when the job market is shit!

372489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, #1059 of 2114 🔗

If I was young, I would just do some online distance course – that’s all you’d be getting anyway, but for a rip-off price, and with a bit of house-arrest and bullying thrown in

372379 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 9, #1060 of 2114 🔗

Good
The Uni’s are part of the reason we are in this mess
Too many lesbian basket weaving degrees and not enough plumbers

372384 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1061 of 2114 🔗

Yes, the whole covidian mentality is rooted in the universities.

372386 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 5, #1062 of 2114 🔗

My heart breaks with sympathy.

Not.

372447 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 5, #1063 of 2114 🔗

Oh honestly. What did they expect to happen? They are supposed to be academics!!

372472 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1064 of 2114 🔗

This was my thought, you put it superbly!

372335 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1065 of 2114 🔗

In the cost/benefit analysis of lockdown that the government must be doing….any intervention must save more QALYs than it costs.

I wonder what QALY they associate with life under lockdown? I would say mine is about 0.5. If that was an average (actually high because I’m not doing too bad) then we have lost 30 million QALYs through lockdown for a (very optimistic) 5 million ‘saved’ (according to notorious Ferguson modelling).

If the government regards a QALY for a year under lockdown to be equal to 1. Then that in itself is frightening.

372395 ▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to steve_w, #1066 of 2114 🔗

Good point

372397 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #1067 of 2114 🔗

The government has consistently claimed that it has not made a cost benefit analysis. The SI for Lockdown Version Three specifically stated that there was no impact assessment. On 10 April 2020 Matt Hancock said that the government had not made any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the lockdown measures it had introduced. He promised to make such an assessment as a matter of urgency and provide the results. He hasn’t. I suspect the government are being wilfully blind on this, as any such assessment of the policies would show them to be irrational, irresponsible and incompetent when judged by the criterion of saving lives. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/the-nice-formula-and-coronavirus.html

372418 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1068 of 2114 🔗

yes. it is criminally negligent of them. there is no doubt to me that QALYs lost due to lockdown will be greater than saved when the final reckoning is made. I just want them to count ‘life under lockdown’ as a reduction in quality. This alone would blow lockdown out of the water in any cost benefit analysis – let alone the rest of the effects

Fergusons most extreme scenario was 5 million QALYs saved by lockdown (of course utter bullshit). This is offset by just reducing everyone’s QALY by 0.1 when in lockdown.

372345 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1069 of 2114 🔗

Glasgow Times on Carehome staff –

Glasgow health chiefs reveal strategy for beating Covid vaccine sceptics

CITY health chiefs have revealed how they are tackling anti-vaccine Covid sceptics in their care home workforce.

Health bosses across Glasgow are working to ensure their staff are immunised against the virus, with the city’s health and social care partnership engaging with workers to increase their confidence in the vaccine.

A spokesman said: “We’ve found that the hesitancy from staff is falling as soon as you start sitting them down and talking about it.”

Read more –
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19018116.glasgow-health-chiefs-reveal-strategy-beating-covid-vaccine-sceptics/

372464 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 5, #1070 of 2114 🔗

Ahh so instead of an informed decision they are threatened….

372468 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 4, #1071 of 2114 🔗

Sat down and spoken to. Yes.

372348 lutherkehrt@gmail.com, 3, #1072 of 2114 🔗

How about, as a suggestion for the theme music, Twilight of the gods from Götterdämmerung…..

372349 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #1073 of 2114 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55768033

“The UK’s R number, a measure of whether the epidemic is growing or shrinking, is at or below one for the first time since early December.”

It went below 1 on the 4th Jan according to Zoe (the trustworthy one)

govt always use the worst data

372370 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 4, #1074 of 2114 🔗

“WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases – WHO now acknowledges that PCR test results are problematic.

The R rate is based on faulty data, because the test results it is based on are unreliable. There’s literally nothing that can be gleaned from interpreting the R rate. It is a completely worthless metric.

It might as well be based on what sort of animal shapes you can spot in the clouds. Seriously.

372378 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, #1075 of 2114 🔗

I think its a useless metric when based on poor PCR data. I think the Zoe is good data and the R value worth looking at

372390 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 1, #1076 of 2114 🔗

OK, but I spotted this in the BBC page you linked about Zoe:

“A survey by tech company ZOE and King’s College London, based on swabs of people with and without symptoms”

And those swabs are PCR tested, so I don’t see how they can have value, so I’ll have to disagree (though I usually do agree with your comments btw).

372407 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1077 of 2114 🔗

The Zoe uses self-reported symptoms – over time these are compared with people that have covid (tested via PCR). So yes, there can be some issues – but you won’t get asymptomatic people counted. You certainly won’t get happy healthy people testing positive via Zoe.

ie the PCR test must be correlated with clinical symptoms and this just gives the list of symptoms from self-reporters that get turned into covid. It will pick up colds and wont be perfect but it has shown itself to be good over time.

My wife loves your username by the way 🙂

372431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 1, #1078 of 2114 🔗

Ah ok, my mistake then, I hadn’t fully appreciated that aspect of how ZOE gets its data – symptomatic corellation with PCR is the prefered method of use of course, rather than relying on PCR as the primary diagnostic. I see your point in that case, it’s closer to some sort of reliable indication than anything else available. In the Land of the Blind and all that…. Thanks for explaining.

I’m glad it gave her a giggle. 🙂

372443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1079 of 2114 🔗

I showed your username to my wife because she asked what I was laughing about. So thanks from both of us !

372422 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1080 of 2114 🔗

ZOE covid data is very likely to be grossly overestimating those with covid symptoms as it is a health app and who uses those? I would say people who are hypochondriacs use health apps, so they will be reporting anything as a covid symptom…loose knees, flappy tongue, damp speen….the list goes on…

So the ZOE results are likely to be a huge overestimation of people who actually have succumbed to covids.

372439 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1081 of 2114 🔗

Yes, that’s why we’ve got such symptomatic gems as sore tongue, blue toes, and even chin swelling I believe.

373223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, #1082 of 2114 🔗

collie-wobbles?

372409 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, #1083 of 2114 🔗

govt always use the worst data” or if no data available, use ridiculous projections, or just make stuff up and/or lie

372424 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, #1084 of 2114 🔗

But what about REACT? Isn’t that what everyone is focusing on now? It’s the worst one, so obviously it must be right.

Anyway I thought lockdowns, especially ones like this one that aren’t “proper” and we’re all supposedly bending, flexing and breaking, wouldn’t be enough to control the scary new variant? We were told that R would never go below 1 again, weren’t we?

372353 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 34, #1085 of 2114 🔗

“Mr Johnson also delivered a stark message that the new coronavirus strain is “much more contagious”, repeating his plea for people to stay at home and obey the rules. ”

The common cold is contagious, but we don’t lock down the country because of it. It might be more contagious, but if it’s no more deadly, or better yet – and I notice the careful choice of language which makes me think this is more likely-it’s less deadly, then why do we need continued lockdown? They’re still treating this like it’s the plague, and it’s not.
Boris says lockdown could continue until summer. Then what? A few months of freedom, then another lockdown because it’s winter again and respiratory infections are on the rise?

They’re never going to let us out.

372362 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 6, #1086 of 2114 🔗

Lock him in #10, he’s a danger to society.

372377 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1087 of 2114 🔗

Lock him in a secure mental facility, along with SAGE, NERVTAG, and any cabinet member who agrees with him.

372516 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to LMS2, 3, #1088 of 2114 🔗

Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
And build them a home, a little place of their own
The Fletcher Memorial Home
For Incurable Tyrants and Kings

And they can appear to themselves every day
On closed circuit T.V
To make sure they’re still real
It’s the only connection they feel

372469 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1089 of 2114 🔗

We need chants of #LockThemUp every time they do a press briefing or announcement

372575 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to bebophaircut, #1090 of 2114 🔗

That’s not a bad idea. You get all the politicians and advisors and lock them up in a facilty for a month with no masks or anything. Just vaccines and other drugs.

Then see how many get sick and then test accordingly.

372363 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to LMS2, 1, #1091 of 2114 🔗

agreed…they will let us out to play for the summer holidays……

372402 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Luckyharry69, #1092 of 2114 🔗

And expect gratitude. Maybe we should start a collection.

372435 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1093 of 2114 🔗

Don’t hold your breath. Believe you me if this thing was as deadly as they are making it out to be, they WOULDN’T be telling us!

372419 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to LMS2, 3, #1094 of 2114 🔗

If it was more deadly, or the same amount of deadly, they would tell us. Therefore I’d bet money on it being less.

372463 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to LMS2, 2, #1095 of 2114 🔗

Well functioning immune systems are what protected us since forever

372355 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 29, #1096 of 2114 🔗

Can I make a polite request all contributors to Lockdown Sceptics.
Too many lengthy comments are written as a single block of text.
If your opinion piece is lengthy, could I ask you to review the finished article and break it down into paragraphs. This will make your contribution easier to read and ensure you get your points across.
Thank you !

372442 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to tarfu, 6, #1097 of 2114 🔗

That

is

very

good

advice

🙂

372526 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 3, #1098 of 2114 🔗

Or one
could
go
syll
ab
le
by
syll
ab
le.

372459 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tarfu, 6, #1099 of 2114 🔗

Great request – much easier to read if in paragraphs

372462 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to tarfu, 3, #1100 of 2114 🔗

No! You will suffer my wall of text!

372356 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 18, #1101 of 2114 🔗

Every time I see a photo of President Biden he’s wearing a black mask. Sitting at his desk, walking about. This guy’s going to die of hypoxia. What a maroon.

372368 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bebophaircut, 11, #1102 of 2114 🔗

Well that’s one cure for his nonce sense

372383 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1103 of 2114 🔗

Oh, it’s even better than that. He’s recently taken to wearing two masks at once..
I expect it’s just all for the cameras.
He’s had a vaccine jab,so I have to wonder what the whole mask thing is about, i.e. just for propaganda effect for the population.

372417 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to LMS2, 6, #1104 of 2114 🔗

Apparently at the inauguration, they all wore naps but but kept pulling them down, still hugged, kissed, shook hands, and didn’t social distance, with each other. Rules for thee but not for me…

372426 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelenaHancart, 1, #1105 of 2114 🔗

Yes . saw it.

372524 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 2, #1106 of 2114 🔗

Double mask for the double-faced?

372696 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to LMS2, 1, #1107 of 2114 🔗

I don’t believe he or any “VIP” has had the real “vaccine.” Can you imagine what it would do to the agenda if any of these people ended up with Bell’s Palsy, anaphylaxis, or any of the other lovely adverse reactions we are seeing?

372438 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1108 of 2114 🔗

It stops his teeth from falling out.

372449 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1109 of 2114 🔗

It stops his chin falling off, with no FN Biden’s face would simply slide off, leaving a neat line starting from under his ear lobes running around his forehead under the hair line.

They can also do his words for him using voice synthesis and it saves on the CGI to over-dub his mouth movements.

They have planned for the future when nappy head Biden’s brain becomes more holy than the pope and all he can do is dribble in piss his pants.

372475 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1110 of 2114 🔗

Which is why Kamala suggested he wears 2 masks ..who needs Poirot eh it was the VP who dunnit

372493 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1111 of 2114 🔗

It’s all part of Kamala’s plan, get the doddering old fart to asphyxiate himself and become President.

372943 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Smelly Melly, #1112 of 2114 🔗

She’s not even moving into the VP residence for 6 months while it is “renovated”. It will save a move by going straight from her home to the White House.

372380 Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #1113 of 2114 🔗

Lockdown Stories: I contemplated suicide | 20-Jan-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtlq8arl4jo&list=WL&index=42
A talkRADIO listener has said she contemplated suicide because of the stress the lockdown.

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Sarah Banks from Derbyshire said: “When Boris first announced the lockdown I went into a panic state. I have childhood trauma, and anything that makes me feel out of control triggers that.

“In the first few weeks we muddled through. Things started to get worse for me. I was spiralling out of control to the point where I walked out of the house with the full intention of taking my life and not coming home.”

Ms Banks said her children were happy to return to school but her eldest child struggled after two pupils tested positive in her school bubble, meaning she had to isolate.

She added her family have only seen her mother-in-law through a window since March: “We bought her an iPad but the home haven’t been able to find the time to connect that to the Wi-Fi.”

372382 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 13, #1114 of 2114 🔗

Is it my imagination or have the media gone quiet on ‘overwhelmed’ hospitals lately? (I don’t watch bbc news so may have missed it there)

372404 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Adamb, 5, #1115 of 2114 🔗

I had the same thought

Back onto mutant strains now, and attacking sceptics

372415 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Adamb, 7, #1116 of 2114 🔗

It didn’t happen in the spectacular way that was predicted (people dying in the hospital car park in their cars, for example) and the difficulties have been mostly limited to a small number of hospitals in and around London as far as I know (not a BBC watcher either!). Admissions in these places are now starting to slow down, so it hasn’t made for a particularly good story.

Therefore, onto the next thing – as Julian says above.

372425 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Adamb, 5, #1117 of 2114 🔗

The Gov/NHS dashboard reports English NHS total covid patients 3 days ago 34336 now down to 33886 in yesterdays report. Also I think they have been moving covid patients out of the busiest hospitals.
Our local hospital, Barnstaple, reported yesterday that they had 7 Covid patients with none on ventilators, I think that as a local district hospital it is close to having got back to normal operations

372603 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Adamb, #1118 of 2114 🔗

They’re probably just gearing up for the next round of catch phrases. You’d have noticed for months on end during the summer and autumn nearly every day it was “stand by your beds” as cases are BOUND to rise in the winter! Keep the hospitals clear! Then for all of December and Jan it’s been pretty much “nearly overwhelmed” or “at maximum capacity” etc. I wonder whats next? Back to ‘standby for incoming’ perhaps? I think we’ve still got a bit of ‘nearly overwhelmed’ to go yet.

372411 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 28, #1119 of 2114 🔗

Sceptics, I am one of the most pessimistic people out there, but on days like this I feel like there is hope. I have just been for a walk with a friend, it was heaving. One swerver had a go at us for being on the “wrong” side of the track, but everyone else was normal. Plenty of traffic, kids queueing for the sweet shop, playground busy, a group of young men having a chat round someone’s car. Plenty of masks on the main shopping street, but aren’t there always.

And the difference? Today, where I am at least, it is bright and sunny. If the government think that the majority will still be doing this over the spring and summer, when the weather starts to improve, I really do think that they’re in for a surprise.

I’ve thought that before however, and been wrong. Hopefully that’s just my pessimism talking!

372413 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1120 of 2114 🔗

No, I think you’re right.

Warmer weather + Vaccine Illusions disappear + Economic pressure.

= rising public discontent and anger

372457 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to rockoman, 11, #1121 of 2114 🔗

Already a lot of anger that schools are still closed and return date is unknown. Time for children to stand in front of schools with ‘boards’ demanding their return.

372420 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1122 of 2114 🔗

I agree, and it will also pass the year mark from this whole saga began and more people will have simply had enough.

372453 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #1123 of 2114 🔗

Then they’ll begin blaming us for being doubters, even those who generally obey the rules. They’ve got to be able to blame someone, and for some reason they don’t want to blame the government.

I had a conversation with my very nice neighbour today, a good soul, but a simple one. She was wearing a scarf over her face. I joked with her, saying she looked as if she were about to rob a stagecoach – then I said that I didn’t wear one, and showed her my lanyard. Her reply? ”Well, if everybody had one of those everybody would be catching it, it’d spread like wildfire…” I said ”If your sunglasses are steaming up, then your breath is coming out”. She just shrugged and we parted amicably (I think).

Oh dear. Oh dear dear dear. I didn’t argue – best to keep the peace with a neighbour. Up to now she’s been very relaxed – hugs, friends around, sharing a wine over the fence. I think they suddenly become afraid of lockdown itself, and need to blame someone for their fear.

372600 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Banjones, 1, #1124 of 2114 🔗

That pisses me off though. If she believes in it stick to the rules. Don’t pick and choose the ones that suit you and condemn those who breach rules you do follow. Complete hypocrites.

372481 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #1125 of 2114 🔗

My elder granddaughter should have started university last September but had to defer to September 2021.
She has (like millions of young people) worked hard for years to be offered a place.
I will tell you now that if Bozo,his partners in crime and the medical advisers who one bloke on TR now estimates at around 200 stops my granddaughter and all her contemporaries from following their dreams, I will be extremely angry!!, NO, actually I am toying with an idea which involves a rusty hacksaw.
I know that I speak for millions out there, Grandparents, parents and children.

372437 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to A. Contrarian, 26, #1126 of 2114 🔗

Just had my afternoon walk and unlike in April there seems to be two distinct camps now, Those who seemingly don’t give a shit anymore and those so scares they would litteraly throw themselves into moving traffic to avoid you or walk knee deep in mud if the park path happens to be busy.

372470 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1127 of 2114 🔗

Yes, I’ve noticed the same.

372486 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1128 of 2114 🔗

If that’s what they (swervers) want to do, then they had better do so and decrease the surplus population.
With apologies to Charles Dickens.

372487 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1129 of 2114 🔗

Why, this has the makings of the greatest game of ‘tag’ the country has ever seen!

372492 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1130 of 2114 🔗

Or “Tick” in this part of the world.

372496 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1131 of 2114 🔗

You’re it! Nahhh!

372587 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1132 of 2114 🔗

Swervers are so amusing. I like to swing by them like a comet being drawn to an orbital body! So far I’ve had no reactions from these enjoyable near misses. People often go off the path and into the thick mud. Some even stop entirely and wait for you to pass. Others sort of ‘walk away’ pretending they’re going somewhere else, but when you look back, you see they are going back ON the path. Ah hah, gotcha! And then those wearing masks outside…

372676 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #1133 of 2114 🔗

Had exactly these experiences today. Due to the nice weather local park busy. I made a point of walking past some people quite closely, and when a jogger with a face mask on stood to the side until I had passed, I walked specially slow.

372631 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1134 of 2114 🔗

Outside today, four masks seen in three hours of walking. Couple stood talking to another couple….we haven’t been out, except to get click and collect, since October. Then last night when he said could be summer we said stuff that and we’re so enjoying being out today. Didn’t need to ask what was being talked about

372669 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1135 of 2114 🔗

What if we have a brutally cold spring (as has been the case many years)
Statistically it snows more in March then in December

372428 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #1136 of 2114 🔗

This was sent to me. I wonder what they died of? I suppose if they had a ‘test’ within the past 28 days, that could prove very convenient, especially for the vaccinated ones.
https://www.facebook.com/166522910029056/posts/4281617265186246/

372551 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 2, #1137 of 2114 🔗

This is the same incident covered by the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9176135/Major-Covid-outbreak-care-home-Worcester-kills-15-residents-33-staff-test-positive.html

Interestingly it is very careful in its wording to imply that all the (remaining) healthy care home residents and staff were vaccinated against covid19 since the deaths occurred. But, reading between the lines, it could also be interpreted that the residents might have been vaccinated some time before the ‘outbreak’. Question is whether it was an unfortunate, random covid outbreak that killed the residents or a direct consequence of having ‘the jab’.

372593 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Dodderydude, #1138 of 2114 🔗

Looks like DM are censoring the comments, as btl, questions are being asked about when was the vaccine given. Disgusting fudgery of course.

372430 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1139 of 2114 🔗

A large national care provider has just stated to employees that they need to be tested every two weeks for fragments of genetic junk or they will not get paid.

Is this actually legal? can the employees refuse to have a test and still work and expect to be paid?

372452 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1140 of 2114 🔗

Compulsory testing is not legal as it is not part employee contracts – the only way to make it compulsory is to change contracts and that is a lengthy negotiation process ……

372460 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 4, #1141 of 2114 🔗

right. I think this is yet more fear bollocks but it will take a fight I think and I don’t they can win if it’s tested unless they re-do the contracts.

372465 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1142 of 2114 🔗

my young relative who works in a care home has already been doing this for a while – unwillingly, the test is not comfortable- and now he has been ordered to get the vaccine, or get fired, which he and a group of colleagues have taken up with their trade union

372473 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #1143 of 2114 🔗

yep, I don’t think they can legally do this. This is just so wrong. If this vaccine was tested and worked and did provide immunity then perhaps it might just about be OK. It’s not like this and its just so wrong. I hope there is a huge backlash against this bullshit.

Mrs 2-6 has been a carer for her entire career and is really experienced. I doub’t that she will every go back to it again unless they stop all this insane bullshit.

372604 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1144 of 2114 🔗

That is shocking. I don’t think they can enforce it and I suggest he seeks legal advice

372659 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JaneHarry, #1145 of 2114 🔗

Never refuse a vaccine
make it conditional (employer/GP etc) on signature of a liability letter
(pro tip– they won’t)
Proforma can be found here – just need to replace USA with UK

https://freedomtaker.com/

372633 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, #1146 of 2114 🔗

Testing is not in the current t&c’s so you can politely decline until such time as you are symptomatic, at which time you will get a test yourself externally

372440 bebophaircut, 3, #1147 of 2114 🔗

We are not the subversives, they are. We are the curators of culture, unfettered creation, freedom, decency and human rights.
What happened to The Politics of Dancing, ooh, feeling good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRrSwLHyxGc

372448 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 13, #1148 of 2114 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/t9kVxL3kwUc/ – I know this has already been posted (I think I got it from here) but please watch if you haven’t already; it’s very uplifting, it gives hope and a feeling of empowerment: ‘we CAN fight this, we CAN push back against the evil cunts’ ; it made me realise that my default state of mind is a feeling of complete helplessness, fear, and a bitter anger – at bottom, I believe I will be dead soon: murdered by my own government, and my only hope is that it happens before I get to see those I love perish – it made me realise that this is generally not a good way to live your life, and it doesn’t have to be like this

372518 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1149 of 2114 🔗

You won’t be dead, Jane, you’ll be alive and kicking your heels in our victory dance.

372595 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1150 of 2114 🔗

“complete helplessness, fear, and a bitter anger”

These feelings are all a choice. Choose something better. It just takes practice is all. Catch yourself in these moods and do something about it. Uplifting vid, uplifting song, thinking about the many blessings in your life, reminding yourself not to be so easily upset, breathing, meditation, a nice walk, a bit of philosophy, some affirmations, a good motivational video…. whatever it takes. You CAN do this. Do not be a victim of these bastards. DO NOT let them win. The fight starts in your mind. Be Neo in the Matrix. You are the resistance, we need you strong and dangerous, not defeated. We’re all with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bguEiUgDA4

372450 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1151 of 2114 🔗
372466 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #1152 of 2114 🔗

I wonder if the state propaganda broadcasting service will bother to mention (figures updated today) that death is now the 51st most common Adverse Event Report in the American Adverse Event Reporting System with 121 deaths reported from the Covid19 vaccination, I’d be the first to say not necessarily be from the vaccine, just as some of the other adverse events may not be due to the vaccine. But seems quite high up the list to me.

But it is still early days. Watch this space?

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

372484 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1153 of 2114 🔗

Full indemnity suckers!

372507 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Schrodinger, #1154 of 2114 🔗

But it is still early days.”

The top and the bottom – by definition. Absurdly so. Which is why testing takes unavoidable time.

372477 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1155 of 2114 🔗

It is interesting than nobody is discussing the “twindemic” during the winter, which was so feared by SAGE and others, a simultaneous influenza and C-19 wave during the winter. CDC, even developed a combined PCR for flu and C-19. The general understanding now is that flu has disappeared miraculously and all cases overwhelming our hospitals are C-19. These are diagnosed mainly by PCR. This test is now in hot dispute and even WHO now requires strengthen the test with Ct levels together with clinical assessment. This might not be enough having Ct levels. In the McKernan-Borger paper there are many further problems with the PCR test not detecting genes and other flaws in the lab set up. In short, are these PCR cases C-19 or another respiratory virus?

There is little evidence that further tests are taken in PCR pos cases. It is unclear how often they are also tested for flu in PCR pos cases. But we have heard all flu tests have been negative. But which flu test? Hardly viral cultures, which are very cumbersome and most likely they are PCR test for flu but are these fully reliable?

There is one test that could diagnose C19 better, serology. People with PCR test pos, ending up in ICU ought to be serological positive according to the timeline ending in  ICU 2 weeks after infection. How often are PCR pos cases in hospital tested with serology to confirm the diagnosis? How else can we exclude a “twindemic”?

https://portalcne.isciii.es/enecovid19/informes/informe_cuarta_ronda.pdf

The above link in Spanish is the latest 4 th serological survey in Spain which they are doing regularly and the latest in the end of Nov, when Spain had already started its new wave of C-19. My Spanish has limitations but I think they select 75000 persons all over Spain which they regularly test for antibodies for  Sars-Cov 2. I think that the level has been quite low 6-8 % in the previous survey and in the last November survey, only seronegative from previous survey are tested. They will get a rough estimate of total level seroconverting and interestingly relating seroconversion to recent reported symptoms, those recently admitted with C-19 and also those admitted with C-19 to ICU.
I don’t know if all these hospitalisations/ICU admissions are self- reported or if the researchers double check with hospital records but I suspect the information is self- reported.

There are some very interesting data with the caveat that this is self-reporting. The anosmia, so famously correlated to C-19 , astonishingly only 43 % of persons seroconverted. More than half has other respiratory pathogens responsible. It is known that flu can give anosmia. See page 20.
Another surprising figure is the amount of sero prevalence of antibodies for persons admitted to hospital with C-19 disease(on basis of PCR) They have divided hospitalisations for 1 and 2 weeks and persons admitted to ICU with pos PCR. (Page 20)
One third in ICU admitted with C-19 did not have Sars-Cov2 antibodies. In the hospitalisation one can see that more antibodies develop with more than one week hospitalisation but 75% with 1 week hospitalisation did not develop antibodies and for those more than one week, 30 % did not develop antibodies
Most patients would develop antibodies after 2 weeks and only exceptionally in severe immune-suppression would it possible to have low or undetectable antibodies in C-19 disease.
 This begs the question. Can we have a “twindemic” now? Why don’t we start testing all PCR pos cases in ICU to confirm if they develop antibodies? One would think this would become rather urgent the more we hear about unreliable PCR tests. Would it not be interesting, considering the roll out of the vaccine to confirm the diagnosis and not missing another respiratory virus ie flu?

372488 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1156 of 2114 🔗

Good question

The govt and their collaborators won’t want to talk about flu as it exposes their lies

372514 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1157 of 2114 🔗

A good overview, swedenborg.

But, cutting through the detail, the basic problem is that in creating a hysterical fake pandemic, any chance of proper analysis is buggered by corrupted data.

372523 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1158 of 2114 🔗

“La prevalencia global (porcentaje de personas en la población con anticuerpos IgG frente a SARS-
CoV-2 desde el inicio del estudio) se sitúa en un 9,9% (IC95%: 9,4-10,4), siendo bastante similar en
mujeres (10,1%; IC95%: 9,5-10,7) y en hombres (9,6%; IC95%: 9,0-10,2).”

” The total prevelance (% of the population with antibodies IgG against SARS-CoV-2 from the beginning of the study) is around 9.9%, with similar levels for men (10.1%) and women (9.6%)”

Tgats the key highlighted text in the document. If you want any of it translated tell me which part.

372588 ▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1159 of 2114 🔗

Please translate ‘mujeres’ and ‘hombres’ again…

372594 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, #1160 of 2114 🔗

The Covidian zealots insist that somehow a dominant virus can push out another as if in a turf war
Whilst one can be better at bumping off granny they would surely both remain in circulation (as would the other strangely forgotten Coronavirises)

372652 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, #1161 of 2114 🔗

Flu went away from WHO data in April – surely sage would be aware flu is gone. Ou est le Flu?

372666 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Basics, 1, #1162 of 2114 🔗

The Viennese want to revive the flu… in fact they want to make it great again!

372936 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ken Gardner, #1163 of 2114 🔗

I saw that! Good thinking!

372479 isobar, 6, #1164 of 2114 🔗

I have spent my lockdown time today trying to get my head around why anyone should seek to set up a website to personally attack those, who I, and I am sure many fellow travellers would see, as being flag bearers of truth and reason in the situation we find ourselves in. My theory, for what it’s worth, is that this might be a deliberate attempt to sully their personal reputations in advance of them possibly being called as ‘expert witnesses’ in either a public enquiry or legal proceedings against the government.

372482 Nottheonly1, 1, #1165 of 2114 🔗

https://youtu.be/_-HIomubYYU

I just wish creators would use a different platform than the ‘wecensortube’.
Apologies, I was under the impression that there would be the first frame of the video visible. The video is titled:
“Silent Enemy – The music of Prof. Ronald B. Brown”

372494 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1166 of 2114 🔗

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-nhs-has-half-the-empty-beds-available-to-non-covid-patients-than-previously-reported/7029362.article

The beds are unavailable to non-covid patients because hospitals have had to create separate areas for covid-positive admissions and those whose covid status is unknown. They have also had to take more beds out of general use when there are outbreaks in wards and bays which are meant to be “covid negative”.

373009 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1167 of 2114 🔗

Funny that, because a friend who works in the lab at Russells Hall Hospital (Midlands area) said that they were stuffing non-covid patients into the wards with the covids.

372500 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 12, #1168 of 2114 🔗

BBC headline has changed from pandemic to epidemic. Has the message gone out from No 10 to wind things down a bit? Or is it just a mistake?

372506 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to vargas99, 6, #1169 of 2114 🔗

Don’t think it means anythings. Epidemic refers to the situation in a country or area, but pandemic means across different countries. It’s all meaningless now that the WHO can change their definitions at the drop of hat anyway.

Having said that, if there is any sign of winding down in the 5pm broadcast, then I will take it all back and allow a little hope to creep into my heart.

372590 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1170 of 2114 🔗

I guess There won’t be any let up whatsoever. They need to keep this going as long as they can. We need to be fighting back

372545 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to vargas99, 3, #1171 of 2114 🔗

Noticed that the headline is in relation to the outbreak ‘shrinking’ – perhaps a winding-down is on the cards.

372562 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to vargas99, 4, #1172 of 2114 🔗

I doubt they could put this genie back in the bottle even if they tried
The devout Covidians are well and truly committed to the cause

372591 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1173 of 2114 🔗

Yes how could they go back now?

372649 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janette, 6, #1174 of 2114 🔗

I ask myself that question all the time. Can you imagine the swervers, manic sanitizers, mask zealots ever sitting next to a stranger for hours at a concert or sporting event? How will these people ever feel “safe” unless they are imposing their brand of crazy on the rest of us? Western governments have created a cadre of anxiety-ridden people who are mentally ill and have lost all sense of proportion and ability to assess risk. I have also thought it near impossible to put the genie back in the bottle, but I’d love to be proved wrong.

372741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1175 of 2114 🔗

At church people follow all the distancing rules for the service then chat to each other completely normally afterwards. Life is still out there.

372510 ▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, 5, #1177 of 2114 🔗

Of course it’s working. Or if it’s not, it’s all the fault of those pesky mutant viruses and the still more pesky sceptics, who are in cahoots and are not playing fair . Shitty is going to tell his mummy about us and then we’ll be sorry .

372508 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #1178 of 2114 🔗

Apparently the new variant is now on the decline in England!! How can that be so, when it’s so deadly infectious that we must now be locked up for months? (and even lockdown wouldn’t be enough to control it, so we were told…)

372531 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1179 of 2114 🔗

Biden effect

372565 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1180 of 2114 🔗

Fauci to the rescue! He’s now able to ‘follow the science’!

372556 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1181 of 2114 🔗

orange man gone
media no longer need the bat cold

372619 ▶▶ stewart, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1182 of 2114 🔗

Could that’s what viruses do naturally? They come, they rise, they peak, they fall. All by themselves.

372521 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1183 of 2114 🔗

Breaking: Weimar court issues devastating ruling against German lockdown, finding a ban on contact for healthy persons exceeds what was advised by German public health authorities even in nightmare scenarios, and time for unprecedented measures has passed.

(according to Clare Craig on Twitter. The source is in German so I can’t verify).

372534 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1184 of 2114 🔗

A translation of the ruling was posted here early this morning. (One of the very early posts in three parts).

372543 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richy_m_99, #1185 of 2114 🔗

Sorry. I’m not an early riser!

372550 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1186 of 2114 🔗

Climb back up the comments mountain and have a read.
Posted by Northumbrian Nomad. Brilliant.

372535 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1187 of 2114 🔗

Posted a translation on here earlier today. So thanks to whoever that was. One of the first comments.

Amazing stuff. Massive you’d think, even just in galvanising the German sceptics

372552 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1188 of 2114 🔗

If verified, this is extremely heartening. But will it impact more widely? The general weakness of constitutional protection of basic rights in the face of totalitarianism is the underlying issue of this shit-show.

372560 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1189 of 2114 🔗

Translated in full by ‘Northumbrian Nomad’ earlier today.

372525 mj, 1, #1190 of 2114 🔗

another old Charlie Hopkinson lockdown spoof to cheer you up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HS4O0mxl3A
a little pro “do your bit” but it is from last march when people did think we were saving the NHS

372530 Will, replying to Will, 1, #1191 of 2114 🔗

I assume there is no ONS survey again.

372542 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, #1192 of 2114 🔗

See above.

372532 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #1193 of 2114 🔗

UK Column News – 22nd January 2021 has a good segment on how WHO have changed direction on PCR, i’m guessing they’re looking to distance themselves from any future court cases (they needn’t worry the judiciary are even more corrupt than they are).

372858 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Anti_socialist, #1194 of 2114 🔗

Like Reiner Fuellmich’s class actions? I believe one is imminent in Canada..

372536 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 39, #1195 of 2114 🔗

Back and forth it goes. More charts to debunk, more alternative data points to counter with. Each day a different graph, same process.

One grows increasingly weary of the miniature of this tittle tattle nonsense. React study this, react study that, variant this, variant that. It’s all bollocks . Every single piece of science being used by government advisers and politicians is utter gutter trash. Social distancing, PCR Testing, masks, lockdowns, everything is under pinned on hokey wishy washy made up science supported by loosely held together facts, massaged and manipulated in a way to make it APPEAR as though this is all a legitimate method for tackling with a coronavirus. People should ask WHY do we need ANY restrictions at all other than the tried and true methods that worked for all of human history? WHY do you need lockdowns, border closures, face nappies etc for a virus with a tiny IFR comparable with most seasonal pathogens? It’s eminently obvious even to the most mentally challenged that nothing they have done has worked. And I am now of the belief that all of the measures being taken are making things WORSE, not better.

It just seems like we’re getting more and more bogged down in the graphs and charts instead of the core message – WHY do we need any of this! Are we just going to keep doing this back and forth forever?

372547 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Vir Cotto, 10, #1196 of 2114 🔗

You’re right. But the problem we have is that we are still fighting to get the actuality recognised as the truth. The blanket propaganda has been extremely successful.

372564 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 6, #1197 of 2114 🔗

“f ighting to get the actuality recognised as the truth” In reality I think the first battle is to get the actuality in front of people hard and often, to match the exposure that the lies coming from the enemy has been given over the last 10 months. They have a massive head start and the trust of the population (or many of them anyway) in the basic goodness of the govt and the BBC, we have the truth.

372548 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Vir Cotto, 22, #1198 of 2114 🔗

We don’t need ANY if it and never did.
Imagine if Boris hadn’t exchanged his bottle for a sage dummy. We’d still
have some Covvideaths, but vastly fewer because there would be no need to lie about the causes of death. And the care home slaughter would not have happened. The NHS would be overwhelmed just as it is every winter, and the blame would go where it belongs: on government and NHS mismanagement. Schools would not be closed, young people’s future would not be trashed, we would have an economy, we would have a civilisation, Covvie would be an afterthought in the news, and other countries, noticing that
Britain was doing just fine, would abandon their own bollox.
If we’d had a Churchill… or a Thatcher.. or a Disraeli…

372969 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #1200 of 2114 🔗

I gave up wasting my time with the “government” briefings and haven’t watched one since April. You are right, what they are doing is making things worse. It seems by design. All in the plan, I presume. I am hoping that enough people get involved with the actions planned for 31st for everyone to realise we can get out from under this oppression.

372537 dnrobson, replying to dnrobson, 3, #1201 of 2114 🔗

If only 0.91% of the population was infected at the beginning of December, then the Infection Fatality Rate from the last week of December to the 3rd week of December was over 3.8%. This is 2.5 times higher than at the height of the epidemic in April. Either the method of estimating the % of the population infected is wrong or deaths WITH Covid are being added to deaths FROM Covid. I suspect that the latter is the case because the ONS data for December does not show excess deaths in the last week in December were significantly higher than the 5 year average. Whereas in April when the IFR was less, the excess deaths were much higher. In fact the number of deaths in April was 50% higher than the 5 year average.

372930 ▶▶ jos, replying to dnrobson, #1202 of 2114 🔗

It was POLLUTION- look it up – 10x the normal level, unbreathable air in London on 8th April – I can’t bear the fact that no matter how many times I bang on about this NO-ONE LISTENS!!! The government knew it was coming to the south of England because Cummings scarpered and the others lay low but this is a fact and yet – I bet – tomorrow more people will be saying ‘I wonder why so many people died of a respiratory illness in April?’. Please 🙏 🤦‍♀️

373017 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jos, #1203 of 2114 🔗

See graph from Plume app

372540 A. Contrarian, 10, #1204 of 2114 🔗

ONS survey apparently out.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latest

According to David Paton:

ONS infection survey estimates prevalence fell 9% between 27-2 Jan & 10-16 Jan. No survey 3-9 Jan so can’t be sure when decrease starts, but modelled daily estimates suggest peak of 1 Jan. That implies new infection peak earlier (ONS have still not resumed incidence estimates). So ONS estimates imply a peak in new infections much earlier than Zoe. Zoe estimates are only symptomatic cases but I suspect difference is more likely due to missing ONS survey week. Either way, yet more evidence infections were decreasing well before national lockdown on 5 Jan.

Hopefully that will put the REACT study firmly in the bin where it belongs.

372549 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 20, #1205 of 2114 🔗

There is very little difference between the comments here and the comments over at the telegraph ! Surely this thick government realise that the game is now lost.

372553 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1206 of 2114 🔗

Conservatives only read the Grauniad these days.

372555 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 12, #1208 of 2114 🔗

Yes – we sceptics are far, far more numerous than we think.

372613 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to rockoman, 7, #1209 of 2114 🔗

If you believe that, let’s set up a site where you can register as anti-lockdown. We can keep a tally by constituency.

It could be a project for the LS community. See how many skeptics we can dig up. Make it a contest by constituency.

372634 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to stewart, 2, #1210 of 2114 🔗

Let’s not make it easy for them. Apparently the Dems in US have a register of Trump supporters. I suspect there will soon be a register of witches and heretics here…

372638 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rockoman, 6, #1211 of 2114 🔗

Yes. I agree, and I try to spread this message. People do not realise the vastness of the disinfo campaign and how divorced from reality it is. The media do not represent our views in the slightest, they paint a world as they would like it to be, as they try to convince us it is. But look at the comments. Forget the news, look at what people are saying. This is how I guessed correctly that Brexit would win, that Trump would win in 2016…. this is reality.

372835 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to rockoman, 2, #1212 of 2114 🔗

I’ve said many times before on here that we need to be able to recognise each other. We are currently isolated by anonymity and yes, I do believe there are more of us than we might think. The wearing or not wearing of masks is not a reliable indicator because most people will avoid confrontation so wear the damn things rather than have their scepticism exposed to the aggressive zombies.
We need an unambiguous symbol of dissent, like the early Christians had their fish symbol: simple but instantly recognisable.
Difficult to get this one off the ground but I believe it to be far more important than it might seem.
Ideas on a postcard, please. I fancy something runic.

372848 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve F, 1, #1213 of 2114 🔗

Some kind of little lapel badge?

372945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Carrie, 1, #1214 of 2114 🔗

Yes Carrie, little discreet lapel badges would be good. If this were a simple design (like the Christian fish) it could be drawn, painted, scratched, made of twigs, whatever. The thing is that it could be easily homemade out of any material and instantly recognisable by any sceptic who saw it. That way, we could confidently have some real, face-to-face, human, social interaction with any passer by who was displaying the symbol. There is strength (and comfort) in unity.
I believe there are more of us than we are led to believe and yet we are all scattered about in anonymous exile. It worked for the early Christians so why shouldn’t it work for us dissenters?

. Any graphic designers on here?

372982 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Steve F, 1, #1215 of 2114 🔗

The tree of life.

372993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Nymeria, #1216 of 2114 🔗

Yup, that would work as long as it was simple enough to be drawn, made or painted by anyone. The tree is a good image too: peaceful, optimistic and wholly unambiguous in intent.

372566 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1217 of 2114 🔗

Perhaps, but when walking around a park it seems like sceptics are not that common, at least based on the way people act when someone approaches from the other direction. I feel like we’re still quite rare out in the wild.

372569 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Vir Cotto, 9, #1218 of 2114 🔗

I wonder how much of the swerving is down to courtesy and a feeling that it’s the done thing. I find myself involuntarily performing a mild version of it myself sometimes when I pass someone who is obviously distressed and fearful.

372605 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1219 of 2114 🔗

yes i thought that earlier reading the telegraph comments – think there are a few folks from here commenting there! 🙂

372607 ▶▶ stewart, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1220 of 2114 🔗

The only game that is up is that freedom in this county has never been more than an illusion and that we are no more freedom loving than the obedient Chinese.

The police in only a few months have gone from sensible to classic authoritarian police.

372627 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1221 of 2114 🔗

oh sweet summer child – take a wander among the masked maskochists

372554 rockoman, 1, #1222 of 2114 🔗

Just bumoing this wondeful recent update from Ivor Cummins – 37 mins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1111&v=p_vAQyVlXzU&feature=youtu.be

372557 John P, 6, #1223 of 2114 🔗

For those seeking a break from seemingly endless lockdown discussion here is a short documentary on education and free schools by the talented Scottish filmmaker (and lockdown sceptic) Sophie Sandor.

The documentary features an interview with Toby Young:

“Teaching the Poor to Fail”

https://vimeo.com/503299665

372558 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 32, #1224 of 2114 🔗

Lockdown could last to summer? If lockdowns worked we wouldn’t have to wait for summer. Basically you’re saying we lockdown until the virus naturally goes away. Laughable “science”.

372574 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Achilles, 4, #1225 of 2114 🔗

How are they planning to police this in April and May people are not going to comply this time round.

372601 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 19, #1226 of 2114 🔗

Oh please, I’m tired of hearing predictions about the population not complying.

The population have shown themselves to be fucking sheep and will continue to do as they are told.

372660 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stewart, 5, #1227 of 2114 🔗

They certainly are. However, a lot of the population have shown themselves to be virtue signalling hypocrites as we already knew prior to this. They kid on they care about COVID deaths and they trust in the science. However, they are quite happy to have a sneaky wine with their luvvie friends at the weekend. They pick and choose the rules they support.

They certainly don’t want to give up another year of holidays. That will focus the mind of the middle class luvvies.

372679 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1228 of 2114 🔗

I hope you are right.

I fear they will also happily jump through the vaccine hoop as well, immunity passport and the lot just to be able to continue pursuing their vacuous, bourgeois lives.

372778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to stewart, 2, #1229 of 2114 🔗

Just tell the teachers they will have to teach classes all through the summer to make up for lost education in the winter.

That might change the scenery.

372843 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1230 of 2114 🔗

I agree, the time of year and the weather are working in favour of the govt at present. There’s nowhere to go. Come the spring we’ll be off for a day at the coast. Any lockdowns still in place can do one.

372563 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1231 of 2114 🔗

masks + lockdown + vaccine + mass testing = 📈

372573 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #1232 of 2114 🔗

no masks + no lockdown + no vaccine + no mass testing = no pandemic

372570 Will, 18, #1233 of 2114 🔗

22 out of 24 “positive” tests done on English premiership rugby players shown to be false positives. Unfortunately I think your average rugby supporter already knows this whole business is a load of bollix but good to see false positives being highlighted!!!

372572 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 15, #1234 of 2114 🔗

Is anyone on here still optimistic about this charade crashing and burning any time this year? If so then please, try to convince me.

372578 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to mattghg, 13, #1235 of 2114 🔗

Nope. Absolutely no end in sight. At best we’ll all be in tier 2 for the summer and then full lockdown again next winter.

372582 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Hubes, 2, #1236 of 2114 🔗

Well that’s what I think (and fear) too, but I’m searching for alternative opinions…

372592 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Hubes, 6, #1237 of 2114 🔗

Tier 2, bloody hell you’re optimistic.

372757 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hubes, #1238 of 2114 🔗

About right Hubes.

372579 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to mattghg, 6, #1239 of 2114 🔗

Neil Ferguson initial model – 2 years, Coronavirus Act – 2 years, and that’s just the minimum. In answer to your question, no.

372879 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Achilles, 2, #1240 of 2114 🔗

They have to trash the economy first, bring in UBI in exchange for all assets, do away with cash and section all the sceptics so busy,busy,busy – but as the WEF say, at the end of it we’ll own nothing but be happy. Who will own all our stuff – oh that will be them then… lots of miserable trillionaires and is on our slave wages happy to serve.. please tell me this isn’t going to happen..

372586 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mattghg, 17, #1241 of 2114 🔗

No. Getting more and more pessimistic all the time. The last hope I am clinging to is that this could all fall apart through public change of mood in the space of a couple of days. If we had non-corrupt journalism it would have happened many months ago. They are desperate for us not to talk to each other (hence pub closure and lockdown) because they know it could snowball. Additionally any other major country could trigger it at any time. I bet the more intelligent of the government are secretly shitting themselves.

372596 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mattghg, 13, #1242 of 2114 🔗

This ends only when people accept the risk, which is small and should be doable.

That happens when people get fed up and the incentives to take the risk outweigh the negatives. That could be an economic crash or some unexpected shift in mood.

The government is actively working to avoid either of those by plugging the financial holes and turning the fear dial up all the time.

My bet is the government has enough power and is wily enough to keep the population under control (not the virus, obviously) for a long long time.

372602 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stewart, 8, #1243 of 2114 🔗

Their behavioural  scientists have been very, very effective. Unlike their other ones.

372598 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to mattghg, 5, #1244 of 2114 🔗

wish I could but no sorry…its going to get far far worse I predict…….

372606 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mattghg, 1, #1245 of 2114 🔗

as a previous poster has mentioned
Fighting against this is a losing battle
acceleration is the key

372612 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1246 of 2114 🔗

Acceleration into their planned slavery? How do you plan to end that slavery afterwards?

372691 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1247 of 2114 🔗

Do you mean ‘mutate now – avoid the rush!’
(An old anti-Nuclear badge slogan).

There are two principles I offer for consideration.
They are likely to remain unrecognised.

  1. What you resist, persists.
  2. What is not used, fades with non use.

Jesus put it as

  1. Resist ye not evil.
  2. Put the mind of deceit behind you.

The fundamental phishing of identity by deceit is to elicit reaction by which we are framed in the deceit. Having already taken the bait, the mind seeks answer only as framed by the falsely flagged problem. The conflicts and dissonance is then assigned by the narrative beliefs in which we are already identified, but falsely, as the attempt to save ourselves or our world from threat.

Questioning narrative definitions and assumptions is like looking for the errors that must be there because garbage out (feedback) is witness to garbage in (predicates and parameters).

The human mind is liable to inhabit a virtual dissociation of its own image and collective modelling of reality. But only as an expression of conflict arising from such a misidentification. The pattern of lockdown, distance and mask is the recoil from feared Relationship or indeed feared Reality.

Identity IN the masking persona is completely unaware of Reality and seeks power, love and freedom in a substitution that can never satisfy, but delivers disempowerment, lovelessness and slavery, because these are the underlying ‘self-lack’ set in fear, that drives the world of the attempt to get or force life to fit our image or mind – willingly supported at cost of a direct and truly felt awareness of Life that is the source and nature of what we seek ‘outside ourself’ and thereby give power to, and suffer under when invested realities change.

If you allow Life to register as your awareness of being, you will not be addictively thinking, and the thoughts or perspectives that naturally arise to you will be relevant and resonant to who you truly are, rather than what you fear to have become or that fear says you must become.

Or you can persist in what cannot really work as if This Time – it will somehow work. If ‘they’ can do such tricks on us, is it not because we are all already liable to do this unto our self? We can in this very moment recognise and take responsibility for our thought and experience, without waiting for others or the world to change. That it is in any case always changing will then align with your accepted purpose for you, because you are aligning with Life, rather than telling it what to be. We don’t  readily want this because it calls our invested identity into question. But of course!

372608 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to mattghg, 3, #1248 of 2114 🔗

It’ll end when the economy is destroyed, because that is the plan. A financial crash and the enslavement of the people is what they want.

372610 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to mattghg, 5, #1249 of 2114 🔗

An early and prolonged spell of warm, sunny, Spring-like weather might help. Otherwise no…

372611 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mattghg, 15, #1250 of 2114 🔗

No, I’m not optimistic. I’ve resigned myself to a very long and difficult period ahead, particularly after today’s nonsense about indefinite border closures as that has the potential to end my career as well as my wife’s. I’m feeling pretty hopeless, don’t know what the hell I’m going to do.

That said, I’m going to try my hardest not to let them get to me and just keep going. I’ll try to make sure I keep everything as normal as possible for the kids. These nutters can keep their ‘new normal’.

372641 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #1251 of 2114 🔗

If deprived of means to support yourself and family – but offered Gov support – that becomes conditional to signing a new ‘contract’ – with the global state system – with whatever conditions are set out – then the ability to survive may be challenging.
While you are alive, why not live?
The future is unknown and the past is not here – yet we can lose the day to preoccupation with a fearful imagination – given priority.
That might also be seen as the nature of the problems that then multiply as a result.

372616 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mattghg, 18, #1252 of 2114 🔗

Yep. It’s wakey wakey time once the jab has been rolled out and everyone is still living under a rock.

Time to wake up, fuckers. Reality is calling.

372622 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mattghg, 10, #1253 of 2114 🔗

All it would take is mass non-compliance. Anything might trigger this. Recall Rosa Parks’ act of defiance: refusing to comply with a rule on a bus, which inspired a movement.

372639 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1254 of 2114 🔗

I think all students marching on the capital like the Vietnam War might be a starting point but they’re too busy on instagram.

372960 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Achilles, 2, #1255 of 2114 🔗

Agreed. Far too much choice in the way of gadgets to occupy their minds now. The apathy really gets me down.

372657 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to mattghg, 2, #1256 of 2114 🔗

I envision us all ending up in the gulag at the some point. I’m hopeful, but hesitant to ignore the implications of where this may be going.

372678 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mattghg, 3, #1257 of 2114 🔗

100 days from Jan 20th. All to make Biden look like a saviour and to help the economy recover (if it can). The UK will hold out for a bit longer but do the same thing. I suspect masks will go but testing won’t. Makes far too much money for those in the know.

Mange tout, Rodney, mange tout.

372702 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mhcp, 1, #1258 of 2114 🔗

100 days from Jan 20th is 30 April. I guess that ties in with the prediction that restrictions will be “needed” until May, which I heard made by one of these sociopathic “scientists” (I forget which) the legacy media goes to for comment the other day.

372897 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to mattghg, 1, #1259 of 2114 🔗

They’re all following the same plan but we don’t have to

373146 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to mattghg, #1260 of 2114 🔗

I’m hopeful that more of the sheep will start to wake up when the vaccines are rolled out and we are still locked up. Whether there will be enough and whether the government will take any notice is another matter.

372576 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 26, #1261 of 2114 🔗

Prompted by a comment here the other day, I decided to look up the typical level of footfall in UK supermarkets. Looking at Morrison’s, figures from a couple of years ago showed that each of their near 500 supermarkets experienced around 24,000 weekly visitors on average. That means around 12 million weekly visits across the chain. And they’re the fourth largest chain in the country.

Does the scale of the interactions and human contact necessary for people to just eat not render the concept of national lockdown, test and trace and the whole shooting match a complete and utter nonsense?

372583 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1262 of 2114 🔗

A good piece of empirical evidence which may explain WHY lockdowns don’t work

372589 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #1264 of 2114 🔗

Yes, and don’t forget the studies of supermarket frontline workers, both in Ireland and US, showing no prevalence of Covid in those groups, compared to the broader population (ref. Ivor Cummins)

372624 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1265 of 2114 🔗

Nonsense? Yes – but not if seen as a deliberate leverage for the ongoing degradation of populations restructured to serve as global slave class labour markets at best. Do you want to know the worst?

Narratives given ‘political’ priority are pushed no matter what and against all other rights or needs or indeed common sense. The idea of mind control used to seem fanciful, but has many active aspects, one of which is the insertion of ‘threat-memes’ by which to gain traction of support, funding and regulatory enforcements under guise of ‘solutions’.

That most live in these false solutions’ as their ‘normal’ presumption of reality, they are already significantly invested in the framework from which such ideas are developed.
IE: The official narrative beliefs in viruses as the pathogenic causes of disease is both a source of extraordinary corporate funding and political influence, as to operate as a protected and invested identity, against empirical challenge, and thus as a mainstreamed ‘reality’ – that rides upon underlying fears set in reaction – and also likewise protected against disclosure. That much of the toxic exposure is cause by the same interests that then charge for – and take charge of – treatment – is an indication to a captive mindshare or not just revenue stream, but as active demand for being serviced and protection of the narrative against challenge.

372632 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1266 of 2114 🔗

Thank you for digging out that data Jo Starlin, very useful.

372655 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, #1267 of 2114 🔗

You’re welcome.

372670 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1268 of 2114 🔗

One consequences of closing shops is that supermarkets get more trade than normal eg people using supermarkets to buy clothes if clothes shops close.

372688 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ianric, 1, #1269 of 2114 🔗

True. The figures I quoted are from a couple of years back. They may well have risen since.

374043 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Jo Starlin, #1270 of 2114 🔗

This is probably why Wuhan (and perhaps Melbourne: don’t know the full details) didn’t even allow people to leave for grocery shopping and instead had the government deliver food to people’s homes.

The problem with that though is that it cannot possibly be done for an entire country, as the manpower requirements would become prohibitive.

372581 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 3, #1271 of 2114 🔗

2020 England If flattened out there have been about 2 extra funerals per week in a population of 100,000 compared to the five year average. Just thinking aloud based on:

Between 1 January and 31 December 2020, 550,238 deaths occurred in England (and were registered by 9 January 2021). This was 50,882 more deaths than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for January to December (10.2% higher). Of the 550,238 deaths that occurred, 12.9% were due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) (71,110 deaths).

372628 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steeve, 6, #1272 of 2114 🔗

and how many ‘excess deaths’ were people dying to due being imprisoned at home, unable or too fearful to try the NHS ?

372648 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to FerdIII, #1273 of 2114 🔗

I compare the situation to blood. Most of us have no problems but it doesn’t take much for a clot to form or blood to become too thin!

372755 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FerdIII, 1, #1274 of 2114 🔗

Well I know of 2 personally, but don’t know of a single person with even a sniffle from bat flu.

372609 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #1275 of 2114 🔗

Devastating judge ruling

Translation via google.

A district judge in Weimar acquitted a man who was to be sentenced to a fine for violating the ban on corona contact by celebrating his birthday with at least seven other participants from a total of eight households, six guests too many after the Thuringian Corona Regulation. The judge’s judgment is devastating : The Corona Ordinance is unconstitutional and objectionable in terms of substantive law.

Read on ..

https://2020news.de/amtsrichter-in-weimar-corona-vo-verfassungswidrig/

372663 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 6, #1276 of 2114 🔗

Machine translation :

A district judge in Weimar acquitted a man who was to be sentenced to a fine for violating the ban on corona contact by celebrating his birthday with at least seven other participants from a total of eight households, six guests too many after the Thuringian Corona Regulation. The judge’s judgment is devastating: The Corona Ordinance is unconstitutional and objectionable in terms of substantive law.

For the first time, a judge dealt intensively with the medical facts, the economic consequences and the effects of the specific policy.

Part of the rule of law is the requirement of the definiteness of laws. Laws may not simply make blanket orders and thus encourage an interpretation by the authorities according to taste and thus arbitrariness. According to the Infection Protection Act, the “competent authority takes the necessary protective measures”. In normal operation, this means that excretors or persons suspected of excretion can be isolated or contaminated premises can be closed.

The Infection Protection Act does not provide for a general ban on contact that also applies to healthy people. However, so far it has been argued by many administrative courts, exceeding the regulatory circle of the infection protection law beyond the normal course can be justified if it is an “unprecedented event” that is so new that the legislature is unable to provide the necessary regulations beforehand could meet.

The judge does not accept this excuse: As early as 2013, the Bundestag was presented with a risk analysis of a pandemic caused by a “Virus Modi-SARS” in cooperation with the Robert Koch Institute, in which a scenario of 7.5 million (!) Deaths in Germany over a period of three years were described and anti-epidemic measures in such a pandemic were discussed (Bundestag printed paper 17/12051). The legislature could therefore have checked the regulations of the Infection Protection Act with regard to such an event, which was considered at least to be “conditionally probable” (probability of occurrence class C) and, if necessary, adjusted it. This political failure, as a result of which Germany ran into the epidemic practically unprepared – without legal precautions to combat it, without stocks of masks, protective clothing and medical equipment, could not mean that politicians could close any regulatory loophole at their own discretion.

In particular, since an epidemic situation, i.e. the basis for the expansion of the tried and tested infection protection regulations, does not exist (any longer). The numbers of infected and sick people had already fallen in the spring, so the lockdown came too late and was generally ineffective.

A concrete risk of overloading the health system through a “wave” of COVID-19 patients at no point. As can be seen from the DIVI intensive care registry, which was newly established on March 17th, 2020, at least 40% of the intensive care beds in Germany were continuously free in March and April. In Thuringia, 378 intensive care beds were reported as occupied on April 3rd, 2020, 36 of them with COVID-19 patients. There were 417 (!) Free beds. On April 16, 2020, two days before the ordinance was issued, 501 intensive care beds were reported as occupied, 56 of them with COVID-19 patients. This compared to 528 (!) Free beds … The maximum number of reported COVID-19 patients in Thuringia was 63 in spring (April 28th), the number of COVID-19 patients was never in a range where an overload of the health system would have been feared.

This assessment of the actual dangers posed by COVID-19 in spring 2020 is confirmed by an evaluation of billing data from 421 clinics of the Quality Medicine Initiative, which came to the conclusion that the number of SARI cases treated in Germany in the first half of 2020 (SARI = severe acute respiratory infection) with a total of 187,174 cases was even lower than in the first half of 2019 (221,841 cases), although this also included COVID-related SARI cases. According to this analysis, the number of intensive care cases and ventilation cases was also lower in the first half of 2020 than in 2019.

The death statistics paint a similar picture. According to a special evaluation by the Federal Statistical Office, 484,429 people died in Germany in the first half of 2020, 479,415 in the first half of 2019, 501,391 in 2018, 488,147 in 2017 and 461,055 in 2016. In both 2017 and 2018 there were more deaths in the first half of the year than in 2020.

The horror prognoses, which significantly influenced the decision about the lockdown in the spring, … were also based on misconceptions about the lethality of the virus (so-called infection fatality rate = IFR) and about egg

372671 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #1277 of 2114 🔗

Well – helpful to know that constitutional protection of rights still has some credibility in some jurisdictions.

Will the BBC report it? 🙂

372614 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 28, #1278 of 2114 🔗

Belarus has resisted the lockdown mania, even to the extent of refusing to accept a bribe from the IMF (the IMF claims it withdrew an offer of a loan because of Belarus’ inadequate response to the virus).

According to the official coronavirus narrative, this failure to introduce lockdowns, impose social distancing and face masks, should have resulted in the Belarusians dropping like figurative flies. But they haven’t. On the contrary, they are suffering from the virus far less than the people of the lockdown lands. The difference is so substantial and significant that the western elite have tried to pretend Belarus does not exist, and when they have to acknowledge its existence they resort to the claim that its figures are falsified.

The charge of falsification of coronavirus statistical information sounds like nothing so much as projection.

372618 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1279 of 2114 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22v2TCbLdNg

New Year’s Eve Ball – host President Lukaschenko – in Minsk.

372625 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rockoman, 9, #1280 of 2114 🔗

It’s beautiful to see the young ‘uns living life. How precious a thing, how carelessly we have thrown it away, how grateful I am for the lesson.

372642 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #1281 of 2114 🔗

Was just thinking exactly the same. Healthy, beautiful young people enjoying themselves, maybe starting relationships that will last a lifetime. The world as it should be.

372645 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #1282 of 2114 🔗

The world that is worth fighting for. And dying for.

372653 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1283 of 2114 🔗

Amen!

372621 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1284 of 2114 🔗

Ivor Cummins reporting that the WHO have removed yesterday’s PCR bulletin. I certainly can’t access it. WTF is this all about? I confess that although I assumed that the new advice would be ignored, its very existence was giving me a sliver of hope…

372629 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1285 of 2114 🔗

Presumably the same and only reason they changed their advice on masks…political pressure.

372637 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 5, #1286 of 2114 🔗

Who applied the political pressure to get the World Health Organisation to reverse its position of face masks?

372644 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1287 of 2114 🔗

That is the question.

372654 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1288 of 2114 🔗

I initially thought Bill Gates/GAVI but frankly it could have been any country or all of them. Masks have been essential to keep the Potemkin Pandemic going.

372658 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1289 of 2114 🔗

The problem for the WHO is that this sort of dodgy dealing then brings down its whole house as a credible reference point.

372661 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1290 of 2114 🔗

You just have to look at how they’re funded.

http://open.who.int/2020-21/contributors/contributor

372662 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1291 of 2114 🔗

I believe vaccine companies and a lobbying group called something like ‘masks for all’.A

372665 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1292 of 2114 🔗

masks4all is an initiative of the World Economic Forum.

372635 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1293 of 2114 🔗

I sent a link to it to someone yesterday.

This is information notice 2020/05 version 2 he’s talking about right? The link still works for me. Or is there another bulletin that I haven’t read?

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

(Don’t know how to make that a hyperlink on my phone)

EDIT – the magic of the internet made it a hyperlink for me!

372643 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #1294 of 2114 🔗

That works! Phew. Thanks. Apologies for the fake news. Look like the old link is now redundant, but it’s still there. I need to avoid jumping at shadows.

372682 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1295 of 2114 🔗

No I don’t blame you for thinking they’d removed it. As Rick says further down, the credibility of these institutions has sunk so low that it wouldn’t be surprising if they did.

372739 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Charlie Blue, #1296 of 2114 🔗

I need to avoid jumping at shadows

When you have learned the technique, any chance you can teach it to Piffle and Sage?

372646 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1297 of 2114 🔗

WTF is this all about?”

Well – partly more proof that the agenda is definitely not about science or any other reasoned truth.

Money, Power and Influence – perhaps. But not Truth.

372656 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #1298 of 2114 🔗

Noted that it can still be found – but that shows how this shit-show has undermined credibility.

373394 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Charlie Blue, #1301 of 2114 🔗

Did someone jab Tedros with a truth serum?

372630 Basics, replying to Basics, 17, #1302 of 2114 🔗

Apparently Docs and Nurses are loosing trust in the politics of vaccines! Herald Scoland:

“THE pandemic has reinforced a belief amongst NHS staff that they should be willing to “sacrifice their own health for a salary”, a consultant working on the front line of Covid care has said.

The doctor said the decision to delay the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine coupled with insubstantial testing and PPE meant that a lot of NHS staff had “lost confidence” in public health strategy around the virus.”

Paywall, no link.

Good to see unpleasant times happening between the policy makers and their ilk. Do No Harm.

372731 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 2, #1303 of 2114 🔗

They should all send letters of complaint to Devi. She’ll burst with indignation.

372640 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1304 of 2114 🔗

Nancy Pelosi thinks she’s Empress of the United States of America.

372651 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1305 of 2114 🔗

It’s worth reading “Cult City” by Daniel Flynn to see just how crazy the San Francisco Democrats are. They absolutely idolised Jim Jones and then pretended they’d never heard of him after Jonestown.

373392 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Starlin, #1306 of 2114 🔗

Ya gotta be kidding me.

373393 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1307 of 2114 🔗
373391 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1308 of 2114 🔗

Biden’s the Grim Reaper.

372672 Will, replying to Will, 16, #1309 of 2114 🔗

I see Ferguson is now saying the “new variant” is 30% more deadly, on the same day proper research shows it is actually only 6% (4-9%) more transmissible. I am sure that it is complete bollocks but, if it is true, then we have got to make it clear that it is lockdown that has caused it to become more aggressive just as John Lee argued.

372674 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Will, 3, #1310 of 2114 🔗

They should be able to come up with a new variant per week! To please the clown!

372721 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheClone, 2, #1311 of 2114 🔗

They should name them like storms; even weeks it’s a boy’s name, odd weeks a girl’s.

372677 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 2, #1312 of 2114 🔗

Boris stood under a tree in florecent jacket just yesterday and stated categorically it is no more deadly tgat the previous versions.

Niether her no fergusson arre experts. Both appear to be confident to speak their opinion as fact to 70 million people. Good for them. Did blair put fergusson up to it?

372685 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Will, 3, #1313 of 2114 🔗

NO – he said it might be – Quoted: “Prof Ferguson said: “It is a realistic possibility that the new UK variant increases the risk of death, but there is considerable remaining uncertainty.”
The professor said the 1.3-fold increased risk came from studies run by Imperial College London, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Public Health England and Exeter University.”
———————————————————————————————–
So its’ based on his highly reliable models.

372689 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to godowneasy, -3, #1314 of 2114 🔗

No it’s based on analysis of case-control data for people with new variant and wild type who went on to die.

372719 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to djaustin, 3, #1315 of 2114 🔗

And did they adjust for age, number of co-morbidities, location, socioeconomic groupings, weight, ethnicity etc. between the wild type deaths and the new variant type deaths? From his wording it all sounds a bit inconclusive.

372695 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1316 of 2114 🔗

“Might”, “could”, “possibly”, “potentially” – the only language Ferguson speaks. Tell you what Neil, if you’re not sure about something why don’t you just wind your neck in, stop talking to the press and go back to masturbating over your models instead of ruining our lives?

372708 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1317 of 2114 🔗

So let’s not scare people then unnecessarily no?

372673 PatrickF, 6, #1318 of 2114 🔗

My sister in law is a 57 year old Social Worker, placing children with foster parents. She has worked from home since March 2020.
Yesterday, she received a Covid vaccine.

372681 wendy, replying to wendy, 3, #1319 of 2114 🔗

https://www.covidfaq.co

David Paton has drawn attention to this website set up by Sam Bowman, Neil O’Brien and others. It seems a nasty site aimed at having a go at journalists and scientists raising questions about Lockdowns. Sunetra Gupta, Carl Heneghan, Mike Yeadon, Toby, and others getting a hard time.

Has anyone else seen it? Any thoughts? Neil O’Brien seems to be a nasty piece of work. I don’t have a feeling of trust about him at all.

Hope the link works

372692 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 1, #1320 of 2114 🔗

Note the following : “This website is a joint project by Stuart Ritchie, Mike Bird, Neil O’Brien MP …. [etc.]

How to fuck your credibility without really trying 🙂

372698 ▶▶ isobar, replying to wendy, 5, #1321 of 2114 🔗

Have been trying to understand this and just in case you missed it I posted this around an hour ago: I have spent my lockdown time today trying to get my head around why anyone should seek to set up a website to personally attack those, who I, and I am sure many fellow travellers would see, as being flag bearers of truth and reason in the situation we find ourselves in. My theory, for what it’s worth, is that this might be a deliberate attempt to sully their personal reputations in advance of them possibly being called as ‘expert witnesses’ in either a public enquiry or legal proceedings against the government.

372744 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to isobar, #1322 of 2114 🔗

It seems an all out attempt to do something nasty. And why just these people. There are lots of others who have spoken out, Dr John Lee, Lord Sumption spring to mind. I think there has been a real go at Scott Atlas by others also. Perhaps the people setting up the website are not of much standing or weight anyway?

372855 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to wendy, #1323 of 2114 🔗

Definitely something nasty and for a considered reason or they wouldn’t do it. Apart from O’Brien, who has been a government shrill from the start in supporting lockdowns, except when they are in his own constituency, I don’t know the others involved. They will go for the scientists and commentators first but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t add the other non-conformists later. An ugly development all round.

372713 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to wendy, 1, #1324 of 2114 🔗

Their email address: covidfaq.contact@gmail.com

My email to them.

Header: Science

Where is it on your website?

Q; who’s fact checking, the fact checking fact checkers?
A; Idiots (if your website is anything to go by.

Go on indulge yourself send em a polite message.

372730 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to wendy, #1325 of 2114 🔗

Mr. O’Brien is really living up to his namesake in Orwell’s 1984.

372686 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1326 of 2114 🔗

Lockdown sceptics fate?

The Ten Stages of our Genocide – Henna Maria
Happened across this, I don’t know who this lady is, I can’t vouch for her credentials or sanity, it is just her opinion, but she talks a lot of sense, if you ask me.

372723 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, #1327 of 2114 🔗

I didn’t watch it, but the ten stages of genocide are documented here:

https://www.genocidewatch.com/

This has been happening all over the world – South Africa being one example.

372902 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Anti_socialist, #1328 of 2114 🔗

Yes she did an excellent video a while back on the sheer lunacy of the concept of asymptomatic transmission. She called it a fundamental shift in our consciousness. That we cannot trust our own biology. We cannot know if we are healthy. In effect a curse on our humanity….

373032 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ken Gardner, #1329 of 2114 🔗

I see she has a Utube channel Henna Maria probably not for much longer, she makes to much sense & that’s dangerous for them..

372693 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1330 of 2114 🔗

T cells immunity the best?

This newly published article from world leading Singapore clearly shows that T-cells response early gives mild infection but antibodies in hyperproduction to a bad outcome. Could explain elderly with worse T cells immunity succumbing to C-19. But what happens with vaccines producing antibodies?

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)00041-3?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email


Early induction of functional SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells associates with rapid viral clearance and mild disease in COVID-19 patients

“While rapid induction and quantity of humoral responses associates with an increase in disease severity, early induction of IFN-γ secreting SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells is present in patients with mild disease and accelerated viral clearance. These findings provide support for the prognostic value of early functional SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells with important implications in vaccine design and immune monitoring.”
“Our data  reveal a direct association between early induction of functional SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells  and rapid control of viral infection.”

372705 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1331 of 2114 🔗

This was my concern. Inflammation in the acute phase is good but leads to tissue damage if not stopped.

372697 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #1332 of 2114 🔗

It’s Friday, it’s five o’clock and it’s Crackerjack with Boris, Chris and Patrick.

372703 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to p02099003, 4, #1333 of 2114 🔗

Ooh I could crush a grape

372709 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1334 of 2114 🔗

I was actually thinking of Eamonn Andrews, Leslie Crowther and Peter Glaze (shows my age) version.

372736 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to p02099003, 1, #1335 of 2114 🔗

once you’ve seen Peter Glaze singing status quo its never to be forgotten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QCHRDx2jY

372706 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to p02099003, 2, #1336 of 2114 🔗

‘I could crush a grape’

372845 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 2, #1337 of 2114 🔗

or rip a tissue
or jump off a doll’s house
or wrestle an action man
any others?

372700 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1338 of 2114 🔗

665,330 tests yesterday. 4,642,410 in the last week.

Not a fucking chance!

That is all. Thank you.

372722 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1339 of 2114 🔗

Au contraire, if a Tory is making a profit from each test its entirely feasible.

372766 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Anti_socialist, -1, #1340 of 2114 🔗

E’s not a Tory, he’s Blue Labour Uniparty

372860 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1341 of 2114 🔗

I passed my local testing centre twice today. Completely empty on both occasions, except for staff in yellow vests sitting idly in their cars checking phones…

372942 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1342 of 2114 🔗

The private companies get paid for each report not necessarily a test. This is colossal scale money laundering and grift

372701 Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 1, #1343 of 2114 🔗

Not sure if this has been shared before. Hancock on variants:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4fwbv0yll1x36q/Video%202021-01-21%20at%2011.42.00.mp4?dl=0

Are you sure that isn’t a reissue of a Monty Python sketch. he sounds as knowledge3able as a two year is on anything at all. He is a complete imbecile.

372842 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to iansn, #1345 of 2114 🔗

It was mentioned in the questions. Been circulating on travel agents social media for a few days.

interesting … i dont think we are supposed to see that . phrases like “we dont want the public to know that the vaccine doesnt work well on the south african variant ” probably wont instill confidence

372852 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to mj, #1347 of 2114 🔗

Of particular interest was the final comment, the one we aren’t aware of yet. Carte Blanche for eternal lockdowns.

372704 rose, replying to rose, 10, #1348 of 2114 🔗

A lady I worked was given till Xmas to live (cancer) she fell out of bed in the new year, got taken to hospital, given covid, died. Now a Covid statistic

372734 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rose, 3, #1349 of 2114 🔗

That’s sad.

I’m sorry your colleague was exploited to propagate more fear.

372707 iansn, replying to iansn, 21, #1350 of 2114 🔗

The new variant of coronavirus discovered in Kent is up to 30 per cent more deadly than the original, Boris Johnson will announce later today.
Prof Neil Ferguson, who sits on Nervtag, the Government’s virus advisory committee, said the latest data showed up to 13 in 1000 people aged 60 who contract the variant strain could die, compared with 10 in 1000 who caught the original variant.
Boris Johnson is expected to address the latest findings in a Downing Street press conference at 5pm.
“It is a realistic possibility that the new UK variant increases the risk of death, but there is considerable remaining uncertainty,” Prof Ferguson told ITV.
“Four groups – Imperial, LSHTM, PHE and Exeter – have looked at the relationship between people testing positive for the variant vs old strains and the risk of death.”
The professor said the data available on the new variant is patchy, but there is a “signal” that there is a “1.3-fold increased risk of death”.
The new variant, which has now been reported across the UK and in several other countries, is also more transmissable.
Said the man who was responsible for the slaughter of millions of healthy cows and has been wrong with EVERY SINGLE prediction he has made. Why is anyone in government still listening to this idiot

372710 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to iansn, 6, #1351 of 2114 🔗

Clear from the slippery language that the Pig dePiffle is using that there is no evidence.

372711 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to iansn, 6, #1352 of 2114 🔗

More people dying couldn’t possibly be due to anything else of course.

372712 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to iansn, 1, #1353 of 2114 🔗

Best clown’s friend!

372714 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to iansn, 6, #1354 of 2114 🔗

It’s Friday, so the announcement of some new, made up scary bullshit to increase compliance is to be expected. That’s what they tend to do on Fridays.

372718 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #1355 of 2114 🔗

I would like to see wallace a bit dead!

372720 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to iansn, 1, #1356 of 2114 🔗

Its called winter!

372775 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to tony rattray, 2, #1357 of 2114 🔗

Indeed. Maybe they should just have a look at the numbers in relation to average temperatures. They might be surprised by the results.

372805 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to iansn, 1, #1358 of 2114 🔗

So I’m guessing that they are doing – or about to do – a lot of vaccinating in Kent then? The announcement is to prepare people for a spike in deaths in that county…

372903 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Carrie, #1359 of 2114 🔗

My county. Lucky I live next door to a Spire Hospital and a Care Home! I’m ready for the grim reaper!

373095 ▶▶ davews, replying to iansn, 1, #1360 of 2114 🔗

30 percent sounds more scarier than 1.3 fold – and there is probably a 50% uncertainty in the figures….

373512 ▶▶ Covidonian, replying to iansn, 1, #1361 of 2114 🔗

The histrionic ITV report highlighted it but a later report by their anxiety ridden “science” correspondent inadvertently undermined it by explaining it was based on a tiny sample of infections.

372716 alw, 2, #1362 of 2114 🔗

Having not responded to the first two texts I received inviting me to book an appointment for the vaccine I have just received this. Run out of vaccine methinks.

“Dear Mrs

Your invite for your COVID-19 vaccinations has been cancelled by your practice.

You will receive another text with a new invite to book your appointments in.

Thanks,
Medical Centre”

372717 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1363 of 2114 🔗

One here from a few days ago.

“Fury as accountancy firm handed £2m to act as ‘consultants’ on covid vaccination programme
The taxpayers’ money was awarded to KPMG in September – three months before the first jab was available.”

“Contract documents reveal the multi-national firm secured the deal without any other bids being considered.

“The job description states it is for “extended flu and Covid vaccination programme management and advisory services”.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/fury-accountancy-firm-handed-over-23332232

Please bear in mind that the reason sturgeon is not holding a public inquiry into the carehome deaths in Spring is because she says she will not take civil servants away from managing the ongoing pandemic.

Just how busy are they if they cannot run a tender process in 9 months? Does the NHS Military academia not have a skillset to advise. Aren’t kpmg consultants ex military nhs academics in any case?

372724 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 1, #1364 of 2114 🔗

Youd think Devi would be able to advise her 😉

372725 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #1365 of 2114 🔗

The psuedo-scientists are using caveats galore in this mis-information conference. They are making it up completely and their language is clearly trying to avoid future blame.

372727 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1366 of 2114 🔗

Lies, lies and gibberish! These are called experts?? Really!

372753 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #1367 of 2114 🔗

Um… err… we think… we don’t know… we’re not entirely sure… we think… but we do know that you’re all going to die… we think, but we’re not quite sure.

372873 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1368 of 2114 🔗

We nuked China, but we’re not sure.

372922 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1369 of 2114 🔗

Dis information. It is Deliberate.

373011 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Basics, 1, #1370 of 2114 🔗

Yes, you are of course correct, but with hindsight I should have used the meeja templates that I’ve learnt from the BBC election coverage….

“The psuedo-scientists repeated baseless claims without providing evidence.”

Better?

373065 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1371 of 2114 🔗

Perfect

372726 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1372 of 2114 🔗

I managed a whole 2 minutes of the fat twat; couldn’t watch any more of his fibs.

New variant is more dealy according to his chums.

Oh, and the 1400 deaths reported today go back 3 weeks.

372733 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1373 of 2114 🔗

He really looks stupider by the day! and wallace is trying his best not to come second!

372728 swedenborg, 2, #1374 of 2114 🔗

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1352646579354791937

Kevin McKernan acerbic comment on UK PH Labs.It is about the declining trend of the new variant in the UK.

“The UK scariant. Perhaps a lesson in stochastic oscillators. And the fact that some reckless UK labs published bollocks regarding increased viral Ct values without having any internal controls.

Another intelligent question from Haimes: How can the new variant be declining when other variants are growing, if the new variant is far more infectious?

PS Hancock has another card. The variant is more deadly according to breaking news the Sun.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1352656952548073476

372729 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 17, #1375 of 2114 🔗

Flicking through the tv channels as BBC showing the press conference started. So I thought lets have a listen.

Maybe. Perhaps, We are not sure. We need to study this further.

Why hold a press conference just to say: We don’t know, but here are some theories to scare you.

372743 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 14, #1376 of 2114 🔗

Why hold a press conference just to say: We don’t know, but here are some theories to scare you.

To scare you.

372750 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1377 of 2114 🔗

Yes – what level of fear and demoralisation will they be happy with – or are there no limits?

372765 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1378 of 2114 🔗

we have no idea what is happening .. here are a few theories .. actually they are worst case scenarios because we really want to scare the shit out of you as we have now realised that is the only thing the public respond to

372844 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Silke David, 3, #1379 of 2114 🔗

I wish they would all take a running jump off the nearest cliff. I can’t be alone in my dark thoughts about this bunch of killer misfits.

372907 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #1380 of 2114 🔗

You are definitely not alone in those thoughts.

372737 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #1381 of 2114 🔗

Sir Patrick Vallance says there are currently three coronavirus variants of concern, including the one first identified in Kent.
He says there is confidence that this Kent variant is spreading more easily than the old variant in the UK. “We don’t yet understand why that is the case,” he says.
It doesn’t target any particular age group – “it can affect anyone of any age,” he adds.
And on mortality – he says that, in hospitals, the outcomes look the same between the original variant and the new variant.
He says other data from those who test positive with the new variant suggests greater mortality – but stresses that these data are currently uncertain.
He says that – for example – early evidence suggests the difference is between 10 deaths in 1,000 infected with the earlier variant to 13 or 14 in 1,000 infected with the new variant.

372748 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to p02099003, 4, #1382 of 2114 🔗

What Vallance said made no sense to me, and I can’t stomach a replay. They all seem to have zero confidence in what they are saying. Normally they are confident in their bullshit but today they are tiptoeing. Fearing the potential Nuremberg 2 trials?

372754 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to p02099003, 7, #1383 of 2114 🔗

Why isn’t he concerned about the other 7852 variants found so far?

372771 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1384 of 2114 🔗

Fraser Nelson in his Telegraph piece (linked above the line) says, “Also, there have been some 20,000 mutations of Covid”.

372762 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to p02099003, 4, #1385 of 2114 🔗

I think we would get more sense out of Mystic Meg,why on earth do they bother with these daily briefings.

372904 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to liztr835, 2, #1386 of 2114 🔗

Some folk are unable to live their lives now without waiting for further instruction from their masters.

372772 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 3, #1387 of 2114 🔗

IFR of 1% or greater? Utter bollocks.

372892 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 3, #1388 of 2114 🔗

Basically Ferguson’s assertion based on limited data with high uncertainty. And no common sense.

372851 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 5, #1389 of 2114 🔗

That wanker never says anything definite other than restrictions are needed forever

Everything else is vague waffle

SAGE have learnt fuck all of use about covid in almost a year

372914 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 1, #1390 of 2114 🔗

SAGE have learnt fuck all of use about covid in almost a year

– what a strong point. What have they learned? They’ve neither said nor changed tactic.

Obviously there are not going to actually learn or modify because the direction is one way, away from freedom. Never-the-less their learning is something even the gutter press (all press) can get a handle on and psuedo question.

372891 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, #1391 of 2114 🔗

Are we to do hushed murmuring at the mention of Kent? I really see it has no baring on much other that it psychologically localises the old variant game. It could be our county! I was in Kent once, etc.

Same tactic as the hourly roll call of deaths in early summer where they wanted to increase personal levels of threat so names the dead. As an example – Tam Cockhan, a charlatan from Swamp Bottom left a puppy and a happy cat.

373022 ▶▶ TC, replying to p02099003, 2, #1392 of 2114 🔗

They should show their evidence rather than just rabbiting on in the way they do.
I doubt there is any evidence at all.
That time at Halloween they brought out their graphs and have learned from that experience because within 48 hours they had their arses handed to them.
The difficulty , as others have alrady mentioned, is the fearmongering of the news providers who select what they show (distraught covid sufferers) rather than even a half hearted attempt to question or challenge this rubbish being churned out.
Is Andrew Neil going to do anything different?
Sorry for the rant but I’m waiting for my dinner!

372738 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1393 of 2114 🔗

1,401 deaths* reported. When did they die*?

Looks like somebody cocked up the numbers on 8th and 9th of January.

*Usual caveat: deaths within 28 days of a positive test (most likely PCR). Death not necessarily from Covid.

372747 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1394 of 2114 🔗

They are just throwing numbers because nobody is questioning them!

372758 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheClone, 2, #1395 of 2114 🔗

Yes!

372751 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1396 of 2114 🔗

They’ve omitted to add a section for deaths within 28 days of having a vaccination for some reason.

372756 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1397 of 2114 🔗

I can do that for you. 😉

372773 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Ceriain, #1398 of 2114 🔗

Can you please explain

372786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Puddleglum59, 2, #1399 of 2114 🔗

It’s not real, it’s a joke, mate. I made it ages ago.

372795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1400 of 2114 🔗

I’m with you but was trying to reconcile the figures. Wonder how high the real figures are. Guess we’ll never know!

372962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Puddleglum59, 1, #1401 of 2114 🔗

Oh right. Sorry, I misread the meaning of your post. My bad, as I believe they say. 😉

As for the vaccine adverse reaction (or death) numbers: not sure if we’ll never know, but I don’t think it’s something they want to be public knowledge at the moment.

372769 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1402 of 2114 🔗

What’s the total deaths? That’s the only thing that matters. My wife was in conversation with a mortician at the hospital where she works this week, and she said the mortuary was no busier at the moment than it is in any other year.

372781 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #1403 of 2114 🔗

My wife was in conversation with a mortician at the hospital where she works this week, and she said the mortuary was no busier at the moment than it is in any other year.

Yet we get crap in the Press about temporary morgues all over the place.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/temporary-london-mortuary-bodies-coronavirus-impact-b899812.html
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/19025875.covid-new-temporary-mortuary-essex-open-chelmsford/
https://www.hampshirelive.news/news/hampshire-news/hampshire-temporary-mortuary-basingstoke-open-4903840

372791 ▶▶▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1404 of 2114 🔗

There’s temporary morgues opened in January every year.

372894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1405 of 2114 🔗

There’s definitely always extra space at my local hospital. I used to work at a funeral home and regularly went with the private ambulance driver to collect the deceased.

372929 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1406 of 2114 🔗

First cases of sadliundied, since Jesus came down off the cross.

372742 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 12, #1407 of 2114 🔗

With this clown, whitty and valance these lockdowns will never end! They are really too stupid to get! Today was my first time watching this trio of bonkers!

372839 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 4, #1408 of 2114 🔗

Couldn’t stomach more than 5 minutes.Could,possibly,maybe what a load of bollox.How do supposedly intelligent people swallow this rubbish?

373166 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1409 of 2114 🔗

I wish I could last that long. Within a few seconds I am ready to smash someone’s face in.

372745 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 26, #1410 of 2114 🔗

Phew, what a day. But, Uttlesford District Council take a bow. Here are the signs they put on the benches in the park just beyond my shop. Weird though, that the same signs have not been put on benches anywhere else in the town.

Was fully expecting a visit from the rozzers but, despite threats, they didn’t show (probably happen tomorrow). The good news is that no-one is taking any notice of the signs. And the other good news is that we had a nicer end to the day because we spent a very convivial few hours with a fellow sceptic (J, hope you got home OK!).

372760 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 7, #1411 of 2114 🔗

Looks like a job for Bruce! I’ve still no idea what essential seating entails. Tying shoe laces maybe?

372770 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to leggy, 7, #1412 of 2114 🔗

Sitting down drinking coffee works for me!

372782 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 15, #1413 of 2114 🔗

Indeed.

Well, according to the council functionary who was overseeing the bloke attaching the signs (she was asked by one of our customers what was going on!), they are to prioritise the use of seating for the elderly. Yeah, cause in late January when it’s freezing cold there are hoards of elderly people wandering around trying to find somewhere to sit.

372970 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 1, #1414 of 2114 🔗

Just wondering how you felt about this kh. Earlier it seemed to me that the town council wanted you to personally act as its unpaid police force and hand out fines to people sitting near your shop. That threat has now receded and it is at least one thing that you can’t be blamed for. Does that make things any easier for you?

I really hope so.

372957 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 1, #1415 of 2114 🔗

Bareface is the new black. Sunflowers at the back of the bus. Only muzzleoids can sit on ‘essential seating’. Can we apply for associate membership to BLM – we might get more results?

372776 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 4, #1416 of 2114 🔗

they dont look very robust

372784 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 13, #1417 of 2114 🔗

It’s hard to believe that we have not shifted slightly into a parallel dimension when a council can put up such a sign,what is their definition of essential seating ?,are we are safe from the rona if we really,really need a sit down but if we dare to whip out an iced bun and eat it I assume death becomes certain ?.
Pure,pathetic,vindictive,petty,puerile bollocks,aimed squarely at you Kh,how low this country has fallen within a year.

372799 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #1418 of 2114 🔗

I know. I got really annoyed with the woman and asked her if she was proud of what she was doing to society. Of course she had no answer and stropped off.

372789 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 7, #1419 of 2114 🔗

WTF is “essential” seating?

Kim, have you asked a lawyer for advice about whether these actions, clearly aimed at you, amount to harrassment?

372861 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1420 of 2114 🔗

I’m seriously looking into it.

372952 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 2, #1421 of 2114 🔗

Thanks, good to know.

My experience (both personally and professionally) with council officials is that one letter is all it takes, and it all instantly stops.

372793 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #1422 of 2114 🔗

Here’s the bandstand sign which, when I left earlier, was being used by two young mothers with babies in prams!

372811 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #1423 of 2114 🔗

And another one which a customer alerted us to. How bloody bonkers.

372826 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to kh1485, 6, #1424 of 2114 🔗

Oh ffs!. I want to walk down there with my maskless face held high, hoping to pass a muzzled up zombie.

372865 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #1425 of 2114 🔗

Thinking of organising a flash mob!

372876 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #1426 of 2114 🔗

So do I.

373161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #1427 of 2114 🔗

I did that lol and the zombie coming the other way slid along the wall to avoid me and then screamed at me once she had passed. I told her to do one lol.

372837 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to kh1485, 8, #1428 of 2114 🔗

There is no mask in my narrow passage, honest, Guv!

373350 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to PatrickF, #1429 of 2114 🔗

naughty!

372862 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 7, #1430 of 2114 🔗

Pink… with an EU logo! Laughing from me.

373335 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, #1431 of 2114 🔗

The star-spangled sphincter! Very apt.

373083 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 3, #1432 of 2114 🔗

Yes, these signs take the p***s. A play area near us has two gates, special covid signs for entry and exit. What on earth difference does it make whether the little kids come out of one gate or the other.
Keep us informed KH!

373163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to davews, 1, #1433 of 2114 🔗

Its time to come out at night with the wire cutters!

373181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Boris Bullshit, #1434 of 2114 🔗

Actually in the first lockdown when all the play areas were closed they did it just with tie wraps on the gate handles. Those were soon cut, not by me. They came back later and fitted brass padlocks which must have cost a fortune.

373103 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 8, #1435 of 2114 🔗

Remember that guy in Oxford St? His work here is not yet done…

373271 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to kh1485, #1436 of 2114 🔗

Total Clown World.

372820 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 12, #1437 of 2114 🔗

Isn’t eating and drinking essential? Crap, have I been spending money on food and drink for no reason for all these years?

372849 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 2, #1438 of 2114 🔗

Relief for you. The sign is an admission of responsibility. If you have written correspondence accusing you of being responsible for the bench action. Keep it. You seem to be building a case of harassment.

372870 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to kh1485, 4, #1439 of 2114 🔗

If only you were nearer, I’d pay a visit. Smoke a spliff on the bench, or something.

372878 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to kh1485, 3, #1440 of 2114 🔗

Shouldn’t a rebate be in order when public benches and parks are not used? After all your council taxes pay for them

372893 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mhcp, 4, #1441 of 2114 🔗

Indeed. They’ve actually just billed us for a year’s usage of the area that we are not currently allowed to use! There seems to be a concerted effort to make life as difficult as possible for us. The good news is that our customers have been brilliant today and fully support us.

372946 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 4, #1442 of 2114 🔗

Keep at it KH, and whatever happens if they or the rozzers come inform them you are recording it all. You cannot stop people from going to sit down on the benches after they purchase food or drinks from you, they are autonomous human beings, who operate outside of your personal responsibility and authority.

373044 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 2, #1443 of 2114 🔗

get the scissors out in a few days time “not me guv!” or send Annie round as she’s good at getting rid of this type of government graffiti!

373045 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 3, #1444 of 2114 🔗

.

373072 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1445 of 2114 🔗

Brilliant!

373240 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #1446 of 2114 🔗

Absolute DICKS. Those rules need to be broken, every day. That sign need adjusting ASAP.
Poison. It must be so horrible for you dealing with this crap every day. I can’t even go into my town at all, I will probably end up getting arrested.

372759 Ken Garoo, 3, #1447 of 2114 🔗

“SAGE Should Not Even Exist”
If the majority of SAGE (and NERVTAG) members were supported via funding from vaccinators, would there be any surprise if their answer to everything turned out to be ‘more vaccines’?

Actually, NERVTAG is the real source of ‘the science’. SAGE asks NERVTAG to provide evidence to their questions. Ferguson was kicked out of SAGE but is still a member of NERVTAG.

372763 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1449 of 2114 🔗

And just like magic, indoor dining restrictions in the US state of Michigan are suddenly eased:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/22/gretchen-whitmer-eases-michigan-restaurant-restrictions-two-days-after-joe-biden-inauguration/

372825 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1450 of 2114 🔗

Restaurants are allowed to operate at 25% capacity.
Unless they are busy with that 25% all day long, and just for 2 hours, there is no point in opening. They will struggle anyway.

372833 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1451 of 2114 🔗

She’s been under severe pressure for months, and I believe is facing recall &/or potential impeachment efforts.

372871 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1452 of 2114 🔗

She’s repeatedly found ways to halt the impeachment and recall efforts via friendly judges.

She wriggles around the sanctions via emergency laws in the state constitution. The law from 1943 was struck down, but there is another law from the ’70s that permits rolling renewal of the state of emergency.

Currently, she is using the state health department to enforce her tyrannical edicts.

373175 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to awildgoose, #1453 of 2114 🔗

It’s quite common for criminals to know how to get around the law more than most.

372764 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 33, #1454 of 2114 🔗

Talking with a friend, 60s all masked up. Couldn’t hear what she was talking about so said, “You can take that thing off you know”. “Oh well I feel safer like this” she replied. So I pointed out she’d be wearing the thing for the rest of her life. She just slowly shrugged. We chatted about other things.
And I remembered the TV programme Doc Martin. In an early episode the Doc was talking to Mrs Tishall about the neck brace she wore constantly. “Have you ever taken it off?” he asked.
“Well,” she replied, “I did once but it didn’t seem right somehow.”
And that is how a great many people feel about their masks isn’t it?

372768 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to bluemoon, 15, #1455 of 2114 🔗

Many slaves love their chains.

372790 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1456 of 2114 🔗

Oi, I’ll have you know its the lucky white heather and lucky rabbits foot I got from that nice old travelling lady that keeps my family safe.
We bought 14, two for each of us, after all you can’t be too safe.

372780 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to bluemoon, 16, #1457 of 2114 🔗

Masks are an only-slightly-harmful placebo. Over time, they will also become the equivalent of Linus’ security blanket. As for me, I rely on the pet rock I bought after 911. I have not been affected by another 911 ever since. I had it upgraded to covid-compatible via a $100 firmware upgrade. Best $100 ever spent.

372838 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ken Garoo, 6, #1458 of 2114 🔗

They are worse than that. Your beliefs are reinforced when you act on them.
They force you to act on the belief that the virus is an intolerable threat by putting a mask on and you are much more likely to believe it.
If on top of that you take a vaccine, that’s it.

There isn’t anyone who is going to be able to convince someone who has been donning a mask for months and taken a vaccine that the whole thing was pointless.

No chance.

372792 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to bluemoon, 8, #1459 of 2114 🔗

It’s the same when you’ve had a broken bone with a cast on it… when the cast first comes off, you feel terribly vulnerable almost to the point of wanting them to put another cast on.

372808 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to bluemoon, 21, #1460 of 2114 🔗

This reminds me of when my son was small. He had an operation and was in a cast from his waist all the way down one leg and half the other. He had the contraption on for 12 weeks, bless him. They used to change it every few weeks and the last one he had could be removed by us, at bath times for instance. The first time I removed it he started crying and pointing at the cast which I had placed against the wall. The point being, he had got so used to having the thing on that he obviously felt lost without it. I apologise for my boring story, but it fit the bill in my mind and took me back to a worrying but darn sight better time than now. Bloody masks, I detest the things.

372777 happychappy, replying to happychappy, 25, #1461 of 2114 🔗

Watching the press conference, how strictly do they vet the questions? Ridiculous! Why doesn’t someone ask a question of real interest and validity, eg ‘How concerned are they about the effect of prolonged lockdown on the young, who are increasingly feeling more isolated and depressed about their education?’ These pathetic softball questions are utterly pointless and completely fail to address the real concerns of the population.

372798 ▶▶ l835, replying to happychappy, 5, #1462 of 2114 🔗

The questions must be submitted in advance, as on a couple of occasions went the link with the questioner was lost bojo has read the question off a screen or card. So I did other wurstions are indeed vetted, and only those which support the regime or ramp up the fear make it through.

372806 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to happychappy, 18, #1463 of 2114 🔗

Pure staged theatre.This is what a totalitarian state looks like

372814 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #1464 of 2114 🔗

Indeed. The fact people don’t see through the spin worries me greatly

372821 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #1465 of 2114 🔗

Who would have thought the British public was really this stupid.

372856 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stewart, 6, #1466 of 2114 🔗

Same in the US.

We should change our national animal to the jellyfish.

372919 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stewart, 6, #1467 of 2114 🔗

The first lockdown has had a tremendous impact on the psyche of the population.A mixture of brainwashing and hysteria has taken over people’s minds.They cannot reason or rationalise or even question the absurdity in front of them.

372779 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1468 of 2114 🔗

Future of Europe with the current morons in charge?

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1352656645092872194

 https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1352296828625186819

“Xi Jinping doesn’t care if you think his policies cruel. (He knows). He wants you to fear him and think his policies effective. These new “quarantine” camps remind collaborators and useful idiots everywhere that they’re an essential next step to an “effective” COVID response.
“China handles C-19 very differently from everybody else. After months of little disease and booming economy, the virus is back, especially in Shijizhuang. And massive complexes of mandatory quarantine centers are under construction.

372783 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1469 of 2114 🔗

Xitler is the real winner.

372815 ▶▶ stewart, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1470 of 2114 🔗

A friend in Beijing was called up and had to turn up at 10pm this evening with his whole family to be tested. No ifs, ands or buts.

That’s what zero-covid looks like.

372822 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1471 of 2114 🔗

The future is closer then you could even imagine!

372787 lost in inner space, replying to lost in inner space, 35, #1472 of 2114 🔗

Another day, another press conference with cherry picked data to ensure lockdown stays. No matter what the problem, lockdown is always the answer. Todays doom stat – the variant is up to 30% more deadly – what they haven’t shown you is the bottom of the confidence interval, which could show the new variant is less deadly. Ferguson has predicted deaths between 7k and 100k in some of his models, but only the top number ever reaches the news.

Its uncanny the timing of these announcements, which always coincide with rumours of civil unrest and protest, backbench rebellion and social media threads of people reaching their limits. Ferguson is the only scientist I’ve ever known who manages to find a new stat of doom in time for the evening news – remarkable indeed, when most researchers I know take months to complete their data analysis!

372801 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to lost in inner space, 8, #1473 of 2114 🔗

Why has no MP or reporter asked Health Sec or similar to confirm if more than 4000 variants have been identified in the UK.
Pin them with a Yes No question they can’t waffle out of.

372807 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Nessimmersion, 14, #1474 of 2114 🔗

MPs and reporters don’t ask questions any more.
They are cheerleaders.

372827 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to lost in inner space, 4, #1475 of 2114 🔗

Wot like this from SAGE last year?

372794 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 20, #1476 of 2114 🔗

Any one fancy a pint?

372803 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1477 of 2114 🔗

Cider for me, please.

372804 ▶▶ l835, replying to PatrickF, #1478 of 2114 🔗

If you’re buying!

372813 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1479 of 2114 🔗

Several!

372818 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1480 of 2114 🔗

Twisted my arm so hard you almost broke it 🙂

372834 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to PatrickF, #1481 of 2114 🔗

Yes. Well, a lady’s drink for me, please.

372836 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1482 of 2114 🔗

Mine’s a pint of bitter thanks.

372867 ▶▶ wendy, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1483 of 2114 🔗

Pint of gin please!!

372882 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendy, #1484 of 2114 🔗

🤣

372885 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1485 of 2114 🔗

Guinness please, Patrick.

372887 ▶▶ Janette, replying to PatrickF, #1486 of 2114 🔗

Yes please

372999 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1487 of 2114 🔗

Franziskaner Hefeweizen at the ready! 😀

373205 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PatrickF, #1488 of 2114 🔗

Large glass of red for me please

372800 Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 306 of lockdown), 22, #1489 of 2114 🔗

Is it just me or are they really clutching at straws this evening (more so than usual)?