2021-01-23

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373605 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 212, #1 of 1818 🔗

Vive la resistance!!!

I enjoyed a convivial evening with some friends from (our lockdown sceptic) church last night. Good food, squashing together around the keyboard, playing silly games, conversing over a shared interest.

I say this not to show off or make people jealous or whatever, but because I highly recommend getting together with other people, whether an official anti-lockdown group, or friends with a shared interest, be it church, tiddly winks or simply people you know who do not consent. This is the best tonic to the blues that many of us are feeling, this is what makes us human.

We must keep old normal life, real life going in any way we can so that there is something left to salvage when all this is over Keep going, stay strong, support each other!

If this is a war, we are the resistance, and defeat is not an option.

373611 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 33, #2 of 1818 🔗

Hear, hear! Good start to the day, Hugh.

374264 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Annie, 37, #3 of 1818 🔗

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – please share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://t.me/thegreatreopening

30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

374442 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #4 of 1818 🔗

Do you want to defeat Johnson & Hancock? Here’s how, in 70 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mGaBvT0JA&list=WL&index=36

374799 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #5 of 1818 🔗

Google is ‘holding a gun to our head’ by threatening the removal of the search engine in Australia

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6CClY4Tt8

374824 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #6 of 1818 🔗

There is another way forward, DuckDuckGo.

374909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Crimson Avenger, #7 of 1818 🔗

Biden Invites China Into US Energy Sector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDqFGPPmnk
Mahyar Tousi

375280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Crimson Avenger, 1, #8 of 1818 🔗

I have been using it. It’s easy to use.

374789 ▶▶▶▶ atilla99, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #9 of 1818 🔗

Ivermectin success is being suppressed by the vermin since January 3rd

Please ask all you know to forward these links and even print flyers to place in any sane businesses.

The question needs to be asked ; why is the UK refusing to use a proven medication with NO side effects that has been safely used for many years, but continue to push a vaccine that has had NO reliable testing and has already caused deaths and incapacitations ?

https://www.e-bmc.co.uk/

Now even the US has approved ivermectin

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/miraculous-ivermectin-approved-for-use-in-the-us-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

It should be noted that even India is now far ahead of the UK in treatment of the mythical COVID ( aka flu ..) virus

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/india-develops-covid-treatment-kit-for-less-than-3-per-person-with-miraculous-ivermectin

And the definitive opinion that should be followed;

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-pfizer-vp-no-need-for-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over

374910 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to atilla99, 2, #10 of 1818 🔗

The scamdemic was over the minute the governors and mayors and other politicians in charge encouraged the riots back in May

374994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #11 of 1818 🔗

Joe Biden Takes the Throne – Trump Is Finished!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvBnU0Ed8A&list=WL&index=33

AwakenWithJP
1.68M subscribers

375039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #12 of 1818 🔗

First They Came For The Conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOXQZPu8S1U&list=WL&index=28

FACEBOOK shuts down Socialist Workers Party in Britain
Tony Heller
98.5K subscribers

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
– Winston Churchill

375242 ▶▶▶▶ arjay derby, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #14 of 1818 🔗

Yes, we need all pub, cafe and restaurant owners to come together and open up. We are ready to take a table and to stand by the resistance needed to oust the this bs. If Italy can do it so can we.

375035 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Annie, 2, #15 of 1818 🔗

good evening – Katie Hopkins – Gyms PROTECT the NHS
15,424 views•23 Jan 2021

Katie Hopkins. Full interview to follow. My love to gym owners and gym bunnies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wK1qxf2oU4
In the U.K. they are all locked down

The reason gyms and hairdressers are closed is because Boris doesn’t go to either of them

373613 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 86, #16 of 1818 🔗

Couldn’t agree with you more! We’ve got friends coming over to snowshoe on Sunday. Being outdoors with them is legal, but once we invite them inside we become law breakers. We’ve got no neighbours so there’s not any risk of getting caught, but it just feels good to socialize and give the government the middle finger. So yes, stick with like-minded people and family members who aren’t nuts and stay human. Normal is the only way I’m willing to behave. Stay strong and socialize whenever you can!

373615 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 41, #17 of 1818 🔗

Snowshoe? Sounds lovely, though I guess it could describe quite a lot of places in Canada! Then again, parts of the UK have been a bit “Canadian” just recently – brrrr….
I’ll tell you what triggered my latest rant though. I was so upset to read Poppy’s post and what her BF has been going through. So many victims, so much hurt, we need to resist however we can. The victims of lockdowns are in my thoughts (and prayers).

373723 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, 23, #18 of 1818 🔗

Mine too. I have a meeting with my MP this week and I am going to read out to her some of Poppy’s post from here.

374216 ▶▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Janette, 4, #19 of 1818 🔗

Good luck with that.

374499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to lorrinet, 7, #20 of 1818 🔗

Fake news about Covid-19 – History Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAF45WpVzU
The British government has been rebuked by the Advertising Standards Authority for spreading fake news about the Covid epidemic .

374568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #21 of 1818 🔗

More cracks appearing. Great!

374545 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 7, #22 of 1818 🔗

My blood boils when I read the stories of suffering. I said to my husband last night that I’m ashamed of our generation (we are in our mid-50s) — we’ve left our parents to rot in LTC facilities and screwed over our kids. By “we” I of course mean those in our generation who are pulling the strings — I don’t mean to disparage those of us who are middle-aged sceptics. We’d go back to normal in a heartbeat if given the opportunity and would never have implemented this insanity.

If you’re Canadian, you have to find ways to embrace winter! We’ve cut trails on our property and the snowshoeing is amazing. It’s invigorating and it’s great for both mind and body. When we can lure people to come over and make it a social event, it’s even better.

373637 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 45, #23 of 1818 🔗

We did this last weekend with friends… just sat around a kitchen table for a few hours. We have “zoom fatigue”. We literally cannot look at friends and loved ones on screens anymore. The human connection has revived us. We are now house hunting on Saturdays for human connection. Most estate agents will remove masks when we explain we find it hard to understand masked faces. It’s literally saving us!

373645 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #24 of 1818 🔗

I’ve never actually used zoom.

Perhaps I should try house hunting. Maybe in Westmorland…

373650 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 45, #25 of 1818 🔗

You have never zoomed… that’s why you are able to stay human. It is dehumanising! Terrifying that all school children are now placed in front of a screen all day every day. Absolutely chilling! While the teachers unions have enabled teachers (I’m sure many are furious) to sit at home on furlough or teach to a camera while babysitting a classroom of children also glued to screens and plugged into headphones. We have to save humanity!!

373651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #26 of 1818 🔗

These things really shouldn’t be a part of teaching.

375290 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Hugh, 4, #27 of 1818 🔗

I am a teacher and I absolutely agree. I hate all of the technology.

373716 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #28 of 1818 🔗

Everybody looks ugly on zoom, even people I like such as Neil Oliver.

373722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 59, #29 of 1818 🔗

That’s exactly what a zoom call is, dehumanising. My 12 year old grandson loves playing football, he is in the local team. As most forms of excersise is now banned in Scotland his team leaders trying to keep in contact with the young players set up a regular zoom meeting.
I set him up on my tablet and left him alone. When I checked in on him, he was playing on his phone while some players and team leaders struggled to keep conversation going. The following week I made excuses for him, I couldn’t put him through that torture again.

Yesterday a couple of lads from his team were in the play park next to my house, he went off to see them and as I watched these children play, laugh and run about, what struck me the most was my grandson smiling and talking, this doesn’t seem much but he’s such a deep wee soul and doesn’t smile much anymore but this proved to me, how very important this physical interaction is to him and zoom calls just lead to him going deeper into himself and being with his peers physically brings him out of his shell.

373726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Just about sane, 12, #30 of 1818 🔗

I am so happy for you and him we have to keep this going

374108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Just about sane, 13, #31 of 1818 🔗

I truly hate zoom. I make all manner of excuses to get out of zoom church activities. It just feels all wrong. Yes, it’s fine to chat people who live far away, but in the same town you could see in person, no way.

374525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ lutherkehrt@gmail.com, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #32 of 1818 🔗

I loathe Zoom with a passion. Ditto the other alternatives. We do (I organise) no church Zoom activities – never have. We meet on the Lord’s Day, and on Wednesday – it’s surprising how many who turn up with masks will then break the law by hanging around afterwards…. 😂

Imago Dei – it shouldn’t be hidden, and neither should it be pretended that pixels are the same.

373900 ▶▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 20, #33 of 1818 🔗

I have never used Zoom or Skype, refuse to. Face to face contact is the way to go. I now just ignore all these silly rules.

373959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FarBeyondDrivenDevil, 11, #34 of 1818 🔗

Same. I just cannot do zoom or any other replacement activity our evil government has given us to let them off the hook for destroying human interaction.

373915 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 42, #35 of 1818 🔗

Until early last year you had child experts and educators bemoaning about the amount of time children spent in front of screens. Now where are they?

Happy to sacrifice child development on the altar of Covid and the Church of the NHS I suspect.

374008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #36 of 1818 🔗

Exactly!

374357 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Hugh, 4, #37 of 1818 🔗

We’re going to Essex next week househunting 😉

374234 ▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #38 of 1818 🔗

I would love to sit round a table with friends like in the days before the PTB decided to destroy our way of life to make way for their own warped ideological purposes. Unfortunately, old friends are fully signed up to Lockdown and won’t hear of it, and family is too far away.

373720 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, 3, #39 of 1818 🔗

Excellent that sounds great

373736 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Hugh, 25, #40 of 1818 🔗

Dead right we have the kids and partners around a few times a week for dinner, still visit relatives and have done since day one. Just common sense if anyone is unwell don’t come if fine your welcome.

373823 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Hugh, 3, #41 of 1818 🔗

Hugh, good to hear. I have just sent a private message to you. I would be very grateful if you respond; many thanks in advance!

375262 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Stephanos, 1, #42 of 1818 🔗

excuse my ignorance but how do you use PM on here please?

373840 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hugh, 16, #43 of 1818 🔗

I mentioned ‘tiddly winks’ to a lady I met walking by the river. She came round, we got tiddly and then had forty winks together. Almost felt human again.

374010 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bungle, 3, #44 of 1818 🔗

Haha love it

373977 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, 5, #45 of 1818 🔗

Well done. We have consistently ignored the command to salute with the arm at 45 degrees, and have always welcomed anyone in.

The main inhibition is those who – for the best of reasons – wish to be cautious for our sake.

375270 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to RickH, 1, #46 of 1818 🔗

As I’ve said before, we are told to cough into our elbow and then we are also told to bump elbows. Strange…

374023 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Hugh, 10, #47 of 1818 🔗

Thank you for posting, Hugh. Important court hearing on Monday for a judicial review regarding restrictions on worship in England and Wales. https://christianconcern.com/cccases/church-lockdown/

374528 ▶▶▶ lutherkehrt@gmail.com, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #48 of 1818 🔗

But England churches can all open?

374044 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Hugh, 7, #49 of 1818 🔗

Well done. We must stay alive by whatever means and keep our friends alive too despite what the state is trying to do to us!!!

374679 ▶▶ james007, replying to Hugh, 5, #50 of 1818 🔗

Sounds wonderful thanks for sharing.
I long to meet Christians who are not hard core Covidians. All churches closed for safety. When and if we get out of this safety dystopia, it will take me a long time to forgive the Church.
I am thinking about setting up a network of Christians for mutual support

375219 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to james007, 2, #51 of 1818 🔗

We have a small prayer group. Sadly, it has to be on beastly zoom because we are far apart geographically, but we are together in our concern for the victims of the current lunacy and our rejection of Church cowardice.

375414 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to james007, 1, #52 of 1818 🔗

Great idea. I’m grateful to whomever provided the link to the irreverends podcast which has been on my headphones when I go for a walk. I’d never have found it otherwise.

373606 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 20, #53 of 1818 🔗

Lockdown Stories: I contemplated suicide | 20-Jan-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtlq8arl4jo&list=WL&index=42
A talkRADIO listener has said she contemplated suicide because of the stress the lockdown.

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Sarah Banks from Derbyshire said: “When Boris first announced the lockdown I went into a panic state. I have childhood trauma, and anything that makes me feel out of control triggers that.

“In the first few weeks we muddled through. Things started to get worse for me. I was spiralling out of control to the point where I walked out of the house with the full intention of taking my life and not coming home.”

Ms Banks said her children were happy to return to school but her eldest child struggled after two pupils tested positive in her school bubble, meaning she had to isolate.

She added her family have only seen her mother-in-law through a window since March: “We bought her an iPad but the home haven’t been able to find the time to connect that to the Wi-Fi.”

373632 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, -58, #54 of 1818 🔗

Time to get over the trauma then.

Awareness of mental health issues is great, but the idea is that you then take time to fix them. Or you make changes to avoid that issue affecting others. Not expect the rest of the world to change to fit around you.

373644 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lucan Grey, 41, #55 of 1818 🔗

You don’t “get over” trauma. You can learn to manage the damage but it takes a long time. Suggesting that someone “gets over” trauma usually comes from someone who has such deeply buried trauma, they are terrified of being made to face it. They have buried their trauma so they want others to bury theirs. We see a lot of these people in positions of power, because power gives them the false sense they have “overcome” the trauma. Hitler was famously bullied by his father. How different the world might be today if he’d had help confronting and managing his pain rather than trying to “get over” it by gaining the power to inflict pain on others…

373989 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lucan Grey, 16, #56 of 1818 🔗

“Not expect the rest of the world to change to fit around you.”

As with masks and lockdown????

That’s a major mental illness.

374000 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 27, #57 of 1818 🔗

“Not expect the rest of the world to change to fit around you.” You mean like peope who think the rest of the world should lockdown to deal with their fears.

On a separate matter, if there was an award for the most insensitive post on LS, you would win outright.

374951 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #58 of 1818 🔗

Lucan has to be 77th Brigade.

374018 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #59 of 1818 🔗

You make a valid point, perhaps it didn’t come across as intended, for that I think you may have been harshly judged.

You are right, no one has the right to expect everyone else to surrender their freedoms to pander to their fears. Or indulge others by facilitating their fantasies.

I note the majority of sceptics are socially conservative, their old normal was hell for some more naturally introverted people, yet before cv19 socially conservative people imposed their social rituals on society and ostracised those who felt uncomfortable with them! Touche.

As a libertarian with a introverted personality, I have no issue with some of cv19 mitigation measures, some are common sense, eg large social gatherings etc. & i feel some sceptic complaints border on trivial, sometimes you have to make compromises at exceptional times, whatever your opinion on cv19, it was an unexpected event that required some urgent intervention.

WHAT I OBJECT TOO IS ANY FORM OF COMPULSORY ENFORCEMENT, COERCION OR MANDATORY GOVERNMENT DIKTAT. This medical problem became a political crisis the moment government interfered allowing technocrats to take our freedom for their safety! Any mitigation should have been advisory with government increasing capacity. Now this mild medical issue has opened a pandoras box of political opportunism that will shake all our lives forever.

374372 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lucan Grey, #60 of 1818 🔗

Is 40 down arrows a record? Should I congratulate you for most unpopular comment. 😅

374966 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, #61 of 1818 🔗

Probably what he wants.

374935 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #62 of 1818 🔗

Time to go off duty corporal.

373679 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 16, #63 of 1818 🔗

“Havent found the time” – how shocking – what is that Home trying to hide?

373607 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #64 of 1818 🔗
373619 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 25, #65 of 1818 🔗

I love Desmond Swayne MP

373620 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Laurence, 8, #66 of 1818 🔗

So do I but I was a bit disturbed to hear him, in the link atl, use the words ‘new normal’.

374377 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Laurence, 3, #67 of 1818 🔗

If only we had 360 Desmond Swaynes instead of the current dross in Parliament.

373608 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #68 of 1818 🔗

China’s Takeover Of The UN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbqMRbBFVCY
Mahyar Tousi

373997 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #69 of 1818 🔗

I think it’s time to stop whining about the PRC. Their role is of interest, but this has been a western foot-shooting exercise.

374124 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #70 of 1818 🔗

China never twisted any arms, what this highlights is the wests drift into dictatorship, would politicians of the 50s 60 or 70s followed chinas lead?

373609 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #71 of 1818 🔗
373878 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #72 of 1818 🔗

Excellent video, thanks!

373610 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 58, #73 of 1818 🔗

Those speculations are deliberately couched in terms that will be misunderstood and the misunderstanding will become the “truth”. The average idiot is going to see that and believe it kills 30-91% of people. It’s irresponsible if you still believe they’re not deliberately doing this. I now believe they are doing it deliberately.

373612 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 23, #74 of 1818 🔗

Most people haven’t a clue about how percentages work. The only message they’re capable of getting at the moment is ‘just go on being terrified, it’s always a good reason when it’s got “per cent” tagged on to it.’

373628 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #75 of 1818 🔗

“…believe it kills 30-91%| of people”?! Surely not, even given that some people’s numeracy is abysmal.

373648 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hugh, 36, #76 of 1818 🔗

I bet you a dollar to a gooseberry that the idea gains ground that the new variant kills at least 30% of those infected. The government said so. It’s the science.

The thing is – people are used to misunderstanding such statistics because the government always says things in this way. Eating cheese and onion crisps increases your chances of getting cancer of the toenail by 30% (from very low to still very low). People just see the figure.

373649 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #77 of 1818 🔗

Or “the science”.

Someone really does need to tell them there’s no such thing.

373656 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 22, #78 of 1818 🔗

Chilling how our language has been completely infiltrated. Before 2020 there was no article before “science”… it was just “science”… an evolving, ongoing study of the world that should – by definition – be regularly reviewed. Now it is “the science”. They once burnt people at the stake for denying “God’s truth”… it’s scary!

373705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #79 of 1818 🔗

The way “science” is used now, in general speech – and with or without the definite article – is completely irreconcilable with what science as a discipline is (or should be). The German ethologist Konrad Lorenz wrote, “T ruth in science can be defined as the working hypothesis best suited to open the way to the next better one.” But c ommon usage now makes “(the) science” an unchallengeable arcane authority, an oracle of an absolute truth, and anyone (however expert or otherwise) challenging it automatically an apostate. This is an amateurish and incompetent view of science, just as superstition is an amateurish and incompetent view of religion. But it’s much more convenient for the government to elevate “the science” as arcane authority. If proper scientific inquiry and discussion were permitted, the government would actually have to take responsibility for its own decisions.

373711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #80 of 1818 🔗

That isn’t true. The way Covid is discussed in public is exactly the same as climate change.

373732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to jb12, 7, #81 of 1818 🔗

I agree. Covid has merely – and massively – magnified a tendency that was already there.

374015 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, 1, #82 of 1818 🔗

There is such a thing. But it’s not an immutable body of knowledge – it’s a process of rational thought that has a serious evidence-based methodology.

374103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 3, #83 of 1818 🔗

I think the problem is with the word ‘the’ – there is only ‘science’ not THE science: it’s not a monolith

373834 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #84 of 1818 🔗

Or the 1/3 people don’t have any symptoms advert.Very misleading.
It should say 1/3 people who have Covid don’t display any symptoms which is very questionable anyway.

374021 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #85 of 1818 🔗

… or 1/3 of people claimed to have ‘Covid’ actually don’t.

374005 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #86 of 1818 🔗

Undoubtedly, as time has gone on and evidence has accumulated, it has become more and more difficult to sustain a simple incompetence/cock-up theory about this shit-show.

The recent urge to seize on the ‘ninja virus’ ploy on the scantiest of evidence has almost completely ruled it out. There is just too much focused malignity in the narrative now.

374653 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 2, #87 of 1818 🔗

And because of that, more people are smelling the rat and waking up. Theyr’e pushing it too far now.

373614 Annie, replying to Annie, 90, #88 of 1818 🔗

As I never listen to government propaganda, I didn’t know that they were trying to stigmatise us dog-walkers.
But it makes sense. Joggers project an image of aspiring healthiness, which the medico-Fascists obviously loathe. But joggers don’t stop to talk. Of all groups, dog walkers are the likeliest to stop and chat, both with other dog walkers and with people at large. We carry the deadly bacillus of sanity.

373684 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 21, #89 of 1818 🔗

Bouncy energetic dogs must help in this spreading of happiness, I mean the virus, too.

373804 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 13, #90 of 1818 🔗

When we had our two spaniels taking them walkies always took 10 times longer than it should have because of all the dog owners we would meet on the way. Those were happy dayz!

374749 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #91 of 1818 🔗

Always happy to talk to a happy dog and owner when out walking. I had no idea how these simple pleasures are so important to me.

373848 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, 2, #92 of 1818 🔗

‘aspiring healthiness’ – yes, they are determined to keep on breathing!

373916 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 15, #93 of 1818 🔗

I had no idea about the ads but have noticed a lot more dog walkers the last few days. We all chat to each other and all unmasked and old. The only masked one is my 30 year old neighbour.

374101 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Annie, 8, #94 of 1818 🔗

Of all the mad things we hear now, and have got used to hearing, to a degree, this was amongst the most stupid and actually made me laugh. And I’m not doing too much laughing these days.
Just back from walking my three dogs…..

374127 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 21, #95 of 1818 🔗

There was a horrific quote from a Government advisor on the BBC website about ‘ we need to reduce mobility’. It made me think of old people losing the ability to walk, people developing claustrophobia and people shut in their houses contemplating suicide. That is what not getting out and about does and that’s not including things like obesity and heart disease. You’d think they wanted to kill us all.

374416 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #96 of 1818 🔗

The best thing all of us can do to “reduce pressure on the NHS” is to keep up our physical and mental health. This cannot be done by staying at home.

374167 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Annie, 1, #97 of 1818 🔗

Call just went out from No 10 for more pooper scooper snoopers…

373616 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 52, #98 of 1818 🔗

Straight away you see the agenda.

The new variant is more deadly and more transmissible…fatality could be 1.3% as the original variant is 1% deadly (already disproven is it not).

The answer? More lockdown ofcourse. Now even more strict.

This is what they want

373743 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TheBigman, 21, #99 of 1818 🔗

The answer is always more lockdown….just like with an abuser where the answer is always more punches in the face.

374038 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #100 of 1818 🔗

You are absolutely right! The brain washing techniques used by the government are exactly the same as a coercive/abusive relationship. there is a name for it; Neural Linguistic Programming. That’s why there are behavioural psychologists like the Marxist Susan Mitchie on the SAGE group.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FgSALTfZCT0/

374060 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Burlington, 7, #101 of 1818 🔗

Parliament made coercive control a criminal offence, but not when it is perpetrated by organisations. Why the exemption?

373617 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 205, #102 of 1818 🔗

Let’s get some sanity back into our lives. So many are suffering from misery, depression, unemployment, kids’ education being ruined, financial troubles, boredom, undiagnosed cancer, basically the loss of nearly a year of meaningful life. 67,000,000 meaningful life years lost, and that’s just in the UK

And for what ? Why are the sheep volunteering for slaughter ?

Over the course of 2020, there were 54,000 excess deaths in total from 14th March to 1st January according to the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries, and that includes the effects of lockdown and people being terrified of using the NHS because of the scare campaign by the government. So 54,000 people, under 0.1% of the population, died more than would have if there were no COVID and no lockdown.

Of these, around 20% or 10,000 were under 75, that’s around 0.02% of the people of this age. So we locked 60,172,000 under 75s in their houses to avoid 10,000 deaths, which happened anyway ? What were the government thinking ?

And we stopped millions of children going to school, when the ONS tells us that 20 people under 20 died of COVID in the whole year.

They say it would have been worse if we’d had no lockdown, well look at the graphs comparing Sweden to the UK, France and Italy, or comparing Peru to Brazil. Look at the difference between states in the US that had lockdown and those that didn’t – no difference.

Why was lockdown imposed on London in January 2021 when the infection rate per the King’s College Zoe app was going down from 28 December ? Why are the graphs for the different regions on the Zoe app all different and none show a sudden change at the date of lockdown being imposed or at a given interval after it ? Why have the deaths involving flu and pneumonia been around the same in 2020 compared to the previous 5 years (other than in the pandemic spike around April when they were worse) if lockdown has any effect ?

In short, there is no evidence lockdown achieved anything and there’s a simple explanation for the government line and their friendly statisticians so beloved of the BBC, and doctors like Fauci in the US with his new found importance (and longstanding self-importance !): they’re either lying or ignorant (wilfully or otherwise).

But these people have nice comfortable jobs, they can work comfortably from home, they earn reasonable money: they’re middle class, middle age, middle/ high income. They’re not living in a council block having been laid off or furloughed with their kids at home with no school and having their and their kids’ prospects being destroyed.

Why did only 14 people die on the Diamond Princess of 3,700 in total, when the age profile was very old and it was referred to as a ‘petri dish at sea’ or in today’s terms a 2 week superspreader event followed by a 2 week ineffective quarantine ?

And of the figure of 54,000 deaths, nearly all were in the last week of March to the first week of May. In the so-called ‘second wave’, excess deaths have been running at about 1,100 per week. That’s around 200 per week of the under 75s – this is no reason to shut pubs, restaurants, travel, let alone schools. The second ‘wave’ is a ripple.

And we’re worried about the NHS – well please tell me which major city other than London of 9 million people, capital of a major world economy, try to run itself on 1,000 critical care beds, 1 per 9,000 people.

Please, someone, tell me what’s going on ?!

It’s as if the whole world with few exceptions has forgotten any sensible concept of risk assessment, that they can’t add up, aided and encouraged by innumerate but possibly well meaning doctors and scientists like  Whitty and Vallance.

These politicians and ‘scientists’ are destroying our lives, our jobs, our children’s education – taking away everything it means to be human, and for what – the loss of 200 lives per week for the under 75s.

The insanity must stop, the world must go back to normal immediately. WAKE UP – we’re frogs being slowly boiled to death.

373623 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Laurence, 29, #103 of 1818 🔗

Superb post as ever Laurence. This says it all.

373624 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Adamb, 14, #104 of 1818 🔗

Thank you, very much appreciated.

374439 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Adamb, 2, #105 of 1818 🔗

Do you want to defeat Johnson & Hancock? Here’s how, in 70 seconds .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mGaBvT0JA&list=WL&index=36

373629 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laurence, 30, #106 of 1818 🔗

Please send this to your MP. OK, s/he is almost certainly a useless, brainless, spineless sheep, but even so…

373634 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Laurence, 27, #107 of 1818 🔗

All politicians should have to live in a council block. And send their children to the sort of schools that they propose to impose on others.

I suspect that what we are seeing is the power of group think. And of patronage.

374032 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, 9, #108 of 1818 🔗

We are seeing the use of induced Fear as a propaganda weapon.

374285 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 4, #109 of 1818 🔗

Yes that is exactly so. We are in a war being waged upon ourselves by our own government.

373636 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Laurence, 9, #110 of 1818 🔗

Thank you very much for taking the time to do the analysis and put this study together. I shall be making use of the results.

373638 ▶▶ TC, replying to Laurence, 7, #111 of 1818 🔗

Excellent succinct post.
Thank you very much.

373707 ▶▶ jos, replying to Laurence, 13, #112 of 1818 🔗

What’s it about? Follow the money – the imminent collapse of the dollar now bolstered by more money from outside the US flowing their way through zoom, Amazon, Uber, Netflix and most of the vaccine suppliers that might have gone to local businesses without the virus (see Offguardian). The end of the financial year might just mean the end of covid19 unless it didn’t work in which case we’ll get covid21 caused by the adverse reactions to the vaccines .. we’re just pawns in a game and of no real consequence to the players.

373740 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Laurence, 16, #113 of 1818 🔗

I totally agree but my view is that this is a world takeover by Bill Gates and his cronies. Bojo and other governments are getting instructions from him

374676 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, 3, #114 of 1818 🔗

They’re clearly getting their instructions from someone. Gates is implicated up to his neck but is also too obvious. The real puppetmasters have the power to stay invisible.

373803 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Laurence, 16, #115 of 1818 🔗

67,000,000 meaningful life years lost, and that’s just in the UK

Digging further… Average UK life expectancy = 80 years / 4160 weeks. The equivalent of 16,105 individual lifetimes are thus condemned to be lived without basic freedoms, rights, pleasures, security, health assurances and /civil liberties per WEEK of lockdown.

Or, put another way.

The UK government is sanctioning over 2.000 equivalent lifetimes EVERY DAY to be lived deprived of those same basic liberties we previously took for granted.

373868 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Laurence, 2, #116 of 1818 🔗

Excellent

373962 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Laurence, 4, #117 of 1818 🔗

Absolutely superb.Spot on.

373984 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Laurence, 18, #118 of 1818 🔗

I hate to admit it, but I am starting to buy this conspiracy theory stuff. The great reset, or some version of it… folks like James Delingpole seems to have gone off the deep end and now swim exclusively in those conspiratorial waters. Toby and us sceptics occasionally dip our toe in, but most remain in the shallow end. At which point should we start looking elsewhere for explanations? Or perhaps it will be too late by that point..

As Ivor Cummins repeatedly says in his videos: Why are they doing this?

373987 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Laurence, 23, #119 of 1818 🔗

To die of Covid is, by and large, to die of old age.

374009 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laurence, 18, #120 of 1818 🔗

GREAT post. That sums it up very well. A key part of the psy-op is to make people think the only way to think is how the government tells people how to think and that NOBODY thinks any differently.

I think in reality many people are now being forced to question their reality and are confused and conflicted because what they thought about the world is being massively challenged.

The Corona Project is a long standing plan, to use a naturally occurring virus to trigger a fake global pandemic in order to be a catalyst for massive social change. To enable a global transition into a new economic and political system. All the rest of who benefits is obvious, they knew the corona bomb was falling and got ready.

It’s a global script. A business plan. This is why it looks so stupid and ridiculous, this is why it is so damaging, this is why the one-size-fits all approach is being used. The script was written by people who are really bad at writing scripts.

People are just starting to see this scam with their own eyes, despite the constant barrage saying there is only one way to see what you see, OUR way. The two pictures just do not match. There is only one way this can go. Their edifice of bullshit will collapse, the amount of effort in sustaining it is just not, to use their term, “sustainable”.

374025 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Laurence, 5, #121 of 1818 🔗

The second ‘wave’ is a ripple.”

Which is why I am disturbed when I see the term used here (and ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ as substitutes for ‘PCR+’)

374148 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Laurence, 12, #122 of 1818 🔗

“possibly well meaning doctors and scientists like Whitty and Vallance.”

I find it difficult to accept that Messr’s Witty & Vallence should be described as well meaning. Both men are well qualified both professionally and intellectually to know that when they stand up at the press briefings they are pedalling bullshit and snake oil.

374686 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Burlington, 4, #123 of 1818 🔗

Whitty’s body language often makes it clear that he’s lying and uncomfortable about it.
He’s often distanced himself from Vallance’s assertions too.
Vallance seems to use the same botox as Hamcock.

373618 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #124 of 1818 🔗

It’s the PCR test stupid

374037 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #125 of 1818 🔗

The PCR test is just one of the means. 

373621 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 29, #126 of 1818 🔗

If this is the dreaded ‘second wave’ then what wave number for colds or flus are we on?
What wave number of death from cancer are we on?

It’s a ridiculous wording designed to keep you scared. And guess what? It’s working!

373978 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheBigman, #127 of 1818 🔗

I’ll grant them the second season. Wave is just silly.

373990 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to TheBigman, 3, #128 of 1818 🔗

Each day a new spin on the lies, throwing the public off the scent. You can see what they’re doing! When sceptics start digging up the truth and putting it out there, the ‘convenient’ scientists throw out some new data and fear mongering for us to latch our jaws into and start chewing away at. It’s almost like we’re all being played.

373622 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #129 of 1818 🔗

I hope it is not my tax £ that is paying for the “security” for the likes of ferguson, whitless and valance,

373627 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to nickbowes, -14, #130 of 1818 🔗

You’ll be glad to know it isn’t. Your tax doesn’t pay for anything and hasn’t since at least the 1930s – probably before.

Taxes for Revenue is an obsolete concept in a modern financial system. That at least should be clear from the last years activities.

The security firm went doing anything else. So we either pay them to do nothing, or pay them to do something.

373686 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 3, #131 of 1818 🔗

With luck, not for much longer

373625 TheBigman, 35, #132 of 1818 🔗

So let me get this right…

The UK is said to be the most compliant with govt over reach also the first country to offer a vaccine, and vaccinate so many, yet the virus mutated more here…

Hmmm if only there was some link…

373626 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 41, #133 of 1818 🔗

“A SAGE warning revealing that scientists are only 50% sure the Kent strain of coronavirus could be more deadly was handed to ministers just hours before last night’s ‘scare-mongering’ press conference, it has been revealed.”

This reminds me of the weather forecasts that the Met Office used to put out when they didn’t have a clue what the weather was going to be like tomorrow. There will be a 50% chance of rain, translated as, it may rain, but there again it may not.

File under totally useless information.

373682 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #134 of 1818 🔗

If I toss a coin, I am fifty percent certain it will land heads.

373689 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #135 of 1818 🔗

“Believe me madam, there’s no hurricane coming tonight.” Michael Fish, October 1987.

373755 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Nick Rose, #136 of 1818 🔗

Ouch!

373630 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 50, #137 of 1818 🔗

Clearly the scaremongering wasn’t working and they needed to up the ante.

It’s got to the stage now where they are not even pretending they are doing anything other than reading the tea leaves.

Vitamin D might protect against the virus. No we can’t issue it to everybody as a precaution even though it is cheap to do that.

Slight variant in virus may hurt some more people – in winter in the cold and dark after being depressed for months. Maximum precaution and panic!

It’s not even emotionally consistent now, never mind logically.

373641 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lucan Grey, 21, #138 of 1818 🔗

This pathetic ‘government’ does absolutely nothing to help the public. The only thing they know is how to lie.

374325 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #139 of 1818 🔗

I do remember reading that they were actually going to issue vitamin D supplements to the vulnerable. Sadly, it was only a pathetic 400iu.

373631 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #140 of 1818 🔗

Gaurdian helping the GReset with:

Electric vehicles close to ‘tipping point’ of mass adoption
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/22/electric-vehicles-close-to-tipping-point-of-mass-adoption

According to zap map there are 60 individual charging points in the city of Edinburgh in total. Six zero. 550,000 people live in the city of edinburgh.

The council voted to ban fossil fuel vehicles from the city centre area prior to covid84. The council has delayed that city change until 2022 because of covid84. There is not an inner ring road around the city, there is not an outer ring road around half the city.

373668 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 22, #141 of 1818 🔗

So electricity is made by magic, without harming the environment?

373681 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Annie, 10, #142 of 1818 🔗

Academics, yes Them, suggest five cars can be charged from each lamp post. Not a joke but a proposal.

Alternatively your electric car can be kept at Park and Rides at the edge of the city, you take the bus from your city centre home to the outskirts to pick up your car. Again, not a joke, a proposal.

This is where those plastic cones and painted lines of covid pavement widening in every town is leading.

374697 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #143 of 1818 🔗

Do the five cars at the lampost have to be stacked on top of each other?

373760 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 12, #144 of 1818 🔗

And cobalt batteries are ever so environmentally friendly too lol.

374003 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Annie, 5, #145 of 1818 🔗

Powered by the same magic that keeps Santa going all night.

375457 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Annie, #146 of 1818 🔗

Absolutely. We get ours directly from the outlets 😜 😜 😜 😜 😜

373728 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #147 of 1818 🔗

TBF I think most of those are in Scottish government buildings

374431 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, 2, #148 of 1818 🔗

I observed earlier this week that in the Derby Arena lower car park there were about 30 cars, but all of the 5 or 6 electric charging points were unoccupied.

373633 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 60, #149 of 1818 🔗

So Neil O’Brien MP, the smug, odious c**t who has been using his Twitter platform to attack lockdown sceptics or “Covid sceptics/deniers” as he likes to call them. Can nobody see the game here?

An absolute no-mark of an MP (I never knew he existed) clearly given a small team of tech archaeologists to trawl through the past tweets of people like Clare Craig, Toby Young and Julia Hartley Brewer, using these tame “gotcha” attempts to destroy their credibility in public. These attacks are becoming more unhinged, personal and threatening, and its all intentional.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been given access to 77th Brigade operations as he is a focal part of the asinine trolling that most of us social media users have had to endure. What I am accusing Neil O’Brien MP and the government of is simple – this man has been given a specific mission to attack prominent sceptics online. He is not “high profile” so as such, he and the government feel that he can act with impunity and get away with these cowardly tirades. He is an attack dog, nothing more.

I wonder how faithful he will be to this role when the lawsuits start mounting up?

373640 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Scotty87, 14, #150 of 1818 🔗

I suspect, along with the 77th Brigade, he is also involved with the Integrity Initiative.

374574 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, #151 of 1818 🔗

And J-TRIG.

373909 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Scotty87, 9, #152 of 1818 🔗

Have you heard Neil O’Brien in his interviews on radio. He really loses it calling presenters stupid. When you are losing the argument resort to these tactics. I’ve had the same with climate change for years. I’ve watched the enormous amounts of money wasted on lame projects, usually paid to friends in high places. I stopped getting involved. Brexit was another story I got challenged on. Again if you look into the background of MPs and associates that were remainers, often you find the reason.

373934 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Scotty87, 6, #153 of 1818 🔗

Yup, I spotted it too. He is what we call in this house a “Number 2” (nothing to do with turds or numerology) – not the real problem (that’s the Number 1 bully) but the “attack dog” as you say, the one who tucks themselves in behind the top dog. As your last sentence suggests, Number 2s aren’t known for their loyalty.

As an aside he has unfortunate initials.

375085 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to LS99, #154 of 1818 🔗

Bob Ward of Grantham Institute is an excellent example. Grantham who funds it made his pile selling US wood pellets to Drax.

373986 ▶▶ TC, replying to Scotty87, 4, #155 of 1818 🔗

He sounds like a self absorbed politician (even by their standards) but unfortunately with a large majority so he is safe.
Another PPE degree so no doubt well versed in science.
Probably doesn’t think he’s essentially promoting censorship.
If you have to censor people then you’ve already lost the argument.

373635 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 132, #156 of 1818 🔗

Things I know for absolute certain, no matter what ANY politician, doctor, journalist, friend says:

1 human beings need constant connection with other human beings in order to survive and thrive

2 putting anything over your mouth and nose inhibits your ability to breathe normally

3 natural immunity to a virus is always better than artificially induced immunity

4 no healthy human being should ever be incarcerated for 14 days against their will if they have committed no crime

5 if someone is not displaying any symptoms of a disease, they are a healthy individual and no test in the world should be used to suggest otherwise

6 children have a fundamental right to play with each other, especially outdoors when weather permits

7 anyone who disagrees with the above points should ask themselves whether they GENUINELY disagree or have been LED to disagree.

Let me know if you disagree… and why.

373643 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #157 of 1818 🔗

hear hear

373647 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 43, #158 of 1818 🔗

1 human beings need constant connection with other human beings in order to survive and thrive

So, as a matter of policy, lockdown care homes. Deny the residents access to their relatives; indeed anyone except minimal support from staff for essentials. And when they die of isolation, loneliness and depression call it Covid 19.

373653 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #159 of 1818 🔗

I know… I have a family member in one. Agoraphobic so would not even consent to being brought outside when outside visits were briefly allowed in the summer. A brainwashed friend has a mother locked down in a home… furious that “rule breakers” and “vaccine refusers” are the reason for mother’s decline in health. Those of us who understand MUST survive this no matter what it takes, we have to live to tell the tale of what was done.

373665 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 38, #160 of 1818 🔗

I understand that some Nazi concentration camp victims survived because of their burning desire to tell the world what had been done to them.
Our bodies are not threatened, but our souls are. We are surrounded by zombies with dead souls, spiritual Musulmänner .
Keep that burning desire.

373687 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 13, #161 of 1818 🔗

I understand their logic if that’s the case – but I’m just not convinced the majority of people will do anything other than turn their faces to the wall and just look blankly at us for explaining to them that not everyone is “having a good War” and the vast majority of us are having a darn awful war and it’s worse for some than others. The comfortable/unthinking Covid believers don’t want anything upsetting the mental state of selfish little them. Some of them will do their darndest to tell us to shut up/to block their ears/etc in order not to listen to us telling it like it is.

373717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ElizaP, 12, #162 of 1818 🔗

I fear you’re right. I fear the human mind (at least in locked-down countries of the west) has been permanently distorted. Comfortable and unthinking is, after all, a very easy way of living in a rich western country while the economic system is still functioning.

The reckoning will come when the economy collapses. But at that point, the shepherds of the comfortable and unthinking people, from Piers Morgan to Dan Hodges, Paul Mason, Neil O’Brien and the rest, will scapegoat the lockdown sceptics. “If only we’d locked down harder and faster, if only everyone had stayed at home (apart from the valiant proles supplying me with my groceries and emptying my bins)… it would never have come to this. Sacrifice the evildoers and perhaps the gods will look kindly on us again.”

373770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #163 of 1818 🔗

The problem for them is that there will be no evidence to support their faith.

373750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Annie, 3, #164 of 1818 🔗

Yes we must. We are war now

373857 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 6, #165 of 1818 🔗

ah, I see you’ve read ‘If This is a Man’ too! – strange, I’ve been interested in the accounts of concentration camp survivors, survivors of totalitarian regimes, all my life, now I wonder – is it this lifelong study which enables me to recognise it when I see it, or perhaps am I just a person with a hammer to whom everything looks like a nail?

374646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #166 of 1818 🔗

The death camps were surely the stripped-down essence of totalitarianism, which has nothing to offer anybody except death, or the power to inflict death on others.
What we have now is a grotesque new version, in which bodies are secure and well-fed, but souls are systematically starved and killed. Obviously you’d have to be insane to prefer the concentration camp version, but the new version is, in its way, just as corrosive of civilisation. Both versions demonstrate that there is no limit to human corruptibility, which is what totalitarianism both feeds and feeds on.
One reason why I try to be a Christian is that Christianity acknowledges the infinite corruptibility of Man, but insists that it is redeemable by the infinite goodness if God. Non-Christians will find other approaches.

373773 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #167 of 1818 🔗

It seems my mother in law has taken to the bottle. She gets an endless supply of Baileys which she puts in her coffee, but she’s been overdoing it and they have had to take her bottle of Baileys away from her which I think is a damned cheek. She’s 97 FGS isolated from her friends and family that’s the only joy she’s got left!

374040 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #168 of 1818 🔗

I cannot even begin to comprehend any moral justification for this deprivation.

373662 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #169 of 1818 🔗

How can anybody here disagree? We’re human. We’re sane.

373664 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 23, #170 of 1818 🔗

I know WE are, Annie. But we are outnumbered and I’m scared! They are taking bigger and bigger lies to ensure that anyone challenging them is vilified. Prominent people must be too scared to challenge… it gets worse and worse!

373676 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #171 of 1818 🔗

Eventually the lies will be so gross that even the zombies will notice. Hang on in there.

373702 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 31, #172 of 1818 🔗

Thanks Annie, every time I feel hopeless I come here. This community has literally saved me from losing my mind. So grateful! We must have a big LS party when this is over.

373751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #173 of 1818 🔗

Yes I like that idea

373966 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 5, #174 of 1818 🔗

Lies such as the Kent variant, for example?

374563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ lutherkehrt@gmail.com, replying to Bugle, #175 of 1818 🔗

The Kent variant has veracity. Unfortunately it came from a lab testing a dying patient (kept alive with family agreement for the purpose) creating a mutation by using vaccines on their ineffective immune system. The information is all traceable online. It seems journalists are simply not interested.

374724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to lutherkehrt@gmail.com, 1, #176 of 1818 🔗

There are thousands of variants. Mutate is what viruses do – and Sarscov2 has had over a year to get on with it.

374721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 1, #177 of 1818 🔗

I agree. The lies are already so ridiculous that people are seeing through them.

373808 ▶▶▶▶ Sarah N, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #178 of 1818 🔗

I feel the same. I try to remain positive as I don’t want ‘them’ to win and take that away from me too. I will admit though, I am scared of where they will take this and if in the very near future, it will become ever impossible for me to see my grown up daughter who lives 120 miles away. Of course I will do everything in my power to continue to see her, but I think, it is this thought that really terrifies me

373879 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Sarah N, 11, #179 of 1818 🔗

same here. my grown up children live 200 miles away. it has crossed my mind that I will be plotting a back route which I will cycle by night, spending the days sleeping in the woods….

374036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #180 of 1818 🔗

That sounds like a nice thing to do. Well worth doing even if there was a covid meltdown.

373672 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #181 of 1818 🔗

Well done friend – a simple list often helps.

373708 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #182 of 1818 🔗

100% agree. How could any sane person not?

373721 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to WasSteph, 3, #183 of 1818 🔗

The Covidiots ie zealots are not sane are they?

373786 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 1, #184 of 1818 🔗

No they are certainly not!

374726 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FerdIII, #185 of 1818 🔗

They have literally been scared witless.

373805 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #186 of 1818 🔗

Spot on!

373843 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #187 of 1818 🔗

couldn’t agree more my friend. ironic isn’t it that a year ago nobody in their right mind would have predicted that they would ever hold any other view!

373873 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #188 of 1818 🔗

The horrific lessons of the Romanian orphanages, has obviously been forgotten or ignored. These children were so damaged from emotional/physical neglect, the majority would never make it to adulthood. A newborn baby, not shown any physical affection or nurture, will not survive much past their 6th month! Damage from Loneliness is equivalent to smoking 60 cigarettes a day!

374016 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #189 of 1818 🔗

No one here will disagree. But how can we convince the majority out there otherwise? I have had constant clashes with friends, family and supermarket guards over masks, PCR testing, lockdowns and vaccine efficacy (not against in principle, but serious doubts how effective this one is). Any ideas how we can loosen the grip the MSM and government have over the vast swathe of ordinary people in the UK and beyond?

374809 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Alan P, 3, #190 of 1818 🔗

We can’t give up. Double down on the ethics. Just keep saying, “I can’t support something that is so unethical.” When they trot out the propaganda about all the covid deaths, look at them, puzzled, and say, “But destroying the lives of healthy people is MUCH MORE unethical, wouldn’t you agree?” We have to reach them through these chains of brainwashing madness…

374434 ▶▶ Edward, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #191 of 1818 🔗

Seven hundred upticks if I could do it.

375011 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #192 of 1818 🔗

2 putting anything over your mouth and nose inhibits your ability to breathe normally

Do it over an extended period of time and you habituate shallow breathing even when you don’t wear a mask. After all, the mask exemplifies the fear of breathing in and out properly.

373639 b_sceptic, replying to b_sceptic, 10, #193 of 1818 🔗

Reading this last night. Written in 1889. Very prescient. (No prizes for identifying it :-).

Let’s get on with it.

“We are creatures of the sun, we men and women. We love light and life. That is why we crowd into the towns and cities, and the country grows more and more deserted every year. In the sunlight – in the daytime, when Nature is alive and busy all around us, we like the open hillsides and the deep woods well enough: but in the night, when our Mother Earth has gone to sleep, and left us waking, oh! the world seems so lonesome, and we get frightened, like children in a silent house. Then we sit and sob, and long for the gas-lit streets, and the sound of human voices, and the answering throb of human life. We feel so helpless and so little in the great stillness, when the dark trees rustle in the night-wind. There are so many ghosts about, and their silent sighs make us feel so sad. Let us gather together in the great cities, and light huge bonfires of a million gas-jets, and shout and ring together and feel brave.”

373661 ▶▶ Annie, replying to b_sceptic, 3, #194 of 1818 🔗

From one of my all-time favourite books.
Nature for me. They can stuff their gasjets.

373683 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to b_sceptic, 2, #195 of 1818 🔗

I don’t want a prize but would like to know. It might get me to start reading, an occupation Einstein said was overrated.

373741 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Bungle, 2, #196 of 1818 🔗

Clue: JKJ afloat

373969 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bungle, 3, #197 of 1818 🔗

Imagine Blobjo, Shitty and Valium together all paddling madly to keep their sinking, cobbled-together raft of lies and hyperbole afloat….

374649 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #198 of 1818 🔗

Please, don’t even mention them alongside J, George and Harris, whom I love like brothers.

374366 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Bungle, #199 of 1818 🔗

If you haven’t yet read ‘3 Men in a Boat’, you have a real treat in store (‘3 Men on The Bummel’ is not too shabby either!).

374651 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to iane, #200 of 1818 🔗

And never confuse your cushions with your Kusses.

373642 danny, 26, #201 of 1818 🔗

More project fear.
Takes me back to the immediate post 9/11 where each day was another elevation of the danger level from “possible” danger to “imminent” to “help help there’s a bearded man eating hummus looking at me”.
Only difference then was the level of dissent and rational protest. The anti-war movement. Investigative journalism. A small but influential group of refusenik MPs. Huge swathes of the young, the students, the old militant 60s demographic, all challenging the narrative.
Now? Silence.

373646 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 35, #202 of 1818 🔗

Judging by the replies to Peston’s tweet, the only people in the entire country who trust Neil Ferguson are the complicit media and the people who make the rules.

What a shambles.

373657 ▶▶ danny, replying to Scotty87, 39, #203 of 1818 🔗

Generally avoid Peston. Did catch him the other week in a powerfully incisive interview with Vallance where he asked him the question we have all been wanting to know. “What do you do to relax and unwind in the evenings?
By the way, the answer was TV box sets. My money had been on drowning kittens in a sack, but there you go, it’s why Peston gets the big bucks.

373761 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to danny, 23, #204 of 1818 🔗

🤣 🤣 I would like to drown Vallance and Whitty in a sack, I doubt I am alone in that thought.

373652 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #205 of 1818 🔗

How does shutting down international travel help stem variants that start in Kent? If hundreds of thousands are being infected daily, how does shutting down international travel from countries with near zero cases help stem variants?

Moral panic, the resurgent nation state revelling in its new glory, people who always thought they were liberals finding that actually authoritarianism is really fun… It’s all about the science, people! (The science of dictatorship.)

373654 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #206 of 1818 🔗

Exactly – it’s nothing to do with the virus, it’s about control. Having cut carbon emissions by 7% in 2020 by ruining foreign holidays and destroying small businesses already, they need to do it again in 2021 – shut down aviation altogether? I hope not.

373756 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to this is my username, 10, #207 of 1818 🔗

I saw a headline a couple of days ago saying we will not meet our emissions target for 2030! I say fxxk the emissions target I’m not staying at home so Bozo and his elitist mates can brag that we met them!

373820 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 13, #208 of 1818 🔗

cutting carbon emissions is also a lie. the global warming hoax was a precursor to the global killer virus hoax. it’s not about any of those things, you have to scrape away the veneer of lies before you get any kind of glimpse into what’s really going on

374050 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #209 of 1818 🔗

Yep just change virus for terrorism for climate change. These three things are totally interchangeable as key drivers for social control. All of them, deep state holograms used to terrify humanity into compliance, bit by bit.

The Totalitarian Tip-Toe, Problem-Reaction-Solution.

374566 ▶▶▶▶ lutherkehrt@gmail.com, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #210 of 1818 🔗

The planet is greening up nicely with the extra carbon. A bit more and some of the deserts might begin to disappear.

373907 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to this is my username, 1, #211 of 1818 🔗

7% cut in carbon = 150m at risk of death because of extreme food poverty.

374293 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to this is my username, 4, #212 of 1818 🔗

It’s almost reminiscent of the scene from The Hunt For Red October where Jack Ryan is trying to figure out the conundrum “How do you make people want to get off a nuclear submarine?”

The massive increase in air travel is blamed by most climate zealots for playing a considerable role in the so called “climate emergency” (yes, I am a sceptic). When the Icelandic ash cloud hit Europe in 2010, the six days when almost all air traffic was grounded, the skies cleared considerably, which is what they would love to replicate. You can almost see those in the WEF asking themselves a similar question.

“How do you make people NOT want to fly anywhere any more?”

I believe that they found their answer.

373677 ▶▶ Basics, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 13, #213 of 1818 🔗

Kent variant is the same as mexico flu in 2009 and Spanish flu in 1918. Invented name to get people to think in terms they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZMr7AEL0jQ&feature=emb_logo

Watch the must see video posted here a two days ago. 19 mins. Jonathon Van Tam is in the audience learning how to concoct a pandemic in the minds of the people. Spoiler -alarm overentirely normal death rates. Naming the variant Kent is precisely the learning from the EU/Chatham House lecture on the link.

373719 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basics, 6, #214 of 1818 🔗

Correct. Most infectious diseases suffer from the same – they simply disappear the existing disease into a new one. CV 19 will disappear too (we did it the idiots will chant, we did it!, we killed the CV 19..) then the next year it is CV 19 relabelled as Budweiser 21. Bud and CV are the same. Just a different name. Usual game.

373759 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, 3, #215 of 1818 🔗

I watched that video with interest particularly as I believe that meeting/seminar was held in 2019.

373819 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #216 of 1818 🔗

May was in Downing street as the room makes arrogant smirks about various world leaders. It is essential viewing imo.

373828 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 3, #217 of 1818 🔗

it’s demonic

374756 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #218 of 1818 🔗

It was, January 2019.

373655 TC, replying to TC, 12, #219 of 1818 🔗

These podium corona briefings from the Prime Muppett and his henchmen would be laughable if it wasn’t for the deadly seriuosness of their consequences.
Can anyone really believe what is being said?
Even Bojo didn’t sound convinced by what he was saying and I am willing to bet “the Science” will not be validated viz. this new variant lethality; they even couched what they said with caveats about it.
Blatant scaremongering and so irresponsible in tax payer funded functionaries but sadly likely to be taken in by the majority.
My wife saw bits of it on the news.
Whilst I railed at the tv set and what was said she felt differently.
She said something along the lines of: “It makes me afraid not to believe what they say” and it would make her more anxious to live otherwise than in accordance to government diktat, I suppose.
Clearly, I have failed as a sceptic in convincing my own household of the justice and correct basis of our cause!
She, with my daughter, wants me to be vaccinated. I am holding out on a “wait and see” basis but will still probably decline it.
By the way, can anybody point me to a link or source where someone taking methotrexate died in the Pfizer trial?
Since I take methotrexate, I will probably receive an earlier slot for vaccination than my wife – Sod’s Law.

373675 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TC, 21, #220 of 1818 🔗

Doesn’t your wife recall seeing on the news Whitty and Valance telling us that there would be four thousand coronavirus deaths per day by November of last year?

Is she not aware that when the government changed its position on face masks, Whitty had to admit to a Select Committee that there was no evidence for the change of policy?

Does she not know that the same committee was told that scientific evidence for the two metre social distancing rule was “the precautionary principle” ie, there is no evidence?

Has she not noticed that each lockdown has been introduced after the number of so called cases have already started to decline?

Is she not aware that the so called vaccines are still in the trial stage and have not been licensed? That the manufacturers do not even claim that they confer immunity? That they have side effects, including (judging by the experience of Norway) a more than a one in a thousand risk of death?

Does she not realise that the so called the science is in fact nothing other than pseudoscience?

373691 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #221 of 1818 🔗

Thanks for your reply.
She knows most of what you rightly reference from me.
Just to no avail.
This deliberate fearmongering evokes a visceral response rather than a reasoned analysis in most people.
My wife is an intelligent person (she did marry me,after all!) but her anxiety is too much for her.
I have to add that the fearmongering evokes a visceral response in me too but one of instinctive disbelief and distrust.

373752 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TC, 8, #222 of 1818 🔗

I really cannot understand the fear! The evidence that this is a sham is all around us yet people choose not to see it.

373810 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #223 of 1818 🔗

Between March and June last year the whole population was subjected to mind control and brainwashing techniques.Deprived of normal human contact this is the result.
I’ve seen the result with family and friends.They know something is not right with the official line but they always revert back to the comfort blanket of official propaganda.

374446 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bella Donna, #224 of 1818 🔗

I always assumed it was because with a 1 in 100 or 1 in 400 or 1 in 10,000 risk of death (delete according to your individual risk profile) from the virus, was enough of a risk to induce fear in many people.

For me, a virus would have to kill about 5pct of healthy 48 year olds before I got scared. Mostly because I never get sick. Never had flu, mumps, German measles etc.

373925 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to TC, 2, #225 of 1818 🔗

Though it brings little comfort, Plato’s Cave perfectly encapsulates the difficulties we face as LD opponents.

373744 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TC, 4, #226 of 1818 🔗

I haven’t watched one! There is an upside to not watching live TV. 😂

373941 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to TC, 4, #227 of 1818 🔗

If you are pushed into vaccination a prescription will have to be given as the vaccine is unlicensed except for emergency use. Point out to the vaccinator that you are on methotrexate and get them to sign indemnity against damage. I bet they won’t.

374560 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TC, 1, #228 of 1818 🔗

No reason why Methotrexate should be a contra indication to having the “vaccine” but it may impair its efficacy- Mrs M is on similar and has been told this by her specialist nurse, anyway.

374570 ▶▶ lutherkehrt@gmail.com, replying to TC, 1, #229 of 1818 🔗

There has been NO contra indication testing done for ANY medication. Be careful.

373658 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #230 of 1818 🔗

Neil O’Brien MP strikes me as thoroughly modern and fashionable. He asserts that facts he does not like are disinformation. He thinks that asserting something is false is a refutation. He believes casting aspersions on a person’s motives demonstrates the falsity of any evidence they have presented. He thinks rhetorical appeals to his moral superiority trumps evidence and reason. He assumes accusation is proof of guilt. He believes he has the right to censor. He assumes his sensibilities are superior to sense. For Mr O’Brien is always right and anyone who holds a differing opinion is mad, bad and dangerous, a threat to society, and should be stripped of their rights.

373698 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #231 of 1818 🔗

interesting – because I think he’s a kind of grotesque distorted mirror image of the RIGHT position, the TRUE position. (ie- my position 🙂 It is not ALWAYS right to give the other side the courtesy of listening to their point of view, debating it like a gentleman; it is not ALWAYS right to give them the courtesy of assuming they are acting in good faith – sometimes that is misplaced trust, sometimes that is to give them too much credit. There ARE circs when they should just be shot down, without any courtesy at all – would you have listened to Hitler’s point of view about the gas chambers, would you have politely debated with him about it? – this is a battle between good and evil, it is not a scholarly debating society

373747 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #232 of 1818 🔗

Hitler never publicly acknowledged the existence of the gas chambers.

373790 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #233 of 1818 🔗

He is just a good reminder to any previous Tory voters never vote for the shitty party again ever…..he is the kind of person you get. They really are filth.

373928 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, #234 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps the electorate or the local party would care to express their views?

373950 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #235 of 1818 🔗

And more importantly offers not one item of evidence to back his claim up. All disinformation and smears. This is using SJW methods this is how they cancel people. Keep punching the same story and eventually its somehow believed?

373972 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Spikedee1, #236 of 1818 🔗

He has a website devoted to disinformation and smears: https://www.covidfaq.co

374106 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #237 of 1818 🔗

Unsurprisingly he’s a PPE graduate – couldn’t hack the medicine degree he started. Never had a proper job in his life. Too fucking many of them in parliament like this I’m afraid.

373659 reason, replying to reason, 17, #238 of 1818 🔗

Using the figures that Boris based his 30% on he could have said it decreases the chances of survival from 99% to 98.7%. Wonder why he didn’t…

373695 ▶▶ TC, replying to reason, 6, #239 of 1818 🔗

You are correct but looking at survivl rates, the other side of the coin of covid statistics doesn’t inspire the righteous fear that this government of ours seeks to engender in it’s public.

373768 ▶▶ Janette, replying to reason, 2, #240 of 1818 🔗

Yes he should be honest but be isn’t and never has been over this whole shit show. I bet he didn’t even have COVID when he said he had it!

373938 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Janette, 3, #241 of 1818 🔗

That miracle of miracles, dying on Good Friday, miraculously recovered Easter Sunday. The unholiest resurrection. And he wasn’t shoved straight onto a ventilator, like all the other poor bastards who were being admitted for Convid, 9/10 of whom did not survive, the protocol still being used by the No Health Service

374092 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Jinks, 4, #242 of 1818 🔗

They make you think everyone is on a ventilator, but being in a “ventilator bed” doesn’t mean a ventilator is being used – in my hospital only about 1 in 6 in those beds are actually ventilated, and not for very long. Most will be on CPAP or just oxygen. Most deaths are the very elderly or unwell who are too sick to be ventilated – and as everyone on here knows, ventilation is no walk in the park and can kill a fragile body. So frustrating to see the stats put out, and it scares people and puts them off coming for their appointments for other conditions. And wastes appointments that other people could have used, as they often decide not to attend on the day, after seeing the latest nonsense spewing out. Our hospital was in a TV report, and next day 125 people rang to cancel outpatient appointments as they were scared they might “catch it”. However, interestingly there’s no sign that anyone is worried about distancing when they’re queueing up for they vaccines!

373663 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #243 of 1818 🔗

They must know the wheels are coming off this thing. They must be absolutely terrified. They can’t back peddle now. So the only way forward is keep on lying, let the lies get bigger – so big that anyone disputing them will be crucified as a “denier” (we are denying the LIES not the virus/disease) and this is how religion takes hold. Every time!

373688 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #244 of 1818 🔗

I’m denying the virus. The virus is at the centre of the lie. I’m denying it all: I don’t see any baby to extract from the bathwater, it’s ALL bathwater, with no baby in there at all: just pull the plug on it

373780 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #245 of 1818 🔗

My baby is the fruit of an asymptomatic pregnancy and you just flushed it down the drainpipe! You have asymptomatic blood on your hands! Waaah!

374494 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #246 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps we can join Creepy Joe’s new wars to take people’s minds off this monstrous cock up.

373666 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 20, #247 of 1818 🔗

The cracks are showing

For once, I feel slightly optimistic that cracks are appearing in the polit bureau of Johnson, Hancock, Vallance et al.

“The new variant is 30% more deadly” said the clown, intending to scare people into more lockdown, knowingly speaking utter bullshit. “No evidence,” chorused SAGE, “but please press project fear.” “Right, we’ll cut you off,” said the rest of the world, adding a further cruise missile under the economy.

“The vaccine won’t work against Variant South Africa,” Hancock spluttered. “Shut the f**K up,” said Vallance, worried he would spill the beans. The cracks are showing: the exit strategy won’t work. We have to live with the virus; vaccination might help but I think they know it is not going to deliver what they want.

Meanwhile the next crack needs to come from Rishi Sunak or a treasury leak. Lockdown (and future government debt repayments from it) costs EACH taxpayer about £130 PER DAY of lockdown (that’s my estimate). That might motivate a few more Tory MPs to consider joining the recovery group.

373738 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FrankiiB, #248 of 1818 🔗

I thought it was originally 70% more deadly?

373816 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #249 of 1818 🔗

70% longer lasting, no, wait, that was fairy liquid.

373924 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basics, 6, #250 of 1818 🔗

Fairy Liquid: Hands, Face, Soft.

373953 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basics, 1, #251 of 1818 🔗

Those hands that do dishes are as soft as your face!! Aaah great advert

374491 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, 1, #252 of 1818 🔗

Oooh! Stepford Wives flash back.

373667 Uncle Monty, 17, #253 of 1818 🔗

Mutant strain? My arse!
Jim Royle

”… mutation is a humdrum aspect of life for an RNA virus. Because these viruses employ an intrinsically error-prone RNA polymerase for replication, their genomes will accumulate mutations during every copying cycle. Moreover, these cycles can occur on the order of hours, ensuring that a diverse virus population will be generated within a single infected host. While this amazing capacity to mutate fuels the engine of evolutionary change, most mutations adversely impact some aspect of virus function and are removed by natural selection. Hence, although a mutation that changes how a virus is transmitted or its virulence may readily appear in a virus population,”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0690-4

373669 Annie, replying to Annie, 49, #254 of 1818 🔗

The Major General strikes again:

They are the SAGE committee, they know all about the Virus,
And they have a hundred thousand tricks, with terror to inspire us:
They imprison us at home and tell us coffee cups will kill us,
And a thousand other lies they spout and with them gaily fill us.
They’ve reduced the hoi polloi to herds of meekly bleating sheeple,
They have stigmatised the attitudes of sane and decent people;
They convinced the brainless masses that they’d save us with their vaccine,
But now we’ve got the snake oil, there’s no sign of SAGE relaxing.
They love to see their puppets on their jerking strings a-dancing,
And the war against the sceptics they are every day advancing.
In short, their total lack of all humanity and pity
Makes them the very model of a Fascist SAGE committee.

Now their latest trick is mutants, and they have them by the million:
There’s one that comes from Kent and there’s another that’s Brazilian,
There’s one that’s from South Africa and one that comes from Singapore,
And one from the Antarctic that was never on the wing afore.
There’s one from Windward Islands which is carried on bananas,
And one from Sleepy Hollow that you catch from your pyjamas.
In fact, the bug’s mutating like there won’t be a tomorrow,
And the way that things are going there will not be, to our sorrow.
For their criminal conspiracy these variants aren’t dispensable,
And they are fully proof against suggestions that are sensible:
In short, their total lack of all humanity and pity
Makes them the very model of a Fascist SAGE committee.

And yet, if they knew what is meant by ‘sense’ and ‘moderation’,
If they had the slightest interest in our children’s education,
If they gave a thought to all the harm their lunacies are causing,
If for some calm reflection we should ever see them pausing,
If they ever lent an ear to someone’s dissident opinions,
If they stopped feeding the poison to their  ministerial minions,
In fact, if they showed traces of quite elementary sanity,
We might see a mitigation of their monumental vanity.
But their devastating arrogance shows no signs of decreasing
And they will not stop tormenting us with miseries unceasing:
In short, their total lack of all humanity and pity
Makes them the very model of a Fascist SAGE committee.

373734 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Annie, 7, #255 of 1818 🔗

Genius – thank you! Our very own G&S poet laureate, take a bow!

373745 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, 6, #256 of 1818 🔗

Utterly brilliant – please get Toby to reprint so all can see!

374768 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, #257 of 1818 🔗

Hear hear!

374218 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, #258 of 1818 🔗

Brilliant.

374453 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Annie, #259 of 1818 🔗

Bravo!

375044 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Annie, #260 of 1818 🔗

A work of art! My particular fav lines …

There’s one from Windward Islands which is carried on bananas,
And one from Sleepy Hollow that you catch from your pyjamas.

373670 court, 4, #261 of 1818 🔗

That advert must have been a doozy for my wife to mention something to me (as she knows how enraged all this stuff gets me) after hearing it during a walk she took on Thursday.

373671 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 26, #262 of 1818 🔗

Morning all!

373774 ▶▶ Janette, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #263 of 1818 🔗

Haha

373946 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #264 of 1818 🔗

Gives a new meaning to cough up extra cash!

373673 PatrickF, 17, #265 of 1818 🔗

This could be a post, then again, it might not be, but possibly it is, but perhaps not, the evidence, or lack of evidence comes to a possible positive-negative conclusion, that maybe certain factors, if confirmed will demonstrate this to be true-false.

373674 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 25, #266 of 1818 🔗

Every morning I feel like I’m watching some kind of distorted pantomime after seeing the headlines. Complete bunch of incompetent lunatics running this country.
This Kent variant bullshit doesn’t appear to be washing with many so I hope it backfires on them. Until the next time.

373713 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #267 of 1818 🔗

They will start messaging about the Scottish Jacobin variant next, sweeping in from the north, scything and slicing and destroying. Anything to keep the fear mongering alive. Variant of the week.

374484 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FerdIII, 1, #268 of 1818 🔗

Scything and slicing sounds more like the Boadicea variant. At least they won’t have to go far for the photo op.

374656 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 3, #269 of 1818 🔗

TheTurdgeon variant. You get it from dry cleaning without an appointment.
The Dungford variant. You get it from buying tampons.
The Merkel variant.You get it from cloth face nappies.
The Macron variant. You get it after 6pm.
And so ad infinitum.

374153 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #270 of 1818 🔗

Maybe its what we deserve when we delegate the direction of our lives to snake oil salesmen. We could take responsibility for ourselves take some risks & not surrender our freedom for a false sense of security, but will we ever! History suggests not.

373678 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 28, #271 of 1818 🔗

I’m finding that the more we lockdown sceptics come under fire from Covid moral busybodies, the more sceptical I become.

373680 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Liz F, 5, #272 of 1818 🔗

nothing like a witch-hunt to make a martyr, is there

373694 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liz F, 10, #273 of 1818 🔗

Yes I am much the same but conversely, at the same time, the covid zealots become more entrenched in their position and so, like dug in armies, we face each other with apparently no means of breaking the impasses? I find I do not need any more articles, graphs or data presentations to convince me that this is all totally mad what I cannot see is how to break the deadlock and make any sort of progress back to sanity?
There must be some way out of here
Said the joker to the thief
There’s too much confusion
I can’t get no relief”
Maybe we just have to wait a few weeks until the figures look less scary and the spring weather starts to come through? Anybody got any good ideas?

373735 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liz F, 16, #274 of 1818 🔗

So true! I’ve decided I am not prepared to put up with this bollox any longer and if I get fined for breaking any restriction, I’m not paying it. The only way forward to to start saying No!

373782 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #275 of 1818 🔗

Excellent I think we all need to be doing this

373936 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #276 of 1818 🔗

Absolutely! Which is why I have family coming round this morning (who also have a healthy disregard for lockdown). We will hug, share food and sit together on the sofa. Blimey, who’d have thought that something so innocent could feel so subversive?!

374031 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #277 of 1818 🔗

The boys at Triggernometry (a Youtue duo) said recently once the vulnerable and higher age groups have all been vaccinated, that they’re going to stop following all the restrictions. I’m thinking of doing the same – not that I go out or do much as it is. There is a cut off point for the lockdown, and it’s up to us , not the government, to decide when that is.

373772 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Liz F, 5, #278 of 1818 🔗

Proves we have traction.

374155 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Liz F, #279 of 1818 🔗

village pond for you.

374179 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #280 of 1818 🔗

Sorry, can’t come out, I’m self-isolating.

373685 Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 30, #281 of 1818 🔗

From a researcher in a discussion group I belong to:

I’m getting some interesting information from some colleagues that have been working on the transmissibility of new variant COVID. It seems to be disappearing as quickly as it arrived. The rapid reduction in R has taken a lot of people by surprise considering new variant should have an R of 2.6 to 3.8. Also, it’s caught the attention of some incredibly bright people in virology and also some very, very hardcore mathematicians.

Why did new variant only peak at about 1.8? It’s not lockdown that’s the answer here because they are arguing new variant was here from *August*.

Essentially, it looks as if the new variant took hold in areas where old variant had not infected… as such, these people are arguing, it was not *more* transmissible, it was that the population were more susceptible. If new variant was that infectious, these people are struggling to understand is why there were not *more* cases.

In other words, something happened from transmission from South to North to render new variant less effective.

The garbage from SAGE/Imperial is actually the kicker here…. they can only isolate 8% of cases of new variant. Yet, it should be dominant by now – as SAGE said it would be.

Only it isn’t that dominant. We have the PCR test that detect it, so either ONS has ballsed it up (very doubtful), or, something happened to the virus. This is puzzling the hell out of the analysts. In plain English, it’s not taken hold for some reason and travelled up through the country as SAGE said it would.

One of the NERVTAG guys has broken cover… it’s very hard to read (I have no idea how he got the data but I recognise it) and I cannot argue with his charts.

Also, it explains why NERVTAG have gone all Fourth Horsemen on COVID… because they went early and tried to scare the bejessus out of people. They are doing the same now with the Saffer variant. In short, Imperial drew the wrong conclusion, new variant came and went for some reason.

373706 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 7, #282 of 1818 🔗

At the same time the Government have no idea how to run an effective balanced Public Health policy, no ability to manage a project and step back and evaluate data and information from a longer term strategic perspective. and so they are;
” infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. ”
They jump around like scalded cats at every bit of scientific tittle-tattle with no idea how to run a sensible public health policy. How do we end this cycle of dancing to the nonsense of all the scary predictions?

373931 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #283 of 1818 🔗

You would think the government is weak and letting all these vainglorious scientists take the lead with massive leaks from different meetings coming into journalists. They have succeeded again having all the flak and criticism directed to a bunch of diverse vain scientists glorifying themselves in media attention. Every time there is good news, government is in command, every time bad news with a massacre in our nursing homes, suddenly we have this “control” over to the scientists. Let us face the facts. This country with the most brilliant scientists, tradition in public health and science driven government policy has had the worst pandemic outcome in the world with the highest death. This with one of the highest GDP fall in the world. It is remarkable that the public still has not realized that they have spent more on the NHS during one year for a pandemic result which is one of the worst in the world. And the price of deaths from collateral damage with increase in cancer deaths etc will just increase. The government is in charge, not the scientists

That’s a very interesting post for me.
Thank you very much.
Could you perhaps keep us informed if you hear more whichever way it turns out?

373727 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), replying to TC, 6, #285 of 1818 🔗

Will do

373749 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 3, #286 of 1818 🔗

This region was not particularly hard hit in March April so ‘should’ have had a worse second spike. Despite Kent Covid being detected a month ago ‘cases’ have been going down for a week when Lockdown .3 is 50% complete at most.

373754 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 1, #287 of 1818 🔗

Who is the NERVTAG guy that has broken cover so I can try to find what he’s said? I agree the latest spike is just that rather than the shape of the previous curves. My area was very low went very high and has halved in two weeks, incidence was negligible until November lockdown.

373979 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 1, #288 of 1818 🔗

The amateur day traders are reacting to all the random fluctuations in the data.

That’s how I like to describe what is happening.

374163 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 1, #289 of 1818 🔗

Its a curious coincidence prof lockdown whose made a career out of being badly wrong resurfaced with the new “deadlier” mutant. Is he the fool fall guy?

374228 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 1, #290 of 1818 🔗

Brilliant post! Thank you.

373690 Julian, replying to Julian, 15, #291 of 1818 🔗

The updates above the line only now rarely feature a restatement of the basic case against lockdowns

Someone landing here for the first time would find mainly links to wishy washy or worse mainstream press articles with some barbed comments. Truly sceptical articles seem to be much rarer now than they were a few months ago

If the target audience above the line is at least in part those new to scepticism, I’m not sure they are getting the ideal message

373758 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Julian, 5, #292 of 1818 🔗

It seems a good idea to follow this policy at the moment. Basic indisputable facts rather than speculation. Gives less ammunition I think.

373692 Tim Bidie, 11, #293 of 1818 🔗

Right…..so pantsdown revised down his IFR in the light of real data, what the rest of us know as reality, but, worried that he might have overdone it again, is revising it up again….

His model seems a bit like that board game ‘Battleships’; he is making what, in gunnery terms, is known as a ‘bold correction’….and so the new strain is computed as both more infectious and considerably more deadly than the previous strain. Has he played Battleships with the other 10,000 strains yet? So much fun……

But then some spoilsport called ‘Hospital Admissions’…this is the equivalent of the ‘Spy’ in another board game, a maverick piece capable of killing all the other pieces except the most lowly (which we call the ‘General Public’, although, of course, in reality, hospital admissions…..)….goes down rather than up.

So we are invited to believe that a really infectious, really deadly mutant virus stalks the land, the ‘Kent covid’, while decreasing numbers of people are admitted to hospital?

Hang on…..we do, do we not, have some recent hard data from Kent when this deadly mutant first appeared, 15,560 lorry drivers mingling whilst munching Yorkie bars and swapping tall tales over all day breakfasts in a lorry park previously known as the M20…..and they were all tested….36 positives.

The ‘Battleships’ code appears to have a bit of a major glitch

Maybe try modelling something a bit simpler……perhaps ‘Happy Families’ a jolly nice card game that makes families happy while they go about their everyday lives, free as birds in a famously liberal democracy…..except that isn’t very realistic now either, is it?

The only thing that is realistic is that the prospect of May elections is putting the fear of God into this government, so they are, bless ’em, once more trying to put the fear of God into us to give them an excuse for another delay.

The longer they leave it before letting the voters have a word, the less they will like what the voters have to say……

373693 Julian, replying to Julian, 13, #294 of 1818 🔗

Things that used to be mentioned here often that are no longer mentioned often:
5G
David Icke
Piers Corbyn
The Bernician
Street protests in the UK against lockdown

373700 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Julian, 8, #295 of 1818 🔗

And on the other side:
Ventilators
Flatten the curve
Shop for your elderly neighbour
People have been dehumanised.

373696 Paulus, replying to Paulus, 27, #296 of 1818 🔗

So the ASA has taken exception to the Governments advert on joggers and doggers (sorry thinking Peter Kaye) and they have acted swiftly to stop the advert – next week. With a multi million pound firm behind this do you really think they got the rules wrong? The fact this will have run for several days and planted a seed is actually the point they clearly wanted another nudge. The advertising equivalent of telling a jury to forget a point they have just heard.

374787 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paulus, #297 of 1818 🔗

I was concerned about the delay!

373697 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #298 of 1818 🔗

I do object to being called a “lockdown SCEPTIC” when I stand unequivocally AGAINST lockdowns. Have been since DAY ONE. They are a cruel, anti-human shoehorn into authoritarian and anyone supporting them is either a true facist or brainwashed… no excuses now, the evidence mounts up day by day.

373704 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #299 of 1818 🔗

I’m not skeptical at all.Im totally against them.The government do not have the right to deprive me of liberty and livelihood to protect a failing state institution.

373710 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jonathan Palmer, 30, #300 of 1818 🔗

I am a Lockdown Rationalist. I know they don’t work and that they have killed circa 50K people in the UK.

I am a Covid Rationalist. I had it, know it is severe and know that vitamins, sunlight, UVc, exercise, water, and common sense can kill it. No need for vaxx’s for the vast majority, no need for fake tests to fuel hysteria.

I am Diaper Rationalist. I know they don’t work, make people ill from their own bacteria and Co2 and are religious symbols of obedience.

I refuse to submit to the Religion of the Covidiots. This is not scepticism alone, but a mixture of science and realism. We are science.

373954 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to FerdIII, 2, #301 of 1818 🔗

Same here

373971 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #302 of 1818 🔗

I oppose the LD, it’s illogical to have any skepticism towards this policy at all. LD itself, is completely illogical to anyone sane!

374114 ▶▶ Jo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #303 of 1818 🔗

I agree. It’s like being called “vaccine hesitant” when you knew before they were rolled out that you wouldn’t ever have it.

373699 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 18, #304 of 1818 🔗

LS Saturday, same format: negative article making us all feel suicidal, followed by graphs talking about ‘Covid cases’ for which there is no test; a small gem from Claire Craig; an attack on ‘lefties’ and a request for money. Can you please get some editorial control which concentrates on 1 thing, Lockdown Scepticism, please!!!

373806 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bungle, 17, #305 of 1818 🔗

There should never be any attacks on ‘lefties’ and I am certainly not one myself. I now find people like Melanie Phillips to be my sworn enemy and Lord Sumption to be my friend. All other political issues are frankly irrelevant compared to this. It has redrawn the political map totally. Until lockdowns are gone forever I have no interest at all in any other issues. As Laura Perrins said who cares about the shape of the coffee cups when the coffee shop is closed.

373874 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #306 of 1818 🔗

Yes, no traditional left or right anymore.
Those recognisable divisions were probably ended at least when Blair became PM.
The animals that are “more equal than other animals” have just changed their stripe.
Lockdown, like Brexit creates alliances between people who would not have been, perhaps, the most natural of friends.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend .

373701 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #307 of 1818 🔗

Sainsburys. Essential food shops and delivery must remain open.

Be warned if sainsburys make a mistake in their delivery to you they won’t correct it and leave you without food.

Hearing of an experience from a friend. They bought food to be delivered by sainsburys. They are organised and so buy ingredients to use together to create meals. Y’know, they cook.

They are not so mobile and do not like the atmosphere in shops nowadays. The forecast being for snow they tried, and now regret, using sainsburys.

They booked the earliest delivery slot five days away, a bit of a wait but acceptable – there’s a plague on etc..

When finally delivered many items were missing from the delivery. Paid for but not delivered. The sainsburys call centre could not have been more helpful – a refund of money or nothing. Since the next delivery slot was five days further away my friend had to get food elsewhere to complete recipes.

Who ever heard of an essential to life food delivery service saying – well, we had a go at delivering your food but we didn’t quite manage it, sorry, have your money back better luck next time.

373714 ▶▶ TC, replying to Basics, 11, #308 of 1818 🔗

We’ve tried the main four and in order of “best” (because they all make errors):

  1. Tesco
  2. ASDA
  3. Morrisons
  4. Sainsburys (very poor as you say).

May this nightmare be over soon.
I’m trying to persuade my wife to let me do the shopping in person now – Lidl is pretty good.

373725 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TC, 5, #309 of 1818 🔗

We’ve been using Tesco Click and Collect, we have to book a slot about 5 to 6 days before as its quite popular but I have to say we haven’t had any real problems with our order, other than a couple of niggles, but nothing major.

373769 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #310 of 1818 🔗

I have to book three weeks ahead, and as early in the morning as possible when the new slots come up. Still worth it. The local cc man is now quite an old friend.

373920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 1, #311 of 1818 🔗

Wow 3 weeks ahead! It must be very difficult to gauge what it is you’d need by then!

375235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, #312 of 1818 🔗

You can revise your order any time. I just grab the slot and order enough random items to confirm it. It’s nerve-racking, because you can never be certain you’ll get a slot, and nothing on this earth would get me to set foot in Zombie hell.

373737 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TC, 2, #313 of 1818 🔗

Good ‘charts’ thanks! Yes Lidl have been good.

Absolutely fine to make errors. Expected, given the variables within the system and the pressure. It is astonishing the option was to have a refund. A system ought to accommodate errors and be capable of correction.

373778 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to TC, 2, #314 of 1818 🔗

Personally, I just get up very early and use Tesco before the crowds arrive. I want to see and pick my own fresh produce.

373792 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to iane, #315 of 1818 🔗

My friend has been shopping for 84 years (give or take time in pram I suppose), she’s unable to in icy conditions.

374150 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to iane, 1, #316 of 1818 🔗

I either go 30 minutes after store opening or the final hour before closure although with the latter, the fresh food options are more limited.

373742 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Basics, 5, #317 of 1818 🔗

All food delivery services can have substitutions or omissions. It’s very frustrating but has been like that for the last 20 years with the 3 different services I use. I don’t see the reasoning behind it other than poor stock control systems; they certainly should not let you order something they don’t have.
In these days of not wanting to visit the dystopia which is the local superstore, I am ordering more options than I need and freezing or storing ingredients that are left over, if there are any.
Today’s delivery has just been announced to me as having no missing items which sound great until the driver has to withhold something too damaged to be useable.

373788 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to WasSteph, 1, #318 of 1818 🔗

As I tried to relate. The issue was there was no rectification.

What about a B team that corrects errors as it’s routine task.

If food is essential I would expect a matching responsible professionalism.

373762 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #319 of 1818 🔗

I still go live shopping daily but I only visit small supermarkets for those few items that my lovely local convenience store does not stock.

373775 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, 2, #320 of 1818 🔗

This is my route too. Independents where possible/affordable.

373841 ▶▶ court, replying to Basics, 1, #321 of 1818 🔗

I book Tesco 4 weeks ahead with delivery saver with 2 deliveries a week. They’re normally pretty good but every now and again they don’t deliver something weird like a loaf of bread. The computer said there wasn’t a suitable alternative so didn’t get a substitution. I refuse to believe there wasnt any bread in Tesco at 0700 on a Sunday when they picked it.

I’ve normally got enough of everything else to last till the next delivery, but I now keep a frozen loaf and 2pt semi frozen for when the system falls down.

373927 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to court, 1, #322 of 1818 🔗

We make sure our freezers (we now have 2 smallish ones) are always full.

373994 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Bella Donna, #323 of 1818 🔗

Same here added small freezer in garage for home produce. Also easy enough to pick up bulk onions/spuds etc locally. All in all Tesco have done well for us, I worked in food retail for seven years so understand the problems. OK for us in the sticks bigger problem in cities.

374243 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Basics, #324 of 1818 🔗

They never have the right cat litter, as my cats refuse to use a wood type. I know it’s not as bad as being without food by a long chalk but a headache if you have indoor cats and can’t get out to shops.

374806 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #325 of 1818 🔗

Petshops do mail order. There’s Pets at Home for example.

Or check out Zooplus. They have a huge range of brands.
I get my Swedish and German catfood from them. Much better quality than the mainstream UK stuff – though they do that too.

Bitiba is similar.

373703 RoseE, replying to RoseE, 37, #326 of 1818 🔗

Good Morning, good people. Yes, Yes, I know some of you say it’s futile to send letters to our MPs. However, I was so incensed, appalled and distressed by Poppy’s boyfriend’s plight (yesterday’s comments) that I winged off a letter (below). My MP is an Eton-Oxford crony of BJ. I wonder if I will get any reply at all?

Quote:

Here below I list the suppressions the Government has imposed on its people during the past year with the intention to contain a new seasonal virus which has not yet proven to be any more dangerous than the 1957 ‘Asian’ or the 1968 ‘Hong Kong’ influenza pandemics:

  1. Systematic deprivation of our freedoms, civil liberties, freedom of speech and human rights (there is a deafening silence from Amnesty International, which I have always thought to be a very transparent organisation; can this be due to Government suppression?)
  2. An unethical use of the Behavioural Insights Team’s (BIT) advice to ramp up fear in the population.
  3. An unethical deployment of 77th Brigade to suppress online ‘misinformation’. (“ One current priority is combating the spread of harmful, false and misleading narratives through disinformation. To bolster this effort, the British Army will be deploying two experts in countering disinformation ”, Ben Wallace, Defence Secretary)
  4. Encouraging Mainstream Media to ridicule and debase alternative and valid viewpoints, thereby not allowing any democratic debate.
  5. Advising the BBC to report in a manner which supports the Government’s position.
  6. Issuing unsubstantiated and distorted facts, statistics and figures without context.
  7. Destroying the education of a generation.
  8. Crippling the economy of a nation.
  9. Putting a healthy population under effective house arrest, turning on its head the explicit advice given in previous pandemic preparedness strategies.
  10. Creating a societal health epidemic which will be wide-ranging and devastating for decades to come (missed and delayed diagnoses, suicides, domestic abuse, alcoholism…I could go on).
  11. Creating defective immune systems nationwide because of our restrictions to the outdoors, exercise and exposure to bacterias, as is normal.
  12. Coercing a population into taking a novel gene therapy which has not yet finished its trials nor been tested on animals.
  13. Encouraging a Covid-only NHS and a GP workforce who have headed for their bunkers (what would we say if the army did the same during a national emergency?)
  14. Using PCR for testing which was never the intended purpose of PCRs (according to its inventor, Kary Mullis).

Surely these points alone must make you question the wisdom of keeping us locked up indefinitely or even intermittently?

Unquote.

373718 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RoseE, 10, #327 of 1818 🔗

Although my MP is next to ‘useless’ I continue to send her lots of emails because I don’t want her to think her silence can stop me!

373757 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #328 of 1818 🔗

I stopped emailing my spineless MP a couple of months ago.
I then realised why he voted with the government when the location of the G7 summit was announced…….

373765 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to bluemoon, 3, #329 of 1818 🔗

Yes; there is only a limited number of times one can bash one’s head against a brick wall before the pain becomes unbearable!

373809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to iane, 2, #330 of 1818 🔗

Maybe even Peter Hitchens can see that now.

373813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #331 of 1818 🔗

I hope so. I’ve sent loads of e-mails. Not aggressive or nasty, just forthright. It is a waste of time.

373795 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #332 of 1818 🔗

Good we all need to be doing this

374240 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #333 of 1818 🔗

I email mine every time there’s a new bit of bollocks.
I’ve made it clear to him that I dont want a reply – I’m contacting him so that when the reckoning comes he cannot claim ignorance of the harms and alternatives or say that he was acting with the approval of his constituents.

373763 ▶▶ Annie, replying to RoseE, 3, #334 of 1818 🔗

Well done, Rose, we have to keep plugging away.

374042 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to RoseE, 3, #335 of 1818 🔗

It does help to remind them they work for the people, not the other way around. I think this problem has been compounded by years and years of nanny state interference, big government and increasing levels of powers and control. But the people hold the power, not them. European (and British) aristocrats learned this lesson once before – it seems we will have to teach it to them again.

374493 ▶▶ Edward, replying to RoseE, 2, #336 of 1818 🔗

At the end of October, when the November lockdown was about to start, I emailed my MP to say that I no longer considered that we lived in a parliamentary democracy, but instead in a dictatorship ruled by decree. Therefore she no longer represented me in any sense and I would not be communicating again for the foreseeable future.

373709 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #337 of 1818 🔗
373797 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #338 of 1818 🔗

Wow that’s is fantastic

373733 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bella Donna, #341 of 1818 🔗

Nothing new!

373914 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #342 of 1818 🔗

Sophie Hill has documented all the cronyism here:

https://sophieehill.shinyapps.io/my-little-crony/

373730 karenovirus, 13, #343 of 1818 🔗

Four weeks after Christmas mingling and the outbreak of Kent Covid “which has a 50% chance of being 30% more deadly” deaths at the major regional hospital are still ticking over at between 0-1-2 per day just as they were in the autumn despite covids being shipped in from elsewhere in the country.

373731 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 27, #344 of 1818 🔗

I see the government stats show testing now around 4 million a week. But so called cases down 25 percent over the last 7 days. You would think that with testing still going up and cases down the media would be full of good news!? Obviously not, let’s keep the fear going with the new strain bull.
With 30,000 to 60,000 so called called cases every day for months, you would think even the thickest of the public would twig that the story doesn’t add up.
But…..the buffoon, handjob and his merry bunch of morons just keep the show rolling.
No surprise really, our useless leaders wasted three years over brexit, putting their own over inflated opinions ahead of the British people’s wishes, imagine they can keep this covid farce going for years as well.
Have a great day sceptics. My life goes on as much as normal as it can, kids visits, visiting parents, just common sense rules followed and trying to ignore the morons.

374048 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to John Ballard, 2, #345 of 1818 🔗

Once the total accumulated number of cases exceeds the population size, I wonder if the MSM will just keep going as normal? LOL.

374307 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #346 of 1818 🔗

64,303,048 as of yesterday, by the end of next week it will be over 70 mil. I’d like to see the proof of that many kits being used/issued.

373739 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 13, #347 of 1818 🔗

Fyi. This happened to us:
Day 1: daughter 24 yo not entirely well (a bit tired and a headache) and found she had been in contact with a person who got ill with Covid.9
Day 5: did a test
Day 6: came home to us. Usual hugs (I am 58, husband 67), sharing cars, doing things together
Day 10: daughters test came back positive (Christmas Eve).
Day 13 (so day 5 after initial contact with daughter) we did a Covid test as did her flat mates and their families.
All negative….
Day 30: I did an antibody test (Roche) and so did my daughter. Being a scientist I was interested.
Daughter very high antibody level ( so her test most likely a true positive test)
I did not have any, so most likely did not get infected despite close contact.

374313 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to MFvH, #348 of 1818 🔗

The study by scientists in Florida University found that out of 77,000 cases of individuals self isolating within family groups, where the person developed symptoms, the infection was passed on to non spousal family members only 18% of the time (30% for spouses).

So you pretty well had only a 1 in 5 chance of getting it from her.

374877 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MFvH, #349 of 1818 🔗

Bless those T-cells!

373746 Tom Blackburn, 2, #350 of 1818 🔗
373748 jos, 17, #351 of 1818 🔗

Maybe one good thing that will come out of this is that people have started to see the propaganda of the mainstream media for what it is and even those still watching the briefings find the whole thing more boring than fearful.

373753 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #352 of 1818 🔗

I was thinking that there’s always the appeal to national pride:

So how does it feel being stupider than a Swede? Or that a developing country in the middle of Africa is a lot smarter than the so-called “best in the world” scientists of the UK?

That a poorer colder country in Eastern Europe so badly affected by nuclear disasters is head and shoulders above Cambridge and Oxford when it comes to common sense.

Stupid UK. Idiots United.

373781 ▶▶ l835, replying to mhcp, 7, #353 of 1818 🔗

We can take pride in being “world beating” stupid.

373799 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mhcp, 11, #354 of 1818 🔗

Stupider Than a Swede
Barmier Than a Belarussian
Sillier Than a South Dakotan

374468 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mhcp, 1, #355 of 1818 🔗

South Dakotans not so silly based on the Governor.

374882 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #356 of 1818 🔗

Surely that was the point?

373875 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to mhcp, 5, #357 of 1818 🔗

What I still have trouble understanding is how ‘high IQ’ countries in Asia like South Korea and Japan still go along with this BS after all this time, and after all the real-world data has come to light. I look at discussion groups from there and they’re still acting like it’s March 2020. They must have the same data we do. Now it’s true they don’t have any lockdowns or harsh restrictions, but the media is still creating hysteria over a few hundred cases and there seems to be virtually NO public opposition at all! All I see is a mass of masked sheep. As a former long-term resident I once thought highly of these nations as being world leaders in science subjects…

373974 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #358 of 1818 🔗

I think it’s a delusion of importance. We are smart as a nation so we must be right. And once we say we are right we cannot backtrack.

374058 ▶▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to mhcp, #359 of 1818 🔗

YES! I think that’s definitely it. Plus heaps of praise from the West to reaffirm that ego.

374463 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mhcp, 2, #360 of 1818 🔗

The woke have captured the academy. Cambridge has more science (i.e. hard) Nobel prizes than any country apart from USA, UK (obviously) and Germany and yet it’s fully committed to thermageddon too. I’ve told them not to expect anything in my will!

373764 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #361 of 1818 🔗

Last night I asked for thoughts about the supposed supply issues causing the ‘pause’ between medical interventions of gene therapy one and two (vaccines).

People were kind enough to share their thoughts which, reduced down for brevity, amount to 1) there is no reason to trust what we are told 2) it is a delay tactic to extend economic devastation 3) it is really rather fishy.

Has anyone further thoughs about the ‘pause’ and it’s reason.

I am purely speculating but it feels the pause may well have been designed into the vaccination programme long before the pause was alegedly arrived at.

What are the medical consequences for delaying between doses, these vaccines were not intended to have the delay afterall.

Thanks to commenters last night. This has me puzzled and curious.

373785 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 7, #362 of 1818 🔗

My wife and I were talking about this as doctors in her unit said the same thing. Why the change in dosage when clearly the working instructions are not to do it. They are worried about efficacy and liabilty. It doesn’t fill them with confidence.

I think the pause is due to logistics. They can’t get the vaccines out fast enough and have realised that lags and long-lead times are appearing. So they think it’s okay to delay rather than realise that it nullifies their use.

The same thing happened with smart motorways. The trial had safe places to stop every half a mile (I believe) but then it was implemented elsewhere with 1.5 mile stopping places which completely changes the traffic dynamics.

Like I’ve said: Stupid UK

373801 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mhcp, 4, #363 of 1818 🔗

I just recalled a great comment from last night.

By not dosing in the correvt time manufacturer liability is totally gone – we know that has already been waived.

Separately posted was this article which is sort relevant to this pioneer Medicine By Madness.

Helsinki Committee from Israel has declared the Pfizer vaccine is little more than unauthorised human experimentation.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295134
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295134

374280 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basics, 3, #364 of 1818 🔗

My view is that it is now known/suspected that adverse reactions are likely to be more severe after the second dose. The Government is still playing the card that even one dose is highly effective but they can avoid/delay giving a second dose which might trigger suspicions when so many people die or fall seriously ill.

By delaying the second dose, it provides an opportunity for other countries to fall foul of the anticipated problem and lead to a worldwide change to the vaccination protocol. The UK Government can then avoid any litigation claims and the roll out protocol can be changed to one dose only. It would be a win/win for the UK Government.

374805 ▶▶▶ Alex, replying to Dodderydude, #365 of 1818 🔗

Yes, exactly my thoughts too…

374890 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dodderydude, #366 of 1818 🔗

Surely the other countries aren’t more stupid than the UK. Why would they fall for it?

373766 Alpine, replying to Alpine, 30, #367 of 1818 🔗

Morning all 🙂
I veer between some cautious optimism (eg when I see people living their lives), and dystopian nightmare.
I work closely with GPs, in the field of mental health.
Yesterday we had a meeting at a GP practice to discuss cases. The surgery was closed for a couple of hours and we sat in the large and spacious waiting room, far apart from one another. Most of the GPs moved between wearing their masks, and not. I don’t wear one.
At one point came a knock on one of the glass panels of the waiting room. It was a policewoman (? police person in what looked like a female body), dressed in ordinary clothes (off duty?). She held her police badge up, and pointed to our faces intimating we should put our masks on.
My colleagues scrabbled to put masks on, they handed me one (which stayed on the chair next to me, thankyouverymuch) and the police person/power-trip-freak moved on.
My colleagues seemed able to return to our conversation quickly, most removed their masks again when the police person turned the corner.
I was left feeling very disturbed.
It’s the experience of the police state. Utterly chilling. I won’t be bullied in this way.
I dissent!

374429 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Alpine, 2, #368 of 1818 🔗

no words for this madness! Did your colleagues not think this was an over-reach of the plod?

374733 ▶▶▶ Alpine, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #369 of 1818 🔗

Yes, they did, but they also sort of laughed it off, and that was also disturbing. I thought ‘how have we got to a place where you’re swallowing this shit so easily?’

373767 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 51, #370 of 1818 🔗

Today’s blackboard:

Open for Business!

Teas, Coffees, Hot Chocolates,
Teacakes, Crumpets Traybakes.

Strictly not served to the benches 🙂

I fully expect a visit from the police.

373791 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 15, #371 of 1818 🔗

How I wish I could have breakfast in your cafe! Bit of a long trip from down here though …

I hope you have a busy day (with customers rather than police pretended to do police work).

373798 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 12, #372 of 1818 🔗

Thanks TJN. I suspect that an attempt was made at entrapment earlier in the week. And the council goon’s attempt at discreet photography was hysterical.

373814 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 15, #373 of 1818 🔗

I have great respect for you, kh – keep going, you’re one of the people who will help stop this lockdown.

373835 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 15, #374 of 1818 🔗

And our T&Cs on our COVID menu:

By ordering food/drink from us, you are agreeing to the following T&Cs:

I am purchasing food/drink to consume while I rest after having a long walk;
I will not loiter in the park and will return home after a reasonable break from my walk;
I am not currently suffering from any Coronavirus symptoms.

The good news is that there is already water ingress on the signs forbidding the ‘non-essential’ use of the benches. Within a few days, they will probably be unreadable, not that they made any difference yesterday!

373845 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 12, #375 of 1818 🔗

Step away from that watering can! Put it on the ground! Slowly raise your hands!

373895 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to bluemoon, 3, #376 of 1818 🔗

I suppose they are too damp to burn? Just a thought ….

373865 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 4, #377 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps you could do a Fawlty Towers and rearrange the letters on those signs they put up yesterday. From Stay At Home you can get Meaty Oaths!

373917 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 5, #378 of 1818 🔗

Farty Towels still makes me laugh to this day!

373912 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #379 of 1818 🔗

kh, I am awestruck!

373921 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, #380 of 1818 🔗

do you have a watering can?

373996 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 2, #381 of 1818 🔗

And the snow forecast for tomorrow might change the situation a bit… (actually will seriously reduce your footfall).

374022 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #382 of 1818 🔗

Oh to cheer you up. You don’t know how lucky you are to even have a sign outside on which to advertise your trade.

Here, the council banned all pavement advertising (except their own). Even if you are a shop up a side street from the main drag and rely on the sign for your livelihood it had to go.

On the morning of the grand banning cctv vans with periscope cameras out of the roof drove the entire road network with the camera trained at the pavement. Footage was reviewed and penalty notices sent out for offending boards.

You don’t know how lucky you are!

374100 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 3, #383 of 1818 🔗

I don’t feel ‘lucky’ right now. I may be able to express my snark but it’s not much use when takings are 90-95% down.

373771 karenovirus, 12, #384 of 1818 🔗

Shame we can’t set the Advertising Standards Authority on the whole Daily Briefing lie fest.

373776 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 5, #385 of 1818 🔗

The latest from Dr Reiner Fuellmich (via Howard Steen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7wUmKjnih4&feature=youtu.be

373867 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to SimonCook, 6, #386 of 1818 🔗

BTW a great video. Good to hear from someone in Israel, a lawyer who is also a sceptic explaining what is happening in his country. I particularly liked how he explained people like him being the light in the darkness!

373777 Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #387 of 1818 🔗

Interesting comments thread on the reddit Covid-19 site, under an official post by the ONS regarding the New Variant:

https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/l2mj3w/coronavirus_covid19_infection_survey_uk/

Several commentators make the point that there must be a dominant variant anywhere, simply by chance, not necessarily due to its being more infectious.

373779 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 14, #388 of 1818 🔗

BBC good news propaganda bit is about a severely over weight young couple with covid getting engaged in hospital. Shouldn’t the message be – take care of yourself to avoid complications of covid or indeed any lifestyle induced disease.
Stay thin. Protect the NHS. Stave your own life.

373908 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephen Williams, 8, #389 of 1818 🔗

The Great Big Fat Covviwedding!

374250 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Stephen Williams, 2, #390 of 1818 🔗

From what I saw, “severely overweight” is an understatement. As it seems with all these featured ‘cases’ we were told that, shortly after, the bloke’s condition deterioriated and he had to be placed on a ventilator. Even if true, there are ‘ventilators’ and there are ‘ventilators’. In some cases it just means an external automated mechanism for providing a more fortified oxygen supply. In the worst cases it involves placing the patient in a coma and using a tracheostomy tube to provide a fully automated breathing function, and an oesophageal feeding tube (that is if the nursing staff succeed in avoiding placing this in the lungs and drowning the patient). I am sure that fearful viewers will always see the second type of ventilator in their mind’s eye and the media does nothing to provide reassurance.

373783 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 37, #391 of 1818 🔗

Today I’m more depressed and stressed than I have been for a while. The lies just keep on coming, bigger and bigger and people swallow them – are eager for them almost. Even things that might be broadly true are exaggerated out of all proportion.
I’m reminded of that adage “A lie is halfway around the world whilst the truth is putting on its shoes”. Genies don’t go back in bottles, people believe what they are told because it’s scientists and the PM behind a podium with a catchy slogan.
I know some of you say we are close to tipping point but I just don’t see it. The time is long passed for some ministers with integrity to resign and give a roasting resignation speech. None of them have any integrity or at best are as thick as pigsh*t and I can’t forgive in either case.
I now don’t believe a single word uttered by anybody in government or PHE. If Hands on Cock told me the sun rose in the east I’d struggle to believe him.

373789 ▶▶ zubin, replying to WasSteph, 15, #392 of 1818 🔗

Try not to dwell on “them” and focus on living as freely as you can for yourself.

373794 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to WasSteph, 10, #393 of 1818 🔗

I’m living on hope of a huge turn in public opinion come April. If not, I will be an eternal pessimist.

373906 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #394 of 1818 🔗

We’ve been living on that ever-retreating hope for months. I think it will be more like the crack in the damn: first a trickle, then a stream, then a torrent, then a crumbling collapse.
Keep on hoping.

373796 ▶▶ TJN, replying to WasSteph, 12, #395 of 1818 🔗

“A lie is halfway around the world whilst the truth is putting on its shoes”

But in order to stay ahead of the Truth the liars have to tell bigger and bigger lies, until eventually the whole thing topples over. That’s what they are doing now, and topple over it will.

374006 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TJN, 5, #396 of 1818 🔗

This reminds me of Billy Connellys joke. If you want to know how someone feels, try walking a mile in his shoes. And then if you disagree who fucking cares, you are a mile away and you have his shoes!!

373800 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to WasSteph, 4, #397 of 1818 🔗

Spot on feel exactly the same

373807 ▶▶ l835, replying to WasSteph, 22, #398 of 1818 🔗

But the lies are now so big and blatant that they are now unsustainable. The ASA have made them withdraw at least one advert, and Doctors openly challenging the delay in the second vaccination. The government propaganda has exhausted credibility

373817 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to l835, 7, #399 of 1818 🔗

I’ve also noticed the radio ads are getting less and those left are shorter

373976 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to WasSteph, 5, #400 of 1818 🔗

I’ve been that way since the Graph of Doom which actually made me laugh out loud in its perposterousness. I would go out and check the sun just to make sure.

373999 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to WasSteph, 12, #401 of 1818 🔗

We all have bad days. I don’t want to go all hippy on you but I have found i was getting into arguments on YouTube about lockdown and then struggled to sleep and waking up in a real fug. I then read about how Buddhist deal with stuff. The main two points I took away were.

1: Why get angry about things you cannot control. If a car cuts you up screaming and shouting at a driver who cannot hear you and has no effect on them. Shouting at the TV because a politician has made a decision you don’t agree with is illogical. What can I do to change this? Nothing, so why waste anger on it? Only care about things YOU can control and have influence on.
2. Carrying Anger around inside is like Carrying a burning hot coal in your hand with a view to throw it at someone who has made you angry. There is only one person getting burned.

I found this calmed me down, also being able to share views on here really helped, thanks all if you.

373784 Paulus, replying to Paulus, 30, #402 of 1818 🔗

The change in WHO guidance around PCR and the recommended return to the basics of diagnosis requiring medical history, symptoms and a test to arrive at a diagnosis seems to have gone very quiet. This is probably our most valuable tool as overnight the number of “cases” would drop significantly, collectively I think this is the agenda that needs to be questioned, challenged and pushed as it is the antidote to the narrative.

374457 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Paulus, 1, #403 of 1818 🔗

Absolutely, I was expecting (hoping for) a lot of fallout from that. First year clinical medicine student would be ashamed to be making a diagnosis the way it is currently being done for COVID. If you are well you are not ill basically.

373802 sprinter, replying to sprinter, 2, #404 of 1818 🔗

Did anyone see the interview with Devi Shridhar yesterday afternoon?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000s3hl/bbc-news-special-coronavirus-update-22012021

20 mins in at 16:51 she says lockdowns are “the most crude and destructive mechanism we could be using to suppress this virus”.

Has she become a Lockdown Sceptic?

373981 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to sprinter, 3, #405 of 1818 🔗

Has she woken up to the concept of “CYA”?

374011 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to sprinter, 2, #406 of 1818 🔗

I fucking HATE this Opinionated know nothing Birch!!

373811 Will, replying to Will, 18, #407 of 1818 🔗

I am quite chipper this morning. O’Brien’s interventions are increasingly looking like desperation and even the absurd Ferguson knows his latest predictions are complete nonsense. The Zoe app, ONS and the hospital data are clearly showing the outbreak from the Sheppy prisons is on the wane and, on top of all the data, I only have to look out of my window at all the traffic to know that the virus is virusing and the lockdown has the square root of f’ck all to do with controlling it; and many, many more people know that lockdown is not being observed.

374428 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, 2, #408 of 1818 🔗

Via someone who works in those prisons it was all balls anyway. Invented scare story.

373812 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #409 of 1818 🔗

I just noticed something about this new claim that the new variant may be more deadly.

It seems that they are saying it’s only in men aged over 60 years old.

If this is the case then all they’ve done is look at the data and found a specific group that it appears to be more deadly for to support their new narrative.

Needs a closer look but if it is more deadly then it should show across all deaths not just one particular subset.

373818 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #410 of 1818 🔗

There confidence in the claim that it may be more lethal is fifty percent (or less), which is no better than my confidence that if I toss a coin it will land heads.

373836 ▶▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #411 of 1818 🔗

Surely the statement “could” be more infectious is binary. Either it’s more infectious or otherwise isn’t. So then to state that they only have 50% confidence in their statement is nigh on to saying it is definitely more infectious or it’s less infectious.

So stating the bloody obvious or in fact saying nothing.

Still they’ve frightened enough people so that’s OK.

373851 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to b_sceptic, 5, #412 of 1818 🔗

They expect the majority to listen to the headline/soundbite, and to not notice any detail.

373846 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #413 of 1818 🔗

This talk of confidence levels comes across as bluster and misdirection to me.

It’s pretty clear they’re spinning a yarn and are a bit short on thread.

373862 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #414 of 1818 🔗

and they haven’t factored in false positives from PCR which will ultimately impact the “death for any reason with covid test”

373939 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #415 of 1818 🔗

My chances went from 10 in 10,000 to 13 in 10,000 apparently. I’m really frightened now.

374319 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #416 of 1818 🔗

I have just seen the new advert “Look them into the eyes”.
Was it mainly black men needing oxygen?

As reading Lockdown with tv on in the background, only paid attention half way through.

374982 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #417 of 1818 🔗

BAMEs have more sense than to go for the “vaccine” so they’re now being targeted bigtime.

373815 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 32, #418 of 1818 🔗

For those who haven’t seen it, here’s the new advert mentioned in today’s update. Notice the instruction to “look into his eyes” – those striking, photoshopped eyes which are intended to immediately draw the attention and hold the reader’s gaze. Then follows the guilt trip – this man is suffering, how dare you downplay the risks? How dare you start to relax when our most vulnerable are dropping like flies, overloading our precious NHS?

Next we are treated to the pseudoscience – people without symptoms can spread it, so lock yourselves away unless you want to be responsible for more Tonys. Confusion is introduced as a psychological weapon to unsettle the reader, “are you absolutely positive you’re not one of them?” Also – the word “positive” is inserted intentionally to subconsciously encourage the reader to think of “positive test” or “Covid positive.” It’s clear manipulation of a highly suggestible populace.

Finally, the short, snappy solution to this problem – obey the rules at all times, don’t think outside the box (that’s dangerous), in fact don’t think at all – just follow the path we have carved out for you over months of conditioning and brutal psychological assaults, and all will be well.

My verdict – this Goebbelsian propaganda has no place in civilised society. It’s evil, it’s manipulative, it’s proof that the government is openly engaging in terrorism against its own citizens. Adverts such as these must be documented as evidence when these bastards are eventually hauled before the courts for their crimes against humanity.

373827 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 16, #419 of 1818 🔗

Agree. This is all propaganda and smacks of desperation. Is it because more and more people are getting fed up and have stopped believing them?

This is large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy and the NHS should be prosecuted for false advertising and abuse.

Plus given their constant begging for money, why then do they have the funds to put out misleading and emotionally manipulative adverts like this?

373830 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Scotty87, 13, #420 of 1818 🔗

Julius Streicher was found guilty of crimes against humanity by the Nuremberg Tribunal. The prosecution had accused him of propaganda; he claimed he had produced journalism. They hanged him for his words, anyway.

373877 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #421 of 1818 🔗

He was a horrid, foul-mouthed, foul-minded thug. Not a bit like our lot.
Was he now?

373944 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 4, #422 of 1818 🔗

He was a school teacher, a military officer, a journalist/editor and a multi-millionaire.

374510 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 2, #423 of 1818 🔗

Not like that nice Paul Dacre- no profanity ever passed his lips.

373853 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Scotty87, 11, #424 of 1818 🔗

In design terms this visual is a fail. It does not connect, it does not help public health. It does attack the public mind in that it produces conscious thoughts of who the fuck is giving that message. The bloke in the picture is being used, you are looking at a puppets/actors eyes – this is a disaster for the intention of the campaign.

Gut reaction is to sense it is contrived andmanipulative. All the things great design is not.

Junk. From the ad agency of more money than any of us including mrs poorly in his mask can ever dream of. Perhaps the ad agency might like to reduce fees so more nhs PPE, vulnerable people can be vaccined or even so children may not go hungry. Take the money and run ad agency goons. Yes to trial for them and the committee signing this rancid pap off.

373918 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Basics, 11, #425 of 1818 🔗

Trouble is, it did connect to me – for the wrong reasons. It brought back very painfully, my guilt at my family and I having abandoned our elderly mother back in March, because we obeyed the instruction to ‘stay home’ rather than travel and continue to provide the care she needed. It has made my grief all the more painful this morning.

374562 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, 2, #426 of 1818 🔗

Most people (including me) are probably more susceptible to advertising than they like to think. But I agree, that picture is absolute rubbish as advertising, a blatantly obvious attempt at manipulation. Likewise the “scary mutant variant” stuff suggests cheap science fiction not to be taken seriously

373872 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 5, #427 of 1818 🔗

Documented? It’ll take decades just to sort through the damning evidence.

374020 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Scotty87, 2, #428 of 1818 🔗

At first glance, I thought it was duct tape. That image needs hijacking to highlight the abuse and murder of our frail and elderly

374302 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Scotty87, 3, #429 of 1818 🔗

This advert came up on our TV this morning on an ad break and me and wife just sat there pointing and chanting “lies, lies,lies, bullshit, lies”. We do this every time one of these pathetic fear porn ads comes on. They are so over the top now its obvious that its all bollocks.

374374 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Scotty87, 4, #430 of 1818 🔗

In a real pandemic these kind of adverts wouldn’t not be necessary if there was clear evidence of a dangerous disease around. A real pandemic doesn’t need a marketing campaign.

373821 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 22, #431 of 1818 🔗

When they announced the new strain last month, I was thinking to myself that maybe this is because of a fall in ‘compliance’ and they need to scare people some more, get more people onboard with the vaccine, etc. Now with the new “more deadly strain” message, I’m even more suspicious that this is again because of a fall in compliance. More people are fed up with this BS than ever. They’ve either done the research (at last) and started to question the narrative, or they’re just tired of the fear-porn and want to get on with their lives. Either way, I think this ‘flak is heaviest over the target’ saying might be ringing true here. Assuming there is a way out of this, we can assume that things are going to get really brutal before it’s over. Watch out for flak, but stay true and hit your targets!

373829 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Vir Cotto, 21, #432 of 1818 🔗

Governments are trapped.

How to admit at this stage that we can get on with life, that the risks aren’t really that big?

They can’t. They’re trapped.

The Swedes predicted it. Lockdowns are a strategy with mo exit.

373833 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Vir Cotto, 13, #433 of 1818 🔗

By constantly ramping up the different Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus versions they’re hoping that people will be scared into compliance.

I seriously doubt this is working but the fact that the government are doing this and refusing to name an exit date, they’re desperate and setting themselves up for trouble.

I said on New Year’s Day that things will get ugly from 1 January. And I still stand by that, I think now that lockdown will end by force.

373886 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #434 of 1818 🔗

The wildcard in all of this is the sentiment of the people.

We know what the politicians are going to be doing – they’re not changing course.

But will the public continue to succumb to the constant ratcheting up of pressure and of fear? Hard to tell. What is more likely to happen a revolt or the total crushing of the human spirit? There are instances of both in history.

My sense is that the government has enough tools at its disposal to release pressure when needed without fundamentally changing anything. But what do I know.

373992 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Vir Cotto, 4, #435 of 1818 🔗

Everyone I have spoken to have woken up and said this is now just blatant scaremongering. Many don’t believe it anymore, myself included. Plus no one I know is obeying the lockdown. Boris and his chums are getting desperate.

373822 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #436 of 1818 🔗

I think it was around September that I decided it was no longer my role in life to unstupid people

I have developed a number of coping strategies (as the babblers of physco might say) to deploy during my encounters with Covidians

Each day I take an 8 mile walk from the village to the local town centre and back

The mime

Yesterday the mime was deployed before I had even left the village

Obviously the object of the exercise is not to speak. Based loosely on the late great Marcel; I carry a red carnation but consider going full white face cultural appropriation

This routine is reserved for the timid Covidians. I can spot them coming from 200 yards away. Heads bowed they shuffle their feet. Their life is a drudge because their leader has told them it must be so

For some reason the drudges all wear green parka coats and Velcro fastened shoes ordered from the Mills and Boon catalogue. The drudges coat hoods are always up, even when the sun is shining.

I put on my sad face. I’m asked how I am. I open my mouth and then fan it with my hand as though I just consumed a really hot chilli

The tears well in my eyes and this is reciprocated by the Covidian

“You look sad, did someone die?”

I nod manically

“Of covid? Is that who the flower is for?

I nod manically again, I clutch my clothing at the chest and place my other arm around an imaginary small person

“A child?”

At this point I start crying hysterically (with a little hint of a Mandy smile) and the Covidian joins in

I walk on

The full snot

(Stick with it I’ve got nothing else better to do and neither have you)

This is only ever deployed in the semi crowded town centre

I empty the contents of my nose on the pavement

I do it al la rugby player, one finger is pressed against a nostril whilst the contents of the other nostril is expelled

I think one is supposed to lean forward as one does this in order to avoid getting snot down the front of ones fleece

I tend to go 70/30. 70% (ah percentages again) on the pavement and 30% on my fleece

It’s great being Radioactive Man for a day

He died/She died

On my return to the village I sit in the bus stop

It is usually around 20 minutes before the first Coronabusybody appears

The CB’s are all female and younger than the drudges

Although none of the CB’s live more than 300 yards from the bus stop they are permanently dressed in thousands of pounds of designer all weather mountain gear

None of the CB’s have never even seen a mountain let alone been up one. If it wasn’t for the fact we are only 100 meters above sea level they would be carrying ice axes

Anyway, I tell CB1 that Mrs Miggins has died

“Yes she developed a cough at midday yesterday, dead by 3pm”

As soon as they have the news they can’t get away quick enough, the word must be spread

When CB2 turns up I tell them of another equally fictitious covid deceasement

I can knock out about 10 of these stories a day

The OH and I are running a book on how long it takes for the news of the these ficticious deaths to be relayed back to us by a sombre faced Covidian. They are running at an average of three and a half days at the moment

Anyway, Stay safe, I’m off to the pub

373844 ▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 20, #437 of 1818 🔗

My favourite is to ask a fellow shopper if an item I’ve picked up from the shelf (banana, candle, whatever) smells alright, as I lost my sense of smell when I started coughing.

373943 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cecil B, 4, #438 of 1818 🔗

all very humorous and i hope fictitious. if true then all you are doing is extending the twitter and facebook myths about people dying . all these people that you speak to and all the people they then speak to believe that these deaths have occurred and so it reinforces their perception that covid is killing everyone and the government must crack down harder

373824 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #439 of 1818 🔗

Just seen a HCW talk about a possible “postcode lottery” arising from the different quality of facemasks people may be using.

So before any old rag was better than nothing but now we’re being told that they should be proper masks it’s become a lottery of risk.

I can’t help laughing at how ridiculous it’s all becoming.

373897 ▶▶ iane, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #440 of 1818 🔗

More like crying in my case!

373825 stewart, replying to stewart, 27, #441 of 1818 🔗

The optimism of the vaccine didn’t last long.

Now that our idiotic governments have discovered that it won’t actually solve anything, they are even more trapped, and even more aggressively defending their position and ever more dangerous.

373831 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, 6, #442 of 1818 🔗

A cornered a rat will go for your throat.

I don’t know if true of the genus Rattus.

373952 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 3, #443 of 1818 🔗

They don’t. They jump for the nearest bit of free air and often miss and use their teeth as an anchor. Rats use their teeth and tail in smart ways since their teeth are super strong.

373837 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to stewart, 11, #444 of 1818 🔗

Addiction is a serious problem. It can lead to irrational behaviour, inability to think critically, unable to see whats right in front of you – and it can take you a lifetime to figure out you’ve got a problem. These politicians and advisers may be addicted to covid, they’ve got the kind of tunnel vision that causes pilots to fly planes into the ground at full speed because they’re obsessively looking at the instruments instead of looking out the window. We’re in a danger zone here.

373847 ▶▶ alw, replying to stewart, 7, #445 of 1818 🔗

It is not a vaccine but a prophylactic. The success rate is in doubt. What is the point of giving to frontline workers as it will not protect them from transmitting the virus. What is the point of giving to the frail elderly who could be taken at any moment by flu/pneumonia. In any event it is more important to ensure their quality of life rather than quantity. In addition as you get older your body cannot cope with large quantities of medication. If there is any truth in report on these pages yesterday that 20 out of a total of 60 residents at a care home in the UK passed away within weeks of receiving their jabs, we must stop the program for them as they have done in Sweden and Norway.

373826 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #446 of 1818 🔗

Hancocks home – the red room. Scene of his lunatic zoom interviews. Appears to have no door.

373838 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Basics, 5, #447 of 1818 🔗

We can only dream 🙂

373856 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 1, #448 of 1818 🔗

Is he sitting on the toilet in the red room?

373898 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 3, #449 of 1818 🔗

Counting his money?

373832 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 11, #450 of 1818 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/it-almost-over-us-sees-record-one-day-drop-covid-hospitalizations

Follow the money as ever – both Bank of America and Goldman’s now calling the end of the pandemic….shock horror Goldman’s even managed to call the curve of hospital admissions a month ago.

373850 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #451 of 1818 🔗

Off Guardian recently ran a piece theorising that this whole situation is to do with the collapse of the US dollar and the US empire, an interesting read but leaves many unanswered questions: https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/

373858 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to norfolksceptic, 12, #452 of 1818 🔗

Fascinating that this occured the moment Trump left office. One would almost think that the two items were severely-related…

373894 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RichardJames, 4, #453 of 1818 🔗

Richard I feel sure this could only be a coincidence 😂

374117 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to norfolksceptic, 2, #454 of 1818 🔗

They better tell 46 then… after saying he could easily “crush the… uhm.. thingy.. what is it now? oh yeah virus, that’s it, isn’t it?…” now he says, “nothing we can do” about it!
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/promises-made-promises-broken-biden-now-says-nothing-we-can-do-change-pandemic-trajectory

373839 JHUNTZ, 26, #455 of 1818 🔗

Sorry this comment has triggered the life out of me from Lucan Grey. It’s in response to lady on talk radio who contemplated suicide as lockdown brought back childhood trauma:-

“Time to get over the trauma then.
Awareness of mental health issues is great, but the idea is that you then take time to fix them. Or you make changes to avoid that issue affecting others. Not expect the rest of the world to change to fit around you.”

What an odious vile individual you are. You have absolutely no idea what took place in her childhood. She may well have been ‘over it’ until this completely unprecedented issue of lockdown took place. The problem she had was the rest of the world did change at the drop of a hat.

You are absolutely vile and I hope you see this.

373849 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #456 of 1818 🔗
373860 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Basileus, 48, #457 of 1818 🔗

Outstanding

373880 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Paulus, 9, #458 of 1818 🔗

Very good.
However, as I posted above, we need to complain to the ASA about the ads. They are an insult to those of us who are grieving because we did stay home and let someone die unnecessarily.

373882 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Paulus, 6, #459 of 1818 🔗

Magnificent, Paulus.

373893 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Annie, 7, #460 of 1818 🔗

Not mine, just thought it was easier for folks to see Basileus’s post. Agree complaints need to be raised with the ASA for those grieving, those ill and those suffering with their mental health, the govs approach is dangerous

373919 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Paulus, 2, #461 of 1818 🔗

Perfectly turned around

374014 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Paulus, 4, #462 of 1818 🔗

Brilliant, but needs to be even harder hitting. The second and third panel are a bit vague.

374035 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #463 of 1818 🔗

Maybe something like this.
And tell her she can’t say goodbye

374071 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Basileus, 1, #464 of 1818 🔗

Nice to see some more reverse propaganda! This is the stuff we need right now. Boy I wish I owned a printing factory..

373852 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 64, #465 of 1818 🔗

.

373854 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 18, #466 of 1818 🔗

And this, is exactly why I love this site!!!

373884 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to kh1485, 5, #467 of 1818 🔗

I hope this is attached to the deadly vector of disease near your cafe

373902 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paulus, 6, #468 of 1818 🔗

With the Prof’s kind permission, certainly!

374578 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 1, #469 of 1818 🔗

I think someone needs to replace the signs on the bench near you with signs bearing these words.

373876 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #470 of 1818 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

373883 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #471 of 1818 🔗

💯

373859 DanClarke, 7, #472 of 1818 🔗

If only we could get rid of Ferguson and his models. They’re opening new Labs soon and want investment. He’s already ruined too much of the UK

373861 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #473 of 1818 🔗

My 76 year old father is v happy to be heading for his “jab” today. It`s when they start going for primary school age children for vaccinations (as they will) then we need to resist this global eugenics experiment but i fear resistance is now just whistling in the wind.

Next stop,gates puppet johnson and his two ronnies to announce that all over 70 year olds to gather at train stations at 3am. Will never forgive these political, establishment and esp Tory scum.

373889 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 7, #474 of 1818 🔗

DO NOT REPORT AT THE UMSCHLAGPLATZ FOR DEPORTATION.
NEXT STOP AUSCHWITZ.

374004 ▶▶ tarfu, replying to nickbowes, 1, #475 of 1818 🔗

Just steer clear of the shower block.
(Sorry Nick, couldn’t help but add to your black humour)

373863 embergalaxy, replying to embergalaxy, 18, #476 of 1818 🔗

Every time the hopelessness sets in I come on here and listen to all you reasonable folks. I seem to be surrounded by idiots controlled by the media, sucking it all in like it’s nectar of the gods. No body seems to be able to see, are we are special breed of people for being able to see the lies? Or is everyone else so far down the rabbit hole they have no idea that they are even in there?

373890 ▶▶ iane, replying to embergalaxy, 11, #477 of 1818 🔗

Basically there are now two breeds of humans – us and Homo Non Sapiens. Perhaps it was always thus.

374110 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to iane, 2, #478 of 1818 🔗

it has been shown that the neanderthal did not go extinct . rather they were absorbed into and bred with homo sapiens.
Clearly there is now some reverse osmosis taking place and neanderthals are appearing again

374318 ▶▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to mj, #479 of 1818 🔗

Its almost like evolution is now in reverse.

374088 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to embergalaxy, 8, #480 of 1818 🔗

Interesting topic. I am more intelligent (in the traditional sense) than at least 98%, perhaps 99%+ of the population. I am normally modest enough not to say that, but it is nonetheless true. I don’t doubt that most readers here are likely the same. What is inexplicable to me is that many other intelligent people have bought into the lies and even actively promulgate them. I keep re-evaluating myself and I am sure I am sane. The logical conclusion is that almost everyone else is insane. My arm-chair psychological analysis is that for the majority of people, their sub-conscious mind is actually in charge. Scare them a bit and their animal defenses override rational thought. It doesn’t work that way for me.

374133 ▶▶▶ embergalaxy, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #481 of 1818 🔗

Exactly how I feel, well said!

374591 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #482 of 1818 🔗

Same here, especially the bit about re-evaluating myself and concluding that I am still sane. As I said recently, I am the same person as I was last February and (to take one example) it’s the behaviour of the police which has changed. Hence, when I was walking home from the shops this morning, a police car passed with blue lights on and masked officer at the wheel, and my instinctive reaction was to mouth “fuck off”. Hopefully it wasn’t captured on their dashcam.

373864 John001, -4, #483 of 1818 🔗

On https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps England has shown a sharp rise recently, unlike Wales or Scotland. It’s above Jan. 2018 levels.

Well, they shouldn’t have cried wolf all autumn long. By December there was a worsening and I didn’t believe them.

373866 Felice, replying to Felice, 42, #484 of 1818 🔗

I intend to complain about the new government ad, about looking covid patients in the eyes etc.

I’m going to complain on the grounds that it is distressing – not for the reasons intended, but because it is making my grief worse. My 96 year old mother died last summer from a heart attack brought on by the stress of being abandoned in a care home because her family (myself included) felt it was more important to ‘stay home’ than to continue to care for her. I am strugglingly with my moral failure last spring and it is making my grief much more difficult to bear. This ad is like a further punch in the stomach for me.

I’m sure there are plenty of other people who could say the same – the mother who stayed at home instead of having a cancer check up and is now dead, the father who ignored a heart problem and stayed at home and is now dead. Even the person who brought covid home and killed an elderly relative even though they were just doing their job. Every one of them is being reminded of their failure and how they were complicit in their death and it makes their grief more complicated.

373896 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Felice, 14, #485 of 1818 🔗

Don’t blame yourself. It’s only grumpy old gits like me who disbelieved the bollox from the start.
You are enlightened now. There is more joy in heaven over one person like you than a hundred gits like me. To honour your mother’s memory, stay strong now.
Bless you.

373905 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Annie, 8, #486 of 1818 🔗

We are all grumpy old gits on here then, and the one’s who aren’t, should be

373901 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Felice, 11, #487 of 1818 🔗

Sorry for your loss, complain and don’t stop, complicated grief is the worst, I know from personal experience. I want to know why, if masks work people couldn’t visit their elderly relatives, how they can even make an argument for masks when this goes on. How they can stand on their podiums and still justify any of this is mind boggling imo.

373869 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #488 of 1818 🔗

I have to say that the claims of the new variant being more deadly ranging from 1.35 to 1.91 come across as bollocks to me.

I could go back through overall mortality from all years past and make equally weak arguments that the start of certain years brought about more deadly forms of death resulting in more people dying.

373888 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #489 of 1818 🔗

There’s some evidence to show that complete bollocks, has been overtaken by complete and utter bollocks and is rising at an alarming rate.

373970 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #490 of 1818 🔗

Especially in Westminster

373870 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #491 of 1818 🔗

“He has also revealed concerns at the number of Londoners in public places because the lockdown rules were not tight enough and has apparently stopped walking his dog in the park because it so busy.”

I never knew the Mayor of London owned a dog. I’m quite surprised by this news.

Basically, London should be locked down harder so the Mayor feels safer walking his dog.

Is this because he’s scared of getting rona or scared of getting lynched?

373947 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #492 of 1818 🔗

Muslims don’t own dogs as they are unclean. Mohammed was a cat lover.

374028 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #493 of 1818 🔗

Yet he has a dog!

374136 ▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Smelly Melly, #494 of 1818 🔗

Yes. He certainly loved his pussy!

373871 Tim Bidie, 11, #495 of 1818 🔗

By the way, those of us who say that the latest scaremongering is an attempt by the government to prepare the ground for a delay to May elections are not simply vapouring.

Local election officials have received letters informing them that no decision on whether the May elections will proceed has yet been taken.

That means that those elections are on hold for the time being.

Of course, the Prime Minister has recently said that they will go ahead………

Loving the humour……..

373881 DanClarke, 26, #496 of 1818 🔗

Charles Walker, Sir Desmond Swayne are the sort of men this country needs now, we haven’t tried integrity for a long time.

373885 isobar, replying to isobar, 10, #497 of 1818 🔗

PHE chief admits it’s not ‘absolutely clear’ if Kent strain is more deadly amid concern at ‘scaremongering’ press conference after SAGE warning handed to ministers said scientists were only 50% sure of increased mortalityhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9178851/PHE-chief-admits-not-absolutely-clear-Kent-strain-deadly.html

373904 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to isobar, 9, #498 of 1818 🔗

Fifty percent confidence – one might as well toss a coin.

373929 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #499 of 1818 🔗

As the top rated comment on the article says “ Totally irresponsible for a PM to suggest what he did without scientific knowledge. Surely now valance and whitty have to go. Show some balls Boris and do the right thing.”

374030 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to isobar, 5, #500 of 1818 🔗

Even that pair of morally-devoid mad psuedo-scientists were using slippery language and trying to caveat everything. They know they are incriminating themselves. I tend to think they were likely coerced into it by the fat pig. Hoping for the pig to do the right thing is deluded.

374512 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #501 of 1818 🔗

I agree they looked lacking in any confidence in whaat they were saying although I suspect it will be because they expect to be attacked after the weekend by informed scientific opinion.
Damage done,though,to the minds of the public and that was probably someone’s intent.

373887 james007, 17, #502 of 1818 🔗

There are two arguments against lockdowns. Both important and not mutually exclusive.

The first is scepticism. There is a standard of evidence which must be met, which shows that the reduction in deaths relative to other options is greater than the destruction caused by lockdown.

The second is a moral argument. If a terrorist knows information that might save lives, you cannot torture him to death to try to extract it- even if you have a clear idea of the greater good.

I started with the first, thinking that in principle – there is just not enough evidence. As this has gone on, I am now favour the second.

I don’t know how torture is legally defined, but in the dictionary it is this:

“the act of causing great physical or mental pain in order to persuade someone to do something or to give information, or to be cruel to a person or animal”

Covidians would say I was being ridiculous to make this comparison. But isn’t that what is happening? Inflicting mental trauma on a population? Threatening them, manipulating them, villifying any descent, not acknowledging the scale of thenon-covid suffering?

I now think that even if we were reducing deaths from Covid, or helping ‘our NHS’ cope, it wouldn’t matter. It doesn’t mean that something akin to torture is justified. It isn’t just that other options should have been considered, it is that this shouldn’t even have been an option. In anycase not all lockdowns are equal. Some restrictions could have been introduced which considered our dignity and basic human needs.
Lots of cruelty over the years has been justified by the greater good.

373891 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 26, #503 of 1818 🔗

https://gab.com/KTHopkins :

” The U.K. has a COVID SUICIDE pandemic that no one will talk about.

Rich, poor, successful, not, old and the very young. Last week a 12 year old child called time on his little life.

We will not be silenced. The lockdown dead will have a voice. Here. Through us all xx “

374001 ▶▶ tarfu, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #504 of 1818 🔗

If this is true, it is a tragedy of the highest order. I cannot begin to understand what might have been going through the child’s mind, how can such dark thoughts even be formed in one so young. I am genuinely weeping as I write this.

374090 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to tarfu, 4, #505 of 1818 🔗

Wonder if they were referring to this poor little boy. Family were raising money for his funeral. They must be absolutely broken.
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/help-give-our-beautiful-ethan-a-send-off

373892 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #506 of 1818 🔗

At the end of this the uber slime bag Peston should be jailed for a very long time

A modern day Lord Haw Haw

374055 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #507 of 1818 🔗

Morgan is Lord Haw Haw.Peston is almost part of the regime

374390 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, #508 of 1818 🔗

Yes, a bullet in Morgan’s ample backside would be fitting too.

373899 PGB1, replying to PGB1, 6, #509 of 1818 🔗

My daughter has anorexia and has been told that there just not enough resources now because they are actually overrun with cases. So the government is prioritising old people over young people whether they realise it or not. Maybe young people not voting is an issue for them?

374385 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PGB1, 1, #510 of 1818 🔗

You are right that it’s all about votes and power. NHS/Moloch demands child sacrifices and the politicians oblige to satisfy their own lust for power. All the best to both of you. She has you fighting for her at least.

373903 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 26, #511 of 1818 🔗

My complaint to the ASA yesterday
“Government advert “If you are shopping in a supermarket you are highly likely to meet someone with Covid” . What is the evidence for this ?
“Cover your mouth and nose” What is the evidence that this has any effect? Why no mention of exemptions?
“Bend the rules and people will die” . What is the the evidence? ]
“1 in 3 people who have the virus will not know they have it and spread it ” Where is the evidence for asymptotic spread?
These are mere assertions intended to frighten the public.”

Took about 5mins

There are other similar ads.

If anyone wishes to complain , suggest you use slightly different wording and go across the various ads .

373926 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to arfurmo, #512 of 1818 🔗

Its ScIeNcE

373932 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to arfurmo, 4, #513 of 1818 🔗

Well done! I must admit I never thought of complaining to them but we should all do it. Staying silent never gets you anywhere. We have a voice (and fingers) so lets use them.

373963 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #514 of 1818 🔗

I have, several times. You have to be specific about which ad., when broadcast, what is wrong – no going off on one! Short and sweet.

374077 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to arfurmo, 2, #515 of 1818 🔗

I must be doing a good job of ignoring things, as Ive totally missed this new campaign.
Any links for the death by jogger/dogwalker one?

373911 Cecil B, 7, #516 of 1818 🔗

BBC headline
‘Wuhan marks its anniversary with triumph and denial’
(Our country is only doing denial)

373913 Julian, replying to Julian, 40, #517 of 1818 🔗

“In defence of lockdown sceptics” Sorry, much too defensive. We should ALWAYS be on the attack. We have NOTHING to defend ourselves over. The pro-lockdown people have had their way for a year, results are: No evidence lives are saved, huge damage

Lockdowns, masks, mass testing are UNORTHODOX, UNTRIED (until this year) and AGAINST ALL PREVIOUS WHO GUIDANCE

The lockdown advocates need to prove their case, not the other way round

373923 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 11, #518 of 1818 🔗

Our case will only get stronger the more time passes and destruction piles up.

374098 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Julian, 5, #519 of 1818 🔗

Very, very well-said Julian.

One example might be the ongoing Mike Graham/Peter Hitchens debate. When it started, Mike Graham (clearly not an unopinionated sort of bloke!) was adamantly opposed to Hitchens point of view.

As the months wore on, slowly but surely he started to come around based not just on Hitchens arguments of course, but what he saw with his own eyes.

The zero-covid zealots will never change their mind I’m sure, but if the aim of the game is to persuade the majority that the solution is worse than the problem then I think there is hope as the ramifications start to bite.

373922 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #520 of 1818 🔗

US baseball legend and civil rights icon Hank Aaron dies | Baseball News | Al Jazeera

Getting vaccinated “makes me feel wonderful”, Aaron said at the time. “I don’t have any qualms about it at all, you know. I feel quite proud of myself for doing something like this … It’s just a small thing that can help zillions of people in this country.”

373930 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #521 of 1818 🔗

I don’t want to mock somebody’s death but this highlights one of the many absurdities arising from all of this.

There are people who are willing to sacrific everything in order to avoid death by covid. So should they happier when they die of something else? Are their relatives glad they went to so much trouble just so their loved one could die alone from something other than covid?

I know people who had relatives die before lockdowns began. They are glad that it happened before because at least they didn’t die alone.

373942 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #522 of 1818 🔗

There are people so bought into the establishment narrative that they trust everything they are told. No scepticism whatsoever infact they are an extension of the propoganda. It is quite incredible.

373955 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #523 of 1818 🔗

I’m absolutely convinced that a big part of the problem in this country is the BBC – there are so many that still believe every word that their precious “Auntie Beeb” broadcasts.

Sickening when you consider all the disgusting scandals that have been uncovered in recent years that there are still those here that believe them.

They are still trusted outside the UK too, for some bizarre reason.

373995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to dhid, 5, #524 of 1818 🔗

I find that incredible too…I can only assume with the older generations they remember the ‘old’ BBC before it turned into Pravda. Strange they haven’t noticed the changes though but I suppose most people are just not interested enough to notice.

374113 ▶▶ rose, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #525 of 1818 🔗

Sounds like another vaccine death

374125 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #526 of 1818 🔗

in baseball you get three strikes, with the vaccine only two and yerrrrr out.

374405 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, #527 of 1818 🔗

And if my death can save one life…

373983 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #529 of 1818 🔗

So sad that kids having fun is now news and feels like a moment of resistance.. what has this country become..

Did make me smile though and good on them!

373988 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Wolver, 5, #530 of 1818 🔗

Spot on and great to see….just sorry the police where not pelted with snowballs too…and some covid marshall nazis to boot.

373998 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Wolver, 3, #531 of 1818 🔗

It’s a tragedy but the spirit of youth is strong!

373935 Bruce Reynolds, 26, #532 of 1818 🔗

Good morning skeptics..
A quick update on my Charles Clifford dental appointment didn’t have the heart to unleash the WW2 on them(plus I wanted my teeth sorting)so decided on Blackout special if I encountered problems, please to report staff could not have been more friendly no muzzle issues what so ever.. Same on Sheffield tram no problems.. Myself and the Bro’s are visiting the KFC drive thru later today WW2,full face helmets,muffle scarfs, the whole shebang intend to hold up the traffic for as long as possible cause havoc not my favorite food but worth it to make our point.. don’t forget skeptics take the piss out of there Fucked up diktats..

373937 adele, 21, #533 of 1818 🔗

I heard the radio ad that’s been pulled the other week while driving. I honestly thought I’d misheard – my jaw actually dropped open, which is unusual for me. I searched for it when I got home and could find no trace of it and I haven’t heard it since. Honestly, how dare they broadcast such rubbish while insinuating that we’re the ones spreading misinformation?
I’ve already reported their new campaign 👍

373940 p02099003, 2, #534 of 1818 🔗
373945 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #535 of 1818 🔗

If sceptics are granny killers are zealots child abusers and killers?

374051 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #536 of 1818 🔗

YES!

373968 ▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #538 of 1818 🔗

It wouldn’t fit the fable.

373949 RickH, replying to RickH, 26, #539 of 1818 🔗

Prof Neil Ferguson, who sits on the Government’s NERVTAG advisory committee, said the latest evidence from university researchers suggests around 30% more people die of the new variant of Covid.”

Given Ferguson’s track record, everybody can relax.

373951 ▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 11, #540 of 1818 🔗

His track record of influencing government policy is pretty frightening.

373957 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to stewart, 4, #541 of 1818 🔗

I can only think that it must be because of his ‘tie in’ with Gates. It can’t be because of his past record.

373958 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, 6, #542 of 1818 🔗

A useful idiot.

373964 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #543 of 1818 🔗

Useless to us.

373960 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #544 of 1818 🔗

The sort of garbage being put out (or Ferguson’s woeful ignorance – or both) encapsulated in two figures :

Probability : <50%
Sample : 8% – opportunity acquired

373965 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 9, #545 of 1818 🔗

Ferguson is The Gimp in Pulp Fiction. Whenever the government need to scare the public with modelling they “bring out The Gimp”.

375005 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Nobody2021, #546 of 1818 🔗

I seem to remember that The Gimp got hanged in Pulp Fiction. I hope life imitates fiction.

373975 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 3, #547 of 1818 🔗

Ferguson is a bit like the BBC, you take everything he says with a large pinch of salt too.

373980 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #548 of 1818 🔗

Speaking of ‘pinch’ where is Ferguson’s greatest fan lately?

374238 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #549 of 1818 🔗

And a daily 4000 IU dose of Vitamin D.

374047 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 2, #550 of 1818 🔗

Is he still illegally shagging his mistress?

375007 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to jonathan Palmer, #551 of 1818 🔗

Adding insult to immorality, of course.

373956 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #552 of 1818 🔗

This is just a random thought but I wonder if tonsils play much of a part in our defences against diseases.

There’s a good chance that many older people who have died may well have had their tonsils removed.

Maybe nothing but it’s an interesting thought.

373967 ▶▶ mj, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #553 of 1818 🔗

“The tonsils are immunocompetent organs which serve as the immune system ‘s first line of defense against ingested or inhaled foreign pathogens”
and in the old days they would whip your adenoids (part of the same lymphatic defence system) out at the same time even though there was no problem with them

374168 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to mj, #554 of 1818 🔗

Not just the old days, my lad had his tonsils & adenoids out just a couple of years back.

373973 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #555 of 1818 🔗

I had mine taken out as a child because I constantly suffered with tonsilitis. However I was told they stopped doing it as tonsils were known to grow back again. I don’t know if this is in fact true.

373985 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #556 of 1818 🔗

Interesting. I used to get tonsilitis reguarly but my doctor (back in the 70s) said they should not be taken out because they are there for a reason and I would just go on to get chest infections if they were removed. Fast forward a few decades and an ENT surgeon told me that was a load of rot (though a fashionable idea at the time apparently).

374999 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, #557 of 1818 🔗

And we all know what happens when “scientists” get fashionable ideas in their tiny heads, don’t we?

374046 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #558 of 1818 🔗

You could find any number of ‘potential’ causes for a higher Covid severity on older people.

For example, most people over the age of 65 get the annual flu jab. To add support to this ‘hypothesis’ uptake of the flu vaccine is higher in the UK than in any other European country.

But, there’s almost certainly no connection. Over 65s who have underlying conditions are more likely to take the vaccine.

374209 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mayo, #559 of 1818 🔗

This is true. My thought process was more along the lines of unintended consequences. But given that general life expectancy has increased over time it’s unlikely to have any significant effect.

374072 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #560 of 1818 🔗

I was one of the last for whom the solution to a chest or throat infection was
“If in doubt, whip ’em (tonsils) out”.
They later decided that tonsils were meant to get infected to stop the contagion going deeper into the body.

374329 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #561 of 1818 🔗

Rverybody in my class was de-tonsilled except me. My mum thought tonsils were useful germ traps.

374104 ▶▶ rose, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #562 of 1818 🔗

I’ve often thought that the mass removal of every child’s tonsils, the first line of defence against infection, was a criminal offence and the NHS should be made to pay everyone compensation

374139 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #563 of 1818 🔗

When I was a kid I went into hospital to have grommets fitted to my eardrums. They didn’t do that, but they did remove my tonsils. Go figure.

374213 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2021, #564 of 1818 🔗

I had mine out at about 14, what a TRAUMA that was. Nightmare.

373961 Old Bill, 19, #565 of 1818 🔗

Always bear in mind these important government guidelines people:

1] STAY HOME : PROTECT BORIS : DESTROY LIVES

2] ACT AS IF YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT IT
(a privileged life, a Swiss bank account and a 6 figure pension)

3] WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER
(but I’m in the shallow end)

373982 chaos, 9, #566 of 1818 🔗

Boris Kemal Bunter and his teenage Rockerfella girlfriend and Rockerfella Father are still in control of the Conmunist Party and country.. no shagging unless married.. no standing near anyone.. no visitors.. no work.. wear your hajib…

374024 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 16, #568 of 1818 🔗

January 30

374347 ▶▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Basileus, 2, #569 of 1818 🔗

Lets hope people go through with it, we’ll be having a meal out if they are!

373993 l835, replying to l835, 25, #570 of 1818 🔗

Heard about a teacher friend. Long moan about zoom lessons, half the kids don’t have their cameras on, so no idea if they are there, or just logged on and left the room (can’t make them turn the camera on, privacy issues apparently) and none of the other children responded to being asked if they understood or had any questions. Teacher found talking to her laptop for an hour and a half “very stressful”

Reopen the schools now to all children!

374094 ▶▶ rose, replying to l835, 7, #571 of 1818 🔗

I had that from a university lecturer. He thought no one was listening, No one asking any questions. . He was upset, wasting his time. I told him that that wasn’t what they’d signed up for and paid money for. They’d been captured with lies about how uni life was going back to normal. I hoped that non of them would pay for this excuse of further educaton next year.

374002 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #572 of 1818 🔗

The lying and news management is beyond cynical it is downright criminal

The super death was announced at 5pm yesterday. Announced in time for the evening news and to be the newspaper headlines this morning

The PHE rebuttal appeared this morning. The rebuttal was announced at exactly the ‘wrong’ time in the news cycle so it will not appear in the MSM

This allows to Pig Dictator to announce the new killer death and deny it’s existence at the same time

374272 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, #573 of 1818 🔗

Link to the PHE statement?

374007 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #574 of 1818 🔗

Is the announcement of the possibly more deadly UK strain a means to further drive vaccine uptake? Just look at the immediate impact in Israel. There are increasing signs that Israel is intending to vaccinate children. Will the same happen elsewhere? Excerpt from article (my emphasis):

Herd immunity in Israel Asked about the report, a top Israeli expert said that the UK variant will make it much more difficult for the country to reach herd immunity .
Noting it was “much more contagious,” Prof. Gili Regev of the Sheba Medical Center in Tel Aviv told Channel 12 that instead of being able to achieve herd immunity after vaccinating between 60 to 75% of the population, Israel would now possibly have to vaccinate more than 75% and possibly even 90% .
“This means it will take a lot longer, particularly as we are not vaccinating children ,” she said.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-warns-of-evidence-new-virus-variant-may-be-more-deadly/

374063 ▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 5, #575 of 1818 🔗

I don’t think the Israelis will stand for anything close to experimentation on their children. And I say that as someone who lived in the country for six months.

374449 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to Will, #576 of 1818 🔗

If the Israelis find something disproportionately wrong with the vaccine as their vaccination programme moves onward, with many watching to note adverse effects and deaths, I suspect they won’t take it lying down.

374981 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Will, #577 of 1818 🔗

Agreed. Losing millions to “medical experiments”, slavery and outright starvation means they won’t tolerate the crap we’ve put up with, if anything starts to go wrong.

374079 ▶▶ wendy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #578 of 1818 🔗

Does anyone else find it strange that Israel are so keen to vaccinate their whole population? Is it just me thinking about forced medication and how it hasn’t gone so well in the past?

374137 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wendy, 2, #579 of 1818 🔗

Are the ultra-religious Orthodox going along with this? Israel is basically an atheistic, secular state.

374985 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Londo Mollari, #580 of 1818 🔗

No, they’re not. The Haredim refuse most dodgy medicines unless their Rabbinical authorities declare the vaccines to be kosher, and very few vaccines are kosher.

I, too, lived there (as a foreign citizen on a working visa) for a year, and they look after other Jews a lot better than our authorities look after our “fellow” Christians. They also keep their mouths shut (what goes on in the Jewish Community stays in the Jewish Community), so that’s how they (normally) get away with massive weddings.

(What rules? Go along with what some goy police say? Enough already! Send out the invitations, Miriam.)

374369 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, 1, #581 of 1818 🔗

The Helsinki committee, a Israeli govt body?, said the agreement between the state and Pfizer is a human medicine trial as Israel agreed to give personal details to Pfizer. Therefor in legalese it needs to be approved by the ethics committee and gives participants more rights.
Then they retracted their statement.

374012 mj, replying to mj, 6, #582 of 1818 🔗

Just reading The Sun (seriously i get it on a saturday for the weekly tv listings).
So here are some items that you might miss but which the sheeple will read.
“Arg from TOWIE needs gastric band as his weight has shot up to 26 stones after he stopped exercising and replaced drink and drugs with fast food BECAUSE OF LOCKDOWN”
“police called by woman because Mcdonalds had stopped selling breakfast muffin at 11.01” police get into twitter pun fight. she should have said they were unmasked.. a transit would have been sent
“primary school teacher absences for covid six times higher than their pupils” skivers
“800 combat medics supporting NHS frontline .. this is in addition to the 1600 military medics already working for NHS”
“SAGE say children may have to be vaccinated”
“a teaching assistant too scared of covid to visit the dentist with abscess accidentally overdosed and died on pain killers ”

amazing stuff .

374027 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mj, 1, #583 of 1818 🔗

Amazing stuff in The Soaraway Sun. LOL.

374268 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mj, #584 of 1818 🔗

SAGE are saying children now have to be vaccinated? What is this now?

Anger levels raging now

374013 Londo Mollari, 10, #585 of 1818 🔗

I just saw a Christian social media account refer to “Build Babylon Better.” That made me laugh – kind of.

Meanwhile, a report here of an Orthodox Jewish wedding party of 400 people being broken up by London gestapo. I noted from the behaviour of similar communities in New York that they have a strong sense of community solidarity which enables them to stand up better to the Covid totalitarianism than are other, atomised, individualised western groups. https://www.rt.com/uk/513325-jewish-wedding-busted-london/

374019 Bugle, 3, #586 of 1818 🔗

Told you they’d come for the dogs.

374026 concrete68, replying to concrete68, 9, #587 of 1818 🔗

If they need an advertising campaign to persuade people of the risk then we have won. Unfortunately the end game has a long way to play out as world leaders have bet the farm on this followed by every single professional, academic, medical and scientific body. So we wait for the next generation.

374034 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to concrete68, 2, #588 of 1818 🔗

I wonder if the chief epidemiologist of WHO ( spit ) has retracted her opinion that ”new strains” are more transmissible but less harmful. Anyone know?

374258 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to concrete68, #589 of 1818 🔗

It shows you the folly of government in something must be done. Action, no matter how irrelevant, is essential.

374029 Banjones, 19, #590 of 1818 🔗

I’ve only just braced myself to look at the headlines.

I hear Johnson is saying the ”new strain” (as if we don’t know there are constantly ”new strains”) is ”deadlier”. This scare-mongering tripe only confirms to me that he (or rather his handlers) feel they’re losing control and have to ramp it up.

Well – it’s not going to make any difference to me. I’m going to spend some time with my family today and sod these self-serving politicians.

374033 wendy, replying to wendy, 6, #591 of 1818 🔗

2 : In an interview with Spiegel , epidemiologist Christian Drosten details his concerns about the “British variant”, and says that he is worried about the Summer.

Having read the above Spiegel interview of Christian Dorsten I see he is in favour of a zero covid strategy! That would seem to be where the problem lies. Would it be fair to say that if Germany is dominant with this then they will push this on the EU?

374053 ▶▶ Will, replying to wendy, 7, #592 of 1818 🔗

You would hope that the UK would wish to assert its new found sovereignty by rejecting such an absurd policy.

374062 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Will, 2, #593 of 1818 🔗

I would so hope so but the world has gone bonkers!!

374076 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 3, #594 of 1818 🔗

Sorry to state the obvious that many have known for a long time – all that Brexit stuff was an irrelevant distraction in the first place. It was just about creating opportunities for sections of the finance ‘industry’.

374132 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 6, #595 of 1818 🔗

I suspect millions of people voted Leave for reasons that had nothing to do with promoting the interests of finance capitalists.

374215 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to wendy, #596 of 1818 🔗

On her way out, Merkel is trying her best to impose severe lockdown and border restrictions on all of schengen/EU countries. She is showing her old ‘east german’ colours.

374373 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to wendy, #597 of 1818 🔗

Drosten keeps changing his mind according which direction the wind blows.

374039 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #598 of 1818 🔗

Some gimp will be wheeled out 5pm to tell us that it’s not that bad after all
Sunday “Oh yes it is”
Monday “Oh no it’s not”
Tuesday “Oh yes it is”

Government by Pantomime

374041 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 11, #599 of 1818 🔗

Gaslighting

374049 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 17, #600 of 1818 🔗

That is exactly what is going on. Creating as much insecurity and confusion as possible. If we were in an actual pandemic the government wouldn’t begin to countenance such tactics; but then, no “tactics” would be needed if we were in the middle of an actual pandemic.

374052 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Will, #601 of 1818 🔗

Yes I agree

374091 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Will, #602 of 1818 🔗

It’s classic destabilisation – a tactic of narcissists and Marxists.

374145 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to this is my username, 3, #603 of 1818 🔗

And coercive controllers. It is interesting that my step sister, who was a victim of terrible coercive control in one of her, I kid you not, five marriages has fallen for this bollocks hook, line and sinker.

374189 ▶▶▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Will, 5, #604 of 1818 🔗

I think some people are more susceptible to falling for things than other. My sister fell for one of those Mormon pyramid selling scams the other year, spent every waking moment pushing their products to her friends, selling £1000`s worth of their products just to get a few quid commission.

They actually taught her that anyone who questions or doubts what she is doing is just jealous, is trying to put her down and she should ignore them.

Which of course is similar to what the media are pushing with their propaganda. Anyone who doesnt believe the story is a crank.

My sister also has fallen for the current narrative, and refuses to believe anything other then the BBC / MSM.

374201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to ThomasT, 4, #605 of 1818 🔗

My mother used to tell me that if you’re too honest people can and will take advantage of it. Not an absolute but true to some extent.

Honest people also tend to be more gullible because they expect everyone else to be just as honest.

One of lifes little quirks.

374274 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Will, #606 of 1818 🔗

Don’t give them ideas … covid21 was always in the plan..

374059 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 5, #607 of 1818 🔗

The fat pig dictator already looks like a panto dame!

374073 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #608 of 1818 🔗

Thanks to Jim Davidson’s rude panto for these gems.

Oooh whats that perfume your wearing? Its called come to me!. Mmm doesn’t smell like come to me!!

Oh no I have a mouth as dry as a parrots cage. Not surprised you have had a Cocatoo in there.

374045 JASA, replying to JASA, 27, #609 of 1818 🔗

“Look them in the eyes and tell them you’re doing all you can to stop the spread of COVID-19. Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives.”

I’d look them in the eyes and say that we are doing more than enough and that in fact the restrictions themselves may have actually caused or contributed to their demise.

I’d ask the SAGE tossers, Handcock and the PM to look all the mental health suffers, cancer patients, those who have lost their jobs and livelihoods and the myriad of other poor souls suffering as a direct result of these restrictions in the eyes and say that
” your suffering and ever increasing misery isn’t my concern, because I’m enjoying the feeling of power and pretending that saving people from SARS-Cov-2 and Covid-19 is far more important than anything else in the entire world”.

They are pushing me to the limit and if I were to end things, I would do it in front of them. My loathing and hatred towards these arseholes grows each day, as does my despair and quality of life. 

374057 ▶▶ wendy, replying to JASA, 23, #610 of 1818 🔗

Keep going, we will get through this. We all need each other. Please don’t give up. Turn off their news programmes, don’t look at their adverts or carry a spray paint can for discrete alterations. I feel our government hate it’s people.

374083 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to wendy, 12, #611 of 1818 🔗

Thank you Wendy. I don’t watch the news at all now. My only source of what’s going on are the daily updates on this website. Life was pretty horrendous for me before all this nonsense, but now…. I just want to punch the living daylights out of Hancock, Ferguson et al.

374116 ▶▶▶ court, replying to wendy, 2, #612 of 1818 🔗

I turned it all off in October, no broadcast tv or radio and just listen to podcasts and Spotify and watch Netflix etc of an evening for a couple of hours. It made me much happier.

I’m reminded of The Simpsons Halloween episode when the advertising logos come to life and start destroying the town. The advice to defeat them from Lisa and Paul Anker was to ‘Just don’t look’ – wise words!

374064 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JASA, 8, #613 of 1818 🔗

Each new poster campaign creates 10,000 new sceptics. Keep the faith.

374065 ▶▶ l835, replying to JASA, 11, #614 of 1818 🔗

I’ll look them in the eyes and ask how they contracted it the first place if the ‘rules’ are so effective.

374075 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JASA, 10, #615 of 1818 🔗

I’ve written to my MP more than once saying just these things. I try to be measured and courteous, but I usually have to edit my first attempt to achieve a balanced end product! She does reply – but with the usual tosh ”Your comments are noted… etc”

Like you, my loathing for them all is growing – and the more of them that drivel on about ”an exit strategy” as if they’re not the ones who got us into this – the more furious I become.

So – stick with us. This is one of the few pools of sanity and as Wendy below says – we need each other and every one of us counts.

374096 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Banjones, 3, #616 of 1818 🔗

Thank you and I agree that this site is a life saver and source of sanity. I just need my treatments to start again, but as I posted here a few days ago, even telling my GP, by e-mail because I can’t use a phone, who I have seen for over 6 years monthly (up until last March), of my increasing desperation only seemed to warrant a casual, I’m sorry about that John, but this is all necessary. FFS.

374087 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to JASA, 16, #617 of 1818 🔗

Someone already created this.

374089 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JASA, 7, #618 of 1818 🔗

Don’t give up – stick with us, and keep posting. I know it’s difficult right now, but we’re here for you.

374105 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to this is my username, 11, #619 of 1818 🔗

Thank you. You may have noticed that I am posting more than I used to. Admittedly angry and sad posts, but I need to vent my frustrations with people that understand. I’ve been here since day 1. I live alone. You are my friends.

374222 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JASA, 3, #620 of 1818 🔗

There are more comments here now, Jasa. Perhaps that means our numbers are growing. There’s strength in numbers, and every one matters.

I’m sorry to hear about your medical problems. My Best Beloved just finished a course of treatment, which ran for six week. I felt desperately sorry for those people who were right in the middle of it. It makes me wonder what on earth all those specialist nurses and doctors who carry out these treatments are actually DOING now. They’re hardly going to go around emptying bedpans to fill their time, are they?

Keep posting. Always a pleasure to hear from friends!

374244 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JASA, 2, #621 of 1818 🔗

What would be nice is if we could all meet up one this shitty show is over.

374309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Janette, 2, #622 of 1818 🔗

Yes, indeedy! If we all say which county we’re in, and find out about ”freedom hubs”.

374460 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Banjones, #623 of 1818 🔗

I’m in Chesterfield, Derbyshire.

374464 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JASA, 1, #624 of 1818 🔗

So many of us are alone – and have been all through this. It’s good to come here everyday and spend time amongst friends – I appreciate all of you and your comments.

374182 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JASA, #625 of 1818 🔗

Bad Liar – Imagine Dragons

So look me in the eyes
Tell me what you see
Perfect paradise
Tearing at the seams
I wish I could escape
I don’t wanna fake it
Wish I could erase it
Make your heart believe
But I’m a bad liar, bad liar
Now you know
Now you know
I’m a bad liar, bad liar
Now you know, you’re free to go (go)

374353 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JASA, 2, #626 of 1818 🔗

Stay alive, it’ll annoy the buggers far more.

374502 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JASA, #627 of 1818 🔗
374054 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 30, #628 of 1818 🔗

OMG my wife just bought home the DM. Best story. A guy threw a zoom birthday party for his girlfriend in London. So normal right? No he went full genius by getting cardboard cutouts with their friends faces on, got a dj behind plexiglass, light display and get the party on. I bet you can’t guess what happened next.
A number of members of the Stasi reported a party and OVER 10 POLICE OFFICERS turned up to break it up. Happy Birthday darling. So what did the idiots fuzz do? Did they apologise. No as the party was in an office they searched every room to check for hidden guests. They went away without apology then sneaked back later in the night to check again.
What a bunch of Cunts! Its on the DM website, sorry I don’t know how to post a hyperlink from my phone.

374152 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Spikedee1, 8, #631 of 1818 🔗

Nice to see Plod making good use of taxpayers money.

374323 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to rockoman, 3, #632 of 1818 🔗

Looking on the bright side, whilst police were wasting their time doing that they weren’t harassing anybody else for some perfectly innocent activity.

Perhaps the message is that we should all find similar ways of distracting and diverting the police till they get thoroughly fed up.

374204 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #633 of 1818 🔗

When I read these stories, I wonder where the hell are all these police usually.

374317 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 3, #634 of 1818 🔗

Eating donuts mostly from the look of them.

374495 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 2, #635 of 1818 🔗

When I read these stories, I wonder how many of them are staged setups.

374056 Banjones, 14, #636 of 1818 🔗

How about this for a ray of sunshine. My sceptic sis sent me this from Twatter. One to follow, I’d say! If they’re hugely successful, then perhaps their neighbours will follow suit. This could be where the fightback begins, in the holiday industry.

We don’t comply with any of the Covid Lockdown restrictions.
If you’re a brain dead Zombie; save us the trouble of arguing and book somewhere else. Cheers.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/rosellacottage

374067 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 2, #637 of 1818 🔗

Any conspiracy theory deniers out there?

If so maybe you should try this.

Open the web page https://www.whitehouse.gov/ right click the page and select ‘view page source’ (firefox instructions, may be different on other browsers). You will see this:

<!-- If you're reading this, we need your help building back better. https://usds.gov/ -->

   <title>The White House</title>
   <meta name="description" content="Learn how the Biden-Harris Administration is tackling our nation’s challenges and building our country back better from this crisis." />
   <meta name="robots" content="index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1" />
   <link rel="canonical" href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/" />
   <meta property="og:locale" content="en_US" />
   <meta property="og:type" content="website" />
   <meta property="og:title" content="The White House" />

OK, it doesn’t prove anything much but just shows that the terminology is real enough so the intent may be also.

NB. The technique used here is know as an ‘Easter Egg’ where little games, puzzles or in this case job adverts are hidden in places where they are not easy to find and therefore only the ‘right sort’ will find them and apply. That doesn’t include me obviously I just read it somewhere else and repeat it here for interest.

374115 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Bill, 1, #638 of 1818 🔗

I don’t think there’s much in that. buildbackbetter.com is Biden’s campaign website, so nothing hidden.

However, you might raise an eyebrow when you look at where antifa.com redirects.

374301 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to leggy, 1, #639 of 1818 🔗

Personally I don’t think the claim is that they’re trying to hide it. Rather that the ubiquity of the message suggests a high level of political coordination at an international level (Canada, UK, UN etc. use the same slogan), and this highlights a massive democratic deficit and concerning levels of groupthink.

374214 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Old Bill, #640 of 1818 🔗

Interesting. A digital government.

374359 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Old Bill, #641 of 1818 🔗

So Biden & Harris are “tackling our nation’s challenges” are they? what a grand job they are doing…
Putting a stop to the Keystone pipeline for ‘the environment’. except the same oil will be delivered, only now via a more expensive & time consuming route, benefiting people (like billionaire Democrat donors) who own & control transport infrastructure being used, killing thousands of American jobs related to the pipeline & infrastructure, & meaning thousands more will face spiraling costs and be financially hit trying to heat their homes in the winter.

Biden wants to immediately end deportations of criminal illegal aliens – Texas
Attorney General have said it is a complete abdication of commitment to legal immigration law, and so they are suing him…

He’s sent a massive convoy of US troops to Syria (& stoking tensions with Iran) which Russia are reportedly moving to intercept…China have been making aggressive moves & sending up military planes into Taiwan airpace…

Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene has filed articles of Impeachment against Biden, accusing him of (among other things) abusing the office of the VP; using his son to influence the direct policy of foreign Governments & selling out US interests to do it; accused him of a massive cover up re: Burisma & the Ukraine; & claiming he peddled direct influence with China CCP & Russian obligarchs.

It’s been quite a busy few days…

374069 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 18, #642 of 1818 🔗

Anyone else noticed a marked increase in propaganda trying to guilt trip people into having the experimental jab?

Front page headline in my local paper today…

Northamptonshire public health officials have warned those who refuse to have the coronavirus vaccine are endangering not only themselves but also those around them.

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/health/coronavirus/northamptonshire-residents-who-refuse-coronavirus-vaccine-putting-those-are-endangering-those-around-them-3110278

Chief Executive of the local hospital said….

….some of the myths she had heard about the vaccine included it containing meat and alcohol as well as it affecting fertility – all of which is nonsense.

“Everybody has a right to refuse, of course they do, and if I wanted to refuse, it’s not just about my personal safety, it’s about the personal safety of my loved ones and people I come in contact with,”

Which interestingly is exactly the same line they used with the masks of course – its not about protecting yourself, its about protecting those around you. If you don’t wear a mask you will kill all your loved ones. No mention of the actual survival facts if you get the virus etc. or facts about how effective the vaccine is compared to your natural immune system.

The article goes on to try and claim anyone who has doubts about the vaccine must think the whole covid thing is a big hoax.

374074 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to ThomasT, 8, #643 of 1818 🔗

Freedom is selfishness. Which means the end of freedom. Goebbels would be pleased.

374080 ▶▶ Will, replying to ThomasT, 5, #644 of 1818 🔗

Except there is no evidence the prophylactics actually stop transmission.

374081 ▶▶ l835, replying to ThomasT, 9, #645 of 1818 🔗

I’ve been explaining to my daughter that the (say) 500 years of data from studying 1000 people for 6 months post vaccination doesn’t give the same results as 100 people for five years.

374093 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to l835, 4, #646 of 1818 🔗

I can’t get people with medical and scientific qualifications to understand that. I quote the narcolepsy issue with the swine flu vaccination as an example. They are all thoroughly bought into it and I care about some of them very much but they won’t be deflected.

374084 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to ThomasT, 7, #647 of 1818 🔗

Also if you hug your granny or she hugs you. The attempted destruction of the family and human socialising continues.

374112 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ThomasT, 7, #648 of 1818 🔗

A vaccine confers immunity from the disease on the vaccinated individual, regardless of whether or not anyone else is. Vaccination is not a public health measure; it is a clinical treatment.

374194 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, #649 of 1818 🔗

Yes – that’s how it should be. But we’re told it doesn’t confer immunity. And if even the dimwitted thought about it, they just MIGHT get a gleam of understanding….

But as it seems to be more of a tool of control, I don’t suppose that sort of common sense will be listened to.

374492 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, #650 of 1818 🔗

Insofar as herd immunity may be attainable from less than 100 per cent uptake of a vaccine, it’s a public-health measure.

374119 ▶▶ dpj, replying to ThomasT, 2, #651 of 1818 🔗

The fact they say it affecting fertility is a myth makes statement invalidated as the company making the vaccine put out a disclaimer saying they couldn’t say it didn’t.

374131 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to dpj, 11, #652 of 1818 🔗

No one knows if it affects fertility of not because there is no long term data.That is a fact and proof that our leaders are lying.

374183 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to ThomasT, 7, #653 of 1818 🔗

How on earth do they make people believe that not accepting the vaccine is ”endangering the people around you”?
It doesn’t seem to occur to the dimwitted thralls that if the vaccine were effective then they need not be concerned about ”passing it on” because they wouldn’t get it anyway. And if people were ”selfish” enough NOT to have it, why should they care?

374070 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #654 of 1818 🔗

Stop Press 2: In his latest piece for Breitbart, James Delingpole takes issue with Boris Johnson’s recent assertion that there is nothing wrong with being woke .”

Delingpole is correct, though you could debate whether “ Almost everything wrong with the world today can be laid at the door of the ‘woke’ ideology ” understates the problems caused by the related but distinct safetyism at the root of the coronapanic, and the lockdown response that stems from that combined with the totalitarian instincts at the root of wokeness.

Woke is fundamentally leftist, both in its philosophical roots in the ideology of transforming the world to conform with “clever” people’s ideas of what is better, and in its political power base amongst identity lobby groups fighting to overthrow the existing order in order to gain power and money for themselves. These objectives, as always of course, are covered over with a thin layer of pretended altruism and a thick layer of manipulative sentimentality and sanctimony, that gives it support and protection amongst the weak-minded and ignorant.

Is wokeness more damaging than the (related, as I said) coronapanic and lockdown response? I’d say the latter is the immediate problem, but the former is the more fundamental and the more dangerous in the long term. Wokeness is the kind of radical fanaticism that does not compromise – dissent is not merely wrong, but evil. That attitude leads to either its victory, and the “reeducation” and death camps of China and Cambodia, or its defeat, probably only after a Spanish- or Chinese-style civil war and a stern defensive dictatorship. Neither prospect is remotely attractive, but these kinds of fanatics will not stop pushing until they utterly destroy what they hate, or are themselves defeated and removed from influence. The US is arguably further down this route than we are (or it is more apparent there than here because in this country there is no effective organised political resistance), with the big money manipulation of politics there, to ensure victory for the left in the Presidential election and the big tech and big money driven demonisation of resistance to wokeness, moving, as Glenn Greenwald recently highlighted, towards a “war on terror” style crackdown upon said resistance. This will see resistance characterised as violent “white supremacy”, as the recent political protests were dishonestly characterised as “insurrection”, and the kinds of propaganda used by the establishment to push the coronapanic used to manufacture pretexts for cracking down harder on dissent. And of course the process of cracking down will generate real resistance that will fuel the propaganda drive for more crackdown. The bought victory for Biden is a big step towards civil disorder and ultimately, if the left does not back down, civil war.

Trump’s victory in 2016 (also in the face of massive big money spending in favour of the Democrat side) was in large part a backlash against the dominance of the woke left, as even some leftist analysts recognised at the time, and such a backlash had been predicted for decades but pooh poohed by the advocates of woke-style measures. When it came, of course, they just characterised it as “racist”, “white supremacist” evil that justified pushing even harder. The same will happen again now, but at a higher level of intensity.

374107 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 6, #655 of 1818 🔗

The notion that Joe Biden is left is beyond absurd.

374120 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, #656 of 1818 🔗

Yes – the absurd Trump arse-kissing that leads to such distortions could come straight out of 77th Brigade as a means of ridiculing scepticism.

374208 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #657 of 1818 🔗

Only if you follow one of the two key fallacies that commonly distort perception on this issue – that “left = nice” or that “rich is not left”. Nor of course does one have to be personally ideologically committed to leftism to promote it.

In fact Biden is the corrupt figurehead and implementer for the left in the US as Blair was here. In neither case is it necessary for them to “believe” in the cause they further, for them to be “of it” in practice.

And of course the Blairite/Bidenite left is not “not left” merely because it is opposed to the “Corbynite” or “Sanders” left, as far too many misled by those groups assume. That contest is an internal one within the left.

374188 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #658 of 1818 🔗

The most woke of people I know are teachers. Especially 25 to 35. It’s a good point to make that it’s about the attempt to rebuild society in line with what clever people think is best.

I think they waste energy on easy targets

374219 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #659 of 1818 🔗

You could say easy targets, or you could say symbols of dissent. Destroy one symbol, intimidate a thousand potential dissenters.

That’s what the mass, establishment encouraged BLM etc mob marches are about – intimidating potential dissenters into silence. Shows of force.

374461 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #660 of 1818 🔗

indoctrination in teacher training colleges has been going on for years.. It takes the teachers a good 15- 20 years to realise it was all bullshit

375400 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to mj, #661 of 1818 🔗

It was rampant in 1987 when I did a PGCE but I realised it was all horse shit while I was still on the course.

374078 mj, replying to mj, 19, #662 of 1818 🔗

Just seen advert on tv for RSPCA begging for money. they are one of the most bloated charities. Anyway like most other similar appeals they are blaming the covid pandemic (or covid emergency) .
Until these charities start blaming “lockdown” they can go take a hike.
Funnily enough , most of RSPCA income comes from legacies. Given the way that covid has gone through their main donating demographic i would have thought they would be rolling in cash now

374085 ▶▶ l835, replying to mj, 12, #663 of 1818 🔗

The rspca are past masters in intimidation and bullying. Ask any farmer.

374099 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to l835, 4, #664 of 1818 🔗

0ne thing has always puzzled me about Britain

Why do we have a Royal society for preventing cruelty to animals but only a National society for the prevention of cruelty to children?? – do Bretons care more about animals than children?

374123 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #665 of 1818 🔗

given the history of how the royal family treat their children, one can understand why the royal patronage was not granted

374128 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #666 of 1818 🔗

Laws forbidding cruelty to horses in particular and animals in general, were made in mid-19th century. Laws forbidding cruelty to women and children, was brought in around 50 years later, about the turn of the 20th century, so to answer your question, yes.

374311 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Aslangeo, 2, #667 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps it indicates that you don’t need royal patronage to get most people to treat their children well.

374138 ▶▶ Will, replying to mj, 5, #668 of 1818 🔗

If the RSPCA goes bust it will be the only good thing to have come out of lockdown. A truly hateful bunch of hypocrites.

374158 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Will, 8, #669 of 1818 🔗

That honour, IMO, belongs to Save the Children.

374361 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to bluemoon, 1, #670 of 1818 🔗

Age Concern.

374474 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 1, #671 of 1818 🔗

Most charities these days are simply tax-free Big Business and/or transnational QUANGOs. I know- am acquainted with- someone very high up in a very high-profile charity. You wouldn’t believe the lifestyle. Like a lot of you, I’m very selective who I give to.

375403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #672 of 1818 🔗

Just give to small local animal welfare set ups. Stuff the big charities they are all corrupt and no different to big business.

374593 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mj, 2, #673 of 1818 🔗

I recall tweeting them shortly after the Skripal affair, asking for the local plod to be prosecuted for animal cruelty for sealing up their house with the animals still inside, resulting in the animals’ death. They did respond to me but declined to prosecute.

374082 Nottheonly1, replying to Nottheonly1, 17, #674 of 1818 🔗

If there would be a top ten of the biggest crimes against humanity, the covid crime would be up to par with the dropping of two atomic bombs on a nation that had practically already surrendered.
It would also be par to millions of lives destroyed with ruthless impunity by Pol Pot. Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al – they all had their reasons to unleash crimes against humanity.
This time around, the complicity of the majority of ‘leaders’ in the crime stands out as the height of depravity. It can not be explained with the misguided belief that something is worse than it effectively is.
At all times, there were natural causes that created great harm among all life on Earth. The catastrophic consequences of the 2011 earthquake in Japan being the most recent example for damages that see no end to it. Radiation lasts longer than it took humanity to evolve from Australopithecus to the present version of Homo Sapiens.
The use of Depleted Uranium is also a crime against humanity, as its devastating effects are extending into the unforeseeable future with birth defects and miscarriages. The covid crime originates from the same likes of people that dropped the two nukes on already finished Japan. The same likes of people that find great satisfaction in causing immeasurable harm to humanity. Constant wars for profit, destruction of the biome via aerolsolized fumigation in order to only have genetically manipulated crops grow in factually dead soil that prevents anything else to grow.
The covid crime is not only an attack on consciousness, it is a wholesale assault on humanity aiming at the drastic reduction of the many for the benefit of the few. While the work to out the lies of the loudspeakers for the real perpetrators – politicians/unelected officicials the world over – is to be lauded, it it remisinscent to demonstrations against the Iraq war, of which the majority of mankind was convinced to be based on lies and propaganda.
The covid crimes against humanity are similarily progressing as did the war against Iraq – voices of opposition are smeared, denounced and silenced. It is important to understand that all of humanity is now Iraq. The goals are set and no matter what – the stringpullers and perpetrators are pulling through their crime with the help of humans, of which a majority swore an oath to protect the integrity of their respective populations.
The covid crime against humanity is also an organized crime by all available definitions. The organization is as tight as a Mafia, or Yakuza – although with the honor of these organizations. The Mafia has a code of honor after all – the stringpullers and perpetrators of the covid crime have none. With the impunity of psychopaths, they are forcing the implementation of policies that are aimed at nothing less than the present and previous iterations of Homo Sapiens. Sick in the head psychopaths who play God and draw pleasure from the destruction of life on Earth.
Discussing and refuting, uncovering and making public of the lies spewed by the perpetrators is attempting to stop the war – similar to the Iraqi armed forces attempting to repell the assault on their nation by the same stringpullers.

In all this tragedy and devastation, one must be reminded of a science fiction/fantasy comedy titled “The Fifth Element”, in which at a crucial point the main character explains, that, if the leader of the band of thugs is eliminated – the band of thugs will be rendered incapable, unable to proceed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vq7csh83U4

The biggest crime against humanity with the goal of removing the majority of the human population cannot be stopped from the bottom up. Footage of ruthless violence by ‘law enforcement’ against peaceful protesters makes that undeniably clear. This crime can only be stopped by eliminating the stringpullers. Without doing that, the crime will progress unabated, unstoppable.

And yes, the only reason I have not taken my own no longer existing ‘Life’ are my Felines – whom I cannot leave behind without the Love they receive from me. I am fully aware that I am considered a useless eater, a deplorable dissenter of the greatest crime ever against Life on Earth. Existing between fighting lymphoma to not leave my Felines without the Love and care they receive – and waiting for them to follow their two siblings that died because of the Uruguayan ‘culture’.

Last but not least, I don’t value my own life as being superior to the lives of innocent women and children/humans in the Middle East that are murdered and maimed for profit by the same people that control the covid crime against humanity.

I am out of words now.

374086 ▶▶ mj, replying to Nottheonly1, -9, #675 of 1818 🔗

good

374177 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #676 of 1818 🔗

There are some who argue that the war would not have ended had the US not nuked Japan.

I have not doubt that there will be some who argue this virus cannot be defeated without the devastation already caused with more to come.

374306 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #677 of 1818 🔗

No they don’t, they say that the war would have continued with great slaughter on both sides. C ompulsory mass suicides (shudan jiketsu) of Okinawan residents were just a hint of what would have been.

374352 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #678 of 1818 🔗

That’s what I said. Granted I used a double negative in my sentence so may not have come across clearly.

375427 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #679 of 1818 🔗

“They say” means “wikipedia says”. The truth is undeterred fromthe lies of the Western establishment. Next thing is that certain U.S. establishment figures did not prep up Hitler financially and with resources like gasoline to fight the Bolsheviks.
The great reset is courtesy of the same people that lie about the history as it really happened.

375423 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Nobody2021, #680 of 1818 🔗

The same “some” are downplaying, or outright denying that the Soviet Union defeated Japan conventionally. Quite disturbing to not mention the Soviet forces who were ready to land in Hokkaido. As if the U.S. did it all alone. Japan and the legal follow up of the Soviet Union – RF – still have no peace agreement. There are reasons for that. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen and peanuts in comparison what the Japanese and Nais did to the Soviet Union. Period. A day in infamy like January 6th, 2021. Right.

374294 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nottheonly1, 3, #681 of 1818 🔗

‘Practically already surrendered’ is complete balls. My father was in Rangoon harbour loading his 5th Indian Division Signals troop on to a liberty ship ready to take back Malaya when news of the Japanese surrender came through. That would have been a hard fight as the 1000 miles back through Burma had been. Japanese would not surrender until Hirohito finally caved “the war situation …”. They left their wounded behind tied to trees as snipers or sitting in a concealed hole in the road with an artillery shell and a rock. Despite disease, hunger, lack of supplies or air cover they kept on to the end. Some hid in the jungle for years afterwards, killing occasionally. I’m a great admirer of Japan and the Japanese but that is simply ahistorical rubbish.

374367 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #682 of 1818 🔗

There’s a historical counterfactual novel in which the bomb is not dropped and the Americans have to fight for every inch of ground. In the end they find they are being attacked by a suicide army of conscript children.
Anybody remmember the author/title?

374467 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, #683 of 1818 🔗

Don’t know what that book’s called but I’d be surprised if it was as good as The Man In The High Castle.

375416 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Annie, #684 of 1818 🔗

the Americans have to fight for every inch of ground.

Sure. The Americans were far from setting foot on the Japanese mainland when the Soviet Union was ready to land in Hokkaido. Wikipedia is a Liepedia and one of their establishment stooge editors was sentenced to pay Euro 8000 for manipulation of facts:

https://kenfm.de/bahnbrechendes-urteil-zur-wikipedia-8000-euro-schmerzensgeld/

Usually they offer German articles/videos also in English after they have been translated. It also shows that the blog who first published the story about wikipedia being fake Western establishment propaganda was smeared and canceled by google/youtube. It is now all in the open and shows the filth that is Western media/wikipedia manipulation.

374451 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #685 of 1818 🔗

agreed . the japanese were never going to surrender. the allies estimated that a conventional invasion would cost half million allied lives and more than five millions japanese.
so the allies try to force surrender by conventional bombing. The firebombing of Tokyo killed over 100,000 . That still did not bring the Japanese to the negotiation table.
The atomic bombs each caused less deaths than the Tokyo bombing. But as an act of persuasion it worked.

375419 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to mj, 1, #686 of 1818 🔗

Tell me where the Soviet forces were in spring of 1945. This U.S. centric fairy tale about both the defeat of Germany and Japan is pathetic. The U.S. losses paled in comparison to the losses of the Soviet Union at both their Western and far Eastern frontlines. It was the Soviet Union who defeated Japan without atomic bombs.
Just like the Nazis in the West, Soviet forces crushed Japan in the East. The Japanese were done for, as were the Nazis.
The two atomic bombs were dropped to intimidate the Soviet Union. Wikipedia is fake history.

375405 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #687 of 1818 🔗

The Soviet Union had already defeated Japan coming from the Northwest. They were ready to land on Hokkaido – the worst outcome for Japan was to be occupied by Soviet forces. In a chess game, this is when the King is dropped.
But I am sure that wikipedia has a different story about that. Like the United States defeating Nazi Germany. Plus, anybody that knows what happened to Dresden, also knows that it was not necessary to drop the atomic bombs. Especially not two of them.
Really sad that the truth gets twisted like that. Truman/the U.S. wanted to show the Soviet Union who is the boss now. This was common history knowledge – at least outside the U.S. until wikipedia came along.

375171 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #688 of 1818 🔗

“Anybody else want to negotiate ?”

🙂 🙂 🙂

374095 RickH, replying to RickH, 25, #689 of 1818 🔗

“There will be no ‘second spike’ – not now, and not in the autumn either.” Young has since graciously admitted that this summer prediction was mistaken.”

… which was a moment of profound weakness.

Indeed there was no autumn ‘spike’ . The rise of mortality in the autumn was well within historical limits. And it wasn’t a ‘spike’ like the April surge – you just need eyesight to see that.

It wasn’t a ‘gracious admission’ – it was a moment of weakness.

374126 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 8, #690 of 1818 🔗

I agree with you, RichH, but I do think it was a mistake for Lockdown sceptics to say there would be no second wave. It left the movement as a hostage to fortune because it was so easy for a government as shameless as this, allied to corrupt advisers, to manufacture a “second wave”. It would have been more sensible to quote Sunetra Gupta who said the lockdown was likely to create more problems in the autumn. I said back in April that I thought we would see less of a “second wave” than Europe in the autumn/ winter because we locked down later; I actually think that is what we are about to see transpire on mainland Europe, although not in Sweden which is even closer to seasonal endemic equilibrium than the UK but we aren’t far behind.

374141 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 8, #691 of 1818 🔗

Do respiratory viruses do waves? Are they not just seasonal? In that case I disagree that it was a mistake for TY to say that, and agree he should not have admitted a mistake for no mistake was made. It would have been enough to say that virsues don’t do waves, they are seasonal, and that mortality was currently within normal parameters.

374151 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 2, #692 of 1818 🔗

I agree with you Julian but you have to reason that the zealots are shameless liars and will manipulate any data to suit the narrative. If TY had made it clear that any “second wave” ( really a seasonal blip) was because of the overly long summer lockdown, he would have been managing the narrative ahead of time. It might not be a pure, scientific argument, but it would have been a lot harder for the zealots to undermine.

374170 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 1, #693 of 1818 🔗

As I said above. If you get into such a conversation ask them about PCR and how they’ve corrected got that? It’s impossible

374165 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 3, #694 of 1818 🔗

But if PCR is misattributing much of the all cause mortality, with a lot of those lockdown deaths, where does that leave your second wave?

You cannot make sense of this without understanding that PCR positive has killed any rational analysis. There was no second wave. The hospitals are overwhelmed mainly due to Covid measures leading to less beds and staff shortages. Again PCR at its core.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-nhs-has-half-the-empty-beds-available-to-non-covid-patients-than-previously-reported/7029362.article?fbclid=IwAR084jBnIUcAMH1DskVtnFOto9h3W7sAKgTLz9Gb2WKbHNPgUYzj6ccrYmI

And because the NHS known the test is not fit for purpose, unless that purpose is to ramp up fear, they’ve going to slowly lower the CT threshold to slide themselves out of this mess.

374191 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #695 of 1818 🔗

You can ignore PCR test results completely and still see this winter is worse than average for deaths.

The excesses above baseline aren’t all covid-19 deaths of course, but a sizable proportion are. As many correctly argued at the time of the first lockdown, NPIs probably reduced a lot of overshoot beyond the herd immunity threshold during the first wave i.e. there were still pockets of high susceptibility to be exploited.

374198 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #696 of 1818 🔗

if you adjust for population growth and ageing population it most definitely is NOT worse than average.

374247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to peyrole, -2, #697 of 1818 🔗

Over what period? I’m probably talking shorter term than you, so we’re probably talking across each other rather than disagreeing.

374226 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #698 of 1818 🔗

“You can ignore PCR test results completely and still see this winter is worse than average for deaths.”

Sorry – 180 degrees wrong.

On a 27-year meaningful baseline, the period to the end of 2020 had median (or lower) mortality – well within maximum/minimum limits for the period.

As to the ‘Covid’ proportion. We’ll never know – but it can’t be particularly significant, given the invariables.

374245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, -1, #699 of 1818 🔗

“Sorry, wrong” isn’t the nicest way to make your case. “Meaningful” is a highly subjective term, so the foundation for your refutation is weak.

Who decides 27 years is the correct period from which to take your baseline? That completely ignores the population adjusted downward trend towards 2010 and the slight upward trend since then, and for that reason, I’m out.

My conclusion is reached by applying this sort of thinking to the UK figures: https://softwaredevelopmentperestroika.wordpress.com/2021/01/15/final-report-on-swedish-mortality-2020-anno-covid/

You’d need to do better than extrapolating a wide tolerance band from a 27 year window to convince me I’m afraid.

374469 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, #700 of 1818 🔗

A sizeable portion are? What if it’s actually flu + lockdown deaths + normal deaths + much reduced Covid-19? Cancer deaths are down, dementia deaths ate down, heart disease down. Has Covid cured these?

More deaths only in England. Scotland, NI and Wales have seen much less excess and in line with normal winters. Does CV-19 respect invisible borders? Why has Sweden seen normal ranges with their approach to all this?

Sorry, PCR has distorted everything. See the Spanish serology studies on patients during their ‘second wave’. It doesn’t reflect the kind of CV19 numbers that it should, dramatically so. Swedenborg on here has posted excellent summaries on that.

You really need to question your position here. PCR is a disaster for rational analysis

374516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #701 of 1818 🔗

I don’t feel I need to question my position here because you’re interpreting me wrong. I’m not claiming PCR testing is highly accurate or that we have anything major to worry about. Some years are slightly higher, some are slightly lower, that’s how averages work.

Cancer, dementia and heart disease aren’t down – those deaths are being hidden in covid numbers – I think you might be arguing with a straw man.

374217 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #702 of 1818 🔗

PCR positive has killed any rational analysis.”

Only in terms of direct attribution to SARS-CoV-2.

All-cause mortality (given the time-lag) does indicate whether anything unusual is happening.

374210 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 4, #703 of 1818 🔗

I think we do need to be precise in our language, Will – which is where we can outdo the liars every time.

So – it would have been more accurate to say :

” A ‘second spike’ is highly unlikely. It is not a general feature of viral outbreaks”.

I did actually back that up by making a prediction of the level of deaths in December – as an illustration of how wild were the forecasts coming from SAGE.

The accuracy was : Mine : -3.5% SAGE : +150%. I claim no Mystic Meg wisdom – just numerate sanity – and I think that’s what we need to stick with. But not concession to those who have been so consistently (and badly) wrong as government.

374304 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 5, #704 of 1818 🔗

I couldn’t agree more with this. Toby Y lost his nerve – on the BBC for God’s sake!

Anyway, here is Michael Yeadon sticking to his guns on Twatter on 19 January (all emphases are mine):

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1351368104325111811.html

I was first drawn into this mess when I met up by chance with a senior manager in NHS England. He’d noticed that, despite ITU beds emptying out late spring & into summer, elective surgery was at an historically low ebb. I’d asked why & he showed me slides from a recent internal meeting.

The #1 priority was not, as I’d expected, “Get the NHS back on its feet & start helping those who’d not been seen during the crisis”. No, it was “Run the NHS as lightly loaded as possible, so as to be prepared for the 2nd wave”. I told him viruses didn’t do waves & this led to my first, touchingly naive piece in Lockdown Sceptics.

It’s a macabre thought that this might not merely have been a misunderstanding of the (un)reliability of Ferguson’s forecasts. By the way, that group at Imperial still haven’t published their model on 2nd wave, or revealed the literature upon which they’d built their predictions.

In case you think they were right, what we’ve had is predictable winter resurgence in areas which didn’t reach herd immunity in spring before warmer weather killed transmission , resurgences which have been self-limiting, as were spring outbreaks. Recall how overwhelmed Liverpool hospitals were in October? Meanwhile, there wasn’t a resurgence of excess deaths at all in London, which reached herd immunity most rapidly in spring.

Thousands of deaths attributed to covid19, but no excess deaths. Some apologists have claimed lockdown reduced deaths from all other causes. Astonishingly, this claimed life saving impact of lockdowns have not been uncovered anywhere else in the world. It never ceases to amaze me the intellectual contortions that otherwise clever people go to to explain really unlikely claims, when there is an explanation that’s wholly consistent with all the observations: that you’ve been lied to.

I suppose it’s self-preservation. You cannot let that thought in, because the illusion that our govt & it’s scientific advisors haven’t been doing their best to help, but to damage us, is just too much to bear. I’m hoping that someone from SAGE will sue me, but they won’t, because then there’d be contested narratives & they’d lose.’ MW

374426 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, -10, #705 of 1818 🔗

I told him viruses didn’t do waves & this led to my first, touchingly naive piece in Lockdown Sceptics.

He’s clearly wrong on this. Whether or not it is defined as a wave is academic. There has been a significant increase in Covid cases – and I mean symptomatic Cases.

I live in an area which experienced very little exposure to the virus in the spring. I knew Yeadon was talking twaddle back then when he asserted that the epidemic was over. It wasn’t over. It had been interrupted by the summer season In the last few weeks dozens of people I now – some close family members – have been very unwell with Covid-19. These individuals are in their 20s, 30s & 40s.

Yeadon has seriously damaged the anti-lockdown cause.

374482 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 1, #706 of 1818 🔗

Yeadon has seriously damaged the anti-lockdown cause.

This statement disregards the degree to which Yeadon has personally promoted the sceptical cause. I personally know a lot of people who were persuaded by the points he made, because he was qualified to make them. He’s not alone, but he was one of a relatively few such people active last summer. I’ve said repeatedly (and at the time) that I felt he was sometimes over-certain in his pronunciations, but he has earned the right to do that in his area of expertise.

Fwiw, I don’t hold with the description of this as a “second wave” either – it’s a winter upsurge combined with a filling in of the gaps from the epidemic wave – arguably in part an “interrupted first wave”.

I understand the argument made by Will and others that it might with hindsight have been more effective to argue that a winter upsurge would be in part due to lockdown (and that was part of the early case against lockdowns). But it’s only possible to make that case because the government has been surprisingly and disappointingly effective at whipping up panic over not particularly alarming numbers (helped by “new variant” propaganda). And it forgets that at the time the priority was ending the then ongoing lockdown by defusing the already created panic, in a situation in which the virus was suppressed by summer.

And regardless, I agree with Miriam, Rick and Julian above, that this was a tactical error by Toby. It was perfectly possible to sustain an argument against the idea that the sceptical predictions were wrong, as Yeadon does perfectly well. The argument that this would have been damaging in the face of the success of the government scaremongering fails to recognise the degree of lasting damage that apology has done and will continue to do. In general, “never apologise” is a good principle in politics (unless you are an unprincipled self-promoter facing a woke witch-hunt and all you care about is trying to save your personal future prosperity, but that’s a different situation).

374368 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to RickH, 7, #707 of 1818 🔗

We should adopt the same techniques as the government:
Rule 1. Never admit you made a mistake.
Rule 2. Never apologise.
Rule 3. Never tell the truth.

374097 Julian, replying to Julian, 27, #708 of 1818 🔗

Outdoor mask wearing looks to have peaked in my town – mainly worried looking people, one or two virtue signalling looking types

Lots of people chatting to friends, dog walkers, stupid cones and tape put around the fountain in the market square have been moved so people can sit on it

No sign of cops or covid wombles

Small consolation

374111 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 5, #709 of 1818 🔗

Did you do any quick calculation, Julian? Yesterday I reckoned between 10% and 15% wearing masks outdoors on the basis of one reasonable sample.

374130 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #710 of 1818 🔗

Yes, that tallies with my experience, in a small county town

I see more in London but that’s because I drive down high streets with shops so people are most likely wearing them between one shop and the next so IMO it doesn’t count

374129 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 8, #711 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps it’s a start, though.
I didn’t notice anyone in our village wearing a muzzle yesterday, except our next door neighbour (though it was a light scarf). She’s never done this before and seemed really worried. She seemed quite put out that I was was wearing a lanyard (which I use for the village shop, as a matter of form for their sake) and said ”if we all wore one we’d all get IT”. I didn’t argue (or say the flimsy scarf does nothing at all) but she didn’t seem to know that you can’t get an ”exemption” from a doctor and seemed quite put out that you could print your own from the internet.

She was always so relaxed in the summer, with deck party gatherings and hugs (and I think she had IT back in the spring, was poorly for a few days, as was her husband). Now, suddenly….. But she’s not the brightest button in the box, nice though she is, so perhaps someone’s scared her besides Johnson, and of course she’s not alone, probably representing a whole swathe of uninformed non-thinkers. How weak people are.

374291 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, 1, #712 of 1818 🔗

I can’t really figure out the outdoor mask wearing pattern where I live. In my town, the number of people wearing masks outdoors is low, except for on the high street when people are going into shops

However, if I drive to the next town, about 4 miles down the road, about half are wearing them outside. I can’t figure out why it’s so different.

374330 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 1, #713 of 1818 🔗

I must say I have only seen one FN on a DPD driver. Everybody who has walked past my house so far today has been bare faced.

374102 Banjones, 24, #714 of 1818 🔗

I feel as if we sceptics are in a pool of sanity, surrounded by people who want to wipe us out. Like frogs in a pond that’s drying up. So it’s either going to rain so that we can get stronger and multiply, or we need to evolve so that we can get out and fight back.

Not sure how, but I suppose it’ll become clearer as people are coerced and restricted more and more with the arrival of spring, when even the most loyal thrall wants to plan its summer getaway.

I’m appalled by how many people seem to think (despite what has been told them) that this poisonous vaccine will bring them freedom! And that taking the poison themselves doesn’t make them safe unless everyone around them has it too! I must say, it never really occurred to me before just how shallow, ignorant and narrow-minded most people are.

374109 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #715 of 1818 🔗

Daily Mail: JOHN HUMPHRYS: Let’s not kid ourselves. The NHS puts a price on ALL our lives.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9178171/JOHN-HUMPHRYS-Lets-not-kid-NHS-puts-price-lives.html

374187 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #716 of 1818 🔗

It’s odd recognising that the pompous Humphrys has said something sensible.

Pity that Jonathan Sumption uncharacteristically phrased his statement so poorly.

.

374358 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to RickH, 5, #717 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. He made the mistake of assuming people would understand what he was saying. In fact they probably did understand but they purposely chose to jump on the phraseology rather than the actual context.

374118 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 30, #718 of 1818 🔗

A part of me being able to physically and mentally withstand lockdown so far has been my environment. I have a warm house and the roof doesn’t leak. I have a small garden and pleasant neighbours, and a patch of woodland at the back.

I think back less than 20 years ago, when I lived in a cramped fourth-floor flat on a huge council estate, with a baby and a toddler who both refused to sleep and two older stepchildren, one of whom was quite disturbed in his behaviour.

It was bloody difficult even with a rewarding and interesting job to go to. This may shock and horrify some people, but I honestly believe that if I’d have been in that situation under present conditions and unable to work, I would have killed myself and possibly the children.

374134 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #719 of 1818 🔗

When living in London me and the oh used to live in a 1 bedroom flat above a shop whilst it was modern and shiny it was 3 rooms with limited storage and no garden. Had we still been living there we are sure we wouldn’t be together.

374178 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #720 of 1818 🔗

Your point is a vital one. This is bad enough for those of us who have a fairly comfortable environment and a reasonable regular income.

But not to have any such is a horrendous prospect.

374387 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #721 of 1818 🔗

No it’s not a shocking thing to say Jo. Our government have no idea how many people live. Who of them have spent time in inner city areas? I feel our government completely distrust the population seeing them as against them. Why else would they have treated people like criminals

374121 John Crichton, replying to John Crichton, 40, #722 of 1818 🔗

Just been reading the DT comments on the latest more deadly mutant virus. Have read hundreds of comments – 99% are rejecting the story and calling out the DT for poor & scaremongering journalism. Our numbers grow daily!

374143 ▶▶ nic, replying to John Crichton, 4, #723 of 1818 🔗

I read the DT most are like me again st lockdowns,you will find that most who read the mirror and the sun are pro lockdown .what can 1 deduce from that.

374147 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John Crichton, 2, #724 of 1818 🔗

Anyone that has been visiting this site from Lockdown 1 reading comments on the DT like “Guys, look at this, the inventor of the PCR said it should be used for mass testing!”

And just kind of realise we so far from home. Only now some people are thinking “Hey, all this testing business is a bit of a lark ain’t it? Why are so many I know testing positive when going into hospital for a broken arm?”

374122 stefarm, 17, #725 of 1818 🔗

Scotland – roll up your sleeves.

Fuck off

374135 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #726 of 1818 🔗

New propaganda format incoming…

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/songs-sing-covid-people-refuse-19672868

Apparently half of ethnic minority populations are refusing the “vaccine”. Creating patronising ethnic music propaganda is the solution. Strange, I thought singing was verboten.

On the positive side, I’m sure the future product of this should generate some spectacular ridicule.

374142 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBluePill, 8, #727 of 1818 🔗

AHH yes, the mind control will be coming thick and fast. Vaccine being refused, shortages, problems with stock. Classic sales techniques all to ramp up the fear to get the poison

374186 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #728 of 1818 🔗

I can just imagine the lunatic who thought that up. Complete with BLM T shirt while burbling “they have a wonderful sense of rhythm don’t they?”

374225 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to TheBluePill, 11, #729 of 1818 🔗

I wonder if the Govt and the BBC (the latter being the true Govt) have considered the vaccine reluctance of the Asian community in the context of the proposed vaccine travel passport.
Those of us who worked alongside asian colleagues are well aware of the constant travel to and fro of families here and relatives in the Indian subcontent. They will not accept a ban on air travel without vaccine documentation and they are an increasingly influential sector of the population, a welcome important brake on the headlong rush to social and economic disaster.

374140 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 11, #730 of 1818 🔗

As the lunatics are running the country the madness of the clowns continues, do they really think quoting this % here and that % there will work, this morning I have seen 30%, 40%, 50% and 90% death rates bandied about. At the rate of infections 30% would mean over 1 Million deaths.

Can we send in the men with white coats for these nutters?

374161 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to cloud6, 1, #731 of 1818 🔗

Not everyone is happy with Boris’ pronouncement https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171

374253 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to cloud6, 1, #732 of 1818 🔗

They not only think quoting percentages works, they know it does.
This benighted land is now full of people who believe that their chance of dying of ( sic ) COVID has leapt from, say, 1% to 31% rather than to1.3%
It’s not difficult (even for a semi-numerate linguist such as I) but it seems to be beyond the wit of so many to understand the relative percentages.
(I’m not really sure Johnson himself understands it, TBH).

374144 PGB1, replying to PGB1, 9, #733 of 1818 🔗

Can we do a crowd funding campaign to start putting out adverts ourselves with an alternative, fact based message? Can the ASA stop us?

374149 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to PGB1, 7, #734 of 1818 🔗

Here’s an idea for one! As I understand it, when covid gets into your cells it starts instructing them to make many more coronaviruses which get released into, let’s face it, usually hospitals.

Luckily the immune system has many lines of defence to stop covid from ever even reaching your cells, but these can be compromised if you’re e.g. unhealthy or overweight.

So how about,

“Every Pie You Eat Means Trillions More Coronaviruses. Lose some Weight, Fatty.”

374172 ▶▶ John Crichton, replying to PGB1, 2, #735 of 1818 🔗

Picking up on the theme of using emotional tactics back on them, came across this brilliant poster on the LS section of Twitter. Hit them where it hurts – Blood on their hands

374174 ▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to John Crichton, 22, #736 of 1818 🔗

… this time with it attached.

374199 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to John Crichton, 13, #737 of 1818 🔗

It would be great if we could get that on some big bill boards.

374231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Janette, 4, #738 of 1818 🔗

No. No chance of big billboards. Bus-shelters and places like that, though. Done overnight- lookout posted, watch for CCTV- wear big bobble-hat and face covering anyway. Only use sellotape- anything any stronger and you could find yourself being charged with criminal damage. Vietcong tactics, not B52 bombers. Think asymmetric warfare. This would be easily doable. The poster above is spot-on; not logical arguments, just hard-hitting emotionalism like wot our enemy uses.

374287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #739 of 1818 🔗

I’m no expert on the law, but I recall a story a few years ago now, in my local area about someone who’s driveway was constantly blocked in by another car [passer by, not known to the household] several times said car even parked literally on the actual driveway, uninvited! Anyway one day the house owner had enough, and plastered some large signs on the car windows with varying messages on (not front windscreen, so view was not impeded) with some kind of extra strong adhesive which caused lots of sticker & paper residue on the window, when they were pulled off. Car owner got Police involved, claiming the householder had caused criminal damage to the car; the police indicated then, that putting things on the window did not impede the necessary visual to drive the car, & that the actual damage occurred when the things were ripped off – ergo it was not the house owner’s fault.

374475 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Janette, #740 of 1818 🔗

I’ve seen another one with a child, …”and tell him his education doesn’t matter”. All very powerful.

374206 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to John Crichton, 9, #741 of 1818 🔗

What are those horrible things below their eyes where the mask should be?

374378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #742 of 1818 🔗

As the Fascists would say, never look a gift horse in the mouth.

374235 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to John Crichton, 2, #743 of 1818 🔗

A while back Recovery projected images onto hospitals.
Time for a rerun, using these images? That would be a poke-in-the-eye double-plus.

374310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #744 of 1818 🔗

Good idea, absolutely. Could add some other choice quotes to the proceedings, such as Van Tam spending weeks in front of a Downing St podium last year, claiming that 15 years of pandemic research have assured everyone that masks are ineffective… or perhaps Whitty’s comments from May 11th (I believe) and other occasions before that, saying that the ‘vast majority’ of people will not get the virus, & only a very very small minority overall will have a severe illness from it.

374249 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John Crichton, 1, #745 of 1818 🔗

Very good, poor old bugger in middle looks alarmingly like me only he’s smartened himself up for the photo.

374534 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to John Crichton, 1, #746 of 1818 🔗

Here’s another one, child abuse (the adult even has her mask on incorrectly, under nose). This picture is one of the sickest I have seen.

374146 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #747 of 1818 🔗

I think if they renamed the latest James Bond movie as “No Time to Live” it might be more appropriate for the times.

374185 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #748 of 1818 🔗

Female Bond now right? And movies made with approval of CCP.. Pass.

374190 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to chaos, 1, #749 of 1818 🔗

It’s like a vegetarian sausage.

Make your own shapes!

374383 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to chaos, 1, #750 of 1818 🔗

Black Lesbian female Bond contemplating sex change.

374422 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Annie, #751 of 1818 🔗

how can you assume that the lesbian is female … that statement is genderphobic and a hate crime…..

374267 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #752 of 1818 🔗

Does Klaus Schwab play the villain in it? All he needs is a Persian cat.

374515 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Burlington, 1, #753 of 1818 🔗

I have visions of him stroking Boris’s bonnett between his legs.

Please kill me now.

374154 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #754 of 1818 🔗

I posted this on yesterday’s comments page, but it was about 1:30am this morning, so for everyone who has not seen this, Here is El Presidente being torn a new arsehole from Andrew Neil.
This is from November 2019, but, it is well worth a watch as she is extremely flustered.
It touches on the NHS also.

Check this out…it’s brilliant.

https://youtu.be/7YYXjr0P6AM

374341 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #755 of 1818 🔗

Sticky Nurgeon looks ill. **Expletives deleted**

374156 Ewan Duffy, 2, #756 of 1818 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0123/1191570-coronavirus-ireland/

Headline:Vaccinations for over 70s may be delayed – Taoiseach
In other words, lockdowns in Ireland will continue.

374157 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 44, #757 of 1818 🔗

Just had a bell from one of the Bro’s, blackout special in Asda, milked it with paramedics called, manager, staff in panic..Bro calling out for his mother, security guard on receiving end of two customers anger over disgraceful treatment of bro, were winning skeptics..

374159 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #758 of 1818 🔗

lol, they reap what they sow

374164 ▶▶ gina, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #759 of 1818 🔗

🙂 genius!

374192 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #760 of 1818 🔗

Was he challenged by public/staff/security guard about a lack of muzzle?

374220 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 14, #761 of 1818 🔗

Yes indeed, security guard insisting one must be worn, manager apologizing to Bro that security guard had miss understood guidance, and would never happen again..to late damage done..

374386 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #762 of 1818 🔗

I ❤️ Bro.

374265 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #763 of 1818 🔗

Hahaha Legend!

374365 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #764 of 1818 🔗

Awesome!

374160 Nobody2021, 5, #765 of 1818 🔗

The article ATL about India suggests that traditional methods of dealing with disease can be effective.

Who’d have thought.

374162 this is my username, 20, #766 of 1818 🔗

Dopamine – let’s talk about that.

So many of you are depressed right now – many of you are, or have been, on the brink of despair and worse. Please stay with us, don’t give up – keep posting, and let’s support each other.

Dopamine is a feel-good chemical, and we need it. We do a lot for it. We get it from human contact (go and see Granny if you want to!). We get it from a good cup of coffee. We get it from a bunch of flowers. We get it from time spent in nature. We get it from many sources.

Try to find the sources which help you most. Make a plan, get every drop of dopamine you can from your day. It will help.

Most of all, as I have said to people from the beginning – do what is best for YOU. The consequences of lockdown are YOURS – the government will not roll back the harm they have done, they can’t. Only you can do what supports you best.

374166 Jaguarpig, replying to Jaguarpig, 25, #767 of 1818 🔗

WHY Doesn’t someone kill all those sage cunts

374180 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #768 of 1818 🔗

well they probably wont take the vaccine which may have achieved part of that goal

374181 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Jaguarpig, 5, #769 of 1818 🔗

As I have said before.. I was a researcher at Imperial. Security there is non-existent. Just saying.

374169 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 5, #770 of 1818 🔗

The questions on the YouGov surveys I receive get more weird by the day.

374171 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 3, #771 of 1818 🔗

And another

374175 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, #772 of 1818 🔗

Yet another

374184 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 1, #773 of 1818 🔗

Sorry for the repetition. One question asked which way you face when in the shower!

374195 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Mutineer, 3, #774 of 1818 🔗

I too did this poll this morning. The shower question is totally bizarre, I can’t think of any point to it.

374211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #775 of 1818 🔗

So why did you do it?

374229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to jos, 1, #776 of 1818 🔗

I registered with YouGov a couple of weeks ago partly to find out how it works and partly to slightly influence the results.

374256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to jos, #777 of 1818 🔗

I do it to try and challenge them. I also love the ‘any comments’ at the end of each survey. I am surprised I haven’t been arrested as I don’t pull any punches. I also love to put the answers they don’t want to hear.

374197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 2, #778 of 1818 🔗

Why?

374202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mutineer, 5, #779 of 1818 🔗

Amazing! Maybe it’s to identify patterns and weed out automated bots or people clicking without thinking? You’d hope there aren’t many “Don’t know” responses to this one.

I like the idea that there’s an equivalent bath question… “When you have a bath, do you face up or down?”

[edit] Turns out some people are “spinners” – https://www.today.com/health/which-way-do-you-face-shower-how-simple-question-blew-t111746

374263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tee Ell, #780 of 1818 🔗

[edit] Turns out some people are “spinners” – https://www.today.com/health/which-way-do-you-face-shower-how-simple-question-blew-t111746

File under “people looking for issues to fill their print quota/time”, imo.

I found the article remarkable , but only for the way it highlights the tendency of people to take a circumstance where people make essentially arbitrary choices and tend to form habits, and blow it up into a supposedly significant issue.

374297 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #781 of 1818 🔗

My sceptical mind is thinking that they may be collecting fully auditable data and then changing the questions later on the get the data they need. A simple database change to make the question “do you support jail terms for non mask compliance”. Then they have a BBC ready headline that X percent support it. I am serious about this. Creating fake statistical data that passes forensic tests is hard. Better to get real data and change the question. This is just a theory, but if it is true then we are in an even darker place than we suspect.

374207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mutineer, #782 of 1818 🔗

They’re having fun, and its not government related in any way, despite the name

374270 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mutineer, 3, #783 of 1818 🔗

They send the results to Professor Feargoeson, he completes another of his famous models, it proves those that face towards the shower are 66% more likely to die from covid, government employs 10,000 ‘shower marshals’.

I like the answer ‘Nah, I never have a shower’ best.

374354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mutineer, #784 of 1818 🔗

They are probably trying to formulate a new emerging science consensus, face the wall when you shower or you will spread aerosols of covid everywhere as the shower “blows” them around your bathroom. Absolute bastards.

374363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mutineer, #785 of 1818 🔗

Dance in the shower?

374413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mutineer, #786 of 1818 🔗

how the f…. can “dont know” be an answer . ?????

374692 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mutineer, #787 of 1818 🔗

If you face away from the shower, you are a COVID spreader.

374356 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mutineer, #788 of 1818 🔗

I got that question in the survey they sent me today. They used to keep asking me how many houses or how many cars I owned with a ‘don’t know’ option!

374401 ▶▶ mj, replying to Mutineer, 1, #790 of 1818 🔗

how come they sent you the Prime Minister version of the survey?

374176 chaos, replying to chaos, 25, #791 of 1818 🔗

No sex please we’re British. No hugging either. Or going outside.

374196 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to chaos, 24, #792 of 1818 🔗

Ha. Since we’re meming I’ll put this here.

374193 pvenkman, 10, #793 of 1818 🔗

America is the place to watch they no longer need COVID now to damage the people in power, if the Americans turn down the cycle count get numbers down can open up say vaccines work numbers show massive growth, other countries will soon follow I think.

374200 DanClarke, 5, #794 of 1818 🔗

Johnson follows the science with impunity, rather like Blair with the F&M. The similarities in the approach to F&M and Covid are disturbing, and scientists are not called Mad for nothing.

374205 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 7, #795 of 1818 🔗

Guardian journalists have had the time their lives during this political crisis. So often do we read the words: ‘A crisis can often be an opportunity’ within the subversive text of their bolshie rag.

Yesterday they argued that we should abolish jury trials because there’s a huge backlog due to lockdown (no mention of the fact most of this is entirely due to innocent people being dished out crippling fines for trying to live normal lives).

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/our-justice-system-is-in-crisis-so-why-not-abolish-jury-trials/ar-BB1cZDyQ?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

They argue that the law system is very ‘conservative’ therefore a bad thing.

374230 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to J4mes, 3, #796 of 1818 🔗

Yes, we could get Neil Feargoeson to model the likelihood of guilt or innocence. After all, it’s ThE scIENce!

374251 ▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, 2, #797 of 1818 🔗

“their bolshie rag”

FFS – The Guardian hasn’t been ‘bolshie’ in the usual sense of the word for ages. That should be obvious.

Thus the ironic epithet ‘The House Journal of MI6’ – i.e. the route for establishment propaganda targeted its audience, who live under the illusion that it is still the independent paper that it once was.

That framework ceased when the Scott Trust became a limited company – over ten years ago, and was marked by some of the best journalists getting the boot. The history is there if you want to look.

(see : Nick Davies – Flat Earth News )

374326 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #798 of 1818 🔗

The comical thing is that the point made by J4mes directly refutes your claim that the Guardian is not still a “bolshie rag”.

Your problem is that the Guardian, like the BBC, adheres to the other left faction from yours.

It’s famously always been the case that factions among the hard left hate each other more than they hate the enemy, as lampooned by Monty Python (“ splitters “), though that related to an earlier and rather different period.

374339 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #799 of 1818 🔗

It’s an excellent read for sure

374379 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to RickH, 3, #800 of 1818 🔗

I’ll continue calling the Guardian a ‘Bolshie rag’ for as long as they behave like a Bolshie Rag, thanks.

374454 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, 1, #801 of 1818 🔗

Same with the Times and the Daily Telegraph- bought wholesale and hollowed out. Both now conduits for state propaganda compiled by tame courtiers.

374402 ▶▶ TC, replying to J4mes, 2, #802 of 1818 🔗

At the risk of not reading the article,did they make any reference to the Diplock courts in Northern Ireland during “The Troubles”?
Not everyone liked them and it rides a coach and horses through the notion of being tried by twelve people as opposed to a judge where many now see the judiciary as part of an increasingly overbearing Establishment.

375385 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to TC, #803 of 1818 🔗

TC I honestly just skim-read it. My skin crawls just being witness to such evil persuasion.

374548 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to J4mes, 1, #804 of 1818 🔗

when are we going to lock down the fucking guardian? I think they’re pretty non-essential

374212 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 67, #805 of 1818 🔗

Just returned from a truly miserable experience at Sainsburys in Kidderminster.
At the entrance there are notices with the words “Please shop alone if possible”; well being as my wife and myself have to shop for 3 households (ourselves, my 95 year old mother in law and our younger son who works unsocial hours and does not drive), I foolishly thought “no, it’s not possible for either of us to shop alone” and so, in we went.
Within a minute, along comes the “security guard” with the words “Can one of you wait outside while the other one does the shopping?”
Now bear in mind that we are both 72 and we could have played the “age card”.
“IS IT THE LAW THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SHOP ALONE, THEN”, I asked him, ” No” he replied “It’s advisory”.
“Well, consider us advised then” I replied and carried on.
What really depressed me though was the nearby “sheep” cowering at how an bald old git could possibly question the “new” religion.
But I have decided to do what FS’s have said and go in separately and meet up inside.

374223 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip, 36, #806 of 1818 🔗

“IS IT THE LAW THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SHOP ALONE, THEN”, I asked him, ” No” he replied “It’s advisory”.
“Well, consider us advised then” I replied and carried on.

Excellent response.

374392 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #807 of 1818 🔗

LS of the day award goes to Philip !

374415 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, #808 of 1818 🔗

Come on, mj, you will have me blushing.
I wonder if the Bozzer and his merry band of loathsome experts and advisers ever blush?

374394 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #809 of 1818 🔗

Well done for not kicking the lousy bugger where it hurts most.
We’re with you both! We appreciate what you do.

374406 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #810 of 1818 🔗

Thank you Annie, we both appreciate your support.

375401 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Fingerache Philip, #811 of 1818 🔗

The sensible ones amongst us will already be making contingency plans for the very real chance (I actually regard it as certain) that it will become increasingly difficult to buy provisions before the end of this year. The government has predictably continued to turn the screw since the beginning of this tyranny, each time with more confidence it can push us harder towards total subservience.

We’re looking at our savings/pensions being plundered when our celebrity chancellor has finally blown the last penny on SEISS, corporate bailouts and mass extreme propaganda.

This at the same time stocks in shops get choked off due to borders being shut down (Brexit being blamed, so continuing the divisiveness) and the shops themselves becoming more strict, less convenient and harder to approach.

It’s already overdue we begin to think outside the box.

374221 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 27, #812 of 1818 🔗

Number of my elderly customers have come in today, beaming because they’ve either had the jab or are getting it later on. I asked one lady who had just had hers “was it the Pfizer vaccine?” The answer came back “oh, I don’t know.”

Unbelievable. They don’t even know which vaccine they’re taking let alone what’s in it!!

374252 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Scotty87, 15, #813 of 1818 🔗

Which by proxy means there’s zero chance they’ve provided informed consent.

374360 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Scotty87, 10, #814 of 1818 🔗

well of course they don’t know, the average UK joe is as thick as pig shit. More clueless that a box of cluedo with the cards missing. Absolute dribbling morons.

374388 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Two-Six, 4, #815 of 1818 🔗

and so 50% must therefore be thicker that that

374538 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, #816 of 1818 🔗

sadly, that extends to a sizeable proportion of the so-called ‘educated’ – the doctors, journalists, scientists – the very elites themselves are so often just not very bright

374480 ▶▶ davews, replying to Scotty87, #817 of 1818 🔗

They should have been given a little card telling them which one they had..

374531 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Scotty87, #818 of 1818 🔗

it’s pathetic and sad, the levels of naivety and gullibility, the complete docility with which the authorities are trusted and believed

374224 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #819 of 1818 🔗

In deciding whether to lockdown or not, the government should have performed a cost benefit analysis (but didn’t). This would have looked at predicted QALYs saved from lockdown to QALYs lost from lockdown.

QALYs lost include the suicides, recession leading to less money for health services in future etc. I have read papers giving values like 3 months per individual for a 2008 style recession – this gives 15 million life years (QALYs) lost in comparison to the 5 million saved through lockdown (a massive overestimate in any case).

I am interested in the QALYs lost through the restrictions alone in directly reducing our quality of life. How much has each of us lost just due to our lives being of lower quality than when we are free?

One method is the Time Trade Off. Ask someone how long they would trade for perfect health (or to be free) over being in poor health (or unfree).

So, given that we have lived under various restrictions since 23rd March last year, sometimes worse, sometimes better – and these may carry on for years…I will call these ‘restrictions’.

Question

If you had 10 years left to live under ‘restrictions’, how many of those total years of life would you trade to live without restrictions? Would you rather live 8 years free rather than 10 years under restrictions? If yes, you would trade 2 years. Would you rather die free tomorrow than live 10 years under restrictions? If yes, you would trade 10 years.

What would you trade?

374232 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to steve_w, 2, #820 of 1818 🔗

In deciding whether to lockdown or not, the government should have performed a cost benefit analysis (but didn’t). This would have looked at predicted QALYs saved from lockdown to QALYs lost from lockdown.

They sort of did – the analysis said it could be really bad but that it was very hard to predict and then they mostly ignored it.

374257 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #821 of 1818 🔗

At the Coronavirus Daily Update of 10 April 2020 Matt Hancock admitted that the government had not made any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. He promised to look into it as a matter of urgency and inform us of the result. He has not done so. Indeed, even as the SI for lockdown version three was placed before MPs this year, it clearly stated: no impact assessment.

374261 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #822 of 1818 🔗

I think this is the core of how they fucked up and what should see them prosecuted for it

374279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 3, #823 of 1818 🔗

The failure demonstrates that the government adopted an irrational, irresponsible and incompetent approach to policy-making on the coronavirus issue. That is, assuming their professed motivation is true.

374524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, #824 of 1818 🔗

….which it’s not. none of this is about a virus, or a public health policy, I think we need to just move on from that idea now, forget about all these graphs showing deaths and infections and hospital beds and all the other nonsense, and concentrate on what’s REALLY going on here

374276 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Steve Hayes, #825 of 1818 🔗

In my view they did the analysis and ignored it, but I’m not trying to argue the case as I don’t have much more to say on it ha. Here’s one of the reports: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/907616/s0650-direct-indirect-impacts-covid-19-excess-deaths-morbidity-sage-48.pdf

374286 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tee Ell, #826 of 1818 🔗

Yes I have read it. Here is something of interest. It is dated 15 July 2020. The lockdown was introduced 23 March 2020. A rational, responsible, competent policy-maker assesses the costs and benefits prior to making a policy decision.

374305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #827 of 1818 🔗

They could have asked this guy

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/publications/j-value-assessment-of-how-best-to-combat-covid-19

who published very early on that lockdown would kill more than it saves if recession is worse than 2008

374236 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 5, #828 of 1818 🔗

“5 million saved through lockdown”.

I’m not arguing with your general point Steve but it cannot be proven that lockdown has lengthened anyone’s life by one second.

BTW I’d trade the rest of eternity for one day of freedom again, to answer your question.

374246 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #829 of 1818 🔗

the 5 million is a Ferguson estimate. I believe it to be zero. I’m only including to show that ‘even on their terms, lockdown is provably the worst course of action’

374281 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, #830 of 1818 🔗

Sorry mate, my misunderstanding.

374239 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 5, #831 of 1818 🔗

Another factor might be that some rights are simply inviolable in a democratic society.

374248 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 4, #832 of 1818 🔗

I agree – I think those rights ‘should’ be inviolable – but they unfortunately aren’t. I think its a conversation society needs to have with itself

374336 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, #833 of 1818 🔗

Once they locked down it was already too late.

Any cost/benefit analysis would show they’d made a huge mistake. The longer it’s gone on the worse it would appear. This is why we’ll never see one.

374227 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 24, #834 of 1818 🔗

Today it’s revealed that the government have decided to ditch plans to decriminalise non-payment of the BBC licence fee.

So here we are, once again, witnessing the Tories breaking their promise to deal with the BBC. The explanation for this is so very straight forward: the government and the BBC are intrinsic. The government (under which ever colour/label) use the BBC to drive their policies. It’s unthinkable that they ever abandon it.

374241 ▶▶ Mark, replying to J4mes, 16, #835 of 1818 🔗

Entirely unsurprising.

You can argue that it’s just a quid pro quo for the BBC’s usefulness spreading panic in the current useful “emergency”, but the wider reality is that “Conservatives” have talked a great fight against the BBC when out of office for decades, only to do nothing about it when in office. Just like they do on other key issues such as mass immigration. It’s because they are liars, saying things to get votes that they do not themselves believe in.

374255 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 11, #836 of 1818 🔗

The State’s never going to relinquish control of the State Broadcaster, any more than the Soviet Politburo would have sold off Radio Moscow. Never going to happen. Same with the- sorry, “our”- NHS.

374290 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #837 of 1818 🔗

Indeed, but you would think “Conservatives” who complain when out of office about the gross BBC bias against them and their supposed causes, which contributed significantly to keeping them out of office for 13 years after 1997, would understand that if they do nothing about it when in office it will still be there kicking them and indoctrinating the population against their supposed causes once they are out of office again.

The explanation for this seeming conundrum is simply that “Conservatives” do not have any personal problem with the gross and systematic BBC bias against conservatism because they are not themselves conservative.

The issue has also been complicated recently by the BBC commitment to the Blairite left, rather than the other left faction, which more than ever means the “Conservative” Party hierarchy (themselves Blairites) share the fundamental attitudes of the BBC. All that is left is a kind of nominal partisan bias, which is easily overcome when really important issues are at stake, as seen with the BBC turn to grudging support for the “Conservatives” when the hated Corbynite faction temporarily had nominal control of the Labour Party.

375369 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Mark, -1, #838 of 1818 🔗

I often say the only thing the Tories conserve is the steady drive of ‘progressive’ politics. And when we talk about ‘progressive’, it must be understood that, like everything with Marxist inspired politics, progressivism should be translated as degressive .

War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

I’ve said for years that Westminster is a theatre with puppets and actors. Like WWE wrestling (please bear with me!) where the fake fighters pull punches and perform stunts to fool the audience. You have the commentators excitedly adding to the narrative and flashy graphics to hypnotise the public.

In stead of wrestling we have debate. If the commentators (BBC et al) are in on the act, it becomes very hard for the public to detach themselves from the narrative – and like a real life soap opera, they feel apart of it and compelled to join in – hence the pot bangers on Thursday nights.

It’s a full-blown psychological warfare.

374299 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #839 of 1818 🔗

That’s the reality.

It’s always been part of the reality about the BBC – but the recent years have seen much more direct and indirect political control of the Corporation, so that we now have News and Current Affairs becoming in many aspects just propaganda.

The Tories, BTW, have never been in favour of uncontrolled media – as we see now, they are quite happy if it reflects their narrow perspective. The art is getting a separation from direct political control. The latest Director General has funded the Party.

Ditching the BBC is largely beside the point – it’s the control structures that are the issue, and mega commercial corporations aren’t going to solve the problem.

374443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, #840 of 1818 🔗

Yep. Lord Reith telegrammed Stanley Baldwin during the 1926 General Strike to advise him he could rest assured that the BBC wouldn’t be truly impartial (or words very close to that effect), although he allowed a superficial narrative of dispute with HMG about the BBC’s obligation to report events impartially to be disseminated. ‘Twas ever thus, etc, contd. p. 94.

374497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #841 of 1818 🔗

That was before the long march through the institutions, of course.

375420 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, #842 of 1818 🔗

The Tories break all promises…..never ever trust them they are scum of the earth.

374282 ▶▶ Basics, replying to J4mes, 10, #843 of 1818 🔗

1 million pensioners who have been forced now to pay haven’t. Good for them – support them entirely. If you still have a license give some thought to what you are paying for. Is the BBC proaganda? Is it a purveyor of fear and/or terror? Why fund that?

374324 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 3, #844 of 1818 🔗

yes, I’d sooner give money to ISIS

375408 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JaneHarry, #845 of 1818 🔗

Careful JaneHarry, that’s a whole other can’o’worms!

374375 ▶▶ TC, replying to J4mes, 2, #846 of 1818 🔗

Well, the Ministry of Truth has to be funded somehow however distorted it’s output.
I remember years ago of the PRC charging the cost of the executioner’s bullet to the family of the executed criminal.
Let the proles pay for their own misinformation.

374237 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #847 of 1818 🔗

‘Covid’ is about transitioning the world’s financial system. Full Stop.

Splendid article at OffG. Agree with a lot.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/

This comment from ‘Maxwell’ is also outstanding:

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/#comment-308502

Excerpt from comment:

“The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.

What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.”

374300 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 2, #848 of 1818 🔗

If someone truly believes this then there is a killing to be made if they put their money in the right place

374340 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #849 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. I suspect the insiders are in position.

374315 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 2, #850 of 1818 🔗

brilliant: this makes sense to me, I had a vague sense it would something like this behind it; all the ‘Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, NWO’ itself had the feel of some fantasy, something lifted from a sci-fi movie, no less than the deadly plague itself. the truth was always going to be more banal.

374344 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #851 of 1818 🔗

Yes, something about Bill Gates and especially Klaus Schwab, smells of Central Casting, doesn’t it?

374321 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 2, #852 of 1818 🔗

There’s no way almost every country in the world has destroyed themselves to prop up America. That article reads like a perfect way to get scepticsl people to take their eyes off of the ball re: compulsory vaccinations, further surveillance and the changing of the fabric of our society.

374364 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, 3, #853 of 1818 🔗

The haven’t destroyed themselves because they know the end for the current order is coming anyway.

The priority for them now is to institute the social controls they think they need in order to control the chaos of the transition.

Notice how the countries with the most vicious lockdowns, outside of the American blue states, are the other Five Eyes countries plus the most indebted countries of the Eurozone.

The further one gets from the epicentre of financial crisis, the less seriously ‘covid’ is taken – see Russia, Belarus, Brazil, China, India.

Sweden – why is Sweden the outlier in Europe?

Never a member of NATO. Late to join the EU. Did not join the Euro.

Belongs to the less indebted countries in Europe.

Which countries in Europe have the most debt?

Exactly the same countries which have the hardest lockdowns.

Why is the UK government – and others – so unconcerned about throwing huge amounts of money around?

Because they know hyperinflation will destroy the real value of debt – and paper assets.

374393 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 1, #854 of 1818 🔗

Oh, I don’t doubt the ultimate end of this is one entwined with a shifted economic paradigm, I just don’t think America are running the show.

374424 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jb12, 3, #855 of 1818 🔗

No- I’d say the U.S. Deep State is balls-deep in it, but not in supreme command, as it were.

374433 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, #856 of 1818 🔗

I agree.

That’s where I disagree with the article too.

I think it is being done with international consensus.

374242 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #857 of 1818 🔗

Zoe update

just carrying on as before – latest R=0.77 (lower than last summers 0.85)

Predicted hasn’t changed – total symptomatic in society to have halved by end Jan

374477 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, #858 of 1818 🔗

Is last summer’s 0.85 a zoe calculation, or from the govt? Or your own calculation? Just curious.

374673 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, #859 of 1818 🔗

It was from a Royal Society publication

Zoe doesn’t allow me to see data that far back and I wasn’t writing it down then 🙁

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-covid-19-R-estimates.pdf

page 49

374677 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #860 of 1818 🔗

you can see lockdown does the square root of fuck all

374254 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 21, #861 of 1818 🔗

The 7-day moving average for ‘covid deaths’ in the UK is now 1241

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk

This is about 19 per million per day

The 7-day moving average for ‘covid deaths’ in Sweden is now 19

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden

THis is less than 1.9 per million per day

Bottom line:

The UK with masks and lockdowns has a current ‘covid death rate’ ten times as high as Sweden.

374260 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to rockoman, 7, #862 of 1818 🔗

We know that can’t be true – it’s not possible. The figures are wrong – they are being skewed to get the effect they want. The plan is to destroy the UK.

374266 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 9, #863 of 1818 🔗

The term ‘hoist with own petard’ comes to mind. The vastly exaggerated figure comes directly out of the nonsense way of defining ‘Covid’ deaths.

374269 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #864 of 1818 🔗

Exactly

374473 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to rockoman, 1, #865 of 1818 🔗

Swedish people don’t die in the same way as British people. They’re still alive when they die, that’s why the figures are so low, but don’t worry, they still died, and definitely of covid.

374259 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 32, #866 of 1818 🔗

I was talking with a mate recently. He’s one of those ‘Just go along with it, it can do no harm’ types. You know the sort. Believes masks work, believes lockdowns work, hasn’t bothered to properly look into either, just goes along with his instinct, because masks *must* work, right? It’s just logical, because people’s faces are ‘covered’ and thus they ‘protect’ (which of course only begs the question), and lockdowns *must* work, right? It’s just logical, because it must ‘stop’ the spread of the virus (which is horrendously naive).

What does one do with a mate like this? He’s not a lockdown zealot. He’s a good lad, one of my best mates, yet trying to get him to take the time and investigate these things is like trying to get Chelsea to forget the money, bring the old Stamford Bridge back, complete with Shed End and Benches, and settle in a lower division away from the poncy limelight. Never gonna happen. He thinks it’ll all be over soon. I ask him where he gets this idea. He says, ‘Well it has to be, doesn’t it? Gotta end sometime, Dan!’ Does my nut in. Government constantly gives itself further excuses to keep this nightmare going, such as its disturbing new fetish for new variants and its overdramatising the matter, and people like my mate think it’ll all be over soon!

How many people are like this, too ignorant and bone idle to do the proper legwork required before jumping on board with such unprecedented and bizarre measures? It’s depressing. I don’t go too hard on him for obvious reasons, but I’ve told him straight. He needs to pull his finger out and start looking into things. Falls on deaf ears. Yeah alright, Dan! I want to knock him out. I think these types are just as culpable as the zealots. They have stood by and not even bothered to ask the most basic, fundamental questions.

374278 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #867 of 1818 🔗

I know exactly the type you mean. And if I do make any progress with them they go quiet, look troubled, and then suddenly remember that their grandad/auntie Maggie/uncle Dave is “vulnerable” and contentment settles across their faces…

374292 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #868 of 1818 🔗

I bet he “doesn’t do poltitics”, wants to please everyone

374312 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #869 of 1818 🔗

Only idiots ‘do politics’; football for the ‘intellectuals’.

374437 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jb12, 3, #870 of 1818 🔗

That would be fine if the ones who “do politics” would keep their noses out of other folk’s damned business, but the reality is that the politics doers are coming for you regardless how much you ignore it and them. If nothing else, this panic lockdown should have hammered that lesson home beyond contradiction for everyone. Elect people who are ideologically committed to minding their own business (if you can find them), or get something like lockdown inflicted upon you as soon as a pretext arises.

Defensive politics.

It’s a bit like the response to pacifists who argue for beating our swords into plowshares – in the end, in the real world, those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plow for those who keep their swords, whether the swords and the ploughing are real or metaphorical.

374418 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #871 of 1818 🔗

But of course politics is what you do .

374303 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to JohnDanny, 13, #872 of 1818 🔗

Remain patient, keep persisting, he will turn. The real zealots – who I consider to be a very small but unfortunately loud and powerful minority – are extremists who never want to see things back to normal. Once your pal realises this, he will turn.

For a lot of people it will hopefully start when they’re told the vaccines are not enough to allow normality to resume.

That said, as we know this is a seasonal virus, so once the “cases” and “covid deaths” start falling naturally as the flu season ends, will the protagonists use this as political cover to justify their disastrous policies? Or have the extremists really taken over and will find a way to keep it going? Time will tell.

374328 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #873 of 1818 🔗

Many don’t want to believe they are being duped.

374333 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #874 of 1818 🔗

It is far, far easier to persuade someone to believe pseudoscientific nonsense than to get them to examine and evaluate the relevant evidence.

374409 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #875 of 1818 🔗

Cooke/Hudson/Osgood/Hutchinson/Houseman ;_) Think about that forward line for half an hour and forget about your mate while you’re doing it: you’ll feel a lot happier.

374432 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #876 of 1818 🔗

Vintage Big Match on ITV 4 has been a Godsend the last few months.

374478 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #877 of 1818 🔗

ill raise you a Lorimer Clarke Jones Giles Gray .. Good times

375184 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mj, 1, #878 of 1818 🔗

Dirty team. Cloughie was right. 🙂

375391 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to JohnB, #879 of 1818 🔗

Ha ha. Can of worms or what!

374565 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #880 of 1818 🔗

Great shout! I feel better already. Those boys were before my time, and when I was first going down Chelsea (mid 80s) they and other legends were brought out at half-time at home games and given the respect they deserved. The roar which greeted legends like Osgood and Harris was unbelievable.

I’ll still take Kerry Dixon over any of those boys 😀

374412 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #881 of 1818 🔗

I know far too many of this type. They are NPCs (non playing characters). they are the background in a computer game. They will never wake up.

374435 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #882 of 1818 🔗

Great description!

374421 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #883 of 1818 🔗

Good afternoon John,

I really appreciated you writing this and also agree in many ways they are as equally culpable as the zealots, albeit by lacking any critical thinking skills.

I find myself in a similar situation with many of my friends (to the point where I had to leave our collective WhatsApp group for my own sanity – up till last March the arguments were all centred around VAR). I still keep in contact separately with the few saner members. It’s very sad as we have known each other since school but it is what it is.

Not sure what your pal does for a living or his personal situation, but it strikes some that the longer things don’t return to normal, even someone so incurious might start to smell a rat. Perhaps when he is financially affected or something like that.

If the tide turns and the media start to change their tune, you know for sure that his type will be the first to suddenly do a 180, like that character on The Fast Show.

Best regards

Simon

374445 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SimonCook, 2, #884 of 1818 🔗

Indecisive Dave, possibly Paul Whitehouse’s finest creation.

374535 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to SimonCook, #885 of 1818 🔗

Hello Simon. Call me Danny or Dan.

I’m sorry that some of your friendships are suffering. I see this a lot. With families too. I think this issue has been more divisive than ‘Brexit,’ if that is possible!

No, my mate has not been impacted financially, but then I have friends who *have* been hit in the pocket, hard, and yet are falling over themselves to obey Government diktats. They’re fully on board the Covid bandwagon. They’re strapped in tight. So I’ve no reason to believe that if he became affected financially he’d start thinking. And of course, needless to say, I don’t want him to take a financial hit. I just want the wally to use his brain.

All the best, my friend.

374648 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to JohnDanny, #886 of 1818 🔗

Cheers Danny.

I think Brexit would be a walk in the park compared to this, to be honest! The only solace is that my wife is very much of the same bent as me (she grew up in Caracas so has never had any trust in governments).

On a lighter note. Funny you mentioned Stamford Bridge in the 80’s. One of my mates is a Chelsea fan, and his dad used to take a group of us up to games where we sat in the lower tier of the main stand. I always remember the terrace opposite was fenced off- pretty sure we saw them play both Liverpool and Spurs. Obvioulsy Dixon was the main man of course, but I think his favourite player was ‘Jukebox’ Durie.

This sounds mad to say now, but years later he snuck in the ground when it was being renovated and took various photos of him and a pal on the pitch, posing next to various bits of broken-down roofs/stands etc… Not sure health & safety was all that strict back then! 🙂

Best regards

Simon

374825 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to SimonCook, #887 of 1818 🔗

Ha ha. Marvellous stuff. Those were great days.

‘…we sat in the lower tier of the main stand. I always remember the terrace opposite was fenced off- pretty sure we saw them play both Liverpool and Spurs. Obvioulsy Dixon was the main man of course, but I think his favourite player was ‘Jukebox’ Durie.’

Ah, the East Stand. My lot used to stand in the Shed or sit in the Benches/West Stand next to the North Stand/away end. Other than my time with my son, they were the best days of my life.

Yes, Durie went from Jukebox to Judas, unfortunately. He was such a good player and a great foil for Dixon. And Nevin was dynamite.

Mind how you go, my friend, and don’t let the bastards grind you down.

374470 ▶▶ stevie, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #888 of 1818 🔗

The problem for a lot of people is it is even scarier to consider that the government is lying.

375060 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #889 of 1818 🔗

Sad to say, most people are intellectually idle. Doesn’t necessarily make them bad people of course. But longer term if too many people in a society are like this it is incompatible with freedom …

(Good to see ‘beg the question’ used correctly!)

375170 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 1, #890 of 1818 🔗

‘But longer term if too many people in a society are [intellectually idle] it is incompatible with freedom…’

Exactly right. Very well put.

374262 Lockdown Sceptic, 23, #891 of 1818 🔗

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY

30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

374271 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 37, #892 of 1818 🔗

Happy to report that the bench ban is getting a bit of a monstering on a local Arsebook page. Can’t open up the page, otherwise would post. My favourite is that perhaps the benches in the town square (not similarly banned) have had the jab. Other good news is that plenty of people are ignoring the signs.

374295 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 12, #893 of 1818 🔗

It would be awful if some unknown person or persons, doubtless rendered distraught and emotional by the ongoing crisis, were to vandalise or remove such signs. Especially since if they do it at night and wearing masks it’s unlikely the cameras undoubtedly monitoring the area could identify them and catch the rascals…

374332 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 11, #894 of 1818 🔗

Yes, it would be terrible if that were to happen …

I always give the camera a cheery wave whenever I am outside as the Head Council Goon boasted to me once that he has a live feed streamed to his phone!

374362 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to kh1485, 3, #895 of 1818 🔗

That Goon is a very sad person…but with a jobsworth’s power to be a PITA.

374371 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Mark, 4, #896 of 1818 🔗

How far is it from Saffron Walden to Tenby?

374403 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 3, #897 of 1818 🔗

That would be an egregious act of civic irresponsibility which none of us could possibly condone out loud. Eh?

374273 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 17, #898 of 1818 🔗

“Ok people, we have a problem. The people are getting seriously fed up with our BS. They’re getting tired of policing eachother, and the carrot of freedom we’ve been dangling in front of their noses for the past year is not working any more. What can we do?”

“Well… if only we could get them scared again… like… What if we make them believe the virus is more dangerous?”

“Yes! Yes! And it spreads faster!”

“That would be great, but we can’t say we haven’t noticed it doing that. That would make us look like the incompetents we are.”

“Well… what if we make it a new strain, then?”

“Great idea! And then we just need to do more tests to show increased numbers.”

“No, i have a better solution. Instead of running after people to test them, let’s give the people 500 quid if they get a positive test. That will make everyone flock to test centers.”

“Brilliant idea! Everyone will be scared of this new strain, and they’ll be so eager to get a test and inflate their numbers and scare themselves even more!”

Or, at least, that’s how the story goes in my mind.

374430 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #899 of 1818 🔗

My local newspaper reported yesterday that within 10 days my market town will have a LFT centre especially for asymptomatic people.
Intended for key workers and people who cannot work from home or who have contact to vulnerable people. Appointment needed.

I am thinking of staging a protest/info outside.
Could do with some help what to put on my poster.

I like: a positive test means more Lockdown.

374498 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, #900 of 1818 🔗

“Well, why not, as you wouldn’t pass your 11+s !”

-test + testosterone

Muppets !

I’d rather be in the pub !

Treat cancer/heart/mental patients instead !

Fuck Johnson.

Read the LFT packaging first !

374275 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #901 of 1818 🔗

Oh look what was quietly retracted during the week:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Right on time for Beijing Biden to approve it’s use and save the world from “covid” and for the CD to start using 30 or lower Ct cycles for the PCR test as theyw ere laying teh groundwork for last week.

374289 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #902 of 1818 🔗

This was retracted quite a while ago no?

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-controversial-hydroxychloroquine-study/

Unless this is another

374737 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, #903 of 1818 🔗

Great.

This is what they said and then it got retracted:

Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with a second-generation macrolide, are being widely used for treatment of COVID-19, despite no conclusive evidence of their benefit. Although generally safe when used for approved indications such as autoimmune disease or malaria, the safety and benefit of these treatment regimens are poorly evaluated in COVID-19.

374277 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 5, #904 of 1818 🔗

Centre page of the current ‘The Light’ newspaper. Awesome collection of information.

374504 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #905 of 1818 🔗

(computer-hesitants, ‘save image as’ onto your device, then use magnifying tool.).

374729 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, #906 of 1818 🔗

Great thanks.

Or click on this link and read the whole newspaper
The-Light-Truthpaper-Issue-5.pdf

374283 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #907 of 1818 🔗

Watch close – where does he go to? Matrix glitch? Film error?

http://82.221.129.208/obamavanish.mp4

Is anything on TV real anymore?

374320 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #908 of 1818 🔗

No, all fake

374343 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Awkward Git, #909 of 1818 🔗

That does look mighty suspicious, especially to those of us who use backgrounds on Teams/Zoom etc. However in reality it looks like a genuine digital artifact – a small horizontal row of the image (around the height of Obama’s forehead) got repeated down the whole image. So I think this is innocent – but there is lots of other stuff about inauguration that was not innocent!

374399 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #910 of 1818 🔗

This made me laugh (gatecrasher at the White House):

https://t.me/wwg1wga_love_news/1685

374471 ▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #911 of 1818 🔗

he seems to be temporarily replaced by a giant sausage. (to paraphrase JFK – Ich bin ein Frankfurter ). maybe he is an alien and the hologram that he projects to look human had a glitch

374284 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 30, #912 of 1818 🔗

Let’s go shopping!!

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://t.me/thegreatreopening
30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

374381 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #913 of 1818 🔗

Me definitely but do you know where to go to find out who is opening?

374479 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #914 of 1818 🔗

I cannot see any of our local pubs or restaurants opening up. Not round here. WAY TOO brainwashed.

374518 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Two-Six, 4, #915 of 1818 🔗

I think it’s unlikely around here. We’ll take a walk and see if anything is happening. I’d buy a drink if the pub was open but around here it’s highly populated with bedwetters. Sorry not even going to bother trying to not insult them now.

374288 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #916 of 1818 🔗

Worrying findings in the Imperial React study of the latest Covid19 wave, including that the odds of infection have increased markedly for black people ..

Hmmm. What a coincidence!

… it is now the case that BAME people are singled out for their non-compliance with vaccine orthodoxy: only 55% of the Asian community would take up the vaccine, they say…

374316 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #917 of 1818 🔗

This is getting ridiculous now.

If I walk through a doorway the odds of me having walked through that doorway are markedly higher than had I not walked through it. 100 people walking through that same doorway could be described in the same way. Had they chosen not to walk through that doorway I could just as easily say the odds of them walking through it were zero.

That has nothing to do with risk but purely an observation of an event after the fact and trying to describe it with maths.

374335 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #918 of 1818 🔗

According to Spectator TV (Thursday night – Fraser Nelson on Andrew Neil show) the React study used a data set from the end of Nov and then one from the beginning of January – completely ignoring the Dec increases in between and thereby rendering any comparisons irrelevant.

374472 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to neilhartley, #919 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. The first two weeks of January definitely had more ‘cases’ than the last two of November, so technically they are correct. Except that it has peaked in between and is now well on the return path.

374466 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, #920 of 1818 🔗

Are they trying to say that black people are breaking the rules more than white people, without actually saying so because that would be racist, innit?

374296 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #921 of 1818 🔗

Glad to see the result of that trial in Germany. Maybe this is a sign that the tide is changing. Hopefully, one day, we will be able to put these insane despots on trial, and see them off to jail for the devastation they caused.

374398 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #922 of 1818 🔗

Triumph of hope over expectation though!

374637 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #923 of 1818 🔗

Sadly it does not seem to make much waves even in the sceptical media.

374682 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #924 of 1818 🔗

If I had a buck for every time I read on these threads the phrase “the tide is turning”…

374298 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #925 of 1818 🔗

Now, correct me if i’m wrong… but if everyone is looking at a poster of three monkeys and sees three monkeys, but you look at it and you see black people… wouldn’t that make you the racist?

374314 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #926 of 1818 🔗

A racist is someone who sees our species as being divided into separate races and those races as being hierarchically ordered. Whose behaviour is described by this definition?

374345 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #927 of 1818 🔗

That’s one definition.

In the broadest sense, a racist is someone who recognises the biological reality of race and the fact that it has potential significance, albeit the degree of such said significance is open to question. Or, in other words, a normal person whose opinions have not been warped away from reality by ideological indoctrination.

When you introduce the idea of there being some kind of “hierarchical ordering” into the definition, you begin to confine the definition to only (arguably) “bad” people.

Originally “racist” meant someone who promotes or engages in active, harmful discrimination on the basis of race – a more extreme form of your “hierachical ordering” demonisation.

Of course the definition shifts according to the convenience of those seeking to exploit the term. The reality, as with all such smear terms, is that either it is a very bad thing and almost nobody is one, or almost everyone is one and it’s not a bad thing at all. Or any point in between, according to the political needs of the moment.

374400 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #928 of 1818 🔗

What does the monkey see?

374501 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #929 of 1818 🔗

Personally I think it’s only racist if you see it as a bad thing.

Otherwise everything you look at could be deemed racist just by virtue of you having looked at it.

374308 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #930 of 1818 🔗

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: 22 January 2021
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/22january2021

The percentage of people with new variant compatible positives has decreased in London, the South East and the East of England in the week ending 16 January 2021; in other regions, increases in new variant compatible positives have generally levelled off

Not sure what they mean by that, but is that saying the mutant variant that we were told spreads more quickly than other versions, isn’t spreading more quickly now? Genuine question as the wording does confuse me and they might not be saying something that implies that.

Has anybody seen any recent expert thoughts on this?

374338 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #931 of 1818 🔗

The raging variant that’s more transmissible is fading away. They’re going to have to move the goalposts again: expect a Solihull Variant soon.

374462 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #932 of 1818 🔗

Yes, I think that is exactly what they are saying.

Hence it suddenly becoming more “deadly” as of last night, despite the fact that we aren’t seeing more people in hospitals or more hospital deaths related to it, which makes no sort of sense whatsoever.

374678 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #933 of 1818 🔗

It’s funny how anything that is put on the TV is swallowed whole by everyone without question if repeated enough.

Everyone talks about new variants being more infectious as a given. How do they know? Because they’ve heard it enough times to make it true.

374322 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 22, #934 of 1818 🔗

I’ve just received a summons for jury service in March. On my online rely I indicated that I was mask exempt for psychological reasons but am happy to attend if not forced to wear a face covering. Let’s see how that pans out.

374327 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to WasSteph, 11, #935 of 1818 🔗

I suspect you will be excused jury duty.

374465 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #936 of 1818 🔗

I thought us oldies were exempt but it seems not, but those over 70 can ask to be exempted. Mum did it many years ago, seem to have escaped here though.

374349 ▶▶ Mark, replying to WasSteph, 9, #937 of 1818 🔗

Be interesting to hear the result, as I would probably give the same response (but physical rather than psychological).

374395 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 3, #938 of 1818 🔗

Best go with the psychological- far harder from them to prove or disprove. Bruce Reynolds And His Brotherhood seem to be the go-to experts in that respect!

374423 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #939 of 1818 🔗

Having had part of a lung removed for cancer, I’m pretty confident in the physical side…

374396 ▶▶ iane, replying to WasSteph, 9, #940 of 1818 🔗

The only positive of sitting on a jury is that you discover what a farce jury trials are. Half the jury will not understand the evidence; 40% will be certain the accused is guilty before the trial begins (why else would the case have been brought?); and 25% will swoon over the young policeman giving evidence and hence trust him implicitly.

The only thing less impressive and convincing is our political class!

374427 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to iane, 2, #941 of 1818 🔗

OTOH the only time I did jury service there were two wholly anti-police types who would not convict on any grounds. Everyone else got fed up and wanted to get home for tea so the guys walked. It really isn’t the greatest system but I can’t think of anything better to replace it.

374572 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Fiona Walker, #942 of 1818 🔗

Indeed Fiona. And anyone who is capable of thinking more than average, in my view, has a DUTY to attend if called. I was called before Christmas (eventually cancelled due to…!) and felt that I should attend (albeit there is the obligation anyway!).

DavidC

374404 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to WasSteph, 1, #943 of 1818 🔗

Please post the response. UsuallyJS would be a welcome relief but no point in travelling when you can’t fit in any shopping or drinking.

374507 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to arfurmo, 1, #944 of 1818 🔗

I will but suspect it won’t be received soon. I’m more than happy to serve but I would likely do a Bruce if forced to mask up as the whole thing makes me unwell after 5 minutes or so.

374452 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to WasSteph, 1, #945 of 1818 🔗

waa nightmare! I really hope I never get asked to do jury service. If I do, I will submit a statement that I cannot trust in any of the process of law, I have no faith in the legal system and there is no way I would want to participate in supporting a system that I see as totally corrupt. I also will NEVER wear FN.

374581 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to WasSteph, 2, #946 of 1818 🔗

One of my family had to do it last autumn. Simple cases were dragging on forever because they emptied the court room and disinfected it between witnesses. Bonkers!

374331 neilhartley, replying to neilhartley, 13, #947 of 1818 🔗

Can a man who’s warm understand one who’s freezing? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

374334 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to neilhartley, 6, #948 of 1818 🔗

There speaks a true Gulag veteran.

374337 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 20, #949 of 1818 🔗

I heard yesterday that a friend had been admitted to hospital with covid and is currently in ICU.
Following surgery to place a stent, and h aving made a recovery she was discharged home. About five days later she was re-admitted with breathing difficulties and ended up in ICU. Where I am told she is making progress.
It appears a covid patient was placed on her recovery ward after her op. Yet another hospital acquired infection.
No wonder people are terrified of even setting foot in a hospital.

374672 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Burlington, 1, #950 of 1818 🔗

That’s the reality of hospitals and always has been. It’s a place where you have a high risk of catching something, especially if you are weak. Could be covid, could be a flu, could be one of those very scary anti-biotic resistant infections.

374342 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #951 of 1818 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/

I recommend this thought provoking article which puts an entirely different slant on Covid and the extreme over reaction to it and the real reason for the Big Reset.

374425 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #952 of 1818 🔗

Yes – this explains why virtually all countries are on board, and also why virtually all western politicians are onside.

They have all been told that this is an issue of vast overriding importance.

The course is now set – with Biden – for hyperinflation of the dollar, which is the main means of payment for international trade, which will come to a halt in the absence of such a means of payment.

I think the Euro was intended to replace the dollar in this regard, but I am not sure that will work.

I think all fiat will go into hyperinflation.

Whatever happens we face at least a couple of months where global trade is virtually at a standstill. What this means in a tightly integrated, just-in-time economy, is that there will be shortages of all sorts of stuff everywhere, at least for a while.

This is the reason for the ‘covid measures’.

374444 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #953 of 1818 🔗

Holy shit. Everyone needs to read this before it gets disappeared. It seems quite believable. I need some time to process it as the implications are profound. I’m not worrying so much about the scamdemic today.

374526 ▶▶▶ PW, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #954 of 1818 🔗

I read it and printed it off last night, definitely a ring of truth there!
Lots of good stuff in OffGuardian….I picked it up on a link here in December….

PW.

374527 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to TheBluePill, #955 of 1818 🔗

This seems very convincing. I’m afraid I know very little about economic matters, so I’m not sure what conclusions to draw from this about the future. One conclusion could be that our governments are trying to prevent a greater evil (hyperinflation) by perpetuating the lesser one (authoritarian measures).
I’d be grateful to anyone with knowledge of these matters to post something about possible outcomes, time scales, etc.

374346 DomTaylor, 11, #956 of 1818 🔗

For such bold critics of the Chinese regime, Mssrs Neil O’Brien MP and Dominic Lawson MP seem remarkably enthusiastic for the regime’s lockdown and censorship measures. One wonders where their loyalties and interests really lie.

374348 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 45, #957 of 1818 🔗

Don’t get lost in the noise people, all of this madness still boils down to one simple question:

Do Covid measures cause more harm than the disease ever could itself?

I believe there is overwhelming evidence to already prove this, before even considering the devastating medium- and long-term effects.

This question should be directed at anybody who is still happy to comply with this lunacy.

And steer them away from the parochial “protect the NHS” garbage, and remind them that a global recession leads to hundreds of thousands of premature deaths in the developing world. Hundreds of thousands . We’re not talking about elderly people on their last legs here, this is young people and children we’re talking about.

Sceptics have blood on their hands? No, we’re not the ones supporting measures that create a form of indirect genocide.

374408 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Draper233, 9, #958 of 1818 🔗

Our core argument remains solid.

374419 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Draper233, 6, #959 of 1818 🔗

Absolutely- there are so many parts of the world less ‘developed’ soto speak who rely massively on the income relatively well off tourists bring. Which is getting little publicity from the MSM

374695 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Clancloch, 2, #960 of 1818 🔗

And they’re going to go on suffering if certain travel companies begin with the coercion methods. See what ”Saga” says – they expect all their customers to have had the vaccine at least two weeks before travelling with them.

I do hope they lose thousands of customers. If people who’ve taken the vaccine believe in it, then they will believe it makes them immune, and go on holiday without a care. So why should anyone have it who doesn’t want it? Surely it’s up to them to insure themselves.

374660 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Draper233, 2, #961 of 1818 🔗

Not hundreds of thousands but millions.

374685 ▶▶ james007, replying to Draper233, 3, #962 of 1818 🔗

Hear hear! You are absolutely right of course.
I would go further and say that even if lockdowns did cause less harm than the disease, that still wouldn’t make them moral or proportionate.
An action can be immoral and completely wrong, but still be effective.

374350 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #963 of 1818 🔗

Desmond Swayne sounding depressingly enthusiastic about the vaccine as the “new normal.”
The troglodyte analogy is spot on though.
The blatant arse-covering about upholding the law, interjected by JHB, shows the eggshells these people are now being forced to walk on.

374380 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #964 of 1818 🔗

I suspect that she does otherwise as most do, but at these times you can’t go round broadcasting it. She has been on fire lately especially about education and young people. Three cheers for her. No one else seems to be doing other than Allison Pearson.

374389 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to alw, 3, #965 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. Janet Daley seems to have been got at.

374397 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #966 of 1818 🔗

Well I wouldn’t knock DS too much -he speaks out about the need to get rid of muzzles and open up.

374351 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #967 of 1818 🔗

Some interesting graphs from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre reproduced in this article tell a story:

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/latest-icnarc-graphs-amongst-general-reattribution-of-other-illness-to-covid-19-pneumonia-from-flu-is-a-thing-of-the-past/

The troughs shown for ICU occupancy with various potentially lethal conditions during April last year (and the current similar development) strongly suggest the operation of either (a) a treacherous policy of denying ICU treatment to these classes of patient or (b) a mendacious policy of misrepresenting their illnesses as something else ‘for the record’ (wonder what that could be).

Oh dear, could this be a conspiracy hypothesis?

AG

374815 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #968 of 1818 🔗

Was looking at those just yesterday, AG. Those three graphs, for Stroke, Myocardial Infarction and Trauma all have the same shape, with that characteristic ‘V’ coinciding with the April peak. They really give the game away, don’t they?
Recommended viewing.

374355 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #969 of 1818 🔗

They need to listen to the real experts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8ObD2W4Rk&t=1137s

374447 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to p02099003, -11, #970 of 1818 🔗

Why are you l=inking to a month old video? The guy knows his stuff but things may have moved on.

Do you agree with him on vaccines, by the way?

374458 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mayo, 9, #971 of 1818 🔗

Does it matter that it’s 4 weeks old? The virus is doing what the virus does. The point I was making was that this person is an expert on viruses, not an epidemiologist or computer modeller but someone who has an understanding of the pathogen itself and how they behave. There are over 2000 variants, why is this one different? It may be more contagious but is it more virulent? With regards to the vaccine I have a high threshold of scepticism, both on the efficacy and the data supplied by the creators/manufacturers.

374558 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #972 of 1818 🔗

Things may have moved on? Una month? If this stuff is so fast moving, and I agree it is, then why the hell are government stooges jumping on it in daily addresses to the nation to ramp up anxiety among the population? If its just speculation based on fast moving data???

374619 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 2, #973 of 1818 🔗

If you are not a shill, you are scared of the big bad virus. In either case, you are on the wrong forum. Try Facebook.

374370 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #974 of 1818 🔗

On a separate point in relation to the ONS Infection Survey..

I’ve just noticed that the excel data spreadsheet that attaches to the Infection Survey seems to show cycle thresholds for positive tests (mean, 10th, 25th, 50th, 75th and 90th percentile).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyuk22january2021

There has been lots of talk about PCR positives at high cycle thresholds representing the test merely identifying viral fragments from people who clearly aren’t/aren’t any longer infectious, but that cycle thresholds are being kept secret.

Is this ONS information actually quite useful information at least in relation to positives from the ONS survey? Can anybody with expertise comment on this?

374417 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #975 of 1818 🔗

Just as a guide – these are the approximate estimated percentages of true positives (as a percentage of PCR+ results) at different Cts :

Ct %

20 87
25 69
30 30
35 3

It illustrates the PCR issue. Only below ~Ct 25 is the likelihood of a true positive above 50%

374436 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 1, #976 of 1818 🔗

Thanks.

So the median CT threshold for English positives for latest week (week starting 11th January) is 30.4 from the table, so perhaps only 30% of those at that median level are true positives?

Where did you get those true positive percentages from?

(the distribution is skewed so you can’t say it’s 30% overall of the positives, need to give that some thought before suggesting a figure)

374544 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #977 of 1818 🔗

That’s about right, I reckon, although the reduction in real positives isn’t linear – it falls off quite rapidly.

I got the chart from which this is taken from a link posted here – but I didn’t reference it when I saved it, unfortunately. I tend to keep useful analyses – but, ironically, do usually make sure I know where they come from.All I can say is that this was the best breakdown of Ct values that I’ve come across. Perhaps someone else can recall the graphic – which is quite detailed?

374582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, #978 of 1818 🔗

All I can find at the moment is this twitter thread I saved from a while back.

https://twitter.com/Kevin_McKernan/status/1320536482298384390

Which forks off to this paper at one point

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1491/5912603

374555 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, #979 of 1818 🔗

Rick, where did you get the data from please? (Sorry, just seen your comment further below!)

DavidC

374376 Jayjay, replying to Jayjay, 4, #980 of 1818 🔗

Thank you for the above link to the Advertising Standards complaint form — the government’s scary ads have been bothering me for weeks so I’ve submitted the complaint below – if anyone else feels the same do please send one in as they’re more likely to pay attention if they get a lot of people complaining. ( https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint/quick-report.html )

“The billboard says in big letters ‘ANYONE CAN SPREAD IT’ (referring to coronavirus).  It continues ‘IF YOU GO OUT, YOU CAN SPREAD IT. PEOPLE WILL DIE.’

This is not factually true:  you can only spread it if you’ve actually got it.  And even if you do have it there is no certainty that anyone will die if you go out (transmission in particular outdoors is extremely rare, and the recovery rate from Covid is over 99%).

The government, like any other advertiser, must not present highly unlikely possible scenarios as certainty (can you imagine permitting an advertiser to claim, ‘TAKE OUR PILLS AND YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT’ if in their study less than one in 100 people had done so?) — and particularly not with the deliberate intention of scaring the public.”

374530 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jayjay, 2, #981 of 1818 🔗

Just like the National Lottery when they claimed “It could be you”

374556 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, #982 of 1818 🔗

It’s exactly the same.Only one in a trillion win a fabulous prize, but that one MIGHT be me, so I gotta buy a ticket. Only one in a trillion die of Covvie, but that one MIGHT be me, waah waah, hide under bed.

374728 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jayjay, #983 of 1818 🔗

Very good point Jayjay

374382 PhantomOfLiberty, 3, #984 of 1818 🔗

Censorship and repression pose a threat too

My letter in BMJ On-line today. Wardle and Singerman are from an organisation call First Draft News. According to Wiki: First Draft News is a project “to fight mis- and disinformation online” founded in 2015 by nine organizations brought together by the Google News Lab . It includes Facebook , Twitter , the Open Society Foundations and several philanthropic organizations.”

Censorship and repression pose a threat too Re: Too little, too late: social media companies’ failure to tackle vaccine misinformation poses a real threat Claire Wardle, Eric Singerman. 372:doi 10.1136/bmj.n26
Dear Editor
I have commented often in these columns about the concept of “misinformation”. Claire Wardle and Eric Singerman [1] do not seem to be in any doubt that we are talking about not so much information which is false (which would be a different category) as information which is inconvenient to policy. But what right do they have to deprive the public of it, and where might it end? Surely, if there are negative aspects to a policy the public have a right to know about it, otherwise we are could be into the bad cycle described, for instance, in the Cumberlege report.
[1] Claire Wardle and Eric Singerman , ‘ Too little, too late: social media companies’ failure to tackle vaccine misinformation poses a real threat’, BMJ 2021; 372 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n26 (Published 21 January 2021)
[2] Helen Haskell, ‘Cumberlege review exposes stubborn and dangerous flaws in healthcare’, BMJ 2020; 370 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m3099 (Published 06 August 2020)
Competing interests: AgeofAutism.com, an on-line daily journal, concerns itself with the potential environmental sources for the proliferation of autism, neurological impairment, immune dysfunction and chronic disease. I receive no payment as UK Editor. I also moderate comments for the on-line journal ‘The Defender’ for which I am paid. I am also a member of the UK Medical Freedom Alliance

374384 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #985 of 1818 🔗

More propoganda from Sky News. Currently showing a piece branding care home staff selfish for refusing to be vaccinated.

No mention that we don’t even know if the vaccine stops the spread of the virus. If it doesn’t then it makes little difference whether or not they are vaccinated.

The misinformation here is making care home residents believe that others taking the vaccine will definitely protect them.

374391 ▶▶ alw, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #986 of 1818 🔗

This prophylactic protects no one from transmission or infection. Not preventing increase in virus in UAE or Israel.

374481 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to alw, -20, #987 of 1818 🔗

It is preventing disease. Early data was never going to show the full benefit of the vaccine.

374519 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Mayo, 4, #988 of 1818 🔗

sources please

374529 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mayo, 3, #989 of 1818 🔗

The converse must also be true. Potential negative effects of the vaccine would also not show until later.

374553 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mayo, 10, #990 of 1818 🔗

Mayo, when even Pfizer itself says that the ‘vaccine’ doesn’t prevent catching the disease, it only reduces symptoms, how can you write ‘It is preventing disease’?

You’re not 77th Brigade by any chance are you?

DavidC

374720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to DavidC, 1, #991 of 1818 🔗

I was wondering the same thing David!

374617 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 5, #992 of 1818 🔗

Evidence please.

374661 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, 2, #993 of 1818 🔗

Not according to Pfizer.

374407 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #994 of 1818 🔗

It kills the most old and frail and doesn’t prevent it spreading. What is the point? Still, if it makes some more people wake up, then I’m all for it.

374718 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #995 of 1818 🔗

I don’t blame them refusing to take it. It’s their choice whether to have it anyway

374410 WillieA, replying to WillieA, 39, #996 of 1818 🔗

“What is the point?” What a horrible question to keep hearing. But I’m still yet to see a good answer.

I’m 27 with a secure job, some great friends and no health concerns. But I am struggling. How old am I going to be when this is over? The prime years of my life are being stolen from me and I will never get them back.

I’m struggling to find the words to describe how I’m feeling. If I was to pick three, they would be anger, hopelessness and exasperation.

But how can I feel like this? How I can feel as I do when my situation is trivial in comparison to so many out there?

Those people that have seen their livelihoods be destroyed. Those that have missed life saving cancer treatment. Those that have had their education ruined.

I passionately hate every single person who supports current lockdown policy. But this includes my friends.

What a fucking mess.

374523 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to WillieA, 5, #997 of 1818 🔗

There is a point. The rotten institutions that are meant to serve us are still being run by Boomers/Gen X, and this farce has shown them up to be two of the most selfish generations to have ever lived (generalisation I know, there are exceptions, especially on this site).

But soon it will be our generation’s turn to run the show, and it is our job to learn from how we have been utterly shafted during this, build a better world and make sure that something like this never, ever happens again.

374549 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 4, #998 of 1818 🔗

That’s the spirit, Poppy.

374551 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to WillieA, 7, #999 of 1818 🔗

Willie – be assured your feelings are not unusual but are a natural reaction to the lack of control any of us have over this situation.. I’m somewhat older than you (59), but have experienced all of these feelings you describe for months now. I also am lucky enough to have a business that hasn’t really been affected (at least financially), but I think what we are feeling is a sort of “survivor’s guilt” on behalf of all those less fortunate than us but whom we are powerless to help. this is exacerbated when we see others who are also comfortably off who show so little understanding of the situation or empathy for the less fortunate that it triggers such anger in us.

374657 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to vargas99, 9, #1000 of 1818 🔗

I don’t feel survivors guilt.

I’m angry that all our freedom has been stripped away.

House arrest, forced masking, forced testing.

We haven’t survived shit. We have become slaves of the state and the real fear is that it’s not temporary but permanent.

374715 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to stewart, 2, #1001 of 1818 🔗

I know. We have to continue fighting.

374411 alw, replying to alw, 19, #1002 of 1818 🔗

Out and about in Hampstead in Belsize Park this morning. So many more people wearing masks than previously. Why? I want to scream? We need a no mask civil disobedience day urgently.

Talking to some colonials from NZ. They feel NZ has been turned into a prison camp. Apparently when you are in quarantine there the hotels guarded by the military. WTF like N Korea.

Had a long natter and we are of the same mind that this is just one huge great scam. I am a colonial too from another part of the world.

374654 ▶▶ stewart, replying to alw, 1, #1003 of 1818 🔗

Recreating the NZ gulag is now official UK government policy.

374414 alw, replying to alw, 2, #1004 of 1818 🔗

Covid positive right now.

374488 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to alw, 2, #1005 of 1818 🔗

Sweden seasonal bump already over, without the criminal lock-down of course:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

374420 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 4, #1006 of 1818 🔗

Oh dear, it appears the SWP thought they were immune to being muzzled:

https://www.rt.com/uk/513407-facebook-ban-socialist-party/

374543 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Draper233, -3, #1007 of 1818 🔗

Brilliant! I’ve always believed that extreme Left parties should be illegal, just like extreme Right.

374732 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alice, 5, #1008 of 1818 🔗

Who defines extremism?No parties should be banned if you live in a democracy

374767 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1009 of 1818 🔗

Too right!

or left

or what ever.

374766 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Alice, 1, #1010 of 1818 🔗

I’m a libertarian who believes free speech is sacred & means just that, you can say anything, but i’m starting to think farcebook, twatter & all other social media should be outlawed for the good of humanity LOL.

Or just do what I do don’t use it.

374438 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1011 of 1818 🔗

Do you want to defeat Johnson & Hancock? Here’s how, in 70 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mGaBvT0JA&list=WL&index=36

374440 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1012 of 1818 🔗

"Coronavirus Scotland: Leading doctor warns long Covid could be worse for children

"Despite the belief that the virus does little harm to children, research has shown many may[*]be experiencing so-called long Covid"

* EdinburghLive get-out weasel wording

"More children than expected could be experiencing 'long Covid', and an Edinburgh expert has warned the longer term effects could be worse for kids.

"Professor Debby Bogaert, a paediatric infectious disease expert at Edinburgh University, pointed to new data which showed 13 per cent of kids aged two to 11 across the UK were still experiencing symptoms five weeks later.

"This then increased to 15 per cent amongst young people aged 12-16, with Prof Bogaert arguing there was a need to examine the impact Covid has on children closely.

"She said the argument that Covid does very little harm to children may now be weaker as argued against focusing solely on children's role in spreading the virus to more vulnerable people."

Read on at Edinburgh Live

Who is Debby Bogaert? She is Scotland's go to for Long Covid. Orgiginally from the Netherlands she now is the face of Long Covid in Scotland.

Debby is well placed since she is a sufferer of Long Covid herself. Here in the BMJ she signed an open letter attrubuted to a group of clinicians who all are diagnosed as suffering from the Long Covid.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3565.full?ijkey=IW6SY6HKILgGZnM&keytype=ref

Here Debby writes in the Guardian June 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/28/coronavirus-long-haulers-infectious-disease-testing

"During the early stages of the outbreak, I came down with mild Covid-19-like symptoms. Though I was slightly worried this would hinder my ability to contribute to the immediate professional battle against this virus, I also anticipated I would be back in business within a week or two. How wrong I was – I became what we now call a Covid-19 “long-hauler” – a patient with initially mild symptoms of likely Covid-19, who would go on to experience a range of sometimes severe symptoms for a prolonged period of time."

That is fast work to have caught the virus and be declared a long hauler by June 2020 just two months(?) after we began with covid, perhaps she caught it as early as March we don't know, she doesn't say.

She goes on to write herself into a hero though.

"Though physically I still struggle with lung problems, as a doctor and a scientist I struggle mostly with the lack of knowledge about this condition. We currently have no understanding at all of the biological mechanisms causing these prolonged symptoms."

Towards the end of her guardian article Debby talks about Kawasaki disease in relation to children. Was Debby stoking fear in the population by bringing such a rare and now seemingly irrelevant connection into the nation press?

Not three hours ago Debby retweeted out the following –
" Pfizer says its #covid19 vaccine trial in kids ages 12-15 is fully enrolled w 2,259 participants as of yesterday"

Debby is pethaps hiding from the news that in Israel the Helsinki Committee has declared the Pfizer vaccine is little more than unauthorised human experimentation.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295134

This is certainly an area of the world Debby knows about since she seems to be following pfizer in Israel closely retweeting:

" reassuring Israeli data on efficacy of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine days 13-23 after first dose ~ 60% percent reduction in coronavirus infections in those > 60 y green line vaccinated, blue line controls"

https://twitter.com/Williams_T_C/status/1352718665293176833?s=20

Finally I noted a concern on Debby's twitter page that there are so mang sick notes being signed with Long Covid that a doctor is questioning however will the economy recover.

You cannot make this stuff up!

374459 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Basics, 9, #1013 of 1818 🔗

I, I, I, I, I. Me me me me me me.

One gets the feeling Debby is the star of her own psychodrama every minute of the day.

374476 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Basics, -32, #1014 of 1818 🔗

This anti-vax focus is a dead end. The Pfizer jab looks to be very effective. As more data becomes available opposition to the vaccines will fall away.

374486 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 14, #1015 of 1818 🔗

Shouldn’t there be enough data to make sound conclusions from before you start injecting people? And I’d love for you to produce this data that demonstrates the Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy.

374594 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to jb12, -10, #1016 of 1818 🔗

Yes – the data should be available before a vaccine is widely used. However, in some circumstances drugs or vaccines are deemed safe enough to be used in an emergency.

Israel’s 33% efficacy claim is based on data from just 14 days following the first vaccines. That’s actually pretty good. It implies more protection at 21 days (60%??) and even more following the second jab.

Lockdown sceptics continue to make rushed conclusions before all the data is available.

374645 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mayo, 6, #1017 of 1818 🔗

what emergency?

374650 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, 7, #1018 of 1818 🔗

Lockdown sceptics continue to make rushed conclusions before all the data is available.

And there you have our objection. As you point out, the data isn’t available and yet off they go vaccinating en masse.

It may well be that it turns out that the vaccines are not particularly harmful and possibly even useful in reducing covid symptoms as per the initial trials.

But EVEN THEN, our objection is the precedent set. We are setting ourselves up for future medical tyranny.

Bottom line, many of us our hoping the vaccine is a total flop, because (a) the virus doesn’t frighten us and (b) if it works, we are headed for more vaccine hell down the road.

374706 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 5, #1019 of 1818 🔗

All the data won’t be available for about 10 years.Covid doesn’t justify an emergency vaccine.

374739 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 4, #1020 of 1818 🔗

The Israel with soaring ‘cases’ and deaths, that is your evidence?

I hope the hypocrisy of you accusing ‘lockdown sceptics’ of rushing to conclusions in the same post that you take an assumed level of protection after 14 days and conclude that it will increase with time and a further dose is not lost on the people reading.

374759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #1021 of 1818 🔗

Do you know what the ‘33% efficacy’ claim actually means?
How can it be possible to make such an appraisal after 14 days?
It’s bunkum.

374500 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Mayo, 5, #1022 of 1818 🔗

Go away Matt.

374508 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mayo, 9, #1023 of 1818 🔗

You think injecting 2000 children with gene therapy that critics in the profession are naming as human experimentation is effective? I feel sorry for you.

374517 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mayo, 10, #1024 of 1818 🔗

Fuck off you gibbering moron.

(Lest anyone at all take you seriously).

374696 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to JohnB, 2, #1025 of 1818 🔗

Well Said JohnB 👏🏻

374547 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 7, #1026 of 1818 🔗

Rather depends whether there are negative consequences to the vaccine beyond the ability of the propaganda machine to cover up for them or over-ride them with covid scaremongering, obviously.

Two incontrovertible facts:

1 There have been cases of vaccines approved and used extensively before being withdrawn because they had unforeseen negative consequences

2 The kinds of consequences that might occur can inherently be longer term than the duration of the coronapanic so far, so that the possibility of their existence cannot by definition be ruled out as a result of any testing so far carried out.

The consequence of 1 &and 2 is that your confident assertion goes beyond what you can legitimately claim with supposed certainty.

I wouldn’t go the other way with any certainty, either. Imo the only honest position is that we don’t know enough yet to have any confidence on the outcomes.

374564 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Mayo, 7, #1027 of 1818 🔗

A whole system of government reaction based on an extremely narrow version of ‘the precautionary principle’ but when it comes to vaccines, ‘throw all caution to wind, suck it up’? seems consistent with government policy but inconsistent with reason, rationality, the scientific principles and human ln experience bestowed to us as a gift.

374571 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Niborxof, 1, #1028 of 1818 🔗

It’s a very selective version of ant precautionary principle – a modest rational version of which would be to ignore any under-tested vaccine.

374567 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 8, #1029 of 1818 🔗

The Pfizer jab looks to be very effective.”

Don’t be daft. There isn’t enough data – by definition – for that assertion.

374604 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -8, #1030 of 1818 🔗

There’s certainly not enough data to claim that it’s not effective. The 33% figure was limited to data from the first 14 days after vaccination. That’s a pretty good start since the efficacy is likely to improve significantly over the following week.

374611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mayo, 7, #1031 of 1818 🔗

The precautionary principle.

Look it up. Then start celebrating the injecting of mRNA into other peoples children. Those children are people who cannot be expected to make an informed consent about the procedure being done to them.

374747 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 1, #1032 of 1818 🔗

There is enough data to conclude this far that the only thing the Pfizer vaccine has been proven to do is reduce the number of PCR positives since that it all it measured in the trials. The 3000 people excluded from the trial make the efficacy claims even less veracious than they already are.

374874 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mayo, #1033 of 1818 🔗

What data do you have now to support this claim?

374487 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 6, #1034 of 1818 🔗

Presumably symptoms include anything that might be caused by being cooped up for months on end too.

374505 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1035 of 1818 🔗

I’m pretty damn sluggish and low on energy myself. Probably because I’ve had bugger all to do and no opportunity for love or joy for months on end.

Nah, must be long Covid.

374513 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 2, #1036 of 1818 🔗

Considering that we now know children very rarely contract it, and those ”vulnerable” ones may become ill, doesn’t it follow that effects may be longer lasting BECAUSE they’re not A1?

374521 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #1037 of 1818 🔗

Bogaert by name, …

One fears a lifetime of snide abuse may have turned her into a humanity-hater. V sad.

374546 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnB, 2, #1038 of 1818 🔗

Harry Potter fans know that boggarts work by turning into what you most fear.The solution is to laugh at them, riddikulus!

374539 ▶▶ PW, replying to Basics, 1, #1039 of 1818 🔗

Another member of Sturgeon’s coven?

374616 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PW, #1040 of 1818 🔗

I feel less devi-like this one seems more out and out UK national comentating. She doesnt have her meat hooks into sturgeon as obviously. More that she is called upon not string pulling.

374441 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1041 of 1818 🔗

Am I naive, or is someone, who decides that the three wise monkeys might offend ethnic minorities, being rather blatantly racist by implication?

374542 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1042 of 1818 🔗

No, and yes!

DavidC

374631 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cheezilla, #1043 of 1818 🔗

Monkeys have feelings too you know!

374667 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1044 of 1818 🔗

I hate being called a monkey, when I’m actually an ape, it’s so discriminatory. And them monkeys is thick as pig shit, innit.

374674 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1045 of 1818 🔗

Just because you self identify as an ape doesn’t mean we’re not all one big happy family.

374448 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #1046 of 1818 🔗

I’ve noticed the WHO PCR updated guidance is being ignored by the zealots. Too much fog for them to hide behind. “It’s just telling them to follow the instructions, I am sure the labs are doing that” sort of response.

However, the Weimar Court response is very difficult for them to pass off. They’ve little concern for individual autonomy or the base for the rule of law, but their lack of awareness matters not. The facts simply do not support their position at the most important level. To support lockdowns is to support the end of Enlightenment values and democracy

374561 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1047 of 1818 🔗

Also remember the Portuguese court.

374450 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1048 of 1818 🔗

“Long Covid” is going to be the new “bad back” for those seeking sick notes (if there are any jobs to skive off from anyway).

375058 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Starlin, #1049 of 1818 🔗

Children are suffering too (Whately told me) will no one think of the teeechers!

374455 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #1050 of 1818 🔗

The entire argument for lockdown seems to me to consist solely of: “Of course it works, stands to reason dunnit?”

That’s it. The entirety of the science is “stands to reason dunnit?”

374618 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1051 of 1818 🔗

University of The Bleeding Obvious.

374485 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #1052 of 1818 🔗

JASA – I seem to have lost the thread now. Re all here meeting up one day.

Have you looked at https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/

You might find contact with like-minded people that way too.
Perhaps if we all said which county we live in, one day we may meet up at hubs even if we do get ”cancelled” in the meantime for being revolutionaries!

374509 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, #1053 of 1818 🔗

KBF website lists local groups and people too.

(I’ve heard from a friend that several run ‘mental health support groups’. Others hold ‘business meetings. No pubs on board yet sadly.).

374552 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, #1054 of 1818 🔗

Worth looking out for, isn’t it?

374655 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 2, #1055 of 1818 🔗

I think we should take over a campsite in the summer.

375099 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, #1056 of 1818 🔗

I’me in.

374489 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 25, #1057 of 1818 🔗

80-something year old FIL was jabbed early this morning, with the Pfizer concoction. He is what I consider to be an armchair sceptic, not on board with the govt fearmongering but also not willing to make a fuss. He and MIL happily come round to visit us and grandchild indoors although I’m still not convinced that they quite understand or believe that it could possibly be illegal.

Apparently the only words spoken to him during the entire process (which, of course, involved lots of elderly and vulnerable people being corralled close together in a queue) were to inform him that should he still feel unwell more than 2 weeks after the jabbing, then he should (like all good citizens) report for a covid test.

Absolutely no explanation of the experimental nature of the vaccine, of course, or the fact that he is essentially taking part in a Phase 3 trial…

374537 ▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1058 of 1818 🔗

… or, should he feel unwell, it can’t possibly be covvie cos he’s had the magic snake oil?

374550 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1059 of 1818 🔗

The 90+ year old lady I help went for her ‘jab’ (half-heartedly as she’s not entirely convinced). She had to queue up with other seniors, outside, no seating, cold, wet, and then they were told there’d been an ”incident” (Iet’s guess, shall we?) so they were kept even longer. Very soon she began to wobble, so they took her inside, thank goodness.

How many other seniors are being treated in this way?

(She wasn’t told anything about it either. She felt unwell for a couple of days, but seems okay now. How easy for them to say, if she snuffed it – ”Well, she had other medical problems, didn’t she?”)

374575 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1060 of 1818 🔗

I can only wish them both well. Round here, we have been asked, ‘Have you had your vaccine yet?’ I think you can guess our answer to that one!

We know of a few people who have had one of the vaccines, so far none of them seem to have experienced immediate adverse reactions but that doesn’t automatically bode well for them. The main beef seems to be that there’s no sign of the second one!

Nobody we’ve spoken to who has had or is in line for the jab has any clue of the reality. I agree, these poor souls have no idea that they are lab rats. Some have stared at us in amazement when we point out that the Govt has made it clear that it’s not going to make them immune. The fear-porn seems to get through all right but not anything that might dampen their faith in the Holy Vaccine. There are a few Astra Zeneca employees round here and they are dutifully putting it about that their vaccine is totally safe and properly tested, including for reactions with other jobs. Our understanding is that has not been done to any extent.

Del Bigtree’s ‘Highwire’ programmes are very good for vaccine information, especially for anyone who only follows MSM. Despite massive censorship, reports of adverse reactions, some extreme, are getting out there. We are also watching with interest the number of ‘Covid’ outbreaks in places like care homes where they’ve jabbed all the old buggers.

On a happier note, loads of people are out-and-about in the High Peak. Some swerving going on but not much al fresco nappy-wearing and a lot of people happy to stop and chat within less than 2 metres.

Anyway, this is my favourite local anecdote: It seems some idiot went into his work in a residential home for people with learning disabilities, ‘coughing and spluttering’. He wasn’t ill, of course, because he ‘hadn’t had a test’. Eventually he tested positive for the Rona and then lots of the inmates followed suit. I asked my informant if anyone was actually ill. Apparently not.

Doncha just love This ‘New Normal’? If you are feeling ill with symptoms you need a test to tell you that you are or else you’re well. If you are well with no symptoms, the same test will tell you that you’re ill and a danger to everyone. Common sense left the building, sometime in March 2020. MW

374647 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1061 of 1818 🔗

Reminds me of that old Weetabix advert, “Have you had your daily wheat?”

374615 ▶▶ fiery, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1062 of 1818 🔗

Presumably no questions asked about past medical history, previous reactions to other vaccines or allergies then.

374663 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to fiery, #1063 of 1818 🔗

Doubt it!

374622 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1064 of 1818 🔗

In Germany the patients have to sign a consent sheet which details side effects, what a mRNA Vaccine is. Of course it does not go into detail of potential long term effects and that it is not fully licensed.
And how many elderly in care homes gave consent not understanding what they sign, or their relatives or their appointed person?
Every person should be asked about medication they are taking, if they are allergic, if they have had adverse effects before etc.

Nothing asked at all? Unbelievable!

374664 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silke David, #1065 of 1818 🔗

He certainly didn’t mention signing something, but he doesn’t always give the most accurate reports!

374875 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A. Contrarian, #1066 of 1818 🔗

My elderly and ill parents are due their jab in February.

They both want it – not stopping them as it’s their decision – but I have given them the info about it being unlicensed, contains 2 ingredients that have never been used in human vaccines before, they should be fully informed of all possibe problems etc etc.

Not been mentioned by them since my Mum said she was reading thoroughly what I sent her.

374490 JME, replying to JME, 15, #1067 of 1818 🔗

Just seen an advert on TV for WaterAid. Apparently the highest risk to inhabitants of African countries without enough clean water is…….coronavirus! Listed 1st ahead of pneumonia & Ebola. No mention at all of dysentery or typhoid or indeed any other infection that would be far more dangerous than Covid.

374532 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to JME, 9, #1068 of 1818 🔗

Yes…but…JME…you don’t understand. Coronaviruses have never, EVER, existed in the whole history of man. Coronaviruses have never, EVER, contributed to respiratory diseases before. Coronaviruses have come from NOWHERE to KILL US ALL!!

DavidC
(/Sarc off)

374557 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JME, 6, #1069 of 1818 🔗

Yes – I saw an appeal about the Yemen focusing on Covid – as if it was the main problem. I was speechless.

374573 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to RickH, 1, #1070 of 1818 🔗

Unbelievable! Problem is people will actually believe it!

375097 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, #1071 of 1818 🔗

Tatical nukes are a much bigger problem to the people of Yemen than covid.

374610 ▶▶ stewart, replying to JME, 3, #1072 of 1818 🔗

Shows how people jump onto bandwagons for personal benefit. Not because they necessary believe it.

374614 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JME, 3, #1073 of 1818 🔗

Is it the one with Julia Sawahla or what’s her name?
CANNOT STAND HER!

374632 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to Silke David, #1074 of 1818 🔗

Yup, that’s the one!

374634 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Silke David, 3, #1075 of 1818 🔗

Nadia Sawalha.

DavidC

375022 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JME, #1076 of 1818 🔗

Cynical bastards- typical transnational charity. Any lies as long as they generate money.

374496 Cecil B, 11, #1077 of 1818 🔗

So the fat fuck is also a lying fuck. Who knew?

374503 Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #1078 of 1818 🔗

Good News Saturday
 Fake news about Covid-19 – History Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAF45WpVzU
The British government has been rebuked by the Advertising Standards Authority for spreading fake news about the Covid epidemic.

374506 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #1079 of 1818 🔗

I have submitted an FOI to my local trust asking which test they use for SARS-CoV-2 and if RT-PCR then how many cycles are used.

374520 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to p02099003, 1, #1080 of 1818 🔗

Well done. Let us know, won’t you? I think I’ll do the same.

374533 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Banjones, 4, #1081 of 1818 🔗

Ask separately about patients and clinicians. I wouldn’t rule out some trusts really taking the p*** and choosing a test to give the results they want.

The hospital near me uses LF for doctors & nurses. I plan to ask a friend to find out about the tests on patients.

374613 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #1082 of 1818 🔗

Good luck, I asked Whately ( Minister of State for Social Care and my MP) that on 5 November, still no answer.

375019 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1083 of 1818 🔗

Other than the fact that she looks good in a leather jacket, what purpose does that woman serve? Not so much a waste of space as a hole in the air.

375054 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1084 of 1818 🔗

She did reply to an email of mine from 22 December a few minutes later (predictable boiler plate and fear porn) but I’ve a feeling her minions are lurkers!

374641 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to p02099003, #1085 of 1818 🔗

Interested to hear your response. Kent CCG according to my FOIA have absolutely no idea of how many cycles are used, in addition to having absolutely no idea of any operational false positive rate. Good to know they’re on the ball.

374960 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, #1086 of 1818 🔗

PHE specified to use 45 to the to use test kit manufacturers.

374511 davews, 9, #1087 of 1818 🔗

I am still amazed that so many people have been taken in by the hysteria. One of my long time friends I have only seen a couple of times in the last 10 months. His wife is even more paranoid. Before the pandemic they were cruising all over the world. But now they have followed the rules to the letter. He just told me (phone) that he passed the end of my road this morning, taking an early walk – doing it early as it is maniac trying to avoid people later. I walk similar routes to him but I have never sensed so many people about to call it ‘manic’. But I don’t follow 3m ‘social distancing…

Further to my mention last night of the chap coming to sort out my roof. He clearly has issues with his appointments. Supposed to turn up at 10am I rang the office at 11am and the girl said he was definitely coming. Still no sign at 1420 so shall go on a lovely exercise walk…

374514 isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #1088 of 1818 🔗

Via arsebook my wife is hearing worrying stories of Joggers at risk of being hit by vehicles when jogging down country lanes so as to avoid busier streets as walkers have been told that joggers are spreaders of the virus and are scared of them. More unintended consequences of fear porn public health messages?

374855 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to isobar, #1089 of 1818 🔗

Yesterday I saw something for the first time: a higher wearing a face mask.

374522 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #1090 of 1818 🔗

Coming to a Tesco near you. That’s an order!

374541 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, 4, #1091 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps you could do something similar and go and stick it on the glass next to this, in the dead of night.
Something about shopping without orders from a supermarket chain on how to conduct your life.

374554 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 7, #1092 of 1818 🔗

Nice one! It’s bad enough getting orders from our esteemed (sarcasm) government about how to live our lives, but from a supermarket it’s taking it too far. Mind you, to prevent physical interactions, the next thing will be adverts from bed manufacturers advising us to sleep alone and the government banning the use of double beds!

374585 ▶▶ l835, replying to isobar, 4, #1093 of 1818 🔗

Morrison’s has a new large “no mask no entry” poster outside, but no goon on sentry duty. I wandered in as usual.

374597 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to isobar, 4, #1094 of 1818 🔗

I tried, but they keep letting other customers in 🙂

374598 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to isobar, 2, #1095 of 1818 🔗

It allows them to significantly increase the number of “active” shoppers, whilst maintaining the restriction on total numbers within. Bastards! Don’t shop there, and email their CEO telling him what you think.

374605 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to isobar, 3, #1096 of 1818 🔗

And another thing; if you have to shop in one of these restrictive stores – Tesco, Sainsbury’s or wherever – make sure at the checkout you take forever to pack your bags, and tell them you find it difficult without help.

374671 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 2, #1097 of 1818 🔗

Just ask em if it’s the law to make people shop alone? and watch the “does not compute” look appear on their faces.

374681 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 3, #1098 of 1818 🔗

So what the fuck are single parents meant to do, tie their children to a lamp post outside with the rockville

374536 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 50, #1099 of 1818 🔗

So, nearly 24 hours after the government announces that the new strain is ‘30%’ more lethal…

Streets heaving with pedestrians out for weekend walk – lots of families, barely any masks. Roads full of cars. Supermarket car parks full.

No-one is listening to the government anymore. The silent majority are not shitting themselves at home in fear as the MSM would have us believe. We are winning.

374569 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Poppy, 8, #1100 of 1818 🔗

Well said, Poppy!
I wish I could find the words of the WHO’s (spit) chief epidemiologist who said that viruses mutate to something more transmissible but far less harmful – for example, the common cold.

374668 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 2, #1101 of 1818 🔗

Woohoo

374819 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Poppy, 1, #1102 of 1818 🔗

Sad to say that wasn’t my experience today. Masks everywhere. Call it regional variation I suppose.

375003 ▶▶ FarBeyondDrivenDevil, replying to Poppy, #1103 of 1818 🔗

Many people can see through it all now. Keep going!

374540 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 11, #1104 of 1818 🔗

The usual suspects

374559 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Biggles, 2, #1105 of 1818 🔗

Wot?! No Greta Thunderbox?

374588 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1106 of 1818 🔗

Nah, he is surplus to requirements nowadays

374892 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to stefarm, #1107 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. She was just a useful idiot. No longer useful, but no less of an idiot.

374603 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1108 of 1818 🔗

Scoldilocks

375089 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1109 of 1818 🔗

Threta Glumburgh

374607 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1110 of 1818 🔗

They replaced her on her 18th birthday.

Just like the US rolled more troops into Syria during Potato Joe’s inaugural.

Life’s short!

374577 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biggles, 9, #1111 of 1818 🔗

what a shower of bastards.

374579 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Biggles, 8, #1112 of 1818 🔗

What the hell are Grant Shapps and Khan doing there? Don’t we pay these people to represent us, not to go off on jollies learning how to control us even more effectively, and how to steal our money?

374589 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Biggles, 1, #1113 of 1818 🔗

Won’t they kill granny if they go?

374599 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Biggles, 2, #1114 of 1818 🔗

World governance already exists.

374601 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Biggles, #1115 of 1818 🔗

“The people in charge.”

374639 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Biggles, 1, #1116 of 1818 🔗

I’m sure they’re only there for the canapes.

374757 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biggles, 2, #1117 of 1818 🔗

Sadiq Khan? i’m speechless, And Gates should be in an asylum, he has never looked right in the head & proven to be a danger to the general public, if you watch clips of him throughout his life its clear he’s a psychopath he seems incapable of empathy.

374576 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #1118 of 1818 🔗

Some Branch covidian fanatic (the ghastly O’ Brien maybe?) has compared scepticism to switching on your lights during the blackout. So here’s a question.

Did the wartime blackout save one life? Did it stop one German bomb from falling on any British city? They didn’t seem to have any trouble finding any of their targets.

Because it certainly killed thousands. After it was introduced in 1939, the number of people killed in road accidents immediately doubled.

“The king’s surgeon, Wilfred Trotter , wrote an article for the British Medical Journal where he pointed out that by “frightening the nation into blackout regulations, the Luftwaffe was able to kill 600 British citizens a month without ever taking to the air, at a cost to itself of exactly nothing.”

The Daily Telegraph reported in October, 1939: “Road deaths in Great Britain have more than doubled since the introduction of the black-out, it was revealed by the Ministry of Transport accident figures for September, issued yesterday. Last month 1,130 people were killed, compared with 617 in August and 554 in September last year. Of these, 633 were pedestrians.””

The hysteria also saw absurd prosecutions:

“On 22nd November 1940, a Naval Reserve officer was fined at Yarmouth for striking matches in a telephone kiosk so that a woman could see the dial. Ernest Walls from Eastbourne was fined for striking a match to light his pipe. In another case a man was arrested because his cigar glowed alternately brighter and dimmer, so that he might be signalling to a German aircraft. A young mother was prosecuted for running into a room, where the baby was having a fit, and turning on the light without first securing the blackout curtains.”

Worth a quick look. https://spartacus-educational.com/2WWblackout.htm

374608 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1119 of 1818 🔗

Most of these wartime comparisons are pointless. The suggestion would be that the virus actively seeks out sceptics because they turned the lights on.

Sticking with the blackout analogy the counter equivalence would be people staying in their homes all through the war and contributing nothing to the war effort. No production of gear or ammunition for the troops.

374630 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1120 of 1818 🔗

Oh I absolutely loathe Johnson’s blitz analogies, just thought the similarity with extreme measures of dubious benefit and obvious harm was apt.

374633 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1121 of 1818 🔗

Well, it helps him (he thinks) to keep up the image of him being Churchillian.

DavidC

374703 ▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to DavidC, 1, #1122 of 1818 🔗

Well, be fair, Bozo is at least as obese as Churchill.

375047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to iane, #1123 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps he could try to emulate WSC’s heroic booze intake and give us all a break for a while.

374609 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #1124 of 1818 🔗

Indeed. Not only were there deaths caused by blackout regulations, the chances of a bomber at 20,000 feet spotting the chink of light or the lit end of your cigarette, enabling them to bring their bombs with pinpoint accuracy onto your home, were negligible.

Didn’t stop the ARP (think Hodges from Dad’s army) from grassing you up or challenging people from allowing any light to escape. Just like today’s Covid marshals!

374580 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1125 of 1818 🔗

Maybe Johnson wants us locked up/down until June and the G7 in Cornwall, to keep Cornwall clear of holiday plebs

374583 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1126 of 1818 🔗

They are gonna turn Cornwall into Disneyland

374584 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1127 of 1818 🔗

Sounds about their level.

374586 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1128 of 1818 🔗

By that I meant the politicians, not the Cornish people!!

374624 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1129 of 1818 🔗

If the government believes its propaganda public information, surely it would cancel this super spreader event?

374638 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1130 of 1818 🔗

Indeed, as apparently they have quite a few outings planned and are spread out in different areas.

374698 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1131 of 1818 🔗

Nope: not until June; rather it is until forever. It seems to me that this is about hollowing out the wretched, aspirational middle classes who think they have a right to enjoy freedom, democracy and progress whilst messing up the place for the fully entitled, rich, elite. Time to get back to a proper World order where the people are split into the have-nots and the have-yachts!

374740 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1132 of 1818 🔗

And the WEF ‘recommendations’to the UN which will come out of Lucerne in May.

374587 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1133 of 1818 🔗
374595 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1134 of 1818 🔗

I suppose that fully answers the question “why did the flu disappear?”

374590 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1135 of 1818 🔗

Does anyone have the wording of the statement that the vaccines don’t prevent you from contracting Covid or passing it on? I’d like to point out to a couple of people I know that the boot isn’t coming off their necks any time soon.

374602 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stewart, #1137 of 1818 🔗

Thanks.

374621 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stewart, 16, #1138 of 1818 🔗

How safe is the COVID-19 vaccine?

The vaccines approved for use in the UK have met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).

Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.

Other vaccines are being developed. They will only be available on the NHS once they have been thoroughly tested to make sure they are safe and effective.

The clear implication is that the vaccines have been through all the clinical trials and have been licensed. But this is false and the NHS must know it is false.

374636 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1139 of 1818 🔗

Yes, there’s this deliberate obfuscation between ”approved” and ”licensed”.

374735 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1140 of 1818 🔗

Yes indeed; there would be simply no need for an EUA, if ‘all the clinical trials and safety checks’ had been undertaken and the findings reported. They would have been granted regular approval if the findings warranted it. And then NICE would have been obligated to undertake a full cost/benefit analysis using partition state analysis and a full QALY analysis just like any other novel expensive drug to decide whether the NHS should fund!

374869 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1141 of 1818 🔗

I have doubts that the MHRA had even read the Pfizer Trial protocol else they might have noticed that anyone with previous history of allergies was specifically excluded from the trial.

Two nurses had severe reactions on Day1. It was only then that the MHRA issued a recommendation for patients with allergies.

375080 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, #1142 of 1818 🔗

Probably written by young Frogmella as part of her work experience day.

374592 Will, replying to Will, 13, #1143 of 1818 🔗

Who else thinks that is it for Sweden and the virus is going to just burn itself out in the next month?

374600 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, 20, #1144 of 1818 🔗

Ferguson’s model applied to Sweden was so laughably, comically wrong it defies description, and there doesn’t seem to be anything remotely unusual about all cause mortality so far this month.

374694 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1145 of 1818 🔗

it was 10 times too high – which is good for him

374612 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, -8, #1146 of 1818 🔗

On what do you base this opinion?

374628 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 7, #1147 of 1818 🔗

They haven’t bothered with any stricter measures, their schools, bars etc are all open and the numbers are disappearing. I don’t think the CCP locked down the virus in Wuhan, they completely locked down the province and just left it to burn itself out which it did in the spring after first appearing the previous autumn.

374629 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 11, #1148 of 1818 🔗

Inference from the usual pattern that we see for betacoronaviruses, and the fact that they were clearly near the herd immunity threshold previously in key heavily populated areas. But “burn itself out” for me means “go down to lower levels in accordance with usual seasonal patterns”, not eradication.

374781 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1149 of 1818 🔗

Odds are you’re right 👍

374680 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Mayo, #1150 of 1818 🔗

In the basis of the data ie c. 90k deaths v 9K death(of we are being kind to your argument). Ergo ridiculous, ludicrous, mendacious model. Thankfully dispensed with by the Swedes early doors as being based on woefully poor inputs. Does that help?

374771 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #1151 of 1818 🔗

To be fair to Mayo, he/ she has, recently, sort to engage rather than engage in passive aggressive criticism.

374782 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Will, #1152 of 1818 🔗

In other words, a slow learner.

374699 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 10, #1154 of 1818 🔗

Sweden’s numbers are not dissimilar to the rest of Europe. They have also stayed a free society – its hard to put a price on that. Makes up a bit for WW2

374765 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 1, #1155 of 1818 🔗

The rest of Europe isn’t finished yet….

374606 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 17, #1156 of 1818 🔗

Good to see some resistance. This policy is inhuman. You don’t do this to your citizens. Ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55778930

374626 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Chicot, 5, #1157 of 1818 🔗

Good.

374683 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chicot, 3, #1158 of 1818 🔗

the youth are performing a public service in trying to get the virus and shield the vulnerable

374770 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Chicot, 3, #1159 of 1818 🔗

Good news, but also interesting that no arrests were made. Could it be plod were worried that Mummy or Daddy might have some top legal friends?

374620 Edward, replying to Edward, 4, #1160 of 1818 🔗

I’m about to put yesterday’s Metro down in the kitchen as a place to put my (sometimes) muddy boots on. Should I put them on the back page with the government coronavirus advert, or on the front page with the headline “Covid thugs target our 999 heroes”? Or use Thursday’s issue with the picture of old Biden?

374659 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Edward, 3, #1161 of 1818 🔗

Decisions decisions….ok then the back page (I absolutely hate hate hate those ads.)

374665 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to bluemoon, #1162 of 1818 🔗

OK, back page it is, by a majority of 1.

374690 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Edward, #1163 of 1818 🔗

Yes your dilemma has really taken over the discussion this afternoon hasn’t it?

374723 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, #1164 of 1818 🔗

Sorry E, just realised my comments read like a put down. Really they weren’t meant to!

374623 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 8, #1165 of 1818 🔗

Amongst all the uncertainty it is notable that various members of SAGE are keen to talk up the possibility that the new variants may be more deadly, but at the same time they are keen to play down the possibility that these new variants may be better at dodging the vaccines. People will draw their own conclusions from that fact.

374640 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to JamesM, 7, #1166 of 1818 🔗

Members of Sage need to confirm how many of the 4000+ variants identified in the UK are nothing to worry about.

374644 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JamesM, #1167 of 1818 🔗

The words ”possibility” and ”may” are the important ones there.
I wish I could find the words of the WHO’s chief epidemiologist who said that mutant strains are more transmissible but less harmful.

374652 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JamesM, 1, #1168 of 1818 🔗

With the majority only hearing “more deadly”, as they are meant to do.

374625 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 33, #1169 of 1818 🔗

BBC news is up for a BAFTA for best fictional drama series of 2020.

374627 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 8, #1170 of 1818 🔗

Is there a special award for horror movies?

374666 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Hubes, 3, #1171 of 1818 🔗

I’d have thought a Razzie would be more up their street! 🙂

374742 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hubes, #1172 of 1818 🔗

I dunno why you torture yourself watching it.

374758 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1173 of 1818 🔗

I don’t. Haven’t watched the news for years or anything even remotely associated with this shit show.
I can’t believe people watch it and actually believe it.

374635 Bruce Reynolds, 17, #1174 of 1818 🔗

Bring it on Johnson me and the Bro’s are ready.

374642 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1175 of 1818 🔗

https://youtu.be/sYzYq2e42x8

10mins?

You’re not coming on here again. BBC question time is really taken aback by Luke Johnson.

The video is a bit tricky to watch sounds levels are all over. The video is just clips of great reason and logic without discussion context. It looks like he did really well.

I admit laughing at Sridhar looking for all the world like a bug-eyed big brother!

374658 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Basics, 1, #1176 of 1818 🔗

Full video of the discussion

https://youtu.be/ag4Q4AoRXKw

374731 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jinks, 1, #1177 of 1818 🔗

Thank you. I am not certain if I want to go BBC just nkw, it’s been such a lovely day. Great to have the option. Lukes performance does have me a little intrigued.

374797 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Basics, 3, #1178 of 1818 🔗

The Devil Sridhar – probably the most dangerous and demented woman in the UK

374998 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Draper233, #1179 of 1818 🔗

There’s stiff competition for that prize North of the Border, though.

374643 Smelly Melly, 17, #1180 of 1818 🔗

Just returned from a walk and saw a group of about a dozen young men (late teens) chatting and having a good laugh. Selfish granny killing bastards or is it because I’m jealous as I’m no longer young and no longer meet up with my mates?

374662 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1181 of 1818 🔗

Why does Hamcock always look as if he’s had tons of botox?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q187ApF9Aow

374689 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1182 of 1818 🔗

He does talk a load of bolox

374669 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1183 of 1818 🔗

“An Act Abolishing Diversity in Opinions”

The Act of Six Articles, 1539
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/act_six_articles.htm

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/six-articles-act
Check all the other acts at the bottom of the page

374675 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1184 of 1818 🔗

Sea level rise is fake news. It’s a plot to depopulate human populations along the coastal areas.

374700 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1185 of 1818 🔗

So as to clear prime real estate and let the rich take over, as they have on most coasts of the US.

374711 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to bebophaircut, #1186 of 1818 🔗

Quite – they really spoil the coast for the rich elite!

374670 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1187 of 1818 🔗

Latest government covid propaganda song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDaNJW_jEBo

374702 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrew K, #1188 of 1818 🔗

We will we will rock you?

374707 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1189 of 1818 🔗

I propose ‘We got to get out of this place’ by Eric Burdon and the Animals as a counter covid propaganda song.

374684 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1191 of 1818 🔗

Lockdown Logic

Zealot: We must do everything we can to control the spread of this virus, you are causing people to die
Sceptic: Let’s do what China do and weld people shut in their homes
Zealot: There are limits, I just want less people to die than you

374736 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1192 of 1818 🔗

To many zealots there are no limits. Welding people in there homes would be a prefectly reasonable tactic to them

374687 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1193 of 1818 🔗

Does anybody know if the Italian restaurant are still open or have the owners been rounded up and sent to extermination camps.

374717 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1194 of 1818 🔗

From three hours ago
https://youtu.be/nddjLi5VBZc
Alex Belfield

374746 ▶▶ mj, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1196 of 1818 🔗

fascinating thing to see.. This is the Brood X (Great Eastern Brood) 17 year cicada, which is the biggest of the broods. they live underground for 17 years, then all pupate and fly at the same time, mate, lay eggs and die, and the progeny don’t appear for another 17 years. It is an anti predatory strategy. which results in the streets being covered in dead cicadas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOnxKNIQHg

374764 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to mj, 3, #1197 of 1818 🔗

This seems like some kind of metaphor. Seeking to avoid the (more or less severe) depredations of covid, our societies are looking to withdraw ‘underground’, in a strange state of suspended animation – not dead, but not fully alive – in hopes of – what? Of outfoxing the virus by voluntarily playing dead or vacating the public sphere for an unthinkably extended period?

374791 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Alethea, 1, #1198 of 1818 🔗

So is that how this plays out… we’ll all emerge, mate rampantly, lay eggs, then drop dead in the streets.

374691 davews, replying to davews, 15, #1199 of 1818 🔗

Back from a very pleasant walk in our local woods. Plenty of others out with their dogs. Got talking to one chap (very friendly dog) who seemed interested for a chat. But it seems a friend had gone into hospital for a heart issue, caught covid there, then discharged where he spread it to all the rest of his family one of which had died. He was clearly upset about that and you can’t blame him for thinking the virus is awful. But when I tried to point out the problems with lockdown and how much harm that is doing I couldn’t convince him. He didn’t call me a liar but we left on perhaps not as good terms as I would have liked (but still a friendly cheerio from the dog…).

As a sceptic I admit to not being someone able to argue our case very well. Unfortunately if we all hide our light under a bushel nothing will happen. I wish I could get the message across better.

374705 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to davews, 9, #1200 of 1818 🔗

You could have just asked him if he thought lockdown helped in that particular case.

374727 ▶▶ RickH, replying to davews, 3, #1201 of 1818 🔗

Yes – it is difficult when people have been vaccinated … with unreasoning terror.

374762 ▶▶ james007, replying to davews, 5, #1202 of 1818 🔗

It is really hard to argue with a feeling. If someone feels really scared and don’t feel safe, they will revert to authority or hide.
You did really well to do it. I also tried to discuss lockdowns with a Covidian this week. They really thought this was the disease that could wipe out the human race.
Keep trying. Awareness of the misery and destruction caused by lockdowns is low or at least not acknowledged. I start there usually.

374833 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to james007, #1203 of 1818 🔗

Fear could wipe out the human race.

374701 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1204 of 1818 🔗

Jerries begin rolling out the sleeping pods of the future:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/homeless-germany-sleep-futuristic-pods

Sleep in the pod!

Eat the bugs!

Own nothing!

Be happy!

374713 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1205 of 1818 🔗

ahh can only use it on cold winter nights – why not every night?

374730 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 4, #1206 of 1818 🔗

Then they wouldnt have control over who claims it as a home!

There is something seriously wrong with society if they feel this is an acceptable solution for homeless people in winter.

374725 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1207 of 1818 🔗

Hmm yes i saw that article, for some of us, that is actually to cosy, some people enjoy sleeping out with minimal comfort, its called wild camping LOL there’s plenty of it on Utube.

As a rather eccentric, libertarian, naturalist, I advocate appreciation of nature & sleeping under the stars & theres much to be said for a minimalist way of life it is liberating to throw away the shackles of owning stuff, often materialistic stuff ends up owning you.

That said it should be a your own choice not forced on you because neo-liberals have stolen it & imagine the fights in the park each night with drunk tramps claiming rights to that coffin! A bench might be safer & more comfortable.

374704 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 11, #1208 of 1818 🔗

Based on my ventures outside today, yesterday’s propaganda sadly seems to be working. The number of people wearing masks and swerving en plein air is truly depressing.

374714 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to mattghg, 9, #1209 of 1818 🔗

My neighbour always used to be relaxed, but yesterday she appeared swathed to the eyeballs in the open air. I asked her what good it did if it was making her specs steam up. I’m so disappointed. She’s not the brightest, but I always believed she was pragmatic and sensible.

374708 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 38, #1210 of 1818 🔗

I see that Larry King has died of Covid at the tender age of 87. He has had lung cancer and early last year had a stroke that put him in a coma for weeks, he was also awaiting angioplasty surgery. Will this terrible killer disease not go away, if only everybody followed the rules Larry would been alive for at least another week.

He was also addicted to wedding cake as he was married 8 times.

374734 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #1211 of 1818 🔗

Sad when they go so young. If only he’d worn a mask he’d be fine now.

374744 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1212 of 1818 🔗

Remember the fisherman bitten in half in Jaws? You know..

I’ll catch this bird for you, but it ain’t gonna be easy. Bad fish . Not like going down the pond chasin’ bluegills and tommycods.

He died of covid. With shark bite.

374754 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1213 of 1818 🔗

I just read the news and was thinking the exact same thing! That man was at death’s door constantly, but of course he’s just one more Covid death. He exceeded the average age of death and had more underlying conditions than he had wives. Sad, but not a tragedy.

374761 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1214 of 1818 🔗

I read that he recently had the jab, but I can’t verify if that’s true.

374779 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to leggy, 4, #1215 of 1818 🔗

like baseball legend Hank Aaron Died thursday aged 86 in his sleep. cause of death has not been revealed but covid vaccination 2 weeks ago

374959 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1216 of 1818 🔗

Did used to enjoy his show quite often, he is something of a legend. I have noticed that generally when someone prominent dies, they usually fall over themselves to avoid mentioning covid – Archie Lyndhurst, Peter Alliss, Des O’Connor, Brian Dennehy, Eddie Van Halen – presumably they know they will get bad press if family & friends make an issue and challenge it; so it’s possible that King had the virus. But yes, he’s had highly publicized health issues for years.

374709 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 3, #1217 of 1818 🔗

So, I finally managed to sign up to Gab. Who should I be following?

374751 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mattghg, 4, #1218 of 1818 🔗

simon dolan

374710 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #1219 of 1818 🔗

Has anyone thought about life or health insurance companies and the vaccine? If it is shown that many people suffer and perhaps even die from it, then won’t they be cagey about offering insurance, even introducing some sort of disclaimer? Maybe we could garner some information by watching them.
Perhaps it’s worth making an application to see if there are any questions asked. Anyone had any experiences?

375098 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Banjones, #1220 of 1818 🔗

My health insurance company have excluded all covid referrals. I made an inquiry after my infection and it was denied. Now awaiting an nhs consultation. My infection was in April. It will be a year before I will have seen someone.

374712 John P, replying to John P, 27, #1221 of 1818 🔗

“If you’ve spotted any Government adverts about the virus you think are a bit dodgy, the Advertising Standards Authority has an online form through which it receives complaints about misleading, harmful or irresponsible claims about the current COVID-19 situation.”

That’s all of them, isn’t it? Every single one is egregious anxiety inducing propaganda.

374750 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, 6, #1222 of 1818 🔗

Yes. These ads should all be challenged.

ASA is always super quick in hounding natural health practitioners – god forbid that we can actually assist people to be healthier – but if it is the government then they are super slow –>

The ASA said it was also assessing complaints about a similar ad about supermarket trolleys, as well as a poster about takeaway coffee headlined “Don’t Let a Coffee Cost Lives”, but had yet to contact the Government about those.

Why so slow ASA?

374716 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #1223 of 1818 🔗

Sad to advise that my regular Morrison’s has fallen. Until this week, we were free to buy whatever we wanted. Now all “non essential” items are either closed off (like the clothing) or have posters emploring that we all only purchase essentials.

No doubt somebody got to them.

374722 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #1224 of 1818 🔗

BOYCOTT them?…I am starting to boycott all these businesses…….

374774 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1225 of 1818 🔗

All very well to say that, but we still have to eat and supermarkets are the only places to purchase a lot of things.

To be honest, it makes not an iota of difference to myself in real terms. I don’t buy clothes in surpermarkets anyway. It was just the feeling that another little turn of the screw by Drakeford and his incompents has been felt.

374822 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #1226 of 1818 🔗

Who needs to buy clothes anymore anyway.

We don’t go anywhere.

We can just sit at home in any old gear – nobody sees us.

Eleven months since I had a frickin haircut.

374980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to rockoman, #1227 of 1818 🔗

Right. I have enough clothes to last me the next 10 years. I work from home half the week in an old sweat suit with no makeup either.

374719 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 49, #1228 of 1818 🔗

Apologies if this has been mentioned

on last nights Big Three Conference, Whitty was asked if someone who had had the vaccine could meet up with someone else (friends or family) who had had the vaccine?…..

he basically said ‘no’?…that the vaccine wont make a difference (until THEY decide otherwise) and we are all still ‘potential carriers’ and social distancing masks etc will continue?

SO….what is the point in the vaccine if we cant go back to NORMAL?

How long will it be until the vaccinated wake up?…..a year?…two years?

374738 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1229 of 1818 🔗

Never if furlough continues for a year or two..

374755 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 10, #1230 of 1818 🔗

What can you say but something like “Stupid wanker”?

Anyway … that knocks out even the one pragmatic reason for taking the snake-oil.

374763 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Luckyharry69, 17, #1231 of 1818 🔗

When a large number have had it and they still say no things will move in our favour as people are going to ask why? They can’t bullshit everbody forever with their lies and false promises. Something will eventually have to give.

374784 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 6, #1232 of 1818 🔗

when do you think the turning point will be?…..because there will be a turning point?….

I think Johnson is going to try and keep this going for 4 years…until the next election…..

374741 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 9, #1233 of 1818 🔗

Reply from Whately to email of 22 December. She knows better than Joel Smalley and Marie Oldfield (In particular that ‘Interventions didn’t save any lives, but probably caused the death of at least 20k already.) because her parents were doctors. Keep up the pressure chaps!

374953 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #1234 of 1818 🔗

Thanks for the update Nigel. I’m not a million miles away, she is only 1-2 constituencies away, my Lab MP isn’t a whole deal better mind you… not sure if you’ve seen the page on Parliament where people have asked (and answered) questions, this choice quote from Whately (amongst several things that she has answered) stands out: “ “We have made no assessment of the proportion of people who test positive who may be infectious at the time they are tested.” now I didn’t go to no medical school, but this sounds kind of important!

374987 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1235 of 1818 🔗

This was part of my reply relating my experience in October and December driving a friend to various hospitals for surgery and radiation treatments and noting the almost complete lack of ambulance movements at the various A&Es in Kent.

Fortunately her prognosis seems excellent. A friend with whom we sailed on TB Orinoco in August 2019 was not so fortunate. He had his cancer treatment stopped in 2020 and died.

I inserted the excellent ‘Eyes’ poster seen here earlier.

374743 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #1236 of 1818 🔗

This is really a fantastic judgement and should be distributed wide and far

Weimar Court: Germany’s Lockdown Restrictions Are Unconstitutional
latest-news-263

374881 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 6, #1237 of 1818 🔗

I think it is huge. I really hope other judges now have the courage to speak truth to this horrendous destruction of human decency and undermining of law.

374745 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 21, #1238 of 1818 🔗

Our friend Hugh wrote a marvellous comment this morning. Cheered me up no end. I smiled (remember the smile?). You must see it. It sits among the top comments. His opening reads like this:

‘I enjoyed a convivial evening with some friends from (our lockdown sceptic) church last night.’

The true Christian should immediately see where I’m going. *Every* church, every human claiming to be in the body of Christ should by definition be a lockdown sceptic/anti-lockdown. ‘Church leaders’ everywhere have been an utter disgrace during all of this.

374803 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1239 of 1818 🔗
374858 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #1240 of 1818 🔗

COULDN’T agree more. This was the greatest opportunity since WW1 for the churches to proclaim the Gospel, and instead they ran and hid in a hole.
I think that’s the end for many of them, including Jellybaby’s creche of cowards.

374865 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1241 of 1818 🔗

I’m an ex-Catholic going on 30 years and even I could see this. Belief in a higher power as a beacon of your faith, the faith that carries you in the worst times when you think it has abandonned you. That you look after yourself but still give a nod to God that ultimately it’s in his hands. Momento mori.

The church has ignored all that for fear. As a scientist I’m fully aware of the deeper the knowledge the less you know (as the Tao Te Ching points out a good few millenia ago).
And hence you must trust that your path and conviction are all you have.

You don’t cower to a respiratory disease or super deadly virus if in the end you’ll go when you go. You get out and go the church more, you sing more and celebrate more.

Even Christ had his doubts but he still endured.

374917 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mhcp, 8, #1242 of 1818 🔗

Yes. This is why the orthodox Jewry celebrated a wedding with 400 people present, because they know they are part of something bigger than the squalid little materialistic world of Whitty et al.

I find it staggering that many churches, including my own parish church, have voluntarily closed – not because of government diktat, which has allowed them to stay open, but because of their own decision to do so – in a world where many Christians are persecuted or even killed if found meeting for worship, even in private.

374895 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1243 of 1818 🔗

I will be sending a private message to you (and to mhcp) shortly. It would be great to hear from you.
In case you don’t know private messages are found in the Forums.

374996 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Stephanos, 2, #1244 of 1818 🔗

What Forums are these?
Found ’em!

374995 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1245 of 1818 🔗

Yes- the religious impulse itself is inherently-communal.

374748 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #1246 of 1818 🔗

A long-time friend and colleague posted me this today in an e-mail :

X died of Covid last Saturday.He was 87years but very fit and well”

I wanted to shout : “Covid? You mean of old age tested with PCR?”

… but, of course I didn’t. A lot of people are fit and well at that sort of age – and then drop off their perch. I would count myself lucky.

374776 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to RickH, 15, #1247 of 1818 🔗

I love the way people point out to me someone they know who’s died of COVID like they’re proving me wrong. Completely missing the point that I’m lockdown sceptic not COVID denier. Call me bad but I can’t help responding to them –
‘so sad and what a shame lockdown didn’t save them, rather proves my point?’

374792 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #1248 of 1818 🔗

Yes. I think we should be more aggressive on the logic front and more forgiving of those who have been frightened into irrationality.

So – load on the sarcasm about failed lockdowns and masks and the persistent wrongness of SAGE about almost everything, whilst going easy on the ‘idiot’ charges.

An interesting additional fact about the friend I quote – and the deceased – is that they are both practising RCs who might be expected to look a bit more on the bright side re. the inevitability of death. But I’ve never quite got my head around that often observed fundamental contradiction in the religious.

374958 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1249 of 1818 🔗

And the masking didn’t help either!

374777 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 2, #1250 of 1818 🔗

That’s quite true.
A number of residents at my mum’s care home have died when they’d seemed relatively healthy, i.e. not bed-bound, or were particularly old. This was in pre-CV19 days.

374820 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to LMS2, 11, #1251 of 1818 🔗

But in woke world nobody dies except from covid. I am absolutely sure that my 125 year old nan is still alive, she just hasn’t been answering the phone lately.

375231 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Old Bill, #1252 of 1818 🔗

🤣 🤣 good one.

374752 Puddleglum59, replying to Puddleglum59, 21, #1253 of 1818 🔗

Afternoon all,

A big thank you to all of you who post on here – a real pick me up each day. Appreciate all the humour and information I read and trust that we will continue for what remains of this ‘epidemic’.

Keep going everyone and keep up the support.

374807 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Puddleglum59, 5, #1254 of 1818 🔗

Hello Puddleglum!
Keep up the good work 🙂
Being here keeps us marshwiggles sane.

374853 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #1255 of 1818 🔗

Hey, we have two Puddleglums? Or is it 59?
You can never have too many Puddleglums. His defence of faith is one of the noblest speeches in literature, IMO. May the marsh wiggle for ever!

374861 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Annie, 2, #1256 of 1818 🔗

You wouldn’t believe the competition in getting Puddleglum as a moniker. I’m Puddleglumish in a number of places but managed to get in here first!

374866 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Annie, 2, #1257 of 1818 🔗

I have been Puddleglum for 30 years. My grandchildren know me as Puddles

374993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Puddleglum59, #1258 of 1818 🔗

No idea what either of you are referring to!

375025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1259 of 1818 🔗

Puddleglum the marsh wiggle in C.S.Lewis’ Silver Chair. Simples!!

374872 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Annie, #1260 of 1818 🔗

I was born in 59 hence the 59

375101 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Puddleglum59, #1261 of 1818 🔗

Not 77 then?

374879 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, #1262 of 1818 🔗

It is, a beautiful, moving speech, makes the heart leap and soar.

374873 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Puddleglum, #1263 of 1818 🔗

Yup

375066 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Puddleglum, #1264 of 1818 🔗

Oh, The Silver Chair. One of my favourites, and I have a daughter named after Jill Pole 🙂

375140 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, #1265 of 1818 🔗

Oh my. This brings back memories. My ingrates of children never got into CS Lewis. I want to re-read now

374753 John P, replying to John P, 68, #1266 of 1818 🔗

Like everyone else here I have been dismayed by the attacks on leading lockdown sceptics in the media, scientific and medical fields in recent weeks. Many have been keeen to point out that they are lockdown sceptics and not covid sceptics.

However, I think I might describe myself these days as a covid sceptic as well as a lockdown sceptic.

I have become increasingly mistrustful of government claims regarding covid, particularly since they started talking about the “new variant”. In my considered opinion the “new variant” narrative is nothing more than a device to maintain high levels of anxiety in the minds of members of the public. In short I think we are being lied to about it.

I should just point out that I still do not believe that this was all planned well in advance as some sort of scheme to destroy our way of life. I do not believe that this is a “plandemic”.

But I do think that the claims that are now being made about this virus by the government are largely false.

The so-called “first wave” I now think may even have been largely caused by the lockdown itself, though I remain open to the possibility that some of the deaths may have been caused by the virus.

In view of what was happening in the world way back in March it was probably sensible to put in place some protection measures for vulnerable persons as per the Great Barrington Declaration.

But now there is a huge question to be asked about what has happened to the flu and why flu related deaths are now so low. This has to be explained! Either the covid virus (I get tired of referring to it as “SARS-CoV-2”, you know what I mean) is out-competing the flu virus, or the deaths are being misdiagnosed as covid when they are flu.

I do not accept that this is a “second wave”. Respiratory infections are largely seasonal and more elderly and at-risk people die in winter. Every single year!

So while I am not “covid sceptic” to the extent of believing that the virus does not exist – I’m sure it does. I AM covid sceptic to the extent of greatly doubting what we are now being told about the virus. I don’t think that is anything to be ashamed of and I make no apologies about it.

374769 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to John P, 14, #1267 of 1818 🔗

No apologies needed. I’m certainly of the same mind that the government seem to be throwing everything and anything at perpetuating this COVID show for many and various reasons.

374772 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John P, 5, #1268 of 1818 🔗

Either the covid virus (I get tired of referring to it as “SARS-CoV-2”, you know what I mean) is out-competing the flu virus ,” – This is the view put forward by Ivor Cummins in a recent video.

374775 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1269 of 1818 🔗

Except that the number of deaths attributed to ‘Covid’ is highly suspicious.

I fear that it is too late to untangle this data mess.

374786 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, 10, #1270 of 1818 🔗

Fully agree Rick. I sent a mail to someone earlier today pointing out that the true measure of what’s been causing deaths (including suicides, delayed or cancelled treatments etc etc) is now totally corrupted by Covid ‘test’ cases’. Who really knows now what the collateral death count is?

DavidC

374863 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #1271 of 1818 🔗

I think the only way would be to start auditing now properly with the starting position being that we’ve been totally out of whack with the Covid numbers, do proper serology testing and autopsies, the extrapolate that sample. Try and disprove the theory. You’d have a rough idea no? I could be way out with such a suggestion though.

374773 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to John P, 18, #1272 of 1818 🔗

I think it could be described as convergent opportunism, i.e. the CV19 virus provided a good cover to do in a few months what governments have signed up under climate change agreements to do over a number of years.
One example: during the first lockdown, with road travel massively reduced, and many people out on bikes to get exercise on relatively empty roads, the government, i.e., Grant Schapps, took the opportunity to provide £millions to councils to put in cycle lanes everywhere, because when things went back to “normal” more people would be working from home and others would take up cycling to work permanently.
Or: when everyone was locked down, Boris gave a rousing speech about climate change and wind turbines, while people’s businesses, built up over years, were going up in smoke.

374793 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to LMS2, 2, #1273 of 1818 🔗

Won’t make any difference.

Jevons Paradox will make sure that oil consumption will not fall as long as supply is available.

e-g Air travel within China still rising year on year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

374870 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, #1274 of 1818 🔗

Nothing to do with supply, it’s about how economical it is to dig it out of the ground. Marginal costs are key.

374933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1275 of 1818 🔗

Exactly oil extraction becomes more expensive as readily available sources dry up, at some point it will just become to uneconomical to extract, long before supply runs out.

374928 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, #1276 of 1818 🔗

It’s not meant to.Climate change policy has always been about control

374830 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to LMS2, 2, #1277 of 1818 🔗

The use of public transport has nosedived. This doesn’t mean people have stopped going to work. The roads are still busy and also, lined with rubbish.

Time to call it the Great Greenwash, as that’s what it is.

374903 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to LMS2, 4, #1278 of 1818 🔗

Yes, I don’t buy the ‘plandemic’ idea because this would necessitate every world leader and quite a few senior government figures (plus bankers, lawyers, military etc) in EVERY country being in on the conspiracy, with not a single one breaking ranks or talking about it to anyone.

‘Convergent opportunism’ is a great phrase. I think what we are seeing is a coming together of various strands of global corruption and blackmail, banksterism, environmental fanaticism, scientism/health fascism and ‘safetyism’. Combine this with a dying mainstream media desperate for click bait, and you have the current chaos.

374920 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1279 of 1818 🔗

read the off=guardian article represented above, it provides a plausible explanation of why everyone was on board with it, that accounts for the specific behaviour of various national leaders

374941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1280 of 1818 🔗

Yes, it seems very plausible. My question is, what is the outcome going to be for ordinary people? Is extreme pessimism justified?

374926 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1281 of 1818 🔗

Nah it wouldn’t. Convergent opportunism is bollocks for one reason. Someone had to instigate this, the deep state (security services) would be all over this like stink on a goat, if they weren’t part of it. This isn’t petty corruption there was state collusion.

I’m not saying covid19 doesn’t exist, i’m saying it was their perfect excuse to implement the 4th industrial revolution in much the same way as the The Inclosure Acts from 1604. Its a combination of fixing the financial disaster of 2008 & advancing the climate change agenda.

The official covid19 narrative is shaky as hell, riddled with holes, but the corrupt system is holding it together. The deep state are part of this!

375071 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cranmer, #1282 of 1818 🔗

Ffs – they’re not even hiding it so how can you not believe it? The WEF are proud of their great reset and have even said ‘You’ll own nothing and be happy.’ So who will own whatever small amount of stuff we have compared to the Davos elite when they start asset-stripping us all? But don’t say you don’t believe it without reading or listening to what they themselves are saying..

374780 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 11, #1283 of 1818 🔗

UK column have always maintained that the surge in deaths in April was caused by lockdown policies,not the virus.According to the sewage samples Covid was present in the population since December 2019.

374788 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1284 of 1818 🔗

If anyone here on LS hasn’t seen the UK Column programmes (still on YouTube although they are diversifying to Bitchute as well) I urge them to do so.

DavidC

374826 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DavidC, -6, #1285 of 1818 🔗

The last 2 programmes simply regurgitated stuff we’ve already seen. In fact 70% of their content consists of twitter output with a few MSM headlines. There’s precious little original research.

375030 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mayo, #1286 of 1818 🔗

Well may be so, but some things are worth repeating. We could say something similar about LS news items, but best we let that pass.

375183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mayo, #1287 of 1818 🔗

I think you’re covers blown, maybe reinvent yourself & come back with a new strategy.

374808 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #1288 of 1818 🔗

It has always puzzled me, but if they can detect Covid in human sewage then surely it can be detected in bullshit as well? And if that, then maybe the converse too – the bullshit could surely be detected in the Covid crap shat out on a daily basis.

374814 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1289 of 1818 🔗

Pretty sure they would detect masses of bulls if they looked for it.

374785 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to John P, 12, #1290 of 1818 🔗

Viruses mutate or produce variants. That’s what they do. What makes me so angry is the hysteria that the governement and BBC play on the general puiblic’s unawareness and ignorance of basic virology.

DavidC

374795 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 14, #1291 of 1818 🔗

Its a scam dude!

The deaths are a mixture, mostly from what you expect of a normal respiratory season, flu, corona/rhino viruses, pneumonia etc etc maybe a small amount of cv19 infections.

In April i suspect most excess deaths were lockdown related, viruses don’t do waves they aint Mexicans. Modern society has been plagued with seasonal viral epidemics for centuries (caused by our way of life) which is what we are seeing now in January with a few avoidable cv19 deaths because of April lockdown.

I really try hard not to accept it was a planned event but the hard evidence really does suggest it was a brilliantly executed fraud. The evidence is to damning for a chain of incompetent coincidence, it all starts with a test that measure nothing & a vaccine that offers no immunity, it smells rancid.

What ever covid19 was or is its enabled political opportunism that has taken many healthy innocent lives & rocked civilization, there should must be new Nuremberg style trials!

374844 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1292 of 1818 🔗

I think the idea that it was used to hide the collapse of financial markets that was coming is not a silly one. All of a sudden it appeared to be financially correct to do massive injections of debt and then sustain an economy on more debt. Hyperinflation is closer.

If the idea is for all sovereign debt to be wiped out and the monetary system to be reset then good luck with your savings.

I don’t think that the consequences were thought through. Having a financial collapse decreases the blast radius for those responsible. What we have seen here is Nuremberg level and the idiots don’t realise it.

374852 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mhcp, 1, #1293 of 1818 🔗

Gold!

I don’t understand or trust crypto, anything digital can be corrupt by the deep state.

374876 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1294 of 1818 🔗

Gold is a racket too. More claims than there are gold assets. Massive paper fraud. You better own it if you’re into it

374907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1295 of 1818 🔗

If you can’t hold it, you don’t own it. I’ve invested a bit in physical gold and silver, but mainly as an emergency hedge to preserve a small amount of savings if we get hyperinflation.

374950 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1296 of 1818 🔗

Exactly if you have modest savings gold is the best security, in times of negative interest.

Government has to find where you buried it to confiscate it 🙂

374991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Anti_socialist, #1297 of 1818 🔗

Like wot that All-American hero FDR did, you mean?

374939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1298 of 1818 🔗

Yes that is true. Not worth looking at any investments that aren’t backed by physical gold. Only problem with owning precious metals, as Dr Vernon Coleman has pointed out, the possibility (probability??) of Governments coming looking for it via confiscation orders. OK you’ll get compensated, but full market value? prob not..

374940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1299 of 1818 🔗

You gotta hold it to own it.

374893 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1300 of 1818 🔗

if anyone asks me if I’m into Crypto I tell them I’m heavily invested in the Snowflake

374828 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to John P, 3, #1301 of 1818 🔗

See Dr Thomas Cowan on his explanation of the Covid ” new Variants ” and how they come up with them . You may find his theories a bit too out there but then again could anything really be that far out now ? , especially when consider the dystopian madness we have been plunged into .

374911 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John P, 5, #1302 of 1818 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/22/the-old-lady-who-swallowed-a-fly/ – read this, already posted on here earlier, but it’s impossible to get through ALL the posts, so worth re=posting in case you didn’t see it before. It provides the most plausible explanation of what’s REALLY going on that I’ve seen so far. of course covid is a lie: whether there really is such a virus or not isn’t that material to the issue – I think there probably isn’t, but even if there is, it’s not what the narrative says it is, and there’s nothing much to distinguish it from all the other respiratory viruses which have been sickening and even killing some of us forever. so it’s all a BIG FAT LIE.

374760 isobar, replying to isobar, #1303 of 1818 🔗

Latest from Time for Recovery. Well worth a read!
https://www.thinkscotland.org/thinkbusiness/articles.html?read_full=14413

374848 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, #1304 of 1818 🔗

One of the best pieces yet on the criminal iniquity of lockdowns and terror porn.

374778 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 37, #1305 of 1818 🔗

Disgusting Government fear campaign advert “Look them in the eyes and tell them you’re doing all you can to stop the spread of COVID-19. Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives.” –

Here’s an alternative found on twitter.

374810 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1306 of 1818 🔗

Anyone got the “and tell him his education doesn’t matter ” one, please?

374924 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1307 of 1818 🔗

saw this one:

374925 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1308 of 1818 🔗

and this one:

374811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1309 of 1818 🔗

Jesus. It’s all the people’s fault. This is psychological warfare

374821 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1310 of 1818 🔗

Total psychological abuse.

375021 ▶▶ james007, replying to godowneasy, #1311 of 1818 🔗

Is there a collection of these somewhere? Or shall we ask if they can be included in an update?

375059 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1312 of 1818 🔗

I’m going to send this to my useless MP. He’s already had 2 shitty emails from me, his 2nd reply little more than a cut and paste of his 1st. Perhaps he might understand visuals, rather than words.

375137 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, #1313 of 1818 🔗

I think I will do the same

374783 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 61, #1314 of 1818 🔗

If this bunch of shit kickers looked after the poor bastards with mental issues, those commiting/contemplating suicide,and those dying in agony with cancer as much as all of those supposed covid victims then Fuck me we’d have a health service to be proud of.. And how about a police force that instead of nicking inocent joe’s for sitting to close on park benches, actually got off it’s fucking arse and kicked shit out of child abusers and rapists.. Fuck this shit show.

374790 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #1315 of 1818 🔗

Can I buy you a beer Bruce?……I will toast your health in the meantime

374796 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1316 of 1818 🔗

Any time never say no free Guinness, come the better weather we’ll sink some pints.

374800 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1317 of 1818 🔗

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than buying you and every one on here a drink………

374802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Luckyharry69, 12, #1318 of 1818 🔗

Thank you sir would love to meet this band of brothers when this shit is over..

374878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1319 of 1818 🔗

Me too

375189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Janette, 2, #1320 of 1818 🔗

We have been talking about meeting each other for so long now – I really thought we would have already had our celebratory LDS party by this time.
Something to look forward to anyway.

374921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1321 of 1818 🔗

I concur. I’m sure I speak for many Bruce, when I say you lift a lot of people’s spirits. I’d second what the above said & buy you a Guinness.. bet you’ve had quite the life. with the train robbin’ & now all the mask adventures & all…..! 🙂

375178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1322 of 1818 🔗

Thank you my friend that’s a nice compliment and I will certainly take up your offer regarding the Guinness.

374813 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1323 of 1818 🔗

to

374794 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1324 of 1818 🔗

Eloquently put!

374801 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Old Bill, 10, #1325 of 1818 🔗

No Etonian bullshit here a Borstal education teaches you to speak eloquently..

374832 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1326 of 1818 🔗

Aw, you people with a privileged education always have to boast about it…

374842 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 5, #1327 of 1818 🔗

It’s hard to be humble Annie..

374798 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1328 of 1818 🔗

Google is ‘holding a gun to our head’ by threatening the removal of the search engine in Australia

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6CClY4Tt8

374804 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #1329 of 1818 🔗

This is an opportunity, not a disaster, just stop using google!

374900 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1330 of 1818 🔗

As said before, DuckDuckGo works fine.

374962 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo, 1, #1331 of 1818 🔗

Yes, Dissenter browser seems fine too (blocked 17,489 ads and trackers in the last 13 days).

374977 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo, 1, #1332 of 1818 🔗

Certainly does. DDG search engine/ Brave browser. Can’t beat it with a stick.

375412 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, #1333 of 1818 🔗

Loads of other search engines as good as Google and most of them won’t be tracking your browsing and handing details of it on to the CIA.

374818 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1334 of 1818 🔗

Don’t like Australia, Google?

Guess you’d better go build your own Australia then.

374838 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1335 of 1818 🔗

I’m fairly sure a large portion of the population are unaware of alternative search engines.

374970 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1336 of 1818 🔗

Next to Twitter’s New Uganda. Slartibartfast’s new gig perhaps?

375055 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #1337 of 1818 🔗

he did a wonderful job with Norway

375177 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mj, #1338 of 1818 🔗

He won an award I believe! (not a Nobel prize though)

374836 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #1339 of 1818 🔗

Au revoir Google! And don’t come back.

Twenty plus years ago I discovered Google and praised its search engine capabilities to my friends and acquaitances. Over time, they got too big for their britches, hitched a ride on Chinese Communist Party bandwagon and have been heading downhill ever since. Are there any hackers here? Just wondering if we could siphon off some of Google’s server power and harvest it. Like they want to do with us.

375068 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1340 of 1818 🔗

Yes when it first appeared it seemed like a gift from God compared to Lycos and Altavista and Yahoo etc. Now people are doing the reverse and turning back to the little guy.

374868 ▶▶ mj, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1341 of 1818 🔗

China doesnt like Australia at the moment either … coincidence?

374919 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mj, #1342 of 1818 🔗

Recommend drinking some good Aussie wine in solidarity.

Here in the US I’ve found one called Ring-bolt that is superb.

374812 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1343 of 1818 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_(1980_film)
Bonfire of the Yuppies
The book is better than the film. They usually are. Example: Dune.
Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse Five was one of the few exceptions.

374975 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to bebophaircut, #1344 of 1818 🔗

I preferred the book! Slaughterhouse-Five, I mean.

374816 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #1345 of 1818 🔗

Jogger advert pulled by ASA. Up yours government scum. Hugo talks.

https://youtu.be/Ycs7LU2z_lc

Apologies if posted already.

374827 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Basics, 5, #1346 of 1818 🔗

So, I’m guessing, Hugo talks, bullshit walks? Splendid.

374847 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 12, #1347 of 1818 🔗

The propaganda is in full swing.5 o clock news had a segment asking/telling people to visit only their local parks.One woman described joggers as terrifying ,spewing and spreading their germs.Khan again called for outdoor mask wearing as its scary walking his dog.
When will people say enough is enough.

375008 ▶▶▶ TC, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1348 of 1818 🔗

I’m thinking of taking up running just to add a spice of danger to passer bys’ bleak,grey Covid restricted lives.
Then again, the exercise might kill me.

374817 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #1349 of 1818 🔗

My local Tesco have been pretty good particularly maybe because this a ‘covidian area’. I have been challenged twice since July – once since the ‘clampdown’ but had no problems flashing my exempt card.

Interestingly this week feeling in a low mood I headed off in the afternoon when I normally shop when its quiet. There was no challenge which I thought must be the result of people writing in.

Today there was no challenge either but they now have a sign attached to the board outside ‘no mask no entry’. I carried on walking awaiting the challenge from the woman handing out the hand sanitiser but nothing came.

The experience inside is getting more and more surreal. I don’t mind the confrontation but the experience is becoming sterile. The looks from the mask wearers is more pronounced. I guess many feel emboldened.

I’m not sure if there is an alternative as we have only Sainsbury’s left – if you discount Lidl. And Waitrose is another level from my experience shopping there last year in Bath.

The shop girl said she ‘wanted it to be over’ but complained the shop is a ‘covid catchment area’. I explained that through March and April last year at the height of things that Tesco couldn’t tell if any staff had suffered and were off in our branch. Thats how prevalent it was / is. But she was young and probably believing it all.

A strange day in strange times…

374839 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #1350 of 1818 🔗

I suspect many of those stink eye stares are of envy you have the balls to go as nature intended. I think most people wear masks for a quiet life, not because they are covidians.

374922 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1351 of 1818 🔗

Perhaps but I think anyone who has studied things would come to the same conclusion.

I see the ‘starers’ as are part of the process that is psychologically enforcing this. If what you say is true then the cognitive dissonance must be difficult.

375028 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1352 of 1818 🔗

Ye

375057 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1353 of 1818 🔗

Sodding slow Android phone…

Yes when the supermarkets joined PHE the other week a target was very much placed on our backs. I went to the local market again this morning to get provisions and at the fruit and veg stall out of 4 queues of 5 or 6 people I was the only one without a face nappy. Outdoors! None of the stallholders wore them. Got more sense. Now I’m 230 miles further north (just as many swervers and muzzloids normally though no masks at all on all those interviewed on the local news tonight) I will try out the Coop as this seems ok re exemptions.

374823 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1354 of 1818 🔗

Tulsi Gabbard: Proposed domestic terrorism laws ‘directly undermine’ freedom
Why doesn’t this woman just jump ship, join the republicans & run for president 2024 save us from more trump & demoncrat nightmares.

374918 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1355 of 1818 🔗

I agree, I like her. But if Sniffer Joe can only get a dozen people on socially distanced deckchairs to a Presidential campaign event, yet get 11 or 12 million more votes than Obama, do you think anybody other than an approved Democrat will ever win anything in the US, ever again?!

375051 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1356 of 1818 🔗

Well………………………no, but we have to have some hope no matter how improbable.

375004 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1357 of 1818 🔗

She’s the one 👍 ✅ ✅ ✅

374829 alw, replying to alw, 17, #1358 of 1818 🔗

Just had a form from my local council to ask if I want to register for a postal vote for the forthcoming mayoral elections in London which I have had confirmed are going ahead on May 6th. Definitely going to go for a postal vote because I don’t want to be masked up to vote and it’s also time to get rid of Khan.

374889 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 4, #1359 of 1818 🔗

Why not follow the example of the USA, and ask to register ten people?

374896 ▶▶ Jo, replying to alw, 4, #1360 of 1818 🔗

Apparently Brian Rose is the one to follow – he goes out on a “battlebus”, apparently and he wants everyone back to work, my partner says.

374904 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo, 2, #1361 of 1818 🔗

He’s a (hmm, my personal opinion of him, without any supporting evidence) con-man. Brian Rose is about enriching Brian Rose, nothing genuine about him.

374956 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1362 of 1818 🔗

I must admit there’s something I don’t like about him, but I can’t put my finger on what it is. He’s got that rather dead look behind the eyes – a bit like Alex Belfield – so that although I agree with most of what he says I don’t warm to him as a person. Maybe I’m too concerned about ‘da feelz’!

375032 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1363 of 1818 🔗

Agreed. There’s something very self-serving about him. Used to get bombarded with emails from him, promoting his business and campaign to become the next Mayor. Had to block them.

374914 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to alw, 1, #1364 of 1818 🔗

A London friend of mine is still awaiting a reply from a complaint made to the Assembly re: Khan, — specifically w.r.t. BLM, John Sullivan was arrested for the [so-called] “insurrection” at Capitol hill, Jan 6th. Mainstream press over here carried details of the arrest & made it clear the guy is a BLM activist, FBI arrest report said he “lead” the crowd into the Capitol. it’s been asked if it remains appropriate for Khan to publicize the group, seeing as the Dem’s are still hell bent on calling it an “insurrection” & using it as an excuse for Impeachment II.

375148 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to alw, 1, #1365 of 1818 🔗

Who can you vote FOR though (I am just outside the Greater London boundary so can’t vote). I would have said Shaun Bailey, but I have no idea where he stands on lockdown, he certainly hasn’t been a vociferous critic. I like him, but not convinced. He is certainly better than Khan, but that is a ridiculously low bar. Are there any genuinely anti-lockdown candidates standing?

374831 John P, replying to John P, 21, #1366 of 1818 🔗

To add to my recent post. In that post I said the following:

“In my considered opinion the “new variant” narrative is nothing more than a device to maintain high levels of anxiety in the minds of members of the public. In short I think we are being lied to about it.”

I didn’t say why I thought they were doing that. I think the answer is twofold.

1) A frightened populace is more likely to obey the rules.

SAGE. I think it fair to say that they, along with the three amigos, are really running the show here. The rudderless and clueless blond clown who squats in 10 Downing Street thinks that leadership is listening to what SAGE says and never questioning them.

The “high priests” of SAGE need to maintain in their own minds the illusion of control over the populace, because no-one has all the answers. SAGE members feel safer (more in control) when the public are anxious (feeling less in control). A confident populace might stand up to SAGE and properly challenge the claims that they make. While the public are scared they pose no threat to the “holy” wisdom of “the science” as defined by SAGE.

Maybe that sounds a bit paranoid, and I think I could have perhaps put that better, but that’s broadly what I think is happening in this perverse situation.

2) A frightened populace is more likely to want a cure.

High levels of anxiety they hope may result in a greater uptake of the vaccine.

374834 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to John P, 2, #1367 of 1818 🔗

👍 💯

374851 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John P, 4, #1368 of 1818 🔗

on 2) the high levels of anxiety won’t dissipate once the vaccine is taken and lockdown remains in place.

374835 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1369 of 1818 🔗

The “so called” death toll is nearing 100,000 and even by my B stream secondary modern school maths education 1960-64, I reckon that if the total population is 70,000000; that means that one in every 70 people have died with Covid.
Now you would think that somebody somewhere amongst our friends, associates and family would have heard of at least one person who has died of this virus, wouldn’t you? but no, not a single one.
I suppose that we don’t have the right friends, associates and family.
Strange, ain’t it
PS: All figures are approximate.

374846 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1370 of 1818 🔗

70,000,000 / 100,000 = 700
So the rate is 1 in 700
1 in 70 is very approximate!

374862 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1371 of 1818 🔗

Thanks for the correction, Andy.
Like I say; B stream education from almost 60 years ago but that’s no excuse, I should have used my calculator.

374949 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1372 of 1818 🔗

You simply applied the Ferguson factor.

374850 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1373 of 1818 🔗

70,000,000 / 100,000 = 700. Sorry – but back to class for you.

374864 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1374 of 1818 🔗

Ever felt stupid?

374871 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1375 of 1818 🔗

I try to do that at least once a day!

374859 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1376 of 1818 🔗

very approximate ..!!!!! but point taken

374946 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1377 of 1818 🔗

You get to 100,000 by simply labelling virtually every death as Covid. Since this all started death certificates have only to be signed by one doctor, the dodgy PCR test has increased the numbers plus 22,000 being shipped back 8nto care homes has lead to probably c.30,000 additional deaths.

375132 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1378 of 1818 🔗

I am 52, and have a reasonably wide circle of friends, current and former work colleagues, parents of my two children of school age (16 and 11), parents of my son’s rugby club, parents of my daughter’s climbing club, friends and family of my wife, add to that my brothers family and friends and assorted other individuals i know thorough football, golf etc and I reckon we are talking several hundred people. I don’t know anybody who has been hospitalised, let alone died ‘with’ Covid. Odd?

374837 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #1379 of 1818 🔗

I don’t think we have been anywhere near angry enough about what has been done to us. We have been passive and they have trampled all over us. Time to fight back. We are entitled to act in self defence of ourselves and our families

Johnson, Hancock, Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance, The police, the MP’s who voted to lock us up all deserve anything that comes to them

I hope they rot in hell

374840 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1380 of 1818 🔗

It’d be great if a good number of business get behind the Great Reopening on 30th Jan, show the gov we’ve had enough of our economy and livelihoods being destroyed.

375181 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #1381 of 1818 🔗

Yeah. I think many wnat something tangible to grab onto. A leader or event not tainted so much by the Covid denier slur or 5g placard. Just something which shows we have sacrificed enough now. That the 3 weeks to flatten is almost at its 1 year stage and we cannot continue to be lied to when we know lockdowns don’t work. The experiments have failed. The vaccine looks like another lead balloon.

374843 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1382 of 1818 🔗

Remember the European Elections?….the Brexit Party had an avalanche?…the Tories got one/two seats?….Brexit Party 29/30 seats?…..it WILL happen again if we are allowed to vote!!!

374845 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, #1383 of 1818 🔗

Does Sh×t rot?, I know that it doesn’t burn.

374854 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1384 of 1818 🔗

It makes great compost – though I wouldn’t risk putting the remains of these characters on my veg patch.

374856 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1385 of 1818 🔗

oh yes it does. one of the main fuels for cooking in africa is dried dung.

but point taken

374857 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, #1386 of 1818 🔗

I stand corrected.

374886 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1387 of 1818 🔗

The apathy of the typical Briton is both a blessing and a curse. It is probably what spared this country from the religious and political extremism that cursed Europe for most of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and what prevented fascism and/or communism from taking root in an overt way.

The average Briton is basically Jim Royle from The Royle Family. As long as he has his tea on the table, his central heating and his telly on, he will happily sit out lockdown on his DFS sofa, passively consuming junk food and TV propaganda. Pay him to stay at home rather than work, and he will be even happier.

The apathy will end when the money ends, the TV ends and the junk food ends. It all depends now on whether the government can transition the country into totalitarianism without Jim Royle noticing.

374898 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1388 of 1818 🔗

Its worse than that, the average Briton is becoming an indoctrinated liberal leftist!

Globalist scientism worshippers embracing technocracy, manipulation on an unimaginable scale. Brain washed corporate serfs with no concept of nature or natural process.

374888 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1389 of 1818 🔗

All the work of psychologists, carefully orchestrated implementation to remove what little freedoms & rights we had left, a slow ratcheting up of authoritarianism, the “boiling frog effect”!

Note in the coming months more & more debate about ‘informed consent’ & compulsory vaccination, a reshaping of human rights, freedom of expression lost, what happens to your body is no longer your choice!

Its not the 1930s/40s, who’s going to save us from faux-communist/socialist globalists. The human rights lawyers are all leftist surrender monkeys, there’s no conservative/libertarians left in power to declare to war on neo-liberal globalists!

The future is depressing.

374913 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Cecil B, #1390 of 1818 🔗

They will.

374972 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1391 of 1818 🔗

Rot in hell? They will. The devil’s spawn will go to the devil’s home.

When some honest pub or restaurant or other businessperson recounts their woes, I always say, ‘Why aren’t you angry?’ and ‘why don’t you get together with others and resist?’.
Usually no response, but you’ve got to try.

375027 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1392 of 1818 🔗

Cecil, if everyone felt like us on here, this nonsense would have been over months ago. There are plenty of people moaning about it, but are too apathetic to fight back. Other than that, there are too many of the brainwashed and brain dead who are unwilling to resist.

375036 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1393 of 1818 🔗

In all seriousness, it will have to mean Nuremberg type trials – and I suspect they know this – and that prospect is what makes them follow the velvet gloved scorched earth polices.

The legal standard is clear: you can’t lock up a healthy population as a health measure and you can’t inflict coercion in mass mass vaccination. I am satisfied that Johnson won’t escape a jail sentence of 15 or 20 years. We’re not ‘savages’ and we want him and his com-padres to receive justice but they crossed the Rubicon not the people they allegedly serve.

374841 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 57, #1394 of 1818 🔗

Been a busy week so been quiet on here and next week will be the same but here’s a few updates:

  • son went back to Poland. KLM merged 3 flights into 1 and gave him a check-in time later than his original time. Went to check-in, his PCR test result was 73 hours old so what a performance getting him a sameday PCR test and rapid antigen test (another new requirement for Holland even if in tranit), proving he had a valid reason to fly and a few other things along the way so he could get on a later flight but KLM very understanding.
  • He forgot we are no longer part of the EU and needed a return ticket so had to fork out for that as well.
  • Got to Gdansk and found out he’s stuck to at least Feb 2nd as Poland closing all Immigration points until at least then.
  • when I’ve been outside GP surgeries and dentists trying to get in I’ve been chatting to the people queuing – the anger is building and there seemed to be little sympathy for the “NHS heroes”. There was not one person who thought they were doing a good job anymore but everyone was pissed off with GPs and so on, thought they were just enjoying the power trip and long holiday. Is this why the TV news is full off “poor us, look how hard we’re working, we’re exhausted” stories this week?
  • Mrs Awkward been out on the road with me for 4 days this week, 1 doing regular courier, 3 days doing covid lateral flow test deliveries
  • she knew the high street destruction was bad but the pictures on TV make it look like an normal early Sunday morning, now she’s seen it up close she realises how bad it really is as knows why I’m so “awkward” and angry
  • she’s seen a few hospitals, many GP surgeries, dentists etc and asks:
  • where are all the ambulances at A&E?
  • why are all the covid test centres empty?
  • why are all the vaccination centres empty?
  • where is the anger?
  • how do these idiots hold down a job until retirement, they are nominally unemployable?
  • don’t these idiots furloughed from the factories and offices that are now doing the same job with a lot less people know that at the end of furlough they no job?
  • why doesn’t anyone ask you to wear a face covering even at hospitals? You just walk in with an armful of boxes and no-one says a word? Told her essential key workers are immune to all viruses which is why so far not even a sniffle in the past 12 months.
  • got in a few good out loud comments in the supermarkets going to in-store pharmacies about them being so dangerous as the mask wearing idiots are spreading the virus by playing with their disgusting face coverings then touching everything with their dirty hands and could not understand how SAGE and the governments could not figure this out. Got some looks I can tell you.
  • managed to get in a few chats with supermarket till staff, duty managers etc about exemptions, risk assessments, social distancing being made up, what the law says and what the govenrment and MSM want you to think it says are 2 totally different things and so on and got them thoughtful as many of them qualify under the exemptions
  • now in the habit of giving a cheery “hello” or “good morning” to the very few masked morons who actually have the courage to look at me and look me in the eye in shops and so on. This certainly confuses them. They either look a way embarassed or reply and you can see them thinking “how do I get an exemption?”. Some even start a brief conversation now.

All in all a fun week.

374860 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1395 of 1818 🔗

Sounds like Covid is a smokescreen and its all about the Money, after all.

374884 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1396 of 1818 🔗

Brilliant update. Hope you have another fun week!

374885 ▶▶ alw, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1397 of 1818 🔗

2 million lost dental appointments…there will no longer be NHS dentistry at the end of this.
Screening services for cancer and other issues abandoned.

374964 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to alw, 1, #1398 of 1818 🔗

I’m still cc’d into my Local Dental Committee’s emails, and they seem resigned to the idea that many dental practices- both NHS and private- will not survive.

374891 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1399 of 1818 🔗

From what the son told me Manchester Airport may be in trouble financially:

  • all flights now from one terminal
  • very few fights actually flying as airlines merging multiple flights into one flight instead
  • terminals 2 and 3 closed
  • toilets not being cleaned
  • all shops, restaurants, bars, cafes closed
  • dirty and manky
  • very very few passengers
  • he got a hotel for £23 that normally cost £150 upwards
  • even more depressing experience than pre-March 2020

Mrs Awkward also telling me that whatever websites she browses (don’t know what one) are reporting people with rotting teeth and mouths and skin that is basically infected and giving lower facial skin problems, infected spots and acne and hair follicles.

Told her us sceptics highlighted this last July as possible complications due to mask wearing and look up meth mouth – it’s the same as mask mouth.

374849 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 19, #1400 of 1818 🔗

It’s my understanding that some adverts on the radio have been taken off air.
1.A dog Walker could have covid.
2.A cyclist could have covid.
3.Going for a takeaway coffee could harm others.
Unbelievable.
I did a Zoom chat with a couple of friends last night.
The total niveatity of them is staggering.
I told them to forget about standing in a bar again forget about buying your season ticket for Chelsea and no more normal xmas.

374968 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Dartford44, 3, #1401 of 1818 🔗

Not just ‘could’ have Covid. ‘Is likely to’.
Translate: is likely not to be a gibbering zombie who thinks talking to another human being brings instant death.
God confound the fear-porn merchants.

374867 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1402 of 1818 🔗

At the beginning of the week the proportion of 2nd vaccinated to 1st vaccinated was 1:10.
Looking at the figures today the 1st doses have gone from 100k to just under 500k whereas the 2nd vaccination has dropped from 20k down to about 1800 a day.
I guess we could be waiting a long time for lockdown to be lifted.

374934 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1403 of 1818 🔗

If I’m reading it rightly there are about 5,400,000 who’ve had a first dose of the experimental vaccine but not a second dose.

And if they are injecting about 2,000 a day with the second dose of the experimental vaccine, then at that rate it would take about 7 years to give everyone who has currently had the first dose their second dose.

In practice everyone in the priority groups who wants the first dose of the experimental vaccine will presumably at this rate of progress have been vaccinated in the next few months, so they could then go on to give them the second dose? I think they are claiming they will give second jabs within 12 weeks of the first.

374880 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1404 of 1818 🔗

Anyone else wondering why Drosten got into the stop press ATL?
Have his court case and cheating been mentioned ATL at all? (I can’t remember)
Why would he be given any credibility here?

374902 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1405 of 1818 🔗

I presumed it was a comparison to the Ferguson situation. They’re obviously both cut from the same cloth.

374883 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1406 of 1818 🔗

Badges available for purchase from Smiles matter, see this Ivor Cummins tweet. I’ve just ordered some.

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1353032963156561923

374894 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1407 of 1818 🔗

Will wear mine on my hat

374942 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1408 of 1818 🔗

That’s great. I have just ordered 2

374961 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Janette, 1, #1409 of 1818 🔗

Me too. A clutch, in fact.

374887 First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 4, #1410 of 1818 🔗

Nothing at all on the death of Hank Aaron two weeks after Moderna vaccine anywhere on the BBC news page. My parents (late 70s) won’t take any notice of me if I mention it unless its on the BBC sadly
https://www.newsweek.com/health-experts-hope-hank-aarons-death-doesnt-deter-people-covid-vaccine-1563914

374984 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 2, #1411 of 1818 🔗

Mrs M (six-zero) is exactly the same. If it’s not on the BBC, it either hasn’t happened or it’s a lie.

374897 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 26, #1412 of 1818 🔗

Taken from chapter one of Kenneth Clark’s Civilisation :
“[Civilisation] is actually quite fragile.  It can be destroyed.  What are its enemies?  Well, first of all fear – fear of war, fear of invasion, fear of plague and famine, that makes it simply not worthwhile constructing things, or planting trees or even planning next year’s crops.  And fear of the supernatural, which means that you daren’t question anything or change anything.  The late antique world was full of meaningless rituals, mystery religions, that destroyed self-confidence.  And then exhaustion, the feeling of hopelessness which can overtake people even with a high degree of material prosperity.”

“Fear of plague” (stay home?); “you daren’t question anything” (how dare people read THIS site?); “meaningless rituals” (repeated hand washing, distancing, mask wearing?); “mystery religions” (clap for the NHS?).

Thankfully some are not feeling hopeless; crops are still being planted, trees planted, construction work going on. But why do the Government and their advisors and hangers-on persist in their desire to fill people with more and more fear?

374931 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lowe, 9, #1413 of 1818 🔗

Good quote.

Yes, why bother continuing the elements of civilization?

Why bother studying?

Why bother starting a business?

Why bother starting a family – who wants to bring a child into this?

Why bother?

374986 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 5, #1414 of 1818 🔗

Precisely.

The future being planned for us is not worth living in.

Even the fictional machines in the Matrix films understood that the human organism needs to live, not merely exist.

Just man’s inhumanity to his fellow man I suppose.

374932 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lowe, 5, #1415 of 1818 🔗

Splendid quote. Prophetic, in fact.
History and prophecy often merge, don’t they?

374948 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Lowe, 4, #1416 of 1818 🔗

Planted a disease resistant elm out on the green in November. Somewhere for my grandchildren to scatter my ashes.

374901 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1417 of 1818 🔗
374905 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1418 of 1818 🔗

O’biden rolling out martial law in the US by signing a flurry of Covid-based executive orders:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/21/here-we-go-10-executive-orders-to-federally-weaponize-covid-against-us/

As always, I hate this timeline.

374938 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1422 of 1818 🔗

Yes, even Governor Botox of Michigan has had a miraculous conversion to the benefits of opening restaurants since she got her DNC vice chair gig from Creepy Joe. Not enough to make then viable businesses of course but it’s a start.

375041 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, #1423 of 1818 🔗

This will be difficult for the Guardianistas to ignore, given the trumpeting that occurred when Biden was declared POTUS…

374915 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 80, #1424 of 1818 🔗

Just back from a walk with fellow lockdown sceptic Gill. Was delighted to learn that the path crossed the main drive of the Prime Minister’s weekend retreat Chequers.

Noticed the security camera had its beady glass eye fixed in my direction and could not resist. Had no choice but to flick it two fingers and mouth “Fuck off Boris” at it.

Childish I know, but by God, I enjoyed it. Even better, the camera swivelled to follow every move we made after.

Small resistance I know, but done my bit today.

374923 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1425 of 1818 🔗

Haha that’s great Nick, that really made me laugh

374927 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1426 of 1818 🔗

You could make a notice and hold it up to the camera next time:
“Seasonal bump in Sweden is OVER”

374943 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1427 of 1818 🔗

Good one! Nice walk that.

374952 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Adamb, 12, #1428 of 1818 🔗

It is. Muddy though. Thankfully the farm shop was open for a bacon butty. We ate those in front of another camera. I think they were hoping I was parked there. Unlucky you, Thames Valley Police!

Also went past the Boer War Monument, so quite a long walk.

374945 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1429 of 1818 🔗

Mighty oaks from little acorns grow , good work !

374969 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1430 of 1818 🔗

Excellent, I’m very envious! My disobedience for today only amounted to a gathering of 10 or so (open air though, doing animal-related stuff), and an unmasked visit to two shops.

375009 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nymeria, 5, #1431 of 1818 🔗

Every little counts! And I’m from Wales, so insulting the PM is not the only rule I’ve broken today 😈

375013 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1432 of 1818 🔗

I think you may just win the gold star for disobedience today, Nick. Well done!

375106 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, 5, #1433 of 1818 🔗

I’ve done some illegal household mixing. And my friends cousins were there too, so actually 3 households hahahahaha. COME GET ME, BORIS!

We drank tea and chatted. So criminal of me.

375056 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1434 of 1818 🔗

Well if johnson is abiding by his rules then I assume he will be “staying home” in number 10 surely?! Would be hypocritical to go to chequers, but as we all know it’s one rule for me and one rule for thee! Glad you had a nice walk!

374916 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 14, #1435 of 1818 🔗

I thought ventilators exacerbated the problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55782716

I’ve seen the look into their eyes advert, it’s appalling.

374930 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 19, #1436 of 1818 🔗

How much tax money is the government spending on its terror public information campaign?

375050 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, #1437 of 1818 🔗

No one cares about tax money anymore.
It’s MMT now, until it no longer buys anything anymore.
At least civil servants&co will thereafter be decimated and in the poorhouse again, for a generation.
See Germany 1945-1975.

375335 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Steve Hayes, #1438 of 1818 🔗

It’s a fucking disgrace 🤬 🤬 🤬

374929 franknhonest, replying to franknhonest, 9, #1439 of 1818 🔗

Winter seasonal bump in Sweden is over. Publicize far and wide!
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

374974 ▶▶ Liam, replying to franknhonest, 7, #1440 of 1818 🔗

The figure of 11,000 Rona deaths in Sweden is complete bollocks. All cause mortality for the year is about 5,000 up on what you’d expect and most of that was in April.

375048 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Liam, 2, #1441 of 1818 🔗

Correct. And that was and is mainly due to the ‘dry tinder’ due to below average Mortality in the years before.

375108 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to JayBee, 2, #1442 of 1818 🔗

And largely caused by the same ‘policy decision’ we had here, to remove elderly patients from hospitals back to care homes to free up beds for the anticipated ‘surge’ of community infected patients that never arrived. Excess deaths were caused almost entirely by this boneheaded decision. The difference is that Sweden at least admitted their error and didn’t destroy everything in a bid to hide it.

375172 ▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Chris Hume, #1443 of 1818 🔗

Here in the SNPeoples’ Republic hospital patients who had tested positive for Covid were discharged to care homes anyway, along with several thousand who simply weren’t tested. Bizarrely, the media still present the Dear Leader as having handled the pandemic better than Boris…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54719827

375045 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to franknhonest, 5, #1444 of 1818 🔗

The Swedish second wave is just as large as the German one, and far smaller than the British, let alone Austrian or Czech ones.
Lockdowns, masks and all other NPIs make zero difference.
As it, Ioannidis and the comparison between North Dakota and South Dakota also prove.
Not even canceling mass events makes a difference, as Belarus and Sturgis proved.

375113 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to JayBee, 1, #1445 of 1818 🔗

Correct. Early on I was surprised that there was no signal at all from the Cheltenham festival. 250,000 people descending on a town of about 80,000 for a week or so. Pubs, restaurants, hotels full, cabs ferrying people everywhere. No masks, no SD, nothing. At the point where the whole thing was taking off. That is when I started to realise that what they were telling us was utter bollocks.

375334 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Chris Hume, #1446 of 1818 🔗

Yes & a Stereophonics concert , friend of mine went to Cheltenham with 70 others in a coach ! I kept asking him in the months that followed but all was quiet !?

374937 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 10, #1447 of 1818 🔗

This is long but a good comprehensive summary of the scamdemic :-

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2020-worldwide-corona-crisis-destroying-civil-society-engineered-economic-depression-global-coup-detat-and-the-great-reset/5730652

There seems to be a load of new converts to the cause here recently, so for those needing revision/catch-up material please see the link. BTY good info/articles at globalresearch.ca on many relevant subjects.

374957 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1448 of 1818 🔗

Excellent resource! Good for existing sceptics too :o))

375042 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1449 of 1818 🔗

There’s a good one at off guardian today, blaming mainly the FED for the plandemic and some good comments extending that.
Basically, the financial system was very close to collapsing last year, and that’s why they are taking the plandemic, MMT route everywhere now.

374944 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #1450 of 1818 🔗

Ivor Cummings tweeted the Spanish mortality figures for 2020. Guess how deadly it was?

https://twitter.com/eme_o_hache/status/1353021093104275457

375023 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1451 of 1818 🔗

That’s quite something if it’s for the full year, and makes the uk figures really stick out by comparison. Has anybody seen full year figures for Norway/Finland/Denmark? Had a look but couldn’t find anything. I’d be interested to compare with Sweden given how frequently people compare their covid numbers to their neighbours. Ultimately it doesn’t matter much how you label it if overall numbers are nothing special.

374954 Ewan Duffy, 27, #1452 of 1818 🔗

Just been to my local Tesco (Dublin) and they have a big sign inside the door mandating facemasks with a small asterix beside this and in very small writing at the foot of the sign, noting that exemptions apply.

Thankfully I wasn’t challenged as I strode around the store maskless.

374955 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 22, #1453 of 1818 🔗

Our usual Saturday night routine is radio BBC 6 music Gilles Peterson and then Craig Charles funk and soul show, nice bit of dinner (fajitas tonight, my eyes are bigger than my belly and I’m about ready to explode or fall asleep) few beers and a bottle of wine or 2.

Anyhoo, unfortunately the news comes on and I have the misfortune of hearing some of it as there is only so much washing up to do and it’s no wonder the sheople are scared stupid, absolute shit.

How whoever reads the script can call themselves a journalist, disgrace, they need to be arrested under the trades description act.

374965 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to stefarm, 7, #1454 of 1818 🔗

I used to like Craig Charles/Trevor Nelson until all this BLM/Marxist bullshit came along…didnt have a problem with them at all…but I feel ‘tainted’ now….him and Gambaccini/Tarbuck etc…I just dont seem to ‘like’ them anymore?….and they got rid of Colin Young’s Trunk of Funk on a friday night in the Midlands which was fantastic……feel like I have moved to another country to be honest………….

374989 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #1455 of 1818 🔗

Just mention of the BBC makes me feel violated

375012 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1456 of 1818 🔗

Yes. I’m finally cancelling my tv licence this evening.

375020 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1457 of 1818 🔗

take the survey too and let them know what you think

375126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to iansn, 1, #1458 of 1818 🔗

Already have, iansn.

375024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1459 of 1818 🔗

Five years ‘clean’ here. You won’t regret it. Most of the good old stuff from the BBC is available free on Youtube anyway.

375127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1460 of 1818 🔗

I can’t fund their propaganda any longer.

375247 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nymeria, #1461 of 1818 🔗

Yay!!!!!

375169 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1462 of 1818 🔗

Used to have 6music on a lot but somehow it changed. All the shows started seeming oddly the same and clearly a diversity filter was imposed so that the proportions of men and women and white and ethnic minorities had to be some precise proportion within each show, no doubt offices full of people counting. It just started to lose its shine. DJs all started to get a bit cardboard stereotyped or even slightly stilted in what were saying. Slowly stopped bothering.

375199 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #1463 of 1818 🔗

same on Radio 3

375327 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1464 of 1818 🔗

Me too , don’t have my van radio on now , even Steve Wright towing the line , regularly took the piss out of Trump !

374988 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 1, #1465 of 1818 🔗

His trunk of punk was top banana on Christmas Eve

374967 Biker, replying to Biker, 57, #1466 of 1818 🔗

Alright peasants i trust everyone is doing just fucking dandy, i know i am. Sure my old dear is dying in front of my eyes, some cunt stole one of my bikes and my son announced he thinks he might want to be a policeman but apart from that i can breathe and inhale smoke, i can still open a can of beer and i still haven’t had the killer virus. I’ve been avoiding all the bollocks and am just assuming now that the world wide military fuckers have got rid of Trump in the most corrupt election this side of the kind favoured by despots and chinky dictators things will go back to normal. We’ll all be back in our tents and caravans partying like a school fucking disco before you know it. I cannie fucking wait. Who knew all it would take would a fucking old pedophile fuck like Joe Biden to sniff some kids and drop some bombs on the sand niggers to make the world feel right again. Ally fucking ach baa baby, whatever gets you thru the night. I’m considering taking the vaccine but only if they dry that fucker out and chop it into a few lines. I’m sure i’ll have some more pish to say and i’ll say it with all the style and grace you cunts can only dream of. Oh and cheer up for fucks sake. Ignore the restrictions, break the fucking law and Old Boris can stick his tiny prick right up a horses ass for all i care about him and his ilk.

374976 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Biker, 13, #1467 of 1818 🔗

Very eloquently said, Biker! All dandy here, ignored restrictions today and had family over. Felt normal for the first time in a while, bloody brilliant!

375002 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 9, #1468 of 1818 🔗

Classic Biker! Welcome back, have missed ye.

375010 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Biker, 5, #1469 of 1818 🔗

Quite. Sorry to hear you had one of your bikes nicked x

375040 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 3, #1470 of 1818 🔗

Good to hear from you again, keep up the good fight.

375094 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 3, #1471 of 1818 🔗

No horse rape by request.

375152 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Biker, 3, #1472 of 1818 🔗

Cheers mate.

The only bloke on here with any balls

Will buy you a pint or 9 one day

374971 Cheezilla, 5, #1473 of 1818 🔗

Here’s a hero.
Israeli lawyer, Tamir Turgal : https://youtu.be/T7wUmKjnih4?t=1378
Passion, courage and integrity. Beautiful message.

374973 Julian, 12, #1474 of 1818 🔗

Excellently written, hard-hitting summary of what’s happened in the last year and the likely future, from Jon Dobinson, one of the main people on the “Time for recovery” campaign. As they like to write above the line, worth reading in full, and a great precis to send anyone who you think may turn to scepticism:

https://www.thinkscotland.org/thinkbusiness/articles.html?read_full=14413

Take Junction 3 off the road to Hell? That’s the choice ahead on lockdowns

374978 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #1475 of 1818 🔗

In news which will surprise no-one, the Staatsanwaltschaft (public prosecutor’s office) in Erfurt has begun proceedings to try and overturn the Weimar decision. Still, at least the verdict has ruffled a few feathers, and is being reported in the MSM in Germany:

https://www.focus.de/politik/thueringer-urteil-bringt-regierung-in-erklaerungsnot-corona-hammer-gericht-nennt-lockdown-eine-katastrophale-politische-fehlentscheidung_id_12899284.html

375001 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #1476 of 1818 🔗

What’s the German for they don’t like it up them?

375015 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1477 of 1818 🔗

Merkel
Muss
Weg

Or similar.
My german is a gift that keeps on giving.

375078 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #1478 of 1818 🔗

The language used in this news magazine is shocking.

The article is actually just stating facts, so ok.
I guess that the issue even came to court is a success already. Essentially it is about a fine of Euro200, so most state prosecutors would not have bothered? Now they have to carry all the costs.
This surely backfired for the state!
It will be interesting to see what happens.

374979 Liam, 4, #1479 of 1818 🔗

Finally managed to log back in on my phone!

374990 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1480 of 1818 🔗

Biden Invites China Into US Energy Sector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDqFGPPmnk
Mahyar Tousi

375031 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1481 of 1818 🔗

He cancelled Trump’s order banning Chinese companies from doing business with the utilities that maintain the US power grid.

Obvious prep for dropping the US grid later this year.

374992 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1482 of 1818 🔗

Joe Biden Takes the Throne – Trump Is Finished!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvBnU0Ed8A&list=WL&index=33

AwakenWithJP
1.68M subscribers

374997 The Covid Kid, 9, #1483 of 1818 🔗

Can I suggest ‘Live and Let Die’ by Wings as a theme tune please?