2021-01-24

Sourcehttps://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/24/latest-news-264/
Published2021-01-24T05:18:55
Last updated2021-01-24T15:35:26
Scraped2021-01-25T08:28:43
Articles21
Comments1,848
Users285

Articles

Comments

375445 bellapie, replying to bellapie, 12, #1 of 1848 🔗

Good morning

376042 ▶▶ PWL, replying to bellapie, 13, #2 of 1848 🔗

Coronahoax.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

“Figure 19 is the most interesting graph of all because it shows that ICU admissions for patients with pneumonia leading from flu bumping along all year after April at, or just above, zero. This condition, it would seem, has gone the same way as polio, but more so, and is apparently a thing of the past.”

376351 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to PWL, 4, #3 of 1848 🔗

Well known phenomenon, covered in The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza by R Edgar Hope- Simpson, published almost 40 years ago.

377105 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #4 of 1848 🔗

Thankyou for that. Fascinating how mysterious flu remains. My search led me to the following update/review of his study. There’s a great bit about early research into transmissibilty research methods; different times!
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-5-29

377243 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #5 of 1848 🔗

Yes, one suspects a lot of his research wouldn’t be allowed or would be dismissed as ” not reliable” or ” not peer reviewed” in these establishment conformity days.

375446 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #6 of 1848 🔗

Morning All, read the DM and now to read the real news.
Back on the podium methinks!!

375447 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 59, #7 of 1848 🔗

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – please forward to all local businesses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://t.me/thegreatreopening

30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

375628 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #8 of 1848 🔗

Here is the link and you can print the flyers. Please spread the link far and wide

https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/

375448 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 32, #9 of 1848 🔗

First They Came For The Conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOXQZPu8S1U&list=WL&index=28

FACEBOOK shuts down Socialist Workers Party in Britain
Tony Heller
98.5K subscribers

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”
– Winston Churchill

375449 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #10 of 1848 🔗

Joe Biden Takes the Throne – Trump Is Finished!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvBnU0Ed8A&list=WL&index=33

AwakenWithJP
1.68M subscribers

375497 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #11 of 1848 🔗

(THIS IS A PARODY BY THE WAY)

Joe Biden Takes the Throne – Trump Is Finished!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvBnU0Ed8A&list=WL&index=33
AwakenWithJP
1.68M subscribers

376186 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #12 of 1848 🔗

JP nails it again!

376501 ▶▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #13 of 1848 🔗

Ah, Winnie, who ordered the RAF to bomb the Kurds with CW to ‘teach them a lesson’.

375450 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #14 of 1848 🔗

Biden Invites China Into US Energy Sector
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDqFGPPmnk
Mahyar Tousi

375655 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #15 of 1848 🔗

Styx doesn’t call him, ‘Beijing Biden’ for NO reason…

375910 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #16 of 1848 🔗

I thought it was China Joe

377013 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to redbirdpete, #17 of 1848 🔗

He has his finger in many pies. Ukraine 2014, he was at the head of table at the Government meetings. The nominal head of the government (Petro Poroshenko) is taking back seat on the right.

comment image

Biden once joked “I talk to Poroshenko more than my own wife”

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/biden-i-talk-to-poroshenko-more-than.html

375451 Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #18 of 1848 🔗

Ivor Cummins
@FatEmperor

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1353032963156561923
Okay it’s retweet time guys, please share to make ourselves known out there. The British doctor’s outfit behiond this have finished their website
– NOTE the questions to ascertain if you support this
– very clear criteria indeed https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f928.svg

https://smiles-matter.org #SciencePride2021

375452 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #19 of 1848 🔗
375453 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #20 of 1848 🔗

Google is ‘holding a gun to our head’ by threatening the removal of the search engine

Sky News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6CClY4Tt8

375873 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #21 of 1848 🔗

Go ahead and shoot, the bullet is harmless.

This is not to say that I support the Australian government’s proposed law – I need to know more about the details of that. However if the law as proposed is sound, I don’t think Google’s threat should be a showstopper.

376118 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #22 of 1848 🔗

Use DuckDuckGo.

375454 Lockdown Sceptic, 15, #23 of 1848 🔗

Fake news about Covid-19 – History Debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INAF45WpVzU
The British government has been rebuked by the Advertising Standards Authority for spreading fake news about the Covid epidemic.

375455 Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #24 of 1848 🔗

Do you want to defeat Johnson & Hancock? Here’s how, in 70 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mGaBvT0JA&list=WL&index=36

375456 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 92, #25 of 1848 🔗

Following my translation of the story about the Weimar judge the other day, I thought I would continue to do what I can to bring stories across linguistic frontiers, without the censoring intervention of the “authoritative” MSM editor or hack journalist. Today, I offer a story from Sweden about the use of masks in schools.

First of all, there is no public health advice in Sweden about the use of masks in workplaces. Asked about this yesterday, Anders Tegnell of Folkhälsomyndigheten [Swedish Public Health Authority] said,

”Varje verksamhet måste göra riskbedömningar på egen hand. Vi kan ju inte bedöma hur den är gjord eller på vilka grunder.”

”Every workplace must make its own risk assessments. We certainly cannot assess how this is done [in each case] or for what reasons.”

Now, here’s what happened the other day in a school in Halmstad, in southwestern Sweden. It seems to be the precise opposite to what might happen in the UK, where an overzealous school administrator might tell a teacher “Put on your mask!” Here, someone has told a teacher “Take off your mask!”

Cue media shit show. “Halmstad council bans masks in schools!!!!!” Here’s how Sveriges Radio headlines the story.

* Halmstad kommun förbjuder smittskyddsutrustning i sina skolor.
* En lärare i Halmstad blev tillsagd att ta av sig munskyddet: “Jag blev besviken, ledsen och arg. Jag tillhör riskgrupp och känner mig säkrare med munskydd”.
* Pauline Broholm Lindberg, förvaltningschef i barn- och ungdomsförvaltningen i Halmstad: “Det finns stora risker med munskydd som hanteras fel”.

* Halmstad district bans PPE in its schools.
* Told to remove his mask, a teacher in Halmstad said: “I was disappointed, sad and angry. I belong to the at-risk group and feel safer in a mask”.
* Pauline Broholm Lindberg, chief executive of the children’s and young people’s department in Halmstad: “Masks worn incorrectly are a major risk.”

Faced with a media-generated torrent of emotionalised crap, the council on Saturday clarified its position. But its explanation reads interestingly, in my opinion, from a UK standpoint. Firstly, there is no suggestion that schools should not be open and operating normally. Secondly, the boot is well and truly on the other foot. In Britain, if schools were ever actually open, a teacher with an exemption from wearing a mask would surely face constant challenge, suspicion and parental complaints. In Halmstad, the clear implication of the council’s statement is, “If you’re enough of a nutcase to think you need to wear a mask, you’re welcome to make a fool of yourself, but don’t be unhygienic about your disgusting habit because it’ll be your fault if you make someone else ill.”

Here’s the council’s statement:

Halmstad District Council has no ban against masks in schools

Following Saturday’s debate, it has been agreed that council employees who are worried may wear their own masks, even though there are currently no recommendations regarding the use of masks in schools.

“Just like many other councils, we have been working on this issue for many weeks. There is a lack of clarity that is causing disquiet. Our former position was based on our following the recommendations of Folkhälsomyndigheten, but following internal consultation within the council, we have decided to permit people’s use of their own protective equipment,” says Pauline Broholm Lindberg, chief executive of the children’s and young people’s department.

Not recommended for schools

For staff who feel uneasy because of the pandemic, the same applies as before: neither Folkhälsomyndigheten nor epidemiologists recommend using protective equipment in schools. Nor is there anything to prohibit it.

“If an individual employee wishes to use their own face mask, it is important that they do so correctly and act to ensure that they do not infect anyone else,” says council director Mattias Rossköld.

At workplaces where there are clear recommendations on protective equipment during the pandemic, the employer provides approved equipment.

375460 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 50, #26 of 1848 🔗

This is a brilliant job, NN. So grateful to you for doing it. But you ought to have a regular spot above the line, so the stuff doesn’t drown in the usual torrent of comments.

375485 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 38, #27 of 1848 🔗

Oh I second that! Let NN have a regular “small victories from around the world” piece above the line! That would cheer me up no end…

375850 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 22, #28 of 1848 🔗

Thank you.

I’ve spent this afternoon translating an absolute barnstormer of a blog post by a Swiss doctor. I will submit it to Toby rather than just posting it here.

375539 ▶▶ Marg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 18, #29 of 1848 🔗

Thank you for your contributions, they help to confirm that I am not as mad as the gov and press seem to portray anyone with an alternative viewpoint.

375951 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #30 of 1848 🔗

The correct way of putting on a mask requires disinfecting your hands 3x per each masking and unmasking process.
Plus no use of a mask pulled out of one’s pocket or handbag, of course, which is the regular course of action for 99% of the masking.
Plus an immediate exchange of the Mask (see above 3x etc.) once it had become moist, which is basically immediately after having spoken something. So, a teacher wearing a mask simply cannot adhere to that criteria, of course, unless he is numb.
This folly and the resulting conclusion and advise that community mask wearing cannot be done properly, is therefore unhealthy and should not be done at all has been well studied and reasoned by e.g. the 3 German Professors Kappstein, Ewig and Veith individually and from different angles.
The Norwegian NIPH study made similar observations and reservations.
Obviously, they have all been ignored, diffamated and censored as community masking is not at all about health, but solely about obedience, and that even at the expense of health.

376805 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to JayBee, #31 of 1848 🔗

Nail on head!

375458 miahoneybee, replying to miahoneybee, 29, #32 of 1848 🔗

Morning. Just like the stupid man of p plumbers this turd should be named and shamed as well. Note the use of the elderly lady.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-concerns-grow-over-number-of-carers-turning-down-vaccine-12195852
Good for them 😊

375463 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to miahoneybee, 54, #33 of 1848 🔗

“The government should do more to counter the amount of disinformation”

Quite agree. They should immediately stop all their press conferences and daily briefings to the press and get on with doing what they should be doing.

375550 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #34 of 1848 🔗

Interesting shift from sky using disinformation… mostly media outlets have been content calling misinformation. Disinformation would be coming from a place of deliberate malice.

376189 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #35 of 1848 🔗

They didn’t finish the sentence…”coming out of their own mouths!”

375464 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to miahoneybee, 23, #36 of 1848 🔗

The threat to care home staff does ring a bit hollow, I expect many of them take the line of, if you are paid very little you have very little to lose. I understand there is a huge shortage of care home staff and so I would have thought they are in a strong position.

Interestingly the news clip talks about vaccine misinformation and yet the misinformation would seem to be the issue with the vaccine promoters. Am I correct in thinking that the vaccine protects from serious covid effects but does not prevent primary upper respiratory infections? That is to say you all still get the covid cold but the cold no longer goes on to kill the vulnerable. In which case are the younger care staff not being entirely logical? I struggle to see any case for this vaccine other than with vulnerable people?

375589 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to miahoneybee, 19, #37 of 1848 🔗

Saying that people who won’t have the vaccine are selfish rather implies that those who have had it are not actually protected by it.

376228 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to HelzBelz, 22, #38 of 1848 🔗

I had someone tell me that the other day, that I was selfish and should think of others. I gave them both barrels, really large barrels. They were shocked and left speechless. Can’t be bothered with them anymore.

376296 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #39 of 1848 🔗

Very very good for you!

375665 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to miahoneybee, 21, #40 of 1848 🔗

Many of those carers will be women of child-bearing age, who are advised against having the vaccine because of unknown side effects. Pfizer specifically advises pregnant and breastfeeding women not to have it, and pregnancy should be excluded before having it.
“Animal reproductive studies have not been completed.”
People on anticoagulation treatment should not receive the Pfizer vaccine.

Basically, they’ve rushed the vaccine out, using a novel vaccine that’s never been used in human populations before.
People are wise to be cautious.

As someone said last night, there’s a one-word answer to being bullied into having the vaccine: Thalidomide.

375673 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to miahoneybee, 10, #41 of 1848 🔗

My wife works in admin at our local NHS hospital. She was contacted by a friend at the hospital on Friday, who pleaded with her to go to the hospital (it was her day off) and get a (Pfizer) Covid jab. It seems that the various clinical staff who had been assumed to be at the front of the queue had all found pressing reasons for not making themselves available, and there was a danger that the precious vaccine might be wasted. My wife was more than happy to have the jab and has encountered no significant side-effects, but it’s obvious that the professionals don’t seem to share her enthusiasm!

376667 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Sceptical Steve, 4, #42 of 1848 🔗

I certainly don’t share anyone’s enthusiasm to be an unpaid guinea pig for this rushed out vaccine. Out if interest was your wife given any opportunity to ask questions about the vaccine and was she asked about any previous health conditions/allergies etc.

376112 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to miahoneybee, -6, #43 of 1848 🔗

Yeah, this is the very gnarly interface between personal liberty, customer demand, corporate pressure and government force.

A good friend of mine desperately needs to get her 93 year old mother into a care home – what do you think her attitude is towards care home staff who refuse the vaccine? Do you think she’s going to choose the care home where staff have free choice, or the one where by hook or by crook, all staff are certified vaccinated.

Her case is very difficult to refute without being particularly cold hearted. Accordingly, the care home provider’s business case for requiring all their staff to have the vaccine is very strong.

Of course I can make the case for personal liberty, but it will fall on deaf ears, and I admit some grudging sympathy for her position, and that of the care home providers.

376151 ▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to AidanR, 5, #44 of 1848 🔗

What about the resident and many residents in care homes that have refused it. Does the same not apply to the care staff ?do they not have the same right?

376162 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to miahoneybee, -5, #45 of 1848 🔗

Well yes they do but, unfortunately, there are conflicting rights in play here, so ultimately they may have to exercise that right by withdrawing their labour and dealing with all the consequences that flow from that.

376263 ▶▶▶▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to AidanR, 8, #46 of 1848 🔗

And yet there were many care homes that had no ppe and no mask wearing at the start of this with no fatalities?no covid in the building ( until the dodgy pcr tests started) . It depends on your perspective and what you believe to be the truth. In my opinion no jab no job is wrong irrespective of your profession.

376720 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to AidanR, 1, #47 of 1848 🔗

It’s becoming clear to me that downvotes here mark a refusal to accept a particular reality.

I get downvotes whenever I state plain but uncomfortable fact.

376312 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to AidanR, 23, #48 of 1848 🔗

Why would your friend prefer vaccinated staff when vaccination does not prevent transmission of the virus? Why is it that people can’t seem to understand that?

376711 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cotton Wool, #49 of 1848 🔗

As far as she’s concerned it’s Pascal’s Wager.

376705 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to AidanR, 1, #50 of 1848 🔗

Not sure why I’ve been downvoted for this.

It’s a very real dilemma that people are facing, and I’m merely illustrating how ones priorities may depend on ones circumstances.

375459 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 44, #51 of 1848 🔗

It is quite clear there is NO plan and NO intention of ending lockdowns and restrictions! Not in 2021, not ever!

375461 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheClone, 17, #52 of 1848 🔗

No economic activity, no tax revenue, no NHS to protect, now what’s their excuse?

375495 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to TheClone, 11, #53 of 1848 🔗
375702 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 9, #54 of 1848 🔗

“Mark Harper, the chairman of the Coronavirus Recovery Group of Tory MPs which is campaigning against unnecessary restrictions, said: “The extension of councils’ Covid powers until July will be of great concern to those worried about their jobs and businesses.

“Given the limited time allowed for debate this change in the law was little noticed.

“Once the top four risk groups have been vaccinated and fully protected by March 8, assuming the Government hits the February 15 deadline, the Government must start easing the restrictions.

“Vaccinations will of course bring immunity from Covid, but they must bring immunity from lockdowns and restrictions too.” “

375712 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 18, #55 of 1848 🔗

And : “Mr Hancock said last week that for restrictions to be eased, deaths and hospital numbers had to be coming down, while the vaccine programme has to work, and there has to be no new threat from a new variant of Covid-19.”

As there will always be a threat from a new variant, that’s a “never” to the question of when restrictions will ease.

375509 ▶▶ Will, replying to TheClone, 21, #56 of 1848 🔗

I think Sweden might be riding to the rescue in that regard. If the virus continues to disappear in Sweden while continuing to rise in the rest of Europe then push will come to shove. By the middle of February we will know whether Sweden has achieved herd immunity.

376055 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Will, 9, #57 of 1848 🔗

The UK Government will just invent something else. Very little about Covid-19 is real.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

375698 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to TheClone, 12, #58 of 1848 🔗

By the time they decide to open up the economy, there’ll be nothing left to open.
And not enough private businesses and employees to pay for the NHS or anything else in the public sector.

376070 ▶▶ PWL, replying to TheClone, 10, #59 of 1848 🔗

Keeping you (the readership here) from this realisation for so long is the controlled opposition media that teaches passivity. Engagement remains about receiving information, and in fact being familiarised. Some of you even reward this with coin.

Like some of said a long time ago, it don’t end until you make it. You’ll come over to our way of thinking. You’ll have to.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

376132 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheClone, 6, #60 of 1848 🔗

That has been clear since the day Hancock laid down his legislation that would last for an initial 2 years.

Nothing will change until they start thinking about re-election.

376247 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheClone, 7, #61 of 1848 🔗

I agree with you inasmuch as there is no PLAN because they are making these decisions off the top of their heads when it suits them to do so. I understand the REACT study used in the Presser on Friday was given to Johnson 2 hours before the Conference. Massive game playing by SAGE (all Imperial College of course). That it misses out an entire month seems to have passed them by. The Zoe App shows far difference but more accurate information. If Lockdown and restrictions remain in place for months more then what we will have is a bankrupt nation, literally. We are close to being that already.

So, I won’t call it the Government rather Johnson and his cabal of pathological liars, power crazed and narcissists will have some serious decisions to make. Either they pursue their own agenda of Power, Greed and Money and tank the British economy wholesale whilst the rest of the world is getting back to normal or, they lift Lockdowns and restrictions in March, get the economy moving, prevent massive unemployment and start to repair the economic structure. Well, given they couldn’t hold a thought for more than 5 minutes and have zero capability of critical analysis, long term strategic planning and the fact that they would have to relinquish the power they have grabbed and have become addicted to I would hazard a well educated guess that, unless the Tory Backbenchers revolt en masse and the Labour Party backbenchers do the same, Johnson will opt for the power, greed and money option and say F U to the British economy and the British people.

Hey ho. Emmigrating to China appears to be a very viable and positive option at this stage!

375462 Annie, replying to Annie, 11, #62 of 1848 🔗

Slightly off-topic, but considering the above woke nonsense about ‘native’ Americans being the only folk entitled to live there.
They are no more indigenous than anybody else. They’ve just been there longer, though how long is disputed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53486868

It’s pretty certain that the advent of the first human migrants had a catastrophic impact on the existing fauna, leading to the extinction of most huntable species. The earliest settlers were the biggest environmental wreckers.

Same is true of Australasia, where human intrusion began far more recently.

375467 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 19, #63 of 1848 🔗

I remember visiting a, as I grew up to know them, red indian (AKA first nation) site in southern Alberta and the talk was of the very spiritual meaningful ways of the first nation people. I then looked up how come that particular tribe lived in that place and it was because they had devastated, slaughtered and pretty much annihilated the previous tribe that lived in that area!

375468 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 6, #64 of 1848 🔗

They invaded from Siberia at some point, I think, didn’t they? So nobody has the right to live on American soil at all.

375499 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #65 of 1848 🔗

Who did the native Americans invade?

375631 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #66 of 1848 🔗

bad use of the word “invade”. he means that the predecessors of what you would call native americans migrated from siberia using the land bridge (caused by an ice age) to occupy an otherwise unoccupied land .

375642 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #67 of 1848 🔗

It’s more a long migration. If you have warlike tribes on the edge of China in central Asia chasing you arse you might well move on. There was a drift West to Europe since forever but ‘recently’ accelerated and also a move across the bridge between Alaska and Siberia that populated all the way to Cape Horn. Successive waves of more aggressive migrants subjugated or forced on the earlier ones. Eventually the Eastern and Western moves met. No plots. No colonising, no invading just people doing what people do, trading, fighting, moving on to better places with bad stuff behind. No goodies and baddies. Blaming Europeans for age old population dynamics out of Africa and then generated at China’s frontier with the barbarian is just ignorant wokery. Human sacrifice, cannibalism and atrocity were clearly common in pre-Columbian America so one need not accept lectures on that front. The natives of the NE enthusiastically took up European advances and mingled. Why wouldn’t they. Evil colonisers and innocent peace loving aboriginals is an idiotic view.

375716 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 2, #68 of 1848 🔗

I understood that humans first reached the Australian continent 50,000 years ago.
Then started to wipe out all the mega-fauna there.

376370 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to LMS2, 1, #69 of 1848 🔗

Where is the Capt. Beefheart poster when you need him? to point to ‘The Human Gets Me Blues ?

375465 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 116, #70 of 1848 🔗

The Damm Van Tam man: “Even if you’ve been vaccinated, you can still spread the virus !!!
SO WHAT’S BEEN THE F×CKING POINT OF IT ALL, THEN?

375470 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip, 79, #71 of 1848 🔗

I would be grateful if someone can correct me if I have not understood or am over simplifying things. It is my understanding that the vaccine protects you from the effects of serious covid.
So that even if you are vaccinated you can still pick up and pass on the ‘SARS-Cov2 cold virus in your upper respiratory tract but if the vaccine works you will not get seriously ill or die. Consequently the vaccine is only of any use to people who are vulnerable to serious covid and is a waste of time and money for everybody else.
Is my understanding correct?

375474 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #72 of 1848 🔗

Apart from the extremely vulnerable groups who are at risk from Covid as well as the vaccine

375479 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Martindale, 47, #73 of 1848 🔗

That seems eminently logical. Once they have vaccinated everyone who is in a vulnerable group and wishes to be protected against severe symptoms, you’d think all restrictions could be lifted and normal life could resume.

375493 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 12, #74 of 1848 🔗

I think that the collaborators and sheep and the rest of us can DREAM ON,BABY.
With apologies to Austin Powers.

375515 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 33, #75 of 1848 🔗

When they don’t can we all agree that this is a conspiracy.

375488 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #76 of 1848 🔗

ON THE NAIL, Steve, but then, I’m not an expert (THANK GOD).

375510 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #77 of 1848 🔗

Unless it is proved to stop transmission you are correct. We were told Porton Down would be reporting in a week on the transmission issue… three weeks ago so it doesn’t look good.

375588 ▶▶▶▶ dan72, replying to Will, 16, #78 of 1848 🔗

If it stops you getting ill (as claimed) then I suspect you cannot pass it on. We all know there is precious little evidence of asymptomatic transmission anyway. However, how do you maintain compliance with the rules once you give someone this immunity? You have to lie about it’s effectiveness.

376649 ▶▶▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to dan72, #79 of 1848 🔗

Should reduce you getting serious symptoms requiring hospitalisation/death but of course it’s not 100% effective so sadly a few people will still be struck down.

But you can still get infected, i.e. the virus is inside you trying to replicate but the vaccine has primed your body to fight it.

It there seems sensible to me that if you’re not generating vast amounts of virus, that you’ll not be as infectious but still could infect that small percentage for whom the vaccine isn’t effective. This is an identical situation to asymptomatic carries at the moment. Yes, you’re infectious but I read conflicting reports of how infectious from not very through some to very.

Although we’re playing the laws of diminishing returns here…

375600 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Will, 17, #80 of 1848 🔗

If the result was scary we would have heard. The delay can only be because the answer doesn’t fit the narrative.

375857 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #81 of 1848 🔗

Steve, can I refer you to an article in Forbes by William A. Haseltine, a former  professor at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health who did a vaccine analysis. It was published Sept 23 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=553110645247 .

I have extracted three pertinent paragraphs, the emphasis is mine.

Prevention of infection must be a critical endpoint. Any vaccine trial should include regular antigen testing every three days to test contagiousness to pick up early signs of infection and PCR testing once a week to confirm infection by SARS-CoV-2 test the ability of the vaccines to stave off infection. Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines. In fact, their endpoints all require confirmed infections and all those they will include in the analysis for success, the only difference being the severity of symptoms between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Measuring differences amongst only those infected by SARS-CoV-2 underscores the implicit conclusion that the vaccines are not expected to prevent infection, only modify symptoms of those infected.
The greatest fear people have is dying from this disease. A vaccine must significantly or entirely reduce deaths from Covid-19. Over two hundred thousand people have died in the United States and nearly a million worldwide. None list mortality as a critical endpoint .
We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.

376322 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #82 of 1848 🔗

This much has been clear from the beginning although doesn’t seem to have got through to most people!

375473 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #83 of 1848 🔗

Exactly

375636 ▶▶ alw, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #84 of 1848 🔗

Jonathan Damnation

376142 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to alw, 2, #85 of 1848 🔗

LIKE IT!!!

375727 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #86 of 1848 🔗

Money.

Pure and simple.

It’s been about collusion between drug companies, corrupt scientists and politicians to scare everyone into a position where the population has to have a vaccine, preferably once or twice a year, thereby transferring a lot, lot, lot of money from taxpayers to a few deeply corrupt beneficiaries.

And this scam is not new:

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/european-parliament-to-investigate-who-pandemic-scandal.html

“European Parliament to Investigate WHO and “Pandemic” Scandal
by F. William Engdahl
The Council of Europe member states will launch an inquiry in January 2010 on the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on the global swine flu campaign, focusing especially on extent of the pharma’s industry’s influence on WHO. The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry.
The step is a long-overdue move to public transparency of a “Golden Triangle” of drug corruption between WHO, the pharma industry and academic scientists that has permanently damaged the lives of millions and even caused death.”

375747 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #87 of 1848 🔗

And it adds to the Asymptomatic transmission theory where people who exhibit no symptoms can spread the virus. Which scientifically, in theory, is possible; but mathematically so low as to not even register as a mild concern.

376615 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Alan P, 5, #88 of 1848 🔗

Yes I suspect that the vaccine DOES give you immunity but they don’t want to admit that because they’ll have to admit that asymptomatic transmission is complete bs and made up by China, and that there is such a thing as natural immunity too.

375466 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 15, #89 of 1848 🔗

Klaus Schwab is NOT our friend.

‘recovery’ does not mean to how it was. Inflation and redistribution will be central to their plan.

Please remember that a UK-wide pay cap exists since this began. That’s not a good thing.

376074 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TheBigman, 5, #90 of 1848 🔗

if it’s of any use to anyone, Schwab according to the fine old dictionary by Jacob Grimm (one of the brothers and a pioneering German philologist and lexicographer), apart from meaning “Swabian”, also had an onomatopoeic meaning evoking the slap of flesh on water. So his name arguably means “Klaus Bellyflop” or “Klaus Splat”. I don’t suppose it is of any use. But call it your Sunday afternoon factoid for highly specialised social contexts.

375469 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 11, #91 of 1848 🔗

Hair smelling Joe has to “occupy” DC to get the message across with 25,000 reluctant national guard our fat globalist clown will have to get more troops than that on the ground when the slug hosts his forthcoming Cornwall shindig. Imagine the damage that could be done at that event if the right people got through.

375580 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nickbowes, 2, #92 of 1848 🔗

You don’t need to get through to cause the damage!

375732 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 3, #93 of 1848 🔗

Shame that it’s in Cornwall, and not Davos.

Wouldn’t want to see that village in Cornwall nuked into oblivion….

376051 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nickbowes, 6, #94 of 1848 🔗

What will they do with the actual people of Cornwall, while they are treating all the G7ers to the Rick Stein theme park version? Why, lock them down, of course! Mebyon Kernow, your choice is plain: lock down or be locked up.

376061 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to nickbowes, 3, #95 of 1848 🔗

National Guard in Washington DC supposedly filmed from Biden’s motorcade:

https://twitter.com/InesdLC/status/1351915427589455872

Spot the guy spitting as well did you as the car went past?

375471 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #96 of 1848 🔗

If we do not stop this now, we will soon all be criminals. All of us. People like this will not stop until they have made dissent a crime. It is unconscionable that a journalist be allowed to publish these words. The Guardian is one of the most powerful newspapers in the world because it has no pay wall… it is supposed to be the bastion of democracy. I know many of you hate it because of its position on Brexit. I was one of those people who pushed for a second referendum, not because I simply disagreed with the result but because, once more evidence came to light I wanted people to have a chance to confirm their vote or change their minds. I am a passionate liberal, and I believe in democracy. And democracy says, when the facts change, when there is more evidence to consider, I am allowed to change my mind. I had changed my mind on how I feel about our membership of the EU a couple of times in my life. But now, The Guardian has become a mouthpiece for populist authoritarians who wish to deny us our human rights. We must all write to the Guardian and demand an apology. And report Nick Cohen to human rights watch… if you believe in human rights.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/23/gary-matthews-duped-by-lying-anti-vaxxers-his-death-is-at-their-door

375492 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #97 of 1848 🔗

Should we re-run, never implementing, every democratic decision because someone has changed their mind?

375504 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #98 of 1848 🔗

No. That’s an extreme exaggeration of what I said. And not the point of my urgent call out of a mainstream journalist inciting hatred towards people who question the current government propaganda.

375500 ▶▶ danny, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #99 of 1848 🔗

Would use this article in a GCSE media studies lesson on the use of hyperbole and propaganda. “Enlightened” “Covid kingpin” jump out as the words. Plus you can see that middle class, London based journalists are using the same tactic that the Brexit team used so effectively of deriding opponents as the metropolitan urban elite.

375512 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #100 of 1848 🔗

What a shocking piece.Gives no evidence that his views cost him his life but uses his death to smear Toby and JHB.
Also creates this myth that there is a huge part of the right wing media’who deny Covid existence.

375598 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #101 of 1848 🔗

“How mad and how different from what passes for respectable opinion. But shift the conversation just a little and the conspiracy theories are not so different from the propaganda pouring out of rightwing radio stations and newspapers. Their claims that masks and lockdowns don’t work, that Covid is no more deadly than the flu, that 91% of so-called Covid cases are false positives and that there are no excess deaths are as false as imagining Gates wants to microchip the world and just as deadly.”

That is the worst journalism I’ve read in a while. Totally delusional hate speech, using the death of someone in a big ‘I told you so’ rant.

Extremely worrying to see that kind of stuff in print.

376261 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #102 of 1848 🔗

It is worrying indeed. However, it is rather irrational drivel isn’t it when analysed? It’s nothing more than a hysterical rant based on nothing really. Well, I’m going to come out as an official Covid denier. The reason is that this is another Coronavirus of which we have four already – the flu, the common cold and I think, but probably wrong, viral pneumonia? In 1968 there was a new Coronavirus which turned out to be the common cold. I am a denier because there clearly is no deadly pandemic stalking the UK or the world. We have a seasonal respiratory virus – a variant of Sars Covid 1 – no more no less. It’s flu by any other name. So, whilst there is a variant of Sars Covid 1 out there now, it is till only a seasonal respiratory virus. So, yes, I’m a denier unless evidence is provided to the contrary.

376468 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #103 of 1848 🔗

In a strange way, I am reassured (although angry). The referenced article shows clearly the lack of solid information and the desperation.

We are winning, though it’s going to be a very slow grind.

376572 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RichardJames, 2, #104 of 1848 🔗

I agree. The situation is not sustainable.

375616 ▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #105 of 1848 🔗

But now, The Guardian has become a mouthpiece for populist authoritarians who wish to deny us our human rights . “

The Guardian has always been a mouthpiece for authoritarians who wish to deny us our human rights (because they know best how to run a “good” society, and dissent from their greater understanding of the greater good is not just wrong, but evil). Whether they were ever populist is ope to question, but if so it was decades ago.

It’s just that previously they weren’t targeting views and people you had any sympathy for.

375618 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mark, 4, #106 of 1848 🔗

I understand that now and I hope it’s not too late to fight against this.

376137 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #107 of 1848 🔗

Relax, literally no-one reads the Guardian. Cohen’s drivel may as well be in chapter 7 of A Brief History of Time.

376379 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AidanR, 8, #108 of 1848 🔗

In your world, maybe. Literally everyone I know reads the Guardian and that is why I (now) have very few friends left. I have been calling this out as an authoritarian power grab since DAY ONE. They can’t admit they were wrong to support lockdowns and mask wearing so they double down, sometimes hysterically so. Please don’t discount the very real threat to our future. History has shown that most highly organised (I know, I know, but they are succeeding in rolling this out) authoritarian power grabs succeed and last many years. The UK as we knew it is finished. It will take years to take it back. When you hear, next month, that the 2010 Equalities Act has been repealed… be scared. Be very scared! We do have to fight this. We do have to acknowledge and engage. Ignore it at your peril!

376377 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #109 of 1848 🔗

We are all criminals now doing what was once classed as normal is now a criminal offense. Breathing free is one of them. 🙃

376400 ▶▶ RoseE, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #110 of 1848 🔗

That article left a really bad taste in my mouth. Hateful.

376465 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #111 of 1848 🔗

From the article “Respectable Opinion” as if other peoples’ opinions can’t be respectable. You lying dissimulating bastard, Cohen.

376935 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RichardJames, #112 of 1848 🔗

He is from Bowden in Cheshire…most people are cunts from there lol.

375472 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 27, #113 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes and tell him lockdowns kill.
Look her in the eyes and tell her you’re a lockdown sceptic.

375477 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PatrickF, 25, #114 of 1848 🔗

Can the Government look me in the eye & tell me they are running a sensible & balanced Public Health policy based on good perceptive strategic planning and that they are not just jumping around like scalded cats with every bit of scary scientific tittle tattle?

375603 ▶▶ Norman, replying to PatrickF, 8, #115 of 1848 🔗

Look them in the eye and ask them what rule they broke to catch it. Perpetrators get infected too.

375475 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #116 of 1848 🔗

There is mention in the news that the UK will soon exceed 100,000 covid deaths. Many talk about this as if these were deaths that but for covid would not have happened. Well I am only a simple fellow but even I can see that if you take the total covid deaths away from the overall total deaths you end up with a death rate lower than we have seen in recent history, which seems unlikely.

Advertising signs that con
You into thinking you’re the one
That can do what’s never been done
That can win what’s never been won
Meantime, life outside goes on
All around you

Plays wasted words, proves to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying

So we seem to have set ourselves up to reduce deaths to a lower level than we have known in recent times, on the road to eternal life! before we are going to be allowed to have our freedom back. If my analysis is correct than what are the Government and the Authorities thinking? are they stupid and cannot see this simple fact? or is this willful and therefore part of some sinister plot?

375490 ▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #117 of 1848 🔗

“… or is this willful and therefore part of some sinister plot?”

I’m no conspiracy theorist (preferring the incompetent politician view), but this is making me think:

The Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly – OffGuardian (off-guardian.org)

375523 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 8, #118 of 1848 🔗

yeh,, that article is the best and most credible attempt I’ve read at getting a glimpse of what lies beneath when you scrape away the veneer of lies that all sane unbrainwashed people know that covid is

376606 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #119 of 1848 🔗

Yep. I can spot the crazy stuff but this has a lot of plausible points as to why this near unanimous and wilfully misleading policy is sustained. Still seems hard to believe none of this has leaked out though.

375501 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #120 of 1848 🔗

The zombies were suddenly confronted with the previously inconceivable idea that they might die.
They were to,pld they’d die of Covid.
They concluded that without Covid they wouldn’t die.
Hence the latest batch of lies.

375554 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #121 of 1848 🔗

That song is in my opinion the best candidate for the Sceptics’ Theme Tune, along with ‘Let me die in my Footsteps’.

Last March I was very disappointed to receive one of the Great Man’s emails whch concluded ‘Stay Safe’.

375476 jos, 12, #122 of 1848 🔗

So we’re all in a Derren Brown global scam? Just waiting for the man to appear.. If we’re not he should clearly claim credit for having come up with the idea in the first place (see Derren Brown: Apocalypse) We could start a conversation with the fervid Covidians ‘Do you know how DB persuaded that poor man he was in the middle of a deadly pandemic? Wasn’t that cruel..?’ Might work and incidentally I wonder what DB makes of what’s going on?

375478 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 14, #123 of 1848 🔗

The NHS posters have plumbed new depths. Why not “Look him/her in the eyes” with photos of children, or is that a step too far for even the Nazi Health Service?

375480 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to PatrickF, 30, #124 of 1848 🔗

Nobody is buying it anymore, look in the eyes of an 8 year old girl who says Daddy i have no future and i`m scared of going outside ! these tory and science scum need the mussolini treatment.

375489 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to PatrickF, 57, #125 of 1848 🔗

Give them a dose of their own medicine 😉

375491 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 3, #126 of 1848 🔗

Excellent!

375502 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 28, #127 of 1848 🔗

Or this one

375528 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #128 of 1848 🔗

Sent to Whately yesterday to illustrate my telling her of a friend who died last year (2020) after his cancer Chemo was stopped.

375593 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #129 of 1848 🔗

(SS’s poster, the sad old bugger in the middle could pass for me on a good day)

376410 ▶▶▶ RoseE, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 2, #130 of 1848 🔗

Brilliant!

375590 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PatrickF, 3, #131 of 1848 🔗

Lest it see more, prevent it. Out, vile jelly!
Where is thy lustre now?

All dark and comfortless.

375481 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #132 of 1848 🔗

The case of Belarus demonstrates the fact that lockdowns are unnecessary even more clearly than the case of Sweden. Belarus did not implement any restrictions, and it has fared far better than the countries that did. It is a country of roughly ten million people. The Covid 19 deaths have reached just over one thousand and six hundred.

Countries do, of course, differ. And one way in which Belarus differs from the United Kingdom is its hospital bed capacity. Belarus has eleven hospital beds to every thousand people. The UK has a mere two and half. This one difference may be significant, not merely in terms of health care, but more importantly in terms of politics and public policy. Boris Johnson inflicted the incredibly harmful lockdown measures on the UK on the ground that it was the only way to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed – ie, the lockdown was a recognition and acknowledgement that the NHS had insufficient capacity (something that the government was well aware of from 2016 at least: Exercise Cygnus). If the conclusion of Exercise Cygnus had been taken seriously and acted on in 2016 (Jeremy Hunt was the Health Secretary and Theresa May the Prime Minister), increasing NHS capacity, perhaps Boris Johnson would have been in a position to have resisted the pressure to implement the lockdown measures.

375506 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #133 of 1848 🔗

In fairness, one possible reason for Belarus having more hospital capacity is that they learnt from experience. The Chernobyl nuclear plant explosion, in its Ukrainian neighbour, had a considerable effect on health in the country.

Ukraine got all the financial aid, Belarus got the fallout.

375530 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #134 of 1848 🔗

CV 19 has a deal with Lukashenko. It turns back at the border and flies off – in variant form – to Poland. The CV is smart and honest you see. 1000 dead in Be, 10 million people. UK Fake News says nothing. If they do it will be to say that the data in Be is falsified. Laughable.

How about we start with the mountain of fake UK CV data. The NHS-ONS CV data fraud needs to be investigated, starting with the MCCD and working an audit through the entire process. When will that happen?

375538 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #135 of 1848 🔗

coronavirus seems far more widespread in Belarus than UK – in the sense that everyone you speak to has either had it themselves, or someone in their family has. and therefore they know from their own lived experience that it is nothing more than a bad cold or flu. they don’t live in fear of it any more like people over here do: the spell has broken, they’re just getting on with their lives, going about their business as normal, coronavirus ranks low on their list of worries.

375767 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #136 of 1848 🔗

Which is what is actually happening in Wuhan as well and probably many other parts of China.

375482 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #137 of 1848 🔗

The website set up by the MP et al is in exactly the same format as the site criticising the climate change sceptics and is as misleading. One question, they’ve given a list of specific people, including academics; but why have the not included clinical sceptics like Claire Craig, John Lee an Malcolm Kendrick?

375525 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to p02099003, 1, #138 of 1848 🔗

Have NO’B and Bob Ward (‘Wood Pellets’ Grantham’s attack dog) ever been seen in the same room?

375607 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 7, #139 of 1848 🔗

It’s an awful site. So they want to debunk Professors Gupta and Henegen, with a FAQ using links to fact checkers? What kind of nonsense is this eh?

I note, given how absolutely critical it is to all of this, they made no attempt to look into the PCR test and demonstrate it is fit for purpose. Maybe its not a FAQ in their world. Well it is for us.

I also note a huge amount of their analysis relies on Imperial College London, make of that what you will.

They’ve done themselves no favours with that woeful site. Compare it to the trove of articles and data on the home page of this site.

375675 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #140 of 1848 🔗

When someone has to resort to ad hominem attacks then they have little other evidence. Does anyone recognise the other people who contribute to the website? To be honest I don’t think that it is worth getting into a lather about. It’s just another distraction. From my point of view there’s a certain irony with the mp involved, as he’s member for the constituency that includes the urgent care centre where I work, it also includes two parts of Leicestershire that had the highest “case” rate that were worse than the city itself, it also includes halls of residence for those nasty infected students from Leicester University including medical students, and finally it was the location for those patients who presented with persistent cough back in 2019. Maybe the honourable gentleman would care to address these issues in his own backyard.

375483 meanonsunday, replying to meanonsunday, 25, #141 of 1848 🔗

Regarding the reader who drove 2 miles to go for a walk; apparently her lawyer friend has no clue regarding the risks of driving versus walking. Walking even 200m beside a road would incur a greater chance of injury or death. I suppose we should all hide in our houses where we can live a miserable existence for another year before dying at a more convenient time for the NHS.

375520 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to meanonsunday, 7, #142 of 1848 🔗

Lawyers are libtards, many of them openly fascistic. They like the quackademics view themselves as Plato’s wise guardians. In reality, many are are not very bright and have few skills outside their profession.

375804 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to FerdIII, 7, #143 of 1848 🔗

Most Lawyers are also privileged to be able to work from home without too much difficulty, and are probably insulated from people whose lives and careers are being ruined by the restrictions and their attendant uncertainties.

375484 HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 16, #144 of 1848 🔗

Local press / PH authority keeping up the mind games / propaganda:

Northamptonshire residents who refuse coronavirus vaccine are endangering those around them | Northampton Chronicle and Echo

Translated: ‘Get the vaccine or kill your family’.

Nice.

375496 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 10, #145 of 1848 🔗

Patently untrue – needs reporting

375486 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 28, #146 of 1848 🔗

While “if it’s not peer reviewed it’s not relevant” is true it does NOT mean it is correct or applicable to the real world.

You need to validate, verify and audit it first. Very few scientific ideas ever become useful things in the real world.

Peer review in academia almost always means it is deemed sufficient to enter the scientific discourse. Academics often try to embellish the worth of their papers and work without experience of what it actually requires to make things useful.

I’ve seen this creeping belief that a peer-reviewed paper is the gold standard. If you have published in any field you’ll know that is nonsense. The quality of the work, the minimisation of assumptions, the repeatability, the testing and testing, these are what move an idea to a something more concrete.

What SAGE and the rest are doing is model masturbation using vague measurement techniques, dressed up as spin and frankly would be illegal if used in any other safety related field including other types of medicine.

As I’ve said before these people have form because they’ve been doing it with nutrition and with climate change science.

375498 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, 8, #147 of 1848 🔗

Plys an element of ‘you review me, I’ll review you’?

375514 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 2, #148 of 1848 🔗

The thermageddon saga shows the flaws.

375517 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 11, #149 of 1848 🔗

‘I approve your paper and fake data so you can get your grant, get published, get invited to the cool-kid conferences…..can you please return the favour and approve mine please and oh, don’t worry about the code-db application…it was built by my 2nd yr computer science class and I don’t have a clue what it means…Best’

375645 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to mhcp, 4, #150 of 1848 🔗

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
Why most published research articles are false, Dr John Ioannidis et al, 2005

375684 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to mhcp, 4, #151 of 1848 🔗

As in the field of climate science, peer review is actually friends review. If you are outside then it’s almost impossible to get anything published. Also, at the moment it is publishing season as the number of articles published, no matter the quality, determines research grants for the next 3 years.

376019 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mhcp, 4, #152 of 1848 🔗

Mrs Merkel was challenged about her advisory board (German Sage), why they do not have any critical voices.

You, as a scientist, should know better!

375487 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 6, #153 of 1848 🔗

Looks like they’re planning on keeping us locked down until mid-July at least:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/23/government-quietly-changes-law-give-councils-lockdown-powers/

“Government quietly changes law to give councils lockdown powers until July 17 this year’Vaccinations will of course bring immunity from Covid, but they must bring immunity from lockdowns and restrictions too'”

375508 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 7, #154 of 1848 🔗

The comment section is up in arms

375511 ▶▶ jos, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 4, #155 of 1848 🔗

This was all in the plan – give power to local areas to shift the blame from the government. We’re following an agenda and we’re well on the way.

376143 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jos, 1, #156 of 1848 🔗

On the bright side, the precedent of devolving important decisions to the regions has been established now, and will be expected in the future.

The closer the decisions are to where you’re sat, the better.

375614 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 1, #157 of 1848 🔗
375494 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 65, #158 of 1848 🔗

The ‘look them in the eyes’ adverts portray actors who are pretending to be ill.

The actors are wearing make up in order to make them look ill when they are not. For some inexplicable reason the actors appear to have been smeared with gravy browning

The actors are wearing Oxygen masks when they don’t need them because they are not ill

The actors, make up artists and advertising agencies were paid handsomely from the public purse to create this illusion

The posters more than adequately sum up this scam

375548 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Cecil B, 7, #159 of 1848 🔗

Yes, it would be interesting if anyone out there could name these actors

375639 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 9, #160 of 1848 🔗

Simon Dolan has some excellent posters in response on his gab account.

375643 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 3, #161 of 1848 🔗

Sorry they will not download on here.
https://gab.com/Simondolan

375882 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Cecil B, 9, #162 of 1848 🔗

They’re acting like they’ve got it.

*ba dum tis* 😀

375503 mhcp, 3, #163 of 1848 🔗

“Look him in the eyes…”

“Render unto Caesar…” my friend.

375505 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 23, #164 of 1848 🔗

I have just sent this to my local Liberal Democrat candidate:

Fundamental to this entire chaotic response to an outbreak of SARS CoV 2 has been the incompetence of the government/civil service/medical expert committee axis.

My local Conservative MP no longer responds to my emails

I would be grateful if you would press his local office on the following matters:

When will the independent public committee inquiry into government handling of the covid 19 response, promised by the Prime Minister, commence?

Will that public inquiry ask the following fundamental questions:

  1. Why was no detailed cost/benefit analysis of proposed government interventions conducted in line with international best practice, and set out by parliament, regarding the precautionary principle and risk assessment?
  2. Why was no ‘red team’ set up to challenge plans, policies, systems and assumptions by adopting an adversarial approach? Even Churchill, in wartime, adopted a variant of this validation process.
  3. What caused the fundamental shift in government policy in March? French diplomatic pressure or Imperial College modelling? What credible data was presented to inform this radical change of approach?
  4. Why was SARS CoV 2 made a notifiable disease on 05 March, then removed from the list of high consequence infectious diseases on 19 March?
  5. What was the decision making process that led to the following:

Mass discharges from hospital into care homes of patients infected or possibly infected with COVID19 and advice that “negative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home”.

• Advice to care homes that “no personal protective equipment (PPE) is required if the worker and the resident are not symptomatic,” and a failure to ensure adequate provisions of PPE to care homes.

• A failure to assess care homes’ capability to cope with and isolate infected or possibly infected patients discharged from hospitals, and failure to put in place adequate emergency mechanisms to help care homes respond to additional needs and diminished resources.

• A failure to ensure regular testing of care home workers and residents.

• Imposition of blanket Do Not Attempt Resuscitation (DNAR) orders on residents of many care homes around the country and restrictions on residents’ access to hospital.

• Suspension of regular oversight procedures for care homes by the statutory regulating body, the Care Quality Commission (CQC), and the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman.

What was the decision making process behind the following:

Regarding the Coronavirus Act, why was the power to confine healthy people conferred by the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 not utilised and Part IIA of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984, as amended in 2008. Section 45C(1) preferred for that purpose?

Why did the Coronavirus Act authorise any payments connected with coronavirus without limit and without any form of advance Parliamentary scrutiny?

What exit planning process from the measures of the Coronavirus Act did the government undertake and when?

Yours etc etc

375526 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #165 of 1848 🔗

Can I copy and use?

375754 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #166 of 1848 🔗

Of course anyone may copy and use…..I would consider it an honour if you would.

375531 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #167 of 1848 🔗

Can you add

1-that we need a full data audit of CV death data. Starting from the MCCD to the ONS reporting database. Every single part of the process audited.

2-ask why the flu started to disappear in the statistics vs the previous 5 years in week 17 2020. Are most normal flu deaths now attributed to CV 19?

3-evidence that face diapers work (they don’t). Where is the evidence that cloth diapers stop a 0.012 sized micron molecule? What data supports that?

375604 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to FerdIII, 3, #168 of 1848 🔗

On point 3 the key point is that face coverings appear to produce longer term harm as well as they categorically do not improve infection control for those who are not coughing or sneezing i.e with symptoms. And even then that was a small sample and a weak effect.

Neir Orr’s RCT in Colchester. The Vietnamese Mask study from a few years back. Even the Danish Mask study which made the point that it’s often not the device but the common day use of it that reduces any efficacy.

375760 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to mhcp, #169 of 1848 🔗

Excellent! Thank you.

375757 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to FerdIII, #170 of 1848 🔗

Excellent! Thank you.

375507 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #171 of 1848 🔗

I don’t get why the extreme zealots mentioned ATL had to create another site to try and rebut what is written here. Especially when they already ‘have the floor’ in literally every available arena; be that telly, radio, social media. I can’t even walk past a bus stop without seeing their nonsense, it is that pervading.

They do say imitation is the greatest form of flattery but to ape this site so closely… well, that is just creepy.

375521 ▶▶ jos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #172 of 1848 🔗

We had quite a few of them on here anyway trying to stir people up against each other – divide and rule is the pathetic policy of the powerless. They’re just bullies and essentially if we resist they will start to back down.

375522 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #173 of 1848 🔗

It’s the same as climate science enthusiasts. They MUST quash dissent of their religion.

375529 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #174 of 1848 🔗

There rebuttals just reek of desperation. The zealot position is now provably wrong. It is actually embarrassing their levels of fealty to the lockdown cause.

375544 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #175 of 1848 🔗

Shows we’ve got traction.

375553 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 4, #176 of 1848 🔗

Absolutely

375513 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 70, #177 of 1848 🔗

Unexpected day off today.

Woke up thus morning to several inches of snow. In the past, those who do not have suitable transport would be collected in our emergency response vehicles and transported to work, then put up in hotels overnight to ensure coverage of jobs (i work on the railways)

Conversation thus morning with my shift manager when I asked about being picked up.

“They’ve decided that despite the vehicles not having covid safe precautions we can pick you up, but everyone has to wear a face mask.”

“I’m face mask exempt”

“Oh, can’t you wear one just for the journey” (which could take upwards of an hour as he does the rounds and there would be a return journey too)

“Absolutely not”

“Oh well, we will have to see if we can get someone else then.”

I will probably lose several hundred pound for today, but I am not compromising on my principals, and my health and wellbeing.

375516 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richy_m_99, 33, #178 of 1848 🔗

They aren’t allowed to discriminate against you like that.

375518 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to this is my username, 26, #179 of 1848 🔗

Exactly. Face coverings are guidelines. The Equality Act is Law

375555 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to mhcp, 9, #180 of 1848 🔗

We’ll see what happens. We have an internal grievance procedure that we can go through if necessary. One thing in my favour as well, is that I have only just resumed after six months on the sick, and my back to work interview covered me requiring physiotherapy to deal with mobility issues. It was primarily these issues that led me to need transport. If I had got into difficulties I would not have been able to walk out of them.

376097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #181 of 1848 🔗

Just an update. I have sent my line manager a text message this afternoon, advising him of this morning’s events and reminding him that the restriction imposed on me was beyond that which is required by law if I was travelling, for example, in a taxi to work.

I ended it with, I trust that I will be paid for today.

We shall have to see what he has to say.

375524 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richy_m_99, 20, #182 of 1848 🔗

You MUST take them to a tribunal over this and get compensation. Please! Contact a lawyer. They have literally brown the law. Use the law while we still have it!!

375532 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #183 of 1848 🔗

Well said, Richy.
Stick to your principles.

375542 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #184 of 1848 🔗

Blatant discrimination. Threaten them with legal action.

375596 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #185 of 1848 🔗

Good for you

375519 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #186 of 1848 🔗

Wonder if I could just check what is happening in other areas of the country viz the ‘non-essential’ bench-usage issue. Is this a *thing* elsewhere?

Having noted that other benches in the town have not similarly been designated off-limits, and that my competitors are not similarly harassed, I want to get my ducks in a row for a letter of complaint. Thanks.

375540 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #187 of 1848 🔗

No filth on our benches here in W.Wales. Plenty if takeaway coffees about.

375543 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kh1485, 2, #188 of 1848 🔗

I have seen zero issues with benches here in N Ireland. Out in the country and towns/city.

375545 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 4, #189 of 1848 🔗

Our local wine/coffee place Vino was being harassed (shiny new CCTV opposite) by calls from Swale BC complaining about people sitting drinking takeaway coffee on public benches in Faversham Market Place/Court Street.

375558 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 11, #190 of 1848 🔗

Thanks for this, I sympathise.

What pisses me off it that the cycle-themed cafe across the road where cyclists gather in an area ‘habitually used’, appears to suffer no similar harassment. As has been said, this is purely about Control. I don’t agree with the state narrative, so I must be punished.

375551 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 9, #191 of 1848 🔗

We often walk to nearby villages for coffees from a cafe takeaway (what else is there to do, plus to support them). Many people do the same, in fact it has become a “thing” that town and village centres are full of people walking round with coffee cups. Most have plenty of benches in squares, by the river or outside shops and near bus stops, as this area already has an older demographic needing regular rests. Most benches are full, all the time, of coffee drinkers, walkers, cyclists. There have been no issues with police or council and everything is very pleasant and sociable. I don’t want to name exactly where we are in this post but it is a semi rural area on the boundary of North and West Yorkshire.

375562 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #192 of 1848 🔗

It’s become a thing around here too,yesterday the local parks and streets were heaving with people wrapped up for the icy weather and all waking about holding takeawy coffees. A nice atmosphere for being in a so called pandemic.

375563 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 5, #193 of 1848 🔗

The fountain in our market square was coned/taped off, but people have simply moved the cones and are using it to sit on again

Other benches unaffected

I spent a long time yesterday at an urban location in London – many many people there doing a wide variety of activities, many sitting down and eating/drinking. No sign of police or private security (the location is technically private property though the public are able to use the area)

375585 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 3, #194 of 1848 🔗

I’ve not seen any such issues with benches in my part of Lancashire.
Good luck, kh – we’re with you in spirit.

375599 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to kh1485, 2, #195 of 1848 🔗

North Notts/South Yorks border. Local NT beauty spot has moved some benches from next to the refreshment area but put others in further away.

375755 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, #196 of 1848 🔗

Where I live the park benches have never been taped off/restricted even in Lockdown1; however the benches in the High St are all taped off. No pointed signage though. I don’t know if the LA or the Town Council was responsible for that.

375893 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to kh1485, 6, #197 of 1848 🔗

Aren’t park benches (and parks in general) funded by tax payer money? I’m tempted to start putting up my own signs next to theirs, indicating that this is the property of the tax payer and you (the local council) do not decide when and how it is used. We’ve tolerated far too much of this creeping authority, not just in 2020 but in general over the past several years.

376056 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #198 of 1848 🔗

Our local park has all the benches Open, and our shopping center, which removed it’s stone benches in LD1 and did not put them out until late July, still has them out. Costa is the only Coffee shop open there, but I hardly see anyone use them (too cold?)
There is also plenty of seating on our market square, where the drinkers like to congregate. I do not see many people sit right by the in-town coffeeshops, most take their drink to the park.

376515 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 3, #199 of 1848 🔗

I used to get a takeaway coffee and sit on a bench in the grounds of the cathedral (a permitted public heritage site) in the city where I live. There probably 12-15 large wooden bench seats (3-4 person capacity pre-covid). They were very popular. At the same time Handcock put pressure on the food store bosses to clamp down on mask use (not face coverings anymore, but masks), all of these benches were removed. There are a few left, largely because they were concreted into the ground. Everyone I spoke to regarded it as an extremely petty action by the cathedral staff.

376919 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #200 of 1848 🔗

No bench sillystuff here, that I’m aware of.

375527 this is my username, #201 of 1848 🔗

Dr Naomi Wolf on COVID Data Corruption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryfE_XC4IyA

375533 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #202 of 1848 🔗

O’Brien was a special advisor to the uber pathetic May

(why are these advisors always special?, never average, or could do better?)

What part did he play in the then governments response to Operation Cygnet?

375537 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 1, #203 of 1848 🔗

‘special’ prob means ‘special needs’, ie half-wits; or psychotically ‘special’ and demented.

375549 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 5, #204 of 1848 🔗

(why are these advisors always special?, never average, or could do better?)

It’s the same with any job these days. When I left school I was a ‘bank clerk’, now I would be a ‘customer services executive’.

375565 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cecil B, 4, #205 of 1848 🔗

Interesting. Clearly nobody in that government specially advised Hunt that the country might be short of ICU beds. It surely wasn’t beyond the great minds of government to forsee we might get a bad virus season any year.

That members of the last government, not in this one are such lockdown zealots makes me feel they feel some concern. Hunt is another.

375595 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cecil B, 1, #206 of 1848 🔗

special as in “special needs”

376026 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, 1, #207 of 1848 🔗

In Barnsley, if you want to say somebody’s as thick as a plank, you say he’s “spesh”.

375534 Nigel Sherratt, 2, #208 of 1848 🔗

Matt ‘Running Man’ Han

You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
You can run, you can run, tell my friend Willie Brown
That I got the crossroad blues this mornin’, Lord, babe, I’m sinkin’ down

375535 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 49, #209 of 1848 🔗

New poster:

‘Look this old lady in the eyes, who is going to die alone, at home, suffering depression and tell her that you were just saving the NHS and saving her, by preventing her from seeing her family and hugging her children and grandchildren before she dies….come on…….look her in the eyes and say ‘we are saving the NHS by killing you and leaving you to die alone…..’

Save the NHS. Kill people and businesses.

375536 ▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 6, #210 of 1848 🔗

Kill living.

375602 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to FerdIII, 2, #211 of 1848 🔗

Ouch, that’s effective

375634 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to FerdIII, 7, #212 of 1848 🔗

The reality is truly more horrific than the bullshit propaganda

376522 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FerdIII, 3, #213 of 1848 🔗

I am still waiting for an explanation on how killing the economy is compatible with ‘saving’ or ‘protecting’ the NHS. It only makes sense if it means ‘protecting’ or ‘saving’ the government from their mismanagement of the NHS.

375541 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #214 of 1848 🔗

Sky news has a story. Scientists cast doubt over the new variant being more deadly.

Interesting to see the stiry patterns coming from propaganda outlets. Why do they want people to know this particular news story rather than this is the news of the day.

I’m not doubting what scientists here are saying. I am pointing out media outlets have reasons for covering this story and not others. You knew that already of course.

375552 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 1, #215 of 1848 🔗

I hate the careful choice of language
– “cast doubt” = disagree

375916 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Basics, 6, #216 of 1848 🔗

This is a technique to absolve themselves of responsibility. For example, they’ll tell you it’s 70% more transmissible, then over the weeks it will gradually and quietly be revised down until something is published that casts doubt over the whole concept. This is their way of slowly backing out of the room so when the ‘legal proceedings’ at the end of this begin, they can say ‘ah hah, but we retracted that later!’ and they can go on their merry way, moving the blame to the politicians and those who signed off on the evidence.

These scientists summed up in an image:

376526 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Basics, 1, #217 of 1848 🔗

The ‘more deadly’ aspect is purely a modelling artefact created by the Mad Modeller.

375546 karenovirus, 5, #218 of 1848 🔗

Previous users of surgical masks in a non surgical setting include Millwall football hooligans in the 70s and 80s.
Ruder slogans are available but it’s Sunday.

375547 Julian, 4, #219 of 1848 🔗

Better update today – on the front foot

375556 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 82, #220 of 1848 🔗

That ‘The Covid-19 FAQ’ website really is rather creepy. It carries the underlying, frankly incorrect and deeply harmful assumption that lockdowns are the ONLY way to deal with the spread of Covid. They are not.

It has been clear from the outset that lockdowns are not there to protect best interests of the public’s health, but to protect the administrative failure that is the NHS. If the government had public health in mind, then it would spend money on public information campaigns promoting good diet, exercise, Vitamin D, good mental health, etc., not releasing ludicrous adverts saying that ‘all joggers carry Covid-19’. It is preposterous. If the problem really is just health service capacity, then I absolutely refuse to believe, given the sheer amount of money that has been flushed down the toilet in implementing unsuccessful lockdown after unsuccessful lockdown, that the money could not have been more specifically directed at helping the NHS cope, rather than destroying the health of the wider public through lockdowns.

Lockdowns are a measure previously never before used on such a massive scale, for such a long time. They have never been part of pandemic planning before, certainly not on this scale or for this length of time. Prior to 2020, they were not recommended by the WHO because their harms vastly outweighed their marginal benefits. The public has been bombarded with millions of pounds worth of propaganda on an almost daily basis for nearly a year now. Lockdowns, the most repressive and harmful intervention ever to have been taken have become normalised as a result of this media campaign. They have worn people down so much that they think lockdowns are the only option. They are not.

The sad thing is that the collateral harms from Covid will take many more years to manifest than Covid deaths and they also cannot be recorded in the same visible way, so they are much more invisible and the zealots therefore just assume they don’t exist.

The zealots on this FAQ website claim that the disease is so dangerous and that lockdowns work. They don’t. If they have any effect at all it is just to kick the can down the road, because what happens when you open up again? Virus spreads.

Lockdowns stop people from leading the healthy life that would help them fight Covid; they disrupt education and the right to work and earn a living; they ruin mental and physical health; they tear families and relationships apart; they destroy businesses that have taken years to build; and they deny innocent people medical treatment. Almost everyone in my circle of friends or family has been negatively affected by lockdown in some way. Just because that’s anecdotal doesn’t mean it’s not relevant.

If lockdowns worked, properly , then we wouldn’t need to keep locking down, would we?

375567 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Poppy, 41, #221 of 1848 🔗

I had CV 19 last Jan. Trust me, if you have it, you are NOT jogging around . If you have no symptoms, you do not have it. And you CANNOT spread this in the natural environment by walking or jogging. Viruses die in the natural environment. You want to be out in the natural environment. Basic god damn science.

375947 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to FerdIII, 25, #222 of 1848 🔗

As I understand it, German lawyer Reiner Fuellmich and his team are basing their entire case on this – that asymptomatic spread is unproven and that the PCR test is not fit for purpose. Once you knock those two out, the entire thing unravels and collapses like a cheap deck of cards. We can only hope..

376959 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to FerdIII, 3, #223 of 1848 🔗

True. The whole ‘1 in 3’ having it asymptomatically on the latest propaganda from the Politburo has the opposite effect on me to the one intended. I read it as a third of people with it aren’t even ill!!

375581 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 5, #224 of 1848 🔗

I totally agree with everything you said Poppy

375608 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Poppy, 11, #225 of 1848 🔗

The lockdown zealots act as if lockdowns are a perfectly normal response to infectious disease whilst forgetting they have never been done before or recommend. The justification used for lockdown is that Covid is very dangerous with a high fatality rate or makes survivors very ill. If this was the case this would control Covid because dead people can’t spread disease and people who become very ill can’t go out to infect others and are more likely to self isolate as they are aware they have an infectious disease. I believe this is what happened with SARS 1.

375615 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Poppy, 7, #226 of 1848 🔗

Well said. It’s clear they are cherry picking details in language, rather than the points put forward last year, by many experts. The key one being, the virus was quickly becoming endemic and seasonal and should have been dealt with calmly and professionally, before the winter surge came.

375901 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Poppy, 6, #227 of 1848 🔗

If lockdowns worked, properly , then we wouldn’t need to keep locking down, would we?

I put this question to a lockdown fan the other day. Their answer was ‘but it’s going to work this time’.

375928 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #228 of 1848 🔗

And when the cases and deaths go down (as they will, with or without lockdowns/vaccines) they’ll use that as proof to support their argument. We’ve already been through this! We see actual scientists make the claim frequently that the fall after the first lockdown was purely the result of the lockdown. It is mind numbingly dumb and we must not let them get away with it.

376004 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Vir Cotto, 8, #229 of 1848 🔗

‘Cases’ will fall because, post Biden inauguration, the WHO suddenly advised that owing to the ‘now identified risk of excessive false positives the PCR process should be run at 25 cycles’. As a result falling ‘case’ numbers will provide ‘proof’ that lockdowns and vaccines have worked admirably. Most of the population won’t understand any of this scientifically; all they will see is numbers going down and the likes of Hancock telling us it’s proof that they and their advisers were right in their approach. A little tweek of PCR cycles in the autumn when the next respiratory illness season starts again and, bingo, lockdown again.

376079 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Poppy, 3, #230 of 1848 🔗

This is very well put.
I hope it is ok, I have copied it and might use it for a leaflet.

376634 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Poppy, 4, #231 of 1848 🔗

The odd thing is that the Gov didn’t actually originally claim they “worked” anyway. “Flattening the curve” was about reducing the strain on the NHS over Easter – however I always took it to mean that the area under the curve would still be the same ie same number of deaths but just spread out over a longer period. It was only stupid Ferguson who claimed that these lives could somehow be “saved” whatever that means…immortality?

375557 JHUNTZ, 25, #232 of 1848 🔗

If you had told any member of the British public pre March 2020 that we can control a virus they’d have laughed in your face. What changed? Why do we have to refute lockdown?

I think this is as good an argument as any.

375559 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 20, #233 of 1848 🔗

Here’s an enjoyable Sunday read for you and your friends.

The New York Times has published a shocking exposé of how PCR testing created an entirely imaginary epidemic.

(Oh, yes it has. In 2007. It’s unaccountably failed to remove it from the website.)

To say the episode was disruptive was an understatement, said Dr. Elizabeth Talbot, deputy state epidemiologist for the New Hampshire Department of Health and Human Services.

“You cannot imagine,” Dr. Talbot said. “I had a feeling at the time that this gave us a shadow of a hint of what it might be like during a pandemic flu epidemic.”

Yet, epidemiologists say, one of the most troubling aspects of the pseudo-epidemic is that all the decisions seemed so sensible at the time.

Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t

375564 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #234 of 1848 🔗

Good one Nomad. Hanging the arselings with their own petard.

375572 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #235 of 1848 🔗

It’s like as if proper measurements were somehow important.

376378 ▶▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to mhcp, #236 of 1848 🔗

Almost as though the planned ‘Great Reset’ was a mere ‘conspiracy theory’.

376375 ▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #237 of 1848 🔗

Ermm, ‘I’ve got a brilliant wheeze’ exclaimed Gates and Fauci in unison
The rest is history…….

375560 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #238 of 1848 🔗

Creepy that they are having to use techniques out of the Demon Headmaster with this ‘look him in the eyes’ stuff

https://youtu.be/KNx37VNTUiQ?t=268

(if link doesn’t open in the right place it is at 4 mins 28 seconds)

375633 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #239 of 1848 🔗

With JiHadCock it’s more like the useless hypnotist from Little Britain.
Not around the eyes but in the eyes.
And you’re asleep

375561 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 5, #240 of 1848 🔗

From link above. Good article to read. Symptoms are key. Testing without symptoms is not very intelligent, esp when they return a ‘positive’. No symptoms. You don’t have it.

“It cannot have gone unnoticed by PHE that this notifiable disease data is very divergent from published case data. The Government must urgently review their processes: 1. Only diagnose disease in symptomatic patients 2. Hospital diagnosis should be based on alternative bedside testing for rapid and reliable results (E.g. Lateral flow tests) 3. PCR testing must be halted until the quality of the results has been properly audited.”

https://www.pandata.org/wp-content/uploads/PANDAArticles-The-PHE-data-that-goes-against-the-narrative.pdf

376550 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FerdIII, 2, #241 of 1848 🔗

Conventional modern medical practice pre-covid followed the route of patient presents with symptoms, doctors makes one or more potential diagnoses, tests are carried out to exclude diagnoses leaving one most probable, the most probable disease is treated.

Now we have the Ducking Stool approach via the inadequate PCR test – where the victim will be repeatedly ducked until they prove themselves clean.

375566 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #242 of 1848 🔗

We’re sadder, poorer… and fatter: Mail on Sunday survey finds Britain is suffering under lockdown | Daily Mail Online

Just look at this poll. Why even ask the public whether vaccinated people should be able to fly or have freedoms. This should be out of the questions regardless.

375569 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #243 of 1848 🔗

Increment by increment they move the Overton window.

376677 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JHUNTZ, #244 of 1848 🔗

Fatter people – more comorbidities, more fearful victims for the vaccine. Things couldn’t work out better if they were scripted.

375568 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 23, #245 of 1848 🔗

https://africaexplained.com.ng/tanzania-took-27-million-euros-from-the-european-union-embezzled-it-and-then-declare-the-country-as-coronavirus-free/
President Magalufi – what a man! Having taken the bribe money shelled out by the EU globalist scum, he declared that national prayer had defeated the virus: ‘corona can not survive in the Body of Christ, it will burn’ and as for vaccines, he won’t be importing any from the west, thanks, ‘our scientists and health experts are still undergoing clinical trials of our local herbs’ – now that’s my kind of president!

375571 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JaneHarry, 16, #246 of 1848 🔗

Tanzania….might have a look at fleeing there…..I like this man. Right Stuff.

375574 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to FerdIII, 9, #247 of 1848 🔗

Me too

375576 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Janette, 11, #248 of 1848 🔗

“Tanzania has a population of 60 million people and has only recorded 509 cases with 21 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic.”

Belarus has 1000 deaths. So does the Covid have special deals – it turns away at borders of these 2 states? Or, are Tanzanians naturally ‘immune’ to the Flu?

375638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to FerdIII, 7, #249 of 1848 🔗

Tanzania gets plenty of sun and as such, plenty of Vitamin D.

375719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #250 of 1848 🔗

But happily for them, very low amounts of Bullsh×t.

375750 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to FerdIII, 4, #251 of 1848 🔗

If a fatal reaction to SARSCOV2 is most likely in over 70s, a more sensible measure of fatality rates would possibly be No of deaths per million of elderly rather than per total population . What is the average life expectancy inTanzania? According to Google it is 65 , so maybe there are fewer frail elderly people who , globally , are the main victims of the virus

376347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to mikewaite, #252 of 1848 🔗

Well if they’re dying at 65 presumably they’re not in great shape for some years before that or do they enjoy perfect health and suddenly drop dead at 65?

375864 ▶▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to FerdIII, 4, #253 of 1848 🔗

Tanzania probably also has a very young population: 20% of ours is elderly compared to 5% African.

376089 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FerdIII, 4, #254 of 1848 🔗

They do not test everyone 3 times a week and anyone who wants to. the UK has one of the highest testing rate per citizen in the world.

376578 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FerdIII, 1, #255 of 1848 🔗

Tanzania is a hotspot for Plasmodium falciparum malaria (high mortality), as is the Democratic Republic of Congo, Togo, Burkina Faso, and Ghana. It would be interesting to see how these countries compare with others in Africa where malaria is less of a problem.

On a side note, Whitty’s research interest is malaria, and I believe he receives B&MG Foundation funding (via his employer organisation) towards this research. Malaria kills > 1 million a year, year in, year out but doesn’t interest the narcissitic lockdowners.

375575 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FerdIII, 4, #256 of 1848 🔗

yeh, I’m seriously thinking about it – might see you there one day, living in freedom, watching this horror show from a safe distance!

375583 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #257 of 1848 🔗

WaBenzi

376553 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JaneHarry, #258 of 1848 🔗

I seem to rember some other African leader receiving the same offer. He declined, but died unexpectedly shortly after. It seems like Magalufi is a quick learner.

375570 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 22, #259 of 1848 🔗

from Chris Butler, Professor of Primary Care at University of Oxford on Ivermectin :-
“But there’s a gap in the data. There’s not been a really rigorous trial.”
Does he mean like the really rigorous ‘vaccine’ trials ?

375573 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to tarfu, 10, #260 of 1848 🔗

like the 53 page farce from Pfizer on their testing – avg age 56….no underlying conditions….vs avg age of CV death at 81.5 with 2 conditions….rigorous.

375577 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to tarfu, 8, #261 of 1848 🔗

The origin of the word pharmaceutical is pharmakeia which the bible translates as “witchcraft and sorcery” – the doctor is NOT your friend, and medics who have taken the Hippocratic oath have taken an oath to the gods of ancient Greece, not the God of the bible. Just a note for anyone who’s interested in such things.

375700 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to this is my username, 7, #262 of 1848 🔗

I truly believe what is happening to humanity, currently and for possibly millenia, has been and is satanic. I’m as irreligious as they come. I’m conflicted between our reality either forever expanding & contracting, much as a pendulum, enlightenment and ignorance, or this reality is truly Biblical, and at some point, there will be a defining battle, in which Satan will emerge defeated. In both strands of my “theory of existence” there is a Creator, of that I have no doubt, and that we’re a product of a Great Mind

375931 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jinks, 8, #263 of 1848 🔗

I try to be a Christian, and I utterly agree that what is happening is diabolical.
I’m also confident that evil will be defeated in the end, however bad things are looking now.
Think of the disciples on the Saturday evening.

375975 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to tarfu, 2, #264 of 1848 🔗

They say that when they don’t really want to use the drug – only going through the motions. There are lots of trials done elsewhere in world that clearly showed the benefit of Ivermectin in saving lives

375579 mhcp, 21, #265 of 1848 🔗

I don’t think those who are zealots realise that there will be a rebalance once this breaks.

And I fully expect that there will be lots of bleating about being fair to true believers when this happens. Like they were fair to those who saw this idiocy for what it was and who had to suffer for it.

375582 jos, replying to jos, 34, #266 of 1848 🔗

I was on a train yesterday going to see my mother (fortunately in a rented flat not a care home) who is having end of life care after a stroke – by the way, she was offered a vaccine even though at 99 the chances of her living much longer are small – the offer of the jab was declined. But the train journey was surreal. I’d guess there were about 10 people on the whole train and I had an entire coach to myself. As requested, for the first ten minutes I was masked up because I didn’t want any issues. But when I realised how ridiculous it was to sit in a completely empty coach with a mask on I removed it and felt like a rebel eating my sandwich – the world has turned into ‘28 days later’.

375649 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jos, 3, #267 of 1848 🔗

similar to wearing a face diaper by oneself in the car…???

375713 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to FerdIII, 2, #268 of 1848 🔗

Also by motorcyclists and cyclists.

375770 ▶▶ LS99, replying to jos, 7, #269 of 1848 🔗

Even offering to vaccinate a 99 year old having end of life care … the mind literally boggles.

375938 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LS99, 3, #270 of 1848 🔗

A couple of weeks ago, a care worker on this site reported seeing an operator shove a PCR test stick up the nose of a dying man.

376588 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 1, #271 of 1848 🔗

Presumably the corpse will be expected to self-isolate when the test inevitably comes back positive.

Death may be an escape from taxes, but not from coviditis apparently.

376582 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to LS99, 1, #272 of 1848 🔗

From the view of Big Pharma, this makes perfect sense. It is a sale, and the patient is unlikely to live long enough to develop embarrasing side effects.

It is all about the Benjamins, baby.

375971 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jos, 2, #273 of 1848 🔗

for the first ten minutes I was masked up because I didn’t want any issues

Carry an exempt lanyard

376193 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Victoria, 2, #274 of 1848 🔗

Out of curiosity, why would you do this?

375584 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 31, #275 of 1848 🔗

Some of you may remember that OH and I had a telephone conversation with our MP, back in early November. He admitted that we knew more about the situation than he did, so he asked us to put our concerns in writing. We spent a considerable time putting the document together-it ran to seven pages. He promised that he would forward this to the PM, Hancock and Gove, which I believe that he has done.

A month later, he told us that he was still chasing up a response from the three departments. I wrote to him again last week to ask for an update. He acknowledged our frustration, considering the time we had spent on this.

it is now over two months since we sent our original letter. If a sitting MP is unable to elicit a response from his own government, what hope do the rest of us have?

375678 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Margaret, 5, #276 of 1848 🔗

Just for context I was asked (I work in a govt department) to urgently draft a reply to an mp by 4 pm one day last week. A quick scan of the original letter (from Angela leadsom) showed it was written in July…..I protested and said even a response would be daft…anyway I did what I’m paid to do ..”thank you for your letter I apologise for the late response due to pressures of ….as the situation has now changed since your enquiry I can no longer offer any information on the issue. Thank you for showing an interest in this important matter” A lot of backlog in correspondence….

375895 ▶▶ Professor, replying to TC, #278 of 1848 🔗

The graphs look convincing that there is around a 60% reduction in positive tests around 3-4 weeks after first injection. As the control group do not show the reduction, it does appear to be a real result and not, as some seem to be claiming, a PCR artefact. Given the target date of 15 Feb for immunisation of the most vulnerable set of people in the UK, that would mean this group should obtain 60% protection around the middle of March.

The trouble is that with a 40% chance of remaining susceptible, it is unlikely that government will consider relaxing restrictions at that point. If they followed the recommended 3-week gap for the second injection, and assuming that the 90% efficacy in the trials was actually achieved, the more complete immunity would be gained at the beginning of April. What we currently have, however, is a programme of vaccination that involves a 3 month delay between injections, so when you factor that into mix the most vulnerable group will only achieve the theoretical 90% protection (assuming that the delay does not compromise this) around the middle of June.

Unfortunately, I am therefore not optimistic that we will see any significant relaxations until the Summer given the path we are on.

375587 C S, replying to C S, 76, #279 of 1848 🔗

I was out for a run yesterday morning, down at the local marina where you also have a bunch of chalets. My wife and I run there regularly and see perhaps only 1 or 2 people out and about each time. However, yesterday I passed a lady who seemed to be going round cleaning the chalets dressed in full PPE, N95 mask and gloves. She was alone. Later on as I was leaving the site she drove past me and stopped, pretty much blocking my route (there was no where to go on the side of her without falling into the river!). She had wound down the window and started muffling something to me through her mask. I told her after the second attempt that I couldnt hear a word she was saying (I could). She then proceeded to pull down her mask and leaned over towards the passenger side window. “You should be wearing a mask when running, especially around here we have had 30 cases”, she informed me. I told her there was no such requirement to wear a mask outside and that I would certainly never wear a mask when exercising. “Its the law”, she told me rather confidently. I couldnt help but laugh and asked her where she had heard that. Apparently it was on the news…Anyway, I told her that she should double check the actual law/guidance and that if they have had 30 cases on a small chalet site then clearly people down there were not following the rules around mixing of households etc. She didnt quite know what to say to that. At that point she fiddled again with her mask, reiterated that I should be wearing a mask (for my own benefit too supposedly with all the virus in the air down there), and left.

These are the kind of people we are dealing with. They honestly think they are trying to help us as well with their wisdom. So painful. If I see her down there again and she tries to talk to me I will tell her she will be reported for harassment.

375594 ▶▶ leggy, replying to C S, 42, #280 of 1848 🔗

The govt, ably assisted by the media has created millions of psychotics. I’m not sure that there is even a path back to normality for those people, even if one presents itself.

375707 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to leggy, 30, #281 of 1848 🔗

My mother had a history of mental illness and when she spent time in psychiatric hospitals, she would say “I quite like it here because I don’t have to think for myself and everything is done for me”.

375720 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 32, #282 of 1848 🔗

I do wonder if a large part of the population is happy to have reverted to a childlike state, where they can rely on their ‘parents’ in the government to keep them safe and provide for them financially.

375769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Adamb, 11, #283 of 1848 🔗

Totally agree.

375597 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to C S, 9, #284 of 1848 🔗

’30 cases’ as tested positive via a pcr test…?

375629 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #285 of 1848 🔗

with 0 having symptoms and 0 dead?

377135 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #286 of 1848 🔗

And all recently vaccinated I guess

375610 ▶▶ dhid, replying to C S, 19, #287 of 1848 🔗

I think you were remarkably tolerant and patient with her. Many, myself included would have reacted very differently – it would have included “off” in the verbal response and involved exercising the middle finger of my right hand. Childish perhaps but to the point.

375627 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to dhid, 19, #288 of 1848 🔗

I would have pulled off her stupid face covering and shoved it down her throat. Another low IQ imbecile spouting her religion to me – I have a religion already – I am not interested in her non-science cult beliefs.

375640 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to C S, 14, #289 of 1848 🔗

Very interesting account, handled well. You know, the thing that makes me saddest about this is what has been done to that woman. She has been terrorised out if her wits and is as much a victim as anyone else. To exhibit manic behaviour like that, she must be close to breakdown. It’s a shame that these victims probably will never know that sceptics were on their side all along.

375694 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #290 of 1848 🔗

It makes me think of “the look in my eyes” adverts. Clearly they are targeted to lockdown sceptics, and are deliberately over the top in an attempt to break through our scepticism, but they will be seen by everyone. What effect will they and is all the other propaganda be having on the already convinced. How much of this can they take before they crack? We may end up with a whole section of society suffering from something like shell shock.

376201 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TheBluePill, 12, #291 of 1848 🔗

I don’t think so, though who really knows?

My impression of the people I’ve encountered like the one described is that they aren’t so much genuinely scared as delighted to have an opportunity and pretext to boss other people around and demonstrate their own virtuous compliance.

I suppose it comes down to how charitable one is inclined to be, in the face of such behaviour.

375653 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to C S, 14, #292 of 1848 🔗

Why is it that it’s always women that are more hysterical and the worst control freaks about Covid than men?

Now I am in serious trouble here !!!

375664 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to cloud6, 9, #293 of 1848 🔗

On the other hand, there seem to be far more women at the protests I’ve attended and in the sceptical groups I follow. Seems women are more intuitively seeing through the bollocks.

375666 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to cloud6, 9, #294 of 1848 🔗

Im a woman but i agree with you that it appears to be mostly women too lol.

375839 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to cloud6, 8, #295 of 1848 🔗

i think you’re right and I’m a woman 🙂
There is a certain type of self righteous females who are just nasty busybodies!

375943 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 17, #296 of 1848 🔗

I’m one too, and all the worst zombies I’ve met have been dumpy middle-aged women with little beady eyes glaring over the face knickers.

375940 ▶▶ Annie, replying to C S, 2, #297 of 1848 🔗

honestly think?
Malicious busybodies on a roll.

375984 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to C S, 3, #298 of 1848 🔗

Crazy nosey brainswahed muppet.

376394 ▶▶ Woden, replying to C S, #299 of 1848 🔗

There are other more expressive reactions!

375591 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #300 of 1848 🔗

Law or Fiction – interesting thread comenting on the Corona Ordinance Unconstitutional : a landmark judgement in Weimar District Court

“Court rules: “If every citizen is regarded as a danger from which others must be protected, he is at the same time deprived of the possibility of deciding what risks he will expose himself to, which is a fundamental freedom…. “

https://twitter.com/laworfiction/status/1352641826168205312?s=20

375935 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 1, #301 of 1848 🔗

That is a great Court ruling – now to get this news out to all

375601 Mark, replying to Mark, 72, #302 of 1848 🔗

We have all been shocked by the footage from inside Intensive Care Units at hospitals in London and the South East.

No we haven’t, Mr Barr.

Only the weak-minded and sentimental types, or those who have no recollection of similar scenes advertised every year or so (different only in degree, and not sufficiently to make all that much difference in the impact).

All the doctors, nurses, porters, cleaners and managers working in them are heroes, and we are indebted to them for the rest of our days .”

No, they aren’t. And no we aren’t They are just people doing their jobs. And unless we have ourselves, or our own close relatives or friends, come under their direct treatment we personally and collectively owe them nothing at all .

Many of them are doing very difficult and stressful jobs, at a particularly busy and highly pressured time, but still just doing the jobs they are (in general) perfectly well paid and trained to do.

This sanctimonious nonsense about them being “heroes” for doing their jobs needs to stop. It devalues real heroism – someone doing his or her duty, or going above and beyond it, at real, above normal risk to his or her own life, limb or liberty.

And it makes it almost impossible to argue against those cynically or hysterically abusing said business to manipulate society in the direction of panic.Many of these “heroes” have been at the very forefront of the fear-mongering and the manipulative demonisation of dissenters.

The level headed few are damned if we do and damned if we don’t, of course, on this, which is why this kind of emotionally manipulative hysterics is so difficult to fight, but at least stop handing them the ammunition!

375609 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 27, #303 of 1848 🔗

Completely agree. I make it a point NOT to watch footage from ICUs (ie BBC etc). It serves no purpose other than to shock, which removes any ability to think rationally about these things.

375652 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Adamb, 11, #304 of 1848 🔗

In truth your point, which is a good one, applies to most video news coverage of any issue where there is a desire to manipulate opinion, or even where that is the unintended effect. It’s particularly difficult to maintain calm rationality in the face of intensely distressing video footage. Written material can be emotionally manipulative as well, of course, but it’s harder to do, and ineffective or easier to resist, for the vast majority.

One of the problems create by the tv age.

375680 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 7, #305 of 1848 🔗

That’s a fair comment, and probably in part why many on here gave up on mainstream media reporting some time ago.

375954 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Adamb, 4, #306 of 1848 🔗

That’s exactly what they want. Rational thought is poison to them.

376125 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Adamb, 11, #307 of 1848 🔗

I once wrote to Point of View to the BBC about the nonsensical policy of having a correspondent on location.
“Reporting from outside Buckingham Palace”.
Does it give the reporter any inside knowledge or other advantage by standing there?

Ok, it makes the news more interesting than in front of a green screen in the studio, but it takes a team of 4?
Waste of money in my opinion!

376258 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Adamb, 7, #308 of 1848 🔗

Its not seemly either – gawping at people, invading their privacy while they’re sick.
What’s wrong with us?

375620 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Mark, 37, #309 of 1848 🔗

Remember the dance videos in empty hospitals?
I paid £12 K in taxes to the NHS. I am the hero. I fund it. And millions like me are likewise funding it.
Maybe if they had fewer ‘managers’ and more beds, more machines, more trained staff they would not be overwhelmed every. single. winter. You can go back 10 yrs and every year it is the same ‘NHS at breaking point….’ every. single. god. damn. year.

375669 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to FerdIII, 5, #310 of 1848 🔗

It’s politically motivated wolf-crying mostly. The collectivised national healthcare system has been a very powerful shibboleth built up in the early C20th when such approaches were seen by the newly dominant socialists as the way of the future, and too strong to be replaced once such approaches were recognised as inherently inefficient and damaging.

If you have a nationalised system like the NHS it will necessarily and inevitably be run by politicians for political purposes, and it will always be subject to political pushing and pulling on its budgeting.

375690 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to FerdIII, 7, #311 of 1848 🔗

In most public and private organisations, there are too many chiefs and not enough indians.
“IF IN DOUBT, CALL ANOTHER MEETING AND IF THAN DOESN’T WORK ,SET ON ANOTHER MANAGER AND OF COURSE, AT LEAST TWO ASSISTANT MANAGERS”.

375715 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #312 of 1848 🔗

At one place that I worked there was a photo pinned up in the works canteen showing a man digging a hole watched by 7 gents in suits , to which were aoppended titles: manager , deputy manager , Health and safety manager , deputy to same, accountant , assistant accountant , etc .
Man digging hole? :”Bloke from Poland”

375743 ▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #313 of 1848 🔗

Apparently Stalin used to appoint a manager and two deputy managers to many positions on the basis that after 6 months at least one of them would remain in post,the other two having been executed.

375663 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Mark, 7, #314 of 1848 🔗

Managers are NOT heroes! They are there to embezzle as much as possible!

375795 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mark, 7, #315 of 1848 🔗

in the week after Christmas there was lots of footage of hospitals and doctors interviewed. Where referenced I was able to cross reference the info on the Covid dashboard via healthcare and NHS trust. The data never supported their assertions they were overwhelmed.
Now if you try to cross reference the data it now has a time lag of at least 10 days

375846 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #316 of 1848 🔗

The systematic approach of government has been to tell lies that take time to unravel, and ensure that by the time those lies have been debunked new lies have already replaced them.

Slowing the release of data contributes to the effectiveness of that method.

One change we should all be pushing for is a legal principle that all NHS numerical data should always be freely available to any taxpayer promptly and unfiltered. Exceptions to that should have to be carefully justified case by case and specifically authorised by a named senior government figure.

375860 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 7, #317 of 1848 🔗

There was an American politician,I can’t remember his name,who said they were going to create new realities,and while you are working out what we are doing we will create another reality and so forth
Sounds like government policy now

375871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #318 of 1848 🔗

That was the famous “reality based community” pronouncement in the runup to the Iraq war, iirc. One of the neocons.

375915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mark, 1, #319 of 1848 🔗

Rumsfeld.

Of known unknowns fame.

Actually quite a useful concept in fairness, but rubbished by the clown media at the time, as it takes a few seconds to understand.

375981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bill H, 1, #320 of 1848 🔗

Not Rumsfeld. He was always more of the (cynically and self-interestedly sensible, relatively speaking) military-industrial ilk of warmonger, rather than the more ideologically fanatical neocon types. This was definitely one of the ideological neocon political aides. It would fit someone like Wolfowitz or Perle, but generally attributed to Rove, I think.

376013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #321 of 1848 🔗

I think that was Karl Rove.

375841 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 13, #322 of 1848 🔗

They actually told us they were going to use the hard hitting emotional messaging again.
Doctors and nurses so busy saving lives but with always time to speak to the camera.
Patients telling us ‘this thing is real’
They even had one who couldn’t talk writing on a white board,
Are the British public really the morons the government are taking us for.

375845 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #323 of 1848 🔗

Also if there really was a highly infectious plague out there would you really go to the epicentre to film it?

376046 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to jonathan Palmer, 13, #324 of 1848 🔗

….more to the point, would they be allowed to go to the epicentre to film it? It seems that families aren’t allowed to visit patients, but camera crews can.

375891 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #325 of 1848 🔗

Are the British public really the morons the government are taking us for .”

I think for the vast majority, the evidence is now in to allow that question to be answered, and the outlook for the response isn’t a good one.

375949 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 9, #326 of 1848 🔗

Yes, they are. Morons, cretins, dupes, doormats, and malevolent with it.

375894 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mark, 12, #327 of 1848 🔗

That is what ITU is, they’re never empty, if they were then they’re not needed.
Walk into any ITU at any time and you will see poorly patients who may or may not live.

375946 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 4, #328 of 1848 🔗

Well said, every word.

376114 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mark, 6, #329 of 1848 🔗

Thank you for your comment what a “hero” is.
English not being my first language, makes me even more aware of words and their meaning.
I looked up the word hero in the thesaurus the other day, and as many words in advertising and journalism, the people who should know better, it is used wrongly.

I quite often challenge people for their choice of words:
These days we use depressed when we feel low.
Hate when we dislike something.
Freezing when there is a cold day in summer.

376401 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Silke David, #330 of 1848 🔗

It used to get me bandying the word hero at every squaddie coming back from a ‘conflict’,

375605 isobar, replying to isobar, 3, #331 of 1848 🔗

Still ‘a long, long way’ until lockdown restrictions can be lifted, Matt Hancock tells Sophy Ridge on Sunday
http://news.sky.com/story/still-a-long-long-way-until-lockdown-restrictions-can-be-lifted-matt-hancock-tells-sophy-ridge-on-sunday-12197246

375611 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to isobar, 5, #332 of 1848 🔗

The lockdowns and restrictions will never be lifted!

375617 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to TheClone, 6, #333 of 1848 🔗

Time for the CRG to get off their backsides and get those letters in!

375650 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to isobar, 3, #334 of 1848 🔗

Is there a group of ministers around Hancock giving him support. Perhaps even an understudy?

From what I see we have a cabal of figure head politicians, a cabinet office with 7,000(?) staff going at it with a gulf between them and any other two-bit footsoldier MP.

375654 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Basics, 2, #335 of 1848 🔗

If there is an understudy, pound to a penny it’s O’Brien!

375612 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to isobar, 4, #336 of 1848 🔗

Prick

375619 ▶▶ Janette, replying to isobar, 7, #337 of 1848 🔗

God how the hell can he be worried about COVID variants that have not been discovered yet???

375626 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 9, #338 of 1848 🔗

He is deliberately destroying the UK.

375632 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to this is my username, 4, #339 of 1848 🔗

And I am sure that he and Bunter know it! But on whose orders?

375717 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, 8, #340 of 1848 🔗

Hancock said he is worried about variants not yet discovered.
Can not one major news programme call them out on this bullshit.

375729 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #341 of 1848 🔗

i am worried about invasion by alien beings from planets not yet discovered

375834 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 1, #342 of 1848 🔗

So am I.Lets never leave the house again.

375960 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #343 of 1848 🔗

Reminds me about the folktale in which an entire community is paralysed with terror at the prospect of harm coming from the falling of an axe that is stuck in an overhead beam. Then an outsider comes along and removes the axe from the beam.

376103 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #344 of 1848 🔗

They weren’t worried by the thousands of variants since March 2020, so why now all of a sudden? Couldn’t be anything to do with sustaining lockdowns and vaccinations could it? 😉

375606 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 9, #345 of 1848 🔗

Are they actually going to do this?? Please make it stop!!

British families returning from foreign holidays will have to pay for an extra 10 days in an airport hotel under heavy guard, in plans backed by the Home Office.

Senior Cabinet ministers are likely to approve a plan to force people returning from overseas to quarantine in a hotel to ensure that they cannot bring variants of Covid-19 back into the UK.

The chief dispute at Cabinet level is whether the hotel quarantine rules apply to all visitors or just to those returning from coronavirus hotspots.

375613 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), replying to Adamb, 10, #346 of 1848 🔗

The final nail in the coffin for the travel industry. We were being stubborn and hanging on so have to up the punishment.

375641 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 6, #347 of 1848 🔗

For sure. I just can’t believe this. Even if it’s watered down to the odd destination, you’re still at the whim of the govt as to which those destinations are and when the list changes.

375832 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Adamb, 5, #348 of 1848 🔗

Once the population realise their Summer holiday in the sun is cancelled again,it might wake a few of them up,but I’m not holding my breath.

376238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to jonathan Palmer, #349 of 1848 🔗

We live in hope that they’ll be unable to unplug themselves….

375661 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sarigan (Day 307 of lockdown), 8, #350 of 1848 🔗

Travel will be for the rich. Inflation will see off the ability of the middle class to travel.

375647 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Adamb, 2, #351 of 1848 🔗

It’s unconstitutional.

Prof. Dolores Cahill – How do you travel without complying to corrupt Government policies?

https://www.facebook.com/reignitedemocracyaustralia/videos/vb.108428954293311/2857102047892269/?type=2&theater

375670 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to this is my username, 2, #352 of 1848 🔗

Who the heck cares about constitution or human (populace) rights? Have you seen any judge questioning the government constitutional” ruling during the last 12mths?

375688 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to TheClone, 1, #353 of 1848 🔗

Not in the UK, but in other countries, yes.

375648 ▶▶ alw, replying to Adamb, 4, #354 of 1848 🔗

Becoming more like the mad Jacinda Arden’s NZ where the quarantine hotels are guarded by the military. Remind you of anything?

375658 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 9, #355 of 1848 🔗

Each extraordinary measure from around the world will come to pass here. These are globalists using the world set up to their advantage. Experiment with one extreme measure here then roll it out once implementation complexities are understood. Countries are not working in isolation that ought to be completely clear. The leaders are working as a team. A globalist team.

375699 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Adamb, 6, #356 of 1848 🔗

Free if you arrive in a rubber dingy.

375798 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #357 of 1848 🔗

Will probably work out cheaper as well by the time you add the costs of tests, quarantine accommodation etc. Last year 8500 came in this way that we know about, so the infrastructure is already there to offer an alternative to flying in.

375859 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Adamb, #358 of 1848 🔗

yes they’ve been throwing this one on the media for a few days now – think it’s being discussed tomorrow by the dictator. Another screw tightening to imprison us. It will not be lifted for a very long time and kill anything left of the travel industry. All the sheep can forget their summer holidays!

375621 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 103, #359 of 1848 🔗

I love this website. It has kept me sane this past year. But as others have observed, in recent days and weeks it is becoming too defensive and conceding too much ground. We must always remember that lockdowns and mass masking has NEVER been part of pandemic planning. This is a mass global experiment. It is not for us to defend our position. It is the lockdown zealots who need to defend their position.

Everything bad which has happened this past year rests on the shoulders of the lockdown zealots. Us sceptics have had no influence on policy. None. It is the zealots who introduced lockdowns, masks, tiers, more lockdowns. If people are dying, it is not our fault. These are not our policies. It is their policies.

Everything they have done – the communication of fear, isolating human beings from each other, forced sedentary lifestyles, restricted healthcare provision, closed businesses, closed schools, ripping up the fabric of society – it all has negative health impacts. And they want more of it. It is all deranged. We must not forget this. We should not be on the defensive. They should be on the defensive. They need to justify their actions. They need to be held to account. Not us.

Rant over.

375625 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tommo, 9, #360 of 1848 🔗

100% true

375635 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tommo, 13, #361 of 1848 🔗

And a very good rant, at that.

(As I’ve observed before, one man’s rant is another’s impassioned statement of vital truth.)

375668 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tommo, 5, #362 of 1848 🔗

Time for that quote again..
“Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence”

375674 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tommo, 11, #363 of 1848 🔗

Named people who contribute atl have been subjected to a barage of personal invective and even official reprimand. Understandable if that has knocked the stuffing out of them. The state is engaged in a strategy of division and scapegoating. Few would volunteer to be the named target of that. How does it end? People with families will want to keep their heads down to some degree.

Maybe there is felt to be a threat of the state closing this site down – though I think that will probably remain most useful as a threat to control the ‘tone’ here, rather than acted upon. If this site were closed down the act would confirm the worst that is speculated btl about our rulers, and we would just congregate elsewhere.

376770 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Ovis, 4, #364 of 1848 🔗

dont know what i would do without lockdown sceptics comments hope i would be able to figure out where else to congregate am .not too good at this . no way will i get the vaccine . never get the flu one . how can people be such lemmings . the masks and vaccine s -no way .

376239 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to Tommo, 3, #365 of 1848 🔗

Well said 👏

376359 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Tommo, 6, #366 of 1848 🔗

What’s happened to this site?
Kow-towing the experimental drug a.k.a the vaccine as a plausible way out of this fiasco …. despite all of us knowing that the Totalitarian Tip Toe of Problem – Reaction – Solution continues with most of us predicting this would be the end result.

376388 ▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Natalie Shay, 2, #367 of 1848 🔗

Yes with many kowtowing to the idea of the experimental drug being taken by “the vulnerable“ not themselves of course.

375622 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #368 of 1848 🔗

Many a true word is spoken in jest…

Democrat States Follow The Science By Doing What Florida Did Back In May

U.S.—Democrat-run states are now calling on the nation to follow the science by doing what Florida did back in May, opening their economies with reasonable precautions and protections for the vulnerable.

The states are all now suggesting we begin reopening and that our economies cannot stay closed forever. They are calling this process “following the science,” though apparently they mean “follow what Republican states like Texas, Florida, and South Dakota did months ago.”

“We must follow the science by doing what Republican states did eight months ago,” said Governor Cuomo. “Now that Biden will be our president, it is time for the pandemic to end.”

There are serious implications if it is found that Democrats purposefully waited till Biden was in power. Everything suggests that they did but it would be very hard to prove.

375662 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #369 of 1848 🔗

It’s so blatant everyone can see it, apart from the deluded few.

375746 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #370 of 1848 🔗

It’s hard to think that’s genuine. Nobody would be that stupid surely.

375925 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #371 of 1848 🔗

Ahh Cuomo from New York – he did the harshest lockdown, made vaccines compulsory, bankrupted New York, then asked for a federal bailout that was declined!

375953 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Victoria, 1, #372 of 1848 🔗

New York did it right…

375930 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #373 of 1848 🔗

Surely this is good news.

If America opens back up, the Buffon will follow, as night follows day.

376179 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2021, #374 of 1848 🔗

Did you check whether that’s real before sharing? It isn’t.

375623 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #375 of 1848 🔗

Flawed reporting at the guardian as they cover Doctors calling for shorter gap between pfiser doese. They write:
“The gap between the first and second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine must be reduced to ensure the vaccine is effective, senior doctors have warned.

“Currently patients wait about three months to get their second dose. Prof Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England, said this was a “public health decision” to get the first jab to more people across the country.”

The Guardian is wrong to write ‘patients wait about three months…’ since the roll out only brgan two month ago at very most. Inaccurate language once again used to bolster the vaccines. Why do they need to be so disingenuous?

The Guardian are not the only ones to be at it. The article continues by quoting BMA chair:

“However, Dr Chaand Nagpaul, chair of the council of the British Medical Association (BMA), said the gap could reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine. He said that while he understood the rationale behind the decision to delay the second dose, the UK should follow “best practice” and reduce the wait time to six weeks.”

Make it up as you merchant Dr Nagpaul is happy to ignore manufacturer designed programme of a four week gap and WHO reccomendation that any delay of the second dose must be in exceptional circumstances only. Admittedly WHO is now a soiled brand and irrelevant as an endorsement to public medicine. Never the less Dr Nagaul is playing it fast and loose with pioneering technology. It is insanity.

The article continues on to talk about concern to keep efficacy in the vaccine treatment! But to accept fiddling with the dose delay is acceptable and required.

““The concern we have … if the vaccine’s efficacy is reduced … then of course the risk is that we will see those who are exposed maximally to the virus may get infected,” he added. “The other worry is that members of the population, those who are at highest risk, may not be protected.””

The article is normalising disregard for manufacturers design, good practice. By fiddling with the protocols any study into effectiveness will be less accurate. This surely must be a priority of any drug trial. Even when the victims don’t know they are being trialled on. It is as shonky as a wild west snake oil sale that just rode into town on the last stagecoach.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/23/doctors-call-shorter-gap-pfizer-covid-vaccine-doses-uk

375667 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Basics, 2, #376 of 1848 🔗

“Flawed reporting from The Guardian” is a bit of a redundancy, doncha think?

375679 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kpaulsmith1463, #377 of 1848 🔗

More flawed reporting. Would have been better.

The continuum continues at the guardian with more flawed reporting…. then I begin. Thanks Ed.

375671 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 6, #378 of 1848 🔗

The Guardian is one of the least balanced of all the mainstream media.

375683 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #379 of 1848 🔗

It is GCHQ in print. The largest readership of the guardian is the BBC staff. The BBC buys to most gaurdians. Subscription.

375687 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Basics, 1, #380 of 1848 🔗

Good enough reason to stop paying for a TV license, then?

375695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve F, 2, #381 of 1848 🔗

One of many!

376306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Basics, 2, #382 of 1848 🔗

Far too many. Even BBC4 is deteriorating now. A documentary about the Victorians last week had to feature someone reading a poem about slavery and colonialism. I think it was Benjamin Zephamiah but he only got as long as it took me to reach the buttons.

375689 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 3, #383 of 1848 🔗

Yes, there was a prominent BBC figure some time ago (I think it was Peter Sissons, though not 100%) who was often sceptical of the BBC’s sources & narrative, and he said said quite often, someone used to give him a copy of the Guardian and say point blank: ‘the news is all in here..’

375880 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Basics, 8, #384 of 1848 🔗

There’s a simple explanation for the GPs reticence, its to do with liability.
Any drug listed in the BNF is licensed, I.e it can be prescribed (POM); dispensed by a pharmacist without prescription (P) or is available as a general sale item(GSL) at a supermarket for example.
There are some drugs that are licensed for condition A but are effective in treating B but are not licensed for that use, however they can still be prescribed for condition B by a GP. This is valid because any GP would do the same.
For the vaccine, and this is based on my understanding.
The vaccine is not licensed, it has received emergency approval only.
This means it has to be prescribed or administered under a patient group directive, where the patient has to meet specific criteria.
The manufacturers have stipulated that the drug should be administered x weeks apart.
However, the government has decided that the x weeks stipulation means that the target for the number of vaccinations cannot be met, and to achieve this y weeks can be used instead. This goes against the details of the emergency approval and the manufacturers instructions. This means that individual GPs or practices are operating outside of the approval and are thus individually liable should anything go wrong.
Unlike unlicensed use, where a GP could demonstrate that his peers would do the same (Bolam test) in this situation there is no precedent and it is unlikely that the courts or the GMC/NMC/HCPC would look kindly on it.

375979 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, #385 of 1848 🔗

Good reading thanks.

The BMA Chair argues for an arbitrary 6 weeks still off manufacturers stated 4 weeks.

I appreciate the GP liablity points you raise. We are in the wild west – a free for all. Follows the MHRA emergency use approval. That in itself was pre approved in my view.

375624 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 9, #386 of 1848 🔗

“…the jury is still out on transmission.”
This even according to the redoubtable Van Tam.
If so, what is the point to the miraculous – and soon to be MANDATORY vaccine, Penfold?

375630 ▶▶ adamsson, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 8, #387 of 1848 🔗

The vaccine passport and social credit system

375637 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to adamsson, 5, #388 of 1848 🔗

I for one couldn’t see any other rational reason then this. What is the exit strategy globally? Will all countries open at the same time or gradually? What does it means gradually? It was easy to shut down one by one last year, the opening will be much harder. Because the end game is control!

375644 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheClone, 2, #389 of 1848 🔗

To ‘open’ the economies and to travel etc. you will need to ‘prove’ you don’t have the flu. Mandatory testing, vaccinations (1 per ‘variant’?) and many of both.

Why this is not applied to Ebola, West Nile, Dengue, Malaria, TB, Diarrhoea, Pneumonic Plague, is an obvious question, considering that Malaria for eg. kills 2 million each year.

375656 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to FerdIII, 3, #390 of 1848 🔗

It is not applied to other illnesses because the number of infected is much smaller. With flu you have a larger population susceptible and it will be much easier to “sell” the vax passport. The same way – they will never approve pills for flu because you might be able to take them by yourself without their control. It is not about any pandemic, it is only about control.

375968 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheClone, 1, #391 of 1848 🔗

If just one of the zombie countries opens up, the domino effect will be immediate.
But which one will be the first? Italy, maybe?

375646 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #392 of 1848 🔗

Thanks, it’s been bugging me for ages who he reminded me of. Penfold indeed.

375749 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #393 of 1848 🔗

so if I call out Pimlico plumbers and catch covid from one of their “employees” can I sue?

375651 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #394 of 1848 🔗

“Why do you want to delay the second jab for 3 months?”

“At the end of three months we will be able to say we have jabbed 10 million people. If we follow the manufacturers directions then at the end of 3 months we will only be able to say have we jabbed 5 million people”

“Yep, I can see the suckers falling for that, do it”

375970 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, #395 of 1848 🔗

But don’t forget to remind said suckers that their magic snake oil won’t get them out of the concentration camp.

375999 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, #396 of 1848 🔗

Someone posted here yesterday to say the ratio of 1st dose to second dose is 10:1

375657 alw, replying to alw, 4, #397 of 1848 🔗

“The UK’s National Health Service (NHS) Director of International Relations Dr. Layla McCay confirmed to talkRADIO that a percentage of hospitalized patients officially counted as positive cases were actually being treated for different illnesses not related to COVID-19. They had only tested positive for the disease at the hospital without displaying any symptoms.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-changes-ccp-virus-test-criteria-in-attempt-to-reduce-false-positives_3668064.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-23-2

375722 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to alw, 4, #398 of 1848 🔗

Why does the NHS need a Director of International Relations? How much is she paid?

375848 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #399 of 1848 🔗

Haven’t been able to find the salary that the post attracts (NHSpay.co.uk indicates that the Chief Executive at a large NHS Trust can expect to trouser £267kpa), but the current incumbent, one Layla McCay, appears to tick two diversity boxes, so that’s good, then.

375920 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #400 of 1848 🔗

tested positive for the disease at the hospital without displaying any symptoms.

So these were false positive tests. – these people did not have Covid

Asymptomatic transmission is biologically implausible ~ Dr Michael Yeadon ~

375995 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #401 of 1848 🔗

Not false positives per say but certainly cold positives returned at high CT levels. A false positive would be expected with any test due to it being sensitive to contamination or cross reactivity with related genetic material. That’s why a papaya can test positive.

The need to assess the cut off CT as appropriate was why the WHO issued their note this week.

375659 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 19, #402 of 1848 🔗

A sad article in the DM tells how someone who followed ALL of the rules has died of Covid, the logic, then is, that the rules are wrong, not that they need to continue.

375813 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, 4, #403 of 1848 🔗

You can follow all the rules of the road but if a juggernaut smashes into you, that’s it.

375944 ▶▶ wendy, replying to DanClarke, 2, #404 of 1848 🔗

But but but …. did anyone tell the virus there were rules!!! Virus will virus people can’t avoid it for ever

376128 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DanClarke, 2, #405 of 1848 🔗

Similarly there was an item the other day about a woman of 96 who recently died ‘from’ covid. Her twin sister said that they’d followed all the rules and barely left the house since last March and were due to be vaccinated. The tone of the article was to criticise the fact that they hadn’t been vaccinated sooner, not to question whether this would suggest lockdown, masks and isolation don’t work.

376173 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #406 of 1848 🔗

So the outcome was that she lost approximately 1% of her life. Great success.

375660 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 32, #407 of 1848 🔗

I want the government to look every single citizen in the UK in the eyes and tell them their suffering was necessary to achieve the worst overall outcome in the world.

375676 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #408 of 1848 🔗

I just want a cost-benefit analysis! With all those “scienties” in SAGE and NERVTAG they should be able to put something together! They are not doing it because they do not care. Not about economy, not about people lives, not about anything!

375691 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to TheClone, 3, #409 of 1848 🔗

They only care about themselves, they are probably among the least affected by the restrictions.

375847 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to TheClone, -1, #410 of 1848 🔗
375677 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #411 of 1848 🔗

Indeed, but at the same time the Labour “opposition”, both Corbyn and Starmer, should be forced to do the same and to tell people that they wanted the suffering to be even greater.

The worst outcome will be if those in government directly responsible for this get away with what they have done, but close behind that will be the outcome in which the hysterical, panicking, totalitarian opposition, who pushed always for faster, harder lockdown idiocy, benefit from their own evil stupidity.

375681 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Mark, 2, #412 of 1848 🔗

This is the beauty of bureaucracy – you are never personally responsible.

375692 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheClone, 2, #413 of 1848 🔗

Yes, so long as you followed the sacred process all is fine and dandy.

375672 alw, replying to alw, 6, #414 of 1848 🔗

The matter which has not been addressed on these pages is giving the so-called vaccine to those in care homes. What about their capacity to consent? Who is advising them, are they capable of making the decision themselves if not who is making the decision on their behalf? What about those who refuse? Are the CQC monitoring? What are the views of the Court of Protection on this?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/9/contents

375711 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to alw, 2, #415 of 1848 🔗

For residents of care homes, my understanding is that there are 3 care categories;

  1. Those that are capable of making the decision for themselves.
  2. Those who have granted power of attorney to a friend or relative
  3. Those who are not capable and with no PoA, it is the responsibility of the local Authority Adult Social Care services.

We had Power of Health Attorney for my mum when she was in a care home and the home were very diligent at seeking our consent on all medical matters.

375819 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Martindale, #416 of 1848 🔗

The mental capacity act (2005) applies.
Any person over the age of 16 is presumed to have capacity.
If there’s a doubt about a person’s capacity then there’s a multistage test, if the person is unable to fulfill all of these conditions then they don’t have capacity.
Note that capacity may be impaired through alcohol, drugs, reduced consciousness as well as mental deficiency.
A person with capacity may appoint a lasting power of attorney for financial and health decisions, these are two distinct role, should they lack capacity at any point in the future.
If a person does not have capacity and has not appointed an LPA then the courts will appoint someone to fulfill that role.
In any case, any decisions made on behalf of the person must be in that person’s best interest.

375837 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, #417 of 1848 🔗

MCA stat guidance has been updated pal. The key phrase (as I see it) is something along the lines of, ‘it is the department’s view that as long as good quality care is being delivered, then that person’s human rights are being upheld’.

Make of that what you will.

375820 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to alw, 1, #419 of 1848 🔗

In order to provide consent, you need to first be informed.

Is the average jab arranger/giver sufficiently qualified to inform someone about the potential risks of an mRNA vaccine? Or do they have the requisite information to be able to advise on the rate of anaphylaxis per 40,000 recipients?

375682 Jo Starlin, 3, #420 of 1848 🔗

I like the image of Hancock next to the pub sign. I got very, very drunk in that pub many years ago.

Edit: Actually “like” is the wrong word. The pub sign brings back good memories but tainted by that creature being next to it.

375685 Janette, replying to Janette, 4, #421 of 1848 🔗

How come we have vaccinated quite a lot of people in the U.K. now yet we have not heard of any adverse reactions and deaths? We have heard of many of these in other countries. Can anyone enlighten me?

375708 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Janette, 8, #422 of 1848 🔗

Any deaths would be counted as Covid.No autopsies so who can say otherwise.Also media suppression of any bad news related to the vaccine rollout.
It beggars belief that 5 million people have been vaccinated and not one death

375957 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #423 of 1848 🔗

The deaths will be put down to ‘covid21’ – as VanTam said in the papers today, people who have been vaccinated can still spread the virus – is this to cover up the fact that the vaccine itself will be spreading it?

375753 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Janette, 10, #424 of 1848 🔗

I’m completely livid at the lack of transparency as I’m sure you all are. It’s part and parcel of the infantilisation of the population “we know best, don’t worry your little heads with the facts and figures”
Without a doubt all medical interventions carry a risk and we deserve to know what that is. Just hiding the facts as if nobody ever has a vaccine injury of any kind only hardens the stance of the sceptic.
I have had a number of vaccinations in my life and will no doubt have more. I have consented to my children having a number of vaccinations when they were not old enough to make those decisions for themselves.
I will not have the Covid vaccine until I have enough data to make a considered cost benefit analysis for myself. That is likely to be 2023 or later if they keep hiding the data.

375814 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Janette, 2, #425 of 1848 🔗

They seem to think “we’re rolling out so quickly and in such a disorganised manner that we’re not able to keep track of it” is a reasonable excuse. Ludicrous.

376154 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tee Ell, #426 of 1848 🔗

A £1.5m contract was awarded last autumn to GenPactUK to come up with an artificial intelligence system to monitor adverse reactions to the vaccine, principally to identify any unusual or worrying trends.

https://pharmaphorum.com/news/mhra-looks-to-ai-to-hunt-for-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/

I wonder how this is going.

375908 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janette, 3, #427 of 1848 🔗

They will always say that deaths/disability have nothing to do with the vaccine. Only people that fight the system might eventually get compensation

The government did the same with the swine flu vaccine where around 90 children got narcolepsy (permanent brain damage to the centre that controls sleep) – they fought these claims all the way and only settled after about 5 years due to massive public pressure

375686 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #428 of 1848 🔗

It’s funny how the road to a perfect society always seems to lead to a mountain of corpses, whether it’s communism, fascism or covidianism.

375703 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #429 of 1848 🔗

The “clever” people who think they know how society should be rebuilt for the greater good, just aren’t as clever as they think they are. And they get pretty murderous when their noses are rubbed in that unwelcome truth.

375825 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Mark, 2, #430 of 1848 🔗

100%

375821 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #431 of 1848 🔗

As I’ve posted before, a quote from Toby in the past:

“Socialism* always starts with good intentions, but ends up with people eating their pets”

*or fascism, authoritarianism or covidianism etc

375853 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jo Starlin, #432 of 1848 🔗

Great for ants not great for humans.

375976 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, #433 of 1848 🔗

Do ants get furlough when their hills are shut down?

375693 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #434 of 1848 🔗

Fucked them up again yesterday evening, me and the Bro’s down at the KFC drive thru WW2,full face helmets, muffle scarfs, the tail back right down the car park back on to the street, fuming customers and manager out of his mind with panic, saying”This covid thing is pissing me off it’s getting out of hand” couldn’t agree more.. Fuck it was bloody cold but I must admit we did enjoy them buckets..

375704 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #435 of 1848 🔗

First good laugh of the day, thanks!

375809 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #436 of 1848 🔗

Macdonalds next?

376021 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to arfurmo, 4, #437 of 1848 🔗

Yes that one will happen very soon..

375868 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #438 of 1848 🔗

Can you deploy your network and get some of your bro’s over my way to get involved?
(West Berkshire)

375697 davews, replying to davews, 14, #439 of 1848 🔗

I am convinced my enthusiasm to have quite long daily walks is one reason why I have continued to be of good health right through this nightmare. My mental health is something else of course. A couple of years ago when I had my annual checkup with my GP he was absolutely impressed that I was at that time doing the London Loop and walking 10 mile sections of that. A year later, when he maybe was aware of the bombshell that was about to hit us he was decidedly less helpful and made no comment even though I pointed out to him that I had now finished that exercise and doing other walks. A few weeks later they bolted the front gate of the surgery firmly shut and it has remained so ever since. If I ever get my annual checkup this year I doubt it will be even mentioned.

Snowing here at the moment but still determined I will get out later, I have not missed a single day yet.

375710 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to davews, 9, #440 of 1848 🔗

We have to keep as fit as we can. I’ve had stretches of eating very badly and I’m still drinking way more than I should, but I’ve managed to get back into better eating habits and am taking an evening walk in the cold air on top of my routine with the dog.

375980 ▶▶ Annie, replying to davews, 2, #441 of 1848 🔗

Brilliant, dave, go and enjoy the snow.

375987 ▶▶ Basics, replying to davews, 3, #442 of 1848 🔗

Enjoy the winter winderland as you pass through it. Walking is a pleasure.

375701 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #443 of 1848 🔗

Imagine if Lockdown Sceptics didn’t exist.

People like Neil O’Brien would likely be cock-a-hoop about it. But he like many others apear to be under the illusion that if this site didn’t exist the thoughts and ideas would cease to exist.

This of course is a fallacy. Most people I talk to are not happy with the way things are. They think like me that it’s been blown way out of proportion. Many of the thoughts I express on here I often find others discussing elsewhere which tells me that my thoughts are not unique.

I see little difference in what O’Brien has been trying to do and a what a would be dictator would do. The little people should just do as they’re told, if only they’d stop thinking for themselves.

My opinion for what it’s worth is that anybody with extreme views should not be in postions of power. O’Brien is one such person. There are others but since he has taken it upon himself to show his true colours I feel it only fair to highlight them.

375742 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #444 of 1848 🔗

I love that people like him are sticking their head above the parapet. Obviously feels emboldened but also insecure in equal measure. Otherwise he wouldn’t go to the trouble.

If someone like him is going to blatantly offer themselves as a scalp, then who are we to deny that?

376250 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #445 of 1848 🔗

“Most people I talk to are not happy with the way things are”…..lucky you!! Most of the people I know think myself and husband are mentally ill for our sceptic views…..they are chained to the altar of lockdown and prepared to sacrifice anything it seems. Even a member of my family is complacent in the mental health issues lockdown is having on his children 😮

375705 Hrothgar1722, replying to Hrothgar1722, 3, #446 of 1848 🔗

Interesting about the REACT peer reviews.

Surely there’s an easier solution. Can’t Imperial just publish those papers through Eurosurveillance. They seem to have a market leading next day peer review service. Obviously working to those timescales means some stuff might get missed – like earlier papers published by the same author, which substantially contradict the new paper – but it at least allows Imperial / PHE to tick off the peer review requirement.

375977 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hrothgar1722, 1, #447 of 1848 🔗

The next day service seems only open to the board of eurosurveillance

375706 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #448 of 1848 🔗

The “temporary” Covid Act comes up for review in March any takers that it’ll be repealed then?

Remember income tax was only temporary.

375738 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #449 of 1848 🔗

Not a hope

375745 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #450 of 1848 🔗

The English facemask regs are due to be reviewed this month, has that happened?
The Coronavirus act makes lots of admin changes and changes to death registrations etc but it does not impact on lockdowns or facemasks and so I expect it will continue until they can revert to previous death registration procedures.
All the facemask and lockdown regs are made under the Public Health Act, this was always intended to take positive action against disease not precautionary actions on the healthy. It will not be easy but I think we need to push for the lockdown/facemask regs to be turned round to be more to do with protecting the sick and the vulnerable rather than locking up the healthy.
The item in today’s lockdown news about turning the facemask regs round to being a recommendation to the vulnerable to wear full surgical masks would be a step in this direction. Similarly now the vulnerable have been vaccinated/protected, the grounds for continuing the Coronavirus regs get less.
We live in hope!

375768 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #451 of 1848 🔗

Repealed? Are you kidding? It will be extended! With another 6-12 to help NHS!

375854 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheClone, #452 of 1848 🔗

yer its just a bit of cloth.

375709 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 8, #453 of 1848 🔗

Not sure if true, someone sent me this…
. comment image

375802 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #454 of 1848 🔗

I’ve gone onto Fullfact.org but can’t find the 7386 -Can anyone help, please?

375849 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 1, #455 of 1848 🔗

Call Marianna Spring, she has the data.

375966 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, #456 of 1848 🔗

Full fact is the source for the 80,000 deaths. Not the 8,000.

376792 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #457 of 1848 🔗

It is the ‘with’ / ‘from’ effect. I know of 7 people who have died since early 2020, 3 suicides, 2 untreated cancer remission, and 2 covid – one aged 85 and the other 105. I would classify the 2 covid cases as ‘with’, as a serious flu, etc would be as likely to had the same result.

375833 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to captainbeefheart, #458 of 1848 🔗

Great question.

the 28 days should be scrapped

375867 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #459 of 1848 🔗

For the first “wave” I predicted 10% of deaths would actually be what was called a “Covid” death. At the time I said about 4000 to 5000 as the toll was around 47,000. They’ve now doubled up seasons so it seems about right.

375718 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 21, #461 of 1848 🔗

Morning All

Had a look at the ‘we’re the good guys and LSs are nasty evil people’ website. Not convinced, they must try harder.

It’s interesting to note the questions that we ask they that omitted to ‘debunk’, for example:

  1. If Lockdowns work, please explain what happened in Sweden vs UK. South Dakota vs North Dakota, Florida vs New York state etc?
  2. If this virus is so deadly, then why does it not rank higher on the league table of all-time killer viruses?
  3. Why is it morally acceptable to deprive basic freedoms to the vast majority of the population, most of whom are not at risk?
  4. Where’s the cost/benefit analysis of lockdowns in pounds, shillings and pence?

I’m sure that you clever folk will have other better questions than these?

Have a good Sunday fellow amazing Lockdown Sceptics. Keep up the good fight. The truth will out.

375831 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #462 of 1848 🔗

May I add: Where is the medical and psychological cost/benefit analysis?
If they had done one, it would have been even worse than the disastrous economic one, which obviously feeds into the medical and psychological one too.

376178 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #463 of 1848 🔗

Why did the UK Government remove SARS CoV2 from the official list of High Consequence Infectious Diseases two days prior to the commencement of the first lockdown in March 2020?

I skimmed the list of the ‘sceptical’ points being refuted and decided none of it was worth reading when I saw their endeavour to deny that ‘Lockdowns cause more deaths than they prevent’.

376806 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Dodderydude, #464 of 1848 🔗

To pre-empt compensation claims from NHS staff (my guess).

376802 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #465 of 1848 🔗

5 – Look in the eyes of the relatives of those who died from suicide, withheld treatment or being kicked out of hospital into care homes and tell them it was ‘a price worth paying'(+).

+ – as explained by Madelaine Albright when asked about the 500,000 Iraqi civilians killed by the US (and lick-spittle hangers-on) during Operation Iraqi Liberation launched in response to Hussein’s alleged (but knowingly non-existent) WMDs.

375721 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 2, #466 of 1848 🔗

Really ! This is like kicking the can down the road, urban dictionary – i f you kick the can down the road, you delay a decision in hopes that the problem or issue will go away or somebody else will make the decision later.

People who have received a Covid-19 vaccine could still pass the virus on to others and should continue following lockdown rules, England’s deputy chief medical officer has warned.
Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Prof Jonathan Van-Tam stressed that scientists “do not yet know the impact of the vaccine on transmission”. He said vaccines offer “hope” but infection rates must come down quickly.
Prof Van-Tam said “no vaccine has ever been” 100% effective, so there is no guaranteed protection.
It is possible to contract the virus in the two- to three-week period after receiving a jab, he said – and it is “better” to allow “at least three weeks” for an immune response to fully develop in older people.
“Even after you have had both doses of the vaccine you may still give Covid-19 to someone else and the chains of transmission will then continue,” Prof Van-Tam said.

I have picked out the issues in the article, read the full version.

375728 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to cloud6, #467 of 1848 🔗

I was unable to get past the paywall. Any ideas if he references Porton Down. Back in December JVT said they were undertaking research to see if the vaccines stop transmission with a view to reporting Mid Jan.

375751 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #468 of 1848 🔗

disallow java script for telegraph.co.uk in your browser settings

375734 ▶▶ Julian, replying to cloud6, 15, #469 of 1848 🔗

It didn’t take them long to start back-pedalling

It seems like there was never any intention from SAGE to approve a return to normality after the vaccine was rolled out

SAGE are now effectively running the country given that the cabinet are variously spineless, stupid or power-mad

375780 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Julian, 1, #470 of 1848 🔗

SAGE IS effectively running the country given that the cabinet are variously spineless, stupid or power-mad. Fixed for you.

376123 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to TheClone, #471 of 1848 🔗

Prescriptivists are the worst.

376808 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to TheClone, #472 of 1848 🔗

I would argue it is SAGE and NERVTAG. SAGE consults NERVTAG for answers about ‘the sceince’. NERVTAG is host to the Mad Modeller, who is stilll totally puzzled why the world insists on not conforming to His Model.

375811 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #473 of 1848 🔗

Sage are doing the governments bidding.They always have.They give their police state a scientific veneer.

376811 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to jonathan Palmer, #474 of 1848 🔗

The public SAGE people are politicians first, with a veneer of ‘medical respectibility’.

375764 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to cloud6, 12, #475 of 1848 🔗

If the vulnerable have been protected by the vaccine so that people did not get serious covid and if we stopped testing, we could live in blissful ignorance of this virus as it would have no impact on human activity. If the vulnerable are protected surely we are now OK to let this thing transmit wherever it wishes, what’s the problem?

376816 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Martindale, #476 of 1848 🔗

Where’s the profit in that? This is all about the Benjamins. Greenbacks by the bundle.

376960 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #477 of 1848 🔗

C, D, Zinc &c

HCQ, Ivermectin &c

375828 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to cloud6, #478 of 1848 🔗

Makes yo wonder why they vaccinate people!

Focus should be: Increase Immune systems

376194 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to cloud6, 1, #479 of 1848 🔗

What I don’t get is how did the drug developers ‘demonstrate’ with any degree of confidence that the vaccine even reduces symptoms? Surely this is an arbitrary evaluation. Who is to say what severity of symptoms someone out of all the (all healthy) people in the trial might have had if they hadn’t been vaccinated? Many people opposed to the vaccine for a number of valid reasons seem to accept this claim without question, but is there a scientific basis for it?

375723 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #480 of 1848 🔗

Seeing as it’s Oxford University carrying out the Principle trial programme for Ivermectin I don’t hold any hope they will find the drug useful. in fact they will probably say it’s dangerous and ban it!

375736 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Andrew K, 3, #481 of 1848 🔗

Haven’t Oxford been more on the side of sanity so far? Gupta and Heneghan are Oxford aren’t they?

375739 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #482 of 1848 🔗

Oxford sponsered by Bill Gates and fon’t forget the vaccine they’re helped develop.

375744 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Andrew K, 1, #483 of 1848 🔗

Fair points.

376821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Jo Starlin, #484 of 1848 🔗

The Oxford vaccine is conventional unlike the totally experimental Pfizer/Moderna concoctions. This scam has enabled them to get mass testing of their drugs carried out at no cost to them. They also have total legal immunity should there be actionable consequences.

375772 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #485 of 1848 🔗

The Heneghan department has nothing to do with this trial.
Better question is; as Ivermectin ( and HCQ) have been known for months ( a year) to help why has it taken so long to trial? Answer, the so-called vaccines are not able to immunise, so alternative remedies are now required to get politicians of the hook.

375896 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 5, #486 of 1848 🔗

If these prophylactic treatments were approved before the vaccines we would not now be running a vaccination programme. For, as I understand it, to be approved the vaccines would therefore had to have shown how they would confer a greater benefit, in efficacy and cost, in combating Covid-19. Instead, as no other treatment was officially recognised and recommended for treating Covid-19, the vaccines could get emergency approval.

Now, that to me would raise the suspicion of corporate capture rather than independent regulation.

375787 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #487 of 1848 🔗

It’s been suggested that Oxford (Peter Horby) might have deliberately sabotaged their own HCQ trials, if I remember correctly.

375936 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #488 of 1848 🔗

Why Horby is not facing manslaughter charges is beyond me.

375800 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew K, 5, #489 of 1848 🔗

Tactic for HCQ trials was to load trial participants with extraordinarily high doses then claim it is dangerous and toxic. In the same way that overdosing on anything from vitamin c to heroin is dangerous and toxic.

Perhaps the arguement could be the committees running the trials are themselves dangerous and toxic.

376204 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basics, 1, #490 of 1848 🔗

And they carried out the trials on people who were already very ill with covid, whilst knowing that the benefits were for patients in the early stages of illness. And they also didn’t use the HCQ in conjunction with zinc which many US doctors believed to be the important factor in the therapeutic process.

375823 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 5, #491 of 1848 🔗

Indeed. So many ways to set up a trial to fail. Hey ho who cares about saving lives.

The South African drug regulator recently banned Ivermectin – The Gates foundation donation provided 90% of their income ……

South Africa can’t afford the vaccine but they banned a cheap drug that successfully treat this virus

375724 Glodzie, replying to Glodzie, 14, #492 of 1848 🔗

I have been looking in detail at the ONS monthly mortality report for England and Wales produced on 18th January.

I believe these officially published figures support the often expressed concern over the accuracy of cause of death attribution. In summary:

Total Deaths 607210
Average of previous 5 Years death numbers (“Expected” deaths) 530862

=> “Excess” deaths (as reported by ONS) 76348

This is similar to the reported COVID deaths of 75642 so looks superficially neat and consistent. However I think it is misleading.

However, using average death numbers to calculate “Excess” deaths is fundamentally flawed as the calculation should really be based on mortality rates in order to reflect changes in demographics. Fortunately this report gives these rates (per 100,000 by month by age cohort) basis going back 20 years and it is relatively straightforward to do this calculation.

One would expect this to result in a higher figure for “Expected” deaths in 2020 than 530,000 due to increases in population and changed age profile (the population of the 0-74 age group has grown by c 7% in five years and the cohort over 75 b c 10%).

I calculate this to be 560173 (rather than 530862). I am happy to have the arithmetic challenged but the difference is significant and deserves scrutiny.

Total Deaths 607210
Deaths based on average 5yr Mortality (“Expected” deaths) 560173

=> “Excess” deaths 47037

I.e. 30000 less than reported above.

.
Further, the same ONS report has detailed sections that shows a decline in 2020 mortality from some major causes (eg. heart disease, strokes and some cancers). This is really problematic because the reduced access to the NHS from lockdown would surely have resulted in the opposite. I have seen estimates of 20,000 used for this increase in non-COVID deaths.

If this is the case, it only leaves 27000 “Excess” deaths to be explained by COVID. Which is a long way from 76000.

This data discrepancy can only be caused by a combination of:

a) misattribution of COVID as the cause of death
b) a genuine reduction in non COVID deaths in 2020
c) or COVID causing the deaths of someone who was likely to die anyway.

In the end the only death figures I believe feel I can trust are all-cause mortality rates. These are consistently showing that these are less than the headline reporting of COVID deaths would suggest and, in my opinion, well within the parameters a competent health service should be planning for.

Sorry for the loss of formatting by the way.

375766 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Glodzie, 1, #493 of 1848 🔗

Well done. Good anaysis. If the age of population, growth overall and reduction in ‘other non-covid deaths’ is done completely accurately, there is NO increase in excess deaths at all.
Its a shame this site does not publish the stats updated monthly which show this clearly. Other sites, no longer operational, used to. The stats are still produced.

375785 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Glodzie, 4, #494 of 1848 🔗

Your adjusted excess death figure must be getting close to the excess deaths in April/May 2020 when this hoo-haa started.
In my view many governments of previous years would be looking at currently weekly death figures and deciding there was absolutely no need for dramatic public health action just perhaps a report and a suggestion of up-dating health guidance.
Unfortunately official action and response seems to be totally based on the daily scary covid deaths within 28 days figure. Nobody seems to be listening to rational logical debate or analysis and nobody is making perceptive strategic decisions on running the country.

375725 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #495 of 1848 🔗

Peer review.

Always worth remembering that the peer review process is, for the most part, a sham. It’s no better than asking your mates to check your homework in their spare time. I.e. not rigorous and very prone to bias.

375824 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #496 of 1848 🔗

So true!

375876 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #497 of 1848 🔗

Even when you intentionally request independent reviewers it is stil only an entry process. The standard for something been correct hasn’t changed in centuries.

375726 James Leary #KBF, 6, #498 of 1848 🔗

Fanatical supporters of the NHS and of its needs and reach within the country, remind me of those in Germany between the wars who became Nazi Party members, and used the Party to justify overreach into every corner of society. You didn’t HAVE to be a member, but you wouldn’t advance if you weren’t, and if you were a member and screwed up it would be counted as collateral damage as happens when a great movement advances. The same sort of lies and propaganda are being produced now, and the country is now in orbit around what should be merely an adjunct to the State at best. No – of course it couldn’t happen here! Guardian readers may substitute Stalin’s Russia, if it makes them feel better.

375730 Jo Starlin, 8, #499 of 1848 🔗

Protect the NHS. Think of those Equality and Diversity Strategy Managers heroically fighting to save lives on a mere £54,000 a year and an initial 30 days annual leave.

Heartwarmingly: sick pay is easy to get as long as you follow the sickness policy in your departments”

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salary/NHS-Equality-and-Diversity-Strategy-Manager-Salaries-E12873_D_KO4,43.htm

All hail Our Enaychess!

375731 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, -10, #500 of 1848 🔗

I wish people would moderate their language on this site. If you they use intemperate language it simply undermines what they have to say. If they have a poverty of language I can not help but think they have a poverty of thought.

375737 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ned of the Hills, 18, #501 of 1848 🔗

People are rightfully angry and express their views accordingly

375740 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #502 of 1848 🔗

You sound like a snob. I think your conclusion is rather rudimentary.

375778 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #503 of 1848 🔗

I’m working class – or I like to think so. One grandfather a miner, ‘tother a road worker, father a factory worker, first home a Nissan hut. No Lord Snooty I – though I own I once were a teacher – briefly. Ee, but I’m chuckled to be called a snob – ‘cos that’s never been thrown at me afore. For this much thanks.

375792 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #504 of 1848 🔗

Nissen hut? Luxury.

376034 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #505 of 1848 🔗

Japanese car dealership?

375956 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #506 of 1848 🔗

“.. though I own I once were a teacher… “

Ah that’s the problem then!

I haven’t met many yet (and I know a few) that aren’t pompous.

Apologies to those who may be here, who aren’t.

376033 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ned of the Hills, #507 of 1848 🔗

This is a good illustration of the fact that the majority of people who come here do not know each other at all and are often misunderstood.

376092 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, #508 of 1848 🔗

The short-form written word is a terrible way of conversing… it’s why emojis are such a good thing, as infantile as they may seem.

375748 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ned of the Hills, 20, #509 of 1848 🔗

Bollocks.

375756 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #510 of 1848 🔗

Too fucking right, Tom. When I use a word it has exactly the effect I intend it to have.

375992 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #511 of 1848 🔗

Humpty-fucking-Dumpty!

376037 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, #512 of 1848 🔗

Hmm, I think Ned had a point.

376036 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #513 of 1848 🔗

Oh snap… just posted same.. should have read down.

But anyway, +1

375761 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ned of the Hills, 40, #514 of 1848 🔗

What do you suggest to those of us who are on the brink of losing everything say then “Oh, I say old chap would you refrain from all this lockdown nonsense”.

I don’t know if you have noticed, but it has been nearly a year since we were shut down as a society. The time for politesse has long gone. They are wreaking domestic terrorism on us.

375762 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ned of the Hills, 17, #515 of 1848 🔗

Sometimes there are no mild words to discuss what is being done.

375763 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #516 of 1848 🔗

I wish people would accurately use grammar and syntax on this site. If you they use bad grammar it simply undermines what they have to say.

375782 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, 1, #517 of 1848 🔗

I wasn’t going to point that out, but seeing as you have…..

375790 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mj, 2, #518 of 1848 🔗

Pretty unfair criticism. Few of us who comment regularly are in a position to throw stones on such typos and proof-reading oversights.

375852 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mark, 3, #519 of 1848 🔗

tongue was firmly in cheek !

375863 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mj, #520 of 1848 🔗

Fair enough.

Obviously the criticism struck home too personally for me, for my sense of humour to operate efficiently…

376064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, #521 of 1848 🔗

I think you’re being too hard on yourself.

It was hardly clear that mj was not being serious.

376062 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to mj, #522 of 1848 🔗

It was?

375990 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 3, #523 of 1848 🔗

Yes, you must avoid killing granma.

376054 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Annie, #524 of 1848 🔗

I think mj is more concerned with killing grammar.

376050 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to mj, #525 of 1848 🔗

Sorry, that’s not going to happen. Most of the time with me it’s down to typos. I try to correct them, but inevitably sometimes I miss them.

My command of the Queen’s tongue may not be perfect in any event, but I console myself with my A grade in English Language O Level.

375773 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #526 of 1848 🔗

I understand where you are coming from, Ned. However, I think a bit of immoderate/intermperate language helps some of us to let of a bit of the pressure that we are all feeling. Better to let it out! This place is great for sharing information and insights and having reasoned debate but it’s also the only place where some of us can express our thoughts and feelings without censure. We can all take what we need from this forum, surely?

375775 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #527 of 1848 🔗

In truth, such language serves a purpose, and the less it is used the greater the effect. There can be no doubt that lockdown justifies the harshest possible language, in principle, but whether it’s useful to deploy it in any particular case is open to question.

I suppose we all make different judgments about when it is appropriate to deploy it, and we all are judged by how often we do so. I’d be a lot more affected by guy153 calling Hancock a cunt than by biker or chaos doing so, for instance.

375776 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #528 of 1848 🔗

I think at times strong language is a fair reflection of the strength of sentiment.

375989 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #529 of 1848 🔗

I like to recall Winston Smith’s opinion that Julia’s
bad language when discussing the Party is a healthy reaction, like the snorting of a horse that smells bad hay.
And as a serendipitous advantage, I’m learning lots of new words and expressions. Most salutary for a linguist.

375777 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #530 of 1848 🔗

This site doesn’t censor. If people are exasperated the language can be colourful. Under the circumstances I really don’t mind and occasionally indulge myself, but usually with a few asterisks.

375889 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #531 of 1848 🔗

It’s part of my culture Ned. In Ireland some of the best swear words are not actually bad words at all. And some of the stronger phrases are not ever taken as being harmful.

In England when I moved over almost 20 years ago, “Wise Up” was taken rather thickly. Like it was an attack on someone’s sensibility. Whereas in Belfast it just means to mind yourself. We even have adverts with it.

375903 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mhcp, 2, #532 of 1848 🔗

Similar up here in Scotland. Swearing is almost a way of expressing affection.

If your friends take offence at bad language then you’re probably not very good friends.

376028 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ned of the Hills, #533 of 1848 🔗

You maybe have a point.

Sometimes for emphasis or if I am feeling particularly annoyed I will use “bad” language here. But not always.

You don’t make the rules though.

376029 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #534 of 1848 🔗

Being offended is a personal choice. Why should I police myself so that I don’t hurt your feelings? Why don’t you get your feelings under control instead? Your feelings are your problem.

376030 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #535 of 1848 🔗

Bollocks.

376040 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #536 of 1848 🔗

lol, Ned what have you done?

376048 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #537 of 1848 🔗

If they have a poverty of language I can not help but think they have a poverty of thought.

Reflect on that, why don’t you, sir. And read some Chaucer, perhaps washed down with some Joyce.

376427 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #538 of 1848 🔗

Bollox!

376432 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Woden, 1, #539 of 1848 🔗

And.. try telling that to Biker who shows a richness of thought.

375733 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #540 of 1848 🔗

The advert is called COVID-19 Vaccine – It’s time to roll up our sleeves. It’s a Scottish Government advert that I saw on youtube but I presume is aired on TV also (however I do not watch mainstream news).

COVID-19 Vaccine – It’s time to roll up our sleeves – subtitled – YouTube

The advert makes two specific claims that I believe are misleading:-

1. “The evidence shows it works” (0:05) – The pfizer vaccine had c.44000 participants, half in the placebo group half in the vaccine group. Placebo received 162 infections, vaccinated received 8 infections. This resulted in a 95% efficacy rate (i.e. 95% less infections than placebo). This is well and good however it requires two doses to be administered within 21 days. The Scottish Government have went off the manufacturers guidelines and will administer with 84 days. Covid in Scotland: Medics concerned over 12-week gap between vaccine doses – BBC News How can they then say it works?
The astra zeneca virus shows a poorer efficacy rate at 62% across the whole vaccine trial. However, it did show an efficacy of 90% with an amended dosing protocal. That said the sample size of this protocal was only c.2800 and was delivered to only under 55s. Again though, the Scottish Government have went off the manufacturers guidelines and will administer within 84 days. How can they then say it works?  Across both vaccine trials the majorirty of participants were 18-55. We are vaccinating the elderly first!
How can they say it works when it has barely been trialled on the population due to be vaccinated first on a dosing schedule out with the recommendations of the manufacturer?

2. “This vaccine has been through the same safety checks as any other” (00:13) – This is blatantly misleading. The vaccines have been given emergency authorisation based on the currenty safety levels. The trials are ongoing and will be adapted according to older cohorts, ethnicity, dose regimen, and timing of booster vaccines.

Anyone care to fact check the above before sending off to ASA?

375758 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #541 of 1848 🔗

Nah, just send it.

They will ignore it anyway as they did when I pointed out to them that every governemnt adverts stating that a positive test was a “case” was wrong and basically a lie – even sent them the FOI clearly stating this – but nothing happened.

Maybe worth a shot at it again now they seem to be taking a little bit of notice.

375779 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #542 of 1848 🔗

Cheers. Sent now!

375818 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #543 of 1848 🔗

In the spirit of being one helluva black kettle here – chuck in a paragraph break here and there. Let ASA have oxygen in their head to think, tgey’ll be reading behind a mask as it it.

It’s a good and sound statement you make. Nice one.

375934 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #544 of 1848 🔗

The problem with Pfizer’s claim is that the stated prevalence is less than 1% for their group. Which is within the error rate of a PCR test. So how they determined that people had the virus is important. If they waited for full on symptoms then there might be a better case plus it would also show the NHS and others how to actually attribute Covid.

But I believe they used PCR and even with retest it still suffers from a noise problem.

The biggest take away is that very very few people seem to have caught it so what’s the point of the vaccine?

376215 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to mhcp, #545 of 1848 🔗

I agree fully with your comment. And, as I have just posted in the context of an earlier comment, I can’t see how they can claim to adjudge than someone’s symptoms are less serious than they would have been without the vaccine.

375735 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 37, #546 of 1848 🔗

Sceptics are coming under increasing crticism says this site, many times in many ways.
And boy can you tell from the increasingly anodyne nature of the articles!
Its almost becoming apologistic.
‘We are all shocked by ICUs and will be indebted for ever’, its the same every year at this time, that is not the point.
Masks might be OK if they are for self protection. No , masks are never OK because they don’t do any good at all.
QALY is never about economics. Rubbish, its always about economics.
Etc Etc.
First bit of concerted criticism and there is a rush to cover arse.
Perhaps its true, this site is only interested in ‘lockdowns’ in the strictest narrowest sense. I am not, I am against the use of fear being used to close down society using the flimiest of logic surrounding a non-fatal virus to 99.8% of the population. I suspect most people visiting this site are similarly inclined.

375752 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to peyrole, 16, #547 of 1848 🔗

Toby is a member of the Establishment, probably has sizeable debt to service, and has his future career and the long-term economic security of his family to think of. We are fortunate that LS exists at all.

376005 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #548 of 1848 🔗

Oh really? I didn’t know that you could be a card carrying member of the “Establishment”.

I always thought it was a loosely defined term for the liberal so-called “ruling” class.

In short, and with respect, I disagree with what you are saying here.

376083 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #549 of 1848 🔗

If Toby is a member of the establishment I must be eligible too! How do I join? I presume membership will open up access to the best clubs of St James’s, and the MCC, and, I would hope, come with a peerage or at least a knighthood.

375759 ▶▶ iane, replying to peyrole, -14, #550 of 1848 🔗

Yes, one sometimes wonders (horrific thought) if this site is primarily a money-making venture!

375781 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to iane, 6, #551 of 1848 🔗

I very much doubt it . No advertising revenue, no paywall . How many here never contribute.

375783 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to iane, 3, #552 of 1848 🔗

Wouldn’t concern me over much if it were, except for what it would imply about its durability). That it exists is what is important.

375789 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to iane, 6, #553 of 1848 🔗

There’s no money to be made from a site like this.

375799 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to iane, 7, #554 of 1848 🔗

For one, I hope that Toby and team make a good living from doing this. They deserve it and I doubt very much that it’ll be enough compensation for the time and effort, especially considering the incoming they receive.

375996 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #555 of 1848 🔗

Anybody who works to get the new material up before 5am deserves a bonus, IMO.

376015 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #556 of 1848 🔗

“For one, I hope that Toby and team make a good living from doing this.”

I would doubt it. When Toby advertised for new writers I think he said £75 per day.

You would have to have a very cynical view of human motivation and Toby’s in particular to think that he set up this site to make money.

375843 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to iane, 6, #557 of 1848 🔗

Why should Toby and team work for nothing? and people like doctors, Ferguson, SAGE etc all be on guaranteed high salaries and pensions? Shame on you

376020 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, 1, #558 of 1848 🔗

If you are self employed (as I am) there is no guaranteed income.

It’s not a right.

376008 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to iane, #559 of 1848 🔗

This one does not.

376176 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to iane, 1, #560 of 1848 🔗

What an unpleasant comment. Hopefully we can put it down to the government’s deliberate behaviour re-conditioning you have been subjected to for 10 months, and you accidentally forgot to ‘reset’ your response to a more normal rational one? Many of us would have probably gone under by now if it wasn’t for this site, and I for one am extremely grateful to Toby and his colleagues for keeping it going 7 days a week. I bet our collective contributions barely cover costs and expenses.

375919 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to peyrole, 6, #561 of 1848 🔗

There are a lot of tripwires around for the unwary. I understand the desire to widen it out but it has its dangers. The team do a good job. Day after day, informative stats, commentary etc keeps coming. For free.
Maybe it’s your expectations to blame? It’s a great site. The occasional more contentious post hardly warrants your general criticism IMHO.

376343 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #562 of 1848 🔗

‘my expectations to blame’. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this comment. Its a bit like saying the anti-lockdown argument is to blame for covid deaths. I am at fault for wanting freedom?
And if you can’t criticise a site’s apparent drift, then its just not worth the effort of your attention.
A lot of the stats are provided in the comments section , not the body of the articles. My major criticism of the site is that it does not provide regularly updated stats which presented clearly can give a lie to almost all the propoganda surrounding covid. This could form the basis of an information source available to everyone who can use it to promulgate the message far and wide. Its a very big missed opportunity.
Other smaller sites have tried to do this for a limited period. This site seems to have the resources to do it consistently if it made it a priority. But too often the time seems to be spent on articles about personalities, which is a failure of all MSMs as well.

376367 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to peyrole, 1, #563 of 1848 🔗

The kow-towing is terrifying, James Delingpole has been ribbing Toby since the beginning about his Beta-Maleness. It takes James O’Keefe balls of steel to continue sticking two fingers up to the State machine. . . real dissidents never concede and let the absurdity of their enemy reveal itself.

375741 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 9, #564 of 1848 🔗

At last some snow that might settle.

STAY HOME PEOPLE! SNOWBALLS CAN TRANSMIT THE VIRUS!!

Hopefully, Ampthill park will be heaving 🙂

375765 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to captainbeefheart, #565 of 1848 🔗

I was disappointed that last weekend’s predicted snowfall here didn’t really amount to anything. I was really looking forward to families out in the parks enjoying it. Maybe today?

375774 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to WasSteph, 4, #566 of 1848 🔗

had some snow today. I’ve got a couple of inches but then it is cold

375791 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mj, 6, #567 of 1848 🔗

Are you flirting with me? 😉

375815 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to WasSteph, 1, #568 of 1848 🔗

wouldn’t dream of being so forward 🙂

375816 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to mj, 1, #569 of 1848 🔗

Or admitting that you have got a couple of inches 😂

376846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #570 of 1848 🔗

Length, girth, diameter or radius?

375771 ▶▶ leggy, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #571 of 1848 🔗

About to head out sledging with my lad. We can’t have every joy in life denied, despite the best efforts of the powers that be.

375796 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #572 of 1848 🔗

Me and Mrs 2-6 are going to go for a walk to watch some sledgers in the park today. I hope it’s RAMMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

375858 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #573 of 1848 🔗

Isn’t snow racist (too white) as well as a double whammy granny killer (virus spreader and cold).

376851 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Smelly Melly, #574 of 1848 🔗

It should be banned, along with salt, sugar, washing powder, toothpaste, skin creams, etc, etc.

375784 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #575 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes and ask him how eating a substantial meal helps to stop the spread of a mild respiratory virus.

375788 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Hubes, 22, #576 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes & tell him “I don’t give a fuck, my freedom doesn’t end where your illness begins”

That sounds harsh, but… I really don’t give a fuck.

375797 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 16, #577 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes and tell him “it’s not my responsibility to protect the NHS. That is yours and the NHS’s. Why have you not done anything since March to ensure this”

375875 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Hubes, 10, #578 of 1848 🔗

The NHS has signally failed to do anything to address known and predictable winter pressures and is trying to get away with it again. The crisis over the last few weeks is a supply crisis not a demand crisis. Why is a capacity failure in hospitals thrust on the population as a combined blame and incarceration mythology. Because secular priests can use it. Crisis is necessary to their status. “Your god is suffering through your immorality and failure to worship him. You must chastise yourselves and cover yourselves with sackcloth and ashes until your god is restored to wellbeing when he will take care of you again.” Neitszche was right about the death of God and the inrush of totalitarianism and nihilism to replace Him. Bad times.

375958 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #579 of 1848 🔗

The under-capacity is a long-standing political issue. It’s the government and its predecessors that have primarily ‘failed to do anything’.

375840 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #580 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes and tell him “A decade of ideologically driven austerity and financial mismanagement mean we have one of the lowest beds-per-capita rates around… you’re a dead man.”

376122 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #581 of 1848 🔗

…or even where their fear begins.

375998 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 1, #582 of 1848 🔗

Only works if it’s a Scotch egg, as we all know. Look your egg in the yolk and…

375786 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #583 of 1848 🔗

From the Edinburgh propaganda rag, they really do get on my wick with articles like this & the comments from the brainwashed sheep really do boil my piss.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-scotland-edinburgh-locals-flock-19687933

Wankers.

375803 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #584 of 1848 🔗

Written by another straight out of college look at me and the groovy things I post on social media pretend journalist

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/indigo-stafford-042b23176

375826 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #585 of 1848 🔗

That’s the way to do it. Expose who these creatures are.

The spell of authority, gravitas, etc. is soon undone by examining the person.

375835 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to stefarm, 4, #586 of 1848 🔗

” I love to use the power of journalism to emancipate real people who want to highlight real issues. ”

Also in her previous role she was “Digital Communcations Officer”
Maybe she should learn to spell.

375961 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mj, 1, #587 of 1848 🔗

Enjoying your ambiguous use of ‘spell’.

375793 Fingerache Philip, 4, #588 of 1848 🔗

When the government unleashes the collaborators and sheep to hunt down us sceptics and dissidents, do FS’s think that the pitchforks and flaming torches will be supplied or will the C&S have to make their own?
Misspent youth watching Hammer,Amicus and old Universal films.

375794 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 33, #589 of 1848 🔗

A little anecdotal story which I think may shed some light on what we’re up against.

A couple of years ago, I went to see the GP having felt downright awful for a few months.
The GP sent me for blood tests. When the results came back, I was deficient in a couple of key vitamins. This made sense as I’d been playing around with my diet for some time.

The GP offered a solution whereby I would have regular vitamin injections. This horrified me. Why would anyone want to be reliant on regular vitamin injections. I told the GP that I’d prefer to try and sort the issue via my diet (which I subsequently did). The GPs reply was that she ‘wished 3000 other patients that she sees would take the same approach’, i.e. take individual responsibility for their own shit.

I take from the GP’s statement that the vast majority of people, at least in my part of the country, want quick and easy options presented to them to keep them safe and healthy. Hence, lockdowns and unnecessary experimental drugs are shockingly easy to sell to the masses.

375805 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #590 of 1848 🔗

That’s the difference!, us sceptics can and do think for ourselves, unlike the C&S.

375806 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 24, #591 of 1848 🔗

I think you are right about this. Many see illness as a badge of honour. They have failed if they leave the surgery without a prescription. I view it the other way round.

375810 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 6, #592 of 1848 🔗

One of the women’s magazines, I can’t remember which, used to have- and for all I know still does have- a regular section called “Me And My Illness”.

375827 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #593 of 1848 🔗

Some people nurture their diagnosis like they would a child.

375829 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 16, #594 of 1848 🔗

Brilliantly put, kh.
Reminds of the old (very old) joke about the 2 old women who met every day in the doctor’s waiting room; one day one of the women didn’t show and the next day, the other woman said: ” where were you yesterday? and the first woman replied : “Oh I couldn’t come yesterday because I was ill”.

375879 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 6, #595 of 1848 🔗

It is shocking how many people that are on chronic medications – drugs only treat the symptoms and not the underlying causes.

Some older people are on 5 or more prescription drugs – polypharmacy. Some of these drugs are also contraindicated and as the number of prescriptions increase sadly most doctors don’t check for contraindications.

375955 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 7, #596 of 1848 🔗

I know. My mum was on at least seven.

What I discovered regarding side-effects etc. was truly horrifying. When I finally secured meetings with the various GPs who doled out this crap to her, I hope I made them understand what horrors they had unleashed on my poor mum.

376206 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to kh1485, 1, #597 of 1848 🔗

My mum (84) was also on a variety of medications for various ailments, each one prescribed by different GPs without reference to the other tablets she was taking. After displaying symptoms of headaches, sleeplessness, nausea, shivering and joint pains over many months, she was eventually given a review of medication by another GP which resulted in two of the drugs being removed from her prescription and a third replaced with a less aggressive alternative.

375817 ▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 17, #598 of 1848 🔗

” … take individual responsibility for their own shit.”

Ah, there’s the rub. It’s the lack of ‘individual responsibility’ that has been bred out of the masses that is the problem.

Not blowing my own trumpet, but I have been taking vit. C & D and Zinc supplements since last April. A simple bit of research identified this as the best strategy to take without recourse to the medical profession. It is utterly criminal that the government has not advised everyone to do the same thing.

375830 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #599 of 1848 🔗

you are not the only one. Asda is cheapest source for vitamins but D is always sold out. My local chemist sold me some for £10 which had cost me £2 in Asda.

375842 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #600 of 1848 🔗

Very easy to get them online.

376115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #601 of 1848 🔗

Indeed, they often have promotions and D3 is the one to go for rather than a generic one. Interesting fact: vitamin D is strictly speaking a hormone rather than a vitamin.

375865 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #602 of 1848 🔗

Always read the list of ingredients. Supermarket supplements are in general low quality, with lots of ‘fillers’ and even colours and very low doses (normally RDA that is not sufficient). I.e RDA for vitamin C is 40mg and that is just enough to prevent scurvy.

If you look at price then you need to compare dose with dose, so if a higher dose then you will pay more.

Jo is right – it is very easy to order supplements online

376187 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #603 of 1848 🔗

you should add quercetin to that

376316 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 2, #604 of 1848 🔗

Well said. I’ve also been taking the same combination of vitamins, getting plenty of exercise in the fresh air and eating a healthy diet. I don’t smoke and drink very little alcohol. This has been a lifelong strategy and I’m sure has played a part in me not having any health problems and very few periods of illness. I wish others took the same degree of responsibility for their health and well being.

375922 ▶▶ dhid, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #605 of 1848 🔗

Mind you it doesn’t say much for the GP that she offered the injections first, instead of suggesting trying a change in diet. It may be the easiest option, but suggests a lazy approach on her part to actual health of her patients vs an easy life.

When you consider what these buggers are paid, that is not OK.

376184 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to dhid, 1, #606 of 1848 🔗

I once wasted my time going to the GP to have varrucas diagnosed.
He said: What can I help with.
I showed him my feet. Silence. Me: am I right these are varrucas? Yes.
I left.

377044 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to dhid, #607 of 1848 🔗

Had the same thing with statins. I refused. Doc then offered me a diet sheet.

375801 HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 12, #608 of 1848 🔗

From ‘Worldometer’ data, the UK is now 6th worst nation for death rate at 1,429 deaths per million population.

It’s often said that religious wars, crusades, etc. have been responsible for the majority of deaths since man walked the earth.

The new religion of ‘NHS’ certainly supports that view.

375942 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 4, #609 of 1848 🔗

The problem is that all figures purporting to show ‘Covid’ deaths are highly suspect – particularly in the UK, where the push towards exaggeration has been immense.

375807 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 17, #610 of 1848 🔗

Gibraltar is possibly somewhere to watch they didn’t have much of a first wave their first death wasn’t until mid November.

every day on the government Twitter account they publish a quite comprehensive set of figures

1 total number of tests approaching 150k (population c30k!)
2 results pending
3 results received
4 confirmed cases (nearly 4K)
5 active cases
6 recovered cases
7 people in self isolation
8 positive cases in COVID ward
9 positive cases in Intensive care
10 positive cases in the old folks homes
11 deaths from covid
12 deaths with covid

They also have a daily vaccine update last update shows 8877 have received the first dose they started the jabs on the 10th January. There looks to be quite a spike in deaths after the vaccines started, they had the worst day for deaths in over 100 years. I’m pretty sure they are doing the proper designed time frame for the second jab.

people live in very close proximity to one another by far the most people live in apartments sharing lifts and stairs etc.

despite things being bad in the last few weeks they are saying they can start to lift lockdown and open back up February 1st if numbers continue to decline and they have been. It’s the sort of place where the politicians have much more contact with public you can often see them walking down the street etc.

I apologise for the ramble but hopefully somebody finds it interesting!

375856 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to pvenkman, 4, #611 of 1848 🔗

This was very helpful. Thank you. I am currently looking at back up plans to living in the UK.

375885 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #612 of 1848 🔗

I used to live there it some ways it’s very foreign in others it more British than Britain but it’s small and tightly packed property is very expensive.

375808 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #613 of 1848 🔗

A plague doctor mask from 17th century Germany-useless of course but a picture like this is in most school history textbooks, so I’m afraid our rulers didn’t learn much from them.

375855 ▶▶ Basics, replying to frankfrankly, 10, #614 of 1848 🔗

We have a plague underground street experience in the city here.

During the phase of release from the first national lock up tourism was trying to get back to business. This presented me with one of the more memorable sights of 2020.

A plague street employee dressed in 16th century costume holding a sign with an image such as the image above. The employee was wearing a plastic 2020 face visor. The irony, the stupidity, the breath-taking wilful, determinded, lack of brain activity was stupendous.

Such a spectacle Samuel Pepys would have been proud to relate.

375812 frankfrankly, 2, #615 of 1848 🔗

And a very snazzy carnival ‘plague doctor’ mask-no more useful than the 17C one or those we are forced to wear, but much more decorative.

375822 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #616 of 1848 🔗

Children might not return to school until after Easter. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9181029/Gavin-Williamson-rule-pupils-return-February-half-term.html

Another devastating blow to our Children’s education!

375836 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to isobar, 28, #617 of 1848 🔗

I have a 4 year old who started school in September and hasn’t been back since Christmas. Not only are the government damaging my child’s education but they are creating a situation where children of essential workers are still at school and benefiting from a proper education but also benefiting from smaller class sizes. We now have a 2 tier education system.

375838 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to pvenkman, 5, #618 of 1848 🔗

Good point about the class sizes.

375862 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to pvenkman, 10, #619 of 1848 🔗

If its anything like my 4 year old who is still going in as essential worker child, it’s nothing special. The teacher works from home now and upload sore recorded assignments for them, which are not covered by the assistants in the school during the day. Instead she comes home and has two hours to three hours work.

So we are considering reworking our own shifts to ensure she doesn’t go to school every day and make it easier on everyone.

It’s a cruel joke.

375869 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to pvenkman, 9, #620 of 1848 🔗

From what I understand from teacher friends, being in school does not necessarily mean getting any additional education. Children are still watching the same online lessons as their peers at home, or mixed age-groups being supervised while they complete worksheets or do nothing much at all. The main benefit would be seeing other children and escaping the four walls of home, I think. I find it outrageous that your 4-year-old is being deprived of social opportunities and education but I am not sure that any group is doing well (perhaps with the exception of those with a private education, though they too are being robbed of anything approaching a normal childhood).

375878 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #621 of 1848 🔗

This is not the case at my daughter’s state infants school. The kids who attend are doing normal lessons with their usual teachers and receiving the usual reading books for homework etc.

So it’s even more of a mixed bag nationally if some schools are just putting the kids into big groups and basically making them fend for themselves.

375904 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #622 of 1848 🔗

Wow, yes, it seems to be complete pot luck.

375926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #623 of 1848 🔗

And what a mess for teachers (most of whom are conscientious and I’m sure hate this) to sort out when schools open again.

376164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, #624 of 1848 🔗

‘when’ schools open again? I’m afraid you’re very optimistic. I don’t think this generation are going to get any formal education: they will be like the generation of the 60’s-70’s of Mao’s ‘cultural revolution’ in China – the schools were just smashed up. if I had young kids now, I would start making my own arrangements

375872 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to pvenkman, 6, #625 of 1848 🔗

its a one tier system, essential workers and fuck the rest, unless you can afford to go private

375890 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to iansn, 2, #626 of 1848 🔗

The private schools were also instructed to close

376167 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Victoria, #627 of 1848 🔗

yeh, and they still rip the parents off for the fees

375887 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to pvenkman, 4, #628 of 1848 🔗

Exactly – the local school has 70% of the children in school as key workers kids. The other 30% of non key worker kids are at home and socially isolated.

The kids at school have social interaction – none of the kids or teachers are sick

375888 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to pvenkman, 1, #629 of 1848 🔗

..Exactly – the local school has 70% of the children in school as key workers kids. The other 30% of non key worker kids are at home and socially isolated.

The kids at school have social interaction – none of the kids or teachers are sick

375906 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to pvenkman, 9, #630 of 1848 🔗

Don’t fall into the trap of divisiveness that the government has so successfully constructed.

The point is simply that schools should be open.

376161 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to RickH, 1, #631 of 1848 🔗

^^^ This. Don’t overcomplicate. None of what they’re doing is legitimate. Do not argue the details. It’s what they want.

375912 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to pvenkman, 1, #632 of 1848 🔗

But that’s exactly the plan.
The upper middle class, consisting mainly of civil servants and large Co managers, must prevent access from below, see Richard Reeves Dream Horders, and achieves just that thereby.

375844 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to isobar, 9, #633 of 1848 🔗

Horrendous. And still people will applaud this and say “it’s not enough”! The next generation is being equipped for a life as serfs!

375851 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #634 of 1848 🔗

And people are clapping it in. The same people that had a full education and a full youth experience.

375861 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #635 of 1848 🔗

Agree, total hypocrites!

376199 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #636 of 1848 🔗

Bittel TV, a very good independent news service from Switzerland, on Thursday had a short interview with Reiner Fuellmilch.
R.F. voiced the opinion that for probably the last 30 years teaching has changed from teaching critical thinking, analysis and research to learning stuff to pass an exam.
Bittel tv did a poll recently asking for the ages of their viewers. Most were between 60-70, followed by 50-60.
This also the age group going to Demos.

376293 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Silke David, 2, #637 of 1848 🔗

Yep.
Achgut has a great writeup on that today, by the example of a Jordan Peterson presentation.
The only thing that matters to the younger generation is the group they are belonging to.
There is not just no need to be individualistic or think critically anymore, you basically do not have the right to be and do that anymore, in their view.
Which explains cancel culture and what went on in 2020 and currently perfectly.

375902 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #638 of 1848 🔗

But that next generation seems to want just that.
The people resisting are mainly Xers and Boomers.
Who obviously failed educating their children in that, the critical thinking, individualism and liberty valuing, regard.

375921 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, 2, #639 of 1848 🔗

Shit divisive generalisations like this are exactly fulfilling the government strategy.

376295 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to RickH, #640 of 1848 🔗

‘The truth? You can’t handle the truth!’

375884 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 4, #641 of 1848 🔗

OPEN THE SCHOOLS

Children will need to protest infront of schools

The social aspect of education is the most important. Children need other children around them to learn and enjoy life

375899 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #642 of 1848 🔗

You’re absolutely right. Obvious ‘learning’ is only part of what it is about.

375897 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to isobar, 3, #643 of 1848 🔗

If people take this as an opportunity to collectively educate their kids in advance of the lacklustre, PC and often counter productive state system expectations then perhaps not. Education is enquiry, learning and experience – it is not institutionalisation and being taught by rote courtesy of 20-30 y/o graduates. The only reason we have free school education is the working class dared to set up their own – and that would never do…..

375923 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to isobar, 3, #644 of 1848 🔗

My children are grown up and I don’t have grandchildren yet but I am sickened by this. It may be the biggest crime of all as 1 year when you’re primary school age is a very long time. Certainly long enough for the habit of formal education to be lost.

375972 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to isobar, 10, #645 of 1848 🔗

Do you recall when the same sanctimonious snobs used to berate the working classes for taking their kids out of school for a week to go on holiday?

376027 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Draper233, 2, #646 of 1848 🔗

I well remember a good tempered argument I had with a friend and colleague who saw no harm in taking his kids out for a week or two. My argument was that teachers would necessarily have to spend more time with his kids on their return, no matter how bright and well motivated, to the detriment of others. Sorry, mate, I should have shut my trap, clearly education doesn’t matter at all, let alone a couple of weeks.

376180 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Draper233, 3, #647 of 1848 🔗

yes I do! we were told that even a loss of 1 week would impact their education, that they would never ever catch up, what a load of bollocks! and remember all the harrassment of parents who connived in their children’s absenteeism, how they were imprisoned or threatened with imprisonment!

375866 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #648 of 1848 🔗

What Value Should We Put on a Human Life?

Just give me a million & let me get on with it!

375874 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #649 of 1848 🔗

Exactly. Would have been far cheaper!

375870 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 20, #650 of 1848 🔗

Made the mistake of turning the TV on. The Big Question. Fuck, if this lot are representative of the public then we really do need a great reset, possibly a tactical nuclear one.

375877 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 8, #651 of 1848 🔗

PS, vicar in sandles in snowy January -that’s the state of the church. Not acceptable even in July.

375913 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #652 of 1848 🔗

Andrew Doyle spoke sense.

375927 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Hayes, #653 of 1848 🔗

I only caught the last 10 minutes, thankfully.

375950 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #654 of 1848 🔗

The are carefully chosen and prompted and told exactly what questions to ask.
AKA: DON’T ROCK THE (COVID GRAVY TRAIN) BOAT.
PS: I know: mixed metaphors.

375965 ▶▶ John P, replying to TheBluePill, #655 of 1848 🔗

Many people may be stupid, but that is not the answer.

375881 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #656 of 1848 🔗

Whatever you do folks avoid vaccination, especially with the mRNA vaccine:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

375898 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ross Hendry, #657 of 1848 🔗

Wait for the recombinant ones, if you can and still must by then.

375933 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ross Hendry, #658 of 1848 🔗

Video title

LAWYER DR. REINER FUELLMICH, PROF. DOLORES CAHILL, LAWYER VIVIANE FISCHER QUESTIONING MRNA VACCINE

Caps- theirs.

375883 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #659 of 1848 🔗

The normal normal that we are being separated from by criminal action by governments around the world was established over countless centuries. One century ago the world was just recovering back to the normal normal after the better part of a decade of war and then real pandemic.

Life was changed by those events, a generation of men gone. Yet people returned somehow to the continuity of normal.

The later world war introduced subtantial changes in the after war period for millions of people. The iron curtain could be said to have changed global life, yet continuity of daily life continued in the ‘west’.

They are now going for that continuity of life global wars and pandemic has not extinguished in the past.

375959 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, -1, #660 of 1848 🔗

“They”?

And what about The Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq, the conflict in the Middle East? Cambodia. The myriad conflicts in Africa.

That’s just off the top of my head.

It’s been okay for us here in Western Europe hasn’t it?

375886 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 14, #661 of 1848 🔗

Morning all!

375914 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #662 of 1848 🔗

Aarrrgghhh! Garlic and crucifix, Carruthers!

375892 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 13, #663 of 1848 🔗

The hotel quarantines and border closures currently discussed demonstrate that the real new UK goal now is zero Covid, and that travel will henceforth only be possible for very wealthy people and businessmen.
They have absolutely no desire to exit lockdowns, masks and travel restrictions ever, with or without effective or ineffective vaccines.
The Zero Covid strategy will of course fail, see OZ and even NZ again, and/as it and these border closures and quarantines are far too late to achieve anything in that regard anyway.
This in conjunction with the Brexit fiasco for small businesses shows that they are just intent upon ruining the saving middle and working class through MMT created hyperinflation, as that course of action is the only one which can prevent the $ collapse induced collapse of the world financial system, see off guardian article ‘swallowed a fly’.
Only a few countries with solid state finances and currencies and mainly domestic banking systems aren’t playing along, like S and N, even solid CH has to play along, because its banks are too interconnected.
Whether they keep us muzzled and imprisoned after the hyperinflationary collapses and currency reforms have happened, under the guise of climate change, remains to be seen and should very much be up to us and our resistance to that.
Covid, vaccines or any new virus are mere sideshows and solely a means to this end, if they weren’t, they would have never squashed scientific dissent and would have spent millions on RCTs for treatments like HCQ, Vitamin D, Ivermectin&o immediately, rather than ignoring and diffamating them.

375905 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JayBee, 8, #664 of 1848 🔗

You will find sridhar’s work behind the covid zero, she is a clear protagonists in this. Do not think of her as sturgeons poodle. She is a mouth piece for the globalist ideas and is connected by being that.

375932 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Basics, 12, #665 of 1848 🔗

The Devil Sridhar – the most dangerous and demented woman in the UK

375974 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Basics, 3, #666 of 1848 🔗

Correct, Basics.

375911 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JayBee, 9, #667 of 1848 🔗

They don’t have any strategic goals with Coronabollocks other than to make it go on and on. They are using it as a distraction for people like us. We should all be very careful not to focus too much on what they want us to focus on. We need to look out for their real objectives which will be slipped through in the background.

375941 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to JayBee, 4, #668 of 1848 🔗

Good analysis and we’ll soon find out. As I commented yesterday, we know this is a seasonal virus, so once the “cases” and “covid deaths” start falling naturally as the flu season ends, will the protagonists use this as political cover to justify their disastrous policies and withdraw? Or have the extremists really taken over and will find a way to keep it going? Time will tell.

375991 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Draper233, 4, #669 of 1848 🔗

I am surprised at the quietness of the powerful global actors who want this to end

The oil companies are so powerful that they are often the subject of conspiracies themselves. But apparently they are less powerful than a scientist with some shitty code

376018 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Draper233, 2, #670 of 1848 🔗

Or have the extremists really taken over and will find a way to keep it going?”

Well … the record shows this to be the likely scenario.

375900 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 27, #671 of 1848 🔗

Over two-thirds of some 9500 Telegraph readers believe restrictions should be lifted as soon as possible. Interesting.

375918 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Scotty87, 16, #672 of 1848 🔗

They’ll be in for a shock when absolutely nothing has changed and it’s May.

376011 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Hubes, 5, #673 of 1848 🔗

especially if they have been vaccinated

375929 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Scotty87, 18, #674 of 1848 🔗

I watch the comments on Telegraph and Mail articles very closely. People are getting more vocal and aggressive in the criticism of the Government and the ‘scientists’. Outright hostility and much unpleasantness (rightly so) to JVT’s article in Telegraph. The Government bots are on there, so someone is looking in regularly.

376233 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #675 of 1848 🔗

I stopped reading the DT comments a while ago because the pro-lockdowners were becoming depressingly numerous but I’ve been back on during the past few days and was pleasantly surprised to find the dissenters are now legion and vastly outnumbering the opposition. Mind you the same old Covidians are still there, telling us to obey and comply or denouncing all sceptics as selfish nutters and conspiracy theorists. Adam Hill is on just about every DT comment thread so he is either a paid lackey or a devoted Covidian high priest. .

375945 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Scotty87, 5, #676 of 1848 🔗

In a democracy those dangerous views must be crushed.

376016 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #677 of 1848 🔗

The very definition of managed democracy.

Managed, of course, by the corrupt and the stupid.

376518 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Scotty87, #678 of 1848 🔗

Encouraging

375907 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 29, #679 of 1848 🔗

Look your Government in the eye and counteract their disgusting divisive shit with images from the other side of the carnage they have caused.

376003 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to godowneasy, #680 of 1848 🔗

Bravo. Is that yours?

375909 Tom Blackburn, 2, #681 of 1848 🔗

The Independent: Coronavirus: Government a ‘long, long, long way off’ lifting lockdown restrictions, Matt Hancock warns.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-hancock-lockdown-restrictions-latest-b1791865.html

375917 Draper233, 3, #682 of 1848 🔗

Any reports of the TSG beating up kids yet for being out playing in the snow?

375924 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #683 of 1848 🔗

Almost there Jeremy.

The Guardian: Jeremy Hunt: ‘This lockdown just isn’t working quickly enough’.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/24/jeremy-hunt-this-lockdown-just-isnt-working-fast-enough-covid

375948 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #684 of 1848 🔗

Reminds me of the scene in Pulp Fiction, a baseball bat, taken in hand weighed up. As doing so a chainsaw is spotted by corner of eye. The chain saw is taken in hand only for a samuria sword to be spotted.

376001 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #685 of 1848 🔗

“Current lockdown measures are just not working fast enough,” he said when I spoke to him last week, pointing to data that suggests there may even have been a rise in the rate of infections in January .”

quoting the only study which shows rates not falling and is the only study that is fundamentally flawed by missing a month of data when the peak happened

376012 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #686 of 1848 🔗

James Naughtie got the name right.

376022 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, #687 of 1848 🔗

took me a while to realise what you were getting at! yes, another PPE graduate who would struggle to read a graph

375937 Mark, 24, #688 of 1848 🔗

Imagine, if you will, a person arriving in a town on an empty train, at the empty station, for the meagre, distanced and strictly limited funeral of an old friend.
He asks his way to the crematorium. The only available stranger replies: ‘Take the right fork at the dead cafe. Go past ten dead restaurants, three dead pubs, a dead shopping mall, a dead bookshop, two dead cinemas and a dead theatre.
Turn right at the dead museum, and right again at the dead gym. Cross the road when you get to the dead swimming pool. Walk through the first dead university. At the dead covered market, turn right until you reach the dead library.
Then take the empty bus up through the other dead university, through the dead suburb and past the dead school. Watch out for the dead surgery. At the roundabout, turn down the hill by the dead church and keep going for half a mile.
You can’t miss the crematorium, as it is one of the few places where there are any signs of life. ’”

Peter Hitchens in the MoS piece linked atl today .

A great description of the consequences not of covid but of the panic response .

375939 Nobody2021, 1, #689 of 1848 🔗

Lockdown Logic

Zealot: I believe in the science and scientists. That’s why I think the government scientists are wrong and those not picked to advise them are right.

375952 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #690 of 1848 🔗

I have had a good look at the greebandredband site as described in the ATL article above. It’s well written, well argued and the FAQs are fairly persuasive. However, I think it’s a really really bad idea. In my view, this green v red labelling will perpetuate division in society and will have negative effects. The owner of the site is selling the armbands (proceeds to charity) but also is seeking suppliers to provide garments and accessories. Do we really want to see cohorts of red and green people on our streets?
I’d be interested to hear what other commentators think.

375962 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to godowneasy, 19, #691 of 1848 🔗

Requiring a subsection of society to wear an easily identifiable symbol which singles them out from the rest. What could possibly go wrong? Maybe history can help us answer that question …

375963 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 7, #692 of 1848 🔗

My thoughts, too.

375967 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to godowneasy, 10, #693 of 1848 🔗

Agree, just another way to divide and conquer.

375985 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to godowneasy, 4, #694 of 1848 🔗

I thought it was a good idea back in March – a way of making the Great Barrington Declaration work

Now I just want my rights back

375986 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to godowneasy, 2, #695 of 1848 🔗

I haven’t looked at this red green thing yet but is it any different from ‘protest’ masks, which have been discussed on this site, or the ‘smile’ symbol?
I’m off out for a walk and will be wearing my hoodie with big smiley face on the front and ‘Reject Bad Science’ slogan.
Am I doing a bad thing?

376059 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to godowneasy, 3, #696 of 1848 🔗

Agreed. I’m pretty easy to identify from the fact I’m not wearing a mask, no armband necessary.

376222 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, #697 of 1848 🔗

This site was mentioned on here in October?
I wrote a nasty e-mail to the “contact”, likening bands to yellow stars.
Also, with winter approaching, and people wearing coats and gloves, no-one would see an armband, and unless it became widely advertised and known, only a few would understand the meaning of this armband.
I had a nice reply stating his view, which I appreciate, but never engaged in further conversation.
In his FAQ’s he actually talks about the issue of comparison to yellow stars quite well.

One thing I dislike that a lot of websites do not have name/person stated. In Germany you have to state a person/institution responsible, also for leaflets.

A lot of organisations/websites have sprung up during the last few months, I would like to know who is behind them. Then I can make an (informed) decision if I want to back them.

376941 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to godowneasy, #698 of 1848 🔗

Terrible idea.

(In any case I’d never remember which was which.)

375964 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #699 of 1848 🔗

People love a good WW2 analogy, don’t they?

It was basically focused protection. Kids (rightly identified as the most vulnerable group) sent to the country, men of fighting age sent abroad to keep the action away from our shores (as much as possible). The blackout – widely used for comparison – had minimal effect on the overall outcome.

376934 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tom Blackburn, #700 of 1848 🔗

WW2 anecdote, relevant to blackout.

Air raid in progress. Sparsely populated area. Brother fixing motorbike. Runs into house carrying hurricane lamp (alight). Aircraft drops stick of incendiaries. Fairy lights appear 100 yards from the house amongst a blackthorn thicket. Brother (studying chemistry) collects several pounds of magnesium.

375969 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 69, #701 of 1848 🔗

I for one am quite happy to “look them in the eye” and say I did everything REASONABLY possible to prevent the spread of Covid. Just the same as I have, over the course of my life, done everything reasonably possible not to spread flu, colds, strep throat, glandular fever, sickness and diarrhoea.

What I have not done is engage in superstitious, performative and unevidenced virtue signalling.

I am also confident I can look cancer sufferers, coronary and stroke patients, those with chronic pain and mental health problems in the eye because I have defended their right to treatment and protested against them being thrown under the bus because of a monomaniacal focus on one illness.

375982 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 28, #702 of 1848 🔗

Just the same as I have, over the course of my life, done everything reasonably possible not to spread flu, colds, strep throat, glandular fever, sickness and diarrhoea.

Exactly. I have never required the state to tell me how to stop transmitting disease.

I find it laughable all those people who are now so ‘concerned’ about the health of others. I lost count of the number of customers who would come into the shop in winter and state “ooh, I’ve got a terrible cold”. They weren’t bothered about others then!

376108 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 5, #703 of 1848 🔗

yes quite, even though it is 100% certain that the chain of infection would have passed eventually to a ‘vulnerable person’ – ie, with one foot in the grave already – and pushed them over the edge.

375983 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #704 of 1848 🔗

Ditto.

Nicely articulated.

376014 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #705 of 1848 🔗

BRILLIANT, AWD.
WE WILL PREVAIL.

375973 AidanR, 1, #706 of 1848 🔗

This morning’s listen is an excellent, raucous rarely heard album by Senser from 1994. And it’s wall-to-wall relevant.

Stacked Up (1994)

  1. States of Mind
  2. The Key
  3. Switch
  4. Age of Panic
  5. What’s Going On
  6. One Touch One Bounce
  7. Stubborn
  8. Door Game
  9. Peanut Head
  10. Peace
  11. Eject
  12. No Comply
  13. Worth
375978 p02099003, 1, #707 of 1848 🔗

The latest episode of NCIS was entitled “Sturgeon season”, if only.

375988 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #708 of 1848 🔗

People entering the UK are now to be held in prisons and ordered to pay for the privilege

I wonder if this will apply to Shapps when he returns from the Davos Jamboree, no thought not

Huge sums of money to be made here by the likes of Mays husband, MP’s and their shrill O’Brien who will have been tipped the wink

Soon enough these prisons will start to receive dissenters and their families

Then it is only a short hop to starting the executions

I may be writing my own death warrant

There is no other way out now but to fight back, I’m a dead man walking

376101 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 3, #709 of 1848 🔗

yes, I’m afraid I don’t think your prediction is hysterical or exaggerated. this is why I am currently trying to persuade my family to get out. but I don’t want to go without them, what is the point of me surviving if they don’t.

375993 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #710 of 1848 🔗

As a layperson cannot judge this but others with mathematical knowledge could help out.
Just published below and on a twitterthread (also another one).Published by the group attacking Drosten PCR test but this paper include McKernan.
“Take-away message for the layperson. What we see is most likely the following: – Extremely high rate of false positives – Much lower test specificity than reported by the test manufacturers – Overestimation of the prevalence So on January 11 th (UK), the prevalence was most likely about 4%, the tests’ sensitivity about 80.5%, and the tests’ specificity about 92.5% (which is much lower than the claimed 98.9% The false-positive rate that day would consequently have been 68%!
https://mobile.twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1353297941499424769
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336593397608542208.html

https://zenodo.org/record/4459271#.YAwjxhYxk2w

Bayes Lines Tool (BLT) – A SQL-script for analyzing diagnostic test results with an application to SARS-CoV-2-testing As a resolution method, we have developed a seminal Bayesian calculator, the Bayes Lines Tool (BLT), for back-solving disease prevalence, test sensitivity, test specificity, and, therefore, true positive, false positive, true negative and false negative numbers, from official test outcome reports. The calculator performs a simple SQL query and can easily be implemented on any system supporting SQL. We provide three examples of SARS-CoV-2 test results from official government reports from the Netherlands, Germany, and the United Kingdom to illustrate the possible parameter space of prevalence, sensitivity, and specificity consistent with the observed data. Finally, we discuss this tool’s multiple applications, including its putative importance for informing policy decisions.

376002 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to swedenborg, 1, #711 of 1848 🔗

Huge if true. Is your understanding that 92.5% is the inferred operational specificity?

376032 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #712 of 1848 🔗

Like you, swedenborg, I’m not in a position to judge the detail – but the bottom line is a pretty close match to reality as far as can be judged.

376047 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, #713 of 1848 🔗

Yep, if clinical specificity is 96 – 99.9% it seems very reasonable that actual operational specificity might be ~92%.

376102 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #714 of 1848 🔗

If this is true enormous consequences.We could have 70 % false pos in our hospitals incl ICU been diagnosed by PCR. The only thing to dispove this is immediately start taking serology for Sars-Cov2 first among all in ICU and then others in hopsital. The Spanish serology data which I linked a few days ago taken in Nov still had almost 40 % serology negative for patients reported to have been in ICU with a PCR pos diagnosis. This is an urgent problem to sort out I would think. Of course people in ICU/Hospital with false pos PCR are seriously ill but caused by something else.Usually lots of other respiratory viruses around this time of the year. Nobody is denying that C-19 is real and can be deadly but the post April mass testing for a respiratory virus,never done on that scale before,promoted by The Pharmaco industrial Complex might have been a enormous mistake.

376235 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 1, #715 of 1848 🔗

Drosten was asked on Thursday to make a statement re the statement from the WHO re PCR cycles.

He answered he understood it “to be instructions to less well educated countries and their (less well educated) lab staff to read the manufacturers instructions leaflet delivered with the PCR test kit and follow it.”

376272 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Silke David, 1, #716 of 1848 🔗

I think that is a true reflection of the Staff at Lighthouse Labs doing the bulk of testing in the UK

376244 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #717 of 1848 🔗

On first glance their logic doesn’t make sense to me.

They seem to be guessing that on 11th January prevalence was about 4%, and with sensitivity of 80.5% and specificity of 92.5% then 56,733 positives from 536,947 tests would imply

0.805 x 536,947 x 0.4 = 17,289 true positives
(1-0.925) x 536,947 x 0.96 = 38,660 false positives
So 55,950 positives (which allowing for rounding is close to the 56,733 positives on that day)

But surely the tests recorded on the government dashboard aren’t done on a random section of the population (that is you expect the prevalence in those tested to be much higher than a random section of the population), which would majorly invalidate that logic?

That is from a cursory glance, so may have completely missed their logic here.

376268 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #718 of 1848 🔗

I am not sure how many symptomatic were tested 11th Jan.The majority must have been idiotic asymptomatic screening.But even in the symptomatics this time of the year, could be may other respiratory viruses. Ideally you would like to have two consecutive PCR samples with Ct value to be absolutely sure that the disease is correlated to Sars-Cov2.

376294 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #719 of 1848 🔗

Amongst the subgroup of those actually being tested it could be 16% are really positive and the sensitivity is 51% and the specificity is 97% which would get you to the right number of positives and mean only 24% false positives.

Clearly testing asymptomatics is complete nonsense (with the possible exception of it picking up a pre-symptomatic case perhaps when testing in March 2020 when there was a pandemic).

But if a high enough proportion being tested have symptoms, it may be the PCR is relevant for those people in confirming a covid diagnosis in someone with symptoms, but of course a repeat test with comparison of absolute Ct values, and other clinical tests would be needed too.

376897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Freecumbria, #720 of 1848 🔗

Strongly agree with this critique i.e. I want to see the impact if we run the same models assuming different prevalence levels for the tested population, to determine how stable the model is.

375994 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #721 of 1848 🔗

Gavin Williamson to ‘rule out pupils return after February half-term’ | Daily Mail Online

I thought they would let school kids back mid Feb and use it as the excuse to keep us locked up.

It genuinely looks like we are getting locked up the majority if not all of 2021. This is nuts.

376006 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #722 of 1848 🔗

If people started setting up their own collective neighbourhood schools and teaching REAL knowledge, experience and enquiry to kids, with no wokery-dokery, the schools would re-open faster than you could say Jack Robinson …(or should that be Gavin Williamson ?).

376023 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #723 of 1848 🔗

Aye, and anyone who hasn’t perfected nuclear fusion by lunchtime is just not trying.

376043 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to AidanR, 5, #724 of 1848 🔗

Something like that, seriously. Kids are deliberately held back because of teacher’s lack of knowledge – and would be quite capable of being introduced to modern physics at the age of 9 or 10. Encourage a spirit of enquiry.

376185 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #725 of 1848 🔗

This isn’t a new thing though. It was the same when I was at school back inth’ good old days.

I moved schools 5 or 6 times due to my parents’ work, and still was only ever exposed to about 4 inspirational teachers who sought to get the most out of their best pupils.

Mostly I saw mediocrities exercising arbitrary power.

376087 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 6, #726 of 1848 🔗

I think if people went ahead and did it, instead of passively waiting around for the government to generously give them their lives back, they would soon discover that it’s not that difficult to provide kids with a better education than schools used to offer, and even if the scamdemic ended any time soon (unlikely), a large swathe of people might decide they had no further use for them, and the teachers, the teaching unions, the government could all go swivel, having helped to bring about their own demise

376093 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to AidanR, #727 of 1848 🔗

Is that routinely taught at Primary and Secondary level anyway?

376110 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #728 of 1848 🔗

Well, Private Pike has been bullied by the Teaching Unions! Who would have thought it? The Teachers should be placed on furlough as far as I’m concerned or at least on half pay as they are not doing their jobs.

376563 ▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #729 of 1848 🔗

BF – almost as if you can read my mind. I was thinking along almost identical lines. My youngest son teaches in a North London comprehensive school and tells me that he has to deal with children speaking dozens of different languages, many speaking little or no English and with no interpreters. I can easily see teachers setting up small teaching clubs, escaping OFSTED and focusing as you say, on teaching real objective knowledge and critical thinking.

376007 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #730 of 1848 🔗

In order to look back at this and see what a tragic mistake lockdown was, we actually have to get out of it first. I don’t see it happening soon. I think the zero-covid zealots have taken over

376058 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 2, #731 of 1848 🔗

Yeah, the unelected SAGE and NERVTAG are quite clearly running government.

376065 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #732 of 1848 🔗

I expect in the Spring, most of the restrictions will remain ‘because we’ve done so well, we dont want to throw it away’

376147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, #733 of 1848 🔗

There’s a new, streamlined plan, Steve:

I expect in the Spring , most of the restrictions will remain

376090 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to steve_w, #734 of 1848 🔗

I think you are right and it’s a political decision more than anything else. If Bunter and gang didn’t go for zero covid you can be sure Starmer and Co would.

376053 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #735 of 1848 🔗

After they sold our future, they are now selling our children!

376000 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 23, #736 of 1848 🔗

Been talking to my sons friend who’s a volunteer fireman, who’s recently returned from another local suicide (I understand its the fire service who recovers bodies in difficult places). He said in his experience of suicides they have quadrupled over the past year. I wonder why?

376149 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #737 of 1848 🔗

So sad!

{sorry wrong image}

376155 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Victoria, 1, #738 of 1848 🔗

I’d look them in the eyes and tell them to consider the contrast ratio around “mental” and “doesn’t”.

376158 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #739 of 1848 🔗

Look him in the eyes

.

and tell him why his

father committed suicide

Collapse Economy –> Starve Children –> Destroy Lives

376234 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, #740 of 1848 🔗

A myth…according to Neil O’Brien MP and his team.

376397 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #741 of 1848 🔗

So has my air ambulance pilot friend. No COVID though!

376009 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #742 of 1848 🔗

Remember:

  • Masks work and if the virus still spreads it must be something else.

In fact they work and have been working so well everyone now needs to wear N95s.

We will of course keep a close eye on the data and if it’s found that the virus is still spreading then we will declare the use N95s a complete success and recommend airtight plastic bags.

The face mask that could end the pandemic
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/health/face-mask-n95-coronavirus-transmission/index.html

376024 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #743 of 1848 🔗

everyone now needs to wear N95s….”

As said : Follow the Money!

376038 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nobody2021, #744 of 1848 🔗

Even better, ask NASA for some old Mercury spacesuits or the Russians for Vostok.

376039 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #745 of 1848 🔗

If you read the face coverings advice for NI it specifically states not to use a vented mask.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-face-coverings#:~:text=the%20shared%20space.-,Face%20coverings%20on%20public%20transport%2C%20coaches%2C%20taxis%20and%20tour%20buses,hire%20transport%20and%20air%20travel .

“A vent is not recommended. Masks with valves allow air breathed out to pass unfiltered into the environment, along with potential droplets, defeating the key purpose of protecting those around you.”

376069 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #746 of 1848 🔗

I think if we all just killed ourselves, then nobody would ever die again, would they? it’s genius! what’s the matter with SAGE that they can’t come up with this simple and obvious solution? if nothing lives, then nothing can die!

376106 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #747 of 1848 🔗

Interesting that Biden has mandated the use of masks on Federal property… even more interesting was the fact that he & said family immediately violated said mandate when going for a walk at the Lincoln memorial. When questioned, Biden’s Press Secretary (who was not wearing a mask at the White House, so does that mean it is not federal property?) said “we have bigger things to worry about”.

376010 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 27, #748 of 1848 🔗

.

376063 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #749 of 1848 🔗

yeh, why can’t people learn the lessons of history? so all those millions died for nothing, we just keep on having to go through it all again, like it’s on eternal loop

376071 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #750 of 1848 🔗

Another poster for use as you see fit

376072 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #751 of 1848 🔗

Another

376017 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 23, #752 of 1848 🔗

They’re attempting to promote “The Great Reopening” on Saturday the 30th of January at the moment on Twitter. Similar to what happened in Italy and Poland with restaurants and shops opening. I’m not sure how popular it has become though, and for the movement to work it will need a lot of cooperation. A big Twitter account really needs to promote it.

I’ve emailed several local restaurants near me mentioning it and saying that I’d love to book if they are opening. If I was a restaurant owner and I received a random email like that I’d probably be quite suspicious, so I’m not expecting much in the way of a positive reply, but at least it will get the idea in their head regardless.

https://twitter.com/THEGREATREOPEN1

comment image

376172 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to John Galt, 3, #753 of 1848 🔗

I really hope this gains traction. I don’t think anyone will go for this in our town as compliance is very, very high.

376448 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 1, #754 of 1848 🔗

Just open up for Takeaways, and if someone elderly comes in, offer them a seat “on medical grounds”. “You don’t look well, dear…”

376025 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 12, #755 of 1848 🔗

If there’s a strong possibility that the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission or infection as suggested by JVT, then, because of a change in definition, we can never achieve community immunity. Therefore, lockdown is for ever not just for Christmas.

376052 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 4, #756 of 1848 🔗

Unless we achieve herd immunity the old fashioned way as Sweden looks to have done and maybe parts of the UK have achieved…

376060 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 3, #757 of 1848 🔗

WHO have removed the old fashioned way from the definition.

376073 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, 5, #758 of 1848 🔗

That’s irrelevant. There is no “old fashioned” way.

Herd immunity via infection and recovery is nature’s way and nature will take it’s course.

376113 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 2, #759 of 1848 🔗

We have to have community immunity through the infection and recovery as not everyone has the same response to pathogens due to genetics. If we were each to respond to every pathogen in the same way then our individual immune systems would be so dilute to be useless. See The Compatibility Gene.

376117 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 1, #760 of 1848 🔗

See the Delores Cahill link posted above/below it may modify your thinking. C19 may be long gone, Delores knows her stuff.

376291 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, #761 of 1848 🔗

Baden Wuerttemberg, a densely populated country in southern Germany, is hardly reporting any new infections anymore. The press reported with horror they only reported 2(!) new infections to the RKI last weekend and they most likely had a computer error. But the trend has continued.

Now countries in the East, with a region in the far north east, which so far had the least +, is now the area with highest +s.

I think it is obvious what is happening.
Of course the officials in the regions with now rising +s, only react by locking down. Idiots.

376031 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #762 of 1848 🔗

So it wasn’t a vaccine after all, who’d have thunk it

376035 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 1, #763 of 1848 🔗

No.

Lawyer Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, Prof. Dolores Cahill, lawyer Viviane Fischer questioning mRNA vaccine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

376041 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #764 of 1848 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

Posted earlier today. This is the excellent Delores Cahill giving concerns and understanding to Riener Fuelmich and his team as they prepare their court case.

Delores sets out an action that will better enable an understanding of what damage may be caused by the improperly tested mRNA gene therapy vaccination doses.

Delores is calling for 1/100 vaccines to be kept back from all vaccination locations for randomised lab analysis. So that when things go wrong they can swiftly look at samples and see exactly what was introduced to the body at that location.

Highest quality information, recommend viewing.

376044 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 6, #765 of 1848 🔗

thanks for link, love Dolores! what a magnificent woman, a real fighter

376045 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 1, #766 of 1848 🔗

I was discussing lockdown with someone on Reddit. I pointed out that lockdowns have never been recommended as a way of dealing with pandemics. In response the poster argued a disease as infectious as Covid has not been encountered before. Is there any evidence Covid is more infectious than other respiratory diseases.

376057 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ianric, 15, #767 of 1848 🔗

Right. He’s never heard of the Black Death or the Spanish flu or the hundred other known outbreaks that have been infinitely worse than this crappy effort at a deadly pandemic then?

376068 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ianric, 3, #768 of 1848 🔗

There’s nothing to suggest things would have been worse beyond a certain level of restrictions, voluntary or otherwise.

There are plenty of examples where the results are no worse and often better without the need for severe curtailment of freedoms.

376075 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ianric, 11, #769 of 1848 🔗

If he’s relying on the R0 number, he’s dead wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

If he’s relying in the IFR then he’s also dead wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_fatality_rate#Examples

If he’s relying on anything else then he must show his working or – for the benefit of Ned – go fuck himself.

376150 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to AidanR, #770 of 1848 🔗

It might be a bit more infectious than 1918 flu

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30484-9/fulltext

They omit 1957 Asian flu or 1968 Hong Kong flu which killed millions worldwide.

It seems that coronavirus vaccines are riskier than flu vaccines, i.e. natural immunity is the only option with SARS-CoV-2. So take vitamin D.

A friend found this – https://youtu.be/7hucPHzZxyw

376076 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ianric, 9, #771 of 1848 🔗

I see the problem…..

You’re talking to an idiot.

376078 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #772 of 1848 🔗

By Jove I think you’ve cracked it.

376080 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #773 of 1848 🔗

Elementary my dear Watson.

376082 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ianric, #774 of 1848 🔗

Reddit is now a commie infiltrated site. The commenters and comments are moderated to reflect the propoganda. I wouldn’t even bother debating on it.

376086 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHUNTZ, -7, #775 of 1848 🔗

In your opinion.

376107 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to JHUNTZ, #777 of 1848 🔗

It may well be, but you stated this as incontrovertible fact.

Is a buzzfeed article proof?

I’m not saying you are necessarily wrong, but maybe try to separate your views from proven facts.

And not all communists are Chinese. I’m not a communist myself, but a genuine communist does have as much right to free speech as anyone else.

376175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 2, #778 of 1848 🔗

John, the site constantly suppresses conservative points of view whether it be banning dissenting commenters/ comments or outright removing subreddits (r/donald).

It is at the far left progressive end of the spectrum on virtually all debates. I have seen several commentators espouse that “communism just hasn’t been done right” “none of them actually followed what Marx advised.”

There are several articles on possible Chinese influence in reddit. Can’t fault you though there is no hard and fast gotcha evidence.

My main point though is that due to the suppression of speech on social media sites like this you only get one side of the narritve and it is generally the establishment media supported view. Reddit is a particular cesspit imho.

376243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, #779 of 1848 🔗

Worth reading in full 🙂

376237 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, #780 of 1848 🔗

His assertion rings true to me.

376873 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to JHUNTZ, #781 of 1848 🔗

To be fair there is a very good anti lockdown group on reddit

Free-thinkers resisting the New Normal (reddit.com)

There is another group which sees covid as a religious cult.

ChurchOfCOVID (reddit.com)

376084 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ianric, 4, #782 of 1848 🔗

“Is there any evidence Covid is more infectious than other respiratory diseases.”

I’m sure SAGE will invent some.

376088 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Ianric, 2, #783 of 1848 🔗

What’s more important is the susceptibility to the process at the lung that causes the pneumonia, not any infection. But your controlled opposition “lockdown sceptic” media has never touched SARS-COV to ACE2 binding with a barge pole, because the con would never work if people knew a few basic facts.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

376127 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PWL, #784 of 1848 🔗

This has been linked recently, but is well worth repeating. The graphs in that report are stunning – most major illnesses disappeared during the April peak of ‘it’.

376091 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ianric, 1, #785 of 1848 🔗

If they’re someone who can understand it, I’d refer them to the work of Gabriela Gomes, who shows we need to understand heterogeneity alongside R0 to understand real transmission rates. The fact that it’s quite infectious is exactly the reason it will spread regardless of lockdown.

376100 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ianric, 9, #786 of 1848 🔗

What utter rubbish that poster said. Firstly, there is no evidence at all to suggest CV-19 is infectious in the first place. It is a respiratory virus as we all know very similar to the flu. It does not transmit from person to person or from surface to person in the way that the Government is trying to tell us – i.e. that it’s acting like the bubonic plague and is everywhere – we know that’s not true. The Spanish Flu was far more infectious and deadly. The Plague/Black Death were far more infectious. What we have here is a seasonal respiratory virus no more no less which is the flu by any other name.

BTW I have just read that the Government has passed another SI extending the powers to Councils to lockdown until 17th July 2021 giving them the power to close cafes, restaurants and pubs up until that time. The Government really are now engaged in a psychological war with its own citizens and there can be no doubt now, the power really has corrupted them and they are loving it. Can’t get enough of it.

This Country really is well and truly f****d for the future. I think it will be down to the British people to end this shitshow.

376433 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich, #787 of 1848 🔗

I hope the great reopening Jan 20th says otherwise.

376133 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ianric, 8, #788 of 1848 🔗

I think this is their problem

377169 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #789 of 1848 🔗

shit fer brains

376160 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ianric, #790 of 1848 🔗

Is there any evidence Covid is more infectious than other respiratory diseases.”

Not any consistent evidence that I’m aware of.

376299 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ianric, #791 of 1848 🔗

I’ve got a feeling that the common cold rhinovirus is far more infections (or at least has a much higher R value). But I now can’t remember or find where I read that.

R for corona seems to be around 5 or 6 depending on source. Many other nasty diseases have a much higher R value, such as measles and whooping cough (also a respiratory disease I believe).

Why does the poster consider respiratory disease to be worse than any other? Is it OK for any other virus to be more infectious, no matter what its effects, as long as it’s nor respiratory?

376393 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ianric, #792 of 1848 🔗

Now what was that about the Great Plague in the 17th century – just to name the first one that came to mind..

376049 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 24, #793 of 1848 🔗

First real snow fall in London in years, just come back from the park where I built a snow person, (sorry didn’t make the snow balls :-)) anyway, loads of people having fun, and unlike yesterday hardly a muzzle in site. It’s obvious the virus doesn’t venture out in snow.

376066 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Andrew K, 9, #794 of 1848 🔗

Ditto, sledging in Greenwich park with the kids, brilliant, and no police to be seen thank god. The whole nonsense forgotten for a couple of happy hours.

376067 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Andrew K, 2, #795 of 1848 🔗

Make a snow Greta.

376140 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #796 of 1848 🔗

Impossible, snow is a thing of the past

376081 ▶▶ John P, replying to Andrew K, #797 of 1848 🔗

Snow person I know.

Snowmen don’t usually have balls so maybe you have a point, but I detest wokery even in jest.

376095 ▶▶ alw, replying to Andrew K, 2, #798 of 1848 🔗

Also in our private estate communal area. Joined by neighbours and others. Small things.

376286 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 3, #799 of 1848 🔗

Same here, just back from a sledging expedition to the village’s best hill. Lots of friendly, familiar faces out and lovely to see all the kids playing together having snowball fights.

The sight of youngsters being towed round the village on a sledge behind a Landrover would probably cause a few covidians to bust a blood vessel.

376313 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Andrew K, #800 of 1848 🔗

It cannot be true.

376442 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, #801 of 1848 🔗

Joins the impending new Ice Age and the great covid apocalypse among the long list of panics fomented by supposed “experts” over things that were never going to happen.

And we’re supposed to respect the idea of a “technocracy”!?

376392 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Andrew K, 1, #802 of 1848 🔗

Oh you should be on the Pembrokeshire Facebook page – where some ***** (translation – bossy little wotname) put up a post telling people they shouldnt get out there and enjoy the snow in the Pembrokeshire countryside – in case they had an accident and made demands on the NHS. The bossy little mare did get quite a lot of telling off for daring to tell other people how to live their lives LOL….

376077 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #803 of 1848 🔗

(With apologies to CS Lewis and Puddleglum).

“One word, Mr Whitty ,” he said, coming back from the fire; limping, because of the pain. “One word. All you’ve been saying is quite right, I shouldn’t wonder. I’m a chap who always liked to know THE SCIENCE and then put the best face I can on it. So I won’t deny any of what you said. But there’s one more thing to be said, even so. Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things-trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a Covid lockdown kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one. And that’s a funny thing, when you come to think of it. We’re just sceptics making up a game, if you’re right. But sceptics playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That’s why I’m going to stand by the play world. I’m on Aslan’s side even if there isn’t any Aslan to lead it. I’m going to live as like a free man as I can even if there isn’t any free land . So, thanking you kindly for our supper, if these two gentlemen and the young lady are ready, we’re leaving your lockdown at once and setting out in the dark to spend our lives looking for Old Normal Land . Not that our lives will be very long, I should think; but that’s a small loss if the world’s as dull a place as you say.”

376085 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #804 of 1848 🔗

Brilliant and thank you for the mention

376104 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #805 of 1848 🔗

Very apt. Three cheers for you, for Puddleglum and for Lewis.

376094 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 11, #806 of 1848 🔗

Regarding Ivermectin and HCQ: These are well-established, cheap, safe drugs, with no serious side effects. They meet the Hippocratic principle “do no harm”. They should therefore be available for use against covid, even if there are only informal indications that they are effective. The Hippocratic onus must be on those restricting their use, to prove that they are not effective at all, and if they can’t, the restrictions must be lifted.

376109 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #807 of 1848 🔗

From the very start, t he cheap, safe “anti-Covid-19” drug issue has been a talking point designed to assist in the making of an impression of a big problem. Covid-19, or SARS as it should be called, is a rare disease.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past

376156 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PWL, 3, #808 of 1848 🔗

Very interesting graphs.

On the subject of prophylactic treatments – I think that sceptics should maintain a position of requiring proper RCT evidence – as with vaccines.

376168 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 1, #809 of 1848 🔗

That evidence exists as per Tobys article for HCQ which was thoroughly trashed for Big Pharmas benefit.
They will now try to do the same to Invermectin.
https://hcqtrial.com
https://c19study.com

376224 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #810 of 1848 🔗

I disagree. Drugs which have a proven safety record and have been ‘observed’ to be effective should be approved for emergency use.

The Dexamethosone RCT suggested a 35% reduction in mortality. Yet current mortality rates in NHS are similar to those in Spring.

376288 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mayo, #811 of 1848 🔗

Yes, I was wondering earlier today what had become of dexamethasone (the discovery of which Hancock personally took credit for, if I remember rightly). Presumably it hasn’t had the miracle effect they hoped?

376405 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, #812 of 1848 🔗
376165 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 4, #813 of 1848 🔗

Dear PWL
I often dislike and disagree with your posts but this is a very good point
It’s so hard not to look at the covid issue outside of the false frame of reference that has evolved
That said, if people continue to be worried about covid, which seems rather inevitable, then giving them cheap drugs that work is arguably preferable to what we are doing now.
Also pointing to the existence of such treatments and the fact they have been overlooked strengthens our case that govts are not being honest

376197 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #814 of 1848 🔗

That’s always working on the presumption that our government has our well being at heart. If there’s no money in it for their big pharma mates, then I think that would probably trump the well being aspect.

376170 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PWL, #815 of 1848 🔗

Dolores Cahill 1500 cases not covid but flu.
https://www.facebook.com/ifunanyam.edu.7/videos/1066924327159489

376195 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #816 of 1848 🔗

As you say, safe and cheap, and they’re being allowed to be used ”off label” in some places in the States. People there are more likely to question their doctor and make suggestions as to their own care.
Of course, big pharma don’t like ”cheap” which is probably why ‘they’ would like to find reasons to ban their use.
As far as testing Ivermectin is concerned: ”… there’s a gap in the data. There’s not been a really rigorous trial .” So why not just experiment with the population as a whole? I believe there’s a precedent .

376278 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Brett_McS, #817 of 1848 🔗

It’s criminal negligence on the part of
corrupt governments and public health officials to not have conducted proper RCTs as to the use of the drugs from the start.
If they had done so, at a cost if a few tens if milluons of £s at most, there would have been no second lockdowns and no second wave Covid deaths at all.
But also no police state, no vaccine related billion£ profits and bribes etc..

376121 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Victoria, 9, #819 of 1848 🔗

Powerful.

376148 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Victoria, 8, #820 of 1848 🔗

And they say that WE have blood on OUR hands.

377126 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Victoria, #821 of 1848 🔗

I just sent a personal email to Whitless, Vaccine and Van Damme with this and ther NHS ad asking why they are doing this and what the fuck are they doing about everything, Feargoeson useless forecasts the fact the info they give out is instantly proved to be wrong. But closing with history the electorate and juries will judge them and Bojo will give them the flick the moment it suits him as they have signed NDA’s they will be able to say nothing in their own defence
fucking muppets

376098 PWL, 4, #822 of 1848 🔗
376111 Victoria, 18, #824 of 1848 🔗

Look them in

the eyes

.

and tell them

their education

doesn’t matter

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105605285385561376

376119 Victoria, 13, #826 of 1848 🔗

Look them in

the eyes

.

and tell them

they can’t see

their friends

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105605288581159900

376120 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 20, #827 of 1848 🔗

Matt Hancock on Sky News: “”I really worry” about new wu flu variants not yet discovered”. I think this is called priming. There may be a more appropriate phrase, let me know if I’m thinking of something else

376124 ▶▶ Liam, replying to CrazyHoarse, 5, #828 of 1848 🔗

How about “scumbaggery”?

376129 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #829 of 1848 🔗

Priming sounds about right…Hancock surely isn’t smart enough to think of anything before it has occurred.

376135 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #830 of 1848 🔗

Chekhov’s lockdown extension

376159 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to CrazyHoarse, 17, #831 of 1848 🔗

“I really worry about something that hasn’t happened yet, and might not happen, so I’m going to recommend locking everyone in their homes forever more just in case.”

Is that a reasonable translation??

376177 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CrazyHoarse, 8, #832 of 1848 🔗

Well, poor lad, he would worry, wouldn’t he, not having any kind of medical or scientific qualification or experience whatsoever. It probably all seems really scary to him (with just a PPE) so he wants us all to feel the same and be really really frightened.

How caring of him. But I don’t think I’ll oblige.

376480 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Banjones, 2, #833 of 1848 🔗

Your exposition is polite, measured and reasonable.

My immediate translation was “Thick cunt”. I feel it gets to the point, although not in a way of which my wife would approve.

376211 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #834 of 1848 🔗

How about psychopathy?

376277 ▶▶ jos, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #835 of 1848 🔗

Like on the Archers when they say ‘I’m really worried about the cat’ and you know that in the very near future the cat would be dead ..

376281 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CrazyHoarse, 3, #836 of 1848 🔗

Why aren’t we worried about new and deadly variants of every virus in existence? Why just corona?

(Rhetorical question)

Also, new variants have appeared despite near-constant lockdown and restrictions – so why would further lockdown prevent more?

(Also rhetorical question)

376387 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to CrazyHoarse, 3, #837 of 1848 🔗

Grooming. Gaslighting.

376126 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #838 of 1848 🔗

Look them in
the eyes
.
and tell them
mental health
doesn’t matter

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105605292297305927

376130 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Victoria, 5, #839 of 1848 🔗

These are brilliant.

376131 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Liam, 4, #840 of 1848 🔗

Agree. We should distribute wide and far

376134 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #841 of 1848 🔗

It looks like things are happening in France

https://www.facebook.com/W1LL.AltR/videos/202539774913152

376146 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #842 of 1848 🔗

That is fantastic – the French will get their country back.

376188 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to PastImperfect, #843 of 1848 🔗

I think these videos may relate to January 2020 as there were lots of strikes in France then. I can’t find any current news reports on this, including in French newspapers. However, le Monde has reports of anti-lockdown protests yesterday in Madrid and Copenhagen. A search for either of these events on the BBC news website returned absolutely nothing. Surprise surprise.

376269 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PastImperfect, #844 of 1848 🔗

SNA reported protests against the security legislation being held yesterday.
My impression was the video was about holding protests in general.

376136 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #845 of 1848 🔗

Look them in

the eyes

.

and tell them it

is just until May

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105605281739998302

376171 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Victoria, #846 of 1848 🔗

Is there any way of seeing the comments on gab without signing up , please?

376385 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Victoria, 1, #847 of 1848 🔗

Look them in the eyes and try and justify why that 3 week Lockdown has now gone on for approx 40 weeks longer than that.

376138 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #848 of 1848 🔗

Look me in the eye and pretend to cry while you are laughing.

376141 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #849 of 1848 🔗

Yes, I got the joke several hours ago. It has endless variants.

376139 John P, replying to John P, 3, #850 of 1848 🔗

I’m not a great reset denier. I know the “great reset” exists, but I think the harm it might cause is greatly exaggerated.

For the great reset zealots here – don’t worry, that’s just my opinion. And opinions are not facts.

I might be wrong, but thus far I am not convinced by your arguments.

376144 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 2, #851 of 1848 🔗

I hope your right John and the harm is far less than I fear.

376157 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 5, #852 of 1848 🔗

I don’t know much about the “great reset” but anyone who talks about “great” anything immediately arouses my suspicion – utopianists tend to be dangerous

That said, if people want a “great reset” then let them have it, but do not impose it and do not bring it in udner cover of a Big Lie

376196 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 3, #853 of 1848 🔗

https://time.com/collection/great-reset/
“THE GREAT RESET
The COVID-19 pandemic has provided a unique opportunity to think about the kind of future we want. TIME partnered with the World Economic Forum to ask leading thinkers to share ideas for how to transform the way we live and work.”

It’s not a question about whether it exists. It’s what our world leaders have planned for us, and they had the plans announced several years ago. It’s no secret, and not exactly a conspiracy considering they’re quite open about it.

And you’re absolutely correct, the likes of Schwab, with their nightmare utopian plans for the future of humanity are deeply, deeply worrying.
I’ve read and watched too much science fiction, as well as read recent history to be reassured.

376373 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #854 of 1848 🔗

But the great reopening Jan 20 is ok.

376382 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PastImperfect, #855 of 1848 🔗

January 30 – not January 20.

376163 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to John P, 3, #856 of 1848 🔗

I read this book a year ago “The Crash Course: The Unsustainable Future of Our Economy, Energy, and Environment” by Chris Martenson. It’s from 2010 or thereabouts and doesn’t mention “The Great Reset”. However, it does outline a narrative that can easily be used to explain how/why Covid-19 is being used as a Trojan Horse for the QE required to reset the economy in the face of scarce resources (and exponential population growth). QE is the tool but it is unpalatable for the establishment to simply use it (as it will lead to mass inflation wiping out our savings and reduce our quality of life). Now they can use QE and blame it all on C-19. The previous sentence is my extrapolation – the rest of it is in the book.

376192 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 1, #857 of 1848 🔗

I suspect it could be a red herring, another distration from the ongoing looting and pillaging that everyone has somehow managed to ignore since 2008. If this a ‘Great’ anything, it is The Last Great Swindle.

376366 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John P, 5, #858 of 1848 🔗

Why are they destroying small and medium-size businesses?

Why are they spending OUR money like there is no tomorrow?

Why are they prepared to jeopardise people’s immune systems with lockdowns and masks?

Why attack and try to destroy the objectives of the Great Barrington Declaration with infantile ad hominem and slander?

Why deny HCQ and other early interventions that would have saved lives as soon as the “pandemic” and lockdown policies were declared?

Why do they have a psychological operations unit from SAGE attacking the populace?

Why do they mobilise an army brigade to try to influence people using on-line services?

Why do they deny people access to popular internet platforms?

376145 John P, replying to John P, 15, #859 of 1848 🔗

Like everyone else here I have been dismayed by the attacks on leading lockdown sceptics in the media, scientific and medical fields in recent weeks. Many have been keeen to point out that they are lockdown sceptics and not covid sceptics.

However, I think I might describe myself these days as a covid sceptic as well as a lockdown sceptic.

I have become increasingly mistrustful of government claims regarding covid, particularly since they started talking about the “new variant”. In my considered opinion the “new variant” narrative is nothing more than a device to maintain high levels of anxiety in the minds of members of the public. In short I think we are being lied to about it.

I should just point out that I still do not believe that this was all planned well in advance as some sort of scheme to destroy our way of life. I do not believe that this is a “plandemic”.

But I do think that the claims that are now being made about this virus by the government are largely false.

The so-called “first wave” I now think may even have been largely caused by the lockdown itself, though I remain open to the possibility that some of the deaths may have been caused by the virus.

In view of what was happening in the world way back in March it was probably sensible to put in place some protection measures for vulnerable persons as per the Great Barrington Declaration.

But now there is a huge question to be asked about what has happened to the flu and why flu related deaths are now so low. This has to be explained! Either the covid virus (I get tired of referring to it as “SARS-CoV-2”, you know what I mean) is out-competing the flu virus, or the deaths are being misdiagnosed as covid when they are flu.

I do not accept that this is a “second wave”. Respiratory infections are largely seasonal and more elderly and at-risk people die in winter. Every single year!

So while I am not “covid sceptic” to the extent of believing that the virus does not exist – I’m sure it does. I AM covid sceptic to the extent of greatly doubting what we are now being told about the virus. I don’t think that is anything to be ashamed of and I make no apologies about that.

(From yesterday, in case anyone missed it).

376152 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 10, #860 of 1848 🔗

I agree, though in the eyes of some brainwashed public or those who seek to defeat us, “covid sceptic” and “covid denier” are the same thing.

I am baffled as to why anyone would trust governments about anything as a default position, and even more baffled that after a year of living hell more people are not cynical

376166 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 3, #861 of 1848 🔗

I’m sure I read something somewhere back in September about the flu figures being added to the coercid figures.

376182 ▶▶ Apache, replying to John P, 1, #862 of 1848 🔗

I do not accept that this is a “second wave”.

Keep up will you. My NHS employer is already talking about the third wave!!

376198 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to John P, 4, #863 of 1848 🔗

I think you have said it all as far as I’m concerned. Bang on.
And the trust issues this has caused are enormous. I believe the social contract is completely broken and I no longer strive to be a good citizen in any way that does not suit me and make sense to me. The government and any subsequent one formed by any of the current parties are a busted flush. PHE are a shocking bunch of self serving liars who steal my hard earned money to throw away.
Any good health outcomes in my family in recent years are entirely of our own making. The NHS has only caused harm and I say that as someone who has frontline NHS staff in very close family who I know are working hard. I so wish they wouldn’t take the vaccine but I can’t convince them.

376203 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to John P, -18, #864 of 1848 🔗

Blame Mike Yeadon and all those who have made idiotic assertions about the “end of the pandemic”, “herd immunity achieved”, and anti-vax nonsense.

The anti-lockdown side have been seduced by too many bogus arguments. Lockdowns have little benefit. That should have been the sole focus.

376212 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 1, #865 of 1848 🔗

whether they have benefit or not is moot. they are evil

376226 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 4, #866 of 1848 🔗

My view is that even if there were bodies piled up in the streets it would still be unacceptable.

376231 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #867 of 1848 🔗

yes, rights are either fundamental/inviolable or they aren’t

I thought mine were, it turns out they aren’t

we now live in a post-rights society – rights can be removed if someone screams loud enough or reads a graph wrong

I don’t think there is any going back

376307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steve_w, #868 of 1848 🔗

Re-assert your common law rights

376324 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #869 of 1848 🔗

yes- my daughter – mother of two teenage boys trapped in what is referred to as ‘the village of the damned’ keeps shouting -‘show me the bodies – I want to see the bodies.’

376214 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mayo, #870 of 1848 🔗

I actually think there’s merit in the last two sentences there.

376242 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 5, #871 of 1848 🔗

Yeadon et al.’s analysis of the progress of the virus in 2020 was absolutely supported by the evidence.

In April we saw an abnormal spike in mortality, displaying the typical curve of a virus.

From c. June, this receded to below-average levels of mortality, rising to median levels in autumn-spring. There is nothing to suggest that this was (a) other than a normal seasonal rise in all-cause mortality, and (b) given the tendency to massively over-classify deaths as ‘Covid’, nothing to suggest that SARs-Cov-2 was playing the normal role of a now endemic participant.

As to the New Year series of panics : we are just going to have to wait a month for the reliable all-cause data rather than the nonsense PCR+ stuff.

376255 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 3, #872 of 1848 🔗

yes, I believe the pandemic was over in May. Now is endemic. I don’t believe there was much summer suppression at the end of the pandemic. The curves were tooo similar over a broad range of countries to be weather related

376290 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to RickH, 1, #873 of 1848 🔗

Ivor Cummins also suggested that the epidemic phase was over in May and that it was now endemic. The autumnal spike being the catch up of those areas that were less badly hit in the spring. Also the increased testing using RT-PCR with its associated problems. The definition of a case being a positive test result +/- symptoms also skews the numbers. Until there’s a move to remove the presumption that everyone is infected and infectious unless proven otherwise and the mass testing on admission to hospital the numbers are going to stay high. This approach is unprecedented, even though a significant proportion of people with flu are asymptomatic, we don’t test for the virus in everyone.

376253 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, 1, #874 of 1848 🔗

Agree that lock down is bad in itself. But I would not be so dismissive of Yeadon although he has been too bold to declare the pandemic over. But there are serious problems with PCR tests and in the comment below had this new article
https://zenodo.org/record/4459271#.YAwjxhYxk2w
up to 70% of PCR testing are false pos in the UK.Even if we said only 50% are true C-19 cases and the other cases overwhelming our hospitals are falsely attributed to C-19 but caused by other viruses, the enthusiasm for an experimental ,vaccine administered on EAU basis would perhaps be dampend.

376216 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 6, #875 of 1848 🔗

I don’t believe anything that they now tell us. Every fact now has to be twisted to fit a self-evidently false premise: that lockdowns ‘work’. Instead of the evidence justifying lockdown, lockdown now ‘justifies’ the ‘evidence’ and anything that doesn’t support lockdown is chucked. That’s the opposite of science. And since nothing really justifies lockdown, all the ‘evidence’ is fundamentally flawed.
Eventually the CoronaFascists will be clearly seen as a besieged island of absurdity in the midst of a surging ocean of obvious truth. Rather like a bunch of biologists who deny the operation of natural selection, or geologists who deny the theory of plate tectonics, or astronomers who work on the theory that the sun goes round the earth.

376153 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 17, #876 of 1848 🔗

Regarding Ivermectin:

”But there’s a gap in the data. There’s not been a really rigorous trial.”

I’ve got an idea! How about just give it to people randomly and en masse and see what happens! I think it’s been done somewhere before……

376191 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Banjones, 9, #877 of 1848 🔗

Why not just use it as an emergency use measure (with informed consent) . It has a proven safety record so that shouldn’t be an issue.

At the end of the day, the evidence supporting Ivermectin is no weaker than that for the vaccines. We probably have a better understanding of the long term effects of Ivermectin.

376300 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, 2, #878 of 1848 🔗

Agree.There is noting to lose.Have been used in hundreds of million of people for parasitic disease.Good safety.Why not start Ivermectin/Doxycycline or AZT five days.Can’t wait for this trial which will be ended in a few months.Should start yetserday.Below Mexico City started Ivermectin AZT end of Dec.

377139 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Banjones, #879 of 1848 🔗

there’s a gap in the data for December, but we filled it in with our projected data. So that’s alright then, Neil. Have a knighthood

376169 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #880 of 1848 🔗

Another poll for Lockdown fanatics only. Even the Spectator is susceptible. (Neil?)

Mind you, Katy Balls voted for Biden, so what do you expect?

I’ve shared ‘New poll: when should lockdown end?’ with you from Spectator

https://app.spectator.co.uk/2021/01/24/new-poll-when-should-lockdown-end/content.html

376190 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #881 of 1848 🔗

The Spectator is a Quisling collaborating shitsheet

376210 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 2, #882 of 1848 🔗

I’ve just cancelled my subscription. It ain’t what it used to be especially with Brillo living in the south of France now.

376218 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 3, #883 of 1848 🔗

I hold no candle for The Spectator. Undoubtedly it has been got at, however – but in 2020 it did publish some good, questioning articles.

376174 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 26, #884 of 1848 🔗

Best quote of the day;

Lockdown sceptics which I think is a silly term, anyway i’d just call me/myself a normal person Laura Perrins, 16:16 James and Laura’s Chinwag #11

Yes normal people want to be free!

376200 ▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #885 of 1848 🔗

And the real trouble is that most people now fail to qualify!

376213 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #886 of 1848 🔗

Good point. Perhaps we have painted ourselves into a corner with this title.

I’m just rational. Awake rather than just ‘sceptical’.

376254 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 7, #887 of 1848 🔗

I just selfishly want freedom, i’m ok with it & anyone that doesn’t like it can $%&*”!?:@~#,-=, Asserting my freedom violates no ones right to hide under their, bed & i’m more than happy not to use the NHS.

376183 DRW, replying to DRW, 21, #888 of 1848 🔗

Found the energy yesterday for some country cycling. For some reason I found the sights of nature saddening. An impressive murmuration of several hundred birds, a couple of weasels bouncing across a field, a herd of five deer leaping over fences like gazelles… what was so bad about seeing life as meant to be lived? That most humans have chosen to give it up.

And that’s why I’m completely fine with death, meaningful life is no more.

376202 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to DRW, 12, #889 of 1848 🔗

Please stay with us. You, Poppy and some others are our hope for a bright future.

376207 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, 7, #890 of 1848 🔗

Be like the other creatures.What do they care for a pathetic bunch of Fascist liars?

376208 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to DRW, 5, #891 of 1848 🔗

Humanity does seem very “lost” at present but will hopefully regain sanity eventually. Nature has not lost it’s marbles and carries on as normal. For me, that’s where my pleasure comes from and, without being too presumptuous, I suggest it should for you too. Don’t give up on something that brings pleasure and a sense of reality.

376361 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to godowneasy, 5, #892 of 1848 🔗

I take the view personally that, if I go down, then I go down fighting and I will take a lot of the Covidians with me. I’ve always taken the view that I would only put up with a certain level of ill health before I set myself free from it (ie by committing suicide). Well – that’s not surprising – given that I’ve come from a family with LOADS of major ill health problems and I’ve had to spend literally decades watching one of my parents with all sorts of major health problems and the other one and my former younger sibling didn’t get off scott-free. So – it makes total sense to me that I won’t put up with that sort of stuff and, if my body betrays me with major unsolvable health problems = I am outa here. But, latterly, it has become very clear that my Society may force me into committing suicide – if the mad ones persist with forcing their illogical Lockdown onto me and vastly restricting my life too (ie because of THEIR fears). But, I can assure you, that if I go down for that reason – I’m taking a lot of the Fearfuls down with me too and I will leave a farewell note making it very very plain indeed it’s their fault for restricting my life so to suit their irrational fears and it would not have been my own choice/but they would have put my back against the wall and forced me into that situation. I feel very much that “vengeance is mine” and I will have it if they force me to do this – because they won’t let me have My Life.

376371 ▶▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to ElizaP, #893 of 1848 🔗

With you on that :-/

376440 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to ElizaP, #894 of 1848 🔗

I’m absolutely with you on this one. I’m fit and healthy now but I probably only have a few more years before I succumb to Alzheimer’s disease as my mother has this awful condition. I certainly don’t want to languish for years with this gruesome disease and dread the thought of being looked after by the kind of people whose sole intent is to prolong my suffering by treating anything that would otherwise kill me.

376220 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to DRW, 6, #895 of 1848 🔗

Please don’t let the defeatist views of lockdown zealots stop you from enjoying the wonders of nature. If they have chosen to restrict their lives to watching Coronavirus updates on tv surrounded by four walls, that doesn’t mean we should all do the same. We might pity them but don’t let them drag you down to their level. Get out there and feel the wind in your hair and the sun on your face. That’s living!

376223 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to DRW, 8, #896 of 1848 🔗

I go the parks and open spaces a lot now, and watch birds and other animals. There is a lot to be learn’t from taking the time (which we have now) and really observing them. Even the dogs have a “can do” attitude. The thing is, not being afraid of death is what makes you a survivor, a fighter. They want us to be so terrified of dying that its almost a crime now, to not be afraid. It’s certainly deemed a criminal offence if you DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES to protect EVERYONE ELSE from dying of the only possible cause left to us now, the Covid. Be strong, LIVE your life. It is totally worth it.

376271 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #897 of 1848 🔗

Yes indeed, HH – ”it’s almost a crime now, to not be afraid” . As I persevere with my determined (false) cheerfulness and beaming at muzzlers at every opportunity, I get the feeling that they’d rather not see someone being happy and smiling. ”If we’ve all got to suffer…..”

376279 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 3, #898 of 1848 🔗

It’s not time to give up on it yet.
What we need is collective optimism, and there’s strength in numbers. You’re helping too.

For while the tired waves, vainly breaking
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.

And the rest of that poem!

376439 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to DRW, 1, #899 of 1848 🔗

Nature doesn’t care about lockdowns. Here’s the ever-reliable Joel Salatin on the subject.

https://www.thelunaticfarmer.com/blog/11/3/2020/earthworms-dont-care-a-lick

376205 Cecil B, 19, #900 of 1848 🔗

Look them in the eye and tell them it will only take three weeks to save the NHS

376209 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 33, #901 of 1848 🔗

..

376248 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #902 of 1848 🔗

Try to repress the overwhelming urge to punch him!

376352 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #903 of 1848 🔗

Sorry no – I’d love to…

376251 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 25, #904 of 1848 🔗

376262 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 19, #905 of 1848 🔗

….

376267 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #906 of 1848 🔗

There is a bottomless well of humour to be exploited with these. Love them!

376287 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #907 of 1848 🔗

…..

376334 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #908 of 1848 🔗

Hancock has a certain hamster-like charm; Bojo now has the look of a Nazi collaborator after Stalingrad. In power, secure from domestic opposition, but with a knowledge that it’s all gone to shit and there might just be a reckoning.

377143 ▶▶ iansn, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #909 of 1848 🔗

and tell him he is a fucking useless lying twat

376217 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #910 of 1848 🔗

From the ONS update on deaths in the week ending 8th Jan:

The biggest increase was seen in those aged 90 years and over (619 more deaths). Nearly three-quarters (73.5%) of deaths involving COVID-19 were in people aged 75 years and over.

and

Deaths involving COVID-19 in hospitals as a proportion of all deaths in hospitals increased to 51.4% in Week 1 (from 47.7% in Week 53). Deaths involving COVID-19 in care homes accounted for over one-quarter of all deaths in care homes in Week 1 (28.3%), an increase from Week 53 (27.6%).

Aren’t these the age groups and places being targeted by the vaccination programme?

Pity the government is not researching (publicaly anyway, maybe a FOI is needed) the links between covid deaths and date of vaccination is it?

I have asken in an e-mail to MPs, the PM, Wancock, high profile SAGE members etc but no reply (didn’t expect one).

376249 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #911 of 1848 🔗

‘Involving Covid’ = a meaningless term, I’m afraid.

376283 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, #912 of 1848 🔗

Yep! all being mudered with the vaccine!

376219 l835, replying to l835, 15, #913 of 1848 🔗

Even the stick-on policeman in Morrison’s window has a mask on… (pleased to see Morrison’s profits are so healthy they can afford to reprint the whole sticker, rather than just supply a stick on mask to apply to the old sticker, and then there’s the environmental issues to consider…)

Whilst in there I met a friend who lectures at a local college. Tried a conversation, but he was sporting a rather nifty muzzle with the college’s logo embroidered on it (pleased to see the college has enough money to supply their staff with these snazzy items)

Personally I’m saving every penny i can, as I think that “rainy day” isn’t too far off.

376252 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to l835, 2, #914 of 1848 🔗

Oh god I thought it was just the college I work for that was doing masks with the College logo on it. It’s obviously catching 🤦‍♀️

376289 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #915 of 1848 🔗

It’s beyond depressing that these muzzles are now being seen as fashion accessories.
I was searching the Tilley site for a gift – and a whole range of the ugly things came up. Needless to say, I decided to take my custom elsewhere.

376350 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #916 of 1848 🔗

That one has been going for some time now – ie masks personalised with logos. The local WASPI group here in West Wales (ie Women Against State Pension Increases) group has masks with the logo on and have for some months now. It’s a puzzle to me as to just WTF womens state pension increases have to do with Covid – but there’s obviously someone somewhere in the group that has been doing their darndest to tack on this totally unrelated cause because they personally think that way. !!! There’s always one….

376493 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to ElizaP, 1, #917 of 1848 🔗

Free advertising. Lot more portable than a sandwich board though the latter doesn’t give you hypoxia.

376904 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ambwozere, #918 of 1848 🔗

It is just another maifestation of the idea that every blank space should be used for advertising something or other. It also serv es as product branding.

I for one eagerly anticipate the return of company scrip, for use only in the company store, conveniently sited close to the company-provided housing units.

376221 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #919 of 1848 🔗

Anybody been to a park? Are there kids out sledging and making snowmen? There’re a lot of people out in my street which is good to see, and I could hear teenagers shouting in the woods and apparently having fun (the murdering bastards).

376229 ▶▶ l835, replying to Jo Starlin, -10, #920 of 1848 🔗

They won’t be laughing when they are Ill for a day or two with flu like symptoms.

376421 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to l835, 3, #921 of 1848 🔗

Come on you can do better -surely “On a ventilator”

376496 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to arfurmo, 3, #922 of 1848 🔗

“for a day or two” “flu like” ie not dead, not in hospital, not dying, not seriously ill. Mocking the claimed effects by those who seek to lockdown the world and remove all the joy from life.

376425 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to l835, 4, #923 of 1848 🔗

That may indeed happen to some, not many. Some may even regret their actions, some may not

It is what is called freedom of choice, and human life

Feel free to stay at home and do something else

376498 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Julian, 3, #924 of 1848 🔗

Joke ffs

376914 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to l835, #925 of 1848 🔗

Citizen,

Please report to your nearest re-education centre. This so-called ‘joke’ thought is doubleplus ungood. It distracts from the essential unity of strong action against this merciless enemy.

Remember, citizen, we are at war with SARS-CoV-19. We have always been at war with SARS-CoV-19.

376230 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #926 of 1848 🔗

I’m always going to the park. Just a mere sprinkling of snow this morning, so no snowmen but it’s always really busy these days, which is good…and people are starting to chat.

376241 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #927 of 1848 🔗

Good stuff. I’d go up to my local one but it’s coming down thick and fast and I might not get back down the hill in one piece!

376260 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #928 of 1848 🔗

Yep, been out with my 6 yo this morning. Quiet when we arrived, but it was still snowing quite heavily. By the time we left, it was much busier. Lots of kids, dogs, even adults making snowmen all over the place. Plenty of kids on sledges (and it’s a very flat park), even two people cross country skiing! In a park that takes only 10-15 minutes to circumnavigate – very optimistic. Everyone appeared to be having a good time. Lots of people leaving corpses in their wake as they drank their takeaway coffees. I’m a dog walker so almost guaranteed to have covid these days, or so I understand, but no one leapt out of my path in horror…

376282 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #929 of 1848 🔗

Son went out before lunch (into town to get some shopping). Reported many people clearly out and about who were not from the same household. More significantly, he saw and heard loads of teenagers in the park just outside town – no CCTV cameras and less likely to be policed due to the access conditions.

376418 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #930 of 1848 🔗

Yes, all of that happening round my way

376225 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #931 of 1848 🔗

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(20)30244-5

A new article discussing that previous exposure to common corona viruses shapes the response to Sars-Cov 2 infecton. Another important element that the Sars-Cov2 virus is not that new for us.

Epitope-resolved profiling of the SARS-CoV-2 antibody response identifies cross-reactivity with endemic human coronaviruses

By comparing patterns of homologous reactivity between CoVs and using targeted antibody-depletion experiments, we demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 elicits antibodies that cross-recognize pandemic and endemic CoV antigens at two Spike S2 subunit epitopes. We further show that these cross-reactive antibodies preferentially bind endemic homologs. Our findings highlight sites at which the SARS-CoV-2 response appears to be shaped by previous CoV exposures and which have the potential to raise broadly neutralizing responses.

376923 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to swedenborg, #932 of 1848 🔗

I bet early humanity had similar problems with the common cold virus (aka first known coronavirus) when it first appeared. I bet cave entrances were jammed with corpses of the dead initially, then it rapidly became endemic and merely annoying (for the great majority of people with reasonbably good health).

376227 John David, replying to John David, 19, #933 of 1848 🔗

I also find the attack on anyone conceived to be a Lockdown Sceptic as deeply disturbing. Like many people here I do not deny there is a virus that is causing disease and indeed death within certain demographics of society. It is serious. Moreover, I have lost both friends and acquaintances from this virus.

But the real question is how we go about tackling this situation. Blanket lock downs do not work. They delay viral transmission within the population but they do not remove it. Without herd immunity (either naturally or via vaccination) this cycle will repeat itself after every lockdown.

Let us remember the original reason for this was to take pressure off health services that may not be able to cope. But let’s also remember this is a common occurrence (as it was in 2018) for the National Health Service due to winter respiratory diseases. Perhaps the government needs to ask the question as to what they need to do to remedy this problem within the NHS during the winter time. They seem to find enough money for such things as Track and Trace perhaps more concrete solutions in the long term would be a better investment within our health systems.

Returning to the question of the vilification of anyone who may be considered a Lockdown Sceptic we need to look no further than a lazy mainstream media, a pernicious social media and the inherent ability of humans to be tribal.

I also feel that – amongst the many victims of this current insanity – is going to be objective science itself. The government have aptly demonstrated its inability to deliver scientific messages in a clear and concise way without resorting to propaganda and fear. However, that should come as no surprise because advisors to SAGE have stated last year that fear was one of the keys in getting social compliance from the public.

At this time it’s very important for us who subscribed to a objective evaluation of the current situation not to be intimidated into silence.

One final point: the reason that there might be quite a bit of perceived public sympathy for lockdowns (or even harder lockdowns) is that large numbers of people are being cushioned from financial problems by the government furlough scheme. The financial implications of the current situation will not hit them until several months further forward.

I sincerely hope that when the situation has been resolved there will be a fool and frank and objective public enquiry. Only in this way can this financial and long-term health disaster not be repeated in the future.

376273 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John David, 3, #934 of 1848 🔗

Inquiries leading to indictments.

376305 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Annie, 2, #935 of 1848 🔗

And prison

376475 ▶▶ Woden, replying to John David, #936 of 1848 🔗

‘Objectivity’ is a very slippery concept, in science and anywhere else.

376232 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 39, #937 of 1848 🔗

Look ME in the eye and tell ME :

  • why your life was worth saving
  • why your granny’s life was worth saving
  • my business was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • my retirement was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • why my wife’s mental health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • why my dad’s mental health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • why my wife’s physical health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • why my dad’s physical health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life
  • why the country was worth sacrificing to save your miserable political career
376358 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #938 of 1848 🔗

Just sent to the PM via the contact No.10 website.

376240 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #940 of 1848 🔗

I used to take food to the foodbank weekly. Then I worried that some might go to someone that believes in lockdown so I stopped. Why should I help someone that believes my rights have no value? Someone that wants to see me imprisoned in my own home with no end in sight?

I have to look for another way to help people – maybe specific targetted help at someone normal rather than a wannabe fascist

376245 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 6, #941 of 1848 🔗

I think you’re over-reacting. Those paralysed by fear are just as much victims.

376512 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to RickH, 1, #942 of 1848 🔗

Not when such unenlightened (ignorant) people are helping prevent a return of our freedoms by perpetuating the fear in the community and are therefore complicit with the government.

376559 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #943 of 1848 🔗

But they’re the weak ones. And we should protect the weak. And if we were in the ascendant, and the majority, then it would be our pleasure and pride to help them. But as they’re making us struggle, and suggesting that we’re the bad ones, it does make it difficult to be Christian about it!

376246 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 9, #944 of 1848 🔗

Time to behave like adults!

The new “anti-virus” (anti-lockdown sceptics) website gives the real game away in the following statement.

Q. Surely you don’t think there’s just one “right answer” to questions on COVID. It’s a new disease, after all. How can you be sure you’re not just as wrong as the Sceptics [?

A. We do not claim to have a single right answer, and we change our minds as the evidence changes. But there are some clearly wrong answers that persist because people are unaware of new evidence, or unwilling to change their minds. This site is about highlighting those persistent wrong answers.

In other words, the same could be said for the lockdown sceptics website. There is clearly no such thing as “the science” on this incredibly important policy of lockdowns as we speak and there is no certainty that lockdowns ultimately are a good thing.

At very least we have now moved on from the moronic childish insults and can perhaps have an adult debate?

I await the first national televised debate on the policy of lockdown on the bbc or itv. We’ve only had to wait 10 months for it!

Toby, I suggest we propose as such….1.5-2 hours required.

376297 ▶▶ leggy, replying to tony rattray, 1, #945 of 1848 🔗

I’ve just had a read through some of that site, but I had to stop as it was bad for my blood pressure!

376415 ▶▶ Julian, replying to tony rattray, 3, #946 of 1848 🔗

Such a debate will never happen because the enemy know they would lose – that is clearly shown by their use of smear words and emotional manipulation and bullying when arguing against sceptics – because they know they do not have facts on their side

376434 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to tony rattray, 2, #947 of 1848 🔗

The problem is that it isn’t “science’ that makes all our lives safe. The Scientific Method yes forms a part of it but “science’ is academia. What makes our lives safe is Engineering and Auditing. The process of brutally testing and verifying something is safe to use is what all these eejits take for granted.

They think modelling is evidence or that it can be used.

The problem is that to them Science is Magic.

376547 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to tony rattray, #948 of 1848 🔗

I fear the time for facts and figures and rational debate has passed. Hit them hard with their own medicine, like the sceptic versions of their “look them in the eye” memes….

377148 ▶▶ iansn, replying to tony rattray, #949 of 1848 🔗

its a shite site as there are no comments allowed, you must email them, there are no discussions. Just a totally contrived leader page with no substance or form behind it. Whoa Im trembling at the force of good it will generate. Not !

376256 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #950 of 1848 🔗

Life is full of mysteries. One is how many people apparently believe that the government’s responses to the coronavirus are scientific. Not only are they not scientific, we have been repeatedly told they are not scientific by the very people who are the instigators.

The House of Commons Select Committee on Science and Technology has seen a stream of such admissions.

When the Committee asked Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England for the scientific basis for the two metre social distancing rule, she replied: “The precautionary principle.”

When the government reversed itself on face masks for the general population, the Committee asked Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer, for the new scientific evidence. He replied: “The data have not changed, we changed our interpretation.”

The lockdown policy, of course, had no scientific basis as no one had been mad enough to lockdown a whole country prior to 2020. As Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, acknowledged at the Coronavirus Daily Update on 10 April 2020, the government had made no attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the lockdown measures. Yet, it was “the science.”

Other policy responses were equally obviously just made up. The Rule of Six, for example, was clearly nothing more than made up. Even the government’s scientific advisors could not come up with a rationale for the rule. When BBC Breakfast interviewed an epidemiologist on this, he stated that it ought to be a Rule of One. A rather obvious illustration of the madness that informs the responses to the virus.

And this theatre of the absurd just kept getting even more bizarre. The government decided to introduce a hospitality curfew, ensuring large numbers of people would be leaving at precisely the same time. They demanded masks be worn when standing, but could be removed when seated in the same venue. One might have been forgiven for thinking the clever scientists have discovered the virus can measure time and space and the politicians had negotiated a deal with it, for we were told in all solemnity that the pollcies were scientific.

All these absurdities have been based on the notion that the PCR test scientifically identifies people who are infected, and the number of positive test results have been (mis)labelled as cases to justify the restrictions. Yet the PCR test is not fit for purpose as a diagnostic test, and even if all the positive tests were accurate, they would not necessarily be cases.

Not only has the government been making up “the science”, they have been wilfully ignoring actual science and evidence. For example, internationally there has been a variety of responses to the virus. Some countries have had extremely draconian lockdowns, whilst others have had far fewer or even no restrictions. These different responses have shown that there is no benefit to the lockdowns. The government ignore this and resort to the counter-factual claim that things would have been worse if they not implemented their draconian measures. Precisely the same can be seen in the mask mandates: forcing the population to wear face masks has had zero benefit.

The “science” of the government’s responses (excepting its psychological campaign against the people) has been nothing more than a rhetorical device. The government is not basing its policies on science, rather it is using pseudoscience to provide an air of legitimacy for its wholly criminal policies. And yet intelligent, educated people, who claim to know about the virus and the responses apparently believe that the government’s responses are scientific.

376270 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #951 of 1848 🔗

Nice post, it’s all about control.

I love this Darren Brown clip, I think it shows what we’re up against…

https://vimeo.com/155150246

376292 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #952 of 1848 🔗

The really scary bit? It’s not just the UK government.
Australia, Canada, states in the U.S., among many other countries, are doing the same if not very similar.
There’s no real science behind it except the science of psychological warfare turned on the citizens of their own country.

376298 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 7, #953 of 1848 🔗

It was particularly depressing seeing Australia (Victoria primarily) succumbing so willingly to the coercion. Who’d have thought that the free-thinking Aussies could be so easily manipulated and scared out of their wits?

376344 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Banjones, 2, #954 of 1848 🔗

Even before Covid, Australians were very obedient when it comes to health & safety matters.

376531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #955 of 1848 🔗

Yes the “wild colonial boy” and the larrikin spirit died a death there many years ago. Now very woke…

376552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #956 of 1848 🔗

Very much like Canadians, then. They think themselves ‘strong and free’ – and in many ways they are. And they’re the best of people. But yes – I don’t think I ever realised it before now, they are rule-takers and in thrall to the ”H&S” tosh that they’re showered with. I could see it when I lived there, but I didn’t realise what harm it could do – as now.

376342 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #957 of 1848 🔗

You have summed this up very accurately. The only thing I would add is that in all this, there has been no explanation of what moral values underpin the ever changing strategy. Presumably this is because there are none and it is entirely driven by how it is perceived by the media from day to day.

376360 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Kat, 4, #958 of 1848 🔗

The media’s hysterical fear-mongering has certainly played a substantial and significant role. I think the so called journalists would be well advised to review the trial of Julius Streicher, who the Nuremberg Tribunal found guilty of crimes against humanity. The prosecution had accused him of propaganda; he had claimed he had produced journalism. The Tribunal sentenced him to be hanged for his words, anyhow.

376939 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #959 of 1848 🔗

The media were deliberately encouraged to promote fear as a means of coercing obediance. This is documented in SAGE minutes. The same minutes also describe the use of social media, etc to denigrate anyone querying the party line.

We are where we are through deliberate pre-meditated agency, not the result of unfortunate coincidences.

376402 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #960 of 1848 🔗

Just read the ‘Old Lady Who Swallowed A Fly’ piece in Off-Guardian. I’ve seen some wonky conspiracy stuff so I’m hardened but when I read it, the light went on. Ahhh. Something is making sense, finally.

377033 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #961 of 1848 🔗

That piece is basically what I think. I’d only add that I think we came very close to having the same shitshow enacted, for the same reasons, in 2009.

376257 Raquel, 1, #962 of 1848 🔗

Good comment today from the reader venting their disgust at the “look into their eyes” advert. I put in my complaint to the ASA about it yesterday. Anyone else? More complaints the better to get that disgraceful emotional shock tactic messaging taken down ….

376259 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #963 of 1848 🔗

White Supremacy

Tony Heller – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFelwmbRI8

Joe Biden says supporters of President Trump are “white supremacists” and “terrorists.” I live in Cheyenne, Wyoming – the most Republican state. Cheyenne is a military town with a very diverse population, and people get along great. I’ve never met a “white supremacist” – but if Joe Biden says so, it must be true.

376274 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #964 of 1848 🔗

It looked like that last September when Tony posted a similar video, ie with snow on the ground, and an entire one Biden/Harris yard sign.

So Biden is the most popular presidential candidate in the history of America, with over 80 million votes, and he’s started his first term with an approval rating of less than 50%.
Obama started his presidency with an approval rating of 63% (which then inevitably fell), and Trump’s was 57% (I think).
So the candidate with the Most Votes Ever!! has an approval rating of just 48%. Hmmm….

376319 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to LMS2, #965 of 1848 🔗

That’s a damming stat

376368 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to LMS2, 2, #966 of 1848 🔗

Give it a few days & Biden won’t see 48% ever again..there’s widespread reports of buyer’s remorse already with his actions re the keystone pipeline predicting thousands of job losses and will sending energy prices skyrocketing, he’s banned fracking for natural gas after repeated denials that he ever would do such a thing, he’s blocked Trump’s price cuts on many drugs so things like insulin are about to spiral upwards in price; and after his EO regarding identity African-American women (in particular) are starting to make some noise, realizing that in things like sports scholarships, they will be competing against biologically born males; the only requirement for the EO being to self identify as female, makes you eligible.

376718 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #967 of 1848 🔗

Number of ‘thumbs down’ dislikes on the White House youtube channel is huge too…

376264 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 21, #968 of 1848 🔗

Our local Facebook page for the town I live in,people have said they have notified the Police regarding kids outside sledging down a hill.They should not be out and are not social distancing.
This is going to far.The only way this will stop is when there is a big rise in unemployment and the private pensions crash.

376275 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Dartford44, 16, #969 of 1848 🔗

I now feel I could do physical harm to scum like that,the snitches that is,not the sledgers !.

376284 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Dartford44, 14, #970 of 1848 🔗

If you’re on Facebook, post some of those “look them in the eye” memes that have been posted here.
Then ask why children should be punished with not being allowed out when they’re at almost zero risk….

No doubt they’ll block you, but a few might rethink their position.

376506 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to LMS2, #971 of 1848 🔗

I posted a set of those “look them in the eye” memes on FB this morning. They are still there…

376320 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dartford44, #972 of 1848 🔗

My sceptic sis keeps me informed about InYourFaceBook and the kind of comments she reads in our local rag. She says the ignorance and aggression are beyond depressing.
Strangely (she says) the same ignorance and aggression have been shown by Trump-haters and (formerly) Remainers!
(Saving your presence, Fingerache – I don’t include you as one of this type of Remainer!)

376353 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Banjones, 1, #973 of 1848 🔗

In my experience local rag readers spin on a pin head and follow the next trend as quick as the next outrage will have them do it. Their rage and anger is not their own although they do not know that.

376470 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, #974 of 1848 🔗

Trouble is, the same aggression and ignorance has been shown by Trump-lovers and Brexiteers (See : ‘government’ and zealots). – i.e. no correlation beyond bias confirmation.

377154 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Dartford44, #975 of 1848 🔗

whats the page address so we can hammer it

376265 isobar, replying to isobar, 16, #976 of 1848 🔗

One thing that continues to bug me is the seeming failure to highlight the attack on our human rights. I’m no lawyer but on the assumption that we are still signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights, see https://www.amnesty.org.uk/what-is-the-european-convention-on-human-rights , the Coronavirus Act seems to drive a coach and horses through its articles. Yes there is scope for a derogation to ignore some specific rights (see article 15) at a time of war or other emergency threatening the life of the nation. But if anything is threatening the life of the nation it’s the ludicrous overreaction of the Government to a respiratory virus rather than the threat of the virus itself. So I guess the question that I ask myself is how does the Government get away with it??

376280 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 19, #977 of 1848 🔗

They’re getting away with it because MPs are letting them, protests have been made illegal, and no court will hear such a case.
The Establishment has closed ranks and are punishing us.

376303 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 1, #978 of 1848 🔗

That’s maybe, but punishing us for what?

376308 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to isobar, 8, #979 of 1848 🔗

For daring to think we have any rights at all

376301 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to isobar, 3, #980 of 1848 🔗

The irony is that the European Convention on Human Rights was a direct result of the Second World War to prevent another Nazi type regime which walked over people’s rights. It is enacted in U.K. law through the human rights act. It is also included in the laws of all EU states as a requirement for membership, even though the ECHR is nothing to do with the EEC/EU and predates the latter by 10 years.

376304 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, 1, #981 of 1848 🔗

The European Convention on Human Rights applied to the people of this country without the Human Rights Act 1998.

376330 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #982 of 1848 🔗

Yes but I could now sue the govt in a county court for infringing my human rights. Pre-1998 I’d have needed to hire lawyers to take a case to Strasbourg.

The last time I filled in a county court claim form – about 5 years ago – it asked if my claim made any reference to human rights.

Obviously …
no if it’s an unpaid bill or breach of contract
yes if the government has put you unlawfully under house arrest … solitary confinement if you live on your own.

Restricting the right to see, cuddle and hug your own family is a clear breach of the right to family life. No doubt this explains the court decisions in Germany, Bosnia, Portugal, maybe elsewhere.

376354 ▶▶▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to John001, 4, #983 of 1848 🔗

It’s crap. I live on my own. Family all brainwashed (though 250 500 miles away anyway). I feel like I’ve been dead already for 10 months.

376335 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, #984 of 1848 🔗

It was codified into the HRA, bear in mind that until 1964 we were in breach of part of the ECHR. Until much later we were still in breach of the same provision.
As John001 it needed a court case in Strasbourg to determine whether the ECHR had been broken. By codifying it into U.K. law it could be assessed much more cheaply and quicker in U.K. courts.

376314 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to p02099003, 4, #985 of 1848 🔗

And here we are in a police state about to be asset-stripped by a fascist dictatorship – not a conspiracy theory – a real conspiracy!!

376530 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 2, #986 of 1848 🔗

I think this is – in symbolic terms – the massive leap backwards that shames Europe in light of the sacrifices of 1939-45 the real McCoy rather than the sentimental slush.

In the end, it is the legacy (as we thought) of ‘Never Again!’ that produced the international legal framework of Human Rights that was the most significant lasting (as we thought) outcome.

Beyond the obvious, disgust, shame and despondency at the easy trashing of this framework is uppermost in my mind. I want to apologise to the previous generation for what has happened as we descend to the level of Germany in 1933.

376309 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, 10, #987 of 1848 🔗

What is troubling me most of all right now is that we’ll probably be coerced into taking the poisonous vaccine. We’ll be made offers we’ll find difficult to refuse – not by the government, but by private enterprises, who are making up their own rules on discrimination. Then it’ll be a case of ”no medical treatment without a vaccine certificate” and so on, down and down and down.
I intend to hold out, but….

376315 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 7, #988 of 1848 🔗

They simply cannot make it a condition of employment. If they manage that, I think its game over. Any idea that workers had protections from over reach by employers into private affairs will be destroyed.

376333 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #989 of 1848 🔗

That’s why I posted this yesterday. And good luck to them!
https://mobile.twitter.com/rosellacottage

(Unlike Saga holidays, which, apparently, is requiring its customers – you know, the people who pay inflated prices for their ”services” – to have the ‘jab’ at least two weeks before they care ”permitted” to pour their money into Saga’s coffers.)

376338 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Banjones, 4, #990 of 1848 🔗

Am waiting with interest – and hope – for Saga to go bankrupt and serve them right.

376431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to ElizaP, #991 of 1848 🔗

Safest cruise ship in the world is the Diamond Princess as the staff are all immune.

376349 ▶▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #992 of 1848 🔗

When I started my student nurse training many moons ago it was a precondition of employment, it makes sense as you’re working in/with a higher risk/ vulnerable sub population . Extrapolating that to all employees in the general population is just plain wrong imo; deliberately instills the perception that we are all at an overwhelming rusk when, in fact, we are not.

376712 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Raquel, #993 of 1848 🔗

In those days the number of vaccinations people received was far fewer than it is now, and with fewer ‘extra’ ingredients..

376507 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #994 of 1848 🔗

A vital point. It contradicts the definition of a civilzed employment framework.

376318 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 1, #995 of 1848 🔗

Good luck, me too!

376336 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Banjones, 3, #996 of 1848 🔗

I’m certainly spotting a lot of pressure already on employees to take the vax – whether they’ve decided to themselves or no. It’s truly shocking. Now awaits all the legal claims in years to come from employees forced into it against their will and subsequently getting ill or dying from it.

376341 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Banjones, 6, #997 of 1848 🔗

You have to decide where your line in the sand is, and stick to it. Don’t let them sway you, don’t let anyone pressure you because the consequences, if anything goes wrong, will be yours, and yours alone.

376383 ▶▶▶ Leaky, replying to Banjones, 14, #998 of 1848 🔗

First, these are not ‘vaccines’, they are irreversible, experimental, genetically modified biological agents: Dr Andrew Wakefield – http://tapnewswire.com/2021/01/dr-wakefield-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-irreversible-genetic-modification/

Second, any forced, coerced and mandated ‘vaccines’ violate the principles of the Nuremberg Code which states: ‘Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned.’

Our Government, public health officials, etc are committing appalling grievous crimes against their own citizens in the name of a virus that poses a minimal threat to most. You have to ask why?

376482 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leaky, #999 of 1848 🔗

Great post

376955 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Leaky, #1000 of 1848 🔗

The word ‘vaccine’ seems to bring out the Dr. Mengele in a lot of people. It seems to connote something intrinsicaly good. However, they are just drugs with potential benefits and potential side effects. If the side effects outweigh the benefits for a given person, the drug should not be taken. If not, we will soon have another thalidomide scenario.

We know that indiscriminate use of antibiotics has led to a massive problem with antibiotic-resistant pathogens. Will the equivalent happen with antiviral drugs? My guess is yes, via the same selective mechanisms.

376414 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Banjones, #1001 of 1848 🔗

I’m extremely worried about this as I work for a charity in social care. My employer has just started to insist all staff have one PCR test and two lateral flow tests a week. Previously all testing was voluntary and I didn’t participate. I’ve protested about this to no avail as it’s a case of get tested or lose my job. I imagine the next step will be forced vaccines.

376481 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to fiery, 2, #1002 of 1848 🔗

If you are a permanent employee and your contract does not provide for this testing then they can’t force you. They might then want to change your contracts but that cant be done unless the employer follows a lengthy consulting process and still needs to get your approval.

Challenge them on this. Also request the risk assessment that they have done as part of this implementation. Then ask them to provide you with a document where they will accept responsibility should you get injured by this testing process – long instrument getting very close to your brain, jabbing your sensitive skin on a regular basis — infections, skin irritation, perforation of skin that leads to brain.

Keep calm, state your points in a constructive manner.

Good luck!

376513 ▶▶▶▶ Janice, replying to fiery, 1, #1003 of 1848 🔗

The White Rose http://www.thewhiterose.uk has template letters for you to give to your employer. Very interesting website.

376348 ▶▶ Basics, replying to isobar, #1004 of 1848 🔗

Brexit without the exit

376374 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to isobar, 1, #1005 of 1848 🔗

Because people are baffled by science and are ignorant (as in unknowing, not wilful, although it might be in some or many cases) of microbiology, virology, epidemiology and numbers.

DavidC

376466 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DavidC, 1, #1006 of 1848 🔗

More than likely, particularly in Government! They might want to take a look at the recent report by the EHRC to see the wholesale damage they are doing to society, damage that probably won’t affect them personally. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/equality_and_human_rights_commission_how_coronavirus_has_affected_equality_and_human_rights_2020.pdf .

376424 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to isobar, #1007 of 1848 🔗

They broke it in Northern Ireland by using Emergency Powers. It held for a good few decades.

376457 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to mhcp, #1008 of 1848 🔗

Have they invoked emergency powers here (forgive me for my ignorance) ?

376266 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 36, #1009 of 1848 🔗

Had an excellent evening!

Had 4 mates over for a cards night.

Got absolutely sloshed before playing hours of Perudo.

All the gang think LD’s a mental and totally ineffective.

Didn’t get to bed until well past 2 am…

Now feeling a bit worse for wear!

376276 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 11, #1010 of 1848 🔗

But I bet you feel a lot better otherwise.

Unfortunately, the neighbours I speak to all believe in lockdowns, etc.

Worse still, they also hate Trump, but I bet they don’t know exactly why…

376423 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1011 of 1848 🔗

you are drinking and card-playing us back to freedom my friend

376586 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to JaneHarry, #1012 of 1848 🔗

I did also have a few I’ll advised ciggies. Probably why I’ve been sat by the fire all day researching for our next podcast!

377245 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1013 of 1848 🔗

A very similar story here!

376302 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #1014 of 1848 🔗

Fishy Rishi ending £20 extra for universalo credit.. despite the tories doubling the number on it.. no extra for lagacy benefits (mostly all sick and disabled).. and get this.. maybe those on universal credit will instead get £500 or £1000 as a one off payment because this will be spent in the economy.. yeah.. what like on rent or food?

Fuck me.

376327 ▶▶ l835, replying to chaos, 1, #1015 of 1848 🔗

Working tax credit is a legacy benefit. Didn’t get the £20 week extra.

376346 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to l835, 1, #1016 of 1848 🔗

Worth looking into, you might be due a lump sum backdated, I got the extra £20 on WTC

376310 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1017 of 1848 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAvjU2LBkg&feature=emb_logo

Anthony Fauci: Asymptomatic Transmission NEVER Drives Outbreaks

376323 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1018 of 1848 🔗

Has that strange advert appeared on telly recently (I don’t watch much) where there is ectoplasm issuing forth from people’s mouths – obviously meant to be the virus? And telling us how we could all be killers through asymptomatic transmission.

376369 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Banjones, 6, #1019 of 1848 🔗

I’ve been looking really hard for that green ectoplasm, a great way to tell who’s got it, but haven’t seen anyone yet. It must mean no one’s got it. I’ll keep looking.

DavidC
(/sarc off)

376533 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1020 of 1848 🔗

Ectoplasmic transmission.

376311 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1021 of 1848 🔗

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=PIRBRIGHT+ROTHSCHILD&ia=web

Pirbright in Surrey. Some think Coronavirus was developed there.

376317 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1022 of 1848 🔗

Jefferson Airplane, Crown of Creation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_oJ64K-z2g

376708 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bebophaircut, #1023 of 1848 🔗

Patented there, and apparently the Queen signed that patent very quickly..

376321 Mark Pulsford, replying to Mark Pulsford, 13, #1024 of 1848 🔗

I’ll be supporting the reopening on 30th January.

376325 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark Pulsford, 1, #1025 of 1848 🔗

Tell us more!

376331 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Mark Pulsford, 4, #1026 of 1848 🔗

I shall be in town on that date myself – to check out whether anything has re-opened. If it has – then I’ll be in there – supporting it.

376510 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to ElizaP, #1027 of 1848 🔗

Me tt

376514 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Janette, #1028 of 1848 🔗

Me too that should say!

376328 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #1030 of 1848 🔗

The problem is that this report has not been peer-reviewed. As an academic friend once said to me, “If it’s not peer-reviewed, it’s not relevant.”

Which is a bad idea and an appeal to authority. It’s called “pal review” for a reason. It has next to no filtering capacity any more. Any rich group of people can create a journal and review each other’s work.

The gold standard is independent replication – preferably by somebody with the exact opposite viewpoint.

If you believe in peer review then you encourage group think and exclusion. An argument should stand on its own merits. Not whether certain people vouch for it

376340 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1031 of 1848 🔗

Peer review is a brilliant concept. Let down once cold hard scientific logic meets human nature.

376416 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1032 of 1848 🔗

As I commented below, it’s only so it’s deemed sufficient to enter the scientific discourse. That’s it. It could be a load of shite but there’s enough okay with it that it can be referenced for being shite. Which does happen.

376523 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, #1033 of 1848 🔗

Who peer reviewed the Magic Money Tree theory you are fond of espousing?

376557 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1034 of 1848 🔗

Well, it is true that much of the peer-review process has been widely corrupted, as demonstrated by three academics who deliberately wrote completely nonsensical papers that were published.
Having proven that these journals would publish such cr*p, the university one of the 3 academics worked in then sacked him.

But at least peer review managed to get a fake scientific paper withdrawn from the BMJ last year. I believe it was a meta-study of HcQ in CV19 treatment.

376329 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1035 of 1848 🔗

2 million out of the 5.5 million poor bastards living in Sturgonia had cash payments refused in 2020 – on grounds they must pay by digital transaction.

Spend an afternoon learning about the global push to cashless society and how to prevent essentially a life lived solely on store credit.

https://youtu.be/dUb66PZ5EgY
Corbett Report Extra.

Schwab is dismissed as a crank early on, it’s an interesting chat.

376646 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Basics, -4, #1036 of 1848 🔗

The smug hypocrisy of Corbett and Catherine Austin Fitts is shameless. From being part of the world financial elite she now deems herself to be part of the ‘we’, and starts to define how ‘we’ should now live. Like rats leaving a sinking ship the elites scatter, and then reinvent themselves as benign leaders of the new era. Dolores Cahill being another..
Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss…

376704 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1037 of 1848 🔗

Links?

377174 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1038 of 1848 🔗

Strange outlook you have to think people discussing alternatives to the obvious intentions of the globalists equates to being your boss.

You don’t explain what is smug about corbett or Cahill.. do you understand what smug means?

Your own flippant remarks paint you as smug.

Glad you’ve joined up, you stop me looking like the ignorant one.

376332 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1039 of 1848 🔗

Vitamin D. Instead of the village idiot,posing as our Health Secretary, spending 22 billion pounds for a useless mass testing has spent some of this for cheap vitamin therapy on a massive scale in care home during the winter.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81419-w
Autumn COVID-19 surge dates in Europe correlated to latitudes, not to temperature-humidity, pointing to vitamin D as contributing factor “The study proves no correlation between the country surge date and the 2 weeks preceding temperature or humidity but shows an impressive linear correlation with latitude. The country surge date corresponds to the time when its sun UV daily dose drops below ≈ 34% of that of 0° latitude”

376362 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1040 of 1848 🔗

Agree.

However the NHS only recommends 400IU (10mcg) per day — that will never fix the Vitamin D levels of the population or provide protection against viral attacks.

Most people should take at least 10x as much 4,000IU vitamin D3 per day – take it with Magnesium and Vitamin K2 that will ensure that Calcium is absorbed in the bones and teeth – and NO this level is not dangerous.

Some doctors prescribed a massive dose i.e. 260,000 IU of vitamin D2 once a month — the body struggles to absorb that much in one day. In an effort to increase vitamin D levels to a healthy range, vitamin D3 should be taken every day.

It is highly recommended that people get a blood test to determine the vitamin D level and then dose accordingly.

376376 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, #1041 of 1848 🔗

And get outside in the daylight with your sleeves rolled up as much as possible – cannot beat the genuine stuff.

376395 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1042 of 1848 🔗

Agree, but your body can’t make vitamin D from sun from October to March – the sun is too low in the sky.

376380 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1043 of 1848 🔗

I’ve just been watching a video of a talk between John Campbell & David Davis (MP) on vitamin D.

Quite impressed with Davis’s depth of research and decent level of knowledge.

376337 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #1044 of 1848 🔗

Wow, i m sure it has already been posted here -but just seen that film supposedly taken from Biden s motorcade travelling through DC showing a multitude of National Guard turning their backs and in some cases actually spitting at the new President – WELL DONE LADS !!

376372 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1045 of 1848 🔗
376534 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1046 of 1848 🔗

The MSM are busily claiming that it’s completely standard. Presumably the guards are keeping an eye on the non-existent supporters/protesters.

Trump had more supporters waiting to greet him in Florida than Biden had at his inauguration.

And the PTB are disabling comments and removing downvotes on official WH videos.
Can’t think why they’d need to do that considering that Biden is the most popular presidential candidate EVER!! with a record-breaking 81 million votes, including from at least 8000 dead people, who were absolutely not going to let death stand in the way of voting.

376701 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1047 of 1848 🔗

Have people read that Biden had to charter a plane to travel to his own inauguration, whereas normally the military send a plane to collect the President-elect..
Something is going on.
Also if you watch the footage of the swearing-in, two young girls, in white and pink, appear and disappear from the background (and it’s not just camera angles..)

376339 steve_w, 2, #1048 of 1848 🔗

Zoe update – nothing much to report

latest R=0.8 – still lower than last summer but has stopped falling

376345 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1049 of 1848 🔗

Has China hacked my phone? I am seeing red flags all over the place.

376363 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Basics, #1050 of 1848 🔗

Same here

376384 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, #1051 of 1848 🔗

Seems like we now have a report a post function. Can’t see that being abused by our late night visiting covidians at all.

376389 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Basics, #1052 of 1848 🔗

The invasion has begun now they have Beijing Joe in the bag! 😉

376355 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1053 of 1848 🔗

Alcohol sanitizer everywhere. If they are too low in public areas your child can get blind (don’t think MSM/BBC is going to use this headline in the current media restrictions)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaophthalmology/fullarticle/2775159?utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email

Hand Sanitizer–Induced Ocular InjuryA COVID-19 Hazard in Children “We herein report 2 cases of toxic keratopathy in children after unintentional contact between ABHR and the eye, suggesting that increased awareness of this potential danger is needed. Small children are at risk of severe ocular injury and possibly even blindness due to inadvertent ocular exposure to ABHRs. In most public places, the hand sanitizers are installed at a waist-level height of an adult but at eye level or above for a young child, as illustrated”

376365 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1054 of 1848 🔗

Thanks this is great.

When child was still in school last year they had to sanitise their hands around 12 times per day even after their returned from the bathroom.

The alcohol is also absorbed by the skin, think the way nicotine patches work

376429 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, 7, #1055 of 1848 🔗

Entering Sainsburys yesterday I looked at the label at the back of the hand sanitiser. It listed amino methyl propanol as an ingedient. knowing that the Sigma Adritch catalogue is a good soure of hazard information, I looked up the codes for this material.
hazard warnings:
H315- skin irritant
H319 – serious eye irritant
H412- causes long term damage to aquatic life
The sanitiser should have had a hazard warning label saying Irritant to skin and eyes .
It did not .
That may be what damaged the childrn’s eyes.
Using the sanitiser, if it has similar ingredients on children 12 times a day is a procedure that should have been preceded by a risk assessment and notice to parents . Was it ?
Sainsburys and the school authorities need to be aware that their behaviour in a factory situation would rouse the interest of the Health and Safety Executive and a warning issued at least.

376528 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1056 of 1848 🔗

I’d put in a word for the aquatic life, seeing how many zillion gallons of the filthy muck are being flushed down drains and into rivers, seas and, no doubt, reservoirs.

376693 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1057 of 1848 🔗

Terrible! Here in Sweden at least one shopping centre is offering hydrogen peroxide as a hand sanitiser. Sanitiser use in shops is entirely optional here…

376689 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1058 of 1848 🔗

I dread to think of the negative effects on the water supply, of all this hand sanitiser…some of it must end up in the drains..

376356 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 26, #1059 of 1848 🔗

https://twitter.com/Twinspark74/status/1353334455784644614

‘South Wales Police are ‘dealing with’ people who have driven to a local country park for a walk. The only pleasure many people have in life right now. The park is huge – the lake is just a small part of it. What has happened to our lives?’

376390 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1060 of 1848 🔗

Is that real? Can the police not spell these days?

376729 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to leggy, #1061 of 1848 🔗

nah, there graduates now duntcha no?

376357 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #1062 of 1848 🔗

Bored watching the snow now so just replied to the University of Edinburgh’s Communications and Marketing Department just for the hell of it:

Thank you for bring to Devi Sridhar’s attention my e-mail but I doubt she will even read it before deleting it let alone lower herself to reply in a coherent and reasoned manner with the science that she holds in her possession that justifies any of the measures she so wholeheartedly advocates.

She’s too busy ensuring Scotland is sticking to the officially sanctioned narrative being pushed by her (and one of the University of Edinburgh’s biggest) benefactors.

If she was working for me I would be looking at a charge of bringing the company into disrepute against her.

As she is an American I take it that the University has on record all the required documentation to prove she has the right to remain in and work in the UK as per the relevant legislation and she is not breaking her visa conditions?

376504 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1063 of 1848 🔗

Hell, that’s brilliant. Also she, err, isn’t a scientist and has no scientific qualification. She is, in fact, an Antrhopologist!

376519 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #1064 of 1848 🔗

And a cunt

376809 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jaguarpig, #1065 of 1848 🔗

Hehe 🙂

376574 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1066 of 1848 🔗

If you want to contact her she has stopped taking direct e-mails (wonder why?) so you need to go through the main press office:

press.office@ed.ac.uk

376364 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 51, #1067 of 1848 🔗

Last week had an e-mail exchange with Cunard and Carnival after they basically were begging me to start travelling again as they said:

As a British registered company we are working with and are subject to the UK Government guidance. We do, however, work closely with CLIA, the global governing body for the cruise industry and our parent company, Carnival CCL and associated brands to ensure there is the right level of consistency of protocols. We will continue to work closely with medical experts and global authorities to help us determine the best way to move forward while honouring our highest responsibility – the health, safety and well-being of our guests, crew and communities we visit, along with compliance and environmental protection. In line with our published Terms and Conditions all guests are required to wear a face covering and refusal to comply with any health screening measure requested by P&O Cruises / Cunard, the relevant port authorities or any other national or international authority may result in guests being denied boarding. This also includes a refusal to wear a face mask without having any relevant medical exemption documentation. We are currently paused in operation and working hard to finalise details, as soon as this information is readily available we will inform all our guests who have a future booking to ensure they have confirmation of the onboard processes and health protocols.

My reply:

I’m afraid “we are just doing what we are told” is not really good enough nor will it encourage large numbers of passengers to go cruising and travelling again save your industry from the “Great Reset” as it is not “sustainable” enough.

I was going to write an in-depth reply to you with facts, figures, FOIs etc then thought “why should I?.”

If they cannot be bothered to research information, question what is going on nor challenge their own trade bodies or the Government in an effort to save their company from bankruptcy then why should I care?

But I will give you a few facts that your legal department can easily verify and check it against the English legislation as you are an English registered company:

– the face coverings legislation specifically exempted cruise ships from the requirement (section 2 Interpretation)

– there is no requirement in the face covering legislation to show or supply medical exemption

– social distancing is not law, has no force of law, is not enforceable and has no scientific basis to support it

– anything called guidance or guidelines has no force of law and are not enforceable. They do not have to be followed.

– all risk assessments must be evidence based. The UK Government at any level nor any other government worldwide can supply any meaningful evidence that is sufficiently robust it can be used as evidence in a risk assessment to prove that the mitigations will work and that would stand up in court as a satisfactory defence if there was an incident. “We were just following guidelines” is NOT a legally acceptable defence.

One last thing, Carnival Group is a signatory to the World Travel and Tourism Council’s Letter to Governments and their New Normal Guidelines – these are all on the WTTC’s website.

The WTTC is controlled by the World Economic Forum who are pushing the “Great Reset”.

When I asked various CEOs who were signatories on the WTTC documents , some of whom had been complaining about Government’s actions and their companies being almost bankrupt, if they knew what the WTTC was doing in their name they went silent, if they did answer it was “we are just following guidelines”, same as you.

If you would like more information, FOIs, links, research from independent (non-vaccine industry, non-Bill gates funded) scientists etc then just ask.

If they ever answer will let you know what they say.

376386 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1068 of 1848 🔗

Brilliant! May I copy and use?

376411 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1069 of 1848 🔗

Feel free.

376396 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1070 of 1848 🔗

Really, if people need to be so ‘protected’ they shouldn’t be going on cruises, or in fact anywhere

376408 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, 20, #1071 of 1848 🔗

that’s how I see it! these people are asking me to destroy my livelihood, never see my children again, and give up oxygen, just so that they can crawl out from under their beds where they are quivering in terror of catching a cold! why don’t you just stay under your fucking beds you selfish hypochondriacal cowards!

376807 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DanClarke, #1072 of 1848 🔗

A very valid point.

376986 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to DanClarke, #1073 of 1848 🔗

The Diamond Princess was an excellent testbed for isolation testing. It seems to have disappeared down the memory hole.

376398 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1074 of 1848 🔗

That’s an excellent letter. Yes it would be very interesting to see what response you get. Please keep us posted.

376524 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1075 of 1848 🔗

I am in your debt, as we have a postponed cruise holiday booked but there is no way I am going among the face-knickered.

376545 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1076 of 1848 🔗

Awkward Git has just been renamed Awkward God.

376992 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1077 of 1848 🔗

10,000 upticks

376381 WillieA, replying to WillieA, 58, #1078 of 1848 🔗

During my walk along the Thames path today, a couple approached me from the other direction. With the gap between us at around 20 metres, the lady began pointing frantically to her right. Was she turning right? Was she pointing at something interesting to the side of the path? I couldn’t decipher her sign language so I continued walking towards her undeterred.

As we reached each other, she stopped walking and our conversation went as follows:

Angry lady: “Walk on the left”

Me (somewhat bewilderedly): “What?”

Angry lady: “Do you speak English?”, appearing to pick up on my bewilderment.

Me: “Yes”

Angry lady: “Walk on the left”, pointing to the dotted line on the floor.

Me: “OK, Karen”, before immediately continuing my walk, deliberately sticking firmly to the right hand side of the path.

At that point in time I simply could not be bothered communicating with yet another one of these people. On reflection, I’m ashamed. These people need to be told that it is them with blood on their hands.

I apologise to each and every person on this site who has done sterling work addressing the lockdown bollocks and all of its supporters. You are inspiring and this country will be forever in your debt. From this point forward, I vow to fight the fight as hard as I can.

WE WILL WIN THIS.

376403 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to WillieA, 37, #1079 of 1848 🔗

Good afternoon Willie.

I’m sorry to hear about your experience.

If I may share some optimism, we were also near the Thames today at Sonning. Not far from the river, there was a decent-sized group of adults & children sledging (see pic enclosed).

On our walk back, on the slope just before Sonning Bridge, an elderly lady slipped on the snow and fell down half on the pavement/half on the road. My wife went to her aid first and I went to help her up (I was on the other side with our children so didn’t see it happen). Thankfully she was just badly shaken up, and no doubt bruised although it could have been worse I’m sure.

Being able to be there and hold her hand as she got back to her feet and make sure she was ok demonstrated for me how important the basic values of humanity are and how this whole distancing construct isn’t natural instinct for us as a species.

Best regards

Simon

376463 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1080 of 1848 🔗

Knowing that area I suspect that slope up to Sonning bridge was quite treacherous today (that was one of my day out walks last summer when we were allowed). Good that you were there to help her. I had to cut short my usual Sunday afternoon walk, the snow was rapidly turning to a slushy mess and even with my walking boots on I didn’t feel too safe.

376540 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to davews, 2, #1081 of 1848 🔗

Hello Dave,

Yes, it was pretty much opposite the Coppa Club – thankfully very light traffic or one would hate to think what could possibly have happened.

I must admit it was my wife that really stepped into the roll of the good samaritan – I helped the lady to get up but as usual in circumstances like this, I’m a bit useless and I’m glad she was there.

Kindest regards

Simon

376499 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to SimonCook, 7, #1082 of 1848 🔗

Yes the governments aim is to dehumanise us. We have to be strong and fight back.

376508 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1083 of 1848 🔗

Your wife was flouting social distancing rules. Scandal.

376544 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Annie, 6, #1084 of 1848 🔗

Hi Annie,

It was only afterwards that I reflected on what might have happened should the poor lady have found herself with a family of zealots to count on!

376420 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to WillieA, 19, #1085 of 1848 🔗

I largely don’t even register swervers now. I’m beyond sick of pandering to other peoples’ paranoia, hypochondria and ignorant swallowing of blatant Government propaganda wholesale.

376435 ▶▶▶ WillieA, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1086 of 1848 🔗

The reaction of my friends and I to our encounter with Angry Lady was to laugh. How can you not laugh at the ridiculousness?

But actually, it’s not funny at all. The behaviour of these people is amongst the least funny things I can think of.

376575 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to WillieA, 8, #1087 of 1848 🔗

They are psychologicaly damaged. I don’t hate them but it’s hard not to despise them a bit except for the elderly ones who I feel sorry for.

376798 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to WillieA, 4, #1088 of 1848 🔗

Very true. I’m glad you stood your ground and refused to move to the other side. It’s a win, however small it may seem.

376454 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #1089 of 1848 🔗

I don’t ‘blame’ them – they’re brainwashed victims. But I’m not going to accommodate them. If they want to walk in the middle of the road – so be it.

376520 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 6, #1090 of 1848 🔗

I’ve spent months hoping that a zombie would actually step off a 200-foot cliff so as to avoid me on the coast path.Never happens. I suppose the local zombies never come out from under the bed, leaving the coast clear (literally) for us humans.
Still linger fondly over the mental picture, though.

376633 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 3, #1091 of 1848 🔗

Sounds like their fear of gravity is still higher than that of Covid. Something for Susan Michie to address.

376505 ▶▶ Annie, replying to WillieA, 6, #1092 of 1848 🔗

Yes, and we will walk on the right, on the left, in the centre, in zigzags, in curves, in spirals, diagonally, backwards, on our hands, or in waltz time, exactly as we please, and Little Mrs Hitler can go … herself.

376593 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to WillieA, 7, #1093 of 1848 🔗

Presumably if she fell in the Thames she’d refuse your help because it would breach social distancing rules.

Her thinking being “I may be drowning, but at least I won’t get Covid”.

It’d still be recorded as a Covid death though.

376399 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1094 of 1848 🔗

Baseball legend Hank Aaron dies two weeks after receiving coronavirus vaccinate during publicity stunt [US]

On Jan. 5, Major League Baseball (BLM) legend and Hall of Famer Henry Louis “Hank” Aaron publicly took a Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine during a stunt aimed at persuading more African-Americans to get injected. A little more than two weeks later, Aaron died right on cue .

The reason this writer says “on cue” is because there is now a clear and undeniable pattern of elderly people – Aaron was 86 years old when he died – passing away roughly two weeks after getting [vaccinated].

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-23-hank-aaron-dies-after-coronavirus-vaccine.html

376419 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Victoria, 4, #1095 of 1848 🔗

Yes, the people writing on here who think that any of these vaccines will make Covid less ‘deadly’ in vulnerable/elderly vaccinated people (who were more-or-less excluded from the test cohorts) need to do a little more research as there is no basis, other than the usual propaganda, for believing this. Conversely, more and more reports of people getting adverse reactions and/or a bad dose of the Rona after getting a jab are managing to find their way into even the MSM.

More here: https://thehighwire.com/videos/covid-vaccine-reactions-rise-worldwide/

Or this: https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2021/01/21/vaccines-what-they-are-not-telling-you/

The ‘95% effective’ claims are also dubious – the BMJ has reported on this amongst others. Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data (just search for BMJ and Peter Doshi) MW

376430 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #1096 of 1848 🔗

Not proven effective, not proven safe, not proven to stop transmission and won’t end the restrictions. Why would anyone with half a brain cell bother?

376445 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1097 of 1848 🔗

Of course – you can never ‘prove’ anything irrefutably ‘safe’. but you can estimate probabilities.

As of now, there is no way of doing this with these vaccines.

376487 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Victoria, 3, #1098 of 1848 🔗

Betty and Phil had the vaccine – allegedly. That they are still alive would suggest they didn’t.

376404 Awkward Git, 13, #1099 of 1848 🔗

The contact e-mail for “Neil O’Brien’s” new website:

covidfaq.contact@gmail.com

I’ve sent them a list of questions I’d like answered.

Any bets on whether they will answer with anything meaningful?

376406 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1100 of 1848 🔗

In the town I’m living in this week (NE) the Co-op were true to their word and no one challenged me about not having a muzzle on, bit pricier than Aldi but hassle-free shopping is worth paying extra for these days.

No benches in the town centre are taped off even ones outside coffee shops 😉

376467 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1101 of 1848 🔗

Has anyone in government given any scientific rationale for not being able to sit on a bench??

376502 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 3, #1102 of 1848 🔗

Look for one up Boris’s. backside.

376537 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 2, #1103 of 1848 🔗

That’s the kind of simple, clear advice this country needs, Annie. 🙂

376562 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 1, #1104 of 1848 🔗

I don’t know about double-masking but I would certainly want to double-Marigold for that.

376787 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1105 of 1848 🔗

Oh Christ, Yes.

376535 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, 1, #1106 of 1848 🔗

A rhetorical question!

376541 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to LMS2, 5, #1107 of 1848 🔗

I’m still waiting for a scientific rationale for anything they’ve done.

376407 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 55, #1108 of 1848 🔗

Just fucked two plods of for trying to stop kids having a snow ball fight, the kids then pelted the car with said snowballs as it slipped down the road.. good riddance ass holes..

376500 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1109 of 1848 🔗

Luvverly, wish I’d seen it.

376542 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 22, #1110 of 1848 🔗

Rather funny , one of the plod slipped arse over tip as he was going back to the car,a big cheer went up from the kids, the humiliation was wonderful..

376612 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1111 of 1848 🔗

bruce please video your antics – we need a good laugh!! 🙂 Glad to see the kids saw the plod off!

376665 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #1112 of 1848 🔗

video..heck I want the autobiography. C’mon Mr Reynolds!! 🙂

376688 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1113 of 1848 🔗

Actually I’ve already written one. The Autobiography of a Thief : The Man Behind The Great Train Robbery.. check it out I need the royalties.

377224 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1114 of 1848 🔗

Shame that you died in 2013!

377225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to stevie119, 1, #1115 of 1848 🔗

Probably of Covid too!

376409 Bella, replying to Bella, 34, #1116 of 1848 🔗

Got this email from an anarchic American friend in response to recent birthday cake bulshit.  ‘I turned 20 January 1969 during the 68-69 Hong Kong flu epidemic. For that whole year I probably practised oral sex (as well as intercourse)  about 150-200 times with a number of partners, smoked shared joints on about 300 occasions with four or five people (sometimes more) and went to Woodstock in August which was about as sanitary as I imagine the trenches at The Somme were, yet I’m still here.  But now I’m told it’s dangerous to blow out candles on a birthday cake because the bacteria will kill us all. Well. Blow me down.’

376461 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bella, 5, #1117 of 1848 🔗

I was born too late

376484 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1118 of 1848 🔗

Me too lol

376560 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bella, 9, #1119 of 1848 🔗

My childhood and youth were not so exotic as yours, Bella.
I turned 20 in December, 68 so I’m a similar vintage to yourself but unlike a free spirit like you, I spent my formative years in the Shropshire/Staffordshire borderlands where boredom had evolved into an art form and to this day, I hate Sundays which in those days were like “Practising to be dead”.
We lived in a succession of “hovels” in my early life and it wasn’t until I was almost 17 till we lived in a house that boasted more than one cold tap.
The toilet was an “Elson”( a seat over a large bucket) plus the p×sspots under our beds which when full which were emptied into my dad’s leek trench.
Never bothered me, ( I love leek and potato soup).
Now I’m not going to bang on about how “it never did me any harm” in Monty python style (I was that jealous of my mates in their council houses).
No, Bella, like you, I hate being portrayed as a vulnerable old codger who has to be protected from himself, in fact did you see the logo for the vaccine portraying the over 70’s as being “stooped” and using a walking stick and the over 75’s using a Zimmer frame.
My brain might be 72 years old but it can see through this bullsh×t.

376412 rodmclaughlin, replying to rodmclaughlin, 9, #1120 of 1848 🔗

I usually laugh – or cry – at the ‘Woke Gobbledegook’ section, but sometimes, you can take the critique of Wokeness too far. Today, 24 Jan, it mentions a priest saying that God didn’t give North America to Europeans, they took it by force. This isn’t ‘woke’, it’s true. And the fact that pre-Colombian Americans were no angels doesn’t alter that.

376474 ▶▶ Mark, replying to rodmclaughlin, 4, #1121 of 1848 🔗

I think that kind of thing is ridiculous not because of the technical truth or otherwise of the particular content, but more because of the absurd, virtue signalling overreaction to it by the person in question. Writing as though it matters enormously whose ancestors colonised land centuries or millennia ago in what circumstances, when you know damned well the person in question would be horrified at any suggestion that eg white Brits are entitled to special respect compared to non-white immigrants on the basis of ancestry.

376546 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to rodmclaughlin, #1122 of 1848 🔗

I’d rather stick to facts tbh as “truth” is a little slippery.

376619 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rodmclaughlin, -1, #1123 of 1848 🔗

He’s right, because his bronze age desert tribe death cult sky monster doesn’t actually exist…

376413 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1124 of 1848 🔗

What’s this red flag thing that has appeared on the comments?

376417 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1125 of 1848 🔗

You can now report trolls

376422 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1126 of 1848 🔗

Ok sir thanks for that..

376426 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #1127 of 1848 🔗

I thought we had gone communist

376428 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1128 of 1848 🔗

I come from beside the army ranges in the Cheviots- I thought it meant they were live firing. Got my hopes up for a minute.

376449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #1129 of 1848 🔗

I thought it was because the River Swale was in flood.

376497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1130 of 1848 🔗

Thinking of suitable targets…

376624 ▶▶▶▶▶ TC, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1131 of 1848 🔗

MOD ranges closed,well, at least to civilian clubs.

376436 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1132 of 1848 🔗

Ah, easy snitching enabled.

Be interesting to see what the results are.

376441 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Mark, 1, #1133 of 1848 🔗

Well, so far there have only been sporadic disruptions but it seems wise to protect the site against Neil O’Brien’s cohorts if they decide to go all Fancy Bears on us.

376456 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #1134 of 1848 🔗

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, in my experience. But we can only wait and see – the proof of this pudding is always in the eating, because it depends how it is used in practice.

376583 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, 1, #1135 of 1848 🔗

We’re the pudding and we’re getting eaten right now

376618 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1136 of 1848 🔗

Trolls do not last long on here.The posters on here are very well informed.

376443 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 1, #1137 of 1848 🔗

People flagging expressions of opinion that they dislike?

376450 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1138 of 1848 🔗

The right to flag seems legitimate and it’s not the same as the right to silence.

376458 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1139 of 1848 🔗

If someone is offended by words on a screen, they are way too sensitive for the Internet.

376464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1140 of 1848 🔗

I suppose you’re right

376452 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1141 of 1848 🔗

That’s the usual result. But whether that’s a problem depends how the mods respond.

376446 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Mark, 4, #1142 of 1848 🔗

Mmm, possibly a move in the wrong direction here i hope censorship is not the name of the game.

376538 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1143 of 1848 🔗

I trust we can all be very restrained in its use.

376602 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #1144 of 1848 🔗

It’s a new imposition from the Medical Dictatorship on websites with comments, to report posts containing lockdown breaches. I’ve clicked it on most of my own ones.

376438 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #1145 of 1848 🔗

Posted earlier today, but worth repeating for the afternoon shift…

https://mobile.twitter.com/THEGREATREOPEN1

376483 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ken Gardner, #1146 of 1848 🔗

Thanks for that link

376444 Ken Garoo, 4, #1147 of 1848 🔗

“A Close Encounter With the Police”
There is no reasoning with moral zealots.

So we a re supposed to lock ourselves away to stop the spread? Yet I have heard from a contact on the patient/management group at my local hospital that ‘covid’ patients are being shipped in from Kent. Presumably they are bringing in the ‘more infectious’ variant!

376447 arfurmo, 4, #1148 of 1848 🔗

Better close down all of NZ -https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55785787

How’s that Covid Zero going?

376451 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #1149 of 1848 🔗

The Water Test:

Considering our good friend Neil Ferguson is fond of his Order of Magnitude range models (50 to 50,000 for CJD) let’s put it in real terms

From the EPA (and I’m sure in other places to) the max level of acceptable cyanide in water is 0.2 mg/L

Under Ferguson’s model if we took that as the mid magnitude we see a range of 0.02 to 2mg/L

Now either his model would say no there’s no problem with your treatments as I predict 0.02 and really it’s 2 mg/L (10 times acceptable dose)

Or he says it’s 2 mg/L and you spend millions trying to fix it when it’s more like 0.02 to 0.2 mg/L

After either loads of people dying or wasting millions you figure out that it’s better to have a test to measure to at least +/- 0.02 mg/L reliably.

You also realise you had that equipment all the time and you’ve caused a catastrophe by listening only to a modeller.

On the other hand:

If you take his model you would say “Hmm maybe we need a better way to measure stuff” and Voila! that’s what models are useful for

377005 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to mhcp, 2, #1150 of 1848 🔗

Ferguson has been consistently wrong by orders of magnitude in his predictions since the 2001 F&M event. Real epidemiologists i have come across describe him as ‘alarmist’. Now why on earth would the government make use of someone who is consistently wrong and alarmist? It is totally beyond me. (/sarc).

376494 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1152 of 1848 🔗

Stay safe and starve.

376579 ▶▶ jos, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1153 of 1848 🔗

And so it goes – this is the next shit to hit the fan .. food shortages will be our fault and when people are starving they’ll be so much more compliant. We’re in a war without bombs (yet)..

376616 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 2, #1154 of 1848 🔗

We live in a country where we import 40% of our food.We need an open world

376455 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1155 of 1848 🔗

Out of interest, does anybody still use the government`s track n trace app ? Mengele Hancock was boasting about the “zillions” who had downloaded it last year but i imagine it is probably only mad masked Maggie with her ten cats down the road who still bothers with it !

376460 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1156 of 1848 🔗

Didn’t he claim to be ‘self-isolating’ last week because the app ‘pinged’ him? We assumed this was desperation on his part, not least because how can anyone get close enough to another human being these days to be tracked-and-traced without infringing some bollox of his or other? I know of nobody who uses it but we live in the sticks anyway and nearly everything is closed in our small towns except supermarkets. MW

376478 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1157 of 1848 🔗

Well he’s either lying (which he does on a routine basis in any event) or hey presto, he’s breached his own rules and regulations!

376489 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1158 of 1848 🔗

No point in tt when everything’s closed.

376521 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 5, #1159 of 1848 🔗

Yep, spend a fortune on the ‘world beating’ t & t app, to be used in pubs, cafes, restaurants etc., and then… close them all. Stunning.

376532 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 2, #1160 of 1848 🔗

No wonder they are saying supermarkets are a main infection source: that’s about the only place left where your phone and get jiggy with other phones.

376459 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #1161 of 1848 🔗

Dr. Eli David

Disturbing footage from Rio de Janeiro: The dreaded 𝗕𝗿𝗮𝘇𝗶𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗻https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f1e7-1f1f7.svg 𝗺𝘂𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 is rapidly spreading as bodies are piling up…

https://twitter.com/i/status/1353159294879981568

376472 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1162 of 1848 🔗

Paradise

376477 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1163 of 1848 🔗

Strangely enough, I have friends in Brazil and they aren’t experiencing this at all.

376551 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1164 of 1848 🔗

What do you mean?

376581 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Draper233, #1165 of 1848 🔗

Ditto. What do you mean Jo?

DavidC

376509 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1166 of 1848 🔗

Terrifying! 🙂

376570 ▶▶ jos, replying to PastImperfect, #1167 of 1848 🔗

Yeah right – are you really a lockdown sceptic or 77 brigade?

376580 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to jos, 1, #1168 of 1848 🔗

jos, did you watch the video? PastImperfect’s comment is brilliant!

DavidC

376674 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1169 of 1848 🔗

Haha!

376700 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to PastImperfect, #1170 of 1848 🔗

Spent a year in Rio in the late 70’s.

What a place !

This looks like Leblon, but there are lots and lots of wonderful hang outs all over the place.

Great to see.

376462 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1171 of 1848 🔗

The Brothers Grim: Bill and Mike’s Pandemic Panopticon —— Bill Gates & Michael Bloomberg

Bill and Melinda Gates have leading roles to play in the unfolding drama that is Covid-19 . Everything seems to be advancing according to Davos’s plan. The soon-to-be trillionaire couple has provided useful cover for their fellow billionaires, the ones backstage pulling the ropes that will drop the Fourth Industrial Revolution scenery for the techno-fascist second act. Even now a chorus line of contact tracers assembles in the wings. In short order they’ll take center stage – donning newly minted digital certificates of compliance and indoctrination.

This post is about one of the production’s underwriters, Michael Bloomberg. Bloomberg, in coordination with New York governor Andrew Cuomo, paid Johns Hopkins to choreograph this viral surveillance roll out with the Rockefeller Foundation looking on from the royal box.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/brothers-grim-bill-and-mikes-pandemic-panopticon

376664 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Victoria, #1172 of 1848 🔗

Presume Gates and Bloomberg will be two of the world’s population who ‘will have nothing and be happy’ come 2030. After all that’s what the WEF wants for them and they partly fund it.

376566 ▶▶ jos, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1174 of 1848 🔗

But it doesn’t say ‘how’ – it says we have to resist but stop trying to persuade others – how does that do anything? Has this been posted to stop people posting the truth on here?

376471 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 39, #1175 of 1848 🔗

Despite all the recent scaremongering, there are more people out and about this weekend than ever before. I can assure you that the lockdown does not enjoy any where near the amount of public support that the opinion pollsters would have you believe. However, I predict that the decisive shift in public opinion will only come later this year when Rishi Sunak finally presents people with the bill. I’d like to think this will be followed by widespread support for a new political party – one that will ensure public-sector officials never again seize control of the country and destroy people’s livelihoods and well-being.

376476 ▶▶ nic, replying to JamesM, 6, #1176 of 1848 🔗

Yes what u r saying is correct

376492 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to JamesM, 21, #1177 of 1848 🔗

The steep hills of my neck of the woods were filled with large groups of people / families out killing granny by Sledging , making snowmen , having snowball fights together and even a few hardy sods doing this with a take out beer . All this while the super duper variant Kent whu flu rages unabated , I think most people are just paying this Bollocks lip service but deep down are beyond giving a shit anymore .

376565 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Christopher, 5, #1178 of 1848 🔗

Good comment my friend, my experience as well..

376684 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1179 of 1848 🔗

Thank you Bruce , btw I am in total admiration of your Anti Corona guerrilla subversion tactics , Amazing work Sir .

376495 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JamesM, 18, #1180 of 1848 🔗

It certainly struck me today that I don’t see very many “thank you NHS” posters in people’s windows any more

376525 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Julian, 13, #1181 of 1848 🔗

It should actually be “Fuck The NHS, Get on with your Life people” posters now.
I mean, they are constantly telling us that they are “overwhelmed” when they clearly are not. The government & the NHS are the cause of this, as are the properly brainwashed sheep.

376569 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 11, #1182 of 1848 🔗

Add to that Fuck the Government, Fuck the law..

376706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1183 of 1848 🔗

Amen to that.

376571 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1184 of 1848 🔗

I agree. The NHS MAY be overwhelmed but the cause is not the virus it’s been the reaction to it. That and the fact that the NHS is ALWAYS near breaking point EVERY Winter.

DavidC

376660 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1185 of 1848 🔗

F….the NHS MANAGEMENT, my nurse friends are as frustrated as everyone else with a common sense view of the world

376703 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Julian, 2, #1186 of 1848 🔗

Thank god.

376527 ▶▶ isobar, replying to JamesM, 6, #1187 of 1848 🔗

I think that you are spot on there. Farage is a bit of a Marmite politician but he has already made moves by highlighting the devastating effect of lockdowns on small businesses. I can’t see anyone else that has sufficient clout to take the two lockdown luvvy parties on.

376678 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JamesM, 10, #1188 of 1848 🔗

I can assure you that the lockdown does not enjoy any where near the amount of public support that the opinion pollsters would have you believe.”

Totally agree. I’ve just been out with the dog for a couple of hours, people everywhere, kids playing football on the fields, older teens out having a laugh with their mates, dog walkers, people milling about all over. I saw four masktards. Four. One of which was in the middle of the pavement staring into her phone, didn’t even notice me coming in the other direction. Until I started coughing of course, then she jumped off the pavement and almost into traffic trying to get away. Which was hilarious.

376702 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1189 of 1848 🔗

Same here. We’ve had a substantial amount of snow so there were lots of people out with their kids and sledges, lots of dog walkers, and just folk out in general.

376473 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 60, #1190 of 1848 🔗

I am slowly losing my mind today… British minds have been so deeply hijacked and mutated, they have lost all human sense… if they ever had any.

“You must stay home for three weeks to flatten the curve…”

“You must stay home to get R rate down…”

“You must stay home to protect others…”

“You must stay home to avoid overwhelming the NHS…”

“You must stay home until everyone is vaccinated…”

“You must stay home until everyone is vaccinated again because there’s a new strain…

“You must stay home until we know the vaccine works…”

At what point will people cotton on that they are ONLY being told one thing: “JUST STAY HOME!”

Our lives are over. Whatever the reason, the government does not want us in restaurants, offices, pubs, schools, gyms, shops, or even the great outdoors. They want us to STAY HOME AND DIE!

WAKE UP!

376485 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 28, #1191 of 1848 🔗

My mother is going to friends for a Burns Night supper tomorrow. The same woman who berates me for suggesting that the rules are stupid.

Fortunately people are inconsistent and chaotic. The graphmongers will lose.

376503 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #1192 of 1848 🔗

The hideous hypocritical stories I’ve heard make my eyes water… I think masks literally dehumanise people – not just physically but scramble their brains, too!

376567 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #1193 of 1848 🔗

It might sound a bit snowflakey but I don’t wear a mask (and will not tell anyone who asks how I am exempt – I don’t need to) but it actually distresses me when I’m out seeing almost everyone masked up. Not because I’m the (only?) one not wearing one but because of their complete willingness to hide their faces from the world. It really saddens me.

DavidC

376610 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DavidC, 7, #1194 of 1848 🔗

Me too. It depends on my mood but sometimes I shut myself off from it, sometimes I feel depressed by it and sometimes I get enraged and have to stop myself

376685 ▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to DavidC, 7, #1195 of 1848 🔗

Yes I’m in that boat too David. I see scared and atomized victims of state sanctioned terrorism. It is monumentally depressing.

376831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to DavidC, 5, #1196 of 1848 🔗

Me too. On bad days it makes me almost uncontrollably sad, even desperate. I walk around Waitrose crying, because I can’t see anyone else with a face; there are just people with eyes, their expressions blanked out. People in masks can have no idea of how much they are upsetting me.

376864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Alethea, 6, #1197 of 1848 🔗

We literally need to find each other and form a community. I just NEED human connection. I don’t care anymore if I can’t get on a plane or a train, I just want to see human faces. Especially children. We don’t have children but I LOVE children. Whenever I see one (rare occasion at the moment) I have a conversation. I came up with this notion recently that we could move to Switzerland (outside EU, democracy in their DNA) and today discovered they have mandated masks even outside!!! Like France. I was devastated. I even said the words, “I don’t want to live anymore” because I felt so wretched. I cannot live without seeing human faces. It is a war on humanity. We just have to stop it! And you KNOW in their hearts everyone feels the same, they have just been terrorised (some worse than others) into anti-human behaviour. Even the politicians can’t function properly. They are masked, they cannot all sit in chamber. They are under even stricter restrictions because the press are waiting to pounce if they step out of line. They are human, too. I want a truce, I want amnesty. I want us to come together. WE ARE ALL HUMAN! I don’t care what agenda WEF or the CCP or the Green Revolution or the Technocrats have for us. It MUST STOP. We need to reclaim our humanity. This is all inhumane. It must STOP! No one wants this. No one, in their HEARTS truly wants this!!

377276 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1198 of 1848 🔗

Seeing children fitted up with mini masks is particularly infuriating

376486 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 42, #1199 of 1848 🔗

My life is bloody well NOT over, I will not stay AT home listening to their vile Americanisms, and I look forward keenly to dancing on their graves, arm in arm with as many sceptics as I can grab hold of.

376490 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Annie, 19, #1200 of 1848 🔗

We must pass this on quicker than the old Kung Flu

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – please forward to all local businesses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/
https://t.me/thegreatreopening

30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

376516 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1201 of 1848 🔗

Suggest we send to local small business clubs.

376596 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1202 of 1848 🔗

I wonder if Tim Martin of ‘Spoons is aware of this. I think if the bigger hospitality chains did this it would give small businesses the confidence to do it too.

376830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1203 of 1848 🔗

I think Tim Martin would certainly be up for it. Let’s see!

376670 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1204 of 1848 🔗

Great initiative! Surely it will be harder for the government to insist on places staying closed, when in the US places are opening up now …?

376827 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Annie, 1, #1205 of 1848 🔗

Shout it loud Annie! Quite right. If we’re going through Hell the thing is to keep going – we will prevail!

376536 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #1206 of 1848 🔗

If some numbskulls want to give up living that’s up to them. In the meantime I’m going to do everything I possibly can to make life feel normal. Our appalling government isn’t making it easy but where there’s a will…

376803 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1207 of 1848 🔗

Should be obvious by now that it’s because this has nothing to do with controlling a virus. It is a completely deliberate course of action designed to restrict population movement in order to meet carbon emission targets. Take cars off the road, remove public transport – buses, trains, planes – for prolonged annual periods as this is the only way to meet hopelessly ambitious carbon targets.

376829 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1208 of 1848 🔗

CNC – further to my previous response, on its website, the World Economic Forum stated that the 3 month lockdown March to June last year resulted in a reduction of 7% in global CO2 emissions but that a figure of 7.5% was required to meet targets agreed in the Paris Climate Agreement. Didn’t say for how many years!

376488 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1209 of 1848 🔗

£60 Fine for Visiting Mum 96 In Care Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S8Pc6tgeIs

376561 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #1210 of 1848 🔗

Apparently the fine was revoked – someone higher up the pay scale must have realised how stupid it was.

DavidC

376491 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1211 of 1848 🔗

Todays scores “The UK has recorded a further 610 COVID-related deaths in the latest reporting period, along with another 30,004 cases.”
Falls expected on Sundays, still not the time to take foot off the brake blah blah blah

376668 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, #1212 of 1848 🔗

What is the ‘normal’ average number of deaths per day in the UK at this time of year? How many ‘extra’ deaths per day are occurring? W should push for these stats to be stated, for context…

376714 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Carrie, 3, #1213 of 1848 🔗

1800-2000

376716 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Bill H, #1214 of 1848 🔗

check the CEBM Florence Nightingale diagrams

376736 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bill H, 1, #1215 of 1848 🔗

So they are saying that roughly a third of all deaths are due to Covid? I very much doubt that is the truth!

376511 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1216 of 1848 🔗

El Presidente getting in a dig again…..She is seriously unbelievable. Not only is she ruining this once prosperous country with her stupid lockdown restrictions, but…she still finds time to get a dig in about “independence”…..absolute, clueless clown that she is.

I also don’t like Boris, but, I fail to see what she is slavering on about here.
Wipe that shit off of your mouth Nicola..

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-brands-boris-johnson-23375648

376695 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1217 of 1848 🔗

Trump appealing to his base is branded as being devisive.

Sturgeon appealing to her base is apparently not divisive.

376517 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #1218 of 1848 🔗

Just got a few items from Waitrose, but decided to take a trolley.

Now I am suffering a mild allergic reaction, as I must have used one which had been doused in sanitizer just before me.
And it smells terribly of cheap, flowery perfume.
I have washed my hands thoroughly twice already.

I have written to Waitrose if they can make sure they have trolleys available which are for people with allergies.

376529 ▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, 12, #1219 of 1848 🔗

it is a pity you didnt realise at the time as you could have done a Bruce and gone into anaphylactic shock all over the merchandise

376548 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to mj, 3, #1220 of 1848 🔗

Sadly my acting skills are non existent ( I tried).

376629 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Silke David, 2, #1221 of 1848 🔗

I always wipe handles with the paper towels provided and hope for the best…..

376539 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1222 of 1848 🔗

The bitch doesn’t limit herself to Scotland – she has taken to pontificating on whether or not Irish schools should reopen 🙁

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6459707/expert-covid-positivity-rate-fall-schools-reopen-ireland/

376743 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1223 of 1848 🔗

She’s advised The Northern Ireland Executive too.

376543 mj, replying to mj, 4, #1224 of 1848 🔗

never slow to jump on any bandwagon the BBC have just started the MU/L’Pool cup tie with a version of the tictoc sea shanty (using the original singer – i hope they paid him)

on a more relevant note, just seen this on a job site

“Citizens Juries CIC, a not-for-profit company, is inviting applications from members of the public to take part in an exciting project commissioned by the University of Manchester, the National Data Guardian, and the NHS. If selected, you will be part of a “citizens’ jury” – 18 adults from across England who will meet online using Zoom from 13.00 to 17.30 for eight days in March 2021: from 16 to 19 March, and from 25 to 28 March. We will be able to help people unused to online video-conferencing or who have difficulty accessing a computer.
The jury will be given relevant information, and work together to answer important questions about new ways that patient data has been used for the Covid-19 pandemic, and whether that should be allowed to continue into the future . The jury’s recommendations will be published and put forward to NHS decision-makers”.

no doubt this will be like the climate panel and similar pointless enterprises. However ths interesting sentence is highlighted by me . is it just me or does this seem a little bit big brother and worrying,

376591 ▶▶ stevie, replying to mj, 2, #1225 of 1848 🔗

Not good the members will be steered to give required answers.

376818 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to mj, #1226 of 1848 🔗

Strangely enough, yesterday I received a letter from IPSOs/MORI to take part in a survey about “how you use your computer”. Apparently, addresses were selected randomly from the Post Office postcode facility (hence my name not being on the letter just “The Resident”). In order to participate you have to download their app and answer a series of questions over a specified period of time. The longer you keep replying you accumulate ‘points’ which can be converted to say, John Lewis vouchers or other similar outlets. You get £20 worth just for signing up.

Needless to say, I tore it up and filed it under ‘R’ for rubbish. Deeply suspicious about anyone who wants to know how I or anyone else in this country use the Internet! However, there is something a bit sinister about it I think but can’t quite put my finger on it.

376549 DavidC, 2, #1227 of 1848 🔗

An excellent piece by John Ward on The Slog today, and very funny!

https://therealslog.com/2021/01/24/3d-picture-post/

DavidC

376554 Awkward Git, 20, #1228 of 1848 🔗

Found this e-mail address on teh PHE website. It’s teh place to e-mail if you ahev any covid-19 questiosn so of course I’ve sent off me questions:

wn_coronavirus@phe.gov.uk

Why are the numbers of deaths being quoted “with covid” and not “from covid” and are “within 28 days of a positive test for covid-19/coronavirus”?

There is a big difference between “with” and “from” and also the reason for the death could have been a car accident, cancer, dementia, heart failure, organ failure, suicide or any other reason and nothing to do with covid-19/coronavirus so why broadcast them as such unless it is to keep the scary numbers higher than they really are?

Would you report someone who died within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as a “vaccine death”?

Same logic.

Why are the death numbers are reported on MSM and aided and abetted by Government as happening the day they were reported when the more accurate way is to report numbers from the actual day of death and this is revised daily as the records are updated as the paperwork is processed?

There are big differences in the numbers between the 2 ways of reporting and these can easily be found in the public domain on websites such as the Office of National Statistics so why broadcast the deaths on the day they are reported unless it is to keep the scary numbers higher than they really are?

Why keep stressing “positive test” when it means nothing medically by itself as stated in FOI answers from the DHSC and in documents published by the Government on the gov.uk website and in the test kit manufacturer’s paperwork itself?

So again, why report “positive tests” to mean something they are not unless it is to keep the scary numbers higher than they really are?

Is the recent big rise in “positive tests” have anything to do with the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

Is anyone raising this point in Parliament? Is Government even researching this possibility? In the test kit manufacturer’s paperwork itself it states this is a definite possibility and has been observed in both Portugal and Israel recently so why continue with the “more are infected” when it could just be a reaction to the body’s immune response to the recently received vaccination unless it is to keep the scary numbers higher than they really are?\

376555 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #1229 of 1848 🔗

Don’t know if this made yesterday’s “Woke gobbledegook” section, but it’s definitely appropriate.

It’s not outrageous that there are people who believe this kind of pish, but it is outrageous that people in positions of authority and responsibility believe it’s appropriate to foist it on other people’s children under the imprimatur of a state-funded broadcaster as supposed education.

BBC lockdown home-schooling programme tells 9-year-olds there are ‘over 100 genders’

SARAH VINE: BBC home-schooling programme that tells 9-year-olds there are ‘over 100 genders’ is a masterclass in indoctrination… on the licence fee
Defund the BBC.

376577 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mark, 1, #1230 of 1848 🔗

There was s story recently where a non binary person wanted gender assignment surgery.
What exactly is that?

376599 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Silke David, 5, #1231 of 1848 🔗

a non binary person wanted gender assignment surgery

You’ll have to find a gobbledegook-English translator for me.

376672 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Silke David, 7, #1232 of 1848 🔗

A non binary person wanting to transition to another sex so they can not identify with that one too.
In short,mental illness

376709 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Silke David, #1233 of 1848 🔗

It’s a bit like “Pin the tail on the donkey”.

376723 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1234 of 1848 🔗

Or chop the tail off the donkey.

376786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #1235 of 1848 🔗

Bit like the recipient, it could go either way!

376642 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, #1236 of 1848 🔗

If they’re going to churn out this crap they might as well make it free to access – it’d make sense, what other way is there to keep up with the daily law changes?

376721 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 1, #1237 of 1848 🔗

Anybody seen the full list of 100?
Asimov wrote a brilliant sf novel called The Gods Themselves , which features a race with three genders. I thought he’d taken the idea about as far as it could go.
BTW, the novel also has a lot to say about human stupidity, hence its title. ‘Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.’ As we know.

376980 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, #1238 of 1848 🔗

Thought I’d read all of Asimov’s stuff decades ago, but I don’t remember that one. He wasn’t big on the sex stuff as far as I recall (I read them as a child, but I still think I’d have noticed….)

376556 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1239 of 1848 🔗

Also sent as FOI requests to the DHSC, NHS England and PHE (Part 1):

Please supply the following information under the FOI legislation:

1 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the recent big rise in “positive test rates” using the RT-PCR test and it having any link to with the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes as it could just be a reaction to the body’s immune response to the recently received vaccination(s)? This is listed as a possibility in one of the test kit manufacturer’s detailed information sheets on the RT-PCR test.

1a – if so, please supply the research report.

2 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in the over 70s age group as this is the demographic currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

2a – if so, please supply the research report.

3 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in over 70s in hospitals and care homes as these are the locations currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

3a – if so, please supply the research report.

4 – Is a study being made into the very similar rise in “positive test rates” that have happened in the UK mirroring similar rises in Portugal and Israel after they commenced influenza and/or covid-19 vaccination programmes?

5 – Are records being kept of the date of a person’s covid-19 vaccination (1st and/or 2nd doses) and compared against the date of their subsequent death?

5a – if so please supply the information on number of days between vaccination and death and the number of persons for that time period.

6 – Deaths being “within 28 days of a positive test for covid-19/coronavirus” are reported as a “covid death”. Are there any plans to report someone who died within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as a “vaccine death”?

6a – if not why not? Same logic applies.

376558 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1240 of 1848 🔗

last question on my lisL:

7 – Are records being kept of the date of a person’s covid-19 vaccination.

376564 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 35, #1241 of 1848 🔗

Sorry but plagiarised this from the Conservative Woman’s blog.

376587 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Smelly Melly, 18, #1242 of 1848 🔗

Just sent it to my university educated son who actually replied “Well, she should be wearing a mask”.
This is what we are up against!!

376617 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #1243 of 1848 🔗

have you thought of adoption or is he too old?????

376698 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, #1244 of 1848 🔗

Dis-adoption?

376620 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1245 of 1848 🔗

Maybe they should have made it even less subtle by having the lardass on the buggy smoking a tab and holding a bottle of Thunderbird.

376641 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1246 of 1848 🔗

How presumptuous of him to assume they are inside!

376655 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1247 of 1848 🔗

Ask your son if he takes the same stance with flu. If not, why not? Flu kills old, vulnerable people too. If he says yes, then remind him he has just advocated mask-wearing….forever.

376657 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1248 of 1848 🔗

Tell him to get a refund.

376697 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1249 of 1848 🔗

Bang on accurate. That fat lady lives in my town, I’m sure it’s her, and she’s a right vicious cow.

376568 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1250 of 1848 🔗

A telly serial is to be made about the lockdowns, starring luvvie Ken Branagh as Bozo. It sounds like absolute unmitigated hagiographical sh*te. Part of the legend-making process to make it all sound like the Battle of Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/kenneth-branagh-to-play-boris-johnson-in-tv-drama-about-covid-crisis

The only good thing about this is that it might – I stress might – indicate that permanent lockdown may not be going to happen, because the press release gives the impression it’s about a popular victory of some sort. If there was direct collaboration with No10 on this – which seems likely – after all they had that with the film about Brexit starring Benderdick Cumsplash as Dominic Cummings – then it seems unlikely that permanent lockdown is on the cards as if it were, we would be getting some rubbish about ‘the long war on Covid which has only just begun’ or some such.

376963 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, #1251 of 1848 🔗

“Benderdick Cumsplash”

Oh that’s good…

376573 Sam Vimes, 15, #1252 of 1848 🔗

Fuck ’em, just fuck ’em! Right, pass that bottle of red, dear.

376576 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 11, #1253 of 1848 🔗

Does anyone know whether shutting the schools is legally enforceable?

If a school broke ranks with the full support of the governors, teachers, parents etc and opened would they have broken the law?

Or is it simply unenforceable guidance?

376605 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #1254 of 1848 🔗

Well schools and colleges are open for key workers children and vulnerable children so they are open to an extent.

I think the biggest issue would be with the unions and the actual teachers. I know a fair few teachers who are quite happy working from home doing online teaching rather than face to face as they feel safer. They’re all calling to have the vaccine before some of the vulnerable groups.

In my view obtained from working in education for 11 years, is that teachers/academics tend to be a bit tunnel visioned and can only see one thing. They don’t always seem to live in the real world.

376636 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ambwozere, 8, #1255 of 1848 🔗

As reported in the DM today, the teachers may be happy working from home on-line because it gives them the opportunity to do in school hours private on-line tutoring at £40 an hour while still being paid to teach.

376696 ▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1256 of 1848 🔗

I get the pushback from the teachers, and frankly they are just employees and should do as they are told.

what I’m really interested in is if the school said ‘we are open’ as normal could they be prosecuted?

Have no private schools looked at this – you would have thought they would be the first to break ranks if they were legally able to?

Or at least the parents should be pushing them to open

376742 ▶▶ Julian, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #1257 of 1848 🔗

It was guidance in March and I imagine it is just guidance now. They don’t need to enforce it as all but a few schools want to comply

376584 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #1258 of 1848 🔗

This whole issue is about one thing, and one thing only. It’s about abuse

Never mind the virus, or graphs, or vaccines, or party goers or mutant strains

Some people are abusers, it’s in their DNA. They saw an opportunity to abuse and they’ve seized it. The abuse is relentless because abusing is what they do

What do I do when people who’s first duty it is to protect the public are the abusers?

What do I do when the people I elected are the abusers?

Who do I turn to when the police are the abusers?

376814 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1259 of 1848 🔗

For me, it’s all summed up in Kristallnacht. When you are Jew and own a business and a vicious mob destroys it and when the police come along they’re on the side of the mob.
I no longer have any trouble imagining such a situation here in Fascist Britain..

376879 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 2, #1260 of 1848 🔗

I’ve mentioned before the excellent 1964 film ‘It Happened Here’ (available on Youtube) which imagines a German victory over Britain in WW2. The Germans only need to keep a token military force in the UK because there are large numbers of British collaborators willing to enforce fascism in exhange for smart uniforms, extra rations etc. It might have been a bit of a stretch for this to have happened in 1940 or even 1964, but I can easily see it happening now.

377025 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1261 of 1848 🔗

Alles was kept in Ordnung in Essen- a city of 650,000 people- in 1937 by a mere 43 Gestapo personnel. The populace largely policed themselves.

376585 DJ Dod, 22, #1262 of 1848 🔗

Sunday Telegraph readers were treated to a commentary from JVT today, in which he effectively dismisses the concerns of the BMA about departing from the manufacturer’s recommendations for the delivery of the vaccine. This strikes me as a remarkable piece of hubris. It seems that ‘the science’ is whatever suits the Government’s current PR needs:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/23/vaccine-has-given-us-hope-still-need-follow-rules/

376589 godowneasy, 5, #1263 of 1848 🔗

Cheer up everyone – we are in safe hands – Chateauneuf du Pape!

376590 amandainhampshire, replying to amandainhampshire, 27, #1264 of 1848 🔗

It feels increasingly as though we are being dictated to by a cabal of 13 year olds: none of these people seems to have grown-up properly; rather they appear to still be driven by their insecure-but-monstrous egos, poor impulse control and a desperate need to win and be seen to be winning. Much like many 13-year olds, their capacity for empathy and compassion is still a work-in-progress, (or in their cases destined to be forever under-developed if not entirely absent), hence their casual dismissal of anything non-Covid-related as sadbutnecessary collateral damage. I can’t decide whether in their heads, these people (the ones running the country) are treating all of this as some kind of demented and corrupted computer game, where they’re desperately trying to ‘go up’ a level and beat their opponents (us), or whether they have been given too much power to cope with in their arrested-development states of consciousness? There is too much of the Jack and Roger (from Lord of the Flies) type of character-disordered behaviour in play to feel anything but alarm about these people being ‘in charge’ of everything and everyone. Only the sudden arrival of an adult at the end of Lord of the Flies sorted out the vicious chaos and superstitious nonsense that became normalised in Golding’s novel; we need a similar deus-ex-machina event to save us too. What though? Will next Saturday’s planned re-openings be sufficient?

376594 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to amandainhampshire, 7, #1265 of 1848 🔗

From the Old Testament – we even have snitches referred to in Verse 5. Isaiah Ch3.

1 See now, the Lord,
the Lord Almighty,
is about to take from Jerusalem and Judah
both supply and support:
all supplies of food and all supplies of water,
2
the hero and the warrior,
the judge and the prophet,
the diviner and the elder,
3
the captain of fifty and the man of rank,
the counselor, skilled craftsman and clever enchanter.
4
“I will make mere youths their officials;
children will rule over them.”
5
People will oppress each other—
man against man, neighbor against neighbor.
The young will rise up against the old,
the nobody against the honored.

376601 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to amandainhampshire, 22, #1266 of 1848 🔗

Amanda, I’ve felt this for a long time, not just recently – the infantilastion of society making us thinkers feel even further out of step.

There was a time when I was younger, watching, for example, Horizon or Open University programmes on BBC where it would stretch me and make me concentrate to understand the concepts or ideas. Programmes by Jacob Bronowski’s ‘The Ascent of Man’. Now it’s just simplistic language and whizzy graphics shown by presenters who have to travel to show one simple fact from a location half way round the world. The BBC, now showing as prime time entertainment, drag shows (no I don’t watch), ITV showing programmes of artists masked up as birds, dragons or or bowls of fruit (or whatever!, No I don’t watch). It’s infantile and pathetic and yet society generally seems to want it.

I don’t. I’m more in search of truth as far as I’m able to.

DavidC

376627 ▶▶▶ amandainhampshire, replying to DavidC, 10, #1267 of 1848 🔗

I completely agree with you David; as a one-to-one English and dyslexia tutor, I have long felt out of step with what is being ‘taught’ in schools – not just for GCSEs but also at A Level and in once-decent universities too. A vague, surface knowledge and memory skills have replaced any requirement to actually attempt to understand a text; some of my students have even told me that their English teachers at school don’t see the need for them to even read the texts on the GCSE Eng Lit syllabus – apparently, the ‘teaching notes’ (usually from dry Power Point slide presentations) and revision guides suffice…!

376648 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to amandainhampshire, 11, #1268 of 1848 🔗

Difference between teaching when I was at school and my days as a teacher was that we were taught *how* to think (ie critical thinking skills), whereas nowadays teaching is more spoon-feeding, of *what* to think (ie indoctrination)…

376651 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to amandainhampshire, 9, #1269 of 1848 🔗

I completely agree. I am continually asking my son, when he asks me for help, where is his text book or exercise book, so I can see how he is being taught and so not confuse him. They don’t seem to take any notes or have anything to follow other than the revision guides. When I was a teaching at university, people with an A at A-Level chemistry, were asking me things that should have been sorted out by the end of GCSE. It is appalling, but now children are being completely abandoned with schools closed and everything on-line.

376661 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to JASA, 4, #1270 of 1848 🔗

At grammar school a science teacher had rhymes for various things:

“If I’m using the force of Newton over the length of a metre, unless I’m a bit of a cheater, the energy used is 1 Joule.”

Things like that. Cringey at the time until it pops into your head in the middle of a crucial experiment years later.

376691 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DavidC, 9, #1271 of 1848 🔗

Oh my, the days when Horizon was for people with brains. Long, long ago.

376726 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Annie, 7, #1272 of 1848 🔗

yes, used to be excellent, now just dumbed down cartoon science.

Equinox on channel four used to be very worthwhile also. Until it was axed. Probably for some drag show.

Infantilisation.

376628 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to amandainhampshire, 11, #1273 of 1848 🔗

They are public school idiots who have never grown up and have an incredible arrogance of their own abilities, and a sneery disdain for the public. I think they treat this all as a great hoot, and have absolutely no empathy or appreciation of how normal people live and the impact of their ridiculous dictats.
I really wish us brits were made of sterner stuff and told them straight to sod off back to nanny in the nursery.

376735 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #1274 of 1848 🔗

They may be idiots but I don’t see their school is relevant

The idiocy and evil crosses all boundaries, globally

376690 ▶▶ Annie, replying to amandainhampshire, 3, #1275 of 1848 🔗

LF is an interesting analogy. As soon as a grown-up appeared, the nasty, vicious little killers reverted instantly to pathetic infantilism. All we need is the grown-up..

376739 ▶▶ Julian, replying to amandainhampshire, 7, #1276 of 1848 🔗

I think that stoicism in the face of inevitable adversity such as some extra deaths from a virus, and the chance you may die from it, is a quality that has been in decline in recent years. and I think developing that stoicism about the inevitability of death and accepting some problems cannot be fixed is a sign of what used to be called growing up

376592 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1277 of 1848 🔗

There are rumours doing the rounds that the “Covid treatment” being given to Larry King was actually the shot. Any thoughts?

376598 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1278 of 1848 🔗

I read that he’d had the jab, no proof though.

376611 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to leggy, 8, #1279 of 1848 🔗

Hank Aaron a legendary baseball player (legendary in the US) got the jab and died 18 day alter. They gave a lot of publicity to the man at the time.

376630 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #1280 of 1848 🔗

Not sure. He had up & down health issues for quite some time though.

376640 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1281 of 1848 🔗

I’ve always been rather struck by the similarity (looks-wise) between Larry King and Ruth Bader Ginsburg…

376838 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Carrie, #1282 of 1848 🔗

Yep, I can see that!

376595 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #1283 of 1848 🔗
376597 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #1284 of 1848 🔗

The Netherlands has had enough.

Eindhoven is a war zone. People are done with the COVID-measures. Curfew, tighter lockdown, etc.

https://twitter.com/jensjesv/status/1353377918274166784

376645 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Victoria, 2, #1285 of 1848 🔗

Nu breekt mijn klomp!

376686 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 8, #1286 of 1848 🔗

More power to the Dutch rebels. The Dutch have had experience of resisting tyranny.

376613 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1289 of 1848 🔗

I’m amazed that we’ve not seen this more widespread across Europe. Paris aside, there’s been little violence, apart from by the police!

376652 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1290 of 1848 🔗

Maybe it’s just the current cold weather. Some Italian cities witnessed violence but the ultimate protest was the bars and restaurants just opening up.

376635 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1291 of 1848 🔗

Now that’s a good reason for donning a mask!

376790 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1292 of 1848 🔗

OZO!

376600 Nessimmersion, 4, #1293 of 1848 🔗

Allegedly and not vouching for any of it including the misspelling.

376604 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 31, #1294 of 1848 🔗

When I was a kid the Government used to pretend they were in control of the economy. Claiming the credit for the good months, blaming the opposition for the bad months. It did my head in.

15 years later, I had a pretty good education in Science and Finance and learned they were liars.

Now, today, many years later, they pretend they are in control of a seasonal virus. This is definite Government overreach. I do not pay my taxes for a government which pretends to control a virus. They can fcuk off. Better they pretend to control the economy. It is cooler that way.

376784 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1295 of 1848 🔗

It shows you how seriously their messianic tendencies have taken hold of their psyche. Viruses have been with us forever, they mutate, they vary, the return that’s it. However, Johnson and co are now so deluded and crazed by the power they have appropriate they probably truly believe they can eraidcate this. Well, we never eradicated the flu or the common cold both coronaviruses. We have never eradicated pneumonia, COPD, emphysema etc. It’s the same with climate change, what arrogant f*****s around the world believe that we can change nature? Nature is God’s creation, it is truly wonderful, the climate will change, it has over periods in history, the Ice Age anyone? What makes these people who consider themselves to be demi-God’s think we alter or change nature in any way?

When I was in Latin America there were several massive natural disasters around the world, Tsunamis, earthquakes and other disasters. Latin American’s are far more spiritual in their thinking than we are and commune well with nature, leaving it alone. A commentator (actually commenting in the interval of a football match, they don’t have television pundits there) was saying that he thought nature was telling us something about the way we live, about our society’s and about how we have got our priorities wrong. I tended to agree with him. We cannot change nature or the climate, it’s nonsense, nature will do what it does naturally, adapt, change, continue. The beauty of life is in its simplicity. Nature is a beautiful, wonderful creation. We cannot and should not be attempting to change it.

376607 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #1296 of 1848 🔗
376622 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to p02099003, 21, #1297 of 1848 🔗

I was asked by several people during the Summer about whether I thought there would be a ‘second wave’. I said ‘Of course, it’s called seasonal flu or seasonal repsiratory disease. PLUS it’s what the government wants to keep the hysteria going’. I wasn’t far off.

Notice how,despite the fact we’re into a new year, the total deaths continue to rise. We should be looking at this year now, not just adding to last year’s total!

DavidC

376608 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #1298 of 1848 🔗

How odd…I couldn’t view today’s comments until I turned my WiFi off and used 4G instead, has Sky blocked us?!

376614 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #1299 of 1848 🔗

There seemed to be some kind of outage on the comments a few minutes ago.

Appears to be restored. Could be a DNS attack.

376625 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bill H, 2, #1300 of 1848 🔗

Yes, I noticed that outage.

376654 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1301 of 1848 🔗

Nah, happened to me too, just the website being janky.

376621 isobar, replying to isobar, 24, #1302 of 1848 🔗

Another thing that I can’t quite get my head around is why many of the younger generation, those least at risk, are so into face muzzles. Then my wife, also a Lockdown Sceptic, hit me with the theory that the very words ‘virus’ and ‘viral’ resonate with the younger generation. They have grown up with malevolent computer viruses and reports of videos going ‘viral’. So maybe they are sensitised to the concept that viruses are evil and also spread rapidly. Just a thought!

376623 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to isobar, 3, #1303 of 1848 🔗

Interesting thought isobar.

DavidC

376626 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to isobar, 8, #1304 of 1848 🔗

Younger people have also been demonised throughout this and told they are irresponsible, selfish granny killers. Social disapproval is incredibly powerful, as is emotional blackmail.

376637 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1305 of 1848 🔗

But then the older generation were demonised because of Brexit. Probably all listening to too much msm

376707 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #1306 of 1848 🔗

Cast your mind back to the time of the referendum when they were encouraged to see old people as irrelevant and soon to be “six feet under”. They were told that the older generations were “stealing their futures”.

And yet, here we are 4 years later asking them to sacrifice everything Education, social/romantic life, any future prospects of receiving a decent salary or owing a house and their mental health in order to allow the older generation to enjoy a few more years.

There is something very wrong, I have no idea why this has become mainstream.

376632 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to isobar, 9, #1307 of 1848 🔗

Brainwashing in school?

376722 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 1, #1308 of 1848 🔗

Are you Swedish Carrie?

If so, welcome back.

How are things over there?

376644 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to isobar, 16, #1309 of 1848 🔗

They also read very little and not many would devote time and energy to read things like Lockdown Sceptics. All their news is soundbites and brief social media snippets so they are the perfect target audience for government propaganda ….. plus they’ve watched too many zombie films.

376682 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1310 of 1848 🔗

Recognise themselves in the films do they?

376659 ▶▶ Mark, replying to isobar, 4, #1311 of 1848 🔗

They’ve probably watched a lot of silly “pandemic” films as well, and played a lot of silly “post-pandemic” games.

376699 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, #1312 of 1848 🔗

So have I…. didn’t colour my reality… just games, just movies…

376782 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 1, #1313 of 1848 🔗

That’s how sensible people respond to fiction, but I’ve talked to (mostly younger) people whose ideas about disease clearly came directly from Hollywood disaster films.

376762 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 1, #1314 of 1848 🔗

I think that’s a large part of it. Masks are ‘edgy’ and even pre-Covid were part of the get-up of silly suburban revolutionaries from BLM etc.

376662 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to isobar, 5, #1315 of 1848 🔗

It’s perfectly reasonable for them to assume that the people older and wiser than them would tell them the truth, and that to reject this and think they know better would be extremely arrogant. They’re more likely to have larger social circles, where they perceive a high pressure to conform. They’re also more likely to be on the left, and hold vague idealistic notions of unity, rather than having spent time exploring the realities of how to create a society that fosters real and sustainable unity.

376728 ▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 6, #1316 of 1848 🔗

From what I have observed, teenage boys wear them to look thuggish and 20somethings down in London wearing them look like metropolitan virtue signallers

Round my way, compliance in shops is more or less 100% as people are very conformist, but outdoors it is mainly the frightened old wearing them

376758 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Julian, 1, #1317 of 1848 🔗

Not in the High St. As I posted yesterday people now seem to think they have to wear them to buy veg at an open air market. I wished I knew a Harry Potteresque curse to turn them all into pillars of salt (Masktardium salarificio or some such.). Not that I was trying to queue jump or anything.

376631 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 18, #1318 of 1848 🔗

So the 4th Industrial Revolution means that the majority will have no work but be happy. No where to go, nothing to do, but you will be happy. Others will be desperate for cash they will take low pay, working on the surveillance of people. Health care will depend on whether they think you deserve it. Sounds great.

376715 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1319 of 1848 🔗

It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion. I don’t know how people think things will just go back to normal economically and financially.

376746 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #1320 of 1848 🔗

There’s going to be mass unemployment, crime will soar, the government will be hanging on by a thread, supply lines will break down, healthcare will disappear, people will starve, the global economy will collapse, violence will become commonplace and life as we know it will be over. There is no possible way this ends any other way. If you haven’t been paying attention since 2008, to the $1.2 quadrillion dollars of debt and derivatives exposure in the banking system, that’s not my problem, and people telling themselves pretty little stories about how it won’t come to that will lose their fucking minds when it does.

There, I’ve said it, and I couldn’t give a shit people if think I’m wrong. I’ve been preparing for this mentally for the last few years, so bring it on. If others haven’t, well, it’s too late now, cry me a river.

376754 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1321 of 1848 🔗

I’ve been getting my finances on a war footing since 2008 when it became clear they had no intention of fixing anything.

376766 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1322 of 1848 🔗

I understand your logic except that I don’t think it will be as drastic as you say around the world. However, in the UK yes, there will be mass unemployment, inflation is on the rise and it will increase rapidly that, coupled with an extremely poor Brexit deal that is already starting to cause certain business loss of revenue and business, an inflation rate of around 19%, record numbers of house repossession and small businesses going into liquidation, yes, there will be a total collapse of our economy whilst this madness continues. People have already seen a real cut in their income due to Tory Govt policies in terms of continuously rising prices, probably the most expensive and ineffective transport system in the world and mushrooming rents among key factors. They are going to see even more hardship and that is in the income bracket of £25,000-£60,000pa. In the meantime, the exceedingly rich only pay 50% tax and have many loopholes to pay even less and Sunak has ruled out a one of wealth tax and an increase in the rate of taxation for the millionaires and the billionaires. Let’s not forget, people are now having to take out 45yr mortgages and the private rented sector is almost more expensive than paying a mortgage. In addition to which of course, Sunak has also announced the additional £20 increase in UC put in place due to Covid is going to stop. That will leave single people living on much less than the £80pwk it will return to.

The UK currently has the worst economy in the developed world and it will get worse as this Govt don’t have a clue, not one, about how to sort it out.

The economies of many European countries are still very viable and will grow. In the UK our economy was already in a serious recession, in fact, a depression. We have a Govt that doesn’t give a damn

376753 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1323 of 1848 🔗

They won’t until this Govt is voted out and a sensible Government is voted in that will rebuild the economy using Keynsian economics. The UK economy has been in serious decline since David Cameron became Prime Minister. I have been tracking it over the years and seen the GDP go down, down and further down until in January 2020 it was at 0%.

376756 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1324 of 1848 🔗

Keynsian idiots got us into this mess in the first place. They are the last people who could fix this.

376776 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #1325 of 1848 🔗

What, “sensible” people like Jeremy “ herd immunity = allowing people to die ” Corbyn or Kier “lockdown faster and harder” Starmer?

Whatever the solution might be, it definitely won’t involve the Labour Party. Or the “Conservative” Party either, unless that party is reformed root and branch.

376638 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 6, #1326 of 1848 🔗

Love him or loathe him John Lydon AKA Johnny Rotten opinions are always worth a listen
https://youtu.be/n-OfQJikzNI

376875 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to tonyspurs, #1327 of 1848 🔗

Legend !

376643 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #1328 of 1848 🔗

If you have an adverse reaction to the ‘vaccine’ then you are requested to ring a hotline

What is not explained is how you do that if you are dead

376650 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1329 of 1848 🔗

There’s a special Ouija hotline, but you have to provide your own wine glass in advance.

376663 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1330 of 1848 🔗

Oh they’ve got that covered. If you don’t turn up for your second jab they mark you down as a Covid death.

376647 Janette, replying to Janette, 11, #1331 of 1848 🔗

I have just watched a video on The Truthseeker by Dr Simone Gold on the vaccine. I recommend everyone to watch it and sign the petition StopMedicalDiscrimination.org

376656 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Janette, 4, #1332 of 1848 🔗

I watched it a week or so ago Janette and was hooked for the whole hour. It is brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z72zIfdnjC4

DavidC

376727 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janette, 4, #1333 of 1848 🔗

She was arrested this week for being part of the Capitol coup. Yes that attempted coup in the USA, the one which looked nothing like a coup

376747 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1334 of 1848 🔗

Saw some film of that “insurrection” – bunch of mostly old folk calmly filing past carrying signs. Looked a lot more like a political demo than the average BLM “mostly peaceful” riot did in the US in the summer.

376751 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1335 of 1848 🔗

Queuing with intent

376653 Colin, replying to Colin, 11, #1336 of 1848 🔗

MSM article on why the elderly should not wear masks. As anyone with an elderly relative knows, one of the biggest risks they face in daily life is that of falling. Article explains this correctly but falls short of stating the bleeding obvious, which is that for their own protection they shouldn’t be allowed to wear them.
‘Why old people need to be extra careful when wearing masks and how to help’ (msn.com)

376680 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Colin, 9, #1337 of 1848 🔗

How to help? Take the bloody nappy off them and burn it.

376724 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Colin, 6, #1338 of 1848 🔗

“…masks shrink your field of vision…”

Someone should tell that to the mask wearing drivers.

376868 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1339 of 1848 🔗

Yeah. Like my mother always advised me, “Stay clear of drivers in hats”. Masks obviously as well.

377041 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to sophie123, #1340 of 1848 🔗

Oh, gosh, yes! Always the most dangerous, worst drivers. Men in hats (unless part of a uniform).

376658 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 42, #1341 of 1848 🔗

This is on the scummy Propagandalive website

A brazen salon owner who racked up £17,000 in fines after flouting Covid rules during the second lockdown may reopen the business next week

A brazen salon owner who racked up £17,000 in fines after flouting Covid rules during the second lockdown may reopen the business next week.

Sinead Quinn quoted the Magna Carta as a defence not to comply with the strict restrictions after police were called to Quinn Blakey Hairdressing in Bradford, West Yorkshire, in November last year.

The owner, who has yet to pay her Fixed Penalty Notices, has suggested she will reopen the salon’s doors on January 30 – a day she has dubbed ‘The Great Reopening’.

In a furious Instagram rant, the salon’s page wrote: “We’re all opening regardless of lockdown. They can’t control us all when we stand up to them.”

In a separate post, a caption read: “When is lockdown meant to end? Feb? In February you can bet your life savings that Covid-21 will be here and so will your lockdown.

“I’d like you to sit back and watch it all play out but we’re running out of time. Stand up for your freedoms. 30th January.

“Get up and open your businesses, go out and support those businesses. We are the power, not them.”

In a story on her page, Quinn said: “If masks work, why are cases increasing? Why are we in lockdown? Why are you still wearing your mask?”

Quinn has shared a number of videos to the business’s Instagram page questioning lockdown and other Covid measures.

She previously pinned a notice to the door of her shop citing the Magna Carta declaring that she did not consent to the lockdown.

Practicing barrister and best-selling writer The Secret Barrister debunked such a defence last year, labelling it “pure nonsense” and “pseudo-legal rubbish”.

Magistrates eventually ordered the closure of the salon in the last lockdown “to prevent nuisance to members of the public and to safeguard public health”.

Kirklees Council confirmed that the £17,000 fines issued to Quinn Blakey Hairdressing had not yet been paid.

A spokesperson said: “With the time given to pay the fines now passed, we have started a prosecution process and are currently putting our case together.

“This process can take some time and could potentially lead to a trial. Punishment could be an unlimited fine, decided by the court.

“In the meantime, if further breaches of lockdown rules occur, we will need to take the same appropriate action which will be the case for any business.”

Open up on the 30th Please.

376669 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 13, #1342 of 1848 🔗

A spokesperson said: “With the time given to pay the fines now passed, we have started a prosecution process and are currently putting our case together.

“This process can take some time and could potentially lead to a trial. Punishment could be an unlimited fine, decided by the court.

This is great! Hopefully this court case will go the same way as the one in Germany.

376673 ▶▶ Liam, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 16, #1343 of 1848 🔗

“The secret barrister” is a poisonous little shit with the morals of William Joyce or Julius Streicher.

376681 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1344 of 1848 🔗

So pleased I chipped in a little for this lady’s war chest. Talk about backing the right horse!

376694 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1345 of 1848 🔗

Think I’d like to do the same… got a link?

376759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Liam, 8, #1347 of 1848 🔗

Just bunged her a nifty fifty.

These are the people who need our support to get the place open again and put the scum back in their box.

Power to her.

376772 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Liam, 1, #1348 of 1848 🔗

Great, thanks.

376752 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1349 of 1848 🔗

Could you give a link please? I tried to contact Ms Quinn back in November via the telephone number of her salon, to offer financial assistance, but did not get a reply.

376771 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1350 of 1848 🔗
376666 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 9, #1351 of 1848 🔗

Neil O’Brian MP has once again popped his head over the parapet to have a go at lockdown sceptics. I had not heard of this benighted fellow prior to COVID-19, but it appears that he was a Remainer as well. We got rid of most of the hard-core “Conservative” Remainers at the election, but this imbecile has apparently slipped through the net. Interesting the correlation between the Remainers and the Lockdowners, but it is unlikely to be an accident. Perhaps his constituency party might care to de-select him before his constituents do so at the next election.

376671 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Squire Western, 3, #1352 of 1848 🔗

He’s a shill.

376676 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Squire Western, 13, #1353 of 1848 🔗

Dr Claire should take him to court for defamation – he can then sate his evidence to the contrary in court

376744 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Victoria, 2, #1354 of 1848 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree.

376717 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Squire Western, 22, #1355 of 1848 🔗

There a plenty of hard-core Brexiteers supporting lockdowns

IMO it’s best to focus on the covid issue (and freedom of speech, which is related) and keep Brexit out of this

The enemy are trying to divide and rule plenty as it is without us doing their job for them

376767 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, #1356 of 1848 🔗

Yes – but O’Brien was a Remainer. I think you misread the comment.

376769 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Squire Western, #1357 of 1848 🔗

Remainers love authoritarianism.

376778 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to franknhonest, 3, #1358 of 1848 🔗

I don’t.

376780 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, 1, #1359 of 1848 🔗

Although in fairness I have rather reassessed things since 2016 with regards to EU. But being half-German….

376826 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Squire Western, 1, #1360 of 1848 🔗

He’s my Mum’s MP. One of the safest Tory seats in the country for many years.

376675 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 17, #1361 of 1848 🔗

The Look Them in The Eyes posters

What is the most effective way to complain and have them withdrawn?

Is it the ASA?

376679 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SilentP, 8, #1362 of 1848 🔗

Yes. Complaints have already been upheld but for some reason, the ads will still run over the weekend. Do keep up the pressure!

376683 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1363 of 1848 🔗

Thank you. Have just looked at ASA website and will take it from there.

376732 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #1365 of 1848 🔗

Thank you

376710 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 35, #1366 of 1848 🔗

On the propagandalive website, there is an article going on about people gathering at Portobello beach (which is fantastic in the hot summer btw)

One of the comments is this,

“My 89 year old uncle died on Thursday morning of covid despite not leaving the house for 7 month it’s very real and killing people, people are playing fast and loose with the rules that are there for good reason.”

So there we have it folks, the person’s uncle died at way above the average life expectancy of 82, but we have to all stay in our homes, lose out freedoms & jobs, education etc…Just so some 89 year old can live for another year….or less

376725 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1367 of 1848 🔗

If they were so clued into the rules, who are they referring to as playing fast and loose? It’s Covid Logic

376730 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 25, #1368 of 1848 🔗

Before all this Coronabollox, a man who lived to 89 (particularly if he was in reasonably good health until the end) would have been described as having had a ‘good innings’. Now, his death is a tragedy.

What has changed? Is it the media propaganda that describes all deaths as avoidable tragedies, or is it something deeper, to do with a growing inability of modern man to face his own mortality?

376745 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 10, #1369 of 1848 🔗

Worse than that Cranmer they are treating his death as a crime.

376731 ▶▶ Liam, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 43, #1370 of 1848 🔗

So he spent the last seven months of his life in voluntary isolation and misery and then died anyway?

They really don’t think this through do they?

376741 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Liam, 20, #1371 of 1848 🔗

The isolation is probably what killed him and a couple of underlying conditions too.

376740 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 24, #1372 of 1848 🔗

Assuming the old guy even really died of Covid and not just with it then he just wasted the last seven months of his life when he could have made the most of the time seeing family and travelling. Also did he catch it in the hospital? NHS laying fast and loose again?

376755 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 17, #1373 of 1848 🔗

If the relative passed after not leaving their house for more than half a year, what difference does “stay home” make?

376761 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to leggy, 8, #1374 of 1848 🔗

These idiots dont do logic Leggy.

376768 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #1375 of 1848 🔗

He might have lasted longer if he’d not been locked down.

376862 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to franknhonest, 4, #1376 of 1848 🔗

Lack of vitamin D?

376797 ▶▶ mj, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1377 of 1848 🔗

bored to death?

376819 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 11, #1378 of 1848 🔗

How did he catch it then,?
Please remember saving old people,the nHS is just a pretext for an authoritarian government who are planning who knows what for our future.

376822 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #1379 of 1848 🔗

He was jailed for seven months and it’s still our fault?

376840 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 4, #1380 of 1848 🔗

The only lock was in his head.

376825 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 10, #1381 of 1848 🔗

So how did people on the beach infect him with covid when he hadn’t left his house?

376859 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1382 of 1848 🔗

Are we sure it wasn’t the vaccine that killed him!

376860 ▶▶ jos, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1383 of 1848 🔗

Had he had the vaccine? This will be the new wave – deaths from vaccine re-assigned as covid deaths. Opportunistic eugenics- covid is the gift that keeps on giving to the evil elite

376895 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 9, #1384 of 1848 🔗

And he hadn’t left the house for 7 months? So how did he catch it then.

376927 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1385 of 1848 🔗

THAT!
is a VERY good question.

376928 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1386 of 1848 🔗

I’ve been going around heavy-breathing through letterboxes just to stick it to the man.

376713 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1387 of 1848 🔗

The only people who want Lockdowns are those who benefit financially from it. This small point is at least very clear and consistent. It has been clear and consistent since January 2020 when this nonsense started to kick off in China.

Here is another example of a politically influential lockdown big time winner using his influence to earn more cash for his family. “Douglas Robert Ford is a Canadian businessman and politician serving as the 26th and current premier of Ontario since June 29, 2018.”

He is also a boss from Deco Labels & Tags Ltd. His Toronto-based company, manufactures labels and packaging for North American business, also has a division in Chicago.

Anyway…….

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-issues-stay-at-home-order-immediately-declares-second-state-of-emergency-1.5263071

Doug Ford’s family fortune come from a mail packaging manufacturing company.

Why wouldn’t Ford want to prolong a pandemic that require us to mail order most things?

A very good spot by Archibald X on Twitter. Another reminder to always follow the money to understand strategies, decisions, and control. A small example but worthy of note. There are many others who are much worse and gaining much more financially.

https://twitter.com/Archie_Voltaire/status/1351146901538820102

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Ford

376850 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1388 of 1848 🔗

And Dougie was supposed to be our populist saviour. He’s about as populist and libertarian as your Boris turned out to be.

376867 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1389 of 1848 🔗

Boris was mean’t to be our populist savior too.

Maybe Dougie and Boris are related, or perhaps they have something more sinister which leads to their joint useless track records at protecting the vulnerable? Boris and the NHS are responsible for the deaths of thousands in care homes in April 2020. We in the UK should not forget that. Ever. They really, really want us to forget. But we should remember.

376719 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 21, #1390 of 1848 🔗

No offence to anyone who shops there, but I had to venture to M & S today on the search for haggis (for Burns night tomorrow and its hard to get sometimes in N Ireland). Was with my 3 year old son and maskless, lanyard on show.
Majority of snobby shoppers treated me like a ticking time bomb and I got many dirty looks. One staff member in the aisles was very helpful when I enquired as to whether they had haggis, but the one who served me was so nasty and unfriendly.
I didn’t get haggis in the end but found a butchers open who had it.
Won’t be back to M & S anytime soon.

376763 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1391 of 1848 🔗

Yep, M & S, nowadays more like S & M (according to a friend!).

376896 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to iane, 4, #1392 of 1848 🔗

Like this?

377010 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1393 of 1848 🔗

Sorry, but I’ve never seen the appeal (apart from snob appeal) of M&S Food or Waitrose. They are totally overpriced. I just don’t get it, apart from the class issue (I’m low class, apparently). Happy with Tesco, Asda, Morrison’s, Lidl or Aldi.

377039 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1394 of 1848 🔗

Many, many years ago I worked for MAFF (now Defra) and we had a ‘fact finding’ visit to a meat product processing factory that made the same, but differently packaged, products for several national retailers – Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s and….Marks & Spencer.

376733 Will, 21, #1395 of 1848 🔗

A highly entertaining afternoon watching the appalling snow driving from of my kitchen window. Delighted to see so many people out and about in “Lockdown” even in a blizzard with six inches plus of snow on the road. Zoe app down again by the by…

376734 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #1396 of 1848 🔗
376749 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 14, #1397 of 1848 🔗

The more I see the more I’m convinced that the government are acting in bad faith.

376738 Paul, #1398 of 1848 🔗

I think a lot of people need reminding of the words of this song,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UaJAnnipkY

376748 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 35, #1399 of 1848 🔗

This could be my imagination, but I noticed something interesting on my walk today and yesterday (rural East Anglia).

Those with masks generally scuttled past with their heads down, giving as wide a berth as possible, and generally ignored my hearty ‘good morning’, or at best, gave a sort of grunt in reply.

Those without masks generally looked me in the eye, smiled and responded in kind. More so than I remember fellow walkers doing before the Coronapanic.

376757 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1400 of 1848 🔗

Well, I am also in rural East Anglia and have seen no obvious changes, other than that there seem to be a few more walkers out now than a year ago. Very rare round here to see anyone masked except in supermarkets – where it is, sadly, rare as hen’s teeth to see anyone without a mask.

376820 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to iane, 1, #1401 of 1848 🔗

Maskers around here seem to be dog walkers and to stay fairly close to the village. It’s possible they don’t really want to be out, but have no choice because of the dog. The unmasked are more likely to be met over a mile away from built up areas. I agree there are more walkers out, particularly families, which is nice to see.

376823 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1402 of 1848 🔗

Knickered dog walkers are unknown down our way.

377081 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, 1, #1403 of 1848 🔗

I don’t
know what
to say …

376760 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1404 of 1848 🔗

Agreed, I think people just enjoy the human contact more. I saw dozens of people out in the village today whilst on our sledging expedition, all very amiable. Not a mask in sight for comparison though.

376750 Janette, replying to Janette, 7, #1405 of 1848 🔗

A must watch on Brand New Tube, it’s a 4 year old boy who wants to punch Bojo

376764 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Janette, 2, #1406 of 1848 🔗

Away the Lad !

🙂

376765 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Janette, 1, #1407 of 1848 🔗

Step aside, young man! *rolls up sleeves*

376783 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1408 of 1848 🔗

Slapping scene from Airplane!

https://youtu.be/ZbnCZT5R8Ss

376824 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Janette, 3, #1409 of 1848 🔗

Ask the BBC to get Jim to fix it.

376853 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Janette, #1410 of 1848 🔗

Join the queue

376773 franknhonest, replying to franknhonest, 27, #1411 of 1848 🔗

Just ripped down a “closed” notice stuck to a local play area again. That’s twice so far.

376794 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to franknhonest, 6, #1412 of 1848 🔗

I trust you are CCTV aware.

376893 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1413 of 1848 🔗

CCTV – best reason for wearing a mask.

376774 DanClarke, 6, #1414 of 1848 🔗

Just watched the video by Dr Simone Gold. I will never wear a mask because I want to Protect You from Tyranny.

376775 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 9, #1415 of 1848 🔗

It must be pretty obvious now to anyone with the remotest shred of intelligence that this government has no intention of ever releasing anyone from the tyranny of covid rules, at least not until the ‘green reset’ is complete and that will take decades.

So how do we get out of it? Do we really think that a handful of sceptics can persuade them to change course? Get real. There is only one way out of it now and that is the way that all corrupt governments are overthrown and that is a military coup.

Now I don’t want to live under a military dictatorship any more than I do under a civil one, but the advantage of the military option is that they are far less likely to be slaves to the green agenda being mapped out for us by Piffle and his cabal of traitors.

I know there are some on here that have a military background. Time to call in a few favours perhaps?

376791 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Old Bill, 28, #1416 of 1848 🔗

There is no realistic prospect of a military coup.

The only currently realistic route out of the madness is mass non-compliance. And every time you ignore the rules, you are contributing to that outcome.

Ignore the rules.

376799 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Old Bill, 9, #1417 of 1848 🔗

Knowing the woke and globalist ideologues that have infested the top brass, the Armed Forces appear to be well and truly compromised. I would not look to any present arm of the state to get us out of this.

376812 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1418 of 1848 🔗

The Netflix series ‘The Crown’ recently dealt with the alleged plans for a military coup against Wilson’s government in the early 70s. The conclusion was that at least 10,000 troops totally loyal to their commanding officers would be required to carry it off, unless the sovereign explicitly lent her support to the plan.

So I think we can rule out a military coup. What’s more likely is that, if the Great Reset takes hold, there will be sustained rioting and de facto martial law is installed, as in Ulster in 1969. What we might find then is that the civil powers might be more willing to drop the Covid BS in exchange for a quiet life.

376843 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1419 of 1848 🔗

In my view the only viable trigger would be them losing control of the economic situation and unrest being sufficient that is causes them issues.

376913 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1420 of 1848 🔗

They have tanks, helicopter gunships, jet bombers and loads of very brainwashed young people.

376777 Basics, 2, #1421 of 1848 🔗

The Greater Reset
25-29 January 2021

The Greater Reset is the world’s collective response to the World Economic Forum’s Initiative: The Great Reset. From January 25th to the 29th 2021 you are invited to join us for 5 days of discussion about the diverse opportunities available for those who seek to live in harmony with humanity and the planet, while respecting our innate freedom. In this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth speaks with Derek Broze of The Conscious Resistance Network about this amazing event, why it was launched and what it hopes to achieve when it comes to offering solutions in the face of the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset”.

Watch on Bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/video/Fd9YDpBXfBwj/

376779 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 6, #1422 of 1848 🔗

I usually enjoy watching Ski Sunday, despite not a skier myself and have no intention to.

But the athletes wearing all kinds of masks outside (not only on the podium) really puts me off.

376810 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Silke David, 4, #1423 of 1848 🔗

Thanks, David. I just said the same. How sad it is. In the wide open spaces of the lovely Austrian mountain, they STILL tell these people to wear muzzles and compromise their immune systems – and deprive us of watching their delighted expressions for a well-deserved victory.

376855 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Banjones, #1424 of 1848 🔗

Her first name is Silke, not David.

376863 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ossettian, #1425 of 1848 🔗

It’s ok. But thanks for remembering.

376903 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1426 of 1848 🔗

I had her down as a well dressed young man, good at dancing, samba perhaps….smooth…..silke…….
🙂

376844 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Silke David, 3, #1427 of 1848 🔗

If you go onto snowheads.com you will find lots of very good skiers/boarders all saying that it is dangerous to be in a gondola/skibus/chairlift without a ffs (or whatever it called) muzzle and how pleased they are that bars are closed. For clarity they must live out there as no tourism in any countries afaik and indeed French lifts shut.. Now my idea of a ski holiday is some skiing with good lunches and very loud packed apres ski bars. These same people take calculated risks in offpiste /steep slopes. Does not compute.

376996 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1428 of 1848 🔗

I posted some lockdown sceptic content on snowheads a few weeks ago and got the usual angry virtue signalling mob response. I also noted that the ukclimbing.com website forums went full on lockdown zealot early on.

Having been a mountain sports lover for my whole life, I’ve always accepted individual responsibility for my own risks and that a life without taking some risk isn’t living. I have to admit that it blew my mind that people whom I thought had the same outlook were such massive bedwetters.

376781 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 43, #1429 of 1848 🔗

Ended up having a pleasant phone call earlier with a shop owner in a small Yorkshire village. I’d passed their shop this morning and had taken exception at their shop sign which said ‘No mask, no entry. If exempt please show card’.

I emailed pointing out that this was illegal and got an email back saying I was ‘selfish’ etc. I then pointed out I was only trying to help. Ended up agreeing to this phone call. He wished that people would just follow the rules. Travel should be restricted etc. And yet he agreed with me that the virus would mutate and spread regardless of lockdown. His shop is massively down on takings. He also basically agreed with me that lockdowns were causing immense harm and even admitted that he’d accused the local parish council of behaving like North Korea a few months back when they tried to stop him playing football with his young son in a local playing field. He said that online learning is draining him. The shop keeper also expressed concern about suicides because of this.

I’m gratified that we made some peace and I wish him well. But this experience strikes me hugely of how incoherent many peoples’ views are right now.

376788 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 8, #1430 of 1848 🔗

It’s incoherent because the government response is exactly that. And they in turn are being led ( if we are to believe them) by “ the science “.

Blind leading the blind….

376789 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1431 of 1848 🔗

Well done. I think we ought to keep these channels of communication open. It’s easily to fall into a ‘them and us’ mentality, and that’s just the sort of division that tyrannical governments love. That’s why they stoke ancient, long-gone feuds about race, slavery etc.

376796 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 14, #1432 of 1848 🔗

He’s a victim of the govts divide and rule propaganda. They keep making noises that if everyone follows the rules, we’ll get out of lockdown. Hence the aggression against “rule breakers”. The truth of course is that even if everyone followed all of the rules, no matter how ridiculous, it wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference.

376804 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 6, #1433 of 1848 🔗

And, let’s face it. If the government’s ”roolz” weren’t formulated to produce just this division, we should expect that they should be the first to reassure us. They KNOW that there is a sizeable minority that is severely discomfited – yet they do NOTHING to reassure us.

376845 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1434 of 1848 🔗

Did he give any indication of how he’s meant to ‘police’ it – I.e. guidelines from central/local government/council that led to him ‘wishing that people would stick to the rules’? Any consequences on him if they didn’t?

376817 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 19, #1436 of 1848 🔗

Tomorrow they will be back to screaming for harder, tighter, tougher, longer restrictions.

And if you really haven’t hugged your family for a year, just because Wancock told you not to… then I despair.

376834 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1437 of 1848 🔗

And who will be organising the polls? It wouldn’t be ”Youguv” by any chance”. Helped out by a certain Mr Zahawi, who knows where the pies are, and the fingers in them – perhaps?

376837 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1438 of 1848 🔗

Tbh I’m of the same opinion. Who in their right mind wouldn’t see, touch, hug their loved ones once the true benign nature of this ‘killer’ virus was established?
Apart from the sheep hanging off Pharma Hancock and Piers Morgan’s every word (unfortunately more eejuts than you’d expect).

376871 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1439 of 1848 🔗

Just ask the screamers: are you paid from the public purse?
(If they understand the question – and I don’t think many, especially teachers, will – then the answer will be instructive.)

376793 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #1440 of 1848 🔗

Thank goodness I know I’m not alone…..

I’m just watching ”Ski Sunday”. All these wonderful and dedicated young people are doing their best for their country and themselves. And yet – when we see them on the podium of their triumph, we and all those who are their friends and family, have to see them muzzled up to the eyeballs, with no character and no identity, despite their huge achievements.

I am utterly sickened.

376800 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Banjones, 12, #1441 of 1848 🔗

As with cycling now unwatchable. Football unwatchable for different covid carry on reasons.

PS I sneaked onto a downhill course once to get a good view. The risk these folk take going down to win the cup and podium is heart thumping, but gotta wear a mask. Doolally.

376836 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 2, #1442 of 1848 🔗

Same with horse racing. The people who mend the fences and hurdles between races have to be muzzled up even though in the open air.

376865 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1443 of 1848 🔗

It is truly soul destroying to see just how many professional people in all walks of life (and particularly sport) are allowing themselves to be coerced and manipulated just for the sake of their few pieces of silver.
As if the likes of Lewis Hamilton couldn’t make a stand – if just for the sake of his silly BLM allegiance. And BLM would surely benefit if he weren’t such a miserable, money-grubbing coward. He could stand proud, and then even some of us sceptical ones might congratulate him.

376841 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 3, #1444 of 1848 🔗

Did you see the Japanese coaches hugging each other all the time, with their surgical masks on? Utter tosh!

376888 ▶▶ court, replying to Banjones, 2, #1445 of 1848 🔗

Even though it’s extremely boring, F1 is my thing on the telly. Possibly the only thing I actually watched properly nowadays.

I used to stick it on at 1130 watch all the build up then have it on till way after the race at 1700. I’d be cooking the Sunday lunch, playing with the kids etc.

But this year, due to the pointless health theatre and blm stuff it would be switched on with 5 mins to go before the start and turned off just after the chequered flag.

I can’t be the only one, can I?

377015 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to court, 2, #1446 of 1848 🔗

i didnt even get that far. I would put it on for the first lap and see if anyone crashed .. then i would watch something else knowing that Hamilton was going to win and and make me want to throw up with his virtue signalling and strange moral code) because he has by far the best car in the race and win because of that .. the only driver we know he is better than is his team mate. when hamilton couldnt race because of covid (yeah right!) that kid was as good as him

377047 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to court, 1, #1447 of 1848 🔗

F1 was the only sport I could be bothered with, but I wasn’t really enjoying the double race format, and I walked away completely as Hamilton went OTT with BLM. I’m glad I saw the first Silverstone race, but I just don’t care now. I’m done.

376795 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #1448 of 1848 🔗

How are the Nightingale hospitals standing up? I haven’t heard much recently so must assume they are still empty.

376801 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1449 of 1848 🔗

I don’t know but I hope it’s not windy tonight.

376828 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1450 of 1848 🔗

I don’t know about the Nightingales, but what about those morgues at Birmingham Airport and Portsmouth, and many many other places (so we were told). They must be bulging. How awful for the people who are managing them – and the funeral directors who have to cope with all this fall-out……….

376910 ▶▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to Banjones, 2, #1451 of 1848 🔗

And the ONS figures which show total mortality hardly different year on year – some ‘fibbing’ and jiggery-pokery going on somewhere, methinks…

376981 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Paul Barbara, -2, #1452 of 1848 🔗

I’m not sure how you reach that conclusion.

376842 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1453 of 1848 🔗

Quieter than a flag day in Aberdeen.

376883 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1454 of 1848 🔗

The excel has had 64 beds reinstalled after it was cleared out.Matt Hancock life to Parliament saying it was ready to admit patients so the 64 beds were hastily reinstalled.The excel is the size of many football pitches.

376885 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1455 of 1848 🔗

It should read lied to Parliament

376901 ▶▶▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1456 of 1848 🔗

Oh, I didn’t know they had now reinstalled them. I knew about Hancock blatantly lying to Parliament – odds are no MP pulled him up on it.

376926 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Paul Barbara, 2, #1457 of 1848 🔗

Lying to the house used to be a resigning matter.
The excel is huge.64 beds is a pathetic number but there is no accountability anymore.

376894 ▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1458 of 1848 🔗

Well, the London one and I believe one other have been completely decommissioned, with all equiptment gone.
Strange, when they were expecting a ‘second wave’ (and probably a third, fourth etc).
Are all the NHS hospitals chock a block? Well, not according to this Consultant, who chose to remain anonymous rather than lose his job and leave his family without a breadwinner:
‘NHS Consultant Says Staff Are Being Silenced Over COVID-19’: https://www.thebernician.net/nhs-consultant-says-staff-are-being-silenced-over-covid-19/
No MP. of any party, of course, has the guts to ask the government to protect NHS workers from being gagged. They too don’t want the truth to get out, that we are in a ‘Casedemic’, not a ‘Pandemic’. Got to keep the ‘Great Reset’ on track, now, haven’t we?

376813 Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #1459 of 1848 🔗

Prominent writer flees Portland after increased threats from ‘Antifa extremists’
But hey, they’re “not really left wing” because they aren’t nice, see. Except for the ones who are really nice and cuddly idealists, and just maligned or provoked by evil conservatives trying to do provocative journalistic things – they can be “left wing”.

Left/right is not nice/nasty. Nor is the converse true.

376832 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mark, 6, #1460 of 1848 🔗

Welcome to Biden America .

376878 ▶▶▶ Paul Barbara, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1461 of 1848 🔗

Welcome to Biden’s stolen America. And I am no Trump supporter.

376915 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Mark, 1, #1462 of 1848 🔗

Andy Ngo? They already put him in hospital.

376929 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Liam, 1, #1463 of 1848 🔗

He got better.

376815 Les Tricoteuses, 39, #1464 of 1848 🔗

People’s ability to assess risk is now non existent in some cases.
Today driving locally on a road covered in icy slush I had a couple step right out into the carriageway to avoid another couple on the pavement (approx 5′ wide). They had their backs to me and didn’t look. Luckily I was going about 20mph because of the conditions and didn’t run them over.
The risk of infection must have been vanishingly small, compared to the risk of been injured. Mad

376833 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 24, #1465 of 1848 🔗

“The violence climaxed with a group of rioting young people torching a coronavirus testing facility and threw fireworks at police in a Dutch fishing village.

Video from the village of Urk, 80 kilometers (50 miles) northeast of Amsterdam, showed youths breaking into the COVID-19 testing facility near the village’s harbor before it was set ablaze Saturday night.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dutch-youth-torch-covid-testing-facility-violent-curfew-backlash

376940 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, 7, #1466 of 1848 🔗
376835 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1467 of 1848 🔗

I want to complain to the ASA about every single govt corona propaganda ad possible. But I don’t watch telly or buy newspapers or do anything that might expose me to them. I only know about them from this forum.

Could someone list them all for me? I know about the Look Into My Eyes one of course, and the banned jogger/dog walker effort, but are there any others currently around?

376839 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1468 of 1848 🔗

There’s another I heard for the first time today saying it’s highly likely that the shopping trolley handle is infected with Covid. However, given the governments claim that 1 in 3 people are ‘infected’ then this is surely untrue?

376854 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Maverick, 6, #1469 of 1848 🔗

If they were really concerned about this aspect, then we’d be wearing gloves, not muzzles.
And there’d be hazardous waste bins outside every supermarket – since those items would be very infectious and dangerous.

Ha bloody ha

376856 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Maverick, 7, #1470 of 1848 🔗

Wouldn’t know, I never “sanitize” shopping trollies or anything else for that matter, life’s too short.

376882 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1471 of 1848 🔗

Thank god you don’t. I had an allergic reaction earlier. I saw a woman put her trolley back and spray it with sanitizer.
If you want a sanitized trolley, do it yourself. Don’t expose people like me.
My reaction did not set in until at home and it had gotten into my system, and as I live alone it was quite scary for a few moments!
As someone mentioned earlier, I could have done a Bruce in the shop!

376905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Silke David, 2, #1472 of 1848 🔗

What’s a “Bruce”?

376909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #1473 of 1848 🔗

The mighty Bruce Reynolds of this parish and his stress related shop meltdowns.

376917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Liam, 7, #1474 of 1848 🔗

Nuff said!

376985 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liam, 7, #1475 of 1848 🔗

Legend

377086 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Maverick, 1, #1476 of 1848 🔗

next it’ll be from a toilet seat </