2021-01-25

The headline is sickening. How to bankrupt a nation in one easy lesson

Hear, hear. I think I need to spend a day away from this.

T he Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/
https://t.me/thegreatreopening
30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

Believe me, if I was there I would be knocking on the pub doors to let me in – maskless and no anti-social distancing. If they wanted my phone number and home address I would put Thailand down.

I sincerely hope this happens and the great British public supports these premises.

I had started to give the name and address of people I don’t particularly like when doing the track/trace thing.

Love it. Will thimk of that when I am next in the uk

My wife and I have heard about this and we are planning our first meal out for 10 months on Saturday. Where? We don’t know.
No face-nappy, no anti-social distancing, no QR code.

Mr Bart and I are trying to find if there are any pubs, restaurants and cafes that are open on 30 January. We would be happy to support them.

Me too I would go and support any cafe, pub or restaurant on Saturday even if even I did not like the food! The question is where will these businesses be. I will be in south shropshire on Saturday and free all day if anyone has any ideas of where to go?

I would too but if they identify themselves to us they are also identifying themselves to the police and lockdown lovers and given the current propaganda blitzkrieg things could get messy. I propose Valentines Day as an alternative date, daily deaths and cases should be well down by then.

I think that’s the whole point – its the Gandhi school of Civil Disobedience.

Open up and when the police come and issue fines, cry foul and demand your day in court.

If more than enough cafes, pubs, restaurants even shops, venues and museums do this the police and courts will be swamped especially as there is a backlog of more than 50,000 cases.

Pub full of 80 people each carrying a pitchfork. What’s the car full of cops gonna do?

I live in London and it would be interesting to see what parts of the city where these cafes, pubs and restaurants will be open. We’re happy to go to any part of London where they’re open.

Surely the people we should look to are the more independent ‘communities’ – Asian and so forth. Surely they have more than enough supporters to face up to this. Everyone else of any persuasion, with anti-lockdown sympathy, would help.

Possibly Chinatown?

Is this happening throughout the country? I’ve only heard England mentioned. What about Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland?

I have no idea sadly. We’ll presumably hear more closer to the time.

It’s been posted on a few anti lockdown Facebook groups in Scotland. Compliance here is high though so whether or not it takes off is debatable. I’ll be taking a walk along my local high St on Saturday though and will certainly go into anywhere that’s open.

Me too will try Shrewsbury probably. Will go in anywhere open.

Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/latest-icnarc-graphs-amongst-general-reattribution-of-other-illness-to-covid-19-pneumonia-from-flu-is-a-thing-of-the-past/#comment-2247

Should keep this one circulating – very damning evidence.

This really is looking quite important now. To gauge the level of resistance and willingness to display it.

White Supremacy

Tony Heller – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFelwmbRI8

Joe Biden says supporters of President Trump are “white supremacists” and “terrorists.” I live in Cheyenne, Wyoming – the most Republican state. Cheyenne is a military town with a very diverse population, and people get along great. I’ve never met a “white supremacist” – but if Joe Biden says so, it must be true.

The Truth About PCR Tests

Dr. Sam Bailey
168K subscribers
The truth about Covid 19 PCR Tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNkJUDctdk&list=WL&index=16

It’s difficult to deal with this each day. It drags you down. Definitely keep up with hobbies and other interests. Take your mind off this junk, stay passionate about other things. Even if it’s just computer games or whatnot.

It is hard and with the freezing weather too. My partner is getting seriously depressed….there must be millions feeling the same.

The Persecution of the Uyghurs in China – a window into our future?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP4JmvU7hEU&list=WL&index=2&t=8s
Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen
380K subscribers

The Uyghurs in East Turkistan are being persecuted by the Chinese government. Mass surveillance, concentration camps, labour camps, forced sterilization. We need to speak up against this.

The only reason the US is concerend about Uighers is that they were intended to be used as terrorist forces to destabilise China, after being trained and operating in ISIS/FSA/etc groups in Syria.

Meanwhile https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f3a5.svg In Brazil https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f92c.svg …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_z5BfDSxvs

£60 Fine for Visiting Mum 96 In Care Home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S8Pc6tgeIs

There is a special place in hell for this level of jobsworth.

We will indeed be bankrupted. Perhaps we already are. The idol on the altar of lockdown, by which I mean the NHS, will not survive it.

“You will own nothing and you will be happy” – the Great Reset.

“You will be brainwashed and you will be happy.”

You will BE nothing, and you will be happy

The NHS will survive just as long as we are able to provision the people who we ask to work within it. It’s never a matter of money. It’s only ever a matter of stuff.

And since the workers are still working while the Professional Middle Class hide, that will continue to happen.

The farmers are still in their fields and the lambs will still be born on schedule. Nothing that actually matters has stopped.

Except the economy and social interaction?

We already are. The (private) Bank of England has graciously allowed the UK to extend their borrowing from ~2% of GDP to 25% of GDP – about £250 billion. The interest alone is likely to be £250 million a year at current interest rates. That is essentially pure profit for the Bank of England. I imagine there are asset transfer conditions that would come into effect If the loans are defaulted on.

This explains why the government is handing out money to cronies as though there is no tomorow. The taxpayer is on the hook, not them.

Save the NHS – for private sector looting when loans cannot be met.

Another lesson from history. Germany was bankrupt with hyperinflation when a certain person from Austria came into power and the rest as they say is history.

It’s a well known fact that fascism works in the short term to revive an economy, as you pointed out. But it does rely on having someone even modestly competent in charge. And in the long run it strangles the market and destroys any innovation.

The German economy was recovering before Hitler took power. His policies of autarky and war production were bankrupting the country. He had to invade Russia in 1941 or he would have run out of oil and the German food rations would have been cut.

A better example and comparison is post WW2.
Civil servants and pensioners were in the poorhouse for a generation as the private sector boomed after the currency reform, but couldn’t be milked yet and as the government couldn’t borrow much and only at high rates.
That’s what keeps me going, the thought of former politicians, teachers, civil servants, GPS, final salary pensioners queuing up at the food banks.

NOT a helpful comment to make. There are some of us on here and also fighting back against the Government.

Absolutely. And the best way for us potential food bank queuers to fight back is from within.

As long as there’s enough for that last bottle of Laphroaig. Got my lovely enamel beaker from Arthur Beale ready and the little Hillyard 4 tonner will serve splendidly as the funeral barge.

Damn. I knew I should have kept my Hillyard 6 Tonner. The magnificance of a Viking funeral -would beat the socially distanced crem any day

Indeed. Everyone gets off on saying how bad the Nazis were, but almost no one understands where they came from.

Actually it was the austerity of 1931 more than the hyperinflation of 1923 that helped put the Nazis into power. Many contemporary Germans forgot this, which goes some way to explain why the Eurozone became increasingly dysfunctional after 2008.

You cannot bankrupt a nation with its own currency. Pretending otherwise is just as silly as thinking masks stop you getting infected. Both are systemic mistakes – caused by people treating their own feelings about their own individual situation and trying to apply that directly to the aggregate macro situation. Or as it is known ‘a fallacy of composition’.

The nation can maintain itself for as long as the working class continue to do the hard leg work, while the middle class hide away scared of their shadows.

Correct, there will be no bankruptcy. All debts will be paid in nominal terms.

Hyperinflation is the path of least resistance.

Yes, ‘stuff’ is what matters – not money. Right again.

However, ask yourself where that ‘stuff’ comes from.

It is imported – overwhelmingly.

So, ask yourself, if the UK keeps ‘printing’ pounds to import ‘stuff’, then at what point do the recipients of pounds ask themselves what they are going to do with them.

That massively increased budget decicit at HM Treasury leads to a wider trade deficit, as it is funnelled into maintaining the consumption of ‘stuff’ which is overwhelmingly imported.

As the currency falls, what are they going to do – increase interest rates.

The UK doesn’t pay in pounds for everything it imports. It has to pay in USD for oil/gas. That means it has to buy USD which will become cripplingly expensive if the USD outlives the GBP. The Russians and Chinese are currently using currency swaos for about 25% (rising) of their mutual trade. They are becoming increasingly isolated form the vagaries and abuse enabled by the privileged position of the USD>

All countries are doing it, that’s the saviour, for a while.
I doubt that they can raise rates without causing a total catastrophe in financial markets and asset prices, which would annihilate all banks.
It’ll be a quick hyperinflation without any defending actions, IMO.
After the currency reforms, only a few old Western currencies will be left, like the NOK, SEK and may be the CHF.

I liked Dr Gono’s comment in Zimbabwe that the problems with the money supply weren’t his fault because he was printing money as fast as he could.

Wouldn’t the equivalent of “bankruptcy” for a country with its own fiat currency be when it can no longer buy essential imports because the exporters are no longer willing to accept that currency (instead demanding US$ or gold)?

If you look at the UK currency, it is copyright the Bank of England. The Bank of England is a private for-profit corporation, with the UK government as a minority shareholder. The other majority shareholders are unknown. If the BoE ceases to print money, or make loans to the UK govt, things will hit the fan remarkably quickly.

Can anyone now doubt that we are living in a dictatorship? Parliament (with about 2 dozen exceptions among the MP’s) is a disgrace.

Lockdowns, distancing, face nappies, and vaccines.

Forever.

Wankok, Boris, Psntsdown, Dungford and Turdgeon burning in hell.
Forever.

Well I wouldn’t want to be them doing their Life Review just after they’ve died LOL.

Yup, Interview without coffee one hopes.

This is all so depressing. They won’t let go now because when they do the reckoning starts. I really hope hospitality and “non-essential” businesses do open up on 30th and stick two fingers up to them. I doubt there is enough bravery in the land though.

If there is no fight back that will be the end for EVERYBODY!

People have to start realising this has bugger all to do with any virus!

I really hope they do and that they have maximum support. It was great to see the Italians reminding the filth who pays their wages and jeering at them and making them back off. I cant wait to see this happen in this country.

Is there a website we could check to see what pubs are actually going to open.

LOL yeah… the authorities would never find and use that list for anything authoritarian…

Christmas was the big milestone for them. The public let them shut down our biggest celebration without a whimper of dissent and gave the green flag to go ahead and lock down permanently (July is another carrot on a stick).

But I also think Christmas was a big turning point for a lot of those hitherto compliant. The screeching hyperbole of the current propaganda suggests that many worms turned at the end of December.

I’d like to think you’re right. Unfortunately for me, everyone I know have since become totally obedient and openly scared of Corona.

It will be unless a sufficient number of people rise up and throw off the masks and ignore social distancing and go back to gatherings and meeting up. If even 5% of people did this the filth and the scumbag marshalls would be powerless to enforce it.

Sadly I know pretty much nobody apart from me who would do it! So nobody to meet or gather with.

I have been saying this since May..

From the Telegraph’s attempted scaremongering about “wards full of people in their 30s, 40s and 50s”, the following unintentionally revealing information (which will probably be edited out soon):

“The demographic of the patients in ICU is notable. They are all overweight – I’m told one weighs 150kg – making the task of turning them onto their fronts for a procedure known as proning (which helps to improve breathing and oxygenation in the blood) far more difficult.

“It takes a team of five to prone one patient, and it’s a slow process, involving wrapping the unconscious patient in bedsheets and protecting them with a layer of pillows as they are gently rolled over, all while keeping their airways clear.”

I cannot but read the quote without thinking the word prone (meaning to lie face down) was a part of the language they had never come across, and so they decided to construe it as medical jargon, rather than plain, everyday English.

Presumably its opposite is ‘supining’: to assume an attitude of grovelling, cowardly passivity in the face of whatever terror tactics the Fascist bullies choose to adopt.

I like this comment. It’s going in my Word document that I made in August of LS comments.

Not only are the British people supine, they’re supine and having their noses rubbed in the dirt. And that takes some doing!

Even the heavenly choirs need some gymnastic ability, as in the infamous verse:

Let high-born Seraphs tune the lyre,
And, as they tune it, fall
Before his face who tunes their choir,
And crown Him Lord of All.

So does that mean that the vast majority of Covid deaths are either obese, or over-80s who aren’t even sent to ICU and are instead just left to die?

There has been the plausible theory put forward that those who are vulnerable are also on medication designed to boost ACE2, especially when related to he lungs. The SARS-CoV-2 virus attaches to these receptors.

So over medication in the West has to be considered a possibility here rather than just have diabetes for example. It could be the meds used to address it too, though its poorly studied

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/9/e040644

Which common drugs boost ACE2, and which conditions are they used to treat?

It also gets back to the question of how many of these obese people of all ages are also targeted for annual flu vaccinations – supporting another theory that the flu vaccine and SARS CoV2 do not mix well.

Surprised NHS/Moloch has set the barrier as high as 85. Waiting (at 67) for my DNR certificate suitable for framing ready for paramedics. Should there be an upper weight limit too?

That’s a very strong hypothesis.
There are other relevant comorbidities but obesity seems to be a very prominent factor.

Would it not be easier simply to suspend them in tanks of water, leaving the blowhole head clear to breathe, of course.

So we now need some new posters:

“Look him in the eyes and tell him that you really, really need that one last Mars bar…”

Mr Creosote!

Deep-fried, of course, if you’re in Turdgeon Land.
I knew there was something unhealthy about all those substantial Scotch eggs.

I’m almost certain that I read a few months ago that there was evidence that laying patients with respiratory problems on their front is actually more detrimental to their breathing than keeping them on their back. Personally, I can’t see how laying someone on their front does anything more than detrimentally compress the lungs.

In other words – the rest of us suffer – because they’ve opened their mouths and stuffed them full of junk on a regular basis and probably been too lazy to walk an easy walking distance to get anywhere. Well I know who comes first for consideration then – and it’s not them.

I just got a mental image of slave building the pyramids from that description.

The person chopping down the last tree on Easter Island is more evocative.

http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/1409/d3/e34139ea65ff.jpg

O’Brien was a May lackey

He has been about his anti LS propaganda for about three weeks now

One Tuesday G4S will start converting hotels into prisons

Wonder what will happen next?

(There is no connection between O’Brien, May, and G4S and don’t let anyone tell you any different)

Declaring a personal interest! O’Brien is the MP for Harborough ward (Con) which covers the relatively tiny territory of Oadby & Wigston (Lib Dem), a grim overcrowded suburb tacked onto the edge of an otherwise sprawling (and in places very nice) green space. Anyone think his being so vocal about lockdowns is linked? Sold Oadby & Wigston down the river for his own purposes maybe? The extended lockdown didn’t actually work here, as is clear from the Gov.uk dashboard.

Guardian News: Anti-lockdown rioters clash with Dutch police in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evmo5aG377Q

Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Tunisia… The revolt is spreading.

Israel. Students protesting about school closures too.

People have had enough. I think its spreading.

I’m not expecting any real revolt from the UK we’ve become a nation of bedwetters.

Sadly I have to agree with you but one never knows. There is a point where enough people won’t take the crap anymore.

We need a police strike, like in 1918.

I am sceptical about these constant polls that apparently show the majority of the public are in favour of lockdowns, social distancing and face masks policies. The people I know who are in favour of these policies and condemn others for breaking the rules, have themselves routinely broken the rules from the outset. They are in favour of the rules for others.

Besides my personal experience of the hypocrisy of the lockdownistas, I am also aware that many people when asked a question will provide what they think it is the correct, socially approved answer, rather than assert their own opinion. The way polls are conducted is likely to exacerbate this tendency.

This tendency to elicit misleading responses is also reinforced by the way pollsters frame issues. Questions are often written in a manner that implies an obviously correct answer; or a range of possible answers is provided which exclude a particular, yet relevant, position.

My scepticism of the polling is reinforced by what I see of people’s behaviour. If the majority of the people are in favour of the draconian responses to the virus, why do they behave as if they are not? The government’s headline message is: Stay Home, but this is not what the majority are doing.

What I think the polls are showing is that many people, perhaps the majority, are not prepared to explicitly contradict (for no benefit to themselves) the propaganda: they are not prepared to tacitly admit to the pollsters: I am one of the granny killers; rather they wish to present themselves as one of the moral, caring people, who are making noble sacrifices for the good of others.

The polls offer an opportunity for mass virtue signalling. They might as well ask: Are you a good person? Yes/NO.

Trust the science, govern through polls! What can go wrong?

Polls remind me of Boris Johnson’s entire approach to leadership. Work out which way a crowd is generally going, and nip out in front to lead.

Je suis leur chef, il faut que je les suive.

I would agree that many people have programmed themselves with the ‘correct view’, much as they would under facist or communist totalitarian regimes.
This is why, once you hint at your own lockdown scepticism, they often quickly and sometimes forthrightly express sceptical views themselves.

A friend of mine who once spent a term in communist Poland told me that was exactly what happened. Fellow students cagily expressed the correct opinions until they were sure he wan’t a snitch, then the mask (sorry) came off, and their real opinions were wholly sceptical.
Most people automatically adopt the safe option under a brutal dictatorship. But it follows automatically that when the dictatorship collapses, the safe people will not lift a finger in its defence.

A frightened man went to the KGB. “My talking parrot has disappeared.”

“That’s not the kind of case we handle. Go to the criminal police.”

 “Excuse me, of course I know that I must go to them. I am here just to tell you officially that I disagree with the parrot.”

George Orwell wrote something similar about when he was a policeman in India in the 1920s. Any opposition to the Raj by whites was taboo and one had to be very careful when discussing such things with strangers.

Polls are a means to influence public opinion not measure it.

As I’ve always said the polls are rigged and one should never trust them.

Well said about those lockdowinstas who break the rules themselves. I have asked those who whine about people not socially distancing or wearing masks, “so why are you not at home then?”

I never get an answer. It’s always tumbleweed.

Says a lot about these people.

YouGov is owned by Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi & Stephan Shakespeare also founder of ConservativeHome .

And your government is owned by Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.

Covidiot = Someone who breaks the rules slightly more than you do.

It’s the old speeding thing isn’t it…

Anyone going faster than me is a maniac, anyone going slower is a moron.

I am sceptical about these constant polls that apparently show the majority of the public are in favour of lockdowns, social distancing and face masks policies.

Agreed. Plus sadly I do not trust The Spectator in the slightest these days. In my view, they became a department of The Ministry of Truth late last year when Allegra Stratton, the wife of their political editor James Forsyth, became Al Johnson’s press secretary after Cummins and mate left. Evidence? They had ‘exclusive’ front page interviews with Sunak and Hancock soon after. Plus, they editorial messaging has increasing been fully signed up to and pushing the government narrative ‘the only way out is the amazing vaccine’. Finally, their editor Fraser Nelson wrote some great thoughtful and sceptical pieces over last summer. Not recently to my knowledge. I’m sure these are all just coincidences ….

Late last year? lol

The minute Fraser Nelson got his pale blue arse in the editors chair it was all over for the Spec.

When Isabel Hardmann (whiny feminazi, and mistress of disgraced former Labour MP ) was made asistant editor, it all went decidedly woke… Did you not notice paleolithic misandrist dumper-truck Julie Bindel getting repeated column inches in which to declare that all men are rapists and all domestic violence is committed by men?

Yep, the rot has been setting in for some time for sure. There have been the odd piece in there over recent years thats prompted me to subscribe (and then cancel!).

Didn’t know about the Hardmann link, makes sense now. I still think Fraser Nelson wrote some thoughtful lockdown sceptical pieces. Mind you, his and the magazines fully signed up position to ecoloonery has been nauseating for a long time.

Fraser Nelson writes as controlled opposition.

Never forget that he and Boris sip from the same cup.

And James Forsyth of that parish……married to one Allegra Stratton… he knows Rishi from school (Winchester) and university….Sunak and his wife are godparents to their children…..what a happy series of coincidences.

Agreed. I cancelled my spectator subscription last year. So many friendly links to the Johnson Government, no where near critical enough of the government. Mary Wakefield, Cumming’s wife was commisioning editor.
Interesting move dropping Delingpole last year.

I had a month’s free subscription late last year. That was enough. No way would I pay for such drivel.

I don’t know whether Delingpole got red-pilled about Boris before or after his defenestration from the Spectator, but I’m sure the two are connected.

Until far too recently, he was over the moon about Boris’ ascendancy, predicting all manner of unicorns and rainbows.

Absolutely spot on! The Speccie has been a very serious disappointment for a mag with a supposedly “conservative” outlook. They should be raging at the loss of our freedoms and the damage done by lockdowns but there has hardly been a peep. I’ve cancelled my subscription.

But the btl comments are generally scathing of any of these woke types. There are exceptions of course (usually nutters like Kolya and Nick Harman).

Those two are a right pair. Harman blocked me, happily.

Strangely enough, I always got on okay with Nick Harman! I don’t particularly miss him, I hasten to add- I do miss Ianess, Lola, Steph, Peta J, but not enough to resubscribe to the appalling New Establishment rag.

Kolya is indisputably a troll.

I have never paid for it ……only ever read it in W H Smiths in the railway station. I would not bother even doing that now. Mind you of course that would be spreading a deadly disease lol.

Forsyth is godfather to Sunak’s kids and vice versa.

Agreed. The polls are largely meaningless.

If you set out to terrorise the population, and then ask them if they are scared, they are probably going to say “Yes”.

Be careful, internment is coming. Converting hotels into prisons. 100,000 capacity

They want you to stay at home because they want to know where to find you when it’s your turn

Happening in Canada already if you refuse PCR test at airport on return home from abroad. (Rebel News)

I can’t believe why so many Tory MPs are letting Boris get away with this madness. Are they truly insane? Boris is beyond reprieve and Steve Baker deserves more support in his bid ask MPs to pressure him. I have come to the conclusion that no amount of evidence or rational discussion will have any effect on Boris as he’s been fully swallowed up by a dangerous death cult of ever more extreme lockdown.

And nothing than be done because the so called opposition is even more zealot. Parliament offers no way out of this. Johnson knows this. He doesn’t care what the CRG thinks.

Conservative MPs have a route out of this by threatening to trigger a leadership contest. The Covid Recovery Group has more than enough MPs.

yes, I think CRG is one hope. They were quite vocal in the summer but go very quiet when infections rise.

they had Heneghan and Sridhar give them presentations recently. I hope they took what Sridhar said with a mountain of salt considering she has no background in the subject

What they are waiting for?

The mechanism to oust Boris and his lightweight chums might be offered to them by the recent intervention of Ms Sturgeon. If the Tory party senses that BoJo is becoming irredeemably toxic to political opinion north of the border (which he probably is already), then fear for the future of the Union would do the trick.

I agree. I think the Establishment will do whatever it thinks necessary to stop Scottish independence.

I wonder if there is a tipping point with the opposition. Before there was a vaccine, it was easy for Starmer to claim that government inaction was costing lives and that stricter measures enacted earlier would have prevented deaths (untrue, but easy to claim). If the public as a whole believe that the vaccine is the way out of this (and I genuinely doubt that many people believe this should go on forever) then as the vaccine rolls out the opposition will make more political capital first by attacking the speed of the rollout and any mistakes made during it and then by turning the argument onto the economy and the inevitable austerity. Whether the public will respond to this by switching to Labour is debatable, but certainly the Conservative vote will fall and that might be enough to win Starmer the next election.

God help us.

I’m not saying it’s a desirable outcome, but if we’re looking for a way out of this mess then understanding the politics being played by the opposition is part of the picture. Starmer doesn’t care about ordinary people, but he does care about how to manipulate them into voting for his party. This means he will disassociate himself from lockdown policy when he can gain more political capital by attacking it than turning it up to eleven.

Personally, I’m not voting for either party next time round – I just hope there’s an electorally credible alternative so we can get them out and launch criminal proceedings against them.

Billionaires fund the Conservative Party.
Billionaires fund the Labour Party.

And that is why both parties care so deeply about the common man.

Left, right; bollocks or shite.

Looking at this predicament we’re currently treading water in, I’d say our only hope of advancement is to tear it up and start again. We’re at where we’re at because Parliament and Her Majesty have not only failed us, they’ve instigated, aided and abetted it.

Oh we’re gonna build back better alright – maybe just not the way they have in mind.

I fear Mr Baker is not the man for the job.
You need a person of principle who can garner some significant support within the party.
Who could that be?
Most of the MP’s are lobby fodder and now presumably physically absent from Westminster so would find it difficult to gather in conspiratorial cabals even if they wanted to.
Boris knows he has a large majority and self interest in MP’s would probably mean perhaps at least 80 would need to ally themselves against him before he took it seriously.
The opposition parties are worse.
Thet’re all fiddling whist the UK burns.
With the school closures the Prime Muppet,his henchmen et al are complicit in institutionalised child abuse.
Not too troubled by a poll in the Spectator – who reads it – but the attitude of MP’s across the board is disgraceful.

Baker is all mouth and trousers. Brady is far more dangerous.

100%

Because they are all cowards and would prefer to be “inside the tent pi$$ing out than outside pi$$ing in!”

Don’t expect any rebellion from them you’ll be disappointed.

Bozo is a hollowed-out shell, a puppet to be manipulated by sociopathic academics on a power trip.

LOL… really? Most Tory (and mostly all the other) MPs are in it for their seat, their career and their money, They couldn’t give a shit about their constituents.

And many of them will get in again in 2024, because people have awfully short memories and would rather eat razor blades than vote for ‘the other lot’. Not to mention the fact that an awful lot of people think MPs are ‘doing their best’ and ‘we need to save our NHS’ and such like.

As for Baker.. he has a long and inglorious track record of not walking the walk that dates back all the way through Brexit.

Tribalism is a problem to an extent, but it manifests more as resistance for people shifting their vote directly between Labour and Conservative than shifting to some other party. That’s why the threat from UKIP and subsequently the Brexit Party worried them so much.

With regard to the next election, I don’t know to what extent people will forgive and forget. This isn’t the Iraq War – we’re not talking about people’s righteous indigation about a policy which has very little impact on them personally. People have lost businesses or jobs; many will have children whose career prospects have been damaged; some will know people who have died from missed treatments or even suicide. These are not things people readily forget, although Labour at least is counting on their part in this being overlooked.

The NHS issue is an interesting one. I have a theory – and it is only a theory – that much of the adoration of the institution comes from the manner in which most people deal with it. Young couples mostly experience it through childbirth and problems with their children – the positive feelings that new parents experience is, in part, reflected onto the NHS. And if the NHS saves a child’s life (even if it wasn’t really at risk) then it becomes beyond criticism. At the other end of the scale, a lot of people’s experience of the NHS is when a relative has palliative care before death. Again, a little bit of sympathy from a nurse and the illusion is created that they are dealing with a caring institution. One of the things that has happened over the last year is that these situations have changed: women are being told they can’t have their partners present during childbirth, old couples are being forced to stay apart as their partners die in hospital. These experiences and others have resulted in people becoming more critical of the NHS. I don’t know what proportion of the public this affects, but the longer it goes on the more people will either have experience of this seeming callousness or know others who have. Add to that the fact that the encroachments on our liberties are being done to “save” the NHS and it’s quite possible that attitudes will have shifted. The party which wins the next election may be the one which calls for root and branch reform, not simply preserving the institution in aspic.

Your theory about how we got to where we are seems sound…. I wish I could be as optimistic as you about where it’ll lead.

‘Clicking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter away the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Waiting for something or someone to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine, staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then ten years have got behind you
No-one told you when yo run, you missed the starting gun.

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it’s sinking
Racing behind to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that seem to come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.

The time is gone, the song is over, thought I’d something more to say.’

Time, Pink Floyd; accompanied my teenage years.

Great song. One correction: verse two line three: “and then one day *you find* ten years have got behind you”.

Clicking is an interesting slip on ticking.
Time is a parameter of the human condition or rather the human conditioning.
The timeless is denied awareness by a narrative continuity dictate.
A lead role in a cage? to quote ‘wish you were here’.
Welcome to the Machine. There’s a trove of good lines in their work because they have in our own milieu explored and reflected something of what it is to be human – as both consciousness and world.

I might have missed any comment regarding the changes by the WHO on PCR Tests> this on the day Biden was sworn into office:
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

when the German Fauci, Drosten was asked he replied that the WHO was giving out guidance for the 3rd world countries who had insufficient testing and needed help….

However this is an important change as numbers are now (with US back firmly a WHO paying member) drop fast (a lockdown and measures taken success)
Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

Ive just uploaded a 4min highlights video of Professor Russell Viner’s evidence to the select committee about lockdown effects on children’s mental health (see Telegraph article above “More children admitted to hospital for mental health than medical reasons”) here – https://youtu.be/MwN8CUBL86I

I hope this isn’t the shape of things to come for children’s education.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/23/after-covid-will-digital-learning-be-the-new-normal

Teachers – well, the apparent majority who hate children and work – would love it:

“Others too believe the shift will be permanent. “Covid has given an impetus to schools to adopt, roll out and use more of the functionality of edtech tools,” says Hannah Owen, of the Nesta innovation foundation. “It’s likely, and optimal, that we’ll move to blended models, where remote and digital platforms support in-person classroom teaching, and contribute to minimising teacher workload.”’

Minimising teacher workload.Yeah.The ultimate goal of all education.

It’s amusing to see the Grauniad trying to square the circle. Lockdown tyranny is good by definition, but electronic pseudo-education hits the poor harder than the rich, oh dear, we have to pretend to worry about that.

Will there be any children to teach?

Who wants to bring children into such a world?

Genetic Control?

I suppose these ‘teachers’ are too stupid to work out that nobody is going to pay them forever to sunbathe in their gardens. most of them will soon be on the scrapheap – where they belong

Perhaps the stupid is a narrative identity that can interpret events as moving society in the right direction – as a result of the greenwashing and cancel agendas.
Narrative identities are nurtured, profiled and targeted as data inputs to an almost real time modelling system of control.
Systemic suppression of threat so as to save the system that interprets Life as threat, so as to make us safe.

Really no need for schools or teachers at all as it can all be run centrally online from wherever

There are so many gaps in this online learning concept and the biggest one is, to learn something, someone or something has to teach it. Who is going to teach the child how to add, multiply or read? Without a teacher there is no learning. I speak from experience in the lack of education my 12 year grandson has at this moment. I’m not a teacher and I have no way in contacting his teachers, he has been sent work via emails once in three weeks and I don’t understand some of the maths, nor does my grandson, with no access to his maths teacher, who teaches him? Answer no one.

If there is a survival need, the kids will develop their own ways of learning.
That a mass of skilled workers are largely no longer required is part of robotic developments. Workers can be imported or indeed workplaces re locate to anywhere. What to do with all of Kissinger’s ‘useless eaters’?

I am more concerned with the core learning of relational integrity.
If love is not modelled (taught) and learned (inducted), then an arrested development may be trained to perform tasks but will know not what they do because they know not who they are.

Just a short translation today. No attempt to replicate rhyme or scansion. Just meaning and atmosphere.

Abschied von England
by Ingeborg Bachmann

Ich habe deinen Boden kaum betreten,
schweigsames Land, kaum einen Stein berührt,
ich war von deinem Himmel so hoch gehoben,
so in Wolken, Dunst und in noch Ferneres gestellt,
daß ich dich schon verließ,
als ich vor Anker ging.

Du hast meine Augen geschlossen
mit Meerhauch und Eichenblatt,
von meinen Tränen begossen,
hieltst du die Gräser satt;
aus meinen Träumen gelöst,
wagten sich Sonnen heran,
doch alles war wieder fort,
wenn dein Tag begann.
Alles blieb ungesagt.

Durch die Straßen flatterten die großen grauen Vögel
und wiesen mich aus.
War ich je hier?

Ich wollte nicht gesehen werden.

Meine Augen sind offen.
Meerhauch und Eichenblatt?
Unter den Schlangen des Meers
seh ich, an deiner Statt,
das Land meiner Seele erliegen.

Ich habe seinen Boden nie betreten.

*

Farewell to England

I scarcely trod your ground,
silent land, scarcely touched a stone,
so high was I upraised by your sky,
so transported into clouds, mist and still more distant things,
that I was already leaving you
as I dropped anchor.

You closed my eyes
with sea air and oak leaf,
watered by my tears,
you nourished the grass;
set free from my dreams,
suns ventured forth,
but everything was gone again,
when your day began.
Everything remained unsaid.

Through the streets flapped the great, grey birds
and sent me away.
Was I ever here?

I did not want to be seen.

My eyes are open.
Sea air and oak leaf?
Among the serpents of the sea
I see, in your place,
the land of my soul succumb.

I have never trodden its ground.

We have twice worked as structural/civil engineers with an architect who won the King of Prussia Gold medal awarded by the Ecclesiastical Architects and Surveyors Association for excellence in conservation of churches. He instituted the medal after enjoying visiting English country churches on trips to visit his aunt in his yacht.

Thanks for all these translations, get well!

Or, in Colloquial Scottish: “Johnnie, I hardly knew ye”.

The Government blaming everyone campaign (the eyes one) is truly evil. Most covid transmission takes place in hospitals, workplaces, supermarkets on public transport and between members of the same household who most likely caught it at work.

If people don’t go out mental illness soars as well as a decline in strength and mobility. A sure way to totally overwhelm the NHS and store up problems for years ahead.

I highly doubt that anyone is catching it at the supermarket. Unless they’re having a secret orgy in the gluten free aisle.

it’s not about a virus, public health, or even saving the bloody NHS. as soon as you get that, a lot of stuff which made no sense before just falls into place

What do you really mean by covid transmission???

Whats with this idea of NHS as susceptibility to ‘overwhelm’?
It’s the same idea that was fed to us as lacking immunity to a novel ‘something’.
WHO told you you were naked? – said the Lord. (This is your invitation to actually ask your OWN question and receive an answer that meets You).

Instead of responding to the propaganda, why not choose NOT to run a virus on your own operating system?

From the VERY FIRST – guilt and fear has grabbed the minds of the many to set off an ant’s ness in chaos.
ANSWER: Do not let anything run in your mind (or as if your mind) from a guilt fear or hate reaction.

IF the process in play is of releasing all that truly has no belonging in your mind as recognised and accepted in your heart, then you are refining and compressing to an essence or seed from which a new period of growth in creative expansion can unfold.

The old invested identity shall not stand because it is inherently conflicted and no matter how close to 100% a collectivised fear can temporarily reach, it remains a control, a coercion, a denial set over wholeness.
The tower of babel collapsed not just as a ‘tower’ but as a coherent movement, purpose or consciousness. learning to live the conditions that truly support life is an alignment within Life – not set apart and over it – like a computer model of machine thinking.

As if they’d care. No doubt there is a good medical support network for the apparatchiks. Why would they worry about the great unwashed if they’re comfortable and cared for, with the promise of security and wealth in the future.
That’s how it seems, anyway.

So Matt Hancock surreptitiously signs the death warrants of thousands of small businesses, with no parliamentary scrutiny and barely a squeak from the opposition benches. This is the same man who just a week ago was pictured smiling in a public park, playing rugby with his son as if he didn’t have a care in the world.

Wake the f**k up, people. These are your oppressors, not your saviours. There is no cavalry coming in the form of vaccines or warmer weather. This is totalitarianism. Your continued conformity is ENDING LIVES, not saving them. You can wash your hands as many times as you want – the bloodstains will never come out.

I hope every hospitality venue from Carlisle to Canterbury opens up this weekend. We need to end this farce once and for all.

The problem is that the more time people spent locked up, the more propaganda they hear – because what else is there to do? – the more fearful they become because they don’t experience the real physical world.

It’s a self-reinforcing loop. More lockdowns more fear more lockdowns more fear until the country ends up being North Korea with everyone thoroughly dehumanised, demoralised and brainwashed.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the lunatic QAnon right was able to build sufficient support to storm the Capitol earlier this month, precisely because lockdowns were causing people to spend almost all their free time online.

Jeez, that is one terrible take.

My point is that without lockdowns they’d probably have things like jobs, family and friends to keep them from getting overly radicalized.

You don’t see the gov-media as radicalising the population at large?
They call it ‘normalise’ its out of the kgb disinfo playbook.

Radical can mean from the root.
But often is used to mean fundamentally at variance, with social norms.
If society is normed to insane premise maybe sanity calls from the root, but this means walking out of a social ‘identity’.

While Q can be seen as a way to repackage all and any doubt in Trump as saviour, the antifa were let in to the Capital.
You are being played and while you enjoy the ride you will sign up for more.
Nothing personal – for this applies to everyone who wants to believe their own ‘narrative identity’.
That we are free to give attention to what we accept and choose to value is our inalienable right. That we can give this freedom to ‘idols’ or ‘ideals’ is the nature of mind-control or mind-capture.

Well said! The current situation is an utter shambles. I cannot believe that people refuse to acknowledge the damage being caused by this fiasco. It needs to end RIGHT NOW!

But they do refuse to acknowledge it. Came across a couple on a walk yesterday. Although they ‘know how hard it is’ for some people, this is a ‘great opportunity’ to change the way things are done, and good for opportunities for environmental change blah blah blah. Completely taken in by the greens. What a crock.

useful idiots

The slow motion coup rumbles on.Lockdown to the middle of summer.Travellers quarantined for 2 weeks which amounts to closing the borders.
When will the majority wake up,this is never going to end unless enough of us say so.

I left the UK legally in December now I am threatened with being detained at my expense upon return. I shall need a negetative test before flight. Is this not imprisonment without trial?
No doubt the ‘hoteliers’ will be rubbing their sticky hands.

Hotels have been some of the worst hit sectors in all of this.The only ones still open and functioning are the ones housing asylum seekers.
This measure may have had some merit if you were trying to keep out a virus but it’s already endemic.
This measure is to finish off the aviation and tourism industry

The ones housing asylum seekers and the homeless are not only functioning, but thriving; the hotel my father works at has never made more money than it has since March. Only the beneficiaries of council largesse are going to survive.

This measure is to finish off the aviation and tourism industry

Why? Climate change?

Incidentally I have noticed that some who criticize the Government for not locking down or closing the borders earlier accuse them of being “in the pocket of the aviation industry”…

In the pocket of the aviation industry? Please.

Have these people seen any recent quarterly financial results from the industry?

I’ve long said this. If the greens have their way, there will be a return to the bad old days where travel was only the preserve of the super-rich, politicians, celebrities and royals. While the rest of us have to make do with Blackpool and Bognor Regis.

The green captured don’t have a way of any real choice but are being had by corporate stakeholders. A love of life and nature has been subverted and weaponised as an anti life agenda.
I see some signs of this recognition growing but the core beliefs in AGW – and human guilt agenda remain the backdrop to ‘justice warrior’. Nothing like fear, hate and evil to bolster a shaky identity.

Not the Greens. Those who pull their strings.

Obeying Greta, Klaus, Owen Jones&co….

I have written to my MP and questioned quarantine hotels idea. It is insane and against human rights. I told my MP that if I am forced into one I would go on hunger strike and get Talkradio to report it. Awaiting his reply.

A negative result is really only valid at the moment of testing. It’s like saying ” I’m driving on a car trip at the weekend, so I’ll take a breathalyser test on Friday to make sure I’m fit to drive.”

The manipulation of language is disgusting.

Hotel quarantine.

I know a few people who have experienced this going to Asia. It is incarceration in solitary confinement. They literally saw no one for the two weeks. Food would be left outside their door and only when they received a ring on the phone could they open their door to collect the food. Armed guards on every floor.

What are we becoming.

Notably even Australia and New Zealand didn’t introduce hotel quarantine for returning residents (no-one else was allowed in at all of course) until April, because they had to wait for the hotels to empty out before they could be repurposed.

(Fortunately for them, their isolated location and ban on non-resident arrivals had kept imported cases down up to that point.)

The need to empty out hotels before hotel quarantine can properly be implemented is probably why Taiwan and South Korea resorted to the smartphone surveillance app approach to quarantining incomers.

Didn’t see your post before. I have written another below. My daughter, and hundreds like her are students in the US on sports scholarships. I am terrified for her. She won’t cope with this. I can’t cope with it. It means she can’t come home for spring break or Christmas at all. I have written to my MP but he is a zealot. I don’t know who to turn to.

You turn to yourself. What should you do? What’s right, I would either go out and see them. Get a pay as you go mobile registered to a fake name and address and use this to go and when I get home I would just escape from the hotel and disobey the rules and they would be calling a phone I don’t own. Or I would let them come home and find a way to get them out the hotel. If this was my daughter NOTHING would stop me from seeing them. You KNOW the rules are wrong and fraudulent so don’t follow them.

They will have armed guards. I am a retired woman. I can’t break her out of prison.

The money needs to run out first giving way to mass job losses and poverty.

The ‘money’ is generated by fraud.
While lubrication is required it will be applied.
As the new system is in place it mutates.

‘……the difference between a prediction of 2700 to the reality of 47 is embarrassing to say the least, and shows why the Government must not hand over total policy control to the scientists who are clearly not infallible with their predictions.” Esther McVey

The entire weird out in a nutshell

Just like:

‘Update on Kent lorry situation: 15,526 Coronavirus tests now carried out. Just 36 positive results’ Grant Shapps

I’ll have another look at the amazingly dull, lightweight ‘Antivirus’ website but my immediate reaction still stands:

Exactly how dumb are these people?

“ Exactly how dumb are these people? ”

How dumb would most people be with £millions at stake?

Another early start. 3 hours work before homeschooling. At least I have a job.

On the above

“ A senior Government source cautioned that although the data was starting to show signs of a slowing of infections, rates were not falling nearly as sharply as had been expected. The source said the picture had become “more pessimistic” over the past week about the Government’s ability to ease any measures in the short term.”

infections are dropping faster than they did after March/April spike. They are only looking at Imperial discredited REACT-1 study I expect

I despaired when I heard this quote, it was as if King Canute’s people were still not convinced that he could not hold back the tide and so they all stood with him and glared at the tide until it swept over and drowned them all.
It seems to me that every year one or more coronaviruses roam about the damp chilly UK in the winter time and cause things like cold and flu. This year we have the SARS-Cov2 virus causing the covid cold. For years the UK had a Common Cold unit but we never controlled the common cold, we have been trying flu vaccines for a few years with limited success. Why do we now think that infection rates should go down because of our actions? They will go down when they are ready most likely with the weather, lockdowns, facemasks and hand wringing are not going to do it.

Yes, I think Imperial has taken over – at least in philosophy. SAGE seem to not look at data that doesn’t agree with Imperials modelling.

All the evidence seems to show that R is unaffected by lockdown

I wouldn’t say that, given that Sweden is above the other countries for much of that graph (and that Spain — the country with the harshest lockdown in Europe — got its R numbers very low by the summer), but it does show suggest that seasonality was the main thing bringing down cases in the spring.

Incidentally does anyone here think that Spain’s especially harsh lockdown may have been driven by an attempt to save at least some of the summer tourist season?

1 – The numbers are all coming down similarly. I would swap our graph on the above for Sweden’s. The removal of human rights and destruction of society gave us something that is indistinguishable from Sweden (given the error bars aren’t on the graph). Our lockdown should have given a step change on 23rd. It didn’t and lockdown had no noticeable effect

2 – I don’t believe it was driven by seasonality. The season does not change in that way across those countries. All countries R hitting 1.0 within days of each other, from Sweden to Italy. I think it was an effect of partial herd immunity

Agree with everything you say here. In particular the assertion that seasonality led to the fall off in April is wrong. The plot of R is classic Gompertz and the result of partial herd immunity.

The issues around Sweden are known and have been mentioned on this site already. Does the 77th not teach its members to research?

For your benefit:

• Sweden has larger care homes and a higher proportion of elderly in such care homes
• Sweden has taken in a significant number of Somali migrants and their death rates were higher – likely due to Vitamin D deficiency
• Sweden had a lighter death rate in the 2018/19 flu season, leaving more eldery alive than its neighbours.

Taking these factors into account, Sweden is on a par with Norway/Denmark. Therefore the question is why is Finland better than Sweden/Norway/Denmark?

In 2003, the Finnish Government mandated the fortification of certain foods for human consumption with Vitamin D. They have had 17 years of this to build up protection.

I already knew about those reasons why Sweden did worse than the rest of Scandinavia. I’d also suggest though that Scandinavian cultures are quite socially-distanced even in normal times, and that’s another reason why Somali immigrants (who didn’t share that culture) were disproportionately hit.

Sadly sage = big pharma.

Yes, you’ve nailed it there. We are dealing with King Canute logic here.

The biggest failure by the decision makers (politicians and the science industry) is this ridiculous medieval belief (amplified and reinforced by conflicts of interest and hysteria and group think) that viral transmission can be stopped by these interventions you mention.

This is a seasonal virus and it goes away as the seasons change in exactly the same way that the tide goes out through natural forces.

Of course you need to look at the real science based on proper analysis using the scientific method (not to be confused with the conflicted science industry), but as soon as you do you realise that the interventions don’t work.

Cnut, please get the spelling of the king’s name right! Imagine if someone wrote Ctun or Ctnu???

I guess people started spelling it “Canute” because they were trying to replicate how it’s pronounced.

I imagine Zippy’s version of those four letters would make George blush.

So what your saying is; lockdowns don’t fucking work? Well who would have thunk? Despite terrifying the population, closing down schools, shutting all social meeting places and locking the healthy under house arrest the infections did not fall. So there can only be two reasons.

1. Lockdowns do nothing to prevent the spread.

2. The PCR test is giving out false positives and cannot be relied upon.

Which one do ya wanna choose? Oh you want to make up your own reason which is non compliance of your laws? Well I can show scientifically proven papers to back up my two reasons. What have you got? Oh Karen has seen people down the supermarket not wearing a mask and Sadiq has seen people over the park walking their dogs, the bastards!

‘…. the failure of the lockdown sceptics’ movement to achieve any penetration with the wider public.’ (Reference above)

Personal observation divides the adult population broadly into two main categories:

Small business self employed: overwhelmingly sceptical….roughly 16 million…you don’t see them in supermarkets and they don’t engage in surveys because they are too busy making ends meet

Public sector employees and retired public sector employees: overwhelmingly lockdown zealots…..roughly 16.5 million……

I don’t see that as a failure.

The question for the government: which of the above voted you into power?

No wonder the May elections are going to be delayed…..again…….

you don’t see them in supermarkets

Wouldn’t the real lockdown zealots not be found in supermarkets either, because they’d be getting all their shopping delivered to their homes?

You haven’t got the hang of this at all.

The real lockdown zealot want others locked down but not themselves so they can get out and about correcting people on their mask wearing, social distancing, informing the Police of the activities of their neighbours and so on……

I dedicate today’s board to those fearless warriors of truth and decency; those brave, indefatigable souls who strive for justice and are relentless in their pursuit of ultimate safety for all: THE SNITCHER.

Week 44 in the Big Brother society:

LIberty: yep, still denied;
Freedom: yep, still denied;
Education: not on your nelly.

Still think this is about a virus?

=========================

This is what I think has happened over the past few months, during which we have noticed several people taking photos of our blackboards:

Snitch: “Hello, is that the Environmental Health?”
EHO: “Yes, what have you got?”
Snitch: “Taken a photo, surely we’ve got them now?”
EHO: “Nah, can’t get ’em on that”

Next Day

Snitch: “How about this, surely this will do for them?”
EHO: “Nah, sarcasm hasn’t been criminalised yet, so no can do”

Following day

Snitch: “How about this?”
EHO [chokes on biscuit] “Now you’re talking, they’ve mentioned the word ‘bench'”

EHO: “Deploy all units, deploy all units. Mobilise the drudge squad; fire up the printer and the laminator, retrieve the cable ties from the stationery cupboard, GO, GO GO, we’ve got the bastards”

EHO: “You mentioned bench!”
You: “Yes I did”
EHO: “So you admit it! We’ve got you bang to rights!”
You: “I actually said ‘bench press’. I was talking about an exercise regime”.
EHO: “pffffffft….” [sound of deflating balloon careering off into the distance]

When Hancockupthecountry made his statements, I thought that it was likely that restrictions would be eased in around June/July. So my unfortunate bet will be that they will be eased in July and then more in September.

Which year? 2021? The lockdowns are forever! Wake up!

My MP is in the CRG. I’ve been asking him for the metrics of when restrictions will be lifted. He has been trying to get it out of the government – but the fact is they don’t have one. They are winging it.

Infections are falling rapidly – faster than April 2020

Pressure on NHS will be lifting over the next few weeks – admissions been dropping for a few days

CRG need to threaten Boris with a leadership election if we don’t at least have a plan

In Churchill’s war diaries he says that up to a point we had only had defeats and then after that point only victories. He was close to being removed at that point and if he had have been then the victories would have been someone else’s and he’d go down as a terrible prime minister. We need the same pressure applied to Johnson

I am confident that a credible threat of triggering a leadership contest could force Boris Johnson into a U-turn. The Covid Recovery Group have far more MPs than necessary. If Harper or Baker or Brady were to inform Number Ten that the letters are pouring in and the threshold is about to be met, I sure Johnson would be prepared to bow to any demands. Boris might like to compare himself to Churchill, but that’s mere fantasy.

Apart from public sentiment shifting away from lockdown – which I don’t really see happening (lets see what Spring brings), I think the 1922 committee is the main hope.

I think we should apply pressure to our MPs. Demand they demand a get out timetable with ‘actionable metrics’. If Johnson can’t supply it then someone else will. This is more important than his career.

This summer will be the time the govt needs to outline its cost benefit and come up with a pandemic plan (or just retrieve the last one from the bin). We can’t let them say they don’t have time or we’ll be in lockdown by autumn

It’s a very rational comment, Steve. But you could have written it word for word last Spring. It’s rinse and repeat.

We know the regime can spin out hope and piss away a year easily.

yes, I think I did write it last spring! This is the problem. I expect I also wrote ‘with the coming of summer, the infection in retreat, people will demand an end to the restrictions and a promise it wont happen again’ etc. and yet here we are

but still, the same solutions apply then as now. have a proper, rational pandemic plan – the one they binned was fine

That depends on level of support for axing Bojo. If he’s feeling confident then he faces them down, and the eventual vote to remove him collapses below the number who sent letters. Bojo triumphant, and safe for a full year.

I commented above that I see the most likely mechanism for BoJo’s downfall will be unrelated to Covid. The end will come once the Tory party acknowledges just how toxic he has become north of the border. (Now that the Brexit arguments are over, I expect Ruth Davidson to make a comeback into front line politics, but Johnson would have to go first.)

I foresee Johnson’s reign being commemorated with novelty toilets in his deserving image. Nightclubs and bars may go one further and dedicate their urinals etc to the whole cabinet and SAGE.

I’ve yet to figure out where POTUS will put the one we send him/her/they.

the very idea of shitting on that man’s face, is disturbing and satisfying in equal measure.

They are one set of clowns and muppets to love to hate.
The course will be held by hook and by crook, to bring the herd ‘safely’ under control. Churchill practiced his vanity for mirrors before working the crowd. Boris is no less groomed but to work todays crowd. The projection of image required for political manipulation in our times is profiled and targeted to the psychological manipulations of the times.

Amazing how wars can be made to serve so many world and mind shaping functions.

This is also a war but along lines that most cannot recognise – but then nor were the conventional wars what was mainstreamed to the fodder.

All wars are bankers wars.
You can also say that with financial backing no war can sustain itself.
This covid or climate or cancel war is backed by huge financial interests.
It doesn’t destroy their ‘economy’ but consolidates more to their possession and control.

The advantage of war for the banksters is that it allows them some control over the timing of the destruction, sufficient for them to preserve theirs at the expense of everyone else. Then it is simply a matter of selling to both sides.

And to shape the post war world….
War bankrupts nations. Not Banks and their invested tentacles of influence.

“They are winging it”.

Of course they are. That is one of the reasons for the use of the 1984 Health Act. Providing the situation is assessed every 3-4 weeks, they can go on forever as long as the come up with some bs that satisfies ‘significant and imminent threat’ part of the legislation.

With project management there is view that you need a range of personality types, operating in balance to develop and complete a project. One theory puts forward 9 key personality types that you need on a complex project, like UK coronavirus response. Management theory is both annoying and useful in equal measure but please bear with me!

I looked at the Remit for the SAGE group who are a major player in this hoo-haa;
The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) provides scientific and technical advice to support government decision makers during emergencies.

So SAGE might make up 1 or 2 of the personality types you need on this project but where are the rest? who are the Government Decision makers? who is the completer/finisher? who is the free thinker? who is the people oriented coordinator? To my mind this whole pantomime now looks like a classic case study in failed project management with no apparent ability or idea of how to bring the project to a satisfactory conclusion.

And they missed what we all, in project management, know is an option that should always be considered – do nothing. Save your blood and treasure and consider would you be any worse off at the end? This government was severely infected by the must-be-seen-to-be-doing-something bug and has catastrophically failed. They won’t ever let go now though as their arses are truly on the line. Much worse than wasting a few billion on a failed IT project, they have actually killed people.

Their arses ARE on the line. And their necks.

I don’t think so – they are untouchable!

Not for long.

yes. they should have done nothing until the cost/benefit had been made

I accept the case they didn’t have time in March because they panicked and needed to flatten the curve or whatever. But straight after that they should have put every effort into the cost benefit analysis. I suspect (eat out to help out) they thought it was done and dusted

I accept the case they didn’t have time in March

They were informed about the virus at the beginning of January 2020 by the World Health Organisation. They decided not to secure the borders, ie, to import the virus.

They are just good little puppets.

Seeing as the core ‘nudge’ is to ACT NOW OR ELSE! I don’t think they were ever managing any other other project. But there will be useful idiots who are used as fronts and puppets, who only need to know what their ‘profiled personality’ wants to know.

It’s interesting that you do see a mix of personality types on lockdown skeptics, and that is what makes the discussions useful.

There are the free thinkers, who don’t want to look at the data analyses at all but can see past the Government propaganda and official explanations, and engage readily with different ideas.

And they get helped out by those doing the data analyses who can show that alternate ideas are in fact the reality on proper analysis.

who is this fucking sage anyway? I don’t remember anyone voting for them. they can all fuck off

You are probably referring to Belbin’s Team Role Theory which recognises 9 separate roles, 3 Cerebral, 3 Action and 3 People. These roles relate to behaviours, not personality.

Well the gist is that different people offer different perspectives that grow a consciousness greater than the sum of its parts.
I’m sure there are innumerable theories to invoke for anything. If it serves you well why not use it.

I see a reintegrative or healing process to a fragmentation and incoherence that has become ‘normalised’ as behavioural response to its own self-conditioning action and reaction. Willingness to see the same situation with new eyes, is the release of the persistence of what is recognised to not only not work, and never work, but actively undermine or prevent anything truly working – except as a persistence of the habit to its logical conclusion.

In the sense I am using workability, it is unarguable, that is to say one can choose not to accept or see destruction, but the fact operates regardless.
The capacity to see destruction as a means of creation as a private agenda set over reality, is the dissociating or fragmenting lure of power to a sense of self-lack running a hole in place of wholeness.

The prime requirement for getting to the top in Western governments is amenablitity to being bought and committment to staying bought. Epitomised by Tory Bliar.

Thanks for raising this – I have been thinking this myself because IIRC the British in WW2 had a sort of ‘devil’s advocate’ group which pointed out all the flaws in British planning and tactics. Germany by contrast did not have one because it was taboo for Germans to admit their plans might be wrong or flawed. I wonder if the British government has such a group for the Great War on Covid? I highly doubt it.

Dolores Cahill on vaccines (15 mins)

Interview with Prof. Dolores Cahill – YouTube

Message for the reader with a mother in hospital…. GO to the hospital and INSIST on seeing your mother. Do not take no for an answer. No matter what they say, keep saying, “I want to see my mother!” Just keep saying it. Don’t argue with them. Just plead. I had to do this when a loved one was in hospital. Just do it. It is inhumane, a breach of human rights and unspeakably cruel not to let you see your mother. She has a right to have someone advocate for her. You may need to get her discharged and taken to a different hospital. I had to do that, too. It was very dramatic but – potentially – life saving. Don’t back down. My heart is breaking for you!

Having worked closely with elderly people in hospital I have seen more than enough poor care and the devaluing of our most vulnerable. The fact these issues have occurred when families were involved and visiting caused me to consider what it was like for people with no one to advocate for them. Fully concur with civilians post.

OF COURSE they don’t want relatives in there poking around. If you’re not there, their work is far less scrutinised.

I hate the NHS and I hate the spineless self-serving people working in there.

The NHS workers coming out are minute in number. The majority are happy with the reduced workload (for most of them), the reduced scrutiny. The ones that aren’t and are quiet are just spineless. I don’t see too many of them coming out complaining about the horrific ads.

1.5 million employees. 200 billion pound budget. Can’t deal with a few thousand extra patients.

Screw them all.

Well the thought has certainly crossed my mind that there would be advantages to the NHS going down the swanee – given there are so many Lockdown Zealots/wimps working for them. Then we have a much bigger private sector/cheaper private health care insurance – and they remember that “He/she that pays the piper calls the tune”. Of course we are all paying for the NHS anyway – but because it’s not coming directly from us personally – many NHS employees forget that “we pay – so we say”. But if we were paying directly – they would have to darn well remember that they are OUR employees and do as we require.

The intent is to convert to NHS to a (highly profitable) US-style system, which costs nearly 3 times the OECD average per person for a worse outcome (extremely wealthy excluded). It is a bureaucratic nightmare that makes the NHS seem quite rational.

We already have the £54,000 a year diversity manager and the £41,000 a year doctor.

My brother got taken in last night with a bleed on the brain and had surgery. No visitors allowed. He’s all alone.

This is simply heartless and cruel. I hope your brother recovers soon and can leave his prison and get home.

Sorry to hear about your brother and hope he recovers soon.

Disregard for the elderly and their families is nothing new. My mother was taken to hospital with sepsis six years ago when she was 89 and wasn’t expected to survive. The doctor who dealt with her told us to disregard visiting hours and visit whenever, and for as long as, we wanted. The visiting time bell went at the first visit and the nurses told my brother and me that we had to leave. We explained what the doctor had said and received tuts and frowns in response, completely uncaring about our mother’s precarious state of health. Thereafter they used to scowl at us at every visit … as we could well see how little they contributed to the wellbeing of their patients. In spite of the hospital’s very concerted efforts to finish her off, mother lived for another five years.

My 88 year old FIL was taken to hospital in central London about 15 months ago for a precautionary check up following a fall at home. His wife couldn’t accompany him to hospital as it was the middle of the night and she has her own mobility problems. The paramedics promised that the hospital would keep her informed of progress etc. After two days she had heard nothing and phoned the hospital switchboard. They put her through to the ward he was recorded to be on. The ward denied he was there and put her on to another number. Eventually she ended up talking to the original ward where they did ‘find’ him after all.

They were keeping him in because there were concerns about his blood pressure medication. After ten days of chasing up the hospital for daily updates, MIL managed to visit with one of her sons. The ward nurses looked extremely taken aback as they “didn’t realise he had a wife”. [They] “thought he lived on his own.” Presumably no one thought to ask him about family. I should add that he does not suffer from dementia. I think if they had bothered to find out, or have better ward communications, he would have been allowed home after 24 hours and simply advised to see his GP.

Winter of Discontent: Brits Face Power Rationing as Wind Power Output Collapses (again and again)
by stopthesethings
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/01/25/winter-of-discontent-brits-face-power-rationing-as-wind-power-output-collapses-again-and-again/

Brits expecting their thousands of wind turbines to deliver the goods this winter have been disappointed, yet again. While Boris Johnson peddles his delusional plan to run the UK entirely on breezes and bluster, the typical (and wholly expected) collapse in wind power output across Britain this winter provides a taste of things to come. […]

If you don’t have your own solar panels, buy a diesel generator. If everybody did this, the government would crap it.

I already did, last April
I have no confidence in anything anymore

Dear children,

(Those of you who managed to learn how to read and write)

Goodbye to the happiest days of your lives.

School’s out for summer. School’s out for ever. School’s been blown to pieces.

Dear children, granny screwed up your life for her’s!

Dear children, those purporting to represent granny, screwed up your life and hers in the pretence it was protecting hers

And all the while, protected their own.

Quite – I don’t recall Granny being asked if she wanted this

more like it

don’t scapegoat the grannies, they had nothing to do with this atrocity

Didn’t they though?

Are we sure there isn’t a strong correlation between the mean age of a population and lockdown savagery?

Young populations are just getting on with life because thats what those constituencies want.

The places with more late middle aged and older people want to be protected from the killer virus from Wuhan.

Enough with these generalisations!
I’m so fed up with boomers this, all old people that – just STOP IT.
Stewart – this is not a dig at you personally, don’t be offended.
I’m just another thoroughly pissed off old person.

In my area there are many young people and teens wearing muzzles. I am retired and refuse to wear one and abhor this tyranny. Many older people agree. The very old with dementia are being used as scapegoats. I certainly don’t want protecting from a flu no worse than many I’ve lived through. The elderly are being murdered.

Maybe you can incorporate the last sentence into a song?

It could be a hit!

A possibly picky point regarding the piece from the doctor:

“ – Starts out by not pulling any punches about how badly Britain has done mortality-wise. ”

It depends what one means by badly. I suppose it could support our case in so far as it shows that lockdowns don’t save lives. But I’m uneasy about starting with such a statement, as it seems overly defensive, and implies it would have been possible to “do better”.

Should be rephrased as “Start out by not pulling any punches about how remarkably well Britain has done in misattributing deaths from all causes to covid.”

If the NHS is to be piratised, getting rid of unprofitable chronic cases makes sense (if you are a psychopath).

The ONS figures monthly figures point to a surprisingly high excess death rate for the month of December 2020 – they say there were 52,676 deaths in December 2020, this was 8,390 more deaths than in December 2019 and 10,594 deaths more than the five-year average (2015 to 2019). It appears they need further investigation.

Well, unless the weekly figures they have published are incorrect, it appears they have used the weekly figures for Christmas week to calculate the monthly figures. They have warned about the accuracy of these figures because of bank holiday reporting, as they include around 5 days’ deaths for the 2015-2019 average, but 6 days for 2020.  Not only that but they have extended these figures over a 9 day period, so the headline level of deaths for the average of 2015-2019 is not comparable to the 2020 figures by around 2,045 deaths. A further effect of this is that they have 4 days at the correct rate at the beginning of December in 2020, compared to one day for the previous years’ average. This makes a further difference of 957. Now adjusting for population size and age (their equivalent is to look at the Age Adjusted Mortality Rate AAMR) you have to increase the prior years’ average by 2502, so the excess deaths in December are 5090 for the whole month, or 1,150 per week.

Now, looking at the under 75s, they represent 15% of the deaths from COVID, or 172 people per week.

So the government on 4 January locked up about 54 million people under 75 in England and Wales, including stopping children going to school, to prevent 172 deaths which probably won’t be prevented anyway.

Is that proportional ? Is that just ? Is it democratic ? Is it even sane ?

Or is it stupid, ignorant, and a revolting way to treat its citizens in a supposedly democratic country ?

Why are all the people with brains and balls here, and not in government or advising government?

Easy. We’re not ‘yes’ people. I didn’t last very long in the corporate world for that very reason. I told the truth and they didn’t like it.

Exactly! Just back from a walk and bumped into an old friend who I have always thought of as highly intelligent, compassionate… and centre-left liberal. Started talking about the current situation and I expressed my views about appalling current situation and how lockdowns and masks are unethical and damaging. He says, “but what about all the people dying?” I say, “what about them? Most were very unwell or very old but we’re given a covid test so the government could say they died of covid… what about the fact that all other cause mortality has plummeted? Why are people no longer dying of cancer and pneumonia?” He seemed to think about it and we agreed that Whitty, Vallance, Hancock seem lost upstream without a paddle and making panic policies to save their skins. Then he said, “But the people I really hate are the likes of Laurence Fox and Toby Young. They’re dividing the country. It’s all about them.” I said, “I’ve never liked them in the past, but the most important life lesson I’ve had through this crisis is not to discount what someone is saying just because I don’t like them, or just because I’ve disagreed with most of what they’ve said in the past. I have loudly defended Laurence and Toby against the spiteful journalists trying to smear them, and I will do everything I can to help all the other voices trying to speak truth to power, and will continue to do so. If we don’t have the humility to agree with those we usually dislike and disagree with, and disagree with those we usually like and agree with, we have forfeited our autonomous human minds and we may as well be turned into cyborgs that do the bidding of our leader.”

I think he listened.

Keep talking to people when and where you can. This is all we can do. You change the world one person at a time.

Stay strong. Stay sane.

Because we have a tendency to speak the unspeakable and think the unthinkable. Hence why I didn’t last as a teacher, I was perceived to be a malcontent.

“We all got balls an’ brains/ But some’s got balls an’ chains”…..Gouldman/Godley/Creme.

This is the PHE daily all cause mortality. Nothing out of the ordinary until last week in December. But the dates of death come from a model from previous years. ie there might be some misattribution of the actual dates of death – so it might change over subsequent reports

here

This is the plot of monthly age standardised mortality (i.e adjusted for population size and age structure) for England for the past 20 years based on ONS data.

This monthly data goes up to December 2020, and I’m guessing that January will take us somewhere around the January 2018 figure (which was the peak for the 2017/2018 flu season). And that is before you adjust in 2021 for all the unnecessary indirect lockdown deaths.

So looks like typical winter seasonal mortality (although a relatively bad one).

Seeing all 20 years on there puts things in context for me

the plan is that as the ‘all-cause mortality’ numbers do actually start to go up, and the age of the dying comes down, on account of the lockdown deaths [untreated cancers, suicides, obesity related diseases, general immunosuppression, etc, etc,] and the vaccine deaths [don’t get me started] the well-primed population will have their hysteria whipped up to new and terrifying levels – this is the mutation of the Deadly Killer Lurgy, this is the work of all those evil ‘covid deniers’ who are refusing to get vaccinated….. so drearily predictable, why can so few see through it?

If my memory serves me correctly the highest number of weekly deaths from all causes in January 2018 was 15,050.

The highest weekly figure this year so far (England and Wales) was 17,750. The next weekly figure I’m sure will be higher. So I think this winter’s spike could be more in line with 2002.

Please keep us informed. It is a very useful graph.

Every time I hear the term excess deaths I want to scream.

This is just another manipulation of language and statistics.

Excess deaths, until this nightmare we are now living, was used to visualise the pattern of mortality to see when it was happening, when the seasonal diseases were coming, not as a measure of what an acceptable level of death is.

It is now used as “too many deaths” or “more deaths than we should have” which creates this completely. false notion that there is a correct amount of death.

It’s just more shit on the shit pile that we are standing in and it’s now just under the chin, about to choke us.

Absolutely, in my view the only time that deaths were such as to necessitate drastic Government action was back in April/May 2020 when deaths rates more than doubled in some weeks and nobody quite knew what was going on. However, as pointed out in today’s newsletter above, things are never as temporary as intended and here we are today still taking Government action on deaths as if the Government should be expected to micro-manage the death rate.

The Government’s role is to step in and avert a crisis, you could ague that last April/May there was a crisis and the Government stepped in (I will leave others to judge whether in fact they averted the crisis?). Since June 2020, by my analysis, there has not been a crisis and no need for dramatic Government intervention. Certainly no crisis with regards to deaths, maybe a crisis, of sorts’ with the NHS but if they had put some effort into developing HCQ and Ivermectin treatments that could probably have been averted.

Anyway, at present there is no crisis, no need for dramatic Government interventions and it is time for Big Government to get off our backs.
I never thought it would be a Conservative government that oversaw the biggest increase in BIG Government in my lifetime.

But that’s precisely how it is also powerful. If 73,000 UK deaths in Jan 2018 are acceptable how come thr 47,000 odd were not during the first installment of Covid Mania?

It’s because of the “belief” that if we didn’t do anything it would be MUCH WORSE.

It’s pure Tiger Horn Theory.

And any rise above a five or ten year ‘baseline’ in 2020/21 is usually greeted with a sharp intake of breath by lockdown advocates. They overlook the fact that the comparable ‘baselines’ are usually averages which by their nature are based on constituent statistics with peaks and troughs.

I’m sure I saw a recent UK all cause mortality data set, with a graph showing the data and long term average. I was totally surprised to find that the death figures reported were modelled figures, not actual deaths. I will have to check to see if can find the document again.

The new normal – indefinite lockdowns imposed by spineless government!

I sense it should read “indefinite lockdowns imposed by spineless government s !” One of the most obvious challenges in getting our leaders to change direction is that almost everywhere else is locked into the same delusions as our lot.

Of all the depressing items on this morning’s new. letter, the one about the hotel. quarantines is by far the most depressing.

It’s bedrock of the zero-covid strategy. It’s coming.

And I can’t help concluding 2 things.

1. It’s partly. an economic decision. More Brits generally travel overseas than vice versa. Keeping them in Britain this year will help boost the economy – or so the logic goes these days of not really believing in an open commercial world except for goods.
2. A bi-polar world is in the making, split into zero-covid and non-zero covid countries. I imagine the idea will be to create travel areas that include the zero-covids. They know this thing is never going away, the vaccines won’t do much and we’re going to have permanent suppression measures, rather than accept the risk

This is all crazy speculation on my part, but this is what I’m seeing.

Excellent exposition:

https://www.facebook.com/dr.zia.nix/posts/10157812366842804

Well done to those psychologists speaking out although I think its a case of too little too late.

They allowed the likes of Susan Mitchie to dictate government policy of frightening the populace and perpetuating large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. There will be hell to pay when this is over as their profession will be swamped by people needing their help after developing psychological disorders as a result of their fearmongering.

I have long distrusted psychologists and Never Again will I support them or their work.

They need a clear out when this is over and a Code of Ethics by which all psychologists should subscribe too. And also to strip the likes of Mitchie their doctorates and right to practise.

In the specific case of Susan Michie she is a card carrying member of the Communist Party. Whoever allowed someone with such warped and dangerous political views to advise a “Conservative” Government should be strung up next to her.

Exactly. Tower Hill should be revived especially for that purpose.

And reopen the Tower of London as a prison.

I’d be more in favour of just dropping these people in random pubs on tough council estates at 10:45 on Friday nights. Hancock wouldn’t have to come up with any fake tears then. And can you imagine Ferguson trying to model his way out of a Moss Side flat roof. Warms the heart thinking of such things.

More like they will get beaten up by the locals in those areas.

Would be thoroughly enjoyable to watch.

The Communist Party of Britain to be precise: far-left politics has been long been riven with factionalism, as brilliantly satirized in Monty Python’s Life of Brian .

There will be plenty of work for the prisons

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/25/lockdown-tv-binge-watching-productions

Headline: In this seemingly endless lockdown, will we finally run out of TV?
Good old Grauniad – focusing on the important issue relating to lockdown #facepalm

It’s the Graun’s version of “let them eat cake”

Nothing about soaring unemployment, bankruptcies, domestic violence, untreated illnesses, substance abuse, mental health issues. Instead it’s all about TV.

You couldn’t make this up.

My son, 12 years old, said to me the other day “what’s the point” “we can’t do anything, nothing to look forward too”
He isn’t interested in anything other than gaming. He used to be so active with his sports and I fear that he won’t want to do anything again.

Yes, zoom classes are no good, but the lack of sport and recreation is another huge problem for youngsters. I wouldn’t be the person I am today if I hadn’t played school/club rugby and cricket.

The next generation is going to be really unbalanced if this continues.

They will be so unbalanced they’ll end up like SAGE

A terrifying thought!

They are no good. You can’t achieve any kind of decent learning via zoom. The teacher is always asking the children to make sure they’re on mute, kids don’t pay attention as well as they do in lesson.
Sports is good for children’s mental health as well as their physical health.

Yeah absolutely. I think sport is character building, helps build self confidence, discipline, team work and much more. For the non sporty kids other extra curricular things like debating clubs, drama clubs etc can help do the same thing.

The future is going to be grim if this zoom school idea takes hold.

Your son has zoom lessons? My 12 year old grandson has me and I’m feeling more incompetent every day I pick him up as he has the same thought as your son. My grandson has had one weeks worth of work sent by email to his dad. He had to push for that or he would be forgotten about.
I’m spending more time passing emails to my son for him to pass to the assistant head teacher asking for work.

Sport as well as being physically and mentally good for the body, I notice my grandson smiling and communicating more when kicking a ball about with his friends.

Oh that’s awful I feel like crying. I just can’t believe the government are doing this to our children.

Believe it! Its happening!

Get him to write to your MP.

My MP is useless and I do not want to engage with him anymore. He does not listen to people who are struggling, he only cares about getting free parking for his constituents.

the same with my nephew (13) – he used to be an outgoing boy, loads of friends, a footballer, very promising academically – now he has been sucked into a virtual world on a screen; he sleeps most of they day and spends the night gaming. I don’t think he’s untypical, and in fact I think there are probably many children in a far worse position than his- for example my sister’s neighbours: a young couple who spend the day stoned. they have 3 children under 10 who now with no school, no structure to their day, are left to their own devices, to fend for themselves as best they can. It is evil what they are doing. I don’t think they really envisage any future at all for this generation of young people – they are counting on them committing suicide at some point, or dying of obesity. I am so angry at what I see is going on, I want to stand those responsible up against a wall and just shoot them.

My nearly 12 yr old the same as is his 9 year old brother. No kickboxing no football no swimming etc etc. We do still see family and any friends that will meet which helps. He’s putting on weight it’s sickening what they’re doing to the children.

My 7 year old daughter yesterday said she wished she didnt exist, wtf! Made me so angry. She has lost all her interaction.

I was also thinking about elite young sport people. My daughter’s friend is an elite swimmer. She has not been to a swimming pool for months. But in Russia sport clubs for young elite sportmen never closed. Now all sport and art clubs are opened in Russia.
So Russian children will be ahead of British children in sport.

Great picture on the front of today’s Times. A solitary police car in a sea of people sticking two fingers up to the “stay at home” message.

I wonder how many of them were questioned as to how far they’d travelled, or asked if they were locals? How many were told to maintain strict social distancing? I’d imagine next to none, because the authorities cannot cope with such numbers. This is an important lesson to take forward.

Save for the rozzer truck, that looks like a Lowry.

and with the rozzer truck it looks like an Hieronymus Bosch

Or a Banksy.

The “Today” programme today concluded with the joyous sound of children playing in the snow! What were they thinking of!?

But the Today was a bit off piste today altogether (pardon the pun). Going on about how the lockdown was badly effecting children.

WTF is that cop van doing there?

95% of the people support the government

92% of the people support the restrictions

94% of the people would welcome further restrictions

East German Poll 1988

Excellent comparison.

9 out 10 people love their slavery. Fact

Should we start reminding people of all the occasions authorities tried to silence and denigrate people for having an opposing viewpoint? I’m thinking of wmd, Hillsborough, grooming gangs, NHS scandals, Jimmy Saville, I’m sure there are others. In all these cases those being silence were proven to be correct. Silencing opposing views to the authorities one is never in the public interest.

The Hillsborough conclusions in the end were not justice, leading to a good man getting a conviction for doing his job on 1989 safety recommendations. I was there and saw with my own eyes what happened outside that ground. Yes the Police made some catastrophic decisions on the day that cost lives but don’t think they were not under enormous pressure to open the exit gates.

As a scouser, I agree. The self-righteous thirst for vengeance of some parties will only- possibly- be sated when David Duckenfield is exhumed from his grave and his head displayed on a pole atop the Liver Building. The cover-up was disgraceful, and in my view partially continues, but the decades-long harrying of Duckenfield reflects no credit on anyone. I haven’t lived in Liverpool for 29 years and am in no hurry ever to go back.

It’s only ever been the truth that was forbidden…

The quarantine ‘hotels’ are terrifying me. My daughter is a student in the US, there are hundreds of British young people there, mostly on sports scholarships, as she is. The idea of her being locked up if she tries to come home is so dreadful, I can’t stop shaking. At university they are masked every waking hour, even during sport, athletes are tested every week, need to be tested before getting on plane. What on earth is the point of then locking them up? They have no option but to go back and forward.
I realise this will seem trivial to many people but I am genuinely desperate.
My MP is a zealot despite the fact that he is a practicing Psychiatrist which to me is unbelievable. I don’t know who to turn to, if anyone can think of who else I can write to I would at least feel I was doing something.

The last thing this is, is trivial.
I can inly pray for you and for your daughter.

Thank you. I am beside myself.

It is unconstitutional. Is it time for a class action lawsuit in the UK?

what would worry me is the money – where are ordinary people supposed to find the means to pay for their 2 week imprisonment at an airport hotel? I wish I could reassure you, but unfortunately I think this is just a foretaste – sooner or later we will ALL end up in the gulag. Anyone who can get out should go – Tanzania. I would say Belarus, but that is likely to be targeted by the gangsters in the whitehouse for a regime change operation

I know. At least with a holiday you have a choice whether to go or not. These young people are already abroad and stuck. Many take up these scholarships who couldn’t afford a US or UK university education otherwise.

They don’t. The whole premise of the thing is that people don’t leave Britain.

I suspect Russia would not take kindly to a regime change operation by the US in Belarus.

That’s exactly the point of that policy: that ordinary people stay put.

I checked Belarus. The British have to arrive with negative test and quarantine for 10 days on arrival. Not good.

But thousands of truckdriver will passing through every day.This is not an Australian solution. Can they really consider this? If they do it would be devastating.

I can understand that this is a frightening development for you. I’m very sorry you’re feeling so bad.
Realistically, even if the govt does try to enforce quarantine in this way, it surely could not last for long. It would destroy significant sectors of the economy. And as Swedenborg points out, truck drivers would have to be exempted: so right from the start, there would be gross inconsistencies that would be easy to see. A problem for us here with lockdown is that plenty of people are enjoying it, so the pressure to abandon it is too little. On the other hand, people in this country love travel; middle-class people, working-class people – most people. I just don’t see such a policy surviving for very long.

30 years in the GDR…

That’s what my husband says but the government is not made up of reasonable normal people unfortunately. It won’t apply to them.

Why wasn’t hotel quarantine introduced during the first wave? Was it because of the whole truck driver thing, or was it down to a desire to appease the wealthy “jet set”?

it wouldn’t be just truck drivers exempted but also other identified exemptions eg government, politicians, ‘important’ business people etc etc.
Look forward to the G7 cohort staying in the Travelodge in June before making their way to cornwall for their pow wow!!

Can you spot a step change in positive tests reducing as a consequence of the lockdowns?
Can you see a step change from the ‘Kent variant’?

In addition there is now the very interesting paper by Aukema et al. referred to by Swedenborg yesterday which applies a Bayesian statistics approach to published data and shows for example, that on January 11th of the 50,000 plus reported positive results it is likely that 68% of these are false positives!

Thanks. I only want to point out that it’s not like a “Bayesian statistics approach” is one option given to scientists that they may or may not want to use…it is literally THE science on this type of probabilities.

Great tweet on the Nick Cohen thread, linked to above.

“Everyone is a lockdown sceptic. It’s just a question of when.”

“Gordon Brown: UK could become ‘failed state'”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55791179

We became a failed state on 23rd March 2020

Not a failed state: a fascist state.

He’s part of the reason if we do go in the way of a “failed” state.

The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

Not one of these papers say lockdowns have any material effect. It’s a corona virus. Slippery as fuck. We are killing ourselves for nothing and I have had enough. Here is the entirety of the scientific literature.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/eci.13484

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.22.20160341v3

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

https://advance.sagepub.com/articles/preprint/Comment_on_Dehning_et_al_Science_15_May_2020_eabb9789_Inferring_change_points_in_the_spread_of_COVID-19_reveals_the_effectiveness_of_interventions_/12362645

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.02090.pdf

https://www.datascienceassn.org/sites/default/files/Illusory%20Effects%20of%20Non-pharmaceutical%20Interventions%20on%20COVID19%20in%20Europe.pdf

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-end-of-exponential-growth-the-decline-in-the-spread-of-coronavirus/

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20088260v2

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.26.20202267v1

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/did-lockdowns-really-save-3-million-covid-19-deaths-as-flaxman-et-al-claim/

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3588

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047860v3

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2652751/

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3607803

https://imgcdn.larepublica.co/cms/2020/05/21180548/JP-Morgan.pdf

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768086

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.09.20210146v3

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3665588

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3543

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.20222315v1

https://pandata.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Exploring-inter-country-variation.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.04.20168112v1#:~:text=The%20seroprevalence%20of%20COVID%2D19,care%20workers%20in%20Niger%20State

thanks for the links

Excellent!

Good job.

According to the DT, the ever-shifting “return to normality” is being proposed for the end of summer, no doubt to allow 99.9% of bedwetters to get their jabs.

So naturally, we’ll get a few weeks of “freedom” until late autumn, when mass testing kicks in again, “cases” start to rise and lockdowns begin as the usual suspects start shrieking hysterically about the utterly hopeless NHS.

It’s already set in stone that this will happen even if everybody follows the rules, so what the hell’s the point?

no point at all, Scotty. Resist!

Entirely predictable isn’t it.

There’s no point. They are psychopaths. Say NO. RESIST. Stand firm. Push back.

By coincidence, I’m translating (professionally) some work about the reaction to the appearance of syphilis in Europe around 1500. A discussion of writings by the “experts” of the day – clergymen, physicians, humoralists, Humanists and especially astrologers and iatroastrologers. It’s easy (or it was easy) to scoff at the ignorance of such writings. But in important respects, nothing has changed. The avalanche of rubbish, moral and pseudomedical, talked about syphilis in those years now reads eerily like the avalanche of rubbish talked about Covid. Then as now, everything was driven by fear of death, moral panic and the instinct to scapegoat. Some of these writers were trying to make a quick fortune in the marketplace advertising quack remedies. Most were thoughtful, intelligent people who were just completely out of their depth and didn’t want to sound as though they didn’t know what they were talking about.

There’s even a woodcut of the Christ child, in the lap of the Virgin Mary, dispensing a miracle cure to two women with syphilitic rashes, one dressed respectably, the other a prostitute. All it needs is the caption “ANYONE CAN GET IT. ANYONE CAN SPREAD IT.”

I’m extremely tired and low today, so I’m not finding it a particularly pleasant day’s work. But it is interesting, how little we learn and how little we change.

What a very interesting and different post. Thank you.

So they all got the clap.
I’m sure that helped.

We’ve made progress. The clap now only appears at 8pm each Thursday

But the January clap has gone quiet.

Beware the Kentish Clap.

Small mercies, at least the Brazilian Clap will be more astheticly pleasing.

In 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. People died agonising deaths in massive numbers. In some populations the death rate was more than ninety percent. Over the whole of Europe, the death rate was between forty and sixty percent. There was no known treatment or method of prevention. Fear and panic were widespread.

The king of France called upon the continent’s finest experts to study the disease and come up with recommendations for the well being of the people. After much serious study the experts found that washing, especially bathing, made one susceptible to the disease. They, therefore, advised that no one wash. As a result, for centuries the people of Europe avoided washing like the plague.

It is easy with hindsight to see that this was counter-productive. But when people come to look at the current situation with hindsight, they will doubtless find it just as easy to see how obviously counter-productive is the advice of the contemporary experts.

And I was thinking the infamous filthiness of Renaissance-era Europeans was because we running out of trees to cut down to burn for hot water heating.

(Coal was banned in medieval England at least because of the pollution it caused!)

“The risk of student suicides has quietly stirred many district leaders, leading some, like the State Superintendent in Arizona , to cite that fear in public pleas to help mitigate the virus’ spread.”

If only people did what they were told and stayed at home – students wouldn’t kill themselves. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.

Am I understanding this correctly? If there were more fear and isolation, there would be fewer suicides? Isn’t this the exact opposite of everything we know about risk of suicide?

The Rapists Dad poses as Kin Jong-un whist meeting party functionaries

The groveling poses of the functionaries show how far that land is down the Marxist rabbit hole

(The villagers have been welded in their houses seeing as you ask)

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/flood-skewen-mark-drakeford-minister-19690794#comments-section

Getting flooded and then the rapists dad turning up. Feel sorry for those Welsh people.

Perhaps riding a horse up Pen y Fan in the snow is next?

Has asymptomatic transmission been proven, or is it another ‘we remain absolutely confident with 55% certainty’ situation?

Some research studies to say not proven and unlikely.

This is for my complaint to the ASA. Thanks for replies

No it hasn’t been proven. Papers have been published like the “woman spreads it on a plane” when it turned out she was taking flu medication, or the Chinese study that has people scratching their heads.

The main problem is that the chances of it are vanishing small so it technically CAN happen but then a satellite can also fall on your head or your dog can drown you in the bath by accident.

No proof. Use common sense. If you don’t have symptoms how can you spread the flu? If you are not sick or do not have it, how can you spread it? If you have CV 19 do you really think you will be out running a half-marathon? Or would you be more likely to be flat on your back groaning? And when you recover is it sensible that you will be ‘spreading’ it given that your body fought it off and you are again healthy?

Or another view. What about TB, Malaria, Diarrhoea, Dengue, Pneumonic flu etc. Are you spreading those without having symptoms or an illness?

Is that what these morons are saying?

I seriously doubt asymptomatic transmission leads to increased chances of others being ill. People WITH symptoms are likely to spread a virus, not those without it. Mainly because the infection would be in their mucus, so not just in coughs and sneezes but in their breath too. These people always have symptoms of some sort – even if it’s just a dizzy light headed feeling as you might get with a cold. In my opinion, if asymptomatic transmission was a thing, then the human race would not be here today.

This summer the World Health Organisation said that asymptomatic transmission was “very rare” and went on to say there were no confirmed cases.

I asked on here a few weeks ago and was given the references of

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436/rr-10 and

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-08jun2020.pdf

(use ctrf F and  asymptomatic)

This was Clare Craig’s article on LS from 19th December

https://lockdownsceptics.org/has-the-evidence-of-asymptomatic-spread-of-covid-19-been-significantly-overstated-2/

I believe most respiratory viruses can be transmitted about a day before symptoms appear, it has happened to me once as I caught a nasty virus despite not being with anyone with obvious symptoms. No one in the past cared much about that as most transmission occurs when you are coughing and sneezing and you remember someone who sat behind you in the bus blowing their nose or whatever if you catch a bug.

Also initial symptoms can be so mild you are unaware you caught something until more symptoms develop.

Given people are so judgemental about covid, it would not surprise me if people neglect to mention they had a slight cough or something if interviewed.

Sucharit Bhakdi gives a very clear simple explanation of the improbability of ‘asymptomatic’ transmission in his interviews and where this particular bit of nonsense came from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVq_Eufr9fw

https://rumble.com/vbkz95-are-we-being-told-the-truth-about-covid-19-prof.-sucharit-bhakdi.html

See Fauci tell you it does not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAvjU2LBkg

I have been thinking about Devi Srivdah and how she presents herself rather than what she has to say. Does anyone else wonder why she does her interviews in skimpy tops, even in winter she is wearing tops which show a lot of her bare flesh. She is a very attractive woman and is very well groomed it is not my way of presenting myself and I don’t feel any jealousy of her. Anyone have any views or am I just looking for things where they don’t exist?

Easy on the eye, not on the ears.

I’m sure Johnson will have noticed the skimpy tops…she is probably next on his list…maybe Ferguson too if she is married!

What? the pig dictator is going to shag Ferguson?

Not improbable. You will recall no doubt that whilst at Oxford he and his mate Dave Cameron were members of a drinking club , where the highlight of their drunken night’s activities was carnal intercourse with a dead pig- or so it was alleged in the newsapers. Anfd this man now leads the country and is loved and admired by virtually every living soul in the nation. To whom is the greater shame – him or us.

Ferguson more likely to be the top there.

She is the most dangerous person in the UK with her 0 Covid policy

When I became an academic, female academics were often rather dowdy; it was a badge of intellectual honour, a sign of imperviousness to the sexualisation of women in mainstream culture. A style tradition that could be traced back to the bluestockings of the 18thC. By signalling that one didn’t care about one’s clothes, one made a claim to academic seriousness and substance.
My younger colleagues feel very differently. There are lots of women in academia now, so the risk of being overlooked or trivialised because of one’s feminine self-presentation is much reduced. Most of the younger women in my dept are rather glamorous.

Difficult to imagine Dorothy Hodgkin or Jocelyn Bell glamming it up for likes, isn’t it?

Of course she flirts to camera. Because- and I mean no innuendo- she’s a smart cookie with a pretty face and very sharp elbows, and she knows exactly how to sell herself.

I recall on one of the London Calling episodes a few weeks ago Toby Young and James Delingpole talked about “the trap” feminism has set for men of a certain age, iirc, by the combination of making it the norm for young women to wear clothes that manipulatively draw attention to their sexual assets, and simultaneously unacceptable to notice it, if you are an older male, particularly in any position of real or theoretical seniority.

Can’t remember the exact conversation, but it carried some truth I think.

Viva Eindhoven

They’ve now put road barriers up around the bandstand. What these idiots don’t realise is that people will just sit on the steps!

Take down the barriers! I removed lots of notices last night in my hat and sunglasses and mask….one of the few satisfying things to do at the moment!

Two problems: a) there are CCTV cameras (you know the ones – they can never detect a burglar, but there’ll be a crysal clear image if I were to do something) and b) I’d be top of the suspect list. Though, we did notice someone had been doing a bit of ‘Annie-ing’ before we got in this morning!

Good for them….I dont think I am top of any suspect list…I prefer guerilla tactics lol.

The cameras are easy, simply do your duty and wear a mask!

The council have put large plastic signs round lampposts near all of the school where I live. The usual orders of keeping distance wearing masks etc. One had come loose and one of my children had great pleaseure in jumping up and down on it causing it to crack and smash up! Normally I would have been saying stop stop it’s vandalism. However I didn’t . It still makes me smile now. Small pleasures in life these days.

I’d say kh should stay a long way away from any such direct action, because she’s already a target and it will give them a pretext to take down a local centre of dissent.

If others in the area were to do so, unconnected to her, that would be different….

…and of course any such acts would be highly-regrettable and would be condemned by all right-thinking people, would they not? And none of us would have seen or heard anything when the bizzies come round looking for witnesses- that would also be highly-regrettable. I suspect my regret would be visible from the I.S.S. in Earth-orbit, personally, and I’m sure yours would be too- your regret, that is.

Indeed. In fact it’s quite likely that anyone accused of such acts might have been elsewhere with us on essential business, at the time of the alleged offences, anyway…

They’re really angry, aren’t they …

This is the kind of nonsense I thought they had left back with lockdown version one.

Where my parents live in Germany this week stricter measures – retrospectively of course, after cases hit 200/100k last week.

All adults have to wear a mouthnosecovering on playgrounds. At least it is not a medical one.

When your “journal of lockdown year (s?) “ finally comes out in Kindle it should be a best seller and compensate you for the stress you have been put through .
I look forward to seeing the names and photos of the council jobsworths and absurdly masked police officers fighting for control of a bench in a small country town park. Such a farce , and no doubt all charged up to council taxpayers.

It has all the ingredients for a classic Ealing comedy. Except comedy.

Indeed. The air was pretty blue in the shop earlier,

Stick a sign on the barrier saying “lockdown kills”. Or one of the alternative “look them in the eye” ones.

That is hilarious – you’re hitting a nerve – well done

Its an excellent advert showing how absurd things are

BREAK IT!

I think they all go home at 5pm

in 10 million. Sweden – better off than the UK. South Dakota – the same. Snowdon, despite his sceptical foundations, is it seems clearly in the former camp. He states explicitly that lockdown “will prevent tens of thousands of people dying this winter”. Leaving aside the veracity of this claim, Snowdon in that one sentence accepts the central argument of the lockdown advocates.

So the Covidiots claim that LDs ‘save lives’. How do they test for that? Where is the ‘control group’ which has no LDs? Belarus? 1000 dead in 10 million. Sweden – better off than the UK. South Dakota – the same. How many dead from LDs in the UK – 40 K or more???

Real world control groups are stating the obvious. LDs kill, they delay all natural virus life cycles, they deny exercise, herd immunity, normal interactions which kill a virus…..it is the opposite of science and common bloody sense.


I always thought Snowden was weak even at the start…there was always something rather ‘fence sitting’ about him.

Now why do they need to do another Ivermectin trial in the UK??? WHO already did one – we always follow the WHO slavishly

”

• While preliminary evidence seems to suggest Ivermectin can be useful at all stages of SARS-CoV-2 infection, its real strength appears to be as a preventive approach

• Of 58 health care workers who took ivermectin once a month for four months, only four (6.96%) came down with mild COVID-19 symptoms during the May through August 2020 trial period, compared to 44 of 60 health care workers (26.67%) who declined the medication

• In August 2020, India’s largest state, Uttar Pradesh, added ivermectin to its recommendations and distributed the drug for home care free of charge. The state of Bihar also started recommending ivermectin, and by the end of 2020, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh had the lowest and second-lowest COVID-19 fatality rates in all of India

• A WHO-sponsored review suggests ivermectin can reduce COVID-19 mortality by as much as 83%

• In the U.S., the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance is calling for widespread adoption of ivermectin, both as a prophylactic and for the treatment of all phases of COVID-19

”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/25/ivermectin-for-coronavirus.aspx

Of the 50,000 fixed penalty notices issued not one has progressed to a contested hearing in a Magistrates Court

Not one in close to 12months

Where have all these cases been disappeared to?

Why is the dictatorship so scared of having what they’ve done tested in the courts?

It makes me wonder if they’re scared someone will try to mount a defence by bringing in evidence such as those studies that disprove the effectiveness of lockdowns, disprove the effective of masks/SD etc, and the mountains of evidence against the narrative that is bubbling under the surface of society like a super volcano waiting to explode. All of this could be used to question the very regulations that they’re guilty of violating, could it not? Unless they’re going to do away with due process entirely, naturally… and just turn it into a North Korea style system (or Cardassian from Star Trek) where everyone is guilty no matter what.

used as scare tactics – too risky for them to take people to court – if judgement against these draconian measures then all will fall apart quickly

Could you say where you found this piece of info – I’m wanting to check it out in my personal battle to continue as normal a life as possible and encourage my kids and friends in theirs. Lots of people I know are not afraid of the virus but they can’t afford to pay an FPN and they’re scared of court action.
I’ve been thinking the ‘punishments’ must be a bluff. My understanding is the courts already have a backlog of 450,000 cases waiting to be heard but think I’ve read of people in court for breaches.
Any further info would be really helpful.Thanks

if you don’t pay the FPN, a court summons must be sent out within 6 months or else the penalty is null and void.

thanks for the clarification – but was curious about where to find the info on the FPN’s being given but none being contested.

I’ve heard exactly the same, Gina. You’d need to check it out yourself, obvs.

Anyone know what happened about that maskless guy assaulted on the Liverpool train by a transport cop back in July? Had about 5 m youtube views and I recall that the case was due to come to court in January, i.e. now.

Mm, yes, I’d forgotten about that. You could check out the Liverpool Echo online, see if his case gets reported. Somehow I doubt it will. You’ll find there’s very little else in the Echo to detain you- a dreadful, semi-literate rag.

If you don’t pay, and a court summons isn’t received within 6 months, the penalty is null and void. I would much rather people wholesale refuse to give their details, to be issued with the fine, and be prepared to be arrested and taken to the magistrates, and take up civil proceedings against the police for assault, battery, illegal detention etc

To every one of the 116 FS’s who upticked my comment about the damm Van Tam man’s statement concerning the vaccine yesterday, I would like to thank everyone of you.
The darkest hour is just before the dawn.
With apologies to the Mamas and the Papas.

What did he say? I missed it.

That even if you have been vaccinated, you can still spread the virus?????
If so, what’s the f×cking point???

Bob Dylan, surely! “Meet Me In The Morning”, orf-of “Blood On The Tracks”!
No doubt the Ms and Ps too, I hasten to add, Philip- I only ever really liked “Creeque Alley”!

While I’m far away from you my baby
I know it’s hard for you my baby
Because it’s hard for me my baby
And the darkest hour is just before dawn

Dedicated to the one I love, M+P

Ah yes, I remember it now- you’ve got a very good singing voice, I must say!

Ive always connected strongly with this Mama Cass song. It’s especially meaningful right now

Nobody can tell ya;
There’s only one song worth singin’,
They may try and sell ya,
‘Cause it hangs them up to see someone like you.

But you’ve gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song,
Make your own kind of music
even if nobody else sings along.

You’re gonna be nowhere
The loneliest kind of lonely,
It may be rough goin’,
Just to do your thing’s the hardest thing to do.

But you’ve gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song,
Make your own kind of music even if nobody else sings along.

So if you cannot take my hand,
And if you must be goin’, I will understand.

But you’ve gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song,
Make your own kind of music
even if nobody else sings along.

The observations made in the Nature article are not dissimilar to those made by Hope-Simpson when discussing the flu.
The rate of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of influenza, and probably a lot of viruses. Again it’s the exposed, infected, infectious pathway, where you may be exposed but that doesn’t mean you’re infected and being infected doesn’t mean you show symptoms or that you’re infectious.

Love the ‘look them in the eyes’ memes. Using them if you don’t mind.
Far closer to reality than the dystopian fascist propaganda from the SAGE Committee of Public Safety. As for the NHS, every single year you can read about the NHS being overwhelmed in the winter, and ‘studies’ saying that the flu vaxx failed with 10% effectiveness etc.

Agree. Now to get them out to the public

When referring patients to hospital for an acute admission I often take the opportunity to speak to the admitting Registrar or SHO about the situation on the ground. Last weekend I learnt the blockage in A and E was not caused by large numbers of new Covid patients being admitted but rather as a result of the regular testing of patients on the wards leading to one ward after another being closed .

This would for instance block all the surgical wards from admissions for several days and leave surgical patients slowly piling up in A and E ..

I was told by the Medical Registrar that the number of Covid from the community was a regular trickle but quite manageable.

Reading today s column I would point out that the vast majority of those in ITU who are in the age 30-70 range fall into the extremely vulnerable or vulnerable categories ; the former are being offered the vaccine in many parts of the country this week.

This information very rarely seems to make it into the regular news. Is it not possible for you and others to write to the BBC and the other outlets with this information on a regular basis?

They won’t publish it probably, but their not doing so will in time become a breach of their standards of fair and balanced reporting.

If they don’t receive the info though, there is zero chance they will report it and zero chance they can be accused of misinformation.

Please report your info to the media and ask your colleagues to do so too.

He would be risking dismissal by doing so, I believe.

Every other week I see something on this site along the lines of “many Tory MPs are unhappy about the proposals and Boris could face a significant rebellion”, and every single time it amounts to zero, zilch. Every new edict flies through with barely a bump for Boris and Matt. I can only assume it comes from an out of date conviction that the Tories wouldn’t allow all this to happen. Time to wake up. If you’re waiting for a Tory revolt or the CRG to achieve anything you’re wasting your time.

Couldn’t agree more. Nothing will come of it and the government knows it.

100%. Same goes for nobly penning great long letters to MPs. Time would be better spent elsewhere. Parliament is a busted flush.

Protest boards and posters needed allover the place.

Kids should stand with protest boards outside schools demanding that schools reopen

Absoltely.

My eyes glaze over when I reach that stuff.

Totally irrelevant.

Go back a month or so, Havering & Redbridge in Nth East London were all over the news, positive testing in these areas drove the panic before the January lockdown.
Well let’s just look again at what was happening (and remember, testing increased by a 3rd over this period) in the key Nth East London area. Oh yes, cases falling before lockdown. No identifiable impact of lockdown.

Have you up ticked a comment on here only for the up tick to disappear? It would appear the 77th are at work removing upticks

On occasions they over do it and send an obviously sceptic comment into the red

Smell rat

If you downtick and then someone else upticks it is cancelled out. Don’t think there is any foul play.

Easy way to resolve this 8s show both the up and down ticks, so both figures can be seen. I don’t see why one should cancel out the other. It would also sho how much traction the comments are getting

• Bill Gates owns more farmland in the U.S. than any other private farmer , having purchased a total of 242,000 acres — much of it considered some of the richest soil in the country — in the past few years

• A subsidiary of Gates’ personal investment company is an inaugural member of Leading Harvest, a nonprofit that developed a “sustainability standard” without offering farmers guidance to achieve the result

• Gates has been calling for sustainable energy and reduced carbon emissions for over a decade, but has also heavily invested in lab-grown foods and toxic chemicals that poison the food supply

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/25/bill-gates-biggest-private-farmland-owner.aspx

Don’t forget he’s a big investor in the lab grown meat industry as well.

Further to my post of yesterday about the dancing in Leicester, apparently the participants were Romanian and yesterday was a National day celebrating the reunification of Romania.

How did they manage to get so many useful idiots in councils etc, you would think none of the madness they are encouraging was going to by pass them and their families.

I saw the ‘look them in the eyes’ advert last night and found it utterly reprehensible. How dare the government try and lay the blame and guilt on the population. If something isn’t working it’s because it’s the wrong thing to do and to try and force a population to obey is indeed a dictatorship.
I also saw the more powerful Women’s Aid advert. Look women who are trapped in their homes with an abusive partner in the eyes and tell then their life isn’t worth as much as anyone else’s.

On. a brighter note, I am going skiing today with my children and grandchildren in Nottinghamshire!

Thanks for letting me know. I’ve told my granny to avoid skiing today just in case you accidentally hit and kill her. Stay safe.

A most depressing read of LS today. The comments always restore my sanity.

Morning all. Today the HART group are intending to launch their website fully https://hartgroup.org/ (not updated yet). This is making me feel a little hopeful. They state:
“HART is a group of highly qualified UK doctors, scientists, economists and psychologists who use a strong and broad multidisciplinary evidence base to help inform the Government’s policies on tackling COVID-19.
We aim to provide politicians and the wider public with the means to evaluate all the available evidence.
We represent a broad range of disciplines with a wide range of individual evidence-based expert views.”

I know we already have the GBD and that hasn’t got us far yet, but these guys seem to think the difference will be that they are a UK lobby group who can provide alternative approaches in a UK context. My hope is that it will be harder for detractors to pick off brave individuals speaking out if there is strength in numbers. It will be interesting to see just how many people have put their name to it and how they proceed. There has been very little info so far about what they actually intend to do.

Well, it’s clear what they’re doing. They’re tired of being made to look like fools for locking down when cases are dropping and releasing lockdown when cases are rising. They want to make sure they’ll release lockdown at the right time to make it look as though they know what they’re doing.

I think we urgently need to move the conversation away from “excess deaths” and “hospital beds”… these numbers are nuanced, open to manipulation AND will probably start to include people dying from lockdown harms such as missed cancer screenings, suicides and domestic abuse. As vaccinated people start to die (because the vaccine didn’t protect some from getting covid) these figures will ALSO be added and we will eventually get to the point where human life is disallowed altogether. We MUST move the conversation into the HARMS of lockdowns and masks. Psychological damage to children, cruelty to the elderly and single through enforced isolation, destruction of businesses, denying people dignity and basic human rights. There are a small number of selfish elites, sitting at home, furloughed or able to work on line, with their kids dutifully doing lessons via their iPads, ordering Deliveroo, who are piling up the cash to build a new extension. These people don’t want lockdown to end. They are turning into selfish, deluded, monsters… We must speak to them!

Totally agree. The battle about the virus itself is over, the battle for hearts and minds over the consequences and collateral damage due to the government’s policies begins. It may not be the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.

Agreed, we are now jumping about like scalded cats at every micro turn in the numbers and it is ridiculous. We had a crisis on AprilM/ay 2020 deaths were over double and we did not know what was going on and so we took crisis action with a lockdown. Since then there has not been a crisis and there is certainly not a crisis at the moment. For sure the public health people need to monitor numbers to advise on an appropriate public health policy but we do not have the numbers that amount to a crisis and no justification for crisis action like the lockdown. There is every reason to confidently move to an exit strategy now.

We need to stop the argument about covid effects. Sick people, people who die with a positive test, asymptomatic spreaders, masks. We cannot hope to win this argument because people like the government have massive investment in this argument and we have no voice.

So let’s go after the lockdown as an entity. Why are people dying? Well they have not received proper care from the nhs for a year. Why have suicides risen? How many have died, why do you NOT PUBLISH THE FIGURES? domestic abuse on the rise. Cancer cases being untreated. The horror of changing sociable young children into scared introverted children who self harm and are living in isolation. Children contemplating suicide. Old people dying alone, afraid and in agony because they are being kept in care homes alone. Business owners who have spent a lifetime building up a business now broken. Small business being squeezed out by multinational companies like amazon. Peoples mental health. Killing granny. Lockdown policies have killed twice the numbers of granny’s than covid restrictions have saved. Lockdown supporters have murdered twice the number of people than lockdown sceptics. Which granny died? The one from covid or the one from Cancer, heart disease, lung and liver problems, obesity, suicide

I am sure we can all add to that list. This is undeniable and should be how we attack. Stop mask debates, stop death with or from covid, blood on my hands. So every covid supporter we call them mass murderers BECAUSE OF LOCKDOWN, there are 32 scientific studies showing lockdowns don’t
work. Sweden!! Florida. Let’s talk about their mistakes, the COST financially of lockdown 2 million lost jobs. I believe if we switch the narrative this is an argument we will win.

Through the summer and up to US Election a common conversation i would hear would be something along the lines of “Trump is not perfect but he is the best option to obtain our freedoms back”.

Alas, he “lost”.. however, for those who think this was a cut and dry fair result should just look up the clips of the National Guard who were on the roadside when new President Biden s motorcade went past - many were showing their backs and some were spitting as the cars went by. The hugely "unpopular/divisive" Trump s inauguration event had many thousands of the public in attendance, Biden had 25,000 reluctant and mostly non supportive military in place to show who is now in power. This is unprecedented.

Here, we recently had (possibly still is) the United Nations flag flying above Downing Street.

We also have the likes of Princes Charles and William hobnobbing with the likes of global Bond villain Klaus Schwab and the mentally compromised youth Thunberg.

March 23rd 2020 was the day our country was taken over and we should all realize that the only way to defeat these evil men and women is to take the fight direct to their doorsteps and places of work.

A small step forward is to support the 30th January initiative.

The comments under Biden’s videos are all turned off. Trump never did that, no matter the constant vitriol he was receiving. And then there’s the very low number of views and the dislike ratio, which can’t be contained even with YouTube interfering.
And i find it kinda funny (but mostly infuriating) how the Guardian now place the same message under all their articles, saying that now that Biden is president, the press is finally free. Well, i don’t remember any press (or individuals, for that matter) being banned while Trump was president for saying bad things about him, even lying. But i certainly remember the New York Post being banned over exposing Biden’s deals with China. So we’re at the point where the press is covering up press censorship. Incredible.

This screenshot shows it clearly the manipulation.

Plus if you watch the inaugranation video on youtube fishy things happen to the numbers as well.

Yep. As i was saying, even with YouTube interference, the videos still have more dislikes than likes.

I don’t see any of them being banned from twitter. Free press? When they have spent the last four years pushing fake Russian collusion lies without any restrictions. From day one they pushed impeachment with zero restrictions. Joe signs an EO and 70,000 pipeline workers lose their jobs and they print…. fuck all. Oh yes the free press!

Burns night tonight or has the fish women banned it?

She will be havin a haggis supper fir hrrr teeeee the night

If you haven’t signed the petition yet please can you consider doing so and share it around.

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com

https://www.bitchute.com/video/q1jmVOMYPzpm/

HENNA MARIA – THE TEN STAGES OF GENOCIDE

Can’t really disagree with any of this. Worthy of sharing in the hope it might wipe the sleep from the eyes of the dozing masses

Just going to shovel snow so to warm myself up before going outside I sent this to my MP copied to some notable other MPs who are fighting abck:

Sir (but copied to various other MPs)

You are my Member of Parliament.

My response to the latest fearporn masquerading as an advertisement on the TV from our Government I sent the Prime Minister amongst others a few days ago is below.

Will anyone who is complicit in the destruction of this country have the courage to look at me face-to-face and answer me with facts and figures and coherent reasons?

And no-“to save the NHS” or “if it saves just one life” are not valid factual arguments but an attempt at emotional blackmail.

And yet again Mr MP, Parliament has been treated with total contempt by the Government renewing and extending the legislation for another 6 months without a meaningful vote or discussion. Weren’t you promised this previously and nearly all of you buckled and accepted it a few months ago? Nothing changed then has it for all Matt Hancock’s blah blah blah to Parliament.

Regards

Begin forwarded message:

Subject: my take on the look them in the eye adverts

Date: 24 January 2021 at 13:51:48 GMT

Look ME in the eye and tell ME:

why your life was worth saving

why your granny’s life was worth saving

my business was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life

my retirement was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life

why my wife’s mental health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life

why my wife’s physical health was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life

why my son’s career was worth sacrificing to save your miserable life

why the country was worth sacrificing to save your miserable political career

Well said

Update on the barmy bench saga. This is the response from the council:

Dear XXXX

Thank you for your email and we note your concerns.

On Friday afternoon the Council had requests from the enforcing authorities to close off completely or remove the benches across the town however as a first resort the Council choose to place signs on the benches in Jubilee Gardens in the expectation people would read them and not sit on them , eating or drinking which is not allowed under the current legislation, the other alternative was and is to remove the benches completely which would involve costly expenditure. This may well be where the Council goes if people do not comply with current legislation.

This was done late Friday afternoon and we ran out of time to do the Square and The Common which are due to be done today(Monday).

The enforcement is a matter for the police and not the Town Council as all we can do is encourage and try and educate people not to stay or sit around.

It was interesting to see that on Sunday without the Market the Square was busier than Saturday so the constant criticism about the market encouraging people to hang around really does not hold water.

He is lying, the signs were put on the benches on Friday lunch time, so the lack of time excuse does not, in his words, hold water. In fact, the guy fixing the signs arrived about 10 minutes after the EHO woman had left. There was plenty of time to put signs on all the other benches.

The argument against removing the benches altogether is that it would involve “costly expenditure”? (As opposed to non-costly expenditure?) So “if only we could afford it, we’d remove everything everywhere and abolish congregation in perpetuity”?

Yeah, and we’d teach you nasty coffee drinkers a lesson …

So nobody is allowed to sit on the council signs, all eating and drinking is banned, and the alternative alternative is costly cost? Well that clears that up.

So you don’t need to wear a mask when eating or drinking, but you’re not allowed to eat or drink cause you must wear a mask… Also know as: “How to give away freedoms without actually giving away any freedoms”

Which legislation is he referring to?

Precisely. The customer who he sent this drivel to is following it up. If we complain, they will just ignore.

He’s making up his own rules because this would prevent individuals from sitting down and, perhaps, eat something.

Who are the “enforcing authorities”?
As usual, such bad grammar and punctuation. Has the council not paid their subscription to “grammarly”?

I presume he had his orders from the EHO. The signs, despite what he asserts, were fixed about ten minutes after her visit.

Manual trades in local government very often do finish at lunchtime on Friday. That gives them more opportunity to earn overtime. The unions absolutely stiffed the employers years ago and the legacy remains, though is dwindling.

AKA: Making things up as we go along.

Jesus wept.

When the most gullible and apathic population meets the most destructive and zealous opposition, the most incompetent and most lustfully autocratic government, the most unfit health system and public health officials, this is what you get.

and when truth is destroyed by excessive fraud, data manipulation and fiction posing as science….when common sense is usurped by the cult of science….

I agree with all you say, but when you say they’re ‘incompetent’ – what do you mean?

Indeed. Other adjectives might be more appropriate. Our masters don’t mind in the slightest if we call them incompetent.

Nearly a year and I still don’t know anybody who’s died of this deadly disease.

I don’t either, but I tend not to hang out with already-dying old people and 25st lumps of lard.

Nearly a year and only now are we seeing some sceptics questioning whether this tyranny is deliberate rather than a big mistake (as pushed by the likes of Peter Hitchens).

I do. Friend of a friend found dead in her flat. She was self isolating due to a positive ‘covid’ test. I would imagine it was probably heart failure – it appears 999 not called – but because of that test she is a covid victim.

My god, what have we become! They cared enough to get a test but not enough to monitor if they were unwell. Brings tears to my eyes. My god what have we become.

More significantly – the number of people who have died from the disease is a black hole of data.

I know of a bloke in Somerset who got it a Cheltenham races and sadlidied, he was 49. My Dad talked to a bloke who knows a bloke in Exeter who died of it and I talked to a woman about 4 months ago on the phone who’s hubby died of it, well he was in his 80’s very immobile, had a fall, got a serious head injury went into a steep decline then got covids and sadili died…but ummmm
Oh yer and I talked to a bloke in Toolstatiion who know who knows a bloke who died of it…he did have hear issues but otherwise 100% health for a 70 yr old.
AND a girl who works in Argos, her granny died of it.

“ Mark Harper, … said: “The extension of councils’ Covid powers until July will be of great concern to those worried about their jobs and businesses.”

Yes, of course. But primarily it’s of concern to anyone interested in democracy and human rights.

Not aimed at you RichH, but jeez, understatement of the f***ing year.

Precisely. Note this also :

“ The Express has reported on some of the fighting talk of those in Parliament opposed to the restrictions.”

Talk? About all it amounts to. Fighting? Hardly – in the main and in most cases.

‘Empty wind’ would be a better description.

Indeed. This lot couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag.

To be fair to them, if it was up to them we wouldn’t be in this position. The problem isn’t them. It’s the other 600 odd MPs who are Lockdown Mullahs.

OK, but surely there is something they could do. It’s time for the talking to stop.

I share you frustration. And I also wish they would be less polite.

Oooh I could crush a grape. I am so angry I will slam down my papers. Stop, stop you are frightening me.

“Of great concern.” I’m tired to death of their woolly, “civil” parliamentary language.

Too true. Unseat the mad dictator now or they are guilty by association.

Me too, if I hear “my right honourable friend” one more time I will puke!

Time to break out this again:

“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin

Yeah great. A bit late lads. Remember you have had two chances to debate and stop this. One to stop the 6 month extension of the covid bill and one to agree the tier schemes and you did…… absolutely fuck all, just laid down and took it. So the fat pig dictator does things you disagree with, who cares you are the ones that gave him the power. Didn’t Dante have a special ring for corrupt people? I hope it includes having hot pokers shoved up their arse!

Skeptics..All of those wanting to make a difference you have the power to do so.. Remove all signage in your area, wear a banaclava if worried about CCTV, anything to do with the fake flue remove it.. encourage non social distancing,mix with households at every opportunity.. never wear a muzzle, claim exemption at all times…in this weather encourage kids to mix,snow ball fights, build a snowman etc.. just keep the pressure on never stop..

Tweak the noses of authority at every opportunity.

Every act of non-compliance is a victory.

Ignore the rules.

Purchase a Sweden flag. Hang it from a window.

Just to say that – and it should be obvious – Christopher Snowden’s article fails in its title branding anyone whom he disagrees with as a crank. He shifts the argument from matters of substance to the alleged bad people he disagrees with. This is intellectually and politically the least respectable line you could take.

Also known as an ad hominem fallacy.

Indeed

Its just the SJW way. Don’t debate facts, you cannot win. So call me a racist, homophobe, sexist, a denier a granny killer, and all pile in. Attack where you work, discredit you and review everything you have ever posted. Find the errors and sling them back. Jump rhetoric, if you believe this… you must also believe this…. even though you have never mentioned this.

Well, you can’t deny that calling people racists or nazis worked perfectly. These days all it takes is for enough people to call you a racist, and no one will listen to you, no one will invite you on talk shows or the news. We should turn the tables on them, i think.

Oh its a fantastic way to shut people up. But how did we get to a place where debate is stopped because you have upset a blue check mark on twitter?

As I stated yesterday, they have now adopted zero Covid and are intent upon imprisoning the population for good and on ruining and depressing the country ASAP, in particular the middle class.
The hotel chains are now in it too, as they realize that they won’t get any business this year, so they sell out if not demand occupation by the government.
Zero Covid will of course fail, those quarantines are happening far too late for that, and their and the policy’s success is more and more doubtful anyway in light of the constant relapses in cases in Asia Pacific countries.
I was due to buy another flat in London this month and will now probably cancel that.
Me and Mrs Bee will now also likely relocate back to Germany and take our tax payments with us for good, although it’s just as much of an inhumane hellhole, because otherwise, we cannot run our business there anymore and won’t be able to support family members when needed.
Actions have consequences, Messrs Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Patel&co.

Zero Covid is a race to the bottom and dependent on money printing

Hopefully this new group launching today can gather some support and make itself heard.

I feel that we here can’t sort this mess without organisation and direction we are all here because we feel on some level that the lockdown is wrong way to go and that the government is for some reason taking the wrong decisions. The government has got a lot of people scared and it’s worked and is still working.

I would like to see a group that works on our common problem that is we all want this to end start questioning the government on there policy’s on a grand scale perhaps why isn’t the government offering everyone vitamin supplements by make quick calculations they could do that for the whole country for a year for less than a week’s furlough cost.
ivermectin we know it’s safe for people so why not just start using it we will see very quickly weather it works or not.

How we would go about this is the problem perhaps we could reach out to the most vocal of lockdown zealots because I think we all want the same thing at the end of the day.

Got a quick reply from the FOI team at the DHSC about any research being done into the ramp up of positive test rates being linked to the vaccination programmes:

Thank you for your email.

The Freedom of Information Act only applies to recorded information such as paper or electronic archive material. As your correspondence asked for general information rather than requesting specific recorded information or documentation, it did not fall under the provisions of the Act. It will be answered as general correspondence in due course.

Yours sincerely,

FOI Team

Department of Health and Social Care

At least they have said they will answer in due course and not just replied “it’s not under the FOI so get stuffed” which some departments do (Public Health Scotland being one) so will post any reply from them when it arrives.

Watched The Matrix again recently.

20 years on, it seems as if the only thing they might have got wrong is that they were being overly optimistic that we would be kept around because the machines would need us as batteries.

The only use the machines have for us is in connecting all our brains together to generate enough data to train the machines. Google and the others are taking care of that already.

Once the AI takes over – Ray. Kurzweil who is now working on it at Google predicts in about 10-20 years (look it up) – they will have no use for us at all.

2020 was the year machines took a big step forward, captured large parts of our lives, and got humans to suppress much of their nature. We are all incarcerated now, siloed up in countries.

We may have paroles from time to time, they will be conditional and limited in time, but we will increasingly live isolated, confined existences, feeding the data into the machines, until they are ready to be done with us for good.

The Matrix claims to be based on Baudrillard’s ‘Simulacra and Simulation’ (the hollowed out book that Neo takes a minidisk out of during the ‘follow the white rabbit’ scene is actually this book), but it makes a bit of a dog’s breakfast of it and misses the point (and ends up being more like Plato’s allegory of the cave).

Simulacra and Simulation isn’t the easiest book to read, Baudrillard does disappear up his own arse in a way only a French Postmodernist philosopher can a lot of the time, but his ideas about simulations of reality are useful and accurate when thinking about why evangelists and sceptics seem seperated by such a wide gulf.

This is a decent short summary of his ideas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCgoKIT0Ufc&t=2s

Was it you who was recommending Baudrillard a few days ago? If not: agreed; JB has many interesting ideas if you’re prepared to get beyond his style of writing- the style is typically-French, not just typically-French Postmodernist, unfortunately.
If it was you, pls. disregard this missive!

It was I, yes.

Ca plane, kiddo!

The fixed penalty notice process

1 An authorised person may issue a notice/fine

2 If the ‘fine’ is paid within 28days the fine is halved and that is the end of the matter

3 After 28 days and up to the time a summons is issued the fine can still be paid. This would also conclude the matter

4 Any any time the state can withdraw the notice/fine

5 At any time the state can ask you to agree to a caution in lieu of the notice/fine. You have to consent to a caution. The state cannot impose a caution without your consent

6 If the state still wishes to pursue the matter they must submit a full written file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service. Only the CPS can make a decision to prosecute you. If the CPS decide to prosecute you they must lay an ‘information’ in a Magistrates Court requesting that you are issued with a summons to appear in court

7 If summons is issued and the case proceeds to court then the state must prove it’s case. The state must produce it’s witnesses in court and they are required to give evidence on oath and submit themselves to cross examination. Evidence may be given to disprove the state’s claims

8 The Magistrates will decide if you are guilty or not

9 The ‘information’ must be laid within six months of the date of the alleged offence. If this six month limit is not complied with the notice/fine/summons are void

10 If you ignore the summons and do not turn up in court the case can be heard in your absence and you can be found guilty and fined in your absence

The state would like you to shut up and pay the fine at the earliest opportunity. The system is incentivised to achieve compliance. The system is rigged to avoid the state being challenged

Surprising then that there has not been one case where an individual has said ‘go on prove it’ and challenged the state in court. Not one case in nearly 12 months

In my own case the state deliberately let the six months expire

Why?

Thank you so much for posting this – very helpful.

It’s a tricky game of risk, isn’t it? If you pay up within 14 days or whatever it costs you £100 and you don’t get a criminal record. If you refuse and it does go to court and you lose, it costs an awful lot more and you get a criminal record. But what are the chances of that happening? Interesting to hear about your experience.

What happens if you then push it to the end – go to court and lose – and still refuse to pay whatever fine is imposed?
These offences are non recordable offences, according to Liberty, so do not carry a prison sentence or criminal record. What would happen then?

Non-payment of a court imposed fine is an imprisonable offence, I believe. That’s what you would go to prison for, not the original offence.

Though these days I believe they can steal your property instead of carting you off to prison.

Thanks for the info.
The ‘optics’ of that would look interesting…

But a record IS kept. For an enhanced DBS, the police can reveal any old information they hold that THEY consider might be useful.

“Non-recordable” doesn’t mean you don’t get a criminal record. According to this information from Liberty, if it goes to court and you lose then you do get a criminal record.

cheers.

Precedent – if they can’t prove the case just once, they can’t prove any of them and the whole thing can no longer be enforced.

Because in court you can ask them to justify their actions by supplying the evidence used to back-up the legislation and so on.

They can’t so don’t want to risk it.

Is it possible to put up some sort of link somewhere so that this can be saved on Facebook please?

Next to the red flag at the top of the comment there’s a sort of chain icon which you can click on to get a permanent link to the comment. The one for the comment you’re replying to is https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/01/25/latest-news-265/#comment-377666 .

Was out for a drive down to the sea front at the weekend with a friend and was absolutely blown away by how many people were out and about. Car parks full, traffic jams, thousands of people of all ages walking dogs, families, kids on bikes, etc. Little in the way of social distancing. Not a muzzle in sight. Have only ever seen the place like that on a red hot summers day and this was freezing. Gave me a few brief moments of joy and hope.

People have nowhere else to go.

My regular haunt is the seafront, very occasional masked up person, busy, children in the playground, just as it always has been..

The intention to turn the future into a boot stamping on a masked face forever seems crystal clear now doesn’t it?

As the inevitably catastrophic impacts of lockdown really begin to make themselves felt, so the attacks on lockdown sceptics intensify. All deaths and all damages to society are now our fault.

Friday’s announcement that any vaccine will be far less effective against new strains of SARS-CoV-2 was effectively an admission that it will fail, and that restrictions will continue indefinitely. This also is the fault of lockdown sceptics, presumably for not believing in the solution enough. Anyone who refuses to take it will no doubt be accused of being a murderer.

We are through the looking glass here, occupying a parallel universe where everything is completely inverted. Increasingly I am finding it very difficult to regard society with anything but the utmost contempt. The level of absurdity is so great that complete withdrawal from it is getting easier and easier.

You only need propaganda when necessary. They’ve never needed it for the flu vaccine. They do for this, because the majority know something is seriously amiss with the whole concept.

This is the first pandemic in history that needed a marketing campaign. They usually market themselves effectively. With, ya know, corpses everywhere and suchlike.

Its the first disease in history where you need a test to tell you if you are ill. And where you are financially rewarded if you manage to catch it!

I am finding it very difficult to regard society with anything but the utmost contempt.

My thoughts exactly.

Couldn’t agree more.

Yes. The vast majority of people now actively disgust me.

I’m an enemy of the state, an enemy of the people and the only realistic future I see for myself is one of near-reclusion, having relinquished almost everything and learned to love simplicity. (I already love solitude, fortunately.)

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Links to nothing

Article on the vaccine deaths with comments by doctors.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/944478

Thanks for the link, there’s a great quote on the comments that we could adopt:

“All truth goes through three stages, first it is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed and finally it is accepted as obvious.”

Arthur Schopenhauer

I like some of the other comments too. Obviously there are both sides of the argument there as there should be.
I like that 2 doctors said it’s always a Covid death if the victim has comorbidities, never the other conditions but for the vaccine it is always the other conditions not the vaccine.
I am also concerned by the doctor who finds the yellow card reporting fails when she tries to use it. I wonder how common that is.

“… a group of psychologist have written to the their professional body objecting to the Government’s use of fear tactics…”

I think that’s vital for the reputation of the profession.

The SPI-B Goebbels & Mengele Memorial Group need to be prevented from membership of any professional body related to the discipline that they have sullied.

They should do like the GMC and strike down any psychologist who has colluded with this nonsense. Strip them of their doctorates & professional qualifications and render them unfit to practise.

And while we’re at it, the likes of the GMC, GDC and the Nursing & Midwifery Council should also strike off those who have been in dereliction of their duty and peddling misinformation. Yes, I’m looking at you Hillary Jones & Sarah Jarvis for a start.

Good morning. Can anyone recommend…or even just point me in the direction of…a solicitor firm that can assist someone (retailer) with prohibition notice issues? I’d be most grateful.
UK based, ideally with presence in South East UK.

Apparently Tilbrooks are your first port of call for sceptical-sympathetic solicitors:

https://www.tilbrookssolicitorsessex.co.uk/

Tilbrook’s Solicitors
Quires Green
Willingale
Essex
CM5 0QP
Telephone : 01277 896 000
FAX: 01277 896 050

Thank you Mark

Protests in Denmark and Holland. Restaurants opening in the Czech Republic. Let’s hope Saturday’s Great opening up here take off.
https://www.rt.com/news/513495-denmark-lockdown-protest-fire/

When the government have finished trashing the economy, and have no taxes coming in, where do they get the money from to exist?

Same way they get it now – make it appear on a computer screen at the push of a button.

The same place they normally do – the Bank of England.

Spending comes first. Taxation comes afterwards as a consequence of the spending and re-spending of the money as it passes from hand to hand. Not getting tax just means people are saving, not spending.

You can very quickly do the mathematics that shows government will get 100% of their spending back as tax for any positive tax rate you pick – as long as nobody saves any of their money when they get it.

Taxes for revenue has been an obsolete concept since the 1930s at least. The ability of the government to spend from the Bank is in an 1866 Act.

Masks don’t stop you getting viruses. Taxes are irrelevant to government supply.

It all depends on whether a nation (read: currency) is a net importer or exporter. If the latter all is well and the government can spend all it wants. If the former, the currency will devalue.

I noticed yesterday an exchange with a moderator on here. That’s new. I didn’t think there were any mods here other than those employed to remove the occasional spam links that may appear.

I’m disappointed in Toby, a prominent free speech campaigner, but hardly surprised. He always comes across as quite uptight in his London Calling podcasts with James Delingpole. I would have thought he were more naturally inclined to the oppression of free speech.

Perhaps my fears are unfounded in this regard.

The problem with speech moderators is that while they might smugly proclaim that they want to “protect” free speech (it needs protection?) they are in fact doing the opposite.

Making value judgments about the speech of another is an entirely subjective exercise – what moral right do you have to shut someone else up? What right have you to censor their words? Who are you to sit in judgment?

Offence? That’s a personal matter. As Brendan O’Neill points out (I paraphrase), “You have the right to be offended.”

You really don’t have to take another personally. I find that difficult, but I learn. Letting go of grudges is a good start. Again, who are you to judge another?

What one person might find offensive another may not. That is particularly true of “bad” language. Some are happy with effing and blinding. (I do that sometimes).

Who moderates the moderators?

And I’ve noticed today the small red flag – top right of comments if the cursor hovvers there. Presume that’s new also ….

It will be from the programme Toby is using to write/host the site.

His layout is very similar to other sites like this one on social media.

Company websites etc are the same – do you think comapnies like GoDaddy write an individual programme for “your” site? No they have a generic one and tweak it to suit.

All I was saying is that I hadn’t seen it before …

They’re all at it – must be new “orders” to bring in more censorship.

Christ, really? This argument has been going on in Internet forums for 20 years.

There’s always going to be someone who goes too far and posts something utterly beyond the pale. Would you put it past the lockdown zealots to come in here are start posting stuff that’ll have the police investigating LS and Toby?

The brand is valuable. It has to be protected from destruction through neglect or malice.

Post some evidence that something of value has been removed and I’ll think again about it, but I can’t see the founder of the Free Speech Society employing a censor ride roughshod over us.

Agreed.

Not only LS and Toby might be at risk, but possibly also the individual poster. Entrapping someone by inciting them to post advocating illegal acts, and then prosecuting them for it, is standard fare for J-TRIG, a SIGINT organisation which doesn’t get noticed as much as the 77th Brigade does and is doubtless very happy to keep it that way.

seems a good idea and will make the job easier for those good people who protect this site by using us to direct them to the possibly problematical posts, they have the good sense to work out which, if any, need moderation

As ever JohnP, if you don’t like it here, setup your own site where you make the rules.

There is an inherent irony in that response to comments about censorship.

Is there? ELI5 me.

I doubt very much that limiting free speech is what the moderators are doing. Unless you’ve done the job yourself, you can’t appreciate just how much CRAP gets posted on forums, whether from real people or bots.
Clickbait, scams, viruses, stolen dogs, opportunists, quizzes just designed to mine your data… you have to keep a lid on that kind of stuff or people just won’t come here anymore.

“ Perhaps my fears are unfounded in this regard .”

Only time will tell. Your fears are well founded, but will not necessarily come to pass, or come to pass too unbearably or too quickly. There is hope that we will not follow the path set by pretty much all the mainstream media and social media outlets, because of Toby’s particular position as founder of the FSU and his personal experience with cancel culture.

The establishment of a moderating structure is inevitable as a forum grows, and as AidanR pointed out, this is something that has happened endlessly since the internet began. The same arguments are hashed out again and again. I’ve been involved both as commenter and as admin/moderator since almost the beginning, and I highly doubt any new points will be raised here. As someone on the long term losing political side, who has been censored and banned from more forums than some here have had hot dinners, I’m hypersensitive to such matters. One of the things I like about LS has been that so far it was a place where you really didn’t need to know the rules – just behave sensibly, and moderating has been very light touch.

What usually happens is that moderators and systems are set up with idealistic notions of “just keeping discussion reasonable”, and initially only address obvious genuine spam, but over time moderators interpret that in accordance with their own personal and political biases, and dissenting opinions are gradually forced out as “offensive”. I’ve seen the most supposedly adamantly libertarian idealists, over time, turn their forums into rigidly controlled restricted speech zones, under pressure from either commercial or identity lobby “offence-mongers” (indeed that’s pretty much the story of the US sphere internet and social media over the past three decades).

We shall see.

There’s the voice of a man who’s speaking from experience.

I’ve also been a mod in a couple of fairly big forums, and I recognise every word you say.

Crikey, i started Off completely agreeing with John P with an uptick, then, after reading other comments, i changed to agreeing with the red flag, now after reading your comment I’m wobbling back to agreeing with John P again.

So now I am confused, and as you say, only time will tell

But do moderators really need the red flag system if their wish was to censor people who have apposing views to the moderators possible bias – I think/hope we can trust this site’s red flag management

Maybe they needed to add red flags it to counter criticism from others

That’s interesting. Someone last week started a thread about the content of a BBC article which was critical of the PCR test. I asked them if they could provide a link which they did. Later on, the whole thread had vanished.

Then they came for the pubs, and I did not speak out — Because I was not a publican and I was getting 80% of my pay to stay home.

Then they came for the unvaccinated, and I did not speak out — Because I was vaccinated and I was getting 80% of my pay to stay home.

Then they started killing people, and I did not speak out — Because I was vaccinated and I was getting 80% of my pay to stay home.

Has anyone started downloading & archiving all of the Downing St press conferences from YouTube?

They’ll probably all be disappeared soon.

When the reckoning comes, the record of all the promises they’ve made, going all the way back to “3 weeks to flatten the curve” will be important.

That should be in public archive – BBC , Ch4 etc too … but downloading might be useful. Not that anyone can be ask surely.

https://rumble.com/vcaktt-doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine.html

Doctors Around The World Issue Dire WARNING: DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCINE!!

Clear video giving the sound reasons to avoid the ‘vaccines’

Contrary to commenter BF Findlyson’s (77?) requirement my opinion is not important to add. The video speaks clearly for it’s self. It is for you to decide to watch and what to think and do. Unless, of course, BF findlayson passes by and issues a declaration that these are smug doctors jumping like rats from a ship. There is something strange about BF findlayson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Face_Finlayson

Lots of meaty stuff on LS today, reinforcing its centrality to the central issue of the times. Particularly good for me is the piece by Angus McIntosh , He highlights my own main coronapanic-related concerns for the longer term:

“ It may then take a decade or more to recover from its terrible toll of death, depression and poverty and this is tragedy enough. But potentially even more damaging for our long-term future are the lasting shifts in attitudes which the virus may leave behind.
These will be many and complex, but there are three which are particularly likely:

1. Permanently lowered public tolerance for life’s normal risks and challenges.
2. Increased popular willingness to sacrifice freedoms in pursuit of safety.
3. Greater tendency for authorities of all kinds to exploit the above.

The first two of these malign legacies represent acceleration of existing trends, rather than completely new phenomena. But the third is undergoing more of a revolution .”

The first two have indeed been accelerated by this self-inflicted cultural disaster, but they also represent key trends that both pre-dated and have enabled it. It was precisely increased “safetyism” combined with increased willingness to accept the protection of nanny state that allowed Ferguson and his ilk to get away with the totalitarian power grab described.

In a way, you could see this as a vindication of all the warnings through the C20th against those tendencies, which were denied and ridiculed as paranoid exaggerations because most simply lacked the imagination to foresee a time when people would have become so accepting of this fearful and submissive attitude that they would behave the way we have this last year.

It’s useful to track these insights back to past events, to help us understand past developments that we might not have so clearly understood at the time.

Related, is McIntosh’s observation that:

“ When governments take control of a new aspect of our lives, they assume permanent accountability for it in the public and media mind . ”

This is exactly what the establishment of the NHS did – it represented the government taking control of healthcare provision, and once that was established, so too was state accountability for health, in the public mind. From there, it was always inevitable that the authority of the state over behaviour that related to health would be strong and ever-increasing.

Arguments that individual liberty and responsibility should take precedence are crushed by the response that the costs fall on the public purse. Politicians, held responsible for public health, prioritise avoiding getting blamed for perceived bad outcomes.

This is exactly why, in so many ways, the NHS has been at the core of the UK’s particular collapse into fear-filled authoritarianism. In other countries, other issues and results pertained. The general – but by no means universal – rush to copy China’s practice represents in part a result of China’s generally raised status and influence globally by virtue of its economic advances, partly a collective panic effect, and partly just the herd instinct that says a politician can’t be effectively blamed for doing what “all the other” countries are doing, but can and will be blamed if he does something different from the global norm.

We might have hoped that the UK’s traditional famed resistance to the crushing of individual liberty would mean we would have been one of the few to resist last year’s rush to Chinese-style authoritarian collectivism. But we are not the nation we once perhaps were, and the particular form the crisis of liberty took attacked a weak spot in the UK’s defences against such authoritarianism. That weak spot had been created by state collective provision of healthcare.

Safetyism is the product of an affluent society which can afford it.

The bankruptcy and poverty to which it is currently leading us, will completely undermine it.

Isn’t it nice how these things self-rectify?

It’s true that in a situation of societal collapse, people have to fend for themselves much more. But I don’t think Russia’s experience of exactly that has resulted in a stern political respect for individual liberty and responsibility in that culture, even if it resulted for a while in people more able, of necessity, to look after themselves.

Increasing povery does destroy safetyism however.

It alo increases responsibility, because if you (or your family and social network) don’t look after yourself, then nobody else will.

Except it won’t – because bankruptcy of the nation is just as impossible as the notion that wearing a mask magically stops you getting infected. Both are fallacies of composition – projecting your individual experiences onto the macro situation.

I’m pretty sure MMT doesn’t suggest that governments should deliberately restrict economic activity and then “print” money to replace the lost income.

Debts will all be paid in nominal terms, through the destruction of the currency.

I answered your point elsewhere.

I shpuld have said ‘hyperinflation’ not ‘bankruptcy’.

Prople will still feel ‘bankrupt’ though.

Explain why the UK needed to bring in the IMF in the 1970s and explain why Zimbabwe is not a model of economic success, having practiced money printing for many decades.

The notion that the 1948 establishment of the NHS leads inevitably and directly to the fascism that was introduced on 23 March 2020 is absurd. National health care in Belarus has a much longer history, yet it did not introduce draconian restrictions. New York, in contrast, has private health care and introduced draconian restrictions, whereas, other US states, also with private health care, didn’t. There isn’t even a correlation.

Quite agree – in retrospect at its inception the NHS was a bizarre public /private hybrid in the wrong way with all the perverse and conflicting benefits and problems whereby some parts of it notably GP provision was under a private practice contractor arrangement
With an important although unwritten ‘rule’ of ensuring that the GPS filled the role of gatekeeper regarding onward specialist referral, a defacto rationing – encouraging to keeping waiting lists high which had the dual effect of showing that more resources from Gov are required due to demand and keeping the specialists lucrative private practices well stocked with patient referrals.
And to my eyes still too much of a reactive institution rather than preventative. The growth of type2 diabetes and obesity over the last 20 years is astonishing.
Having said that both Germany and France whose health provision and outcomes, which have been generally been held to be more successful than the NHS, haven’t had much effect on politics.
Although of course in the UK the NHS has been a wonderful emotional tool.
Would some of this have been so successful before the current financial state of the media and smart phones. I suspect not.

“ The notion that the 1947 establishment of the NHS leads inevitably and directly to the fascism that was introduced on 23 March 2020 is absurd . ”

I think there is a clear link, based on the cultural effects discussed.

You disagree, fine, but this is not an issue where straight national comparisons are really possible due to the complexities involved. In our culture, I think it’s pretty clear and obvious how, in our case, the NHS has promoted safetyism and the acceptance of state responsibility for health.

Yes – there’s a lot of simplistic absurdity about that serves 77th Brigade without them having to lift a finger.

Gosh, funny how it’s the people whose politics you dislike who “serve 77th Brigade”, eh? Remarkable coincidence.

the 6 ”look him in him eyes” posters above the line are brilliant! and hit the spot perfectly.

A while back an article above in the blog argued that we have to direct the message to peoples emotions as many simple don’t understand graphs or data – these posters do just that and may click peoples critically thinking switches

get the printing presses printing…….

I suggested the other evening that some of the “look him/her in the eyes” memes should be projected onto hospitals as Recovery did some months ago. Anyone in contact with Recovery who can get them to crank up their projectors again? Or anyone else got the wherewithal to do it?

Where is your line in the sand for taking bolder protest?

We sceptics owe an immense amount of gratitude to Toby et al for these daily attempts to seek out Reason. However is it not increasingly futile to challenge insanity with sanity?

When do we put down our screens?

China’s Great Covid | (asenseofplacemagazine.com)
Worth a read.

Definitely worth a read, explains a lot!