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379324 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 40, #1 of 2208 🔗

How to destroy future generations.
Would they ever forgive us?

379325 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Judy Watson, 71, #2 of 2208 🔗

They shouldn’t forgive us. I feel like those of us in our 50s have left our parents to rot in care homes and screwed over the younger generations so that we feel “safe.” Of course this doesn’t apply to the sceptics among us.

379349 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 12, #3 of 2208 🔗

Add the over 70’s to that list.
Present company exepted of course.

379652 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #4 of 2208 🔗

I wonder whether the fact that the U.S. has never elected a President who was born in the 1950s is in some way related to these generational attitudes.

379809 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, -14, #5 of 2208 🔗

Of course this doesn’t apply to the sceptics among us.

Of course it applies to sceptics when their scepticism is no more than virtue signalling to say “not in my name” , or some other hopeless platitude. In fact I would argue it makes sceptics doubly culpable for seeing the problems but refusing to act. The post-Corona trials will doubtless judge sceptics accordingly.

380814 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #6 of 2208 🔗

Those who oppose the crimes are twice as guilty as those who commit the crimes or are wilfully blind. I wonder how this doctrine would be applied in the courts.

380915 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #7 of 2208 🔗

This is to wilfully (using your term) misrepresent my point. Many ‘lockdown sceptics’ are failing to actively oppose the government, they simply like to adopt the LS label. Many avowed sceptics regularly defend, justify or even excuse the government’s draconian actions.
Unless scepticism manifests itself in political and social action then it cannot be said to be opposing anything at all; indeed the sceptic’s very lack of action could be seen as negligent at the very least ( and this IS an established legal doctrine ).
Thus to have the knowledge of the scam being pulled yet fail (for whatever reason) to use this knowledge to prevent the scam is FAR worse than being a lockdown believer/advocate.

380953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #8 of 2208 🔗

You appear to think that words are not political actions, which is a very eccentric doctrine, to say the least.

381169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #9 of 2208 🔗

Words can be deemed to be political actions in some but not all circumstances, a distinction long made in philosophy and literature. Expressions including “deeds, not words ” or “talk the talk etc.” arise from this distinction.
Simply stating a general disbelief or disagreement on a like-minded LS comment thread would struggle to be classed as a ‘political act’, while stating anti-lockdown views when standing in the middle of a group of angry lockdown fundamentalists or government defending Tory voters would be different.
Similarly criticising school closures on these pages is not a political act, but the Cumbrian schoolgirl’s placard certainly is.
By extension, if one believes that vaccines are dangerous and can back up that belief, the act of withholding information becomes ethically problematic – even if the current media laws aim to prevent sharing of such info. “I was following orders” (or laws) is not a recognised defence for inaction in the face of a harmful act.

379933 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #10 of 2208 🔗

Except the propaganda machine have the youth so thoroughly terrify that they probably will forgive the older generations.

380808 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #11 of 2208 🔗

”US”? I didn’t. And I wouldn’t have.

381020 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #12 of 2208 🔗

The Netherlands preparing for a 4th night of anti lockdown riots.
Not all windmills, clogs and cheese then.

381086 ▶▶▶ David101, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #13 of 2208 🔗

The trouble is, it’s becoming harder and harder to voice skeptical opinion in the public domain, especially if you’re a high profile commentator, as it’s started to be viewed by many among the orthodox crowd as an “oxygenation” of ideas that might lead to people’s death. Obviously that argument can be turned on its head and applied equally to the lockdown zealots themselves, but the level of media-brainwashing has lead to those people being nearly impossible to convince about the importance of contextualized and long-term thinking. They really have just been plugged into a brain-washing-machine and left on a “spin” cycle!

379326 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 38, #14 of 2208 🔗

Does anyone have any more information?

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them


30th January t here is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing

Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?

More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

379331 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 61, #15 of 2208 🔗

If 80 people show up maskless and armed with shovels and pitchforks at each shop, pub, restaurant, bar… all over the Country, this lockdown bullsh*t will be over in an hour. There aren’t enough cops to enforce grand scale civil disobedience! Power in numbers.

379332 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 38, #16 of 2208 🔗

I was saddened yesterday to read that over 40 shops have shut permanently because of Lockdown back in the small nice (about 100,000) city I’ve come from and, if Lockdown carries on much longer, there will be over half of them shut permanently by this. This is probably typical and in fact poorer cities and towns are probably doing even worse.

379485 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to ElizaP, 19, #17 of 2208 🔗

If this goes on all year with some minor tier restrictions over the summer the damage will be horrendous. The Conservative Party believes in enterprise…my arse it does.

380747 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #18 of 2208 🔗

If this goes on all year, there will be nothing left to open.

381052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #19 of 2208 🔗

Exactly. And shop and pub owners going on about how they’ll be fined and have their licenses taken…WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DON’T REOPEN ?? YOU‘LL BE JUST AS CLOSED AND BANKRUPT might as well take a chance and reopen!

379335 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #20 of 2208 🔗

New info over on the LDS group over on Gab (scraped from Telegram)
The Grand Reopening https://gab.com/groups/23021
Vaccine injuries and deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054
Britfam https://gab.com/groups/21

381340 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to Crystal Decanter, #21 of 2208 🔗

Can’t access Telegram.

379451 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #22 of 2208 🔗

There is a large group on Telegram here:


Also local groups in most areas.

381341 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo Emilian, replying to Basileus, #23 of 2208 🔗

Have problems installing it.

381011 ▶▶▶ commononsense, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #24 of 2208 🔗

its not just hospitality, its all independant shops and businesses.. there is a telegram group.. its pretty chaotic, a lot of noise.. the main thing to note is the speed at which this national network has evolved, but I think their success may be limited. The idea was that there was an organised and concerted effort to contact all small businesses by postcode and get as many as possible on board. I cant see much of that actually going on in the group I’ve signed up with.

379330 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #25 of 2208 🔗

I’d say the answer to that one is quite clear. No – they definitely won’t forgive us.

379472 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to ElizaP, 2, #26 of 2208 🔗

Not in my name!

379386 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #27 of 2208 🔗

They won’t and we forget at our own peril that they’re the adults of tomorrow who will take charge of our care and purse strings when we’re no longer able to. The future generation can exact their revenge via the two things I just mentioned.

We have been warned.

379474 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #28 of 2208 🔗

Oh, Not in my name, do not lump me in the we camp….

379552 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to cloud6, 3, #29 of 2208 🔗

I agree. Not in my name too but unfortunately we will be lumped together with the lockdownistas when the younger generation unleash their vengeance in the future.

379476 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #30 of 2208 🔗

The problem is, we’ll be lumped in with the criminals, who’ve been complicit in this crime. Not all Germans were Nazis, yet their punishment was collective. We’ll all be labelled sympathisers, if we don’t stop this shit-show.

379555 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 5, #31 of 2208 🔗

Exactly. We need to act to cushion whatever damage occurs and now while much of the damage is still reversible.

380822 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jinks, #32 of 2208 🔗

What was the collective punishment?

379423 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #33 of 2208 🔗

Not in my name.

379464 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #34 of 2208 🔗

Hang on, do not lump me into the forgive us camp, not in my name……

379549 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #35 of 2208 🔗

The passivity and feelings of powerlessness are, of course, taught in the daily exposure to Covid-19 news, which never broaches the fact that “Covid-19” is not real.

Home school. The neighbourhood. Leave their system.

Let My People Go; How Organising In A Legally Cultural Separate Enclave Destroys Pharaoh

380585 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #36 of 2208 🔗

Do these people care? It’s not THEIR children who will suffer. They want to take us back to the ”us and them” days when their children will get the best of everything and ours will just have to struggle with the rest.

381004 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Judy Watson, #37 of 2208 🔗


379327 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #38 of 2208 🔗

Five Years Since The End Of The Earth

Tony Heller

Fifteen years ago today, Nobel Laureate Al Gore said global warming would burn up the planet in ten years.


379328 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #39 of 2208 🔗

Winter of Discontent: Brits Face Power Rationing as Wind Power Output Collapses (again and again)
by stopthesethings

Brits expecting their thousands of wind turbines to deliver the goods this winter have been disappointed, yet again. While Boris Johnson peddles his delusional plan to run the UK entirely on breezes and bluster, the typical (and wholly expected) collapse in wind power output across Britain this winter provides a taste of things to come. […]

379329 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 29, #40 of 2208 🔗

And nobody recycles the blades. They just get dumped in landfills. Super sustainable and environmentally friendly 🙄 🙄 🙄

379346 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Elisabeth, 11, #41 of 2208 🔗

Someone actually saying what I’ve been thinking for years – every time I look at one, I think God, that’s bloody massive – I really hope they’ve thought about the upkeep of that and what happens to it when some other energy source becomes the way to make money.

379367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to LS99, 9, #42 of 2208 🔗

They have a short life span and aren’t so Eco friendly afterall.

379390 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Elisabeth, 16, #43 of 2208 🔗

it’s not about saving the planet, just as the scamdemic is not about saving lives

379633 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #44 of 2208 🔗

If we were serious about cutting our CO2 emissions we’d be building lots of nuclear reactors, like France did in the ’70s and ’80s.

379958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to GCarty80, #45 of 2208 🔗

I agree. Trouble is, who’s building our reactors? The Chinese. I read they even run some wind farms ffs. We will rue the day.

380704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GCarty80, #46 of 2208 🔗

Fusion reactors, not fission. If you must use fission, then use Thorium, not uranium or plutonium.

381065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to GCarty80, #47 of 2208 🔗

Right… and people whining about where to put the spent radioactive material? Why, right back wherever came from. It was radioactive when it came OUT of the ground after all!! It’s less so going back in!

379470 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Elisabeth, 10, #48 of 2208 🔗

Not to mention the thousands of tons of concrete left in the earth and the millions of miles of power-lines connecting up these ‘green’ bird-choppers.

379935 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #49 of 2208 🔗

Oh, I can imagine an excellent repurposing of those blades…something along the lines of the French Revolution. Though we’d need a jolly big basket!

379383 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #50 of 2208 🔗

We’ve been kicking the can down the road on this one for years. It’s a miracle that we haven’t had widespread powercuts before now.

379430 ▶▶▶▶ Tangelo, replying to Puddleglum, 5, #51 of 2208 🔗

We have. In August 2019 the Hornsea One wind farm went down in very windy weather while they were going for a sustainable energy record. The National Grid even boasted about it. Then they blamed it on the back-up gas stations not coming on quick enough. It disrupted mist of the rail system for days.

379525 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Tangelo, 11, #52 of 2208 🔗

Germany would have continual power cuts because of its reliance on ‘renewables’. Only reason it does not is that they take power from CzR to plug the gaps. CzR relies mostly on nuclear power, which it is expanding. Germany’s antinuclear stance is built on a lie.

379635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #53 of 2208 🔗

Nuclear NIMBYs — I guess they take a fair amount of French nuclear power too.

379458 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #54 of 2208 🔗

You can get the actual data on energy generation and consumption here:


Things look tight at the moment, but my optimistic view is that the weather will probably change.

380043 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basileus, 9, #55 of 2208 🔗

But here’s the thing. When you make everyone work from home our needs go up. So our heating and light is on most days, 3 computers running in work hours. So if somebody had bothered to look at costs of lockdown this should have been at the top of the list. What’s that, you haven’t done that yet?? What a splendid government this is.

380382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Spikedee1, #56 of 2208 🔗

You would think so Spikedeel, but in fact the total demand is not much changed from this time last year.

381088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Spikedee1, #57 of 2208 🔗

I don’t know that it’s that much less actually. Most heating systems are more efficient if they’re not having to deal with too big of a temperature gradient. So reducing your thermostat setting to 12 C /55F during the day just makes it run more to catch up Later. We have ours at 20C /68 F and wear a sweater. We do have a ground source heat pump which is much more efficient than many other heating and cooling options. Also while working from home you ARE saving gas if you’re not driving to work.

379713 ▶▶▶ FooledAgain, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #58 of 2208 🔗

Well, there certainly is enough hot air and bluster coming from Boris and Co. Seriously, though, whenever I hear “green agenda” I think of another meaning of “green” – naivety!

379950 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #59 of 2208 🔗

The massive flatulence of the self serving junta running the country is a more reliable source of energy.

379336 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #60 of 2208 🔗

Tuvalu was supposed to have sunk beneath the waves by now.

379393 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #61 of 2208 🔗

Rather than sinking beneath the waves, it is actually bigger.

381338 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, #62 of 2208 🔗

I believe Greenland is too!

379466 ▶▶ iane, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #63 of 2208 🔗

Yes – and there is no roll-back on the AGW lies, 4 decades on from the start. I used to think the truth will out on that, but the juggernaut still rolls on; will the covid insanity last as long???

379571 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 22, #64 of 2208 🔗

I’ve noticed the green agenda seeping through gradually over the years. On the one hand, I’m happy to see useful things being done for the environment such as clearing up waste and producing less junk (looking at you, billions of synthetic masks…). But on the other, I’m doubtful this will make any difference – and in fact may make things worse. The fact that you’d need to flatten forests to make sufficient space for solar panel farms, or disrupt marine and avian life to erect thousands of turbines and rob the Earth of all of its rare materials to produce batteries… hmm… It’s almost as if the green agenda is not so green afteralll…

379333 Annie, replying to Annie, 44, #65 of 2208 🔗

The poor mother, and the poor child whom she strangled (story linked to above).

Official response:

Olga Freeman had loved and cared for Dylan for many years, but the strain and pressures of her son’s severe and complex special needs had built up and that, combined with her impaired mental health, led to heartbreaking consequences.

What isn’t even mentioned??? Were you eagle-eyed enough to notice?


379434 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 25, #66 of 2208 🔗

The lockdownistas should look at that mother in the eye and tell her that the lockdowns have destroyed her and her son’s life.

Of course the cowards won’t do it…..if it saves one life….

379334 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 23, #67 of 2208 🔗

New info over on the LDS group over on Gab (scraped from Telegram_


The Grand Reopening https://gab.com/groups/23021
Vaccine injuries and deaths https://gab.com/groups/6054
Britfam https://gab.com/groups/21

379658 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #68 of 2208 🔗

Is there a source for that (an Italian newspaper perhaps?) I can see that the Italian PM is resigning, but not sure if that’s connected.. I don’t see any mention of lockdowns though.

379337 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 77, #69 of 2208 🔗


The 14-year-old’s poem atl sums it up. I understand the feeling totally and I’m in my forties.

I’m treading water in my career, feeling like I’m a collaborator and a coward because I need the wage to support my family.

I have a wonderful family and that gives me purpose- to provide for them, to protect my children, to support my wife.

I am also a Christian which gives me something outside myself to look to.

But for those who are young, or single or widowed… What is the point?

We have to keep the flame of humanity alive. I think it’s as basic and vital as that. We need to make sure that we are saying by our words and actions that there is a point. That there is meaning to life. That each person means something.

We are not automatons. We are not mice in a lab. We are not mere pieces of meat to be ordered about and experimented on.

We are human beings. We are born free and although flawed and prone to evil we will not let that evil conquer us.

Stand up. Stay strong. Fight the battle.

Do it today for yourself, your children and for humanity.

379338 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #70 of 2208 🔗

And God is with us, alleluia.

379384 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #71 of 2208 🔗

If I had no children I would have been in Tanzania by now, I wouldn’t still be languishing in this shit-hole, waiting to be sent to the gulag

381292 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #72 of 2208 🔗

My friend buggered off to Tanzania just before Christmas to escape this shitshow.

379854 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ed Phillips, 37, #73 of 2208 🔗

I am a widower. I tried hard to commit suicide some months ago when I realised my small company was destroyed by the lockdown. But I survived, I believe due to God’s intervention (a chain of events I won’t describe but were unlikely in the extreme. ). Since then I have become determined to see this thing through, and hopefully live long enough to see the culprits punished.

379886 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to redbirdpete, 19, #74 of 2208 🔗

You were not trying to commit suicide. What you did, was you survived the government’s attempt to MURDER you! I’m so glad you survived. And I hope you understand, you’re not to blame. X

380750 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jinks, 2, #75 of 2208 🔗

Well said, Jinks!

That’s definitely a more accurate way of looking at it.

381008 ▶▶ james007, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #76 of 2208 🔗

Just in case you haven’t heard of this podcast, two vicars against lockdowns, believing (controversially) that churches ought not to shut down. Sorry ‘go online’. I have found it a comfort:


It is really lonely being anti-lockdown and trying to be a Christian. No one understands.

379339 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 12, #77 of 2208 🔗

I note the thing that a reader has found re the State being obliged to cover the cost of “appropriate” accommodation for quarantine purposes for those returning to Britain – but I don’t think that kite will fly. The reason being who defines what is meant by “appropriate” and I can’t somehow see the Government agreeing with what these returning travellers will deem to be “appropriate” standard somehow. Appropriate could well be deemed to mean = well you’ve got a bed (a camp-bed there in some huge impersonal building with all the other travellers). Well you’ve got food (whatever “cheap and cheerful” rubber-bread sandwiches and junk food cereals we care to throw at you). Job done – somewhere to sleep and something to eat – but it won’t be a decent hotel with decent breakfast and there won’t be tv to watch/decent surroundings generally. So that idea isn’t going to be a runner.

379343 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to ElizaP, 23, #78 of 2208 🔗

Of course it isn’t. It will be ignored like everything else. The woman who wrote her letter to Priti Patel is of course stating obvious human truths, but she will be ignored. Ever since this began, the government has ignored everybody except its menagerie of pseudoscientist psychopaths. It will continue to do so. Anyone living abroad and wishing or needing to return to Pudding Island can just get stuffed.

379344 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #79 of 2208 🔗

Pudding Island? Do I scent a Gerald Durrell fan?

379353 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 7, #80 of 2208 🔗

You scent a great fan of both Gerald and Lawrence. In different moods, of course.

379369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #81 of 2208 🔗

I can never take Laurence seriously because of my mental pictures of Larry.

379380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Annie, 5, #82 of 2208 🔗

I love the Alexandria Quartet and I’m learning to love the Avignon Quintet. And the wonderful travelogue he wrote at the end of his life, about Provence, with the magnificent title “Caesar’s Vast Ghost”. I’m sure Gerald mocked the hell out of him for being arty-farty and he mocked the hell out of Gerald for the animal obsession, but they both had the greatest respect for each other too. It was Lawrence who urged Gerald on to write and assured him he had the talent to make a success of it.

Poor old Leslie didn’t do so well, though. That always casts a bit of a shadow.

379412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #83 of 2208 🔗

Yes, Leslie was a sad case.
I do think that Prospero’s Cell is an absolute gem. I’m intrigued by the story of the fisherman who caught octopuses with love, which Gerald and Lawrence both tell. I wonder if it ever really happened.

379409 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, #84 of 2208 🔗

I’ve only read Esprit de Corps. Laugh out loud funny. Must read some of his other stuff.

379350 ▶▶▶ LaurenceEyton, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 10, #85 of 2208 🔗

Hang on there. Anyone can return to whom £1,500 is easily affordable. It’s only the riff-raff who can’t afford that who “can just get stuffed.”

379352 ▶▶▶▶ LaurenceEyton, replying to LaurenceEyton, 5, #86 of 2208 🔗

Riff-raff like me, that is.

379358 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to LaurenceEyton, 8, #87 of 2208 🔗

I hope you know I was speaking in the voice of an imagainary zealot. I too am one of the riff-raff.

380061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #88 of 2208 🔗

Has anyone ascertained if this is just for visitors to the UK? Or will it be for people coming back from holiday (who have probably had to have a test to get on the plane? They cannot mean if I go to Spain for two weeks on an all inclusive I need to book a hotel (aka prison) for two weeks when I get home?

380817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #89 of 2208 🔗

Yes, that’s exactly what they mean.

If you follow up the links to Agenda 21 and the Great Reset, it is quite obvious that they intend to push this (hence the “Green Agenda”) via the removal of the ability of most people to travel. At a stroke, this reduces the “Carbon Footprint” of everyone, but not to our benefit.

They intend that nobody outside “the Elite” will be allowed to travel in private vehicles (railways only for the rest of us, that’s why HS2 is being pushed so hard). Everyone will be forced off the land and into micro-flats, which are already in production. Only the elite will be able to travel in the wild areas of Britain (in what we would refer to as “the countryside”) and all village properties will be re-wilded.

You’ll own nothing (substantial) and the population will be reduced by a combination of bad health and hunger.

None of this is hidden; it’s all there in plain sight. It’s just that people can’t bring themselves to understand how easily this can be forced to happen if a tiny minority hold the financial levers of power.

379340 Annie, replying to Annie, 51, #90 of 2208 🔗

The way the Fascist beasts keep snatching away the slightest breath of hope reminds me of a novel and a story.

The novel is Ivan Denisovich , where the hero/author says that people who had spent years in the Soviet camps would reach the day of their projected release, only to be told that their sentences had been extended for another ten years.

The story is by Alfred de Vigny. A prisoner of the Inquisition thinks he’s found a way of escape, the night before he is due to be burned alive. At the very last minute, they nab him as they always planned to. And the Inquisitor wraps him in a loving embrace, saying with tender reproach, ‘My son, surely you did not dream of leaving us?’

Apply those psychological torture tactics to 67 million people and you have the Bozo-Dungford-Turdgeon shitshow.

379389 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Annie, 11, #91 of 2208 🔗

One line from Ivan Denisovich that has always stuck in my mind: “How can a man who is warm understand a man who is cold?”

379413 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #92 of 2208 🔗

O who can hold a fire in his hand
By thinking on the frosty Caucasus?

379501 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Annie, 1, #93 of 2208 🔗

Brilliant book

379341 LaurenceEyton, replying to LaurenceEyton, 11, #94 of 2208 🔗

Having been through a 14-day quarantine on arriving in Taiwan in late November (wife visiting her family) I’m not opposed to quarantine programs per se. What does bother me is the hotel aspect of it.
In Taiwan you are allowed to quarantine in a hotel if you have no home or at home as long as its facilities are exclusively for your use (no spaces shared with anyone else). My in-laws had a second home in the countryside at which my wife and I quarantined, with them visiting us a couple of times to leave a box of food at the front door. If you don’t have family to do this, the local government will see to it that you get stuff. Now I realize that people have been asked to quarantine at home in the UK but basically don’t bother. Taiwan solved this by putting an app on your moble phone which monitors your location 24/7 and alerts the authorities if you move. Don’t have a mobile? They will lend you one. There have been a number of cases of people who let their batteries die and the phone switch off only to get a visit from the police to find out where they were an hour or so later. People could leave their phones at home and go out, I guess, but the penalties for that are severe (£25,000 fine) and almost everyone agrees that the policy is fair and should be followed (i.e. they trust the government).
Anyway, my point is that while Taiwan has a strict quarantine regime, you can serve out your time at home, as long as it’s only you living in it. And the supervision makes sure there’s little cheating. Now, here my wife and I are in Taiwan, wanting to go back to the UK, but basically (assuming an all-countries quarantine order) likely to be penalized for doing so to the tune of at least £3,000. That is not small money to us (we are retirees–maybe it is to a Cabinet minister). Yet we have an empty flat less than 10 miles from Heathrow in which we could stay for nothing. Why can’t we do that? I suspect there are Brits abroad (potentially in surprisingly large numbers, given how many live overseas on and off) who will basically be excluded from returning to their country because they don’t have the money to waste on hotel quarantine.

379342 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to LaurenceEyton, 32, #95 of 2208 🔗

Its all a bit over the top for something similar to Asian or Hong Kong flu

379351 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to steve_w, 17, #96 of 2208 🔗

This is a beautiful piece of understatement.

379345 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to LaurenceEyton, 9, #97 of 2208 🔗

Arriving in Thailand, you have a choice between free accommodation at a government quarantine facility (also known as “two weeks in a prison camp”) or paying between £1,500 and £8,500 to quarantine in an approved hotel.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, in October 2020 (the latest month for which statistics are available), the total number of tourists entering Thailand was 799 (down from 2,140,116 in October 2019). That figure of 799 includes 27 from the United Kingdom. “Tourist”, of course, only refers to the visa type, so the Britons entering in that month may well have been travelling for other reasons, trying to keep up with family etc.

381514 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #98 of 2208 🔗

799 vs over 2 million visitors means the tourist industry is dead. And how many hundreds of thousands have lost their livelihoods and will starve? I’ll bet the number is greater than those dying of Covid…

381527 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Elisabeth, #99 of 2208 🔗

So far in total we have had 75 deaths from covid-19 since the start of this debacle.

To put this into perspective there are usually about 60 deaths a DAY on the roads here.

The poverty here is increasing rapidly amongst those who work(ed) in the tourist sector. Very, very sad to see.

Meanwhile the rich just get richer.

379377 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to LaurenceEyton, 36, #100 of 2208 🔗

there shouldn’t be any quarantining at all is the point. the whole thing is complete bollocks.

379524 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #101 of 2208 🔗

Especially when they’ll be quarantining people coming from countries with deaths in single figures. It’s like quarantining a (supposedly) zombie-infested country on the grounds that “there might be even scarier zombies abroad”.

379388 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to LaurenceEyton, 28, #102 of 2208 🔗

The idea that we should quarantine people at the border because we are afraid of yet to be found new variants of a reasonably mild endemic respiratory virus is crazy in its entirety.

That’s without even getting into the practicalities and usefulness of such policies when applied in the UK

379616 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #103 of 2208 🔗

And to be frank it us a year late. The virus and mutations are already here. If we slammed the door on all Chinese in November 2019 that might have helped but of course nobody was being told about the problem so it can’t have happened. Its just another stupid knee jerk reaction to be seen to be doing something. But are you really doing this to people coming back from holiday? Why are you trying to kill the travel industry? As a certain Mr Rotten once said “No Future, no future!”

380843 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #104 of 2208 🔗

Again, they want the travel industry removed by removing the “mass travel” part of it that allows Ryanair to fly people across the world for a tenner. Elites only, when the time comes.

You see, if the elites want to travel in private jets and extreme comfort, the amount of “carbon” used (as if anyone gives a shit) is tiny compared with the all-summer-long mass travel to Spain, Italy, etc. So it’s travel where they want (for them) and two weeks in a boarding house for you.

379347 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 25, #105 of 2208 🔗

Another story about a legal victory. This time, the Austrian Constitutional Court has declared the “district quarantines” (where you are forbidden to leave your village or suburb) imposed in the Tirol last spring illegal. There are now demands for fines issued to be repaid and for ongoing legal proceedings to be cancelled.


Corona quarantine in Tirol was illegal

The Verfassungsgerichtshof (Austrian Constitutional Court) reached this verdict having already overturned regulations governing going outside and mask mandates in schools.

The imposition last spring of the full Covid quarantine and “self-isolation” mandate as ordered by the provincial government of the Tirol was illegal. This is the conclusion in the ruling of the Austrian Constitutional Court (Verfassungsgerichtshof, VfGH), reached on December 10 and published on Tuesday [January 19 – NN], according to the Tiroler Tageszeitung .

The decrees issued on March 20 of last year by provincial governor Günther Platter (Austrian People’s Party), prohibiting people from leaving their home district, are thus rescinded, although the Epidemic Act passed on April 5 then superseded these provisions. The ban on leaving one’s own home was also overturned. The Supreme Court has already rescinded a number of measures introduced by the federal government.

Harsher measures than the federal government

At the beginning of the corona epidemic, Tirol imposed harsher measures than the federal government. At first, full quarantine applied to districts in the Paznaun Valley, including Ischgl, St. Anton am Arlberg and Sölden, before Platter imposed “self-isolation” on all districts in the Tirol.

Politicians reacted quickly to the ruling. The Tirol FPÖ (Freedom Party of Austria) leader, Markus Abwerzger, announced himself “pleased” by the ruling from the Constitutional Court. “The ruling that the quarantining of districts across the whole province was illegal proves that basic rights and freedoms still apply even in times of pandemic.”

The Austrian People’s Party, Abwerzger continued, must “finally understand that constitutional rights cannot be trampled underfoot. The Constitutional Court has already declared numerous regulations imposed by the federal government and the provinces illegal.” Abwerzger demanded that all administrative penalties imposed on the basis of the illegal regulations be retrospectively annulled and that all collection of fines be stopped immediately.

379365 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #106 of 2208 🔗

Constitutional rights cannot be trampled underfoot?
They can in this black hole of a country.
Still -encouraging, thank you, NN.

379348 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 29, #107 of 2208 🔗

3rd or is it the 5th night of anti lockdown protests in the Netherlands.
1st comment: I bet the Dutch government hope that the dyke will hold.
2nd comment: How come the MSM are actually reporting it?

379355 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 23, #108 of 2208 🔗

Things do seem to be acquiring an encouraging momentum over there. The Dutch do not like being walked over.

379956 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #109 of 2208 🔗

…especially not in wooden shoes – those things HURT.

379370 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #110 of 2208 🔗

Yes, the question of why it is being reported. I think we will find out imminently. My guesses include:
– A prelude to a brutal crackdown to be used as a deterrent.
– A prelude to a false flag operation to demonise the protestors.

379398 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to TheBluePill, 19, #111 of 2208 🔗

Or just so everyone goes “Oh, those nasty/irresponsible/dirty/degenerate/selfish people burning those nice cars – how dare they BREAK THE RULES!”

What mystifies me a little bit is why the populations in English cities who rioted in 2011 over police brutality are now just obediently sitting at home like the police tell them.

379440 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #112 of 2208 🔗

It’s the emotional blackmail and the guilt tripping rather than fear that is working here I think. Endless shared photos of exhausted NHS staff (usually pretty young women, doe eyes peeping over their masks) popping up in Facebook feeds pleading with us to do the right thing. It’s horrendous but it works.

379678 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #113 of 2208 🔗

Umm, because there are no PS5s in stock, due to covid? I witnessed those “riots” close up.

379622 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #114 of 2208 🔗

But I have not seen them interviewing one protester. Only hand wringing politicians. Law breakers, illegal gatherings, etc. Not one, why are you protesting mate?

379354 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 88, #115 of 2208 🔗

Found out from a friend last night that a mutual friend is suicidal

Early 40s, hasn’t worked for a year, no government help, trapped in house with other half who is ‘unhelpful’ to say the least

You can multiply her up by a million

God have mercy on our souls – what have we done?

379363 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 39, #116 of 2208 🔗

WE haven’t.We have done our best to combat the criminal insanity. We must and will continue to do so.

379371 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 29, #117 of 2208 🔗

and I heard of a 35-year-old whose untreated breast cancer is now terminal….I have yet to hear of a person who died of covid

379378 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #118 of 2208 🔗

We don’t know of anyone who has had it never mind died from it.

381091 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #119 of 2208 🔗

I had it.
(I get EVERYTHING – just call me the coalmine canary)
It was unpleasant, but then, can’t recall ever really enjoying being sick.
Nevertheless, here I am, replying.
Ergo, not dead.

379374 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 18, #120 of 2208 🔗

We haven’t done anything, the politicians have caused this destruction and I hope they burn in hell for an eternity along with the Davos set.

379626 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 4, #121 of 2208 🔗

Get them to come on here and have a rant about “them indoors”. It really does help! They are not alone.

379783 ▶▶ aleaf, replying to steve_w, 8, #122 of 2208 🔗

Anybody who says these were done because of incompetence is wrong. These are deliberately done destructions. Change of economic(monetary) and social infrastructure(China style social fabric) is being achieved using a lab made nasty virus. Sick but effective. This is what I believe.

379903 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to steve_w, 16, #123 of 2208 🔗

The other responses are right, WE haven’t done a thing, it’s our grotesque governments and everyone that’s consenting to this shitshow that have blood on their hands.

As a matter of urgency, talk, meet or whatever you have to do to communicate with your friend, just do it.

My brother-in-law jumped in front of a train 2 days before Christmas, leaving behind a wife and two kids (6,5). Sure, he had other issues due to drink, but he probably wouldn’t have descended into the darkness if he hadn’t lost his business thus facing losing their home etc.

He was the loveliest, most gentle and unassuming man you could wish to meet.

These instigators and collaborators are beyond evil.

Keep listening to your friend. The best of luck for a dreadful, desperate situation.

379356 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 218, #124 of 2208 🔗

I will not grieve for the 89 year old who succumbs to a propagandized, overhyped respiratory disease, nor will I point the finger of blame at innocent members of society for “spreading” said disease when a significant number of infections are now picked up in hospital and care settings, and the virus itself is now endemic here in the UK.

The collective delirium currently afflicting most of the British public means that they now believe that life can be extended and people can be saved by employing draconian restrictions on our civil liberties. They have completely lost sight of the fact that it is nigh impossible to control infectious, microscopic organisms, and the passing of the aged and comorbid due to seasonal viruses is unfortunately nature’s way. It is the immutable established order – a core tenet of the great circle of life, where the fit and healthy are spared and those who are full of years give way to new life.

This new, infantile view of death and the idea that the impossible sacrifices of lockdowns actually “save lives” have been a central part of government brainwashing. It is hugely destructive, it is an egregious lie and openly encourages the valuation of Covid deaths at the expense of the many, many other deaths caused directly by these restrictions.

I DO grieve however for the young mother of three who now has terminal breast cancer due to cancelled scans and missed treatments. I do grieve for the businessman who is facing ruin because of lockdown, and is watching helplessly as decades of hard work evaporates into dust. I DO grieve for the despondent teenager, isolated from her friends, fearing the worst for her future, contemplating ending her short life because the present is just too terrible to endure.

Theae are the people who matter RIGHT NOW. People with many quality years ahead of them, having their lives destroyed by this sick, totalitarian experiment. Their stories may never make the BBC evening news or the front page of the newspapers. There will never be an omnipresent media and political campaign to save *their* lives – it doesn’t suit the narrative, and these deaths cannot be manipulated by evil government scientists or WEF puppets in order to terrorise the population into conformity.

They are the forgotten. The silent victims of the greatest crime in our country’s long
history, perpetrated by the government against its own citizens. We may never know the true number who have been robbed from us, as the needless deaths due to lockdown will be felt for many years from now. Every single life extinguished by this murderous regime must be remembered, and avenged.

I dedicate my continued non-compliance to their memory.

379357 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Scotty87, 38, #125 of 2208 🔗


379362 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 32, #126 of 2208 🔗

A noble speech.I bow to you.

379436 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 17, #127 of 2208 🔗

Hear, hear!!!!

379511 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Scotty87, 22, #128 of 2208 🔗

Thank you! Inspiring words. It may not seem much but 3 friends previously firmly in the Covid absolute fervent belief camp are wavering without any input from me. Science based articles forwarded previously by myself were dismissed as mumbo jumbo however their recent emails are becoming much more quizzical about what the MSM are reporting. Just maybe the tide may be begining to turn.,albeit very slowly. The lack of very few opposite, or questioning at a forensic level, views in MSM is starting to have a negative effect. Interestingly they are becoming partic curious about the ‘Vaccine’ s’ especially the numbers quoted eagerly having it and the take up rate as none of the elderly relatives they themselves know have taken it up.

379806 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Scotty87, 13, #129 of 2208 🔗

Simply wonderful words Scotty.

Now please tell me that on the basis of this submission you have just been offered the job as Piffle’s speech writer, then I’ll know we can win this battle.

379811 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Scotty87, 7, #130 of 2208 🔗

Damn right brother!

379932 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Scotty87, 10, #131 of 2208 🔗

Brilliant. Adding this to my Word document of LS comments.

380872 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Caramel, 4, #132 of 2208 🔗

Me too. I thought I was the only one doing that!

380939 ▶▶▶▶ sam club, replying to RichardJames, 2, #133 of 2208 🔗

i m glad another fellow comment saver !

380936 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Caramel, 3, #134 of 2208 🔗

my favorite thing these brilliant comments im glad you are saving them i do screen shots that s all i know how to do but c an’ t collect anywhere near all of them . only a few i hope there is a book some day !

380050 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Scotty87, 7, #135 of 2208 🔗

Great post, Scotty.

380225 ▶▶ RoseE, replying to Scotty87, 4, #136 of 2208 🔗

Hear hear

380941 ▶▶ sam club, replying to Scotty87, #137 of 2208 🔗

hear hear too!

381334 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Scotty87, 1, #138 of 2208 🔗

Very poignant and beautifully articulated.

379359 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 108, #139 of 2208 🔗

Rightly or wrongly, I am finding a degree of annoyance in reading LS, as its key initial format of challenging certain narratives, articles etc., with rational opinion, argument or/and evidence, appears to have all but vanished. Increasingly it appears to be a collection of articles from MSM but with no input on the narrative or content of said articles, and thus increasingly appears to supporting the overall output from MSM. In todays, for example, where is the challenge to the graph about deaths in certain occupations – how do the numbers stand as per percentage of the total workforce, were other factors involved, less healthy lifestyle, weight, average age of workforce etc., cut and pasting some graph from the DM, without proposing other thoughtful considerations on its presentation is less than I expect from LS. While on this matter, could you also question your repeated assertion that there was a second wave – are we sure about this? Where are the influenza numbers this year, how much of this wave was based on mass testing and false positives, plus repeated tests on the same individual being included. What has happened to critical thinking which was once the main stalwart of this site?
To continue my moan, as it has been building up for a few days, why on earth was the article from Alex Morton not challenged in its unevidenced assertion that closing borders would decrease new strains – are these new strains, already present but just happened to be detected in different countries, if they pose a lesser risk why are they an issue, have they actually been isolated, would like to see some evidence as they did appear rather conveniently in December, no suggestion of a cost benefit analysis of shutting borders on businesses, travel industry and people’s lives. 5.5 million Brits are expat and live and work overseas, hundreds of thousands of Europeans and commonwealth citizens live and work in the UK, including in healthcare; my guess they will opt to return home if such a ban came in force. Families have members working in different countries, expat have children in schools in different countries. Once borders are closed and airlines stop flying to that country, how are families expected to stay connected. I myself fit into this category and will be separated from my husband if I cannot organise long term house and cat care so I can relocate. Then there is the logistical nightmare of quarantining such large numbers let alone the human rights implications of imprisoning healthy people with a negative PCR – there has been no evidence according to WHO of asymptomatic transmission. These are some questions I would like to have seen thrown at this article, not ‘worth reading in full’.
Equally, the piece by David Cook, surely the core of sceptism is that locking down a country has never been instrumental in any pandemic plan, the government have actually acted against it plan, and the devastating affects on society, mental stability, the economy is extremely disproportionate to the mortality rates of the virus with 99.96% not adversely affected. How many deaths recorded are actually from covid and not from a not fit for purpose positive PCR test, or just registered as covid -the ONS figures shown 388 deaths from covid in under 60s. Where are the questions on why we are recording cumulative numbers from 2 consecutive virus seasons, which has never been done with flu. The continued response with such draconian measures makes little practical sense and I am always concerned how the reference to mental health appears as a passing comment and lacks any real context on how serious such matters are. Did not the chap who addressed smallpox state that the best response was to cause as little interference in normal life habits. Social distancing after all was an arbitrary figure and admitted to be based on nothing but the precautionary principle. The impact on our immune system of over santising and hiding has yet to be revealed.
So, that’s me done for now. No I do not want to exist in an echo chamber, but I do expect some thought provoking analysis on some articles.
On the recent 2 articles on ‘lost’ relatives, to the authors, please criticize the staff in the NHS and not excuse them with the overwhelmed get out clause. It is inexcusable what you have experienced, it is down to poor organisation, apathy and frankly at times a don’t care attitude. Any organisation that becomes above criticism will make no effort to improve its service, but become more mired in inefficiencies and apathy. I say this as an ex senior nurse.

379360 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Hattie, 46, #140 of 2208 🔗

I agree that a defensive tone has crept into the articles recently, and I very much agree that vocabulary like “second wave” and “case numbers” should not be used, but challenged.

379366 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hattie, 7, #141 of 2208 🔗

You’ll be back. It’s like the Mafia, you can’t leave.

379397 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 26, #142 of 2208 🔗

I was actually out for 30 years and only returned 2 years ago, husband stayed, had intended to return last year, but we delayed it with the advent of covid – fortunately I maintained my Qatari residence status. I am in Doha now, and yes, a better place to be at the moment, and would definitely not be returning to the UK if it wasn’t for the cats – doubt they will even appreciate the sacrifice. Yes, masks needed in shops, though worn as you deem fit, no stasi barking at you. Everything open including restaurants and bars – tables arranged without arrays of perspex and tape, staff incredibly genial which makes everything less of a trial if you do have to wear a mask until seated or need to show your app – track and trace. People are interacting in shops, streets etc., as normal – swerving, shirking and scurrying is non existent. Walking on the Corniche it struck me there was no signage, orders etc., same in shops – almost normal and what a huge relief – it is then you realise how oppressive things have become.
Qatar had their track and trace app up and running in May last year, they ended their initial lockdown and this was their way out – they have always moved in the direction of reducing restrictions not the yoyo farce we have. Death figures are incredibly low,under 10% of the UK, which blows the social distancing myth out of the water. Yes, I had a week of quarantine on entering, but again it was done with efficiency and politeness that dignity remained intact ( unlike the Robocops in Heathrow), as with the hotel. With only small numbers entering this is achieveable, unlike the potential fiasco that will be the quarantine system in the UK.
2 weeks left of normality, I will savour every day before the dreaded return.

380885 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Hattie, 3, #143 of 2208 🔗

Please diarise your experiences upon your return. I am sure that we would be interested.

379539 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #144 of 2208 🔗

Don’t you mean the Catholic church?

380886 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bungle, 3, #145 of 2208 🔗

Catholic Church? Plenty of Christian lockdown sceptics, (and Christian includes of course the Church of Rome). Some of the most sceptical people I know are Catholic. And, incidentally, one of my favourite politicians was a Catholic and Socialist.

380967 ▶▶▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Hugh, 3, #146 of 2208 🔗

The Catholic church I attend each Sunday is the only place I know where sceptics gather in any numbers, fifty or sixty of them spread across two Masses, all ages, no masks, no tape across seats, no floor signs, no one-way systems, no segregation of seating into family bubbles, everyone stopping to chat outside afterwards. Sadly a lot of churches seem to have switched from Christianity to covid zealotry, including the one I used to attend where the hordes of bossy middle-aged women have taken full control, even forcing the priest into retirement because they felt he wasn’t being sufficiently careful, as they saw it.

379376 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hattie, 35, #147 of 2208 🔗

The analysis, the dissection of the data and the challenges are here in the comments section. I am happy to pick up news stuff 2nd hand from this site it saves my blood pressure from having to read too much MSM news. I have also suspected that the style of this site reflects to need avoid too much attention from the covid zealots who would want to see it shut down. This comments section is so important, our unity and support is so necessary, the real tragedy is if we were to lose this discussion platform.

380955 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #148 of 2208 🔗

i feel the same way is like being able to talk to one another here . no where esle have i found that and alosmt eveyone i perosally know is a believer. so this is a lifesaver for me

379381 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Hattie, 36, #149 of 2208 🔗

Agreed. I’m feeling the tone has shifted somewhat to one of trying to placate everyone, or more specifically walking the line of compliance just enough to avoid additional targeting for being a sceptic.
Though there are occasionally useful articles it seems to be a toned down approach to scepticism. I’m really only coming here anymore for the comments section in which I find people of like mind but also a wealth of additional information. The comments are now more interesting and informative than the blog.
Anyway, I think for me it’s time for a break form the site. However, I’ll end on this; I can now see why James D gets so frustrated talking to Toby on their podcast.

379403 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Mike, 29, #150 of 2208 🔗

I completely agree. It is the comment section and links, articles that are now the real value of this site.

379414 ▶▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Hattie, 19, #151 of 2208 🔗

Agreed here too. I skim the main content unless something catches my eye and then jump to the comments for the real content. And likewise a few times through the day I come back to the comments to see what the latest news is.

380241 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hattie, 6, #152 of 2208 🔗

Definitely…I just go to the comments now….it seems to be where the real analysis takes place such as Rick’s dissection of the death figures.

380234 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mike, 6, #153 of 2208 🔗

Yes I feel for James too…on the last one Toby said how much he liked Emily Maitliss ffs.

379422 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hattie, 28, #154 of 2208 🔗

I’d rather get the news, however bad, from here than from the sewage MSM,

379438 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Hattie, 46, #155 of 2208 🔗

I think you expect too much of Toby and his volunteers. He must feel he is on a daily treadmill!
Many many months ago, when he was off on his jaunt to Venice, and was thinking of ‘some time off’ from the daily updates, I urged him to produce even a blank page, as a coat hook for the BTL community.
He is also taking personal flak for being the poster boy for the LS movement (would that there were such a thing).
Cut the guy some slack!

379567 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #156 of 2208 🔗

What is BTL?

379573 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bungle, 6, #157 of 2208 🔗

below the line — i.e. comments

380977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #158 of 2208 🔗


379740 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bungle, 5, #159 of 2208 🔗

Bacon, tomato and lettuce, apparently.

379941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #160 of 2208 🔗

Bizarre triangle love.

380023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Caramel, 1, #161 of 2208 🔗

That sounds like a rather interesting sandwich!

380878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #162 of 2208 🔗

and guacamole if you’re M&S. And woke. Probably.

379936 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #163 of 2208 🔗

How is he coping with it all?

380963 ▶▶▶ sam club, replying to BTLnewbie, 6, #164 of 2208 🔗

very true what woudl we do wiht out toby having s tarted this great group adn continuing it atmuch cost to himself thank you toby and everyone here commenst adn will ian etc

379506 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hattie, 5, #165 of 2208 🔗

I write the same nearly every day Hattie – today we have a Daily Mail graph showing ‘deaths from coronavirus’, a completely meaningless title; Something Moore saying how well New Zealand has done, a country with 3 people, 16 light years from anywhere; she adds a ‘halleluliah’ for the fact that Boris has got a vaccine ready; and to top it all we have a fantastic picture of a schoolgirl resistor in Keswick but LS has to append an insult to Greta Thunberg. Can we please have some editorial standards in LS???

380893 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bungle, 4, #166 of 2208 🔗

Sorry, but insulting Greta is fun. She can’t insult the whole of humanity without getting pushback. She is no longer a (((controlled))) child.

379508 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hattie, 7, #167 of 2208 🔗

Correct, it is evolving as a depressing read. The comments always restore my sanity.

379623 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Hattie, 12, #168 of 2208 🔗

Well put. I guess the above the line content is being influenced by the mainstream attack on sceptics either consciously or unconsciously. That said, I barely skim the main page these days, I find much more important and interesting content in the comments down here.

379659 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hattie, 4, #169 of 2208 🔗

Well said Hattie. I barely read the top section anymore its like they are being monitored and are not giving opinions anymore just cherry picking stories. Mostly with a unchallenged viewpoint. This crap about defending Toby against O’Neil. Why? your a big boy do it yourself. If you can’t see his arguments are bullshit cherry picking you probably need to hand over the mantle of LS to someone who will not take this crap and will counter anything like this with more vigour than you are.

380232 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Hattie, 10, #170 of 2208 🔗

I agree with that and have already today on another comment questioned the ‘matey’ reference to what ‘Boris’ is doing as if he is some kind of long lost friend. This man really does have blood on his hands. Deaths from covid in so far as they are correctly diagnosed are an act of nature which has been going on since the start of time. The deaths we are now seeing through suicide and despair are a direct consequence of government policy and have to be seen as such. There is no room for mateyness with these evil scumbags. You might as well be matey about Pol Pot.

380272 ▶▶ JASA, replying to Hattie, 8, #171 of 2208 🔗

It’s probably because there are more and more authors and it is becoming diluted. When Toby wrote the articles is was more sceptical. It has, like many things, expanded too much and become too long. I criticised it last week for appearing to accept that there has been a ‘second wave’. The comments section is where I gain much of the support I desperately need.

380338 ▶▶ rose, replying to Hattie, 2, #172 of 2208 🔗

I thought that the graphs of deaths of Covid by occupation was annoying. More information needed to put this in perspective. ie. deaths of bin men, teachers, health workers over the last few years. Whether deaths from Covid or with Covid. Such information is probably not available.

380996 ▶▶ james007, replying to Hattie, 1, #173 of 2208 🔗

Good points.
When you mention closing borders to ‘stop new strains’, it reminds me of when ‘The Science’ (or the Government- not sure which) said that closing the borders would be pointless. That was when we were in ‘flattern the curve’ mode.

381110 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Hattie, 1, #174 of 2208 🔗

But, in fairness to Toby and the rest of the LS scribes, if they broadened their scope to include all countervailing evidence and arguments, the site would become unmanageably huge.

379361 Bella Donna, 4, #175 of 2208 🔗

I doubt most of you will not be too surprised at what this Italian doctor has to say. Please share.

379364 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #176 of 2208 🔗

I suppose the architects of lockdown have done a risk or cost/benefit analysis. Then if deaths due to lockdown outweigh those saved, they can point at the calculations, see what they got right or wrong and we can learn lessons.

Of course if they haven’t done those calculations…

379400 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 7, #177 of 2208 🔗

45K or so dead in the UK from the LDs? ‘Excess’ deaths might be excessive due to lack of access to save the bloated, inefficient, socialised and management saturated NHS.

379671 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, 2, #178 of 2208 🔗

If you stop care for your population, 30% of whom are obese. Don’t be surprised when people start getting ill and dying.

379368 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 11, #179 of 2208 🔗

Concentration camps and the NHS

With the predicted introduction of hotel quarantine, the government may have forgotten the NHS is dependent on foreign workers and indeed British citizens, some who have foreign partners but cannot settle here because their income does not meet the government minimum income requirement.

I know one who is an ambulance driver. He goes to look after his British children every few months, with their mother abroad. He is there now and won’t be coming back to the UK with all this going on. Patel and clueless Boris won’t think if that effect, which will be long term, when introducing their new policy.

379394 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to FrankiiB, 13, #180 of 2208 🔗

The collatoral damage is piling up now. There is going to be civil unrest throughout the world. These parasitic globalists have goaded the people into it.

379417 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #181 of 2208 🔗

Will Brits actually stand up though? I doubt it! The protests there have been have been relatively small compared to other EU countries. We are not going to win by writing letters – I should know, I have written many with no results at all.

379424 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to this is my username, 4, #182 of 2208 🔗

I thought our football hoolies might have stood up to be counted, the amount of banging on they do about WW2, sensitivity to oppressive cultures etc, but no.

379432 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 4, #183 of 2208 🔗

I hope once the better weather sets in and the 1 year anniversary of this shitshow. If nothing materialises March/ April i’ll be an eternal pessimist.

379433 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to FrankiiB, 7, #184 of 2208 🔗

Your last sentence needs to stop after the 6th word. I used to think Boris was intelligent but lazy but it takes a particular kind of stupid and weak to have kept this disaster going for so long and to keep adding further to it.

379462 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to FrankiiB, #185 of 2208 🔗

The decrease in population will render it meaningless. 10% population non-British. 8% NHS staff is non-British. Swings and roundabouts.

379372 PatrickF, 37, #186 of 2208 🔗

If you support lockdown, you support every vicious, unfair, illogical, action of ALL our MPS. End this farce. No half measures. No part opening, and part closing of society, schools, businesses, theatres, museums, National Trust, sports clubs, gyms, no limits on travel, no f ing social distancing and no masks!

379373 Niborxof, 11, #187 of 2208 🔗

We need to rename Stockholm syndrome as rather ironically it is one of the only capital in Europe that hasn’t held its citizens captive. Perhaps London syndrome. Endofthefreewest syndrome?
Of course this is quite aside from the objective fact the the handling in Stockholm should held up as THE EXAMPLE.

379382 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #189 of 2208 🔗

You don’t expect our lazy treasonous MPs to care do you. They haven’t lost their jobs, mores the pity!

379399 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #190 of 2208 🔗

Take away the UBI er the Furlough payments and that number doubles yet again….9 mn on UBI from the Hindoo’s magic money machine which will mean a lot higher taxation rates starting next year….

380085 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #191 of 2208 🔗

This is not job losses due to the virus. The virus did not shut down shops, close pubs, stop people going to work and imprison 60 million well people. That was the government. They are 100% responsible for ALL the fall-out from their idiotic decision.

379379 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 9, #192 of 2208 🔗

I couldn’t agree more with Kathrine Moore! I have 2 grandsons in the US that I would have seen last year. Meantime they have grown 20+cm and there is no substitute for time spent with them. I have no grandchildren in NZ, I have 2 children in the US. I am sad and mad!

379402 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to optocarol, 14, #193 of 2208 🔗

Our twin grandsons are in Uganda, they try and hug us through the computer zoom screen! Our youngest daughter is in Gulag Cardiff just the other side of the Bristol Channel from us, before Christmas I was looking at getting a boat to go across and pick her up but she was allowed out for Christmas Day but the boat option looks like it might be back on the agenda!
My Mum died last February, I often think I can hear her chortling, ‘clever old me I just got out in the nick of time.
All this supposedly in the name of Public Health!
”Oh, they call it livin’, Baby, someone’s lyin’.”

379493 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #194 of 2208 🔗

Thank you Steve. I knew those words from somewhere so I went to look them up. They were from Tom Paxton, a long time favourite of mine. I wonder what he makes of all this? He wrote some great songs, many of them poking fun at the establishment. Think I will go and listen to some of them now!

379680 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to optocarol, 1, #195 of 2208 🔗

So sad for children not to be able to see their families in other countries.

What about young children with mothers and fathers in different countries?

379385 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #196 of 2208 🔗

I must say I found the entry in John Redwood’s diary, When will we be allowed out of lockdown, depressingly passive. Mr Redwood is an experienced and competent member of parliament. He has an impressive track record, stretching back decades, and substantial influence. Yet he supinely muses on what may be the factors that might influence ministerial decision making. His attitude strikes one as that of a young chid wondering about what their parents will decide on some incomprehensible family matter, rather than one of an influential parliamentarian, who believes parliament ought to be shaping public policy and rigorously holding the executive to account. The attitude of passivity revealed in his diary entry perhaps explains how the dysfunctional groupthink that is driving government decision making on the virus has been able to sustain itself. Such passivity has rendered parliament an irrelevance that has merely looked on whilst a cabal has captured policy making and imposed an authoritarian regime obsessed with a megalomaniacal desire to control nature. Instead of wondering when we might be allowed out of lockdown, members of parliament ought to be denouncing the deprivation of our rights and liberties, and Conservative members ought to be telling Number Ten that absent an immediate end to the madness they will be firing off letters to Graham Brady, triggering a leadership contest.

379457 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, #197 of 2208 🔗

Redwood is scared of the virus.

379576 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, #198 of 2208 🔗

He has never struck me as cowardly.

379744 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #199 of 2208 🔗

Bravery is a funny thing. My husband has military medals. He has flown under fire in war zones many times. Yet he won’t eat a yoghurt that is a week out of date.

Me, I have minimal fear of bacteria and viruses. But no way would I do his job.

Luckily he’s a bit corona blasé because I’ve convinced him of the facts. Though not as much as me.

379878 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #200 of 2208 🔗

Yes I’ve often thought that about the tone of his musings. He writes as though he has no influence even though surely he is a Tory Big Beast as a former leadership contender. Where’s the fire in his belly? It’s all a bit colourless.

380250 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #201 of 2208 🔗

He is determined not to be labelled a bastard anymore by shithouse John Major!

380753 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #202 of 2208 🔗

I’m sure he’s sharpening his knife on the quiet. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

380903 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cheezilla, #203 of 2208 🔗

Well he is a Tory!

379387 C S, replying to C S, 18, #204 of 2208 🔗

If our wonderful government introduces mandatory quarantine for all UK arrivals, I’m assuming this will also apply to all those delegates arriving in June for the G7 summit in Cornwall?! What excuse will they roll out to provide them with exemptions…? Perhaps those arriving on private jets are incapable of transmitting the virus?

379396 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to C S, 21, #205 of 2208 🔗

What about the Footie stars? You know the tight white short wearers dancing around in the Jan rain and snow, not wearing diapers, not distancing….zero have died across all leagues from CV 19. Zero. Yet they can bounce across borders for their UEFA etc etc and what? No isolation camps for the footie fairies. Have to keep the peasants entertained with bread and circuses. But if you and 5 friends went to the local park to play a kick-around…well, well, well, murderers, spreaders, fascists, drumpfers….etc.

379405 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to FerdIII, 13, #206 of 2208 🔗

And the peasants still follow football religiously as if it matters. There freedoms are being systematically removed but there more interested in their team’s Saturday formation. Pathetic.

379416 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #207 of 2208 🔗

Yes more worried if ‘their team’ wins, than about their world potentially ending….beggars belief, the level of apathy is off the charts. No debate allowed on a proper (Great Barrington) approach, just blindly follow the cult and its high priests.

379426 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #208 of 2208 🔗

The Fascists keep Football and Strictly, the mental cosh of the masses.

379463 ▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Annie, 2, #209 of 2208 🔗

the opiate of the masses – the 4 “F”s (football, fosters, facebook and f*****g)

380761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to penelope pitstop, #210 of 2208 🔗

Those not already in a relationship before mockdown will struggle to meet people for the latter pursuit.

380940 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Annie, #211 of 2208 🔗

Yes; Panem et Circenses.

379465 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #212 of 2208 🔗

The football is important – described as our national religion, even the most hardened zealot must die a little bit inside every time he watches matches with no crowds, training ground atmosphere, and remembers how it should be.
Ask him ‘under what circs do you think you’ll be allowed to go to the match ever again’ and his cogs splutter slowly into life.

379454 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to FerdIII, 3, #213 of 2208 🔗

And who is doing their hair?

379869 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to FerdIII, 3, #214 of 2208 🔗

I think the tattoos offer complete immunity. Or taking the knee. Or having an IQ equal to your shoe size.

380077 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to FerdIII, #215 of 2208 🔗

“Zero have died across all leagues…” Well, I’m not so sure about that. While you would expect the fit and healthy young men of the PL and its equivalent throughout the world to get over the virus with little more than minor symptoms, there have been some elite players who have suffered C-19 quite badly, including hospitalisation and being put in a coma. I have no idea about lower league footballers, but given that at NL level and below in the English football pyramid, many players are part-time, and many of those could well be in those jobs that are worst affected.

I enjoy watching football. I concede it’s a different game these days without spectators, but that has its entertainments, too, as I choose to watch without fake sounds of crowds, and you can hear almost every word shouted.

If that makes me a peasant, so be it.

Where I live, my team – doing quite well at the moment, thank you very much for asking – is in severe danger of not existing beyond this season, like most others in the same league. Perhaps those of you who follow lower league teams, or who have one in your town, could write to your MP to ask if they could prevail upon the DCMS to revert to the grant system for these clubs, rather than offer loans which could bankrupt them even sooner. Make sure to point out that the grant system would cost government far less than furloughing all these playing staff (given that most other non-playing staff have already been furloughed and could well be without jobs in the future).

And it was lovely to see Bayo again last night, even though he was on the losing side, with a result that massively flattered the winners.

Yes, it’s bread and circuses. But so is this site.

379448 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to C S, 1, #216 of 2208 🔗

It will be the usual “rules for thee but not for me”


379391 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #217 of 2208 🔗

There is a very simple way to deal with O’Brien and his band of nutters

Ask them the question


They will go off at a tangent with their hysteria about deaths and grannies

Ask the question again and again

The nearest thing I’ve seen to an answer is when JHB pinned Mandy to the wall and he replied “It’s low”

If he meant low in percentage terms at least we can agree on something

379408 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 7, #218 of 2208 🔗

Dr Naomi Wolf just put this out: PCR Lab Visit: Whistleblowers Kevin McKernan, Bobby Malhotra Explain Why COVID Tests are “Garbage”


380584 ▶▶▶ RoseE, replying to this is my username, #219 of 2208 🔗

Dr Naomi Wolf’s interview was really fascinating and very informative. Thanks.

379420 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #220 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think O’Brien and his band of nutters know the answer. They deal with slogans and emotion nothing else.

379392 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #221 of 2208 🔗

The majority of the population support lockdowns, and therefore support school closures.
Maybe, just maybe, some of them will think the price is too high as their kid’s education and mental health gets flushed down the toilet.
I doubt it, though. Being a virtue signaller makes you feel superior to humanity and common sense.

379395 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 10, #222 of 2208 🔗

Child abuse and non science is now scientific and moral…..the Covidiots and their virus cult really are a sad sack of shite…..children now will be terrified of living a normal life.

379404 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to PatrickF, 6, #223 of 2208 🔗

A lot of people are just apathetic and stupid. They are ready to accept their new normal. It’s only took 11 months and in many cases less to re-condition them.

379429 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 12, #224 of 2208 🔗

It’s not just virtue signalling. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

My family support lockdowns. Of course the collateral damage is my parents’ business and their grandchildren. But try telling them that they point out that they’re keeping the grandchildren safe and I’m the bad one for wanting people to die.

There’s no point trying to reason with people like that.

I sincerely hope they have very deep pockets especially my sister & brother-in-law. Because there will be hell to pay for them.

379459 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to PatrickF, 6, #225 of 2208 🔗

I don’t believe any of those polls. Skewed questions and skewed targets.
Also people are not honest but give what they think is the correct answer. As soon as they see their neighbours’ opinions begin to shift they start to say what they’re really thinking.

379582 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to PatrickF, 5, #226 of 2208 🔗

their kid’s education and mental health gets flushed down the toilet.” Absolutely. This.
I spoke to someone at Christmas who I know has young people of various ages in the education system; I pointed out that at the rate things are going, their entire future will involve digital education, taught by a digital assistant, with a break for some digital entertainment, looking at digital culture in a digital museum, having experiences with only virtual & digital friends, celebrating a digital birthday & digital Christmas…I think it gave them food for thought…

379401 JHUNTZ, 13, #227 of 2208 🔗

The only time in history when you don’t need a gun to start a revolution you just need to take off your mask.

379406 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #228 of 2208 🔗

Dr David Cook, above, is a splendid fellow but are these really uncontentious assumptions, as he contends?

‘1. COVID-19 is a serious new human disease.’

Not in my humble opinion. It is a new severe common cold coronavirus, of which there are a few (which are not regarded as serious diseases) as pointed out 06 Feb 2020 by a renowned global coronavirus expert present in China at the time of the outbreak.

(Prof John Nicholls phone call transcript, Accuweather 06 February)

‘2. Doing nothing in the face of this new disease and the resulting pandemic was not an option.’

Doing nothing was very much an option, because that is what we do in the face of the other endemic common cold coronaviruses, and, as events have shown, that was probably the best option, given how many lives have been and will be cut short by government interventions (evidenced by the Amnesty International Care Homes report)

‘3. COVID-19 hits older and more vulnerable individuals harder than younger, fitter individuals. As a result, the majority of deaths and serious illness are in the older, sicker population. This doesn’t mean that some younger or otherwise apparently healthy people can’t die or have significant illness, it is just a lot less common in this group.’

Okay. This is uncontentious, because it backs up what we already know about the common cold and common cold coronaviruses, have known about them for years.

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/ (Feb 2017)

‘More than just a common cold: Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E associated with severe acute respiratory infection and fatality cases among healthy adults’

379415 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #229 of 2208 🔗

yes. doing nothing is always the default best option until you know more. lockdown was a panic

379428 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steve_w, 3, #230 of 2208 🔗

A panic indeed; cause and effect needs to be established by a public inquiry.

Was the panic caused by Imperial College models or were these simply a useful tool to disguise the real cause of panic: a cave in to pressure from the continent; not very Churchillian!


379444 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #231 of 2208 🔗

Panic based on fake models, fake tests, and flawed dead counts. 2020 was not the worst year ever, not even close for dead counts/1000. Quite normal and within the past 20 year average.

Every year 85 – 90 K will die in the UK from flu-pneum-resp issues. We had maybe 70 K in 2020 with/from CV 19 + 60K from flu-pneu-resp for 130 K.

So yes a bad year for flu esp for >75 yr olds with conditions. That ‘excess’ of maybe 40 K is now offset by the 45 K or so who have died from the LDs. You never see such analysis in the fake news or in the useless gov’t. In other words, we are now killing more people than who are dying from virus related deaths.

379431 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 11, #232 of 2208 🔗

Lockdown was also supposed to be temporary! Yet now we are in an impossible situation, the deranged scientists have convinced the megalomaniac politicians that they can ‘do what’s never been done’ and control this year’s common cold virus and we all suffer.
The one thing they could have done and criminally failed to do was to put research money and efforts into developing effective treatments for serious covid. It is now clear that much more could have been done to get such treatments up and running. If anyone has blood on their hands it is those that put all the efforts into dodgy vaccines and ignored life saving treatments.

379455 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to steve_w, 17, #233 of 2208 🔗

I totally agree but I can forgive the initial 3 weeks of panic. What I can’t forgive is not seeing the reality of this disease and getting back to normal straight after that.
Most of us complied at first but we were wrong to do so and somehow, I have no idea how, when this is over we need to make sure that a healthy population can never be locked down again for such a relatively mild disease. Ebola it ain’t but it feels as if some people think it is.

379566 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, 10, #234 of 2208 🔗

nobody should be locked down even for ebola. human rights should be inviolable. if you can’t live free then it’s not really worth living at all.

379490 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #235 of 2208 🔗


Too defensive

He also talks about the “need for NPIs reducing”

380823 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, #236 of 2208 🔗

I had problems with some of Cook’s statements!

379407 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #237 of 2208 🔗

“We are going to have to build more prisons if we are going to detain the rioters and dissenters without trial”

“How are we going to get away with that, if they get a whiff of what we are doing they may decide to get their retaliation in first”

“Yes, and we will need to build them right across the country it’s not as if we could hide what we are doing”

“Ideas anyone?”

“What if we call them isolation hotels? What if we say that they are are only for the selfish bastards who left the country and want to return”

“Who’s going to fund this?”

“Make the inmates pay, after all they are hotels aren’t they?”

Laughs all around

379410 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 15, #238 of 2208 🔗

£1,500 for ten days in an hotel is appalling. It’s also deliberate. Boris is seeking to destroy the UK.

379411 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #239 of 2208 🔗

A new community case of C-19 in NZ. A woman returned from Europe having passed 2 tests in isolation facility .After discharge developed mild symptoms and pos with the South African variant .Did she contract it in Europe or at the isolation facility? Lots of community testing now in the locality.This in an isolated country with currently no other cases outside isolation facility.

How do you think Priti Patel is going to succeed with NZ like isolation facility for UK for returning passengers to UK with hundred thousands person with the virus already outside the isolation hotels?


The Minister in charge of the Covid-19 Response, Chris Hipkins, said genome testing showed the strain was the South African variant

379421 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to swedenborg, 9, #240 of 2208 🔗

How do they know it’s the South African variant when the virus has NEVER been isolated. The genes they are finding could be from other fragments within the sample. They haven’t got a clue and they are perpetuating a lie for profit as far as I can see – and a narrative which is destroying the UK and every other country.

379449 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to this is my username, 4, #241 of 2208 🔗

The virus have been isolated.

379452 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to swedenborg, 1, #242 of 2208 🔗

Has it? News to me. Do you have a link pls?

379480 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jinks, 5, #243 of 2208 🔗


The virus is not a hoax.It exists. The problem is the PCR methods used to easy diagnose cases is a mess and not suitable for mass screening.

379492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to swedenborg, 1, #244 of 2208 🔗

I didn’t say it was a hoax.

379556 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 6, #245 of 2208 🔗

I do. it’s a hoax.

380884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #246 of 2208 🔗

I’d say that mockdown is the hoax. The virus does exist but its severity has been ridiculously exaggerated as a means to an end.

379479 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to swedenborg, 3, #247 of 2208 🔗

According to the CDC it hasn’t, and according to the Irish government, it hasn’t – please share a link to that if it has.

379486 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 3, #248 of 2208 🔗

Don’t be silly Sars-Cov2 is bog standard beta coronavirus.
Coronaviruses exist

379489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #249 of 2208 🔗

I didn’t say they didn’t. I said they hadn’t been isolated.

379564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to this is my username, 4, #250 of 2208 🔗

It has been cultured in Brazil, South Korea, Netherlands and Japan. You are confusing the thing with PCR testing. You don’t need the actual live cultured virus to do the PCR test as you can select part of the genome to do the PCR test. The biggest acute problem now is that the PCR test most in use,The Drosten PCR test, is so flawed and bad and should not be used, at least not in mass testing. There are better tests combined, to use in hospitalized cases, which are the most important to diagnose correctly.

379575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to swedenborg, 1, #251 of 2208 🔗

Cultured from what? was it isolated, purified, and then re-infected? If not, then it still hasn’t followed Koch’s Postulate, and cannot be said to be identified.

379580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jinks, 1, #252 of 2208 🔗

Eve if ‘it’ has been isolated, how is it known that that which has been isolated is causing a unique disease, to which we give the name ‘covid-19’

379714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to rockoman, 4, #253 of 2208 🔗

Who knows. However, the process that is the gold standard to these charlatans, hasn’t even been followed. And, as far as I’m aware, no virus ever has been. Germ theory is a load of tosh. Terrain theory most likely. Viruses aren’t living matter. It’s an immune response of the body disposing toxins. Akin to soap scum, if you like. Dr Stefan Lanka has done great work in this field.

380401 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to swedenborg, 2, #254 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think so. I think there is still a £10,000 reward for isolating Sars-cov2 virus. There used to be a reward for isolating HIV. Not sure if that was ever claimed.

379909 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 1, #255 of 2208 🔗

Quarantine is a zero Covid policy. While it might be an option to buy time with a novel Coronavirus that is no longer the case . These are just new variants to which , if you’ve had Covid you will be immune so have zero or mild infection; if you haven’t then the new variant is as likely to kill you as the old one which isn’t much. These variants are always going to keep ahead of any vaccine. With ivermectin and HCQ/Zinc and vitamin D there has long been no need for any except the extremely frail or sick to die.

379418 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 45, #256 of 2208 🔗

After civil disobedience in Italy, Poland and the Czech Republic now comes rioting in the Netherlands.

Which is surprising in one way because I half expected it would have been the Italians and Poles to riot not the Dutch. That said the Dutch did have to put up with 5 years of brutal German occupation during World War 2.

The riots are another warning shot fired by ordinary people fed up with their lives going down the toilet and their freedoms taken away. All while the lockdowinstas continue to enjoy their pampered lifestyles.

These riots will not go away and will get uglier if TPTB don’t listen to their people. The day of reckoning is coming.


379425 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #257 of 2208 🔗

Bart, unless Brits stop complying in large numbers, what happens in the rest of Europe won’t be a help to us. I’d like to see Brits take to the streets, stop complying with masks, open their businesses. But I doubt it will happen.

379446 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to this is my username, 7, #258 of 2208 🔗

Part of me doubts too but one never knows. The worm will have to turn at some point.

379475 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #259 of 2208 🔗

I hope so

379667 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to this is my username, 13, #260 of 2208 🔗

It will never happen. The fight is no longer there, the population has been brainwashed , lied to and now controlled into complete submission. If 100 000 of us showed up there would be no riot police that could stop this..but it wont. people have too good, here slaves here is 10 mores seasons of Dancing with wankers nad Ice skating with parasites..that is all that matters to the public. I have lost faith in the Bristis people long ago, now all they are waiting is for more oppressions and more lockdowns. What is the point of going on…BTW…Just heard yesterday that an old army buddy of mine committed suicide. His business went down the pan , he lost all his lives savings so he went to his old workshop and hanged himself. At least it’s over for him. I’m sad to say I’m actually jealous.

379688 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Thomas_E, 17, #261 of 2208 🔗

He didn’t kill himself. He was murdered by this insane government and the cabal pulling at their strings. Do NOT feel jealous. Feel rage, towards those who murdered him. Anyone who has lost their life because of this monstrous agenda is a murder victim, however they lost their life, but especially if they were driven to suicide. I’m so sorry for your loss.

379427 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #262 of 2208 🔗

People with no means to feed themselves or their family will riot. The government are backing an obedient compliant population into a corner.

379443 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #263 of 2208 🔗

Agree. When they have lost everything, they will think they have nothing to lose by rioting.

379419 Puddleglum59, 34, #264 of 2208 🔗

Thank you to those who have contributed to the comments section so far today. Thus fortified I raise my weary body to do some home schooling this morning and deliver lunch and shopping bags to the vulnerable later this afternoon before walking my mum’s dog.

So, whether from Tenby or Stoke on Trent, Ashby or Aberdeen . . . Have a good day, make a difference and will see you all later. Diolch

379435 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 24, #265 of 2208 🔗

Time’s running out Bozo. Tick tock, tick tock.

Denmark. Anti Lockdown. More image’s coming in, stunning would be an understatement. These scenes make my heart sing. Long Live the People.

379437 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #266 of 2208 🔗

Anything past March when the normal flu season is over, and the sheeple need to rebel. Otherwise you might find yourself permanently locked down.

379467 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #267 of 2208 🔗

Sadly this footage could be anywhere and anytime.

Suspicious that not a single mask in evidence.

Let’s hope it is genuine.

379504 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to b_sceptic, #268 of 2208 🔗

Someone commented it happened on the 23rd Jan

379509 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to b_sceptic, 8, #269 of 2208 🔗

Fear not. It’s genuine.


The usual hilarious reporting. After a peaceful start, “demonstrators turned violent” when they were attacked by riot police.

379439 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 33, #270 of 2208 🔗

Well done to that schoolgirl in Keswick, Cumbria. Brilliant!!!!

379441 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #271 of 2208 🔗

Clearly a well parented, well rounded young person. I sincerely hopes she gets her wish soon.

379447 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to WasSteph, 3, #272 of 2208 🔗

She will likely be arrested before she goes back to school….you know ‘spreading, murdering, not following the rules’…etc.

379483 ▶▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to FerdIII, 5, #273 of 2208 🔗

Yep granny killer.

379618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to willhhand, 1, #274 of 2208 🔗

And a great grandmother killer as well.

379484 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #275 of 2208 🔗

Hear hear

379495 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #276 of 2208 🔗

I was waiting for someone to actually do this. Home pseudo school strike to go back to real face to face school.

379651 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #277 of 2208 🔗

On the one hand, maybe…

On the other hand…. protesting for the right to be sat in a classroom being fed nonsense by a semi-literate fat woman with a hairy lip doesn’t seem very bright to me.

379682 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to AidanR, 2, #278 of 2208 🔗

especially with all the trans, sjw, EU, BLM, propoganda, as well as the completely inappropriate sexual health education.

379914 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to AidanR, 3, #279 of 2208 🔗

That’s all that’s on offer unfortunately, poor girl. Still, better for the development of her immune system to be mixing.

379977 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #280 of 2208 🔗

A factory job it is then….

379442 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 28, #281 of 2208 🔗

Patel really is an authoritarian of dangerous proportions. Maybe she should do her job and keep the illegals out of the country before letting her authoritarian fantasies out to the media.

Locking people up for weeks in a hotel room and making them pay for the priviIege is evil. Shutting Primary schools is evil. Some Dutch courage might be the only way out of this. The authoritarians are flying kites they wouldn’t have dared to do last year.

379468 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to nottingham69, 20, #282 of 2208 🔗

I can’t tell you how much I now despise that woman, who is my MP unfortunately. I could not be more ashamed of myself for having supported her and voted for her. Well, it seems you’re never too old to learn but it’s a bitter lesson. Conservative? My ****! None of this government could be described as Conservative.

379482 ▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to WasSteph, 5, #283 of 2208 🔗

She’s a witch!

379496 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to willhhand, 2, #284 of 2208 🔗

She’s a termagant!

379615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to vargas99, 1, #285 of 2208 🔗


379639 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to vargas99, #286 of 2208 🔗

There’s a word I’ve not heard in a while… and yeah, she fits the definition nicely.

She still foxy though 😀

380925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, 1, #287 of 2208 🔗

Foxy???? Eye of the beholder etc!

380916 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to willhhand, 1, #288 of 2208 🔗

On the contrary, I know some very nice witches!

379540 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to nottingham69, 7, #289 of 2208 🔗

what I don’t understand is why the illegals are still coming? can they really come up with no better dream than to live under house arrest in a poky flat while being used for medical experimentation? I guess they are not told this, so like everyone else, they are being deceived and abused – should have remembered the old Russian proverb about the only place you get free cheese is in a mousetrap

379445 kh1485, 26, #290 of 2208 🔗

Angry today, reflected on today’s boards:

Britain 2021

NO Parliamentary Scrutiny;
Probably NO elections;
NO e-petitions.

Still think this is about a virus?

NB: Been to Tesco’s, no problem other than self-checkout guard having kittens over me touching two carrier bags. And, petrol prices have shot up – as was commented yesterday.

379450 nickbowes, 14, #291 of 2208 🔗

Sorry if this been posted earlier – 1 in 5 now not working. Thanks the party of “business” and thank you the so called party of the working man doing a sterling job in opposition !

utter bell-ends. Where is the Reform Party-we bloody need you !


379453 Julian, replying to Julian, 28, #292 of 2208 🔗

Universities have been largely closed since March and continue to be so. Let it not be forgotten. It is hardly discussed

Please stop calling the PM “Boris”.

David Cook (piece ATL) is too defensive – talks about the “need for NPIs”, “doing nothing not an option” and how “serious” covid is (yes, it is serious but nothing like as serious as it has been portrayed) and calls these “uncontentious assumptions”

Too many links to wishy washy MSM articles and not enough basic restatement of our case

379461 ▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, 4, #293 of 2208 🔗

Yep – Bozo is the correct designation.

379546 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #294 of 2208 🔗

Yeah the David Cook article is very poor indeed. Its as sceptic lite as they come.

379835 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Julian, #295 of 2208 🔗

Julian said Please stop calling the PM “Boris”.

I call him the Prime Mountebank.

But there are so many.

380520 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Julian, #296 of 2208 🔗

I see what you mean, but actually have a different perspective. Whether it was deliberate I don’t know, but I think by conceding on some of the less important points (and by starting off with some sort of agreement) it strengthens the main points. It comes back to the thing that was being discussed a couple of weeks ago, i.e. how to argue the case with a zealot. If you go in guns blazing and criticise everything, it never goes anywhere. The way he has written it, no one can say (for instance) “how can you say do nothing when people are dying”. It just eliminates the less important arguments that someone could jump on. I actually thought it was good

379460 iane, replying to iane, 6, #297 of 2208 🔗

I see Biden has removed Churchill from the Oval Office, whilst Bozo says there is nothing wrong with being woke. Two cheeks of the same ass!


379499 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to iane, 9, #298 of 2208 🔗

That blasted Churchill bust has been in and out of there like a yoyo for years. And still the same inane conversation continues. THERE IS NO SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.

379505 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #299 of 2208 🔗

Well said. The UK government should forget about the “Special Relationship” because there is nothing of the sort. We’re better off following the Palmerstonian dictum that there are no permanent friends or enemies only permanent interests.

The sight of Johnson toadying to Biden is excruciatingly painful.

379644 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #300 of 2208 🔗

As far as I’m aware, the ‘special’ relationship revolves entirely around the debt we owe them.

379692 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #301 of 2208 🔗

If America is opening up, see the above article, will the UK follow? ,The article seemed very upbeat..

380143 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Woden, 1, #302 of 2208 🔗

Yes apparently California and new York to open up. Both Democratic strongholds. All thanks to 46 saving them from the virus. Huzzah!!

380090 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #303 of 2208 🔗

“Special relationship” is just one of the standard topics of space-filling lazy journalism which pops up after every US election. Like “Dry January” or “New year, new you” every January, or “Should we keep the clocks permanently on British Summer Time?” every October, or “NHS overwhelmed” every winter.

379833 ▶▶ Mark, replying to iane, #304 of 2208 🔗

Our “Conservative” Party is best regarded as politically broadly equivalent to US Democrats.

379469 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #305 of 2208 🔗

The Alex Norton article in the news update about the value to stop importing the variant vaccine resistant strain while vaccinating the UK population must have the price of the most idiotic contribution.

Doesn’t he realize that there are millions of virus infected people round the world and the vast majority never sequenced? UK is full of virus infected person and the virus mutates all the time. These variants are most likely here already. It is like the UK variant earlier. The countries in Europe starting sequencing found that they already had it. This is madness to think that the disastrous policy of stopping now an endemic virus with more lockdown would be more effective.

I am just reposting a comment I did yesterday that UK might become the biggest producer of vaccine resistant strains

“There is some irony here.UK being extra vigilant for importing vaccine resistant strains and closing borders. But, according to the BMA article below, might be the prime country in the world giving 5 million doses as single, and potentially the biggest producer of resistant strains in the world due to suboptimal immunity.


“the risk it raises, from a population perspective, of enhancing virus “escape mutations” associated with suboptimal immunity, which could have potentially severe consequences, including nullifying vaccine efficacy.”

379477 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to swedenborg, 5, #306 of 2208 🔗

I see it not as a virus problem but as a sustainable planet plan.

379673 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Caramel, 2, #308 of 2208 🔗


379829 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Thomas_E, #309 of 2208 🔗

Harsh! But on the other hand, fair.

379473 DanClarke, 23, #310 of 2208 🔗

Why is Johnson standing grinning like the village idiot on that photo of an empty class? Why are the sheep cheering at having their country locked up while the mega rich who are saving the planet, don’t you know, jet around the world on their private jets.Pol P Johnson and Handpuppet and their sustainable planet globalist trousering friends are taking us to ground zero, where we will have nothing but be happy, Build Back Better ETC, as long as its not them.

379481 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 50, #311 of 2208 🔗

Why on earth do the lead writers on this site (ie those above the line not those in the comments) persist in using ‘Boris’ to describe our ghastly dictator. Who else calls their enemy by some matey nickname? I think it undermines the credibility of this site. It makes it sound like its some minor disagreement like Brexit rather then the paralysing by fear and then oppression backed by a police state of its people.

Does anyone else get sick of this mateyness?

379487 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Boris Bullshit, 18, #312 of 2208 🔗

Yes, agree

As Hitchens points out, it’s not his actual first name and apparently not even what his friends and family call him – it is used to make him appear cuddly

379497 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Julian, 14, #313 of 2208 🔗

I would like to cuddle him with some barbed wire.

379696 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Julian, #314 of 2208 🔗

It’s Al, apparently.

379488 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #315 of 2208 🔗

I’m guilty of that myself. I think I prefer “the current PM” just to emphasise the temporary nature of his position.

379491 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to WasSteph, 4, #316 of 2208 🔗

kemAl Fatterturk

379522 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, 6, #317 of 2208 🔗

you hope it’s temporary. what’s to stop them abolishing elections ‘cos covid’

380436 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #318 of 2208 🔗

Why bother with elections? Dominion can fix any election the way the globalist filth wants them to go

379510 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #319 of 2208 🔗

Pig Dictator, fat fuck, child abuser, take your pick

379519 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Boris Bullshit, 16, #320 of 2208 🔗

Agree. It is important that we use the surnames for all these morons. We also need to call all the vaccines ‘experimental’ and refer to the scientists by reference to their supposed expertise (Prof Sridhar, social anthropologist; Prof Michie, behavioural psychologist; Prof Ferguson, physicist and mathematical modeler).

379827 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #321 of 2208 🔗

Yes, absolutely. We’ve discussed this before before but it needs to be reinforced regularly as long as the persist.

It’s laziness on the part of the writers basically. He’s Johnson, not “Boris”. If you really, really need to save two characters for a headline, put some effort into thinking about it and find other way, rather than pandering to the scumbag’s self-promoting cuddly nickname for himself.

379902 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #322 of 2208 🔗

Yes, I agree and am beyond sick and tired of so many referring to Johnson as ‘Boris’, which is not something we have seen with prime ministers in the recent past. If you really must use a nickname, then surely ‘Bozo’ is the more appropriate name for the clown he is.

380162 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Bullshit, #323 of 2208 🔗

To mr, ‘Boris’ isn’t matey, it evokes the monster in Men in Black 3.

380407 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 2, #324 of 2208 🔗

I wish I was sure they mean it in that way…somehow I doubt it. I think there is a problem here in that the top end of the sceptics do see things in that matey way. On his recent podcast with Brendan O’Neil Peter Hitchens emphasised how he thought the govt and scientific advisors were acting in the best of intentions. Sorry but it does not look like that to those lower down the scale. I see them as utter shits motivated by evil and I think that more every day that this carnage carries on.

379494 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 14, #325 of 2208 🔗

If lockdown is to “Save the NHS” I think it’s reasonable to say the NHS “has blood on its hands” .

A mother of a disabled boy has a lockdown-induced mental breakdown and suffocates him.


//Of course lockdown is not to save the NHS. The most important article on Sceptics today is the ‘And finally’ entry about DAVOS and the Great Reset.

379500 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to J4mes, 9, #326 of 2208 🔗

As a brand the NHS is becoming toxic, one cannot help but wonder if that is by design. As a political football the NHS has been almost untouchable, despite this the private sector now delivers a fair bit under the publics radar. You can see criticism being levelled at the NHS in the analysis and public enquiries that will follow, branding the model as failed and needing a new solution……..

379739 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Paulus, 5, #327 of 2208 🔗

With the amount of money spent on the “measures”, every person could have been given private health insurance or the similar European style health systems. Waiting list ops could have been carried out at private hospitals if people so wished, the NHS would be in a better position than it has ever been. This is not a comment about NHS v Private just an observation. The NHS has blood on its hands for all the cancelled treatments and for discharging so many to care homes on the say so of the government and PHE.

379661 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to J4mes, 3, #328 of 2208 🔗

I feel so sorry for parents with children with special needs – prior to this ‘shitshow’ these parents got help from schools, organisations, extra carers etc, now just nothing

Open The Schools

379674 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Victoria, 2, #329 of 2208 🔗

Alas, this is the direct result of the proliferation if the nuclear family, as well the destruction of affordable housing, compelling people to move further and further away from their families and communities, further leaving them dependant on the state.

379498 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 2, #330 of 2208 🔗

Dr David Cook, another article today, is a quisling.

379535 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 1, #331 of 2208 🔗

Quisling is a bit strong but it shows how hard it is for anyone to think outside the false frame of reference that has been created

379502 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #332 of 2208 🔗

Might be a good subject for a book ‘The Wisdom of Doing Nothing’ as there does seem to be so many areas where doing nothing works best.

Actually thought the article was quite well argued, despite the fact that the ‘do nothing’ assumption should be challenged.

379527 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #333 of 2208 🔗

Do nothing is the rational default position, as doing something inevitably has costs: therefore any action, to be rational, must provide greater benefits than the costs,

379669 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #334 of 2208 🔗

I recall a discussion a few months ago between Ivor Cummins and John Lee in which the latter made the observation that it takes a brave and competent doctor to make the decision to “do nothing or just wait and see…” whereas in reality many doctors take the easy option of prescribing medication or performing an operation even though these are not necessarily in the interests of the patient. The pressure comes where the doctors themselves doubt their own judgement or are simply unable to make that judgement call, and recognise that there is less likelihood of criticism by being seen to do something even when it isn’t beneficial and can indeed be detrimental.

It strikes me that this is what we have witnessed with Vallance and Whitty but as time has gone on they have dug a deeper and deeper hole for themselves.

380137 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #335 of 2208 🔗

One of my work colleagues many years ago was a lazy sod, who did as little as he could get away with and said that in most cases if you did nothing the need would eventually go away. Actually he did have a point, though another thing that would have happened eventually would have been getting sacked – he left the company before this happened, and probably behaved similarly in his next job. But I do agree that doing nothing should be one of the options on the table in many situations.

379503 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #336 of 2208 🔗

Interesting to read the Sebastian Rushworth stuff on antobody testing in Sweden.
Here’s the UK data.
Some questions that one of our readers deep in the weeds can answer:

  1. On 4th June 42,899 antibody tests were conducted. On 24th Jan 571 such tests were conducted. Why have we so dramatically reduced this testing?
  2. Are the results of these tests published anywhere?
379517 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 4, #337 of 2208 🔗

Antibody testing probably doesn’t give the govt and SAGE what they want or need to suit their political purposes

379520 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NickR, 1, #338 of 2208 🔗

Yes the Sebastian Rushworth article and antibody data for Sweden was interesting. It has always been an open question about the relative importance of herd immunity vs seasonality in causing the epidemic curve to turning in the Spring of 2020.

Did you see this ONS publication?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey: antibody data for the UK, January 2021


379513 alw, replying to alw, 8, #339 of 2208 🔗

Quarantining people in hotels like the Nazi styled Quarantine camps in New Zealand will not prevent the virus from mutating. Watch NZ and Aus get them when they eventually open up. Just another part of the whole scam.

379528 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, 9, #340 of 2208 🔗

Yes, that’s true, and unless Boris is also going to ban all imports, the virus can get in through the ports anyway. People keep on saying that Australia and New Zealand have “beaten” the virus – no they haven’t, they’ve only delayed herd immunity.

379559 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to this is my username, 1, #341 of 2208 🔗

Governments are always looking for someone/something else to attribute blame to without looking closer at themselves and the futile attempts to control something which they will never be able to control.

379612 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, 3, #342 of 2208 🔗

The idea of “futile attempts” still gives credence to the idea that that is what they are trying to do. The plan was always to crash the economy, and it was never about a virus – that’s my conclusion after a year. They want a financial reset, and the virus is the excuse.

379664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to this is my username, #343 of 2208 🔗

Time for a worldwide debt Jubilee methinks. Something that should have been granted to the developing nation decades ago, and scandalously hasn’t. After all, the bastards owed the money, just printed it up out of thin air and then charging us interest on it. Clean the slate. Distribution of currency inside the country, and trade on an equal footing out. UK Column have spoken for years about Bradbury pound. Currency will be controlled by the people

379533 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to alw, 5, #344 of 2208 🔗

NZ already has one today. The so-called “South African” variant has magically appeared. Remember when you weren’t allowed to name a virus after a place because it was insulting? Oh, sorry, right – that only applied to Wuhan.

379589 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #345 of 2208 🔗

don’t upset the commies in China because they are evil murdering scum and they’ll come for you if you say anything

379655 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 4, #346 of 2208 🔗

Viruses mutate all the time and the sooner we get exposed to them the better for our health/immune system.

Message to all government advisers: You cannot stop a virus

379862 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, #347 of 2208 🔗


379514 B.F.Finlayson, 6, #348 of 2208 🔗

A new group of experts has been set up

I feel safer already. Where would we be without self appointed fence-sitting middle-class academics and their ‘groups’/’committees’/’declarations’/’reports’/’blogs’ ?
Reassuring also that the Tories’ own Silvikrin Girl is worried about the education of working class kids, gawd bless ‘er. . I need to wipe away the tears of deep welling emotion.
Now let’s get back to arguing about graphs while another 2,000+ more lifetimes are effectively binned today by this incompetent frit government’s lockdown.

379515 alw, replying to alw, 7, #349 of 2208 🔗

“As a reminder, there is no law stopping schools opening. There is no health and safety law stopping them opening.It is a policy decision by Heads and local authorities. By contrast, Education Act 1996 s13 provides a positive duty to provide efficient education” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1353811552835497984 )

379877 ▶▶ gina, replying to alw, 2, #350 of 2208 🔗

I home educated my three younger children and had to prove to the Offsted inspector – sent once a year – that I was providing an education ‘suitable to their age, ability and aptitude.’
Along with their academic studies I had to demonstrate that they had sufficient social interaction with their peers, physical education, etc.
Staring at a screen for hours every day cannot by any definition constitute such a ‘suitable’ education. Are any of the back to school pressure groups using the Act in any way? Would it be possible to make a case against an LEA for refusing provision?

379516 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 27, #351 of 2208 🔗

I have spent the weekend at my sons, don’t rat on me please!. Seriously though, I feel so sorry for my teenage grandson and think back to his dad at the same age. He should be out doing what kids do, finding his feet in the world and occasionally getting up to no good. The ‘schooling’ is virtually none existent, he is quite a bright kid but what about those who need more help?. The whole thing disgusts me when it is all being done based on lies, kids are at virtually no risk and teachers no more than Susan in the local Tesco.

Someone on here yesterday said something that was simple but profound. Since when has a pandemic needed a marketing campaign?. We on here know the answer to that, but unfortunately too many numpties don’t see what is happening in plain sight now. I’m going home today after being snowed in, feeling quite down and not looking forward to the usual arguments with my head in the sand husband. Wish me luck!.

379547 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hellonearth, 16, #352 of 2208 🔗

“Since when has a pandemic needed a marketing campaign?”


379586 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Hellonearth, 6, #353 of 2208 🔗

Your husband is a coward, call him a fucking tosser from me. Tell him you won’t fuck him any more because you like men not fucking cowards

379595 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, 2, #354 of 2208 🔗

I find you to be utterly revolting. If we’re dependent on people like you to argue our case then it’s no wonder we’re on the backfoot. Fuckin this, fucking that… it doesn’t make you any tougher in text than you might be in real life.

379725 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to J4mes, 3, #355 of 2208 🔗

Biker is always forthright in his way ,good on him, But if that head in the sand bloke cant’ see thru this shite by now ??

379807 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Woden, 1, #356 of 2208 🔗

I see no evidence in Hellonearth’s initial comment to suggest her husband is a coward. What prompted such a venomous attack on the bloke from Biker?

And if the attack was pointed at her grandson’s dad, again, where is the evidence he is a coward?

The VERY last thing we need is division. We need to understand that the goal of the government is to isolate us, and alienate us from one another which makes us more vulnerable.

379874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to J4mes, #357 of 2208 🔗

How do we not sow division though? If one side is not willing to listen how do we get through to them. Whilst in the comfort of their own ivory tower they don’t care about the trail of destruction. If we don’t call them cowards what do we call them. Idiots/ brainwashed/ deluded/ ignorant?

379888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JHUNTZ, #358 of 2208 🔗

If Hellonearth had said her husband was denying her grandson his freedoms via this lockdown lunacy, I might have some understanding for Biker’s fucking attack.

If this attack was intended for the boy’s dad, there still lacks enough evidence to support calling him a coward. Can you quote anything from the original comment to support this attack?

380416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to J4mes, 4, #359 of 2208 🔗

It is Bikers way and I didn’t take offence, thank you anyway if you felt that I would have been and came to my defence. My son is completely in my sceptic camp, this is great when we are together and can let rip at all the idiocy and lies. My husband is just not prepared to believe our government would deliberately ruin the country!. At the same time he had no issues with me breaking the ‘rules’ and travelling to another household.

381231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to J4mes, #360 of 2208 🔗

Could biker be conflating hellonearth with HellzBellz, who also has an unempathetic husband?

Just sayin’…..

379771 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to J4mes, #361 of 2208 🔗

J4mes diplomatically well speaking journalists and politicians have got us in this mess. There is a cowardice in this population that is being coerced and manipulated into slavery. It may require some epithets and aggression to wake them up.

379818 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JHUNTZ, #362 of 2208 🔗

I think you miss the point. This tough guy, Biker, is inexplicably attacking this person’s husband who doesn’t even factor into her original comment.

379866 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to J4mes, #363 of 2208 🔗

That wasn’t what you said?

379913 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JHUNTZ, #364 of 2208 🔗

I have further clarified my position. Can you substantiate your defence of Biker?

379991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dan, replying to J4mes, 1, #365 of 2208 🔗

If you’re lucky,you might get a reply from that naughty Biker….oh I hope you do…….

380323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to dan, #366 of 2208 🔗

So do I. I expect he’ll probably call me a fucking idiot with a few other insults in there for good measure.

379643 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #367 of 2208 🔗

Propoganda has always been used to sell an agenda. I was 12yrs old when the monstrous “babies thrown from the incubator” saturation news coverage, and the thing that struck me, (and started me down the rabbit-hole) at the time, was that Saatchi&Saatchi was paid by the UK government for managing the media. But then again, we still had real journalists back then. But for myself personally, I’ve never trusted the “news”, or anything else, on face-value since.

379788 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jinks, 1, #368 of 2208 🔗

Was that propaganda in relation to Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait?

379870 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #369 of 2208 🔗


379647 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #370 of 2208 🔗

At our local school 70% of children are at school (key worker children) and the other 30% stays at home and are socially and educationally excluded.

Open The Schools

Children follow the example from the schoolgirl above

380217 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #371 of 2208 🔗

Your spirit is magnificent.

380423 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Annie, 2, #372 of 2208 🔗

Thanks Annie. I don’t always feel that way but try to keep fighting the lies and will not stop seeing those that I love.

381243 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #373 of 2208 🔗

I salute you and feel even more determined to visit son and d-i-l when their twins are due to be born next week.
Almost despaired at Wancock’s assertion of the illegality of leaving the house. That tosser will not take this moment from me. I’ll pay the damn fine if I have to.
You will have been a comfort to your son and grandson.

379518 davews, replying to davews, 6, #374 of 2208 🔗

Must say I have only skimmed the articles on the main page today, they are getting less LS day by day though obviously they have a narrow margin in what can be said to stop the site being taken down. Now off to dentist….

379537 ▶▶ iane, replying to davews, 5, #375 of 2208 🔗

Yes, getting rather repetitive and boring; stunning too that the evidence against Lockdown is now so extensive – and so completely ignored by our fatuous and Fascist government!

379541 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to davews, 11, #376 of 2208 🔗

I think they realise that nothing has worked and nothing is going to so I believe the tone is now one of acceptance that HMS Lockdown is on a course that will not be veered off regardless of how many arguments are made that lockdowns do not work . It is understandable and I don’t criticise them for that but the main thrust should now be obtaining a proper normal in the future and NOT one tethered to being permanently fearful of a disease that is not particurlarly harmful to the vast majority.

379545 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to davews, 5, #377 of 2208 🔗

I think the daily update is getting too big -what with all the main features and the links , you could spend hours on it. Sometimes more is less.

379521 alw, 2, #378 of 2208 🔗

“Like you all, I too am a victim….of the malign & extended effects of policy for which there is no evidence. You’re entirely free to ignore everything I write. So how critics believe me asking questions leads to deaths seems to me to irrational & causes me to question their motives.”(Source: https://threader.app/thread/1353651415982481411 )

379523 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #379 of 2208 🔗

In March Ferguson predicted 800 deaths from covid in our village

Still waiting for our first one

379531 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 11, #380 of 2208 🔗

I still don’t know anyone who’s had it.

379534 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 8, #381 of 2208 🔗

Our local Ferguson predicted 4,000 in our town of 150,000. We had 100. Nobody under 60 years of age.

This guy shamed local businesses into closing claims credit for acting early and saving so many lives.

379544 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #382 of 2208 🔗

Ferguson shamed nobody into closing, the Tory’s lockdown legislation forced them into it. Ferguson is not the executive government, just a long discredited advisor who is not very good at maths. .

379624 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #383 of 2208 🔗

I think Ferguson is probably OK at maths and works with people who are excellent mathematicians. What he’s unable to do is objectively assess his own assumptions and how his beliefs and opinions influence them and consequently his models. It is also clear that his modelling is inextricably linked with his ego which means that he can never admit to them being even slightly flawed. He also loves to feed that ego in the press and every pronouncement of doom he makes puts further pressure on the government. Of course the government could quite easily deal with that but they seem quite happy with it. They are all accountable.

379646 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Achilles, 3, #384 of 2208 🔗

A degree in physics does not make a good data scientist.

379697 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #385 of 2208 🔗

100% agree. My point is that Fergusons problem is not that he can’t do maths. Mathematics is just the engineering in his models. His failure is in the assumptions he makes, which data he choses to use or ignore, how he choses to interpret that data within the model, etc. His models are projection on top of inference on top of assumption. He then compounds this by implying or at the very least letting it be misinterpreted that the results are virtually fact by referring to it as a “reasonable” scenario. It doesn’t matter whether he puts a “this is not a prediction” disclaimer on everything he does he knows every model and pronouncement he makes has a direct influence on policy and people’s lives and livelihoods.

379745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Achilles, #386 of 2208 🔗

Yes, agreed. Maybe his background in theoretical physics is the problem. In theoretical physics, you are often dreaming up whacky theories that fit patchy data, then contorting maths/models to fit. He has normalised that and is applying that process everywhere. Sounds like he got taught some skills in his education that he didn’t fully understand the limit of – bit of a mad scientist?

379791 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #387 of 2208 🔗

Not to mention that he could play like that without significant real world implications. Now every time he choses to round a number up or down can affect whether someone gets their cancer treatment or not.

379542 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Cecil B, 3, #388 of 2208 🔗

Just wait two more weeks.

379757 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #389 of 2208 🔗

Ask for your money back.

379526 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #390 of 2208 🔗

The police tribunal in Brussels issued a judgment on 12 January acquitting a man summoned for non-wearing of a mask, according to his lawyer, Hélène Alexandris. The judge concluded that the enforced wearing of the mask in public space was unconstitutional. Interior Minister Annelies Verlinden said the public prosecutor has appealed against the decision.


380224 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #391 of 2208 🔗

let’s hope for dozens, nay hundreds of similar decisions in countries where not every judge is a poodle.

379529 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 6, #392 of 2208 🔗

Someone posted this graph from NHS England in Going Postal yesterday showing deaths in the 80+ age group.

It does seem to show an increase in trend immediately after vaccine rollout and follows the news from Gibraltar.

379550 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biggles, 7, #393 of 2208 🔗

Arguing using graphs to attempt to prove or disprove a phantom virus has done absolutely nothing to stop the advancement of this communist nightmare.

379581 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Biggles, #394 of 2208 🔗

What was the news from Gibraltar?

379593 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Andrew K, #395 of 2208 🔗

A large spike in deaths after the vaccine started being administered they had gone until the 11th November until the first death then 16 total up until the vaccination started

379583 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Biggles, 2, #396 of 2208 🔗

Hopefully someone can collate more data for other countries as well but we must remember that correlation doesn’t equal causation. Gibraltar should be starting it’s second doses on Sunday it will be interesting to see if another spike occurs and what they will do as they are due to start easing lockdown next week.

379587 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Biggles, 1, #397 of 2208 🔗

Isreal would be an interesting one as well.

380200 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Biggles, #398 of 2208 🔗

Worldometer deaths: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/gibraltar/

Could be difficult to prove despite appearing obviously something to do with the arrival of vaccine (I doubt Gibraltar has doses available the very first day of 8 December)

379530 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 17, #400 of 2208 🔗

I often wake up to the sound of the radio. LBC to be precise, but I only listen for about 5 minutes at most, as that is all I can stomach. Nick Ferrari seems so pathetic now. These days when I listen to a talk show, it’s almost exclusively Youtube or TalkRadio. Anyway, does anyone get the feeling that EVERY time they tune into the mainstream radio (or the news etc) that almost every discussion feels.. hollow and pointless? Like for example, should we wear one mask or two… discussing variants… the latest quarantine measures… this that and the other. Everything feels utterly pointless, like an alternate universe where all of these talking points matter – but they don’t, because they’re all bollocks and founded on hokey made up science. You’d have more accuracy consulting an Ouija board. It seems rare to find a discussion about the actual reality of this situation, and when they do come along it’s ALWAYS interlaced with ‘because of the pandemic’ and ‘because of coronavirus’ and never ‘because of the government’ etc.

Nearly one year on and we’re still taping up benches…
Police saying ‘you’re killing people!’ to people in a park…
Still ignoring reality and embracing this new religion..

Just put me on Elon Musk’s mars mission.

379543 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Vir Cotto, 6, #401 of 2208 🔗

yup that’s why i don’t listen to the radio/media – it’s an echo chamber of repeated rubbish by one so called expert or another. Actually I tried classic fm yesterday and then the news came on and the off button was swiftly hit. CDs and other music generally.

379634 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #402 of 2208 🔗

I’m listening to Scala radio atm. News isn’t so MSM driven. Fewer irritating ppe adds!

379721 ▶▶▶ nootnoot, replying to penelope pitstop, 13, #403 of 2208 🔗

I hate that radio ad that says “We are going through the biggest health crisis of our generation”. When ever I hear it I shout at it and say “NO, we are living through the biggest government fuck up of our time”.

379942 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #404 of 2208 🔗

I listen to Fip, its in French, I don’t speak French so its bliss

379568 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #405 of 2208 🔗

Makes you wonder if they are stringing the narrative along to keep themselves in a job or the limelight.

The MSM could end this overnight but choose not to whether by cowardice, coercion or evil.

With everybody trapped indoors they have a captive audience.

379596 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to stefarm, 3, #406 of 2208 🔗

Doom sells from a MSM point of view no more brexit and no more trump to use now .

380627 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to pvenkman, #407 of 2208 🔗

Yes, don’t underestimate the massive gap in MSM airtime left by Trump’s demise. For the last four years they have had daily two-minutes-hate against Trump and now – nothing. There will be a short love-in with Biden and then he will be largely ignored, particularly if things start to go badly wrong in the USA.

379649 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Vir Cotto, 12, #408 of 2208 🔗

The tactic of diverting discussion away from “should there be a lockdown or not?” and into “should you wear a mask or a visor or a mask and a visor or a gas mask or a Venetian carnival mask or a plastic bag secured around your neck with an elastic band?” has been extraordinarily effective in shutting down all debate of the important stuff, cementing their desired narrative and fragmenting people’s minds with unimportant twaddle. The same, really, goes for all the graphs and stats. Even if the worst-case graphs and stats are correct (which they obviously aren’t), lockdown is STILL wrong, disastrous and hellishly counterproductive. It’s as simple as that.

We have been distracted to death.

380621 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #409 of 2208 🔗

It’s pretty much like that talking to anybody who is a non-sceptic also (ie, most people). At best you get a shrug and a ‘well, what can you do?’

379532 alw, replying to alw, 26, #410 of 2208 🔗

“We are in unprecedented times. Not because of the deadliest virus known to mankind, but because we have never been attacked with such ferocious psychological methods as is deliberately being done today by our UK and Scottish governments; measures to coerce us, manipulate us, to scare us, to shame us, and to make us shame other people for not following orders pertaining to COVID–19 measures.

We have been warned previously by many who suffered totalitarian communism in Eastern Europe. We were warned for many decades that such a moment would come to the West if we were not vigilant enough; unfortunately, it seems that our watchfulness has failed and our liberty has been stolen….

In our COVID–19 Brave New Normal, let us not ignore the warnings of the past and the historical events through which totalitarian regimes came to flourish. A totalitarian medical technocracy is now being forced upon us. Let us be courageous, let us be brave. We have to do this for our children and grandchildren. If we do not, they will never forgive us and we will never be able to forgive ourselves.”


379560 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to alw, #411 of 2208 🔗

Not that many are being coerced, its mainly because there’s actually no where to go. Businesses have been the main culprit despite the ‘fines’ not reaching court for obvious reasons.

379536 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #412 of 2208 🔗

Only a matter of time before we start talking about ‘hard’ lockdowns and ‘soft’ lockdowns.

379574 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to PatrickF, 8, #413 of 2208 🔗

Yes, this is what we get when we have scientifically illiterate politicians “leading” scientifically illiterate people. (I’ve come to realise that the vast majority of people simply don’t understand science. I have a science background and worked on electron microscopes so I understand small. They just don’t understand that you cannot stop something that is very very small and extremely numerous, you just have to live with it).

379625 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #414 of 2208 🔗

Listening to politicians and their expert advisers (not to mention the so called journalists) talking about the virus as though it is alive, sentient, has emotions and intentions, tactics and can execute plans would be hilarious if it were satire.

379585 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PatrickF, #415 of 2208 🔗

Also known as “Tiers”

379548 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #417 of 2208 🔗

Another day another streamed concert.

While our orchestras have been forcibly silenced yet again those abroad have been carrying on even behind closed doors.

Last night Mr Bart & I watched the Bavarian State Orchestra conducted by Zubin Mehta and featuring Finnish soprano Camilla Nylund.

Not much social distancing (1 metre tops) and Mehta at 85 years old shows he ain’t afraid of no virus by shaking hands with Nylund at the end and even gallantly kissing her hand while the rest of the orchestra applauded.

Compare and contrast this with our spineless orchestras with their slavish adherence to the absurd 2 metre rule and swerving like crazy.

Ming the Merciless couldn’t have been more apt:

379570 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #418 of 2208 🔗

Was that Strauss’ Four Last Songs? I’m sorry I missed that. Although the concept of the virtual concert hall does stick in my craw, I’m feeling quite starved. (To be fair, Bangkok isn’t exactly a hotbed of western classical music concerts at the best of times. Despite the best efforts of the gloriously insane composer, conductor and horror novelist S.P. Somtow, artistic director of Opera Siam.)

379577 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #419 of 2208 🔗
379578 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Bart Simpson, #420 of 2208 🔗

Thank you! I shall enjoy that.

379584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #421 of 2208 🔗

Your welcome. It was a great performance and I got to see the inside of the concert hall which makes me want to visit when this shit show is over.

379551 PWL, 3, #422 of 2208 🔗

From Latest ICNARC Graphs: Amongst General Reattribution Of Other Illness To Covid-19, Pneumonia From Flu Is A Thing Of The Past :

Figure 18 gives us a clue that this is happening. It suggests that anything that the NHS can get away with calling pneumonia, will finally get called Covid-19. It also suggests that most cases of pneumonia are being reattributed to Covid-19.

Figure 19 is the most interesting graph of all because it shows that ICU admissions for patients with pneumonia leading from flu bumping along all year after April at, or just above, zero. This condition, it would seem, has gone the same way as polio, but more so, and is apparently a thing of the past.

379553 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #423 of 2208 🔗

Still think the covid bug was jumped on by the sustainable planet zealots and they won’t let go. While the mega rich jet around the globe, they want us to save their planet for them.

379614 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to DanClarke, 1, #424 of 2208 🔗

Lol, no. They don’t want us to save their planet for them cause they don’t actually believe the planet needs saving. All they want us to do is stay off their beaches, stay off their tropical islands, stay off their ski slopes, stay out of their forests, and stay out of their vacation spots.

379620 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 4, #425 of 2208 🔗

They want a return to the bad old days when travel was the preserve only of the mega rich, slebs, politicians and royals.

They don’t want us the riff raff going to the same places as they do.

380013 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #426 of 2208 🔗

As I frequently point out, they’ve been wanting to put ordinary people back in their box and confined to their localities since the introduction of the railways.

380317 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #427 of 2208 🔗

Indeed. They think that we peasants should know our place and go back to a “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short” life.

380443 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #428 of 2208 🔗

There’s a problem with that though. They can’t recruit an army of willing teenagers and ‘uni’ students by telling them they have to do environmental work in Bradford or Jaywick or Elephant and Castle. Very few of them will want to pull supermarket trollies out of canals in Birmingham; they would rather be saving turtles in Madagascar or something. It’s hard to promote the idea of globalism if everyone is forced to stay in their own country.

379554 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 27, #429 of 2208 🔗

I do believe it might be starting. And in Holland too. Normally the extremely pissed-off already Froggies would be getting out their Jaunes, and used as they are to wearing masks against CS gas fired by the CRS, social distancing might have to go. But the Dutch? There’s a lot of scores to be settled in repressed Holland – a lot of them racial. Anybody who has worked with Dutch guys, and I have, a lot, know them to be very …. direct. Rutte might indeed have a civil war on his hands as the mayor of Eindhoven warns. It won’t stay in house for long, either. Bring it on. Boris and his Toytown fascists thought they had, as Ferguson said, ‘got away with it’. It ain’t necessarily so. Bring it on. See if the Derbyshire rozzers can save you. They may well have built you a scaffold.


379640 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #430 of 2208 🔗

Indeed. I have worked in the Netherlands. A generalisation is that they are educated, civilised and pleasant. All true but also blunt to a fault. They will tell you what’s what in no uncertain terms if you’re being a bit of an idiot. Push them and you’ll hear or feel the benefit of their opinion. I look on with hope and interest.

379921 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to WasSteph, 2, #431 of 2208 🔗

Yes, they don’t hold back and are a lot like the Danes, who have been good about protesting recently.

379557 Cerulean, replying to Cerulean, 1, #432 of 2208 🔗


Don’t know of this video has already been shared on here but it’s a fascinating take on our current situation.

380331 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Cerulean, #433 of 2208 🔗


Thanks for sharing. Way to explosive for alt but great for us to hear and see another, coherent, learned, specialist in her field doctor giving us her take – and what a super interesting take it is.

She should be our Health Minister – we’ve got Handjob.

He should be fired, not from his position, not even with a gun but fired from underneath his feet, tied to a post, surrounded by straw and combustibles – properly fired. It’s cold out, we could do with a little warmth and his pathetic screaming would serve as suitable discouragement to anyone else who wishes to fuck with the people of this country.

I haven’t decided what to do with Johnson yet. It will most likely include pliers and a blow-torch at some point though.

Lessons must be learnt- yeah, they’re fond of that one.

379558 isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #434 of 2208 🔗

Crushing the aviation industry was always part of the plan

379579 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to isobar, 4, #435 of 2208 🔗

Only for the rich in their Lear jets.

379597 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to isobar, 7, #436 of 2208 🔗

I think crushing the aviation industry has been a goal for these people since the end of WW2.

The invention of the automobile and its subsequent industrialization means that the masses had the means to travel long distances in short spans of times, and afford it. It was a huge step towards individual freedom. But it happened at the very start of the 20th century, in a very capitalist USA, which had no interest to limit people’s freedom. Quite the contrary, the freer the people, the more they would spend.

Then at the end of WW2, former war pilots would came home to their dusty cars, fearing that they’ll never experience the freedom of flight ever again. So the industry responded with a boom of airplanes. Everyone was competing over making the fastest, the most maneuverable, the best looking, the most luxurious general aviation, small, 2-6 seater airplanes. Airfields were popping up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. There was even a whole neighborhood built around an airport with the idea that you would want to drive your personal plane to your house and park it in your own garage.

And then, somehow, it all went away. It seemed like planes would become the new car. It seemed like everyone would have the ultimate freedom of flight, no longer being restricted to roads. But it never happened. Maybe we could say that the market didn’t want flight, that it was too scary. But it also used to be very scary going 30mph in a car, but we got over that. I do believe that the collapse of flight in the US is due to government policies and manipulation, in an attempt to limit people’s freedom. And now, they’re taking it further. Up until last year we couldn’t fly exactly where, when, and how we wanted, but we could at least benefit from aviation to get close to where we want to go in a timely manner. But now they’re trying to stop that too, because they probably consider that it was a mistake to allow us even that little freedom.

379611 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #437 of 2208 🔗

Well argued, I agree!

379730 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #438 of 2208 🔗

A friend of mine attended a course in Transportation at Swiss Technical University last year. One of the lecturers was an anti-airline eco-fanatic and digital technocrat. He was absolutely overjoyed at the first lockdown, just thought it was not long enough. He must be very happy now. Funny, though, his lectures were interspersed with ‘and when I was at a conference in Auckland/Buenos Aires/Seattle/etc…..

380358 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #439 of 2208 🔗

Because it’s nearly always ‘one rule for thee and one for me’. They want to keep the existing infrastructure of airports but reserve them for the elites. Otherwise how are people like Al Gore going to be able to fly around the world telling us that we shouldn’t be flying around the world?

379800 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to isobar, 5, #440 of 2208 🔗

Guys go join Freedom Airways – Prof Cahill, Catherine Austin Fitts et al. making travel happen again (first Zoom meeting is on 02/02). The rebellion is under way.
Stop focusing on what the useless politicians are doing and re-focus on what we want to see in the world… and yes this involves change for the benefit of nature but NOT to the diktat of Klaus fucking Schwab.
Mass Civil Disobedience! Have you noticed how all laws are suggestions and not actually laws…!?!? Well I suggest that we RISE up to the occasion.
*Change is inevitable, chaos is optional.* It’s time for CHANGE in our attitude and taking this laying down. Stay peaceful, respectful, but say NO. Or “fuck off” depending on your daily mood!

379858 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Pebbles, 2, #441 of 2208 🔗

Anyone noticed the Extinction Rebellion have gone very quiet lately?

What has happened over the past 12 months must have been like living in heaven for them.

379868 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #442 of 2208 🔗

I recall Emma Thompson flying over 6000 miles from LA to join in on the very day those useful idiots showed up at Heathrow to protest air travel. What a joke.

380008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, #443 of 2208 🔗

A solitary Higgs boson would die of loneliness in the cavernous empty space between that idiot’s ears.

380368 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #444 of 2208 🔗

And yet when one single solitary actor (Laurence Fox) starts political campaigning for the ‘wrong’ side, the wokerati go into a collective meltdown.

379561 Cristi.Neagu, 9, #445 of 2208 🔗

That article about informed consent doesn’t ask the most important question: “If I take the vaccine, what is the actual risk of becoming ill, or dying?”

379562 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 32, #446 of 2208 🔗

Saturday 30th January the great reopening. It should also be the day of civil disobedience. Get out there, tell people to take their muxxles off, tell people it will get worse unless we the people stop it. By me and my wife will eat in any open restaurant on Saturday.

379607 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrew K, 2, #447 of 2208 🔗

Me goo

379631 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Andrew K, 10, #448 of 2208 🔗

I count 8 pubs, cafes, restaurants in our village. We are in Priti central and I doubt anyone is brave enough to open. I’m taking a walk on Saturday and will buy a drink at any place that’s open so long as they let me sit down inside and don’t even mention face coverings or sanitiser.

379751 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to WasSteph, 5, #449 of 2208 🔗

That’s it, it has to be really open, as in normal.

379642 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 4, #450 of 2208 🔗

Hear, hear!! Mr Bart and I would happily support any pub, restaurant or cafe that will open on the 30th.

380253 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Andrew K, #451 of 2208 🔗

Remind them that they are aiding an abetting the government mandating lockdowns and so causing the delays in treatment for anything other than Covid (mostly mis-labelled flu – Delores Cahill work), destruction of the economy

380337 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrew K, #452 of 2208 🔗

I’m assuming no list is available of those intending to open. (for obvious reasons). It’s a pity though as I’m pretty sure no business in my village will open but I’m willing to motor somewhere within an hour’s drive or so to support anyone open. I guess some will just open for a day as a protest, others may decide to keep open permanently – I will keep an eye out.

379563 Biker, replying to Biker, 47, #453 of 2208 🔗

They don’t give a fuck about your child’s education, just like they don’t give a fuck about you. Just shut the fuck up, wear a fucking mask and take the god damn fucking vaccine. Get a fucking smart phone and log in to Big Government where they’ll track and trace you forever and ever and ever and ever. Get this fucking stupid idea out your peasant minds that your life is yours, it’s not. You will do exactly what they say when they fucking say it. This is their final solution and you don’t have any fucking choice. And don’t forget to enjoy it, they want you to smile while they rape you in the ass. Pissant pathetic so called liberals and conservatives who know so little that is to say they know fuck all, doesn’t cover it, want you to perform for them like a dancing fucking dog. These are the people you’ve to give up your life to keep safe. Never in the history of the world have so many dumb people gathered round the dumbest ideas ever thought to force on you while telling you that they are right and you will do what they say or you will have to be killed. It won’t be long before the camps open and your bread baking yummy mummy from the BBC light entertainment department is lighting them ovens and baking your libertarian ass. No elections for us, stolen fake elections in America and evil eugenic cunts like Bill Gates injecting god knows what into Africans and all the while the evil commies in China operate a giant concentration camp, the very thing coming for you and your children. We are to live like the prisoners over there. The only solution is all out war. Make no mistake about this. You will have to fight for your life. The next five years are gonna be worse than the last war.

379598 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Biker, 8, #454 of 2208 🔗

A permanent biometric pharmo-fascist prison awaits us all!

379641 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 7, #455 of 2208 🔗

Never in the history of the world have so many dumb people gathered round the dumbest ideas ever thought to force on you while telling you that they are right …

Good way of putting it.

Sorry to hear about your ‘old dear’, as you posted the other evening, which I guess refers to something you wrote a few months ago. We didn’t invent the human condition.

379790 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Biker, 3, #456 of 2208 🔗

Mass Civil Disobedience and an onslaught of lawsuits… there is no other way. Britain… RISE to the challenge! Say NO.

379565 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #457 of 2208 🔗

Surely there aren’t any tories out there who still suppoirt our badly dressed adulterous communist buffoon leader?

379588 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to chaos, 3, #458 of 2208 🔗

I’m sure there are and I’m sure there will be much flag waving and cheering when Matt Hancock is knighted for his efforts.

379594 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to muzzle, 10, #459 of 2208 🔗

Knighted with a fucking chainsaw..

380441 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Bruce Reynolds, -1, #460 of 2208 🔗

A rusty one.

379600 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 5, #461 of 2208 🔗

Sadly there are and I know some – even some who are reasonably sceptical still defend him as a victim with no choice who valiantly fights for our liberty – I think his somewhat unique style – a clowny version of Trump, and his “delivery” of Brexit, have bought him more kudos than he deserves

379608 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to chaos, 4, #462 of 2208 🔗

It’s gallows humour that the Tories claim to be conservative while implementing the hardest form of socialism this country has ever had inflicted upon it.

379621 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to chaos, 2, #463 of 2208 🔗

Not me, just ashamed that I ever did.

379650 ▶▶ leggy, replying to chaos, 1, #464 of 2208 🔗

I know a local Tory member – he still pins the blame on an hysteric media, not a word can be said against the party. It’s bizarre.

379733 ▶▶ iane, replying to chaos, 1, #465 of 2208 🔗

Just the tribalists – sadly there are a lot of those!

379569 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #466 of 2208 🔗

The Pig Dictator ramped up the hysteria among the Covidians to the point that the Covidians are desperate for the ‘vaccine’

The ‘vaccine’ program is now failing and the Covidians are starting to turn on the Pig Dictator

It’s gone past the point where the Pig Dictator can say hang a minute guys it’s all a hoax, a bit of a giggle. The Covidians will not be unfeared


Get out of that you fat fuck

379572 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 4, #467 of 2208 🔗

I hope that he doesn’t!

379619 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 2, #468 of 2208 🔗

I love your way with words, Cecil. Sometimes so elegant, sometimes just to the f*cking point. Bravo.

379736 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 6, #469 of 2208 🔗

New poster: “Look him in the eye and say ‘Get out of that, you fat fuck'”.
(c) CB.

380326 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #470 of 2208 🔗

Isn’t it possible that the Covidians simply say ‘oh well, we just have to wait until a better vaccine comes along; in the meantime, we all just have to get used to permanent lockdown’. ?

379590 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #471 of 2208 🔗

Thanks for the link on UK antibody testing.
Throws up more questions than it answers, such as, how come it went down, what role for memory cells. How should the cumulative build up be represented rather than this snapshot approach?

379602 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 1, #472 of 2208 🔗

and why so much lower than Sweden when the epidemic has followed a similar course?

maybe this is the downside of lockdown that has been discussed before. Sweden didn’t lockdown so their yoof were out and about getting immunity that doesn’t show up in the figures because they were so mild. we have prevented ours from building up immunity while it has still gone through the vulnerable

379603 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 2, #473 of 2208 🔗

More antibodies would tend to undermine their narrative so I doubt there will be any serious attempt to understand the role they play and the real data

379677 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 3, #474 of 2208 🔗

And the fact that New Zealand banned the import of antibody test kits in February 2020 was just another of the coincidences which seem to haunt the Covid narrative, of course.

379707 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, 2, #475 of 2208 🔗

I’m no immunologist, but wouldn’t you expect antibody levels to drop in summer when considering a seasonal illness? As I understand it, antibodies are short lived anyway. Long term protection comes from T-cells.

379712 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NickR, 1, #476 of 2208 🔗

Yes agree it’s hard to interpret.

You would have wanted them to test the same people each month (like they used to do with the PCR test to come up with new ‘infections’ based on the first positive test) then you would know the number of people who had ever tested positive for antibodies (that would have sorted the waning antibody measuring issue).

So difficult to interpret because of waning antibodies, and then there is all the unmeasured T cell protection (prior immunity T cells and fought off with minimal symptoms and now T cells but no measurable antibodies cases) which is potentially a hidden iceberg.

The regional graphs look interesting.

The North West, Yorkshire and Humberside antibody prevalence has relative to other regions increased from Summer to December, consistent with genuine covid in these regions in the autumn, and because these regions were less hit in Spring and relatively more hit in Autumn (?)

And in December low antibody prevalence in the South East suggests they are relatively more susceptible than some other regions. So the relative increase in covid+ in the South East is because they were relatively more susceptible not because of a mutant strain( ?)

It seems to me we think too much of immunity as a binary option (immune or not) but in reality there is probably some immunity in most of the population now, except the most immuno-compromised. Some who encountered SARS-C0V-2 in April with a small viral load built some protection, may still be affected by covid if say hit my a high viral load in Autumn but won’t be as badly affected as they might have been in April. Overall it means genuine (as opposed to labelled) covid deaths (and other respiratory deaths) in autumn show up in UK mortality as a bad but not untypical respiratory season.

Just my speculation.

379724 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #477 of 2208 🔗

The English regional graph

379777 ▶▶ ituex, replying to NickR, 1, #478 of 2208 🔗

Antibodies decrease with time but memory is retained to reactivate if necessary. So in the population they would decline when fewer people had actually been infected, so after the summer, and then start to increase again in the population as more people are infected in the autumn and winter.

379591 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #479 of 2208 🔗

Dr. David Cook:

“1. COVID-19 is a serious new human disease.’

So, is the suite of symptoms unique?

If a patient with a cough, a fever and loss of smell presents to a doctor, can the doctor say on the basis of these unique symptoms that the patient has covid-19?

379617 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to rockoman, 3, #480 of 2208 🔗

If a doctor did say that, I could prove the contrary. I had a stinking cold/flu/random coronavirus in Bali in 2017, two weeks coughing and fever, whole-body rash towards the end and 48 hours of complete loss of sense of smell. It was weird. I cooked pasta with garlic and prawns and literally all I could taste was salt (through the tongue), nothing from scent at all.

Of course, it may have been SARS-CoV2. Just because they hadn’t decided to define it yet doesn’t mean it didn’t already exist.

379701 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #481 of 2208 🔗

Quite. I’ve had several colds over the years that really messed with my sense of taste and smell. I remember a particularly bad one when I was a kid where everything I ate tasted burnt. Pointing that out to my Mum earned me a clip around the ear!

380239 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #482 of 2208 🔗

I once lost my sense if taste and smell for six weeks after a cold, and also lost my voice, and could only rasp hoarsely.
How come that didn’t bring civilisation and human rights to a audden end?

379592 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 43, #483 of 2208 🔗

Mark Rutte, the Dutch Prime Minister said “It is the virus that is depriving us of our freedom.”
That one sentence lays bare all our problems.
Either he genuinely believes that in which case he has no rational thought and is unfit for office or he’s lying and unfit.

379606 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #484 of 2208 🔗

I think he’s in denial.

If he doesn’t wake up, he could end up like those civil servants during the 1848 Revolution.

379613 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #485 of 2208 🔗

Then he should resign, does he not know any 20th century history? Imposing a curfew was never going to go down well, he might as well go on TV dressed in a nazi uniform.

379636 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #486 of 2208 🔗

Exactly. The Dutch had to put up with 5 years of brutal German occupation, this was never going to go down well.

379917 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #487 of 2208 🔗

I think he’s been in power for far too long. The situation in the Netherlands is likely to get far worse and I would hate to see the army called out. What a way for Rutte to go down in history. I wonder if he has really thought about the consequences? The Netherlands has a more liberal, less authoritarian culture than many other continental European countries, so I can see why so many Dutch people have had enough of this.

I’ve interviewed a lot of politicians over the years and must say that most are of poor character and are actually weak – genuinely unable to deal with serious problems (as well as people who don’t agree with them). I think we will see things really deteriorate across the Western world in the near future. It won’t be pretty.

380344 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #488 of 2208 🔗

I agree. I suspect as well that a lot of this also has to do with tensions that have been building up over the years especially with the people’s voices having been ignored time and again.

The lockdowns have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. I can imagine that the Dutch have the same problems as we do – soaring unemployment, bankruptcies, untreated illnesses, mental health issues, domestic violence and substance abuse.

And well said about politicians, many of them I noticed don’t have any real life and work experience – they’ve lived in bubbles all their lives and are even more remote from the people they govern than the aristocracy of old.

As I’ve said before, the barbarians have breached the gates and the civil disobedience and rioting that we’re witnessing are people basically fighting back and saying “we don’t want these barbarians here.”

379609 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 12, #489 of 2208 🔗

The Dutch obviously recognise him as unfit, as he lost the last election, but the political elite decided to maintain him in power.

379645 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 14, #490 of 2208 🔗

THe virus does not seem to have deprived the people of Belarus of their freedom to live social lives.

379599 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 10, #491 of 2208 🔗

Anyone noticing the trend of how leftists used the pandemic to get into office and all of a sudden it isn’t as bad and thus we can open up. Only after they micro manage everything and put in place further restrictive laws to keep you down.

These lockdowns are experimental; tout comes are to see what they can and cannot get away with as they are going nowhere

379610 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBigman, -4, #492 of 2208 🔗

Mickey Mouse posting again in order to help out 77th Brigade!

379601 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #493 of 2208 🔗

This morning on Good Morning Britain Piers Morgan was attacking the government for not closing down international travel at the outset, apparently forgetting his own jetting around the world for holidays, even though his last one was only a few weeks ago.

Morgan isn’t a hypocrite – hypocrites know they are violating their own values. Morgan is worse. He has no values. He only cares about what he perceives to be his interests.

379605 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #494 of 2208 🔗

Hopefully he will die in prison

379627 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #495 of 2208 🔗

Such a hateful, pathetic human being. Has no interests in anyone’s suffering from this bar his own. Using his newfound love for the NHS as a platform to grow his Twitter following which is the only thing that matters in his life.

379662 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #496 of 2208 🔗

Don’t look at the Daily Star front page today, unless you have a strong constitution. It is dedicated to promoting Morgan as the next PM! I have no words.

379705 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #497 of 2208 🔗

Which party is he a member of? When is he going to stand as a parliamentary candidate? When would he stand for election as leader of that party? The road to the office of prime minister is not as simple as putting a poll on a Twitter account, as Good Morning Britain seem to believe. https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1353945415536803840

379758 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Hayes, #498 of 2208 🔗

I imagine that the Star didn’t go as deep in their “analysis” as you did with your points, and were more concerned about getting his ugly mug splattered on the front page to sell to a few extra zombies. I would check it out, but it is the Daily Star and I have no desire to subject my head to a virtual labotomy today.

379784 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #499 of 2208 🔗

Switch off. NOW. Only ignoring his vile crap will put a dent in his popularity.

379802 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Pebbles, #500 of 2208 🔗

I like to know what the lockdownistas are saying. Sun Tzu recommended it. He also recommended knowing oneself. He claimed that if one knows both, one need not fear even a hundred battles. I fear not.

379831 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #501 of 2208 🔗

Piers Morgan is a…………

379957 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to stefarm, #502 of 2208 🔗

Would you like to borrow my copy of Roget’s Thesaurus?

380365 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steve Hayes, #503 of 2208 🔗

Roger Mellie?

380004 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to stefarm, 2, #504 of 2208 🔗

Think I might watch Blazing Saddles this afternoon….

380005 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #505 of 2208 🔗

Top film: Surprised that they still dare to show it.

380010 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stefarm, #506 of 2208 🔗

That’s one phrase that will never appear on Blankety Blank….. The BBC would be in the dock at Ofcom within minutes for the replies.

379604 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #507 of 2208 🔗

BBC refuse to release figures of how many complaints they have recieved about Haggy Hour.

“BBC refuse to release number of complaints received about Nicola Sturgeon’s daily briefing
The BBC has refused to release the number of complaints it has received in relation to the Scottish Government’s daily coronavirus briefings, it can be revealed.”

379741 ▶▶ iane, replying to Basics, 1, #508 of 2208 🔗

They probably can’t count that high!

379628 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #509 of 2208 🔗

The comments in the Mail largely support the ‘rioters’ in the Netherlands

Does a worm turning emit a noise?

No me neither, but I’m definatly hearing something

379660 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cecil B, 3, #510 of 2208 🔗

You never know which way the comments on the Mail will jump.

379663 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #511 of 2208 🔗

BTL on the DM is being heavily-infiltrated by the boogie-woogie soldier-boys from Denison Barracks at the moment.

379711 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #512 of 2208 🔗

Depends on whether they’re voluntary comments from normal people, or paid comments from 77th.

380209 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #513 of 2208 🔗

Most of the comments miss the point. They are either a. Good job we’ve left the EU if that’s what it’s like, b. It’s all Muslims rioting and c. They have a point but why smash up small businesses etc or d. idiots don’t they realise there’s a pandemic on.

Very few on there pointing out that this could be the inevitable result of locking down people for months on end with no hope in sight.

380171 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #514 of 2208 🔗

At the moment the DM online’s copy seems to be evenly balanced between Covid fear porn and anti-lockdown anger clickbait. At present the latter seem to be given more prominence than the former.

They also have a ‘number of days in lockdown’ counter at the top of the page which is interesting – one would expect it to be a ‘number of days of the brave battle against Covid’ or some such.

I suspect the DM is weighing up which types of story get the most readership and if lockdown scepticism increases in popularity, that might become the favoured angle of the paper.

379803 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, #515 of 2208 🔗

Pretty unusual if so, I’d say – the DM has always been home to a concentration of the authoritarian tendency on the political right. Generally approving of police thuggery on principle, if that’s the right term.

379629 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #516 of 2208 🔗

The notional deaths (‘notional’ because there is no way of knowing the role of the virus) from Covid by occupation are interesting, but once again without the context of general mortality.

Can any allegedly important disease ever have been treated with such statistical gay abandon?

379637 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #517 of 2208 🔗

I was perplexed by that graph – unless I am missing something it was meaningless

379666 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #518 of 2208 🔗

Yes – Even basic comparative data is missing about the average mortality over 12 months for individuals between 20 and 64.

There is absolutely no information except internal relativities.

More Scary Fairy stuff. I deduce that even in the highest categories, death rates are quite low.

379683 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 2, #519 of 2208 🔗

8 out of 10 cat owners say their cats prefer it?

379630 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #520 of 2208 🔗

A schoolgirl in Keswick, Cumbria has been spotted in the town square staging a protest:

I Want To Go To School

Bravo – what an inspirational youngster

Hopefully many others will follow her example

379681 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Victoria, 7, #521 of 2208 🔗

Yes, far better and more educated than the thick St Greta!

379632 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #522 of 2208 🔗

Is the goal no school foir the masses? Because there will be no jobs?

379638 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to chaos, 6, #523 of 2208 🔗

It’ll help in the culling of 6 Billion people especially if you have uneducated people.

379768 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andrew K, 2, #524 of 2208 🔗

I am puzzled. Why do you think that people who have not attended school would be easy to cull than people who had been subjected to years of schooling?

379796 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Hayes, #525 of 2208 🔗

The culling will be performed by these very children ala the killing fields in Cambodia.

379675 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to chaos, 3, #526 of 2208 🔗

Tony Blair started this 20 years ago…remote learning…he had education experts pushing it as a way forward.Children learning on computers at home……this is all planned…….

379676 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to chaos, 3, #527 of 2208 🔗

Yes, that’s exactly the goal. Look up Agenda 21 and the Richard Day lecture in 1969 at Google or https://henrithibodeau.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/back-in-1969-dr-richard-day-made-some-astonishing-predictions-about-where-the-world-would-be-today/
and you will see that the children of the (few) elites will be educated properly but the rest will, if they are lucky, be educated to the level where they can just about read and write.

If you want to see how incredibly successful they have been, go onto the idiot-box or YouTube and look at quiz shows from the 70’s and compare the questions with the quiz shows on “Tipping Point” now. Some of my older acquaintances literally didn’t believe me when I gave some examples of “Tipping Point” questions from recent episodes.

379750 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to RichardJames, 2, #528 of 2208 🔗

tipping point isnt a quiz.. it is a game show with questions and should be compared to the likes of Strike it Lucky . There were plenty of “quizzes” in the 70s with easy questions
however watching mastermind last night I cannot deny that the GK question have really been dumbed down over the years and it is the level of general knowledge that has disappeared since schools were forced to stick to a limited curriculum and they stopped learning things by rote .

379883 ▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to mj, 2, #529 of 2208 🔗

Years ago, while in an hotel room, we were watching the TV, we do not have a TV at home, so this was a sort of novelty.
A programme came on called ‘Codex’, broadcast from the British Museum. It was a quiz and at least one of the participants was a theologian, or at least, studying Theology somewhere or other.
I thought the questions would be really hard and searching; was I wrong! They were multiple choice answers and one of them concerned a river near Cairo (or something like that, it was a few years ago) and the answers were, Nile, Euphrates and Tigris (I think). Dumbed down doesn’t begin to describe it.
Whenever we see the TV in an hotel, we know why we do not have one.

379996 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to RichardJames, 1, #530 of 2208 🔗

The most hilarious questions are now on University Challenge. They’ve moved away from classical education and now ask “woke” questions, such as a round on female sculptors of Dubai. Of course no one can answer them, even the Oxbridge Wokelings.

379648 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 28, #531 of 2208 🔗

Police have warned that the Netherlands could face weeks of rioting after a coronavirus curfew ended in the worst riots for 40 years as delays to vaccinations raised tensions across Europe.

What an absolutely disgusting piece of journalism. The fact that the UK is “ahead” of other European countries in rolling out the vaccine is a national disgrace. If we continue on this trajectory, the UK will be one of the worst places in the world to live for generations to come. A technocratic slave state on a par with the very bleakest science fiction nightmares (THX 1138, Equilibrium etc.).

379654 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, 8, #532 of 2208 🔗

That’s some amazing spin isn’t it? Like people would be rioting because of a delay in jabbing them!

380133 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 1, #533 of 2208 🔗

The MSM now seems to be taking the angle that the Dutch riots are because of certain demographic groups (un-named, but no prizes for guessing which) taking advantage of the pandemic to indulge in criminal activity. This deftly removes the need to mention any legitimate protests.

380493 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to leggy, 1, #534 of 2208 🔗

The Dutch guy who runs a coffee shop near me just confirmed it’s the curfew that’s kicked it off. Seems a fair few Dutch peeps like to meet up in the evenings and chat over a spiff or two on street corners and other public places, generally being sociable and minding their own business.

380544 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jez Hewitt, #535 of 2208 🔗

How dare they!

379704 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 7, #536 of 2208 🔗

I think it’s an absolute gift of an article. Such a steaming glob of horseshit that even Daily Mail readers were able to see straight through it. And it pissed them off to be so blatently lied to. The comments were fantastic. I was extremely grateful for the free recruitment drive.

Even more hilariously, it sounds like the masturbatory fantasy of a Pfizer exec or Health Minister – “they want the vaccines sooooo badly they are starting riots”. I sincerely hope they are actually thinking this, I really do, because they will be caught so off guard by the backlash that they might not even have time to react. Or escape…

379779 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Richard O, 1, #537 of 2208 🔗

Thanks for calling it out for what it is…

379792 ▶▶ Will, replying to Richard O, 1, #538 of 2208 🔗

Normally things kick off in the heat of summer. Holland gets fecking cold at this time of year!!!

379653 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 22, #539 of 2208 🔗

“Mark Harper, head of the Covid Recovery Group of Tory MPs, said: “As the PM himself said last August, ‘Keeping our schools closed a moment longer than absolutely necessary is socially intolerable, ­economically unsustainable and morally indefensible.’””

But he still went and did it, didn’t he? As always, watch what they do, not what they say. After the Christmas pack of lies about “5 days together” being destroyed at a moment’s notice, deliberately , just after the hospitality industry bought in their stocks of food; NOTHING that lying, duplicious bunch of bastards says can be taken to be truthful.

We will remember, and we will judge you as blocks, not as individuals, the same way you are doing to us. If I ever see a police officer or politician sitting in a pub or restaurant, I shall remind the management of what they did, and demand to know why they have been allowed into those establishments.

379657 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RichardJames, 7, #540 of 2208 🔗

Best place to spot cops would be Burger King or Macdonald’s, Richard.

379670 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 6, #541 of 2208 🔗

Sitting close together without masks, of course.

379702 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #542 of 2208 🔗

Greasy spoons. Double everything with ketchup.

379706 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #543 of 2208 🔗

Of course! How could I have forgotten this. I thank you for your comment. I suspect that this will be the only place they will be able to frequent in the near future. At least it will help to give them the immune system that they deserve.

If any police officers are reading this, you had better start getting some identifying mark like the Mid-Western cops in the USA have (Oathkeepers badges). Dump those “Rainbow NHS badges” and “Thin Blue Line” flags. You will soon need to pick a side; for we are many, and ye are few.


379772 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RichardJames, 2, #544 of 2208 🔗

The Masque of Anarchy is something of a source of comfort to me as well these days, Richard.

379668 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RichardJames, 6, #545 of 2208 🔗

Keeping any of the restrictions in place is “ socially intolerable, economically unsustainable and morally indefensible “.

Which is why they were imposed in the first place, and they know it.

379656 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #546 of 2208 🔗

Final ONS data on deaths by month for 2020 is out (England and Wales). 56,000 deaths in December 2020 as opposed to 47,000 in 2019.

The Black Death it ain’t.

379665 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #547 of 2208 🔗

I wonder if we’ll ever learn how many of those were caused by lockdowns?

379672 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leggy, 4, #548 of 2208 🔗

Nobody dies of lockdowns comrade. Rid yourself of these thoughts and worship the Rona.

Here’s the link BTW.


379698 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #549 of 2208 🔗

Dear Uncle Jo,

I’d be much obliged if you could tell me:-

What are the mortality total for all causes for 2020?

– how does that compare with 2008?

Can comparison figures be given rate per million?

Your comradely pal,


379732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #550 of 2208 🔗

Greetings Tovarich.

Looking at the figures on that link I make total all cause mortality in England and Wales last year 608,016. For 2019 it was 530,841 (at least 50,000 of these extra deaths seem to have taken place in April and May 2020).

Figure for 2008 going from the same source, I make 509,090. Sorry I don’t know how that compares for population adjustment etc right now.

379778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #551 of 2208 🔗

Much thanks for replying so quickly!

I would have thought the the 2008 would have been much higher.

At the risk of being sent off to the gulag might I aver you’ve transposed some digits?


379805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ned of the Hills, #552 of 2208 🔗

For some reason there’s no total for the year on the excel charts so I totalled up the monthly figures, it’s possible I might have made an error what with the dog barking and youngest daughter complaining that we’re out of bread 🙂

Here’s the link again if you want to take a look in your own time.


379881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #553 of 2208 🔗

Much thanks for that. I’ll get down once I get back from my plod. You enjoy your dacha!


380303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jo Starlin, #554 of 2208 🔗

Sorry for doubting you. I did a rough count for and got 509,000.

I was sure though I had seen something showing mortalities were higher pro rata in 2008 than 2020.

It could have been Fig. 6 on this ONS link:-


The 2020 figure used was provisional – but was only slightly under the one you’ve given.

Has the population increased by 20% in 12 years? – surely not? but it is the only way I can make sense of 2008 having a higher mortality figure per capita than 2020.

380124 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to leggy, 2, #555 of 2208 🔗

We’re in an enclosed system feedback loop now – hospital care is on a covid emergency footing, so non-covid cases get ignored and end up as emergency hospitalisations; since everyone who goes into hospitaal gets tested for Covid until they get a positive test result, that means the number of case and ‘deaths with Covid’ goes up which means the hospital goes deeper into covid emergency footings. And so on.

379684 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #556 of 2208 🔗

The figures have been available for a while.

2019 was a year of exceptionally low mortality – the ‘dry tinder year’. 2020 was simply a year of above average – but not ‘exceptional’ or ‘unprecedented’ mortality.

379729 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 1, #557 of 2208 🔗

Haven’t got the numbers in front of me, Rick, but if we averaged those two years, and compared with preceeding years, I bet we know what we’d see, don’t we?

379737 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 1, #558 of 2208 🔗

If (and I appreciate it’s a mighty if), you take April 2020 out of the equation, there’s not much to see.

379843 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #559 of 2208 🔗

Yes we have to be careful about what we include and exclude to avoid massaging the data like the other side constantly do. There is an exceptional peak in April suggestive of a new virus “ripping through” the dry tinder. Of course what we don’t know is how much of that peak was also due to the care home debacle and the removal of NHS services. What is clear is that there is nothing exceptional about this winter meaning the virus has already lost it’s potency above anything else we would see at this time of year.

379855 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Achilles, 1, #560 of 2208 🔗

Indeed, there’s no avoiding that April had horrendous numbers of deaths, though I’m inclined to agree this was as much down to the NHS and care home response as the direct effects of the virus.

379679 Hattie, 5, #561 of 2208 🔗

Highly recommend the 25th Jan UK Column – plenty of interesting stuff whether Davos or Covid/ vaccinations. Grampian NHS that serves 500,000 people have revealed that from Feb to Nov 2020 just 15 people confirmed as having died of covid.

379685 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #562 of 2208 🔗

Right, so things are getting weird here:

Yesterday, a chap came into the shop and ordered a drink and paid. Ten minutes later he had left, the drink remained untouched with what looked like £20 under the cup. Turns out there was £30. The man reappared this morning. His mask had blood on the outside with what looked like blood on the inside, he did not look well. This time he asked for tea which he paid for. I mentioned that he had left £30 yesterday – he denied all knowledge of this, but it was definitely him. Same thing as yesterday – he left the drink and what looked like another £20. This time he also left a copy of The Sun , a business card from a local junk shop, two cigarettes on the side of the cup and a full packet of fags and a lighter. We decided to leave all this in-situ in case he had just gone to the public toilets but 20 minutes later it was still there. Turns out the £20 was actually £180.

While this was happening, I noticed a man stood on the top level of the Waitrose car park that overlooks our business – it looked like he was filming/photographing us. Same thing had happened on Friday after the visit from the EHO. I am pretty sure it was the same man.

This is all very odd. Are these two incidents connected, I wonder. I have it from the horse’s mouth (the EHO) that we are being spied on. Is this some form of entrapment – even though I attempted to give the man the money back from yesterday. The man filming us came over to look at the items the other man had left. I just don’t know what to think and I am slightly unnerved by what is now happening. I haven’t made any of this up for effect … Any thoughts …

379687 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 11, #563 of 2208 🔗

You might want to install some cameras

379693 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, 5, #564 of 2208 🔗

That too.

379789 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Victoria, 2, #565 of 2208 🔗

Yes, cameras and a witness. Get the cameras in today.

379690 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 5, #566 of 2208 🔗

Well weird. Especially the cash. Why are they watching you kh?

379694 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 8, #567 of 2208 🔗

The man reappared this morning. His mask had blood on the outside with what looked like blood on the inside, he did not look well.

This is the weirdest and most unsettling part. There are some very dark forces at work here.

379715 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 9, #568 of 2208 🔗

I know, he really did not look well and when I said about the money yesterday he just said it wasn’t him, there wasn’t a flicker of anything but it was definitely the same man.

380737 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to kh1485, #569 of 2208 🔗

Have you read his newspaper? Perhaps he left a message encircled in red pen

380821 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, #570 of 2208 🔗

I wasn’t trying to be funny with my above comment. Just was thinking that maybe he was the one being filmed. Blood on mask very sinister.

379708 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 3, #571 of 2208 🔗

Have you contacted the police?

379709 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 24, #572 of 2208 🔗

sounds like an attempt at entrapment. email the police saying you have kept his money safe until either he comes back or you hand it in. also that you are worried about him because of the blood

379747 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 9, #573 of 2208 🔗

Agree, this is the best course of action. It would ruin any attempt at entrapment, which is what this sounds like. And yes, get cameras. and secure witnesses if possible.

Either that or it’s the start of the zombie apocalypse.

379840 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #574 of 2208 🔗

Take pictures of everything you notice as well.

379710 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to kh1485, 16, #575 of 2208 🔗

I would probably be reporting this to the police I don’t think they will do anything but it might help your case if something does happen.

379722 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to pvenkman, 8, #576 of 2208 🔗

yes, get it on record

379755 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to steve_w, 6, #577 of 2208 🔗

It is on record- sort of . It is reported here, and hundreds if not thousands have seen what is effectively a public statement.

379864 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mikewaite, 1, #578 of 2208 🔗

anonymous though. I would still email the police – they only need to skim read it and be in your sent folder

379716 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #579 of 2208 🔗

Definitely record/document everything. Maybe involve the police, i.e. this man seems mentally unwell? That way, you are covering everything – his wellbeing, you aren’t pocketing the money etc.

379723 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #580 of 2208 🔗

I am concernced about going to the police as they have it in for me anyway.

379760 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to kh1485, 12, #581 of 2208 🔗

Given the state of the man that you describe, you could get in touch with Social Services or the Salvation Army or similar charities on the grounds that this person looks vulnerable and needs help.

379735 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 11, #582 of 2208 🔗

How very strange. Regardless of your well founded suspicions of the police, I’d take all of his left behind belongings and cash to them and would make sure I got a receipt, especially stating the exact sum of money handed in. The camera suggestion is a good one too.

379756 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to leggy, 8, #583 of 2208 🔗

Agree with leggy. Better not to find yourself on the back foot if something nefarious is going on.

379773 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 8, #584 of 2208 🔗

Police setting you up

379776 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 9, #585 of 2208 🔗

in view of your reasonable suspicion of the police , is it possible to involve someone like a tame solicitor to whom you could pass on the details and also lodge the money etc so the whole think is documented . also it might be worth calling CAB – again it is another record and they may also suggest action to take

ps also keep the cup he used safe and bagged up as his fingerprints will be on it … just in case they are ever needed

379821 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 5, #586 of 2208 🔗

If there’s a connection between the two (the filming and the man leaving money) then that is sinister. The man leaving the money gives me a bad feeling. Have you p*ssed off the masons? It just all seems so weird.

I agree with others – document everything, and get witnesses if you can. Put his things and the money to one side. If you don’t want to contact the cops, that’s fine, but just make sure you keep a record of what has happened.

I don’t see what they can entrap you with on the basis of the man leaving money, but the whole thing seems very odd, and I can understand your concern.

379844 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to kh1485, 10, #587 of 2208 🔗

All the abandoned property bagged up and handed in to the police. Agree about installing cameras.

379884 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 13, #588 of 2208 🔗

If you are sure you can recognise the man, then how about a blackboard message along the lines of “would the gentleman who accidentally left some money on the table yesterday please come in to collect it”.

This would have 2 positive effects. Firstly, your spies will no doubt photograph this, and it proves you are an upstanding, morally correct citizen (although I would photograph it yourself as well in case their photos become ‘disappeared’). Secondly it would almost certainly increase the footfall into your cafe. Even if they are all chancers, they might buy a cup of tea.

The most iniquitous thing about all this is that as a local tax payer you are effectively bankrolling your own surveillance.

379973 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Old Bill, 2, #589 of 2208 🔗

Good points, blackboard sounds good plan. Definitely a ‘Curious Incident’. Perhaps they are not related. Car park stalker probably related to EHO spying, waving to the camera regularly might help. Reporting the harassment to police might help despite KH’s reported ‘issues’ with them. At least it’s recorded. Chap with bloody mask might be dementia sufferer who has wandered off and taken a tumble so reporting it to social services of some sort definitely a good plan. Bodies get pulled out of Faversham Creek from time to time. Wandering off is sometimes the cause, when it’s not drink.

380114 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Old Bill, 2, #590 of 2208 🔗

Reminds me of a Dave Allen sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA-iF45pOlI

380263 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cranmer, 1, #591 of 2208 🔗

Thanks, needed the laugh. Love Dave Allen.

379979 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 1, #592 of 2208 🔗

My first thought was that this chap was doing what I have been doing with my favourite little cafe; I paid for a £5 bill with £40 and told them it was a christmas present (actually my way of subsidising them a tiny bit through the lockdown that occurred either side of my visit) but I did make a point of telling them that the money was theirs.

If he is trying to give you the money, it’s nice, but misguided. There’s no proof that he’s giving it to you, so you need to do what the other contributors are saying otherwise I agree that you could be walking into their trap.

380066 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, #593 of 2208 🔗

It sound a bit like drug stuff. Perhaps he was trying to leave cash for *somebody* to pick up and the people filming are cops trying to film the pickup/drop. Don’t forget that doing this kind of thing might be tricky if people live in places where they would get reported for having visitors or that visitors are banned. So these exchanged often need to happen out of doors and basically handing over cash and swapping little bags of drugs is a very difficult thing to do without looking suspicious. All it takes is one person to see the exchange and call the cops and…bing….busted.
Stuff like this used to happen in McDonalds up and down the land, not these days.

If you ever notice the police doing covert survielance you know what it is straight away, nothing else looks like it. They do it a lot.

If it isn’t something like this, perhaps the guy is a bit mental, perhaps he feels sorry for you, either way up keep the cash in a bag and all his stuff, try to document as much of it as you can and talk to the cops soon once you have a chance to have a proper think about it and if it keeps happening. I would hand in the cash anyway and perhaps make no more of a deal about it, just some guy left this, cheers…

380356 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #594 of 2208 🔗

What steve_w said plus install CCTV in your cafe.

And don’t forget to keep a log.

379686 Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #595 of 2208 🔗

Democracy Dies In Fake News

Tony Heller

Documenting yet another year of fake news and Doublespeak from the Washington Post


379689 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #596 of 2208 🔗

Murder Rates SURGE Across the Nation as Democrat Controlled Cities IMPLODE!!!

Dr. Steve Turley


379703 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #597 of 2208 🔗

City journal has been calmly logging the figures for many months.

379838 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #598 of 2208 🔗

Send Lisa Nandy at once!

379842 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #599 of 2208 🔗

the homicide vs COVID deaths is an interesting question. Whose lives matter most? I looked at the cities in the US with the biggest % homicide increases in 2020, all coming after George Floyd died in police custody end May; ie after which black ‘communities’ were encouraged to be angry and the police pressured to be invisible. Adjusting to ‘quality adjusted years’ removed – average homicide victim say 25, average COVID 75+, so 10 times more years lost in a homicide – I calculated BLM-inspired homicides were at least twice as deadly as COVID in those cities/areas (I had to use state data for COVID ‘deaths’; and I generously assumed all COVID deaths were ‘OF’.) Vaccine that.

379691 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 10, #600 of 2208 🔗

An additional point on UK column, they received an email from someone whose relative is a public sector worker who was requested to submit car registration details in the context of purchasing fuel. Does this suggest a proposed fuel restriction, possibly to stop us moving around except for key workers. I know someone mentioned fuel price hikes, or maybe a bit tin foil hat … though I wouldn’t put anything past them.

380026 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hattie, 2, #601 of 2208 🔗

Restrictions aside. Who know WHAT they are going to do, the crazy bastards, but I think the general plan is to make driving a car just so ridiclously expensive and such a monumental pain in the bum that people will not bother trying to do it anymore. They won’t travel. They won’t buy cars and they won’t learn to drive, which is already a monumental pain in the bum to try to do.

380087 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hattie, #602 of 2208 🔗

At present it’s only one anecdotal case. Could just be a public-sector jobsworth going above his remit and ‘interpreting’ things. (Eg, when I worked on an academic journal I once had a colleague who believed – genuinely – that it was ‘the law’ that any stock image of people we published had to include non-white people, and another colleague who believed the term ‘brainstorm’ was banned because it was offensive to epileptics).

Still we need to watch this though, as I’m amazed they have not brought in more strict measures on movement control yet.

380473 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cranmer, #603 of 2208 🔗

“and another colleague who believed the term ‘brainstorm’ was banned because it was offensive to epileptics).”

As a person with epilepsy (to use the PC term), I’ve never heard that one!

380909 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #604 of 2208 🔗

A few years ago it was the fashion to claim the term ‘brainstorming’ was offensive to epileptics – so much so that the Epilepsy Society (or whatever it’s called) issued a statement rebutting it.

The colleague who told me about it worked for the NHS and was told to go through various official documents and to strike the word from them.

379695 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #605 of 2208 🔗

Global leaders have sent enough hints that they don’t trust Joe Biden


Joe Biden, within a week of assuming the White House, has angered every single US ally. Watch how.

379699 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 7, #606 of 2208 🔗

I’ve been a huge loggerheads as to the motive of the global drive for this experimental vaccine, coming up with all sort of reasons in my mind.

  • Money, probably but not the overriding reason.
  • nano chip tech, to control us in the future, possible but unlikely
  • Generate a vaccine passport for control (Very likely)

Now this has just occurred to me.

We know the virus is endemic, so the only way they can continue this fraud to usher in the grat reset is to keep this going. Deaths are increasing again. More lockdown blah blah blah… So the big drive for the experimental vaccine is to keep this going, as they know the more who have the experimental vaccine the more deaths will occur, all blamed on Covid of course.

379717 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrew K, 8, #607 of 2208 🔗

Well all the other interventions (lockdowns, distancing, masks, sanitising) have served to weaken our immune systems in order to prolong and increase illness, so it stands to reason that one of the purposes of the vaccine will be to contribute further to this.

379719 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 5, #608 of 2208 🔗

Yep – I think it was Neil Oliver who put it something like “this is just season 1, episode 1 of the pandemic box set”. Anyone who thinks that once this current jabathon is finished, that’ll be the end of it, is massively deluded.

379738 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 1, #609 of 2208 🔗

Yes, bottom line Sustainable Planet, always

379759 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 3, #610 of 2208 🔗

Knut Wittkowski makes that point that insofar as lockdowns work at slowing viral spread, they also increase the chances of more mutations occurring.

379774 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to rockoman, 3, #611 of 2208 🔗

That is the story we need to be pushing. Viruses nearly always mutate, under normal conditions, to become more benign and less infectious, if the opposite is now happening the change is because of lockdown.

379700 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #612 of 2208 🔗

As of today 6.22m people in the UK are effectively out of work. That is out of 17.5m people who are ‘economically active’.

In other words, the UK unemployment rate stands at 32%.

Unemployment stats today show another rise in UK unemployment. 1.72m people now out of work. This official figure though doesn’t include the 4.5m on furlough


379728 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 1, #613 of 2208 🔗

You appear to have under-estimated the number of economically active.It is over thirty-four million.

379781 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #614 of 2208 🔗

Private sector is only 24 mn so the #s are slightly off 6 mn/24 mn or about 25%. Gov’t is 10 mn, total workforce of 34 mn.

Gov’t is hiring as you wld expect and those blood suckers account for about 10 mn ‘workers’ ie welfare recipients including the useless NHS.

379785 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #615 of 2208 🔗

In fairness, the number came from Simon Dolan, not Victoria. Be interesting to hear his explanation for it.

379945 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #616 of 2208 🔗

Victoria wrote it.

379718 JASA, replying to JASA, 50, #617 of 2208 🔗

How can the Dutch Prime Minister or anyone claim, “ It is the virus that is depriving us of our freedom” ?

The virus hasn’t imposed the restrictions. Governments have. Full stop!

379801 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JASA, 8, #618 of 2208 🔗

Yeah, he’s yet another lying sack of shit.

379828 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to JASA, 3, #619 of 2208 🔗

double Dutch. No courage.

379832 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to JASA, 3, #620 of 2208 🔗

Passing the buck. The poor virus can’t answer back.

379720 Victoria, 8, #621 of 2208 🔗

Side Effects and Data Gaps Raise Questions on COVID Vaccine

  • Reports of serious side effects to the COVID-19 vaccines have started emerging. Examples include persistent malaise and extreme exhaustion, anaphylactic reactions, multisystem inflammatory syndrome, chronic seizures and convulsions, paralysis and sudden death within hours or days
  • By December 18, 2020, 112,807 Americans had received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine. Of those, 3,150 suffered one or more “health impact events.” That’s a side effect rate of 2.79%
  • While Pfizer claims its vaccine is 95% effective, this is the relative risk reduction. The absolute risk reduction is actually less than 1%
  • Analysis of recently released data suggests the relative risk reduction for Pfizer’s vaccine may actually be between 19% and 29% — far lower than the required licensing threshold of 50%
  • Studies have warned COVID-19 vaccines may result in more serious disease when exposed to the virus, either through antibody-dependent immune enhancement or pathogen priming that triggers an autoimmune response


379726 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #622 of 2208 🔗

The most interesting/significant item today is the update on Sweden, even though it doesn’t touch wider issues of immunity.

Apart from supporting the wisdom of the relatively ‘normal’ approach adopted in Sweden, it does raise the fundamental question of whether damage is done to population immunity by lockdowns. Given that historical mortality in Sweden follows a very similar curve to that of the UK – the current departure from that similarity doesn’t boast any efficacy for the UK’s approach.

… which, of course, is what you won’t hear.

379746 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 2, #623 of 2208 🔗

Is Sweden vaccine crazy as in the UK? Given they’ve achieved immunity without it largely

379769 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #624 of 2208 🔗

Calling Carrie!!!

380024 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Will, #625 of 2208 🔗

Has she been around recently?

379742 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to isobar, 7, #627 of 2208 🔗

Now that Biden is pretender democratic America has now decided enough is enough and life must go on I think this is the best hope for us, no doubt the us will quietly reduce cycle counts and away it goes and there you go Biden has fixed it and saved millions.

379993 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to pvenkman, 2, #628 of 2208 🔗

It was clear something was up when Bozo and some of his mates made obviously anti-Trump tweets during the election fraud investigations. Biden is their man and so now they will be watching to see what he does. It will be hard to maintain permanent lockdowns in the UK if this is not happening in the USA also.

379743 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to isobar, 2, #629 of 2208 🔗

God bless Biden.

379822 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to isobar, 9, #630 of 2208 🔗

They’ve just been Biden their time.

379731 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #631 of 2208 🔗

Each of the four scary ‘winter scenarios’ for Covid deaths presented at 31st Oct. press conference predicted a peak in December – ranging twixt the 4th and the 31st.
This was something else that hasn’t happened – which in this case is to be regretted.

The peak has probably been passed, hopefully, in the last few days – a week or so perhaps after the normal peak for winter deaths from all causes.

It is puzzling to me that one of four models came up with a peak in January. Is this due to the new variant?

379734 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #632 of 2208 🔗

or more lies

379748 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #633 of 2208 🔗

Sorry for “one” read “none”. Here’s the correct version.

Each of the four scary ‘winter scenarios’ for Covid deaths presented at the 31st Oct. press conference predicted a peak in December – ranging twixt the 4th and the 31st.
This was something else that didn’t happened – which in this instance is to be regretted.

The peak was probably passed, hopefully, in the last few days – a week or so, perhaps, after the normal peak for winter deaths from all causes.

It is puzzling to me that none of four models came up with a peak ocurring in January. Is this due to the new variant?

379780 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #634 of 2208 🔗

They will say that any success is all due to us locking down however much they have to twist the numbers.

379848 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Ned of the Hills, #635 of 2208 🔗

Ned – All the models peaked in Early – Mid December and have all vastly over estimated the total number of deaths

The data is available at the Spectator data site – https://data.spectator.co.uk/

The chart shows the total number of deaths attributed to Covid – October to January – models vs actual – usual caveats apply

379871 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Aslangeo, #636 of 2208 🔗

Much thanks

379762 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #637 of 2208 🔗

Is the peak for deaths in UK from seasonal flu usually in January?

379767 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Old Trout, 4, #638 of 2208 🔗

Peak for any kind of deaths in UK is January.

379820 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Old Trout, 2, #639 of 2208 🔗

Peak all cause Winter death month is usually January. Occasionally it is February not January.

In 2020 it was April.

You have to go back to 2003/2004 winter to find a winter with peak deaths in December

(Based on English all cause age standardised mortality)

379749 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #640 of 2208 🔗

It takes time for the truth to drip down to MSM and even Fox news. This site already in April May had information about Fauci’s dubious connection and support of dangerous lab work in Wuhan, even circumventing a ban from Obama. This was called conspiracy,

This was video in MSM/Fox news yesterday about Fauci’s role.


379786 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #641 of 2208 🔗

The longer 15 min video incl part 1 as prt 2 above


380056 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #642 of 2208 🔗

But who will make these people accountable?

380205 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, #643 of 2208 🔗

Early retirement?

 Perhaps going into the speculative.

Why the sudden switch against all pandemic guidelines (as recent 2019) for a lock down approach/super response? Had the powers security agencies not yet decided whether it was a bioterror attack or a laboratory mishap, and therefore went for “over” response?

Why did the UK government go for lockdown as it was not recommended by the SAGE group, Fergusson seems almost surprised in the recent interview that this could be done? Had the UK gov instead been briefed by the CIA about the possible origin of the pandemic?

379752 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #644 of 2208 🔗

Imagine the response in our propagandist media if the clip of Dutch police remonstrating with a protester with a water cannon had been filmed in Russia or China or some other designated enemy state. Welcome to the world of the lockdown enforcers. .

That’s what happens when you spread fear, impose authoritarian rules, and demonise dissenters.

379793 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Mark, 5, #645 of 2208 🔗

Wokeism is a huge factor behind this, the party line that other people should be more important to you than yourself has crept in so much I don’t think we’ll ever recover from it.

379938 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 2, #646 of 2208 🔗

Lisa Nandy on protests in Russia: https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1353091151096635392?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Lisa Nandy on protests in the Netherlands: silence.

380153 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #647 of 2208 🔗

“Look over there, in the distance. Somebody’s being oppressed! Something must be done!”

379753 Jez Hewitt, 7, #648 of 2208 🔗

Toby et al,

I see there’s no Wokey Bollocky section today. Please tell me this is due to deadlines or someone pulling a sickie.

Whilst there may be bigger fish to fry, the creeping cancer that is woke is a major contributing factor as to why we’re in this show that is shit.

Anyhows, peace, love and thanks as always.

379754 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 53, #649 of 2208 🔗

Just had my bonnet cut by my mobile hair dresser, she’s doing great trade could not give a fuck about guidance, refuses to wear a muzzle.round my area I’m pleased to say our hair is immaculate..

379978 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #650 of 2208 🔗

Wish I could find one. I cautiously suggested to my hairdresser that she might be able to do discreet haircuts in people’s homes, and she seemed quite shocked. ‘Anyway,’ she said ‘it’s a paid holiday for me so I don’t need to really.’

380040 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Cranmer, 6, #651 of 2208 🔗

If you own a salon that’s probably the case, but the attitude “it’s a paid holiday for me” leaves a lot to be desired when she gets taxed out of existence to pay for it all she may change that attitude..

380408 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #652 of 2208 🔗

Fantastic. I’ve been doing my own haircut – sure it ends up being wonky behind but since no-one really cares, its OK with me. Plus I save money.

379761 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #653 of 2208 🔗

The school children of Arnhem still place flowers on the graves of British Paratroopers who gave their lives fighting to free the Dutch nation

Many of the Paratroopers were only 19 or 20 years of age

The Dutch know what it is to live under a regime like the one that the Pig Dictator is creating

Brave Dutch people please keeping fighting until victory is yours

379799 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cecil B, 13, #654 of 2208 🔗

the Dutch still tell the Germans they want their bicycles back – (as they were all nicked/confiscated during the occupation ) especially at football matches .

379763 leggy, replying to leggy, 6, #655 of 2208 🔗

Just had an update on what’s happening in our German office. Seems like everyone there now needs to wear an FFP2 or surgical mask – even on the roof – I only ever visited the roof there to have a cigarette, so I’m not sure how that works. In addition, everyone must maintain a 10m² personal area. A new form of bubble no less! The measures are in place, “initially”, until 15th March. I think I know how that will pan out.

379797 ▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 5, #656 of 2208 🔗

Fully expecting that to be the case in many offices here – and many more will simply never reopen or remain more or less empty

There are only two ways an office can work going forward – back to normal, anyone who doesn’t like it can stay at home OR covid-safe, anyone who doesn’t like it can stay at home

Most offices other than very small ones where the boss and majority are sceptics will be covid safe so people like me will never go to them again

I miss the old office (to be honest not terribly because of the travelling but that’s personal choice) but the old office won’t come back so I have no desire to be in an office with swervers

379825 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 6, #657 of 2208 🔗

All the employees HAVE to be OFFERED a medical examination if they are fit to wear FFP2 masks with a AMTSARZT. A govt approved doctor.
If they choose to wear those, even after a medical examination, they are only ALLOWED BY LAW to wear them for 75minutes and then have to have 35minute break.
10sm personal space? That is impossible I would say.

379856 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, 1, #658 of 2208 🔗

Oddly not a mention of exemptions or of any time bound restrictions on use by our MD! I’m tempted to reply all on the email and point those things out, but probably best not to rock the boat too much. He did at least make it clear that you didn’t have to wear one when seated at your desk – as long as the 10m2 thing is maintained.

379889 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, #659 of 2208 🔗

Sadly “not rock the boat too much” is the general attitude.
Ok, I understand for most people, it is important to have job security, and we want to be “happy” going to work.
But even the RKI does not recommend the use of surgical or FFP2 masks unless necessary to carry out certain jobs.
Of course if you do not have to constantly wear the mnc, they get away with it.
I asked my mother in Germany yday, do the shop staff wear those masks? She said no, only the shoppers have to. Is this logical? No.

380155 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Silke David, #660 of 2208 🔗

Well, the thing is I don’t even work in that office – I (used to!) visit once or twice a year. I just happen to be on the email distribution list. So it’d be a bit cheeky for me to start calling out the way they run their office in a different country. To be fair, they have also said that people can work from home if they wish, there’s no obligation to go in.

Bizarre double standards that you mention regarding shop staff and shoppers though.

380278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, #661 of 2208 🔗

German govt are pushing work from home hard, as too many people use public transport, hence them making “medical grade” mnc mandatory in shops and PT.
Germans and the country has been very slow to use ditgital/internet based tools.
Pin and chip or contactless payment has only become a thing in the last 2 or 3 years. It just was not possible as banks did not facilitate it.
I once tried to pay by CC in a large clothing store, which has a lot of tourist business, they did not accept CCs!
As my family does not really internet, I am not aware how the speeds are to make home working possible.

379904 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to leggy, #662 of 2208 🔗

Is that because you don’t breathe when you are at your desk?????

380157 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to vargas99, #663 of 2208 🔗

Who knows any more!

379853 ▶▶ Will, replying to leggy, 1, #664 of 2208 🔗

The virus is about to explode in Germany.

379893 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, 1, #665 of 2208 🔗

They are shit scared, as the media and the health dept, make such a fuss about the “British virus”.
+tests are in deep decline, and most are reported from care homes, where they have been vaccinating.

379764 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #666 of 2208 🔗

A report from care homes in Stockholm with Covid deaths: only 17% died of Covid (dominating cause of death); for 75%, Covid could have been a contributory factor; and for 8% , there was another cause of death entirely.”

So perhaps a rule of thumb is that only about 20% of reported ‘Covid’ deaths are actually due to Covid – when looking at Scary Fairy figures.

379836 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 7, #667 of 2208 🔗

The so called Covid deaths in Italy were found to be far fewer, indeed eighty-eight percent were found to be falsely attributed. Of course, the so called fact checkers assert this is false, and Google puts them to the top of its search results and hides the official assessment.
The above includes a link to the official report.

379915 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #668 of 2208 🔗

The same can be said about Ireland if the research of Delores Cahill is to be believed. Out of 1700 deaths declared as Covid-19 related, all but 92 were admitted to be primarily related to comorbidities when doctors and coroners were challenged under threat of being reported for making false statements.

379765 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #669 of 2208 🔗

Ta dah, the Ferguson milestone has been reached 100,000, but the fact that all other COPD conditions have disappeared,which would have been the end result for many, seems to have gone over their heads.

379816 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to DanClarke, 8, #670 of 2208 🔗

My reply to that article.

How many of those in care homes have died within 28 days of being administered the first “vaccine” shot. How many of those deaths were unexpected or the person’s health deteriorated rapidly and without reason? I fear this is going to end up, together with the 25000 deaths in care home in March / April of last year as a scandal of monumental proportions.

379817 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to DanClarke, 9, #671 of 2208 🔗

100,000 deaths attributed to COVID does not mean 100,000 COVID deaths.

379934 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #672 of 2208 🔗

Glad you said that.

379766 The Covid Kid, 3, #673 of 2208 🔗

Anyone remember the ‘Project Fear’ slogan? Oh, the irony….

379770 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #674 of 2208 🔗

Why is Johnson standing like that in an empty class room, are we meant to think he is some sort of saviour, bringing us to this state.

380000 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to DanClarke, #675 of 2208 🔗

it is either to allow you to look into his eyes and tell him how stupid he is or to show to all of us how stupid he is. Pick one!

379775 isobar, 11, #676 of 2208 🔗

The headline of the DM article about Florida and California listed in the round up section reads: Two states, two VERY different COVID tactics…. but the same depressing result: California ordered strict lockdowns, while Florida ‘trusted common sense’ and now both have nearly identical case rates, hospitalizations and deaths
Err, shouldn’t the headline read “Proof that lockdowns don’t work?


Surprisingly detailed article for the DM, well worth a read, lots of pertinent comments!

379782 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #677 of 2208 🔗

Christ that was hard to read…what a great lad!

379850 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #678 of 2208 🔗

Made me cry.

379901 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #679 of 2208 🔗

great? he should be hanging out with his mates, playing football, with no worries bigger than next week’s maths test. this is a fucking outrage.

379787 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 45, #680 of 2208 🔗

We’ve just posted the ‘Great Reopening’ info’ on the town’s WhatsApp page. Don’t think the ‘People’s Republic of SW’ will be opening on Saturday. These are the responses so far:

Eye-roll emoji
“Perhaps they can do some voluntary work on a COVID ward” (from the guy who runs the Foot Clinic).
“Totally irresponsible, we’ll never re-open with stuff like this” sad emoji, angry emoji (this from the woman who was recently awarded the BEM).

I think it’s safe to say we are totally at odds with the majority view here.

379795 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 26, #681 of 2208 🔗

Yes, the “we’ll never be free until you give up your freedom” line is really horrible.

379808 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to this is my username, 12, #682 of 2208 🔗

It’s point missing on an epic scale.

379895 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 13, #683 of 2208 🔗

I’m beginning to really believe now that these morons in fact deserve everything that’s coming to them. They’re not worth trying to save. if you can get yourself out of here, then do it, leave them to their fate

379928 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #684 of 2208 🔗

I am reminded of the “weapon” dropped on Sedom-ve-Gomorah as the story goes in the Bible; at a certain stage, you have to give up on those who absolutely won’t help themselves, and “GTF Out Of Dodge”.

That said, I also wonder why We should be leaving, and not Them ; after all, They’re the ones who are too frightened to live their lives.

379947 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #685 of 2208 🔗

I was there in May. They deserve absolutely everything that is coming, and since I and my family will be dragged down with them, I think I will go for the ‘jailer’ type jobs the government will need filled when this has played out. Fuck them.

379949 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #686 of 2208 🔗

I came to that conclusion a few weeks ago. Those that have willingly accepted their own demise deserve neither help nor sympathy, IMO. Eg a shop in my village, despite being allowed to remain open as it sells food, has decided to close, and I quote the sign on the door, ‘because of the worrying rise of the new variant’. I can understand closing because it is the law, but not doing so voluntarily because of media-fuelled fears.

379959 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 7, #687 of 2208 🔗

I think engagement in the 30th January protest will be very small – although I wish it well and will do my best to support any businesses involved. I think the main purpose of it will be to a. show that not everybody is taking this lying down; b. add to the general ‘background noise’ of discontentment and scepticism about lockdowns and c. expose just how nasty, vindictive, ignorant and fearful much of the British populace has become.

380038 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 2, #688 of 2208 🔗

Let’s see. Angry people tend to over represent their side of the argument.

380491 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #689 of 2208 🔗

Unfortunately those people are basically committing business hara-kiri.

Shan’t shed tears for them when they go bust.

379794 leggy, replying to leggy, 36, #690 of 2208 🔗

Reading the DM article about the unrest in Holland and came across this comment from a Dutch local:

Our hospitals have been stretched to the max each fall in the last decade due to budget cuts. Several hospitals have closed down, even in this year. Yet somehow hospital capacity is the fault of those wanting to live? At the moment, the biggest issue for our hospitals (and many other services) are people having to stay at home due to PCR tests with high false positive rates.

Sound familiar? A cynic might wonder if there’d been a deliberate effort to cut hospital capacities in order to create exactly this scenario during a “pandemic”.

379798 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to leggy, 7, #691 of 2208 🔗

It would make sense – how do you crash the economy like this with a functioning health system in place?

379804 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to leggy, 16, #692 of 2208 🔗

Belarus has 6 x the bed capacity per 1000 people than the UK (12 vs 2)….maybe the NHS can suck on that for a moment as they scream about being overwhelmed, all the while adding layers of management, diversity officers, climate change moron officers and sundry admin posts ad infinitum…..

UK 140 K beds (country of 70 million) = 2 beds per 1000.
Belarus 125 K beds (country of 10 million) = 12 per 1000.

Where has all the money eaten by the NHS gone to?

NHS spend 2015-16: £116 bn
NHS spend 2020: £130 bn….

379810 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 3, #693 of 2208 🔗

As I pointed out the other day though, Belarus has a particular issue in that i suspect they are still dealing with the long lasting effects of Chernobyl. The country was massively affected by nuclear fallout.

379819 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to FerdIII, 4, #694 of 2208 🔗

It rose by 4% per year in real terms 1948-2010. Then the increase almost halted, probably because a political choice was made to shrink public spending.

The 2012-20 increase needs to be corrected for inflation and population growth. Then it might or might not show a problem.

Much as we criticise the NHS, other European countries like Switzerland spend a fortune by comparison (i.e. % of GDP).

I even read that Sweden’s NHS cut spending too much and as a result they are short of ICU beds.

379824 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to John001, 2, #695 of 2208 🔗

I mistyped, should be 2015-20.

379837 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to FerdIII, 1, #696 of 2208 🔗

I doubt bed capacity alone can explain the huge difference in fatality rates.

379849 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Mayo, 9, #697 of 2208 🔗

Not really about death rates and capacity (there may be a causal link I don’t know) – more about the hysteria of saving the NHS. They imbibe unlimited funds, waste them, hire diversity officers and mgrs in lieu of beds and technology and then cry every single winter about not being able to cope. Meanwhile in Soviet Belarus they have 6 x the bed capacity….the NHS is sick and needs some hard medicine.

379865 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FerdIII, 13, #698 of 2208 🔗

I’m sick of ‘save the NHS’ – why should anyone want or try to save something that is not fit for purpose? far less give up their rights and freedoms to do so. if it can’t do its job, then let it fucking die

379867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #699 of 2208 🔗

It’s like enabling an addict.

379873 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #700 of 2208 🔗

You’re conflating two different issues :

  1. Death rates : unknown except all-cause, which always peak at this time of year.
  2. Bed capacity : irrefutably too low every year to cope with seasonal demand, but currently used to throw a scare about Covid.
379926 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 2, #701 of 2208 🔗

Are you missing the point deliberately? The lack of NHS capacity has been the rationale for all the restrictions since last March.

379981 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Mayo, 1, #702 of 2208 🔗

But it explains why we need to save nhs and have lockdowns. Also, lower the number of beds and you don’t need that many nurses and doctors and you could add more layers of stupid and incompetent management. Easy!

380424 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #703 of 2208 🔗

Mayo, you are what we in Ireland would call a hurler on the ditch. You offer criticisms without solutions and have nothing obvious to add to the debate. Why are you here?

379857 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FerdIII, 10, #704 of 2208 🔗

Where has all the money eaten by the NHS gone to?”

PFI and other privatisation scams.

379861 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, 5, #705 of 2208 🔗

And many many layers of useless managers.

379987 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to redbirdpete, #706 of 2208 🔗

Not just useless – thieves!

379984 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to RickH, #707 of 2208 🔗

Embezzlement! Theft! Corruption! Scams! Revolving doors! and so on, and on, and on, year after year after year! Total shame!

380030 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 1, #708 of 2208 🔗

layers of unnecessary admin and management

379890 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FerdIII, 1, #709 of 2208 🔗

According to the King’s Fund in march 2020 the total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, ‘has more than halved from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000* in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. The UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems’.
(*) This figure was further clarified by the Graun in November 2019 just prior the to 2020 C19 scam, and given at 127,225, with reference to: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/bed-availability-and-occupancy/bed-data-overnight/

380009 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #710 of 2208 🔗

There are very good reasons why we don’t need as many hospital beds. Most developed countries have reduced beds in hospitals. However, we may have slightly overdone it.

380275 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Mayo, 1, #711 of 2208 🔗

However, we may have slightly overdone it.

Understatement of the day, given we are only in lockdown because of the lack of NHS beds. The economy is now being sacrificed to the tune of £trillions (and be in no doubt the level of long term borrowing the UK is incurring dwarfs anything Sunak has ever seemed able to either envisage or admit). And all because penny pinching agenda driven politicians in successive neo-lib governments (of all stripes) decided to keep chipping away at the NHS to save £billions, despite a growing (and ageing) population. But the money was always there for wars and HS2 style vanity projects.

379814 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 7, #712 of 2208 🔗

How strange? If you come from Holland you are allowed to not only speak such words, but even get them printed in a national newspaper.

But if you come from Britain?

379834 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Bill, 4, #713 of 2208 🔗

To be fair, the below the line comments in the Mail have been much more open the last year than I’ve ever seen them!

379863 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to leggy, 6, #714 of 2208 🔗

Yes. I think the Mail in particular would like to ‘come out’ as sceptic but fears reprisal.

379940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #715 of 2208 🔗

I get the impression some of the MSM is teetering on the brink of wanting to stoke fears about lockdowns rather than fears about Covid. I think they are just not quite sure if the readership will accept it. I think they are trying to gauge whether the fear of Covid has been sufficiently exhausted now.

379839 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 4, #716 of 2208 🔗

Hospital capacity has also been continually reduced in Germany over the last six months, while number of beds occupied has remained fairly stable.

379885 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, 2, #717 of 2208 🔗

Certainly does, how so many countries can claim the same reason

379961 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to leggy, 2, #718 of 2208 🔗

“The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly.

Most other advanced health care systems have also reduced bed numbers in recent years. However, the UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems.”

See: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

A grave failure of strategic planning.

380016 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #719 of 2208 🔗

A grave failure of strategic planning.

More likely – massively improved surgical techniques which have slashed confinement times by 75%. Also, lengthy stays in hospital were strongly , linked to negative outcomes.

379812 tides, 1, #720 of 2208 🔗
379813 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 5, #721 of 2208 🔗

Re hotel COVID. Surely Alex Polizzi is girding her loins and push-up bra for a special series of ‘Hotel Inspector’. In. which she rolls her eyes at management failure to instal the iron bars on the windows straight, to monitor the 15 minute daily exercise rigorously and to provide enough bars of soap to bend over for in the shepherds?

379815 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to TyRade, #722 of 2208 🔗

in the showers….meant

381250 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to TyRade, #723 of 2208 🔗

I imagined ‘the shepherds’ was some exotic prison slang.

You’ve spoiled it now.

379823 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #724 of 2208 🔗

Just a reminder:

“Prof Whitty said: “In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all. So we do not advise that.”

“The only people we do sometimes use masks for are people who have got an infection and that is to help them to stop it spreading around,” he added.”


379852 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #725 of 2208 🔗

the miserable fuckers just make it up as they go along, don’t they. the question for them is not ‘what’s true’ but ‘what can I get away with; what will the gullible morons believe’

379860 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #726 of 2208 🔗

And then just memory hole anything remotely inconvenient or embarrassing.

379876 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #727 of 2208 🔗

I watched a man emerging from Lidl this morning. He was masked and in the cold air a cloud of water vapour rose from it. It occurred to me that if the mesh was small enough to catch viruses, he wouldn’t be able to breathe.

379826 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #728 of 2208 🔗

It’s commonly acknowledged that most politicians are scientifically illiterate and the people in general are scientifically illiterate who believe the politicians.

To demonstrate how scientifically illiterate most politicians and people are, last year Donald Trump (who didn’t say inject bleach and swallow a UV lamp) who obviously had asked his advisors how do you kill viruses (you cannot kill something that’s not alive) and was informed bleach and UV light can “kill” viruses. So he asked why not inject a bleach type substance or some UV light treatment.

This just demonstrates that politicians and the people don’t understand science and get scared by something they don’t understand.

379845 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #729 of 2208 🔗

I suspect trump had been briefed on cedars Sinai uv treatment

379879 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #730 of 2208 🔗

He said “disinfectant”, not “bleach type substance”. Quite an important distinction in my view.

379931 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #731 of 2208 🔗

I watched the whole of that speech because I didn’t believe Trump had said anything remotely like ‘inject yourself with bleach’. He said something about how tests had shown bleach was good at preventing Covid spread on surfaces, and asked one of the scientific advisors if there was any way that could be adapted for human use – sounds perfectly reasonable to me. It’s a pity he then had to go on to pretend he was being ‘sarcastic’ when he clearly wasn’t.

380045 ▶▶ mj, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #732 of 2208 🔗

and this is not as bad as the “science” with which our government are “advised” and the total ignorance and understanding of this science by all these dicks with degrees in PPE . They have got the broad knowledge to listen to something that they are being told and to think “is that right? do i need further corroboration ?”

379830 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #733 of 2208 🔗

Good article from AIER suggests that lockdown policy is really part of a wider agenda, even ‘philosophy’.


379841 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #734 of 2208 🔗
379846 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #735 of 2208 🔗

Can anyone tell me what the percentage of new infections is of those already vaccinated?

379880 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #736 of 2208 🔗

I don’t suppose that’s a stat we’ll ever be allowed to see.

379887 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to leggy, 2, #737 of 2208 🔗

I thought I heard a figure of 60% on London calling podcast

379847 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #738 of 2208 🔗

The ‘case’ made by the Lockdown Maniacs (above) is fascinating – and heartening in some ways.

Why ‘heartening’ – well, basically because it’s such patent bollocks, ironically based on (irony of ironies) the sort of ‘straw man’ arguments that they accuse sceptics of.

Basically – you have to be incredibly dim to genuinely subscribe to their case.

Just take one example :

Cases have been constantly going up and down throughout the last 11 months”

Well – if your basic observational powers are at that level …..!!!!

379896 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 6, #739 of 2208 🔗

Sadly I know of some incredibly intelligent people dim enough to subscribe to their case – in the main technocratic types who think every problem can be solved and lockdowns would work if only one could do them properly

And equally intelligent people dim enough to think that govts mean well and won’t take away freedom permanently for no good reason

379851 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #740 of 2208 🔗

Our governments are attacking us.

Anyone interested to understand what kind of government is being run in Scotland need only see this link.

This is not a lockdown link, but it demonstrates beyond any doubt why fighting within the democratic system is not possible.

Our government issues a blank sheet of paper in response to a request for a date in Sturgeons diary. This is but one minor detail, see the link for an account of the full cover up corruption government games that continue inside this covid84 reality they have brought upon us.

Worth others reading to better spot patterns of concealment by those in positions of power who would attack our countries from within.

Our systems are shot through, out of control and intent on our destruction.

379859 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 6, #741 of 2208 🔗

I hadn’t realised that Craig Murray was on trial for telling the truth about the attempt to stitch up Salmond. Poor guy.

379964 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #742 of 2208 🔗

His blog is well worth keeping up with.

379872 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 31, #743 of 2208 🔗

Had a great chat with our plumber this morning as he came to quote for a job. Haven’t seen him for nearly two years, but pleased to say that he is as sceptical as the rest of us are here, if not more so. He asked about wearing a mask, to which we told him no need. He has an exemption card too. He worked throughout last year and said that everyone for whom he had worked, was sceptical too. So much for polls.
He reports that a couple of agency nurses he knows are really raking in the cash at the moment, doing overtime and picking and choosing when to work. Funnily enough our decorator confirmed this last week. He was working for a nurse who confessed that she has made a lot of money during this “pandemic”
Anecdotal, I know, but it’s days like this which make me feel better.

379891 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Margaret, 7, #744 of 2208 🔗

Same with me, 2 sets of trades people, over this time, both feeling the same way and no one cowering in their houses making them muzzle up.

379898 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to DanClarke, 9, #745 of 2208 🔗

Consider yourself lucky. I have lost 2 sets of trades people who insisted that before they came into my house I had to wear a muzzle as well as them.

379924 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Old Bill, 9, #746 of 2208 🔗

You have not lost anything – it’s they who have lost a potential customer.

379927 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Old Bill, 3, #747 of 2208 🔗

Were they self-employed or did they work for a company?

379900 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 11, #748 of 2208 🔗

My experience of trades is the same. Though I’m not surprised that he only encounters sceptical people, the abnormal are probably too terrified to call a stranger into their house! I wonder how many are putting up with faulty heating etc. in winter due to their fears.

380067 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Margaret, 5, #749 of 2208 🔗

Most of the other lads I work with are pretty sceptical on the whole but not quite to the degree I am . None of any other trades I know have stopped at all the last year and are probably the busiest they have been since the late 90s .
Been trying to get a chimney sweep to come round my place for the last couple of weeks as we have had the log burner on a lot , finally got hold of a local one yesterday and it turns out he is a full corona spastic . He let us know that he will be fully masked up respirator style at all times , asked if we could open all the widows in the living room prior to his arrival and could not be in the same room as him while he is working maybe wait in the kitchen for him and could we leave the cash on the side board by the front door. Dear god what a F#cking coward .

380109 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Christopher, 1, #750 of 2208 🔗

There must be other sweeps in your area, Chris ?

380127 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to JohnB, 1, #751 of 2208 🔗

Tried two others local sweeps and they would even answer the phone , we do have the company that installed the burner offering a sweep service but we had some real issues with them during the install ( basically they were pushy arseholes ) so really don’t want give money to them again.
If I can find another local sweep in the meantime I will cancel the corona drone .

379875 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 19, #752 of 2208 🔗

More on the German claim that the EMA is considering not granting approval for the AZ vaccine for over 65s.
It transpires that the higher efficacy numbers from the onefull/one half dose for the over 55s were based on 4 ( FOUR) people. One who was vaccinated, and 3 in the placebo group. On that basis the UK gave emergency approval for the use in older age group.
Since that time more people and more over 55s and over 65s have been given the same doses and its results from that updated data that the EMA are considering.
Now at the time some thought went into why the lower second dose gave better results. Its likely that its because the immune system remembered the ‘monkey’ coronavirus from the first dose and killed it stone dead when reinjected at the same levels. A lower dose was tolerated because the immune system didn’t see it as much of a threat.
But why use a ‘monkey’ virus at all? Because using a human coronavirus would be recognised by the immune system and attacked, so not useful for a vaccine.
For this debate I ignore the rNA ‘vaccines’ which Gibraltar experience shows are just killing elderly people.
The perverse logic is outstanding.
It clearly points to the fact that most humans with healthy immune systems will destroy the so-called ‘new’ coronavirus on contact. This is borne out by now two pharmas stopping their development of vaccines ( a French one joining the US one yesterday), because they just can’t get a better response than the bodies own immune system.
So we have a completely FAKE epidemic. One perpetuated by false testing ( PCR) and one which normal healthy humans are immune to.
The evidence is clear.

379994 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -1, #753 of 2208 🔗

For this debate I ignore the rNA ‘vaccines’ which Gibraltar experience shows are just killing elderly people.

I don’t think it’s possible to conclude anything from Gibraltar – yet.

380011 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 2, #754 of 2208 🔗

The correlation is as real as the correlation between coronavirus tests and deaths.

380081 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #755 of 2208 🔗

There is no valid correlation in Gibraltar since the effect leads the cause.

380048 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, 3, #756 of 2208 🔗

Well, if they had 16 “covid” deaths during the whole 10 months of the “pandemic”, then 53 deaths within 10 days of being jabbed, does that not strike you as a little odd? Yes, causation/correlation/caveat, but it seems a bit fishy to me. Gibraltar is one of those smallish populations where it should be possible to investigate these outcomes without getting too much noise, much like the cruise ships that we saw right at the start.

380084 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to leggy, -1, #757 of 2208 🔗

The increase in deaths began before the vaccines.

380506 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, 2, #758 of 2208 🔗

Do you have a source for that statement please?

380054 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 3, #759 of 2208 🔗

I was ignoring. However mrNA trial results were not about immunity, just reduction in symptoms. So the 95% ‘success’ was irrelevant. However 16 deaths from start of epidemic to time of injections, and 53 deaths in the 10 days from the start of injections is stretching coincidence in Gibraltar bit far ( even assuming correlation is not causation).
Quite why you picked up this one sentence which was not really relevant to the points I was making is typical of someone trying hard to dissemble.

380100 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -3, #760 of 2208 🔗

Just pointing out the possible flaw with the Gibraltar ‘correlation’.

The increase in deaths began before the vaccine rollout.

380429 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to peyrole, 1, #761 of 2208 🔗

There are 4 established criteria to determine whether a pathogen and disease is suitable for the development of a vaccine.
Sars-Cov2/Covid 19 fulfills none of them.
Medically, this should only ever have been about treatment.
And the corrupt hindrance of scientific research into those, rather than sponsoring proper RCTs on them immediately, is possibly the biggest case of criminal negligence, or even premiditated murder motivated by greed, by governments, health officials, journos and the cooperating and benefitting business people, ever.

379882 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #762 of 2208 🔗

Is the great panic of 2020/21 the year we finally lose any remaining shreds of moral advantage against the authoritarian collectivist states?

The difference has always been in many ways as much one of degree as of kind, but as we have moved to openly holding basic liberty hostage to state convenience and dictat, forbidding and violently suppressing protest, manipulating opinion with sophisticated and massively budgeted propaganda, and systematically censoring dissent and punishing dissenters either economically or judicially, what is there left, on which to base a claim that we are fundamentally different from China or Russia?

As we flail about, claiming that we do it less, or only to “genuinely bad” people, the authoritarian states can just casually broadcast footage of British or European police beating peaceful protesters, or show reports of systematic censorship by big tech billionaires with shady connections to Democrat political figureheads.

On the bright side, we now have much less to lose now from the leftist, globalist push towards a world state, de facto or de jure, in which there will be no “outside”, nowhere to escape to, and no counter examples to highlight the inefficiencies and brutality of the collectivists. Nowhere to defeat them this time, as the Soviet version of what we now face was defeated, essentially by the persistent existence of examples of a better way.

379894 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 11, #763 of 2208 🔗

It’s bleak

We’re probably still better off than some of the worst examples of such states, but the gap is narrowing and if we stay locked down forever then barring somewhere like North Korea one would start to wonder if a state with authoritarian tendencies but little or no coronabollocks was preferable to a supposed democracy like ours where the people have surrendered their freedom

I still think it could go either way here

379897 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 10, #764 of 2208 🔗

We have crossed some very significant lines this past year.

379916 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 5, #765 of 2208 🔗

Even individually. I don’t think those fully onto zero Covid now as the way ahead will be able to come down from that moral pedestal they have placed themselves on. They will sacrifice all notion of individual liberty to have their way, with a clear conscience as well. They are happy to have a virtuous purpose and the power to wield their chosen policy.

How can they ever come back from that? I don’t know

379962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #766 of 2208 🔗

A good point. Precedents have been set and lines crossed both institutionally and individually.

379998 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 1, #767 of 2208 🔗

I would ask this: how are North Koreans worse off than us now?

379911 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 7, #768 of 2208 🔗

Is the great panic of 2020/21 the year we finally lose any remaining shreds of moral advantage against the authoritarian collectivist states?

What “moral advantage”? Are you thinking of the morality of illegal wars of aggression against Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya? Or may be the hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths at home caused by the austerity imposed for the finance capitalists? Or may be the war waged against the working class in the name of Victorian values?

379948 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #769 of 2208 🔗

The difference can be and often was exaggerated, as I mentioned, but it is frankly silly to claim it was never there.

Foreign policy was always the weakest area to claim any moral superiority, and the one most lied about in the west. As someone who has spent a lifetime opposing interventionist wars I take no lessons on that aspect from anybody.

The rest of your claims made there are leftist propaganda nonsense (“ unnecessary deaths … caused by the austerity “) or silly exaggeration and distortion (“ war waged against the working class in the name of Victorian values “), very similar in kind to the stuff used to push the coronapanic upon us.

379943 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mark, 8, #770 of 2208 🔗

A very good point. I’d certainly prefer to be in Belarus at the moment, where you can do the things that make life living, most of which are now forbidden here. Sure, there’s more political freedom here but where is that getting us? We have the choice of the pro-lockdown government or the even more pro-lockdown opposition.

379960 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Chicot, 4, #771 of 2208 🔗

there’s more political freedom here

Only within the bounds set as “acceptable” by the establishment. Much as in places like Belarus. Where of course you are also free to set up any kind of party, as long as you are willing to accept systematic harassment by authorities, by fanatics and by paid thugs

379971 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Chicot, 5, #772 of 2208 🔗

I would go to Belarus like a shot, today.

380078 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark, #773 of 2208 🔗

In China you wouldn’t be able to access a website like this, which counts for something. But I’m coming around to your way of thinking.

380147 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, #774 of 2208 🔗

In China you can access dissenting opinion that is within the bounds of permitted dissent, as this site is still (just about) at the moment.

Here it is very difficult to operate effectively if you are outside the bounds of permitted dissent but the US First Amendment still clings on to limit direct open suppression – if you can find wealthy backers and service providers who will take your custom. That limited protection will be gone soon, most likely.

379892 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #775 of 2208 🔗

This is remarkable. A patient with a rare condition, not producing antibodies how had a mild C-19 infection due to a responsive and intact T cells immunity. Show this to all deniers of T cells immunity.It might be the most important in immunity?


 SARS-CoV-2-Associated T-Cell Responses in the Presence of Humoral Immunodeficiency

379908 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #776 of 2208 🔗

I’ve seen this reported before. Can’t remember which article cited it.

There was also a discussion on conjoined twins over the years not getting sick at the same time from viral infection like flu or measles.

379899 Tattersall, replying to Tattersall, 1, #777 of 2208 🔗

Help, please.
At https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/953502/NOIDS-weekly-report-week2-2021.pdf
It gives

For the week in question it gives just 145 cases of COVID 19 in England and Wales (p.14). Can anyone explain this?

379906 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tattersall, 3, #778 of 2208 🔗

NOIDS should be reported by a GP, usually based on symptoms; however if a person has a test for SARS-CoV-2 there’s a note in their medical record that states that PHE has been informed ( irrespective of result) and there’s no need to submit a NOID.

380158 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to p02099003, #779 of 2208 🔗

But people who go to ERs with symptoms, rather than GPs, and people who get symptoms in hospitals surely still have to be reported NOIDS irrespective of PCRs?

379907 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tattersall, #780 of 2208 🔗

As I understand it, these reports are from GPs (who are barely seeing anyone of course). That has been the reason proffered to the query recently anyway.

379912 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tattersall, #781 of 2208 🔗

It was explained here by a GP before. Most test results get reported straight to PHE and into the system via the labs.
The statutory reporting of disease is a GP report. And most GPs do not do any tests.

379905 Silke David, 2, #782 of 2208 🔗

My friend had the first dose of Pfizer last week as she is a care worker. She had it at the hospital, and was given a paper with possible side effects and where to report side effects if she wants to.
No explanation of what a mRNA is, but at least it sounds a better procedure than what some people described here.

She knows a GP who works (hours unknown) and volunteers? jabbing people. Does she not get paid?
In Germany doctors get 120E per hour. Although it was pointed out that as they are unable to do normal surgery hours, the surgery looses about 4000E due to still having to pay rent, costs, staff costs etc.

379910 JanMasarykMunich, 8, #783 of 2208 🔗

Short essay speculates on what Roger Scruton would have made of it all, with particular emphasis on importance of the face.

‘To cover your face is to withdraw from those around you the possibility of engaging with you I-to-I (as Scruton put it). We are not “potential vectors of transmission” only. We are also souls in the world.’


379918 neilhartley, 14, #784 of 2208 🔗

This comment from the DT today:

Whilst I accept that there is a virus, I do not believe it is as dangerous to the masses as it is being made out to be!

In response to a FOI request to the Grampian NHS Board in Scotland with serves a population of over 500,000. They confirmed that from February 2020 to the 25th November 2020, the numbers of deaths recorded where COVID 19 was the sole cause were:

Confirmed – 15
Suspected – 5

Having never believed any statistics put out by any Govt, these numbers do not seem to tally with those of the Govts.

Perhaps if we had proper investigate journalism, we may have accurate numbers reported via the mass media, rather than terrifying folks.

379919 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 17, #785 of 2208 🔗


 “Anti-lockdown Armenia. Too poor to afford one. No vaccines yet. Too poor to get any. Hmm…

380099 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to swedenborg, #786 of 2208 🔗


379920 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 15, #787 of 2208 🔗

1500 PCR tests sequenced and found to be influenza A and B, not SARS-CoV2.


379929 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #788 of 2208 🔗

Dolores is an incredible woman.

380058 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #789 of 2208 🔗

Hear hear she is our hero

380128 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #790 of 2208 🔗

More power to her. The way the process of recording death certificates was changed overnight throughout the world at the start of this so-called pandemic gives a lie to those saying this was not planned.
Death certificate manipulation, PCR tests, and now vaccines worse than our natural immune systems. This whole thing is manufactured.
There may or may not be a ‘novel’ coronavirus, but its just one of hundreds, thousands that exist. ‘Covid-19’ is just far too varied to be true. From most apparently don’t know they have had it, ranging to killer disease, with every conceivable symptom under the sun. From a killer in elderly with comorbidities in the richest nations to well nothing much at all in the poorest nations. I call Bull Shit!

380243 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JHUNTZ, #791 of 2208 🔗

Spot on.

379986 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #792 of 2208 🔗

Not to mention identifying that only 92 out of 1700 deaths reported in Ireland as Covid-19 deaths were due to covid-19. The doctors and coroners who signed the death certificates were challenged (under threat of being reported for providing false statements on a death certificate), with the deceased medical history provided by relatives. Almost all recanted on the diagnosis and confirmed an alternative primary cause of death.


379922 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 6, #793 of 2208 🔗

Per; why virtually NO-ONE is watching the virtual DAV(r)is summit this year – the correct answer is, “it’s just really boring”.
Honestly, Klaus is the worst James Bond villain since that geezer in Thunderball.

379976 ▶▶ Alice, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #794 of 2208 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Perhaps someone here with a very high boredom threshold (and plenty of time) could do a summary? I’m sure James Delingpole is going to comment at some point as well.

379999 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 2, #795 of 2208 🔗

Build Back Better




God help us all.

380065 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to awildgoose, 3, #796 of 2208 🔗

Saw this the other day too. I don’t really get involved in all that, but it I thought it curious.

379923 James Leary #KBF, 11, #797 of 2208 🔗

The late David Barclay:

‘Liberty depends on memory,’ he said. ‘Doing away with the past is the chief technique of modern tyrants.’

379925 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #798 of 2208 🔗

This comment just now from the Gates owned Telegraph :-

“The airline industry has sounded the alarm over the plans to introduce quarantine hotels. In a joint statement, Karen Dee, chief executive of the Airport Operators Association and Tim Alderslade, chief executive of Airlines UK, said that Britain already had “some of the highest levels of restrictions in the world” and that the “impact of further measures would be catastrophic.”
Meanwhile, new data from YouGov suggests that the public is overwhelmingly supportive of introducing a temporary hotel quarantine system, with 87 per cent of those polled saying they agreed with the measure”

Where on earth do yougov get their “public opinions” from ? the same people as Dominion voting systems i guess..

379930 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 14, #799 of 2208 🔗

So according to that bullshit poll, 87% of the people are perfectly happy never to travel abroad again, for any reason.

379944 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Richard O, 5, #800 of 2208 🔗

87% of people happy to pay an extra £1,500 to “isolate”. Staggering !

379953 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 3, #801 of 2208 🔗

It is easy to dismiss opinion polls as obviously being fake, skewed or selective, but every time one of these figures is published in MSM and not strongly questioned is another nail in our coffin. We are literally being polled to death.

380397 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to nickbowes, #802 of 2208 🔗

I am pretty convinced that those 87% are made up only of people who think a) it’s only for furreinas, like Brexit and b) it will only be temporary, until Easter, or a combination of both.
Boy will they be in for a surprise.

379951 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Richard O, 4, #803 of 2208 🔗

Will also add- i have been a yougov member for around ten years and i don`t think i have ever had one political or corvid related survey.

380063 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to nickbowes, 3, #804 of 2208 🔗

Actually, following an illuminating post by another commenter, being asked by YouGov “which way do you face in the shower?”, I have started to suspect widespread systematic fraud in polls.

Why would you ask a retarded question like that? Answer – to get some auditable data on pointless questions and then change the question in the database to something fitting the result. It is difficult to fake mass data without it being forensically detectable. So they get real data and alter the question. You probably have answered political surveys, you just didn’t know it.

380070 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to TheBluePill, #805 of 2208 🔗

lol – i got asked that too !!

constantly get asked my sexual orientation too

380039 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Richard O, #806 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think so

379952 ▶▶ Will, replying to nickbowes, 8, #807 of 2208 🔗

I think people think the quarantine won’t apply to them at either end of their journey. Coupled with the latest spat with the EU over vaccine delivery it does make me smile. The Swedes must be wetting themselves as the virus burns itself out in their country.

379965 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to nickbowes, 8, #808 of 2208 🔗

Select one option::

I would prefer see all arrivals in the UK quarantined for 14 days in secure facilities to prevent the spread of new variants of covid-19 in the population

I would prefer that lockdowns continue into the summer and beyond to prevent the spread of new variants of Covid-19 in the population.

And suddenly you have 87% agreement.

380019 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #809 of 2208 🔗

Yes exactly. And no doubt the word ‘temporary’ would have been emphasised, when after nearly a year we know that these measures do not simply disappear.

379937 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 28, #810 of 2208 🔗

Covid-19 , a “natural disaster” is the perfect scapegoat for justifying why an economy is collapsing (even though it’s been in a coma since 2008, and keeled over 17 Sept 2019).

Lockdown is the perfect justification for printing money on a vast scale (6 trillion dollars in the US in 2020, stock market bubble waiting to burst).

Lockdown is a tool for lowering the velocity of money and lessening the chances of hyperinflation while printing all that money to save the “too big to fail” institutions.

Lockdown buys time for the wealthy to move their assets to safe havens (e.g. Bill Gates buys farmland).

Lockdown provides a mechanism for wealth transfer (e.g Big Pharma).

Lockdown could be a useful tool for social control when the economy is collapsing and you need to plunder the banks (e.g. food supply, run on banks).

Covid-19 is the perfect distraction from economic woes.

Lockdowns are political and economic , not a health intervention.

379967 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 4, #811 of 2208 🔗

An excellent distillation of the reality we face. I would suggest one small amendment in the line about social control: replace “ could be ” with “ is “.

380041 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #812 of 2208 🔗


380220 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #813 of 2208 🔗

You have been reading Off Guardian. Interesting essays on there recently. One suggesting this was a Fed-inspired move to stop repo-rates of 10% which appeared in Sept 2019 getting into the retail market and bringing about a crash a lot worse than 2008. Governments were ‘persuaded/coerced into draconian policies which are marginally better than the anarchy resulting from economic/banking meltdown.
Personally I think it may have some merit, as I remain convinced the global move to press the ‘panic button’ eminated from the US at the end of Feb. I suspected at the time it had as much to do with anti-Trump moves as anything else, but know feel this was just a very helpful sideline for the Dems. The risk of a financial meltdown late in 2019 was certainly there.

380264 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to peyrole, 1, #814 of 2208 🔗

I’ve suggested this here previously, prior to the off-guardian write-up:


I don’t think what off-guardian suggest is quite right – too US centric.

The whole situation seems to fit better when considering it as co-ordinated from BIS, IMF, World Bank and including China.

After the GFC of 2008 China suggested moving to reform the international monetary system, see pdf on the BIS site:


So that would put China on board and I imagine the new Bretton Woods that IMF spoke of could be a Special Drawing Rights inspired basket of currencies to replace the dollar.
Plus CBDC to hook all the countries together at a clearing union.

380387 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Freddy Freethinker, #815 of 2208 🔗

A lo g reader comment there provides the link to the international mimicry and collaboration.

380383 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #816 of 2208 🔗

Project Zimbabwe
and ‘swallowed a fly’ are good articles making similar points.

379939 number 6, replying to number 6, 1, #817 of 2208 🔗

Final Thoughts on Lockdown Scepticism:

Firstly the web publication Lockdown Sceptics and its associated comments section are exactly that – “What’s Written on the Box”. Unfortunately this is a bit restrictive as more technical debates are not addressed adequately whereas the pure concept of lockdown harms and possible mitigating interventions are covered and debated in detail. For example the idea that vaccination provides society an “Escape Route” is taken as read, but debate as to the mechanism of this measure or indeed any other alternative strategies are not. That is fair enough as up to now there have been a plethora of sources on the web, mainly on social media such as Twitter which are / were maintained by a variety of experts in the field of statistics and the medical / scientific “Ologies”. Unfortunately over the last few weeks these sources of informed discussion have been systematically demolished by a BRUTAL onslaught of what appears to be some very unpleasant individuals. Character assassination is a frequent ploy as is the pedantic use of word definitions, example Wave, Ripple, Tsunami are all the same! Perhaps the idiot that uses this as an argument should spend a time on a sea front property and actually see what the real English definitions refer to!

Secondly in recognition of the above observations I will try in future NOT to read Lockdown Sceptics in detail, but merely as a quick read of current events as applied to the continuing lockdown, and any hope of its demise. On the other hand I will also attempt to navigate the minefield of Twitter (as an observer only !!!!!!!!!!) , Dr Mike *, Ivor * Dr Clare, Graham *, OK I know I shouldn’t as these are all deluded people who have overstated their credentials, but at least they inspire some equilibrium to increasingly stormy waters.

I have a concern as to one of the individualise referred to above – a Demolition, was it yesterday, refers to him as a Canadian Estate Agent in reality, whereas his stated CV tells of a career in the Public Health Service of the UK. He states he worked as a Scientist at a biological lab which happens to be a few miles from my house in north London, UK. This worries me as this lab took over the civilian duties of Porton Down some years back, they apparently have a high security regime as they deal with dangerous pathogens – Think Wuhan. Well if they have / had such discredited ( by a TROLL) employees I am scared for my safety! Perhaps I should lodge an official complaint as to the location of this lab?

Thirdly a line of today’s issue I found interesting:-
Lorry drivers and binmen faring worse than doctors, nurses, and care workers points towards more complex risk factors than just the sheer amount of human contact (lorry drivers in particular, experience practically none in their day-to-day work).

Why is this? I thought lockdown was all about reducing Human Contact. Any ideas??????

379946 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to number 6, 1, #818 of 2208 🔗

Trying to make this (*) all inclusive, the others are already on onboard

379954 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to number 6, 1, #819 of 2208 🔗

I imagine long distance lorry drivers have less than average social contact, whereas local delivery drivers more.

379955 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #820 of 2208 🔗

The libertarian in me objects furiously to the authoritarianism of covid19 mitigation measures. I’m firmly opposed to masks, forced stay at home orders, travel restrictions, state funded & otherwise snitches, in my view what consenting adults do in there own homes is no one elses business, not the state, neighbours or police etc etc.

The police response to this political crisis is beyond words, the damage being done to societies trust in police will last decades, some still haven’t forgotten the abhorrent police conduct in the coal miners strike! Last summer showed what can happen when police over reach & brutality levels cross the line of the public’s tolerance. It also shows how little say we have in policing by “consent” & how little we are empowered to facilitate real change & reform in an increasingly evident police state (this started before cv19 existed). The police are becoming increasingly equipped to cause serious bodily harm to the innocent public, for no other reason than control, it must be addressed in public debate.

Despite my libertarian nature I have to say i’m becoming increasingly intolerant of the whinging privileged middle classes whining about not being able to go on holiday! Many of us don’t have or can’t afford the luxury bi/annual foreign holidays, some of us never have holidays or ever go a broad to foreign climes. Its not a huge sacrifice to discipline your self-indulgent privilege & not go on holiday for a few months. Yes I realise foreign travel is a massive part of the economy & restrictions will cost jobs, indeed for less developed countries it may be economically & environmentally catastrophic. But put it in personal perspective, its not a big compromise to ask people to not go on holiday for a few months, whilst people are killing themselves over lockdown anxiety. Quarantine is a tried & tested method of controlling the spread of infectious disease the science behind it can not be disputed with our current knowledge.

Finally an explanation why covidians are so stupid.

The Skeptic’s Dictionary

critical thinking

The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we’re driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence. http://skepdic.com/ticriticalthinking.html

To misquote Albert Einstein; “ The insanity of keep doing the same thing & expecting a different outcome “! Appears to me lockdown sceptics are equally guilty with covidians, in doing exactly that, because the only thing that can brake the lockdown cycle & the worship of the covid cult, is to increase Health care capacity, & advance known medical treatments (not vaccines) this is the debate that needs top priority. Keep arguing with science & facts isn’t working alone.

379966 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #821 of 2208 🔗

Quarantine is a tried and tested method but has never involved locking up healthy people or assuming that everyone is ill.

379970 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Kat, 5, #822 of 2208 🔗

Agreed, but please don’t conflate lockdown with quarantine. Quarantine is where unknown health status of an individual moves location.

380238 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #823 of 2208 🔗

Quarantine for something which has an IFR of 0.3%? Do me a favour. This is just the last shot in trying to close borders after PCRs and vaccines are proving to be problematic.

380293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peyrole, #824 of 2208 🔗
  1. Agreed, door bolted after. but doesn’t disprove the effectiveness of quarantine, its just anti-science to pretend quarantine doesn’t prevent spread of infectious disease because you want a holiday.
  2. We do ourselves no favours arguing against scientific fact, traveling in an over sized cigar tube with hundreds of others is another issue i don’t believe masks resolve.
380333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, #825 of 2208 🔗

How many years do you propose to deny people a holiday?

380378 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ewan Duffy, -1, #826 of 2208 🔗

The only thing I “ propose ” is taking responsibility for your actions.

379982 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #827 of 2208 🔗

But put it in personal perspective, its not a big compromise to ask people to not go on holiday for a few months, whilst people are killing themselves over lockdown anxiety.

If you actually had a “libertarian nature” you would understand the crucial significance of your fundamental misrepresentation of the situation there.

Of course, it would be perfectly reasonable to “ask” people not to go on holiday, not to go outside unnecessarily”, to wear face nappies, etc. Then we could have a discussion of whether such requests are actually reasonable or useful suggestions.

That’s how free adults deal with issues.

The problem is the totalitarian scum instead crossed the line by ordering people to do those things, and fining and beating them if they refused or objected. If you side with them, you are wrong.

380002 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, -1, #828 of 2208 🔗

No you’ve taken my words out of context!

Even libertarians understand the unfortunate need for personal sacrifice, responsibility not to harm others & the need for basic laws.

The reality is libertarianism is opposed to central governance, & for self reliance & independence, not chaos & self indulgence.

380018 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #829 of 2208 🔗

Even libertarians understand the unfortunate need for personal sacrifice, responsibility not to harm others & the need for basic laws .”

For a libertarian, by definition, “personal sacrifice” can only be a wholly free choice. It can’t be imposed by force or deceit.

As for laws, that depends how far you are towards the ancap end, but any genuine libertarian requires proof of direct harm in order to justify coercive lawmaking. Not the kind of fantasies about the “greater good” involved in lockdown measures such as preventing travel by the healthy.

There are complicated issues for libertarians about international travel, because fundamentally libertarianism struggles to cope with nations, but that’s not really the issue here anyway.

380025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #830 of 2208 🔗

I’m not sure where we disagree? I just think there are more important issues than were you go on holiday!

For what its worth people that advocate for zoos, factory farming, keeping “pets” are now getting a taste of domestication I don’t have that much sympathy for.

380074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #831 of 2208 🔗

A lot of people in the UK have family links to people in other countries, and obviously vice-versa

So travel is not just about holidays

I have been lucky enough to travel when I wanted to, and agree it’s a nice luxury to have, but to have it removed because of a lie is plain wrong

And bear in mind that there are cheap holidays that are (or were) accessible to working class people that hopefully provide great pleasure to those who have them

380168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, -1, #832 of 2208 🔗

Did i criticise travel to see family?

380230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #833 of 2208 🔗

‘Many of us don’t have or can’t afford the luxury bi/annual foreign holidays’
You’re just jealous and have used a lot of words and convoluted logic to try to hide that fact.

380294 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peyrole, -4, #834 of 2208 🔗

LOL that’s your argument is it?

jealousy “.

Oh come back when you’ve grown up.

380080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #835 of 2208 🔗

I’m not sure where we disagree? I just think there are more important issues than were you go on holiday !”

We disagree when you mistake the real issue here. The problem isn’t that people are “asked” not to travel. The problem is that people were “told” not to travel. And that means any and all objection is absolutely justified (except by lockdown supporters of course, who are contemptible hypocrites if they whinge about personal consequences).

For what its worth people that advocate for zoos, factory farming, keeping “pets” are now getting a taste of domestication I don’t have that much sympathy for.

Animals are not people and libertarianism clearly has no relevance to them or their treatment, unless you like to anthropomorphise. That’s not to say there aren’t perfectly good arguments for not mistreating them, just that rights based arguments are nonsensical in that context.

380164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, -1, #836 of 2208 🔗

No the problem is the prioritisation of the privileged few who self indulge themselves with unnatural acts & believe its their right to travel across the planet in a few hours carrying infectious disease.

As far as i’m aware people were still travelling up until a few weeks ago! So its a moot point.

The borders point is controversial, i depart with classic libertarians in a belief of a right to “own” land, but by definition if an individual can own land then a country can assert territorial rights & close its borders to infection.

I’m for free travel where ever the soul takes you, but you can’t have socialism & open borders, modern travel methods are unsustainable!

As far as specieism is concerned its just pure libertarian hypocrisy to claim your rights are greater than another species, that’s were the roots of slavery & racism come from & if you believe in freedom of travel & libertarian values you should abhor racism & most certainly slavery.

I’ve no problem with being anthropomorphic, if you believe eyes, noses, toes, feet, ears, hearts, lungs etc work the same way in all species that have them there is no logical or scientific reason to consider brains work differently & that we don’t share the same emotions with other animals.

380228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #837 of 2208 🔗

See below on libertarianism.

Re animals, if your proposition had any truth in it then everyone who isn’t a vegetarian is a mass murderer.

I think that should tell you there’s some nonsense in your argument.

“Specieism”! Ye Gods!

380252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, -2, #838 of 2208 🔗

Now your just displaying ignorance & doubling down on stupidity.

A basic ecological principle of the natural world, everything eats each other, evolution & biologically appropriate diet have nothing to do with personal political dogma.

You’re beginning to sound like a subjective emotive socialist. It is astounding how modern civilisation is so detached from nature. & how naive & honestly hypocritical in their beliefs it is.

You call yourself a libetarian but believe unnecessary cruelty & captivity is justified because you believe yourself superior to all other life?

380385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, -1, #839 of 2208 🔗

LOL “ God ” you put sky fairies in a logic debate!

380336 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #840 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think you’ve understood what being a libertarian is.

380372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ewan Duffy, -1, #841 of 2208 🔗

Please do define it, oh wise one.

380487 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ewan Duffy, #842 of 2208 🔗

Quite entertaining, though, as an exercise in collecting up the buzzwords and phrases and basically throwing them at a board and writing them down in the order in which they stick.

Haven’t decided yet if it’s a case of intentional trolling or genuine naivety

380554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #843 of 2208 🔗

i see can’t win the debate with facts & logic so you start the personal ad-hom, sad.

379992 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #844 of 2208 🔗

Putting this into personal perspective, my wife and I will both potentially lose our careers as a result of even more draconian travel restrictions. It’s not simply a case of ‘middle class whinging’, this is serious for us.

Every one of these measures screws somebody in some way. This one just doesn’t affect you too much, so you’re alright with imposing it on others.

380014 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #845 of 2208 🔗

Then you have justified grievance, but for many its just privileged self indulgence.

But our species has been living unsustainably for decades, things like foreign holidays aren’t a right & the tenets of true libertarian values is no one owes you a living.

380031 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #846 of 2208 🔗

When did I say that anybody owed me a living? Without the government interference that you are advocating, the market would decide whether or not I earned a living in aviation.

It doesn’t seem very ‘libertarian’ for you to decide what you think is ‘unsustainable’ and advocate legislation to forcibly prevent people from doing those things.

Anyway, what does ‘sustainable travel’ have to to with a respiratory virus? Why are you using covid to push other agendas?

380089 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #847 of 2208 🔗

It doesn’t seem very ‘libertarian’ for you to decide what you think is ‘unsustainable’ and advocate legislation to forcibly prevent people from doing those things .”

It’s fundamentally unlibertarian.

Or you could say it’s “left libertarian”, which is the term usually used to describe leftists who like to claim to be libertarian without having understood its most basic principles.

380179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #848 of 2208 🔗

Your just talking bollocks now.

You don’t have libertarian values! You just think you should do what ever you want & no one should tell you what to do.

Its proper term is selfishness.

380222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #849 of 2208 🔗

I think you’ve just confirmed my point. You need to go back to first principles and decide whether you really want to be a libertarian or a collectivist/socialist.

What you are doing is trying to have your political cake and eat it as well. Fundamentally, libertarianism is the belief that coercion is only justified in defence against threats to basic rights (life, liberty, property). What you are trying to do is claim to believe in that while twisting it to make justifications for things you want to be able to force other people to do, for what you personally see as “the greater good”.

You would probably be more comfortable as a green socialist, tbh, unless you want to think things through more rigorously. Because forcing other people to conform to your personal, or a mob’s, ideas of “sustainable” living is fundamentally no different from locking down on the pretext of protecting lives, and advocating more coerced spending on collectivised healthcare, as you also were doing recently is likewise inherently inconsistent with any reasonably rational concept of libertarianism

380231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, -3, #850 of 2208 🔗

Straw man bullshit to shirk any personal responsibility.

I’m more comfortable not being labelled & defined by you, but living my life as i see fit as true libertarian should & i will thanks..

380237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, #851 of 2208 🔗

You can lead the horse to water….

380261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #852 of 2208 🔗

You should take your own path in life, no libertarian would be lead(sic) anywhere!

380211 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #853 of 2208 🔗

You think nothing is interlinked? Evrrything can be separated & pigeon holed?

The point is traveling from one end of the planet to another within a few hours packing infectious disease is unnatural & dangerous, its not a human right. This is one thing i don’t agree with sceptics.

380255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #854 of 2208 🔗

Infectious diseases did not appear here at the same time as the jet engine.

You don’t like international travel for reasons of ‘sustainability’. I think it would be better to be honest about that instead of cloaking it in the pretence of being concerned about ‘disease control’.

380276 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -2, #855 of 2208 🔗

Firstly don’t tell me what I like, I love flying, but its an unnatural act, that has consequences. You may justify your own conduct as you see fit, i disagree, but as a LIBERTARIAN wouldn’t dream of forcing you to do anythuing, doesn’t mean i think you’re right.

380291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #856 of 2208 🔗

Excellent, so you agree that if I return from abroad that I should not be locked in a hotel room for 10 days by law, and nor should anybody else? I’m glad we got there in the end.

380299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -2, #857 of 2208 🔗

so you agree


You should walk where ever you want to go. It’ll take you a lot longer than 10 days.

380306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, #858 of 2208 🔗

Ah yes of course, very sustainable too.

380354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #859 of 2208 🔗

Very safe too, if your sick you’ll collapse long before getting anywhere & your risk of catching anything in the open air significantly lower.

Look, in seriousness the point i’m making is being asked to quarantine yourself for ten days, is taking responsibility for your own actions.

Going on holiday isn’t a need or right. If you deny infectious respiratory disease exits is another anti science argument that’s not worth having.

If you believe you shouldn’t take responsibility for your actions thats not libertarian.

Consensus isn’t scientific fact, it doesn’t make your opinion right!

Attacking people with ad-hom personal insults isn’t a grown up debate method & doesn’t deserve respect.

380390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, #860 of 2208 🔗

I haven’t ‘attacked you’ with any insults.

Nobody is being asked to do anything, they are being forced by law.

I don’t think that it is up to you to decide what somebody else ‘needs’.

I don’t think that it is up to you to decide what somebody else’s responsibilities are.

Every one of these measures has costs in societal and economic terms. These must be weighed against any benefits.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue, otherwise we will go around in a circle all day.

380563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #861 of 2208 🔗

The logic defies reality, if you are being asked to quarantine, by definition you are travelling so you aren’t being prohibited from travelling!

Take a look in a mirror for some answers, to your other questions.

If you live above your means there will be disastrous consequences. re-read my comments at no point did I EVER insist you or anyone was banned from travelling you made that up in your head.

381504 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Anti_socialist, #862 of 2208 🔗

For a bad to moderate flu?

C’mon man, we didn’t give a fuck before because giving a fuck was and still is futile.

By all means don’t hug granny if you’re feeling under the weather, especially if you’ve been to Brazil or SA but for the love of all that’s holy, 10 days locked up and having to pay for the privilege?

Climate change is horseshit but I’ll concede we could probably cut back on the volume and frequency of flights whilst going to great lengths to improve emissions.

Do you think these charlatan crooks championing climate change green bollocks are going to surrender their jets and yachts?

Besides, I’ve been alive for almost 50 years and the weather hasn’t changed at all and I saw a fascinating video the other day debunking all the nonsense.

Hypocrisy and flu seems to be all the rage these days. Shame about freedom and tourism though, I used to like them.

380542 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #863 of 2208 🔗

Same here. The sector I work in is already on its knees, more of this, we might as well call it quits.

380003 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #864 of 2208 🔗

My main complaint about not being able to go on foreign holidays is that the places I like to go in the UK will be full this summer with dickheads who ought to be somewhere else.

380015 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #865 of 2208 🔗

That’s why i voted brexit.

380068 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #866 of 2208 🔗

for a few months

You’re deluded if you think that’s all it amounts to. Don’t you realize that once these restrictions are in place they won’t be lifted so long as there are scary “new variants” going around anywhere in the world, which means forever?

380193 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mattghg, #867 of 2208 🔗

I do & you could be right. But those are different issues than a fortnight in Benidorm getting pissed.

380386 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, #868 of 2208 🔗

Because the only holidays people take are to Benidorm.

I’ve never been to Benidorm and I am teetotal. As I live on an island off the coast of Europe, are you suggesting that I never be allowed leave that island?

380409 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ewan Duffy, #869 of 2208 🔗

WOW can I commend you on your astute debating skills! (sarc)

That’s right everyone doesn’t go to Benidorm. What i’m suggesting is you take responsibility for your actions! If you’re a good swimmer by all means do go where the mood takes you. Just please don’t travel cattle class.

380126 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #870 of 2208 🔗

Despite my libertarian nature I have to say i’m becoming increasingly intolerant …”

A contradiction in terms. Resentment and simplistic class-based generalisations aren’t ‘libertarian’.

380182 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #871 of 2208 🔗


379963 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 12, #872 of 2208 🔗

Swedish news was interesting, especially the last part about the numbers no longer being distributed. Funny that….any good news is suppressed in Sweden as well, so its not just our Government then !!!
Cannot wait to see how much our glorious leaders have spent with the media on TV, Radio, Paper adverts to feed project fear. Tens of millions, hundreds, maybe a billion?
Is it any wonder that the Media want to keep the Covid story going month after month. Keep the fear going, keep their noses in the Government trough.
6.6 million vaccinated….a high % of those really at risk, but we now keep looking for more restrictions to ruin the country, ruin the children’s education and to make hundreds and hundreds of thousands more people live on benefits as no jobs.
The Government are useless, beyond a joke (and I voted for them), the opposition even worse, whatever the buffoon does the other side want more of it.
Truly hopeless, but as long as we all stay at home and have NO LIFE we will be safe. Great news, stay home, be miserable, have no life.

379969 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John Ballard, 10, #873 of 2208 🔗

The government must be the biggest ad spenders across all media now.

380244 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #874 of 2208 🔗

Good afternoon Jo

If last Spring is anything to go on (and I have no reason to doubt that they have slowed the propaganda – every 30mins on my Spotify account I get some Government garbage!) then the image below might be helpful.

Kindest regards


380349 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SimonCook, #875 of 2208 🔗

Brilliant, thanks for that Simon.

380965 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to SimonCook, #876 of 2208 🔗

Just wondering about that total. And what happened to number 8?

379972 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to John Ballard, 14, #877 of 2208 🔗

Or we can resist. Look at the roads – they are as almost as busy as normal. Look at that infamous photo yesterday of hundreds of sledgers and the one solitary sad piggy van, people are voting with their feet and cars.

379989 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to nickbowes, 5, #878 of 2208 🔗

Yes, there are vastly more people out and about now than there were last spring.

380251 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to nickbowes, 2, #879 of 2208 🔗

Exactly Nick.

I posted a photo of plenty of families/children sledging in Sonning-on-Thames on Sunday. The main park was also full of snowmen and people milling around, walking dogs, playing in the snow etc…

This is one of the richest/poshest villages in Berkshire (good enough for George Clooney!) – I think that speaks volumes.

379968 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 19, #880 of 2208 🔗

Walking the dog just now and saw a plasterer I know but haven’t seen in ages (went to school with him) coming out of a house down the street. He’s a bit of a hard nut though always very friendly to me. Working in just his MAGA T-shirt and shorts in this weather 🙂

Suffice to say he’s not a lockdown nut! I know a lot of blokes in the trades and as far as I can tell none of them have stopped working at any point. There must be hundreds of thousands of people working in private houses every single day. I’d guess there are three or four on any given day just in my road.

380037 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #881 of 2208 🔗

I’ve done repair work in 7 properties in the last two weeks, only one householder mentioned Covid. Totally normal in the other six.

380111 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #882 of 2208 🔗

I know plenty of houses within a minute walk of me which currently have builders in, total re-development.

380120 ▶▶ davews, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #883 of 2208 🔗

A couple outside sorting my roof out at this very moment.

380131 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #884 of 2208 🔗

Totally renovating my loft at the moment, 6 different trades people over the last two weeks and none of them care about lockdown or muzzles. The only facemask I’ve seen is when they were tearing down the ceiling and they were protecting themselves from the dust!

380547 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Starlin, #885 of 2208 🔗

I walk past a house that’s being renovated and the builders are simply getting on with it. No masks or social distancing for them either.

379974 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 18, #886 of 2208 🔗

I read this yesterday, it’s very apt.

“Restrictions are a mechanism of control and nothing to do with health.
I can walk around Tesco with 200 strangers, but can’t have a coffee with my mates.

Hardly surprising many people are scratching their head.
Politicians lie for fun yet their crazy ideas are implemented anyway.”

& the sheep can’t see this.

379980 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #887 of 2208 🔗

and elite professional sport continues?…but the plebs arent allowed to watch it?……….

380007 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #888 of 2208 🔗

I’m still unsure about ‘sheep’ . Are there really that many? Among all my friends I only know two that even partly support the lockdowns, and I don’t know any that are sticking to all the rules. Could they be largely a consequence of propaganda that exaggerates the level of compliance? Or is it different in different parts of the country?

380022 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #889 of 2208 🔗

Most certainly exaggerated propaganda ..

380027 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #890 of 2208 🔗

I think the majority of the very worst zealots/sheep are in the management of every kind of organisation in our society. This is why they are so dangerous, because their influence is all-pervasive despite relatively low numbers.

We desperately need huge pushback here. Those still in employment (of which I am one) need to be prepared to walk away from their jobs in vast numbers to stop these mother fuckers destroying everything. I am making preparations for doing exactly that.

380951 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard O, 1, #891 of 2208 🔗

Many of these petty Hitlers may well be common purpose plants.

380059 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #892 of 2208 🔗

Don’t believe the polls.

If the polls showed waning support for covid measures, do you really think they would allow the figures to be published.

380183 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to rockoman, 3, #893 of 2208 🔗

Would Johnson be appearing on TV every five minutes?

380073 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #894 of 2208 🔗

Lockdowns do not have as much support as they appear to have. The media is completely divorced from the real world, as it was during Brexit, as it was for Trump, as it failed to cover the extent of protests and feeling in Italy, Spain, France…. The perception of majority support for lockdowns is being carefully managed in the media.

In the real world, mental health, physical health, relationships, businesses, communities are all breaking down. What is being done to us is abusive and harmful in the extreme, and people cannnot ignore the effects, regardless of their beliefs. Unfortunately, it takes pain to wake people up from sleepy convenience, but that is where we are now.

380107 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #895 of 2208 🔗

I think two different things are happening :

  1. In practice, people are bending ‘the rules’.
  2. In their heads, they still have a framework where the rules are a ‘good thing’.

The two don’t come into conflict.

379975 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 57, #896 of 2208 🔗

Just been served with a Prohibition Notice. And another odd moment last week which has just made sense. A woman we have never seen before orders a drink which, when made, she collected from the shop door. At the same time, the head Council Goon is seen by me taking lots of photos of our shop (I posted about this last Wednesday). She didn’t seem to mind being in the photos (if I was a woman sat on my own with a bloke taking photos, I might object, but she didn’t). This ‘customer’ has been cited as evidence of our continued breaking of the rules. I think now, as I thought at the time, that she is perhaps a ‘plant’.

We fight on …

379983 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 20, #897 of 2208 🔗

You are a true warrior

379985 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 30, #898 of 2208 🔗

How low have we sunk that the simple act of operating a local cafe is subjected to continual state harassment and intimidation.

I can’t help but think that your presence on here is connected.

379990 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 12, #899 of 2208 🔗

Do you have legal advice or representation to deal with the Order? And do you need any assistance atm?

380001 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, 22, #900 of 2208 🔗

Yes, please post any need for financial assistance; I will help, and I’m sure others will, too.

380017 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to RichardJames, 12, #901 of 2208 🔗

Yep count me in..

379995 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 11, #902 of 2208 🔗

I’ve said it so many times now, you’re a hero KH.

379997 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 13, #903 of 2208 🔗

Definitely need to check that you are obeying all the laws (not guidance) then carry on. I think they are bluffing; it would be better to spend some money on a legal opinion rather than pay any FPN.

380012 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 7, #904 of 2208 🔗

What exactrly are you supposed to have done wrong? I thought drinks /food could be taken away and not just from a hatch .

380036 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 6, #905 of 2208 🔗

We’ve just been kind, that’s all. It’s pure semantics, because the end result is exactly the same.

380051 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #906 of 2208 🔗

Thanks for your kind words everyone. These people just do not give up, Head Council Goon doing his rounds of the park just to check there are no little old ladies sneaking a cup of tea. I hope they are proud.

380069 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #907 of 2208 🔗

Sorry, replying to myself, but I like this comment about the benches:

And a lovely bloke just came in to say he agrees with our boards and that he feels totally outnumbered in this town. So do we, especially after seeing the horrible comments about the ‘Great Reopening’ sign we posted earlier.

380075 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, #908 of 2208 🔗

What are they claiming you’ve done wrong?

380123 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 12, #909 of 2208 🔗

They’re not specifying anything, it’s all quite vague. We provide food and drink which people consume on the benches in the park beyond our premises.

We believe their argument is that we should not be delivering this ourselves. As I said above, we are just being kind, especially to our elderly customers and we give the drinks/food to the customer – the end result is the same, the authorities are just employing semantics so it’s got absolutely nothing to do with Public Health, it’s just about control.

380180 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 5, #910 of 2208 🔗

Covid zealots. I go walking most days and while the cafe is closed the coffee vans are there and people get their coffee and sit on the public benches. Can’t see they would get far with any legal action at all.

380216 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 5, #911 of 2208 🔗

Yikes. I’m so sorry. This fits exactly with Lord Sumption’s description of what a police state looks like.

380446 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to kh1485, 3, #912 of 2208 🔗

I find all this banning of people drinking fluids very odd…we can only for about 3 days without it. There is nothing much more essential to life than hydration. Why are people exercising outdoors not allowed to quench their thirst anymore? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I guess the only other thing more essential is Oxygen and they’ve managed to legislate breathing…

380086 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to kh1485, 9, #913 of 2208 🔗

Sounds like the bastards have stitched you up good and proper. Per our conversation yesterday, it’s pretty bloody obvious that this is an authoritarian dictatorship now. Anyone not recognising that is either part of the problem or beyond salvation.

380233 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 5, #914 of 2208 🔗

kh, when this is all over and we have won our freedom back they are going to make a movie about you, a sort of cross between ‘Allo Allo’ and ‘Carve her name with pride’.

380517 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Old Bill, #915 of 2208 🔗

Was thinking more Erin Brockovich myself (joke … and am sending myself up!)

381510 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to kh1485, #916 of 2208 🔗

Better that than Saving Grace. Mind you I think there’s a few MPs in the weed business.

380558 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #917 of 2208 🔗

Good luck and KBO!!!

380828 ▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 1, #918 of 2208 🔗

Keep on doing what you are doing KH. Get a copy of the picture and if you can identify her(she will work for them) you haver been set up. If you know where they operate from or what ever have someone you know follow them discretely if you can and picture them together. With that you can challenge their ‘ticket’

379988 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 1, #919 of 2208 🔗

I find this 17min video by a Mark Moss to be a good introduction to the Great Reset Initiative for those who are either unaware of it or would like to understand it better:


He talks about the Bitcoin being the best way to safeguard ourselves financially against the global government’s intention to remove all private ownership. Does anyone here use Bitcoin, and if so, do you recommend it? If you do not recommend it, do you have other suggestions?

380006 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to J4mes, 4, #920 of 2208 🔗

Gold coins and bullion then hide it under your bed.

380035 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nickbowes, 4, #921 of 2208 🔗

Hide it under a tree, but there are no guarantees in life not even your bank account is safe

380101 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #922 of 2208 🔗

Especially not your bank account. Remember when Cypriot authorites gave themselves a bailout by reaching into the savings of their citizens? Shortly after that legislation was passed in the UK to allow exactly the same thing.

Besides, if you read banking regulations carefully, you’ll discover that when you give your money to the bank, it becomes their money.

380165 ▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #923 of 2208 🔗

….or your tree

380020 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to J4mes, 4, #924 of 2208 🔗

Agree with Nick.

If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

From the Sarajevo experience, TP, vodka, chocolate, and ciggies are useful barter items.

380034 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to awildgoose, 2, #925 of 2208 🔗

Yes, thanks to Nick and yourself for the feedback. Unfortunately, I don’t have the kind of disposable income to buy gold and bullion, and I think it’s going to get harder to buy it while the government continue to turn the financial screw of hardship. I like the idea of stockpiling bartering items…

380049 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to J4mes, 3, #926 of 2208 🔗

Whilst nothing is guaranteed – gold possibly could still get more expensive.

Presently a single one ounce gold kruggerand or sovereign would cost around £1,800/1,900.

This is a lot, but it is something you own and the b**tards cannot get their mits on it if it goes even more pear shaped..

380060 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nickbowes, 3, #927 of 2208 🔗

I’d start buying gold in 1/4 and 1/10 ounce coins.

1 ounce silver is also handy to have around.

380064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to nickbowes, 4, #928 of 2208 🔗

Or buy silver coins, easier to exchange a few then one expensive gold coin.

380104 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to nickbowes, 1, #929 of 2208 🔗

Hatton Garden metals. have Krugerrands for £1,400

380113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Ossettian, #930 of 2208 🔗

Must have gone down- might be worth a punt at that price

380130 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nickbowes, 3, #931 of 2208 🔗

Don’t know about krugers, but a sovereign would set you back around £330 at the moment. Half-sovereigns £160. And of course there’s silver too.

(You can buy a double sovereign for £666. 🙂 🙂

380144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JohnB, 2, #932 of 2208 🔗

Britannia s i m thinking of ! not sovereigns which seem excellent value. Brits are similar prices to Krugerands

380465 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nickbowes, #933 of 2208 🔗

Roosevelt expedited a mass-confiscation of privately-held gold in 1933.

380052 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to J4mes, 5, #934 of 2208 🔗

What happens to Bitcoin when they drop the Internet?

Or the power grid?

380082 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to awildgoose, 3, #935 of 2208 🔗

That is my fear. Do you really think these serpents will allow unfettered internet use in the future ? same for cars unfortunately

380093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nickbowes, 4, #936 of 2208 🔗

Germany is already discussing power rationing thanks to their pitiful, unstable new green grid.

Germany, ffs!

380028 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to DanClarke, 2, #938 of 2208 🔗

This looks like a good article, many thanks.

380152 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 2, #939 of 2208 🔗

I am sure that this Bitcoin option is very attractive BUT if one doesn’t understand ‘how it works’, take extra care

380033 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to J4mes, 1, #940 of 2208 🔗

Make of it what you will but some big names are getting into Bitcoin now, a lot of people struggle to grasp it.

380046 ▶▶ John P, replying to J4mes, 7, #941 of 2208 🔗

“He talks about the Bitcoin being the best way to safeguard ourselves financially against the global government’s intention to remove all private ownership.”

Look. I’ve seen the video. I think the notion that “they” (always loosely defined) are going to remove all private ownership is the most stupid and ridiculous idea that has come from the WEF. And I don’t think it’s ever going to happen.

Now. For the great reset zealots on here. I know what paranoid delusions are. I’ve had them. And I believe that many of your fears (as with covid) are unfounded. That is not to say that the activities of the WEF should be ignored. It is clearly influential.

But I do not think that much of what they suggest can or will happen.

I am far more worried about Johnson’s “green” initiatives, and especially the electric windmills which I fear may blight our countryside. Cheek-by-jowl as they will be by Big Builder’s grandiose housing schemes that Johnson is hoping to fill with immigrants from Hong Kong.

But maybe my fears are unfounded too. I don’t know it all. But neither, dear GR zealot do you!

380053 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to John P, 3, #942 of 2208 🔗

You’re free to your own interpretation of what is happening John, I won’t call you a zealot for it either.

380057 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 3, #943 of 2208 🔗

The near complete elimination of fossil fuels is fraught with real threats to the power grid. Germany has been having terrible problems in recent days due to their over-reliance on wind energy.

380098 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 7, #944 of 2208 🔗

You talk sense, however, never underestimate the enemy, i’ve been seeing agenda 21, 5g surveillance, WEF plans, new world order, one world governance, censorship of basic free speech etc etc being thrown around in alarmist fashion for years by “ conspiracy theorists ” & thought little of it.

I was once even a believer in the “ climate change ” scientism.

But its all slowly happening in front of our eyes, the “ conspiracy theories ” are turning into conspiracy facts, & “ climate change ” is turning out to be a conspiracy to grab power!

There comes a time you have to shake yourself out of denial.

380110 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #945 of 2208 🔗

who is the most honest – David Icke or the British government?. Icke has been proved right time after time. Sh*t now those aliens, oh yes.. Mr Clarke and “Childhood`s End”.

380167 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nickbowes, 2, #946 of 2208 🔗

Same with Alex Jones here in the US.

In the ’90s he was talking about things that came to pass in 2020.

380156 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #947 of 2208 🔗

John tells me I am delusional, which implies my fears are irrational and not really happening. Much of what concerns John are targets set out by the WEF to be fully implemented by 2030.

Regardless of who is correct, my motto is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I think the tyranny we’ve lived through for almost a year, which gets worse each step of the way and continues to look more and more like the Great Reset, vindicates my position.

380138 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to J4mes, 1, #948 of 2208 🔗

I have some. For this reason and will be adding to it. Essentially 2 ways. One is through an exchange eg coinbase Pro and another is a hardware wallet I use trezor. Essentially the latter one is untouchable by anyone but requires a bit of understanding the security. I would advise buying slowly so as to learn.

380140 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 2, #949 of 2208 🔗

Exchanges may get regulated, occasionally get hacked but…

380029 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 17, #950 of 2208 🔗

Watching Parliament is amazing, how blase they all are about the state of the country and what they’ve done to people’s lives. They must never think this is going to come back and bite them, never think about inquiries.

380032 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 10, #951 of 2208 🔗

They’re all still getting paid (extra) & going out more than once a day.

380042 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 18, #952 of 2208 🔗

The sole purpose of Parliament is now to torment us with the illusion that we still live in a representative democracy. As many on here are fully aware, this ceased to exist on 23rd March 2020, and is never coming back (at least not in any form that is recognisable from its past incarnation).

380071 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 5, #953 of 2208 🔗

Only point i disagree with, is it died long before that.

380076 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #954 of 2208 🔗

Agreed, 23rd March 2020 represents the last rites. It was on life support for decades before this.

380112 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, 2, #955 of 2208 🔗

Democracy died when they ignored the referendum result. Freedom was taken out and shot on 23/3/20. Humanity desperately clings on in the few gathered here.

380047 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to DanClarke, 16, #956 of 2208 🔗

This will never come back and bite them , their will be no enquiries, no bad reports, no Panorama programs…Just Knighthoods for all the scummbags and statues to the NHS and the people who have saved us..If I’m wrong, I will ear my suit live on the internet. But I’m afraid I’m right..We are fucked, just wait until they change the law and make vaccines mandatory for everyone…I give it 6 months top.

380132 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Thomas_E, #957 of 2208 🔗

I’ll have to go under the radar, somehow!!

380044 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 7, #958 of 2208 🔗

Chicom propaganda attempting to troll the West into collecting swabs from the bum:


Xi’s just having a laugh now.

380091 ▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, 9, #959 of 2208 🔗

Actually, I’m getting more sympathetic to the Chinese.

Who could resist the entertainment of winding up dim western politicians with more and more ridiculous fables? A bit like shooting fish in a barrel. 🙂

380154 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 2, #960 of 2208 🔗

Oh, I think the CCP pays well too.

380055 Fingerache Philip, 19, #961 of 2208 🔗

Some pratt on BBC Midlands news lecturing people to “stop bending the rules” and he actually said that going out to work if you’ve “tested positive “? to earn money is wrong!!!!
He was “working from home” no doubt on full pay.

380062 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #962 of 2208 🔗

I’ve been wondering for some time now, do lockdowns actually increase infection rates?

My hypothesis is we as a species have become creatures of habit & that forcing lockdown disrupts our natural daily routine & increases our normal social interactions with people we don’t usually come into contact with.

Normally we keep to the same routes, same bubble of people at work & at play. Go to the same places & generally meet the same people.

Lockdown forces a complete demolition of our normal routine forcing us to mix with strangers in shops, parks & even our own street & home, we spend more Intimate time with our closest loved ones increasing the possibility of cross infection.

380083 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #963 of 2208 🔗

I think a lot have had that thought – although it is difficult to establish firmly.

The commonest rationale, however, is a bit different from your hypothesis, and suggests that, quite simply, artificial quarantine weakens the normal operation of the immune system by decreasing exposure to pathogens (as well as not being very effective for its supposed purpose – a double bind).

It’s parallel to the argument that increased allergic reactions in children come partly from a paranoid fear of everyday pathogens and an over-concern with sterilised environments.

380094 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to RickH, 5, #964 of 2208 🔗

Add to that the well studied and established harms stress, anxiety and loneliness has on the immune system

380145 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 6, #965 of 2208 🔗

This is my fear if we do actually get back to “normal” for next winter (or some winter in the future). We will be sitting ducks for the next even slightly novel virus or variant of virus because so many people will have missed out on exposure for so long. So the NHS will be under even more pressure, requiring more lockdowns, and so on forever.

380142 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #966 of 2208 🔗

Lockdowns prevent those at least risk from the virus from becoming immune and creating a firewall to the vulnerable. Lockdowns attempt to minimise mobility thereby making the spread at a similar rate through young and old. Normal behaviour is a bit like the Great Barrington Declaration – young people are out and about – the old not so much. Lockdown is a reverse GBD – the opposite of what you want

380072 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 25, #967 of 2208 🔗


380088 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #968 of 2208 🔗

The mad scientist who stole poor ‘Flu’ has decided he likes him so much that he decided to hold on to him.

When he takes him for walks however, he always adresses him as ‘covid-19’. He doesn’t want anybody to think he is the stolen dog.

380118 ▶▶ mj, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #969 of 2208 🔗

competition word game .
Change corgi into covid in 5 moves

_ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _

380160 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mj, 8, #970 of 2208 🔗

Quite tricky so going to take the piss instead for now lol


380163 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #971 of 2208 🔗

better answer than i had (which was none!!)

380218 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to mj, 9, #972 of 2208 🔗


380208 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #973 of 2208 🔗

Poor little flu has been taken to the vets and implanted with a completely different id chip – just like a lot of octogenarians.

380079 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 8, #974 of 2208 🔗

As if my bloody day couldn’t get any worse, another presser today at 5 …. (sorry to be the bearer of bad news).

380095 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 14, #975 of 2208 🔗

“Far be it from me to stop a man of Britain having a take away cup of coffee, it is with a heavy heart that I insist that a coffeshop in Essex be close with immediate effect. Emerging data have found that a previously undiscovered strain of the Coronavirus has been detected on £20 notes in a food outlet.”


380096 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to kh1485, 4, #976 of 2208 🔗

no thanks, clashes with pawn stars or something

380102 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 7, #977 of 2208 🔗

That’ll be the borders closing and “quarantine hotels”, then. The final immolation of the tourism industry, except for a few specially selected large hotel chains

380122 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to mattghg, 3, #978 of 2208 🔗

The tourist industry is dead and will never recover..Well maybe when they force vaccines passports on everybody.

380146 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mattghg, 4, #979 of 2208 🔗

That’s right.

The govs will subsidise a few select, crappy venues for the technocrat servant class that are still, “lucky,” enough to travel.

380103 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 10, #980 of 2208 🔗

Is anyone still watching these? Even bedwetters I know have switched off.

380105 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 13, #981 of 2208 🔗

Bozo, Whitty and Stevens. Is this our notice that we will all by dead by March? Can’t think what else they could possibly have to say today.

380116 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #982 of 2208 🔗

Hopefully they’re all going to commit suicide live on TV. Fingers crossed!

380148 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #983 of 2208 🔗

They should mask up with good, strong plastic bags and duct tape, as an example for us all!

380108 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 12, #984 of 2208 🔗

This is like Stalin’s radio announcements in the 50s..only without any good new..and they could go out anytime they wanted …and the markets were open…and..Oh fuck ,i just realized it was better under Stalinism that it is living in the UK in 2021..I’m going to find a tree

380115 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 11, #985 of 2208 🔗

Switch it off. Ignore them. Save your sanity.

380136 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #986 of 2208 🔗

I intend to, in as much as I can right now. But the bastards have it in for me!

380173 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 3, #987 of 2208 🔗
380119 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 8, #988 of 2208 🔗

Oh god, what NOW?!!

Actually I think I know. It will either be schools (simply cannot open after half term because NHS) or the quarantine camps.

Or vaccines. They don’t work any more, you see. Back to square one.

380149 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to kh1485, 4, #989 of 2208 🔗

Never interrupt your enemy while he’s jumping the shark.

380151 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to kh1485, 5, #990 of 2208 🔗

Abuser coming home at 5, best hide.

380187 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 2, #991 of 2208 🔗

I asked Ladbrokes what odds I could have on the message today being

“Sorry folks its all been a mistake, go back to the old normal”

1000/1 I was quoted.

380219 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Old Bill, 1, #992 of 2208 🔗

Is that all?

380092 eastender53, 2, #993 of 2208 🔗

Sorry if this has been posted before. Moderna/Pfizer coming clean.


380097 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #994 of 2208 🔗

Too much masks might be a bad thing as this fungus outbreak in Florida shows


“C. auris is associated with up to 40 percent in-hospital mortality and is usually caught inside healthcare settings, especially when people have feeding or breathing tubes, or catheters placed in large veins.
It causes bloodstream, wound and ear infections and has also been found in urine and respiratory samples, but it’s not clear if the fungus actually infects the lung or bladder.
The recent outbreak began in July when a hospital — which the report did not name — notified the Florida Department of Health of an initial four cases of the fungus among patients being treated for the coronavirus.”

 “It added that hospital staff, possibly out of fear of the coronavirus, were wearing multiple layers of personal protective equipment (PPE), which is not recommended and in fact heightens the risk of microbe transmission.

380106 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #996 of 2208 🔗
380117 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 14, #997 of 2208 🔗

Our lovely children are open and honest and they tell us about their lives and activities,” she said.

And then they punish them. Sick is the word that comes to mind.

380166 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Portnadler, 8, #998 of 2208 🔗

I have no words for these people, my respect has sunk so low, aswith the police force and those health staff thatstay silent and perpetuate the propaganda to the detriment of general public health.
I resigned from a governors post a few months back, as I only see my concerns were falling on deaf ears, I was actually receiving much negativity from the teachers, so decided I wanted no part in what I could see would be ruinous and cruel government policies on the welfare of children.

380458 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Portnadler, #999 of 2208 🔗

She sounds like Lavrenty Beria. Brutality and sentimentality are so often two sides of the same coin.

380524 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1000 of 2208 🔗

Hopefully with the same end.

380125 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1001 of 2208 🔗

Cowards, as far as the eye can see. It’s disgusting.

380134 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 17, #1002 of 2208 🔗

Hahahhaa…..we now live in complete fascism and I can bet 95% of the sheeple think this is probably not harsh enough. The whole families will now suffer, children, grandparents , fucking pets if you do not OBEY EVERYTHING the government says! Should we write to our MPS’s some more? Oh I forgot, the do not give a shit about us as there will probably never ever be a free election again…We walked into it with bowed heads, now we are in it and there is no way out. Peaceful protests will not be enough, lets follow the French and the Dutch and star fucking braking some skulls.

380457 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1003 of 2208 🔗

East German teachers used to question children about what their parents were getting up to.

380121 Suey, replying to Suey, 7, #1004 of 2208 🔗

Goodness me! Left Lockdown Sceptics sticking up for our Tobes. Whatever next!

380135 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Suey, 4, #1005 of 2208 🔗

Your comment is more a reflection of your own limiting prejudice than theirs.

380174 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Suey, 2, #1006 of 2208 🔗

More interesting is the article on Deaths within 28 days of covid vaccination

380129 John P, replying to John P, -6, #1007 of 2208 🔗

Covid Zealot = person who obsesses over the dangers posed by Covid-19.

Great Reset Zealot = person who obsesses over the dangers posed by the WEF Great Reset.

In my opinion (note: it’s just my opinion!) the two groups share much in common.

Rather than adopting a cool-headed and rational approach to these matters the two groups obsess over them, regarding covid/the great reset as existential threats. In both cases groupthink is involved, with influential media figures (eg, Piers Morgan the “king” of the covid zealots and James Delingpole the “king” of the great reset zealots) largely directing the fear and paranoia based narratives.

(I still like Delingpole and detest Morgan, btw.)

One of the characteristics of neurotic obsession is the open hostility to criticism.

Zealots are never cool headed – they are crusaders for right and for justice. Their shared motto is “It’s a war out there!” Covid/the great reset must be defeated. Zero covid. Zero great reset.

There’s no middle ground in zealotry. And zealots lack self-awareness. Instead they consider themselves always right. (No-one is always right about everything. Yes, I include myself in that!) Always right and always just.

With both Covid and the WEF I think it’s a case of “treat with caution”. Covid and the WEF great reset are issues of our time. They need to be watched and engaged with.

But I don’t think allowing fear and paranoia to dominate your thinking over either of these issues is helpful or useful.

380141 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 9, #1008 of 2208 🔗

Ad hominem, attacking the source. Disregarded.

Why do think the WEF Great Reset hypothesis is not probable?

380161 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 3, #1009 of 2208 🔗

I agree with a lot of what you say John, politicians have always had grandiose ideas, want to make their mark, which appears to be true of a lot of the old men championing this, who think they can leave a lasting memory other than their absolute greed. I think a lot of what they talk about when it comes to reality will burn out, and the workable will prevail.

380172 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to John P, 5, #1010 of 2208 🔗

I think the greatest source of our troubles are our fellow citizens, at an individual level. We are finding out the hard way that shifts into authoritarianism are primarily driven from the bottom up, not the top down. Authorities can issue orders all day, every day. If no one pays any attention to them, they have no power whatsoever.

380572 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, #1011 of 2208 🔗

This is exactly right. I was listening to a Tom Woods podcast a few weeks ago about the Great Reset and he said he could only wish that a handful of sociopaths was responsible for what we’re living through. If that were the case, it/they would be easier to contain. But it’s our fellow citizens who are the bigger problem and they are a much more difficult nut to crack. Mass non-compliance is the only way out. Restaurants in California started ignoring the orders and in Carlsbad, CA businesses started ignoring them en masse. Well now we’re seeing Newsom relaxing the lockdown. Sure, it’s partly political now that Joe Biden is president, but it’s very much because more and more people and business are simply not complying. Similarly with Italy and Poland. There aren’t enough police and prison cells to manage mass non-compliance.

380184 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John P, 2, #1012 of 2208 🔗

What do you think of Russell Brand? You might want to watch his latest monologue, I think you may find that you have some common views on this subject.

380198 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 5, #1013 of 2208 🔗

Possibly – though the key difference is that “Great Reset Zealots” are not trying to destroy our lives

380507 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to John P, #1014 of 2208 🔗

Trouble is, if there is no original source or data to back things up, it’s just a theory. Great Reset is certainly and agenda, but the nonsense stuffed into it by theorists has nothing to support it. This is what loses us our credibility, which is why I have nothing to do with it.

380139 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 14, #1015 of 2208 🔗

Boris to appear on TV again tonight. Shows he is afraid of losing control of the situation.

380150 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bugle, 6, #1016 of 2208 🔗

I wish I could go out. can’t even get the car off the drive because of the ice

380199 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bugle, 10, #1017 of 2208 🔗

He was never in control and he is not control! He is stupid enough to listen to SAGE and spineless enough to be scared to take any decision. He never asked for a cost-benefit analysis (I am not sure he will be able to understand it) and he never cared about the education or the economy.

380667 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, #1018 of 2208 🔗

It’s getting to the stage where it’s more newsworthy to announce that that fat ____ is NOT going to appear on the air.

380159 Silke David, 4, #1019 of 2208 🔗

I must be bored, I just listened to Merkel’s “Davos” speech.
Nothing to report except a lot of hot air.

380169 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #1020 of 2208 🔗

I’m watching dystopian films each night (call it background research)

Children of Men
Handmaids Tale
V for Vendetta

any other suggestions?

380178 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 5, #1021 of 2208 🔗

Gattaca, Equilibrium, Clockwork Orange, Brazil, Minority Report, They Live, Blade Runner

380195 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1022 of 2208 🔗

thanks – never heard of either before – on the list!

380201 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 1, #1023 of 2208 🔗

Added a few more. Enjoy 🙂

380206 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1024 of 2208 🔗

I will try and watch one a night until the schools go back

380181 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to steve_w, 1, #1025 of 2208 🔗

Logan`s Run

380188 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to steve_w, 7, #1026 of 2208 🔗

10 o clock new..it’s more scary than any of the movies above..Btw Equilibrium is great movie, Logan’s Run., 1984 (Richard Burton version), Dark City, Running Man

380196 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1027 of 2208 🔗

Oooh, Dark City, good call

380189 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to steve_w, 3, #1028 of 2208 🔗

Escape From New York

380190 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 3, #1029 of 2208 🔗

One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

380191 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 4, #1030 of 2208 🔗

Demolition Man
Logan’s Run
Soylent Green
Minority Report
Brave New World
Clockwork Orange
Truman Show
Running Man
Blade Runner
Planet of the Apes

380192 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 2, #1031 of 2208 🔗

There’s a 1980 version of Brave New World on youtube that’s worth a watch. Long old film though.

380202 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1032 of 2208 🔗

thanks in advance! – I’ll put together a final unique list from any suggestions

380212 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to steve_w, 4, #1033 of 2208 🔗

now here is a film that should be still free on youtube- Rik Mayall`s “one by one” its like he knew something .. died v shortly after making it too.

380229 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 3, #1034 of 2208 🔗

Fahrenheit 451

380242 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 1, #1035 of 2208 🔗

The Hunger Games
(The real classics have already been mentioned by other people)

380249 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to steve_w, 2, #1036 of 2208 🔗


380281 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to this is my username, 1, #1037 of 2208 🔗

Great film..very topical unfortunately

380292 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1038 of 2208 🔗

Yes, far too much so

380256 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to steve_w, #1039 of 2208 🔗

It’s not a film, but can highly recommend reading a book called ‘Half past Human’ by T. J. Bass. Even better predictor of the current situation than 1984, in my opinion.

380257 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, 2, #1040 of 2208 🔗

On Mark Kermode’s secrets of cinema (Cult movies) last night on BBC 4, there was enough dystopian films to last a lifetime or a deadtime for that matter.

380269 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1041 of 2208 🔗

thanks, I will take a look!

380716 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, #1042 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think you will be disappointed.

380265 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 3, #1043 of 2208 🔗

They’re all good, as are the others suggested below. I would say that the PD James novel, The Children of Men , is much better than the film, which is only loosely based upon the novel.

Demolition Man is priceless! Yes, it’s dystopian, but is good fun. I won’t spoil the ending.

Starship Troopers is also quite dystopian but quite entertaining.

The Canadian TV series Continuum is eerily similar to the present day.

380355 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1044 of 2208 🔗

The film of 1984 with John Hurt, and Burton as O’Brien, is excellent.

380268 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 1, #1045 of 2208 🔗

District13, Looper, Ender’s Game, Mortal Engines.

380273 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1046 of 2208 🔗

And of course Idiocracy !

380289 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to steve_w, #1047 of 2208 🔗

Porridge – The Movie (1979)

380298 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to steve_w, 1, #1048 of 2208 🔗

Utopia. A series, not a film.

380452 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to thinkaboutit, #1049 of 2208 🔗

The original Channel 4 series by Dennis Kelly, not the recent American remake.
Where is Jessica Hyde?

380393 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to steve_w, #1050 of 2208 🔗

On the buses. Scariest film ever made.

380406 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to concrete68, #1051 of 2208 🔗

Digby the worlds biggest dog .

380403 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to steve_w, 1, #1052 of 2208 🔗

The Channel 4 series ” Utopia ” from 2013 is closest to where we are right now I reckon , even right down to everyone being terrified of the ” Russian Flu ”
Not sure if we have any MK Ultra assassins roving about the countryside right now though 😉

380411 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to steve_w, 1, #1053 of 2208 🔗


380470 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1054 of 2208 🔗


Remember Milo Minderbinder – bombing his own side in order to fulfil the demands of the profit motive?

380555 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to steve_w, 1, #1055 of 2208 🔗

The Road (2009) — my husband’s suggestion. He says the book is terrible and the movie is scary bad in terms of how it represents the world in the book. One of his “favourite” dystopian movies is Sunshine (2007). He used to be quite the fan of dystopian books and movies, but they’re now unwatchable to him as they are too reminiscent of what we’re living through.

380654 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, 1, #1056 of 2208 🔗
  • It Happened Here
  • The Death of Grass ( also titled No Blade of Grass)
  • The Day of the Triffids
  • 28 Days Later
  • 28 Weeks Later
  • On the Beach
  • The Midwich Cuckoos
  • The Earth Dies Screaming
  • 12 Monkeys
  • Brazil
  • 1984
380170 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 26, #1057 of 2208 🔗

Just a quick insight into the local government. My wife is quite high up in ne of the London councils and the front line staff (social workers, family outrech0 have been give a chance for a vaccine. Luckily in my wife’s team of 16 only 3 people said they would want one(my wife included) so they brought in NHS vaccine hesitancy nurses to explain this to the plebs in better terms. So one of the main arguments that they have been told is that when the vaccine passports come ( now IF mind you ..WHEN) they will not be able to travel. When my wife asked why are they saying this as it’s still not even been confirmed the nurses said…and I quote: Oh yes, the memos are already circling around the hospitals that are CONFIRMING this is happening , soon! I was skeptical myself so contacted my m best friend (best man at my wedding) who works for the NHS and asked him jokingly if this is true. He turned white I demanded angrily to know where this has been leaked and by who..But you, it’s all voluntarily, so all in a straight line and into the cattle wagons please, quick shower after..Just remember , we are not forcing you!!

380185 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1058 of 2208 🔗

So one of the main arguments that they have been told is that when the vaccine passports come … they will not be able to travel.

Thanks for this!!

Hopefully this might be interesting to TOBY

380186 ▶▶ John001, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1059 of 2208 🔗

AFAIK illegal … well, until they repeal the post-war legislation designed ‘to stop this ever happening again’.

380213 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John001, 6, #1060 of 2208 🔗

Yeah, it ain’t happening. There is no way these travel companies are going to not want 1/2 of their customer base excluded from travel. The idea is ludicrous.

380245 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1061 of 2208 🔗

not ludicrous when linked to the green agenda to stop all those nasty polluting aircraft from flying. travel companies will just be a casualty of war .

380494 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1062 of 2208 🔗

Just go to London and trash the place.

380204 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1063 of 2208 🔗

I heard as much from a nurse friend. I just checked the message and that was on 13th December.

380207 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #1064 of 2208 🔗

These people will do anything they are told. Regardless of the consequences.

So the main reason for taking a vaccine is because you will be forced to? I couldn’t contain my anger.

380214 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #1065 of 2208 🔗

NHS vaccine hesitancy nurses

That job title should strike the fear of god into any right-thinking person.

380286 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to kh1485, 2, #1066 of 2208 🔗

When my wife told me that that is their official title I though she is making a sick joke…How wrong I was!

380313 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1067 of 2208 🔗

Or, alternatively, a new generation of Nurse Ratcheds.

380215 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #1068 of 2208 🔗

If this is true, the NHS vaccine hesitancy nurses are political officers, providing political reasons to take the vaccine. Nothing to do with health whatsoever.

We have no plans for vaccine passports ” has been publicly stated twice by the Vaccine Minister. Invert to find out the truth, as I’ve said many times on here before.

380227 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #1069 of 2208 🔗

Do you mean no-one who has a vaccine passport will be prevented from travelling or anyone without a passport will be prohibited from doing so? Or will simply no-one be allowed to travel ever (unless they are Piers Morgan obviously)?

380283 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Kat, #1070 of 2208 🔗

No..You will need the vaccine and the App in order to travel..End off!

380497 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Kat, #1071 of 2208 🔗

Considering those who have already had the vaccine have not been given any paperwork to go with it…

380342 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1072 of 2208 🔗

They have vaccine hesitancy nurses?
Spare nurses who aren’t needed on well-staffed wards, I presume?

380380 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #1073 of 2208 🔗

They are all big men with arms like oak branches and hard eyes.

380475 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1074 of 2208 🔗

Well – on their heads be it. Any responses are justified in resisting such a measure, and not to resist would be equivalent to being a collaborator with fascism, and an insult to those who did resist the last time.

380482 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #1075 of 2208 🔗


380661 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1076 of 2208 🔗

The government can’t use the threat of banning foreign travel for the unjabbed unless foreign travel is actually available. It’s a chicken and egg situation and one they might find is not as easy to manipulate as they would like.

380175 Victoria, 5, #1077 of 2208 🔗

Another GREEN initiative with unintended consequences

The threat is REAL: Biofuel production harms farming communities, creates a toxic wasteland


380176 Achilles, 9, #1078 of 2208 🔗

Prediction tonight. No change, just announcement of loan scheme so poor families can get cheap IT for their kids to do school work, and increase in fines.

380177 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #1079 of 2208 🔗

Note that today’s ONS ‘All Cause’ mortality figures have topped 18000 for the week.

This is high – but not the highest since the 1990s, and years in which we didn’t notice much.

Lockdown deaths will also now be making a mark on the figures – the only question is ‘How Many?’.

380194 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 3, #1080 of 2208 🔗

Do you believe the figures and how they get them? Not saying they are but its like they actually want this.

380459 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1081 of 2208 🔗

Having looked at them for a protracted period – yes, I do believe them. They make sense, even if I’ve (as now) underestimated a bit (I tend to do a prediction to get inside the trends).

I don’t always accept ONS figures at face value – because they are dependent on the sources, like the NHS or PHE. And I doubt the methodology of their Covid survey – because of the dependence on PCR testing. But that’s not the same as not trusting them in terms of deliberate distortion. I would simply not trust anything purporting to define the incidence of Covid – because the basis is so entirely shot.

I think the all-cause mortality is as good as it gets.

380203 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to RickH, 7, #1082 of 2208 🔗

A lot. When you consider the effect of the governments terror campaign on the citizens’ mental health together with the enforced social isolation of many and mix in the lack of medical treatments for many, I would guess that these three factors alone would have an effect on the excess death figures. And that is before you consider the restriction on vitamin d intake due to earlier restrictions … and any vaccine impacts… oh nearly forgot and effect of the economic problems on health.

380223 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Van Allen, 10, #1083 of 2208 🔗

I always said they need to take a randomized sample of the deceased and go to their GP/care home/family and actually find out what they died of or what their expected lifespan would have been

The paper that estimated 10 years left for each covid death was utter crap. They assumed that the life left of each person was the average of the age/underlying health issue class. Its clearly the ‘most’ ill that are dying, not the average. But this paper (written by a student) is now being quoted because it gives the answer the zealots want

380248 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 2, #1084 of 2208 🔗

Remember reading that paper when it came out, and spotted that obvious flaw within about 5 minutes.

But still hear that nonsense about 10 years being spouted.

380267 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1085 of 2208 🔗

yes, the corruption of science 🙁

380327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steve_w, 2, #1086 of 2208 🔗

“… a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science”

380279 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to steve_w, 3, #1087 of 2208 🔗

Yes it was clearly a ridiculous assumption at the time and as you say proper science would involve actually trying to validate such assumptions. Unfortunately there is no official will to do that, quite the opposite in fact.

380985 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, #1088 of 2208 🔗

If Covid, whatever that really is, kills you then you were on the last bus out anyway. Ten more years, my arse.

380226 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 10, #1089 of 2208 🔗

Who cares, lockdown, masks, social distancing etc have caused these deaths. If the virus has become more virulent it is lockdown that has caused it. We have been in lockdown for ten months now and look where we are? All this shit is caused by lockdown.

380271 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 3, #1090 of 2208 🔗


Lockdown is worse than the mother and father of all sunk costs. It is a key part of the problem it is being maintained to combat.

380978 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Will, #1091 of 2208 🔗

And vaccines.

380282 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 4, #1093 of 2208 🔗

I think the January 2021 all cause death figure will be a bit higher, possibly quite a bit higher, than the January 2018 one.

It’s hard to say what the figure would have been if no unnecessary lockdown deaths had been caused, but at a guess it would be less than the January 2018 figure (given the huge number of non-covid home deaths)

And the science says lockdown saves no lives, so whatever the figure the net loss of life caused by lockdown is roughly speaking the indirect deaths caused by lockdown.

380976 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, #1094 of 2208 🔗

Lockdowns cost lives and so do intentionally genocidal vaccines.

380318 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 5, #1095 of 2208 🔗

Vaccine deaths may well be making a minor impact by now.

380197 Victoria, 21, #1096 of 2208 🔗

School children should follow the example of this inspirational school girl (story above)

I Want To Go To School

380210 Steeve, 4, #1097 of 2208 🔗


“Hello how can we help today?”

“I want to give blood plasma.”

“That’s great, I take it you have some concerns?”

“Is going to give blood classed as essential travel?”

“Yes giving blood is classed as essential travel. Book an appointment and you are good to go.”

“Thanks that’s all I wanted to know.”

“Can I help you with anything else?”

“No that’s all.”

“Glad to have been of help STAY SAFE.”

380221 derek@theharpurs.co.uk, replying to derek@theharpurs.co.uk, 9, #1098 of 2208 🔗

A confusing situation over policies between retailers.
Sainsburys announces ‘Customers are required to wear a face covering or face shield unless exempt’.
Costco will only let you in if you are exempt from a mask if you wear a face shield.
What is the point of government policies if different retailers chose different interpretations.
Government says that face shields should not be worn without a mask as they do not provide protection. This is obvious because how would a face shield prevent the virus from going around the sides and bottom of the shield?
How do Costco believe that a face shield has any practical use and is better than someone not wearing anything?
This is completely illogical.

380235 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to derek@theharpurs.co.uk, 6, #1099 of 2208 🔗

It has been ever thus.

380240 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to derek@theharpurs.co.uk, 4, #1100 of 2208 🔗

Costco are not following the law – those who are exempt should not be discriminated against on the grounds that they can get a delivery to their home – that is still discrimination.

380498 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to this is my username, 2, #1101 of 2208 🔗

Costco is one of the worst offenders here in Canada with respect to not honouring exemptions. They will literally bar you from entering the store and call the police. I believe there will be a class action suit against them, but the court system is pretty non-functional so who knows if they will ever be held to account.

380260 ▶▶ mj, replying to derek@theharpurs.co.uk, 2, #1102 of 2208 🔗

and deliberate. confuse everyone with “guidelines” so no one knows what is legal and not legal. Add a little persuasion or inducement here and there , and you end up with policing being done by shops , the public, the media and the public being scared to do anything .

380314 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to derek@theharpurs.co.uk, 3, #1103 of 2208 🔗

Surprised some compo warriors haven’t found a disabled neighbour, and set out to record and claim from costco. Where’s the entrepreneurial spirit these days … ?

380335 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1104 of 2208 🔗

Next week: people in wheelchairs entering Costco will be assumed to be faking their disability, and unless they get up and walk they will be excluded. If they can’t get a neighbour to shop for them, tough.

380440 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JohnB, 1, #1105 of 2208 🔗

Ambulance chasers are so 2019. We need supermarket chasers.

380629 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1106 of 2208 🔗

Coming soon on TV radio:

Have you been discriminated or refused entry because you’re exempt from wearing a mask

Have you been bullied or subjected to unfair dismissal……

The retailers, offices and other businesses should now be afraid, be very afraid as the lawyers are now circling over them like vultures. If they think the lockdowns are the least of their problems just wait until the court cases against discrimination, harassment and bullying come like a tsunami their way.

380236 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1108 of 2208 🔗

Lucky non-sccots getting to build back green, at least in theory. Scottish build back green money appears to have gone missing without the trail of corruption…just a simple vanishing of £1Bn covid pounds.

The guardian reports
“England’s much-hyped £2bn green homes grant is in chaos, renewable energy installers say, with some owed tens of thousands of pounds and struggling to stay in business.

“Members of the public have been left waiting nearly four months, in some cases, to take advantage of the scheme to fit low carbon heating systems. Some installers say customers are pulling out after losing faith in the green grants”


The green build back was announced on the same day as 50% more burgers in August, that long forgotten highlight of 2021.

380247 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Basics, 1, #1109 of 2208 🔗

Yep, sure was a highlight !

380340 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Basics, 1, #1110 of 2208 🔗

“covid pounds”

What a great idea.

Covid euros, covid dollars, covid dinars, covid yen, covid roubles, covid yuan.

Eventually just drop the second words and the world’s currency is now the covid!

The ultimate remainers revenge!

Hey, with this idea I should get an invite to speak at the WEF.

380254 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 38, #1111 of 2208 🔗

In a belligerent mood I set off to visit my brother who lives in deepest Essex, I vowed that no one was going to stop me, and no one did! In fact we saw no police on a round trip of 140 miles. Daft signs on the A14 and A12 saying Stay Home Save Lives as if those out driving didn’t have somewhere they needed to be!

380329 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1112 of 2208 🔗

Well done.

380274 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Caramel, 12, #1114 of 2208 🔗

He will be joining the ranks of murderers of those denied medical attention by the NHS.

380280 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 7, #1115 of 2208 🔗

Doesn’t sound like a winner given that despite millenia of trying, murder has not been abolished and a lot of murders remain unsolved

But a great analogy

380290 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Caramel, 12, #1116 of 2208 🔗

Isn’t it depressing to see someone like that make the case for zero Covid? He’s basically saying that because Australia closed off to the world at the start of this, we can do the same. My first question would be “well fine, what’s your exit plan?”

These people need to own up to the fact that following this strategy means economic ruin and eternal lockdown measures. For no level of death is acceptable to them. It is so far removed from reality its simply dangerous thinking. Australia is not a model, its an outlier that has no exit plan. Vaccines? Yeah that’s already a lead balloon.

It’s totally unscientific too. For pre 2020 lockdowns in this way we’re never recommended and still aren’t by the WHO as a means to deal with a virus. They only recommend it if the health service is near collapse.

The policy should be to stop using PCR, assess the true threat, abandon any measures not required to deal with such a threat (like isolating healthy NHS workers), provide clarity on the true death toll, and start investing in proven treatments for the vulnerable (Ivermectin, Vit D, Vit C).

The zero covid crowd are a controlled distraction, further attempt to dress up China lockdown science as some kind of socially virtuous interventionist solution. I think its there just to continue the push to end our current way of life.

380302 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1117 of 2208 🔗

We don’t have an exit plan and things are not back to normal here. I’m ashamed that the notoriously harsh lockdown in Melbourne is used as a model. Things are not back to normal here and some state borders are closed so you have to get a permit and do a two week hotel quarantine. We have so many stranded Australians but Australians are happy to shut them out. We can’t leave the country.

380339 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Caramel, 6, #1118 of 2208 🔗

Perhaps we should just make Covid illegal.

380259 PastImperfect, 24, #1119 of 2208 🔗

A response to ‘government’ supporters.

By promoting the Covid travesty, you are complicit in:

Thousands of cancer and stroke patients being condemned to premature death because their scans have been postponed and urgent operations cancelled to make way for an anticipated increase in Covid-19 patients.

People committing suicide, including mothers, fathers and children because their life prospects and businesses have been utterly destroyed by the hype and fraudulent actions of the UK government for a comparatively rare disease called Covid-19.

The economy of the UK being destroyed, with thousands of businesses closed and millions thrown into unemployment.

The fact that over 170 million people have been thrown into abject poverty worldwide and the millions who will die as a direct result of the devastation of the UK economy.

The UK in the process of being converted into a slave colony. So be happy when you are assigned to a hovel on Plantation UK.

380262 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1120 of 2208 🔗

The reality is that most people want to be law abiding.

As we get towards the summer more and more people will realise that they have been conned

At this point the protests will increase. The dictatorship will need to increase the level of violence towards protesters and start the process of detaining dissenters

The legal system has already collapsed. A 50,000 backlog in the Crown Courts and the Magistrates Courts are closed due to Covid

Internment without trial is on it’s way

The new prisons will have a capacity of 100,000

Trust me, Mikey Mike is not building her new prisons for foreign travelers

380315 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1121 of 2208 🔗

I don’t think people will realise they have been conned. To do so would mean entertaining the possibility that they have been mistaken and not many will do that.

380266 Turkowl, replying to Turkowl, 42, #1122 of 2208 🔗

In an echo of the destructive consequences of previous civil wars, e.g. English and Spanish, where family identities and cohesion were torn asunder by split loyalties within the groups, we had a disturbing and upsetting thing happen to us today. A long held friend (of over three decades) whose background has involved a devotion to self development and spiritual pursuit, rang my wife asking why she has been absent from social media (a reality brought about by our increasing awareness of the vitriolic attacks that dissenters were receiving at the hands of those following the orthodox pandemic viewpoint. My wife explained this as tactfully as possible and in response our friend proceeded to vilify my wife accusing her of adopting a position (one that my wife did not expound to her at any point) that has caused many to die and that she did not think that their friendship could survive their differences. We are deeply saddened and feel a sense of hopelessness, in that even so called ‘enlightened’ individuals are succumbing to this increasing tendency to adopt positions of moral superiority and at the same time aggressively attack dissenting voices, even when they are those of previously closely valued friends. Here in socially obedient North Wales we are feeling extremely alienated and are witnessing the shrinking of our social universe.

380285 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Turkowl, 19, #1123 of 2208 🔗

It happens. When this is all over your friend may have completely forgotten that conversation or deny she said it. Or not. So it’s too early to say you have lost her completely, though your view of her may change.
For what it’s worth I have worked alongside people into spirituality and self-development. They can be as self-obsessed, conniving and wrong focused as any other group of humans. Their niceness may only extend to when everything goes their way. So I am not surprised.

380287 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Turkowl, 16, #1124 of 2208 🔗

The Psy-Op is working better than they had hoped. They let it rip and rip it does and they can’t stop it now, not that they want to. They want to turn as many people into gibbering psychological wrecks as possible, making the government the only point of contact that is permissible.. They think its funny.

380557 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1125 of 2208 🔗

It’s not just friendships that are threatened. Most people won’t admit to any form of scepticism, and the official narrative is so strong that for most people it is easier to believe it than any alternative. I can no longer talk with my wife and children about my views. The thing that really brought this about and has strengthened their belief in the narrative no end were the overconfident statements that ‘there will be no second wave’ and ‘viruses don’t to waves.’ Then we had a second wave. It is as real as the first – my daughter is a respiratory doctor and has seen it first hand. Of course it is probably that insufficient population immunity was achieved first time round due to the advent of spring, and the resurgence is a seasonal feature. However, having been proven wrong once, I am no longer believed on this subject, and concerns about the impact on society and the economy are pretty much swept aside. Life isn’t very much fun.

380703 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richardw53, 4, #1126 of 2208 🔗

Humm, tricky, well, actually there isn’t really a 2nd wave, just a seasonal ripple and the the excess deaths figure is fairly meaningless. Moreover for the first time EVER they have rolled up last years fantastical death count into this years fantastical death count. The end result a fantastical death count based on absolutely flawed testing. Their official stats are almost meaningless. They are even more meaningless now than they were 4 weeks ago as the NHS stopped tracking a wide range of other metrics.

The “dies from” or “died with” thing is a monumental scam. The disappearance of Flu and other chest issues and it all being assigned to covid is bullshit. Another key factor in the SCAM.

It’s a scam, you are right, we are right, they are wrong, even if she does work as a respiratory doctor, so what? She still watches the BBC and looks nowhere else for her information. If she does it will be NHS approved bullshit.

Deaths every day are average, just average, nothing more nothing less boring average deaths. not different much from how they have been for the last ten years.

381172 ▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1127 of 2208 🔗

Thanks for your reply. I agree with most of what you have said, but that’s not the point; those who follow the official narrative have to stray too far and make too many uncomfortable assumptions to take it on board.

My daughter is a clinician, not an epidemiologist, and has had the sad experience of seeing many otherwise healthy patients die. Every time she contacts the families she is under detailed scrutiny for how she treated them. The very old (over 85 or so) are typically not fit enough anyway to survive iCU treatment – this is nothing to do with Covid but simply a function of their physical condition. So she is seeing the situation from her end of the telescope and understandably does not want to add me to the list of people challenging the NHS.

380301 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Turkowl, 7, #1128 of 2208 🔗

It’s just a repeat of what happened with die-hard remainers after the Brexit vote. My assessment of which is the ‘right side’ is based on whether or not people will listen to – and sensibly refute, if they can – opposing views. Both the Remain campaign and the Lockdown con are based on pure emotion and are essentially fact free (even though there ARE some facts they could bring forward, at least in the early days) and so the supporters can only resort to vituperation and cancelling.

380305 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Turkowl, 16, #1129 of 2208 🔗

It’s painful. I had to let go of a friendship of 12 years last week after being accused of being part of the “rapid right wing” and “waging a culture war against saving lives”.

My parents have described to me losing friends over their attitudes to the printworkers’ strike in the 1980s, and this seems similar somehow.

380308 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 14, #1130 of 2208 🔗

I’ve had that too. Trump supporter is what I was called. This guy still felt Sweden was the worst country in tbe world for deaths.

I mean its shocking to see such ignorance, coupled with strong vitriolic opinions but I think they’ve Ben psychologically damaged. They’ll need Hancock on jail to ever believe they were wrong.

380418 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1131 of 2208 🔗

Jail? Needs to be much stronger than that. I’m sorry if that upsets some people here, but we need to send a message down the following generations that this is NOT how you run a country. There are limitations to power.

380370 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, 5, #1132 of 2208 🔗

I meant “rabid right wing”, not “rapid right wing” :-s

380307 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Turkowl, 6, #1133 of 2208 🔗

Every experience is a learning experience. You’ll be better able to judge ‘enlightenment’ now. 🙂

380325 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Turkowl, 13, #1134 of 2208 🔗

People like that were never good friends or good human beings, and you’re better off without them.
There are many new friendships and new social adventures ahead of us. Discard the dross, find the pearls.

380419 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Turkowl, 6, #1135 of 2208 🔗

Sad times – when you’ve calmed down, why not write a letter/email explaining your views and that actually to care for all the suicides, you care for all the extra cancer deaths, you care for all the kids being denied an education, you care for businesses that have shut down and their livelihoods, you care about the unemployed with no hope, the elderly, loney etc and that with a ‘proportionate’ policy all these could be could be minimised and still protect those with the virus.

380880 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Turkowl, #1136 of 2208 🔗

sounds like she did you a favour, life is too short to waste precious time on demented sanctimonious brainwashed lunatics. think of all the interesting books you could read now that you don’t have to waste time talking to her. even clipping your toenails would be a more valuable use of your time. I guess it’s rather bitter to think of the 30 years you threw away though – still, better late than never

380968 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Turkowl, #1137 of 2208 🔗

Longstanding friends sometimes have to go and your wife’s ordeal is a case in point.

380270 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 8, #1138 of 2208 🔗

I was watching a Youtube video yesterday about the American cult run by Jim Jones, obviously an horrendous end for all those involved. What struck me was, when some people call this situation we are in, the Covid cult, just how true that is. When you think that some jumped up little man with grandiose ideas was able to have such power over some people. I compared it to the jumped up idiots in government, so few of them but they have been able to pull the wool over so many peoples eyes.

The difference in this case is that it is all of us who will end up suffering, even those who are not prepared to drink the poison (vaccine). We need far more people to stand up and say no more and it just seems unlikely to happen. Too many have been hoodwinked and see Boris as their Jim Jones!.

380379 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1139 of 2208 🔗

Jones was heavily promoted by the San Francisco political establishment. They even appointed him to the city’s public housing authority.

After the massacre they all pretended they’d never heard of him.

380559 ▶▶ jos, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1140 of 2208 🔗

Maybe that was a practice run – there’s was certainly a lot of government / FBI involvement in that

380277 MizakeTheMizan, 9, #1141 of 2208 🔗

I’m getting nervous about Toby’s daily writings where he collects a number of links to stories under the header “Round-Up”.

Every day it’s sounding increasingly like what is going to happen to us.

380284 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 3, #1142 of 2208 🔗

If you are interested in TGR and Schwab, listen to Ursula van Leyen, current EU presidents speech (to the end).
It is quite interesting.
The Davos Agenda | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

Avoid the first 1m50!

380528 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to Silke David, #1143 of 2208 🔗

It’s the same old cliches once more

380288 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 32, #1144 of 2208 🔗

Abuse after abuse after abuse. The dark truth in the hearts of Johnson and Hancock that perhaps they hide even from themselves is that they actually enjoy it.

380320 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 19, #1145 of 2208 🔗

Dungford most certainly does. A shrivelled little Welsh windbag whom nobody had heard of or cared a rap about, and suddenly he has the power to rape, torture and enslave a whole people. His own people, which obviously makes it even more enjoyable.

380858 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, #1147 of 2208 🔗

yeh I hate that man

380860 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, #1148 of 2208 🔗

Is that hate speech?

380414 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Achilles, 5, #1149 of 2208 🔗

I really dont know how they can live with themselves telling lie after lie after lie to millions of people!

380533 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Janette, 3, #1150 of 2208 🔗

They’re politicians. That’s what they do. We take the worst of us, raise them to positions of power, and then expect great things. I often wonder how our race has survived for so long by being so stupid.

380295 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1151 of 2208 🔗

Zoe update

R has ticked up a bit but still lower than in the summer


380297 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1152 of 2208 🔗


380300 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1153 of 2208 🔗

new ‘symptomatics’

380304 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #1154 of 2208 🔗

the lower Zoe goes, the more I question it. In summer it was probably a hangover tracker

at current levels, covid is probably only 7% of daily acquired ‘cold-like’ infections and there is a large cross-over in symptoms

I still think its the best dataset we have

380309 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1155 of 2208 🔗

and just to say

‘if’ this was the only dataset we had we would have never locked down. because its as real-time as you can get (whatever its other faults) and clearly showed ‘at the time’ that we had peaked – everything else was hindsight

380310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1156 of 2208 🔗

of course ‘lockdown’ should never have been on the menu of options in any case

380363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 1, #1157 of 2208 🔗

I think it was this tweet that made me think about things


What the app was picking up was more related to more people with symptoms testing positive rather than more people being sick.

It seems to be the proportion of people with symptoms who test positive that drives their numbers, much more so than the number with symptoms (unfortunately the two are rarely separated in the disclosed data)

While zoe has showed a double peak in what they call new ‘infections’ their second autumn peak was only about a third higher than the first autumn peak but covid labelled hospital deaths more than doubled between the two autumn peaks, and the location of the trough between the two peaks isn’t explainable.

380461 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1158 of 2208 🔗

re that tweet – this looks like the increase in false positives (or asymptomatics) as testing was really ramped up

and on the peak height. the 2nd and 3rd are far less than the first (which peaked at over 2 million)

380481 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to steve_w, #1159 of 2208 🔗

Is it like the test results – the lower it goes the more false positives skew the figure?

380296 Binra, replying to Binra, 9, #1160 of 2208 🔗

These uncontentious assumptions are:

1. COVID-19 is a serious new human disease, caused by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, that can kill people. The disease ‘jumped species’ in Wuhan Province, China and spread globally from there.

2. Doing nothing in the face of this new disease and the resulting pandemic was not an option because, despite some pre-existing immunity to the disease, in the UK a large proportion of the population was naïve to the infection and as a result even a modest infection fatality rate could have resulted in a significant number of deaths.

Such assumptions as 1 are still awaiting proof of substance – while such reactions from 2 have run amok.

COVID-19 is a new umbrella DIAGNOSIS for a range of already existing disease conditions with the possible exception of the specific post complications sometimes called covid pneumonia – which may be severe or fatal as a result of any number of potential causes including iatrogenic treatments, vitamin and essential mineral deficiency, toxic exposures and collective stress such as to undermine immune function – including that associated with end of life scenarios.

‘Doing nothing’ is used as an insinuation of lack of care and concern, when it can mean doing only as an ongoing assessment of established facts so as to leverage ‘doing the provided solution’, which may be opportunistic as leveraging the fears and sympathies of a misguided public as a result of mistaken, misguided or malicious distortion of information.

The attempts at ‘damage limitation’ and disinformation into the consciousness of those seeking to separate fact from fiction or indeed faction, are as much the top down directives of narrative control, as of those who cannot look on the fact of such a disturbing reality and seek to retain what they assume to be ‘rationality’.

The use of rational means to gaslight or deny worth and right to a voice is well known. Rationality can be merely a masking strategy over a fear of exposure in the posture of control. Reason itself is synonymous with sanity. No stretch of imagination can rationalise destroying our global life support network and systems as the basis to save us from a ‘disease’ almost exclusively generated by the genetic definitions, tests and treatment protocols – including social isolating and fear programming.

The resort to computer modelling is increasingly used as a ‘scientific’ substitute for empirical science, clinical and professional perspectives and last but not least common sense. No expertise was required to spot the loony in this case, but a normalisation to corporately funded management under ‘experts’, deferred to ‘authority’ under the spell of a presumption that as they are all in lockstep they MUST know and cant be questioned.

380311 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Binra, 5, #1161 of 2208 🔗

Doing nothing in the face of this new disease and the resulting pandemic was not an option because, despite some pre-existing immunity to the disease, in the UK a large proportion of the population was naïve to the infection and as a result even a modest infection fatality rate could have resulted in a significant number of deaths.”

Well, this is an argument from consequence, so logically faulty. Furthermore, ‘uncontentious assumption’ is an oxymoron. If it was truly uncontentious, it would be a fact, not an assumption. Sorry, that’s just how logic works.

380618 ▶▶ matt, replying to Binra, #1162 of 2208 🔗

As for 2, it really should read “being seen to do nothing was political unpalatable and doing something- anything – was deemed to be the only possible option, for the sake of optics. Unfortunately, having convinced everyone that there was something they could usefully do, it became politically impossible to stop doing something and the only possible answer when the somethings they were doing didn’t seem to be working, was to do more and different somethings.

380312 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1163 of 2208 🔗

Is there a way to review our own posts ?? I can never find mine to see what context they were received 😳

380316 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Boy, 6, #1164 of 2208 🔗

There’s a doofer:

380322 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #1165 of 2208 🔗

Uptick for doofer. 😉

380330 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1166 of 2208 🔗

Doof is stupid in German. Doofer is a male stupid person. So my first reaction was: that’s not very nice!

380341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 3, #1167 of 2208 🔗

My MIL calls the TV remote the ‘doofer’.

380375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1168 of 2208 🔗

Lol, same, though it’s also a stand in for ‘thingy’. I think that’s where I picked it up from.

380345 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Silke David, 1, #1169 of 2208 🔗

Aber, ich bin ein inselaffe, so alles ok! 🙂

380388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1170 of 2208 🔗

My dad ( gone now , born 1922 ) used to sing part of a song ! Big hearted doofer they call me , big hearted doofer that’s me , it’s plain if I ain’t very clever ( not sure of next bit , possibly this – ) but it’s only cos I don’t have to be , 😇 he’s greatly missed , got to 93 though 👍

380377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, 3, #1171 of 2208 🔗

Doofer is also the tail end of a cigarette, extinguished before fully smoked. As in “doofer later”. I shit you not.

380479 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Silke David, 2, #1172 of 2208 🔗

I believe the canonical spelling should be doopher. Call me a Philhellenist.

380343 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1173 of 2208 🔗

All the time i’ve spent on here and I didn’t know this. Thanks.

380353 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1174 of 2208 🔗

How interesting, been here for ever and never even noticed the doofer.
Not that it makes much difference, it just says ‘this page does not exist’.

380362 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Old Bill, #1175 of 2208 🔗

Odd. It should bring up a box with a list of all of your previous comments as links so you can go straight to them. It’s a javascript widget, so I think your browser is probably not displaying it properly. Try a different browser maybe, or different device, or allow javascript.

380624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1176 of 2208 🔗

Yes, you are right, it does work in another browser. Its not javascript though, I block it normally but allow an exception for this site.

380405 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Old Bill, 6, #1177 of 2208 🔗

Just tried it , worked for me in Firefox. Actually a bit embarassing to be faced with all my past comments so long after the emotions that generated them have faded away.

380373 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1178 of 2208 🔗

Cool , I’ll try it 👍 it’s got the right name to describe me and my keyboard skills 😂

380321 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1179 of 2208 🔗

If you go to somewhere in the middle of the comments section and set your pointer in the middle of the comments , then press control and the f key, that should give you a little box into which you can type your name. Press return and then a note of how many times your name appears should pop up, you can then use the arrows in the box to scroll through the entries with your name.
If there are a lot of comments, this search function may not find all yours at once, you may need to scroll up and down and then search again.
I hope that helps?

380398 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1180 of 2208 🔗

Thanks , I just need to see if I can do it now 🤦🏼‍♂️ 😀 I will report back !

380328 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1181 of 2208 🔗

https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm is a mirror of LS, scraped every few hours, and loads much more quickly. There are also stats.

380413 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Julian, 2, #1182 of 2208 🔗

Sounds complex ! Thanks , ANYWAY , while I’ve got a few ears( eyes actually ) Has anyone seen the James Corden led anti Trump goodbye Skit !! Please find it & tell me how certain people can be so cocksure of themselves & their righteousness , Enjoy ( Not)

380502 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, #1183 of 2208 🔗

Anyone seen it 🤔 🤔

380697 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1184 of 2208 🔗

No. I avoid James Corden like the plague.

I’ve come to actually like Trump. He’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but I’ve seen enough clips of him being funny, or really nice to ordinary people, when the camera isn’t that close, and it isn’t an obvious photo-op, to think that he’s nicer than he’s made out to be..
Unlike Biden, who wants to fight people (members of the public), or punch them out. Or sniff young girls hair….

380852 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to LMS2, #1185 of 2208 🔗

for me, looking at the kind of people who hate him would in itself be enough to make me think he must be OK

380890 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to LMS2, #1186 of 2208 🔗

Trump was our last man standing ! Watch the Corden thing it’s horrendous ! You will see how the lefty side is beyond help!

380319 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1187 of 2208 🔗

It’s Tuesday. 875 deaths* added to the English hospitals lists today.

Looks like they will report about 1,200 to 1,500 deaths* nationwide today.

*usual caveats apply.

380351 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ceriain, 18, #1188 of 2208 🔗

I heard a bit of the lunchtime news, much hand wringing about death numbers, with no context given of overall numbers and normal death rates, indeed every indication that all 100,000 plus ‘covid’ deaths were entirely down to covid and that without covid all those 100,000 plus people would still be alive!
How can you tackle such blatant misrepresentation? Until we get back to a more realistic acceptance of life and death it is going to be very hard to make any progress. To play callous devil’s advocate, if we had done nothing and if the doomsday prediction of 500,000 deaths had happened, would it have mattered? the UK would still have had a very high population of healthy dynamic enterprising go ahead people, we have all got to die sometime, why would that have been a problem? As I say just playing callous devil’s advocate but it is the way my mind sometimes wanders!

380469 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1189 of 2208 🔗

What really puzzles me is why any rational person would think the numbers would be inflated apparently just to scare us if there was a real pandemic.. Once you accept the fact (according to WHO) that the test is not fit for purpose and the number of false positives is so high, how can you fail to see that none of this is being done in our best interests?

380841 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jos, 1, #1190 of 2208 🔗

EXACTLY… if any of this were real, I think the government and its propaganda machine would be doing the opposite, trying to downplay the numbers, big up their success in bringing it under control, generally distract attention from it…something like China was accused of doing in the early days in Wuhan..

380835 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1191 of 2208 🔗

NO – it absolutely wouldn’t have mattered! even if this were ebola/the black death it wouldn’t justify any of this – the ends NEVER justify the means. anyway, it isn’t ebola/the black death, and it’s NOT – ABOUT – A -VIRUS………

380324 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #1192 of 2208 🔗

Sadiq’s vaccine video is literally the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. I met this man, shook his hand, and had a pleasant conversation 5 years ago. Now he’s been tortured and brainwashed into this. I am devastated for him, all involved and all who suppress their own feelings and judgement by following this propaganda. If you want this experimental vaccine, go ahead, but it is NOT OKAY TO FORCE OTHERS with this kind of vile campaign, that is FULL of dangerous misinformation! Even contradicting NHS and MHRA!


380369 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #1193 of 2208 🔗

“All we have to do is take the vaccination.”

And it will all go away, right? WRONG!

380376 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1194 of 2208 🔗

Yeah, which one and how often? They’re messing around with the time between “vaccines,” and talking about mixing and matching them. Then there’s the booster “vaccine”for new variants. So how many jabs and how often? It’s not going away.

380400 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #1195 of 2208 🔗

By taking the vaccine, we will soon be able to live normal lives again.

Soon we will be reunited with our friends and family provided we do one simple thing: take the vaccine.


380451 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mattghg, 8, #1196 of 2208 🔗

Witless, Vallium and their attendant thugs have explicitly denied that the snake oil will liberate anybody.

380415 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1197 of 2208 🔗

Khan: Brutish, nasty, and short.

380477 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1198 of 2208 🔗

What about the video though?

380525 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to leggy, 5, #1199 of 2208 🔗

Likewise, probably. I’m not polluting my mind with it though. A bunch of sycophantic slebs trying to sound earnest and convince you to take the jab using zero factual information but plenty of emotional appeals?

380334 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1200 of 2208 🔗

Having written to my MP many times and a couple of replies at the beginning, now nothing. I wont be surprised to get an email telling me he is no longer working as a representative and would I please stop bothering him.

380359 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1201 of 2208 🔗

Mine now bombards me with write-ups (propaganda pieces) that I don’t need

380824 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, #1202 of 2208 🔗

I think mine actually BLOCKED me! – is that allowed? not sure he could read anyway

380346 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 41, #1203 of 2208 🔗

Err!…..No thank you!

As a Fit and well 71 year old I’ve just received, out of the blue, an invitation for a covid vaccine from my doctor’s surgery.

These are the exact words of my discussion with the caller:

‘Hello Mr Hopkins, I wonder if I could interest you in a Covid vaccine?’

My surprised but mentally prepared answer for just this call:

‘I’m presently doing some investigations so that I can come to an informed decision’.

‘That’s perfectly fine Mr Hopkins…thank you.’

I could have said what really think—that wild horses wouldn’t get me anywhere near this experimental rubbish but common sense prevailed!

380357 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #1204 of 2208 🔗

I could have said what really think —that wild horses wouldn’t get me anywhere near this experimental rubbish but common sense prevailed!

I know how you feel, Harry. I’m expecting a call any day now (on the CEV list). I’ve also decided to be extremely decent and politely refuse. No point in having a go at the caller.

It’ll be a different matter when my GP does the follow-up call to argue with me that I should take it, and he will, believe me.

380402 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1205 of 2208 🔗

Over the last six months I’ve sent two E-mails to my doctors surgery, the first asking for their comments on the Great Barrington declaration (unanswered) and the second concerning the vaccine, again unanswered. I would relish the opportunity to discuss Covid with my GP but I’m pretty sure, unlike yourself Ceriain, I won’t get the opportunity

380433 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1206 of 2208 🔗

I think you should be prepared with some questions that any informed GP should know the answer to before recommending a medicine:-

  • What specifically is my current risk of dying of Covid (based on age, lifestyle, etc.) and what will it be once I’ve had the vaccine?
  • What is my risk of significant side-effects (based on age, lifestyle, etc.)
  • How long do you think a medicine should be trialled to properly ascertain any “long-term” side-effects?
  • Can you guarantee that I will receive the second dose within the time-scale recommended by the manufacturer?
380474 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 1, #1207 of 2208 🔗

Already prepared for that, A. Thanks for the third question, though; I didn’t have that one on my list. 🙂

380488 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 8, #1208 of 2208 🔗

Excellent questions

Their answers will be
1) Don’t know and don’t know
2) Don’t know
3) Don’t know
4) No

380514 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Achilles, 6, #1209 of 2208 🔗

Even more simple- “can you please confirm both efficacy and safety long term”. Your GP/nurse/ administrator will not be able to provide this. So, “ok that’s fine, no thanks then”.

380813 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Achilles, 2, #1210 of 2208 🔗

I would add ”will you agree to accept personal liability in writing should I suffer any personal injury; strict liability without proof of causation or negligence should I suffer death or injury within 28 days, and thereafter on the basis of negligence”” – let the fuckers put their homes and families’ security on the line if they’re so keen for me to get it

380381 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Harry hopkins, 13, #1211 of 2208 🔗

Sadly my Mum will be having hers next week. She’s 72 and has other health issues. She feels it’s OK because her GP has already had it.
I’m 50 and no chance in hell they’re getting it anywhere near me.

380861 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to TreeHugger, 2, #1212 of 2208 🔗

My 78 year old mother hasn’t been ‘called up’ yet but some of her older friends have. I mentioned the vaccine wasn’t 100% effective and didn’t prevent either the contraction or transmission of the disease. She was very surprised to hear that! I think she’ll go for it though simply because it’s an official telling her what to do.

I’m 49 and will not be taking it and I’m prepared to go to prison if necessary (although I guess if it becomes compulsory, I’ll just be held down and injected so prison’s unlikely).

380605 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #1213 of 2208 🔗

Anybody else see the the dichotomy here between the msm view that not only people, but entire nation states are fighting each other to get this vaccine, but individual doctor’s surgeries are phoning people up and asking them if they would be ‘interested in having one?’ . Anyway, doesn’t cold calling contravene the telecom companies privacy regulations?

380906 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1214 of 2208 🔗

It’s an old marketing ploy. You ‘create’ a demand by making out that the product in question (which has been hyped up to be the best thing since sliced bread) is in short supply. The idea is that people then think that it must be good because there isn’t enough to go around. It’s all nonsense of course and is just the latest in the brain washing of those who are wedded to the MSM. Apple always do this with their latest gadgets and it always seem to pay them all the way to the bank!

380347 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 36, #1215 of 2208 🔗

Just drove past the smallish common near me, there were more snowmen than on a Game of Thrones battlefield. Must have been hundreds of families out building them on Sunday. Good to see.

380447 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1216 of 2208 🔗

Oooooh, I do hope those binary snowpersons were socially distanced and face-knickered.

380348 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1217 of 2208 🔗

Johnson to hold a presser at 5pm. To say WHAT exactly?

Priti Useless was on the other night and said/announced nothing, essentially.

I can only imagine he’s going to do more ‘carrot dangling’; “follow the rules and we’ll get your kids back to school”, or some such bollocks.

380352 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ceriain, 40, #1218 of 2208 🔗

I actually dont care what ANY OF THEM say anymore?…seriously…..I have UTTER CONTEMPT for all of them.

we are being completely CONNED

380364 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1219 of 2208 🔗

I totally agree. When are they going to come out and tell us the truth of what they are really up to???

380421 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Janette, 1, #1220 of 2208 🔗

Never, Janette.

380360 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1221 of 2208 🔗

TalkRADIO are saying it is to be an announcement of “Quarantine Hotels”

380367 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DoubtingDave, 2, #1222 of 2208 🔗

That was my first thought but the lineup seems strange. Powis and whitty

380384 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to DoubtingDave, 3, #1223 of 2208 🔗

maybe we can rouse the sheep to march on their nearest quarantine hotel (which is full of plague carriers) with pitchforks and flaming torches .

380573 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DoubtingDave, 1, #1224 of 2208 🔗

Note the tactics – repulsive creeps creeping.

380731 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DoubtingDave, #1225 of 2208 🔗

Is it true they are considering electronic tags if you enter the UK from abroad?

380395 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1226 of 2208 🔗
380438 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1227 of 2208 🔗

More coercive control of the population.

380455 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1228 of 2208 🔗

They love being on the telly – bunch of tarts

And it keeps the state of emergency feel going

380483 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1229 of 2208 🔗

Maybe he wants to practice his Latin and Greek. Talks bollocks all the time anyway.

380510 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1230 of 2208 🔗

So he can fully explain the vaccine position regarding the misunderstanding with “Our European Friends”

380366 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1231 of 2208 🔗

There are some rotten buggers around. See the headmistress here:


380374 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tenchy, 17, #1232 of 2208 🔗

Look on the bright side – if all these children are ‘open and honest’ about their lives, and saying that they’re mixing with people from other households, then clearly many families don’t give a toss about the rules and no doubt this school will get very short shrift!

380417 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1233 of 2208 🔗


380434 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to vargas99, 5, #1234 of 2208 🔗

That was a Santana song – and a very good one at that.

380476 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1235 of 2208 🔗

Gold Star jh

380581 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to vargas99, #1236 of 2208 🔗

Santana – Carnaval / Let The Children Play – 7/2/1977 – Oakland Coliseum Stadium (Official) – YouTube

Starts at 2m53s. He hasn’t played it live in decades. But it’s super.

380515 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to jhfreedom, #1237 of 2208 🔗

And another good song

Galaxie 500 – Don’t Let Our Youth Go to Waste


380437 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1238 of 2208 🔗

Teachers in East Germany used to do exactly this.

380682 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tenchy, #1239 of 2208 🔗

I’m pretty sure it’s illegal for a school to refuse a place to a child because he/she or his/her parents are alleged to have been involved in illegal activities. Someone needs to remind her of this.

380371 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 29, #1240 of 2208 🔗

I´m optimistic about my prediction made last November that this will end in March. Even Newsom the Woke is opening restaurants in California next week. We need to remember that this is all nonsense based not on facts but emotion. I.e. not rationality at all. So this will end quite suddenly, and there will not be a rational explanation as to why the restrictions will be lifted. There is an element – also an irrational one – about the relationship of time with human life. Our senses become numb to the hysterical propaganda and in the end the zealots will be outnumbered by “normal” people. I think the stepping up of the hate propaganda against sceptics is a sign of despair among the fearful. This is their Ardenna moment. They know this is a losing battle but haven´t yet found a way out. The political effort is now on the exit. It seems that the vaccines are not the vehicle they had hoped for, so they will resort to lies, which is fine with me, their profession is about lying anyway. The Government will tell us in February that the cases are fewer and they will close the borders or quarantine people for a few weeks, and then in March they will tell us that there are so few cases that they are planning opening up in April. In May the zealots will have a hard time convincing anyone and in September everyone will remember having been sceptical all along. Mark my words.

380391 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to BJJ, 17, #1241 of 2208 🔗

I wish I could agree with you, but this hotel-quarantine-prison thing just doesn’t seem to me like the kind of operation you go to the trouble of setting up only to dismantle it again after a couple of months.

380412 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to mattghg, 9, #1242 of 2208 🔗

You mean like the Nightingales were that type of operation?

380427 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to vargas99, 14, #1243 of 2208 🔗

My point is exactly this: Do not expect rational behaviour. There is no logic only lies. So the driver for this to end is an emotional one.

380445 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to mattghg, 3, #1244 of 2208 🔗

I’m pretty confident that once everyone has been offered the vaccine you won’t need to quarantine… providing you have taken it of course and got proof with your vaccination card. Coercion.

380637 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mattghg, 2, #1245 of 2208 🔗

In Ireland, the wet that calls itself our leader has just extended restrictions until at least March 5th. This shitshow ain’t ending.

380728 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mattghg, 1, #1246 of 2208 🔗

It’s all going according to that leaked Canadian ‘plan’…

380779 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mattghg, #1247 of 2208 🔗

no , it’s the first step towards setting up the gulag, is what it is. ultimately, for the likes of us.

380392 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BJJ, 11, #1248 of 2208 🔗

I’m happy for your optimism, but I suspect it’s misplaced.

They have had plenty of time to wind this down, but they have continued to do the opposite.

380432 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to BJJ, 12, #1249 of 2208 🔗

An interesting take. Your timeline is too precise, but I agree with the sense that this will end because of forces on the ground, i.e. non-compliance. Netherlands riots are interesting though I’m not sure this is the ‘British way’. I think it will be the realisation that everyone is secretly meeting up etc. though anecdotally many who were prepared to meet up with us back in November have demurred this time around. Time x mental strain will weigh on people sure enough and more cracks will appear especially when the weather improves. Young people are meeting in our local woods to chat and probably other things too, who can blame them. For now, though, the polling is very pro-lockdown so officialdom is not letting go of the narrative. See the pushback against the school opening lobby.

380495 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #1250 of 2208 🔗

Holland remembers the Nazis ! The government drop a curfew onto the Dutch public , public says FUCK off with that, and they take to the streets to show what they think , government declares it’s just criminal acts not people fighting for their Freedom back !! WTF !

380512 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Boy, 13, #1251 of 2208 🔗

it’s just criminal acts”

So pretty much what the Nazis said.

380583 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1252 of 2208 🔗

By that logic then, the resistance in the UK will start in the Channel Islands.
I don’t see much sign of it.

380844 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1253 of 2208 🔗

The MSM seems to be implying that a ‘certain demographic’ is responsible for the violent rioting. But governments can’t openly criticise that, because they’ve been trying to cover up that sort of thing for so long.

380837 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1254 of 2208 🔗

I think the signs from the USA are encouraging, even though this is presumably being done to give the illusion of a ‘Biden Bounce’ and to associate the lockdowns with the Trump administration.

I agree also that it will be difficult to keep people indoors once the weather improves. Teens in my village are spending their evenings wandering the back lanes in the dark, in little groups, listening to music on their phones etc. It’s nice to see.

380545 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to BJJ, 10, #1255 of 2208 🔗

To take your analogy, the Ardennes did not end the War, nor did Germany find a way out of it. Even though Hitler had known all along that failure to get a quick win and the Caucasian oil in the East meant there was no path to victory. There was simply no way out except unconditional surrender, which was unthinkable, or running away, which was also unthinkable until long after it couldn’t be done successfully.

On that basis, you may be right. But I think there is a long struggle ahead. The regime is fighting a world war against reality, and it’s difficult to see how they can stop short of a vernichtungschlacht. There’s just no credible way to back out.

380849 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ovis, 2, #1256 of 2208 🔗

Good analysis. They certainly seem to be doing their best to create a Volksturmm (German Home Guard) of Covid fanatics who will challenge the mask exempt and snitch on neighbours etc.

380575 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to BJJ, 8, #1257 of 2208 🔗

Interesting. The restritions were imposed very suddenly and irrationally so I imagine the only way to back out is to lift them suddenly and irrationally. This whole charade has been characterised by irrationality anyway, I would not be surprised if you turned out to be correct.

380726 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to BJJ, 1, #1258 of 2208 🔗

Newsom is trying to avoid being recalled – his opponents are close to having the required number of signatures!

380389 DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 9, #1259 of 2208 🔗

Whilst it is great that Toby setup and has maintained LS, I am a regular listener to the London Calling podcast, the gap in the thinking of Toby & James (Delingpole) gets ever more huge.

Toby still says the current mess is due to government incompetence, whilst James Delingpole is behind the belief that the Great Reset is at the root of our predicament.

Maybe they are both wrong an aliens have left another galaxy and be arriving on earth shortly.

380394 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DoubtingDave, 8, #1260 of 2208 🔗

I am with Delingpole.

You dont have to ‘like’ him…I dont ‘like’ Trump particularly but I like what they stand for……..

380468 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1261 of 2208 🔗

I’m kind of in between the two of them (though I need to catch up on the latest couple of episodes). Generally enjoy the back and forth, though.

Delingpole’s just a little too far out for me, Young just a little too establishment and way too Trump derangement apologist.

But don’t get me wrong, they both make good points and I’d have both of them in the House of Lords along with Hitchens, to replace any couple of dozen lefty “Conservative” or Labour seat warmers, like a shot.

380503 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to jb12, 3, #1263 of 2208 🔗

There’s a Starman waiting in the sky, he’d like to come and meet us but he thinks he’d blow our minds..

380540 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jb12, 9, #1264 of 2208 🔗

Just remember that all the satellite dishes on this planet looking for intelligent life in the Universe are pointing away from Earth . 😉

380567 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1265 of 2208 🔗

Yeah, and all the nuclear weapons are pointing towards Earth.

380718 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jb12, 1, #1266 of 2208 🔗

Trump’s uncle was involved with Nikola Tesla, whose scientific papers ‘disappeared’ mysteriously after his death. There’s an FBI document that says that Tesla was a Venusian adopted by Yugoslav parents!!

380561 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DoubtingDave, 7, #1267 of 2208 🔗

I reckon that there are overlapping motivations – that ‘convergent opportunism’.

I have varied in terms of attributing the relative importance of the two poles – but they are not mutually exclusive.

The ‘follow the money’ scenario obviously holds good – that aspect of the pharmaceutical industry is well established, as is the role of major finance, as with the Bill Gates Foundation in terms of influence and corruption. It’s not even ‘sinister’. It’s just a fact, and pretty obvious in terms of influence on the WHO, academic institutions and individuals.

Similarly, the lack of quality in political placeholders is uncontroversial – unfortunately, it patently is a factor. Technological advance has not brought forward intellectual or moral progress, either in the representatives or the populations that elect them. The explosion in communications and access to information appears to have actually brought retardation.

All the Davos and WEF, Great Reset etc. stuff : well – that can all be linked back to those two issues – money combined with self-flattery, incompetence and self-serving power trips shaping group-think. You don’t need a Blofeld and turned-up collars in a darkened room.

380662 ▶▶ John P, replying to DoubtingDave, -1, #1268 of 2208 🔗

I am with Toby on this one. The nice thing is that they remain friends. James and Laura Perrins also disagree about “plandemic”, but again remain friends.

On these threads though people who don’t go along with the “plandemic” narrative are often regarded with suspicion, treated as pariahs and insulted.

I speak from bitter experience.

380396 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 81, #1269 of 2208 🔗

Bro just taken his old man down to M&S armed with WW2 cop this, dick at the door would not allow him in because it would “frighten” customers, would rather him go in bear faced..Bro held the line up for over an hour, customers getting involved in the argument with dick at the door..Bro accusing dick of discrimination in not allowing mask off choice now that South African stain was rampent and killing pets, some customers were in stiches accusing Bro of taking the piss..he finally got in with mask on. 😂 😂 😂

380404 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #1270 of 2208 🔗

I love these posts, some day they need to be collated into a book – long live the resistance.

380464 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Paulus, -6, #1271 of 2208 🔗

Yes, but a book of fiction. I have long since stopped believing any of your yarns.

380466 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Paulus, 11, #1272 of 2208 🔗

Bros old man had to go and wait in the car,he was pissed of with all the fucking about, but did laugh about it later..

380410 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1273 of 2208 🔗

I think I’m starting to feel sorry for M&S. Hahahahaha!

380426 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to GrannySlayer, 20, #1274 of 2208 🔗

This was a different one not the black out special,we don’t stick to the same location need to be savy..

380448 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1275 of 2208 🔗

Nice, keep ’em guessing! Lol.

380489 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1276 of 2208 🔗

‘killing pets’ ! 🙂

380499 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 14, #1277 of 2208 🔗

That came from the post on here yesterday about pets needing the jab.. take the piss expose it for what it is bullshit.

380505 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1278 of 2208 🔗

The problem is that events have become so f.ing surreal, in terms of the virus fantasies swallowed wholesale, that anything is now believable.

380543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to RickH, 12, #1279 of 2208 🔗

Bang on that’s the point, when put across by the MSM killing/injecting pets etc the fuckers swallow it all lock stock and barrel, but when a masked Bozo outside M & S says it they can’t stop laughing and piss there pants and see it for the Bollocks it is..

380614 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #1280 of 2208 🔗

Had me in stitches visualising this! You should tell us where you are going to do this so we could form an audience!

380399 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1281 of 2208 🔗

Staycations UK: Center Parcs, Haven and Butlins rocket in price for Easter | Daily Mail Online

So now i’ve got to pay through the roof for a shitty holiday in the UK. Where’s the great in the reset, where is the better in the build?

380444 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #1282 of 2208 🔗

It’s irrelevant. We will be locked down for Easter. Do you think they want hordes of people mixing and enjoying themselves on the nightly news? When is the penny going to drop for the zealots?

380449 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Achilles, 3, #1283 of 2208 🔗

I would have thought 2 years without a holiday would be the breaking point.

380501 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1284 of 2208 🔗

I was only talking about this Easter but as for your question I simply don’t know where anyone’s breaking point is any more. Mine is a distant memory.

380518 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1285 of 2208 🔗

well as none of the zealots will have worked for 2 years, I don’t suppose they really need a holiday

380807 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1286 of 2208 🔗

Lots of people had holidays last year, both in the UK and abroad.

I think the only thing that might cause people to get miffed is if furlough money ends, and there’s no sign of that happening.

If the government has any sort of long-term plan, I think it will be a gradual morphing of furlough into some sort of universal basic income until people no longer care that their jobs have disappeared and their new permanent occupation is to be Jim Royle watching tellie all day.

380599 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JHUNTZ, #1287 of 2208 🔗

Holiday rates all year round! Who said lockdowns were bad for business.

380679 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1288 of 2208 🔗

“Build Back better” doesn’t mean us plebs.

Weve got to learn to be satisfied with a lot, lot, lot less.

380420 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, -49, #1289 of 2208 🔗

This site is getting quite alarming by the number of people who don’t believe any infectious respiratory diseases exists. Thought this was an ojective fact based debating chamber!

380430 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 22, #1290 of 2208 🔗

What are you talking about? I haven’t seen anybody make such a claim.

380439 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 15, #1291 of 2208 🔗

No-one has. The nearest anyone gets is saying that there is no Pandemic. That is quite different and certainly up for debate.

380531 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Achilles, -15, #1292 of 2208 🔗

Well thats not strictly true. Some have implied infectious respiratory doesn’t exist by their opinions on a lower thread.

380644 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1293 of 2208 🔗

Some people – maybe. Not everyone.

380699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, -1, #1294 of 2208 🔗

Again that seems to be a case of taking my comment out of context, without careful consideration of what I actually said.

I didn’t assert “everyone” did. I said ‘the number of people’.

380709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, #1295 of 2208 🔗

Which thread are you referring to? The one where you advocate mandatory hotel quarantine?

Who denied the existence of infectious diseases in that thread? I can’t see a single example of that.

380772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -1, #1296 of 2208 🔗

I didn’t advocate anything! I asserted its a proven effective method of preventing infectious disease!

The only thing I actually said was i’m fedup with people whining about going on holiday especially when there’s a lot greater suffering caused by lockdowns.

If you go on holiday using unnatural methods of travel take responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

Any argument against quarantine is a dismissal of infectious disease & the harm caused to places that haven’t been exposed to that pathogen before.

With rights come responsibilities. If you don’t expect others to have rights, you can’t expect them either.

380811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1297 of 2208 🔗

Come on, this is just silly.

I disagree with you on the proportionally of hotel quarantine for UK arrivals. I do not believe that it passes a cost/benefit analysis in terms of economic or societal costs. I do not think that we should be throwing so much at trying to control COVID-19. I do not think that it is worth it.

Further, I think that owing to the way the UK supply chain is set up, exemptions for those carrying goods into the country, such as lorry drivers from Europe and air crews of freight aircraft etc, would be given. These people would enter and leave without quarantine. Therefore, I do not think the policy would be effective here in terms of preventing new variants from entering the country.

We clearly disagree on this proposed policy. That’s fine. To disagree is not to say that infectious diseases do not exist. It’s nothing of the sort.

380456 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1298 of 2208 🔗

Pardon? Has someone hacked your account?

380527 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Liam, -1, #1299 of 2208 🔗

What makes you think that?

380537 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1300 of 2208 🔗

The bizarre and totally ridiculous post, I presume!

380548 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1301 of 2208 🔗

That post just seemed really out of character for you. Who doesn’t believe respiratory infections exist?

380649 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, -1, #1302 of 2208 🔗

(Sigh) He’s entitled to his opinion! He doesn’t have to always conform to the majority view!

380751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, #1303 of 2208 🔗

I never suggested he does, he can say anything he likes as far as I’m concerned.

380663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Liam, -8, #1304 of 2208 🔗

Not if you read below.

Frankly i’m just getting sick of whiners bleat on about not being able to go on holiday for a few months, then use anti-science arguments to justify it.

There are a lot more important issues to debate & the number of thumbs down (as if i care) proves how many do think it doesn’t exist. A basic principle of science is nothing should be above critique, but its sounding like an echo chamber here with an unwillingness to accept different opinions which results in personal attacks.

It doesn’t help win any debate by asserting your right to do what you want & accept no personal responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

If you live in a society with the expectation rules & laws should exist to protect you or your property then you have an obligation too respect them & a duty to the welfare of others also.

I’d be happy to have no legislation or protectionism but then you can’t expect to have “rights” if you advocate law of the jungle.

380672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1305 of 2208 🔗

“the number of thumbs down (as if i care) proves how many do think it doesn’t exist.”

It proves nothing of the kind. That’s a fallacious argument.

380686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to LMS2, -4, #1306 of 2208 🔗

Hows that?

I’m using logic in my assertion because if you’ve gone to the trouble to thumb down my comment without scrolling down you wouldn’t know if my claim was true or not.

So basically the consensus is either a cult protectionism or bias (confirming my point).

380745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1307 of 2208 🔗

I’m not sure quite what’s got your goat so badly and you seem to be reading through a filter.

There have always been some here who are of the opinion that the virus is entirely or mostly a fiction. I think they’re wrong. From what I’ve seen, most here do. What number is “alarming”? You don’t have to read those posts.

There are any number of things for people to be glum about. One of them might well be how distant the prospect of a foreign holiday is. Speaking as someone who used to travel a lot for work, I miss it deeply, but I don’t think it’s among the most important issues or even top 20. Nonetheless, people have a right to vent – especially on the day that quarantine hotels are being mooted. You may not go on foreign holidays, but why does this mean that people can’t complain that they miss doing it? You can miss going on holiday _and_ think schools should reopen.

Finally, I don’t see the kind of anarcho-libertarianism here that you seem to see. There’s a legitimate argument that the rules introduced are nonsensical, damaging and ineffective. You might extrapolate from there that you shouldn’t have to abide by them. To the extent that they are destructive to the people you have responsibility for, I would argue that perhaps you have a duty not to follow them. This doesn’t equate to “asserting your right to do what you want and accept no responsibility for the consequences of your actions.”

I really don’t understand your point, except that it seems to be “I’m angry this afternoon and I’m not afraid to make sure you all know about it.”

380786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to matt, -3, #1308 of 2208 🔗

I’m angry at the personal abuse below. So i defend myself & quite rightly assert my dismay at denial of objective facts.

380746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Anti_socialist, #1309 of 2208 🔗

Ok, fair enough. I haven’t downvoted you btw I never do as a rule, if I disagree I either argue or ignore. And I usually like your comments just confused by that one. Zero hard feelings.

380648 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, #1310 of 2208 🔗

There’s a lot of paranoid people here!

380674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, -1, #1311 of 2208 🔗

There does seem to be, if the cap doesn’t fit they had no need to get upset.

380797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John P, #1312 of 2208 🔗

Yes, but most of them are government spies. 😉

380647 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, #1313 of 2208 🔗

Oh, I disagree with him, but he is still entitled to his opinions!

380509 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1314 of 2208 🔗

people are entitled to believe what they like. the majority of the population clearly believe any old bollox, so why can’t we. In any case, what we believe is entirely a matter of trust. very few of us have gone to work in our own microbiology labs and checked for ourselves what is and is not out there, so it comes down to how much we trust the establishment and what they tell us, and in my case that’s now down to less than zero – ie, whatever they say, the complete opposite is likely to be true

380532 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1315 of 2208 🔗

‘who don’t believe any infectious respiratory diseases exists’.

No mention of Covid19 I see so you’re covering your arse. My answer to your provocative rubbish would be that new and wonderful phrase:

Make Flu great again!

380687 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Harry hopkins, -2, #1316 of 2208 🔗

Obviously you don’t see.

380589 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1317 of 2208 🔗

Ashtavakra would say that nothing exists. 😉

380626 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1318 of 2208 🔗

I have yet to encounter anyone with such views.

380642 ▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1319 of 2208 🔗

There are few if any people here who deny the existence of infectious disease.

380665 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1320 of 2208 🔗


If you’re going to criticise, at least make it about something relevant and credible.

380790 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to LMS2, -1, #1321 of 2208 🔗

What’s rubbish?

380422 Nobody2021, 12, #1322 of 2208 🔗

Lockdown Logic

Zealot: Of course I acknowledge that lockdowns cause collateral damage. That’s why we need to do it more.

380425 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 15, #1323 of 2208 🔗

BBC teaching people how to drink water during one hour wellness course:


Please tell me this isn’t real.

I beg you.

380676 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1324 of 2208 🔗

That’s why we need to Defund the BBC – too much money is being wasted on crap like this.

380690 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1325 of 2208 🔗

Most of what “Learning & Development Managers” do in every organisation anywhere could be dispensed with tomorrow. It’s just organising people to go on courses so they can say they have done a course. If you put “Wellbeing” in there it is even more so.

380792 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to thinkaboutit, 1, #1326 of 2208 🔗

I’ve sometimes thought of starting a Facebook group about nothing whatsoever, couched in management gobbledegook, eg, ‘The Forward Group: dedicated to creating an interpersonalised, visionary worldview of like- minded game-changers’ or something like that.

I’d love to see if anyone would pay to join it.

380428 mj, replying to mj, 5, #1327 of 2208 🔗

for those of you with a hatred of BBC (dont all put your hands up at once), today on Radio 4 they presented a programme entitled “a year of misinformation” about the actions of their fact checkers and the wonderful Marianna Spring who has been so admired by viewers of this esteemed blog

380500 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mj, #1328 of 2208 🔗

Too little, far too late.

380521 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mj, 1, #1329 of 2208 🔗

Misinformation she would never have to look outside the BBC. The post box of fake news.

380550 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to mj, #1330 of 2208 🔗

Breathless already.

380431 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 7, #1331 of 2208 🔗

Wonder how long before they start paying for people to take the jab?

380471 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1332 of 2208 🔗
380435 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1333 of 2208 🔗

Global solidarity / vaccine equity. This tweet from W.H.O. chief Tedros makes it pretty clear that the pandemic will not be declared over until the entire world is vaccinated. If the vaccines provided protection against infection / transmission, this would not be necessary surely. So, what timeframe are we looking at here? Two years plus?

380442 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1334 of 2208 🔗

Lockdown is forever! On this line of thought, for every new virus there will be endless lockdowns!

380450 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheClone, 8, #1335 of 2208 🔗

Timeframe = forever indeed yes, and new ones for every new virus, until there is a new enlightenment in 1,000 years time

380453 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1336 of 2208 🔗

So as the vaccine only stops symptoms which you may not have, what’s the point, other than controls

380467 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1337 of 2208 🔗

It’s all a giant clinical trial. It may well prevent transmission, but this can’t be proven without getting it into the population and seeing what happens.

380603 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1338 of 2208 🔗

Isn’t it more reduce rather than stop?

380454 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1339 of 2208 🔗

The other countries are watching and waiting to see how much harm the vaccines do.

380460 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1340 of 2208 🔗

Maybe the rich countries are rolling them out first because they’re the only ones who can pay the prices that your untouchable friends in the pharma industry are selling their snake oil for. It’s not inequality, it’s greed, you disingenuous bastard. Our own government are paying £36 a shot. £36!

380480 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1341 of 2208 🔗

Xi’s puppet is doing all he can to impose the, “China Model,” globally.

380496 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1342 of 2208 🔗

Is he not in the Hague yet? Haven’t seen any updates on the accusations of genocide.

380635 ▶▶ John P, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1343 of 2208 🔗

“This tweet from W.H.O. chief Tedros makes it pretty clear that the pandemic will not be declared over until the entire world is vaccinated.”

I don’t think so. He can say what he likes, but he doesn’t rule the world. (And neither does anyone else!)

380660 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1344 of 2208 🔗

Notice he says “equity” not “equality”
Not the same thing.
I think it means that some people are more equal than others and they require reparations for something that someone did to someone else several hundred years ago….

380670 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1345 of 2208 🔗

What do you expect him to say when his major financial supporter has poured billions into the vaccine creation and distribution industry worldwide.

Bill wants his money back so he can buy up more of the world’s real estate to insulate him against the inflationary meltdown that we are facing..

380707 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1346 of 2208 🔗

Bill Gates has gone from a computer boffin whose software kept getting viruses, necessitating constant new updates/upgrades, to working with real viruses and vaccinations which also will require regular ‘updates’..

380463 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 36, #1347 of 2208 🔗

On the whole, I would say today’s news is positive. The UsForThem campaign will surely put pressure on the government to reopen the schools; the newly formed HART will supply the CRG group of Conservative MPs with high-quality scientific evidence with which to challenge SAGE; the riots in Holland will perhaps remind the government that people (particularly the young) will only be pushed so far. There was an article in The Telegraph today suggesting that even Whitty is starting to get nervous about the collateral damage. School closures represent the government’s/SAGE’s weakest spot at the moment – perhaps that’s where the pressure should now be applied. New fronts will open up once the economic damage becomes more apparent.

380777 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JamesM, 5, #1348 of 2208 🔗

Yes. I think it would be nice if we had a ‘reasons to be cheerful’ list each day on this site, with all the positive news of the day. ‘Positive’ is of course a relative term but I thnk most people would agree what is/is not positive. eg:

25 January: Anti-mask protest in Bangor. Anti-lockdown demonstrations in Eindhoven. HART committee formed. etc.

This would be helpful for those who are feeling downhearted and feeling that nobody is on their side.

380472 bebophaircut, 2, #1349 of 2208 🔗

For all the children in Limbo.

Limbo Rock:


380478 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 24, #1350 of 2208 🔗

Top rated ‘current affairs’ programs

Children of Men
Handmaids Tale
V for Vendetta
Clockwork Orange
Minority Report
They Live
Blade Runner
Logan s Run
1984 (Richard Burton version)
Dark City
Running Man
Escape From New York
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Demolition Man
Soylent Green
Minority Report
Brave New World
Truman Show
Blade Runner
Planet of the Apes
1980 version of Brave New World on youtube
Rik Mayall
s “one by one” youtube
Fahrenheit 451
The Hunger Games
Starship Troopers
Ender’s Game
Mortal Engines
Utopia (series – channel 4)
Porridge – The Movie (1979)
On the buses
Digby the worlds biggest dog

380484 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to steve_w, 8, #1351 of 2208 🔗

Truman show is exceptionally prophetic 👍

380485 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to steve_w, 3, #1352 of 2208 🔗

THX 1138

380486 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 1, #1353 of 2208 🔗

Digby the World’s Biggest Dog, lol

I remember that one, had 2 carry on cast members playing the main characters. Not sure why it’s on this list but a good family film.

380508 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1354 of 2208 🔗

Digby the worlds biggest dog , Sorry that was me being a bit silly.

380522 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Christopher, 1, #1355 of 2208 🔗

scared the shit out of me when I was 4

380539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to steve_w, 2, #1356 of 2208 🔗

Maybe it is predictive programming after all and Boris has a squadron of giant dogs ready to unleash on us all unless we behave ourselves . 😉

380549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Christopher, 1, #1357 of 2208 🔗

nothing would surprise me anymore

380490 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, 4, #1358 of 2208 🔗

We have been warned multiple times over the years.

380646 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1359 of 2208 🔗

Ah, but those are conspiracy theories.

Or science fiction stories.
Which are now coming true.
Less Star Trek, more Hunger Games.

380700 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to LMS2, 1, #1360 of 2208 🔗

At the Biden ‘installation’ a number of the main ‘players’ were dressed like the characters in The Hunger Games..

380492 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 5, #1361 of 2208 🔗

The Thing (John Carpenter version) for the mistrust

380504 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to steve_w, 12, #1362 of 2208 🔗

I’m surprised you missed Contagion (2011) off that list. It’s a god-awful movie, but it is step-by-step an exact account of what we have been living through. Only part which deviates from current affairs is that the virus is actually deadly in this movie .

380551 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to J4mes, #1363 of 2208 🔗


380593 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to J4mes, 3, #1364 of 2208 🔗

Yes, wasn’t it something like fatal to 1 in 8 or 1 in 12 of the world’s population, can’t remember exactly. Now that would be something to be worried about! But given the panic for the bat flu now, what on earth would they do if faced with something like that?

380511 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steve_w, 6, #1365 of 2208 🔗

I’d add Quatermass 4, Mad Max and the Hamburg Syndrome

380529 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to steve_w, 5, #1366 of 2208 🔗

Ooo just remembered a good one . If you really want to go out there try John Borman’s 1974 dystopia classic ” Zardoz ” starring Sean Connery , running round in a red thong for most of the film shooting people with a Webley revolver . It’s totally mental but full of esoteric and masonic coding . Also has lovely old Ludvig Van for the soundtrack .

380534 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to steve_w, 5, #1367 of 2208 🔗

I think Elysium is proving most prophetic. We’re all been turned into serfs, whilst the richest 0.1% will be living in security, if not a space station an island somewhere.

380655 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #1368 of 2208 🔗

If the 0.1% all lived on a space station, it could at least be nuked out of existence, or simply cut off from Earth so they all starve…

380546 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1369 of 2208 🔗

I’ll add new suggestions into a ‘master list’ 🙂

did Z for Zacharia ever get made into a film? I loved the book at school

380767 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, #1370 of 2208 🔗

It was made into a BBC Play for Today and also a Hollywood film in 2015

380613 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to steve_w, 3, #1371 of 2208 🔗

“Invasion of the Body Snatchers” for sure, given the unthinking conformity of the great bulk of the population.

380755 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, #1372 of 2208 🔗

‘One by One’ is a weird one. Rik Mayall was a very popular actor and I was quite surprised that he took a starring role in a low budget film with a depopulation conspiracy as the plot. Wonder what his fellow luvvies made of that!

380513 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #1373 of 2208 🔗

This just out.

380519 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1374 of 2208 🔗

‘deaths’ has peaked – and the delay between infection to death implies its false positives

380541 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonny S., #1376 of 2208 🔗

I had a look at this this morning. Its all a bit mucked about by christmas

380566 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jonny S., #1377 of 2208 🔗

I was out by over 100; I guessed 1,200 to 1,500 earlier today. Thanks Jonny.

380570 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1378 of 2208 🔗

“1631 DIED YESTERDAY AND THEY WANT SCHOOLS TO OPEN” -tomorrow’s newspaper headline?

380607 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1379 of 2208 🔗

so average for this time of year then.

380625 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Achilles, #1380 of 2208 🔗

Probably lower as the yearly average is 1600.

380643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, 4, #1381 of 2208 🔗

Over 2,000 people typically die every day in January.

380669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Liam, 1, #1382 of 2208 🔗

Thanks Liam, I didn’t know it was as many as that.

380706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to John P, 1, #1383 of 2208 🔗

The 1600 a day figure is a good average, it’s a good bit lower in June or July. Nearly 74,000 people died in the UK in January 2018.

380678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Liam, 4, #1384 of 2208 🔗

Exactly and let’s be honest no one who didn’t personally know these cared until it was politically expedient to care – why reduce the ICU beds from 300,000 to 120,000 if the give a damn about the sick? As expected, they’re talking on the briefing about the next pandemic which they have planned for the destruction of our economy and to asset strip all of us!

380983 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, #1385 of 2208 🔗

Why not? They weren’t all teachers were they?

380516 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1386 of 2208 🔗

Meet the ghoul that is marianna sprint bbc disinformation special reporter – image.


380536 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 1, #1387 of 2208 🔗

No surprise.

These evil hypocrites receive enormous dopamine hits and psycho-sexual thrills from trolling the rest of society in this fashion.

380523 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1388 of 2208 🔗

Just bloody look at it (the graphic)!


The UK has officially surpassed 100,000 coronavirus deaths since the pandemic began, according to Government figures.
In total, 100,162 people have died [ for any reason ] within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test as of Tuesday, surpassing yet another grim milestone. Only the United States, Brazil, India and Mexico have reported a higher coronavirus death toll.

380530 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1389 of 2208 🔗

Is that excess deaths ie over the 600,000 yearly average?

380622 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, #1390 of 2208 🔗

You know it’s not. Tenchy explained it well enough:

“In total, 100,162 people have died [ for any reason ] within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test …”

380538 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Tenchy, 1, #1391 of 2208 🔗

Nice bit of selective editing on the graph.

380552 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1392 of 2208 🔗

Hysterical, melodramatic rubbish.

380612 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1393 of 2208 🔗

Well – this sort of stuff would convince me – were I a dishonest c*** – to start up a telephone scam. There’s obviously enough gullibles around to provide an income.

380535 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1394 of 2208 🔗

The riots in Holland made the DM

380553 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 20, #1395 of 2208 🔗

Here’s a heart warming video from Holland, if you like to see the police nervous and on the back foot. I wonder how the crowd spotted the agent provocateurs? Couldn’t be because they were muzzled by any chance?


380556 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 12, #1396 of 2208 🔗

Brilliant spot by the crowd.

380597 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to leggy, 13, #1397 of 2208 🔗

It does give me a warm feeling to see them get a taste of what they dish out especially seeing them run away like cowards.

380671 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to leggy, 8, #1398 of 2208 🔗

I suspect the masks gave them away as from the looks of it none of the protesters were masked up.

Couldn’t understand what the protesters were saying but definitely could hear the sniggers and name calling.

380560 isobar, replying to isobar, 7, #1399 of 2208 🔗
380568 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to isobar, 28, #1400 of 2208 🔗

Very interesting comment underneath:

“Talking to a retired magistrate this morning. He laughed when I mentioned these fines. He said not only is there a huge backlog in higher priority cases that will take years to clear but he says the fines are questionable on many levels and it will take many challenges to sort the legality of the fines and whether they can even be enforced. Then if you’re poor has to be taken into account and affordability checks made. This might explain why to date no politians have been fined like corbyn or cummings. This smells like a tactic nothing more to scare the public to obey the rules.”

380571 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1401 of 2208 🔗

I keep asking on these forums, but has ANYONE challenged a fine and had their day in court yet?

380574 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #1402 of 2208 🔗

Keep asking – because there are so many comments, they disappear too quickly down the page. Repeat yourself! Nobody minds, so long as the message gets through.

380617 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1403 of 2208 🔗

I’d really like to know this also, might come in useful!

380712 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1404 of 2208 🔗

I will make enquiries with a friend. Her two daughters received a fine a piece on one of the London marches. They said they were going to refuse to pay.

380723 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1405 of 2208 🔗

Last time I did a search for actual prosecutions under Covid rules, only one case came up, in the Isle of Man, and that’s a different kettle of fish.

If there were any court cases where an actual prosecution occurred, we would definitely hear about them because it would be good propaganda.

This leads me to several conclusions:

  1. That FPNs are being issued, and people are paying the fines rather than go to court.
  2. That FPNs are being issued, but people are not paying them and they are not going to court yet for some reason – either a backlog or lack of grounds for prosecution
  3. That FPNs are being issued, people are not paying them, and cases are going to court and being thrown out, and this is not being reported by the MSM.
380800 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1406 of 2208 🔗

People are being sent to jail in Ireland for breaches. Court cases occur within 48 hours. Strangely enough, someone who bit off another person’s ear lobe in a fight got a suspended sentence.

380874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1407 of 2208 🔗

It would be worth a suspended sentence to bite off … some people’s earlobes … though the taste would be foul.
Or can we sentence … some people .. to be suspended?

380578 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1408 of 2208 🔗

Corbyn fined for what? For allowing the postal votes to be counted illegally in favour of the Tories in the last election? Some people really do deserve the shit about to hit the fan..

380610 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 2, #1409 of 2208 🔗

Fined for his dinner party of 7 back in the days when we could still meet up.

380638 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1410 of 2208 🔗

Ffs – so you believe the crap you’re fed in the MSM? Good luck with that..

380664 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jos, 2, #1411 of 2208 🔗

Does he mean Piers not Jeremy?

380588 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #1412 of 2208 🔗

Totally agree. Might be a good defence if threatened with a FPN to say “that’s a very nice haircut that you have officer, where and when did you have it done?”

380594 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1413 of 2208 🔗

Yes – that corresponds with an objective appraisal of the absurd reality.

380735 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1414 of 2208 🔗

Keep running up the backlog of fines.

Absolutely perfect means of legal, sand-in-the-gears resistance.

380871 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1415 of 2208 🔗

All Covvi fines will be cancelled before long, and all those who were intimidated enough to actually pay will get refunds.It’ll take time to sort them all, but it will happen.

380590 ▶▶ leggy, replying to isobar, 4, #1416 of 2208 🔗

Bottom of the same news article has “London’s finest” busting a baby shower too.

380596 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to leggy, 3, #1417 of 2208 🔗

Hope that their haircuts were all in order!

380562 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 18, #1418 of 2208 🔗

My wife always switches off adverts that are appeals for mistreated animals and I now switch off anything by the NHS, especially the ‘look into their eyes’ nonsense.

380564 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 8, #1419 of 2208 🔗

Ditto, the mute button on the remote is well used in my household.

380565 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #1420 of 2208 🔗

Official looking vaccine endorsement/propaganda from Twitter (suggested in my web browser on the right hand side while viewing a covid related Tweet – I don’t have an account).
It’s a big fat misrepresentation of the reality


This morning
Vaccines can have side effects, but they are expected and not dangerous
According to health experts, there could be regular side effects expected after a vaccination, such as muscle aches. But similar to other types of vaccines, COVID-19 vaccines undergo trials and testing involving thousands of volunteers to make sure they are safe before being approved.

380692 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 3, #1421 of 2208 🔗

Tell that to the relatives of the 53 people who’ve died post-vaccine in Gibraltar..

380741 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 2, #1422 of 2208 🔗

Some people will die, but it’s only to be expected. So it’s not dangerous.

380569 Banjones, 8, #1423 of 2208 🔗

I had to have a break from the whole madness – so just spent today sorting photos from days long ago – actually the late 90s!
I thought I’d come back and read some informed opinion now. In the hope I’ll be able to sleep tonight.

380576 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #1424 of 2208 🔗

Reporter in the BBC just said that 90% of the 100,000 deaths are proved to be caused BY Covid. Where would he have got that from?

380579 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to SilentP, 6, #1425 of 2208 🔗

He got it from the ‘talking points’ list, with which he is probably issued on a daily basis by his line manager.

380582 ▶▶ leggy, replying to SilentP, 3, #1426 of 2208 🔗

That’s clearly bollocks.

380587 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to SilentP, 10, #1427 of 2208 🔗
 On the Ning Nang Nong 
Where the Cows go Bong! 
and the monkeys all say BOO! 
There's a Nong Nang Ning 
Where the trees go Ping! 
And the tea pots jibber jabber joo.

Spike Milligan
380604 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to SilentP, 3, #1428 of 2208 🔗

Very simply, a lie.

380611 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to SilentP, 1, #1429 of 2208 🔗

His arse.

380615 ▶▶ John P, replying to SilentP, 4, #1430 of 2208 🔗

Why are you still listening to the BBC?

380633 ▶▶ matt, replying to SilentP, 3, #1431 of 2208 🔗

By as opposed to from. You could argue that everything we’re being put through could be said to be a slow “death by Covid”. Even if none of us ever get the disease.

380577 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 10, #1432 of 2208 🔗

Interesting. Again from the ONS.


There is currently more people dying involving respiratory disease than those involving covid.

Are masks killing people?

Genuine question.

380586 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jonny S., #1433 of 2208 🔗

I’m guessing that you could have all three mentioned on a death certificate and fall under each category?

380598 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to leggy, 4, #1434 of 2208 🔗

Yes you’re right.

There’s something about these figures that’s doin’ me ‘ead in but I’m off home for tea now, so I’ll just have to leave saving the nation from the clutches of an invisible enemy up to Boris.

380616 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1435 of 2208 🔗


380708 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1436 of 2208 🔗

“Note: deaths may be counted in more than one cause category, for example a death may have an underlying cause of COVID-19 but also have influenza and pneumonia mentioned as a contributory cause of death.”

So, as far as I can tell this report conveys little useful information as we don’t know the overlapping counts.

380756 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Andy Riley, #1437 of 2208 🔗

Do they then count as having died twice? That could be the next strategy for hiking the number of ‘excess’ deaths…

380798 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Carrie, 2, #1438 of 2208 🔗

Carrie, if I swim to Sweden and claim asylum, will they let me in?

381022 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Carrie, #1439 of 2208 🔗

Unfortunately I cannot remember the details but a relative said to me the other day that he’d read an article in The Times which explained how official covid death figures are compiled: they consolidate ‘deaths where covid19 is deemed to be the primary cause of death recorded on the death certificate, and deaths where covid19 is mentioned on the death certificate’. As my relative said, might that not suggest that they could well be double counting? I have to say that wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

380580 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 28, #1440 of 2208 🔗

Johnson starting with his piss poor Churchill impression. What a prick!

Whitty with the slides. Everything is still “incredibly high”.

Lying bastard is still using the ‘reported’ death figures.

Simon Stevens licking Boris’s arse, thanking him for everything he has done.

Then onto questions.

What’s the point of this whole charade?

380592 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1441 of 2208 🔗

So keep sharing what Wittery said back in May – which he doesn’t seem to have retracted.


380602 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1442 of 2208 🔗

Jim hacker sprung to mind
The whole point is fear propaganda.
The 100,000 figure is not qualified.With Covid not of.

380658 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1443 of 2208 🔗

Not even demonstrably with Covid.

380683 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ossettian, #1444 of 2208 🔗

I stand corrected

380608 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1445 of 2208 🔗

The point? Vanity, and perpetuating the state of emergency life

“Incredibly high” I wish I was as clever as Whitty so I could use precise, scientific language like that with confidence

380619 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1446 of 2208 🔗

Never was so much f*cked up for so many by so few…with apologies to Churchill for paraphrasing.

380623 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1447 of 2208 🔗

My blood pressure and anger is also incredibly high!

380645 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1448 of 2208 🔗

Can’t watch it at all now

380659 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1449 of 2208 🔗

I would only watch it to record how many times Whitty blinks with one of those clicky things they use to count traffic.

380691 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1450 of 2208 🔗

Prefer my journalism from an objective source

380698 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Paulus, 7, #1451 of 2208 🔗

The BBC have a new presenter?

380696 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1452 of 2208 🔗

Have never watched it.

380680 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 24, #1453 of 2208 🔗

In a fit of madness I turned the ‘shit show’ on for a brief moment and caught Chris Whitty declaring self-righteously, in response to some question about a forecast of ‘covid’ deaths, that he didn’t like to put figures on future events! Since when? Haven’t they been doing that right from the beginning? Presumably he is simply trying to avoid being taken to task in the future for getting it wrong yet again.

380864 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #1454 of 2208 🔗

So they didn’t like it when Pantsdown put figures on future events?

380684 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1455 of 2208 🔗

What was the point of the thing today? Just to tell us how high everything still is (I assume they ignored “cases”, which have actually fallen “incredibly” fast over the last few days). Or did they announce anything significant?

380781 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, #1456 of 2208 🔗

I don’t suppose they ever give the all-causes daily death toll, so we could see what are excess deaths??

380591 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #1457 of 2208 🔗

Does anyone else have problems with the page defaulting to ”oldest” so that any answers to comments are lost in the mists of time?

380600 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Banjones, 7, #1458 of 2208 🔗

As far as I am aware it has always done that.

You need to click on “Newest” at the top right of the comments area.

380601 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Banjones, #1459 of 2208 🔗


380606 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Banjones, #1460 of 2208 🔗

Go down thread about an hour and there’s a clear explanation of how to view your posting history plus responses.

380631 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Banjones, #1461 of 2208 🔗

You see right at the top of the comments? Right under where it currently says “1.3k comments” is a small icon of a cartoon head and shoulders, to the left of the lightning 🌩 and flame 🔥 icons. If you click on that you can see your past comments and view them. Hope that helps.

380673 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Banjones, #1462 of 2208 🔗


380730 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Banjones, #1463 of 2208 🔗

Yes, it’s annoying. I’d prefer a good old fashioned telnet talker where we could log on and chat properly.

380595 The Covid Kid, 26, #1464 of 2208 🔗

This should proceed all future press briefings…

380609 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 81, #1465 of 2208 🔗

I have cut myself off from all my former friends and colleagues. They are all Covidians. I will not return to the pub if it opens, again mostly Covidians

I cannot bear to be in the company of a Covidian. They are collaborators. They have collaborated with a regime that locked me up, and locked up my OH and our children and grandchildren

The Covidians have connived in the deaths of countless thousands

The Covidians even consented to the abuse of their own children

How could I bear to be in the company of such evil people

I feel no sense of remorse or regret

On the bright side, the OH and all the family know this bullshit for what it is

380630 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1466 of 2208 🔗

I’m with you Cecil B

380934 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1467 of 2208 🔗

Me too!

381121 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to isobar, 5, #1468 of 2208 🔗

And me. If this ever ends there can still be no return to old normal because there will be so few people with whom we’ll want to spend any time. It’s going to be a lonely world. Unless we all club together and buy an island for exiled sceptics to live on. The Isle of Dissent has a nice ring to it, don’t you think?

380641 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1469 of 2208 🔗

That’s something at least.

380656 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1470 of 2208 🔗

Hear, hear. At least you have your family.

380688 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1471 of 2208 🔗

Same thing where I work.

I’ve started work from home because I’d rather avoid the Covidians and there propaganda, even though the lack of socialization is bad for my mental health.

380859 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1472 of 2208 🔗

It’s only a few hours” journey from me to thee, Cecil. Other sceptics are not far away, either. Some may be very close, but under cover as yet.
New friendships will arise among the sane.

380620 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 17, #1473 of 2208 🔗

I see Pointless is on both BBC1 and BBC2!

380634 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Margaret, 1, #1474 of 2208 🔗

So is BBC1 and BBC2
I rarely watch either.

380853 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 2, #1475 of 2208 🔗

We mildly enjoy the quiz.But it’s sad to see all those amiable contests talking confidently about what they plan to do in the future – the future that has since been deleted,

380636 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 3, #1476 of 2208 🔗

Had to laugh – I was just about to post something similar about ‘Pointless Mark 2’.

Serious question : What is Mr Toad FOR? I can’t find any evolutionary rationale except as an illustration of a dead end.

380653 ▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Margaret, 1, #1477 of 2208 🔗

Summarises the BBC quite well I think. Pointless & Worthless.
Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

380694 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Margaret, #1478 of 2208 🔗

Good one.

380628 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 68, #1479 of 2208 🔗

Does anyone feel the policies enacted by the government are so nasty and draconian we are under military occupation by a hostile government.

380632 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ianric, 39, #1480 of 2208 🔗


Said as much to my sister about five minutes ago.

The government is at war with its own citizens, using psychological warfare.

380887 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to LMS2, 3, #1481 of 2208 🔗

I like the way you put this… I have just had a text from a friend who believes in lockdowns: ‘ it’s all bad news but not as bad as World War 1 or 2” I find this comparison really irritating.

380910 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 5, #1482 of 2208 🔗

Absolutely and that’s why the protagonists should be tried for crimes against humanity, because that is what they are complicit in. That a government should terrorise its own people along the lines suggested by SAGE (increase the threat) would have been unimaginable this time last year.

380639 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ianric, 5, #1483 of 2208 🔗

Have you only just got to that realization?

380722 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 9, #1484 of 2208 🔗

In fairness Rick, what is being enacted against the public is of such enormity that people can’t take it in.

380863 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to RickH, 1, #1485 of 2208 🔗

I have always felt the government have declared war against us.

380650 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ianric, 12, #1486 of 2208 🔗

Actually worse if you ask me. Not that I’ve been under occupation, but as I understand it, you could still visit a pub, shop, restaurant or a friend.

380657 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 16, #1487 of 2208 🔗

And also that your fellow countrymen were on your side.

380803 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to kh1485, 4, #1488 of 2208 🔗

Also, children were evacuated because they were seen as most vulnerable and precious. No such common sense in this current scenario.

380652 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Ianric, 22, #1489 of 2208 🔗

The Germans didn’t treat the people of the Channel Islands anywhere near as badly as we are being treated.

380924 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ossettian, #1490 of 2208 🔗

Nor are Prisoners of War.

380666 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ianric, 8, #1491 of 2208 🔗

If the UN was a world government, that would explain why their troops have blue helmets – they don’t need camouflage as it will not be other nations they fight, but the public who will be their enemy.

380693 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ianric, 14, #1492 of 2208 🔗

Yes. It has been obvious since the autumn, when they shifted from ‘gradually getting back to normal’ to ‘the second wave is coming’ nonsense. As far as I am concerned, war was declared on the British people when the tier system was introduced.

380715 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1493 of 2208 🔗

Difficult to place a firm point in time – but the gradual accumulation of Scary Fairy fantasies became obvious to anyone who was awake – from ‘second wave’ to ‘ninja variant’.

380744 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 12, #1494 of 2208 🔗

Compulsory masks in shops (24 July?) was for me the first indication that things weren’t quite going back to normal as expected.

380773 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1495 of 2208 🔗

For me, it was before that, i.e. the beginning of the first lockdown.

Not sure why.
Perhaps it was just not being able to get a proper sense of how bad the virus was, there was too much conflicting information. Little made sense.

381033 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1496 of 2208 🔗

4th of July.


380758 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 4, #1497 of 2208 🔗

23 March.Those events are just points that woke people to the new reality.My turning point when it became obvious was the Leicester local lockdown.That was a new system of repression being tried out and was then rolled out across the country.

380839 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1498 of 2208 🔗

They did several pilots 1. Slovakia mass testing 2. Victoria – ring of steel 3. Wales – Essential/ Non essential

380764 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1499 of 2208 🔗

It was obvious back last spring, when they imposed the first lockdown, and said there’d be no return to normal, there’d be a new normal.

So it’s not like they didn’t warn us.

381223 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1500 of 2208 🔗

It was all planned years ago – very few if any of the last ten years’ elections weren’t rigged.

380714 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ianric, 3, #1501 of 2208 🔗

Yes definitely

380738 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ianric, 11, #1502 of 2208 🔗

We were subject to a coup on March 23.All the restrictions flow from that fact.Once you realise that then everything makes sense

380917 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ianric, 3, #1503 of 2208 🔗

There is no other way to describe it, parliament are now irrelevant.

380920 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ianric, 2, #1504 of 2208 🔗

Yes. Undoubtedly yes. And it’s so alien to the majority of the population that it could possibly happen – here, by our own government – that they can get away with it.

381168 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ianric, #1505 of 2208 🔗

This was exactly the sentiment expressed by our prayer group last week.

380640 alw, replying to alw, 28, #1506 of 2208 🔗

Talk Radio censoring Peter Hitchens…what is gong on? Listen on YouTube and censored clip.

Peter Hitchens;

”There’s an awful lot of people in government it seems to me who would want to prevent that from happening. And who knows what leaks about new, alien viruses will come out in the next few weeks?

I also find this whole atmosphere being created by the current wave of government propaganda…” look into the eyes of this person, can you truly say”…. it’s quite rude; say what you like about the British population‘s attitude towards this, there is no doubt that millions of people have put themselves through a great deal of inconvenience and unpleasantness because they believe they are doing good today to their fellow creatures by staying inside and not going out and not mixing.

” and to respond to this by a barrage of propaganda saying “ Watch out Au you will kill this person“ seems to me to be just wrong.”

380677 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 5, #1507 of 2208 🔗

“new alien viruses ”

Has Hitchens got wind on the grapevine of something coming up?

380736 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to rockoman, 8, #1508 of 2208 🔗

Has Hitchens got wind on the grapevine of something coming up?

No, he has just read the next chapter in the fairy story.

Don’t worry, all fairly stories end up living happily ever after. (not a great enthusiast for emoticons, but if there were any on this site I would probably use one here)

381218 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Old Bill, #1509 of 2208 🔗

Pigs flying or pie in the sky emojis?

380894 ▶▶ isobar, replying to alw, 1, #1510 of 2208 🔗

This is a total disgrace, I had hoped that TalkRadio would be a bastion of balance in providing a platform for an alternative viewpoint, but no, they have obviously been got at. The banning, albeit temporary, from you tube was obviously a shot across the bows. We should all be very worried.

381103 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to isobar, #1511 of 2208 🔗

I have always wondered how Talkradio and Times Radio coexist, given the shared ownership and the considerably left of centre stance of the newspaper arm.

381197 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, #1512 of 2208 🔗

Politico on Youtube is playing the part that was cut out.

380651 alw, replying to alw, 75, #1513 of 2208 🔗

Excellent comment from a frontline doctor in Torygraph

richard peterson
26 Jan 2021 1:36PM
As a medical doctor who has been on the front line for nearly a year I can tell you this is a complete waste of time. The epidemic was over 10 months ago .This January we are seeing a winter surge of an endemic virus. It will recur next winter but on a lesser scale due to herd immunity from the millions who have had it and vacciantion.
The government needs to start lifting this insane lockdown now before the country is totally destroyed. Locking people up in travelodge for 2 weeks is nuts.”


380668 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to alw, 15, #1514 of 2208 🔗

They ought to give the guy a column and nuke Nuki.

380675 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1515 of 2208 🔗


380927 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to alw, #1516 of 2208 🔗


380907 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, #1517 of 2208 🔗

No way that’s real

380681 Polonium1806, 7, #1518 of 2208 🔗

Wait a second, last data tell us that supposedly 1.58% of UK’s population got covid right now(and it is mega crisis apparently). If I’m not mistaken 98.42% does not have it. How they can push such a restrictive health measures on people that are not ill? And where all these pos tests come from when almost no one got it? I Am Not Sick!

380685 Liam, replying to Liam, 12, #1519 of 2208 🔗

Some background to what’s happening in Holland. The politicians rubbed people’s noses in it and are paying for it now.


380724 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Liam, 14, #1520 of 2208 🔗

“There is certainly much cause for reflection here, not least by the people holding the power and calling the shots. They have destroyed people’s livelihoods and they have taken away their freedom. Extraordinary times or not, they should expect to be held accountable.”

Not just the Dutch government.
Governments around the world have turned into dictatorships with little resistance.
I’m surprised those of student age haven’t protested more than they have, seemingly preferring more “progressive” causes like BLM and XR.
They should be out on the streets, protesting against this government that’s ruined their futures.

380902 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to LMS2, #1521 of 2208 🔗

It shows how powerful fear is. When that fear wears off…

380689 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #1522 of 2208 🔗

best Zero Covid and Great Reset Strategy – kill all people and the virus will disappear!

380695 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheClone, 1, #1523 of 2208 🔗

Christ man, you’re forgetting the bats and pangolins! *loads blunderbuss*

380705 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1524 of 2208 🔗

And all farm animals. Can’t have them farting and causing global warming….

380717 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to LMS2, 2, #1525 of 2208 🔗

Take my tip, forget bitcoin, invest in butt plugs.

380701 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1526 of 2208 🔗

Anything happening in the Netherlands this evening? Any live feeds?.

380743 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1527 of 2208 🔗

RuptlyTV has been streaming in YT

380702 TheClone, 9, #1528 of 2208 🔗

Just in case, IATA is launching a digital travel pass
This is the first step to health discrimination! You could travel with any other transmissible illness but not with covid!

380710 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 16, #1529 of 2208 🔗

1600 Covid deaths today. Is there another parliamentary vote coming up?

Sorry, but HSE were caught mis-allocating causes of death months ago. That’s when the 28 day limit was brought in across England. Is the ‘death within 28 days of positive test’ regime any better? We shall never know. What we can justifiably believe, bearing this in mind and the PCR false positive phenomenon, is that the count of Covid deaths is habitually exaggerated. You might say, institutionally exagerrated.

This gov