2021-01-27

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381538 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 45, #1 of 2018 🔗

27th Janaury Does anyone have any more information?

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open – I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/
https://t.me/thegreatreopening
30th January there is a call for British pubs, restaurants, hospitality to reopen. Just like Italian restaurant and bars are doing
Who’s prepared to fight for their livelihood?
More importantly who’s going to get off their backsides & support them?
You want your pubs back, your social lives…take them!!!

#Reopen #Pubs #restaurants #

381544 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #2 of 2018 🔗

Lockdown Measures In Spain, Denmark And The Netherlands Bring Citizens Out In Protest | CRUX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmewEVzjOJQ
Several European countries have imposed fresh restrictions or tightened the COVID-19 preventive measures after the New Year. This has sparked violent protests in Denmark, the Netherlands and Spain.

381545 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #3 of 2018 🔗

Shock Poll Reveals HUGE Support For Trump Patriot Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT7VkPv9RSk

381770 ▶▶ alw, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #4 of 2018 🔗

The problem with the White Rose campaign is that the details are on Telegram which I and many others do not wish to sign up to. They need to have another platform to make the reopening a roaring success.

383089 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to alw, #5 of 2018 🔗

Try gab

382189 ▶▶ blackhorse, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #6 of 2018 🔗

I am very interested in the – Great Reopening – but it is very difficult to get details and information. Telegram does not work for me.

The YouTube video is helpful – and advises that there are info on local businesses (in each area) which will open on the 30th – and asking for support for them – but impossible to find this info ??

Really need some better comms on this – if you want support !!

382199 ▶▶ blackhorse, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #7 of 2018 🔗

How do we access more information on businesses which will take part in the Reopening on the 30yh ?

382212 ▶▶ blackhorse, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #8 of 2018 🔗

All businesses are essential to someone

382847 ▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #9 of 2018 🔗

I was just reading about the summer festival season and how organizers have a mid-March deadline before they have to move or cancel events – but the main sticking point seems to be, as it was for our nursery last year, and discharges into care homes – insurance. I’m wondering if this is why Glasto was cancelled again, why there is so much enthusiasm for Gov restrictions and why lockdown skeptics are not cutting through the hysteria- businesses cannot get their losses back from insurance companies if restrictions are voluntary or ‘act of god’, but if the Gov mandate it, the Treasury must cover it. Is this response really all just about insurance?

383478 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #10 of 2018 🔗

👍🏼 …. but don’t hold your breath. They’re still crashing through hedges when they see me coming sans mask.

383570 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to James Leary #KBF, #11 of 2018 🔗

Maybe you could ring a bell and yell „unclean! Unclean“ as you go along the sidewalk? 😛

381539 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #12 of 2018 🔗

Fauci Fiddling With His Mask

Tony Heller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jh_qRhhGw&list=WL&index=23
Dr. Fauci fiddling with his mask, potentially spreading a deadly virus all over the White House press room.

381581 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #13 of 2018 🔗

This on TOP of his well-received performance at that ball game, a few months back.
Highest-paid public servant, folks.
Yup.
Worth every penny.

382664 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #14 of 2018 🔗

Biden doing pretty much the same within this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6yyuJGspM

381541 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #15 of 2018 🔗

Welsh Police Threaten Local Dairy Farm Customers With Fines If They Don’t Use The Supermarket

https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f926-200d-2642-fe0f.svg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9SmZ94xL8&list=WL&index=24
WE GOT A PROBLEM

381758 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #16 of 2018 🔗

Non compliance should be our motto. Take our lives back!

383109 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #17 of 2018 🔗

Again…80 customers with pitchforks and shovels will put a stop to that

381542 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #18 of 2018 🔗

Lockdown Measures In Spain, Denmark And The Netherlands Bring Citizens Out In Protest | CRUX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmewEVzjOJQ
Several European countries have imposed fresh restrictions or tightened the COVID-19 preventive measures after the New Year. This has sparked violent protests in Denmark, the Netherlands and Spain.

381543 Lockdown Sceptic, #19 of 2018 🔗

ACE OF SPADES” on the 3-String Shovel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tAEAyHgCec

381546 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #20 of 2018 🔗

Peter Hitchens has been censored by Talk Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iST-7dtaIlg
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Global leaders have sent enough hints that they don’t trust Joe Biden

TFIglobal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrjavn-N-g&list=WL&index=23

Joe Biden, within a week of assuming the White House, has angered every single US ally. Watch how.

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Murder Rates SURGE Across the Nation as Democrat Controlled Cities IMPLODE!!!

Dr. Steve Turley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyvzkdCWiik&list=WL&index=22
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Democracy Dies In Fake News

Tony Heller

Documenting yet another year of fake news and Doublespeak from the Washington Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S7qU6htYQ8&list=WL&index=21

382295 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #21 of 2018 🔗

Yes, but Orange Man Bad!!!

381549 Ed Phillips, 2, #22 of 2018 🔗

It’s crazy.

381550 Annie, replying to Annie, 76, #23 of 2018 🔗

Bloody stupid headline this morning.Is this Lockdown Sceptics, or the Daily Express?

381553 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 17, #24 of 2018 🔗

It’s shocking.

381582 ▶▶ TC, replying to Annie, 36, #25 of 2018 🔗

If I was paranoid, I would wonder if this site was morphing into a “come on” site to attract people who were Government critics for surveillance and bending purposes.
Lucky that I’m not a paranoid then.

382416 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TC, 3, #26 of 2018 🔗

I’ve started to think this of late. I must be mentally-ill as well.

381608 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Annie, 65, #27 of 2018 🔗

I largely come here for the BTL commentary. Far more inspiring than the main updates these days. Something has rattled the editorial team, perhaps they’ve had a whiff of something unpleasant coming their way if they don’t tone it down?

381805 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Scotty87, 18, #28 of 2018 🔗

I do suspect thats the case. I think we are increasingly being seen in the same way conscientious objectors in wartime are. People who are members of the awkward squad and are not willing to roll over and accept the lockdown juggernaut. I have certainly encountered greater hostility from some quarters since the turn of the year and I suspect there is much more of that to come. I am the bloody minded type who would never bend under pressure but not everyone is….maybe the reason for the toning down of the ATL articles are just down to that.

381779 ▶▶ JASA, replying to Annie, 29, #29 of 2018 🔗

I complained to Toby et al. yesterday about the slipping narrative of the daily updates and the response wasn’t very encouraging. I said that lots of us were noticing it and weren’t happy. More should write in.

381815 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JASA, 20, #30 of 2018 🔗

Roughly what was the gist of the response JASA? I have also noticed on ‘London Calling’ the same slipping narrative……not from James Delingpole of course but definitely from Toby. I do admire Toby in many ways but he does seem determined to see the good in everyone. Sadly there is not good in everyone….some people are evil bastards.

383166 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Boris Bullshit, #31 of 2018 🔗

Like the Prime Minister.

383183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, #32 of 2018 🔗

You have to look very hard to find that! Maybe Toby has special glasses.

383165 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JASA, #33 of 2018 🔗

Toby still wants to get back into traditional politices.

383163 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, #34 of 2018 🔗

News of the World.

381551 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 83, #35 of 2018 🔗

We are finished when the leading piece on here just swallows the government propaganda wholesale.
It’s not even close to 100,000

381596 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jonathan Palmer, #36 of 2018 🔗

SARCASM

381820 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #37 of 2018 🔗

The irony is that if it is to be believed (and I do not for one minute) it suggests the government’s handling of it all has been un utter disaster!

382016 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #38 of 2018 🔗

Of course, the fact that Piffles management has been a disaster is undeniable, but the corollary to that is Shmarmers ‘Lock down sooner, Lock down harder, Lockdown longer’ mantra will now become the accepted truth.

382553 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Old Bill, 4, #39 of 2018 🔗

Yes its a bit like saying if only I had jumped off Beachy Head 2 weeks earlier the outcome would have been so different!

381552 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 26, #40 of 2018 🔗

I had been taking a break from obsessing about the stats but had a look at the deaths stats yesterday.

What on earth is going on?

Spike in April, nothing in summer gradual rise as winter comes along then in December it goes utterly bonkers rising higher than April.

These are clearly dodgy figures. But why?

More testing? Probably.
More misdiagnosis? That too.

What do the overall death figures show?

But even with the dodginess of these official death figures could they be revealing vaccine deaths?

381557 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #41 of 2018 🔗

Agree.How many people are dying on average each day? How many die normally at this time of year.Then these numbers would have context.
6 million people and counting have been ‘vaccinated’.Even using Pfizer’s own figures there would have been deaths due to an adverse reaction.

381559 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jonathan Palmer, 18, #42 of 2018 🔗

Plenty of adverse reactions in my partner’s place of work (hospital). If you were old or frail, it could easily be enough to finish you off.

381563 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Tom Blackburn, 18, #43 of 2018 🔗

Overheard yesterday:

My friend’s dad died which was weird cos he had his jab.

381606 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 13, #44 of 2018 🔗

Confers immortality, does it?

381663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #45 of 2018 🔗

ADE anyone…? Cytokine storm?

381771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Pebbles, 2, #46 of 2018 🔗

Heart failure or septicaemia could be signs of a vaccine related death if antibody immune enhancement has occurred, according to Dr Lee Merrit.

Discussion on the mRNA vaccine from 17 minutes

. https://www.facebook.com/truthaspower/videos/777814312812420/

381804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 18, #47 of 2018 🔗

Coronavirus vaccines caused death after vaccination when the experimental animals (ferrets and cats) were exposed to the wild virus to see whether the vaccination created the expected immunity.

Instead the animals died from heart failure and overwhelming sepsis.

This was because the type of antibody that was created was non neutralising so instead of directing the immune system to destroy the virus, the antibody instead just coated the virus and made it easy for the virus to enter cells. Not just lung cells, where a respiratory virus would normally reside, but all the cells of the body, including the heart.

Such vaccines have NEVER been successfully made. The ones that are being used have only been tested for two months on humans, which is far to short a time to know whether the ADE reaction is likely to occur.(the reaction described in this post, antibody dependent enhancement)

https://www.facebook.com/truthaspower/videos/777814312812420/

382025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #48 of 2018 🔗

Ah well the situation there is clear. Your friend caught scepticism from you, then gave it to his dad and that is why he died.
You just a murdering bastard like all those sceptics!
NB Google ‘irony’ before reporting the post.

381761 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #49 of 2018 🔗

About 1500 per day was normal for UK, pre Covid.

381785 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #50 of 2018 🔗

1500 is daily average for the year. Every Dec-Jan sees the rate goes up to around 2000 a day.

381651 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ed Phillips, 15, #51 of 2018 🔗

the overall all-cause mortality numbers WILL rise, as both vaccine and lockdown related deaths start to kick in [all attributed to covid, of course, which will eventually subsume and probably even overtake all-cause mortality]

381726 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #52 of 2018 🔗

Vaccine deaths, covid deaths… doesn’t matter. They are deaths because old and sick people die. Always have, always will. No cure for death! The scandal is they all get labelled covid to justify the authoritarian measures…

381766 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #53 of 2018 🔗

Deaths goes bonkers in December, nothing to do with the vaccine then!!

381554 Annie, replying to Annie, 37, #54 of 2018 🔗

Latest Irreverend podcast, in which the excellent Jamie decides that it’s better to call himself ‘anti-lockdown’ than ‘lockdown sceptic’ because he thinks that lockdowns are morally wrong and would be utterly wrong even if they ‘worked’ .

Brave man.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/irreverend-faith-and-current-affairs/id1528967755?i=1000506235097

Essential listening for the thinking Christian!

381558 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 20, #55 of 2018 🔗

I’ve said it loads of times. The name of this site is not helpful.

381585 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #56 of 2018 🔗

Snap!

381605 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #57 of 2018 🔗

Ditto. But way back in the early bollox, nobody could say with absolute certainty that lockdowns didn’t ‘work’, so scepticism was the appropriate stance. And now LS is our name whereby we are known; is it worth changing it? I’m really not sure.

382696 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Annie, 5, #58 of 2018 🔗

Lockdown itself always looked totalitarian to me – no matter what the reason is. The only part I think none of us could be certain about is Covid-19 itself. It’s foolhardy to suggest there is no coronavirus out there, but it’s equally stupid to say that it is anywhere near as dangerous as they’re desperately trying to make us believe. After almost a year, we can be pretty certain it’s not very dangerous at all, regardless of villainous ‘mutants’ that appear in perfect timing to inject a new boost of fear porn.

381659 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #59 of 2018 🔗

yes, it’s like saying ‘I’m a genocide-sceptic’

381661 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #60 of 2018 🔗

YES.

382050 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #61 of 2018 🔗

I am an anti all covid measures except those stated in the Great Barrington Declaration sceptic, but its not a very snappy title is it?

Hey, just reading back my own post that makes me an ‘antisceptic’ – which is probably why I am quite vulnerable but have never caught it.

382563 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #62 of 2018 🔗

I lost my ‘sceptism’ on 23rd March watching Johnson’s scary speech….you must stay at home etc. I have been a hardline anti lock downer ever since.

381696 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Annie, 29, #63 of 2018 🔗

Exactly. My argument against lockdowns has always been based on individual rights and the concepts of ultra vires and proportionality. I also have a self-diagnosed narcissistic personality which means I tend to ignore rules that don’t suit me; but that is tempered, or so I flatter myself, by a moralistic and legalistic view of society. In concrete terms, when I drive a car I drive safely and within the speed limit not because I care about the law, but because I care about the right to life of other drivers and pedestrians. So when I ignore lockdown rules I do so not only because it is my right, but also because I don’t believe I am harming the rights of others.

381729 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Edmund Mortimer, -2, #64 of 2018 🔗

Nonsense – you obviously care about the law or you would drive at a speed you thought was safe.

381858 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bungle, 10, #65 of 2018 🔗

The only speed that is categorically safe is zero and only then if the car isn’t parked in a location where it is possible to be hit by another vehicle, falling meteorite, debris from a nearby gas explosion etc. In other words zero car related fatality is impossible but we’re going for zero Covid. Brilliant idea.

382093 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Annie, 2, #66 of 2018 🔗

Yes. Someone on here BTL a few weeks ago described him/herself as a ‘lockdown abolitionist’, which I thought was apt.

381555 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 21, #67 of 2018 🔗

Field Marshal Haig 1925

Some enthusiasts…….prophesied that the aeroplane, the tank and the motor-car would supersede the horse in future wars…….he believed that the value of the horse and the opportunity for the horse in the future were likely to be as great as ever.’

Whitty 2021

‘… scientists didn’t initially appreciate the importance of asymptomatic transmission, that they hadn’t supported widespread mask-wearing initially’

381556 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #68 of 2018 🔗

Good one.

381560 Sceptical Steve, replying to Sceptical Steve, 30, #69 of 2018 🔗

When the Prime Minister warned at a Downing Street Press briefing on Friday that the new variant “may increase” the Covid death rate by 30% (a “may” that was unravelling into a “maybe not” within 24 hours), all he did was give more ammunition to his enemy, the teaching unions. They must have been rubbing their hands; even more reason to claim that their members are not “safe” and schools shouldn’t reopen until September. That’ll be September 2023, knowing them .” In truth, Prof Freguson’s cynically-timed Friday afternoon briefing of Robert Peston on the supposed dangers of the new variant were calculated to give the PM no wriggle room on this. When is someone going to impose some of the usual committee disciplines on the members of Sage, i.e. members must not brief the press about the deliberations of the committee without the express permission of the committee chairman? Ultimately, of course, it’s Johnson’s responsibility to either make them toe the line on this, or to recognise that Sage has now become a political lobby group and abolish it. Doing nothing is just pathetic.

381572 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sceptical Steve, 21, #70 of 2018 🔗

A complete rag tag bunch of mouthy zealots that have all gone rogue a long time ago. Pfeffel hasn’t got the skills or the inclination to intervene.

381630 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #71 of 2018 🔗

I can only conclude that our current PM wants these people to brief and leak. It suits his narrative which is that it’s all just dreadful and he’s had no choice but to rob us of most of our freedoms.

381569 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #72 of 2018 🔗

Daily Mail: Ex CPS chief Nazir Afzal instructs lawyers to consider Boris Johnson prosecution.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9190235/Ex-CPS-chief-Nazir-Afzal-instructs-lawyers-consider-Boris-Johnson-prosecution.html

381576 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #73 of 2018 🔗

I think we just need some sort of test in the court arena. Whatever angle that arrives from, I’m not overly concerned.

381611 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Tom Blackburn, 19, #74 of 2018 🔗

I’m afraid I believe this all to be a repulsive piece of theatre.

The propaganda is clearly hyping up for the next big push.

There will be increased intolerance of any dissent, and imposition of further dictatorial mandates.

Why is Johnson so sure deaths are going to rise? Does he have some way of ensuring this will happen?
I have thought for a while now that the weak point in the propaganda is that there are not enough real deaths to convince.

I still do not know anyone who has been in hospital with covid, let alone died from it – and this is over a year now.

The interview put up yesterday with Dr Lee Merrit explains how medicine can be weaponised.
https://www.facebook.com/truthaspower/videos/777814312812420/

381612 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 16, #75 of 2018 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission is nothing more than one big lie.
So why are they telling obvious lies and why are doctors too frightened to correct this? This is totalitarianism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euRwlrWV-0o&ab_channel=MikeRay

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/08/23/dr-lee-merritt-dismantling-the-official-lies-of-the-covid-crisis/

381617 ▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 24, #76 of 2018 🔗

With each passing day, more medical professionals and academics are coming forward in exposing the numerous official lies and misinformation being promulgated by government health officials, the mainstream media and their pharmaceutical corporate sponsors. The evidence against the popular mainstream ‘pandemic’ narrative is now overwhelming. The question now remains: how long until people demand that draconian legislation and lockdown policies are rolled back?

https://drleemerritt.com/

381673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to kate, 5, #77 of 2018 🔗
382364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #79 of 2018 🔗

My favourite, with a slightly pagan tinge;

The tree of life my soul hath seen,
Laden with fruit and always green;
The trees of nature fruitless be,
Compared with Christ the Apple Tree.

His beauty doth all things excel,
By faith I know but ne’er can tell
The glory which I now can see,
In Jesus Christ the Appletree.

383292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kate, #80 of 2018 🔗

Beautiful tune to that one.

381660 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kate, 6, #81 of 2018 🔗

Don’t forget those deaths include people who had a positive test within 28 days of death so not necessarily dying due to COVID so the actual figure is a lot lower.

381616 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #82 of 2018 🔗

he would have to defend himself with reference to Sweden and the literature that says earlier lockdowns cause more harm etc

it would be hilarious

381656 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #83 of 2018 🔗

Yes I agree. He needs to be taken to task for all the deaths due to the lockdown.

381668 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #84 of 2018 🔗

The comments are remarkably supportive of Johnson, although the standard of literacy is weak. I am suspicious.

382175 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basileus, 1, #85 of 2018 🔗

五毛党 colloquially known as the 50-cent army

382035 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #86 of 2018 🔗

I read that as execution instead of prosecution, you can see how my mind is working!.

382414 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #87 of 2018 🔗

Afzal resigned on principle!! from a very senior position in the CPS.

382917 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #88 of 2018 🔗

He took too long to implement communism.

381570 thinkaboutit, 5, #89 of 2018 🔗

A good collection. I might print out the bin one and paste it to my bin.

381571 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 45, #90 of 2018 🔗

So, they did everything they could, did they? Does that include banning/suppressing HCQ, Ivermectin and other treatments that would have saved lives.

381578 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Brett_McS, 51, #91 of 2018 🔗

They suppressed liberty, sunshine and relationships. All non pharmaceutical, all free and all vital for health and wellbeing.

381882 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #92 of 2018 🔗

So true Tom. I walked into my front room last night and my wife had the news on sound off waiting for her program to start. Scenes from a hospital ward apparently. Fuck me there are a lot of people who are no strangers to the biscuit tin in there. So thanks for keeping us inside and shutting my gym my golf course, my tennis court and swimming pool.

381575 MichalP, replying to MichalP, 9, #93 of 2018 🔗

I’m new here, but just wanted to ask:

Is there any way to break down this 100 000 into dying with Covid, and dying of Covid? The stats for underlying medical conditions, or having stats that would show number of days between the positive test and death, number of deaths in hospital?

I’m not asking for someone to give me the exact stats, but just wanted to have an idea if this is data is recorded and made available.

381604 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to MichalP, 7, #94 of 2018 🔗

Tim Bidie’s post above gives some pointers re death data. To my mind the most definitive death information which should always be used and quoted as the starting point in any discussion of death stats is the ONS figure of total registered deaths.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/previousReleases
From that definitive total you can then try and analyse specific information.

381609 ▶▶▶ Alci, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #95 of 2018 🔗

Right, this is is something I’d expect to see on this site. Look at excess deaths (not the nonsense COVID figures) and the reasons for those, vs other years. All easily available data via ONS and PHE mortality report. Much more interesting than the government’s headline garbage.

381610 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alci, 6, #96 of 2018 🔗

Agreed. Why feed the troll?

381614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to Annie, 13, #97 of 2018 🔗

Quite! And it would stop the trend among the less data-savvy sceptics who seem scared of these big headline numbers and so are saying never mind data! Lockdowns are just wrong!
They’re right that lockdowns are just wrong in a democracy, but wrong about data.
Data is all in this. We can crush the opposition with properly interpreted data. Compare year on year, adjusted by population and it’s really not scary at all. Unpleasant new virus settling to endemic levels no matter what any country or state does.

381678 ▶▶▶ MichalP, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #98 of 2018 🔗

Thank you, I will have a look at the referenced post.

381735 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #99 of 2018 🔗

That’s interesting – if you go to 2. Deaths registered by week and then figure 2 you get a bar graph showing deaths where the disease was a contributing factor and deaths due to the disease. After note 9 there is a data download link and if you add up column G , you get 85321 whereas column F adds to 94132.
Does that mean that 85321/94132 x 100 =90% are from rather than with ?
I’m hoping to be prove wrong!

381683 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to MichalP, 9, #100 of 2018 🔗

Since the PCR test is totally unreliable, the numbers mean nothing. Just invent your own numbers, they’ll just as likely be true.i.e. no chance!

381577 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 90, #101 of 2018 🔗

With Peter Hitchens censored on Talk Radio and the bland leading articles on this site, would I be right in thinking we are now fighting a rearguard action against censorship and closure and that this site is having to tread very carefully to avoid being shut down? For a site called Lockdown Sceptics to discuss the death figures with no reference to total deaths, ONS registered death statistics, yearly variations in mortality rates etc etc. does seem remarkable.

From a philosophical point of view why should we be worried that a virus pops up that kills 0.15% of the population? is it not the job of Government to tell the people that this is life and death and this sort of thing happens, after all 99.85% of the UK population have not died of/with/maybe covid, so surely we got off lightly, we’ve all got to die some time. Now we are all caught up in this covid death cult and most deaths are labelled covid are we now stuck in this forever?

381677 ▶▶ sunny66, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #102 of 2018 🔗

Well said. Only COVID deaths matter. Seems there is no end to this utter nonsense.

381912 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #103 of 2018 🔗

Since Carl Hennighan disappeared we do not have anybody looking deeply into the figures. Covid is a respiratory disease, so why would you die of cancer, heart failure? Its so frustrating, we can only go with government produced figures and we know how accurate they are. But this fear porn is shocking! Ramped up to 11 (and that’s a spinal tap 11). A group of psychologist writes to the government and….. nothing.

383427 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #104 of 2018 🔗

I heard that the ONS stats are compiled by Dominion machines in Canada. Fact check time.

381579 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #105 of 2018 🔗

The NHS is struggling due to fewer beds, fewer staff, a direct consequence of government interventions.

The medical profession, for good reason, has fully bought into the precautionary principle.

ONS data clearly shows that there is no pandemic, any rise in overall all cause mortality for 2020 readily explained by extreme government interventions and an annual population rise net of (at least) 400,000 per year over the last 20 years. See attached and Fig. 6 of reference:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/december2020

The blame for this shambles lies fairly and squarely at the feet of the government and its abject abnegation of leadership in the long term National interest.

By the way, South Korea has a modified PCR test optimised to distinguish between covid 19 and influenza…I would wonder whether the NHS has something similar but I think I already know the answer.

381583 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #106 of 2018 🔗

One would have thought that this would be an ideal area for the CEBM to bring its statistical analysis skills to bear on a sensible presentation of the data. Instead Carl Heneghan seems to have become one of the disappeared, the CEBM is sidelined, Peter Hitchens is censored.
My wife tries to stay quite sanguine about all this but even she says Uberfuhrer Johnson now reminds her of eeyore from Winnie the Pooh but a bit more gloomy. He seems completely bamboozled by all this hoo-haa.

381594 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #107 of 2018 🔗

If he’s Eeyore, does that mean we can all take turn pinning his tail back on?

381602 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 9, #108 of 2018 🔗

Can’t just now. He’s sitting on his bum, taking a burst balloon out of an empty jar and putting it back again. It strains his intellectual capabilities, but he’s just about managing it.

382055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 1, #109 of 2018 🔗

as he puffs and wheezes into one of those party things that go poooooo and a paper tube thing rolls out, like a big flappy tongue.
pooooooooooooooooooo, pooooooooooooooooo
goes boris, sadly

383431 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kpaulsmith1463, #110 of 2018 🔗

Pin the tail on the donkey. A BBC Special.

381599 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #111 of 2018 🔗

Fur ihn ist der Krieg vorbei………

381776 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #112 of 2018 🔗

How dare she..we all know Eeyore has manic depression so we can excuse his beahaviour. Boris is just s scaremongering cunt ..I’m ashamed I voted for him 🙁

381821 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #113 of 2018 🔗

Hear hear, including endorsing your use of that epithet. No other word really. I’m fecking angry today.

382149 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Thomas_E, #114 of 2018 🔗

Pleased to say I wasted my vote on the Independent last time (with about 1,000 others!) having voted out the Cons. locally, completely wiped out on town council although the Lab. and Lib. replacements are as bad. Perkin featured here a while back moaning about posters in windows of The Leading Light (‘spoons).

381580 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 38, #115 of 2018 🔗

As Prof Dolores Cahill says no one needs to die from this disease. There are effective treatments available. D3, zinc, c, selenium etc plus HCQ, Ivermectin etc and they have been (intentionally?) suppressed. The blood is on their hands and this continues now with the roll out of an experimental medical treatment with incomplete trials and that has the potential to cause great harm for a number of people.

381598 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Suzyv, 5, #116 of 2018 🔗

They are government.
Harm is their business.

382087 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 5, #117 of 2018 🔗

We’re from the government, we’re here to help you. The botoxed horror Whitmer of Michigan actually had the gall to say “Everything I’ve done has been to keep you safe.” the other day. With a straight face of course, it’s the only one she’s got.

383443 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Suzyv, #118 of 2018 🔗

Some selenium rich foods:
The best selenium-richfoods include brazil nuts, halibut, cheese, mushroom, oat, oyster, asparagus, soybeans, chia seeds, salmon, brown rice, crabs, spaghetti, cabbage, broccoli, spinach, milk, yogurt, cashew, banana, garlic, tofu, turkey, pork, cod, spinach, wheat, and barley, among many others.

381584 Patrick, replying to Patrick, 42, #119 of 2018 🔗

In the article responding to “The Myths of the Lockdowners” myth 3 references PCR testing and false positives.
At the start of the pandemic the WHO recommended amplification for PCR testing at 40 cycles, despite best practice being in the range of 25-30 cycles. This was apparently based on advice from China which may or may not be true.

I’m sure you are aware that PCR testing has never been used for the sort of mass testing now been carried out and in the past was used to confirm the presence of a virus after medical diagnosis i.e. not for indicating a person had a virus when not showing any symptoms.

In July 2020, an MIT report stated that between 80% and 90% of positive “cases” at 40 amplifications would show negative at 30 amplifications. This has been widely reported in places outside the mainstream media and has not been refuted by any scientific sources as far as I can find out.

Indeed, on the 14th of December 2020 the World Health Organization released a guidance memo warning that high cycle thresholds on PCR tests will result in false positives. Their recommendation is running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35 plus. They went further with an updated memo ( WHO Information Notice for IVD Users 2020/05 ) on the 20 th of January 2021 saying that you don’t have COVID-19 unless you get a second test to confirm it and are presenting clinical symptoms. WHO also said that, even if you don’t show any symptoms, you will need to get a second test for confirmation. These tightened guidelines are, in essence, just returning to what used to be the standard operating procedure until March 2020.

With the information currently available it appears PHE has NOT implemented a lower cycle threshold and testing in the UK remains at 40 cycles plus. The latest WHO guidelines are only 5 days old but together these recommendations would have an enormous downward effect on “case” numbers within the UK. Political and economic questions to one side, we are currently in a vicious circle where the NHS cannot perform efficiently due to as much as 30% of staff isolating from “positive” testing along with patients blocking beds as they continue to test “positive” also. And with the NHS struggling then lockdown remains. A very vicious circle.

And yet nowhere are these WHO memos being reported…

381936 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Patrick, 7, #120 of 2018 🔗

They do appear to be cherry picking the WHO principles they want to follow don’t they, why is nobody asking this question in the HOC? But the truth is, they KNOW using the lower cycle rate would clear up most of the mess in the nhs. Unblocking beds and bringing staff back. The biggest question is why are they not doing it? Is it because it would bring their house of lies crashing down before they want it to? I just wished I could understand their end game?

383446 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #121 of 2018 🔗

They are stalling for time. Great Reset not ready yet.

382402 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Patrick, #122 of 2018 🔗

Wow and thank you for that

381586 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #123 of 2018 🔗
381942 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #124 of 2018 🔗

Calling Greta Thumbum, off you go to China dear. Let us know how you get on.

382031 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #125 of 2018 🔗

Don’t forget to take the likes of Emma Thompson. David Attenborough and Leonardo di Caprio with her too.

382777 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #126 of 2018 🔗

The truly scary thing is this Covid smokescreen is going to lead to
National suicide via the Green industrial revolution.

383454 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #127 of 2018 🔗

Don’t allow it to happen. Their ideas are absurd. They are insane. It’s a new Puritanism. Boring. The death of creativity and spontaneity. Read Albert Camus’s chapter on the Marquis de Sade in ‘The Rebel’.

381587 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 147, #128 of 2018 🔗

I’m glad we have this site to report on the key points of the government’s press conferences, because I’d rather take a bath with my toaster than endure the ghastly theatrics of Johnson and Whitty. It’s all a total act you see, a carefully choreographed performance right down to the last “alas.”

We know the 100K deaths is absolute bunkum. They’ve been inflating it for several months now, trying to justify the ruinous decisions they’ve made so they can point to this grim statistic and bleat “well, it was a pretty serious pandemic! What would YOU have done in the midst of a national crisis?”

It’s also a great headline for our parasitic mainstream media to latch onto, and as sure as night follows day, millions of Covid zombies up and down the country will be parroting “100K dead, how terrible. Better get my vaccine.” You can bet your last pound that every scaremongering scientist, politician or talking head will now shoehorn the magical 100K figure into every interview until the next gory milestone is achieved.

Interesting that Whitty focuses on masks and asymptomatic transmission as the key areas where they have failed. It’s a clever trick – he’s further promoting the lies that a) masks work and b) asymptomatic transmission exists, by admitting to the much lesser charge of not giving these confected factors more consideration, he also succeeds in removing the focus on the real question – should you have locked down in the first place? The anti-Tory rags such as the Mirror and the Guardian, as well as Labour front benchers will now busy themselves with this fraudulent little distraction whilst the TRUE crimes of the Johnson regime will not see the light of day, that is until it’s impossible to avoid.

In summary – we are now seeing the cabal start to prepare the foundations for their defence when the inevitable public inquiry begins. They must admit fault of course, but they will use every shred of their considerable power to ensure that the lockdown question is one that never receives thorough investigation and scrutiny. That is what they are terrified of – if the truth comes out, their comfortable lives will be completely destroyed.

They will sacrifice any number of us in order to stop this from happening.

381591 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Scotty87, 13, #129 of 2018 🔗

Spot on!

382061 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #130 of 2018 🔗

Yes, really excellent summary, thanks.

381597 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 56, #131 of 2018 🔗

The Nazis blew up gas chambers, ploughed up at least one death-camp site (Treblinka) and pretended it was a farm, and sent prisoners on death marches in a desperate attempt to cover up their worst crimes, but they failed.

Truth will out. In a few years’ time, ‘Lockdown disaster denial’ will itself be a crime.

And I think I know what will be on the cover of the first book of denunciatory essays: that foul little man who stopped two sons comforting a widow at her husband’s funeral. The image of our times.

381607 ▶▶ eptwll, replying to Scotty87, 11, #132 of 2018 🔗

Aha! But SINGLE masks DON’T work! “Three is the number thou shalt count!” Can this possibly be real? Found it on Twitter: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/01/25/is-a-double-mask-really-better-than-a-single.html

382007 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to eptwll, 22, #133 of 2018 🔗

A plastic bag hermetically sealed around head and tied with duct tape is the most efficient and must be encouraged.

382062 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to aleaf, 4, #134 of 2018 🔗

As long as no pleasure is derived.

381615 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Scotty87, 31, #135 of 2018 🔗

surely the 100,000 destroys their point about lockdown working. the more they go on about how many died (because they want to scare us to make us comply with lockdown), the more it looks like the policy has failed.

the longer we lockdown, the more we pull ahead of no-lockdown Sweden in the ‘death stakes’

381626 ▶▶▶ artfelix, replying to steve_w, 33, #136 of 2018 🔗

Indeed – that’s why I think, outside of court cases, the whole thrust of our argument needs to be that lockdowns don’t work.

Not only because that is now becoming very obvious, but also because it spikes the emotional guns of the enemy.

If we argue about deaths “with or of”, or point out more people died in the 2000s etc – we just get accused of being heartless and have the numbers of dead thrown at us. Reason goes out of the window.

But if we say “fewer people would have died if we hadn’t locked down. Look at Sweden” Then it is now they who are heartless and killing granny.

It’s the only way to win the argument while we are still in a moral panic. The other stuff can wait for the reckoning that is to come once the war is over.

381652 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to artfelix, 21, #137 of 2018 🔗

It’s not just lockdowns it’s all the supposed safety measures such as distancing and masks/visors. They don’t have an effect when you look at real data. Even natural measures such as washing your hands doesn’t seem to be that significant.

But because of Health and Safety and liabilities it seems that it’s bred a paranoia that is preventing people seeing things for what they are. Once the measures are relaxed I’m wondering what the reflections are going to be.

382863 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to mhcp, 1, #138 of 2018 🔗

Truth be told, the visors are kinda growing on me. I see them as a useful visual cue to give this person a wide berth in case they forget how to walk, soil themselves or inexplicably melt.

I’m also toying with the belief that people have been so brow beaten by Health & Safety zealots that they’re embracing not being on the receiving end for once and taking to enforcement with relish.

383090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jez Hewitt, 3, #139 of 2018 🔗

I simply cannot understand why more people – and especially good-looking YOUNG people – don’t wear transparent muzzles. Wouldn’t YOU if you had a face worth bragging about, worth putting in display?

Were I twenty years younger, I most certainly wouldn’t hide my good looks behind these disgusting creepy paper bags. Would YOU?

383161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Banjones, 1, #140 of 2018 🔗

And I wouldn’t wear a .. WTF! transparent F’in Muzzle.. gawd!!

383275 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Banjones, 1, #141 of 2018 🔗

That’s exactly why I don’t wear a mask in work…

*winks*

381664 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to artfelix, 9, #142 of 2018 🔗

100% agree

The chart below has really turned a few of my friends. ‘Look at R and tell me the effect of lockdown’

381667 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #143 of 2018 🔗

One friend said – “R was coming down before lockdown because of handwashing, some social distancing, fear, wfh etc’. I said ‘Precisely! lockdown was superfluous but comes with massive costs’

381718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 7, #144 of 2018 🔗

Darwin only knows what this graph is but, if it shows the so-called ‘R’ number, there is no such thing. It’s just an invention of modellers.

383096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bungle, 1, #145 of 2018 🔗

Yes – but since this ‘R’ number has been sold to the Great Unwashed as being something important, then it’s good that its lessening should be displayed as being a positive thing.

They are simple, BBC thralls so they really should be challenged with things like this. Though I’m not sure the word ”challenged” is helpful with people like that.

(And I have a much-loved cousin who is one of them.)

383083 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to artfelix, 1, #146 of 2018 🔗

Someone posted this interesting graph yesterday.

382131 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to steve_w, 5, #147 of 2018 🔗

But, Steve, imagine how many it would have been without lockdown.[sarc] I think the aim is to be able to give Ferguson’s original predictions credibility and to disguise their own ineptitudes ….if it means sacrificing people, their livelihoods and society, by lies and manipulation to achieve that then nothing is beyond them.

382888 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 4, #148 of 2018 🔗

No no no you don’t understand, the reason the death toll is so high is we didn’t lock down hard enough, or early enough, or long enough, or broadly enough…

381644 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Scotty87, 46, #149 of 2018 🔗

Well said. My blood is at boiling point. They have to come down, be prosecuted in a court of proper law and stripped of their wealth and thrown into prison for the rest of their lives. Johnson, Whitty, Ferguson, Hancock, the whole lot. Throw them to the lions.

381701 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Pebbles, 12, #150 of 2018 🔗

Do you want to poison lions? As a wildlife enthusiast I really must protest.

382068 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 2, #151 of 2018 🔗

A Daniel come to judgement!

383115 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Pebbles, 5, #152 of 2018 🔗

I wonder if they know in what disgust, abhorrence and loathing they are held.
I doubt it – because I really believe their minions and myrmidons protect them for fear of their own positions, or even lives – who can say how far this will go?

Surely any normal person, recognising that what they had done to damage their own society, would feel some sort of drive to put it right? Or perhaps even feel a fear of being called on to account for their actions? They’re not ”normal” or they would indeed feel that ”fear”.

I really find it hard to understand the mindset of people like this. Unless we look to Nazi Germany – which I really don’t want to do – I wonder how they can square things with their own consciences…

381684 ▶▶ sunny66, replying to Scotty87, 14, #153 of 2018 🔗

Spot on. I’m truly amazed that people are so naive. 100,000 deaths – total rubbish! Simply a carefully choreographed exercise for the media.

381874 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to sunny66, 14, #154 of 2018 🔗

I note that many comments today relate to the highly inflated figure of 100K Covid deaths. But wouldn’t it have greater impact to say “Yes but 500K or more died of other causes last year, and that is perfectly normal in UK.”
Easier to put the 100K into context rather than argue that it should be 50K or 70K….

381964 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #155 of 2018 🔗

So right Ken, how many deaths have been caused by lockdown. Directly attributed to the actions of this government? So every poor sod who has died at home, every cancer patient whose cancer is now terminal, and every single suicide, my best friends mum who had a stroke and was sent home to die rather than getting the treatment she needed, all down to the fat pig dictator.

382898 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #156 of 2018 🔗

You should have heard the statistician talking to Shelagh Doherty on LBC earlier. He reckoned it’s nearer 120K.

What I’d give to see them both impregnated with a PCR machine set to 45 cycles.

Small mercies, she said she started wearing a mask outside when the Kent variant came to light. A face made for the radio and masks.

382065 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Scotty87, 12, #157 of 2018 🔗

I laughed so much at your remark, “I would rather take a bath with my toaster…”. This sums up exactly how I feel about all those murderers in power, I can’t look at their faces and hate them more every day. I have had strange looks from some people when I call them murderers, my response is always, just because you don’t use a gun or a knife doesn’t mean that you can’t kill someone.

383100 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #158 of 2018 🔗

Someone posted this link yesterday. To hell with arguing about angels dancing on a pin. Great reopening, (great). Great never closing again (greater).

Henna Maria – The Ten Stages of Genocide (bitchute.com)

382807 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Scotty87, 2, #159 of 2018 🔗

Great comment. Great writing too.

383023 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Scotty87, 1, #160 of 2018 🔗

Brilliant

383456 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Scotty87, #161 of 2018 🔗

The Guardian detests Johnson, but not for the same reasons that we do.

383508 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Scotty87, 1, #162 of 2018 🔗

Whitty on masks and asymptomatic infectiousness is the new definition of ‘doubling down on a lie due to the sunk cost fallacy’.

381588 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 51, #163 of 2018 🔗

Even my 84 year old dad, whose watched BBC News most of his life has balked at Clive Myrie’s and the BBC’s voyeristic, ghoulish, manipulative and morbid reporting of Covid and now just reads the newspapers instead.
He’s making a slow move to scepticism and asked me, “what’s happened to flu?”

381639 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to PatrickF, 31, #164 of 2018 🔗

What happened to the flu? It was largely repackaged as Covid-19. So was pneumonia. That is what happened to the flu. The true percentage of people having died of Covid-19 may be so ludicrously low that it would make people’s head spin.

381669 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Pebbles, 15, #165 of 2018 🔗

I would go with zero myself. go with the assumption that EVERYTHING they say is ONE AUDACIOUSLY BIG FAT LIE

381640 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 17, #166 of 2018 🔗

Good. Sentient. Covidiots: ‘the flu has disappeared due to face diapers, distancing, lockdowns’.

Realist: ‘so how does the CV 19 spread?.

Covidiots: ‘lockdowns, diaper wearing, distancing, not tough enough, not enforced enough, asymptomatic spreading…’.

Realist: ‘you have had 9 months of diapers and 1 year of LD’s and the proof is that people are still dying of CV 19 and how can you spread a disease if you don’t have it or are not sick…maybe we need to try something else?’

Covidiot: ‘we probably need isolation camps, mandatory vaxx’s, maybe microchips, wearing of surgical masks for a long time….’

381979 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 6, #167 of 2018 🔗

And the lockdownistas don’t realise that they’re simply going round in circles.

Jesus wept.

381783 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to PatrickF, 17, #168 of 2018 🔗

We magically cured the flu after 7000 years..just like that..Overnight, have you not been watching the news? Also influenza-cured, pneumonia -cured, cancer -cured , same with ebola… Basically the only disease that can KILL YOU is Covid now.

382027 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #169 of 2018 🔗

Covid cures all those things so, if we can just defeat the virus, we can all live for ever.

382078 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #170 of 2018 🔗

All these things are gone now because we have all been so safe and sensible.

382020 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to PatrickF, 18, #171 of 2018 🔗

My 85 year old dad started out a bit sceptical and I was able to discuss things with him in a reasonable way but his addiction to the BBC (and LBC) has made him succumb to the paranoia. Now, he seems to think I’m just being contrary for the sake of it (like I used to be when I was a teenager).
I attribute the change in him not merely to Govt./MSM propaganda but to the fact that his previously active social life has been stolen from him. He doesn’t see anybody to talk to anymore I am 300 miles away. It’s just him and my mum at home and she is suffering from vascular dementia so, for much of the time, he is effectively alone. He doesn’t use the internet for anything but Amazon and Spotify so the TV and radio are his only connection to the outside world. The Mind-Snatchers have got him and at the moment I can’t get him back. I’m not giving up, though.

382082 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve F, 6, #172 of 2018 🔗

Same with mine.

382637 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Two-Six, 3, #173 of 2018 🔗

I haven’t spoken to my dad since Myrie’s disgusting performance on the BBC News last night. It is inevitable that he will have watched that and I suspect he will bring the subject up when we speak later this evening. I don’t want to argue with my dad but I won’t be able to let it go, if he does. Perhaps I’d better pretend it’s a bad line and get out of it that way.

381590 kpaulsmith1463, 2, #174 of 2018 🔗

This one in particular – bravo!

381592 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 21, #175 of 2018 🔗

I smiled as one of the two Pharmacists at Tescos in Uckfield, yesterday, took off her mask to make a phone call, behind the counter, in full view of the public.

381601 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 4, #176 of 2018 🔗

SAYS IT ALL!!!!

381622 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to PatrickF, 6, #177 of 2018 🔗

I chuckled recently when a masked Tesco employee tried several times to make an announcement over the PA system. Couldn’t understand what he was saying of course.

381631 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, #178 of 2018 🔗

Did anyone immediately die from the raging infectious spread? Maybe if they were Hindoo they had asymptomatic Malaria – no symptoms, but of course they are still spreading it?

381593 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 46, #179 of 2018 🔗

Your post can’t be worse than NHS adverts. Please stay. I always enjoy reading your comments.

382394 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PatrickF, 11, #180 of 2018 🔗

Seconded. Your posts are always worth reading, and help many of us, I feel sure I can say, in our struggle as individual moonbeams in the larger lunacy. And you’ve seen hypocrisy on this site and called it out- which has been instructive. Free Speech Union, eh?

381595 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #181 of 2018 🔗

I hope this bears repetition.

16 million small business and self employed workforce.

16.5 million public sector workforce and retired public sector.

If one accepts that the former largely voted this government into power and the latter largely voted against minus those who could not vote for Corbyn:

How many votes would this government get today?

The Conservative Party’s thoughts should now be turning towards renaming themselves……

381629 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #182 of 2018 🔗

24 million in the private sector. Take away the Hindoo’s magic money UBI for 9 million, the REAL unemployment is closer to 5 mn or about 20% of the private workforce. Of course, gov’t is no doubt ‘hiring’ more parasites and BAME devotees.

381645 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #183 of 2018 🔗

But there’s no opposition to vote for. They can’t vote for Starmer, and there’s no other party at present to vote for. This is a de facto marxist take over – both parties are intent on the same destruction of the country. Your vote doesn’t count.

381676 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to this is my username, 2, #184 of 2018 🔗

The idea that the Conservative government is Marxist is weird.

381680 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #185 of 2018 🔗

Yes – however, their policies are Marxist and have been for many years.

381741 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #186 of 2018 🔗

Homework:
1) How many tenets of the Communist Manifesto have been implemented
2) How many were by Tories

381798 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #187 of 2018 🔗

It’s certainly isn’t Conservative!

381787 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #188 of 2018 🔗

I wish I had voted for Corbyn now. he could not have done any worse, and there is a chance that maybe his brother would have talked some sense into him

381796 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #189 of 2018 🔗

I feel like that. I doubt Corbyn would have been as bad at Bozo.

381883 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #190 of 2018 🔗

Too simplistic I think. The idea that the Tory party have ever been the friend of small businesses is laughable. They have always been the party of inherited wealth, public school nepotism and Big business. Not a true free market party at all. Likewise Labour the polar opposite. Both with their special interest large lobby groups. I am no fan of Corbyn (J) at all but I think he would have been far more questioning of some of these astonishing contracts awarded than Starmer who is utterly useless. Lisa Nandy would have been a far better choice in many ways.
Unfortunately there is no Paddy Ashdown or Charlie boy in the Liberals (I am sure would have had a sceptical viewpoint from the civil liberties point of view) alas at the moment so things are grim indeed.
What I find very worrying is the little focus on the economic situation at the moment in the MSM-it is there tucked away in various business sections in the press but no prominence is given to it in headline part of the papers.There are still so many people completely in utter ignorance of the true state of play. There are a lot of people sitting pretty at the moment thinking there will be a lovely rebound effect once this nonsense is relaxed but don’t realise so many businesses are completely unviable with even modest social distancing type adaptations.

382032 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Clancloch, #191 of 2018 🔗

Yes and the fact that whenever a journalist asked Sage or the chuckle brothers about the economy they always say, that’s not our responsibility. WHAT! But then let’s flip that and ask well whose responsibility is it? Is that your job Dishi Rishi? Well why is he not on radio 4 and GMB doing a Frazer (were all doomed)? An economists goes to the msm to say how lockdown sceptics are wrong and tries to disprove our reasons for lockdown. But then says fuck all about the catastrophic effect on the economy.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what’s that sound?
Everybody look, what’s going down?

381600 danny, 23, #192 of 2018 🔗

According to the ONS, around 87% of Covid related fatalities happen in hospitals and care homes. Ok, so surely the main point of comparison should be MRSA and sepsis. Very frail and sick people, get horrible additional thing due to unsanitary and badly operated hospitals that then is a contributing factor towards death.
Can you imagine a few years ago, when the press was sneaking cameras in to snap old people in hospital corridors and calling for urgent change, if the government turned around and said we should close schools, jobs, rip families apart and lock ourselves at home for a year whilst clapping the NHS.
Incredible.

381603 Ed Phillips, 38, #193 of 2018 🔗

I saw the post that has now been deleted.
It was drawing a historical parallel.
A bit close to the bone? Maybe. But if people aren’t seeing the parallels then we are in serious trouble.
We are being painted as enemies of the state. We are being dehumanised and all the ills of the moment are being placed on us to detract from the failings of the authorities.
A bit of hyperbole is useful to shock people out of their complacency.

381613 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 60, #194 of 2018 🔗

Life expectancy is 81.
Average age of coronavirus related death is 82.4.

The risk of dying is closely related to age. Children and young adults have very low risk of dying (infants have a slightly higher risk). The risk rises with increasing age. To illustrate: a five year old has roughly a one in ten thousand chance of dying; a twenty-five old, one in two thousand; a sixty year old, one in a hundred; a seventy year old, one in fifty; an eighty-five year old, one in six. Age is a killer.

The risk of dying with the coronavirus almost exactly mirrors this normal risk profile. It differs only in being less of a risk to the young. Coronavirus related deaths occur amongst those who are at greatest risk of death from any cause, that is older people. In terms of population mortality rates, the virus is undetectable.

I suspect that if it were not for orchestrated campaign of hysterical fear-mongering, the virus would have passed unnoticed by the vast majority of people.

381621 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #195 of 2018 🔗

Quite right; According to my dodgy maths 99.85% of the UK population have not died of/with/maybe covid.

381628 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #196 of 2018 🔗

Death counts readjusted for age do not show a pandemic 1% of the pop died in 2020, 0.9% in 2019. I don’t see a pandemic in those numbers. I do see a very bad flu year for the over 75s who should have been protected. The Government killed about 8.000 older people when they moved them from hospitals to care homes…why is the Fake News not outraged about that?

381674 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FerdIII, 16, #197 of 2018 🔗

The decanting of older people out of the hospitals to free up space for possible coronavirus cases is a scandal, which I think killed far more than eight thousand, more like twenty thousand.

381760 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #198 of 2018 🔗

In due course, I think this particular event will be the one to cause Bozo and Wancock et al’s downfall. No journalist is yet brave enough to go there, but eventually they will.

382045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to vargas99, 1, #199 of 2018 🔗

But that would mean criticising NHS/Moloch so unlikely unless it’s to demand even more money and berate Tooory cuts.

381784 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #200 of 2018 🔗

YES – ABSOLUTELY!!!! why is it not obvious to more people that this is a hoax?!?

381618 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 33, #201 of 2018 🔗

just think how many fewer would have died if we hadn’t locked down and prevented the young getting the immunity that ultimately protects the rest of us 🙁

382041 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 6, #202 of 2018 🔗

If only we had places that did not lockdown or that opened up early to compare these figures to. Oh wait……

381649 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Marcus, 7, #204 of 2018 🔗

He doesn’t admit that he means “clampdown on freedom of speech” but that is what he means.

381657 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to this is my username, 3, #205 of 2018 🔗

It is indeed

381698 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to this is my username, 11, #206 of 2018 🔗

The headline is right enough.Covid lies do cost lives.
And we know who’s telling them.

382028 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 1, #207 of 2018 🔗

‘Monibot’ not satisfied with the deaths of poor brown people from his Thermaggedon BS.

381653 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Marcus, 15, #208 of 2018 🔗

Good morning Marcus

Monbiot once again showing his true authoritarian colours. He really is a privileged piece of work.

Sorry, as I know have posted this several times before, but ex-Guardian journalist Jonathan Cook has repeatedly called him out for years:

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-01-12/monbiot-bully-hypocrite/https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-01-12/monbiot-bully-hypocrite/

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2017-04-28/a-disavowal-from-monbiots-witch-hunt/

As have Medialens

https://www.medialens.org/?s=monbiot

Off-Guardian too

https://off-guardian.org/tag/george-monbiot/

A classic gatekeeper on the left, or as Off-Guardian’s Catte Black so eloquently put it in June 2018.

Monbiot is revealed as the guy the establishment uses to try and lure the Left-Greens out in support of the latest agenda roll-out by the likes of Soros, Gates and the Atlantic Council. He’s booked for the same gigs as Avaaz. His brief, as ever, is to sell fascism – but this time in a Green box.

Kindest regards

Simon

381665 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Marcus, 12, #209 of 2018 🔗

Just been over to read Mr Monbiot’s article. It is a classic piece of propaganda. He assumes that is position is true, accurate, scientific, and thus anyone who holds a contrary view is at least wrong and probably much worse. He claims the moral high ground for himself, by professing to be only concerned with saving lives. He draws attention to claims by unnamed persons that not only are unsupported but are implausible and then seamlessly moves on to named critics, pretending their reasoned, evidence criticism is the same. On this foundation, he calls for the power of the state to be used to stamp out all such dissent, but wraps this totalitarianism up in a pretended scientific neutral objectivity by saying it should be managed by experts on the model of SAGE (who he knows are accurate about everything). These contortions, amusingly, lead Monbiot to ally himself and his cause with people he would previously have been attacking, such as Neil O’Brien MP and Sam Bowman, whose propaganda he accepts as scientific (on this issue). Monbiot’s piece is an article that teachers and students of propaganda could profitably use as a source, as it clearly reveals many of the propagandist’s tricks in a very short piece. Indeed, anyone home-schooling could easily use the article to help their children to develop their critical thinking skills by analysing his bias and prejudices, which are blatant.

381700 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #210 of 2018 🔗

We aren’t exclusively concerned with saving lives. We are concerned with making lives worth living.

382054 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, #211 of 2018 🔗

These SJW just take a stance and whatever I say no matter that its unproven is now fact and if you oppose me you are an ist or a phobe. So this is how they cancel people. A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

383175 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Steve Hayes, #212 of 2018 🔗

These fuckers ,him and Piers Fuckface, who gives them the right to tell me how to think , to have my own opinions.. they can fuck right off…

381704 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marcus, 4, #213 of 2018 🔗

Not surprised with George Monbiot. He’s a nasty piece of work constantly smearing his critics. He’s also a privileged moron who lives in a rarefied bubble and his posts constantly smack of “let them eat cake”

382077 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #214 of 2018 🔗

The very definition of a Champagne Socialist – born in Henley-on-Thames to parents who were both Conservative party members, educated at Stowe before going to Oxford

383176 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to SimonCook, #215 of 2018 🔗

See above.. fuck him…

381620 artfelix, replying to artfelix, 33, #216 of 2018 🔗

It might not be a popular opinion but I think the whole cancel culture nonsense started when it became illegal in many places to deny the Holocaust happened.

Instead of just dealing like adults with a manifestly stupid theory that could easily be debunked, the legal system was used against an opinion. And that was the Trojan Horse that started the whole moral panic around banning “dangerous” ideas.

Every single reduction of liberty starts with a seemingly reasonable action – look at the three weeks to flatten the curve.

That is why – short of incitement to commit a physical crime, for which laws already exist – free speech is either absolute or doesn’t exist at all.

382403 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to artfelix, #217 of 2018 🔗

I wouldn’t like to impute causation from your first paragraph, but I note what you say.

381623 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #218 of 2018 🔗

The Sun: Boris Johnson ‘to unveil road map out of lockdown in mid-February’ as Britain on course to vaccinate 30m.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13860966/boris-johnson-road-map-out-of-lockdown-vaccines/

381694 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #219 of 2018 🔗

He has a road map. It goes from Lockdown to Lockdown with no side turnings.

382057 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 1, #220 of 2018 🔗

Well, we know where we’re goin’
But we don’t know where we’ve been
And we know what we’re knowin’
But we can’t say what we’ve seen

And we’re not little children
And we know what we want
And the future is certain
Give us time to work it out

We’re on a road to nowhere
Come on inside
Takin’ that ride to nowhere
We’ll take that ride

Thanks David Byrne – Talking heads

383019 ▶▶▶▶ AnotherEmma, replying to Spikedee1, #221 of 2018 🔗

Spot on

382117 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, #222 of 2018 🔗

30 million jabbed…holy crap….

382461 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Two-Six, 3, #223 of 2018 🔗

A potential health catastrophe

381624 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 15, #224 of 2018 🔗

I saw it earlier, and thought hmm perhaps not today it being Holocaust Memorial Day.
Please don’t be angry or offended. And please stay.

381627 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bluemoon, 14, #225 of 2018 🔗

“It’s only a shower/mask/vaccination”

381633 ▶▶ artfelix, replying to bluemoon, 23, #226 of 2018 🔗

Surely that’s the perfect day to remind people what happens when you erode liberties and allow government to enact hateful policies against minorities? The Holocaust was the end of long journey of tyranny, we’re just starting ours and who knows where it ends.

381658 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to artfelix, 2, #227 of 2018 🔗

You’re correct of course if people were sane and intelligent. But currently the victim culture is prevalent.
I consider the rest of NN’s posters are good enough for the Holocaust one not to be needed.

381642 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 14, #228 of 2018 🔗

I’m sorry you feel your time has been wasted. I have found your posts sometimes amusing, sometimes informative, sometimes provocative.

381672 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to bluemoon, 11, #229 of 2018 🔗

good luck, I understand you, you will be missed

381750 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to bluemoon, 7, #230 of 2018 🔗

You can always reincarnate under a new username.

381788 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to bluemoon, 8, #231 of 2018 🔗

Don’t leave. We need all the help we can get.

381789 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to bluemoon, 8, #232 of 2018 🔗

That is your choice and I have to agree that sometimes posting here is just a waste of my time. But is the only thing that is making me sane, but if the censorship continues I will follow you closely behind.

381989 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to bluemoon, 12, #233 of 2018 🔗

Your posts were never wasted. I used them in arguments with zealots to prove our points. I have had two converts away from zombies so I will be really sorry to see you go. If this site is under pressure on its content, why has nobody told us about this. We are all adults let’s have a conversation. What is this new pressure that’s needs us to be monitored? I have had nine months being able to say what I think, is this no longer the case?

382097 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to bluemoon, 10, #234 of 2018 🔗

Nothing you’ve written has been a waste of time. It has all been much appreciated by the rest of us.
If this place is abandoned or destroyed it will be a triumph for the Covidians. Is it not time to consider an independent, phoenix, site for dissenters?

382419 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to bluemoon, 4, #235 of 2018 🔗

It’s not futile. Your comments are always thoughtful and help keep us all sane.

And I’m also baffled at the censorship. It’s no more a parallel than then mask/yellow star one that has been drawn many times before,

381625 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #236 of 2018 🔗

Let’s be honest here, Pfeffel couldn’t lead a conga, never mind a political party or state. A Poundland Putin who struggles to run a household. He gets the runaround from a bunch goony scientists who – through poor performance – could’ve been thrown to the wolves a long time ago.

Why is he still in post?

381648 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #237 of 2018 🔗

Carrie loves him! 🙂

381654 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to TheClone, 13, #238 of 2018 🔗

Bet she doesn’t.

382021 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheClone, #239 of 2018 🔗

Dilyn loves him!

381666 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #240 of 2018 🔗

And what’s with the hair? Used to be unruly, now a total mess to convince us he is still abiding by the rules. I cut my husband’s hair every 3 weeks or he’d go stark staring bonkers. It’s not exactly up to his city barber’s standard but at least it’s tidy. Has Carrie lost her scissors?

382022 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to WasSteph, 1, #241 of 2018 🔗

Covering up bald spot, you can see it on HoC overhead cameras.

382064 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to WasSteph, 3, #242 of 2018 🔗

My wife does mine once a month. She even does the, you going out tonight? you going on holiday? conversation too.

Mind you would you let Carrie near him with a sharp set of scissors. There’s many a slip……

381632 JonRead, replying to JonRead, 7, #243 of 2018 🔗

Why all this hullabaloo about 100,000 deaths with covid? If it was 100,000 deaths of covid or from covid then that would be meaningful but this is just to terrorise those who are easily terrified. Why not report the numbers who died with piles or bad breath and if you do have piles and bite your nails you probably have bad breath as well.

381743 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JonRead, 4, #244 of 2018 🔗

If you applied the same 13 months of data to past years you would have 85-100 K dead from normal flu-resp-pneumonia. In the past year flu dead is running at about 1/2 the normal rate. So we might have 130 K dead with/from CV and the normal flu-resp-pneum dead. Yes it is an increase, yes maybe 5% of the over 75s might die from CV, but no, it is not a pandemic.

It is a fear-demic, with the cure worse than the disease. Why would anyone with a normal IQ support a complete lockdown and destruction of society? Isn’t there another way?

381635 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 20, #245 of 2018 🔗

Your meme would be accurate. Both the socialist-atheist Nazis and the socialist-atheist Communists used ‘settled’ science to sell their cults. Who wants to get in the way of the ‘science’ of Nazi evolution and only the fittest surviving etc.etc?

381637 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to FerdIII, 2, #246 of 2018 🔗

Science without ethics is pretty useless/dangerous

382146 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to FerdIII, #248 of 2018 🔗

There were very few (i.e. no) athiests running the slave labour camps in Ireland.

382511 ▶▶ Felice, replying to FerdIII, 1, #249 of 2018 🔗

FerdIII
Reply to NorthumbrianNomad
Your meme would be accurate. Both the socialist-atheist Nazis and the socialist-atheist Communists used ‘settled’ science to sell their cults. Who wants to get in the way of the ‘science’ of Nazi evolution and only the fittest surviving etc.etc?

NN
Reply to FerdIII
Thank you. That was precisely my point.

Ferd, I am about to use the red flag to alert the mod to why NN’s Holocaust meme should not be censored. Had your explanation been added, it would have been so much more powerful to those of us whose knowledge of history is so poor.

381638 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 20, #250 of 2018 🔗

100,000 deaths/UKs high death toll – it would have been useful to reiterate the validity of these figures as we know the criteria for registering the death if from a positive PCR test within 28 days, so throw yourself off a cliff after a positive test … The PCR tests at high cycle rates are known to throw out false positives, so how many actually have Covid and doctors can register a death on a mere suspicion, so influenza etc., become Covid. The numbers also include 2 winter seasons and we know most have comorbidities – there appears to be manipulation of death figures and LS needs to acknowledge this, even by adding words such as ‘claimed’ high death toll, or ‘supposed’. By stating it as a fact, then all previous assertions about manipulation of death figures us now redundant. I just think it is important to remind ourselves and new people to the site how these figures were achieved, it will be after all the ammunition they need to justify more restrictions.
On the appalling neglect of the elderly lady, this is criminal and her death would have been murder via wilful neglect. If you starved, abused a relative in your home to the point it resulted in death you would rightly be charged with their death. People need to start prosecuting against such cases – you would receive a prison sentence if an animal received such treatment.

381650 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hattie, 9, #251 of 2018 🔗

Quite right.
2017 and 2018 75 K died from flu-pneum-resp in the entire year. Both years.

CV 19 has included figures from Jan 2020 so over a full year.

If I did the same for say for 2017 overlapping a month into 2018, I would have 85 K dead from flu-pneum-resp. (about 2500 die a week in the normal year in Jan from flu-pneum-resp).

The Fake News and useless gov’t would never bother to do a proper comparison.

381643 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 32, #252 of 2018 🔗

I gave up on the MSM and the propaganda of the BBC last March. Have I missed anything ? meanwhile dear Clive in the real world I did deal with a Covid 28 day fatality yesterday. The patient was in their 90s and had been a revolving door patient for the last three months with cardiac failure. They tested PCR positive two weeks ago and so will be classified as one of the 100,000.

The staff in the office were busy yesterday with phoning the over 70 s for their vaccine which incidentally is marketed under the trade name ” Courageous ” . Make of that what you will. I did find out that for many it will be the first time they have left their house since March 2020 such is the power of the terror propaganda promoted by government and media.

It was rather amusing to be told that a few had to think of what ” outfit ” they were going to wear. … that generation still think of dressing well to go out.

381647 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #253 of 2018 🔗

Then back home, smart togs off and settle back into lockdown. What a way to live!

381716 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #254 of 2018 🔗

I gave up on the MSM last January!!

381917 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #255 of 2018 🔗

I’ve given up on the MSM years ago then boycotted Classic FM in April and finally cancelled my Times subscription in July.

382010 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #256 of 2018 🔗

Radio Swiss Classic is the one! No ads, no news, short intros, it’s online. There were a few Swiss government lockdown announcements early on which was an exciting change to programming at the time.

382040 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #257 of 2018 🔗

I’ve been listening to Radio Swiss Classic for months now and it’s great. I believe it was you who recommended it the first time round after I mentioned on this site that I was getting fed up with Classic FM and their NHS adverts so thanks a lot!!!

382003 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #258 of 2018 🔗

Sir Humphrey: If you want to be really sure that the Minister doesn’t accept it, you must say the decision is “courageous”.
Bernard: And that’s worse than “controversial”?
Sir Humphrey: Oh, yes! “Controversial” only means “this will lose you votes”. “Courageous” means “this will lose you the election”!

383462 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #259 of 2018 🔗

Yes, Prime Minister.

381646 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 45, #260 of 2018 🔗

We’ve reached a point now where lies are accepted as truths by the majority.
1) 100000 death toll of Covid. Nowhere near that number died “of” rather than with a positive test in the last 28 days. No understanding of previous years’ numbers or any context at all
2j Long Covid is a real and unique “thing”. Post viral symptoms which hang around in a few individuals have been recognised for years. But, hey, call it Long Covid and you can up the fear factor.
3). Masks work but we didn’t know it at the start. Utter bollox. At best they have a very minor impact and at worst, I.e. the way the majority use them they are filthy vectors of many infections
4) Asymptomatic transmission is a definite, we just didn’t know it at the start. Bollox on stilts. There is absolutely no proof.

We have absolutely no chance of these lies being discredited now. When it all finally ends, and it will but not soon enough, these will be givens and shore up our current PM’s irrefutable stance that he had to do what he did.

381690 ▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, 12, #261 of 2018 🔗

Yeah, like we still believe that Aryan blood is superior to semitic?
Rubbish ends up in the bin. Covvigarbage will end up there as well.

381692 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 2, #262 of 2018 🔗

I do hope so. Bad day as you can probably tell!

381985 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to WasSteph, 3, #263 of 2018 🔗

My theory is the regime ramped up the ‘Covid’ numbers at the start to cover up the initial cock ups and high death rates from inappropriate treatments (with ventilators for instance). Now well and truly hoist on their own ‘little beum’ nobody would believe the truth if they told it. So the regime and its NHS/Moloch mill stone go down taking us with them unfortunately.

381712 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WasSteph, 3, #264 of 2018 🔗

In fairness, bad science is always found out sooner rather than later these days.

381802 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Nick Rose, #265 of 2018 🔗

I hope so

381990 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #266 of 2018 🔗

Thermaggedon? Still waiting unfortunately. I think the reply to a question about delivery dates on a church project from a splendid Irish organ builder “It will be later rather than sooner.” will be nearer the mark.

381714 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to WasSteph, 12, #267 of 2018 🔗

I have been telling everyone whom I can that this figure of 100,000 is a complete lie. As we all know from numerous stories here, not only has COVID-19 been written on the death certificate when there was no hint of COVID-19, how many of these people are listed as COVID-19 deaths when it was something else that killed them?
All of the stories related on here are necessarily anecdotal because this government is lying.
I do not believe Johnson when he says ‘I am deeply sorry for every life lost’. This is another lie. How about those who who attempted suicide (a crime on his part of attempted murder), those who ACTUALLY committed suicide (a crime on his part of ACTUAL murder), those who had treatment deferred (like the woman who is now blind) which is the crime of grievous bodily harm. These are just some of the examples of pure unadulterated malice and evil on the part of this corrupt, evil, tyrannical and satanic government.
I shall produce some stickers today showing that a face-nappy (symbol) equals the swastika or the hammer and sickle.
Another poster I have in mind in מנ מנ תכל עפרסנ.
That ought to raise some questions.

381774 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to WasSteph, 11, #268 of 2018 🔗

It may potentially get worse. For example, I haven’t had it. No one in my family has had it. Yet all my immediate neighbours have. One of them is still in hospital although no one has died. How long before I’m pointed out as being the asymptomatic superspreading 21st century witch? Just a thought.

381800 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #269 of 2018 🔗

I saw Puddleglum with the devil.

381898 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #270 of 2018 🔗

Burn the Marsh Wiggle!

Debunking of the asymptomatic transmission and mask fallacies is absolutely key to our digging ourselves out of the Johnson Hole.

382059 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Puddleglum, #271 of 2018 🔗

I hear the sound of neighbours gathering brushwood for an open fire……be very careful

381655 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #272 of 2018 🔗

NZ is now in the hands of the PCR test they must interpret correctly. Apart from the community case which was pos and symptomatic (whose immediate contacts are neg), two more former persons isolated at the Pulham Isolation border hotel have been found PCR pos but asymptomatic. They had 2 negative test whilst in isolation and let free but now tested  pos without symptoms.NZ health authorities is now isolating them in their homes to determine if these are infectious cases or not.

NZ have been quite good at that before but just shows how difficult this is. The paranoia in society is going up and an MP is demanding explanation why these dangerous “cases” are around. Would it soon be demand on longer isolation?

Interesting. This might be the only country in the world, due to its isolation (see picture below) who just might pull it off safely avoiding C-19 if they select the safest vaccine with good coverage. But they have their winter coming which might put a spanner in the wheel. And the price 2 years total isolation from the world.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-two-more-cases-linked-to-pullman-hotel-being-investigated-by-health-officials/YEMCD54DH43JOI7SMDJKY3R5EU/

381722 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 11, #273 of 2018 🔗

It annoys me when NZ is used as a case for lockdowns and support for zero covid. They aren’t in a lockdown, it’s a lockout. Your picture demonstrates their real advantage perfectly .

381755 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 6, #274 of 2018 🔗

NZ will be the most likely place to actually kill somebody for breaking quarantine.

They will justify it by saying it is worth it after all the sacrifices they have made to protect 5M people.

The longer they carry on like this the more justification they will feel they have.

381769 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #275 of 2018 🔗

Hasn’t North Korea already killed people for breaking quarantine?

NZ would perhaps be the most likely democracy to do so though…

381807 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #276 of 2018 🔗

My NZ friend, formerly a mild woman, is all in favour of savage punishments for anybody harbouring covvie.

381966 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 3, #277 of 2018 🔗

Feels like Neville Shute’s On the Beach.

381662 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 42, #278 of 2018 🔗

The war analogy has been used extensively in the past year

However, this is not the Second World War it is Vietnam

An unwinnable war that was a stupid idea to start with

In Vietnam the ‘body count’ was the only measure of success. The body count was falsified to the extent that in the end nobody believed it

The ultimate extrapolation of the body count resulted in My Lai and the murdered babies counted as enemy
combatants

Ferguson, Hancock, or Whitty as General Westmorland?

Starmer as Nixon? The ultimate opportunist

Johnson and Johnson as prisoners of the military industrial and pharma industrial complexes

The war ended for a number of reasons

The war ended because the people tired of it.

The war ended because it was financially unsustainable

The war ended because people no longer wished to sacrifice their children to it

Initially the peace movement was just a handful of people who were seen as disloyal; in the end they brought the sorry mess to an end

381681 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 9, #279 of 2018 🔗

I love the smell of vindication in the morning

381691 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #280 of 2018 🔗

Do you mean embrocation

381734 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #281 of 2018 🔗

I had to Google that word. Yes, that as well.

381935 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #282 of 2018 🔗

Excellent both, Hernia Bay is just down the coast from me.

381702 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cecil B, 2, #283 of 2018 🔗

It also ended because of TV coverage, particularly of the body bags coming off transport planes. And our TV coverage?

381748 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to bluemoon, 2, #284 of 2018 🔗

Except this time around the media can’t get enough body bags to satiate themselves.

383479 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bluemoon, #285 of 2018 🔗

I saw that daily American TV coverage in the mid 1960s. Several years later I was drafted. After six months training I got my orders. I decided to escape to Canada and spent my final hours in the U.S.A. reading Animal Farm in a Washington State airport, while waiting for my flight to Vancouver, B.C.

381708 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 5, #286 of 2018 🔗

I think the WWII analogy works; it’s just that our position is analogous to that of the German anti-Nazis. We can’t win unassisted, and the regime can’t (or won’t) stop what it has started.

They’re doubling down. It’s their only move. And it can only end badly.

381939 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ovis, #287 of 2018 🔗

The regime and NHS/Moloch are co-dependent.

383470 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, #288 of 2018 🔗

My brothers and I were hanging out on Sunset Boulevard in ’66, ’67, ’68. There were two characters who used to pass by, both dressed up as phony Generals. One called himself General Wastemoreland. He had Fuller brushes as epilets on his shoulders. The other, General Hershey Bar. General Hershy (sp?) was in charge of the military draft.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=general+waste+more+land&ia=web

381670 WasSteph, 19, #289 of 2018 🔗

Please stay. Your posts are some of the more enlightened and interesting on this site. Hopefully over zealous censorship won’t last here.
I believe we all want to hear what everyone has to say unvarnished. Some people will overstep but that’s what grown ups have to learn to live with.

381671 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 30, #290 of 2018 🔗

Can you change your name to Lockdown Supporters – your first article today says ‘1,000 Covid deaths’. Nobody knows how many deaths have been caused by Covid or how many have been caused by lockdowns. Why don’t you start with ‘200,000 lockdown deaths’, just as meaningful.

381679 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bungle, 15, #291 of 2018 🔗

Yep – definitely getting frustrating reading government assumptions being parroted as headlines. Especially when on Twatter and FuckFace there is a growing movement towards increased consideration of lockdown harms, in particular children’s mental health.

381687 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bungle, 17, #292 of 2018 🔗

Toby, Will how about

“Government says “UK hits….””

The we know you are quoting them and not stating the “fact” yourselves.
I think we’re all getting pretty battle weary and need clear reassurance you don’t subscribe to all of that nonsense.

381689 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to WasSteph, 7, #293 of 2018 🔗

Hear hear, hear hear.

381703 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Bungle, 19, #294 of 2018 🔗

I have come round to the view that the Newsletter is just a front to allow the comments sections and the forums to continue. Peter Hitchens censored, Carl Heneghan disappeared, CEBM sidelined, Talk /Radio wishy washy and social media comments removed, it seems more than just a coincidence?

381675 Bart Simpson, 5, #295 of 2018 🔗

Great posters all. Should print them out and post them all around.

381682 WillieA, replying to WillieA, 37, #296 of 2018 🔗

I’ve been thinking a little more about the Government’s discontinued radio advert. The relevant extract is the following:

“Someone jogging, walking their dog or working out in the park is highly likely to have Covid-19. This is a national health emergency.”

Yet again, government propaganda makes use of subjective phrase. This time it is “highly likely”. I accept that this phrase can be interpreted in different ways.

To me, if I were to express probability in percentage terms, it would look something like this:

100% – certain
95% to 99% – virtually certain
80% to 95% – highly likely
60% to 80% – likely
50% to 60% – more likely than not
50% – evens
40% to 50% – more unlikely than not
20% to 40% – unlikely
5% to 20% – highly unlikely
1% to 5% – virtually impossible
0% – impossible

If we were to take the lower end of my range, “highly likely” means roughly 80%.

If we turn back to the Government’s radio advert, this means that the Government is claiming that 80% of joggers/dog walkers/park exercisers have coronavirus. This is equivalent to 40 out of every 50 of these people.

This is interesting because it was only recently that the Government announced at a coronavirus press briefing that they estimate that roughly 1 out of every 50 U.K. citizens has the virus. As such, the Government’s radio ad appears to claim that a jogger/dog walker/park exerciser is 40x more likely to have the virus than the average U.K. citizen.

This is a shocking overestimate.

To put the above in other words… The average full time salary in the U.K. is around £36,500. If I were to overestimate by a magnitude of 40x, I would believe the average full time salary in the U.K. was £1.46 million.

However, we should take this one stage further. A fair amount of the U.K. population are joggers/dog walkers/park exercisers. My (very finger in the air) estimate is that 1 in 5 U.K. citizens are either joggers, dog walkers or park exercisers. If we assume that that these people have a 40 in 50 chance of having the virus and that the remainder of the U.K. population has a zero chance of having coronavirus (unrealistic I know, but stay with me), the UK population as a whole would a 16% chance of having the virus – roughly 8 in 50. But we are told that the UK population as a whole has a 1 in 50 chance. The maths simply does not add up!

I cannot fathom how the Government are able to get away with blatant lies without even a slap on the wrist. The extent of the Government’s lies and propaganda are beyond anything I could ever have imagined happening in this country.

A question for the older and wiser visitors to this site – can you ever recall a time when the UK Government has gotten away with blatant lies as easily as it is currently?

381685 ▶▶ WillieA, replying to WillieA, 9, #297 of 2018 🔗

And just to add – I am a jogger, dog walker and park exerciser… I must be royally fucked!

381910 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to WillieA, 5, #298 of 2018 🔗

That’s a dogger I think.

381688 ▶▶ Annie, replying to WillieA, 13, #299 of 2018 🔗

I love people who can juggle with figures so effectively.
I can now glory in the supposition that, by virtue of being a dog walker, I have taken the dreadful burden of Covvieness off the backs of everybody else in my village.
Medal, please, you Fascist liars.

381706 ▶▶ John001, replying to WillieA, 9, #300 of 2018 🔗

The one in 50 claim is seriously inconsistent with the stranded lorry drivers in Kent.

According to LF tests, 36 in 15,500 of lorry drivers had it = one in 450.

So why did no-one ask such a question? I suppose the charitable answer is that no journalist can do mental arithmetic.

Sorry to hear of NN leaving. I believe fervently in free speech.

381816 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John001, 5, #301 of 2018 🔗

He’s left several times already.He’ll be right back.

382487 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Annie, #302 of 2018 🔗

I do hope you are correct

381922 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John001, #303 of 2018 🔗

LFT to the rescue as with students at Cambridge and St Andrews who needed to be sent home. All part of the addictive behaviour, PCR uppers, LFT downers.

This doll is extremely dangerous. It has voodoo qualities.

Danny The Dealer

381713 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to WillieA, 8, #304 of 2018 🔗

But more importantly – how likely are you to catch a virus outside if someone is within 2 metres of you for a millisecond? Has it ever occurred? If yes, it must be it airborne and ubiquitous so keep inside and seal your windows and doors. 🙄

381731 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Van Allen, 12, #305 of 2018 🔗

If you are jogging you are not sick. If you are not sick and don’t have symptoms you can’t spread a disease. I run all the time. I don’t have malaria for eg. so unlikely I can spread this viral infection. Ergo, no science to the asymptomatic claim. But, every time I run, the idiots will turn their backs, run behind a hedge, waddle to the other side of the road to avoid me….

381793 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Van Allen, 8, #306 of 2018 🔗

A very crude calculation based on an infected person breathing out 100,000 particles per breath means that each virus particle will occupy 335 litres of air in a 2m radius sphere. In a minute the average12 breaths will mean one particle in just under 30litres of air.
Each breath someone breaths in takes in half a litre of air, so someone would have to take 60 breaths (over 5 minutes at 12 per minute) to breath in just one particle . An infectious viral load is at least 1000 particles.
Obviously there won’t be even distributions of particles, but this calculation gives you an idea of the chances of picking up an infection, which I would say is infinitesimal.

381818 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Norman, 3, #307 of 2018 🔗

Pity the zombies can’t follow that reasoning.Their brains just shriek crimethink.

382115 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Van Allen, #308 of 2018 🔗

And get a decontamination chamber for food deliveries

382150 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Van Allen, 3, #309 of 2018 🔗

I think I caught a very small cold yesterday from an envelope. It’s gone now, THANKFULLY!
It was terrifying.

382479 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Two-Six, 2, #310 of 2018 🔗

was it an enveloped virus?

381736 ▶▶ Julian, replying to WillieA, 11, #311 of 2018 🔗

Lies – The Iraq war is the only thing in my memory that comes close

I doubt a UK govt has ever distorted the truth on such a widespread and deep basis over such a long period of time, to such ill effect, in all of recorded history

382110 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Julian, 4, #312 of 2018 🔗

Sadly as much as I hate the worse government in history. This is a most of the world’s government’s stupidity. They are all following the same stupidity. So no matter how many scientific papers prove lockdowns don’t work, no matter how many papers and scientists say masks don’t work. No matter how many scientists say there is another way. No matter how many psychologists say we are damaging children and adults. We will just ignore all that and use propaganda to silence you and shame you into shutting up.

381747 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to WillieA, 5, #313 of 2018 🔗

Global Warming

381686 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #314 of 2018 🔗

For me there will never be a return to normal. There may be a new normal

I’m reminded of the book
With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa By Eugene Sledge

Sledge a Marine gives a first hand account of the brutal fighting in the Pacific. He outlines in graphic detail the atrocities from both sides

Sledge quickly comes to the realisation that civilisation is a thin veneer that masks the bestiality in all human beings

Sledge was never the same person again

I have now experienced that bestiality first hand. I can never be the person I once was

381732 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 7, #315 of 2018 🔗

There has been a step change in safetyism with covid that we will be saddled with in most rich countries for decades probably, if not longer

I think it will be necessary to move to much poorer countries or outliers in order to have normal back again

381812 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Cecil B, 3, #316 of 2018 🔗

Read that..very accurate description of combat and the savage beast a man turns into on a drop of hat. I would also recommend Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes, another Marine that describes the futility of the war in Vietnam.

381693 Naomi, 12, #317 of 2018 🔗

He should leave teachers’ bins kerbside until schools are reopened to all, and exams reinstated. Eventually, negotiating all that refuse buildup in the front garden would pose a greater threat to life.
Cue the Spongebob narrator- “10 days later”…

381695 mj, 1, #318 of 2018 🔗

links? 2 links ok.. 3 links means it gets reviewed

381697 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 19, #319 of 2018 🔗

I have just seen the newspaper front pages (BBC website) and feel physically sick at the photos of Johnson – what an actor, just repulsive.
I am angrier than I have ever been throughout all this.
Heaven help us.

381715 ▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 12, #320 of 2018 🔗

Ps I did not see him on TV last night as I never watch these briefings as I cannot bear to watch him & his cohorts.
Had to stop watching BBC (any TV)listening to Radio 4 back at the beginning of all this nonsense.

381699 Alethea, 13, #321 of 2018 🔗

I understand your position, and I agree with it. But still, I hope you won’t go. I value your forceful, distinctive and elegant posts. Stay for us.

381705 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #322 of 2018 🔗

Notice to all grannies and granddads: Save your grandkids time and effort, kill yourselves.
PS: I’m a 72 year old granddad.

381902 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip, #323 of 2018 🔗

That’s the deal I’ve got (67, 3+). No need to leave them anything because I won’t demand years of lingering in a nursing home.

382477 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #324 of 2018 🔗

Well said.

381707 Norman, 2, #325 of 2018 🔗

Given a population of around 70M and an average lifespan of about 80 years, we should expect to lose an average of 875,000 souls per year (70m divided by 80). This assumes an even distribution of ages and statistics showing the average age to be around 40 would indicate that this estimate is reasonable.
Why isn’t the government doing more to reduce this awful statistic?

381709 Cecil B, 1, #326 of 2018 🔗

How was Holland last night?

381710 Julian, replying to Julian, 20, #327 of 2018 🔗

Disappointing main headline (100,000 deaths) and disappointing to read that posts are being deleted by moderators (see Northumbrian Nomad earlier)

I suspect both are mainly a consequence of the increased attacks on sceptics, and the likely increased scrutiny this site may be attracting from our enemies, and a desire not to give them material with which to attack us. I tend to think it’s the wrong decision, if indeed it is a decision, but it’s easy for me to say

Also disappointing to note that no well-funded group has emerged to fight the coronapanic, so we are reliant on guerilla action, lockdown fatigue, and a few courageous journalists and MPs to carry on the fight, which at present seems like a lost one

My only hopes are
1) The cabinet shrink back from ruining the economy even more in the next few months, because they are worried about re-election
2) When we’ve all been vaccinated and we are still locked down, people will know they’ve been had

Both are pretty slim hopes at present

381765 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Julian, 10, #328 of 2018 🔗

I think it was Gandhi who said:
‘First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.’

381711 james007, replying to james007, 18, #329 of 2018 🔗

“Bowman claims that the “focused protection” proposed by the scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration is impractical and would be unfair on the vulnerable who would be forced to shelter for months”

So it is fairer and more practical to lock up EVERYONE for months?

381723 ▶▶ John001, replying to james007, 4, #330 of 2018 🔗

Tubingen, Germany is said to have implemented it months ago.

381730 ▶▶ Julian, replying to james007, 4, #331 of 2018 🔗

It’s such a self-deating claim it gives you a picture of how secure they feel their position is because they have the moral high ground

381790 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to james007, 7, #332 of 2018 🔗

I think some people genuinely do feel this way! I have an acquaintance with asthma who believes it’s everyone’s moral duty to mask up etc so that she can go out. Makes me sick. She’s such a f-ing hypocrite.

381717 Skarphedin, 17, #333 of 2018 🔗

Bear in mind that the Government is soon going to hit a major mathematical problem. They say that the number of Covid deaths is 100,000. Just for the purposes of this calculation, let’s accept that. The scientific consensus on the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) is about 0,25%. If both those are true, then 40 million people in the UK have had the virus and we are basically at herd immunity.

Now the Govt will tell you that the UK IFR is something like 0.9%. Even then (and then there needs to be an explanation why the UK IFR is so much higher than everybody else’s), 11 million people have had the virus; add to that 25% of the population – 17 million who have pre-existing immunity and will never get it anyway, and we are at 28 million immune. Add to that 13 million vaccinees (although nearly half of them will already be immune, so don’t double-count) and we are at 35 million and there should be a noticeable effect on “cases” and near herd immunity.

This is what I mean by the Government running out of maths – their figures will not be logically sustainable any longer, as we will soon have more people immune than the total population of these isles. This, of course, is why the “mutants” are being brought in…

What do you think are realistic numbers? 30,000 actually dead from Covid, and an IFR of 0.15% (allowing for other studies also overdoing the mortality)? That would give 20 million infected, plus 20 million with pre-immunity (30% is a likely figure) – herd immunity is here. (And note how the “cases” are plummeting now – maybe we have actually reached herd immunity?)

381719 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #334 of 2018 🔗

Fauci reverting to “common sense” to sell the idea of more masking:

Dr. Anthony Fauci said that wearing two face masks “likely” provides more protection than wearing just one mask.

What is certain is that it increases the negative effects of mask wearing so it’s not simply a case of more protection = better outcomes.

I don’t have the time or resources to prove what I believe but all the data I’ve looked at suggests that our attempts to control this virus simply end up making things worse in the long run.

381728 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #335 of 2018 🔗

I wish I was a clever scientist like Fauci so I could say things like “likely” and be taken seriously

381878 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, #336 of 2018 🔗

I wish I was a the highest paid state employee in USA! More than Joe even.

383488 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nobody2021, #337 of 2018 🔗

That is most likely the outcome that they would like to see.

381720 CivilianNotCovidian, 27, #338 of 2018 🔗

Allison Pearson… THANK YOU!!!! Your courage and decency will never be forgotten… stay strong!

381721 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 15, #339 of 2018 🔗

Northumbrian Nomad

I’ve been told that a post I tried to make earlier was not in the best taste, and so it can’t be published. So I’m out of here. Before the doors slam shut.
It was one of my “posters” in the “Look them in the eyes” series. I used a photo of Holocaust victims and said “Look them in the eyes and tell them to follow the science”. I make no apology for it. My point was that “the science” is pseudoscience that is being used as a pretext for policies that are killing people. No disrespect to Holocaust victims was intended – quite the contrary. But the key point is that this site is now censoring awkward posts, and doing so with an email of the “We at LS respect free speech, but…” variety.
I won’t have that. So goodbye.

How does moderation work on this site?
How do the red flags work?

381727 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 5, #340 of 2018 🔗

I think the red flags report posts to the mods

I have seen references to posts being removed in the past but this is the first time it has seemed like a definite case rather than someone thinking they had posted when they hadn’t, or simply not being able to find it again

The red flags are new

There has always been an automated feature for posts with more than a certain number of links, and I think for people’s first posts after they sign up, that sends the posts into moderation

382502 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Julian, 2, #341 of 2018 🔗

You will see the red flag if you hover over ‘Reply’ to a thread. A black box then appears which says
‘Click to flag and open “comment reporting” form. You can choose reporting category and send message to website administrator. Admins may or may not choose to remove the comment or block the author. And please dont worry, your report will be anonymous’

So basically, admin has censored NN.
Time for us all to email whoever it is who helps Toby, and tell him he needs to acquaint himself with some history as to why the nazis persecuted the jews, ie they were following the science.

382990 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Steeve, 3, #342 of 2018 🔗

I must admit I’ve been disillusioned over the last few weeks at the reporting of the news – look at today’s headline – it could be the Telegraph. The idea of censorship here adds to my feeling that the site might becoming less sceptical. On top of this the apparent tacit acceptance of vaccination as an acceptable end of crisis strategy makes me I think I’ll invest my monthly donation elsewhere.
I understand that Toby can’t go full sceptic if he hopes to keep his job at the Spectator or ever write for a main-stream paper again and probably writes with more than half an eye on the governors of his other projects so maybe it might be time to hand over the reins to someone more robust. Dellers, anyone?

383493 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to cubby, #343 of 2018 🔗

I nominate The Alfred Deller Consort.

383500 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to cubby, #344 of 2018 🔗

Toby is being blackmailed. It’s a step by step process. Give up a little here, a little there. Before you know it, you have lost all your freedom. Sound familiar?

381724 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #345 of 2018 🔗

But read Allison Pearson’s article!

382412 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #346 of 2018 🔗

Unfortunately, although it is another good rant by Pearson, it’s the impact of that top headline that made me blink and ask myself if I’ve clicked on the right site! I agree with NN and I think it’s getting worse. Do we really need Wall Street pro-mask and pro-test propaganda pushed at us? Are we silly children who cannot think for ourselves and who have to be told to weigh-up the arguments for lockdown? Everyone has the pro-cult arguments pushed at them 24/7 so why does this site need to give the zealots such prominence?

Most LS know full well that masks are an intrinsic tool of fear and control and clearly have done nothing to ‘control the spread’. A glance at Biden’s creepy installation ceremony confirms this.. Do we really need to go over this ad nauseam?

As I’ve said before, I’m glad it’s here but, apart from the odd contributed article, BTL is the place to find the real sceptics. Maybe ATL has done it’s job and LS needs to evolve into something else.

Also, TY’s Twatter spat with Sam Bowman comes across as a bit lame to me, although he had a decent go at debunking the younger age-profile fear-porn. The anonymous piece by the financial journalist is a bit better

BTW I do get that TY has a livelihood to preserve but I think he (and some of the LS bloggers) are definitely on ‘the other side of the aisle’ from the likes of me now. MW

382539 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #347 of 2018 🔗

I am on the same side of the aisle as you MW!

381725 micktravis, replying to micktravis, 9, #348 of 2018 🔗

Any story in the coincidence between the 2 countries, South Africa & Brazil, where Covid-19 variants are deemed to have originated from (& from which travel/quarantine to the UK are now required) being the same 2 used for vaccine testing back in June? http://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2612

382190 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to micktravis, 2, #349 of 2018 🔗

This has puzzled me as well.

381733 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #350 of 2018 🔗

I thought the risk from asymptomatic spread had been debunked?
From last nights update by the Spectator “ Whitty was rather more constructive, saying scientists didn’t initially appreciate the importance of asymptomatic transmission

Is he lying?

381754 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Robin Birch, 18, #351 of 2018 🔗

Asymptomatic is the Dark Matter required to explain what you observe only if you believe that lockdowns work and that the PCR test is accurate.

382361 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Achilles, 3, #352 of 2018 🔗

Some might call it the Covid-narrative’s logical equivalent of passive smoking.

381860 ▶▶ kate, replying to Robin Birch, 2, #353 of 2018 🔗

Yep

381869 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kate, 5, #354 of 2018 🔗

Absolutely, this was the Big Lie used by CCP to get the psyop going.

381959 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Robin Birch, 6, #355 of 2018 🔗

Yes there is no such a thing as asymptomatic spread!

However the government is actively using asymptomatic spread as a reason to scare people and get them to wear masks

381737 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #356 of 2018 🔗

Are there figures for those people included in the 100,000 who died “OF” Covid not “ WITH” Covid ?

381891 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #357 of 2018 🔗

of course there isnt . that is why they can quote such bullshit figures.
they include anyone where covid is mentioned on the death certificate (so it is possible to remove those with underlying causes as this data is available.
But of course they also include those that died within 28 days of a positive test an we know that many of these caught covid in hospital , or had a dodgy test, but regardless of how they died they are included .

381738 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #358 of 2018 🔗

Headline should say 100,000 Ablative Covid Deaths – “by, with or from”

381865 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #359 of 2018 🔗

‘Died of ACD’ sounds suitably terrifying.

381881 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #360 of 2018 🔗

“Absolutely”!

381739 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 14, #361 of 2018 🔗

And today’s Neil Ferguson Fruitcake Award for over-egging the Covid pudding goes to Professor Calum Semple, fellow SAGE crony, who yesterday predicted there could be another 50,000 deaths from coronavirus, and warned ( wait and then savour this ) that every Covid fatality…
“represents probably four or five people who survive but are damaged
…by the disease.
“It would really not surprise me if we’re looking at another 40-50,000 deaths before this burns out, ” he told BBC Two’s Newsnight programme.

I wonder how many people will ‘survive but are damaged’ by lockdown?.

381745 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #362 of 2018 🔗

40 k dead in the next year? That is about 1/2 the normal dead count from flu-pneumonia-respiratory illnesses. Is he conflating the normal flu now with CV 19? Where is the end to end audit from MCCD to the pronounced numbers which validates the 100 K dead claim (from, not with CV 19)?

381756 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FerdIII, 3, #363 of 2018 🔗

Since July 2020 the cut and paste mapping of C19 predictions onto previous annual flu death graphs has largely gone unchallenged. From the 100% predictable September ‘second spike’ to the subsequent decline before the winter bugs kick in happen every year. Likewise C19 will ease/decline in Feb & March, but of course this will be because of lockdown this time round.
The conflation of Flu/C19 goes hand in hand with the near miraculous eradication of Flu deaths in the official records of countries like Ireland and Australia. All praise PCR!!

381781 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #364 of 2018 🔗

PS: If (or rather when) Prof. Semple’s comments are accepted by the Govt, it will mean insurance policies will have justifiable C19 clauses to inflate the premium of anyone that has had (and recovered from) C19, or refuse them outright, as they now represent increased risk. Of course there will be vaccination clauses to help mitigate this (you know, 5% off your first premium payment on production of a government vaxx certificate).

382768 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #365 of 2018 🔗

Unless they find ADE with the vaccines. Then the insurance premiums for the vaccinated will sky rocket.

381839 ▶▶ Annie, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #366 of 2018 🔗

We are all damaged.

381740 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #367 of 2018 🔗

The headline. Are we sure they are all covid deaths?

381746 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 15, #368 of 2018 🔗

CV is now everything. Ambulance drivers will tell you that car accident dead who test positive before or even after their death, will have CV attached to the MCCD.

381753 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to DanClarke, 10, #369 of 2018 🔗

We are sure they are not all covid deaths.

381742 jb12, replying to jb12, 38, #370 of 2018 🔗

I have got to say, if we could transpose the comments section to some other forum I would not be back on this site. I barely read the stuff above the line now. Look at the headline here today: ‘100,000 deaths’ with no analysis: no questioning of the dodgy counting, no context of overall mortality rates given, no wondering why we don’t count flu deaths as a running total over a number of seasons etc. Something has happened here over the autumn, this site has allowed the government to set the framework of the debate with its ‘cases’ and all deaths as Covid deaths and vaccines are a way out of lockdowns.

381749 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jb12, 26, #371 of 2018 🔗

I’m only here for the comments these days.

381896 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #372 of 2018 🔗

And some of the good articles from sites like Spiked Online and interviews.

381819 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jb12, 7, #373 of 2018 🔗

Same here…I stopped reading this about August time. Same depressing shit all the time, but look here is the evidence..yeah,yeah..We know all of that, don’t mean shit to 99% of the population. Like trying to tell people of Heavens gate that wearing Nikes is maybe a bad idea while they are already on fucking fire…Pointless

381875 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #374 of 2018 🔗

The problem is that once you stop responding to the mainstream narrative about the “pandemic” you need to think about the other reasons underlying this event.

That leads to much more dangerous discussions, not to be discussed in any mainstream platform, only safe to be discussed below the line. Like major financial collapse (which occurred last year, never mentioned in the MSM) the Great Reset, the widespread corruption and asset stripping of the country that is going on (and probably being participated in by our politicians and media tycoons)

None of this can be openly discussed, so it never appears where it can be easily found.

382357 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kate, 2, #375 of 2018 🔗

September 16th/17th, 2019, in fact. The financial catastrophe staved off by unpublicised measures which the Fed wouldn’t talk about in press conferences afterwards, I mean.

383506 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Thomas_E, #376 of 2018 🔗

I don’t read the headlines much. I prefer the comments of all the people that support this site.

381744 Nick Rose, 7, #377 of 2018 🔗

Will miss you if you go :o((

381751 Fiona Walker, 2, #378 of 2018 🔗

Excellent poster, but they will probably counter that smallpox was eliminated by vaccination and that we should equally be going for zero Covid.

381752 nottingham69, 21, #379 of 2018 🔗

First of all dying of the Chinese Communist Party virus or with it bringing to the boil existing bad health is not a good way to go. So I do feel for the suffering those mainly old people and close families have gone through.

Johnson has been a pretty cowardly leader, particularly since his own illness. To just blame him though as the media seem to want to do is wrong.

The leading scientific and medical community have had one answer as we know, any attempt to mitigate the damage with existing cheap treatments as used in many much poorer countries round the world, have been met with ridicule. Hancock and his opinion on mass vitamin D use, a perfect example.

All the main plans these experts have led the government to have failed. Some NHS Trusts also perform much worse than others in infection control and overall mortality performance, totally ignored. We had a CCP Virus breakout in Tameside Hospital in August, barely covered in the media. If it had been maybe that could have kicked this government into some proper action to save lives this winter. The summer was wasted.

The media themselves are not blameless. Selfish, frightened and focusing on side issues. First it was PPE, then test and trace, which could never work without an accurate diagnostic test, face muzzles, asymptomatic spread, totally implausible.

Now we have this constant comparison to New Zealand, which is totally irrelevant to the issues Johnson should be focusing on. Which is re-opening the economy and saving lives from CCP Virus and other factors as well in the future. Focusing on what DeSantis has done in Florida is far more relevant than New Zealand.

Every day of cowardly policy shutting business that could open in total safety, every day a young child is out of school, will wreck and shorten lives in the future. Wanting to be New Zealand just isn’t going to happen in the UK. Patel can’t even stop hundreds of illegals getting here every week.

381757 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 70, #380 of 2018 🔗

Don’t get me wrong; I am eternally grateful to Toby for setting up this site at the beginning and all the comments BTL keep me sane, but the daily updates recently have been quite disappointing. They seem to take a very concessionary, pussy-footing tone, and today’s ‘100,000 deaths’ headline, without the analysis I have to expect and appreciate from LS, was very disappointing indeed. No emphasis on distinction between ‘with’ and ‘of’; no mention of the 28 days after a positive test; no age breakdown of those who have died; and no analysis of excess deaths and how many of these can be attributed to lockdowns rather than Covid.

I don’t see why we should concede any ground at all to the zealots, because they don’t concede any ground to us. Rather, they smear us and use ad hominem and straw man arguments to misrepresent our salient points.

I am no longer a ‘lockdown sceptic’. I am an ‘anti-lockdowner’. I am so vehemently against this cruel and inhumane intervention and it is abundantly clear to me and has been from the beginning that lockdowns do not work and do more harm than good.

The government claims lockdowns work. They are also ‘sorry’ for ‘100,000 deaths’. Well, if lockdowns work, then why do we have so many deaths? Can’t have it both ways.

381795 ▶▶ JASA, replying to Poppy, 9, #381 of 2018 🔗

As I comment below, I complained to Toby et al. yesterday about the narrative of the daily updates and the feedback wasn’t very encouraging. I have just complained, constructively, again. We should all write in and point out our disappointment in the slipping narrative and standards.

382185 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JASA, 1, #382 of 2018 🔗

What did he say?

381801 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 42, #383 of 2018 🔗

I feel exactly the same, Poppy. I’ve always appreciated your views on here. I no longer am a lockdown sceptic. I am fiercely anti-lockdown. It is an authoritarian tactic that has no place, NO PLACE in any liberal democracy, no matter how many people die of anything. It is abusive to blame someone (especially a child!) for killing people by going about their ordinary lives. Any government restrictions over who you can see in your private home is absurd. The very notion of “banning” or even “limiting” gatherings is a direct oppression of our fundamental right to protest. It’s all been drip fed to people… the “stay home to save lives”, the “don’t hug your granny”, the “social distance”, the “wearing of a mask to protect others” – every tactic is a slow conditioning of people to make them accept the idea that their lives, their bodies, belong to the state, not them.

I am alarmed to read BTL comments have been moderated. I began 2020 as a left-leaning Remainer. I also believed in censorship. Joining a site founded by Toby Young was a sign of just how desperate I became in the face of this tsunami of state control and abuse of power that started in March. I have not changed my political position, but I have had my mind opened to the importance of free speech and the dangers of groupthink.

I believe that ordinary citizens should never be censored. It is vital that we know what is going on in everyone’s minds… we can challenge their opinions and we can all learn and evolve in the process. Critical debate is essential for human progress. But I believe our leaders SHOULD be censored. Politicians should be moderated. They cannot be allowed to say whatever they want to people. That is not democracy, that is a dictatorship. Their addresses should be carefully edited by neutral civil servants. Politicians should NOT be allowed social media accounts. This is where it all started to go wrong. The only place where they should be allowed to speak freely is in Parliament where they are subject to opposition and scrutiny. This is where they should be held to account, not on Twitter! At the moment, we have no Parliament because numbers are restricted. We have no democracy. We have been destroyed. We are under the direct control of a few compromised (by their own hysteria and megalomania) individuals. If we don’t reclaim and restore our fundamental democratic structure and find a constructive way back to normality soon, we may not do so for several generations. Whose court is the ball in? We can’t give up. When you are going through hell, keep going.

381852 ▶▶ mj, replying to Poppy, 7, #384 of 2018 🔗

As most people here are regulars, then some of the information that the government puts about relating to deaths with or from, and cases etc are all understood by us to be horseshit . We all know that there has not been 100,000 deaths from covid.
And those that write the daily blog know that we know .
So I can understand that it is unnecessary when reporting items like the fat controllers speech to tell us again that it refers to “deaths with” because we already know and they dont need to waste space telling us.
Sure if they are writing anything elsewhere i would expect them to always add the appropriate caveats.

383057 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to mj, #385 of 2018 🔗

Exactly!

381887 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 15, #386 of 2018 🔗

I agree. And yes we should change our name from “lockdown sceptics” to “anti-lockdown”. Surely given we’re now nearly a year into this shit show, this shows that lockdowns categorically don’t work and the collateral damage will outlast any effects of the virus not only for years but decades to come (and in the cases of many children even for life).

Any moves to censor contrary arguments and facts should be resisted at all costs.

And if the government are truly sorry then why continue to terrorise and frighten the populace? The time will come when people wake up to the fact that they’ve been frightened and lied to and when the state needs its people they will find that there is no-one around.

381980 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Poppy, 9, #387 of 2018 🔗

On your last point, didn’t Neil Ferguson say once lockdown was implemented in March that there would only be about 20,000 deaths and possibly fewer than that? What happened to that prediction? It might in fact be close to the truth, if all the misattributed deaths were removed, but then that changes the whole narrative.

381759 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 5, #388 of 2018 🔗

I just wish there was a way to share a link of that dance teachers little video. Checked in vain for it on YouTube to find a way to do so. There is no limit, it seems, to just how self-entitled some people are (ie those teachers).

381791 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to ElizaP, 1, #389 of 2018 🔗

Classic isn’t it. I was praying the clown on the railings would fall into the icy lake while exhorting us to be safe.

381806 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to ElizaP, 2, #390 of 2018 🔗

The comments on that tweet are very funny.

381763 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #391 of 2018 🔗

Well, here it is, people. Confirmation that the government will mislead you without consequences to themselves: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/561730?reveal_response=yes

381866 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #392 of 2018 🔗

It all boils down to them claiming that MPs are held accountable during elections, which means they’re free to do as they please until election time. Not only that, but how can we trust they will be held accountable when the public is so easily misled and elections are no longer trustworthy?

I feel we must all strongly insist on this point, that MPs should be held immediately accountable by the law for misleading the public.

381764 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #393 of 2018 🔗

Here is something I don’t remember seeing from November. It is the heat related deaths for 2020. It does question how many of these were Covid related and to me, is another one of the many questions that need to be asked, before claiming such a large rate of Covid deaths over the last year.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-heatwave-mortality-monitoring/heatwave-mortality-monitoring-report-2020

I’m not a Covid denier, I just think “The Science” is bollocks.

381810 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #394 of 2018 🔗

I am irritated by that oft-repeated phrase, ‘I’m not a covid-denier’ – dissociating oneself from the far-out loons: I think the far-out loons are those who have fallen for the fantasy that the planet is being stalked by a deadly killer virus; it’s ALL bollox, why should we accept ANY of it?

381895 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #395 of 2018 🔗

I’m quite comfortable coming out as a conspiracy theorist now. It’s seems to be the most sane position.

381767 Bella Donna, 10, #396 of 2018 🔗

I can’t look at any of them!

381768 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 13, #397 of 2018 🔗

Yep. It hit me in the face. 100,000 ‘with’ Covid??? OK, what’s happening here. This is bugging me now.

381813 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 10, #398 of 2018 🔗

Yes me too. This number is utter bollocks.

381864 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 15, #399 of 2018 🔗

Quite… plus 500,000 people die every year so 100,000 of Covid is meaningless out of context.

381988 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to robnicholson, 8, #400 of 2018 🔗

And by coincidence the 800,000 increase in unemployment for the latest quarter, announced the same day but quietly then forgotten by the media.

382343 ▶▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to davews, 2, #401 of 2018 🔗

And tucked away in the Sunday Times a smalll paragraph whereby a Cabinet Office Minister acknowledged last week that the UK had contributed £226 billion to the EU budgetsince 1973 and £300billion on Covid in under a year!

382346 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to robnicholson, 1, #402 of 2018 🔗

Give it time. Boris will be apologizing for that too. Remember, Blair had to ‘apologize’ for the Irish potato famine. These politicians are like Bars of Soap

[Please add your own punchline below!]

382420 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to popo says, #403 of 2018 🔗

I wish I’d said that, Whistler.

383285 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to popo says, #404 of 2018 🔗

The Pope apologised for the Crusades a few years ago.

383294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 1, #405 of 2018 🔗

I’m a snake in the grass, so I would like to apologise for my encounter with a rather nice young lady called Eve about 4000 years ago. I’m really sorry about all the begatting that resulted from my slight indiscretion.

383422 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, #406 of 2018 🔗

The Catholic Church probably would not have survived without the Crusades. And the Knights Templar.

382299 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 8, #407 of 2018 🔗

100,000 with CV19 mentioned on the death certificate.
That’s not 100,000 who’ve died from CV19. Or even with.

383276 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to LMS2, 1, #408 of 2018 🔗

It is people who died within 28 days of a positive covid test result (which themselves are largely false positives). So if someone gets a (false-)positive result and then commits suicde out of fear, their death is counted as a covid death. Nice scam for selling vaccines if you can get in on it.

I have seen UK govt documents showing graphs of deaths within 28 days of a positive test, and within 60 days of a positive test. The number of deaths are substantially higher in the 60 day case. I wonder if the government has silently shifted from 28 days to 60 days to keep the fear levels raised.

383282 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #409 of 2018 🔗

I believe they have moved to the ‘within 60 days’ metric.

383325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #410 of 2018 🔗

TVM Andrea,

A nice way of possibly doubling the figures. It is also an open fraud. If a company did that sort of thing with its books, there would be jail time. If any medic has signed off on this, they need to be reported to their professional body, as happened with the psychologists involved.

383106 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #411 of 2018 🔗

ALSO… how many could have been saved with HCQ?

383222 ▶▶▶ caipirinha17, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #412 of 2018 🔗

Or ivermectin.

383529 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #413 of 2018 🔗

Where’s the profit in that?

381772 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 37, #414 of 2018 🔗

The economics of the madhouse

I was just reading about the government’s £34 billion borrowing during December and the pushing half a trillion pound borrowing since lockdowns began.

Has there ever been a more disgraceful waste of public funds? When you think of what could have been achieved with these funds…state of the art hospitals, new technical and vocational and grammar schools free for all to break the stranglehold of the private schools, the opening up of new railways or grand schemes of nature conservation ….take your pick from any number of projects.

Instead the funds have been blown up the wall on paying millions to stay at home getting fat and ruining their health both mentally and physically, paying private contracts to companies to terrorise the population with what can only be described as pandemic porn, creating jobs for wretched ‘covid marshals’ to make people’s lives even more miserable when visiting town centres.

We have had some rotten governments in recent decades but nothing comes close to this ghastly shower. Can anyone think of anything useful to show for this avalanche of spending? Never has so much money been spent to achieve so little. In fact when one ventures outside all one sees is devastated town centres.

Its the equivalent of a drug and gambling addicted individual borrowing from every conceivable source to blow the lot on crack cocaine and online bingo with absolutely zero to show for it at the end. It just beggars belief.

381803 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #415 of 2018 🔗

Its the equivalent of a drug and gambling addicted individual borrowing from every conceivable source to blow the lot on crack cocaine and online bingo with absolutely zero to show for it at the end. It just beggars belief.

spot on, that’s exactly what’s happening. the government has lost its mind, it is completely deranged, it needs to be neutralised, for the equivalent of the men in white coats to come along and take all means of causing harm out of its hands and lock it up in a padded cell

381855 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #416 of 2018 🔗

Mike Lindell boss of My Pillow in USA was so far gone with his crack cocaine habit that his dealers finally intervened to save him (and the company) and now work for him! Unfortunately for us Boris’s dealers are less scrupulous.

381880 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #417 of 2018 🔗

Boris is working for the dealers

382011 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #418 of 2018 🔗

To be fair Boris did begin to get into his groove for squandering when London Mayor with his garden bridge (enquiry? What’s that!?), watercannon and loss making ‘Boris bikes’

383079 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Boris Bullshit, #419 of 2018 🔗

Absolutely disgraceful – you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Earlier on last year there was mention of how we could have paid for every old ill person to have some brilliant state of the art health and social service to compensate them from being ‘shielded’. And then and left the rest of society to get on with normal life.

381773 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #420 of 2018 🔗

The government have fudged the data with the dodgy PCR test. Something we understand but the general population can’t wrap their head around. A case is a case is a COVID death, it’s as simple as that to them especially if the big box says it.

However, we don’t need to argue that anymore. By fudging the data lockdown has unequivocally not worked. We now have one of the worst COVID mortality rates by their own figures. The policy failed every other Country that didn’t impose lockdown fared better without all the collaterol damage.

So next time you hear as is guaranteed “well 100,000 have died”. “Okay, so you agree lockdown doesn’t work?”

381872 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #421 of 2018 🔗

I saw it phrased another way somewhere..your chances of dying from Covid increase significantly if you are an elderly person living in London, Belgium, Lombardy, NYC etc.

381775 Will, replying to Will, 9, #422 of 2018 🔗

I still don’t understand why people who oppose lockdown are seeking to underestimate the “covid deaths”. All these deaths are a result of lockdown. Early lockdown as in Spain, Italy and the Czech Republic or later lockdown as in the UK has led to the same debacle with three or four times the death and destruction to come because of lockdown, not covid, lockdown. What we are seeing is exactly what Vallance said we would see on March 12th:

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

381811 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #423 of 2018 🔗

And I still don’t understand the point you are making, nor what Vallance is saying here – it seems like gobbledegook to me.

381847 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #424 of 2018 🔗

It’s basically just the original argument made against lockdowns – that to the extent that they “succeed” at all, you are in the same place when you come out as you were when you went in

So given that respiratory impact and pressure on the system is always peaking in winter, if you push the covid infections back in spring they will hit you again at the worst time – the following winter. So I think the point is that if the pressure of numbers this winter peak gets too high for us to sustain the argument that lockdown is not justified (which I think is what panicked a lot of former antilockdowners such as Snowdon over to the collaborationist side), it might make sense instead to shift to that argument, to win the “blame game” for the winter deaths.

The trouble is, imo , it’s a little too clever for its own good, in practice. It contradicts all the past claims that lockdowns don’t work, and undermines all the attempts to question the basic government lies. Especially when as far as I can see we are on the downward slope now as far as the winter upsurge is concerned. We might of course have another peak later in the winter season.

381949 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 2, #425 of 2018 🔗

Just to add, imho, the first lockdown did, sort of work, but only because it was applied after the virus had already peaked and because compliance was nearly universal; and all it has achieved is more covid deaths in the winter. For the first lockdown to have actually had a vague chance of stopping the trajectory of the curve in March it would have had to have been applied as strictly and observed as assiduously, when no one in the country was even dying with Covid. The idea you would have achieved such a level of compliance is fanciful and, even if you had “stopped” the virus, as seen in the Czech Republic, you would then have face a much larger surge in the autumn, and a population who are no longer compliant. This lockdown in the UK is pointless because everyone has given up.

381863 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 4, #426 of 2018 🔗

It doesn’t matter whether the vallance quote is strictly true or not. To try and deny the existence of a “second wave” of covid is pointless. It has been enormously exaggerated by the PCR test etc, but it is much more sensible to argue within the parameters of the situation within which people believe themselves to be than to tell everyone they are wrong and there isn’t a “second wave”. The point is to lay the blame for the severity of the second wave on the first lockdown. That is a winnable argument. Arguing there isn’t a “second wave”, whilst correct, isn’t going to win any arguments, indeed it is an unwinnable argument.

381921 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 5, #427 of 2018 🔗

To try and deny the existence of a “second wave” of covid is pointless .”

Why? Seems to me we are seeing a winter upsurge in endemic seasonal respiratory viruses, in which the new coronavirus is dominant. Why do we have to accept the lockdowners’ self-serving terminology for it, when it seems inappropriate on its face? As far as I can see, the shape of the deaths curve is very much that of a winter upsurge, not an epidemic wave.

Why is that any more “unwinnable” than any true argument is, in the face of the lockdowners’ domination of the high ground?

But in any case, you can make the case that it was worse because of lockdown without going all in by accepting the state’s gross exaggeration of the disease impact.

So why not be more correct in the headline and put it as: 100,000 “covid” deaths, and emphasise the dishonesty as well?

381992 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 1, #428 of 2018 🔗

I agree with you that what we are seeing is nothing remarkable but whilst saying that, it is also possible to highlight that the excess deaths we are seeing now have been caused by the first lockdown.

382008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, #429 of 2018 🔗

Yes, but why not simultaneously highlight the dishonest exaggeration?

382038 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Mark, 1, #430 of 2018 🔗

Second wave implies is all part of the same continuous epidemic. We need to stress it is the rather the second of a now endemic disease. This stops the 100k thing being used as most of that is from the epidemic phase last year.

381822 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 6, #431 of 2018 🔗

My immediate first reaction to visiting the site this morning was dismay at the headline, and to wonder why at least there weren’t sceptical quotes around the covid part of covid deaths. The simple fact is that the number quoted is unquestionably not people dying of covid, for a number of reasons.

So if your explanation is the reason for this, we are gambling on accepting the state’s black propaganda numbers and turning them back against the lockdowners by a clever bit of political jujitsu?

Now I don’t dispute your basic argument – that part of the severity of the winter upturn was due to lockdown. What I question is whether it makes political sense to gamble everything on trying to establish that counter-narrative in the teeth of systemic pro-lockdown dominance of the mainstream media.

Because in the course of trying to do that we are sabotaging most of our fellow anti-lockdowners’ personal positions and morale.

High risk, imo. I’d rather keep pointing out the dishonesty of the state position.

381885 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 2, #432 of 2018 🔗

I think it is possible to do both by highlighting the extent of initial infections in the UK and that the peak of infections was weeks ahead of the lockdown anyway. All the lockdowns achieved was to not expose healthy people to the virus, when the virus was already on the wane, when their immune systems would have been better able to deal with the exposure than in the winter, the hospitals were empty anyway and the virus ended up being spread by those with the most compromised immune systems, increasing the likelihood of the virus becoming more virulent. I don’t really understand the philosophical objection to winning an argument.

381907 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 3, #433 of 2018 🔗

I don’t think making that point is incompatible with pointing out the lie in the claim of 100,00 covid deaths.

381867 ▶▶ mj, replying to Will, 4, #434 of 2018 🔗

we want to have “deaths from covid” i.e where people have died from the covid virus itself to be distinguished from “deaths with covid” and both of these to be distinguished from “deaths due to lockdown”.
otherwise we will continue to underestimate “covid deaths” as they are not what it says on the tin

381777 Mike, replying to Mike, 14, #435 of 2018 🔗

Lost in the system.
Whether you support the NHS or not, from my experience over the last couple of years (pre COVID) I don’t think what we’re seeing with regards to care for older people is anything new. What I do think is different is that the level of scrutiny which the NHS is put under is extremely low to none existent; the subsequent mis-treatment of the old and infirm is a form of financial triage which they can now hide under covid with virtually zero questions asked.

I’ve had 2 grand parents die of what can only be described as neglect just prior to the COVID situation kicking off. In both cases the initial days of treatment (read non-treatment) were instrumental in their rapid decline in health/condition. It was only through repeat confrontations with the hospital staff that basic necessities such as food and water were re-administered. Unfortunately in both cases the push back from family came to late, with a belief that the doctors know best up until it became evident they didn’t.

382310 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Mike, 6, #436 of 2018 🔗

I fully agree. Six years ago my 89 year old mother spent eight weeks in hospital (one week being successfully treated for sepsis and seven weeks being ‘treated’ for numerous nosocomial infections). She was ‘kept’ in a morphine induced semi comatose state and we would go into the hospital to find water out of reach, and barely reachable cold, uneaten food which was then taken away, usually with the jovial remark shouted in her direction of “Weren’t you hungry, Margaret?”, addressed to someone who was barely conscious. We used to take in soup for her and feed her with it just to keep her alive, much to the obvious disapproval of the ‘caring’ ward nurses.

When we realised that the intention was to neglect her to a point that she would die, we fought tooth and nail to have her released to come home. As with your circumstances, this led to serious confrontations with nurses and doctors who said we should expect a decline at her age. Can you believe that the ward staff and social services were concerned that we might be incapable of “looking after her properly”? She was in a shocking state, far worse than on her admittance to hospital. She had been admitted weighing about nine stone and she looked like someone who had been in Belsen, probably weighing about six stone. Her ribs and hips stood out prominently and she had moisture lesions inside her thighs and a massive pressure sore (about two inches across) on the back of her head. Within a month her weight had increased to about eight stone. The pressure sore took about eighteen months to heal completely. She lived to the age of 95 but permanently bore the legacies of mistreatment and neglect in the hospital.

381778 katz, 23, #437 of 2018 🔗

What’s with the headline today? I may as well look at Boris’s Bullshit Corporation news.

381780 alw, 3, #438 of 2018 🔗

“Educational staff and adults within the school setting are generally not seen to be at a higher risk of infection than other occupations..” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1354275514295476224 )

381782 alw, replying to alw, 6, #439 of 2018 🔗

No play, no pals, fraught parents: How lockdown is hitting the under-fives”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/no-play-no-pals-fraught-parents-how-lockdown-is-hitting-the-under-fives/

381941 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to alw, 11, #440 of 2018 🔗

As a parent of 2 under 5 , both of my children are missing their usual play groups , soft play and friends.

My youngest doesn’t realise what is going on but my eldest knows something is happening and this has effect her , she has had more melt downs as she can’t do something she would normally do. Other friends who have children them same age have reported the same.

She goes to nursery and I’m thankful she has that social interaction with other children two days a week.

Currently I’m also due our third baby in a few months and once the baby has been born then no one can come and see us at all in the hospital. The support network for pre and post natal has been completely taken away.

It’s disgusting the way they are treating our future generations as it’s going to store up a lot of problems for them.

381786 Thomas_E, 35, #441 of 2018 🔗

Look..I have family members who are Holocausts survivor and I would not be offended by this, not even at the slightest. I have a strong bet that neither would my 93 year old nan, who still has a tattoo on her arm. BTW..she is my only supporter within a family, she had corona, got over it in 2 days and now she is full on sceptic.

381792 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #442 of 2018 🔗

I’ve produced a chart of the Age Standardised Mortality (that is all cause mortality adjusting for population size and age structure) for Wales based on monthly ONS data from January 2001 to December 2020 (inclusive of both months).

I previously posted the English chart.

At the moment this year’s Wales Winter mortality peak is below the January 2018 Winter peak. But we can expect the January 2021 mortality figure (which won’t be available until mid February) to be above that January 2018 peak.

To make a comparison of this Winter with previous Winters (once the January and February data is in) we would need to take into account the significant deaths caused by lockdowns. The huge increase in non-covid home deaths, indicates these lockdown deaths are already significant and not just long term affects.

So it is looking like what we are seeing in Wales is a bad but not untypical Winter respiratory season in terms of mortality impact, with lockdowns adding further to the death count. This is similar to England but note the following.

Because the data is age standardised (that is it adjusts for age and population structure) we can directly compare figures with England.  I’ll repost the England chart later.

First note in normal times, age standardised mortality is higher for Wales than England. But against this normal state, age standardised mortality around April 2020 was actually less in Wales than in England (1,651 in Wales vs 1,860 for England in April 2020 for example).

And visibly you can see that the Wales spike in and around April 2020 is less pronounced than the equivalent England spike in April.

That is the likely reason that the Winter spike in mortality Wales looks to be greater than the Winter spike in England. Wales was less hit around April 2020 and so has higher mortality in the Winter as we settle into the endemic state.

381797 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #443 of 2018 🔗

The England chart for comparison

381814 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #444 of 2018 🔗

Hang in a minute, FreeCumbria, I could have sworn the rapists dad locked down with a “17 day circuit breaker” in October. Well that made a difference anyway…

381842 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 4, #445 of 2018 🔗

Here in Northern Ireland my area went into a 2 week circuit breaker on Oct 3rd. We’ve just had it extended till March 5th.

381856 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #446 of 2018 🔗

Do you know if there is any Northern Ireland age standardised mortality monthly data available, would be interesting to do a compare with that?

381799 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 12, #447 of 2018 🔗

I’ve just read the story regarding the elderly person suffering from neglect and it is a very similar story to that of my relative although the ending wasn’t recovery, the person sadly died and Covid was the cause of death. The person didn’t die of covid, it was neglect by the care home and the hospital.

381832 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lydia, 8, #448 of 2018 🔗

Callous neglect in hospitals is far from new. Years ago, I had a friend who went into hospital with advanced Parkinson’s. She couldn’t feed herself, or drink. Meals were dumped on her bedside table, and subsequently taken away uneaten. No investigation, no sympathy, no remedial action.
When her husband discovered what was going on, he started going into the hospital (ten miles away, with impossible parking) twice a day to feed his wife.
He was a mild, gentle man who did not shout to the heavens or tear the ward fittings down.Nor did other victims. And still it goes on, but nowadays with complete impunity.

381808 danny, replying to danny, 8, #449 of 2018 🔗

Some days I just lose the will to argue the facts. To call us Covid deniers and equate us by association with holocaust denial is the cherry on the cake. When we give facts and statistics, they respond with essentially the notion that Covid must be bad because they “believe” it to be so.
Doesn’t that sound rather familiar. Give a Holocaust denier the facts, the proof, and they invariably respond by telling you that they just don’t accept those facts, and that they “believe” it to be a fiction. It is the very same cult of belief over evidence and refusal to face reality.

381827 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to danny, 1, #450 of 2018 🔗

Holocaust deniers are liars whose aim is to rehabilitate the Third Reich: they claim the Holocaust never happened but privately they yearn to repeat it.

381871 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to GCarty80, 1, #451 of 2018 🔗

True. And perhaps therein is another comparison with lockdown enthusiasts. They pay lip service to the uncomfortable notion that “some” might be suffering little, but ultimately find lockdowns quite wonderful. They can signal those virtues of caring for grandma, without ever having to see her in person again.

382365 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to danny, 1, #452 of 2018 🔗

Sceptics might retaliate with something like “Truth denier”, “Lockdown Loony”, “Granny Jailer”.

381809 Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 15, #453 of 2018 🔗

Portugal has blocked private schools from offering remote learning for at least a fortnight amid fears that more privileged children will gain an unfair advantage over their poorer counterparts after the closure of state schools.

Lunacy.

381817 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 9, #454 of 2018 🔗

A race to the bottom.

381835 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #455 of 2018 🔗

Yes – I stayed in Portugal a few years ago and, on discussing service levels (rather poor!) with hotel staff, it was their view that there was no need to improve since other hotels were at least as bad!

381823 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 5, #456 of 2018 🔗

I think thats what they call ‘equality of outcome’!

381825 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 5, #457 of 2018 🔗

This is dragging everyone and everything down to the LCD – Lowest Common Denominator.

Shameful.

381826 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 8, #458 of 2018 🔗

Schools are becoming peak covid insanity. That video atl today of the Chicago teachers interpretive dance is unbelievable.

As a parent I can’t take much more of it. And I would class myself as a good, considered parent. I know many are not, they are very neglectful to put it mildly and, to be fair to them, have been thrown into the deep end without the skill to deal with it. It’s so worrying.

381829 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 7, #459 of 2018 🔗

Providing adequate schooling for all children would seem to be the most sensible option. But what do I know, I’m not an “expert”.

381830 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 7, #460 of 2018 🔗

It’s essentially the same argument they use for lockdown rather than focussed protection. They don’t want just part of the community to suffer therefore everyone must suffer.

381831 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 1, #461 of 2018 🔗

I can see Williamson doing something very similar.

381853 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 1, #462 of 2018 🔗

Private schools around here are going ahead with GSCE exams as planned.

381911 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to muzzle, #463 of 2018 🔗

Yes – because they teach iGCSEs. Schools doing Pre-U instead of A-levels will likewise have public exams.

381909 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 4, #464 of 2018 🔗

Similar was happening in Wales during the first lockdown. Schools were prevented from actually teaching the children of key-workers (in favour of supervision only) in case it gave them an unfair advantage over those stuck at home.

382230 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), #465 of 2018 🔗

A socialist desire to make everyone the same – at a lower level.

381824 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #466 of 2018 🔗

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/antalet-testade-for-covid-19/tidigare-data/

The above data from the Swedish Public Health Authorities gives you the exact figures each week for PCR pos cases and serological results from Sweden each week. Dr Rushworth table published on immunity C-19 Sweden is based upon this.

And with a cursory glance (it is only available per week) seems to be correct.(Need to answer quickly to stop misinformation spreading see below)

The reason for this posting is that Yeadon, who posted it, was attacked by a Prof in Astronomy Michael Merrifield

Quoting his tweet

“And here’s some real data from Sweden with an actual attributed source
https://covid19dataportal.se/data_types/health_data/serology-statistics/
rather than a random unattributed plot from a random blogger. Turns out there is no evidence that Sweden is approaching herd immunity, and you are spreading nonsense. Again.”

The interesting thing is that the link he has above is not to Swedish Public Health Authorities. It is a research lab doing different testing where they have plotted current test done and results. This is not random testing in the population but blood samples recorded(many for test of autoantibodies) etc. There is no indication of random testing, where,whom etc. It is just a research lab publishing data on Sars-Cov2 antibody level sent in.

This just shows how vicious the tone is in attacking anybody discussing herd immunity. But I think it is important to have reliable links and Rushworth should have linked better his table and what it was based on .

381828 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 3, #467 of 2018 🔗

Thank you Swedenborg, I have added that link to my link to the Rushworth article. Extremely helpful.

382635 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, 1, #468 of 2018 🔗

I have done serolgy for Stockholm Week 3 Jan 44%. We also know that some persons with antibodies from April has disappeared but they have immunity still after natural infection so this figure above must be under estimation of herdimmunity level in Stockholm. Then we have the innate immunity which is impossible to measure.Vaccination is just trying a shortcut to herdimmunity and having peopole stating that vaccination immunity is worth more that natural immunity is ridiculous.

381879 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 3, #469 of 2018 🔗

Turns out there is no evidence that Sweden is approaching herd immunity

This statement in itself is factually wrong. Every infected person who develops immunity will contribute towards herd immunity. So unless he is claiming that nobody is getting infected then of course Sweden is approaching herd immunity as are most other countries. NZ is one place that we could actually say is not approaching herd immunity any time soon.

381833 Viv, replying to Viv, 2, #470 of 2018 🔗

Things are going to get worse – ehre’s a report from HSJ about one hospital trust saying they soon won’t be able to separate covid +ve from covid -ve patients. Oh dear …

https://tinyurl.com/y5jr77r8

381846 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Viv, 9, #471 of 2018 🔗

Thats because it’s endemic. They either close the hospital to non covid people ( assuming only covid deaths matter) or triage the covid ones.
Obesity seems to be emerging as a factor, which means whole cardiovascular wards will be affected.
Of course they could change the sensitivity of the PCR test to screen out minor infection as they did in India, but that would be too sensible. And where would the budget for next year’s staff awaydays come from if they don’t exploit the scary fairy?

381904 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to thinkaboutit, 6, #472 of 2018 🔗

Obesity is always a factor in people who seem to be too young to fit the profile otherwise. I’m so tired of seeing sensationalist headlines of supposed young, fit and healthy people with no (previously diagnosed) underlying health conditions dying and then they have a photo of someone who is clearly obese.
I recall another one in particular of a guy who’d obviously done so many anabolic steroids that he must’ve been a serious contender for heart problems.

382531 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #473 of 2018 🔗

From the Daily Mirror.

 Couple on Covid ward get married moments before groom is placed in coma in ICU


A couple who caught coronavirus and were rushed to hospital in the same ambulance tied the knot in intensive care just moments before the groom was put in a coma.

NHS nurse Elizabeth Kerr, 31, and ambulance worker Simon O’Brien, 36, became so ill that staff at Milton Keynes University Hospital scrambled to organise a wedding before it was too late.

383137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to FenTyger, 1, #474 of 2018 🔗

I swear Jesus is weeping with laughter. He can’t bear to intervene and has ordered popcorn.

We’re not fucked, we’re history.

381889 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Viv, 5, #475 of 2018 🔗

Hopefully this’ll mean that they’ll have to follow the recent advice from the WHO (and one would hope their training too) and go back to treating people based on their symptoms rather than the arbitrary result of a PCR test.

Can you imagine if they did a PCR test for like 1000 different viruses to everyone who appeared at hospital (or everyone weekly at home/school) – we’d all be asymptomatically sick all the time and they’d need an isolation hospital for everyone.

381834 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #476 of 2018 🔗

What are the odds that when this shit show is over, that figure will be disputed and adjusted leaving a much lower figure than it was thought of?

And we trashed our society, economy, people’s well being and children’s future for people already nearing the end of their lives or had serious underlying illnesses??

A few people need to pay for all this. Weasel words will not be enough.

The demonstrations in the Netherlands, Denmark and Spain are a sign that people have had enough.

Johnson’s crocodile tears won’t be enough to hold simmering discontent at bay. Things will get uglier as more and more people take matters into their own hands.

381840 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #477 of 2018 🔗

Or maybe the quiet revolution that is already happening, people just getting on with their lives, we just need the business people to be braver now.

381925 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 4, #478 of 2018 🔗

Agree. The question now is who will have the balls to defy the government.

381836 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #479 of 2018 🔗

Just want everybody to remember this : 2 weeks to flatten the curve!! Just keep that in mind and then you will realize how COMPLETLEY we have been fucked over by our so called Government. Every time one of my Branch Covidian friends challenges me I just say this to them and repeat it in nauseum. Argument is won, nothing left to say.

381868 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #480 of 2018 🔗

Has the sombrero been squashed yet?

381876 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #481 of 2018 🔗

I remember it as 3 weeks, but you are completely spot on.

381954 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #482 of 2018 🔗

When the madness is over, it will be next to impossible to find anyone who will admit to having been a supporter of lockdowns, social distancing, face masks, etc.

381837 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #483 of 2018 🔗

Just checked the definition of fascism:-

A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Yep. Think that covers it.

381843 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Achilles, 1, #484 of 2018 🔗

Exactly which nation or race is our political class exalting above the individual?

The idea that they’re any kind of nationalist is absurd.

381850 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Ossettian, 2, #485 of 2018 🔗

The Scots!

381930 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ossettian, 3, #486 of 2018 🔗

They have become the corporatist state

381937 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ossettian, 2, #487 of 2018 🔗

Yes, the nationalist part doesn’t fit

Globalist fascism

381971 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #488 of 2018 🔗

Globalist fascism
Which is as accurately named as “communism” as “fascism”. Neither is strictly correct, but both are broadly appropriate, depending on your choices of definitions.

381994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 3, #489 of 2018 🔗

‘Totalitarianism’ covers the lot. If you’re determined to force people to swallow arsenic, the colour of the adulterant that comes with it doesn’t matter.
As it happens, Dungford the Destroyer of Wales is a Stalinist, not a Fascist, but the effect at the receiving end is exactly the same.

382006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, #490 of 2018 🔗

Yes. I prefer totalitarianism as the descriptor because fascism and communism usually have ulterior political motives.

382337 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, #491 of 2018 🔗

Globalist corporate totalitarianism.

381947 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, 1, #492 of 2018 🔗

Fascism involves the integration of state and corporate interests.

382234 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, #493 of 2018 🔗

Wikipedia changed the definition of fascism, I am sure it used to say that its when a state hands over the functions of the state to corporations. Nothing more nothing less. The new definition is a woke memory hole version, a re-writing of history.

Anyway, it’s not Fascism, it’s Global Communitarianism.
Stay safe, respect others, be kind.
In your community

381838 DanClarke, 6, #494 of 2018 🔗

Announcing the 100,000 appears to be the message, along with the drama. The message to keep up the rhetoric for the vaccine. Pharma must be the 4th industrial revolution where they will all make their money.

381844 Annie, replying to Annie, 16, #495 of 2018 🔗

One thing about the increasingly venomous attacks on anybody speaking up against the government li(n)e: if, as the polls, Twittersewer, Faceache etc. all purport to be telling us, 99.9999999% of the population are brain-dead zombies who believe every particle of the bullshit, why are sceptics so dangerous?

381851 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Annie, 8, #496 of 2018 🔗

I dont know the numbers of social media, but the msm comments all seem sceptic to me, apart from when they get their paid bots on which are easy to spot.

381854 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Annie, 12, #497 of 2018 🔗

As someone who grew up in a dictatorship this unfortunately is very familiar to me. Any heresy must be stamped on lest the house of cards falls

381899 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #498 of 2018 🔗

If that is the case, these renewed attacks on sceptics must be due to scepticism being seen as a greater threat now. Perhaps we are near the end of this nonsense – the wonky house of cards is about to topple?

381884 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Annie, 9, #499 of 2018 🔗

“why are sceptics so dangerous?”

People need enemies to help them create a stable view of the world, to make them feel safe, to appeal to their desire for simplistic models to explain a complex world. This also assists the state, in galvanising the populace and increasing their citizens’ receptivity to state propaganda. The finger pointers are weak minded, ignorant, and scared, and the state (and press) are protective of their ability to manipulate them.

“Nothing unites a nation quite like having a common enemy.” – Georg Simmel

381934 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 4, #500 of 2018 🔗

Coming from a culture that is authoritarian and values conformity, you’re spot on. Where I come from, anything that deviates from the norm is not to be encouraged and stamped out.

382188 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 1, #501 of 2018 🔗

SS (77th Brigade) pressing buttons?

381845 fosterc, replying to fosterc, 22, #502 of 2018 🔗

In a few years when the numbers are finally in time we’ll discover that the passage of this pathogen was controlled by

  • Climate/geography
  • Health and age profile of the population.
  • Innate immunity

and all the efforts of governments to control what is a natural process was just hubris and arrogance.

We are not Gods, just an ape that got lucky.

381890 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to fosterc, 5, #503 of 2018 🔗

Without a doubt. I do (as do many others) think that the government know this, but much of what has been going on has been trying to convince the nation that the destruction of our economy has not been in vain.

381973 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to fosterc, 1, #504 of 2018 🔗

In a few years we won’t care.

381849 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 17, #505 of 2018 🔗

Surely a sound and respected business opposition front might help. Tim Martin/Richard Tice/Simon Dolan for example would have enough clout to start the ball rolling.

If Wetherspoons opened on the 30th that would be a coup against the fascist technocracy that is destroying our nation.

Many are also trying to undermine the Dutch riots by mentioning “migrant gangs” etc, i really don`t care. Any enemy of my enemy is my friend.

381900 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to nickbowes, 4, #506 of 2018 🔗

If Hugh Osmond and Luke Johnson joined forces again, it would a solid scientific base (both did the undergraduate part of the medical degree at Oxford), to align with Tim Martin’s legal background, and engage Sir Rocco Forte to do the high-level establishment work (he is well-connected to the very top). There needs to be a much more vocal and organised pushback from the leisure and hospitality industry before it is completely wiped out.

381929 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #507 of 2018 🔗

They need to get a business opposition together and soon, or there will be nowt left – i guess even that Ryanair boss would buy into it, possibly

Walk past any JDW right now and the windows have many posters with anti lockdown views.

381940 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #508 of 2018 🔗

It would be great if they have the balls to defy the government. The names you mentioned above are prominent sceptics and if they break ranks, the rest will follow.

I’m also hoping that someone in the museums sector would also join in and open on 30 January but am not holding my breath.

381859 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, 1, #509 of 2018 🔗

Bit confused by figures on today’s post. We have both:

“So let’s conveniently shelve the fact that official figures yesterday showed another 800,000 people out of work (2.6 million and climbing)”

and

“Unemployment in the three months to November hit 5%, meaning an estimated 1.7 million people are out of work, a 0.6% rise on the previous quarter.”

Which one is correct as the difference between 1.7 million and 2.6 is significant.

381903 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to robnicholson, 2, #510 of 2018 🔗

I just DO NOT believe the figures…NO WAY is the unemployment rate 5%!!!!

382325 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #511 of 2018 🔗

I didn’t believe the unemployment figures in the early 1980s, and I sure as hell don’t believe them now.

382590 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Luckyharry69, #512 of 2018 🔗

Out of interest, why don’t you believe them? Do you think that 5% is too low or too high? I must admit I have no idea how unemployment is measured?

381905 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to robnicholson, 2, #513 of 2018 🔗

5% Sept-November 2020 1.72m 0.6% rise on previous quarter

OBR says likely to rise to 2.6m mid 2021 7.7%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52660591

381861 Spikedee1, 17, #514 of 2018 🔗

For the second day in a row I skipped straight down to BTL and did not read anything up top. There is no analysis or opposing view expressed about the bullshit posted in the msm. So by posting it you are supporting it. I know what the fat pig dictator thinks, I know what sage think, I definitely don’t need to see it on a lockdown sceptics site.

381862 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 39, #515 of 2018 🔗

My main thought this week is that anyone still in favour of lockdown must’ve had a really miserable life beforehand for this to still be a comparable existence. Even if you work in the public sector and are financially comfortable (as we are)…don’t they miss having a life?!?! I miss:
Peace during daytime when child is at school.
Not feeling constantly guilty about letting said child watch YouTube because I’m too busy working to do teaching today.
Seeing other people’s faces and being able to understand them.
Not having to tell people I’m “exempt” to avoid being berated.
Being treated by the NHS for other conditions.
Going to the gym/choir/pub/restaurant/cinema/theatre/festivals/quiz/swimming/cycling club/museums.
Letting my hair down on the dance floor.
Daytrips/minibreaks.
Holidays!
Treating myself to a massage/manicure when I’m frazzled.
Seeing friends & family without it being limited and sanctioned.
Seeing their children grow up.
Talking to my colleagues face to face.
Being able to go to “non-essential” shops.
And I consider myself quite an introverted person with a small social circle! Of course I do my best to still lead a fulfilling life but it’s hardly the same. How on earth do people not miss these things?! I can only assume that they are hollow husks of people who lead utterly joyless lives. Or this whole mass-hysteria stay-at-home and let the Gov micro-manage your existence based on weird covid safety is tapping into some weird shared fantasy and people actually prefer this semi-existence?

381873 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #516 of 2018 🔗

Completely agree with your post and I do think there are many people that lead isolated and risk free lives. I just hope this doesn’t go on much longer. I need to get back in the swimming pool. It was doing me a lot of good.

381897 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to muzzle, 8, #517 of 2018 🔗

I was really fit in 2019…got back on the golf course and felt great.This bullshit has set me back years………

381928 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #518 of 2018 🔗

I’m just about hanging on to my fitness. I do triathlon type exercise. My running is still going well, my cycling is OK but I miss cycling to work. My swimming is in a bad way. I noticed when the pools reopened in summer that I had lost a massive amount of speed. Clawed some of it back over late summer and now it will be back to novice level again, not to mention that it’s really good for body tone and that I’m feeling a bit blobby without it.

381894 ▶▶ DThom, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #519 of 2018 🔗

As I said the other day. Let them all move to China where they will be ‘protected’.
Then we can all get on with our lives

381950 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #520 of 2018 🔗

Would I stay at home for a year, sacrifice my own health & wellbeing and pay £10k (half a trillion UK borrowing divided by 50m adult population) if it theoretically “saved” the life of a close friend or family member – yes probably. (I’d give them a kidney!) Would they want me to if they were already very ill/elderly – almost certainly not.
Would I do the above for a complete stranger?…no sorry probably not! Does it make me a bad person that I too place boundaries on my altruism?

381991 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #521 of 2018 🔗

No.

382283 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #522 of 2018 🔗

It makes you a normal human being.

381960 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 12, #523 of 2018 🔗

Agree. I’m introverted too and some people thought that I must be enjoying lockdown because I don’t get to see people. On the contrary, my mental health has taken a severe hammering especially as I live in a not so good neighbourhood and I miss the following:

meeting friends
trips with my husband
going to concerts, museums, exhibitions
eating out
going out for coffee
being able to browse in shops
holidays
getting a haircut and a massage
going to the British Library to do my research
etc, etc…..

Or this whole mass-hysteria stay-at-home and let the Gov micro-manage your existence based on weird covid safety is tapping into some weird shared fantasy and people actually prefer this semi-existence?

I suspect that many people see this lockdown as a chance to star in their own reality show and demonstrate how virtuous and caring they are. And because they’re currently getting all the applause and that warm glow of being praised as good, they’ve become like Norma Desmond – unwilling to let go and always getting ready for their close up.

382002 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #524 of 2018 🔗

In other words, you had a life.
Clearly, most people hadn’t – or if they had, it wasn’t worth lifting a finger for.

381870 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 14, #525 of 2018 🔗

Just crunched the latest ONS data for my City(UK) and the results are quite illuminating.

All deaths over 12 months
2017 = 2582
2018 = 2402
2019 = 2545
2020 = 2598

Well, there are only 53 more deaths in 2020 over the 12 months, nothing that justifies the hysteria, lunacy, madness that has engulfed our city. The figures are NOT out of kilter, in fact they improved over the comparison with previous years.

I am fully aware different parts of the country will have different figures, perhaps a simular analysis could be done.

The Government have completely failed with all their measures.

381888 ▶▶ Paul Weston, replying to cloud6, #526 of 2018 🔗

Interesting. Might I ask which city?

381943 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Paul Weston, 3, #527 of 2018 🔗

Plymouth, a City of approximately 260,000 souls. Also interestingly the figures are in line with the Nfluensa Pandemic Contingency Plan of January 2006, I have a copy from Plymouth NHS Teaching Primary Care Trust.

381962 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to cloud6, 2, #528 of 2018 🔗

Yep, an absolute scam – utterly dishonest.

Are you in central Plymouth? I’m to the north, up in the semi-wilds. I said right at the start, the virus doesn’t like the sea air. It was in Torbay very early, but never took off.

I hope some local places are going to open on Saturday, as the TJN family will visit if we know they are.

381975 ▶▶▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to TJN, 2, #529 of 2018 🔗

In the eastern part of the City, love the sea air, vitamin D, all the open moor and want to make Cornwall an island LOL, LOL, LOL…..

382075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to cloud6, #530 of 2018 🔗

From the best I can tell covid’s been an absolute non-issue out here on the moor – although a very covid like bug did the rounds here Christmas-New Year 2019.

Locked down for nothing, even you believe lockdowns do anything anyway. Not that we’re exactly locked down out here, just that hardly anywhere’s open to go.

381908 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to cloud6, 2, #531 of 2018 🔗

Always worth checking local figures yourself.

In Cumbria there were 583 all cause deaths registered in December 2020. There were 586 all cause deaths registered in December 2019. So less in December 2020 than December 2019!

381919 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #532 of 2018 🔗

Where can I find these local figures please FreeCumbria?

381948 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 2, #533 of 2018 🔗

The monthly all cause death local figures are in this publication

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/deathsregisteredmonthlyinenglandandwalesprovisionaldecember2020

And you can get local weekly figures all cause and covid+ (by week of occurrence and week of registration) from the ‘Death registrations and occurrences by local authority and health board’ spreadsheet found at

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/deathsregisteredinenglandandwalesprovisionalweekending15january2020

And the government dashboard has some local covid+ death figures if you select your local authority.

381955 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Freecumbria, #534 of 2018 🔗

December 2020 wasn’t particularly bad. We need to wait for January’s figures to see what the effect from the ‘winter wave’.

381968 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 3, #535 of 2018 🔗

Just wait two weeks.

Can’t count how many times I’ve heard this.

382089 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, #536 of 2018 🔗

At the moment we can only compare December with December in the knowledge that peak death month is usually January (sometimes February) even in a normal respiratory season.

But importantly we also need to subtract the deaths caused by lockdown from January and February figures before making any comparison of the winter seasonal mortality increase.

Roughly 1,000+ a week more people are dying at home than would normally die at home, and only just over 100 of these are ‘covid’ labelled deaths. Some of those might have died in hospital instead. But large numbers of avoidable stroke, heart attack and increasingly cancer deaths are amongst those.

But whether this is a bad or really bad, but definitely not extraordinary, winter respiratory season, we still need to bear in mind lockdowns don’t prevent covid deaths, but do definitely cause indirect deaths.

Why we’ve struggled to cope with hospital numbers that are comparable with previous recent winters overall, and have less available beds, despite having all the summer months to prepare, is for the NHS planners to answer.

381877 Paul Weston, replying to Paul Weston, 25, #537 of 2018 🔗

Reading the transcripts (here and elsewhere) detailing the utterances of our presumably highly intelligent scientists, one is struck by their semi-literacy, lack of brevity and thoroughly unscientific disjointed thinking. They all, ALL, come across as witless teenagers, like, you know, unable to string a coherent sentence together and totally inacapable of speaking about a subject in a calm,lucid, educated, logical and reasoned manner.

Is it really possible that there is no Great Reset, no Green New World Order and that instead we are suffering the inevitable result of a subverted educational system that is capable only of producing Epsilon Semi-Morons?

381918 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Paul Weston, #538 of 2018 🔗

Out of interest, are you “the” Paul Weston, the guy who does those excellent videos ?

381931 ▶▶▶ Paul Weston, replying to nickbowes, 3, #539 of 2018 🔗

I plead guilty….. and I should make many more than I do. Laziness is not good….

381938 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Paul Weston, 2, #540 of 2018 🔗

Paul, your videos are incredible.

Long may you continue – but please put them on bitchute too.

381981 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nickbowes, 1, #541 of 2018 🔗

He makes frequent pertinent postings on The Conservative Woman site as well!
(Rcvd. the sum of fifty guineas for stating the above.)

381926 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul Weston, 15, #542 of 2018 🔗

This misuse of language is something that has struck me too. One example, to illustrate: immediately prior to the parliamentary vote on lockdown version two, Patrick Valance, the government’s most senior scientific advisor, told the nation, “The modelling, that’s the data we’re looking at.” Unlike you, the inference I draw is that the misuse of language is deliberate. In terms of the example: there is no way that Valance cannot know that computer model outcomes are not data; there is no way that he cannot know that data are facts, things that have happened; and there is no way he cannot know that the outcomes of computer models are simply the mathematically inevitable results of the assumptions. Valance has to know this; a first year undergraduate in any scientific subject would know it. So, I infer he misused the language deliberately in order to influence the vote in parliament and the wider public; that he was misusing the language as a part of a propaganda campaign.

381933 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #543 of 2018 🔗

Yes, it is dishonesty driven by vanity, cowardice, ambition rather than stupidity

I think the same goes for the cabinet, though they are probably stupider than SAGE

382112 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #544 of 2018 🔗

The use of the word ‘recovered’ to describe those who in most cases have never been ill, but merely at one point produced a positive PCR, but now no longer do so, is also a particularly egregious example.

382015 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Paul Weston, 5, #545 of 2018 🔗

There definitely seems to be an aura of trust me I’m a scientist going around but it’s not scientists that we should trust it’s the scientific method (it’s the best we’ve got) and scientists will often stray from it, pervert it and obfuscate it. The one that sticks in my mind is the chart Whitty showed of “cases” rising in Autumn that omitted data during the April peak. Showing that peak would have put the Autumn rise in context and thus undermine the message of “be concerned”. Whitty deliberately omitted the first peak. That’s not scientific that’s political.

Now you might say Whitty was doing it for good because he didn’t want people to become complacent and risk lives (if he believes that) but that is the same as defence lawyers omitting evidence useful for the prosecution or the police planting evidence because they “know” the person is guilty and are worried about them getting away with it. Neither practice is ethical. In fact I would say most of Whitty’s and Vallance’s statements have been scientifically unethical.

382989 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Achilles, #546 of 2018 🔗

There is nothing unethical about defence lawyers not volunteering evidence that would be useful to the prosecution. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution.

381886 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #547 of 2018 🔗

So we had 100000 Covid deaths, what did the other 500000 die of as its normal for approximately 1% of the population to die each year.

381978 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #548 of 2018 🔗

My maths may be out (I’m a graduate of Imperial college so that’s a given) but on an IFR of 0.3%, isn’t 100,000 deaths an indication that about half the population of the UK has been infected? I make it 33.33 million.

382103 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to WasSteph, #549 of 2018 🔗

John Ioannidis latest assessment of IFR is 0.14 to 0.2 %

THat correspondingly increases the number of those we can assume to have had contact with a virus.

381892 Caramel, 3, #550 of 2018 🔗

Latest Simon Jenkins article. Recommend his articles, he was an early sceptic and keeps it real.

Covid has made inequality even worse. The only answer: squeeze the super-rich | The super-rich | The Guardian

381893 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #551 of 2018 🔗

The photo at the top of the page? Was it taken yesterday? If so, he’s not looking so good is he? – even considering his need to look grave if it was taken yesterday.

381906 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #552 of 2018 🔗

Poor Kim Jong Johnson.

382164 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ned of the Hills, #553 of 2018 🔗

A liver as fatty as a slice of blue whale blubba is my betting.

381901 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #554 of 2018 🔗

The understatement of the day in the last tweet.BJ mourns 100 000 deaths in headline.But seems to have saved so many cancer,dementia and other deaths. This is a serious mismatch.
Jason Oakes(Oxford group) has even more shocking result from Scotland
“National records data from Scotland for week 2. 327 Covid deaths but 338 fewer deaths from other major causes (resp, circulatory, cancer and dementia). Scotland has negative excess this week.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/oke_jason/status/1354082601506648065

ONS week 02 2021. In first wave peak, excess deaths were from Covid and non Covid causes. Second wave, a very different story, Covid deaths at 7k but non Covid excess at negative 3k. Misattribution?

381957 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 4, #555 of 2018 🔗

Misattribution, misattribution, misattribution, misattribution.

Staring them in the face. Enquiry. Audit. Now.

382023 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #556 of 2018 🔗

Good to see something from Jason Oke again, swedenborg.

I’m not too keen on the usage of ‘excess deaths’ rather than absolute. But let that pass.

THat bar chart emphasises how incredibly screwed is this whole attribution business – and actually has been from the start. Remember John Lee’s first Spectator article?

Look at the April wave as well – the sudden proportionate shift to attribution to Covid.

I was taught to simply look at data before any other analysis – a stricture that many pretend ‘scientists’ seem to have forgotten. That is where graphical description is so useful. Looking at this data raises a massive stench of stinking fish.

381913 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #557 of 2018 🔗

Moderna’s and Pfizer’s vaccines share the same problem: They’re unsafe for people with allergies
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-26-moderna-pfizer-vaccines-unsafe-allergic-reaction.html

381927 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Victoria, 4, #558 of 2018 🔗

How about auto immune conditions?

381969 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #559 of 2018 🔗

Mrs M’s autoimmunity specialist nurse has advised her that her autoimmune condition is not in itself a contra-indication to having the “vaccine”, but that its efficacy might be reduced. Obviously each individual must seek similar appropriate advice.

382000 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #560 of 2018 🔗

Mrs M’s autoimmunity specialist nurse has advised her that her autoimmune condition is not in itself a contra-indication to having the “vaccine””

Thanks for this

I wonder on what basis the nurse can say this?

Were there people with known autoimmune disorders included in the trials?

Was data ever published regarding this?

Has any data been gathered since regarding reactions to the vaccine from people with autoimmune disorders?

Speaking as a person with a history of autoimmune disorder, currently not on medication and in long term remission, I would be very reluctant to take an experimental gene therapy that pokes around with the functioning of the immune system

382317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, #561 of 2018 🔗

My thoughts exactly- I wonder precisely the same. However, Mrs. M has drunk of the Kool-Aid good and proper, and there would simply be no point whatsoever in my raising with her the entirely appropriate and sensible issues you’ve raised here.

382722 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Julian, #562 of 2018 🔗

The nurse can say this because all the specialist professional medical bodies have their own specific guidance on vaccinations, so their medics and nurses can give consistent advice – have a look at http://www.rheumatology.org.uk for example.

382335 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #563 of 2018 🔗

How on earth did you get an auto-immunity specialist nurse?? I’ve never heard of such a nurse. Mrs. F could do with one of those because she’s been on steriods for six years due to giant cell arterits and she hasn’t even been given a blood test since the end of 2019. The last advice from the GP was to carry on self medicating according to how she feels. Not feeling good at all recently so tried asking again but apparently the NHS is very busy and patients are not allowed anywhere near the staff.

382455 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve F, 1, #564 of 2018 🔗

Well, that’s what Mrs. M has got- she is under the long-term care of an NHS Consultant Rheumatologist (a very good chap indeed) and because of this has email and mobile ‘phone access to his specialist nurse. Is Mrs. F’s care solely under the aegis of her GP? You have my sympathy- and complete understanding, coming from my 40 years of having to try to deal politely and diplomatically with a group of people who are often as ignorant as they’re arrogant- if that’s the case.
Both Mrs. M and I have been unbelievably fortunate in the quality and uninterrupted nature of the care of our long-term conditions by the NHS. This doesn’t mean that I’m anything but totally immune to the repulsive propaganda surrounding the organisation, though.

382604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #565 of 2018 🔗

Thanks for your sympathetic response, Dermot.
Initially, Mrs. F was solely under the “care” of our GP until, after much effort, we eventually succeeded in being granted a referral to a rheumatologist. The consultant was horrified that no referral had been made sooner (ie within two weeks of diagnosis not two and a half years later) and that the GP had attempted to get Mr’s F’s Prednisolone dose down far too quickly with a consequential “car crash,” which led to another, more enthusiastic, GP referring her to a specialist. Things were fine for a while with regular tests, a bone density scan and a return to something like a normal active life but then Mrs. F just sort of got forgotten about and was left to self medicate. Then Covidmania arrived and the surgery drawbridge went up. Now Mrs. F is having further problems which need professional investigation and it is proving very hard to get it.
Mrs. M is indeed fortunate to be so well looked after and I only wish Mrs. F could receive similar quality care.

382792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve F, #566 of 2018 🔗

So do I, Steve. I regret to say that what you tell me about your GP comes as no surprise to me, even in respect of his/her total lack of appreciation of the nature and the potency of steroids.
If you think I can be of any help at all, via you and this site, to Mrs. F, please leave a message. I know a lot of stuff.

382124 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 1, #567 of 2018 🔗
381914 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #568 of 2018 🔗

Interesting. Peter Hitchens has been noticing that he has been losing followers on Twitter over the last week or so.

I just looked up a couple of people that I’ve been following and found that I was no longer following them. I didn’t unfollow them and I see no reason for them removing me.

Seems Peter’s suspicions may well be correct.

382091 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #569 of 2018 🔗

Hitchens remarked that the number of his ‘followers’ rises during the day but falls at night.

382096 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #570 of 2018 🔗

Quit Twatter I say!

383516 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to norwegian, #571 of 2018 🔗

Organize a rolling boycott. All hours of the day and night.

381915 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #572 of 2018 🔗

Nomad,

I hope you are not going. Nevertheless, I would like to get in contact with you. I have a particular reason. I am going to try to leave a message on the forums. (Not done it before, so may take me a while.

I think we have to cut the site some slack, because they have to be careful not to get taken down.

381984 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #573 of 2018 🔗

I have left a message at the Forums, under meeting fellow sceptics.

381916 epythymy, replying to epythymy, 15, #574 of 2018 🔗

I find this article very interesting

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine

33 deaths amongst 55000 people vaccinated in Norway. That’s 0.06% of people vaccinated having died. But apparently it’s ok because most of them are over 75 and most of them had underlying conditions. Meanwhile, most of the Covid deaths in the U.K. are over 80, mostly with underlying conditions. The chances of younger people dying of Covid is much less than 0.06%, yet we’re still locked up for our own “safety”, still being coercively vaccinated. How do they not see the double standards of this statement?! It’s bizarre. Apparently these deaths are also within a week. Perhaps we should count any death within 28 days of the vaccine as a vaccine induced death?

381958 ▶▶ leggy, replying to epythymy, 3, #575 of 2018 🔗

Yet, we’re led to believe that there has not been a single jab related death in the UK despite having delivered around 7 million of them?

382063 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to leggy, 3, #576 of 2018 🔗

And yet they are reporting care home deaths gave tripled, but nothing to see here.

382994 ▶▶▶ epythymy, replying to leggy, #577 of 2018 🔗

I work in the nhs – there have been deaths post jab in my experience. However, they have been recorded as whatever their underlying condition was. My husband has reported one of his patients for this. Not heard anything back.

381999 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to epythymy, 2, #578 of 2018 🔗

“33 deaths amongst 55000 people vaccinated in Norway.”

Total deaths with Covbug = 550, the vaccine is putting up competition …

381920 Joseph, replying to Joseph, 18, #579 of 2018 🔗

“If you’re feeling kind of mental and you’d like to know why….
this is what happened:
People go insane when they know something is false but are forced to pretend that it’s true, or when they know something is true, and they are constantly told it is false…happening right now. It’s called gaslighting- – -on a grand scale.”
– Michael Lutin

381945 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Joseph, 10, #580 of 2018 🔗

The resultant cognitive dissonance causes quite a serious degree of psychological stress. The victim feels this stress accutely, but doesn’t understand the cause so is unable to address it. It is quite insidious, and the reason why narcissists are able to cause such damage to a person’s psyche for years before they realise what is happening (if ever).

381953 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Joseph, 7, #581 of 2018 🔗

It’s also closely related to the double bind theory of psychology

381923 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #582 of 2018 🔗

Article for woke gobbledegook

Cornell [University] offers ‘person of color’ exemption for flu vaccine requirement
https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=16344

381952 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Victoria, 2, #583 of 2018 🔗

I am identifying as Gunga Din if they come for me with a needle.

“ Now in Injia’s sunny clime,
Where I used to spend my time
A-servin’ of ’Er Majesty the Queen,
Of all them blackfaced crew
The finest man I knew
Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din”.

381982 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #584 of 2018 🔗

It was ‘Din, Din, Din,
You’re coloured, so we won’t put snake oil in!’

383477 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Annie, #585 of 2018 🔗

Sahib!

381932 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #586 of 2018 🔗

So let me get this straight. HCQ was not to be used, Ivermectin was not to be used, Vitamin D was quack science. Now the vaccines are in, and they’ll have no impact on deaths, we need to get on board with these treatments?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732

I hope people can see what it is going on here.

383527 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #587 of 2018 🔗

Greenstalk of S.A.G.E. is chair of Wellcome Trust. Ignored test results from Ivermectin. Tony Gosling just said on Tuesday’s Richie Allen show that he wrote to this man in November.These people are evil.

381944 RickH, replying to RickH, 23, #588 of 2018 🔗

I am gob-smacked at today’s thoughtless headline. Without qualification or quotation marks, we have ;

UK Hits 100,000 Covid Deaths
WTF????

We know :

  • That this is derived from the 28-day PCR+ nonsense
  • That this is not from proper diagnosis
  • That the Swedish research from yesterday suggests that sole causation is less than 20% of quoted numbers

I thought we had enough inaccurate information in the MSM.

CONCEDE THE LANGUAGE AND YOU CONCEDE THE ARGUMENT

381951 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to RickH, 1, #589 of 2018 🔗

I thought it was actually around 6/7% have died DIRECTLY from Covid?……

381983 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #590 of 2018 🔗

There’s no absolute way of knowing – the numbers are so f.ed. I was treading a cautious line.

As to the headline – the issue that kicked me off this morning – today’s edition just gets worse in not challenging the basics of the numbers, which is an absolutely key dimension for a proper sceptic – i.e. the basic question of proportionality and scale.

Essentially, this is lending support to the zealot narrative. The majority of the text serves the same narrative function as ‘What the Papers Say’ with a bit of moaning around the edge.

383522 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Luckyharry69, #591 of 2018 🔗

In Quebec it is claimed that 8,000 plus have died so far. The population is 8,000,000. Do the math. At the moment we are under a 8 P.M. to 5 A.M. curfew that is due to continue another two weeks.

382012 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 4, #592 of 2018 🔗

I agree unreservedly.

Not even quotation marks.

They just lap it up.

“Government claims 100,000 covid deaths”

could be the headline.

382086 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, 2, #593 of 2018 🔗

You have nailed it there Rick its all in the language and the assumptions.

381946 leggy, replying to leggy, #594 of 2018 🔗

Here’s an hour of common sense science and logic from Claire Craig that was published on Dan Astin-Gregory’s Pandemic Podcast yesterday.

https://youtu.be/5H5bAmwWJ5E

A welcome distraction from the above the line content dramas here!

381996 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to leggy, 1, #595 of 2018 🔗

any idea when this podcast was made, they keep talking as if its well before Christmas, doesn’t alter the excellent material, but would be nice to know if I’m watching a repeat

382429 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Major Panic, #596 of 2018 🔗

Sorry, not sure, can only assume that it’s fairly recent.

381956 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #597 of 2018 🔗

If you love Bill Gates, this probably isn’t for you:

https://twitter.com/SecondOnlyRyMac/status/1354033137270059010

She wasn’t ready for this and this was awesome

381967 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #598 of 2018 🔗

I’m amazed he was allowed to finish and they didn’t lose the line!

381961 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 1, #599 of 2018 🔗

Euromomo shows increased mortality in England as of late, what’s causing it

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

382157 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to norwegian, #600 of 2018 🔗

It’s related to borders. Look at Scotland, Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Basically you need to mark an imaginary line in the sand and excess deaths go away. The Republic have done such a good job that excess deaths are so far below the norm its an unprecedented event. Maybe all the flu moved to England in 2020?

The Republic of Ireland and England’s covid measures can be separated by a sheet of paper. So why the differences? Its so incredibly stark on Euromomo its nothing to do with compliance.

381963 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #601 of 2018 🔗

On average,since March 2020, 330 people each day, in the UK die with Covid-19 on the death certificate.
In that same period, how many have died from Covid-19?

382081 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to PatrickF, 1, #602 of 2018 🔗

No many I bet.

382153 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PatrickF, 1, #603 of 2018 🔗

From memory, hospital deaths for over 80s with comorbidities are 34000. Without comorb, about 1100. Couldn’t be those sneaky comorbies could it?

382183 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sam Vimes, #604 of 2018 🔗

Swedish stats show that only 17% of care home deaths were of people without obvious prior co-morbidities (ie they were ‘just’ old, but otherwise relatively healthy)

381965 Richard Blows, 1, #605 of 2018 🔗

Is the Virus now becoming out of control in China. If so I wouldn’t expect it to be widely reported in the media as they have largely bought into the narrative that China got its suppression strategy right. See the following: ‘Wartime Mode’: Inside China’s Current Virus Hotspots (theepochtimes.com)

381972 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #606 of 2018 🔗

I’m not even bothering looking at that pig dictator’s face.

382578 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #607 of 2018 🔗

I even find I have to shut my eyes during the UK Column theme tune as Johnson’s ugly face appears on it. I agree their ugly mugs should be banned from this site as should any reference to their first names.

383424 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Boris Bullshit, #608 of 2018 🔗

Cancel them. They deserve it.

381976 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 49, #609 of 2018 🔗

I sent this to Lockdown Sceptics last week for consideration, but I think they decided not to publish it. I haven’t been online recently due to feeling unwell, but having skimmed through recent columns this morning I haven’t seen my piece. Forgive its length. I’ve trimmed it somewhat, but it remains a relatively long post for a comment section. It’s been slightly edited, too:

It is both striking and fascinating to witness the collective deterioration of lockdown enthusiasts. The level of swivel-eyed panic and derangement is utterly palpable, and the situation simply demands a future in-depth analysis. Future generations will look back in astonishment and horror at the behaviour of the lockdown enthusiasts during ‘the Covid-19 period.’ I’m using ‘lockdown enthusiasts’ to refer to those of the more vocal and uncompromising variety among lockdown supporters, whether on comment boards, in media, in Government, etc.

Note the wild, unrestrained hysteria, the utterly irrational labelling of sceptics as, among other charming epithets, ‘deniers’ and ‘idiots’. Note the unthinking nature involved in these attacks. What are sceptics ‘denying’? I’ve seen only a relative handful of people who deny the existence of a virus, and I’ve been paying attention. Are the lockdown enthusiasts purposely taking the low-hanging fruit and lumping us all in together? Are they too dim to differentiate those questioning lockdown, face coverings, etc. on the basis of scientific and rational enquiry and argumentation from the tiny number of people who deny the existence of a virus altogether? Are they too emotionally wedded to the prevailing orthodoxy to give a damn about truth/accurately representing their opponents? Having been called a ‘Covid denier’ more times than I can remember, the possibilities are intriguing.

Let’s take a paradigm case that is fresh in the mind: the frantic attacks on Lord Sumption. He made a standard point concerning health economists’ weighing of the value of life using QALY (quality-adjusted life years). Until recently this would barely have raised an eyebrow, but, bizarrely, the great and the good immediately lost their minds. His argument has been grossly caricatured to the point of absurdity, there has been no effort to employ what philosophers call the principle of charity in interpreting his argument, and one is left asking, ‘Are they *this* stupid?’ Are they *wilfully* misrepresenting Sumption?’

This is typical of lockdown enthusiasts’ behaviour throughout. They were instantly scandalised, there was no effort to employ nuance of thought, and Lord Sumption, an eminently intelligent, rational and articulate man, was consigned to the margins of society along with the rest of the heretics. Perhaps if mingling were still permitted he’d be tied to a stake and burned alive in front of a cheering, baying mob.

So here we are. This is what constitutes ‘progressive’, enlightened society in 2021 (not forgetting 2020, of course. Big shout out to 2020 – you are gone but not forgotten). Is one an idiot for questioning the assumptions and narrative of lockdown enthusiasts rather than blindly going along with things without much, if any, thought or questioning? Is one a ‘denialist’ for employing rational thought and scepticism, both eminetly scientific principles, rather than arrogantly and dismissively refusing to engage in rational argumentation and treating science as if it were an area where disagreement cannot/must not take place?

It is crystal clear that the ‘idiocy’ and ‘denial’ comes from those too stupid and/or bone idle to engage in calm, rational discourse and who deny a principle tenet of scientific investigation, i.e. opennes to correction and the possibility of being wrong.

The lockdown enthusiasts are, quite clearly, projecting onto lockdown sceptics their own shortcomings.

381998 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #610 of 2018 🔗

The use of the words ‘denier’ and ‘denial’ telly you everything you need to know.

These are taken from the vocabulary of religious persecution.

381977 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 15, #611 of 2018 🔗

Interesting comment from the LA doctor above I thought. Tallies with what a lot of us suspect is at least partly responsible for the recent rise in total deaths.

“Most of the patients that we’re seeing now… the critical care that we’re doing is from patients who have been neglected all year, who haven’t seen their physicians, oncologist, they’re coming in to the emergency department because they can’t wait any more… cancer, they have kidney failure to the extreme, heart failure, to the extreme.”

381987 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Adamb, 5, #612 of 2018 🔗

Yes, and all that has to be done is to find a positive PCR, and just like that..

you have a ‘covid’ patient.

The failures of the system, in terms of missed nd delayed care, thus help to peretuate the statistical smoke and mirrors.

381986 JanMasarykMunich, 13, #613 of 2018 🔗

Have left a message for North Nomad in the Forums. Hope he is really not gone for ever.

381993 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 31, #614 of 2018 🔗

The Mirror is now running a campaign to provide homeschooling equipment to the most vulnerable children in the country, boasting that they have received a large donation from a teaching union. The Mail is running a similar PR campaign to provide children with laptops to facilitate home learning.

This is the same type of poisonous virtue-signalling that we saw with the school meals fiasco – these entitled commentators genuinely believe that so long as the peasants can be furnished with a few hot dinners, a battered Apple Mac and a few crayons, the destruction of their childrens’ education and mental health will be alleviated.

What if parents simply cannot find the time to do home schooling? What use are these resources to those children with abusive or uncaring parents? What can a 5 year old learn from being glued to a screen all day, unable to socialise with children their own age?

They have no idea of the terrible costs involved in depriving children of the social and emotional benefits of attending school, but will seize on the opportunity to morally profit from their misery – a misery many in the media are responsible for, since they were the most prominent cheerleaders of the evil teaching unions. The same teaching unions who are supposed to have the best interests of our children at heart, and yet they merrily facilitated the shutting out of millions of young people from the education system.

The whole thing reeks of ghoulish opportunism. Our children have been reduced to footballs to be kicked around and exploited for political gain. These campaigns are entirely condescending and completely miss the point – fight to get the kids back in school immediately, or don’t bother.

382009 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 19, #615 of 2018 🔗

Do these imbeciles not realise that this appeal for laptops is only a sticking plaster and only accelerating further any psychological damage that children will incur as a result of all this?

And yet again where are those child psychologists and educational experts who until early last year were constantly making noise about the bad effects of putting a kid in front of a screen for hours on end? Now? None, nada, zero, zilch! Bet some of them are even cheerleading for more lockdowns, social distancing and masks.

These people need to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves and be held to account for the damage being done to children.

382019 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Scotty87, 11, #616 of 2018 🔗

Great post !

Yes they are virtue signalling! They are wasting their time.

OPEN THE SCHOOLS

So true Bart

382154 ▶▶ mj, replying to Scotty87, 3, #617 of 2018 🔗

as i mentioned yesterday, my council sent an email out yesterday begging for second hand laptops to provide to kids who are not in school. Clearly everyone is at it

382242 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Scotty87, 4, #618 of 2018 🔗

I couldn’t agree more with this post. These kids don’t need laptops, they need school. Online learning is grim and I’d go so far as to say that there is no point. And that’s from a position of having 3 teenagers who are pupils at a school that is providing an excellent online alternative. The fact is that for most children, sitting in front of a screen for 6 hours a day trying to learn is demoralising. I’d rather the government just be honest and say that they aren’t going to bother providing education until this is all over rather than pretending that this education is acceptable.

383536 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to End of Tether, #619 of 2018 🔗

It’s not good for their eyesight either.

381995 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #620 of 2018 🔗

ex prosecutor Nazir Afzal instructed lawyers to see if there is evidence to prosecute BJ for misconduct in public office as Covid death toll passes 100,000

Johnson brought this on himself!!! They intentionally designed this ‘wide’ definition of a Covid death (at first it was if you tested positive for covid in 3 months before death and recently if you tested positive in 28 days before death) in an effort to ramp up hysteria and kept us lockdown.

So what will Johnson and his sidekicks do to get out off this one?

382005 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 4, #621 of 2018 🔗

There goes a brave man.

382014 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 8, #622 of 2018 🔗

Well done him. He did excellent work with bringing grooming gangs to justice so let’s see if he can do the same here.

382048 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #623 of 2018 🔗

I don’t think this is coming from a place of lockdown scepticism, though, but rather restrictions should have been sooner, harder etc.
From the DM: He wrote: ‘100,000 Covid dead and Boris Johnson has still not met with the family of any of bereaved, he hasn’t called for a day of remembrance or even a moment’s silence.’ Pretty sure he’s a zealot.

382051 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #624 of 2018 🔗

Oh dear……

382071 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #625 of 2018 🔗

Yes but it might be our current PM hoist by his own petard. He kept on telling us how dangerous it was and how many hundreds of thousands would sadlidie. So why didn’t he do more?
The BBC hates the Tories but have so far given him a free ride because they love authoritarianism and control and they also love shroud waving (good for clicks). It won’t take much for them to totally turn against him. It won’t be the sceptic stance we want to see at first.
I’m more hopeful than I was first thing!

382095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to WasSteph, 1, #626 of 2018 🔗

Glad you’re feeling hopeful! You may well be right. My concern that if the charge is that he should have done more, then the logical next step is to replace him with someone who would/will do more.

382130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, #627 of 2018 🔗

And such a win would shift the window of discussion straight into labour’s camp. The nonsense will only get more incredible.

382123 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #628 of 2018 🔗

Absolutely this. Unless the PCR is dragged into court as part of such a case you can expect the underlying assumptions upon which debate will be carried out to be extremely flawed. They can use PCR to show an earlier lockdown would have saved more lives, maybe a dash of ICL modelling to help

382301 ▶▶ John P, replying to Victoria, #629 of 2018 🔗

“at first it was if you tested positive for covid in 3 months before death”

Actually initially there was no time limit at all. Carl Heneghan spotted the problem and the government were forced to act.

381997 Bart Simpson, 9, #630 of 2018 🔗

More lunacy from the Democratic People’s Republic of Wales:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9SmZ94xL8

When this is over the police will face a massive backlash from the public and I’m sorry to say this but they will deserve everything they get.

382001 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #631 of 2018 🔗

NorthumbrianNomad
3 hours ago
I’ve been told that a post I tried to make earlier was not in the best taste, and so it can’t be published. So I’m out of here. Before the doors slam shut.

Well, that didn’t take long. It is a standard evolution of discussion forums, from free speech to controlled speech, invariably justified by “respectability” considerations. Usually “respectability” then becomes a means of excluding dissent.

I had hoped this site might be different, or at least last longer, because of Toby’s involvement and history, but this is a very ominous sign.

In my experience such developments are also often the result of the owners and admins either being “leaned on” or having their own “respectability” agenda.

In the long run, once this kind of thing is established, I know from experience that I will be censored and ultimately banned, so while I’ll continue to take advantage of the excellent info here, I now see the writing as being very much on the wall for my presence here.

I’m unusual in that I genuinely do want free discussion, whereas most people, including most who claim to believe in free speech and discussion, actually crave control and respectability, so I will always be moving on, I suppose.

382056 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mark, 10, #632 of 2018 🔗

If the reason for some censorship is because the site is being ‘leaned on’ and under threat of being closed down (if that is possible) then anyone leaving the comments section is a win for the those doing the leaning on.

Lockdown sceptics are under enormous pressure from many angles – so I think we need to keep calm and carry on and not get too pissed if those under the greatest pressure, with their heads well above the parapet, feel they need to do stuff that we, hiding in here, don’t like

382134 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 4, #633 of 2018 🔗

It’s their site. It’s our choice whether to use it.

My point is only that I know this approach destroys honest debate. It’s not if, the only issue is when. From past experience I know arguing for free speech is usually fruitless in these situations, because there are usually agendas at play that are not up front. I had hoped (and still hope) that this site might resist the push longer than most. But NN’s experience suggests there is an open “respectability” agenda in force, not just dealing with real spam as was claimed, so I think that hope was false.

I’m not leaving. I just know that it’s time to start looking for the next temporary haven for free discussion.

382169 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 3, #634 of 2018 🔗

True. Remember that you cannot now comment here without leaving log-in details including email – how can we be sure they will not come after us?

382177 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Mark, #635 of 2018 🔗

Would appreciate leads to any new haven.

382258 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to janejakobs, 2, #636 of 2018 🔗
382462 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to janejakobs, #637 of 2018 🔗

Likewise : -)

382257 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, #638 of 2018 🔗

.

382083 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 6, #639 of 2018 🔗

I agree it’s sad and worrying

As I said earlier I supect the thought process may be that our enemies will trawl this site above and below the line for any comments that they can use to trigger a reaction among their followers or the general public – and parallels with the Nazis are prime candidates for that

I think it’s a mistake to give in, even knowing that such posts may be used against us, but then I am not a professional journalist nor do I run a website nor am I a leading public lockdown sceptic

382143 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 3, #640 of 2018 🔗

I don’t know if it’s politically a mistake or not. If it were my site I’d stand on principle, but it’s not my site.

I do know it’s the route to sterility and being just another branch of the establishment. Invariably the response is that that’s the route to political influence. All I can say,is, good luck with that.

382114 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, 8, #641 of 2018 🔗

We are not in such a fortunate position that logically and rationally sound arguments for free speech would effectively counter the irrationality of the current cancel culture and those that want to blame us for all of the world’s ills.

The site owners must pick their battles carefully, given that this is such a valuable resource for so many commenters who would otherwise be going out of their minds without it. Perhaps it is worth bending in the wind a little then, rather than going down in a glorious last stand when the hosting company inevitably decides its reputation is more important than this website.

I would have hoped that NN would give the site owners the benefit of the doubt in this case, since the have generously given us this space and protection from trolls at no cost to ourselves, and are doing their best under difficult circumstances. I was very grateful for NN’s German court decision translation (as the site owners were), and other of his valuable contributions. Personally I feel he would be more effective staying here and continuing the fight rather than bailing out at the first sign of adversity.

382176 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #642 of 2018 🔗

Perhaps it is worth bending in the wind a little then, rather than going down in a glorious last stand when the hosting company inevitably decides its reputation is more important than this website .”

This is how almost every single forum or discussion site I have been a part of, or know of, ended up part of the establishment echo chamber – “bending a little”, so as “not to die on this hill”, to achieve “effectiveness”.

It’s kind of self-defeating. The fewer are prepared to take a stand, the easier it is to just exclude those who do.

Regardless, as I noted, it’s not my site. It’s their choice. But I understand and agree with NN’s position, even if I’m less dogmatic in my immediate response.

If the goal is questioning lockdown, and the argument is that excluding dissent and “disreputable” speech is more effective in achieving that goal, then that’s understandable. But it’s not the kind of constrained, threatened environment I want to discuss matters in, and it’s clearly not for NN either. Exclude the “edgy” and “disreputable” and all you do is move the boundary in and force others to watch their words lest they cross the newly tight boundary. It’s kind of a microcosm of the way our whole society goes.

382280 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, #643 of 2018 🔗

I have seen this too. I agree, it does always go this way. I have also seen the converse, a site which held on to its free speech at all costs, eventually to be infiltrated by cancelists who posted all sorts of horror and then complained very visibly about it everywhere they could. After it changed hosts several times, no one else could be found to host it and eventually the owner gave up.

The internet is not a democracy. It is not a human right. It is an interconnected web of privately owned hosts and data links. We can’t expect to just be able do whatever the hell we want, no matter how morally righteous our cause. It’s unrealistic. We are in enemy territory, and part of the constraint of being so is that circumstances will continue to play out that are beyond our control, whether we make a stand or not. It is indeed an artifact of our culture at large, as you say.

Practically, that means that, yes, the inevitability of creeping censorship will likely play out again and again. Does that mean that we should abandon the medium entirely? No. Despite the world not being ordered according to our wishes, we must deal with what is right in front of us, and if that means that we have to watch this happen time and time again, so be it. It should not stop us from discussing our principles and thoughts for as long as we possibly can before having to move elsewhere. Sites will die, but the conversations and ideas will not, and it is those that really count.

382296 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #644 of 2018 🔗

Not always.

Off Guardian does not censor it’s users.

382316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 1, #645 of 2018 🔗

Either Off Guardian has a uniquely enlightened group of self-censoring commenters, or it does use censorship. I’ve seen plenty of uncensored comments sections, it looks nothing like them.

382423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #646 of 2018 🔗

Sites will die, but the conversations and ideas will not, and it is those that really count.

In practice the result is a culture warped away from reality and mostly not even understanding how and where it has been so warped.

We’ve obviously both seen this play out from both sides. Being a medium to large discussion site owner or admin means fielding ever increasing complaints abut comments people don’t want other people to be able to make. Anywhere. Ever.

And of course, as you say, people infiltrate to post “offensive” stuff ostensibly from their enemies, in order to pile on the pressure for censorship (that imo is the source of a large part of the most stupidly offensive “racist” and “antisemitic” stuff you tend to see, for instance). They do that because it works. It works because nobody wants to take a stand on their own site.

If not now, when? If not here, where? If not the leader of the “Free Speech Union”,.who?

It will continue until the culture changes to favour tolerance. As always, the culture will not change until people take the necessary stands, and choose to condemn the people who complain rather than the people who make the comments.

382526 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, #647 of 2018 🔗

Good comment, thanks for replying, and we’re really aren’t in any sort of disagreement really.

It will continue until the culture changes to favour tolerance.”

Precisely. That is why I come down on the side carrying the conversation on in ever changing venues, being pragmatic about pressure to conform, because a cultural shift is required to change our circumstances, not one single valiant challenge, and the only way to do that is to keep the ideas alive and keep talking about them.

It’s a long game, with many battles, a set piece stand, though admirable in its demonstration of principles, is a pyhrric victory.

Besides, once your stand is over, will you be gone from the internet and conversation forever, or will you return to try again, as you have done here? So your strategy is not really any different anyway.

Further, we can join different battles on different fronts. Here we give a little for the sake of pragmatism, to continue the conversation with a focus on lockdowns. Elsewhere we may join forces with the EFF and play a big part in a privacy campaign, or throw our weight behind the FSU if Toby truly has the balls to see it through to the bitter end.

We don’t have to betray our principles, but we can leverage them wisely, giving ground here to bolster there, as any good strategist would.

“Be water my friend.”

382835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, #648 of 2018 🔗

“Being water” only works if there are firm limits somewhere to contain the water and allow it to flow back after retreating momentarily. Otherwise it’s a recipe for the kind of endless retreat we’ve seen in our politics in the US sphere , both for conservatism and for freedom of speech, for decades, now.

It’s just too easy to keep making excuses for not dying on this particular hill, just yet.

382151 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Mark, 1, #649 of 2018 🔗

On the nose. And so very disappointing to see this playing out *again*.

382197 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to janejakobs, #650 of 2018 🔗

Tbh, it’s been pretty clear they’ve been policing politically disreputable stuff from the start, because there’s been a remarkable lack of overt “racism” and “antisemitism” for a supposed free speech forum.

Like I said, it’s just a matter of when and how long, not if.

382655 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Mark, #651 of 2018 🔗

Do you have any theories as to what makes an optimal discussion forum? All hands off? The general assumption is that if left unmoderated, discussion boards evolve into memes and nonsense and just lots of lowest-common-denominator trash and spam. I wonder if there might be a recipe to creating a good community? This one seems just organically to have clicked. While I’m sure it helped that people felt free to speak their minds, I am not sure that this is why this community naturally worked.

382828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to janejakobs, 1, #652 of 2018 🔗

I find that difficult to answer, because I’m personally so unusual. By that I mean, people posting opinions I hate doesn’t cause me to feel uncomfortable and to experience an overwhelming urge to have them silenced or excluded.

The result is that I’m perfectly happy in a complete “free for all” site. It doesn’t bother me to have people saying outrageously racist, antisemitic, homophobic, islamist, Blairite, woke, hate-filled antiracist, etc things. My response is ignore or engage. “Punish them!” or “silence them!” simply is not in my personal default list of responses.

But most people hate such an environment. I mean, absolutely cannot cope with it.

So I struggle to know what an optimal discussion forum would be – mine would not be most people’s.

This one worked I think because it was small, initially low profile, and attracted mostly motivated people, some very highly educated, some not at all but very experienced or sensible, who were not necessarily experienced political debaters or obsessives, and it was moderated with a light touch.

382254 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #653 of 2018 🔗

I think it’s probably inevitable.

Off-Guardian strongly resists censorship and proudly boasts that it has never banned anyone. They have two moderators on their site who sometimes comment themselves.

I think they view their role as that of monitors. I’m not aware of their ever actually censoring a post.

382004 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 42, #654 of 2018 🔗

All this Fucking tripe about people being in favour of Lockdown, most if not all people I come across are sick to the back teeth of this shit show they can’t wait to get out and live life to the full..in fact most are living it the best they can saying fuck em shove the diktats up your back passage..

382162 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #655 of 2018 🔗

Doesn’t Van Tam own or have something to do with yougov, whose polls the government rely on?

382180 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 4, #656 of 2018 🔗

It’s the MP who is now the Vaccines Minister. Can’t remember his name unfortunately.

382399 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #657 of 2018 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi

383538 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #658 of 2018 🔗

The Minister of Vaccines? Bring back the Minister of Silly Walks.

382013 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #659 of 2018 🔗

Prior to the lockdowns the UK was on amber alert for possible terrorism attacks. We were bombarded with this on a daily basis. However, nowadays nothing from the government , nothing in the media about this.

What has happened to these terrorists?

382024 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Victoria, 15, #660 of 2018 🔗

At the risk of stating the obvious the government are the terrorists now. How else can you describe the systematic inculcation of fear in a population other than an act of terrorism?

382085 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Achilles, 6, #661 of 2018 🔗

If you look at the definition of a terrorist in the terrorism act, then the government fulfill their own definition of a terrorist.

382136 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, 1, #662 of 2018 🔗

Yep, just look at the CPS website definition (posted several times before).

382158 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 3, #663 of 2018 🔗

Maybe we could get Desmond Swayne to drop this fact into a speech sometime?

382026 ▶▶ Bigland, replying to Victoria, 12, #664 of 2018 🔗

They’ve been furloughed.

382030 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Victoria, 7, #665 of 2018 🔗

The War on Terror, is now The War on The Virus. And, as with all “Wars”, it really is a war on humanity.

382047 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Jinks, 1, #666 of 2018 🔗

We have always been at war with the virus.

382072 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jinks, 1, #667 of 2018 🔗

Die of Covid
Die with Covid

War on Virus
War with Virus

382043 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 5, #668 of 2018 🔗

ISIS has sisappeared – just like the flu.

382194 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 2, #669 of 2018 🔗

They got locked down.

382459 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 1, #670 of 2018 🔗

The global cabal flipped the switch from terrorism to forest fires in Australia and climate change, probably to give them time to up-skill for OPERATION COVID. Don’t worry they will flip it back again when it suits them.
It’s a never ending story
I know a song about that…Limahl – Never Ending Story – 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf1WT8VEZxk
It’s la la land now, I think I have gone onto yet another level.

383539 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, #671 of 2018 🔗

We are the terrorists now.

382018 Coronabonus, replying to Coronabonus, 10, #673 of 2018 🔗

Retweeted by Ivor Cummins this morning:

I just called @talkRADIO
to speak with Mike Graham. The station appears to have a #facebook style #factchecker who I had 1st to speak with, who said I cannot #discuss #ivermectin as it is not #approved . I charged him that the station were #guilty of #censorship . His reply, “YES”.

382442 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Coronabonus, 2, #674 of 2018 🔗

That’s appalling. But isn’t it the case that the vaccines being used aren’t technically approved? So they shouldn’t be discussed either?

382044 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #676 of 2018 🔗

It will become lawful for the police to torture and murder citizens.

How did it come to this

382033 Cecil B, 18, #677 of 2018 🔗

Early on the Pig Dictator should have realised that you cannot satisfy hysterical Covidians

They are now turning on him

Hilarious

382034 PastImperfect, 2, #678 of 2018 🔗
382036 BSK2, replying to BSK2, 29, #679 of 2018 🔗

UK HITS 100,000 DEATHS THAT OCCURRED WITHIN 28 DAYS OF A POSITIVE COVID 19 TEST (SOME OF WHICH WERE FALSE POSITIVES) – ACTUAL NUMBER OF C19 DEATHS UNLIKELY TO EVER BE KNOWN

There, I fixed your headline for you.

382039 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to BSK2, 13, #680 of 2018 🔗

Early on, quite a few of those were not even tested.

382297 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to BSK2, 2, #681 of 2018 🔗

Apparently many people are dying 28 days after being alive.

382355 ▶▶▶ BSK2, replying to Basileus, #682 of 2018 🔗

Sometimes 27 days. Or 11 days.

It’s shocking.

382037 Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #683 of 2018 🔗

Lockdown Stories: My 16-year-old son was suicidal | 26-Jan-21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9JaS2s165Q

A talkRADIO listener has revealed she received a text message from her 16-year-old son explaining lockdown was making him feel suicidal.

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Cathy said she was “naïve” about the effects of the lockdown in March, but now feels like she is “in limbo.”

“We thought we would get on with it. My son is 16 and has always had anxiety. Then March came. Then we had all the uncertainty of being at home, what that meant for him. It all left everything up in the air.

“He worked really hard at school. He had support to keep him on track. All that stopped when he was at home, and we didn’t really know what to do.

“It broke my heart. You don’t expect to see a text message from your own son saying he feels suicidal and he couldn’t take the pressure. I wanted to take that away from him… We were in limbo and we didn’t know what to do.”

382042 rose, 3, #684 of 2018 🔗

Don’t go. Life on here wouldn’t be the same without you

382046 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 24, #685 of 2018 🔗

‘UK Hits 100,000 Covid Deaths’
The above statement is utter garbage. Just remember this: Covid deaths. cases, infections, pandemic, world wide lock downs not to mention the billions of profits sucked up by the already grotesquely rich, are ALL predicated on the PCR test which is not only useless but is significantly worse than useless!

Even the WHO are now slowly admitting that the test is not fit for purpose.

On the 13th of January, they put out this memo , stating that a single positive PCR test should not be used for diagnosing Sars-Cov-2 infection.

And they also said:

Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.

Great goobledegook that isn’t it? But the key phrase here is: aid for diagnosis which in their guarded way is saying that this test is not suitable to be used as a diagnostic tool in its own right

You can get a better understanding of this here:

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/25/who-finally-admits-pcr-is-not-a-diagnostic-test/

Johnson and co. now realise that their game is up. Their national fear mongering with rubbish figures is a lie. They are living on borrowed time.

382060 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #686 of 2018 🔗

I have emailed my MP today with similar information requesting he contact Hancock to explain why testing centres, NHS are still using over 40 cycles against WHO recommendations and the favourable consequence of dropping cases and deaths attributed to covid, if cycles were reduced to the recommended level. I await the response.

382144 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Hattie, 2, #687 of 2018 🔗

Good on you Hattie. I hope you get a positive response. However, if your MP is anything like mine (Labour–Alex sobel) he wouldn’t have a clue about the subject matter.

382070 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #688 of 2018 🔗

We as sceptics need to bang hard on the problems with the PCR test. The case for ongoing lockdowns will collapse if that can be properly discredited.

382079 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #689 of 2018 🔗

I would go a step further and say that PCR failures and the unwillingness to acknowledge issues with cycles 25+ need to be linked to deaths. That is all anyone cares about now.

This is why they continued to deliberately muddy the waters by still going on about reinfection, variants and asymptomatic transmission. It is wilful.

382099 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #690 of 2018 🔗

Anyone heard how Reiner Fuellmich’s class action in Canada (re the PCR test) is going?

382109 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 1, #691 of 2018 🔗

Howard Steens twitter is a good place to keep updated.

382128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #692 of 2018 🔗

Thanks 🙂

382949 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to redbirdpete, #693 of 2018 🔗

Bang harder on lockdown

382101 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #694 of 2018 🔗

This is the best discussion on PCR I’ve seen. Breaks it down into simple terms. Note they explain that all these FOIs saying the NHS uses 45 cycles means nothing. It’s the cut off for a positive case that is the key and this has never been made public.

https://youtu.be/5fznDgRHInM

In addition, labs are incentivised to return positives. One positive means a load of family members and contacts go off for tests. The government has promised to reach a massive level of testing. It’s gamed.

382125 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #695 of 2018 🔗

It’s good but try getting a brainwashed person to watch a video that is that long!

382121 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #696 of 2018 🔗

Can someone get Julia H-B to take this WHO statement up in one of her interviews with an MP?

382445 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Carrie, 1, #697 of 2018 🔗

It would be even better of one of ‘our’ representative journalists at the regular shit shows raised the question. But presumably such a question wouldn’t get past pre-broadcast scrutiny.

382126 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #698 of 2018 🔗

Three simple facts that even the general pleblic should be able to understand:

  1. The inventor of the PCR test said it shouldn’t be used for this
  2. DHSC admit that the test cannot detect the disease (Awkward Git FOI)
  3. The British Medical Journal said on 30/12/20: “No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use”

One more fact: the government is lying.

382336 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #699 of 2018 🔗

Johnson and co. now realise that their game is up. Their national fear mongering with rubbish figures is a lie. They are living on borrowed time.

Sorry, Harry, you’re living in dreamland. The people of Britain are criticising Boris Johnson – but only because he didn’t lock down hard enough or early enough.

You’ve got no chance of altering that mindset.

382658 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, #700 of 2018 🔗

That is the propaganda line that the media are pushing.Conveniently forgetting all those countries that locked down earlier and had equally bad outcomes.Mainly for counting everything as Covid just like us.

382049 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 61, #701 of 2018 🔗

While our children were watching CBeebies yesterday evening before dinner, my wife noticed that this disgusting video was airing. It starts:

Inside our home is where we stay.

It’s where we learn, it’s where we play.

Inside our home we splish, splash, splosh

when we give our hands a wash.

We wash them lots every day

to be sure to keep the germs away.

And it ends:

Inside our home we draw rainbows

and put them up in our windows.

We make sure they take pride of place

to say thank you to those who keep us safe.

With plenty more garbage in between, all about how it’s just fine to stay at home all day. This makes me sick. The BBC is well and truly sick.

382058 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mattghg, 9, #702 of 2018 🔗

Unbelievable! Who can stop this nonsense?

382090 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mattghg, 42, #703 of 2018 🔗

I feel nauseous.

Inside our home is where we stay,
Because they took our lives away.
Inside our home we sanitise
Our youthful skin until it dies.
Our friends we miss, but every day
The bullies keep them well away.

Inside our home we put our nose
Against the tight-shut prison windows,
And wonder why the NHS
Got Britain’s children in this mess.

383126 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Annie, 2, #704 of 2018 🔗

Brilliant – just read this, after that brainwashing propaganda pretending to be education above – out loud to my partner. Annie, you are a star.

383328 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 1, #705 of 2018 🔗

Thank you, and good night, abused children everywhere.

382107 ▶▶ alw, replying to mattghg, 4, #706 of 2018 🔗

Just don’t let your children or grandchildren watch this ghastly programme.

382127 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 6, #707 of 2018 🔗

Pretty much smacks of those Chinese Communist propaganda garbage.

382191 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mattghg, 7, #708 of 2018 🔗

I have no words. That’s fucked up.

382209 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mattghg, 7, #709 of 2018 🔗

The Cartoon Network channels have some brainwashing dross trying to scare the kids into never touching their faces ‘because that’s where all the naughty germs go’ as part of a stupid rap about ‘being safe’. My 5 year old treats these adverts with the disdain they deserve.

382224 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #710 of 2018 🔗

Disgusting.

382356 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to mattghg, 1, #711 of 2018 🔗

Praise the lord I have literally not watched the BBC in an entire year. Blood pressure at better levels. I’d suggest you dump them too, and stop paying them a license fee. The BBC needs to be obliterated to dust.

382471 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mattghg, 2, #712 of 2018 🔗

how about we find out who the producer of this bullshit is, who wrote it, who commissions this crap. Holy fuck.

When was is on, what was the program?

EEEEEe and that whimsical northern accent…Eeeeeee weeeeerrrrr a grrrrreat baker were my granddad……

https://www.carlamellor.co.uk/about

OK it’s probably her accent…but STILL, with an accent like you could be a well paid voice-over actor. Everybody likes a northern accent like that, especially telling you “soreh but the guvernmunt is goin to ave t’lock you ooop f’ t’other people’s safeteh…….eeee baaa gum its tuff but w’ave no choice”….

382588 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Two-Six, 3, #713 of 2018 🔗

Normalizing this mass house arrest seems to be the only thing she writes poems about: https://www.carlamellor.co.uk/videos

Utterly, utterly vile.

382947 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mattghg, 1, #714 of 2018 🔗

god, don’t let your kids watch that pernicious drivel. you’d be better off letting them watch porno films. seriously, cancel your TV licence and select some good quality films or series for them on DVD or blu-ray

382052 Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #715 of 2018 🔗

What Happened To SARS-1?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__DH26S6Kk

Dr. Sam Bailey
173K subscribers
Around 17 years before Covid-19 and what is termed “SARS-CoV-2” there was SARS or SARS-CoV-1. But where did SARS go? And how does it relate to Covid-19?

382053 MikeAustin, replying to MikeAustin, 12, #716 of 2018 🔗

Boris’ willingness to admit responsibility for 100,000 ‘covid deaths’ may be an attempt to hide his responsibility for deceitful presentation of the facts and disastrous anti-covid measures. Some are talking of litigation, which I welcome. Innocence of causing fabricated death numbers will show guilt of fabrication. The blindingly obvious facts will have to be presented to all. See here: https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1948

382067 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MikeAustin, 13, #717 of 2018 🔗

I don’t believe he feels responsible for any of it

382122 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #718 of 2018 🔗

His taking responsibility would be a totally novel phenomenon.

382159 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 1, #719 of 2018 🔗

Of course he doesn’t, if he did he would have resigned wouldn’t he?

382225 ▶▶▶ MikeAustin, replying to Julian, 1, #720 of 2018 🔗

He feels the fear of being judged responsible for something worse.

382170 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to MikeAustin, 4, #721 of 2018 🔗

What about the deaths from cancer, suicide etc that should have been prevented? However because of the NHS being a covid only health service, an untold number have died that shouldn’t have. The cabinet and the MSM are drowning in blood, never mind on their hands.

382938 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FlynnQuill, #722 of 2018 🔗

I wouldn’t be Boris Johnson for anything. To err is human, but he is now up to his neck in Macbeth-ian levels of evil-doing

382066 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #723 of 2018 🔗

Its now a casedemic.

382069 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 12, #724 of 2018 🔗

It always was.

382073 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Annie, 6, #725 of 2018 🔗

Johnson looks like he’s just realised

382104 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to DanClarke, 1, #726 of 2018 🔗

… it’s now like ever …

382074 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #727 of 2018 🔗

Yesterday I saw a 5 year old boy who was unwell. He had been at school, his mum picked him up at normal home time, only to be told that he’d been asleep from about 1 o’clock. The significance of the story is that the school didn’t say that he should go home immediately, that the school didn’t demand a test and, as far as I am aware they didn’t send his classmates home either; they just let him sleep. He had a viral sore throat.
I do have one request and that is to use the right terminology.
A person can die of CoViD19 but they cannot die with CoViD19.
A person can die with SARS-Cov-2 but they cannot die of SARS-CoV-2.
I know this appears to be pedantic but a person dies of a disease not of the infecting pathogen.
Technically, CoViD19 is a syndrome as it is a collection of signs and symptoms that are not common across all medical cases, c.f. AIDS and HIV.

382084 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to p02099003, 5, #728 of 2018 🔗

Hardly anyone has died OF Covid19, approx 4,000 in UK MIGHT have. The rest died WITH Covid19. Please get this right!

382160 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to peyrole, 5, #729 of 2018 🔗

please reread what I actually said.

CoViD stands for Corona Virus Disease. A disease, by definition is a collection of signs and symptoms.
The test is for the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the causative pathogen for CoViD19.
All people with CoViD19 have SARS-CoV-2, but not all people with SARS-CoV-2 have CoViD19.

All people with AIDS have HIV infection, but not all people with HIV infection have AIDS.

382147 ▶▶ JASA, replying to p02099003, 1, #730 of 2018 🔗

I’m sorry, but I don’t accept that. You can have two diseases at the same time and only one kills you, so you die with the other one being present. You can have cancer and be killed by being run over by a bus, so you died with cancer.

382196 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JASA, 6, #731 of 2018 🔗

This is what happens when people conflate CoViD19 with the virus.
The test detects the presence of the virus RNA ( SARS-CoV-2 ) not the disease called CoViD19 . A disease is, by definition, a collection of signs and symptoms not the presence of a pathogen .

382249 ▶▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to p02099003, 3, #732 of 2018 🔗

I agree.

There is a particular pathogen.

Evidence suggests that this particular pathogen is associated with a specific set of symptoms in certain patients.

We do not fully understand why it is associated with those symptoms in some people, nor why it is present in other people who show no symptoms.

We do not really understand how it spreads through a population because it is so small that we cannot see it without an electron microscope. So we do not observe what it is really doing.

We have also not proven causation of the symptoms through direct infection of the pathogen into a live human but because we take Germ Theory as axiomatic we accept that the pathogen must be the cause of the symptoms.

We do not really understand why the symptoms are associated with a clear seasonality effect but have a number of beliefs as to why this may be the case.

I could continue…….

Despite the “science”, when you cut into the logic from first principles we really have no clue what is going on.

Most of our science is really based on lots of correlations and associational analyses based on theories that are accepted as axiomatic.

382302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #733 of 2018 🔗

We do not really understand

Brilliant! Let’s shout it from the roof tops! No, we don’t understand. And yet the entire government and media apparratus discourages lateral thinking and questioning. What madness when we need it most!

And this particularly:

We have also not proven causation of the symptoms through direct infection of the pathogen into a live human but because we take Germ Theory as axiomatic we accept that the pathogen must be the cause of the symptoms.

As I have said before, it is germ theory that is at stake here: if you want to see how humans hang on with clenched fists to their beliefs at any cost, then watch as society disintegrates around them. No price is too high to defend an idea.

When germ theory collapses, society can move on. But it is going to be a long and hard struggle. The Germans (no pun intended!) finally woke up when they saw their cities in smouldering ruins. It is a good analogy: when society finally sees the personal, cultural and financial ruins, it too will let go of a cherished belief and move on with better and clearer understanding.

382270 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to p02099003, #734 of 2018 🔗

I agree with what you say in relation to the virus and the disease and that people can’t die of SARS-CoV-2. There is no need to bold the words, I understand. I am autistic not brain dead. I have been on this site from the beginning and no one is more sceptical of all this crap than me, but I disagree with you in relation to you saying that someone cannot die with a disease. If you have a collection of signs and symptoms and they do not kill you, then you die with them.

382320 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JASA, 3, #735 of 2018 🔗

Apologies but no offence meant with applying the bold to the words. However, if you have signs and symptoms of CoViD19 then it will appear, correctly on the death certificate as it is a notifiable disease, and unless an autopsy is performed you cannot say whether it is the cause or contributory.
However, if you don’t have symptoms but have a positive test then it shouldn’t appear on the death certificate, but it does.
My mother’s death certificate had sepsis as cause of death caused by osteomyelitis. Both of these are disease processes, the bacterial infection that caused the osteomyelitis was not included.
The real issue is that a case of CoViD19 has been defined as a positive test for the virus.

382746 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to p02099003, #736 of 2018 🔗

I agree with that Italian doctor who said that ‘COVID 19’ is code to those in the know for ‘Certificate of Vaccination and Identification 19’

382206 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 3, #737 of 2018 🔗

You’re absolutely right to point that out, it’s not pedantic. I believe that there’s a very deliberate attempt to conflate all language around this. SARS-CoV-2/CoViD-19, Infections/Cases, the list goes on. It’s like a whole load of new doublespeak infecting the lexicon.

382076 peyrole, 20, #738 of 2018 🔗

We are no further along after almost 12 months of increasing madness. I wrote about being in Thailand amangst Chinese from Wuhan when this thing broke in late Jan last year. How the Thai govt only reacted after the US fired the shot in late Feb, up to that point the country was completely open with no deaths at all despite thousands of Chinese tourists.
I wrote about the change to recording of Death Certificates which would inevitably lead to covid deaths becoming the only recorded death allowed. I wrote about behaviour in cities like NY that created deaths by shipping ill people into care homes quite deliberately. I wrote about the manipulation of national statistics and the criminal media response in creating fear everywhere.
What has changed in 12 months? Nothing at all. We have had brief periods when voices have been heard trying to use facts to cut through the lies, then for frighteningly oppressive reasons they have been cowed and silenced. But generally the drum beat of fear continues, the totalitarian onslaught gains strength and momentum. Hope diminishes.
The world, as we knew it, didn’t end in a bang, but with a whimper.

382080 Steve F, 5, #739 of 2018 🔗

Please don’t abandon the castle. As Spikedee1 says below, the content of your posts has often been useful in discussions with Covidians or sheep. I keep an archive of the most informative and/or entertaining LS posts (in case the castle walls are breached and we have to retreat to the hills) and yours feature prominently. You have a social, educational and military duty to remain here until the last day.
If this, and all the other appeals to your conscience, fail to persuade you, I’d like to take this last chance to say thank you for everything.
We never did decide on an appropriate rune, did we?

382088 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #740 of 2018 🔗

Well, why not.

382094 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #741 of 2018 🔗

Carrier bag
Efficiency 100%

382105 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 26, #742 of 2018 🔗

Why stop at 3?

382138 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Biggles, 5, #743 of 2018 🔗

Thank you for the first big laugh in days.

382111 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #744 of 2018 🔗

Want to eliminate the virus? – then eliminate breathing. Just mandate air tight plastic bags and get on with it.

382182 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #745 of 2018 🔗

At what point do you stop breathing?

382092 janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, 35, #746 of 2018 🔗

I’m glad people are pushing back against the editorial team for losing its nerve. Please remain vigilant and critical!

I was very closely involved in a lockdown critical community from the start. Somewhere at around the point when our community got big enough that those of us organizers started to get a taste for attention and respect, it got to some organizers’ head. By their demand it became “vital” that the conversation remain respectable and palatable to potential skeptics (their peers whom they wanted to impress??) and the censorship became ever more aggressive. I wanted to tear my hair out arguing about this on the back end, but I was completely outnumbered. The biggest problem was that the commenters, to stupefied by authority to see what was happening, bought the official line that it was necessary to be censorious – because otherwise we might get axed. Was there actually a risk of getting axed? Yes, and so? Are we going to preemptively smother the conversation?

It’s hard enough to live in this dystopia. To lose the out of sanity when suddenly subtle turning and gaslighting slips in — it leaves you feeling very, very isolated. Please don’t let this happen here and preemptively ensure that LS doesn’t become a bunch of apologetic weasels. Please push back against admins who get weak-kneed. What a mess we’re all in. Cowards everywhere.

382113 ▶▶ RickH, replying to janejakobs, 6, #747 of 2018 🔗

Totally agree.

There is a delicate balance to be struck, which is why I react strongly against an excess of partisan politics and too much speculation about the wider conspiracy issues : we have enough on to simply get over the actual facts. Note how we have not won on the basic issue of numbers and proportionality – such that Johnson can bang on about ‘100,000 Covid deaths’.

So when ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ repeats the fiction in a headline – I do react.

382141 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to janejakobs, 1, #748 of 2018 🔗

I think the alarm bell for me was when the term bedwetter was discouraged because of a single complaint.

382221 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Hattie, 2, #749 of 2018 🔗

It wasn’t a single complaint. A whole tranche of us here thought it childish and public schoolboy ish which undermined the serious case.

382252 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to concrete68, 2, #750 of 2018 🔗

I am against censorship in any form but think the term was not that useful and a tactical mistake

I think what we are seeing now in terms of a more defensive stance that seems to be accepting some parts of a false narrative as true is in a different league and more serious

382098 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 12, #751 of 2018 🔗

Housing minister can’t rule out a lockdown next winter which in politician speak means expect a lockdown next winter.

382102 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky1, 13, #752 of 2018 🔗

Every winter unless people wake up

382179 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 4, #753 of 2018 🔗

Don’t forget those other seasons between winters…

382120 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ricky1, 10, #754 of 2018 🔗

we are NEVER coming out of lockdown…..the global GREEN MARXIST agenda is planned for the next ten years at least…….

382100 Two-Six, 4, #755 of 2018 🔗

Don’t go. Your contributions are of a super high quality that I will never aspire to. However, your comment was probably brought to the attention of a moderator because you posted three or more links, then after looking at your picture of holocaust victims decided to block the posting of it.

Free speech is one thing but posting pictures of holocaust victims is…edgy. For a lot of obvious reasons. Better avoided if at all possible. Because your post was moderated because of the links somebody was able to moderate it before it went out.

I don’t post nasty pictures of foetuses that are deformed due to depleted uranium or pictures of starving African children or people getting their brains blown out to push a point or make a point stronger, just cos its horrible.

382106 norwegian, replying to norwegian, #756 of 2018 🔗

Norwegian state media is reporting on the 100000 mark; the horror, the horror …

382142 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to norwegian, 10, #757 of 2018 🔗

A quick search of U.K. mortality rates reveals that over 160,000 die each year from cancer, a similar number due to heart and circulatory diseases and some 60,000 plus due to Alzheimer’s disease. Does Bozo think that these numbers are worthy of some sort of memorial?
No. Why not? Because we accept that these are the numbers of people who die from these diseases, not just in 2020, but year on year. In the case of two of the above categories, this includes large numbers of younger people and children.
Unfortunately there will be far more of these deaths in years to come because we have all been sacrificed to appease the Covid-19 god.

382161 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 6, #758 of 2018 🔗

Yes. And if we had half-decent journalism, one of the tribe might be asking ‘What about those who have died because of exclusion from diagnosis and treatment, Boris?”

382287 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Margaret, 2, #759 of 2018 🔗

We should have a running total of all deaths from cancer/heart disease/road traffic accidents/alzheimers/influenza etc. Have an age column next to them as well. We can use 2000 as our base year, since they’ve done away with only counting deaths of/by/with cause in the calendar year and then starting again. Is this Ferguson’s plan? Label everything going as Covid, keep counting forever and bang, eventually we hit the magical 500k? .

382108 Rowan, 3, #760 of 2018 🔗

If you want the deliberations of a fifteen year old, who has the mental development of someone much younger, then Sam Bowman is your man.

382116 Ken Gardner, #761 of 2018 🔗

Seen on FB recently – I thought it quite a hard-hitting message…

382118 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 7, #762 of 2018 🔗

I received a ‘save the date’ card in the post yesterday. A friend is planning to get married in August, and the card says that ‘invitations will be sent once covid restrictions become clearer’.

I don’t know whether to admire the optimism or despise the naivete behind this. We aren’t going to have proper weddings this summer, and there’s no way that I would (or should) be among the first 30 people to be invited.

382140 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to mattghg, 8, #763 of 2018 🔗

My ski friends have literally in the last week only come round to the idea that there will be no skiing this year. Husband has not accepted the reality of not going to Greece this summer, deferred from last year, and still thinks that we might be able to go for my birthday!

Despise the naivety, is where I am!

382163 ▶▶ davews, replying to mattghg, 2, #764 of 2018 🔗

My sister-in-law told me to save the date for their Golden wedding at Christmas 2019, also in August. We all know what happened to that (Zoom only, still supposed to be celebrated sometime..)

382583 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to davews, #765 of 2018 🔗

Do you mean 2020?

382695 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to muzzle, #766 of 2018 🔗

Yes, the Golden Wedding was August 2020. Hotel restaurant closed so celebrations out of the question.

382229 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mattghg, 2, #767 of 2018 🔗

I can’t blame people for having hope. Without hope what else is there? I rather see it that it’s best to plan nothing and if able do it spontaneously than get beat down with disappointment. Granted, that’s not so easy with a wedding as it is a holiday. I’m so glad I got married in 2019!

382250 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 4, #768 of 2018 🔗

It’s nice to have hope and I understand why people do it but the trouble is that it is hope that is enabling the frogs to be boiled

So these days I tell whoever’s listening that I don’t expect this shit to end until we say it does

382231 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to mattghg, 5, #769 of 2018 🔗

I received a wedding invitation for May the other day, May!! People are delusional.

382292 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #770 of 2018 🔗

There seems to be no end to people’s naivety. Or to their capacity for cognitive dissonance- they look forward to “vaccination” as some sort of salvation, but also understand that being “vaccinated” will have no effect whatsoever on their day-to-day lives. Like many on here, I’ve found things out about people- in general and specifically- which I’d rather have not found out at all.

382454 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mattghg, 1, #771 of 2018 🔗

yes, a lovely girl I know is planning to get married in October 2022- she is completely confident that all this will be ancient history by then. I didn’t have the heart to suggest otherwise, I just silently hoped not for the first time that I have got everything completely wrong

382119 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 5, #772 of 2018 🔗

Triple masks = doubleplusgood!

382135 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to HelenaHancart, 5, #773 of 2018 🔗

Ignorance is strength. Triple ignorance is triple strength.

382178 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #774 of 2018 🔗

Fantastic! That will get rid of these scared people – all these illnesses that becomes worse with less oxygen: more cancer deaths, increased brain damage/dementia, lowered immune systems etc

382129 Ewan Duffy, 3, #775 of 2018 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0127/1192280-coronavirus-politics/
TLDR Irish Government will not seal the border with NI over COVID.

In other words, this is not about a virus – it is about politics.

382132 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #776 of 2018 🔗

A friend of mine works in a school, she is PA to the Head. She has been told she has to be tested 2x per week and has been sent a bunch of home testing kits. Not clear if they are LF or PCR – the box says NHS Covid-19 Self Test kit.

She is pretty pissed off with this, so am wondering if forcing healthy people to repeatedly test themselves is actually an infringement of any shred of human rights remaining to us? Does anyone know the answer to this? Can the school terminate her employment if she refuses and would she have any legal redress if they did so?

I did tell her to stick the swab in a glass of water if they wanted proof of testing, otherwise to dump them straight in the bin and report back that the tests are negative! ;-D.

382155 ▶▶ Julian, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #777 of 2018 🔗

I doubt she can be forced – it won’t be in her contract

382181 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Julian, #778 of 2018 🔗

Is the Head gong to have be tested 2x a week? If not, then why should she?

382195 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 4, #779 of 2018 🔗

Agree unless they officially change her contract (long process of consultation and her agreeing) then the only way she can be tested at this stage is to volunteer

382290 ▶▶ rose, replying to HelzBelz, #780 of 2018 🔗

Even glasses of water have tested positive!

382303 ▶▶ Annie, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #781 of 2018 🔗

She can shove it into anything she likes, who’s to know?

382446 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 1, #782 of 2018 🔗

yes, follow the example of president Magufuli of Tanzania, and shove them into the items in your fruitbowl – as in his case, some will come back positive, and then you get 2 weeks off work!

382453 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to HelzBelz, #783 of 2018 🔗

Take them off her hands, test random stuff, send them off, get the results, document the whole thing and then shove it on Youtube.

382133 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #784 of 2018 🔗

Keith Cuntabout revealing a few home truths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0GYbDUfm3o

382152 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #785 of 2018 🔗

He, in all his guises, has been superb at telling it like it is

382186 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #786 of 2018 🔗

Agree. The Home schooling series is so spot on!

382137 Binra, 11, #787 of 2018 🔗

This site is intent on passing off as captured opposition – ie the appearance of an opposition that operates as damage limitation for a narrative dictate.
While this could be self censorship of a survival instinct, I ask why basic propaganda education is not in place – in the same way as I could ask why Vit D isn’t clearly promoted at effective levels against severe ‘covid’ complications.

I put ‘covid’ in quotes because running with what we are told from on High – and from a gutter press, is not trustworthy information.
If LDS is a one stop shop, the reader will not be aware of other news that is not given here. But that doesn’t mean LDS is a ‘google’ or some other kind of evil bogey.
The social club nature of the main comment themes shows a big difference from the wealth of information shared in earlier days.

Most of what I see on LDS I have read iterations of repeatedly and don’t consent to be conditioned by reading it some more. One feeling I get of its policy and produce is of an incapacity or unwillingness to learn. This also means a skim through the page that has less and less to say. And is often saying it in a way that re-propagates propaganda.
Useful idiots is a derogatory term for those who think they are serving a cause that actually uses their naivety. The cancel of culture as a social engineering project is not open to communication from anything outside its ruleset. One can only reach to the minds that already somewhat willing to listen. Your abuser cannot hear or see or recognise you – no matter what you say of do – but you can elect to stop running its programming in your own hearts and minds – from the awakening recognition that you do this unto yourself – regardless ‘They’ set up to false-frame you in ‘offers you cant refuse’.

Educating ourselves regarding targeted manipulative deceit is a responsibility of the first order. But any invested identity will protect its own. What identifies you – and everything – truly? Fear and control? Only if you insist!

382139 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #788 of 2018 🔗

‘So, don’t you dare call us ‘Covid deniers’ or ‘Covid sceptics’. Every critic of lockdown I know understands the seriousness of Covid-19…. We know Covid is real, we know certain measures are necessary, and we take many of those measures ourselves.’

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/27/dont-you-dare-call-us-covid-deniers/

Oh dear, BON’s mask slips as he tugs Toby Young style forelock (see TY’s recent surrender to Emily Maitlis on Tonight, or defending Tory government lockdown policies on Australian TV a few days ago) in today’s Spiked editorial.
I was slammed yesterday for branding many self declared lockdown sceptics as ‘virtue signallers’. Well, maybe I was wrong, perhaps they are better described as Government & Big Pharma shills ? S’blood…

382145 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #789 of 2018 🔗

Make as many sweeping generalisations as you like, though I prefer it when you make good points and logically sound arguments instead.

382192 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #790 of 2018 🔗

There’s a bigger picture to consider than either the daily Graph Wars or Info Wars (which both play straight into the hands of MSM and the government). Good points and polite petitions will not overturn the current national imprisonment, as politicians have no interest in reversing the power grab.

382205 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #791 of 2018 🔗

Good points and polite petitions are designed to get more of the public and some backbench MPs on our side, to enable more pressure to be applied to govt

Trouble is those good points are simply not getting in front of people often enough and hard enough to make the impact we need, due to lack of funds

I don’t see any alternatives to this approach that have any chance of succeeding, but always happy to see suggestions

382239 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Julian, 3, #792 of 2018 🔗

Either lockdown is right or it is wrong. The Government has employed an army of psychologists and propaganda experts from weeks before the initial lockdown was announced to push its agenda. LS should try to ‘inform’, ‘oppose’ and ‘question’ this government propaganda. It cannot try to convince people or MPs by diluting points or jettisoning them altogether because they aren’t ‘people friendly’ enough.
If the truth only appeals to 5% of the population then so be it, do you water it down to reach 20% (or deny it altogether as TY did)? If we are right then time will be on our side. MPs, on the other hand, never will, as they inevitably follow the party line (or they will be dumped, and glittering careers ended).

382306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 6, #793 of 2018 🔗

It’s a controversial area but I agree with you. Reality is that we have almost cerainly lost the war. Toby is still trying to win by giving in to their bullshit little by little to prioritise the biggest issues. Unfortunately, as soon as you concede an inch the propaganda machine will make a mile out of it. Personally I would rather that we stubbornly stick to the fact-based reasoning, so that at least history will have a record of people that didn’t give into any of this stinking pile of lies. If saying that this virus is generally less serious than flu, or that there likely was no real second wave, means I am a covid-denier, then so be it. I’m prepared to go down with the ship.

382214 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #794 of 2018 🔗

I think the vast majority of commenters here would agree with you. I understand your frustration with the timidity of the ‘resistance’ at present, but perhaps it would be more constructive to direct the totality of your ire at those that most deserve it. And have patience… the 100th monkey is pulling on his boots as we speak.

382148 ▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 15, #795 of 2018 🔗

I think any “surrender” on TY’s part is in the service as he sees it of making the LS case as widely appealing and hard to attack as possible

You may disagree with that as a tactic but I think it’s unfair, on the evidence to question his motives

382184 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Julian, 5, #796 of 2018 🔗

widely appealing and hard to attack as possible

Convince people by caving into Maitlis and ‘admitting’ LS editorial was wrong (when a little more research would have shown it wasn’t)? Or by making the lockdown case for the government, when he should be opposing it?
If you are advocating this approach then you are perhaps right on one account, as the MSM won’t attack someone on their knees waving a white C19 flag and distributing government propaganda. But at least change the name of the site to Lockdown Compliants.

382216 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #797 of 2018 🔗

I am not advocating this approach (in fact I think it is the wrong approach) – I am just positing some reasons for TY doing what he did that are compatible with lockdown scepticism

I repeat I think accusations of TY acting in bad faith or being a govt apologist seem unfair and unfounded to me

382227 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 3, #798 of 2018 🔗

I agree, I think Toby is a principled and honourable man, but as I just said, I think sometimes he presumes a little too much good faith on the part of his (and our) critics in the mainstream media.

With that said, this may simply be a strategy on Toby’s part to persuade his critics and perhaps his approach is the right one.

382218 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 3, #799 of 2018 🔗

I do feel sometimes that Toby presumes a little too much good faith on the part of MSM critics of lockdown scepticism, who I think are often simply pushing government propaganda with little regard for the truth.

382437 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, 1, #800 of 2018 🔗

Toby Young is not the problem

382187 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 23, #801 of 2018 🔗

The position that TY takes on anything, and the content he publishes above the line, is his business.

However there is undoubtedly a schism between “hard” and “soft” lockdown sceptics which is growing. Many below the line, including myself, are of the opinion that we should give no quarter and brook no compromise with the implementers, enablers and supporters of these dreadful, murderous policies that are completely and irreparably destroying the fabric of our society. I think there is an element of denial across the board about just how much trouble we are in here. Anyone in that state needs to wake up to reality, and bloody quick.

382240 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, 6, #802 of 2018 🔗

Precisely. One can’t be semi-anti-evil.

382444 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 3, #803 of 2018 🔗

Thanks, Richard, for this very important point. I agree. We cannot compromise here, not only because it could undermine our own arguments (and morale), but also because it would be morally wrong, as leggy has said.

382156 davews, replying to davews, 13, #804 of 2018 🔗

Not sure if other councils are doing this but ours has just pushed a leaflet through my door ‘Stay at Home….’. Largely a straight copy of all the government guideline stuff with couple of local bits added. Interestingly the only mention of masks is the usual drawing of one ‘cover face in enclosed spaces’ and the word ‘exempt’ doesn’t appear anywhere. I also noticed when I drove to the dentist yesterday that the two big signs that normally tell you how many spaces there are in the carparks have now changed to ‘stay at home’ messages. They are really trying to push the stuff.

382203 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to davews, 12, #805 of 2018 🔗

Ironic that someone had to leave their home to post the propaganda through your letterbox.

382521 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, #806 of 2018 🔗

we got one a while ago, LD2 perhaps….poison. crazy crazy ignorant bastards.

382165 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #807 of 2018 🔗

I don’t know how he said what he did without laughing out loud! He really does think he is a reincarnation of Churchill and this is really WW2!

382172 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #808 of 2018 🔗

I used to think that perhaps he was amusing himself with self-aware affectation, but no, it seems he is actually delusional.

382222 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #809 of 2018 🔗

Perhaps the Churchill of Tonypandy and Gallipoli.

382449 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Bella Donna, #810 of 2018 🔗

‘Churchill’ = the nodding dog on the dashboard and
WW2 = willy waving too

382634 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #811 of 2018 🔗

Jim Hacker used to do a Churchill impression when he wanted to sound profound.At least his was funny

382166 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #812 of 2018 🔗

The knives are out for Boris now. Good for me because I have a wager on him not lasting to the end of this year as PM.

Articles such as this one by The Mirror are likely to be a common theme over the coming days:

Fifteen ways Boris Johnson didn’t ‘do everything we could’ to stop 100k Covid deaths
Personally I think his biggest mistake was announcing the very first lockdown and from that point his hands were tied. As Johan Giesecke said when asked about getting out of lockdowns “that’s your problem”.

It’s unlikely that any other leader would have ended up with a better result without going for a full on lockdown. I also think the window of opportunity for eradication was already passed by the time of the first lockdown. So for me any talk of eradication now is pie in the sky.

It’s entirely possible that had we carried on as we were before the first lockdown that this winters deaths may not have been so high. If we do a crude comparison with Sweden then on a per capita basis we might be on 60k total now, minus all the collateral damage.

We’ll never know for sure how things might have turned out but the evidence suggests to me that we’d have had a better outcome if we hadn’t had that first lockdown.

382171 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #813 of 2018 🔗

You seem very confused in your acceptance of parts of the government narrative.

382173 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 2, #814 of 2018 🔗

explain

382243 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #815 of 2018 🔗

The 60k estimation is based on an acceptance that Sweden haven’t over estimated their deaths. Sebastian Rushworth provided details of their serology studies and real CV-19 deaths could be as low as 17%.

So we are still foggy. Unfortunately the window is moving to a very disjointed place now. Hopefully this will help

382285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #816 of 2018 🔗

Just because I use the reported number in my post doesn’t mean I agree with how they’re arrived at.

I don’t see the point in complicating things by using different numbers then having to explain why. That would just lead to forever arguing about the numbers.

382202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #817 of 2018 🔗

Well I hold no candle for the PM but if he’s removed because he didn’t lock down early enough and hard enough then we’re likely to get someone worse (hard to believe, I know, but it could be Gove or Hancock)

382260 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 5, #818 of 2018 🔗

Good point. This is quite possibly part of the plan. I would imagine it would resonate nicely with the brain-washed, and delay any mass non-compliance.

382167 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 4, #819 of 2018 🔗

Apparently, according to Jacob Rees Mogg, we all gave our consent for this. John’s bit salty but gets the point across. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8bcfNqOn2Q&t=237s

382210 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #820 of 2018 🔗

according to Jacob Rees Mogg” is a phrase used as a signifier that what follows is nicely spoken dimwit garbage.

382217 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 2, #821 of 2018 🔗

Yep.

So, when was this consent’ given?

382262 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to rockoman, 2, #822 of 2018 🔗

when we didnt kick off apparently – its an implied consent.

382174 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 1, #823 of 2018 🔗

This may have been highlighted earlier, the halfwit called Hunt at it again..

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/27/conservative-mp-calls-for-gps-tracking-of-quarantined-britons/

382251 ▶▶ isobar, replying to nickbowes, #824 of 2018 🔗

More like quarter wit!

382567 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nickbowes, #825 of 2018 🔗

Jeremy HHHHHHHHHHHHHHunt!

382193 Sam Vimes, 5, #826 of 2018 🔗

Bunter to speak later about how long restrictions will last. No need to listen to that then, already got it thanks.

382201 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #828 of 2018 🔗

… now do the population adjustment.

382211 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 2, #829 of 2018 🔗

Yep. Also, since 1990 there have been eleven worse months for deaths in Scotland than the December just gone. Two months have come within 400 of the April 2020 total (January 2000 and 2018).

382236 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #830 of 2018 🔗

Back in May (after the spike), it was clear that there had been seven worse years since 1993 for England and Wales.

382200 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #831 of 2018 🔗

The UK had a pandemic response plan that was thrown in the bin the minute a pandemic turned up

either

1 – the authors of the plan should be found and prosecuted for leaving the UK unprepared

or

2 – we should have followed the plan – it was fine

I’d quite like to see the authors defend it

The plan

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/344695/PI_Response_Plan_13_Aug.pdf

appears to have been under the direction of this character

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_Selbie

382215 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #832 of 2018 🔗

Same applies to the 2019 WHO document.

382248 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 1, #833 of 2018 🔗

So why did they bin it, simply blind panic?

382344 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to isobar, 4, #834 of 2018 🔗

Because China did (or said they did) something different, the WHO took their word for it and said everyone else should do the same.

382284 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to SimonCook, 4, #836 of 2018 🔗

I don’t know. But we had a plan and as RickH says, so did the WHO. Every country had a plan and all those plans have authors and none involved lockdown.

Who are these people? They are/were high level anti-lockdowners. Are they feeling ashamed they got it so wrong? Are they fuming that their decent plans were thrown away? Were they lockdowners all along but never considered it possible in a liberal democracy? Did they not consider lockdown because of the self-evident harms?

382339 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to steve_w, 1, #837 of 2018 🔗

All great questions Steve. I’m going to do some more digging.

This Selbie fella seems to have been replaced last August.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-08-17/boss-sorry-beyond-words-after-details-on-public-health-englands-future-leaked

382382 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to SimonCook, 2, #838 of 2018 🔗

If I was a journalist I would get the author names together of all the pandemic plans and phone them up. I don’t know if there are any journalists left though

looks like Selbie was the fall-guy for March/April spike

382766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to steve_w, #839 of 2018 🔗
382204 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #840 of 2018 🔗

i wonder if future generations will look upon current generations and laugh at wearing face masks to stop a virus as we look upon past generations who smelt a pomander to ward off the plague?

(To try and give you some idea of how small the corona virus is, you can fit 1k of them across the width of a hair. They are so numerous there is a 100 million of them for every star in the universe (ok there are many different types of virus). Viruses are in the upper atmosphere, they are on the winds, they are found in the depths of the ocean and found in ice cores thousands of years old. And people believe a damp rag is going to protect them, pass the pomander).

382226 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #841 of 2018 🔗

They will look back the same way we look at the Witchfinder General and the Witch trials .. how did they believe in that superstitious nonsense

382238 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #842 of 2018 🔗

And then they might well find themselves having to learn the lessons of history all over again in some other context.

382279 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #843 of 2018 🔗

If all of the viruses in the oceans were laid end to end they would reach 100,000,000 light years (50 times the distance from here to the Andromeda galaxy) and weigh 1000 times the weight of all of the elephants in the world. This is according to Vincent Racianello.

382312 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #844 of 2018 🔗

No because they will be even more scientifically and mathematically illiterate than the current generation.

382332 ▶▶ BSK2, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #845 of 2018 🔗

At the rate we are going, future generations will be so terrified of everything they are more likely to look back and be horrified that we ONLY wore facemasks because they spend their whole lives hermetically sealed in their own individual Bubble Boy plastic bubbles “for safety”.

382207 rockoman, 4, #846 of 2018 🔗

India appears to be back to normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhvA4V8WqPk

382208 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #847 of 2018 🔗

The government and opposition have broadly been on the same side on lockdowns so I was heartened to hear John Ashworth viciously attacking the government about lockdowns not being strict enough or early enough etc. This is a good development – the government will have to defend itself by talking about harms of lockdown – there is no other argument (apart from fundamental freedoms but no-one believes that any more).

382220 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to steve_w, 1, #848 of 2018 🔗

Good point Steve.

382223 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 1, #849 of 2018 🔗

Fingers crossed. Though Ashworth has been banging this particular drum since day 1 and the response is always “the science…the data… the best advice”.

382228 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 8, #850 of 2018 🔗

I’m afraid I can’t be so optimistic. We need opposition to the narrative – Ashworth and others are essentially endorsing it. The rest is detail – and they’ve been doing it for yonks.

382247 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 6, #851 of 2018 🔗

I agree – the more likely outcome is that the govt will lock down more

382263 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 4, #852 of 2018 🔗

I’m trying to be optimistic – I may not necessarily be right! I think the government’s best defence is ‘the scientists were pushing us to lockdown and we were pushing back because we didn’t think they were factoring in harms of lockdown’. Then when lockdown proves to be a catastrophe the government can say ‘we tried’. But I like the idea of a circular firing squad amongst lockdowners because if someone says it wasn’t hard enough someone has to say it was too hard – or they’ll all just agree we should have locked down in 1387 and stayed locked down.

382233 ▶▶ John P, replying to steve_w, 7, #853 of 2018 🔗

I’m not sure that Ashworth’s attack is any sort of positive development. This has been Labour’s position more or less from the start.

382246 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to steve_w, 5, #854 of 2018 🔗

If I had young children I would keep them ‘socially distanced’ from Ashworth…he gives me the ‘creeps’

382787 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Luckyharry69, #855 of 2018 🔗

It’s that spidery voice. And he never really stops without intervention. When I saw him on Question Time a couple of years ago, where everyone interrupts everyone else as a matter of course, he waffled, whispered and lisped on for what seemed like an hour. Fiona Bruce, the rest of the panel, and the audience never made a sound. They looked anaesthetised, expressionless, hardly even breathing. Ashworth is not of this world. Possibly a dementor in human clothing.

382541 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, #856 of 2018 🔗

Interesting point, taking an argument to its extreme is certainly another way to reveal the weaknesses of that argument. This is a highly subversive tactic when used deliberately, and one that isn’t considered nearly often enough.

382673 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #857 of 2018 🔗

yes. I was considering a petition to prosecute the authors of the UK pandemic response from 2014. The plan which if followed would have killed 500,000 people.

I’m sure they would defend themselves vigorously. And win – because the plan was fine and throwing it in the bin and winging it was madness

382213 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #858 of 2018 🔗

Decision due end of this month

https://youtu.be/5fznDgRHInM

382237 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #859 of 2018 🔗

Great! Thanks for this.

382219 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 35, #860 of 2018 🔗

Clive Myrie is an utter disgrace. A fear pimp, a grief pornographer, a doom traficker. I absolutely despise him.

382232 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #861 of 2018 🔗

Seconded.

382241 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #862 of 2018 🔗

agreed……..I cant remember his face that well because I usually hit the OFF switch within seconds…….

382244 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #863 of 2018 🔗

I haven’t watched any TV news for a very long time, it’s just what I pick up from here and elsewhere.

382245 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #864 of 2018 🔗

unfortunately millions of people, like my aged parents, take the bbc word as gospel

382264 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to nickbowes, 9, #865 of 2018 🔗

And Mrs. M. And my SIL, and their Aunt and Uncle. And my BIL. “The Lonely Sceptic”, like many others on here.

382235 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #866 of 2018 🔗

Northern Ireland. January 2018 was worse than April 2020.

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/publications/monthly-deaths

382265 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #867 of 2018 🔗

Yes – it’s not difficult to find worse mortality in all countries.

382253 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 33, #868 of 2018 🔗

I know I’m preaching to the choir, here, and I struggle to get the words out, because of the screaming in my head, but…

How the hell can any institution, organisation, government department or whatever even think about quoting ‘ Deaths within 28 days of a positive test’ ?

Let’s translate that: ‘ Any death, by any cause at all, where there was coincidentally – in the previous month – a positive result from a test that is inappropriate and is being used incorrectly in order to falsely increase results, and which is given to every single hospital admission as routine ’.

How would they report the number of pregnancies – simply count all females admitted?

Or cancer treatments – add up all admissions where the patient thinks they know someone who has had cancer?

Does a woman killed in a car crash get put down as dying from ‘pregnancy’ because she had a pregnancy test in the last 28 days?

I think you get my point, and I know you already know all this, but it is clear and present obfuscation that any half-sentient person should immediately decry, and it’s being used to fuel the fear that in turn enables the crushing of the people.

And I’m trying to drink less…

382267 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #869 of 2018 🔗

Of course you’re right – but brainwashing doesn’t work via logic and data.

382271 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #870 of 2018 🔗

I know, it’s sad and frustrating, but this is how the mainstream media operates.

382328 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #871 of 2018 🔗

This does my head in the most too! Which in turn makes me more angry and the general masses of the public who fall for the all the Covid garbage because they don’t question it themselves!

382351 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #872 of 2018 🔗

I know Sam, I know.

382358 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #873 of 2018 🔗

The Chatham house video with JVT in attendance explains why.

382255 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 17, #874 of 2018 🔗

What do we all think of the Grand Reopening idea this Saturday? I was quite excited about it and joined the Telegram group. It’s full of well meaning, excited people getting together lists of small business and sending them e-mails about the event.

I hope I’m wrong and I don’t want to be a doomsayer, but I can’t see this really going anywhere. The problem is that it looks like it’s just for one day only (not sure if the Italian businesses are still open or whether that was only for one day – I think the latter).

What small business is going to risk fines or worse for the sake of one day’s trading? Probably limited trading as I think most people won’t know about the event.

What pub / cafe / restaurant is going to stock to meet demand for one day’s trading, as well as face the risks / potential lack of customers as above? Not everyone has the balls of the amazing Sinead Quinn!

Sadly this needs to be led by large businesses and it needs to be a permanent reopening. – not just for one day. Which as we know, they just won’t do. Would welcome any positive views though – I do need cheering up!

382266 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to HelzBelz, 10, #875 of 2018 🔗

You are pretty much right. I’m all for the spirit of it, but punters will be fined, businesses shut down and licenses removed to prevent future trading. It needs, as you say, big firms open permanently and mass support; that would work, but the will is not there in the terrified pleblic. But, from little acorns…

382300 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #876 of 2018 🔗

I think we need the likes of prominent sceptics such as Luke Johnson and the Weatherspoons bloke to lead the charge.

It will be interesting to see who has the balls to defy the government.

382354 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #877 of 2018 🔗

I think this is the wrong time, when respiratory deaths are usually at their highest.
I would have thought the likes of Tim Martin would wait until hospitalisations and deaths drop naturally and take up the fight when emotions aren’t so high.

382256 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #878 of 2018 🔗

Bats have rubbish lives we have discovered. Living in isolation and dying everytime they go near to each otber. Rounded up into giant colonies in caves for attenborough documentaries must be near extinction level events. All the while eating nothing but insect protein.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-22508439

382324 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 4, #879 of 2018 🔗

And to crown all, getting the flu.

382349 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 1, #880 of 2018 🔗

They voluntarily keep themselves ‘ in the dark’.

382451 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Basics, #881 of 2018 🔗

I have a strong memory of Attenborough (in “Life on Earth”?, c1980) standing in a huge cave containing millions of bats, up to his knees in bat shit. I’ve never seen anybody as happy as he was then. If only he had stuck to narrating nice documentaries about flora and fauna.

382259 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 25, #882 of 2018 🔗

Be careful out there.

382348 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #883 of 2018 🔗

Can you add a picture of those of us who don’t wear masks and are very much alive.

382362 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jonny S., 1, #884 of 2018 🔗

No such thing. Taking your mask off is instant death.

382398 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #885 of 2018 🔗

In that case it’s asymptomatic death, because no filthy face knickers have ever touched my face and if I’m dead, I’m experiencing an awfully vivid illusion of being alive.
Maybe we’re all dead and forever tapping phantom iPads with phantom fingers.

382261 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #886 of 2018 🔗

I believe in knowing what the other side thinks, so I watched the last 15 minutes or so of the program on BBC2 about Wuhan and the “how it all began”. They showed lots of people in hospital corridors seeking treatment.
One phrase came to my mind: Hysterical mass illness.

They also showed an interview of a grieving son, whose father died. according to the photos quite elderly. Of course no age given.
There was once scene of a man lying on his back in the street, is he the one who supposedly dropped dead? Well, then he was moved. No-one falls like that. Unless he slipped.

382273 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Silke David, 6, #887 of 2018 🔗

The Chinese murder and torture their own people…why would anyone trust a film coming out of China….they are Communists?Of course the BBC give them credence at the moment which is worrying……..

382277 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, 6, #888 of 2018 🔗

Good post. I didn’t know the propaganda is now in it’s cementing the lie phase with it’s origin story.

That does not imply I have evidence of what happened, or did not, simply if thdy are cementing the narrative you can besure it needs cementing or else it will fall apart

“if your cause can ever be damaged by the truth, your cause is worthless.”-

382330 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 3, #889 of 2018 🔗

When I look at the virtual failure of ‘covid-19’ to spread from the Wuhan area to the rest of China despite two months of no travel restrictions, then I tend to the theory – I first heard mentioned by Jon Rappaport – that what happened in Wuhan was some kind of pollution incident.

This is also more consistent with one or two people ‘falling over in the street’.

382323 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Silke David, 1, #890 of 2018 🔗

Perhaps the effects of a pollution incident in Wuhan.

382268 awildgoose, 10, #891 of 2018 🔗

Indian farmers standing up against tyranny:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chaos-new-delhi-farmers-attack-police

Driving those tractors looks fun!

382269 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 32, #892 of 2018 🔗

Something not quite right here can’t quite put my finger on it.. some sort of dumbing down of the sceptic cause not enough questioning of the government narrative regarding death figures etc,the constant use of the word Boris,on the main headline giving the wrong impression of this loathsome piece of shit… very little coverage of the great reset the real reason behind this shit show.. The real value of this site is to be found in the comments section I find the information and camaraderie here invaluable and it is now the sole reason for my visits..

382276 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #893 of 2018 🔗

agreed Bruce.I think Toby realises there is a fine line?….it would be very easy to cross it…..but yes, I only come here for the comments……..

382392 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #894 of 2018 🔗

Me too. I’ve got acute graph fstigue.
The round-up is useful, however.

382405 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 1, #895 of 2018 🔗

Yes Annie I would say the round up has some merit, but the rest is beginning to loose the plot..

382415 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, 2, #896 of 2018 🔗

I prefer graphs and numbers to repetitive complaint.

382281 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to crimsonpirate, 16, #898 of 2018 🔗

No, no, I said shove your test up YOUR arse!!

382293 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #899 of 2018 🔗

Chicom revenge for the, “Century of Humiliation.”

382294 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #900 of 2018 🔗

Now they’re really taking the mickey

382307 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #901 of 2018 🔗

…but not the Drosten-PCR.

….and only in combination with symptoms.

382309 ▶▶ Annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #902 of 2018 🔗

Time to put nappies back where they belong?
Now watch the queues outside testing centres grow ever longer…

382313 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #903 of 2018 🔗

does it pass the smell test?

382391 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #904 of 2018 🔗

Oh, pooh.

382548 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #905 of 2018 🔗

Anyone remember the Bottom Inspectors from out of off of Viz?

382278 Jo Starlin, #906 of 2018 🔗

Hitchens? Spiked?

382282 Coronabonus, replying to Coronabonus, 24, #907 of 2018 🔗

Retweeted by Ivor Cummins earlier:

I just called Talk Radio
to speak with Mike Graham. The station appears to have a Facebook style factchecker who I had 1st to speak with, who said I cannot discuss Ivermectin as it is not approved. I charged him that the station were guilty of censorship. His reply, “YES”.

382401 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Coronabonus, 3, #908 of 2018 🔗

So sad about Talk Radio. It seems we are losing the PR battle…

382424 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ken Gardner, 3, #909 of 2018 🔗

Yes we are thinking the same. They are really pushing the vaccine on there.

382286 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #910 of 2018 🔗

You could try this site: lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

They don’t always answer, but sometimes do

Or write to Peter Hitchens c/o The Mail on Sunday (his email address is not public)

or Deborah Cohen, whose email address is on her website https://www.drdeborahcohen.com/

If there’s a legal angle then maybe Richard Tice or Francis Hoar who worked on the Dolan case (his email address is easy enough to find through searching his name

382630 ▶▶ John001, replying to Julian, #911 of 2018 🔗

Hoar is on Twitter also.

382288 HelzBelz, 2, #912 of 2018 🔗

Please don’t go, I doubt many of us were offended and you will be greatly missed.

382289 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 32, #913 of 2018 🔗

I lost it a bit last night. Reactivated Facebook and posted along the lines of “Lockdown brutalises disabled children. Fuck you and your lying morality.”

I’ve deleted Zuckerbook entirely now, just wanted to let people know how much I despise them.

382315 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #914 of 2018 🔗

I haven’t been on Fascistbook for ages, would probably get myself arrested if I did

382322 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #915 of 2018 🔗

Know what you mean. I deactivated it months ago but went on one last time to tell the bastards what I think of them.

382413 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #916 of 2018 🔗

I deactivated mine a while back to avoid all the sanctimonious virtue signalling hand wringing posts about ‘all in it together’ shite. However, just recently had a quick look on hubby’s as he drew my attention to some posts on our neighbourhood FB page – seems someone snitched on a neighbour having a visitor (her sister lives alone so in a bubble or something) – the police apologised for the unnecessary visit HOWEVER what lifted my spirit was all 48 of the following comments were slating the snitcher. Result.

382291 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 4, #917 of 2018 🔗

Peter Hitchens. James Delingpole. Possibly Robert Fisk of the Independent. He was about the only reporter who went into Syria after the so-called gas attack,and reported that the doctors there said there was no gas attack.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

Whether it would get into the public domain is another matter.

382314 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to LMS2, 2, #918 of 2018 🔗

Robert Fisk died a few months back.

382470 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to LMS2, 1, #919 of 2018 🔗

Re Syria/OPCW corruption, Peter Hitchens banged away at that in his MoS blog for months on end, even meeting up in Europe with one of the several OPCW whistleblowers to satisfy himself of their integrity. His observations and conclusions were completely ignored by politicians and the MSM and, to this day, papers such as the Guardian still choose to ridicule the indisputable evidence of corruption.

382298 HelzBelz, 8, #920 of 2018 🔗

UK Column News.

382304 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #921 of 2018 🔗

Oh lord, another johnson press conference @ 5pm !

382308 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nickbowes, 14, #922 of 2018 🔗

maybe he’s going to apologise for all the cancer deaths?

then one tomorrow for the suicides?

he could be busy for a few weeks

382341 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), replying to nickbowes, 3, #923 of 2018 🔗

Will be to announce the new border measures I assume.

382421 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to nickbowes, 1, #924 of 2018 🔗

Carry on bullsh×ting.

382483 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nickbowes, 1, #925 of 2018 🔗

Obviously with back against wall now that ex prosecutor Nazir Afzal instructed lawyers to see if there is evidence to prosecute Boris Johnson for misconduct in public office as covid death toll passes 100,000.

Brilliant, the Government did everything in its power to increase death numbers

382305 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 25, #926 of 2018 🔗

today I feel frightened and sad [or anxious and depressed] – most of the time I don’t feel this, because it’s hidden under rage. but sometimes the rage subsides, and right now I feel humanity is so vile and contemptible that perhaps it would actually be better if it were entirely wiped out, and perhaps some other species should be given a chance. perhaps it’s not worth fighting for.

382321 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #927 of 2018 🔗

I realised today I haven’t left the house for a week. I’m going to the M40- services – they are open and normal

382331 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 6, #928 of 2018 🔗

What have we been reduced to?

382373 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #929 of 2018 🔗

yes, its pathetic. M40 services represents the Shangri-La of a Utopian society in comparison to the one we have. I can sit down for a coffee and browse M&S and WHSmith

382386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to steve_w, 5, #930 of 2018 🔗

I didn’t know about motorway services. Probably naïve of me, but I do live in West Dorset….

382574 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ken Gardner, 1, #931 of 2018 🔗

The M40 services at Beaconsfield are the only ones to have a pub. Wetherspoons – oh, hang on a minute…

382492 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to steve_w, 2, #932 of 2018 🔗

Let me share a comparably pathetic scrap. In Scarborough, you can buy clothes in M&S. Spring coats! Unfashionable jeans!! Underwear!!!
It’s because it’s a small shop, so the clothes are right next to the foodhall. In larger M&Ss, clothes are usually on a different floor.

382592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Alethea, 2, #933 of 2018 🔗

In Derby it’s a larger M&S so your last sentence applies. I do wonder about shoes – surely they’re an essential item, but shoe retailers are all closed, and buying shoes online would be a lottery without being able to try them on. Probably less of a problem for female people who often have cupboards full of the things, but as a mere bloke I currently have only one pair which doesn’t let in water, plus my walking boots and wellingtons.

382329 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #934 of 2018 🔗

Most of humanity, or rather zombinity, is not worth fighting for.
But a few are, and you are one of them. So fight on!

382433 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 2, #935 of 2018 🔗

Great word, “zombinity”!

382340 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JaneHarry, 15, #936 of 2018 🔗

Far from all of humanity are vile and contemptible and we need each other.Hang in there, Jane! I feel depressed every day and anxious some days and i just see that as proof that I am a real human being responding completely naturally to extraordinary circumstances. The rage will be back, and with it your fight.

382353 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #937 of 2018 🔗

I feel how you feel Jane, some days tougher than others and you do just feel like giving up. Every day feels like groundhog day with endless statistics, graphs , wanting to punch zealots, e.t.c. and feels like we are going round in circles with the anti-lockdown argument. Feels completely hopeless. Like you are screaming but no one will hear it.

382363 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #938 of 2018 🔗

I’m feeling particularly bad today as well. I feel that we as a race achieved a great deal of progress between say 1800 and 2000, and since then we have been in a decline which has now become a plummet.

382407 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #939 of 2018 🔗

Very good point I have had these thoughts too. Peter Hitchens puts it down to the decline in Christianity. His argument is that new utopian religions have replaced it like climate change, Covid, the NHS etc.

If thats true society is heading for disaster and I’m an agnostic!

382441 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #940 of 2018 🔗

As a Christian, I agree with Peter Hitchens, not surprisingly. I believe we are witnessing the fall of Western civilisation. The new technocratic civilisation is based on state atheism combined with religious syncretism. Those two are quite capable of co-existing happily in a society.

382367 ▶▶ Alyse Glass, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #941 of 2018 🔗

This is my first post – I have been reading the comments for weeks now. It has been a comfort to know that there are like minded people out there. This lockdown is draining me – draining of my will to believe we will ever get the life we used to have back, draining me of my belief in people I once knew who would have questioned at least some of what is going on but the hardest thing to take is the mantra – get the vaccine! When did it cease to be for the elderly and vunerable and become every man and now his dog too!

382680 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Alyse Glass, 2, #942 of 2018 🔗

Welcome! 🙂 Good to have ya.

382380 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #943 of 2018 🔗

Read some Nietzsche, you’ll quickly discover that you don’t despise humanity anyway near as much as he does.

382387 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #944 of 2018 🔗

I am strongly inclined to despise Nietzsche, but it’s difficult because I can’t spell him.

382417 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 3, #945 of 2018 🔗

He was a rather pathetic repressed homosexual, who by all accounts was severely hen-pecked by his mother and sister. By all accounts, he never actually met much humanity, being always a rather sickly fellow. No surprise then, his grim view.

382431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jinks, 3, #946 of 2018 🔗

And of course there was nothing he couldn’t tietzsche about the raising of the wrist, Bruce.

382607 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, #947 of 2018 🔗

In one of PG Wodehouse’s Jeeves stories, the high-minded Florence Craye makes her fiancé Bertie Wooster read a book called Types of Ethical Theory, which he struggles with. Even worse, Jeeves advises him that the word in the servants’ hall is that she will shortly be making him read Nietszche. “You would not enjoy Nietszche, sir. He is fundamentally unsound.”

That’s pretty much all I know about Nietszche!

382388 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #948 of 2018 🔗

Indeed, this is not a new phenomenon.

I have a gem of a book called “Cultural Pessimism” (sadly out of print) which contains a wonderful collection of misanthropic laments from great philosophers throughout the ages predicting the imminent fall of man.

382547 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, #949 of 2018 🔗

Maybe they’ll reprint it with a new title: “Told Ya So”.

382572 ▶▶ Edward, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #950 of 2018 🔗

Strangely enough, I had a dream about motorway services last night. (Bear with me). People have occasionally commented here about whether covid-related bollocks has or has not penetrated into their dreams. Anyway, in this dream I was in a car with three others, and we stopped at motorway services, just for takeaway coffees as we knew that food wasn’t sold and sitting at tables wasn’t allowed. It was quite busy and very few people were wearing masks, which pleased me. The four of us joined the queue and maintained two metres distance between each of us, while realising this was silly as we had been closer together when in the car.

So the covid bollocks has completely penetrated my dreams, but I’m still a sceptic in them.

382311 rockoman, 5, #951 of 2018 🔗

ukcolumn

382318 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 16, #952 of 2018 🔗

There was an update from the petition “Make it a criminal offence for MPs to mislead the public” this morning:

“Once elected to Parliament, all MPs must abide by the seven principles of public life which form the basis of ethical standards expected of holders of public office. These are set out by the Committee on Standards in Public Life and are: selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership . It is a requirement that any holder of public office must be truthful and must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.
Upon election, MPs are also subject to the House of Commons Code of Conduct and the Guide to the Rules relating to the Conduct of Members. Included in the code is a general duty on MPs to “act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents”, alongside a requirement that MPs “act on all occasions in accordance with the public trust placed in them. They should always behave with probity and integrity, including in their use of public resources.”

So there we have it black on white… that they have literally pissed that code of conduct and ethic principles out of the window.

Objectivity? My arse. Accountability? Again my arse. Integrity? Double arse. Selflessness… beautifully demonstrated by ruining people’s livelihoods whilst not missing a single pay check. Triple arse.

What a nauseating response that brings my blood to boiling point.

I’d like to sue to government for the varying degrees of human rights abuse waged at the public in the last 12 months, psychologically, economically and otherwise.

Who is in and how do we go about it? How can the people of Britain sue the shit out of this government for all they have done?

382327 ▶▶ John P, replying to Pebbles, 2, #953 of 2018 🔗

” … the petition “Make it a criminal offence for MPs to mislead the public”

This is very laudable, but I think – given that it is MPs who make the laws – it may be a little naive.

I really don’t think they are going to be too keen to enact a law like this, do you?

382338 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 3, #954 of 2018 🔗

Naive in the extreme I think John. If MPs stopped misleading the public and were honest about their motivations there would be a revolution. People would be horrified to see how government actually works.

382410 ▶▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #955 of 2018 🔗

MPs are entirely representative of the public including all their vices and attributes. We could replace it with an I pad with AI to make all the decisions but you would be even more reliant on big tech. Government works the same as every other organisation, public and private, a mix of ego, greed, self serving vainglorious grandstanding but also hard working, emotional, altruistic and positive.

382426 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to concrete68, 1, #956 of 2018 🔗

Agreed, and very well said. The problem is that many people seem to subscribe to the illusion that this is not the case, and act and think as if conferring the title ‘government’ on a group of standard (or often sub-standard) humans imbues them with superpowers of morality and fairness.

382375 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to John P, 2, #957 of 2018 🔗

My actual point was – how can we sue the government / MPs for pissing said conduct out of the window? The evidence for that is widely available.

And yes the MPs would probably not volunteer to make it a criminal offence and yet having this even read out aloud in a debate in Parliament would be somewhat satisfactory.

382406 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Pebbles, 4, #958 of 2018 🔗

That petition idea is useless in terms of practicality. Can you imagine the tangled web of quasi-judicial argument that would result?

We aren’t going to get redress by well-intentioned but impractical windiness.

382319 JASA, replying to JASA, 47, #959 of 2018 🔗

The PM said yesterday that the government “did everything it could to minimise suffering and minimise loss of life”. Absolute rubbish. It has done pretty much everything to maximise suffering and in the long term loss of life too.

382334 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JASA, 6, #960 of 2018 🔗

Totally agree

382369 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JASA, 8, #961 of 2018 🔗

And now the questions are why did all these people die? The penny hasn’t fully dropped yet but the worm is now turning to even if less people actually died of Covid how did more people die than usual? We all know this reason

I think Kier Starmer has stumbled onto a winner by accident.

382326 Pebbles, 4, #962 of 2018 🔗

Try Vanessa Beeley. Planet Lockdown. UK Column. Peter Hitchens. Off-Guardian.

It depends what the information is and how likely they want to make it disappear.

382333 Norman, replying to Norman, 11, #963 of 2018 🔗

If anyone is looking to apportion blame the finger surely must point at all previous administrations that presided of the run down of NHS capacity from the 300,000 beds of some years back to the 130,000 figure now. If the NHS had its original capacity it is arguable that a lock-down wouldn’t have been needed, as it was introduced to save the NHS from being overwhelmed. In retrospect it seems that the case load was already dropping when lock-down started, so even a 10% additional capacity would have seen us comfortably over the hump without quite so much panic.
Where this government is particularly culpable is in doing nothing to boost capacity during the summer and then subjecting us to frequent knee-jerk restrictions in consequence.

382370 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Norman, 3, #964 of 2018 🔗

Not only have we been let down by our government, but any decent journalism as well. They need to to put it out to the public how the NHS has been hacked away at for years now.

382376 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Norman, 3, #965 of 2018 🔗

Very good point. But the inefficiencies within the NHS need investigation as well, particularly in the areas of management and outsourcing, along with things like the PFI con.

382543 ▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to Norman, 1, #966 of 2018 🔗

Some of that is actually good news. Operations today are on the whole a lot less invasive, and recovery from them quicker. So a lot of things which previously required extended stays are now day cases. Better for the patient and the hospital. If you use this argument you’re just going to get it thrown back at you.

382342 Janette, #967 of 2018 🔗

I would go for Peter Hitchens and Ross Clark. Are you going to enlighten us on what your news is?

382345 coulie45, replying to coulie45, 24, #968 of 2018 🔗

For those of you no longer tuned in to the BBC, manipulative broadcasting continues. Following Clive Imrie’s appalling TV News piece from the Royal London the other night, Jeremy Vine on his BBC2 radio show has been marking the 100,000 UK deaths from Covid (no analysis of the veracity of the number of course) by interviewing grieving relatives of some of the dead. Absolutely disgusting! I do not recall JV marking some annual round number deaths from cancer, heart disease, traffic accidents etc. in the past.

382352 ▶▶ John P, replying to coulie45, 3, #969 of 2018 🔗

This is how the mainstream media operates. Why do you continue to watch it?

382383 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to John P, 2, #970 of 2018 🔗

//or pay for it?

382366 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to coulie45, 2, #971 of 2018 🔗

I have avoided BBC as much as possible for several months now. It affects my mental health, so best staying away. Sometimes hubby has the local BBC news up on his work PC screen and I would maybe have a glance, but that’s it.

382374 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to coulie45, #972 of 2018 🔗

DOUBLE, TREBLE, QUADRUPLE STANDARDS.

382377 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to coulie45, 1, #973 of 2018 🔗

Graciously I don’t have a TV licence so I don’t see the undoubtedly disgusting psychological manipulation they’ll be getting up to. It sounds more like a fictitious drama than factual reporting. I worry about my relatives watching such terror-inducing bilge.

382396 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to coulie45, 8, #974 of 2018 🔗

I have received an e mail from the BBC asking me to give my views on it. Boy will I be giving them both barrels!

382529 ▶▶ Tim Paton, replying to coulie45, #975 of 2018 🔗

and then they have the gall to produce a new bbc advert called “the Futures not Cancelled ” . Can they not see that they have had a huge role in cancelling our future.

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/bbc-news-the-futures-not-cancelled-bbc-creative/1705443?utm_content=buffer9bba4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin&utm_campaign=linkedin+main

382347 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 26, #976 of 2018 🔗

Looking back over LS columns from the last few days, there seems to be a shift in focus/emphasis. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there seems to be a concerted effort to justify the rationality of lockdown scepticism and less of an effort to point to the *sheer irrationality of the arguments (such as they are) of lockdown proponents*.

What is going on here? Why is our esteemed host on the defensive?

382350 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #977 of 2018 🔗

I guess because he/we have been increasingly attacked and vilified

I think we should stay on the front foot, but what do I know?

382371 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #978 of 2018 🔗

Yep, it is bollocks. We should be dishing it out, both barrels.

382438 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #979 of 2018 🔗

I agree, Tom. We should continue to take the fight to them and not consider backing off (accepting some of the lies) while trying to justify our position. We are in the minority but we have the moral high ground. They need to justify the horror and destruction they are inflicting/supporting and this has not yet happened on any level.

I read somewhere yesterday that history teaches us that it is always the one (or a few) who stand/s up for truth who prevail/s in the end even when everyone around them thought they were evil/mad/wrong.

Remember: ‘We know they are lying. They know they are lying, They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.’ Alexander Solschenizyn MW

382408 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnDanny, 9, #980 of 2018 🔗

The barrage from the government and its paid media lackeys has intensified.
You need to be firmly rooted to the truth.Even if their figures were correct it still doesn’t justify locking down the entire population to save a failing government institution.
I’m past caring what this government of proven liars say.

382359 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 31, #981 of 2018 🔗

Lying awake in the small hours last night as all LS’s do living through this totally unnecessary nightmare, I remembered that in between October 1971 and January 1976 (4 1/4 years) in my and my wife’s immediate families, there was 2 weddings, 4 births and 5 deaths.
The ages of the deaths ranged from 49 ( father in law) and 85 (my grandmother).
Apart from the sudden death of my father in law, all the other deaths were hardly unexpected.
I know that our situation was and is replicated throughout the world.
To quote Jonathan Sumption: “There is more to life than the avoidance of death”.
We all are born, live and die.
It’s called life (and death).
To all the sheep and collaborators:”If you want to lock yourselves away and hide from life, do so, leave the rest of us to live our lives and yes!: deaths!

382372 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #982 of 2018 🔗

The beauty of health fascism though is we all have to live their miserable existence collectively with them or it doesn’t ‘work’.

382379 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #983 of 2018 🔗

Count us OUT!!!

382389 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 27, #984 of 2018 🔗

Very much my feelings. People are being denied the right to live their lives. Whatever happened to the idea that ‘life is for living’. Older people are losing their years that they can still enjoy while fit and healthy while younger people are losing their right to enjoy their young lives which dont last for long. Its despicable. Since when did governments have the right to stop people living their lives. It still shocks me every day that the public have accepted that they have a right to do this. Nobody asked me.

382395 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #985 of 2018 🔗

Thank you for your constructive comments, Boris.

382472 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #986 of 2018 🔗

Those of us who are still in a job or have a business, are not allowed to live, but are forced to continue paying taxes.

That’s the difference to death.

382360 Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #987 of 2018 🔗

John Galt’s post regarding news and who to contact about it seems to have disappeared, leaving all the replies to it floating randomly

How odd

382385 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #988 of 2018 🔗

Was it disreputable?

382393 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #989 of 2018 🔗

He simply said he had some potentially interesting/important news that he had contacted the local paper about who said they would look into it, and asked for views as to who else he could contact about it – he said nothing about the nature of the news and nothing else that one could take exception to

382390 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 1, #990 of 2018 🔗

I wonder if this site will close formally, with a statement of recanation and repentance.

382430 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Julian, 1, #991 of 2018 🔗

I read the post and there was no indication of what the information was. I think we all deserve an explanation of what’s going on. Admin?

382439 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 1, #992 of 2018 🔗

Sars Cov-2 is the first virus to affect humans AND computer systems.

382448 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 4, #993 of 2018 🔗

might be an idea to start a comments section for this site on Gab

382485 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 1, #994 of 2018 🔗

Looking that way.

382641 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #995 of 2018 🔗

That’s a relief! Thanks for clearing that up. Some of us are on a hair trigger or moderating excesses, so it’s useful to know when it’s a false alarm.

382368 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 6, #996 of 2018 🔗

“Cats and dogs may need CV19 vaccine ”

Too late. My cat’s already had it. Well, she had a bad cold a couple of months ago. It was very sad. Lots of sneezing, stuffed nose, wheezing and coughing. She was unable to breathe through her nose, and couldn’t sleep properly for a few days because of it, and was snoring louder than MOH.

She’s completely recovered and is fine now. But I’ve not seen a cat with a bad cold before, and I have no idea how she caught it. She’s blind and doesn’t go outside, or mid with other cats. And neither MOH or I have had a cold in the last year.

382378 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to LMS2, 1, #997 of 2018 🔗

I have heard of Cat flu.

382381 ▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 2, #998 of 2018 🔗

So there’s so much left over that cats and dogs can have it?

382384 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to LMS2, 4, #999 of 2018 🔗

Covid could turn out to be lucrative

382558 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1000 of 2018 🔗

Aren’t there something like 20 million cars and dogs in the UK? More billions of income into the future for Big Pharma.

382397 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to LMS2, 21, #1001 of 2018 🔗

The miracle virus with the million dollar marketing campaign that jumps species twice a week and cures everything from cancer to pneumonia, raises your life expectancy by several years, is infectious only during leisure time, and after 10pm in pubs, is ultra deadly, prevented from spreading by any old rag across your face, but you might have it without knowing it!

For. Fuck’s. Sake.

382418 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1002 of 2018 🔗

When you put it like that..

382523 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1003 of 2018 🔗

You forgot to say you are safe if you are sitting down or under four foot tall. It really doesn’t like people who stand up apparently!

382463 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to LMS2, 2, #1004 of 2018 🔗

Vaccine hesitancy must be much higher than is being reported. The government has already paid multiple pharmaceutical companies for millions of doses, and if they are not used up there could be a problem. Nothing that their propaganda can’t handle though, so maybe this is the beginning of the war on domestic pets.

382466 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richard O, #1005 of 2018 🔗

During the H1N1 hysteria, I think it was Germany that had to incinerate tens of millions of doses.

382468 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richard O, #1006 of 2018 🔗

I’ve seen two media articles in the last two days related to a cat getting covid and the need for cats and dogs to be vaccinated against covid.I did comment at the time, that Neil Furgussen had better not be told. He would be calling for a cull of the entire cat and dog population.

382486 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Richy_m_99, #1007 of 2018 🔗

I’d like to think that that might be one of the few things to finally wake the British public from their stupor but I’m not even sure of that anymore. Probably more likely to inform on their neighbours for not taking Fido to get the jab.

382493 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Chicot, 4, #1008 of 2018 🔗

An argument that I had with a very close family member, who was saying that we had to obey the rules even if they made no sense (think: mask wearing, 2m distance, etc.), when I asked if they would obey a rule to destroy dogs and cats (new puppy acquired) there was a momentary hesitation as the truth hit home, then “rules are rules”….. but I knew the revelation had made an impact, even if they denied it.

382579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Alan P, 2, #1009 of 2018 🔗

I’ve got a better one: would they walk around with a lump of dog poo on their head if they were told to, even if it made no sense?

I’m appalled at these non-thinking, order-taking automatons.
As others have said, now we know how we would have behaved in occupied France.

382569 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richy_m_99, #1010 of 2018 🔗

Just like all those 17 million mink.

How totally unnecessary.

They’d incinerate all life on Earth and claim it was to save it.

382562 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 5, #1011 of 2018 🔗

They can leave my pussycat out of it. They’re not touching one hair of her furry little head.

And no, that’s not a photo of a dead cat. She just likes to sleep anywhere.

382400 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 26, #1012 of 2018 🔗

Today the UK is expected to announce mandatory quarantine for arrivals from S America, S. Africa, Portugal etc. Labour said hotel quarantine should be mandatory for all arrivals (yeah right). Yesterday Ireland announced something similar and most oppo parties want it to include all travellers too (zero covid nutcases). Today Leo Varadkar clarified it would be in place for at least a year. He also indicated that Irish abroad should probably forget the idea of coming home next Christmas! He referred to New Zealand’s hotel quarantines as “detention centres”. He also indicated that hospitality is unlikely to be open until “the Easter or summer period” (it will be mostly dead by then).

My feelings on this are:

  • This is the next stage in long term or permanent sets of travel restrictions which will destroy International travel.
  • Expect the list of red zones for quarantine to expand as new mutants are announced.
  • Expect the definition of essential travel to narrow – Varadkar mentioned that travel to a dying relative may not be essential in future.
  • Expect quarantine requirements to expand into the indigenous population – Chinese style?
  • The vaccine saviour is steadily evaporating. Expect widespread vaccination to make little or no difference to any of the restrictions.

So, in summary – there is no light at the end of tunnel – it’s being rapidly bricked up with all of us inside. Just looking around at the various increasing tensions everywhere, surely breaking point cannot be far away?

382473 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1013 of 2018 🔗

Expect widespread vaccination to make little or no difference to any of the restrictions.

I have expected the “vaccine” to make a significant difference to the restrictions since day one. It is the key to implementing the technocratic slave state. This is the sole reason why it is being peddled with such remorseless, relentless propaganda.

382481 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 3, #1014 of 2018 🔗

I understand that, but look at how the language from politicians is changing now.

382489 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1015 of 2018 🔗

They are revealing themselves more and more every day. In all fairness, if you ignore the obvious puff pieces like Johnson’s garbage yesterday, they are being completely honest and transparent about their long term plans.

382710 ▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to godowneasy, #1016 of 2018 🔗

How exactly have all these politicians been “got to”? Because it’s glaringly obvious now that they are following a script which is producing massive misery for the people of their states, and is set to produce even greater misery looking ahead. I can understand that many politicians are psychopaths and narcissists, but almost ALL of them!?

382554 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 1, #1017 of 2018 🔗

It might just be a sure-fire guaranteed way of a few people making £$€billions.

382550 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to godowneasy, #1018 of 2018 🔗

Why is Varadkar even saying anything? I thought he’d lost the last election and was standing down.

382601 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to LMS2, #1019 of 2018 🔗

He is the Tanaiste (Deputy Prime Minister) in the coalition government.

382566 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1020 of 2018 🔗

I agree – it’s another brick in the wall, which will be entirely closed by stealth over the next weeks/months. The sheep can probably forget their summer hols abroad.
If people cannot travel it will reduce their incentive to get the vaxx as the primary reason for many to have the vaxx is to travel (assuming this is a pre-requisite). So it could backfire on their vaxx rollout/uptake.

382687 ▶▶ ekd, replying to godowneasy, #1021 of 2018 🔗

Yes, as we discussed yesterday.

382404 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1022 of 2018 🔗

See Johnson’s devastated face and the mourning of 100,000, and then… the clamouring for even MORE vaccine’s, more vaccinations. People are just sheep.

382476 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1023 of 2018 🔗

My mother’s church magazine has some daft woman with “vaccine envy ” about the parishioners who’ve already had their “vaccine treats”. God help us all.

382544 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1024 of 2018 🔗

Nutjobs everywhere. I bet if you interviewed 100 mask wearers, at least 50 would tell you there aren’t any holes in their masks!

382546 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1025 of 2018 🔗

PS Like the name.

382536 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, #1026 of 2018 🔗

“One shot good, two shots better”

382409 Norman, replying to Norman, 15, #1027 of 2018 🔗

I appeared to have been seen to by the moderators. I was giving an answer to someone about the chances of picking up Covid passing someone in the street and I made the mistake of including my workings. Apparently people can’t cope with a bit of simple maths, so I will have another go because the results are quite reassuring.
We start off with the fact that an infected person breaths out typically one hundred thousand virus particles per breath. Assuming a 2m radius bubble around that person, with a single breath you end up with one virus particle in three hundred and thirty litres of air. Carrying in on for a minute brings it to one in thirty litres.
A person breathes in about half a litre of air so would need to take sixty breaths (5 minutes) to get one virus particle.
An infectious viral load is typically a thousand particles. It should be obvious to most that passing someone in the street or supermarket is at no risk whatsoever.

382425 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Norman, 4, #1028 of 2018 🔗

My calculation is a little different to yours. I make the volume of a 2m radius sphere as about 33,500 litres (not adjust for a person’s height etc). But I take your point that the risks are very small indeed.

382465 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Norman, 3, #1029 of 2018 🔗

I make volume 33.5 cubic metres. At 1000 litres per cubic metres that’s 33500 litres. At 100000/33500 approx 3 particles per litre per exhale. 1.5/ breath leaves you needing approx 666 breaths to reach 1000 particles. Av adult 15 BPM so 666/15 is 44.4 minutes. I think. Vanishingly minute just passing by on the pavement. Sorry bored.

382508 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Norman, 3, #1030 of 2018 🔗

Thanks for the corrections folks – I screwed up my powers of ten and was a factor of a thousand out. It is amazing though that even being so far out, it is still a vanishingly small risk.

382411 PastImperfect, 19, #1031 of 2018 🔗

From Facebook

382422 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1032 of 2018 🔗

Fake news of the year awards by James Corbett—-don’t miss them!

Here’s a few category winners:

Lockdown Hypocrite of the Year Award goes to Neil Ferguson for breaking the very lockdown orders he himself helped bring about
Fakes Science Story of the Year goes to the BBC for Oxford Covid vaccine ‘safe and effective’ study shows
Worst Acting by a Politician or Health Official goes to Matt Hancock crying over William Shakespeare

https://www.corbettreport.com/fakenews4/

382496 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1033 of 2018 🔗

Brilliant

382427 Charlie Blue, 6, #1034 of 2018 🔗

Bozo has stated that the plan for moving out of lockdown will be published w/b 22nd February. Confirmed that schools will not be going back then but potentially from 8th March. Everything contingent on the usual. Nothing new, nothing hopeful, as far as I can tell.

382428 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #1035 of 2018 🔗

Soo, another press conference this afternoon. What Boris likely to announce?
a) More restrictions
b) Lifting of all restrictions
c) Announcing his resignation
d) To commit seppuku

382434 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #1036 of 2018 🔗

Pleeeeeeeeeeease be d.

382719 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1037 of 2018 🔗

Keep level – there are plenty to take his place.

382436 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1038 of 2018 🔗

let it be d.

382443 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1039 of 2018 🔗

a combination of b,c and d please?…that would be entertaining!!!

382542 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1040 of 2018 🔗

not another flippin conference – didn’t he stick his head above the parapet yesterday? (i don’t watch them but read here the crap coming from de piffle’s gob)
Really i don’t think regular press conferences are good PR but I guess they just want to ramp up the fear and keep us minions in our prisons!

382577 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Nick Rose, #1041 of 2018 🔗

With d) I think you need someone to finish the job off, any takers?

382616 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1042 of 2018 🔗

Another 100000 died since yesterday?
Mandatory rubber pants for everybody inside and outside the home, only to be emptied in special new facilities being rolled out all over the country?
(Due to a new study by Imperial college showing botty products as being the main driver of covids).

Mandatory zorb-balls if you go shopping?

Sleeping in the garden under a plastic bag even if you are asymptomatic so as to save the NHS?

Driving with your head out your car window?(FN on of course)
A ban on the sale of kebabs?

Hamburgers must be served without a bun?

Dog walking only permissible between the hours of 3:00 and 4:00 am?

Mandatory icams in bathrooms to ensure people face the wall when showering and put a large plastic sack over themselves when they go for a poo poo?

Wow it’s quite exciting really seeing what these boffins have thought up for us to do next

382432 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 27, #1043 of 2018 🔗

If you’re going to do an interview in front of your bookcase you do need to be careful what you leave on it.

382452 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Biggles, 5, #1044 of 2018 🔗

It took me a little while to spot it!

382456 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biggles, 10, #1045 of 2018 🔗

She probably quite lonely. Good for her.

382457 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Biggles, 5, #1046 of 2018 🔗

Looks deliberate

382458 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Biggles, 3, #1047 of 2018 🔗

Well, you have got to find something to hold on to to keep you sane in lock-down.

382475 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Biggles, 6, #1048 of 2018 🔗

I bet she loves the BBC.

382522 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1049 of 2018 🔗

hee hee hee!

382504 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Biggles, 2, #1050 of 2018 🔗

apologies but I really cant see what it is you are referring to?…help me out…….

382586 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1051 of 2018 🔗

Middle of top shelf.

382515 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Biggles, 1, #1052 of 2018 🔗

That is not real!

382528 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jb12, 11, #1053 of 2018 🔗

Apparently it is! But more cock-up than conspiracy theory I think.

382620 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biggles, 1, #1054 of 2018 🔗

AAAAAA that gave me a BUZZ

382689 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Biggles, 1, #1055 of 2018 🔗

Would you believe it, my cursor was position right underneath, so I saw it immediately!

383338 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Biggles, #1056 of 2018 🔗

OMG, that’s hilarious, poor woman

382450 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1058 of 2018 🔗

I’m hearing Gina Miller sent her merkin with an alarm clock and some wires attached.

382440 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1059 of 2018 🔗

Ping, Gates, Schwab and company are all artificially intelligent.

382469 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1060 of 2018 🔗

Covid 19 has not yet been isolated or purified. Therefore, it does not exist. Hoax. Charade. Lie.

382447 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 44, #1061 of 2018 🔗

All the “Drop the Dead Donkey” hospital porn makes me think of when my Father in law died nearly 20 years ago. He was in a ward of about six men, all of whom were on the way out. He was only 62, respiratory illness, ended up with about six different things on his death certificate. Basically smoking 40 king size a day did for him.

The last time I saw him we managed to sneak him out of the ward and into the pub across the road. God he was so happy. Remember it like it was yesterday, can even remember the football match that was on. The nurse went ballistic when we got back, all slightly the worse for wear, but so what? He dozed off in the bed with a smile on his face. I hoped, truly, that he would pass away at that moment. His race was run. That’s how it is. He lingered another couple of weeks, if he’d gone then I would have been happy. What would Clive Myrie make of it?

383330 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Starlin, #1062 of 2018 🔗

this is what people who are not deranged do: they live their life to the full up to the moment of their dying breath. they accept the inevitability of death, but they do not let it rob them of one moment of their actual life

382460 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1063 of 2018 🔗

So you need a mask to sit in Parliament and take it off when you stand up, the opposite in restaurants, covid rules

382498 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1064 of 2018 🔗

what about Parliamentary restaurants?…..

382509 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1065 of 2018 🔗

Brilliant!

Similarly with news camera teams when covering major stories. Clearly their rules require them, when covering major news stories, to get as close together as possible and breathe on each other while not wearing masks.

382464 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 25, #1066 of 2018 🔗

Trying to explain to a lockdown zealot about PCR testing?

Ask them to imagine the chaos at airports if all the metal detectors were calibrated to such a high sensitivity that it could detect the metal in the fillings in your teeth or the zip slider in your trousers, and that you were treated as a security risk and prevented from flying any time you hit one of, even if they find no metal on you by a body scan.

That’s what they have been doing with the PCR tests after all.

382478 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #1067 of 2018 🔗

I can’t get the PCR point through to people. It doesn’t compute and I have no idea why not.

382514 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #1068 of 2018 🔗

Because there are a bunch of dumb motherfuckers around. It is as simple as that.

382534 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, 10, #1069 of 2018 🔗

The thing I don’t get is the lack of interest. If someone was to lock me down for 10 months and someone told me it might be unnecessary I’d at least accommodate the idea. Nope, blinkers on positive test is C19.

382650 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1070 of 2018 🔗

They are having their wages paid for them, so what do they care?

382518 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1071 of 2018 🔗

It doesn’t matter. It just needs it’s days in court and they’ll have to admit it’s been a tool of oppression, whether the zealots understand it or not. It’s a matter of scientific fact, their ability to bury their head in sand is strong, but they will be told how to respond by the gatekeepers to their minds.

382535 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1072 of 2018 🔗

If they are trying to prosecute Johnson over the high number of deaths he may need to admit the over inflated positives of the PCR test to declare the deaths were not that high after all – check mate.

382614 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hattie, #1073 of 2018 🔗

I kind of think that is how this ends. Like some kind of bombshell “we never knew” moment so everyone can just relax. “We could only go by the best science etc”

382560 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, #1074 of 2018 🔗
382467 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 23, #1075 of 2018 🔗

Says it all about a lot of people!

382491 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1076 of 2018 🔗

Covid 1984.

382474 Awkward Git, 7, #1077 of 2018 🔗

Got sent this video – the wonderful NHS heroes in action:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCili8jQUwr3FUL-l4?e=zdIOz3

From what I understand they were claiming the guy in the bed was unconscious and dying so they stopped all his medications.

382480 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #1078 of 2018 🔗

Keeping buggering on, as is this awkward bugger (he clearly can’t read!):

382524 ▶▶ Liam, replying to kh1485, 4, #1079 of 2018 🔗

Good boy.

382530 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kh1485, 5, #1080 of 2018 🔗

Wtf is essential seating?! 🤣

382537 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #1081 of 2018 🔗

It’s something our cretinous council has just come up with. Can’t have people enjoying a coffee on a bench!

382618 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 2, #1082 of 2018 🔗

Asked this the other day, but you know…. So, if three people sit together on the bench doing nothing, that’s ok, but if one person eats something, everybody will die, is that it?

382907 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1083 of 2018 🔗

I think Sam you have just about summed up the gist of the EHO’s argument!

382532 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 2, #1084 of 2018 🔗

For God’s sake don’t give him a choc drop!

382552 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 8, #1085 of 2018 🔗

Another LS, Labrador Sceptic

382571 ▶▶ Suey, replying to kh1485, 2, #1086 of 2018 🔗

What about diabetics? Could they sit and eat something if they needed to urgently manage their blood sugar?

382930 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Suey, 1, #1087 of 2018 🔗

As covid has cured diabetes, unfortunately they would be outside their home without a reasonable excuse. For their comfort and safety, of course.

383315 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Suey, #1088 of 2018 🔗

no, as deaths other than from covid don’t matter. of course, if they then died from hypoglycaemia, that would go down as another covid statistic (so all the more reason to encourage the death)

382582 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 5, #1089 of 2018 🔗

Whatever you do, don’t give it a bowl of water or you will be fined for serving a customer.

382597 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1090 of 2018 🔗

You joke! Two of our dog bowls have gone missing -they’re probably swabbing them as we speak!

382679 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #1091 of 2018 🔗

Our BID handed some out 2 years ago. Actually, haven’t seen any around now.

382677 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 1, #1092 of 2018 🔗

It says essential seating. It’s essential to him.

382482 Colin Lapsteel, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 89, #1093 of 2018 🔗

Hello fellow sceptics
I finally after months of reading the comments decided to come on here and say a few words of thanks for keeping my spirits high.
From a personal note I’ve found the last year extremely difficult, especially with my daughter living in Cornwall and giving birth (her, not me) to my Grandson in July last year.
I’ve fought the fight where I can and have broken the rules whenever I’ve needed to, including a 250 mile drive to Cornwall that included a police visit just after I left, some disgraceful people about.
I’ve worked constantly until last Thursday when I had to have a day in bed feeling rough, one work required pcr test later and I’ve been confined to the house since.
I had the flu in 2018, this is nowhere near as bad.
I suppose I may be different from a lot of you guys in as much as I know loads of people who’ve “had it” and a few who’ve died (my uncle in fact died yesterday) but in all cases it has not been the absolute cause of death.
The reason I post today after all this time is because today I feel hopeless, completely beaten. I can’t ever see this madness ending and I miss the old life we had, I have regrets for not doing things, even though I’m still relatively young.
Today the future seems particularly dark today, even having the “linked household” with my daughter seems to be something that could be snatched away whenever these dictators choose.
I won’t post often, this is just a thank you and a plea to continue, you have more support than you think.
fight on.

382497 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 13, #1094 of 2018 🔗

Welcome Colin and best wishes. Condolences on the passing of your uncle.

382500 ▶▶▶ Colin Lapsteel, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #1095 of 2018 🔗

Cheers Jo
He was a man who had lived a long and amazing life and now had a myriad of health issues.
I’m not sure of the details of final hours but will find out.

382505 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 3, #1096 of 2018 🔗

All very demoralising.

382615 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 7, #1097 of 2018 🔗

Hello Colin, welcome to the sane House, so good to hear from new people. Sorry to hear about your uncle but wonderful news about your grandson.

It’s a very hard world at the moment and all of us who feel the same need to try and carry on fighting for what we believe in.

We will overcome and end up with a better world for everyone.

382623 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 8, #1098 of 2018 🔗

Welcome aboard. Sorry about your bad news. Posting can be pretty therapeutic, nobody here will mind if you just want to unload. I know it helps me.

382684 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 2, #1099 of 2018 🔗

Welcome Colin and condolences on the loss of your uncle. Keep breaking the rules whenever you can and don’t let them keep you from your daughter and grandson. Stay strong!

383271 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 1, #1100 of 2018 🔗

Hello Colin
Thank you for your post. We have all felt those dark moments that reflect these unprecedented times but please take strength that your post will have lifted spirits (your new grandson, your lockdown breaking trips to Cornwall, your ‘less severe than normal flu’ recovery) just as hopefully other posters will lift your spirits in low times. A

383321 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Colin Lapsteel, 1, #1101 of 2018 🔗

Keep your spirits up, Colin.
We are survivors on this site.We can’t be brainwashed and we can’t be beaten.
And boy, we have a turn for invective.

382484 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #1102 of 2018 🔗

Throat and nasal swabs are not as effective as….anal swabs. Is someone having a laugh? How long before SAGE tell us this is the route to go down (or up? 🙂 )?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9192251/And-thought-nose-swabs-bad-China-begins-using-anal-swabs-test-Covid-Beijing.html#comments

382488 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Dodderydude, 15, #1103 of 2018 🔗

I always said that the PCR test was as much use as shoving a pipe cleaner up your backside. Perhaps someone’s been reading this site!

382499 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #1104 of 2018 🔗

Good – let’s see how many of the sheep are up for this. Or is it “down”?

382506 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1105 of 2018 🔗

So can a sudden escape of gas from this area spread the virus? Finally a market for these;

https://www.myshreddies.com/flatulence/mens

https://www.myshreddies.com/flatulence/ladies

After the look him in the eye campaign this could get interesting 🙂

382580 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Paulus, 3, #1106 of 2018 🔗

I did suggest many months ago to my lockdown supporting parents that they should wear 2 pairs of underwear to stop the spread of COVID. They weren’t impressed and told me to stop making things up.

382668 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1107 of 2018 🔗

Back in the summer, when cafes were open again, I always wondered why the staff where disinfecting the chair seat.
Well, they knew already then!

382669 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1108 of 2018 🔗

Dash it all. I’ll have to get pants for the bulldog. FFP3 should do it.

382517 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #1109 of 2018 🔗

China never stops trolling us.

382755 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #1110 of 2018 🔗

Why stop?

It works every time!

382527 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #1111 of 2018 🔗

Sounds daft – but I remember the CEBM scientists discussing spread through shared bathroom facilities, and the viral laden mist from toilet flushing – maybe that’s what the hand hygiene is all about – avoid shared toilet facilities, hospitals, care homes etc.

We should treat farts as being as dangerous as coughing and sneezing, and we should all have to use medical mask material quality underwear when we go shopping….

Fixed penalty fines for breaking wind in a public place

382685 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, #1113 of 2018 🔗

feloniously flatulent

382589 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1114 of 2018 🔗

It will be classed as an assault , like coughing on somebody deliberately. Insane.
I think you are thinking about faecal plumes ..

382642 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1115 of 2018 🔗

yes, and my faecal plumes probably are an assault

382644 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1116 of 2018 🔗

There is a strong body of opinion overseas that the primary transfer route is Oro-foecal, (same as Norovirus and Polio) which fits with infection rates in hospitals and old folks homes.
Obviously as it doesn’t fit with the conventional narrative it is attacked.
https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747

382631 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1117 of 2018 🔗
382490 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1118 of 2018 🔗

Anyone else get the feeling all this talk by the bumbling buffoon about “I take full responsibility” is laying the groundwork for him falling on his sword before the shit hits the fan and he’s thrown under the bus?

382494 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1119 of 2018 🔗

No…I dont…..

Johnson is in for the long run……his Green Utopian revolution……

382617 ▶▶ iane, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1120 of 2018 🔗

No, not really nowadays. Of course this used to mean ‘I am about to resign’; now, it simply means ‘nothing to see here, move on’!

382495 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #1121 of 2018 🔗

Mrs Awkward came out with me yesterday. In Telford passed a big covid testing station and Mrs Awkward was shocked by how busy it was so she had me stop so she could take a photo for you all.

It also looks like the Market Drayton test centre is shutting down, all the direction signs being turned around and the entry sign seems to be gone.

382501 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1122 of 2018 🔗

As about as busy as the ones in Sunderland!

382503 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1123 of 2018 🔗

Just driven past the one in Carmarthen (twice) – like a ghost town (as always). I don’t know who they’re testing, but it’s not Joe Public!

382538 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to StevieH, 6, #1124 of 2018 🔗

They can just make the figures up and we wouldn’t know any different. We don’t exactly have any Journalists that would find out do we?

382510 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1125 of 2018 🔗

Maybe someone’s had forewarning of the eurosurveylance response to the demands to retract the drosten PCR paper – time to shut up shop

382520 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1126 of 2018 🔗

Just been to a major hospital that was in the MSM news last night with ambulances lined up outside the A+E, bedlam etc.

All perfectly normal, 3 ambulances parked up, no treatment ongoing in them, no panic, no bedlam, no patients waiting, no-one dropping dead.

382603 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1127 of 2018 🔗

Maybe the the news is spreading that they are using rectal swabs.

382557 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1129 of 2018 🔗

All of these pharma sites being bombed around the world within the last few months…..

I’m sure it’s nothing.

382576 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1130 of 2018 🔗

It will allow the State to claim that there has been a delay in production of vaccines, hence the need to maintain lockdowns.

382711 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1131 of 2018 🔗

It also facilitates the claim:

question the vaccine = terrorist

382512 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 17, #1132 of 2018 🔗

This is priceless. The West Kent Walking Group are having a Zoom meeting on January 28th instead of a walk “due to the suspension of walks, due to the current lockdown.”

382516 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PatrickF, 11, #1133 of 2018 🔗

Kin ell. I’m still walking and sod the stupid “rules”.

382519 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1134 of 2018 🔗

cant they walk in couples from different households and pretend they dont know each other?

382610 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1135 of 2018 🔗

I do an activity alongside many others doing the same activity – in truth I don’t know most of them, but to an outsider it looks like a group. We’ve never been bothered by police

383133 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1136 of 2018 🔗

Do they all own treadmills?

382513 Nick Rose, 9, #1137 of 2018 🔗

Summat weird going on with the site today. 77th active? Tapeworm bothering the moderator?

382525 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 2, #1138 of 2018 🔗

I’m due to take on some Branch Covidians over the ‘100000’ deaths propaganda. Where’s the best place to find the all cause numbers since 2000. Population and age adjusted would be nice. Also is there a number for Covid ‘deaths’ in 2020?

382551 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to eastender53, #1140 of 2018 🔗

This gives raw numbers and the percentage of the population dying in any given year.

382556 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, #1141 of 2018 🔗

Sorry unreadable in that format.

382636 ▶▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Jo Starlin, #1142 of 2018 🔗

It’s too wee.

382549 JohnDanny, 5, #1144 of 2018 🔗

Nothing sinister about this at all:

https://youtu.be/TDOaltAZrHc

382555 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 15, #1145 of 2018 🔗

Wife just finished an online events for the virtual Davos Agenda week 2021. Real stomach churning stuff apparently. It looks like people on the forum were quite happy that small island states will have all their debt rescinded in exchange for property rights and zero carbon. Now where have we read that before!!! No NO NO just a conspiracy theory.

382564 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1146 of 2018 🔗

They’ll own nothing and be yippy skippy over the fucking moon about it? Yes, that does seem familiar.

382611 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1147 of 2018 🔗

“will have all their debt rescinded in exchange for property rights” communist utopia – and we know how that ends every time – democide on a huge scale.

382717 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to this is my username, 1, #1148 of 2018 🔗

Yes, somebody’s idea, not anybody’s policy. Great Reset? Yawn.

382559 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1149 of 2018 🔗

so there you have it. Earliest schools open is 8 March – by that time most children will have serious mental health problems and parents will barely cope. Disadvantaged kids will be so far behind that they will be disadvantaged forever. Dishing out old laptops won’t help them at all.

OPEN THE SCHOOLS NOW

382573 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 17, #1150 of 2018 🔗

Yeah, but he’s got a ‘road map’.

Fat bastard couldn’t find his own arse with a map, a torch and an extra arm!

382667 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1151 of 2018 🔗

LOL! I almost spit my coffee out (it’s still morning here). Besides my dog, you guys are the only others who make me laugh each and every day.

382969 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, #1152 of 2018 🔗

He likes three-word slogans. Maybe we could try to help him via What3Words – e.g. “pants.skid.mark”. “pants.priapic.part”…. Lots of possibilities to be creative. 🙂

(hands.face.space is a spot in the sea off North Wales, for anyone sad enough to be interested.)

382581 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Victoria, 5, #1153 of 2018 🔗

I get seething with rage just looking at him.

382606 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Victoria, 1, #1154 of 2018 🔗

Can the schools please break ranks with this nonsense and just tell them to fuck off and open their doors

im guessing the private schools are in a better place to do this, and maybe the academies (possibly Toby would know) as they aren’t beholden to the LEAs and unions.

How would it be possible to enforce their closure? Arrest all the head teachers?

Im not sure it’s even legally enforceable anyway is it?

382643 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 3, #1155 of 2018 🔗

It is guidance. In the Dolan judicial review, the government’s defence against the claim that it had violated the right to education by closing schools was that it had not closed the schools, it had merely offered advice.

382671 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1156 of 2018 🔗

So true.

Law-or-Fiction had this on threader on 25/1/21

As a reminder, there is no law stopping schools opening. There is no health and safety law stopping them opening.

It is a policy decision by Heads and local authorities. By contrast, Education Act 1996 s13 provides a positive duty to provide efficient education. #ReopenSchools

And the schools could, of course, refuse wages to teachers who refuse to show up to teach. No work, no pay, no furlough bribes.

 About time more teachers and heads spoke out

382799 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to The Rule of Pricks, #1157 of 2018 🔗

academies … aren’t beholden to the LEAs and unions.

Nor are other schools. Academies are, however, beholden to the money-grubbers and the elevation of a high proportion of incompetent money-grubbing wankers (and outright fraudsters) with sharp suits and pointy shoes who have slimed into positions of authority.

382561 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1158 of 2018 🔗

Beeb: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55828952

Covid-19: England’s schools will not reopen before March

Schools in England will not be able to open after the half-term break next month but could begin to return from 8 March, the prime minister has said.

Boris Johnson said a final decision would depend on meeting vaccination targets and schools would get two weeks’ notice.

He acknowledged the delay would be “frustrating” for pupils, teachers and parents.

There was no enough data yet to decide when to end the lockdown, he added.

“Could begin to…” “Not enough data yet…”

Edit: you just beat me to it, Victoria. 🙂

382593 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1159 of 2018 🔗

‘Frustrating ‘ …. understatement of the year, being stuck in a traffic jam is frustrating, he doesn’t have the remotest idea of the real world. I dont think I have ever felt such contempt in my life for a group of people Haddock, Johnson, VT , ET (Whitty) at al.

382663 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hattie, 4, #1160 of 2018 🔗

Exactly. It’s not frustrating it’s child abuse.

382595 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1161 of 2018 🔗

Remember it’s only 3 weeks to flatten the curve. (and after nearly 11 months we are no further forward).

382605 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1162 of 2018 🔗

There may be a token opening before end of academic year, nothing more

Universities have never reopened and will remain closed for years

There’s never enough data to justify opening things, only to close things

382568 Fingerache Philip, 13, #1163 of 2018 🔗

Parallel universe?
When you go out and about and you speak to people of all ages, they seem to fall into 2 camps.
The ones like us who more or less go about our lives as normal (well, as normal as you can make it under the circumstances), I myself drove 57 miles today, then there are the “others” who actually believe that the vast majority of the population are locking themselves away and only going out once a day for exercise and essential shopping.They CAN certainly fool SOME of the PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME!!

382570 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1164 of 2018 🔗

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/18/success/fake-commute-meaning-benefits-pandemic-wellness/index.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

Its OK – just pretend that you are commuting to work – that will make everything good. I also notice that they use a term I have never seen previously – the “Before Times”.

382587 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1165 of 2018 🔗

The Before Times? Wow. BC. Before Covid.

382600 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 4, #1166 of 2018 🔗

Before Covid

Now commonly seen at the bottom of TV adverts: “Filmed ‘before Covid'”.

382665 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1167 of 2018 🔗

That drives me insane! Like they’re apologizing for showing normal people doing normal things. It might be “dangerous” for us plebes to see what life used to be like as we might actually want that back or forget to wear our masks. But the newer ads are even worse when they mask people up outside…or at all really. And my tax dollars at work with the government propaganda commercials — I usually have a shoutfest every time I watch TV now.

382700 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1168 of 2018 🔗
382609 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1169 of 2018 🔗

I think “The Before Times” is a phrase that has been used in dystopian fiction for years.

382626 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1170 of 2018 🔗

Yep – in fiction. The lines between fiction and reality are increasingly blurred.

382575 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1171 of 2018 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9192623/Pubs-restaurants-NOT-Covid-hotspots-contact-tracing-directors-say.html#comments

Not one blind bit of sense in this whole article. Hospitality not a major transmission but still require contact tracing well into 2030s.

Conveniently, that 2030 number pops up again.

382596 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1172 of 2018 🔗

Not one blind bit of sense in this whole article.

Astonishing the amount of contradictions one can print in one article.

There doesn’t appear to be a single ‘expert’ talking to the Government who appears to be sane.

382608 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1173 of 2018 🔗

They side lined all the sane ones left with the technocratic dead wood. Great!

382723 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1174 of 2018 🔗

This is what I find so disconcerting. We are told not to believe the conspiracy theorists and yet so far it’s the conspiracy theorists who have been proved right time and time again. It wasn’t over in a few weeks, mandatory masking was introduced, scary mutant strains have been used to justifiy continued lockdowns, and digital currency, digital passports and coercive vaccination are all under active consideration, while the highly influential, WEF is working for radical economic change which will see the mass of people become new serfs who don’t own anything.

382584 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1175 of 2018 🔗

https://youtu.be/XBu6xI1iUM0

Jordan Peterson, three years ago, giving a very perceptive lecture on how the prevelance of infectious diseases correlates with the level of authoritarianism in a society.

https://youtu.be/XBu6xI1iUM0

382701 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1176 of 2018 🔗

I’m hoping Jordan Peterson will start weighing in on things soon – he recently started becoming active again after more than a year away. I haven’t had the time to watch all of the latest podcasts. But JP is the kinda influential person this movement needs.

383233 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Vir Cotto, #1177 of 2018 🔗

I don’t think poor Jordan Peterson is ever coming back. I think he had all the stuffing knocked out of him in the last 2 years, when he almost died. I see him as a kind of ‘John the Baptist’ figure, the big prophet just before the storm broke

382585 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #1178 of 2018 🔗

Your duty is to the state

382662 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1179 of 2018 🔗

Greta has exactly the same eyes as Hermann Georring

382591 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1180 of 2018 🔗

Article in the DM about Maskitis (rashes you get from wear a mask), there are loads of ads for face cream products.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9119693/Are-suffering-maskitis-Celebrity-skincare-expert-painful-rash-caused-face-masks.html

383229 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Smelly Melly, #1181 of 2018 🔗

let their faces rot, damn them

382594 DanClarke, 5, #1182 of 2018 🔗

From the ashes of covid will bring their sustainable world, to stop the plebs trashing their planet. I can almost hear them talking about the greater good.

382598 JHUNTZ, 16, #1183 of 2018 🔗

This exit from lockdown will have more tiers than a wedding cake. Freedom has to be taken, he will not give it back to us.

I am now at the stage where, when it becomes clear to the people of the UK that they will never be getting their freedom or lives back, that I will literally go around laughing at people all day every day, with a T-Shirt that says in big bold letters ‘We Told You So’. Can’t wait!

Pick of the day DM comments.

382599 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1184 of 2018 🔗

It has been noticed by at least one twitter user that the tweet rate of Covid Fearmonger in Chief for Scotland – Krankie – has only managed a single tweet a day for the last four days. This in times of public health emergency – there’s a plague on – is unusual.

Craig Murray’s blog may shed a little light on why the silence. He has had a very busy morning.

Another possible reason for the low tweet rate may be hangover. It was mentioned on UKC today that boris was perhaps hungover in his latests address to the nation. Not a mere passing comment, but an insightful posed possibility by one excellent contributor. Perhaps Krankie is on more drink than is good for the nation.

Seek out the sources yourself very easy to locate.

382602 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 4, #1185 of 2018 🔗

Delete the ‘over’ in both cases and we’ll all be happy.

382761 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1186 of 2018 🔗

The is about the collapse by rot from within of a devolved government. Not what you need when a national psy-op is ongoing. They have problems. Big government sized problems.

382612 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1187 of 2018 🔗

All the bullshit in the papers and the TV news media today about how it’s plain that this has had a big effect on Johnson. “Look at him with his head hung low. He’s clearly feeling the pain at all these deaths.”

BULLSHIT! He’s back in the HOC today spouting the same shite as every other day.

Tonight he’s due to give another presser where he’ll tell us all of longer lockdown, longer closed schools, etc

Not reading any more of this today. I’m taking the rest of the day off.

382625 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1188 of 2018 🔗

They are treading in dangerous territory here. It has been an onslaught of miserable news and taken all hope from people. It’s almost as if they want civil unrest.

382639 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1189 of 2018 🔗

British people are not good at that. We’re quiet dissenters if we dissent at all. I know people I thought were sensible who are following all the rules. They even called their local councillor when I said i could still work for them (as a gardener) becuse they wanted to check. I hope other people are more willing to step up and say no.

382648 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to this is my username, 3, #1190 of 2018 🔗

I think we more live up to the Perfidious Albion reputation.

We ignore what we can, follow half-heartedly what we have to be seen to be doing and when we finally get fed up we just say “screw you” and do what we want to.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/perfidious

382697 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to this is my username, 2, #1191 of 2018 🔗

Yes, but there is a limit. And people are getting very close to it.

382740 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHUNTZ, #1192 of 2018 🔗

They do.

Civil unrest is their cover for getting rid of problem elements and rolling out a more oppressive police state.

382633 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1193 of 2018 🔗

Just laugh at them, I find it works wonders.
Once you learn how to laugh at this shit your day improves tremendously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

382654 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1194 of 2018 🔗

The lockdon is another 3 more weeks. How many have we had since March? It’ll be all Cheapo Churchill talk of battling on and sunlit uplands. Wake me up when it’s over.

383226 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ceriain, #1195 of 2018 🔗

I’ve tried to find some pity for him in my heart….nope. not a drop.

382613 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 11, #1196 of 2018 🔗

100,000 deaths? Proof, please.

Biden is a dangerous imbecile. We’re in big trouble. No wonder the CCP is overjoyed.

382734 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1197 of 2018 🔗

CCP will invade Taiwan within 12 months.

They just need Biden to get the US military tied up in the Middle East meat grinder again, then it’s curtains for Formosa.

382619 Vir Cotto, replying to Vir Cotto, 20, #1198 of 2018 🔗

Park update. The warning stripe tape is back on the exercise equipment. Someone had ripped it off, now it’s back even more than before. Thinking of taking my scissors to it, this tape vandalism has to stop!

Outdoor mask zombies increasing in number. People holding their nose upon approach. Do I smell that much?

Path dodgers walking off into the mud at ever increasing frequency as my toxic cloud approaches.

Send help! Losing sanity.

382629 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Vir Cotto, 3, #1199 of 2018 🔗

Yep mother took her toddler and pram into mud this morning to avoid me.

382649 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #1200 of 2018 🔗

Is there such a thing as cigarettes with green smoke? You’d be able to blow the ectoplasm on them.

382767 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #1201 of 2018 🔗

When a maskoid approaches, thank him loudly for going to such lengths to protect you, remind him that face knickers don’t protect the wearer, and assure him that he needn’t bother on your account.

382621 Colin, replying to Colin, 6, #1202 of 2018 🔗

I have noticed this too. I think TY, who has been aggressively singled out in the media as a Covid denialist, is trying to distance the site from the actual Covid deniers and 5G conspiracists and to regain the middle ground by quoting the government narrative and then discreetly challenging it (e.g., Allison Pearson article).
But quotes should be in quotation marks. It should read:

“UK Hits 100,000 deaths” says government. We take a critical look at this statement below.

Or something like that.

383160 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Colin, 1, #1203 of 2018 🔗

That would have been more reassuring. I too find less “meat” ATL nowadays.

382622 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #1204 of 2018 🔗

Is this a significant moment, Johnson stating that “Perpetual lockdowns are no answer”?

The one thing missing has been a permanent exit strategy and cost-benefit analysis.

Slowly but surely, this is being focused on more.

I believe the strategy will be to seal the borders, eradicate the virus in the UK NZ-style and normalise internally.

Then wait and see over the next 2-3 years as the pharma firms play wack-a-mole with the new variants.

Forget international travel in the meantime but being allowed out would be nice…

382628 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #1205 of 2018 🔗

As my family is in Germany I looked at flights yesterday. Only to Frankfurt from Heathrow. Ryanair has nothing scheduled until 28th March.
Rubber dingy across the channel, then.

382674 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Silke David, #1206 of 2018 🔗

don’t expect the French navy to give you a tow the last km

382632 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #1207 of 2018 🔗

Johnson lies and talks shit and changes his mind with the wind, so I don’t think much he says should be taken at all seriously, unless he’s talking about having more restrictions in which case they will probably happen

382645 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 8, #1208 of 2018 🔗

I wouldn’t believe him if he said the sun rises in the East. I’d go out and check.

382765 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1209 of 2018 🔗

I don’t think that either you or I – with very different political views – have ever taken Johnson seriously – except in the way you take an escapee from Broadmoor seriously.

382638 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jhfreedom, 9, #1210 of 2018 🔗

They can remove lockdowns all they want the restrictions are still shite. I don’t see an exit plan any time soon.

382656 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1211 of 2018 🔗

NZ style would be to stop the virus from coming into in the UK. It’s already here and in general circulation, so surely they would keep reverting to their lockdowns whenever it has a resurgence?

It’s another mad plan from which there is no exit.

382657 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #1212 of 2018 🔗

Johnson said lockdowns are a ‘nuclear option’ after the first one, yet he did them again anyway. Don’t trust this man or any of the people on those podiums.

382769 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Vir Cotto, #1213 of 2018 🔗

… i.e. we’re Japan in this experiment.

382660 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #1214 of 2018 🔗

He’s a lying fat c@nt. If he says it will happen, it won’t. If he says it won’t happen, it will. An absolute horror of a human being.

382688 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1215 of 2018 🔗

2-3 years? Are you fucking insane?

382624 Silke David, 10, #1216 of 2018 🔗

Just came back from leafleting. No problems.

Interesting how many houses still have xmas deco (wreaths esp) up. Shops which closed before xmas still have decorations in.

One house still had all deco and even the tree, so seems unoccupied? ( We have a very elderly demographic here, with lots of people moving from Greater London area to enjoy their retirement, so we have quite a lot of well off do-gooders and I concentrate on their areas.)

382627 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 17, #1217 of 2018 🔗

Stupendously good article by Dr Kendrick on “The scientific evidence I’ve studied on lockdowns suggests they don’t work. The places with the highest death rates all had them”
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/513377-covid-lockdowns-dont-work/

382640 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Nessimmersion, 12, #1218 of 2018 🔗

Great. Kendrick is a voice of reason.

There is a lot of despair around these comments today.

Despair is not a useful emotion.

People need to pull themselves together. We have the irrefutable evidence that lockdowns do not work and their continued deployment is trashing the country.

That is the plain truth and it will out.

Best

382686 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bill H, 1, #1219 of 2018 🔗

Quite right.

382651 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1220 of 2018 🔗

Thanks, will read it later.

382652 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to Nessimmersion, 7, #1221 of 2018 🔗

Great article, I’ve been saying this for ages but nobody seems to be taking any notice. The harder the lockdowns, the higher death rates. It’s not hard to find this out, but no one in power is listening.

382661 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1222 of 2018 🔗

thanks – saved for later!

382753 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1223 of 2018 🔗

It’s brilliant and uses data to hammer the point home. I will try sharing it on farcebook and see if the censors let it through.

382646 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 2, #1224 of 2018 🔗

Interesting nugget. California has officially a population of 41Mill.

They have carried out just over 41Mill tests.

382918 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to Silke David, 2, #1225 of 2018 🔗

Ah but UK has a population of 68mill, and we have carried out 70mill tests.

This means we have won – doesn’t it?

382647 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #1226 of 2018 🔗

Brilliant

382676 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Victoria, 2, #1227 of 2018 🔗

Are you Jairzinho?….or are you Chris Waddle?….the choice is yours!!

382653 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #1228 of 2018 🔗

100,000 people have NOT died of COVID in the UK.

100,000 have died of something in the UK who have had a flawed positive test within the previous 60 days, or who had some symptoms (eg shortness of breath at death). They will have died from cancer, heart disease, old age, road accidents and any number of other things. A tragic few died of COVID

Please let’s not start accepting these bullshit numbers.

https://gab.com/Simondolan

382731 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 8, #1229 of 2018 🔗

Why are the few who died of Covid ‘tragic’ whereas the many who died of cancer etc. were not?
Covid isn’t a tragedy,p, it’s a farce. A grim one, but a farce.

382659 Victoria, 7, #1230 of 2018 🔗

“It is frankly unjust for these businesses to ruin themselves financially just to pay back debt which was thrust upon them by a completely inept and shambolic government, especially when they were under the impression that they would be back in full operation within months”

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/to-save-the-heart-of-our-economy-write-off-covid-19-loans-to-small-business-now/

https://gab.com/Simondolan/posts/105626540386739056

382666 leggy, replying to leggy, 12, #1231 of 2018 🔗

So Tanzania is on the forced hotel imprisonment list. Imagine my surprise…

382675 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to leggy, 2, #1232 of 2018 🔗

I want to down thumb you just for bringing me that news. 🙁

382681 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1233 of 2018 🔗

I’d thumb down myself if I could!

Still, just because ones goes there doesn’t necessarily mean one has to come back!

382683 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 1, #1234 of 2018 🔗

I think there’s a 3 month limit, though there may be ways round that if you buy property or start a business there

382736 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, 3, #1235 of 2018 🔗

I’m sure they must have a process for asylum seekers.

383218 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to leggy, 1, #1236 of 2018 🔗

they have to I think, under international law. I wouldn’t be coming back if I was lucky enough to get there.

382670 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #1237 of 2018 🔗

Mr Hitchens showing how it SHOULD be done on Twitter. No fucking about, on the front foot and taking aim. This site needs to take a leaf out his book.

382678 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1238 of 2018 🔗

Its amazing how Peter has ‘blossomed’ since the death of his brother…………

382692 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1239 of 2018 🔗

Without wanting to get into his brother, I wouldn’t have gone near Peter Hitchens a year ago. I found him rude, aloof and not my bag politically at all. I was very wrong.

382708 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1240 of 2018 🔗

I agree.Im not suggesting I ‘love’ the guy today, but he has gone up in my estimation.I do think he was hiding behind his brother’s popularity though…….

382713 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1241 of 2018 🔗

Is that because you are a ‘Far right Nazi/Fascist/Populist/Brexiteer’ now?….just like me and millions of other normal citizens!!!?

382838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1242 of 2018 🔗

Nope, just seen a different side to him. Calm, considered and respectful. The whole left/right Remain/Leave debate is for sad acts and bores me to tears.

383214 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1243 of 2018 🔗

poor Peter Hitchens! cursed with a more charismatic older brother – yet I think his brother never did anything as brave or as important as Peter Hitchens has done in the past year

382691 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1244 of 2018 🔗

Him and Sumption have both been excellent IMO

Love to see the two of them up against the PM and Hancock in a televised debate – men v. boys

382758 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 1, #1245 of 2018 🔗

The only debate suiting either of those two would be a debate opened up to the masses.
Right; I’ve set it up. Somebody else volley it into the back of the net, if you please.

383069 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1246 of 2018 🔗

I’d guillotine that debate …

(closer to the goal line).

382672 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 37, #1247 of 2018 🔗

Had a few good conversations the past few days, paraphrased below:

1 – delivered a lot of lateral flow tests to a GPs, quite a busy reception area considering it’s emergency treatments only. Staff member said “not again, how long is this going to go on for? I’ve had enough!”. Me – “Government not interested in ending it. It will only end when enough of us stand up and tell them we’ve had enough and it stops now”. Silence. People start talking to each other while I’m walking out.

2 – waiting at another GPs for the receptionist to open the office door so I could put the box of test kits in the back for them. Nurse comes through complaining about not wearing her mask properly as it steams up her glasses to what must have been a regular patient of hers. I see her raise her hands to touch the mask but then lowers them. Said “good to see you never touched the mask or you’d be be off washing your hands”. She said “yes, it’s a right pain”. patient “why?” We both explained about you cannot touch the mask without hand washing afterwards. She didn’t know this. I got in the comment that supermarkets are so dangerous as people touch the mask, touch the food, touch the mask etc over and over spreading bacteria and viruses everywhere and the government and their advisors must be really stupid not to know this. She said “but we breathe through the masks”. “Yep”. “If they are that dirty you cannot touch them what are we breathing in?” “The virus and pneumonia bacteria”. Exit stage left.

Also noticed companies amy have the signs up but more and more staff and customers ignoring all the stupidity and going back to more normal behaviour.

382725 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1248 of 2018 🔗

AG, your posts are gold dust.

382747 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 4, #1249 of 2018 🔗

So they are. As are yours, Annie.

382757 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 11, #1250 of 2018 🔗

I am SOOO looking forward to meeting everybody at our victory party.

382754 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1251 of 2018 🔗

I’m disappointed you didn’t mention covid killing pets 🙂

382682 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 36, #1252 of 2018 🔗

I don’t think people against lockdown should feel the need to defend themselves.

No pandemic plan ever considered lockdown as a justified response or the thousands of people who wrote them. The WHO didn’t.

Then half the world turns on a sixpence in a few weeks in March and thinks they’re a great idea. Well I didn’t. I haven’t changed and I think they should show their workings not me.

382694 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 19, #1253 of 2018 🔗

100% – burden of proof is on those who have proposed all this unorthodox nonsense

382699 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 5, #1254 of 2018 🔗

Its not like this pandemic is out of the range of what was planned for.

Officially worldwide 2 million deaths after a year

Hong Kong Flu 1-4 million
Asian Flu 1-4 million

It’s exactly what they were planning for

382726 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to steve_w, 5, #1255 of 2018 🔗

And both of those occurred when the world’s population was less than a half what it is today.

382745 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Chicot, 2, #1256 of 2018 🔗

Taking a midrange between the 1 and 4 million figures – 2.5 m – , the equivalent today of that would be roughly 6 and 5 million respectively for HK and Asian, with the effect being more spread across age groups rather than concentrated as covid is

382764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 2, #1257 of 2018 🔗

yes in terms of QALYs HK and Asian knock covid out of the park

382756 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #1258 of 2018 🔗

pandemic ???

Have I missed something?

382718 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 8, #1259 of 2018 🔗

They can’t prove it, as there is no evidential basis for the reversals. Take face masks, for example. When Whitty was asked by a House of Commons Select Committee for the evidence for the government’s change position on masks, he said, “The data hadn’t changed, what changed was our interpretation.” When the World Health Organisation announced its reversal, it did so not on the basis of any evidence, but as a result of political lobbying, as even The BBC reported. When Fauci reversed his position, he didn’t even try to claim there was any evidence, but shamelessly claimed he had previously been lying.

382709 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 2, #1260 of 2018 🔗

Too right, its become arse about face, lockdown or any other mitigation measure compromising basic human rights has NOT been justified! Its for covidians to prove efficacy.

For bonus point downvotes; International air travel isn’t a human right! If were the ticket would be free.

So knock yourself out down voting whingers

382772 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1261 of 2018 🔗

A right providing one has the means to pay.

Like food or shelter.

Or:

I have a right to have sex, but only if I can find someone to willingly engage in sexual activity with me..

I do not have an absolute right – ie I may not force a woman to have sex with me.

382798 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to steve_w, 3, #1262 of 2018 🔗

I agree Steve and I never defend myself, whatever rubbish or ‘data’ is thrown my way. The other day I asked my sister to answer one question, why is Covid any more important than any other illness?. She spluttered a bit about it being contagious, I asked if she had ever considered that maybe we are being lied to about asymptomatic spread, no of course she hasn’t because our government wouldn’t do that to us!. She might change her mind when she realises that she can’t take her four holidays a year, either due to hotel quarantine or vaccine passports( she is someone who is really is an anti vaxer).

382802 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hellonearth, #1263 of 2018 🔗

Going on holiday is not a “reasonable excuse” for leaving one’s home under the rules.

382690 Anti_socialist, 2, #1264 of 2018 🔗

An interesting video comparing proper science in 2003 & what happened in 2020!

What Happened To SARS-1?

382693 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1265 of 2018 🔗

All the propaganda news reports showing how the NHS is stretched to the limit with Covid 19 cases is surely only credible to those who already believe or are barely paying attention. Imagine if the NHS really were under such pressure, would journalists with whole crews be invited in, given access to interview intensive care patients (who aren’t even hooked up to machines to monitor their vital signs) and interview nurse after nurse and doctor after doctor who all tell the same story, in only slightly different words? Surely, a health care system operating at the limit would look and sound very different. Nurses and doctors would’t have time to talk the journalists, and would brusquely brush off any such attempt to interview them. The production crews wouldn’t be allowed access, as their presence would be a serious hindrance; it would threaten the provision of care; it would be a distraction and a potential hazard; they would be in the way. The propaganda news reports look nothing like a stretched health care system. It looks like the journalists have exploited the hospital television dramas they have been watching for decades for their model. It used to be said that life imitates art. It seems television news imitates television drama, which is hardly surprising as it is obvious they cannot distinguish between fact and fiction.

382733 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1266 of 2018 🔗

I’m quite prepared to believe that the NHS is stretched. But it’s not over-demand; its under-supply from years of ‘austerity’ (aka ‘upward wealth transfer’)

382742 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 7, #1267 of 2018 🔗

I fell off may bike at the end of last month and broke my hip. I spent just over three days in hospital. They were anything but busy. I wrote an account of it: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/admitted-to-hospital-in-time-of.html

382824 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1268 of 2018 🔗

I’ve been in hospital a couple of times in the last three months. They were busy – although not disastrously so. And, of course, levels of activity vary between specialities and locations – and too many people are not being treated, although fewer than in April.

Both sides have their myths – and both are wrong: both the ‘bodies in temporary mortuaries’ and the ’empty hospitals’ myths.

382968 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #1269 of 2018 🔗

When you were in hospital on these occasions, what was the longest stay and how much of the hospital did you see?

382698 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1270 of 2018 🔗

So the Mail is now reporting that “contact tracing” may have to remain for hospitality til the 2030`s !!

That means the Government are obviously considering this so expect more of this from other papers in next few weeks.

Tim Martin you need to open 30th January.

382707 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1271 of 2018 🔗

nobody uses it now!

382732 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 1, #1272 of 2018 🔗

Apart from useless politicians

382738 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jinks, 1, #1273 of 2018 🔗

I’d love to see the graph of positives from the contact tracing app – will be the mirror image of ‘cases’.

382744 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, #1274 of 2018 🔗

How many people do use it now?

382721 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1275 of 2018 🔗

Haha! It will take this pisspoor government until 2030 to get it working correctly.

382727 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1276 of 2018 🔗

I think contact tracing will remain with us for decades for anything that involves people in closeish proximity in public

Tier 2 will be the new summer normal for as long as it takes people to come to their senses

382741 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 5, #1277 of 2018 🔗

I optimistically think it will end – I just don’t know how.

383031 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1278 of 2018 🔗

My comment on that article was “Hugely valuable contracts paid for by you and me which gather data and oppress everyone – of course they must continue, because it’s their gravy train. Just don’t comply. No app needed. Refuse and live your life free.”

382702 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1279 of 2018 🔗

This appeared on a Spectator daily email today:

The UK passed 100,000 deaths from Covid-19 yesterday. Boris Johnson said he takes ‘full responsibility’ and that the government ‘did everything we could to minimise suffering and minimise loss of life in this country as a result of the pandemic’.

382706 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1280 of 2018 🔗

Well, that’s us all off the hook then!

382776 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to vargas99, 1, #1281 of 2018 🔗

Actually what Boris Johnson said he took full responsibility for was the government’s actions. He did not say he took full responsibility for the alleged hundred thousand Covid deaths.

382833 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Steve Hayes, #1282 of 2018 🔗

you say potato…..

383098 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to vargas99, #1283 of 2018 🔗

Ha he’s beginning to sound more like Jesus now taking all the sins on himself.

382712 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 28, #1284 of 2018 🔗

The simple choice is :

  • If the 100000 deaths are true, then the government has performed abysmally
  • If the 100000 deaths aren’t true, then the government has lied abysmally
382728 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to RickH, 6, #1285 of 2018 🔗

spot on…..BUT 100K deaths is a lie…and the ‘Government’ know full well…and there is NOTHING we can do about it?

382749 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, #1286 of 2018 🔗

NHS Treatment protocols?

382715 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1287 of 2018 🔗

Couldn’t add this as an edit:

However, this doesn’t refer to deaths due to other causes because of government policy.

The link (on the word “said”) takes you to Politico and does contain a quote from Neil Ferguson.

382729 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1288 of 2018 🔗

I had to laugh at this from the Spectator email – they’re trolling us now.

382703 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #1289 of 2018 🔗

Great article by Malcolm Kendrick posted earlier by Nessimersion, below .

The scientific evidence I’ve studied on lockdowns suggests they don’t work. The places with the highest death rates all had them

What interests me also are his comments in the accompanying email today about the process of getting it published.

This blog was published on RT-com, after much discussion and a few changes. It can be seen here It took a few days. The editors were concerned about the fact-checkers having a go at it and demanding retraction.
We went back and forward. I assured them that all my quoted facts were correct, so the fact-checkers could only attack the ‘opinion’ stated. Which they may well do. If so, fact checkers are no longer checking facts, they are decreeing which scientific opinions are correct, and which are wrong.
…..”

382716 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 13, #1290 of 2018 🔗

The majority of ‘fact checkers’ have never been interested in facts.

382813 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Mark, 5, #1291 of 2018 🔗

Tried posting on Conservative Woman, but Disqus is blocking inconvenient links and they are being infested by 77 type trolls to disrupt any conversations just now.

382704 swedenborg, 17, #1292 of 2018 🔗

https://www.merkur.de/politik/angela-merkel-corona-kritik-virologe-klaus-stoehr-deutschland-regeln-strategie-90175458.html

This an interview with Klaus Stohr,Prof Virology and WHO expert in influenza and SARS,a rather famous name. He is highly critical of Merkel’s new lockdown and senseless to close schools and kindergarten. It is unrealistic to think you can reduce infection in winter with lockdown.The zerocovid thinking is zerorealistic. Only in German

382705 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1293 of 2018 🔗

The police are the willing foot soldiers of genocide

Without the foot soldiers it can’t be done

382714 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1294 of 2018 🔗

Soldiers can be fought and defeated.
Zombies can’t.

382750 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Annie, 6, #1295 of 2018 🔗

Zombies – you just cut their head off. Job done.

382759 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1296 of 2018 🔗

Or tie their shoelaces together.

382720 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1297 of 2018 🔗

They were ‘prowling’ my local supermarket car park this morning in a police car…..going round and round looking for innocent maskless victims!!…like something out of Soviet Russia……..very worrying

382861 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1298 of 2018 🔗

You don’t have to wear a mask in a car park!

383085 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, #1299 of 2018 🔗

Yet!

382724 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 64, #1300 of 2018 🔗

People have been interested in what Carl Heneghan has been up to. He has just been in touch with these words “ In terms of busy we’ve been collating over 250 studies on transmission for a number of systematic reviews.” By we, he means his good self and Tom Jefferson and Tom tells me that this work has been requested by the WHO which sounds like good news. Carl has also been doing shifts as a GP and going into care homes for face to face sessions giving some few folk something special to look forward to.These are the heroes, not the vankers creaming in the ackers, whatever their political stripe.

382730 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bungle, 17, #1301 of 2018 🔗

Lord Heneghan

382743 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Bungle, 5, #1302 of 2018 🔗

Could this be why Boris looks so haggard

382860 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1303 of 2018 🔗

He’s beginning to look more like Dorian Grey every week. 😂

382751 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 21, #1304 of 2018 🔗

When the bollox is over there will be a gallery of honour and Carl will be in it.

382785 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bungle, 18, #1305 of 2018 🔗

Bless him for doing the GP work. We won’t forget what a bloody marvellous man he is and his associates.

382735 SilverLining, replying to SilverLining, 12, #1306 of 2018 🔗

Somebody has suggested to set-up a Gab group as alternative – I have done so – it’s a private group, though. Any recommndations on how to get the word out? I don’t want to post the link freely in here. I’m not a frequent poster, but long time reader – if references are required kh can vouch for me, her scones are superb 🙂

382763 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), replying to SilverLining, 4, #1307 of 2018 🔗

Have you posted in the forum as people can DM you via that?

382770 ▶▶▶ SilverLining, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 4, #1308 of 2018 🔗

I am part of the forum, so DMs will work

382913 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to SilverLining, 2, #1309 of 2018 🔗

Sure can! We enjoy Saturday morning LS discussions – or we used to 😉

382737 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1310 of 2018 🔗

Boris Johnson today: In order to further reduce the risk of variants entering the country, he announced that all such arrivals who could not be refused entry would be required to isolate in government provided accommodation, such as hotels , for 10 days “without exception”.
These arrivals would be met at the airport and “ transported directly into quarantine “, with the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) working to set up these facilities “as quickly as possible”, he said.
—————————————————————————————-
So that may be a hotel or perhaps some other kind of enforced detention then?

382752 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1311 of 2018 🔗

So what happens if you arrive in the UK via a ferry?

382762 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1312 of 2018 🔗

Or a dinghy?

382775 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1313 of 2018 🔗

Then you are given a house and some money.

382778 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1314 of 2018 🔗

‘Without exception’ – so arriving businessmen, G20 members and lorry drivers at Dover will be quarantined?

382797 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #1315 of 2018 🔗

The G7 Summit should be interesting.

383081 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, #1316 of 2018 🔗

They’ll be quarantining at the Carbis Bay Hotel and deported by Lear jet afterwards.

383025 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #1317 of 2018 🔗

and footballlers – the Champions League restarts soon.

382790 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1318 of 2018 🔗

What happens if they say fuck off I’m not coming with you and walk out of he terminal building?

383074 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1319 of 2018 🔗

The gloves come off and the cuffs come out.

382897 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1320 of 2018 🔗

I saw a Rebel News report the other day on a “quarantine facility” in Toronto which was also a hotel that has now been repurposed. A masked security guy met the reporter outside who asked about renting a room, and the guy said the hotel was under construction. Well you could clearly see there was no construction going on and that there were people inside the rooms. Security guy ordered him off the property but the reporter was able to track down someone who had been in the facility. We now have to have a negative Covid test within 72 hours of flying back to Canada but this guy and his dad were unable to get one in Jamaica as the test bookings were well into February. They were allowed on the plane and were then told they needed to have a test done at the airport upon arrival. They refused and were taken to the “hotel.” The food was horrendous and they were locked inside their rooms without any outdoor exercise and were forced to have temperature checks twice a day. Well, these guys just up and left after a few days. Apparently they can’t force you to stay, but I imagine almost all of these “prisoners” don’t know their rights and believed they had to stay. It was very disturbing to see. I don’t know whether our governments can really imprison us legally or whether they’re counting on people believing they must stay in these facilities. Scary times!

382739 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 32, #1321 of 2018 🔗

Had our weekly Teams meeting at work earlier today. I have noticed a distinct change in attitude – people are getting weary. I can only hope that this quickly develops into pissed off and eventually into anti-lockdown action.

382779 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1322 of 2018 🔗

No they will blame us!

382796 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Ewan Duffy, 17, #1323 of 2018 🔗

I have noticed a “lack of enthusiasm” at work – apart from a few “let’s plaster on a fake smile, ignore everything, just say nice things and make light hearted conversation about lockdown” people.

What’s the point in work if you can’t live?

Formerly motivated people are now beginning to appear shattered (myself included).

382885 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1324 of 2018 🔗

The workplace is growing very tired of this. I can’t imagine corporations will be happy with such poor morale.

382892 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1325 of 2018 🔗

Yep, heard quiet a few comments this week by people starting to see through it all and getting angry but don’t know where to find out what is really happening.

382748 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #1326 of 2018 🔗

Has anybody noticed TALKRADIO are towing the Establishment line?….I have stopped listening to people like Ian Collins…..they have taken the Globalists King Shilling?

382773 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1327 of 2018 🔗

I realised they were a lost cause when they started shilling for the vaccines a few months ago.

382780 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 9, #1328 of 2018 🔗

JHB has been good in general, and Mike Graham

Better than most other media

382794 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #1329 of 2018 🔗

Both of them were enthusiastic supporters of lockdown version one. Julia Hartley brewer still supports social distancing, face masks, vaccines, following all the rules.

382819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1330 of 2018 🔗

these people call themselves ‘journalists’?…I just DONT THINK THEY ARE

382993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1331 of 2018 🔗

That’s what I don’t get about J H-B. She can speak one day to anti-lockdown experts who explain scientifically why the PCR test is meaningless, seasonal respiratory illness, and how the statistics (when put in context) show there is no pandemic. She makes the right noises in acknowledgement but the next day she’ll give some MP going on about ‘the deaths’ an easy ride whilst also saying that social distancing, masks, vaccines etc are necessary measures to overcome the problem. I have come to the conclusion that underneath the faux intellectual exterior she just isn’t capable of connecting the dots.

382760 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, #1332 of 2018 🔗

Just had the misfortune of clicking through to an article on the BBC and noticed this which was posted two hours ago. The excess deaths figure is not right is it? There is no indication what “usual” means.

382781 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ozzie, 14, #1333 of 2018 🔗

This is the first year in human history where the ONS have rolled last years figures into the next year. This is such a con.
When was disease day zero?

382829 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1334 of 2018 🔗

By this method influenza deaths must be millions in the uk since when it was recognised and counted!

382771 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 18, #1335 of 2018 🔗

Have you all heard the latest? From the Propaganda Live Rag…..

Disease X is just around the corner…apparently.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-scientist-warns-another-pandemic-19708862

What a load of utter fucking bollocks this is now getting.
These people need strung up by the fucking balls for this!!!

382774 Banjones, 15, #1336 of 2018 🔗

I’ve only just arrived. Decided I needed a long long walk.

A hundred thousand deaths – wow! No wonder they’re celebrating. Considering that about 600,000 people die every year in the UK, and nearly all THESE 100,000 deaths are ”with” coercid because of the obsessional testing with unfit-for-purposes tests – then aren’t there probably relatively few ”excess deaths” (perhaps those driven to it because of lockdown, or who had a test four weeks previously)?

This is manipulation on a grand scale. I’m appalled by Johnson’s perfidy and dishonour. He wants to be seen as another Churchill, does he? Rearrange these words into a well-known phrase: CHANCE FAT

382782 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1337 of 2018 🔗

More from the latest Spectator email:

England’s national lockdown is set to run on until at least March. Speaking in the Commons chamber this afternoon, Boris Johnson confirmed that the return of pupils to the classroom would be the first thing to be eased – but this would not happen next month as he had previously hoped. Addressing the House, Johnson said, ‘it will not be possible’ to reopen schools in England after the half-term break. However, he remained hopeful that so long as the UK’s vaccination programme remains on track, the return of pupils to the classroom will be able to begin from Monday 8 March.

Given that No. 10 has no plans for any other restrictions to be relaxed before schools reopen, this means the lockdown is here for the foreseeable future. However, Johnson attempted to give both his MPs and the public some hope by saying that work on a roadmap out of lockdown is now underway. He said his government would reveal its ‘phased’ route out of lockdown in the week beginning 22 February. This will be guided by research, currently underway, on whether vaccines block transmission.

382804 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ozzie, 14, #1338 of 2018 🔗

OPEN THE SCHOOLS NOW

Teenagers all over the country to stand with boards and demand that schools open

382851 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 4, #1339 of 2018 🔗

They need parents and friends to turn up en masse and cheer and encourage them, and face arrest if necessary. They should not have to face this alone.

382783 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1340 of 2018 🔗

I like this implication UK Column News – 27th January 2021 Boris drunk in charge of running the country.
Does he have a history of alcohol abuse anyone?

382791 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1341 of 2018 🔗

Well, maybe he really does want to be seen as another Churchill.

382800 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 3, #1342 of 2018 🔗

Churchill drank so heavily that he was often unable to hold meetings with advisors after a certain point in the day. He was completely incoherent. His radio broadcasts to the nation were sometimes spoken by an impersonator for the same reason.

382801 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 4, #1343 of 2018 🔗

Yes – apparently actor Norman Shelley, whose voice later became known to a generation of post-war kids as Winnie the Pooh.

382815 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to rockoman, 5, #1344 of 2018 🔗

Churchill was probably a better PM when pissed than Johnson is when sober. As for Johnson when on the bottle …

Fast forward 80 years and Churchill’s ‘perverted science’ phrase seems a good way to describe the mRNA treatments.

382839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John001, 3, #1345 of 2018 🔗

Churchill was a good front man whilst Atlee and others got on with running the country.

382852 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John001, 2, #1346 of 2018 🔗

Churchill was also a terrific orator pissed or sober!

382855 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1347 of 2018 🔗

“The truth is so precious that it needs a bodyguard of lies”

Winston Churchill

382822 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Richard O, #1348 of 2018 🔗

Top Bloke!!

382816 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to rockoman, 1, #1349 of 2018 🔗

The dog?

382793 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1350 of 2018 🔗

He was staggering and – according to eyewitnesses – stinking of stale alcohol at the Remembrance Day ceremony at the Cenotaph in November 2019.

I have no problem with him drinking heavily in and of itself, but such crass flaunting of his vices whilst discharging public duties is concerning to say the least.

382834 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, #1351 of 2018 🔗

If anything he should drink even more heavily.

383064 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1352 of 2018 🔗

preferably to death

382837 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 4, #1353 of 2018 🔗

Yes – that looked pretty much like a piss artist in action.

What you can say is that it doesn’t affect his judgment. 🙂

382859 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 2, #1354 of 2018 🔗

It’s not even the ability to discharge public duties that is particularly bothersome. After all, Churchill was known to imbibe.

But then, Churchill was his own man, whereas Johnson gives the impression of being a weak one, and is no doubt at the mercy of the arch manipulators – Wittery, Hancock, et al. That’s the danger, as far as I can see.

382784 rockoman, #1355 of 2018 🔗

delete

382786 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1356 of 2018 🔗

Latest from Johnson regarding international quarantine (from the DT):

Boris Johnson has confirmed that arrivals from 22 different countries will have to quarantine in Government-provided hotels “without exception”.

“We have also banned all travel from 22 countries where there is a risk of known variants including South Africa, Portugal and South American nations,” Mr Johnson told the Commons.

“And in order to reduce the risk posed by UK nationals and residents returning home from these countries, I can announce that we will require all such arrivals who cannot be refused entry to isolate in Government provided accommodation, such as hotels, for 10 days without exception.”

382999 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1357 of 2018 🔗

How will they manage with this self-interested shindig about to take place in Cornwall? Will they all flood in two or three weeks early? And where will they find hotels to accommodate them? I thought they’d all been commissioned by the Home Secretary for nice comfortable quarters for ”ASYLUM SEEKERS” (haha)

What a good thing the hospitality industry has been decommissioned – otherwise those poor people wouldn’t have got anywhere to lay their poor heads.

383072 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1358 of 2018 🔗

The  consequences of opening the can of worms by discussing variants or mutants. There are 12000 variants already, the virus is always multiplying and mutating while printing these words. Where do we find the variants? Where there is massive testing and sequencing like in UK and other western nations. Do anyone think that North Macedonia, Moldavia and Romania or any other nation with minimal common sense would start sequencing and then get the plague stamp instead of Brownie points?

The above nations were mentioned as they could be our truckdrivers flooding into our countries with our food unhindered. This is complete scientific fraud if SAGE recommended these rules. They ought to know that these variants already are inside UK and these variants will compete with all other ones and nobody can know which one is going to be the fittest. The “enemy” is already in the country. The persons from these “hotspots”, even having negative test as required at the border, still as an extra precaution (like NZ) must be quarantined 10 days for this little extra risk that they might be positive for the strain. But outside the isolation hotel there is, according to Vallance, 1 million cases a day,99,99 % never sequenced. Do they think another type of Lockdown would be more effective for each new variant served up by the SAGE?

BJ had better have a look where NZ is situated and understand geography and zero covid. If BJ thinks. after being in charge of the worst pandemic response  in the world, that this option is available somebody in the government  needs to inform him urgently of the hopeless task.

383317 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #1359 of 2018 🔗

Hundreds of thousands of (known) variants. Coronavirus replication makes one error about every 10,000 nucleotides per copy, and there are about 30,000 nucleotides in SARS2. So roughly every third time the virus is copied there’s on average one change.

But it takes time for natural selection to do its work. Everyone has just got into a funk about “new variants” but in the last year, before all this fuss, there was tentative agreement on two new strains. D614G which seemed to be more infectious, and dominated everywhere, but you can make a strong case that even that was not because it was actually more infectious. And the 382nt deletion in ORF8 that the Singapore guys found made it less virulent (but that strain didn’t become particularly widespread).

It’s just as likely that NL63 or any other endemic virus will mutate randomly and become super-deadly or whatever and we’ve been living with this terrible sword of Damocles hanging over us for millions of years. It’s called life.

383480 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, #1360 of 2018 🔗

The problem is too much information for the politicians. It is lacking some kind of filter between the scientists and the executive body. That was before general public health which could assimilate the scientific information and translate it to practical public health advice. The current set up is a disaster. Hancock hardly knew what a virus was a year ago and is now discussing variants and mutations.

382788 Uschi, replying to Uschi, 33, #1361 of 2018 🔗

Please Toby Young and all can you pleeeeeaaaase put the PCR test scandal on top of every news, every day. Why can’t you seem to see that this is the “centre of the case”. If we did not have PCR tests (or at least ONLY tests that are done according to proper standards; see WHO latest memo you posted today) we would not be in this mess. Please help to convey this message every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100,000 corona deaths indeed; how were they tested? I cannot believe that Lockdown Sceptics have this headline today. And what is more, without PCR tests, hardly any corona cases (most probably; where are all the deaths from Influenza and other respiratory illnesses that we normally have every year?) and therefore no need for this experimental thing called a vaccine.

382871 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Uschi, 9, #1362 of 2018 🔗

Yes. Spot on. When I saw this I was appalled that these dishonourable people (Johnson et al) should be given this publicity considering it is all manipulation of statistics.

It’s only the obsessional (and unfit for purpose) PCR testing that’s brought us to this point.

382882 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Uschi, 1, #1363 of 2018 🔗

Good idea or replace the woke or love in the time of covid bits.

382789 DThom, replying to DThom, 12, #1364 of 2018 🔗

More hassle today.
Decided to visit a Farm shop (can’t call it local as it’s 40 miles away) that we have been to many times before. Usually a pleasant experience.
Entered with Mrs DT who always masks. Reached the meat counter when a Young female approached and asked if I had mask. Said I was exempt. “could I see your proof” she asked. I said this was not necessary according to the law. She said “the police have told us to ask for this” I was about to pursue this statement when my OH lost patience with me and told me to show my government printed “certificate”
Disappointed that I was not able to follow this up – why is there always one officious little madam – noticed on my way out that she was chatting in a little group with three other women in the cafe area.
Not sure that I should write to the manager in view if the location

382872 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DThom, 1, #1365 of 2018 🔗

Yes, indeed you should! Every little helps!

382795 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 39, #1366 of 2018 🔗

“Professor Neil Ferguson told the BBC that if action had been taken ‘earlier and with greater stringency back in September’ then the 60,000 deaths over the past ‘four or five months’ could have been significantly reduced”

Why is this c**t repeatedly on the bbc and why is this c**t still advising the government?

382806 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1367 of 2018 🔗

I’m not sure that he is still advising government – that is why he comes out with these ludicrous statements in the BBC. He is still trying to justify his cr*p model and the BBC are willing participants.

382812 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Ozzie, 7, #1368 of 2018 🔗

Think he still is on something called nervtag

382814 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1369 of 2018 🔗

Very much so, yes

383004 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1370 of 2018 🔗

Sounds like something that James Bond would be fighting. How ridiculously patronising these people are.
It says a lot about their intelligence and their fitness to practise anything at all, besides ping pong.

382849 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1371 of 2018 🔗

If people hadn’t listened to Ferguson and locked down then the deaths over the ‘four or five months’ could have been significantly reduced” along with all the other collateral damage that came with lockdowns.

Neither of our statements can be proven to be correct but there is more real world data to back my assertion.

382803 Hugh, 17, #1372 of 2018 🔗

I was watching a programme about “the last surviving Nuremberg prosecutor” (Ben Ferencz) and two things he said (as I recall) struck me:
The first was, he said that all the defendants seemed to convince themselves that what they did was right (because of trhe Russian threat, because they were following the law etc.)

Secondly, the German representatives were asked to maintain the Jewish graves in Germany that would not now be maintained because of the missing Jewish population (and that in Jewish custom, the graves are maintained in perpetuity). They said they would maintain them for 20 years. When questioned on this, the reply was that surely you are not asking us to do things for the Jews that we would not do for the German people. At this point he got very angry, threw some bones of a child (from a hand?) that he had found when visiting Auscwitz down on the table, and said that this was simply what would have been done by the Jews anyway, that you killed the Jews, and if you want them to pay for the maintenance, you ask them. After a 15 minute break, they returned to court and the German representatives agreed to pay in perpetuity for the maintenance. And Ben Ferencz was convinced that if he hadn’t thrown the bones on the table, this would not have happened.

Thoughts that arise from these points are – that there are few things people will not do when they are afraid (plus ca change); And the power of evidence. The poem “Meh” and accompanying text yesterday was a similarly powerful piece of testimony to what is happening. There must be many more such dreadful cases. And I hope that evidence is being saved for when the time comes…

382805 pmdl, replying to pmdl, 6, #1373 of 2018 🔗

Many months ago i said this site was a controlled opposition, i still admit that this may be intentional or unintentional. I stopped posting soon after but still browse the odd day. The headlines today confirm it, this site is and always was a way of neutralizing any dissent, real action or any solutions to this absolute tyranny. Anybody who cannot see this is blind. Get on Telegram for the Great Re Opening, start connecting with individuals who will actually take action and tackle this madness. Good luck to everyone on here I wont be posting again.

382811 ▶▶ Julian, replying to pmdl, 12, #1374 of 2018 🔗

Who is controlling it and how?

We may never know but I think it likely that TY is being more careful because of all the attacks on LS in general, and it’s a tactical move

I strongly doubt TY has changed his views on lockdowns

382910 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, 4, #1375 of 2018 🔗

From listening to Toby and James, it seems to me that Toby views it all as an academic exercise or a thought experiment – a mere exercise in point scoring at the Oxford debating society.

For some of us it’s a matter of life or death, and I don’t think that someone as privileged as Toby can ever truly understand that.

383015 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to AidanR, 4, #1376 of 2018 🔗

It’s as Neil Oliver says, no-one who is warm can truly empathise with someone who is cold.

383030 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Banjones, #1377 of 2018 🔗

That’s a very neat way of putting it.

382818 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to pmdl, 7, #1378 of 2018 🔗

And a few weeks ago a few “opinion column” journalists and some politicians had taken it upon themselves to declare that the “anti-lockdowners” had lost the battle !!! it all occurred over a few days – of course supported by polls from yougov suggesting about 89% of the population actually wanted more lockdown. madness

382912 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to nickbowes, 1, #1379 of 2018 🔗

They were right… we have lost the battle. The only way to win is not to play.

383018 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, #1380 of 2018 🔗

Ah! Yougov! And isn’t there a certain Mr Zahawi who has fingers in THAT particular pie?
Conflicts of interest?

382840 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to pmdl, 7, #1381 of 2018 🔗

Your post could just as easily be from some stooge trying to sow doubt. Just seems odd that you feel so strongly about it that after months of not posting you had to come on to warn people.

Personally I don’t really pay much heed to what’s written ATL. For me it’s just a useful guide to what’s being talked about from day to day. Some days it’s a bit meh and other days there’s a lot to discuss.

I’ve never seen it as mainstream enough to be winning hearts and minds so the idea that it’s trying to manipulate people just doesn’t make sense to me.

382866 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1382 of 2018 🔗

I generally agree though it would be useful to refer potential sceptics to a site, and this one used to be good for that purpose, less so now

382920 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1383 of 2018 🔗

I think what he maybe getting at is that as long as the awkward squad have a little playpen here, then we’re out of the way, not upsetting the mainstream applecart, not taking to the streets. Just sitting here in our tinfoil treehouse complaining about the grammar of other posters’ messages.

382929 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to AidanR, 1, #1384 of 2018 🔗

Fair point. One that I hadn’t considered.

383006 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, 1, #1385 of 2018 🔗

Surely most of us are on the streets, upsetting applecarts, as well as coming here ? And more of a support facility than a playpen, I’d suggest.

383028 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, #1386 of 2018 🔗

Yes, I agree. It’s just a barometer, a tool, an indicator of whether or not people generally are agreeing with you. I don’t necessarily agree with all the commenters, any more than I agree with the writers themselves. It doesn’t make it any less valuable as just another platform for getting a good overview of what’s going on.

No site is either all true, or all false. If you don’t get that, it’s probably better to stick with the BBC.

382916 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to pmdl, 2, #1387 of 2018 🔗

I do see your point. I find this site frustrating both above the line and below the line.

As soon as the conversation gets fruity or sweary or any properly uncomfortable truths are aired, you get a lot of pushback, downvotes and nonsense. Those who suspected that the moderation will escalate are probably not wrong either.

383050 ▶▶ Annie, replying to pmdl, #1388 of 2018 🔗

Good. Bye.
Bullshit.

382808 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 23, #1389 of 2018 🔗

Observations of the brain dead.

1 Last year I had to sort out LPOA at the bank. Turns out one page was missing. Good news copy at the solicitors a few doors down! I ring the door bell and explained one page was missing. “Could you copy section 10 for me?”. “No you need an appointment” Despite saying “you should be able to speak to someone and get a copy for me”, no joy. “You need an appointment”
I said “can I have a business card please” which she passes to me. I sit in the car and phone the solicitors, explain the problem, “OK we will pass it out of the door shortly” “Thanks for your help!” The same person who said I needed the appointment passed me the copy! Anybody engaged with the job would have at least asked someone.

2 About 12 noon (last year) – Dads pain took a turn for the worse! Phoned GP reception staff! He had had the pain relief increased over about 3 weeks so not a new problem “Phone back in the morning or next week” They were not interested in his pain! “No appointments left today” Not “let me speak to someone I see he has a pain control problem!” Sorry callous is the word that comes to mind!

I have another example but you get the drift!

As well as the lockdown we also have a deeper problem in society.

382820 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steeve, 10, #1390 of 2018 🔗

I feel you. I worked in catering, and how often the following scenario happens is unbelievable.: Christmas parties, 180 guests. Wait person comes to kitchen, sometimes with a plate. Wrong meal, needs GF, or even needs another meal, someone got overlooked.
Discussion starts whose fault it is. No meal produced. Person wanting meal forgotten. How often did I have to get loud. Can I have a meal for this person who paid for it and wants it now? You can discuss that later!!

382830 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Silke David, 2, #1391 of 2018 🔗

Thanks for adding your insight!

383034 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Silke David, #1392 of 2018 🔗

It’s the same with any organisation – quality of performance of minions depends upon the quality of the management.
(See servile serpents.)

382809 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1393 of 2018 🔗

Gropey uncle Joe is going to vaccinate 300 Americans by the end of summer.

https://twitter.com/Mich1971C/status/1354373203255324676?s=20

382841 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1394 of 2018 🔗

The man is gone, a CGI character. Notice the Purple tie.

382810 Will, replying to Will, 7, #1395 of 2018 🔗

I have worked out two potential growth areas for the construction industry, prisons and hospices. There are fortunes to be made for the developers of such establishments over the next twenty years.

382821 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Will, 5, #1396 of 2018 🔗

I’m sure there’s also a fortune to be made in creating some device that can automatically mute the radio when the news and government ads come on. In the meantime keeping remote close to hand.

382848 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1397 of 2018 🔗

Costly in terms of replacement devices but I find a brick (or a shoe if no brick to hand) works very well.

382953 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 1, #1398 of 2018 🔗

This is the kind of clear, simple leadership that Britain needs.

383041 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1399 of 2018 🔗

I find the same irritation listening to ”Classic FM”. It’s spoiled now by all the government-driven tosh every quarter of an hour or so.

383046 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1400 of 2018 🔗

As soon as you hear a voice that isn’t the presenter’s, turn the sound off and wait five minutes.

383425 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Banjones, #1401 of 2018 🔗

Yep, that’s exactly me. Classic FM, hit the mute at 0.56mins every hour to avoid the annoying Covid pre-ads and the on the hour news. They used to be pretty ad neutral but are now infected. When I can’t be bothered with the remote controller news quick draw I switch to the only channel I know of that doesn’t have news – Smooth Chill – can get a bit (lot) repetitive but I can relax viz no news updates at all.

382831 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Will, 6, #1402 of 2018 🔗

yes, well notice how “just cremate” adverts are starting to appear on tv, no service, no ceremony, no love no remembrance just a cheap oven job then nothing, just like this b**tard government.

383017 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to nickbowes, #1403 of 2018 🔗

Well at least cremations are still voluntary.

382817 Cecil B, 25, #1404 of 2018 🔗

An eminent barrister once described to me some of the tactics deployed defending people accused of serious crimes in the courts

A well known tactic is ‘Run as many hares as you can’

The hope is that jurors will spend their time chasing the hares and lose track of what’s going on

The dictatorship adopts this tactic. Today it’s quarantine hotels. It’s a load of bollocks of course, but the stupid will chase the hares

Tomorrow more hares will be released

382823 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 18, #1405 of 2018 🔗

Many comments again today criticising the ATL reporting.

Whilst I share the sentiment of tearing these neglectful, nefarious, greedy, murderous fucks a new one over their dubious data and goals, this is proving to be a long game and as such we should tread carefully to ensure the site remains accessible.

I also think that the teams’ tongues are firmly in cheeks at the audacity of the reporting – most likely nudging us downstairs to show our teeth and get stuck in.

Be under no illusion, dark forces are at work. When one considers the lengths they’ve gone to so far, whether incompetence and arse-covering or full blown conspiracy reality, these people are devoid of morals, ethics and responsibilties and should be kept close.

They are not our friends. I believe Toby and his crew are and slack should be given.

Besides, BTL is where it’s at. Get snarling.

383039 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jez Hewitt, #1406 of 2018 🔗

yes but it’s a mistake to believe you can appease these maniacs. it’s all or nothing with them, they don’t accept even the mildest questioning, the merest hint of a presumption to think for yourself will send them into a boiling frenzy. so I don’t think there’s much to lose by openly giving them ‘nothing’ – you might as well

382825 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 22, #1407 of 2018 🔗

Once again may I urge readers to build links with sceptics in their area.

If the government really is set on the road to totalitarianism (I am not saying this is going to happen, just that there is little to prove otherwise at the moment), then it is likely that sites such as this will one day simply cease to exist.

It’s worth remembering that when the Soviet backed military coup took place in Poland in the 80s, all private telephones were cut off without warning on the day it happened.

So, get to know people in your area. The easiest way is probably by joining your local Great Reopening group on Telegram. Just sign up with Telegram and then search for ‘your county’ Great Reopening.

It’s important also that we don’t treat the Great Reopening as a one off, but as the beginning of an alternative parallel economy for people who do not accept lockdowns. We should be seeking out businesses, services, social activities etc through this in our local area so that if the worst comes to to the worst and the internet is somehow compromised, we can continue the fight offline.

382843 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1408 of 2018 🔗

agreed

I would be happy to form a Staffordshire ‘link’?…..anyone within 30/40 miles of Stafford?……

382868 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1409 of 2018 🔗

Seems to be a Staffordshire group:

Staffordshire

230 members, 39 online

https://t.me/joinchat/SzR1CROQky4F0rKprF2HiA

382985 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Luckyharry69, #1410 of 2018 🔗

Me, Harry

383047 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Luckyharry69, #1411 of 2018 🔗

The Freedom Hub does the same. Has this worked for anyone? Mine is a fair distance away, and just at the mo I can’t step up to the plate – but I would certainly seek out other sceptics if and when I can.

382827 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 18, #1412 of 2018 🔗

Have just sent another email to Michael Martin, Ireland’s Taoiseach (for the benefit of LS readers, I do not support COVID19 testing of any nature let alone this “solution”).

Dear Mr Martin,

China has the solution for accurate testing for COVID19 – anal swabs – see here as reported by Bloomberg:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-27/china-s-zero-tolerance-covid-approach-now-includes-anal-swabs

We know that Ireland has had historic issues with child abuse – clearly the Catholic Church has expertise in inserting things into peoples’ backsides and as such, given that priests are restricted in their activities at the moment, they would, no doubt, be happy to carry out such tasks.

383043 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1413 of 2018 🔗

They can use Salisbury Cathedral and practise on the choirboys.

382832 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1414 of 2018 🔗

Todays scores 25308/1725.

I posted this earlier today but I didn’t get a response. I am hoping that my interpretation is wrong or it will be the case that most of the 100K were from rather than with .

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending15january2021

“If you go to 2. Deaths registered by week and then figure 2 you get a bar graph showing deaths where the disease was a contributing factor and deaths due to the disease. After note 9 there is a data download link and if you add up column G , you get 85321 whereas column F adds to 94132.
Does that mean that 85321/94132 x 100 =90% are from rather than with ?

Any offers?

382836 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1415 of 2018 🔗

Yep! as they Vaccinate more he deaths count goes up, clear correlation!!!

382845 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1416 of 2018 🔗

It is still speculation at this point, but if there is a significant increase in mortality caused by the vaccine rollout then the death figures are going to keep climbing. Add this to lockdown deaths and it could go on for months.

382850 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Richard O, 12, #1417 of 2018 🔗

AlanG has just been told that High Peak undertakers have been warned to prepare for an increase in deaths in March/April. It could just be rumour but Alan’s response was that, if true, it likely means an expected ‘surge’ in jab-related deaths which will of course be called ‘Covid’ deaths. MW

382867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1418 of 2018 🔗

Excellent intel, thanks. We might conceivably get to the infamous 4,000 deaths per day yet. There will be an urgent requirement for recording deaths of all those who have had the vaccine.

Remember that the MHRA put out a tender towards the end of 2019 for an A.I. system to track the expected high volume of serious adverse reactions that their legacy systems would not be able to handle.

The information war is now entering a critical phase.

382876 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #1419 of 2018 🔗

I think we have to be very wary of duff ‘news’ – aka Chinese whispers. The strength of the sceptic case is in close examination of data and – as best we can – avoidance of confirmation bias.

(No – I’m not taking any vaccine – but on basic scientific grounds re. inadequate trialling)

382951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 4, #1420 of 2018 🔗

The strength of the sceptic case is in close examination of data

Couldn’t disagree more. ‘data’ is their battleground.

Ours should be principles – freedom, openness, democracy, tradition, common sense, and personal responsibility.

382842 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 9, #1421 of 2018 🔗

Coming soon: anal swabs for Covid….
Up yours, Boris!

383068 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to PatrickF, 2, #1422 of 2018 🔗

It really makes you wonder why, after all this time, a quick, unobtrusive and simple test hasn’t been formulated. Could it be because it’s serves to keep the populace afraid and subservient and having to undergo undignified ‘tests’ to remind them who is master?

382844 Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 24, #1423 of 2018 🔗

So Hunt and Greenhalgh now pushing for medical grade masks in shops and public transport. Stating that cloth masks etc don’t ‘cut it anymore’. Err, they never did and who will pay for these and can we please see you business interests in PPE companies please?

383035 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 2, #1424 of 2018 🔗

Greenhalgh is not even a scientist – why is she continually pushing for masks? There must be vested interest here.

383071 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1425 of 2018 🔗

She is mad.

383468 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, #1426 of 2018 🔗

I agree, she seems unhinged.

Her focus during the Trump end of days was that the Capitol carnage was a super spreader event. She tweets shit like “Monday morning, lets beat this virus”

She’s a balloon

383056 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 6, #1427 of 2018 🔗

Just heard from a professional nurse who makes the following point re mask infection:

Some people have staphlacoccus aureus in their nose and on their skin, doesn’t do them any harm if they’re healthy. People going into hospital are usually checked for staphlacoccus aureus and treated if it’s found because it can cause problems ie. Infections etc. MRSA (methicillin resistant staphlacoccus aureus) can be a killer.
Suppose you’re one of these people who has staph aureus in your nose. You have to wear a mask. You don’t change it very often, and when you take it off you put it in your pocket. Nice warm moist conditions for the bacteria to multiply. Next time you put your mask on you contaminate your hands and everything else you touch. Best of all, you inhale into your lungs all that bacteria. Simple really. Which is exactly why the general public should never have been made to wear masks.

383075 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Banjones, 4, #1428 of 2018 🔗

And the health authorities knew this and more which is why they always recommended against the wearing of face masks by the general public.

383065 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 1, #1429 of 2018 🔗

Well said re CoI. Just look at a certain Mr Zahawi and where HIS interests lie, and then wonder why Yougov has such influence and is quoted so often.

382846 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 31, #1430 of 2018 🔗

Nikolai Antoshkin, the commander of the Chernobyl helicopter mission, died last week “with Covid”.

Spent two years in hospital with radiation sickness and on medication for the rest of his life. There’s a man who knew and understood something about risk. RIP.

383036 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1431 of 2018 🔗

It’s incredible how long a lot of these Chernobyl heroes lasted.

382853 C S, replying to C S, 6, #1432 of 2018 🔗

I’m not expecting businesses to be singing it from the rooftops but any idea how I find out what local pubs/bars/restaurants might be taking part in the grand reopening this weekend? I have seen nothing so planning on simply driving around and heading inside should something be open…

382858 ▶▶ Mark, replying to C S, 1, #1433 of 2018 🔗

I’ve been watching the Telegram group:

https://t.me/THEGREATREOPENING

But a bit chaotic and no local group for my area unfortunately.

382946 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mark, #1434 of 2018 🔗

Things often are chaotic at the start. Give it a bit of time.

382854 Sarigan (Day 309 of lockdown), 2, #1435 of 2018 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted before but a mine of information:

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/4cd9c693-6657-eb11-912d-00505601089b

382856 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 33, #1436 of 2018 🔗

Have you all heard the VERY SINISTER Government adverts on TalkRadio/media etc in the last few days?

From a male voice actor…….

“are you going out somewhere you shouldnt?”

“are you going out pretending to exercise…. but actually meeting friends?”

THIS IS SCARY SHIT!!….

Johnson/Ferguson/Kinnock/Wancock etc etc etc can do what the hell they like!!!!

and please somebody explain to me why ELITE SPORTSPEOPLE can just carry on as ‘normal’?….please somebody for God’s sake explain to me how that can be justified before I slit my fucking wrists?

buckle up people the ride has only just started!!…..

382862 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Luckyharry69, 20, #1437 of 2018 🔗

why ELITE SPORTSPEOPLE can just carry on as ‘normal’?

Bread and circuses, same reason they can still film TV shows – they need it to keep the masses content and compliant

382869 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Julian, 11, #1438 of 2018 🔗

Absolutely Julian I understand…but WHY dont people see through this?…why arent people fucking LIVID?………

382899 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Luckyharry69, 12, #1439 of 2018 🔗

They’re too busy being fucking MORONS.

382889 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 4, #1440 of 2018 🔗

does make me wonder how travelling to sit in the audience for the masked singer is a permitted journey. it is not work. it does not fit in any of the other permitted reasons for a journey

382873 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Luckyharry69, 19, #1441 of 2018 🔗

Just ignore the fucking gob shite, most people don’t give a fuck and let it go in one ear and out the other..all round me certainly ain’t listening..

382944 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1442 of 2018 🔗

You are Biker in disguise, and I claim my five pounds.

382884 ▶▶ Will, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1443 of 2018 🔗

Whilst I would strongly advise you to ignore the nonsense, elite sportspeople are tested and bubbled to within an inch of their lives to be allowed to play their sport. When county cricket teams were using facilities away from their county set up last summer, even the grounds men for the facilities had to be tested every day.

382902 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Will, 7, #1444 of 2018 🔗

so why cant fans/supporters be tested?…pay for a test within their season ticket/ticket?…be allowed into sports stadiums?….its because they DONT WANT PEOPLE WATCHING LIVE SPORT…its about KILLING traditional sport as we know it?….where do millions of WHITE BRITISH MALES love going on a saturday?…the PUB followed by FOOTBALL?…..why do you think they are pushing WOMEN’S FOOTBALL?

382943 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1445 of 2018 🔗

Yes, I’ve noticed the pushing of women’s football for a while,

382933 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #1446 of 2018 🔗

That may be so and I have some sympathy for anyone prevented from working because of this shit, and some of the lower level people e.g. No. 100 tennis player in the world and his/her coach probably haven’t earned much in the last year, but while we can’t do the sports we love, neither should they be able to because they are collaborating with the regime in producing opium for the people

382857 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 29, #1447 of 2018 🔗

Just came across this comment on the DT:

Why are not all deaths counted the same as covid?

Died within 28 days of a car collision.

Died within 28 days of a heart attack.

Died within 28 days of stubbing your toe.

I wonder why?

382891 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 12, #1448 of 2018 🔗

Because people only die from Covid now. Don’t you read the papers, or watch the BBC, ITN, Sly, etc., you silly person. 😉

383002 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Ozzie, 10, #1449 of 2018 🔗

How about expired within 28 days of receiving a jab?

383010 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Kevin 2, 6, #1450 of 2018 🔗

now that’s one you’ll never hear. if you die within 28 minutes of receiving a jab, that will be an unrelated coincidence. or probably just covid as usual.

383061 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1451 of 2018 🔗

Not in Norway.

383026 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1452 of 2018 🔗

Its worse than that. RTAs, heart attacks and gangrene are real and visible/detectable. A positive PCR test for Covid is no proof of anything without symptomatic illness.

383045 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1453 of 2018 🔗

Why do the politicians and ‘witterers in chief not ‘man up’ and stop mithering on about deaths? people live a bit then they die that’s the deal, make the most of it while you can. Look around the UK is full of people, there is no people shortage, so no need to fret around trying to micro-manage the death rate, get on and run the country for the huge number (99.85% of popn) who have not died and need a viable country to live in.

383059 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1454 of 2018 🔗

I cannot recall the last time I noticed someone use the word “mithering.”

383157 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, #1455 of 2018 🔗

Think it was the last time I listened to this Fall song

https://youtu.be/ztVNeAzo2KI?t=351

382864 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 19, #1456 of 2018 🔗

Just phone my dentist to make an appointment, haven’t been for a year. I have been putting it off hoping that covid bollocks would be abandoned. It looking like it’s not going to be. So I had to call. I think my teeth need looking at.

I told them I CANNOT WEAR A FACEMASK. My reason to avoiding harm and distress, to myself, I reminded her there are no such thing as medical exemptions per say. But if she had to have a reason, asthma…

What a hoo haa, the receptionist had to go and get advice, the hygienist by the sound of things just refused to see me and she has to talk to the dentist tomorrow. She said I could come in first thing in the morning, at 8:00am for some strange reason.

I told her that is the middle of the night for me and I never usually do anything that early but I could if I really have to.

She will get back to me.

FFS!

382870 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Two-Six, 13, #1457 of 2018 🔗

So how do they get to work in a person’s mouth if there is a mask over it……

382886 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 17, #1458 of 2018 🔗

Right so they got back to me, the dentist will see me as his last patient. The surgery will be empty. Good.
No FN required

382923 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1459 of 2018 🔗

Its a bit silly isn’t it. As soon as you’re sat in the chair its ‘open wide.’
Week before last I had to wait maskless in the street outside until the treatment room was free. I was then taken straight up the stairs to the room so I didn’t contaminate the waiting room.
I was prepared to be hostile towards my dentist – I think all medics have badly let us down as they, of all people, know the truth of masks, distancing, asymptomatic spread etc.I feel they should spoken out.
However, talking to him, I could feel just how upset he is about what he says are therestrictions imposed on his work.
Hope it goes well for you tomorrow.

383217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to gina, 2, #1460 of 2018 🔗

Thanks Gina, its in two weeks time, so I have time to get ready for it. My dentist is a very good dentist and a very nice chap. I am actual hoping for a proper chat with him, perhaps this might be possible as I will be at the end of the day, at the end of his patient list. Lets see.

My hygienist is another matter….she scares the crap out of me ever time I see her, a total maniac. She dropped her little pokey thing once, fumbled it, and it stuck right into my lower lip….When she pulled it out it went “Dink”..

Oooohhh

383469 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Two-Six, #1461 of 2018 🔗

yep – in my experience hygienists are a breed apart. Let us know how it goes.

382973 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1462 of 2018 🔗

At my dental appointment, I had to wait outside in the car. The office manager came out, took my temperature and asked a million and one questions about the status of my health. Had to sign the form using my own pen, before getting ushered into the surgery. My handbag and coat had to be put in a plastic box in the corner of the room. What a bloody faff.

382976 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1463 of 2018 🔗

If you go to the dentists and were to be wearing a mask I think at some point you’d have to take it off.

P.S. – I wonder if my antipathy to wearing a mask has something to do with my having so many operations as a child? Mask wearing for is perhaps synonymous with separation from my parents and being in frightening surrounding.

Perhaps not, I just associate it with lack of fortitude and steeply resolve, qualities that were instilled in us growing up in post war Britain

383016 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1464 of 2018 🔗

Reminds me of the horrible old gas anaesthetic. I had numerous operations as a child and the pre-med that was supposed to send you to sleep never did for me. .

383027 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1465 of 2018 🔗

It is the memory of that that makes me unable to wear a mask now, even if I’d refuse anyway on moral grounds. Me a terrified eight-year-old in Singapore, incomprehensible masked Chinese dentist clamps this hideous black thing over my face and holds me down …. aaaargh.

383238 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to redbirdpete, #1466 of 2018 🔗

And that smell of rubber…..

382992 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1467 of 2018 🔗

While you are there ask him why they require a amsk when teh law says you don’t:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/made

PART 2
Exemptions from definition of shop – regulation 2(2)

7. Premises (other than registered pharmacies) providing wholly or mainly medical or dental services, audiology services, chiropody, chiropractic, osteopathic, optometry or other medical services including services relating to mental health.

383208 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #1468 of 2018 🔗

I have read that, Yes THEY don’t need to wear FN’s. I might assemble a little package for them or graphs and wot not. The receptionist sounded like she was a lapsing covidian. Perhaps just a little push might do it.

I though she sounded quite upset when I said to her I felt it was as dystopian la la land out there and I hadn’t been out since mandatory FN day and why I hadn’t visited them for the last year, due to the mental covid rules.

My dentists were all wearing FN’s before the scamdemic anyway. I thought it a bit strange at first but then dentists are supposed to wear FN’s. I can cope with that. I just hope he isn’t going to go full darth vader on me.

383001 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1469 of 2018 🔗

Had the joy of a dental visit yesterday and felt like I’d become an extra in the film Contagion. Dentist and assistant both kitted out in PPE, heavy double valved respirators (well beyond N95) and visors, was so tempted to cough for the hell of it.

Main problem is I haven’t a clue how my teeth were, he is Eastern European and has a heavy accent. Add this to the PPE and respirator and for the first time ever I couldn’t understand a word he was saying, he assistant was also clearly struggling. Well thought through!

383021 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1470 of 2018 🔗

What a load of morons. I just walked into my dentist’s, told the receptionist I was exempt, no trouble at all.
And that was in Gulag Wales.

383120 ▶▶ davews, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1471 of 2018 🔗

At my dentist (private) when I visited in December the receptionist asked ‘do you have a mask’ then saw my lanyard and said ‘ah, you are exempt’. When I went yesterday neither she nor anybody else even asked, just accepted. Mind you, had problems hearing what the dentist was saying in her double PPE.

383125 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to davews, #1472 of 2018 🔗

Mine wore PPE even before this kicked off. Am seeing her in about a week’s time.

383235 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1473 of 2018 🔗

I am having EXACTLY the same problem. It’s the muzzle factor that is the issue for me.

382865 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 27, #1474 of 2018 🔗

Cough, fatigue, sore throat and muscle pain may be more common in people who test positive for the new UK variant of coronavirus”, for goodness sake these are symptoms of any number of infections both bacterial and viral, including bacterial tonsillitis. So everyone I see with a sore throat has to be tested?

382877 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 14, #1475 of 2018 🔗

Aren’t these all immune system defence symptoms from infection of anything?

382878 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1476 of 2018 🔗

Well – almost anything.

382883 ▶▶ Hughie, replying to p02099003, 3, #1477 of 2018 🔗

They want you to get tested whether you have a sore throat or not! Big temporary dot matrix signs all over London streets saying simply ‘Book a covid test’

382986 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to p02099003, 5, #1478 of 2018 🔗

I had aching leg muscles, and I’m wondering whether it’s because I contracted the South African variant from some peaches I ate. Or it could just have been walking all day in ice and mud over the fells. Hmmm…. I’d better go and get a test.

382874 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 39, #1479 of 2018 🔗

I will NEVER WEAR A MASK in my own private propery or in the open air….NEVER

any business that insists on that I will BOYCOTT…simples…If I have to DIE FREE I WILL……..

382879 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1480 of 2018 🔗

Die fighting, life in submission, isn’t living!

383070 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1481 of 2018 🔗

That is the hill I will metaphorically die on. I’m with you and will NEVER wear a mask outdoors or on my own property. Fine me forever and I will clog up the courts until I die.

382875 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 10, #1482 of 2018 🔗

Schools shut for ages…. nurseries still open…. what’s the logic there then?

382880 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hughie, 8, #1483 of 2018 🔗

schools will open allegedly 8th march for 4 weeks and then a 2 week holiday for easter.
no logic to anything

382893 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mj, 16, #1484 of 2018 🔗

I will be staggered if that happens. I think the date is just to fob off the CRG and others. There will be a new variant or some other excuse, whatever happens.

382894 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to mj, 6, #1485 of 2018 🔗

I agree no logic to anything. But why doesn’t anyone else seem to acknowledge this? Surely that would be a simple question for a journalist to ask one of these bellend scientists. “If schoolchildren are being kept at home in the name of virus spread, why are nursery children still going in?”
Things like this are massive challenges to the idea that the gov measures are purely about ‘controlling’ a virus.

382887 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Hughie, 1, #1486 of 2018 🔗

Estate Agents?…..why?

382935 ▶▶ Will, replying to Hughie, 6, #1487 of 2018 🔗

Does the bastard child go to nursery?

382955 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Will, 2, #1488 of 2018 🔗

Exactly! That must be it

382881 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1489 of 2018 🔗

Johnson at the presser:

The prime minister says he wants schools to reopen only if it can be guaranteed there will be no accompanying “surge” in coronavirus infections. It’s important to be “clear” that the roll-out of vaccines

is succeeding and the impact of this on death rates is positive too.

Boris Johnson says he’s “confident” this will happen, but the proof will only become “visible” by mid-February.

the roll-out of vaccines is succeeding and the impact of this on death rates is positive too.

Yes, it’s going up, as per your plan. It should be coming down, you knobend!

(Usual caveat: I don’t believe any of the death numbers attributed to Covid are real.)

382890 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1490 of 2018 🔗

When an egotistic serial liar with sociopathic tendencies is all at sea – we’re doubly f.ed.

382895 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 23, #1491 of 2018 🔗

It was only a few weeks ago that the general mood was upbeat and the vaccines were our pathway out of this.

Then within a matter of days it changed to Lockdown Sceptics are evil and to blame for keeping everyone in lockdowns.

I’m still trying to figure out what caused this sudden change.

382896 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1492 of 2018 🔗

“I’m still trying to figure out what caused this sudden change.”

No you’re not 🙂

382901 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, #1493 of 2018 🔗

I think you’re wrong

382945 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1494 of 2018 🔗

Sorry RickH, I think I got what you’re saying.

The days are fading from one day to the next so I don’t always remember exactly what happened when.

I’m inclined to think that there was a realisation that the vaccines weren’t going to save the day and the hope that people felt suddenly turned to despair and they lashed out looking for people to blame.

382908 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #1495 of 2018 🔗

They either know the vaccines don’t work or it was never about a vaccine or SAGE don’t want this to end and the PM is too cowardly or stupid to tell them to shove off

382961 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 6, #1496 of 2018 🔗

All Johnson knows is: when in a hole, keep digging. He probably thinks he’s being very Churchillian: KBO.

Of course there is a global aspect to this. But if the Dems in America think Covid has done its political job and are dropping it, the Johnson-Starmer show will be left looking stupid. There is probably no way out for them, and Johnson won’t take it even if there is one.