2021-01-28

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383575 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #1 of 2049 🔗

Flu epidemics between 2000 and 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgq5eOp2eP4
History Debunked

383594 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 114, #2 of 2049 🔗

I am in complete despair how this Goverment keeps destroying our lives and the economy with never ending lockdown.

Lockdown was the invention of Xi Jinping, the world’s worst dictator.

The proper Conservatives like Sir John Redwood, Sir Desmond Swayne, Sir Charles Walker are left on the back benches while Boris Johnson prefers to listen to his Left Wing Masters in SAGE. He seems more like a hostage under threat than a leader.

383595 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 23, #3 of 2049 🔗

Of course we should no give up or we will never get our freedom back

383942 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 24, #4 of 2049 🔗

Everybody needs to get out of their dwellings and stand in front of their houses. Everybody – everywhere. Holding a sign stating:
“We don’t buy into your lies anymore.”
The biggest problem with that will be the ‘everybody’ part, though.

384007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nottheonly1, 19, #5 of 2049 🔗

A poster in our windows and cars would be better although you risk some Lockdown nut throwing a brick at them.

384038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #6 of 2049 🔗

Well, the ‘throwing a brick’ part might be neglectable – if those standing in front of their houses have some bricks at the door?

384032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nottheonly1, 12, #7 of 2049 🔗

Children should stand in towns with signs saying ‘ I want to go to school

385091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Victoria, #8 of 2049 🔗

They should also carry a poster showing the relatively low risk to teachers compared to the average person.

385104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ken Garoo, #9 of 2049 🔗

That is – just about zero.

384034 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nottheonly1, 8, #10 of 2049 🔗

.Children should stand in towns with signs saying ‘ I want to go to school

384046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Victoria, 6, #11 of 2049 🔗

Exactly. With their teachers holding signs that state:
“We want our students back in their classrooms – NOW.”

384556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Nottheonly1, 4, #12 of 2049 🔗

Yes restart the 7pm thursday clap but with everyone who wants lockdowns to end on their drives holding their Horns down !! For 5 minutes !! Can anyone in media get this idea going Come on let’s do it !!

384840 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #13 of 2049 🔗

Yes. Honking horns to express ones consent/dissent were a new concept to me when I first came to Hawai’i. Now, I am convinced it might be the best action to get people’s attention. Honk it – and if only for five minutes. Tye sooner the better. Time is of the essence.

385086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nottheonly1, #14 of 2049 🔗

And what difference will it make to the rulers? None, I’d guess. They’ll just ignore it and pass on.

385174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Banjones, #15 of 2049 🔗

The rulers do what they are paid to so are unchangeanble by non-oligarchs. The ordinary folks, trustingly relying on the MSM, beleive what they are told. If they see another message, they may start to think about the their own sense of contradiction between the info presented by the MSM and their own experience.

385311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Banjones, #16 of 2049 🔗

You could invert that of course and with a high likeliness that nothing will make a difference to the rulers.
Because it is a hard pill to swallow, that they are immune to anything non-violent. However, the psywar against the population certainly works in both directions. If nothing else, it will constitute a massive nuisance when the horns go off in the middle of the night – in the neighborhood of Your oppressive ruler. Setting off car alarms is known to be a demoralizing practice by the rulers’ servants to break dissidents.

385520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Nottheonly1, #17 of 2049 🔗

Spread the word 👍 7pm Thursdays !!

383701 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #18 of 2049 🔗

A rather willing hostage i.e. he is no hostage.
February 2020
https://youtu.be/nV1XZQ_8eqE

Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007.

Now it barely keeps pace… and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage, then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange, some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the supercharged champion, of the right of the populations of the earth to buy and sell freely among each other.

383728 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to chaos, 12, #19 of 2049 🔗

The Shocking Truth About Health Passports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2IGjIXKfQ

Vernon Coleman

383878 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 23, #20 of 2049 🔗

I Desmond is hounded out of the Conservative Party by these people. Then, those who share his worries for liberty, may join him on the streets. I feel he’s done as good a job as anyone to make the case, but he must know Parliament is being taken over

383934 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #21 of 2049 🔗

The title of “he world’s worst dictator” clearly belongs to the Western regime collective. It’s never one personn- it is the organization of the hyper rich that control the narrative. Xi Jinping is nothing more than a ventriloquist’s puppet. Like all the other glorious ‘leaders’. Compare the living standards of China with those of the U.S. over the last twenty years and tell me who is worse for their own populations.

384400 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #22 of 2049 🔗

Thank goodness there are a few politicians with a shred of integrity. But they sadly have little impact. Where is the covid recovery group? It beggars belief the power of SAGE. They are wielding public health as a weapon. Truly the zealots moment of glory. My personal frustration with pro lockdowers and supporters of covid orthodoxy grows daily……..and Boris is suffering from stockholm syndrome

384553 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #23 of 2049 🔗

Spot on !!

385082 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #24 of 2049 🔗

Redwood voted for the lockdown.

385364 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #25 of 2049 🔗

Someone should reveal to all of us who are the members of S.A.G.E. and what are their connections.

385365 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #26 of 2049 🔗

CNN wants 5 masks.

384056 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 22, #27 of 2049 🔗

I started work in September 1968, as a medical representative visiting GPs and Hospital in South West and South East London. I had no problem meeting my appointment targets as the NHS was fully open. It was over this autumn and winter into 1969 that we had the Hong Kong flu epidemic rampant in the UK and killing far more people than Covid and across all age ranges.
The diference between then and now? Well, 24 hour rolling news and social media….!!

383576 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 19, #28 of 2049 🔗

What Happened To SARS-1?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__DH26S6Kk

Dr. Sam Bailey
173K subscribers
Around 17 years before Covid-19 and what is termed “SARS-CoV-2” there was SARS or SARS-CoV-1. But where did SARS go? And how does it relate to Covid-19?

384037 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #29 of 2049 🔗

She is great!

383577 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 25, #30 of 2049 🔗

Lockdown Stories: My 16-year-old son was suicidal | 26-Jan-21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9JaS2s165Q

A talkRADIO listener has revealed she received a text message from her 16-year-old son explaining lockdown was making him feel suicidal.

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Cathy said she was “naïve” about the effects of the lockdown in March, but now feels like she is “in limbo.”

“We thought we would get on with it. My son is 16 and has always had anxiety. Then March came. Then we had all the uncertainty of being at home, what that meant for him. It all left everything up in the air.

“He worked really hard at school. He had support to keep him on track. All that stopped when he was at home, and we didn’t really know what to do.

“It broke my heart. You don’t expect to see a text message from your own son saying he feels suicidal and he couldn’t take the pressure. I wanted to take that away from him… We were in limbo and we didn’t know what to do.”

383956 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #31 of 2049 🔗

Stop believing the lies. It will help the son when the parents take a stand against this assault on human dignity.

383578 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 15, #32 of 2049 🔗
383600 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #33 of 2049 🔗

With or of?
Very interesting graph in the article and deserves serious investigation

383829 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to houdini, 2, #34 of 2049 🔗

With or of makes no difference. A device to seed confusion. Take care for people calling themselves lockdown sceptics.

This was written in May, last year:
Track And Trace, And The Difference Between Covid-19 And “From/With Coronavirus”

383579 Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #35 of 2049 🔗
383581 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 19, #36 of 2049 🔗

They should make this legal

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open 30th January – I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/

383969 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #37 of 2049 🔗

One cannot break illegal laws hoisted upon the population. The notion stands that Adolf Hitler never broke a law he had written beforehand. These ‘laws’ are crimes against humanity and the Nürnberg trials explicity stated, that “just having follwed orders” is no excuse. In its inversion, You cannot break illegal laws. Mass disobedience works. But the mass has to be united. Opening all shops/businesses is the only way it will work. At least the absolute majority of those who still exist.

384379 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Nottheonly1, 11, #38 of 2049 🔗

“An unjust law is no law”. Preventing people from meeting their families and friends can never be justified in any circumstances.

384515 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Edward, 7, #39 of 2049 🔗

Doesn’t it make You wonder why this important fact is never really understood by those who claim to be ‘law abiding’ citizens? Or in the general assessment of: ‘law abiding citizen = good citizen’ versus ‘unjust law disobeying citizen = bad citizen’, that has now changed to ‘disobeying citizen = domestic terrorist’?

Truly Orwellian times we are confronted with.

384855 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nottheonly1, 2, #40 of 2049 🔗

In Oceania, ‘nothing was illegal, since there were no longer any laws’. .The Thought Police decided what got you into a concentration camp and what didn’t.

384955 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Annie, #41 of 2049 🔗

The planetary owner class never thought of ‘1984’ as being a science fiction novel – but an instruction manual.

385186 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Edward, 2, #42 of 2049 🔗

This regime is also taking out massive loans (actually just digits on a bank balance) with interest due (essentially free money for the banksters). These loans wil be arranged so the creditos have first call on any assets.That interest will have to be paid by future generations, largely the very people forming the small sized business sector that is the heart of the economy. The loans are odious loans and should be publicly repudiated.

383591 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 40, #43 of 2049 🔗

So when we were told we could “bubble” with other people/families it was rather silly, but this space bubble concert in the And Finally… section is just fucking bizarre. They’ve taken it way too literally and I do notice that some people are sharing a bubble. Chairs would be nice and I’m guessing the air in that bubble would get pretty stale. And are you allowed to leave your bubble to go to the washroom? How the hell do you get in and out of a bubble? What are the acoustics like inside a bubble? The bubble might be worth it if you can ditch the mask. It’s late here and I’m becoming delirious. Time for sleep so as to refresh myself for another day of insanity…

383604 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #44 of 2049 🔗

Totally agree, regards from N Bonaparte.

383608 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #45 of 2049 🔗

Hubble bubble, toil and trouble.

383609 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #46 of 2049 🔗

Not to forget yet more use of plastic.

383973 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to ElizaP, 8, #47 of 2049 🔗

Turns out a billion masks ended up in the oceans already. How pathetic is that?

383860 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #48 of 2049 🔗

It’s most likely a stunt, but if it isn’t, the practicalities are astonishingly bad. What if someone farts in a shared bubble?

383904 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to J4mes, 5, #49 of 2049 🔗

Dutch ovens, ramped up to 11!!

383975 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to J4mes, 3, #50 of 2049 🔗

Lots of “it wasn’t me” looks – if it was a silent one…

383917 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #51 of 2049 🔗

When you are given illogical science, illogical government orders. You end up with illogical decisions. I am sure this band just wanted to play. I just have vision’s of them playing their best song, you know the one were everyone jumps around and seeing people disappearing over the hill out of control.

384012 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #52 of 2049 🔗

They should seal the twats inside – guaranteed to stop all diseases.

384906 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to A Heretic, #53 of 2049 🔗

Hahaha!!!

384644 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #54 of 2049 🔗

Looks like a scene from Alien.

383592 Mr Taxpayer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 101, #55 of 2049 🔗

Am I the only one that sees the irony in the Home Secretary standing up in Parliament on Holocaust Memorial Day and telling people they can’t leave the country?

383593 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 25, #56 of 2049 🔗

So much better to stay home (ugh) and enjoy the current holocaust of sanity, decency, humanity and civilisation.

383753 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 33, #57 of 2049 🔗

When I was a child in the Soviet Union people needed exit visas to leave the country – I never thought that my adopted home would stoop to this level
very sad

383933 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 3, #59 of 2049 🔗

And having a go at influences for taking pictures of themselves in the sun. Two points pratty, first jealous much? Secondly that’s how they get fucking paid, its their job. Nobody is going to pay for a picture of them in the UK wrapped up in 5 layers of clothing.

384013 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 7, #60 of 2049 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I know it’s not a laughing matter but FGS this government is the pits!

383596 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 35, #61 of 2049 🔗

Interesting discussion at the tail end of yesterday about people dying after receiving a vaccine.

Lots of anecdotal evidence is appearing. However, one poster reminded us that we need to be sure of facts so that we don’t follow the example of the lockdown zealots.

It seems self evident to me that the vaccines are hastening the deaths of weaker, older people. But how would I confirm that when the MHRA are saying it is all coincidence?

What data is out there to confirm or deny the hypothesis?

383602 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ed Phillips, 17, #62 of 2049 🔗

I think the uk authorities have specifically said they won’t publish anything on this until a later date, by which time it will of course be too late. If the recent Norwegian figures of around 1 in 1000 are any way representative it would indeed account for many of the recent ‘excess’ deaths. But as you rightly say this is nothing more than idle speculation at present.

383979 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Adamb, 9, #63 of 2049 🔗

Isn’t it time to stop calling these people ‘authorities’? These are oppressors by any other name.

383606 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 66, #64 of 2049 🔗

This is a tricky one. If Toby and Co. make too much of it, they’ll be labelled anti- vaxx and maybe closed down, so it’s up to us. Let’s strive to keep tabs on all reports of post-vaxx deaths, and of any statistics that do get out.

Oh, the irony that if you die of anything whatsoever within 28 days of a dodgy test, it’s Covid, but if you die within 28 days or less of getting the vaxx, there’s no connection. You’s think even the zombies would notice, but of course their brains are permanently turned off.

383862 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Annie, 8, #65 of 2049 🔗

I don’t understand. Isn’t it more powerful, and honourable to be punished for doing the right thing? You get what you deserve, and so many people in this country don’t expect to deserve much, evidently. But don’t worry. This gatekeeping operation is for leading you quietly through the process. It won’t get closed down.

New Study Acknowledges Increased Levels Of ACE2 As Factor In Contracting Covid-19; Who Will Take Any Notice?

384214 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to PWL, 6, #66 of 2049 🔗

Unfortunately you are correct, we are being set up to fail. Many people are still under the impression that the police and establishment serve the public.

They use many ways to herd their slaves. Keeping them thinking within the mainstream media narrative is one of them.

383923 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Annie, 7, #67 of 2049 🔗

If you run a website on your own servers using your own web-space, no one can shut you down. Search engines can attempt to block you but I haven’t seen this happen in the long term. Search engines like Startpage now place their own warnings about websites that don’t pertain to their typically hard-left politics, but they don’t block the website.

Of course if the website is acting illegally, that’s a matter for the courts, but I don’t think it’s illegal (yet) to oppose a dodgy vaccine, is it?

383954 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to J4mes, 7, #68 of 2049 🔗

Yes its its not a site that’s earning revenue from advertising that can get pulled because of social media pressure. All the data in April shows the deaths from the virus were 80 plus. This is the same virus, so if people in the 15-65 age group are dying this CANNOT be the virus. We have data from death rates to prove this. Therefore the only logical assumption must be these deaths are being caused by LOCKDOWN. Hennighan FFS where are you man, we need someone to analyse the data.

383980 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Annie, 3, #69 of 2049 🔗

Already living in a nasty dystopia, obviously. Time to create a new language to inform the people of the truth then? It has been done before.

383612 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ed Phillips, 42, #70 of 2049 🔗

7 million people have been jabbed.It
Is conceivable that no one has died after receiving the “vaccine”.
The government are suppressing any negative reporting so you will be unable to challenge the governments position using facts and data.
Be assured the government are killing people in the name of protecting them.
These ‘vaccines’were never tested on the cohort who are now receiving them.

383670 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to jonathan Palmer, 20, #71 of 2049 🔗

There are always injuries or adverse reactions resulting from the application of any medical intervention. They can range from very infrequent and very minor through to more frequent and much more serious. To expect us to accept that nothing at all is going on is another failure of this stupid administration. It will only harden the anti-vaccination stance where it exists.

383958 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to WasSteph, 6, #72 of 2049 🔗

Polarised reaction would be ‘anti vax’ – just as polarised reaction to enforced lockdowns and degrading impoverishment would be anti-lockdown.

The true way to frame this is never in the terms of those who seek to claim a moral high ground from which to frame NOT joining their war as a a betrayal in ‘anti’, ‘denialist’ or ‘terrorist’ terms.

Very very few take responsibility for their own thought and speech such as to effectively think in programmed terms. The lockdown of the mind is achieved with locked in meanings – taken and used as currency. Orwell pointed out the use of language as a weapon and a denial of consciousness.

The ‘creation’ of the ‘anti-thing’ is the generation of the hate and threat as falsely flagged out AWAY from self onto others – who can then be attacked, degraded, denied.

I could tell you all about how this runs as an ‘unconscious bias’ – but this has already been taken as a weapon of the Inquisitor for evil hates and blames – so as to deny the territory of uncovering to an honest open communication of responsibility and choice.

But this reveals the ‘enemy’ for what it is; hate, fear and control – (read that as attack and denial). An anti Life agenda or identity, is set against feared and hated evils, perceived and believed, that it is unwilling or unable to face, to own and to release unto healing.

It is for the proponent of an intervention, protocol or system, to demonstrate its worth or value in terms of cost and benefit – but also at the level of it teaching. For ‘protections’ that teach and condition us to identify as weak and helpless may then appear to save us from the fear, that the proponents of the ‘protection’ target, feed and leverage to induce the fearful to give consent to.

If you chose to enter into such an abusive and tyrannous relationship, then it will be framing your thought, perception, and range of response AS IF your survival on one or more levels of your sense of self and life. To truly think, is to consciously live from and give the worth and vale of your thinking an embodiment in act. Most of what is called thinking is a program for defence set over a sense of nakedness against threat seeking cover.

But WHO told you you were naked?

Spiritual responsibility is reintegrative as the willingness and desire to heal, rather than cast out onto others and world as if to ‘save’ yourself or your identified group’ alone. A split and dissociated mind cannot SEE anything but as fear dictates. The way out of an impossible situation is the recognition that you are not in it. This is to say our current definitions have painted us into a fearful and hateful ‘reality’ – and yet many here can now SEE these definitions are being manipulated in forms of naming magic dressed up in opaque and impenetrable mysteries of ‘science’ as the appeal to authority, yet invoking ‘moral’ outrage as religious fervour against open questioning or revealing of a lack of substance, under a false god of hate and fear given priority and therefore power in our minds.

Thanks – but no thanks!

383800 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #73 of 2049 🔗

So you’ve not read of that 56 year old healthy US doctor that died from the vax then? He’s the first one that came to mind. But there have already been dozens of people killed by it.

383873 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #74 of 2049 🔗

Have 7 million people received a “Covid-19 vaccine”? When an agent of UK Government opens its mouth, it’s lying.

Perhaps the stories about vaccine death are for creating the impression of widespread take up?

Ending Government-By-Hoax By Killing Its Perception Shaping Capability Is Eminently Possible, Continuing Death Of BBC Demonstrates

383656 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #75 of 2049 🔗
383661 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ed Phillips, 19, #76 of 2049 🔗

as one contributor put it yesterday, data is their battleground – fuck data. we are about principle. everything they are doing is repulsively, outrageously WRONG, it is EVIL, and they can shove their data where the sun don’t shine.

384088 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #77 of 2049 🔗

I appreciate the sentiment, but data is meaningless without interpreting structure of consciousness which is a mind of values and meaning.
The adage Garbage in; garbage out – comes to mind as a modern ‘take’ on as you sow so shall you reap. So first principles are the predicate or premise that sets the parameters for all that follows.
A garbage result properly addressed does not attack and deny the ‘garbage’ or reframe the ‘model’ to SEEM to make the garbage disappear while of course the corruption at the level of cause will show up somewhere else – as a redistribution of blame and penalty – that is reflected into social terms as wealth and control.

The recoil of a split off and dissociated mind, desperate for its own survival at all and any cost is judged evil, denied and ‘cast out’ onto others and world.
We are being denied by such a pattern or programming of denial that is ‘contagious’ as hate and fear interpreted as attack and triggering a like response.

Triggered moral outrage can thus so easily give consent to worship hate as righteous in casting out blame hate and attack as if to get rid of it and feel better. THAT we feel what we feel is part of a valid feedback, and to abide it is to open relationship in which the underlying beliefs and past conditioning can be noticed, recognised or brought to question – with the result of releasing deep shit from our own mind to a quality and clarity of presence that had been covered over and masked in as our strategy for surviving our past.

To resist the temptation to evil is a totally different principle than resisting evil in the frame it presents. Where, what and who we choose to come FROM sets the alignment to principle for what we then receive and share in, as our life. This is our inviolable freedom of conscious being, but if given to self contradictory ‘code’ of garbage ‘meanings’ fed back into our mind, we use freedom to achieve the experience of bondage and slavery under tyrannous dictate – or a ‘mind’ that cannot be looked at – let alone held to question.

Clearly this is not just in ‘psychic-paths’ but in a sense installed in the population at large as our ‘normal’ or human conditioning – set as the parameters to live and die in. Except that there’s no life or love or peace in it. Only hollow parody of substitute illusions set in narrative dictate. Breaking the isolation is letting love in, and the condition for such a reconnection with our very being, is the willingness to extend it, for such is the nature of love, not a systemic correctness by which to ‘save our face’ in a realm of appearances given ‘locked down’ meanings that render life meaningless.

383710 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #78 of 2049 🔗

Old people (especially those in care homes) already die frequently. I think the life expectancy after arrival is around 2 years? No family is going to subject a loved one to the current care home conditions unless they absolutely have to and can’t cope eg not strong enough to lift/bathe them etc, hence I imagine the current population are extra frail.
Add to that that the NHS won’t give them hospital treatment if they are sick, that they are probably ready to die rather than live depressed and isolated in a dystopia and are probably suffering from lower immunity recently.
So I dunno…I’m sceptical that vaccines are killing them but I wouldn’t be a skeptic if I wasn’t!

383720 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #79 of 2049 🔗

True sceptics are sceptical of their own scepticism.

383773 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #80 of 2049 🔗

I thought the figures for Gibraltar were rather telling.

383888 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #82 of 2049 🔗

Local Live today worries us about the record number of cases in the NHS Region and then goes on to tell us the authorities are concerned about outbreaks of Covid in more than a dozen nursing homes this month.

(which had previously escaped infection since last March but they don’t say that bit) I reported on two of these earlier this month.

Post vaccine Covid ? Who knows ?

383597 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 75, #83 of 2049 🔗

Looks like I am to be taken by a cattle truck to an interment camp when I return to the UK from South Africa. I left the UK perfectly legally to be with my family over Christmas but return to be imprisoned without trial but with a negative covid test.

It beggars belief.

383605 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Stephen Williams, 15, #84 of 2049 🔗

I imagine the so called security guards and those organising the buses will be of the Covid Marshall type, enjoying their new power role. Pack some comfort food, some good reading material and maybe a bottle of Gordon’s.

383620 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Hattie, 9, #85 of 2049 🔗

Address them as Herr Kommandant

383678 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Niborxof, 5, #86 of 2049 🔗

We do have a history of escaping from these kind of places with the help of any Tom, Dick or Harry.

384020 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Niborxof, 1, #87 of 2049 🔗

Sturmbannführer, they want to be called. Some of course, Obersturmbannführer.

384183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nottheonly1, 2, #88 of 2049 🔗

Using these terms will go by the security staff, they will not be able to put two and two together as they have not been educated about this.

384241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Silke David, 2, #89 of 2049 🔗

Of course not. History is written by the alleged victors. The universal truth however is, that those who do the bidding of the oppressors will be the first to see the raddishes from below. As an old German proverb states. (Die Radieschen von unten sehen.)
Not really sure though if the people so easily be duped can be educated at all. They are just too prone to regime propaganda – until their country lays in shambles.

383640 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Hattie, 5, #90 of 2049 🔗

Thinking out aloud here but I’d make that a case of Gordans

383749 ▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Hattie, 6, #91 of 2049 🔗

A bottle? For 10 days? I think I’d max the luggage allowance out with drink alone

383607 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Stephen Williams, 4, #92 of 2049 🔗

It really does. Stay there?? Weather must be better! Out of interest, what is life like over there? Masks outdoors everywhere etc? Many times this winter I’ve fantasised of escaping to Cape Town but not sure the reality would be much better than the uk, except for the climate..

383616 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Stephen Williams, 7, #93 of 2049 🔗

Stephen, what do the rules say? Can you go somewhere else for 14 days before you return and then not count as having come from SA? France, say? Look into it – it would almost certainly be cheaper to take an extra two week holiday somewhere else if it gets you out of paying for, and putting up with quarantine here in the UK.

384029 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to this is my username, 2, #94 of 2049 🔗

That would only work if the oppressors don’t look at the stamps in your passport.

384279 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Nottheonly1, #95 of 2049 🔗

Not true – previously you could travel via another country as long as you were there for long enough.

384301 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to this is my username, 1, #96 of 2049 🔗

Emphasis on ‘previously’ – but what is nowadays as it was previously. As someone who traveled the world, I was always facing scrutiny at re-entering the U.S.
Immigrations officers always looked at the entry/exit stamps closely. But I don’t know how it is now under the fake pandemic. Nor how the UK immigration agents treat their citizens at re-entry now. My guess it’s also very different now then when I was in the UK during the mid/late 80’s.

383622 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Stephen Williams, 15, #97 of 2049 🔗

I would stay where you are if I was you. Not many 1930’s Jews returned to Germany once they had got out

383654 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 4, #98 of 2049 🔗

yeh, just head slightly north to Tanzania and claim asylum there. you’ll be closer to your family anyway.

383673 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Stephen Williams, 3, #99 of 2049 🔗

Your “postcard from UK government quarantine” will be interesting. I look forward to reading it.

383721 ▶▶ sunny66, replying to Stephen Williams, 3, #100 of 2049 🔗

Total insanity!

383932 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stephen Williams, 5, #101 of 2049 🔗

There was a successful case brought in the Netherlands stating that preventing a citizen returning to their country was against human rights.

As with many other aspects of this, the UK legal eagles remain silent because people are dying

384022 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Stephen Williams, 8, #102 of 2049 🔗

There was an article last year about lawyers in the UK speaking out about lockdowns. I’ll try and find it again. Please contact them upfront. Otherwise please document the journey on your phone – try and film as much as you can to have evidence for court.
I have lost so much hope about the UK. When my fuses ignite over sending people to quarantine camps, the brainwashed masses just shrug shoulders and say “oh but he could be infectious”. It’s beyond anything I imagined could ever happen in the UK. How long before dissenting voices like us will be sent to re-education camps?

384482 ▶▶ chas cowie, replying to Stephen Williams, 2, #103 of 2049 🔗

Looks like I am going to be joining you next week when I fly back from South Africa.

383598 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 109, #104 of 2049 🔗

Interested to see the item above concerning ‘young girlism’ seeing P.M. Johnson recently various politically incorrect phrases come to mind, so my apologies I could not think how else to put it; wittering, timorous, cowering, big girl’s blouse who needs to ‘man-up’ and get a grip or get out. All this ‘stay safe’ protect the NHS’; save lives is no way to live. When the sparrowhawk takes down a pigeon or the local fox hunts down a rabbit, the local rabbit and pigeon population do not go into despair, it’s what happens, they just carry on.

As I see it 99.85% of the UK population have not died of/with/maybe covid, even if they managed to double the dodgy deaths to 200,000 that would still only be 0.3% of the population. At the same time despite a falling birth rate nonetheless more people were born in the UK in 2020 than died.
Surely it is the job of the Government to come clean tells the population that yes some people are going to die, this virus can be nasty but we need to ‘man-up’ and face it, remembering that over 99% of the population will not die from this virus, there are a lot of babies being born in the UK and we must run a dynamic go ahead country for the benefit of the living.

383603 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #105 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for that nugget of common sense and realism Steve. Absolutely agree with you.

383664 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #106 of 2049 🔗

The longer the gov’t refuses to acknowledge the basic common sense you mention, along with the fact that the death rate was 0.9% in 2019 and 1.0% in 2020…hardly a ‘pandemic’ and stop the fearmongering – the greater the credence for ‘conspiracy theories’ and worries about a ‘great reset’. As I told colleagues who asked me ‘what the hell is going on’, my answer was wait until end of March, if nothing changes after March, then you have the answer.

384677 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to FerdIII, 2, #107 of 2049 🔗

Absolutely, although even March may be too soon the way these cunts are stringing this out. I’d go one further and say let’s wait to see what happens in autumn with the German general election.

The AfD are gonna be making a lot of noise – hopefully we’ll hear and see some of it.

383690 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #108 of 2049 🔗

Unfortunately, facts not verified by the models are irrelevant.

383962 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #109 of 2049 🔗

Well, given that all this is true, we are screwed.

The whole establishment is soft and girly. Until one of their own is under attack.

Not one of them is going to speak such heretical truths in this age of spineless whimsy and magical thinking.

The enlightenment has been snuffed out in my lifetime.

383967 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #110 of 2049 🔗

Yes great point Steve. I would only add, why have the government not clicked back to zero. I know i was locked up an all but didn’t we just start a new year? How are you supposed to compare month on month if you just keep the totals going.

384140 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #111 of 2049 🔗

They can’t tell us to ‘man up’ (dread term) now Steve because that would be tantamount so saying they’ve pursued the wrong policy.

384652 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Steve Martindale, #112 of 2049 🔗

Agree emphatically.

Hovering over the rabbit hole, I see in its depths scrumpled paper that cost a fortune to compile on which is written: UK Pandemic Response. There are other pieces of paper that cost many more fortunes and are in different languages (some of which I never even knew existed), and none had the fore thought to suggest adopting prison protocols.

Inexplicably, the entire world has dumped all previous knowledge and the rabbits are understandably pissed right off.

They keep telling me that they’re preparing for a further paper dump of currencies – I think the bear tipped them off as he felt sorry for them after wiping his arse with rabbits and realizing they no longer had space in their hole for a shower.

I think we need a bigger hole.

383599 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 59, #113 of 2049 🔗

Having to show evidence for purpose of flight and be at the hands of some hi-viz stasi to decide whether they will accept it, I feel is a spiteful gesture by Priti because she didn’t get her way on a total ban. There is no evidence any new strains are more serious, and are these strains or mutations, as have not 50,000 already been identified. There will always be some new virus, so what is Patel’s answer – we exist in an isolated country, fearing normal life events and illnesses, mired in abject poverty and misery. The cruel irony was that this year should have been the year of our independence, forging a path internationally and instead we are shutting down to the world.
What is really getting to me is that a hypothetical threat is not an adequate excuse to ban movement and certainly not under any international human rights laws which protect the right of movement – why are none of these international laws, including those protecting individuals from vaccine coercion, not being cited by those many human rights lawyers that once littered the msm with their crusade for the deported criminal and their right to family life and free movement.
Really, if any crackpot, irrational law can be implemented at will, by any deluded member of the government, as seems to be absolutely now the case, I can’t see a way out, as all checks and balances which should have been there to protect us, have literally turned to dust and blown away in this tyrannical wind.

383613 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Hattie, 45, #114 of 2049 🔗

Absolutely! THE most fundamental human right we have is control of our own body. We are the ones having to live in that body from birth to death. We are the ones that suffer any pain/illness it gets. So where indeed are the human rights lawyers in this case? Already we see lots of employees forced to wear masks and have invasive tests by some employers. Already there are staff that have even been blackmailed into having the vax by their employers (recalling recent article about a doctor forcing her staff to do so – whether they themselves had chosen that or no) and the more bratty/entitled type parents are already demanding teachers should have the vax and one can see there might be schools blackmailing teachers into having the vax or lose their jobs. Goodness knows I don’t feel any sympathy for all those teachers that are thoroughly enjoying doing less work for the same money – but there will be “real” teachers amongst them, that genuinely do want to just get on and do their job properly and I feel sorry for the genuine teachers amongst all the wittering/scaredy ones that they have for colleagues.

384077 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to ElizaP, 3, #115 of 2049 🔗

Dr. Fuellmich is one of them. Have not heard any updates, yet though. Need to go to his website.

384513 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ElizaP, 5, #116 of 2049 🔗

Starmer was a Human Rights lawyer although you wouldn’t think so, as it’s clear he doesn’t care about OUR Human rights.

384866 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #117 of 2049 🔗

Blair’s wife is one as well. Not our rights, of course, unless we’re illegal immigrants.

383645 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hattie, 31, #118 of 2049 🔗

human rights laws are like bank loans: they are only available to you when you don’t actually need them

383649 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 14, #119 of 2049 🔗

Makes you wonder what’s the point of them eh?

I get the feeling the reason why human rights lawyers are conspicuous by their absence and silence is because we don’t fit into their Messiah complex.

383978 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #120 of 2049 🔗

Oh but when this is all over……. have you lost a loved one because of the vaccine? Dial now to our team of lawyers are waiting for your call.

384079 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #121 of 2049 🔗

Bingo .

383983 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Hattie, 14, #122 of 2049 🔗

Indeed, we have no protection from “government” oppression and the complicit “opposition”. Moreover, except for a courageous few , we have been abandoned by

Pliant “representatives”
Corrupt media
Co-opted military
Lawless “police”
Dishonest doctors
Faithless clergy
Brainwashed public…

We have to fight to destroy the vicious inhumanity ushering us towards perpetual servitude.

384075 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #123 of 2049 🔗

You surely remember the most prominent slogan “I’d rather be dead – than red!”?

I’d rather be dead – than grated in reset.

383601 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 24, #124 of 2049 🔗

Again the Leading column slowly catches up with reality.
The day after Johnson announced lockdown until February it was legislated to last until March 31.
Furlough runs to April.
It doesn’t take a genius to work out where we are going.
The announcement on schools is due to the growing pressure for them to return.I don’t think they will return until after Easter.

383610 ▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 42, #125 of 2049 🔗

Keep up the pressure, though.
I think the real reason for keeping schools closed is that the bustle of delivering and picking up children, and the sight of uniformed schoolchildren in the streets, gives an impression of normality and the Fascists hate that, because it runs counter to their terror narrative.

383630 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Annie, #126 of 2049 🔗

On one point I’d disagree – fascists like seeing citizens in uniform. This desire to see children in uniform is a strangely Anglo centric outlook. The UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand. Personally I regard putting children in uniform as a form of paedophilia and as such, do not support it.

383671 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #127 of 2049 🔗

Like it or not, it is normal in the UK.

383922 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #129 of 2049 🔗

Sorry Ewan but thats utter rubbish.

383996 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #130 of 2049 🔗

And China, Japan, India, Mexico, Colombia, parts of Russia … but hey, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story :eyeroll

384094 ▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Annie, 1, #131 of 2049 🔗

Not if the uniforms are brown.

383618 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jonathan Palmer, 30, #132 of 2049 🔗

Personally, having seen Lockdown coming about 2 years before it started (from intuition – so I can’t quote you factual proof for that one) my own take is that it will continue on into next year (again from intuition – and, from my own pov, I don’t believe it will last long enough for me to get into the over-70’s “ooh you are SUCH a bigger risk now/so better lock yourself indoors for life” agegroup). So I hit 70 in January 2023 – and hence my own personal belief Lockdown will be gone before that aspect comes up. My take as to the “how” of why it will be gone boils down pretty much to lots of people will have shown up as having vax injuries and deaths before then and even a lot of the sheeple will have woken up accordingly by then. Added that the Magic Money Tree can only keep paying out for people to be on furlough for so long and I believe furlough will be over at some point this year and, at that point, all the spoilt brats that think Lockdown doesn’t affect them that much will have to re-emerge from their hobbit holes and many of them will find their jobs will vanish once their employer has to pay them as normal again.

383659 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ElizaP, 6, #133 of 2049 🔗

Nice to be optimistic.
‘So I hit 70 in January 2023 – and hence my own personal belief Lockdown will be gone before that aspect comes up.’

It is healthy. As mom said, expect the best, plan for the worst. If people are dying from the Vaxx we won’t hear about it. According to the markets, the GBP is gaining value and has gained value during the LDs….figure that one out. Interest rates at 0 or negative and this gov’t can borrow and print until their eyes bleed.

383998 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to ElizaP, 7, #134 of 2049 🔗

It ain’t gonna end unless enough people say so.

383653 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #135 of 2049 🔗

Optimistic are you? I don’t see the schools re-opening at all. By Feb – March new ‘variants’, dead count will double, mass hysteria by the ‘Teachers’ who will claim that 99% will die from exposure to the new ‘Greenland variant’ etc etc. No chance they open.

383821 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 3, #136 of 2049 🔗

I do see them re-opening at some point – because of the huge number of downsides just to the pupils themselves. Add in those parents that don’t want to home school also putting on pressure from their own pov. The only plus side I can see to schools shut is that some pupils that land up getting homeschooled because of Lockdown might prefer to stay homeschooled afterwards (eg those made to go to a Welsh/Irish/Scottish language school against their will – which is certainly something I’ve heard of happening, with living in those 3 counties in West Wales).

384009 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to ElizaP, 5, #137 of 2049 🔗

Things will reopen when the government can present a face saving excuse of ‘we beat this virus folks’, back slaps all round, a media that supports the narrative, a few gongs dished out to SAGE members and move on to the next issue. Nothing to see here!

384024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Alan P, 4, #138 of 2049 🔗

That’s what I thought. But then that could have happened in July. Cases minimal, no deaths. Yes we have it beaten. Switch to LFT testing, cases dissappear and everything open. And then they didn’t. They then mandated masks, I then knew we were fucked and are never getting out of this.

384014 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ElizaP, 4, #139 of 2049 🔗

But what science can get them back? There is a shit load (see i can use scientific terms) of data showing a tiny amount of spread from kids to teachers and no deaths and absolutely no spread the other way. So what would convince teachers to go back to work? What exactly are you afraid of? What idiocy suggests vaccination for all teachers? You know you can still catch and pass on the disease so how has that improved things. And in the meantime using your logic you have taken a vaccination away from granny. So you are killing granny! With this application of your logic you cannot go back to doing your job till covid is gone. Well that’s fucking never.

383943 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FerdIII, 5, #140 of 2049 🔗

I’ll be surprised if the schools reopen before the summer.

In the long term though, the state needs the schools for two things. Brainwashing purposes, and freeing parents up to be tax-cattle.

There will come a point where the govt will, as a matter of its own survival, have to confront the teachers unions. I’d tell them that if we’re Zoom-schooling any longer, we don’t need half of your members.

383611 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #141 of 2049 🔗

Biden’s Bird Slaughter: Green New Deal’s Wind Turbines Will Kill 1,000,000 Birds Annually
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/01/28/bidens-bird-slaughter-green-new-deals-wind-turbines-will-kill-1000000-birds-annually/

383651 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #142 of 2049 🔗

This is Doris’ ‘guilt free’ energy plan as well. He wants all energy running on the bird choppers and the slave-premised solar panels which wipe out local ecology and generate not much.

383927 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FerdIII, 4, #143 of 2049 🔗

Maybe a good idea to attach him to one.

384033 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #144 of 2049 🔗

That would be funny. But a bit unbalanced and might not last long. No wait, if we tied handjob and Twatty at the other end (the two of them probably weight as much as one fat pig dictator) that should do the job. Faster, faster!!

384530 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to FerdIII, #145 of 2049 🔗

As this is a forum to share ideas and concepts, what do the green energy critics propose to create energy into any future.. just curious.

383614 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 140, #146 of 2049 🔗

After vaccinations were administered at a care home in Basingstoke, twenty-two of the residents died.

A spokesperson for the MHRA said they were saddened by the deaths but said they were not linked to the vaccine patients might have received, saying: “We are saddened to hear about any deaths which have occurred since receiving COVID-19 vaccination. However, our surveillance does not suggest that the COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to any deaths.

“It is not unexpected that some of these people may naturally fall ill due to their age or underlying conditions shortly after being vaccinated, without the vaccine playing any role in that.

So the agency that provided approval for a product that has not completed the trial stage knows (without any evidence) that the product it prematurely approved did not cause the deaths, and that the timing of vaccinations and deaths is purely coincidental.

The number of people and the short time scale surely mean that the authorities are duty bound to conduct a proper investigation, rather than just offer an obviously insincere expression of feeling, and an equally obviously incredible denial. The MHRA’s response is nothing more than a self-serving statement.

I do not know what the residents died of. But I think the coincidence explanation is much less likely than the vaccine induced explanation. The only way to know is if a proper investigation is conducted. Failing to conduct such an investigation and simply dismissing the deaths as coincidental can only result in raising suspicions that the MHRA is determined to hide something, has an ulterior motive, and is acting contrary to its responsibilities and duties, and contrary to the public good.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/19043944.amp/?fbclid=IwAR2efiS7op5yDnFT5KxxL7bkhZzB3Y_pyUu-1Tf2U4cdlq2X8Sy3Nn4iY_4

383619 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #147 of 2049 🔗

surely autopsies should solve it

383623 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 61, #148 of 2049 🔗

Autopsies are something the government, under its coronavirus legislation, has actively suppressed.

383628 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #149 of 2049 🔗

madness – just in case the vaccine does push very frail people over the edge you’d think they’d want to know about it quickly so they could stop doing it. I suspected it would – the side-effects could be quite unpleasant in the healthy test subjects. Anything can push a frail 100 year old over the edge – including the stress of lockdown, not seeing your friends and relatives and being surrounded by people in hazmat suits sticking things up your nose regularly.

383637 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 37, #150 of 2049 🔗

you’d think they’d want to know about it quickly so they could stop doing it.

unless killing them is actually the point: ramp up the fake covid death toll; ramp up the fear; shake off the burden of the elderly: what’s not to like?

383801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JaneHarry, 10, #151 of 2049 🔗

Not to mention dealing with the costs of social care of the elderly, which both Tories and Labour promised.

Extremely radical method though.

385381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #152 of 2049 🔗

Yes, I’ve long worried about what they will do about the demographic crisis of an ageing population. Given they are already killing the very young, I suppose one should not be entirely surprised if they find ways of dispatching the very old and vulnerable. I wouldn’t want to be an elderly person in a care home with no family and friends I could rely on.

383667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 22, #153 of 2049 🔗

Frail centenarians cost a lot of money to keep. The vaccine is providential from that point of view.

383686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 18, #154 of 2049 🔗

Yes remember the DNR notices attached to the old in the NHS? That caused an outrage, so this is quieter and easier.

383834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 17, #155 of 2049 🔗

That phrase “useless eaters” coming to mind again. After all, I gather the Government/NHS start looking at us all a bit sideways once we hit 60 and start to reckon we’re a bit “surplus to requirements” steadily from that age onwards. After all – we’ve brought up any children we’ve had and many of us aren’t exactly ‘fit and well’ to work and, if we are, then our skills and work attitudes are deemed to be outdated to a large extent. Here speaks the voice of an office worker that started work prior to computers taking over everything and prior to office workers also being expected to do things like antisocial hours working.

383910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to ElizaP, 23, #156 of 2049 🔗

Retired and semi retired folk are crucial to society – providing child care, raising much needed money for a huge number of charities, generally making the wheels go round in most communities in fact.
Think of of them as glue – and you can then realise why so much has come unstuck in society now that we’ve been locked up for 10 months.

383935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to bluemoon, 8, #157 of 2049 🔗

Very good point and its true so much has fallen apart and society has become more atomised.

384539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to bluemoon, 5, #158 of 2049 🔗

Also keeping many charities and groups going by volunteering on a regular basis.

385384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ElizaP, #159 of 2049 🔗

Surplus to requirements indeed. See my above post.

384345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, 6, #160 of 2049 🔗

The “vaccines” are clearly meant to push old people and some others over the edge. There will be stronger versions to come. This should be no surprise, as the Great Depopulator Bill Gates is behind this insane campaign to vaccinate the world with these liability free biological agents.

385386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, #161 of 2049 🔗

Cor, their producers must have dollar signs in their eyes!

384949 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to steve_w, 2, #162 of 2049 🔗

My view is that is their goal is to kill the old people or else why haven’t they stopped vaccinating them when so many have died???

383761 ▶▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #163 of 2049 🔗

My dad told me a friend of his died from cancer just before Christmas; a totally expected death, he’d been ill for ages and had discharged himself from hospital to die at home. A doctor told the family that for £200 he’d put covid on the death certificate and there’d be no need for an autopsy.

(Now my dad wouldn’t make this kind of thing up, but a bit of research suggests that expected cancer deaths don’t routinely get autopsied and the cost of a death certificate is £11, so I’d appreciate other’s input into this as I don’t want to be outraged at a misunderstanding. I’m saving my outrage for where it’s most needed!)

383784 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to landt2020, 16, #164 of 2049 🔗

A colleague on the railway forum I frequent suddenly died last week, initially from heart failure. But an autopsy apparently was done and he was found riddled with cancer. As far as I know Covid has not been mentioned but it goes to show how many cancer cases are being missed during these times.

384156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to landt2020, 5, #165 of 2049 🔗

This doctor is maybe a drug addict or gambler?
Why would someone with his paygrade ask for £200?

384192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Silke David, 6, #166 of 2049 🔗

More likely this might be some kind of routine payment to GP’s..

384679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, 4, #167 of 2049 🔗

Lots of £200s will add to a tidy sum.

384956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Silke David, 1, #168 of 2049 🔗

It’s absolutely shocking!

384716 ▶▶▶▶▶ ogri, replying to landt2020, 8, #169 of 2049 🔗

Listen to Dolores Cahill talking to Reiner Fuellmich https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/
At about 20 mins she says that if a doctor is treating a patient for cancer and then puts covid on the death cert then that is medical negligence and is a striking off offence, this applies in Ireland and England.

Video is 28 mins well worth watching, a lot of good info.

384782 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to landt2020, 2, #170 of 2049 🔗

Post Mortem is (was?) standard if someone dies at home, rather than in hospital.
I thought autopsies had been as good as banned though?

384960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #171 of 2049 🔗

Not banned, but discouraged and now we know why.

383981 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to steve_w, 7, #172 of 2049 🔗

they wont do them, which is why they are covid deaths, the normal protocols will not apply.

383632 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #173 of 2049 🔗

“ However, our surveillance does not suggest that the COVID-19 vaccines have contributed to any deaths

yeh, I’ll bet it doesn’t.

383652 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 14, #174 of 2049 🔗

The word “surveillance” is open to a wide variety of meanings. In this context I suspect it means nothing in practice.

383641 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #175 of 2049 🔗

I totally agree. I wonder how many deaths this home would normally have at this time of year. I bet it is a lot less.

383648 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janette, 8, #176 of 2049 🔗

I think the total capacity for the care home is seventy-two.
The owners are currently advertising for new residents. https://www.averyhealthcare.co.uk/care-homes/hampshire/basingstoke/pemberley-house/

383669 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #177 of 2049 🔗

Dilly dilly, dilly dilly, come and be killed.

383704 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #178 of 2049 🔗

My experience of these homes when my mother was ill is that they are rarely full so that is 22 deaths out of a maximum of 72 (presumably not all residents were vaccinated if any due diligence was done at all). So that is at best 30% “coincidental” deaths. At worst much higher.
Certainly we all know that these residents are all approaching end of life and the average life expectancy once entering care is less than 2 years but this is clearly a blip of some sort deserving thorough investigation.

384680 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to WasSteph, 1, #179 of 2049 🔗

Is it a blip? This is not the fist story along these lines.

384066 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #180 of 2049 🔗

Hardly worth changing the sheets.

384170 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #181 of 2049 🔗

How many care homes, especially independent ones, will go bust as people will be reluctant to go into care.

On my leafleting rounds I look out for houses which have keyboxes and do not bother there. And there a lot.
For a relatively small town (50k) and surrounding villages, we have a lot of care agencies and they are constantly recruiting for home care.
People will only enter care homes when it is absolutely necessary.

384979 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, 3, #182 of 2049 🔗

If a home with 72 places had 22 deaths over the space of week or so it should be a police matter, but now no one cares. It is in reality still a police matter and those who should be investigated should be the vaccine makers, the government, both politicians and its paid advisors. This couldn’t be much more serious.

This appears to be a genocide and we were warned early on, that this sort of thing would happen. Bad as things are, we are still only at the thin end of the wedge and very clearly many more vaccine deaths are still to come.

385393 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, 1, #183 of 2049 🔗

Ad the care home. Remember Stepping Hill? Remember Haroold Shipman?

383716 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #184 of 2049 🔗

there seem to be too many of these incidents occuring to be sheer coincidence in my opinion. See about gibraltar where deaths increased after the vaxx was administered – was mentioned on here some days ago.

383804 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to penelope pitstop, 11, #185 of 2049 🔗

Apparently one of the first things that a police detective learns is that, ‘There are no such things as coincidences’.

384684 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basileus, 4, #186 of 2049 🔗

Yes indeed. Twenty two coincidences, yeah sure.

383747 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #187 of 2049 🔗

Exactly the same thing has happened in several US care home. Murder in front of TV and everybody wishing for more.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cpQ7dnqu0Sos/

383771 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #188 of 2049 🔗

I have circulated that link on another forum I frequent, we need to ‘spread the word’.

384061 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #189 of 2049 🔗

Part of the reason this can be so successfully “ruled out” is because they laid the groundwork for “vaccines are safe” for several decades. Every bit about vaccine injury has been suppressed successfully. Questioning vaccines is like questioning the monarchy here in the UK – thou shalt not question them under any circumstance. They are the holy grail of modern medicine despite many speaking to the contrary.
Further most people wouldn’t know how a vaccine can actually kill anyone – unless you spent time reading up on ADE and why there has never been a successful Coronavirus vaccine before. Please look up Dr Doug Carrigan and his article “Are Coronavirus vaccines a ticking time bomb?” – the answer by the way is a resounding yes, called the cytokine storm. That’s why it is so important to educate people around you about this – to the extent possible – and why this is a potentially long-term devil’s bargain taking this vaccine. Most people don’t know about informed consent document or for that matter that the marvelous pharmaceuticals have been made exempt from liability from first day of running their “trials”… the cognitive dissonance beggars belief, but I do believe next winter will be worse than this – precisely because the cytokine storm will hit and because they will sell it as a new more aggressive variant that’s killing more people… thus more lockdown…! You see what an ingenious devilish plan this is..? I am losing hope the UK will snap out of their trance in time and that many many people will suffer unnecessarily.

384437 ▶▶▶ Alex, replying to Pebbles, 6, #190 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for the link Pebbles. I wasn’t going to have the vaccine before reading this. I’m definitely not going to now. Unfortunately, my husband who has COPD will be taking it. I don’t want him to and have tried to persuade him otherwise, but at the end of the day it his body and therefore his choice. I am pretty scared…

385172 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Pebbles, 2, #191 of 2049 🔗

it occurred to me last night that the FDA would be all over this. And they are a surprisingly transparent organisation. All their documentation is available online. And their experts WILL have considered ADE as a risk.

And so they have. In the EUA paperwork they say that they cannot rule it out. No evidence of it, but no evidence to say it’s safe either. And there wouldn’t be evidence at this point, as you need immunity to wane before it’s a problem. It takes time to become apparent.

385398 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Pebbles, #192 of 2049 🔗

The monarch has had the vaccine…

384072 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #193 of 2049 🔗

Surely someone should ask. What’s the usual fatality rate? One, two a month? One a week? Surely this MUST be exceptional, and we just accept it? At any other time, in any society this is above and beyond what is acceptable. Previously what were your worst figures for death in one week? Why are the police not knocking at your door?

384163 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #194 of 2049 🔗

These people were so frail they should not of been given a jab that stimulated their T cells. The so-called vaccination had only been tested on the fit and healthy under 50’s. Tells you all you need to know.

384726 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #195 of 2049 🔗
384750 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to John Galt, 4, #196 of 2049 🔗

And what a surprise, it doesn’t mention that they were vaccinated.

383615 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #197 of 2049 🔗

Gibraltar has jumped to the top of the worldometer death league

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

383621 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 18, #198 of 2049 🔗

Its spike in deaths coincides with its roll out of the vaccine. The Gibraltar authorities say only “discredited” individuals are pointing this out.

383624 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #199 of 2049 🔗

more info here

https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/deaths-within-28-days-of-covid-vaccination

Its completely reasonable to point it out. Like it was reasonable to point out that cholera deaths in London were associated with certain water sources. Anybody trying to discourage people even pointing it out is an anti-science loon with a malicious agenda

383663 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 6, #200 of 2049 🔗

And cholera killed thousands before the SAGEs of that time abandoned the miasma theory.

384155 ▶▶▶ Teebs, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #201 of 2049 🔗

Sorry to be “discredited” but check out Israel and UAE on the worldometer. Serious surge in cases and deaths “coinciding” with vaccine roll-out. These are the two most heavily vaccinated populations in the world so far. (Gibraltar probably higher per capita though.)

A lot of coincidences starting to build up.

383660 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 6, #202 of 2049 🔗

It’s all our fault for going outside and breathing in their direction.

383939 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 4, #203 of 2049 🔗

Or maybe just for breathing full stop in the case of sceptics!

384086 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 3, #204 of 2049 🔗

Could we start a twitter thread saying if you walk past someone you should, out of courtesy hold your breath. You should start this process 5 yards before and after. Get all the zealots on board. Then walk as slowly as you can past them and see them all turning blue. Might make them realise the importance of breathing!!

383617 Cecil B, 7, #205 of 2049 🔗

Ah! so the airport prisons are to be run by PHE

Anyone told them yet?

383625 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #206 of 2049 🔗

If you’re confident your blood pressure can cope, read this. So awful in so many ways.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tony-blair-believes-covid-crisis-demands-completely-different/

383627 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adamb, 16, #207 of 2049 🔗

Sorry, just the title of that story has sent it soaring!

383631 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adamb, 7, #208 of 2049 🔗

Even my blood pressure can’t cope with the headline. Sorry.

383636 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Adamb, 14, #209 of 2049 🔗

That man is evil

383643 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Adamb, 19, #210 of 2049 🔗

Yes, and like the other Telegraph Blair article, no comments allowed.

I’m getting very pissed off with The Telegraph , and The Spectator – both seem to have been got at, or paid off.

My God, Blair is an odious creature. A truly vile odious creature. Happy to say I realised this well before 1997.

383662 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to TJN, 6, #211 of 2049 🔗

The author Paul Nuki has his own agenda too I think.

383681 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Adamb, 3, #212 of 2049 🔗

I stopped reading him a few months ago when he revealed by way of an aside that he thought biological race was a construct despite the well-known differences in inherent make-up producing a need for different treatment of some conditions. A medical correspondent who effectively doesn’t believe in evolution or DNA is no good to me.

383827 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Adamb, 3, #213 of 2049 🔗

Didn’t someone say he was part Gates funded?

Don’t know if this is correct or not (everything bad seems to be Gates funded at the moment).

383849 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TJN, 3, #214 of 2049 🔗

He’s on my “hit list” – ie the one that goes = if I could only go back in time and ensure his parents never met list.

383928 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ElizaP, 2, #215 of 2049 🔗

Yes, he’s one of those characters for whom it might truly be said that the world be a better place had he never been born.

383782 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Adamb, 10, #216 of 2049 🔗

Blimey it hurts so much wrong in one paragraph:

“He (Tony Blair) was early in seeing that face-masks and visors would become necessary for key workers and the wider public; he was big on mass testing before others; and he was first to propose a longer gap between vaccine doses in order to protect more vulnerable people quickly.”

Face-masks now demonstrated to be pointless and anxiety inducing. Mass testing has proved ineffective in “controlling” the virus and is only effective in increasing anxiety. The longer gap between vaccine doses not recommended by anyone qualified only politicians.

383832 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dan L, 8, #217 of 2049 🔗

Yes, that paragraph struck me too. You’d think it was an ironic piss take; but no, they’re serious.

What a vile piece of work Blair is.

383952 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to TJN, 4, #218 of 2049 🔗

The whole article is an interesting insight into the mind of a monster too. Bill Gates is similar I don’t think they are evil but they just have no principles anything goes as long it serves utilitarian ends.

384097 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dan L, 4, #219 of 2049 🔗

When I see people like that one phrase keeps coming to mid: ‘The banality of evil’.

383626 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 18, #220 of 2049 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/outbreaks-in-private-homes-and-childcare-facilities-on-rise-as-experts-warn-new-case-numbers-fail-to-reflect-true-level-of-infection-40021103.html

Confine everyone to their homes and express surprise when outbreaks of the “illness” (more like positive PCR tests at 40-45 cycles) occurs primarily in homes. It must be great to be an expert.

383629 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #221 of 2049 🔗

it’s actually terrifying, because it’s the gateway to the gulag: they will start snatching us from our homes: the WHO threatened us with this very early on

383763 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #222 of 2049 🔗

Cue outraged headlines about rises in infection rates in gulags…

On the plus side, and by this logic, I bet pubs and restaurants have almost no reported outbreaks at the moment!

383957 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #223 of 2049 🔗

With the quarantine hotels, they now have the infrastructure to take you out of your home for two weeks.

384424 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #224 of 2049 🔗

As the bank robber said when asked why he robbed banks: “That’s where the money is”.

383633 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 19, #225 of 2049 🔗

How many people have died within 28 days of taking the Covid vaccine?

383638 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steeve, 7, #226 of 2049 🔗

When will the government publish the data and give us daily up dates?

383658 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #227 of 2049 🔗

Ha ha, ever so ha.

383642 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Steeve, 15, #228 of 2049 🔗

The CDC in the USA has a website “Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System”.
On 15 Jan it reported 181 deaths.
It is now “temporarily down”. Callers are asked to try later.
I suspect the true number of deaths will never be known as all deaths will be put down to pre-existing conditions, in stark contrast to anyone dying with Covid.

384487 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to cubby, 1, #229 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for the reply.

383634 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 63, #230 of 2049 🔗

Captain Blackadder “Problem. General Melchett wants us to increase the Covid body count”

George “Bit of a tricky one old Blackie”

Private Baldrick “Sir I have a cunning plan”

Capt. B ” Pray tell”

Baldrick “Well Sir, what if we inject old people with covid and when it kills them we count them as covid deaths”

Capt. B “Brilliant, Brilliant, George get me Astra Zeneca on the phone”

George “WHO?”

Capt. B “Ok they’ll do”

383650 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cecil B, 4, #231 of 2049 🔗

Very good, ha ha.

384101 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 4, #232 of 2049 🔗

I can even hear this in Balders voice, sir I have a Cunning plan. Made me chuckle!

383635 cubby, replying to cubby, 15, #233 of 2049 🔗

If schools are to remain closed until April, are the teachers furloughed until they return to work? I’ve always felt that the gumint only has support because it is buying it. Look who is either not working – teachers – who is hardly working – doctors – who is “working” from home – civil servants, council officials – and add them to the groups who are actively gaining from the whole scare like the martials, the people in sales of “prevention”, people who work for Amazon and similar. It beggars the question, if the UK has such a service oriented economy who the hell is earning and paying taxes?

383646 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to cubby, 12, #234 of 2049 🔗

Good question.

Over the last few years, the UK has promoted several sectors like fashion & design, tourism, culture as those that bring loads of money into the economy and bring instant global recognition. No thanks to this lockdown and restrictions, the government has decimated the sectors I’ve mentioned above and how long will it take them to recover is questionable.

383672 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to cubby, 8, #235 of 2049 🔗

Equally if children are not even starting phasing into schools until March, why are the Easter holidays still planned some 4 weeks later? Surely children need to have the opportunity to be in school for the remainder of the year to try and repair some of the damage inflicted.

384052 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Paulus, #236 of 2049 🔗

Because the teachers will need a holiday by then!. Sorry, had to get that it. I’m on the fence a bit where teachers are concerned. Firstly because we don’t know how many think this whole thing is a disgrace and also because these days I could no more be a teacher than fly to the moon. Again, to cover my back, I know not all children are devils in disguise but there are a lot about!.

383902 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to cubby, 4, #237 of 2049 🔗

it’s all funny money. it will all just keep going, until one day – it doesn’t. we are presently Wile E Coyote in those moments before he realises he’s left the cliff edge.

383639 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #238 of 2049 🔗

We’re Still Here

383675 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #239 of 2049 🔗

Dead Man’s Shoes

383644 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 30, #240 of 2049 🔗

The fact that the goalposts keep changing shows that the government has no option of letting this end. They’ve told so many lies that they’re now having trouble keeping up and their lies are becoming more and more fantastic by the second.

I’m beginning to think that the only way now this will end is when people take matters into their own hands. Several warning shots have been fired in countries such as Italy, Poland, the Netherlands, Spain. But will the government listen?

And as for this country, people are only kept happy by bribe money and Netflix. But for how long?

383657 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #241 of 2049 🔗

Three weeks to flatten the sombrero.
Boris Johnson March 2020

383665 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #242 of 2049 🔗

And nearly 11 months later……

383736 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #243 of 2049 🔗

He forgot to take our collective out when tried-and failed

383674 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #244 of 2049 🔗

‘And as for this country, people are only kept happy by bribe money and Netflix. But for how long?’

As long as 9 million are paid by the Hindoo’s magic money machine nothing changes. 12 million work in Gov’t on my taxes so they don’t care. That is 21 mn taken care of. Leaves about 15 million in the private sector. As long as their woke corporates comply and force tests, vaxx, diaper wearing etc. they will be browbeaten and terrified of losing their laptop-based income.

So no I don’t see anything changing.

Real negative interest rates mean the gov’t can borrow ad infinitum. No one seems to care about inflation or real price increases since they torture the #s and conclude there is no inflation (eg. house prices are not factored in).

The Hindoo will enforce UBI to keep the peasants quiet. That should be revealed in March I would guess. My mom used to call it welfare but UBI sounds so much nicer and more tolerant etc. etc.

383680 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 7, #245 of 2049 🔗

Well said. That said I don’t think that Sunak has factored in closures and bankruptcies has he?

It will be interesting to see what the unemployment and bankruptcy figures are by the end of this month given that I’ve heard of more job losses despite furlough.

383740 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to FerdIII, 6, #246 of 2049 🔗

Can I ask why you keep referring to Rishi Sunak as “the Hindoo”? I assume you mean him and not Priti Patel or Alok Sharma. I don’t get why we’re referring to some ministers by their religion? And why you’re spelling it like it’s 1900?

383772 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, -4, #247 of 2049 🔗

Hindoo is the proper spelling. It is not a religion in my view like say Atheism is. Why is the gov’t saturated with non-English, non-Whites. Oh my. So racist. Is there a White Chancellor in India btw? Just asking. Knickknack is part of the millionaire jet set isn’t he? Golden Slacks et al. As if he cares about you. Check out useless Hindoo Patel’s Home Office, the same ones who said that the Muslim sex Jihad gangs who raped 600.000 white girls were actually White. Of the inner staff only 2 are White. Oh my. Oh no. Such racism etc etc blah blah.

383845 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FerdIII, 8, #248 of 2049 🔗

You’re on the wrong forum for this.

I’m not saying you don’t have a point, but I think you’ll find the consensus is that this is not the place for it.

At the end of the day, the ministers all report to Boris Johnson and were all elected by the public.

383677 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 44, #249 of 2049 🔗

I really hope the tide is turning. We’re getting more people coming into the shop, agreeing with our messages on the blackboards. And I’ve noticed more people photographing them – they can’t all be council snitches.

Mercifully no repeat of the ‘book depository’ photographer yesterday and our mystery ‘customer’ did not show either (decided to appeal to him via one of the blackboards).

We did hear back from the EHO following our response to the ‘Prohibition Notice’. We insist we are doing nothing wrong, she insists we are risking life and limb. During this most recent lockdown there has never been more than about 10 people in the park at any one time. This is purely about showing us ‘who is boss’.

383682 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 21, #250 of 2049 🔗

Agree. The fact that you get loads of people especially during the weekends is an example that more and more people are getting fed up and are less inclined to follow the rules.

I get the feeling that the EHO is simply trying to intimidate you for going against the grain and not being suitably frightened unlike other business owners. Well done for fighting back and keeping up the pressure. As for your mystery “customer” I suspect either he’s part of a set up against your business or has something to do with drug pushing in your area.

383694 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #251 of 2049 🔗

Yes, this smacks to me of state-sponsored bullying and I am convinced there has been entrapment involved (I was suspicious of the woman ‘customer’ last week – my instincts told me there was something afoot and, sure enough, she was quoted as ‘evidence’ by the EHO woman). And, I keep coming back to this, if we are such a ‘danger’, why haven’t they shut us down. They just keep coming back with threats.

I posited the drugs theory to one of our LS friends and he thinks not, as the notes were brand new – looked like they’d just come out of a cashpoint machine. Still at a loss. Anyway, kept copious notes and the items have been put aside if he returns.

383695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 8, #252 of 2049 🔗

The logic is that if they’re scared everyone else off why not you? It’s what I call the Wile E Coyote method – do the same thing over and over again to try to catch the Road Runner.

Most odd and it will be surprising once this is over if someone does come forward and claim the money.

383702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #253 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. Another customer was intrigued by my blackboard appeal to the man and when I explained what had happened, he thought it sounded pretty sinister. I feel very, very uneasy about it all but I just do not trust anyone right now. I just hope he does come back.

383709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #254 of 2049 🔗

After reading your account, I though it was most odd and sinister.

Another thing I thought of is if he has mental health issues.

It would be nice if he does come back and claim the money.

383723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #255 of 2049 🔗

There was something that unsettled me about him when he first came in, in that I thought he may be about to have a go at us – but that was just my first instinctive impression. He was perfectly fine, he didn’t strike me as someone who had mental health issues – he was just a little reserved and perhaps shy. I was more alarmed the second time when I saw the blood on the side of his mask and what looked like blood on the inside. And when I mentioned the first lot of money , he flat out denied it was anything to do with him. The good thing is that I would remember him if he came back. He reminded both of us of the actor Dudley Sutton (Tinker from Lovejoy ).

383729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #256 of 2049 🔗

Really strange man, trouble with mental health is there are times you can’t tell. But from the way you described this man either he’s a paid shill or has mental health issues or even both.

383738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 4, #257 of 2049 🔗

Is there any possibility at all that he might be a supporter making a donation but not want to be identified?

383748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fiona Walker, 5, #258 of 2049 🔗

I suppose that is a possibility but it doesn’t explain why he left all the other items – unless he was trying to conceal the cash he had left behind. And, why was our photographer ‘friend’ eager to check it out. If that was innocent, surely he would have come in and notified us that there was a tray with money on it. The more I think about it, the more questions arise.

384004 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 8, #259 of 2049 🔗

Get cameras up KH if you dont have them already for your own evidence and protection, they cant argue with them and any proceedings would have to allow them to be seen. Keep the faith KH you are doing great.

383698 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 10, #260 of 2049 🔗

This is purely about showing us ‘who is boss’.

Spot on, as is all the other stuff now. The government know we’re not complying, and so they want to be tyrannts over it.

383685 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #261 of 2049 🔗

My money and yours is being used to bribe these people.
Anyone on self assessment tax will be making their balancing payment for the year ending April 2020 in the next couple of days. In that year we made some money because it was mostly pre-Rona. I normally pay these things on time and with only a slight pang because, whilst I often disagree with government spending priorities, by and large I agree that we owe the money and hand it over. This year it hurts like hell knowing how the money has been thrown away and into the pockets of test and trace etc i.e. cronies.
I suppose it was ever thus but it just seems in sharper relief this year.

383711 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #262 of 2049 🔗

Yes I agree there is no end in sight the way it is going!

384442 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #263 of 2049 🔗

On the “How long?” question: though I’m pretty much retired, I still have some professional involvement as a member of a committee in my subject area. A company which I deal with in that respect is now saying that they don’t expect external visitors to be able to come into their building till at least 2022. Nationally it’s looking to me like a return to tiers in the summer, and since the “vaccines” probably aren’t much good it’ll be another four month lockdown next winter. On that basis theatres, large scale concerts and other events are also unlikely to come back this year. Will the bankruptcy and closure of all these organisations be enough to force a change in policies?

383647 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 37, #264 of 2049 🔗

Reporter “What are the numbers for people who have died from taking the vaccine?”

Minister “Nobody has died from taking the Vaccine”

Reporter “What are the figures for tractor production?”

383655 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 10, #265 of 2049 🔗

The fabulous statistics continued to pour out of the telescreen….

383668 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 5, #266 of 2049 🔗

It was a record year in tractor output and our GDP has exceeded our five year plan objectives…..chocolate manufacturing is also at record highs…..now on to the footie scores….

383693 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to FerdIII, 2, #267 of 2049 🔗

Face nappy production?

383666 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 12, #268 of 2049 🔗

I remember our economics teacher telling us about tractor production back in the 80s. Oh, how we laughed …

383816 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 1, #269 of 2049 🔗

Or geography teachers giving us lessons about the Ruhr coal fields, Salmon fishing grounds of Canada or even more riveting, the velts of South Africa.

383820 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #270 of 2049 🔗

Ours told us there was another ice age on the way!

383945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 1, #271 of 2049 🔗

That’s because there was a global cooling trend from 1940 to 1975 (something the fear-mongers like to pretend never happened).

384454 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 1, #272 of 2049 🔗

Our art appreciation teacher was very concerned about population growth, and told us that when we were older the entire central belt of Scotland, Glasgow across to Edinburgh, would be built up. The last time I travelled that way there was still plenty of farmland and moorland.

383676 Cecil B, 12, #273 of 2049 🔗

Will the Scotcops get close enough to the Pig Dictator to issue him with a Fixed Penalty Notice for his ‘non essential’ journey or will they be shot by the English Close Protection Officers

Should be interesting

On a more serious note. The Scotcops could issue the PD with a summons to appear in a Scottish Court for his Covid breach

Now that would be a giggle

383679 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 12, #274 of 2049 🔗

I have to congratulate Will on his wording ABL today. More in line with sceptical thinking. Thank you.

383683 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to WasSteph, 5, #275 of 2049 🔗

Except for the line about watching the BBC on school re-openings…in related Pravda news it is scientifically proven that Communism generates genius and killing sceptics in gulags is moral…..

383741 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to FerdIII, 1, #276 of 2049 🔗

Deb Cohen is pretty good. I think she’s prob one of us.

383692 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to WasSteph, 6, #277 of 2049 🔗

Don’t approve of referring to him as “Boris” though.

383715 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Adamb, 4, #278 of 2049 🔗

Agree. He is now the “current PM” in my mind. Other less respectful epithets do pass through with astonishing regularity.

383687 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #279 of 2049 🔗

It certainly is a novel virus

383730 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #280 of 2049 🔗

You forgot ‘Scotch egg detector’.

383876 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 1, #281 of 2049 🔗

Covid toe (aka Athletes foot) needs to go on too

383884 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #282 of 2049 🔗

covid toe!! OMG, I’ve heard it all now

383919 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #283 of 2049 🔗

not as interesting as a camel toe

383968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mj, 2, #284 of 2049 🔗

or Kamala Toe

383688 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 38, #285 of 2049 🔗

I ask in despair, before leaving for my illegal and granny killing thermos of tea in the park, how long can this go on?
I seriously cannot recall a weaker or more dangerous government and I’ve lived though Tony “weapons of mass destruction” Bliar and Gordon “I saved the world’s financial markets” Broon.
The blessed St Margaret (science degree) would have clobbered Ferguson with her handbag months ago.

383696 ▶▶ JASA, replying to WasSteph, 8, #286 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. More people with proper science degrees are needed in politics and in general I think.

383708 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JASA, 2, #287 of 2049 🔗

Hear hear

383874 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JASA, 7, #288 of 2049 🔗

how can you say that? having a science degree means nothing (Witless and Unbalanced and Professor Pantsdown have them, I think even Bill Gates probably has one) – what is needed is to have principles and a moral compass – there is no substitute for that

383700 ▶▶ Julian, replying to WasSteph, 8, #289 of 2049 🔗

The PM is the worst leader since Caligula

383733 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 4, #290 of 2049 🔗

Caligula at least had the sense to make his horse a consul.

383852 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Annie, 8, #291 of 2049 🔗

Caligula’s horse would make a better PM than Boris.

384120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Chicot, 3, #292 of 2049 🔗

And have a better haircut!

384230 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, #293 of 2049 🔗

Dilyn for PM! At least he could bite some SAGE members’ backsides.

383796 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to WasSteph, 4, #294 of 2049 🔗

During the Asian flu in the mid/late 50’s Macmillan (Conservative) ignored any concerns as did Wilson (Labour) in 68/69.

383689 chaos, replying to chaos, 18, #295 of 2049 🔗

The Prime Minister confirmed yesterday that the lockdown will continue until March at the earliest…

Then May.. then September.. people, Toby, falls for it every time…

Build Back Biden

383697 ▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 7, #296 of 2049 🔗

I doubt TY is under any illusions that this is going to end any time soon

383717 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Julian, 12, #297 of 2049 🔗

No.. he thinks the series of ‘cockups’ has an end date. It doesn’t. Because it isn’t a series of cockups.

383940 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to chaos, 1, #298 of 2049 🔗

Where has he ever used the term “cock-up” or anything remotely similar? And where has he said he thinks there is an end date?

Would people please give over these straw man arguments

384128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Julian, 3, #299 of 2049 🔗

He has said on many occasions, especially with Delingpole that he thinks there is nothing sinister in this government and presumes incompetence and stupidity. He does not believe corruption and other agendas are at play.

383691 jb12, replying to jb12, 13, #300 of 2049 🔗

‘Young-girlism’ could really also be called ‘new-academicism’ as the universities are rife with these people at PhD and post-doc level. I recently attended a seminar on a study of adherents of QAnon and it was basically an academic sneeringly communicating the results of her fieldwork (which is not only unprofessional, but unethical and just generally unappreciative of the time given to her by her informants). We were also treated to an outline of the academic’s own Guardian-esque political opinions interspersed with the kind of ‘humour’ that is contained in the last line of Sridhar’s tweet. This is the kind of person who is teaching our young adults and producing research that attempts to form public perception.

384134 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jb12, 3, #301 of 2049 🔗

And I wish they would stop calling Divi! A covid expert. She has some sociology degree, just another unscientific modeller.

383703 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 24, #302 of 2049 🔗

Prime Minister,

Can you look your citizens in the eyes and say the risk of death, illness and depression due to lockdowns is not real?

Don’t be a lockdown impact denier. Show balance. Save lives.

383706 ▶▶ Janette, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #303 of 2049 🔗

Are you going to send it to him?

383731 ▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Janette, 2, #304 of 2049 🔗

I tweeted it to him already. But I don’t suppose for one minute that he reads the tweets, his account will be read by a PR. I’ll send via email, that might get to him.

383735 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to flyingjohn, 6, #305 of 2049 🔗

All of parliament ( the handful of dissenters excepted ), are lockdown impact deniers.

383705 chaos, 3, #306 of 2049 🔗

I do like a golden oldie…

February 2020
https://youtu.be/nV1XZQ_8eqE

Trade used to grow at roughly double global GDP – from 1987 to 2007. Now it barely keeps pace… and when there is a risk that new diseases such as coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage , then at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerfully for freedom of exchange…

383707 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 20, #307 of 2049 🔗

Good to know that the motorbike gang that raided the Walmart in Mexico were “masked”. So, some people still use face masks in a rational and useful way.

383713 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Teebs, 9, #308 of 2049 🔗

The drug dealers the council and housing association allowed back in next door.. their customers now come and go masked.. the police ask for CCTV to help them identify individuals.. good luck with that…

383744 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to chaos, 12, #309 of 2049 🔗

Hilariously people on our local grumbling site were moaning about a gang of hooded youths hanging about, but the main complaint was that they weren’t wearing masks, a year ago it would have been the opposite!

383848 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to chaos, 2, #310 of 2049 🔗

good to know one part of the economy is still thriving

384148 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Teebs, 2, #311 of 2049 🔗

And are giving the proceeds to the poor, we should be giving these latter say Robin Hoods medals. Señores, los saludo!

383712 Helen, replying to Helen, 8, #312 of 2049 🔗

SCIENTISM

Article from Switzerland criticising the Leopoldina, the German National Academy of Sciences and the role of scientism in the loss of fundamental rights and freedoms and the destruction of years of overall life. Translated using DEEPL.

Corona, Lockdown, Reason and Politics: What exactly does science teach us?
Coronakrise: Wissenschaft soll aufklären – nicht entmündigen!

Science serves to enlighten responsible citizens. Those who use it to tell others what they should or should not do are abusing it. It is high time to confront the scientifically induced immaturity of these days. A contribution to the debate.

Michael Esfeld and Philip Kovce. Jan. 27, 2021, 05:30 a.m.
Michael Esfeld ist Professor für Wissenschaftsphilosophie an der Universität Lausanne und Mitglied der Leopoldina.
Philip Kovce, Ökonom und Philosoph, forscht an den Universitäten Witten/Herdecke und Freiburg im Breisgau und ist Mitglied im Think-Tank 30 des Club of Rome.

Europe is cracking down on the new waves with tough measures. But how effective are they – and what price is society paying? (Man in an office building at Potsdamer Platz in Berlin, Nov. 16, 2020).
Europe is taking tough measures to combat the new waves. But how effective are they – and what price is society paying for them? (Man in an office building at Potsdamer Platz in Berlin, Nov. 16, 2020)
Filip Singer / EPA
When it comes to policy advice, science naturally has a special role to play. It promises an unbiased and comprehensive view of the matter. This clearly distinguishes it from other lobbyists, who are suspected of having an extremely keen eye for the interests of their own clientele, but are largely blind to everything else. Science, however, is guided only by its disinterested pleasure in the search for truth.

That’s how it should be, anyway. Actually. But the opposite is being demonstrated these days by a large part of the truth seekers advising politicians.

Since the beginning of the pandemic, there has been no lack of letters of recommendation approving more or less drastic coercive measures to contain the spread of Sars-CoV-2 – measures that degrade responsible citizens to wards of the state and ignore fundamental rights and freedoms.

Facts and interpretations

A prime example of such paternalism is provided by the recent ad hoc statement of the Leopoldina, the German National Academy of Sciences. Published in early December 2020, it called for a “hard lockdown,” which the federal and state governments initially dutifully executed and have since continued to “harden.” Why? Because a “hard lockdown,” according to the unequivocal Leopoldina doctrine, is “absolutely necessary from a scientific point of view”; otherwise, the “too high number” of new corona infections could not be “quickly and drastically reduced.”

Does the ad hoc invocation of allegedly hopeless pandering really contribute to “a scientifically enlightened society” to which the Leopoldina, according to its own mission statement, subscribes? Is this really about the “responsible application of scientific knowledge for the benefit of mankind and nature”? Yes, of all things, does one now advocate “respect for human rights” as an academy goal in this way?

Not really. Enlightenment of society? Not at all. Responsible application of scientific knowledge? Not at all. Respect for human rights? Not at all. Instead: postulated lack of alternatives as an academic declaration of bankruptcy.

Meanwhile, everyone can easily inform himself about the relevant numbers, data and facts: In western countries, including Germany and Switzerland, the average age of those who have died as a result of a corona infection is over 80 years. Almost all of them suffered from severe pre-existing conditions. Very many of the deaths occur in nursing homes. Otherwise, the dangerousness of Sars-CoV-2 and its mutants statistically fluctuates within the range of usually accepted everyday risks, as repeatedly emphasized not least by the renowned Stanford epidemiologist John Ioannidis.

Based on these figures, there are of course debates among experts about which handling of the virus leads to the best of all possible corona worlds. In addition to observing general hygiene rules, many voices recommend, with good reason, limiting oneself to the targeted protection of persons at risk.

But why, in view of this, should a “hard lockdown” be proven to be “absolutely necessary from a scientific point of view”?

Moreover, it is questionable whether the spread of a virus can be de facto contained by means of collective deprivation of liberty. A recent study published in early January by John Ioannidis and Eran Bendavid in the “European Journal of Clinical Investigation” shows that “harsh” measures tend to have little, if any, short-term benefit.

Continued

383714 ▶▶ Helen, replying to Helen, 10, #313 of 2049 🔗

SCIENTISM

In none of the eight countries studied, including Germany, France, the United Kingdom and the United States, is a sustained reduction in new corona infections through a top-down lockdown evident. This approach proves particularly problematic insofar as it undermines the targeted protection of at-risk individuals, as illustrated by the still scandalously high number of deaths in nursing homes.

The brutal full cost calculation
The questionable benefits of “tough” measures are admittedly offset by considerable damage. The unpleasant question is whether the average number of years of life lost as a result of the anti-Corona “war” (as Joe Biden and Emmanuel Macron put it) exceeds the maximum number of years of life saved. German economist Bernd Raffelhüschen has presented a study in which he concludes that the drastic government anti-Corona measures are destroying years of life overall. In other words, death is not slowed down by this “war”, but redistributed – with a negative balance.

Is it possibly cynical to calculate in this way? No. Rather, it is cynical to wage a “war” come hell or high water without considering its victims.

In short, numbers, data and facts also speak against pandemic coercive measures. When academics who advise politicians negligently ignore or even deliberately suppress these facts, they throw the most elementary seal of quality of scientific work overboard, namely to empirically test formulated hypotheses.

But even if the state of Corona research were to allow a path to servitude to be sweetened with the prospect of a brave, new, virus-free world, there would be considerable reservations about this from the point of view of an equally enlightened and enlightening science.

And freedom?

Human dignity is inviolable. It is, if you will, without alternative. Human dignity includes, in particular, the freedom to decide for oneself what kind of life one wants to lead, what risks one wants to take, what relationships one wants to cultivate. Even in times of a pandemic, this applies in principle to everyone – including high-risk individuals, which is why their protection should be made possible on an individual basis, but by no means generally prescribed.

In liberal democracies, the freedom of the individual naturally ends where it poses a concrete threat to others. But the so-called “killer virus” does not pose such a threat – assuming that people at risk are protected both voluntarily and effectively.

Nevertheless, there are numerous Corona warriors who, under the false flag of science, want to destroy the public enemy number Sars-CoV-2 immediately at any price (keyword: “Zero Covid”). These warmongers have no time for maturity and freedom, self-determination and personal responsibility. They prefer to invoke the hardest, toughest, toughest measures and glorify their compliance as an act of national solidarity.

If the measures are ineffective, they were not yet tough enough; if the effects fail to materialize despite tightening, scapegoats are sought – saboteurs of public health who dare to lead a wrong, forbidden life in the only right one.

The fact that paternalistic hardliners are so popular suggests, with a wink, a big remake of the Milgram experiment in which we are all currently participating. We remember: the original from the 1960s revealed that quite normal people are pretty quick to give others ever stronger electric shocks, as long as they are assured that this is “absolutely necessary from a scientific point of view.”

Seen in this light, every tougher measure taken today is the real Corona test: it tests what we are prepared to accept as “absolutely necessary from a scientific point of view” – indeed, whether there are any limits to this at all. Anyone who wants to put a stop to this fatal scientific affinity is immediately denigrated in many places as a science denier.

As if nothing had happened historically, a very large coalition of illiberals from the left to the right takes note of this Corona experiment with interest. Scientism as a state religion to legitimize repression? Why not? Notabene: It would be the end of free research and teaching, the swan song of an open society. Again.

How do you feel about science? Patronizing science or liberating science? That is the crucial question of the Enlightenment these days. It is high time for science to once again serve the responsible citizen who finances it, instead of continuing to patronize him.

383724 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Helen, 4, #314 of 2049 🔗

Human dignity? Humans have it.
Zombies don’t.

383844 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Helen, 4, #315 of 2049 🔗

In liberal democracies, the freedom of the individual naturally ends where it poses a concrete threat to others.

that’s not really it, though is it. every time I get behind the wheel of a car, I pose a threat to others. in theory, anything I might do [or not do] could pose a threat to someone, somewhere. our ideal of freedom and personal responsibility is far more complex than that, and is rooted in a judeo-christian tradition of ethics and morality, which at its centre characterises human beings as containing a spark of the divine, but tainted by original sin. this is what has underpinned western civilisation, – and the unfastening of that pin is what has led to the disintegration of western civilisation that we are seeing now

383987 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JaneHarry, #316 of 2049 🔗

That is quite an insight. Thank you.

I think from that we can draw all sorts of inferences that we’re not supposed to.

384465 ▶▶▶ yohodi, replying to Helen, 1, #317 of 2049 🔗

An excellent post, thank you.

383718 SilverLining, replying to SilverLining, 7, #318 of 2049 🔗

I have created a private group on Gab for discussions outside this site: https://gab.com/groups/27250

383918 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to SilverLining, 1, #319 of 2049 🔗

I’ve just requested to join

384005 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to SilverLining, #320 of 2049 🔗

I’ve requested to join.

383719 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #321 of 2049 🔗

The Scott Atlas article highlights an enormous elephant sitting in the room..Florida. Along with Japan being the country with the most aged population, it’s states and countries such as these, that should be by far the worst affected. While diet and different healthcare practises may help, it can’t explain why areas with major lockdowns and aged populations are doing so badly. Deaths are being wrongly attributed to Covid. The numbers don’t add up.

383722 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PoshPanic, 13, #322 of 2049 🔗

lockdowns don’t work. schools are half open because of key workers. factories, warehouses, some offices, NHS etc are open.

their main outcome seems to be to depress and terrorise the population – which obviously has health effects

383757 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steve_w, 8, #323 of 2049 🔗

They serve no medical or public health purpose whatsoever. If people can’t see this, it’s because they are in denial. Denial by brainwashing.

383863 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #324 of 2049 🔗

Florida did a radical thing – they actually protected their aged population instead of using the traditional method of sending suspected Covid cases back into care homes to infect them. Japan’s pensioners are far healthier than those in the West and have far higher vitamin D levels.

383961 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chicot, 1, #325 of 2049 🔗

And unlike other Asians, Japanese households don’t tend to be multi generational due to high house prices and lack of space.

383912 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #326 of 2049 🔗

And South Dakota.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/commonsense-kristi-the-true-conservative-britain-needs-what-a-pity-shes-american/
Commonsense Kristi, the true conservative Britain needs (what a pity she’s American)

“Kristi Noem, the Republican governor for the state of South Dakota, embodies all that small c conservatism is, and every member of the party that calls itself Conservative should watch this speech and remind themselves not only how far they have fallen, but what being a conservative looks like.

In terms of lockdowns, where the majority of the US (and the rest of the Western world) allowed fear to rule their policies, Noem bravely allowed South Dakota to carry on as normal, diverting resources and money to the vulnerable who needed care, while allowing the state’s economy to thrive and maintaining civil liberties.

In essence, she did what every part of the world and the United States should have done and we must applaud her for that. Here, she outlines South Dakota’s unusual position:

‘We made different choices from virtually every other state over the past year and to be fair, I never once thought that the decisions we were making in South Dakota during the pandemic would be unique, but other states based a lot of their decisions on fear and on emotion and now they’re seeing the results of that.

‘In South Dakota, we do not make policy out of fear. We prepare for the worst, but we always remain optimistic that the best is yet to come.’

She adds: ‘We’re in a much stronger financial position than other states across the country. States that shut down their economies are now looking for tax increases or drastic spending cuts to make their ends meet.’

South Dakota, by the way, has seen only 1,656 deaths from Covid (according to official figures) in comparison with New York state where despite heavy lockdowns and draconian restrictions there have been 40,570 deaths. ”

Worth reading in full.

384178 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to LMS2, 3, #327 of 2049 🔗

Kristi and Ron from Florida should be candidates for tge next president of the US. Both have stood in the face of the msm abusing them and came out the other side being proven right. Ron has done this in God’s waiting room. He just listened to Levet’s words and trusted him. This is the GBD in action. Both heroes.

384405 ▶▶▶ Teebs, replying to LMS2, 2, #328 of 2049 🔗

The population of South Dakota is just under 900,000 and New York State almost 19.4 million.

Per capita numbers: SD: 0.0018; NY:0.0021

So, even on a per capita basis, SD is slightly better than NY.
(And by the way please notice just how small the per capita fractions are. This is not the bubonic plague.)

Now, someone will say that SD is “sparsely populated” and “rural” and does not have the high population concentrations of NY and if they had Manhattan and all its bars, the results would have been catastrophic.

Err … no … because (1) The governor of NY shut down everything and massively reduced social interaction, right? Whereas all the dispersed people in SD could meet up anytime, anywhere. So, that should cancel everything out.

Examples such as SD when compared to places such as NY provide the real-life and incontrovertible evidence that lockdowns, masks, social distancing and all that stuff adds up to nothing. In the end, the virus will spread and it will get to everyone. Fact. You cannot stop it.

You protect people that you believe are vulnerable, and let everyone else get on with their lives. Destroying the lives and livelihoods of healthy people who are at no real risk in attempting to stop an airborne virus spreading is, at best, just plain stoopid. At worst, criminally negligent.

At the very most, lockdowns delay the propagation but at enormous cost and the wise thing to do, if you go down that road, is to have a very good plan to use that very expensive time to prepare for the inevitably coming spread.

There is no such plan. There was no such plan. Lockdowns and all their paraphernalia have just become self-serving and self-justifying. Done for the sake of being done; not for anything tangibly useful. Just protecting the backsides of failed politicians and desperate boffins.

It is disgraceful people like Johnson, Hancock et al are lording it over everyone.

383726 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 7, #329 of 2049 🔗

Please can this website indicate where i can locate local businesses who are participating in the 30th January Grande Opening 😕

Time to stick one up these reset authorities !!

383737 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to nickbowes, 13, #330 of 2049 🔗

My plan is just to take a stroll around the town centre and look for anything open. They should be easy to spot from all the busies congregating around them.

383767 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #331 of 2049 🔗

I suspect, sadly, that this well meaning enterprise will get nowhere.

383786 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to nickbowes, 2, #332 of 2049 🔗

They all have to open and have good attendance otherwise the HiViz crowd will easily shut them down and add £200 to everyone’s bill. I’m not hopeful.

383811 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to nickbowes, 5, #333 of 2049 🔗

I think you’re probably right.

One good thing to come out of it though is the establishment of many local telegram groups, allowing opponents of lockdown to connect with like minded people around them.

383891 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #334 of 2049 🔗

Lots are using Gab now – pretty excellent platform it is too, telegram could soon go the same way as parler.

383879 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #335 of 2049 🔗

I’m also planning on heading out and checking it out. I might land up having to have a noticeable number of cups of coffee (one per place that’s open – ie in order to show support). If I’m still wired the next day from all that caffeine (and maybe a nice big lunch, complete with wine) I’ll know why…

383964 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #336 of 2049 🔗

That’s what Mr Bart and I are planning to do – go somewhere and check out what’s open. Especially as we’ll need food and coffee to fortify us during our long walks.

383743 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 10, #337 of 2049 🔗

We posted the link to the ‘Great Reopening’ on the town’s WhatsApp page. Suffice to say the overwhelming response was one of horror!

383774 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to kh1485, 5, #338 of 2049 🔗

I hope you have a busy and positive day !

383783 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, 13, #339 of 2049 🔗

The weaponisation of progaganda-terrorised cretins is the single biggest obstacle to any return to normal

That this terror has been instilled by the government and media is something that should never be forgotten until long after it is atoned for. Which it never will be.

Burn. It. All. Down.

383817 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AidanR, 8, #340 of 2049 🔗

Oh, so agree. Before this shitshow started, I harboured a healthy disdain of these types, now I actively despise them. Some keep talking about when we get back to ‘normal’. These people have ensured that we will never have what we had pre-2020.

384188 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to AidanR, 1, #341 of 2049 🔗

You think its too early to be sharpening the pitchfork? I have a torch but it needs batteries?

384361 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Spikedee1, #342 of 2049 🔗

As soon as my bench grinder arrives from Amazon, I’m sharpening like Billy-O

383727 Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #343 of 2049 🔗

The Shocking Truth About Health Passports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2IGjIXKfQ

Vernon Coleman

383732 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 7, #344 of 2049 🔗

It feels this website has joined the mainstream narrative with it’s headlines. Also so many new posters on here who all seem to be pro lockdown and anti freedom. Oh well all good things come to an end…

383764 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, 12, #345 of 2049 🔗

?I haven’t noticed any who are pro-lockdown. not all are as hardline as me, and still seem to prepared to regard those pushing the lockdown narrative as reasonable human beings with a point of view worth listening to, rather than as deranged lunatics who should just be sedated and placed out of harm’s way – or in the more egregious cases just lined up against the wall and shot

383787 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Andrew K, 1, #346 of 2049 🔗

Please give a couple of examples -as we are all anonymous on here, it isn’t name and shame .

383836 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to arfurmo, #347 of 2049 🔗

We had one poster on here a few nights ago, really laying into us all, calling us murderers etc.. A couple yesterday also subtle knocking us.

383889 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 7, #348 of 2049 🔗

It’s called free speech. We don’t have to agree, and we shouldn’t be in the same censorship game as the pro-lockdowners.

384197 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to arfurmo, 1, #349 of 2049 🔗

We’re not all anonymous although I accept that work and family considerations may require it.

383830 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Andrew K, 5, #350 of 2049 🔗

Absolutely, the reporting briefly became more skeptical around the end of 2020 but is now back firmly to the acceptable side of questioning.
The constant references to Spectator/Telegraph articles like those today , total garbage.
Constantly going round n circles wondering when Boris will come to his senses is a complete charade.
He is in total command of his faculties , the plan is ongoing. We need journalists who can see through the lies to expose the truth, not mainstream lackies .

383883 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 7, #351 of 2049 🔗

I must have missed those pro-lockdowners.

I don’t see this site becoming less sceptical. It’s aggregating news and criticizing as appropriate.
We’ve gone through so many of the anti-lockdown arguments already, so it would be very repetitive to just say the same thing each day.

384203 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to LMS2, 2, #352 of 2049 🔗

It only happens late at night. Where they know most of us are no longer watching. No logic, no scientific opinion just name calling. Then disappear, probably as they have to go to bed as there mummy wants them up early to be ready for a school zoom? Or its a brave 77th soldier doing his bit for Q+C. Heroes all of them.

383734 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #353 of 2049 🔗

If this is true, it’s a great graphic:

383872 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to kh1485, 1, #354 of 2049 🔗

So is the second one, with the graphic of the virus and its special features, e.g. election timer, BLM protest detector…

384193 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 1, #355 of 2049 🔗

Yup, N95 masks trap 95% of 300 nanometre although they do also trap some 100 nanometre by the magic of Brownian motion. 300 nanometre seems to be a ‘sweet spot’ for masks. Many N95 have an outlet valve so are useless for protecting other people and probably worse since the foul miasma is concentrated by the valve.

383739 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 38, #356 of 2049 🔗

What has alarmed me most over the last few weeks has been the complete lack of any critical thinking by my clinician colleagues, be they physicians, nurse practitioners or paramedic practitioners. Not one has said this is nonsense. They dutifully wear masks and visors, despite them not seeing anyone with CoViD19 symptoms. Why aren’t they questioning the veracity of the “act as if you’re infected” message? Why are they clamouring for the vaccine? I learnt the other day that there have been quite a few who have been quite unwell for several days after the vaccination, should this not be ringing alarm bells in our medics?
I have never received a response to the question I sent in response to some of the nonsense put out by my company about evidence based care.

383750 ▶▶ jb12, replying to p02099003, 11, #357 of 2049 🔗

According to the (primarily American) medics who have reported ill-effects after the vaccine, one should get it when one has a day off after so as to deal with the sickness that follows. That is cognitive dissonance in action.

383752 Blair Witch, replying to Blair Witch, 16, #358 of 2049 🔗

Got talking to a non mask wearing lady yesterday, whilst in the queue for a blood test (she did have a visor, which she wore when having the test done) who told me that she was in the early stages of cancer. She said that some nurses, previously, had refused to give her a blood test because she wasn’t wearing a mask. Hats off to the glorious NHS, God saves!!!

383866 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Blair Witch, 8, #359 of 2049 🔗

But I’m sure the nurses were wearing masks. Were they saying that their masks didn’t work?

383754 danny, replying to danny, 23, #360 of 2049 🔗

Hate the way that everyone from the PM down refers to lockdowns as “frustrating” as if it is a mild irritant.

383755 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to danny, 21, #361 of 2049 🔗

I think it’s a deliberate choice of language to trivialise concerns about the harms.

383759 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 8, #362 of 2049 🔗

It’s akin to Marie Antoinette allegedly saying “let them eat cake.” How would he know what the rest of us are going through?

You can bet he’s not worried about mental health issues, redundancy, bankruptcies, untreated illnesses, substance abuse, domestic violence, among others.

383788 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #363 of 2049 🔗

She never said that this is Enlightenment propaganda. Only one queen may have said this (Spanish) 200 years earlier. MA was one of the few royals who tried to help the peasants in actual fact. I doubt MA would support a LD. No one with sense in the Middle Ages or early modern era did (they use quarantine and targeted support unlike the ‘information age’ of scientific genius).

383850 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to danny, 4, #364 of 2049 🔗

Funny that – Michael Martin in Ireland uses exactly the same word.

384498 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, #365 of 2049 🔗

Hell is very frustrating.

383756 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #366 of 2049 🔗

So the teaching unions are setting education policy, the police are deciding how to interpret laws/guidelines and SAGE are dictating nearly everything else. Remind me, what exactly are the govt for?

383770 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #367 of 2049 🔗

Kindling

383843 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #368 of 2049 🔗

Nothing. Maybe we should just do away with them.

383758 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #369 of 2049 🔗

I have lost almost 1 QALY since March 2020. I hope someone is adding these up. Or am I not ‘worth it’?

383765 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, 5, #370 of 2049 🔗

Quite so…. this calculus has been tormenting me… tens of millions of QALYs lost, to save what?

383780 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to AidanR, 7, #371 of 2049 🔗

and the lockdowns don’t save anyone anyway. what a waste

383778 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to steve_w, 5, #372 of 2049 🔗

The equivalent of 16.105 individual lifetimes are thus condemned to be lived without basic freedoms, rights, pleasures, security, health assurances and /civil liberties per every WEEK of lockdown.

383760 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 13, #373 of 2049 🔗

Boris Says Schools to Be Shut Till At Least March 8th

Hey ho, what’s another few weeks delay? This will then take us to the next few weeks delay until Easter. Let’s be honest, faced with the prospect of hundreds of thousands of healthy kids keeling over and dying with SARS, not to mention their poor Grannies too, what else could be done?
There are almost 9m school pupils in the UK, meaning if all schools are closed every extra week of educational denial (a statutory human right btw, but I digress…) 9m educational weeks are lost.

As school education (from 5-18) takes around 500 weeks per student, this means the equivalent of 18,000 full school educations are being squandered during every week of education denial.

This loss of knowledge and experience WILL severely impact on every citizen in the future, coupled with teachers waiving favourites through every year regardless of external exam preparation or performance. Not that this unconscionable act of education denial will ever stop anyone catching SARS, as it is endemic in the UK and will be with us for many, many years to come. We need to live and deal with it, not cower behind the sofa and fade away – but I am not allowed to say that in case in doing so I cause the death of someone’s beloved mother or whatever.
Just how long can flock credulity be relied on by a corrupt and incompetent government?

383806 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 8, #374 of 2049 🔗

These politicians and their “advisors” need to be chased and hounded til the day they die for what they are doing to our children.

383882 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #375 of 2049 🔗

Anyone want to lay odds that the week the schools go back, parents will be threatened with fines for taken their children out of school without permission.

Because every day missed is damaging the education of their child and every other child in the class.

383762 Prof Feargoeson, 18, #376 of 2049 🔗

Some good realism and questioning of the narrative by my colleagues today re the death resulting from the UK’s “worst workplace Covid outbreak”. One whose wife works there said that the DVLA had done as much as they could at making the offices ” Covid-proof” , that there will always be risk and that they could have caught it anywhere. I pointed out that 1 death in 2000 is not too bad in winter and how many died of flu there over the years without the union getting all exercised about it. Only positive responses to that.

383766 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #377 of 2049 🔗

There is also a ‘little girl’ voice that goes with this. Listen to other female American academics with it – Dr Christine Blasey Ford, the psychologist who accused Brett Kavanagh (better still, if it hasn’t been removed, watch Milo’s hilarious parody on Youtube). Closer to home, Deborah Haines, Sky foreign affairs correspondent. They tend to be less than stellar academic brains (and I include Devi Sridhar in that classification) using the ‘I’m a daddy’s girl’ charm to navigate the upper echelons of power. They are, can I say, the worst possible ‘sisterhood’ for any serious, ambitious, and gifted woman who wants to make her way in a competitive world. There were plenty of them around when I worked in the City in the 80s and 90s.

383776 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #378 of 2049 🔗

feminism has a lot to answer for. many women are simply brainless bimbos who never should have been allowed out of the kitchen or the bedroom

383789 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #379 of 2049 🔗

The wimmin you refer to were ‘allowed’ out of the kitchen because they’re fkin useless in there.

383807 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #380 of 2049 🔗

For every woman/girl like that though, there is also a comparable man/boy – how else would you cast Prince Harry?

383824 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #381 of 2049 🔗

I’ve noticed a lot of these “little girls” in the museums & heritage sector. Of course I’m not saying that they should be frumpy far from it. But its hard to project gravitas with what many of them wear and how they sound. Many of my colleagues are guilty of the latter – the “little girl” voices grate and if they want to be taken seriously in the future, I would suggest that they invest in voice coaching.

I believe it was Professor Frank Fuerdi who coined the term “kiddulthood” and this is what we’re seeing with many people – they may be physically older but are mentally stuck in childhood.

384209 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, #382 of 2049 🔗

Prof. FF is a hero, see him on my walks sometimes.

383877 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #383 of 2049 🔗

and over the last couple of days reference has been made to some of the “local” reporters in the regional press, and these tend to be girls just out of college who have the same approach.
one of the problems is that the teacher training colleges are full of these types (both female and mail) and so every year naive kids who have years of BBC approved woke education enter and the indoctrination is complete so that they are spewed out as teachers with the same mindset and so the show goes on the the kids continue to be indoctinated

383768 mr ben, replying to mr ben, 31, #384 of 2049 🔗

My wife’s grandfather had a fall at home about a week ago and ended up in hospital. He’d had his vaccination already but when he arrived, though being without symptoms, tested positive for Covid. It turned out he had a urine infection and that is probably what caused the fall. They didn’t tell him he had tested positive so as not to worry him. After looking okay initially in hospital he began to decline and sadly passed away last night at the grand old age of 95. He will go down as a Covid death. He was not. He was very old and rather frail, though I do wonder what difference not having any family able to visit him made.

383777 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to mr ben, 8, #385 of 2049 🔗

sorry for your loss. the false positive rate will be very high because the prevalence is quite high, its mainly in hospitals, the test is hyper-sensitive and it is being done poorly by untrained staff in poorly set up labs. It was almost certainly a false positive

383793 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to steve_w, 1, #386 of 2049 🔗

If the tests are being done in a pathology lab, then they won’t be poorly trained. But that’s no guarantee if the test itself is flawed, or if patients are being infected in hospital.

383797 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to LMS2, 1, #387 of 2049 🔗

I was thinking about the rapidly set up lighthouse labs although I’m not really uptodate on who tests what and where

383812 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 1, #388 of 2049 🔗

Did you mean to say the false positive rate will be very high because prevalence is quite low?

383881 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #389 of 2049 🔗

no, the other way

the false positive rate is a function mainly of contamination and will scale with prevalence. PHE estimated 0.8-4% over the summer. probably higher now

then there is the probability of an individual actually being positive when they test positive which is also a function of prevalence. when prevalence is low and you test positive it will probably be false

in a matrix

reality

+ve -ve

test +ve hit fp

-ve miss zerozero

this is how I think of it anyway – the above 4 results are % of total tests so add up to 100%

top right is fp – it will go up with prevalence/contamination

fp/(fp+hit) is the chance you got a false positive #if you tested positive# which increases as prevalence decreases – ultimately going to 1 when there is none about (because it must be a false positive and something else other than contamination)

383895 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #390 of 2049 🔗

whoops my matrix didn;t format very well

but its here

https://www.dataschool.io/simple-guide-to-confusion-matrix-terminology/

and the difference between

  • True Positive Rate: When it’s actually yes, how often does it predict yes?
  • False Positive Rate: When it’s actually no, how often does it predict yes?
384001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, #391 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for clarifying. Just when thought i had got the hang of FPR 🙁

384293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #392 of 2049 🔗

I used the matrixes a lot for a job I did 20 years ago and some of the terminology changes. But looking at the matrices and a good tutorial is the easiest way to understand

383781 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mr ben, 5, #393 of 2049 🔗

Fake tests, fake results. Sorry about your grandfather, long life. He was blessed. Too bad the NHS did not take care of him as they should. Of course it is a CV death. They all are.

383790 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to mr ben, 5, #394 of 2049 🔗

I’m also concerned about the lack of visitors both for hospitals and care homes.
Neglect has killed a lot of frail elderly in the NHS for years. It’s nothing new. Unfortunately there’s now no way of seeing whether this I the case or not.
As you say, your wife’s grandfather will be included in the CV19 stats, although he very likely shouldn’t be. And with proper treatment, i.e. antibiotics and tlc, ensuring that he was drinking and eating on, he probably would have survived. But we’ll never know.

My condolences to you and your wife.

383846 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mr ben, 1, #395 of 2049 🔗

Very sorry to hear this.

384421 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to mr ben, 3, #396 of 2049 🔗

I’m so sorry for you. I lost my Mum in similar circumstances in 2018 age 94. If it had been 2020 they would have stuck C19 on the certificate. She was just old, tired and any infection was just the final straw.

384589 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mr ben, 2, #397 of 2049 🔗

Urinary infection can lead to kidney failure, which is a common cause of death in the old. Damn the wicked Covid lies.
Hope you have many happy memories of the old lad.

383769 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #398 of 2049 🔗

the Devil Sridhar is definitely one of those who should be joining the line-up against the wall

384213 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #399 of 2049 🔗

I think ignoring their shtick will hurt them more.

383775 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 30, #400 of 2049 🔗

“being sceptical about lockdowns can hardly be described as “hate”.”

That’s because what they really mean is they hate what you’re saying.

Other such tactics are accusing people of promoting conspiracy theories, of being a racist, homophobe, white supremacist (and you can be of any colour and still be a white supremacist, apparently), etc, etc.

What they really all mean is “Shut up!”

The only response is to not shut up, don’t back down, and definitely do not apologise.

383810 ▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 5, #401 of 2049 🔗

What they really all mean is “Shut up! ””

Yep.

The only response is to not shut up, don’t back down, and definitely do not apologise.

Yep.

383865 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Mark, 1, #402 of 2049 🔗

And promoting 2 or 3 layers of masks is the gag.

383930 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Hattie, 1, #403 of 2049 🔗

Although there are certainly a few people who could benefit from that treatment – starting with the likes of Ferguson and Sridhar.

384159 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to LMS2, 4, #404 of 2049 🔗

As Mark Steyn says, if everybody is Hitler then nobody is Hitler. The ludicrous overkill will defeat itself in time.

383785 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #405 of 2049 🔗

The difficult world of zero covid in the only country in the world that might,might pull it off.

NZ have now three community cases of C-19 with the South African variant now in Auckland. Mass testing ongoing. In the 14 days quarantine period after 2 negative test people were earlier allowed out of their rooms the last two days in the hotel. This is now to be stopped. You will be locked in your hotel room for 14 days.

The green travel corridor to Australia suspended as 12 NZ persons having finished their isolation at the Pullman hotel had enjoyed the green travel corridor to fly to Australia. They are now chased in Australia where the anxiety level has increased and travel corridor further suspended for some time. Increased isolation.

And UK is imitating NZ isolation quarantine policy in a farcically, ineffective manner whilst having million cases outside in the community in the UK.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-locations-visited-by-auckland-community-cases-revealed/D72YUO3NMNNQOWOVOCA2N3G7QI/

“Bloomfield announced earlier that all returnees in managed isolation would now be required to stay in their rooms for the last two days of their time in quarantine after the three new Covid-19 cases were discovered in the community.
Bloomfield said the latest two community cases, who were retested yesterday and announced last night, were a father and his young daughter from Auckland’s North Shore.
They had been moved into quarantine and the child’s mother is isolating at home for 14 days. It’s been confirmed the father and daughter also have the South African variant. They recently returned to New Zealand and left managed isolation at Auckland’s Pullman Hotel on January 15.”

383808 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to swedenborg, 3, #406 of 2049 🔗

We need to realise the agenda is the same everywhere, but the measures to implement it are tailored to suit the local circumstances.

In NZ they aren’t looking very hard , at the moment, and the vaccine is on it’s way.

383856 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to swedenborg, 3, #407 of 2049 🔗

So where did they get infected if they’d tested negative twice? And are any of them symptomatic?

384152 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to LMS2, #408 of 2049 🔗

A test always have some false negatives. These 3 individuals had all two tests neg in the hotel isolation. They might have picked up by a fellow hotel person who were false neg. They are now retesting all persons let out from the hotel.The first of the 3 had mild symptoms.Don’t know about details of the other 2 might have been asymptomatic and picked up by the screening described abve.But now they are mass screening their contacts.

384284 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, 2, #409 of 2049 🔗

How can pulling off zero Covid be considered a success?
I don’t believe it for one minute anyway.
They simply cannot be using 40-45 PCR cycles, because that would blow it out of the water right away. And they must have proper labs with top QA.
And it simply isn’t a solution. It means national isolation and collective susceptibility forever.
(Unless one has total faith in a vaccine….)

By contrast I’m looking at countries that have achieved collective immunity by natural exposure (whether by accident or design…)
And right now Sweden and India are up there.
Sweden had a small winter resurgence. But that is now rapidly on the decline. And give it another week or so, and they will be down to single figure daily deaths. How is that going to be explained away….?
(Will they be allowed to continue to report diminishing fatalities….?)

And in India, the declining deaths can really only be explained by herd immunity.
The nature of Indian society was always going to mean that the whole gamut of ‘lockdown’ measures was going to make no difference to the exposed proportion of the population.
Currently 111 deaths per million, with the UK virtually top of the parade at 1496…
And the India figures are declining fast. Too early for any vaccine effect.
And then I think back to all those fear stories about how India was going to be the perfect storm of death.
I believe it’s India that widely issue the preventitive/early symptom medication pack for less than $3.

383791 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #410 of 2049 🔗

Sorry if it’s been posted here previously, but don’t quite know what to think…….a pill to ward off Covid?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9195397/Irish-firm-advanced-stages-swallowable-coronavirus-vaccine-Leo-Varadkar-tells-MPs.html

383792 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #411 of 2049 🔗

Vitamins, exercise, outdoors ?

383803 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to FerdIII, 7, #412 of 2049 🔗

general happiness, wellbeing, hobbies, friends, meaning to life, freedom

all banned

383839 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ganjan21, #413 of 2049 🔗

What are they calling it, O’Becalp?

383847 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #414 of 2049 🔗

Ivermectin?

383794 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #415 of 2049 🔗

The Centre for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH) seems to be playing a big role in this smear campaign. Which is surely a case of mission creep, as being sceptical about lockdowns can hardly be described as “hate” .”

Gosh, you noticed that then?

The vast majority of the stuff censored as “racist”, “homophobic” etc could never honestly be described as “hatred”, but that never stopped it being censored or its proponents being smeared and hounded.

Most of the most vicious genuine actual hatred I’ve seen in my (moderately long) lifetime has been from the supposed “anti-hate” identity lobby groups hounding anyone they see as opposing their particular agenda. As so often in human life, they accuse others of what is in their own hearts.

And they have been enabled and empowered and rewarded for their hatred by donations, status, media access, state privileges, and selective lawmaking.

And as the precedents set by the identity lobbies for smearing opponents, controlling speech and banning opinions are extended into the issues of the new moment and used against dissenters on virus and vaccine, some among the new persecuted dissenting group will perhaps recognise the truth of the old warning on speech and opinion, that “we are either all free or none of us are”.

But most even of the new minority will fail to make the connection.

And the majority will blithely accept the new approach because, after all, it only applies to bad people and bad opinions. And they’ll do that until one day it’s their own opinions that become “bad”.

383840 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mark, 6, #416 of 2049 🔗

I’ve said much the same before I read your comment.
It’s just another way of making you shut up.
And it’s also part of Alinsky’s rules for radicals, i.e. accuse others of what you do yourself.
A prime example is the whole Russia collusion hoax perpetrated against Trump. It was precisely what the accusers were doing, in an attempt to deflect attention away from the Clinton email scandal.

I now view such accusations as confessions. You then just have to work out the finer details.

As for all those smears and accusations, the defence is to refuse to apologise or back down.
The downside is that they’ll just silence you through the media (social and mainstream), denying you any platform to defend yourself.

383896 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 1, #417 of 2049 🔗

As for all those smears and accusations, the defence is to refuse to apologise or back down.
The downside is that they’ll just silence you through the media (social and mainstream), denying you any platform to defend yourself.

This is why I regard Hitchens as so profoundly wrong on this, in his refusal to use Gab or Parler because of the company he would be keeping there.

Imo it’s actually a duty to stand with those being excluded, in the free speech platforms to which they are forced, whether or not you respect their opinions. That’s the only way to break the monopolies and ensure the existence of a platform when your own opinions become verboten.

383853 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 3, #418 of 2049 🔗

It is only “bad” opinions that need the protection of the right to freedom of expression. Anyone who says they are” in favour freedom of speech but..” is in favour of censorship. For them freedom of speech only extends to freedom to agree with them: even Stalin was in favour of such freedom.

383901 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #419 of 2049 🔗

Exactly so.

The response of course is always that it’s not about freedom of speech it’s about freedom not to associate. But that in the end is just the mob silencing dissent.

384315 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Mark, 3, #420 of 2049 🔗

Look how they came after JK Rowling for saying a woman is someone who is menstruating. Death threats! For stating a biological fact!! Your opinion cannot be right because it does not agree with mine.

384489 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Spikedee1, #421 of 2049 🔗

Indeed, but I have relatively little sympathy for those of the people crying about that who collaborated (and still collaborate) in the demonisation and exclusion of “racists” and “homophobes” etc.

383795 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #422 of 2049 🔗
383831 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to arfurmo, 11, #423 of 2049 🔗

I just sent a quick email to Sir Desmond thanking him for continuing to speak out, along with Sir Charles Walker, on our behalf.

383869 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 1, #424 of 2049 🔗

Saw that. Plus the odious Angela Rayner going after Sir D as well:

https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1354544350622085120

384326 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to arfurmo, 2, #425 of 2049 🔗

Great! Gove you muppet, so now show me the proof. Come on, one scientific paper to support your statement!!

384654 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to arfurmo, #426 of 2049 🔗

Great, let’s draw them out onto the field of battle.

384930 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #427 of 2049 🔗

he accepts that the COVID-19 situation “has changed entirely with the new variant”.

That’s a backing down in my book.

383798 Ganjan21, 6, #428 of 2049 🔗

Thankfully I dont have to homeschool and my son is almost 3 and daughter almost 2 and they’re creche is still open for them to go 3 days a week.
However my sister has 3 children and has to home school them all and juggle work too. She can’t work from home and is a key worker so she is stressed to the hilt. Her husband works shifts so they are doing the best they can. My 16 year old niece has been almost suicidal not being able to go to her dance classes and see her friends.

383799 guy153, replying to guy153, 14, #429 of 2049 🔗

Just came across this on Twitter:

https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=9819304&icde=53413189&ddparam=&ddvalue=&ddsub=&cr=1&csb=default&cs=ASC&pball=

The most recent project was funded in 2019. This is the scary part:

We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential

Translation: we’re going to produce actual hacked bat coronaviruses so that they can infect humans, and then infect animals (probably transgenic mice and monkeys) with them to see what happens.

The way infectious clone technology works is you get some RNA, of a modified coronavirus for example, turn it into DNA, wrap it up in a plasmid, throw it inside some cells, and they start producing actual modified viruses . This isn’t a pseudovirus platform. One slip-up and you infect a lab worker and its gets out.

This is the first and best evidence I have seen of this kind of research going on.

This Daszak guy also seems to be on the WHO team whitewashing investigating lab origin theories.

383822 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to guy153, 6, #430 of 2049 🔗

Aka: let’s make a more infectious virus, just in case a real one turns up, so we know how to make a vaccine against it.

Oops: it’s escaped from the lab and we don’t have a vaccine yet, but we’ll have one very soon, and we’ll bankrupt your country, destroy your society in the meantime. Not that it was our intention all along….

383880 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, 4, #431 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for hearing that from a virus expert. I cannot understand the need for this type of Frankenstein work. Supposedly this work is for the benefit of mankind, having vaccines ready for the next pandemic. But reading that type of work, even an amateur would be scared. This type of information was earlier in non official twitter threads but have now entered MSM like Hinton’s video for Fox news the other day linked in this blog.

There are numerous of mistakes in lab handling these viruses over the years. Why on earth do we need this type of work if it so potentially dangerous? You get the feeling we need to reign in these scientists. Perhaps we need to reign in, or perhaps better censor the information for the politicians, also the sequencing of the Sars-Cov-2 virus to stop a coming public health catastrophe.

384019 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 7, #432 of 2049 🔗

There has been a lot of debate about this kind of work and whether it should be banned, and it sort of was in the US, which is why they were doing it in China.

There are safer ways of doing it with pseudovirus platforms. These are a bit like viruses but they only work in the presence of some other agent and I think you can only use them in vitro. I guess there’s no subsitute for in vivo experiments and also for seeing what happens with a real complete coronavirus. It looks like they wanted to understand what kinds of mutations to watch out for in bat viruses. But I agree with you, this is far too risky. QED.

This also explains why the Chinese and Americans keep blaming each other. The virus escaped from a Chinese lab but it was Americans who were funding and/or doing the research.

384141 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 2, #433 of 2049 🔗

Steve Hilton’s The Next Revolution weekly current affairs show had a good section on this a few days ago highlighting Fauci’s funding in Wuhan of GOF work to thwart Obama’s US ban. Hilton was Cameron’s director of strategy.

384330 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to guy153, 3, #434 of 2049 🔗

Daszak, (who is actually from the UK I believe), is a name that should be right up there with Drosten and Ralph Barik, and the Philanthropath.
The fact that he is on the WHO team says it all.

The horseshoe bats in China had been minding their own business for millions of years, while harmlessly being the reservoir for coronaviruses endemic to their species.

Until somebody thought; ‘well lets research them just in case of ‘species spillover’.
And the rest is history.

(Though it was actually a US defence agency who sponsored most of the research by the ‘Eco-Health Alliance’.
All the large world powers do this kind of bio-weapon research, and can always forward the justification that they need to do it for bio-defence.)

383805 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #435 of 2049 🔗

These characteristics are: infantilisation, emotionalization, and relativisation. The Young-Girl, as model citizen of modern democracies, is childlike, sentimental, and eminently prepared to relinquish heretofore absolute values .”

This thinking could usefully be extended to look at the dominance of “offence culture” in the US sphere over the past few decades. Also in the universal idea that the state is responsible for health.

“I nfantilisation, emotionalization, and relativisation ” is a good summary of the predominant trends in US sphere society over the past half century at least.

383813 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mark, 3, #436 of 2049 🔗

And across the West in general.

It’s the end result of that long march through the institutions, accelerated by social media.

383859 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 3, #437 of 2049 🔗

I tend to use “US sphere” these days rather than “the West”. But I think we refer to basically the same thing.

“The west” imo is rather outdated, since the values that phrase represented (proper balances of reason, liberty, tradition) no longer exist as the dominant characteristics of the societies in question, and nor is it any longer considered acceptable to accord any importance to the peoples in question, so the prevailing remaining feature of these societies is merely that they give cultural or economic or political primacy to the US.

383838 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mark, 5, #438 of 2049 🔗

That goes on until society and economy break down, due to lack of real production.

You then get ‘young man’ cultures.

384964 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, #439 of 2049 🔗

Mad Max 5?

383809 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #440 of 2049 🔗

They just discounted the vaccine having any effect:

‘ Schools will not open until March at the earliest, Boris Johnson has said, as the Government works on a “three-stage plan” to release Britain from lockdown.
The Telegraph understands that officials are working on proposals which could see most shops closed until April, and pubs and restaurants shut until May.’

Just seasonal, then? What do they know about the vaccine? WTF? And we go along with this shite?

383823 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #441 of 2049 🔗

And we go along with this shite?

Of course we do, as we are basically a frit flock. We might baa baa occasionally, but get easily herded once the dog arrives.

383825 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #442 of 2049 🔗

So pubs closed from November to May. Who the f*** would run a pub or restaurant nowadays. Tim Martin needs to show leadership here, i know JDW is a chain, but it is in almost every town in Britain and can show the way.

383924 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #443 of 2049 🔗

It’s pretty obvious that either they think/know the vaccine doesn’t work OR they don’t care whether it does or not because it was never about a vaccine OR SAGE are running the country and don’t want it to end because, well, why would they?

383953 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 7, #444 of 2049 🔗

The vaccine works – 22 dead in a Basingstoke care home.

383814 TJN, replying to TJN, 7, #445 of 2049 🔗

The allowable reasons for children going to school – one key worker parent, can’t be taught at home, specific needs, etc. – are sufficiently wide that just about anyone can send their children to school, if they so wish. Bit like the mask exemptions. Truth be told, a lot of parents are unwilling to send their children to school, think they’re being virtuous and responsible by keeping them home. Each to their own I suppose.

Both mine are at school/nursery. I literally don’t think I’d be capable of homeschooling them.

Yes, it is had to begin to grasp the damage this must be doing to children. A monstrous crime.

383819 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TJN, 6, #446 of 2049 🔗

it is a crime and one day they will count the cost

383867 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 5, #447 of 2049 🔗

The children will certainly pay a cost. I hope to God the perpetrators of this crime get held fully to account and are made to pay for what they’ve done.

385333 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to TJN, #448 of 2049 🔗

Not necessarily so. My husband is a key worker, and the school has said they will take them, but it is a boarding school. The children would be sat alone in a study there, doing zoom lessons on their own. There are only about a dozen children in out of over 1000 in normal circumstances. She would be worse off and more lonely at school like that. My son similar at his school. Although there are some day children there who come in as well.

I’ve struggled to manage my workload and them on my own. I’ve signed off sick with stress for 2 weeks.

383815 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #449 of 2049 🔗

I’m lucky – I have 2 kids. i get up at 5 and work then homeschool from 9-12. my wife does the rest and only works 3 days a week from home.

the friends who are having a shit time are

1 – more than 2 kids or one partner can’t help (too busy job, not homeworking, not helpful)
2 – single mums

these people are trying to survive – the kids aren’t learning much – its awful

383861 ▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, #450 of 2049 🔗

I feel for you. My children are very young, primary and nursery. Nurseries are open so that isn’t a problem. But when the current school closure came through, in our area at least – but I think this was based on government guidance, there were loopholes which meant you could get your child into school if you really wanted to.I don’t know if that was the case in your area, or at least whether it was publicised as such?

The way things look, despite all the press coverage earlier week, it doesn’t seem that schools are going back before the summer term, if then.

383914 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to TJN, 2, #451 of 2049 🔗

our primary is open for key workers plus a load of others sneaked in – fine by me!

its ok. my and my wifes work is flexible and from home.

I also really like teaching the kids

I think they miss other kids a lot – there is 1 family that we ignore the rules with. Their best friends we ignored the rules until this last lockdown and they played constantly in our house or theirs or in the gardens – kept us all sane – friends mum wants to see her very aged mother a few more times so just being ultra careful

384092 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 1, #452 of 2049 🔗

Good luck! My kids won’t take the blind bit of notice of me if I try to teach them. More than happy to pile them off into school.

We don’t know anyone around here who’s willing to break the rules, so they don’t see anyone of their own ages outside school/nursery.

384507 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 1, #453 of 2049 🔗

And when they are at last back in class, the kids who have learned something will be put with the kids who have learned
nothing, and they will all be sent back to the beginning.

383885 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to PWL, 4, #455 of 2049 🔗

This is why Japan and other Far Eastern countries have nothing like the problem of the West . They do not use ACEIs or ARBs. I agree the FBEL site has been saying this for moths, but doctors in the Far East have been saying this since early February. The problem the West has is that so many people are ‘hooked’ onto the ACE2 drugs that there would be an enormous death rate if they tried to get them off them quickly.
But it is absolutely scandulous that this discussion is not taking place openly.
I have some sympathy for the arguments about LDS site expressed in the article.

384023 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to peyrole, #456 of 2049 🔗

Can anyone point me somewhere that explains which drugs we are talking about here?

383826 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 25, #458 of 2049 🔗

Firstly some hard facts.
The PCR test at the amplification rates employed is not fit for purpose.
Covid19 is not a disease it is a ‘syndrome’.
‘novel’ Coronavirus is one of thousands.
Death Certificates are manipulated to show covid19 as cause of death.
Excess deaths in 2020 are at the same level as 2008.
Every year over 600,000 people die in UK, most are old.
The so-called vaccines don’t create immunity, at best just reduce symptoms.

The article by Sinead Murphy in today’s ‘above the line’ content is excellent. It summarises the change in western societies over the last few dacades and how this so-called epidemic is being used.
The ‘Young-Girl’ advocates , as described by Murphy, have changed the social fabric of western society. Two recent events threatened that movement, Trump and Brexit. I am not arguing the merits or otherwise of these events, just their effect. Approx 50% of the populations of US and UK voted for something completely against the ‘Young-Girl’ movement. This horrified the other 50% who had assumed their movement was in the ascendency for ever.
The correlation is not complete, but there is a good fit between those who voted for Trump and brexit and those who do not support the current ‘Public Health’ autocracy. Just look at the red/blue split of states in the US and see the lockdown states and those who have stayed relatively free.
What is happening here is a societal struggle; covid19 and climate change ‘Young-Girl’ advocates versus harder logic sceptics/traditionalists. Hive dwellers versus frontiersmen. Elio versus Morlock.
Make no mistake, the lockdown advocates, the vaccine pushers do not want a return of ‘normality’, they want to use this and the on-going climate ‘crisis’ to speed up the ‘Young-Girl’ movement so that we never know ‘reality’ again.

383855 ▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 14, #459 of 2049 🔗

Spot on. As I have argued before, Covid-19 has been ‘weaponised’ to suit a political and environmental ‘woke’ agenda. Which is why we must fight back with whatever means we have at our disposal.

384006 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peyrole, 6, #460 of 2049 🔗

The people I know who are in favour of the lockdown, social distancing, face mask madness (rules which they constantly break) were also Remainers, indeed, they still haven’t accepted the Leave vote.

384090 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #461 of 2049 🔗

I have to object to people linking remainers with lockdown fanatics on here. Myself and my partner voted to remain but are totally anti-lockdown, and I have friends who voted for Brexit who are in favour of all the extreme measures. I don’t think this place should be a platform for the Brexit/remain debate. Surely we are all on the ‘same side’ here regarding lockdowns and should keep other political affiliations out of it.

384117 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Old Trout, 1, #462 of 2049 🔗

Take your point but I think there’s something in the not accepting votes argument. Clinton has still not accepted 2016 and still thinks it was Putin.

384267 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #463 of 2049 🔗

Certainly among the people I work with those who voted Remain are the most strident in terms of advocating lockdowns, social distancing and masking. Here in the LS community its not as clear cut as that.

384353 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #464 of 2049 🔗

And every single one them has not lost a penny in wages or benefits since day one. Show me a “I was made unemployed during lockdown, I am in danger of losing my house and my daughter is self harming and suicidal but I 100% support masks and lockdown”!

384878 ▶▶ ogri, replying to peyrole, 2, #465 of 2049 🔗

If death certs in England are being manipulated then according to Dolores Cahill that is medical negligence and the doctor involved can be struck off and even imprisoned: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

383828 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 12, #466 of 2049 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9194443/FOUR-members-family-died-Covid-met-Christmas-bubble.html

I missed the bit about it being compulsoory to all meet up on Xmas day.

383835 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 6, #467 of 2049 🔗

Disgraceful stuff.

383842 ▶▶ Blair Witch, replying to arfurmo, 12, #468 of 2049 🔗

No strangers to the biscuit tin.

383892 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to arfurmo, 11, #469 of 2049 🔗

Whenever there are stories about a) younger people dying or b) a cluster of closely related people dying, there’s always more to it. It’s usually related to pre-existing conditions and obesity. Let’s see how many boxes this ticks.

The 48 year old man was morbidly, morbidly obese.
The elderly woman had a pre-existing condition (diabetes) and went into hospital after a fall. She was also obese.
The elderly man had a pre-existing condition (dementia).

The only person they don’t link anything to is the 82 year old man, and well, he’s 82. He also looks quite frail.

384040 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to John Galt, 6, #470 of 2049 🔗

I’m becoming more and more genuinely of the view that many of these reported types of deaths (family groups, unexpected younger people) could easily be down to iatrogenic death, if not institutional murder. Granted, the members of this family were clearly in the ‘vulnerable’ category. I see that the article even says that they were all ‘healthy with no underlying conditions other than [the mother] who had diabetes’. You’ve just to look at the photos to see that is b*llocks.

But could there be more to it than that? In cases such as this family and other individuals in a similar state of health, are they really receiving the best medical care and treatment for their respective underlying conditions? If they are already on medication for other conditions are they still being treated for those conditions or is the focus purely on them being ‘covid’ patients, thereby neglecting to treat their other ailments?

We also have to know whether everything possible was done to save them or whether at some point they were placed on ‘end of life’ care. If they were all in the same hospital there would no doubt be a similar judgement call for all of them.

What disturbs me about this report, and one yesterday about a 40 year old (overweight) woman, is the circumstances in which it was decided to place them in induced comas on ventilators. In today’s article we are told that the fiancee received a phone call from her fiance who told her that they were going to place him on a ventilator. Yesterday, it’s reported that the woman in question had been regularly posting on Facebook about her stay in hospital, her last post even saying that they were going to place her in an induced coma and had warned her she “might not make it”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9189525/Fit-healthy-air-stewardess-40-killed-Covid.html

I recall last April or May seeing a Youtube interview with a senior New York IC doctor in which he was critical of the rush to ventilate patients with ‘covid symptoms’. He explained it was very much a ‘last resort’ and he would definitely not consider placing one of his patients on a ventilator if they were lucid and could follow a conversation even if they were having difficulty breathing. He said his policy was to persevere with an enhanced oxygen supply and often there would be significant improvement after a couple of days. My question is whether hospitals are feeling obliged or pressurised to use ventilators because such a fuss was made about them in the early days and they are just following orders.

384149 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #471 of 2049 🔗

Very good post.

I’ve also read plenty about ventilators. People going in because they’re not feeling brilliant, testing positive for COVID, getting put on a ventilator, and then either ending up near dead or dying.

I think there’s a lot of murder to suit an agenda going on at the moment too. The care homes are the clearest indicator. They purposely spread it around care homes back in March to take out the absolute most vulnerable, then the ones that survived, but are still obviously vulnerable, they’re now wiping out with the vaccine.

385179 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to arfurmo, #472 of 2049 🔗

Oh fuck, the Santa strain.

383833 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #473 of 2049 🔗

Get it while it is hot. Krankface is in twitter with video message pleading for young folk not to leave the SNP in “large numbers” as they reportedly are.

https://twitter.com/IreneSc10551404/status/1354526340062588928?s=20

Not the kind of thing that goes on mid plague-on. Consider any other so-called leader getting on a soap box to beg young supporters to stay in their political party in deepest so called wave two. It’s a good day, sturgeon is being destroyed if front of our eyes.

See Craig Murray’s blog for a detailed account of how the Scottish devolved government including westminster MPs plotted schemed and haven’t been bothering with integrity for some years now.

383868 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 10, #474 of 2049 🔗

Craig Murray’s blog makes for grim reading. If he gets put in jail and the SNP get independence and maintain power (along with other things such as their invade-your-home hate speech laws and the ability of a third person nominated by the state to have legal rights over your child) , we will be, in effect, living in a dictatorship. The SNP are a group of very dark people.

383887 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to jb12, 6, #475 of 2049 🔗

I agree but the sentiment expressed on the Wings over Scotland blog is uplifting. They are the largest pro-indy blog and they hate Sturgeon. Not just because of her autocratic and corrupt manner but because many of them hate a lot of the “woke” agenda. Read the articles, read the comments. http://www.wingsoverscotland.com

383907 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #476 of 2049 🔗

Yes, you are correct. I should have said the core group that leads the SNP at the moment, rather than the SNP as a whole. That said, as long as they maintain control, we are heading down a dark road in Scotland, and if Craig Murray is to be believed, they are attempting to purge the political scene of anyone who might also benefit from independence.

383937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to jb12, 2, #477 of 2049 🔗

But you need activist to win elections. Mrs Krankie may postpone them but she won’t be able to do so forever. Add in to the mix that Alex Salmond is a widely respected politician.

383997 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to jb12, #478 of 2049 🔗

I was a supporter of Craig Murray and his site back in the Skripal days but have drifted away. I tried to read through all his case paper stuff yesterday and gave up, he seems to have lost his way.

384044 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to davews, #479 of 2049 🔗

Can you explain what you mean specifically?

383991 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 2, #480 of 2049 🔗

Murray’s court statement is very powerful and must worry Sturgeon and others. Alex Salmond needs to bring proceedings.

383837 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 10, #481 of 2049 🔗

Disturbing convo overheard in Aldi queue this morning:

Will it ever end?

Not while they let all them American tourists and Nigerian students in, it won’t.

And that’s another thing – why don’t Africa have the numbers we do?

I am afraid this will not end well.

383857 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to eptwll, 8, #482 of 2049 🔗

There is something very positive there – the Africa question.

Indicates brain activity.

383858 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to eptwll, 16, #483 of 2049 🔗

Haha. Yes London is absolutely teeming with American tourists at the moment, there’s so much for them to do! And with all the people not dying in Africa, those Nigerian students are a real menace.

The people in that conversation may well win the prize for the worst take on COVID yet.

383913 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #484 of 2049 🔗

No idea why this was down voted. It is obviously sarcastic.

There are quite obviously no American tourists here and Nigerian students are obviously not responsible for COVID.

383864 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to eptwll, 17, #485 of 2049 🔗

“Why don’t Africa have the numbers we do”

  • Less old people per capita
  • They use Ivermectin and HCQ

Our doctors have blood on their hands…

383899 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Andrew K, 12, #486 of 2049 🔗

The blazing 50° heat, having more pressing issues to contend with and no social media hysteria. Just a few glaring suggestions why they might have a different perspective.

384071 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #487 of 2049 🔗

Reiner Fuellmilch once said that Germany sponsored PCR tests to be carried out in Namibia, and it is one of the countries now which reports “high” numbers.
(Namibia is a exGerman territory, and RF has connections there).

383905 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 11, #488 of 2049 🔗

That plus they can’t afford lockdowns and have more pressing issues to deal with. As an African official I read somewhere was quoted as saying, malaria was a bigger problem than Covid.

383911 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 2, #489 of 2049 🔗

Infectious respiratory diseases – like the various flus – are a characteristic of mid-latitudes with low humiditywhere aerosols are stable in the air.

The ACE2 argument, propagated by FBEL might also be pertinent here – Sars Cov2 sometimes causing illness due to over.medication in Western societies.

384031 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to eptwll, 3, #490 of 2049 🔗

Yes, all those Nigerian students are coming to the UK to catch COVID.

383851 katz, replying to katz, 3, #491 of 2049 🔗

How ironic that George Orwell Monbiot wrote this in the ‘Comment is Free’ section 🙂 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/covid-lies-cost-lives-right-clamp-down-misinformation?CMP=fb_cif

383870 ▶▶ Mark, replying to katz, 5, #492 of 2049 🔗

And the idea that any of the lockdown fanatics’ nonsense is published under “facts are sacred” is equally absurd.

But the Guardian has been absurd all my life and I don’t suppose that will ever change.

383890 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 5, #493 of 2049 🔗

They have been appalling. No balance or insight at all.

384030 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to katz, 3, #494 of 2049 🔗

The obvious one line rebuttal to Monbiot is “What happens when Government decides your opinion needs to be banned?”

384392 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to katz, 2, #495 of 2049 🔗

I do have to say who gives a flying fuck what a know nothing says in the guardian? It has a readership of about 10! Wow supporters of the government think we should be silenced, who knew? This is the equivalent of a child shouting in the corner because it can’t get it own way! Just put them in the naughty corner and ignore them!

383854 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 12, #496 of 2049 🔗

Many thanks to Dr Murphy for a typically brilliant piece.

I appreciate it so much when someone articulates so precisely something which I recognise but can’t put succinctly into words. That infuriating over-emotional sentimentalism and infantilisation that is everywhere and so seemingly accepted, now has a description, Young-Girl, that I can use against its proponents.

And I will, my own family included.

383925 ▶▶ gina, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #497 of 2049 🔗

yep – a very good piece. Her email is available if you fancy thanking her personally.

383941 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to gina, 2, #498 of 2049 🔗

I intend to 🙂

Her pieces are always good, but this one in particular hit home and will be very useful to me.

384010 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #499 of 2049 🔗

oh good – she won’t think I’m the lone nutter then. 🙂

384127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to gina, 2, #500 of 2049 🔗

She certainly deserves a much wider audience than us ‘nutters’ on here, lol, and I hope she is achieving that.

385347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Dame Lynet, #501 of 2049 🔗

🙂

384417 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #502 of 2049 🔗

This is really prevalent in the US with the mob! Like AOC and Talib. Shout loud on twitter, do blogs and never debate with anybody who disagrees with your opinion. If anybody disagrees, dog pile and get them cancelled. Shallow and vacuous and Left wing and all Green new deal supporters! Also none of them have ever done a days work or set up a business. These are the future of economic growth and free speech!

384575 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #503 of 2049 🔗

It’s everywhere, especially among females I’m sorry to say, and these are the ones promoted by the likes of the bbc, such as Sridhar and that Marianna Spring creature with her infantile, exclamation mark littered rubbish. We used to prize resilience and fortitude, not this irritating sentimental, fact-free mush.

Dr Murphy’s analysis provides a good understanding of and a counter to it.

383871 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 30, #504 of 2049 🔗

There’s been a lot of gloom on here lately. I suggest that part of it may be down to the month – January is normally a bad time for feeling depressed. Christmas is over and it’s not yet spring, the nights are slightly lighter but not by much. I think that one of the factors that may weaken or wreck the lockdown policy is the school issue. Some of the ardent Lockdown Nazis on social media are also complaining vociferously about how difficult it is to cope with their children’s school work and how everyone is being let down.

Keep up the good work, Toby et al.

383886 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #505 of 2049 🔗

Sceptics must surely be a happier bunch on the whole than zealots. Imagine thinking there are thousands of preventable deaths happening every day, getting overly wrapped up in vaccine roll out etc…
My head would pop off if I was taking the narrative at face value.

383909 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #506 of 2049 🔗

Having just read the Twitter thread on the front page about mortality in the 18-65 age group, I think there are many preventable deaths happening every day. Just not Covid ones.

383893 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #507 of 2049 🔗

“Some of the ardent Lockdown Nazis on social media are also complaining vociferously about how difficult it is to cope with their children’s school work and how everyone is being let down.”

Lockdown deniers.

383920 ▶▶ gina, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #508 of 2049 🔗

I think you might be right on the schools issue. Awful that the leverage has to come from the suffering of children.

383875 James Leary #KBF, 1, #509 of 2049 🔗

DW:

‘Coronavirus: Europe looks for a way out of vaccine fiasco’.

The Germans seem to think the EU financed the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. Perhaps they were including the U.K. in the definition of ‘EU’ as it was during the transition period.

https://p.dw.com/p/3oRIA

383894 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #510 of 2049 🔗

Does anyone know if they’ve reduced the cycles of the PCR tests yet? I read something about the cycles being too high and returning a lot of false positives (no shit) a few weeks ago and subsequently the WHO recommended carrying out fewer cycles. I’ve not seen anything else since though so wasn’t sure if they’ve reduced the cycles now hence the reason for the falling case numbers.

383900 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #511 of 2049 🔗

I emailed my MP the new WHO guidance and he said he was going to contact DoH

383916 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 11, #512 of 2049 🔗

That is exactly the question that ‘journalists’ should be asking at the regular televised ‘briefings’. It shouldn’t be down to Joe Public to have to identify such important questions and investigate for themselves.

383936 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dodderydude, 12, #513 of 2049 🔗

They wouldn’t be allowed to ask.All the questions are scripted.One yesterday went to Van tam.he looked down at his lectern to answer it.

383947 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #514 of 2049 🔗

They would probably get sanctioned by Ofcom if they stepped out of line.

Speaking of, what kind of a name is “Ofcom” anyway? Sounds so much like Minitrue, Minipax, Miniplenty, Miniluv. Could be because Orwell was English, so he inevitably got inspiration from the British government. On the other hand, Ofcom was announced in 2001. So… yeah.

385184 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #515 of 2049 🔗

Offred?

383951 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #516 of 2049 🔗

They could still ask, but these ‘journalists’ are bought and paid for.

383974 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #517 of 2049 🔗

Looking at this, I’d hazard a guess that the cycles were reduced around the start of January.

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

383986 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Bill H, 1, #518 of 2049 🔗

Yeah, I did wonder. I suspect they’ve just gone about it very quietly and there will be much made of the fact that lockdown and vaccines ‘work’ because the numbers are falling.

384067 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bill H, #519 of 2049 🔗

agreed….

384102 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #520 of 2049 🔗

Asked Whately on 5 November if it was set at 45, still waiting …

383897 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #521 of 2049 🔗

Since the start of the lockdown and of vaccinations, daily deaths and daily cases as reported by the government have been constantly increasing, and are now absurdly high. How can people be so dumb as to not realize that both lockdowns and vaccinations at the very least do nothing, and at most make things worse?

383938 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #522 of 2049 🔗

Because they think it would have been worse without all the restrictions, which is why 4,000 deaths a day was mentioned in the autumn and then quietly revised – it gave an entirely impossible ‘target’ and anything below it is seen as the lockdowns working. You have to hand it to them, the people devising these schemes are intelligent in the extreme, but their whole charade relies on a dimwit populace, which is, unfortunately, exactly what we have.

383950 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to jb12, 4, #523 of 2049 🔗

If only being stupid hurt.

383898 NickR, replying to NickR, 21, #524 of 2049 🔗

I know many people here are fed up with the data, all cause mortality is more difficult to manipulate but I suspect it’s been impacted a lot by:

  • Neglect of old people’s care leading to problems stemming from dehydration, depression, infections of all sorts.
  • Truncated & postponed cancer treatment.
  • Delayed/untreated stroke & heart attacks.

It is perfectly clear from the data in the charts that we had a pandemic in spring but that now we have an enhanced but perfectly normal profile of deaths amongst the elderly.

383992 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NickR, 4, #525 of 2049 🔗

No, Nick, please keep the data coming.

I agree completely with your assessment of the impact of the factors you mention on all cause mortality.

383993 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to NickR, 5, #526 of 2049 🔗

Nick,

Don’t give up on the data work.

It is the underpinning of the truth.

And you do it well.

Cheers

385307 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, #527 of 2049 🔗

I love your graphs. I frame them.
😉

383903 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #528 of 2049 🔗

We are coming up to the end of January and this nonsense will continue well past the March “anniversary”. The weather will be improving and people will be getting more and more angry and will hopefully be getting ready to give the “potato in a wig” (and his two ronnies) a roasting to remember this summer if “tier 2 or worse” is all we can ever now expect from these evil clowns.

383931 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 4, #529 of 2049 🔗

Yes there are people who may not have seen their family for an entire year or at the most only a couple of times and will bound to get fed up.

384427 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to nickbowes, #530 of 2049 🔗

Did you see Katie’s pile of shit video on YouTube this morning? Very funny

383906 isobar, replying to isobar, 11, #531 of 2049 🔗

Bill Gates surprised that’s he is getting it in the neck!
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/01/27/crazy-and-evil-bill-gates-surprised-by-pandemic-conspiracies/

Check out the comments section to see the eye watering amounts that his foundation has pumped into ‘supporting ‘ journalism

384234 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to isobar, 1, #532 of 2049 🔗

You forgot to include the inverted commas around the word “journalism” there, iso.

383908 Nottheonly1, 12, #533 of 2049 🔗

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/25/heres-a-graph-they-dont-want-you-to-see/

With new data like this, the real purpose of the plandemic becomes more obvious and more preposterous every day. Forcing people to ‘lock down’ and wear masks is detrimental to their physical and mental health. In that lie the reasons as to why it is done. Time to take the gloves off and demand resignations via mass disobedience.

383915 Bart Simpson, 2, #534 of 2049 🔗

Excellent thread on Twitter pointing out the collateral damage caused by lockdowns:

https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1354647563312504834

383921 NickR, 5, #535 of 2049 🔗

….. for those of you waiting for the 45-64 age group. Here it is.

383944 Achilles, 6, #536 of 2049 🔗

Well we said way back in Spring that if you ignore the PCR false positive problem and if you believe lockdowns are an appropriate level of response to a respiratory virus then you would end up putting yourself in a situation you can’t get out of which is exactly where we are. Lockdown 3 and counting. Once again sceptics proven right.

383946 JHUNTZ, 1, #537 of 2049 🔗

Christmas day = Estimated 6 Months lockdown (Source: School of Ferguson Modelling)

383948 Bunter, replying to Bunter, 12, #538 of 2049 🔗

Never ending.
I am beginning to believe that the majority of our population don’t want this to end. It has become their ‘religion’ with zealots trying to be the most strict in their lockdown severity.
People are obsessed with every tiny mention of variance and antibodies- without having any understanding of what they actually mean.
Very worrying..

383959 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bunter, 13, #539 of 2049 🔗

Someone in this comment section did point out a while ago that it gives people purpose. I would argue that this purpose is akin to being given a pitchfork in hell to torment your fellow lost souls, but it is a purpose nonetheless. And we’ve had some very smart people telling us for years that people in the West are suffering from lack of purpose. It really is a match made in hell.

383976 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bunter, 6, #540 of 2049 🔗

I watched part of the Channel 4 Holocaust programme last night, with one survivor describing how the Jews were marched away, to the ghetto or cattle trucks, and all the other citizens refused to look at them, like they didn’t exist.

That’s how i feel we could be headed, with the vaccine refuses being ostracized, ghettoised, and all everyone else looking the other way, refusing to acknowledge the wickedness in their midst.

384002 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to LMS2, 8, #541 of 2049 🔗

It’s already happening. Look at what’s been happening for years with victims of child abuse, just because their abusers have the wrong skin color for bad publicity. Look what’s been happening to Tommy Robinson. He’s basically been unpersoned. You may not agree with him or what he does or how he does it, but you should at least agree that the state cannot persecute individuals they find inconvenient. And let’s not even mention what’s happening in the US.

384184 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to LMS2, 3, #542 of 2049 🔗

And it did not end well for those who looked away. 5M militiary casualties and up to 2M civilans during and after the war. Cities reduced to rubble and women subjected to horrific rapes by the victorious Red army.
So in the longer term was it wortth looking the other way?

384231 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to LMS2, 1, #543 of 2049 🔗

When the economic and societal devastation reaches a point where even the BBC can no longer ignore it, there will have to be someone to blame. The most easily-identifiable stigma, the 21st-century equivalent of the yellow star on the sleeve, will be carried by those who were offered the “vaccine” and refused it.

384439 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to LMS2, 2, #544 of 2049 🔗

Saw on UK Column news a Dutch woman criticising a young girl who was hit point blank with a water cannon, knocking her out and requiring 18 stitches in her head. This local old woman Basically said I’m glad you got hurt because I could not go out!!!

Were you the bitch that gave away Anne Frank’s position to the SS? My god where is your humanity, This young girl could have been killed, what the fuck is the matter with you!

383955 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 12, #545 of 2049 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x4AyhRYMvoY
Matt Hancock ANSWER THIS QUESTION! / Hugo Talks #lockdown

https://www.carehome.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1641654/95-per-cent-of-care-homes-have-had-whole-home-vaccination-for-residents-reveals-NCF-poll
95% of care homes in England have had all residents vaccinated, reveals NCF poll
Last Updated: 27 Jan 2021 @ 09:40 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9188551/Coronavirus-UK-Weekly-care-home-death-toll-triples-fortnight.html
Weekly Covid deaths in care homes nearly TRIPLED in a fortnight with 1,705 residents dying in England and Wales last week as pandemic total surges past 30,000
1,705 care home residents died from the virus in the week ending January 22
That was up from 661 a fortnight ago and 1,292 in week ending January 15
Care home residents account for almost third of all Covid fatalities, ONS says
By EMILY WEBBER FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 15:57, 26 January 2021

Question: if care home residents have been vaccinated, why have deaths tripled???

383970 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to LMS2, 4, #546 of 2049 🔗

P.S.: which makes me glad I refused a CV19 jab for my mum, especially considering she’d tested positive a month ago and has recovered with almost no symptoms.

383971 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to LMS2, 1, #547 of 2049 🔗

Is this a rhetorical question?

383985 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, #548 of 2049 🔗

Probably. I doubt Hancock reads this site, or we wouldn’t be so deep in governmental BS.

384047 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #549 of 2049 🔗

Hancock may not, but I’m sure someone in government is keeping an eye on it.
Perhaps they can answer the question.

384028 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to LMS2, 4, #550 of 2049 🔗

At least most of the DM comments are saying the same thing and not buying the Gov. narrative on this.

384045 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to LMS2, 2, #551 of 2049 🔗

The fatal injections going well then.

384048 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to LMS2, 4, #552 of 2049 🔗

I hope more and more people associate vaccines with soon after deaths in care homes.
I mentioned it to my compliant father In Germany, about Gibraltar, and he immediately replied: Well, they must have been ill before then.
and I haven’t read anything about this in the MSM.
No, they wouldn’t. Local papers have been reporting it, but not his Springer local paper.
Good for the Mail to report this.

384221 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Silke David, #553 of 2049 🔗

Good heavens, that media empire still exists, then? Is old Axel running it from beyond the grave these days, or what?

384124 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to LMS2, 1, #554 of 2049 🔗

Will the relatives of these care home dead say the vaccine came too late or will they think it came just in time for their loved ones to die from something more acceptable I wonder.

How will the media report these deaths if at all? Will we see articles telling everyone that Uncle Joe got the vaccine just in time so he could die of the heart attack that was his God given right? Had the vaccine come later then he’d have been another tragic victim but instead he is a welcome statistic of normal death.

384135 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to LMS2, 1, #555 of 2049 🔗

There is also the Norway care homes deaths in frail elderly issue that has mostly gone under the radar here, but as I understand it has prompted caution in the policy of administration of the vaccine in these individuals.

384199 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to LMS2, 1, #556 of 2049 🔗

Question: if care home residents have been vaccinated, why have deaths tripled???

Question: if care homes are still locked up like Fort Knox, why have deaths tripled???

383960 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #557 of 2049 🔗

Guardian. The killing off of all culture

“UK music industry outraged over licence fee cost for live-streamed events
“A PRS tariff on virtual events grossing less than £500 could make online performances – often raising money for struggling artists and technical staff – ‘grind to a halt’, critics say
“Music industry bodies have criticised the Performing Rights Society (PRS) after it instituted a licence fee for ticketed small-scale live-streamed performances that they said will leave some grassroots out of pocket.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/28/uk-music-industry-outraged-over-licence-fee-cost-for-live-streamed-events

Webstreaming is required for any musical event at the moment. Therefore taxes must be places upon it. When candle tax happened people burned rushes, when window take occured people lived in the dark.

383963 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 8, #558 of 2049 🔗

Didn’t you see them celebrating freedom of the press now that Biden is allegedly president? No one blocked any press while Trump was in office, but a lot of press has been silence over Biden. The Guardian are a bunch of morons. Or they’re well paid to say these things.

383972 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #559 of 2049 🔗

Monibots piece the other day attacking the truth was laughably incoherent.

384078 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bill H, #560 of 2049 🔗

Upvote for ‘Monibot’ deserves to be more popular.

384076 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #561 of 2049 🔗

New York Post Hunter Biden laptop story?

384107 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #562 of 2049 🔗

Had a typo in there. I meant “silenced”, not “silence” or “silent”.

383965 Mark, 4, #563 of 2049 🔗

Mexico

Interesting to see Jo Ashton’s personal account, because I’ve seen Mexico held up as an example of the kind of disaster that can result from not locking down. See the BMJ propaganda published at the end of last year:

Covid-19: How denialism led Mexico’s disastrous pandemic control effort
I suspect the situation is complicated, but it will be interesting to see what the all cause death numbers actually are for last year. No idea how it will ever be possible to untangle deaths caused by lockdown from those, though, in a country like Mexico.

It’s likely going to need detailed analysis by some very knowledgeable people to debunk the panicker propaganda here.

383966 Bill H, 11, #564 of 2049 🔗

Sometimes I like to go back to the simple data

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

The ‘virus’ is clearly in all out retreat. Which must be good news.

We need to be ready for the next phase.

‘Sometimes it is wise to give your enemy a Golden Bridge which they can retreat over’

Best

383989 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to isobar, 23, #566 of 2049 🔗

Swayne is a good man, with empathy and a concience, thank goodness for people like him, and how terrible for these people to attack him like this. I wish he was my MP

383990 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 8, #567 of 2049 🔗

The top comments are excellent.

384017 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to this is my username, 1, #568 of 2049 🔗

Aren’t they just!

384096 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, #569 of 2049 🔗

Pretty much all of the comments.

384003 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 3, #570 of 2049 🔗

for something said in November. Surely Gove could have spoken out then?

384015 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #571 of 2049 🔗

But the totalitarian noose hadn’t tightened enough in November to enable this kind of attack; nor had the vaccine saviour come so close to failing.

When the powerful fuck up, they grab more power. The powerful have fucked up very badly for ten months…

384008 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to isobar, 3, #572 of 2049 🔗

Well I hope if he reads this he knows I went on RightMove to look for a house in his constituency when I saw him in action a couple of weeks ago. That I thought he was a rational advocate in a sea of drivel. How I would LOVE to have an MP like him. And The Highwire with Del Bigtree has been a bastion of common sense that has stopped me descending into despair over the last year. And I never thought I’d find myself saying that about someone associated with Andrew Wakefield. (Who also now contrives to talk more sense than most of Parliament).

385536 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheHandbag, #573 of 2049 🔗

You swallowed the establishment line about Wakefield ? Shame.

384070 ▶▶ TJN, replying to isobar, 4, #574 of 2049 🔗

The Conservative Party is finished. Swayne and the others must know that, and that they have to find a new political home to shelter under.

By now they must be coming to the reluctant realisation that the current Conservative Party is a sham, an imposter, a changeling – and that it has to be destroyed in order to make breathing room for something new.

I write this as a former Conservative voter.

384103 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to TJN, 3, #575 of 2049 🔗

Yes. The Tories are finished. But what scares me is the alternative. Labour is worse. There must be a better option.

384443 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #576 of 2049 🔗

Yes, Labour are indeed worse. We need a Political Reset, and I’m sure it’s coming. Whether we like it or not, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.

384696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to TJN, 1, #577 of 2049 🔗

Political Reset. Great Reset. It’s the race of the resets, and our future depends on it.

384153 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to TJN, 2, #578 of 2049 🔗

I second that as a former Conservative Party member (till March last year).

384308 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to isobar, 3, #579 of 2049 🔗

Everyone here: please send an email of support to Sir Des: swayned@parliament.uk , whether or not you are a constituent of his. He’s one of the most principled MPs in Parliament and he’s now under pressure from his own party, from the opposition and from the press, for speaking truth to power. You might not agree with him on every issue but we need people like him and he needs us. Also write to your own MPs (particularly important if they are Conservatives) and ask them to support him.

384446 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve F, #580 of 2049 🔗

Going to send him a thank-you card.

383982 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 15, #581 of 2049 🔗

Taking a break from home educating, (which as I’m a Home Educator by choice of 5 years or so, is letting my child play while I arrange for us to go for a walk with another family who are fearless about govt strictures), to sing the praises of Sinéad Murphy‘s piece on the Young Girl.

Bloody hell! Philosophers! Thank you. It’ll take about 30 more passes and then more for Tiqqun’s work, but I think I finally understand something that has been bothering me for at least the last 20 years, namely the cult of female mediocrity at high levels of every institution. Of the cult of control of thought whenever a woman has the temerity to express an un-cushioned opinion.

It felt so strange, as a Grammar School product, to be requested for interview and then rejected because I was too “strident and opinionated”. I’ve always been that way. I suppose I was rather unique for a Lincolnshire schoolgirl. Or rather the 1980s fetishisation of Margaret Thatcher was having a rebound effect of making women “like her” suddenly very unappealing. But what I am starting to grasp is that I was not part of the Good Girl Future Of Britain brigade. My social conditioning had failed. So of course, I couldn’t possibly be their kind of candidate because I wouldn’t silently and undemandingly take up space, and only as much space as was allotted to a mediocre woman.

This makes so much sense finally of the number of pathetic and mediocre women circulating on the COVID circuit at present. And I wonder, are the disproportionate number of 2nd and 3rd generation ex-colonials also part of this Young-Girl upsurge? And is that why they’re all so hopeless and crap? Because they’ve only learnt how to disarm, not how to communicate decisions rationally and take real responsibility? (When is someone going to tell Sunak that money isn’t printed Zimbabwe-style, but needs a functioning economy to underpin it? That an economy isn’t a confidence trick?)

Wow! I’m in awe. Thank you Sinéad Murphy.

384059 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TheHandbag, 5, #582 of 2049 🔗

Another great post Handbag.

As an aside point, many of the stars of Scepticism are women: Sherelle Jacobs, Lionel Schriver, Alison Pearson, Clare Craig, and now Julia HB. Also, by my subjective reading, very many (a disproportionate??) of the best posters on here are also women.

Not sure how or if we can split the sexes on this subject, but by my reckoning women are doing their bit, and maybe more than that.

384064 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #583 of 2049 🔗

Exhibit ‘A’ The Right Honourable The Baroness Harding of Winscombe.

384093 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to TheHandbag, #584 of 2049 🔗

Sounds like you need to listen to some Jordan Peterson.

383984 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 28, #585 of 2049 🔗

Lockdown/ish, only for some.
People I talk to in trades, never been so busy working in peoples houses, many jobs lasting several days or weeks.
Lots of people I know who worked from home last lockdown, now back in the office, most of my neighbours cars are gone during the day, back in the afternoon, like the old days.
Lots of cars on the roads, maybe not as many as normal but busy
Internet warehouses selling online full of staff picking orders, supermarkets all full of staff

But I am still not allowed to work, totally excluded from help.

383995 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to liztr835, 19, #586 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. While some industries flourish, others are thrown to the wolves. Sorry to read this liztr. Every time someone bangs on about the lockdowns being a good thing, I ask if they are still being paid, it usually ends the conversation.

383999 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to liztr835, 3, #587 of 2049 🔗

What is it you do? How are you managing? I really feel for you.

384393 ▶▶▶ liztr835, replying to this is my username, 1, #588 of 2049 🔗

I am in a job that involves some close contact, dont want to give out all details, as i am a bit paranoid someone will recognise my writing style/name etc, a competitor was ruined/trolled on facebook for his wanting to re-open and I dont need that worry.

384085 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to liztr835, 4, #589 of 2049 🔗

Indeed it is the trades who are fully occupied and making plenty of money. These blue collar workers would probably be amongst the first to be physically protesting if they were prevented from working – as it is the only sacrifice they are making at the moment is not going to the pub. I suspect government know this and that’s why they have been allowed to carry on working.

383988 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #590 of 2049 🔗

What is the average age of the 100,000 people deemed to have died because of Covid?

Is it something above 80?

Re: “ Times Front Page Misrepresents Covid Victim Age Distribution”

Radio 4’s Today programme yesterday did much the same. I’m afraid I turned off when I heard no mention of anyone dying in their eighties. This wasn’t balanced reporting I thought.

Were the Times and the Today programme working from the same briefing paper? supplied by some government agency perhaps? Or was this “investigative journalism” at its least impressive?

The over eighties were certainly counted to arrive at the 100,000 figure – but completely left out when the aim seems to have been not to report but to heighten concern and worry.

I don’t know if the “Today” programme mentioned anyone in their eighties. At most, from what can be seen of their front page The Times they could only have mentioned one.

Certainly heightening concern and worry may cause less people to succumb to Covid, but it also the causes much destruction and loss.

384025 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #591 of 2049 🔗

Average age of coronavirus related deaths is 82.4
Life expectancy is 81.

384054 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #592 of 2049 🔗

Hope I catch covid before I get old.

384087 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #593 of 2049 🔗

Well, you won’t know it unless you get tested.

384753 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Hayes, #594 of 2049 🔗

Yes, I thought it was 82. There must be some extremely old people classified as dying due to Covid for that average to be arrived at.

384069 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #595 of 2049 🔗

Drafted up this graph from the video mentioned yesterday
ICU is dominated by the late Middle aged because the triage doctors think that the elderly will die anyway
Note that the 80 plus are invisible in most media reports of fatalities

384084 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #596 of 2049 🔗

Didn’t i hear something about elderly people not being admitted because they’ll die anyways?

384175 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #597 of 2049 🔗

Yes – I heard that the very elderly tend to be admitted only for palliative / end of life care – the triage at the hospital makes a judgement on the probability of a patient surviving and deals with them accordingly

have a read about the APACHE system – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APACHE_II

384118 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #598 of 2049 🔗

Excellent graph.

384131 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #599 of 2049 🔗

Yes, a very interesting graph. Thanks for putting n the effort.

383994 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #600 of 2049 🔗

Video: Piers Morgan calls out TOWIE star for saying she won’t take vaccine | Daily Mail Online

As if he couldn’t get anymore unlikeable. Criticises the Towie girl for stating her opinions publicly, yet misses the absolutely irony of him ramming his opinon home publicly.

384018 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 19, #601 of 2049 🔗

Piers Morgan demanded that Christmas be cancelled immediately prior to jetting off to Antigua for his Christmas holiday. He returns and immediately criticises the government for not closing down the borders earlier.

Morgan isn’t even a hypocrite. A hypocrite has values and knows they are violating their values. Morgan has no values. For him all that matters is whatever he perceives to be in his interests, regardless of what he may have said previously.

384026 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #602 of 2049 🔗

Yep – he should have gone into politics; he would have fitted in perfectly.

384050 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to iane, 3, #603 of 2049 🔗

Truly showbiz for ugly people.

384055 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #604 of 2049 🔗

Not a huge fan of reality TV stars but this Ms Goodger is pregnant so she has good reason not to take the vaccine – this is literally what current government advice says.

But besides the point – medical interventions should always, always be a matter of choice if the patient has capacity.

Do not rise to this odious man’s shouting on the telly. It is literally his job to trigger people and he lives in his own echo chamber online where people lick his bum and suck up to him. The wider public either do not care or actively dislike him, and he knows it.

384081 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Poppy, 3, #605 of 2049 🔗

“Do Not Resuscitate” comes to mind. We haven’t been able to live how we choose for thousands of years. Now we can’t even die how we choose.

384123 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #606 of 2049 🔗

All together now…piers Morgan…..is a……

384130 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #607 of 2049 🔗

He’s a total waste of oxygen. Literally makes my skin crawl.

384000 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 53, #608 of 2049 🔗

Genius! 😀

384021 ▶▶ iane, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #609 of 2049 🔗

Yep – Bozo has achieved his goal of screwing everything that moves in this country.

384011 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #610 of 2049 🔗

Go back 6-8 months. Commenters here were being derided for suggesting travel is to be a luxury only for the rich. If anyone cares to read above the line this is now ‘news’.

What is not above the line – visible to my skimming eye at least – is the fact that the devolved nations are pushing for UK internal divisions to be quarantined by two week stays in hotels. Think about that in the context of families, of border regions where life freely crosses from one zone to another. The facist scum are yet pushing to cause two week travel quarrantines across imaginary lines at the financial cost to the traveller.

See swinney for one pushing for this.

384057 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 10, #611 of 2049 🔗

It’s a worldwide revolution, but not the people against their governments, but governments, international organisations, and oligarchs against the people.

384074 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 6, #612 of 2049 🔗

I’ve been saying that travel will be a luxury for the rich for years. None of this has ever been about money. The world elites aren’t doing these things to line their pockets. We’re talking about people who could lose over half of their wealth, and still live in obscene luxury for the rest of their lives. They’re doing it for control, because that’s more important than money. Money is the concern of the plebs.

384016 porgycorgy, replying to porgycorgy, 7, #613 of 2049 🔗

I’VE RUSHED STRAIGHT TO THE COMMENTS SECTION TODAY TO SAY WHAT A FANTASTIC PIECE OF WRITING, SINEAD MURPHY!
BETTER THAN ANYTHING IN ANY COMMERCIAL PUBLICATION – you out-write them all. Thank you so much. Please get this published in mainstream (though we don’t want to lose you)

384095 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to porgycorgy, 1, #614 of 2049 🔗

It’s exceptionally good isn’t it!!!!

384207 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to porgycorgy, 1, #615 of 2049 🔗

What a rare pleasure to read intelligent comment by a functioning adult, isn’t it?

384027 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 14, #616 of 2049 🔗

Perhaps a qualified person on this site could verify the points of law raised here. (Son sent it to me without any attribution, but probably from Facebook.)

As there are likely to be many conversations with police this weekend, activists should be aware of a couple of important points:
Under the PACE ACT 1984 section 24, police can arrest you for refusing to give them a name and address. Contrary to what web common law gurus might claim, this does not mean you are entering into a contract with them. It means you will avoid arrest and a waste of your time, which could be better spent being active and raising awareness.
However, there is NO arrestable offence involved in the breaking of disproportionate and groundless covid guidelines and rules and mandations. They can issue a fine, that’s it. Tell them you will be fighting it in court and that’s that.
A German court has already ruled against one of these fines on constitutional grounds, how long before more and more take the government on IN COURT and not THE POLICE ON THE STREET, and this whole charade collapses, together with peoples’ fear of living normally because of the risk of fines?
I want the fight. I want them to fine me so i can go to court. And i don’t want to spend 6 or more hours in a police van and cell doing nothing useful for anybody.
Your choice. Make all your choices. But think about all of them xxx

384049 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #617 of 2049 🔗

May and Cameron hollowed out the police. If everyone did six hours or even better 24hrs the system would collapse. The resources are simply not there

384083 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 3, #618 of 2049 🔗

The ‘resources simply not there’???

… when we see harmless middle-aged and elderly citizens being arrested by half a dozen blackshirt thugs wandering round in gangs?

384109 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to RickH, 4, #619 of 2049 🔗

Giving your name and address makes it easier for them. They will never take anyone to court, they can’t afford to lose a case

384113 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 6, #620 of 2049 🔗

The fact that it takes so many underlines the point. There is only something like a hundred and twenty thousand. A large minority are senior ranks, many have desk duties (including policing offensive words on the Internet), there are all the normal duties and demands on the police’s time. Arresting officers’ time is no longer available for harassing anyone else for hours. Then there is limited cell space. The arrested have to be processed. They can demand access to legal advice. They can demand access to medical attention. They can just generally make a nuisance of themselves. It would not take many non-cooperative arrestees to cause the police serious problems.

384068 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #621 of 2049 🔗

As I understand it, giving your name and address is not “entering into a contract”, and neither is that significant in this context, and you can either take a fpn and contest it (in which case the present situation seems to be that it will not be pursued by the state), or if you want to be arrested in order to take up their time and resources (a viable tactic in some situations) you can refuse to give out your name and probably get arrested.

384173 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #622 of 2049 🔗

A police officer has to have a reasonable suspicion of crime. If not, then they will be acting ‘ultra vires’. They have to inform you of what that reasonable suspicion is, and only detain you, if they suspect that you actually have the virus. Also, no summons are being sent out for non-payment of these fines (because they’re ultra vires), so you won’t be getting you’re day in court. People who’ve been arrested, should be taking out civil proceedings against the arresting officers, and their constabulary!

384035 DevonBlueBoy, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 16, #623 of 2049 🔗

George Monbiot has form for spouting absolute rubbish in support of his opinions; opinions which are at total contrast with the available evidence. He is obviously unaware of the dictum that says ‘Better to keep quiet and let people think you are an idiot rather than open your mouth and prove the point’
But he writes for the Grauniad – QED

384042 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 6, #624 of 2049 🔗

Don’t even bother reading his bilge and giving him the clicks, it’s what he wants.

384062 ▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Poppy, 2, #625 of 2049 🔗

I’d rather leap in a barrel full of needles than read that rag!

384043 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 1, #626 of 2049 🔗

Hence the popular ‘typo’ Monibot

384060 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #627 of 2049 🔗

or Moonbat

384202 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Aslangeo, #628 of 2049 🔗

That’s what Christopher Booker used to call him- shame he’s not around to pass comment on the current shitshow.

384065 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #629 of 2049 🔗

Minibot?

384036 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 6, #630 of 2049 🔗

Listening to talkRADIO right now and there appear to be no adverts. Are their advertisers abandoning them for their not going along with the mainstream, I wonder.

384063 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to kh1485, 8, #631 of 2049 🔗

Quite possibly. That’s usually the tactics they use. First they cut off your advertisement. When you ask your followers for support, PayPal cuts you off, followed by other payment processors. They don’t want to do anything as obvious as coming straight for you and taking you down. No, or the idiotic masses would catch on to it. They need to just go one level removed from you. People never think beyond the obvious.

384151 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 3, #632 of 2049 🔗

On it’s own site, the ads are playing. This is probably YouTube, as it’s advertising YouTube isn’t being paid for.

384233 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to kh1485, 1, #633 of 2049 🔗

Gov propaganda was still playing while I driving this morning, but thankfully don’t appear when watching through You Tube.

384039 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #634 of 2049 🔗

So Mr Swayne MP is to be summoned to room 101 to be put straight by Sage. Presumably O’Brien will be in attendance

(When I googled ‘O’Brien’ the top result was the MP, second top result was ‘O’Brien 1984’)

384111 ▶▶ John P, replying to Cecil B, #635 of 2049 🔗

Is this true? Please provide a source for this assertion.

384136 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 1, #637 of 2049 🔗

hopefully he can be accompanied by some members of HART

384138 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 7, #638 of 2049 🔗

Desmond Swayne will not be silenced

384195 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Victoria, 1, #639 of 2049 🔗

Perhaps not; but I suspect he will either be persuaded to stand down at the next General Election, assuming there ever is one, or he will be deselected prior to said G.E. by his local Constituency Association.

384041 David101, replying to David101, 15, #640 of 2049 🔗

Closing borders based on a hypothetical scenario. I could have predicted long ago that these kinds of of “just in case” restrictions would be rolled out. You could hypothesize that literally anything could happen, picking a hypothetical event out of thin air and prepare for that. Peter Hitchen’s example of turtle helmets emphasizes this point.
This is also bringing into clear relief the previously undiscussed “elephant in the room” concerning vaccines: that they must keep apace with the rapid evolution of viruses, which has probably been further sped up by our imposition of lockdowns resulting in mutant strains genetically fortified against our restrictions (Natural Selection 101).
When is anyone in a position of influence going to awaken to this? That something like a SARS virus CANNOT be defeated and we must learn to live with it somehow, as it has already become endemic. Borders cannot be closed forever in a globally-integrated human community.
It has been argued by scholars that for the past 2 centuries our immune systems have become robust by increasing global travel, and exposure to exotics pathogens encountered by criss-crossing world travelers from all countries.
Closing borders is yet another problem-solving strategy that causes more problems than it solves.

384053 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to David101, 11, #641 of 2049 🔗

People seem to forget what happened when European colonizers met the Native American population. The Europeans passed some very nasty diseases to the Native Americans, decimating their population, even causing a cultural collapse in Central and South America. And yet, these dangerous diseases didn’t kill any of the Europeans. I wonder why…? They certainly didn’t have antibiotics back then. And they most definitely didn’t have vaccines. So one does have to wonder how they developed what is obviously immunity without any sort of vaccines. I mean, that is impossible, otherwise WHO’s definition is wrong, right? WHO wouldn’t lie to us.

384082 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #642 of 2049 🔗

If immunity did not arise naturally, vaccines would be impossible. A vaccine does not confer immunity, it merely catalyses the body’s immune system into creating defence mechanisms which confer immunity.

384099 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #643 of 2049 🔗

Someone should WHO that. You’d think they’d be aware of it, but doesn’t seem like it.

384160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #644 of 2049 🔗

They know.

384073 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to David101, 4, #645 of 2049 🔗

Interestingly, back in the beginning of January 2020 the government’s experts ruled out securing the borders precisely on the ground that it was not practical in a globalised interdependent world.

384121 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to David101, 2, #646 of 2049 🔗

The thing is, we aren’t really closing the borders. Viruses can still come in on traded goods , especially animals and animal products. Any closed box could be carrying the virus. within – viral spores (as opposed to ‘live’ virus from an infected person) can persist for a long time.

So what we have is something else – massive virtual signalling, an incompetent government not knowing what to do next, or some sort of ulterior motive.

384051 RickH, replying to RickH, #647 of 2049 🔗

The piece on ‘Young Girl Syndrome’ contains some insights, but also suffers from the usual faults of windy psycho-social theories that anyone who has read (or attempted to read) much social psychology/philosophy (particularly from French sources) will be familiar with.

Perhaps the most telling part of the piece is the photograph that heads it. If this was attached to a story of how lockdown had affected the mental balance of a particular individual, it would not be out of place.

384089 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #648 of 2049 🔗

Are you saying Sridhar looks like a nutter? (Obviously you’d use more pc language.)

384108 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, -2, #649 of 2049 🔗

He said what he said.

384116 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 1, #650 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. And I asked for clarification, because what he said was not particularly clear.

384112 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #651 of 2049 🔗

What interests me is not the down-voting (presumably for the terminology used), but rather whether it’s accompanied by clicking of the little red flag, and what the response is of the moderators in that case.

384146 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, -2, #652 of 2049 🔗

Not in this case. I was the one who downvoted your comment because of the language.

Don’t take it personally, I wasn’t trying to undermine you.

I have asked Toby before to remove the up/down vote option as I think it is pointless and counter productive.

With the voting system there is a tendency to post in order to get approval from your peers and some (I include myself in this) get upset when they are downvoted too much.

384185 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to John P, 2, #653 of 2049 🔗

whereas some of us dont care!! i think that is the best way to be … not take anything too seriously re comments and upticks and accept that some people will respond in different ways – as you will have seen yourself,

384225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, #654 of 2049 🔗

Np, JP.

As I wrote, downvotes don’t concern me. But the likely use of the red flag system does. I’m interested to watch the development of moderating here.

Re voting and red flags both, I’d much prefer if they were public, as they have been in some forums I’ve been involved with in the past, rather than anonymous (iirc the US Unz forum might have had a public system, although I might be misremembering). More accountability in their use that way.

384106 ▶▶ John P, replying to RickH, 2, #655 of 2049 🔗

Yes, I agree. You can, in my opinion, get a little too deep into what people are saying. Picking apart the minutiae of language, I think, might be counter productive.

Individuals carry all of their thoughts and opinions in their heads. What they choose to communicate directly to others might only be a part of that. Your knowledge of others and their motives is always going to be incomplete for this reason.

384110 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, 3, #656 of 2049 🔗

I think the most relevant point of the YGS is the fear of being ostracised which is very common in teenagers (and probably always has been since there were teenagers as opposed to young workers). The cancel culture and the internet / mobile phone culture has spread that fear to all age groups – not everyone in each age group, obviously.

Didn’t affect me in the usual way because I always was ‘different’ due to health issues. But that doesn’t mean I can’t remember what it was like being an ‘outsider’ and the relief when I did acquire a small group of friends who for various reasons were in a similar position.

384122 ▶▶ porgycorgy, replying to RickH, 6, #657 of 2049 🔗

The photo you mention was of Devi Sridhar, not of Sinéad Murphy. I think you are just suffering from lack of intellectual capacity and a bout of philistinism, with regard to your wider comments. There is nothing remotely pretentious or contrived about the article, the use of language is concise and clear, and it weaves its narrative very cleverly and sensitively around the original tweet.

384181 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to porgycorgy, 2, #658 of 2049 🔗

I, too, greatly enjoyed reading Sinead Murphy’s article, porgy: a self-absorbed, entitled child taken apart and put in her place by an adult. The only downside of the piece for me was that it served as an indirect reminder of how much contemporary media discourse consists of meretricious garbage.

384080 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 12, #659 of 2049 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PLcCZErrhlw

Tucker Carlson: Journalist is arrested by the FBI for electoral interference/voter suppression. He posted memes the FBI/Democrats didn’t like. He faces 10 years in jail.
( https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/pro-trump-meme-maker-ricky-vaughn-indicted-using-twitter-spread-election-disinformation-hillary-clinton-voters-face-10-years-prison/ )

Washington D.C. is still under martial law. They’re there to stop a non-existent insurrection.

Teachers unions are still refusing to go back into schools to teach/brainwash. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

This is to put another piece of the jigsaw into place. At least we’re not yet under threat of arrest for sedition for wrongthink

384098 ▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 8, #660 of 2049 🔗

They’ll keep pushing, in order to generate the backlashes that will allow them to justify more power.

And they’ll blame the victims.

The standard lefty playbook in the past 50 years or so that they’ve been the dominant force, just implemented at ever higher levels.

384115 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to LMS2, 3, #661 of 2049 🔗

Yeah… about the 6th of January… Does anyone know how many Trump supporters were there? Must have been drowned out by all the other news… How convenient, don’t you think, that no one knows how many people showed up there in person so they can’t compare the numbers to how many people Biden got to his rallies or his inauguration.

384091 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 80, #662 of 2049 🔗

Let’s be honest here. The Guardian journalists can virtue signal to their heart’s content; Piers Morgan can shout in outrage until he is blue in the face; and the MSM can scream hysterically about ‘100,000 deaths’ as loud and as long as they want.

The fact of the matter is that there are cars on the road and people on the streets. People getting out and about and trying their damndest to get on with their lives within the straitjacket that this joke of a government has imposed. I see no change in the volume of people or movement from before the ‘100,000 deaths’ announcement to after it. The rigged polls may not show it but people are bloody fed up of being treated like children and being given no end date for what was always intended to be an absolutely nucelar last-resort measure of very short duration.

This pandemic seems to be happening solely on the internet. That’s where the hysteria is. Log off, shut the laptop lid, go outside, and things are almost normal. I have no doubt that if more shops and venues were open, people would be visiting them normally. Talking to real people in real life, I hear the same thing: people have had enough and are desperate for normal life. No bodies piling up on the streets, no devastation on the scale that the hysterical media is portraying. It may be anathema to the virtue signallers who love that little dopamine rush they get from crying crocodile tears online over slightly higher excess deaths (some of which are likely attributable to lockdown anyway), but whisper it: no-one really gives a shit anymore.

Right now, this is what is getting me through these really rather depressing updates (I just skip to the comments now tbh). We may not win the online battles with virtue signallers, but we’ve won the real war which I always predicted that we would win:

people will get fed up of having a shit, restricted life in the end.

384129 ▶▶ John P, replying to Poppy, 32, #663 of 2049 🔗

I agree that people appear to be less cautious. I saw a lot of cars on the streets when I went to visit my parents (who live four miles away from me) yesterday for tea.

BUT the pandemic is not “happening solely on the internet”. My mother – susceptible to the fear porn, but not a zealot – was complaining that she wasn’t knowledgeable enough to get on the internet when I (again) tried to persuade her not to watch the BBC fear porn and instead get her news from this site. Well, it’s her choice.

My father doesn’t even know how to turn the laptop on.

My parents (78) have also been buying newspapers again. Well, it’s their choice, but the screaming headlines only serve to provide fuel for the flames of the anxieties of people like my mother who are vulnerable to the fear porn.

In my opinion, the hysteria is amplified in the mainstream media – tv and newspapers – for the most part.

384143 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to John P, 29, #664 of 2049 🔗

exactly..
You can split the population in three.

  • the oldies who are not on social media and so get all their news from BBC and MSM and believe everything
  • the younguns who do very little with MSM but are welded to their phones and follow “influencers” etc
  • Those in between who do a bit of both and so get their message from many places – and can be critical about it. Thats basically us .
384165 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 11, #665 of 2049 🔗

“Those in between who do a bit of both and so get their message from many places – and can be critical about it. Thats basically us .”

Sadly many in this category I have spoken to are either in denial or know it’s bollocks but think it will somehow end because no govt could be that evil

384240 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to mj, 1, #666 of 2049 🔗

As a 60+ I have friends in there late 70’s who have access to the internet and don’t overwatch the BBC but are still drifting over towards the “dark side”. My younger brother in law is the same but only watches MSM and is “going with the flow”. If we or they visit however they are totally normal, can’t get my head around it. Difficult to pigeon hole people by age, seems to be more influenced by life experience.

384166 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to John P, 6, #667 of 2049 🔗

The pandemic is happening on screens,

384167 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to John P, 9, #668 of 2049 🔗

You are right, I should have clarified my point: ‘the internet’ refers to the MSM in general – online, TV, print media.

I am more speaking from my own experience because as a young ‘un, I don’t read print news and have grown up using the internet! But all media sources are culpable, as you say.

384237 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to John P, 6, #669 of 2049 🔗

My wife and myself are 72 and we are ICI people: INTEREST/CURIOSITY/IMAGINATION.
I always think that if you follow ICI, you won’t get fooled and lied to by the so called experts.
Like the American expression: IF IT LOOKS, WALKS AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK THEN THE ODDS ARE THAT IT IS A DUCK.

384536 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to John P, 6, #670 of 2049 🔗

Here in Brooklyn, NY, there are no real heavy handed restrictions. “Things are open” is what they say. It’s definitely very busy in the streets. And cops don’t bother you. We seemed to have reached this kind of normal where people want to A) hold on to their with in media and government while also B) doing things. The result? A zombie world of hypocrites! Everyone masked, bug-eyed, rushing, suspicious, honking. When did I last see people idling in the street, chatting? Children playing? Children going to school. People living? Nothing. It’s all this rushed, dank, hateful situation. The mask compliance in the streets is 99%. Very young ones wear masks. It’s awful.

I guess what I’m saying is that when the public figures out a way to squeeze out some additional hypocrisy from this mess without reckoning with the terrible injustices, the results are not good either. What use is there for things to be open when it’s all performative covid theatre and self-censorship and all that?

384544 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, #671 of 2049 🔗

Meant to reply directly to Poppy.

384145 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Poppy, 17, #672 of 2049 🔗

Agreed. This ends when people just ignore it. As I said to my better half yesterday, what is the point in observing the rules, if we are going to be locked down for most of the year anyway? There is no carrot. It is all stick. Observing the rules won’t get us out of lockdown any quicker. So what’s the point? I really do think something will snap when we move into spring. Our time is coming!

384164 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Poppy, 29, #673 of 2049 🔗

I think we’ll win through in the end but it is more than the internet. Yesterday the 40 year old daughter was found crying in the park. The friend who saw her sobbing her heart out, on hearing she didn’t want to go home, suggested she rang us and she did. She couldn’t get the balloon that the seven year old wanted for her birthday. That was all that it was to reduce a grown woman to a wreck. All she could think was that there was no birthday party, no friends, not even a trip to McDonalds and now she couldn’t even provide the one thing she’d asked for.
Needless to say the don’t travel bit was ignored. The balloon was sourced and the birthday party won’t be fellow seven year olds but there will be somebody to eat cake with.
There must be thousands crying in the park but MSM doesn’t hear them

384321 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to EllGee, 7, #674 of 2049 🔗

This is tragic. So many ‘small windows’ that will never happen. School trips, parties, 18ths and 21sts, weddings, Christenings, births (now ruined), University – the list is endless. My husband and I are old and feel one accident away from being culled. I am refused a private hip replacement without a PCR test. Life is just endless fear and worry. Shame on the pharma ghouls who have subverted a Govt who supposedly ‘work for us’. They are pharma puppets destroying our lives and dreams.

384222 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Poppy, 6, #675 of 2049 🔗

WELL SAID, POPPY.

384289 ▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Poppy, 5, #676 of 2049 🔗

Agreed on all points but the problem is that the two most important things in life – to me anyway! – having my kids educated and going out for a decent meal with friends have both been banned by our totalitarian government.

I have the will to do both but cannot force them to happen.

384534 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Poppy, 4, #677 of 2049 🔗

Someone suggested on this forum, yesterday, that this is one of the reasons that schools are closed. Pupils attending schools, parents doing school runs, etc. gives a sense of normality. I tend to agree – schools have not been a hotbed of virus transmission (any more than usual).

384100 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 18, #678 of 2049 🔗

Shares in Apple, Netflix, Tesla have jumped in some cases 700%. There are people who know that the longer this goes on the more money they make.

384104 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 14, #679 of 2049 🔗

The more money they make the more power they will have. Bill Gates is destroying the world because we paid him for his computer software, and he made money from us, and then extra from our data. We need to stop interacting with these companies if we are to reduce their power.

384105 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 6, #680 of 2049 🔗

“I’m excited about the team that Biden has picked” to tackle the health crisis”, Gates said. Was there a health crisis before Covid? Maybe if the truth came out about where it came from it would help.

384125 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to DanClarke, 6, #681 of 2049 🔗

Tesla are currently valued higher than the entire global car industry, which is why Elon Musk has been the richest man in the world a few times recently. This should send warning bells about the stability of stock markets.

384137 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tangelo, 8, #682 of 2049 🔗

Elon Musk is a lockdown sceptic.

384158 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John P, 2, #683 of 2049 🔗

He’s an interesting character, I don’t suppose he gives much thought to his own shares, he on a different wavelength

384300 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, #684 of 2049 🔗

Or just the start of another bubble!

384366 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 1, #685 of 2049 🔗

GameStop.

Autistic, video-game loving Americans and their stimmy checks have Wall Street pros bleeding from every orifice on their GameStop shorts.

Wall Street is already out $6 or 7 billion and at least one hedge fund has collapsed.

Score one for the little guys!

384114 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 33, #686 of 2049 🔗

Was unlucky enough to catch a few seconds of mainstream TV this morning at my mum’s house. That utter tosser Jeremy Vine was in front of a massive screen with the number of people who had been vaccinated on it. Fanfares and trumpeting about how great it was. Was like something out of a dystopian sci fi film like The Hunger Games. I actually felt physically sick and had to rush from the room. When I think of the people who have most probably died from this and the fact that they are pumping an experimental, potentially dangerous drug into millions, and at the same time wetting themselves with glee at this fact – it makes my blood boil. MSM is evil.

384132 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Old Trout, #687 of 2049 🔗

Maybe it has some horse in it .

384177 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Old Trout, 8, #688 of 2049 🔗

It beggars belief that so many people have allowed themselves to be fooled by it. My dad is in total belief that the threat is as bad as the MSM tell him. When he isn’t glued to BBC news, he’s scrolling through online MSM articles – just to give a bit of ‘balance’. I’m not able to spend long in his company (even if the dodgy law permitted me to do so) without a huge argument erupting.

It should be said he’s not the only one in my family/friend circle who is betrothed to the MSM lies. In fact, I am the only one who categorically isn’t.

384119 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 31, #689 of 2049 🔗

MG on TR just raised a point that I have thought about since this stupidity started: if the virus is that contagious how come shop workers haven’t been sick in their thousands?
My younger son works in Wilco’s in Halesowen in the West Midlands serving thousands of customers no doubt many of them “asymptomatic” (favourite “buzz” word of the “experts”) and not he or any of his colleagues has been affected.
My son had a common or garden cold a while back but being as he didn’t have any of the symptoms (dry cough and/or lack of taste and smell, he didn’t run screaming to the nearest “testing centre”.
Why don’t the sheep and collaborators understand that and stop believing the emotional blackmail and falsified figures being peddled by the MSM?

384133 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #690 of 2049 🔗

i have had these conversations myself with my local supermarket workers and had the same feedback. Aldi people kept saying they knew nobody there that had it. When i was still visiting Asda last year i recall one lady saying she had had it early on
But you are correct that the shopworkers the delivery people, the tradespeople you come across are all working on and are not being affected

384161 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to mj, 5, #691 of 2049 🔗

Having had similar discussions with shop workers the only answers related to positive covid cases has been from people who ‘think’ they’ve had it. This was middle of last year before testing started being ramped up. They simply thought they’d had it or knew someone who thought they had it. Struck me as an easy way of getting two weeks off on paid sick leave followed by month of ‘war stories’ of how they survived the deadly virus.

384194 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Mike, 1, #692 of 2049 🔗

Yes; reminded me of the old saying that people used to say to anybody who said “well, I thought” which was: “You know what “thought” did ,don’t you?, he thought that he had sh×t himself but he hadn’t but then he discovered that he had”
No, didn’t understand it then anymore than I do now, but you get the “drift”.

384201 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #693 of 2049 🔗

my mum used to say ” you know what thought did, followed the muck cart and thought it was a wedding”

384212 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to wayno, 1, #694 of 2049 🔗

Regional differences, eh?

384304 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip, #695 of 2049 🔗

Here it’s “he thought he’d farted, but he’d shit himself”. Vive La Différence.

384171 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 4, #696 of 2049 🔗

Thanks for your support, mj.
IF ONLY WE COULD GET THE SHEEP AND COLLABORATORS TO AT LEAST EXAMINE THE EVIDENCE.

384208 ▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to mj, 2, #697 of 2049 🔗

Damn clever this virus, doesn’t affect working class people…….:-)

384169 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #698 of 2049 🔗

I tried to argue that very point with my mother (full on lockdown supporter) and her response was that shop workers are wearing masks. Ignored the fact that most shop workers in Ireland were not wearing masks.

384200 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #699 of 2049 🔗

In our local M/S food hall none of the checkout staff wear masks.

384263 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #700 of 2049 🔗

You could extend that to the people on this website. Generally we don’t wear masks, don’t social distance, see friends and family (if they are willing), go outside when we like, etc. We should be the worst affected community of the lot particularly as the average age seems to be on the high side. Us and our families should be dropping like flies…

384271 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #701 of 2049 🔗

Sorry – this constant reference to the facts is cruel and traitorous.

384126 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #702 of 2049 🔗

Good morning, all. 🙂

384226 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 3, #703 of 2049 🔗

If only!

384305 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ceriain, 2, #704 of 2049 🔗

Well, someday she is bound to do something good!

384139 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #705 of 2049 🔗

Got a variant? – No problem – Here come the boosters already….. 3 shots Sir? Or shall we make that 6?

Pfizer, Moderna both trying for 3rd dose booster shots to combat virus variants Pfizer CEO echoes Netanyahu, UK authorities in saying strains of coronavirus likely to remain around indefinitely
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-moderna-both-testing-3rd-dose-booster-shots-to-combat-virus-variants/

384142 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 4, #706 of 2049 🔗

Infinity.

The correct number of shots is infinity.

384150 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to awildgoose, 4, #707 of 2049 🔗

and beyond

384157 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #708 of 2049 🔗

Yes, I shall be buzzing off myself later on. (Fans of Toy Story may understand this comment).

384176 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to awildgoose, 6, #709 of 2049 🔗

Whilst you are laying on your bed ‘working from home’ you should set up a permanent drip of pfizer juice directly into your veins.

384144 Ewan Duffy, #710 of 2049 🔗
384147 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #711 of 2049 🔗

About “Young Girl-ism”, Camille Paglia has been warning for years that androgyny is a sign of cultural collapse, and it has happened before in history. Here’s a video of her explaining this: https://youtu.be/I8BRdwgPChQ

384475 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #712 of 2049 🔗

Brilliant, thanks for this. I really am quite fascinated by the philosophy of this phenomenon.

384154 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 19, #713 of 2049 🔗

I see a lot of comments on the forum about the number of vaccine related deaths recently. The problem with chasing these is that not only will they be suppressed by the media, but also that the vast majority of then will not occur for a long time. Listen to what Mike Yeadon said about this months ago (and while you are reading it remember that he was the scientific director of Pfizer):

Because the vaccine is not tested for its real-life preventative effect when humans are re-introduced to the wild virus, any claims of effectiveness are FRAUD. There’s no evidence that the vaccine actually prevents infection. In fact, the opposite evidence is true. All animal studies for coronavirus vaccines show an influx of non-neutralizing antibodies that causes an exaggerated immune response. When the animal is exposed to the wild virus later, their immune system overreacts, destroying itself. This overactive immune response caused the death of all the animals exploited in the study. These animal studies were bypassed for the COVID-19 vaccine trials because the scientists were well aware of animal fatalities from previous coronavirus experiments.

This antibody-dependent amplification occurs after vaccination, but the damage is concealed until weeks or months later, when the animal or person is exposed to the wild virus in real-time. This deadly immune reaction is caused by the vaccine, but will ultimately be blamed on the subsequent wild virus infection. This is the perfect alibi for criminal vaccine makers like Pfizer.

Search ‘antibody-dependent enhancement’ if you want to read more.

384162 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Old Bill, 3, #714 of 2049 🔗

This would explain why all of these care home deaths are testing positive for coronavirus post-vaccine.

384168 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to John Galt, 3, #715 of 2049 🔗

Seems a reasonable conclusion to me.

384179 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Old Bill, 1, #716 of 2049 🔗

I was trying to work out why they were all testing positive post-vaccine. I thought it would either be that their immune systems are shot, or the vaccine influences the PCR test in some way. Seems it’s more sinister than that.

Thanks for posting that, it ties up a lot of loose ends.

384182 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to John Galt, 3, #717 of 2049 🔗

They say you do test positive after having the so called vaccine.

384223 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, #718 of 2049 🔗

Who is they, alw? Grateful for any links you have.

384174 ▶▶ John P, replying to Old Bill, 3, #719 of 2049 🔗

“This is the perfect alibi for criminal vaccine makers like Pfizer.”

I know that Dr Yeadon has been cautious about the vaccines but this sentence doesn’t sound like him. I don’t think he would have gone as far as to describe Pfizer as “criminal vaccine makers”.

I’m not saying you are wrong, but I’d like to see proof that he said this.

Please provide a link if you want me to read more.

384191 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to John P, #720 of 2049 🔗

What Old Bill quoted isn’t a verbatim quote from Dr Yeadon, it’s a piece written based on the information Dr Yeadon has stated.

The article is here:

https://edcdeveloper.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/pfizers-vaccine-studies-are-based-on-fraud-and-put-lives-in-danger-warns-former-pfizer-vice-president/

The original story regarding what Dr Yeadon stated is here:

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/ex-pfizer-exec-demands-eu-halt-covid-19-vaccine-studies-over-indefinite-infertility-and

384198 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to John P, 2, #721 of 2049 🔗

I agree John, that particular sentence might not have come from Yeadon it does seem a bit extreme, but his overall stance on the subject is well documented, you can pick and choose where you read it, I copied it from here:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-10-pfizers-vaccine-studies-based-on-fraud.html

384219 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Old Bill, 1, #722 of 2049 🔗

Thanks, oh yes, I know Yeadon’s views and I agree with them.

I think from the link that you kindly provided that these are the words of the journalist writing the article and not Yeadon.

384228 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Old Bill, 3, #723 of 2049 🔗

You can see how an evil scientist would explain it to a politician. That ” immune system overreacts ” would become ” it makes your immune system stronger”. Which it does, in a warped way.
Mwahahahaha.

384268 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Old Bill, -5, #724 of 2049 🔗

Do you have a link to this because, like others, I’m not convinced this was written by Mike Yeadon. Yeadon has been generally supportive of the vaccine rollout.

384299 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mayo, #725 of 2049 🔗

He hasn’t really. You can hear his views in this interview. He’d offer it to the vulnerable group, but sees no benefit in giving it to those who are not. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that his views have changed.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7cJSUIHyO7Ad/

384172 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 29, #726 of 2049 🔗

I came away from visiting a friend last night and couldn’t get to sleep due to questions going around in my head. She is totally anti lockdown, has no problem seeing who ever she wants and has many choice words to call the zealots out there. However, unlike me she isn’t angry and says she is just getting on with her life and not thinking about the crap most of the time. Why are some people able to shut this out of their mind?, why are most people not apoplectic with rage as I am?,how can I turn my stress levels down before something nasty happens to me?. Another strange thing is how I have other friends who were always more uptight and easy to anger than me, generally I have always been the most laid back and easy going type of person. There seems to have been a complete reversal, me foaming at the mouth and them shrugging and saying, “nothing we can do about it”. Oh well, that’s my rant over, I now have to try and find some motivation to do anything other than scroll through this site.

384180 ▶▶ John P, replying to Hellonearth, #727 of 2049 🔗

“how can I turn my stress levels down”

Zen

(… there are other ways)

384189 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #728 of 2049 🔗

If you are feeling the stress physically – for example not being able to sleep, feeling tense (stress could indicate raised cortisol levels), try taking Vitamin B3 (the non-flushing type). It antidotes adrenaline, and really helps.

384196 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hellonearth, 11, #729 of 2049 🔗

Exercise is good, especially outdoors.

384206 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 2, #730 of 2049 🔗

Yes, I strongly agree.

384210 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #731 of 2049 🔗

I have been leafleting, firstly you get exercise, secondly I feel I am doing something.
I ordered some cards form Back to Normal, they ask for a donation to cover the cost.
http://www.backtonormal.org

384224 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #732 of 2049 🔗

If you want to stop your rage, change your thinking. Substitute the demands in your thinking with preferences.

384420 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #733 of 2049 🔗

When I get wound up about it all and start sinking into despair I try to remember the mantra “you can’t control the situation / environment (immediately) but you can control your response to it”.

384245 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #734 of 2049 🔗

Why are some people able to shut this out of their mind?”

Maybe one factor is how much it affects what you do – in terms of your particular circle of activity and acquaintances?

384323 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Hellonearth, 6, #735 of 2049 🔗

This probably won’t put me in a good light but I’ve always considered most people to be idiots. The average person is what you see on Family Fortunes. This doesn’t mean I don’t like people, it’s just hard to have a meaningful conversation with some.

Anyway, when I see people acting like idiots I just carry on with my life my way because I don’t really expect them to be acting any differently.

I know I’m a bad person.

384568 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Hellonearth, 4, #736 of 2049 🔗

Hubby and I (both retired) are both sceptics. He is calm and just gets on with things, I am seething all the time.
There’s a simple reason for this though.
His lifestyle has not been dramatically affected. Sure, he can’t go abroad as he would like to, but apart from that, his daily life is not much changed. He visits his allotment most days and works on his passionate interest (rocks and fossils) the rest of the time. He’s in constant communication with other rock lovers too.
My lifestyle has been totally destroyed. Before, I used to belong to a number of U3A groups, as much for the social side as for the subject matter, and went to exercise classes twice a week. And seeing my family. All totally stopped dead last March.
Like you I am totally lacking in motivation and spend hours each day scrolling through this site. I dont think it helps, as it is like an early warning system for the next bit of sh*t that is coming, so I end up worrying about it. It’s doing my head in quite seriously.

385450 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Felice, #737 of 2049 🔗

I know Felice, it is all soul destroying. My son has come to stay for a few days and this has perked me up for now. Of course he shouldn’t be here, but I worry about his mental health as a young single man who is furloughed yet again. There is no way in the world I would tell him he couldn’t come because Bojo says that makes him a granny killer!. Hang on in there, sending best wishes and strength through all the madness.

385453 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, #738 of 2049 🔗

Thank you for all your replies, some good advice given as usual.

384187 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 14, #739 of 2049 🔗

Friend in USA sent me this really hopeful article. Given the truism that when America sneezes, Britain catches a cold, it should raise the spirits of all us sceptics:

I am not an expert in many things. It seems I can barely build a duck house. But I do, after a lifetime in journalism, foreign policy analysis, and government “service”, understand the zeitgeist. And it is shifting. There will be a big lag and there will be dummies calling for two masks, but the zeitgeist on the corona-hysteria is shifting. Fast.
We see it in all the blue states rushing to re-open. Dummies like Texas governor Abbott (R) are not attuned to the shift so ironically he will end up looking more restrictive than soon-to-be-recalled-for-his-idiotic-handling-of-coronavirus California governor Newsom. Who is evil but not dumb.
This will not be neat or tidy. But the action has shifted. And just like that first hammer that broke a chink out of the Berlin wall was barely perceptible, it unleashed an action that had been building, sub rosa. It unleashed a revolution.
Currently the powers-that-be understand that they are pushing their luck. They understand that the lockdowns have produced anger that could soon explode. And, sorry for being cynical, just like the communist leaders in the former East, they are looking for their parachutes. 1989 was not a democratic revolution to overthrow communism. On the contrary. It was the communist nomenklatura doing its best to surf the wave of the zeitgeist to its advantage.
It was largely successful in preserving the position and privilege of the nomenklatura, but the previous regime was left looking like Swiss cheese and it opened the door for competing philosophies and ideologies (and even anti-ideologies) to enter the market. So while not exactly (by a long shot) the vanquishment of the bad guys, it was a shift in the system. It was the system breaking down while desperately trying to sustain itself.
That is what we are seeing right now. In the past week. There is not necessarily anything to cheer for those of us who believe in actual justice (which some of us believe is also the Lord’s only), but the shift offers relief and possibility. That is what we focused on in today’s Liberty Report. Mark this day and mark this time. Let’s see if I am right or off the mark. But I’d bet money I am reading this correctly. Let’s see.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/daniel-mcadams/covid-19-and-the-shifting-zeitgeist/

384211 ▶▶ alw, replying to Melangell, 11, #740 of 2049 🔗

Interesting. Many non-essential businesses are opening behind closed doors here in the UK. I have just had the pleasure of being served by one. It’s more things like this that will bring and end to lockdown.

384215 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Melangell, 11, #741 of 2049 🔗

I’ve just had a farm shop delivery. My first order. Bloke arrives in a van, unmasked , carries the box into the house, is anxious to get to Spain. A chat and exchange just as it would have been in 2019. He even complained about traffic!

384220 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Melangell, 11, #742 of 2049 🔗

I think you are right.

When these things turn it is usually suddenly. If one looks at history, you tend to get an intensification towards the end. Just before the turning point.

Hopefully, we are seeing that now.

384229 ▶▶ dan72, replying to Melangell, 9, #743 of 2049 🔗

I work (well, furloughed) for an airline. Up until the last couple of weeks it has been constant doom and gloom. Now, despite quarantine hotels and other nonsense, there appears to be some optimism in the air – there is even talk of aircraft deliveries. I’ll believe it when I see it, but if the airline industry is starting to feel optimistic, surely the end has to be coming?

384264 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Melangell, 4, #744 of 2049 🔗

McAdams is pretty perceptive, so let’s hope he’s called this one right.

384190 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 31, #745 of 2049 🔗

The Sinéad Murphy piece was very good, thanks LS for picking this up. I wouldn’t have been aware of the ‘Young Girl Syndrome’ text otherwise, and I’m grateful for Murphy’s interpretation – French philosophy is usually impenetrable word salad to me.

I think the description fits very well, many people do seem infantalised and simplistic in their thought and proclivities, driven by emotion over reason and expecting the state to look after them as a parent would, a function that no government should ever be expected or trusted to perform.

It’s no surprise that predatory corporations and their politicial lackeys are happy to oblige our superannuated toddlers, from shallow advertising and media – surely a reflection of how they wish to mold the citizenry, to the popularity of disempowering lefty political ideologies. We’ve been begging for enslavement, and now we have it. Not a single shot fired in defence of our freedoms. Perhaps we should all just listen to Mummy Patel when she tells us we’re not allowed to leave the country. She knows best.

It’s no surprise that sceptics feel a high degree of frustration, presenting sound data backed arguments against the ruinous idiocy of national house arrest, only to be faced with a sea of name calling shit flinging low information collectivist kidults who haven’t the first idea of why personal sovereignty is sacrosanct.

I suspect for many sceptics the experience has changed their view of the members of their society forever. It has for me.

384205 ▶▶ BSK2, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #746 of 2049 🔗

It’s an excellent piece and I second the thanks to LS and to Sinead for writing it. I also hadn’t previously heard of the concept of the Young-Girl although I’ve been aware of the symptoms of, er, her manifestation in society for some time. This, however, quantifies the phenomenon and its dangers brilliantly.

I’m not sure how we kill her though. Or if we can.

384259 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BSK2, 2, #747 of 2049 🔗

You have to treat them like this lady having the panic attack in the Airplane movie. Starts around 19s in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkpIDBtC2c

384261 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to BSK2, 5, #748 of 2049 🔗

I don’t think we can, the disease is too widespread.

The only sane response that I can see is to accept it, focus what I can effect change on in my own sphere of influence, and let it play out as it will. The world is rarely ordered as I would wish, if I keep expecting it to be so I will always be angry and frustrated. To make this out to be anything larger than it is; an important lesson and a great dissappointment, is to give the Young Girl power over my life that she does not deserve.

I’ve read these sort lessons in philosophy, I think this is my wake-up call to put them into practice and concern myself with my own inner tranquility. I’ll know when I’ve succeeded when my frustration and anger gives way to uncontrollable laughter.

384294 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #749 of 2049 🔗

Have to agree with this. I’m not going to effect any great change as I would like to see. I plan to try to fit my ideal life around this shitshow as best I can. I am going to sit back though and laugh at these idiots once it dawns on them they’re not getting their freedom back.

384521 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GrannySlayer, #750 of 2049 🔗

I’ll know when I’ve succeeded when my frustration and anger gives way to uncontrollable laughter.

Succeeded, or gone totally bonkers. Mwah ha ha ha !

384216 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #751 of 2049 🔗

Please, in laymans terms can someone please explain what is going on in Wall Street right now, something to do with a populist uprising on the stock market. Sounds good but is it ?

384236 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to nickbowes, 6, #752 of 2049 🔗

Wall street is a closed shop as regards the man in the street as are all the world’s markets,it is dominated and manipulated by trading syndicates who have huge amounts of firepower (Money) and inside knowledge, the man in the street trade’s and invests at a huge disadvantage..

384270 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #753 of 2049 🔗

Guys, this is the ‘popularist uprising’.

You’ll love this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ToOGrUQ7ME

384338 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #754 of 2049 🔗

That’s a really good account of the situation.

I notice that the Telegraph were saying yesterday it had spread to London too.

384478 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 1, #755 of 2049 🔗

Interesting. Not really an area I know very well, but is it actually a wholly good development? I mean I understand the schadenfreude at rich globalist scumbags getting a beating, and the entertainment at the riggers suddenly getting sulky at the game turning against them, but is it a good thing if it just means we’ll see more players in the game, some of them highly damaging woke types, no doubt?

The point made near the end is telling, I suppose:

It’s not like short selling is always bad … but what you see … with Gamestop is that they just kept doubling down … and aggressively destroying this company and driving it into the ground … they were so greedy and they pushed this thing down so far … that’s what they’re getting punished for .”

384492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, 1, #756 of 2049 🔗

The entire thing is fraud-ridden manipulated casino of the first order, propped up central banks who are all too happy to keep printing monopoly money and handing it to the big players. I don’t suppose it makes much difference at this stage.

384527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #757 of 2049 🔗

A fair point.

384274 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to nickbowes, 5, #758 of 2049 🔗

It is good.

To sum it up briefly, hedge fund billionaires were shorting shares in an illegal manner, yet because they’re so rich and powerful, it’s always been overlooked. This was noticed on the shares for Gamestop, as it was such an extreme example, and now normal, regular people are making large amounts of money while the billion dollar hedge fund that’s primarily involved is looking like it’s going to go out of business.

384287 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John Galt, 3, #759 of 2049 🔗

It’s hilarious 🙂 Have a look at the clip I linked from The Hill, they framed it perfectly.

384342 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to John Galt, 2, #760 of 2049 🔗

Is it illegal though? I thought the SEC et al were pretty hot on illegal transactions.

(N.B. All of my information is from ‘Billions’ 😉 )

384382 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, 1, #761 of 2049 🔗

It’s supposed to be, but this is actually the way markets work – using cartels. The cartels are usually institutional – see the fallout from Bloomberg chat and Libor fixing for an example. They always play the market like this.

Infact, they will get away with whatever. HFT frontrunning, spoofing,all cheating but they get away with it (because the HFT firms are on the board of the CBOE etc). It’s a big club and you ain’t in it., And they hate that the people that they’ve been stealing from for decades are exposing their racket. The biggest threat is that it has been revealed just how easy it is to manipulate prices.

384516 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, 1, #762 of 2049 🔗

Small players, yes, hot.

Hedge funds, banks, billionaires – tepid to lukewarm.

384303 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to nickbowes, 1, #763 of 2049 🔗

Timcast does a pretty good breakdown if you like his style
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=awDE9i9u6Xo

384463 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to nickbowes, 1, #764 of 2049 🔗

Tim Pool explains it in this piece :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz2xDpZoz3o

In brief, it seems millions of ordinary folk in the US are using their Covid handouts to buy shares in GameStop. This company had been “shorted” by hedge funds which means the funds are gambling on its share price going down. The mass buying is sending it up, which will bankrupt the hedge funds. A revenge of the plebs against the elites.

384217 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #765 of 2049 🔗

Can’t help but think the great reopening is poorly timed, I would have thought they’d have kept there powder dry for Spring /Easter let the pressure build,by this time the weather will be getting warmer expectations of immenent release will reach fever pitch,tempers and frustration will be hard to contain this would be the best time to exploit and manipulate this advantage.. timing is everything.

384239 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #766 of 2049 🔗

You have a point, BR, but small businesses may not survive until then to attempt to reopen. For some it is almost certainly now or never. Timing is important, but waiting for the perfect moment can be counter-productive. Plenty of people will be mollified by brighter weather and longer days as the year progresses. I welcome any action by those brave enough to make a stand at any point – fever pitch might be reached, or alternatively more people will have become defeated and apathetic. Could go either way.

384252 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #767 of 2049 🔗

You have a point there I do think though Fever pitch is more likely to prevail than defeated and apathetic..

384250 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #768 of 2049 🔗

I understand and agree for the most part. However I do think businesses need to strike while fully locked down to give a clear message. There’s a danger that they could find themselves making the point just as things start to be relaxed. The danger I see is that without a clear rebellion at the “wrong” time there will be no push back against this crazy lockdown again later in the year.
Also some businesses just won’t last.

384256 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to WasSteph, 4, #769 of 2049 🔗

Yes on reflection I would tend to agree with you, you make some good points tricky situation to be in..

384324 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #770 of 2049 🔗

We’ve reached the point of ‘if not now, when?’

We’ve all been anticipating the moment when the worm turns for 9 months now. It’s just around the corner… any day now… nope. Nothing but a rump of easily vilified refuseniks.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but at Easter, we’ll be saying, “no-one will stand for this come the summer”

384430 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to AidanR, 2, #771 of 2049 🔗

If it don’t kick of Easter/Summer it’s never going to, with the vaccine excuse running out of milage and the repeated mantra of “Light at the end of the tunnel”looking like a flat tire it’s more than obvious fight or die.. but as you highlight this expectation has been up and running for nine months, interesting few months ahead..

384396 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #772 of 2049 🔗

Sadly I agree, it has coincided with the ramping up of project fear, the “100,000” and very high daily death reports (whatever we think they are really made up of, the public will only register the number). I am desperately trying to find out if anyone is opening near me as I would be out supporting them, but I fear that I will be outnumbered by NPC protesters shouting “shame on you, people are dying”. Why can’t we be more European?

384441 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #773 of 2049 🔗

Fiona the British public is a former shadow of itself, it’s lost the will to think and act independently,it loves to follow the rules, be a good boy,do as your told.. The dumbing down of the public has been going on for decades most of them totally unaware they have been shafted.. Our European counterparts still have balls between there legs..

384218 alw, replying to alw, 21, #774 of 2049 🔗

Why do we need a roadmap to get out of the lockdown? Just another layer of bureaucracy dreamt up by useless civil servants. I wrongly thought that the Conservative party wanted to get rid of red tape and here they are creating more completely unnecessarily. Just end the lockdown now and people make the decisions that are right for them.

384235 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 4, #775 of 2049 🔗

Still waiting for the cost benefit analysis – decimated economy v lives saved

384313 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to alw, 1, #776 of 2049 🔗

It’s just corporate bullshit for “here’s a list of things we’re going to do, and the order we’re going to do them in”

384227 Nobody2021, 2, #777 of 2049 🔗

Hold on a minute. I was under the impression that Manaus was a disaster and used as an example of what would happen if the virus was allowed to spread unmitigated.

If the example was actually what would happen if hospitals became overwhelmed then it is a clear example of lockdowns not solving the problem and adds to my hypothesis that restrictions/lockdowns end up making the situation worse.

This study (see graph) shows that they locked down just like most other countries:

Nuno R. Faria
@nmrfaria

Our new comment is out now in @TheLancet

highlighting four non-mutually exclusive hypotheses to explain the resurgence of SARS-CoV-2 cases in Manaus, despite high seroprevalence

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext

384232 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #778 of 2049 🔗

The majority of our population don’t want this to end.

according to my elderly neighbour, the children can’t go back to school as they might infect the adults. Apparently her friend got the virus from her granddaughter that had no symptoms (‘we did not know she had it) and was very sick.

Told her there is no such a thing as asymptomatic transmission (ref Dr Michael Yeadon). ‘Sorry that is not true as she isolated herself fully and the granddaughter was the only one there’.

Poor child!!!

384254 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Victoria, -20, #779 of 2049 🔗

I’m not convinced that there is no such thing as “asymptomatic transmission”. It might be uncommon but it’s certainly possible if there is sufficient contact. I know of at least one case in which a father was almost certainly infected by one of his 2 children. The father was separated from the mother. The mother never mentioned it but she had been symptomatic. The kids later tested positive but had no symptoms.

384257 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 6, #780 of 2049 🔗

Does he not shop?

384302 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, -10, #781 of 2049 🔗

Received an online delivery earlier in the week. Other than that was working from home and only went out for a run or walk.

384354 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mayo, 4, #782 of 2049 🔗

Did he quarantine the online delivery for 48 hours? If not, there’s your vector. The bloody thing is endemic, there is no avoiding it.

384385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to redbirdpete, -4, #783 of 2049 🔗

The delivery was a week before any symptoms. The children visited about 3 days later. He became symptomatic bang on the 4-5 days.

I’d look for the obvious rather than the very, very unlikely.

We know the mother had it. The children had contact with the mother and they also tested positive – yet you suspect a shopping delivery.

384273 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mayo, 8, #784 of 2049 🔗

This theory is similar to the “wear a mask” theory, prima facie and to “common sense” it would appear to be a phenomenon. However, there is no clear and unequivocal evidence that asymptomatic transmission spreads the virus , or that masks are preventative, are true.

384311 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Alan P, -10, #785 of 2049 🔗

I never mentioned masks. The probability that the infection was transmitted by the children is very high.

384281 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 5, #786 of 2049 🔗

How do you know anybody was ‘infected’?

384298 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, -11, #787 of 2049 🔗

The father is a fit 40 year old. Until recently, he played football at a very high level. He runs regularly and competes in iron man.

He just spent a week in bed and was, after 9 days, he was still coughing so vigorously he was throwing up. I believe he is, just now, recovering his energy levels (15 day mark).

He also tested positive with a test which apparently gives loads of false positives – except during the summer.

Funny that – only 0.04% of ONS test were positive in June. What happened to all those False Positives?

384378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mayo, 8, #788 of 2049 🔗

Bizarrely, being super fit depresses the immune system. I always got every bug going when training for a marathon and some ultra runner friends catch every virus going. Better to be just moderately fit rather than fanatically so.

384390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Fiona Walker, -3, #789 of 2049 🔗

He’s not training particularly hard at the moment but that doesn’t really explain the source of the infection.

384690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, 1, #790 of 2049 🔗

what makes you think that it is possible to track every infection? these things probably just blow in through open windows or something, they’re probably capable of travelling miles. THEY – JUST – HAPPEN.

384431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Fiona Walker, #791 of 2049 🔗

https://www.mysportscience.com/post/2016/08/19/how-common-are-illnesses-amongst-athletes

“The most common illnesses are those affecting the respiratory tract with most studies indicating that about 40-60% of all acute illness episodes in athletes during competitions and tournaments affect the respiratory tract.”

385988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mayo, #792 of 2049 🔗

If your father is a fit 40 year old, how old are you?

I only ask as you seem extremely articulate to have such a young father. I could very well be mistaken but either you are a fantastical outlier and proof that our education system ain’t so bad after all, or your dad was a saucy fella and started his carnal knowledge course a hell of a lot sooner than most.

384283 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 11, #793 of 2049 🔗

What you personally are or aren’t convinced about is irrelevent to the facts or the argument.

384325 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -6, #794 of 2049 🔗

So you’re saying that I should rely on the ‘experts’ rather than my own eyes.

If 2 people are in close contact as a parent & child might be, the virus can spread more easily.

384333 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 7, #795 of 2049 🔗

No, what I’m saying is that you should not expect to be taken seriously if all you have is personal anecdotes.

384367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -4, #796 of 2049 🔗

Personal anecdotes can disprove a theory.

If the theory is that asymptomatic transmission cannot take place then it only takes a single case to prove the theory wrong.

If, however, the theory is that asymptomatic transmission is rare, then a single case does not prove the theory wrong.

This is where you might be confused.

384395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 3, #797 of 2049 🔗

You are making informal logic errors, namely argument from incredulity and argument from anecdote. These are both common logical fallacies, trying to pass off personal opinion as fact.

This is where you are confused.

384418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -3, #798 of 2049 🔗

There is no logic error. I know the science underpinning the incubation period as well as viral loads necessary to cause infection.

I know this particular case and the surrounding circumstances very well. Far better than any expert.

The only credible source of transmission is via the children,

You’re beginning to come across like one of those lockdown zealots who think we need to wear asks while out running.

384426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 2, #799 of 2049 🔗

Just because you don’t see the logic error, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. This is another argument from incredulity!

And look, an ad hominem too! Quite the collection we’re building! 🙂

Well, ok, you do you, just don’t expect to be taken seriously.

384444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -4, #800 of 2049 🔗

Where is the “logic error”?

Is it in thinking that, given no other humans were involved, then transmission from mother to children and then on to father was the most likely route.

Also, given that I know the circumstances better than most other people is it possible that I am in the best position to judge.

Asymptomatic carrier do have the virus. If they are in close contact with someone for extended periods it is possible for them to pass it on.

384457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 1, #801 of 2049 🔗

“Where is the “logic error”?”

I literally pointed them out to you by name.

And you just used an appeal to authority error in your reply too.

Your arguments are logically inconsistent, and that, my friend, is your problem to fix.

384490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -3, #802 of 2049 🔗

No there is no logic error.

an anecdote, if true, falsifies an accepted theory if that theory specifically excludes the anecdote.

“All swans are white” might have been a theory until someone observed a black swan.

Asymptomatic transmission does happen. It might be relatively rare but it happens just the same.

Probability of transmission is dependant on viral load but also on level of contact and the length of contact time.

384502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 2, #803 of 2049 🔗

An anecdote, if true, is called a fact . Until it is proven true, it is not a fact. Therefore, representing an anecdote on its own as truth is fallacious.

I’m terribly sorry, but I’ll have to end this conversation here. This is quite embarrassing, but I’ve just checked on my supply of fucks and it seems that I’ve completely run out. Cheerio!

384649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #804 of 2049 🔗

An anecdote, if true, is called a fact . Until it is proven true, it is not a fact.

Ok – from Carl Heneghan’s blog

https://www.cebm.net/study/the-role-of-asymptomatic-sars-cov-2-infections-systematic-review/

Bottom Line

Evidence from early in the pandemic suggests that most SARS-CoV-2 infections are not asymptomatic throughout the course of infection, and that transmission by presymptomatic accounts for around 40-60% of transmission and asymptomatic cases accounts for around 15% of transmission .

384307 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Mayo, 2, #805 of 2049 🔗

Perhaps the Chief Medical Advisor to the President of the USA (Anthony Fauci) could help in your research?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrAvjU2LBkg

384335 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to FenTyger, -5, #806 of 2049 🔗

Fauci is simply saying that asymptomatic transmission is not the DRIVER of outbreaks.

An asymptomatic child will not drive an outbreak but they can still transmit a virus if they are in close contact with someone – as a parent and child might be.

384434 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Mayo, 1, #807 of 2049 🔗

He also said “a rare asymptomatic person that might transmit” . I suppose you may know that one (in how many?) rare person.

384452 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to FenTyger, -1, #808 of 2049 🔗

The ‘rarity’ depends on the level of contact. In fact that’s the case for all transmissions.

The probability of transmission is related to the viral load but is also a function of the level of contact and the time in contact.

384312 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 7, #809 of 2049 🔗

The World Health Organisation said that asymptomatic transmission is “very rare” and added that there were no confirmed cases.

384357 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -11, #810 of 2049 🔗

I don’t give a flying f**k what the WHO say. I agree that asymptomatic transmission would not be commonplace for the very good reason that most people do not have close contact with strangers.

However, in families where parents & children spend long periods in close contact, (e.g.reading together) there is more chance that a significant viral load can be transmitted.

Nice cherry picking of the bits from WHO that you like, by the way.

384377 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mayo, 2, #811 of 2049 🔗

Viruses spread in the air – that’s the inactive form of the virus (of any virus) that only becomes active when it finds a host. Live virus can persist on surfaces for hours or days – which is why we had to quarantine the money in our church collection for 48 hours. (When the church was still allowed to open).
But as you point out, locking in people together who might be infected makes it much more likely that a dangerous virus load will be created – which is one of the many reasons why lockdowns may be causing more Covid deaths than the original distancing and hygiene regulations prior to lockdown 1. Not to mention, of course, the non-Covid deaths and all the rest of the consequences.

384458 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to redbirdpete, -7, #812 of 2049 🔗

Not sure your comment makes any difference to my argument.

The most likely source of transmission is still the children since they will have brought bags & clothes from a location in which there was a known infection.

384500 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mayo, #813 of 2049 🔗

Father infected by children. How old were the children?

384638 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to nottingham69, #814 of 2049 🔗

4 & 7 – something like that.

384349 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Victoria, 4, #815 of 2049 🔗

People seem to have entirely forgotten how viruses work. 2020 as year zero.

384412 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Victoria, #816 of 2049 🔗

If the granddaughter was visiting the lady was not isolating!

384242 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to isobar, 9, #818 of 2049 🔗

Not surprised to see the story originated from The Guardian.

384244 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 5, #819 of 2049 🔗

Note the top comments – moderated, of course!

384251 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to this is my username, 8, #820 of 2049 🔗

Top rated comment:

stevehessle , Hessle, 2 hours ago

I doubt that he is the first and he certainly won’t be the last. I reckon that there will be plenty of anti maskers who die, most likely running into the thousands.

Which of course apply to anyone, rule breaker or rule follower alike.

384265 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #821 of 2049 🔗

First they came for the Generals, now they are coming for the foot soldiers, someone somewhere is running scared

384309 ▶▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to isobar, 5, #822 of 2049 🔗

Certainly using that article to go directly after Sir Desmond Swayne.

384276 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #823 of 2049 🔗

The commenter needs to get with the program he supports. The narrative is that the mask protects others.

384414 ▶▶▶▶ WillieA, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #824 of 2049 🔗

Hang on a minute… I thought we were told that wearing a mask only protects others, not the wearer. In which case, I can’t see how failing to wear a mask had any impact on his risk of contracting the virus?!

384543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to WillieA, 1, #825 of 2049 🔗

Logic… These people do not do it.

384673 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #826 of 2049 🔗

it’s pure superstition, isn’t it: the gods of covid will smite you if you do not show obeisance to the rituals of the cult. conversely, the gods will smile on you if you do. fucking morons. can’t wait to watch them die of the destruction that their moronic primitive rituals are bringing to the socio-economic ecosystem on which their lives depend. they really do deserve what’s coming to them.

384466 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 2, #827 of 2049 🔗

it says he refused to wear a mask then mentions he had asthma-so not refusal but exempt

384501 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to isobar, 3, #828 of 2049 🔗

This seems to be a favourite bit of fear-porn. I saw it linked-to a few days ago. What I really like is how hard it seems for the zealots to suppress their triumph and glee when a ‘conspiracy theorist’ dies, apparently of the Great Plague. This is the gutter press at its rock-bottom. MW

385512 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to isobar, #829 of 2049 🔗

They call him a covid denier and the phrase conspiracy theorist is mentioned a number of times in the article. A blatant and thoroughly nasty piece of anti-LS propaganda which also takes great pleasure in denigrating a person after his death who can’t defend himself.

384243 alw, replying to alw, 1, #830 of 2049 🔗

High risk countries. What’s the point of having quarantine hotels when pretty useless doesn’t want us to travel?

  1. Angola
  2. Argentina
  3. Bolivia
  4. Botswana
  5. Brazil
  6. Cape Verde
  7. Chile
  8. Colombia
  9. Democratic Republic of Congo
  10. Ecuador
  11. Eswatini
  12. French Guiana
  13. Guyana
  14. Lesotho
  15. Malawi
  16. Mauritius
  17. Mozambique
  18. Namibia
  19. Panama
  20. Paraguay
  21. Peru
  22. Portugal (including Madeira and the Azores)
  23. Seychelles
  24. South Africa
  25. Suriname
  26. Tanzania,
  27. Uruguay
  28. Venezuela
  29. Zambia
  30. Zimbabwe
384248 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, 2, #831 of 2049 🔗

Because people from those countries work here, and Brits also work abroad and need to be able to get home. Brits cannot be excluded.

384249 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to alw, 6, #832 of 2049 🔗

Quarantine, does that include people from those countries that decide to come the more direct way via Calais -Dover ?

384253 ▶▶ leggy, replying to alw, 5, #833 of 2049 🔗

Curious that Tanzania is on there when they declared themselves covid free isn’t it.

384258 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to leggy, 9, #834 of 2049 🔗

Can’t have people going and experiencing normality.

384275 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #835 of 2049 🔗

Exactly, because that’s when people will really start to wonder what’s going on.

It’s as if someone from the Eastern bloc had been allowed to travel to the West for a couple of weeks.

I think he might have had a few questions too.

384285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to rockoman, 5, #836 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. Dodgy regimes don’t like their citizens realising that there might be a better way.

384336 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 5, #837 of 2049 🔗

Yeah, they might see scenes like this in Stonetown, Zanzibar last week…

384266 ▶▶ Will, replying to alw, 5, #838 of 2049 🔗

In other news Patel is off to the coast to shout at the sea.

384296 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to alw, 3, #839 of 2049 🔗

I’m deeply disappointed that France isn’t on this list.

It shows that our government still hasn’t got the hang of trolling, even though they’ve been practicing on us for the last 12 months.

384337 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to AidanR, 3, #840 of 2049 🔗

France is fairly powerful, and our elite is in awe of the French elite.

We are not powerful, and are held in contempt.

384372 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ovis, 1, #841 of 2049 🔗

our elite is in awe of the French elite.

That much is probably true.. they are a caste apart in France, to the extent that they have their whole own educational apparatus and cultural exemption from the rules that apply to the little people.

Out elites just act like the same thing is true here.

We are not powerful,

I disagree. Our economy is bigger than France’s and our newfound independence gives us a flexibility that will allow us to run rings around them. The current Astra Zeneca imbroglio demonstrates this very well.

and are held in contempt.

If the French have one thing right, it’s their haughty disregard for what any other bugger thinks of them.

384334 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to alw, 7, #842 of 2049 🔗

This is just for starters. You wait in a couple of weeks they will add more countries and in 2 months time it will be the whole world. It’s what they did with the ‘corridors’ and now they will do the same with the hotel imprisonment. Forget any holidays this/next year abroad is the message.
They will probably take at least 2-3 years to lift these ludicrous restrictions as they want to imprison everyone in their sector and never leave their house!
That’s my travel escape plans truly f*********d!

384347 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to penelope pitstop, 7, #843 of 2049 🔗

Oh yeah for sure. Most people I work with (at an airline, so you’d think they’d be alarmed) don’t seem unduly concerned about this list because for now it mainly consists of countries without too much traffic to and from the UK. When I tell them that this is likely to go the same way as the travel corridors it doesn’t seem to register.

Most people still seem to think that the government is acting in good faith and that they’ll sort it all out in the end.

384350 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 10, #844 of 2049 🔗

If the public doesn’t rebel by April, we’re screwed. I can’t see how this madness can continue without the tacit consent of the public, but if people are as thick as you’ve described, we’re finished.

384359 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #845 of 2049 🔗

It is almost time to look at alternative countries to migrate too.

384380 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #846 of 2049 🔗

I agree. I’m not sure if the kind of reaction I get is due to the government throwing out a really extreme policy idea (complete border closure in this case), then coming out with something half way in between, like this list. Then instead of feeling angry and worried, people feel relieved that they’re off the hook for a time and can keep limping on.

They’ve done it before when they’ve floated ideas about removing support bubbles etc only to row back.

384407 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #847 of 2049 🔗

Its clear the airline and hotel industry are being thrown under the bus in the pursuit of the next stage in the scam, but most of them haven’t realised it yet. Its also clear, to me anyway, that when the mandatory hotel imprisonment is implemented for all country arrivals the net result and aim will actually be to imprison everyone INTO the UK rather than locking others out of the country. And guess what will be key to allowing travel out of the country; of course it will be vaccination and a ”vaccine passport”. It so transparently obvious this is the plan. You can take that week in Spain, that weekend in Prague, just take this little jab and sign up for the ”passport” and you’re good to go.

384370 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to alw, 3, #848 of 2049 🔗

Why is not China on the list? Asking for a friend!

384416 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheClone, 3, #849 of 2049 🔗

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

384246 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #850 of 2049 🔗

Drug companies, governments and authorities will always deny a link between a vaccine and the death / disability……..

Pfizer denies connection between vaccine and doctor’s death

  • Dr. Gregory Michael, an obstetrician in Miami Beach, received a first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and died 16 days later of a cerebral hemorrhage (stroke)
  • Within three days of taking the shot, he developed symptoms of a severe autoimmune bleeding disorder, idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)
  • According to his wife, the 56-year old OB/GYN physician was healthy when he received the COVID-19 vaccine and began exhibiting symptoms of bleeding under the skin within 72 hours
  • He was hospitalized in the intensive care unit but none of the treatments were able to stop the internal bleeding
  • During the past decade, there have been a number of studies showing that ITP develops after receipt of vaccines, with authors calling for more research into the association between vaccination and ITP

The Pfizer spokesman added, “We are actively investigating this case but we don’t believe at this time that there is any direct connection to the vaccine.

A CBS report quoted the Pfizer spokesman as saying:

“There have been no related safety signals identified in our clinical trials, the post-marketing experience thus far or with the mRNA vaccine platform. To date millions of people have been vaccinated and we are closely monitoring all adverse events in individuals receiving our vaccine.

It is important to note that serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/28/dr-gregory-michael-covid-vaccine-death.aspx

384314 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 4, #851 of 2049 🔗

Of course they would deny any link. Think of the tremendous backlash if they started issuing warnings now. They’d be lynched as would all government ministers.

384320 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Victoria, 2, #852 of 2049 🔗

they’ll cover their arse and deny any links/causation.

384247 Will, 17, #853 of 2049 🔗

If you want a clear example of the difference between lockdown 1 and lockdown 3 you need look no further than the price at the petrol pump. The idea this lockdown has made the slightest difference to the spread of the virus is laughable.

384262 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 8, #855 of 2049 🔗

He means that the current monetary system is no longer working.

Financial reset needed

384280 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to rockoman, 13, #856 of 2049 🔗

The likes of WEF and Gates coming out in the last few days defending themselves from “mad conspiracy theories” however it has so far played out exactly like David Icke predicted.

384260 Victoria, 7, #857 of 2049 🔗

Steve Hilton finds stunning Covid 19 connections: ‘Specific activity that Dr. Fauci funded and it is terrifying’
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/01/25/steve-hilton-finds-stunning-covid-19-evidence-specific-activity-that-dr-fauci-funded-and-it-is-terrifying-1020943/

384269 John P, replying to John P, 22, #858 of 2049 🔗

I was thinking last night about the mask phenomenon. (I have never worn one and I am determined that I never will.)

But I remember early on and before they were mandated here in England that a lot of people wore black ones. I mean, of all the colours (tones) that you could wear. Black is the colour most strongly associated in people’s minds with death. It has always struck me as particularly perverse.

Why the desire to signal your approval of masks by wearing a death mask? Why not wear a green one? (I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a green one). I’ve seen some other colours, some with pictures on and and even floral ones, but the black “death” mask seems to be by far the most popular (with the possible exception of the surgical light blue one).

The wearing of these damp cloths is revolting enough without so many of these hideous things being black. What is the matter with people?

384290 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, 3, #859 of 2049 🔗

It’s a sartorial matter, darling.

384310 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John P, 9, #860 of 2049 🔗

The black ones in particular make me feel physically ill when I see them.

384343 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #861 of 2049 🔗

They are deeply sinister.

384371 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #862 of 2049 🔗

I am trying to work with a therapist to get over my fear of masks, one thing I said early on is that I find the black masks are particularly bad.

384646 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DoubtingDave, 1, #863 of 2049 🔗

why would you want to get over it? It is a sign of mental health and spiritual purity.

384356 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to John P, 6, #864 of 2049 🔗

Black ones don’t show the patches of moisture and saliva that accumulate when they are worn for a prolonged period. It must be a bit off putting even for the fans.

384374 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #865 of 2049 🔗

You beat me to it. Stained yellow muzzles aren’t very fashionable.

384469 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to John P, 1, #866 of 2049 🔗

Black hides the muck

384528 ▶▶ Felice, replying to John P, 3, #867 of 2049 🔗

I have always hated the black masks and I know why too. It’s the similarity with the muslim face veil.

We lived in a Middle Eastern country for many years. We were there first in the 1980s, when the local women wore colourful clothes, covered their heads with colourful scarves and went barefaced. The bedu women often wore a ‘traditional’ mask, ie one that just covered the eyes and nose bridge, that resembled a birds beak.

When we returned in the 2000s, all had changed. Black abayas (full length robes covering up what is worn below) were the norm. Black head scarves seemed compulsory. And as the decade wore on, face coverings became more and more common. They were black, of course, and covered the entire lower half of the face so that only the eyes were visible.

I absolutely hated those face veils. They de-humanised the women. They became indistinguishable one from another. And the women were complicit in becoming invisible, as they would never meet my eye or make any kind of contact.

The face veils were a powerful symbol of how women had been totally suppressed by their menfolk. The black masks worn here today resemble them closely, but rather than being a symbol of the suppression of women, they are the symbol of the suppression of the ruled class.

384542 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to John P, 4, #868 of 2049 🔗

I think there’s something to say about the ambivalence of the covidians.

On the one hand, they are hysterically afraid of death. On the other hand, they are (it seems) endlessly excited and gratified by bombastic representations of people dying. They reject the reality of death, but they are titillated by it. Hence the concept of ‘fear porn’ – ‘I can’t bear it: show me more!’

I think the black masks demonstrate the ambivalence. They seem to ward off death, but as you point out they also bring it closer; they plaster it all over the face of a living person.

For me, the symbolic obscenity of masks is in part to do with the literal and symbolic cancelling-out, by the state, of the human being – a person with a face, a person who can breathe, a person who can speak. It’s mad for the state to obstruct our ability to breathe – and we might ask how could the mask-wearers possibly want to go along with this? But there is in some erotic orientations a deep gratification in being overborne, cancelled out, utterly dominated.

The mask-wearers claim that it doesn’t obstruct their breathing. But I think it does, and they like it, though they can’t admit that to themselves. Some SM practices include partial suffocation.

I think the people in favour of masks and all the other forms of assault on what it means to be a human being are deeply and inadmissibly in love with the image of death.

384643 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Alethea, 1, #869 of 2049 🔗

it is a sinister cult with close affinity to various sexual perversions- they are a bunch of necrophiliacs. it horrifies and disgusts me, as do its practitioners and novitiates. it is mentally and spiritually unclean. I will refuse to have any part of it until my dying breath.

384272 chaos, 8, #870 of 2049 🔗

plebs dont need no education
no zoom or ideas above their station

hey Boris.. leave those plebs alone..

384277 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 16, #871 of 2049 🔗

What is with these ID card fanatics? They will just never give up!

The Telegraph (free article):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/exclusive-tony-blair-calls-boris-johnson-lead-drive-global-vaccine/

Mr Blair said the passport should be digital and capable of tracking and verifying an individual’s coronavirus “status” wherever they travel in the world. Included would be details of any vaccination they had, together with the results of Covid-19 test results.

What if you don’t have smart phone – like me?

384291 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Tenchy, 15, #872 of 2049 🔗

GHST @ The Telegraph was paid £3.5 million by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

384413 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to nickbowes, 3, #873 of 2049 🔗

It’s the money that keeps the DT afloat. Without it they would be bankrupt.

384316 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tenchy, 16, #874 of 2049 🔗

Haha whenever your in doubt about your position just remember that Tony is on the other side. Helps clear matter up.

384319 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Tenchy, 19, #875 of 2049 🔗

No surprise there, he tried to bring in ID cards when he was in office.

Tony Blair really is a turd that just won’t flush (pinched that from Escape From Lockdown podcast – referencing Ferguson). I wish Blair would just piss of and go and count his money which will take the rest of his life (and probably beyond) to complete.

Has he not caused enough pain without sticking his beak into COVid 1984? He was the one who first suggested extending the gap between doses of the vaccine against the manufacturers instructions.

We really have enough shit to deal with with our current crop of idiots without resurrecting Blair.

384341 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Laura Suckling, 11, #876 of 2049 🔗

He really is evil. Love the phrase ‘the turd that won’t flush’! That encapsulates how simultaneously unappealing and frustrating Tony Blair actually is. Thanks for this! I’ll share the phrase with others.

384397 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #877 of 2049 🔗

Q. What is a “Tony Blair”?

384404 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jinks, 4, #878 of 2049 🔗

I had a very satisfying Tony Blair this morning. Apparently I don’t digest sweetcorn very well though.

384508 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jinks, 2, #879 of 2049 🔗

an anagram of Tony B, Liar
And here are some anagrams of Anthony Charles Lynton Blair

Nonchalantly slithery baron.
Nonchalantly nasty, horrible
Born actor. Lethally nanny-ish.
Tyrannical, horny, lethal snob

courtesy https://www.anagramgenius.com/archive/anthon3.html

384480 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #880 of 2049 🔗

Don’t worry. He will be whispering in the ear of Sir Trilateral Starmer to make sure he’s onside when he takes over as leader of the Government National of Unity.

How did the likes of Gates and Blair get to be medical advisers to the planet? Answers on a postcard please. . . .MW

384322 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tenchy, 5, #881 of 2049 🔗

Don’t worry you could have a bar code tattoo or a microchip implant.

384340 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Tenchy, 3, #882 of 2049 🔗

You could always get a tattoo

384425 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Tenchy, 3, #883 of 2049 🔗

You will be given a smart card they’ve got it all planned out

384476 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Tenchy, 1, #884 of 2049 🔗

£$£$£$£$ and control – what else? We junked our instrument of surveillance several months ago. MW

384645 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, #885 of 2049 🔗

Once digital/health passports have been accepted the next thing with be an embedded tattoo.Bill Gates has already developed the technology.
That will take care of those who don’t have a smart phone.
Look up China’s social credit system.This is the goal.

384278 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #886 of 2049 🔗

Eric Feigl-Ding has invented two new terms:

“anti-lockdown deniers” and “zerocovid dismissing deniers”

I’m not going to link his Tweet but it looks like he just wants to add denier to anything and everything.

384282 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #887 of 2049 🔗

Marxists always do – whilst they tell you to believe in their lies.

384286 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #888 of 2049 🔗

It’s all fine.. overused terms lose their power… c.f. ‘racist’, ‘fascist’, ‘white nationalist’ etc

384288 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #889 of 2049 🔗

Perhaps he’s a “life denier”?

384292 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #890 of 2049 🔗

Zerocovid dismissing deniers is one of the least catchy slurs I’ve ever heard.

384295 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #891 of 2049 🔗

zerocovid dismissing deniers” jeez, that’s a bit of a mouthful for your average Doomer.

384297 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #892 of 2049 🔗

Aren’t anti-lockdown deniers people denying the need for anti-lockdown measures?

384306 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #893 of 2049 🔗

I’ve got some terms for Eric Fecal-Dung. They include “charlatan”, “mentally ill attention seeking manchild” and “lying hysteric.”

384318 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #894 of 2049 🔗
384332 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #895 of 2049 🔗

Yep. A nutritionist. Almost as crazy as trusting a theoretical physicist or a social anthropologist with your disease response…

384346 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #896 of 2049 🔗

Thanks GS. He’s obviously a scrote.

“the most virulent virus epidemic the world has ever seen.”. Ffs.

384331 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #897 of 2049 🔗

Reality denier.

384363 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #898 of 2049 🔗

I have no idea who he is and I don’t think I want to be enlightened.

384388 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leggy, 2, #899 of 2049 🔗

Probably the biggest single culprit of global lockdown, and a lying fraud.

384547 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Nobody2021, #900 of 2049 🔗

Maybe someone should tell him that denying anti-lockdown ideas means one is in favour of them.

384317 james007, replying to james007, 25, #901 of 2049 🔗

If the vaccine does not inhibit transmission, what is the point of vaccine passports?

384327 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to james007, 19, #902 of 2049 🔗

Control. Rewards for those that behave.

384328 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to james007, 7, #903 of 2049 🔗

Shush James, don’t ask questions. Descent not allowed, trust the experts and obey……….resistance is futile……join he Borg.

384329 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to james007, 12, #904 of 2049 🔗

Control.

384352 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to james007, 14, #905 of 2049 🔗

Because Fuck You, that’s why.

384362 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to james007, 8, #906 of 2049 🔗

Control and discrimination!

384436 ▶▶ james007, replying to james007, 4, #907 of 2049 🔗

Ps: if the vaccine does inhibit transmission, why do we still need lockdowns?

384471 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to james007, 2, #908 of 2049 🔗

James, you were warned – off to the gulag for re-education you go.

384823 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Laura Suckling, #909 of 2049 🔗

2+2=5, Godammit!

384821 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to james007, #910 of 2049 🔗

If masks worked, why lockdowns?

384339 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 5, #911 of 2049 🔗

Hello, got back from Greece last Friday, perhaps beating the forcible quarantine in a hotel at own expense just in time.
what strikes me about North London is that only about half the people wear masks, despite the propaganda. It is virtually wall to wall in Greece although there it is illegal to not wear a mask outdoors.

384410 ▶▶ alw, replying to Waldorf, 3, #912 of 2049 🔗

I would say in North London where I live maybe 10% wear masks if that. The maskers come out at weekends and I believe they are the visitors.

384432 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to alw, 3, #913 of 2049 🔗

I notice the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Stamford Hill hardly wear them – I saw one woman only wearing one and she was probably going into a shop.
I was told one of their centres was fined for holding a wedding attended by about 400 people.

384470 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Waldorf, 8, #914 of 2049 🔗

The Orthodox Jews have been great in all of this.

They also have loads of kids.

That must piss certain people off no end.

384472 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 7, #915 of 2049 🔗

Used to live there, excellent neighbours, big on music and education. Low CV19 amongst Amish in US “Because we don’t have Television”.

384484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #916 of 2049 🔗

In the topsy-turvy world of Covid they seem to be the die-hard humans. Who would have thought it?

384473 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Waldorf, 12, #917 of 2049 🔗

We met a friend of ours in Morrisons, wearing washing-up gloves and his muzzle. He has not been out without this get-up since March. His wife has had the Pfizer jab and he will have had the AZ one by now. We got an email from him yesterday about something else so we guess they’re still alive. . . . .

Anyway, he told us with great glee that the Rabbi had reportedly died of the Great Plague. Fake news of course; the Rabbi died last year ‘of’ Covid it seems. If anyone died after that wedding, what a golden opportunity for the zealots.

We applaud the Orthodox Jews; they have resisted this crap from the start. Apparently Israel’s having problems with the same community as they are also refusing the jab. MW

384689 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #918 of 2049 🔗

I’d like to think that the Jewry are slightly more sensitive than most to the subject of wearing forced badges of compliance to an authoritarian regime.

384892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cranmer, #919 of 2049 🔗

I would be interested to know their motivations – but I would assume the deeply religious would think Covid is just one of those things and it is all in the hands of God anyway.

384344 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 13, #920 of 2049 🔗

Re. The Talk Radio story, I have listened for months and relieved to listen to some common sense, BUT…..today I turned off and wont be back. While the presenters are decent, having to listen to the latest government fear campaign every ten minutes or so in the adverts is way too much. You would think that an anti lockdown channel, would not take the governments millions in advertising to keep the fear going.
That is me done with them I’m afraid. The media must be making tens and hundreds of millions from the Government to peddle fear. I’m not going to be chalked up as a listener.

384348 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to John Ballard, 7, #921 of 2049 🔗

just watch the Neil Oliver section direct on youtube

384360 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to John Ballard, 9, #922 of 2049 🔗

Jolly hockey sticks JHB is currently shilling for the vaccine and smearing anyone who questions the need for one with pejorative label ” Anti Vaxer “

384373 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Christopher, 10, #923 of 2049 🔗

I don’t get JHB. A few weeks ago I heard her say something along the lines of “just wear the mask, it’s a legal requirement”. Was so horrified, I wrote to TR to complain. Of course, I heard nothing back. Can’t listen to her anymore.

384386 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 6, #924 of 2049 🔗

She has never been anti-mask. It doesn’t trouble her to wear one, so she can’t imagine how awful it can be for others. I still appreciate the way she interviews politiicians and lockdownistas but she has limited empathy and imagination, imo.

384387 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to kh1485, 5, #925 of 2049 🔗

She’s either been told to reign it in a bit or has always been in place to try and steer dissenting voices / opinions into the desired outcome , ie : jabbed and tracked forever .

384419 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 4, #926 of 2049 🔗

She was a lockdownista for lockdown version one. Her conversion was late and always very limited. She is in favour of social distancing, face masks, following all the rules, vaccines.

384423 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #927 of 2049 🔗

That’s my take on her but people keep holding her up as some kind of defender of the LS case.

384464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to kh1485, 1, #928 of 2049 🔗

Weird, isn’t it?

All she does isquestion a couple of points of the Party-promulgated narrative.

384494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 1, #929 of 2049 🔗

Lots of people don’t pay very close attention to things, don’t remember things very well, and have a tendency to fill in the gaps with want they want to believe. The shortage of dissent from people with a platform has meant that many would like her to be opposed to the madness, so they pretend to themselves that she is.

384541 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Christopher, 1, #930 of 2049 🔗

She is an idiot and has been shilling for it since before Christmas.

384774 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to jb12, 1, #931 of 2049 🔗

Don’t trust her whatsoever , when this is over she’ll be sharing drinks with Morgan, Hangcock , Doris and the rest of them at all the right parties no doubt .

384365 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John Ballard, 7, #932 of 2049 🔗

I listen on youtube, there are no adverts.

384455 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to leggy, #933 of 2049 🔗

Thanks will give that a go maybe, cheers

384415 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to John Ballard, 2, #934 of 2049 🔗

Adverts were beyond the pail. I turned off too.

384688 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #935 of 2049 🔗

At home I listen to TR on Youtube and block the ads. In the car, I have to make do with manually turning the radio off when the ads come on, then turning back on again 2 mins or so later.

384526 ▶▶ mj, replying to John Ballard, 2, #936 of 2049 🔗

and dont forget monday’s Peter Hitchens segment where the you tube video was clearly edited by TR

384676 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John Ballard, 1, #937 of 2049 🔗

I think there’s a limit to what TR can achieve; broadcasting rules enforce some sort of balance on content and of course they have to have an income, and most of the advertising at the moment is fear porn from HMG. It’s still streets ahead of other radio stations and is about the only one that detracts in any way from the official narrative.

384351 TheHandbag, 7, #938 of 2049 🔗

Just as a matter of interest before I dash off, has anyone actually put in a FOI on deaths with min 28 days of receiving the covid-19 vaccination?

I saw the thing in left lockdown skeptics, but as there is actually a database storing info on vaccinees, it should be fairly easy to get the answer for the UK at least.

And if you did get an interesting result, then the correlation is not causation gang won’t get far, because that’s precisely the point with all the COVID Death stats in elderly people with comorbidities.

384355 this is my username, 1, #939 of 2049 🔗

The Greater Good – trailer

https://youtu.be/VxR8XQHc0A0

384358 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 12, #940 of 2049 🔗

No jab, no job policy should be law!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/28/no-jab-no-job-policy-should-law/
Pay attention to this moron because it coming. The clown will turn this country in a gulag!
Vaxx discrimination!

384375 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to TheClone, 3, #941 of 2049 🔗

Who was it who said that the Telegraph had £3.5million from Bill Gates?

384858 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to leggy, #943 of 2049 🔗

So how do I find out how much The Guardian has been given?

384376 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheClone, 2, #944 of 2049 🔗

Snap! 🙂

384383 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheClone, 8, #945 of 2049 🔗

The irony of this. Before and right now people are saying it’s more important to save lives because the human right to life (in this case not dying) is more important than the economy.

Once the virus has passed these same people will back the “no jab no job” idea because getting the economy going again is more important than your human rights.

384450 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #946 of 2049 🔗

Covudians don’t want life.

They want, at best, undeath.

384364 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #947 of 2049 🔗

Back in the early days, there was a picture widely circulating of ‘zombies’ driving down the street, tightly packed, each in a small bubble car. It was used to depict a possible dystopian future. Facebook banned it. I can’t find it anywhere. Anyone got a copy?

384399 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tenchy, #948 of 2049 🔗

I remember it exactly. Going to be a nightmare to find it!

384409 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #949 of 2049 🔗

It was a French or Italian book cover I think if that helps.

384429 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #950 of 2049 🔗

That helped enormously cheers!

384438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #951 of 2049 🔗

Incredibly it was a painting by Walter Molina in 1962 and is called Life in 2022!

384462 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #952 of 2049 🔗

Furs, hats, one gent raising his to a lady passer by. Great stuff!

384479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #953 of 2049 🔗

Before my time but he didn’t quite gauge the fashions and manners prevailing now!

384663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #954 of 2049 🔗

Today’s obese population could barely get one leg into one of those little wagons.

384468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #955 of 2049 🔗

More or less contemporary.

384601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #956 of 2049 🔗

Excellent! Thank you very much.

384368 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #957 of 2049 🔗

Much criticism has been – rightly – directed at Doris throughout this fiasco, but less so to Mr Gove. As Gove is now leading the assault on Sir Desmond Swayne, I think it is only right we remember how this man thinks about his own kids – here referring to an 11 year old left alone in a hotel and waking up at 1.30 am wondering where his parents were:

Michael Gove under scrutiny for leaving son alone in hotel to go dancing – BBC News

384394 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 13, #958 of 2049 🔗

He’s an evil back-stabbing creep. Much worse than The Fat Dictator, actually. And that’s saying something.

384401 ▶▶ alw, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #959 of 2049 🔗

And both his wife and daughter have written in the DM about the appalling effects of lockdown on education All not well in the Gove household.

384453 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #960 of 2049 🔗

As he can’t be trusted to brush his own teeth, I struggle to see why he would be any better trusted with anything else involving more responsibility than that.

384559 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #961 of 2049 🔗

I always thought that the way in which Gove – a pompous second-rate scribbler (and other characters like the Moggy) – was touted as an intellectual resulted from the shrinking Tory Party being really hard up for talent

384661 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 1, #962 of 2049 🔗

Gove also had the gall to praise the late Sir Roger Scruton on the first anniversary of his death. Say what you like about Scruton but he would have been utterly horrified by what the Tories have done since his death.

384369 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #963 of 2049 🔗

Appalling article from Matthew Lynn n today’s DT advocating full fat Mullins Jab for Job lunacy.

384435 ▶▶ tazzy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #964 of 2049 🔗

This chills me to the bone! I am grateful that I am no longer employed as I would find this something I would hate beyond belief – that people can even think it scares me!

384440 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #965 of 2049 🔗

Just read that. Utterly disgusting. (The comments are good though.)

‘It’s only a face mask’. Remember that? How quaint and innocent all that seems now. And the bovine dumb Great British Public go along with it all. They deserve to go under.

384636 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #966 of 2049 🔗

Doesn’t make sense – he wants legal discrimination against the unvaccinated, yet says lockdown should be lifted ‘once everyone who wants to be has been vaccinated’. So if it’s voluntary why does he care about those who refuse it?

384814 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, #967 of 2049 🔗

He is looking at it from the PoV of shops, offices, factories etc. being able to open fully and start contributing to the economy again. They can get the same Covid free result by laying off all the fatties.

384381 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 38, #968 of 2049 🔗

The damage being done by Lockdown is clearly beyond the wit of those enforcing it. Sunak has been consistently 10x to 100x out on his woeful cigarette packet cost assessments. Not one thorough cost-benefit analysis has ever been presented to Parliament ahead of ever more draconian legislation being waived through (or imposed via ministerial decree). In condemning the economy to a generation of unsustainable debt levels, it is likely that the debt will rise beyond £60,000 for every UK citizen, who will ultimately have to shoulder future debt management – with private assets being at risk.

As other commenters have pointed out, small businesses are beginning to wake up and secretly opening again; we must support them at every point. Post-lockdown the supermarkets (who have profited from our misery) must be boycotted for actively collaborating in killing off small businesses – as well as having an immediate windfall profit tax rate levied on them to help resuscitate SMEs, including the devastated arts sector.

Be sure this lockdown madness will never be lifted willingly by this government (for a variety of reasons), so it falls upon us to chip away at it by each and every day, breaking more and rules, asking more and more questions – until it becomes unenforceable. At some point we must hope the UK’s natural desire to be free will override its current subservient addiction to being imprisoned. Government must then be made to answer for its actions, and subservient politicians of all stripes for their lack of action.

384631 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #969 of 2049 🔗

Yes. I’ve been encouraged by the large numbers of people joining the Great Reopening groups on Telegram. There is a national group, county groups and district/parish groups. We need to stop hoping that the government will lift lockdowns – which is looking increasingly unlikely – and instead start building informal parallel economies and support networks with like-minded people in our local area.

384384 leggy, replying to leggy, 10, #970 of 2049 🔗

Police harassing people going about their business again.

https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205

384411 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to leggy, 14, #971 of 2049 🔗

Utterly pathetic, the police wont deal with real crime, so they stop a young man on his way to work, and harass him, this policeman was obviously after a fight, what a nasty piece of work.

384447 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to liztr835, 14, #972 of 2049 🔗

The police man calling the young man “you idiot” is already a complaint filed.

384456 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to liztr835, 9, #973 of 2049 🔗

Harrassing normal citizens is a far easier and safer route to that gold-plated pension than breaking up drug gangs.

384460 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 13, #974 of 2049 🔗

Comments are a disgrace; “just give them your details and move on”. Why should he have to do that.

These are the same idiots who believe the old “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about” argument..

384535 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ceriain, 3, #975 of 2049 🔗

They are the most idiotic people around.

384491 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leggy, 4, #976 of 2049 🔗

Bastards. I hate them, pure and simple.

384519 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to leggy, 8, #977 of 2049 🔗

Know your rights….

Stop and question: police powers

A police officer might stop you and ask:

what your name is

what you’re doing in the area

where you’re going

You don’t have to stop or answer any questions. If you don’t and there’s no other reason to suspect you, then this alone can’t be used as a reason to search or arrest you.

More info can be found at:
https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights

In this instance the policeman invading his space (forcing him to back off around to avoid contact) is physical intimidation, and calling the man an “idiot” is open harassment. If the officer is not immediately suspended pending an investigation then we in the UK are in serious trouble.

384389 bebophaircut, 3, #978 of 2049 🔗

https://unflappabl.com/

For those who love to toot their own horn.

BuildBackBritain.

384398 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #979 of 2049 🔗

Informed consent – is this fundamental right being respected?
With the mass vaccination program now in full swing, we are hearing of more and more reports suggesting this fundamental right and legal requirement is not being respected. The vast majority of people are simply not being given the opportunity to exercise this right that is a foundational principle of medical ethics and central to the concept of patient autonomy. Most people likely don’t even know what information they should be able to receive prior to vaccination.

Check out our video below (under 8 minutes in length), presented by Rob Verkerk PhD, including inputs from dentist, Dr Zac Cox, from the World Doctors Alliance and integrative doctor, Dr Anna Forbes, head of the UK Medical Freedom Alliance .

https://youtu.be/UBLDwinDjAs

You don’t need to sign something to give consent – baring your arm is sufficient.
In the case of vaccination, this is, in essence, your gesture that gives the vaccinator permission to touch you and inject you Failure to seek your permission would typically be regarded, legally, as assault or battery.

The real problem therefore isn’t with the consent itself, but with the information that should precede the issue of consent.

For consent to be valid you need 3 things

  1. It must be given voluntarily – without coercion or deceit.
  2. It must be given by an individual who has mental capacity, and
  3. BEFORE giving consent, a person needs to have been fully informed about the issue. That includes being informed about what the risks and benefits of the treatment or vaccination are, as well as the risks and benefits of going without the treatment or vaccination, and what alternate options might be available.

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/informed-consent-is-this-fundamental-right-being-respected/

384422 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Victoria, 3, #980 of 2049 🔗

This is also detailed in the government/NHS website, so all health staff should be awsre of it, if they have an ounce of professionalism and awareness of accountability.They seem to have a very flippant attitude to an unlicdnsed medication. This is just from memory, I remember reading something that although the pharmacy is indemnified, as the drug is unlicensed potential legal clàims for side effects could be made against the prescriber Would need to check this again. I wonder also, if you have not been informed of potential risks, side effects that if any are suffered you could claim against the person administering the drug for failing to provide information.

384448 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Victoria, 4, #981 of 2049 🔗

what worries me though is that if they can section you under the Mental Health Act, they can dispense with the need for your consent. this is their loophole for dissenters like us.

384451 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #982 of 2049 🔗

as I posted earlier – like bank loans, human rights law only offers you help at the moments when you don’t actually need it

384625 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #983 of 2049 🔗

I’d go further and suggest that some (perhaps many) ‘human rights’ lawyers are actively working against the public good, eg by preventing the deportation of convicted criminals. Their conspicuous absence in all this suggests they are not interested in human rights as an abstract concept, merely as a means to an end, whether that be financial gain or the destabilisation of British society and values.

384459 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #984 of 2049 🔗

They will simply declare us deranged, this permitting them to strap us to a table and vax us for the greater good.

384488 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #985 of 2049 🔗

For the act to apply the individual would have to have a mental illness and constitute a present threat to their self and/or others. Not consenting to a vaccine does not meet the threshold.

384571 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, #986 of 2049 🔗

This is from memory, and I’m not a mental health nurse, so there will be errors:
Section 135: used by police if a person is threatening to harm themselves or others- police can enter property
Section 136: as Section 135 but limited to public places.
Police must take person to nearest mental health facility or the nearest Emergency Department.

Sections 2 & 3 are the sections used to detain a person who is showing serious psychiatric symptoms.
One is for up to 28 days( section 3?) and the other for up to 26 weeks (section 2?). Not sure on the actual periods here

A person can enter a section 2 voluntarily. An involuntary section requires two signatures, one a psychiatric doctor and the other can be a social worker or another psychiatric doctor specialising in mental health.

Section 5 can be used in the case where a person attends for a physical health problem and starts to show serious psychiatric symptoms, a consultant can then hold the patient until a full psyche eval can take place. This section also allows a nurse who is trained as mental health or learning disabilities to detain a patient for up to 4 hours. ( imay be completely wrong about this as there’s also a section 4 )

384449 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Victoria, 4, #987 of 2049 🔗

Baring your arm could be considered consent; however consent is not a one off transaction, you have the right to withdraw consent at any point in the procedure.

384481 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 6, #988 of 2049 🔗

The ethical requirement for informed voluntary consent has be systematically violated on the ground that the virus is unprecedented. People have been coerced into having coronavirus tests as a matter of policy. When I fell off my bike and broke my hip, I was told by the NHS I could not have treatment (which I obviously needed) unless I submitted to the coronavirus test. There was nothing voluntary about this. I wrote about this on my blog: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2021/01/admitted-to-hospital-in-time-of.html

384505 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, #989 of 2049 🔗

I just had an email from Age UK (I signed a petition for them once!). This is their “Vaccine FAQ” page and their comment on consent:

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/coronavirus/coronavirus-guidance/coronavirus-vaccine/

What will happen at my vaccine appointment?

When you attend your appointment, you’ll be asked:

How you’re feeling and if you have any symptoms that would stop you from being able to have the vaccine.

About your medical history.

If you have any questions.

To consent to having the vaccine.

Says nothing about informed consent. That said they go on to say:

Is the vaccine safe?

Yes. While there will be different vaccines available, no one will receive a vaccine that hasn’t been properly approved and shown to be safe.

I’m not sure an emergency approval is the same as properly approved?

They then say:

Serious reactions to vaccines are uncommon but can happen.

How’s that “safe” then? The mind boggles.

384545 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, #990 of 2049 🔗

How’s that “safe” then?”

Nothing can be guaranteed ‘safe’. That’s not the issue, which is a clear understanding of the balance of risk.

384721 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, #991 of 2049 🔗

Which is how they should answer the question “Is the vaccine safe?”. Not just “Yes”. Especially when they go on to mention serious reactions!

384833 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, #992 of 2049 🔗

I am surprised they used actual words, doing it in cartoon form might be much better.

384538 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #993 of 2049 🔗

The major abuse prior to the vaccine is the routine use of PCR testing.

384402 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #994 of 2049 🔗

Israel, Gibraltar and UK. Why the high death rate despite widespread vaccinations?

The reason being that the vaccine in itself produces sudden death is unlikely. The age and fragility among the vaccinated probably explain the amounts of deaths shortly after vaccination. Even though Norway 1 in 1000 seems high, other figures in Israel, Sweden, Germany and US seems much more plausible. They are most likely background rate of sudden death after vaccination.

But why so many deaths after vaccinations in the care homes/frail elderly despite most extensive vaccination campaigns in the three countries above?

These are, in my opinion, real other concerns instead of the scare above.

There are three things to consider ADE(antibody dependent enhancement),autoimmunity or that the vaccine is not protecting against C-19 in the elderly (considering that the three countries above started the vaccination campaign in increasing outbreaks)

ADE which occurs in dengue virus infection, is not a concern according to this article, which says that Sars-Cov2 is not infecting macrophages and only respiratory cells.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32785649/

There is a dissenting opinion.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine/

But let us disregard this possibility among the elderly, as they probably would need an extensive autopsy to prove this, and going by clinical criteria difficult to distinguish ADE death from normal C-19 death.

Auto immunity. This is serious concern for some as in this BMJ letter quoted here (Dr Ulm 21st Dec)

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037/rapid-responses

As a contra article also publish this link dismissing these concerns.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-an-mrna-vaccine-be-dangerous-in-the-long-term-649253

Autoimmune disease is a more long term risk, and they might be of less importance for these elderly patients with already limited life span. Autoimmune disease is seldom fulminant perhaps with exception of (Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura ( ITP ) which might be fulminant as in the single case of fulminant ITP in the Florida physician having the Pfizer vaccine. There are a few milder ITP reported in the US but think of 17 million doses given, most likely background rate of the disease so far.

All the trials with the vaccines were in short time period and autoimmune disease (if they occur after the vaccine in long term studies) is a long term concern. This, I assume, all younger persons having the vaccine must have realized and calculating it would still be a minor hypothetical risk than the risk of dying of  C-19 disease itself.

It is highly unlikely that the elderly dying in the above countries should have had ITP, as bleeding signs would be obvious for care staff.

The leads us to the most likely possible cause for the elderly, which the PHE must exclude asap. The vaccine is not effective in the elderly. The trials included extremely few elderly individuals. All earlier vaccines are less effective in this extreme age group. Would this more modern vaccine be an exception?

The PHE should send out an investigative epidemiological team to Gibraltar to exclude the possibility of less or no effect of the vaccine in the elderly. Ideal conditions for a quick investigation.

The Spectator LD centrics ,Alistair Haimes posted this study, of 120 000, showing that the vaccine was effective in Israel.(They now have 2.6 million one dose,1.2 million two doses)

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/early-results-on-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-encouraging-says-israeli-hmo-656678

As one can see in the below death C-19 chart from Israel, even vaccine enthusiast must now have concerns seeing this picture 7 weeks into the most effective vaccination campaign in the world amongst the elderly.

384467 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to swedenborg, 1, #995 of 2049 🔗

Another great post. Not sure about the last paragraph though. All they are going to do is blame it on dissenters again. They will never admit that they may have been wrong about anything, they would rather silence the blasphemers.

384485 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #996 of 2049 🔗

Yes, great stuff from Swedenborg again – by which I mean informative and thought-provoking.

384486 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #997 of 2049 🔗

I wonder if SAGE know the vaccine doesn’t really work and this is why they’ve gone cold on it

384496 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to swedenborg, 13, #998 of 2049 🔗

I know I’m repeating myself here: but I do want to say again how much I appreciate your contribution to this site, Swedenborg. For me, you represent the good science: always working away, monitoring the research, testing its hypotheses, thinking about what you’ve read, reporting your findings to the wider community. In a social and discursive world which increasingly appears to me at once broken down and evacuated, your posts suggest the warm steady light emanating from a library or laboratory standing miraculously intact among the rubble and the windblown waste.

384577 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 3, #999 of 2049 🔗

You have a rare talent, Swedenborg, to be able to make such dense science intelligible to someone like me, thank you.

384602 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, #1000 of 2049 🔗

Yes largely agree. But would PHE send out an investigative team? Not an earthly.
If the vaccine was simply ineffective in this group, that would not explain the rash of deaths now being reported in quite a few care homes in different locations shortly after a vaccine drive.
I don’t buy the ‘these are Covid deaths’ line.

Here’s another:-

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dropping-dead-like-flies-cna-cant-do-this-no-more-genocide_icAeTPFLYpFolPt.html

384403 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #1001 of 2049 🔗

Tony Heller is in great form:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCTwukaXDgw

384406 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #1002 of 2049 🔗

Tony Heller is excellent .

384408 Bella Donna, 4, #1003 of 2049 🔗
384433 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1004 of 2049 🔗

MSM (TV News) in emotional blackmail overdrive at the moment.

384445 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fingerache Philip, 27, #1005 of 2049 🔗

I recommend “not watching it.” It’s a little trick I’ve picked up.

384474 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1006 of 2049 🔗

I don’t take any notice Jo.
Like I’m going to worry about big pailing hairy assed coppers feeling threatened by people coughing and spitting at em, no more than shop workers (my son is a shop worker) facing the same, and as for a grossly overweight woman preaching about long covid, like I say I ignore it.

384532 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1007 of 2049 🔗

Indeed. The only bit we hear/watch is when we can’t turn over fast enough.

Of course – stuff – like the latest Scary Fairy, 100,000 deaths – still filters through, but let’s not encourage it. And we never read the printed MSM except to see what fabrications are current.

384483 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1008 of 2049 🔗

I think the correct term is ‘desperation’. I could’ve sworn I just saw a kitchen sink go flying past.

“Okay Houston, we’ve had a problem here…..”

384503 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #1009 of 2049 🔗

Ye GS, I do honestly think that the MSM, and the “establishment” are getting increasingly desperate now.
JHB on TR has nailed it, saying “when you resort to name calling (granny killer, blood on our hands, etc), you have really truly lost the argument.

384477 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 21, #1010 of 2049 🔗

Couple of days ago in a completely unrelated discussion on an American website I visit sometimes, I made a passing reference to a relatively obscure novel when replying to another commenter.

Came up on my Amazon recommends today. I think if we truly understood the level of surveillance and monitoring our communications are subject to we’d be amazed.

384518 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1011 of 2049 🔗

amazon usually offers me stuff I have already bought or stuff that I googled years ago and never bought and don’t want

the monitoring is intense but the algorithms are woeful

384493 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, -4, #1012 of 2049 🔗

EU are going to fail in stealing U.K. vaccine, so they are now saying they didn’t want it in the first place. Unless it suddenly becomes available, obvs.

384524 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #1013 of 2049 🔗

Anyone is quite welcome to ‘steal’ the vaccine as far as I’m concerned.

384499 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #1014 of 2049 🔗

A few months ago I would have thought that the enclosed video was a ‘conspiracy theory’. But now???

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-rashid-buttar-they-will-ban-this-immediately-urgent-please-share-now_nqcKaM19DaR5uiW.html

384509 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1015 of 2049 🔗

Good post harry..it is really important to understand the past days of trusting the Houses of Parliament system will come good in the end are long gone. Revising opinion based on recent experience and bacts is required.

384506 Basics, replying to Basics, 37, #1016 of 2049 🔗

“Covid Scotland: Jason Leitch says vaccine passport ‘likely’ to be introduced
Prof Leitch warned that people will have to live Covid in some form and potentially need routine vaccinations for years to come.”
Edinburgh live or any other msm outlet you choose.

Once again, commenters derided months and months ago in these very pages are proved right.

Any incompetence theorists who rubbished such conerned well intended comments at the time ought to reflect on their support for breaking this tyranny we are under.

This is not a joke with a happy ending. The other side is playing for keeps. If you continue to post about incompetence I consider you nothing more than a boiling frog, we need better awareness from people. In would be the place on infiltrators to keep a lid on the future planned for us. It is not a healthy or bright future.

Incompetence is used to create chaos out of which they force their goals and aim through. The continuous trajectory we have been on since 19/3/20 is undeniable there have been no improvements in that line. The trajectory is easy to spot and easy to predict the future direction.

Look up Order Out of Chaos – a tactic as old as the hills.

Listen to Mark Windows and boarden your mind.

384511 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Basics, 4, #1017 of 2049 🔗

Great comment.

384517 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 6, #1018 of 2049 🔗

Why would you need to be vaccinated against an endemic virus?

384562 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jb12, 5, #1019 of 2049 🔗

We don’t need to be but then the virus is a means to an end. They want us tagged like domestic animals, this is something that should be resisted with every breath in our bodies. This round of Vaccinations is but the start of the process which will lead to microchips. We are already being vilified and called conspiracy nutters but mark my words it will happen. Nothing else makes any sense.

384692 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1020 of 2049 🔗

Looks to me that this round of biological warfare poison is being used to prolong and promote fear, clear correlation between raising death “With Covid” Cough Cough and the vaccine rollout. Mass murder live on TV and people are queuing up for it!!!

384581 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 5, #1021 of 2049 🔗

“The difficult news about how we live with it is I don’t know what the virus is going to do.

I don’t know if it’s going to ‘vaccine escape’ – so I don’t know if at some point the vaccine is not going to be as reliable and we’re going to have to chase it like we do with flu.
I don’t know what the rest of the world is going to do and I don’t know how populations are going to behave.

“We will probably have to live with this virus in an endemic way in some form and we just don’t know what that looks like.
“We do that with flu just now, there is no science that suggests this virus is suddenly going to disappear or suddenly get fed up and die.
“It looks as though we will live with Covid in some form, probably with routine vaccination over time, for years to come.”

Why doesn’t he just shut the fuck up if he doesn’t know shit. Has there ever been a more non scientific response than COVID?

384712 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 1, #1022 of 2049 🔗

It’s just what I’d expect from the SNP. I’m not particularly political but it seems that they crave power and will do anything that allows them to tighten their grip on the people of Scotland.

384512 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 14, #1023 of 2049 🔗

I sent my useless MP an email a few weeks ago when they put Lockdown 3 into effect. Finally got an equally useless reply.

He says he understands my concerns but we are in this situation because the government did not lock down fast or hard enough. He says that to stop further lockdowns he will do everything in his power to keep the current lockdown going as long as possible in order to get cases as low as possible and will also support a 4th lockdown at the earliest possible moment. This is so we won’t have to live with these measures longer than necessary.

So to stop lockdown from harming people we need to lockdown for longer and prepare to lockdown again after. Cheers you useless tosspot.

384529 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ricky1, 14, #1024 of 2049 🔗

Let me see if I have understood this MP correctly:

  1. He understands lockdowns are harmful.
  2. He believes lockdowns are beneficial.
  3. He wants to prevent further lockdowns.
  4. He intends to support campaign for a future lockdown.
384531 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1025 of 2049 🔗

How have we ended up with such psychopaths in parliament? Is a psych assessment part of the candidate vetting procedure?

384555 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1026 of 2049 🔗

As artificial intelligence is very much talked about now efforts should be made to use computers instead of public servants.

384578 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1027 of 2049 🔗

I think you overlook that so-called AI is produced by programs written by humans who are just as likely to be sociopaths as politicians. I know, I’ve spent a lot of my career trying to deliver projects using them.

384584 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1028 of 2049 🔗

Classic abuser behaviour 🙁

384706 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ricky1, #1029 of 2049 🔗

If people are going to use the time machine argument, i.e. didn’t act early enough, then why do they insist on choosing a point in time that is also too late?

Surely it would be better to pick a point in time that is early enough to not require a lockdown at all.

Therein lies an inherent flaw in the we should have acted sooner argument.

384766 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ricky1, #1030 of 2049 🔗

3 weeks is good. I’ve sent my MP two questions. First time was in August and have chased 3 times since. Utterly pathetic. No respons

384520 isobar, replying to isobar, 24, #1031 of 2049 🔗

I can’t help but notice some disagreement of late as to the usefulness of this website. First and foremost, I think that we should all be grateful to Toby et al, at the very least, for providing us with a platform to express our thoughts and update each other on what is happening in ‘Lockdown Land’ or perhaps more correctly ‘Broken Britain’ because if it isn’t broken now it soon will be unless an end is put to this madness. What I think we are missing, though, is a mechanism to convert our individual thoughts into a cohesive and coherent strategy to try to get us out of the current lockdown sooner rather than later and then do all we can to prevent future lockdowns.

Hence, I would suggest that we might focus our thoughts primarily on the collateral damage of Lockdowns. We should quite rightly continue to flag up the dubious categorisation of deaths and the faulty PCR tests but, sadly, that is unlikely to impress the court of public opinion, as the jury pool on these issues has probably been irretrievably poisoned by the Government, the BBC and the MSM. Hence I would venture to say that if we want to have an impact it’s an emotional rather than scientific argument that we need to push. What might move the jury pool is a focused campaign on the collateral damage of lockdowns, covering topics such as future deaths through lack of cancer screening etc, the damage caused by the psychological warfare that our government is using against us, the devastating effect on our children’s education, the economic damage, the failure (in some cases)to allow mask exemptions, domestic violence , suicides, the aggressive policing etc. In other words, rather than have what some might say is a talking-shop of disparate comments (no disrespect to anyone), how might we collate and categorise these comments and turn them into an evidence-base that can be drawn upon and used as a campaigning dossier to get traction with joe public? I would have thought that could be accommodated by having some specific forums on these topics in addition to those that we have already, with cross posting of daily comments if that does not happen already. Maybe this would help us hone our arguments and press them home with whoever we can, even if it’s only a next door neighbour. We should at minimum relentlessly ram home the message that Lockdowns cost lives rather than saving them. Lockdowns are a crime against humanity and we should never loose sight of that. Even the WHO says that they make the poor poorer. At the last count I think that there are around 30 studies now showing that Lockdowns, or as the Geeks like to call them ‘Non Pharmaceutical Interventions’ have little or no effect on Covid-19 mortality. So if anyone is ‘following the science’ it’s us, not SAGE.

Given that many of our forefathers and foremothers gave their lives in two World Wars to preserve the very freedoms that have been summarily taken away from us, for our esteemed (sarcasm) Prime Minister to invoke a ‘Wartime Spirit’ to defeat the virus is the sickest of sick jokes. Calling him ‘Boris’ is like calling the Grim Reaper ‘Graeme’. We have the moral high ground and the truth will out in the end. We all have a bit of the spirit of Sir Desmond Swayne in us or we wouldn’t be on this site. That he and many other Lockdown Sceptics are being increasingly demonised suggests that our detractors are losing confidence in their own arguments. So to my way of thinking we still have all to play for. Finally I would say to Northumbrian Nomad, please get back on board. No matter what you think about the site, our band of brothers and sisters are the poorer without you.

384552 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to isobar, 2, #1032 of 2049 🔗

Good post , + Biden ( I think this correct) has decreed that all his Staff etc go to using full electric vehicles , a small point I know but it’s another virtue signal that there is clearly an overall agenda under way !! WE have get out of this somehow !!..

384573 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to isobar, 1, #1033 of 2049 🔗

I agree. Charts, graphs, logical arguments, the whole panoply of reasoned argument is largely useless against these people. We need to turn their fear back on them by making them more afraid of lockdowns and restrictions than they are of Covid.

It’s like the film The Life and Times of Colonel Blimp where the young army officer tells Blimp that the Nazis won’t fight fair, and can only be defeated if we use their same dirty tactics against them. Or, as the late Sir Sean Connery famously said in The Untouchables , ‘he pulls out a knife – you pull out a gun.’

384795 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cranmer, #1034 of 2049 🔗

Thank You – Good analogy!

384596 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to isobar, #1035 of 2049 🔗

Excellent points.

384778 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1036 of 2049 🔗

Thank you for the very positive feedback. I think that we have a huge reservoir of expertise, talent, and enthusiasm to right the wrong of lockdowns. I guess that the question in my mind is how can we do this in the most effective way?

385153 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1037 of 2049 🔗

Many thanks, glad that you agree with them!

384522 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 4, #1038 of 2049 🔗

Horrendous article in the DT by Matthew Lynn about making vaccines compulsory:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/01/28/no-jab-no-job-policy-should-law/

Most of the comments, however, are calling him out on this.

384752 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ozzie, #1039 of 2049 🔗

I mean this is extremism. Not someone question whether someone died with or of Covid. Asking people to take part in a medical experiment on threat of sackings.

They are absolutely unhinged now. No holds barred. They will come for your kids after they’ve left you on the bread line. Then what? “Can I have a job now sir?”

384523 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #1040 of 2049 🔗

PHE latest report out

The moral of the story – don’t put infected people into care homes

384569 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #1041 of 2049 🔗

I think we could have fun with ‘spot the flaws’ in that graph’s presentation.

384525 chaos, replying to chaos, 25, #1042 of 2049 🔗

despite the pig dictator Boris Kemal’s best efforts.. my landlady is not going to be made redundant after all.. so my home of ten years stays mine…

384551 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to chaos, 5, #1043 of 2049 🔗

Oh very good news. I am happy for you.

384554 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to chaos, 3, #1044 of 2049 🔗

Great news about your home!

384792 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chaos, #1045 of 2049 🔗

good, phew.

384533 Bella Donna, 4, #1046 of 2049 🔗
384537 Harry hopkins, 2, #1047 of 2049 🔗

A simple and clear cut explanation of the PCR test as of the recent WHO guidance.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/world-health-organization-guidance-on-pcr-tests_hAOzdkXBgCRrpMg.html

(Start at 4 minutes 49 secs.)

384540 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 26, #1048 of 2049 🔗

Seen a heated discussion on asymptomatic transmission. I’d like to add more of a philisophical point:-

Unless unequivocal high transmission of a deadly pathogen can be proved amongst asymptomatics it should never be considered and isn’t even worth debating. It is this very premise that has a population frightened of their own shadow. Prior to the Rona we would sometimes be around sick people and it wouldn’t be that alarming, short of them coughing in your face. Now we have a population afraid of being around perfectly healthy people. Everyone is a potential vector of disease, this is an unbelievably corrosive narrative.

384567 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1049 of 2049 🔗

Ffs, even Saint Fauci is on video stating asymptomatic spread is a non-factor.

384546 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1050 of 2049 🔗

My boy on his way to work this morning straight harassment and abuse of power
@WMerciaPolice

https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205?s=20

Video needs to be seen and shared.

Sadly the police unaware of the danger they pose to life by their actions. It is clear these two in video have been commanded to not go hard and take no dissent to their rule – this command has come from their sgt who will have said the footsoldiers will be supported when then arrest and act like that.

384580 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Basics, 2, #1051 of 2049 🔗

That’s awful. Awful. Poor lad.

384593 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 4, #1052 of 2049 🔗

Fucking goons, continually pecking at his gimp mask. I swear the masks are a deliberate tool to allow these goons to be non-entities and act like faceless automotons with no identity.

Useful useless idiots. What’s the fascination with them wanting names and addresses, for their lists no doubt to fill up the quarantine hotels.

384612 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 4, #1053 of 2049 🔗

And the typical twitter cunt comments. What the fuck is wrong with twitter users? “just give him your details, what’s the problem?” Is there some requirement that you have to be an utter braindead cunt to get a fucking twatoff account?

Sorry, everyone who died in the Glorious Revolution, apparently we don’t give a shit about the freedoms that you laid down your lives for.

384620 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1054 of 2049 🔗

Twitter is dominated by Maoist pod people who deny the right to privacy exists.

Better to avoid it entirely.

384660 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1055 of 2049 🔗

Can anyone explain to me how the police will actually check that he lives at the address provided unless they go round and speak to other occupants or neighbours?
There is no central register unlike in Germany where you have to register with your local authority and they issue you an id card.
I guess there are a few people who defy this in Germany, but would then not be able to access any state help.

384672 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Basics, #1056 of 2049 🔗

Disgraceful !

384548 Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 7, #1057 of 2049 🔗

https://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/macerata/cronaca/contagio-dopo-vaccino-1.5957366

Basic translation – Italy: there were no cases ever in this very well isolated retirement home. They took the vaccine 1st dose on Jan 13. Now 30+ positive to lateral flows.

384549 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1058 of 2049 🔗

AstraZeneca vaccine site in Belgium raided ‘at request of European Commission’
telegraph.co.uk

384557 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 11, #1059 of 2049 🔗

“What did you do during the ‘Vaxx wars’, Dad?”

“I kept my sleeves rolled down son.”

384587 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1060 of 2049 🔗

.

384941 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1061 of 2049 🔗

“I shoveled sh*t in Louisiana”
Er, wrong movie.

384564 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 2, #1062 of 2049 🔗

A crystal clear indicator this situation is all about politics and not public health, ffs.

384675 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Basics, #1063 of 2049 🔗

A bit of a dramatic headline. I think that all that has happened is that they have requested a factory inspection and progress meeting which is normal with an order of this type.

384550 Harry hopkins, 2, #1064 of 2049 🔗
384558 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1065 of 2049 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/28/modest-request-government-month-off

Could the Grauniad go any lower 🙁

Columnist calls for a month long bank holiday “when all this is over”. Apart from the essential workers, I assume.

384566 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1066 of 2049 🔗

Eh? Most people are desperate to get back to work.

384579 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1067 of 2049 🔗

would a guardian columnist actually notice . their days would not be any different

384669 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1068 of 2049 🔗

Reading the Guardian these days is like reading a puritanical religious newsletter.

Unfortunately it has to be done in order to stick to my “know they enemy” mantra.

384783 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, #1069 of 2049 🔗

Same here.

384560 Mark, 1, #1070 of 2049 🔗

Missed this one, so it might have been posted here before, but anyway I’ve for a long time been pointing out the longstanding intention on the left to remove the final restrictions on the reach of their pc speech-crime and thought-crime laws by removing the impediment created by the US First Amendment. Here’s totalitarian lefty US “comedienne” Sarah Silverman reported as openly pushing for this final step as part of exploiting the opportunities created by Trump derangement hysteria:

UK bill allowing for child spies is ‘really quite Orwellian’

384561 Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #1071 of 2049 🔗

Dictator Newsom Ends California Lockdown!?! What You Need To Know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzufBXVa-0&t=16s

AwakenWithJP

384563 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1072 of 2049 🔗

And for those of you with an open mind. How about:
‘the virus is a mental construct’ by Doctor Stefan Lanka.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-stefan-lanka-a-virus-is-a-mental-construct-a-invention-of-nwo-fake-science_asFforaNJRJr3Fz.html

384565 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1073 of 2049 🔗

I’ve known about Stefan Lanka for years – he really knows his stuff. I will watch.

384570 Edward, 3, #1074 of 2049 🔗

Four obituaries in the weekly email London Jazz News. I’ll give basic information without further comment.
Sonia Slany (violinist) died aged 56 after a “long illness”.
John Russell (guitarist) died aged 66 from cancer.
Malcolm Griffiths (trombonist) died aged 79, his health having deteriorated in recent years.
Keith Nichols (pianist) died aged 75. He was in hospital for a “long-delayed prostate operation” and caught Covid in hospital.

384572 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #1075 of 2049 🔗

Here’s the regional chart expressing the regional covid labelled hospital deaths compared to their April regional peak (rough allowance has been made for deaths that have occurred but not been reported so the falls should be genuine falls)

London levelling off, possibly falling. In the South East and East of England deaths appear to be falling possibly quite quickly.

There goes the super transmissible strain/variant theory?

Overall English hospital covid labelled deaths falling since about 19th January.

384574 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Freecumbria, #1076 of 2049 🔗

The y axis isn’t labelled…

384586 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to mattghg, #1077 of 2049 🔗

Deliberately done, because I don’t think you can absolutely compare the April wave with what is happening now because of misattribution of deaths in the autumn, but comparatively between regions you can compare.

South West (the highest currently) is currently 153% of April wave peak for what’s it’s worth.

384585 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, #1078 of 2049 🔗

The term ‘Covid labelled’ is the kicker give-away to the cliff of the lines.

384588 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, #1079 of 2049 🔗

Agree. But if you assume the mis-labelling is consistent between regions it is the region against region comparison that is interesting.

384576 mj, replying to mj, 6, #1080 of 2049 🔗

its been mentioned already so this video may also have been posted .. It is Swayne being interviewed on sky news by Boulton .
One expects an interview to ask challenging questions from a neutral perspective. It is obvious that Boulton has no jot of neutrality and is clearly having a go at Swayne because he is challenging the official (and Boultons) line.
And Boulton comes out as a true bell-end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xujMsdSSx6E

384582 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 5, #1081 of 2049 🔗

Swayne seems like a confident, level-headed bloke – hope he can take the vitriol which will only increase as the govt looks increasingly bad

384627 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Julian, 4, #1082 of 2049 🔗

Looks like he’s on the level ! Him & Charles Walker , 👍

384590 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mj, 4, #1083 of 2049 🔗

Bolton was up to his neck in creating hysterical fear in the population last march, I hope he is held to account for his criminal actions the future – as well as many others in the corrupt ‘free press’

384605 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mj, 2, #1084 of 2049 🔗

That’s actually a lot tamer than I’ve seen Boulton in the past. Before he has been very dismissive and downright rude to people. At least here Desmond Swayne has been allowed to speak uninterrupted.

I did like his response to the “better safe then sorry question”.

384619 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to mj, 1, #1085 of 2049 🔗

Aside from the general ‘compliance’ being directed to the MSM through the OFCOM rules, you also have to remember Boulton is married to Angie Hunter, big pal of Tony Blair – need I say more? It was a disgrace, much like his interview with Richard Tice the other week.

384628 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to mj, 8, #1086 of 2049 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne. The man is someone who always always makes a clear & concise argument regarding the lockdown & the consequences of lockdown. Which we all know on here.

I take my hat off to the man, I wish that there were more MP’s like him, who are not afraid to speak out against the damage that this is causing & has caused.

Also, Donald Gove is a slimy little rat bastard, so I hope Sir Desmond tells him to fuck off back under his stone.

#SirDesmondSwayneforPM 🤙🏻

384632 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to mj, 3, #1087 of 2049 🔗

I haven’t watched live news for a year but I do look at the bbc website to see what’s going on.

I didn’t like this interview. Boulton takes it as fact that Sweden did terribly, Heneghan has been ‘proved wrong’, that if we hadn’t locked down there would have been even more deaths.

None of this has been proved – its just opinion. I don’t share it.

And where’s the cost/benefit analysis? I fear we won’t get it until its all over (and that could be years) – lockdown has moved from being an extreme, uncosted experiment to mainstream medicine with barely any debate.

384640 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1088 of 2049 🔗

Where is the evidence lockdowns work? Is it just Neil Ferguson’s model?

384583 Turkowl, replying to Turkowl, 35, #1089 of 2049 🔗

I sent the following email to Talkradio:
“I wanted to describe a couple of experiences that my family have had during the lockdowns.
During the first lockdown we had to leave our small North Walian village to travel to south east England in order to attend to an elderly parent who had had a fall and was very distressed: all perfectly legal at the time.

Upon our return we discovered that our neighbour (someone we had sat around our dining room table with, sharing wine and exchanging life stories) had sent an email to us and had included as recipients, our local MP and local councillor, as well as friends and others within the village, which disclosed our visit. Our neighbour’s tone, after snitching on us, became more pernicious. His next email included the following;

In 1938 the Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws which detailed how in future Jews would be excluded from society. At a meeting soon after Goering told his friends how he had received thousands of letters from German citizens saying they agreed entirely with the new laws but there was a family who lived near them who were Jews but were also lovely people and could he make an exception.!!

This disturbing analogy was made as part of my neighbour’s endeavour to emphasise the importance of social obedience, even for the “lovely people” of the neighbourhood.

Unfortunately, the prevailing mood on our terrace took a turn for the worst recently during our present lockdown. Upon returning from a shopping trip we observed another neighbour taking pictures of my son’s car (my son had moved in with us just before Christmas- again perfectly legal). Later that same day, as I was passing this other neighbour’s house, he charged down his garden path, picked up a long piece of timber, and ran after me shouting aggressively and waving the length of wood. The police were called in and the individual in question was served an order.

The mood in our village is stiflingly fearful and restrictive, but something more is happening: individuals are scraping the barrel when it comes to social behaviour. I have noted the vitriol that has has been aimed towards those who question, or are sceptical about, the prevailing orthodox strategies and viewpoints with regard the pandemic, but thousands of UK citizens have, out of fear I imagine, plummeted to appalling lows in such actions as reporting on, and aggressively challenging, peaceful neighbours.”

384591 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Turkowl, 13, #1090 of 2049 🔗

That’s really awful for you but it seems the Government are unfortunately encouraging this despicable behaviour!

384618 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Janette, 2, #1091 of 2049 🔗

Its divide and conquer.

384592 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Turkowl, 7, #1092 of 2049 🔗

I can’t find the words, Turkowl, I truly don’t know what to say to such awfulness.

384598 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Turkowl, 2, #1093 of 2049 🔗

Your neighbour should disconnect his TV and listen only to music programs on the wireless. Read Roald Dahl and Sherlock Holmes.

384609 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1094 of 2049 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKHNqM4aCOY

The Leaves, 1965, ‘Too many people’

384599 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Turkowl, 6, #1095 of 2049 🔗

What a horrible man.Small Welsh communities often have this tendency towards censorious curtain-twitching. May derive ultimately from Calvinistic authoritarianism. Horrid Stalin Dungford’s regime has increased the nastiness a hundredfold.

384600 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Turkowl, 8, #1096 of 2049 🔗

Seems that quite a few people in society now including your neighbours have now lost the plot. Unfortunately when people are afraid they can be very selfish and also very irrational.

384934 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Suzyv, #1097 of 2049 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5V_JCO9IRg
I have linked to this before, but here it is again, with Vincent price in fine scene-chewing form as Matthew Hopkins:

384611 ▶▶ mj, replying to Turkowl, 7, #1098 of 2049 🔗

I am just catching up on the C4 programmes Auschwitz Untold which were broadcast recently. The is made up of interviews with survivors of the holocaust. What they say about how life changed from the 1920s onwards with the German psyops and accusations against the Jews is chillings. One interviewee tells that in the ghettos they made it a crime to keep a pet and the only reason was the further demoralising affect that had.
It is very interesting to see the comparisons and similarities with what this government is doing under the guise of lockdown.

384624 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mj, 4, #1099 of 2049 🔗

The focus is, quite naturally, on the Jews as the largest ethic group that suffered.

But the predations on dissent and ethnic identity were much wider than that – before the gas chambers were in operation. The proportion of Roma killed was, I think, the largest in percentage terms.

384642 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, #1100 of 2049 🔗

yes – i acknowledge that the “cleansing” included roma, slavs, communists, handicapped, criminals etc I saw a programme yesterday about how the nazis tortured a captured black american platoon before executing them . Those that suffered were from many backgrounds

384727 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to mj, #1101 of 2049 🔗

Is this why they’re suggesting vaccinating all cats and dogs against covid?

384657 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Turkowl, 5, #1102 of 2049 🔗

I find it incredible how people can turn into this in such a short period of time, they are the type that would have reported you to the stazi if this was East Germany, they are so easily manipulated, and brainwashed. I am very lucky that where I live just outside London, we do not have any of this, I see my neighbours having visitors and no one bats an eyelid.

384916 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Turkowl, #1103 of 2049 🔗

Frightening stuff and shows the effect of propoganda on people. But this shitshow has really bought out that many brits are parochial, and are easily influenced and scared.
I think it’s the constant psychological warfare and fear that the gov/media have unleashed and after nearly a year it’s made everyone less mentally stable regardless of which side you’re on. I cannot remember any glimmer of good news or hope and it really wears me down, and i’m sure the whole nation.

384594 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1104 of 2049 🔗

Time to close down all bio and chemical labs worldwide. Nuclear weapons as well. There are too many untrustworthy people in our world that profit from them. Any leak, accidental or otherwise, puts all our lives in peril.

384595 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1105 of 2049 🔗

Evil.

Too many evil people in the world.

384614 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, #1106 of 2049 🔗

No. But people are much more easily herded to the Dark Side than we might have guessed.

384617 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1107 of 2049 🔗

No more Robin Hood, Robbing Hoods.

384597 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 34, #1108 of 2049 🔗

Second post! Usual demoralising morning trying to get children working for another eight hours on the screens. I enjoy robust mental health but this is really taking a toll.

Needed to pick up prescription from pharmacy – they are really arsey so for once I stick my lanyard on, just not up for the aggro. Well spoken, professional pharmacist starts asking why wouldn’t you wear a visor etc. Conversation moves to asymptomatic transmission, PCR etc. I do well, literally pulling stats and arguments out of my arse (everyone here I imagine has spent the best part of a year refining their arguments) but it all ends with the killer blow of “not even with 100,000 dead?”. I just said No, not even then.

I’m as mad as a wet hen so then ditch the lanyard (not fucking wearing that ever again,) storm into M and S garage as I do everyday to get sweets etc. Two people unmasked.

One bloke, late 20’s? Actually and deliberately said hello and goodbye to me. This is the first time I have had random communication with someone else unmasked. This is a big fucking deal.

So yes, pharmacy bird ain’t changing her mind anytime soon – but she is obviously perturbed by the opposition – a year ago it wouldn’t even have occurred to her that any opposition existed. Plus the random comms at M and S.

We are making progress here, it’s fucking slow but it is progress I’m convinced.

384606 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Still Got It, 5, #1109 of 2049 🔗

I’d love to see you literally pulling stats out of your arse.

384621 ▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Annie, 6, #1110 of 2049 🔗

It hurt

384635 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Still Got It, 6, #1111 of 2049 🔗

but you’ll find the covid anal swab dead easy now, so always a bright side

384793 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 2, #1112 of 2049 🔗

Annie, I’d love to see you doing…..ah; sorry. Wrong site.

384608 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Still Got It, 10, #1113 of 2049 🔗

Good for you! I don’t know how you manage the kids on screens all day. One of the few perks of middle age is that I don’t have to deal with the school shit show. Kudos to all of you who are staying even remotely sane with small children at home.

384678 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1114 of 2049 🔗

We’re looking after our five year old grandson today until Monday, as ten minutes before he was due to go to school last Thursday, the school sent a message to say someone in his year had tested positive so the year was told to stay at home until next Monday. His mother, paranoid as usual, took him for a lateral flow test on Monday, which was negative of course.

We’ve been fine doing the work set, as the school is using google classroom, although he’d completed the four tasks within three quarters of an hour. At school, these would probably have taken most of the day, with distractions, interruptions, playtime, hand washing etc.

I was a teacher in my past life, but give me a class of sixteen year old lads any day instead of a morning of one to one teaching with my grandson (and I love him to bits!)

384700 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1115 of 2049 🔗

So on top of my daughter’s autoimmune conditions and the arm she broke two weeks ago last night I had a call from the GP to urgently go to A and E because she has fecking shingles and needed anti virals. At least we get a couple of days off from the home schooling purgatory.

384770 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Will, 1, #1116 of 2049 🔗

I’m so sorry Will. You’ve had quite a rough time with your daughter and my heart goes out to you. It’s pretty awful when a bout of shingles seems preferable to home schooling! I hope your little one feels better soon.

384610 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Still Got It, 13, #1117 of 2049 🔗

I really hope that you’re right.

But my overall perception is changed to a much greater understanding of 1930s Germany, and the conversion of genuinely ‘decent’ people to Nazi fellow-travelers. Civilisation is, indeed, a dangerously thin veneer when the sentimentality of the crap soap-box serial so easily replaces genuine sentiment an humanity.

384630 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GuyRich, 5, #1119 of 2049 🔗

His family revealed his funeral will take place on February 9 with limited attendees. They asked mourners to respect their privacy and let them grieve in peace during this difficult time.

That’s after his whole family have given their opinions to whatever MSM rag asked for them, of course.

384604 Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #1121 of 2049 🔗
384751 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #1122 of 2049 🔗

Hey everybody we are in “A VERY DARK WINTER”.

Watch this video. It’s all in the global psy-op script. Our politicians and scientist stooges are actors on the stage. Every single stinking one of them.

384607 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #1123 of 2049 🔗

An enormous important published article yesterday in New Eng J Med. Viral cultures and PCR tests in hospitalized C-19 patients.For the few virus deniers,yes it was cultured alos.But no viable virus over Ct29.No virus isolated after 11 days
 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2027040
Duration of Culturable SARS-CoV-2 in Hospitalized Patients with Covid-19
The median time from symptom onset to viral clearance in culture was 7 days (95% confidence interval [CI], 5 to 10), and the median time from symptom onset to viral clearance on real-time RT-PCR was 34 days (lower boundary of the 95% CI, 24 days) (Fig. S1 and Table S4). The latest positive viral culture was 12 days after symptom onset (in Patient 6). Viable virus was identified until 3 days after the resolution in fever (in Patient 14). Viral culture was positive only in samples with a cycle-threshold value of 28.4 or less. The incidence of culture positivity decreased with an increasing time from symptom onset and with an increasing cycle-threshold value (Table S3)

384616 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1124 of 2049 🔗

This should be done at tbe absolute minimum right now, everywhere. The sceptics need to be thrown a real bone otherwise this becomes nasty. The divisions are opening up very quickly and I am really worried it becomes violent.

384622 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1125 of 2049 🔗

Any chance of a layman’s interpretation of what this means for the less scientifically challenged amongst us?

384641 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1126 of 2049 🔗

To late, the covid19 divide is just an extension of the break up of the west with leftist dogma eating away at civilisation, the cracks in society are irreparable.

Its time to pick your side & wait for the call to go to battle, because the other side is not interested in debate or compromise, any further denial of this, is just self harm now.

Choice is surrender & be a slave or fight for your freedom.

(non violently of course).

384659 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, #1127 of 2049 🔗

Oh dear! Is the fever delusion Covid related? I always knew that Johnson, Macron and Merkel et al. were secret commies. Everything explained by a new theory of everything! 🙂

384736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1128 of 2049 🔗

You do seem obsessed with communism comrade.

384682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1129 of 2049 🔗

That is interesting, Swedenborg. Thanks for digging it out.

The scatter chart is confirmation that, even at Ct 28, the PCR may be far from firmly indicative of infectivity.

Of course :

“… our results should be verified in larger and more diverse groups of patients.”

But the evidence is far better than all the crap on asymptomatic transmission and 40+ Ct.

384613 BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1130 of 2049 🔗

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1201421?__twitter_impression=true

The process of chasing down the virus can only lead to family members being removed from your home to be taken to these quarantine hotels. It’s only a small step now they have the infrastructure. Maybe jab them while they are there too.

384615 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1131 of 2049 🔗

G’day commies.

I’m confused I thought it was bigotry to be anti-immigration, but now we’re told filthy foreigners must be held in forced solitary! What happened to love an immigrant?

In other news I see a nasty conspiracy theorist who refused to wear a mask died at home from the wuh-flu! But I thought masks only prevented transmission to others, so what went wrong! Maybe the DM comments section needs some balance.

I see sir Des is the latest cancel cult victim, what naughty capitalist libertarian foil hate wearer suggesting anti-vaxxers should be free to spread their fake news . & he gets a severe pounding by the comrades of U.S.U of GB.

384623 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1132 of 2049 🔗

Hmm… I’m no vexillologist but I think your flag needs more commie.

384653 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1133 of 2049 🔗

Was first commie flag duck duck gave me i dunno about such things.
it caught my eye with half jack on left, left lol thought it was app.

384633 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, -2, #1134 of 2049 🔗

G’day commies”

Heil! 🙂

One absurdity deserves another.

384626 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 25, #1135 of 2049 🔗

My employer has introduced daily testing in order to enter their premises. Suffice to say I will never be setting foot there again.

I was not planning to drink tonight, but now I will be.

384629 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Richard O, 6, #1136 of 2049 🔗

I hope they have done their calculations how much that will cost them and if it is worth it.

384634 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 9, #1137 of 2049 🔗

Well if they are using PCR it is going to cost them at least £100-£200 per test kit, and at any given time at least 30% of the workforce is going to be self-isolating due to asymptomatic false positives. Good luck with that.

384701 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 2, #1138 of 2049 🔗

Can’t you just swap nothing and stick the test thing back in the thing and stick it up their jacksies.

384666 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Richard O, 4, #1139 of 2049 🔗

If testing is not necessary or proportionate because the employer’s health and safety obligations can be met through other means, employers would be well advised not to take disciplinary action against employees who refuse. Taking such action could expose the business to the risk of constructive unfair dismissal claims if the employee resigns, or unfair dismissal claims if the employee is dismissed. Put simply, if there are valid and legitimate reasons why an employee refuses, taking disciplinary action could be a risky strategy.

https://www.stevens-bolton.com/site/insights/articles/can-employers-demand-staff-take-a-covid19-test

384670 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richard O, 3, #1140 of 2049 🔗

It should be voluntary unless they consulted with all employees (very lengthy process) to change contract terms to mandate testing

384681 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 3, #1141 of 2049 🔗

Enforced self-isolation due to a negative test result is being treated as sick leave, which means that if an employee cannot work from home they will be on Statutory Sick Pay in no time at all. Fucking scandalous.

384691 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 4, #1142 of 2049 🔗

I don’t think they ultimately have a leg to stand on. But I feel for you having to deal with this sort of fascist crap.

384699 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 2, #1143 of 2049 🔗

I’m sure they haven’t a legal leg to stand on. You do have human rights and they should not discriminate against you.

384820 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Richard O, 2, #1144 of 2049 🔗

I know a young woman whose work is entirely hands on. No possibility of working from home. About 2 weeks ago they introduced daily testing. She’s already had one false positive, checked with a second test which came back negative. Doubtless that was recorded as a “case” somewhere. She loves her job and it’s a great opportunity.
I do suspect that organisations who enforce this daily testing will soon discover they can’t afford it. The costs of the tests are high enough but absenteeism due to false positives will be prohibitive.

384637 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 31, #1145 of 2049 🔗

Swayne tells Gove he will not apologise.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9194989/Tory-MP-Swayne-accused-spreading-dangerous-misinformation-Covid.html

Judging by the comments section, it seems that Sir Desmond has some considerable support.

384674 ▶▶ alw, replying to Richy_m_99, 15, #1146 of 2049 🔗

Sir Desmond is a bigger man than all of them together.

384695 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 11, #1147 of 2049 🔗

I’ve just written him an email saying he has a lot of support and not to be cowed by the bullies.

384759 ▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1148 of 2049 🔗

Same here

384829 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidDLM, replying to EllGee, 2, #1149 of 2049 🔗

Me too.

384991 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to alw, 1, #1150 of 2049 🔗

Gove is a snake.

384639 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #1151 of 2049 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne – there really is a smear campaign against the poor man when Hope Not Hate get involved…
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2021/01/28/anti-lockdown-tory-mp-appeared-on-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-show/

384648 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1152 of 2049 🔗

I am fearful they will back him into a corner.

384651 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nickbowes, 10, #1153 of 2049 🔗

Hate not hope should be designated a domestic terrorist.

How do we organise to support sir Des if we don’t do twitter or fb?

384665 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1154 of 2049 🔗

Anywhere that won’t ban or cancel you.

384656 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 8, #1155 of 2049 🔗

Ah yes when all else fails play the Nazi/far-right card

384664 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, 2, #1156 of 2049 🔗

Far out.

384667 ▶▶ alw, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1157 of 2049 🔗

A really nasty organisation.

384671 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 5, #1158 of 2049 🔗

On a par with Antifa! The governments attack dogs.

384685 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1159 of 2049 🔗

Hate Not Hope strikes again.

384697 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1160 of 2049 🔗

They should change their name to hate not hope. This organisation is really really nasty.

384710 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1161 of 2049 🔗

No surprise – look who is signed up here:

https://www.buildbackbetter.org.uk/

384733 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to leggy, 2, #1162 of 2049 🔗

This presents a dilema I really want to give you a thumbs up but it could be taken out of context.

384929 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Anti_socialist, #1163 of 2049 🔗

Made me smile.

384647 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1164 of 2049 🔗

907 new deaths* in English hospitals reported today. That means another nice juicy circa 1,500 deaths* will be reported in the daily propaganda numbers for the MSM to salivate over.

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/COVID-19-daily-announced-deaths-28-January-2021.xlsx

*Usual caveats apply.

384686 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1165 of 2049 🔗

Yes, they just LOVE mass death. In fact, it’s a death cult.
Sceptics seem to be the only people who love life.

384715 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1166 of 2049 🔗

And I was wrong. They’ve announced only 1,239; down 400+ on the last 2 days.

Is there a press conference today? Nope!

384842 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ceriain, #1167 of 2049 🔗

Tuesday & Wednesday figures include more from the week-end catch-up.

384722 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, #1168 of 2049 🔗

NDR news website (North German tv station) reported “died from -within 24 hrs”.
Unless I write to their general comment there is nowhere to complain. Funnily enough further down on the site they got it right!

384650 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #1169 of 2049 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-on-coronavirus-16-march-2020
Prime Minister’s statement on coronavirus (COVID-19): 16 March 2020

Lastly, it remains true as we have said in the last few weeks that risks of transmission of the disease at mass gatherings such as sporting events are relatively low.

384662 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, 2, #1170 of 2049 🔗

That statement was made just before a phone call from Mr. Big:

https://rockyandbullwinkle.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Big

384668 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 7, #1171 of 2049 🔗

To remind everyone it was also in March 2020 that this government downgraded the virus’s infection risk.

384655 bebophaircut, 4, #1172 of 2049 🔗

Thoroughly Modelling Millie.

384683 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 15, #1174 of 2049 🔗

Putin giving the WEF both barrels:

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1354544120719683593

Russian President Putin: Big Tech monopoly giants compete with nations. They serve or restrict the natural human right to decide how to live, what to chose, which position to express freely.

384694 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nick Rose, -3, #1175 of 2049 🔗

Unfortunately, Putin and his alternative totalitarian mafia on your side isn’t a great asset.

384702 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 7, #1176 of 2049 🔗

Of course it is. Liberty has always survived in the cracks between the world powers.

Best make the most of it for as long as we can before the world elite is fully unified.

384749 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to RickH, 4, #1177 of 2049 🔗

In a way I agree with you … but he has a point, to put it mildly!

384758 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, 9, #1178 of 2049 🔗

I’d rather trust Putin than Boris

384764 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 7, #1179 of 2049 🔗

No it isn’t. But your enemy’s enemy is your friend. We’ve got nasties against us, we need nasties with us.

384897 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 1, #1180 of 2049 🔗

Russia has more freedoms than the U.K.
Also Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union were our allies in 2 World wars.You take help from whichever direction in a war.

384725 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1181 of 2049 🔗

According to Daniel Estulin , Putin was once a MI6 asset till he learned they wanted him dead ( can’t think of the reason given right now ) since then Putin has been deemed as gone rogue by western intelligence agencies , hence the constant demonization of Russia the last 10 years .

384746 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #1182 of 2049 🔗

If you’d said to me 12 months ago that by now I’d be nodding along with Putin as he holds forth on “human rights” and “democratic processes”, I’d have laughed you out of town. My whole world view has been upended in that time.

384768 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mattghg, 1, #1183 of 2049 🔗

Same here.

384687 bebophaircut, #1184 of 2049 🔗

Dan Hicks & his Hot Licks, 1989:
Where’s the Money?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UBPUEXQj9c

384693 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1185 of 2049 🔗

Fauci believes we need to wear more masks for them to be properly effective…

384717 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1186 of 2049 🔗

This one always cracks me up…

384698 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #1187 of 2049 🔗

Cambridge Union debate tonight 8pm. “This House Believes Lockdown was a Mistake”. I’ll be at sword training so I’ll have to watch the vod afterwards.

The Lockdown Debate is tonight at 8pm!
@TiceRichard, @SirGrahamBrady and @toadmeister will argue proposition while @LaylaMoran @lfspinney and @pwhitakerwriter will oppose.

Livestream here from 8pm:

https://youtu.be/C8fBJ_03-E4

384875 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Mark, 1, #1188 of 2049 🔗

thanks for posting – should be interesting!

384703 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1189 of 2049 🔗

New stuff from Fuellmich, including Tamir Tugal.
Begins with a disturbing analysis from Dolores Cahill:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/professor-of-molecular-genetics-issues-chilling-warning-on-covid-mrna-vaccines/

384786 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, #1190 of 2049 🔗

Thanks – I had no idea Prof Cahill spoke German!

384704 Will, replying to Will, 12, #1191 of 2049 🔗

It is so reassuring to be on the opposite side of an argument to Ferguson, Morgan and Monbiot. Doubtless Chwis Packham is a lockdown zealot so that is a full house.

384709 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Will, 11, #1192 of 2049 🔗

Used love watching spring watch with my nature loving son but since I have learned what a globalist cock Chris Packham is I can’t watch the programme anymore .

384723 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Christopher, 8, #1193 of 2049 🔗

Good afternoon Christopher

Did you ever catch his programme on global population by chance? I think it may have been early last year. Pretty clear that he didn’t think much of people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dl6q

Showing my 80’s upbringing here, but give me Terry Nutkins any day.

Best regards

Simon

384738 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to SimonCook, 9, #1194 of 2049 🔗

Haven’t seen it but his hatred of humanity is really on show when you look at him from a different angle . Terry Nutkins gave a far gentler appreciation of nature , as did David Bellamy who interestingly didn’t buy into the Global warming rubbish , hence why he was de-personed by the BBC.

384893 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Christopher, 1, #1195 of 2049 🔗

I met David quite a few times when he would visit his equally charming and fascinating brother Gervais in Somerset. An absolute gentleman.

384953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Will, #1196 of 2049 🔗

Nation treasure gets over used but David Bellamy was definitely one .

384705 alw, replying to alw, 12, #1197 of 2049 🔗

From lunchtime Spectator.

  • Germany’s vaccine committee has recommended that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine only be administered to under-65s because there is ‘currently insufficient data’ on its effectiveness for older people. Why am I not surprised as the vaccine was only tested on healthy under 50s .
  • International travel without a legitimate reason will soon be illegal, the Home Secretary has said . Priti Patel said there would be an increased police presence at airports and criticised ‘influencers’ holidaying in Dubai or the Alps. Don’t think a law can be made about this. When is the holiday legitimate or not? How would you describe legitimate? Difficult to describe what is local and this is no different.
384737 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to alw, 10, #1198 of 2049 🔗

now if you said ‘dont give vaccines to over 65 year olds because there’s insufficient data’ you would be labelled an anti-vaxxer

but if the german vaccine committee says it then its ok

384813 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 1, #1199 of 2049 🔗

The UK response is that it’s safe because we’ve now tested it on millions…

Standard practice lol.

384819 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1200 of 2049 🔗

And none of those that died from it have so far complained.

384908 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, #1201 of 2049 🔗

Does that mean that the entitled bunch who are coming to Cornwall shortly will be expected to cancel all their travel plans?

(Anyway, aren’t many hotels full of ”visitors” from Calais?)

384707 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 42, #1202 of 2049 🔗

Yesterday, I spoke to a 70-year-old man who has just recovered from Covid-19. He felt pretty rough for five days, suffering from a fever, wheezy chest and headaches. The worst of it, though, was an expectation that he would suddenly take a turn for the worse and suffocate to death. This fear was brought on after watching the daily death porn spewed out by the BBC. So, in other words, the psychological trauma this man suffered was worse than his physical symptoms. Clive Myrie would do well to think about that before he makes his next sententious report from a hospital ward.

384728 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to JamesM, 8, #1203 of 2049 🔗

Add a panic attack to the above symptoms and it is going to make those symptoms an all lot worse!

Good to hear he is making a good recovery!

384731 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JamesM, 14, #1204 of 2049 🔗

I don’t watch the BBC. My cousin does – and she is terrified. She can’t wait to take the vaccine because she’s ”seen all those poor souls in the hospitals….” and obviously thinks that everyone who contracts the virus ends up like this. I’m sure there are many like her. I tried to tell her not to be worried – but she is now completely convinced that there are hundreds of thousands suffering horribly unto death.

384791 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JamesM, 4, #1205 of 2049 🔗

Since getting back to London I have encountered two people who said they had it. It was rough, like a bad flu, but they recovered.

384800 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Waldorf, #1206 of 2049 🔗

So, it could have been a bad flu?

But it ‘was covid’ because they had a positive PCR right?

384845 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to rockoman, #1207 of 2049 🔗

I was going to make same comment. How does anyone know they have had covid19?

384874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to peyrole, #1208 of 2049 🔗

They said it was Covid. I didn’t ask if they had the test. The symptoms they described sounded like flu, that regular visitor who seems to have been pushed off the face of the earth.

384883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to peyrole, #1209 of 2049 🔗

Positive test doesn’t prove you have covid !

384808 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JamesM, 6, #1210 of 2049 🔗

I had a really bad cough around Feb/Mar 2020. At the time the thought did cross my mind that I might die so I spent a night sleeping on my front having watched a Youtube video that suggested it.

The next day I stopped thinking about it as I realised I was being irrational but I can see just how easily people can be affected by the constant fearmongering.

Can’t imagine what a further 9 months of fear has done to people who are more susceptible to the messaging.

384708 eastender53, 17, #1211 of 2049 🔗

Anyone answer this?

Is the deployment of the British Army (77th Brigade) against the population of the UK within the territorial limits of the said UK legal without specific Parliamentary consent and/or a State of Emergency declaration?

384711 Basics, 5, #1212 of 2049 🔗

Green homes grant: UK standards body calls on government to pay up
Failure to pay for work on green scheme is leading to debt and job losses, say businesses

Guardian.

What is interesting here is this is the FlagShip Bring and Buy Build back Better policy into a whole new Greta Better world. This is the globalish agenda touching each home in Britain directly. How seriously are they themselves taking the greta is better schwab model?

Job losses etc is clearly horrific for anyone involved – but par for the course when engaging with British governments big or small, 120 days to pay clauses in council contract small print is standard.

384714 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1214 of 2049 🔗

“The Malignant Evolution of Mask Mandates.”

Pretty much every relevant quote before and then after!

https://www.brighteon.com/5532305f-4b9d-4cd1-b455-29710cbf29bf

384748 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1215 of 2049 🔗

“The Malignant Madness of Mask Mandates”…….y’all been reading your J.P. Donleavy of late? If not, I recommend “The Unexpurgated Code” as a starting point.

384780 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1216 of 2049 🔗

I’ll take a look!

384785 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Kevin 2, #1217 of 2049 🔗

Do that!…..I’m sitting here grinning just thinking about it.

384718 Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 12, #1218 of 2049 🔗

Just heard an obviously-fake call-in to Talk Radio just ahead of the four o’clock news, by someone purporting to be a cardboard-cutout “conspiracy theorist”.
Firstly: ‘phone call allegedly from Stoke-on-Trent; caller did not have a Stoke accent- which is very difficult to fake.
Secondly: the whole dynamic of the “conversation”- loony allowed to adumbrate his nonsense with no interruption- was just, you know, phoney.
Talk Radio- lost.

385337 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1219 of 2049 🔗

let me guess, was he talking about 5g causing covid? Was he saying there is no virus its a fake, was he saying nobody was dying and that all the footage of ICU’s was fake?
Got a link to it?

384719 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #1220 of 2049 🔗

peak deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

within a few days of peak infections

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

which very much makes it look that a lot of the deaths are

i) with covid and not of

ii) false positives due to contamination

384734 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 8, #1221 of 2049 🔗

Something’s definitely up; we’re not seeing the kind of infection -> hospitalization -> death lag that the clinical data suggests we ought to.

384741 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 4, #1222 of 2049 🔗

yes, when they all go up and down together it looks like casedemic – which I’m sure it is ‘to some extent’ – just not sure how much

384804 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #1223 of 2049 🔗

Suppose we accept for argument’s sake that everyone with a PCR+ test result is an “infection”, and everyone in hospital with a PCR+ test result is a “case”. I wonder what the inferred “infection” and “case” fatality ratios would look like, week by week. If they move around erratically then we might be able to figure out where and how the data are becoming particularly unreliable.

384839 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #1224 of 2049 🔗

I’m not sure you have made an appropriate comparison. The cumulative ‘active’ cases recorded by ZOE will continue to increase AFTER the daily new infected peak – providing new cases exceeds the number who are recovering.

384720 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 31, #1225 of 2049 🔗

I don’t get further than the headline before I come to the comments.
I need to know people feel as I do before I can face reading more about this sodding pantomime.

384747 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, 6, #1226 of 2049 🔗

Not alone there, B. I also like to head down first. 😉

384724 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 8, #1227 of 2049 🔗

From the Spectator’s COVID email this afternoon:

On Wednesday, the number of people with Covid-19 in English hospitals fell from 32,337 to 30,846 – a drop of 1,491, higher than any fall since the beginning of the epidemic. There are now 10 per cent fewer people with Covid-19 in English hospitals than there were at the peak on 18 January.

384744 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1228 of 2049 🔗

All hail Lockdown!

384729 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1229 of 2049 🔗

771,710 tests yesterday! An increase of almost 200,000 on the previous day.

NO.FUCKING.WAY!

384755 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1230 of 2049 🔗

Tractor production is up as well.

385014 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1231 of 2049 🔗

But the tractor news is not as good as it sounds. All their engines have sadlidied due to being built to run on bio-diesel and thus having a life of about 3 days.

384775 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1232 of 2049 🔗

Found at the bottom of an Excel 2003 spreadsheet again?

384796 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1233 of 2049 🔗

It’s simply not physically or logistically possible. Figures like this alone make you realise how far away we are now from any proper measurement of anything.

384730 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 15, #1234 of 2049 🔗

There are significant excess deaths at the moment, however

1) about 500 thousand people have moved into their last year of life
2) the government has terrorised the population for a year
3) people have been locked inside and will be lacking in vitamin D
4) the government has created a massive cohort of extra vulnerable by missing out thousands of cancer appointments
5) people with chest pains are too scared to go to hospital
6) the NHS has been stuffing care homes with covid patients

I imagine the excess deaths are a function of 1-6 above + covid

It would take some research to find out the exact balance

384756 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #1235 of 2049 🔗

There is no quantitative beast called ‘excess deaths’ – it’s a moveable feast constructed to a narrative

384921 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to steve_w, 1, #1236 of 2049 🔗

Oh and 7m people – for the most part vulnerable and elderly – have been injected with an experimental vaccine that may kill 1 in 1000 of them. That might have added to recent totals.

384732 Alan P, replying to Alan P, 20, #1237 of 2049 🔗

Story today in MSM of man who never wore a mask dying of the old Covid.

How many people have ‘sadly died’ with Covid who were assiduous mask wearers?

Any offers?

384740 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Alan P, 7, #1238 of 2049 🔗

indeed! Saw a comment below that he did not wear a mask due to his asthma

384745 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 23, #1239 of 2049 🔗

The implication in the article was that he carried an inhaler in case challenged but was not asthmatic.The whole thing was appalling. No evidence that covid had anything to do with his death – could well have been suicide. Awful attempt to smear someone who has lost their life, for whatever reason.

384761 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1240 of 2049 🔗

Indeed a smear job – so sad!!!

384765 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Victoria, 7, #1241 of 2049 🔗

But it’s funny that we never hear about people who’ve died that have been avid ‘maskees’?

why is that do you think? (Rhetorical question methinks!).

384787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Alan P, 2, #1242 of 2049 🔗

Greeks have been wearing masks for months – they still had an autumn uptick in cases and deaths. They have also had a lockdown since November although the roads looked almost normal, in Athens at least.

384876 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Alan P, 2, #1243 of 2049 🔗

Saw an article a few weeks ago that 85% of people in hospital with Covid were assiduous mask wearers.

384735 Nobody2021, 16, #1244 of 2049 🔗

Saw this on Twitter, 2 birds 1 stone and all that. How effiicient.

384739 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 27, #1245 of 2049 🔗

He should NOT be referred to in the cringeworthy, matey terminology as “Boris”.

He should be referred to, in fact, as one of the following:

“The fat alcoholic pervert”.
“The pig dictator”.
“De Piffle”.
“Yeltsin”.
“The walking pile of shit”.
“Washington’s No. 1 Man in Europe”.

384742 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Matt The Cat, 11, #1246 of 2049 🔗

“The worst leader since Caligula” is my current favourite. I was using “the worst PM since before Walpole” but I think that’s too complimentary.

384772 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 3, #1247 of 2049 🔗

Possibly- possibly – the worst Prime Minister since Lord North.

384817 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 2, #1248 of 2049 🔗

caligula had some redeeming features

384888 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to mj, #1249 of 2049 🔗

Like getting bumped off?

There is a theory that Caligula lost the plot after illness – perhaps that’s an encouraging parallel.

384926 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mj, 1, #1250 of 2049 🔗

He was good to his horse, and had a sense of humour.

384763 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Matt The Cat, 7, #1251 of 2049 🔗

In his 2007 piece he wrote on ‘overpopulation’. Johnson described looking down from a plane on to the various signs of human activity in a city below, and compared it to ‘bacilli in a petri-dish’.

“you have a horrifying vision of habitations multiplying and replicating like bacilli in a Petri dish.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643551/Global-over-population-is-the-real-issue.html

Also cited here if you can’t get around the DT paywall.

http://www.eyemead.com/overpop.htm

384871 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to rockoman, #1252 of 2049 🔗

Apparently in BJ,s book on Churchill, Bojo was way too interested in how the German populace was subdued 🤷‍♂️

384789 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #1253 of 2049 🔗

The Pig Lord.

384901 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Matt The Cat, 1, #1254 of 2049 🔗

I call him Doris. Sorry to all Doris’s out there.

384743 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #1255 of 2049 🔗

I bet the Soviets are feeling pretty silly now. Millions dead fighting for freedom against the Nazis. Nobody told them freedom isn’t worth anything – staying alive at all costs is the only thing that matters.

384779 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 3, #1256 of 2049 🔗

To a large extent they were fighting to stay alive. For example huge numbers of the POWs the Germans took in 1941 were left to starve to death. In the winter of 1941-2 large numbers of civilians were driven out of their homes so the Germans could occupy them, and being without shelter in the Russian winter is a virtual death sentence.

384754 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 5, #1257 of 2049 🔗

Sorry if this has been shared already, but it’s rather remarkable that this is on the BBC website. I’ve forwarded it to my mum (77) who is booked in for her AZ vaccine next week.

Coronavirus: Germany set to limit AstraZeneca jab to under-65s
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55839885

384760 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Quernus, 2, #1258 of 2049 🔗

presumably they don’t think its 100% safe and this is a trade-off

if they thought it was 100% safe then they’d give it anyway ‘just in case’

384769 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to steve_w, 5, #1259 of 2049 🔗

There are dishing out Pfizer like sweets, never mind all the reports of suddenly testing positive, side effects and deaths.

The German media reports it is due to the lack of assurance it is more effective than 30%

384773 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Quernus, 13, #1260 of 2049 🔗

OR because of the Fuellmich lawsuits……

V. Lawsuit To Declare Void Vaccine Approval; Constitutional Complaint By A German Judge Against The Measures Of A Federal Government Which Has Practically Been Kidnapped By The Davos Clique – Measures Which Are Destroying Democracy And The Rule Of Law

  1. Parallel to all these efforts, the Italian lawyer Dr. Renate Holzeisen is working with us and experts on a lawsuit against the EU Commission to have its approval of vaccines declared null & void – vaccines which are de facto untested and highly dangerous – in the case of the manufacturers BioNtech/Pfizer and Moderna, these are prohibited genetic experiments on humans . Meanwhile, the superbly versed and hard-hitting anti-Mafia public prosecutors are investigating the WHO and its Italian backers. In France work is progressing on a complaint to the Court for Human Rights.
  2. A German judge (who we are in contact with) has submitted a constitutional complaint against the blanket measures of the Federal Government, these measures undermining democracy and the rule of law ; the hope here is that – notwithstanding all concrete appearances – the head of the Constitutional Court has retained his independence. We have published these constitutional complaints on our news website and they can be submitted by anyone.

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/latest-lockdown-lawsuits-update-by-top-international-lawyer-reiner-fuellmich/

384788 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 2, #1261 of 2049 🔗

good info ta.

384879 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Victoria, #1262 of 2049 🔗

Regarding the worrying increase in deaths among the elderly in care homes since the December vaccine programme.
We need to take the correct action and write to our MPs or local councillors alerting them to this issue. It is the least we can do to raise awareness among those in authority that these vaccines may not be safe for the elderly.
Point out that Germany no longer gives these vaccines to the over 65 age group.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55839885
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55814922

384896 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Quernus, 3, #1263 of 2049 🔗

I think it’s because the EU has totally messed up vaccine ordering. Mutti Merkel had an agreement almost in place then handed it over to Brussels to administer. They dithered and the vaccine programme has fallen behind schedule. The Germans are looking for someone to blame other than the EU. AZ vaccine already ordered by the UK is a good target.

384920 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1264 of 2049 🔗

If anybody has ever been on holiday, or anywhere, with a group of friends they’ll know how tricky it can be to get a concensus of what to do or where to eat.

Imagine what it’s like when 20+ countries get together for an EU outing.

384757 Julian, 12, #1265 of 2049 🔗

From Dolan/KBF:

I am calling on small business owners to support a campaign to write off the Covid-19 business loans and give our nation a chance to move forward from this pandemic. You can find more information here:

https://www.coviddebtwriteoff.com/

384762 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 44, #1266 of 2049 🔗
384797 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1267 of 2049 🔗

Good one.

384767 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #1268 of 2049 🔗

Scottish Herald
“NICOLA Sturgeon has said she will publish vaccine supply figures despite the UK Government previously asking for them to be kept secret.

“The First Minister signalled the figures will be published from next week “regardless of what they say” in a bid to increase transparency. ”

This is a reversal of her position when Scottish Government incompetence was apologised for when such data was published – probably because tge Scottish Government did not know what the information meant or it’s relevancy.

Sturgeon is claiming transparency, however there is a huge amount of murk created by her own actions and the cabal arround her that the claim rings hollow.

Sturgeon is now operating wrecklessly with diversionary tactics to prevent her activities surrounding the salmond situation from reaching the public.
Where has a scripted rant about transphobia last night while she claimed in the rant it wasn’t scripted – see her read it on twitter. Then a freeze on council tax today and income tax is being cut. Now we have a vaccine transparency story.

Not to mention boris in Scotland being reported to the police.

They tempo of all this is a corruption hat is eating itself. Lies always cause more lies and deception.

For anyone interested on the day when the EU raided AZ in brussels and Boris visited Scotland the Scottish Parliament was still flying the EU flag. Sturgeons attachment to the EU will be used against the interests of Great Britain. She is desperate in her legacy of corruption.

384776 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 5, #1269 of 2049 🔗

This can only end in tears

384781 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basics, 7, #1270 of 2049 🔗

Some say Nic Sturg-un is in trouble & may not last much longer, Johnson should get mi5 (about time they did something useful) on to her to give her a shove, over the Salmond thing, i reckon SNP would collapse ‘hooray’ if she was gone.

384946 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, #1271 of 2049 🔗
385535 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, #1272 of 2049 🔗

Hmm nah that’s only useful if gets rid of chairman sturg-un.

384771 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #1273 of 2049 🔗

We need to organise somehow, now the media have turned the spotlight on us freedom loving folk, it should be seen as an opportunity not an attack to recoil from.

Obviously protests are out, unless! Some one a few days or weeks ago (its a solitary confinement blur) spoke of the 2000/1 fuel protests.

Couldn’t we use that model? Would be covid legal, distancing kept between cars, 1 per car so protest would be legally less than 2, don’t need a mask, if the fuzz ask why your out say i’m stuck in a traffic jam LOL.

We need to take our chance now we’re getting flak & drop the freedom (metaphorical) bomb!

But I refuse to use social media twitter etc.

384815 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1274 of 2049 🔗

You could join your local Great Reopening group on Telegram. It’s not social media as such – they have ‘action channels’ which are kept clear for organising, and local channels where people can swap messages such as we are doing now.

384777 PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 6, #1275 of 2049 🔗

I keep an eye on the NHS England mortality data from time to time. They’ve just issued the latest data up to 4pm 20th January 2021, which is a rolling total starting 21st May 2020. Note that it doesn’t include deaths in nurses homes or deaths at home.

I think it’s fair to assume that if you’re someone who has no known pre-existing condition and you contract C-19 and succumb to it, you’re very likely to have gone to hospital to seek treatment. It’s not something that you’d try to ‘tough out’ at home is it.

Here’s the figures – that’s not a lot of under 60’s is it? It’s not a big number for all the ages combined!

384790 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PeeDubbya, 5, #1276 of 2049 🔗

Let me extend that out for you, PD. Check it out when you look at the percentages of those with pre-existing conditions.

384811 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1277 of 2049 🔗

Agreed. And when you look at the pre-existing conditions on Tab 4, you can’t help but think that in a lot of cases, the influence of the covid 19 infection was only to expedite the inevitable.
Personally speaking, if Id been suffering with chronic heart disease for a length of time I’d be rather cross if my death was attributed to an infection that I’d caught in the final days- especially as it might have been a false positive in the first place

384918 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #1278 of 2049 🔗

There is a video on some social media site (I don’t know – I was only shown it by a rellie) where an Irish doctor called MacNamarra (don’t know spelling) questions a committee on whether hospital deaths are attributed to ‘covid’ even if they are obviously NOT ‘covid’ admissions.

The answer? ”Yes”.

Anyone know the link?

385036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Banjones, #1279 of 2049 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZolPvWW8oo

TD Michael McNamara questions Dr. John Cuddihy of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre about the current system of recording COVID cases and deaths in Ireland.

384863 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1280 of 2049 🔗

And since 27th August the totals are as follows

So if you are English and say in the age 40-59 age category and have no pre-existing conditions, do you think you should be told that only 193 people in that category of around 7 million (?) people have died since then with the death labelled as covid, before being offered an experimental vaccine? And would failure to provide that sort of information be medical negligence?

384922 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1281 of 2049 🔗

”… do you think you should be told?….”
Frankly, I’d be glad to be told ANYTHING officially. I’m expected to giver ”informed consent” to be jabbed. And I have heard nothing whatsoever from my own GP surgery. As I don’t listen or watch MSM or social media, how am I expected to give ”informed consent”?
I shall refuse, of course, until I receive such ”information”.

384794 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to PeeDubbya, #1282 of 2049 🔗

What makes you say it’s a rolling total starting 21st May 2020?

For example would a covid+ hospital death of someone aged 30 without a pre-exising condition on 8th April not form part of that 58 figure?

Or do you mean they started provided the weekly summary on 21st May 2020 which then included all covid deaths before 21st May also?

384801 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1283 of 2049 🔗

The later FC, they started providing the weekly summaries on 21st May but included the covid deaths up to that date as well

384976 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #1284 of 2049 🔗

Added to which, obesity is not generally recorded as pre existing condition:

‘In this analysis, pre-existing conditions were defined by a hospital admission in the previous five years, mentioning one of the clinical conditions of interest in the clinical record. It is recognised this will not identify all pre-existing conditions that may affect outcome from COVID-19 such as those that are only seen in primary care. In addition, some known risk factors, such as obesity, are not always recorded on admission to hospital if not related to the reason for admission.’

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/942091/Summary_report_ethnicity_and_comorbidity.pdf

384993 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #1285 of 2049 🔗

Added to this are the people who have died in care homes – almost all elderly – currently about 18% of fatalities – home fatalities are about 5% with 2% dying elsewhere

The number of healthy under 60 year old deaths is very small

384784 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 13, #1286 of 2049 🔗

From Tom Woods South Dakota has no restrictions so the rise & fall in cases cannot be down to NPI’s.

384836 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #1287 of 2049 🔗

Counterfactual to the “lockdowns work” belief system, therefore will be ignored.

384914 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #1288 of 2049 🔗

We already knew from Sweden after the first wave that tighter restrictions weren’t necessary for the virus to recede.

All evidence subsequently from other countries and states confirms this. There is no unfettered exponential growth.

In electronics terms, NOT lockdown also works.

385064 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to frankfrankly, #1289 of 2049 🔗

Tom Woods has done some great stuff, I really like him.

DavidC

384798 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #1290 of 2049 🔗

Maybe he has seen the Hope Not Hate smear.

@DesmondSwayne
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1h

I have never expressed an anti-Semitic Sentiment and if I’d ever given comfort to anti-semites I’d be mortified.
I do wonder what I’m going to be accused of next

384806 ▶▶ mj, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1291 of 2049 🔗

this was because he appeared on a blog on which someone else with apparent anti semitic views also appeared – separately at a different time.
guilt by alleged association. as if other politicians do not appear with some dodgy people … Islamic fundamentalists, IRA, anti semites …

385061 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to mj, 1, #1292 of 2049 🔗

I’ve tried to engage with lockdown zealots to try to understand their viewpoints – the ones I’ve talked to have refused to send me links (‘It’s all on the BBC web site’ – seriously). My talking with them doesn’t mean I’m a lockdown zealot, it just means I’m open minded enough to listen to what they have to say – I don’t have to agree with it.

DavidC

384822 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1293 of 2049 🔗

The Des has my empathy & support, however this could get interesting you cant cancel an elected MP on any platform! Would open a big bag of worms if twitter block him, could be what we need.

384924 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1294 of 2049 🔗

Would open a big bag of worms if twitter block him

If Twitter can block a POTUS, it won’t hesitate to block a UKMP. It’s a private online network there to maximise profit, it doesn’t guarantee free speech – users are there on sufferance.
The second most puzzling aspect of this is why people are then so outraged when Twitter reminds them of this fact. The most puzzling aspect is why people choose to use it in the first place?

385532 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1295 of 2049 🔗

There are anti-monopoly laws, the its a private company doesn’t wash.

384961 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nickbowes, #1296 of 2049 🔗

the left doing exactly what they did to Trump

384799 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 40, #1297 of 2049 🔗

The dispute between lockdown sceptics and zealots has turned acrimonious for a number of reasons, but not least because it has become part of a wider culture war. On the one hand are people who value freedom and quality of life over absolute safety, and on the other are people who wish to be looked after by the state. If the latter win, they will find that every aspect of their lives will be carefully controlled, including diet, alcohol consumption, and where and how they can travel. All this will be dictated by the “great and the good” – people like George Monbiot of The Guardian, who features on today’s update page with his call for censorship. They’ll soon realise it makes for a miserable existence, but by then it will be too late.

384802 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JamesM, 13, #1298 of 2049 🔗

They’ll soon realise it makes for a miserable existence, but by then it will be too late.

We are already at this stage. Now it is simply a matter of how much worse our lives become.

384805 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 6, #1299 of 2049 🔗

Ohhhh it can get a whole lot worse yet.

384803 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JamesM, 8, #1300 of 2049 🔗

Nail, Head. What term do we use for people who want dependence on the state?

384809 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1301 of 2049 🔗

Statists.

384812 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1302 of 2049 🔗

Welfare recipients.

384816 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to bluemoon, 4, #1303 of 2049 🔗

Those who want dependence on the state – ie those who are pushing UBI – are not welfare recipients.

384818 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1304 of 2049 🔗

Bedwetters.

384831 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1305 of 2049 🔗

feeble brainless zombies!

384807 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JamesM, 19, #1306 of 2049 🔗

Agreed, and this is why I have largely given up on society in its current form. We need to be forming dissident social and economic networks, free from state interference and lockdowns as best we can, like the old underground universities of the Soviet era.

I used to wonder why certain religious groups such as orthodox Jews or Brethren did this, and now I understand why.

384827 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1307 of 2049 🔗

The Benedict Option, Archbishop?

384844 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mattghg, 1, #1308 of 2049 🔗

I have never heard of that, but just duckduckgo’d it – looks interesting, thank you.

384846 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1309 of 2049 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

384851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mattghg, 4, #1310 of 2049 🔗

The problem is that the Benedict Option movement is based on Christianity (or indeed any religion or worldview) being legal. Lockdowns remove nearly all rights of free assembly etc. Eg the Benedict Option suggests compiling a guide to Christian businesses. We can’t openly publish a guide to anti-lockdown businesses as the police will harass them with massive fines. I think Soviet dissident and WW2 resistance models are closer to what we need.

384856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1311 of 2049 🔗

Rod Dreher wrote a follow-up to The Benedict Option that might be more apposite, then: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53438190-live-not-by-lies

384834 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JamesM, 12, #1312 of 2049 🔗

Monbiot is psychotic. His vision of the ideal society is Kampuchea circa 1975.

384835 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JamesM, 11, #1313 of 2049 🔗

Miserable indeed but the most infuriating thing about the whole business is that it’s an illusion of safety – after all the sacrifice, government measures have made things WORSE, not better. If the dunderheads could be made to realise this, we’d be OK

384859 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 6, #1314 of 2049 🔗

Yep 100,000 have died of covid (apparently) & hes destroyed the economy & social fabric of the country, causing damage that will last decades & likely kill millions and driving a deep political divide between the public.

He could have just let the dying die & saved us from the rest. By building & manning a few extra hospitals,& adding some bed capacity, no brainier really.

384854 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to JamesM, 7, #1315 of 2049 🔗

For the ‘great and the good’ read self obsessed power mad wankers. They also make a lot of money but I believe that is secondary to the pleasure of ordering the people they regard as plebs to humiliate themselves.

384810 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 23, #1316 of 2049 🔗

The Guardian what a nest of scum and villany! I can’t bring myself to read any of the stories about coronavirus. The headlines are bad enough.

Most commented story “The public aren’t flexing the rules: the rules are just too flexible”.

In the top stories “Tories under growing pressure over MP who backed Covid deniers”

There was another story which has disappeared from the top 10 which was something about Covid deniers spreading infection or trouble by filming in hospitals.

They are also looking for “UK healthcare staff ” to say “Have you been affected by people who think Covid is a hoax?” (What does this even mean?)

Urggh I feel ill with something just after typing this (Sorry for sharing it with you actually). I used to quite like the Guardian but it’s just a dark propaganda rag to me now. I wonder how they will get out the hole they have dug themselves into.

384824 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dan L, 15, #1317 of 2049 🔗

Best thing to do with the guardian is don’t even go there, it’ll die its own death if no one reads it.

384837 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1318 of 2049 🔗

On these cold dark winter evenings I like to have a copy of The Guardian handy by my armchair. It’s good for lighting the fire.

384847 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1319 of 2049 🔗

Or if you run out of loo roll.

384848 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1320 of 2049 🔗

The Telegraph is too wet?

384853 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1321 of 2049 🔗

I’m reading it online but I better stop or I’ll be tempted to chuck my computer on the fire!

384869 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1322 of 2049 🔗

as Edmund Blackadder says “soft strong and thoroughly absorbent…”

385553 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cranmer, #1323 of 2049 🔗

Or lining the. parrot’s cage

384868 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan L, 4, #1324 of 2049 🔗

“Tories under growing pressure over MP who backed Covid deniers”

= we want to see this MP sacked

384886 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Julian, 6, #1325 of 2049 🔗

Guardian love the word deniers for people who wish to raise another opinion … climate deniers. Perhaps they might examine what happened with their BREXIT denial and their hoped for Labour government.

384912 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to wendy, 18, #1326 of 2049 🔗

My son (11) has been bombarded his whole life with the climate thing by the BBC, by school, by The Week Junior etc. I’ve stayed out of it.

But yesterday, he expressed the view that if we have previously had ice ages and warmer periods, not that long ago in geological terms….then why is everyone freaking out about man made global warming, because surely it’s going to be piffling in comparison with anything the planet can and will throw at us over time?

That’s my boy. Smart lad.

385011 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to sophie123, 3, #1327 of 2049 🔗

you’ve obviously taught him to think for himself – a rare talent nowadays

385428 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to sophie123, #1328 of 2049 🔗

‘good boy’ as the pub landlord would say.

384880 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dan L, 5, #1329 of 2049 🔗

Dan, I had turned into a ranting loony over the Guardian by last summer. It was the paper I always read online and paid frequently to do so. I stopped reading it to prevent madness and have felt so much better for it. I don’t belong there any more. I will never go back to it, just snippets like yours here let me know they are as you say a dark propaganda rag with an aim I think to destabilise.

I think most of the country don’t hold their views and won’t be reading their articles. A couple of my friends that still do and hold their attitudes I decided not to see anymore also. I’ve moved too far away from them and interaction would just lead to arguments.

If they feel they are so right and everyone is on their wave length why do they need to campaign so hard? I thought a lot about the woman who filmed in the hospital and concluded that when a government terrorisers, criminalises and is less then honest with a whole population trust is gone and it should not be a surprise when citizens act in odd ways.

385024 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to wendy, 1, #1330 of 2049 🔗

One of big thing for me about this last 10 months is that news sources I thought trustworthy have let me down. Is it me or them that have changed? It is just so now blatant I can’t imagine I wouldn’t have noticed it even if was previously directed to people I didn’t agree with (then).

Also assuming it is purposeful what is the point of the propaganda? Once you notice it is so glaring and serves to switch you off further from the views promoted. I think others have hinted maybe the stepping up of the propaganda is a sign of fear that the previously convinced are starting to question things.

384985 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dan L, 2, #1331 of 2049 🔗

the best thing would be if they didn’t. best if they just disappeared forever from the face of the earth. along with the telegraph, the times and all the rest of the filth.

384825 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 29, #1332 of 2049 🔗

I have some positive news to share. For the last couple of days we’ve had maintenance men round to do some work to our shed (I live in a rented student house). There have been 3 of them round in total and 2 of them have been maskless throughout (the other one wore one for a bit yesterday but didn’t bother today) whilst definitely not maintaining social distancing. We’ve had them round before where they’ve worn masks the whole time. I might be reading too much into it but it’s cheered me up no end!

384828 ▶▶ Liam, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1333 of 2049 🔗

We have to take hope where we find it!

384830 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nocheesegromit, 10, #1334 of 2049 🔗

I hope you offer them tea and biscuits frequently – they need to see that non-maskers are a friendly lot.

384841 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1335 of 2049 🔗

I will be from now on! They did bring their own kettle yesterday though which confused me as I couldn’t see any mugs or flasks!

385001 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1336 of 2049 🔗

Similar to our experience. We had 2 carpet fitters, 1 joiner and 2 gas boiler fitters in recently. None wore masks (except one carpet fitter on the way in – ‘don’t want to be reported by the neighbours’). No social distancing, enjoyed brews and toast provided by us and the boiler man in particular was very sceptical – we had a good old natter, lifted my spirits no end.

385121 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1337 of 2049 🔗

The chaps doing my roof this week had masks when they came to give me a quote. But when they came back to do the work not a single mask in sight.

385129 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1338 of 2049 🔗

Ever wondered why the pubs are shut ?

385533 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Bill H, 1, #1339 of 2049 🔗

Nope. I know exactly why the pubs are shut. And so do the customers. It’s temporary, whatever these monsters think.

385124 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1340 of 2049 🔗

Couple of excellent men around yesterday fixing our chimney. Actually quite a bit of risk and involved, clambering on roofs, dodging falling bricks, etc.

Younger bloke (20s), started out fully masked.

Just said – ‘if you are wearing that for me, don’t bother’.

He whipped off the mask – ‘Thanks !’

Grounded, sensible, practical people know the masks are BS. They are just waiting to be told…..

384826 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 7, #1341 of 2049 🔗

Any thoughts on why there was an enormous increase in testing today – nearly 200k more Pillar 2 tests than yesterday? Surely, not related to the fact that positive ‘cases’ were starting to plunge!

384838 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1342 of 2049 🔗

the snow sunday/monday closed a lot of test centres . so maybe catching up on a backlog (although reports on here indicate they are usually empty so maybe i should keep quiet about this hypothesis)

384877 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #1343 of 2049 🔗

Schools? Is testing being phased in now in schools?

384952 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1344 of 2049 🔗

I don’t think so but our school just announced that they will have weekly saliva based tests when they return. You do them at home first thing and then hand them in, or not in the case of my family (they are not compulsory).

384907 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1345 of 2049 🔗

How many are lft? I know where I was working introduced it to stop everyone from having to isolate from t&t

384987 ▶▶▶ court, replying to wayno, #1346 of 2049 🔗

We’ve had a letter home today concerning LFT for our primary school staff. Twice a week here.

384832 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #1347 of 2049 🔗

All four of the governments daily update criteria now on the way down for the first time this year I think.
Positve, if yet cautious news.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

384849 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jonny S., 15, #1348 of 2049 🔗

If i’m honest I stopped looking at graphs long ago, it only encourages covidians & the numbers have no relevance to my opposition to lockdowns.

If we treated cv-19 like we do with every other seasonal respiratory infection & just got on with it, covid19 really wouldn’t exist in most peoples minds.

I blame globalist NGOs like WHO! They have an agenda & its not our welfare.

384864 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1349 of 2049 🔗

The trouble is that a lot of people have been brainwashed into thinking that it is not just another seasonal virus and special measures are needed – they are shown scary graphs daily – we need to counteract this somehow

384977 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, 2, #1350 of 2049 🔗

graphs – and all the death porn from the ICUs. if the government had 11 months ago launched the same kind of propaganda offensive on say road accidents – the numbers, the data, filming of the victims, lives ruined or cut short, their grieving relatives, together with the guilt trips on anyone who gets into a car, the defaming of anyone who dares to say ‘hang on a minute..’ belting it out 24/7, then you can rest assured there would not be a car left on the road today

384966 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1351 of 2049 🔗

whether it exists or not, who cares? the word ‘covid’ is a totally unnecessary addition to our lexicon. ‘flu’ ‘colds’ and ‘seasonal respiratory viruses’ had the situation fully covered (as all-cause mortality to date proves)

384895 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1352 of 2049 🔗

Whilst I agree that the data is not the whole story with this hoo-haa it does help when it goes in the right direction! The total number of ‘Covid’ patients in English NHS hospitals has also gone down from a high spot of 34,336 on around the 18th down to 30,846 yesterday a fall of 3490, which is approx a 10% drop in around 10 days.
One of the big political drivers for all this nonsense is the pressure on the NHS, if that is starting to ease off then so much the better. I feel that the ruling junta recognise that this is the last lockdown throw of the dice, anything that takes a bit of wind out of their sails must be good.

384843 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 13, #1353 of 2049 🔗

Compared to Greece, the UK seems far less in the grip of state-led Covid fear. If you walk around Athens without a mask, straight to the police station you will go. I make it 50-50 in North London, which is sweet anarchy compared to Athens. I am wondering if the media hysteria is ramped up precisely because it is not working so well.

384850 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1354 of 2049 🔗

So has Greece managed to Beat The Virus by knickering faces?

384857 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Annie, 8, #1355 of 2049 🔗

The curves of Greek PCR positives and alleged Greek covid deaths look pretty much the same as in all other jurisdictions, whatever restictions they have or have not imposed.

Given that thee are no RCTs showing any benefit to mask-wearing, we should not be surprised by this.

The real world is showing us exactly what we would expect from trials and experiments.

Isn’t science great?

384862 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 9, #1356 of 2049 🔗

My general impression. Restrictions were more political than medical. They did not want people out at night. More “Greece of the Colonels” than anything else – like 1967 to 1974.

384870 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Waldorf, 12, #1357 of 2049 🔗

“Restrictions were more political than medical.”

same as everywhere else then.

384923 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 3, #1358 of 2049 🔗

Yes, perhaps with that extra bit of Greek police state. In 1967 three people meeting at a street corner could be enough to get the police interested, and there were also night curfews, like now.

384915 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1359 of 2049 🔗

‘Z’, with Yves Montand.

384973 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1360 of 2049 🔗

Great film.

385059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to bebophaircut, #1361 of 2049 🔗

I remember it well, a great film.

384975 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1362 of 2049 🔗

Just look at Algeria.

Low numbers all around and they have 8P-5A military-enforced lockdowns and borders closed to travelers.

The real reasons are the political crisis between the Army and ailing president, crumbling economy, and gerontocracy clinging to power with no plan for the future.

They know full well there will be massive rioting that could tip into civil war if they relax the, “health,” restrictions.

384860 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 2, #1363 of 2049 🔗

No. It was compulsory to wear masks in July on public transport when there were two deaths a day or 50 new cases. It didn’t stop a major uptick in late October/November and they had a lockdown which is still going on, although last week some shops re-opened. The death toll peaked in late November at 121 a day, most recent is 18.

384852 Annie, replying to Annie, 2, #1364 of 2049 🔗

Anybody seen somebody wearing multiple nappies yet?

384865 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), replying to Annie, 4, #1365 of 2049 🔗

Only in my nightmares.

384905 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Annie, 7, #1366 of 2049 🔗

I havent seen anyone, but someone the wife works with said on zoom last weeks she was now going to double mask as she had heard it was “safer”. I had to leave the room as I was laughing so much.

384954 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ThomasT, 10, #1367 of 2049 🔗

why not get their mouth and nostrils sewn up? that would be super safe, with the plus that we wouldn’t have to listen to their moronic drivelling any more

384909 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 21, #1368 of 2049 🔗

No, but I was in the supermarket this morning (unmasked) when a masked woman froze in horror at the sight of me (I know I’m not pretty, but…), pressed herself against the shelves and pulled her anorak hood across her face.
The thought that the government have deliberately induced that level of utterly irrational fear in people fills me with fury.

384957 ▶▶ ekd, replying to Annie, 5, #1369 of 2049 🔗

I’m in Paris, I don’t go out much anymore but my wife tells me that double-masking is becoming increasingly common, they wear the “surgical” mask underneath and the “designer” mask on top.

384970 ▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to ekd, 1, #1370 of 2049 🔗

Watch Louis Fouché’s videos if you haven’t already. He cheers me up.

385142 ▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Jane C in France, #1371 of 2049 🔗

I switched off when he began going on about “la politique néolibérale mondialiste qui a tué notre hoptal publique”… just another French leftie.

385049 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to Annie, 1, #1372 of 2049 🔗

Haven’t noticed any yet, but sure it’s only a matter of time before the ‘double’ becomes common. Then the triple.

Maybe the lack of oxygen will make them all expire and we could all then breath freely without masks of course!

385065 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Annie, 1, #1373 of 2049 🔗

My husband saw a guy about 40ish in Glasgow of all places wearing cloth mask underneath paper mask a few weeks ago. Scots men are a bunch of wimps now apart from my husband and son.

384861 Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 2, #1374 of 2049 🔗

REDDITCH LABOUR PARTY’S MASKS PHOTOSHOP FAILS TO COVER-UP COVID BREACH

https://order-order.com/2021/01/28/redditch-labour-partys-masks-photoshop-fails-to-cover-up-covid-breach/

384867 Ceriain, 3, #1375 of 2049 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsregion&areaName=London

Hospital numbers in London down 500 since yesterday: 6,785 —-> 6,272.

384872 kate, replying to kate, 5, #1376 of 2049 🔗

Regarding the worrying increase in deaths among the elderly in care homes since the December vaccine programme.

We need to take the correct action and write to our MPs or local councillors alerting them to this issue. It is the least we can do to raise awareness among those in authority that these vaccines may not be safe for the elderly.

Point out that Germany no longer gives these vaccines to the over 65 age group.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55839885

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55814922

384945 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kate, 8, #1377 of 2049 🔗

I did and FOIs sent to PHE, DHSC and NHS asking if anyone is researching the link between the vaccines and the rise in deaths of over 70s in hospitals and care homes.

Will post the answer when if comes in.

384950 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kate, 2, #1378 of 2049 🔗

Do you seriously think they do not know?

384873 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -17, #1379 of 2049 🔗
384885 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 7, #1380 of 2049 🔗

Why do you think Vallance seems to have gone cold on the vaccine?

384891 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Julian, 4, #1381 of 2049 🔗

Didnt he sell a shed load of his pfizer shares off just before the vaccines were announced? maybe kicking himself now.

384931 ▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1382 of 2049 🔗

Na he sold them at just the right time as the dropped after the release of the vaccine

384903 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Julian, 4, #1383 of 2049 🔗

Maybe Vallance has gone quiet until reports of side effects die down?

384925 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to DoubtingDave, -7, #1384 of 2049 🔗

They knew there would be side effects.

384939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, 2, #1385 of 2049 🔗

Yep, says so in the EMA document requesting more information.

Link posted above for Mayo.

385126 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, #1386 of 2049 🔗

Because we’ve got truckloads of the useless Oxford vaccine, and not much Pfizer perhaps?

384947 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 2, #1387 of 2049 🔗

Ninety-two percent of what?

385006 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -6, #1388 of 2049 🔗

Of those who would have been infected without the vaccine.

In a given timeframe, the Pfizer trial recorded 162 infections in the non-vaccine group and 8 infections in the vaccinated group, i.e. a 95% reduction.

The Israel ‘trial’ uses a sample size which is about 4 times larger than the Pfizer trial.

This vaccine looks to be very, very effective

385009 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, 5, #1389 of 2049 🔗

Which is fuck all of a representative sample in the scheme of things.

385046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Awkward Git, -4, #1390 of 2049 🔗

It’s highly significant. They could have hung on until more infections were detected but it was clear where this was heading.

I believe the placebo group are being offered the vaccine now.

385120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jayp, replying to Mayo, 2, #1391 of 2049 🔗

That’s handy , so we will never know any long term effects ? Trial effectively over

385250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to jayp, -3, #1392 of 2049 🔗

It’s a moral issue. Can you continue to deny providing an effective vaccine to 50% of the triallists.

384992 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 4, #1393 of 2049 🔗

Effective at what? Even Pfizer didn’t claim it stoped you catching or spreading it.They claimed it lessened the symptoms.How do they know this because in most people Covid causes mild symptoms anyway.

385019 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1394 of 2049 🔗

Peter Doshi raised some interesting points about the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine, in particular that the test results excluded cases of ‘suspected Covid-19’ that weren’t confirmed by PCR test. If these had been included in the results the efficacy of the vaccine would have been much reduced:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

385055 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to jonathan Palmer, -4, #1395 of 2049 🔗

We don’t yet know if it stops anyone spreading it. It’s effective at reducing symptoms. That’s a pretty good start.

385326 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 1, #1396 of 2049 🔗

This is the biggest drug trial in history.An experimental ‘vaccine’ rushed through in record time.
What could go wrong?

385363 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to Mayo, #1397 of 2049 🔗

Why would you want a vaccine that reduces symptoms if you dont have any symptons

384881 suitejb, replying to suitejb, 7, #1398 of 2049 🔗

Rang the vets the other day to book our kitten in to be neutered. Apparently they are not doing routine neutering ops at the moment. I simply couldn’t summon the energy to ask why not.

384887 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to suitejb, 5, #1399 of 2049 🔗

Now I’m curious, the country has ground to a halt!

384889 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to suitejb, 4, #1400 of 2049 🔗

We had our dogs done last week, no problems at all from our local Vets.

384917 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to suitejb, 4, #1401 of 2049 🔗

So only “emergency neutering”? Tell them he’s spraying everywhere.

385123 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1402 of 2049 🔗

Or tell them that he’s fathered 15 litters of kittens in the last week alone – the welfare ramifications are huge.

385032 ▶▶ mj, replying to suitejb, 1, #1403 of 2049 🔗

grabbing the public by the balls and squeezing is the governments job … they would be so jealous

385042 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to suitejb, 3, #1404 of 2049 🔗

Find a different vet – some are much better than others in what they are doing at the moment.

384882 col35, replying to col35, 1, #1405 of 2049 🔗

i really think dr gupta should take legal action agianst owen jones his coments made here are plian and simple libel https://youtu.be/8lraa1MZaIU

385356 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to col35, #1406 of 2049 🔗

Christ he’s hard to listen to.

384884 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1407 of 2049 🔗

The msm appear to be our enemy, is it because they are owned by people who live in other countries?

384940 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1408 of 2049 🔗

Is it because they are members of the global neoliberal elite, who allegiance to no land or people?

384894 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 55, #1409 of 2049 🔗

Sir Desmond is now being attacked by all manner of lockdown zealots in his own party now. Priti has weighed in, and Sky is doing a long interview (prime time) with insignificant Tory backbencher, George Freeman. I hope to God Sir Desmond holds strong – overwhelming support for him on Mail and Telegraph comments.

384898 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 19, #1410 of 2049 🔗

I have emailed him.

384913 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Will, 12, #1411 of 2049 🔗

I did too, earlier. I hope that supportive messages will help.

384933 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to this is my username, 13, #1412 of 2049 🔗

Ditto, said “stay strong, more people support you than you think”.

384899 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 14, #1413 of 2049 🔗

We should email him too – ‘stay strong’.

384927 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 10, #1414 of 2049 🔗

I will email him too, my feeling of him is that he cares very much for people

384937 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #1415 of 2049 🔗

The co-ordinated attack is not so much about him as a message to the others. They need to fight for him for they may well be next. The correct tactical response would be for them to send letters to Graham Brady and let Number Ten know they are doing so, and are doing so now as a direct result of the persecution of Sir Desmond.

384948 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1416 of 2049 🔗

Just take it to the streets Des, its now or never.

384967 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #1417 of 2049 🔗

I’ve mailed him. Saying he has the support of many people.

384974 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 6, #1418 of 2049 🔗

Me too

384982 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #1419 of 2049 🔗

And me. Didn’t like him uttering those dread words the ‘new normal’ the other day but his hounding is appalling, especially when it is being done by those with no principles, courage or integrity.

384971 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 14, #1420 of 2049 🔗

This hysterical reaction to anyone questioning the lockdown is weird, I sort of feel that the ruling Junta feel that this current lockdown is their last full lockdown throw of the dice and they are in a desperate rearguard action to keep it going until they they have wrung as much out of it as they can. I still think Uberfuhrer Johnson is looking to the G7 meeting in Cornwall in June and wants the UK and the West Country in particular, to be a covid success story by the time of that meeting, so that he can be seen a a global covid super-hero.
And so we all suffer for his global political ambitions.

384978 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #1421 of 2049 🔗

Just sent hom a mail too

384984 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 12, #1422 of 2049 🔗

He has got them rattled alright. This is a concerted attempt to ‘take him down’ but I am certain it will fail, because all it will do is draw more attention to his message. He strikes me as a strong and resolute character. I wrote to him last week thanking him and recognising the pressure he must be under (little did I know!), but that he gave hope and inspiration to so many. I think it’s a really dumb move by them as he will get more support, not less in my view.

385071 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1423 of 2049 🔗

Yet scepticism continues to grow.

384900 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 15, #1424 of 2049 🔗

I would encourage people to take a look at the share of PCRs which have returned positive results – the so-called positivity rate. The advantage of this is that it strips out pretty much all of the effect of more vs fewer tests.

Looking at the UK, there has been a slow, steady uninterrupted increase, with no blip, that I can find, from the summer up until now. It currently sits at around 5.50% and has done for the last several weeks.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-positive-rate-bar

This tells you a couple of things.

It tells you that all measures taken – masks, distancing, lockdowns, are utterly irrelevant as regards their effect on the proportion of positive PCRs.There is no discernible effect on the curve of prevalence.

It also tells you, that, insofar as the PCR reflects any viral prevalence, whether directly or indirectly, that this viral prevalence is completely dependent on seasonal factors, with humidity, as shown by research in the past,very probably right up there.

384911 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #1425 of 2049 🔗

Go here to see the UK positivity rate from August up to January 25th

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-positive-rate-bar?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-08-30 ..2021-01-26&country=~GBR&region=World

384902 Edward, replying to Edward, 21, #1426 of 2049 🔗

Just back from my six-monthly dental checkup and hygienist appointment (private practice). As it’s a medical-type premises I submitted to the pointless temperature check and hand sanitising – I can’t really object on principle to the latter since I usually ignore the instructions on home cleaning products not to let them get on your hands – mainly because I hate the lingering rubber smell which rubber gloves leave on my hands. (Apart from from oven cleaner and drain unblocker which I do avoid touching as they’re fairly vicious).
Hygienist first, that was fine though her speech was muffled through the mask. As I left she said “just pop on your mask while you’re waiting for the checkup”. I don’t recognise this “your mask” concept so was unable to comply, nobody bothered. My routine appointments are covered by a monthly direct debit but there was £5 to pay for “extra PPE”. The receptionist was unmasked and was happy to take cash – maybe she is “queen of her domain” and sets the rules there.
Heading home along a street with several restaurants, all closed of course, some with nauseating notices about staying safe, being kind, and “We hope to see you again very soon” (that’ll be never). In Bistrot Pierre there was a photo shoot with a nice meal on the table, lights, camera, laptop. Is this for their next advertising campaign, “Here’s a lovely meal which you can’t have for the foreseeable future”?

384968 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Edward, 3, #1427 of 2049 🔗

Hope all well with teeth.

385145 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ovis, #1428 of 2049 🔗

Fine, I have a bit of wear which may eventually need some coatings but my dentist is very good and doesn’t push treatments unnecessarily.

384997 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Edward, 1, #1429 of 2049 🔗

I believe that Bistrot Pierre has gone into administration.

385150 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Nymeria, #1430 of 2049 🔗

I suppose the photo shoot could have been for somebody else, just using the Bistro Pierre premises.

385161 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Edward, 1, #1431 of 2049 🔗

I read somewhere that film shoots are exempt from closure – can’t all restaurants open with someone in the corner filming it? Would this be a good enough loophole?

384904 kate, replying to kate, 5, #1432 of 2049 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hlvlErQzRC2A/

Israeli lawyer Tamil Turgal about the mass vaccinations in Israel and the control of the media on this subject.

384919 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to kate, -16, #1433 of 2049 🔗

To-day’s announcement from Israel states that Pfizer vaccine (2 doses) is 92% effective.

I suspect vaccine opposition is going to melt away over the coming weeks.

384928 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 5, #1434 of 2049 🔗

Is that an absolute or a relative figure?

385026 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -8, #1435 of 2049 🔗

It would be virtually impossible to determine an absolute risk value in a few weeks.

This is why UK column News & Highwire were spouting nonsense. In a limited period of time the number of infections will be a fraction of the endpoint figures.

385063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mayo, #1436 of 2049 🔗

Hope you are right, mayo

384932 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, 11, #1437 of 2049 🔗

You want it, you take it.

Or read this EMA document, digest the information and understand it then tell em you are happy getting it:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCilGChNyzzU2yjA2S?e=4rQ2FT

It’s about this:

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BioNTech
BNT162b2, 5’capped mRNA encoding full length SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein

I understand the following statement to mean that these ingredients are NOT certified for use in a vaccine:

All excipients except the functional lipids ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 and the structural lipid DSPC comply to Ph. Eur. grade.

The functional lipid excipients ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are classified as novel excipients.

Both structural lipids DSPC and cholesterol are used in several already approved drug products. DSPC is used in several products approved in the EU (Marqibo, Doxil, Ambisome, Onpattro), though not by the same route of administration

Further justification that DSPC is not a novel excipient is requested.

And:

ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are novel excipients, not previously used in an approved drug product within EU.

So the Pfizer is not just unlicensed but contains ingredients that have never been approved for use in a vaccine or approved for use in any way.

Lots more information in the document that does not support “it’s safe” mantra.

So why do you think it’s safe?

385013 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1438 of 2049 🔗

This is how I see the vaccine: I have no comorbidities, I am not over weight and I run and am a very fit almost 63 year old. Form looking at the numbers of folks who have died that fit that category I see they are low. I don’t wish to take a medication when I cannot see that I am at any risk.

I don’t have a job which I might put others at risk if I did have an infection, ie health or caring, so I don’t feel there is any compelling reason for me to have a vaccine at this stage. Since I likely had covid last March anyway, and we don’t know how long immunity lasts and we don’t know if a second infection will cause less illness. And we don’t know if having any vaccine prevents infection and transmission I see no reason to take it.

It seems to me the only people who need to have a vaccine are those with risk factors if they wish to. There are always risks to taking medication so the risks of taking it should be balanced with the risk from possible poor outcome to infection. No one should be made to feel they must take a medication to protect the NHS.

covid will be like flu, it cannot be eradicated, I read something this morning that if a virus can have animal hosts it’s likely impossible to eradicate, coronaviruses and influenza both have many animal hosts. The best society can do is have a vaccine for people at risk and have treatments.

Having said all this my feeling is so many people have been terrified they will be desperate to be vaccinated that those of us who don’t wish to be will be so in the minority no one will be worried about us. This also raises an ethical question about frightening populations to take medications that many seemingly don’t need as they are not at risk.

My last thoughts on this have been that I cannot see the whole worlds governments wanting to get into a position where they must vaccinate their whole population once a year for covid when there appears to really be no need. India looks like it is getting to herd immunity so may have things to teach the rest of the world.

384935 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, 14, #1439 of 2049 🔗

they can state what the hell they like. not having it.

384942 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 9, #1440 of 2049 🔗

Just as Germany announce they intend to advise against the AZ vax for over 65s.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-germany-says-oxford-astrazeneca-jab-should-not-be-given-to-over-65s-12201458

95% as cases continue to go up in Israel too. Source is the Israeli state you say?

384989 ▶▶▶ nic, replying to Mayo, 4, #1441 of 2049 🔗

I look at the worldometer half the population and all the vulnerable vaccinated. Has made no impact on the numbers as far as I can see

385004 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 2, #1442 of 2049 🔗

Especially that coming from old folk in care homes.

385044 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Mayo, 3, #1443 of 2049 🔗

Regardless, the adverse reactions and deaths in nursing homes shortly after vaccination are coming in. If you have your eyes open you should be thinking twice.

384910 bebophaircut, 13, #1444 of 2049 🔗

‘Burnt by the Sun’, a 1994 Russian film about a loyal Red Army officer who ends up being burned by the Sun during the Stalinist purges in the 1930s. A cautionary tale for those who support authoritarian causes. You never know, you could be the next person on the black list.

384936 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1445 of 2049 🔗

Regarding the vaccine hulabaloo, are the EU going to be censored or deplatformed for behaviour that might put UK lives at risk?

385350 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, #1446 of 2049 🔗

Fact Checkers, lets have you

384938 Fingerache Philip, 15, #1447 of 2049 🔗

Larry King’s widow confirms that he didn’t die of Covid.
My mother died in 2009 aged 88 but I didn’t have to say that she didn’t die of exhaustion caused by running multiple marathons.

384943 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 31, #1448 of 2049 🔗

Since the Summer about 1,500 people in England have died from covid who don’t have pre-existing health conditions.

About 400 people die each year from drowning and many of these are younger people. So we might guess that in terms of years of life lost drowning over a year and winter covid will have the same affect in terms of years of life lost.

So we should be spending billions on draining all lakes and rivers in England, closing all swimming pools, and regulating the height of bath water. Anybody who disagrees with me is a drowning denier, and anybody who fills a bath above a 6 inch height is a child killer.

384959 ▶▶ mj, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #1449 of 2049 🔗

too complicated . just make the wearing of life jackets mandatory , not just when near water, but all the time.. just in case

384963 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to mj, 13, #1450 of 2049 🔗

Great idea. Or wear 2 as that will be doubly protective

385010 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1451 of 2049 🔗

Or so says Fauci.

385367 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Freecumbria, #1452 of 2049 🔗

In bed too.

385012 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to mj, 2, #1453 of 2049 🔗

Don’t the BBC do that anyway? Just say the word “towpath” and it’s on.

384969 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, #1454 of 2049 🔗

I don’t think you need to dip that far into absurdity. How many other factors cause 1500 deaths in six months – i.e a normal day’s deaths (roughly)?

384988 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 5, #1455 of 2049 🔗

Spoilsport, can’t I be a bit silly.

I saw a calculation that the years of life lost from additional suicides would be comparable with the years of life lost from covid deaths (including those with co-morbidities).

The difference is that we probably couldn’t stop any of the covid deaths, but we could have stopped the additional suicides by not locking down.

384980 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1456 of 2049 🔗

How many people die in traffic accidents?
Ban all motor vehicles?

385030 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1457 of 2049 🔗

If it saves one life!

385008 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1458 of 2049 🔗

Here is an interesting fun fact about relative risk. Cycling helmets would be more useful worn at all times about the home than they ever could be when worn cycling.

People seem to have a problem appreciating relative risk.

385020 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1459 of 2049 🔗

I nearly died in a major cycle accident when a car turned in front of me when I was travelling at speed and I went over the car into a wall. I was wearing a helmet that took a mighty battering. I think it might have helped a bit but I’m not going to test that out by repeating the experiment!

But when they talk of compulsory helmets for cyclists, ignoring all the disincentives that mean less people cycle, you wonder whether helmets for car drivers or pedestrians (I’d never thought about helmets in the home!) might actually save more lives

385028 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1460 of 2049 🔗

They would.

But the really significant point here is choice. If someone wants to take some precaution or other, that is a matter for them. But it is not a matter for them to impose such a precaution upon others.

385041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1461 of 2049 🔗

Agree, safetyism is getting out of control.

384944 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 20, #1462 of 2049 🔗

Walked past the hideous ‘If you bend the rules you are killing people’ bus stop ad. That’s like saying ‘stick to the law and people still will die’.

Or ‘Tax avoidance is theft’.

if you advertised washing powder or chocolate bars using phrases like this the ASA would have it down in hours.

385306 ▶▶ Annie, replying to eastender53, #1463 of 2049 🔗

Has this been reported to the ASA? Because it’s a palpable, gross absurdity.

384951 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #1464 of 2049 🔗

It’s funny reading zealots grasp for reasons why ze Germans have not approved the Oxford vaccine. They can add xenophobia to their list of obviously negative character traits now. The science not in line with the prophesy, clearly.

384962 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1465 of 2049 🔗

There seems to be a conflict going on between rationality and impulse.

384999 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1466 of 2049 🔗

The DT is, as always in those matters, a perfect example and cheerleader.
They are now officially all in and behind the lunatic government, and their journos can as such also be deemed insane.

385000 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1467 of 2049 🔗

Skys take on it is, paraphrasing, “They’re not saying it’s not safe, they’re saying there’s not enough data”

Which actually means they don’t have the data to say it is safe. Sky reporting their version of the facts as usual.

385016 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1468 of 2049 🔗

Kind of sums up this whole drama. It might work, might not but we’ll proceed anyway and hopefully nobody dies. If they do, we’ll crush the truth with the next sleight of hand.

385034 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1469 of 2049 🔗

The Germans are being necessarily pedantic. Don’t tell me that you can use this on over 65s if you only tested it on 2.

Not like that’s a stupid reason either.

385097 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 5, #1470 of 2049 🔗

That’s my take on it. The Germans are behaving responsibly.

384958 Julian, replying to Julian, 47, #1471 of 2049 🔗

The public attack by Gove on Swayne tells you all you need to know about this govts intentions

384972 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Julian, 20, #1472 of 2049 🔗

Add to that the groveling support of the labour party supporting the attack on Swain.

384986 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #1473 of 2049 🔗

Some of the senior MPs in the CRG like Brady need to stand up and defend him now

385015 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 14, #1474 of 2049 🔗

Brady is just the Chair of the 1922 Committee. It is the members of the Committee (ie, the Conservative backbenchers) who need to stand up, by sending in the letters to Sir Graham and informing Number Ten of what they are doing and why.

384965 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1475 of 2049 🔗

This pantomime is more than absurd, it is …

https://www.freethesaurus.com/absurd

385007 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1476 of 2049 🔗

Listen to Mel K at the 34 minute 30 second mark run down the list of proposed changes to the U.S. Voting Act, called HR1. Beyond belief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUTKeOJ5oXw

384981 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 24, #1477 of 2049 🔗

I have just sent an email of support to Sir Desmond Swayne. Could I urge everyone on this platform to do the same.

swayned@parliament.uk

385003 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ken Gardner, 13, #1478 of 2049 🔗

Here’s my e-mail of support:

Sir,

I have seen on the laughable MSM the attacks on you today.

Whatever you said must have been very close to the truth for this much bile and vitriol to be targeted at you in one day along with the “insult” of being a conspiracy theorist.

There are more people who are seeing through all the lies and bullshit than you think if all you watch is the MSM TV news.

As I send in a recent e-mail to the bumbling buffoon Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson who is our supposed Prime Minister amongst other Ministers, SAGE members etc:

“I take it as a matter of pride that after nearly a year of repeating the same idiocy over and over neither people like you, MPs who think like you, other zealots, the government, SAGE, councils, the WHO, Bill Gates and so can can do anything to refute the lockdown sceptics and independent scientist’s arguments using facts, rational arguments, science and reason but just resort to psychological propaganda, control, censorship, bullying, threats and insults.”

Stand firm, stand strong, you are not alone.

Some info about the Pfizer vaccine, I’ve been sent thi