2021-01-29

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385649 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 14, #1 of 1669 🔗

Wooh. Unaccustomed as I am…

385652 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 15, #2 of 1669 🔗

Biden’s Bird Slaughter: Green New Deal’s Wind Turbines Will Kill 1,000,000 Birds Annually
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/01/28/bidens-bird-slaughter-green-new-deals-wind-turbines-will-kill-1000000-birds-annually/

385661 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 25, #3 of 1669 🔗

Not just that but they don’t recycle and thus clutter up the landfills. Fantastic green deal all right 🙄

385723 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Elisabeth, 16, #4 of 1669 🔗

And they’re ugly.

386012 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #5 of 1669 🔗

Sure makes me turn green!

386076 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Elisabeth, 17, #6 of 1669 🔗

Wind Turbines aren’t remotely green. They are for show and to make some very rich people even richer.

386196 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Rowan, 1, #7 of 1669 🔗

That depends entirely on the design. The way they are built is in accordance to capitalist principles – not to principles of sustainable energy generation. Whenever the ROI is the main determinating factor, things get ugly – but the rich are happy.

386487 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, 2, #8 of 1669 🔗

Surround the White House with them. Dead birds littered all over the Rose Garden and the front lawn. Alfred Hitchcock revisited. With a twist.

386648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to bebophaircut, #9 of 1669 🔗

There are no birds around the white house. Way too much glyphosate sprayed around it…

386421 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #10 of 1669 🔗

And their carbon footprint is huge – manufacture with steel, other metals, transport, maintenance, batteries, etc etc. Are these people barking mad, or just plain ignorant? Or just out to make money…. oh, surely not!

386996 ▶▶▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Banjones, 2, #11 of 1669 🔗

And the concrete base the size of a small house….. They’re noisy if you live near them, which I do, especially when there’s actually very little wind on a nice evening. The effect is I think called wind shear, whereby as I understand it, heat rises as the ground cools during the evening, the turbine, the higher it is, catches the wind movement due to stratification and obviously rotates. Lower to the ground, the wind is calmer, you hear no wind noise to mask the turbine blades cut through the air. Drives me mad.

387311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to shorthand, #12 of 1669 🔗

The sheer size and weight of most turbines creates unnatural pressure and heating in the ground beneath, leading to unwanted effects on the soil temperature, chemical balance, and microbe load.

387058 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Banjones, 1, #13 of 1669 🔗

Plain ignorant, uninformed dreamers. It sounds so wonderful, but it isn’t practical. Wonderful trumps practical and reality. Maybe it was the relentless Green propaganda that they were taught in school from an early age? Like Greta T.

386853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Bella Donna, #15 of 1669 🔗

That was an interesting read. Thank you for sharing

387083 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Elisabeth, 2, #16 of 1669 🔗

A woman on Real America’s Voice at 3 P.M. just said that Biden’s Green Deal could kill up to 10 million jobs. What the heck! That’s sabotage. Treasonous.

385663 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 31, #17 of 1669 🔗

Wind turbines are made from steel, a lot of steel, and it takes more steel to transport to the location and more steel for erection. And all that steel can only be made by burning coal: which the green energy people tell us is the worst of all fossil fuels and all of it should be left unused in the ground.

385744 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #18 of 1669 🔗

Green energy is not green. Green energy = more expensive energy. David Rockefeller understands this profoundly. That’s why his energy dynasty is driving the phenomenon – successfully. Another way to wealth transfer to elites.

385980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 18, #19 of 1669 🔗

Anyone who knows anything about power distribution networks knows that renewables cannot sustain electricity demand by themselves. They do not have the inertia required to cope with demand fluctuations, and they do not have the reliability needed. Wind is not a constant, and when you need energy the most, there’s no sun (winter). There aren’t a lot of places left to build hydro dams. And you only get thermal energy if you’re lucky enough.

Renewable energy will always rely on classic power plants. This means that if we go down the renewable path, we will never be rid of gas plants and oil plants, maybe even coal ones.

The only way out of this into cheap, clean power is nuclear. That’s why it is the most demonized means of power generation today. I think it’s easier to build a gas power plant than a nuclear one.

France and Germany have settled this argument quite a few years ago, but no one is talking about it. Germany forced France to invest in renewables since France relies a lot on nuclear power. As a result, not only did people end up paying more for energy after introducing renewables, but France’s CO2 emissions increased as well.

Conclusion: If someone is worried about the environment and CO2 emissions and they’re against nuclear, they’re either useful idiots or they’re lying to you.

386055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #20 of 1669 🔗

Nuclear or tidal – both preferably.

386315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Old Bill, 1, #21 of 1669 🔗

Tidal is pretty hard to implement. Also, you kinda need to be next to a coast. And who even knows what the effect is going to be on the environment.

386090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #22 of 1669 🔗

Fukushima is an an extinction level event all by itself.

386310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Rowan, 4, #23 of 1669 🔗

What are you talking about? Fukushima affected the local area, which is being repopulated, btw. There was no major impact anywhere else, let alone “extinction level”.

386445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #24 of 1669 🔗

Agree C.N It was merely a crap location and locating the control plant in a floodable hole ffs. Totes agree with ” if they’re against nuclear, they’re either useful idiots or they’re lying to you”.

386710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #25 of 1669 🔗

This oneupmanship about nuclear hot water boilers is pathetic. People that are for nuclear steam power are probably both idiots or lying – or even more plausible paid stooges.
You omit the fact that the nuclear weapons stockpile is the main reason for the creation of npp’s. This hypocrisy of blaming Iran for its peaceful nuclear program comes from people who know that they themselves don’t use it for peaceful purposes. The electricity generated is a byproduct. It is the most costly way of generating electricity – if it does not serve another need. Subsidized to the hilt with taxpayer money.
Again, pathetic to promote this way of boiling water – especially in the face of the obvious goal by the hyper rich to remove the majority of people from the planet.
What do you need all this electricity for without the masses of people burning it for consumer electronics?

387045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Rowan, 1, #26 of 1669 🔗

The gift that keeps on giving. Largely swept under the carpet but still leaking into the Tokyo aquifer. It’s not an ELE, but has hammered the Pacific, Japan, and the Left Coast USA.

386219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #27 of 1669 🔗

There will be more Fukushimas soon – based on the countless aging reactors of the same model. Talking about nuclear being preferrable to alternative energy generation is General Electric propaganda. The costs of building, maintaining, dismantling and disposal of radioactive waste is exponentially higher than with any other generation method. Even coal fired plants are not constructed to be environmentally feasible. All these schemes serve the hyper rich owner class.

The only way out of this dependency is decentralized energy generation. Not centralized generation that leaves everybody in their grid depending on their operation. People that have devised alternative generation methods are murdered by the cartels. Because energy is everywhere – everything is energy.

I consider anybody that does not know about the myriad alternatives to generate electricity either a useful idiot, or a liar.

386307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nottheonly1, 2, #28 of 1669 🔗

Fukushima is a relatively old reactor design. There are newer and much safer designs.

Talking about renewables is Shell propaganda.

There is no need for radioactive waste disposal. Nuclear waste can just be used as fuel in other reactor types, such as CANDU.

Decentralized energy generation leads to technological stagnation.

Sounds to me like you need to do your homework on nuclear power. Especially now with molten salt reactors on the horizon.

386357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #29 of 1669 🔗

The only thing on the horizon now is the great reset.
The ‘old type’ reactors are the majority of all reactors. Many of them are now between 40 – 50 years old. In spite of having been refitted and modernized in regards to control and safety mechanisms – concrete does age, especially when exposed to radiation.

Based on ‘be here – now’, promises about safe nuclear power are moot. Today, they are all a major threat and liability.

Very telling that you don’t mention local geothermal generation for clusters of houses/villages. Too sustainable and nontoxic?

Clean up Chernobyl, Fukushima and Hanford – to name only the worst threats – before promoting a continuation of the path that led to this status.

If a dumb person like me can come up with a design to generate electricity locally exclusively via the difference in temperature between day and night, you should be able, too. But you appear to prefer blind fellowship of the technocracy fairy tale.

I ‘work’/create for the poor – not for the hyper rich.

386497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Nottheonly1, #30 of 1669 🔗

Geothermal energy is not sustainable, it drains the basin of supply, within a certain amount of time.

386543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to BJJ, 1, #31 of 1669 🔗

Well, I should have added that I am not referring to the kind that uses toxic chemicals in a fracking like operation – like the one I was living close by in lower Puna district on Hawai’i island. I am referring to small scale geothermal plants for individual houses/clusters of houses. The sustaibability factor derives from the use of renewable materials in the process.
To expect, or demand that something is completely sustainable and renewable is dishonest. The micro geothermal powerplants in Germany show the right direction. Houses that do not need exterior energy are a step forward for sure.
But with the grate reset, things will do into a different direction – if nothing is done about it.

386575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #32 of 1669 🔗

we need people who can think up brilliant ideas like this night and day idea. going along with nature rather than destroying it and trying to
control nature ,instead of people we cant trust like the evil gates and Facebook etc who are making such a mess of our world . masks lockdowns vaccines control control control

386346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, #33 of 1669 🔗

hear hear
or and new energy i read a tiny bit about tesla

386388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to sam s.j., 1, #34 of 1669 🔗

Tesla is nothing but a racket on the expense of Earth.

But do Yourself a favor and make a little experiment. Very simple (to reveal the principle):

Place a large plastic bottle outside at noon and unscrew the lid. After 15 minutes – close the lid. Observe what happens with the bottle – or look at it after sunset. It works both ways. Open it at night – look at it at noon. Note what happened to the bottle in both instances. This is very simplified – but You will immediately get the idea of a ‘divergence power plant’.

386390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, 2, #35 of 1669 🔗

i was htinkig of the scientist tesla sorry is not my forte science!

386393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to sam s.j., 1, #36 of 1669 🔗

The genius! I assumed You were factoring in the above comment about the coal powered charge of a Tesla.
But it goes to show how Musk soiled the name of the genius.
The little experiment will work nonetheless. 🙂

386447 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #37 of 1669 🔗

yes ! i boguht a book about him but havent read yet and my nephews studying physics knwo about him . i will try the experimnet if its not too advanced for me!

386524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to sam s.j., 1, #38 of 1669 🔗

The truth is, that there are quite a large number of Tesla people around. They just don’t know it – because the ‘education’ system was transformed into a tight programming and conditioning venture to create the servants the hyper rich needed. I also recommend You look into Viktor Schauberger – an Austrian observer of Nature of the late 19th century. He wrote the standard volume of alternative energy titled “Die Natur verstehen – Die Natur kopieren” (“Comprehend Nature – Copy Nature”. It is a most fascinating work about the art of observing Nature and to understand how it solves its ‘problems’.

https://archive.org/details/ViktorSchauberger-ComprehendAndCopyNature

Enjoy!

386554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #39 of 1669 🔗

i heard about him from prince charles book.was listening to the audio cd! the pools of water swirling energy. brilliant !. must be becuase is not profitable i dont trust anyone anymore in power not that did before.

how could prince charles be hoodwinked now !’ great reset ‘ argh

386579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Nottheonly1, 1, #40 of 1669 🔗

new book to read thank you!

386319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #41 of 1669 🔗

My understanding is that there is still some potential for further hydro generation in Scotland (400-1000MW), but viability depends on a variety of factors. However, given that modern life is ever more dependent on electricity, it’s hard to see how base demand can be met without nuclear.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280736099_Scotlands_hydropower_Current_capacity_future_potential_and_the_possible_impacts_of_climate_change

386401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to DJ Dod, #42 of 1669 🔗
387162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Nottheonly1, #43 of 1669 🔗

Been there! Not inside the power station, but did some hill walks round there once.

387228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to DJ Dod, #44 of 1669 🔗

So, did You do the Herzogstand? That’s the house mountain. King Ludwig loved it there. You can see upper Bavaria like on a platter. Walchensee is the upper natural reservoir. Kochelsee the lower reservoir. This principle works everywhere on the planet. Free energy, speaking in economic terms. When there is a difference in the usage, there is a difference in the price for light/electricity. Buy cheap – sell expensive. Works like a charm with solar panels. Or concentrated solar arrays that energize a condensation free steam turbine.

“Comprehend Nature – Copy Nature.”

-Viktor Schauberger –

386457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #45 of 1669 🔗

Agreed

386495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #46 of 1669 🔗

John Kerry disagrees with you. AOC does. Greenies do too.To think that I was upset in 2004 when Kerry didn’t beat Dubya. Oh, well, live and learn.

386863 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #47 of 1669 🔗

Pretty much. The only thing worthwhile is geothermal energy. It still relies on electricity to run the pumps but it takes a lot less to keep the house comfortable. You have to drill deep into the earth or have a large field so not super feasible for everyone. And the upfront cost is pretty steep.

386050 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 9, #48 of 1669 🔗

IMO, green energy = energy rationing (possibly by price).

Just look at Lebanon – not the same green self-immolation as planned here, but a very good illustration of what will happen.(sorry it is a bbc link):

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50760043

If you are too squeamish to visit a BBC website, it basically says rolling power cuts up to 17 hours a day and the rich paying crooks to steal electricity with ‘hook ups’ for them during their power outage, and this has been going on for more than 10 years.

386427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #49 of 1669 🔗

”Elites”???

386465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Banjones, 1, #50 of 1669 🔗

“Elites” in inverted commas. Shorthand for ultra rich – who are getting richer…my comment related to the wealth transfer to the pinnacle of the wealth pyramid.

386593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #51 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I understand really. I was just being facetious! Because anything less ”elite” than that self-serving and arrogant bunch you couldn’t imagine! We’ll have to find another word…

386453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #52 of 1669 🔗

Energy companies don’t get rich through abundant energy like nuclear. They make money through energy scarcity. That’s partly why nuclear is dissed. California is the classic example. Enron deliberately caused scarcity. Biden is binning Keystone for same reasons. No money in it. Nuclear despite huge advantages is routinely blocked for spurious reasons.

385894 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #53 of 1669 🔗

and the bases use vast amounts of concrete which is a huge producer of “greenhouse gasses” (not that greenhouse gasses are actual an issue, but the greens are obsessed by cutting them so it is hypocritical of them)

386424 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Hayes, #54 of 1669 🔗

Sorry, didn’t read yours before I posted mind – yours is much better.

387317 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, #55 of 1669 🔗

except in Wuhan

385715 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #56 of 1669 🔗

And they’re useless when either there’s no wind or it’s too windy.

385876 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #57 of 1669 🔗

I can’t wait to start saving the planet in a coal powered Tesla.

386320 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #58 of 1669 🔗

My current view as I read.

386365 ▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to James Leary #KBF, #59 of 1669 🔗
386605 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #60 of 1669 🔗

I guess you’re on the Cumbrian coast? It’s getting that bad where I am in the North East – except they’re inland here! No one gets a say whether these abominations are erected or not. Democracy, right?

386690 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #61 of 1669 🔗

Re bird strikes: wind farms do not kill the amounts mentioned, which is a gross over estimation, when the domestic cat kills far more annually. Research also shows that painting one blade black will reduce bird strike by 70%. Also, production and maintenance of these wind farms produce many jobs that otherwise would have been lost, particularly in areas where ship building and the marine economy has disappeared. The bases of marine turbines are producing artificial reefs that are acting as marine ecosystems and sanctuaries that are allowing recovery from the devastation of the sea bed by net dragging in commercial fishing. Disruption does occur when these turbines are built but the ecology quickly recovers. Other problems are disruptions to echo location, but more research is needed into this as well as all other areas of wind power. Marine biologist Hall Spencer says “The footprint is minimal compared to the vastness of the seas especially when compared to the effects of industrialised fishing and a warming of the oceans”. How do you maintain energy supplies into the future? Nuclear has many concerning factors: planning, cost, time to bring on stream, waste etc. Tidal energy the critics maintain, is as disruptive of the marine ecosystem as offshore wind farms are, and they have as many difficulties in position and planning as any other disruptive industry has to local coastal economies.

385653 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #62 of 1669 🔗

The Shocking Truth About Health Passports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2IGjIXKfQ

Vernon Coleman

385655 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #63 of 1669 🔗

More people have died in Britain in 2020 than in any year since 1918 – not true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_oaziwvkUg

History Debunked

385657 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #64 of 1669 🔗

The 2020s:

Tears For Fears – Mad World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZvPSpLxCg

385658 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #65 of 1669 🔗

Boris’s Ode to the Electorate: ” A simple prop to occupy my time”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7oQEPfe-O8
R.E.M. – The One I Love

385660 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 23, #66 of 1669 🔗

IMHO any Boris “phased exit strategy” will be a worthless piece of snailshit, FWIW.

385664 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #67 of 1669 🔗

Like engenders like.

385747 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 5, #68 of 1669 🔗

For a second there Annie, i mean, like, I thought you’d gone all Generation Z on us, like.

386326 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #69 of 1669 🔗

Do not like

386007 ▶▶ iane, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #70 of 1669 🔗

Wot, no pre-prepared speech?!

385650 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #71 of 1669 🔗

The Shocking Truth About Health Passports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2IGjIXKfQ

Vernon Coleman

385656 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #72 of 1669 🔗

Leftie Lockdown Loving Journalist’s attitude to Covid 19

It’s The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

385651 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #73 of 1669 🔗

Will this be phased in?

The Great Reopen UK businesses are asked to open 30th January– I am not saying anyone should break the law.

Aren’t all businesses essential – contact them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGI4kurfbY
https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/

385654 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #74 of 1669 🔗

Dictator Newsom Ends California Lockdown!?! What You Need To Know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzufBXVa-0&t=16s

AwakenWithJP

385659 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #75 of 1669 🔗

This should be the Governmnent’s slogan

(Don’t Fear) The Reaper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy4HA3vUv2c
BLUE OYSTER CULT

385877 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #76 of 1669 🔗

Great tune, and always reminds me of The Stand, which makes it doubly appropriate.

385794 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #77 of 1669 🔗

Surely the premises can be open for other than business without inviting any sort of gathering?

385662 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 28, #78 of 1669 🔗

These lunatics are out of control

385666 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 16, #79 of 1669 🔗

Best thing to do is quarantine them for life. Does Spandau prison still exist?
There’s no vaccine against insanity.Or stupidity.

385669 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 3, #80 of 1669 🔗

Isn’t the acquisition of skill in the use of reason and evidence the (metaphorical) vaccine against insanity and stupidity?

385676 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #81 of 1669 🔗

Maybe, but you have to start young, and, as with the acquisition of human language, there is an age threshold after which you become incapable of acquiring such skills.Our Fascists are long past that age. So are the zombies.

385683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 7, #82 of 1669 🔗

Our fascists, as you so endearingly dub them, remind me of nothing so much as Roderick Spode, the leader of the Black Shorts (P G Wodehouse).

385686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #83 of 1669 🔗

Yes indeed. But they were a small minority in those days, and the majority had the sense to ignore or laugh at them.

385828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #84 of 1669 🔗

I was thinking the exact same thing.

385822 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 1, #85 of 1669 🔗

Maybe we can rent the Lyubanka from the Russians?

385850 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Annie, 2, #86 of 1669 🔗

Why must the Germans have to put up with them? I thought we were all friends now, lol. Rockall might be more suitable. No warders required.

386429 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, #87 of 1669 🔗

Demolished and replaced by a NAAFI. Pity, would have been a a good spot for them to practice their interpretative dances.

385665 SallyM, replying to SallyM, 44, #88 of 1669 🔗

The Pfizer vaccine is not 99.96% effective! There is no control group for that data. That is ridiculous.

385668 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SallyM, 53, #89 of 1669 🔗

I keep asking, ‘What is the criterion for ‘effectiveness’?If the magic jab doesn’t stop you getting the bug, doesn’t stop you passing it on, doesn’t stop you getting ill with the bug although it might make you feel less bad while you’re having it, what the bloody hell makes it effective?

385719 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 19, #90 of 1669 🔗

As a very visible sign of compliance…

385789 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Annie, 11, #91 of 1669 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Surely the ‘point’ of a vaccine is that it prevents the recipient contracting the infection in question. For which, so far, they seem to have 0% effectiveness. If it doesn’t stop you getting it it’s not going to stop onward transmission if asymptomatic spread exists. There are too many ifs.

385791 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Annie, 2, #92 of 1669 🔗

$18 a shot.

385807 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 8, #93 of 1669 🔗

It is 99.96% effective at getting you a place on a Saga cruise ship.

386838 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Annie, 1, #94 of 1669 🔗

How could they know how bad anyone would have had It anyway and that their symptoms were less severe!! It’s a bad joke

385670 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to SallyM, 15, #95 of 1669 🔗

Isn’t that figure virtually the same as the recovery rate? It has been suggested that these “vaccines” are not vaccines in the accepted medical sense, leaving aside any side effects and whether they work or not. So the manufactures and politicians can claim they are successful.

385687 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to SallyM, 27, #96 of 1669 🔗

It took me two minutes to find this quote from the lead immunologist in Israel, “while these are impressive results, it’s important to say that there is no direct control group or data about the demographics and geographical data of the vaccinated people.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/week-after-2nd-pfizer-vaccine-shot-only-20-of-128000-israelis-get-covid/

It seems LS cannot even bother to do the research these days, it merely regurgitates the narrative.

385698 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Scotty87, 14, #97 of 1669 🔗

It’s curious that vaccine-as-saviour is being latched onto now, long after the state itself abandoned the vaccine cult (while still demanding total compliance because). There is no possibility that the regime can be held to its earlier position that the vaccine would end restrictions. The regime cannot be held to anything, let alone a position it has already explicitly rejected.

385958 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Scotty87, 2, #98 of 1669 🔗

Thank you. It’s people like you, who make this comment section such a valuable and sane resource for everyone btl.

385760 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SallyM, 7, #99 of 1669 🔗

Hanging oneself is also 100% “effective” against Coronaviruses

385790 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to SallyM, 8, #100 of 1669 🔗

It’s also a figure out of context. If you have no more than a 0.03% risk of contracting the disease and the vaccine reduced that risk by 99%… the difference is about 0.01%. And if you don’t go into a hospital the risk is 66% lower.

385667 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 116, #101 of 1669 🔗

It is good to see the parliament of the Council of Europe being clear that mandatory vaccination would be wrong and that discrimination against people who have not been vaccinated would be wrong. This sends a clear signal to states that any such discriminatory practices would open to challenge in the European Court of Human Rights and that the court would be likely to rule such discrimination illegal.

385671 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #102 of 1669 🔗

I wonder how Saga are going to react to this?

385674 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hugh_Manity, 23, #103 of 1669 🔗

I suspect their lawyers will be advising a change of policy, as the Human Rights Act 1988 would leave them seriously exposed.

385677 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #104 of 1669 🔗

Hasn’t that Act been de facto suspended, along with all other legislation conferring ‘rights’ on ordinary people?

385679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 5, #105 of 1669 🔗

No.

385685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #106 of 1669 🔗

Has anybody tried to invoke it against Coronabollox?

385690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 38, #107 of 1669 🔗

Not that I know of. However, it was cited in the Dolan judicial review. One aspect was the claim that by closing schools the government had denied children their right to education. The government’s lawyer countered this by asserting that the government had not closed schools. This response shows that the Human Rights Act 1998 has not been suspended and that the government knows it is acting contrary to the act and thus the convention. The current problem is not the law (the Coronavirus Act 2020 is clearly unlawful), it is the judges, who will not allow cases to proceed.

385696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #108 of 1669 🔗

I have been summonsed to jury duty in a few weeks time, I’m curious as to whether we should be questioning the beak about which law is supreme in any matter, or whether we can hang em and flog em regardless

385764 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Skippy, 7, #109 of 1669 🔗

advise the court non-white – automatically guilty
gets me out of Jury duty every time

385778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Skippy, 1, #110 of 1669 🔗

Should be interesting. It’s strange how they have never worried about people infecting each other in court before and probably shouldn’t now.

385829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Skippy, 5, #111 of 1669 🔗

You’ll be masked up. After all, in a court of law you are guilty, until proved innocent.

386142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Skippy, 3, #112 of 1669 🔗

You’ll have to sit surrounding by perspex to protect you from the other jurors!

385738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #113 of 1669 🔗

Libtard judges. Not independent. Just libtard activists.

Actively tried to scuttle Brexit through illegal and extra-legal processes and arguments. When it comes to Dolan’s 1200 page case against the LDs and illegal laws, outlining in grand detail the illegality of the CV legislation and how it contravenes evthg from Magna Carta to the Human Rights act, they had no interest. Dolan said they did not even bother to read the submission. But if it was a massive dossier against Brexit or something to support one of their fav pets, well ho, ho, ho, they would spend all the time in the world processing that claim.

385775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to FerdIII, 15, #114 of 1669 🔗

Pam Popper’s organisation in the US is bringing lawsuits. One feisty lady.

Based on challenging the EMERGENCY. not using human rights legislation.

Judges will always rule in favour of the legislature, saying that the government does have emergency powers to override individual freedoms.

You need to challenge the basis of the emergency itself. Unsurprisingly, TPTB cannot point to any data that shows there is an emergency.

In this interview, Spiro’s guest Dr. Pamela Popper discusses two new lawsuits that she believes could end Covid-1984. The two lawsuits, one in Ohio and one in New Mexico, challenge the root of the problem: the emergency itself.

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/12/the-lawsuit-that-could-end-covid-1984-with-dr-pam-popper.html

This is the way to go.

So far, the other side has refused and blocked attempts so make them show the evidence for the lockdowns.
Because there is none.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hirou0W8Pt8&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=TruthMatters

386645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #115 of 1669 🔗

If cases can’t proceed, then you can’t be tried for a breach of the Coronavirus Act. Hence it is unenforceable.

385776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Annie, 1, #116 of 1669 🔗

Yes Robin Tilbrook (English Democrats) keeps asking for donations for this purpose but I can’t find a link on his website.

386638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 1, #117 of 1669 🔗

No.

385678 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #118 of 1669 🔗

Saga or Sage ?

385694 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to karenovirus, 2, #119 of 1669 🔗

Both lol…

385701 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Hugh_Manity, 22, #120 of 1669 🔗

What about Pimlico Plumbers – the owner of this company said no jab, no job!!! Would he also say that to his customers? Great customer service!

385774 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomasina, 18, #121 of 1669 🔗

Pimlico Plumbers are skating on thin ice as they could be hit with discrimination lawsuits or what about employees who develop side effects that will render them unfit to work.

What about customers? There could be discrimination cases as well.

385820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #122 of 1669 🔗

What if a customer who’s never left their Pimlico mansion flat since March claims they have caught it from a vaccinated plumber. “But you told me he was safe to come in now!”

385823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #123 of 1669 🔗

That should be interesting. One thing I hope is that Pimlico Plumbers have extremely deep pockets because they will be facing a tsunami of litigation against them.

386650 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #124 of 1669 🔗

An employer that insists on an employee being vaccinated should be asked to sign a formal document committing the employer to pay damages to the named employee in the case of any vaccine injury. The damages to be paid should not be less than than £5 million.

385782 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Thomasina, 11, #125 of 1669 🔗

The daft thing is the plumber who comes in your house could be suffering from dengue fever and a handful of other terrible diseases, but that doesn’t seem to be a worry.

386308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Crimson Avenger, #126 of 1669 🔗

Dengue fever highly unlikely. It is caused by certsin mosquitos which are not currently breeding or have ever been breeding in the uk

386655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, #127 of 1669 🔗

Really good of you to clear that matter.

387291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #128 of 1669 🔗

He/she might have been on holiday in – oh, wait a moment…

385837 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Thomasina, 12, #129 of 1669 🔗

Plumbers are in high demand. I reckon he will just lose the 20% of his workforce who have brains and be forced to backtrack. He’s an idiot possibly just enjoying the limelight and has swalled the COVID bollocks easy to do when it’s not affected business.

385929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #130 of 1669 🔗

I won’t be surprised if many of his employees would just go “sod this” and strike out on their own.

385969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #131 of 1669 🔗

Some who value their health will leave but a lot of plumbers are ” money spiders ” or ” mad for the graft ” as we say in the trades so they will do as they are told because those boys are really nicking a pound note or two at Pimlico .

386001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Christopher, 3, #132 of 1669 🔗

No doubt, but even 20% of skilled employees is hard to recruit overnight.

386034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #133 of 1669 🔗

That is true , they really in demand , also if they collectivised and formed some sort shop ( difficult when you are all sub contractors ) then they really would be able to refuse being forced into taking the jab and would have the ageing Rod Stewart lookalike by the balls .

385921 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Thomasina, 22, #134 of 1669 🔗

Has anyone watched the GMB video where Pimlico CEO – Charlie Mullins – “discusses” with Piers regarding his reasoning behind this, and that oaf Morgan wholeheartedly agrees with him (“I would definitely feel more comfortable using a plumber who I knew was vaccinated” … “I would definitely support companies using vaccinated employes”, etc …)

Mullins was horrible – and that’s a tough task to pull off when you’re sharing squares with Piers. Two fucking nobs.

Mullings goes on to state – rather casually at the end – that only vaccinated people be allowed in pubs/restaurants.

No mention of vaccination exemptions; disgracefully no mention of how being vaccinated does not hinder transmission.

The girl they were berating – Paris ? – was lovely, calm, articulate and did sooo well in maintaining her demeanor amidst such idiocy.

Watch only if you’re already in a dark place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5641x_7qeOU

cheers
Dave

385925 ▶▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 22, #135 of 1669 🔗

Oh yes, and the good Doctor put in another paid appearance – stating definitely that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women, because there is no data stating otherwise. What.A.F.U.C.K.I.N.G.Dick!

385769 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Hugh_Manity, 13, #136 of 1669 🔗

Personally I would just look elsewhere. There are plenty of tour operators offering overpriced unrematkable packages,

385777 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), replying to Crimson Avenger, 15, #137 of 1669 🔗

There are also many smaller independent ones offering incredible trips offering excellent value for money. Biased due to my job I know, but the industry is not all just big impersonal tour ops. Not that holidays will be permitted again any time soon.

385926 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Hugh_Manity, #138 of 1669 🔗

Slowly

386636 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #139 of 1669 🔗

With their usual brand of stupidity.

385725 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #140 of 1669 🔗

The first thought that struck me on that is that home-owners may be the worst people for an employer to try and force the vax onto. Reason being many of us have the legal add-on to our home insurance cover. That legal add-on doesn’t just cover us for bad neighbours. It also covers us for employment claims. Thus, if an employer tries to unfairly dismiss someone for refusing to have the vax, then that employee might be a home-owner with that legal add-on and the employer could find that employee does have the means to bring an unfair dismissal claim back against them (even if their Union does that 2020/21 Big Wimp act Unions seem to be doing at present.

385830 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #141 of 1669 🔗

That was a fantastic update.

385672 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 47, #142 of 1669 🔗

Thing that were allowed in 1984 but not 2021

Pubs, restaurants, cafes. Meeting your children and grandchildren. Sport. Going outside. Dissent. Shopping. Cinemas. Meeting your parents or grandparents. Christmas. Work

Required in 2021 but not 1984

Masks. Mass medical experiments. Imprisonment in Care Hones. Mobile phones. The requirement to pay for your own imprisonment. Facial recognition. Vast DNA databases. ANPR.

385682 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 23, #143 of 1669 🔗

Masks are central to the 2006 Clive Owen movie Inside Man.
Masked bank robbers force dozens of hostages to wear masks for hours on end and use other tactics to confuse and destabilize them mentally.
They have very good reason for doing this.

385838 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to karenovirus, 3, #144 of 1669 🔗

I LOVE that film!

385827 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #145 of 1669 🔗

Schooling.

386627 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #146 of 1669 🔗

I appreciate you’re probably not being pedantic, but I don’t recall Christmas featuring in the book. Dissent was only allowed when projected at the nation’s chosen foreign enemy and shopping was extremely restricted – particularly the items you can buy. I don’t recall cinemas featuring either.

What I would say is if any of those activities did exist in the book, they would be extremely limited/restricted and heavily monitored.

385673 Annie, replying to Annie, 56, #147 of 1669 🔗

Been reflecting that the Fascists really have to go on lying about asymptomatic transmission.Otherwise, even the occasional zombie might start saying to itself, ‘Doh, if I feel perfectly ok it doesn’t seem very likely that I’m ill, and if I’m not ill I can’t make other people ill, so I might as well get on with living my life.’ Oops, end of the bollox, pronto.

I get the occasional cold every year. From now on, should I assume that I have a permanent cold although I fell perfectly well?

I am reminded even more forcefully than before of Jules Romains’ satirical play Knock : ‘Tous les hommes bien portants sont des malades qui s’ignorent, ‘all healthy people are actually ill, they just don’t know it.’ A maxim which the protagonist applies with deadly effect to enslave the entire population for his own profit.

385675 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 15, #148 of 1669 🔗

How’s the asymptomatic broken leg?

385762 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #149 of 1669 🔗

I had it tested and it’s healing nicely.

385941 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #150 of 1669 🔗

I didn’t even know I had one. Thanks for pointing it out.

386520 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #151 of 1669 🔗

Priceless! Just laughed out loud!

386917 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #152 of 1669 🔗

Hang gliding.

385729 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 17, #153 of 1669 🔗

you not only have CV 19 even though you are fit, healthy, no symptoms…you also have – malaria, diarrhoea, TB, dengue, west nile, east nile (all the niles actually), SARS 1, Mad cow, Ebola, and itchy elbow which leads to licking balls syndrome…..in fact you need 15 vaxx’s and 15 passports….the vaxx’s will be delivered monthly of course due to variants, the licking balls one is particularly fierce and mutable.

385765 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to FerdIII, 5, #154 of 1669 🔗

Again you make a valid point. It is possible for any of these diseases to be present and if they tested us to the nth degree would no doubt be found. However our immune systems reject them and we do not get sick even though we know they exist.

386405 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FerdIII, 5, #155 of 1669 🔗

Dee Nile?

386523 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #156 of 1669 🔗

That’s the one that lockdown supporters suffer from!

385752 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Annie, 14, #157 of 1669 🔗

Re the asymptomatic bollox: a couple of times recently I’ve said, “if I haven’t got a fiver in my purse I can’t lend it to you can I?”
A half smile is the reaction I get (even though it’s not a particularly clever analogy).

385839 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, #158 of 1669 🔗

Yes, moreso you should assume you have COVID and are at deaths door.

385892 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Annie, 11, #159 of 1669 🔗

Have you seen this Annie? Henna Maria talks very emotionally about the “curse of asymptomatic transmission”. Also Reiner Fuellmich, the German lawyer, says it is the key to all the fear. “Everyone is a threat.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KIYtfDlXvE&feature=share

386415 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ken Gardner, 4, #160 of 1669 🔗

Yes, the most brilliant part of the whole CCP psyop.

386571 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #161 of 1669 🔗

Yes, and I also understand this is a key part of Fuellmich’s action against Drosten and others, who perpetrated the myth that the woman who first brought the virus to Germany from Wuhan was asymptomatic. Fuellmich claims she had symptoms and was taking flu medications!

387073 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #162 of 1669 🔗

That, and the wicked mantra of knicker-your-face-to-protect- me , which restrains many a victim from taking the filthy, useless nappy off.

385680 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 22, #163 of 1669 🔗

What a act of pure spite banning flights from the UAE.All those pictures of reality stars enjoying normal life in Dubai over Christmas just wouldn’t do.

385891 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jonathan Palmer, #164 of 1669 🔗

Yes poor pratty, she won’t look like that in a thong, so I’ll ban all of you. So somebody else’s living you are taking away! Non essential to who?

385681 Cecil B, 1, #165 of 1669 🔗

The three cheques are in the post

385684 Annie, replying to Annie, 27, #166 of 1669 🔗

The most excellent Irreverend at work again:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/irreverend-faith-and-current-affairs/id1528967755

Among other things, they discuss the ghastly ‘Look in my eyes’ ads and ask: so how did these harrowing victims catch the bug? Were they sticking to the rules?Or did they catch it in hospital?If so, whose fault was that?’

Good questions.

Also some excellent advice: stop watching the TV news. Advice that I hope we are all following anyway!

And an excellent point about the attempt to suppress dissent: the entire British legal system and parliamentary system depend on opposition and debate. To suppress debate is characteristic of totalitarianism.

Indeed.

PS. You don’t need to be a Christian to appreciate this series, though of course it helps.

385707 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 8, #167 of 1669 🔗

If Jesus of Nazareth, the Palestinian prophet & teacher, were alive today, do you think he would want to want to be a Christian???

385743 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 19, #168 of 1669 🔗

Not in any of the established churches, that’s for sure.
Can you imsgine Jesus refusing to heal anybody except asymptomatic lepers, and telling with relish how the Good Samaritan was arrested and heavily fined for breaking lockdown rules?

385758 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Annie, 15, #169 of 1669 🔗

Thank you for making the point about asymptomatic leprosy. I would love to shake your hand.

385900 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 12, #170 of 1669 🔗

Its kinda ironic that its the Jews of New York who have stood up to the tyrant Cuomo and have been living normally despite constant police harassment.

385793 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bungle, #171 of 1669 🔗

Minus vote for asking a question – free speech really has gone out of the window!

385802 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bungle, 1, #172 of 1669 🔗

Christian? It’s a broad church.

385799 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Annie, 4, #173 of 1669 🔗

It’s good isn’t it. I’m quite lapsed but found myself considering going back if there are priests like this, I had no idea, assumed they were all like Justin Welty.

385688 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #174 of 1669 🔗

The experts often refer to the benefits of following China , let’s the morons in charge don’t see this :-

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/china-coronavirus-new-invasive-quarantine-rules-lunar-new-year/13094370

385742 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #175 of 1669 🔗

Yes, let’s copy a repressive regime.

385953 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tom Blackburn, #176 of 1669 🔗

All SAGE experts couldn’t come with anything better – follow the science aka follow china! And the clown just went happily along!

385987 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheClone, 4, #177 of 1669 🔗

China does not use the Crosten PCR-

A ‘case’ must be symptomatic by the Chinese definition.

385689 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 32, #178 of 1669 🔗

Johnson: So, we’ve got them masked, tracked, jabbed and terrified, hanging on my every word for salvation. Winter’s end will mean the numbers will go down. How can we keep them humiliated and stop them getting upitty, guys n gals? (warbles, rolls cigar and smirks) Well sir, says Whitty, the Chinese have come up with anal swabs…
Johnson: I like your style, Whitters.

385704 ▶▶ jos, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #179 of 1669 🔗

Will it be compulsory for children going back to school? It’s not communists / fascists – it’s the paedophile satanists running this scam..

385727 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #180 of 1669 🔗

would there be arse wiping drive thru test centres – roll down window, out goes the arse, in goes the detailed scrubbing, out comes the lovely bits to test. you know for efficiency sake.

385766 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), replying to FerdIII, 23, #181 of 1669 🔗

Like this?

385836 ▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #182 of 1669 🔗

Claggy on the waggy?

385866 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 1, #183 of 1669 🔗

Ahhhhhahahahahahahaha! That’s brilliant.

386021 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #184 of 1669 🔗

Clever picture, but that’s a very small size bottom!

385750 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #185 of 1669 🔗

I know I’ve posted this link before, but it seems apposite here.

http://viz.co.uk/015_bottom_inspectors/

386397 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #186 of 1669 🔗

“Yer bum’s oot the windae” was a popular phrase in Dundee when I worked there, similar to “Haud yer weesht”.

385691 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 12, #187 of 1669 🔗

the LS opener is always some bs from the Telegraph usually followed by the Spectator all very interesting but the record is stuck .
Surely the LS team would be better to give much more coverage to the non establishment voices,

Here’s an example of someone much more authentic than the likes of Sharon Peacock :-

https://vimeo.com/498561475

385804 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #188 of 1669 🔗

I am not hopeful that much will open this weekend,though there were several cars in the car park of our nearest village pub yesterday and last time that happened they set up a sort of outdoor takeaway.

385809 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #189 of 1669 🔗

Must say, I thought ATL was quite good today and I’m highly sensitive to compromise, which is why I no longer read the DT or subscribe to the Spectator.

385960 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Bugle, #190 of 1669 🔗

ATL?

386095 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jane G, 3, #191 of 1669 🔗

Jane, you iz neither hip nor iz you with-it, sister. Get real. Get on down with it. Be there, or be square. Beat me, daddy, eight to the bar.
ATL- above the line.
BTL- nice sandwich on malted bread.

385693 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #192 of 1669 🔗

I think the ruling Junta realise that this current nonsense is their last throw of the lockdown dice and that when they let up it will be hard to put the Genie back in the bottle and so they are playing this for as long as they can. What can be done to speed things up, to force their hand?
With regard to the re-opening protests this weekend it really needs a large group like Weatherspoons to come out and support it, to drive a wedge in the Gov’s lockdown but there is little sign of that happening. Do we just have to wait until something happens? e.g. PCR test ruled illegal, numbers drop, economy crashes, weather improves?
Or is there some action that can be taken?

385716 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #193 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think we can do much until the season changes and the academics show conclusively, looking back over 2 seasons of this virus that lockdowns don’t work

385916 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #194 of 1669 🔗

The Sunday trading laws were reformed when large retailers blatantly ignored them.

385965 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #195 of 1669 🔗

That’s what I scream at the radio every time I hear the smirking woman from the Tesco as telling me what I ‘must’ do in their stores. They were the first to break the law, then.

386085 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #196 of 1669 🔗

This is what I always bring to mind when someone starts descanting on about how the law must always be respected.

385695 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #197 of 1669 🔗

Stop Press 3 : New research in UK suggests the Pfizer vaccine with both doses administered is 100% effective against the fatal consequences of a meteorite landing on us.

Quick let’s all get vaccinated to stop getting killed by a meteorite

(same logic as the stop press 2 link above that the Pfizer vaccine with both doses administered is “99.96% effective”)

385724 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #198 of 1669 🔗

99.96% effective – 99.7 will survive the virus nicely. So it might save 0.26 % ? Possible. I would guess the vaxx might help 10-30% in reducing symptoms, for a large minority it is neutral and for 10-15% it is negative including deaths. Is killing 22 people in a home in Hampshire after taking the vaxx part of the 99.96% calc I wonder?

386623 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #199 of 1669 🔗

Debatable – we have to consider asymptomatic meteorites.

385697 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #200 of 1669 🔗

was the camridge debate good last night? I watched Brady and he was excellent then I turned off when the speaker after him came on – I couldnt face it

385736 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to steve_w, 6, #201 of 1669 🔗

Very good debate and worth watching in full. Of course I am biased, but put side by side the lockdown sceptic arguments were far stronger.

385746 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tommo, 1, #202 of 1669 🔗

thanks. I will watch tonight when its up on youtube

385833 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to steve_w, 6, #203 of 1669 🔗

I intend to watch later, including listening to the other side but I know it will annoy me.
Well done Toby, Richard and Sir Graham. It shows that common sense prevails when an adult discussion is allowed on the subject. Now, how can we get one of those on MSM?

385919 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to WasSteph, 3, #204 of 1669 🔗

Why would they bother? They are getting more clicks and government spending on adverts in their papers/websites. So keep it going till the government stops giving us money. Then of course we all pile in to bring them down and get lots of revenue from that. I wonder how much one of those look them in the eyes full page costs the government?

385890 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to steve_w, 3, #205 of 1669 🔗

Very worth watching. If nothing else as a lesson in how to not follow the motion, platform instead but still get the message across. Well that’s what the 14 year old grandson, an enthusiastic member of his school’s debating society, emailed me with

385982 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to steve_w, #206 of 1669 🔗

Who was allowed to vote, please?

385699 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 26, #207 of 1669 🔗

There isn’t going to be any roadmap out of lockdown/tiers. This is permanent and anybody who thinks differently is out of their mind.

Kids won’t go back until after Easter and then it will just be primary schools. We’ll all be in tier 4 until mid May. Then tier 3 until July. For July-October we’ll be tier 2, and then by next winter we’ll be in a full lockdown again for 4-5 months.

385702 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hubes, 21, #208 of 1669 🔗

The government needs to admit SAGE had failed. It followed their advice and we destroyed civil society AND performed way worse than Sweden

Time to retire SAGE and get a new SAGE. Could call them ‘SAGE_notretarded’

385703 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 7, #209 of 1669 🔗

ONION would be a better name

385706 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to mhcp, 6, #210 of 1669 🔗

Or Stuff Em!

385753 ▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to steve_w, 8, #211 of 1669 🔗

SAGE is packed with the academic labour party, people who can afford to be socialists. Its advice may occasionally be valid but it is wrong for the government not to take a wider range of advice when it is easily available to them.

385818 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Crimson Avenger, 3, #212 of 1669 🔗

People who hate us.

385964 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Bugle, 2, #213 of 1669 🔗

People who are heavily invested in the vaccination industry.

386046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Bill H, 4, #214 of 1669 🔗

On that subject, this video is fascinating, although I can’t vouch for its authenticity. Apparently CDC and Fauci have a patent on SARS viruses. The point is made that you can’t patent “nature” so either the virus is man made or the patent is not valid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKcSNrGf4dE&fbclid=IwAR12Bbj5ESaL0cAifynlG9xfsLFGtUp2031-jZaODJoTiqYOhn23EQ7hHEk

385944 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to steve_w, #215 of 1669 🔗

The government will NEVER admit that SAGE – they are friends by now and you don’t fire a friend!

386082 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, 7, #216 of 1669 🔗

I prefer SAGIE (pronounced saggy) – the scientific advisory group for imaginary emergencies.

385705 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Hubes, 25, #217 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I read that many are calling for zero Covid and lockdown until September. Well, when does respiratory season start – errr September, so as you say lockdown continues. We will NEVER achieve zero Covid, it is crazy to even consider it.

385708 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Thomasina, 32, #218 of 1669 🔗

anybody calling for zero covid is one of

1 – ignorant
2 – wants to bring down society (presumably so they can rebuild it to their specification)
3 – nuclear powered virtue signalling – calling for something that is impossible and then calling people heartless who say so

385735 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 14, #219 of 1669 🔗

4 stupid

385740 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 4, #220 of 1669 🔗

Dangerous people that should be our target.

386078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Tom Blackburn, #221 of 1669 🔗

People who believe, or purport to, that herd immunity is a policy option.

385783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 10, #222 of 1669 🔗

5 delusional

385848 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 6, #223 of 1669 🔗

6 – hilarious

385720 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Thomasina, 5, #224 of 1669 🔗

covidiots who believe you can eradicate flu family viruses….like saying we will achieve zero Co2….you know plant food that produce oxygen….brilliant minds.

385759 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Thomasina, 1, #225 of 1669 🔗

That is what happened in Scotland last year, probably in some failed attempt by the SNP to pretend they did better than England.

385874 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Thomasina, 3, #226 of 1669 🔗

DELUSIONAL ARROGANCE.

386632 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Thomasina, 1, #227 of 1669 🔗

Just nuke everything from orbit, to be safe! It’s like wasting time wiping your shopping with antibacterial wipes. Just cover your digestives in petrol and set fire to them. Only way to be sure.

385714 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hubes, 15, #228 of 1669 🔗

One issue will be; for how long are they going to keep these Covid test centres going? Presumably they are costing significant money to keep operating? If these start to close down, the dodgy numbers will go down and it will be more clearly seen that this is a hospital and care home disease and not a disease of universal concern.
Somehow we need to push the message don’t get tested, close the test centres.

385779 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #229 of 1669 🔗

And many of them are dead and an eyesore if they’re located in public parks. What is the purpose of them?

385821 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #230 of 1669 🔗

Lots of people don’t get tested. Those that do are either patients or workers in state-controlled institutions.

385927 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bugle, 4, #231 of 1669 🔗

Most of the tests are retests for people who are being forced into getting tested like health workers.

385718 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hubes, 8, #232 of 1669 🔗

Agree, I feel the same. Some respite in the summer. Diapers mandatory. I am expecting surgical masks to be mandatory by next winter.

No schools will reopen for those above age 10.
Full LD in September to ‘get ahead of the latest scary variant’.

More death porn cranked up by fake data. CV 19 will be renamed Plague 21 etc. As they always do, one infectious disease is ‘resolved’ but they simply change the name to something else (more vaxx, more drugs etc) and ramp up the fear.

385816 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Hubes, 12, #233 of 1669 🔗

Yes, Johnson is an inveterate liar. I’m waiting for the 1922 committee to wake up to the fact that every time he promises some concession or other, his government confects a fresh crisis out of dubious data and takes it away again.

385946 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bugle, 2, #234 of 1669 🔗

Don’t hold your breath! It will never happen!

385700 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 53, #235 of 1669 🔗

LS readers may have come across the group in the west of Canada who have declared ‘Common Law Assemblies’ which declare masks & lockdowns to be “unlawful, unwarranted and medically unsound (which) threaten and assault our fundamental liberties health and security”. When you look into it, you may conclude the guy leading it is a crank but, actually, what he says is how it should be i. e. democratic, up to the individual. Does this help us in our willingness to act instead of writing self-congratulatory nonsense?
Yes, and I’m starting in Tesco’s Ilkley this morning at 9 O’clock -please come and video. Tesco and other supermarkets have taken the extraordinary step of deciding to attack the vulnerable who are exempt from wearing a mask. The keys here are these logical points which many don’t seem to understand – first, you can exempt yourself if “putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress”. Second, “you do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this. You do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional”. These are the government website’s own words and this means you decide whether you are stressed or not. Now here is what you probably don’t know – the supermarket is not allowed to ask you about masks and, if an employee does twice, they are committing a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act. Why, you may wonder, has the government left this loophole and here is the crux and link back to the Canadian ‘crank’? The 1998 Human Rights Act supersedes this mickey mouse legislation and lawyers advised the government they could be in real trouble if they really did copy China. Spread the word and carry the government’s words when you go shopping, maskless, of course!

385726 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bungle, 11, #236 of 1669 🔗

Good luck and please film it!

385773 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #237 of 1669 🔗

Will do – give us a like.

385733 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 8, #238 of 1669 🔗

My best wishes and prayers, Bungle!
My dog is proud to share your name.

385770 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 3, #239 of 1669 🔗

X Have you liked me?

387080 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, #240 of 1669 🔗

I only like dogs.

385842 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Annie, 1, #241 of 1669 🔗

I had a dog called Bungle!

385709 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #242 of 1669 🔗

The other day I reccomended Mark Kermode’s secrets of Cinema to fellow sceptics.
The last episode concerned “cult” films one of which showed a actor really eating dog sh×t.
You know what’s coming next don’t you?
If the “experts” “advised” the government to “advise” people to do so, do FS’S think there would be a shortage of dog sh×t?

386171 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Fingerache Philip, #243 of 1669 🔗

Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom? If you haven’t seen it, proceed with caution. An allegory of our times.

386387 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip, #244 of 1669 🔗

At least we could make some money in puppy farming.

385710 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 24, #245 of 1669 🔗

comment BTL on the Times article about Patel’s plan to stop us from leaving the country:

I am not particularly objecting, but doesn’t the government have to put these things forward and subject them to a vote, a bill, before they become law?

sad and pathetic to watch the slowly creaking machinery in the mind of the normie registering that there’s something not quite right here, a faint and barely detectable alarm bell going off

385711 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JaneHarry, 19, #246 of 1669 🔗

The island becomes a large prison – to stop a virus, the vaxx etc won’t stop transmission. 99.7% will survive. You could make the same argument about any infectious disease including the ‘normal flu’. you don’t shut down and imprison an entire country over 100 K dying from an infectious disease, of which maybe 50% died with, not from it. More dead will result from that policy than from the infection.

385721 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 8, #247 of 1669 🔗

You’re right but many of us have known this for quite some time, nevertheless, this evil government and their academics are determined to make us suffer, can it be because we voted to leave the EU against their wishes and this is pay back? I wish I knew the answer, but what they are doing is a crime and they must pay!

385755 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #248 of 1669 🔗

Last March I told colleagues that the only future job would be in the Corona KGB. They all sniggered. It is only for 2 weeks they said. Don’t be a doom and gloomer they advised. We need to help each other they offered. We are all in this together they decided. It will end, evthg will be fine, V shaped recovery they guaranteed.

Now they are not so sure I was such a ‘crank’.

385713 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 26, #249 of 1669 🔗

My alarm bells have been going off since last March! I didn’t think it was possible to ‘hate’ quite as much as I do.

385732 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 25, #250 of 1669 🔗

Agreed.
Or to love liberty, normality, courage, truth, decency, and all the little innocent things of life, quite so much.

385949 ▶▶▶ Draefend, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #251 of 1669 🔗

I actually hate the fact that I was ranting about this last March when forced out of Spain with a large tour group I organised and no-one else saw anything possibly amiss.

Nearly one year on and only 4 or 5 of that group (10% approx) now think that something odd is going on.

These are not stupid people…or at least didn’t think they were.

385730 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #252 of 1669 🔗

And in come the illegals on their lilos.

385853 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 4, #253 of 1669 🔗

She really is a despicable combination of useless and authoritarian. I really hope for a decent alternative by the next election (she is my MP) or I’ll have to spoil my ballot paper with a short essay on why none of the above as I did in the last locals.

386190 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to WasSteph, 2, #254 of 1669 🔗

I think she is about the worst…very much the combination you say.

385712 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 16, #255 of 1669 🔗

I have just finished reading this book: ‘The British Constitution and the Corruption of Parliament’, by Ben Greene. The book was recommended in a UK Column podcast on Common Law. It is a collection of essays originally written for the AK Chesterton (not to be confused with GK) Society which were originally written between 1950 and 1980. It is hard to believe they were not written yesterday as they are remarkably prescient. Almost every line in these writings seems to apply directly to our current situation.

Here is a taste:

‘The Party system has not only engrossed the whole authority of the nation into its hands, but can successfully prevent the influence of any shade of opinion or the demand the redress of grievance in Parliament: it permits only its own policy to be given effective expression’.

The only remedy which the party system is able to propose is a coalition of the parties under some resounding name of national solidarity. By this means the party system can protect itself from the mutual recrimination for the collapse and failure of all its rival policies.’

‘The British system of government based on professional party politicians has palpably failed. ……. the party politicians assumed control of the most powerful industrial, mercantile and financial nation the world has ever seen, governed on principles of civil and and political liberty by which all progressive thought throughout the civilised world was guided and inspired.’

He quotes AV Dicey, author of ‘Law of the Constitution’, writing in 1914, ‘ The ancient veneration for the rule of law in England has suffered during the last thirty years a marked decline. The truth of this assertion is proved by actual legislation, by the existence in some cases a certain distrust both of the law and the judges and by some marked tendency towards the use of lawless methods for the attainment of social and political ends’. Quite!

Greene’s solution is to re-establish parliament as truly representative of the people and he suggests that prospective MPs should be chosen through some form of local democratic process.

It seems that Oliver Cromwell had it about right: Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament 20 April 1653:

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!

So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!”

385728 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 13, #256 of 1669 🔗

The present evil has been lurking in the body politic for a long time. It is now manifest as a foul, ugly boil full of stinking moral pus.
Maybe we mow have a chance to lancet the boil.

385908 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 10, #257 of 1669 🔗

Yes, one way or another this evil was going to show its face. Covid is just the vehicle; had it not been covid it would have been something else. I’ve believed that since last April, when the thought suddenly popped into my head out of nowhere.

This is a battle for the soul of our society. And I remain confident – and I hope not complacent – that, eventually, the evil doers will over-reach and destroy themselves.

I feel in my bones that the perpetrators of this evil, wallowing in smugness, self-importance and virtue as they now are, will face a terrible backlash in the fullness of time.

385717 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 87, #258 of 1669 🔗

I really don’t think I have ever felt more depressed or disillusioned. We have been right about so much throughout this crisis and most notably that lockdown was a mistake that has done a huge amount of damage and will ultimately cost more lives than the virus.

However, we are clearly not winning this argument. We are the prophets who are not welcome in their own land, to use a biblical metaphor. The pro lockdown side has such a grip on the media and the academy and, as always, it is the victors who will write the history of this time. Lockdown sceptics had better get used to being viewed with hostility and ignominy for a very, very long time.

We can mutter “I told you so” under our breath for the rest of our lives but the cognitive dissonance apparent in 80% of the public means that nobody is going to be connecting the dots from lockdown to Mrs A’s cancer of Mr B’s suicide anytime soon.

We have witnessed the end of times in in terms of western democracy and everything we thought our nation was. We have been revealed as an infantile, cowardly people ruled by monomaniacal egotists.

I see no point in debating or arguing with people outside the LS circle about it anymore: it’s cost me too many family and friends who I can no longer respect and now barely even like. Some may come over to our side when reality starts to bite but our views have been (wickedly in my opinion) portrayed as so fundamentally immoral by the likes of the cretinous O’Brien and Morgan that people are as likely to listen to our arguments as they are to sign up to strangle kittens!

Sorry to be so gloomy. Please feel free to try and persuade me I’m wrong.

385722 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 46, #259 of 1669 🔗

The war isn’t over yet and no victory has been declared.
When Darwin and Wallace first published the most powerful theory ever advanced in science, they were pilloried and derided, not least by the scientific establishment of the day. A question was set in the Cambridge Natural Sciences tripos requiring candidates to explain why the theory was wrong.
Who won the victory there?
JUST DON’T GIVE UP.

385731 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Annie, 26, #260 of 1669 🔗

Darwin had the benefit of living in an age of enquiry and exploration and did not have to contend with a mass media walking in lockstep with a globalist agenda. We only have to look at the way the GBD scientists are treated to see how even people of their calibre are derided.

385734 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 42, #261 of 1669 🔗

Once the hysteria falls away (matter of weeks), the inquiries start. Keep the faith.

385745 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 23, #262 of 1669 🔗

yes, I think the hysteria will reduce and until that point there is nothing we can do

I have had a lot of contact with my CRG member MP. Very much against lockdowns but voted for all of them.

My latest email was ‘…given the harms I have outlined, I trust you will vote against these new restrictions’ and his answer contained some nonsense about the new variant. He was clearly in hysteria mode.

I think a lot of emails to go out to MPs in a month’s time looking back on 2 seasons of this virus and comparing free-Sweden with unfree-Europe

385896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to steve_w, 7, #263 of 1669 🔗

I’m impressed your MP still writes back. I’ve gone onto my MPs naughty list for taking up too much time

385948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to EllGee, 7, #264 of 1669 🔗

SNAP! I was officially told to stop writing to mine. He’s too busy dealing with high priority covid issues … although I haven’t once seen an initiative he’s been involved with. £84K+ per year? Dosh well spent (well, compared to PPE or T&T, I suppose).

386437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HaylingDave, 3, #265 of 1669 🔗

Plus the extra £10k they got to facilitate working from home.

386485 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #266 of 1669 🔗

Yes! The lunacy will fail at first slowly, then very suddenly.

The most annoying thing will be that “everyone is a sceptic now” like the French Resistance, once the War has been won.

387138 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #267 of 1669 🔗

It is we little people who will have to make the effort to end this nightmare – made more sinister, and perhaps more devastating , by the lights of perverted “vaccines”. (Apologies to WSC)

385749 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, -12, #268 of 1669 🔗

Darwinism has been disproven more times than the Islam is peace nonsense.
How did DNA self form? Why would a wolf become a whale? How does perfect design arise from chaos?
Basic micro biology has disproven Darwinism.
Not a good example to use.

385854 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to FerdIII, 2, #269 of 1669 🔗

Yes it’s important to point out that Darwinism is an example of observational science rather than experimental science. The general principle that evolution is a series of incremental steps appears sound but the problem is that it doesn’t explain biological dead-ends or that we consist of a lot of junk as opposed to DNA. As a vague idea it stands better up against Intentional design but that’s about it.

And it’s actually not the main principle in biology. The Red Queen theory that Matt Ridley is famous is an addition to basic Darwinism where you need an antagonist to evolve but you are never really out of its shadow.

Darwinism isn’t the same thing as the Principle of Least Energy because you can test that even though it also is quite esoteric.

386385 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FerdIII, #270 of 1669 🔗

Mouse you mean.

387319 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to FerdIII, #271 of 1669 🔗

Of course it’s been disproven (so far as anything can be disproven or proven). Once ideas get lodged in people’s heads though, they are very difficult to dislodge.

385893 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 2, #272 of 1669 🔗

The notion that Darwin was pilloried by the scientific community for his On the Origin of Species is not just false, it is absurd. The striking thing about the reception of On the Origin… is just how readily it was accepted.

387064 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #273 of 1669 🔗

Depends when, where and whom you’re referring to.

387318 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #274 of 1669 🔗

and now the theory (hypothesis or philosophy really) of these amateur scientists(or amateur philosophers?) – which if they knew what is known now by science they might have rejected if we look at their own words – is core establishment belief. and, as it happens, responsible for the deaths of millions of people. (i suspect i’m not going to make many friends saying this. the power of propaganda…)

the prservation of favoured races indeed

385737 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 15, #275 of 1669 🔗

I understand how you feel and often feel the same. Then in moments of lucidity we should take comfort when the argument at a university full of ‘post modern’ thinkers at the height of propaganda campaign gives me a lot of hope. You can no more control truth than a virus. Time is our friend and their enemy.

385739 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 2, #276 of 1669 🔗

I the argument against lockdown carried.

385741 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #277 of 1669 🔗

Fear not, in the time of the flat earth, people who said the world was round were the sceptics.

385756 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #278 of 1669 🔗

You are not wrong and much of this hoo-haa has laid bare the paucity of intelligence and integrity in our public and political life. But just as viruses have an ebb and a low in their activity so does the life of a nation and things will move on.
The news was reporting a surge of people optimistically booking holidays in the expectation that this will be all over soon and they can go on holiday, this ruling dictatorship Junta may be appalling and obnoxious but they are not totally stupid and I think they can sense the growing swell of expectation in the people. They are desperately trying to keep this going as long as possibly in the hope that come the Cornish G7 meeting in June Uberfuhrer Johnson can stand up as the Global super hero who took on Covid and triumphed.
Also around June time we have the Queens birthday honours list, I predict Knighthoods for Hancock & Witty. Once Johnson is declared global superhero and his underlings have their gongs then I think the pressure will ease off.

385803 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #279 of 1669 🔗

You may be right but it will all be presented as the fruits of lockdown. We can have our holidays and Whitty can have his gong because we were good. Those of us who disputed the efficacy of lockdown will continue to be vilified as the covidiots who killed tens of thousands of additional people and prolonged lockdown for months by not “getting with the programme”. You think Bojo can claim victory with supposedly 100K+ Covid deaths? They are going to need to be blamed on someone other then himself and lockdown sceptics are being fattened up as the scapegoats.

385844 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #280 of 1669 🔗

I think you’re onto something thing. It struck me the other day that narcissist Johnson’s instinct is always to take the lead, make himself look heroic. That’s why he put himself at the head of vaccination and wants a leading role in the WEF. Hancock is, for his own dark reasons, also keen to put himself at the helm and we must anticipate (with nausea) his forthcoming Davos speech – something about disease being the driving force of the new world economy?

385761 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 17, #281 of 1669 🔗

I know how you feel and there are times I yo-yo between optimism and despair.

However we need to keep the faith. The fact that the government are resorting to more lies and manipulation can only mean one thing – they’re running scared.

Truth will prevail in the end.

385768 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #282 of 1669 🔗

Gandhi won

385812 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #283 of 1669 🔗

Gandhi wasn’t portrayed by a rabid media as being responsible for murdering tens of thousands of grannies. We will be.

385864 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #284 of 1669 🔗

Wear it with pride.

386156 ▶▶ Jo, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #285 of 1669 🔗

Being a pessimist, I’ve had lots of bad days lately but today there is a glimmer of good news. That Human Rights stuff about the vaccine – very good. There is a lot going on about the vaccines generally, there are medics questioning their efficacy and safety. There is beginning to be (far too late of course) more focus on the incredible harm to children and young people.
Also – more interesting articles in the round up today – unlike previously.
Let’s hope the candle of light at the end of the tunnel doesn’t get blown out.

386238 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #286 of 1669 🔗

I agree with much of what you say. I think this kind of thing has been a long time coming. You see it in terms of the erosion of free speech,the growth of the nanny state, the conversion of the police from citizens in uniform to a state enforcement machine etc etc.

I also agree about the people who support this…I no longer want such people in my life even if they are former friends or even family. How can I like people who want to destroy every kind of civilisation we have known. Almost nothing is allowed now other than eating and using technology in the home. This is disastrous for people’s weight and mental and physical health.

I simply no longer contact anyone who supports this…as far as I am concerned they are collaborators in evil and are effectively lost to a cult to which
I do not belong.

386482 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #287 of 1669 🔗

You aren’t wrong; keep the faith. We will be proved right in the end and victory will be all the sweeter.

386682 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #288 of 1669 🔗

You won’t be able to say “I told you so” because the vaccinated won’t be around to listen, as if they ever did. Yes it does seem futile trying to convince the brain dead masses and so I have largely cut them out of my life.

387135 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #289 of 1669 🔗

The Great Reopening. Hope you can find an eatery/watering hole to your taste tomorrow.

385748 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #290 of 1669 🔗

Why haven’t Suneptra Gupta, Carl Henegan etc sued Neil O’Brien etc?

385786 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #291 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I was wondering that.

385840 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #292 of 1669 🔗

They may not know he exists, or are uninterested in what he has to say. He is a collossal waste of time, after all.

385886 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #293 of 1669 🔗

Exactly. Why would they waste their energy on an idiot like O’Brien?

385957 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #294 of 1669 🔗

Unlike LS who want to keep this going because it named Toby. Its just another know nothing MP gobbling off. Little people jumping on bandwagons. If the narrative changes and we suddenly learn about all the corruption and waste that have happened and the msm starts highlighting the mismanagement of the nhs, this twat will dissappear and never be heard of again.

386097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #295 of 1669 🔗

It’s like those reality stars and celebs who want their 15 minutes of fame isn’t it?

And many of these creeps have overstayed their welcome and really need to go.

385954 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #296 of 1669 🔗

They are too classy to stoop ……..

386374 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom Blackburn, #297 of 1669 🔗

Going to law is a casino at the best of times and these are not those (unless they put it all on 22).

386653 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Tom Blackburn, #298 of 1669 🔗

Carl Henegan was on JHB’s show on TalkRadio earlier. First time I’ve seen him in a while.

385751 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 9, #299 of 1669 🔗

Accountability is another word that has been redefined. It now refers exclusively to the progressive reduction of the powerless by the powerful. Accountability goes in only one direction, the proles are accountable to their masters.

Lynn pays lip service to the basic human right of bodily autonomy, but asserts that those who withhold consent to an invasive medical procedure should accept the ‘consequence’ of unemployment. In this position, we have the autonomy of an enslaved concubine in the sultan’s harem, who may withhold consent but must accept the consequences. Lynn tacitly admits this represents a change in the current status of the citizen, and the human, as he demands new legislation to make it happen.

But what of Lynn’s accountability? He publishes an article attacking the basic human right of bodily autonomy and endangering the established relationship of the state with citizens. If I were to suggest that of course he should have the right of free expression, but if he uses it in this manner he should accept Laudian consequences (severing of his writing hand, plucking out of his tongue), that would be construed as incitement. But is Lynn not guilty of incitement to the violation of human rights? To whom is he accountable for that?

Mogg says we should be accountable for what we say. Does he accept that he and his colleagues should be personally accountable for their actions? Does he accept that, should the political mood or (which is now the same thing) the scientific consensus move against them, they should suffer personal humiliation in public, and civil disabilities against themselves legislated by a future parliament? Or does accountability for the powerful mean only, as it means for Facebook, a low key admission to having ‘made a mistake’ with no further consequences (regardless of how many deaths may be attributable to that ‘mistake’)?

385763 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ovis, 2, #300 of 1669 🔗

Lynn embodies the “world must change for me” mantra. If you don’t like the risk Matthew then stop driving and stay at home in your bubble. Because we could equally just say that if you don’t have a science degree then you should shut your mouth reporting on science issues.

385754 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #301 of 1669 🔗

Hi All, NEW PODCAST is out (it’s in the roundup – cheers!)

We discuss the way out of this mess. Now we have vaccines what should we be doing to open up the country…and when?

We also chat about the vaccine rollout, school closures, WHO and CDC PCR testing notices and implications, is there a price on life? At what cost to the young?

Plus all our usual chats and songs along the way.

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7537837-ep-17-the-way-out

Leave us a review on itunes PLEASE! We’re in the Top 200 now – lets spread the sceptic message!

Email us: therealnormalpodcast@gmail.com
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/realnormalpod

385757 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #302 of 1669 🔗

Also you’ll find NOT Neil Fergusons Horoscope Phone Line call in!

385767 mhcp, 12, #304 of 1669 🔗

One of the things I have noticed recently being back in the real workforce is that it isn’t about individuals and how they feel about the measures, it’s about Health and Safety directives laid down either by environmental officers or departments.

You follow along because it’s your job or your business on the line. It’s not a nice position to be in.

The key issue here though is that how can any future HS advice be taken seriously? If you fell for the Covid scare what else is in your blindspot?

385771 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 5, #305 of 1669 🔗

Here is another NHS ad to complain to the Advertising Standards Agency about:

https://twitter.com/RWT_NHS/status/1354731218475036683/photo/1

‘Safe’ – means without risk

‘… the more people that have the vaccine, the sooner we can all go back to our normal lives.’ Not according to SAGE spokesmen.

385817 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 12, #306 of 1669 🔗

Why don’t the NHS simply advocate people commit seppuku to keep safe and to stop the spread of the virus?

Because that’s the sense I’m getting from all these manipulative adverts.

And if they’re constantly whining about being short of cash then where is the money coming from to pay for these adverts?

385888 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 8, #307 of 1669 🔗

The propaganda is out of control.

385772 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 57, #308 of 1669 🔗

The self-styled hardman Neil O’Brein MP likes to go after lockdown sceptics when he is backed up by the rabid Covid fanatics of Twitter, but would he be brave enough to venture into the centre of Market Harborough in his constituency, and give a speech extolling the virtues of lockdowns amidst a backdrop of shuttered pubs, restaurants and hairdressers?

I’m guessing not, because like the rest of this rotten government save for a couple of diamonds, he is a spineless coward hiding behind the mainstream narrative.

Remember their names, people.

385788 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 12, #309 of 1669 🔗

And of course he’s cushioned by 2 homes (one in a lovely part of London no doubt), drawing a salary of over 80K, can claim expenses and a generous pension when he leaves.

He’s away in la-la land that he has no inkling of how the policies he endorses have ruined people’s lives.

He won’t dare venture out as well. Can you imagine if he’s recognised then beaten up?

386369 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #310 of 1669 🔗

80K is just the walking around money, allowances, subsidies, kick backs from no bid contracts etc. are where the real money is.

385792 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 12, #311 of 1669 🔗

Archive everything from these collaborators
They will backtrack and try to acid wash all the evidence

387077 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #312 of 1669 🔗

No chance. If it is, or has been, on a computer or on the Net, it’s recoverable and our lawyers will fund it.
Book your cell in Nuremberg, O’Brien.

386029 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Scotty87, 4, #313 of 1669 🔗

Depends. Has MArket Harborough got a pillory? Otherwise, select a more suitable venue.

385780 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #314 of 1669 🔗

Looking ahead, what vehicle is most likely ensure that the truth about the preparedness and response to SARS-CoV2 and Covid-19 prevails?

a Public Inquiry
a Royal Commission
a Parliamentary Commission

Would there be a case for a specific ‘Preparedness and Response to SARS-CoV2 and Covid-19’ Tribunal?

385784 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #315 of 1669 🔗

It must not be under the control of parliament.

385795 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 6, #316 of 1669 🔗

“None of the above”. I very much doubt we will see a true accounting in our lifetime.

385805 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #317 of 1669 🔗

There needs to be an independent scientific enquiry.
There needs to be an independent healthcare preparedness and response enquiry.
There needs to be an independent policy preparedness and response enquiry.
This should be a Royal Commission overseen by a QC.

385937 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #318 of 1669 🔗

There will be none! Btw, what are you smoking?

385781 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #319 of 1669 🔗

Are vaccines killing people. This graph looks increasingly like the ‘smoking gun’.

https://principia-scientific.com/horrific-spike-in-over-80s-death-after-covid-vaccine-rollout/

385887 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 4, #320 of 1669 🔗

I’m very concerned for those who had the Flu Jab and now the Covid jab and the possible repercussions. The signs are not looking good.

386020 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #321 of 1669 🔗

I had a text message this morning inviting me for a flu jab. A bit late in the season I thought. Perhaps they want to prine my immune system for the covid “vaccine” later.

385785 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #322 of 1669 🔗

Has anyone noticed the irony of the Germans not using the AstraZeneca vaccine for the over 65’s because it hasn’t been tested enough?
Thalidomide was produced in Germany, was not tested fully on pregnant women, despite this it was licensed in the U.K. and a British manufacturer licensed to produce it.
The USA refused to license it because the FDA weren’t happy with the test data provided by the manufacturers.
Perhaps Germany has learnt from this, whilst the U.K. has not.

385800 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to p02099003, 7, #323 of 1669 🔗

True but I’m more worried about the Pfizer mRNA genetic experiment. Not that I’ll be taking either. The can shove both up their…

385851 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Ross Hendry, 4, #324 of 1669 🔗

Along with the swab?

386009 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 3, #325 of 1669 🔗

Wonder if it is not because of Dr Fuellmich’s court cases?

Parallel to all these efforts, the Italian lawyer Dr. Renate Holzeisen is working with us and experts on a lawsuit against the EU Commission to have its approval of vaccines declared null & void – vaccines which are de facto untested and highly dangerous – in the case of the manufacturers BioNtech/Pfizer and Moderna, these are prohibited genetic experiments on humans . Meanwhile, the superbly versed and hard-hitting anti-Mafia public prosecutors are investigating the WHO and its Italian backers. In France work is progressing on a complaint to the Court for Human Rights.

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/latest-lockdown-lawsuits-update-by-top-international-lawyer-reiner-fuellmich/

385787 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #326 of 1669 🔗

Just need to fix the main headline

“Government Planning “Phased” Exit Strategy”
should read
“Government Claim to be Planning “Phased” Exit Strategy, but why would anyone believe a word they say?
And the first paragraph

The Telegraph reports that ministers are working on a “three-stage” plan to end lockdown in Britain, with officials preferring a phased approach where restrictions are eased at least a month apart so the impact can be monitored.

should read

The Telegraph reports that ministers are working on a “three-stage” plan to end the current phase of lockdown in Britain, moving into a summer phase akin to previous Tier 2, with officials preferring a phased approach where restrictions are eased at least a month apart so the impact can be monitored.

386161 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 2, #327 of 1669 🔗

“Restrictions eased at least a month apart” so that they can be re-imposed. This government has no intention of giving up control of the public.

386670 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Julian, #328 of 1669 🔗

aka ‘a little hope’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtuBqolFOVs

Art imitates life, life imitates art.

385796 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 25, #329 of 1669 🔗

My blood pressure suffered again yesterday!
Went to Lloyds bank only to find it shut because they had reduced opening hours…I rang the bell and asked them what was going on to be told ‘there is a pandemic’.
So I explained that if they wanted to help they should extend opening hours to reduce interaction rather than bunch people up in fewer hours, the reply I got was ‘you should not leave your house’.
I then tried to call Lloyds customer service…waste of time…after 23 minutes on hold still no one had answered the phone.
Next stop doctors’ surgery for a repeat prescription (the online service had failed). I was not let in and had to discuss my medical issues outside on the street communicating via an intercom.

385814 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MFvH, 12, #330 of 1669 🔗

Unfortunately common sense is another victim of this crisis. When we had visitors whining that no-one was social distancing, I questioned the managers that why are we shut two days a week then reasoned that if we’re open everyday then people would spread themselves out more.

Of course I never got a reply to my question.

385869 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to MFvH, 5, #331 of 1669 🔗

Welcome to the (Boris’s) pleasure dome.

385875 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #332 of 1669 🔗

😂 😂

386002 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MFvH, 2, #333 of 1669 🔗

Unacceptable!!!

Had to wait 47 minutes on the phone before Barclays answered my call. Looks as if the Banks furloughed many of their customer services people – not sure why, especially as they work from home.

386673 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to MFvH, #334 of 1669 🔗

Sounds like a great time to transfer banks!

385797 alw, replying to alw, 33, #335 of 1669 🔗

As usual Bob Moran hits the nail on the head.

“Understanding the total lunacy of the situation we are currently in requires far more wisdom than intelligence.We have learned over the past year that many undeniably intelligent and learned people are not in the least bit wise.It goes without saying that some of the wisest people you will ever encounter in your life will also be some of the least academically qualified.” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1354854273469845512 )

385950 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to alw, 14, #336 of 1669 🔗

That describes me. The least academically qualified and have been extremely disappointed in people I used to envy for being smarter than me. If intelligence is in wisdom, I’m now smarter than them.

387100 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Just about sane, 1, #337 of 1669 🔗

In The film Billy Liar his Dad said ‘if thats an education…I’m glad I’m bloody ignorant!’

385798 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #338 of 1669 🔗
385847 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #339 of 1669 🔗

I have only read about 10% of these, but this is extremely concerning.

385801 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 17, #340 of 1669 🔗

If government continues their current thinking the only logical conclusion I can come to is:
No end of restrictions as there will always be the issue if new variants and some people not developing immunity after vaccination. On top of that the NHS will be overwhelmed for a long time dealing with backlog non-Covid cases (the ones that haven’t died already)

385811 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MFvH, 21, #341 of 1669 🔗

I’ve always thought that the NHS were stupid. Did no-one think that locking down an entire population would mean that they will be overwhelmed by people with untreated illnesses, mental health issues or battling domestic violence & substance abuse?

Or were they so blinded by their nomenklatura status that they kept quiet for the sake of the freebies, gifts, priority shopping hours and hero status?

If that’s the case then they should realise that they can go from hero to zero in a snap and when the reckoning comes for them, it won’t be pretty.

385970 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #342 of 1669 🔗

They’re totally unaccountable, protect the nhs, the guy in charge will never be asked the, why did you remove beds, why did you not better plan for winter, why did you use a PCR test that was proven not fit for purpose, why did you not spend money on getting more nurses qualified the old fashioned way? Why did you close down doctors surgeries? Why have you still got a job you useless prick?

386102 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #343 of 1669 🔗

Yep and sadly we’ll never get the answers for all those questions.

386684 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #344 of 1669 🔗

The NHS could certainly use a ‘great reset’ of its own.

385806 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #345 of 1669 🔗

The headline is rather depressing and goes to show that the government is desperate to string this out for as long as they can. Never mind if more lives, businesses and the economy are destroyed. They don’t care because they’re not suffering.

Why does the government think we can be taken in by their phased reopening? It’s still a lockdown despite whatever names they give it. Why not be simply honest? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then IT IS A DUCK!

I had a chat with some colleagues yesterday and they’re not optimistic that we will open fully. Of course what that will mean is more redundancies will be in the pipeline.

385819 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #346 of 1669 🔗

Yes, ‘phased reopening’ is either a ploy to keep this going for longer (for whatever reason), or a ploy to make it seem as though the government are fully ‘in control’ of the virus and that the measures are absolutely necessary.

385845 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #347 of 1669 🔗

Exactly. I think a lot of this is to appease the lockdownistas and the brainwashed, those who are over-represented in the rigged polls that the government listens to.

387119 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, #348 of 1669 🔗

They don’t care because they’re not suffering.

They are serving their paymasters and following the plan.

Let us hope that tomorrow the Great Reopening throws a spanner in the works and sets us on the route to reinforcing our rights in perpetuity.

385808 alw, replying to alw, 5, #349 of 1669 🔗

To many, politicians have never seemed more out of touch with the realities we are living through. A low-tax, low-regulation environment is not just essential for the long-term success of businesses in the UK. It is also vital for the short-term survival of thousands of them.”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/28/boris-be-bold-or-beware-the-backlash/

385832 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to alw, 5, #350 of 1669 🔗

I think a ‘low politician’ count would help too.

385889 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Basileus, 3, #351 of 1669 🔗

Politicians u turned on a plan to reduce MPs from 650 to 600 when Cameron was PM – claiming there would be an increased workload post Brexit. LAst year Italians voted to slash the number of MPs from 630 to 400. Maybe it’s time for a new Petition/Referendum on this ?

385910 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to vargas99, 2, #352 of 1669 🔗

Agree. And I think it would be nice if we massively reduce their pay as well, ban expenses and no pension when they leave.

After all, its meant to be public service right? Not a career choice or a networking opportunity.

The sooner we do all these, the sooner we weed out pygmies like O’Brien, Ellwood, Sultana, Rayner, Moran, etc.

386426 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #353 of 1669 🔗

Performance related salary and pension would sort this nonsensical travesty out.

386581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #354 of 1669 🔗

I think that political parties are the real problem. We need MPs to be loyal to the electorate, nit the party.

385810 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #355 of 1669 🔗

Emily Hill in Spiked did an O’Brien by looking through Matt Hancocks old statements.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/28/shouldnt-we-expose-the-government-rather-than-its-critics/

The situation of Neil O’Brien trawling through old statements made by sceptics is of particular interest to me.

In the past I’ve had discussions about surveillance and the Big Brother state. The conversation nearly always includes “if you’re doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about”. My usual response to this is that given enough data on any person it wouldn’t be hard to make seemingly innocent actions look like something more nefarious.

Everything we post on social media or put in the public domain can be used against us if it suits somebody to do so. Now if, like me, you’re careful what you put out there then it’s not easy for you to be attacked in such a way.

The more that is known about you the more likely the actions in your life can be used against you. For most people this isn’t really an issue because the chances of somebody wanting to use your data against you is probably quite low. However if you’re somebody with any sort of public profile there will always be people willing and able to take you down.

The past year has shown us that the people in charge can’t be trusted simply because they don’t care about individual rights. They will use anything they can find to use against you, just like Neil O’Brien has been doing. Using your words against you to try and discredit is only one of the many things that can be done.

So in a way, Mr O’Brien has given us a glimpse of what a surveillance state might look like.

385824 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #356 of 1669 🔗

The old argument that if you are not doing anything wrong is so ridiculous. If i am not doing anything wrong then why not trust me?

It places the burden on me. Its guilty until proven innocent.

385934 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #357 of 1669 🔗

“Anyone who has studied History will see that disobedience is man’s first virtue.” Wilde.

386699 ▶▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Bungle, 2, #358 of 1669 🔗

That may be the one trait that all us sceptics have in common – a disobedient nature within us. I’ve been thinking about this lately, and wondering why certain people reject certain types of authoritarianism. I was not an unruly child, not by far, but I was definitely not a conformist at school. Even as a primary school kid, I would refuse to do things I didn’t agree with. It wasn’t a spoiled-brat, feet stomping refusal, instead it was just a firm ‘no thankyou’ and it usually worked.

385992 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #359 of 1669 🔗

Edward Snowden’s riposte to the “nothing to hide” fallacy is top of the DDG search list at the moment. For how long, though?

385826 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #360 of 1669 🔗

O’Brien immediately reveals to us by doing this that he knows his arguments are WEAK

385815 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 34, #361 of 1669 🔗

Politicians are, almost without exception, the worst kind. They make a living by removing any drip of integrity from their being and are thus enabled to say one thing before breakfast but be oblivious to their contradictions come lunch.

Jr Moog is defending O Brien’s poorly constructed website, a collection of fact checker articles essentially, saying we should be held to account for what we say. As this roundup article shows, if that was the standard, he would surely have made his exit from the party given how often he has been lied to.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/28/shouldnt-we-expose-the-government-rather-than-its-critics/

Desmond Swanyne is calling it like it is. He is not afraid to do that, and I applaud him for it. He is an exceptional politician. He’ll be vindicated, and indeed the European Council remarks do some of that job. He has never been anti vax but pro liberty and freedom. Mandates and governments overreaching into people’s lives is not something to be taken lightly and needs rolled back right now. We are creating a totalitarian like infrastructure that can be deployed for all manner of goals in future and he is a man of true integrity for speaking out against it.

More of Sir Des, less of JRM and Neil Fact Checker O Brien

385841 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #362 of 1669 🔗

Do you mean the Council of Europe (rather than the European Council which is part of the European Union)?

385852 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #363 of 1669 🔗

There are several Sir Desmonds, and they ought to come out to defend him. The ones that don’t, including the two you mention, are being controlled by somebody or something. JRM’s position during the Brexit debates was interesting – he almost flipped overnight when he backed off on the third vote, taking himself away from the bulk of the ERG. If it is available, watch him being interviewed by Beff Rigby in the Lobby – extraordinary – it was almost as if he had been possessed (started talking in Latin and referring to Catholic scripture). O’Brien also seems to have flipped mid-way through this crisis. He did PPE at Oxford at the same time as Hancock – does somebody know something?

385870 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #364 of 1669 🔗

Bum chums maybe? Well, they like throwing wild accusations at us, they can have some back.

385825 alw, replying to alw, 5, #365 of 1669 🔗

FCO are telling porkies. They are stating that it is illegal to travel abroad for holidays. There is currently no legislation for this.

385835 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, -3, #366 of 1669 🔗

Under the lockdown one is not allowed to leave one’s home without reasonable excuse. The list of excuses does not include going on holiday.

385868 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #367 of 1669 🔗

It is guidance only it is not law.

385978 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, 1, #368 of 1669 🔗

No, it is law (SI).

385872 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #369 of 1669 🔗

Fleeing persecution is a valid reason surely?

385989 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #370 of 1669 🔗

It only says you can leave your home to avoid threat or injury. It doesn’t say you can flee the country unfortunately.

385928 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #371 of 1669 🔗

Since when did the UK adopt Napoleonic Law? Common Law defines what you can’t do, not what you can do. Big difference. Unless there is a specific Law forbidding something, then you can do it. There is no Law that says you cannot take a holiday, nor is there one that says you cannot leave the country, whatever certain people might say.

385979 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peyrole, #372 of 1669 🔗

The government introduced the law by Statutory Instrument.

385995 ▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, #373 of 1669 🔗

If it has please post.

385858 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), replying to alw, 10, #374 of 1669 🔗

Is fleeing persecution to claim asylum elsewhere legal?

385861 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 5, #375 of 1669 🔗

Fleeing persecution is a legal excuse under lockdown.

386717 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to alw, #376 of 1669 🔗

I have a flat and possession abroad. Although there are no flights currently going there, and also no way to enter under current restrictions, if there were, I’d be able to fly. It’s not a holiday, right? I’m just moving my butt from A to B and continuing on as normal in a different location.

385834 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 21, #377 of 1669 🔗

So they’re coming around on HCQ, like i knew they would… Of course, now Trump is out of office there’s no point pretending he’s a lunatic. They should all be in prison for mass murder.

386730 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #378 of 1669 🔗

Since Trump left we’ve had:

  • A call from the WHO to reduce PCR test cycles (suspecting false positives etc), ya know, that thing ‘conspiracy theorists’ have been saying for months?
  • WHO guidance stating that people should be tested more than once if they show no symptoms
  • Accepting HCQ and similar medicines as valid treatment methods (despite months of lobbying against it, going as far as removing channels from Youtube for promoting it!)

What a bunch of cunts.

385843 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #379 of 1669 🔗

Add Matthew Lynn to the list then. What these people never understand is that you have to protect your basic liberty at all times even if it’s a campaign you happen to agree with because at some point you will encounter a situation where you are forced to do something you don’t want to do and you will have no recourse to the rights that you frittered away on something else.

385855 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 5, #380 of 1669 🔗

Quite right.

385859 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Achilles, 11, #381 of 1669 🔗

They closed the comment section – he was not getting much traction, and in some cases, outright abuse. Deserved in my view. He is a fine business commentator, and I have followed his analysis for many years. He is deluded on this, and like many others, should stick to what he knows.

385846 chaos, replying to chaos, 36, #382 of 1669 🔗

It is vital that the PM keeps giving dates in the not-too-distant future. Too soon and people will think life can get back to normal now; too distant and people will give up and protest. No, regular deadlines (followed by extensions) will keep us neatly in our place until the whole business of destroying the country is completed. I admire Boris’ duplicity.

385898 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to chaos, 7, #383 of 1669 🔗

“until the whole business of destroying the country is completed”

Absolutely correct.

385856 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #384 of 1669 🔗

Press Release

Hong Kong introduces new travel visa

A Hong Kong Government spokesperson said ” Here in Hong Kong human rights are our number one priority. From Monday UK residents will be able to apply for a Special Hong Kong Travel Passport

The Special Travel Passport will enable those UK residents escaping oppression to travel to and reside in Hong Kong

Initially we will be prioritising at risk groups such as women and the disabled

Application forms are available direct on http://www.escapethegenocide.com

385865 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 5, #385 of 1669 🔗

I was thinking really? Then saw who posted this…

385981 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #386 of 1669 🔗

Funny. I read it, burst out laughing and thought, is that one of Cecil’s.

386748 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Cecil B, #387 of 1669 🔗

I’d take it up a in a heartbeat.

385857 bigglespete, replying to bigglespete, -7, #388 of 1669 🔗

The newsletter contains a suggestion that hydrochloroquinine can be an effective vaccine.
This is a good analysis discrediting that idea:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-strange-twisted-tale/amp

385913 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to bigglespete, 12, #389 of 1669 🔗

HcQ is not a vaccine, but a potential treatment, like Ivermectin.

385985 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to LMS2, 2, #390 of 1669 🔗

Exactly. HCQ must be used with Zinc, if no Zinc then not working well. It is most beneficial in the beginning of an infection.

Many trials used excessive high doses of HCQ and excluded Zinc and therefore ‘found’ that it was dangerous or ineffective – so easy to set up trials to get the outcome they want, i.e not to use it

385936 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to bigglespete, 6, #391 of 1669 🔗

” Before you start giving a drug to the thousands, soon to be millions, of people affected by a pandemic virus, you want to be very, very sure it’s safe and effective, that the benefits of administering it outweigh the risks and side effects. The Chinese studies of chloroquine were, so far, preliminary and small-bore. ”

Hydroxychloroquine has been in use for decades. Its side effects are well known, and it’s been used to treat several other conditions other than malaria. It had been used in the treatment of SARS some years ago, so it was logical to look at it for CV19.
This article is not particularly scientific, it’s more political.
It was a political decision to prevent doctors from repurposing an old medication for a new disease, purely because it was mentioned by President Trump. If he’d said nothing about it, it wouldn’t have been banned, and we might have got a real idea if it was an effective treatment or not.
Even then, it would have been in doubt, because too many governments want to use the vaccine as the preventative, so they needed the death rates to remain sufficiently high and frightening to coerce everyone into getting vaccinated.

387093 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to LMS2, #392 of 1669 🔗

It was removed from the shelves in France in FEBRUARY, soon after the Chinese reported that chloroquine appeared to be effective for C-19.
It is reported elsewhere in these comments that it was removed from shelves in OZ.
Fauci banned it in the US despite recommending it for use with earlier outbreaks of Sars.

Essentially denied use in western nations. Countries (including Russia) that used it had about 1/3 the death rates from C-19.

Part of the plan.

387316 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to PastImperfect, #393 of 1669 🔗

what about Belorussia?

385860 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 20, #394 of 1669 🔗

Just listening to yesterday’s Richie Allen picking apart the sir Desmond Swayne interview with Adam Boulton on Sky news. Excellent analysis by Richie.

Adam Boulton, what a wanker. MSM are disgusting.

385871 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stefarm, 6, #395 of 1669 🔗

Boulton is just as obnoxious as Piers Morgan!

385884 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #396 of 1669 🔗

And you know what I think of piers W ⚓ Morgan.

What gets on my tits is do these talking heads moonlighting as journalists think they will escape the tyranny.

385862 Bella Donna, 8, #397 of 1669 🔗

Extract from Care Home Professional …. ( I’ve italicised the paragraph I found most interesting.)

“The latest ONS figures show there were 560 deaths involving COVID-19 in care homes in England and Wales in the week ending 1 January, up from 530 on the previous week.
On a year to date basis, there were 20,661 deaths in care homes in England and Wales up to 1 January.
Deaths involving COVID-19 in care homes accounted for over a quarter of deaths in care homes.
CQC data showed 20,042 deaths of residents in care homes between 10 April 2020 and 8 January 2021. Of these, 824 were notified in the week up to 8 January.
In Wales, the Care Inspectorate reported 1,269 deaths of care home residents between 1 March 2020 and 1 January 2021.
The latest figures came after Public Health England data revealed the number of care home outbreaks doubled in a fortnight at the end of 2020.
New outbreaks continued to be reported, including Trengrouse care home in Helston, Cornwall, operated by Cornwall Care and Louisebrae in Tulloch, Perth, Scotland, where the outbreak occurred despite people at the home having been vaccinated.
Meanwhile, the government yesterday reaffirmed its commitment to vaccinate all care home residents by the end of this month .”

385863 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #398 of 1669 🔗

Have been very under the weather the past few days. An irritating cough that turned persistent, together with loss of taste and smell. Yesterday went for that test (yuck). Just waiting for the results. I can’t duck it, because working in a factory, I owe it to my colleagues. Nobody wants to be anywhere near somebody coughing and spluttering every twenty minutes.

Knowing my luck, I’ll get a false negative. I’ve always liked to be different!

385867 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #399 of 1669 🔗

Sounds likely you have caught the bug Nick, having a positive test means your work mates and family will now have to isolate. Could you not have put yourself to bed instead?

385880 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #400 of 1669 🔗

And then you have pay issues. The family are safe because I live alone.

385882 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #401 of 1669 🔗

Umm!. could be the new Rose variant

Look what you’ve done now!!!

385885 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 1, #402 of 1669 🔗

Fragrant Covid?

385922 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #403 of 1669 🔗

Covid by any other name is still covid.

385973 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to rockoman, #404 of 1669 🔗

lol

386358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nick Rose, #405 of 1669 🔗

That requires a swab up your arse.

385920 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #406 of 1669 🔗

Up until 10 months ago it wouldn’t have occurred to anyone to go for any kind of test with those symptoms.

Nor should it now.

385883 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #407 of 1669 🔗

The bat cold is a mild infection for most
Could be one of the other 200 Rhino/Adeno/Corona viruses also

385895 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #408 of 1669 🔗

Leave the Rhinos out of this please, I’m trying to save he planet

385899 ▶▶ kate, replying to Nick Rose, #409 of 1669 🔗

delete

385912 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Nick Rose, #410 of 1669 🔗

If you are in doubt, the latest anal swabs are said to be far more reliable. EU will ‘go where the science takes us’ on anal coronavirus swabs – POLITICO

385951 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Colin, #411 of 1669 🔗

‘far more reliable’

For some they will be far more enjoyable

386752 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Colin, #412 of 1669 🔗

“Hmmm, this anal swab is taking an unusually long time…”

386027 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #413 of 1669 🔗

I think in this situation, I’ll just call in sick with some malady and stay home until I’m better. Much like I would have done any other time. I shant be submitting to any tests.

386067 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, #414 of 1669 🔗

PS – get well soon!

386459 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nick Rose, #415 of 1669 🔗

Some people will do anything for a monkey 😉

Rest up, grab some chicken noodle soup and a nice Lemsip hot toddy.

Hope you’re feeling back to full strength soon.

385878 Cecil B, 1, #416 of 1669 🔗

The cheques are in the post. They are post dated March, April, and May

385879 Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #417 of 1669 🔗

80% Jabs STILL Not GOOD Enough For Next Christmas IRELAND / Hugo Talks

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-HtQ-nDb4Kw

385881 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 22, #418 of 1669 🔗

Just left Tesco and there was no-one on the door asking about masks. I had threatened both the local store and the Head Office under the Harassment Act of 1997. Whether that worked or not, I don’t know but, for us LS people, the message is clear – we must know the law and we must act using the law if it helps. However, we must also be prepared to break the law when that law is keeping dear old folk locked in care home rooms and children deprived of humanity in their development.

385904 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bungle, 8, #419 of 1669 🔗

There are no door gestapos in the supermarkets I frequent and I basically just stick to them.

I suspect that the supermarkets have been nobbled by the endless complaints and are running scared of ending up in court and endless payouts for harassment, bullying and discrimination.

386089 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #420 of 1669 🔗

Below is the response to my complaint (actually more of a diatribe) to the Aldi CEO. I didn’t request a reply but as expected they sent one anyway.

am writing regarding your correspondence forwarded to our CEO, Giles Hurley, who has reviewed your email and asked me to respond on his behalf.

Thank you for contacting us with regards to the wearing of facemasks within our store. I am sorry to hear of this incident and apologise for any disappointment this has caused.

As you are aware, the UK and Irish Governments last year announced that facemasks are required to be worn in all shops in the UK & Ireland with certain exceptions. These exceptions include young children and anyone with breathing difficulties or certain disabilities.

Customers are encouraged to comply with the Government guidelines on face coverings and we have recently announced that all customers will be required to wear a mask in our stores unless they are medically exempt. Anyone without a medical exemption that refuses to wear a mask will not be permitted to enter the store.

We appreciate that this is a new change and as such, for a limited period, customers that forget to bring a mask will be provided with one, free of charge and subject to availability.

Any customers who do have a medical exemption, can shop without a mask, subject to them following our social distancing guidance. Customers are not however, required to provide evidence of the medical exemption. This will be enforced by our Store Managers and colleagues who will ask customers to wear a mask when they are in store. If customers refuse, and do not have a medical exemption, they will be asked to leave.

This decision has been made in line with the latest government advice and we will continue to review our processes as the situation continues to develop.

We have placed additional signage in store to remind customers to wear a face covering, and we ask that they respect the safety of our colleagues as well as other customers.

I would like to further reassure you that if you have a medical exemption you are welcome to shop in our stores without a mask, subject to you following our social distancing guidance. Whilst you are not required to provide evidence of your medical exemption, it may help if you can show our colleagues an exemption badge – these can be downloaded from the Government website and can be either printed or saved on a mobile phone. This will help our colleagues identify those with hidden conditions and means those customers can continue to shop undisturbed.

Please rest assured, your comments have been passed to the relevant teams who will take any necessary action internally so that our stores remain compliant with these measures moving forward. Our teams are in contact daily with the relevant authorities and our processes and responses to the ongoing situation are being monitored and assessed daily. So that I may also raise this with the specific store management team, please also confirm which store you had visited.

Once again thank you for contacting Aldi and I hope you will continue to shop with us.

386129 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #421 of 1669 🔗

That’s a good reply from them but why do they insist on the “medically” exempt? There’s nothing in the guidance about medically exempt, you are exempt under the categories provided in the guidance, that’s it.

I think this is the case of supermarkets over egging the pudding and have now shot themselves in the foot.

386155 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #422 of 1669 🔗

A smart CEO would have made polite noises to whichever of Blobjo’s creatures was ringing round in early Jan and then carried on as they had been since July 24th and not harassed paying customers not wearing masks. Why alienate your customers?

386628 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #423 of 1669 🔗

I am on the case bro and Aldi will be hearing from my partner, an advisor at law. They will be told that we will come to shop and they will be done for harassment if they try to quiz us.

385897 davews, 20, #424 of 1669 🔗

Just back from twice weekly trip to Tesco (reduced from daily before lockdown). Lady on till asked me how I was today. I told her…. how utterly depressed I was with the world, it is never going to end, her shop was no longer a pleasant place to come to with nobody to smile at, etc. I even mentioned King Canute. Turned out she had had the bug and didn’t want to catch it again (she didn’t accept that was very unlikely). At least she agreed that her mask did absolutely nothing. Probably upset her day but at least got it off my chest (not the virus you understand…).

385901 Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #425 of 1669 🔗

Love whatsherface’s video about masks linked to in today’s “mask Exempt” spac e above. Well worth a watch and share.

385902 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #426 of 1669 🔗

Good moring Vietnam*. The question for today is where to have salted or butter popcorn on hand for todays sturgeon hagging hour. Her lecture from the pulpit has a frisson of extra spice today as she and her rotten cabal swirl down the pan. As tge nation learns the top brass SNP knuckle draggers do not know Latin and think that Diem is the name of a Vietnamese leader. You cannot make it up folks, they tried that and they look like tgey are off to prison, if they can unbent the system for long enough.

*See new revelation coming from East lothian today.

The witch is dying in front of our eyes..

385911 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, #427 of 1669 🔗

Body Count. Mission Creep. No end game.

War sucks

385971 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, #428 of 1669 🔗

I can detect your glee through your words… Butter popcorn for me please. Not that I would interfere n Scottish politics. Oh no, not me.

386079 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, #429 of 1669 🔗

Can you explain what you mean? I don’t understand.

386151 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jb12, 1, #430 of 1669 🔗

Scottish government is in downfall. Latest news is MP for East Lothian Kenny Mack.. has stated on sky news that a whastapp group was established by the rotten snp cabal called Vietnam. They chose this name because they thought Operation Diem was used by police scotland to reference an assasintated leader of the Vietnam War era. It means Day obviously. Stop here and consider choosing a name after an assasinated leader.

The Vietnam whatsapp messages show collusion to do very bad things, not assininate but assasinate the ‘polictic threat’ of the previous snp leader, says Kenny MP. This was prior to the salmond trial, where he was found not guilty by a jury. Tits up for the cabal.

You might like to settle in and gawp at either the read it yourself Craig Murray’s blog – sworn affidavit or listen to Alex Thompson on Eartern approaches youtube channel read to you the affidavit. A little slice of history.

https://youtu.be/d7hU6Tcyesg

386293 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, #431 of 1669 🔗

Thanks. I read the Murray blog yesterday, but I didn’t know what you meant about East Lothian. I hope something comes of it, but I won’t hold my breath.

386354 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jb12, #432 of 1669 🔗

A nice bookend to the West Lothian Question.

385903 JHUNTZ, 1, #433 of 1669 🔗

Regional Covid-19 curbs could be scrapped under plan to ease restrictions on a national basis | Daily Mail Online

I could have sworn that map of Britain’s ‘infections’ was bright red only last week.

385905 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #434 of 1669 🔗

Save the Planet
Save the NHS

Climate change deniers
Covid deniers

Zero Carbon
Zero Covid

Led by the science
Led by the science

Stop flying
Stop flying

New laws
New laws

385907 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 2, #435 of 1669 🔗

Marxism! 🙂

385923 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to this is my username, 7, #436 of 1669 🔗

Correct. Exactly the same people behind the Climate Change scam as the pandemic scam, using exactly the same non-scientific modeling to support a pre-agreed narrative.

385967 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to this is my username, 3, #437 of 1669 🔗

The notion that the Conservative government are Marxists is beyond satire.

386119 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 1, #438 of 1669 🔗

Where is the covid Greta?

Who’s child is bound to stunt growth in a basement while being kept alive of grains of rice and being made ready to scowl at the world when covid zero isn’t reached? Has anyone heard muffled yelps for help coming from the devi residence?

386757 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Basics, #439 of 1669 🔗

Greta is still around, unfortunately. She was one of the Davos guest speakers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRDUlkEbu4

385906 chaos, replying to chaos, 4, #440 of 1669 🔗

TalkRadio attempting to branwash everyone with that shitty musical interlude..

bish bosh bish bish bosh bish ta da da da da ta da da da da…

385935 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to chaos, 4, #441 of 1669 🔗

Im really disappointed with TalkRadio…they have ‘flipped’ in the last few months…..very worrying

385994 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #442 of 1669 🔗

Not JHB and Mike Graham

386004 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to arfurmo, 1, #443 of 1669 🔗

You do know they both were enthusiastic supporters of lockdown version one. They are both supporters of the vaccines and following the rules.

386003 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #444 of 1669 🔗

I agree. I think MG is probably more sceptical but is unable to articulate those views. Also, Dan Wootton – who was very sceptical – has now left, unfortunately.

387114 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, #445 of 1669 🔗

Maybe Wootton was pushed lol. Collins is a true bedwetter and an establishment man through and through.

386761 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to chaos, 1, #446 of 1669 🔗

I remember back in December, when cases and ‘hospitalisations’ were rising, James Whale turned from a mild lockdown sceptic to a rabid, raging lockdown zealot attacking anyone with a different viewpoint. I stopped listening at that point, never again.

Still catch JHB and Mike from time to time though.

385909 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 13, #447 of 1669 🔗

“Professor Peacock apparently cannot see an end in sight for COVID-19”

This is absolutely where this is all going. They really are not going to let us out. They might lift lockdown for a while, but we won’t be going abroad on holiday anywhere, because we might bring back some new variant, i.e. just like happens with flu every year.

This was said in a press conference given by the Irish government:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-international-travel-may-not-be-possible-by-christmas-varadkar-1.4469069
“Covid-19: International travel may not be possible by Christmas – Varadkar
Experts are concerned about travel due to new, more transmissible variants of virus”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-HtQ-nDb4Kw
Hugo Talks: 80% Jabs STILL Not GOOD Enough For Next Christmas IRELAND

The Irish government is aiming at zero covid. No international travel….except for a very few, of course.

Anyone want to take a bet on how long it will be before we hear the same thing from Boris or Hancock? Didn’t we already have Hancock saying it will be a very, very, very long time before we get back to normal? That was the first clue on what they’re going to spring on us.

They’re never going to let us out.

385915 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to LMS2, 24, #448 of 1669 🔗

They’ve got a month or two tops. Unrest is spreading in Europe, the Great Reopening is tomorrow, the fear campaign is starting to fail, and people are at the end of their mental tether. This will be over when enough people say it’s over, and there will be nothing that they can do about it.

385930 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #449 of 1669 🔗

No, there will be no end to lockdowns! New variants and new viruses will come along and we need to save the nhs, forget about people. As for holidays abroad – forget about it! This is the new normal, imposed on all of us by moronic and spineless government and “science”!

385976 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to TheClone, 4, #450 of 1669 🔗

This is the new normal, imposed on all of us by moronic and spineless government and “science”!

You could add compliant petrified moronic and spineless media and public to that

386072 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to TheClone, 5, #451 of 1669 🔗

The professional and civil service caste as well as the pensioners are doing just fine with it: less work, more savings.
And the most of the young are woke and fully behind it too.
They and as such also the rest of the public will keep quiet.
Until the money runs out or vaccinated bodies start to pile up.

385933 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #452 of 1669 🔗

agreed.

385947 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #453 of 1669 🔗

I sincerely hope you’re right. I’m going to town tomorrow hoping to be able to find some open shops to support.

385972 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #454 of 1669 🔗

Agree and hope that you’re right. Mr Bart and I will be doing our usual exercise tomorrow and support any restaurant, pub or cafe that’s open.

385938 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to LMS2, 16, #455 of 1669 🔗

I have been saying this for 6 months only to be told on this site that I have given up, so negative, cheer up man etc..Now that we are here i cpould do a victory round singing told you soo but I’m too fucking depressed because of the ease we as the British walked into 1984 without a whimper..And to think I was prepared to give my live for this country and saw many of my mates give theris.I’m fucking angry and ashamed at the same time

385998 ▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 5, #456 of 1669 🔗

If you are in the pandemic business then why would you want them to end

As someone pointed out the other day about the “E” in SAGE – if your existence, importance and power depend on there being an emergency, you’d be inclined to try to keep that emergency going for as long as possibe

If the PM is stupid enough not to realise this, he is stupider than a rock, and if he knows it but chooses not to notice then he is evil

386069 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to LMS2, 1, #457 of 1669 🔗

The minute we accepted the switch from ‘2 weeks to save the NHS’ to ‘R below 1’ and the ensuing ‘Hammer&Dance’ narrative and approach, we were toast.
I said so at the time, and the masks then just cemented it.
As I stated above, this won’t end until the money has run out, unless there are millions of vaccine related deaths occurring before that.

385914 isobar, replying to isobar, 11, #458 of 1669 🔗

West Midlands Police Apologise for harassing man on way to work (video was on the site yesterday) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9199115/Police-apologised-officer-hauls-away-man-way-work.html

385917 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to isobar, 26, #459 of 1669 🔗

I’ve just watched the video. The policeman should be dismissed for gross misconduct. The female police officer should be disciplined as an accessory. Hope the young man presses charges for harassment. Disgusting.

385931 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to isobar, 12, #460 of 1669 🔗

I’m shocked. I’m shocked that people do not know that this is normal police behaviour. The police are only doing what Mikey Mike sent them out to

386084 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to isobar, 4, #461 of 1669 🔗

This is the nth time West Midlands have had to apologise for harassment and bullying to the point that it seems like they’re now taking the piss.

Methinks someone should take responsibility and resign. Plus the entire force placed under mandatory refresher training or having to repeat their entire stint at the Police Academy.

386112 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #462 of 1669 🔗

How about this as a way to diffuse the next viscous thug police nazi assault.

The innocent person reaches into pocket, withdraws phone, plays thug nazi police goon the previous attacks and the associated apologies.

Even a red misted up banana hungry ape might recognise themselves standing in the identical situation.

No only do we need to have lockdown laws readily to hand, but the videos of police attack and police apologies with us as well.

386204 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, #463 of 1669 🔗

That’s a good idea. Prick their conscience and get them to ask themselves if they want to go in the way of those in the clips and subject themselves to humiliation in the media.

386105 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to isobar, #464 of 1669 🔗

Compensation?

386336 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to isobar, 1, #465 of 1669 🔗

Identify as trans and give the name of the opposite gender. If they refuse to believe you then you can sue them for discrimination

385918 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #466 of 1669 🔗

I think Noah Carl is right in today’s link to the Critic to say that looking at Age Standardised Mortality figures for calendar years (those that take into account population size and age structure) give a balanced view as to what went on in the calendar year 2020, rather than the screeching of the 100,000 figure without context.

As there was no chart in the article, I’ve created the Age Standardised Mortality chart for England, which is based on the ONS monthly Age Standardised Mortality data. I’ve added their monthly figures together and divided by 12 which should get very close to the annual figure.

  • What we see is that mortality was higher for 2020 than for the most recent years because of the pandemic in the Spring, and because of our government’s actions in dealing with the pandemic.
  • However the mortality seen in 2020 is less than all the years from 2001 to 2008 when life went on as normal. It represents a kink upwards in a falling trend of mortality over time.
  • Most of the increase in 2020 is due to the pandemic in April and the response, not the seasonal winter resurgence. We should not be determining action now based on how many died in April.
  • lockdowns don’t reduce covid deaths (see the scientific papers) but they do cause indirect deaths. And moving covid+ patients in the Spring back into care homes may have increased 2020 mortality. So the mortality in 2020 would have been less in 2020 had we not locked down.
385932 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #467 of 1669 🔗

Thank you FreeCumbria. I have wondered, for a while, whether it would be possible to look at excess death figures from September 2019 to the end of 2020. Do you think that could be done?

385955 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #468 of 1669 🔗

I’ve moved away from talking about excess death numbers, because there is always the question of what baseline you use and things naturally vary from year to year and the question should be is the variation particularly abnormal? So I think just comparing year on year is much clearer.

I think a September 2019 to August 2020 comparison with previous September to August is a good idea, not so sure about September 2019 to December 2020, because you are comparing across single respiratory seasons, whereas a January to December comparison may show high mortality for a year because the respiratory season may start early in December in one year.

386056 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Will, 1, #469 of 1669 🔗

You can do it for Covid deaths on the Worldometer site, to assess the sizes of the second waves in various countries and states, for example.
I have done that on and as of 15.1. For 30 countries and commented on my findings here.

386088 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #470 of 1669 🔗

Here’s the English comparison based on years ending in August (so the 2020 data point is September 2019 to August 2020 inclusive of both) so periods including a single respiratory season

The year to August 2020 looks even less remarkable, based on that comparison. The year to August 2015 came very close and the year to August 2018 came fairly close too.

385956 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #472 of 1669 🔗

A very powerful analysis. If you average 2019 (sudden dip down after three flat years) and 2020 (sharp increase due to April covid deaths – actually many were likely deferred 2019 deaths), then you are more or less at the 2015 figure.

385990 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #473 of 1669 🔗

Great point. And numerically that is right too

Age Standardised Mortality for 2019 and 2020 combined: 979 pa per 100,000
Age Standardised Mortality for 2015: 987pa (i.e. higher)

386049 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #474 of 1669 🔗

I have seen a tweet yesterday where someone compared standardized age group mortalities for 2020 in Sweden and the UK, and the result was that the UK killed more people below the age of 65, due to Lockdowns, whilst Sweden only had excess mortality in the above 65 age group, as expected and well explained already (dry tinder etc.).
But what do you expect in a country where 99.9% of the politicians, journos and people are completely unable and unwilling to grasp and accept the QALY concept?!

386107 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #475 of 1669 🔗

We should not be determining action now based on how many died in April”

Of course not. And that bar chart tells only part of the story. Take it back a quarter of a century, and you’ll see consistently higher mortality.

The other plain fact is that mortality from June to December was be well within the normal bounds of that quarter century pattern. Thus cumulative mortality since April has declined from that apparent maximum.

385924 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 47, #476 of 1669 🔗

It won’t have escaped anyone’s attention that over the last couple of weeks there has been a co-ordinated media assault on lockdown opponents. The recent smearing of Desmond Swayne really is a new low. I’m hoping that what this really tells us is that the zealots are getting desperate.

385939 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mattghg, 17, #477 of 1669 🔗

There needs to be relentlessly attacking Pratt Handycock – the man is extremely dangerous and is extremely bad of public health and democracy

i suspect its not the British people that he represents

385943 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Major Panic, 7, #478 of 1669 🔗

Agree – he is being controlled from elsewhere.

385963 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 7, #479 of 1669 🔗

He is obviously a useful idiot. Otherwise, why on earth would anyone appoint an unqualified and ignorant person to the enormously important post of ”Secretary of State for Health” (a grandiose title for a mouthpiece)?

386092 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 10, #480 of 1669 🔗

a useful idiot”

That’s my analysis, too. Even in the political game, it’s rare for such visible incompetence to last as long as he has. There’s usually another round of musical chairs.

385940 ▶▶ isobar, replying to mattghg, 6, #481 of 1669 🔗

I agree with you, it might well turn out to be an own goal. Am mindful of the expression ‘better to be insulted than ignored’

385999 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mattghg, 1, #482 of 1669 🔗

I don’t know about them getting desperate… They said the same thing about the US left smearing anyone right of Stalin, and look where the US is now. Even if covidiots (which is what i call lockdown proponents) are getting desperate, that doesn’t mean they’re retreating or even at a disadvantage. Stay frosty.

385942 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 4, #483 of 1669 🔗

I forgot to tune into TalkRadio this morning for JH-B’s interview with Carl Henegan. Is there anyone who heard it and feels like giving us a precis?

386011 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 2, #485 of 1669 🔗

Gotta love hate twitter… a video of someone pointing out censorship and lack of freedom of speech and the first response i see is someone calling for more censorship. Twitter is a far left cesspool.

386052 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), #486 of 1669 🔗

just as well I did. No wonder Heneghan has been quiet on twitter. For some reason I unfollowed him. Don’t remember doing that! Sounds like the same thing happened to Peter Hitchens.

386061 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 4, #487 of 1669 🔗

Thanks. If, as he says, there’s a “swathe of academics who are too scared to come forward” then we really, really need them to grab their courage with both hands right now because otherwise this nightmare is only going to get worse.

386083 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan (Day 312 of lockdown), 2, #488 of 1669 🔗

Another ‘thanks’ for that reference.

What is remarkable is how Heneghan keeps his cool and never overstates – which, of course, puts the spotlight on the propagandists. I’m not sure I could do it.

386250 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #489 of 1669 🔗

Indeed, Lord Sumption has the same pro traits

385945 Will, 58, #490 of 1669 🔗

A very good old friend died by/ with/ from covid yesterday. Sad to have not had a chance to say goodbye but he was no spring chicken, was a life long smoker, who enjoyed a pint so in the grand scheme I am not sure we could say covid was more likely to have killed him than if he had a run in with flu/ pneumonia. And I have to ask whether he would have stood a better chance against the virus if he had encountered it in April or May, when the sun was on his back, than in the middle of winter when his immune system was at its weakest and he had been denied the psychological lifeline that was meeting up with all his friends in the pub.

385952 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 32, #491 of 1669 🔗

I only read the headline. It’s all I could stand to begin with.

”Phased exit” my foot. Some more Newspeak? We know it’d make no difference at all (to so-called ”infection rates”) if everything were just opened up as and when businesses, etc, wished to; if schools and universities were immediately opened; if hospital treatments were continued; if we all just went walking and partying with our friends; if we took our holiday cruises or coach trips or rambles in the Dales or skiing in the Alps.

And STOPPED BL**DY TESTING HEALTHY PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY CHILDREN.

385991 ▶▶ alw, replying to Banjones, 7, #492 of 1669 🔗

Just corporate speak and bureaucratic bullshit.

386022 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Banjones, 7, #493 of 1669 🔗

Sorry I can’t upvote 100 times. I’ve been arguing (in my small, pathetic way) from the same viewpoint forever.

386064 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #494 of 1669 🔗

Probably like you, I’m glad to find a site where I can feel I’m not alone, and shouting into the wind.
I just hope we’re not purged, because we’re dangerous ‘normal’ people.

386057 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #495 of 1669 🔗

PS Which continues to prove this is not all about a virus.

385959 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #496 of 1669 🔗

One of the world’s vile little men George Monbiot has in recent days been all over PCR testing is good, mkay. There is a new article out pointing out he is a bully, but sceptics already know what this man is like and how he operates. I found him chilling to look at or listen to in the past, just instinctual, anyway…

He has been up against good people like Sabina Walker with regard to PCR testing.

Sabina invited Monbiot to look at her tweet thread below. 90 references showing PCR is being used wrongly/frauduldntly/knowingly/etc.

A great PCR study reference library –

https://twitter.com/SabinaWalker18/status/1310018728092811264?s=20

386041 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Basics, 3, #497 of 1669 🔗

In his case it’s just too obvious: he is a fervent advocate of communist style expropriation in the form of land reform and needs the PCR sham to continue to enable the realization of his real agenda.

386228 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, #498 of 1669 🔗

Not surprised with this. He’s a green zealot who fervently believes that we plebs should return to the Stone Age while he and his ilk lord it over us.

385961 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #499 of 1669 🔗

Facebook admits it was wrong to censor HCQ and this is tagged onto the very end of today’s news????!!!!!
This was the VERY START OF THIS ENTIRE NIGHTMARE!!!!

385966 ▶▶ isobar, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #500 of 1669 🔗

Absolutely, I smell a very big rat here. If HCQ and Ivermectin were convincingly shown to work, then it wouldn’t matter so much if different variants arise. So we wouldn’t be in an endless search for vaccines against new variants. Big pharma wouldn’t like that though nor would the control freaks in government and SAGE

386023 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to isobar, 7, #501 of 1669 🔗

Especially since both HCQ and Ivermectin are ridiculously cheap. Especially when compared to remdesivir and the vaccines. Not to mention that we have decades of data on their associated risks, so we know exactly what we’re dealing with.

386195 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #502 of 1669 🔗

Big pharma don’t like ”ridiculously cheap”. They’re not altruistic, and they certainly don’t have public welfare at the heart of their business.

386961 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #503 of 1669 🔗

A pharmacaist I know who works at a local hospital told me that they stopped using Remdesivir once their stock ran out, simply because it didn’t work.

386030 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 10, #504 of 1669 🔗

couple that with something very odd I heard on R4 Today this morning-someone said Astrazeneca began production of their vaccine back in February. If that is true, it indicates the Govt made a conscious decision to go down the vaccine route rather than investigate existing treatments.

386065 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #505 of 1669 🔗

Yes. There’s some very smelly stuff at the root of all this – not least the blatant lie about an ‘unprecedented’ crisis that is in the opening paragraph of the government’s proposal to drop proper regulation for the vaccines.

386100 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to isobar, #506 of 1669 🔗

I smell the inside of a Ton-ton, which are thought to smell bad on the outside.

386202 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, #507 of 1669 🔗

But they HAVE been convincingly shown to work – but that doesn’t make headlines. In fact, news of that effectiveness will be blocked by the ‘big pharma’ AND the people with their fingers in the big pharma pies – isn’t that so Mr V et al?
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

385984 ▶▶ isobar, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #508 of 1669 🔗

It’s not just Facebook, it’s also the American Journal of Medicine. I wonder what forced their hand?

386019 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to isobar, 6, #509 of 1669 🔗

They’re no longer blocked by the democrat machine from agreeing with Trump. Now they need to manufacture approval for an administration that no one likes and no one voted for.

386339 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #510 of 1669 🔗

Have they admitted they were wrong to censor news of Hunter Biden’s laptop?

385962 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 29, #511 of 1669 🔗

I was really shocked yesterday when I viewed the video of a harmless passive looking man being handcuffed by the police for have drawn a small crowd to himself by giving out free soup in a park.

In the middle of the night I listened to the World Service and an Afghani woman recounting how much in fear of the Taliban she’d lived for wanting to do things like writing and dancing.

Clearly there’s no shortage of people round the world willing and eager to repress others.

386010 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ned of the Hills, 16, #512 of 1669 🔗

There was the Young Ones episode where the siege was going on in their own house and they were watching it on their telly oblivious to the fact it was happening in their house, ‘nothing exciting like that happens here’

Similarly we fail to recognise the human rights abuses going on in our own country, but can only see human rights abuses happening in other countries.

386226 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #513 of 1669 🔗

Is this the sought of thing you have in mind: https://twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1353091151096635392

386235 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #514 of 1669 🔗

Yes, that’s a good example, thanks.

386043 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #515 of 1669 🔗

Another middle of the night listener here (I wonder why we can’t sleep), it was poignant that when she moved to Iran, she was stunned by the freedom that she had. Iran! To be fair it sounded like more than we have now.

386449 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #516 of 1669 🔗

I used to fall asleep to R4 and then wake up and listen to a very interesting program, only to have forgotten all about it in the morning. So sad.

385975 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 33, #517 of 1669 🔗

“O’Brien has been particularly assiduous in pointing out the false wisdom of lockdown sceptics early in the Coronavirus pandemic – for example when Young predicted that there would be no second wave of the virus.”
I would argue there has been no second wave. After the spike in April covid became endemic as a seasonal viral infection.

386015 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 10, #518 of 1669 🔗

That is essentially what Michael Yeadon predicted.

386018 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Basileus, -13, #519 of 1669 🔗

Quite. It was cobblers.

386222 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #520 of 1669 🔗

You say this and yet provide nothing to back it up. Every single day on here many were questioning Yeadons call.

I am from Northern Ireland and and here has been nothing to report but mismanaged hospitals as reported on above the line today. The Republic of Ireland even more dramatic. How do you explain this?

386225 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #521 of 1669 🔗

Northern Ireland

386251 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -6, #522 of 1669 🔗

Rep of Ireland hasn’t been badly affected. Neither has NI. Perhaps population density & vitamin D status have helped.

Why do I need to explain other countries?

386615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #523 of 1669 🔗

There is no evidence of Finland levels of Vitamin D in Ireland. In fact, only this week, the Irish Government tasked NPHET (the body recommending all the draconian restrictions) to investigate whether Vitamin D could assist against COVID.

386254 ▶▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #524 of 1669 🔗

I know, I can’t understand what’s going on in Ireland. So unnecessary.

386618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to ituex, #525 of 1669 🔗

What is going on in Ireland is the same herd mentality that embraced Roman Catholicism, the same herd mentality that looked the other way whilst the Roman Catholic Church systematically beat, buggered, fucked and otherwise physically, psychologically and emotionally abused thousands of people (millions around the world) and the same herd mentality that created the Celtic Tiger of getting rich by selling houses to each other and then blaming someone else when it collapsed.

386246 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, 3, #526 of 1669 🔗

Boring day in the SS (77th) today? Don’t think you will get much traction here.

386016 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Les Tricoteuses, -49, #527 of 1669 🔗

Try telling the British public that there was no second wave.

Toby Young, Mike Yeadon and the anti-vaxxers have destroyed the anti-lockdown campaign. It’s in tatters.

386035 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mayo, 14, #528 of 1669 🔗

That’s quite an exaggeration. Even if you disagree with Mike Yeadon, the majority of the public are quite unaware that he even exists.

386118 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -16, #529 of 1669 🔗

The movers and shakers in the media know who he is and Yeadon provides them with plenty of ammunition . Also the decision makers inside parliament know who he is and are aware of his pronouncements.

386167 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 5, #530 of 1669 🔗

Mayo, try not to dodge this point/question.
Look at EuroMomo and tell me exactly why the excess death figures for the later months of 2020 are high in England but perfectly normal in the rest of the UK.
Tell me why Austria, Belgium,Italy,Portugal, Slovenia, Switzerland and England have had excess deaths over normal, but nowhere else in Europe. I define ‘normal’ as being the same or less than the seasonal infuenza pattern?
Unless you can, please just shut up.

386216 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -7, #531 of 1669 🔗

Wait until the winter season is over but I would suggest the countries you refer to have been relatively harder hit by the virus. I’m not sure why we would expect every country to experience exactly the same outcomes.

Even within countries the effect is not uniformly distributed.

386232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 4, #532 of 1669 🔗

It’s beyond absurd when you compare the Republic of Ireland to England on Euromomo.

They basically had the same approach to lockdown throughout all of this. Something really doesn’t add up.

386252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #533 of 1669 🔗

Don’t feed the troll.

386256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -7, #534 of 1669 🔗

No more absurd than comparing Stockholm with Southern Sweden or Denmark.

386381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 1, #535 of 1669 🔗

So you have no answer.
My point is that ‘lockdowns’ are merely part ( a very annoying part) of the overall situation. You cannot just look at one aspect of this, it has to be done as a whole.
PCR tests and their abuse is the major problem. Without the ‘testademic’ there would be support for ‘lockdowns’.

386255 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 4, #536 of 1669 🔗

decision makers in Government and their scientists are only interested in arse covering, and, aided and abetted by the media who are also at fault, brainwashing the people that lockdowns are the only option. they therefore have to rubbish any alternative views, hence the second wave had to happen

386040 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 9, #537 of 1669 🔗

What do you mean by ‘anti-vaxxer’? Who are the ‘anti-vaxxers’?

386054 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #538 of 1669 🔗

I too would like to know.

I’m a 28 year old in good health. My view is that at this moment in my life, and at this early stage for the vaccine, it would not be worthwhile for me to be vaccinated against COVID-19. I have had other vaccines and so have my children.

Could anyone present a strong clinical case for me to be vaccinated? Am I considered to be an ‘anti-vaxxer’ for asking?

386071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #539 of 1669 🔗

“Could anyone present a strong clinical case for me to be vaccinated?”

Err No! 😅

You must of course make up your own mind as its your body, but I am not at all persuaded that this covid jab is in my best interests.

386086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #540 of 1669 🔗

No me either. The only reasons I have been given so far have been related to ‘ending restrictions’. I’ve no interest in receiving medical treatment, approved only on an emergency basis, to put an end to a political problem.

386259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #541 of 1669 🔗

“Vaccine” wouldn’t be the end of anyone’s problem. Quite likely just the beginning. (Mikovits)

386091 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 11, #542 of 1669 🔗

I would like to know why a unproven and inadequately tested mRNA gene therapy treatment is being labelled a ‘vaccine’, when it is nothing of the sort. ‘Vaccine’ is a very specific legal definition, which this treatment does not meet.

Because I don’t want to put this ‘whatever the hell it is’ into my veins, does that make me an ‘anti-vaxxer’, for how can I be an ‘anti-vaxxer’ if it is not a vaccine?

Or does ‘anti-vaxxer’ mean that I don’t ‘believe’ in the principle that Jenner demonstrated was true, because I most certainly do.

Or am I indeed an ‘anti-vaxxer’ because I look at the criminal history of the corporations that produce modern day vaccines, the US senate hearings on the dangerous substances found in them, the resultant issues that they have caused, and feel a sense of caution towards them?

No one who uses the term has been able to give me an adequate explanation of the specific meaning of the term, which leads me to believe that there isn’t one.

This is confusing to me, because surely people of such high integrity would never just throw around a meaningless epithet just to try and win an argument, would they?

386205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -6, #543 of 1669 🔗

I would like to know why a unproven and inadequately tested mRNA gene therapy treatment is being labelled a ‘vaccine’,

Would you? However, this has nothing to do with the effectiveness of lockdowns.

386103 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, -1, #544 of 1669 🔗

No – but it’s F**k all to do with the lockdown case (for or against).

Lockdowns are either beneficial or not. I believe NOT.

386187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Mayo, 8, #545 of 1669 🔗

Well I don’t think so either. In an ideal world I suppose we could have just focused on that one problem, the lockdown efficacy problem, and if successful, the other problems would never have come to be.

But, we’re here now and the government and others are asking me to accept that a vaccine, approved on an emergency basis, for a condition which is highly unlikely to do me much harm, is essential for me. It clearly isn’t. I don’t know how I can ignore that.

The initial lockdown reaction has opened a huge can of worms, and made the issue about far, far more than just a respiratory virus.

I will say that whenever I’m having a conversation with somebody outside of this forum regarding lockdowns, I tend to focus pretty much exclusively on the cost/benefit side of things.

386058 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #546 of 1669 🔗

Questioned before… where are the double crosses coming from? XX is not in vaccine. It is a psychological device latched onto

‘The Science’, ‘Vaxxer’, ‘conspiracy theorist’ all tags showing the user to be using programmed thought.

I am sure boffins have a name for the Flag-Tags, they display a particular cognitive process that has come from external influence is a packaged fashion.

386099 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -13, #547 of 1669 🔗

Those who are opposed vaccinations – including those that are opposed to vaccinations on the grounds that it’s only for a cold.

386116 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 4, #548 of 1669 🔗

Opposed to which vaccinations? The current mRNA ‘vaccination’ (which is not, by definition, a vaccine)? Modern vaccines? All vaccines? The principle of vaccination?

386135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -13, #549 of 1669 🔗

There exists a group of people who are opposed to all vaccination.

Apparently I now need to refer to those who are opposed to “therapies” which use mRNA technology – because… er…Dolores Cahill says so or something .

386163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 2, #550 of 1669 🔗

It depends if you are willing to modulate your ignorance or not. Perhaps it would be best if you continue to refer to them as vaccines for the sake of uniformity.

386193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -6, #551 of 1669 🔗

Please educate me: Tell me what you know about messenger RNA. Tell me how this technology has been developed and why.

386220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 8, #552 of 1669 🔗

IF the technology works, it will lead to exciting advances in cancer treatment (hence Moderna’s involvement), and other possibilites.

But that’s a very big IF. And an IF that has been swept under the carpet in the rush to get the technology out of the door.

Why? A cure for cancer would be a license to print money, as would the ability to creat a vaccine in six months. And of course, this has all been made possible thanks to CRISPR.

However, since a Scandinavian team discovered in Jan 2020 that RNA can effect DNA expression, there are likely more issues for the technology than have been adequately explored, animal trials have yet to be completed successfully, and the technology is far too new to be pushing out to the public in what is essentially a third stage trial.

Greed under the cover of desperation is not a good enough reason.

386302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mayo, 6, #553 of 1669 🔗

Please educate me:

Please feed me.

386269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, 4, #554 of 1669 🔗

One such group is the Amish who avoid vaccines and are some of the healthiest in the world. 10 miles North, in well-vaccinated New Jersey, all kinds of auto-immune diseases prevail.

386053 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 19, #555 of 1669 🔗

Try telling the British public that there was no second wave.”

Try telling the British public any balanced truth about this virus. And your point is?

As to the role of Toby Young, Mike Yeadon and ‘anti-vaxxers’ – I’m not sure what your point is yoking these three disparate things together. The main factor in the ‘campaign’ has been blanket control of the media by propaganda.

386062 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 10, #556 of 1669 🔗

totally agree, Mayo’s post was cobblers

386096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -24, #557 of 1669 🔗

Young, Yeadon and the anti-vaxxers have destroyed the credibility of the lockdown case.

386121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 4, #558 of 1669 🔗

Rich H’s point – ” The main factor in the ‘campaign’ has been blanket control of the media by propaganda.”

I s what has ” destroyed the credibility of the lockdown case.”

386165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, -6, #559 of 1669 🔗

NO! There has been far too little focus on the evidence that virus progression was largely unaffected by lockdowns (or any interventions for that matter).

That and the negative effects of lockdown should have been the only message coming from lockdown sceptics.

Instead sceptics were seduced by the argument put forward by the likes of Yeadon, Levitt and Sunetra Gupta (early on) Note Gupta has now abandoned the herd immunity & low IFR arguments.

Too late. Zealots don’t need to concern themselves with the real arguments against lockdown. They can simply pick holes in all the idiotic tripe that has been written since March

386185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 4, #560 of 1669 🔗

You haven’t answered ny questions below?
How can someone abandon ‘herd immunity’? The only sense in vaccination is to create herd immunity. If you mean ‘natural herd immunity’ because of T-cell memory from other coronavirus and/or getting SARS2 then say so.
And I haven’t seen any revisions to IFR recently from any source.

386201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -7, #561 of 1669 🔗

They have abandoned the proposition that we were close to “herd immunity”.

Gupta’s original IFR estimate ranged between 0.01% and 0.1%.

The 2 were linked. Low IFR implied a large chunk of the population had already been exposed to the virus.

It was irresponsible nonsense.

386236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #562 of 1669 🔗

Well Fergusons was 1% with total susceptibility among the population. I think we can say Gupta was right to be suspicious

386318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #563 of 1669 🔗

0.9% – which was not an unreasonable estimate at the time.

386296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 2, #564 of 1669 🔗

It was irresponsible nonsense

As I recall, it was a working hypothesis, one of a broader range of hypotheses – and a quite reasonable one – which they were using to peer into the future trajectory of the disease.

386313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to TJN, #565 of 1669 🔗

It was one of a number of scenarios.

Rather than focus on the more likely mid-range values, they highlighted the extreme low-end (IFR) scenario.

A bit like others highlighted Ferguson’s extreme high end scenario.

386474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, #566 of 1669 🔗

I thought it was the press who focussed on the outlier scenarios?

But doesn’t your response negate your It was irresponsible nonsense ?

Probably not the place for another Ferguson debate.

386214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #567 of 1669 🔗

Well it is true that the Zealots look for anything to discredit LS’s – but they would find something to divert attention to lockdown failures – that’s what they do, pointless blaming people for this reality…

I’m surprised you fell for it so easily.

maybe we simply need to draw the conversation back to lockdown failure – unfortunately the LS scientific voices are silenced through insult rather than scientific discussion, and certainly aloud nowhere near the main media.

The attacks on Sir Desmond S is an example of how the zealots are using dishonesty to attack, rather than reasonable argument – they have simply lost.

This is a great little clip someone just posted a few mins ago, only very short – and is another explanation for your second wave..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cA7moHQdEk

386321 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, #568 of 1669 🔗

I’m surprised you fell for it so easily.

I haven’t fallen for anything. My opinion hasn’t changed.

386406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, #569 of 1669 🔗

My opinion hasn’t changed

yes, i think we all suffer from this to some extent

386217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 4, #570 of 1669 🔗

“Young, Yeadon and the anti-vaxxers have destroyed the credibility of the lockdown case.”

Hmm. You got that bit right.

386234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 7, #571 of 1669 🔗

Well Tice, Brady and Young did a good job of winning over those on the Cambridge debate last night.

386094 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -14, #572 of 1669 🔗

As to the role of Toby Young, Mike Yeadon and ‘anti-vaxxers’

Toby Young – no second wave
Yeadon – herd immunity achieved in Spring
anti-Vaxxers – vaccines ineffective, don’t work blah blah blah

My responses to all

TY – There will be a second wave in the Autumn. THERE WAS.
MY – We were nowhere near herd immunity in the spring.
Vaccines – they are working and are probably the only short term route out of this mess.

All of these issues were widely publicised by Lockdown sceptics and all of them were clearly wrong. Half-wit journalists have taken Young apart for his “no second wave” BS. He has lost all credibility.

The really irritating thing is not one of these issues is relevant to the effectiveness of lockdowns.

386128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 4, #573 of 1669 🔗

well lets see…. clearly the virus is endemic and causing deaths in the very unwell, but maybe influenza is too, is anyone looking? maybe this is a bad flu year with endemic covid on top, who is looking – problem we have is arrogant egotistical scientists who are more interested in proving themselves to be right – many seem to struggle to have a good critical look in the mirror, it is their weakness….

386130 ▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mayo, 5, #574 of 1669 🔗

The facts on the ‘second wave’ question are still not all available. Everybody knew and said publicly that a seasonal upswing would occur. The large numbers announced daily are almost certainly a factor of the mass use of the discredited PCR test. Cases, deaths and hospital occupancy all hang on this.

Either this virus is unlike any other in history or Herd Immunity will occur, in fact may well have. Without a mass T cell immunity testing program we will never know the answer to this but it’s at least as likely as the alternative. For me the clincher was the WHO removing naturally occurring immunity from their definition of herd immunity. Clearly it represents a real threat to their agenda.

I would respectfully suggest Mayo that you report back to your masters that you tried to derail LS but they are too stubborn.

386182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to eastender53, -6, #575 of 1669 🔗

LS has derailed itself. You (we) are shrinking by the day and are becoming completely irrelevant.

386206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, #576 of 1669 🔗

For someone who is opposed to lockdowns you have a funny way of showing it.

386304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #577 of 1669 🔗

I’m opposed to ridiculous assertions.

386241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 6, #578 of 1669 🔗

Stay at home Mayo. Save lives. You’re not ready to come outside

386247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to Mayo, #579 of 1669 🔗

Sounds very much like psychological projection.

386295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, #580 of 1669 🔗

Stop feeding this troll. Ignore.

386631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #581 of 1669 🔗

Help reduce the numbers on this site by 1 more and leave if you don’t like it.

386198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to eastender53, 4, #582 of 1669 🔗

The facts on the ‘second wave’ question are still not all available”

They are. June-December mortality was well below exceptional limits, judged over 27 years – as I’ve already posted.

The April spike was quite different, and typical of a viral surge.

386240 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 1, #583 of 1669 🔗

I can do it too. NO SECOND WAVE

Why are you here Mayo? You seem. To suggest one contested issue leads to full vindication of the lockdown fanatics. It’s utterly pathetic

386080 ▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Mayo, 5, #584 of 1669 🔗

There was no second wave

386113 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to franknhonest, -8, #585 of 1669 🔗

The virus increased transmission in the Autumn. There is no doubt about that. I don’t really care how you refer to it. Anyone with half a brain knew it wasn’t the end of the virus in spring.

Young & Yeadon didn’t know this. At least Young has now back-pedalled while Yeadon continues to dig a deeper hole.

386126 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 2, #586 of 1669 🔗

There is no doubt about that. “

Saying that doesn’t make it so. You do not have absolute proof of this.

386179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to GrannySlayer, -5, #587 of 1669 🔗

Oh, FFS, give it a rest.

ONS testing during summer was picking up 0.04% positives. In December ONS was detecting 25+ times that rate.

ZOE reported ~18k symptomatic cases in August. In early January it reported over 800k cases.

Then there’s my anecdotal evidence, of course. I knew no-one who had the virus before December . I can name at least 20 close relatives and acquaintances who have had it since then.

I’ll leave aside my knowledge of local NHS Trusts.

386209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 3, #588 of 1669 🔗

I’ll disregard your anectdotes. You know why.

Testing has been problematic, so you cannot say that these were true detections.

From cemb.net:

“It was not possible to make a precise quantitative assessment of the association between RT-PCR results and the success rate of viral culture within these studies.

This means that PCR Positives might or might not lead to concluding that a subject testing positive by PCR is infectious. Why? Because PCR positives have not been correlated to the growth of the virus in culture. They continue to explain why this correlation is not possible:

“These studies were not adequately sized nor performed in a sufficiently standardised manner and may be subject to reporting bias.”

And, of course, the recent WHO advisory.

386634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 1, #589 of 1669 🔗

Testing based on PCR tests. Enough said.

386170 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 3, #590 of 1669 🔗

Here’s the facts :

Throughout the autumn – to December – all-cause mortality ran at normal or below normal levels for the season (27-year baseline) .

We do not know what role Covid played in this mortality, and it is impossible to know because of confused practices in diagnosis and death registration.

We can be fairly sure from the surrounding evidence that misattribution will have tended to seriously overestimate that role. Swedish research in Care Homes suggests around 17% may be deaths mainly or solely attributable to Covid.

386081 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mayo, 4, #591 of 1669 🔗

If looks like 77 and sounds like 77…….

386122 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Mayo, 8, #592 of 1669 🔗

Even if you were correct, which you seem not be, you have forgotten the principles of our democracy. They are it is us who hold the government to account not them us. The huge failures of government are there for all to see and hear, which is why they want to stop us seeing and hearing them.

386160 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 3, #593 of 1669 🔗

Do you believe the healthy and/or young should be encouraged to take these vaccines considering the tiny risk of death from the virus and the unknown irreversible long term risk of the vaccine to your immune system?

386178 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, 7, #594 of 1669 🔗

Looks like a winter resurgence to me. Of course if you label enough deaths as covid, and use propaganda to fool the populace at large, you can create a statistical second wave

Plenty of us who realised there was significant community immunity after the Spring, said that we would see an increase in covid in the winter and that is what happened.

When you take out indirect deaths from lockdown, you end up with this winter respiratory deaths similar to 2017/2018 so a not abnormal season, and not a second wave.

A second wave is what you saw with the Spanish flu in 1918. The second wave (possibly a different virus) hit a different demographic of younger people and hit them hard during the second wave much harder than the first wave of the Spanish flu.

Certainly there was an under-estimation of how much of this winter’s respiratatory deaths would be covid (because SARS-C0V-2 was dominating the virome or because more viral infections were being allocated as covid) but you can’t get predictions spot on.

We were promised a second wave by Whitty in the Summer; he never mentioned that SARs-C0V-2 was a seasonal virus, and on the few occasions seasonality was talked about he denied it existed. As a result he kept promising us a second wave in the summer which was a preposterously absurd claim.

And then we had the claim from Whitty/Vallance in the autumn/summer that 93% of the population was still completely susceptible to the virus and that 4,000 a day would die. Again completely absurd nonsense.

So anti-lockdowners haven’t got everything completely right (although they’ve got pretty close) but their reputations are very much intact when assessment is made by those who are able to use the scientific method, free of biases and conflicts of interest.

Whereas the government scientists (and those scientists supporting that view) have been catastrophically wrong to the extent that they look like some sort of medieval soothsayers.

386033 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #595 of 1669 🔗

There would have been no second case wave, if the PCR tests had been standardized over the summer.
There would have been no second deaths wave, if the people in charge had spent a few millions on proper RCTs for treatments like HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin B and D etc..
For the latter, they should all face charges for mass-manslaughter and rot in a Gulag.

386074 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JayBee, 6, #596 of 1669 🔗

Agree 100%

386120 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Bella Donna, -10, #597 of 1669 🔗

Disagree 100&.

386297 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, #598 of 1669 🔗

Stop feeding the troll.

386127 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JayBee, -13, #599 of 1669 🔗

There would have been no second case wave, if the PCR tests had been standardized over the summer.

Ha – so that’s what forced 6 close relatives in their 30s and 40s to spend over a week in bed and a further week coughing and vomiting before they managed to summon enough energy to walk round the garden.

I’m beginning to see why the lockdown argument is floundering.

386132 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #600 of 1669 🔗

LOL – there you are….

386144 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mayo, 7, #601 of 1669 🔗

Would that be these symptoms?

386245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to eastender53, -6, #602 of 1669 🔗

No.

The main difference being that all of them reported apparent recovery followed by a period of worsening symptoms. They all claimed it was nothing like they’d ever had before. There is also the concentration of numbers.

I have never, ever known of any more than one or two flu cases in any season and I’ve lived through the HK flu season among several others. I’ve worked it factories and universities and mixed with hundreds of people. I can’t remember a single absence during on 8 year period

This is way out of my experience.

386249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mayo, 2, #603 of 1669 🔗

You and your anectdotes…. lol.

386642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 1, #604 of 1669 🔗

“They all claimed it was nothing like they’d ever had before.”

Also known as hysteria.

386177 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 5, #605 of 1669 🔗

I think you’re floundering when you cite a local personal observation as substantial evidence of the overall situation.

What were they suffering from? – is the first question. What were they tested for?

386230 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -5, #606 of 1669 🔗

They all tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. I have experience of flu. Occasionally this might affect someone I know – rarely more than one or two at the most in the same year.

Apart from the 6 nephews and offspring above, there are a least 15 other close acquaintances who succumbed. This is not the flu.

386244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 1, #607 of 1669 🔗

PCR +? Ok

386965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Mayo, #608 of 1669 🔗

Maybe a bad flu for some?

Your anecdotal symptoms look awfully like that poster above.

Maybe it’s a really really bad coldy-fluy-chesty fucker that your anecdotal fam and friends hadn’t been exposed to before?

Are they aware of how keen you are to inject them with an experimental concoction of the variety that has resulted in the death of the animals it’s been tried on, only this one has skipped the animal trials and replaced them with us? For a fucking bad (maybe really bad) flu?

How about you quit bitching about Tobes and Mikey Boy, stop suggesting medical experiments on Joe Public are a good idea for a bad flu and write something mind blowingly face slappingly brilliant for the cause ATL that demonstrates why lockdowns are killing people, our way of life, businesses, the economy and our belief in considered, sane, measured, appropriate and darned right decent governance.

You’re obviously knowledgeable. You surely know that surpressing this virus is causing more damage than is necessary and is laughably futile.

C’mon Mayo, spread some of your love, or do one.

386641 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #609 of 1669 🔗

Evidence that it was COVID19 and advise on any other factors such as obesity/other medical conditions.

385977 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #610 of 1669 🔗

https://news.yahoo.com/student-suicides-drive-las-vegas-153100318.html is it going to take something like this to happen before our government takes remedial action?

386443 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, #611 of 1669 🔗

Although it is a good thing that they are opening up, does the article say how they know? Deep surveillance.
Maybe all the kids here should use their govt issued laptops in the same way.

385983 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #612 of 1669 🔗

There are still a lot of people trying to blame the death of Gary Matthews on sceptical views.

By the same rationale the majority of the claimed 100k dead died because they believed the mainstream views.

It’s not much different to saying only people who believe in God will go to heaven.

386028 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #613 of 1669 🔗

This is why libertarians and the right are losing the culture war. We’re not willing to use dead people as political ammunition, but the left has no issues doing that. And the people are too stupid and ignorant to see what’s going on.

386213 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #614 of 1669 🔗

Yes, a race to the bottom sounds great.

386301 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #615 of 1669 🔗

I didn’t say we should use their tactics. It was merely an observation.

386610 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -1, #616 of 1669 🔗

When you mention left/right your argument goes straight out of the window.

385986 Mark, replying to Mark, 36, #617 of 1669 🔗

Just slipped in at the end, but if this were verified then it is a huge story. The difficulty is getting it from “credible sources” that can be used in the mainstream. It’s huge because it is at the heart of several of our biggest modern problems – censorship, coronapanic and the central involvement in both of them of the dominant political forces.

Facebook just announced it “made a mistake” when it censored studies showing HCQ saves lives. Censorship is never “a mistake.” Tech executives repeatedly made a calculated decision, month after month, silencing physicians worldwide.

Whether or not any such “admission” has in fact, been made, or is ever made (which seems unlikely, not because it is untrue but because such people rarely admit to their falsehoods when they have had such huge consequences), this is something they should not be allowed to get away with sliding quietly into the “old news” category.

Let’s be clear here. Facebook and its establishment fellows suppressed HCQ for two motives – hatred of and political rivalry with Trump, who backed it early on, and the desire to prevent any approach to covid other than lockdown and vaccination. The result was, if HCQ is established as an effective treatment, huge numbers of unnecessary deaths and all the immense costs of lockdown incurred needlessly.

There is only one word for that, and the word is evil. It ought to be criminal as well.

But it’s unlikely such accountabity will ever be applied against the powerful, especially since the Trump-hating lockdown-loving Biden Democrats succeeded (in part perhaps thanks to their suppression of HCQ) in buying election to the executive office in the US.

Nevertheless, this should be a scandal to dominate and change the attitudes of a generation. Huge numbers of people have died as a result of partisan political and personal hatred, and as a result of active censorship and suppression of truth supposedly for “the greater good”.

These are core issues for our times.

385996 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mark, 9, #618 of 1669 🔗

Yes, absolutely core and May be a way out of this madness. As I posted previously, it’s not Facebook that have changed their stance, it’s also the American Journal of Medicine.

386000 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 1, #619 of 1669 🔗

I remember hearing at the start of all of this that the shelves were cleared overnight in OZ of HCQ

386008 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DanClarke, 3, #620 of 1669 🔗

Shelves cleared in France in February.

386013 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #621 of 1669 🔗

Plandemic

386038 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to DanClarke, 1, #622 of 1669 🔗

Even here we banned the export of it.

386036 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Mark, 3, #623 of 1669 🔗

It wasn’t Facebook, exactly, but Facebook’s oversight board, who recommended to Facebook to remove warnings about HCQ. But i agree with the rest. I agree with the reasoning you point to. I agree with the consequences they should incur, and i agree that, most likely, nothing will come of it. That’s what happens when you work for the mob.

385993 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 14, #624 of 1669 🔗

ATL we find a BBC “interview” with Professor Sharon Peacock who thinks the possibility of new Covid variants means restrictions need to continue indefinitely. I am sure she must be a first class scientist judged from the narrow confines of her specialty. However she ignores, or displays a complete lack of appreciation of the real-world immune system, how it works, that it requires a varied diet to function efficiently, how it can be fortified by a number chemical elements and boosted by cheap compounds.

In addition, our immune systems work on a vast array of pathogens and long before “new variants” are detected by laboratory techniques. However, they need to be primed with very mild doses that they would customarily encounter in the normal course of our lives.

Guy de la Bédoyère’s critique steers clear of any mention of the successes of HCQ and Ivermectin treatments that have been shown to be highly effective and would render the Professor’s speculations to the mists of insignificance.

386077 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #625 of 1669 🔗

However she ignores, or displays a complete lack of appreciation of the real-world immune system, how it works, that it requires a varied diet to function efficiently, how it can be fortified by a number chemical elements and boosted by cheap compounds.”

Well, yes, but more importantly if she sees a “need” for indefinite restrictions she displays a complete lack of appreciation of balancing harms and benefits when tackling public health or any other important issue.

386168 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 7, #626 of 1669 🔗

Correct. More succinctly, she lacks humanity. Exactly the kind of person you don’t want influencing social policy.

386288 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #627 of 1669 🔗

Professor Sharon Peacock …

… with the lead pipe

… in the conservatory

386299 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #628 of 1669 🔗

And as for lining up for that vaccination… Just don’t and say you did. Because the last thing you want/need is to be trotting down the surgery for a top-up, like a good citizen, every 3 months because your immune system can no longer recognise or fight coronaviruses.

385997 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #629 of 1669 🔗

HeraldScotland
One in seven shops now empty as Covid restrictions take toll on retail sector

386006 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 5, #630 of 1669 🔗

Thank you St Nicola for closing our shops.

386017 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to arfurmo, 7, #631 of 1669 🔗

The nationalists are cheering it on. I don’t even expect to see protests this spring. This country is a progressive virtue signalling nightmare.

386066 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #632 of 1669 🔗

They think once the English have gone, the shops will open up again, as if by magic.

386150 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 8, #633 of 1669 🔗

We could have had everyone out working to make money to help pay for the protection of the vulnerable.

Instead, in the interests of fairness, we made everyone suffer whilst making them poorer (even those who think they’re better off throughout this are actually poorer due to the debt that’s been racked up) and we still didn’t protect the vulnerable.

That’s some high level thinking right there.

386005 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 18, #634 of 1669 🔗

At least there is some good news for human freedom today regarding the Council of Europe ruling.

It’s a pity they’re all wearing masks in that picture. If they’d have held that meeting in a pub, they’d only have to wear them when they stood up and it would have helped out a struggling publican.

386037 ▶▶ RickH, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #635 of 1669 🔗

Yes – but it’s a lot less strong than the Council of Europe’s scathing report on the H1N1 fiasco in 2000.

386014 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 66, #636 of 1669 🔗

I think I am experiencing the law of attraction everywhere I go skeptics, the lad who served me maskless in M&S calling the whole shit show Bollocks with the rest of the staff thinking the same, Newsagent same thing all Bollocks, staff in Iceland all fucked of fed up.. people at bus stop all pissed of, staff customers in co-op just the same.. uncanny..in the real world the Truth..in the MSM Fucking shite and lies the narrative is dead..

386032 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #637 of 1669 🔗

I’m not sure that the ‘narrative is dead’, even if there’s a shift. I think you’ve been lucky in your balance of contacts.

Even though there’s a fair amount of non-compliance, when push comes to shove, a lot will still agree with that narrative.

386109 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to RickH, 11, #638 of 1669 🔗

Most certainly a shift in attitude,if the narratives not dead then it’s definitely on life support..

386915 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 2, #639 of 1669 🔗

There is an element among a good section of younger people, who think the official narrative is what it is, utter bollocks.

386051 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 31, #640 of 1669 🔗

I think there will be an element of people being careful who they open up to. Given the hate that is directed to anybody who goes against the grain it’s understandable that many are guarded.

This must be similar to living in Nazi occupied territory never knowing who you could trust.

386101 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #641 of 1669 🔗

I’ve not come across that hate,in fact quite the opposite the vast majority are very quick to open up once given the opportunity to vent there frustration I think the hate in the main is a product of MSM propaganda..

386140 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #642 of 1669 🔗

You’re right, I meant the hate that we see on MSM. The environment on Facebook and Twitter can only be described as toxic. If this is what people see all the time then they may well assume that’s what everyone is like in reality.

386434 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #643 of 1669 🔗

People in East Germany often tested the water when meeting new people by maybe making a mild joke about a politician. This was widely accepted even by believers. Depending on the reaction, they knew if they had to keep to party line or could speak openly.

387069 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #644 of 1669 🔗

Very similar indeed. Nobody in shops etc.,dare relax because anybody who comes in might be a snitch.Even one of us might be suspected of being an agent provocateur if we suggest that we don’t mind if the other person takes off that foul mask.

386024 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #645 of 1669 🔗

Does anyone have the link to the Telegram group RE: the ‘grand reopening’? I could really use a haircut

386045 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to stefarm, #647 of 1669 🔗

Thanks!

386133 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to nocheesegromit, #648 of 1669 🔗

My pleasure

386025 JayBee, 6, #649 of 1669 🔗

Covidian politicians and ‘scientists’ will never ever come to their senses, end restrictions and curtail their power and time in the limelight, unless and until one or more of three things happen: massive vaccination deaths, running out of money via, most likely, hyperinflation and a, likely violent, public uprising, likely only likely if one of the two prior things induce it.
The first is a possibility and could happen first, the second is a certainty but might still take another few years.

386026 RickH, 7, #650 of 1669 🔗

Better than some recent editions – but still giving too much space given to stuff like the Mystic Mog thoughts of academics like Professor Sharon Peacock (having a PhD in some field like viriology or genetics does not necessarily give insight into the wider implications of an epidemic – that is one thing we do know), the rattlings of the other Mogg and the irrelevant fact that Michie is a member of that minority interest, the Communist Party – of no more relative significance than the fact that the government is Tory.

Watch the swallowing of MSM headlines, too. The item from an NHS nurse is excellent, and reflects the reality that I have seen. But that header picture is not of ‘trolleys in corridors’ – it’s of an over-crowded A&E department with no spare bays, not a corridor. A minor, but significant detail in terms of emphasis.

386031 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #651 of 1669 🔗

Listen while you work.

Dave Cullen’s (computing forrver) exceptional interview titled –
BREAKING THE COVID TRANCE: HOW THE IRISH PEOPLE WERE PSYCHOLOGICALLY MANIPULATED
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iMbV9FpGqLk/

Posted here many times before I am sure. It is simply excellent to understand the mass psychosis sceptics here have often pondered over. If you know hos tge scam works you can beat it.

UK Column set too and produced a full transcipt of Dave’s interview.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/breaking-covid-trance-how-irish-people-were-psychologically-manipulated

The UK Column are currently having a focussed thread of work looking at the psychological attack component of the covid fraud.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/psychological-attack-uk

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/psychological-attack-uk-start-series

Make friday psychological attack fight back day.

386243 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Basics, 1, #652 of 1669 🔗

This is great stuff from UkColumn, highly recommend that readers check it out. That our Government is terrorising their own people is reprehensible. I don’t know how they get away with it. Surely it’s a blatant violation of our human rights.

386042 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #653 of 1669 🔗

Pandemic global winners and losers. According to Business Insider, things are fairly evenly balanced. You could call it a coincidence or, alternatively, theft.

https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-made-39-trillion-during-the-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccines-2021-1?r=US&IR=T
https://www.businessinsider.com/workers-lost-37-trillion-in-earnings-during-the-pandemic-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

386044 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 3, #654 of 1669 🔗

Austerity on speed.

386063 ▶▶ isobar, replying to godowneasy, 3, #655 of 1669 🔗

I’d call it obscene

386323 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to godowneasy, 1, #656 of 1669 🔗

Gamestop was fun until the house stole the float.

386047 Jo Starlin, 28, #657 of 1669 🔗

Over 130,000 people died in the UK in January through February 2018. I make that 100,000 by Valentine’s day. Remember the headlines and the panic?

No, me neither.

386048 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 14, #658 of 1669 🔗

science evolves through continuous research, experiment, etc, and rigorous debate between scientists….

the article in ’round up’ from leftlockdownsceptics about Dr Gabriel Scally is excellent – His answer to anyone’s questioning of his theory is that they must be right wing types – I’m guessing that that unscientific attitude is held by many of the sage and indi-sage lot.

Are they scientists or political activists?

386059 ▶▶ iane, replying to Major Panic, 1, #659 of 1669 🔗

If you are Right, you are wrong!

386068 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to iane, 2, #660 of 1669 🔗

LOL, yep…

I’m neither left or Right and I’m very often wrong

386070 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 13, #661 of 1669 🔗

In the new, mad, world, science is all about having right and wrong opinions and whether you are a Good or Bad person. E.g. Trump likes HCQ and Trump is Bad so HCQ is Bad.

The loonies are welcome to think like this, but should be made to go to some separate countries where they could proceed to build bridges that collapse and aeroplanes that fall out of the sky, but be happy because they are Good people and have Right opinions.

386087 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 1, #662 of 1669 🔗

Diversity bridge is falling down:

“In a perfect world, the fact that Rosenberg tried to excuse the death of six people by saying, “Hey, at least your loved ones were crushed by something that is symbolically anti-Trump” would lead to his immediate dismissal. In our imperfect world, however, it will probably lead to him having his own show on MSNBC.”

https://www.takimag.com/article/diversity_bridge_is_falling_down_my_fair_lady_david_cole/

386106 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #663 of 1669 🔗

I’d not seen that, very funny

It’s a new Dark Age where objective reality is subservient to being Good, where Good is defined by whoever is holding the levers of power.

386115 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Major Panic, 3, #664 of 1669 🔗

Science is good it’s scientists that are the problem and particularly the ones that don’t understand how they can be the problem.

386533 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Major Panic, #665 of 1669 🔗

I was watching one of the YouTube articles mentioned yesterday about asymptomatic transmission. They started talking about published papers and how its now like click bait. If your paper is utter crap and discredited as long as someone is referencing it this is now seen as a success. A referenced paper. Even if it scientifically unsound that’s not an issue. Even if the reference is “unlike this paper which is utter bollocks” that’s seen as a success.
Let’s create a paper on the positive effects of dolly mixtures on children’s recovery from covid. See if we can get a “like!”

386060 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, #666 of 1669 🔗

What’s the New Phenomenon Called “COVID Vaccine Arm”?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/heal-the-mind-heal-the-body/202101/what-s-the-new-phenomenon-called-covid-vaccine-arm

‘With the new mRNA vaccines given to millions of people all around the world, we are in a giant clinical trial and it is our duty to understand and report new vaccine reactions.
So, if you or your loved one has an unexpected reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine, please report it to your doctor, who will report it to the CDC.

In addition, register with Vsafe.cdc.gov through your smartphone as soon as you get your vaccine so that you can be automatically monitored on a regular basis.

We are in this all together and our duty is to help each other.’

386148 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Natalie Shay, #667 of 1669 🔗

This is USA advice. In the UK you must report to your GP as they have duty to report adverse drug reactions for safety monitoring.

386159 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to ituex, #668 of 1669 🔗

Not necessarily, there’s an online “yellow” form to report adverse reactions to the MHRA. If you tell your GP then they will simply fill in the same form.

386233 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to p02099003, 1, #669 of 1669 🔗

Have you used it or seen it used recently? There was a GP reporting on Medscape that every time she tried to use it it took 20 minutes of her time then failed to save.

386073 Binra, replying to Binra, 2, #670 of 1669 🔗

The saddest part is they still think they can “control” the virus.”

I could be ‘sad’ that the writer takes the bait of such a narrative leverage of the public mind. The control is being contractually set out by government and entered into by the public under legal fictions.

‘Controlling the virus’ can mean anything and nothing – as ‘in the naming and definition of the virus’ can all else be framed and subordinated.

As long as you swallow the virus narrative or meme, you are mind captured to the frame of reaction and response – which can be argued, shifted, turned on and off and set in tiers until Kingdom or Biotech security state comes online.

The WANTING to believe in the virus narrative is exactly as mad to see as the WANTING to believe in lockdowns. It is believed to offer salvation from fear – or indeed from fear of fear that mounts to terror.

Without belief, the religion built on the viral pathogen theory is undone, because it is not true. The interpreting of the process of human rebalancing and regeneration that is health of immune function through our own psychic projections, becomes a model to which all else must be sacrificed so that the system ‘survives’. The investment in an established system of belief is a currency of control. People may think that they do not want to be managed, but free to exercise responsibility for their own discernment of life, relationship and shared endeavour. But they ‘think’ in the frame of a managed mind that is already operating on ‘locked down’ meanings – as a locked down mind!

Science follows the evidence, as a willingness to uncover the truth in, on and from which to relate truly. Institutional ego, seeks only from a frame of self-reinforcement.

Invested identities are defended against truth and evidences of honest enquiry that undo fear, superstition and control, to a true basis from which to live. Attacking such identities is no less mad than believing them. They are …

This blog continues on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/setting-life-in-impossible-and.html

386134 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Binra, 14, #671 of 1669 🔗

Ferguson was the main instigator in advising B liar to cull 6 million livestock due to Foot and Mouth to control the outbreak, killing healthy animals “just in case”. We are now doing the same with the information from the same person, ok not killing people as we did with the livestock but deaths are happening due to other reasons as we all know. Nothing has been learnt as to who to listen to or what to do. Money was also thrown around to keep people quiet.
There have been questions on here as to when people realised how wrong this all was, the moment I heard Ferguson’s name I predicted where this was going sadly.
Mitigation measures are one thing with infections and virus but sometimes they just need to take their course. Locking down healthy people or culling healthy animals achieves nothing other.

386158 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cumbriacracked, 11, #672 of 1669 🔗

Ferguson and the SAGE members should be culled.

386212 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #673 of 1669 🔗

Quite!

386174 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #674 of 1669 🔗

Sir David King was Ferguson’s mentor and who instigated the cull, King is still part of Sage too.

386075 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 51, #675 of 1669 🔗

Just had a visit in work from a sales representative who is employed by a large confectionery company. He was completely masked up of course, and was telling me how he had to self isolate for 10 days because his NHS app (urgh) told him he’d been in contact with somebody with the dreaded ‘rona.

He believed it may have occurred when he was queuing up for a test (despite him having no symptoms) because a woman behind him was sneezing – although he added “I suppose she could have even been asymptomatic.”

I got through the exchange with some remarkable tongue-biting since I’m here in a professional capacity, but it felt like this person was from another world, speaking an entirely alien language. I genuinely cannot believe that people have fallen for this scam hook, line and sinker.

386093 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Scotty87, 4, #676 of 1669 🔗

See the
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iMbV9FpGqLk/

To believe how people have been manipulated into falling for it.

Level up! It was an attack on the people. It is there to listen and understand, if I could I would click the link for you!

Dave Cullen interview about tge mass trance and anatomy of the attack. Bitchute is a bit glitchy but it streams well when it starts. Audio so can do other things at same time.

386098 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 10, #677 of 1669 🔗

Also, I couldn’t sign for the stock order “because of Covid”, but the rep was happy enough to handle my grubby, infected cash to pay for it. You couldn’t make it up!

386224 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Scotty87, 2, #678 of 1669 🔗

I’d mess with them. On delivery say the order is incorrect. After all you didn’t confirm with a signature. We have to keep pushing back on stupidity including corporates who are happy to make our lives uncomfortable. Of course this is you in your professional life so it may not be something you feel you can do.

386110 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Scotty87, 17, #679 of 1669 🔗

Obviously there’s no logic left in his brain regarding Covid. It’s just a collection of unrelated ideas and images sloshing around in there implanted by months of media and government propaganda. You can’t save these people they will have to be led back out again by the media and the government…if that ever happens.

386189 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Scotty87, 6, #680 of 1669 🔗

At this point I can only think such people are either mentally challenged or psychologically damaged by the propaganda.

386317 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 4, #681 of 1669 🔗

Rep. was correct in that sneezing isn’t (remarkably!) a ‘rona symptom.

386384 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 5, #682 of 1669 🔗

Most people are stupid.
Ask any teacher.

386923 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, -1, #683 of 1669 🔗

Yes, takes one to know one.

386104 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #684 of 1669 🔗

There is currently much outrage around the notion that one cannot leave the country to go on holiday. The people expressing these views appear to have only just noticed this restriction upon our liberties when Priti Patel explicitly drew attention to it in the House of Commons. Yet, the measure is integral to the Statutory Instrument that provides the legal basis of lockdown version three. The law provides a set of reasonable excuses to leave one’s home. These reasonable excuses are the only lawful ways of leaving one’s home. Leaving one’s home for any other reason is unlawful. The list does not include going on holiday. The SI that brought in lockdown version three made going on holiday unlawful.

People are denying this, claiming that the prohibition against going on holiday is merely guidance. People making this assertion sound like they know, like they have read the guidance. Yet, the guidance clearly states:

You must not leave or be outside of your home except where you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. This is the law.

Whilst it is easy to understand why some people can be unclear about the law (as it is written as a series of amendments to prior SIs, which strikes me as a deiberate act of obscurantism), this does not apply to the guidance, which is written in plain English, and the guidance, as the above quote illustrates, distinguishes between what is advice and what is law (by using should and must).

I am puzzled by why people, who apparently are paying attention, did not notice that lockdown version three made going on holiday illegal immediately, and when confronted with the Home Secretary pointing out that foreign holidays were not allowed, were still incapable of recognising this, and wilfully interpreted it as mere guidance. Pretending that something does not exist does not make it so. But it does make it impossible to deal with it rationally.

Pretending the world is other than it is, is a recipe for counter-productive actions, sub-optimal outcomes, and unnecessary negative emotions. it can only make a bad situation worse. For a perfect illustration of this truism just reflect upon how the lockdownistas see the world.

386137 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #685 of 1669 🔗

Nonsense. How do you define reasonable excuse for leaving your home? Unless the legislation/instrument specifically states holidays it is merely guidance and subjective guidance at that. The same goes for local. Closing borders and stopping travel does not stop a virus and its variants wherever they occur occur in the world. You can’t import a mutations of viruses, mutations occur anyway. The become more transmissible but less lethal.

386147 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to alw, 7, #686 of 1669 🔗

A “reasonable excuse” for leaving your home would clearly be going on holiday, as in, can you perform said task from home, clearly not. Therefore, reasonable.

386152 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, #687 of 1669 🔗

I do not define reasonable excuse. I pointed out the law. You clearly do not believe, so here’s a link to the law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/contents

386173 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Hayes, #688 of 1669 🔗

The law must specifically state that holidays are forbidden.

386184 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jinks, 1, #689 of 1669 🔗

It doesn’t. What it does is say one must stay at home, unless one has a reasonable excuse and it specifies those reasonable excuses: going on holiday is not one of them.

386283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #690 of 1669 🔗

No point in arguing with her to those who won’t listen. Government won’t put in writing as they know it is unenforceable and can easily be challenged in court. You can say need a holiday for the sake of your sanity which is a reasonable excuse. I have a contacted law or fiction for clarification.

386404 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, #691 of 1669 🔗

I have law or fiction’s exposition on this and it does not does not say that there is a reasonable excuse to go on holiday. Perhaps you would like to present their “clarification”?

386266 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #692 of 1669 🔗

and here is a link to the specific text on restriction of movement
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/made

and this is an extract

6. —(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

Then it lists various reasonable excuses.

NOTE . para 2 says “…..excuse INCLUDES …”
So this list is not exhaustive. Just because a reason is not on the list does not mean it is not permitted . It just means it is not specifically permitted.
If someone left home to go on holiday then that is not specifically permitted but it could still be a reasonable excuse and that is something that would be argued in court. As could any excuse.
It is a deliberate grey area to make people assume it is not permitted.

Note that a permitted excuse is ” to provide voluntary or charitable services.. that cannot be performed from home”. So take a food parcel with you on holiday to give to someone.
Seriously though, the guy that was done by the gestapo for providing soup. Surely this excuse covered him.

386290 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 2, #693 of 1669 🔗

Here is a true life example.
I took my car to the garage on Monday for its MOT. (this is a legal requirement for the car), It has passed (amazingly). This afternoon i will walk to the garage to pick it up as i need it.

This is not referenced in the list of permitted excuses. So according to Steve’s logic i am breaking the law.

But it is a reasonable excuse. otherwise tens of thousands of people are breaking the law. So if i am stopped this afternoon i will tell the police if they ask that i am going to collect my car. And they should respond ok. thank you , goodbye.

386463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to mj, #694 of 1669 🔗

Good point, you are allowed to take your car to the garage, but not allowed to collect it again even if it passed.

Sound like a green reset to me.

386380 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mj, #695 of 1669 🔗

The law you have linked to is not the lockdown version three law. Here is the current law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/contents

386423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #696 of 1669 🔗

I accept that i linked to an earlier version .

But it makes no difference here is the specific schedule of the document you refer to
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A

And again what i said still applies

Restrictions on leaving home

1. —(1) No person who lives in the Tier 4 area may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1)—
(a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in paragraph 2 applies;

Again note “circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse INCLUDE where one of the exceptions set out in paragraph 2.applies”

So this has not changed. The list is circumstances which are specifically permitted . Nowhere does it say what is not permitted. And the list is not exhaustive.
So my example still applies. I am going to pick my car up from the garage. It is not a specified permitted reason . However it is a reasonable excuse.
And any excuse which is not specifically mentioned may be reasonable and that would be for a court to determine

Please correct me if i am not looking at the correct page

386882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mj, #697 of 1669 🔗

Exception 11 by clear implication shows your interpretation to be wrong. If you are not going on holiday whilst this law is in force, all this is academic. However, if you are, I would suggest that you think of another reason for your travel, one that fits the legally identified reasonable excuses.

386139 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, #698 of 1669 🔗

While I agree with your points in large measure, I would point out that IIRC the same wording applied during the first phase of lockdown in March and again in the national phase of lockdown in November, so if the wording now makes going on holiday illegal, then the same was true before

However I disagree that it makes going on holiday illegal. The list of reasonable excuses is not exhaustive as far as I know

386188 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #700 of 1669 🔗

It’s not clear to me whether that list of exceptions is exhaustive or not – it doesn’t say. I don’t know what the default position is. If the list is exhaustive then going on holiday is unlikely to be a reasonable excuse, but I think the same was true during the other national phases of lockdown.

Start an international courier service and employ yourself and your family and friends as drivers.

386257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #701 of 1669 🔗

Your last paragraph is to the point. It is only if one recognises reality (rather than deny it) that one can take effective action. For example, if one wished to go on holiday to Spain, under the lockdown SI it is unlawful, but it would be perfectly lawful to travel to Spain seeking to purchase a house for instance, and the negotiations might well take a couple of weeks.

386192 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #702 of 1669 🔗

Although the legislation may be not completely clear I think it is reasonable to say that going on holiday outside the UK is pushing the interpretation a little too far. But if you have a holiday caravan somewhere in the UK you may justify that as going to do essential maintenance on it. Other holidays in the UK are probably out as none of the hotels are offering anything like service.

386199 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Hayes, #703 of 1669 🔗

I would have thought a pre-booked holiday could be considered a reasonable excuse, particularly if it would leave you out of pocket if you didn’t go.

Booking a holiday after the change of rules might be contestable but they’d then have to check when the holiday was booked and I don’t think whoever is stopping you would have the time to do that.

Just my perspective as I’ve not studied the rules in great detail.

386261 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, #704 of 1669 🔗

The term reasonable excuse here does not refer to what you or I or someone else might consider to be reasonable. It refers to the exemptions in the SI.

386349 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #705 of 1669 🔗

Laws are enforceable, otherwise they are guidance. Even with stated exclusions the only way they are enforceable is if someone who legally can enforce does so. So for instance an airline employee at an airport is not legally able to enforce. Indeed it is unlikely anyone at an airport can, including border control. It is true that a policeman can ask you to return home if he thinks you do not have a ‘reasonable’ rationale for travelling, but then he has to be very sure about what is not ‘reasonable’.
In practice this sort of legislation only works if enough people think it is illegal to do otherwise, ie its a form of ‘terror’ inflicted by government.
I think its up to the individual, I would not suggest you do something you don’t feel comfortable with. Personally I see freedom to travel as sacrosanct so will continue to defy this sort of edict for as long as possible.

386420 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to peyrole, 1, #706 of 1669 🔗

You seem to be confusing my pointing out the law with believing I support said law. For the purpose of clarification: I do not. On the contrary, I think people should ignore the rules.

386108 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 20, #707 of 1669 🔗

Just heard the vomit inducing Jeremy Vine exalting over the ‘new’ vaccine that is ‘British’ and ‘89%’ effective!

Effective at what? Prevention from infection or transmission? Of course not. 89% effective at reducing symptoms that for most people are minimal to non existing anyway. Of course no mention of side effects.

He also extolled ‘all the scientists for their unprecedented work’. Should have been ‘Big Pharma and Governments for removing all safeguards and promoting the widespread use of experimental vaccines without any possibility of legal proceedings when they go wrong’

386131 ▶▶ jb12, replying to eastender53, #708 of 1669 🔗

Novavax are an American company.

386183 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, 3, #709 of 1669 🔗

Gonna be produced in Scarborough or some place. No wonder the corporate entity that is the UK Gov want to get as many people jabbed as possible

386146 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to eastender53, 1, #710 of 1669 🔗

Wonder if its the same as making a bit extra from any sort of advertising for them?

386164 ▶▶ Basics, replying to eastender53, 7, #711 of 1669 🔗

89% is pants my own system is 99.97%

Also are they caluclsting relative or absolute risk, absolute risk my come in at under 1% effective. All moot and spin in anycase. Same a a marketing brichure for the latest tesla. BTW have you seen how well Teslas burn?

386268 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to eastender53, 2, #712 of 1669 🔗

Regardless of the prattlings of Vine and of the company ‘s origin, what are the thoughts of the collective here on the mechanism by which this vaccine operates . It seems closer to the original definition of a vaccine and I personally have never had any adverse reaction to annual flu vaccines. I would be confident in taking it, whereas the other vaccines , based on gene therapy , frighten me frankly. (mind you at my age does it matter if the vaccine terminates me with a cytokine storm?- more money for the children and grandchildren to help them survive the current train wreck.).

386399 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to eastender53, 2, #713 of 1669 🔗

If it is only effective in reducing symptoms, is it not a medicine I could take when I show symptoms?
I’d rather risk the very low chance of getting infected than put something into my body that is an untested, new procedure that can make it more dangerous for me for ANY infection.

386117 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #714 of 1669 🔗

What do you think sceptics,a change from the WW2 shall I or shan’t I?

386123 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #715 of 1669 🔗

Beehive yourself!

386138 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #716 of 1669 🔗

Good one.

386379 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #717 of 1669 🔗

Buzz buzz.

386125 ▶▶ mj, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #718 of 1669 🔗

interesting … but i think you also need a balaclava

386136 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to mj, 1, #719 of 1669 🔗

I have several..

386143 ▶▶ danny, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #720 of 1669 🔗

Oh you’ve got to do that. Would love a trip to Tesco wearing that.

386145 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #721 of 1669 🔗

You could always try these, Bruce:

386153 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #722 of 1669 🔗

Holy shizer, a mask and a water cooler on their heads? I feel safer already.

386181 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #723 of 1669 🔗

Fuck Nick can you believe that shit,these fucks should be in the local lunatic asylum not out in public..

386191 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #724 of 1669 🔗

Where is social services to take that poor kid into care?

386203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to danny, 3, #725 of 1669 🔗

Knowing them they’d go along with this shit.heap praise on the parents for such a high level of care..

386442 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #726 of 1669 🔗

I think plod needs to give them a tap on the shoulder.

386208 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #727 of 1669 🔗

I say why not? Looks like it would be super safe to me. The holes in those are the same order of magnitude as those in the face knickers, to a virus that is.

386334 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #728 of 1669 🔗

no, you’ll just give them ideas

386141 Brett_McS, 1, #729 of 1669 🔗

If they can’t control the virus then what use are they? Oh, right.

386149 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 30, #730 of 1669 🔗

The Left lockdown sceptics piece about Gabriel Scally was chilling. A dead-eyed psychopath. I wonder about all these people. Do they have any hinterland, any life beyond their obsessions? I understand Whitty is a teetotal, childless vegan who lives alone. Are they all the same? Joyless, loveless, sexless, dried up husks?

386162 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #731 of 1669 🔗

Obsessions can drive you mad, they can be all consuming

386210 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #732 of 1669 🔗

I hate to say this but you could predict the people at medical school who would go into public health, they were the pale, joyless, friendless individuals who were never ‘students’. I went to one day of lectures then got on the train/hovercraft (yes, that long ago) to Paris and still got a B in the exam 10 days later.

386765 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to ituex, #733 of 1669 🔗

Yes- this. You absolutely could.

386378 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #734 of 1669 🔗

Wankok has sprogs.Horrible thought.

386154 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 11, #735 of 1669 🔗

Has anyone noticed how the weather has suddenly become calm with no wind, rain or snow? Obviously, the atmosphere realises that it is infected and stops at our border, thus preventing the virus from entering the country.

386169 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to p02099003, 33, #736 of 1669 🔗

It’s raining exponentially here. I can only assume you’re experiencing asymptomatic rainfall where you are.

386303 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Achilles, 1, #737 of 1669 🔗

if that is “covid case” exponentially , i’d start building an ark if i were you

386375 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 3, #738 of 1669 🔗

Our local rainfall testing centre is rammed with worried people who have got wet.

386176 ▶▶ davews, replying to p02099003, 3, #739 of 1669 🔗

Mike Graham on Talk Radio just now trying to cheer everybody up saying there is lovely blue sky there. Only a few little patches poking through a few miles to the west of him…

386166 danny, replying to danny, 29, #740 of 1669 🔗

Quick question. Has there ever been another incident of a disease or virus where the death toll has not been reset at the end of the year?
Surely 2020 had a corona related death toll, but we are now in 2021.
can you imagine if the same was done for pneumonia, for cancer etc?
at what point do they stop collectively counting.
how about road traffic deaths reaching 5 million! Ok, it’s since world war 2, but still. Ridiculous.

386180 ▶▶ leggy, replying to danny, 3, #741 of 1669 🔗

Not that I’m aware of. These things tend to be measured monthly, quarterly or annually in order to benchmark and identify trends.

386223 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 9, #742 of 1669 🔗

Covid stats are not for idenitifying anything, they are in order to push the narrative

386175 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #743 of 1669 🔗

No cases at all of flu in the United Kingdom; a medical triumph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cA7moHQdEk

History Debunked

Reported cases of Covid-19 seem to be rising exponentially. There may be a simple explanation for this, as at the same time cases of influenza have dropped to zero

386194 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #744 of 1669 🔗

That is a brilliant

one for Mayo and his ‘second wave’ theory

386258 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #745 of 1669 🔗

.. and how much longer before the thick British skulls will realize they have been scammed by the government into the biggest scientific fraud of ALL times…? At the cost of their health and lives and livelihoods and those of their loved ones?
Pointing back to Dolores Cahill who sequences the positive Covid results from people and has found… Influenza A and B…! Tadaaa. Now the jab please for expedited depopulation of the country and genocide of the elderly that we care about so so much…”cue crocodile tears”.
I mean how can it even remotely be possible that Covid keeps spreading and yet flu dispappears despite ludicrous masks and testing and quarantine etc etc etc?

386186 Binra, #746 of 1669 🔗

purified pieces of the spike protein that are administered with an adjuvant, a molecule that enhances the immune response.”

I wonder what that means to the ordinary reader!
(Book recommendation and an enjoyable read – is Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts).

“Genetic recombinant segments of a genetically defined toxic ‘molecule’ which has no known existence as an isolation and identification of a pathogen in pre-genetic modelling scientific terms, are injected through the natural immune barriers of our skin, into our blood. As an antigen, they are toxic elements provoking the body to neutralise and or eliminate. The adjuvant is a much stronger poison. The idea that this enhances the body’s call to contain and deal with shock, is all based in the idea of conditioning a body to better controls or masking defences by attacking it, shocking it and degrading it to normalise to a toxic social environment.

That health comes from ‘within’ is to say it is innate to being. The generating of projections of fear and attack ‘without’ generates a masked defence that covers over and hides true being under a mis-taken identity set in fear and confusion. This ‘identity’ runs as long as the conditions are triggered, as a dissociated sense of past trauma reiterating.
We come ‘back to our senses’ that is to a centred and balanced appreciation of our relational being – when the shock subsides and the fear is released. But if the underlying patterns and associations are not also released, then the ‘conflict shock’ remains latent within the body or indeed the body corporate – as a persistent source of ‘re-triggering’ both the original conflict and its suppression. This can deny specific symptoms, but at cost to the capacity of the body to function as a whole, because shock operates the fight flight diversion of all functions to what is core or essential to dealing with an acute need to act. It shuts down a true Economy to a very specific acute focus. It does not ‘enhance’ or boost the Economy, so much as feed a negatively reinforcing feedback loop that is parasitic and destructive to its host. A short term and specific ‘gain’ can then seem to be assigned to controls that depend on shock, or fear and dissociation, to operate – and yet they deplete and conflict or toxify true function – or more simply put they are unable to function as Life Support except on a ‘ventilator’ – or externally applied system of manually managed ‘life functions’

The capacity of a mind to externalise its own conflict – as if to get rid of it. Is mirrored in the body or the body corporate, as the ability to encapsulate conflict imbalance and toxins to forms that are peripheral as a storage strategy when rebalancing and elimination or release cannot be effected. Of course this is simply sketch a very complex entanglement of conflicts that would equate to the human condition – or more accurately, the human conditioning.

… full post is available at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/01/fear-of-invisible-set-in-mystery.html

386197 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 79, #747 of 1669 🔗

I’ve just had a bit of an argument with my husband. A good friend of his has died after testing positive for covid (she had underlying conditions too) and she was under 30. An exceptional circumstance albeit very sad and yes, a tragedy for someone of her age to die prematurely.

He’s now gone on full lockdown support mode and had a go at me for disagreeing that lockdown is the best way to deal with it. He says I’m stupid for arguing that lockdowns don’t work because if we hadn’t, everything would be so much worse. I reiterated my position that I would rather LIVE whatever is left of my life than cower in fear for years on end.

Death is sad but it’s a part of life and life has to go on. I fucking HATE this government for what they’ve done. So many strained relationships because of all this. This time last year, yes he would be upset if his friend died but there wouldn’t be all this tied up with it, it would be put down to unfortunate circumstances.

I feel so much despair because we’re up against human emotion which by definition isn’t rational at all. There’s no reasoning with it.

386207 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Elenesse, 37, #748 of 1669 🔗

So his friend died under lockdown? Didn’t work very well did it? Or would she have died twice over if we weren’t locked down?

386231 ▶▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Jo Starlin, 34, #749 of 1669 🔗

His logic is “if this is happening under lockdown, imagine how many deaths if there are no restrictions”. My answer to that was, well it probably wouldn’t be any different because this is happening despite lockdown but in the meantime none of us are actually living our lives. There’s literally no reasoning with it, their argument is always that restrictions are necessary. I would also argue that our immune systems are at an all time low because of lockdown but hey I’m a sceptic so I must be evil for being against lockdowns.

386242 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Elenesse, 14, #750 of 1669 🔗

Exactly how attached are you to your husband? 😉
Sorry, I know it must be hell, especially if you normally see things the same way. Mr Steph and I are on the same page about this and most other things. I can’t imagine what it would be like otherwise.

386248 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Elenesse, 16, #751 of 1669 🔗

He should just look at the US between States that have Lockdown and those that haven’t e.g. South Dakota. Things aren’t worse in South Dakota.

386494 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Elenesse, 11, #752 of 1669 🔗

Can you imagine what would happen with no restrictions? I can do better than that I can show you, Sweden, Florida. Why is their death rate lower than ours? According to your logic it should be double what we have right? But would his friend have lived longer if they were trapped alone in their house? Show me a country in Europe that has shutdown where death has been eradicated!!
What were the underlying conditions? If they died of heart failure i doubt covid caused their death.
Lastly their death is not your fucking fault. If I have an opinion about driving fast and someone dies in a crash I am not to blame for that death.

387000 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Elenesse, #753 of 1669 🔗

You are a very very evil person!

386237 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #754 of 1669 🔗

“a fate worse than a fate worse than death…pretty bad!!”

Edmund Blackadder

386221 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Elenesse, 13, #755 of 1669 🔗

Is he aware of Sweden, South Dakota, Belarus?

386227 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Elenesse, 21, #756 of 1669 🔗

People of all ages die from flu every year even if healthy. The only way to ‘prime’ our immune systems is to get get exposed to viruses, bacteria and other pathogens on a daily basis – a sterile environment is also a big no no. Sadly lockdowns prevent us from doing that and will make us for susceptible to infection.

Totallly agree with your approach. All the best

387320 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Victoria, #757 of 1669 🔗

so a vicious circle? can we ever get out of this by “their” logic?

386229 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Elenesse, 19, #758 of 1669 🔗

Spot on Elenesse. I just had an exchange with a family member who remarked that if Sir Desmond was taken to a hospital he would no longer claim that numbers had been manipulated. I pointed out that it can be true both that there are plenty of people poorly and dying (didn’t bother saying that is always the case) and that Government massages data to its own ends (adding that it did over everything else, so why would this be any different). How would visiting a hospital alter that fact? Complete brick wall. No questions can be asked as far as he is concerned – he is in a state of complete fear and driven exclusively by emotion, like your husband.

386253 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 36, #760 of 1669 🔗

The discussion ended with him saying he doesn’t want to talk to me anymore about it. Am I being unreasonable? I fear I’m possibly coming across as insensitive about it all, but I really am at the end of my tether with all the bull.

My nerves are frayed because I feel I have lost a lot of my life last year, and death almost seems preferable to living like this. Now the only person I live with thinks I’m an evil person for not believing the narrative. Some things are worse than death and one of those is living this half life.

386265 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Elenesse, 14, #761 of 1669 🔗

You are not being unreasonable though he is a victim of an unprecedented campaign of propaganda

In order for life to go on for us there must be some kind of forgiveness and understanding for at least some of those who go along with lockdowns, sooner or later – at least that’s what I think

I’ve cut ties with friends and family who are pro-lockdown, of otherwise sound mind and have access to information and a brain to process it, and who are politically aware, as I find their refusal to engage rationally infuriating. I’ve been a little looser with those who are psychologically frail to start with

But luckily for me my very close family are all strongly sceptical, though some prefer not to hear about it too much because it is quite painful to be reminded the world has gone mad – your OH may to an extent be in denial

386270 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Elenesse, 16, #762 of 1669 🔗

For what it’s worth, I think now is probably not the time to pursue the conversation. If she was a close friend he will be shocked and upset and grief is not a position from which any of us are particularly good at maintaining rationality. That doesn’t mean that your feelings aren’t completely valid too but it doesn’t sound like a discussion that would benefit either of you right now. We understand where you are coming from and I certainly would have no interest in continuing to exist for the remainder of my years as we are now either. Hang in there. He will work through the feelings of grief, I am sure.

386278 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Elenesse, 16, #763 of 1669 🔗

No I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. My wife’s grandfather died of covid (probably of in this case, symptoms and a positive test) a couple of weeks ago.

It’s a bit different to your situation, he was 87 with multiple serious health problems, but both my wife and I are very annoyed that he spent his final year of life locked up in a care home due to measures which obviously would not prevent his death. We both think that the time would have been better spent seeing his great grandchildren.

That said, your husband is just feeling grief at the moment. In time, perhaps he will come around.

386470 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Elenesse, 5, #764 of 1669 🔗

I can relate somewhat to your situation. Thankfully my husband is on the same page, but my mother told me about a cousin, in his 40s, who almost died of Covid and now has permanent heart and lung damage and won’t ever be the same again. My response probably has her thinking I’m the most insensitive person and I haven’t heard back from her. Knowing my mom, she won’t reference it and we’ll go on as usual. I expressed sympathy but I did question his health prior and said, in a nutshell, that shitty things happen to people every day. Life isn’t fair but we don’t sacrifice our children’s futures and put life on hold because a small fraction of people have a bad outcome from a virus that kills so few. I think after a year of this insanity we’re all worn out and it’s very difficult to muster up sympathy. I agree with other posters that your husband is grieving a young friend’s death and it’s not a great time to be having the bigger picture discussion. If possible, you and he should stay away from Covid discussions for a while. I know it’s difficult because it has infiltrated every aspect of our lives, but for now it would be in both your interests to agree to disagree and try to avoid talking about it.

386512 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Elenesse, 4, #765 of 1669 🔗

In the words of that disgusting site; YANBU.

386759 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RichardJames, 1, #766 of 1669 🔗

Indeed. Don’t go there unless you can deal with the endemic toxic liberal-fascist hysteria.

386640 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Elenesse, 1, #767 of 1669 🔗

Stick to our beliefs. I am lucky, my BH sees things pretty much same way.

386754 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Elenesse, 2, #768 of 1669 🔗

I’ve come to an implicit understanding with Mrs. M and all my other relatives that the matter isn’t discussed. They think I’m a deluded fool who’s been seduced by Conspiracy Theory. I accept that there’s nothing I can do to change their viewpoint. The longer term has yet to be addressed, and will depend on the rationalisations for their actions- including the scapegoating of Others to be blamed for the inevitable economic collapse and societal devastation- which our masters present to the gullible via their catamites in the mainstream media in the near future.

386289 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Elenesse, 10, #769 of 1669 🔗

I sympathise. I live with my mother, sister and nephews [yes, how long before they crack down on multi-generational households] and thank god we are all very much on the same page, our lives would be hell if we weren’t. meanwhile it is painful to me to speak to my brother, who I have always had a good relationship with, and looked up to as a highly intelligent person, who absolutely buys into this pernicious drivel.

386333 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Elenesse, 5, #770 of 1669 🔗

“you’re stupid”

Great argument, some really valid points there.

FFS.

386355 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Elenesse, 9, #771 of 1669 🔗

There was a guy in my high school year who was the sportiest person in the school. He was good at everything sports related.

A few years after high school we all learned that he’d passed away. Turns out he had a heart condition that meant he could have died at any time. This didn’t stop him going out and living his life the way he wanted. He chose to face it head on.

Some might say that he should have been more careful, but what sort of life is living the way others think you should? His passing was sad but he lived the life he wanted. Had we known of his condition would we have tried to stop him being so active? I’m sure some might have but what purpose would that serve? The only reason I can think of is for people not to feel guilty that they didn’t try to stop it.

Maybe your husbands friend would have chosen to hide away from the virus or maybe she was more like my schoolmate. Is your husband upset that she died or is he more upset that he didn’t do enough to prevent it and is blaming himself (and possibly others)?

386997 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Elenesse, 3, #772 of 1669 🔗

I find I have a weekly row with my partner who is actually pretty sceptical. Unlike me she watches the shite MSN which I dont and over a few days it gets to her and then she rounds on me and blames me for it all. Its getting a bit tedious now but that seems to be the weekly pattern. The rest of the week she is totally opposed to lockdown which has wrecked her business.

386200 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 6, #773 of 1669 🔗

Looks like Judd Trump may be a closet sceptic:-

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/snooker/trump-masters-snooker-covid-exclusion-23406277?12=

He’s only hacked off because it cost him personally and he doesn’t trust the test but you can’t really argue with what he says. No doubt he will be forced to apologise unreservedly by the Thought Police in the next few days saying Covid is serious and he didn’t mean to offend people who’ve lost loved ones, etc, etc.

386218 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 4, #774 of 1669 🔗

A propos of snooker players, Peter Ebdon is a non-closet sceptic

https://twitter.com/pdebdon

I don’t know of any professional sports people who are still competing who are open sceptics – Cristiano Ronaldo moaned about testing, and is in trouble for a lockdown-breaking trip in Italy, and Djokcovic has been pretty grumpy about some of the restrictions and a bit sceptical on vaccines – I am sure they both privately know it’s all bollocks but even the rich and powerful in sport have to kowtow or risk their careers being ended

387039 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Julian, #775 of 1669 🔗

they all worship at the temple of money and they have short careers, plenty of time to be sceptical when they retire. The same excuse a police nurses doctors etc only they have to struggle all their lives

386262 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 6, #776 of 1669 🔗

There were these rugby players too. Bit more than a little bit sceptical.

https://rugbyonslaught.com/pr-crisis-for-exeter-chiefs-as-players-release-anti-lockdown-posts/

386372 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Achilles, 5, #777 of 1669 🔗

Today my brain is nearly fried:
I’m counting up the sadlidied.
But what gives me the biggest ache
Is knowing all the counts are fake.

386472 ▶▶ davews, replying to Achilles, 1, #778 of 1669 🔗

I remember a month or so back when he beat his rival they both shook hands afterwards, unlike all the others who just did the elbow stuff. Good to know he is one of us.

386847 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Achilles, #779 of 1669 🔗

I actually think if Barry Hearn read some of the Gov documents about the PCR test he would engage – thinks the test is A-OK because the testing company told him it’s the gold standard.. But he doesn’t strike me as a ‘go along to get along’ kinda guy, if he thought there were problems with the test he would not be quiet about it. imo.

386211 danny, replying to danny, 13, #780 of 1669 🔗

So around 1,400 people usually die every day in the UK.
Given that average mortality levels are not significantly higher than usual, we are now close to having pretty much ALL deaths reported as Covid.

386215 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to danny, 10, #781 of 1669 🔗

It’s more like 2,000 a day in a normal January.

386276 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 3, #782 of 1669 🔗

yes, I’m waiting for the moment when covid deaths OVERTAKE all-cause mortality – don’t worry, it will come: 2 + 2 =5 ‘cos the Party says it does

386340 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #783 of 1669 🔗

When it happens it will be interesting to watch as lockdownistas first do not notice, then when forced to notice deny it and attack those who point it out, then construct a form of words to appear to explain it away, then pretend it never happened and accuse anyone who says it of spreading dangerous misinformation.

386413 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JaneHarry, #784 of 1669 🔗

I am sure it is perfectly possible using quantum theory.

386260 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 18, #785 of 1669 🔗

I’ve heard two interviews this morning with obviously theoretical academics, both women, both pushing the zero Covid line for this country. They don’t call it that, but it’s the obvious extrapolation of their arguments. The children interviewing them didn’t push back, natch. In fact they probably didn’t understand them.

Not a hint that the virus is endemic in this country, and even government man can’t change that. ESPECIALLY government man.

Rats are endemic to this country. They are an extreme health hazard. Has any boffin advocated locking everybody up until the council achieves ZERO RAT? Good luck with that. I meet a rat often in the same place on my daily walks. We co-exist.

386282 ▶▶ Basics, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #786 of 1669 🔗

Zero rat. Is a perfect analogy.

386287 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, 2, #787 of 1669 🔗

Or Mao’s sparrow elimination campaign.

386312 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #788 of 1669 🔗

Yup. Unintended consequences of man messing with nature. Who knows why Covid was introduced? Assuming it wasn’t the cultural descendants of Mao. Or Mrs Mao. Even worse.

386285 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #789 of 1669 🔗

The Hanoi rat massacre of 1902 is worth looking up. French colonial govt. paid per tail, result lots of tailless rats and rat farms outside Hanoi.

https://theculturetrip.com/asia/vietnam/articles/the-story-behind-hanois-rat-massacre-of-1902/

386292 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #790 of 1669 🔗

Whilst it is true that we can get ill from rats, it is not true that they present a serious risk. All we have to do is to leave them alone, not allow them to inhabit our spaces. These simple precautions render the risk negligible.

386338 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, #791 of 1669 🔗

When it happens it will be interesting to watch as lockdownistas first do not notice, then when forced to notice deny it and attack those who point it out, then construct a form of words to appear to explain it away, then pretend it never happened and accuse anyone who says it of spreading dangerous misinformation.
Edit: attached to wrong comment.

386311 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #792 of 1669 🔗

In my view zero covid proponents are nutters – therefore, I propose we aim for #nutzero

386402 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #793 of 1669 🔗

I doubt you could achieve zero rat it would require the elimination of all politicians.

386263 NickR, replying to NickR, 36, #794 of 1669 🔗

This is the ONS data since 1838 of deaths as a proportion of the population. I’ve presented it as a chart since my birth.
It’s funny, I’ve seen photographic evidence of my grandmothers holding me & bouncing me on their knee when I was a baby. They did this despite a death rate of 1,948/100,000 in 1960 (I was born at the end of 1959).
I remember shaking the hand of ex Prime Minister Harold Wilson on my graduation day in 1981. He shook the hand of a 1,000 people or more that day despite being pretty frail, in 1981 1,666/100,000 people died, what a brave man Harold was!
As the year 2000 arrived I saw thousands of people hugging & kissing total strangers, 2000 was a year when 1,266 people/100,000 died.
In 2008 I happily shook hands with people, attended big sporting events and visited China in the face of a death rate of 1,092/100,000.
In 2020 I stayed at home, didn’t shake hands with anyone, didn’t hug anyone, was made to feel guilty for meeting friends in the street. 2020 was a year when 1043/100,000 died. The safest year of all those mentioned above.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional?s=03

386271 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to NickR, 3, #795 of 1669 🔗

Beautifully put, we must pray that he next few years don’t make 2020 seem like a golden age.

386274 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NickR, 4, #796 of 1669 🔗

looking at the graph – another 50 years and we will me immortal

386279 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NickR, 1, #797 of 1669 🔗

I thought you were saying you were born in 1838!

(good find by the way)

386286 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to NickR, #798 of 1669 🔗

Well, that’s what happens when you eradicate influenza!

386343 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 2, #799 of 1669 🔗

Lots of non covid deaths in here in any case.

386264 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #800 of 1669 🔗

Mayo, I’d be very interested in your thoughts on the article in todays blog ”An NHS nurse writes” – and the ‘second wave’

386273 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 6, #801 of 1669 🔗

I would like to hear from Mayo his strategy for ending the lockdowns and ensuring such madness is never repeated.

386280 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #802 of 1669 🔗

I think his strategy would be to focus exclusively on the fact that lockdowns don’t work and do more harm than good – which is not a terrible approach (though I disagree with some of what he says)

The trouble is issues like the vaccine and herd immunity and waves are all very much related to coronamadness and thus hard to avoid

386329 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 6, #803 of 1669 🔗

Lockdowns are only one element of the madness. The social distancing, the face masks, the ignorant and arrogant ideology, the assumption that the executive has the authority to deny us our liberties. This conflict is about far more than the imposition/lifting of lockdown.

386444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, #804 of 1669 🔗

SD, masks and all the rest of it come under lockdowns as far as I am concerned

Probably we should have a different name than LS because people think lockdown is just the current phase

386284 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Major Panic, #805 of 1669 🔗

I’d like to hear more of his PCR+ anecdotes. He’s quoted 21 below.

386267 alw, replying to alw, 20, #806 of 1669 🔗

From yesterday it’s lunchtime Spectator. Who would have thought!!!

  • ”99% of government contracts handed out to companies supporting the Covid-19 response were not awarded by competitive tender, a report from the Institute for Government has found.”
387015 ▶▶ iansn, replying to alw, #807 of 1669 🔗

well knock me down with a feather, who’d a thunk

386272 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #808 of 1669 🔗

Historic carbon dioxide levels have been much higher than now ‘yet without ice ages’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8sxbPK4WcQ

Sky News Australia

Geologist Professor Ian Plimer says climate change cannot be “driven by carbon dioxide emissions” and the study claiming 97 per cent of scientists believe humanity is the cause of climate change is mainly touted by activists over scientists.

“We happen to be a planet that is in the goldilocks zone and that is where we don’t boil off our oceans and we don’t freeze our oceans, on our planet we have solid, liquid, and vapour water and it is that water vapour in the atmosphere that drives changes in the climate,” he told Sky News host Cory Bernardi.

Professor Plimer said this process had always been happening and climate change happens for many reasons but there “cannot be climate change driven by carbon dioxide emissions”.

“Climate is always changing for a great diversity of reasons for pretty well the whole history of planet earth we have had carbon dioxide contents in the atmosphere much higher than now yet without ice ages.

386275 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #809 of 1669 🔗

And the polar bears are thriving.

386277 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #810 of 1669 🔗

Is it just me or does hearing the word Novavax set other minds off thinking about Tommy Cooper doing a skit about vacuum cleaners?

386300 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 2, #811 of 1669 🔗

Do the Novavax and bring immunity back…
When it’s fighting off flu, you’ll feel good too…
Do the Novavax and bring immunity back…

Just in case anybody thinks I’ve lost the plot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q8inM0gKVo

386281 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #812 of 1669 🔗

Tony Blair makes a good point regarding zero covid here:

This is not even the end of the beginning – we need a completely new approach to Covid-19

No country has been able to eradicate Covid-19 except by total isolation – a policy that is neither replicable for countries like Britain, nor sustainable over time. Even in China, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, despite the most stringent curbs, the disease can’t be eradicated completely and in any event, at some point isolation must end for economic reasons. A country’s population expects its leadership first to look after them.

The rest of what he writes I can’t help thinking is motivated by self interest. I’m sure he is setting himself up to profit from what he says in some way if he hasn’t already cashed in.

He gives the impression that there are only 2 options:

The choice we have been left with is: mass vaccination or mass lockdown.

But this is simply playing on the fact that many seem to have lost perspective.

Let’s consider the following.

If the virus had been found to be no worse than the flu from the start we would not have acted in the way we did.

If we manage to get the impact of the virus to be no worse than the flu then why would we continue to act with such severe restrictions? There is no logical reason to act differently than we did before. Yes we should learn from this experience but life in general could go back to close to how it was before.

The idea of eradication beyond that point would be little more than revenge. The virus must be eradicated as punishment for what it made us do to ourselves.

There are plenty of places that have shown lockdown is not the only option. The main thing that needs addressing is perspective and that the death toll is not the only metric for success.

386324 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #813 of 1669 🔗

Indeed

The error he makes is to assume that eradicating covid completely is something that deserves serious consideration in the short to medium term, requiring emergency and far-reaching interventions

It is nothing special, and anyone who starts by assuming it is special is on the wrong path

386337 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #814 of 1669 🔗

He is simply aligning himself with the Head Philanthropath; ‘Vaccinate everyone for everything in perpetuity.’
It’s an attack on, and denial of, naturally-acquired immunity at both the individual and collective level.

386456 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #815 of 1669 🔗

Why is he given column inches in the msm but the other side of the story is not. Why is his opinion any more valid than mine. I mean we both share the same medical qualifications. This is WW1 logic, we have two options either charge all our troops at their machine guns or dig fucking great holes to put our machine guns in and hope they charge our guns or we stay there and bomb the shit out of their holes in the ground.

How can you look at 67 million people who have been living and breathing this virus for a whole year with no mass deaths amongst the vast majority and think mmmm what we need is to try two things out that so far have not worked once in history (especially for a cold or flu virus). So what would happen if we “did a Sweden”. So not thought of that? What would happen if we did a GBD? Why are you locked into only two ways, both of which have been scientifically proved not to work. But ignore totally methods that have worked elsewhere with no more death or less death than we had. Does Florida not exist? God I hate TB.

386569 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, #816 of 1669 🔗

What would have happened if we’d done absolutely nothing and just carried on as normal?
Deaths-wise, absolutely no difference, except fewer lies on death certificates, and maybe fewer deaths of sick people dumped in care homes.
Foreign travel maybe restricted by other countries, not by us. Wouldn’t have lasted.
A precedent for other countries to follow.
Sweet normality and no infinity of misery for all.

387247 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Spikedee1, #817 of 1669 🔗

They always give you two options.

Mass lockdowns: economically unsustainable and eventual armageddon.

Mass vaccinations: with an experimental juice that’s losing fans by the day (metaphorically and literally).

He even thinks in poll form.

If Tony Blair was toilet paper, he’d ruin your day by tearing easily.

387013 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Nobody2021, #818 of 1669 🔗

I dont trust that slimey lower than a snakes belly war criminal about anything even when he might be right, he is always lying so everything he says is twisted and he only ever has his eye on one thing. MONEY. He shouldn’t be talking in the newspapers he should be in jail with El Chapo and Comical Ali. He is a complete turd.

386291 dommo, replying to dommo, 11, #819 of 1669 🔗

i’m gonna take my shirt off and ride a horse in his honour:-

https://principia-scientific.com/from-russia-with-love-putin-lifts-covid19-restrictions/

386341 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to dommo, 8, #820 of 1669 🔗

This is good news, but apparently it happened 2 days ago. How is it that I have to read the LS comments to find out about current events? What has happened to the media? No, don’t tell me – with a few honourable exceptions they’ve become a mouthpiece for Government propaganda.

386352 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to dommo, 6, #821 of 1669 🔗

“They hate us for our freedoms”

386294 dommo, replying to dommo, 13, #822 of 1669 🔗

God save the ECHR:-

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1354916562222903296

you can shove your vaccinations up your arse!!!

386595 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to dommo, 1, #823 of 1669 🔗

Have to get the test swab out first.

387256 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to dommo, #824 of 1669 🔗

I think it’s all gone a bit Pete Tong with their potions and they’re trying to get ahead.

It’s gonna be a long year. Can anyone recommend a custom pitchfork maker? I’m after something blingy.

386298 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 47, #825 of 1669 🔗

What’s bizarre is the vitriol with which lockdown sceptics are treated. Lockdown is the most damaging social policy we’ve ever known. It is universally accepted by all that it harms children, causes mental health issues and results in avoidable deaths, and yet we’re not even allowed to question it, even slightly? Not to mention that it has never been tried before and it’s projected benefits are entirely based on predictive mathematical modelling.

If you don’t at least question lockdown as a valid health policy then you are the one being ethically negligent and no amount of clapping or rainbows will change that.

386305 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Achilles, 16, #826 of 1669 🔗

Ironically, it’s called being in denial. They refuse to see the harm that is being created on the other side.

386316 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #827 of 1669 🔗

Or they assume that govts everywhere couldn’t possibly be that stupid or evil

Or they hate being reminded we have sacrificed so much for nothing

386347 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #828 of 1669 🔗

That’s a much more important part of what is happening.

Trying to feel better by simply shouting incoherently at the brainwashed is a totally useless exercise in the end.

386647 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 2, #829 of 1669 🔗

I assume most politicians and government leaders are sociopaths who’d sell their own grandmothers for political advantage.

386950 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to LMS2, #830 of 1669 🔗

Oh yes.

386947 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, #831 of 1669 🔗

And as well, they are as thick as pig shit.

386345 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #832 of 1669 🔗

Or just being too s*dding lazy to do anything but follow where they’re led – especially those who are smugly comfortable receiving public money.

Or perhaps there aren’t that many ‘true believers’ amongst all these lazy ones. After all, when you see who’s got his fingers in the Yougov pie, it’s not surprising that ‘lockdowners’ seem to be in the majority. Just another psyops.

386306 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Achilles, 10, #833 of 1669 🔗

If you’re catching flak, you’re probably over the target

386350 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #834 of 1669 🔗

As this lady says. Do watch it before InYourFaceBook takes it down:

https://www.facebook.com/leigh.mason.9659/videos/469707364036720/

386353 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #835 of 1669 🔗

But are also in grave (sic) danger!

386362 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andy Riley, #836 of 1669 🔗

Correct.If they thought we were totally ineffectual they wouldn’t be worried.
Open the bomb hatches!

386327 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Achilles, 14, #837 of 1669 🔗

I wish it was a real pandemic, then Guardian writers, politicians and pricks on Twitter wouldn’t have to spend all day long bellyaching about us not believing their horseshit.

386342 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Achilles, 7, #838 of 1669 🔗

I can just about cut people some slack for following rules, I understand fear of being fined. Those that actively support lockdown are either cowards or selfish and I will tell them whenever I come across them. No more staying quiet they are morally bankrupt.

386416 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Achilles, 9, #839 of 1669 🔗

A little thought experiment. If you are right and lockdowns are the answer, if shutting the country down putting us in a recession that we will never recover from, to harm children in their schooling and mental health and to make 2 million unemployed. Then why are the old still dying and why is our death toll according to your figures higher than anywhere else, especially Sweden who did not lockdown in the heart if both waves. But you say you are right.

So now riddle me this. Just suppose I am right and lockdowns have not saved a single life, but have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths because of lack of care in care homes and in cancelling all non covid treatments. Can you look me in the eye and tell me you happily support your anti sceptic narrative and when the shit hits the fan and you are proved wrong are you happy with your role in this. At what point are you happy to take the blame? If you cannot except this blame you really need to STFU and let the grown ups continue with the conversation.

386646 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Achilles, 3, #840 of 1669 🔗

It’s the same tactic generally used by the political Left to silence opposition. They’ve done the same on climate change, immigration, Brexit, etc. It’s been successful, without enough pushback, so they’re doing the same here.

386942 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Achilles, #841 of 1669 🔗

Yes, all that you say is true, but to be honest I’ve given up caring about what the ignorant masses think. We should just carry on doing our thing thing and resist in every way that I can.

386964 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Achilles, 1, #842 of 1669 🔗

We are seen as the baddies its as simple as that but this often happens in history. We will be proved right in the end when all aspects of a decent civilised society have been crushed. Then everyone will claim they were sceptical. Yawn…seen it many times even in my life time.

386309 Julian, 3, #843 of 1669 🔗

Education for the few, not the many? Tell us your experience

Dear Supporter,

Our children’s future hangs in the balance as the Government continues to waver on a commitment to reopen schools for all children. Whilst it appears to accept that there is a strong case for reopening on 8th March, it hasn’t confirmed a plan and has been vague about the criteria.

We have many teachers and education workers in Recovery and hear first-hand about the terrible impact of schools remaining closed to all but a few. We believe that this is disproportionate and not based on a robust assessment of the harm this will do to children and young people’s mental health, future prospects, learning, social skills and overall welfare. Online lessons can never replace face-to-face in-school teaching.

Last night, Newsnight covered the Education Endowment Foundation’s new study on the impact of partial school closures. Findings include “significantly lower achievement”, with a “large and concerning gap” for disadvantaged pupils.

Grace’s experience brings home the reality that far too many families face:
Grace is a single mum of 4. She’s a cleaner and receives no help. Her children are aged 5, 8, 13 and 15. Grace can’t teach them all. She finds it so hard to manage that she gave up. She only has a basic education herself and struggles to comprehend the lessons or manage their time. Her children haven’t had a proper education for the best part of a year. They do nothing all day except play video games and argue. Grace has also lost control of her teenage son. The school helped her cope with him, but now she feels they’ve lost more than an education, it’s their most vital social interaction, access to real sport and, for her, a lifeline to cope with her son. Even when he returns, her eldest son won’t bother to study for his exams. He has lost interest, and now her youngest is clearly falling behind. It’s been devastating.

How you can help

Send us your stories on how the schools closure has affected you or someone you know. There are many forgotten victims of lockdown and restrictions and we want to give them a voice. There are two ways to do this:

Email : info@timeforrecovery.org

Submit a story online anonymously : https://timeforrecovery.org/yourstory/

If you’re on social media then get involved and spread the message via #UnlockTheSchools and #REOPENSCHOOLS. Follow us on http://www.twitter.com/T4Recover y and http://www.instagram/T4Recovery

Thanks

The Recovery Campaign

386314 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 49, #844 of 1669 🔗

Just having a chat with my mobile hair dresser, she’s just finished cutting a Copper’s hair and the rest of his family, didn’t have a good word to say about lockdown calling it like fuck, saying other plods feel the same.. would not issue a fine never..so not all Copper’s are Bastards..

386322 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 19, #845 of 1669 🔗

That’s true. Best to assume they are until proved otherwise, though.

386325 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #846 of 1669 🔗

Agreed.

386328 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #847 of 1669 🔗

There are just a few good apples in a barrel of worm-riddled shit.

386331 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to AidanR, 4, #848 of 1669 🔗

You know it.

386344 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #849 of 1669 🔗

This is important to keep on emphasising. Most police officers are not the enemy. They will continue to have a vital job to do long after this is over.

Which is not to minimise the actions of some, nor their – in cases – appalling leadership.

386361 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 9, #850 of 1669 🔗

Foetida Dick.
Say no more.

386929 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 2, #851 of 1669 🔗

I think i will reserve judgement on the police for now, but it’s not looking good.

387046 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ovis, #852 of 1669 🔗

A good point – which I had a good slagging for on here a couple of months back when I made it.

387266 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to TJN, #853 of 1669 🔗

Under normal circumstances I appreciate the police and understand it’s a tough job.

I also appreciate it’s the reinforcements quite likely giving them a bad name of late.

But right now, even the good ones are standing by and watching this happen.

I expect more of a police officer, and if they’re content to do and say nothing, they thoroughly deserve the public backlash coming their way for years if not decades to come.

387415 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jez Hewitt, #854 of 1669 🔗

When this is done, we will need a police force that commands the respect of the public – for all our good. The alternative doesn’t bear thinking about. We have to hope that the good and well-meaning police officers will prevail, and encourage it where we can.

386359 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #855 of 1669 🔗

I second that,
.
Whoever keeps flagging their more dastardly deeds in the MSM, presumably to keep the zombies terrified, is doing the Force no favours.

386486 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 6, #856 of 1669 🔗

The MSM has a lot to answer for Annie the cancer in society.

386417 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #857 of 1669 🔗

True, but he may come under pressure to get his quota. I knew a copper (many years ago) who was constantly being slapped down by his boss for not having enough speeding fines. The copper got so fed up he went out one night and got a months worth of fines and then left the police in disgust. He said it was rough for the motorists he fined but he was so pissed off being a policemen.

386514 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #858 of 1669 🔗

Then why don’t they say so publicly?

386614 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to vargas99, 6, #859 of 1669 🔗

Because, like NHS staff, they’d lose their jobs, just leaving the bastards in place.

386934 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to LMS2, 1, #860 of 1669 🔗

Anonymous articles are nothing knew.

387003 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #861 of 1669 🔗

Just regular rules breakers like everyone

386330 Nottheonly1, 8, #862 of 1669 🔗

Covid with lockdown = 1st stage of ‘great’ reset.
Deconstruction of 99%er’s livelihood = 2nd stage of ‘great’ reset.
‘Vaccines’ = 3rd stage of ‘great’ reset.
Rescindment of freedom of 99%er’s movement = 4th stage of ‘great’ reset.

Looks like the reset is called ‘great’ – because it is great for the hyper rich owner class, their stooges and henchmen.

Reject the lies. Heed the advice by Maud – from ‘Harold and Maud’:

L – I – V – E.

On to the numbers.

https://www.sott.net/article/447849-The-Inanity-of-RNA-Vaccines-For-COVID-19

386332 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #863 of 1669 🔗

I’ve just been sent this link (I’m not on FaceAcheBook) and it’s a quite brilliant interview! She addresses so many issues – and it’s good to hear someone knowledgeable (as is Mike Yeadon) speaking on the issues we were are concerned about.
Quick, though! Before it’s taken down….

https://www.facebook.com/leigh.mason.9659/videos/469707364036720/

386364 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Banjones, 5, #864 of 1669 🔗

An excellent listen, she is clearly a very clever expert, especial about well known treatments…

vit D – vit D – vit D – vit D !!!!!!!!!!!!

386367 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #865 of 1669 🔗

and her expert views on covid vaccines is well worth a listen

386570 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #867 of 1669 🔗

Thanks!

386335 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #868 of 1669 🔗

Quarantine Hotels will be used for domestic PCR + individuals to isolate under supervision, of this I have no doubt.

386348 ▶▶ iane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #869 of 1669 🔗

Could well be – and yet another reason (does one need such?) to avoid PCR tests like the, well, plague!

386446 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to iane, 3, #870 of 1669 🔗

Today I read a comment from someone who claimed the nasal swabs actually transferred the virus up into peoples’ noses! Its not the first time I’ve heard it.

386574 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, #871 of 1669 🔗

I’ve heard that a lot, also that they are poking the swab far further up the nose than necessary, causing some people to have headaches for days afterwards..

386999 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Carrie, #872 of 1669 🔗

Anal swabs will be soooo much easier. I can imagine a big queue of applicants to do these when they are rolled out.

387098 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Carrie, #873 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I would never allow anyone to do that for me. If they can’t obtain any viral material from the outer nasal passages, where the virus would tend to concentrate, then it’s not there.

I’m not allowing any sundry clod to damage my meninges, thanks very much.

386373 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #874 of 1669 🔗

Zero COVID nutters want this – but I’m hoping that the general population will find this a step too far.

386608 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to godowneasy, 3, #875 of 1669 🔗

6% of the general population are sociopaths.

If the PTB started carting people off to “quarantine” most people wouldn’t lift a finger, and just be grateful it’s not them.
See 1930-40s Germany….

386377 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #876 of 1669 🔗

So if I test positive and demand a second test as is my right and that’s negative will they just let me walk away?

386450 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #877 of 1669 🔗

I have no idea. However they may well ask for a third, the best out of three?

386351 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 31, #878 of 1669 🔗

The bold, brave High Peak of a Friday morning:

AlanG and I have just met a couple our age (late 60s/early 70s) outside to discuss a community group we are involved with. They are new to the area and want to join, not that there’s much going on. They present as ‘well-educated’, so you know what’s coming. They have just moved to a remote farm up a track, far away from amenities. Since self-sufficiency would be next-to impossible in those conditions round here I would question their sanity anyway.

Of course, they refused to shake hands when we met (‘ How do you know you haven’t got it? We’ve been on footpaths, we might have picked it up’ (WTF) ; nothing we said made any difference’;

Then they started bleating about ‘everyone going on holiday’ and ‘letting them in from Brazil and South Africa’ (bringing in the Mutant Ninja Virus, presumably) Well, we look at the flight-tracker sites nearly every day and there are bugger-all planes flying anywhere. Are people really going on holiday?

Anyway, as we parted, I offered him our card with our contact details on it ‘if he wasn’t afraid of the Covid cooties’ and, of course, he took the Covid-ridden card from my Covid-ridden hand, no problem! Could you make this up? It is just like Scotty87’s rep who thinks someone sneezing is asymptomatic!

Next at the butchers: You have to queue outside. Some with nappies on in the fresh High Peak air, more thankfully without. A hitherto nice lady from church, you know the type – full of Christian love – tried her best to snub us. I assume this is because last time we met her we expressed mildly sceptical views, upon which she became practically hysterical – ‘One of our congregation nearly died’ – not even sadlidied – (thanks, Karenovirus!) Note that I was not included in ‘the congregation’ – I’m only the bloody organist!!  Today, before she could don the nappy, I forced her to speak to me, whereupon she almost dropped it on the floor. I’m sure she would have put it on anyway.  Anyway the rude madam assured us she was well without reciprocating. Her poor husband caught Alan’s eye and smiled, looking embarrassed.

On Wednesday, a bloke in Morrisons told AlanG that there was a ‘lovely atmosphere’ at the vax centre at one of the local GP surgeries. Everyone was apparently ‘relaxed and relieved, smiling and laughing.’ Ye Gods.

Anyway, I did get a nice undistanced fuss off one of the local pussy-cats. They still love us – or not, as the case may be. . . MW

386356 ▶▶ Annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #879 of 1669 🔗

Various numpties of my acquaintance seem to be treating snake oil time as a gala occasion.What they think they’re gaining from it, God knows.

386723 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 2, #880 of 1669 🔗

I guess for some it will be the first time they’ve been out of the house for over a year, so it will be something of a gala occasion for them. Although I suspect most of them will be like those old lags who break out of prison for a bit and then a couple of days later go back to the jail asking to be let in!

386360 ▶▶ mj, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 21, #881 of 1669 🔗

Miriam – i think you have patented another new verb
We already have “ sadlidied ” as the appropriate verb for anyone passing on from covid
I think we should now use “ nearlidied ” for anyone who has a sniffle that is attributed to covid

386366 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mj, 10, #882 of 1669 🔗

It’s no credit to me – it’s Karenovirus who should get the dosh! Every time she uses it we have a giggle and we’re always saying it to each other. However, you get the credit for ‘nearlidied’ 🙂

387091 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #883 of 1669 🔗

Yes, we’ve got another lovely word!

It also has another use, though. As in other places and times, they had secret signs to let others know about membership of various underground movements (such as the Christian “ichthys” symbol) we now have the start of a “secret” sceptics’ vocabulary, by which we will be known when the gulags open*.

*I don’t think they will, but it never hurts to be prepared.

386599 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #884 of 1669 🔗

What have that couple been doing on the footpaths to “pick it up”? Licking other people’s footprints?

386714 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #885 of 1669 🔗

Never mind, just keep being positive. I don’t go to church anymore since my local vicar decided that, despite being allowed to remain open, it was too dangerous to have services. I don’t mind that so much since, to quote a Jewish joke, ‘that’s the synagogue I don’t go to’; but the church in the nearby parish (which I liked because it still had BCP Evensong) also told everyone not to turn up unless they were unable to watch services on Zoom!

386732 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #886 of 1669 🔗

Women- always more susceptible to ideology. George Orwell noted it. Why this might be, I wouldn’t presume to speculate.

386363 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #887 of 1669 🔗

J and J Vaccine 66% effective against moderate to severe Covid-19. So the risk reduction numbers will be especially low on this one.

https://www.ft.com/content/d05c7c57-da11-42a1-aa33-b66052c904ac

386398 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #888 of 1669 🔗

Well, they probably need to makes some cash to cover for that $100M lawsuit in October over their asbestos baby talc, or maybe the $37M they had to pay out the previous October, or the 40,000 or so outstanding lawsuits they have, or the 25 or so major product recalls they’ve had since 2009. I wonder if they’re still covering the $2.2 billion the paid out in 2013?…….

386368 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 28, #889 of 1669 🔗

Illogicality of vaccine program.
If vaccine provides any immunity, once the ‘at risk’ groups are vaccinated, the rest of the population does not need vaccinating as they will overcome virus naturally and cannot infect those vaccinated.
If vaccine provides no immunity, its pointless vaccinating anyone, instead give treatment that reduces extremes of infection ( such as ivermectin) to those infected.
If no-one knows if it provides immunity , vaccinate as many as possible on the off chance it might work.
It appears every country is following the 3rd path.
Which leaves the distinct possibility ( probability?) that this will not work (immunity by vaccines of coronavirus have never really worked) and we are left with either continuing madness of lockdowns etc or finally exhaustion overcomes fear and we return to something approaching normality by default.
Incidentally this is why just talking about ‘lockdowns’ as if they are a discreet ‘inconvenience’ is simply stupid. They are just part, a very disturbing part, of the overall problem.
Put simply, if this coronavirus is so different to all the rest, its probably been manufactured, and we are all f*cked. If its not, then the much derided Gupta’s of this world are correct and its mainly a PCR testademic.

386412 ▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 2, #890 of 1669 🔗

Agree; lockdowns are a symptom of a failed, and some might say, malevolent mindset. Hence whilst I still think that our main thrust should be ramming the home the message that lockdowns don’t save lives, they cost lives, the underlying mindset should not be immune (no pun intended) from dissection and criticism.

386436 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to peyrole, 3, #891 of 1669 🔗

For a hollowed-out, bored Western civilization, the introduction of an exciting concept such as “lockdown” (with its sado-masochistic undertones) is too good to miss. Squeeze – tighter and tighter until the pips pop!

386370 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #892 of 1669 🔗

Novavax, with big backing from. The B and M Gates Foundation, have managed to produce their first vaccine after 30 years of trying

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/health/coronavirus-vaccine-novavax.html

386440 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #893 of 1669 🔗

That’s another one to stay clear of.

386530 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #894 of 1669 🔗

I’m going nowhere near ANY of them !

386462 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #895 of 1669 🔗

Sound like it’s just a big part of the money-go-round.

“Where there’s Bill there’s brass.”

386371 Paul, replying to Paul, 29, #896 of 1669 🔗

As we know there is a huge amount of exaggeration going on with all this bollocks,I had some directed at me this week.I was told a relative in Kent ‘had Covid’ and was in a bad way in hospital on a ventilator.My first reaction was,no,I don’t believe that and I was right,the truth was he was in hospital for a couple of days for a completely different reason,was not in any way seriously ill or on a ventilator.He had been tested in the hospital and big surprise he was positive but with no symptoms whatsoever and felt okay.I suppose it isn’t cool to be in hospital with something other than covid now.

386383 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Paul, 7, #897 of 1669 🔗

Hysteria isn’t it.

386386 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Paul, 16, #898 of 1669 🔗

Sounds like the colleague of a friend, rumours had been circulating for months that he’d been suffering a terrible case of Long Covid, turns out on speaking to him that he’s just had a bit of trouble sleeping which he mostly puts down to stress – from lockdown.

386438 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #899 of 1669 🔗

I think there are some people who delight in making mountains out of molehills, I don’t know why but they seem to relish it.

386556 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #900 of 1669 🔗

To moles, maybe molehills look like mountains.

386382 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 30, #901 of 1669 🔗

On a shop to Home Bargains this morning , they announced over the speaker about social distancing and face coverings, but at the end they then also said to respect people who can’t wear a face covering. I hate those speaker announcements, but at least when they say something like that it makes me feel more at ease that I am not getting as many death stares. Though to be fair I’ve never had any in HB anyway.

Scaremongered Mother in law due to get her 1st vaccine tomorrow, she can’t wait.

I have been absolutely overwhelmed with anti-lockdown fatigue most of the week and felt quite low and hopeless about a lot of it. Sleep has been terrible.
Perked up a bit now and the humour and camaraderie here helps massively.

Keep on keeping on everyone.

386477 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #902 of 1669 🔗

I get death stares and people ( especially oldies jump out of my way or even run away with their trollies hahaha ) avoid me in Sainsbury’s daily . Fuck ’em

386582 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Harry Chara, 1, #903 of 1669 🔗

I’ve never had any death stares in Sainsbury’s or other supermarket, not that i go that often.
And if i did, I can give as good as I get.

386686 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #904 of 1669 🔗

Ganjan, I find it helps to have a day or two completely away from anything to do with Covid and lockdowns – no media or social media (not even sceptical sites like this one) and no visiting areas where masked people are visible. It won’t harm the cause if you have a bit of ‘shore leave’ and it will enable you to recharge batteries to continue the fight.

386985 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Ganjan21, #905 of 1669 🔗

Been the same with the fatigue, feeling low and disturbed sleep. Been getting some very weird dreams too. Glad you’ve perked up a bit. I perked up this afternoon when I found out that my Friday night speakeasy is open for business again next week. Hurrah!

386389 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #906 of 1669 🔗

Can anyone enlighten me on the types of vaccine? New ones are appearing faster than i can keep track. I know the Pfizer one is based on novel technology, but I thought Asra/Zeneca was conventional – and now we have Johnson and Johnson and Novavax as well?

386392 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to redbirdpete, #907 of 1669 🔗

Im interested on this too. My friends friend is a pharmacist and told her not to trust the Pfizer one but the Oxford/Astra one ‘should’ be safe. Not that my friend is getting it but her husband might have to as he has just started chemotherapy.

386591 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ganjan21, #908 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I was told the same by a virologist friend of a friend.

386419 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #910 of 1669 🔗

There are really 7 published outcomes of trials of vaccines and they fall into two camps.
Four have resulted in either the pharmas pulling out because they can’t reach acceptable trial results ( Merck, a French Pasteur one) or low results, about the same as flu vaccines ( J&J, AZ ).
Three have produced unbelievable ( literally) results ( moderna and Pfizer with mRNA tech) and now Novavax with more conventional tech. All over 90% efficacy.
What distinguishes these two groups? The second group have been backed extensively by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Draw your own conclusions.

386431 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #911 of 1669 🔗

Astrazeneca vaccine is made from a monkey virus, note monkey virus and not Sars Cov!

386452 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #912 of 1669 🔗

J & J can be taken as a single dose. One thing that’s forgotten especially by the EU is the Oxford/Zeneca can be best taken as half doe then full dose. Should be safe if you don’t mind that it was tested in UK, South Africa and Brazil….

386468 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #913 of 1669 🔗

the Oxford/Zeneca can be best taken as half dose then full dose” – a fact only discovered due to a dosing mistake in the vaccine trials. But don’t worry we have lots of clever people working around the clock to make sure all these things are safe so we shouldn’t ever question them or their methods.

386469 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to redbirdpete, #914 of 1669 🔗

See the individual vaccine leaflets towards the bottom of this link

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/informed-consent-is-this-fundamental-right-being-respected/

386613 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #915 of 1669 🔗

Sebastian Rushworth (a doctor in Sweden) has written an article comparing them.. sebastianrushworth.com

386660 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Carrie, 1, #916 of 1669 🔗

That was particularly helpful, thank you.

386391 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 24, #917 of 1669 🔗

On change.org:

My dad Colin was the most loving and attentive man, full of humour and laughs. I have so many cherished memories of him; family holidays and playing snooker.
The news is reporting that 100,000 people in the UK have now died in the coronavirus pandemic. It’s a shocking statistic. My dad was one of them. But, like all other victims, he wasn’t just a statistic. He was someone who deserves to be honoured and remembered, and that’s why I’m calling for a memorial day for all the victims lost to Covid. Will you support my campaign?

Across the UK, hundreds of thousands of families have lost loved ones in the same cruel way. Many did not get to be there for a final goodbye. As a country, we need space to collectively remember and mourn what we’ve been through. That’s why we need a national memorial: for all those lost to this disease and the key workers who fought to keep us safe.

A national memorial??!! How many families have lost loved ones from cancer, heart disease, normal standard boring old pneumonia which no one seems to care about any more? Why shouldn’t they get a memorial too, if that’s the way you want to play it? Were all those people just statistics, not mourned in any way by their families?

386400 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #918 of 1669 🔗

‘Will you support my campaign?’

Bog off.

386422 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #919 of 1669 🔗

Andrea re read his last paragraph, he’s saying bog off too!

386516 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #920 of 1669 🔗

Yep I got that. Just agreeing.

386425 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Andrea Salford, #921 of 1669 🔗

My first thought, obviously!

386519 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #922 of 1669 🔗

Yep – I got that. My post was my response to them, not you. Sorry for confusion.

386408 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #923 of 1669 🔗

My brother died at the beginning of this year OF cancer, far too young, remembered by all those who knew him, which is how it should be.

386433 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #924 of 1669 🔗

There’ll be plenty of ‘memorials’ to the hysterial response to COVID: empty town centres.

386455 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #925 of 1669 🔗

yes, I got this too – nearly vomited

386471 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to A. Contrarian, 22, #926 of 1669 🔗

My dad is in hospital receiving end of life care, he was admitted to hospital last week with heart failure and possible sepsis.

For the first 3 or so days, nobody was allowed to visit, even though he was deteriorating and he became confused.

After repeated calls to PALS and the CEO’s office, my mum was able see him.

I found out on Sunday that my mum hadn’t kissed him or hugged him. Both my and my wife were very firm, ‘take your mask off and give him a kiss!”

He’s now receiving unlimited visiting and receiving good care, but we had to fight for it.

I would fire-bomb a ‘Covid Memorial’.

386507 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #927 of 1669 🔗

Well done, Winston.

Hope your dad pulls through. 💖 💖 💖

386722 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #928 of 1669 🔗

I’m quite sure that if a BBC film-crew- with or without the ghastly Mryrie incubus- had rocked up demanding immediate access to your Dad’s bedside, access would have been duly granted.

386475 ▶▶ mj, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #929 of 1669 🔗

100,000 people sadlidied with covid *.
How can “hundreds of thousands of families have lost loved ones”. Doesn’t a person just have one family or are they all bigamists ?

*normal scepticism applies

386501 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mj, 5, #930 of 1669 🔗

How can “hundreds of thousands of families have lost loved ones”.

Good spot, mj.

386577 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #931 of 1669 🔗

Actually, there is a point to this, as much as our initial reaction is some hostility.
Many families have lost close relatives, and they’ve been prevented from being with them, from seeing them, or even from having a proper funeral service.
I have sympathy for that.

A memorial? No. That is a little too mawkish for my tastes.
I’d rather have a full public inquiry into whether all these measures, and the misery left in their wake, were justified, and to find out how many died from CV19, and how many killed by neglect, lockdown, etc.

386584 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #932 of 1669 🔗

They’re called graveyards.

386677 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #933 of 1669 🔗

Oddly enough the mrs. at breakfast said this would be ‘a thing’ soon. Put me right off my toast and marmalade. But in a way it could be a good sign as it might indicate fatigue with the whole bloody charade and a belief that it’s coming to an end. After all you can’t build a memorial if the ‘war’ is still going on.

386394 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 43, #934 of 1669 🔗

About 18 months ago you could hardly move for people banging on about mental health – Royals, celebrities, politicians, sports men/women, presenters – all over the TV/MSM pressing the case for how important mental health is and looking out for and supporting those vulnerable. Now we have a huge and serious threat to the mental health of millions – old and young – where are these hand wringing virtue signallers?

386414 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #935 of 1669 🔗

The virtue signallers are all part of the governments numerous willing sockpuppets. They are there to divide us.

386428 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrea Salford, #936 of 1669 🔗

They are sadly quite active in the corporate world. Seems like stress levels are still rising, especially among the home schoolers.

386430 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #937 of 1669 🔗

Last year’s bandwagon got traded in for a newer model.

386502 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Andrea Salford, 10, #938 of 1669 🔗

The sad truth is no-one really gives a shit about mental health. It occasionally has periods of being a fashionable cause, to be exploited by those looking to bolster their brand. But the key point is no-one actually cares that much.

386672 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #939 of 1669 🔗

Excellent point. Why aren’t the Markles making videos on it?

386395 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #940 of 1669 🔗

Fellow sceptics. Let’s assume we are 100% incorrect and lockdowns, face masks, distancing etc has been the correct thing to do. Then were we wrong to question the actions of the government? I’d say questioning the actions of politicians shows intelligence, but then I could be wrong.

386403 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #941 of 1669 🔗

One should always question people’s motives, particularly the government, otherwise you’re leaving yourself open to a hiding for nothing. The Covid scamdemic has proven that!

386515 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #942 of 1669 🔗

Every bit of information.

Why does somebody want me to know this?

This reaction is critical to any source. Apply as filter.

386410 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #943 of 1669 🔗

Asking questions can never be wrong. Refusing to answer them is inexcusable.

386411 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #944 of 1669 🔗

Like a detective with a hunch, I followed the trail of evidence and it brought me to the truth. Lockdowns and face masks don’t work.

386439 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #945 of 1669 🔗

Covid is either the greatest threat to mankind in the last 100 years, or the reaction to it is

Either way, any sane person would want to see a rational debate of the best way to proceed and listen to all points of view, and to be open to having been wrong on the basis of new evidence emerging given that covid was new so evidence was scarce

Labelling dissent or questioning as dangerous or trying to suppress it is simply idiotic, unscientific and immoral

386568 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 3, #946 of 1669 🔗

My thought is that they’re hiding something which they don’t want to admit to.

386668 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to LMS2, 1, #947 of 1669 🔗

I think lots of things are being hidden. I suspect some in the government, civil service and medical profession are terrified of malpractice and are thus forging full steam ahead with the chosen narrative in the hope they can cover their tracks. I know it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and judge, but from the PM down these people have been ‘economical with the actualite’ almost from day one.

386719 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cranmer, 1, #948 of 1669 🔗

I was interested to see this Daily Mail article a couple of weeks ago. There had been publicity about the possibility that doctors might have to turn off life support if it came down to a choice of who should live and who should die (ie prioritising life saving procedures).

Doctors asked that they be exempt from prosecution (sound familiar?) if they have to make such decisions. But what is particularly of note, and hidden way down the article, is that they have requested that any such exemption should be backdated to the beginning of the pandemic. I wonder what we are to make of that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9154805/Doctors-nurses-fears-prosecuted-switching-Covid-patients-life-support.html

386480 ▶▶ mj, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #949 of 1669 🔗

not only should we be questioning, so should the MSM be questioning , and the MPs , and the doctors .

386531 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #950 of 1669 🔗

I found this quote on an article (not about COVID and one which is about 7 years old) that I gave my sixth form students:

“Health warning: Always note that we must be aware of placing too much weight on arguments put forward by those with a vested interest.”

386566 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #951 of 1669 🔗

We’re never wrong to question, if only to prove the strength of their argument or position, or to challenge our own prejudices and assumptions.
If they’re telling us we’re wrong to ask questions or challenge them, then my assumption is that they’re lying and covering up their real motives.

386407 Crystal Decanter, 2, #952 of 1669 🔗

Phillip Kaufmans remake of “ Invasion of the Body Snatchers ” has become our current year reality

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gDhz5S5qm8No/

386409 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #953 of 1669 🔗

Reading the nurse’s take on the hospital situation, made me wonder… What if someone went into hospital, say, with a broken leg, and refused to take a ‘covid’ test? Would they be thrown out on to the street? Or put into a private room, as a possible bio-hazard? That’d one way of getting a private room without paying for it.

386432 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 1, #954 of 1669 🔗

Someone posted here a few weeks ago who broke something and was basically forced to take a test

386588 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, #955 of 1669 🔗

I do wonder how someone is ”forced” to take a test. Held down? Blackmailed? They can’t actually put you out of the door, can they?

386467 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, 1, #956 of 1669 🔗

Great question.

A connection in the US had a burst vein in her eye. When she asked this question they told her that if she refused the test that she could not be treated. NICE!

386553 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #957 of 1669 🔗

Docs in the US get paid for diagnosing Covid…

Of course, we know why they want to test everyone, but seems like some people in the US intelligence service are just waking up to the DNA collection: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-us-biodata-60-minutes-2021-01-28/ (Or are only allowing the information to leak out now?)

Interesting to have our suspicions confirmed 😉

386560 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 5, #958 of 1669 🔗

It will vary.

I’ve refused a PCR test on three occasions – or, at least, have refused informed consent for a nasal swab as an unnecessary and uncomfortable invasive procedure (a quite genuine reason in my case).

The response in general was totally civilised, although one not very bright nurse taking blood did decide to lecture me about ‘thinking of others’.

One senior nurse went as far as to find out and relay the views of the hospital virologist, but essentially shrugged her shoulders, and we didn’t fall out at all. But I never wind up confrontation – I strive to do the reverse, and smile, smile, smile as a matter of policy.

386695 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Banjones, 1, #959 of 1669 🔗

When I was hospitalised back in the summer they didn’t even tell me they’d done a test – I was at the time to ill to know what was going on. (6 hours in resus). It was negative.

386418 JohnB, 5, #960 of 1669 🔗

Just had a ‘Weekly Vaccine Update’ email from my reptile member of parliament. Can hardly wait to read it …

Suggestions for a response welcome – constructive, abusive, or indeed anything that won’t bring plod to my door. So, very sadly, placing her head on a stick is out.

386435 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #961 of 1669 🔗

I can’t recommend this video enough (posted by someone earlier)….

This lady is so experienced and has been a Dr for so long that her son is also a Dr.

Some of what she says about the virus is quite incredible, but anything is possible, but the most important parts of her talk for me was about preventative treatments and also the new vaccines…

https://www.brighteon.com/b95f1834-1283-4866-b16e-fb6bf9092aeb

386712 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Major Panic, #962 of 1669 🔗

I agree! Highly recommended. The talk she gave back in August was excellent as well, but perhaps a bit out of date given how quickly things are moving.

386441 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 2, #963 of 1669 🔗

Seeing that ‘positive cases’ graph ATL reminds me of a post I made late last night (actually about 2 in the morning). I think it’s worth posting again for the ‘day shift’ to consider.

“At Bojo’s latest presser Patrick Vallance said of the UK’s coronavirus cases, “We still are in a position with very high numbers.”
He said the Office for National Statistics data shows there are one million people with the infection in this country.

“That’s roughly one in 55 people,” he says. “ Lockdowns have worked … but it’s early days… this isn’t

coming down quickly… it’s going to take weeks for this to come down to really low levels ,” he says.”

That really bothers me. The chart below shows the latest ‘cases’ data.

First the numbers start plummeting on the day the Lockdown started . That’s highly improbable. There should have been some continuation in the rise, or a levelling, then a steady drop; certainly not what actually happened.

This sudden drop even goes against what he says should happen.

They are not testing fewer people each day; in fact, testing’s going up and up.

I can only assume the order has gone out (on Lockdown day) to drop the CT cycle rate of the PCR tests. I can’t think of any other explanation for this drop.”

————-

Just to add – the Beeb are reporting the latest ONS survey figures are showing no change to those Vallance quoted. This make the published Gov.uk figures (shown in my graph) look even more suspicious.

386476 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ceriain, 3, #964 of 1669 🔗

For what it’s worth the average CT values for positives for the ONS Infection Survey just out has gone up in recent weeks, see this table.

Obviously pillar 1, 2 testing (or whatever they call it these days) is a different thing.

Most of the positives are not infectious based on those CT values, although others with more expertise might want to comment on that

386527 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #965 of 1669 🔗

Thanks, that’s very interesting. I didn’t think that we had CT data like that. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t that data imply that a third of positives are only positive in one of the three tested gene strands – should they really be called a positive?
Also, the numbers showing ORF1ab + N protein – are they the “Kent” plague? And doesn’t this show them dropping recently?
The ORF1ab only figures are pretty interesting for the final two weeks. Are they calling this a strain or is this more likely test contamination?
Finally, if the ORF1ab only and n protein only figures are likely testing errors, doesn’t that imply a good chance that many of the ORF1ab + N protein figures (Kent plague) are bullshit too?

386564 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, #966 of 1669 🔗

It looks like they are having to push the CT pedal very hard to find the ORF1ab protein, but the S protein stubbornly refuses to appear any more. It is a shame we can’t see the CT values broken down by protein detection. That would likely give us a very interesting story.

386534 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #967 of 1669 🔗

Thanks, FC; that’s helpful. 🙂

386537 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #968 of 1669 🔗

That’s fascinating. Without graphing the detail, there is a gradient (of the median Ct) from 26.6 to 31.6 between October and January.

By my calculation, on best available information re. the effect of Ct levels that represents an increase in false positives from about 50% of PCR+ results to about 80% – on an fixed number of tests.

Translate that into ‘cases’! Anyone fancy doing some illustrative maths?

Classic casedemic increase – and what did we see on those government-inspired graphs?

386706 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #969 of 1669 🔗

Can you supply a reference for this so we can see if we can spit the pips out?

386864 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NickR, 1, #970 of 1669 🔗

It’s in the data part of this publication

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyuk29january2021

Download the excel spreadsheet and the contents sheet will point you towards sheets 6a and 6b

387264 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Freecumbria, #971 of 1669 🔗

Thanks again. Going to have a closer look tomorrow.

386567 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #972 of 1669 🔗

Any drop in cases will be accredited to the vaccine 🙁
Even though they’ve manipulated it by dropping the PCR cycles.

386587 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Carrie, 2, #973 of 1669 🔗

Any drop in cases will be accredited to the vaccine

I’m sure they will, Carrie; they certainly can’t say “it was lockdown wot done it” – the numbers come down too quick for that.

By the way, so nice to see you back, Carrie. 🙂

386598 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #974 of 1669 🔗

Thanks, you’re very kind 🙂

386448 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #975 of 1669 🔗

Immediately after the vaccine was administered, this:

A nursing home near the Highland capital has been hit by a mass outbreak of Covid-19 cases.

NHS Highland has been notified of 35 infection cases in all at the independent Meallmore Lodge care home near Daviot, seven miles south of the city.

They include 17 residents and 18 members of staff.

https://www.ross-shirejournal.co.uk/news/mass-outbreak-of-coronavirus-cases-at-nursing-home-south-of-highland-capital-226352/

Elsewhere:

British Colony of Gibraltar

“53 people have died in 10 days immediately following the roll out of injections of the Pfizer mRNA COVID injections”

Residents calling it a “massacre.”

Also

UKC reporting another British care home with 22 covid incidents (infection or dead I cannot recall) within days of vaccination.

386460 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 3, #976 of 1669 🔗

VAERS is up to 181 deaths in the US. Less than 1% are reported to VAERS, so if it’s 0.5%, that’s going to be upwards of 90k…

386521 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #977 of 1669 🔗

That’s a good point about the % of adverse effects usually reported to VAERS.. However I would think people will be more likely to report deaths than ‘just’ side effects?

386702 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Carrie, 2, #978 of 1669 🔗

Unless they’ve been convinced the death was not related to the “vaccine.” Doctors are supposed to report to VAERS but many do not, hence the low percentage of reports.

386503 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 4, #979 of 1669 🔗

As I posted yesterday:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9188551/Coronavirus-UK-Weekly-care-home-death-toll-triples-fortnight.html
“Weekly Covid deaths in care homes nearly TRIPLED in a fortnight with 1,705 residents dying in England and Wales last week as pandemic total surges past 30,000
1,705 care home residents died from the virus in the week ending January 22
That was up from 661 a fortnight ago and 1,292 in week ending January 15
Care home residents account for almost third of all Covid fatalities, ONS says “

386506 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to LMS2, 4, #980 of 1669 🔗

MHRA cintinue to hide the side effect data from the public.

386508 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, #981 of 1669 🔗

Plus:
https://www.ross-shirejournal.co.uk/news/shocking-mental-health-impact-of-coronavirus-crisis-triggers-help-call-from-highland-msp-226263/
“Highland MSP fears ‘epidemic’ of mental health problems in wake of coronavirus crisis as front line experts reveal ‘shocking’ impact to date
With self-harm incidents increasing since lockdown, Highland MSP David Stewart is calling on government to address the mental health spill-over from coronavirus.”

386518 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 6, #982 of 1669 🔗

I believe that until the vaccine programme, Gibraltar had only had 17 deaths from covid… So more people have died from the vaccine than the virus…

386526 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 4, #983 of 1669 🔗

The Gibraltar authorities have said that only “discredited” individuals have connected the spike in deaths with the vaccinations.

386555 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #984 of 1669 🔗

And let me guess, their definition of a discredited individual is someone who connects the spike in deaths with vaccinations?

386580 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 6, #985 of 1669 🔗
386948 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ceriain, 1, #986 of 1669 🔗

yes, I want that T-shirt!

386819 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #987 of 1669 🔗

What like a son who has just watch their dad die within days of being poisoned.

386451 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #988 of 1669 🔗

This Morrisons sign (at door) refers to ‘ Medical Exclusions ‘ – there is no such a thing as a medical exclusion, only Exclusion as per the Face covering guidelines.

How can this blatantly false information be addressed?

386461 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 11, #989 of 1669 🔗

I received a response from Aldi saying the same thing. I have responded telling them they are wrong. Let’s just see what they come back with.

386496 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 7, #990 of 1669 🔗

had this conversation with Aldi customer services last week. They did say exemptions apply. it did strike me that they were following an instruction but in reality at the stores they are playing it low key. I was asked by a member of staff (first time ever) and told them i was exempt and that was it. I am going back in the morning so i will see if the policy is the same
Does no harm to check .. will be interested if the response is the same

386709 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 3, #991 of 1669 🔗

This is enforced by Costco. Unfortunately, it’s a “club”, where access is not to the public; it’s visor at minimum or no entry. Bastards.

386755 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to RichardJames, 1, #992 of 1669 🔗

gave up shopping there, nothing of any interest to my business is cheaper there, only fuel.

386479 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Victoria, 10, #993 of 1669 🔗

Starts with NO FACE COVERING NO ENTRY and ends without irony with please be kind.

386492 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 20, #994 of 1669 🔗

So many annoying things on that trash:

“Our store colleagues are working hard to feed you and your family.”
No, you’re not, you sell stuff. They make it sound like they’re a fucking food kitchen!

Also interesting that the model isn’t even ‘wearing’ a mask; that’s been photoshopped onto him.

386697 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Victoria, 4, #995 of 1669 🔗

A hardware shop near me has a door covered in posters saying “no face covering, no entry”. I was looking for the “unless exempt” bit but there wasn’t one. There was another poster next to it, however, saying “if you can’t wear a mask we will provide you with a plastic visor. No face covering, no entry”.

I’d name and shame but they’re closing down soon anyway. I went to B&Q instead.

386454 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #996 of 1669 🔗

Saw this for sale at Morrisons at the toy section. Fancy a bit of colouring/decorating activity for your child?

386473 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 5, #997 of 1669 🔗

I’m assuming that was in the ‘unessential items’ aisle. 😉

386498 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 18, #998 of 1669 🔗

Ffs.
Talk about embedding into the culture.
Children under 16 shouldn’t be wearing masks anyway. They’re still developing brain and immune function. Making them wear masks is child abuse.

Making anyone else wear a mask, except in necessary situations, eg when nursing an infectious or immunocompromised patient, is abuse.

386535 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to LMS2, 3, #999 of 1669 🔗

Talking of abuse, I’ve just seen this:
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1355151269095223298 and feel like I’ve entered the twilight zone..

It’s a Chinese demonstration of how to carry out an anal (yes, really) Covid swab – latest suggested plan for travellers…

Obviously trying to ramp up the humiliation and further discourage travel. Of course, no ‘elites’ will be subjected to this…

386652 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, #1000 of 1669 🔗

no ‘elites’ will be subjected to this…” haha can you imagine,
“Yes, Ms. Madonna, if you would just assume the position please, & we can have you in New York toot suite..!” 🙂

386674 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Carrie, 5, #1001 of 1669 🔗

This would end the pandemic tomorrow. If that’s what the PCR test looked like, I guarantee people with no symptoms would stop getting tested.

386458 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 48, #1002 of 1669 🔗

The phantom bench-sitter strikes again (such wanton disregard of the rules, shocking …).

386464 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to kh1485, 14, #1003 of 1669 🔗

Handsome beast. I do love Labs.

386483 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 44, #1004 of 1669 🔗

“This bench is safe! It has been Lab tested!”

386517 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 2, #1005 of 1669 🔗

He’s a beauty but some bugger might steal him. I hope the owner was just out of shot.

386546 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #1006 of 1669 🔗

Is that coffee in the blue bowl?

386552 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 7, #1007 of 1669 🔗

His expression says ‘humans,what the bloody hell have you done to my world ?’.

386562 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 7, #1008 of 1669 🔗

Or, “do I have to sit on another bloody bench?”

386466 Julian, 1, #1009 of 1669 🔗

Novavax says its COVID-19 vaccine was 89.3% effective in UK trials, but less effective against South Africa variant On Thursday, Novavax Inc. announced a trial conducted in the UK found that its COVID-19 vaccine is nearly 90% effective in preventing infection. The results from the trial suggest that the vaccine offers protection against the more contagious UK variant of COVID-19. However, the company also found that the vaccine was not as effective — just less than 50% — in a smaller study in South Africa, largely due to the presence of the B.1.351 variant.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1354908446051581953

386478 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1010 of 1669 🔗

Fool Me Once …..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCLfuMCyIE&list=WL&index=43

Joe Biden is recycling the identical green energy scam he pulled twelve years ago. Only this time he plans to steal much more taxpayer money.

Tony Heller

386481 Ceriain, 7, #1011 of 1669 🔗

There are that many vaccines flying about now that surely it’s only a matter of time before they start advertising them on the TV.

I got the text from my surgery yesterday asking me to book my shot.

Dear Ceriain,
You have been invited to book your COVID-19 vaccinations.
Please click the link to book your vaccination times: linky
Regards, etc…

Note the vaccination s (plural).

386484 bebophaircut, 1, #1012 of 1669 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5DNOh9OYTxGH/

Recent Mark Windows. A thorough summing up of the past year.

386488 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1013 of 1669 🔗
IT'S TIME TO WRITE OFF COVID-19 BUSINESS LOANS

250,000 SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ON THE BRINK – REMOVING THIS DEBT WILL HELP THEM AND THE ECONOMY

https://www.coviddebtwriteoff.com

386499 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Victoria, 2, #1014 of 1669 🔗

Would writing off the debt actually make it disappear or does it simply shift the burden to somewhere else?

386513 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #1015 of 1669 🔗

Fuck it, just add it to the multi-generational tax bill with all of the other debt. Our great grandkids can pick up the tab. Suckers.

386747 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1016 of 1669 🔗

it will be pushed back to the magic money tree

386810 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Nobody2021, #1017 of 1669 🔗

For every debtor there’s a creditor if one side of he defaults then there is a loser. HOwever this doesn’t matter as the great reset has plans to wipe all debt!!

386489 isobar, replying to isobar, 2, #1018 of 1669 🔗

I know that this article has been flagged up before, but having now had a chance to read it, it’s a devastating insight as to how mortality figures have almost certainly been exaggerated. https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

386685 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to isobar, 1, #1019 of 1669 🔗

This is very easy to read, although some of the graphs need and paragraphs need a little more attention and willingness to read, I would recommend to give it to a believer who is prepared to be educated.

386855 ▶▶ kate, replying to isobar, #1020 of 1669 🔗

This is a great article and highly valuable website. I encourage everyone to read!

386490 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1021 of 1669 🔗
386491 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1022 of 1669 🔗

Regional data

386500 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1023 of 1669 🔗

New (not very) mutant variant data, by country

386504 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1024 of 1669 🔗

Regional new variant data

386511 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1025 of 1669 🔗

Cycle thresholds for the positives by week. Going up. At these levels most +ves are not infectious I understand

386493 IanC, replying to IanC, 8, #1026 of 1669 🔗

See link… A take on the latest government propaganda campaign “Look them in the eye”, but adding a bit of context.… I wish I could use taxpayers money to promote this version. I’m not sure who to credit the additional graphics to or I would. First spotted amended graphics on a link to Twitter here on LS.(Sound on).
“Look them in the eye”… https://youtu.be/TB-RF_6GA_w
Bitchute version in case it’s gone from YT is https://www.bitchute.com/video/OomgCr4a2iGJ/

Also, here’s a link to a video that was deleted from YouTube recently This is an incredible lady. Doctor Simone Gold she’s also a lawyer many will have come across her. She is vilified by much of the Mainstream Media. Which goes to show she might well be worth listening to. If you give it a couple of minutes you will find she is quite compelling. If she is play-acting, she should be up for multiple Oscars and Emmys BAFTA’s etc. Warning its nearly an hour long.
Dr Simone Gold on CV19 “experimental” Vaccines etc. https://www.bitchute.com/video/onWqOMszB3Pc/

386509 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to IanC, 2, #1027 of 1669 🔗

I agree its an excellent video, well explained.

386731 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to IanC, 1, #1028 of 1669 🔗

I read somewhere that she had been arrested…?? Was she one of the doctors who spoke outside the SCOTUS, back in the good old days when we still had freedom of speech?

386912 ▶▶ kate, replying to IanC, #1029 of 1669 🔗

Excellent video the science explained clearly by a doctor and reasoned throughout.

386505 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1030 of 1669 🔗

The argument for masks dissolves completely every time they stop someone visiting someone else for whatever reason, for making people isolate on a positive result or associating with someone with a positive result, etc etc. They are a pointless exercise.

386528 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1031 of 1669 🔗
386541 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 2, #1032 of 1669 🔗

That’s a great graphic!

386545 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 3, #1033 of 1669 🔗

Nice visual, but the scale is orders of magnitude off. The virus would be invisible.

386704 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1034 of 1669 🔗

Yes but you have to have something visual . You can’t meaningfully represent the solar system on that scale, for example. I think it makes the point OK.

386676 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Julian, #1035 of 1669 🔗

Are the holes in cloth masks really 0.5mm big, that sounds huge?

386739 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to davews, #1036 of 1669 🔗

it would depend on the thread count

386510 Bella Donna, 6, #1037 of 1669 🔗
386522 Julian, 7, #1038 of 1669 🔗

Ironic given the attacks on Swayne for being anti vaccination that his latest blog entry from last week is all about ideas to speed up the rollout of the vaccine

386525 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1039 of 1669 🔗

Just watched the Ultimate Swervers from my front door.

I’ve seen a few people walk past on my pavement who have moved to the edge of the pavement as they pass my garden fence. I just shake my head.

The 2 people who have just passed take the prize: Neither is old, or very frail looking; both are masked, with visors. They are walking down the road and are moving fully into the middle of the road every time they have to pass someone. From above they would look like a bouncing bomb.

Insanity!

386539 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1040 of 1669 🔗

Natural de-selection will kick in when they are hit by a passing vehicle.

386547 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 5, #1041 of 1669 🔗

Doubtless driven by a face mask wearing lockdownista, whose vision is impaired by the mask.

386557 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 6, #1042 of 1669 🔗

Driven by another clown in a mask.

386607 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1043 of 1669 🔗

Just beat me to it, Steve. 🙂

386565 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to Annie, 10, #1044 of 1669 🔗

Nearly happened to me as I was driving into town- a bloke swerved past a pedestrian walking in the opposite direction into the middle of the lane as I was within 20 yards or so- I think being hit by a car might be slightly more risky to health than any risk from walking past someone in the pavement even if they do have the lurgy!

386678 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 6, #1045 of 1669 🔗

But will they be counted a covid death, suicide, or having died from terminal stupidity?

386592 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1046 of 1669 🔗

I saw a similar example of irrational behaviour bordering on suicidal lunacy yesterday when I was on one of my very rare trips out from the Middle of Nowhere. A woman (masked, obviously) approaching me on the pavement, stopped when she realised that I was not only muzzled but also that I was steering a straight course with no apparent intention of varying it. She then performed quite a nimble leap into the road but, in her panic at having come so close to having to pass a potential plague-carrier, hadn’t bothered to look behind her and was nearly run over by an oncoming UPS delivery van. The driver braked hardish and gave her a good blast on his hooter. She had the temerity to glare at him and then at me! I just smiled.

386529 Basics, 3, #1047 of 1669 🔗

Today’s UK Column allowsyou to become acquainted with the lunatic that is Devi Sridhar. In the first ten minutes Partick and the great Mike summarise her place in the world.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-29th-january-2021

386532 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1048 of 1669 🔗

When will the government publish the number of people who have died after being vaccinated? When will we see daily up dates?

386542 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1049 of 1669 🔗

I believe the MHRA said, “ in the future “.

If it helps, I made my own. 😉

386536 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 19, #1050 of 1669 🔗

Its happened again!
The latest J&J vaccine trial of 15,000 people who were exposed to the virulent ‘Kent’ strain, who lest we forget the pharmas wanted to catch the virus so they could announce the best results possible; all of 62 people got infected ( 56 placebo, 6 vaccinated, hence the ludicrous story of 90% efficacy). That is 0.4% got infected. With an IFR of about 0.3% I can’t count the zeros after the decimal place.
What the hell is this about? Who goes ahead with vaccinating a population with an infection rate of 0.4%?!!!
Every trial has had the same sort of almost non-existent infection rates.
This is just mind-blowingly stupid.

386548 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 10, #1051 of 1669 🔗

It would make some sense if we were saying that natural immunity among the young and healthy is also going to play a huge role. But no, we apparently all need to take the vax. Doesn’t make any sense

386589 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1052 of 1669 🔗

The general acceptance of the mere myth of the Herd Immunity Threshold existing is to thank for that.

386585 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to peyrole, 3, #1053 of 1669 🔗

Amen.
In the midst of a raving 2nd wave plandemic, only 0.4% of people caught the virus- some people observed that the exactly similar low numbers for the approved Western vaccines were due to not have happened before the second wave.
Comparing the general narrative with these actual results proves that something stinks big time here.

386649 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, -7, #1054 of 1669 🔗

Why would they wait until, say, 20% had been infected.

They only need to reach a number which will be statistically significant. Once they had recorded 62 ‘events’ the 56:6 split meant they could estimate the efficacy of the vaccine with a high level of confidence.

The same goes for the other vaccines.

386540 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1055 of 1669 🔗

I was just heading for Real America’s Voice at 10 A.M. and was shown a connection failed message. Cyber attack? Internal virus or outside interference? ISP? I don’t know yet. Scanning with Malwarebytes. Pissed off.

386563 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bebophaircut, #1056 of 1669 🔗

I’ve managed to get into the ‘War Room’..

386544 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1057 of 1669 🔗

The Great Reopening — is taking place on 30 January 2021

Businesses across the UK unite! We are taking back the power over our own lives and businesses, in a national show of resistance by defying ludicrous lockdown rules and opening doors on 30th January.

After what is being called ‘a mass civil disobedience campaign’ in Italy, in which restaurant owners defied lockdown and acted in mass protest at the draconian rules by reopening their businesses. Businesses in the UK are rising up and doing the same.

The government MUST know that we will not simply roll over and watch all we have worked for disappear. The only way to save our businesses, our rights and our freedom is to insist we still have them.

Join the shops, pubs, bars and restaurants opening on 30 January 2021 and let us know on this thread so we can spread the word and support you.

Here is a link to some great resources to help with this campaign:

https://thewhiterose.uk/the-great-reopening-30-january-2021/

https://www.keepbritainfree.com/post/the-great-reopening

386550 ▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, 1, #1058 of 1669 🔗

There is so little information on the White Rose site. Telegram is useless.

386576 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, #1059 of 1669 🔗

There’s a network of Telegram groups – a national one and county groups – some counties also have district/parish groups. If you join a local group you’ll get information on what’s being done in your area – IIRC they are going to release lists of businesses which are opening. Also there are people offering services outside of lockdown rules, ie hairdressers willing to do home visits etc.

386619 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1060 of 1669 🔗

All for my area says they are handing out leaflets. Not good enough if we want to get this going.

386726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to alw, 3, #1061 of 1669 🔗

Mine too. Sadly I fear this will be a bit of a damp squib, plenty of small businesses in favour but worried they will be the only one, attract protesters not customers and be fined heavily. The names of businesses participating will be released on Saturday morning apparently. It needs some big players to join in, Wetherspoons for example.

386558 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1063 of 1669 🔗

Yes, and it must be even more horrible if it is a member of your own family who ‘wakes up’ to the truth too late…

386609 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Carrie, 2, #1064 of 1669 🔗

I’m fully expecting my sister to be onboard with being jabbed.

386729 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, #1065 of 1669 🔗

Send her that link.

386551 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1066 of 1669 🔗

Never forget. These people have no clue what they are doing.

386572 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1067 of 1669 🔗

Straight from the 2011/14 Influenza Pandemic Prep. Plan.

386586 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #1068 of 1669 🔗

It’ll be interesting to see what the revised version will be once this has all died down a bit and they plan for the next one. Presumably just one word:- Panic!

386596 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1069 of 1669 🔗

It sounds very similar to the recommendations of the Great Barrington Declaration!

386667 ▶▶ Betty Brown, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1070 of 1669 🔗

Hi BBRS
Can you cite the source for your post please. I’ve seen it posted elsewhere but also without citation.
Thanks.

386861 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Betty Brown, #1071 of 1669 🔗

It was on claire Craigs twitter a couple of days ago

386561 alw, 16, #1072 of 1669 🔗

Restaurants and bars open in Romania.

386573 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 15, #1073 of 1669 🔗

Just been into town for the first time in ten days and despite most shops being shut there were still a lot of people about.

Mask usage in shops was as high as before but it was noticeable that outside there were fewer wearing masks, around 10%. Still a few couples to be seen where one wears a mask and the other doesn’t?

386658 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Biggles, 3, #1074 of 1669 🔗

Yes, I’ve noticed that too. Quite peculiar…

386844 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Biggles, 1, #1075 of 1669 🔗

Weather a bit milder outside? Just a hypothesis, but maybe when it’s cold some people feel warmer with their exhaled hot air kept close to their face.

386578 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #1076 of 1669 🔗

Press release

UK Government announces exciting new financial initiative

A Chancellery spokesperson said. “Here at the Chancellery sound financial management is at the heart of everything we do

We are therefore pleased to announce the sale of the naming rights for the new covid variants. Our fantastic scientists have so far identified 12,562 new variants

The proud recipient of a Business Bounce Back Loan recently purchased the 888 variant for £150,000. The anonymous purchaser is believed to be the owner of PCR testing company and intends to rename the variant VacciMcVacFace

Our people at Imperial College have produced a model which suggests a successful float could cover the cost of everyone’s first Social Credit payment in early 2023

Please note the ‘New Kent’ and ‘England’ variants are unavailable as they have been donated to Uber Democratic Republic of China in recognition of their contribution to the pandemic

Here’s looking at you kid”

386597 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1077 of 1669 🔗

Why is it that, as soon as I see the words ”Imperial College” I feel my nostrils flaring and my lips drawing away from my teeth……

386606 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 1, #1078 of 1669 🔗

Do your hands become fists? They do? Then we have similar reactions then.

386794 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Banjones, #1079 of 1669 🔗

Havent the woke brigade had it renamed yet. cant use Imperial any more . even Mint imperials should be banned

386603 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1080 of 1669 🔗

You are so naughty, Cecil. 🙂

386583 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 35, #1081 of 1669 🔗

from r/nonewnormal
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386604 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #1082 of 1669 🔗

We collected our groceries from our local Tesco and the staff member was wearing a mask exactly like that one !

386629 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1083 of 1669 🔗

My dentist and his assistant were wearing the same with a fetching full visor, couldn’t understand a ruddy word they were saying.

386639 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1084 of 1669 🔗

My local M&S has a member of staff that wears one I think is designed for commercial spray painting.
I wonder if M&S made him sign sth it his decision he wears it and any consequent health issues he suffers are his responsibility.

386635 ▶▶ John P, replying to GrannySlayer, -1, #1085 of 1669 🔗

I think you’re being paranoid as well, but you won’t catch me even with so much as a mask on.

Those who believe in “plandemic” please try (really try for once!) to get this through your conceited skulls.

I don’t have to agree with you that this was planned. (And you don’t have to agree with me).

And that doesn’t mean that I have any time for this wretched government and their pointless lockdowns!

386680 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 4, #1086 of 1669 🔗

John, your need for validation is worrying. You should talk to someone about it.

386720 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John P, 1, #1087 of 1669 🔗

are we allowed to say that you have a conceited skull?

386728 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to John P, #1088 of 1669 🔗

I agree, with our current level of knowledge. Mass hysteria seems more likely. And frantic ass-covering (first in case the hospitals WERE swamped, now because its clear they were never going to be)

386643 ▶▶ John P, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1089 of 1669 🔗

I think you’re being paranoid as well, but you won’t catch me even with so much as a mask on.

Those who believe in “plandemic” please try (really try for once!) to understand this point:

I don’t have to agree with you that this was planned. (And you don’t have to agree with me).

And that doesn’t mean that I have any time for this wretched government and their pointless lockdowns!

387035 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 1, #1090 of 1669 🔗

And that doesn’t mean that I have any time for this wretched government and their pointless lockdowns!”

Good enough for me. Of course we’ll disagree from time to time (though fyi, I hold on to ideas like WEF lightly, though the influence of the moneychangers in general I think is always present in some form), but ultimately we’re on the same side of the wire as far as I’m concerned.

386590 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #1091 of 1669 🔗
386601 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 4, #1092 of 1669 🔗

Clown doesn’t know the difference between mis information and dis information.

386625 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1093 of 1669 🔗

Neither do I.

IMO the weasel word (or is that words) are just a shorthand smear for “views and opinions I don’t like and want to censor”.

386662 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to p02099003, 4, #1094 of 1669 🔗

Won’t be long before these trust members will be begging for us covid deniers to pay more taxes to keep them in a job.

386787 ▶▶ mj, replying to p02099003, 3, #1095 of 1669 🔗

when i read the following comment i had to laugh
“Some of the numbers associated with the pandemic could also be misleading.”
noshit sherlock!! i dont think he realised how true he was

386594 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 63, #1096 of 1669 🔗

Important bridge was closed today due to a suicide. Reaction from people I work with was that it was annoying because it meant they were late for work.

Amazing that the premature loss of life by suicide is trivialised but lord forbid a terminally ill 90 year old passes away with Covid.

Oh well, another covid death to add to the tally.

386696 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ricky1, 6, #1097 of 1669 🔗

An M1 junction in my vicinity is so infamous for suicide jumps that “I can’t stand no more, I think I’ll go to [ insert name of junction here. please ] is common parlance around here. But, as you say; only Covid matters.

386782 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1098 of 1669 🔗

scammonden bridge on the M62 is a popular one.. ive been stopped / diverted a few times
agree completely with your comments

386804 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, 3, #1099 of 1669 🔗

The one I’ve got in mind isn’t too far from there. Wasn’t aware of Scammonden Bridge’s repution, but knowing it as well as I do, it unfortunately comes as no surprise. You can more or less rely on the fall to finish you off. God help them.

386602 JayBee, 4, #1101 of 1669 🔗

The Jannssen one seems to be a similar dog as the Oxford one, no wonder in light of its similar approach and design.
Which is why they are deflecting the efficiency news towards zero deaths and hospitalisations, in truth a random side effect of the trials, which weren’t designed to measure and show that, and with the others not being much different in that regard anyway.
But the stupid public will likely buy it again and queue up for it.

386612 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #1102 of 1669 🔗

Bet you wished you lived in wales, Welsh lockdown is extended by three weeks ‘to allow NHS to recover’ Tell me with all honesty Drakeford isn’t a communist.

386616 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1103 of 1669 🔗

Top comments are great.

386622 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1104 of 1669 🔗

This NHS is one sick puppy.

386626 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1105 of 1669 🔗

To recover from what exactly? Someone is having a laugh!

386862 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1106 of 1669 🔗

Asymptomatic covid?

386654 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1107 of 1669 🔗

A) the NHS might recover. The economy won’t.
B) he’s a Commie. And I’m starting to think Boris is one too.

386659 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1108 of 1669 🔗

Is it a still the short sharp circuit breaker?

386856 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1109 of 1669 🔗

He’s indisputably a dickhead.

386617 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1110 of 1669 🔗

The Bozzer:”Nobody will be more than 10 miles from a vaccination centre”.
How come that my wife and “your’s truly’s” nearest centre is 23 miles away?

386624 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1111 of 1669 🔗

They’ll find a corner to erect one. A portacabin on a car park somewhere, with a few failed A-levellers armed with instruction manuals.

386633 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1112 of 1669 🔗

Have you tried looking up? Maybe it is in an airship?

386644 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1113 of 1669 🔗

Clearly you need to move closer to it!

386651 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1114 of 1669 🔗

Because Bozzer is a liar.

386733 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1115 of 1669 🔗

It’s possible you live outside the London conurbation and are thus nobody.

387096 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1116 of 1669 🔗

Perhaps they are going to introduce mobile vaccination units. They could commandeer ice cream vans (well, they already have freezers in them) and use the chimes to play something jolly, like Chopin’s Death March.

386620 Bella Donna, 31, #1117 of 1669 🔗

The Death of Life (by Peter Hitchens) Posted By The White Rose On 26/01/2021

This is deadly serious:

Imagine, if you will, a person arriving in a town on an empty train, at the empty station, for the meagre, distanced and strictly limited funeral of an old friend.

He asks his way to the crematorium. The only available stranger replies: ‘Take the right fork at the dead cafe. Go past ten dead restaurants, three dead pubs, a dead shopping mall, a dead bookshop, two dead cinemas and a dead theatre.

Turn right at the dead museum, and right again at the dead gym. Cross the road when you get to the dead swimming pool. Walk through the first dead university. At the dead covered market, turn right until you reach the dead library.

Then take the empty bus up through the other dead university, through the dead suburb and past the dead school. Watch out for the dead surgery. At the roundabout, turn down the hill by the dead church and keep going for half a mile.

You can’t miss the crematorium, as it is one of the few places where there are any signs of life.’



386621 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 18, #1118 of 1669 🔗

Just been for a village walk. Saw no-one muzzled-up. There were a couple of swervers, but they did it with such cheerfulness and smiles, as they stood aside in the road or pressed themselves into the hedgerow, that I really couldn’t glare in response! So responded with a beaming smile and a merry quip!

Ah well – it’s all grist to the mill and a few more seeds planted, we hope.

(I did the same in Aldi yesterday, and managed to raised a corresponding tentative and tremulous smile – but that’s probably because they thought I was a nutter.)

386656 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Banjones, 9, #1119 of 1669 🔗

I meet a woman on my walks,she is a swerver but as she is always pleasant and smiles I too can’t glare at her or make a comment.She is the exception though,all the other swervers I have met have been miserable bastards.

386854 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 3, #1120 of 1669 🔗

Some of the swervers clearly assume they are protecting me (in a considerate, rather than a virtue-signalling way).

387090 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cheezilla, #1121 of 1669 🔗

Playing ‘pavement chicken’ is one of the few excitements I have left. When I get to about 20 yards in front of an oncoming pedestrian, a look of panic sometimes crosses their face as they realise I’m not going to swerve. They then do a sort of ‘double swerve’ to make up for the fact that I have maintained a constant trajectory, leaving about 12′ of clearance instead of 6′. I suppose it’s a bit like double-masking.

386661 ▶▶ davews, replying to Banjones, 5, #1122 of 1669 🔗

A couple of swervers when I did my walk in the woods this afternoon. But the biggest problem was the workers had blocked the path to fell some trees so most of my route was in totally deserted back paths. Just one masked old man with walking stick passed, no smile from him…

386834 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Banjones, 3, #1123 of 1669 🔗

I’m not in the habit of going up close to strangers in any case, but if I’m feeling polite nowadays I make a point of making way for someone to pass if necessary. If I’m not feeling so polite I’ll walk in a straight line and let them swerve if they wish.

Good experience in Lidl this morning (with my exemption badge). At the self-checkouts the stroppy woman (though even she’s been OK in recent weeks) has been replaced by a friendly young man who cheerfully fixes the machine when it gets stuck, and wishes you a nice day when you leave, actually sounding quite sincere about it.

Not so good was to see in the street a masked mother with a masked (flowery pattern) boy aged about 3 or 4. When passing I said “Children shouldn’t be masked, it’s not natural!” (It’s not natural for adults either but it’s their decision).

386630 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #1124 of 1669 🔗

Food for thought. 15 demonstrators who were prosecuted after breaching airport security to prevent take off of a deportation flight have their convictions quashed on appeal.

https://mol.im/a/9201895

Judge stated that the charges brought under the Aviation and Maritime Security Act were inappropriate as tge legislation was intended to deal with terrorist acts, not those of protestors.

The enabling legislation for all the restrictions this country currently suffers is the Public Health Act 1984, a bill intended to allow magistrates the power close locations or premises where risk of infection or disease posed a danger to the public. By the same logic, should it not be a standard defence for anybody facing summons or conviction, that the enabling legislation has been used in such a manner for which it was never intended, that the regulations are unlawful.

386637 ▶▶ iane, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1125 of 1669 🔗

Yes, but you will struggle to find a judge who will accept such a challenge!

386693 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to iane, 3, #1126 of 1669 🔗

Only one that has retired unfortunately, this was Jonathan Sumption’s argument.

386665 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #1127 of 1669 🔗

Funny how there seems so much concern for the “civil rights” of foreign criminals (just because they are immigrants, basically, and it’s seen as “noble”), and so little concern for the basic freedoms of decent folk right here against lockdown abuses.

By the same logic, should it not be a standard defence for anybody facing summons or conviction, that the enabling legislation has been used in such a manner for which it was never intended, that the regulations are unlawful .

Obviously, but that’s not how these things work in practice. Judges know which side their careers are buttered, on these politically sensitive cases. That’s why they’ll speed through and hear favourably a silly challenge to executive authority when it’s for a cause seen as noble by the elite, but stonewall and deny cases brought with objectively better arguments that are seen as genuinely dissenting from the elite consensus. There is almost always enough complexity in these issues to allow for judgement either way, given confidence that the judgement won’t face too much elite scrutiny.

386734 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #1128 of 1669 🔗

“J udges know which side their careers are buttered, on these politically sensitive cases. That’s why …”

Should have added that the other reason this happens is just that judges are members of the establishment by definition, and often therefore personally share establishment groupthink attitudes and prejudices, especially anti-“populist” ones.

386841 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -1, #1129 of 1669 🔗

So you approve of populist policies like lockdowns and masking?

… and how about Johnson’s earlier ‘populism’ of suspending parliament. I guess you applauded that, since the judges were, of course ‘establishment’ as opposed to the ‘populist’ Old Etonian Brexiteer???

… and, of course, all deportees must be ‘criminals’.

That’s the problem with ‘populist’ ‘libertarians’ – they aren’t, and can’t deal with the necessary unconditionality of civil rights.

386870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #1130 of 1669 🔗

So you approve of populist policies like lockdowns and masking?

Nothing “populist” about policies that rely for popular support on systematic and massive state-funded and elite-approved fear propaganda.

But you knew that.

and how about Johnson’s earlier ‘populism’ of suspending parliament .”

The executive shutting down the legislature a bit earlier than usual to close down bitter-ender establishment resistance to implementing a policy approved in a referendum? No, can’t see a reason to get excited about that, frankly.

… and, of course, all deportees must be ‘criminals ’.”

Whether they are convicted criminals who are foreigners, or suspected criminals who are illegally in the country, deporting them is absolutely the correct action, and to be applauded, not resisted just because “immigrants good, sending them home racist-bad”.

That’s the problem with ‘populist’ ‘libertarians’ – they aren’t, and can’t deal with the necessary unconditionality of civil rights .

You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote. I didn’t suggest that these people should not have been released, I expressed my contempt for the widespread hypocrisy of people supposedly concerned about “rights” who would be horrified at some foreign criminals being sent home, but blithely accept lockdown atrocities.

386943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 2, #1131 of 1669 🔗

Preach, brother. The silence of the so-called ‘human rights’ lawyers in the last few months has been deafening.

386657 ogri, replying to ogri, 4, #1132 of 1669 🔗

Will the Davos people be sharing their wealth with the people who have been hit the hardest by the lockdown?

I don’t think so.

I would agree with a great reset so long as the billionaires and multimiĺlionaires forfeit their wealth.

386679 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to ogri, 5, #1133 of 1669 🔗

Will the Davos people be sharing their wealth…”? good question…
“Will Obama give up a multi million $ mansion 3 feet from the edge of an ocean, considering that he’s apparently terrified about how the oceans are rising?”
“Why do they call it ovaltine, when the jar is round & the mug is round?”
“If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?”
..so many questions, so little time! 🙂

386688 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1134 of 1669 🔗

🤣

386727 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1135 of 1669 🔗

Do bats eat cats? Do cats eat bats?

386814 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, #1136 of 1669 🔗

Does anything eat wasps? (I think there was an article or book with that title).

386829 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, -1, #1137 of 1669 🔗

“Will Trump recompense those he’s swindled?”

… so many questions, as you say. 🙂

386736 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to ogri, 1, #1138 of 1669 🔗

I’m no leveller – let them keep up to 10 million (including all assets) and redistribute the rest. Besides, I’ve got a lottery ticket.

386798 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1139 of 1669 🔗

Should add – used to be a capitalist until I repeatedly saw all those obscenely expensive yachts at various F1 venues. That’s just extracting the urine. The average Bond villain would regard some of them as grossly over the top.

I still believe in capitalism broadly, but there do need to be controls, checks and balances. We used to have them – anti-monopoly laws for example – but they seem to have been abandoned. And sadly the unfortunate socialists imagine that the owners of those yachts are on their side.

386824 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1140 of 1669 🔗

We also had things like grammar schools which enabled the poorest (at least, the clever ones) in society to have an education broadly similar to that of the richest.

386843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, #1141 of 1669 🔗

Not of the richest but certainly that of the middle class.

386663 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1142 of 1669 🔗

I wonder how many of our elderly in care homes would be so keen to have the jab if they were told one in three would die? How the media can claim its nothing to do with the ‘vaccine’ is frankly a downright lie!

CORONAVIRUS NEWS VACCINES
UK Nursing Home: 24 Residents (One Third) Died In 3 Weeks After Experimental MRNA COVID Injections comment image HAF January 29, 2021

by Brian Shilhavy
In what is becoming almost a daily report of massive nursing home deaths following injections of experimental mRNA COVID shots , a nursing home in the U.K. is reporting over one third of their residents have died after receiving the mRNA experimental COVID injections. comment image
We are now seeing a very predictable pattern as we are reporting all over the world where the elderly are dying at a very alarming rate following mass vaccinations of the experimental mRNA injections.
And in all of these cases, the local media is quoting local officials as saying that the “vaccines” have nothing to do with the deaths. They are also stating that deaths following the experimental mRNA injections are “expected.”
How can people keep believing this is true? This is now happening all over the world, in many locations, and we are just supposed to accept by faith that COVID outbreaks happened simultaneously with the mass vaccinations, but that there is no connection to the injections?

386828 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1143 of 1669 🔗

I’ve yet to see detailed evidence on this story – i.e. evidence that moves it into the realm of causation.

I use the same criteria as I do for the PCR+ 28-day definition of Covid deaths. Thus I’m agnostic on this one.

386664 John P, replying to John P, 9, #1144 of 1669 🔗

“plandemic”.

I know, I know that many of my fellow commenters believe that this was all planned. Well, I don’t believe that. And that doesn’t make me your enemy and that doesn’t make me wrong.

I just don’t agree with you. Okay.

There are influential journalists pushing this narrative. Notably Neil Clark and James Delingpole. I still read them and I still like both of them. It is also of note that Delingpole remains on good terms with both Toby Young and Laura Perrins both of whom have reservations about the “plandemic” narrative.

I think it’s understandable that people think that it was planned. Certainly globalist influencers such as the WEF are taking advantage of the situation to push their great reset agenda. But I don’t agree that this was planned in order to lay foundations for it’s implementation.

By the way, the phrase “conspiracy theory” is often used as a slur, but it need not be. If you are theorising that national leaders are conspiring with the WEF to implement their great reset then that is a theory about a conspiracy. What else can it be?

An it’s perfectly reasonable to theorise about what happened last year, what is happening now and what will happen in the future.

The problem with the “plandemic” narrative for me is that behind it is a very deep cynicism about the motives of people in positions of leadership and of people with money. I don’t think that our leaders are actively determined to destroy the world to please Claus Schwab and Bill Gates. I just don’t.

I think they are greatly mistaken in their approach to Covid and that lockdowns are a terrible mistake.

And not all leaders are pro-lockdown and not all rich people are evil and greedy.

386692 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John P, 7, #1145 of 1669 🔗

you have just described pretty much what until very recently used to be my world view too. I wish it still was. I hope that in the end that world view, and not my current one, will be proven to have been right all along.

386781 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JaneHarry, #1146 of 1669 🔗

Good luck with that one, Jane- as Alex Pope observed, it springs eternal in the human breast.

386700 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 11, #1147 of 1669 🔗

I agree with most of what you say, including where you say that our leaders are not destroying the world to please Bill Gates. However I don’t think their motives are good and I am indeed cynical – I think they are covering up mistakes they know they have made and some of them like the power they have now, and also are cowardly in the face of SAGE who seem to have gone rogue.

But we may never know.

I have respect for both points of view

386724 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 6, #1148 of 1669 🔗

I’m totally cynical about all our aordid UK bully boys, but I dis
believe in the sinister-plot theory. I think natural stupidity and sadism are ample explanations.

386735 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John P, 9, #1149 of 1669 🔗

Out of curiosity, what do you make of the undeniable fact that world leaders from Trudeau to Biden to Johnson to Ardern (at least) are deliberately repeating the “build back better” slogan? They’ve clearly all agreed to do so … why? What do they think it means, and what do they think repeating it will achieve? These are genuine questions because, like you, I’m not yet ready to believe that this phoney “pandemic” was planned.

386753 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mattghg, 3, #1150 of 1669 🔗

They copy eachother I think. Our lot for a start are probably not capable of much original thought. They like to be on trend and sound progressive and utopian. I think their politics probably align more than one might think.

386774 ▶▶ JamesM, replying to John P, 6, #1151 of 1669 🔗

I broadly agree. I think the term “convergence of opportunity” best summarizes what has happened. Having said that, I’ve no doubt that several influential members of SAGE are politically motivated and are putting a spin on “the science” to try and turn the country into an authoritarian nanny state. That amounts to a conspiracy in my view.

386820 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JamesM, 3, #1152 of 1669 🔗

IIRC at least one member of SAGE is a card-carrying member of the Communist Party.

386821 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JamesM, 2, #1153 of 1669 🔗

‘Follow the money’ and the ‘corruption of power’ motives are plain and simple enough to be going on with. The rest requires just group-think and cock-up.

Beyond that lies speculation and hobby-horses..

386775 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 6, #1154 of 1669 🔗

What do you mean “planned”?

It is human nature to manipulate & exploit to advance subjective interests. We all do this to a point some have greater ambitions than others, some have limits to how far they will go with it, whilst others don’t.

Do I think a James Bond villain created SARS-CoV 2 to take over the world? NO.

Do I think people who consider themselves superior to everyone else collaborated for mutual benefit & used the opportunity to advance their agenda? Abso-fuckling-lutely.

Conspiracy is just politics, want to know who’s doing it follow the money, money is power and a desire to dominate the direction of the entire planet is only found in psychopaths, anyone who is a multi-billionaire is all of the above. Hitler was an historical example these people exist, Genghis Khan another Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong Castro etc etc. They all used the same strategy to put them in power, selling collectivism.

The globalist pseudo-communists middle men like Schwab or Blair etc may believe its all for the common good, but its not their decision to make. This blind faith many people have in the people (neo-liberal globalists) who created the mess the entire planet is in and think they can be trusted to fix it are deluded, its denialism on a global scale.

I use communism/socialism as a term to criticise these people, because it is our species social nature to co-operate for mutual benefit and its this trait that is used to control us by unscrupulous exploiters. They want a global ‘china’, china is a pseudo-communist state, in effect one giant corporation dictated to by a few disciplined ceo’s. That’s the globalist model and equality aint its motive or outcome.

386780 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John P, #1155 of 1669 🔗

Wow, I never knew you thought these things – it isn’t like this is a weekly occurrence!

386792 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 6, #1156 of 1669 🔗

We don’t know if it was planned or not.
My belief is that certain individuals did plan it,but it’s immaterial anyway.
In the here and now it is obvious that there is a concerted effort by Governments across the world to use this crisis to extend their power and to restrict the freedoms of the populace.
Some of the greatest evils in the world have been perpetuated by people who have believed they are doing good.
Zero Carbon is such a scheme.

386811 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 1, #1157 of 1669 🔗

If we boast a high level of evidence for our assertions, then the ‘plandemic’ theory doesn’t reach the required bar.

I can’t be arsed with tenuous assertions when it is difficult enough to get over the basic facts contained in the numbers.

386812 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John P, #1158 of 1669 🔗

I doubt if you have watched Plandemic 1 or 2.

386837 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1159 of 1669 🔗

What I love about this site is that we can have a debate about this and different views can be expressed and considered.
It’s what censorship is erasing from the mainstream narrative and that’s very unhealthy. Proper debate allows for the pros and cons to be examined and things discussed and put into perspective that could otherwise be overlooked.
This is exactly what hasn’t been allowed to happen with the cost/benefit of fanatical mockdown policy.

386851 ▶▶ Nottheonly1, replying to John P, 3, #1160 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think that our leaders are actively determined to destroy the world to please Claus Schwab and Bill Gates.

It looks very much like they are not out to destroy the world – any more than it has already been destroyed – but the poor, the useless eaters, the deplorables, the dissenters, the domestic terrorists.
And it may have nothing to do with pleasing the likes of Schwab and Gates, but everything with having been told what will happen to them – in case they refuse to cooperate?

386666 Bella Donna, 13, #1161 of 1669 🔗

CORONAVIRUS NEWS VACCINES
UK Nursing Home: 24 Residents (One Third) Died In 3 Weeks After Experimental MRNA COVID Injections comment image HAF January 29, 2021

by Brian Shilhavy
In what is becoming almost a daily report of massive nursing home deaths following injections of experimental mRNA COVID shots , a nursing home in the U.K. is reporting over one third of their residents have died after receiving the mRNA experimental COVID injections. comment image
We are now seeing a very predictable pattern as we are reporting all over the world where the elderly are dying at a very alarming rate following mass vaccinations of the experimental mRNA injections.
And in all of these cases, the local media is quoting local officials as saying that the “vaccines” have nothing to do with the deaths. They are also stating that deaths following the experimental mRNA injections are “expected.”
How can people keep believing this is true? This is now happening all over the world, in many locations, and we are just supposed to accept by faith that COVID outbreaks happened simultaneously with the mass vaccinations, but that there is no connection to the injections?

386669 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1162 of 1669 🔗

What a shame LS that you deleted my posting not once but twice! Are you morphing into Facebook and Twitter?

386671 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1163 of 1669 🔗

What was the nature of the post?

386675 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #1164 of 1669 🔗

Asking because if we are to communicate on a constrained forum, we need at least to know what is forbidden.

386687 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Mark, 5, #1165 of 1669 🔗

It was about the care homes in Basingstoke and a third of the elderly dying after having the vaccine. I had commented I wonder how many of them would have taken the vaccine if they had been one one in three of them would die. It was from the website humansarefree.com.

386691 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1166 of 1669 🔗

Sounds a very fair point to me so why was it deleted?

386703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #1167 of 1669 🔗

Censorship is evil, that’s your answer.

386713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #1168 of 1669 🔗

Did you put in more than one link? If you did, the post automatically goes for moderation.

386725 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 2, #1169 of 1669 🔗

No I didn’t but it did show a photo of the care home with its name on a board, perhaps that was the trigger, LS didn’t want to be sued.

386716 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #1170 of 1669 🔗

They didn’t say, they just deleted it.

386698 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #1171 of 1669 🔗

Don’t worry the vaccines are safe Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine not linked to post-jab deaths, confirms EU medicines regulator after Norway reported fatalities We know this because the people that make them tell us they are.

386744 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1172 of 1669 🔗

There are senior US doctors who don’t think a vaccine is appropriate against relatively mild respiratory diseases

https://jdfor2020.com/2020/09/the-treatment-of-viral-diseases-has-the-truth-been-suppressed-for-decades/

I wouldn’t call her anti-vax, just an independent professional making her own judgement and I probably agree with her that if we have effective drugs against it, why bother with a costly vaccine?

This is not SARS-CoV-1 or MERS. If it was that fatal, the government would be saying ‘Don’t panic’, ‘nothing to worry about’, ‘all under control’.

386701 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bella Donna, #1173 of 1669 🔗

Did you add webpage links to the post? If so, there’s a limit – three I think – before a mod looks at it.

386768 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, #1174 of 1669 🔗

two is ok .. three is a referral

386707 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1175 of 1669 🔗

Elderly people in care homes die. It’s a fact of life. Their average life expectancy is I think about eighteen months. With or without Covid. And with or without vaccines.

I suppose the reason I feel quite defensive about this is that both of my parents (who are 78) have had the vaccine and they are both perfectly well.

My main concern regarding these vaccines is more over whether they actually work and whether there is actually any point in anyone under the age of 50 having one.

And as it is this government – who I do not trust – who are pushing it I am disinclined to have it myself. But I will not try to stop anyone else from having it.

386718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #1176 of 1669 🔗

This issue here isn’t whether the point made was accurate, but why it is regarded as unacceptable to mention it here.

Is it now official policy to distance the btl comment section as well as atl from the demonised “antivax” position?

Are the administrators now effectively conceding defeat to the modern falsehood that “misinformation” must be suppressed?

386745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, #1177 of 1669 🔗

Looks like the post is below.

386801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, #1178 of 1669 🔗

Thanks.

386805 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #1179 of 1669 🔗

The main problem is a ‘bottom line’ one.

It is impossible to establish a vaccine as ‘safe’ (in the practical, not the absolute sense) after nine months.

386808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, 4, #1180 of 1669 🔗

Listen I didn’t write the article I posted it to share information. If one in three in care homes are dying after having the vaccine then its information that should be shared whether you like it or don’t like it!

386835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1181 of 1669 🔗

I’m afraid to say the world is now monitored & regulated by Ai (algorithms) looks like your post was delayed because it was marked suspicious (spammer) simply because you had so many (4) url links.

Don’t think you or the content was being targeted.

386721 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1182 of 1669 🔗

Was it posted and deleted, or was it just held for review (as happens with posts containing more than two links)?

386738 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1183 of 1669 🔗

Looks like it might be below this thread. Is that the post you mean? If so, it does have several links in it.

386762 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1184 of 1669 🔗

Looks like it was held for approval due to the links then.

I’ve had that happen in similar circumstances because of the embedded links in the name of the article writer or similar, which appears to be what caught Bella Donna out here.

That hair trigger again.

386770 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Bella Donna, #1185 of 1669 🔗

I can now see your post below.

386773 ▶▶ mj, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1186 of 1669 🔗

just looked at the post.. your post had at least 4 links in it . it is something to watch out for when you copy and paste etc. if there were links in it they are easy to remove before you post by clicking on the link icon

and both your posts are there

386778 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bella Donna, #1187 of 1669 🔗

They haven’t been deleted.

386806 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jb12, #1188 of 1669 🔗

It was obviously held over before they posted it.

386832 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bella Donna, #1189 of 1669 🔗

Too many links?

386681 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 14, #1190 of 1669 🔗

News from La belle Francais ( although not there but in Tenerife).
Very large study made in Toulouse , lasting 6 months , shows natural immunity from infection after disease last at least 6 months. 95% of infected had antibodies, after 6 months this INCREASED to over 96%. Not even taking into account T-cell memories.
However for some completely unknown reson this is being reported as ‘over 85%’ and therefore not as good as Pfizer/Moderna vaccines so should still be vaccinated! Good news, idiotic reaction.
BUT the curfew is working but its effects are reducing. Quite how is not described, perhaps the zombies are getting clever? Anyway this news is put forward as the reason why over the weekend or early next week a full, strict lockdown is now looking almost certain.
Glad I’m not there. Here in sunny Tenerife where there are normally 6 million tourists per year, my wife and I feel like the only ones. Very nice as everywhere ,except the zoo for some unknown reason, appears to be open. Reduced to ‘level 2’ last week, which means you can now eat inside restaurants rather than on the sunny patios, so no difference in practice. Despite the stories of PCRs required for entry here and back to entry in France, we did not have one flying in, and currently good route back also without one. Not that we will be rushing back anytime soon.

386708 ▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, #1191 of 1669 🔗

Is there still outdoor masking in the Canaries?

386740 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Julian, 7, #1192 of 1669 🔗

Yes there is. It is the only negative aspect of our stay. We try to do it as little as possible, but walking in say the centre of Puerto de la Cruz is not something you would do without at least a ‘chin warmer’. In smaller villages and out in the country no masks are necessary. Restuarants turn a blind eye to walks to the table now. But everyone wears them in shops. I believe police strictly imposed this at the start, and Spanish police are not to be trifled with. However we have only seen one incident over 3 weeks of policing of this and that was on a main road on our first day and it might have been because the guy in question was using mobile whilst not on a pavement. No heavy policing that we read about before the trip.

386766 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 6, #1193 of 1669 🔗

Shame. I love the Canaries but outdoor muzzling would be a dealbreaker for me even if only sporadically enforced.

I will be amazed if many places there survive as there is such reliance on UK & Ireland tourism

386683 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 1, #1194 of 1669 🔗

Glitch in the matrix?

Zero deaths (within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test) reported today on https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

386694 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Dan L, 1, #1195 of 1669 🔗

yes, its reported as such on gov source for worldometer as well. Wrong coloured pill today?

386705 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Dan L, 4, #1196 of 1669 🔗

Death data delayed until later today, for unspecified reason.

386711 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Tenchy, #1197 of 1669 🔗

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

386715 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1198 of 1669 🔗

It’s got to pass through the truth control algorithm first.

386742 ▶▶▶ JamesM, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1199 of 1669 🔗

Perhaps they’re trying to find a few more deaths down the back of the sofa

386689 Jinks, 9, #1200 of 1669 🔗

https://youtu.be/C8fBJ_03-E4
The Cambridge Union debate is up on YT.

386737 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 18, #1201 of 1669 🔗

Excellent article by the NHS nurse on today’s update page. It doesn’t deny that there is a problem with COVID but that the hospital admission and fatality data are being inflated to some extent. This policy could badly backfire on the public health officials. People are already asking the question of why the UK fatality rate is so bad if the NHS is so wonderful.

386797 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JamesM, 11, #1202 of 1669 🔗

I would prefer it to rebound where it belongs – on the government.

They can’t have it both ways (well – they can amongst the dim, I suppose) – but they’re in a double bind:

  • If the death rate is as reported – then they have failed abysmally with their ‘measures’.
  • If the death rate is not as reported – then they have lied abysmally.
386866 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -6, #1203 of 1669 🔗

There is quite a lot you don’t know about the NHS and its management.

386902 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mayo, 4, #1204 of 1669 🔗

Thats the problem, to much corporate profitering requires lots of administration & useless managers.

386750 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1205 of 1669 🔗

How’s are those vaccines doing then?

The USA Adverse Reaction Website is updated every Friday

Deaths are now in 41st place (of the most common adverse reactions to the CV19 vaccine) reported in the USA with 232 deaths reported (Not all will necessarily be from the vaccine) and representing 2.37% of all adverse reactions (up from 1.55% last week).

I ran the same search for the flu vaccines and death is 0.33% of all adverse reactions reported for them

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Thus at present death is being reported as an adverse reaction in case of the Covid19 vaccines 7 times more frequently than in the case of the flu vaccines

386758 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #1206 of 1669 🔗

The other reactions don’t sound like a lot of fun either.

386800 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #1207 of 1669 🔗

morbidly fascinating dataset – thanks for link!

386839 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #1208 of 1669 🔗

6.2 million covid vaccinations carried out to date in the UK. Cannot find any similar data on related ADRs and deaths. Obviously hope they are minimal but I find it difficult to believe there have been no serious reactions in the UK, especially when reading the USA figures and considering the worrying stats from Norway (30 apparent vaccine-related deaths from just 45,000 vaccinations).

386751 Will, replying to Will, 14, #1209 of 1669 🔗

Quick question for any Swedish correspondents. Is Sweden getting its knickers in a twist over new variants of the virus or are they enjoying the herd immunity equivalent of a post coital cigarette?

386756 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 3, #1210 of 1669 🔗

and also are they having a mass vaccination program?

386764 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 1, #1211 of 1669 🔗

Doesn’t look like it.

386763 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Will, 10, #1212 of 1669 🔗

Glancing at enemy Twitter, it seems that the narrative around Sweden is soon going to switch to “Now all the Swedes have got long covid”—which AFAICT is as good as admitting that Sweden is at or close to herd immunity.

386772 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 11, #1213 of 1669 🔗

asymptomatic long covid?

386795 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 6, #1214 of 1669 🔗

The Swedes don’t strike me as a nation of layabouts and benefit cheats so I imagine there won’t be a lot of long covid.

387063 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to mattghg, 1, #1215 of 1669 🔗

They’ll always claim Sweden is a failure because Norway and Denmark did much better without any evidence whatsoever, no context and no considerations such as A. Finland also had no lockdown B. Norway had very limited lockdown C. What was the previous flu season like for those countries and D. What is the excess death totals for all those countries in 2020, if any? If 10,000 corona deaths in Sweden were removed from the all-cause mortality stats for the year, then 2020 for Sweden was their best ever year on record.

Then if you get them on that, they’ll turn around and say you can’t compare Sweden to the UK because people in Sweden live ‘miles apart from each other’ as if to imply they all live in wooden huts hunting bears. No you idiots, they live in towns and cities just like ours.

386769 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 7, #1216 of 1669 🔗

Last I looked they were blocking entry to anyone travelling from UK, and I think this was sparked by the variants

Other than that I’m not aware they have increased restrictions. It’s not quite as open as it was earlier but still light years away from UK and almost 100% guidance rather than law

386771 Will, replying to Will, 12, #1217 of 1669 🔗

I got a couple of thanks when I posted on FB last night, slightly in my cups, that I couldn’t believe nations were falling out over a vaccine. I informed everyone that I would be selflessly foregoing my “lifesaving” jab so a vulnerable person in the EU could have it first. Hopefully some of the “very stupid” yummy mummies will start a virtue signalling movement!!!

386898 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Will, 1, #1218 of 1669 🔗

Isn’t the Third World demanding free jabs from the West already?

386776 happychappy, replying to happychappy, 24, #1219 of 1669 🔗

Interesting to read Matthew Lynne’s comments in the Telegraph, ‘No jab, no job’, advocating for human rights laws to be overwritten to ensure companies are free from legal action. Shocking proposal. However, it is a one-sided argument. What Lynne fails to recognise is that it has to work both ways. Were the government to allow employers to implement compulsory jab requirements on their employees, then they surely also have a legal obligation to ensure there is no limit to compensation should the employee go on to suffer an Adverse Drug Reaction. Employees forced to take the vaccine, along with their families, should be entitled to full compensation in the event they are unable to work as a consequence of the jab. The current derisory ‘Vaccine Damage Payment’ of £120,000 of taxpayers money, should be scrapped and replaced with an unlimited liability clause. Despite Lynne’s assertions, companies who insist on this policy should be fully liable under their H&S obligations.

386783 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to happychappy, 4, #1220 of 1669 🔗

And its clear that it is a policy that would be thrown out by the ECHR, leaving any company that imposed it sued out of existence. The ECHR are not given to changing their minds.

386791 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1221 of 1669 🔗

I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

386803 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Will, 4, #1222 of 1669 🔗

Neither would I :-). But they do have a good track record of sticking to their principles, even if we in the UK have not necessarily liked all of them.

386785 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to happychappy, 1, #1223 of 1669 🔗

Seems like my prayer for someone to form a decent union has been answered.
https://www.workersofengland.co.uk/

386817 ▶▶ mj, replying to happychappy, 10, #1224 of 1669 🔗

if employers made it compulsory to be vaccinated , then it is likely that any reaction to a mandatory vaccination would be treated as an i njury, disease, illness or death caused during employment in the business and so would be covered by mandatory Employers Liability insurance ..

I cannot see the insurance industry wanting to carry this risk .

386827 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to mj, #1225 of 1669 🔗

That would, indeed, be my thinking.

386831 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mj, 1, #1226 of 1669 🔗

The insurance companies didn’t uphold their end of the bargain during at the beginning of the lockdown though, so why would they in this case?

386825 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to happychappy, #1227 of 1669 🔗

I was always under the impression human rights law mainly applied to government action against its citizens, i’ve never heard of private civil litigation between two parties being tried under human rights law, so i’m not so sure this finding protects employees from private employers. I’m not a lawyer so i could be way off.

386940 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to happychappy, 1, #1228 of 1669 🔗

They’d have to wait 5 years for a settlement of something less than that, just because they can open their eyes and grunt, so *could* work, and then told to sign on for Employment Support Allowance and Industrial Injury Disablement Benefit. They wouldn’t get any ESA until they’d spent their compensation, or if, by any chance their partner were able to pay to support the shell of the human they used to be, because ESA is now assessed against income of the entire adult household. And a sick relative/spouse is recognised as a dependent whenever it is necessary to avoid paying for anything.

386779 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1229 of 1669 🔗

In case any of you were thinking of coming to Canada (NOT!), this is what you would have to look forward to. FFS, what kind of shitty airport hotel costs $2000 for 3 days??? I guarantee you’re not getting Michelin star meals brought to your hotel room prison cell:

In the coming weeks the federal government will also introduce mandatory COVID-19 testing upon arrival at airports, and this will be on top of the pre-boarding requirement for a negative COVID-19 test, Mr. Trudeau said.

Following the second test, travellers will have to wait three days at a designated hotel for their test result. Mr. Trudeau said the hotel stays will cost travellers more than $2,000. If the traveller’s second test is negative, they will be able to complete their 14-day quarantine at home “under significantly increased surveillance and enforcement.”

However if travellers test positive they will have to complete their 14-day quarantine in a designated government facility to make sure they’re not carrying variants of “particular concern,” Mr. Trudeau said.

386793 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1230 of 1669 🔗

Designated government facility sounds sinister. Great opportunity for bribery no doubt!

386830 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1231 of 1669 🔗

They’re hotels that are now being commissioned by the government for quarantine purposes. The whole thing in sinister and I have no doubt there is plenty of corruption involved. My new fear is that they’ll do this for inter-provincial travel which, at the moment, is merely being “discouraged” — which I interpret as soon to be halted. My 20-year-old is in another province and we just booked her a flight back near the end of February but will get her out ASAP if circumstances warrant. There’s no f’ing way I’m paying the government $2,000 to imprison my daughter.

386895 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1232 of 1669 🔗

I should act now, Lisa.
And be damned to them.

386809 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1233 of 1669 🔗

I consider myself really fortunate to have been to Canada in the ’70s. Of course, Trudeau’s father was PM when I was there.

386833 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Biggles, 5, #1234 of 1669 🔗

Both China loving communists. Suffice it to say, I’m not a fan of our PM! I’ve had a wonderful life in this country but I no longer recognize it.

386928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 1, #1236 of 1669 🔗

He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. There’s lots of evidence of his pro-China stance.

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-pandering-to-the-panda-is-why-trudeaus-china-policy-has-failed

386883 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Biggles, 4, #1237 of 1669 🔗

Me too! Toronto was amazing, a city which worked. I escaped from London and couldn’t believe how wonderful it all seemed.

386935 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1238 of 1669 🔗

It was an amazing city and we lived in the heart of it until a few months ago. Like so many great cities, it’s now being destroyed.

386995 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to bluemoon, #1239 of 1669 🔗

I was in Toronto so long ago the CN Tower wasn’t there!

387146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Biggles, 1, #1240 of 1669 🔗

That WAS a long time ago!

386904 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1241 of 1669 🔗

Welcome to Canada.

386959 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 1, #1242 of 1669 🔗

And, sadly, you are indeed welcome to it.

386784 steve_w, 25, #1243 of 1669 🔗

another working week gone, another 5 QALYs lost

anybody who thinks lockdown will save more QALYs than it loses is a psychopath

386786 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1244 of 1669 🔗

Bars and restaurants open in Romania in order to welcome home TSG officers after their successful London Covid campaign

386994 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1245 of 1669 🔗

I’d like to give you more than one “like”, if I could – great post!

386789 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1246 of 1669 🔗

Hmmm. The Gov.uk dashboard used to give local stats by local authority but has suddenly changed to NHS trusts.

Thus what I’d bookmarked as Kirklees suddenly changed to Calderdale and Huddersfield Foundation Trust, giving an E/W area, rather than a N/S one.
It takes N. Kirklees out of the picture but now covers a much bigger area and population.

Another stats-fudging exercise so we can’t compare past and present?

387197 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Cheezilla, #1247 of 1669 🔗

yes they move the goals posts regularly to disable any sensible comparisons. Just like the ice maps they used to have showing the retreat of the icecaps, until it started to reverse, then suddenly they stopped showing them

386790 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 11, #1248 of 1669 🔗

https://www.workersofengland.co.uk/
I’ve signed up. Anyone else putting up with bullying mask enforcement from their employers, I recommend you all sign up. A strong union, is probably the quickest way to smash through some of the lunacy, at least with employers.

386802 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jinks, 1, #1249 of 1669 🔗

I would but I am self employed….

386807 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #1250 of 1669 🔗

If you’re mask exempt, and you’re being discriminated against, maybe they can help?

386818 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 5, #1251 of 1669 🔗

Socialism is where this started, i’m not against organisation to combat oppression & exploitation but beware its leaders, people like George Galloway who recently created a political party of similar name wanted everyone locked up indefinitely then expected tax payers to foot the bill. An oxymoron if ever i heard one.

I’m sure this group has good intentions just research its origin & leadership first!

386963 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, #1252 of 1669 🔗

Oh f.! We’re off on an irrelevant dozy rant again whilst the country is in the grip of a right-wing totalitarian coup!

No wonder said totalitarians are having a field-day.

387253 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1253 of 1669 🔗

I’m getting a feeling your in favour of socialism. I dunno why its just a hunch.

What do you think communism is if not totalitarian ?

386916 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jinks, #1254 of 1669 🔗

Unless they’re like the teachers’ unions. They’re pretty strong!

386813 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 8, #1255 of 1669 🔗

Good afternoon,

I presume that the Government must be working with Spotify to increase the number of people signing up for one of their premium accounts.

I only have the free account, and I just had the misfortune of enduring the latest Propoganda advert from Gilead’s media department – this time, a middle-aged woman in a hospital bed getting oxygen who says that her mum is in the floor above so you must stay at home .

Clearly targeting the young, cool types (sadly I’m neither!) who use it.

386874 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1256 of 1669 🔗

I’m thinking of going premium to get away from the government, it’s working!

386897 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1257 of 1669 🔗

Don’t Gilead make Remdesivir? Surely they want everyone out catching SARS, so they can be treated with this novel and completely ineffective “therapy” only to “die of covid-19” and be added to the stats which will increase the amount of Remdesivir being ordered?

386918 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1258 of 1669 🔗

Sorry for any confusion TheHandbag!

When I was referring to Gilead, I was talking about the Republic of Gilead from ‘A Handmaid’s Tale’

386920 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to SimonCook, 1, #1259 of 1669 🔗

Oh Lol! This is all getting too much for me. Still first laugh if the day!

386924 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1260 of 1669 🔗

Still.. what has it come to when either seems plausible!

386815 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1261 of 1669 🔗

The PURGE of white British males continues today on the BBC……dont listen to Radio 2 whatever you do its a glorified Cultural Marxist purge of all great pop music over 70 years…which was mostly created by MEN telling women they loved them and being spurned…….

Now we have the lovely Sara Cox doing showtime/musicals bullshit on a friday evening!!!!……

RIP ‘Rock and Roll’ as I remember it where people had TALENT and could actually play instruments!!!

I think I am living in a different country…and it has happened within a couple of years…..

386903 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1262 of 1669 🔗

Had to turn off Radio 2 today; can’t stand the music of musicals. What music are you into, Harry?

386913 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1263 of 1669 🔗

Surely the only people who like the music of musicals are in their 90s?

386946 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, #1264 of 1669 🔗

Not necessarily. But the ones who like the ‘music’ of the 80s to 00s are definitely in their dotage and probably deaf 🙂

386984 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 2, #1265 of 1669 🔗

pardon????

386905 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1266 of 1669 🔗

Cultural Marxist purge”

Oh dear! Not a good look.

386941 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #1267 of 1669 🔗

No accounting for taste I suppose, but I prefer it to your “self-serving denial of reality” look, on this issue.

Defund the BBC.

386957 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -6, #1268 of 1669 🔗

You’re now just rambling incoherently, Mark – like the political drunk on the street corner.

Again – not a good look 🙂

Radio 2 hardly ever crosses my ears – but you have to be high on some substance to perceive it as ‘Cultural Marxism”

… and despite it’s appalling News and Current Affairs (and some other irritations) , ‘defunding’ the BBC isn’t a great idea for those with a brain, a pair of ears and an interest in diversity.

387002 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1269 of 1669 🔗

You’re now just rambling incoherently, Mark – like the political drunk on the street corner.
Again – not a good look

Presumably you felt there was something useful achieved by that, but I’m not sure what it was. Are you really still under the impression that I’m the sensitive type who gets upset by such childish nonsense? Or does it just make you feel better?

Radio 2 hardly ever crosses my ears – but you have to be high on some substance to perceive it as ‘Cultural Marxism”
… and despite it’s appalling News and Current Affairs (and some other irritations) , ‘defunding’ the BBC isn’t a great idea for those with a brain, a pair of ears and an interest in diversity.

Cultural Marxism is a controversial and not very well defined term, but everyone honest knows what the op was referring to when he attached it to pc nonsense at the BBC.

As for diversity, no it’s not something I’m much concerned about in most areas – as often a bad thing as good. In the case of the BBC I think you are trying to pretend the BBC somehow adds to the diversity of political (broadly defined) opinion in our society, but it quite evidently does the opposite – imposing establishment pc dogmas upon society and systematically excluding and excoriating wrongthink.

386937 ▶▶ mj, replying to Luckyharry69, #1270 of 1669 🔗

today was “Radio 2 celebrates musicals ” so all the programmes today had playlists of songs from musicals and guests from musical theatre.
So it was a one off..

386974 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mj, 1, #1271 of 1669 🔗

that used to be their bread and butter. Stuff like Friday night is music night

386993 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1272 of 1669 🔗

I remember that. Listening to it when I was delirious with the chicken pox aged around 5, sixty years ago. Then there was ‘Time for Old Time’. I think that was music hall stuff.

🙂

387012 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill H, 1, #1273 of 1669 🔗

That’s why people like me listened to pirate radio till it was banned and replaced by Radio 1, whereupon I soon stopped listening to radio in my teens.

386816 Bella Donna, 4, #1274 of 1669 🔗

It looks like I’m staying at home. How does that work, can someone explain?

386822 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1275 of 1669 🔗

A good use of PCR test.Following the Ct values will follow the mortality trend


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250557v1
Covid-19 positive test cycle threshold trends predict covid-19 mortality in Rhode Island Between late March and June, mean daily Ct values rose linearly (R-squared=0.789) so that by early June, as the covid-19 pandemic ebbed in severity, all means reached the noninfectious (Ct >32) range. Most notably, this May-June trend for Cts was accompanied by a marked, steady decline in Rhode Island daily covid-19 mortality. Our results suggest that monitoring, and public reporting of mean population covid-19 test Cts over time is warranted to gauge the vacillations of covid-19 outbreak severity, including covid-19 mortality trends.

386849 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1276 of 1669 🔗

The CTs are a closely guarded secret in the UK.

386891 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1277 of 1669 🔗

PHE requirement is for 45 said a test kit manufacturer but PHE says “typically 40” in one government document but they are back pedalling since Oct and putting the responsibility onto the labs.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

Q – “I see in the instructions for your CareGene<image001.jpg> N-CoV RT-PCR kit that I found via the gov.uk website on the RT-PCR assessment page the instructions on your website say to run 45 cycles.

Is this a requirement from the UK Government (PHE, NHS, DHSC etc) or your own standards?”

A – “This is a PHE requirement rather than what is laid out by the manufacturer. “

386886 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1278 of 1669 🔗

That’s quite a convincing underlying correlation. Nearly 80% of variance explained is really quite remarkable.

The mainly ‘non-infectious’ range starts before Ct 32, however. – about 27 is the 50/50 point. 35 is ‘forget it’.

386823 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 73, #1279 of 1669 🔗

Have just seen that a graduate from my uni (York) has died of cancer. She was only in her 20s and was fobbed off by GPs on the phone during the first lockdown and told she had ‘long Covid’. She was diagnosed a month before she died by which point the cancer had become terminal. Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful.

386826 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 18, #1280 of 1669 🔗

Her mum has started a petition if anyone would like to sign, though it’s more focused on raising cancer awareness in young people.

386836 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1281 of 1669 🔗

Is there a link, Gromit?

386842 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #1282 of 1669 🔗
386852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1283 of 1669 🔗

Thanks. Done

386845 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to nocheesegromit, 26, #1284 of 1669 🔗

It doesn’t seem right to ‘like’ such a post but you know what I mean. I bumped into somebody else today who was having to attend her aunt’s funeral by Zoom, the aunt (fortunately older than her 20s, the case you cite is appalling) had also been fobbed off, not actually seen in person and told to take paracetomol until they finally took her to A&E and she was gone with cancer within 10 weeks from beginning to end. She might not have been saved but it would sure as hell have been a lot less painful, she might have had proper palliative care. Same person told me she has brother and sister in law working in NHS who are mad as hell about covid being put on death certs as an easy cop out when they haven’t had covid at all.

386867 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to disgruntled246, 24, #1285 of 1669 🔗

It doesn’t seem right to ‘like’ such a post but you know what I mean.

Yes, I get that a lot when I go to ‘like’ a post; it’s a really strange feeling, isn’t it? Fortunately, I’m sure most of know what we are upticking.

Anyway, both stories are a tragedy.

“having to attend her aunt’s funeral by Zoom”

“not actually seen in person and told to take paracetomol until they finally took her to A&E and she was gone with cancer within 10 weeks from beginning to end.”

“covid being put on death certs as an easy cop out when they haven’t had covid at all.”

There are no words to describe how disgusting all three of those statements are.

386880 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1286 of 1669 🔗

Yes and yet the person I talked to, who is a really lovely person, seemed OK with the restrictions – she is another of the cowed into submission I guess. Why do the media not say well hang on 100K deaths (although that number highly suspect IMHO), maybe that shows that lockdown doesn’t work, rather than oh my god we need to lockdown MORE.

387144 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1287 of 1669 🔗

I’m starting to dislike Zoom a lot now. I don’t mind it for one on one chats, in the same way one uses the telephone, but I don’t like the way it is now considered a viable alternative to any and every social meeting.

386873 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to disgruntled246, 6, #1288 of 1669 🔗

Interesting – and (genuinely as opposed to fake) tragic.

How many more?

386881 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to RickH, 3, #1289 of 1669 🔗

My twitter feed is full of them.

386860 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nocheesegromit, 17, #1290 of 1669 🔗

Yes, ths unfortunate young lady is now one of those ‘excess deaths’.

From now on it is going to be very difficult to compae excess mortality with previous – recent – time periods, because of:

Lack of cancer care/treatments/screening within the past year.

Inadequate care for victins of strokes/heart attacksetx ithin the past year.

The effects of social isolation and psychological stress will start leading to higher mortality.

387054 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 4, #1291 of 1669 🔗

in a way, you have to admire their evil genius – you set the scene by whipping up hysteria over the usual array of disease and death, by spinning a completely bizarre narrative about a deadly killer virus stalking the planet. Then, when you begin to carry out your actual genocide, it can be conveniently absorbed into the killer virus narrative that you have already set up. Nobody (who can’t be ignored or dealt with) will ever question it! In fact they will willingly run to the murderous embrace, compliant in their own destruction, even begging for it.

386925 ▶▶ mj, replying to nocheesegromit, 17, #1292 of 1669 🔗

look forward to seeing that being reported on BBC . but so long as another 90 year old has had another miserable year of life then it doesnt matter

this is disgusting. the doctor should be reported

.

387055 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mj, 4, #1293 of 1669 🔗

as if they really cared about 90 year olds. in fact, they are in the front line for genocide

386990 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1294 of 1669 🔗

I’m surprised this hasn’t been reported as “Covid causes cancer”.

387047 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to A. Contrarian, #1295 of 1669 🔗

yeh, watch this space

387088 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1296 of 1669 🔗

Worse. Cancer causes Covid.

387321 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to nocheesegromit, #1297 of 1669 🔗

agreed!

386840 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1298 of 1669 🔗

here is how to contact the Conservative central office.

I’ve told them Desmond Swayne has my support and told them Priti Patel must go.

The addition of the UAE to the “red naughty list” is not based on science but is obviously and blatantly a political decision taken to try and control the officially mandated narrative of “travel bad, do as you are told or else”.

Priti Patel (and all the cabinet, most MPs, SAGE members and advisors) is out of her depth and needs replaced for this recent idiocy.

Last time I sent something via their website it did end up on the person’s concerned desk and they did answer – it was a pathetic answer but it was an answer. Just awaiting a FOI answer then I’m really going to rub their nose in the shit.

And my MP answered:

Many thanks for your recent correspondence.

Please do not hesitate to contact me again on any issue where you feel I may be of assistance.

My reply:

Sir,

That was absolutely pathetic.

Regards

Fuck him.

386857 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1299 of 1669 🔗

Did you expect anything else?

386885 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 5, #1300 of 1669 🔗

Not really – same reply I’ve had from him twice now.

I’m tempted to join the local conservatives just to get him deselected – anyone in the Stone constituency want to do it?

387215 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #1301 of 1669 🔗

I looked into the possibility of what deselecting an MP involves, my understanding is that, if deselected, it simply means they cannot run for that seat under the banner of [Tory, Labour, whatever] in a forthcoming election… so at the mo, not sure how effective a mechanism it would be.

386848 swedenborg, 5, #1302 of 1669 🔗

How can anyone really refute this? And just change the word variant to vaccine resistant and we are doing exactly the same mistake.

https://twitter.com/LDjaparidze/status/1355141118380429313

“Virologists asked for transmission reduction to avoid the emergence of a worse variant. So when anyway the new more infectious (and maybe deadlier) variant ended up arriving from abroad their own country had tons of susceptible ready to get infected. Brillant advice!”

386850 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 26, #1303 of 1669 🔗

MHRA:

“People with pre-exisiting health conditions who have tested positive for Covid, and later died, died of Covid.

People who have been vaccinated, and later died, died of their pre-existing health conditions.”

386911 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1304 of 1669 🔗

You left off the addendum: MHRA stated that they would provide the data in the future.

386951 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1305 of 1669 🔗

Of course, how remiss of me. 😉

386858 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 14, #1306 of 1669 🔗

Can anyone on here explain why care home covid deaths have been going up since the start of the vaccination programme?

386868 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Portnadler, 7, #1307 of 1669 🔗

2+2=?

386872 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Portnadler, 10, #1308 of 1669 🔗

I have my opinion but asked in a FOI to the PHE, NHS and DHSC if they are researching the link.

386896 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1309 of 1669 🔗

Eagerly awaiting your results, as usual

386914 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1310 of 1669 🔗

Have you, or anyone else in here asked for the raw data on how many deaths there have been within 28 days of Covid-19 vaccination.

386952 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1311 of 1669 🔗

I asked this:

“Please supply the following information under the FOI legislation:

1 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the recent big rise in “positive test rates” using the RT-PCR test and it having any link to with the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes as it could just be a reaction to the body’s immune response to the recently received vaccination(s)? This is listed as a possibility in one of the test kit manufacturer’s detailed information sheets on the RT-PCR test.

1a – if so, please supply the research report.

2 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in the over 70s age group as this is the demographic currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

2a – if so, please supply the research report.

3 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in over 70s in hospitals and care homes as these are the locations currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

3a – if so, please supply the research report.

4 – Is a study being made into the very similar rise in “positive test rates” that have happened in the UK mirroring similar rises in Portugal and Israel after they commenced influenza and/or covid-19 vaccination programmes?

5 – Are records being kept of the date of a person’s covid-19 vaccination (1st and/or 2nd doses) and compared against the date of their subsequent death?

5a – if so please supply the information on number of days between vaccination and death and the number of persons for that time period.

6 – Deaths being “within 28 days of a positive test for covid-19/coronavirus” are reported as a “covid death”. Are there any plans to report someone who died within 28 days of receiving a vaccine as a “vaccine death”?

6a – if not why not? Same logic applies.

7 – Are records being kept of the date of a person’s covid-19 vaccination.

387043 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TheHandbag, #1312 of 1669 🔗

oh, those are just coincidences, don’t you know

386877 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Portnadler, 14, #1313 of 1669 🔗

The Government did say it would have a solution to the problem of elderly adult social care, another case of be careful what you wish for! I guess nobody expected this particular style of ‘final solution’ to the elderly adult social care problem.

386884 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Portnadler, 10, #1314 of 1669 🔗

I have a fair idea, but I’m reliably informed by the MHRA, the UK, and the Gibraltar Government ( https://twitter.com/GibraltarGov/status/1354465772115005445 ) that these things are purely coincidence.

btw. Gibraltar deaths now at 73 ( https://twitter.com/GibraltarGov/status/1355185568624373765/photo/1 ); they were at 20 on the 14th (the day the vax programme started).

Just sayin’!

386889 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Portnadler, 9, #1315 of 1669 🔗

I am guessing that everyone is so relieved that the vaccine has arrived, that they now feel that they can die happy.

386907 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Portnadler, 4, #1316 of 1669 🔗

Is that a rhetorical question?

386865 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #1317 of 1669 🔗

Covid figures dropping.
IT’S HERD IMMUNITY, STUPID!!!!

386894 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1318 of 1669 🔗

If only the scientific advisors would admit that. However we know they’ll just give the entirely predictable response “this proves that the lockdown is working”. My reply to them is “Arseholes”.

386932 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Fingerache Philip, -5, #1319 of 1669 🔗

I thought that was a possibility a week or so back but I’m less sure now.

386939 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1320 of 1669 🔗

Looking at the daily update it shows a figure of zero for todays deaths.
Expect some statistical shenanigans in the near future.
Having said that I do have confidence in the ONS figures

386953 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1321 of 1669 🔗

They’re still inventing the numbers.

387038 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1322 of 1669 🔗

They’ve done this before. The deaths are stopped due to ‘spreadsheet error’ or some nonsense, then the following day or two the deaths will be sky high, cue more press conferences and clampdowns.

386869 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 43, #1323 of 1669 🔗

The West Country TV news has just reported that coach tour companies are taking a lot of bookings for west country coach tour holidays later this year. Apparently people are having their vaccine and then consider themselves free and are booking holidays. I think they said that one couple had had their vaccination and had then gone home and booked 5 coach tours!
I hope the Government realises the public expectation that this vaccine has generated? Personally i am very dubious but as a lockdown sceptic I can only think that this level of pressure on the Government can only be a good thing.

386890 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #1324 of 1669 🔗

Vaccine Macht Frei. The government put that message out so strongly earlier that most of the gullible will believe it. When they are told otherwise I expect the whole edifice to crumble.

386906 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #1325 of 1669 🔗

The government has repeatedly and clearly stated that the vaccinated have to abide by all the rules.

386909 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #1326 of 1669 🔗

True, but most of the public seems to have a different impression.

386971 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 5, #1327 of 1669 🔗

Most of the public apparently believe that seven percent or more of the population have died of Covid 19. Some even believe that more than fifty percent have died of the disease.

387006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1328 of 1669 🔗

quite. The government don’t understand the effect of their own propaganda. yes, you say they have said that the vaccinated must follow da rulz – but they have also said vaccination is our only way out of this. Which statement do you think that people take more notice of?

387033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #1329 of 1669 🔗

I suspect the people who believe the coronavirus is the Black Death madness pay no more attention than to hear the headlines/soundbites and the emotional tone.

387040 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1330 of 1669 🔗

sorry to be a doom-monger, but I don’t pin too much hope on the gullible waking up and rising up. i don’t think they ever will: even as they die from the poison that is ”vaccinated’ into them, or from the cutting away of the economic infrasctructure that supports their existence…. they will continue to fall for the propaganda even as it chokes the last breath out of them. I honestly don’t know what the way out of this is, I can only take some small hope from the fact that nothing lasts forever.

387137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1331 of 1669 🔗

My hope is that our politicians and opinion formers eventually realise they’ve created a world where they themselves can’t do things like go to the Royal Opera, Glyndebourne, Ascot, Wimbledon etc; can’t have a big society wedding or funeral, can’t even go to their children’s school play or concert. They can break the rules in private and get away with it, probably, but after a while (a couple of years, perhaps) they may tire of the grey, bleak world they have created.

387016 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, 8, #1332 of 1669 🔗

I agree.Talking to a lot of people in the course of my work and they all seem to believe the ‘vaccine’ will change things.
What happens when it doesn’t will be interesting

386910 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1333 of 1669 🔗

But aren’t coach holidays a sort of dystopian hell anyway? #nochangethere

386968 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1334 of 1669 🔗

that’s right we’ve been slaving away publishing graphs, getting alternative views, Great Barrington Declaration etc. All we needed to do was post a few ads for a coach holiday

387001 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1335 of 1669 🔗

Yeah, but it is the dystopian choice of those who go on these tours.

386919 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #1336 of 1669 🔗

When this all goes horribly wrong re : the vaccine, then maybe a lot a more wake up- if they are not too comatosed already. Firstly, when they realise that they can still actually catch and pass on the virus regardless of vaccine and so life will not be normal despite it and secondly when either they, or someone they know has an adverse reaction. The latter will most certainly happen to quite a few and indeed it already is to many.

386933 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1337 of 1669 🔗

Ohh what a good post. Thanks.

386966 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1338 of 1669 🔗

There were several interviews on BBC radio 4 last week and everyone was like thank God it’s over let’s go on holiday. The thing is look at the numbers of people being vaccinated. If they are disappointed Lockdown sceptics will be overwhelmed with new converts.
We don’t need to argue anymore. Just sit back and wait for the inevitable.

387028 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1339 of 1669 🔗

I wouldn’t bank on that. some new lies will be spun about new mutant ninja strains, – or about people like us who are refusing to get vaccinated (apparently it’s no longer sufficient to just get yourself vaccinated; EVERYONE needs to be vaccinated for it to work)

387134 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1340 of 1669 🔗

Probably true, but I think as time goes by the ranks of the disgruntled grow ever bigger. I was quite surprised at how many people in my county had joined the Great Reopening group on Telegram. About 600 or so, I was expecting about two dozen.

386986 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1341 of 1669 🔗

These people are a bit dim, given that Whitty/Vallance (not sure which one has said what any more, or indeed even which one is which at times or whether it even matters any more) have clearly stated that the vaccine will not mean an end to restrictions or a return to normal. But nevertheless it will work hugely in our favour when it finally dawns on them that they have been Lied To.

386992 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1342 of 1669 🔗

Whitty should refer back to what he said in May, that only about 1% will be affected

387029 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1343 of 1669 🔗

And when all the coach and cruise tours are cancelled, will these people rise up and storm the gates of Westminster? Nope, they’ll say “ah well there is always next year” and turn on Strictly, Bake Off or some other dreadful show.

386871 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1344 of 1669 🔗

I do hope tomorrows update addresses the vaccine wars. i know we may not all be dead keen to get vaccinated, but the behaviour of the EU is outrageous – threatening to seize corporate assets and closing the NI border – and is surely a direct effect of the lockdown madness.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55864442

386901 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1345 of 1669 🔗

That’s the European Union.

386927 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to redbirdpete, 7, #1346 of 1669 🔗

Hopefully remainers will now see a little bit of of the reason why those of us with even a slight knowledge of the inner workings of the EU wanted out.

387023 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1347 of 1669 🔗

The Vaccine Wars. Sounds like a low budget direct to TV sci-fi movie…

386875 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1348 of 1669 🔗

I just got sent this video link of a purported hot mic incident, is it genuine?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JUbIG17OA4er/

BIDEN’S WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS ADMIT COVID WAS FAKE ON A HOT MIC

386879 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1349 of 1669 🔗

They don’t actually admit it is fake just the same as flu on fatalities.

386887 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1350 of 1669 🔗

It also says “Trump press briefing” on the video and is apparently from last April so why are we blaming Biden here?

386893 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A Heretic, #1351 of 1669 🔗

I know it’s weird I just cut and pasted the message.

386899 ▶▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1352 of 1669 🔗

We’ve all been able see the numbers since it went rogue in Italy so it’s impossible that our glorious leaders and their “science” people aren’t aware of them. The question has always been why they choose to ignore reality.

386960 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1353 of 1669 🔗

also right at the end there is a small box that says Vice President Mike Pence visits GE

386888 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1354 of 1669 🔗

I don’t trust anything on video now CGi can fake almost anything.

This clip has been circling for months, you can’t even see faces to see if they’re talking.

386926 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1355 of 1669 🔗

Looking on a small phone so it was hard to make out which is why I asked.

387022 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1356 of 1669 🔗

They don’t say it was fake and this was recorded last year. But they are talking like basement dwelling conspiracy theorists I mean covid deniers I mean lockdown sceptics… anyway, we HAVE to assume many in power (politicians, doctors etc) know about the true IFR of covid. They can’t ALL be that incompetent given the mountains of data available globally now. So as Ivor Cummins would say: Why are they doing this? Send your answers on a postcard to the Taj Mahal casino.

387216 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1357 of 1669 🔗

I saw this a long time ago and do believe it is genuine. It was under Trump but the press corps here I think were ‘lefties’ and we know Fauci lied..

386892 Jo, replying to Jo, 11, #1358 of 1669 🔗

Two of my friends, a couple, who had Covid a few weeks ago (not terribly ill, recovered well) have both just had the vaccine. One late 40s, other mid 50s, presumably because they work with children. It will be an interesting part of the phase III of the trials of both Pfizer and AstroZ to see if they succumb to ADE in the future. (In fairness, the younger one often takes part in research for drugs and was had volunteered for phase II of AZ – so now she is just doing phase III without the payment.)

386908 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo, 13, #1359 of 1669 🔗

Big, big queues at local racecourse vax centre today – people are nuts

387011 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to CGL, 3, #1360 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think it’s nuts to take up the offer of protection from something that you believe may well end your life. Whether that belief is ill-founded or not is a different question. I might well do it myself if I were pushing 80.

387032 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1361 of 1669 🔗

My mum is 77 and is not very well at the moment – not covid related – but she doesn’t want the vax because she had a really awful time with the flu vax a couple of years ago. In her current condition, she might be frail enough to be severely affected by the symptoms brought on by the covid vax, so I wouldn’t have thought it was a good idea, even if she did want to take it.

The cars that were on the photo I’ve seen were not being driven by 80 year olds I wouldn’t have thought.
I agree – if you believe that your chances of dying of the virus are greater than dying of the virus, then it would make sense to choose the least risk option.
For the most vulnerable, this may be the right choice, who knows.

However, we don’t know all the risks of the vaccine because it hasn’t been fully tested, but we do now know that the highest risk of dying of the virus is a little over 95%, even for the most vulnerable.
If you believe the virus will end your life, it is probably because you have been completely taken over by the fear that has been deliberately pedalled, and you can no longer think straight.

386900 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1362 of 1669 🔗

The quickest way to slow the pandemic.Drop Ct value in the PCR.

https://twitter.com/mseszti/status/1355193803716620293/photo/1

 Kansas data looks better since 7th of January, they have changed the CT from 42 to 35.. see the pic below and the link

386936 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1363 of 1669 🔗

Thanks, swedenborg.

they have changed the CT from 42 to 35

So they have gone from fiddling the numbers ‘big-time’ to fiddling the numbers ‘big-time’. Looks familiar… UK numbers.

387009 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1364 of 1669 🔗

35 is still way too high.

387086 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #1365 of 1669 🔗

Yes.28-30 probaly the best. Deaths and hospitalizations with C-19 statistics better than cases at least in the first peak but in this second peak the masstesting with these Ct values will just feed into hospitalization/death figures make them also less reliable than the first peak but still better than pure “cases” with these Ct values. Also enormous fluctuation per day how many processed makes “cases” difficult to judge.

386921 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #1366 of 1669 🔗

Not sure who first posted this link to a Dr Lee Merritt interview, but thank you!! This had a bigger impact on me than anything I have seen for quite a while. Even for those reject the “grand plan” explanation, I would recommend it as food for thought….

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=469707364036720&id=100029923818631&_rdr

386967 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ken Gardner, 6, #1367 of 1669 🔗

Me too! Made the most sense of anything I’ve heard in ages. No “Young-Girl” there.

But to take her analogy a step further, isn’t this whole COVID-19 the end game from biowarfare? Because if you think about it, flu vaccines are made miles away with barely any oversight and quality control, and so if you snuck (not mRNA because of the temperature thing but), just old fashioned Coronavirus particles into them, you could then set people up to have a the enhanced autoimmune reaction to which she referred, (a la Dengvaxxia), and this is what we’ve seen just happening before our eyes this last year?

Or what if in the process of attenuating the annual flu, (I believe they pass it through animals multiple times to attenuate it), for the 2019 flu virus, they accidentally introduced the new covid-19, then shipped the broth all over the world, where it found its way into flu vaccines?

And this cytokine storm is just enhanced autoimmune reaction? Happening now…

Which is why the AZ vaccine’s efficacity will be so poor, and the Germans want no part of it for the under 65. It’ll wipe out the elderly. From, if I recall correctly, “Pulmonary Immunopathy”, to coin a phrase.

I’m sure there’s holes in that idea, filled with my ignorance of vaccine manufacturing processes, (to which scant reference is made online), but what if the psy-ops is just an unexpected dividend, and we’ve effectively just handed enemies of democracy a playbook for how to make us wage war on ourselves. I mean in what world does a normal person ever prioritise the elderly over the young?

These lockdowns have been an act of spectacular self-immolation, but the enemies within, in more ways than one.

Just a thought…

386991 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1368 of 1669 🔗

Mmm, interesting points. I’m struggling with this, and need to reflect further….

387133 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1369 of 1669 🔗

I was asking, last May, if those severely affected by covid might have received the flu vax. Still wondering.

386922 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 10, #1370 of 1669 🔗

Excellent article supporting the need for Lockdown Scepticism – reminds me why I am in the LS camp – beginning to think that I had this wrong over the last week.

https://thecritic.co.uk/lockdown-sceptics-are-societys-gadflies/

386958 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1371 of 1669 🔗

Good evening Ozzie,

Thank you for posting the link.

I think it’s very healthy to consider one’s position from time to time. Whenever I sometimes feel down or perhaps waver a little in my views, I tend to look at the balance sheet of people on both sides of the debate both in regards well-known people such as experts, scientists etc… but also friends and people I know.

Overwhelmingly, I find that those that have swallowed the narrative, have dubious motives or the opportunity for personal gain, and when it comes to people I know personally are too trusting of authority, lack critical thinking, are financially very comfortable or are I’m afraid to say quite shallow.

I would genuinely worry that my position was wrong when the people whose opinions I always respect normally were different from mine. So far, it has been the opposite and I think, whilst it’s not a fool-proof method! is a decent rule of thumb.

Best regards

Simon

387175 ▶▶▶ Draefend, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1372 of 1669 🔗

I agree with all of this; however, I have found the isolation amongst my peers rather staggering. In all other aspects, I am still treated exactly the same, except for the rather trivial aspect of the curtailment of all the things that I enjoy.

I am incredibly social, I love being in a crowd; it’s my thing. My friends, who I presumed were the same as I, have accepted incarceration without question.

This bothers me.

386978 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1373 of 1669 🔗

Thank you Ozzie – a really good article. The Critic has some good ones.
I am proud to be a gadfly!!

387049 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CGL, 1, #1374 of 1669 🔗

Horses, however, don’t need one. Any horse keeper, or horse, would rejoice at the total extinction of the horse fly. Expertae credite : if it can’t get horse, it is perfectly happy to guzzle human blood.
If Socrates was happy to be described as a gadfly, he must have hated horses.

387070 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1376 of 1669 🔗

Given the unrelenting onslaught by the government, its agencies and the MSM it is not surprising you question whether you are right or not. I often do myself and I go over and over what I know and yet I still come back to the conclusion this has been a massive over-reaction which has never been seen before.

386930 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 36, #1377 of 1669 🔗

Great to hear from Carl Heneghan on JHB this morning. If the hysteria passes he’ll surely be a national hero.

387031 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TimeIsNow, 3, #1378 of 1669 🔗

WHEN, please.

386931 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1379 of 1669 🔗

I’ve commented on this before but it’s an odd trend that the peak for positive tests, peak hospitalisations & peak deaths are now occurring within less than 2 weeks. It used to be about 4 weeks. I suspect it mainly driven by existing, end of life hospital patients getting tested positive, moving from the ‘green’ ward to the ‘red’ ward & dying, as they were going to anyway.

386938 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NickR, 3, #1380 of 1669 🔗

Nice deduction – and almost certainly correct.

387059 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to NickR, 4, #1381 of 1669 🔗

I independently came to the same conclusion a few days ago looking at zoe symptomatic +ve peak vs hospital deaths peak

387112 ▶▶ Will, replying to NickR, #1382 of 1669 🔗

Or the figures are being cooked to make lockdown look like a success….

386944 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1383 of 1669 🔗

I saw some heated discussion below about whether there has/has not been a 2nd wave.
If you’re in the sea & you get hit by a 1st wave & you stay in the sea you may get hit by the 2nd wave. The chances for everyone of being hit by each subsequent wave is the same. With the rona, if you get hit by the 1st wave you’re effectively out of the game, so it isn’t really a 2nd wave, just the same wave going around mopping up people until they’re all out of the game, overwhelmingly because their immune system is able to cope with the wave as it hits them.

386949 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to NickR, 1, #1384 of 1669 🔗

The undertow, to extend the analogy?

386955 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1385 of 1669 🔗

Matthew Arnold may be of help.

387027 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #1386 of 1669 🔗

The Sea of Faith doesn’t appear to be retreating among the zombies.
To quote another poet, ‘None shall break ranks, though nations trek from progress.’

387110 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, #1387 of 1669 🔗

Go, go, go, said the bird; human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.

387120 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1388 of 1669 🔗

If he was musing on Dover Beach at night nowadays, he might well get knocked over by a rapidly beached dinghy.

387126 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, 1, #1389 of 1669 🔗

The second wave was actually more of a ripple. The casedemic made it look much more serious.

386945 Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1390 of 1669 🔗

The Startling Truth about Covid-19 and Vitamin D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pNyLLRQSTc

Vernon Coleman

386954 swedenborg, 6, #1391 of 1669 🔗

US.It has never been safer to be a child(0-17) in the US as regards respiratory virus. One death of flu 2020-2021(usually 200-250) and 169  deaths of C-19 in a population of 45 millions children.

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1355192193359769601/photo/1

386956 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #1392 of 1669 🔗

I don’t watch the news or briefings but have they’ve stated how many hours you have to stay at home before you’ve saved one life??

Would be good to work it out pro rata for my entire life, something to stick on the CV. 700k lives saved during my 25 years + at home. I never realised I was so altruistic.

386979 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Hubes, 1, #1393 of 1669 🔗

It’s exponential, so whatever number you worked out multiply by infinity.

387036 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1394 of 1669 🔗

It’s exponential

It’s got Electrolytes…

387005 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Hubes, 4, #1395 of 1669 🔗

Depends why you leave the house when you finally do. If for a govt approved reason, you’re guaranteed not to pass it on. If you walk round the block twice in one day – that’s it, you’re a murderer.

386969 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #1396 of 1669 🔗

Just finished catching up on the Cambridge Union debate (was busy last night defying lockdown). Good courteous debate by all involved, though obviously I’m utterly partisan and didn’t like a lot of the points made by the other side. Toby Young did us proud, I think. And the side of truth, justice and decency won the vote, so that’s great.

One point that struck me was LibDem MP Layla Moran’s false claim to be liberal, and the way she explained how she reconciled this with supporting the profoundly illiberal lockdown. The way she rationalised it is quite characteristic of the way liberalism in the English (“classical liberal”) sense has been warped towards the more authoritarian American leftist meaning, in modern political practice.

What is freedom and liberty to those over 100,000 people who have so far died in this pandemic in this country alone? Where is their freedom? …Now I am a liberal, but my liberalism is not just about my own personal freeedom, but it’s also a balance, and it’s a balance between that freedom, but also the collective responsibility that we all owe to each other .”

Her excuse was the nowadays common one of seeking to equate freedom from restraint with freedom from incapacity. Liberalism proper attaches critical importance to the former and says nothing about the latter, authoritarian paternalism attaches importance to the latter and largely disregards the former.

When the latter is allowed to override (or is “balanced against”) the former, the result is no longer liberal, but rather it is merely a kind of authoritarian paternalism that counts liberty as one of numerous bonuses that a person can have in his life. A true liberal regards liberty as a fundamental right that can only be balanced against similarly fundamental rights of others. And there is no fundamental right, in this sense, to medical treatment or to being healthy. These are assets that in a fortunate society we can decree to be entitlements but which fundamentally are not within our gift.

Sir Graham Brady did correctly pull her up on this at the end.

386973 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #1397 of 1669 🔗

“those over 100,000 people who have so far died in this pandemic in this country alone”

And I should add that Moran should be ashamed of herself for using this false, propaganda number. She must know that this is just a number based on people testing positive for the virus, and not in any honest sense a number of people even suffering from covid (the disease) let alone dying of it.

387018 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Mark, 4, #1398 of 1669 🔗

Also, is this a matter of principle, or a question of numbers? Would her argument for collective responsibility be the same if the number was smaller? What if only 100 people died? 50? 20?

387025 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Alice, 3, #1399 of 1669 🔗

Clearly if there is any principle in her position it is utilitarianism, not liberalism.

387051 ▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Alice, 7, #1400 of 1669 🔗

Quite. The mark of the true lockdowner is the question “Is not one surplus death one death too many????!!!”
Yes, they would lockdown the entire nation for a year to save one overweight middle aged man like me, so there is no reasoning with them.

386989 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #1401 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think there are many people active in the world of politics who are liberal in the sense you describe. And very few who are conservative.

387019 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 7, #1402 of 1669 🔗

Classical liberalism pretty much died out in this country during the C20th, replaced by various kinds of authoritarian paternalism of the kind displayed by Moran.

Generally, the “more liberal” ones are LibDems or “Conservatives” who attach relatively high values to the privilege of liberty within their authoritarian paternalist structure, and the “less liberal” ones are the ones who attach a lower value to it, often socialists. But yes, as you say, we have very few true liberals these days, hence the near absence of resistance to lockdown.

387034 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, 4, #1403 of 1669 🔗

Well said. I couldn’t have put it better myself.

387117 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 3, #1404 of 1669 🔗

I had to abandon the debate seconds into Moran’s contribution. Absolutely nauseating.

386970 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #1405 of 1669 🔗

Just had a FOI back from the DHSC about CT cycles to be used in RT-PCR tests.

This tallies up with their revised document from October 2020 which they failed to give the test kit manufacturers.

“While the threshold maximum of many PCR tests is 40 cycles, it is for the test manufacturer to determine whether more than 40 cycles is appropriate for their test. Determination of the absolute number of cycles is for the manufacturer to define as part of their evidence for CE approval and not

for PHE or Government. The guidance cited specifically states a typical RT-PCR will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles. It does not state that it must have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles. Please note that the document cited is guidance only, and is not proscriptive.”

I did tell the test kit manufacturer I was in contact with that the government were preparing to throw them under the bus and they did listen.

Going to forward this FOI to them to add to their grievances against PHE.

386987 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1406 of 1669 🔗

Excellent – so it’s not even consistent! And on this we base our mad policies.

387109 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1407 of 1669 🔗

Wow. Egregious bastards!

386972 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 17, #1408 of 1669 🔗

Here’s a Friday discussion for you. Let’s try and think optimistically for a short while. We all need some hope right now! How do you think this nightmare could possibly end?

A) Domino effect – One country after another abandons lockdowns and shifts focus to reopening, with tests being scaled back (or CT values of PCR tests reduced)

B) Legal challenges – Increasing number of cases are brought to court to challenge the legality of lockdowns and/or reliability of PCR tests.

C) People power – Mass protests, reopening of business, mass-disobedience or even a quiet revolution where people quietly just go back to living their lives as normally as possible.

D) Vaccine success – The vaccines actually work, deaths reducing to very low numbers, everything happy to live with risks

E) Herd immunity – Mixture of exposure and vaccination, resulting in the ‘cases’ and deaths disappearing

F) Another possibility – please share

G) The nightmare will never end!

Let me know your thoughts…

386975 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tommo, 1, #1409 of 1669 🔗

I’m going for all of the above.

386977 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tommo, 1, #1410 of 1669 🔗

Mix of A, B and C my optimist side says.

Probably G though my pessimist side says.

386981 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tommo, 15, #1411 of 1669 🔗

I genuinely see it all falling away in a matter of weeks. Once spring arrives, that is that imho

387094 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1412 of 1669 🔗

I hope you’re right!

387115 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1413 of 1669 🔗

I hope you’re right, but that’s what I thought last Easter!

386983 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tommo, 12, #1414 of 1669 🔗

Every act of non-compliance is a victory. If enough people do not not comply, the madness will be ended.

Ignore the rules.

387245 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1415 of 1669 🔗

I totally agree with you, it’s just so bloody hard sometimes I work in health and social care, everyone in work is ‘doubling down’ – I can’t go into too much detail as to where I work and so on…it’s hard…a run in with the bus driver on the way in to work, now in an office on my on own…..I’m not going to give up though
All of you help keep me sane…we must keep going

386988 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Tommo, 8, #1416 of 1669 🔗

It took five years to leave the EU, post the 2016 Referendum.
We’re in for the long haul.

386998 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tommo, 1, #1417 of 1669 🔗

A or C (quietly in Britain of course, as is our way). The govt won’t allow D or E because there will always be the “just in case” measures needed because of new variants. Can’t see B happening in any meaningful way.

387004 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Tommo, 8, #1418 of 1669 🔗

Option F:

It will end with fine weather in the spring. Respiratory illnesses occur mainly in winter. Just like last summer, cases will drop, deaths will disappear and the Great Unwashed will throng to the beaches.

The lockdown will be like parking restrictions: annoying but liveable with and easy to get round if you make the effort.

And the scientists will carry on their prophecies of doom, the BBC will megaphone its warnings and everyone else will get on with life.

387021 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Portnadler, 13, #1419 of 1669 🔗

Give the Beeb a few months and it will be bravely denouncing the follies of lockdown.

387249 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Portnadler, #1420 of 1669 🔗

I am so lo at the moment, full of gin and lashings of despair, but I really like your thinking. Thank you Portnadler

387008 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Tommo, 2, #1421 of 1669 🔗

F or an addition to D:
Rollout of effective treatments

387044 ▶▶ Colin, replying to Tommo, #1422 of 1669 🔗

A & B we should be so lucky…
C looking unlikely still.
Combination ofD & E most likely outcome.
Thanks for setting these out BTW, good idea.

387052 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Tommo, 4, #1423 of 1669 🔗

Overall deaths Uk & World wide are not off the scale compared to previous years , this is the only FACT anyone needs to know !!

387061 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Tommo, 6, #1424 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think people have paid attention to the G7 conference in Cornwall 11-13 June. The country has to be open for then or it will be cancelled, cue egg on face. That means the lifting of restrictions is calibrated in monthly instalments to that, despite all the bullshit? The grave, ‘well we’ll have to be very careful’ stuff is theatre unless they seriously foresee a locked down nation while Merkel is happily rolling up her pantsuit teousers for a paddle at Carbis Bay.

387078 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1425 of 1669 🔗

Nah, it just means that Cornwall has to be open.

387089 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suey, #1426 of 1669 🔗

Tiers!

387076 ▶▶ Draefend, replying to Tommo, 2, #1427 of 1669 🔗

I so want it to be C, I really do believe in people and frankly a lot of them have bloody well let me down in the last year or so.

387081 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tommo, 4, #1428 of 1669 🔗

a mixture of A and E leading to hearing lots of conversations next Christmas that start with “of course I never really supported the lockdown”.
Anyway Boris said how it will end-with a whimper not a bang. In six months they’ll be a lot of angry discussion as to how it ended

387095 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Tommo, 6, #1429 of 1669 🔗

All this waiting for the next step drives me insane. Just bring on the fake alien invasion or something, meteor strike perhaps? Every morning I wake up from a lovely, maskless, zombie free dream and open my eyes to the NIGHTMARE that is our life, unable to escape back into my dream.

387111 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tommo, 1, #1430 of 1669 🔗

Another possibility (F) is rolling annual lockdowns in winter, to ‘save the NHS’ or somesuch, with lesser restrictions in summer.

I think though the more likely options are a mixture of A and B. C will play a part, but mainly in just the apathy/boredom bit rather than actual uprisings, especially in the UK. Remember also that a lot of politicians and influential celebrities (luvvies, sports people, musicians etc) thrive on the roar of the crowd and eventually will start to miss big social occasions.

387204 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tommo, 1, #1431 of 1669 🔗

Perhaps optimistic but I also see a mixture of A, B, and C. Newspapers & things that come through the door are chock full of adverts for concerts, shows, & the like for later this year – lots of (literally) starving artists hungry to do what they do best, theatres cannot put on shows with only 50-60% seat occupancy…

Going into speculation mode: wouldn’t mind a bit of (F.) Perhaps someone pulls some kind of spectacular double-cross, like an episode of The Sopranos or something.. & then it all goes haywire; people go on trial, some end up disappearing in the woods, or whatever….! 🙂

387212 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tommo, 1, #1432 of 1669 🔗

it will end when there is some real disaster, I don’t know what- an asteroid? a real pandemic? – which takes people’s minds off it long enough for the spell to be broken

387226 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Tommo, #1433 of 1669 🔗

I have no idea how it will end – possibly C and nice weather. One thing I do know is that I would be insane to buy a pub now!

386976 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1434 of 1669 🔗

In Drosten’s home country.

 https://twitter.com/BenMarten/status/1355187196307898371

Big Germany Mortality Update
Now with complete Data for 2020! 2020, the year of the century pandemic has had lower age adjusted mortality than the average of the last 4 years!

386980 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1435 of 1669 🔗

Cue the zealots: But the lockdowns prevented other deaths! Road deaths stopped! If we didn’t lockdown the mortality would be off the charts! Reeeee . 😀

387085 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Vir Cotto, 4, #1436 of 1669 🔗

The lockdownistas offer taken for granted assertions, computer model outcomes as facts, confirmation bias as proof and counter-factuals as defences to proven false claims. And anyone who expresses any scepticism is a science denier.

386982 DThom, replying to DThom, 27, #1437 of 1669 🔗

Shopping today. Watching all the mask performances – everyone just puts the mask on like a robot. They really look like a load of zombies! They never seem to look at maskless me, am I in some sort of parallel universe!

387042 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DThom, 9, #1438 of 1669 🔗

They are a load if zombies. No face, no person.

387087 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to DThom, 1, #1439 of 1669 🔗

You’ve discovered the power of invisibility!

387007 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 10, #1440 of 1669 🔗

This is brilliant. Rebel News: maskless shopping test essential business face covering laws. Condom guy a minute or so in is genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVRohp4RUjo

387113 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to shorthand, 4, #1441 of 1669 🔗

“Do you want a bag with that sir?”
“Nah that’s ok I’m trying to help the environment.”

Haha that guy is hilarious. Humour is really the best weapon in these times!

387140 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to shorthand, 4, #1442 of 1669 🔗

If I still lived in Toronto I’d definitely join the flash mob mask-free shopping brigade. Chris Sky has been brilliant through all of this, as is Rebel News.

387010 swedenborg, 2, #1443 of 1669 🔗

https://twitter.com/ChGefaell/status/1355213901500133385

Highly recommend these links from Madrid based person.Very informative graphs.According to him just as in the April peak the lockdown now in UK after the infection peak.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/730b4fwmlhejpqg/England-29Jan2021.pdf?dl=0

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/s9muiwsixqy9b7e/Excess%20Deaths-1st-2nd-3rd-Waves-Spain-29Jan2021.pdf?dl=0

387014 ThomasPelham, replying to ThomasPelham, 35, #1444 of 1669 🔗

I’m a long long term tory voter. O’Brien has done as much as any of the leadership to dissuade me of this ever again.

387017 ▶▶ Annie, replying to ThomasPelham, 12, #1445 of 1669 🔗

I’m amazed you held out so long.

387066 ▶▶▶ Draefend, replying to Annie, 9, #1446 of 1669 🔗

I’ve always been slightly baffled by the “I’ve always voted (whomever) never again” trope.

Maybe I’m an odd cove but at every election, I’ve looked at the alternatives and thought “maybe I agree with ten percent of policies” and decided not to cast, as I’m not sure that’s enough to convince me.

I’ve always looked at MPs and thought “how is that insufferable bell-end trying to shaft me?”

Just a random outpouring as to why I’m on this site.

387171 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Draefend, #1447 of 1669 🔗

The only thing I’ve voted for in the last 10 years is Brexit.

387048 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to ThomasPelham, 20, #1448 of 1669 🔗

Always followed Boris,s career & voted Tory as my Dad did ( except UKIP twice) , So pissed off now I will never vote Tory again ( if we get chance to vote ) , Delingpole right on the money in Conservative Woman today , my thoughts exactly , there is actually nothing more to say other than STOP this total load of Bullshit now !!!

387060 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Freddy Boy, 9, #1449 of 1669 🔗

I’m the same. There is nothing conservative about the Conservative party now at all.

387082 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JASA, 1, #1450 of 1669 🔗

People on the Internet keep telling me they are Marxists.

387102 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1451 of 1669 🔗

I don’t think they have the sort of commitment required to follow an ideology, they’re just common or garden kleptocrats.

387176 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JASA, 5, #1452 of 1669 🔗

The thing is, those of us of a certain age grew up thinking Thatcherism was Conservative. It wasn’t. She was an outlier, hardly conservative at all. Likewise Tebbit.

Eden, Heath, Heseltine, Howe, Cameron. They’re the Conservative Party.

Wouldn’t give them the steam off my piss.

387084 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to ThomasPelham, 5, #1453 of 1669 🔗

The question is who to vote for.

Labour are worse.
The Greenies or Lib Dems? LOL.

I guess it’s Monster Raving Loony party time.

387118 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Vir Cotto, #1454 of 1669 🔗

Withdraw consent.

387167 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1455 of 1669 🔗

We need another parliament – this one is rubbish.
Maybe we could have a parliament in opposition the London Parliament – like the early parlements of the ancien regime.The north has got one, the west has one. One for the South and one for the East. The London Parliament can take care of London – like the Vatican…

387026 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 2, #1457 of 1669 🔗

shots fired!

387079 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Basics, 1, #1458 of 1669 🔗

Wouldn’t that be huge news, even if unsubstantiated? I haven’t seen that anywhere.

Both Youtube and Bitchute were devoid of any English results, but in Spanish some stuff does come up: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tribunal+peruano+afirma+que+el+covid

387169 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 1, #1459 of 1669 🔗

Interesting indeed. Note that it hasn’t been a particularly good year thus far for billionaires – the Sweet ‘N Low guy died in NYC, took his own life apparently jumped off his building, aged 89. Baron Benjamin de Rothschild died of a heart attack at age 57.

387024 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1460 of 1669 🔗

Seen this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/black-lives-matter-nobel-peace-prize-petter-eide-norweigan-mp

If such an outrage were to occur it was be the ultimate abasement of the Nobel organisation.

387041 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1461 of 1669 🔗

A bunch that can give Bob Dylan the prize for literature is capable of anything.
Maybe Wankok and Pantsdown will share the prize for medicine.

387108 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Annie, 4, #1462 of 1669 🔗

it is not that ridiculous . Winners have included poets before and music lyrics are just poetry . and the prize is for a life’s work and certainly Dylan qualifies with nearly 60 years of interesting lyrics. And some of the literary laureates are a little obscure and off the wall . I agree Dylans voice might grate and his songs can be painful but the prize isnt for tunefulness and bel canto

387062 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1463 of 1669 🔗

I thought the ultimate abasement of the Nobel prize already occured when they awarded Barky Obomber the Peace Prize for services rendered to Pakistani newlyweds.

387075 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1464 of 1669 🔗

They gave the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change the Peace Prize.

387097 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1465 of 1669 🔗

just read the piece… the MP who nominated BLM is named and we are told he is a member of the Socialist Left party . However further down the piece it mentions that Trump has been nominated for the second time by another MP. He is named but his party is not .. i looked it up – it is the Progress party. However the Guardian see fit to describe him as “far right”. A little inconsistent. They also try to compare BLM to Mandela and King . But it is the Guardian … i shouldnt really read it.

387156 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mj, 2, #1466 of 1669 🔗

Well they are trying to impeach Trump (again) for ‘inciting an insurrection’ which is interesting given that several arrested, inc. one of the chief protagonists, is clearly identified as a BLM activist. The FBI arrest report clearly says he is seen ‘leading’ a charge. Therefore not exactly what you would call comparable to Mandela or King!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13753784/blm-activist-john-sullivan-arrested-by-fbi/

387037 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1467 of 1669 🔗

Another article about possible laboratory origin of C-19.The new thing here is the report of 5 Wuhan patients with adenovirus vaccine genetic sequences in specimen.Adenovirus is used in the Astra Zeneca vaccine( This firm was naturally not involved at all in Wuhan but the adenovirus was well known in vaccine research all around the world)

SEATTLE, Jan. 29, 2021 /PRNewswire/ — A paper was published today by Dr. Steven Quay, M.D., PhD., CEO of Atossa Therapeutics, Inc. (NASDAQ: ), entitled, “A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived.” The 193-page paper can be downloaded from Zenodo, a general-purpose open-access repository operated by CERN, here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477081# . A short ‘explainer’ video about the paper is here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477212# .

 “The additional evidence of what appears to be adenovirus vaccine genetic sequences in specimens from five patients from December 2019 and sequenced by the Wuhan Institute of Virology requires an explanation. You would see this kind of data in a vaccine challenge trial, for example. Hopefully the WHO team can get answers to these questions.”

387050 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1468 of 1669 🔗

Is it peer reviewed, or is that not applicable here?

387071 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1469 of 1669 🔗

Don’t know or whether published privately

387149 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, #1470 of 1669 🔗

Okay, thanks.

387103 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1471 of 1669 🔗

That’s a right ripping read! But mind-blowing introduction. I think he basically uses Maths to test probabilities of som