Last updated2021-01-30T11:16:14



387332 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 114, #1 of 1420 🔗

are covid deaths being manipulated?

A nurse know from our prayer group (over twenty there, but fifteen seats to be covid spy secure) said the other day that there is pressure on doctors to put a death as a covid death because they get extra funding for it (£1000 for every ten covid deaths reported?). Also, they can put a death as covid without having to ask a lot of questions (and the similar for care homes) We wondered if it would provide opportunities for another Harold Shipman.

Meanwhile, Sir Desmond Swayne is accused of “misinformation” for saying that coronavirus death stats are manipulated and that NHS risks are manageable. One draws one’s own conclusions.

Now what was that story about 22 deaths in a Basingstoke care home again?

387341 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Hugh, 3, #2 of 1420 🔗

The Great Reset debunked by a raging free-market capitalist
Douglas Kruger

387344 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 20, #3 of 1420 🔗

No cases at all of flu in the United Kingdom; a medical triumph!


History Debunked

Reported cases of Covid-19 seem to be rising exponentially. There may be a simple explanation for this, as at the same time cases of influenza have dropped to zero

387684 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 25, #4 of 1420 🔗

Te simple explanation is that we are being scammed and this will all end very badly.

388187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rowan, 2, #5 of 1420 🔗

Te =The

388623 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #6 of 1420 🔗

Propaganda triumph.

387537 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 47, #7 of 1420 🔗

Can’t be arsed to vieew your video but I know my wife has just finished a week at the vrtual Davos event and every single meeting was about planning for the great reset, 4th Industrial revolution. call it want you want be it’s real and being planned for.

387732 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew K, -17, #8 of 1420 🔗

It’s not that this agenda exists that is disputed, only the lunatic conclusions some people have reached concerning some of its aims that are highly questionable.

387771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Nick Rose, 13, #9 of 1420 🔗

You don’t see a lunatic agenda. Its a ‘conditioning’ thing. Trust your stakeholders. It’s your freedom to give to what you value most and live your reward. The mask of virtue catches the unwary.

388371 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #10 of 1420 🔗

Yes, it’s not as if there are any historical examples of any large organisations making plans for world domination. A lot of people came to lunatic conclusions about people like Monsieur Napoleon, Herr Hitler, Mr Stalin and Mr Pot, but they turned out to be baseless…er…I think.

388403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #11 of 1420 🔗

By 2030 you will own nothing and be (un)happy. Is that lunatic enough for you?

388626 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, 1, #12 of 1420 🔗

That is because they possess artificial intelligence and we don’t.

388449 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #13 of 1420 🔗

This a reply to those replying to and downvoting Nick, not a reply directly to Nick.

It’s not, in fact, very helpful for those here who believe in a globalist conspiracy to attack those of us who don’t. Nobody wins except the people (whoever they may be) who are destroying our way of life. Inasmuch as we have any power at all here, it is through our elected representatives and through our own actions. Whether the agenda is being controlled by Matt Hancock, Boris Johnson, SAGE, Klaus Schwab, the CCP or Bill Gates makes absolutely no difference to the options open to any of us to deal with it. Insisting that other people see the same truth that you do, when they hold basically the same position, is needlessly divisive. Can we just stop it?

388664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to matt, 1, #14 of 1420 🔗

Some of those or more likely all of those you have mentioned are waging a war on the masses of which we are part. Sun Tzu advises to know our enemy and to do that we have to know who the enemy is.

387776 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Andrew K, 9, #15 of 1420 🔗

The title was misleading “The Great Reset debunked by a raging free-market capitalist “

The video is actually saying how awful the great reset is and how it is a plan for worldwide Communism.

Douglas Kruger is the debunking the behind it and not the fact that it exists.

388186 ▶▶▶▶ Wayne, replying to Andrew K, #16 of 1420 🔗

Did they set out a time line for this?

388405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Wayne, 1, #17 of 1420 🔗

2030 at the very latest.

388212 ▶▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Andrew K, 2, #18 of 1420 🔗

I would be really grateful if you could give more details of what exactly they are planning? It would be very helpful to have some kind of idea of what to expect in the near future?

388628 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #19 of 1420 🔗

Read United Nations Agenda 21, then add 9 years.

388625 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrew K, #20 of 1420 🔗

Let them plan to their heart’s content. It ain’t gonna work.

387361 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hugh, 5, #21 of 1420 🔗

Of course they are.

387396 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Hugh, 29, #22 of 1420 🔗

If there was to be another Shipman, I can’t think how our Gov could have created a more perfect environment and culture for him to operate in. It’s a complete insult to the measures they put in place after the enquiry to prevent this. Presumably Shipman II might find it a bit harder to procure enough diamorphine this time, but he could easily use another method and it get caught for a long time if ever.

387688 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 13, #23 of 1420 🔗

They have the “vaccines” and Shipman is not needed.

387400 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, 3, #24 of 1420 🔗

Has this nurse tried reporting this to the media?

387462 ▶▶▶ MikeMayUK, replying to Janette, 21, #25 of 1420 🔗

Sadly, we are the media now.

387711 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, 27, #26 of 1420 🔗

She would be wasting her time and the media would probably report her to the NHS. I’m not sure that most people on this excellent site have really begun to grasp just how very deep this rabbit hole goes.

388002 ▶▶▶▶ Hopeful, replying to Rowan, 13, #27 of 1420 🔗

Whilst most people here have focused on all things covid19, and rightly so, it has been at the expense of looking at the bigger picture, unfortunately. Tons of excellent work on here laying out the facts for which I’m immensely grateful. Equally tons of comments that have brightened many a day and saved me from the doldrums. However, the rampant opportunism of groups and individuals controlling and influencing the covid/vaccine story is our real enemy. Not that enough people are ready and able to face up to this even after all that’s happened. For me it’s about good versus evil. If I stand alone in that, so be it.

388034 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Hopeful, 29, #28 of 1420 🔗

“For me it’s about good versus evil. If I stand alone in that, so be it.”

You can’t be alone; I will always stand with you. The lockdownistas can shriek all they want, but the very bottom line is that they are all evil, for the basic reason of an unwarranted removal of the human right to judge our own risk.

Some bedwetter put a meme on another forum where I used to contribute, showing two “nurses” holding a piece of paper up that suggested that sceptics should not mind working without PPE in a COVID-19 ward as a volunteer porter. I replied saying “Go on then, I am volunteering; no PPE, I will act as a porter in a COVID-19 ward for a month”.

Instead of taking me up on my offer (WHICH IS STILL OPEN), I got banned. Gutless bastards. Don’t DARE show me those stupid foul adverts that say (cue high-pitched whining voice) “We’re all scaaaared… ” with a bedwetter nurse wringing her hands. It doesn’t affect me one jot.

388429 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hopeful, 5, #29 of 1420 🔗

Yes I go along with you entirely. As I said, this is an excellent site and not yet overtly infested with paid trolls. There are a few though, generally quite subtle, this not being the Daily Mail etc.

388629 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, 2, #30 of 1420 🔗

Highly suspect people appear to be running the NHS these days.

388630 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #31 of 1420 🔗

But they are just part of the Chain of Command. Like the military and most corporations.

388668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #32 of 1420 🔗

Can’t argue with that.

387459 ▶▶ MikeMayUK, replying to Hugh, 22, #33 of 1420 🔗

The real manipulation is that the population is interpreting honest reporting of “deaths with CoVID-19″ and as “deaths from CoVID-19″. From that, everything else follows on naturally because we’re already lying to ourselves.

387850 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to MikeMayUK, 5, #34 of 1420 🔗

If you honestly looked at the provenance of the definitions on which both tests and the genetically defined RNA protein ‘pathogen’ arise from, you might find a deeper basis for lying to ourselves. But you are right, everything is being propagandised to push narratives that are baseless or grossly distorted.
The desire to BE manipulated is the other side of the balance sheet.

Do I get something I believe I need from these narrative identifictions?

I appreciate your bringing to awareness the nature of a flow of consequence from a ‘false’ cause. Unless people wake up to the nature of cause and effect they blindly assign ’cause’ to effects, and consent to be subjected by what they have given meaning to, as if a wholly external set of circumstances.

Thus I see a deep lesson in cause and effect underway in practical terms. Manipulation of meaning is also a form of magical appeal by which what we WANT to hide or hide from can SEEM to be escaped or overcome.
That this ‘new world’ comes with a heavy burden of sacrifice and denial COULD be obvious…

This post continues on

387508 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hugh, 25, #35 of 1420 🔗

Rather odd that stories like these are not reaching the MSM.

It makes you wonder about the NHS staff. Are they so blinded by their nomenklatura & “hero” status that they will overlook the fake statistics, the futility of the app and turning away patients who have cancer, hip problems, etc so they can keep their freebies, gifts, discounts and priority shopping hours?

They need to be careful as they can go from hero to zero quickly and when the day of reckoning comes, they won’t be spared and it won’t be a nice ending.

387570 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #36 of 1420 🔗

At a personal level, the little people who stay in line will probably be okay. We will always need doctors and nurses. But whistle blowers are likely to achieve little but their own dismissal and subsequent unemployability. The media won’t publish anyway.

Maybe that explains it. Along with the fact that, once you have morally compromised yourself to that extent, it’s much more comfortable if you convince yourself that you truly believe.

387717 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ovis, 16, #37 of 1420 🔗

“O nce you have morally compromised yourself to that extent, it’s much more comfortable if you convince yourself that you truly believe”

I really think you have nailed it there Ovis!

388431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #38 of 1420 🔗


388329 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 2, #39 of 1420 🔗

Your last sentence nails it!!!

388631 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ovis, #40 of 1420 🔗

Get bigger whistles.

387606 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Hugh, 5, #41 of 1420 🔗

Is the £1000 fee for attributing a death to Covid on the death certificate really true? I only ask because this was said six months ago and shown not to be true, think it was in the USA. Hopefully a lockdown sceptic doctor can confirm?

387709 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Puddleglum59, 11, #42 of 1420 🔗

The fee is absolutely not true – there is no fee for signing any death certificate. What is true and concerning is that a positive test is not needed for covid to be put in a death certificate, symptoms consistent with covid is sufficient, and this was even more prevalent in the early days last year before testing was widely available. The information is readily available – here is the advice from the medical defence union for example: https://www.themdu.com/guidance-and-advice/latest-updates-and-advice/certifying-deaths-during-covid-19-outbreak

387731 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Puddleglum59, 7, #43 of 1420 🔗

There would be no formal payment scheme, far too incriminating. However, doctors would probably receive bonuses based on performance in delivering just what their management wants. You won’t find a smoking gun.

388723 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, #44 of 1420 🔗

“extra funding available”. I would have to check with him/her about the nature of the extra funding. (Obviously he/she has to remain anonymous).

387744 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Puddleglum59, 4, #45 of 1420 🔗

I heard sth from Germany, a reliable source, that the doctor wanted to write covid on the death certificate so he would get more money. Just has to be mentioned, not necessarily as the cause of death.

387641 ▶▶ miahoneybee, replying to Hugh, 1, #46 of 1420 🔗


I wanted to put this in for discussion. FPF police are set up as Ltd companies..

387642 ▶▶ kate, replying to Hugh, 5, #47 of 1420 🔗

This is alarming.

It is vital that death certificates, autopsies and inquests can be carried out. (I know the coronavirus act has lifted the autopsy and inquest requirements)

But these laws are in place to protect us from murder (or at least to bring the perpetrator to light)

As I understand it, it is also an offence for a doctor to falsely declare cause of death, for which he can be charged.

387648 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 5, #48 of 1420 🔗

There is a discussion with Dolores Cahill early on in this video from Reiner Fuellmich on the importance of the documentation around deaths.


It starts at 1:01:29

387913 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to kate, 9, #49 of 1420 🔗

I remember when this kicked off and I read that autopsies were not required or to be performed. It was one of a few things causing hairline fractures in my cognitive dissonance – which has now been so obliterated I’ve grown long floppy ears.

There are so many levels to this deception, I consider it our duty to perform a cost-benefit analysis as to whether we imprison all these cunts or just make soap out of them.

I despair for my children. Everyone else’s too.

387721 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Hugh, 5, #50 of 1420 🔗

Deaths from all causes per million is the only way, in my view, that the impact this virus is having can truly be measured.

387908 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #51 of 1420 🔗

If indeed that presumption is correct. For the disease symptoms and the reactive treatments and social measures and prophylactic intervention are all lumped as if the ‘virus’.
As far as I am aware the virus exists as a computer modelling recombination or ‘alignment’ of many short strands of RNA discovered in a sampling of tissue fluid that holds a mixture of many different organic particles and detritus. Such discovery was not claimed or investigated as the cause of any disease. But the linkage of ‘virus’ and disease is strongly established in our belief systems – regards there are trillions of such particles pervading our world, our body our breath, and our mask.

If nearly all of this was a form of cold and flu with a relabelling and escalation of perceived and believed threat and resulting responses, then that would be supported by comparing 2020 with previous years and factoring in deaths due to mistreatment along with deaths arising from the ‘side effects’ of lockdown and in the first instance to shutdown of normal medical support and for many a fear or aversion to engaging with a covid health service.

A focus on clinical disease that poses threat to life or function COULD seek for causes instead of aggressively asserting a causation that then acquires almost all cold and flu to its ‘diagnosis’ while extending a diagnosis of deadly contagion to healthy people (asymptomatic) on the basis of ‘testing’ that is wide open to every kind of error or abuse and based on Drostren’s miracle (sic) Paper.

Disappearing in computer modelling is on ‘offer’ as a transhuman agenda – or is it a mask over a deeper self-evasion from a relational self-honesty – that reflects as empirical science rather than ‘Protect the Model’ at any and all cost.

388713 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ned of the Hills, #52 of 1420 🔗

Agreed. Speaking of which, when do we get the excess deaths for January?

388245 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 5, #53 of 1420 🔗

are covid deaths being manipulated?

No, other causes of death are being manipulated to be covid deaths.

388670 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #54 of 1420 🔗

So bang on the nail.

388264 ▶▶ Mark Pulsford, replying to Hugh, 6, #55 of 1420 🔗

I’m amazed that nobody puts out the chart of total annual deaths divided by population size which clearly shows that 2020 was a normal year for mortality. The Nhs is a joke they get over 100bn each year and have 1.4m employees. The whole pandemic is corruption at the highest level.

388361 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hugh, 2, #56 of 1420 🔗

Good to hear you have a prayer group. I support a charity called Project Barnabas for persecuted Christians. They send a monthly magazine with stories about Christians being arrested, beaten, killed etc in various countries. I don’t recall anything about the effective closure of all churches in the UK, but of course that’s voluntary…

388717 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cranmer, 1, #57 of 1420 🔗

I heard of a UK church that was effectively open last April (though keeping a low profile). I am just glad that I am able to meet with a group of people under (old) normal conditions and appreciate how lucky I am in these circumstances – and grieve for those who are unable to do so. I wonder how many old normal groups, whether prayer groups or anything else, are carrying on at the moment.

Unfortunately, persecuted Christians (who face more persecution worldwide than any other group) is not a very fashionable cause in recent times, so I am glad to hear you are supporting them.

388620 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hugh, #58 of 1420 🔗

Taxpayer money.

387333 mj, replying to mj, #59 of 1420 🔗

today its me !!!!!

387335 ▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 14, #60 of 1420 🔗

damn .. it wasnt me !!!! deflated! . and yes of course deaths are manipulated. all the data it being manipulated

387339 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to mj, 3, #61 of 1420 🔗


387343 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Hugh, 6, #62 of 1420 🔗

The Startling Truth about Covid-19 and Vitamin D

Vernon Coleman

387803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #63 of 1420 🔗

Fantastic. So true

387932 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #64 of 1420 🔗

I was alarmed at his RDA comment.
UK RDA is 400IU !!! – the Vit D council along with others who have researched Vit D is 5000IU. Fauci reportedly takes 6000IU. So I would consider at least 3000IU or indeed 4000. But unless medically advised otherwise not more than 10,000IU daily (in winter). Higher dose is worth adding Vit K2 for the proper laying down of calcium.

A recent doctors zoom on Vit D had one doctor taking his 1 month at a time as one dose. (In Italy it is over the counter as a phial of oil

So while VC may be covering his liability to being attacked he would do better to invite people to research – which means caring to seek out information rather than ticking the boxes.
The smear campaign against Vit D is in my opinion, commercially and politically motivated. ‘Stay in the cage everyone!’

One last thing; it can take a couple of weeks for the body to synthesis the supplemental form to the bioactive form that enables T-cell and other immune functional support, so it is not an acute remedy as a supplement.

Bernstein-Mercola receomend a nebuliser to deliver a remedial salve for chest inflammation – Look it up if you want to educate yourselves. Chronic fear is also inflammatory.

387397 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mj, 8, #65 of 1420 🔗

You only have to look at the stats that our media puts out every day – deaths within 28 days of a positive test and “with” rather than from Covid, this is obvious manipulation.

387620 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to mj, 2, #66 of 1420 🔗

It’s not ‘me’, it’s Hugh. 🙂

388722 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #67 of 1420 🔗

to Hugh, to me!

387336 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 88, #68 of 1420 🔗

Lockdown is a huge medical experiment being conducted without the consent of the participants

What will be the effect of not exposing the participants to virus and bacteria for extended periods?

The outcomes will be unknown until long after the experiment is concluded

The lawfulness or otherwise of lockdown will occupy the courts for many years to come

On the practical front the dictatorship appears to labour under the illusion that at some stage they can unlockdown (no me neither)

The extent of the phycological damage lockdown has caused is unknown. For the past 12 months people have been told mere contact with another human being will kill them and they believe it

Will the dictatorship be able to unfrighten the population and send them back to work? I doubt it.

Economically the county has ground to a halt and then been shoved into reverse

Imposing lockdown was easy.

I doubt if the dictatorship will be able to put back together what it has broken

387348 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 68, #69 of 1420 🔗

There are people out there that are already permanently crippled due to cancelled hip ops. Others that will kark it at the first sign of the common cold. Kids with psychological damage will now suffer this through their entire life course. The list goes on and on. SAGE really do have a lot to answer for.

387703 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #70 of 1420 🔗

Yes, even if lockdown were to be lifted today and not enforced again, the damage is already off the charts and permanent. However, lockdown isn’t going to end today and this tyranny is going to last a long time. This crime is immeasurable.

388683 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, #71 of 1420 🔗

Yes, I go along with your pessimistic, but very realistic view.

387440 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Cecil B, 20, #72 of 1420 🔗

Interesting to note the doctor writing on ‘covid arm’ openly stating we are taking part in a large clinical trial.

387520 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 13, #73 of 1420 🔗

Spot on. The damage brought about by this has been massive and regardless, we will be paying for this for years, even decades to come. For some especially children, it will be for life.

387724 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cecil B, 14, #74 of 1420 🔗

They are still labouring under the illusion that they can defeat a virus. If they continue to do this they can never un-lockdown so the 2 beliefs are in fact mutually incompatible.

One would have thought that the psychologists in the Psi-B team having done such a good job in terrorising the population would have similar ‘reversal strategies’ to un-frighten them. It seems there is no desire to try this.

Imposing lockdown was easy – they did indeed ‘get away with it’ (what did Prof Pantsdown really mean by that?). There is no incentive to un-lockdown – it would only bring into sharp relief the catastrophic damage that has been done to all aspects of our lives.

387966 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #75 of 1420 🔗

I don’t believe that ‘they’ believe that – any more that War on terror, War on whatever.
China leads the way in lockdown as the normal. Once structured in the technology, social structure and enforcement agencies, it can allow permissible movement, or business to emerge.
I can assure you that if the furlough or food supply was cut off, the people would come out and apply themselves to survival.
Underneath all this is a simple fact that if the Banking sector didnt support all this, they could starve it of funding and bring it to a halt. Evidence shows the opposite is true and so they are at least co-driving it as a part of restructuring a corrupted, crashed and broken economy.
I would like to believe that the lockdowns are a form of medical restraint while the surgery is undertaken. But where is there any sign of love of life in the ‘Surgery’? It is all fear and control masking in PR virtue signalling.
Prove me wrong if you can.

As for exit strategy it is this ‘builderberg better!’ (excuse the wordplay). Iraq as an example was more destroyed and undermined in life, function and wealth by the post war ‘rebuilding’ than by the overt kinetic war – though the war prised open the way to unregulated plunder and built in denial of function.

There IS no exit strategy for non stakeholders excepting as you can uncover, grow, share and discover in your life and times – such as these.

388692 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Binra, #76 of 1420 🔗

Thank you. It’s very welcome to hear from someone who’s got a real grasp of what’s really going on. Strangely there are many who still believe that the long planned Covid event was (or is) about a virus. Covid has always been intended as cover for the Great Reset / Agenda 30, both of which require a massive cull of the global population. The exit strategy for non-stakeholders is of course death by vaccine.

388636 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to HelzBelz, #77 of 1420 🔗

It’s not a virus, it’s a germ.

387741 ▶▶ aleaf, replying to Cecil B, 14, #78 of 1420 🔗

Some people are way past the level of hypochondria that can be reversed.. even if they take the vaccine their life will not return to normal. Hypochondria is an obsessive compulsive disorder which is very difficult to treat maybe with some kind of ssri and exposure therapy.. can you imagine those visored gloved up, scared sh.tless poor souls consenting exposure therapy to human contact even after the vaccine?? I don’t think so and apart from the ones that have real health conditions or advance age I don’t give a damn about them either. They are a huge part of the problem,they are the ones responsible for world goverments cavalierly acts of putting us through this out of proportion reaction.

388635 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, 1, #79 of 1420 🔗

We don’t want what they have broken. We want our own Great Reset.

388680 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 1, #80 of 1420 🔗

I’m not at all sure that they will want to reopen the economy, that is not what Klaus and Bill are after. Lockdown set to stay, at least until the vaccines have done their dirty work.

387337 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 29, #81 of 1420 🔗

Some very unpalatable chickens coming home to roost. Even the BBC has a report that finally states the bleedin’ obvious.

Very noticeable that this item blames all these entirely predictable problems on the pandemic or the virus – ie not on the lockdowns which just get a mention in a couple of the quotes.

BBC News – Covid: The devastating toll of the pandemic on children

387342 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to SilentP, 14, #82 of 1420 🔗

Keep their government masters happy eh? Who would have thought that the threat to decriminalise non payment of the licence fee would have such devastating consequences?

387362 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hugh, 10, #83 of 1420 🔗

Yes, but what is the ITV’S, CHANNEL 4’S, 5’S AND SKY’S EXCUSES?

387370 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #84 of 1420 🔗

Government terror ads must bring in a lot of money.

387374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 5, #85 of 1420 🔗

Non-Independent TeleVision?

I never realised how easy it was for the government to manipulate the media

387447 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #86 of 1420 🔗

Excellent point, Annie.

387528 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 7, #87 of 1420 🔗

Of course they do. The media were ‘incentivised’ with government advertising back in March and this has been the main driver of the propaganda war ever since.

388641 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #88 of 1420 🔗

Various governments have been putting out terror ads for years. How about the anti-smoking ad with the guy in an alleyway being beaten to a bloody pulp by an invisible force? Sickening. PHE and the NHS approved of it and many people thought it was appropriate and justified.

387599 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #89 of 1420 🔗

Much like the Overton window in politics, there is a narrow spread of mainstream views that the public and advertisers are willing to accept, going beyond these bounds will mean a loss of profitability.

The net result of this is a sort of cultural feedback loop, driven by the latest ‘big story’, which is, most of the time, flawed or fallacious. If the public buy it though, it makes the headline.

Instead of wondering why the large media corporations aren’t interested in alternative viewpoints, it is better to lower your own expectations of them and the content they are able to produce. They are not a public service, they are profit oriented businesses. The vast majority of their audience fail to take this into consideration, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

387402 ▶▶ Janette, replying to SilentP, 9, #90 of 1420 🔗

If only the MSM would tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth on this whole diabolical show then surely it would be over??

387454 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janette, 6, #91 of 1420 🔗

The corporate media have never told the truth and nothing but the truth. They misrepresent and lie about anything everything. They even lie about dolphins: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/04/corporate-media-lie-about-dolphins-and.html

387464 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Janette, 30, #92 of 1420 🔗

There is a simple solution…

387452 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to SilentP, 9, #93 of 1420 🔗

Shared! Yes I noticed the BBC talks about the effects of the pandemic and the virus, and not the effect of lockdown, but it’s a start… even BBC readers hopefully will draw the obvious inference.

387516 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SilentP, 9, #94 of 1420 🔗

Funny how they still can’t bring themselves to say that its lockdown wot did it.

387582 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to SilentP, 13, #95 of 1420 🔗

It isn’t the “toll of the pandemic” on children it is the toll of the political response to the pandemic on children. That fact has to be absolutely clear in every headline. It was a choice and we had other choices. You can’t blame a virus for doing what it is designed to do but you can blame those making the decisions.

387338 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #96 of 1420 🔗

Exercise Cygnus in 2016 concluded that in the event of a pandemic the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government responded to this, not by adopting the obvious measure, that is increasing capacity, rather the government reduced capacity. The government at the time was, of course, the Conservatives, who remain the government. When the entirely predictable pandemic did occur a year ago, the Conservative government, on the basis of its experts’ advice, decided against securing the borders, that is, they decided to import the virus, which inevitably occurred in late January 2020. The Conservative government did little about the virus. Indeed, on 19 March 2020, the government deemed the virus to not be a high consequence infectious disease. The very next day Boris Johnson made his first statement calling for lockdown and introduced it on 23 March 2020 on the ground that it was necessary in order to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed. He told the country that this would take three weeks. And parliament without scrutiny or division passed the Coronavirus Act 2020, which provided the government with the authority to govern by ministerial decree. The two hundred page legislation had been drafted in response to the result of Exercise Cygnus.

387354 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #97 of 1420 🔗

An ugly duckling, eh?

387473 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #98 of 1420 🔗

Immediately after announcing the Lockdown, The Pig Dictator had a meeting with Billy Boy Gates. He also increased the UK payments to the WHO by a couple of hundred million.

Why ?

387569 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bill H, 7, #99 of 1420 🔗

British politicians always seem to think they can take the lead by joining things. Think EU, where British views were consistently ignored. Johnson, being a typical arrogant Tory posh-boy, imagines he is just the man to head up the WEF and the WHO and lead us to the sunlit uplands of international corporate fascism.

387726 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Bill H, 3, #100 of 1420 🔗

This should be shared… do we have references?

387499 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #101 of 1420 🔗

“on the basis of its experts’ advice, decided against securing the borders, that is, they decided to import the virus, which inevitably occurred in late January 2020”.

I totally don’t agree with this. The virus, if there is ONE…which there Isn’t, was endemic globally from I think from at least October 2019.

In fact I think this is a corner stone of COVID bollocks. That we “let it in”. It was here already.

There are many Corona virus variants as we know and they are EVERYWHERE. They always have been and always will be endemic. NPI’s are voodoo.

387504 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Two-Six, 1, #102 of 1420 🔗

The first recorded instance of Covid 19 in this country occurred at the end of January 2020. A Chinese couple arrived at Heathrow, travelled freely about the country, until when they reached York, they sought medical assistance.

387643 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #103 of 1420 🔗

While that is true there is some evidence for undiagnosed coronavirus cases in UK in December or even November 2019. Andy Gill (Gang of Four lead) a notable case (but underlying condition too) RIP. His tour manager was ill too after returning from tour in China.

387693 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 9, #104 of 1420 🔗

Pretty damn sure there were cases around that time too. Myself and others I know all had the same classic “Covid” symptoms. I’m also hearing further afield that people were getting ill then.

387869 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #105 of 1420 🔗

The first “recorded” “case”, OK. Well before then they weren’t “recording” anything or testing anybody, it was just a boring old cold then. My Aunty and all her (7+) Scottish 80+yr old friends caught a hacking cough/feeling terrible/getting SHINGLES!/ bug at Christmas 2019 when they all met up for their Christmas shin-dig. They are all fine now, obviously. If they were tested it would have been covids and they probably would have been hospitalised, ventilated and would be dead by now. Lucky they got it early when it was still a crap cold.

Oh yer, and nearly all of my European online mates got a hacking cough/feeling crap bug around December too.

387874 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Two-Six, 2, #106 of 1420 🔗

As did I.

387635 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Two-Six, 3, #107 of 1420 🔗

Yes! I’m actually starting to think stretching back to late 2018.

387815 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #108 of 1420 🔗

Why 2018? Also, what’s your username referring to? Lady Bracknell?

387501 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #109 of 1420 🔗

“When the entirely predictable pandemic did occur a year ago …” ??

WHO had changed the definition of pandemic.
WHO downgraded the ‘pandemic’ before the first lockdown.

There is no pandemic. There has been no real pandemic. Pandemic was called to put the frighteners on the undiscerning public and give cover for totalitarian ‘governance’.

Coronavirus Act 2020 must be repealed.

387527 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PastImperfect, 17, #110 of 1420 🔗

The Act should never have been passed in the first place. It was subject to zero scrutiny. If the MPs had bothered to read it, they might have noticed that at Part 2 Section 90 it gives government ministers the legal authority to do anything, forever. The Act marks the legal parliamentary implementation of fascism, and there was barely a word of protest.

As to the definition of the word pandemic: it just means an infectious/contagious disease that is prevalent across much of the world. Thus, the common cold(s) is an obvious example of a pandemic.

387659 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #111 of 1420 🔗

You’re right. If there’s one Brucie bonus from this dire shitshow, it’s the evidence that Parliament isn’t even capable of reading the actual lines, let alone inbetween them.

387345 pcr_bs, replying to pcr_bs, 7, #112 of 1420 🔗

Does anyone have any insight into the ‘Covid denier’ Gary Matthews death – Covid kills Covid-denier who refused to wear mask or socially distance. It seems to be all over the news in the UK and they seem to be using the story into silencing the lockdown skeptics.

This Clown Ian Fraser posted about it

Also Ian Fraser is out to get Toby, Gupta ….

It’s great there’s now an organised group debunking the disinfo being spread by “Covid sceptics” Sunetra Gupta, Carl Heneghan, Mike Yeadon, Toby Young, Allison Pearson, Julia HB, etc. Well done @s8mb @StuartJRitchie @NeilDotObrien https:// covidfaq.co

387375 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to pcr_bs, 18, #113 of 1420 🔗

“Covid kills Covid-denier” eh?

Quick, someone print out a load of stickers saying “Lockdowns kill children”!

Fight fire with fire. If enough people put them up, they can’t stop all of them.

387403 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to pcr_bs, 10, #114 of 1420 🔗

Well he looks fit and healthy in the photos which makes it statistically highly unlikely but who knows? Perhaps his friends and family were begging him to wear a mask because he had an underlying health condition?

Aside: what happened to wearing a mask protects others not yourself?

388257 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #115 of 1420 🔗

That was SO last year!

387412 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to pcr_bs, 40, #116 of 1420 🔗

I’ll take responsibility for this mans death if Ian Fraser takes responsibility for every suicide,every heart attack and stroke victim who was too scared to access the NHS,Every cancer victim who had treatment stopped or had screening delayed and now is incurable .Every care home resident who had a DNR and was barred from NHS care.
Every person who has died as a result of taking the vaccine.
These people have blood on their hands and I haven’t even mentioned the closure of the schools or the utter destruction of the economy.

387471 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to pcr_bs, 13, #117 of 1420 🔗

He’s an adult who conducted and executed his own risk assessment like we all did back in the day.

When Covidians wave this story at me I simply ask where all the stories are for people who followed all the rules and still died?

The Covidian then has to pretend people who follow the rules don’t die or accept that the media is fully signed up to dishing out government propaganda.

387701 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to pcr_bs, 3, #118 of 1420 🔗

It’s all good PR for the pro-lockdowners, of course. But it should be viewed in the context of knowing the precise circumstances and what NHS treatment he received. I am becoming more and more of the opinion that many ‘covid’ deaths are due to medical malpractice.

387346 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #119 of 1420 🔗

Sky News: Vandals target Long Man of Wilmington and paint COVID mask on its face.

387351 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #120 of 1420 🔗

Has anybody put one on. the Sphinx?

387376 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #121 of 1420 🔗

They’ve been all over the place – I think “David” had one.

387386 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hugh, 7, #122 of 1420 🔗

Such an uplifting piece of vandalism. Reminds me of the mostly peaceful BLM protests.

387574 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, #123 of 1420 🔗

Sistine Chapel next.

387347 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 27, #124 of 1420 🔗


Shorthand Snr (77) in Hot Water Over Vax Infertility Fears.

It has emerged overnight that the father of Aberdeenshire’s most eligible bachelor and committed Lockdown Sceptic, Shorthand, has questioned his own imminent participation in the UK vaccination rollout over fears that it may make him infertile.

The 77 year old Bo’ness resident who has recently bemoaned the last year of lockdowns not over any moral, economical or ethical issues but that it has killed his promising 5 a side soccer career. A source close to the family has told us that the ageing (Left) winger had hoped to see himself up among the Bo’ness footballing elites such as Lexie Shields, the one eyed goal scorer who took the town to victory over rivals Baillieston in the Scottish Junior cup in 1984.

Bo’ness, a small mining town on the banks of the River Forth remains insulated from many surrounding towns not through covid restrictions, just no one really likes them. Many outsiders harshly claim that the only good thing to come out of Bo’ness is the roads.

In another matter, long term rivalry dating back to the days of the great plague between the neighbouring posh town Linlithgow was recently rekindled in 2012 after a local wag posted a meme regarding another “Fair Day” (Galaday) wash out onto the famous Downfall Parody “Hitler Ragin at Bo’ness Fair” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwdIrR3O16Y on youtube.
Bo’ness is also unique in that steak pie is served at every celebratory occasion.

Tensions remains high between the 2 towns.

Shorthand Snr has stated that after almost 40 yrs of turning up at Grangemouth sports Complex, the team was starting to take him seriously and he was finally getting noticed. He feels Lockdown restrictions have set him back 10 years.

Press converging on the home of the ageing Sportster were greeted by a dishevelled character who answered the door in a knee length pink dressing gown, shielding his eyes with one hand, a 1989 edition of Living Marxism in his other.
Blinking at the bemused hack pack, he asked “Is it all over yet, did we win..?” and promptly closed the door.

Press finally managed a statement over the phone from Shorthand Snr’s long suffering wife, Mrs Shorthand.
“He’s worried aboot what? I’ll gie him infertility…! He’ll no fly, he’ll no go in the shops, he’ll no tidy oot his study, and he thinks I don’t know about his secret Betfred account. Ah’ll infertility him. Ah’ve hud him under ma feet since last April, he’s spent the last 9 months working his way through the drink cupboard, he was into the cooking brandy last night, an now he’s talking about infertility..??”.

Asked about Shorthand Snr maintaining that he “Still had a couple left in him yet”, a possible reference to a furthering of the Shorthand lineage she responded “He’ll be getting his jab at the vets and spayed at the same time, 3 wis enough”.

Muffled shouting was heard before the phone line was cut off. Unconfirmed reports say that what looks to be a child’s tent in the shape of a huge ladybird, possibly belonging to a grandchild, has now been erected on the back lawn of Chez Shorthand and has been used overnight.
Due to an irrational fear of granny killing by one of Shorthand Snr’s very own heirs, no grandweans have been permitted at the Ancestral Pile of recent. It is assumed Shorthand Snr has been relegated to the back yard.

Shorthand himself was unavailable for comment, it is rumoured that he has spent most of January driving beyond ‘reasonable distances’ permitted or advised for exercise in order to selfishly go walking and snowboarding.

Although Shorthand has a history of flouting absurd ministerial decrees (Exclusive reported in LS  03/10/2020), it is not known whether he is doing this just to show he ‘doesn’t give a flying fuck’ about lockdown rules or in protest at a grounding handed out, fairly, if some accounts are to be believed, by Shorthand Snr in 1983 over an underage drinking incident which at the time caused some embarrassment to the family as the local Constabulary and family GP were involved.

The grounding has never been formally lifted.

387349 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to shorthand, 6, #125 of 1420 🔗

You’ve been self isolating for far to long

387353 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Cecil B, 5, #126 of 1420 🔗

… I’ve time on my hands…..

387350 ▶▶ Annie, replying to shorthand, 7, #127 of 1420 🔗

I’ve started the day with a big big laugh. May your hand never grow longer.

387356 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Annie, 1, #128 of 1420 🔗

My pleasure Annie

387360 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to shorthand, 4, #129 of 1420 🔗

More please!

387359 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to shorthand, #130 of 1420 🔗

Aberdeenshire? 1983? drinking incident? soccer?

Easy – ECWC!

387364 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to Hugh, 2, #131 of 1420 🔗

Bo’ness Boys Club Disco 1983…. And what an incident it was. Last night was the Aberdeenshire 2021 incident. Baw Baws now….

387623 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to shorthand, 2, #132 of 1420 🔗

This is adorable! Thanks very much.

387853 ▶▶ Edward, replying to shorthand, 2, #133 of 1420 🔗

No idea what that’s all about, but for steam train enthusiasts the Bo’ness and Kinneil Railway is worth a visit (if it ever opens again).

387355 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 63, #134 of 1420 🔗

I’ve just been for a jaunt around the comment sections of Lockdown Sceptic’s favourite rag, The Daily Telegraph. What a sewer. Full of apoplectic zombies shrieking that the EU is “trying to steal our jabs,” coupled with mushy praise for the Führer Johnson and the head of the vaccines task force (and unashamed crony) Kate Bingham.

Interesting then that the continued fallout from Brexit and the purported theft of these experimental, unlicensed vaccines led by France and Germany is drawing out far more incandescence than the continued house arrest of 67 million people, the destruction of the economy, the ruination of our childrens’ education, the transformation of our society into a hostile, Stasi state and the most terrible loss of quality life years directly due to government policies in our country’s history.

I can only hope that the vast bulk of these people are comfortably retired with nothing else to do but clutch their pearls over utterly trivial matters.

387365 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 16, #135 of 1420 🔗

The DT evidently has human readers and zombie readers. Both have money. Both do comments. The DT has to be ‘faithful to both’, like Monmouth.

387611 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Scotty87, 20, #136 of 1420 🔗

There’s no doubt now if you look at a lot of these daily front page headlines that there is some sort of shadowy discussion group talk behind the scenes with editors to constantly be distracting attention by switching the focus of daily ‘outrage’. Absolutely and cynically planned diverting attention away from the botch ups in ensuring adequate numbers of new customs officers post Brexit and inherent problems little reported and, away from their own constant mistakes . A Czech friend whose parents resided under the Warsaw Pact era find it baffling why so many people here seem to be believing the Govs line and MSM. Like her parents she’s always had the attitude that all politicians are liars and not be trusted only some less so than others and any State owned media by its very nature is always 90% propoganda.

387357 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 62, #137 of 1420 🔗

In 1972 Idi Amin expelled 60,000 Ugandan asians and many came to the UK for a better fairer life. Just after Christmas our son and family, including our twin grandsons went to Uganda for a 3 year work commitment. Since arriving in Kampala the grandsons have started at a play-school and the family have been enjoying social gatherings with other families. It is a strange situations and a complete reversal where in order to enjoy any sort of normality in life you have to leave London and re-locate to Uganda!

387366 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #138 of 1420 🔗

I should join them asap, Steve!

387371 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #139 of 1420 🔗

Mikey Mikes parents arrived here from Uganda

Mike now wants to deploy the tactics of Amin in the UK

387965 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #140 of 1420 🔗

Has she been seen shopping for oversized fridges yet? I hear Beko do a good model.

387380 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #141 of 1420 🔗

I can well believe that Uganda is more family friendly than Britain. It reminds me of the mother who fled Britain with her children because of problems with the notorious family courts (she had done nothing wrong) and found a warm welcome in Turkish Cyprus.

387485 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #142 of 1420 🔗

yes, the third world is going to be the last place to be reached by the boot stamping on the human face forever- and some slither of hope remains that it may never get there. And all those boat-loads of migrants: the traffic is really going in the wrong direction now

388055 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #143 of 1420 🔗

Unfortunately, China’s boot prints can be seen all over Third World resources.

There’s no escaping the shitshow. Besides, we’ve got front seat tickets.

388238 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #144 of 1420 🔗

I think it’s disgraceful how China are building schools in Africa. They should be building military bases like Murica does.

387358 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #145 of 1420 🔗

Residents of care homes are said to be self isolating

Hmm! The guards lock the doors and the residents are not allowed in or out

Using that rationale the prisoners of Auschwitz could be described as self isolating

387363 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 13, #146 of 1420 🔗

Of course. They were sent there for their own safety, in case that tiresome ailment called Living started to trouble them.The treatment was 99.99% effective. A few inmates survived, but that wasn’t due to a lack of zeal on tbeir protectors’ part.

387372 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 29, #147 of 1420 🔗

I think the whole concept of ‘care homes’ will be questioned by the next generation of older people. I think there will be a growing number who will take the Amy Winehouse line, ‘they told me to go to a care home, I said I won’t go’. My 91 year old aunt has her box of pills and bottle of booze ready for the day when anyone tries to condem her to a care home. The present older generation have been surprisingly acquiescent and accepting of being bundled into care but I think that is changing.
My wife’s uncle was forced into a care home, he drove them crazy by proving an expert escape artist, he did not last long in the care home system! We are now being driven by relentless propaganda to be injected by dubious vaccines and ask no questions, the corollary to that will be when people turn round and demand a jab to end their life at the time of their choosing. I think one result of this current hoo-haa will be that there is an increasing call for people to have an end of life option.

387377 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #148 of 1420 🔗

Shot by a jealous husband is the top exit option although harder to manage as time goes on.

387381 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #149 of 1420 🔗

Partly because if you sneeze out of place, let alone shoot some bugger, the bastards take your license away. Nanny state gone mad!!!

387406 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #150 of 1420 🔗

Or crash a fast car, like Desmond Llewellyn?

387379 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #151 of 1420 🔗

I will be making it clear to my family that I will never forgive them if they stick me in a home. I was extremely fortunate to be a lifelong friend of the headteacher of my first school. He drowned himself after being diagnosed with Parkinson’s, what a brave and generous man he was.

387387 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, 21, #152 of 1420 🔗

I mentioned, half joking, a final boat trip to a neighbour. A few days later she said after sharing the idea with a few friends that I needed a bigger boat.

387405 ▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 22, #153 of 1420 🔗

So, those who think care homes are a questionable concept – who do you think should be caring for my 89 year old, doubly incontinent husband with severe dementia, who has not known who I am for several years, let alone has the capacity to commit suicide? What’s your solution, what experience have you had of this kind of situation?

387413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to optocarol, 17, #154 of 1420 🔗

My mum had a stroke and was in a care home for some months before she died, this was part funded by us and part funded by the NHS, there will always need to be some care for people in a severe condition.

However, I have a friend from the work retirement group who was put into a care home when she came out of hospital following a broken hip. She would have been quite capable of living in her own place with some support but the hard pressed local authority adult social care team found the easiest option was to bundle her into a home where she was then forgotten by the system and rapidly became institutionalised so that a return to her home became increasingly unlikely. Of course in the present situation I have not seen her for nearly a year but I expect she has deteriorated further.

For many of the present elderly generation it did not occur to them to need to think about how to cope with extreme old age and so they were unprepared when the situation arose. Many of the next generation down have realised that this is going to be a problem and are actively considering the matter in advance and making plans and decisions now about the possible future situation.

387420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to optocarol, 12, #155 of 1420 🔗

I really feel for your situation.
In my experience of care homes (all of 3, so pretty limited) the vast majority of residents were like your poor husband.
However, there were a small minority of residents who were still in full mental control (like my 96 year old aunt, my mother in law and my own 96 year old mother). They all hated being in the home, but apart from my mother last summer, they realised that their alternatives were non existent.
For the vast majority of residents who need constant nursing care, there is no easy alternative.

387434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to optocarol, 14, #156 of 1420 🔗

My half joking conversation with my neighbour followed the deaths of both my parents in NHS hospitals. My father’s at 90 hastened by a pointless lumbar puncture. He was kicked out of NHS care as we rushed to convert his house to cope with his sudden inability to walk after the lumbar puncture. He endured a month in an expensive ‘posh’ local care home and finally got back home where with live in care he survived for another 11 months. Not much reward for 70 years as a tax payer including 30+ in the army starting in Burma. Because he hadn’t expected them to live that long (65 years of marriage) he hadn’t made any tax plans and a grateful nation took a further 20+% as a final FU. So the half joke was from a jaundiced frame of mind. I will admit to having softened now that I have grandchildren.

Your situation is horrible and of course you have my sympathy. I pray that I shall have the strength and courage when the time comes.

388085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to optocarol, 1, #157 of 1420 🔗

I think the solution is to have care homes for those who want them, and euthanasia for those that don’t.

I sympathise with you and your husband. Life is sacred and to be cherished, yet we’re more humane to pets.

I’m not naive enough to know such actions aren’t littered with all manner of ethical and spiritual debate but it’s time the government and the adult population grow up and figure out how to deal with this. Doing nothing is unthinkable.

Some mechanism, like a will that bestows money and things, only this one bestows one’s dignity.

I truly wish you well.

387392 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Will, 14, #158 of 1420 🔗

I’ve had it worked out for a long time how to deal with things if it got to that stage – portable barbecues used indoors = carbon monoxide = gone. Even worked out the relevant ppm (parts per million) of carbon monoxide in the air. 1600 ppm = gone within 2 hours. 3200ppm = less than half an hour. 12,000ppm = 1-3 minutes. So just how many portable barbecues does it take to get to 12,000ppm? Remedy to be applied in the case of threat of carehomes/severe chronic illness or, latterly, any attempt to force me to have the vax or discriminate me out of access to things once everyone else is allowed to use them again (because I won’t be having the vax).

387395 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to ElizaP, 14, #159 of 1420 🔗

Good shout. Could get a few burgers done as your final meal. Make sure the chicken is cooked through first though. Love a BBQ, me.

387410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #160 of 1420 🔗

LOL – chicken is out. I’m vegetarian – but there are veggie burgers.

387513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to ElizaP, 5, #161 of 1420 🔗

Don’t forget to silence the CO alarm first.

387613 ▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to ElizaP, 3, #162 of 1420 🔗

That is very useful information.

387997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JASA, 3, #163 of 1420 🔗

I’ve had a long time to think about what to do if ever needed. One of my parents lived with severe chronic ill health (steadily getting worse and worse) for over 30 years and the rest of my family with lots of chronic ill health too. You can imagine that was an object lesson to me of just how much being so unhealthy can cause one to suffer in a variety of ways and I decided then I’d never be in that position. Hence figuring out what to do if ever Mother Nature didn’t co-operate with me and tried to put me in that position. Subsequently updated and amended just-in-case re Lockdown etc. So I started with changing my diet from the way they all eat/ate to being a (genuinely) healthy diet instead and eat very differently indeed to them – but, if all else fails, one way or another – I’ve got it figured what to do.

387935 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to ElizaP, 1, #164 of 1420 🔗

Yes that is the first method on my list

387383 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #165 of 1420 🔗

Yes, I have long been worried that they would start trying to bump off the old. A perhaps inevitable consequence of killing the very young.

387481 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hugh, 8, #166 of 1420 🔗

yes the relaxing of strictures against abortion did indeed turn out to be the beginning of the slippery slope that ended the sanctity of ALL human life

388005 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #167 of 1420 🔗

I presume Hugh meant the “very young” when he used that phrase – and not “foetus that hasn’t been born yet” – as that’s a very different kettle of fish. One of the divisions in the Anti-Lockdown movement is when someone pops up with all sorts of unrelated stuff (like being anti-abortion for instance). Abortion – or otherwise – is absolutely totally unrelated to Lockdown or otherwise. I’m vehemently anti-Lockdown and, on that totally unrelated subject of abortion, I wouldnt have hesitated for one moment if ever my body had pulled an unwanted pregnancy on me. That pregnancy would have gone within days/at most a couple of weeks.

387382 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 3, #168 of 1420 🔗

‘Protective custody’ was the term adopted for those confined at Spandau after the Reichstag fire.

387368 Annie, replying to Annie, 46, #169 of 1420 🔗

Our parliament has oodles
Of spineless, brainj-dead poodles,
But, to ease the pain,
It also has Desmond Swayne.

387658 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, 9, #170 of 1420 🔗

My sister has a sproodle as a pet.
It has not shown much gumption as of yet.
Well may one love a creature with four paws
Without considering it a suitable instigator and guardian of national laws.

387369 Will, replying to Will, 9, #171 of 1420 🔗

Can someone please remind me of the name of the Health and safety instrument that the (fucking) teaching unions invoked to close the schools at the beginning of the month?

387977 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Will, #172 of 1420 🔗

From the Morning Star (not a paper I take (I don’t take any!)):-

“The National Education Union (NEU) will inform its members that it is not safe to enter schools before mid-January given the government’s loss of control over the rising tide of Covid-19 infections.
It will advise them to refuse to enter their workplaces under Section 44 of the Health and Safety Act , on the grounds that the government has not taken steps to ensure schools are safe environments for pupils or staff.”

387373 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 10, #173 of 1420 🔗

Don’t know why everyone has it in for BLM. Lesbian Marxist witches, what’s not to like? A quick look through the list of Nobel Peace Prize awards reveals some corkers. EU, Barack Obama, Al Gore, Yasser Arafat, Henry Kissinger, others depending on one’s politics.

387436 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #174 of 1420 🔗

Burn Loot Murder – after the Bidentard Communist coup all quiet now isn’t it?
Anti-White racism has a lot of Establishment support of course.
Al Gore the Globalist Eco Whore, Arafat the Muslim playing with his boys, Kissinger and his de-population schemes; OClowna funding the Muslim Jihad……some patterns can be identified by the igNobel prize.

387482 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 4, #175 of 1420 🔗

Biden Likes Minors #NotMyPeadophile

387551 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jinks, 5, #176 of 1420 🔗

What is it about Biden and minors? Is it the dirty black faces, the hard hats, the cap lamps, THE CLOSE HARMONY SINGING?

I just don’t get it…..

387610 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #177 of 1420 🔗

He likes the smell of their hair and the way it feels when they stroke his hairy legs.

387384 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 55, #178 of 1420 🔗

Dear Deirdre

The vast majority of the people I speak to now say they ‘have had enough’ and want lockdown to end

They are not sceptics, they are not zealots, they just ‘want it to end’

I get a very warm feeling inside as I watch them suffer. I reply ‘I’m Ok with it and I could do another year of it no problem’ My comment appears to inflict even more pain on them

I am however serious, I could do another year of this and I am enjoying watching them suffer

Is this normal?

387401 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 29, #179 of 1420 🔗

dear Cecil, do not feel guilty about taking some petty pleasure in the vilest of places – since there are so few real sources of pleasure left to you, you must take what slim pickings you can get, to sustain your spirits through the lean times. Ordinarily, I am sure you would not have dreamed of stooping this low, but desperate times call for desperate measures. amidst all our suffering, we can in future look forward to such spectacles as Matt Hancock being thrown under the bus, comfortable furloughers being thrown on to the scrapheap, to name but a few…. stay sane, Deirdre

387986 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #180 of 1420 🔗

Matt Hancock being thrown under the bus” Can I recommend the most suitable bus to be chosen for this honour to be the N15 from Westminster to Becontree because Becontree is completely beyond Barking.

387388 SilentP, 9, #181 of 1420 🔗


Loathe them or ignore them – you can’t like them

(Dedicated to Douglas Adams)

387390 Annie, replying to Annie, 33, #182 of 1420 🔗

In last night’s dream I seemed to see
The loathsome Wankok on TV,
Where, to encourage the zombie mob,
He underwent an anal swab.

387399 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Annie, 12, #183 of 1420 🔗

Was the swab taken with a q-tip or a garden rake?

387432 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PeeDubbya, 4, #184 of 1420 🔗


387445 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to FerdIII, 3, #185 of 1420 🔗


387458 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to PeeDubbya, 8, #186 of 1420 🔗

A red hot poker is the traditional English implement (Edward II).

387503 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mikewaite, 2, #187 of 1420 🔗

The baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells was a proponent too for debtors.

387494 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to PeeDubbya, 4, #188 of 1420 🔗

Red hot poker

388170 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Annie, 1, #189 of 1420 🔗

…and he ENJOYED it.

387393 Christopher, replying to Christopher, 44, #190 of 1420 🔗

Ok this is me with my tin foil hat on but does anyone else think this EU vaccines dispute is part Psyop to create the impression there is a huge EU wide demand for their wonder jabs ?

387398 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Christopher, 19, #191 of 1420 🔗

it’s totally psyop. they’re just playing hard to get. the appearance of a glut would depress demand.

387448 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 18, #192 of 1420 🔗

They do it every Christmas, rationing supplies of the must-have (expensive) toy so that every kid pesters its parents into buying the thing.

387460 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Annie, 9, #193 of 1420 🔗

The Dreaded Brussel sprout shortage every Christmas .

387988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Christopher, 1, #194 of 1420 🔗

Think of the greenhouse gas emissions this shortage saves though.

388106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #195 of 1420 🔗

I hate Brussels , the bloating after Christmas dinner is frankly is too painful .

387404 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Christopher, 4, #196 of 1420 🔗

Yes I thought that straightaway

387424 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Janette, 10, #197 of 1420 🔗

I think there is probably some sort of dispute but it is being ramped up here in the media to provoke two types of reaction,
1 : To get Boomer bulldog / spitfire patriot types to not want those ” bloody Germans ” getting the vaccine before bloody well me .
2 : Europhile / Remainer types to think ” Well the French and Germans are far smarter than all the awful gammon xenophobes here and if they want the vaccine so bad it must safe and I want mine Now “.

387408 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Christopher, 9, #198 of 1420 🔗


I think it may also be a distraction tactic

Europe even among some fairly hardcore sceptics is still a divisive issue

I tend to think the vaccine row is fairly irrelevant

387449 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Christopher, 9, #199 of 1420 🔗

Yes, classic sales technique. In a couple of months people will actually be fighting over the poison.

387475 ▶▶ mj, replying to Christopher, 9, #200 of 1420 🔗

Europe are scared of other countries now wanting to leave – seeing as how we are now out and not yet a basket case despite the governments best efforts . So any political manoeuvering to put them off will be used

387492 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to mj, 7, #201 of 1420 🔗

This is true also , my Mrs’s European friends and some of her remainer colleagues in the city are now looking at this whole situation and thinking that maybe Brexit was a good idea after all .
So that trying to punish the UK seems to be back firing on the EU if they want to put off any other member states from leaving.

387920 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Christopher, 2, #202 of 1420 🔗

I think the vaccines could potentially be a very divisive issue in the EU. Strong indications that CzR, for instance, and I guess some other East/Central European countries, will not have a high take up, and they may take very unkindly to being pressurized through either ‘vax-passport’ or conditions attached to distribution of ‘Covid relief funds’.

387486 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Christopher, 7, #203 of 1420 🔗

By looking at the media headlines, it also has the advantage of portraying Boris as a hero, and ‘genius’ to quote Street Porter. Then amongst all this news, hide the bad news of excess deaths from lockdowns.

387549 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Hattie, 3, #204 of 1420 🔗

Christ it would take all the propaganda powers of Edward Bernays to get the Blond Psycho Buffoon looking like a hero now . 😉

387567 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Christopher, 9, #205 of 1420 🔗

The fucker has plenty of useful idiots like Wancock and Williamson to chuck under the bus when it all goes tits. Plus he has the get out clause of his supposed hospitalisation.

387487 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Christopher, 9, #206 of 1420 🔗

Check out James Corbett’s reports from last year where he details artificial scarcity tactics used to get people clamouring for things. . . . same old playbook

387531 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Natalie Shay, 6, #207 of 1420 🔗

Remember the great toilet roll shortage….

387489 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Christopher, 13, #208 of 1420 🔗

Don’t be silly of course it is.

I think the vaccines are tanking. 40% want it in some countries so they say.

Matketing 101. Bluff scarcity increase demand. They are setting up life long yearly vaccines… they need to lie big. And so they are.

387555 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Christopher, 7, #209 of 1420 🔗

The brainwashed mindless duckparks think that getting THE JAB is like getting a new car, or a new gaming PC, or a new sofa, or a new conservatory.

387576 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Two-Six, 7, #210 of 1420 🔗

I Know right , I despair at some my friends and work colleagues blase attitude to the jab . Well I had my Polio and BCG when I was a kid and i’m fine so what’s the problem? .
Also many have been heavy drinkers and drug users so I also hear ” after what I have put into my body a little jab isn’t gonna make any difference “.
Jesus wept !!

387581 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #211 of 1420 🔗

What a bunch of Mellon farmers.

387628 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Christopher, 4, #212 of 1420 🔗

If it is a dramatic production (and I doubt it, because politicians don’t ever really need a reason to be childish twats), their simplistic thinking would probably go like this:

“Scepticism is just the Brexit tinfoil crowd causing trouble again (because Twitter says so, and if you read Twitter then you have your finger on the pulse). Maybe if we make the jab seem anti-EU somehow, the Brexit crowd will be tricked into taking it because they hate the EU so much.”

387649 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #213 of 1420 🔗

The awful racist gammons will lap it up if they think they getting one over on the French .

387734 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Christopher, 6, #214 of 1420 🔗

Boris. “I have a cunning plan.”
Whitty. “You wouldn’t recognise a cunning plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of Big Ben singing ‘Cunning plans are here again.”

387917 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Christopher, 2, #215 of 1420 🔗

Create the impression of shortage? In order to stimulate demand.

Said to be an effective psychological trick.

387407 Julian, replying to Julian, 37, #216 of 1420 🔗

The article about masks ATL lumps them in with other forms of “labelling”. They are a form of labelling, but they are much more. Wearing a label doesn’t stop you from breathing properly, or getting air on your skin, or speaking clearly, or hearing others clearly, nor does it obscure most of the face, preventing basic human communication. Masks dehumanize and invade personal bodily functions.

387411 ▶▶ alw, replying to Julian, 13, #217 of 1420 🔗


387425 ▶▶▶ tazzy, replying to alw, 3, #218 of 1420 🔗

Does anyone have a link to the study? I have tried to find it without success so far.

387441 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, 4, #219 of 1420 🔗

If this is true it means that masks are murder.
I’m not assuming that it is true, yet.

387764 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 4, #220 of 1420 🔗

Very true. Well known fact that cancers thrive in low oxygen environments.

Many people with cancer go for regular hyperbaric oxygen sessions

387491 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, 5, #221 of 1420 🔗

SAGE banging on about masks in being compulsory in outside public places https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9202691/SAGE-urges-No10-make-face-masks-compulsory-outdoors.html

i fear this may well be a price that we are forced to pay to ease restrictions.

387664 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to isobar, 10, #222 of 1420 🔗

But wearing masks whilst easing restrictions is tautological. They are inherently restrictive, affecting your ability to breathe. In the grand scheme of things, they’re only easing the economy slightly in exchange for restricting your breath. Not much of an easing.

387409 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 31, #223 of 1420 🔗

I am trying to imagine a world where China was not the first country to realise that there was a new SARS virus…presumably that is what the CCP were aiming for for a while anyway by denying its existence and silencing the poor Doctors who raised the alarm. I am sure that Li Wenliang was murdered.
I think it’s pretty obvious even without an investigation that the virus came from the bat caves research via the Wuhan lab, but the CCP seem determined to avoid this by obstructing the investigators and destroying research. Is Shi Zhengli still alive?
Anyway… I think the primary motivation for declaring that asymptomatic transmission commonly exists was just to deflect attention away from themselves in the vain hope that they could make out that it came from elsewhere? And now we’re stuck with this fake supposition.
I went to my GP with precise covid symptoms just over a year ago and they freely admitted that it’s was just a respiratory virus and that they’d been seeing loads of it last winter…
They didn’t tell me to isolate, wear a mask, avoid vulnerable people etc! When I was still struggling to exercise weeks later they didn’t call it “long virus”, just told me it was normal and to take it slowly. It worked.
Was anyone in the UK suggesting we ought we test me? Try to study and isolate this virus to even find out what it was? Report my symptoms to PHE in case there was an epidemic?
No. Nobody gave a monkeys. Not because I’m otherwise fit & healthy but because the situation wasn’t significant overall. I can well believe that it would have entirely gone under the radar. Until maybe April when it would’ve been called flu.
Without the care home fiasco it would’ve gone entirely unnoticed. We’d have spent the next six months mingling and gathering herd immunity and this winter it would have just gone down as the same “winter pressures”.
Can anyone else envisage how it would’ve been different?

387428 ▶▶ Julian, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #224 of 1420 🔗

It’s hard to know why they went mad with the lockdown, but I strongly doubt many/any other countries would have tried it had they not been first.

Ferguson et al were inspired by Italy who were inspired by China

387497 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, 7, #225 of 1420 🔗

Suggestion that as well as Fauci’s GOF research they were doing bio weapons research. So that the leak scared CCP. Then they spotted the benefits in helping them deal with HK and then everybody else.

CCP also got their pet WHO to recommend it and testing, testing, testing …

387824 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #226 of 1420 🔗

I can tell an almost identical story of going to the GP with covid symptoms in early January last year. And being told. “You have a virus, there’s a lot of it about.” Many of my friends were telling much the same story. It took a couple of weeks to get rid of the barking cough etc, and then pretty much back to normal. That is until the shit hit the fan in China. Dumping us all into this dystopian nightmare.
Oh for the days when for most of us, this virus would have been treated with the advice take a couple of Paracetamol every four hours and drink plenty of fluids. Come back in a couple of weeks if there is no improvement.

387979 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Burlington, 1, #227 of 1420 🔗

My daughter took my grandson Aand E three times in January. He was listless, high temp, coughing non stop. A rash. Ist diagnosis. Scarlet fever, second and third …A virus

387414 Will, replying to Will, 13, #228 of 1420 🔗

I have read the John Lee Spectator article and an article by Matt Ridley in the Telegraph suggesting lockdown might prevent a weakening of the virus. Can anyone point me to any other pieces about this theory, please?

387429 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Will, 16, #229 of 1420 🔗

and many others, the above link is the compendium of Ivor Cummins, bete noir for the Twatturd chattering cult of Covidiots. He is an IT engineer (like myself). We have a binary view of life – either it is true, or bullshit. And the LDs are bullshit.

LDs are destructive for many reasons – one is they derange the natural life cycle of a virus which is killed by the natural environment and your natural immune system, both of which are also negatively impacted by LDs. Keep in mind that many diseases and problems are also psychological, so creating an island prison will lead to increased health issues and deaths.

387442 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 10, #230 of 1420 🔗

As Donne said, no man is an island.
Not until now, that is.

387451 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 8, #231 of 1420 🔗

Yes little islands in an island prison. We will see past March what the real theme is – if the LDs are not lifted and this ended (completely), then we will have our answer.

Wasn’t the magic Vaxx the ‘way out’? Seems they have changed that theme already as well. If not the way out, why are they so intent on vaxxing everyone? And if it does work, why the LDs etc etc?

387490 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FerdIII, 6, #232 of 1420 🔗

An archipelago, that feels familiar.

387446 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 3, #233 of 1420 🔗

Also on the right of this site are links on the same subject eg https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-lockdowns-damage-our-immunity/

387474 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Will, 4, #234 of 1420 🔗

It is not a theory, just the way natural selection works

387562 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #235 of 1420 🔗

It makes perfect sense to me I just like to be able to link to scientific papers. The paper on excess deaths in Sweden V Norway is an absolute argument killer. Something similar on the mutation of the virus and lockdown would be handy to have up my sleeve.

387417 p02099003, 16, #236 of 1420 🔗

Re: care homes.
”care homes” is a generic term and really shouldn’t be used.
There are two types, residential and nursing homes.
In the former the residents are relatively fit and well but have difficulty with coping alone for many reasons that makes domiciliary care inappropriate.
In the latter case residents have complex needs that require 24 hour care, this could be due to brain injury such as stroke or trauma, dementia of various types, learning disabilities or mental health disorders.

When the NHS decided to empty their beds it was the residential home residents that were discharged with the possibility that they were infected and infectious.
Personally I wouldn’t want to live in a residential care home but if I developed dementia with complex needs then it would be appropriate for me to be in a nursing home (bearing in mind that I would likely be oblivious to the fact due to the dementia)

387422 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #238 of 1420 🔗

He doesn’t care! Just a letter written by his PR team (Carrie?). Stand up and end the lockdowns now.

387427 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #239 of 1420 🔗

Such a patronising letter.

387433 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #240 of 1420 🔗

Fucking tool. He could at least have the guts to admit that the government was humiliated, again, by the common room commissars of the teaching unions.

387463 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 12, #241 of 1420 🔗

The teachers just used his death porn propaganda against him.Why should they go to work when there are loads of deadly new variants about.
Same with the 100,000 deaths.
They were inflated to scare people and are now being used against the government.

387607 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #242 of 1420 🔗

Just shows how weak this government is. Can’t stand up to scientists, can’t stand up to teaching unions.

It’s like the 1970s all over again – who governs Britain?

387787 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #243 of 1420 🔗

Well said. I remember the union powers and the destruction they wreaked in the 70 ‘sorry

387792 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, #244 of 1420 🔗

Omit the sorry word dont know how to do an edit

387419 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 5, #245 of 1420 🔗

Has anyone else yet wondered whether we might end up having to have demonstrations outside places to shame them into changing – if they do open up, but discriminate against letting us in (ie because of not having had the vax)? I’ve got visions of having to stand outside a concert venue holding up a placard saying “I am Rosa Parks”? (ie reference to the woman in USA that refused to give up her seat on a bus – and then it all kicked off from there).

387423 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ElizaP, 5, #246 of 1420 🔗

Rosa was Black. You are likely White. The Establishment will arrest and maybe soon shoot you. If you were Rosa they would bend their knees and give your genitals a loving tongue wash. Not so if you are not Black or Muslim. And most sheeple know this. So I don’t expect an uprising – only if the footie is cancelled maybe.

387498 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to FerdIII, 13, #247 of 1420 🔗

Rosa Parks was a publicity stunt and she was not the first. 9 months before Park’s arrest a brave 15 year girl called Claudette Colvin took a stand and was arrested. However the NAACP were not interested as she was not good PR.. lippy, unmarried and pregnant. Parks was already an NCAAP activist and a perfect role model. So her protest was staged managed.
Listen to “Paul Sinha’s history revision” on R4extra last Monday. This superb show covers off Claudette’s story which shows how everything can be manipulated

388029 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, #248 of 1420 🔗

One correct assumption there – and the thought literally hadnt crossed my mind of getting in any trouble whatsoever for that – other than, possibly, something like a £200 fine or an aggressive police person with baton out (on everyone regardless) – which is far from likely re the baton part of that in the quiet little Welsh town I live in these days. Fine would be my worst case analysis. Shooting? We are in Britain here….

387421 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 25, #249 of 1420 🔗

Swayne was and is right. Not just about ICUs or deaths in Nov 2020; but about the entire circus of fraud. A normal person would ask for an end to end data audit. From the MCCD all the way through the many data hops to the ONS. Validate the data. Is the data valid and accurate? Or, during the hops is it being manipulated and manually rendered? In analysing the data for 5 yrs my conclusion was that the system itself was completely corrupted by manual intervention and the convenient csv files on the ONS site are manual creations, not out of a central data warehouse.

Audit the flipping death data. Now.
Audit the flipping PCR testing process. Now.

387465 ▶▶ pcr_bs, replying to FerdIII, 4, #250 of 1420 🔗

I really want to take down this Ian Fraser chap.

On 15 January, speaking on Del Bigtree’s anti-vaxx show The HighWire, Conservative MP Sir Desmond Swayne suggested government-imposed lockdowns and mandatory masks “comes down to social control”. Bigtree is one of the US’s leading anti-vaxx campaigners and conspiracy theorists.

I don’t know much about Swayne, but Del Bigtree is not anti-vax, he is safe-vax.

Highly recommend watching Del zooming with a Fox news reporter talking about safe vax and how the covid vax only lessens symptoms, doesn’t stop you from getting it or spreading it.

Starting around the 10 minute mark https://www.pscp.tv/TheHighWire/1ZkKzepjOrRxv?fbclid=IwAR0jLBFFYGcZ7EaUbgmUitOixYSKKemfFFlsvZzt-MS7sXxAkhp25vafs68

I wanted to throw my computer across the room watching this interview.

387469 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to pcr_bs, 9, #251 of 1420 🔗

Fascists (Covidiots in this case) always use simpleton slogans.

So if someone like say Bigtree states that experimental RNA concoctions cannot be declared safe by definition; or that flu vaxxes have never stopped transmission; or that your immune system esp if under age 60 is much better than a vaxx…suddenly you are anti-vaxx or a murderer.

The flu is not rabies. Vaxx’s for flu viruses might help 10-30%, neutral for most, will injure and kill some. Many studies which look at vaxx’s taken by the same person over many years conclude that the vaxx weakens your immune system and makes you far sicker when you get the flu.

So we who are vaxx critics are the real scientists.

387681 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to pcr_bs, 6, #252 of 1420 🔗

Lockdown Skeptics, The Highwire and a couple of other Facebook groups are my only sanity through all this. You’re absolutely right. A couple of episodes into The Highwire, and you’ll be shaking with withdrawal from MSM, then you’ll adjust your perspectacles, never vote Labour again, and face the REALITY with a jaunty step. The journalism on there is much more balanced.

Also got to big up living in Lincolnshire, where everyone is judgemental and passive-aggressive, but doing whatever the fuck they want anyway. Food is still plentiful, (if a little brassica heavy). The air is clean and we all know the NHS is shit. We aren’t prepared for Armageddon because we have always lived the Armageddon that is complete neglect from both political parties.

388172 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to TheHandbag, #253 of 1420 🔗

Ay up me duck!! 😀

387426 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 50, #254 of 1420 🔗

Letter from the Daily Telegraph 30th January 2021
Governing by Twitter
SIR – The attack by Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, on people “turning up at St Pancras Eurostar terminal with their skis” ( report, January 28 ) shows how a small story – picked up from Twitter and amplified without verification – makes it to the Dispatch Box in the House of Commons.

My son was one of those at St Pancras. He was trying to get to his ski-teacher training course in Switzerland – which equips him with qualifications for a career. The tweet came from a train manager called Justin (no surname given), and because he posted a picture of ski equipment no one bothered to find out the truth.

This happened well before the latest restrictions but education was and is a legitimate reason for travel.

Are politicians now using government by Twitter, relying on fake news to justify their decisions?

Sophie Durlacher
London W14

387431 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #255 of 1420 🔗

Fits a pattern; fake models; fake tests; fake dead count; fake news…..fake experts, fake politicians, pretty useless Patel etc etc.

387480 ▶▶ mj, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 14, #256 of 1420 🔗

i am sorry , but why couldnt the writers son do the ski instructor course at home ? via zoom or should that be ski-pe (boom boom). We had lots of snow last weekend. and he can always use the stairs. imagine how many 90 year gnomes in switzerland he will kill .

387430 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 107, #257 of 1420 🔗

Enough! We are NOT “lockdown sceptics”, we are NOT “covid deniers”, we are NOT “anti vaxxers”. We fundamentally dispute the morality of imprisoning healthy people, and of removing their right to work, see loved ones and access health care, and of placing them under any kind of surveillance. We question how the definition of “covid death” is reached and how they are counted. We want FULL transparency on all vaccine data and INFORMED consent. We do NOT accept the official narrative or the response to this virus. We are sick of trying to argue with FACTS and DATA and ETHICS against people who spout a script driven by groupthink agenda. We are the people FOR the people. We care about LIFE not DEATH. Dead people do not have rights. Living people DO. We are the RESISTANCE MOVEMENT for THE LIVING and, without doubt, another movement that will – one day – be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. STAY SANE. STAY STRONG. STAY HUMAN.

387438 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #258 of 1420 🔗

Well said.

We question how the definition of “covid death” is reached and how they are counted. We want FULL transparency on all vaccine data and INFORMED consent. We do NOT accept the official narrative or the response to this virus”

387444 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #259 of 1420 🔗

The site for human beings.

387453 ▶▶ iane, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #260 of 1420 🔗

With you 100% – except that the Nobel Peace Prize has been corrupted beyond recovery. Obama and the gnome Greta would not make good company!

387514 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #261 of 1420 🔗


387593 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #262 of 1420 🔗

I approve of this message.

387609 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #263 of 1420 🔗

Hear, hear!!!!

387806 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #264 of 1420 🔗

Thank you, thank you, thank you for not saying’stay safe’ I detest that expression

387854 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #265 of 1420 🔗

Yes, it’s the new ‘Heil Hitler’, as someone posted here a few months ago.

388675 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #266 of 1420 🔗

“thank you for not saying ’stay safe’ I detest that expression”

Oh yes, a thousand times yes.

388455 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #267 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps we are ‘FREEDOM FIGHTERS’

387435 isobar, replying to isobar, 10, #268 of 1420 🔗

True cost of lockdowns in terms of lives lost coming out and the commentators are not pleased! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9203279/Government-estimates-220-000-true-death-toll-pandemic.html

387461 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to isobar, 3, #269 of 1420 🔗

46 K dead from the LDs and not from CV 19. Matches other estimates from the UK Actuaries and others. My own in Dec was 25 K so I was off. 100 K total to die. MSM wil need to bury this asap – blame these deaths on their flu.

By the end of next month the chaos in hospitals and care homes will have led to 46,000 avoidable deaths, Department of Health research has suggested.

387479 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to FerdIII, 11, #270 of 1420 🔗

Government and NHS getting a right kicking in the comments section. Top rated comment (1250 upticks) so far is ‘ The next wave will be those poor souls who havent had the mental health help theyve so desperately needed, the people who havent had any help with their businesses and those who have been fobbed off by doctors who have issues that could have so easily been fixed.’

387557 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to isobar, 2, #271 of 1420 🔗

Comes with the usual disclaimer that deaths would have been far higher without any lockdown, which of course is pure model-based speculation. Facts such as 35,000 fewer cancer treatments last year can’t be argued with.

387437 C S, replying to C S, 20, #272 of 1420 🔗

I just cannot get my head around the logic of what is written in the MSM about those dying after having a vaccine. On the one hand it is claimed there is no link between deaths and having had a jab recently because (in the example of care home residents) they were elderly and already vulnerable. i.e. they would have died soon anyway. And yet should someone in the same care home die after a positive test, despite them being “elderly and already vulnerable” it is claimed that “its COVID wot dun it” as though they would have otherwise lived for another 20 years. Especially interesting is Gibraltar where deaths “from COVID” have spiked since vaccines were rolled out (obviously just a coincidence…) and yet the following is written:

The Gibraltar Government nevertheless revealed that six of the 11,073 people vaccinated had since died for reasons unrelated to the vaccine. “There is no evidence to link these to the vaccination in any way,” No.6 said. According to the statement, the six people were all aged between 70 and 100 and appear to have contracted Covid-19 before they were jabbed, although the infection had not been detected prior to vaccination. All six were found to be positive in the days following vaccination. Five of them were residents of the Elderly Residential Services facilities.”

Ok, so despite the use of PCR (probably) testing to detect the slightest hint of viral matter, nothing was found pre-vaccine. But they “must” have still had it anyway because they tested positive after having the vaccine and there is no way on earth that this could have been triggered by the vaccine. It truly beggars belief that people can read this and not wonder WTF!

When you try and explain this (lack of) logic to people their eyes just glaze over. Unbelievable. As soon as you try and point this out you normally get accused of being an “anti-vaxxer”, of course.

My favourite quote from this particular article was “ Statements to the contrary on social media are entirely untrue [and] originate from discredited individuals and organisations.”. And in fact, just to hammer the message home that all is well with the vaccine (nothing to see here, move along), the tail end of the article says “ There is no evidence of any deaths in Gibraltar arising from inoculations with the Pfizer vaccine,” Mr Picardo said.
“It is untrue to suggest otherwise and people should not believe the dangerous nonsense being put out on social media by discredited individuals that suggests the opposite.”

So, got it guys, stop raising concerns about the vaccines, it is totally fine (becoz Mr Picardo sed so) 🙂

387455 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to C S, 13, #273 of 1420 🔗

On perusing the DM for my sins, I noted a similar story regarding Maureen Lipman’s partner. The headline stated he died of a covid related illness, which on further reading was found to have parkinsons, was in his eighties, but tested positive days after his vaccine…mmmm.

387477 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to C S, 13, #274 of 1420 🔗

In my unqualified opinion, the Pfizer and Moderna jabs should never have left the lab.

387872 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #275 of 1420 🔗

Same could be said about SARS-CoV-2.

387488 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to C S, 5, #276 of 1420 🔗

You are obviously a discredited individual.

387507 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #277 of 1420 🔗

LOL when are we going to start a line of ‘discredited individual’ merchandise? – T-shirts, hoodies, baseball caps, mugs….

387522 ▶▶ jos, replying to C S, 4, #278 of 1420 🔗

I’ve spoken to a care worker who said there have been some deaths in one care home she visits following the vaccine but that they weren’t tested before being vaccinated because if they had tested positive they wouldn’t have been able to have it! What kind of logic is that? Does anyone know if this is a general policy not to test before the vaccines are given? Could the real reason be that any adverse outcome can be explained by saying they must have had covid?

387879 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jos, 3, #279 of 1420 🔗

Vaccine shouldn’t be given within 14 days of positive test. So just don’t given them the test! Simple.
And possibly criminally negligent.

387835 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to C S, 4, #280 of 1420 🔗

I absolutely agree – there is something fishy here that surely the most dense individual would question how come deaths rose after having the vaxx. There seem to be several stories re care homes and especially the Gibraltar case study which merit full investigation/autopies etc.
I won’t hold my breath for the authorities to do this – unless they are doing it hush hush in the background but if proved would never be able to release the results.

387439 Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #281 of 1420 🔗

A young Dr. Vernon Coleman on ITV regional news – July 1981



Here is a young Dr. Vernon Coleman, better known to some as the “Old Man in a Chair”, on ATV Today (the then ITV regional news service for the midlands) in July 1981. Courtesy of the Media Archive for Central England (MACE).

Description: Dr. Vernon Coleman from Leamington Spa refuses to state the nature of his patients’ illnesses on sick notes. He maintains that illnesses should be confidential and that the notes could ruin a patient’s career. The Department of Health and Social Security, who pay sickness benefits, made a formal complaint and this afternoon Dr Coleman had to appear before a medical committee and was told that he faces a £1,000 fine if he continues to write ‘ill health’ on sick notes. Shots of Dr Vernon Coleman in his surgery and close up shot writing ‘ill health’ on sick note.

387443 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 10, #282 of 1420 🔗

Anyone else confused why Timon’s article was hailed positively as ‘scorching ‘ as the first couple of paragraphs appear to scorn certain sceptical views.

387457 ▶▶ MikeMayUK, replying to Hattie, 14, #283 of 1420 🔗

Well, I’m sure we’re seeing a casedemic caused by wider testing (for a virus I’m sure is now endemic) and false positives from PCR. And excess deaths are measured over a full seasonal year, so looking at month-on-month and same-period-last-year comparisons are meaningless.

And anyone who doesn’t look at what we’re doing to combat a virus that 99.5% of people survive and conclude that it’s an overreaction would seem to me to be highly deluded.

387476 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Hattie, 5, #284 of 1420 🔗

Jonathan Barr.

387525 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hattie, 5, #285 of 1420 🔗

I agree

Not scorching at all

Concedes far too much to the mad idea that covid is exceptional

387526 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Hattie, 6, #286 of 1420 🔗


How on earth could any opponent worth arguing with believe something as patently stupid as “more tests result in more false positives”?

Well given that false positives are expressed as a percentage of tests that’s exactly what happens. I think the writer should stick to his violin.

I stopped reading there. If he can’t get the basics right …

387719 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to A Heretic, 6, #287 of 1420 🔗

I skimmed through today’s post when I saw it was Jonathan Barr. It seems quite up (?) to his usual standard! The supposed rebuttal of the sceptic attack drivel lost me almost immediately; it couldn’t make sense of it.

And what was all that ‘mask pessimism’ and red/green rubbish supposed to be about? Who in their right mind would buy into that?

James Delingpole in Conservative Woman is better value.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-the-grim-milestone-of-100000-covid-deaths-is-nonsense/ MW

388061 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #288 of 1420 🔗

Good old Jimbo!

388404 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A Heretic, #289 of 1420 🔗

I read that a few times because I wondered if it was an error.

388567 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A Heretic, #290 of 1420 🔗

Even if there are very few false positives, it stands to reason that the more tests you conduct, the more false positives you will get.

387579 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Hattie, 6, #291 of 1420 🔗

Yes. The first person I saw who used the phrase ‘casedemic’ was Ivor Cummings. From what we know of the PCR test this was and is a perfectly valid explanation of the daily ‘cases’ propagated as ‘infections’ in the media. I have seen nothing to seriously refute that either but since the rise of the ‘casedemic’ I am now paying less and less attention to the media.

I am not sure what a ‘lockdown sceptic of stature’ is either. Sounds like more groupthink to me but I would consider Cummings one such if such existed.

387718 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Hattie, 4, #292 of 1420 🔗

The problem with the article is the problem with a lot of the above the line stuff on this site. Its apologetic and tries to be too clever. He actually answers iown points but the intro is not good.
With low prevalance ( and at 0.4% its low), the false positives of the PCR test are high. So its correct to say its a testademic. Its also perfectly correct to question a so-called pandemic with an IFR of 0.3%.

388316 ▶▶ rubber duck, replying to Hattie, 2, #293 of 1420 🔗

Thank you for posting this. I found that article unsettling this morning. The truth is, I’ve been feeling for a few weeks now an eerie sense of backtracking from this blog. First, the debate seems to be taking a philosophical turn, slighlty losing touch with reality for me. Next, everyone here starts acting, or rather writing defensive, seeing the appearance of the attacks on lockdown sceptics in the press. I fear that this blog may be losing confidence. After this morning, I almost expect them to write that who doesn’t wear masks is a fool. Also, we haven’t seen an article from Toby in more than a week. I seriously wonder what is going on.

387450 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 12, #294 of 1420 🔗

Reduced hospital bed capacity owing to removal of beds for social distancing? I’ve been in hospital several times as a visitor and a couple as a patient and beds are general already a minimum of about three meters apart. And you could keep the curtains closed between the beds to help.

387603 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MikeMayUK, 3, #295 of 1420 🔗

Keeping the curtains closed? I am sure this is a major step forwards to arresting the transmission of covids.
Keeping patients head under a duvet or pillow might be the next thing to try.

387456 popo says, replying to popo says, 8, #296 of 1420 🔗

“Lockdown Was a Mistake”… It’s official, then.

But Lockdown did exactly what it was supposed to by its proponents – not its ostensible proponents but the real ones, BillandMelinsa Gates and KlausWEF Schwab

387483 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to popo says, 4, #297 of 1420 🔗

The ‘Belindagate’ coinage by one of Ivor Cummins’s interviewees was excellent.

388409 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #298 of 1420 🔗

Even better spelled Billindagate.

387466 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #299 of 1420 🔗

Remember when Hancock stood in Parliament and told us basically, that until Covid was sorted other diseases would have to wait

387495 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 1, #300 of 1420 🔗

Do you have a link?

387502 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #301 of 1420 🔗

It might be on you tube, well documented at the time

387500 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, 9, #303 of 1420 🔗

I know, murdering scum. Why is he still in office? Why isn’t he up before a tribunal for crimes against humanity?

388410 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JaneHarry, #304 of 1420 🔗

He’s a useful idiot.

388569 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, #305 of 1420 🔗

He will be, before long.

387467 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #306 of 1420 🔗

Why do like, politicians use the words “protect the NHS, save lives”, in every like sentence, like a teenager?

387472 ▶▶ jb12, replying to PoshPanic, 18, #307 of 1420 🔗

Repetition is one of the ways they hypnotise the TV watchers.

387529 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to jb12, 6, #308 of 1420 🔗

Apparently repeating things in three’s is an actual hypnotic / mind control technique.
Stay home
Save lives
Protect the NHS.
Repeat ad nauseum .

387478 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #309 of 1420 🔗

Because they think we will accept anything as long as we don’t see pictures of people on trolleys in hospital corridors although that’s what we are used to seeing most winters. Any level of collateral damage is acceptable to them as long as NHS/Moloch and their careers and power continue.

387519 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #310 of 1420 🔗

It could be they’ve also managed to brainwash themselves, living in their own echo chamber.

387534 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #311 of 1420 🔗

Falling back on cliches etc is a way of disguising the fact they have nothing meaningful to say, or don’t know what they’re talking about at all.

387638 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #312 of 1420 🔗

similar thing happened during the 2017 election with “Jeremy Corbyn-unelectable”. I remember an incident during Sky’s programme The Pledge where Greg Dyke and Nick Ferrari both used the phrase even when they were arguing a point.

387468 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 24, #313 of 1420 🔗

Why is the headline not THE GREAT REOPENING??????
I think LS needs to figure out another place to go, this ship is sinking. It clearly has no interest in positive, actionable change and is waiting for Daddy Government to fix the mess it’s got itself into.

388059 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Natalie Shay, 1, #314 of 1420 🔗

I think thats very true…the people who run it live in the world of top politicians. Therefore the problem is seen as coming from them as is the solution. Its all a cock up ‘in it’?

387470 Basics, 12, #315 of 1420 🔗

Who is an unelected gathering of scum. Any rules they have are as irrelevant to health as a genocidal maniacs slaying of populations.

They may have a rule that is reasonable. That it is a WHO rule is irrelevant, WHO are part of the problem. WHO are also a vehicle to push us to one world governance.

387484 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #316 of 1420 🔗

As a layman, I realise that a “vaccine” triggers the immune system to fight diseases and that the “COVID vaccine” doesn’t trigger the immune system so is not technically a vaccine, what is it then?

I have a very good friend who’s not a zealot but not a sceptic either and cannot wait until he has the “vaccine” and as he says “goodbye COVID”.

In simple terms what is the vaccine?

387493 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #317 of 1420 🔗

It’s gene therapy.

387608 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #318 of 1420 🔗

A 3 hundred and thrity three trillion billion pound version of Lemsip.
It might actually run to a Brazilian if we carry on with this shit.

388362 ▶▶ kate, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #319 of 1420 🔗

An RNA or DNA “vaccine” works by turning a small portion of the cells in our body into a production factory to make the coronavirus spike protein. (this is the part of the coronavirus that the scientists have decided would be the best bit for your immune system to recognise and inactivate)

Both RNA and DNA are information carrying molecules. They carry instructions on how to build specific proteins. Our cells read this information, and then build proteins according to the instructions. This is how our healthy cells divide and grow and repair themselves.

In an RNA vaccine, there is no Spike protein in the vaccine. Instead, the vaccine provides your cells with instructions on how to build the Spike protein. Essentially, your cells have become the vaccine production factory. After some time, this delivered RNA will be recognised as foreign and destroyed by our immune cells, and the cells will stop producing the Spike protein. Our body should be left unchanged, except for the presence of antibodies and immune cells which now recognize the Spike protein of the virus

One problem and possible risk associated with this new and inadequately tested technology is that the foreign viral proteins are made by your own cells. This could confuse the immune system into attacking your own healthy cells leading to an auto-immune illness.

In a traditional vaccine an inactivated or weakened virus is introduced into the body and is then recognised as foreign, attacked and destroyed by the healthy immune system. The body’s cells do not make the virus as happens in these new “vaccines, which are more like genetic manipulation technologies.

387505 mj, replying to mj, 12, #321 of 1420 🔗

Shopping report .. Just done Aldi and B&M. unmasked. No doorman, No questions, no comments . However chatting to my favourite till operator , i asked why she was masked on the till. “New instruction from management”. So now everyone working in Aldi has to wear a mask all the time. She wasnt happy. .She said that in Asda they dont have to wear masks. not on the till, not on the floor.
So wonder why Aldi are doing this?

387509 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to mj, 21, #322 of 1420 🔗

Another early morning shop in my local Sainsbury’s . Another lunatic woman customer raging at me for not wearing a mask . Kept my headphones in and walked past whistling toIron Maiden hahahaha

387530 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Harry Chara, 6, #323 of 1420 🔗

Good for you.

Mind you, I didn’t know you could whistle to Iron Maiden…….

388198 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to dhid, 1, #324 of 1420 🔗

Well, ‘Run For The Hills’ has a nice refrain.

387540 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to mj, 7, #325 of 1420 🔗

Tell your fave till operator about this
Finally, we have a union taking on these absurd mandates. I signed up yesterday.

388021 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mj, 1, #326 of 1420 🔗

Probably to make it more acceptable to eject the unmasked without them pointing a till and saying well they aren’t wearing one. In my recent letter to the Aldi CEO I spent a whole paragraph on asking if they had done a risk assessment on making their staff wear masks and pointed out a few possible consequences that might arise from this in the future. I got a very long reply back that did not even mention employee masking.

387510 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #327 of 1420 🔗

Currently watching live coverage of an Ameriica ‘s Cup qualifier from New Zealand. Thousands sat shoulder to shoulder on the beach enjoying the sun and the views, boats on the water with dozens on board. Nobody seems to have a care in the world.

Actually making me feel very depressed for a life we used to have.

387521 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #328 of 1420 🔗

Are they wearing nappies?

The Australian Open tennis is planning to have quite big crowds presumbly to show off the supposed benefits of zero covid approach but imagine they will all be muzzled

387566 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Julian, 1, #329 of 1420 🔗

I’m watching it now, no muzzles. It’s like another planet.

387795 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #330 of 1420 🔗

Just looked at a pre-Aus Open tennis exhibition match from Adelaide. Players wear nappies when not playing, but don’t wear nappies when breathing out heavily while playing. Ballkids and line judges wear nappies, but the spectators are bare faced. Madness.

387708 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Julian, 2, #331 of 1420 🔗

But why is it not full capacity? If zero Coivd then what’s the problem?

387729 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 1, #332 of 1420 🔗

Good question and I think the answer is sadly that the madness has gripped people so badly that a return to previous normality just doesn’t occur to them or if it does they are too afraid to say it

387552 ▶▶ Will, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #333 of 1420 🔗

As it looks more likely, judging by the ongoing silence, that the “vaccines” don’t stop transmission, the woman with the teeth is going to have to let people die with covid or keep NZ as a semi benevolent penal colony for ever.

388027 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #334 of 1420 🔗

All fun and games until you try to leave the country or get back into it.

387511 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 15, #335 of 1420 🔗


This is something to highlight. Tim Spector is already seeing his grant fund applications being turned down. I know how this works, as does Mr TT (Climate Change funding bandwagon). It follows from comments made by Carl Heneghan yesterday on Julia H-B’s show – dissenting voices in the Academy and medicine are being silenced. Tim Spector’s Zoe app conflicting with Imperial’s React study and other things? This is very worrying:

Tim Spector on Twitter: “The worst part of being an academic is hearing your Grant got turned down. I was looking forward to studying the thousands of #LongCovid sufferers on the app with a great multdisciplinary team from @kingshealth but – the NHS/MRC said no. Hope the £ went to a better project !” / Twitter

387518 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #336 of 1420 🔗

Predictable but sad and worrying

I think Spector is a bit too bought into the narrative for my liking but I think he has played with a pretty straight bat and deserves credit for that

If they are coming for him it shows he is worrying them and also the depths to which they are prepared to stoop

You could try emailing Deborah Cohen or TY at lockdownsceptics@gmail.com or write to Hitchens c/o Mail on Sunday

387561 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #337 of 1420 🔗

Now I know why the Zoe app does not want any fit, healthy, symptom free people reporting (money and does not fit government narrative). The big move is more testing and vaccines reporting.

387512 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #338 of 1420 🔗

I know this is from one of those strange idea websites but is this true?”


Looking for corroboration to confirm.

387604 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #340 of 1420 🔗

I was reading something recently regarding the distinct lack of a flag flying over the White House for many days after Biden’s inauguration day, w hether there’s anything to this or not, IDK. intriguing since Nixon signed a law mandating it’s appearance round the clock, I believe.

387627 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Awkward Git, #341 of 1420 🔗

bit odd. Not sure why the Congress would be at the White House. Not unless they mean the Capitol

387702 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #342 of 1420 🔗

Lots of crazy stuff in USA at moment, see Gamestock. I find it hard to credit this Biden arrested military rule stuff.

387515 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #343 of 1420 🔗

These attacks on sceptics are just their way of quietly backing away from zero Covid

387535 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #344 of 1420 🔗

Ever the optimist!

387589 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 3, #345 of 1420 🔗

Attack is the best form of defence and all that. Devi should have her zero Covid quotes read back to her. She should squirm.

387517 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 64, #346 of 1420 🔗


So the Prime Minister has today published an open letter to parents, carers, and guardians of children, congratulating them on juggling careers and home schooling in order to ‘save lives’. I find this letter in rather poor taste.

Younger children may have the mercy of not remembering much of this when it is finally over, but they will grow up and be able to look back at what happened with an objective eye. By then, the consequences of this unethical medical experiment carried out on the population without its consent will have manifested and I trust that they will be able to make their own judgement on the merits of what happened in the early 2020s.

Older children will retain the memories of being locked away for months on end, denied their social circles and rites of passage that their parents and grandparents took for granted, their daily routines of school and social interaction smashed to pieces to leave an endless, unstructured void of indefinite boredom and listlessness. All for a virus which does not affect them at all.

The bottom line is that demographics should have been taken into account when co-ordinating a response for this pandemic. It really is that simple. It is not right and it is not fair to drastically reduce children and young people’s quality of life and their opportunities for a virus which only negatively affects an overwhelming majority of elderly, who have already had a good crack at life.

Of course, this is where a lockdown zealot would accuse me of euthanasia/eugenics/not caring about the elderly, which is not what I’m proposing. There has to be a point at which it becomes morally wrong to extend the life of someone in their 70s/80s at the expense of somone who hasn’t even got started in life yet. I see some rather shocking arguments online from people of advanced years, saying ‘Young people have plenty of time to get back on their feet, they have their whole lives ahead of them to fix things, I haven’t got that long left’. This argument assumes that all life years of everyone are the same quality, but it doesn’t matter if a young person has ‘years’ ahead of them if those years are mired by debt, unemployment, and desperately trying to get back on their feet, when they should be enjoying life, taking advantage of all opportunities, planning for a career or a family, etc.

I refuse to believe that all the money we have wasted on useless track and trace, and paying people to stay at home for months on end and lose vital employability skills and purpose in life, could not have been spent on protecting the vulnerable, especially those in care homes where ringfencing may be slightly easier.

Always remember: before 2020, the WHO itself did not recommend repeated, prolonged nationwide lockdowns as a way of managing a pandemic. They had never been tried before and for good reason.

No one under 25 will ever forgive the government for what it did and has done to their lives and their futures. I imagine many above that age will also never forgive.

387543 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Poppy, 16, #347 of 1420 🔗

It is pure gaslighting. He is an evil abuser.

387563 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Poppy, 9, #348 of 1420 🔗

As usual, Poppy, spot on.
Regarding the money wasted I would like to see a “value for tax payers’ money” audit on PPE suppliers and Track & trace to name but two. Then a windfall tax applied on any excessive profits. I can dream.

387601 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Poppy, 9, #349 of 1420 🔗

Remember in 2019 & prior, where the phrase of the moment was ‘cliff-edge’. Repeated attempts to block a WTO-trade exit from the EU because leaving without a deal would leave people & businesses on a ‘cliff-edge,’?

How many people (indeed, people of all ages) are now facing a completely uncertain future? young people deprived of crucial development & learning they might never get back.. how many of them have been hurled off the cliff edge?

388048 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #350 of 1420 🔗

I know, what a bloody joke, all that hypocritical hand-wringing over the damage that brexit would allegedly cause the economy – and within months of that they just take a sledgehammer to said economy, without so much as a care in the world for it

387619 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 15, #351 of 1420 🔗

Johnson still does not get – children of all ages have their education, socialisation, development and lives stolen from them. Most of them will never reach their full potential. Many other children have been abused in their own homes and are forced to stay there with no end date in sight.

The mental health crisis will fall on the parents to manage as best as they can . The Covid-Only-NHS has never had sufficient ‘space’ for mental health care pre-lockdown and during/after lockdown the numbers of children with mental health issues have increased exponentially. Even those children that never had anxiety/mental health issues now have issues.

Every day that this farce of a lockdown and school closures continue the damage becomes bigger and bigger and in some cases irreversible.


387849 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 5, #352 of 1420 🔗

I’m not sure the damage to very young children will be reparable. Spending your first year and/ or second year of life in a dystopian hole, with terrified zombie parents, without contact with other children, and with human faces deleted, is a recipe for mental and behavioural mayhem.

388360 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 7, #353 of 1420 🔗

Yes, indeed. Although Poppy says that young children may have the mercy of not remembering this when it’s over, I’m not sure about that at all – most of us can recall things from when were were 3 years old and above. I effectively missed almost a year of school age 4-5, and I certainly do remember it very well, and the lasting effect it had on me.

Also, apart from conscious memory, there’s the unconscious. To imagine what has been imbued in young children over the past 11 months is enough to make your blood run cold.

My two are 3 and 5 (now, so 2 and 4 at the outset). The elder is very conscious that the adults outside the school wear masks, and wonders why. I’m the only parent who doesn’t, of course, and I am not sure how to answer her. Same when I drop the little one off at nursery, although he’s too young to articulate such thoughts. But Mrs TJN and I are both determined that life is going to go on as close to normal as possible, and that the effect on their lives is going to be as small as possible, and intend bring them up to face difficulties head on and not to cower away.

I feel very, very bad about what’s been done to children in all this, but have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about protecting my own as much as possible – if others want to go along with the shitshow, not thinking what they are doing to their children, that’s up to them.

Another thing – when either Mrs TJN or I are out and about unmuzzled (i.e. always) it’s remarkable how often small children fix on our faces, among the sea of masks. Heaven only knows what the maskoids are doing to toddlers and babies.

388044 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 1, #354 of 1420 🔗

and nor should anyone ever forgive them

387523 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #355 of 1420 🔗

Can somebody tell me what is actually wrong in the statement that “more tests = more false positives”?

387532 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #356 of 1420 🔗

I wondered that. Let’s say if you test 100 people you get 5 false positives*, then if you test 1000 you get 50.
* 5% assumed illustrative purposes only

387621 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to WasSteph, 3, #357 of 1420 🔗

It’s worse than that! A recent paper suggested that on January 11th, 68% of the recorded positive tests were false positives.

387533 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #358 of 1420 🔗


387544 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 2, #359 of 1420 🔗

So why has the supposedly brilliant piece from the violinist been allowed to get away with actually saying that the statement is flawed?

387580 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #360 of 1420 🔗

Very disappointing, indeed

387541 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #361 of 1420 🔗

it is 100% correct

the false positives scale with the number of tests, the multiplier being the false positive rate

there is also the issue of the false positive rate scaling with tests due to rapid roll out, poorly set up and run centres, double shifts and the risks of contamination etc

387542 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #362 of 1420 🔗

He’s clearly gone to the Hancock school of maths and believe false positives are a function of positive tests and not of total tests. As I said below, if he can’t get the basics right then there’s no point reading anything else he has to say whether it be for or against.

387546 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #363 of 1420 🔗

My thought as well. There’s also the question of timing. Always a surge of positive tests to alarm the public and put parliament on the back foot.

387602 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #364 of 1420 🔗

That’s what I wondered. A “scorcher” of a response by the violinist?? Thought I must have misunderstood.

388443 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Cotton Wool, #365 of 1420 🔗

Maybe it’s just me but I read it as them subtly taking the piss.

387536 Tim Bidie, 8, #366 of 1420 🔗

More rich pickings for lawyers. Once again, has the government followed its own legislation, guidelines, on risk assessment, cost/benefit analysis, this time for novel vaccines administered to the elderly and infirm? It certainly should have. The risks have been known for years:

‘Although the power of vaccination is unquestionable in controlling infectious disease, immunosenescence can lead to reduced immune responses following immunization in the elderly, and increased morbidity and mortality. Further complicating this issue, some vaccines themselves may pose a substantial safety risk in the elderly when compared to younger counterparts. Though any health care intervention must balance risk and reward, safety and immunogenicity are often poorly characterized in older populations.’ (2012)


387538 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 20, #367 of 1420 🔗

Some observations from the ” front line ” . The local ” surge ” of Covid admissions in my local DGH is diminishing as fast as it came. I can log in and see the number of patients who are Covid admissions and this week it has dropped really rapidly .

I am still not seeing a usual winter community respiratory season. Usually a surgery sees loads of patients with chest symptoms in January but this is not the case this year.

The big “Push ” on the vaccine delivery is next week and most of the 70-80 age group in our area are being offered the vaccine then . It really is a big social event for many who have been terrified by the official propaganda to stay home !

387554 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Peter Thompson, 11, #368 of 1420 🔗

Thanks for you contributions, Peter. It’s really helpful to hear from the sharp end. My son is a doctor in ICU and he’s still on surge rota. It’s really hard to get a perspective from him as he’s young and won’t have seen many winter surges. He thinks it’s bad on the rare occasions we are able to speak to him.
I don’t doubt Covid, I just despise the government for overreacting and imprisoning the population.
I won’t have the vaccine until I see much more data. Will you have it? Feel free to keep that to yourself if you prefer not to disclose.

387556 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #369 of 1420 🔗

Thanks Peter. What do you think is the reason for this. Is it because all of the really vulnerable have already died (hence we are not seeing Flu deaths) or is it because draconian lockdown for months, throughout the summer, prevented the Flu virus taking hold this year?

387594 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #370 of 1420 🔗

There are many opinions as to why the community winter respiratory season is so light in primary care . I really don’t know why it should be . I do know I am not seeing the usual kids with coughs , throat and ear infections this year, in fact I rarely have seen more than one a week this winter .

As for the vaccine I think it is a matter of individual choice and everyone needs to be well informed and decide for themselves. Those who are vulnerable by ongoing significant illness eg Ischaemic Heart Disease , COPD or morbidly obese are much more likely to end up in hospital with Covid so need to bare that in mind when weighing up the risks.

387629 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #371 of 1420 🔗

The usual infections must not be present this year due to the carnage of society caused by all this enforced isolation. Where can people possible pick up seasonal viral nasties now? Nowhere. When they take the jack boot of medio fascist tyranny of our necks….Ooooooh lordy, these things are gonna RIP

387738 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #372 of 1420 🔗

With the schools shut, is it possible that the fallout from the nasal flu has been delayed? And the investable circulation of streps isn’t occurring, via shared toilets etc.,Also is it possible that the visits for coughs, throat and ear infections are being treated at home? Despite a lot of effort from Facebook to cloak them, there’s newbies turning up in the alternative community online asking for hints and tips for shifting coughs, sniffles, and sore throats.

For anyone who’s interested, honey&lemon(teaspoon of coconut oil is effective in addition, (if nauseating)), honey and raw cider vinegar, onion in a sock, (didn’t work for me and my bed stank of onions), onion syrup, elderberry teas/tinctures/syrup, sip water, chicken broth, Thai Green curry, some homeopathic remedies I forget the name of, thyme tea (also the same ingredient in Broncocough pastilles), inhale with various essential oils, steam inhale colloidal silver, nebulise saline with or without colloidal silver, salt pipe, and just rest the heck up. If a child, keep them comfortable near you and give lots of cuddles.

It seems to me that doctors are swiftly losing the faith of a lot of parents, on the quiet. When I was a child, the NHS treated antibiotics as a precious commodity, and necessary evil. Woe betide the person trying to get some without first having been sick for a fortnight, rested up, steamed their sinuses until they burst, spent hours with cotton wool soaked in salt water on their conjunctival eyes, been to the dentist, got out for a bracing walk, and taken some damn paracetamol.

Now, to judge by my friends’ children, it’s endless ear infections, antibiotics for sore throats and ear infections, annual flu vaccines whose reported side effects are sore throats and ear inflammation, d&v infections until spring time (also a side effect of the nasal flu vaccine), some kind of pseudo-pertussis, growing pains which I’m starting to wonder might not be a reaction to the new tdap. Eczema and Psoriasis. And everything has a cream, antibiotic, lotion, inhaler and in the case of nut allergies, school strictures preventing any child from consuming this excellent source of nutrition on site abs a drawer full of epipens at reception.

It’s become one of the most depressing self-repeating patterns, from an institution that used to be able to pride itself in producing robust, healthy citizens, despite the efforts of multiple governments. The cradle aspect of “cradle to grave” must have really started costing a fortune!

387765 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #373 of 1420 🔗

Normally at this time of year my seasonal asthma would trigger (from late Oct), caused usually by smokers, diesel fumes, damp weather & strong perfumes. Not a sign so far, although there is no place I want to go.
Worst place for me was the local major hospital that has a main entrance that has Taxi’s, buses and smokers hanging around. Bit like a 1970’s bus station really.

387794 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #374 of 1420 🔗

Thanks Peter, very interesting. Agree with you on the vaccine strategy – those in groups 1-4 represent 88% of deaths so that should be the focus. Not necessary for anyone otherwise healthy, and definitely not for young people (especially the mRNA vaccines).

387583 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #375 of 1420 🔗

Just posting to say thanks for your insights. Always very informative.

387539 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 8, #376 of 1420 🔗

Well, so far “the Great Reopening” is looking like an absolute damp squib.

387547 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mattghg, 8, #377 of 1420 🔗

Shame but needed more publicity and funding to fight fines and a lead from some big chains like Wetherspoons

387548 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mattghg, 6, #378 of 1420 🔗

I can’t help thinking we are being set up for a fall. 1 shop in Edinburgh has confirmed it will open but then again if I were a shop owner I wouldn’t advertise.

387634 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mattghg, 2, #379 of 1420 🔗

I think I could find two burger vans that are open and worth going to round here. They never shut anyway.

387656 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to mattghg, 1, #380 of 1420 🔗

If anyone has any resources that tell us where to find businesses that are open please share. I’d like to support, but expect this will be a bit of a non-event as you say.

387673 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #381 of 1420 🔗

To be fair there’s a list here:


But nothing near where I live.

387888 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mattghg, 2, #382 of 1420 🔗

Agreed. The dull and damp weather doesn’t help. In my area this morning the only place I saw, which may or may not have been participating, was a stairway leading to a hairdressers. The door was slightly ajar and the lights were on.
(Old joke often seen in kids’ comics: When is a door not a door? When it is as ajar.)

387545 Julian, 6, #383 of 1420 🔗

He spoke of the spirit of Europe and the signs of the times.· On all sides, he said, we were seeing the reign of cooperation and the herd instinct, love and freedom nowhere. All this communal spirit from student club and glee-club to the same spirit in the government was an inevitable development, it was community life based on anxiety, fear and opportunism; within it was an ou_iworn and indolent way of life approaching its collapse.

‘”Communal spirit,” said Demian, ‘”is a fine thing. But what we now 4JCC flourishing everywhere is not really that. The real spirit will rise up, new, from the separate contribution of each individual and for a time it will transform the world. The only manifestation of communal spirit to be seen at present is the herd-instinct at work. Human beings fly into each others arms because they are afraid of each other-the masters afraid for themselves. They are a community composed entirely for themselves! And why are they afraid? Man is only afraid when he is not attuned to himself. They are afraid because they have never made themselves known to themselves There are a community composed entirely of men who are afraid of the unknown element within themselves I They are all conscious of the fact that the laws of life they have inherited are no longer valid, that they are living according to archaic tablets of the law that neither their religion nor customs are adapted to our present-day needs. For a hundred years or so Europe has done nothing but study and build factories. They know exactly how many grams of explosive are needed to kill a man but they do not know how to pray to God, they do not even know how to remain happy and contented for one single hour. Just look at a students’ club, like this. Or indeed any place of amusement where rich people congregate. Hopeless I my dear Sinclair, nothing encouraging can emerge from that kind of thing. These men who come together in this nervous fashion are riddled with fear and evil; none of them trust each other. They cling to ideals which no longer exist, and stone anyone who sets up a new one. I have a presentiment that great division~ lie ahead. They will come, believe me r and come soon I Naturally they will not •improve’ the world. Whether the workers murder the manufacturers or the Russians and Germans shoot each other, it will merely be a change of ownership. But it won’t have been in vain. It will show up the bankruptcy of the present-day ideal; there will be a sweeping away of stone-age gods. This wOT1d as it is now constituted, will perish, will be destroyed, it’s happening before our eyes.””

From Demian by Herman Hesse. Published in 1918 but set I think around the turn of the century, though I imagine WW1 was on is mind while writing.

Plus ca change.

387550 Cheezilla, 21, #384 of 1420 🔗

Terrific freedom speech at a West Yorkshire defiance gathering. Last entry on Telegram’s Protest Everywhere group.

The peaceful rebellion is starting, communities are forming. This is the time to relinquish your despair and join one.

387553 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #385 of 1420 🔗

SAGE have released a document trying to quantify lockdown deaths, saying they are high but lower than those avoided due to the lockdown

they clearly know they are in the wrong because if they were confident in their position they would have used QALYs.

387559 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to steve_w, 11, #386 of 1420 🔗

Las Vegas forced to reopen schools due to the suicide of 20 students.

387568 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to p02099003, 12, #387 of 1420 🔗

Uptick, not for the dreadful stat obviously, but the knowledge that school openings will be forced on our stupid government one way or another.
I’ll do a few terms teaching Science GCSE if our brave teachers are still terrified.

387987 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, 1, #388 of 1420 🔗

they’re not terrified. they’re skiving.

387578 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 14, #389 of 1420 🔗

SAGE have released a document trying to quantify lockdown deaths, saying they are high but lower than those avoided due to the lockdown”

In other news, Ronnie Biggs says he is innocent and Pablo Escobar’s mum says he was a good boy really

387614 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to steve_w, #390 of 1420 🔗

Got a link please steve?

387668 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Raquel, 3, #391 of 1420 🔗

i haven’t got round to reading the document but skimmed through the mailonline article


if SAGE aren’t looking at QALYs it can be dismissed a scientific fraud

387720 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to steve_w, 3, #393 of 1420 🔗

If you know lockdowns will kill people but only may save lives and may not, what would a moral human being do? I’d have to avoid deliberately killing someone. It’s one of those Turing or moral train track questions. The train is carrying its passengers towards a collapsed bridge and they may die if it can’t stop in time. If you switch the points the train definitely runs over a person tied to the track and the passengers are saved. What does a moral human do? What does one of our ruling junta do?

387999 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 5, #394 of 1420 🔗

it’s not a moral dilemma at all. nobody is trying to save anyones life. they are deliberately crashing an economy, driving millions into poverty, causing untold misery and death.
lockdowns are evil, period.

387560 Awkward Git, 6, #395 of 1420 🔗

Ddin’t take long from the court case for the adverts on the radio to appear from no win no fee claims lawyers about taking on the insurance companies did it?

Lots of them this week.

I can see some big payouts coming and insurance companies bleating for government assistance soon.

387564 alw, replying to alw, 36, #396 of 1420 🔗

Son and daughter-in-law trying to pressurise me to wear mask and have vaccine. Told me that the private school their children are at say that if they break the rules they could lose the places for their children. Then say I must do what’s right for me. What a complete and utter load of tosh. I will not change my mind. Sad that the younger generation fall for this hook, line and sinker. Talk about risk averse.

387571 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to alw, 11, #397 of 1420 🔗

That school really wants to lose fees in this climate? I don’t think so, let alone the legal minefield of attempting to impose rules on parents for which they have no right in law.

387584 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to alw, 3, #398 of 1420 🔗

Get out and do some shopping at the newly re-opened businesses. Breathe the spring air, keep the faith, and forget ’em!

387735 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #399 of 1420 🔗

I have been doing just that, although today with the ghastly weather everywhere is pretty deserted. Also been talking to some colonials like myself today and we are all of the same mind. Not denying the nastiness of the virus for some but not believing the propaganda etc.

387588 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to alw, 8, #400 of 1420 🔗

Just out of curiosity, what’s their favourite part about the vaccine? the fact that those taking it will be required to continue wearing masks and all other measures (per. Prof Van Tam) or the fact that there is ‘no evidence’ that it reduces transmission? (per. Head of Pfizer, & many many others, inc. the WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan)…

387644 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to alw, 2, #401 of 1420 🔗

Disown them. Are they in your will?

387739 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Two-Six, 9, #402 of 1420 🔗

I would never do that but will leave them to stew in their own juices. I had a life before I had them and a life when they left home, which the govt has now tried to diminish. They will not succeed

387834 ▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, 4, #403 of 1420 🔗

Are they insinuating that their sprogs will lose their school places if you don’t wear a face nappy?

387565 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #404 of 1420 🔗

Just leaning on my window sill which looks on to a main road and watching car after car go by (9 .55am) so where the Fuck are they going, we’ll there living life as best they can,and saying fuck you Johnson,in reality this shit show is running out of road and no amount of lies and decit will save those responsible..

387616 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #405 of 1420 🔗

I agree the number of cars on the road is amazing. I just hope the drivers are all off to see their friends and relatives or to some illicit gatherings that sadly I am never invited to. It makes me nostalgic for the late 80s when cars of ravers would meet at service stations to convoy to the next rave without the police finding out!

387626 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Fiona Walker, 5, #406 of 1420 🔗

With the amount of cars there certainly not all visiting supermarkets,I would say friends/relatives is a big part of it, the 80s remember them well..

387637 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #407 of 1420 🔗

I don’t 😉

387811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Two-Six, 2, #408 of 1420 🔗

You were definitely there then 😂

387572 isobar, 20, #409 of 1420 🔗

Just watched a Tale of two January’s by Jeffry Peel. (Link in roundup section). Absolutely stunning rendition of the failings of the PCR test and mendacious strategy of our Government and their mind games. I now know exactly how the young lady in the picture below feels.

387573 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #410 of 1420 🔗

That they (lockdowns) reduce transmission to some degree (which they do, in all likelihood) is not sufficient. The gains must outweigh the price paid by society. Bowman instead chooses to focus only on whether lockdowns reduce transmission. (Timon Wapenaar, above)

The (deliberate?) lack of precision regarding ‘transmission’ of C19 from the beginning has been a constant issue. Johnson & Co’s statements last March frequently conflated of ‘overall transmission’ and ‘rate of transmission’ , two differentially distinct measures (much like distance travelled/speed or speed/acceleration),
Last March there was only a promise of a vaccine, yet it was this promise that justified lockdown; which would possibly slow the rate of transmission but could not prevent people contacting the virus at some point, as it was endemic in the UK. The key measure here again is ‘time’, which is so often conveniently excluded in favour of unhelpful absolutes.

That 100% lockdown would severely impact on the ‘rate of transmission’ is perhaps unarguable, a poly bag over the head would do the same on an individual basis. The result is the same in either case, and 100% lockdown would kill the economy within weeks. Once 100% lockdown is eased even slightly the rate of transmission must increase again (as the virus is going nowhere, just waiting) until it runs its course.
Lack of meaningful cost-benefit calculations or indices of lockdown measured with respect to time is the problem. We need an independent universal measures that can demonstrate the impact of national and regional lockdowns on the economy as well as health .
The current inflated winter C19 death figures are largely convenient SAGE superimpositions onto the seasonal flu death charts. Indeed Ireland and Australia have almost eradicated flu deaths by this same sleight of hand . This convenience will end in a few weeks, as respiratory death rates among the elderly and vulnerable will start falling dramatically independent of lockdown, vaccines or anything else.

PS: Sorry to disagree here Timon, but more tests DO result in more false positives (statistically this is a given outcome, and not ‘patently stupid’ ), and many eminent sceptics worldwide (including medical professionals) have drawn attention to the imprecision of PCR testing, which is being used to drive the fearmongering. And even if PCR were 100% accurate in isolating/diagnosing C19, the tests are now given randomly and not in response to displayed symptoms as confirmed by a doctor, which was supposed to be the whole point of calling for a PCR test .

387639 ▶▶ RickH, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #411 of 1420 🔗

An excellent summary of key aspects of the situation.

The ‘ deniers ‘ are mainly in the Covid enthusiast camp, given, against any substantive evidence, the failure of masks, lockdowns and shutting of schools and the belief in the validity of ludicrously high Ct PCR testing as a valid diagnostic process.

It would be useful to have a forensic listing of government and SAGE prouncements that have proved to be garbage.

387985 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #412 of 1420 🔗

The gains must outweigh the price paid by society.

NO! If I kidnapped your children and distributed their organs to transplant patients you could set off the lives lost against those gained.

it’s still evil.

388068 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #413 of 1420 🔗

A good point. I used the small quote from the article by Timon Wapenaar, and focussed on one area of particular disagreement – I have several more. Tbh I was puzzled at it being featured in LS in the first place, as the views expressed seem to actively belittle the duty (as I see it) of all citizens being sceptical of government policies that openly override what we previously assumed to be inalienable human rights.

388256 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #414 of 1420 🔗

“That they (lockdowns) reduce transmission to some degree (which they do, in all likelihood) “

No effects from lockdowns or mask mandates to be seen on the charts.

387575 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #415 of 1420 🔗


Sky News Australia sense.

Just a reminder Sky News Australia is not connected to the UKs putrid Sky News despite the two organisations looking the same and having the same name.

387715 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 2, #416 of 1420 🔗

i subscribed ages ago. best mainstream news out there

387577 Polonium1806, replying to Polonium1806, 1, #417 of 1420 🔗

As I look at the madness increasing to the unprecedented levels all around me, two songs inevitably comes to my mind – Marylin Manson’s Seizure of Power and Mr x Mr y New World Order and madness is of course understatement of the situation.

387590 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Polonium1806, 3, #418 of 1420 🔗

When I think about the ‘vaccines’, I think of “Strange Brew” (Cream).

387591 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Polonium1806, 6, #419 of 1420 🔗

The original Scarborough Fair not the stolen American version. Listening to it reminds me of the beauty of life and the things they are attacking us to take from us.

Listening to it raises me above the grotesque schwab and the ghouls like alex thompson channel 4 news.

The song was on an ablum entitled The Pure Drop, which if taken ambiguously has perhaps a finality deserving of some.

Anyway listen and soar above the rage and negativity they engineer in you. What one man can do is incredible.


388394 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Basics, 1, #420 of 1420 🔗

Martin Carthy, a hero of mine!

What about Newlyn Town – how to go to your hanging at Tyburn bravely, eh?


387585 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 20, #421 of 1420 🔗

Israel. This is the biggest mystery at the moment and it could be solved very quickly. Israel has had the most effective vaccination program in the world with half of the population vaccinated mainly in risk groups with one shot(effective according to the UK) and also many having the second shot.

According to a widely distributed claim with reduced infections, comparing non vaccinated compared to vaccinated, they have had a tremendous success according to the result. Israel also started early vaccination in the middle of December.

But why do we see the deaths of C-19 below? Why do we have ICU beds in Israel 4 times more than Sweden with 20% less population? If vaccinations stopped deaths (the only reason for vaccines) why don’t we see it now?

The vaccine supporters would say that the devastating C-19 epidemic in Israel are mainly in the non- vaccinated population which is now filling hospitals, ICUs and deaths.

How can we know which is the right conclusion?

 Very difficult to understand why this cannot be clarified very rapidly. In this computerized age all vaccines given are easily identified and just check with the all death records of C-19 deaths. Couldn’t this be done in a day?

387596 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 8, #422 of 1420 🔗

As so often it seems there is not great interest in the truth

387598 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to swedenborg, 11, #423 of 1420 🔗

I could scream for the lack of transparency everywhere. I just want the facts, not spin, so I can judge for myself. Too much to hope for obviously.

387624 ▶▶ Think Harder, replying to swedenborg, 1, #424 of 1420 🔗

It feels like everyone is hiding something. You cant fix a problem if you don’t admit its existence. But how soon would you expect to see an inflection after the vulnerable are vaccinated. Dunno, 2-4 weeks? There will probably be a lot of variables. There will be a race between spreading infections of variants, spreading immunity through vaccination and growth of natural immunity of people who recover.

387625 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #425 of 1420 🔗

Israel is a society with repression and lies at its core. So it’s not really surprising. It’s one of the go-to places for training in subjection of populations.

387657 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 2, #426 of 1420 🔗

It could be due to the concept called Pathological Altruism defined as “ altruism in which attempts to promote the welfare of others instead result in unanticipated harm”

The Ashkenazi ethnic group in Israel have one of the highest IQ levels in the world. It is no surprise that they are overrepresented in science and medicine. Such high IQ also comes with a sense of doing the right thing because you are smarter. It’s not arrogance, just that you feel you are better informed or more aware of what’s going on.

The drawback though is that you get caught up in your own confirmation bias. Israel is a technological nation and as such it MUST be doing the correct thing. Even though something looks odd.

It may be as much a face saving exercise as anything.

387784 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to mhcp, 2, #427 of 1420 🔗

This is a fantastic proposition. I have been mystified by the whole thing. But the echo chamber of your own confirmation bias and “groupthink” is something I’m very familiar with I from my own reaction to the lockdown in March.

We got COVID in Autumn 2019, and I was that fed up of getting sick in Autumn that to my sleep deprived, addled mind, (by this time I was waking every night with breathlessness and a racing heart, and a stabbing pleural pain every time I moved, which is now called “long covid”), that it just seemed obvious that we should just all stay home.

But once I recovered enough, and then saw they had made masks mandatory in shops, and we’d had a couple of joyful (8 hour long) play dates, after being reunited, I saw what a complete load of tosh it all was. And my neighbours all continued well despite being ancient and their homes not being especially hygienic.

I’m worried that the Israelis will take this out on the Muslim world when it becomes apparent that a “vaccine” designed by a Muslim team has cost, and blighted, so many lives.

388433 ▶▶ kate, replying to swedenborg, #428 of 1420 🔗

If public health science had anything to do with this, there would be record keeping and monitoring of all deaths and other adverse reactions.

This is about profit for the huge multinationals. There is no concern for science or health in any of this.

387586 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #429 of 1420 🔗

“there is not one lockdown sceptic of stature who says that “we aren’t seeing excess deaths”, or that “we’re witnessing a ‘casedemic’ of false positives from doing too many tests”. While there are assertions made about both excess deaths and a ‘casedemic’, their nature is much, much more nuanced than Bowman would have us believe. Indeed, his phrasing of the ‘casedemic’ is absolutely absurd. How on earth could any opponent worth arguing with believe something as patently stupid as “more tests result in more false positives”?”

There has been a lot of over-defensiveness from sceptics since the successful winter offensive by the panickers, but this seems particularly questionable. “M ore tests result in more false positives” is not only a simple statement of a truism, and an observed fact in some places and at some times last year, but something that many sceptics have said, including some high profile ones.

As with some of the comments by Sir Desmond Swayne, it’s often the case that comments made that are true or reasonable at a particular time, cease to apply at a different time. There is no possible reason to accept any criticism of the comments on the spurious basis that they did not apply a some later date.

387592 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Mark, 18, #430 of 1420 🔗

Dear Sir Des has the support of many people of intelligence and integrity and he knows it. There may come a time soon when the Conservative party no longer even pretends to have a home for such individuals. I’m hoping for a new “true Conservative” movement.

387597 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to WasSteph, 2, #431 of 1420 🔗

As am I, but it’s unlikely such a movement could return MPs initially, under fptp. Got to clear away the “Conservative” chaff first

387617 ▶▶▶ Think Harder, replying to WasSteph, 7, #432 of 1420 🔗

I saw a speech by Dave Rubin where he suggested his audience are conservatives in that they believe in the conservation of freedom and free speech. He pointed out that he is gay, his audience appeared to be multi-ethnic which doesn’t fit the left’s narrative and grouping by identity. There seems to be quite a few ex left wing liberals out there who are coming to realise that the majority of left leaning are anything but what they purport to be.

387587 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 11, #433 of 1420 🔗

“[S]ome 1,500 Met Police officers have, on the quiet, been ordered to switch off the NHS COVID-19 tracing app while at work”.

Police are a bio-hazard. Avoid.

387595 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bugle, #434 of 1420 🔗

Reference please. Sharing such a gem with be strengthened if the reference is attached, sorry if it’s above the line or somewhere obvious.

387958 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Templeton, #436 of 1420 🔗


387763 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Basics, #437 of 1420 🔗

Sorry, just got back from buying diesel – highlight of my day. It was above the line, but I see Templeton below has supplied a link.

387959 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bugle, #438 of 1420 🔗

Thanks also

387716 ▶▶ mj, replying to Bugle, 2, #439 of 1420 🔗

wasnt there something on here weeks ago about NHS staff also turning it off

387725 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to mj, 2, #440 of 1420 🔗

The reason being is that care staff are likely to come into contact with the positive test patients/residents and the T n T app would trigger (I almost said explode) and those people would be off work for 10 days. Ultimately there would be no staff/carers left.

387600 Think Harder, replying to Think Harder, 80, #441 of 1420 🔗

Like many, but not enough, I am aghast at the public reaction to Coronavirus. I find it extraordinary how people suddenly lost their scepticism of government and media. The public have just buried their heads in panic and some weird belief that death is avoidable. What price freedom? For me, a higher level of risk than we are seeing today is acceptable but not for others it seems.

I have come to the conclusion that “A” Great Reset is required, but not the one Klaus Schwab and his cronies have in mind. My Great Reset is one of the media, the law and politics towards the defence of free speech, freedom of assembly and movement, removal of bias in mass media, freedoms better protected in law and increased transparency of government and politicians. Life has to be worth living.

A thought I never expected occurred to me a couple of days ago. Life looks more pleasant in Russia, even China than the UK right now. How awful to think that. I love my country and I want it back!

387622 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Think Harder, 22, #442 of 1420 🔗

Listening to the people who have supported the denial of all our liberties condemning Russia for a lack of human rights would be hilarious if it were satire, but these people are perfectly serious: either they lack the insight to know they are hypocrites or they just think we are too stupid and gullible to notice.

387808 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #443 of 1420 🔗

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

387636 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Think Harder, 9, #444 of 1420 🔗

Not so long ago, the BBC would mock the likes of North Korea for the treatment of its people. They’ve continued to report in a supportive way on the rebellion in Hong Kong against China encroaching on their freedoms. They posted this video only a couple days ago: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csz6mc The Exiles. The blurb says:

Over a year ago, two young men who met over the internet as Hong Kong was gripped by months of pro-democracy protests. They shared a common interest in martial arts and a burning desire to resist China’s tightening grip on their lives. Now in the wake of a sweeping national security law, imposed by Beijing, they need to decide… are they going stay and continue to protest or flee to the United Kingdom, a country offering them a way out . In a move that infuriated China, Britain has introduced a new visa that will give 70% of its former colony’s population – 5.4m people – the right to live in the UK, and eventually become citizens. So what will they decide? Grace Tsoi, Wei Wang and Rebecca Henschke follow their story.

As you can see, BBC still peddle the same old crap that the UK is safe and free, and astonishingly, the public agree, it would seem. Forget the crushing and devastating powers given to the police to crush all normality out of society…

Also note the part where they say: ‘ Britain has introduced a new visa that will give 70% of its former colony’s population – 5.4m people – the right to live in the UK, and eventually become citizens’

Did our free democratic system allow the UK public to have a choice in this enormous decision?

387809 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to J4mes, 2, #445 of 1420 🔗

yes, who on earth would come to this shithole? the asylum traffic needs to go in the other direction

387650 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Think Harder, 1, #446 of 1420 🔗

Me too

387733 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Think Harder, 3, #447 of 1420 🔗


Lockdown in Wuhan lasted one month.

Elsewhere, cities that locked down did so for an average of two weeks.

Does not use Drosten PCR

Requires symptoms before someone is classified as a ‘case’, including I believe a lung examination showing particular damage, supposed to be characteristic of C-19.

Basically ended the emergency in March – 10 months ago.

387829 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Think Harder, #448 of 1420 🔗

Well said indeed.

387605 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #449 of 1420 🔗

If you were thinking the madness could not get any madder, Dr Fauci proves there is no limit to the madness.

Fauci’s position on mask wearing has been a work in progress. For months he pushed the well established line that face masks did not prevent the transmission of viruses and the general population should not wear them. Then he completely reversed himself, soon to be followed by the World Health Organisation and other authorities, and said face masks were essential in protecting from the virus. When he was asked about this reversal he claimed he had been lying when he had said masks don’t work. If you thought that was audacious, Fauci latest move is a treat.

Fauci now claims that one mask is not sufficient. Everyone should wear two face masks, he asserts with all the apparent authority of his previous announcements..

Mindful that people tend to have limited attention spans, and could be confused by having to wade through dense empirical research, Fauci cuts succinctly to the chase and asserts it’s just common sense.

If you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective


It is only a matter of time before these lunatics are demanding we all wear full hazmat suits.

387615 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #450 of 1420 🔗

Two hazmat suits preferably. That’s common sense. And also the science, because the science is whatever an important authority figure says it is.

387618 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #451 of 1420 🔗

“just common sense”

That characteristic of thoughts that may be common, but rarely make any sense.

Anyone using the term is definitely not dealing in science – just prejudice, received ‘wisdom’ or devious motives.

387633 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #452 of 1420 🔗

So I’ll need two exemption lanyards to ensure unpersecuted passage through Waitrose, then.
Or, on days when I am feeling tougher (no lanyard necessary), I may expect to be challenged twice. Even perhaps by the same security guard?
‘Excuse me, madam, have you got your mask?’
‘I’m exempt.’
‘Oh, that’s fine. And what about your other mask?’

387827 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #453 of 1420 🔗

Like, if putting two eggs into a cake mixture makes a good cake, it stands to reason that putting in four eggs will make a better cake?

388097 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Annie, 1, #454 of 1420 🔗

Or an Omelette.

388095 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #455 of 1420 🔗

Common sense has been replaced by health & safety, and risk aversion.

387612 Biggles, 48, #456 of 1420 🔗

Something surprising happened during a conversation in the Biggles household yesterday.

My 13-year-old granddaughter arrives every day after school (her Mum is a key worker). Usually when you ask what sort of day she’s had you get a one-word answer ‘Fine’ before she becomes engrossed with her i-Phone.

When her Mum came to pick her up after work the talk got round to the Novavax vaccine that is to be manufactured on Teesside. Suddenly my granddaughter pipes up with ‘Oh no, it’s not Bill Gates is it?’ At this point you could have knocked me down with a feather. There’s no way she’s heard about Bill Gates in our house or her Mum’s so she must have picked it up elsewhere.

So it seems that sulky teenagers who don’t say much are a bit more clued up than we think.

387646 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 1, #459 of 1420 🔗

I’ve seen a growing tendency for down-votes – as here – on some posts, but with absolutely no rationale.

387751 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to RickH, 1, #460 of 1420 🔗

Where is the down vote ‘as here’?

387825 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, #461 of 1420 🔗

Up votes cancel out down votes.

388000 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, 1, #462 of 1420 🔗


387831 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #463 of 1420 🔗

I tend to think in general that posts you don’t like or disagree with should be ignored or replied to with a counterargument. I suppose you could downvote AND reply, but downvoting without giving reasons seems a bit pointless to me and not in the spirit of debate we try to keep to here

387632 kate, replying to kate, 1, #464 of 1420 🔗

The following update from Kennedy’s Childrens’ Health defence show 329 deaths and 9,516 other injuries following the vaccine roll-out.

What has happened to the adverse effects monitoring programme in the UK?
Are we expected to believe that there have been no adverse reactions here?

“The numbers reflect the latest data available as of Jan. 22 from the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website. Of the 329 reported deaths, 285 were from the U.S., and 44 were from other countries. The average age of those who died was 76.5.

Anyone suffering from a serious injury will have little legal recourse because they will be directed to the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program which has rejected 90% of vaccine-injury claims over the past decade.”


387651 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kate, #465 of 1420 🔗

I think the government have probably ran our of post-it notes.

387679 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to kate, 4, #466 of 1420 🔗

24 million doses given in the US. Vaccine enthusiasts would say the US reporting system would bias reporting of side effects for this new vaccine.Or contrary? It seems pretty difficult to impose compulsory vaccinations at this stage.


So after four weeks more serious adverse event reports – including 2.5x the deaths – have been filed for the C-19 vaccine than all other vaccines combined since last June. Not flu vaccines. ALL ~100 other vaccines. (Left, Covid. Right, all others.)

387640 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #467 of 1420 🔗

I still haven’t accepted that this whole thing has been engineered by the WEF (though no doubt it has been an absolute gift to them), but feeling very unsettled by this tweet from Liz Truss:
“Great discussion at @wef on fixing the international trade system. As an independent trading nation, Global Britain will work with like-minded democracies to champion free and fair trade. It’s time we had rules fit for the 21st century. “

387685 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #468 of 1420 🔗

As an independent trading nation, Global Britain will work with like-minded democracies to champion free and fair trade” – this makes good sense, just ignore the wef bit – they probably discussing other things besides world domination

387749 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, #469 of 1420 🔗

We know what ‘free trade ‘means.

Who decides what is’ fair trade’?

Who is the referee and who pays him?

387645 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 11, #470 of 1420 🔗

Crikey! The BBC reporting on the effects of lockdown, school closures etc on children.
The author, Nick Triggle stands out as one of the better journalists in the MSM.


387647 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Andy Riley, 5, #471 of 1420 🔗

Agree, he has, but it’s typical of the BBC to ascribe the adverse impact on children to the pandemic rather than the Government’s overreaction to it.

387652 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to isobar, 4, #472 of 1420 🔗

Indeed – but that’s the headline, which he probably does not write. The article itself focuses on the collateral damage to children.

387672 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #473 of 1420 🔗

Yes, and consider how conflicting this article is to the rest of the BBC’s rhetoric. Even if he did write the title (though I also doubt this), the article is a crushing response to the suppression of truth. The article will be buried in the archives by the end of the day.

387655 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #474 of 1420 🔗

LoOk aT aLl the DamaGe tHis TeRriBle VirUs hAs cAuseD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

387660 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #475 of 1420 🔗

He’s not Piers Morgan, but the notion that he is a reporter (of fact) rather than a paid propagandist is a joke. He opens the article you link to, showing his bias with a blatant lie:

But children are still the victims of the virus

He is referring to effects not of the virus, but effects of the responses to the virus.

387661 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #476 of 1420 🔗

Nick Triggle has been head and shoulders above any other BBC journalist since last March

387666 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 1, #477 of 1420 🔗

Deborah Cohen?

387790 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, #478 of 1420 🔗

I don’t know her. I only look at BBC news website, not the TV

387826 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 2, #479 of 1420 🔗

She broke the story about the WHO changing mask policy after political pressure

387705 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to steve_w, 1, #480 of 1420 🔗

Very low bar though

387665 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Andy Riley, #481 of 1420 🔗

Guaranteed the article will be buried then archived by the end of the day.

387694 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #484 of 1420 🔗

You can give him some support on Twitter:


387823 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #485 of 1420 🔗

The pandemic this, the pandemic that … did somebody edit out the word ‘lockdown’?
No comments allowed, I notice.

387653 crimsonpirate, 4, #486 of 1420 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 Russell Brand commentary on the WEF form at Davos

387654 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #487 of 1420 🔗

The “enemy” are getting really, really desperate!!
Just seen on the “Metro” newspaper site, one PRATT actually suggesting that people wear a “double” mask.

387662 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #488 of 1420 🔗

They said wearing a mask prevents transmission of the virus. The real world data show it doesn’t. So now they say wear two. When that is shown not to work, they will say wear three.

387674 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #489 of 1420 🔗

Seeing these police maul and beat people then enclose them in police cars makes no sense from the police view that there is a plague on we must stop all normal life.

Their actions cause them to be a vector (their rules) and put people at far greater risk of catching said plague.

It is stupidity on stilts.

387675 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #490 of 1420 🔗

Do I see 4 anywhere?
With apologies to Flog it, Antiques road show,etc.

387678 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #491 of 1420 🔗

Well’, ‘sonly sense, innit. Like two chain-link fences will keep out more mosquitos than one.

387683 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to RickH, 6, #492 of 1420 🔗

Shut the garden gate,there’s a skylark in the cabbage.
One of our ode mon’s sayings.

387667 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #493 of 1420 🔗

I saw a double masker on the street yesterday, complete with turning head away as I looked at him. The shoulders hunched like a cold breeze had blown, ashamed of himself he was, but didn’t realise it.

387669 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Basics, 5, #494 of 1420 🔗

Did you claim your £5?

387680 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Basics, 3, #495 of 1420 🔗


388052 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, #496 of 1420 🔗

He might have had a cheeky third mask underneath them all. Gotta check the ears for the straps. Could have been a stick-on one mind.

387670 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #497 of 1420 🔗

Basically admitting that one mask doesn’t work .

387723 ▶▶ alw, replying to Fingerache Philip, #498 of 1420 🔗

No doubt influenced by Fauci who recommended this earlier this week

387767 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #499 of 1420 🔗

How many masks
I asks
Can a zombie stick on its head
Before it drops dead?

387770 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 6, #500 of 1420 🔗

One mask good, two masks BETTER.
bleat bleat bleat

387812 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #501 of 1420 🔗

And don’t forget, Annie, Some masks are more equal than others.

388067 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #502 of 1420 🔗

Oh you must know that Annie!
We all heard it from Nanny.
It’s just one to save Granny,
But if you’re really canny,
And don’t mind showing a fanny
Top it with Modigliani.


387817 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, 1, #503 of 1420 🔗

This is an experiment that should be carried out in the name of ‘the science’

387782 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #504 of 1420 🔗

Logically it makes perfect sense but stopping at two is erroneous – you need to wear masks sufficient that no virus particles can get through, at which point you will suffocate yourself to death – common sense, innit?

387663 mhcp, 9, #505 of 1420 🔗

Lockdowns, apart from being based on exagerrated data and claims, are a prime example of how going around is infinitely worse than going through. Although in this case, going through looks exacly like “doing things normally”.

387671 assoc, replying to assoc, #506 of 1420 🔗

I believe there was an article somewhere on here about Thailand and it’s remarkably low figures. Can anyone advise which day it appeared on? Thanks

387957 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to assoc, #507 of 1420 🔗

Try worldometers think thailand is about 126 and England about 6

387676 RickH, replying to RickH, 21, #508 of 1420 🔗

There has been increasing optimism in some posts here.

I wish they reflected the overall tenor of observations that I have.

We had one of the dreaded Zoom sessions yesterday evening with friends we haven’t seen for a while and who have recently moved to the wilds of northern Scotland.

Obviously, I am relaying my knowledge and perception of them which can’t be checked – but, with that constraint, they are not dumb ‘idiots’ or ‘sheeple’ by any stretch of the imagination. They have travelled widely, fostered a host of children, built a very successful high-tech business and don’t simply go along with the crowd in many of their attitudes and opinions. They have also snatched a 90-year-old parent from a Care Home to live with them. Far from fearful self-servers.

And yet, I found myself hearing that Wee Krankie was doing a good job, and that although their daughter and family now lived nearby in this setting of open country, they had not seen the family for yonks.

I just pass this on as a not unusual experience. Still.

387682 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to RickH, 10, #509 of 1420 🔗

Sad isn’t it? I think there is no hope for some people.

387766 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to WasSteph, 6, #510 of 1420 🔗

My point is that these aren’t just ‘some people’ who go along with the crowd. Their record is one of independent thinking and taking on difficult stuff.

387691 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 15, #511 of 1420 🔗

Some people have been infected by the madness. Yes, I too have noticed this. It just makes it all the more important that we maintain our optimism and engage in acts of non-compliance and criticism.

Ignore the rules.

387692 ▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 7, #512 of 1420 🔗

This is what happens when you have a completely subservient media, as we have in Scotland.

387761 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jb12, 1, #513 of 1420 🔗

Obviously, the blanket propaganda is a major element.

387762 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 1, #514 of 1420 🔗

It can be switched off.

388464 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 1, #515 of 1420 🔗

Yes, but in Scotland we have no voices critical of the SNP; nothing in parliament either. However, this may change if/when Stalin gets outed for lying in parliament. Here’s hoping.

387712 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 5, #516 of 1420 🔗

Within any particular socioeconomic system those who are most affluent, most well-situated within that system, and therefore dependent on its continuation, are those who tend to be most committed to the narratives that system produces – in every aspect.

It’s not really surprising.

Should one central narrative prove to be a lie, who knows what else isn’t true?

Where could that lead?

They are the same people who are also most able to protect themselves from any negative consequences of the system – in this case lockdown.

387745 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #517 of 1420 🔗

In this case, simple social-strata based ‘going along with the dominant narrative’ just doesn’t work. These are people who stuck two fingers up to the propaganda narrative and went for a period to work in Palestine.

387742 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to RickH, 11, #518 of 1420 🔗

I’ve lived in Scotland for nearly 14 years and still don’t get the Scots. I’m not Scottish (and don’t ‘identify’ as Scottish), so perhaps I’m missing something, but most people here just seem to go along with the predominant party without really questioning it and what it does. When I first arrived, that party was Labour, and the SNP was abused in the mainstream media. This continued for a while, but eventually the SNP replaced Labour as the establishment and now the rest of that establishment (civil service, public services, universities, big businesses, etc) seems to go along with the Scottish Government and the SNP line on various public policies without question. You will see some critical press coverage here in some newspapers, actually, but it just doesn’t seem to matter; there’s little impact on the wider public.

Currently, Nicola ‘Dear Leader’ Sturgeon is having some very bad press and even Sky News has publicised allegations against her to such an extent that they must have independently verified them (long story, but it’s about her alleged involvement in a witch hunt with the ‘sisterhood’ for former First Minister Alex Salmond). We’ll see what happens in the coming weeks. There is a possibility that Sturgeon will have to resign, but she has been successfully resisting a parliamentary investigation into these allegations for some time. If she does survive, I suspect that most of the public will continue to support her, such is the Svengali effect she has on most Scots. I just don’t get it. Time to move.

387780 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #519 of 1420 🔗

She’s in the process of being taken down. She (and the SNP), has got too big for her boots. Yes, agree about Sky. Aside from my obvious juxtaposition of birth (North Tyneside, home of Whitley Bay and what was known as ‘Scots Fortnight’), I have had business-related links since the late 1980s, and watched very sadly as the plucky independently-minded (as opposed to Independence) Scots have been silenced. Whatever you might think about him personally, it is important to remember that Alex Salmond had a prior career in Royal Bank of Scotland. There is a Scottish business mafia centred around old-school Edinburgh institutions and businesses, and they are likely working behind the scenes here.

387886 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #520 of 1420 🔗

Thanks – yes, I hope that Sturgeon is finally being taken down as a clear threat to the business community (not to mention the rest of us!) but don’t want to get my hopes up. I had wondered about the business interests, which seemed (through their silence) to be supportive, but it cannot be good for most of them to have the independence/separatism agenda constantly in the news, dominating everything else.

Salmond struck me as a bigger-than-life character who may have been a bit boorish, but who actually did care about Scotland and its people (regardless of what you might think about Scottish independence). Sturgeon, however, seems to care only about herself. She’s the worst kind of professional politician and I wouldn’t trust her to run a bath, let alone a country. I’m told she has quite a lot of baggage, which has been coming into the public domain a bit, but has been denied. We’ll see what happens with that.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the support for independence. There’s definitely a generational component, which I’ve seen with my students for several years now.

All of this is yet another example of how the Rona episode has exacerbated any pre-existing prejudices/conflicts/problems!

387942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #521 of 1420 🔗

The downfall is exposing what non cult followers have long known.

Scotland does not have the diversity, the integrity or the self disipline to be an independent nation. This is aside from the wants and the finances. The nation simply does not have the requirements.

20 years into devolution, 20 years where exemplar governance could have made a strong case for Scotland go it alone, we have a horrific record of scandal, and childlike squabbles.

Great Britain is right to feel embarrassed by Scotland’s performance. It drags.

387781 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #522 of 1420 🔗

I have the opposite experience to you having grown up in Scotland, then living in England for around 14 years then came back to Scotland. So my world view is not of somebody who has been indocrinated into the current psyche.

What I’ve noticed is that Scotland seems to operate like a dictatorship. Any dissenting voices against the SNP are quickly rounded upon or silenced. It’s like an African dictatorship but without the visible violence.

387802 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, #523 of 1420 🔗

What I’ve noticed is that Scotland seems to operate like a dictatorship. Any dissenting voices against the SNP are quickly rounded upon or silenced. It’s like an African dictatorship but without the visible violence .”

This can equally apply to England and to the US.

Is the difference a matter of degree, or of particular directions of emphasis, or what?

387807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mark, 4, #524 of 1420 🔗

I think it’s easier to see in a small nation such as Scotland. It does seem to be the way it’s going in many countries to be fair.

Those in power put in a framework designed to keep them in power. If another party gets in they don’t dismantle it, they simply add to it.

387862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2021, #525 of 1420 🔗

To some extent that kind of behaviour seems to be normal human nature.The unusual cases are where it is resisted and controlled by established cultural norms and political and social institutions.

In Britain (and across the US sphere generally I think) we’ve spent the past century or so dismantling those norms and institutions.

387871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Nobody2021, #526 of 1420 🔗

Yes, I think the ‘small nation’ thing is part of it. It’s interesting that there is a line of thought in political science that smaller is better when it comes to quality of democracy (closer to the people, etc), though many disagree with that, pointing out that smaller can mean easier to corrupt, less of a talent pool, more inbred, etc. The SNP’s Scottish/Nordic comparisons are absurd, of course.

387947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #527 of 1420 🔗

There is no public institution that sings with vibrancy in Scotland. All is depressed and mono culture.

387821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, #528 of 1420 🔗

The trouble with the Scots is that they’re all Wallacies.

387856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, #529 of 1420 🔗

The Quislings seem more widespread atm.

387919 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #530 of 1420 🔗

My relatives in Scotland are strongly anti-independence but they think that “Sturgeon puts herself across well”. I don’t see it that way myself, she looks to me like an obnoxious bossyboots.

387750 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to RickH, 25, #531 of 1420 🔗

I have stopped joining Zoom calls with a group of ski friends. They are continually ranting on about how ‘some Covidiots keep on breaking the rules, they have to be told’ yada yada. Same group that when I challenged them with some of the facts around deaths, IFRs etc, I was shot down with ‘I don’t believe you’.

What I really should tell them that they, in their smug, middle class houses with nice gardens and work from home jobs, clearly don’t give any shits at all about the poor multigenerational families locked up in grim tower blocks in grotty areas of big cities, the children and young people whose lives are being ruined, the people that will die because they are not being diagnosed for treatable diseases.  That they, with the only gripe being that they can’t go skiing this season, and their totally imbecilic naivety as to the destruction that is becoming ever more apparent, are exactly the problem, the real Covidiots.

387785 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #532 of 1420 🔗

tell them. not that there’s much chance of the message getting through, but it will make you feel better.

387805 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #533 of 1420 🔗

Some satisfaction perhaps from the fact that they’ll never go skiing again without being vaccinated and covid tested to the nines. And hopefully the new Chinese promoted anal swabs will be imposed on them as well. Should be compulsory for all panickers, imo, to prove their commitment to the cause.

388192 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #534 of 1420 🔗

I was thinking about jobs the other day. Soon the privately employed tax burden for the country will be borne by trades (plumbers, builders etc), supermarket employees, delivery drivers…and the work-from-homers, as everybody else will be out of a job. I wonder if your smug friends know how much their taxes will go up?

387753 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 5, #535 of 1420 🔗

The simple fact is that most people are not in danger from this virus. So their perception of a good job is based on them not being adversely affected even though the chances of it were slim.

This is the basic logical process: They were never in any real danger, somebody said they’d keep them safe, they didn’t die, a good job was done.

387758 ▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 3, #536 of 1420 🔗

In that respect, sorry, they are complete dumb idiots.

387775 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 8, #537 of 1420 🔗

yes, I too have much loved and respected friends and family members who have been completely brainwashed. I long ago concluded that intelligence was not a factor. I don’t know what it is, I suspect level of exposure to the media lies and propaganda might be important?

387778 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 7, #538 of 1420 🔗

I am more pessimistic than optimistic because though I believe the tide is turning it is not turning quickly enough and we are close to the restrictions being institutionalized for generations (if not already at or past that point)

I think things are becoming more polarised – pro-lockdown people are becoming more and more hard line and bitter, same with anti-lockdown, and the undecided/apathetic middle are choosing sides

387677 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #539 of 1420 🔗

I’ve just watched the podcast What is causing the sudden rise in mortality in the UK? from ”Round-up” – and bloody hell!!!!

What this fella and his team are doing, and quite innocently, is questioning the data from before and after vaccine roll out – an incredibly important study.

If you haven’t time to watch the whole thing, all though it is all excellent, then 33mins 40secs in up to 40mins in is a MUST WATCH.


He is absolutely clear that what he is doing is simply asking question that his, and his team’s, interpretation of the data is throwing up and asking for further scientific discussion.

387818 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Basileus, 1, #541 of 1420 🔗

Some encouraging comments too.

387743 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, 1, #542 of 1420 🔗

Dan Gregory highlights the jump in first 2 weeks of January. But there is a jump every year in January.

I believe the ONS records when a death is registered – not the date of death. Fewer deaths are registered during the Christmas period so there is invariably an uptick in the post Christmas period.

387773 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #543 of 1420 🔗

Fair enough, but then their is a respiratory disease season every year that causes an increase in mortality in the frail elderly, but this year its the ‘second wave’ of a pandemic

388500 ▶▶ kate, replying to Major Panic, #544 of 1420 🔗

He found that the rise in proportion of deaths following vaccination in 16-79 age group was identical to the rise in the over 80 age group following vaccination -0.37%

Why should the use of these new agents lead to an identical statistical change in disparate groups?

387689 cerati, replying to cerati, 35, #545 of 1420 🔗

I’m a big fan of the environmental argument against face masks.

In true Cathy Newman style…

“So what you’re saying is, it’s okay for you to pollute the planet, destroy the oceans, and poison future generations, so you can wear something that did nothing to stop 100,000 people dying? Are you that selfish you will kill the planet, to wear a mask?”

387695 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to cerati, 9, #546 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps all it will take is some footage of a dolphin or whale with a face nappy stuck in it’s blow-hole….Or a giant turtle with one stuck over its face.

387697 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #547 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps “Dishy David” Attenborough could fake some footage of this one last time…

387756 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 15, #548 of 1420 🔗

He was wheeled out at the start by the Beeb to tell everybody to stay locked up. I lost every shred of respect for him in one second.

387730 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Two-Six, #549 of 1420 🔗

Now that would be a great piece of advertising

387760 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Two-Six, 7, #550 of 1420 🔗

Or on a crocodile in the Leeds Liverpool Canal 🙂

387891 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #551 of 1420 🔗

thats an Accrington Alligator or a Colne Cayman

387941 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to mj, #552 of 1420 🔗

I think it was actually a rare survivor of the gharial Gavialus wheeltonicus but I didn’t hang around too long checking!

388070 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #553 of 1420 🔗

Sure it’s not a Scallygator?

387699 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to cerati, 4, #554 of 1420 🔗

The streets here are littered with them, I take great delight in social distancing from them and avoid getting the dreaded virus…

387873 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to cerati, 1, #555 of 1420 🔗

Sadly you will never get a masker to engage you in debate. They’re happy to call you names but there’s silence when you rattle off facts.

387696 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 21, #556 of 1420 🔗

I am officially now resident in a parallel universe:


Either that or everybody else is.

387714 ▶▶ alw, replying to Old Bill, 25, #557 of 1420 🔗

People have sent me some pretty offensive short videos on WhatsApp about Trump whatever you may think of him. I never commented. I sent one to them yesterday of Biden and it’s been handbags at dawn. We are definitely living in a parallel universe.

387722 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to alw, 6, #558 of 1420 🔗

Why do people support an old creep that is the definition of a self serving career politician?

387791 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #559 of 1420 🔗

Same reason they panic and support lockdown – massively funded propaganda campaigns enabled by systematic media and big tech social media manipulation.

387822 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #560 of 1420 🔗

They don’t know the truth of his background and behavior, they just think he’s some nice old man.

Most people really are quite stupid.

387848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to awildgoose, 3, #561 of 1420 🔗

Because the truth of his background and behaviour is carefully not discussed in most of big media and on social media, and in the runup to the election was actively suppressed.

387991 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, #562 of 1420 🔗

Yes … and then there’s Biden, as well as Trump! 🙂

387728 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to alw, 6, #563 of 1420 🔗

Past time to leave whatsapp and facebook imo. They absolutely are enemy occupied territory for anybody not woke and for anybody sceptical about the new totalitarian lockdown norm. The longer they are enabled to pretend their censored and controlled speech zone represents “consensus”, the more harm they will do.

Same applies to Twitter, but their monopoly is harder to break. Have to start somewhere though and atm the minimum is to sign up for alternatives and start trying to use them instead wherever possible. Youtube and Google as well.

I’m in the process of switching from Whatsapp to Telegram.

387819 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mark, 1, #564 of 1420 🔗

I know I have snoozed and blocked so many people that all I get are ads!

387870 ▶▶▶ albert hall, replying to alw, #565 of 1420 🔗

I’ve had similar experiences. Not just the Don but the face nappy wearers too

387698 euge, 5, #566 of 1420 🔗

I now know of a kidney patient who turned up for dialysis on friday, was not treated and died over the weekend. Another elderly patient caught the bug in hospital and died.

One in covid stats , one not. Both due to the mismanagement.

387700 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #567 of 1420 🔗
387906 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #568 of 1420 🔗

Good write up – I agree with the conclusion in terms of it being possible but unlikely.

387704 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #569 of 1420 🔗


This is an imaginary conversation in 10 Downing street about Vitamin D. I must say very cleverly done.

387710 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #570 of 1420 🔗

That was funny how we both posted at the same time. You win by a millisecond!

387706 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #571 of 1420 🔗

Great piece by David Grimes concerning a meeting at 10 Downing Street about vitamin D that may or may not have taken place.


My mum’s being taking vitamin D since March on my advice, and I take 2000 IU per day during the winter, and get lots of sun in the summer and avoid the sun cream (without burning).

387740 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #572 of 1420 🔗

I had some bloods done in July 2019 and my Vit D level was 61.4 nmol/L. Normal range being 50 – 175. Dread to think how low it dropped in winter.
Been taking 2000 IU (50mg) since march too and told everyone in family to do the same after watching Dr John Campbell videos on the topic. So far none of us has had any viral infection at all. It’s cheap and safe in those doses, should be recommended for winter months at least.

387754 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #573 of 1420 🔗

yeh, so many scams and cons we’ve been subjected to over the years; when I think how I used to smother my small kids in that filthy stuff; also the scam that eating fat [ie natural fats] was bad for you

387788 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #574 of 1420 🔗

Totally with you on the fats, I avoid anything low fat and avoid those horrible vegetable (seed) oils.

Don’t know if you’ve read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz, but I consider it an essential read for anyone wanting to examine the evidence on different fats.

Since switching to real food and avoiding vegetable oils I find that it takes an awful lot of sun for me to get sunburn, and others report the same. So it seems the two things are in some way related, albeit the evidence at the moment is somewhat anecdotal.

387810 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #575 of 1420 🔗

Not much likelihood of getting sunburnt in Cumbria. Wind-burnt, frost-bitten, midge-bitten, cleg-bitten, waterlogged, definitely, but I don’t see many cases of sunburn.

387843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve F, #576 of 1420 🔗

Ha ha. true.

387713 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 41, #577 of 1420 🔗

Watching the sheople going through the ritual of pulling face smotherings out of pockets and bags and then elaborately putting them on before getting on a bus is both sad and laughable.

The dumb fucking masses are dragging us down.

387727 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stefarm, 6, #578 of 1420 🔗

My neighbour hates them but she has to use the bus

387737 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to DanClarke, 20, #579 of 1420 🔗

Exactly – most people have been intimidated into wearing them.

We mustn’t confuse compliancewith agreement.

387747 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 9, #580 of 1420 🔗

OK, they’ve been bullied, but sooner or later you have to stand up to the bullies

387816 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to DanClarke, 5, #581 of 1420 🔗

I agree unfortunately. I don’t want to get the driver into trouble (he has a camera trained on him) so I put it on to board and alight, and take it off once I am sat down for the journey. No-one has said anything to me and I am far from being the only one.

387926 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DanClarke, 5, #582 of 1420 🔗

Do buses actually have passengers anymore? Most of the ones I see are going back and forth with nobody in them apart from the driver – one of these old rituals which continues to be enacted though the original reasons have been forgotten.

387752 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, 4, #583 of 1420 🔗

No they’re not. They’re dragging themselves down, not us.

387830 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to stefarm, 3, #584 of 1420 🔗

Just been for a short walk to stretch my legs. Its PISSING down and many people wearing masks outside….. I just dont get it.

387855 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Templeton, 1, #585 of 1420 🔗

1 woman at the bus stop turned in my vague direction and asked if I was getting on the bus that pulled up.

I politely said no, on you go.

When I say my vague direction it was because her glasses were steamed up

387910 ▶▶ Janette, replying to stefarm, #586 of 1420 🔗

I know you would think that by now they must realise there is no damn virus!

387736 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #587 of 1420 🔗

This vaccine EU v UK headline garbage is pure theatre. Can’t even be botherer trying to get to the bottom of it leave it to the sheeple.

387748 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #588 of 1420 🔗

Yeah I have a semi sceptical friend who is quite into it. I go along with the conversations but can’t really be bothered to think about it too much, doesn’t seem very important.

387769 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #589 of 1420 🔗

Anything which disrupts the supply of the highly beneficial gene therapy is cool with me.

387759 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #590 of 1420 🔗

Agree. It is an orchestrated distraction ploy by totalitarian leaders (look over there, not here).

387772 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #591 of 1420 🔗

It’s a distraction/divide and rule tactic

Disappointed it got top billing ATL today

387907 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, #592 of 1420 🔗

Yes exactly. My guess is they are trying to get people to get one quick before they run out!

387930 ▶▶ Edward, replying to JHUNTZ, #593 of 1420 🔗

Agreed, I just glanced at the headlines in the newspaper area of the supermarket and concluded that nothing important was happening.

387746 Caramel, replying to Caramel, #594 of 1420 🔗
387786 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Caramel, 5, #595 of 1420 🔗

Lukashenko of Belarus is supporting China .”

Given the US sphere are openly promoting his overthrow, would it be remotely reasonable to expect anything different?

Only US sphere conservatives are actually stupid enough to support those committed to their own destruction.

387846 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Caramel, 2, #596 of 1420 🔗

All is not as itseems:

“China has ordered that all foreign computer equipment and software be removed from government offices and public institutions within three years, the Financial Times reports.

The government directive is likely to be a blow to US multinational companies such as HP, Dell and Microsoft, and mirrors attempts by Washington to limit the use of Chinese technology, as the trade war between the countries turns into a tech cold war.”


China, Russia and Belarus and others are still sovereign nations

387755 Binra, 2, #597 of 1420 🔗

Biological engineering news:
A Criminal Mafia may unite to make the world ‘safe’ but that does not mean there are not turf wars.

The Xi-Op will run a redistribution of wealth and power as the levelling down of the willingness to suck it up. Narrative identity operates within a framework of beliefs that are set to mask and defend against truth. Self-illusion becomes a destructive lie when it is given priority over truth, or open relational communication under pretext of being too big to fail – and therefore to be propped up and aggressively protected by any and all means available. That it runs a death cult, is hidden by projecting its accusation of itself onto others, crying Foul! – attacking it externally and claiming virtue. The pattern is deep set in self-hatred and fear.

A death spiral assigned to technocratic systems of control can redistribute the toxicity of lovelessness more fairly across 99.99% of the population. By the willingness to consent to lovelessness as currency of exchange. The lie and the father of it are masking as a delivery system to ‘safety’. Who has eyes to see – let them see.

387757 alw, 5, #598 of 1420 🔗
387774 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #599 of 1420 🔗

Zoe update

new daily symptomatics down in the noise – probably dominated by false positives from trying to tell the difference between covid and normal colds using an online questionnaire.

at 20,000 or so per day its only 5% of the 400,000 new colds a day we would expect

387777 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #600 of 1420 🔗

R levelling out around 0.9

387779 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 11, #601 of 1420 🔗

Has anyone seen this before? I’ve just picked it up off of a Telegram thread about the Great Reopening.

I can’t vouch for authenticity. Just putting it out there for more resourceful peeps to delve into.

387813 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jez Hewitt, 4, #602 of 1420 🔗

That’s a curious document. Would it contain so many errors if it were legit? The FOI reference is intriguing – can anything be made of that?

387851 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to leggy, 1, #603 of 1420 🔗

I can’t find anything under than FOI number. It’s bollocks.

387836 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Jez Hewitt, 2, #604 of 1420 🔗

It’s bollocks. Not written in civil service speak at all. “Financial sweeteners “ ??

387847 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to concrete68, 1, #605 of 1420 🔗

That’s kinda what I thought. “Crack down” didn’t seem like civil service lingo either.

Talking of which, I’m off to my local crack den. Laters.

387841 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Jez Hewitt, 1, #606 of 1420 🔗

That’s a composite of various things printed out cut with scissors and stuck back together very badly.

387844 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Jez Hewitt, #607 of 1420 🔗

I can vouch for inauthenticity.

387783 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #608 of 1420 🔗

Friend of mine had the Pfizer jab at 11:30 today. His wife can’t get him out of PC World

387793 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to steve_w, 1, #609 of 1420 🔗

Sounds just like Dutch courage doesn’t it.

387797 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 24, #610 of 1420 🔗

I heard of someone who, shortly after the vaccine, gave his house to a passing billionaire before declaring his wish to own nothing and be happy

387799 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 10, #611 of 1420 🔗

my friend’s wife is more worried about him having an affair with the dishwasher

387800 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to steve_w, 6, #612 of 1420 🔗


388091 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to steve_w, 1, #613 of 1420 🔗

Switched from Jobs fanboi to Gates?

387789 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #614 of 1420 🔗

Is it true that the scientists behind the ZOE app are losing funding?

And, if so, could this be because their conclusions from their science is not in line with their funders’ ‘scientific’ view point? I really hope I’m wrong on both parts…

387796 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 7, #615 of 1420 🔗

not losing funding just not being supported in new funding for long covid research

Zoe has been great but the government and SAGE ignores it anyway so no real point

387798 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #616 of 1420 🔗

The may not be deemed ‘safe hands’ for long covid research?

387804 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 8, #617 of 1420 🔗

They are opening a whole new wing of Stoke Mandeville to deal with long covid – I imagine it will be quietly re-purposed in future. This is all fear mongering to get us to accept lockdown

387814 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Major Panic, 5, #618 of 1420 🔗

It’s a shot across his bow. He has been somewhat critical of the ICL analysis so he is being denied funding for the extension of the Zoe work.

387839 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #619 of 1420 🔗

Tim Spector taught me. He is meticulous and details obsessed, no nonsense, facts only sort of person in my experience. I expect he is disliked for being honest and being an evidence based scientist.

387801 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 6, #620 of 1420 🔗

Know your rights. Learn common law. Must means may in legalese. The government and the authorities are acting ‘ultra vires’

387820 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jinks, 4, #621 of 1420 🔗

The government and the authorities are acting ‘ultra vires’”

I think they are, and so does Lord Sumption

Sadly the courts didn’t agree

387832 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Julian, 5, #622 of 1420 🔗

And this will be the undoing of the courts as well all the other institutions complicit in this crime, when TSHTF.

387975 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jinks, #623 of 1420 🔗

The courts aren’t ‘complicit’. This is a political problem, rooted in our raddled ‘constitution’.

Of course – the perpetrators – the Tory government – would love the ‘undoing of the courts’, just as they have loved the undoing of a diverse press.

387867 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Jinks, 5, #624 of 1420 🔗

The constitutional legal framework of the UK is complex, being a mix of common law precedent, statutes old and new etc. The recent shift to a more and more codified system is not necessarily a good thing. as it only further puts power in the hands of an unelected judiciary (as in the USA).
The most worrying development post-2016 has been the willingness of Blair’s Supreme Court to involve itself with political decisions and everyday governance; but this was to be expected, as this was the intention. Tory governments have likewise bought into the Supreme Court project, even though it has worked against them of late.
This is not meant as a party political point but merely to signpost that the concentration of real power into the hands of the unelected elites has proceeded apace in recent years without any meaningful opposition beyond frustrated and much derided populism . No LibLabCon party will ever dismantle the unelected House of Cronies either.

387969 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #625 of 1420 🔗

The recent shift to a more and more codified system is not necessarily a good thing. “

That may be true – certainly the US holds out no worthy example in terms of the power of a written constitution, but the best examples of legal protection (although few) have come from continental Europe.

But, neither does the Scotch Mist of common law ad hoc protection provide much comfort in the UK.

So the options remain open.

As to the Supreme Court – well, there may be better, but your appeal to ‘populism’ and simple majoritarian elections is absolutely no answer to fundamental protection of rights.

What we have currently is popularly supported – and all dictators pretend to simple majoritarianism – aka brainless ‘populism’.

388058 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to RickH, 2, #626 of 1420 🔗

the power of a written constitution

I am not sure whether you are wilfully misrepresenting the UK constitution here, the majority of which IS indeed written . The difference being, unlike the USA, it is not codified . Far from being a ‘scotch mist of common law ad hoc protection’ the UK constitution embodies centuries of statute and political principles (such as the crucial 1689 Bill of Rights).
The Bill of Rights can be read alongside Magna Carta, the Petition of Right, the Habeas Corpus Act 1679 and the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949 as just some of the core written elements of the uncodified but nonetheless powerful UK constitution; and this before we move to precedent and common law protections.
As such, as an ever evolving body of thought and legislation, it has succeeded in enabling advances in society in often turbulent times where simplified (and often badly drafted) codified constitutions (that reflect the political bias of the times) have failed. Crucially, as I already mentioned, it leaves the power in the hands of elected lawmakers and not the unelected judges.
To dismiss the UK constitution in such an offhand way suggests you have perhaps failed to grasp its significance as a guarantor of civil liberties, albeit a complex one.

388090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #627 of 1420 🔗

And model for the US one.

387828 WasSteph, 8, #628 of 1420 🔗

Just been for a drive around our village and the next. Absolutely nothing open.
Disappointing but not unexpected. We are in the current Home Secretary’s constituency. Next Village along is not.

387833 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 6, #629 of 1420 🔗

This is a genuine advert. Retards!

387838 ▶▶ Annie, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #630 of 1420 🔗

Stops covvie, does it?

387852 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #631 of 1420 🔗

Good grief!!!!!

387876 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #632 of 1420 🔗

I bet Kier has one of those on order.

387880 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #633 of 1420 🔗

Thanks Covid Kid. But quite a few of us aren’t retards, you know ? 🙂

387887 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to The Covid Kid, #634 of 1420 🔗

Spotters guide to corona bollocks… 50 points if you spot anyone wearing one of these helmets. 50 bonus points if seen worn outside.

387900 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Dan L, 1, #635 of 1420 🔗

Haha like it

388074 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to The Covid Kid, #636 of 1420 🔗

I would bang their heads together but that’s probably one of the few things it does protect against!

387837 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 1, #637 of 1420 🔗

Tedros has written an article. Take a wild guess as to which publication it was in.

387857 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Caramel, 2, #638 of 1420 🔗

Would that be the Guardian by any chance? In the Gates funded Global Development Section? Just a guess – or maybe The Beano.

388386 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to godowneasy, 1, #639 of 1420 🔗

Ding ding. The Guardian and yes, in that section.

387877 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Caramel, 1, #640 of 1420 🔗

The Beano?

388026 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Caramel, #641 of 1420 🔗

The Beano?

388076 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Caramel, #642 of 1420 🔗

China Times?

388399 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #643 of 1420 🔗

The Guardian. In the Gates funded Global Development Section.

387840 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 3, #644 of 1420 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted, but it really shows the manipulation of the ‘Rona death figures. Long read.

387860 ▶▶ isobar, replying to smileymiley, 4, #645 of 1420 🔗

Yes, long but essential reading. Does a ‘weapons grade’ demolition of the claimed Covid body counts.

387889 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to smileymiley, 4, #646 of 1420 🔗

The picture of Handcock crying laughing. Funny how when these maniacs leaders, influencers, plastic tv stars pretend to cry they always have tears rolling out of 1 eye.

Do they learn that in acting classes.

387842 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #647 of 1420 🔗

Hancock: our very own Ted Bundy

387859 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Cecil B, #648 of 1420 🔗

Ted had connections to politics to 😉

387875 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 4, #649 of 1420 🔗

Used to love watching Married with Children…

387898 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cecil B, 3, #650 of 1420 🔗

Bundy was handsome and charismatic though. Hancock, while also being a mass-murderer, is neither.

387845 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #651 of 1420 🔗

Oh joy, our town, already made hideous with innumerable antisocial hoardings, is now plastered with mustard-yellow boards showing the way to our lovely new jabberwockery, which is in the sports centre.
Knowing our rector, I’m amazed that the Holy Sacramental Jab isn’t being adminjstered in his Supercovidian Pseudochurch.

387939 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Annie, 1, #652 of 1420 🔗

I somehow get the impression that you are not in favour then?

387858 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 23, #653 of 1420 🔗

This post won’t mean much to anyone born after about 1975, unless you were directly affected by the issue through personal experience. I’ve been watching Channel 4’s drama ‘It’s a Sin’ which documents the AIDS plague (as it was known then) through the 1980s. Now the epidemic chart which was circulating last year showing Covid to be the 23rd most serious of 24 epidemics in modern times puts AIDS at about 9th with mortality ten times what Covid was when that chart was drawn up. (And probably still is.) I’m not a member of the gay community but I worked in theatre back then so knew a lot of people who were and the writer, Russell Davies, has done a particularly good job of recreating the times. The paranoia, the fear, the unknowns. At one point – and I remember this – a radio programme hosted by Michael Buerk had one ‘expert’ (and now with social media we have thousands of the fuckers) saying that AIDS was very likely to become an airborne virus, to which Buerk’s response was ‘then we’ll all be dead.’ (See even then the BBC were scaremongering.) That’s how genuinely frightening it was. And not just in the gay community. Government TV ads said anyone who was sexually active could get it and you could even catch it off toilet seats. (Plus ca change plus la meme chose.) And for all that nothing stopped. People may have changed their sexual habits but no-one closed theatres, pubs, restaurants. No-one walked around in fucking masks. No-one (except perhaps the sexual bigots of the day) kept their distance. And although you might think twice about hugging a gay colleague (yeah the propaganda was that intimidating) you still did it. The news (not 24 hours then) was full of young emaciated men in hospital beds taking their last breaths and I had many friends who died (and none this time from Covid). BUT NOTHING STOPPED! I don’t know if it was Davies’s intention to bring a comparison between the two (I suspect not though I haven’t researched it) but he’s done a brilliant job in that respect anyway. That was a really, genuinely scary time and it’s good to be reminded of it. It brings perspective and this current bulshit pales in comparison. But even so we have lockdowns galore. So are people still going to tell me this is all about a virus (ten times less virulent than AIDS)? Bollocks.

387878 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to HoMojo, 1, #654 of 1420 🔗

That was a really, genuinely scary time …

My Aunt Fanny was it; though Chernobyl was mildly worrying.

Well done on rescuing yourself from the ‘frightened by government’ group this time around, Homo Jo. 🙂

387892 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to JohnB, 4, #655 of 1420 🔗

I wasn’t frightened by the government last time and presumably you weren’t working in the business I was, because I can tell you people were more scared of AIDS than they were of Chernobyl fall out. Maybe you were going through a celibate or monogamous phase.

387949 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to HoMojo, 3, #656 of 1420 🔗

My recollection is that yours is correct. Re. the path lab experience, I recall the scares about bloody injuries on the sports field.

But it certainly didn’t dominate existence, although people got a bit paranoid about sex.

387899 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to HoMojo, 4, #657 of 1420 🔗

I worked in a pathology lab at the time of the AIDS scare. We didn’t have many samples coming in from AIDS patients and most samples were treated as normal. Only those which had come in notified as from an AIDS patient were treated any differently. There was initial wariness over handling those samples, particularly blood or blood products (plasma) and care was taken with them but once the careful handling and labelling became routine there was no fear that I can recall


388024 ▶▶ ituex, replying to HoMojo, 1, #658 of 1420 🔗

We didn’t wear masks to see HIV patients (or any others) in hospital and routinely wearing gloves for taking blood came a bit later.

388080 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to HoMojo, 2, #659 of 1420 🔗

The start of Fauci’s rise to power as the most highly paid government employee in USA (including President!). And the Band Played On tells the story including the many deaths from using AZT chemotherapy drugs long-term.


388343 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to HoMojo, #660 of 1420 🔗

I remember the fear propaganda and the telly adverts. The implication was that we would be stepping over corpses with a grey, smoking post-apocalyptic landscape as backdrop.

387861 JHUNTZ, 9, #661 of 1420 🔗

One car jouurney and saw a total of seven people wearing masks in cars. Scotland is gone it’s not just MSM hype.

387863 awildgoose, 2, #662 of 1420 🔗

Fake vax clinic busted in Ecuador:


I’m surprised they didn’t summarily execute the doctor as an example.

387864 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 3, #663 of 1420 🔗

Saw a civilian with a high vis vest and (huge) mask outside. You can’t be too careful!

387896 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan L, 2, #664 of 1420 🔗

will the high viz not attract marauding covids?

387903 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Major Panic, 3, #665 of 1420 🔗

No it’s warning to the virus like the stripes on a bee. It might be a cruel virus, but it is also fiendish and knows not to mess with the high vized.

387865 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #666 of 1420 🔗

(Deeply depressing satire alert) – Happy birthday Coroni – yes, it’s 12 months since W.H.O. declared the pandemic. And boy, what a year it’s been. Can’t wait for the next one. Let’s raise a glass shall we?

387868 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 4, #667 of 1420 🔗

I wonder how long people sang happy birthday while washing their hands for before deciding it was ridiculous.

388078 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 2, #668 of 1420 🔗

You can’t even blow out the candles on the cake.

387866 Edmund Mortimer, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 3, #669 of 1420 🔗

I’ve just done the government’s coronavirus antibody test, which was sent to me through the post. I agreed to do it because although I’m completely against the lockdown tyranny I have no objection to information being collected for statistical purposes; indeed, the more objective information, the better. Noteworthy that every illustration in the instruction leaflet was brown or female or both.

387882 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 2, #670 of 1420 🔗

I would suggest that if you’re neither brown nor female then you are ‘exempt’!


387901 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 4, #671 of 1420 🔗

A bit like TV adverts, then. This tick-box placement of people and characters based on things like ethnicity, sex, and so on, is incredibly divisive.

387922 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #672 of 1420 🔗

It’s meant to be !! Divide & conquer !!

387937 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, -1, #673 of 1420 🔗

No. They’re just potentially important variables in any investigation.

387914 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 2, #674 of 1420 🔗

We all know that antibodies after covid is not a reliable measure. The T cells in the body fight the virus

387881 Cecil B, 5, #675 of 1420 🔗

Lockdown protesters take to the streets of Rotterdam

Time to be confirmed

Hey man, only in Dutchland


387883 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 2, #676 of 1420 🔗


A very well presented look at the sudden rise in deaths since the killer vaccine rollout in the UK. The last chart presented is the most troubling. It suggests that so far, the vaccine is possibly responsible for 0.37% of deaths in the vaccinated. Shocking if true.

387934 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jinks, 4, #677 of 1420 🔗

No – it’s not ‘very well presented’, I’m afraid. Compare Ivor Cummins’s presentations.

He’s missing several things – not least the fact that post-Christmas jumps in mortality figures are not unusual. Although lower, the 2019 figures do the same.

I wouldn’t use this as evidence without doing work on the figures and using graphical summary.

388051 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, 1, #678 of 1420 🔗

That was my impression too. I might be being unfair, I stopped watching as he seemed to be taking a very long time to explain that he hasn’t done much in-depth analysis. He failed to look at previous years or the impact on reporting of the bank holidays falling at a different point during the reporting period.

387938 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jinks, #679 of 1420 🔗


As you say, an excellent and clear objective analysis of hard facts. He is at pains to say that his observations may prove to be baseless but it is intriguing that there has been such a spike in all cause mortality progressively over the last two weeks of December and through January 2021. The increase in mortality for the respective age ranges 0-79 and 80+ as a % of the total numbers of vaccinations given is 0.37% in both cases. ( I see that, in response to a BTL comment, Dan confirms that whilst there have been slight increases in deaths over the same period in previous years, they have not been as significant as the latest trend.)

Whilst this (0.37%) could appear to be more than a coincidence, I wonder whether basing the analysis on the total numbers of first and second doses given, rather than just the number of people who have been vaccinated (irrespective of whether first or second dose), in some way distorts the point being investigated. I am not a statistician so I may be talking b*llocks!

387884 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 29, #680 of 1420 🔗

How to deal with a pandemic pre 2020

– Isolate the sick
– Protect the Vulnerable
– Increase hospital capacity
– Practice good hygiene

What was actually implemented

– Test and isolate the healthy
– Expose the vulnerable
– The rule of 6
– Eat a substantial meal
– One way systems in shops
– Decrease hospital capacity
– Face coverings worn as a fashion accessory
– Clapping on a Thursday evening

387904 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hubes, 7, #681 of 1420 🔗

Point well made.

You might add a few more – my top one would be :

Communicate the true picture proportionately and unsensationally / Lie like fuck

387885 penelope pitstop, replying to penelope pitstop, 15, #682 of 1420 🔗

Ohhh boy … i’ve a zoom social call later with some people I don’t know very well and not sure I can psych myself for it.
One works for a company that tests vaccines and is all gung ho for the vaxx and has booked a jab so very pro the establishment and pharma etc; one is a nurse who has had first dose of the poison (had some minor side effects but ok); and the other two how imbibe the official narrative as gospel.
I’m not one to talk about fairy cakes, handbags, kids etc as don’t have any of these (I’m not your typical midaged woman), and find it difficult to keep my gob shut (become more gobby and political since this shitshow).
God give me strength to be “nice”!! 🙂

387893 ▶▶ MichalP, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #683 of 1420 🔗

Why put yourself through it? Isn’t it better just to spend time on something you will enjoy? All the best.

387894 ▶▶ Janette, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #684 of 1420 🔗

Well at least you can have a rant on here later to let us know how it goes!

387897 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #685 of 1420 🔗

Your internet connection could suddenly become unreliable!

387905 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #686 of 1420 🔗

you could discuss the enormous increase in deaths amongst the over 80s shortly after the vaccine rollout (someone posted a graph yesterday but i can’t find it)

But remember correlation can only be causation when it favours the pharmaceutical companies

387911 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #687 of 1420 🔗

I reckon bullet-proof context will be important in this one, given that this is the season for deaths in the older population. It’s the other side that doesn’t have to bother about such things.

387915 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, #688 of 1420 🔗

true – any suggestions?

387921 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #689 of 1420 🔗

Previous ONS age-related all-cause mortality figures?

The weekly bulletins have that.

Actually – 2019 should be relatively low. Getting averages might be a bit of a pain, but the 5-year from 2015-2019 might be feasible without too much hassle.

387916 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, #690 of 1420 🔗

It would help if you could locate this ‘graph’.

387929 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mayo, 3, #691 of 1420 🔗

I think he refers to the below graph from the following tweet


 “Over 80s Deaths almost exceed wave 1, 9 months into a pandemic, epidemic, Nick Hancock has failed to properly shield, protect & save our over 80s. Or Deaths from covid are being over recorded in this age group. Both cannot be true, is it failure or fraud? What do you think?

388033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, #692 of 1420 🔗


387918 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Major Panic, 2, #693 of 1420 🔗

i’ll see if the conversation swings round to the vaxx and ask an ‘innocent’ query like “what do you think about the situation in gibraltar with increased deaths”
Going out to high street first to see if any shops open…

388038 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #694 of 1420 🔗

well they had nothing to do with a transport plane landing in Gib a few days earlier with a cargo of vaccines for the frail elderly

388073 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Major Panic, 1, #695 of 1420 🔗


A very well presented look at the sudden rise in deaths since the killer vaccine rollout in the UK. The last chart presented is the most troubling. It suggests that so far, the vaccine is possibly responsible for 0.37% of deaths in the vaccinated. Shocking if true. It’s on his blog also

388046 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #696 of 1420 🔗

I have a similar dilemma – a zoom “meeting” with 3 old friends, 2 of which are lockdown-supporters and the other one agnostic. I find it exhausting to try to argue with them because, quite frankly, they (like most other lockdown zealots) are ignorant. They believe that Covid is unprecedented (never heard of the Asian Flu or Hong Kong Flu) and that lockdown is just something you do in a “pandemic”. I think this is one of the huge problems we face when trying to turn around public opinion – most people are just lazy and trust the media and government way too much. If the media is just a propaganda arm of the government and the general public is just too lazy to do their own research, it’s extremely difficult to sway them.

387890 Major Panic, 2, #697 of 1420 🔗

excellent very short video in ’round up’ explaining things in simple terms – short and easy to watch videos like this are great for showing to bedwetting family/friends – probably helpful for scientists obsessing about an endemic virus being labelled a ‘second wave’


387895 The Covid Kid, 3, #698 of 1420 🔗

Can I suggest ‘Land of Hope & Glory’ as an ironic Theme Tune? 🤔

387902 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #699 of 1420 🔗

30th January. Were shops supposed to be opening – in protest – today?

387909 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tenchy, 17, #700 of 1420 🔗

this could only work if done on mass – unfortunately, unlike the Italians, Polish, French, our tanks are firmly jammed in reverse

UK Gov and MSM propaganda reigns supreme – Goebbels would have been so impressed, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as ‘truth’

387912 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tenchy, #701 of 1420 🔗

Nothing round here, maybe in major cities

387967 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #702 of 1420 🔗

Rubbish here also, though entirely predictable after the howls of protest we received when mooting the idea. Weather hasn’t helped. Suppose people are less revolutionary when it’s raining. Loads of people said they would turn up and er … haven’t.

Plod’s done a circuit of the empty park. He wandered round looking very interested in a dogwood shrub whilst trying to get a sneaky peak of what we were up to. Then gave me a cheery wave as he walked past. I gave him a cheery something else in response.

Good news is that someone has moved the cordons around on the bandstand and people are using the benches. And Bella the dog continues to defy orders!

387974 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 2, #703 of 1420 🔗

I’m sure he appreciated your blowing him a cheery (or was it cheeky?) kiss.

387980 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #704 of 1420 🔗

Nothing in Shrewsbury and town centre like death even on a sat though the weather was shite lol. There were more homeless in the shop doorways than shoppers on the streets. What a great society we have become! Everyone in masks too except the homeless.

387928 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 10, #705 of 1420 🔗

1 shop In Edinburgh which was surrounded by police when I mooched along to have a look. Think the owner was arrested. Sad to see the Royal Mile full of closed and boarded up restaurants, shops and pubs. They all need to open to have any impact.

387954 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Tenchy, 5, #706 of 1420 🔗

Unfortunately the financial incentives from the government to stay shut, coupled with the billions spent on brainwashing more or less prevented the success of this. Good to know that your tax money is being used against you.

387981 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tenchy, 6, #707 of 1420 🔗

The only place I saw this morning, which may or may not have been participating, was in a building with a stairway leading to a hairdressers. The door was ajar and the lights were on.

No doubt the mainstream media, if they mention it at all, will say that the great reopening was a complete flop and will celebrate the fact that independent businesses are unable to operate.

Private Eye nowadays is part of the mainstream media, and recently I chose not to renew my subscription, partly because they fail to question the mainstream narrative on covid, and also because the funny bits are now mostly routine, predictable, and not very funny. Today I received an automated letter (on paper) saying that their direct debit attempt had failed with the bank saying “Instruction cancelled”. Of course it was, I cancelled it myself! The letter continues, “I am sure this is an administrative error…. If you have recently contacted us directly to cancel your subscription, please ignore this message”. No it isn’t, yes I did, and yes I am doing. Looks like the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing at PE.

388023 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Edward, 2, #708 of 1420 🔗

You are sadly right about the ‘Eye’

It has been quite good on corporate corruption, but it is far from radical – more a public school sixth form rag-mag.

It’ll take the harmless piss out of ‘Brenda’ and family, but will, in the last analysis, knuckle under to the core establishment fables.

387989 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 4, #709 of 1420 🔗

Just about every shop unit pub and restaurant in every town in the country is rented or owned by a big corporate. Carbon copy town centres. Corporate theme parks.

Today is dank and miserable. The public are brainwashed, downtrodden and demoralised. The cops are on a hair trigger, all those covid cops with nothing to do for the last year. This is their big day. Resistance will not be tolerated.

I hope there is some successfully openings but I can’t see it happening. It’s almost not worth fighting for the opening of your local socially distanced, plastic screened, tracked n traced face nappy hand sanitizer hell zone that used to be your local pub anyway.

I am, in a way not that bothered, because if they do open up they will have people in them that went along with all this bullshit. The brainwashed and I don’t think I can talk to people who went along with this bollocks again.

388043 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Two-Six, #710 of 1420 🔗

Unless a business owns the freehold of its premises, it would be risky for it to go against guidelines.

387923 Victoria, 8, #711 of 1420 🔗

39-year-old nurse aide dies ‘within 48 hours’ of receiving mandated COVID-19 shot [US]

387924 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #712 of 1420 🔗

UK priest, bishops reveal gov’t has asked clergy to push COVID vaccines

 ‘We have been asked to encourage parishioners to accept the opportunity to be vaccinated, and at the same time to strongly counter misinformation on social media regarding the vaccine.’


387945 ▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, 4, #713 of 1420 🔗

Given that worship has such low priority in peoples lives nowadays can’t see this taking off the ground. Talk about desperation.

387971 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 5, #714 of 1420 🔗

This is Catholic clergy. They have, or at least claim, more influence over their faithful than Anglican clergy do.
Until Covidianism replaced Christianity, Catholics were exhorted to eschew drugs whose development was tainted by association with abortion, illegal medical experiments, etc. Remember the hooh-ha over rubella?
But now that’s all gone by the board.
‘You have confessed to the heinous sin of critical thinking. Say a hundred Hail Marys, wear five face nappies one on top of the other, go get your snake oil, and don’t forget your gift to Holy Mother Church, always with you on Zoom.’

387982 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 3, #715 of 1420 🔗

PS. Here’s a nice bit of moral wriggling-on-the-hook:

‘On December 21st, 2020, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith released a ‘Note on the Morality of Using Some Anti-Covid 19 Vaccines’. In this document they reiterate the concepts from the prior documents, stating that it is licit to use COVID-19 vaccines that are associated with aborted fetal tissue if no reasonable alternatives exist, and that “the licit use of such vaccines does not and should not in any way imply that there is a moral endorsement of the use of cell lines proceeding from aborted fetuses.”‘


388012 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, 1, #716 of 1420 🔗

This from a faith that promotes ritual symbolic cannibalism on a regular basis 🙂

387990 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 3, #717 of 1420 🔗

So very nearly right, Annie. The back-of-the-bog Irish Catholic priest would always say “Holy Mother The Church”. It’s unassailable, just like “The Science”.
But you did give me a good chuckle.

(The Catholic clergy from the top down (especially the very top) seemed to be mired in the same sort of relativist nonsense as Welby and his Arschlecker bishops.)

387925 Sam Vimes, 16, #718 of 1420 🔗

Does anybody remember at the start of the shitshow, Bunter said they would be reporting with ‘complete transparency’? Well, you can certainly see right through all of their lies.

387927 Nobody2021, 18, #719 of 1420 🔗

Pandemic Logic

In the past if one of your neighbours decided to cut off all human contact to avoid respiratory infections of any kind you’d have thought they were bonkers.

Today it’s not bonkers to think that it’s ok for whole countries do to the same.

387931 JME, replying to JME, #720 of 1420 🔗

387968 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to JME, #721 of 1420 🔗


388083 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JME, #722 of 1420 🔗

Who cares what John Major says?

387933 OKUK, 24, #723 of 1420 🔗

Who cares who wins? There is absolutely no transparency about vaccine effects. In the UK adverse reaction reports are treated like state secrets. Unlike in Norway or Ireland, the UK authorities adopt the omerta code when it comes to deaths of very old and frail people as a result of receiving the vaccine. I am not an anti-vaxxer because I do believe they can on occasion have a role role to play in health risk management. But I have serious concerns about what should really be called vaccination dogma:

1. There is no doubt there is a strong profit motivation behind the vaccine drive. For Big Pharma these are perfect products: nearly everyone receives the product and often once a year, while the product remains under patent protection for years, allowing monopolistic pricing policies. They have no incentive to try out cheap effective treatments such as Ivermectin.
2. Big Pharma is exerting a corrupting influence on health ministries, academia, medical disciplines, publichealth officials and epidemiologists. Big Pharma only funds and promotes research that is biased in favour of vaccines. Only professionals who support extreme vaccination get invited on the Big Pharma gravy train.

3. The vaxomanes (virtually all the well known epidemiologists are to be numbered among them) support what I call extreme vaccination: multiple vaccination for ever increasing numbers of diseases. Big Pharma and its front organisations like the shadowy “Vaccine Centre”, based at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (and strongly backed by the Imperial College gang) support extreme vaccination. They state explicitly that they wish everyone to be vaccinated for all communicable diseases. But it’s clear they won’t stop at communicate diseases. The new mRNA vaccines will be able to alter physiological states and will no doubt be used to tackle a variety of conditions from obesity to neuroses.

4. What has been the record of vaccination so far? I believe its positice effects in the 19th and 20th century have been hugely overstated. Far more important were advances in sanitation, housing, nutrition, public health and medicine. Since the rise of multiple vaccination around 2000 we have seen a collapse in children’s health: asthma, food allergies, autism, obesity and mental ill health all having serious impacts. No one can say for sure whether or not there is causal link but we can say that multiple vaccination has nit ushered in a golden age of health for children.

5. I find it extremely concerning that free speech on vaccination has been closed down completely by the MSM and social media monopolies so no one can challenge the Extreme Vaccination policy.

6. Let’s assume that flu and Covid vaccines all work perfectly and these respiratory viruses are eliminated. Will 85 year olds suddenly spring out of bed drawing in huge lungfuls of air, feeling reborn and re-energised. Of course not. They will still be prey to lung infections. But now we have created, through vaccination, the ideal conditions for rise of yet another novel pathogen, perhaps of a type far more deadly than Covid.

387936 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #724 of 1420 🔗

Another case of a body-builder dying with covid
There do seem to have been a number of deaths linked to body building, very strange, it is as if the body building leads to their body having an over-reaction to the virus.

387943 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #725 of 1420 🔗

Top athletes have lower immune systems

387952 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, 6, #726 of 1420 🔗

I get the impression they’re like racehorses, highly tuned for what they do but a bit susceptible to common ailments.

387948 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #727 of 1420 🔗

As sad as it may be for those who knew him I don’t really see the point in the story.

I do note that because there is no evidence that he retweeted a Tweet by JHB his death is considered tragic and therefore it was the virus that killed him. However, had there been evidence of retweeting then it would have beeh JHB’s fault.

387960 ▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #728 of 1420 🔗

just the MSM doing their job for the government to highlight the unusual cases where it is someone aged under 50 who has died so that the sheeple believe that it happens to fit young people as often as it happens to old people

387976 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #729 of 1420 🔗

A link to steroid use perhaps.??

388071 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, 1, #730 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps any steroidal treatments don’t work very well due to high tolerance? Don’t know if you get “tolerant” to steroids.

387940 Victoria, 14, #731 of 1420 🔗

Peruvian court rules that Bill Gates, George Soros and Rockefeller family “created” coronavirus pandemic

387944 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #732 of 1420 🔗

It’s the end of January, was Eurosurvelance not meant to come back with its response to the demand for the retraction the Drosden PCR paper – have I missed it?

387950 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 6, #733 of 1420 🔗

Our PCR Test Complaint On Behalf Of Dr. Wodarg And The Complaint Against Drosten And Subsequent Complaints

The complaint is pending at the Regional Court of Berlin under the file number 27 O 436/20. On account of an “oversight” – which we consider very strange – the complaint was only delivered to the opposing party weeks after its submission. It was alleged that the court fees which we had remitted had erroneously been booked as payment for a final settlement of accounts and only when – after our phone call – this “oversight” was put right was the complaint formally delivered. We are now waiting for the opposing party to reply.

The complaint against Drosten is based on the Cease-and-Desist letter to Drosten:



387995 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 4, #734 of 1420 🔗

Thank you, this is one of the excellent court cases, I was referring to numerous scientists demanding the Drosden PCR paper published in Jan last year be retracted


387946 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 26, #735 of 1420 🔗

So it looks like the open up campaign in Italy has worked – RTE reporting that Italy is easing restrictions in most regions:


387961 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #736 of 1420 🔗

Viva Italia!

387951 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 29, #737 of 1420 🔗

Approaching the issue of mask mandates from a medical or health point of view is pointless.
If ever a science was settled, it’s on masks: they are definetely useless- even for surgeons and dentists-, likely dangerous, and both most certainly so as community masks in light of the practical issues and their prevalent mishandling then.
As politicians and ‘scientists’ definetely are aware of all this, it is clear, certain and even already expressively confirmed by them, that masks and mask mandates were and are solely about psychology, creating and upholding fear, and above all about displaying assent and obedience.
Discussing mask mandates from a health or medical POV is just as appropriate as discussing the Hitler Salute from that POV, for example by suggesting it’s good exercise….

387956 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JayBee, 11, #738 of 1420 🔗

Surgeon Destroys Myth: ‘If Masks Don’t Work, Why Do Surgeons Wear Them?’

387973 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 3, #739 of 1420 🔗

Excellent article.

Thank you Victoria.


388065 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 4, #740 of 1420 🔗

Start with this 1980 study and all the ones afterwards that showed the same results:


Wearing masks during surgery actually make post-operative infections worse.

388137 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Victoria, 4, #741 of 1420 🔗

Saw this in July last year on SOTT website and still people resist this. As Ivor Cumins points out: 40 years of scientific research says masks are rubbish, but bandy about a couple of recent papers put out for political reasons and now their efficacy is indisputable for the sheeple. Remember the WHO changed their opinion on masks (originally – don’t wear them) for political reasons linked with UK being their biggest funder after Gates once Trump withdrew. It’s exactly what JayBee says: a clear signal of servility and obedience and a visual lie that Covid is more deadly for the majority of the population than it actually is.

387953 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #742 of 1420 🔗

Pharmacies that have been turned into “Vaccination Centres” – does anyone know if they are still operating as normal pharmacies or are the plebs denied access to medications for the duration?

I ask because I happened to walk past my local pharmacy just yesterday only to discover it has indeed been turned into a jabberwockery (thanks Annie!) – there were two elderly and depressed people waiting outside in the chill wind for their turn (one in a wheelchair) – and three (yes, three!) high vized and masked up Jabbing Marshals (or whatever they’re called) appearing to regulate access.

So will I be allowed to collect my monthly prescription, or do I have to forgo it to save lives?

388063 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #743 of 1420 🔗

Not seen anyone getting jabbed in any vaccination centre I’ve been to or passed the past 2 weeks.

388233 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #744 of 1420 🔗

They are using the health centre in our market town with an ageing, government-trusting demographic. It’s actually rammed; people were asked to turn up five minutes before their appointment but we’re rocking up 90 minutes early. People were fainting (this was in last week’s heavy snow) and they had to rouse the local Lions and Rotarians volunteers to organise the queues. It would have been funny if, well, you know.

387955 rockoman, 13, #745 of 1420 🔗
  • “THE STORY:No record found: the SARS-CoV-2 virus that allegedly causes COVID has still, to this date, never been isolated. Countless governments and organizations worldwide have failed to produce evidence of its existence when challenged.
  • THE IMPLICATIONS:The world has been shut down and people’s lives have been decimated over a lie and a superstition that could well be the biggest fraud ever perpetuated on humanity as a whole.


387962 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #746 of 1420 🔗

Bojo’s plan to initially relax lockdown to enable us all to get fitter is getting a good kicking: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9203827/Boris-Johnson-wants-exercise-rules-lockdown-relaxed-schools-reopen.html#comments

What about people’s mental health? Oh, I forgot, we are all supposed to be drones now.

387963 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 9, #747 of 1420 🔗

Johnson, who wrote endless articles about how much he hated BIG Government

387970 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 8, #748 of 1420 🔗

Yes, the worm turned when he became part of BIG Government and turned again into a snake when he became PM

388094 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to DanClarke, 1, #749 of 1420 🔗

And now he wants a roadmap out of the lockdowns. More government not less. Bureaucracy gone mad.

388117 ▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 1, #750 of 1420 🔗

Except the “relaxations” he proposes are nothing of the sort – allowing more than one exercise session a day – never law, always guidance

387964 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 6, #751 of 1420 🔗

River’s Postulates are modifications of Koch’s Postulates for viral infection:

Sars Cov-2 fails them.

  1. “The viral agent must be found either in the host’s (animal or plant) body fluids at the time of disease or in cells showing lesions specific to that disease.
  2. The host material with the viral agent used to inoculate the healthy host (test organism) must be free of any other microorganism.
  3. The viral agent obtained from the infected host must produce the specific disease in a suitable healthy host, and/or provide evidence of infection by inducing the formation of antibodies specific to that agent.
  4. Similar material (viral particle) from the newly infected host (test organism) must be isolated and capable of transmitting the specific disease to other healthy hosts.


387972 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to rockoman, -3, #752 of 1420 🔗

What’s your conclusion? Do you see this as a problem? Maybe extracting this sort of virus in pure form is tough, but that’s not the end of the world since we have other methods of evidencing its existence?

387984 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #753 of 1420 🔗

If you’re going to downvote, tell me why you think I’m wrong. Happy to debate and happy for people to disagree, but downvoting without being able to articulate why is weak.

387994 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #754 of 1420 🔗

Yes – this sort of dumb knee-jerkery has become more common.

388010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 3, #755 of 1420 🔗

yup, i don’t understand them either but they give the half-witted ignorant a way to participate

387993 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #756 of 1420 🔗

So what are those other methods?

388013 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ewan Duffy, -1, #757 of 1420 🔗

Replicating it to high titer in Vero-CCL81 cells, then cataloguing the gene sequence and verifying that bits of sequence appear in so many others places that we can be confident (with some obscenely high level of confidence) that we are seeing common RNA from innumerable different sources.

I don’t even feel the burden of proof is on me when people are talking Koch’s / River’s postulates, because the person deeming these postulates the gold standard is essentially claiming (in my view) that “unless you can breed fish out of water, fish don’t exist”. Clearly that is deeply flawed logic.

At least, that was my conclusion in March of last year on this subject, and I haven’t seen anything since to encourage me to change this perspective.

388069 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, #758 of 1420 🔗

A downvote… from someone with a good reason, or from someone who doesn’t have the brains to put together a coherent counter-argument? I guess we can’t know, so justified or not they certainly haven’t added anything of value to the debate.

387978 Ken Gardner, replying to Ken Gardner, 7, #759 of 1420 🔗

This graph was part of a Daily Mail Online article posted here earlier (on the subject of government estimates of total pandemic deaths – but that’s not really the point). It’s difficult to see the precise time scale, but it appears daily “cases” in UK started to decline steeply in early January. Of course we all know this is a graph of positive PCR tests, but if the government figures are to be believed, there should soon be a corresponding steep decline in “Covid” deaths. I somehow doubt we will see that….

388022 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ken Gardner, 5, #760 of 1420 🔗

I think we will see a rapid decline in the data the government goes by

‘cases’ have halved since peak and hospital numbers heading down

‘deaths’ have peaked a week ago

388032 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #761 of 1420 🔗

forgot link, but you probably all know it


388035 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 4, #762 of 1420 🔗

This would be the normal winter pattern.

388079 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ken Gardner, 8, #763 of 1420 🔗

This is oging to be hard for them to explain. That drop in “Cases”, we know they have dropped the cycles, they are fiddeling with who gets tested now, its not students, its not school kids, its “key” workers, carers, not that many of them in the population.

With lockdown many other workers aren’t getting tested for work reasons. It’s going to be hard for them to keep up the casedemic, also the novelty of getting swabbed has got to be wearing off from the normies. Many know how its just a cold as they now know loads of people who have tested positive and haven’t died or even been that ill. Many will have had to self isolate and so have their children or whatever.

So hard for them to scrape up enough “cases” now. Of course they will say it was the NPI’s and the vaccine….Yes it really was….

The deaths….well who cares about them if they get jabbed, they died of old age, who cares..

387983 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #764 of 1420 🔗

Australian Open to allow up to 30,000 fans a day at Melbourne Park – Interesting development down under. My gut is that it is going to be used as a window to showcase how lockdowns should be done and how to have a ‘Covid secure’ sporting complex which allows spectators. Any thoughts on this?

388009 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steeve, 1, #765 of 1420 🔗

How is the football season going in Belarus?

388041 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to rockoman, #766 of 1420 🔗

Are they on winter break?

388028 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Steeve, 1, #767 of 1420 🔗

Desperate Dan and his cohorts will be unbearably smug now…

388040 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ken Gardner, #768 of 1420 🔗

I fear it may be a very smug affair!

388111 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 1, #769 of 1420 🔗

Yes, also propaganda for zero covid policy

387992 Paul, replying to Paul, 49, #770 of 1420 🔗

A friend was denied an eye examination at Specsavers this week because she can’t wear a mask.
She has extremely reduced lung capacity due to damage caused by a childhood illness.Prior to her appointment,in a phone conversation with Specsavers,she made it clear she couldn’t wear a mask for medical reasons and after a bit of moaning and attempts at coercion they said it was okay.
Once she arrived at the branch for her appointment they asked her to mask up,she said she had already discussed the matter over the phone and would not be putting a muzzle on.The Specsavers staff said they did not accept medical exemptions and it was ‘no mask no service’.My friend stood her ground and pointed out that this was illegal medical discrimination but they were adamant and said ‘the optician’s wife is heavily pregnant so he won’t see anyone not wearing a mask’.
My friend had to give up and she wasn’t very pleased,the journey there involved a 20 mile round-trip drive.
I believe she has a good case against them under the Disabilities Act.

387996 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Paul, 21, #771 of 1420 🔗

She should absolutely pursue that – it’s outrageous!

388001 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Paul, 14, #772 of 1420 🔗

That is horrible behaviour on their part, really feel for your friend. I hope they have the stamina to go through with a complaint / prosecution, but it’s ridiculous that they should be having to go through that in order to access basic care.

388020 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Tee Ell, 21, #773 of 1420 🔗

She hasn’t had much luck surrounding masks.Last August she fell over and broke several ribs,as she was wheeled into A&E a stroppy nurse stopped the paramedics and pretty much forced her to wear a mask,she was crying out in pain but the nurse said if she didn’t wear one she couldn’t come in !.Once in A&E the doctor said ‘for god’s sake,take that bloody thing off her face !’.

388036 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Paul, 16, #774 of 1420 🔗

Properly heartbreaking. I’ve only been challenged on masks twice, and was refused entry (never to return) to one of those two places. But I’m young and healthy, if I’m discriminated against I can “suck it up” without much long term damage. For someone to be in pain and being rolled into A&E and for a nurse to decide this is the right time to go on their moral crusade is just… well I don’t really have the words!

388003 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul, 24, #775 of 1420 🔗

19 JAN
Avalanche of face-covering discrimination cases
In a typical week we receive about 20 enquiries. In the last 48 hours we have received over 400 – the vast majority about disability discrimination related to face coverings. Despite a relatively clear Government exemptions policy, most members of the public appear to believe that everyone must be masked. Some, put in a state of fear by the coronavirus scare, are resorting to harassment and discrimination.
We are not lawyers, and we do not believe that any face-covering discrimination case has been to court. We have acted in one case and that was settled out of court for £7,000. This was because the Claimant obviously could not wear a mask and she was prevented from accessing an essential service. The company concerned had no choice but to do what it could to put matters right as it had so obviously messed up. Some businesses who are prepared to admit fault and own up will settle, but others may dig-in.
In that situation, The Equality Act (or Disability Discrimination Act in Northern Ireland), which is believed to be the reason for the exemptions policy, can only be enforced by victims of discrimination taking cases to court. And, ultimately, only a court can decide if there has been discrimination and / or harassment in any particular case.
Legal aid is virtually non-existent and so lawyers are largely the preserve of the wealthy. Disabled people are not generally very rich. The idea of the county court small claims track is that claimants can use it themselves without lawyers. Using it is the only realistic way of making most Equality Act rights anything more than theoretical in England, with variations of this available in Scotland and Northern Ireland.
That doesn’t mean it’s easy though, but there is only really any point in using our template letter (posted in our last news item and based on the Equality Act 2010) if you are prepared to take that step afterwards if necessary. We cannot litigate as we are not solicitors, but sometimes support disabled litigants in person. Given the volume of enquiries at the moment it is unfortunately unlikely we will be able to directly help everyone. We are therefore hoping people can use the publicly available information that we use to pursue cases with confidence in their right to take action to protect basic civil rights.
At present it feels like disability discrimination is where race discrimination was in about 1950 and that can only be tackled by enforcing rights as described. We are recruiting staff so we can do more also.

388004 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Paul, 9, #776 of 1420 🔗

Surely, if they work and the ‘staff member had one on’, that should be enough.

388015 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to DanClarke, 7, #777 of 1420 🔗

Yes, exactly. “If your mask works, then I am not a threat to you….”

388017 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to DanClarke, 1, #778 of 1420 🔗

That logic only works if the claim is that masks are 100% effective. That isn’t the claim, so the logic doesn’t apply.

388014 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Paul, 25, #779 of 1420 🔗

” ‘ the optician’s wife is heavily pregnant so he won’t see anyone not wearing a mask ’.”

Then if he’s really that scared he shouldn’t be risking going ahead with the flimsy protection of a useless piece of cloth. He should be at home hiding under the bedclothes, where he belongs.

I’m sure he’s happy enough for half those working in the leisure, retail and travel industries to be forced by law to stop working, so why shouldn’t he do so?

388030 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 4, #780 of 1420 🔗

Yes,that’s along the lines of what my friend said to them but they were unmoved,the Specsavers woman did say that ‘a lot’ of people had complained about their masks policy.

388050 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 19, #781 of 1420 🔗

Quite right.

Why is being someone’s wife being ‘heavily pregnant’ an issue anyway? We have parted company with a local ‘zero waste’ trader who used to bring us a monthly delivery. Last time he came he refused to stand in our porch to take payment when it was raining stair-rods because ‘my wife is pregnant’ (nearly screamed at us, and by the way we know her well – he couldn’t even name her to us, he was so hysterical with terror!!)

We decided to spare him the obvious stress of having to deal with us plague-ridden bio-hazards and if he’s happy to forego our £50+ monthly order (sometimes more), that’s fine with us. Yet, a few months ago he was bleating about his business struggling.

Oh, and he had no trouble handing me his mobile card-reader and taking it back from my virus-ridden hand. I understand his wife is still alive and well.

I think Paul’s friend should sack these franchised opticians. I go to an independent one. Not as cheap but no rubbish about masks. MW

388179 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #782 of 1420 🔗

Agree. And you are doing the work of the just, removing your trade from a panicker – these people need to understand that they will lose money by pushing compliance as well as by allowing noncompliance. You can be certain they are being whined at constantly by the panickers.

388342 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, 1, #783 of 1420 🔗

Spot on!

388025 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 16, #784 of 1420 🔗

How horrible for your friend.

What I don’t get is why are all these places still getting it wrong (same with the supermarkets). Are they being willfully ignorant in order to catch those who aren’t aux fait with the rules.

388037 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 13, #785 of 1420 🔗

The strange thing is my dad went to the same branch a few weeks ago,said he wouldn’t wear a mask and had no problem.It seems like another case of women being seen as easy targets to discriminate against.
Over the past months every time my wife and my friend have had an issue about them being unmasked the perpetrator of the hassle has been a fellow female.

388062 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Paul, 14, #786 of 1420 🔗

Thank you for saying that! It is incredibly difficult out there for women at present. The aggression and the control deployed by both other women and men is so oppressive. As if there’s an unwritten standard of “niceness” that you must not deviate from. Like “nice girls wear masks”. As a mother with a female child, it’s even more unpleasant.

388124 ▶▶▶▶ DThom, replying to Paul, 6, #787 of 1420 🔗

Agree with you. All my challenges gave been from females acting beyond their remit.

388064 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Paul, 6, #788 of 1420 🔗

Cast iron.
Since when did Covid attack the husbands of
pregnant women?

388098 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Paul, 8, #789 of 1420 🔗

I went to Specsavers October last year (south coast town) and was only one in a very busy shop not wearing a mask. No one asked why and nor did they insist on hand-sanitiser although they pointed it out. (I tell them I have contact eczema). No-one cared except one old dear, a customer probably n her 80s, who complained. Staff asked me, presuming I was exempt and that was the end of it. I think Head Office would listen to your complaint.

388383 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to HoMojo, 1, #790 of 1420 🔗

From my own experience, those ”old dears” are far more pragmatic than the young ones, and far more likely to ”live and let live”. So don’t tar every ”old dear” with the same brush, will you?

388102 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Paul, 3, #791 of 1420 🔗

I went to optician last week. I was told to pull the mask down if I wanted so did.

388114 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Paul, 6, #792 of 1420 🔗

Please name and shame this branch, it’s totally unacceptable and if your friend has the fortitude she should sue. In any case a stern letter to head office would be easy to do.

388270 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Paul, #793 of 1420 🔗

That’s terrible. I had an eye test at SpecSavers in Ludlow in December and told them I couldn’t wear a mask and they were fine with it.

387998 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #794 of 1420 🔗

Johnson says we are having a Green and Sustainable recovery from Covid 19. So no Agenda right

388006 ▶▶ Mark, replying to DanClarke, 5, #795 of 1420 🔗

But remember, it’s a “conservative”, “hard right” government.

388008 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 1, #796 of 1420 🔗

I guess they’re flexible if it makes money

388007 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DanClarke, 4, #797 of 1420 🔗

Chinese domestic air traffic already exceeds pre-covid levels.

388011 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #798 of 1420 🔗

Have more people died in 2020 than any year since 1918?

History Debunked


388018 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #799 of 1420 🔗

I think they must have got confused and mixed up 1918 and 2008: an easy mistake.

388016 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #800 of 1420 🔗

Following the deaths of people, particularly older people, after being vaccinated against Covid 19, the World Health Organisation conducted a review and concluded that the deaths were coincidental. (1)

The WHO vaccine safety sub-committee met virtually (as this is the preferred method for the conduct of rigorous scientific analysis and sound decision making) on 19 January 2020 and reviewed the evidence. The committee concluded that the deaths were all in line with all cause mortality rates. (2)

On the basis of this conclusion, the committee recommended that the vaccines continue to be provided to older, vulnerable populations. (3)

  1. That’s a relief.
  2. Just like the coronavirus deaths, but don’t mention that.
  3. Another relief, especially to Pharma.


388081 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #801 of 1420 🔗

‘Covid deaths’ for 2020 overall are also in line with all cause mortality rates ergo there is no second wave.

388019 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #802 of 1420 🔗

Understandable video on how the mRNA (CRISPR) vaccine technology works:


388066 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #803 of 1420 🔗

Gary Linneker is involved???

388031 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #804 of 1420 🔗

I watched the Cambridge Union debate last night

Pro and anti lockdown sides both ‘convinced the data supports their assertions on the efficacy of lockdowns’

I hope Carl H and CEBM are doing their objective meta analysis and literature survey now

388039 ▶▶ matt, replying to steve_w, 5, #805 of 1420 🔗

Admittedly, I suffer from confirmation bias here, and admittedly my obsessiveness has led me to know a lot more about this than the average Joe, but it struck me that the opposition’s arguments were 1) weak and 2) flat wrong when they bothered to refer to evidence. And Moran in particular relied on the “lots of people are sadlidying” argument, which is irrelevant (or if it’s not, then I can’t see how it supports lockdown to say that lots of people are dying anyway). I did think Toby went on a bit though.

388045 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to matt, 4, #806 of 1420 🔗

yes, I am biased too – but throughout this, it seems to me that when people compare benefits to harms of lockdown they come to the conclusion that lockdowns are bad. they only come to the opposite conclusion by not enumerating lockdown harms

388047 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to matt, 7, #807 of 1420 🔗

I hate Moran so much ha. There are a lot of people who exhibit her brand of faux-morality where I grew up in North London, so I feel like I already know which cliche she’s going to draw for before she does.

This one was no different, within seconds she was saying “I am a liberal, but…”. Which for me is on a level with “I’m not racist, but…”.

388049 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #808 of 1420 🔗

very much agree

“I believe in the right to free speech but I also believe in the right to not have to hear what offends you – its a balance”

388089 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #809 of 1420 🔗

“I am a liberal, but…”. Which for me is on a level with “I’m not racist, but… ”.

I agree with you about Moran and her ilk.

“I’m not a racist, but” is actually a probably necessary thing for decent folk to say in the modern world, in response to the established demonisation of “racism” but is in popular culture generally dishonestly used as supposedly always being said by someone who is actually a “bad racist” (whatever that means at the particular moment).

So it’s usually something said by a decent person to avoid being smeared.

Whereas “I am a liberal, but” is kind of the opposite, being something usually said by an authoritarian (like Moran) to pretend to be something generally (in theory, at any rate) favoured.

Just saying, is all.

388108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, 1, #810 of 1420 🔗

Agree to a large extent. I say plenty of things to friends that could arguably be prefaced with “I’m not racist, but…”. For example when I refer to wage compression caused by rapid influx of lower skilled migrant workers, or when I tell my mates “yes black lives matter, but BLM is a steaming pile of #?@>”.

However I never say “I’m not racist, but…” because of the connotations this has. And because I don’t think it’s fair that people jump to the “probably racist” conclusion on these topics, so I don’t think I should have to moderate my language to account for their silly pre-conceptions. Also I have brown skin so that’s a great “get out of jail free” card ha.

I was referring to the sort of people who say “I’m not racist, but them coming in with their muslamic ray guns” types, rather than those with valid reasons.

388175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tee Ell, #811 of 1420 🔗

However I never say “I’m not racist, but…” because of the connotations this has. And because I don’t think it’s fair that people jump to the “probably racist” conclusion on these topics, so I don’t think I should have to moderate my language to account for their silly pre-conceptions . “

This was a situation intentionally manufactured by the antiracist ideologues, back in the late C20th, with the intention of preserving their ability to misuse the “racist” smear term effectively against people saying reasonable things such as you describe and trying to defend themselves preemptively.

“I don’t agree with mass immigration” – “Racist scum!”

Next time:

“I’m not racist, but I don’t agree with mass immigration” “You said “I’m not racist, but” like all racists do – racist scum!”

Also I have brown skin so that’s a great “get out of jail free” card ha.

An advantage, but not always conclusive. I believe the woke are perfectly happy to accuse people with brown skin of being “white supremacists”, or enablers of such, if they have the wrong opinions.

388194 ▶▶▶▶ daveh2, replying to Tee Ell, #812 of 1420 🔗

Same here. She’s my MP.

388138 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to matt, 3, #813 of 1420 🔗

For me Sir Graham was, by far and away, the best speaker

388042 steve_w, 8, #814 of 1420 🔗

just reading some vaccine adverse reactions someone linked to yesterday

on 21st Jan, a 45 year old was recorded of having died of covid “possibly got it at clinic, possibly who administered shot” but had no symptoms… mmm

388053 Bruce Reynolds, 63, #815 of 1420 🔗

Myself and the Bro’s just fucked a couple of covid Marshalls off,clown’s were having a word with some mother’s and kids playing on the park about distancing.. decided to have our own words about distancing, Mother’s and kids now playing happily and trying to keep warm..job done..

388054 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 3, #816 of 1420 🔗
388056 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to this is my username, 4, #817 of 1420 🔗


388072 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to this is my username, 12, #818 of 1420 🔗

Bizarre stuff, my wife and I were out in the local woods this morning, walking and working and noticed that the local farm was having a Pheasant shoot, seemed like quite a lot of people, shouting and shooting, usual stuff but interesting to know that is OK but buying milk is dangerous!

388082 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #819 of 1420 🔗

I don’t think it is, all of our local shoots are cancelled, because “restrictions”. Season closes 1st Feb so I guess they’re sneaking one in.

388121 ▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to leggy, 1, #820 of 1420 🔗

I heard the unmistakable sounds of shooting here this afternoon. It’s pouring with rain and has been all day, so guess there are some wet shooters and pheasants!

388103 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #821 of 1420 🔗

Can you buy pheasant milk?

388057 pvenkman, 3, #822 of 1420 🔗

If Gibraltar is continuing to follow the 3 weeks for second jab then tomorrow the 2nd jabs begin let’s hope their is not another spike in deaths.

388060 Jez Hewitt, 3, #823 of 1420 🔗

The population are in rehab and our dealers are our councillors.

Deeply unethical.

388087 ▶▶▶ Suey, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #826 of 1420 🔗

I think some of them must have mutated and escaped. They’re now running the country …

388084 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 24, #827 of 1420 🔗

RichardJames was among several commentators on my post yesterday about life in the High Peak. Thanks, all of you, the comments were great and some of them really funny.

Anyway, regarding ‘sadlidied’ (coined by Karenovirus) and mj’s suggested ‘nearlidied’ which we’ve now added to our personal LS vocabulary:

Richard touched on something I’ve been thinking about for a while, when he used the example of the early Christians and their use of secret symbols e.g. the fish (ichthys). I remembered the Polari argot – devised by gay people when it was illegal -as outrageously and hilariously satirised on ‘Round the Horne’ by Kenneth Williams and Hugh Paddick right under the noses of the BBC bosses who hadn’t a clue what they were doing (or possibly did but turned a blind eye.)

I have not the wit of some of the regulars here but I’m going to start compiling a list and will publish it for you to improve on when I’ve got enough to post.

More than ever, I feel we should not allow ourselves to be put on the back foot by dishonest brokers such as silly little woke, paid journalists trying to discredit us. Even less by ATL appeasers! The narrative is crumbling – not fast enough – but it is. Not enough people are seeing it all for what it is yet but they sure are fed up and we’ve got everything to play for.

Humour helps us to keep our energy levels up. It’s best not to get tired and distracted by trying to unpick rubbish unless absolutely necessary. We need to take the initiative as Sinead Murphy said in her excellent piece a couple of days ago. (This reminded me that it’s worth checking ATL if only for quality pieces like that. It really is outstanding):

‘We must keep thinking, and not bow to feeling. We must reclaim the present and not be put off until Easter. And we must remember that some things are always and absolutely off the table.’

To me, it’s all about finding every way to force ‘them’ to justify the catastrophe that they are inflicting on us when something like 0.25% of the population are not in danger of anything more than a slight cold, if that; the criminal enterprise that is now forcing experimental medication on whole populations for a treatable condition in order for the 1% to make billions; the controlled demolition of the economy in plain sight while the middle-classes’ silence is being bought by furloughs and the promise of freedom – sometime, never; the devastation of the lives of the poor, young and old and, ultimately, everyone else.

We are the people who are not standing by and letting it happen. We are in the right. This is good v evil – a concept that the moral relativists have been nearly successful in trashing. It ends when we say it does. Easier said than done but we can do it. Bon courage! MW

388086 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #828 of 1420 🔗

Good vs evil. Agreed. What’s ATL?

388088 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to HoMojo, 2, #829 of 1420 🔗

Above The Line
(we are BTL)

388093 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to CGL, 1, #830 of 1420 🔗


388101 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CGL, 6, #831 of 1420 🔗

Thank goodness we’re not BLM. Or BTM.
Carry on laughing, folks.
Hope MW hasn’t Peaked too soon.

388105 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Annie, 3, #832 of 1420 🔗

Ha-ha. 🙂 🙂 MW

388133 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to CGL, 5, #833 of 1420 🔗

I love this BTL community

388142 ▶▶▶▶▶ tazzy, replying to Silke David, 1, #834 of 1420 🔗

Me too!

388107 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #835 of 1420 🔗

Superb post, thank you. I find it increasingly difficult to get my head around the scale of the fraud being brought upon us all. I find it even harder to understand why the majority of people don’t even know it’s happening. It’s long beyond the time where the damage being done should be obvious. But that time never quite arrives. The longer this goes on, the harder it will become to undo any of this. The full on vaccine orgy is just too much to bear.

388143 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, 5, #836 of 1420 🔗

Talking to my compliant parents the other day, my mother commented that I spend too much time on c. I have nothing else to do, being unable to work, and anyway, we must stand up and fight it!
And I was surprised she said that as I was a very vocal, political active teenager.

388110 ▶▶ Suey, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #837 of 1420 🔗

Ah yes, the Bona Guest House, where use of the cruet is extra. How much extra? Depends what you use it for …

388127 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Suey, 4, #838 of 1420 🔗

” but did you manage to drag yourself up on deck ?” ” oh no we dressed quite casual ” MW

388131 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #839 of 1420 🔗

‘Bognor – there I’ve said it!’

388228 ▶▶ dommo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #840 of 1420 🔗

what better way for the maskless to greet each other than:-

“how bona to vada your dolly old eek!”

388092 petgor, replying to petgor, 20, #841 of 1420 🔗

It is accepted that the NHS is now predominantly deemed a single health service provider, i.e. to deal with Covid-19. This inevitably means that many in the population have been sentenced to at best, death or at worst, long term illness. If I am infected with the virus then no problem as the NHS will be there for me. But if any other problem occurs then God help me I will be on my own and at 76 that is a real worry. Our incredibly useless MPs seem to be quite happy with this state of affairs.

388104 ▶▶ Julian, replying to petgor, 6, #842 of 1420 🔗

If I am infected with the virus then no problem as the NHS will be there for me.”

Sadly I am not even sure this is particularly true. They don’t much in the way of treatment, do they?

388209 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, -1, #843 of 1420 🔗


388207 ▶▶ RickH, replying to petgor, #844 of 1420 🔗

But if any other problem occurs then God help me I will be on my own

Sorry, but No. Although what is happening is a corruption of the NHS, and certain activities are unacceptably curtailed, that is simply not true. In the past nine months, I have continued to receive excellent treatment, both on a routine and emergency basis.

Hysterical exaggeration on one side isn’t addressed by the same on the other.

388479 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to RickH, 1, #845 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps you were lucky. I am hearing many stories of those who have had to rely on the NHS in recent times with very mixed results. But let’s face it the government has done it’s best to persuade the public that the responsibilty for saving or protecting the NHS is ours. But it should be the other way round. We have been told to keep way. and like the good citizens that we are, we do.

388100 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bella Donna, #847 of 1420 🔗

Corrupted link

388122 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, #848 of 1420 🔗

That’s strange because I just tried clicking on it and it worked!

388150 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #849 of 1420 🔗

If it helps, I tried and got an error message with the error code “Missing key”.

388099 alw, replying to alw, 2, #850 of 1420 🔗

Not on topic but thought I would share. Our useless out of touch council Camden wants to introduce one of these so called Road area Safe and Healthy Streets schemes. Please see pic of question 15…..Special Characteristics. WTF do they have to do with the issue. Day started off badly hearing about BLM being nominated for a Nobel Prize, then son says I can’t go into his house unless I have vaccine…nothing would induce me and now this. I despair.

388109 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, 5, #851 of 1420 🔗

Good grief!

As for your son, he might benefit from a lesson in principle – say no, and stick to it. He will respect you for it, although it may cause some issues for a while. I’m sorry you’re having to go through that.

388118 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to this is my username, 6, #852 of 1420 🔗

Yes, for his sake and yours stick to your guns. MW and AG (veterans of fall-outs with kids. They have usually come round to our point of view in the end! )

388125 ▶▶ NickR, replying to alw, 6, #853 of 1420 🔗

Does your son think he’s protecting you or him?
My view, certainly prior to the vaccines getting approval was that wearing a mask if you were neither elderly or vulnerable was an inherently selfish act dressed up as a virtue. Every young person that didn’t catch the rona meant an elderly/vulnerable person was more likely to.
Most things are the opposite of what they’re intended to do. The justice department delivers injustice. The Social Security department ensures neither safety nor good social outcomes. The health service has delivered woeful health outcomes. The treasuary have overseen the impoverishment of so many. The list goes on.

388239 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to NickR, #854 of 1420 🔗


388134 ▶▶ Suey, replying to alw, 6, #855 of 1420 🔗

I think you’ve ticked the wrong box there: you might have ticked the next one down and then laid into people who are discriminating against those who cannot wear masks. Regarding the Nobel Peace Prize, that has long been worthless and corupted, so don’t concern yourself about it. As for your son, tell him he can’t come into your house if he HAS the vaccine (his symptoms may be suppressed so neither you, he nor anyone else will have a clue whether or not he’s carrying a germ). Two can play at his silly games.

388156 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Suey, 6, #856 of 1420 🔗

Thanks to all for support. I never give in. Have just received 6th text over period of 2 weeks inviting me for jab and also had a letter. Another letter or text and I will be writing to my GP accusing the NHS of harassment.

388163 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Suey, #857 of 1420 🔗

Go easy on ALWs son. He only is banned for 90 days as the virus jibberjabber works through his system.

388120 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #859 of 1420 🔗

The funniest part of her tweet is that she’s encouraging people to meet up with other people outside to engage in discussion. Pretty interesting advice coming from a lockdown zealot!

388132 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #860 of 1420 🔗

I could not help but notice her use of the word “we” when she said that the negative effects of lockdowns are being under-estimated. She, and her fellow travellers, have not only under-estimated the negative effects, they have mostly pretended they are don’t not exist or when forced to notice them have taken the view that they are unavoidable and necessary, a price worth paying.

388148 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #861 of 1420 🔗

Yep. She’s been a very active member of those in positions of power who have gaslighted anyone who has tried to raise these important concerns.

388184 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #862 of 1420 🔗

I find her bizarre in the extreme. One minute she’s screaming for zero covid no matter the cost, next she’s crying crocodile tears for all the kids being kept out of school on the advice of herself and others like her. What does she actually want? I suspect even she doesn’t know.

388197 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #863 of 1420 🔗

She is clearly mentally unstable. That’s the only charity I can allow.

388241 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #864 of 1420 🔗

Correct, Leftism (socialism) is a mental illness! 🙂

388115 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #865 of 1420 🔗

“Why Has Germany Advised Against Oxford/Astrazeneca Jab for Over-65s? The Guardian reported :
The issue boils down to a lack of data on efficacy of the vaccine in this age group. The standing committee on vaccination of the Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s disease control agency, said: “There is insufficient data to judge how effective the vaccination is above 65 years.”
Writing in their Lancet study released last year, researchers said there were not enough COVID cases among older adults at the time to explore just how well the vaccine protected them against the disease”

388178 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Bella Donna, #866 of 1420 🔗

Bloody Anti-vaxxers have infiltrated all levels of society.

388195 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #867 of 1420 🔗

r esearchers said there were not enough COVID cases among older adults at the time to explore just how well the vaccine protected them against the disease

… or any other group …. over a sufficent time period.

Well! Who’d have thought it?!

388116 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 31, #868 of 1420 🔗

This video was posted by someone else but I just watched it today. It’s an interview with Knut Wittkowski, who has been a lockdown sceptic from the beginning. The most interesting thing he said was that lockdowns merely delay infections — which we here all know — and that this delay gives the virus time to mutate. If the virus mutates enough it becomes like a brand new virus and there’s a risk that prior immunity will no longer be effective. He believes the “second wave” was created by lockdowns and that if we continue this insane lockdown policy we will simply create new and different variants and the cycle will repeat. So who benefits from this other than the “vaccine” manufacturers who are quickly working on “boosters” to tackle these new variants? My blood boils when I think that we could have treated people with HCQ and Ivermectin, kept our kids in school, kept the economy open, reached community immunity, and had no need for a “vaccine.” Pure evil at work.


388144 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 19, #869 of 1420 🔗

Well, maybe.

From what I am reading. I increasingly believe that personal contact plays a limited role in the spread of respiratory diseases.

One crucial thing that supports this view is that although over the last several centuries as national and global transport links have developed and become much speedier, there is no evidence that influenza outbreaks have spread more rapidly.

Am still getting into the literature.

Even if personal contact were the primary means of transmission, there is no reason to be believe that masking, SD, lockdowns etc. hinder the spread.

Lockdowns don’t work.

The University of Edinburgh Study, which was published in October, was clear that even if lockdowns etc did work to slow the spread of an epidemic through the population, that they would only do so at the cost of ultimately increasing mortality, as slowing the spread allows a disease to more efficiently find the most vulnerable people.

In summary, I think we can say that the official narrative fails at multiple levels of explanation.

388188 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 9, #870 of 1420 🔗

I think your last paragraph is key.

Ultimately, the horrendousness of this situation is the way in which mental dysfunction, fabrication and denial can be embedded in the brains of a lot a group. This could be a Derren Brown demonstration.

The gas chambers have become much more explicable.

Of course we could but that wouldn’t have achieved the economic crisis required for the reset

I’ll watch the video because I like Wittkowski but I’m not sure about that claim.

Mutations depend on the number of copies not on the elapsed time. So you should get the same number on your way to HI however much you drag it out.

The exception is if you treat an immunocompromised patient with antibodies for months and months. That’s not a bad way to create an antibody escape strain.

One of the reasons we’ve seen so few new Covid strains (yes really ignore the hype) is because it seemed to be so optimally adapted to humans right off the hop. That’s the benefit of intelligent design I guess (big shout out to Shi Zhengli).

388267 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to guy153, #873 of 1420 🔗

Perhaps hearing it straight from him rather than my paraphrase will clarify. I fully admit I may not have accurately interpreted what he said. It’s still worth a listen as he makes a ton of sense on many levels.

388119 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 62, #874 of 1420 🔗

Great day seeing so many crowds out and about!
Took kids for a long walk and to a playpark this morning, lots of people in groups chatting and laughing and no anti-social distancing. Friendly folk stopping to chat to myself and to kids as close as normal. Chatted to one nice elderly couple , the lady of which said ‘I’m sick of this lockdown shit, it needs to end now for the future generation’. Lol, high five sister.
Spoke to several random Mums at the park and my kids intermingled happily with other children.
Group of about 7 young lads from a rugby club out for a jog, chatting and laughing.
Group of 4 teenage girls out walking, linking arms and giggling together.
Only saw 3 masked eejits outdoors.
No coppers in sight at all.
Entire families out shopping this afternoon and traffic very busy.

Stay at home, eh Boris? Screw you!

388123 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #875 of 1420 🔗

Which area of the country are you? Rain and sleet in Oxford today, so not too many venturing out.

388129 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ozzie, 9, #876 of 1420 🔗

I’m in Northern Ireland. It was dry but there was a bitter cold wind.

388174 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #877 of 1420 🔗

Jolly chilly here in the South West with a howling gale. Deeply unpleasant.

388237 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Puddleglum, 7, #878 of 1420 🔗

Yes, I stayed at home in the warm this afternoon, and watched the sea gnashing its teeth. Felt nice and snug.
Out all morning though, so bugger Dungford and his foul minions.

388298 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Ganjan21, 21, #879 of 1420 🔗

I’ve had a lovely afternoon at a friend’s house, where we were joined by another friend. Coffee, cake, cookies, and a ‘covid’ hug on departure. Up yours, Boris. You bastard.

388126 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #880 of 1420 🔗

Here is a demonstration of the new COVID-19 testing methods in Chinese airports.

Have you printed your boarding pass yet?



388136 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, 1, #881 of 1420 🔗

Oh my God!

388269 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CGL, 5, #882 of 1420 🔗

Ok I’m going to say it. We’ve said all along PCR is a shit test.

388227 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 2, #883 of 1420 🔗

Who needs threats of forced self funded quarantine! Coming to UK soon, as we know western governments follow chinas lead now, LOL

They really do think we’re all just livestock don’t they.

388251 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 1, #884 of 1420 🔗

At Davos they talked about robots doing that next year. A guest zoom slot from a guy called Jez from the Netherlands, who is into injection moulded theromplastics and a guy from Isreal who specialises in intelligent wireless rams.

388128 Allen, replying to Allen, 33, #885 of 1420 🔗

Please stop calling these mRNA injections “vaccines”- that is misleading propaganda and perpetuates the lies from Pharma.

Calling this delivery mechanism a “vaccine” allows the pharmaceutical companies to sneak this thing through under public health exemptions.

This mRNA is packaged in a fat envelope delivered to a cell- it is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator

Vaccines are a legally defined term under public health law, they are a legally defined term under FDA and CDC regulations- a vaccine specifically has to stimulate an immunity within the person receiving it and also has to disrupt transmission, they have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA cell that is going into the cell is not to stop transmission it is a treatment. If it was discussed as a treatment then it would not get a sympathetic ear as public health officials would say ‘what other treatments are there.’

The use of the term ‘vaccine’ is unconscionable for both the legal term definition of it but also because it is the sucker punch before you even open up the discussion as it thwarts discourse as by saying “vaccine” you dump it into a thing where you are either anti or pro “this therapy.”

If we were to say we are going to give you chemotherapy for the cancer you don’t have you would be laughed out of the room. That’s exactly what this is.

This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

If we were honest about this we would call it what it actually is- it is a chemical pathogen device that is meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell- it is a medical device not a drug- it is not a living system- it is not a biological- it is a physical technology it just happens to come in the size of a molecular package.

We can’t talk about it as a vaccine- it is not- if we talk about it in these terms then we are going to get into a “vaccine” conversation.

It’s not a vaccine- it is a synthetic pathogen. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness.

– Dr. David Martin

This is not a vaccine. It is a treatment.

In the case of the mRNA drugs, which the manufacturers assert contain no ‘human virus’ components, the key difference is the lipid nanoparticle ‘delivery’ which is known to be capable of bypassing the blood brain barrier, along with whatever synthetic toxins it carries.

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use lipid nanoparticles to keep the RNA intact when injected.

A 2018 study titled Lipid Nanoparticles: A Novel Approach for Brain Targeting states: “lipid nanoparticles are taken up readily by the brain which makes them suited for brain targeting.”

388130 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Allen, 7, #886 of 1420 🔗

Thanks for this great post

388135 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Allen, 9, #887 of 1420 🔗

Excellent post. However, how can an experimental drug given for an illness you don’t have be a ‘treatment’? MW

388139 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Allen, -3, #888 of 1420 🔗

and also has to disrupt transmission,

Any evidence that it doesn’t?

388210 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tee Ell, -6, #889 of 1420 🔗

I doubt it.

388258 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tee Ell, 7, #891 of 1420 🔗

Yes, the manufacturers themselves have admitted there is no evidence their gene therapy disrupts transmission. The “trials” weren’t even designed to test this. While circumstantial, it’s nonetheless of interest that there have been outbreaks in LTC facilities right after “vaccinating” staff and residents. Many of these facilities had no Covid cases, so it’s something to pay attention to.

388535 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #892 of 1420 🔗

I agree the trials weren’t designed to test for this. But they were designed to test for reduction in severity of symptoms.

If you believe there’s a high chance of transmission without symptoms, you’re surely also saying asymptomatic spread is common? I don’t believe asymptomatic spread is common.

388286 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Tee Ell, 8, #893 of 1420 🔗

Two problems with your comment.

First off it is incumbent on those who are “medicating” the populace to not only have evidence that the medicine is efficacious but that it will not be hazardous to those who are being medicated. Both of those criteria are sorely lacking with these mRNA injections. In this case it is incumbent on those pushing these products to illustrate, through trials, that these injections will disrupt transmission.

Secondly, the question arises, “Have you even read the releases from the trials that were done?” Even putting aside how shoddy the trials were, how ridiculously (and criminally) unnecessary these treatments are, the companies themselves don’t advocate any long-term, meaningful reduction in transmission.

Admittedly it is hard to control transmission of an illusion.

BTW I’m guessing you are invested in these crimes or are blindly ignorant to what is actually happening but the reality is here in the US after four weeks more serious adverse event reports – including 2.5 times the deaths – have been filed for these ghoulish Covid injections than all other vaccines combined since last June.

388531 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Allen, -2, #894 of 1420 🔗

I didn’t say either of the things you are inferring. I’ve made both the arguments you have before on this site, so it’d be a bit strange if I’d implied that you should test on the normal population. Yes I’ve read the releases, and no I’m not guilty of crimes or blindly ignorant – that’s just plain rude.

Back to my question though… any evidence that it doesn’t?

388721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Tee Ell, #896 of 1420 🔗

You’re talking in circles.

You are a total idiot- the truth may appear rude- at times it needs to be just that.

In what f*cking universe is a medical trial suppose to prove a negative?

Is the Mad Hatter your go-to logician?

388751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Allen, #897 of 1420 🔗

If Tee Ell is an idiot, then so am I.

i struggle to believe in widespread asymptomatic transmission. If you’re shedding viral particles all over the
place, the virus must be replicating like crazy in your cells, no? And it would be odd to do that without symptoms?

So if you are vaccinated or “vaccinated” to produce antibodies to the antigen (whether to an inactivated virus or to an mRNA code introduced to your cells via a nanoparticle), and it leads to fewer symptoms on subsequent Viral infection then surely it’s because the antibodies you have produced are in some way helping to suppress viral replication? Which would limit shedding and therefore transmission?

or have I completely misunderstood how vaccines and viral replication and transmission work? If I am wrong, I’d like someone to explain it! I want to understand this properly.

388550 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #898 of 1420 🔗

Pfizer’s own (very scanty) report.

388151 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Allen, 7, #899 of 1420 🔗


your contributions are always top notch.

You comment far too little.

388206 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to rockoman, -12, #900 of 1420 🔗

In your opinion.

388216 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John P, 11, #901 of 1420 🔗

Whose opinion could it be, apart from that of the person who expresses the opinion?

388205 ▶▶ John P, replying to Allen, -9, #902 of 1420 🔗

They are not drugs.

388261 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to John P, 10, #903 of 1420 🔗

They are gene therapies that, in normal times, would have never been authorized for emergency use. It’s only because they’re been branded “vaccines” that different rules have been applied. Medications and therapies must undergo far more substantial clinical trials before ever being approved and the manufacturers are not given blanket immunity from lawsuits as they are with vaccines.

388140 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #904 of 1420 🔗

Very funny video…….

How to give a hospital news broadcast for any UK News show


388147 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 2, #905 of 1420 🔗

Funny – yes, but I hope everyone realizes that they are being trolled.

388155 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 4, #906 of 1420 🔗

There is still hope for our youths.

I tried to watch “the last leg” yesterday, but them trying to make fun whilst promoting the govt propaganda was just awful.

388280 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Silke David, 1, #907 of 1420 🔗

Chunts !!!

388141 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #908 of 1420 🔗


388177 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 18, #909 of 1420 🔗

This is so important; it’s the legacy of a previous generation who actually put their collective neck on the line for this legacy of protection.

On this there is no compromise : you are either with the civilized or you side with the Nazis.

388230 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 6, #910 of 1420 🔗

Soyons avec les victimes, refusons d’être avec les bourreaux. (Camus)

388287 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 6, #911 of 1420 🔗

The struggle of freedom against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting. (Milan Kundera.)

388213 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #912 of 1420 🔗

I know of at least one MP who knows this, because i’ve sent at least half a dozen emails informing him of his complicity in malfeasance, he doesn’t seem to care, I’ve told him i’d bare witness against him in future trials, it didn’t seem to worry him.

But he’s a communist SNP (ian blackford) MP. Mein fuhrer Nic Sturg-Un is actively campaigning on her human rights violations & deceitful lies, all people that vote against her or have unworthy opinions are transphobs & racists, her new hate (free speech) bill threatens all that disagree with her totalitarian communist state, come may she will rule her north korea.

388282 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, #913 of 1420 🔗

People with a physical visual impairment get it corrected before they get conditioned to a distorted view of the world.

388288 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #914 of 1420 🔗

Ok comrade.

388278 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #915 of 1420 🔗

If that is fact how have they ( the government filth rats ) got round it ???…

388145 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 39, #916 of 1420 🔗

I’ve had a bit of a breakdown. Started screaming over a minor problem in the kitchen, cut my hand punching a light fitting. My daughters were in hysterics crying. I can’t take this any longer.

388153 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #917 of 1420 🔗

Darn. Wish there was something useful I could say/do.

388154 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #918 of 1420 🔗

Jo, I’m so sorry to hear that. Are there any local LSs you could meet up with to have a good vent?

388158 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to this is my username, 17, #919 of 1420 🔗

I made my daughters cry. What the fuck sort of Father am I? I hate myself.

388185 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Starlin, 29, #920 of 1420 🔗

everyone makes their kids cry at some time, even in normal circumstances. I can not begin to imagine what these highly abnormal circumstances will do to even the best and most loving of parents. may the fucking evil bastards who did this to us rot in hell.

388211 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #921 of 1420 🔗


I think meeting up with a local sceptic is a great idea.

Best Wishes.

388214 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #922 of 1420 🔗

Turn your hate onto the government and their advisers and experts and sheep and collaborators.

388226 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #923 of 1420 🔗

They cried because they love you and they care. That makes you a good father.

388234 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #924 of 1420 🔗

You are a human being. Not a saint

388254 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #925 of 1420 🔗

Jo, we’ve all made our kids cry. None of us is/was a perfect parent and these conditions make it impossibly difficult…as if raising kids wasn’t already difficult. Apologize, explain to the extent you can based on their ages, and do what you’re doing — spend time with them doing something they enjoy. You’re their hero so don’t let them down by hating yourself or holding yourself up to an impossible standard. Virtual hugs from across the pond!

388268 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #926 of 1420 🔗

Jo – Nothing that can’t be put right and learned from. Don’t beat yourself up.

388157 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #927 of 1420 🔗

Is there anybody you can phone? If your girls are old enough just go outside and ring them or alternatively just scream.

388165 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to EllGee, 46, #928 of 1420 🔗

I’ll just have to manage. I’ve apologised and we’re going to watch a Muppet movie together. I love my girls more than my own life and their happiness is being destroyed to the cheers of people who call themselves moral and good.

388332 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #929 of 1420 🔗

Sounds good. Well done.

388161 ▶▶ Alyse Glass, replying to Jo Starlin, 41, #930 of 1420 🔗

I feel for you Jo. My son had a breakdown today – he sees his life been taken away from him – all the things he wanted to do – gone and no friends to interact with. He should be away from home now enjoying life – instead he is wondering when this will ever end. I had my breakdown about two weeks ago. You are not alone.

388171 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Alyse Glass, 23, #931 of 1420 🔗

I’m so sorry for your son. This might sound lame but send him my love and tell him a stranger is thinking of him.

388229 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #932 of 1420 🔗

We all are. And those if us who pray, are praying.

388262 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 6, #933 of 1420 🔗

That’s all my days and nights consist of atm.

388162 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #934 of 1420 🔗

Oh no I feel so sorry for you. Keep going. We need to stay strong.

388190 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #935 of 1420 🔗

Jo you’re human. Youve apologised and they will know you love them. You are doing the movie for them and will no doubt give them a nice memory.
A walk helps my husband when all this gets too much. Do you meet anyone that your daughters can play with on a park or something and you can off load to another adult? We’re in East Midlands if you’re anywhere near that? Me my husband and 3 children.

388204 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #936 of 1420 🔗

Try listening to relaxing music. You can get it on youtube. You might also try meditation. It does help, but you need to keep at it.

388223 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #937 of 1420 🔗

Poor you.
I feel pretty normal most of the time, but a tiny mishap (spilt my coffee this morning) can start me screaming. My marvellous OH remains calm and soothing and I get over it quickly, but there’s no denying the strain is always there.
Be strong. You can take it, because you are strong and you don’t give up.

388236 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 8, #938 of 1420 🔗

My immediate and extended family simply think that I am mentally-
ill- they have each other for confirmation of this idea. Life is not easy.
Did you like the quote from Big Tam which I left you yesterday? I thought it apt.

388250 ▶▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #939 of 1420 🔗

Oh…mine too. They live hundreds of miles away so I only need to deal with their pitying looks via video call…and that’s just the one’s I still communicate with :-/

388265 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #940 of 1420 🔗

Oh, Jo. Don’t beat yourself up over it. My girls’ dad has made them cry and so have I. We are not perfect. This situation is enough to drive anyone insane, or at least lose their shit once in a while. I am often manic 🙂 This moment of guilt will surely pass.

388146 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #941 of 1420 🔗

Both my parents have been jabbed. Obviously they didn’t tell me. Dad has a sore arm, mum has had a headache since the jab yesterday.

388149 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 5, #942 of 1420 🔗

Mr CGL works with someone who had the Oxford one mid-week. Still had sore arm on Friday, and had headache the first night, and sweats 2nd night

388152 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 3, #943 of 1420 🔗

Yep, I knew they would do that, next jab scheduled for the 23rd of April. Which seems like a while away to me.

388164 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #944 of 1420 🔗

Which one? Do you know?

388218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #945 of 1420 🔗

the AZ one. I am surprised they knew that.

388225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 3, #946 of 1420 🔗

My aunty got jabbed about two weeks ago and as far as I know she is still here.

388201 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 1, #947 of 1420 🔗

Well my parents are both fine. I will tell you if they have any serious reaction to it.

388221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John P, 2, #948 of 1420 🔗

Yer fingers crossed all round…Touch wood.

388263 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 3, #949 of 1420 🔗

Whether your parents are fine is an irrelevance to the issues. Most will be.

The other issue is whether it serves any purpose. Another unknown – but with no convincing positive evidence.

A third issue is whether there is any point, even given an affirmative answer.

388168 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Two-Six, 2, #950 of 1420 🔗

My Granny had the Oxford one a few weeks ago but has since been fine. My MIL got the Pfztier one today.

388173 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Two-Six, 6, #951 of 1420 🔗

My dad (82) has had both of his, mum had her first on thursday.
They didn’t tell me beforehand either, they knew it would all kick off. Dad’s had no problems. He’s in pretty good health but my gut feeling is he’ll soon go downhill rapidly and be dead by the summer.
Was looking through the back of the wardrobe earlier with the funeral in mind..none of my black shirts or black jeans fit me. More bloody expense. Buggered if I’m buying a suit.

388181 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Matt The Cat, 4, #952 of 1420 🔗

Gut feelings can be, and often are, wrong. I wouldn’t worry about it just now.

388196 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Matt The Cat, #953 of 1420 🔗

I wouldn’t worry about the suit just yet …whenever your dad’s time is up (period), funerals will probably be completely verboten . (half joking)

388203 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Matt The Cat, -6, #954 of 1420 🔗

Your gut feeling is not science.

388215 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 7, #955 of 1420 🔗

Pointless comment

388224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #956 of 1420 🔗

Agreed. I would dread to meet this identity in a public house.

388249 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 4, #957 of 1420 🔗

Nothing else about COVID is.

388276 ▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to John P, 2, #958 of 1420 🔗

We MUST follow it, of course.

388200 ▶▶ John P, replying to Two-Six, 3, #959 of 1420 🔗

I have a headache right now – I haven’t been jabbed.

My parents (both 78) had their jabs about ten days ago. Both fine.

My mother knows my views and probably kept it from me until they had had it done, but as I keep saying to her, I am not against others having it if they want it, I just don’t have any inclination to have it myself.

388284 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 4, #960 of 1420 🔗

Maybe its all the trolling?

388159 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #961 of 1420 🔗

Genuine question: Are medical practices paid £10.00 for every flu jab they carry out?
PS: Me and Mrs FP always have the flu jabs.

388166 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to this is my username, 4, #963 of 1420 🔗

£10.06. Eh.
Thanks for that.

388169 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #964 of 1420 🔗

For Covid Jabs:

  • A £12.58 IOS (item of service) fee will be provided per dose.
  • NHSEI has agreed to increase the supplementary funding available for care home vaccinations (residents and staff) to support the vaccination of all care home residents and staff by the end of:
  • – £30 for first doses administered Monday 14 December – Sunday 17 January
  • – £20 for first doses administered Monday 18 – Sunday 24 January
  • – £10 for first doses administered Monday 25 – Sunday 31 January
  • – £10 for all second doses administered
  • – NHSEI has released guidance for claiming these supplement payments
  • PCNs bringing in additional workforce until the end of January to ensure that all records for vaccination of priority cohorts are up to date and recorded properly in Pinnacle will be eligible to claim up to £950 per week (a maximum of £2500 per PCN grouping) of funding support. Vaccination must be recorded immediately in Pinnacle to ensure the record is updated and that PCNs are paid.


388437 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to this is my username, 2, #965 of 1420 🔗

Ah, those brave, selfless key workers in healthcare, who need to be incentivised to hurry up with the jabs.

Heroes all of them…

388176 JulieR, 15, #966 of 1420 🔗

My friend’s mother had a stroke on Thursday (over 80 and not the first stroke). She lives with my friend. So they called the ambulance, they came without PPE except masks. My friend was allowed to go to hospital with her mum. They arrived at one of the A&E rooms of the local hospital in South London in the afternoon for triage. Big room with only 4 beds was empty. My friend spent 3.5 hours there and only one more person arrived it that room. My friend said that staff didn’t have PPE, only masks, they were all relaxed. They did a quick Covid test for her mother. So my friend didn’t notice that the hospital was overwhelmed. But that hospital is supposed to be Covid free.

388219 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JayBee, 2, #968 of 1420 🔗

So America stood in the way of Vietnam’s ‘national liberation’?
Yeah, ask the Boat People.
Devil, deep blue sea…

388246 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, 1, #969 of 1420 🔗

I’m sure they were really grateful for being dosed with Agent Orange courtesy global capital and US colonialism.

388346 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #970 of 1420 🔗

WoW we’ve found something in common. Good job i’m already sitting down.

388182 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 5, #971 of 1420 🔗


This is an article in German about a 1962 play which foreshadowed the current descent into fascism by the liberal Centre and left.
“Amongst murderers and the insane, noone/too few will recognize that they are murderers and insane and that one is amongst them…. “

388259 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, -2, #972 of 1420 🔗

Actually, the lead in the descent has been the illiberal nationalist right. Fact.

Just saying. We have enough wild fantasy around

388307 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #973 of 1420 🔗

Actually, the lead in the descent has been the illiberal nationalist right. Fact.

Did you manage to get an explanation from Jeremy Corbyn as to why he was so much less perceptive than you about the machinations of the evil nationalist right, yet?

388326 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #974 of 1420 🔗

‘Whataboutery’ – The Mark of a lost argument.

(Hint : Who mentioned Corbyn?)

I – as said – was just dealing in plain fact.

388344 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #975 of 1420 🔗

Dear comrade, you didn’t need to mention Corbyn, i think despite your hesitancy to come out, we know where your political prejudice lies.

388369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #976 of 1420 🔗

As I pointed out the other day, nothing necessarily wrong with “whataboutery”, and in my experience the criticism of it mostly has come from Blairites objecting to their own shameless lies and hypocrisy being pointed out.

“We obey the international rule of law, unlike [insert designated confrontation target here]”

“What about Iraq?”

(Hint : Who mentioned Corbyn?)
I – as said – was just dealing in plain fact.”

You made a speculative assertion about the supposed “lead” behind the coronapanic, that suits your personal partisan political bias. I merely drew attention to one of the numerous excellent reasons to recognise it as nonsense.

388434 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 1, #977 of 1420 🔗

The CCP is hardly the illiberal national right.
Illiberal and nationalist, but not right.

But who cares? Right, left, it’s all just labels to make the manipulation of the population easier.

388183 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #978 of 1420 🔗

Picked up a bit of news today and was surprised to see a number of scary someone young and fit has died stories, as if the propaganda machine needed to keep up the hysteria for some reason. Then today the latest NHS/Gov dashboard update comes out and the total number of ‘covid’ patients in NHS England hospitals has dropped from a peak of 34,336 on 18th Jan down to 29,359 yesterday, a fall of 14.5% in 11 days. So the pressure is of the NHS, no longer a need to do all this nonsense to protect the NHS. it looks like the NHS is now doing OK.
And so that must be why they needed to wheel out the scary death stories to keep the pressure on and keep the hysteria up. Gruppenfuhrer Hancock has gone vaccine mad, sent out about 13 vaccine related tweets yesterday! he must eat, sleep and breathe vaccine, very weird. Presumably the plan is to keep everybody scared stiff until they have all been jabbed. It’s a funny old world
Illegitimi non carborundum”

388202 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #979 of 1420 🔗

Wait for the headlines about non-overwhelmed hospitals

It’s like the media not reporting on all the battles won by the allies in the last months of the war

388220 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #980 of 1420 🔗

I think you’ve provided some good logic as to why there has been no let up on the fear mongering. To get people to accept the vaccination.

I shall be getting my jab tomorrow whether or no there is a risk, I see it as doing “my bit”. Just as I see not wearing a mask as doing “my bit” – a demonstration it is better to face up to it than live in excessive fear.

It is a difficult one, but I think, we’ve got to the government grounds for saying they’ve defeated the beast – or they’ll never release us.

I await the counter-blasts.

388232 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 25, #981 of 1420 🔗

Far be it from me to give health advice to strangers over the internet, and doubtless you’re smart enough to ignore any such advice

But in what way is it “doing your bit”? By all means if you’ve looked into it as much as possible and concluded the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks then take it, but please please don’t do it for others as (1) there is no evidence I am aware of that it does benefit others and even if it did IMO it’s not a good reason to undergo a medical treatment and (2) the rushed vaccine is part of the coronapanic narrative and by taking it to make the govt happy just gives further support to a mad narrative that will not go away unless and until it is exposed for being just that – mad.

Allowing the govt to declare victory without anyone facing up to the lunacy of what has been done isn’t helping others

388289 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, 3, #982 of 1420 🔗

Thanks for your considered reply. If nowt else it’s going to be a bit of a run out for me – my chum is taking me in his car.

388430 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #983 of 1420 🔗

The government is like the sadistic bad guy in Dirty Harry, when he kidnaps a girl and asks for a ransom not to kill her, then has Callaghan running all over San Francisco to deliver the ransom, at the end of which he informs Callaghan that he’s going to kill him, the girl and keep the ransom.

Good luck with the vaccine.

388242 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #984 of 1420 🔗

Not sure I follow the logic.

My interpretation is that following the vaccine route reinforces the government’s synthetic fear narrative.

But good luck – whatever

388244 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ned of the Hills, 25, #985 of 1420 🔗

I think doing my bit is NOT having the jab. I just hope enough people don’t do it.The way we have been scammed into it is a disgrace. Everything about it a scam. Accepting it is building a medical prison for everybody on the planet.

388266 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ned of the Hills, 15, #986 of 1420 🔗

The Gov could have defeated the beast back in the Spring with HCQ/Zinc/AZT/CPAP and in summer with Ivermectin and scrapping the flawed PCR tests (or at least reducing the Ct to 25 to 30) to keep up NHS staffing levels. But they (or their SAGE controller) wanted experimental, unlicensed, inadequately tested medicines purporting to be vaccines instead. Much more control for much longer and better share income that way I guess.

388292 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #987 of 1420 🔗

I have to agree with others below, I cannot for the life of me understand how having this experimental vaccine is “doing my bit”. It is a matter of personal choice and you are free to do what you want, but you are not helping anyone at all. Not one bit. As you know this vaccine only reduces symptoms in “some” people that is all. Whilst some may say well if I have less severe symptoms, then I will pass on something less severe- there is no proof of this at all. Not one little bit.The trials still have many years left to go. And frankly it all depends on the susceptibility and strength of immunity of the person you may come into contact with as to what they may or may not catch from you. Anyway I won’t say any more as others have already said it.

388301 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #988 of 1420 🔗

Your choice, obviously (after all, being denied the right to make our own choices is pretty much why we are all here).

Myself, I agree with those here saying that by taking the vaccine you are reinforcing the government narrative, and helping to make it pretty much certain that the first response next time there is a whiff of a new disease (or variant of an existing one) will be to lock us all down to “save us until the vaccine comes along”, again).

The only way it won’t work that way is if the vaccine either very obviously fails, or turns out to have unacceptable consequences itself.

But this isn’t a matter of principle like lockdown. It’s absolutely something reasonable people can be on either side on.

388275 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #989 of 1420 🔗

Young and fit or young and fat?

388294 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #990 of 1420 🔗

He is a shithouse !!

388462 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #991 of 1420 🔗

So far the “young and fit” have transpired to be obese and in their 30-40s in addition to being assessed as young and fit by a grieving family member. Not by any doctor. It would be funny if it wasn’t such a shocking reflection on the BBC art al.

388189 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 6, #992 of 1420 🔗

Meanwhile on Amazon Prime!
(yes that’s actually available to watch, predictive programming?)

388521 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Scouse Sceptic, #993 of 1420 🔗

Notice it only gets 3 stars.

388191 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #994 of 1420 🔗

Grandstream Prof Dolores Cahill 27-01-21 (Grand Torino, is a bit of a conspiracy theorist) poor picture & sound quality.

I do truly admire the balls of this woman to stand up against the worlds most powerful governments & appreciate her efforts to free us.

I do struggle to find any belief in her success in challenging the CV19 fraud, I think mainly due to her naive confidence in both the judiciary & that she can beat the establishment with the truth.

Another thing that concerns me along with Bernician, she has a belief in a long extinct common law-natural justice is still extant & that personal sovereignty of the freeman exists in any real form. Again I empathise with the concept of being an autonomous free spirit, when in reality the system doesn’t recognize it, slaves don’t get to choose freedom, as is being demonstrated.

I woke up to my enslavement into a corrupt system decades ago I don’t know what it takes for some to see the cold hard truth. My problem it seems is cowardice, i value my freedom so much i dare not brake the establishments rules because I don’t want to be kidnapped & incarcerated, that’s my hypocrisy i suppose.

388208 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #995 of 1420 🔗

No hypocrisy – or if there us, we are all guilty of it. Unless there’s an organised resistance movement, open defiance of totalitarian state power is suicidal.
Just hang on in there and be free in your own mind. And do the little things.

388349 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 6, #996 of 1420 🔗

That is defeatist thinking, and it plays directly into the hands of the oppressors, as it means no one can resist until the many simultaneously and spontaneously resist, which is of course impossible. All it takes is small acts of non-compliance; each is a victory, and each victory makes us stronger and encourages others to join.

Ignore the rules.

388519 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #997 of 1420 🔗

Groups are forming. The small acts of non-compliance are becoming more co-ordinated. Keep the faith!

388427 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #998 of 1420 🔗

It’s interesting how scary the state has made itself seem to people to the point that we can believe that breaking some seemingly petty rules will end up in incarceration.

I don’t think you end up locked up quite so easily, but the fear is understandable, The government has done an amazing job of terrorising the population.

388496 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stewart, 1, #999 of 1420 🔗

LOL you have no idea to the extent i’m willing to go to, to show my discontent, i’m certain i’d go to prison if my fantasies ever became realities ; – )

388538 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PastImperfect, #1001 of 1420 🔗

Sorry not recognised by neo-liberal globalists, rules based order.

388193 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1002 of 1420 🔗

This evening’s recommended listening for anyone who enjoys 1970’s guitar bands – get them air guitars revved up:

Blue Oyster Cult – from the album Tyranny and Mutation

“Hot rails to hell” – link to fantastic live version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK1-gI8zO3U

388255 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1003 of 1420 🔗


388281 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1004 of 1420 🔗

Maybe this should become a thing. Evening viewing/listening recommendations on anything NOT covid/Great Reset related.

388199 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 19, #1005 of 1420 🔗

One Lab Rat to another: “Are you getting vaccinated?”

Second Rat replies: “Are you crazy, They haven’t finished the Human trials yet”!

388231 ▶▶ John P, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, -18, #1006 of 1420 🔗

It’s a good one. I saw that a few weeks ago.

Since my parents had the vaccine about ten days ago I have become quite defensive about the issue.

I really resent the evidence free assertions that these vaccines are dangerous. I agree that there has been undue haste in putting them out there, but I haven’t seen anything to convince me that there are any real dangers associated with them.

The smallpox vaccine was not given to immunocompromised people because their weakened immune systems would not have been able to handle the vaccine. And there would have been no point anyway as the whole point of vaccines is to stimulate the immune system.

My parents are both fine since they had their jabs and have had no reaction, not even so much as a sniffle.

I had the flu jab once in about 2005 and I had a normal reaction to it – feeling a bit fluey for a day or two. That’s what was supposed to happen. It proved it was working.

So as I say, I find myself feeling quite irritated by those who want to say that people who have the jabs are in danger. I very much resent it. Provide conclusive proof.

And I still have no inclination to have the covid jab myself!

388243 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 50, #1007 of 1420 🔗

Basingstoke, my dear.
None of us wants to stop you or anybody else having the jab. We believe in letting people make up their own minds.
We also believe in voicing the concerns we have.

388247 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to John P, 26, #1008 of 1420 🔗

The trouble is that in the same way, there is no evidence to suggest the the “gene therapy” to give it it’s correct title, is safe either. Given the drastic rise in deaths in care homes that have occured recently, where many of the residents would have received at least one dose and other reports of some severe reactions, you would think that the government would investigate, if only to reassure the general public. Instead, they have completely ignored the issue, leaving people like myself wondering just what they are trying to hide.

388253 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 28, #1009 of 1420 🔗

I really resent the evidence free assertions that these vaccines are dangerous”

You’ve really got this one arse-about-tit.

The issue isn’t the assertion that these vaccines are dangerous.

It is that normal, sensible testing has not taken place in order to establish that there is an acceptable level of risk.

In addition, the circumstances around the release of the vaccines raise important ancillary issues around the curtailment of proper science (political/financial interests, indemnity etc.)

388271 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 22, #1010 of 1420 🔗

“Informed consent”

The tenets of international laws, rules & treaties.

How can you be informed if they with hold information? How many independent studies & research on efficacy & safety have been done.

zero research = zero information = zero consent.

388428 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1013 of 1420 🔗
388458 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1014 of 1420 🔗

So here we have a set of data, 2 of which suggest that it might be unwise to give the flu vaccine to the elderly, and one which summarises why until now human trials have never been undertaken with a classical COVID vaccine.

Nothing has been done to deprive the vaccine manufacturers of their income stream this year. Despite the fact that there appears to be a correlation between flu and increased COVID susceptibility. And to establish an absence of causation, one must prove it is merely correlation. Which does not appear to have happened.

The thing is, nowhere in any of the online covid-19 vaccine documentation that I’ve seen yet has reference been made to the pulmonary immunopathy, and it therefore appears not to have been considered a risk, but why?

Why during an outbreak of SARS are we vaccinating for flu?

Why are the rules surrounding mRNA being changed constantly and without Scientific agreement, and why are people dying of, or getting sick with SARS-Cov-2 after having the first vaccine? (Well actually that’s because it doesn’t stop you getting SARS, or transmitting it onwards. It had a 95% chance, when given 21 days apart, during trials of returning a positive PCR test to someone with minimal symptoms).

The reason that people aren’t giving you all the info on here is that they’re looking it up and sharing it daily, so they already hold this info in their heads. They already have a deep scepticism of anything being proposed as a route out of an already unnecessary lockdown. They don’t need empirical evidence to declare the mRNA not safe. (Though there is loads out there to be seen). It’s want of slow and steady safety trials is enough.

So here’s a possible outcome.. nothing for your parents now. Second dose – nothing. Because they’ve already had covid-19 exposure. But if too “fresh” a mutation arrives, maybe pulmonary immunopathy. Maybe a “sudden death”. Maybe a sudden stroke. Maybe it interacts with some new medication. Maybe a “rare” cancer, for which there’s a new genetic marker amongst those mysteriously all vaccinated against covid in 2021. Maybe skin lesions.

And the reason it’s a maybe is that no one knows. The reason they don’t know is that no one tested it properly, as it was rushed to market. And the last time someone tried something akin to the AZ Novovax type, it was so shockingly lethal when trialled with real-life exposure to Coronaviruses that no one wanted any part of it.

388478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1015 of 1420 🔗

Despite the fact that there appears to be a correlation between flu and increased COVID susceptibility.

Do you mean the flu vaccine here or actual flu?

388217 janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 9, #1016 of 1420 🔗

Dear Andrew K, I just replied to your comment about your wife attending the Davos event. I would be really grateful if you could give some info as I am interested to know what they are planning? The more we know, the more we can make sensible life decisions about how to go forward!

388222 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to janeinthemindfield, 6, #1017 of 1420 🔗

So would I.

388235 ▶▶ John P, replying to janeinthemindfield, -30, #1018 of 1420 🔗

I thought you lot already knew what Klaus Schwab has planned for you.

You never stop going on about it.

388248 ▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to John P, 29, #1019 of 1420 🔗

Bugger off mate

Anyone who has a different opinion to you, You slag off. call names etc

Whenever you get called on on it, You cry about “bullying ” and leaving for ever

Your need for validation is nauseating and bordering on a mental illness.

Seriously get help or grow up a bit, whatever works for you

388285 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to OldBaldGamer, 9, #1020 of 1420 🔗

Hear hear.

388240 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 12, #1021 of 1420 🔗

Article on and text by a very reknowned German mathematician, head of the Royal Society equivalent Leopoldina’s mathematics division.
He said in May that we should let under 40 year old’s catch the virus, as otherwise, we will see increased total and elderlies deaths later on.
He foresees similar developments henceforth and resigned fromLeopoldina in protest of its unscientific lockdown support.
The publication of his reasoning and highly mathematical studies has since then been boycotted.

388274 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 5, #1022 of 1420 🔗

Yes, this was the conclusion of the University of Edinbirgh study in October too:

388272 bebophaircut, 8, #1024 of 1420 🔗

AI Bots and Trolls. Use them to defeat Schwab and co. Give them a lethal dose of their own medicine.

388273 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 59, #1025 of 1420 🔗

From someone censored 12 hours for a tweet claiming the UK variant was nothing special but a usual mutant of an evolving virus. As he is a rare investigating journalist this eloquent response.


“The model-based “science” camp has taken advantage of this first mover’s ability to dominate the information space and sow maximum panic and hysteria, while also jamming through their collectivist draconian policy demands. The academics, bureaucrats, and social media titans are wholly committed to this fraudulent “scientific” method without bothering to follow up on the evidence side. These faulty hypotheses have the benefit of allowing them to be front and center – a never-ending cycle of clicks, views, panic, and zero dissent.”

“You can trace virtually every wrong prediction, every proposed non pharmaceutical intervention, every catastrophic decision, to a model. This is not science, it’s garbage conjecture masquerading as science. It just so happens to have been embraced by the masses, largely due to these forces promoting the junk science, but majoritarianism isn’t science, either.”

“The “new variant” fiasco is the latest model-based unscientific fad among hysterical politicians, “public health experts,” and the social justice warriors who hall monitor dissenting voices on Twitter. I was not allowed to call out the obvious leveraging of natural mutations of a virus to sow panic within the cattle community.”

 “An “unexpected” (though very expected, if you understand the natural progression of a virus) and “new variant” is also a great way to excuse the massive failures of the past year’s model-based non pharmaceutical interventions, which were based on junk science, which the “experts” claimed would work to stop the virus cold in its tracks. Additionally, these entities simultaneously leveraged the situation to demand more of their failed lockdowns, mask mandates, curfews, and the like. We have nothing positive to show for Team Lockdown’s policy interventions, which quickly became some of the greatest crimes against humanity in human history. Millions are now sicker, poorer, and no longer on this earth, due to their horrific, inhumane policy demands. Twitter, Facebook, Google, and the like would simply prefer that you never know about the alternatives to this madness.

388279 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1026 of 1420 🔗

Superb post


388305 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to swedenborg, 15, #1027 of 1420 🔗

Brilliant …. why don’t people know that the flu vaccine has to be tweaked every year in anticipation of a new strain?

388417 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Marialta, 9, #1028 of 1420 🔗

People know. Deep down they know.

But when you’ve invested so much in a lie, when you’ve been forced into irrational behaviour for so long, it’s just too painful to admit you were wrong and it was not only in vain but terribly harmful. The psychological weight of that truth is hard to bear.

So instead of accepting truth people become ever more defensive of the indefensible and that can only take the form of anger and intolerance.

Deep down, people know.

388277 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 13, #1029 of 1420 🔗

I may be late to this but I assume everyone saw Angela Rayners ludicrous claim that teachers are more at risk than everyone else is going to eviscerated thanks to her relying on her ‘pet’ scientists, spurious analysis, and dangerous life threatening comments.

Perhaps Mr O’Brien would like to correct her on everything she got wrong…..which is everything basicallly!

388333 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 16, #1030 of 1420 🔗

I think you may have misunderstood how this works. It is not a matter of being accurate or inaccurate. It is a matter of who. For example, the World Health Organisation stated that the fatality rate of the virus was 3.4%. No one accused them of dangerous misinformation or censored them. On the contrary. However lots of people have been accused of misinformation and censored for saying things like the fatality rate is roughly 0.2% which is accurate.

388368 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1031 of 1420 🔗

As the cliché says, it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Or in this case it’s WHO, you know.

388416 ▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to Edward, 3, #1032 of 1420 🔗

Ha ha – most of my points were by and large rhetorical but I agree totally……it just highlights the idiocy of the ‘reporting’ on this. If it was the other side of the argument the massed ranks of commentators would be queuing up to have a go.

anyone who puts ‘that’s a fact’ at the end of their argument is normally an illiterate, innumerate, Illinformed fuckwit.

though she did highlight one fact…..that she is an illinformed innumerate fuckwit.

388283 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1033 of 1420 🔗

Stop the Press! Ireland’s lockdown advocate general – Luke O’Neill of Trinity College Dublin (he of the Zoom call to school students where he proposed masks for ever and vaccine wristbands to prove you were ‘clean’) reckons Ireland will be able to reopen pubs in May.


388293 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1034 of 1420 🔗

He must have a thirst on!

388310 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 15, #1035 of 1420 🔗

If pub owners have any sense, they will ban him (and countless other Establishment figures) from ever darkening their doors.

388402 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1036 of 1420 🔗

devil’s in the detail. No indoor drinking.

388290 isobar, 10, #1037 of 1420 🔗

Latest from Canada, I would argue that the parallels with the UK are pretty obvious.

John Robson: A year of COVID cluelessness from our esteemed health ‘experts’From the futility of lockdowns, to the uselessness of masks, to the magical thinking behind vaccination, author John Robson points out the “dangerously smug idiocy” and “complacent cluelessness” of our “esteemed health ‘experts.'”


388291 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1038 of 1420 🔗

I just thought of the Red Dwarf episode where Kochanski, Dave, Cat and Kryten inadvertently ingested psychotropic drugs, then were locked in a room that was creating a virtual reality of their different escape attempts. Perhaps the present government in the U.S.A. is going through the same process? According to Dr Charlie Ward this could be true. They think that they are in control, but they’re not.

388347 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1039 of 1420 🔗

Charlie Ward the absurd fantasist who confidently stated that Trump would get a second term?

388364 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1040 of 1420 🔗

Arguably, he did!

388390 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to iane, #1041 of 1420 🔗

‘Arguably’ he didn’t get a first term – based on the popular vote.

388397 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to RickH, 4, #1042 of 1420 🔗

The popular vote isn’t how it’s decided.

388533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1043 of 1420 🔗

There were 2 options, nobody voted for either, they voted against what they didn’t want. That turned out well too.

388295 John P, replying to John P, 12, #1044 of 1420 🔗

This is great. Scottish shop owner stands up to intimidation by covid police:


388489 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to John P, 2, #1045 of 1420 🔗

Wasn’t she fantastic?

388299 ▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1047 of 1420 🔗

I don’t need a reason not to trust him. He’s clearly incompetent and out of his depth.

388341 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to John P, 1, #1048 of 1420 🔗

Flattery will get you nowhere!

388564 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Anti_socialist, #1049 of 1420 🔗

Might I point out that he has more than replaced himself in the reproduction stakes.

388622 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #1050 of 1420 🔗

Yeah, he’s created four crotch goblins to date, if memory serves.

388718 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1051 of 1420 🔗

Haha, Crotch Goblins, that’s one I’ve not heard before. I thought it was 6 but not entirely sure.

388720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1052 of 1420 🔗

I believe he’s spawned 6. What a fucking hypocrite.

388724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1053 of 1420 🔗

Six?! What’s he been doing, loitering outside of RNIB HQ with a pocket full of dog chews and a stolen van?

388741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, #1054 of 1420 🔗

at least six. I believe there is another unacknowledged one

388297 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, -6, #1055 of 1420 🔗

We can live with the Lockdown, but we can’t live without Zoom. Discuss.

388300 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PatrickF, 15, #1056 of 1420 🔗

Without the Internet lockdown would not be possible.

388303 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to rockoman, -10, #1057 of 1420 🔗

I think it would. Without the day night would not be possible.

388308 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 7, #1058 of 1420 🔗

How would people like me (an accountant) WFH since March do so without the internet? Western economies have been decimated by this asinine decision – there would be no economy left anywhere if all the “knowledge” workers did not have an internet to carry their work out over.

388322 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1059 of 1420 🔗

It’s not the technology. It’s the use and ownership.

388328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to RickH, 4, #1060 of 1420 🔗

That doesn’t answer my question – how would I do my job from home absent the internet?

388340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1061 of 1420 🔗

It does answer your question.

388319 ▶▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to John P, 1, #1062 of 1420 🔗

The day night cycle is a function of the physical Universe.

It has happened for quite literally billions of years. It Is (without a large time period, unchangeable)

Your Analogy is invalid

388330 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 1, #1063 of 1420 🔗

In some parts of the northern hemisphere there’s 24hrs of DAY light!

388374 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to John P, 7, #1064 of 1420 🔗

Without the internet and the specious ability it affords to connect with people despite lockdown through social media and video calls, lockdown would have been tolerated for a month at most. The internet and social media have allowed people to fool themselves into submission.

388302 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1065 of 1420 🔗

I don’t have Zoom, never had zoom

388304 ▶▶ John P, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1066 of 1420 🔗

Well I can, since I’ve never made a Zoom call.

388312 ▶▶ davews, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1067 of 1420 🔗

Zoom certainly seems to be an excuse for churches not to have proper services. When they do get back Zoom will become an integral part to allow those who cannot get to the church to take part.
I am not wedded to Zoom. I do join a few but keep it very limited, it has huge drawbacks.
(and of course many here could not manage without the LS site…)

388313 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PatrickF, 8, #1068 of 1420 🔗

Zoom (and its buddies) is just a colourless version of the real world. My mother uses it for her classes and church but it is very much just a placeholder for her while she waits endlessly for the actual physical face to face meetings to be possible again (which they almost were in the autumn in the case of the former and were until Lockdown 3 in the case of the latter. Most people not running on transmission fluid and electronics feel that way. SAGE and its Covidian vassals love it – it’s so clean !

388317 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1069 of 1420 🔗

It’s another example of the drive from big global capitalism/finance to generate profit and wealth transfer behind the fakedemic.

388470 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1070 of 1420 🔗

Technocrats seem to be the new gnostics – favouring disembodied existence.

388323 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to PatrickF, 9, #1071 of 1420 🔗

Taking the ‘can live’ statement at face value, I am not aware of any suicides relating to a lack Zoom connectivity or availability. Conversely, there are a number of reports of suicides due to the restrictions imposed by lockdown. Therefore the number of people unable to live with lockdown is potentially far greater than the number of people unable to live without Zoom.

388363 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1072 of 1420 🔗

I’m living happily without Zoom.

388325 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PatrickF, 4, #1073 of 1420 🔗

What’s zoom?

388338 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1074 of 1420 🔗

It’s a special Chinese software program that converts all your friends and acquaintances from 3D to 2D and traps all their shed virions behind your monitor “glass”.

388392 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1075 of 1420 🔗

A song by Fat Larry’s Band.

388515 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1076 of 1420 🔗

Yes great song!

388551 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1077 of 1420 🔗

A three-colour lolly ice in the shape of a spaceship.

388389 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1078 of 1420 🔗

I’ve lived with lockdown, I’ve lived without it.

I’ve lived without zoom, I’ve lived with it.

Think that covers all the bases.

388306 isobar, replying to isobar, 26, #1079 of 1420 🔗

Just heard that a local gym near me that is doing online training has been raided 4 times by 6 police on each occasion only to find the gym owner in front of a camera. Quite bizarre.

388311 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to isobar, 14, #1080 of 1420 🔗

They’ve obviously eradicated all serious crime if they have that much spare time and manpower.

388336 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1081 of 1420 🔗

I wish that were true, there are a lot of cats not meowing in the exhaust systems of cars round were I live. Must be a catademic, but at least the scrap metal merchants are rubbing their hands with glee.

388370 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #1082 of 1420 🔗

So not only has covid eradicated all other respiratory diseases known to man, it’s also solved all crime! Amazing. I feel truly blessed to be alive at such a time.

388385 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1083 of 1420 🔗

All crime apart from the billions stolen from the British people by the thieving government

388471 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1084 of 1420 🔗

All praise the Jesusgerm!

388314 ▶▶ Mark, replying to isobar, 15, #1085 of 1420 🔗

Excellent stuff. Got to be the way forward.

After all, they’re lying, we know they’re lying, they know that we know they’re lying. And still they lie. So the appropriate response is to lie to their faces, in return.

There can be no duty to tell the truth to representatives of a state based upon lies.

388324 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to isobar, 16, #1086 of 1420 🔗

The brave police always hunt in packs looking for the weakest prey they can find.

388400 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to isobar, 2, #1087 of 1420 🔗

Sounds like Great Reopening – they’ve been advising people to turn gyms into things like ‘instructional fitness video production studios’ etc.

388309 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 2, #1088 of 1420 🔗

Anyone got reports from the Great Opening today ? I went into town to see but didn’t appear to be any more shops open here in Eastbourne.

388335 ▶▶ kate, replying to Marialta, 5, #1089 of 1420 🔗

I checked in Brighton (was hoping to get a hair trim from a brave salon owner) but no businesses seemed to have opened

388395 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kate, 4, #1090 of 1420 🔗

Are you in the Great Reopening group in your area on Telegram? They issued a list of all the businesses opening across the UK (although apparently some more opened, but did not want to be listed, for obvious reasons).

388466 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to kate, 2, #1091 of 1420 🔗

Brighton is not exactly sceptic central, as far as I know.

388391 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Marialta, 15, #1092 of 1420 🔗

In my part of East Anglia (don’t want to say where exactly) there were a handful of businesses open, one of which I visited. A few people got together and met from the Telegram sites. I think most of us didn’t expect it to be anything big (and the weather certainly didn’t help), it’s more about the start of a movement. I think most realise there isn’t going to be a sudden awakening, it’s more about building a parallel community.

388315 John P, replying to John P, -13, #1093 of 1420 🔗

Without the internet the lockdown sceptics website would not exist.

388320 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 14, #1094 of 1420 🔗


388337 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1095 of 1420 🔗

But marked by another brain-dead down-vote. Somebody has a brain problem.

388358 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1096 of 1420 🔗

As I have noted previously here, other forums I’ve been involved with have had up- and down-votes publicly identified and listed, not anonymous. I think those systems are better – more accountable. I’d say the same should be true of uses of the red flag. Why should these kinds of things be anonymous? After all, for most people here (anyone who wants it, basically) the identities we post under are anonymous anyway.

388378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #1097 of 1420 🔗

I actually find the thumbs thing a form of censorship, personally i don’t give a toss if anyone agrees with me, lets face it these comments sections are just a place to share content & vent. If you do get a large down vote though it can generate self censorship.

388388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1098 of 1420 🔗

It’s best ignored, except as simple (and limited) information. It can generate a kind of crude peer pressure effect, I suppose, if you let it.

388375 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1099 of 1420 🔗

Don’t blame me i rarely if ever participate in the voting system.

388387 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1100 of 1420 🔗

No. I wouldn’t blame anyone in particular – I’ve just noticed this emerging habit from some individuals.

388545 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #1101 of 1420 🔗

It’s a very quick and easy way for 77th to stir people up …

388406 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to RickH, 3, #1102 of 1420 🔗

He made the serious mistake of revealing that downvotes really damage his fragile little ego, so the brain problem is his.

And he’s perfectly happy to dish out abuse.

388321 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John P, 15, #1103 of 1420 🔗

you could shorten that sentence by deleting “sceptics website”

388327 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 13, #1104 of 1420 🔗

Nor would the ability of the MSM and Government to deliver fear porn.

388334 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 11, #1105 of 1420 🔗

Coming up at the top of the hour: grass green, water wet, Pope Catholic, and a surprising fact about bears! Stay tuned for more breaking news!

388384 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1106 of 1420 🔗

Pfff. More fake news.

388339 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to John P, 7, #1107 of 1420 🔗


Go and get a beer, and log off the PC for the night, It will do you good.

388348 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John P, 25, #1108 of 1420 🔗

Without the internet the lockdown sceptics website would not exist.

Without the internet the ‘Pandemic’ would not exist.

Fixed that for you.

388398 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1109 of 1420 🔗

Yeah, it would. We have the BBC. And AIDS was pre-internet

388705 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1110 of 1420 🔗

This gives me hope.

Even though AIDS has been around for nearly 40 years, people still have sex

Maybe in about 40 years from now, people might start living again 🙂

388401 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John P, 6, #1111 of 1420 🔗

Nor would lockdowns.

388459 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, #1112 of 1420 🔗


It’s a tool for good and bad, like all tools

I think we’d be better off if some of the big tech virtual monopolies were broken up, but I think technological progress is generally a good thing, just sad that our evolution as individuals and societies is not able to keep pace with it

388318 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1113 of 1420 🔗

The new published study of effectiveness in the Israeli vaccination campaign.50% effectiveness after one dose. A cohort study. The article fiercely debated already. Diabetics a subgroup not so good result, unexpected from the study trials. Also objections that endpoint in the study PCR pos result not hospitalizations or deaths. But the researchers optimistic that the second dose will do the trick.
But UK no second dose. Perhaps 50% effective is that not the same as for previous flu vaccine protection?
 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250612v1 The effectiveness of the first dose of BNT162 b 2 vaccine in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infection 13-24 days after immunization: real-world evidence
Conclusions We demonstrated an effectiveness of 51% of BNT162b2 vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 infection 13-24 days after immunization with the first dose. Immunization with the second dose should be continued to attain the anticipated protection.

388331 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1114 of 1420 🔗

This postponement of the second dose by the Government, contrary to all Pfizer/BNT’s recommendations, is such a blatant attempt to get the numbers of the vaccinated up so they can claim bragging rights over the EU and throw red meat to the Covidian Press. The efficacy of the vaccines is largely irrelevant to them – just a tedious detail.

388352 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #1115 of 1420 🔗

Indeed irrelevant and I don’t believe they have any effective way to measure the impact of the vaccine

388382 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1116 of 1420 🔗

The vaccines do not provide any immunity or stop transmission. That much we know from the vaccine companies themselves. All they do is reduce symptoms, or so they claim.

If the goal then is to reduce hospitalisations and one vaccine achieves that in most people, then it is logical and coherent to prioritise administering one jab.

This is of course based on the assumption that the individual no longer matters and we all exist to be part of the state and do what the state wants us to, which right now seems to be to not bother the NHS too much.

In the current world where we are just subjects of the state without agency, this is actually all very coherent.

388465 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to stewart, 5, #1117 of 1420 🔗

Yes, exactly right – this is what happens when so-called “public health” (collectivism) replaces medical treatment of individual patients. I know I posted something very similar before, but I think it’s worth repeating.

388345 Mark, replying to Mark, 23, #1118 of 1420 🔗

The contemptible Devi Sridhar takes a token step towards sanity. Comments are hilarious, as her former panicker adherents turn on her for deviating from dogma. “We’re all going to die” “Would you like to be in a classroom with 30 children?” “So you’ll be volunteering to take face to face classes of 30+ teenagers with no social distancing or masks and only open windows (in freezing winter) and one bottle of sanitizer to keep you safe?”

What a bunch of – sorry, there really isn’t a better term – bedwetters!

Prof. Devi Sridhar


I’m increasingly convinced by data from countries across the world that we are underestimating the harms of keeping young kids out of school & overplaying their role in transmission. Children should be in school.


388350 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #1119 of 1420 🔗

[Forgot I’d made up that first quote. Apologies – mea culpa. The other two are genuine quotes from panicking twittertwats on that thread.]

388351 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 5, #1120 of 1420 🔗

Yes, if any like her do turn properly they will be crucified by their former followers

388354 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mark, 29, #1121 of 1420 🔗

I always said the zero Covid merchants and hardcore zealots would be the first to crumble. I think it is happening. We are weeks away from freedom. I can taste it.

388355 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1122 of 1420 🔗

Well, you mean like 10 months ago, and 6 months ago and ……. ?

388419 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to iane, 3, #1123 of 1420 🔗

Yeah, the kairotic moment is upon us 😉

388376 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 24, #1124 of 1420 🔗

Bombing down the M1 today while listening to Radio 3 I caught the very short news on there and of the two Covid related items, one was a lady propounding GBD as we can’t go on like this, the other was a guy highlighting the deleterious impact of the school closures on disadvantaged kids. Not very BBC like (certainly the former anyway!)

388469 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1125 of 1420 🔗

SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, and there’s fuck all anyone can do about it.

388357 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Mark, 15, #1126 of 1420 🔗

Mark, there seem to be a few ‘turning’, not just her – Cuomo in NY state, NY mayor de Blasio, Drakeford in Wales, and Ewan mentions one of the lockdown fanatics in Dublin below. Wonder whether this is more than a coincidence?

388367 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1127 of 1420 🔗

What’s Drakeford said?? This is news to me.

388377 ▶▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1128 of 1420 🔗

I believe he’s loosening his grip on Welsh schools’ throat.

388446 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1129 of 1420 🔗

He said it was bad for children not to be in school, then he closed the schools.
Last summer he said compulsory face nappies were an affront to civic rights, then he made face nappies compulsory.
Welsh windbag speak with forked bellows.

388380 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #1130 of 1420 🔗

Straws in the wind, hopefully, from the conflagration that will destroy the lockdown establishment.

Probably not, sadly, but if these bastards do back down finally, while trying to keep in control , let’s make sure we neither forget them and what they’ve done, nor forgive them.

388420 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Mark, 17, #1131 of 1420 🔗

I agree. Some commentators on Telegraph last night were getting past themselves with praise for Doris on the vaccine ‘success’. Someone rightly pointed out that just as one mistake should not condemn everything someone does (as per Carl Heneghan on Julia H-B’s show yesterday), so one success should not wipe out the unmitigated disaster he has created through lockdowns. He needs to go, and be brought in front of a court of law with his inner circle and their advisers.

388435 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #1132 of 1420 🔗

Yes. I suspect that Tory MPs will finally give him his marching orders in the spring if things aren’t opened up. I certainly hope so, and would like nothing better than seeing him and his fellow cabinet ministers and advisers in court.

388438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #1133 of 1420 🔗

My anger keeps me going!

388440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #1134 of 1420 🔗

I wish I could share your optimism

How many Tory MPs voted against the last national lockdown?

How many have openly criticised the current policies?

How many have leapt to the defence of Swayne?

388506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, #1135 of 1420 🔗

Your last point especially.

388359 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 25, #1136 of 1420 🔗

Why do you need ‘data’ to appreciate that locking up children at home away from friends and family is bad for them??

388366 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Adamb, 25, #1137 of 1420 🔗

Devi doesn’t do science, medicine or data because she is a social anthropologist with a political agenda.

388379 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 13, #1138 of 1420 🔗

Agreed, but my point was that you don’t need to be a data scientist to see that children would be harmed by this. I’ll take a wild guess that she has no children herself.

388393 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Adamb, 6, #1139 of 1420 🔗

Indeed, you need to be either blinded by being in a hysterical panic, or afflicted with a very strong ulterior motivation, not to see that simple truth and recognise its crucial importance.

388408 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Adamb, 9, #1140 of 1420 🔗

She has one child apparently. Assume her child is in school/nursery because she has key worker status. 100% protected salary. Oblivious to the real world, and unconcerned as her political agenda is aligned to higher level objectives.

388424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 22, #1141 of 1420 🔗

Interesting, I retract my snide comment then. Having said that, I heard a bloke at work the other day telling us how he was loving working from home most of the time, he loved not commuting and he’d set up a nice home gym for himself. He then said his 18 year old son had managed to get 2 days a week working in McDonalds and spent the rest of his time playing PlayStation. “But it is what is, right?” he said. No it f***ing isn’t what it is!! What is wrong with these people…

388453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Adamb, 4, #1142 of 1420 🔗

When people say that, I doubt many truly believe it. They just say it because it’s easier than the alternative which is to admit that we’re in deep shit

388468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Adamb, 4, #1143 of 1420 🔗

That phrase, along with Stay Safe are the 2 that enrage me the most.

It is what it is??????????? Not without the lies it bloody wouldn’t be

388432 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 7, #1144 of 1420 🔗

Actually, a friend at the university says she has a nanny. No joke.

Agree that she is totally political/ideological and very dangerous. She should not be allowed anywhere near public policy, but this is Scotland, where it’s all about ‘feelings’.

388444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #1145 of 1420 🔗

Oh, how middle class! Yes, suspect she will be looking for a new job soon once Ms Sturgeon is brought down. With the Democrats back in charge, assume she is looking for a position at a US university such as Harvard.

388461 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #1146 of 1420 🔗

Yes, I suspect this might be what happens. Many American academic people here seem to return at some point. Let’s hope this is the case (and that the Dear Leader resigns soon).

388481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1147 of 1420 🔗

A very small criticism, good Sir; the correct spelling is “feewings”. In a whingy voice.

388452 ▶▶▶▶ PW, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1148 of 1420 🔗

Part of the SG Coven….

388456 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Adamb, 3, #1149 of 1420 🔗

The pretence that she even looks at or cares about data is laughable.

388372 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 2, #1150 of 1420 🔗

You’re just falling into the establishment trap acknowledging her or that her opinion is worthy of repeating.

388460 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark, 3, #1151 of 1420 🔗

It would be wonderful to see these wolves devour each other. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

388498 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Mark, 1, #1152 of 1420 🔗

It’s mostly sickophants* that have been saying how she’s always been the voice of reason

Which actually means she’s always said the things they wanted to hear but now she’s said something they don’t like she is scum.

*I know it’s sycophant but the comments make me want to puke

388529 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1153 of 1420 🔗

It puts me in mind of the very beginning of this shit show, when Daily Mail readers were full of praise for Chris Fuck-Whitty, how he was the man to lead us calmly through the storm, blah blah blah. That worm certainly turned.

388356 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 49, #1154 of 1420 🔗

As expected, today’s Great Reopening was small, with only about 80 businesses in the country taking part. I cycled a round trip of 22 miles to visit the nearest one to me (in order to be able to claim I was exercising), and had a very nice chat with the owner. She had already had the police round for a ‘quiet chat’ but had managed not to be issued an FPN.

It’s a growing movement with new people joining the Telegram groups all the time – more people are swapping information and getting to meet sceptics in their area, in order to set up a ‘parallel economy’ of underground businesses, socialising and support.

388414 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1155 of 1420 🔗

They’re afraid of the outrageously HUGE fines, no doubt, and the risk of losing their licences for ever. And this is exactly what our ”government” has been counting on.
After all, the fines have only just been increased.

388365 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #1156 of 1420 🔗

J-Lo making an ass of herself ( 😉 )

I hope they are not letting her do the driving.

388373 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 16, #1157 of 1420 🔗

Jenny from the Block(ed airways).

388381 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #1158 of 1420 🔗

Well done to this lady!!!


She had the balls to stand up to those police and tell them a few home truths!

388487 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1159 of 1420 🔗

Wonderful woman!

388396 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 11, #1160 of 1420 🔗

Yet another Saturday evening listening to Craig Charles with a few drinks. The more weeks this goes on the more I feel the joie de vivre this music represents is just a sick joke. Maybe I need to try new drinks….

388415 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Adamb, 6, #1161 of 1420 🔗

I’d be up for getting hammered and spamming the comments section one night if everyone else is up for it. I do it on my own anyway.

388439 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1162 of 1420 🔗

Hahaha cheers for the laugh Tom. Bottoms up!

388407 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 12, #1163 of 1420 🔗
388454 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #1164 of 1420 🔗

Hehe. I was cheered to learn of such from someone I know. He and a bunch of his mates have set up a ‘pub’ in a unit on an industrial estate. There’s a proper bar, complete with beer pulls, where they enjoy a few bevvies and Sky tv.

388638 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nymeria, #1165 of 1420 🔗

I’m sure by next Christmas I will be drinking in an unlicensed bar.

388411 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 16, #1166 of 1420 🔗

The Great Re-Opening – not!
This site:
showed only one place open in the East Midlands (pop 5m).
Mrs BTL and I drove over to have a look – it was dead, door locked. Rang the number and the owner said they had been put on the list without their knowledge.
Could have been a doube-bluff of course as they didn’t know me from Adam, but I heard nary a sound of joy and laughter inside. Depressing drive home 🙁

388426 ▶▶ DThom, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #1167 of 1420 🔗

Yes I walked around Darlington today sadly nobody open. I expect it’s the fines!

388448 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DThom, 23, #1168 of 1420 🔗

It is turning out to be quite a shock to discover that Britons are actually not the freedom loving people we all assumed, isn’t it.

I think Britain resisted in WWII by pure chance, because as fate would have it someone with the strength of character and ideas of Churchill was in the right place at the right time. Had someone who thought we should make a deal with Germany have had the upper hand at that moment, that’s what we would have done.

Seems to me that the British people are proving themselves to be above all else compliant and obedient

388451 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to stewart, 11, #1169 of 1420 🔗

Indeed. A right disappointing bunch of bedwetters.

388482 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to stewart, 7, #1170 of 1420 🔗

Within the hidden history of the world wars are the motivations of the money men, an ever present malevolent force, prepared to drive the populace over the cliff whenever a sniff of a great money making crisis appears. The English speaking countries seem particularly susceptible to their deceptions.

388474 ▶▶▶ Tattersall, replying to DThom, 6, #1171 of 1420 🔗

Yes, it’s the fines all right. They’ve been very clever that way. A lot of people would risk having to spend a couple of weeks in jail (I would), but a financially-crippling fine is another thing.

388512 ▶▶▶▶ nic, replying to Tattersall, 1, #1172 of 1420 🔗

Agree 10 k possibly

388412 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 20, #1173 of 1420 🔗

I’ve just been watching the prog on TV about Chatsworth. And there they are, working outside, miles away from anyone – with their muzzles on.

To be honest, I really believe that the dimwits of ALL persuasions have actually forgotten WHY they are actually wearing these scraps of pointless pieces of paper! I’ve often thought this as I’m round and about – stop any of them and ask WHY, and I’ll bet they have no idea any more.

388480 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #1174 of 1420 🔗

I suspect they only put them on for the cameras.

388413 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1175 of 1420 🔗

The Guardian: Tory MP who said Covid figures were ‘manipulated’ could be disciplined.

388421 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Tom Blackburn, 22, #1176 of 1420 🔗

Disciplined for telling the truth! What a farce

388425 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DThom, 12, #1177 of 1420 🔗

‘could’ be disciplined also means could not be disciplined – as Mr Hitchens would say

388511 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DThom, 2, #1178 of 1420 🔗

The Morning Star mentioned Rayner saying he was disturbing the national consensus. Totalitarianism…

388441 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #1179 of 1420 🔗

“Disciplining” an elected official for saying something that true would be wading ever deeper into totalitarianism.

I have to admit, I always thought living in Soviet Russia or North Korea would have been horrible and I regret to have found out I wasn’t wrong.

388442 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #1180 of 1420 🔗

They mention he wore blackface at a party

I honestly think this (Gove’s continued attacks) shows that the zealots are in this until the bitter end, so any Tory MP stepping out of line is betting their career on being on the winning side

388445 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #1181 of 1420 🔗

he wore blackface at a party

The horror!

388450 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #1182 of 1420 🔗

I wonder if they have their own special database of smears and horror facts – or maybe they just rely on Wikipedia, which in my experience can be relied upon to feature all such transgressions for anyone or anything now considered even mildly beyond the pale politically

388457 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Mark, 3, #1183 of 1420 🔗

I like that he said the reason he wouldn’t do it again is because it was difficult to get off.

388463 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Jonny S., #1184 of 1420 🔗

Does he not read Wodehouse – butter or petrol.

388473 ▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Mark, 8, #1185 of 1420 🔗

so did woke hero Justin Trudeau – but he seems to get a free pass

388527 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1186 of 1420 🔗

Yep. true. as did a big chunk of Hollywood – Sarah Silverman, Jimmy Kimmell… Ted Danson actually showed up as blackface to roast Whoopi Goldberg at a big celeb event. “Ah, but all of the above, that was different!”

388528 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Mark, 3, #1187 of 1420 🔗

Gasp. Not like…Turdeau?

388494 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 2, #1188 of 1420 🔗

Trial by media.

Objection your honour, irrelevant.

388526 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1189 of 1420 🔗

Will it involve a dominatrix?

388537 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1190 of 1420 🔗

I bet they make face fuck a dead pig.

388582 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1191 of 1420 🔗

Who is this person? We must write to congratulate him.

388436 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #1193 of 1420 🔗


Anyone needing a reminder of the monsterous stupidity of the state need only click that link. A huge list of all diktats and decrees each a shifting sand of legislation. This is no way to govern.

388472 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Basics, 1, #1194 of 1420 🔗

Do what I did, at the end of the bollocky list it asks if you found this information useful…..obviously I said no, then let rip in the comments!

388477 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Redundant Pilot, #1195 of 1420 🔗

I used the yes but link.

388483 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Basics, 2, #1196 of 1420 🔗

In the future when historians are looking back at this shitshow of a response to the virus, that series of documents should be page one, paragraph one. I want to say more but am now speechless.

388447 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #1197 of 1420 🔗

Interesting, if now old, view on the origin of the virus. A bit sciency, but not too much that the layman can’t follow. By Kevin McKernan. There is also a follow up i am about to watch.


388495 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1198 of 1420 🔗

A very good video – Kevin has called it totally right on a great many levels about this Covid thingy all along, and this video was from when there were very few scientific dissenters on 10 April 2020. I’m a fan of his.

Kevin understands Chemistry better than most. He also knows about finance and is a born natural critical thinker. He possesses rare but useful skills which have helped him see straight through this financial scam, since day one. Please post a link to the follow up.

388561 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to theanalyst, #1199 of 1420 🔗


Been looking at his twitter posts for a while now but just discovered his YouTube

388619 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny S., #1200 of 1420 🔗


388467 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #1201 of 1420 🔗

BBC Midlands today programme announced that a “sceptic” apologised for doubting the serious situation affecting the NHS.
And she also said that she realizes that she has “loved big brother” all along.

388475 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1202 of 1420 🔗


388486 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nymeria, 11, #1203 of 1420 🔗

Another sign of how desperate the collaborators are becoming.

388514 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1204 of 1420 🔗

I know.

388491 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1205 of 1420 🔗


388503 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1206 of 1420 🔗

Probably an actor…

388509 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DRW, 4, #1207 of 1420 🔗

A tear trickled down her cheek as she realised she loved Big Brother…

388501 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1208 of 1420 🔗

INGSOC lives!

388524 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1209 of 1420 🔗


388525 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1210 of 1420 🔗

Pass me the rat.

388577 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1211 of 1420 🔗

And she begged them to shoot her while her brain was still clean?

388476 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1212 of 1420 🔗


COVIDSafe | Australian Open (ausopen.com)

388492 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #1213 of 1420 🔗

When do I have to wear a face mask? Their answer is below, maybe they are still working on that one!

A robust and thorough COVIDSafe plan will be implemented for Australian Open 2021 in accordance with the Victorian Government’s Public Events Framework. We will work with DHHS and other agencies to ensure that all aspects of your event experience are consistent with public health expectations.

388549 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steeve, #1214 of 1420 🔗

And whose ”expectations” would THEY be, then?

388493 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #1215 of 1420 🔗

It all sounds like posh Play School to me!

388558 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steeve, #1216 of 1420 🔗

If they are zero covid as tney claim to be then what’s the problem?

388484 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 10, #1217 of 1420 🔗

Any thoughts on wandycocks new COVID laws he passed at 5pm yesterday !! Without any scrutiny!!!…

388485 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Boy, #1218 of 1420 🔗


388603 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1219 of 1420 🔗

Soz GS , SSDD 🤔

388616 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Boy, #1220 of 1420 🔗

Same Shit Different Day

388706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1221 of 1420 🔗

🤦🏼‍♂️ 😂

388497 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1222 of 1420 🔗

Is it more health advice to ignore?

388612 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1223 of 1420 🔗

A couple of laws ! one about if 15 people found together £800 fine but £400 if paid within 2 weeks , just checking the other one 👍

388505 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1224 of 1420 🔗

So much for ‘parliamentary sovereignty’.

388547 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1225 of 1420 🔗

He’s just someone’s useful idiot. But whose? Surely they could have chosen a more believable spokesperson than this deeply unattractive oik.

388584 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1226 of 1420 🔗

Sacrificial lamb. He’s too dumb to realise he’ll be the first under the bus.

388488 Cheezilla, 23, #1227 of 1420 🔗


388499 DRW, replying to DRW, 15, #1229 of 1420 🔗

Sad to see no rebellion in my town today and still plenty of bloody outdoor maskoids. Traffic fairly normal though, let’s see if things improve with the weather come the spring.

388502 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to DRW, 15, #1230 of 1420 🔗

Things will improve in the spring – or else. I’m trying to be optimistic and suspect that many people have had enough of this shitshow.

388508 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DRW, 4, #1231 of 1420 🔗

Let’s hope it grows

388510 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to DRW, 4, #1232 of 1420 🔗

Maybe they were all in the speakeasy!

388516 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 8, #1233 of 1420 🔗

Despite the rain today, that didn’t deter people from trooping to Hyde Park and Kensington Park.

I think many people have had enough.

388590 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 5, #1234 of 1420 🔗

Protest Everywhere (Telegram) has a video of a pub in Wales where you can hear music and a good number of people chatting happily. They were careful not to show identifiable details.

388513 nic, replying to nic, 20, #1236 of 1420 🔗

Remember once ,furlough and financial help is stopped , that will be the end of compliance, and shops will open to survive

388518 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to nic, 12, #1237 of 1420 🔗

I agree. What we have at the moment is what I call subsidised complacency. Once the subsidy disappears, so too will the complacency.

388520 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nic, 3, #1238 of 1420 🔗

Nah the whole entire country will be bankrupt, the knock on effects from the consequences of government borrowing will be felt for decades. Inflation, taxes, unemployment.

388588 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1239 of 1420 🔗

I think that’s the aim of the mockdown footdragging.

388653 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1240 of 1420 🔗

It is becoming clear that this is the whole point of lockdown;to destroy the economy so it can be built back in a zero carbon way.

388563 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nic, 3, #1241 of 1420 🔗

But Fishi has prolonged the fake money hose every time.

388517 Anti_socialist, 14, #1242 of 1420 🔗

Random quote from the internet;

“This game has only been out 2 years nearly 3 and has given me so many memories”

That’s the world we now live in, video game memories replace life experience & its terrifying!

388522 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 13, #1243 of 1420 🔗

Russell Brand has a good, highly sceptical look at the Great Reset on his You Tube channel. Worth a look as it is coming from someone who has identified with the radical left, veganism and environmentalism.

388663 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to OKUK, 1, #1244 of 1420 🔗

like you’d believe anything that tw*t had to say?

388523 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 10, #1245 of 1420 🔗

Scottish business owner defends herself against police trying to close her down:

2 minute video.


388530 ▶▶ John P, replying to rockoman, 2, #1246 of 1420 🔗

Yes, it’s good. I posted it about 2 hours ago and someone else about an hour later. I don’t even know if I was the first.

Just goes to show that people don’t read all the comments !

388543 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to John P, 15, #1247 of 1420 🔗

We’d have to stay on this site for 24 hours a day to ”read all the comments”! That’s why it’s well worth posting something important more than once – obviously!

388544 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to John P, 3, #1248 of 1420 🔗

One of the weaknesses of this forum is the comment function It needs work to be useful. Some of us can’t spend hours on it.

388583 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to eastender53, 1, #1249 of 1420 🔗

This isn’t a forum, it’s merely a blogsite!
There is an associated forum but people tend to congregate here.
Just accept it as serendipity. Part of life’s great adventure.

388580 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1250 of 1420 🔗

There are 16 hours’-worth of comments so far today.
You really are on form tonight John.

388536 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to rockoman, 6, #1252 of 1420 🔗

That actually makes me feel embarrassed on their behalf. Cringeworthy to the enth degree.

388576 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1253 of 1420 🔗

Not just cringeworthy. Downright sloppy!
Pity their attitude to their job isn’t as slipshod.

388542 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to rockoman, 2, #1254 of 1420 🔗

Wait till you see the army’s entry. 😉


388578 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1255 of 1420 🔗

Definitely a much better show of discipline.

388559 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rockoman, 5, #1256 of 1420 🔗
388602 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1257 of 1420 🔗

That’s really disturbing. I shall blame you for any nightmares I may have tonight!

388647 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1258 of 1420 🔗

Is that Johnson…?

388654 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Draper233, 3, #1259 of 1420 🔗

Dunno, they all look alike to me…

388708 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Draper233, 3, #1260 of 1420 🔗

Looks uncannily like him.

388534 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #1261 of 1420 🔗

If anything, as a formerly “law abiding person”, this whole ordeal has shown me what a bunch of See You Next Tuesdays the Police actually are.

I don’t think I’ll ever be able to be in the same room as certain relatives associated with them in any way.

(I still try to obey the “basic” law – to do no harm – not the shit that this bunch of tosspots go round enforcing)

388540 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #1262 of 1420 🔗

Especially when one remembers certain phenomena of the last several decades where the police took no action.

388546 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to rockoman, -5, #1263 of 1420 🔗
388548 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1264 of 1420 🔗

Actually, my own post has made me feel sick.

I can’t downvote my own posts (and can’t edit it because I’ve now replied to myself), so please down vote it for me!

388552 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1265 of 1420 🔗

I tried to downvote Captain, but it wasn’t accepted.

388556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #1266 of 1420 🔗

Managed to do it for you

388562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Jonny S., #1267 of 1420 🔗


388557 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1268 of 1420 🔗

Not a Freemason in sight, I’m sure.

388568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1269 of 1420 🔗

Truth is often painful.

388645 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1270 of 1420 🔗

Yep, I literally feel physical disgust now when in the vicinity of the filth

388690 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1271 of 1420 🔗

Years ago the plod caught me speeding. They showed me the gun reading and it said 48mph. In court they suddenly tried to do me for 60mph, which, being twice the limit, is disqualification territory. I successfully disputed the 60 but accepted the 48. I should have moved to get the whole charge thrown out on that basis but I didn`t have enough legal knowledge. I then went on to learn law. The utter bastards. As I have said before, here and elsewhere, “And they wonder why people hate them!”.

388539 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 28, #1272 of 1420 🔗

So the French Kids are all expected to go to school, and so they do. Day after day. Why not the British kids? Are British Kids more dirty and infectious than French Kids? I thought we had a world beating vaccine program and that 80 plus percent of the most vulnerable have already been vaccinated. What is Boris waiting for? Why must our children continue to pay the price and suffer? Why wait another day?

388541 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to theanalyst, 10, #1273 of 1420 🔗

Good point.

It might be because the people running this shitshow are well aware that the French are more likely to kick off than the bunch of apathetic idiots inhabiting Britain, so they thought they’d give them a few concessions.

388554 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1274 of 1420 🔗

I remember my childhood, i hated school, i would have loved covid19!

I don’t quite understand the furore about closed schools, they really are just indoctrination centres (leftist ones ATM). I fully understand opposition to all the BS measure etc in schools & teachers covidian worship but those kids that really benefit from schools formal education likely wont be disadvantged & those that don’t really benefit anyway will likely feel no difference.

I do have sympathy for university students, but end of the day its who you know more than what you know, always has been.

388565 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1275 of 1420 🔗

You’re missing the main point about the kids not being able to socialise. Their social and emotional development is being severely affected, to say nothing of their mental health.
The educational aspects are very small potatoes compared with the damage this is doing to their development, especially to adolescents.

388585 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1276 of 1420 🔗

Not really the point I was making, i was giving my personal view of the value of formal education.

Not so sure that lockdowns make much difference to socialising, most people seem to spend their lives looking at smart phone screens texting each other anyway.

388607 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1277 of 1420 🔗

Many years ago, my job was to teach French to kids who could hardly read and write English. Trust me, I place very little value on formal education.
I disagree about the screens. They text each other etc when apart but there’s plenty of chatter and laughter when face-to-face.
My granddaughter came to stay last week. She now “chats” with her friends silently on whatsapp. I’ve heard them giggling together on the phone in the past but actual vocal interaction seems to be a recent mockdown casualty and one which worries me immensely.

388566 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1278 of 1420 🔗

I was strong academically but there’s no way I would have achieved much without proper teaching. Nor would I have coped without any social interaction. Home wasn’t particularly happy for me, but loads of kids were and still are far worse off in that respect than I was. I accept that school is a wholly negative experience for some but growing up in one’s bedroom, gaming and trawling social media (what else can they do) doesn’t seem like much of a childhood to me.

388579 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1279 of 1420 🔗

Good points!

School isn’t for everyone not everyone benefits, i’m not anti knowledge or learning, my view is schools have become to formal & draconian there main function conformity to an ideology.

Sadly I don’t think school makes much difference, with kids spending their lives looking down at a screen in the 21st century, most adults i know seem to have been possessed by mobile phones.

What schools aren’t any more, are places to teach pupils critical thinking.

388596 ▶▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1280 of 1420 🔗

Baby Boomers don’t give a s%it about the horrors their selfishness imposes on the young. Are they critically thinking? I think not. Critical thinking is a choice, not something gifted by teachers. So you have a point I agree.

388600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1281 of 1420 🔗

You may have proved my point.

388599 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1282 of 1420 🔗

Those are fair points too. I am profoundly grateful that I grew up without social media and with text books. I don’t ever recall having to worry about expressing the ‘correct’ views or being scrutinised by the whole world 24/7. And being a teenager was still pretty turbulent in an analogue world.
I’m probably a luddite but I have never understood why kids are allowed phones in school. What chance have the teachers got (regardless of whether their aim is education or indoctrination)?

388570 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1283 of 1420 🔗

LOL that was predictable.

Forced formal education just enables neo-liberal globalism, in ten-fifteen yrs they’re be no jobs the majority will be on UBI, the robots will build the robots, ai prescribing medicine, rules based order replacing law (no lawyers required), automated systems building plastic crap for consumption, mechanised Ai growing food, robots stacking warehouse selves, self driving vehicles making most manual jobs obsolete,.

All you’ll be taught in school is how to be a good slave.

388571 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1284 of 1420 🔗

“they really are just indoctrination centres (leftist ones ATM)”

Nothing like a bit of help for 77th Brigade when the Covidian arguments are falling apart!

388594 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 3, #1285 of 1420 🔗

LOL why would a libertarian minded person a) work for 77th & b) advocate state sponsored education.

Come on you’ve got to do better than these juvenile slurs.

388685 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Anti_socialist, #1286 of 1420 🔗

It`s all he can manage.

388597 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1287 of 1420 🔗

There is one problem with the “it’s who you know” part. There are only so many useful people to know.

So without some kind of education you would end up with a load of uneducated people who don’t know anyone useful.

388613 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1288 of 1420 🔗

You could say that about the system/establishment what ever, but thats the point for some, it provides all they want, they literally benefit so much they enjoy its constraints. I suppose its really about what you value, for me freedom is more important than security & collecting material wealth. Perhaps that’s where the indoctrination into the system comes in.

One thing is for sure like you say privileged wealth & access to it is finite & carefully regulated, hence the fixed rat race.

Which is why we have a lockdown divide, those that are independent & self reliant are harmed more by this craziness.

388665 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1289 of 1420 🔗

all good and valid points: but bear in mind: school provides necessary ‘respite care’ for some parents; it enables others to go to work; it gives children an alternative perspective on the home – beneficial both where the home-life is less than ideal, and perhaps also when it’s too ideal; it is where most children get their friends; it provides structure to the day. none of this is to say that there aren’t better ways of achieving all this – but rest assured, locking them up with their families to sit permanently in front of a screen is definitely not one of them.

388591 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1290 of 1420 🔗

As one The Apprentice (UK version) contestant once asked:

“Do the French love their children?”

I guess now we know.

388648 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1291 of 1420 🔗

Just seen something on Twatter claiming that UK schools are “different” from anywhere else in the world as they are “poorly ventilated, large class sizes, lots of ethnic minorities” and therefore evidence from elsewhere in the world that schools don’t fuel the spread can’t be taken to apply here so they MUST STAY CLOSED (forever, presumably…).

388684 ▶▶ Janette, replying to theanalyst, #1292 of 1420 🔗

My thoughts exactly

388691 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to theanalyst, #1293 of 1420 🔗

I think they have to wear masks, though.

388560 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 25, #1294 of 1420 🔗

My builder came this morning to check the roof and clean out the gutters.
No face nappy, no antisocial-distancing. Long chat – he could talk the hind legs off a donkey!
Swapped a couple of covid anecdotes. His conclusion – it’s all about money.

388574 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1295 of 1420 🔗

Just look at the Covid testing racket.

It’s a freaking money printer for big Pharma.

388621 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1296 of 1420 🔗

Definitely all about the money – pharma coining it in, testing, tracking and tracing all coining it in. Then furlough and covid marshals – all in the pay of the government, while successful independent businesses are being destroyed. What could possibly go wrong ?

388572 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 19, #1297 of 1420 🔗

So, now Covidians are beginning to brag about getting their jabs in their online dating profiles.

Someone just shoot me.

388575 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1298 of 1420 🔗

Hopefully, these dating sites will be able to “un-misinform” people.

For example, anyone who answers…

“Would you like to have children?” YES
“Have you had the experimental jab or will you take it if offered?” YES

…should be issued with a “fact check” saying that there may be a chance that the experimental jab makes you infertile and that no one is really sure how likely this is because it hasn’t been tested properly.

388586 ▶▶ JASA, replying to awildgoose, 14, #1299 of 1420 🔗

In addition to having photos showing them wearing face nappies. There are lots. Why advertise that you are a brain dead, moronic virtue signaller?

388627 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JASA, #1300 of 1420 🔗

Totally. having said that I’m single at the mo – perhaps this is an approach I have overlooked?! 🙂

388701 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1301 of 1420 🔗

Snap. Maybe I should try the face muzzle approach, and pretend I’ve had the jab.

388666 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JASA, 1, #1302 of 1420 🔗

So you can find another moron.

388688 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to jb12, 1, #1303 of 1420 🔗

They attract each other; matching neuroses. Like the middle-aged marrieds I see walking hand-in-hand down the street in their masks.

388702 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jane G, 2, #1304 of 1420 🔗

I absolutely could not go out with anyone who wears a mask.

388605 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1305 of 1420 🔗

Masks must be a godsend for some of the less attractive people in the online dating world.

Do you mind if i keep my mask on throughout the date? Can never be too careful…

388681 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1306 of 1420 🔗

Haha I like it

388624 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1307 of 1420 🔗

Not in the least surprised – I take a casual look around a few of these sites, not having much luck in pubs & bars lately!
I’d estimate around 20-30% at least of the profiles I’ve seen the last few weeks have at least one masked image prominent among the pictures… another significant percentage use the profile space to go into a virtuoso speech about how tolerant & inclusive they are, because they voted remain over 4 years ago…. it really is a jungle out there! 🙂

388678 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1308 of 1420 🔗

That`s them ignored then. Nauseating twats.

388716 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1309 of 1420 🔗

Wankers. Short and sweet but all I can say on the matter.

388679 ▶▶ Janette, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1310 of 1420 🔗

God that’s ridiculous. I know a Dr who has had the vaccine which is strange. Did he not do any research on it first!!!

388573 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 49, #1311 of 1420 🔗

Hello. Thank you for your kind messages earlier after my meltdown. I’m better now, me and my girls sat down and watched a film together. I won’t allow my relationship with my children to be destroyed by this utterly Satanic mass psychosis.

Thanks again.

388604 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1312 of 1420 🔗

Glad to hear you are feeling better. Try to put it out of your mind now.

388632 ▶▶ saab93viggen, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1313 of 1420 🔗

Ref. The Bourne Identity:

Marie: ‘These children, if….’

Jason: ‘That’s not gonna happen.’

Glad you’re feeling better and bless you all.

388676 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1314 of 1420 🔗

That’s good Jo I am glad you are feeling better. We all get days like that it’s only natural especially when we are living in very unnatural conditions.

388581 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 19, #1315 of 1420 🔗

More testing madness.


Government supply firms engaged in trial with 1.5 million test kits to test staff without symptoms three times a week.

John Lewis conducted 45,700 tests and claimed it had saved 6,643 days lost through staff self isolating after coming in contact with “covid sufferers”.

What they really mean is that they were losing massive number of days because of the government’s completely useless track and trace system and PCR testing, and are now subjecting their staff to mandatory intrusive testing for no reason whatsoever to help.the government show how positive cases against testing are falling using mass testing with LFT.

It’s another fucking con job.

388587 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #1316 of 1420 🔗

The price of stupidity is eternal testing or something like that.

388592 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #1317 of 1420 🔗

Testing, testing 1,2,3 er million…with no symptoms…waste of time and money.

388593 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #1318 of 1420 🔗

I’ve spoken with people in the track and trace system in NY state and it sounds as though things are breaking down. They weren’t even contacted at all after their recent flights into the state.

388589 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #1319 of 1420 🔗

I’m interested in what’s happening in Israel (a small country with a population of about 9 million but well advanced with its mass vaccination programme).

They began vaccination on 19 December. By the end of the year more than 10% of their population had been vaccinated – the most vulnerable people who are likely to end up hospitalised or dead with/from Covid. By now about 90% of the population has received a first shot and I think probably over 1 million have received both Pfizer shots.

But Sherlock Holmes might call this a case of the dog that didn’t bark.

Why aren’t we hearing in our vaxomad mainstream media scores of stories about the wonderful success of Israel’s advanced mass vaccination programme?…maybe because it hasn’t been a storming success. A couple of weeks ago the guy in charge of the programme said there had been no decline in critical cases. Even now, at the end of January the number of critical cases and deaths remains high.

This brings me on to a couple of related issues. Firstly, Van Tamm maintains the seasonality of Covid is related to our propensity to be outdoors in the fresh air or to have windows open. In winter we huddle indoors with windows closed. Sounds plausible.

But Israel’s Jan and Feb temperatures in the afternoon in January and Feb are in the high teens Celsius or the early 60s Farenheit. Sounds like warm early Spring in the UK. Are Israelis really huddled indoors at this time of year?

So how to explain Israel’s experience of Covid seasonality?

Israel did a deal with Pfizer to act as a guinea-pig nation for the vaccine. I’m suspicious about this. Was Israel chosen because it has world class medical sevices, excellent critual care and narrow seasonality, so they coukd be reasonably confident rates woukd tumble by February?

388598 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 5, #1320 of 1420 🔗

Good points!

388617 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to OKUK, 5, #1321 of 1420 🔗

I don’t see how they will be able to tell if the vaccines are doing anything.

Here in the UK there will be 3 possibilities that may be attributed to a decline in cases and/or deaths:

  1. Lockdown/restrictions
  2. Winters end
  3. Vaccines

The effects of the above are not expected to show fully till March/April time. If all 3 are in play how can they ever be sure what is causing a decline in cases and/or deaths?

Maybe that’s the plan though.

388650 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1322 of 1420 🔗

It does seem like vaccine performance is looking poor. However, that isn’t particularly surprising when the thing they are vaccinating against isn’t the cause of many deaths (the of/with problem), and the “cases” are testing errors.
If they can hang on until spring, they can pretend the vaccines worked. However their timing is off and they may need to revert to fixing the PCR fraud (at least until next winter).

388660 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to OKUK, 7, #1323 of 1420 🔗

The sheer screaming hypocrisy of Van Tam saying Covid is seasonal and reduced by UV / people being out in the fresh air when we had a spring summer of the govt/ PHE/NHS and police running a fear campaign and arresting / fining people getting UV / exercise / fresh air

388709 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1324 of 1420 🔗

This is one of the many downsides of lockdown!

388698 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to OKUK, #1325 of 1420 🔗

This brings me on to a couple of related issues. Firstly, Van Tamm maintains the seasonality of Covid is related to our propensity to be outdoors in the fresh air or to have windows open. In winter we huddle indoors with windows closed. Sounds plausible.

It’s totally implausible and I doubt there is any scientific evidence to back it up. So let’s look at it differently: how about it’s cold in winter? Colds and flu are the body’s reaction to colder air – homeostasis kicking in.

388707 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Portnadler, #1326 of 1420 🔗

But then it’s pretty warm in Israel and the Gulf states all year round…and when you get to the equatorial regions like Brazil it’s pretty much the same temperature all the year round.

I’m not sure there is an obvious right answer!

It might make more sense to view it from the virus’s point of view. Perhaps we should think of it more like a determined invading army that will seek out any weak points in the enemy’s positions – and wherever they get a breakthrough the viral forces will flood in. Whether it can break through is crucially a matter of the enemy’s defences (cross immunity, housing density, cultural hygiene habits and other factors) ,

388595 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 23, #1327 of 1420 🔗

You thought it was all over? Not ’till 2022 it isn’t. Well, that’s what SAGE says (hopes). See this in The Telegraph (free):


It’s based on more modelling from your favourite London university.

(edit) There are some excellent comments.

388601 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1328 of 1420 🔗

There are indeed!

388609 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 11, #1329 of 1420 🔗

Can’t find one that doesn’t sound like one of us

388614 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to CGL, 19, #1330 of 1420 🔗

I can’t believe the comments I’ve just read them all!! its really astounding it does sound like all of us have gone over to the Telegraph – will they allow these comments to stay? I’m going to bed happy ( well slightly less depressed than usual!)

388608 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1331 of 1420 🔗

Someone quoted some “experts” claiming test and trace regulations in the hospitality would have to remain in place into the mid 2030s…any advance on 2035?…do I hear 2040??

388611 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1332 of 1420 🔗

Modelling suggests

Stopped reading after that.

388615 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1333 of 1420 🔗

skip down through all that to the comments

388655 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Marialta, 6, #1334 of 1420 🔗

yes, comments enormously opposed to SAGE bollox.

388671 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1335 of 1420 🔗

I didn’t bother with Nuki’s nonsense. The comments are very encouraging though.
Looks like the numerous DT trolls have got the night off.

388633 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1336 of 1420 🔗

And why not?

Considering how pathetic and gutless the British public are, they’ll probably get away with it again.

388652 ▶▶ court, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1337 of 1420 🔗

Thanks for this, the comments are brilliant!

388662 ▶▶ optocarol, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1338 of 1420 🔗

Just read the comments and feel greatly cheered up!

388669 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1339 of 1420 🔗

Fantastic comments. The English are beginning to hate.

388689 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1340 of 1420 🔗

There usually are some excellent comments in the DT but the thing I’ve noticed in the past couple of weeks is that the pro-lockdown posts are becoming fewer and fewer. This is heartening.

388719 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1341 of 1420 🔗

Those comments really cheered me up!

Now on to the Guradian…


388606 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1342 of 1420 🔗

Was there any mileage in that Nuremberg article that was posted earlier 🤔

388661 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1343 of 1420 🔗

Got a like on fb so far.

388610 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #1344 of 1420 🔗

Hope Toby and Co pick up on that link to the video of the eloquent Scottish shop owner in a stand off with the police, posted by Rock Oman and John P. The guy filming it was certainly taking a risk as well…the Police really don’t like interruptions!

388644 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to OKUK, 4, #1345 of 1420 🔗

Yes. Pretty sure it’ll be on UK Column on Monday too.

388618 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1346 of 1420 🔗

Three masks and you’re out! Like a light.

388755 ▶▶ Annie, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1347 of 1420 🔗

Cue mental picture of supermarket aisles strewn with unconscious zombie bods. Well they collapse six feet apart I wonder?

388634 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 51, #1348 of 1420 🔗

I am infuriated by all the articles about the need for more mental health support for children. And adults, for that matter. Yes, some might need more targeted help but 90%+ just need their lives back! What sort of therapy exists that makes someone happy to be in solitary confinement, be financially destroyed or unable to imagine a tolerable future?! Only some sinister type of brainwashing would do that. Break people and then make them content to be broken.

I have never been lower in my life (and there have been a few serious downs). I need to earn a living and I need human touch. Modest needs but sacrilege to even utter such words. I am sick of the narrative that being denied normal human existence and suffering as a result is a mental health problem.

388640 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1349 of 1420 🔗

You’re absolutely right. The epidemic of mental health problems is induced. Stop the poisoning, and we would have the real incidence.

388642 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Charlie Blue, 31, #1350 of 1420 🔗

I profoundly agree with you. I tell people that I cannot bear to live like this, alone constantly for week after week after week with no prospect of it ever being over, and they advise me to find a therapist or to ‘accept’ the situation. I can’t accept the situation: I’m a human being and it’s making me ill.

388649 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alethea, 22, #1351 of 1420 🔗

Exactly. I am the person among my friends and family who is always the shoulder to cry on and the provider of common sense, understanding and practical solutions. I never lean on anyone. Now when I say I’m struggling I hear “aren’t we all” or “you should find someone to talk to” (not them, of course). Too difficult for them to imagine how it feels to live alone like us, or for those that live in very unhappy or unsafe homes. Empathy has been one more casualty of this debacle.

388658 ▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1352 of 1420 🔗

I agree too – obviously any difference in mental health issues is due to the circumstances. I live alone too, but do have people who will listen, for which I am thankful. I’m usually the go to person too.

388695 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Alethea, 5, #1353 of 1420 🔗

You shouldn’t have to find a therapist, or accept anything other than a normal life.

388659 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1354 of 1420 🔗

My builder today was saying that he can’t understand why his dad, aged 74, still insists on working as a builder at age 74. I pointed out that it makes his life meaningful.

388667 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1355 of 1420 🔗

I think we need to break the rules a bit for our own sanity. It’s absolute madness what they are doing to people but if more businesses start opening up like some did today it’s a start and if we all give them support we will win this battle. Stay strong for us L S

388687 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1356 of 1420 🔗

Absolutely agree!

388694 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1357 of 1420 🔗

Damn right, Charlie.

388637 peter-, replying to peter-, 15, #1358 of 1420 🔗

Watching the way the police have been behaving the last 11 months it is abundantly clear they are under direct orders to deliberately goad physical reactions from the public.

People aren’t out and about as much, so arrests for speeding, drunk and disorderly and the like are well down and they have to pad those arrest records some how.

It may be coincidence but it seems Midlands Police are the most guilty of this, followed by Scotland.

They are a shameful organisation and a stain on this country.

It isn’t going to be long until they pick on the wrong person over these rules and their whole pattern of behaviour comes back to bite them badly and potentially fatally.

388646 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, 7, #1359 of 1420 🔗

Sadly its nothing new, perhaps you’ve only just become aware of it because of the publicity.

They’ve trained this way, to provoke reaction to enable spurious charges, gone has the era of de-escalation, their function now is to enforce control & conformity not law (i’ve always had issue with the order bit).

388651 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1360 of 1420 🔗

Interesting point and perhaps you are right. I do feel it may differ depending on which force it is. Living in London I rarely see police anywhere (may seem odd but a Friday was the first time I saw a police car when out and about for months).

If any of these regulations ever get eased (highly unlikely in my opinion) and they are going to come back down to Earth with a huge bump and realise the public have little to no respect for them.

388674 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, 2, #1361 of 1420 🔗

He he, where I live ive not seen a policeman for 15 years, but the internet shows them for what they are.

388657 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jinks, 1, #1363 of 1420 🔗

but last October

388643 Jinks, 2, #1364 of 1420 🔗


The CDC has done another data dump into the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a U.S. Government funded database that tracks injuries and deaths caused by vaccines.

The data goes through January 22, 2021, with 9,845 recorded adverse events including 329 deaths following injections of the experimental COVID mRNA shots by Pfizer and Moderna

388656 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 12, #1365 of 1420 🔗

A close family member had an “underground” haircut today. The barber has been doing coppers’ hair as well. I think most of the constabulary are a hair’s breadth (pun intended) from failing to enforce this nonsense.

388672 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to WasSteph, 2, #1366 of 1420 🔗

Wishful thinking Police probe footage of man being hauled away by Covid crackdown cops its just cognitive dissonance, if they were devout covidians they wouldn’t go to work.
Most fuzz enjoy ordering people around & roughing them up. Don’t sympathise for them.

388704 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, -2, #1367 of 1420 🔗

“Most fuzz enjoy ordering people around & roughing them up.”


Watching the London demos doesn’t support that. The behaviour of the TSG was noticeably different from other police, although institutions can be corrupted by a government like this one, and the previous incarnation under Thatcher government at the time of the miners’ strike.

388736 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #1368 of 1420 🔗

Funny enough I wasn’t thinking of riot police or protests. I was thinking how they’ve been trained at the slightest dissent to throw people on the ground like trash shouting don’t resist whilst punching & kicking the victim they’re kneeling on.

You know its like we imagined all those riots caused by police brutality in the summer!

388673 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to WasSteph, 6, #1369 of 1420 🔗

an “underground” haircut

If this is where we are, this country is in a terrible state.

388677 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1370 of 1420 🔗

What next, An illicit black market cuddle!

388682 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1371 of 1420 🔗

I just noticed something about Christopher Snowdon.

He likes arguing with imaginary stupid people. He takes the dumbest statements he can find, debunks them and then acts like he’s just won a game of chess against a grand master.

Christopher Snowdon

A good rebuttal to the braindead smily claims about the PCR test. I would only add that we’re now doing over 700,000 tests a day and getting 20,000 positives whereas before lockdown we were doing half as many tests and getting 60,000 positives. Go figure.

388711 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #1372 of 1420 🔗

He’s an irrelevant shit flinging monkey. The best thing that these mealy mouthed cowards can do is stay out of the fucking way.

388696 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1374 of 1420 🔗

Humiliation is part of a sacerdotal purification ritual. Abasement reinforces your commitment and there is a rite of passage (oh dear, as I wrote, the pun dawned; fearlessly, I shall embrace it!) and a congregation of the saved. Preterition and salvation/election. Sad to see. Of course faecal virus presence lasts longer so if you wanted to perpetuate something…but why not take a faecal sample rather than jamming stuff up bots. Cos they don’t trust the proleteriat not to substitute. Down the bastard rabbit hole or what.

388714 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #1375 of 1420 🔗

If it saves one life or gives me a chuckle, I’d like to see Professor Ferguson anally swabbed as a good example to the rest of the sheep. Of course he never would offer up his nether regions to science just as he never obeyed the rule forbidding crossing London to have a shag someone you fancy at her place.

388715 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to OKUK, 1, #1376 of 1420 🔗

Besides, his nether regions are too busy with the business of shagging his fancy piece. He hasn’t got time to offer them up for swabbing.

388779 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nymeria, #1377 of 1420 🔗

are you suggesting the esteemed professor is a practitioner of fudge-packing? a chutney ferret?

388699 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1378 of 1420 🔗

The next time I go to Tesco, I will be duct-taping 3 nappies around my face.

All those selfish twats who I am protecting that only wear one or two will be getting some pretty evil looks from me.

388750 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1379 of 1420 🔗

Two over each ear then swan about ignoring all instructions as if you can’t hear anything.

388693 Nobody2021, 7, #1380 of 1420 🔗

The only model I have time for is a calender. It does a good job at representing days and years.

Most other models I treat with suspicion particularly those that presume to predict the future from multi variable chaotic systems.

388697 Lord Sid, replying to Lord Sid, 29, #1381 of 1420 🔗

I have been sickened by the “look them in the eye”ads.To all the people who condone this mass hysteria,come and look my 10 year old grandson in the eye and tell him when this is going to end.Today he was sobbing his heart out,when my daughter asked why he was crying,he said it was because he wanted all this to end so he could go back to school and see his friends and go to see his grand dad.How many more young children are being affected this way.This so called shit show should end now.How many young people are there out there going through the same thing..

388700 ▶▶ Lord Sid, replying to Lord Sid, 6, #1382 of 1420 🔗

Sorry I said so called shit show.What I meant was just SHIT SHOW

388703 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lord Sid, 14, #1383 of 1420 🔗

How many young people are there out there going through the same thing.”


This (+ mask wearing) is institutionalized child abuse.

388710 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lord Sid, 3, #1384 of 1420 🔗

“Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.” Henry David Thoreau

388712 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lord Sid, 5, #1385 of 1420 🔗

Well said Lord Sid. It’s an appalling ad. If we were equally cynical we’d look them in the eye and say: “There’s a reason why they’re showing only your faces because most of you under 70 are obese. So why didn’t you slim down, to make sure you didn’t become rticiallymill when you caught Covid and avoid putting the lives of health workers at risk as you generate huge viral loads while in hospital?”. That’s more honest and less malevolent than the ad, not that I would say we should express such sentiments to people suffering from the virus.

388774 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to OKUK, #1386 of 1420 🔗

not that I would say we should express such sentiments to people suffering from the virus.

why not? why are we supposed to treat them with such reverence, crossing ourselves when we hear the Holy word ‘covid’ -we should tell these holy martyrs of the covid cult they are a bunch of self-pitying, attention seeking malingerers, who should stop wallowing around in bed, and get back to work? – as far as most ‘covid’ (ie, ordinary seasonal respiratory virus) sufferers go, this is not far from the truth anyway: I am sick of hearing them describe in solemn tones how dreadfully ill they/ their mother in law was, and then when you respectfully enquire, ‘was he in hospital?’ – it turns out no: – so basically they just had the flu/a bad cold

388726 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1387 of 1420 🔗


From https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/146733492

In common with most ideologically driven science denier types, the COVID ‘sceptics’ (lets humour them for a moment with that much-misused term) won’t be swayed by actual, real, facts. they’ve got their own alternative facts and don’t need anyone else’s reality-based ones, thank you very much. So, unless there are some remarkable, Damascene type conversions I think they’ll just continue until the whole thing blows over in, oh, I don’t know, a year or five, at which point they’ll find a way to claim they were right all along.

Is everything that sceptics say wrong? Discuss…

388729 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #1388 of 1420 🔗

I have principles so I don’t read the guardian.

388731 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1389 of 1420 🔗

I try and follow “read as much as possible from different sources and believe nothing unless you can back it up with your own experience”

But you’re right – the Guardian is bollocks, like most papers.

388733 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1390 of 1420 🔗

Me too , but i have a s*it list i don’t patronise, mostly msm, guardian, bbc, c4, mirror, the DM hasn’t quite made it yet god knows why.

388735 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1391 of 1420 🔗

Ah, “no platforming” in a way.

My sense is that it mostly won’t be outright lies in these rags, but, like politicians, the art of telling the truth – present information selectively, and which can’t be proven unequivocally false, in such a way as to support your point of view.

I suppose that some of us on here could be accused of the same thing. I’m not so sure. In my case, I said from early on – let’s see what happens with Sweden, and consider also the economic costs (crashing the economy kills quit a lot of people too – look them in the eyes…) and guess what?

388738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 1, #1392 of 1420 🔗

Media has become far to political. I guess its always been so, but the propaganda in the past didn’t need to be so blatant.

Plus of course before the internet governments found it much easier to control the narrative. Now its almost impossible to believe any source & quite difficult to verify anything.

But the BBC & guardian are proven liars, I stopped listening years ago.

388745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1393 of 1420 🔗

Everything’s too political now. We’ve even got a political ******* virus!

388763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hugh, #1394 of 1420 🔗

it’s not ‘no platforming’ – it’s choosing to switch off what I don’t like, what i consider pernicious and a waste of time. a big difference. others are perfectly free to give their time to it, if they decide it is a valuable use of it. I would strongly discourage them, but again, they are free to switch me off. It’s freedom of expression: not obligation to listen.

388732 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1395 of 1420 🔗

Unlike some people on here, I read quite a lot of the Guardian for years (as well as a number of other papers, and without necessarily agreeing with some things they said – gave me a chance of avoiding group think anyway), and I can pretty much guarantee that quite a lot of their “facts” are political.

388734 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 2, #1396 of 1420 🔗

I used to read & regularly comment on the guardian but it became to woke & censorial. It has become farcical.

388743 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, #1397 of 1420 🔗

Who was that columnist for them who got in trouble because she said that men were not women?

It is a farce. Utter nonsense to suggest it’s a crime to say that men should not go in women’s prisons/women’s toilets/women’s bathing areas/women’s refuges! *”She’s TERF!!!”)

388746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 1, #1398 of 1420 🔗

Can’t remember but I stopped reading it long before that. They literally made me transphobic, before all this nonsene I wouldn’t have cared who wore what or who wanted to be called whatever, but nature & natural process are sacred for me, objective truth must be defended..

388768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, #1399 of 1420 🔗

I think that’s the agenda of all these ‘woke’ identity politics: it is to make us hate each other, to turn us against each other. It’s completely Orwellian: FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, WAR IS PEACE – evil seems to adopt a mask of its opposite virtue

388744 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, #1400 of 1420 🔗

Incidentally how does Guardian become “Grauniad”?

388747 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, #1401 of 1420 🔗

not a clue

388749 ▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Hugh, 1, #1402 of 1420 🔗

Many years ago, the Guardian developed a reputation for misprints. I believe it was Private Eye who coined the name Grauniad.

388754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to richardw53, #1403 of 1420 🔗


388753 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1404 of 1420 🔗

We’ll certainly claim, or rather point out, that we were right all along, and if the Grauniads don’t accept it, they will end up in the bin with the flat earthers,

388897 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to captainbeefheart, #1405 of 1420 🔗

Whoever wrote this seems to think a sceptic is an individual. They might as well be asking “Is everything humans say wrong?”.

Since presumably they are human then they must also be saying everything that all others humans have said since time began.

388727 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1406 of 1420 🔗

Slow & steady comes last!

388728 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Anti_socialist, #1407 of 1420 🔗

DAMN YOU!!!! 🙂

388730 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #1408 of 1420 🔗


388737 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 2, #1409 of 1420 🔗

Rochdale had far higher covid rates? Rochdale also had lower consumption of fruit and vegetables compared to other towns in England the last I heard (admittedly a few years ago). Simple – look after your health and you’re less likely to die from a virus. We should absolutely follow Finland in adding vitamin D to food.

388739 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 1, #1410 of 1420 🔗

Eggs are one of a few foods that naturally contain vit D.

388742 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1411 of 1420 🔗

some fish as well (smells fishy?)

I have plenty of eggs and fish as well as vitamin D, zinc etc. supplements. Nothin doin cold/flu/virus wise since September (stopped me going to Trafalgar Sq!)

388748 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hugh, 3, #1412 of 1420 🔗

I’ve been taking vit C, D, zinc k2 & quercetin since covid19 lots of oily fish & 3 eggs a day but i’ve not had a cold or sniffle for 15yrs.

Only had flu once in 55yrs but it knocked me flat for 4 days.

388752 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1414 of 1420 🔗

And if you’ll believe that…

388756 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, #1415 of 1420 🔗

‘Not a lot of it about’

388757 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, #1416 of 1420 🔗

Beer flu tardism is the dumbest religion ever invented.

388758 Hattie, #1417 of 1420 🔗

https://rumble.com/embed/vankol/?pub=4 Dolores Cahill om mRNA vaccines.

388759 Anti_socialist, #1418 of 1420 🔗
388771 JHUNTZ, 1, #1419 of 1420 🔗

Covid UK: SAGE wants it to be compulsory to wear face masks outdoors | Daily Mail Online

I actually hope they do it. Let’s just see how far the British people can cower themselves to authority. I’ve got past the rage and anger stage i’m starting to enjoy this pyschological experiment as much as these SAGE creeps.


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