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388760 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 49, #1 of 1724 🔗

A young Dr. Vernon Coleman on ITV regional news – July 1981



Here is a young Dr. Vernon Coleman, better known to some as the “Old Man in a Chair”, on ATV Today (the then ITV regional news service for the midlands) in July 1981. Courtesy of the Media Archive for Central England (MACE).

Description: Dr. Vernon Coleman from Leamington Spa refuses to state the nature of his patients’ illnesses on sick notes. He maintains that illnesses should be confidential and that the notes could ruin a patient’s career. The Department of Health and Social Security, who pay sickness benefits, made a formal complaint and this afternoon Dr Coleman had to appear before a medical committee and was told that he faces a £1,000 fine if he continues to write ‘ill health’ on sick notes. Shots of Dr Vernon Coleman in his surgery and close up shot writing ‘ill health’ on sick note.

Letter from the Daily Telegraph 30th January 2021

Governing by Twitter

SIR – The attack by Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, on people “turning up at St Pancras Eurostar terminal with their skis” (report, January 28) shows how a small story – picked up from Twitter and amplified without verification – makes it to the Dispatch Box in the House of Commons.

My son was one of those at St Pancras. He was trying to get to his ski-teacher training course in Switzerland – which equips him with qualifications for a career. The tweet came from a train manager called Justin (no surname given), and because he posted a picture of ski equipment no one bothered to find out the truth.

This happened well before the latest restrictions but education was and is a legitimate reason for travel.

Are politicians now using government by Twitter, relying on fake news to justify their decisions?

Sophie Durlacher

London W14

389220 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 16, #2 of 1724 🔗

“… shows how a small story … amplified without verification…” – reminds me of PCR tests.

388762 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 27, #4 of 1724 🔗

Good afternoon everyone. Sorry to see that the great reopening didn’t happen

388808 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Judy Watson, 27, #5 of 1724 🔗

Me too, I was following the local city group on Telegram and as far as I can see, one hair salon opened. I must admit I wasn’t optimistic though, partly due to timing (weather’s not great, deaths are up, MSM fear factor ramped up to 11). The other differences I can see between #iapro / the rest of Europe are that they seemed to be led by businesses themselves whereas our movement was led by people wanting businesses to open. I understand also that in Italy etc the businesses had to open or literally starve, there was less of a safety net (not saying that ours is great for everyone but for a good few it seems to be enough).

388875 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fiona Walker, 113, #6 of 1724 🔗

We attempted to get something going in our town but the response was depressing to say the least. And, as you say, the Italians had other motivations which made their movement so much more effective in that they had the numbers. We simply did not. And if you are the only openly sceptical business in the town, it makes the authorities’ job all that more easy, as I have found to be the case recently.

Furthermore, I would like to defend small businesses here. There has been a lot of talk recently about these types of businesses lacking courage. And while I accept there are a lot who have been craven – like the ones in my own town who probably run their businesses as hobbies and don’t do it for the money so are not impacted in the way I am – there are a lot who perhaps don’t want to put their heads above the parapet and they wear their scepticism discreetly. Please don’t judge them harshly.

And there’s also the consequences for opening fully. As I mention above, I am the only openly sceptic business in our town. Sure enough, yesterday, plod did a recce of the (then) empty park. He could have seen it was empty from the gate. But he was clearly checking up on what we were up to by walking all the way round it. He even, get this, checked the fire escape of our building. I’m not sure what he was expecting to find: hoards of oldsters sitting there having a cup of tea perched on the steps. I found it all very sinister.

So while there are people saying we lack courage for not opening as normal, I would ask you and the common law adherents to consider several things: will it be you potentially locked up in a police station for several hours; will you end up with a police record; will your means of earning a living be stripped from you even more than it is now. And don’t forget we are living in a post-truth/post-reason era. I have never feared the police/authorites before, because I am a law-abiding decent person, but I sure as hell fear them now. And that consideration is probably uppermost in a lot of minds right now.

388931 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to kh1485, 34, #7 of 1724 🔗

A powerful narraative. It and others like it will form part of the dreadful history of how a free and independent ntion becme gradually enslaved and a force once generally admired became the instruments of oppression . Civilisation really is only a few microns thick..

389180 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 13, #8 of 1724 🔗

Exactly right. It’s easy to judge others from a position of safety yourself. The issue of numbers is always crucial for dissenters – if there are many then it is relatively safe to stand up and be counted but if there are few, those who do stand up will be hammered with the full force of the state.

There is prevailing and all-pervading cowardice in this country, but it is in those who are willing to let the state take away their freedom out of stupidly disproportionate fear of a disease, not in those who are willing to resist but fear the very real consequences of doing so.

That said, this mass failure of our culture and our people needs to be overcome somehow. The fight must go on, and rather than lashing out at those who are especially vulnerable to the state’s enforcement and rightly fear to put themselves on the chopping block, our anger should be focused on the perpetrators and those who willingly conform and obey. And we should support to the full extent of our ability any few who do stand up.

389204 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mark, 14, #9 of 1724 🔗

I agree.
And I suspect many will have been cowed by the zealousness of the police in going after people who don’t conform, not just issuing fines, but physically assaulting them. Too many have shown what bully-boys they are.

389212 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to LMS2, 16, #10 of 1724 🔗

“When we see people putting themselves or others in danger, we won’t waste time trying to reason with them.” (Ad on Talk Radio just now).
In other words, if we see someone trying to see what they’re doing by lowering their face masks for a moment because their glasses have steamed up, or just to get a breath of clean air, we won’t hesitate in wrestling them to the floor and handcuffing them. That’s not a complete over-reaction at all.

389472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to LMS2, #11 of 1724 🔗

What about blowing your nose?

389235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to LMS2, 5, #12 of 1724 🔗

Oh, I’m not “cowed” …

389412 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Mark, 9, #13 of 1724 🔗

safety in numbers is true. i only recently after many months [ lose track of time in lockdown crazy world time] met 2nice peolplewho already have a group going shopping without masks [ and run into a lot of abuse for it]
am just waiting for thier phone call so i can eagerly join them

389748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to sam s.j., 7, #14 of 1724 🔗

A lot of the activity of the state and other propagandists and manipulators is devoted directly to trying to keep dissenters feel alone and isolated. That’s as true of the coronapanic pushers as it is for the woke pc “no platformers” trying to exclude dissent from the public square.

390473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Mark, 1, #15 of 1724 🔗

yes, I remember how the metric martyrs were hounded by the authorities, but market traders who didn’t make a fuss andbut quietly continued to serve people in pounds and ounces were left alone.

389192 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 11, #16 of 1724 🔗

Glad to see you back, kh, and point taken about small businesses. Wish they could get together, though, snd be less ‘small’.

389201 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to kh1485, 8, #17 of 1724 🔗

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said.
I get the impression that plod and councils would be only too happy to remove trading licenses, prosecute or fine business owners. That they’d be starved of business rates later on won’t matter to them.
I do sympathise. It has to a vast majority, or none.

389713 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to kh1485, 2, #18 of 1724 🔗

Here in Southport, Birkdale village had a few independent shops open, card shop, antiques, a fireplace showroom etc, but Southport town centre dead, apart from the usual chain emporiums.. cold day tho!

389745 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to kh1485, 5, #19 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely – I do not blame any business for not opening yesterday; I visited 2 towns preparing to spend money in any that did risk it, but didn’t find any. Some places have found ways to operate online, others sell takeaway coffee/food which didn’t appeal to me yesterday as it was freezing and there were queues. I’m not on Telegram so not up to speed with such protest movements.
Sorry you had this unnerving experience. Scary times.

389751 ▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to kh1485, 10, #20 of 1724 🔗

I could not agree more with this:

“I have never feared the police/authorites before, because I am a law-abiding decent person, but I sure as hell fear them now. And that consideration is probably uppermost in a lot of minds right now.”

389304 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #21 of 1724 🔗

Good observation about European businesses doing it for themselves.
Communication is the main problem here – which of course was the idea!

388861 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #22 of 1724 🔗

It’s a shame. The bad weather and lack of a more coordinated action I suspect didn’t help. If someone like the Weatherspoons bloke decides to break ranks and open up, I reckon he’ll get others to follow.

If its in a major city like London or Birmingham, it should be cross sector – hospitality, retail, culture & heritage should all open on the same day, same time.

388986 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #23 of 1724 🔗

Problem is that licensed premises would lose their license.

389190 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #24 of 1724 🔗

Asking a lot. The state would not hesitate imo to destroy even a business of that size, overnight, and could do so, with local government and magistrate support, just by suspending their licences. After all its not as though doing so would have any economic impact at the moment.

Maybe if a group of large businesses were to do so together it might achieve something. Meantime the most useful thing people like the Wetherspoons owner can do is put serious amounts of money behind fighting the state and panicker propaganda campaigns

388898 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Judy Watson, 14, #25 of 1724 🔗

video to watch. really brave lady speaking correctly. please share this on, more people need to see this.

DrBruseScott Tweeted:
I think the @scotgov and @ScotGovFM should watch this video. This woman is quite correct. Very brave. It’s time to stop lockdown. MSP’s meet openly in government buildings and talk shop. Open the real shops. Double standards convinces nobody
@rowanwcroft @Albion_Rover @scojw https://twitter.com/DrBruceScott/status/1355610999181746182?s=20

388908 ▶▶ iane, replying to Judy Watson, -13, #26 of 1724 🔗

Quelle surprise; most shop owners are as pistol-whipped as the rest of our sheeple!

388933 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iane, 39, #27 of 1724 🔗

Before you judge others and make snarky points like this, are you in the same boat? It’s not that bloody easy. Not only with reference to the points I make above, but most business owners do not own their premises. One sniff of a police record and you would probably be out on your ear. I won’t take advice on courage from someone not going through the same thing.

388938 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 48, #28 of 1724 🔗

And another thing. I do not lack courage but whenever I have stood up against what I believe to be wrong and had what I thought was support, when I turned around wanting that support, guess where it was, nowhere to be bloody seen, that’s where.

388983 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to kh1485, 27, #29 of 1724 🔗


You are absolutely right. This kind of civil disobedience can only work if the support is massive. And business owners are quite right to be concerned about the repercussions you mention.

The only way to win this in the end is to keep putting the arguments across, writing to MPs, leafleting, etc. No matter how much of an uphill battle that seems.

Of course, I think most people here will award you personally an A+ for courage.

390435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #30 of 1724 🔗

What has writing to MPs achieved so far?

389029 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 15, #31 of 1724 🔗

Totally agree, its pointless businesses opening up against restrictions unless the community around them get out in numbers and support them. When the police arrive to harass a small business a large group of locals need to rock up and support the business. This requires some organisation and communication. They can’t send riot police to every open business.

389283 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 14, #32 of 1724 🔗

kh, you’ve shown such exemplary guts throughout this episode. I’m sure we (almost) all sympathise with you and admire your courage.
At the moment, other businesses are not falling in line but you are acting as the keeper of the flame, and that flame WILL grow into a blazing beacon of truth and light.

389652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, 6, #33 of 1724 🔗

Right. You need 80 pitchfork carrying patrons to have your back!

389228 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to iane, #34 of 1724 🔗

No surprise from you, predictably mindless.

389321 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iane, 3, #35 of 1724 🔗

So Mr Bigballs, what have you done to help reverse the situation?

389955 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to iane, #36 of 1724 🔗

Save your breath to cool your latte. Soya I presume?

388953 ▶▶ alw, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #37 of 1724 🔗

Two things about yesterday.

The weather was bloody awful and I’ve never seen so few people out and about in Hampstead even on a Christmas Day.

Leafleting on its own and using something like Telegram which 99% of the population don’t currently use were major contributors to the failure.

Next attempt should be professional.

389164 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to alw, 3, #38 of 1724 🔗

It’s need The Italian Job

390438 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to popo says, #39 of 1724 🔗

The traffic light system is a lot more complex than it was in The Italian Job days, with more than a million cameras watching your every move. You should have said no when all those cameras were being proposed for security reasons. That was a line of BS.

389053 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Judy Watson, #40 of 1724 🔗

Went into town to see if anyone was Open for Business but even the market was a shadow of its former self. Tragic!

389075 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #41 of 1724 🔗

I felt like posting to all those people who offered their support yesterday: “we’re here, where the hell are you?”

389191 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #42 of 1724 🔗

The message probably didn’t reach the wider public. If it wasn’t carried or mentioned in any of the mainstream media outlets, or for those not on Twitter or Facebook, it wouldn’t have got sufficient support. There aren’t enough public networks to get this information out.
Not to mention that many businesses will have permanently closed by now, so there’ll be no temporary opening.

389243 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Judy Watson, 8, #43 of 1724 🔗

This is just my take but I often wonder about things like the Great Reopening in that it is a ploy to get shops to do this, especially the smaller ones, so they could be heavily fined, licence removed, thus destroyed. Some of these “protest” groups have actually been factored into the plan, and are infiltrated and run as part of the narrative, in that they achieve precisely nothing other than create noise, and use the desperation of the people to create the illusion of rebellion, when in fact it does the opposite. Instead they are labelled as “Covidiots” “Anti-vaxxer” or “Conspiracy Theorist” or whatever dreary, predictable comments the MSM can drum up, to create more hate and divide amongst the people.

388764 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 23, #45 of 1724 🔗

Any report writer who doesn’t know the difference between “affect” and “effect” immediately loses my respect.

388822 ▶▶ Annie, replying to optocarol, #46 of 1724 🔗

‘militate’ and ‘mitigate’

388850 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, #47 of 1724 🔗

‘enervate’ and ‘energise’

388863 ▶▶ popo says, replying to optocarol, 1, #48 of 1724 🔗

‘renumeration’ and ‘remuneration’

388914 ▶▶ iane, replying to optocarol, #49 of 1724 🔗

Yes – but it is an easy typo to make.

388968 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to optocarol, #50 of 1724 🔗

efficient and effective

390440 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Hayes, #51 of 1724 🔗

Vibrant, resilient communities.

389006 ▶▶ WilliamC, replying to optocarol, 1, #52 of 1724 🔗

Invariably is almost invariably used incorrectly.

389042 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to optocarol, 7, #53 of 1724 🔗

loose instead of lose

389286 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to optocarol, 4, #54 of 1724 🔗

infer and imply (Grrrrrr! 🙂 )

389339 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to optocarol, 4, #55 of 1724 🔗

irregardless than, for all intensive purpose’s.

389473 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to optocarol, 2, #56 of 1724 🔗

‘Fairly unique’…

389515 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to optocarol, #57 of 1724 🔗


390442 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to stevie119, #58 of 1724 🔗


389559 ▶▶ mj, replying to optocarol, 5, #59 of 1724 🔗

“covid” and “dangerous virus”

390045 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to optocarol, 1, #60 of 1724 🔗

Their, they’re and there

390109 ▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Elisabeth, #61 of 1724 🔗

So comforting not to be the only one like me on here!

388765 Fingerache Philip, #62 of 1724 🔗

Officially placed 4th?

388766 Fingerache Philip, 1, #63 of 1724 🔗

Make that 5th.

388767 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #64 of 1724 🔗


388770 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #65 of 1724 🔗

Much more accurate.

388881 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #66 of 1724 🔗

Also a crash helmet for all those flailing tiktok arms

389124 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #67 of 1724 🔗

To be honest, an NHS hospital is the one place I probably would wear a mask – and I’d go for a Fauci Triple Mask job too. They’re almost as filthy as public loos.

389555 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Suet, 6, #68 of 1724 🔗

Sorry but sometimes public loos are cleaner than hospitals

389345 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #69 of 1724 🔗

See the link in the articles above to excellent piece on masks. Those advising government who have any kind of scientific qualification must be aware of the facts. Are they ‘aving a larf watching the sheeple go about with bits of grubby fabric glued to their faces?

388769 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 89, #70 of 1724 🔗

Hilton Valentine (The Animals):RIP.
Notice to all sheep and collaborators: Nobody lives forever no matter how many times you “sanitize”, social distance and what “strength” mask you wear.
Go out there and LIVE for as many years you have left.

388773 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 36, #71 of 1724 🔗

I’m doing that already.

Let the zombies rot in their sanitized hell for the rest of their miserable unlives or for all eternity, I don’t give a toss.

388783 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Annie, 133, #72 of 1724 🔗

But it’s not as simple as that is it. Live and let live.
We are the ones banned from cinemas, theatres, cafes, pubs, restaurants, museums, holidays, sitting on a park bench, seeing family, letting our kids go to school, letting them see friends and have parties and laugh, walking around the shops, going food shopping without either a lanyard or a very thick skin. For us. For our children.
If the restrictions ended tomorrow and morons wanted to stay at home and wear 25 layer and of masking over their face then fine. Let them.
But they are stopping us from living.

388805 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to danny, 13, #73 of 1724 🔗


388825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ituex, 38, #74 of 1724 🔗

Still. live as much as you can. You aren’t living in perpetual terror of a bogey, so you are already better off than they are.

390101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 2, #75 of 1724 🔗

Yes, they are scared of a fake pandemic, while we are concerned about what’s behind it

389184 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 2, #76 of 1724 🔗

Apart from the children

389373 ▶▶▶ Jane C in France, replying to Annie, 29, #77 of 1724 🔗

A friend of mine, Guardian reader, thinks it’s wonderful that a right-wing government should be making the protection of the vulnerable a priority. That ridiculous word “vulnerable,” which seems to apply only to people who might catch covid, is suddenly on everyone’s lips. It infuriates me. My husband has been in the local hospital since last Monday after smashing his hip on a patch of ice. On Tuesday he had a complete hip replacement. But now his temperature won’t go down and instead of getting out on Thursday he’s still there. All on his own in a room for two, Barton Fink corridor with blank doors as far as the eye can see, no doctors at the weekend only cleaners and dinner ladies, nurse gives him paracetamol and goes out again, and of course, no visitors. His mind is turning in a very dark direction. He has that tendency when things go wrong. He thinks he’s had an allergic reaction to the implant. He looks things up on the Internet and concludes he has all the symptoms. At one point he was imagining amputation and life in a wheelchair. And while they’re pondering his case he’s stuck. He’s supposed to be discharged tomorrow, but what if…All I can do is try to cheer him up on the phone. It would be a lot easier if I could visit him, but no, in order to protect vulnerable people other vulnerable people are left to fight their demons alone in a hospital room.

389620 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Jane C in France, 19, #78 of 1724 🔗

I am vulnerable and never wanted lockdowns. I was left for 10 weeks without help in March because of the government’s actions. Now I’m struggling to get a grocery delivery slot, so zero is being done to help many people. I hope your husband is able to come home tomorrow. Shame on them for the way they treat people.

390486 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #79 of 1724 🔗

Oh come on, being 50% dead isn’t that bad is it? :;)

388864 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 26, #80 of 1724 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

If they want to live in their sanitised and socially distanced bubble for the rest of their lives, let them. But let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Perhaps they can all move to Alpha Centauri.

388772 Annie, replying to Annie, 62, #81 of 1724 🔗

Consider the miraculous disappearance of flu. What do our experts here think of it?

Possible explanations:

  1. The Covvie bug is stronger than the flu bug, so if you’re going to get a respiratory illness, it’s going to be covvie.
  2. It’s impossible to tell the difference.
  3. Flu is being deliberately misdiagnosed as covvie.
  4. Universal incarceration stops flu, but not covvie.
  5. Zombies are terrified of covvie but not of other diseases, so it’s a good idea to label everything, from lethal cancers to ingrowing toenails (yes, I know thay are painful and nasty) as covvie.
  6. It’s all lies anyway.

Who is’t tnat can inform me?( Hamlet , Act 1, scene 1)

388778 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Annie, 66, #82 of 1724 🔗

Prof. Dolores Cahill says she’s sequenced numerous covid swabs and found them to be Influenza A or B. Remarkable how the Government can sequence when it wants to find a new strain to use against freedom and the economy, but isn’t sequencing to make sure that people aren’t really just getting flu as usual.

388785 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 1, #83 of 1724 🔗


388790 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 53, #84 of 1724 🔗

To my way of thinking SARS-Cov2 is this years flu virus, it may come out different in lab tests but in terms of human life and health there is typically one dominant respiratory virus in any one season and this year it is SARS-Cov2. The tragedy is that there has been so little done to identify why a small proportion of the people who get this virus have such a severe response when for so many it is much like a dose of flu.

Looking at Gruppenfuhrer Hancocks twitter list and just in the last day or so he has issued 22 tweets about vaccines and none about research in to SARS-Cov2 and none about treatments for the severe cases of Covid 19 disease. The failure to work on the severe effects that SARS-Cov2 can cause and the failure to develop effective treatment regimes for severe cases is a tragedy and an appalling failure by our ruling health junta. All the indications are that effective treatments are possible and could have been developed. But the megalomaniac in charge of our health sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts vaccine-vaccine-vaccine and the country descends further into madness.

388794 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #85 of 1724 🔗

small proportion of the people who get this virus have such a severe response when for so many it is much like a dose of flu.

This seems like an odd thing to say when flu is a killer disease. Around half a million people typically die of flu each year. In the winter of 1918/19 it killed many more people than World War Two.

388818 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #86 of 1724 🔗

Fair comment, I guess I was considering the way most people talk about flu rather than the actual stats. So people will often say oh I just had a bit of flu last week but I’m fine now and think little of it.

388827 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #87 of 1724 🔗

But is this a ‘small proportion’ of the people who get flu?

388971 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 2, #88 of 1724 🔗

The IFR for flu is generally 0.1%.

388853 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #89 of 1724 🔗

Yes Steve you are correct, but the point people are making I think is that we have known that flu is potentially fatal for centuries even if we called it something different like” the gripe” but we have never previously destroyed our economy , children’s education , businesses ,other medical treatment etc in reaction to it .
And it is not just flu that is a killer of , predominantly, the poor, the frail and the elderly, but just exposure to cold weather or climate is bad. The Lancet, about 4 years ago published a paper on the mortality, globally, arising from either moderate cold or moderate heat (in the context of the debate on climate change effects). Far above all other effects was that of moderate cold , greater than that of extreme cold or extreme heat surprisingly. So Govts that are destroying cheap heating (as Boris is) are fuelling (no pun intended ) a future rise in fatalities, totally avoidable, but not avoided, indeed deliberate .
So, in conclusion, the reaction to the Covid problem is unique, it does not happen with “normal” flu, it does not happen with the known winter deaths of the poor and elderly so something needs explaining. That is what people on this website want to know.

389338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, 4, #90 of 1724 🔗

It isn’t about a virus. QED

388943 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #91 of 1724 🔗

The half a million is little more than a guesstimate. If we tracked and recorded flu like we have sars-cov-2 then the flu numbers would likely be far higher.

388975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #92 of 1724 🔗

They would definitely be much higher.

389351 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #93 of 1724 🔗

“But the megalomaniac in charge of our health sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts vaccine-vaccine-vaccine and the country descends further into madness.” All that’s true, but the vaccine subtext has shifted sharply, meaning that their predicted inability to deal with (as yet undiscovered) future variants means that we should expect the restrictions to continue indefinitely. Anyone else would be seeing this as a cast-iron justification for putting more resources into treatment options, but not our political leadership, for some reason.

388791 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 19, #94 of 1724 🔗

All bar 4 I would say.

There’s stacks of it in Hamlet:

Though this be madness, yet there is method in’t.

God hath given you one face, and you make yourself another

Madness in great ones must not unwatched go

To be honest, as this world goes, is to be one man picked out of ten thousand

I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself king of infinite space

It is not, nor it cannot, come to good, But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue

If your mind dislike anything obey it

And most appositely:

This above all: to thine own self be true,

And it must follow, as the night the day,

Thou canst not then be false to any man

But the Shakespeare quote that keeps occurring to me is from Lear. Every day I wake up and think this shitshow can’t get any worse, I recall this:

And worse I may be yet: the worst is not

So long as we can say ‘This is the worst

389550 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 5, #95 of 1724 🔗

How about this from Measure For Measure,referring to Matt Hancock
“But man, proud man, Dress’d in a little brief authority,Most ignorant of what he’s most assur’d—His glassy essence—like an angry apePlays such fantastic tricks before high heavenAs makes the angels weep;”

389931 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 1, #96 of 1724 🔗

Yes, like Lear ; ‘A dog’s obeyed in office’.

I’ve always had a deep respect for Measure for Measure , and found it deeply moving, especially the ending. SAGE and Angelo have parallels.

The other quote I always think about today: ‘Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale.’ (Spoken by Sir Toby, no less.)

388807 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Annie, 4, #97 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely, definitely no.3.
Without question.

388883 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 3, #99 of 1724 🔗

The bat cold spreads like its cold siblings so it is not surprising it is better at knocking off 82 year olds
However flu will have the last laugh as T-cell cross recognition is a thing with Coronaviruses

388939 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 6, #100 of 1724 🔗

There are virtually no symptomatic differences between Covid and Flu – they can only be told apart by testing. I don’t trust any PCR test run for much more than 25 cycles as flu patients could easily have tiny amounts of SARs-CoV-2 viral particles in their noses and throats too. That leaves antibody tests: the ones done for SARs-CoV-2 show low levels in the general population; has any similar widescale sampled serological testing been done for Influenza A and B? Might explain a few things.

388994 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Annie, 3, #101 of 1724 🔗

Certainly not 4. It’s biologically illiterate. It is like claiming that red squirrels have been driven out by increased pest control, introduced to tackle the greys but sadly ineffective against them.

Actually reds are driven out by greys. Human activity (after introduction of the greys) is irrelevant.

The difference is that it is possible to kill squirrels. Shooting the little covids with a twelve bore is less effective.

389109 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Annie, 14, #102 of 1724 🔗

I’ve woken this morning to discover I may have asymptomatic flu.

I will of course ensure that I self isolate with plenty of ‘medicinal’ fluids.

Can anyone point me in the direction of my local flu testing centre and a reasonably priced off licence, please?

389139 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Annie, 2, #103 of 1724 🔗

To be fair on those who are picked up for minimising the seriousness of flu, people will say ‘I had flu last week’ when they had a cold. There is a lot of imprecision around ‘flu’ as a concept. It continues to hold mysteries.

A very interesting article in BioMedCentral Virology Journal on The Epidemiology Of Influenza. The relationship with VitD and latitude is also covered. Worth checking out the early C20th methods for transmission research if nothing else.

It’s a review/update on British epidemiologist, Edgar Hope-Simpson’s search for a parsimonious explanation in his study: The transmission of epidemic influenza (1992). Very interesting questions are asked. Spot the enigmatic pulled study claiming flu provoked by VitD suppression among other things.

Thanks to @Nessimersion for pointing to EHS.


389156 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Annie, 2, #104 of 1724 🔗

Let’s say you are driving to Manchester from London. In the old days you would have gone through Birmingham (let’s say). Well, what happened to your trip to Bimingham? It’s been subsumed in the longer trip to Manchester. So the trip to Birmingham has disappeared.

And indeed what is the result of all those flu vaccinations? Were they not intended to get rid of flu? Well, they’ve worked. All those trips to Birmingham (resulting in a brief but nasty stay) are now part of longer journeys to Manchester resulting unfortunately in the final journey’s end. But at least you didn’t stop in Birmingham.

PS Nothing wrong with Birmingham, it’s just an analogy!

389161 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Annie, 2, #105 of 1724 🔗

I go with number 5, because this is the impression that I get from lots of people. The mere mention of the word sends them running and hiding under the nearest bush. I have asked why they think that it is so much worse than flu but have not got any coherent answer.

389624 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 1, #106 of 1724 🔗

The vicar’s husband today was trying to convince me that masks and distancing had banished the flu because of something he’s read. I told him flu had vanished in Sweden too and dominant viruses can drive out others.

390450 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #107 of 1724 🔗

I was going with numbers 2, 3 and 5 but on second thoughts, number 6 is all you need.

388775 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 55, #108 of 1724 🔗

Fake news from the DM


Top comment: “Pardon. They not rioting due to vaccines, but to the restrictions. Everybody has had enough of lockdown.”

388824 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to this is my username, 23, #109 of 1724 🔗

A very clever headline so they can deny lying.There was a furious backlash against what the EU did in Northern Ireland and there is rioting across Europe.They are not connected.
Good to see the readers of the DM calling them out.
This is what we are up against.Institutional lying from the Government and Media

388776 danny, replying to danny, 33, #110 of 1724 🔗

Disappointing to see the great reopening amount to nothing, but it was never gonna happen as unlike Italy, it was entirely boycotted by the MSM.
No business is going to risk fines on top of their already crippled situation by being the only one to open. It worked in Italy purely through strength in numbers. I spoke to many people over the last few days and nobody had ever heard of it, nor to be honest had they heard of the Italy uprising, the protests and riots across the continent or any dissent at all.
A family member had heard of Macron denouncing the efficacy of the vaccine but immediately told me proudly this was because the French were jealous of the UK vaccine programme. Exhausting.
Until the media story changes, NOTHING will change.

388786 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to danny, 30, #111 of 1724 🔗

I disagree that the media need to get behind it. The issue is furlough buying compliance of the population. If this safety net was taken away we would start to see visible resistance and anger forming. Until furlough is stopped I suspect nothing will change.

388831 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #112 of 1724 🔗

Yes spot on. UBI or Furlough. The Hindoo’s magic money machine. Take that away and you have civil unrest.

388832 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 11, #113 of 1724 🔗

And Fishi knows that all right, even if he’s incapable of adding two and two in pounds and pence.

389822 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #114 of 1724 🔗

The whole thing c/would never ever have happened, if governments still had to pay interest and central banks weren’t allowed to buy their bonds.
As always, this will end in an hyperinflation induced bankruptcy and a currency reform, but until then, the tap remains open, bribes can be paid and lockdowns and coercion will continue.

388777 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 10, #115 of 1724 🔗

I save lives by not killing people.

388781 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PatrickF, 4, #116 of 1724 🔗

Granny saver.

388782 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #117 of 1724 🔗

…who wear masks.

388780 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 66, #118 of 1724 🔗

Apologies to all, looks like lockdown will never end until.

“Everyone aged 50 and over is vaccinated”

not going to happen, because i’m never having the poison.

388784 ▶▶ danny, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #119 of 1724 🔗

So selfish. I’m in the next bracket below that in my 40s. Never having it either. Think we might end up sharing a hotel cell. I’ll bring the snacks?

388988 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 11, #120 of 1724 🔗

That would be me also..Ill bring the game Risk..

388787 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #121 of 1724 🔗

I was emailed an offer of the jab, last week, (which I’m not going to take). NHS logo, badly written and sent from Ann on Outlook!
I ‘ve asked Ann to prove this is legit. No reply.

388810 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to PatrickF, 12, #122 of 1724 🔗

It’s fake, loads of these going round. The NHS will write to you or your surgery will text.

388829 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fiona Walker, 18, #123 of 1724 🔗

Yes you get first a text. Then the letter arrives. I ignored both. Not ingesting poison when my immune system in 99.7% effective and I exercise every day. What will the poison do? Take it to 99.71%? Or make me ill and unable to work or function, counted as a ‘success’ by Pfizer in their stats.

388837 ▶▶▶ hilarynw, replying to PatrickF, 16, #124 of 1724 🔗

I received an email from the NHS yesterday offering me a jab – looked pretty official with a long registration number etc. Only problem is that although I do have a flat in Scotland, I am resident in Belgium, don’t have an NHS number and have never visited an NHS doctor!

Lots of scams out there!

389528 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to PatrickF, 5, #125 of 1724 🔗

I’ve offered to give Ann a jab but, also,no reply.

388793 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #126 of 1724 🔗

Me neither

388888 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 28, #127 of 1724 🔗

I was 50 last May and thanks to covid bollocks I have missed a whole year. So I am really 49. They can stick their snake-oil where the sun don’t shine.

388999 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Two-Six, 9, #128 of 1724 🔗

Then again, as long as this disastrous nonsense persists, you won’t be getting any older.

388901 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 37, #129 of 1724 🔗

If a man in a dress can self identify as a woman then I can identify as a 25 year old

389159 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #130 of 1724 🔗

Your selfishness typifies this situation. You may as well go outside with a cleaver and start chopping up grannies.

I turn 50 in May and think the best present you could all give me is to hurry the fuck up and get juiced up so my chances of dying from this dreadful disease and its lemsipesque remedies are dramatically reduced.

Don’t pay any attention to conspiracy theories concerning deaths and ADRs from jabs – Norway, who the fuck are they? Gibralta? Don’t make me laugh, my compost heap is bigger than that rock. Italy don’t even bovver counting them they’re so few.

Do your duty. Every life matters, especially mine.

389518 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, #131 of 1724 🔗

I’m with you comrade!

388788 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 74, #132 of 1724 🔗

Referring to deaths resulting from the responses to the coronavirus as “indirect” (as the government does) or as “collateral damage” (as this edition of LS does) is misleading at best. These deaths are not unavoidable, unforeseeable, unintended, regrettable consequences of a necessary and well intentioned policy response.

On 10 April 2020 at the Coronavirus Daily Update Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, admitted that the government had not made any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures. This was an admission that the government had adopted an irrational, irresponsible, incompetent approach to policy-making on this issue.

The government has, at best, been wilfully blind when it comes to the harms it has been willing to inflict upon the people in the name of combating this virus. It was obvious in March that the government’s approach would cause more harm than the virus ever could. The government has produced a series of assessments of what it calls both direct and indirect deaths as a result of the virus.

The first of these was dated 8 April 2020 – two days before Matt Hancock’s admission. That assessment only came to public attention in May after it was mentioned in evidence to a House of Commons Select Committee. This first assessment included far more “indirect” deaths than the latest assessment (approximately double). This is hardly surprising. These assessed “indirect” deaths are a damning indictment of the government. The pressure to minimise must be overwhelming.

The number of so called indirect deaths is the number of people the government has chosen to kill. Many of those deaths will be of people who had many years, decades, even whole life times ahead of them. The government has chosen to sacrifice those lives in a Quixotic campaign to control a virus that results in a disease mortality that mirrors all cause mortality, with average age of death exceeding life expectancy.

It is as though one presented government ministers with the trolley thought experiment and they chose to sacrifice the many to save one.

When this madness is over, there will be an inquiry. At that inquiry, doubtless these government assessments will be used as evidence. They are surely damning, but they seriously under-estimate the harm the government has inflicted. Independent researchers ought to be examining this issue now, preparing the case for the day when that inevitable inquiry is established.

It is essential that those who have inflicted these “indirect” deaths are held to account so as to ensure that the lunacy is never repeated. A Nuremberg Tribunal moment is needed. Policy-makers of the future should be in no doubt that sacrificing people in order to pretend (to themselves?) to be able to control a virus is not an option.

388800 ▶▶ Paul B, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #133 of 1724 🔗

I was wondering about this, the only state lives lost in the opening piece. Surely a life lost to cancer at 30 isn’t the same as one to Covid at 82.5. Where’s the direct QALY cost benefit?

388811 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Paul B, 11, #134 of 1724 🔗

It’s only mentioned at the end for deaths due to economic recession, something like 1.3million qualys. At most the number for current death toll ‘with’ COVID will be 100,000 due to age of deceased. So secondary years lost is massively more.

388826 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ituex, 11, #135 of 1724 🔗

These are good points. LD deaths and suffering may last years. Add in the economic carnage. Burning down the village does not seem to be an intelligent response to a virus.

389226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 2, #136 of 1724 🔗

The same plot in the movie “outbreak” with Dustin Hoffman & Morgan Freeman. The difference being there was a deadly virus to defeat.

388879 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to ituex, 13, #137 of 1724 🔗

Don’t forget thaf a certain nember of SAGE tried to suggest last week that all the victims of covid would have lived another 10 years, when he made the statement that they had lost 1 million qualys.

Might give an insight into their modelling comparison.

388916 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #138 of 1724 🔗

It’s the methuselah model, consisting of 900 random number generators, the output of each is added together, add the year, divide by ‘e’, multiply by ‘pi’, subtract Planck constant, raise to the power ‘i’, take the 4th root add the first number you think of, all raised to the power of the Hubble constant. This is all run on a ZX spectrum in basic.

388952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #139 of 1724 🔗

The victims could have spent another 10 years drooling in a care home bed or being in and out of ICU. As most Covvictims really die of their many comorbidities and the average care home “stay” is 23 months this seems unlikely taken as a whole.

388814 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul B, 19, #140 of 1724 🔗

Not only should the calculation be made in terms of QALYs, but the calculation should have been done prior to making the policy decision. This is how any rational, responsible, competent policy-maker would have approach the problem; it is exactly what the government has consistently chosen not to do. The legislation for lockdown version three explicitly has no impact assessment.

389142 ▶▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #141 of 1724 🔗

And there has of course been a very deliberate muddying of the waters right from the start regarding responsibility for decisions taken. Only following the science, advisory advice only, different thoughts leaked in the media to see response etc different advisory committees quoted etc.

389491 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #142 of 1724 🔗

Even if you don’t quality-adjust, the simple numerical life years lost equation is surely obvious to anyone with an iota of insight.
The 20-something suicidee v the 82yo with a PCR positive in the 28 days proir to death.

388846 ▶▶▶ hilarynw, replying to Paul B, 8, #143 of 1724 🔗

Mention QALYs (which after all the only way that NHS treatments can be shared out) gets you a label of being uncaring and wishing to see older people dead. The argument goes that the average age of death is approximately 81 and that of Covid 82 (can’t remember exactly) but what is to say that the person who died at 82 didn’t have another 10 years of life in them! This is how Lord Sumption got into ‘trouble’. It’s very difficult to counter these rather circular, emotional arguments in this very heated period we live in.

388957 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to hilarynw, 6, #144 of 1724 🔗

According to the ONS the average life expectancy of an 82 yr old man is 7 years. (For women 8.5 yrs but they are only half as affected by Covid than men.) 10 seems a stretch in which case. Also you would need to look at the average life expectancy of an 82 yr old man with 2+ comorbidities. This would not be 7 years. The covvictims are not all hale and hearty elderly.

388934 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #145 of 1724 🔗

But how did the morons at sage get to a number of people SAVED? This has to be another model? Are you saying you have definite proof that lockdowns stopped someone catching the virus? Oh now wait. I see it. You said 250,000 people would die, 101,000 have died so therefore you have saved 149,000. Hahahahahaha. You cannot be fucking serious. You cannot say the over 100k deaths are offset by your savings!! With proper medical care NONE of those people would have died. It like you personally have put a gun to their head and shot them.

388941 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Spikedee1, 12, #146 of 1724 🔗

The answer to all these sorts of questions is always Sweden.

389210 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #147 of 1724 🔗

I’d have more faith in this whole fiasco if Professor Ferguson had just said “I’ve been all over this 18 year old model” and left it at that.

389445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jez Hewitt, #148 of 1724 🔗

The flesh is weak kinda thang.

389013 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #149 of 1724 🔗
389089 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basileus, 2, #150 of 1724 🔗

Which can be usefully compared (as I mentioned in my post) with the assessment dated 8 April 2020 (although it wasn’t published until June), which estimates twice as many “indirect” deaths and that’s just from lockdown version one.


389133 ▶▶ Teebs, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #151 of 1724 🔗

Even if the government figures are accepted at face value: that 100,000 died “of” rather than “with” covid, and even if it then accepted that without the lockdowns, this could be double, by saying that over 100,000 will die as collateral damage, shows, on the best analysis and accepting all government data at face value: nil gain. Same final tally.

This is the at-face result. Accepting everything the government says: that they do not over-estimate deaths from covid, and they do not under-estimate the collateral damage. This is their BEST position.

And notice it was released on Friday, when governments try to bury bad news.

Analysis has not even started yet on these numbers. Objective analysis and comparisons with the rest of the world will be lovely.

388789 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 154, #152 of 1724 🔗

The most disturbing part of all this for me is how well people have adjusted. My peers are not in the slightest bit bothered that we have had to order saturday night food outside of a premises with a mask on (them not me). Nor are they bothered that every time we meet up we are breaking the law. Nor are they bothered that any form of socialising has been shut for the best part of a year. Nor are they bothered that barriers to travel are propping up everywhere. Nor are they bothered about the vaccine.

They simply don’t give a shit. They think that somehow the measures are justified and somehow things will just go back to normal. They have no idea of the suffering going on around them. They have no idea of any alternative facts to that of the mainstream media. I am past the point of rage and frustration and I am at sheer apathy. If no one around me can recognise this madness for what it is then what can you do and what is the point in getting angry about it?

388792 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to JHUNTZ, 44, #153 of 1724 🔗

I send a friend anti lockdown stats, opinions, essays etc. Reply “not interested”

388795 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to PatrickF, 41, #154 of 1724 🔗

I have on various occassions shared my opinion, only to meet the following week and realise either they have taken nothing in or disregarded what I said. I no longer make my opinion heard.

388799 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 21, #155 of 1724 🔗

Been there, done that.

388804 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul B, replying to this is my username, 27, #156 of 1724 🔗

I find this difficult every time, and it’s impossible to prove either way I’d guess. Say we do go back to 2019 normal, was that because so many made a fuss and stood out, would life have reverted if 100% of people went along with it?

I’ll take comfort in standing up for my rights (and frankly those much worse off than I), enduring the torture of fighting back this last year and the toll it’s taken on me, because it was right, not because it was easy.

I’ll just have to live with not knowing if it was needed.

388809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Paul B, 27, #157 of 1724 🔗

Resist is all we could ever do. What concerns me most is that people will be happy if they get a bit of the old normal back – they’ll settle for that, such has the Overton Window been shifted.

388858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 9, #158 of 1724 🔗

It only took 10 months and here we are. Some were even less to accept it.

388904 ▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to PatrickF, 18, #159 of 1724 🔗

I’m surprised your friend hasn’t un-friended you. That said a simple “not interested” suggests someone shutting themselves off from the outside world as their only means to mentally cope; prima facie evidence that your friend has an undiagnosed mental health problem. Suggest they see* a doctor.

Obviously they can’t SEE a doctor, but if they are lucky they might get a telephone consultation.

388918 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 38, #160 of 1724 🔗

“Not interested” is quite common among “clever” people of my acquaintance

My diagnosis – they are in denial, or resent the sacrifices made and desperately want them not to have been in vain

389146 ▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to PatrickF, 4, #161 of 1724 🔗

Makes a change from ‘mumbo jumbo’ –

388812 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #162 of 1724 🔗

Nailed it.

388813 ▶▶ ituex, replying to JHUNTZ, 53, #163 of 1724 🔗

My 22year old student son asked me if I thought things would ever get back to normal, we talked about it for a while and his conclusion was that as long as it gets back to the reduced restrictions we had in the summer he would be OK. I wanted to cry.

388823 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ituex, 24, #164 of 1724 🔗

Keep at him. Don’t let him be brainwashed. Listen to his opinions and then destroy them with facts one by one. Add in the emotion of building a firm, mortgaging your life to make it work, then having it all wiped away, ruined financially and leaving the owner in a depression so deep he kills himself.

388835 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to FerdIII, 18, #165 of 1724 🔗

Is it worth it though?

For me I will never accept the new normal so I will be forever be dissapointed, but if others can fully accept it then in a way I envy them.

388845 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to JHUNTZ, 78, #166 of 1724 🔗

I too envy those who can accept it. Those like my husband. He’s a sceptic, but he just gets on with his life, which has not been affected apart from the inability to go abroad.
In contrast, my life has been totally destroyed by this cr*p. Everything that gave it colour and vibrancy has been taken away so it is deeply personal. And the strain it is having on me is immense. I’d love to just accept it, move on to doing different things, but everything I’ve thought of doing to replace what I have lost, has just not been possibly.
Added to that, the parallels with Nazi Germany in the 1930s is just too strong. Maybe that it what makes it so difficult. I can see but cannot see what to do to stop it.

388876 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Felice, 20, #167 of 1724 🔗

I’m in the same situation, my husband just gets on with life, he is starting to get upset with it more this year as that’s another holiday cancelled and it wasn’t leaving the country, he celebrates his 60th shortly and we would have loved to have booked a hall and given him a party with all his friends and family, now that’s cancelled but he still carries on. I do envy him that and I really hope his optimism continues.

389738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Felice, 2, #168 of 1724 🔗

There may not be a lot that we as individuals can do, other than to resist where we can and absolutely no voluntary testing or vaccines.

The new normal will be a very slippery animal and will be continually evolving into something that is always less tolerable.

389583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #169 of 1724 🔗

I agree. I’ve often thought I would be much better off if I can accept the situation and adopt the ‘it is what it is’ mindest of many people I know but I just can’t. Knowing how utterly unnecessary lockdowns and the majority of measures have been keeps gnawing away at me.

388851 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 65, #170 of 1724 🔗

Boiling frog effect.
If your friends had been ordered to live like this a year ago they would have been on the streets protesting,but because the restrictions are made Piecemeal and the hope of normality is just over the horizon but never reachable they have been conditioned to accept the new normal.
Remember we are governed by behavioural psychologists now.

388869 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #171 of 1724 🔗

Yes, it’s been remarkably effective and as you say they are ready to accept their newnormal.

389307 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #172 of 1724 🔗

Unfortunately, those people are comforted by the promise that things will return back to how they were. Little have they noticed that the carrot is on a stick that that grows with the lies like Pinocchio’s nose.

388870 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHUNTZ, 33, #173 of 1724 🔗

I am witnessing the same. My last friend on Facebook that I haven’t put to ‘sleep’ for 30 days started a post of, ” do you remember when we could go………? ” It’s as if they’ve accepted being imprisoned and they have sleep walked into the jail their government put them in and none of them have woke up properly or are even that bothered that to do any of the things they could do are ALL now illegal.
One mentioned the beach which is 16 Miles from them and it is now forbidden as they don’t live in that council area, why don’t they just go?

390478 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Just about sane, #174 of 1724 🔗

all a fairly predictable consequence of PASS.

388895 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #175 of 1724 🔗

If I had a penny for every time a close friend of family member has said either exactly that phrase or something slightly different that means the same thing…I would have about £1.23 or something like that. Which is quite a lot.

388910 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #176 of 1724 🔗

It’s like Stockholm Syndrome isn’t it?

Lord knows what they will be like if and when we manage to get back to how it all was back in January 2020.

I have pretty much given up on many people I know, they’re not interested and trying to reason with them is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

388921 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #177 of 1724 🔗

Stockholm syndrome needs renaming, China syndrome is already taken for nuclear meltdown.

389645 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to p02099003, 5, #178 of 1724 🔗

Exactly what I was thinking. Stockholm Syndrome is most definitely inappropriate in both ways. We need a new name to mark the disgusting behaviour. London syndrome maybe, but Whitty Syndrome might be better. Immortalise the bastard’s name.

390479 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bart Simpson, #179 of 1724 🔗

I understand the king of Sweden has it!

388912 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JHUNTZ, 26, #180 of 1724 🔗

I wish I could not feel angry – my anger grows every minute of every day

389129 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CGL, 10, #181 of 1724 🔗

It was making me miserable. I’ve had to try let go but it’s bubbling underneath alright.

389646 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #182 of 1724 🔗

Yes, strange; I have learned to “allow” myself a slow simmer only, as I don’t want it to damage my health, but equally I want to hold on to the memory of the evil that has been perpetrated upon us.

388992 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to JHUNTZ, 40, #183 of 1724 🔗

I have been told by one of my best friends that he can’t talk to me as his wife realised I’m a sceptic and its not right for him to be a friend with a anti carer,granny killer,selfish,covidiot ,science denier. I have known him for 26 years..

389470 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #184 of 1724 🔗

He’s a prisoner of his own marriage! Probably a lot of it about right now.

390089 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #185 of 1724 🔗

Let him go, it’s not worth the hassle.

390482 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Thomas_E, #186 of 1724 🔗

aye, along with Prof Carl Heneghan who O’Brien won’t debate

389020 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #187 of 1724 🔗

I can’t remember exactly when I stopped caring.
Humanity and the future are lost.

389034 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #188 of 1724 🔗

Most of my attempts to nudge people to open their eyes to the dire circumstances under which we are ‘living’ are swallowed up in a black hole of denial. Almost no replies. Exceptions mostly like “please stop sending emails to me” and “I have my own sources of information”.

I think it is better to work anonymously using stickers, leaflets, pamphlets &c. The various stickers I have had on my car (since May) have elicited comments on several occasions, obviously nowhere near as many as I would have wished, but they will have been seen by scores of other people.

389252 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #189 of 1724 🔗

NICI: No interest, curiosity or imagination.

389369 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #190 of 1724 🔗

I understand it is common among prisoners to get used to being in prison and long term prisoners don’t want to be released. People who have been in prison a long time have difficulty adapting to freedom after being released. If long term restrictions are in place a long time, the government hopes people will see these restrictions as totally normal and get used to them. It would be interesting what would happen if these restrictions were lifted completely at once. Would people be able to adapt. Would people be so used to restrictions, would they find it difficult to do things such as having visitors in their house.

389499 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ianric, 4, #191 of 1724 🔗

It is an interesting point reminds me of brooks from Shawkshank redemption. Will they need to be told to take off their mask like he was told to take a piss.

389463 ▶▶ Alpine, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #192 of 1724 🔗

I agree JHUNTZ. Most of my colleagues are the same. Many of them are trained/training in psychotherapy (I should say ‘training’ because it’s online, so wft are they actually training in??).
I’ve recently had the realisation that these colleagues don’t believe in anything.
They peddle the same unthinking and unfeeling rubbish they hear elsewhere. No critical perspectives, no rudder, no gut, no mind. Empty.
I’ve no idea from what place they live their lives. Their agency is like a deflated balloon.
When one of them asked me this week how I spent my spare time, and I said ‘meeting up with friends’, his response was ‘oh, in your bubble?’
Yeah, if the only way to conceive people socialising is to think of it in that odius term bubble, then yeah. I just said ‘yeah, one of my 15-20 bubbles’.
These people scare me.

389508 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alpine, 4, #193 of 1724 🔗

I have no idea how they’ve adjusted to using that term so easily. I have no idea what it means and have no desire to find out. As you say vacuous individuals, empty of orginality.

390484 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JHUNTZ, #194 of 1724 🔗

bubble wrap – the government is putting everyone in it, don’t you know – for their own safety of course…

389714 ▶▶ Mark Pulsford, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #195 of 1724 🔗

I’m sick and tired of hearing about people having a good lockdown.

389831 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Mark Pulsford, 4, #196 of 1724 🔗

Charles Walker said that in one of his recent speeches – good man

390094 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark Pulsford, 1, #197 of 1724 🔗

All good lockdowns come to an end.

390485 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Mark Pulsford, #198 of 1724 🔗

That fellow in the original Dunkirk film (played by Richard Attenborough) who was having a good war and said it’s all a phoney anyway. And got a right ticking off from someone for whom it was all too real. I suppose we will be having our own battle of Britain soon enough (or at any rate millions of people who have been relatively comfortable off so far may get a good deal less comfortable).

390646 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to JHUNTZ, #199 of 1724 🔗

Exactly my experience except i refuse to be silent. I am persona non grata with ‘friends’ now

388796 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 23, #200 of 1724 🔗

So nothing about the Great Re-opening ?
Why not create an interactive dossier here of the people who are responsible for this farce ? locations, contact details and details of their financial interests. There will be hundreds of criminals/nurembourg style trials but the top 5 for now are obviously – johnson, hancock, whitty, valance and ferguson. These reptiles need to know they will not have the opportunity to rest easy on national honours for the rest of their miserable lives.

388821 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to nickbowes, 12, #201 of 1724 🔗

O’Brien, Sturgeon, Starmer….anyone who wanted a ‘harder LD’ when evidence and common sense says that LDs make everything much much worse from the way a virus interacts with our immune systems, to the economic-mental and physical destruction we are now living through.

388874 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to nickbowes, 11, #202 of 1724 🔗

I’d love to see a list of people – cronies probably – who are benefitting from all these billions of pounds.
Contracts for testing centres, the makers of testing kits, the suppliers of PPE, laboratory owners, connections to big pharma. And on and on.
Has anyone been keeping a file I wonder.

389099 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to bluemoon, 2, #203 of 1724 🔗

Zoe Harcombe has a good feature on this. You should be able to find it on her website.

389488 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #204 of 1724 🔗

Someone has already mapped them out. (Something)Kitty I think. Somene here will have the link. It’s a big and deep trough!

389482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nickbowes, #205 of 1724 🔗

The actual forum would work better for that.

388797 epythymy, 88, #206 of 1724 🔗

I’d rather have the blood of 82 year olds with significant comorbidities on my hands dying of an unstoppable virus than the blood of young people dying of suicide and preventable diseases. Lockdown fanatics forget there is always a balance. You can’t have EVERYTHING. It’s one or the other, not both (or neither in this case).

388798 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 27, #207 of 1724 🔗

Neil fucking O’Brien is rocketing up the list.

388820 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mattghg, 9, #208 of 1724 🔗

Right out of 1984 that knob gobbling arseling. A know nothing MP – so what is his game? Notoriety, fame, ally himself to (fake) science? Re-election? Maybe a run at the Leadership? Gobble his way through the Cabinet?

Sheeple would never be so critical of course. They will probably identify O’Idiot from 1984 as a ‘scientist’, not a knob polishing politician.

388828 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to FerdIII, 7, #209 of 1724 🔗

He’s trying to ingratiate himself with the leadership. It’s transparent.

388977 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to FerdIII, 2, #210 of 1724 🔗

The strange thing is that , going by his Wiki entry,
he seems to have a sensible grasp on right of centre policies :eg: more money for small village schools , avoiding massive , unplanned estate development , increasing punishment for the career criminals , the 10% of the population that commits 50% of all crime.
So why has he become such a lockdown fanatic it seems contrary to his previous political thinking? Perhaps matt below has the answer

389048 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mikewaite, 6, #211 of 1724 🔗

Because why not. Nothing will happen to him, its not like we hold our politicians to account for things they say anymore. Unless of course you have misgendered someone on twitter, or have an old photo of you in fancy dress as an Indian, or you said something about an LGBTqrsruv+ that was rude. Then you said you did not agree with blm. Then suddenly the mob come for you and you are cancelled.
Isn’t it interesting that O’Bunnykiller views are definitely killing innocent people because of lockdown and there he sits unchallenged. Why is that? Because we have no voice. Most of our support is whispers and quiet conversations. Not screaming like that asswipe Piss Morgan. If you stick your head up on twitter you will get cancelled by the mumsnet morons. I only know one lockdown zealot out of all my friends. But I know none of the non believers would go on a march.

389077 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mikewaite, 4, #212 of 1724 🔗

That’s the odd thing in all this. I had a fair bit of respect prior to all this for Johnson and Gove – they seemed to have sensible and workable views on things like Europe and education for example – but I can never, ever take them seriously again after this. They seem to be either caught up in hysteria, or in the control of dark forces – neither is a desirable quality in a national leader.

388830 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mattghg, 14, #213 of 1724 🔗

He’s in for a shock. The tide is turning and for him to nail his colours to the mast so brazenly – at this time – screams ‘idiot’.

388900 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 6, #214 of 1724 🔗

He reminds me of Uriah Heep. Possibly angling for a promotion by toadying up to Johnson & co.

Someone needs to remind him that he’s more likely to get a P45 from the electorate rather than a promotion.

388801 ThomasPelham, replying to ThomasPelham, 8, #215 of 1724 🔗

So the government suggest that absent measures the COVID death toll would be about 250000. And the lockdown deaths, by their calculation were about 100000 (so far – lockdown deaths will continue long after lockdown!). So we’re talking about saving 150000 lives (COVID without lockdown-lockdown deaths), over 2 years, around 75000 a year. We’ve had pandemics in the past of 40000 (1999-2000) and 80000 (1968). It just wasn’t worth it.

Especially as there are immaterial harms to lockdown as well; violation of rights, lack of ability to flourish, mental health decline.

388806 ▶▶ Paul B, replying to ThomasPelham, 8, #216 of 1724 🔗

They claim 100,000 of/with the virus, this is meaningless, we haven’t cured death yet and very much so for old age with comorbidities.

388817 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Paul B, 12, #217 of 1724 🔗

They claim CV 19 killed 100.000. No data validation or stats analysis supports this number. Maybe 50.000 dead from (Not with) CV itself a member of a very large flu family with shared symptoms (I coughed therefore I have Covid?)..

50.000 are dead from underlying conditions nothing to do with CV 19 but given that the MCCD process was radically altered in March 2020 (the fake news never discusses this), CV is added and then the entire death is categorised as CV.

So: 50K from CV + 100 K from non-CV (and climbing).

We can conclude that we have burnt down the village to save it.

388802 MikeMayUK, replying to MikeMayUK, 9, #218 of 1724 🔗

On Woke Nonsense: I watched the Ghibli animation Arriety the other day. Pretty sure none of the voice actors in any language were six inches tall.

388947 ▶▶ mj, replying to MikeMayUK, 2, #219 of 1724 🔗

just been watching last nights Match of the Day. The crisp man proudly announcing that next month is LGBTetc history month. So expect wall to wall BBC promoting this. Note that although they discussed the racist tweets against Rashford they seem no longer to be showing the BLM kneeling at the start of the games. .
Oh and as for Arriety, the Japanese are not very tall. so the original version might have been woke.

389251 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, 1, #220 of 1724 🔗

Such tweets could as easily have been posted by the 77th False Flag Brigade as by some cretinous retard who actually meant them, though.

388803 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 37, #221 of 1724 🔗


388928 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #222 of 1724 🔗

It’s a bit of an empty victory isn’t it

388815 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 13, #223 of 1724 🔗

So the collateral damage from lockdown is 100,000 plus the economic and social damage. That means for lockdown to be justified in should at least have saved 100,000 from a covid death. Is that likely?

If people are dying from collateral causes doesn’t that put the death rate below the seasonal norm anyway?

Please tell me that I am not dreaming all this.

388834 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Stephen Williams, 13, #224 of 1724 🔗

LDs don’t work, so in essence you are right. The Gov’t has murdered, yes murdered 100 K people. 82 is the avg age of CV deaths. We could have isolated the over 75s and those with poor immune systems. We didn’t. The idiots burnt down the village to save the NHS. So they murdered 100 K people. Maybe 50 K died from CV. Another 50 K with it or the flu.

388840 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to FerdIII, 18, #225 of 1724 🔗

They didn’t do it to save the NHS – they may be stupid but they’re not THAT stupid.. what they actually did it for may well emerge in the months to come but it’s clearly not about health.

389062 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jos, 5, #226 of 1724 🔗

Yes – see my above point. The NHS could have been doubled in capacity in the last ten months but instead it has been allowed to lumber on as inefficiently as before.

388838 ▶▶ jos, replying to Stephen Williams, 11, #227 of 1724 🔗

Especially as it’s actually two seasonal virus periods, not one – 2019/2020 and 2020/2021 so halve it and you’ve got two normal flu years.

388890 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to jos, 4, #228 of 1724 🔗

Yes and particularly so since the winter of 2019/2020 had been exceptionally benign in terms of reported flu deaths.

388819 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 41, #229 of 1724 🔗

“Official estimate of the collateral damage”

  1. It isn’t “collateral damage”. “Collateral damage” is inflicted accidentally or incidentally during military operations. This is damage inflicted deliberately during a political operation.
  2. It isn’t an “official estimate”. It is a deliberate intervention to take control of the sceptics’ “the cure is worse than the disease” argument and neutralize it. The “at least 1,400” “estimated” unnecessary cancer deaths, for instance, is laughably low. They are ditching their former strategy of ignoring or cancelling anyone who highlighted the deaths caused by their policies. Their new strategy is to acknowledge the problem but to downplay it with their deviously incomplete or outright false statistics.

Anyone who takes this as a step in the right direction from the government is being naive.

388860 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #230 of 1724 🔗

Also, it isn’t and wasn’t ever a war. The terminology needs to be dropped.

389162 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #231 of 1724 🔗

A war against us.

388887 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #232 of 1724 🔗

NN I thought you didn’t want to be part of LS anymore? You have left and returned several times.

388913 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Marialta, 19, #233 of 1724 🔗

Call me fickle. I object to some things, but sometimes it all becomes too important and I feel that I have to contribute despite my objections.

388920 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #234 of 1724 🔗

Good to see that you are back!

389257 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Marialta, 4, #235 of 1724 🔗

He quite rightly objected to being censored and he had a very valid point. Thankfully, he’s big enough to reflect, regather and return for the bigger fight which is just as well as his contributions are well received and insightful.

I don’t recall seeing any particularly insightful posts from your good self. Your point?

388919 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #236 of 1724 🔗

Collaborative damage

388833 hilarynw, replying to hilarynw, 38, #237 of 1724 🔗

When reading this, please bear in mind that a conspiracy is only that if it is untrue!

I enjoy Lockdown Sceptics very much but when thinking this morning about the whole situation we all find ourselves in – and I think about little else, I wondered whether the time had come to accept that this situation cannot be reversed with logic, by looking at studies and graphs, by countering the governments arguments? What if they really don’t care about the damage to the economy because someone, somewhere has said they will pick up the bill? What if the best way to produce a society that does what it’s told is to destroy it’s younger generation, making them depressed/suicidal, feel there is ‘no hope’, take any ‘fight’ out of them. I could go on and on but if all this is done with a purpose in mind, appealing to their better nature about the damage to our children and people’s health will get nowhere.

Do we really believe that our government is so, so stupid that they couldn’t see after the first lockdown, the costs of lockdown in the economy and mental/physical health. After all they run the NHS and knew what the consequence of making it a Covid only service would be. Now they are telling us that because this health system that they run has become so depleted that we will need to limit our lives for evermore.

I have run out of other ideas. Please if anyone has any, I would be grateful to hear them. Nothing makes any sense anymore but reminds me of a phrase by the evolutionary biologist Theodosius Dobzhansky ‘nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution’. I feel nothing in this situation makes sense except in the light of something much deeper than a virus. SARS-COV2 came along conveniently and has been milked by ‘whoever’ to advance another agenda. Heaven help us getting out of it!

388841 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to hilarynw, 34, #238 of 1724 🔗

Once you realise we have been subject to a coup then everything makes sense.
The only thing that is up for debate is the aims behind it.

388878 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #239 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely. When I realised months ago that this was not about a virus but about politics and theatre, I felt much happier

388909 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to bluemoon, 8, #240 of 1724 🔗

It’s “about a virus” at least in so far as the virus has been used as cover

Until people get into their heads a more accurate picture of the actual risks and impact of the virus, it will be hard to make them believe governments around the world are not acting in good faith

389689 ▶▶▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to bluemoon, 2, #241 of 1724 🔗

I wish I shared your happiness. When I realised the lunactics were running the asylum I became depressed and still am.

389739 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to bluemoon, 1, #242 of 1724 🔗

Happy seems a strange word…

388899 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #243 of 1724 🔗

It’s a coup alright by the Health Fascists. They have taken advantage of the intellectual vacuum at the heart of government and they won’t stop now. ‘Protect the NHS’ is the new swastika, next it will be ‘Stop smoking, protect the NHS, save lives’ then ‘Stop drinking, protect the NHS, save lives’ Stop eating fatty foods, protect the NHS, save lives, ad infinitum …..

388924 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, 13, #244 of 1724 🔗

Protect the NHS and Covid are the pretext.If it was really about a virus don’t you think the government would have strengthened the NHS for the ‘second wave’ it’s not like they didn’t tell us it was coming and money seems to be no object these days.

389049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #245 of 1724 🔗

Exactly – that is a big red flag. Early on there was a feeling that we could cope by bolstering the NHS (eg with the one million auxiliary volunteers, the Nightingale hospitals, the Dyson ventilators etc). Then this gradually got dropped and all we get told, all the time, is that lockdowns are the only way to protect the NHS.

But why? By this time the government could have recruited and trained (by conscription if necessary) hundreds of thousands of auxiliary nurses, or poached them from third world countries (they’ve never worried about doing that in the past). They could have built a Nightingale hospital in every major city.

The fact that they don’t suggests that they want a permanent justification for lockdowns and/or they know it’s a load of BS and don’t want to spend any money on it, choosing to bribe the populace instead with furlough payments.

389074 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cranmer, 9, #246 of 1724 🔗

And what has never been explained when pro-lockdowners bleat self-righteously about shortage of staff to man ‘the Nightingales’ is why 40,000 medically qualified volunteer staff have never been offered jobs.


389130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #247 of 1724 🔗

Yes, same with the 1m. NHS volunteer auxiliaries – most of them never even got called back. The BBC did make some noises on this to be fair, but I haven’t heard anything about this for months.
Imagine if Kitchener’s volunteer army had been told ‘don’t call us we’ll call you’ in August 1914!

389777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cranmer, 1, #248 of 1724 🔗

Yes, but that (WWI) was a willing, satanic sacrifice, so they had no issues with that. They didn’t want to actually save lives, just as they don’t want to do so now.

388847 ▶▶ Annie, replying to hilarynw, 6, #249 of 1724 🔗

Hell has no limits.
Neither has stupid, when governed from hell.

388960 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to hilarynw, 15, #250 of 1724 🔗

Good Morning!

Welcome aboard the bus, if you look out the left window you will soon see the full evil of and omnipotence of the new global governance cathedral they are building next to the vaccine factory.

In a few moments if you look out the right window you will see a black granite cube, 1000 feet high. This is the HQ of google, twitter, the CIA, the BBC and other world media organisations and intelligence organisations.

Once we cross over the bridge we will pass a new hospital, empty of patients, provided by Black Rock. Look in its car park, a mortuary full to bursting with the wrong kind of “patients”.

After we pass the old shopping mall, now a ruin, we will soon see the prison, as we get over the hill, filling the valley beyond as far as the eye can see. Look out for the drones too. Sometimes you can hear them shooting and if you are lucky at night you can see the tracers!

We can go through the area after we do the usual checks, please loosen your belt so as to save time at the checkpoint. The guards can get a bit aggressive, especially if you have gaps around the rubber seal on your face-mask. They chck this with special thermal cameras now.

Don’t worry, if you fail the tests, they will only hold you for 3 months and they do feed you while in isolation, if you are good and kind.

The work can be hard but we need more solar panels and the post holes won’t dig themselves! They give you gloves if you work hard enough.

389093 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to hilarynw, 12, #251 of 1724 🔗

Was our government stupid? Well here’s the thing. Sir Unbalanced absolutely KNOWS this is bullshit. He KNOWS viruses don’t come in waves, he KNOWS vaccines don’t stop the spread of the disease. He KNOWS lockdowns have never been used before and can see from the results they didn’t work. He KNOWS the pcr test is not fit for purpose and that a cycle rate of 45 will pick up the cold you had when you were 12. If Mike Yeadon knows it so does Sir unbalanced.
So I Could possibly accept (not that I will) that politicians are being misled but the Chuckle brothers! Never! Them MF’s KNOW this is all wrong and are just lying their tits off! First ones up against the wall.

388836 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #252 of 1724 🔗

Sorry looks like i’ll be posting a few of these today. Get yourselves onto r/newnormal its a good laugh at all this COVID madness.

388839 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #253 of 1724 🔗

r/newnormal ?

388842 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #254 of 1724 🔗

r/nonewnormal actually. Quite the error that. Thanks

388857 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #255 of 1724 🔗

It wasn’t intentional. Was asking what it was…sorry I wasn’t clear.

388872 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #256 of 1724 🔗

It’s a reddit thread (form of social media). You can google it and it will let you view without any details. Bunch of folk slagging the new normal and doomers.

388894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #257 of 1724 🔗

Cheers. Have joined 👍🏻

388896 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #258 of 1724 🔗

Thanks for the recommendation. There’s some (very needed) hilarious stuff on there.

388843 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #259 of 1724 🔗

apparently, flu is ‘almost wiped’ out (MOS), and the comments conclude that its because of distancing, masks and hand washing, but no explanation about the apparent increase in Covid

388844 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 3, #260 of 1724 🔗

See my comment esrlier.

388854 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 2, #261 of 1724 🔗

CV ‘mutates’ into a bird. It flies and shits on the population. etc etc. You know science. Flu killed by diapers. CV not (it is airborne, tough, resilient, variants…).

388855 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 1, #262 of 1724 🔗

In the times as well.
Pure doublethink.

388926 ▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 4, #263 of 1724 🔗

Actually the top comment (2483) on the story by a reader is Lying toads ! They will have labelled it as Covid instead !

389154 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DanClarke, 3, #264 of 1724 🔗

Flu has also been ‘wiped out’ in Sweden and Belarus, but not in Cambodia, which has recorded not a single covid death.

388848 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 23, #265 of 1724 🔗

All the evidence from the multiple scientific papers, Sweden, Belarus etc is that lockdowns do not reduce covid deaths.

But perhaps based on government figures we can deduce at least 100,000 have died/will die because of the indirect affects of lockdowns.

So lockdown has killed 100,000 or put another way the number of avoidable deaths is equivalent to over 150 avoidable deaths per MP who didn’t vote against lockdowns.

388856 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #266 of 1724 🔗

Nice use of maths 👍🏻

389033 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #267 of 1724 🔗

The hundred thousand figure is an obviously a substantial under-estimate. Just consider, for example, the care home scandal, which in lockdown version one alone resulted in tens of thousands of deaths. Or consider the estimates for cancers that have gone undiagnosed, which is in excess of fifty thousand deaths. Indeed, the government’s first assessment in April estimated two hundred thousand as a result of lockdown version one.

388849 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 18, #268 of 1724 🔗

Canadian legal challenge to the Empress Justina – the love child of Fidel Castro. His mommy was a whore.

“The mandatory quarantining of all Canadians, merely because they exercised their Charter right to leave or enter Canada, is not rationally connected to any legitimate public health objective. It is not rational to impose a 14 day quarantine upon asymptomatic individuals who are able to provide negative test results confirming their lack of infection.”

The gross legal violations must be punished. Isolation camps exist in Canada (11). These contravene a wide variety of statutes. You test negative. You are not sick. So the bastards put you into a hotel or a camp and make you pay for it. There is no logic, no health imperative for any of it.

388915 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 1, #269 of 1724 🔗

Didn’t she bang the Rolling Stones?
as in, in a train??

388859 Bart Simpson, 13, #271 of 1724 🔗

Posting this again because well done to this lady for standing up to the police and making a sale at the same time:


388862 Tom Blackburn, 5, #272 of 1724 🔗

“Say that to the families of the 100,000” has backfired somewhat, hasn’t it?

388865 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #273 of 1724 🔗

I continue to be appalled at the way dodgy vaccines are being churned out and injected whilst it seems the possibility of effective treatments are being sidelined and regarded as ‘quack’ science.
I have a few Ivermectin links and would have to say I feel our health junta have let us down by not putting more effort into developing treatments for people with severe virus symptoms. In many cases the potential treatments are already in use and so we already have knowledge on safety and side effects.




388940 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #274 of 1724 🔗

So true. Thousand of lives could have been saved by these cheap/affordable treatments. Sadly it has never been about health only about political standing

389504 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #275 of 1724 🔗

That’s just it; Vit D was already there, HCQ was already there with a 60yr approval, Ivermectin was already there with decades of approval.
What did they do instead?; develop and promote Remdesivir with its minimal efficacy, price tag in the $1000’s, and its kidney and liver toxicity….

388866 Henry2, replying to Henry2, 23, #276 of 1724 🔗

Haven’t posted in a little while. I’ve come to the conclusion that the initial epidemic was exacerbated by the incompetence of Chris Hopson and Simon Stevens et al. for negligently managing the health service by prioritising the covid ‘Fear’. I’m still yet to hear any sign of ‘yes, we go that wrong, but the disaster was incoming (as a get out clause)’. We ended up with excess mortality to covid and non-covid reasons (yes, it is impossible to quantify which has had the heavier impact)

The severe winter uptick seen in January (to both covid and non-covid causes) I lay firmly at the feet of the whole medical establishment who every 2 weeks said ‘there will be a 2nd wave – after normal gatherings, BLM marches, beach goings etc’. It was nauseating. This continual denial and shunning of sensible pandemic preparedness and the GBD has caused this. I didnt get my way in April, of ending lockdown after the 3 week period an building up natural immunity within the less vulnerable communities and pouring money into protecting the elderly and vulnerable when it was needed.

To most reading here this seems obvious and repeated over and over, but outside the LS community, the emotional and moral argument that nobody can fall ill from covid has won and for that they are firmly responsible for this equivalent of an unvaccinated flu year. I’m annoyed, I’m probably seen as a heartless bastard, but this is what happens when you try and outwit nature and fight death. paradoxically you get more of it. I am pro this vaccine, i hope it works well and all the rest of it, but I wont have it balancing my risk factors of being young and healthy, but for god sake, it needed to be rolled out in september, and when that came and went, it was blindingly obvious it would be too little too late for the normal seasonal uptick in coronavirus proliferation. Anyone pretending they can controlthe spread of normal respiratory pathogens, even during summer, is beyond the pale.

Apologies for the rant, now to go and drill this into my numb-skulled peers.

388884 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Henry2, 6, #277 of 1724 🔗

Just to say that Hopson is nothing to do with the NHS. NHS Providers is essentially a union for NHS trusts. Take a look at this page and in particular note that they are very careful not to use the NHS lozenge in their logo.
https://nhsproviders.org/aspiring-ceos-report/chris-hopson#:~:text=Chris%20Hopson%20joined%20NHS%20Providers,public%2C%20private%20and%20voluntary%20sectors .

388935 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Apache, 1, #278 of 1724 🔗

Thanks for the clarification. He’s one of those annoying personalities I see on TV I just loathe.

389058 ▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Apache, 1, #279 of 1724 🔗

See JHB rip him a new one one; Talk Radio 6 or 7 Jan.

389056 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Henry2, 2, #280 of 1724 🔗

Search TalkRadio’s YouTube channel for Julia Hartley-Brewer ripping Chris Hopson a new sphincter. It was 6 or 7 Jan, I think. I showed it to my 15 year old daughter and now she’s binge-watching JHB interviiews 🙂 🙂

388867 DanClarke, 20, #281 of 1724 🔗

Those who made their fortunes from encouraging the masses to go to War and fight for their Freedom are the same ones who are now removing our Freedom to make their mega trillions from the pharma and Smart world they now envisage.

388868 Mr Taxpayer, 15, #282 of 1724 🔗

So Neil O’Brien MP does not want to debate Professor Carl Henegan; a frequent contributor* to the Radio 4’s “Today” programme. Would Neil O’Brien MP debate Tommy Robinson, Nick Griffin or were he alive, Sir Oswald Moseley? What’s he got lose if his cause, facts and belief are right?????

* Not as frequent as usually-wrong astrologer Professor Neil Fergusson, but that’s a different topic.

388871 Julian, replying to Julian, 38, #283 of 1724 🔗

Worth noting Neil O’Brien’s reasoning for declining to take part in a public debate with Carl Heneghan – so as not to give him more publicity. And worth nothing he describes Hartley-Brewer as “one of the few people still promoting his claims”.

Classic smear tactics – assert that your opponent’s views are so beyond the pale that giving them an airing would be Bad.

The division of viewpoints into Good and Bad, rather than Right and Wrong, or Supported and Unsupported by evidence.

I’ve not noticed Heneghan making many “claims” anyway – his line is more observation based on evidence

388936 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 7, #284 of 1724 🔗

Ha Ha he is AFRAID!!!

389015 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 3, #285 of 1724 🔗

Yes, but I sense his ego would make him arrogant enough to think he can win the debate. Imo his fear is to be deplatformed and smeared in the same way as Swayne has been attacked for speaking to stand up x.

This is how the line is kept. Attack anyone who even talks to dissenters no matter if they are thoughtful or not.

It isn’t a giant stretch to get to a point where small controlled opposition groups are used as honey traps to wage smears on any establishment figure not towing the line. Simply set them up with an interview with the wrong group and attack them for it.

There’s a plague on don’t you know. How far from critical health and survival we are.

389019 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 3, #286 of 1724 🔗

Am I alone in detecting a tone of threat in O’Brien’s reply? ‘You are one of the few,’ implies ‘you are isolated and can be got.’

389085 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ovis, 2, #287 of 1724 🔗

From Blade Runner…

389028 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Julian, 2, #288 of 1724 🔗

If you are in power and are holding the microphone why would you pass it to someone else?

388873 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 21, #289 of 1724 🔗

Yet more tragic victims of lockdowns and border closures. “Thai police officers crippled by accumulated 270 billion baht [£40 billion] debt”


“In the popular tourist areas there have been fewer tourists to ‘police’ and many of the businesses that used to pay tea money for security and protection have either gone out of business or simply refused to make the payments whilst the tourist zones have been devoid of International tourists.”

So hilarious sad to see that good, honest coppers are unable to pay their mortgages because they haven’t been able to pocket the protection money that enabled illegal gambling dens and illegal migrant worker camps to flourish and spread COVID across the country.

I say “spread COVID across the country” – if you read further down, you’ll see that today’s horrifying death tally in Thailand is, er, zero.

389173 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #290 of 1724 🔗

Great to see.

I always found it suspicioud when the Thai Government was downplaying the importance of tourism on their GDP. It would appear they have completely ignored the black market.

389989 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JHUNTZ, #291 of 1724 🔗

Officially prostitution is illegal in Thailand, I understand. While in fact being a large part of the economy.

390497 ▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Waldorf, #292 of 1724 🔗

There’s no prostitution in Thailand. Sometimes someone pays someone to go for a walk with them or sing karaoke with them, that’s all. If they happen to hit it off, that’s a personal matter for them. The logic is flawless.

390498 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #293 of 1724 🔗

(I was never any good at maths. 270 billion baht is £7 billion, not £40. Apparently beer is a lot cheaper here than I thought.)

388877 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 20, #294 of 1724 🔗

My apologies for posting links multiple times

The glaring error of the Healthcare establishment in this country has been to adopt influenza epidemic contingency measures inappropriate to a minor common cold coronavirus epidemic (15,560 lorry drivers tested in Kent, 36 positives).

A globally respected Coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak:

‘There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’ (Accuweather 06 Feb) Prof John Nicholls, Univ of Hong Kong

The common cold, Rhinoviruses, Coronaviruses etc are more lethal to the elderly and infirm than influenza, known about for years:

‘Rhinovirus infection in the adults was associated with significantly higher mortality and longer hospitalization when compared with influenza virus infection. Institutionalized older adults were particularly at risk. More stringent infection control among health care workers in elderly homes could lower the infection rate before an effective vaccine and antiviral become available.’ (International Journal of Molecular Sciences 2017)

Common cold coronaviruses can kill healthy adults

‘Between 2013 and 2017, 16 225 cases of SARI (severe acute respiratory infection) were reported in RS; 9.8% of the patients died; 20% of all fatal cases were patients without comorbidities and for whom no pathogen was detected using standard protocols. Analysis of 271 of these cases identified HCoV in nine cases; HBoV, hMPV, and rhinovirus were detected in 3, 3, and 10 cases, respectively. Of note, patients infected with HCoV were adults. Results reinforce the importance of including coronaviruses in diagnostic panels used by official surveillance systems because besides their pandemic potential, endemic HCoVs are associated to severe disease in healthy adults.’


Five major indictments:

  1. Pandemic contingency plan never resourced
  2. SAGE appointments compromised by a lack of broad expertise across the full range of health emergency crisis management disciplines; hopeless lack of balance
  3. Flawed data and flawed models used to justify lockdowns
  4. No cost/benefit or risk assessment carried out before government interventions authorised, breaching the government’s own health and safety laws.
  5. Lockdowns and other government interventions killed over 10,000 nursing home residents.

‘Contrary to the claim by the secretary of state for Health and Social Care that a “protective ring” was put around care homes “right from the start,” a number of decisions and policies adopted by authorities at the national and local level in England increased care home residents’ risk of exposure to the virus—violating their rights to life, to health, and to non-discrimination. These include, notably:

• Mass discharges from hospital into care homes of patients infected or possibly infected with COVID19 and advice that “[n]egative tests are not required prior to transfers / admissions into the care home”.
• Advice to care homes that “no personal protective equipment (PPE) is required if the worker and the resident are not symptomatic,” and a failure to ensure adequate provisions of PPE to care homes.
• A failure to assess care homes’ capability to cope with and isolate infected or possibly infected patients discharged from hospitals, and failure to put in place adequate emergency mechanisms to help care homes respond to additional needs and diminished resources.
• A failure to ensure regular testing of care home workers and residents.
• Imposition of blanket Do Not Attempt Resuscitation (DNAR) orders on residents of many care homes around the country and restrictions on residents’ access to hospital.
• Suspension of regular oversight procedures for care homes by the statutory regulating body, the Care Quality Commission (CQC), and the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman.’


I very much doubt that the retrospective backside covering discussed above will survive exposure in the clear light of day; a fully independent public inquiry with broad remit and a tight schedule.

This level of lethal incompetence cannot be allowed to happen again, and it will, very soon, unless remedial action, including constitutional reform, SAGE/Health Service reform, OFCOM/BBC reform, is swiftly determined and implemented.

388903 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #295 of 1724 🔗

It’s hard to see how any of these remedial actions will take place unless and until there is a widespread acceptance that there has been a huge mistake, and the restoration of the pre-2020 consensus on pandemic management and on the reasonable balance between competing challenges in the public health sphere and wider society/economy

388927 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Julian, 15, #296 of 1724 🔗

You may very well be correct, but my faith in the British public is greater than that.

The mask/lockdown zealots are largely public sector, working or retired (16.5 million). They do not vote Conservative much.

The small business/self employed are too busy to protest, simply wear a mask and get on with it (16 million). They will not be voting Conservative again for quite some time, if ever……

We will see what the electorate think in May

388954 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #297 of 1724 🔗

I agree with you, but am worried that the electorate won’t get the chance to vote in May. Many schools are used as polling stations and I can see the cry ‘Don’t bring COVID back into schools’ . Hope that I’m wrong but nothing this mendacious tyranny that masquerades as a government does surprises me anymore.

388969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to isobar, 2, #298 of 1724 🔗

That was also my concern, but the ‘narrative’ now appears to be that the electorate will reward these total no hopers on the back of their vaccine roll out……

However the economy had just started to do well in 1997 when the Major government went to the polls….and got a massive stuffing.

The Scottish assembly leader is longing for an election as is the London mayor……mendacious tyrants both, so delay also comes with a political price.

Certainly the decision has not yet been taken, election officials still not directed to prepare.

389030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #299 of 1724 🔗

I’m encouraged by the fact that the 2021 census still seems to be going ahead. The government could easily cancel/postpone that on the grounds of Covid, and avoid the revelation of some demographic statistics they might prefer to keep quiet.

389132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cranmer, 1, #300 of 1724 🔗

The Irish Government were ahead of them and knew Ireland would still be in lockdown in 2021 – they cancelled the 2021 census in H1 2020.

388981 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #301 of 1724 🔗

How optimistic. I don’t share it for the following reasons:
– Among the people I talk to, I know of only one other sceptic who has reached that opinion by himself, through research. I work in private sector but I have friends in public sector – there is no contrast between them.
– Of the people who are willing to listen to reason, they have to be constantly topped up with facts to avoid relapse. Without my intervention the BBC propaganda resets them every day.
– No one apart from the other sceptic does any research, or has any interest in learning about anything related to this. All they need is a little library of virtue signalling soundbites, ideally some sadlidied stories. All they care about is staying in line with the herd – and I literally mean this – they run on animal instincts, not rational thought. They are quite happy with fascism as long at isn’t labelled that way.
– The Meeja is already starting to sell dePiffle as a hero, especially with the mRNA stock war with Europe. Let’s not kid ourselves that 90% will consider assigning their vote to anything except the blue pig or the red pig. As a protest a handful might vote for the green pig or the yellow pig. We can hope that Reform gets some votes in less woke areas, but that assumes that there is any Meeja coverage of them, other than the usual racism smears.

389008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #302 of 1724 🔗

You may very well be correct.

However, if the government really believed it was going to do well at the elections, election officials would already be preparing but they are still on hold.

Added to which, my straw poll of the self employed/small businesses suggests they are very sceptical but are intent on their customer base so avoid any controversy.

More expert straw polls suggest long term government unpopularity since Aug 2020


But that is, of course, why regular elections are so important.

I am happy to put my faith in the British Public. I do not believe that the majority are craven mask wearing lockdown zealots. We will see….sooner or later……

389021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #303 of 1724 🔗

I hope that you are right. However these days it doesn’t seem to matter if you vote for the blue pill or the red pill, you end up getting the green pill.

389024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #304 of 1724 🔗

However, if the government really believed it was going to do well at the elections, election officials would already be preparing but they are still on hold.”

Maybe. An alternative explanation is that holding elections gives a semblance of normality, whereas cancelling them perpetuates the idea that we are in an emergency situation that requires wholesale disruption to society

This atmosphere of emergency is essential to keeping control of the narrative and IMO has been one of the key drivers in everything the govt has done

389032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #305 of 1724 🔗

We will see. There have been surprises before. I would say that if anything, the government are most worried that the zombies will be afraid of the polling stations. They could push for something like automatic postal vote opt-in, but that applies other skew factors that tend to favour the red pigs. As usual it’ll be left to the last minute for a decision and it will be a guaranteed shambles.

389125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #306 of 1724 🔗

Heres a question I have only just thought looking at these posts about government success or failure. If you asked these questions a year ago what percentage of this country would know the answer.
Who is the minister of Health?
Who us chief medical officer?
What us SAGE?
Who is the minister for schools?
Who is Secretary of state?
I bet they know the answer now! Five minutes of fame indeed.

389993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, #307 of 1724 🔗

Compared to Greeks, Brits are individualist rebels – although not perhaps a politically organised or conscious action, I am struck by how many Londoners do not wear masks despite fear propaganda at every corner.

388882 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 39, #308 of 1724 🔗

Why is Blair, who was promoting the EU for himself and his EU mates until recently, now promoting the vaccine for his Pharma mates. What an evil self serving parasite he is

388891 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 6, #309 of 1724 🔗

Surprised Blair hasn’t come out with his own brand of glory hole simulators

388922 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 13, #310 of 1724 🔗

Hazarding a completely wild and unsubstantiated guess – Money ???!!!

388942 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to iane, 2, #311 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think money is the answer. I don’t know what the monster gets out of it. But money seems a poor motivator for some of the activities he has involved himself in. I find money much too innocent an answer. What do I know.

389127 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basics, 5, #312 of 1724 🔗

P O W E R!!

389332 ▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #313 of 1724 🔗

Blackmail? Maybe he cannot refuse.

389071 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to DanClarke, -5, #314 of 1724 🔗

OK, Blair sent me to fight his illegal war and if I met him today, I’d do time for what I’d do to him. However, a hell of a lot of what he’s said over the last few months has been very sensible and I’ve agreed with him. You really have no idea how much it hurts me to say that.

388885 jos, replying to jos, 23, #315 of 1724 🔗

As an amateur, self-taught statement analysis, I have tried to analyse Bill Gates’ responses to the theories about his evil intent regarding the ‘pandemic’. Firstly, at no point does he say the accusations aren’t true (of course, they may not have printed that in the Washington Post but it seems unlikely they wouldn’t have reported it if he had denied it.) I’ve just picked out some of the things he did say to comment on.
“The presence of social media plus a pandemic is a combination that’s never been tried before,” ‘Never been tried’ – this suggests pandemics are fabricated (he could have said ‘never occurred’). By making it passive, he’s distancing himself from being implicated in the fabrication or only as part of a bigger group.

‘‘Nobody would have predicted that I and Dr. Fauci would be so prominent in really evil theories about ‘did we create the pandemic, are we trying to profit from it,’ and on and on.’’ The ‘nobody’ at the beginning of this is clearly not talking about the general population, but a group to which he (Gates) and Fauci belong. The use of the word ‘predicted’ suggests a time before the pandemic when they were making other predictions about the imminent pandemic in which these accusations regarding Gates and Fauci had never figured.
“I’m very surprised by that,” he said. “I hope it goes away.”
No denial of his involvement- just a wish for it to be forgotten.
‘’ ‘I have no idea where that came from,” Mr. Gates said of the microchip theory.’’
Again no denial that it isn’t true – just puzzlement about how it emerged. This is genuine puzzlement- he really doesn’t know who leaked this story.
“We’re really going to have to get educated about this over the next year and understand how does it change peoples’ behavior, how should we have minimized this — either working with the social media companies or explaining what we were up to in a better way,” he said.’’
Firstly, he uses ‘we’ extensively here, showing he wishes to be seen as part of a group and not to take personal responsibility. The whole paragraph suggests a post-pandemic analysis of what worked and what didn’t almost like a business manager assessing at the end of the financial year what worked and what didn’t.
Secondly, to say ‘what we were up to’ rather than ‘what we were doing’ – the former suggests wrongdoing, the latter doesn’t.
I’d be interested to know if there are other statement analysts, amateur or professional, who are on here and have looked at this or other prominent people’s comments about what’s going on.

388911 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 11, #316 of 1724 🔗

The idea for the microchip theory is that Microsoft have filed a patent for such a technology.Numbered 2020060606.
Bill Gates is the new Shaggy

389194 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #317 of 1724 🔗

I think this patent (and possibly some others) should be widely shared. With the question for the sheeple: And just why do you think they have got this patent? For fun?

389290 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #318 of 1724 🔗

2020 666 – if they’re having a laugh it’s at our expense

389061 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to jos, 4, #319 of 1724 🔗

I’m surprised he’s surprised by this, when he’s on record as wanting a 25% reduction in the worlds population to be achieved through ‘healthcare and vaccination’.

389438 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to jos, 6, #320 of 1724 🔗

He’s lying through his teeth.

If he can’t see the conflicts of interests his donations create – thus justifiably receiving flak from those that can see – he should be nowhere near ‘leading’ us through anything.

This prick boasted on tv that his return on vaccine investment has previously been 20-1. I wonder what it’ll be next year?

I remember seeing an interview or deposition from a couple of decades back. There’s a remarkable similarity in demeanour with Zuckerberg. Criminologists would quite likely see a similarity with other psychopaths.

His grave will be spat on for eternity. Let’s hope God puts him in it sooner rather than later.

388886 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #321 of 1724 🔗

So the uber shithouse O’Brien is refusing to debate

Is the mickey mouse advisor to the worst Prime Minister* in history the best the State can come up with?

The lame excuse is that it would provide Prof H with publicity. Au contraire, surely it would provide the self appointed leader of the free world the opportunity to demolish the arguments of this pip squeak professor.

O’Brien is a modern day Lord Haw Haw

*The pig dictator is not a Prime Minister

388893 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 16, #322 of 1724 🔗

O’Brien’s enthusiastic involvement in this business, way beyond merely regurgitating the government line, is distasteful and unparliamentary – but then he’ll be encouraged by Gove turning on one of their own

388923 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 12, #323 of 1724 🔗

O’Brien is typical of what the texting/social media world has turned people into.

They want time to think about the best response to a text before they reply because they are not genuine in what they say or think.

388970 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #324 of 1724 🔗

He’s typical of modern discourse, in that he is afraid, or perhaps incapable of, arguing from a rational/logical standpoint, and so disguises it by taking the moral high ground and claiming he is above talking to such people. It’s being done on a wider scale on social media by those people who simply respond ‘wibble’ to any argument they are incapable of refuting.

389138 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #325 of 1724 🔗

Just a typical cyber bully. No actual proof or cognitive data for us to review and debate. Just name calling and what you are saying is wrong because I said so. Then someone comes and knocks on you door and wants “a little chat” with you about the things you have been saying, suddenly you want to hide under your bed and burrow down like the insignificant fucking worm you are.

389712 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #326 of 1724 🔗

O’Brien is like the clowns in SAGE – acting like a Reality TV celeb who is relishing his 15 minutes of fame.

He like the other MPs are also pygmies which demonstrates the low standards of people who end up on those green benches.

388889 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #327 of 1724 🔗

Readers of the page may be interested to know the name Christopher Charles Ingvaldson in relation to Trudeau. There is an Epstien-like element everywhere with a certain group of people it seems.

388917 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 7, #328 of 1724 🔗

If I was running some international ring of the Epstein type I’d try and get as many important people involved in some way as a form of protection.

Reminds me of these madames in the past who ran high class prostitutes with their black book of high profile names.

388964 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #329 of 1724 🔗

As Wellington famously said when faced with blackmail of that type, ‘publish and be damned’. Not many would have the courage to say that nowadays!

388892 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #330 of 1724 🔗

The BBC reports that in Russia railway stations are to close and travel restrictions imposed in order to suppress demonstrations

Where Britain leads Russia follows

388902 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 15, #331 of 1724 🔗

Russia is still Freer than Britain.

388932 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #332 of 1724 🔗

30/1/21St Petersburg
The restriction for night work (from 11pm to 6am) of bars, cafe and restaurants is lifted today (30th of January, 2021). Now people in Saint Petersburg, Russia can getting drunk in the bars 24/7.


388905 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 1, #333 of 1724 🔗

Or, nowadays, vice versa!

388906 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 11, #334 of 1724 🔗

The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship…

In a democracy if the government act like a dictatorship they’ll say you voted for it.

388961 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #335 of 1724 🔗

At least they don’t pretend it’s to suppress the Covid.

389005 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 11, #336 of 1724 🔗

The political media elite in this country are busily denouncing Russia for violating peoples’ rights to freedom of expression, freedom of assembly and the right to protest. And they do this with a straight face.

388907 Tim Bidie, 12, #337 of 1724 🔗

Telling that no response has been made yet by Eurosurveillance to a challenge regarding the validity of the PCR test ‘Drosten et al’ paper that it published in January 2020 supporting PCR testing for covid 19 using high Ct (number of test cycles used) thresholds to determine ‘cases’.

Also telling that WHO has issued two notices concerning PCR test Ct thresholds subsequent to that challenge in December.

Since the last WHO notice in January ‘case’ numbers in England have started dropping dramatically, just in time for the government to begin its news management lead in to the May local, London and Scotland elections.

The Conservative party should be concentrating its energy on a name change, the usual PR response to an unmitigated disaster……

388925 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #338 of 1724 🔗

Leaving aside the obvious flaws and obfuscations in the collateral damage report the most important thing is that most Covid deaths (both with and of) are among the very elderly. The average age of death from/with Covid remains higher than the national average life expectancy. Extreme age is the greatest co-morbidity factor in Covid mortality. What the reporting glosses over is that the cancer victim, suicides, deaths of despair from the economic Armageddon will primarily be people below the age of 60.

As usual this is a “heads they win, tails you lose” report. The masses will believe that without lockdown things would be even worse. Every success is due to government and Sage, every death is due to covidiots and sceptics.

389149 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #339 of 1724 🔗

And for some reason the good Prof Carl H has stopped doing his analysis of the numbers. He stopped the 70,000 dead from the first wave bullshit by reviewing and disassembling the numbers. Last time he spoke on this he said he was not being given the numbers anymore. Now why would that be. It not like they have anything to hide, oh wait…..

388929 Ianric, replying to Ianric, -18, #340 of 1724 🔗

Opponents of lockdowns argue that the pandemic is a complete hoax. Do you feel this a valid argument.

388946 ▶▶ Apache, replying to Ianric, 20, #341 of 1724 🔗

Of course not. It is a new seasonal respiratory virus that emerged last year, killed a lot of people in a short time in Mar/Apr and is now endemic. The surprise is that government policy is one of populism that is following public opinion via social media and the MSM rather than scientific evidence. We have to learn to live with this and end mandatory restrictions to be replaced by vaccine and information/guidance.

388982 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Apache, 7, #342 of 1724 🔗

how can you be so sure a new seasonal respiratory virus emerged last year? you only know what the msm and permitted information channels are telling you- do you trust them to tell you the truth? if you discount them as a source of evidence, then what exactly are you left with? is there anything in your lived experience that would be telling you that a new seasonal respiratory virus had emerged? or perhaps you have your own microbiology lab, where you personally have identified this new virus? what it comes down to in the end is how much you trust the world’s governments and msm sources. I trust them not one bit, I renounce them as if they were Satan himself

388948 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Ianric, 7, #343 of 1724 🔗

Some do, most don’t.

388951 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ianric, 18, #344 of 1724 🔗

Some people argue this, but not many – a small percentage would be my unscientific estimate

It also depends what you mean by “complete hoax”. I think if you said that to Joe Public they’d think you meant that covid didn’t exist and that the whole thing had been deliberately invented – as I said a position some have, but IMO not many

If you mean by “complete hoax” that the pandemic has been exaggerated out of all proportion and the response to it has been based on distortions of reality, then yes I would say many sceptics think that, and the evidence points to that being the case

388967 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ianric, 11, #345 of 1724 🔗

A scam not a hoax

388987 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ianric, 20, #346 of 1724 🔗

They have weaponised a minor respiratory viral disease, that is mainly lethal only for the frail elderly or sick, into something it is not for their own nefarious purposes which have little to do with public health.

388989 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ianric, 2, #347 of 1724 🔗

One of the FIRST things covidians say when they try to disarm the lockdown sceptic when they think they are being clever is to say “So do you think there isn’t a virus that is killing people then?”
I know, its a hard question to get out of….Watch out for the clever ones….

389031 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Two-Six, 2, #348 of 1724 🔗

Which is a strawman. It doesn’t matter. The main thing that matters is, is the virus or whatever causing more deaths than typical variations over the years and decades, when you account for changing mortality.

389040 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ianric, 4, #349 of 1724 🔗

I think you would struggle to find a single contributor to this forum above or below the line who thinks covid is a “complete” hoax.

388930 davews, replying to davews, 19, #350 of 1724 🔗

Touch wood I have not needed to visit my GP for the last year. But my annual checks including bloods are due next month. I imagine when I ring they won’t be done as they are not doing routine checks. I also found that to get blood tests, no longer being done at the surgery, there are no longer walk in clinics, you have to book. Doing a quick check at my local hospitals no appointments were available for the next 10 days and up to a fortnight to get an early one needed for fasting blood tests. And thefoot note ‘blood tests only when urgent’. Since my annual PSA tests were a condition when I was discharged by the hospital a couple of years ago it looks like I will be added to the list of cancer victims of the pandemic.

388944 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to davews, 5, #351 of 1724 🔗

I managed to get mine done in April last year, for thyroid issues. It was at GP surgery and I was treated like a leper whilst in an otherwise empty surgery, but it was done. Good luck getting yours sorted.

389211 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to TreeHugger, 2, #352 of 1724 🔗

Last April things were VERY different. I had had my check up early March, still a face to face in the surgery. The booked surgery blood tests later that month were cancelled and I had to make my way to the walk in clinic at the hospital (early April). Still walk in but by then a single phlebotomist who unfortunately on the day didn’t turn up until 9.30. Fasting blood, had over an hour wait (with half a dozen others waiting), I was decidedly peckish but at least had it done.

388973 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to davews, 4, #353 of 1724 🔗

don’t worry, your death will be recorded as covid

389009 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #354 of 1724 🔗

Blowing up Westminster, with all useless MPs and OAP Lords, circa 2000 indirect covid deaths

388980 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to davews, 1, #355 of 1724 🔗

Do any private companies outside of the NCS do them?

389152 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to davews, 5, #356 of 1724 🔗


You have my every sympathy. Perhaps you should register with your local vet. My dog was diagnosed with leukaemia in early December and has to have fortnightly blood tests. There is no problem getting her booked in for the next check following each visit. The vets wouldn’t dare refuse to offer such treatment. knowing what the public reaction would be if they did refuse.

It’s come to something when many pro lock downers would be more than happy to take up arms on behalf of their pets but are happy to remain silent about the plight of fellow human beings in your position.

389248 ▶▶ Suet, replying to davews, 3, #357 of 1724 🔗

Weirdly, perhaps, I was hoping to deal with a medical matter purely by econsult/phone earlier this week. However, I was summoned to the doc for a face to face visit, and despatched to the practice nurse to have my bloods done, all with under three hours notice. In the ‘old’ days, it would have been at least a week before I could get to see either. And, no, it wasn’t an emergency: I could have had a repeat prescription and would have been perfectly content with that. No fuss made with either practitioner when I removed my mask (I did try to wear one, given that surgeries are hotbeds of germs).

Made me laugh that they now have these plastic chairs in the waiting rooms that you are handed a notice to leave on when you vacate one. I assume the chairs get wiped down at some point. The notices are filthy dirty pieces of laminated A4 with delaminated curling edges with visible dust and muck all over them. I think the chairs would get dirtier from those than from me. But, hey, covid.

388937 Tom Blackburn, 12, #358 of 1724 🔗

When I talk to Lockdown fanatics about collateral damage

388949 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 35, #359 of 1724 🔗

We must all show our gratitude…

388976 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #360 of 1724 🔗

Fair point though. They will be making out like gangbusters when all the cancer, heart attack and suicide victims start rolling on gurneys through their doors.

388978 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to The Covid Kid, 6, #361 of 1724 🔗

The best business partner you could ever want

388950 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #362 of 1724 🔗

I started this shitshow a sociopath. I’m better now. Full-blown psychopath I think it’s an improvement.

388979 ▶▶ iane, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #363 of 1724 🔗

Careful: that statement has a Bozo/Gove/Hangcock/Cabinet trademark!

388955 Professor, replying to Professor, 7, #364 of 1724 🔗

Yet more reference to the Warwick modelling today in the Telegraph, with dire predictions of Summer deaths in the thousands unless transmission blocking is greater than 60% and lockdown restrictions are lifted very gradually or barely at all over the coming year.

In the Summer of 2020 there was no vaccine, which is equivalent to no transmission blocking, so wouldn’t their models have predicted thousands of deaths then too? Perhaps I missed that. In Summer 2021, most of the vulnerable will have been vaccinated, which will (hopefully) reduce the proportion of the population most likely to die if infected even if the vaccine has no effect on transmission. One has to conclude that whatever model they are using is naïvely simplistic and seems to take no account of respiratory virus seasonality nor anticipated reduction in mortality rates for the vaccinated elderly population.

Unfortunately, scary graphs such as those reproduced in the article above appear to convince our politicians that more “action” is needed. We are not seeing any substantive real data forthcoming on efficacy or transmissibility post-vaccination, but all the mood music suggests that transmissibility will still be high for vaccinated individuals (as was found in the original animal trials on the AZ/Oxford vaccine). This is a major problem for those who believe that ‘zero COVID’ is the aim, as that would therefore be impossible by vaccination alone (at least, if you believe the modelling).

389165 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Professor, 10, #365 of 1724 🔗

How interesting. Lets use a model to predict what is going to happen this summer. We need this because its not like we had summer with the actual pandemic last year to compare against. Look at those thousands, no wait hundreds, oh bugger a few people died of covid in the summer last year.
Why are you modelling when you have actual data? Why are you so fucking stupid?

388956 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 10, #366 of 1724 🔗

The admission of collateral damage by the governsagement is interesting. What do we make of it? Obviously they’re saying if they didn’t lock down things would be worse. But what is the purpose behind openly admitting that lockdown has caused such damage?

Is it, I wonder, so that they can somehow conflate ‘covid deaths’ and ‘lockdown deaths’ into one big lump in the public’s mind, with the eventual goal of death or serious illness of any kind being used as a justification for permanent lockdowns?

388958 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cranmer, 3, #367 of 1724 🔗

I can only assume to your typical lockdownista that 200,000 have been “killed in the pandemic” and we made the total higher by not playing ball and making it last longer than it needed to?

389083 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #368 of 1724 🔗

Except almost everybody did play ball in the first lockdown. Everything shut, people stayed indoors, did all the distancing stuff like good little sheep. Self isolated if you had symptoms or a family member did the whole shebang. It didn’t work and couldn’t be sustained once the initial 3 weeks were over.

388963 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cranmer, 7, #369 of 1724 🔗

exactly – they’re just weaving them into the narrative, appropriating them to the service of their own propaganda – to just ignore them would be dangerous, leaving it open for people like us to come along and explain them

388966 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 6, #370 of 1724 🔗

At no point do they say that lockdown was a mistake. They speak as if lockdown was as inevitable and inescapable as Covid therefore the two are one and the same: you have direct victims and collateral.

388974 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cranmer, 7, #371 of 1724 🔗

The same idea is in climate models. If you remove CO2 you cannot explain the rise in temperatures. But the problem is a) the temperature reference is hypothetical as actual source temperature readings never had that precision, and b) it’s a circular argument – the heating due to CO2 is often baked into the models that are then used to test with no CO2 heating.

So we have here that “it could have been much worse” in model land but reality has already shown you no it was a) never worse because if you had actually measured deaths from “Covid” properly you would have not seen a significant spike, and b) countries that didn’t lockdown have not done any worse so you haven’t shown significant effect.

The problem here is a common one: belief that models reflect reality without verification. The belief becomes self-perpetuating and acts like the lie that travels half way round the world.

389007 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mhcp, 10, #372 of 1724 🔗

At the moment SAGE is acting like some pagan high priest saying ‘the entrails told me that if we had not sacrified 10,000 children unto the gods, the gods themselves would have killed 20,000 in their wrath. All praise and thanks be unto me, who intercedeth for thee.’

389086 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to mhcp, 4, #373 of 1724 🔗

Which then falls into the obvious problem of why were temperatures higher in the medieval warm period, the Roman warm period and during the bronze age?

389189 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Stevey, 5, #374 of 1724 🔗

The Medieval Warm Period seems to have been, not airbrushed but finessed, out of history- just a localised phenomenon confined to N. Hemisphere, does not contradict The Settled Science, etc. I can’t recall the AGW-loonies trying to convince us that the Roman Warm Period never happened- perhaps I’ve missed it, perhaps they think it happened long enough ago to be safely forgotten. As for the Bronze Age- well; we might all be revisiting it sooner than we think.

388993 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 3, #375 of 1724 🔗

The government do not call them collateral damage. They call them indirect Covid 19 deaths.

389170 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cranmer, 1, #376 of 1724 🔗

I see it as primarily PR. They are concerned that the voices contending the severity of non-covid mortality and suffering will be listened to unless they can counter them with their own figures. They know from experience over the past 10 months that the majority of the population will trust what they tell them, no questions asked. So they have simply thrown in a few baseless figures to convey their ‘acknowledgment’ of the inevitability of negative lockdown impact in the belief that it will be enough to convince people who might otherwise have woken up to their lies and propaganda.

389634 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dodderydude, #377 of 1724 🔗

It stinks of the Nudge Unit.

388959 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #378 of 1724 🔗

I have a copy of latest Yougov poll questions

Do you agree with double masking?


Do you agree that double masking should be mandatory?


Do you agree that the borders should be sealed to prevent dissenters leaving the country?


Do you agree with detention without trial for dissenters?


Do you agree with the death penalty for dissenters?


Do you agree with life imprisonment for possession of a scrabble board?


388972 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 9, #379 of 1724 🔗

I honestly think that all bar the last tongue in cheek question would definitely get some takers. If they rephrased the last one to life imprisonment for playing communal board games during lockdown that might get the odd Covviloon agreement too.

388985 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #380 of 1724 🔗

Don’t forget to include ‘do you think that medical treatment should be denied to those breaking lockdown rules, for those who subsequently contract Covid’. That would get a LOT of support.

388991 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 3, #381 of 1724 🔗

90% easy.

389001 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #382 of 1724 🔗

‘Karma, innit.’

389088 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Cranmer, 8, #383 of 1724 🔗

I love engaging with people that like to push that point because the logical conclusion the their argument is ‘disband the NHS’. What they are pushing for (starting at covid) is a risk-based healthcare system as opposed to the universal one we currently enjoy*. Next stop, no lung treatment for smokers, no liver treatments for heavy drinkers. At this point I say what about Type 2 diabetes that consumes 10% of the annual health budget (including 60 planned amputations a day)? No type 2 diabetes treatment for anyone with a BMI over 25? Given that the person you’re speaking to is likely overweight, it shut them up.

* Maybe ‘suffer’ would be a better word.

389123 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 4, #384 of 1724 🔗

If the government wanted to keep this shitshow going for ever, they could permanently short staff the NHS by introducing a maximum BMI of 25 for NHS staff and claim that the NHS was under pressure due to not having enough staff.

389231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 2, #385 of 1724 🔗

Disbanding the NHS would be a good idea. It’s not like people are dying in the streets all over Europe because they have different ways of organising their healthcare from a 1950s-style bureaucratic national monolith that gets endlessly abused as a political tool and as a pretext for Stalinist interference in people’s lives.

389011 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cecil B, 3, #386 of 1724 🔗

It looks so ridiculous now. Almost as ridiculous as today would have looked a year ago.

389171 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #387 of 1724 🔗

Shome mistake surely.
The alternatives should be

389538 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 2, #388 of 1724 🔗

That last one is a bit extreme isn’t it?
The latest scrabble sets only contain 5 different letters now.

388962 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #389 of 1724 🔗

Lockdown Logic


Wearing a single mask has led to zero deaths therefore wearing two masks can’t improve on zero


People have decided they’ve killed enough wearing only one mask and will begin wearing two or more

389045 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #390 of 1724 🔗

There was a story of a man who was told that his new stove would only use half of the quantity of fuel as the old one. He bought two, so that he would need no fuel at all.

388965 Basics, 4, #391 of 1724 🔗


As I was saying, popcorn shortage in Scotland. Don’t let the tabloid delivery put you off. The fall is happening.

Also, the leaking to the EU is done at a time when the public government buildings in Edinburgh are flying the EU flag. Is this treason?

388984 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #392 of 1724 🔗

The Covid-19 ‘vaccine’ – A massively lethal experiment?

  • The COVID-19 vaccine really isn’t a vaccine in the medical definition of a vaccine. It’s more accurately an experimental gene therapy that could prematurely kill large amounts of the population and disable exponentially more
  • Many commonly reported side effects from the COVID-19 gene therapy “vaccines” appear to be caused by brain inflammation
  • Anyone with an inflammatory disease such as rheumatoid arthritis, Parkinson’s disease or chronic Lyme and those with acquired immune deficiency/dysfunction from any microbial pathogen, brain trauma or environmental toxin are at high risk of dying from COVID-19 mRNA vaccines


388995 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, 5, #393 of 1724 🔗

That includes any demyelinating conditions, including undiagnosed vitamin B12 deficiency.

388990 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #395 of 1724 🔗

Sneak preview from next years ‘A’ level science examination


‘Next year 200,000 people in the UK will die from not having sprinkles on their ice creams’


Please explain the science including models in support of your answer’

Please use both sides of the paper

389174 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 5, #396 of 1724 🔗

This examination paper is sponsored by Ice Cream Sprinkles plc.

389215 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 4, #397 of 1724 🔗

(A subsidiary of the Northrop Grumman Aerospace Defense Corporation.)

388996 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #398 of 1724 🔗

Just watched Dr Lee Merrit on YouTube. Sorry, don’t know how to link but can be found easily.
Watch before it is taken down.

389003 ▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #399 of 1724 🔗

Interview on 28 January ( The New American. com)

389004 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cathnotchas, #400 of 1724 🔗

All I can find is from 4 days ago with a Doctor Lee Meritt regretting a shortfall in delivery of further vaccines.

389073 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to karenovirus, 1, #401 of 1724 🔗

Have you now seen link from Basileus?

390492 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cathnotchas, #402 of 1724 🔗

Yes, thank you

389273 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to karenovirus, 1, #403 of 1724 🔗

This seems to be it. She seems pretty intelligent.


390493 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #404 of 1724 🔗

Three Dr Lee Merrits all involved with Covid vaccines ?

390271 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cathnotchas, #406 of 1724 🔗

Watched it the other day, it was fantastic – well worth watching.

388997 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 14, #407 of 1724 🔗

Russel Brand is not my usual Sunday morning choice of viewing but he fights the good fight.
Yesterday he aired his views about the Great Reset. It’s been seen by half a million of his 2.6m followers (+ me) just one day.

389370 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to karenovirus, 5, #408 of 1724 🔗

yes, we get some surprising allies, but now all prior differences are erased: – there is only 1 divide: those who support tyranny and those who support freedom

388998 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #409 of 1724 🔗

This twat is on SAGE and is getting a lot of coverage today.


Dr Sam Moore, a post-doctoral research associate at Warwick and one of the authors, said a number of “non-obvious” factors were driving the numbers.

“ “The vaccines are not going be 100 per cent effective at stopping serious disease. So if you manage to get, say, 85 per cent of people to take it and it turns out to be 90 per cent effective, that’s still 25 per cent of people who could die from it, which is a lot of people,” he said.”

Is he saying that the 25% of people that the virus won’t ‘save’ are ALL going to get Covid and are ALL going to die from it?

And we are paying him money for his advice? And I expect he’s getting a new pair of clown shoes and a squirty flower on the taxpayer, too.

389066 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #410 of 1724 🔗

“85 per cent of people to take it and it turns out to be 90 per cent effective…….,which is a lot of people”, to disappoint when you don’t lift lockdown and tell them they can’t go on holiday.

389198 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #411 of 1724 🔗

And yet again the presumption that everybody can get it and die of it. Sage were told at the beginning by Prof. Levit that this was NOT correct. I think the last conservative estimate was 30% of the population are immune either from t-cell or other sars immunity. Then you add the people in this country who have caught and survived cv19 so they are immune too. So why do you shit heads only presume people who have had the vaccine are the only people who have immunity? Why are reporter’s not challenging this bullshit. FFS do your job. If your premise is right why did everybody on the Princess cruise ship not die and why were the majority not affected at all?

389209 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #412 of 1724 🔗

Michael Levitt seems to have gone worryingly quiet of late.

389289 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #413 of 1724 🔗

Gupta too. They’ve been seriously got at.

389407 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #414 of 1724 🔗

Mind you Florida did take his advice and open up.

389287 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #415 of 1724 🔗

I keep trotting out the cruise ship thing. People just glaze over.

389000 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #416 of 1724 🔗

There isn’t enough money, real or imagined to keep this shit show going

389026 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #417 of 1724 🔗

I bet you my last can of baked beans that we will all be starving after a couple of years of this. No wait will you take something else? I need that.

389060 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #418 of 1724 🔗

We’re going into a Grand Solar Minimum according to NASA so famine is a likely scenario. Crop yields have been bad for the last couple of years. Watch Ice Age Farmer.

389078 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to this is my username, #419 of 1724 🔗

Never A whatsit what?

I am just off to rewatch all of those glorious hours of video of the ISS being built… no, wait…!

389002 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #420 of 1724 🔗

Schwab and the WEF are a mere distraction.

Watch this video. Scary, inspiring, thought-provoking:

389025 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #421 of 1724 🔗

Yes. A thought provoking angle. I believe corbett covered this recently too. Mark Windows has some good thoughts and insights to consider in relation too. Controlled opposition and distraction. Distraction from a future where less people will be alive and those who are do not have anything.

389069 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #422 of 1724 🔗
389010 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #423 of 1724 🔗

page 1 of 2

So, Christian Drosten – the German virologist who is responsible for the PCR protocol worldwide, is just another Neil Ferguson. A career littered with false predictions and failures. Perfect for the cult, then.

We made this video…


Once you click on the video link, Twitter then warns you Than ‘the link might not be safe’ – see screen print on page 2

389012 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #424 of 1724 🔗

page 2 of 2

Twitter warning

389014 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #426 of 1724 🔗

New published article Ionnaidis BMJ Global Health about shielding.Very complicated but in essence shielding is very difficult  in many parts of the world unobtainable but still worth following with realistic expectations. That’s my gist of it. Others more competent reading this article might find something else.


Precision shielding for COVID-19: metrics of assessment and feasibility of deployment

389046 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to swedenborg, 4, #427 of 1724 🔗

What doesn’t make sense is that they’re willing to enforce mask usage despite knowing the effects are miniscule and thus save hardly any lives. But are unwilling to do any form of targetted protection to save many more lives just because it would be too hard to protect everyone.

The strategy of making it less likely for people to catch the virus is negated by extending the time the virus is circulating so those they’re supposedly protecting eventually get infected anyway.

389051 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #428 of 1724 🔗

Easy! It all to do with control of the people – make them fearful and compliant. They do not care about the health of individuals or preventative health

389160 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, 1, #429 of 1724 🔗


389347 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nobody2021, #430 of 1724 🔗

There are some caveats in the article mostly describing the first wave. It is possible that the second wave might smooth out results a bit. The Hungarian figures in April were minuscule compared to their current death figures, doubt they would have the same.
 The interesting thing is his discussion about care workers. They seem to have higher levels of infection than the population in general and spreading the infection. Easily explained. Underpaid, foreign born, ethnic minorities in multi-generational household with more transmission. Explains the high transmission in care homes where they work as above. Belgium, Italy, Spain, UK and Sweden. And not in Norway, Denmark and Finland and many Eastern European countries

389208 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Victoria, #432 of 1724 🔗

Very good

389017 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 16, #433 of 1724 🔗

Re Carl Heneghan: was so pleased to see him back with J H-B. Probably just a co-incidence that I wrote to him 6 days ago saying how much we miss him. I also told him that the deaths on his CEBM website had not been updated and he told me the lady who updates them had had abuse on twitter. 3 days ago, I noticed the deaths had been updated with the author as Carl Heneghan. Probably another co-incidence but, if not, it shows that positive direct action can help. So, yes, let’s support each other here but also, let’s think of action which helps turn the tide. I’m keeping an eye on Tesco but it looks like their HO have seen the light – I’m now writing to Aldi with the same message; ask people twice about masks and you commit a criminal act under the 1997 Harassment Act. So guys, just get writing to your local stores!

389027 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bungle, 6, #434 of 1724 🔗

Maybe also challenge the ‘medical’ exemption posters/notification – they are actively misrepresenting the facts. There is no such a thing as a medical exemption, only exemption – the guidelines have not changed

389039 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, 4, #435 of 1724 🔗

From the horse’s ass mouth:-

When you do not need to wear a face covering In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.
Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
This includes (but is not limited to):

  • children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
  • people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
  • where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
  • if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate
  • to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity
  • police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public

There are also scenarios when you are permitted to remove a face covering:

  • if asked to do so in a bank, building society, or post office for identification
  • if asked to do so by shop staff or relevant employees for identification, for assessing health recommendations (for example by a pharmacist) or for age identification purposes, including when buying age restricted products such as alcohol
  • if required in order to receive treatment or services, for example when getting a facial
  • in order to take medication
  • if you are delivering a sermon or prayer in a place of worship
  • if you are the persons getting married in a relevant place
  • if you are aged 11 to 18 attending a faith school and having lessons in a place of worship as part of your core curriculum
  • if you are undertaking exercise or an activity and it would negatively impact your ability to do so
  • if you are an elite sports person, professional dancer or referee acting in the course of your employment
  • when seated to eat or drink in a hospitality premise such as a pub, bar, restaurant or cafe. You must put a face covering back on once you finish eating or drinking

And of course: Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

## if you are undertaking exercise or an activity and it would negatively impact your ability to do so## – I can’t concentrate on buying my groceries in a muzzle.

389059 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #436 of 1724 🔗

There is no law requiring you to wear a mask when entering a restaurant.


389114 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #437 of 1724 🔗

I’ve noticed that particular point about the police.
”police officers ….., given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public…
(though the words ”serve” and ”police” don’t sit well together in every situation.)

Yet the police are ALWAYS muzzled. Soon, no doubt, the muzzles will be black and threatening-looking, a required part of their uniform, instead of the usual bits of blue Chinese paper.

389628 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Victoria, #438 of 1724 🔗

Thanks Victoria, spot on!!!

389052 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bungle, 8, #439 of 1724 🔗

I noticed I had unfollowed Carl Heneghan without my knowledge

389076 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #440 of 1724 🔗

Peter Hitchens says that he accumulates followers during the day and ‘loses’ them at night.

389097 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Bungle, 3, #441 of 1724 🔗

Interesting. I got chased round the store (Tesco Belmont, HEreford) by the young male ‘greeter’ for my free-faced status. Told him I did not need a mask. Three aisles later I got hassled by the security guard. Told him the same. Half expected to see the police….

389626 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 1, #442 of 1724 🔗

Thanks M8,I’ll be writing to them threatening them for their criminal actions. If others post more crime, I’ll get on to Tesco HO again.

389221 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bungle, 3, #443 of 1724 🔗

So for presenting actual data you are abused on twitter! I wonder if they abused the fat pig dictator for his 100,000 deaths data? Wouldn’t the world be a lovely place if Twitter burnt down.

389018 alw, replying to alw, 6, #444 of 1724 🔗

The Official Estimate of the Collateral Damage
I think the official report lacks transparency and underestimates the damage caused by lockdown. I have no doubt that the virus is lethal for some of the vulnerable The governments worldwide have overplayed their hand by using excessive thresholds of the PCR to create a hugely inflated pandemic.

The truth is that there was never a question of whether this Government would impose another lockdown on the UK in 2021. Lockdown isn’t a consequence of the failure of coronavirus-justified programmes and regulations: it’s the product of their success in implementing the UK biosecurity state. After a brief summer recess under the system of tiered restrictions, the following winter will see the lockdown of the UK imposed again under newly notifiable diseases from new viruses and new strains, new protocols for certification and new criteria for deaths, the new medical categorisation of new cases which, like the present ones, present little or no threat to public health, but which like it will be used to enforce new technologies, new programmes and new regulations. This is the ‘New Normal’ we were promised, and it’s being built on a foundation of lies, damned lies and statistics.”


“And here’s the thing I can’t get past. The people who unfortunately die “with or from” Covid19 are, in the main, people close to end of their……lives. A not-untypical outline is of a person in their late-70s to their 90s, who already suffered from two or three chronic, serious & life-shortening illnesses. I can envisage such a person, perhaps in a care home, who through care & good luck, avoided infection in the..”. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1355489613926817794 )

389082 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 7, #445 of 1724 🔗

It’s all so obvious, isn’t it, that you’d think it wasn’t worth saying?
There seem to be no depths to which Johnson and his cohort will sink. Somebody must be making it worth their while, because none of them seem clever enough to devise it themselves.
How fiendishly clever to weaponise a virus, then to weaponise the health service, then to weaponise the ‘tracing’ of it, and so on.
To me, their biggest and most cunning weapon has been the wearing of muzzles. How easy it is, then, to identify the subversives and unbelievers.

389022 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 33, #446 of 1724 🔗

When they originally wanted “3 weeks to flatten the curve”, who would have thought it would turn into over a year and nearly as many people would die as a result of lockdown than they did from “the disease” itself?

Who would have also thought that it would be the end of western civilisation and meeting someone in the street would be against the law?

You’ve also got to love our brave boys and girls in the police force for policing this shitshow into existence. Their families must be so proud. (They’re only following orders apparently which makes it all OK.)

389064 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #447 of 1724 🔗

Well, never mind. If enough of them resign eventually there’ll be a good pool of recruits to be drawn from the newly-arrived ”residents” now living in those nice hotels.

389108 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #448 of 1724 🔗

Ah, ‘just following orders’…
Warum muessen diese Juden erschiessen, Herr Chief Superintendant?

389175 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #449 of 1724 🔗

‘Only following orders’ didn’t cut it last time at Nuremberg.
It won’t next time either.

389023 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #450 of 1724 🔗

Great video……

Hypocrite – A person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.


389043 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 6, #451 of 1724 🔗

The first disgusting turd of a person to hypocrite the lockdown – Catherine Calderwood* has just been gifted a £85k job with NHS Scotland. It pays to be morally defunct and a souless sociopath.

* it is a considered comment by some that her actions were deliberate to ‘bail’ from the situation she found herself in, at the top of the tree being applauded for her media performances lying about the plague. Her only way to escape was to be caught out and so resign. Quite a snake if true, her episode is really very strange indeed.

Whatever, she’s scum and still on the GMC books after a public behaviour display of prime untrustablility.

389055 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 3, #452 of 1724 🔗

Charlatan – a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill.

Especially those with a grandiose title who have no qualification or experience to back it up.

389079 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Banjones, 1, #453 of 1724 🔗

As many BTL experts are fond of saying- cite examples please! I’ll see you….and I’ll raise you a Jason Leitch.

389035 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 11, #454 of 1724 🔗

The Sun was shining on the sea
Shining with all its might:
It did its very best to make
The headlines clear and bright –
And this was odd, because they were
Mostly utter shite.

The Beeb was backing the government,
Because the licence fee
Was uppermost in their tiny minds –
Understandable really.
“We do not care what tripe we air –
Survival is the key.”

MPs were wet as wet could be,
Their powder was kept dry.
Barely an objection made,
Recovery wouldn’t fly.
No questions fluttered overhead
And no one wondered why.

The Bagman and the Journalist
Were walking hand in hand.
They wept liked anything to see
Such quantities of sand.
‘If this were only cleared away,
The public could be banned.’

‘If seven of our Mates with seven locks
Locked down for nine months of the year,
Do you suppose,’ the Bagman said,
‘That they could keep it clear?’
‘I doubt it,’ said the Journalist
And shed a bitter tear.

‘O Viruses, come walk with us,’
The Journo did conceive it.
The atmosphere was rather tense,
The Bagman did relieve it:
We cannot do with more than four:
The public won’t believe it.

The eldest Virus looked at him,
And looked long out to sea.
The eldest Virus winked his eye:
‘I’ve lost my potency.
The public don’t believe it now,
Retirement beckons me.’

389036 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, 10, #455 of 1724 🔗

But four new Variants hurried up
All quick to join the plot:
Infectivity enhanced, threat level increased:
Dissidents should be shot.
And this was odd, because nobody knew
If they were real or not.

Four other Variants followed them
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more and more and more –
Hopping through the tabloids,
BBC and Channel 4.

The Bagman and the Journalist
Walked on a mile or so,
And stood behind a lectern
Conveniently low:
And all the little people stood
And waited in a row.

‘The time has come,’ the Bagman said,
‘To talk of lots of stuff –
Of rules, and laws, and guidance,
And other posturing guff.
And whether we can keep the story
Going long enough.’

‘But wait a bit,’ the Public cried,
‘Before you give your blah –
Some of us have kids to feed,
And Zoom meets from afar.’
‘Don’t worry,’ said the Journalist,
‘I’m always en retard.’

‘A Mutant,’ said the Bagman,
‘Is what we chiefly need.
Vaccines and gene therapy
Are very good indeed.
And if you’re ready, Voters dear,
We can begin to feed.’

‘But not on us,’ the Voters cried,
Having turned (somewhat) Blue.
‘With such credulity, that would be
A dismal thing to do.’
‘Shut it!’ said the Bagman,
‘We’ve heard enough from you.’

389037 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #456 of 1724 🔗

‘It seems a shame,’ the Bagman said,
‘To play them such a trick,
After we’ve propagandised them
And made them look so thick.’
The Journalist said nothing, but
‘Who’s that fine young chick?’

‘I weep for you,’ the Bagman said,
‘I deeply sympathise.’
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those to transhumanise,
Pulling out a tissue
To Piers Morgan’s surprise.

‘Oh, Public,’ said the Journalist,
‘You’ve had a pleasant run.
Shall we go back to normal?’
But answer came there none –
And this was scarcely odd because
They’d ruined everyone.

389828 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, 2, #457 of 1724 🔗


390091 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Bugle, 1, #458 of 1724 🔗


389038 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #459 of 1724 🔗


I really cannot understand why the global world has not demanded a proper investigation into this virus. Was it an accident? Apparently they’ve closed down that fish market in Wuhan.

389044 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #460 of 1724 🔗

It was selling too many red herrings apparently.

389070 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #461 of 1724 🔗

Do you not recall that there was no proper investigation into the last pandemic, the 2009 swine flu?

389041 CrazyHoarse, 18, #462 of 1724 🔗

“More than 100,000 people are likely to die from non-coronavirus causes because of the pandemic “. Right because it wasn’t the crypto-fascists in the government that destroyed peoples livelihoods and their health it was the bogeyman I mean covid wot dun it

389047 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #463 of 1724 🔗

I think I found this link here originally. It’s the best analysis of the (non)efficacy of masks that I’ve read. Informed and detailed – from an expert.

389144 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Banjones, 1, #464 of 1724 🔗

Good article masks make things worse not better.

389242 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Banjones, 1, #465 of 1724 🔗

That is great. Clear and compelling and should be shared widely

389050 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #466 of 1724 🔗

Just read the article by Zahawi in the DT (while holding my nose). I wonder how far the new outrage at deaths of the elderly is driven (or at least exacerbated) by the inhumane rules we are living under. Zahawi, if human, will grieve the loss of a much-love family member. Would it have been less distressing if his uncle had been able to receive visits from his family and friends? If those family and friends were permitted to lay him to rest and celebrate his life and mourn together in the usual ways? I strongly suspect it would.

My parents are pushing 80 and thought they are both subject to polypharmacy, I would not describe either as frail. They are certainly not at death’s door. However, I understand that they will not be around forever and since we have a great relationship, it will be a terrible blow to lose them. What horrifies me is the thought of them being ill and afraid and alone before they shuffle off this mortal coil, me grieving in total isolation and not being able to honour their lives in the way I would wish. The rituals and habits around death in every culture have evolved to ease losses – they are for the living, not the dead. Does the removal of those rituals make the possibilty of death, even for the elderly less tolerable? Is the mawkishness at least partly a result of misplaced anger and helplessness?

389065 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #467 of 1724 🔗

This is very insightful and must have formed part of the SAGE behavioural insights sub-committee’s deliberations on how to elicit compliance, although I have not read anything on it in the published minutes.

389119 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #468 of 1724 🔗

What a horrific thought. Though I suppose no more horrific than many of the other attempts to manipulate the population. I can’t beleive it took me so long to notice the possibility that I suggested, though I suppose I should take comfort from the fact that my mind doesn’t work like a member of SPI-B’s.

389398 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #469 of 1724 🔗

The members of SPI-B’s are obviously the people who, when as undergraduates they found out about Asch, Milgram, Zimbardo, etc, they thought these were How to Control other People manuals and were excited at the prospect.

389072 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 27, #470 of 1724 🔗

One of the most despicable aspects of this whole business has been the lack of debate about what the possibly vulnerable and their loved ones actually want

I don’t know how I would feel if I were say 80 years old but I know what my mother in law feels and I like to think I know how my parents would have felt

The removal of human contact from the elderly and vulnerable, and making them live in fear, in their name, is repugnant

389098 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Julian, 14, #471 of 1724 🔗

My 94 y.o. grandmother goes to bed each night wishing she passes away in her sleep rather than continue living like this.

389107 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #472 of 1724 🔗

I would feel no different at 43, were it not for my dogs.

389196 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #473 of 1724 🔗

I suspect most of us on here feel like that Ewan.

389178 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #474 of 1724 🔗

Oh that’s awful. I feel so sorry for her.

389103 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #475 of 1724 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. At a friend’s funeral last year we had “the wake” in a nearby service station, says it all really.

389118 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #476 of 1724 🔗

In 2019 my 94yo Mum died in hospital, she had a fall, broke her hip picked up an infection and died of pneumonia. I miss her terribly, but she would have said she had “a good innings”.
At least we could hold her hands.
I’m sorry for Zahawi’s family but that is what happens.

389063 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #477 of 1724 🔗


389067 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Two-Six, 2, #478 of 1724 🔗

I’ll have what she’s having.

389136 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #479 of 1724 🔗

Visible in bottom left background!

389406 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Two-Six, 1, #480 of 1724 🔗

How come that Zoom lolly isn’t melting if it’s warm enough in her boudoir to show flesh?

389068 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 12, #481 of 1724 🔗

The government now admit, on their own website, that the PCR test is completely useless for detecting live infections.


When can we expect criminal charges to be brought for this whole scam?

389199 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ross Hendry, 3, #482 of 1724 🔗

Had it on a FOI answer from the DHSC back in August 2020.

Only a few social media sites put it up – Toby never did on here or even mentioned it in any of his other business interests either – but the lawyers have been very pleased when I sent it to them.

– supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.

SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present.

My highlighting above.

Says the same in test kit manufacturer’s technical documentation and in Government documents published on the gov.uk website.

No MSM media site will even answer an e-mail when I send it to them.

Wonder why?

And is it worth sending them it all again?

389716 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Awkward Git, #483 of 1724 🔗

I doubt it, unfortunately.

389080 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #484 of 1724 🔗

This is amazing. These are not cases. This is hospitalisations. They are following the exact pattern despite thousands miles from each other. This is the enigma with C-19(like flu), immunity whether adaptive or innate, models etc do not explain everything. There must be some outside factors climate/latitude etc involved. Why do all curves bend at the same time although masses of people without any immunity still at large? Why doesn’t the pandemic continue until most have been infected?


Covid is absolutely not seasonal or climate based whatsoever. Which is why states with similar climate zone breakdowns, separated by thousands of miles, follow nearly the exactly the same curves Nope, government policy and compliance, that’s all that matters

389081 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #485 of 1724 🔗

Here is the climte zones

389090 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #486 of 1724 🔗

And even using crude “cases” this patternt US,Canda,UK,Russia

389176 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 5, #487 of 1724 🔗

Yes, amazing graphs, which raise some very interesting, profound and potentially very informative lines of hypothesis, which almost no one is following, because they don’t want to.

389223 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #488 of 1724 🔗

If the seasonality is indeed down to latitude, what might be the factors driving the prevalence of the disease?

Genuine question.

Temperature, humidity (and hence people staying inside)?

Some triggering factor in the virus itself (hours of daylight, like much else in nature)?

The evidence for seasonality seems overwhelming, which leads to the obvious and fascinating question as to why? Surely (proper) scientists must have thought about this?

389084 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 15, #489 of 1724 🔗

People on here routinely baulk at suggestion that this tyranny is deliberate, trying to maintain the impression that politicians are implementing communism due to bad advice.

Another of the many predictions that has led to accusations of ‘lunatic conspiracy theory’ appears to have come true: https://www.tended.co.uk/social-distancing-solution

Social distancing technology is no longer a crazy thing of science fiction. Currently this is being used by businesses, but you can guarantee an equivalent will appear in shops.

Yet, still, many on here, very much including authors of this site, will prefer stick their heads in the sand and reject the reality of the Great Reset Initiative.

389105 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to J4mes, 8, #490 of 1724 🔗

The Conservative government is implementing communism?
Have you not noticed that the major beneficiaries of the responses to the coronaviruses are the globalist billionaires?

389115 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #491 of 1724 🔗

It might better be called oligarchical collectivism. Not communism as we have always understood it, but a form of technocracy. If you think our conservative government is conservative, tell me what they are conserving? They are destroying this country, and it can only be deliberate at this point.

389134 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #492 of 1724 🔗

yes, I’m not sure ‘communism’ is the right word for what’s happening – ‘fascism’ is a better fit, but I think ‘totalitarianism’ is the best, or just ‘tyranny’

389163 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #493 of 1724 🔗

Transnational corporatist totalitarianism. Personally, I too would use the f-word to describe it, JH.

389249 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Steve Hayes, #494 of 1724 🔗

A conservative government implementing the hardest form of socialism this country has ever had inflicted upon it. From a social perspective, it ticks all the communist boxes, perhaps from an economic perspective it looks fascist. However, I agree with others in that Technocracy also describes this control system. It’s basically a cluster-fuck of socialism.

389378 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to J4mes, #495 of 1724 🔗

Socialism for the globalist billionaires?

389110 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to J4mes, 2, #496 of 1724 🔗

Better still, contact B.F.Finlayson & Co, experts in PPE, and for only £10,000 they will provide an ultra wide hoop to suspend around your waist using recycled materials and special suspenders that attach to a hat with built in snot visor. The hoop will be custom made to your measurements, giving a full 2m clear around even the biggest beer belly so you don’t fall foul of any legal challenge over your social distance*.

For an extra £1000 you can order our sonic hoop to which jingling bells will be attached to warn of your approach.

(*) Whether 2m social distancing is measured from head to head or body to body has yet to be clarified).

389111 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to J4mes, -6, #497 of 1724 🔗

That’s because a few simple questions such as “why?” “How?” Etc will demolish this silly idea instantly.

389200 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to concrete68, 11, #498 of 1724 🔗

How is easy.Claim we are under threat from an unknown virus.Scare the populace with fake numbers and follow the example of CCCP China in locking up the population to protect them.Subject them to nightly scare stories wrapped in officialdom.Keep the populace cowed and serparated,make it illegal to meet and organise.Then make up a totally new threat which justifies continual lockdown while injecting an unlicensed potion into them.
Remember this is uniform across the Western World.
Why is a lot harder to work out,
But money,power ,control would be a starting point.

389113 ▶▶ Julian, replying to J4mes, 6, #499 of 1724 🔗

“Bad advice” – sorry but that seems like a straw man argument to me – who exactly says the advice is merely bad? I think most on here feel it’s dishonest and are well aware of many agendas that are making this worse

I’m aware of the Great Reset initiative, as are most others. Our differences are over the extent to which it’s a driving factor and the mechanisms by which it influences or controls government

389292 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Julian, 2, #500 of 1724 🔗

Take a look at yesterday’s ‘and finally’ cartoon, just for a quick example. You’ll see the subtle and perpetuating effort to portray this as politicians taking bad advice. Even Bob Moran’s cartoons infer political stupidity as the cause. Take a look at Peter Hitchen’s blog/Twatter, he continuously calls this a political cock-up.

389319 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to J4mes, 2, #501 of 1724 🔗

Don’t forget the Opposition’s collusion in advancing statism while simultaneously claiming incompetence, happy to make things worse to precipitate crisis so they can ride to the rescue. Vide USA.

389343 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #502 of 1724 🔗

Perfect example, thank you.

389137 ▶▶ Basics, replying to J4mes, 9, #503 of 1724 🔗

The incompetence theory is long since dead. Don’t mistake the use of incompetence to carry forward a trend or direction of travel. The incompetence always always works in one direction.

389157 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, -2, #504 of 1724 🔗

What “incompetence theory”? Who advocates this, where? “Incompetence” vs “Global conspiracy” is a false dichotomy

389087 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #505 of 1724 🔗

Carl Heneghan, Oxford professor of evidence based medicine, says his fellow academics “are too scared to come forward” and “have been silenced” during the pandemic:

Too scared, what of? His poor fellows have been silenced by whom, and how? What a load of drippy frit wimps these academics are. If they had a job collecting rubbish in freezing temps for just a month on a minimum wage maybe their ‘courage of conviction’ might miraculously return.

389092 ▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 17, #506 of 1724 🔗

If he loses his job or funding he is less effective in the fight against the madness. I think some tactical awareness is fine, unless it leads you to going along with downright lies. I think CH has played his hand very well.

389131 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Julian, -4, #507 of 1724 🔗

Ah-ha, the old “I’m better being on the inside influencing things” argument, beloved of the LibDems when in coalition. I don’t buy it, never have.

389151 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #508 of 1724 🔗

He’s hardly on the inside of anything, but his position gives him a platform that we would not otherwise have, and to an extent the fact that he has remained non-partisan and not openly taken sides lends weight to his case and makes him harder to attack

389177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Julian, 8, #509 of 1724 🔗

It also gives credability to what he researches – don’t underestimate the University of Oxford as an endorsement to what he finds and publishes. Whilst some of what he does will not gain traction at the moment, it will in the wash-up of this period of history.

389219 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Julian, -4, #510 of 1724 🔗

He’s hardly on the inside of anything

Oh, come on, who are you trying to kid?

389141 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 1, #511 of 1724 🔗

Then why is HE not afraid? Why make excuses for people who don’t have his moral compass – or his influence? Perhaps he knows where enough of the bodies are buried to make him fireproof.

389155 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Banjones, 5, #512 of 1724 🔗

I don’t know if afraid is the right word – I think the suggestion was that he was being more circumspect and less outspoken because he was aware his position could come under attack

389158 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Banjones, 3, #513 of 1724 🔗

Quite possibly he does know where the bodies are buried. Or he has made a killing on the stock market, or has a partner with a generous income, or can revert to working as a GP full-time if necessary. Most people put their own survival and that of their families first and I don’t judge them for that. Some people are extraordinary and will put principles above all else, but most of us are not extraordinary. At least I’m not.

389095 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 12, #514 of 1724 🔗

Many scientists have made the same claim in relation to Climate Change, and they have produced evidence to support the charge. The notion that the same process is happening in relation to the coronavirus seems highly credible. We have certainly censoring of experts who are critical of the dominant narrative.

389106 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #515 of 1724 🔗

On climate change, The Science Is Settled, on COVID, The Science Is Settled.
COVID, brought to you by the same shysters that brought you climate change.

389145 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 2, #516 of 1724 🔗


Over a century of settling ‘the science’.

389117 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #517 of 1724 🔗

then it’s not science – it’s dogma. There is no place for a priesthood in science. there is no place for a Holy Book. Every scientific discovery, up to and including Einstein’s, is only good until it’s proven wrong. It remains open to be tested against reality for all time. probably in due course it is the fate of every discovery [up to and including Einstein’s] to fail that test. We will never ultimately know Reality, we can only strive towards it, our knowledge can never be anything other than provisional and expedient. Science, and the scientific method, are a by-product of Christian philosophy and ethics

389100 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #518 of 1724 🔗

don’t worry, it will come to that, most likely – and they’ll count themselves lucky for having a job at all

389101 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 11, #519 of 1724 🔗

Losing their livelihood and future career and being ostracised, I assume. And ending up collecting rubbish in freezing temperatures (though in the current climate even getting a minimum wage job is not a certainty). I too long for more academics to speak out but it’s easy for me to expect others to make personal sacrifices when it’s not my head on the block.

Universities have been intolerant places for years. Diversity of opinion is not welcomed. This is just an extension of that phenomenon.

389116 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #520 of 1724 🔗

Universities used to have tenure. Academics could say unpopular things and not be sacked. Overall, it was a superior system to what replaced it.

PhD students didn’t have job security but once you became a lecturer you did.

389128 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John001, 4, #521 of 1724 🔗

Same with clergy. I know one vicar who openly supported Trump and Brexit. I asked him in astonishment how he got away with it. ‘Tenure, dear boy!’ was his answer.

389143 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Cranmer, 3, #522 of 1724 🔗

This sums up tenure


The UK abolished it in 1988, i.e. the reason academics can’t speak freely any more is That Bloody Woman (my explanation for many ills in modern society).

389120 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #523 of 1724 🔗

Universities have been intolerant places for years.

And frit academics looking the other way or failing to speak up encourages the intolerance. Curious that deontology doesn’t get a look in.

389126 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #524 of 1724 🔗

I suspect that part of the problem is that early career academics hope that once they achieve some status and sense of professional security they will be able to express ideas freely. Unfortunately by then it is too late for most.

389150 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #525 of 1724 🔗

If academics want a safe career and mortgage then they should work in the private sector or the civil service. As academics they have an ethical responsibility to speak out on matters within their expert remit, and that goes beyond their work contract or mortgage.

389169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #526 of 1724 🔗

How does working in the private sector or civil service absolve anyone of ethical responsibilities? Does this mean that a career in academe is only open to those with a private income?

389214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Charlie Blue, #527 of 1724 🔗

How does…?

It doesn’t, but the specific deontological responsibilities of an academic is well established, as with many professions that have to incorporate supra-clientele obligations.

Does this…?

Of course not, but you seem to be suggesting that telling the truth is incompatible with receiving a university salary. Surely not?

389121 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #528 of 1724 🔗

They’ve probably seen the film The Lives of Others, and remember the Stasi senior officer who, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, was reduced to delivering junk mail to earn his living. If you’re on the wrong side in a regime change, you can fall very far.

389104 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #529 of 1724 🔗

Easy for you to say but if your job or advancement are on the line and you have a family and a mortgage…

389112 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #530 of 1724 🔗

Been there, done that. They are frit.

389267 ▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #531 of 1724 🔗

Would be really interested to hear your story as you mention you have been through putting your job on the line – if you’ve successfully come out the other side it might inspire others to do the same.

389306 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to TJS123, #532 of 1724 🔗

Lying to obtain personal info? Tsch, tsch!
Coming ‘out the other side ‘ is a simple matter of honouring an ethical obligation, not needing to be inspired to do so. If academics don’t realise this, then they forfeit the right to be called academics, or treated as such. The same obligation applies to politicians and other professionals.

389091 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #533 of 1724 🔗

Run as many hares as you can

“Today children we will be looking through the round window

Oooohh!!! and what do we see through the round window? Why it’s the entirely fictitious figures for collateral damage

Johnny pay attention”

“Sorry Miss I’m still going through the entirely fictitious Covid figures”

“Keep up Johnny we are not doing those today, try and forget you ever saw them”

389183 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cecil B, 1, #534 of 1724 🔗


‘Vacvine Wars’ is another hare. Keep the plebs occupied with jingoism.

389094 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #535 of 1724 🔗

It looks as if the covid ‘cure; will be worse than the disease, much worse.

389168 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to DanClarke, 1, #536 of 1724 🔗

Just as they use a worst case scenario to justify their actions, government collateral damage estimates will likely use underestimated figures to paint them in the best light.

389096 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 28, #537 of 1724 🔗

I think Prof H is spot on. It is not possible to survive in the academics world unless you are prepared to lie and fabricate evidence

389135 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 9, #538 of 1724 🔗

Many have said this, that it’s dog eat dog. And that even poor reviews of work, etc, are better than nothing so long as it gets your name noticed.
Which is why retired people like Dr Yeadon are worth listening to, because they’re not in anyone’s pocket or reliant on those with a bigger axe to grind.
And this writer too, I daresay, on the subject of muzzles:

389140 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Banjones, 1, #539 of 1724 🔗

Ditto with retired weather forecasters!

389167 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 1, #540 of 1724 🔗

Identical to the world of professional cycling.

389147 Ozzie, 11, #541 of 1724 🔗

Good grief! I just found this comment below the FT article about Mark Harper:

On a separate note, it strikes me that the market is likely to be more vulnerable to any easing of the crisis than to a worsening. Easing will result in an end to furlough and resulting layoffs. A worsening will probably mean additional government intervention and more cash in the system. Those of us bouncing high on bubbles should beware of good news.

Better keep the lockdown going then and the government magic money tree from dying due to over cropping.

389148 Dorian_Hawkmoon, 13, #542 of 1724 🔗

Gosh, that pic. Witless, Clueless and Valueless

389153 Ozzie, #543 of 1724 🔗

FT commenters seem to be primarily pro-lockdown (Mark Harper article). I can’t work out how to create a free account on the FT so that I can post some opposing comments and upticks to sceptic comments – anyone know if it is possible?

389166 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 10, #544 of 1724 🔗

“It laid bare the unintended consequences of lockdown in detail, but stressed that the overall death toll would be far higher without the draconian restrictions.”

Which is completely disproved by the examples of those American states that either didn’t lock down or imposed only few restrictions, e.g., Florida, Texas, South Dakota. Their deaths per 100,000 is lower than the national average, and noticeably lower than states such as New York, California, which imposed draconian measures.
In addition, those states are in a far, far better position economically, with jobs increasing in number, compared to what we’re about to face with 800,000 already unemployed, far outstripping the number of deaths.
Lockdowns and mask mandates have made no difference to the virus trajectory, but they’ve destroyed many lives and livelihoods for years to come.
If it wasn’t so hot and humid there, I’d move to Florida or Texas.

389172 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to LMS2, 4, #545 of 1724 🔗


Tom Woods:
“Awesome charts for you today.

First, the ol’ California vs. Florida issue again.

The best the excuse factory has been able to do is to pretend that Californians aren’t complying with the regulations or they’re not staying home. Why, they’re still going to restaurants! This is supposed to be why California is doing worse than Florida at the present moment.

In fact, the evidence is the other way around….”

Worth reading the rest of the article.

389179 ▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 2, #546 of 1724 🔗

And Sweden

389187 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to LMS2, 4, #547 of 1724 🔗

India is now the enigma (not really an enigma) that lockdown advocates must try to explain.

389207 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #548 of 1724 🔗

I haven’t looked into India in depth but could it be age related?

India has more than 50% of its population below the age of 25 and more than 65% below the age of 35.

389276 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #549 of 1724 🔗

India though has large absolute numbers of older people and a large number of diabetics, and its covid numbers have been falling constantly for months.

I think your median age for India is too low, but even if it isn’t your numbers would still give 450 million Indians over the age of 35.

389181 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 17, #550 of 1724 🔗

Some good videos have been published on Telegram of encounters with the police during the Great Reopening yesterday. The small size of the protest (about 80 businesses in the UK) meant they were easy targets for the police. Businesses were advised by the organisers not to break the law but to work within the law, eg for a hairdresser’s to run educational workshops or make instructional videos with paid actors, etc. It’s the equivalent of chalking V for Victory on walls in occupied France, but it’s a start, and serves to confuse/harry the enemy.

Also, if, and I stress if, we are on the road to totalitarianism, we will need local, real-life contacts, because sites like this could be turned off at any time. For that reason alone its worth getting in touch with like-minded people in your area, either via the Great Reopening or similar groups.

389188 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cranmer, 10, #551 of 1724 🔗

So agree with this.

389197 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 5, #552 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely. If this shitshow isn’t used to justify draconian controls on the Internet, it’s only a matter of time before something else will be.

389272 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cranmer, 4, #553 of 1724 🔗

“Also, if, and I stress if, we are on the road to totalitarianism, we will need local, real-life contacts, because sites like this could be turned off at any time.”


389182 davews, replying to davews, 8, #554 of 1724 🔗

Just back from our regular church Zoom service. In the sermon our minister suggested that these days being old is seen as an advantage in that it is a ‘badge of honour’ to receive your jab. It seems not only has everybody been scare stiff by the narrative but have similarly been indoctrinated that the jab is the ultimate solution. You could tell it on the faces of those who had already had it. I had to keep quiet but wanted to scream out.

And in the prayers ‘we pray for all the covid deniers who are not following the rules and remind them they also have a duty’. Crikey.

389213 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to davews, 5, #555 of 1724 🔗

Go to a proper church.

389225 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to davews, 8, #556 of 1724 🔗

And I just got back from real church where the Pastor dismissed human interventions as a distraction from the real business of the Church and preached about Psalm 62. You need to find where your nearest Dissenters are!

389269 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to davews, 2, #557 of 1724 🔗

How can you put yourself through that?

389284 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to davews, 4, #558 of 1724 🔗

Seen a few churches with signs outside saying “open all day for private worship” but when I’ve had to stop nearby and had a nosey there was music being played and what looked like someone leading the prayers at the front.

389302 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to davews, 3, #559 of 1724 🔗

Don’t worry. The ‘Vaccine Macht Frei’ message is the only one that has got through to the pearl-clutchers. They don’t understand detail. When they discover it doesn’t then the edifice might start to crack.

389883 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 1, #560 of 1724 🔗

How can you stand it??

390422 ▶▶ DomW, replying to davews, #561 of 1724 🔗

If you attend again check the minister’s Zoom background closely for upside-down crosses.

389185 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #562 of 1724 🔗

How ironic that someone violated lockdown rules to vandalize the Long Man of Wilmington with a pro lockdown message…

389244 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #563 of 1724 🔗

not necessarily pro lockdown . at christmas we had posters in the park with cartoon pictures of rudolph and other reindeers .. I was severley tempted to paint masks on them – showing the obsurdity of mask wearing .
also, if the “vandals” had been paid to do it , then they would have had a reasonable excuse to leave home – ie work . or exercise – it is a steep hill and would be a good cardiac workout

389299 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #564 of 1724 🔗

might have been sarcasm.

389886 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #565 of 1724 🔗

I took it the opposite way, as two fingers up to the NPIs.

389186 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #566 of 1724 🔗

I note that the government is trying to cover its back by the claim :

the number of virus deaths could reach 122,000 by the end of next month…”

Pure bullshit.

Reworking the 2020 figures for all cause mortality, and knowing the massive degree of misattribution caused by the registration process, the PCR+ 28-day definition, and the mysterious decline in other causation – the actuality will be far lower. Apart from the April spike, 2020 showed an absolutely normal range of mortality (27-year baseline).

389195 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #567 of 1724 🔗

Apart from the April spike, 2020 showed an absolutely normal range of mortality (27-year baseline).

There is likely to be a large excess of all cause mortality in January.

389205 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 3, #568 of 1724 🔗

January 2020? Or are we having a 13month year?

389232 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Charlie Blue, -5, #569 of 1724 🔗

I’m not sure why the calendar year is relevant here. Virus transmission might be a influenced by seasonality but this is still the same virus that was circulation in 2020. Excess Mortality in January was likely triggered by infections in December.

I mean, of course, January 2021. There was also an excess in December 2020 but January is likely to be higher.

389246 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 5, #570 of 1724 🔗

Again that meaningless term : ‘excess’.

There was no unusually high mortality in December 2020. I have the figures in front of me.

389288 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -4, #571 of 1724 🔗

Normal is generally defined as within 2 sd of the mean. (Z <= 2)

For most of December Euromomo Z-score for England was over 6 (and increasing) which Euromomo defines as a moderate excess .

389270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 3, #572 of 1724 🔗

I confess I’m being a little pedantic. Rick was making a statement about 2020, so your comment was something of a non-sequitur, imo.

We have to have some way of employing units of time to help us assess the data. And 12 months covers all seasons. If, as I am inclined to believe, the virus is endemic, then we will just be counting cases and associated deaths ad infinitum and the numbers have no meaning and no context.

389295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Charlie Blue, -3, #573 of 1724 🔗

I confess I’m being a little pedantic. Rick was making a statement about 2020,

Yes – I get that but he was using 2020 to imply that the virus mortality was confined to April only. I think he’s wrong.

389337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 2, #574 of 1724 🔗

The idea that unhelpful government interventions have created a crisis out of nothing is a plausible one. The hospital clearances of March 2020 were manifestly disastrous.

Let’s wait for January and February details before jumping to premature conclusions.

Fewer beds, fewer staff, again as a consequence of government interventions, mean that the elderly and infirm are now currently only being given palliative care……..and it is within those age groups that most mortality is occurring……

389265 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #575 of 1724 🔗

No, but the clocks have been striking thirteen for a while.

389206 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 3, #576 of 1724 🔗

Which there is every January.

389218 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #577 of 1724 🔗

I’m guessing Mayo means seasonally adjusted excess i.e. high for January. Which it probably will be. But of course the important question is what happens overall, not just in January, and how many of any excesses are caused by lockdown and financial insanity.

389224 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, -3, #578 of 1724 🔗

The excess is RELATVE to January. In other words, mortality will be higher than a ‘normal’ January.

389253 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #579 of 1724 🔗

What do you mean ‘normal’?

Mortality varies in both the long and short term. Currently we are in the upswing of a sine-wave shaped pattern after a 10-year period of unprecedentedly low mortalty.

389271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -2, #580 of 1724 🔗

Age Standardised mortality has been trending down for 50 years and more. Yes there are the odd blips because of, e.g. large flu outbreaks but there is no reason to believe mortality follows a sine wave.

389236 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #581 of 1724 🔗

The term ‘excess mortality’ means nothing. It’s an elastic ruler, often calibrated to the last 5 year average. Meaningless.

Early January saw two weeks of relatively high mortality – but lower than some previous years since the 1990s. Mortality usually peaks around this time. It doesn’t alter the overall picture, and will be partly the result of the hiatus in registrations over the holiday period.

Then, of course, there is the whole problem of misattribution – so that we will never know what is causing deaths.

… which suits a lying government narrative, of course.

389262 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 5, #582 of 1724 🔗

I think it quite possible that 2021 will have substantial excess mortality, as the consequences of the virtual closure of the NHS in 2020 begin to be be felt – eg delayed cancer screenings and treatment.

Psychological stress and social isolaton will alo be killing – literally – people from now in.

Of course many of these people will be PCRed positive many times in the weeks before they expire, providing the system with many more ‘covid deaths’.

389193 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #583 of 1724 🔗


Why are these pricks being treated with kid gloves when anti lockdown protestors are physically beaten up?

389275 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #584 of 1724 🔗

Because they don’t represent the same threat.

HS2 will go ahead and there is little to stop it in its tracks (if you’ll excuse the pun). The tree and tunnel protestors have never won (c.f. Twyford Down, Newbury by-pass, third runway etc), they have just been removed. There is also a lot of sympathy for them (including mine).

By contrast, the anti-lockdown protestors threaten the whole covid narrative and have little public support. This leaves the nastier elements of the police free to indulge their more animal instincts.

389430 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Portnadler, 2, #585 of 1724 🔗

It’s their demand that it should be scrapped and a third of what HS2 costs should go to the NHS instead.

Have they been living in that fucking tunnel for the last year???

389549 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #586 of 1724 🔗

Oxygen deprivation is causing them to suffer delusions.

389202 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 9, #587 of 1724 🔗

Just came across the following:

As another example of easing away restrictions, Estonia announced yesterday that anyone who’s had Covid in the past 6 months or has received a vaccine will no longer have to:

– Self-isolate after coming into contact with a positive case (otherwise its 10 days self isolation)

– Self-isolate when traveling into the country (again 10 days otherwise)

Its not full normality but a step in the right direction in my view. And hopefully soon enough we can do away with all these restrictions for everyone.

389495 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ozzie, 7, #588 of 1724 🔗

I actually see that as quite sinister and a move toward vaccination or health passports, NOT a step in the right direction.

389899 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Trout, 1, #589 of 1724 🔗

And how do you prove you’ve had it if you didn’t get tested?

389203 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 26, #590 of 1724 🔗

Russia is the only country with some intelligence left in Europe. They are just coming down from the peak and they are already stopping many restrictions. They obviously must have taken the decision that seasonality is involved and the trajectory will follow as usual.

If you look at the graph below for the other human beta corona viruses, we have and Sars-Cov-2 will be the third beta coronaviruses. They peak in Dec and Jan. The other 2 HCoV later in April.

Why did the pandemic start in April? The first time a new pandemic virus strikes it could be anytime of the year just like influenza. The real first deadly wave of Spanish flu hit in September, very early for flu viruses (the discussed first wave has never been proven). It then quickly followed a seasonal pattern.

You could lift all restrictions tomorrow, open all schools etc, throw away masks live normally. It is coming down. Human can hardly control anything and only marginally,if at all.But we are going to have enormous restrictions and paying for them without any benefit at all. It will come back next season with a mutated ,vaccine resistant form and affect some people next winter.


389241 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to swedenborg, 4, #591 of 1724 🔗

Russia is the only European country not in the American sphere of influence.

389256 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #592 of 1724 🔗

Plus Belarus.

Of course Sweden never joined NATO.

389282 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, #593 of 1724 🔗

Strange that

389383 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to swedenborg, 3, #594 of 1724 🔗

I agree, and have been arguing (and predicting) this behaviour for some time, including other forums. The mapping of Covid figures onto annual seasonal flu trends amounts to cynical disinformation by the government, with the ‘second spike’ last September being perhaps the most blatant sleight of hand to date. At that point I am certain there would have been a collective holding of breath by SAGE to see if MSM would call their bluff – but no, nobody bothered checking the ONS.
And likewise, as I stated only yesterday on here, deaths from respiratory infections (whether called C19 or whatever…) & new supposed infections are about to start their early springtime tumble regardless of lockdowns or vaccines. So it is now just a matter of which propaganda machine will (in the manner of Columbus & the eclipsed moon) claim the spoils, don’t hold your breath.
It is so blatant, yet no sceptical op-ed or expert is prepared to go ahead of the curve, stick its/their neck out and head off the next wave of disinformation.

389216 RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #595 of 1724 🔗

Oh fuck.

Even Private Passions on Radio 3 is deep into Covid hysteria.

Is their no escape?

389309 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to RickH, 3, #596 of 1724 🔗

Not on the BBC, not even on R3 unfortunately. I’ve got sick to death of being told that people are “observing social distancing”, or that a concert was recorded before covid etc. I’m left shouting at the radio – “oh do f**k off, just give me the music and the intelligent comment, otherwise get out of my ears!”

389410 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #597 of 1724 🔗

I tend to agree with you. The amount of self-regarding continuity rattle is a pain in the arse. My spirit lifts when one of the skilled old school like Sean Rafferty is on duty.

But – the music makes it worthwhile.

389510 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to RickH, #598 of 1724 🔗

Indeed, he and a few others are safe hands and good company. R3 though does sometimes feel like a training school for female presenters.
(My current pet hate is the seemingly ubiquitous Georgia Mann- ə , with her extraneous schwa sounds and breathy delivery like a third-rate impersonation of Victoria Coren-Mitchell!)

Well, the sun is trying weakly to emerge so maybe it’s time I went to sit on a park bench with a takeaway cup of tea.

389795 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, #599 of 1724 🔗

Don’t really like Sean Rafferty, too fond of the sound of his own voice. And my organist friend says he doesn’t know much about organ music. My favourite is Donald McLeod on Composer of the Week.

389903 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #600 of 1724 🔗

Not if you listen to the beeb!

389217 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 41, #601 of 1724 🔗

Over heard an old girl this morning saying “I’ve not seen my son for months” I jumped in pronto ,”why” I said ,”because it’s the rules” after our long talk together she’s just been round to see him and feels great about it.. Fuck the guidelines simple..

389229 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #602 of 1724 🔗

Exactly, Bruce.
If the “rules” are working, how come there haven’t been mass infections among shop staff and their customers but outbreaks in care homes.

389907 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fingerache Philip, #603 of 1724 🔗

Because shop staff tend to be at least 30 years younger than care home residents?

389222 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -29, #604 of 1724 🔗

Re: Vaccines.

We only have patchy evidence of the effectiveness of vaccines – some of which is conflicting, e.g. no decline in infections/deaths (or none that appears related to vaccine rollout) despite studies showing vaccines are 50% plus effective after first shot.

I wonder if it’s possible that the vaccines are effective – for younger people, e.g. under 65, but efficacy declines with age. This does seem to fit with what’s being observed ( which is not much).

If this is, in fact, the case, it means vaccination will need to be targeted on the young as this is the only way to achieve herd immunity.

389233 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mayo, 17, #605 of 1724 🔗

You don’t need a vaccine to achieve herd immunity.The virus hardly affects the young.

389316 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to jonathan Palmer, -13, #606 of 1724 🔗

But it does affect the old – AND some young.

If the young are vaccinated and/or infected (and recovered) it can’t reach the old

389331 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 9, #607 of 1724 🔗

But surely more efficient to let the virus pass through the young to generate immunity that will protect the vulnerable elderly, while focussing protection on the latter? If only some medical experts had come out with a proposal along those lines….

AND some young

Any reason to assume that the effects on the minority of the young who are seriously impacted will massively outweigh the inevitable (probably rare, but not necessarily so, long term,we don’t know for certain) negative impacts of any vaccines?

Immunity from natural spread is after all achieved at much lower levels of prevalence than by vaccination.

389525 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 2, #608 of 1724 🔗

Even the “vaccine” manufacturers don’t claim that the “vaccine” will stop transmission.

389824 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, 1, #609 of 1724 🔗

ah, but something’s going to reach them – the older you get, the closer you get to death. so far, nobody has avoided it, and perhaps it’s better to be taken by a swift respiratory virus than some other more slow-burn deaths …Alzheimer’s, many forms of cancer, the point is not to try to prolong your miserable existence at any price, but to live each day you are blessed with to the full, literally as if it were your last

389234 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 9, #610 of 1724 🔗

Haha. Sure thing, boss. I hope you know no-one here takes you seriously. The downvotes aren’t even a sign of annoyance, we are just laughing at you.

389320 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to jb12, -9, #611 of 1724 🔗

Try following the argument rather than make stupid knee-jerk comments.

389388 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 7, #612 of 1724 🔗

I can follow your argument. I don’t believe it was made in good faith, and if it was, it isn’t worth engaging with seriously as it is based on 4 (by my count) faulty or false premises: i) That the clinical trials (such as they were) were set up to measure vaccine efficacy – they weren’t, they were set up to measure how effective vaccines are at reducing positive PCR tests – thousands of negative or untested subjects presenting with symptoms were excluded (which is even more comical when some of those in the positive test group had no symptoms!); ii) That you can measure vaccine efficacy in the under 65s when relatively few are either affected by Covid or have been vaccinated; iii) That you cite herd immunity as a phenomenon manifested exclusively via vaccination; and iv) That vaccines that were not created to reduce transmission can even bring about herd immunity in the first place.

389240 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mayo, 17, #613 of 1724 🔗

Is this where we are at now? Fucking winging it, one year on. Maybe it’s this, maybe it’s that. This might work, this might not.

Fuck off.

389330 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tom Blackburn, -10, #614 of 1724 🔗

What are you on about? I simply said that if vaccine is going to be effective then vaccinating the young might the only way to achieve it.

What’s your big thought for the day?

What solutions do you have in mind?

Still think IFR is 0.1% do we? It’s only a cold, perhaps?

389390 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 3, #615 of 1724 🔗

Yes, remarkably similar to some other endemic common cold coronaviruses.

‘Between 2013 and 2017, 16 225 cases of SARI were reported in RS; 9.8% of the patients died; 20% of all fatal cases were patients without comorbidities and for whom no pathogen was detected using standard protocols. Analysis of 271 of these cases identified HCoV in nine cases; HBoV, hMPV, and rhinovirus were detected in 3, 3, and 10 cases, respectively. Of note, patients infected with HCoV were adults. Results reinforce the importance of including coronaviruses in diagnostic panels used by official surveillance systems because besides their pandemic potential, endemic HCoVs are associated to severe disease in healthy adults.’


389451 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mayo, 4, #616 of 1724 🔗

Still think IFR is 0.1% do we? It’s only a cold, perhaps?

Seems pretty plausible. After all if the current estimates for the UK are 0.5% based on what appears likely to be a five times overcount of deaths actually attributable to covid (based on Swedish and Italian examinations of the numbers), that gets you straight to 0.1%.

And we know that the “pressure on the NHS” is basically due to the panic response as much as to the underlying numbers. What would the impact have been in previous bad flu seasons, when we’ve had panic stories about “NHS overwhelmed”, patients in corridors etc, if they’d been pcr testing for influenza, telling staff to self-isolate for any positive, and trying to run parallel systems based on the test results?

The data is so corrupt that it’s probably impossible to say anything with real confidence, though.

389531 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 4, #617 of 1724 🔗

Solutions? Stop testing, ramp up healthcare facilities, mandate diets for NHS staff to bring their BMI down (disciplinary action if not achieved) and open up society.

389702 ▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Mayo, #618 of 1724 🔗

I believe one country, Indonesia, if I recall rightly is vaccinating the young first.

389834 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, 1, #619 of 1724 🔗

yes, for most people, it IS only a cold, precisely. most people who claim to be suffering from ‘covid’ are hypochondriacal malingerers, who need to stop feeling sorry for themselves, and attention-seeking behaviour, get their fat (in most cases) asses out of bed, and get back to work. problem solved in 99.9% of cases – the other 0.1% being those who had one foot in the grave in any case.

389250 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 1, #620 of 1724 🔗

It seems possible, doesn’t it? But that approach will only help if the jabs prove to significantly reduce transmission. We won’t know that for a long time, not will it be easy to rigorously assess the impact of seasonality and other measures to apportion credit to the jabs that is valid, should we see a substantial drop in the Ill and deaths over the next year.

If vaccinating the vulnerable means they are much less likely to have serious symptoms that require critical care, then does her immunity matter? Just thinking out loud.

389313 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Charlie Blue, -9, #621 of 1724 🔗

It seems possible, doesn’t it? But that approach will only help if the jabs prove to significantly reduce transmission


389344 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mayo, 2, #622 of 1724 🔗

big If ..looking forward to some genuine proof – ie .not government fiddled figures

389260 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Mayo, 4, #623 of 1724 🔗

All age groups having adverse reactions. The vaccine needs to be stopped.


389310 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to this is my username, -11, #624 of 1724 🔗

Millions vaccinated – some adverse reactions. The latter is a tiny, tiny fraction of the former.

389322 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 9, #625 of 1724 🔗

The media and governments have lied, lied and lied again. Why should we trust anything they say about adverse reaction statistics?

389333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JHUNTZ, -9, #626 of 1724 🔗

The US CDC stats are updated regularly.

And if you don’t trust what they say then you don’t have any data on which to base any argument.

389346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 8, #627 of 1724 🔗

I am in the below 65 age group. My argument is the risk of the virus is less than the vaccine. My additional argument is any data the government provide I do not trust.

I do not trust the CDC. Obviously, you do which you are welcome to do.

389647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 1, #628 of 1724 🔗

Finally you got there……

389399 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mayo, 6, #629 of 1724 🔗

CDC (US) 2.7%


389910 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, #630 of 1724 🔗

you mean like the tiny, tiny fraction of so-called ‘covid’ patients who kick the bucket?

389280 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #631 of 1724 🔗

this is the only way to achieve herd immunity.”


Clearly, the autumn showed a high level of population immunity, with mortality in the normal range – despite the fairy stories.

389303 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -4, #632 of 1724 🔗

It’s NOT in the normal range when the transmission->infection -> death time lag is taken into account.

This is one of the reasons why I’m pretty sure that the first lockdown didn’t have any effect.

You can’t have it both ways. The longer lag strengthens the anti-lockdown case.

389291 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Mayo, 10, #633 of 1724 🔗

We only have patchy evidence of the effectiveness of vaccines – some of which is conflicting, e.g. no decline in infections/deaths (or none that appears related to vaccine rollout) despite studies showing vaccines are 50% plus effective after first shot.

If this is true, then the whole shebang is up the creek. But I think you are right – it isn’t looking good.

If this is, in fact, the case, it means vaccination will need to be targeted on the young as this is the only way to achieve herd immunity.

Strange logic: the obvious course of action is to abandon vaccination. As someone once observed, vaccination is unnecessary on the young and doesn’t work on the old.

389308 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Portnadler, -15, #634 of 1724 🔗

But if the young were vaccinated it would (very probably) provide protection to the old.

That’s what herd immunity is about.

389312 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mayo, 6, #635 of 1724 🔗

Most of the young have probably already had it without realising and don’t need a vaccination. Antibody tests might be more to the point.

389340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to redbirdpete, -11, #636 of 1724 🔗

Most of the young probably haven’t had it.

There you go. I can play that game too. If we believed Yeadon, Sunetra Gupta & Jon Ionnadis most of the young had it by the end of April. Utter BS.

389355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mayo, 2, #637 of 1724 🔗

Well, certainly lots of people had it in the early days who were never identified as having it. I’m probably one, since the people who I caught it off have been subsequently tested and are producing antibodies.

I’m not playing any games, this is deadly serious, but the government statistics for the early days are necessarily useless because no-one was being tested. And people who have no symptoms are mostly not going to be tested – how the heck are they supposed to know they need testing?

I was trying to reply to you sensibly but there is no point if you are going to take that attitude.

389394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #638 of 1724 🔗

government statistics for the early days are necessarily useless because no-one was being tested.”

Since when, testing has emerged as a major problem, not a solution.

389386 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #639 of 1724 🔗

Sorry. As one of the ‘vulnerable’, I’m not taking any old snake oil that is offered by a combination of political and financial vested interests whilst the manufacturers duck liability for the consequences.

To accept such ‘assurance’ goes against proper scientific assessment.

A ‘very probably’ based on hot air isn’t a risk assessment.

389914 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #640 of 1724 🔗

You wouldn’t want the snake oil jabbed into your kids either!

389542 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 1, #641 of 1724 🔗

Repeat from me due to a repeat from you. The “vaccine” manufacturers do not claim that the “vaccine” prevents transmission.

389297 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 7, #642 of 1724 🔗

Mayo, could you tell me what your favoured strategy is for ensuring that the lockdowns are ended and never seen as an option again?

389342 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #643 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think lockdown should be used anyway.

389368 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 1, #644 of 1724 🔗

Yes, you have said before. But, my question was: what is your strategy for ending the lockdowns and ensuring they are never again seen as an option? I really would like to know.

389318 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 5, #645 of 1724 🔗

Why have the young at neglible risk of the virus to take the experimental vaccine? We’ve already had the experimental lockdown and it’s shit.

389348 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JHUNTZ, -11, #646 of 1724 🔗

Ok – fine. I’m just saying it’s the only way herd immunity will be reached in the shortest possible time.

389363 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Mayo, 11, #647 of 1724 🔗

Bollocks is it. If I had a choice in front of me of getting my household “vaccinated” with an experimental, untested concoction, or being deliberately infected with SARS-COV-2 and spending two weeks isolating at home, I would choose the latter in a flash. The chances of it killing any of us are close to zero, and the chances of lasting damage to our health is negligible. Natural immunity is also always going to be superior. The risk of vaccine damage is unknown, but early evidence is looking worrying.

389376 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #648 of 1724 🔗

Only if the vaccine does what it says on the imagined tin. For which, by definition, there is no convincing evidence, to the extent that the original claims have already been downgraded.

389527 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Mayo, 3, #649 of 1724 🔗

Sweden, Belarus, and now India would say otherwise.

The quickest route to herd immunity would have been to provide public guidance based on proper science, not to impose any restrictions, not to have a PCR test (or restrict it to symptomatic illness), and not to have track and trace in any form.

389349 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Mayo, 3, #650 of 1724 🔗

To my surprise, I would have given you an uptick based upon the first two paragraphs. Unfortunately, the last paragraph undid the first two, and then some.

389375 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 6, #651 of 1724 🔗

Even the government has backed down on vaccines. They are no longer the magic bullet and they need a new paddle to get out of their shit creek.

389377 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 5, #652 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think it is morally or ethically right to vaccinate the young, who have negligible risk from the virus, with new vaccines that have not gone through the usual rigorous safety tests – nobody knows if there are long term effects of these vaccines to the immune system or anything else.

If the vaccines are ineffective in the at risk age groups, would a far better approach not be to use effective treatments for the at risk groups – unfortunately there is no money in this….

I have a lot of respect for your opinion but I believe your suggestion is the completely wrong way forward – the immune systems of the young is not for scientist to mess with – scientists do not have all the answers!

389494 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, #653 of 1724 🔗

How are you defining herd immunity? Do you mean R stays below 1 for some stable period of time, or do you mean eradication?

389813 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mayo, 1, #654 of 1724 🔗

why do young people need a vaccine? just let them acquire herd immunity naturally, ie by letting them catch this cold. nobody needs a vaccine except the grifters who are cleaning up from this scam

389227 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #655 of 1724 🔗

The Metro: “The public should not be made to feel guilty over 1,00 000? deaths by Covid (Look him in the eyes, etc emotional blackmail propaganda) as narrated by Sean Bean ( used to like him: no more).
Another crack appearing?

389239 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #656 of 1724 🔗

To be fair, Sean Bean has died 100,000 times.

389245 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #657 of 1724 🔗

In Sharp?

389419 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #658 of 1724 🔗

not even in Sharpe. in that he is indistructable. but in almost everything else he gets killed
a bit like a Star Trek “red shirt”, you know his character will die .
Still waiting for him to die in a horrific electric kettle incident whilst making a cup of tea or having a 5G mast fall on him

389328 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #659 of 1724 🔗

I thought that the narrator in the “ look him in the eyes” advert was Iain Glenn. He played Sir Richard Carlisle in Downton Abbey, a nasty character who used blackmail to make people do what he wanted them to do. Has he been typecast?

389933 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Margaret, 1, #660 of 1724 🔗

yes does sound like Glen. Definitely not Bean

389230 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #661 of 1724 🔗

The steady march towards zero covid fascism?
Interesting piece on RTE called “Draconian measures help China suppress Covid-19”. It summarises many of the terrible “measures” in China that we have heard about before. It ends with an Irish Teacher who was evacuated from WUHAN in January 2020. He appears to be promoting the Chinese approach for Ireland. Is this article aimed at further softening up of the population to accept zero Covid as promoted by bio-fascists such as Tomas Ryan, Gabriel Scally, Gerry Killeen, Anthony Staines and others? The piece above the line on Canada is terrifying. Perth goes into immediate lock down for one “case”. What kind of world do these insane morons think people will accept?

A few reminders from this article of what zero covid / zero tolerance means in China:

  • When pupils tested positive, a school’s entire student population and teaching staff were moved into 17 different hotels for quarantine – their families and close contacts placed under medical observation.
  • In the wake of the outbreak, in what might be called a belt-and-braces approach, Beijing authorities added an anal swab test to their armoury of Covid control measures.
  • Lockdown means people cannot leave their homes. In several cases, doors have been welded shut, sealing residents inside.
  • During the recent outbreak in Hebei, which saw 22 million people confined to their homes, a pensioner who broke the rules to go out to buy a pack of cigarettes was tied to a tree and berated by village officials.
  • Residents who test positive aren’t permitted to recover at home but instead removed by medics in hazmat suits to isolation facilities.
  • Even young children with Covid are routinely separated from their parents, as in the case of an eight-month-old breastfed baby in Beijing.
389237 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to godowneasy, 10, #662 of 1724 🔗

Ireland seems to have gone completely insane.

389238 End of Tether, 12, #663 of 1724 🔗

I’m sure this must have been said before but every time I hear the word efficacious, which is often at present, I think of Lily the Pink and her miracle cure. There are lots of similarities between the claims of Lily’s medicinal compound and the “vaccine” touted by Hancock.

“Let’s drink, drink, drink
To Lily The Pink, the Pink, the Pink
The saviour of the human race
For she invented Medicinal Compound
Efficacious in every case”

389247 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 59, #664 of 1724 🔗

This week’s thoughts and observations by Mrs Awkward who has been out and about with me nearly everyday for the past 2 weeks (some generalities I know and some people especially on here may be in the categories mentioned but we are the minority):

  • it’s the over 60 perpetually terrified, more affluent, reasonably secure financially, scared of dying, want to live forever, trust the BBC, indoctrinated by the propaganda lot who are keeping the fear going
  • the young are just too indoctrinated when in the education system to question anything and just go along with it
  • the “look them in the eye” advert has pissed a lot of people off
  • social media being censored big time as son keeps proving to her with his running battles with facebook (and he does win 90% of the battles against trolls, fact checkers etc).
  • more people know of someone who the NHS has failed than know someone who has died “with covid”
  • the “save the NHS” mantra has worn thin and been overplayed
  • factories, builder’s merchants, building sites may have all the signs up about social distancing etc but no-one bothers with it and gets on working as normal
  • big job losses coming as she has heard the yard workers asking me about being self-employed and this is happening more frequently plus factories turning out the same goods with a lot less staff, offices nearly empty but functioning more efficiently and so on
  • she cannot understand why dentists are so anal about letting you in the door (but becoming less and less stringent), opticians are a bit hit and miss, GPs I can just normally walk in and hospitals don’t normally bother challenging me and my free-face. I 2 weeks was only asked to put on a mask once, said I can’t wear the surgical masks so I’ll use my loose neckerchief which was fine. I was going into the operating ward pre-op area so they wanted something “just for the look of it” and not risk the “patients grassing us up”.
  • more shops are adding the “unless exempt” phrase on the new signs, especially the larger chains.
  • more people out and about with the exempt yanyard son
  • more people asking us what the exemptions are instead of looking them up for themselves
  • people, even our pro-lockdown, full pay on furlough neighbours are getting pissed off and says it must all end and go back to normal
  • why are so many ambulances driving round within the speed limits, no effort being made to weave through traffic with blue lights on? Why was one crew while driving on blue lights laughing and drinking from big takeaway coffee mugs.? Didn’t look or act like they were on an emergency call that was for sure.
  • Where are all the queueing ambulances at A+E departments?
  • Why are all the testing centres empty?
  • Where are all the vaccinations taking place?
  • why are the roads so busy if it is essential travel only and nowhere to go anyway?
  • is the narrative changing as the “news” seems to have more and more “pandemic/lockdown/NHS being closed caused this” stories rather than “we’re all going to die, do as you are told” ones skirting the OFCOM Notice to Broadcasters from 23/03/2020
  • staff just going through the motions, doing the bare minimum, couldn’t give a flying fuck about doing a good job, demoralised by management and all the “covid safe” idiocy of testing, possible vaccinations and the masking at work.

She’s really enjoyed being out and about even if it is tiring her out – all for her mental health as she was very depondenta nd depressed before, big improvement in her in recent weeks.

Business opportunity? Buy another van and get people to pay me to come out on the rounds for their mental health. Possible winner if this keeps up?

Now all we need she says is for this to be over, travel abroad without restrictions begin again and I can go back to me normal job and she can spend 4 months a year on a beach in the tropics.

She’s realised that it won’t happen without a fight so she’s moaning a lot less about the time I spend with FOis, writing letters to Ministers etc and generally annoying the “experts as that is my part of the fight at the moment.

389362 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #665 of 1724 🔗

You are a one off ‘Git’ – Thanks for your real life observations.

389382 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steeve, 3, #666 of 1724 🔗

No, he isn’t the only one. There are at least two of us.

389393 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #667 of 1724 🔗

Two Gits – Great! any more out there?

389372 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #668 of 1724 🔗

Take umbrage with your first line!

  • I am over 60
  • on a private pension
  • have 4 of the comorbidities linked to risk of dying from cv19

and I absolutely do not agree at all with anything that has been done since 10th March 2020.

So, it’s not us older people happy with this over-reaction by a demented media, a bunch of inhuman scientists, and a cowardly government (worldwide as well as local). Plus all of my fellow humans who (excepting the few sceptics on here) who appear to have frazzled their brains in going along with this group-think lunacy.

Stereotyping is not a good thing!

389384 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Alan P, 8, #669 of 1724 🔗

I am over 60 too. Share your sentiments. I have no comorbidities and I’m not on any medication and I am fit and well. Neither the husband who is also fit and well with no comorbidities and I agree with any of this. I grew up in apartheid South Africa and know what standing up against crap government is all about. I am not cowed by the virus or the government.

389799 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to alw, 5, #670 of 1724 🔗

I wouldn’t support any of this shit even if we were dealing with ebola or bubonic plague. life has to go on. people die, shit happens, everyone needs to man up

389600 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Alan P, 4, #671 of 1724 🔗

As I said, there are generalities but some on here will be in the demographic but not of the demographic.

389610 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #672 of 1724 🔗

Few questions:

who are most likely to be alone in a car with a mask on?
who are most likely to be wearing a mask when walking outside?
who are most likely to swerve aside to avoid you like the medieval leper with a bell that you are?
who are most likely to be wearing surgical gloves out and about?
who are most likely to confront a non-mask wearer or at least mutter under their breath loud enough to be heard?
who are most likely to be queueing for vaccines?

From my first hand encounters in the past 11 months it’s the top demographic I said – but as I also said “some generalities I know and some people especially on here may be in the categories mentioned but we are the minority” – forget to read that bit did you?

389254 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #673 of 1724 🔗

having a scan through the government analysis


“Overall, we estimate that there will be a 1.3m QALY loss as a consequence of the pandemic induced recession. Depending on the severity of the recession, these estimates range from 160,000 to almost 1,875,000 lost QALYs. ”

I think this analysis is heading in the right direction

389259 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #674 of 1724 🔗

but not there yet – maybe when they ‘update’ some of the numbers in the summer, they will realise lockdowns are terrible but ‘given the information we had at the time…..etc’

this is the start of a get out (hopefully)

389255 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 30, #675 of 1724 🔗

Part 1 of 2: Last night, I spotted a random comment on YouTube which described Lockdown Sceptics as a ‘limited hangout’ . While this is not accurate and may have been a troll, at the same time, I know I’m not alone in having reservations about the direction this site seems to have taken.

For example, here are my musings on today’s post and some of the comments:

The story about the person’s problems with masks in the NHS: If this is genuine (no reason to think it isn’t), why is it Above The Line (ATL)? While this has always been a welcome, safe space for people to sound off about bad experiences and even have a good moan, express despair etc, I think giving it so much prominence turns it into fearmongering.  For sure, a bum deal with the NHS is common now but not all NHS doctors and nurses are mask-zealots and not everyone gets treated like that.  If it’s reported ATL it should be a call to action – give the name of the hospital, the NHS trust, even encourage us to challenge it.

As for BTL:

I think this site is infiltrated by some subtle trolling. There are very few obvious ‘flamers’ but several posters promote hopelessness and helplessness in the guise of reporting genuine problems. The other technique is to set a hare running about some aspect of the ‘narrative’ e.g. numbers, deaths, ‘Long Covid’, symptoms etc. which is then instantly ‘attacked’ by someone demanding proof. It seems to be 2 or 3 people/bots working together This is guaranteed to waste enormous amounts of time as genuine people try to ‘set them straight’ and it’s really hard to separate the genuine from the 77th bots.

Another kind that arouses my suspicion is the inconsistent type. They establish themselves as ‘one of us’, often with problems, and then, out of the blue, they start attacking posts at random. They may be genuine people with mental health issues but please consider the possibility that some of these IDs could be operated by a team and not by a real person at all.

Today’s posts: The Great Re-opening: Of course it was a failure. It got no publicity to speak of and using Telegram doomed it to obscurity. The ATL writers disdained to touch it, just like the rest of the MSM. KH1485 is absolutely right to defend business owners. Unless they could be sure of supportive customers they were certain to get harassed by the police and shunned by the fearful majority. Plus there is the risk of a hefty fine. I was intrigued to note that she says a lot of her local shops are ‘hobby’ businesses. That’s very true in the High Peak, where many are owned by ‘dandelions’ (a word for my LS ‘Polari’ list, I realise – thanks Annie!) who treated you like a bio-hazard if you tried to shop there. An example is a small cafe which couldn’t have been viable even in the Old Normal but which is currently closed ‘until infection rates fall’. I ask you! Those who responded to KH about the furlough and other payments are right. While people are comfortably furloughed/pensioned/WfH there is precious little chance of this movement gaining traction.

Then Annie got piled in on for expressing her refusal to give in to the nonsense. I’m with Annie. Yes, we’re in a totally unjustified and vicious lockdown with no end in sight. If you haven’t worked out by now that we are supposed to be in despair about this, to give in and get seen off by a very suspect injection, I am not sure what you are doing on Lockdown Sceptics! We are at war with what used to be our Government and we will not win it by giving in to despair. No, of course we can’t force our shops and other public amenities open. But we can keep talking, keep questioning, keep going out, keep sitting on a bench and drinking coffee (you don’t get done, honest!) and keep smiling. It is not easy, it is probably going to get worse but we are in this for the long haul. Trolls, shills, 77th apart we’ve got each other and that is a blessing.

Finally, the friends and family who don’t want to know you or your views. In the sleepless early hours, I started a list of everyone we’ve pissed off in the last year and it is quite long. My greatest triumph was the The Whole of Stitch-and-Bitch including people I thought were friends. However here are some chinks of light: (Positive Part 2 follows): MW

389324 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #676 of 1724 🔗

Indeed, MW. In fact, the most hysterical response to the ‘Great Reopening’ idea was from a woman who owns a beauty salon. If she needed the money, she wouldn’t have said what she did. And despite what my MP says about ‘government support’ what we have received (which I realise is more than others have) doesn’t touch the sides of what we have lost.

And, re your points about trolls, I’ve started to be a little more circumspect about what I post – though it may not look like it! I hope I can suss who is genuine and who might have an agenda. And I also have to consider the views of my business partner: to use a footballing analogy, he is the Peter Taylor to my Brian Clough!

389350 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 4, #677 of 1724 🔗

Well said there, Brian! ‘We talk about it for 20 minutes and then we decide I was right!’

Long ago, when Cloughie was manager , I watched Cardiff lose at home 2-0 to Forest. Afterwards, the disconsolate Cardiff fans trooped out muttering darkly, ‘Should have been 3-0, should have been 4-0’ etc. Imagine that in a Welsh accent for full effect (not affect 🙂

All power to your elbow, KH! One day, we will be in SW, enjoying a coffee at yours. MW

389385 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #678 of 1724 🔗

I posted on here the other day about the brilliant film I Believe in Miracles, all about BC and Forest. It is one of the most uplifting films I have ever seen and it has a stonking good soundtrack too.

Thanks MW. Your last point is one of the things keeping me going. Already met a few people from this site and they have been lovely to us.

389771 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #679 of 1724 🔗

I’m always amused when football fans or managers who have lost heavily by X-0 add the line “And we were lucky to get nil”.

389352 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #680 of 1724 🔗

Don’t feed the trolls.

SS (77th) seldom add anything to the debate.

389258 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #681 of 1724 🔗

An opportunity, surely, for Neil O’Brien to convince people of his case? A challenge to be seized. Alas, Neil O’Brien didn’t see it that way
He’s frit! The [dis-]Honourable [un-]Gentleman’s frightened!

What a thoroughly contemptible scumbag O’Brien is! The very epitome of what floats to the top in our system – and it ain’t the cream.

389261 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 16, #682 of 1724 🔗

Agree. If these MPs are so bloody sure of their position, why the hell aren’t they getting out into their constituencies and making their cases (at a respectable social distance of course!). Because they are bloody frightened, that’s why. Easy to pontificate when you’ve got the state machinery behind you/protecting you. Go out into the real world O’Brien, go on, I bloody dare you.

389389 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 1, #683 of 1724 🔗

I have often thought this when seeing politicians in the US attended town halls with the public to hear views on certain subjects. This has been the most important issue in their careers and local politicians just work via twitter. No visibility at all.

389278 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 12, #684 of 1724 🔗

Neither him nor his website can has answered any of my facts with any sort of rebuttal – ditto for my MP, the PM, hancocok, Walport, Sridhar, Andy Street etc.

They have nothing of substance on their side so keeping quiet and hoping us sceptics go away?

Looking froward to FOI answers from teh H+SE and Governemnt Legal Deaprtments then if I get the answers I expect I can have lots of fun and games.

Will keep you all posted.

389397 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #685 of 1724 🔗

They’ve got links to Full Fact as their sources for christ sake.

389263 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 25, #686 of 1724 🔗

“Without lockdown, another 97,000 would have died from this winter alone, the report said.”

Completely unsubstantiated speculation.
And entirely debunked by the Swedish example, figures and experience.

389285 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JayBee, 8, #687 of 1724 🔗


They’re getting away with making claims that are demonstrably, provably false.

389305 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JayBee, 5, #688 of 1724 🔗

quoting directly “There could be an additional 97,000 excess direct COVID-19 deaths (Category A)”

which means they are leaving the number open to later update. I assume it comes from Imperial and will just be debunked by data

389402 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JayBee, 4, #689 of 1724 🔗

It’s not just Sweden anymore, there are plenty of other places showing similar results after opening up.

389264 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #690 of 1724 🔗

Dear Deirdre

I have a confession to make

I do not understand Stockholm Syndrome

Upon release by a gang of armed bank robbers my first and last inclination would be to kick the shit out of them

Is this normal?

389294 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #691 of 1724 🔗

Love that scenario !! I’m with you !!

389266 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 27, #692 of 1724 🔗

Part 2 – Chinks of Light in the Gloom:

One of Alan’s evangelical Christian brothers who has been super-hostile has shown signs of coming round. This is a credit to AlanG who has refused to give up on the 2 of his 3 brothers who have responded in a seriously nasty manner to him when he sends them information about the scam.

I talk regularly with one of my oldest and best friends. She is nothing like sceptic but we are able to talk about how crap things are. I think the trick has been to ‘agree to disagree’ so we’re still mates and I’m pushing gently at the door. . .

We have started using a new off-licence. He has never made a murmur about our bare faces and we’ve got talking. It has been like the Rake’s Progress. He is well on his way to scepticism now.

The greengrocer who used to scream hysterically at us that ‘people have died!!’ He no longer does this and we’ve been able to slip in some pretty strong scepticism in conversation which he no longer challenges. He acts like our best mate now.

I have met a few of the Stitch-and-Bitch around and they’ve all been absolutely fine with me. Some of them have even expressed sceptical views!

All is nowhere near lost. La lutte continue! Forward fellow sceptics – stay loud and proud. MW

389298 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #693 of 1724 🔗

Open the pubs and this scale of conversion would be multiplied a hundred fold.

389323 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PastImperfect, 16, #694 of 1724 🔗

Why do you think they are closed?

389327 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #695 of 1724 🔗


389329 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #696 of 1724 🔗

Which is why pubs remain shut. They could never come up with any evidence they were sources of infection but they sure as hell as sources of discussion and debate.
We’ll only get them open if someone like Tim Martin decides to open all Wetherspoons. He should jump on it as soon as the seasonal peak is behind us and all over 70s have been offered the vaccine, (probably plus 3 weeks). They have no excuse then but I bet they delay.
Are you listening Tim? We need you.

389371 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #697 of 1724 🔗

I missed one off: We had some ‘Back to normal’ cards on the table when we were writing Christmas cards. AlanG randomly stuck 1 in the card to some old mates. We got an email from him thanking us as he ‘thought he was going mad’. We emailed him back to reassure him and sent him some links. He sent us some recent photos of his lovely paintings. All good, really. MW

389268 Will, replying to Will, 18, #698 of 1724 🔗

I have to say that the EU hasn’t half made an absolute fool of itself this week. I just came down on the side of voting remain in 2016 but with little enthusiasm and I had little issue with accepting the referendum result but the EU’s behaviour in the last week has proved the Brexiteers right with bells and whistles on. I wonder whether this could be used to advance the cause of lockdown scepticism?

389311 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 4, #699 of 1724 🔗

More rejoicing in Heaven, etc.

I wonder whether this could be used to advance the cause of lockdown scepticism?

Let’s hope so, but it’s helping push the Holy Vaccine Saviour cause atm, as far as I can see, and imo that just cements the “lockdown until vaccines ride to the rescue” narrative and policy solution, forever.

Our best hope seems to be that the vaccines might have questionable efficacy.

389403 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 4, #700 of 1724 🔗

Push is going to come to shove in that regard next week. I do think there is mileage in encouraging the middle class virtue signallers to forego the jab in favour of vulnerable people overseas. I got a couple of thanks for a piss take along those lines on Friday and lo and behold the WHO came out and said the UK should pause the vaccine roll out to free up supply in other countries.

389334 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Will, #701 of 1724 🔗

In what sense has it proven brexiteers were right given that this Brexit government is the shittist in living history ? It’s a trade spat of which there will be many many many more to come. That’s the legacy of Brexit, even when covid mania is over this will go on for all our lives..

389380 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to concrete68, 7, #702 of 1724 🔗

In what sense has it proven brexiteers were right given that this Brexit government is the shittist in living history ?

In the sense that Will wrote it, obviously. That it confirmed the noxious nature of the EU regime.

For any who were pro-Remain out of any kind of naive idealism about the EU regime, these events (and many more, much worse, to come, as the superstate project unravels over the next decade or two) should have disabused them.

And let’s just remember that this panic and lockdown is (at the least) just as enthusiastically supported both by remainers as leavers and by Labour (both Blairite and Corbynite) as by “Conservatives”. This last year would have been no better under any available government or referendum result.

389392 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to concrete68, 3, #703 of 1724 🔗

Macron’s threat to close the borders unless the UK locked down might have been swept under the carpet but that was as significant a factor in the UK entering lockdown in the first place.

389444 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to concrete68, 3, #704 of 1724 🔗

Not answering your question directly, agree our govt is the worst possibly in all of recorded history in the UK, but think the same could be said of France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc etc. And further afield, various US states, countries in South America

Nominal political stripe doesn’t seem to make much difference

389710 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to concrete68, 1, #705 of 1724 🔗

I can’t understand why anyone gives a fuck about brexit/the EU now…it is yesterday’s problem, and means nothing in the light of the horror which is presently engulfing us….soon the UK/the EU won’t even exist in any sense that we would recognise, FFS

389274 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 65, #706 of 1724 🔗

In primary care the powers that be directed very early that ” hot patients ” need to be triaged beforehand to be seen separately in areas with rigorous rules with regard to cleaning and social distancing The days when the waiting room would be full of coughing old fellas and screaming kids with earache disappered overnight. Not having a family of 6 kids in my consulting room some of whom would jump up and down on the scales and proceed to open every cupboard was a little silver lining in the clouds. Just the mum and one child please.

So I do a ” hot clinic ” where those with possible Covid from symptoms are seen by me and examined. I have done this from March last year. To keep the powers that be and their informers ( other patients and staff ) happy I don the prescribed PPE. Sometimes my hot patients arrive by Taxi, sometimes they walk., sometimes on the bus, sometimes their partner drives them. What is always noticeable is their chauffeurs show little concern about this ” deadly virus ” . They are probably also immune to the media hysteria.

Not one of the patients I have seen in the hot clinic have needed admission or even discussion with the medics in the DGH. It is and has remained a nasty virus for those very frail or with significant morbidities. In this collective hysteria we seem to have lost a sense of proportion.

389296 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Peter Thompson, 20, #707 of 1724 🔗

Brilliant! This is the sort of post that should be Above the Line, in my opinion. MW

389277 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 16, #708 of 1724 🔗

Covid lockdown/hotel quarantines etc.


“Indefinite and prolonged solitary confinement in excess of 15 days should also be subject to an absolute prohibition, he added, citing scientific studies that have established that some lasting mental damage is caused after a few days of social isolation.”

“There is no universal definition for solitary confinement since the degree of social isolation varies with different practices, but Mr. Méndez defined it as any regime where an inmate is held in isolation from others, except guards, for at least 22 hours a day.”

How many people in the UK have been subject to this for nearly a year now? How many will have to endure this in quarantine to get back to the UK? It’s unconstitutional.

389281 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to this is my username, 2, #709 of 1724 🔗

Does Mr Mendez have care home residents In mind?

389387 ▶▶ Annie, replying to this is my username, 5, #710 of 1724 🔗

Actually it’s torture.

389279 frankfrankly, 10, #711 of 1724 🔗

Neil O’Brien says that Prof. Carl Heneghan’s views are well-known, which is untrue. It is amazing that someone who worked for a Thinktank doesn’t understand that all evidence and hypotheses must be questioned. That lockdown ‘works’ seems to fit the evidence, but there are other hypotheses which do and each must be rigorously tested. He is preventing that.

The irony is that the policy which N’OB supports is going to destroy his and his government’s reputation. He has no defence against against the Owen Jones narrative of ‘Thousands of lives have been lost because we locked down too late’ because he believes lockdown works. So why didn’t his government do it earlier and harder? Ergo, he and it have killed thousands. He doesn’t seem too bright, but I fear my MP thinks like him and I’m sure many do.

389293 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 27, #712 of 1724 🔗

I can t believe i now live in a world where a Russell Brand podcast (unbelievable, it s excellent) offers me a greater insight into the “covid reset hysteria” than say anything on mainstream media. Time for the craven jibbering cowards that constitutes the modern risk averse tories to ditch the bbc licence.

389314 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to nickbowes, 7, #713 of 1724 🔗

We saw it too – it was a hoot! If he’d only stop buying in to the ‘pandemic’ narrative, he’d be even better. His lampooning of the Sky News guy was priceless. MW

389424 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #714 of 1724 🔗

Please could we have the link?

389300 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #715 of 1724 🔗

Breaking News

Romania performs u turn and closes all bars and restaurants

Romania will close all it’s bars and restaurants from midnight tonight

An unnamed Romanian government source denied that the move was in response to pressure from London to get it’s TSG officers to return. He denied that the officers are required to be at the forefront of attacking women at the upcoming Social Credit demonstrations

The official who voice appeared to be slurred added “It’s been great having the boys home. They have been very generous in the bars and restaurants. Some have even paid off Mom and Dads mortgages. However we accept that this can’t go on forever and that there is work to be done”

389317 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cecil B, 1, #716 of 1724 🔗

More likely, Uschi and Mutti made a phone call to the Romanian government.

389301 Basics, 17, #717 of 1724 🔗

Big numbers out protesting in Vienna. Peacful protestors are standing infront of robocops calming those protestors with attitude of violence towards the police. A good response to the real problem of provocateurs being used to cause scenes of violence.

Ruptly streaming on yt and others.

389315 JayBee, 32, #718 of 1724 🔗

105.000 lockdown deaths plus 122.000 Covid deaths results in 227.000 total deaths, not 222.000.
Regardless, at a generously assumed rate of 20% from Covid (off USA 9%, Sweden 17%), that means 25.000 from Covid deaths, 97.000 with Covid and comorbidities deaths and 105.000 solely lockdown-caused deaths.

Plus Britain’s share and blood on its hands of 3.1 million deaths in the 3rd world solely due to Western lockdowns (2.4% (UK’s share of World GDP) of 130million deaths expected).
Plus the economic, societal, democratic and psychological etc. damage, of course.

If the UK had followed Sweden’s approach instead, the numbers would be as follows:
The 97.000 figure is bogus, invented and disproved by Sweden.
So, no additional Covid deaths as Sweden’s LOWER CDPMI figures prove, likely less, resulting in:
25.000 from Covid
97.000 with Covid
0 lockdown related deaths instead
of 105.000
0 share and no blood on its hands of the 130million 3rd world deaths due to Western lockdowns.

And if every country had done what Sweden did, none of those 130million would have had to die.

So, if anyone has blood on their hands, it’s Western Lockdownistas.
And that at a scale dwarfing the Nazis, Mao’s AND Stalin’s crimes.

And next up are all those having refused or neglected to fund RCTs for Covid treatments like Vitamin B, D, HCQ and Ivermectin.
Very few people would have had to die in the second wave, if they had done so instead!

May they all rot in hell one day, and I am absolutely certain they will.
Ideally after having had to face a trial for their crimes and that soon, but I
won’t hold my breath on either.

389325 GrannySlayer, 11, #719 of 1724 🔗

Oh look, a 16 year old girl from Alberta gets it.

Good to know that the majority of the population, the government, and all of the talking head ‘experts’ have less common sense than a 16 year old girl.

389326 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 19, #720 of 1724 🔗

Two elderly friends of mine – man and wife – somewhat sceptical. Have nevertheless had the vaccine (Pfizer) . The absurd thing is about two months ago they had antibody tests and were positive, so they have already had it and clearly have some immunity already. Like many others they had had slightly odd ‘colds’ back in early spring before the panic started.

Am I the only one who thinks this is stark staring madness? If you are already producing antibodies why the feck do you need the injection?

(I haven’t argued with them – the wife is in poor health after a stroke and although they do try to fight the propaganda no doubt they do worry)

389357 ▶▶ Jo, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #721 of 1724 🔗

I posted about two friends who had Covid with symptoms less than 3 months ago and had the vaccine last week (aged late 40s and mid 50s). Just don’t get it.
If someone had the flu in October, would they go for the vaccine that winter or just wait until the following year?

389576 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #722 of 1724 🔗

Just goes to show how good the propaganda is. Im on various internet forums, all different subjects, people of all ages on them and only 1 or 2 people are questioning the narrative & nearly everyone is pro-vaccine. One bloke had the nerve to put a post up questioning things and was immediately shot down by other members. Crazy.

The same as on the local facebook “spotted” groups I follow for both where I live & where my parents live. They are all singing the praises of the vaccine and calling it “exciting times”. People actually complaining that they haven’t been invited to have the jab yet and they “cant wait” to get it. One local news reporter was interviewing excited old people as they came out of the local jab centre and they were so pleased as they were now looking forward to hugging their grand children.

Another thing ive noticed is that I have not seen a single non-mask wearing customer in any supermarkets/shops ive been in. I even see people walking outside wearing them, and amazingly people on their own, driving their car all masked up!

389585 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to ThomasT, 2, #723 of 1724 🔗

There was a piece of R4 the other day asking why greetings card manufacturers hadn’t started producing “happy vaccine day” cards. I am not joking. Maybe they were?

389335 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 45, #724 of 1724 🔗

Just back from my usual 7 mile constitutional. Only two swervers (not counting the affluent couples walking on the road along Bedwetter Avenue) : an granite-faced old codger who looked like he last wished someone a good morning in 1963 and it still hurts; and a Baby Swerver (where the young woman massively swerves the stroller onto the nearest patch of frozen mud.) The bloke with her called me, sotto voce, a bastard. I didn’t have my birth certificate on me to disprove him otherwise and they didn’t look amenable to simple trigonometry showing I was actually 2m away from the offspring, mainly in height. I guess my virus-raddled droplets could still have been plummeting down like hailstones onto the poor mite but that would involve suspending my disbelief in asymptomatic transmission.

389578 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #725 of 1724 🔗

Sorry about your experience Prof. In complete contrast out seven miler took us along the lanes and footpaths of Wharfedale country, broken halfway round by coffee and bacon butties at a very posh country house hotel which has just started advertising these. Car park full of vehicles, plenty of mixed parties, kids, dogs, some had brought little flasks of port, cyclists, hikers and we all sat on the stone walls overlooking the frosty river valley at only polite distances. Very cheerful and jolly, the number of walkers out and about was many more than for a summer bank holiday and there was no SD among clearly mixed household groups walking together. And whilst the paths were narrow there was no hostile swerving only polite space as would have been given BC (Before Covid). It was as good as it gets I suppose. At least no rozzers turned up.

389614 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #726 of 1724 🔗

Glad you had a lovely walk – sounds idyllic!

Outside the town most folk were normal and friendly. The real Covidians wouldn’t even allow themselves to be trapped on a narrow path so it’s usually the best place to be!

Like all experiences one tends to remember the bad more than the good unfortunately .

389676 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #727 of 1724 🔗

Similar on the northern border of our county, three mile walk no real “swervers”.

389336 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 27, #728 of 1724 🔗

This guy makes a pertinent observation. Perth (Australia) goes into 5 day lockdown after 1 person tests positive. Some still think it’s dangerous to question proportionality of response to this virus:

Gilbert Jackson

Zero Covid means no more lockdowns… No, all it means is that at any time you could be locked down because one person tests positive. That isn’t proper freedom or normality. It doesn’t make any sense, except to keep total control of the population.


The linked BBC article:

Covid: Australian city of Perth goes into snap lockdown after guard tests positive
I was predicting months ago that this is what would happen in Scotland if we went down this route. Sheer stupidity.

389354 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #729 of 1724 🔗

Our very own zero-Covid whoppers need despatching post haste while they are on the ropes!

389374 ▶▶ alw, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #730 of 1724 🔗

And blaming it on the UK strain…lol. A few weeks ago Brisbane closed down for three days because one person tested positive.


389379 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #731 of 1724 🔗

No doubt the Perth authorities also susbscribe to the asymptomatic transmission theory. In doing so they fail to appreciate that asymptomatic transmission of a virus, with at least 800 confirmed variants so far, means that no one can prevent it from becoming endemic. To then persue a policy of zero Covid is confirmation of their breathtaking ignorance and infinite stupidity.

389453 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #732 of 1724 🔗

Yes, I’m not surprised. These incidents will pop up occasionally in Australian cities in the coming weeks and when autumn comes, the Rona will return in earnest. I told my friend in Melbourne, who is a True Covidian, that he should get all his travel needs out of his system now, using his car for trips (not flights, which could be cancelled at the last minute). I think the same will happen in Auckland and perhaps elsewhere in New Zealand. It appears that both countries had enough of a ‘seeding’ with the Rona last year to make it endemic in at least the main cities and I expect it to come back on a seasonal basis like other respiratory viruses. The Zero Covid approach will crush their economies, which are already in trouble. It’s insane, but both countries have quite an insular mentality, so it’s not all that surprising.

389516 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #733 of 1724 🔗

“crush their economies”

Yes, the route from Madness back to Sanity goes via Poverty.

389341 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 55, #734 of 1724 🔗

I stopped the car to offer a lift to a couple of neighbours, the offer was refused politely until one of them told me I was not allowed to give people lifts. So me being of twisted mind asked innocently, why? The answer was covid, I then said and? The reply was spreading the virus and I answered I don’t have covid. The reply this time was a shake of the head, a downward hand movement and they walked away.

My world is getting smaller of people I’ve known for years. Our world will never be normal again, this past year the world’s governments have changed something in me and the people around me, mine is for the better in my opinion, I have empathy with most people but the people who have been brainwashed have none. I feel sorry for these two as they are nice people, or at least they were until this propaganda started.

389358 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Just about sane, 20, #735 of 1724 🔗

If you’re tempted to feel sorry for them, remind yourself that Hitler didn’t kill a single Romany or Jew himself. Not a one.

389364 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Just about sane, 25, #736 of 1724 🔗

It’s the way that people recoil from simple,normal actions of humanity that I find disturbing.
I’ve always carried on as normal,doing all the things that are second nature without having to stop and analyse the apparent massive threat to my existence involved.I have been in receipt of horrified looks for holding a shop door open for someone or helping get an item from a high shelf for a person that can’t reach.
A lot of people will never return to anything approaching what was pre-covid normal behaviour.

389446 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Paul, 16, #737 of 1724 🔗

yes, we have been taught to regard our fellow human beings as vermin, and from there it is but a short step to exterminating them

389365 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Just about sane, 22, #738 of 1724 🔗

Gald I’ve always been a non-people, anti-idiot (can’t call them morons as a moron is someone born with an IQ deficiency and cannot help it, idiots work at it) person as this last year proves me right in just having a very, very small circle of very interesting acquaintances and you lot on here are added to the group, one day to meet in person.

389367 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Just about sane, 26, #739 of 1724 🔗

You should have just said “Oh sorry, I didn’t realise you had it. Thanks for thinking of me” and driven off I must admit that it’s always after such encounters that I myself always think of quips that I should have made!

389391 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Just about sane, 17, #740 of 1724 🔗

Covid hysteria dissolves human feeling.

389408 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Just about sane, 12, #741 of 1724 🔗

The impact this has all had on decent humanity is what makes me sad.

389435 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Just about sane, 20, #742 of 1724 🔗

I know how you felt, a few days back when we had a lot of ice I walked past an elderly man with a dog and walking stick having obvious difficulty walking on the ice. Instictively I approached to offer a helping hand but the look of his terror on his face as I approached stopped me. I realised he was far more frightened of catching covid from perfectly healthy looking me than the hugely greater threat of falling on the ice and breaking a bone. (Ironically he would then have been taken to hospital, probably be tested positive and end up on a covid ward).

You can’t hold doors for people or pick up things they’ve dropped any more. This madness is killing off the little acts of kindness and care that made us decent human beings.

389741 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Old Trout, 3, #743 of 1724 🔗

…by design.

389458 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Just about sane, 6, #744 of 1724 🔗

Oh you must be one of the 33.3% of people who have covid but don’t know it….

389484 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Just about sane, 21, #745 of 1724 🔗

This. And more. Members of our families have ostracised us. Mr H has only seen his parents once this year. They don’t want to see him because he refuses to wear a mask. They’re all getting or had the vaccine so I expect we’ll be totally banished from their lives if we don’t, and we aren’t! Talk to any friends on the phone and your heart sinks as they tell you how fearful they are, and they don’t go out, and how the wonderful vax is going end their woes. I’ve stopped calling – I was the only making the effort to start with. The people napped up in town now giving you filthy looks and leaping into on-coming traffic to avoid you would have been beyond comprehension a year ago but they are all now severely psychologically damaged. Even if we suddenly were “permitted” to return to some sort of normality, people won’t. We are losing EVERYTHING we had that made us human, and the sickening, vile part is that we are starting to realise this was all planned to happen this way!

389509 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelenaHancart, 7, #746 of 1724 🔗

“and how the wonderful vax is going end their woes.”

How will they react when it doesn’t?

389514 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to rockoman, 5, #747 of 1724 🔗

Well…I tried to explain, tried to tell them that daddy government has EVEN said it won’t stop transmission or end restrictions but it fell on deaf ears. They literally did NOT want to know! I’ve given up…

389539 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Just about sane, 5, #748 of 1724 🔗

Earlier in the queue at the bakery a little boy, maybe 4 years old, stood right behind me and father called him to stand back. I assured father I am perfectly happy with him standing right behind me.
Father still insisted to call the boy back.
At least I tried!

389757 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Silke David, 5, #749 of 1724 🔗

I never realised that I could feel two strong emotions simultaneously. A three year-old toddler looked up at my unmuzzled face and the beam of joy he gave at seeing my smile was utterly delightful.

Immediately I was then terribly downcast when I realised that I was probably the only person who had smiled at him in the recent few hours in his liitle life.

Child abuse, you bastard politicians & scientists.

389889 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to RichardJames, 2, #750 of 1724 🔗

I had the exact same experience in Tesco about three weeks ago. I was unmuzzled and encountered a muzzled family (not known to me) with a two or three year old toddler sitting in the trolley seat. He made eye contact, almost imploringly, as I passed and I instinctively smiled at him upon which his face lit up. Although only a small kiddie the sense I got that he felt reassured by my connection with him was palpable. It made a really deep impression on me.

389353 Jo, 11, #751 of 1724 🔗

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At least the CDC in the US reports vaccine injuries and deaths.
Interestingly, the average age of death from vaccine is 76.5, which is nearly 6 years younger than the average age of with Covid death.

389356 Basics, replying to Basics, 56, #752 of 1724 🔗

From a NHS nurse

Medical experts were asked if it is time to ease the lockdown.
Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.
Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but Neurologists thought the government had a lot of nerve.
Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted.
Many Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while Pediatricians said, “Oh, grow up!”
Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while Radiologists could see right through it.
Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and pharmacists claimed it would be a bitter pill to swallow.
Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would “put a whole new face on the matter.”
Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.
Anaesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.
In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the asshololes.

389359 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basics, 5, #753 of 1724 🔗


389360 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 3, #754 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely brilliant.

389416 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Basics, 2, #755 of 1724 🔗

Dear Basics is this from you as want to share and not breach your copyright? Ha

389480 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Niborxof, #756 of 1724 🔗

Not me. Correct the typos I didn’t.

389492 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Basics, #757 of 1724 🔗

It’s great

389641 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to Niborxof, #758 of 1724 🔗

This has been around for at least 40 years, have seen it so many times, and can be applied to any medical situation! So you’re probably not breaking any copyright…

389632 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Basics, 1, #759 of 1724 🔗


389361 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #760 of 1724 🔗
389401 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #761 of 1724 🔗

Great to see – but even the title is “COVID sceptics…” – I bet they aren’t!

389381 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 17, #762 of 1724 🔗

If N O’B (quite apt under the circumstances but I digress) truly believes in his position and truly buys into the narrative then he must also believe therefore that Carl Henaghan’s position is costing lives and responsible for untold deaths.

Therefore he has a moral duty to counteract and rebuke Henaghan’s disinformation at every opportunity he gets as this will help save lives and reduce the misinformation flow.

To not take that opportunity up in the present circumstances is therefore to be complicit in death and misery and must be seen as an act of moral weakness and cowardice. He can’t have it both ways.

389593 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #763 of 1724 🔗

You should tweet that to him!

389598 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to frankfrankly, #764 of 1724 🔗

I would if I did twitter!

389395 alw, replying to alw, 26, #765 of 1724 🔗

Speaking to the doctor daughter-in-law and doctor niece this morning, one of whom works for the NHS and the other private sector. Both confirmed that hospitals in the south-east are running at 60% capacity. The problem in both sectors is the high volume of medical staff off with the virus/stress or a combination of both. There is absolute chaos on the wards.

389457 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 6, #766 of 1724 🔗

That’s quite correct as many of us, myself included, have already reported. Every year the NHS whinge about being overworked and at crisis point but somehow they always managed. Influenza has now disappeared because everything is being recorded as Covid. This ‘crisis’ is being driven by the government.

389596 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to alw, 3, #767 of 1724 🔗

This supports the wisdom in that statement from Henderson in an excellent paper from 2006: Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi= ;

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”

Presumably someone in government must realise that NHS workers will not be immune to the government fear mongering and perhaps more vulnerable than the rest of the population to the fear porn we are all exposed to.

389396 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 26, #768 of 1724 🔗

So my mother has been admitted to hospital with intestinal problems. Being old fashioned, she does not have a mobile phone. I am not allowed to visit, and it is next to impossible to get through to the ward she is on to glean any information about her condition. She has been swallowed up into the black hole of the NHS and is completely at their mercy. Who knows what is going to happen here.

389400 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Richard O, 11, #769 of 1724 🔗

NHS gulag

389411 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 13, #770 of 1724 🔗

It literally feels like she has been sent to a death camp and is awaiting “special treatment”.

389418 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 3, #771 of 1724 🔗

Don’t let the odd stories get to you. I’ve been in hospital twice in the last couple of months – and it wasn’t at all like that.

389432 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 5, #772 of 1724 🔗

I know, I would hate for my 80-year-old mother to get into the hands of the NHS too, but hopefully she will get out of there soon relatively unscathed – who knows, perhaps they might even help her

389459 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richard O, 4, #773 of 1724 🔗

Make a fuss and be persistent. Usually works.

389405 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Richard O, 5, #774 of 1724 🔗

Sorry to hear that. That’s inhumane not acceptable at all, but fairly typical sadly.

389413 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Richard O, 6, #775 of 1724 🔗

Hi Richard my local hospital provide a family support team that have phones. You phone the team and then they provide a phone to the patient.. You are put on a rota – average time for me was 1-2 hours.

389420 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 10, #776 of 1724 🔗

I really believe this is why many people refused to go into hospital, or to seek help quickly when they were ill. Most of us have been aware that we’ll be effectively cut off from the people who care for us.
It’s not really surprising that people would rather risk dying at home, where at least they can be surrounded by their loved ones.

389423 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Richard O, 14, #777 of 1724 🔗

Richard, make a nuisance of yourself by calling the ward constantly and demanding to speak to who is responsible for her care. Call social services in the local council tomorrow too. Don’t be fobbed off. Sadly, it’s a zero sum game as I know from prior experience with my mother. Best wishes to you and your mum.

389429 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 8, #778 of 1724 🔗

Every time I call it cuts out after 2-3 minutes with the message “call failure”, which I assume is an automated process if the staff do not pick up.

389544 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Richard O, 4, #779 of 1724 🔗

Ok. Can you find the name of the consultant (from the hospital/NHS website) and phone him/her, and send an email too. Crucial thing – you have to make them personally responsible, in a way they cannot get out of, by putting it in writing (email).

389425 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 4, #780 of 1724 🔗

could you buy her a burner phone? I guess if she’s not well it’s not the best time to learn how to use it. I hope that she gets out of there before too long.

389436 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #781 of 1724 🔗

Yes she is a hard core technophobe so it is going to be a challenge. Hopefully this experience will convince her that being incommunicado in difficult situations such as this is not a good idea.

389501 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 3, #782 of 1724 🔗

Be persistent, keep phoning. When you get through to the ward ask to speak to the Sister in charge of the ward. I don’t think they call them Sisters anymore but they’ll know what you mean. Ask her who the Consultant is for your Mum, what the treatment plan is and what investigations are are underway. This should all be in her patient records and by asking specific answerable questions they will see you as someone sensible. You should get solid information. You could also ask if you can speak to your Mum, they usually have a phone on a trolley for patients. Good luck!

389639 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Richard O, 1, #783 of 1724 🔗

My advice would be to phone in the early afternoon when there’s a better chance the ward receptionist will be able to answer the phone, (mornings are always busier with phones being in use continuously) and the doctors’ ward rounds will have been done so you’ll get the latest update. Yes, there still are ward sisters. And matrons, so if you constantly get no answer, go straight to the switchboard and ask for the matron in charge of that area, and if you have no luck there, again ring switchboard and ask to be put in touch with PALS (patient advice and liaison) who deal with concerns and complaints. If PALS get involved the ward will be in touch pdq.

389404 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 3, #784 of 1724 🔗


I am an EU citizen who lives in the UK since 25 years and naturally, I was against and am not happy about Brexit.
I still think it’s idiotic and will cost much more than it brings in, economically and socially.
However, since March, the world and economics have completely changed.
The immediate economic damage of Brexit is now smaller, due to the large lockdown damages.
Up until March, I also thought the € could still be made to work and the UK c/should have led the non € countries in a two speed EU
successfully- there would not have been that 750bln package with the UK still being a member, if at all, only for and by the € countries.
Now, the € is toast and the EU will disintegrate when it collapses, so the decision to leave makes more sense.
But so will the $/£ and the USA/UK collapse, and as such, it’ll just be a wash.

The current vaccine spat is totally unnecessary and harmful- vdL should indeed resign immediately.
Although Johnson is a similar crook with regard to NI and I for one am still in favour of a jointly sourced program for and within the EU.
The real problem here is, that
the super-afraid elderly German population is now impatient and very upset about and against it.

Anyway, whilst I, after 25 years of living here, understand how and why it comes about, the hyperventilating pseudo-patriotic reaction of Brits to this is just idiotic and likely lethal.
The Astra Zeneca vaccine is the worst, cheapest, unsafest and most ineffective of the lot, completely useless against mutations (yes, Macron is equally hypocritical here) and if it was French, Brits would refuse to permit and have it.
Not that the others are any more advisable to buy or have, see above link, Rushworth, Prof Craig Kelly
But if you promote or fall for this cheap nationalistic mania, you fully deserve the vaccines being supplied to you and its side-effects, whether
as a politician or citizen, whether in the UK or in the EU.

389415 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JayBee, 7, #785 of 1724 🔗

After 25 years perhaps it’s time you began to consider yourself one of us rather than continuing to wave the star-spangled wotsitsname.
Loyalty is a great virtue, especially given to a place you call home.

389428 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Banjones, 5, #786 of 1724 🔗

I always was, am and will remain in the ‘patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel’ camp, wherever I live.

389483 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JayBee, 2, #787 of 1724 🔗

I couldn’t agree with you more.

389638 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to JayBee, 1, #788 of 1724 🔗

The meaning of that phrase is that non-scoundrels are naturally patriotic already. Scoundrels affect patriotism only at the bitter end when they have tried everything else.

389426 ▶▶ Suet, replying to JayBee, 1, #789 of 1724 🔗

Why is the Astra Zenenca jab “unsafest … of the lot”?

389440 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Suet, 2, #790 of 1724 🔗

Read Rushworth’s take on it, or Arvey, or Doshi and Prof. Kelly on the ineffectiveness of all Adenovirus vector vaccines against mutations.
And none of them are vaccines, they are all experimental gene therapies.
From what we know currently,
the first true vaccine, that also might make sense to get, is the Novavax one.

389572 ▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to JayBee, 1, #791 of 1724 🔗

Thanks for the response, but I was interested in YOUR take on it.

389427 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JayBee, 10, #792 of 1724 🔗

I love my country despite recognising its faults – not sure if that makes me patriotic or nationalistic. Hopefully not blindly so, which would just be silly

I have not really followed the vaccine row but it seems like a distraction tactic to me

EU or UK both are being led by villains and fools right now

389431 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 4, #793 of 1724 🔗

Just what I am saying.

389449 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to JayBee, 6, #794 of 1724 🔗

The conflation of vaccine enthusiasm and patriotism is typical of HMG sponsored propaganda. As is the conflation of vaccine hesitant/bio-hazard/outcast.

389475 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JayBee, 9, #795 of 1724 🔗

“since 25 years” You must be German. 🙂

I’ve never liked the EU, it has been such a huge and expensive political self indulgence for the Eurocrats, it was never needed. The European common market was far enough, there never needed to be any sharing of sovereignty. ‘Sharing’ sovereignty was really making it yet one step further from the hands of the people, which is unacceptable.

Yes, I realise that everyone wanted to hold hands around the campfire to make sure that war in Europe never happened again (or whatever ideological bullshit they used to sell the idea), but the best way to ensure war doesn’t happen is to give the people more power, not less.

The single currency was a completely stupid idea – it worked out well for Germany, where a low valued Euro helped to keep German exports desirable to the global market, but it didn’t help Greece or Spain pay off their huge debts. How are you supposed to manage your economy, your inflation, your debt, without being able to influence your own monetary policy?! The economies within the EU are so different, it does them no good at all to be pinned to the same exchange rate.

The Euro was almost a monumental disaster when it first arrived on the scene too. Even non-EU countries intervene to stop Italian bank debt from destroying it, which is why Gordon Brown sold all of our gold at £220 an ounce in concert with a number of other nations at the time, hammering the gold price down and using the funds to buy up Euros and save the project.

It’s been one disaster after another, and when Draghi made the decision that European banks had to hold corporate junk bonds, it was clear the timebomb had started ticking, and then NIRP came along, almost as if he was actively trying to destroy the banking system. What it really did was prove that the central banks have no policy tools. They’ve tinkered with interest rates all the way into negative (seriously, what the fuck?), and all they have left is ctrl+p. And even that isn’t working now.

But wait, it gets better – who is in charge of the ECB now? Christine Lagarde, a convicted criminal who wouldn’t be able to get job working in a highstreet bank! It’s a joke. A really sick joke.

389523 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #796 of 1724 🔗

Worth bearing in mind that we only narrowly avoided the calamity of being part of the Euro ourselves. A shockingly large part of our political and media elite actually thought that literal insanity was a great idea.

And as was recently (rightly imo) pointed out, if we’d done that we might not have been able to escape the EU, and been locked in for the ride all the way to the likely collapse of the superstate project in collapse, violence and civil disorder.

Cambridge Historian Prof. Robert Tombs: Why Britain Chose Brexit

389644 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, #797 of 1724 🔗

Indeed, it was a lucky escape, but rather than a political decision, I’m quite sure that the decision not to join came down from the banks, allowing them to retain their independence from the EU currency and central bank while still operating within the Eurozone.

389858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, #798 of 1724 🔗

Definitely a political decision, but the banks are one big source of influence on the politicians, for sure, though not necessarily the only one. Perhaps decisive in this case, I don’t recall tbh.

389493 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 4, #799 of 1724 🔗

This whole ‘vaccine wrs’ nonsense is one of those ‘hares’ which have ‘been set running’ for the plebs.

389409 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 17, #800 of 1724 🔗

Just read this from Dr Sebastian Rushworth about vitamin D so-called ”trials”:


It almost seems as though these ”trials” are set up to fail, or at least produce questionable results. Such as the one for HCQ where people were given HUGE doses, resulting in deaths (manslaughter?) and no doubt we’ll soon hear that Ivermectin is either ineffective or dangerous.

Big Pharma really does NOT like ”cheap”, does it?

389414 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Banjones, 6, #801 of 1724 🔗

I didn’t know that about the HCQ trials. The high dose risk of HCQ has been known for a long time, so widespread is its use in Africa. That’s just criminal.

389450 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #802 of 1724 🔗

Re HCQ – yes, there were two, maybe three, high level research trials on HCQ early last summer, clearly contrived purely with the intention of discrediting its use. One was carried out by a team from Oxford University who were prepared to put patients’ lives at risk to prove their pre-determined conclusions. There was another similar study in the USA, I think.

Doctors advocating HCQ + zinc said from the beginning that HCQ should be administered within the range of standard recognised doses, that zinc was an essential piece in the jigsaw, and the treatment combination had to be used either as a prophylaxis or at the first onset of symptoms; any later than that and any beneficial impact would be negligible.

So what did they do in the trials? Select critically ill patients and administer levels of HCQ on its own at two or three times above the recognised safe level, potentially lethal for patients who were already in a critical condition. And then when the patients showed no sign of improvement or had any sign of adverse reaction ‘concluded that the use of HCQ made no difference to patient recovery and was potentially dangerous’.

389498 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #803 of 1724 🔗

JFC. If Satan himself was to set up shop on Planet Earth, I’m pretty sure he’d run a pharmaceutical company.

389507 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #804 of 1724 🔗

This thing is not fully over until Horby is in a prison cell.

389417 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Banjones, 5, #805 of 1724 🔗

No, but ask medicos off the record about vitamin D and they’ll tell you clearly to make sure you have enough if not more. Finland even puts it in the bread (as we did for years post WW2)

389421 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #806 of 1724 🔗

Zoe ‘wave’ over

R has settled down at just below 0.9

389422 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #807 of 1724 🔗


389434 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steve_w, #808 of 1724 🔗
389439 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #809 of 1724 🔗

although the graph above could be predicted from the R value peaking on the 18th December and coming down linearly since

389448 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steve_w, 1, #810 of 1724 🔗

Indeed…and WHO previously issued a similar notice on PCR tests 07 Dec 2020!


389455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #811 of 1724 🔗

although the Zoe is self-reported symptomatics so false positives less to do with PCR and more to do with confusion with ‘normal’ clods

389487 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to steve_w, #812 of 1724 🔗

Quite so.

Nevertheless there seems to be evidence from one or two U.S. states that ‘cases’ have fallen away after the WHO interventions, quite possibly sparked by the ‘Eurosurveillance’ review; so a promising attack line on the by now rather silly ‘pandemic’ narrative.

Nothing heard back from Eurosurveillance so far…..hmmmm…….

389496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, #813 of 1724 🔗

good news – certainly a lot of the panic is casedemic

god knows how many hyper-frail people that could kill

389465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #814 of 1724 🔗

Curiously enough 07 Dec is the same date that ‘Eurosurveillance’ announces it is seeking further expert advice on the PCR Test paper written by Drosten et al that it published in Jan 2020, on which global PCR tests for covid 19 were based……


389521 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, -3, #815 of 1724 🔗

Do you have all ZOE data back to spring. If so what was the peak for March/April.

Was it over 2m?

389635 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 1, #816 of 1724 🔗

IIRC it was around 2m but the data is not online any more – not that I can find anyway

389672 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 1, #817 of 1724 🔗

I have only been writing it down for the the winter. It was 2.2 million from memory (peak symptomatic, not daily new)

389433 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 13, #818 of 1724 🔗

BBC News reporting today that the ‘impact’ of the vaccine will be seen in around 2 weeks’ time.

Hmm, mid-February… just when the days are starting to get longer and the weather ever so slightly warmer.

This vaccine ‘impact assessment’ will be timed very conveniently with the onset of spring…

389461 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 3, #819 of 1724 🔗

You’re right. A proportionate comparison with the usual decline from mid to late January will be very telling.

389529 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to RickH, 2, #820 of 1724 🔗

But will we be set free?

389474 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Poppy, 3, #821 of 1724 🔗

A lot of countries such as The Netherlands have barely vaccinated anyone yet – wonder what their “cases” curve will look like then? I’m guessing very like ours.


389556 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Poppy, 1, #822 of 1724 🔗

Hence the rush to vaccinate before numbers dropped anyway. Then the claim it’s the vax wot dunnit.

389437 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #823 of 1724 🔗
389442 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #824 of 1724 🔗

I suppose if you lower the amplifications then would that reduce FPR – not saying they have

389447 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 2, #825 of 1724 🔗

I think if they did it would cause a massive step change that would make it all look like bollox. But I can imagine them issuing new guidance when numbers are lower in a couple of weeks time

389936 ▶▶ ituex, replying to steve_w, #826 of 1724 🔗

There was a ‘possible scenarios for lifting lockdown’ in The Sunday Times today. One idea was all lifted when less than 600 cases/ day. But doing 750k tests daily it’s not possible to get that low based on the stated false positives!!

389441 Bella Donna, 9, #827 of 1724 🔗


An article about Cov19 and all roads leading to Dr Fauci and Wuhan. These people cannot be allowed to get away with what they have done to our lives.

389443 dhid, replying to dhid, 15, #828 of 1724 🔗

I don’t know if this has been mentioned here before but, as I get increasingly pissed off with the Government Covid “Ads” on every damned radio station, every few minutes, trying to scare the crap out of the general public sheeples, I decided to find out what shit weasles are getting money from making them.

According to this site:


The agency responsible for at least some is:


And the creepy voice, on some is provided by, this creature:


Just in case anyone is interested.

389454 ▶▶ Basics, replying to dhid, 10, #829 of 1724 🔗

Flood the Zone.

Every bus stop and bus is running the advertising too.

Expect TV is the same. Strangely internet advertising seems not to be reaching me, apart from the pathetic social media alert boxes this maybe harmfil antiWHO content etc.

A comment from friends and acquaintances alike is that there is no escape and they are tuning off. Crossword books being bought by life long BBC watchers, because turning their TV on brings nothing good to their life.

389557 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Basics, 4, #830 of 1724 🔗

The Scrabble app has been a lifesaver in our household.

389464 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhid, 5, #831 of 1724 🔗

Agree. Most radio programmes off-limits to me now for that very reason. Just listen to Mike Graham now on catch-up so I can fast-foward the ads.

389481 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 4, #832 of 1724 🔗

I’m ok in the car with the radio, I just hit the radio mute button on the steering wheel which acts instantly! Lol.

389485 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to dhid, 5, #833 of 1724 🔗

Mr Strong has featured in most of the voice overs from the start of this panic. He has one of those sepulchral voices raised from the grave, ideal for scaring the daylights out of those intellectually challenged mortals who comprise most of the population

389503 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to albert hall, 3, #834 of 1724 🔗


Hope he can justify making brain washing torture material, and doesn’t pretend he didn’t know what effect they were meant to have on the gullible and vulnerable.

I mean, think about “Lord Haw-haw”…..

389615 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to dhid, 17, #835 of 1724 🔗

I have Covid tourettes. Every time I hear any propoganda on the radio or that horrendous look into my eyes thing, I shout out “fuck off”. The really sad thing is that I am often on my own and yet I do it automatically!.

389633 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #836 of 1724 🔗

I have to rein myself in or the dogs get scared. They know no sane person shouts at the radio so they assume I’m shouting at them.

389664 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #837 of 1724 🔗

Haha that made me laugh

389699 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #838 of 1724 🔗

You’re not the only one. I do it too. In house or car!

389452 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #839 of 1724 🔗

If every year deaths from respiratory disease increases during winter (mainly frail people reaching end of life), when do these weekly deaths generally peak and start to drop each year?

389460 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 2, #840 of 1724 🔗

2nd week of the year is the peak in overall mortality and peak day is usually 5th Jan

389467 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #841 of 1724 🔗


389469 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #842 of 1724 🔗

overall mortality. although we don’t know how much of current peak is vaccine or lockdown related

389476 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #843 of 1724 🔗

I was wondering if the ‘death curve’ while a little higher than normal was following the normal timeline – I suppose we have to wait and see for ‘date of death’ data

389553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #844 of 1724 🔗

389513 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, -9, #845 of 1724 🔗

Please don’t start speculating on a vaccine link. LS readers will seize on it, it will go viral before the bubble is eventually burst by reality … .and yet more credibility is lost.

I can’t be sure but I suspect the sudden spike in ONS data is due to the timing of registrations after Christmas.

389530 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #846 of 1724 🔗

Are we allowed to speculate that if the all-cause deaths peak and drop about now, then the curve is following the annual norm and because of vaccines or lockdowns?

389535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #847 of 1724 🔗

Vaccinate the young, who are at tiny risk from the virus, without knowing if you may be doing them long term harm – you blinkered idiot!

389562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #848 of 1724 🔗


389612 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 1, #849 of 1724 🔗

Covid related deaths have increased by about 3k/wk after 1 Jan which is what you would expect after the fall-off during the Xmas/NY weeks. However all cuses deaths have increased by 6k/wk over same period.
We are perfectly entitled to question why this is the case. If indeed it is because of injections then its better this is questioned early otherwise there could be hundreds of thousands extra deaths, would you prefer that?

389629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 1, #850 of 1724 🔗

“Go viral” Lol – if only anything we put out went viral

389668 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #851 of 1724 🔗

I am hoping the ONS spike is due to registration issues – we will see in time. They model the timings of deaths from previous years but last year was a weird one so might have gone wrong. It might also coincide with NHS sending covid patients to care homes – which they are still doing

389679 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #852 of 1724 🔗

the ONS spike coincides with a number of things, lockdown, virus, vaccine, NHS pressure etc. Its fine to mention any or all of them. The truth will out eventually. I don’t think anyone on here talking (legitimately) about vaccine risks is going to change government policy

389477 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #853 of 1724 🔗

It varies slightly from year to year – but generally, from 2nd-3rd week in January

389456 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #854 of 1724 🔗

Beware anyone who thinks they are signing up to KBF, business partner just got a response from K ayak B ass F ishing in Arkensas. They look like nice people, if a little like members of ZZ Top!

389611 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 3, #855 of 1724 🔗

Get him to ask if they are covid sceptics, if they come from Arkansas they have probably got guns.

389696 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Old Bill, 3, #856 of 1724 🔗

From the look of him, I would safely assume he is on the sceptics’ side!

389462 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #857 of 1724 🔗

What do we reckon for todays infections/deaths?

I’ll go 21K/1050

389486 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, 1, #858 of 1724 🔗

I can’t find my hat.

389694 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to arfurmo, #859 of 1724 🔗

My non medical diagnosis is hypertension with those numbers.

389869 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #860 of 1724 🔗

Nailed it with the infections .

389466 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #861 of 1724 🔗

Just broke through the police lines in Vienna. Like the Berlin Wall coming down

389479 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cecil B, 2, #862 of 1724 🔗

Is there footage?

389489 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 3, #863 of 1724 🔗

LIVE: COVID sceptics hold protest in Vienna despite ban
Looks under control atm on this footage at least

389497 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #864 of 1724 🔗

Interesting to see the mix of face-nappy wearing and sensible normal folk.

389517 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Mark, 2, #865 of 1724 🔗

Lockdown sceptics, I hope.

The media can dismiss ‘COVID sceptics’ much the same as they do for ‘anti-vaxxers’.

389545 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to John001, 1, #866 of 1724 🔗

What happened to the flu?

389547 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John001, 1, #867 of 1724 🔗

Hard to make out political chants in your own language, so no idea what these folk are on about. Probably a mixture anyway.

389468 Two-Six, 3, #868 of 1724 🔗

These guys need to go on a media training course

389490 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #870 of 1724 🔗

It seems that the NHS crisis is passed
So no longer a need to do all this nonsense to ‘Protect the NHS’ in which case why are we still locked down?
Deaths? maybe I am unusual (well yes I probably am) but being involved in wildlife stuff and conservation I am not just bothered about deaths but about populations. So when people say that covid is killing people I tend to say, all very well but how is the population holding up? is the total world population of people in decline or even on the brink of extinction? The answer of course is that the world population of people is doing fine, even in the UK in 2020, despite covid, there were more live births than registered deaths. So by my book, if the world population of people is doing OK then no need to worry about death figures and so that is not an issue.
In which case time to end the lockdown and scrap all the coronavirus regs………. have I missed anything?

389579 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Steve Martindale, #871 of 1724 🔗

Yes. Apparently covid has mutated and become super deadlier. I think a new strain came in from the moon or something.

389592 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #872 of 1724 🔗

Surprise, surprise!

The crisis is beginning to ease at the same time that it does every year.

389500 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 16, #873 of 1724 🔗

Wanklock predicts “a long and happy summer”(Metro newspaper).
Anybody willing to chip in to buy him a one way ticket to Rockall ?

389512 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #874 of 1724 🔗

His next mission: lock down the gannets.

389526 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #875 of 1724 🔗

Yeah! Not social distancing.

389536 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #876 of 1724 🔗

Guys guys keep apart! We’re on a cliff edge here!

389554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #877 of 1724 🔗

Should feel at home amongst a great pile of Sh×t!!

389573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #878 of 1724 🔗

Send him to a Bat Cave

389575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 2, #879 of 1724 🔗

Come on, even bats have standards.

389580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #880 of 1724 🔗

Agreed. But the way he ‘wings it’ on the crucial stuff means he should fit in well.

389560 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #881 of 1724 🔗

Happy to chip in to buy him a pedalo, dump him in the middle of the Atlantic ocean and let him pedal back without a map.

389590 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #882 of 1724 🔗

“Wanklock predicts ‘a long and happy summer’ “

Presumably he means for himself, as he tries to screw the public a bit more, I guess!

389602 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #883 of 1724 🔗

“a long and happy summer”

Counting the dividend from his Pfizer shares.

389603 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #884 of 1724 🔗

Or Gruinard, surely there’s still some anthrax there…..

389548 ▶▶ isobar, replying to CGL, 6, #886 of 1724 🔗

If you don’t watch anything else this Sunday, please watch this! Stunning!

389558 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to isobar, 3, #887 of 1724 🔗

Isn’t it!

389567 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to CGL, 4, #888 of 1724 🔗

Yes, and heartbreaking how we are being shafted by own government with their mind games!

389587 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 5, #889 of 1724 🔗

A really good summary of the core issues.

389589 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CGL, 5, #890 of 1724 🔗

Yes, that is excellent. And moving too at the end…. How did they conspire to bring us to this?

389599 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to CGL, 5, #891 of 1724 🔗

An absolutely wondeful video 10 minutes.

Please spread far and wide.

389606 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to CGL, 4, #892 of 1724 🔗

Thanks for sharing that, I will be passing it on to others. A very succinct account, but also very moving.

389927 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CGL, 1, #893 of 1724 🔗

Only 750 views? Twatters should be posting this far & wide on twitter etc.

389505 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 21, #894 of 1724 🔗

In the last week I found I had been carpet bombed with voice messages on my dumb phone (which i don’t use much) to book a flu jab. I’ve also received letters and texts, even though I told them I didn’t want one (I never have them) and it was noted on my file. Then yesterday I received another text telling me should sign up for regular FREE “symptom-less” covid tests, and “play my part” in stopping the spread of the virus. What?!!! So….flu jab…covid tests…what could possibly go wrong?!!! Felt like stamping my phone…

389522 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #895 of 1724 🔗

I removed my mobile phone number, which is never on these days anyway, from the details my GP holds.
They only have a landline and I screen all calls with the answering machine.
As GP systems prefer the mobile phone number so they can automatically send calls and texts, just ask them to delete the number.

389607 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Silke David, #896 of 1724 🔗

I’d second that suggestion. I removed my mobile number from the details my GP systems holds also after getting various unwanted propaganda texts about downloading NHS tracing apps etc.

389657 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Silke David, #897 of 1724 🔗

Never ever given my surgery my (ancient, always switched off) mobile number despite constant reminders from patient access, they only have my landline and email.

389765 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Silke David, #898 of 1724 🔗

Us too. AlanG had his jab letter yesterday as he’s ‘Extremely Clinically Vulnerable’ but we’re off-grid to everything else as we also screen landline calls and the NHS does not have our mobile number. It’s an old-style mobile and it never leaves the house. Naturally AlanG rushed to book his appointment (not really! 🙂 ) MW

389670 ▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, #900 of 1724 🔗


Nicole Sirotek – one of the nurses on the pcr testing zoom call – from May 2020

389511 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 80, #901 of 1724 🔗

Interesting and not pleasant observation earlier about how the police are behaving. Local common popular with dog walkers / horse riders and families. Today the police were there stopping cars and questioning people as to how far they had come to take their exercise. They were turning away people who had driven more than a mile to get there.

One plod was fat and pasty – clearly never benefited from any healthy exercise or fresh air and begrudged anyone else doing so. The other looked dirty – like he hadn’t been acquainted with soap and hot water at any point in his life, his grubbiness was apparent despite being masked up to the lower eyelids. Fat plod was busy questioning a couple and pikey plod had walked back down the line of cars to do same.

On returning, pikey plod said to fat plod… get this… he said… ‘GOT RID OF A FEW OF THEM’.

And that, fellow sceptics is how people are viewed by the police these days. Like vermin to be ‘got rid of’, locked away in cages, not permitted to sully open spaces with their presence. Not to mention there being no law about how far you can travel for exercise.

I used to have the utmost respect for the police. I know now that in fact they are utter scum. Maybe BLM in their mission to defund said scum have got something right after all.

389519 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to HelzBelz, 38, #902 of 1724 🔗

The police won’t recover from this, we’re all from Liverpool now. We police by consent in the UK, which is different to most other countries and they can’t have it both ways.

389552 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Fiona Walker, 7, #903 of 1724 🔗

But how can we effectively not consent to policing?

389723 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to HelzBelz, 11, #904 of 1724 🔗

With respect it’s not a question of “not consenting”, HelzBelz, it’s a question of treating them like the enemy that they now are.

As the Spartans are alleged to have said “Give them nothing , and take from them everything!

Every time they try to talk to you, walk away. If they insist on speaking to you, video them and sue at the slightest provocation. They’ll never catch any criminal reported to them, so there’s no point in reporting anything. They do nothing for us.

390126 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #905 of 1724 🔗

Resist any illegal requests and be prepared to go to the station if it comes down to that. Make a complaint to a senior officer while you are there.

389586 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Fiona Walker, 27, #906 of 1724 🔗

The filth and pigs are some of the nicer names the police are known as in working class areas.
Also if you have ever attended a football match then the behaviour of the police over the last few months won’t come as a surprise.
It’s just a different class of person has come into contact with the
Police over the past year.

389740 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #907 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely right. Most ‘respectable’ middle-class people have never seen this side of the police. Those whose only experience of protest was, say, the main anti-war demos of 2003 etc will not have seen much, if any, brutality. The kids who flocked to BLM demos saw them ‘taking the knee’ and backing off from them.

Once the lockdown protests started in earnest, it was another story with the heavy mob (TSG) and all Suddenly these ‘respectable’ people were being treated like those who they might have previously seen as ‘scum’ e.g. people breathing while black, striking miners, the Convoy, football supporters, people protesting at US air bases, anti-Vietnam war demonstrators and all the rest.

The scenes of police attacking old women etc are indeed shocking but come as little surprise to some of us old ‘lefty’ lags. Our daughter, whose partner is black, says that stop-and-search harassment of black people is apparently now worse than ever. (There had to be some pay-back for the humiliation of BLM, after all!) MW

389779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #908 of 1724 🔗

No surprise to those of us who live in former mining areas, either.

389537 ▶▶ dhid, replying to HelzBelz, 28, #909 of 1724 🔗

They were turning away people who had driven more than a mile to get there.”

Acting beyond the law then. The only time they can interfere with people’s right to drive somewhere is if there is a clear and present danger that might cause a risk to the public – e.g. if there was an overturned petrol tanker, a serious building collapse, etc.

It has already been established by previous recent published events that they cannot impose limits (especially that small) on how far people can travel to exercise currently.

What police force was it?

389551 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to dhid, 20, #910 of 1724 🔗

Surrey. Yes – totally acting beyond the law. The guidelines are that you should not travel any great distance but this is, as you say, not law. And these people are putting nobody at risk whatsoever. Insane.

389656 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #911 of 1724 🔗

Bozo said you could cycle 70 miles from your home didn’t he. S0 surely you can drive more than 1 mile!

389705 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to dhid, 3, #912 of 1724 🔗

I usually walk more than a mile from home when exercising.

389726 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to dhid, 9, #913 of 1724 🔗

They must be reported, have an official complaint registered, and sued. Nothing else works, nothing else is listened to. Always video the police. Always sue the police.

390144 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to dhid, 1, #914 of 1724 🔗

The police are acting outside of the law and have no right to limit the right to travel, no matter how far the distance from home.

389540 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to HelzBelz, 19, #915 of 1724 🔗

A mate of mine a special branch old school real copper told me 10 years ago don’t get robbed as the shit they were employing then were no fit for purpose, pc bullies. How right he was.

389546 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Jaguarpig, 16, #916 of 1724 🔗

Yes, a family member who dealt with terrorists whilst in the met – now long retired – said a similar thing.

389568 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelzBelz, 12, #917 of 1724 🔗

If ‘Fat Plod’ is so worried about covid, then why hasn’t he slimmed down in the last ten months?

Doesn’t he want to protect the NHS?

Hasn’t he heard that being overweight is a risk factor for the deadly virus?

389749 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to isobar, #920 of 1724 🔗

Fear porn in action. Stay sane, avoid the MSM. MW

389774 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #921 of 1724 🔗

I wouldn’t insult a pikey by comparing them to a policeman.

390115 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #922 of 1724 🔗

It’s up us to resist the plod, when they exceed their mandate, or things will only get worse.

389524 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #924 of 1724 🔗

I hate that cunt remaining unfunny twat.

389532 ▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #925 of 1724 🔗

Creepy is an under(bank)statement, glad that I don’t bank with them!

389533 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #926 of 1724 🔗

Why is he cycling in a muzzle? Pollution bad in Crouch End?

389594 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #927 of 1724 🔗

Crouch End is a scary place?

389595 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steeve, 1, #928 of 1724 🔗

Ha Stephen King did a pretty good short story set there yes!

389534 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 13, #929 of 1724 🔗

Just found this article. I am extremely sceptical about much of what Prof Pittard has to say. It seems to me that she is pre-empting claims from families that their relative died unnecessarily because they were placed on a ventilator.

For one thing, she refers to patients discussing the ventilator option and refusing. Based on comments made by experienced IC doctors, as I understand it no patient who can follow a conversation is in a state necessitating ventilation. Pittard even says that after refusal they then get sicker and sicker until they get to a point where you can’t have an ‘informed conversation’ with them…so presumably you bung them on a ventilator then, and they die, but of course it’s their fault for delaying.

She states with no shame that at the start of the pandemic the standard treatment was to sedate and intubate covid patients within 24 hours (implying there was no alternative available for consideration at the time, even though some doctors even then were advising against the wisdom of the practice). Personally I find that statement shocking. It suggests to me that there was little or no attempt made at the time to differentiate between degrees of severity of covid respiratory distress or even seriously investigate if there may have been some other underlying condition causing the symptoms.

But what I find really disturbing is her statement that “If you get to that point where you [sic] are being offered a ventilator, if you [sic] refuse there is a 100% chance you are going to die”. Really? So let me get this right. You’re capable of saying “No, I’d rather hold out another 24 hours and see how supplementary oxygen works” but that means you are 100% going to die. Not 95% or 90%. That’s an amazingly arrogant and sinister judgment call on her part.

I should add, this is the same ‘expert’ who when asked by the BBC in the autumn what evidence she herself had seen of hospitals becoming overwhelmed responded with “I haven’t seen it with my own eyes but we have all seen the pictures in the media, haven’t we?”

She strikes me as either a very dangerous individual or someone completely out of her depth.


389571 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #930 of 1724 🔗

I share all of your suspicions. She is a ‘go-to’ person for the NHS – does she actually practice or just do ‘training’ in addition to her penchant for holidays (see her CV)?

The Board | The Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine (ficm.ac.uk)

Unrelated, but having seen all the NHS propaganda on ICUs as seen through the eyes of the usual MSM shills, why have I not seen any patient in a proning position?

389840 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #931 of 1724 🔗

Thanks for your comments, TT. You’re right about the absence of images of patients in the prone position especially as doctors and nurses have been actively re-endorsing the benefits of that policy quite recently. So where are they?

“Does she actually practice?”.

Interesting that you ask that. I think the answer is most likely “No”. When the BBC asked her about the reports of overwhelmed hospitals, it was phrased along the lines of ‘From your own first-hand observations how busy are hospitals?’ By her body language and intonation, she made it eminently clear that she was affronted at the implication that she wasn’t above all that. I can’t recall her precise response but it was along the lines of “Oh no, I haven’t seen anything myself. I work full time as the Dean of the Faculty of Intensive Care Medicine …but we have all seen the pictures in the media, haven’t we?”

389577 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #932 of 1724 🔗

Wasn’t it documented in April 2020 that being on a ventilator killed true covid patients?

Sure it was.

Covid affects the lungs like high altitude sickness and ventilators damage the lungs beyond repair and kills them but 100&% oxygen at normal atmospheric pressure doesn’t.

389584 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #933 of 1724 🔗

I think the finding was that it was only likely to be beneficial in certain cases (like most medical intervention), rather than it never being appropriate.

389877 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #934 of 1724 🔗

Yes, ventilating the frail elderly rarely ends with the patient leaving hospital alive. They are just too weak and cannot be weaned off to breathe independently. Likewise those with lung damage. The the obese are difficult to ventilate without causing lung damage at the best of times. It’s the pressure needed to move the rib cage that can be a problem in the heavy, the sheer weight of fat of the chest and the abdominal fat pushing the diaphragm upwards into the chest cavity and reducing the volume available for lung expansion as well as all their metabolic problems.

389609 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #935 of 1724 🔗


We need a petition to force the option of Ivermectin treatment if anyone gets as far as needing a ventilator.

389541 Kevin 2, #936 of 1724 🔗

Hugo asks the current question:-


389543 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #937 of 1724 🔗

Public Health England’s Dr Susan Hopkins expects to start seeing the impact of the vaccine over the next two weeks. BBC live.

In other news the sun will be setting in the west.
The sleight of hand using annual flu season graphs by the propaganda teams has to be called out. They wouldn’t have dared introduce the vaccine in October, as rates of Cov (conflated with the flu, of course) would still have stubbornly gone up – until mid February, when respiratory infections will decrease (inc. Cov ), as happens every year.
Another thing to watch out for this year is in those pesky unexplained coincidental premature deaths in care homes that previously had few or no Cov cases:

389565 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 8, #938 of 1724 🔗

The impact of the vaccine would appear to have been felt in Gibraltar already.

389574 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 2, #939 of 1724 🔗

And the last 3 weeks ONS figures

389625 ▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #940 of 1724 🔗

Same trick as timing of lockdowns – wait for numbers to peak and start lockdown then – hope no-one notices that there’s no lag

389649 ▶▶ Janette, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #941 of 1724 🔗

Mmmm very strange. I note most residents of homes in the area have been vaccinated!!!

389666 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #942 of 1724 🔗

Just two more weeks… I’ve heard that before….

389561 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 13, #943 of 1724 🔗
389564 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 3, #944 of 1724 🔗

should have claimed to be “asylum seekers” just sailed up the Thames from France .

389570 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to mj, 2, #945 of 1724 🔗

Difficult to fit that many in a dinghy though. But then again!

389597 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to isobar, 1, #946 of 1724 🔗

they were already on a boat

389619 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to arfurmo, 3, #947 of 1724 🔗

Instead of using a moored boat, they should have held their boat party off the coast, as territorial waters are specifically excluded in the Coronavirus legislation.

389563 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #948 of 1724 🔗

Does anyone knw if there is any other reliable source for birth statistics apart from the ONS?

I can only find figures up to Sept. 2020 from them.

I am looking for the most current statistics possible on live births.

I think that ‘covid’ will affect birth statistics much more than death numbers.

389566 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 2, #949 of 1724 🔗

I think the problem you’re facing is the main flaw in ONS data – the difficulty of finding what you want, and the inadequacy of the search facility.

The data is probably there, and is probably the best available – but I’ve had the same problem myself.

389569 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, #950 of 1724 🔗

Yeah probably.

I’ll have to search a bit more.

389605 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 4, #951 of 1724 🔗

Probably. I know it’s no comfort, but back in April, I decided to start tracking weekly all cause mortality, and wanted a stable comparative historical base.

Finding it was a pain in the arse, and, in the end I settled for getting back to 1993 – which gave a quarter century baseline – instead of the mickey mouse 5y moving average.

The next pain in the arse was finding what should have been easy – the population estimates for each year.

I’m amaked that they haven’t sorted out the problem.

Anyway – good luck with it.

389631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, 1, #952 of 1724 🔗

I have to say I’m not entirely surprised that they don’t want their population estimates to be too readily-accessible.
Anyway, keep up your good work, Rick. It’s good journalism you’re doing- finding out what they don’t particularly want you to know.

389613 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to rockoman, 2, #953 of 1724 🔗

Parents have upto 42 days to register the birth of a live child, consequently not all 2020 births will be registered until the middle of February and thus the final ONS live birth stats for 2020 will not be out until later in 2020. The live birth rate for the UK in 2020 is estimated to be;
11.433 births per 1000 people
So for the UK as a whole that would give 762,009 live births in 2020, which if proved correct would put live births ahead of registered deaths for the year.
Whether lockdowns in 2020 will than affect the 2021 birth rate? we can only guess.

I am not aware of any birth data other than the record of registered births, I guess maternity units will keep a record but I do not know if these are collated or published. But if you have a birth at home there will be no official record of that birth until the birth is registered.

389704 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to rockoman, 2, #954 of 1724 🔗

Maybe they are still working through the backlog when register offices were closed for 4 months.

389581 frankfrankly, 10, #955 of 1724 🔗

Denmark Jutland Study in which neighbouring districts were locked down or not locked down and the virus’ progress was the same. People like Neil O’Brien should read this to hopefully put a scintilla of doubt in their mind (although I suspect their minds are completely closed).

389588 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #957 of 1724 🔗

The police in Vienna are taking their helmets off!!!!

389591 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 5, #958 of 1724 🔗

a fair fight then?

389608 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 6, #960 of 1724 🔗

Chinese controlled firms attempt to use Covid testing to assemble DNA database:


…and another conspiracy theory becomes fact…

389640 ▶▶ isobar, replying to awildgoose, 4, #961 of 1724 🔗

Has anyone ever asked how long the government keeps the DNA that it harvests from the PCR tests? Just asking for a friend.

389660 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to isobar, 1, #962 of 1724 🔗

Imperial College will have plenty too from their React surveys.

389690 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #963 of 1724 🔗

Mmm, so I guess that means that the UK Government have created a huge DNA database by stealth.

389819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to isobar, 2, #964 of 1724 🔗

Yes it has and not inadvertently.

389814 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to isobar, #965 of 1724 🔗

Until you die or are vaccinated.

389911 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to isobar, 1, #966 of 1724 🔗

What ever gives you the impression they ever delete it?

389742 ▶▶ leggy, replying to awildgoose, 1, #967 of 1724 🔗

Let’s not forget the Statutory Instrument the beloved UK govt put through earlier this year to allow them to do exactly that.


389622 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to albert hall, 15, #969 of 1724 🔗

A note to anyone who is confronted by Covidians claiming that this proves the effectiveness of masks, SD, lockdowns etc.

Flu is way down in Sweden and Belarus too.

…but not in Cambodia, with zero covid deaths and just a few hundred ‘cases’.


If these things stopped flu, then why not covid?

389711 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 1, #970 of 1724 🔗

My mum said exactly this today. I just laughed.

389627 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to albert hall, 18, #971 of 1724 🔗

Quote: “Experts believe the coronavirus pandemic has played a part in the dramatic fall in numbers, with increased hygiene and immunity leaving flu germs with nowhere to go.

Professor Martin Marshall, chairman of the Royal College of GPs, told The Sunday Times: ‘It makes sense when you consider the lockdown restrictions, social distancing measures, and increased focus on maintaining good hygiene practices we are seeing at the moment — which will work to stop the spread of contagious illnesses such as colds and flu, as well as Covid-19.'”

Bullshit. If muzzles and anti-social distancing have cleared up flu, how come they haven’t cleared up the Wuhan Lab flu? If the view of these non-experts takes hold we’ll be muzzled up every Winter from now on.

389650 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 8, #972 of 1724 🔗

For someone like him to make a public statement like that is literally incredible. It’s such obvious nonsense. He can’t possibly really believe it, can he?

389719 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, 2, #973 of 1724 🔗

Depressingly it doesn’t matter whether he believes it or not. The intellectual vacuum at the heart of our Government, sorry Dictatorship, has given free rein to the ‘great gods’ of Public Health, who we all must worship and demonstrate our unremitting belief in by wearing masks 24/7 if they have their way.

389812 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 1, #974 of 1724 🔗

No, of course he doesn’t.

389667 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to Tenchy, 2, #975 of 1724 🔗

Unbelievable comment from someone leading a Royal College.
Must say I’m very worried about the precedent this idiotic approach has set. I suppose, if they do mandate muzzles etc during the autumn & winter & there’s a normal (or above normal) flu season this winter it would disprove this rubbish (though they would no doubt spin it to suit their narrative).

389811 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tenchy, #976 of 1724 🔗

That’s if the starving mobs don’t get to them first.

389846 ▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Tenchy, 3, #977 of 1724 🔗

If one reads Hope-Simpson, the classic work on flu, then what usually happens is that a particular virus is dominant each year. This year it happens to be Covid.

The apparent lack of flu proves zero, with respect to the NPIs.

According to Dr Bhakdi, the Thai German immunologist who has written a sceptical book about Covid, the Covid test looks in a different place to where you would find flu viruses anyway. Not finding them means zero too, given that we are not testing for them, and attributing all flu like illness to Covid.

We truly are living in a post Enlightenment era of hysteria.

389618 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 19, #978 of 1724 🔗

I’ve hit the wall today !! & I’m lucky enough to have kept on working , Few items that have sent me to the brickwork ! 1 – Trudeau after inviting every dubious migrant he could into a peaceful , vast country with similar but not so sullied values to the uk ( always a possible emigration place for my kids ) he’s arresting Canadians as they return from flights and interning them , I know what the camps that they were rumoured to building are for now !! ( any migrants in there ? ) 2- SAGE about to demand masks everywhere 3- Desmond Swayne getting bullied by his own crew ! Gove in particular (Fucking traitor ) 4- last Friday 5pm,s sneaky new laws by whankcock & then reading Delingpoles piece in TCWoman with the only statistics that are required to put us RIGHT !! WTF are we waiting for ??? It will soon be too late 😫 😭 😭 😭

389623 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #979 of 1724 🔗

I assume that’s a photo of Trudeau ATL……looks like some fucking pillock on his gap year.

389654 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #980 of 1724 🔗

He hasn’t changed much.

389686 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #981 of 1724 🔗

Nah can’t be, Trudeau’s black.

389876 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #982 of 1724 🔗

He’s Cubano -Afro. The Cold Canuck winters have bleached out the soul brotha

389621 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 21, #983 of 1724 🔗

When is the vaccine against Tony Blair coming? I can’t carry on much more…

389655 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #984 of 1724 🔗

The Miranda vaccine is still in early trials so should be approved by the MHRA tomorrow!

390325 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #985 of 1724 🔗

of course and its already 100% effective against all variants even those not yet varied. trebles all round !

389810 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #986 of 1724 🔗

Good candidate for an anal swab.

389867 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Annie, #987 of 1724 🔗

A baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire anal swab.
And into Cherie B’s slotgob straight after

389630 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #988 of 1724 🔗
389637 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #989 of 1724 🔗

Yeah right, the cheque is in the post

389658 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #990 of 1724 🔗

…. and even by the Euromomo rather dodgy methodology, Ireland has no visible problem.

(I’ve just been looking at the Euromomo charts, and the above-baseline calculations for England are weird in the extreme if you’re familiar with the raw numbers. Fundamentally, the model they use seems to have disappeared up its own arse in terms of connection to reality).

389703 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #991 of 1724 🔗

How so? Some stuff looks especially weird.

389706 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #992 of 1724 🔗

Then we have this next door?

389766 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #993 of 1724 🔗

Yes – it is weird, isn’t it? I’ve been thinking about it in the shower 🙂

I think the essence of the weirdness is fairly simple (and results from the common failure of avoiding the most parsimonious analysis).

So we end up with derived z-scores from a derived, theoretical distribution – i.e. it’s another modeling distortion, not a direct portrayal of actual data.

Clearly, the autumn-winter z-scores end up being wildly exaggerated compared with when you calculate/map them against a realistic actual median or mean (which I have done). I think the recent ‘England’ chart is probably extreme in its perception error (note that it is classed as having ‘Extraordinarily High Excess’. This is total bollocks, even with the relatively high levels in early January, and was only achieved briefly in April at the height of the spike – which can be seen in the actual data.

So – again – the mathematical modelers have screwed things up by playing at analysis by numcbers, but without checking with reality and their eyes.

I’d be interested in other takes – but that’s mine

389798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 1, #994 of 1724 🔗

If you are implying that the government and it’s mathematical modellers are lying their bloody heads off, then I completely go along with what what say.

389990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Rowan, 1, #995 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think Euromomo (not government) is ‘lying’.

I think they’ve just lost touch with the basics of good analysis.

389636 BJJ, replying to BJJ, 45, #996 of 1724 🔗

Of course I don´t believe in the “Virus”. I have known from the start that this was a false narrative. I watched an interview with Professor Iohannidis in March, where he laid out the facts of the matter. I noticed early on the sinister banning of HCQ in France by people colluding with big Pharma, the fake research of the effects of the same in Canada and elsewhere and generally speaking strange behaviour of medical professionals. All cause death statistics bear this out. There is no The Plague. Of course there are a lot of different pathogens circulating as always, and it is perfectly possible that a nasty coronovirus is causing some extra deaths. It is also possible that this is because some Gain of Function experiments went wrong. Anders Tegnell of Sweden used to say when asked whether his guidelines would be proportional and sufficient, said: we will see when a year has passed. I also remember everyone talking about this “novel” virus and we don´t know enough about it.
But now as year has passed, and the numbers are in. And the numbers say that this has been a worse flu or virus year than the year before. That´s all. The NPI measures have had no effect at all, other than possibly weaken our health and our immune system which will come to haunt us in the future. The measures taken are so imbicilic, that many of us have been reasoning that this cannot be due solely to incompetence.
I believe that there are many strange ingredients in this whitches´ brew but what matters now are the literary qualities of the narrative. As the numbers show, this narrative is a big lie and to maintain it, there needs to be a constant production of new lies. But the laws of literature / narrative do not support a never ending story. The credibility of the narrative will be damaged, the excitement fades and people will start looking for a new story. This is what is happening now. The tragedies of the Lockdown measures will start competing with the (boring now) tragedies of the Granny murders (Ladykillers). I see some of the scared professors are now becoming afraid of this development like Devi Shridar and others. They do not want to be trampled to death when the herd turns. It happens suddenly like the fall of the Schutzmauer. Not slowly and gives no warning ahead. But the numbers are in. Prepare for the shift. Governments can only control the narrative for so long.

389651 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BJJ, 27, #997 of 1724 🔗

I really hope your right and the stampeading normies make a b-line for these bastards who have for the sake of their own careers, nothing more, have caused HUGE amounts of damage to the population of the world.

Damage caused by the lies, the absolute ABUSE of data, the psychological coercion. All to push a new experimental drug that would never get approval for anything for use on any other group than the terminally ill.

They synically push out, day after day, month after month weaponised propaganda. Using public health as a marketing campaign for big pharma.

They have blood on their hands. Lots of it. They should be DROWNING IN BLOOD, 200 million people in the world now living BELOW the poverty line due to their BULLSHIT.

They should be stripped of their titles, stripped of their assets, never be allowed to work professionally again. They should be rightly pilloried in public and ridiculed mercilessly for the rest of their evil rotten lives.

We know who they are. They know who they are. These people know they are due a reckoning. I can’t wait to see it.

389674 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 19, #998 of 1724 🔗

The budget in early March should concentrate a few minds.
The almost total blackout on the coming economic catastrophe cannot be sustained.

389971 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 1, #999 of 1724 🔗

a b-line

If you’re in a meditative mood, I enjoyed this video that illustrates the origin of the term bee-line:

Bee Hunting: Finding a Wild Colony of Honey Bees

390105 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1000 of 1724 🔗

I can’t see this happening. We are the few who are prepared to stick our heads above the parapet. We are a tiny minority. Most people in this country believe that the government is solicitous of them and are passive in their consumption of the messages being drilled into their heads by the 24 hr news cycle.

On Wednesdays I have taken to driving to a farmers market to buy food in the open so I don’t have to see masks. This week to my horror all the stall holders were muzzled outside ffs. I complained to the lady in charge and she told me that they were told to do this or have the market shut down, She knew it was not part of a legal requirement outdoors but what could she do? She peeled off a dirty dripping wet mask ( it was raining) to explain. I said my piece and then stood in the veg queue only to have a masked woman tell me curtly to “stand 2 metres away” from her.

I came home and wept with despair. I’m sorry Two -Six but bar a total show of civil disobedience ( how likely ?) I think life as we know it is finished.

389888 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to BJJ, 3, #1001 of 1724 🔗

I agree with much of what you’re saying except I don’t think that the end of the narrative will spell the end of the insanity. We have effectively transitioned into a form of tech-totalitarianism and most people simply are too lazy to want out of it. People like the path of least resistance. They like being home all day; they like not dealing with boredom or stressors. Even if they stop selling the virus tomorrow, they will still want the work and schooling from home, the nonstop distractions, the life of scrolling. They might justify it with global warming or whatever new reasons, but so long as the public likes this lifestyle, and the infrastructure for it is there, I don’t see it going away. I see it getting worse. A few of us might object, the rest will just go on living their lives in the new virtual realms. It makes me very sick and sad. It’s no life. But most people are idiots who find life too challenging and will line up eagerly to turn themselves into robots.

389648 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 44, #1002 of 1724 🔗

I was just reading about Nadhim Zahawi’s uncle. When an 88 year old person dies of covid or with covid or at all, surely it cannot be a tragedy? When my mother died, surprisingly aged 78 (although with significant health problems) no one connected thought it was a tragedy. Far from it. Our lives aren’t ours to extend indefinately. The kind of absurd hubris that goes too the madness of confidently stating YOU can control a virus. There is a serious lack of humility.

389659 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Niborxof, 27, #1003 of 1724 🔗

He was 88? FFS. Realistically, how much longer could he reasonably expect to live? 88 is a fantastic age. We seem to think we have some kind of entitlement to live as long as we want.

389708 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo Starlin, 19, #1004 of 1724 🔗

So true. On another (admittedly bedwetting) board, someone’s 97 year old, long term care home resident grandmother died (with Covid of course). There were then ten pages of “sorry for your loss” “so unfair!” weeping and wailing. Yes she will be missed, but really? Are we allowed to mention “good innings” anymore?

389730 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fiona Walker, 11, #1005 of 1724 🔗

Completely agree. The natural passing of a 97 year old is not a tragedy, to call it so devalues the word entirely.

389830 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #1006 of 1724 🔗

Agree. My father passed away at 89 in 2015.

It was really from old age although he had sepsis, diabetes, a previous heart attack and kidney failure. Plus evidence of a respiratory infection at the end.

A few months before he passed away, he eat a Kit Kat in his care home. I was visiting and stupidly told him to mind his diabetes. He (sensibly) told me that diabetes was the least of his concerns.

He understood reality. Our current hysteria seems to be denying reality.

390025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Stephensceptic, 5, #1007 of 1724 🔗

My Aunt many years ago was in terminal decline from lung cancer. Went to visit and found her sitting in the garden smoking a non filtered Players Navy Cut. I can remember her saying “Won’t do me any harm now!”

390021 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #1008 of 1724 🔗

Exactly what my Mum would have said, but she got to 94!

389661 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Niborxof, 23, #1009 of 1724 🔗

I posted some thoughts about this earlier. I wonder whether the removal of our rights to offer comfort and companionship to loved ones at the end of life and our rights to mourn them in time-honoured ways has resulted in an inability to face up to, and process grief and accept the inevitable. Rituals around death have evolved to help us deal with grief – every culture has them – one more aspect of being human that we have been robbed of.

389665 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #1010 of 1724 🔗

Good point. I posted the other day about somebody painting the death of an 87 year old as a tragedy rather than the end of a fortunate life.

389675 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 8, #1011 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely anyone who gets to 80 has done fantastically well.

389662 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Niborxof, 18, #1012 of 1724 🔗

Yes – the unrealism beats me. The dominant emotional framework seems to be derived from soaps rather than reality. It’s self-indulgent.

389687 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 9, #1013 of 1724 🔗

I think you’ve hit a nail on the head there.

Over the last few years quite a few people seem to have gained ever more of their ‘memories’ and ‘ecperiences’ vicariously from soaps and other electronically mediated stuff, rather than from their own lives.

389744 ▶▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to rockoman, 7, #1014 of 1724 🔗

As someone whose father passed away unexpectedly 2 days before Diana – I found all the. MSM hysteria and grieving over her death quite astonishing. One wonders what it would be like now in the smart phone age!!?

389735 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 14, #1015 of 1724 🔗

Well said. I keep coming back to Baudrillard, but his point is so clear now – fake news, fake crisis, fake economy, fake politics, fake emotions, fake friends, fake aspirations, fake values, our society is a simulation completely detatched from anything real. The symbols are all mistaken for reality, when they are nothing of the kind. It’s just a fucking retard fantasyland.

This is probably why the greatest salve to all of this nonsense is to go out into nature and get close to something real and tangible. More so if you can be a bit meditative, and just let go of thoughts, concepts, naming conventions and just be as you are in the moment. None of this new age bullshit, just stfu and experience the real.

389747 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1016 of 1724 🔗

This is precisely what the people running this op want.

They want us atomized and living in the fake, simulated world presented to us via TV and the Internet.

389805 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1017 of 1724 🔗

Agreed. Nature is real.

389856 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, #1018 of 1724 🔗

Keep it up- GS- if your PR job persuades a few more to read JB, your life won’t have been entirely wasted.

390072 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to GrannySlayer, #1019 of 1724 🔗

If Baudrillard was here today looking at the collective behaviour of people he would see it as a huge social game in which masks as ‘signs’ are the pivotal point of this madness. He saw consumers living a kind of sheltered life because we employ primitive magical thinking. The more the mask is worn or ‘performed’ the more the activity shelters people from reality.

389680 ▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Niborxof, 17, #1020 of 1724 🔗

I so agree. If I get to 80, I will be grateful for every day, but accept that I’m in God’s waiting room!
My parents are 92 and 86. They’ve had good long lives without too many health problems. When they go, it will be a natural part of life.

389681 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Niborxof, 16, #1021 of 1724 🔗

Zahawi was quoted as using the phrase “this evil virus”. Idiotic anthropomorphism – one might as well berate a chlorine gas molecule.

389807 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Edward, 2, #1022 of 1724 🔗

I’ve met some really depraved Cl molecules in my life, quite out of control. It’s a dangerous nanoworld out there.

390428 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Annie, #1023 of 1724 🔗

I had to have words with one in a pub once. It was the most idiotic, drunken molecule I have ever encountered.

389693 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Niborxof, 12, #1024 of 1724 🔗

it would be a tragedy if an 88 year old was caught in the crossfire of a gang turf war. but dying at 88 of the sort of thing that kills 88 year olds isn’t a tragedy

389734 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to steve_w, 4, #1025 of 1724 🔗

It might be a tragedy if they died following a vaccine that wouldn’t have helped them anyway.

389789 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jos, 4, #1026 of 1724 🔗

As many have and many more will follow .

Despite the early deaths the main problems with these “vaccines” will likely only show up a little further down the depopulation road.

389727 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Niborxof, 16, #1027 of 1724 🔗

My Great Grandmother passed away peacefully in her house aged 103 from pneumonia. No one was blamed for giving it to her and it wasn’t tragic.

389790 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1028 of 1724 🔗

Seriously?? His uncle had a good run.

Why does he think its a tragedy?

390050 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1029 of 1724 🔗

Similar comment on Telegraph:
“I can remember a time when an 88 year old man, dying from a winter flu varient, was regarded as part of the ‘great cycle’ of life and death.

Now its regarded as a moral outrage.”

And someone’s Reply
” Many of us regard every life as valuable and worth trying to save. You obviously don’t. Despicable.”

Not sure how long this person expects everyone to live. Indefinitely, presumably.

389653 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #1030 of 1724 🔗

Incredibly managed to bag a Tesco C&C for next Sunday pm as can’t get everything down the market or local delivering indies. Like spotting an oasis in the desert. Another £137 not going to Aldi. #notstarvinginfebruary

389803 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1031 of 1724 🔗

Tesco CC is very good. The only drawback is wondering whether you’ll manage to get a slot. So far we’ve only missed one week, and that was the week of the-Christmas-that-Dungford-killed.
Can’t see myself ever crawling round another beastly supermarket ever again. They were horrible even before they were turned into zombie hell.
Local greengrocer, local butcher, local free-range eggs, local veg – all great.

389909 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #1032 of 1724 🔗

Yes this was the only slot in the next 3 weeks for me – someone must have cancelled. Supermarkets are unpleasant – hard surfaces everywhere, draining lighting that makes you feel like it’s 3am, Pavlovian layouts, artificial-feeling at some instinctive level. Very useful though but C&C gets round that.

389663 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 52, #1033 of 1724 🔗

Just come back from my local shopping area,it really is uplifting, kids on the park happy and playing,big que outside Nero for coffee, couples holding hands, group’s talking joking,no muzzles,no distancing, loads out walking making the best of life.. Even an old train robber like me felt a little emotional..

389685 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1034 of 1724 🔗

were you in your WW1 gas mask? 🙂

389697 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 17, #1035 of 1724 🔗

Fuck no not a mask to be seen,the WW2 comes out to fuck up those with an attitude problem towards us sceptics..

389707 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #1036 of 1724 🔗

I have enjoyed your mask diaries . I had a friend in hysterics last night summarising your ‘work’

389722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 13, #1037 of 1724 🔗

Hopefully one day the mask can go back in it’s box..it does fuck em off though..

389792 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #1038 of 1724 🔗

Three cheers for human beings!

389671 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 53, #1039 of 1724 🔗

Drove to the park and had a nice walk around with my daughters. Needed it after my crackup yesterday. Absolutely hundreds of people around and loads of kids in the play areas, plus groups of teenagers on their bikes or messing about. Good to see.

389683 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #1040 of 1724 🔗

good for you. I hope you are feeling better. The thing that keeps our household sane is going out and letting the kids run off their energy

389688 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo Starlin, 24, #1041 of 1724 🔗

Yes my friend you stay strong, people are out there making the best of this,the human spirit will prevail ..

389701 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #1042 of 1724 🔗

Cheers Bruce. Me and you will have a good drink together one day, I swear it.

389709 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #1043 of 1724 🔗

Yes my friend that would be nice something to look forward to.

389791 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1044 of 1724 🔗

Grand, Jo.
We all break down from time to time, but people like you put themselves together and carry on.
All the very best to you and your family.

389844 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, 1, #1045 of 1724 🔗

Thanks Annie!

389818 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #1046 of 1724 🔗

Good luck Jo. Children know when something’s genuine. There’s nothing wrong in their seeing that Dad is a genuine human being – including facing difficulties head on. Far, far better that, with the ups and downs, than they are taught to cower away from shadows.

389852 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1047 of 1724 🔗

Yes that’s nice to hear. We were out and about and saw lots of people too although did see the odd masked mutt

389673 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 46, #1048 of 1724 🔗

Our exercise today took us from Bethnal Green to the Olympic Park and as we walked past the Olympic stadium, it got me thinking:

If this was genuinely about health then where are our sports people – footballers, tennis stars, rugby and cricket players, Olympic champions?

The government could have enlisted their help in a health blitz to get people to get active, eat sensibly, exercise and taking supplements.

Why are they not speaking out against lockdowns and how its harming people’s health and well being?

They should hang their heads in shame for their colossal failure and betrayal of the people who look up to them as role models.

389677 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #1049 of 1724 🔗

Why doesn’t the government send packets of Vitamin D tablets to every household?

389682 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to rockoman, 24, #1050 of 1724 🔗

Because they are in the pockets of big pharma. Cheap solutions don’t help the agenda to destroy the country, either. It’s not just the economy it’s the people themselves who are being destroyed. It’s so sad.

389763 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to this is my username, 5, #1051 of 1724 🔗

And the destruction of the people is wholly intentional.

389691 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 12, #1052 of 1724 🔗

And of course this was coming

389753 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1053 of 1724 🔗

The wheels are coming off the lockdown zealot wagon generally:


All together now!:


389796 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1054 of 1724 🔗

This would be useful to share. Do we have a source or reference please?

389731 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, #1055 of 1724 🔗

Because it would end it in no time and that would spoil this whole opportunistic thing they’ve got going here

389761 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to rockoman, 4, #1056 of 1724 🔗

Because Bill Gates wouldn’t like that.

389773 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to rockoman, 1, #1057 of 1724 🔗

Because there is no money in it.

389782 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rockoman, 1, #1058 of 1724 🔗

Good question. I suspect because it doesn’t make money for Big Pharma.

389695 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #1059 of 1724 🔗

Come on Bart. Getting active? Eating sensibly? Exercising? Taking supplements? Don’t you understand that true health comes from needles and masks?

389759 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1060 of 1724 🔗

The government is working to Bill Gate’s depopulation agenda. It has no interest in making people healthier.

389854 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1061 of 1724 🔗

They would be dropped by teams and governing bodies and not compete internationally again. That’s why.

390026 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ituex, 3, #1062 of 1724 🔗

You would have thought retired athletes like Kelly Holmes, Steve Redgrave, Jessica Ennis Hill & Tim Henman would have spoken out given they’ve got nothing left to prove.

389684 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1063 of 1724 🔗

How come all the rule breakers are still alive?

389692 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cecil B, 12, #1064 of 1724 🔗

The devil looks after his own 😉

389758 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1065 of 1724 🔗

well god does work in mysterious ways…

389754 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1066 of 1724 🔗

They know better than to take the vaccines.

389698 Banjones, 7, #1067 of 1724 🔗

I’ve just been watching some American news channels.
It suddenly struck me (watching Bidet speaking to his son) how convenient these muzzles are for them! Even expert lip-readers are now redundant as whispered, passed-on instructions can be relayed to recalcitrant sons without anyone knowing.
And no doubt our lot have figured that out too.

389700 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #1068 of 1724 🔗


all the numbers plummeting. they must be because I keep hearing politicians and medics saying the numbers may be rising more slowly

389724 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #1069 of 1724 🔗

peak in cases = 1 Jan
peak on admissions = 9 Jan
peak in patients = 19 Jan
peak in ventilators = 22 Jan
peak in deaths = 17 Jan

false positives

389717 james007, replying to james007, 30, #1070 of 1724 🔗

So as usual I am confused. On their own numbers 120k are expected to have died “of” Covid, with a further 100k deaths caused by the lockdown.
They say that without lockdowns twice as many would have died “of” covid.

With lockdown 220k deaths
Without lockdown 240k deaths.

I am sure focused protection plus hygiene and reasonable measures would have saved at least 20k lives.
It seems like the greatest seizure of civil and religious liberty ever, is a rather high price to pay for this supposed benefit.

389721 ▶▶ CGL, replying to james007, 6, #1071 of 1724 🔗

Plus we know the cost of the lockdown will be at least double that anyway.

389729 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to CGL, 4, #1072 of 1724 🔗

And the deaths “of” covid far lower

389736 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to james007, 1, #1073 of 1724 🔗


389784 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to james007, 6, #1074 of 1724 🔗

Remember that recent Swedish research into Care Homes?

It came to the conclusion that only 17% of attributed ‘Covid’ deaths were actually the case in terms of the sole or main cause.

389746 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CGL, 9, #1075 of 1724 🔗

The cost of the lockdowns will have been minimised and we know that Covid deaths have been very substantially inflated.

389725 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to james007, 3, #1076 of 1724 🔗

Lockdowns are pointless, as we all know.
Have a look at the statistics presented by Ivor Cummins – not opinion.


But, of course, we all know that we’re preaching to the converted here. It’s just good to remind one another of particularly interesting stuff.

389720 DRW, replying to DRW, 1, #1077 of 1724 🔗

Ivor Cummins’ latest video covers Asia-Pacific before Jan 2020:

As much as I like him it’d be nice if he did more snappier videos for arguing with simply programmed sheeples.

389733 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DRW, 5, #1078 of 1724 🔗

Sorry – just saw yours. Repeated the link down below.
Your’re right – it’d be good to get snappier things. But perhaps he’s playing more to the Irish audience and needs to be gentle.

(I do wish he wouldn’t say ”Haitch” though! Otherwise – no complaints!)

389728 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1079 of 1724 🔗

There are so many hugely qualified, massively experienced individuals that the government call call upon.

I just don’t see how, in view of this graph:

389732 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1080 of 1724 🔗

And this one, how anyone, let alone 101 scientific whizzos, could possibly maintain that there has been a real pandemic of any description.

That just isn’t what it would look like.

I’m obviously missing something……

389778 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1081 of 1724 🔗

I’ve now calculated for the complete year.

Mortality is above average, but, as you indicate, not ‘unprecedentedly’ so.

12 years since 1993 are at or above 2020 levels of all-cause mortality.

389737 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 44, #1082 of 1724 🔗

Depressing article in today’s Telegraph by Paul Nuki, the paper’s WHO/SAGE/WEF propagandist in residence. In essence, it appears that a number of “modellers” and officials want to retain the lockdown for the rest of the year because of doubts about the efficacy of the vaccines. Of course, they don’t consider how the country could afford this policy or have any concern about increasing unemployment, poverty and mental illness. It may come to the point where mass non-compliance will be the only way to stop these people getting what they want.

389768 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to JamesM, 17, #1083 of 1724 🔗

Doubts about the efficacy of the vaccines? The one way out of this ‘crisis? I thought any criticism of the vaccines was tantamount to heresy! In a way, this could be what finally awakens the masses to the fact that all this has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling a virus.

389772 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to happychappy, 8, #1084 of 1724 🔗

Correct. Government using for own nefarious purposes.

389776 ▶▶ alw, replying to JamesM, 10, #1085 of 1724 🔗

He is Bill Gates shill. Gates Foundation made a three and a half million donation to the floundering Torygraph.

390155 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to alw, #1086 of 1724 🔗
390223 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #1087 of 1724 🔗

And I’ve just cancelled my subscription – which I only took out so I could access the links ATL.

389785 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JamesM, 5, #1088 of 1724 🔗

Is that the one with the glorious comment section? It was full of hate previously.

389808 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1089 of 1724 🔗

Oh, no…. it’s just the same article tweaked and republished. Wow, great value for money news website.

389786 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JamesM, 13, #1090 of 1724 🔗

One certainty to be drawn from this shit-show is that you should never base decisions on epidemiological models.

389820 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JamesM, 10, #1091 of 1724 🔗

The online article was posted on here last night, virtually 100% sceptical comments though unless the censorbot and/or 77th have since been activated.

389743 mhcp, 7, #1092 of 1724 🔗

One of the interesting consequences of the lockdowns is that in the US and other countries, the subsistance money was used to purchase shares including Gamestop, Nokia and Blackberry.

389750 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 10, #1093 of 1724 🔗

I would like to know how accessible corona tests are in other European countries.
I believe that Britain is the only country which sends test kits to homes and as we know, even went door to door to offer kits.
In Germany one can only get tested at a doctors office or official govt. sites.
Of course our “cases” are sky high and the govt wants us to be positive.

390217 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, 1, #1094 of 1724 🔗

Surely if you are feeling wretched with flu-like symptoms, you shouldn’t have to venture out to your doctor’s?

389752 leggy, replying to leggy, 50, #1095 of 1724 🔗

I was reading the article in the Mail linked ABL about the colossal amount of collateral deaths caused by lockdown and happened upon this comment:

My 29 yr old daughter died because her heart operation was postponed from March to October.. The handling of critical non Covid cases has been shambolic. NHS England and this Government has blood on its hands. Why were the Nightingale hospitals not set up as isolation Covid centres allowing regular hospitals to get back to saving lives of those not with Covid. I also call for an enquiry into how NHS resources were used by private health to deal with their critical cases. Have NHS cases been pushed to the back of the queue? Money should not be an issue it such be decided on a purely clinical basis. Come clean NHS England. We need total transparency when it comes to life or death operations. I would have sold our house to save our daughter if I had to but we rely on the NHS to treat us equally. I want to see evidence that they have.

How many thousands more stories like this are yet to be told I wonder.

389769 ▶▶ alw, replying to leggy, 7, #1096 of 1724 🔗

Sorry to hear of your loss. Whilst I have no doubt aboutthe seriousness of the virus for some, the government for its own malign purposes have made a bad situation a disaster all round.

390152 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to alw, #1097 of 1724 🔗

Not leggy’s loss, he (she/it) was quoting from a newspaper article.

389770 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, 8, #1098 of 1724 🔗

I really hope they don’t get away with this, politicians decided who will live or die to suit their agenda. Should never have happened. But Hancock said in Parliament it would.

389924 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1099 of 1724 🔗

Why should HE care? He is protected by OUR money.

389787 ▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 4, #1100 of 1724 🔗

Murder file. Murder by neglect.

389921 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 6, #1102 of 1724 🔗

And why should the smug, comfortable and arrogant buggers in Parliament care one iota about this kind of tragedy? It wouldn’t happen to them and theirs because they have plenty of back up with medical insurance and other support.

389755 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #1103 of 1724 🔗

I see some efficient, enthusiastic contributor to Wikipedia has added to Sumption’s entry a detailed account of the Question Time exchange. The section on his views on the coronamadness is larger than the rest of the article. An interesting way to evaluate his career as a historian, advocate and judge.

389825 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, 5, #1104 of 1724 🔗

As far as I’m aware you can delete it all if you like – just as someone decided to add it. Click on the “View History” tab to see how many recent contributors there’s been.

389847 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1105 of 1724 🔗

Yes, I am sure you can though I reckon it would reinstated as fast as it could be deleted. What might be more fun is to add some citations to people who have defended what he said, given that they’ve got some obviously from those condemning him. I imagine they’d also get removed, but the bias would be more obvious

389756 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1106 of 1724 🔗

Blair is up on sky news red pencil in hand (man of action) spouting about the EU squabble and NI. His tie happens to be purple.

It is as though he is a go to guy for the hidden elites, none of the rest of them have any public connection whatsoever so roll out the lame blair to knock heads together and set down the law. Just my speculation, but his tie was purple.

389760 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 6, #1107 of 1724 🔗

Has he got his shirt sleeves rolled up?

389767 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1108 of 1724 🔗

Red pencil/pen is the new sleeves rolled up.

389802 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basics, 3, #1109 of 1724 🔗

sounds like a promotion, shirt sleeves to red pen

389797 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 13, #1110 of 1724 🔗

Was he on fire? Please say he was on fire.

389800 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Basics, 10, #1111 of 1724 🔗

My opinion of what B liar is up to – always wanted ID cards so using the situation to achieve it. Secondly positioning himself for a labour win at the next election (he hopes), so the UK can return to being a member of the EU and he can then fulfil his wish to be president of the EU. Never waste a good crisis and all that.

390122 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1112 of 1724 🔗

Start looking for connections between the Tony Blair Foundation, GAVI and the Gates Foundation. I’m sure you will find a few similarities in aims and personel.

389960 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basics, 3, #1113 of 1724 🔗

So someone opened his coffin? Was it still daylight when he was on Sky news? Was the interviewer wearing a crucifix and some garlic around their neck, just in case??

389762 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1114 of 1724 🔗

Hancock talks about the wonderful summer we’ll have, Liz Truss slaps him down

389906 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1115 of 1724 🔗

Lucky woman, whens it my turn?

389764 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1116 of 1724 🔗

BLM nominated for Nobel peace prize. News to me. Who has given back their prize so far?

I just noticed this is off topic.

389780 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 8, #1117 of 1724 🔗

It was mentioned in either yesterday or the day before’s Woke Gobblegdygook section.

This nomination is symptomatic of the corruption associated with the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize:


389783 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #1118 of 1724 🔗

Thanks. Behind the times here. Greta was a low too, it seems Nobel has been knobbled.

390022 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 1, #1119 of 1724 🔗

You’re welcome. I first came across this after reading the Spectator’s book review then stumbled upon this interview. Darren Grimes’ interview technique is good – one that the BBC should sit up and take notice.

389827 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 5, #1120 of 1724 🔗

Not sure if anyone has ever given the prize back, but Obama got it & subsequently bombed 7 Muslim-majority countries (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Syria), and the committee had a clear case of buyer’s remorse, & the Secretary, in interviews, clearly indicated it was a mistake.

389829 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 7, #1121 of 1724 🔗

I seem to remember he got the award having been in office for eight days.

389849 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1122 of 1724 🔗

Henry Kissinger tried to give his back after the fall of Saigon in 1975, but was apparently rebuffed.

389890 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, #1123 of 1724 🔗

Well Nobel did sell explosives – a reward for a good customer?

389928 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basics, #1124 of 1724 🔗

so I guess it’s a rematch of Trump vs BLM

389781 JASA, replying to JASA, 38, #1125 of 1724 🔗

I came across this comment on another site. “Screening everyone day after day or weekly at great cost is about as useful as pregnancy testing men with no symptoms of morning sickness”. Brilliant.

389837 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to JASA, 3, #1126 of 1724 🔗

And was specifically not recommended in the 2011 Influenza Pandemic Prep.Plan-only medical staff and those with symptoms.

390204 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to frankfrankly, #1127 of 1724 🔗

Because they didn’t have the magic money tree to pay for it then.

389788 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1128 of 1724 🔗

Dan J Gregory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAX49_IkZaw

What is causing the sudden rise in mortality in the UK? From Jan 28. 50 mins
After a stark rise in all-cause mortality within the over 80s and across other age groups in the United Kingdom in the first few weeks of January, it is important to enquire what has led to this sudden dramatic shift.

Whilst the media mainstream have been pre-occupied with the 100,000 covid-19 death toll, most have failed to comment on the sudden shifts in overall mortality in England and Wales.

In this episode we explore some of the potential reasons for the sudden increase in all-cause mortality.

Please subscribe to the Pandemic Podcast for future updates: http://www.danjgregory.com/pandemic

389794 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1129 of 1724 🔗

Lockdowns kill?

389880 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 7, #1130 of 1724 🔗
  1. Loneliness – no social life = nothing to live for
  2. Damaged immune system from self isolating
  3. Bad flu year *
  4. Inadequate flu vaccine *
  5. It’s been a cold, damp few weeks.
  • Yeah yeah flu has been eradicated.
389958 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 2, #1131 of 1724 🔗

Or the vaccine.

390200 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, #1132 of 1724 🔗


389804 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1134 of 1724 🔗

She gives an excellent presentation, well worth watching. Someone posted it yesterday, including the bitchute link as they expected it would be taken down from YouTube.


389816 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #1135 of 1724 🔗

She knows her stuff, and explains it well, including why BAME people are right to be suspicious of this push to vaccinate them first. (All in the name of racial justice, too). She’s not overwhelmingly alpha-female, unlike Lee Merritt, who I prefer, but can be “too much” for people who like their bad news delivered by a “nice girl”.

This is the one I’m sending my family elders to consider prior to their vaccination for which I believe they’re being called next week. There is, ultimately, very little I can do to dissuade them, but they deserve a bit more balance.

389842 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1136 of 1724 🔗

Yes I know what you mean. I’m lucky that my mum (82) has already refused it (I’m not going to be a guinea pig). But too late for mum/dad in law, they’re fully signed up and had it today. I will be getting hubby to watch it though. And my sister and son.

389839 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1137 of 1724 🔗

And while it’s still available:
Masks: the science with Dr.Lee Merritt

I haven’t watched it, but am sharing anyway.

389806 leggy, replying to leggy, 4, #1138 of 1724 🔗

Just seen on the Talk Radio FB page:

BREAKING: Captain Sir Tom Moore has tested positive for Covid-19 and has been admitted to hospital where he is being treated for pneumonia, his daughter Hannah said in a statement.

389821 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to leggy, 1, #1139 of 1724 🔗

Didn’t he get his covid experimental biologic?

389823 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leggy, 17, #1140 of 1724 🔗

Oh God it’ll be a state funeral and illegal not to watch it. The man is one hundred years old for goodness’ sake.

389850 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1141 of 1724 🔗

My immediate thought: Diana II.

389826 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to leggy, 1, #1142 of 1724 🔗

Wasn’t he vaccinated??

389855 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 3, #1144 of 1724 🔗

Not the same person.
I imagine the Fascists would have been reluctant to give Tom-the—Zombies’-Idol any snake oil, just in case he died suspiciously soon afterwards

389870 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to LMS2, 2, #1145 of 1724 🔗

No because he has had pneumonia for weeks.

389832 ▶▶ mj, replying to leggy, 8, #1146 of 1724 🔗

all those future quality years in jeopardy

389857 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to leggy, 10, #1147 of 1724 🔗

I’m genuinely confused how the older folks are getting this… at such a grand age they aren’t exactly running around Tesco, or skipping down the high street and probably at home pretty much all the time. And surely any carers etc are wearing masks and taking precautions. But still the older folks are coming down, or at least test positive with the dodgy tests.

389895 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #1148 of 1724 🔗

From my reading I think coronaviruses are all over the place, all the time in Winter in the mid-latitides – because of temperature and humidity conditions.

Consider how many in care homes are still getting ill despite all of the distancing and PPE etc – it seems to me clear that personal contact is not the main means of transmission. Rather, transmission is probably by means of aerosols.

389901 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to leggy, 5, #1149 of 1724 🔗

I’m starting to rue the day i ever heard of him, i was sick of seeing his name 5 minutes after the first time, this is one death of an old dodger that wont be tragic!

389923 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1150 of 1724 🔗

Not tragic at his age, but it will trigger deluges of zombie hysteria.
It’s us sceptics that will have killed him, for sure.
That said, he ain’t dead yet.

389965 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1151 of 1724 🔗

You should see the graffiti around where he lives. Religious mania doesn’t scrap the surface.

389865 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to eptwll, 9, #1153 of 1724 🔗

It’s the gift that will keep on giving. Did anyone actually believe it would be one and done? Or two and done in this case. Customers for life is the end game.

389897 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1154 of 1724 🔗

This is a bi-monthly experiment soon we’ll vaccinated against unworthy opinions once a week.

390123 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to eptwll, #1155 of 1724 🔗

Good grief. At this rate, we’ll have to be vaxxed every week!!

389815 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1156 of 1724 🔗

I expect this has been discussed before but I cannot find much about the subject and so my question is, where does SARS-Cov2 go in the summer? Some viruses such as Chicken Pox seem to be able to go into a fully dormant state for a long time but do we have any idea whether SARS-Cov2 can have a latent infection stage and lie dormant for some time? Or maybe it just circulates at such low levels and with so little impact that nobody notices?
If it does have any ability to be latent/dormant then this would be another reason why ‘Zero Covid’ is such a silly idea.

389833 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #1157 of 1724 🔗

True, but ultimately it is a just a coronavirus, no reason to think it won’t behave just like the other coronaviruses. In fact, if it hadn’t been for governments elevating this virus for nefarious means, it would probably end up being classed as common cold, along with the other coronaviruses.

389841 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #1158 of 1724 🔗

Ivor Cummins cover dormancy for various viruses / virions in this one:

389848 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Nessimmersion, #1159 of 1724 🔗

Thanks will have a watch

389893 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #1160 of 1724 🔗

Spot f*c*i*g on, YES hallelujah, you got it, what made covid19 so dangerous was government response.

390113 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1161 of 1724 🔗

That’s why the summer NPIs were expressly to kick the can down the road – as Vallance himself pointed out.

390141 ▶▶ John P, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1162 of 1724 🔗

“Some viruses such as Chicken Pox seem to be able to go into a fully dormant state for a long time but do we have any idea whether SARS-Cov2 can have a latent infection stage and lie dormant for some time?”

I think that this is extremely unlikely given that these are two entirely different types of virus.

Taking an animal metaphor, are zebra likely to eat meat just because they are animals and meat eating lions are animals?

Chickenpox is a double stranded DNA virus and SARS-CoV2 is a (+) sense RNA virus.

389817 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1163 of 1724 🔗

Is anyone keeping tabs on Wanksock and his vaccine figures? He’s got form for lying with the PPE and tests numbers last year.

390106 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1164 of 1724 🔗

People vaccinated First dose total8,977,329

Second dose total491,053


389835 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 29, #1165 of 1724 🔗

Captain Tom admitted to hospital with the Rona. Surely he’s had the vaccine? Some difficult discussions might lie ahead for our govt who have been desperately trying to bury the risks of vaccination.

389860 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1166 of 1724 🔗

I am sure Captain Tom had the vaccine to great hoohaa, yet the news seems to have vanished.

389866 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Will, 8, #1167 of 1724 🔗

” …his daughter, Hannah Ingram-Moore, said he tested positive last week and was taken to hospital today for help with his breathing.
He is not in intensive care.
She said in a statement that her 100-year-old father had been receiving treatment for pneumonia over the last few weeks before his positive COVID test result.
“He was at home with us until today, when he needed additional help with breathing,” she said.
A spokesperson for Captain Sir Tom told Sky News he had not yet been vaccinated because he was being treated for pneumonia.”

389868 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1168 of 1724 🔗

Spot of CPAP should sort the old boy out.

389915 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #1169 of 1724 🔗

Pneumonia! Is she mad! pneumonia has been completely eradicated along with truth, integrity and common sense.

389918 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Bill, #1170 of 1724 🔗

I’m sure she misspoke. Obviously he has Long Covid.

390100 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1171 of 1724 🔗

He might turn out to be the only pneumonia death for several months.

390108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, #1172 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think so, according to the NHS website pneumonia can be caused by the covid virus:

“Pneumonia is swelling (inflammation) of the tissue in one or both lungs. It’s usually caused by a bacterial infection. It can also be caused by a virus, such as coronavirus (COVID-19).”


390133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 2, #1173 of 1724 🔗

Thanks John but I was being ironic.

390112 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Old Bill, #1174 of 1724 🔗

Pneumonia can be caused by the covid virus according to the NHS website:


389930 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1175 of 1724 🔗

So just to confirm, pneumonia first and then Covid positive some weeks later. That is not how most of the headlines have it.

390118 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Norman, #1176 of 1724 🔗

Pneumonia is a complication of Covid (and flu),not a separate disease.

390134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 1, #1177 of 1724 🔗

Not such a black & white issue. Pneumonia can often be a complication of treatment for respiratory disease.

The fact is people are effectively dying from old age, their health due to aging simply isn’t capable of defending itself from a mild infection that fit healthy bodies would shrug off.

Respiratory disease does not automaticaly result in pneumonia.

389871 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Will, 2, #1178 of 1724 🔗

Funnily enough I had the same thought.

390185 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, #1179 of 1724 🔗

I could be wrong but I thought I remembered him having it before Chistmas.
No trace of it now.

389862 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1180 of 1724 🔗

If he lives we’ll get more vaxprop shite about it being a “miracle lifesaver”

389882 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1181 of 1724 🔗

This is very tempting.

389900 ▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1182 of 1724 🔗

Hope he gets better, of course, but my immediate thought was he’s a 100-year old man who’s been suffering from pneumonia for weeks. Presumably a covid diagnosis doesn’t have much effect on his life expectancy. But if he dies in the next couple of weeks, it’ll presumably count towards the covid deaths, which seems so misleading.

389917 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to quodcumque, #1183 of 1724 🔗

How did he get covvie?

389922 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 1, #1184 of 1724 🔗

Some contamination got onto his swab. Nasty business altogether.

389935 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Annie, 2, #1185 of 1724 🔗

We don’t know he got it. We only know he had a positive test. There is a world of difference.

389992 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Annie, 3, #1186 of 1724 🔗

Sounds like he caught it in hospital.

390124 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to quodcumque, #1187 of 1724 🔗

I agree.

389836 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1188 of 1724 🔗

Israel, mass attendance at rabbi’s funeral. Another one expected later. These men were 99 and 98 years old respectively. They were killed by COVID 19.

Thousands attend funeral for ultra-Orthodox rabbi killed by COVID-19 Head of the Brisk Yeshiva, Rabbi Meshulam Dovid Soloveitchik, dies aged 99 after months-long illness; police urged crowds to stay away from burial, to no avail

Rabbi Yitzhok Scheiner, 98, head of Jerusalem’s Kamenitz yeshiva, died today of the coronavirus, while some 10,000 packed the funeral of Brisk Yeshiva head Rabbi Meshulam Dovid Soloveitchik, 99, who also succumbed to the virus.

389843 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to godowneasy, 19, #1189 of 1724 🔗

“Man, 99, dies.”

This is not man bites dog territory is it?

389859 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #1190 of 1724 🔗

My 99 year old mother who has survived two strokes is cared for by family and never leaves her flat but has been offered the jab 3 times even though all her medication has now been stopped. Why are they doing this? If it’s with the intention of keeping her alive, wouldn’t they re-instate all her other medication?

389885 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to jos, 1, #1191 of 1724 🔗

Why did they stop her medication? Was it for a vaccine? There is no data available on the effects of any of the vaccines and medication. Noone with medication was included in trials but that isn’t unusual I think. I have heard of least one edlerly lady who was admitted to hospital within hours of the vaccine (Oxford one)- sepsis and renal failure. She is ok now (I think) but the Drs were baffled as to cause and eventually admitted it could be the jab. They also said they were seeing others being admitted with similar problems (after the jab).. Apparently she was already on some kind of medication at the time of vaccine. Perhaps it reacted and so now they are being more cautious. Who knows I would check with her Dr.

389962 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Suzyv, 9, #1192 of 1724 🔗

It’s the ‘end of life care’ protocol after the second stroke and, even though she’s now showing signs that she’s recovering, they are unlikely to reverse it. But quite frankly my mother seems a lot happier since stopping all her medication so who knows? It does seem insane to be pretending to extend the life of a 99 year old and taking staff out of hospitals to do that. Hospitals need to start dealing with the neglected 4.5 million people who are not getting life-saving treatment!

389925 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jos, 1, #1193 of 1724 🔗

because it is not with the intention of keeping her alive – it’s quite the opposite

389991 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to jos, 4, #1194 of 1724 🔗

It will be to do with a target the practice has for vaccinating all vulnerable patients. They also get paid by vaccination.

390222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to ituex, #1195 of 1724 🔗

Did I read “target practice” ?

390081 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jos, #1196 of 1724 🔗

That’s quite an anomaly!

390079 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Starlin, #1197 of 1724 🔗

No but the 10,000 attending are another Bournemouth Beach.

389920 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1198 of 1724 🔗

How many journalists get salaries or paid to let the world know that Orthodox Jews meet for an event? Every other day a new “shocking” story that Orthodox Jews are crowding together for a funeral, wedding, holiday, etc. No follow up. No analysis later if there was an effect. But hundreds of reporters diligently collecting the information that — gasp, a bunch of people met for the funeral of a 100 year old mean.

This is peak absurdity.

389838 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 62, #1199 of 1724 🔗

Went to see my Mum and dad earlier, as I have virtually every day since March. They’re both pretty sceptical. Dad (who’s 81) said to me “the people who want to shut everything down all the time, what kind of lives do you think they lead?”

It’s a good question in my view.

389916 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #1200 of 1724 🔗

Smugly comfortable, I’d say. With plenty of help on hand for their aged rellies and little worry about their own health with plenty of medical insurance paid for by….

let’s guess, shall we?

389954 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 3, #1201 of 1724 🔗

Or taking advantage of the excuse for not seeing their aged rellies.

389851 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 23, #1202 of 1724 🔗

A few more thoughts on the PCR Chemisry test in Winter

When I smoked 40 to 50 cigarettes a day (OK please forgive me, I was young, but quit 10 years ago) I was told it would take years to clear all the tar and other carcinogens from my lungs. Lungs do not clear quickly. That is a fact. It takes a few months to be able to breath easily again, as the cilia need to rebuild.

In summer, there is not a lot of mucus flowing at all – most people, unless that have a cold, have a dry throat etc. But, with the onset of winter, mucus flows as people develop colds which includes common corona viruses. This clears the debris from the lungs. The cilia are alive.

I imagine many old folk who have survived Covid or even have another Coronavirus turning up in hospital and getting a test. Some test positive, due to viral debris which has been on the lungs for a long time (many months, perhaps since April 2020 in old folk – who are very dry in their airways). They also might test positive because the sample size of a swab with mucus is about 100 times greater than it would have been in the summer. They then, having tested positive, pass away and are counted as a ‘within 28 days’ Covid death. There are no controls in the chemical tests to account for this sort of natural seasonal phenomena such as increases swab samples in the UK. This would impact massively on PCR Ct (count values) a tenfold difference perhaps…..25 vs 35 Ct.

I also see scientific data like the below showing that about 8-10% of people with common cold corona viruses would test positive for Covid19


Taken together, these scientific facts make me consider UK Government death statistics are massively exaggerated by a factor of at least 10, easily. Covid19 is endemic. There is no material second wave/ third wave, maybe a ripple, but not like in April 2020, when we had an obvious epidemic. The NHS and government knew this epidemic was over months ago, which is why they shut down the Nightingale hospitals. They knew it was over in May 2020. Just in my opinion.

389872 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to theanalyst, 7, #1203 of 1724 🔗

From my basic understanding of infectious respiratory disease, viruses particularly corona viruses are incredibly temperature sensitive, hence our bodies defensive response ‘fever’ to kill the invader. “WAVES” from what I can make out were just a psychologists buzzword to sell hysteria, to facilitate lockdowns.

Viruses don’t come & go, they are always there in the background but summer in the UK is just to hostile an environment for viral activity. There’s plenty I/we don’t know about infectious disease like how does it lay dormant, aestivate & then bloom into a seasonal endemic in winter. But I fricking hate this term WAVE, who ever invented it needs shooting.

390215 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Anti_socialist, #1204 of 1724 🔗

Let’s say it lies dormant because it isn’t needed – in summer. When cold weather strikes, the body is forced to breathe in colder air – it needs to clean out the lungs a bit. Call the virus!

Yes, maybe the human body is intelligent enough to call upon one of many viruses (the right one) to do what it needs to have done.

So, far from being an invading enemy, the virus is a friendly helper. Why would you want to shoot your cleaning lady?

390229 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Portnadler, #1205 of 1724 🔗

Thats an alternative view, which i’ve seen no conclusive research on. I’m more comfortable with the conventional explanation.

389881 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to theanalyst, 10, #1206 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think we had an large epidemic in April. We had a culling of people due to changes in care pathways. And it appears the same thing is happening now with vaccines in care homes.

The telltale signs are the width of the spike in deaths. Typically a peak for a viral peak is 4 to 6 weeks. It takes around 12 weeks for a full cycle. We are seeing 2 to 3 weeks peaks super imposed onto a broader hill.

But I agree the figures have been exagerrated. That’s not even a guess. They have by definition and that it has been published that flu tests are not being done in any real numbers.

389950 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mhcp, 9, #1207 of 1724 🔗

Very few people have died of covid19, vast majority with CV19 died of OLD AGE !

390074 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1208 of 1724 🔗

Twheedledum and Tweedlevee will certainly know about the mucus aspect.

390164 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1209 of 1724 🔗

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.

389853 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 32, #1210 of 1724 🔗

How the hell can you model Social distancing may remain in place ALL YEAR with no scientific evidence for the efficacy of social distancing?

389863 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #1211 of 1724 🔗


The “evidence” will no doubt derive from the initial Ferguson prediction – which is now accepted by the loonies as gospel and the fact that we’ve had fewer deaths so it must be SD etc that made the difference

It’s not science

389941 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Julian, 4, #1212 of 1724 🔗

I have previously posted about why I do not believe anything Ferguson states but is there anyone else who has a worry all the constant calls for everything to continue is so his predictions are reached? The 100k figure was almost announced with a fanfair, if enough tests, cases, infections call them what you want are done the numbers will continue to rise, once his numbers are reached he can say to everyone and SAGE will agree “I told you so”.

389864 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Anti_socialist, 35, #1213 of 1724 🔗

I can deal with social distancing, it’s the bloody masks I want to see got rid of.

389873 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 20, #1214 of 1724 🔗

No – I hate them both equally.

Masks are auxiliary to SD.

390067 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, 4, #1215 of 1724 🔗

The muzzles are the symbol of SD. They’re a powerful sign of subservience, plus a reminder that a deadly plague is “out there” waiting to pounce on you.

In many ways, the face nappies are key to mockdown success.

389887 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1216 of 1724 🔗

Seen this? It may add a bit of authority to our argument…

390275 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, #1217 of 1724 🔗

With the same model used for mask mandates and lockdowns….

389861 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1218 of 1724 🔗

Opening 2 weeks for all-cause mortality v last 10 years.

389912 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to NickR, 3, #1219 of 1724 🔗

Is the increase due to Covid or the response to Covid?

389940 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1220 of 1724 🔗

Could be both.

389976 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 5, #1221 of 1724 🔗

Reducing the number of beds and reducing the number of staff, placing the elderly and infirm on palliative care only certainly isn’t going to help at the worst time of year for influenza like illnesses……..

389948 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 4, #1222 of 1724 🔗

Precisely, Nick. The exaggeration is much more horrendous than the virus.

389874 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 59, #1223 of 1724 🔗

One of my uni lecturers has sent an email saying that he is campaigning against the uni for suggesting he should hold in person seminars after Easter. He says he is refusing to teach if he doesnt have the vaccine because his partner is at risk. He told me in an academic meeting that his partner has asthma. He sent us a petition to sign in support. He is in his 30s so unless he has a thing for GILFs I think he should get a grip or get a new job.

389878 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ricky1, 14, #1224 of 1724 🔗

Asthma sufferers aren’t consider in the vulnerable category.

389951 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1225 of 1724 🔗

Though they are allowed to go mask-less!

389968 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to iane, 6, #1226 of 1724 🔗

A fact I have been relying on since this shit show started.

390146 ▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to iane, 1, #1227 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely. My wife even got a mask exemption certificate from the local GP on the grounds of asthma. Exemption certificates do exist if you are as pushy as her.

389884 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ricky1, 15, #1228 of 1724 🔗

And – what’s your problem with GILFs? Some are fitter than the self-absorbed and overdone fatties of around 30 or so who roll around Tesco in their onesies.

389904 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Banjones, 17, #1229 of 1724 🔗

No disrespect to any GILFs I just mean that unless his partner is over 80 I dont think he should be refusing to teach in the interests of safety to his partner.

389905 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ricky1, 36, #1230 of 1724 🔗

Anybody too scared to do their job because of a seasonal virus should look for another job.

389908 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ricky1, 30, #1231 of 1724 🔗

He’s a selfish coward and should resign if not prepared to teach.

389919 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #1232 of 1724 🔗

I don’t understand at all: since when did people acquire the right to be kept on in jobs they were incapable of doing on medical grounds, all the time receiving full pay and benefits, while being excused from duties? if you are not capable of doing the job, surely you are retired on medical grounds, thus allowing somebody who is not so restricted to take your place? when did people become so entitled and grasping?

389932 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1233 of 1724 🔗

I recall the case of a forensics technician who’d decided she didn’t like dead bodies. Was she sacked? Nope.

389939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Banjones, 5, #1234 of 1724 🔗

I hope they put her on the graveyard shift.

389937 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1235 of 1724 🔗

It’s not even him who has the medical grounds. Hook up with an asthmatic if you want to WFH.

389913 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ricky1, 12, #1236 of 1724 🔗

My cousin is mildly asthmatic, in her late 20s and works for NHS as a physio. Begged to get the vaccine and now has had her first dose. She wants children in the future so who knows if it has affected fertility. She demanded a shielding letter from her G.P. during the first wave which she got.
My Dad is asthmatic and never even had the flu jab, he is certainly not keen on a Covid jab. I am mildly asthmatic myself, have had the occasional flu jab but will politely decline or ignore any invites for any Covid vaccine.

389963 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1237 of 1724 🔗
390051 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1238 of 1724 🔗

I hope he doesn’t teach maths and/or statistics!

390309 ▶▶ gina, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1239 of 1724 🔗

Always learning something new on this site.
I had to look up GILF.
I guess you’re not referring to the plateau in the remote south west corner of Egypt. 🙂

389875 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 23, #1240 of 1724 🔗

Could never have predicted this:


Another government ‘expert’ warning against the “ EARLY easing of lockdown in April. A journalist doing their job would have demanded this expert tells us when he thinks it is not too early. Last time it was the lead up to Christmas/New year, as we approached the promised 5 days of freedom, these experts started screeching and the government gladly acquiesced to their demands.

389891 ▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, 2, #1241 of 1724 🔗


Purely disinterested; no financial interest, of course.

389898 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to RickH, #1242 of 1724 🔗

I hadn’t realised it was msn, otherwise I would have chose a different link to the same story.

389959 ▶▶ leggy, replying to J4mes, #1243 of 1724 🔗

Perhaps they didn’t notice the summer of 2020 and work out that it’s a seasonal virus.

389984 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to J4mes, 3, #1244 of 1724 🔗

Have they really STILL not realised that it is seasonal?

389879 Cheezilla, 11, #1245 of 1724 🔗

Great reopening in Cardiff yesterday:
Good interview.

389892 nic, replying to nic, 43, #1246 of 1724 🔗

I luv winding up the bed wetters on the daily mail comments , they are at the moment wetting themselves over people who have been having housecparties and gatherings. I mean according to the wetters the death penalty would be to lenient for them.fuck what a country we have become

389902 ▶▶ Mark, replying to nic, 5, #1247 of 1724 🔗

The death penalty has always been too lenient for most lawbreakers, according to DM readers. The traditional home of the authoritarian wing of the political right.

389929 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nic, 16, #1248 of 1724 🔗

They’d hate me. I’ve broken every rule in the book. Flights, parties, family around, the lot 🙂

389942 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1249 of 1724 🔗

There’s a special place in hell for people like you. Keep up the good work.

390018 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1250 of 1724 🔗

When hell looks like a reasonable alternative…

389944 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1251 of 1724 🔗

*drones* You will be taken from here to a place of execution etc.

389938 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nic, #1252 of 1724 🔗

DM readers are sadists

389967 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to nic, #1253 of 1724 🔗

Hahahaha! I do the same. Lol.

390039 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nic, #1254 of 1724 🔗

Most of those are 77th trolls.

389894 Tom Blackburn, 14, #1255 of 1724 🔗

Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practise to deceive.

389896 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 31, #1256 of 1724 🔗

I posted about this earlier but wanted to make another point:

Covid: Australian city of Perth goes into snap lockdown after guard tests positive

  • The WHO specifically asked countries not to use lockdowns as the primary method of control
  • We know that lockdowns come with great cost
  • Advocates say they are a last resort

This is now a default, not a last resort option. I don’t see why they even bother waiting for 1 case, they might as well just permanantly lock down.

389981 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2021, 24, #1257 of 1724 🔗

This is what Australia and NZ will have to do literally forever now. Once you’ve gone the zero covid route, there is no alternative to constant lockdowns other than to admit that you were wrong.

Because I am an evil person, I half hope that they have a resurgence when their Autumn/Winter season starts. I wish I wasn’t so evil, but they have just been so unbearably smug about it all.

390017 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1258 of 1724 🔗

They can’t do it forever. Eventually sanity will have to re-assert itself.

390037 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1259 of 1724 🔗

Still waiting in UK!

390020 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1260 of 1724 🔗

Yes I wholly hope so too. Just to prove that locking down just kicks the can down the road.

390040 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1261 of 1724 🔗

I don’t half hope they have a resurgence, I fully hope they do. I guess that makes me more evil than you!

390158 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1262 of 1724 🔗

When I read 5 days lockdown for 1 case in a quarantine hotel I had to laugh. They’ve pretty much had no real measures in wa and have been slightly bragging. I have contacts as a former resident. Now they are going through the toilet roll fiasco no doubt.

389926 rockoman, 13, #1263 of 1724 🔗

I hope lockdown contnues..

and continues …

and continues ….

because that’s the only way that people will learn.

If they want it, then give it to them – good and hard.

389934 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #1264 of 1724 🔗

Capt Tom has been admitted to hospital with covid at the age of 100. Will the horror never stop.

389945 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1265 of 1724 🔗

Apparently “It’s not known [to the media] if he had received the vaccine”.

389957 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1266 of 1724 🔗

I’d be surprised if he hadn’t. But if it does him harm, then no doubt it’ll be blamed on the BigV – nothing to do with the vaccine, of course. Ooo no.

390087 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Banjones, #1267 of 1724 🔗

No, it probably isn’t anything to do with the vaccine (or covid) and everything to do with the fact that he is a very old man.

389969 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 314 of lockdown), replying to Dodderydude, 6, #1268 of 1724 🔗

He has not as was being treated for pneumonia prior to a ‘positive test’

389949 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1269 of 1724 🔗

According to actuarial tables he should be good for another 2 years if the NCS don’t kill him first.

389978 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1270 of 1724 🔗

How the blinking blink did he manage to catch it?!

Hospital appointments I suppose.

390033 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1271 of 1724 🔗

Centenarians have a bad habit of getting pneumonia.

390088 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1272 of 1724 🔗

They have an even worse habit of dying.

390399 ▶▶ coulie45, replying to Smelly Melly, #1273 of 1724 🔗

After having had pneumonia for several weeks Capt Tom was at the age of 100 admitted to hospital to deal with breathing problems. Whether him testing positive for Covid 19 in hospital is relevant is another matter!

389943 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 14, #1274 of 1724 🔗

They can go to Hell, our puling tyrants,
with their threats and bans and lubricious propaganda.

Bempton Cliffs, East Yorkshire: a full two metres from wingtip
to wingtip, gannets fold themselves up tight to pack on to ledges
and dark boulders at the bottom of the cliff face, above the water.
The earliest returners are just now to be spotted;
also a flock of snowy, wind-blown fulmars.

I was questioned by police at Bridlington Station.
Why were my nose and mouth not covered in public?

I will not stay home, stay safe, rehearse my own dying.
I will behold the face of the world,
and I will show it my own face in return.

31st Jan 2021

390029 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, 4, #1275 of 1724 🔗

Since when did we have to cover our faces outside?

390084 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1276 of 1724 🔗

He didn’t say “outside”, he said “in public”. He was at Bridlington Police Station at the time. I would presume that this is a building.

390137 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John P, 1, #1277 of 1724 🔗

I inferred that she was at the station because of not wearing a mask while looking at the gannets.

390214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1278 of 1724 🔗

Thank you both for thinking about my post!
I was indeed at the station. It was after I’d been to see the gannets, so I was in a cheerful mood. Bridlington Station was almost deserted: one guard, three passengers, two police. How bizarre, no? Is this really the best use of police time?
The police were heavily masked in black; it was quite hard to for me to hear exactly what they said.
I go on not being able to believe how utterly strange social reality has become around me.

390225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #1279 of 1724 🔗

I don’t think it is reality. It’s a sort of dystopian anti-world, in which zombies belong, but we don’t. We’ll find our way back to our own world, and meet to celebrate it.

390230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Alethea, #1280 of 1724 🔗

Sad to hear about Brid, spent many my childhood summers there and exploring Flamborough Head. Think I even saw it once without the fret!

390216 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #1281 of 1724 🔗

Gannets are splendid birds. Unless you’re a fish in their target area. Or a human being with a sensitive nose near a large and reeking gannetry.

As for fulmars, I find the way they gnash their beaks slightly disconcerting. Herring gulls for me, even if they do demand pasties with menaces.

I like cormorants best, the way they hang their wings out to dry.

And the calling of oystercatchers.

390252 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, #1282 of 1724 🔗

I’m keen on cormorants too. There’s a group I go to visit every so often at Teesport, just north of Redcar. They line up on a broken-down jetty in the industrial estuary, fifteen or twenty together, and dry their wings carefully.

The gulls at Bridlington are so aggressive that it’s prudent to sit under the awning of one of the closed-up shops while eating one’s takeaway lunch.

389946 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1283 of 1724 🔗

Week 2 2021 looks like being the worst single week for deaths from Covid 19 over the whole pandemic. So let’s just compare it to the best & worst week 2 of the last 10 years.
Well, compared to 2012 it’s pretty horrendous, BUT, do you believe that without Covid-19 2021 would have seen 152 fewer daily deaths than week 2 2012, the lowest week of the last 10 years?
Likewise, compared to the next worst year it’s 257 daily deaths higher (than 2015), but that’s a long way from the narrative that claims that an average of 1,109 people died each day during week 2.

389970 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 7, #1284 of 1724 🔗

Since 1993, there have been three years with worse mortality in Week 2.

Again, the ‘unprecedented’ label collapses – just for one week.

389980 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 5, #1285 of 1724 🔗

I bet one of those years was 2000, I, along with 1,000s had a very serious flu. We managed not to put 2 million people out of work mind you.

390151 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to NickR, 3, #1286 of 1724 🔗

That would’ve been that Millennium Bug

390156 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to NickR, 1, #1287 of 1724 🔗

I had a very nasty bout of flu in Jan 2000. I was in my 30’s then and it knocked me off my feet for a good week.

390178 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #1288 of 1724 🔗

yes, 1999-20 was the last worst-flu season; I was ill for 6 weeks, including 1 night in hospital with an oxygen mask. It was that experience that induced me to take many flu vaccines in the years that followed, something I now regret, but too late to do anything about it now

390023 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, #1289 of 1724 🔗


390078 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to NickR, 1, #1290 of 1724 🔗

Accounted for by the 200-300% rise in care home deaths in the last few weeks for some unaccountable reason.
Nothing to do with the vaccine…


390080 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Kevin 2, -2, #1291 of 1724 🔗

Probably is nothing to do with the vaccine and everything to do with the fact that people in care homes have a very low life expectancy. With or without covid.

390140 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to John P, 1, #1292 of 1724 🔗

I disagree. Steady weekly deaths through late Nov and Dec, and then this happens at the beginning of Jan, after the vaccine rollout started on Dec 23rd:-

390183 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John P, 1, #1293 of 1724 🔗

yes but you don’t expect them to all go at once

390208 ▶▶ Annie, replying to NickR, 1, #1294 of 1724 🔗

Deaths from Covid? Don’t repeat their lies.

389947 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 17, #1295 of 1724 🔗

I managed to watch the Cambridge Union debate this afternoon with Graham Brady, Richard Tice and Toby. Anyone else who has watched it what did you think of Graham Brady in particular? I was impressed with what he said in the time available and was pleased to hear him say some of the comments I have certainly made in emails sent to him but what I am interested in hearing opinions on is how much of the same do you think he is saying as an MP and especially his role in the 1922 committee.

389952 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1296 of 1724 🔗

He spoke well and seemed sincere. He just needs to mobilise the backbenchers!

389972 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Maverick, 16, #1297 of 1724 🔗

I agree. Desmond Swayne in the last couple of days said there were many MP’s who have similar views, I would like to believe that but if so why are they all so quiet and why do they vote in favour of everything.

I think Graham Brady is very aware that there are more people not in favour of the measures and probably is mobilising the backbenchers, but will only act when he knows either the PM will react to pressure from the 1922 or knows he has the votes to win if the PM plays the game of allowing a no confidence vote.

390014 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1298 of 1724 🔗

It may well be true, but getting them to say it in public is something else. Until there is some kind of turning point. Quite possibly in the Commons Bar many tell Swayne, “You’re right, Desmond, it’s rubbish.” They still vote for it. The fact that Swayne is being pilloried for allegedly defying the national consensus will keep them from raising their heads.

390024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1299 of 1724 🔗

Part of the reason for the attacks on Desmond Swayne. You are right Waldorf, many things can be said in private. The letters to the 1922 of course are private. Just like many of the population as the private voices become more vocal of course plenty will pipe up saying “I never believed lockdowns were right”.

390205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1300 of 1724 🔗

The BBC will be saying that soon enough.

389982 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1301 of 1724 🔗

I was impressed by all three, especially Toby, who pretty much covered everything.

390016 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LMS2, 8, #1302 of 1724 🔗

The other side were pathetic in comparison.

389953 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 61, #1303 of 1724 🔗

My 85yo neighbour called me over as I arrived home today. She invited me into the house, declaring that it was 3 weeks since she had her first jab and she couldn’t go on not seeing anyone properly anymore, whatever her daughter said. Of course, I obliged. She is a wise, feisty lady who I have tremendous respect for and I wouldn’t patronise her by questioning her decisions. We had a lovely 20 minutes together and I can’t say what it meant to me to have the company. I think she felt the same. We will certainly do it again. I wonder whether more older people will be thinking and doing similarly.

389956 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Charlie Blue, 14, #1304 of 1724 🔗

That is nice news. I’ve been thinking about you today, CB, and hoping you might be able to find some company.

389977 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Alethea, 17, #1305 of 1724 🔗

Thanks, Alethea. I still think Alethea & Charlie’s Shiny Pots and Pans will be a winner if we are ever allowed to cross the border at the Marches again to make our business plan!

It was interesting that she was at pains to reassure me that she did not think there was any virus in the house! How awful that she would think that younger, robustly healthy people would want to avoid her – though of course many would. Turns out she has also been meeting up with another more mature neighbour, which I am delighted to hear.

389986 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Charlie Blue, 25, #1306 of 1724 🔗

And this sums up why I hate what this government has done. The stripping away of humanity. Lovely to read that you had this exchange CB.

It rather put me in mind of the quote from Julia Roberts’ character in Steel Magnolias (I know, not everyone’s cup of tea but as a film about loss, it spoke to me):

I’d rather have 30 minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special.

I hope too that more older people will be thinking as your neighbour has.

390013 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #1307 of 1724 🔗

The stage play is better than the film.

390015 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1308 of 1724 🔗

Yes. My mother ‘admitted’ she has been having a cup of tea with her next door neighbour now they have both had the first dose (they are both widowed). Suspect many have been doing this.

389961 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 5, #1309 of 1724 🔗

It’s the last day of January. Has Eurosurveillance given its answer about the PCR paper retraction request yet?

389974 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mattghg, 5, #1310 of 1724 🔗

Perhaps all the people at Eorosurveillance have been on holiday in January (the Simon Dolan experience). They will need all of February to catch up with their email, so maybe by the end of April we might have a prelminary statement.

390270 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, #1311 of 1724 🔗

Kevin McKernan has said no.

Kevin McKernan https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f642.svg on Twitter: “For those who haven’t seen the addendum that went public a week before the WHO changed their PCR policy… Here it is. If people can find any critique Ian is voicing that isn’t addressed in this, we’d be happy to address it. https://t.co/gCHvb1tofu ” / Twitter

390395 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1312 of 1724 🔗

The childishness on display there in the tweet he’s responding to is really alarming.

389964 Ewan Duffy, 20, #1313 of 1724 🔗


Headline: ‘She has gone backwards’: Father’s impassioned plea to reopen special needs schools
We have closed your schools – because we care about you.

389966 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 24, #1314 of 1724 🔗

Hope no one minds me asking, but those if you in relationships, has this lockdown/Covid crap affected your partnership?
It has put our marriage under strain at times and is really testing.

389973 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1315 of 1724 🔗

Divorce papers in post.

389979 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1316 of 1724 🔗

Luckily for me, no.
We already spent a lot of time together, and had been retired several years, so we’re used to it, sort of.
And my immediate family are on the same side of the debate as me.

390035 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to LMS2, 4, #1317 of 1724 🔗

That pretty much sums up our situation. It’s been stressful and we’ve had our tense moments, but we’re on the same page about it all. I’m just more vocal and he doesn’t want to hear about it and discuss it. Thankfully we have friends and family who, if not entirely on the same page, are willing to socialize and be normal. But my best friend who is a couple’s therapist is busier than ever! There’s no question it’s straining relationships.

389983 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1318 of 1724 🔗

We know 2 couples who have split with 1 of the couples divorced

390009 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #1319 of 1724 🔗

The death of marriages isn’t in the stats!

390031 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1320 of 1724 🔗

Yep, both couples are close friends, sad as I’m sure covoid has exacerbated small problems.

Thankfully me and her indoors are all good.

389988 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ganjan21, 18, #1321 of 1724 🔗

It caused some tension in our marriage for a while, but I’m happy to report that my wife came round to my way of thinking in the end. It was the obvious horseshit of lockdown 2 that did it for her. Then once she started checking this website she noticed, in her words, that the news here “makes a lot more sense than on the BBC”.

389994 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to mattghg, 6, #1322 of 1724 🔗

Ditto with my hubby

390006 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrea Salford, 6, #1323 of 1724 🔗

Hi Mr Salford! Welcome aboard the sceptic bus. The view isn’t nice and where you came from will look different soon but its a good ride. Same for Mrs Mattghg..Welcome.

So glad you both could make it.

390005 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mattghg, 10, #1324 of 1724 🔗

Similar here, hubby did not listen to my sceptical views last summer/autumn and only these past few weeks is finally figuring out what a shit show it is. But he is struggling with lockdown now in general and feels like a caged animal, not being able to do what he used to with friends, his hobbies…..being in a ratty mood and snapping. I understand because I’ve been the same at times but its just difficult. I know it could be much worse so dont like to complain too much.

390400 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1325 of 1724 🔗

It’s good that your man has seen the light. It will be painful for him, but he has been saved from the hysteria.

Enjoy having him back.

389996 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1326 of 1724 🔗

No. We are of one mind, although my OH prefers to ignore the shit-show rather than dig into it.

Fair enough.

The main/only family conflict is actually with my son. Ironically, he also believes that the government has created a disaster – but cannot contemplate anything other than an explanation that focuses just upon incompetence.

390046 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 2, #1327 of 1724 🔗

Out of interest, what do you think is the motivation or cause if not incompetence?

390055 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to jb12, 10, #1328 of 1724 🔗

If it’s incompetence, when Boris has a complete cabinet of ministers, each with guidance and experts to help them in their field, then what does that say about any government for the last few decades?

Boris has a chancellor – he didn’t harm the economy by mistake, this is a sustained attack on financial and personal freedom. It’s not incompetence, it’s deliberate.

There are numerous motivations. WEF is only the most well known. UN Agenda 21 is much older.

The first lockdown was a mistake which shouldn’t have been repeated. The fact that they have shows another agenda at work.

390276 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jb12, 5, #1329 of 1724 🔗

I think incompetence is certainly a component. Beyond that I have a question mark, and tend to focus on the basic facts and resist too much speculation.

That said, I reckon ‘Follow the money’ stands up pretty well as a trail to one strand of motivation.

390447 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 1, #1330 of 1724 🔗


390000 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1331 of 1724 🔗

Yes. I utterly despise my husband and wish he would just leave – or die, no longer care which. No actually, I think I prefer B – he has life insurance.

390004 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #1332 of 1724 🔗

Be careful what you wish for though. The fallout after they have gone is terrible.

390286 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1333 of 1724 🔗

Not always. I am happier and have more money than was ever the case when living with my husband. I’m single, celibate and solvent.
Like husband much better now he comes to do odd jobs around the house and go walking with me, in exchange for the odd meal and conversation.
We were together for 30 years…

390157 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1334 of 1724 🔗

encourage him to take the vaccine, that should do the trick

390001 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1335 of 1724 🔗

Yes. Seeing it in my DS and in my best friend.
You need to get out when you can and give each other space.
I’m currently acting as a place of afternoon asylum.

390145 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1336 of 1724 🔗


390245 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1337 of 1724 🔗

Funny 😄

390041 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ganjan21, 16, #1338 of 1724 🔗

Me and the wife are lucky, we’ve only argued three times.

Morning noon and night.

390060 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1339 of 1724 🔗

Nope, luckily enough, maybe even improved. My sheeple family and some others have been a very different story though.

390096 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1340 of 1724 🔗

No. S’okay. I don’t ever try to discuss any topic on which I know we’ll disagree – on which I know we’ll violently disagree, which will ruin the day, and the atmosphere which is always otherwise good. We share most things, agree on most things. I won’t spoil that just because some ignorant oik called Johnson and his dishonourable cohort have decided to identify themselves with our country’s enemies.
My bro and sis are completely on the same side as me.

390117 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1341 of 1724 🔗

Sorry to hear that. Both Mr H and myself are on the same page but we’ve been aware and researching the whole globalist agenda for a few years now. Mind you its still been a strain. It’s been hard trying to stay on neutral terms with the rest of the family, in general. With my parents and brother, we are now an island…drifting away from the rest of our families.

390119 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1342 of 1724 🔗

I doubt anyone here would mind you asking; it’s a perfectly legitimate question.

I am happy to report that the good Lady C. and I are as one on all of this nonsense.

Really sorry that you and Mr G. are under strain. 🙁

390130 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #1343 of 1724 🔗

My wife is even more sceptical than me, if that’s possible. She has lost friends because of it.

390138 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1344 of 1724 🔗

I feel sorry for anyone who shares a household with people not on the same page as them, and I feel sorry for couples who do not share a household, and maybe do not even live in the same area, and sorry for parents who do not live with their children

390142 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1345 of 1724 🔗

It certainly has been testing but what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger and all that.

My heart really bleeds for my single friends. Some of them haven’t hugged another person for nearly a year. And it’s no good me telling them to just do it because they need a willing hugger! Whichever way you look at it- enforced celibacy/loneliness, it’s really sad. People who are actively looking for a life partner have essentially had to put that on hold indefinitely. A lot of these are women who are going to miss out on being mothers as an extra year or so ticks by 🙁

390162 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #1346 of 1724 🔗

i am happy to say that i am a sociopath and a miserable bugger and not in a relationship for 5 years (after 2 years of happy marriage…….. and 12 years of misery)
and i dont have friends either so i can be as sceptical as i want and f*** everybody else

390267 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to mj, 3, #1347 of 1724 🔗

Are you my estranged husband by any chance? Even your first two initials are the same as his 🙂

390218 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1348 of 1724 🔗

Not a relationship, but it’s certainly dragged things out between myself and a lady in the office that I like… We’re all home working now.

390387 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1349 of 1724 🔗

Luckily she is on the same page as me, though my page has more swearwords on it. She always muzzles up in shops but is happy to indulge in alcohol and socialising rule-breaking. I am most fortunate in that respect.

389975 JYC, replying to JYC, 2, #1350 of 1724 🔗

This might have been covered and I have missed it. Did anything come of yesterday’s Great Reopening?

389998 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JYC, 5, #1351 of 1724 🔗

Just think of it as a tiny start. Thin end of the wedge, hopefully.
Of course, most people didn’t know anything about it.

390034 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JYC, 1, #1352 of 1724 🔗

nothing much yet, but give it a few weeks and I guess 9 million and counting might get a tad impatient.

389985 Cheezilla, #1353 of 1724 🔗

Interesting development, considering the circumstances:


389987 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 25, #1354 of 1724 🔗



“Overall it would appear to be the government’s lockdown policy that has been killing people and not some new disease. Stress, loneliness, fear and despair have been causing the excess of deaths: together with emptying out of hospitals, especially of old folk and cancellation of normal services because of the ‘pandemic..”

390135 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 1, #1356 of 1724 🔗

apart from the implication of ‘excess’ deaths (all cause mortality is within the normal range – so far) I would agree with that – susceptibility to seasonal respiratory viruses is about much, much more than simply contact with an infected person/pathogen: it is about the state your body and mind are otherwise in – are you old, obese, unfit, stressed, depressed, anxious, do you have a reason for living, a sense of humour, etc

389995 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1357 of 1724 🔗

Retweeted by my MP on the27th:
Methinks I smell a touch of desperation.

This was subsequently followed by a load of posts about vaccination numbers. Total 8,977,329 first doses were received by yesterday.

It will be interesting to watch the NHS figures!

390008 ▶▶ Alpine, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1358 of 1724 🔗

It’s always heartening when people in positions of power (whatever their colour) tell other (presumably less educated) people what they should put in their bodies.
Of course if only people thought logically, like those gifted MPs, then they wouldn’t be hesitant about offering their arms for the splendid jab.

390077 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Alpine, 1, #1359 of 1724 🔗

I see, it’s “logical” to be an anti-vaxxer is it?

Although I am sceptical about the efficacy of these vaccines (unsure if they actually work), I nevertheless would not go so far as to accuse those who choose (it is still voluntary in this country) to have one of these vaccines of stupidity.

In fact, the sooner they have them the better as that will leave the government with fewer and fewer excuses for continuing with these restrictions.

390104 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 5, #1360 of 1724 🔗

I was once completely vaccine neutral, what i’ve learned (verifiable facts) over the last decade about vaccines makes me increasingly sceptical of their efficacy. The only people to blame for that are the drug dealers that push them.

The propaganda & social stigma caused by covert psychological ‘marketing’ if not by nefarious means of mandatory social duty to others, their conduct is certainly coercive.

How can you give informed consent, when they suppress the information?

390295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1361 of 1724 🔗

”Informed consent”. Yes, indeed. If my GP surgery had seen fit to ”inform” us, or if the government generally had been up front about it all, then I might have felt able to make an informed choice. As you ask, why do they seem to be suppressing the information?

As it is, I feel I know very little about it, other than what I’ve been able to glean for myself. God, I hate this government.

390383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1362 of 1724 🔗

Are they suppressing it?
Or is it that, because the “vaccines” have barely been tested, there’s actually no information to suppress.

390167 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 2, #1363 of 1724 🔗

Sadly, that cock won’t fight.The jabberwocked are told that they have to remain imprisoned and gagged just like the rest of the Fascists’ victims.

390327 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to John P, 3, #1364 of 1724 🔗

Understanding the logic of free choice & consent does not an ‘anti-vaxxer’ make, John P. Any more than if a gentleman is hanging out at a pub & declines an offer from a homosexual man, doesn’t necessarily make them ‘anti-gay’.

389997 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #1365 of 1724 🔗

My neighbour’s 10-yo son now wears a mask every single time he leaves the house. Presumably his choice, since his mum doesn’t bother. How sad is that?

389999 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1366 of 1724 🔗


390002 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1367 of 1724 🔗


390007 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1368 of 1724 🔗


Oxygen deprivation, plus depressed immune system.
Masks should be banned for the under-16s.

390052 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to LMS2, 6, #1369 of 1724 🔗

And from over 16s

390019 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1370 of 1724 🔗

What the fuck. Shit parenting. Sorry, there is no other explanation.

390127 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1371 of 1724 🔗

Should be made illegal to have masks on kids at a minimum.

390160 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1372 of 1724 🔗

If it’s his choice?
If it is his choice then he’s a silly hysterical little twerp.But we’re not in the compulsion business here, are we?

390173 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 2, #1373 of 1724 🔗

If its his choice he’s not been properly informed, so its not really a choice, its operant conditioning.

390177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1374 of 1724 🔗

Has any maskoid been properly informed?

390264 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Annie, 1, #1375 of 1724 🔗

A fair point, though I think there is something deeply sinister about it.

390328 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1376 of 1724 🔗

At ten years of age it shouldn’t be HIS choice to compromise his immune system and his health and well being generally.

390003 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1377 of 1724 🔗

The Dutch are game, aren’t they? 🙂

390027 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1378 of 1724 🔗

Are they kicking off again?

390042 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1380 of 1724 🔗

Good, although it looks like last week’s events? Gives the lie to the idiot Daily Mail commenters and their “It’s all the dirty Muslims rioting” BS.

390043 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1381 of 1724 🔗

That looks to be from last weekend, isn’t it? This purports to be last night in Denmark:


The Danes and Dutch do seem the most lively though, from what I’ve seen so far.

390379 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #1382 of 1724 🔗

Viking spirit rising!

390398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, #1383 of 1724 🔗

We need some berserkergang.

390057 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1384 of 1724 🔗
390010 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 38, #1385 of 1724 🔗

The email I have been dreading arrived in my inbox. The state of Colorado will begin vaccinating teachers on February. This is presented by the head of school as “Great news!” I will be refusing. Doing my own personal cost/benefit analysis, this unapproved experimental vaccine holds no promise for me. I knew this was coming, but somehow hoped that it wouldn’t come to this. I don’t see any good way of this playing out.

390028 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to ColoradoGirl, 13, #1386 of 1724 🔗

Can your employer find out that you have declined? I potentially face the same problem in a month or two (teacher over 50). By my reasoning, my employer has no ability to access my health record and I should be able to refuse to tell them.

390056 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1387 of 1724 🔗

I hadn’t thought of that, Ozzie. All my problems are solved if they don’t know. It’s not clear what the system will be.

390470 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1388 of 1724 🔗

ColoradoGirl: stay strong! You’ll get through this.

390107 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ozzie, 5, #1389 of 1724 🔗

we need to get some kind of fake vaccine system set up – where we can claim to have had it. someone on here the other day suggested gaslighting them by insisting that they had already given it to us, or some other vaccine provider had….might be possible, if they are sufficiently disorganised in their record keeping

390237 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to JaneHarry, #1390 of 1724 🔗


390213 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1391 of 1724 🔗

Whilst i’m in any way criticising or disagreeing, that may be enough to dismiss you.

I’m not claiming its legal or right, but what are your odds of justice at tribunal? Government is being silent over the oppressive means ngo’s etc are using to coerce people.

I can see this being a big issue in future.

390030 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to ColoradoGirl, 11, #1392 of 1724 🔗

Stay strong and resist! My daughter will be a newly minted teacher in a few months and I worry so much about her being coerced into taking the experimental gene therapy as a condition of employment. There is precedent here in Ontario, but our rights seem to have been suspended indefinitely and the courts, if they’re in session at all, are moving at a snail’s pace.

390061 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1393 of 1724 🔗

I really appreciate the encouragement, Lisa! It feels lonely. I only know one other person in real life who is against it. My friends and family can’t wait to get it. “Experimental gene therapy” sums it up completely. I love my job, but not more than my health.

390114 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1394 of 1724 🔗

yeh, if it comes to that, your job will have to go. you won’t be able to keep your job if you’re dead in any case, will you

390036 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to ColoradoGirl, 5, #1395 of 1724 🔗

Strange place Colorado. When we went there 2 years ago to join a coach tour of the Natonal Parks . our evening walk passed numerous beggars holding up signs saying “no home, food and marijuana needed”. Then in a pizza restaurant, we, 70 year olds with nearly 50 years of living together, were asked for ages, marital status and ID as if we were teenagers on a first illicit date. It did ocurr to us that they may have their priorities wrong but hey their choice, just a vistor.

390062 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to mikewaite, 3, #1396 of 1724 🔗

Ha ha! It has gotten weird. The mountains are still beautiful, but politically, it has turned into another California, in the last two years!

390192 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #1397 of 1724 🔗

May be of interest:-

Under federal preemption doctrine, this federal EUA law trumps state law, meaning that states and municipalities may not mandate EUA products. As the FDA states:
“FDA believes that the terms and conditions of an EUA issued under section 564 preempt state or local law, both legislative requirements and common-law duties, that impose different or additional requirements on the medical product for which the EUA was issued in the context of the emergency declared under section 564 … In an emergency, it is critical that the conditions that are part of the EUA or an order or waiver issued pursuant to section 564A — those that FDA has determined to be necessary or appropriate to protect the public health—be strictly followed, and that no additional conditions be imposed.”
This was also confirmed in August 2020 at a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, where its Executive Secretary Dr, Amanda Cohn, stated (@1:14:40):
“I just wanted to add that, just wanted to remind everybody, that under an Emergency Use Authorization, an EUA, vaccines are not allowed to be mandatory. So, early in this vaccination phase, individuals will have to be consented and they won’t be able to be mandated.”
Governors may not mandate EUA vaccines, or EUA tests for COVID infection. States cannot override federal law or set up their own mandatory scheme. See for example, Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly, 533 U.S. 525, 570-71 (2001), which overturned a state public health law because it was already the subject of a comprehensive federal scheme to manage public health, and Department of the Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518, 530 (1988). For more information on state and local law, see this Emergency Use Authorization Toolkit from the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.
What about private employers?
A private party, such as an employer, school or hospital, cannot circumvent the EUA law. For example, this Fact Sheet approved last month by the FDA for the Pfizer vaccine states:
“It is your choice to receive or not receive the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Should you decide not to receive it, it will not change your standard medical care.”
The previously referenced section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act governing medical products approved for emergency states that the FDA-approved fact sheet must state “the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product.”
Nowhere in the fact sheet does it specify that a person may be fired from their employment, denied education, disciplined or otherwise discriminated against for refusal.
With that said, the law on private entities is likely to be litigated. Even the most ardent advocates for COVID vaccines acknowledge that employer mandates would be “problematic” and would likely lead to litigation.
One of the initial issues in litigation would be that EUA law applies to “a person who carries out any activity for which the authorization is issued.” While this phrase plainly refers to healthcare workers, i.e. those who vaccinate the public, it can also refer to anyone who participates in the EUA activity, such as employers requiring the product (see e.g., reference below to private employers as “program planners”).
The FDA even applies the term to those that advertise the product. So courts are likely to find that EUA law covers employers carrying out their own vaccination requirements, as well as states and municipalities.
But what if a private employer stubbornly refuses to heed the EUA law and attempts to require its employees to get EUA vaccines anyway?
Employers are likely to lose if challenged in court for the above-stated reasons, and also because the FDA did not issue an Emergency Dispensing Order to even attempt to circumvent EUA requirements.
Indeed, the EUA law preventing mandates is so explicit that we found only one precedent case regarding an attempt to mandate an EUA vaccine, and the court held that the vaccine could not be mandated, even to people in the military. In Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 2005 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 5573 (D.D.C. Apr. 6, 2005).
In that case, six soldiers challenged the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD), which at the time mandated EUA anthrax vaccines, often leading to what has been called Gulf War Syndrome. Six soldiers sued DOD to refuse vaccination and won. A federal court held that because the anthrax vaccine was an EUA product, the soldiers had the right to accept or refuse vaccination.
It’s a solid precedent showing that because a federal court upheld soldiers’ rights to decline EUA vaccines, it’s likely that courts would uphold employees’ rights to refuse EUA vaccines as well.

Sorry messed up formatting.Much more readable on link.


390496 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1398 of 1724 🔗

This is helpful. Thank you so much!

390011 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 12, #1399 of 1724 🔗

DHSC/ONS/GAD/HO: Direct and indirect impacts of COVID-19 on excess deaths and morbidity – December 2020 update, 17 December 2020 – GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Has the bbc done a single news story about the above in the last 24 hours? Unable to locate anything on their website? Oh I forgot, they don’t do journalism anymore.

So in the end it will all come down to computer modelling by the sociopath ferguson et al.

Could we also have a computer model please where we instead focus all the governmental and societal resources on shielding the most vulnerable, etc. Sorry, the computer says no!

Little Britain – Carol says No – Computer says No – YouTube

The shit show of the century continues…

390012 james007, replying to james007, 52, #1401 of 1724 🔗

Some good Conservative Party logos going round twitter. I like this one.

390075 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to james007, 4, #1402 of 1724 🔗

You ba*t*rd, WHY didn’t i find that first? Times 5m thumbs up.

390165 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Anti_socialist, #1403 of 1724 🔗

In fairness, it has been around for months now.

390168 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John P, 1, #1404 of 1724 🔗

I don’t do twitter

390153 ▶▶ Annie, replying to james007, 2, #1405 of 1724 🔗

Heck, what does that make Smarmer’s gang?

390235 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Annie, 1, #1406 of 1724 🔗

Same policies, delivered in a nastier way.

390370 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to james007, 1, #1407 of 1724 🔗

Hammer and sickle on a red skull and crossbones?

390038 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1408 of 1724 🔗

What I see when I open the Beeb’s website.

390044 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1409 of 1724 🔗

It looks as if the wrong sized needle is being used, Intramuscular injections should use 22-24 gauge (blue connector) the needle with the white connector is 27 gauge, which is a bit narrow.

390047 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 9, #1410 of 1724 🔗

I’ll fire my researchers. 😉

390049 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1411 of 1724 🔗

Respect! Today’s news: Jaborgy, jaborgy, jaborgy. Today’s weather: Wet, wet, wet. Outlook: Shit, shit, shit.

390069 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1412 of 1724 🔗

Every newspaper today.

390083 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1413 of 1724 🔗

Yeah, I know. I was going to do the Daily Mail, but the code’s a mess. 🙂

390090 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to ColoradoGirl, 3, #1414 of 1724 🔗

I’ve given myself a news detox this month, apart from the good people on here and other independent sites. It appears I’ve missed nothing.

390154 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #1415 of 1724 🔗

I probably need to do this. My newspaper subscription has expired and I am on the fence about renewing. It has devolved into unending propaganda. I have always been been a supporter of my local paper.

390366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ColoradoGirl, #1416 of 1724 🔗

If it’s part of Reach group, it’s essentially an extension of the BBC.

390048 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1417 of 1724 🔗

Some may consider there is a plague on.

Some may consider a plague is a good way to bury dirty deeds.

And some might not give any kind of fuck about pretty much anything.

Even in times of plague some can take Monty Pythons entire circus out side and kick its butt.


Freefall in Scotland.

390053 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Basics, 5, #1418 of 1724 🔗

I’m giving that an uptick for the phrase “Twitler Youth.”

390054 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 6, #1419 of 1724 🔗

First bloke sounds like pervert to me, using his LBGT-whatever beliefs just to hang about ladies loos.

390064 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 4, #1420 of 1724 🔗

Disabled status will be by self-identification with no checks being carried out…

Oh boy! What a bunch of clowns!

390058 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 19, #1421 of 1724 🔗

What we sceptics need to get round our heads is that we are being run by evil people who will use any method to prevent themselves being blamed for anything. Engaging them on a logical level is a waste of time.

390066 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #1422 of 1724 🔗

psychopath sī′kə-păth″


A person who engages repeatedly in criminal and antisocial behaviour without remorse or empathy for those victimized.


A morally irresponsible person.


A person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, cunning, manipulating, glibness, exploiting, heedlessness, arrogance, delusions of grandeur, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, disregard for morality, lack of acceptance of responsibility, callousness, and lack of empathy and remorse. Such an individual may be especially prone to violent and criminal offences.

390361 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1423 of 1724 🔗

Well dePiffle and Poppycock certainly fit that description.
They presumably control their violence by uncontrolled bouts of laughter disguised as tears or by excessive hair ruffling.
When they can control it no longer, they contrive to be associated with a covid+ person so they can have a few days off to commit acts to which we are not privy.

390086 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1424 of 1724 🔗

EXACTLY!! – you can’t speak to these people, and equally it’s a waste of time listening to them: they just spout garbage. you are just banging your head against a brick wall. this is not going to be fixed by argument and debate, we are just not in that territory

390102 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to redbirdpete, 10, #1425 of 1724 🔗

This is especially true for the plight of children. Neither Doris nor Gove care about their own kids, so why would they care about anyone else’s? They are pure evil.

390180 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #1426 of 1724 🔗

Yes. I’m old fashioned enough to believe the care and upbringing of offspring should be any parent’s No.1 priority – even if the parents have problems with each other. This no longer seems to apply to the ‘great and good’ who either don’t have them in the first place or walk away from them if they do. How many offspring has The Fat Dictator got scattered about? Philandering wastrel that he is.

390232 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1427 of 1724 🔗

Six that we know of to three women. Close shave with a seventh one to a fourth woman (she miscarried). Some suggestions a couple of years ago there might be another one to a fifth woman.

390333 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1428 of 1724 🔗

6 (+/-) 2 ?

Who cares. The guy is a Scheister.

390184 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #1429 of 1724 🔗

I agree that these people are incompetent and I long for the day that they are removed from government.

But suggesting that they don’t care about their own children is a bit harsh.

Unless you have some hard evidence to support this claim …

390186 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to John P, #1430 of 1724 🔗

Just judging by their behaviour. i know we aren’t supposed to judge anyone any more – but feck that.

390244 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to John P, 6, #1431 of 1724 🔗

The Goves left their 11 year-old son on his own in a hotel – he was found wandering around at 1.30 am looking for them. There’s more than enough about Doris in the public domain to draw conclusions.

390063 gina, replying to gina, 11, #1432 of 1724 🔗

My son has just informed me that the buildings manager in his housing complex – rooms private but shared kitchen and shower rooms – is insisting on taking all tenant’s temperatures every morning.
I am appalled and can’t believe he is legally allowed to do this.
Does anyone know? I cant find any info online.

390082 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to gina, 9, #1433 of 1724 🔗

I cannot see any circumstances in which it would be legal for him to do so.

But that hasn’t meant very much for a while has it?

390413 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Jo Starlin, #1434 of 1724 🔗


390098 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to gina, 3, #1435 of 1724 🔗

And if your son says “No” what does the buildings manager intend to do?

390120 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1436 of 1724 🔗

I’m more worried about what he intends to do if your son is too hot?

390326 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #1437 of 1724 🔗


390421 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1438 of 1724 🔗

It’ll be the isolation room for him. Yikes!

390420 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1439 of 1724 🔗

I didn’t think to ask him that. Good point.
Boy tells me there is an ‘isolation room’ in the building. Scary huh?

390181 ▶▶ John P, replying to gina, 2, #1440 of 1724 🔗

It must be illegal.

390199 ▶▶ mj, replying to gina, 4, #1441 of 1724 🔗

if it is one of those pointing thermometers then he probably can although he would still need your son’s cooperation to get a good reading which your son does not need to give .
However any other thermometer would involve touching and that could be assault .
And a rectal thermometer is certainly out

390391 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 1, #1442 of 1724 🔗

I think those things are one of the most ridiculous things about this whole manufactured crisis.They serve no purpose whatsoever.
I can only think they are conditioning for the readable microchips Bill Gates is planning for us.

390412 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to mj, #1443 of 1724 🔗

he will be disappointed!

390239 ▶▶ Julian, replying to gina, 4, #1444 of 1724 🔗

The tenancy will be governed by a written contract that your son ought to have a copy of. Very much doubt there’s any clause in it that allows for forcing people to have their temperature taken.

Best say no to start with and check the contract/ask under what part of contract they think they can do this

390365 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Julian, 1, #1445 of 1724 🔗

He no doubt also has insurance and if sensible has a legal fees component . Half a million pounds will obtain a reasonably capable lawyer even in these times. ,

390416 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Julian, #1446 of 1724 🔗

thanks – good point. Appreciated.

390311 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to gina, 3, #1447 of 1724 🔗

Nope. Not legal. Violates the Nuremberg protocols, & UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics & Human rights.
First of all, Nuremberg makes it clear that the consent of the individual is essential, & this means voluntary consent. UNESCO declaration (article 6): “Any preventative, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and or any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

390415 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1448 of 1724 🔗

thanks for the info. Appreciated

390065 Tom Blackburn, 7, #1449 of 1724 🔗

The plot thickens. Captain Tom has been to Barbados (every credit btw). Genuinely hope he pulls through and some serious questions are asked. If he dies within 27 days of his test then the shit will hit the fan!

390068 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 13, #1450 of 1724 🔗

“Teachers speak out: school closures are a disaster”
Unherd interviews a number of teachers.


390085 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1451 of 1724 🔗

Absolutely true. Also, keep in mind, that many schools that are “open” are some form of hybrid. My school is one of the most open schools in the city and we only teach in person three days a week. When Biden and others push for opening schools, they are calling for mask-wearing and reduced school days. Ironically, all of this online and in person school makes twice as much work for teachers, while students are learning half as much.

390070 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #1452 of 1724 🔗

This weekend I’ve watched 28 days later and the weeks sequel. Directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, and wanted to share a few thoughts.

The second film hits all the rona action fictionally. Lockdown comes up several times, at one point all of the civilians are locked in a car park. Loads of face masks. Asymptomatic spread is a central theme. Zero human rights for anyone. The line “we’ve lost control” followed by carnage to stop the virus.

Now I quite like a dystopian fiction as entertainment, not least because they raise the ethical reasons for not doing these things. I would recommend these films if you haven’t seen them, stand out performances from Cillian Murphy and Robert Carlyle.

My point is that cultural trends feed through to politics. The films Judge Dredd and Demolition Man had lockdown themes and I’m sure there are many others. We’ve had at least fifteen years of zombie apocalypse TV and film and the narrative of the last year has that feel to it.

Randomly I walked through the 28 days later film set, around summer 2000 at 5:30 AM in London. It was eerie.

390099 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1453 of 1724 🔗

28 weeks later was literally the last film I ever saw (pretty much). I was that disgusted by it. It was sickening. I could see what it was getting us ready for. It was obvious and i found it very disturbing. It ws also a total splatter-fest. One of the worst films I have ever seen.

390172 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1454 of 1724 🔗

I can watch or read fiction without it disgusting me, certainly sci-fi style films anyway. I think the point of this genre is to play out scenarios as a morality tale. Then as thinking people we make our own minds up. My main point was how much lockdown has been a theme in fiction.

390226 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1455 of 1724 🔗

I’ve been saying this for a few years now , never watched those films , too close for comfort ! Also lots of the X Box etc games have the same concept , I’m betting the UK will have Sectors drawn up soon !

390279 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1456 of 1724 🔗

last film I saw before lockdown was “The Lighthouse” sort of a premonition of what’s to come. Haven’t yet got to the point of drinking turpentine!

390350 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1457 of 1724 🔗

Glad to hear it!

390071 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #1458 of 1724 🔗

Captain Tom was ill with pneumonia. He was admitted to hospital. He tested positive for the coronavirus. The media are reporting this as though he was ill with Covid 19 and has has been admitted to hospital.

390076 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #1459 of 1724 🔗

We are a long way beyond truth in the media now Steve.

Edit: Also, the man is a hundred years old.

390110 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1460 of 1724 🔗

Yes exactly. If you’re lucky enough to live to 100 then your life expectancy is 2.12 more years. So he’s done pretty well. Still it’s sad.

390116 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #1461 of 1724 🔗

I’m amazed it’s that high to be honest.

390176 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1462 of 1724 🔗

That’s if you get that far.

390149 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #1463 of 1724 🔗

it’s sad

No its not, he had his life, enjoyed his freedom & caused other people misery at the end, i’m not the least bit sad to see the end of the propaganda he facilitated or him.

390175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1464 of 1724 🔗

He was a dangerous fool, albeit a well-meaning one.
We all know what the road to Hell paved with.
Hope he survives, thiugh. Imagine the orgies of zombie hysteria if he doesn’t.

390386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 3, #1465 of 1724 🔗

When you get to 100 the faculties are not what they were.He was used by the government propaganda machine’and we should bear him no ill will.

390343 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #1466 of 1724 🔗

Sad? He’s lived a hundred presumably healthy years. He has a family he’s proud of. Lived a full and meaningful life and been lucky to escape dementia.

Compare that with the future that’s lined up for our grandkids and ask yourself what’s sad about Captain Tom.

390093 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1467 of 1724 🔗

No LCP for Cap Tom, oh no they will pull out all the stops to save this one. If this one dies, after getting jabbed, the most famous old man in the UK. This is just gonna be bad optics.

390097 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1468 of 1724 🔗

The reports say he hasn’t yet had the jab because they have been waiting for him to recover from pneumonia (the thing he’s actually poorly with). Whether that’s true or not, they’ve pre-empted any jab-related panic, it seems.

390103 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, #1469 of 1724 🔗

Lucky for them. Still if the NHS “cannot save him” it’s still gonna be a PR train wreck.

390111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1470 of 1724 🔗

They’ll just blame us, or Peter Hitchens, or Trump, or any random heretic.

390307 ▶▶▶▶ nic, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1471 of 1724 🔗

Picked it up in hospital I think where most transmissions occur.

390139 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1472 of 1724 🔗

Probably lining up body doubles right now.

390132 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #1473 of 1724 🔗

Naturally this is sad to hear, especially for his family and friends and there won’t be a person in the country who doesn’t wish him well.


If he sadly does succumb to this the media will have a field day and it will become yet another reason to keep us locked down forever. Once again emotion and hysteria will trump reason and logic.

On the plus side Piers Moron is so enthralled with this man he might blow his brains out on national television when he dies, which would be a great moment for us all.

390166 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, 5, #1474 of 1724 🔗

No its not sad, its life, at the end of every life you die. Simple biological fact. If you weren’t a loved one, friend or family, its an irrelevance to your life.

It’s unnatural to grieve over someone you don’t know, cpt tom might be a total bigoted murderer for all you know. Trust me people don’t get nicer with age.

390211 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1475 of 1724 🔗

More meant it was sad news rather than I was sad and 100% agree unless you knew him it doesn’t matter a jot.

I guess the wider point I was making is that his passing will be politicised and people will claim their grief about it is greater than the previous person’s. It happened with Diana and will happen with David Attenborough (never understood the obsession people have with a voiceover actor) and becomes a bore fest very quickly

390323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, 4, #1476 of 1724 🔗

I’m not having a go, its one of those insincere social rituals, a kind of emotional blackmail, society expects communal sorrow even though no one really gives a toss. I’m just openly too honest.

390355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1477 of 1724 🔗

Knew you weren’t having a go and completely agree the communal sorrow when he eventually kicks the bucket will be forced on us by the vile media in this country.

I can’t be alone in thinking what he did was pretty ordinary anyway. A sad reflection on society when “old bloke walks around his garden” becomes a global news story,

390073 Jo Starlin, 4, #1478 of 1724 🔗

This is completely off topic, but reading the UnzReview link posted by Rockoman below I chanced upon another article there, a retrospective of Dirty Harry for its fiftieth anniversary. Apparently John Wayne turned down the role as Harry and the Scorpio role was initially offered to the US war hero Audie Murphy, who died in a plane crash before he could accept!

390092 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 26, #1479 of 1724 🔗

Big day for me today…forgot my Sunflower Lanyard so popped into Co-op without it. Felt great! And there was another barefaced woman in there too so like 50% of the patrons 🙌🏼 Ok so she was too off her face on smack to be able to acknowledge this with me but it still felt good! I always wondered if people in shops were being kind towards me the past six months because my hidden disability was no longer masked (excuse the pun) but it made no difference today.

390143 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #1480 of 1724 🔗

Good, keep it up, remember they have NO RIGHT to insist on a lanyard or even ask.

390163 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 6, #1481 of 1724 🔗

I reminded various mask checkers in stores that they had no right to see any proof – some agreed, and some just looked blank/puzzled.

390170 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Alice, -1, #1482 of 1724 🔗

I’ve never met a “mask checker”.

390209 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to John P, 4, #1483 of 1724 🔗

I think I’ve just invented that term! It just means “an employee standing near the door, trying to look official, mumbling something about a mask”.

390339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alice, 1, #1484 of 1724 🔗

You should catch their eye and give them a beaming smile.

390169 ▶▶ John P, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #1485 of 1724 🔗

I have never worn a mask, and I do not have a lanyard.

I carry an exemption card in my wallet, but I have never been asked to produce it.

390095 Kevin 2, 2, #1486 of 1724 🔗

Atlantic Underground podcasts.
Recommend the episode with the brilliant David R Martin.

390121 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #1487 of 1724 🔗

Ruthie Henshall (West End star) is going to be on BBC breakfast and Radio 4 tomorrow morning talking about her campaign for family members to see those in care homes. Great stuff – surprised they are allowing such dangerous talk!

390161 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1488 of 1724 🔗

Musicals aren’t really my thing, but I had front row tickets for Chicago on a work junket about twenty years ago when she was starring in it. She was quite luminously beautiful.