2021-02-01

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390502 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 14, #1 of 1914 🔗

Still working in this shitty care home. ..help!

390508 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Teddy Edward, 11, #2 of 1914 🔗

Hancock LEAKS Brits’ Personal Medical Data To UK Police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_KjaHGoy8&t=346s

Mahyar Tousi

390570 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #3 of 1914 🔗

He cannot be allowed to do that and must be challenged.

391694 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #4 of 1914 🔗

He’s already done it. No parliamentary scrutiny.

391809 ▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to LMS2, 5, #5 of 1914 🔗

I didn’t find the bit where he leaked sensitive medical data but if private information became public it’s clearly a major Data Protection breach, a disaster for Hancock. Solicitors could rip him to pieces (so to speak …)

N.B. I’m not a lawyer but I’ve done dozens of cases over the years and won 90%. If this happened to me I’d probably fill in a claim form within the week.

390679 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #6 of 1914 🔗

Should be arrested, not just for this

390518 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Teddy Edward, 20, #7 of 1914 🔗

ITALY STARTS TO REOPEN
Da lunedì quasi tutta l’Italia diventa gialla, 5 regioni restano arancioni. Ecco cosa si può fare
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/30/news/da_lunedi_quasi_tutta_l_italia_diventa_gialla_5_regioni_restano_arancioni_ecco_cosa_si_puo_fare-284938893/

390524 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 31, #8 of 1914 🔗

Still a thicket of restrictions, including curfews, but a comparative paradise compared to our foul concentration camp. Bars open … museums open … shops open… aah.
But I presume, since nothing is said about it, that universal gagging is still the rule.

390573 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 39, #9 of 1914 🔗

I was in Italy in September, despite the seemingly stricter rules than here, at the time, the atmosphere was completely different. Nothing was shut, the town centres vibrant and the people pretty much their normal selves. I expect there were things we couldn’t see but it was genuinely the best holiday I have ever had purely for the relief of feeling free. Good luck to Italy.

390579 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to ituex, 14, #10 of 1914 🔗

We need people to do the same here

390521 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Teddy Edward, 14, #11 of 1914 🔗

Tell us what’s so awful about it, Ted. You are on the front line and we need to know what things are like where you are.

390530 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Annie, 34, #12 of 1914 🔗

I’m in the Rhondda. The previous Sunday a group of over weight Munchausen by proxy type District Nurses invaded the Home and jabbed the lot.One untimely death so far.

390532 ▶▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 26, #13 of 1914 🔗

There is no front line it’s all bollocks Annie.My 34th year in Nursing and my last.

390539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Teddy Edward, 15, #14 of 1914 🔗

All bollox, eh? We can add another scene to Dungford’s stupid Stalinist farce, then.
It’s awful that you are giving up after such devoted service. Do you think that many other nurses feel the sane?
Oh, and BTW, did the jab victims give informed consent?

390542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Annie, 16, #15 of 1914 🔗

The families depressingly gleefully gave consent.

391639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Teddy Edward, 4, #16 of 1914 🔗

The only good thing about this is they might not be so gleeful when they realise all the existing rules about social distancing, masks, no visiting etc still apply.

391318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Annie, 11, #17 of 1914 🔗

Many of the old school Nurses are in agreement with me.I moved into the Care Home sector because I got too old to wrestle with young violent psychotic patents on laminated floors in some hellish South London Hospital.The new generation are enthralled by their perceived self importance and easy money if you toe the line.The relatives willingly gave consent. Wales is remarkably compliant with this shit show.We have two circles of Hell Westminster and those crooks in the Welsh assembly.

392065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Teddy Edward, 2, #18 of 1914 🔗

If the useless, kow-towing, arse-licking, spineless, brainless Ass-embly was abolished as a result of the Coronabollox it would be a boon to Wales, though it wouldn’t make up for even a tenth of the bollox.
Better Boris, in all his nauseous foulness, than Boris-and-Dungford.

392313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, #19 of 1914 🔗

His Royal, nauseous foulness. Along with Princess Nut Nuts.

390560 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Teddy Edward, 11, #20 of 1914 🔗

Did they offer the recipients informed consent or was it just jab and …next.

390688 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Teddy Edward, 14, #21 of 1914 🔗

Interesting. I’ve got this theory that a it’s the jabbing squad that is bringing covid into nursing homes and killing the residents within a few weeks. A few very frail elderly people may well succumb to the side effects of the vaccine, ie very high temps, but many more will actually get the virus and die within the next couple of weeks.
If a jabber had the virus, then being up close, leaning over residents, breathing all those germs, whilst they ‘deliver’ the jab is a guaranteed way to spread the virus.
Think back to the Gibraltar incident, and the Hampshire care home. In both cases they had protected the residents pretty well throughout the past year. Then in comes the jabbing squad, and suddenly they have a bad outbreak of virus.

390907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Felice, 15, #22 of 1914 🔗

The vaccines are meant to kill, but not too quickly as that would be bad PR. The globalists must be getting somewhat worried that their depopulator cat is jumping out of its bag rather too soon. Still though, the thicko British public probably won’t notice a thing even if their whole neighbourhood drops dead ten minutes after being jabbed.

391000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Rowan, 15, #23 of 1914 🔗

If the brainwashed public did start to die in large numbers, even with “private ambulances” doing a roaring trade, they would still not notice anything. Even if they were walking past body bags in gardens, they wouldn’t care. Unless it was on the BBC and they were TOLD to care.

391665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 7, #24 of 1914 🔗

Yep. Easy to see now how the Germans could claim they didn’t know about the concentration camps. In all fairness most of them probably didn’t know much about them and didn’t want to – the few that raised questions were dealt with, and the rest learned not to ask questions.

392066 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #25 of 1914 🔗

They certainly knew about the murder of mental patients, which took place in their midst. ‘There goes the murder box again!’ said kids as the death-van passed by.

392316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, 1, #26 of 1914 🔗

Abduct Bill and Melinda. Jab them.

391224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Felice, 4, #27 of 1914 🔗

And no doubt they put all their faith in the silly muzzles they make the poor souls wear. Flies through chicken wire analogy?

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

392314 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Felice, #28 of 1914 🔗

Looks like a job for Emma Peel and John Steed.

390571 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Teddy Edward, #29 of 1914 🔗

Have all the residents been vaccinated?

391322 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Janette, 1, #30 of 1914 🔗

Of course how could you resist that kind offer.

390642 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Teddy Edward, 5, #31 of 1914 🔗

My colleague in a care home agreed thinking it was a typo when he was offered a ‘hand jab’.

391312 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bungle, 1, #32 of 1914 🔗

Hand jib???

391014 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Teddy Edward, 7, #33 of 1914 🔗

Leave. Persuade your fellow workers to leave. Persuade other care home workers to LEAVE. Strike. Screw these care companies. They have been universally terrible in this “scamdemic”.

Their leadership clueless. I only have to read some of the crap one of them comes out with in his staff news letters. This guy is a total fool. He knows NOTHING about anything to do with the Rona.

In fact their approach has been insane and in reality has been more akin to outright wide-spread abuse of their residents.

These companies are already in big trouble, all those staff who were’nt British nationals are going home and who want’s to work in one of these places now? Not many people.

391103 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Two-Six, 11, #34 of 1914 🔗

I work in social care in a short term emergency housing project. People only stay for a few days and then move on. The staff who are mostly under 30 were recently offered the vaccine and depressingly were falling over themselves to get it. I think there’s only me and one other person who declined. I’m seriously thinking of leaving if the the vaccine becomes mandatory for health and social care workers. I used to work for the NHS and know that the uptake has been less than 50% at the trust I worked for.

391229 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #35 of 1914 🔗

They might not want to work there but 20,000 women are about to become unemployed ……

391232 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 1, #36 of 1914 🔗

And what about the poor old residents? I agree that the staff are shabbily treated – but to take it out on the residents? I think many of them would not be as hard-hearted as you suggest, which is why the owners have them over a barrel.

391446 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, #37 of 1914 🔗

Yes the poor old residents…well mass strike action would certainly make the resident’s lives better wouldn’t it? The companies would be forced to drop all their covid bollocks.

However like you say, many people are brainwashed. So poor old residents.

391330 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Two-Six, 4, #38 of 1914 🔗

It’s a matter of time I will be asked to have that jab followed by a swift fuck off and Home.Care Homes are held together by the Foreign Legion and Africa Corps.

391467 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Two-Six, 2, #39 of 1914 🔗

It’s only a matter of time for me.I will be offered the jab followed by a quick fuck off then Home again for the History Channel.The sector is appalling held together by The Foreign Legion and the Africa Corps.

392257 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Teddy Edward, #40 of 1914 🔗

And how about your residents, Teddy? How do THEY feel?

390503 Hugh_Manity, replying to Hugh_Manity, 117, #41 of 1914 🔗

Starting to get really disappointed in LS as it continues to meekly regurgitate MSM articles with a “worth reading in full” caption. I for one would like hard hitting and scientifically based articles that destroy the narrative we are being force-fed by the relentless propaganda.

390536 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Hugh_Manity, 61, #42 of 1914 🔗

LS is now just a news aggregator for the most “sceptical” mainstream media pieces, most of which are limp, pro-Covid vaccine rebukes of the government. The real content has been below the line for months now.

Expect a name change soon to “Lockdown Agnostics” or something similarly centrist.

390541 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Scotty87, 26, #43 of 1914 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics is the right name.Remember the Tory Euro Sceptics who always moaned about the EU but never did anything about it.

390546 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #44 of 1914 🔗

Yes, but what’s your/the alternative?

390832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to steve, 14, #46 of 1914 🔗

Fab article. I’d really like share it but none of my friends will believe I’m now reading Conservative Woman!

390840 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 14, #47 of 1914 🔗

It’s the only relatively MSM site talking sense. Check in daily. Lots of good articles on all sorts.

Read the link within the article that is referenced.

The site Owner Laura Perrins is a hoot. Listen to their podcasts with James Delingpole.

391154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to steve, 5, #48 of 1914 🔗

I love Laura, she is so passionately against lockdowns and gets so animated on those podcasts with James.

390903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #49 of 1914 🔗

Maybe if they changed their title to politicallyconfusedgenderinfdifferent.co.uk they would get a lot more support?

391234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #50 of 1914 🔗

I can’t believe that I’m reading Conservative Woman!

392330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #51 of 1914 🔗

Haven’t read it yet but I love Laura Perrins on the Delingpod.

390890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve, 7, #52 of 1914 🔗

Worth reading in full – as some might say. Only this time it really is.

390769 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #53 of 1914 🔗

Thats a great point…wish I had thought of it! Its the same kind of people I think too. Left to that lot we would never have left the EU and I suspect its the same with this. What we want is angry lockdown hating opponents who do not think the oppressors have ‘the best of intentions’ but recognise that they are the absolute enemy.

391257 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Scotty87, #54 of 1914 🔗

Links to the Ministry of Truth radio ads? Control by income flow?

392324 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Scotty87, 1, #55 of 1914 🔗

People’s Liberation Army. Take that CCP!

390594 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Hugh_Manity, 59, #56 of 1914 🔗

But they produce this daily. All in all, I believe they do a good job, and deserve credit for it, and encouragement.

The odd article from Toby would be good though – at least more than we currently see. As a hard-bitten journalist, who knows himself how to bite, he is irreplaceable.

390599 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 13, #57 of 1914 🔗

Agreed. Both points.

390705 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to TJN, 27, #58 of 1914 🔗

I agree – it must take a lot of work to edit this daily. I do wish they’d remove that pic of starmer on his knee – been there for too long and makes me queasy!

390801 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #59 of 1914 🔗

Yes, that picture is sick inducing!

IMO, one issue with the posts is that they are becoming a little unwieldy, in particular the bits below the Roundup. Several of the sections don’t change from day to day, at least much. Maybe they could have their own pages down the side, and be referred to in the daily post only when something substantial is changed?

Whatever goes on in the daily posts, they are a vital vehicle for the BTL comments though, which are invariably vibrant and often thought-provoking.

391246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 2, #60 of 1914 🔗

Don’t forget the update’s target audience isn’t us BTLers.
There are new people coming to LS every day, so it’s fine for the fixed articles to be included. It keeps the GBD in public view and the info re masks will be very useful for newbies.
I usually just skip down and look for any stop presses.

390866 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #61 of 1914 🔗

I would love never to see a picture of Boris Johnson again, especially the one with a mask, wearing a white coat.

391022 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #62 of 1914 🔗

They should replace it with this one.

391041 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Two-Six, 10, #63 of 1914 🔗

No, no, no…Just get rid of it!

392416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #64 of 1914 🔗

yes but it’s supposed to be introducing “woke gobledegook”.

If we could have no more pictures of Matt Hancock though, as some of us will be trying to eat, that would be much appreciated.

391105 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #65 of 1914 🔗

Not queasy, just boring!!

391767 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #66 of 1914 🔗

Perhaps this site intends to mix propaganda in with truths at subliminal levels while ostensibly making rational cases against it. Or simply ignorant?

If I was ‘the bad guys’ in this Script I would not leave opposition to chance. But would allow to run what could be used to advance the possession and control agenda. Do you see any other agenda?

Toby wants to be and not to not be, and perhaps framed this from the outset to only look at it in the framing of medical or politician-political pretexts.
He knows the people who are compliant and willingly doing this top down squeeze as does Dellingpole.

Economic and social corruption is the underlying issue – which is itself a symptom of a loss of consciousness to device of deceit – such as the mind control passing off as communication.

I am not accusing anyone of anything here so much as recognising that we have many levels of masking that are ‘old normal’ and for the most part invisible.

390820 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to TJN, 15, #67 of 1914 🔗

LDS was a beacon of light last spring. Now they have morphed to MSM views.
It’s like Talk radio. For a while they were pretty much calling this sham out for what it is but since they got their YouTube ban every comment is qualified with the usual mantra. Shame.

390873 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to steve, 9, #68 of 1914 🔗

You mean where Julia Hartly Brewer spends 10 minutes explaining initially she was for the lockdown (“As it was new disease so let’s have a lockdown) now she’s against it, but she socially distances, washes her hands, wears a mask and wants her parents to be vaccinated

391386 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #69 of 1914 🔗

Basically yes.
Even mike Graham and his cohort Kevin O’Sullivan. The plank of the week is still great and the Thought Police podcast was epic but I’ve Def noticed a Toning down of the scepticism.

390916 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TJN, 9, #70 of 1914 🔗

His performance at Cambridge Union was outstanding. Brady was good, but Toby was the only one there with all the facts and figures at his fingertips and incisive arguments.

391743 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to TJN, 1, #71 of 1914 🔗

Some sort of ethos, policy and strategy for reporting would be good.
There’s so much loose talk (using weaponised language as if it is legit currency)
and such a huge willingness to get lost in the long grass so as not to state the obvious and address what remains.

Manipulation and deceit used against us all calls for education and neutralising of such devices.

From captive or self-censored sources we can learn much by what is not told us.
Regardless anyone’s own reasons for why they wont go there.
Self limiting compliance is evidenced on many levels – not just in the ‘lockdowners’.

392335 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to TJN, 1, #72 of 1914 🔗

He’s over on FSU most of the time. Can’t do both for long. Caroline would go spare!

390636 ▶▶ steve, replying to Hugh_Manity, 22, #73 of 1914 🔗

Not been here for months now for the reason you outlined above.

A few days ago repeated the MSM line about definitely XS deaths and no FP test. What utter pish.
The Xs deaths were flat from spring onwards. Then only suddenly jan sees a spike, coincidentally the same time as 4 million of the most unhealthy elderly people get their life saving jab of a new untested drug. In normal times this would be investigated but not now.

390807 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to steve, 7, #74 of 1914 🔗

Here is the data to 31st Dec I took the liberty of charting.

Anyone who can’t spot the correlation between the “pandemic” and closing hospital and denying treatment and the massive ramp in bogus PCR test must be working for No10

According to Lancet we are at a minimum of 1 million false positive test now. Increasing at 10K per day

391928 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to steve, 1, #75 of 1914 🔗

I’m afraid vaccine harms have never been adequately examined, the DoH and the Pharma companies in league on that one for the past forty years.

However what we are now seeing is an astounding degree of medical and regulatory recklessness and negligence. (to a degree that is hard for me to believe can be accidental)

It makes me wonder what could qualify as an adverse vaccine reaction if immediate increase in deaths in vulnerable elderly people does not count.

390664 ▶▶ iane, replying to Hugh_Manity, 5, #76 of 1914 🔗

Yes – it is the repeated ad infinitum “worth reading in full” that gets my goat, especially as very few such links have anything new to say!

390931 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to iane, 24, #77 of 1914 🔗

I think some of the occasional trolls on here – and I’m not saying at this point you are one – have deliberately set out to undermine Toby Young and sever the trust between him and his readers. I don’t agree that there is ‘no conspiracy’ but I still trust him and remain grateful that, in a society stripped of dissent, he’s still here.

391794 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bugle, 2, #78 of 1914 🔗

The need is to criticise the issue where there is one and not attack the person.
Emotional investments in good v evil binary are too quick to flag the ‘evil’ to anything that breaks from their own narrative identity – and while understandable, it is not helpful to a clear communication of the issues.

If you believe the BBC is lying to you – would you seek to undermine the trust between it and its viewers/listeners? I think the BBC do a great job at that all by themselves to anyone who cares to notice.

Likewise in any point of information, if we care to notice we learn by what we see. That I DO NOT see hardly any active trolling here tells me it is not a threat to the establishment. It’s more of a social club.

391255 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iane, 4, #79 of 1914 🔗

Possibly gets round copyright constraints?

391511 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #80 of 1914 🔗

Yes, almost certainly the main reason. You can quote an extract without permission, but not the whole thing.

390919 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Hugh_Manity, 16, #81 of 1914 🔗

It is difficult. We all know that there is no way the lockdown strategy is ever going to be reversed. Lockdown will always be deemed to be the ONLY answer and there is very little LS can do about that regardless of graphs, studies, Sweden and various data and articles that indicate the cure is very worse than the disease. The best we can do now is to help push for an eventual return to proper normal without caveats. I’m not very hopeful given what has happened in the past twelve months but we have got to keep trying.

391233 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #82 of 1914 🔗

Like this one:
https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
Definitely ”worth reading in full”!

391555 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Hugh_Manity, #83 of 1914 🔗

You’re right. Their fiver a month from me cannot be taken for granted!

390504 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 29, #84 of 1914 🔗

Yes keeping safe amongst this mess. Discarded PPE on the staff room floor. Stay safe be seeing you!

390505 ▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 47, #85 of 1914 🔗

It demonstrates the futility of the whole operation we have reached saturation point and the casual disregard of pointless equipment is indicative.Most of my Nursing colleagues are on to this bullshit.

390522 ▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to Teddy Edward, 14, #86 of 1914 🔗

No one believes it.

These two masks are on my kitchen table right now, I’m a builder, which do you think is most likely to protect you from a deadly pandemic:

https://imgur.com/a/XKVRyZW

390525 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Illimitible, 9, #87 of 1914 🔗

Probably neither.

390910 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Illimitible, 4, #88 of 1914 🔗

which do you think is most likely to protect you from a deadly pandemic

I don’t know, but if we ever get one maybe you could do some tests for us?

391030 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Bill, 3, #89 of 1914 🔗

Put the blue one in a sanwitch bag….sorted (as long as you duct tape round the edges).
99% safe, for up to about two minutes, then as breathing ceases 100% safe for the rest of eternity.

391751 ▶▶▶▶ RichT, replying to Illimitible, #90 of 1914 🔗

The winklepickers offer the most protection

390598 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Teddy Edward, 26, #91 of 1914 🔗

That goes to show that all this is simply for show and no-one seriously believes that masks really do anything positive. During my walks I’ve lost count of how many discarded masks I’ve seen, how people shove them into bags and pockets together with used tissues and other things, how they constantly touch their faces while wearing it, etc.

As I’ve been constantly wondering, where are the biohazard bins?

390943 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #92 of 1914 🔗

I saw a young healthy looking builder in the petrol station this weekend. His mask – with a Jaws design – was unbelievably filthy. Still, where there’s muck there’s brass.

391009 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bugle, 5, #93 of 1914 🔗

The woman serving me yesterday at the cafe where I was ordering takeaway was constantly fiddling with her mask while operating the till then moving on to make our coffees!

391211 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #94 of 1914 🔗

“If you re going to keep fiddling about with your mask while making my coffee, then - I don t want the coffee”.

390506 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #95 of 1914 🔗

History Repeating?
Deja Vu: The Swine Flu Vaccination Fraud of 1976

If the vaccine is 100% safe why do they need immunity from civil litigation?
Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS) (Described Concisely)

390509 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #97 of 1914 🔗

Informed consent?
The Mirror Project – Vaccination-ism

If you tried covid19 pandemic in a court of law, by a jury of 12 good men & women. What would the verdict be?
Corona The Simple Truth in Under 6 Minutes

390513 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #98 of 1914 🔗

What if you tried the government? The Simpsons Knew It All Along

390534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #101 of 1914 🔗

Not two masks. At least two layers, meaning not the one you made out of an old sock, or a bandanna.
Still stupid, tyrannical and useless, of course. I wonder who just bought shares in a firm that manufactures face knickers?

390842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Annie, 3, #102 of 1914 🔗

Oh come on, Annie. Two layers of fuck-all use must be better than one layer of . . . . . (I’d call it magical thinking but instead it’s good, plain old tyranny and humiliation, straight out of the Biderman torture playbook). Oh and, as you point out, all that lovely money to be made!

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/08/23/dr-lee-merritt-dismantling-the-official-lies-of-the-covid-crisis/

Dr Lee Merritt had it all bang-to-rights back in August. This is a brilliant talk. MW

391277 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #103 of 1914 🔗

Very good, thanks.

390510 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 50, #105 of 1914 🔗

Very, very different noises coming from the Thai CCSA (Centre for Covid Situation Administration) today:

“The CCSA’s Dr Taweesin said that though the virus situation in many provinces is improving, people still need to maintain good hygiene practices, at least until the virus becomes a regular disease that health authorities can handle.”

That sounds like the beginnings of an admission that zero covid is unattainable. I’m slightly encouraged. (Which by the standards of 2020 and 2021, and despite the appalling and illegal prohibition on British citizens leaving their own country, makes this a very good morning.)

390515 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 17, #106 of 1914 🔗

Good Morning to you, too, NN.

Glad you’re back. 🙂

390733 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #107 of 1914 🔗

welcome back NN – great to hear your stories!

390512 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 30, #108 of 1914 🔗

SAGE have completely lost their minds.

In the first article ATL, Jonathon links to the DT article mentioning that social distancing might need to stay until late in the year. The Mail also covers this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9207135/Covid-UK-Social-distancing-remain-place-YEAR.html

Look at the graphs! Look at the death numbers – total insanity!

390517 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Ceriain, 35, #109 of 1914 🔗

These people are insane.

But then we knew that.

390689 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ceriain, 4, #110 of 1914 🔗

After world war two german officers etc fled into hiding. Simon Wiesenthal perhaps the most famous name to track them down for years afterwards.

390826 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ceriain, 6, #111 of 1914 🔗

The wonderful world of make believe modelling. Why bother ever doing any proper science again ….

391027 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ceriain, #112 of 1914 🔗

WTF is the ‘Rule of Six’? I hope the virus knows about it as I certainly don’t.

391284 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #113 of 1914 🔗

WTF?? Scary stuff!

390514 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 73, #114 of 1914 🔗

I posted this late last night in a reply to a post about Captain Sir Tom Moore; a reader thought the day-shift might enjoy it:

Handjob is currently on ancestor.co.uk trying to find out if he’s a family member.

Astonishing scenes in the Commons today when the Secretary of State for Health, Matt Handjob, announced, while wiping tears from his eyes, “My mum’s mate’s auntie’s second cousin’s dad’s uncle’s pal’s step-sister-in-law’s daughter Susan’s Grandad has died. Tom was like a father to me…” 😉

390574 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 8, #115 of 1914 🔗

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

390621 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Ceriain, 5, #116 of 1914 🔗

Right, now set it to music and turn it into a hit single.
( Hancock, The Opera )

390747 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to popo says, 9, #117 of 1914 🔗

The PsyOpera?

392341 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to popo says, #118 of 1914 🔗

Twilight of the Frauds.

390519 Illimitible, replying to Illimitible, 22, #119 of 1914 🔗

In a builder and this is my kitchen table.

There are two masks on it, one of them complies with health and safety regulations to stop you inhaling nasty dust that isn’t great but won’t kill you.

The government says that the other one is great for dealing with your exposure to a deadly killer pandemic virus and must be adopted by the entire population to save lives and sand the NHS

Which is which..

Answers on a postcard please

https://imgur.com/a/XKVRyZW

390526 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Illimitible, 29, #120 of 1914 🔗

Yes I agree with you, ironically one reason I do not wear a face mask is throat and respiratory problems probably related to agricultural and chemical (seed plant) dust exposure. When I worked on dust prevention later in my career it was clear that dust protection was very hard to achieve and in fact where possible the real solution was to put dust extraction on the process rather than try and rely on individual masks.

If it is that hard to keep out building, agricultural and chemical dusts how a simple piece of cloth is supposed to keep out a much smaller virus particle is completely beyond me?

390527 ▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #121 of 1914 🔗

It’s not even cloth, it’s paper.

Laughable.

And the sheep believe it.

There really is one born every minute. Millions and millions of them actually.

390538 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Illimitible, 24, #122 of 1914 🔗

And someone else is laughing all the way to the bank …

390563 ▶▶▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to kh1485, 8, #123 of 1914 🔗

The one that I want to wear is £22 in screwfix and worth every penny. The other however ?? It’s just BS

390537 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #124 of 1914 🔗

Remember that face knickers are supposed to keep the virus in , so that you don’t breathe death upon others but keep it all to yourself. Dust masks are supposed to keep dust out .

390564 ▶▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to Annie, 2, #125 of 1914 🔗

You try both on and make your mind up after that.

390597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Illimitible, 13, #126 of 1914 🔗

Have worn dust mask while doing diy. Will die before wearing face knickers.

392347 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, #127 of 1914 🔗

You don’t breathe death, you inhale it instead.

390544 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Illimitible, 12, #128 of 1914 🔗

Actually government advice is that people should cut up an old T-shirt and make it into a face covering. The government even provides a handy how to guide: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering/how-to-wear-and-make-a-cloth-face-covering

390565 ▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #129 of 1914 🔗

Phew – that’s a relief. We’re saved 😂

392346 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Illimitible, #130 of 1914 🔗

The virus most likely escaped from a Level 4 laboratory. A helluva lot more secure than a PPE.

390523 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 31, #131 of 1914 🔗

I followed the Twitter link from the opening piece, and I actually thought for a second that this image was from a parody account – it’s not. Welcome to life under the Great Reset, where only well-connected elites can leave the country.

I wonder how all of those Z list, ex-reality show Instagram mercenaries feel about their government now? Just a few months ago they were happy to take taxpayers’ money to lecture their followers to stay at home, now they’ll be traipsing through a marshy Welsh caravan park this summer instead of the golden sands of Dubai.

Useful idiots the lot of them.

390823 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 9, #132 of 1914 🔗

How can you stop me travelling? How by any edict can this be right. I should be free to go where I want, its fucking disgusting you cannot make this illegal just because you say so. This must be a signed off act of parliament not just a sweep of a pen by the awful Pratty Patel.

390528 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 31, #133 of 1914 🔗

I do not suppose I am the only one to see the irony of this morning’s news about a military take over in Myanmar and how China is expected to support the military coup. A rather more dramatic style than the UK Junta adopted to enact their coup of the UK but ironic nonetheless to think that that the peoples of the UK and Myanmar now share a common link of oppressive authoritarian government with huge restrictions on freedoms.

390535 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #134 of 1914 🔗

To be fair Aung San Suu Kyi was on a very short leash anyway Leader in name only
It was always the Military

391029 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #135 of 1914 🔗

She is a CIA stooge, hence the prominent positive MSM coverage.

390529 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 24, #136 of 1914 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/onWqOMszB3Pc/

Dr Simone Gold, from America’s Frontline Doctors addressing a seminar of medical professionals on covid lies, effectiveness of alternative treatments, the risks of participating in the experimental gene therapy trial and the reasons underlying minority groups rejecting traditional vaccines.

Probably the most informative video I have watched yet.

390655 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #137 of 1914 🔗

I was impressed with this, too. The FBI arrested her after Biden took office. Shocking! Go to her twitter page.

390748 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #138 of 1914 🔗

You see this is what we should not be tolerating. Good honest people being arrested for telling the truth.

390754 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #139 of 1914 🔗

I’m not on twitter, which is probably a good thing.

For me, the scariest thing was her assertion that this treatment was tested during a previous outbreak of cornavirus on ferrets. They showed no adverse effects when injected with the two doses of the treatment, UNTIL the wild coronavirus was introduced. All the test subjects died.

She made it quite clear that she wasn’t saying it was going to happen, just we have no idea if it will or not, because it hasn’t been properly tested beford engaging humans in the experimental trial.

The implications, if this were to happen with billions around the world having been enrolled in the trial, are too horrendous to contemplate.

391669 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #140 of 1914 🔗

Antibody-Dependent Enhancement

The Improbability of the Rapid Development of a Vaccine for SARS-CoV-2
Kevin V. Morris

“There is little doubt that humankind would love nothing more than to have a viable vaccine to CoV-2. However, there are objective realities for why we do not yet have a vaccine for coronaviruses in cats, Dengue, Ebola, and HIV in humans, and this is because all of these viruses induce some level of ADE. Moreover, it is exceedingly challenging to dissect and control an immune system that has co-evolved with viruses for millions of years. It is for these reasons, based on an abundance of previously published studies on ADE and coronaviruses, that I am concerned by the lack of focus and/or concerted efforts toward the rapid development of therapeutics specifically tailored for CoV-2.”

391884 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richy_m_99, #141 of 1914 🔗

Not “too horrendous to contemplate”, exactly what they originally intended to happen. However, the virus was nowhere near as virulent as they hoped.

Gottseidank.

390531 danny, replying to danny, 89, #142 of 1914 🔗

DM headline…
“Pray for captain Tom”
No.
With no disrespect to the mam, who seems like a lovely guy, I am not praying for the recovery of a 100 year old man with pneumonia. If he gets better I am happy for him and his family, but this is insane now. We have become immortal?

390540 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 42, #143 of 1914 🔗

I do hope he outlives the coronabollox, because can you imagine the lying in in Westminster Abbey, the state funeral, the orgies of zombie hysteria?

390543 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 15, #144 of 1914 🔗

indeed – a martyr of the covid cult

390744 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, 18, #145 of 1914 🔗

Actually you do have a point. I don’t think I want to see another Diana Episode. Once in a lifetime is too much!

390785 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #146 of 1914 🔗

To be honest that was when I first realised I was sharing the planet with total morons. It was a very clear warning about what was to come with this. As a rational individual you are powerless against the tyranny of the moronic majority.

391057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #147 of 1914 🔗

The moronic masses have been given WAY WAY WAY to much power in the Corona scam. This fundamentally is the problem. Throw in a good deal of pure evil and it’s a heady blend.

391573 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #148 of 1914 🔗

I’m glad I was only 3 months old when she died. I remember my mum telling me that her mother-in-law phoned when it happened, completely devastated, and my mum thought she was completely taking the piss and started mocking along with her! They’ve never got along but I expect this made relations even worse.

Whichever Gallagher brother said ‘she’s dead – get over it’ was spot on!

390547 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 22, #149 of 1914 🔗

Everybody MUST live forever.
By orders of HMG.

390553 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #150 of 1914 🔗

Living in the UK 2021 style???
Oh, they call it livin’, Baby, someone’s lyin”

390665 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #151 of 1914 🔗

He was in fine fettle till he got that infected telegram from Liz.

390828 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #152 of 1914 🔗

Or when they took him on a long haul flight?

391351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Spikedee1, #153 of 1914 🔗

Or jabbed him

390788 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #154 of 1914 🔗

But the quality of life must be worse than death.

392418 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Boris Bullshit, #155 of 1914 🔗

who’d want to live to be a hundred? Someone who’s 99.

I bet it’s true!

391077 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #156 of 1914 🔗

With living being redefined as ‘not dying’ aka vegetating.

392417 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Fingerache Philip, #157 of 1914 🔗

that fellow who said “they love life, we love death” must be laughing his socks off

390739 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to danny, 1, #158 of 1914 🔗

I agree.

390955 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to danny, 13, #159 of 1914 🔗

What amazed me was that according to his family he became ill after a Xmas break in Barbados!

100 year olds get Xmas breaks to Barbados?

My nan was 96 when she died, she never even got a Xmas break in Blackpool – or anywhere else.

391089 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Old Bill, #160 of 1914 🔗

Yeah, and I bet she didn’t have a garden the size of a football pitch (actually I have no idea what the size of a football pitch is, but it sounds and looks good, don’t it?).

391671 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, #161 of 1914 🔗

The rest of Yorkshire got one day. Not really long enough to get to Barbados and back.

391347 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to danny, #162 of 1914 🔗

Another fucking stooge as if he raised all that dosh Joe public are thick but they don’t like giving their beer, lottery and fag money away

390533 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 21, #163 of 1914 🔗

Am I the only one to notice the irony of the description of the link ATL to the large attendance at an Ulster Volunteer Force funeral.

There was a time in the past where the description would have been that all the attendees wore masks.

390616 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #164 of 1914 🔗

Snarlene was recently bitching about Republicans attending funerals en masse – will she be as quick to condemn her own?

390545 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #165 of 1914 🔗

Captain Tom Moore in hospital with Covid:WAIT FOR IT!!!!

390548 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #166 of 1914 🔗

Oh dear, I can just imagine the hysteria over on breakfast telly right now.

390551 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 20, #167 of 1914 🔗

Stop press.100 year old man ill in hospital.

390552 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #168 of 1914 🔗

And Piers Morgan yelling into the camera that it is our fault that his hero is now in hospital …

390558 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 22, #169 of 1914 🔗

He’s been ill with pneumonia but all anyone will hear is COVID

390604 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #170 of 1914 🔗

Covid is pneumonia

390735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bungle, 4, #171 of 1914 🔗

My sister in law died from pneumonia last April. She did not have Covid! Pneumonia has been around forever, before Covid was even thought of.

391385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #172 of 1914 🔗

no, no, surely death and disease only appeared in 2020? it never happened at all before them

391941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Bungle, 1, #173 of 1914 🔗

Pneumonia can be caused by many different pathogens viral and bacterial.

390562 ▶▶▶▶ Illimitible, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #174 of 1914 🔗

I bet he’ll survive it. A lot of it is kind over matter and he’s not overweight

391393 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Illimitible, #175 of 1914 🔗

I fully agree, these covid weaklings need to pull themselves together, get fit, lose weight, get out into the fields….

391679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Illimitible, #176 of 1914 🔗

They’ll probably be giving him ivermectin on the sly.
Unless they want him to be a martyr, in which case, he’s no chance.

390555 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #177 of 1914 🔗

Did he catch it in hospital? Nice way for the NHS to thank him

391677 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to steve_w, 1, #178 of 1914 🔗

Well we will never be told … but he was tested AFTER admission!

390587 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #179 of 1914 🔗

Wouldn’t he have been vaccinated? Does anyone know???

390591 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #180 of 1914 🔗

His daughter said he hasn’t because of his being ill with pneumonia for a few weeks. The Captain don’t need no steenkin’ vaccine.

390753 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #181 of 1914 🔗

Has she been paid to say that?

390606 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #182 of 1914 🔗

Jesus wept. As much as I hope he recovers, the news coverage is too much. I fear that he will be the Princess Diana of our current time.

390661 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #183 of 1914 🔗

Can we find a way to smuggle him in some ivermectin?

390663 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #184 of 1914 🔗

Maybe hidden in some Werthers Originals?

390737 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #185 of 1914 🔗

And the Fishermen’s Friends 😂

390691 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #186 of 1914 🔗

What about hiding them amongst flowers and his favourite sweets?

390758 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #187 of 1914 🔗

Flowers? Are you crazy? Flowers are strictly forbidden in today’s ‘caring’ NHS. Massive vectors of disease, apparently.

390762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 1, #188 of 1914 🔗

Not aimed at you Bart (obvs) …

390821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #189 of 1914 🔗

I think they were already not allowed long before this shit show. but yeah, I can see them panicking even more because of Covid.

390843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #190 of 1914 🔗

Yes they were banned before, as I found out to my cost. When I tried to take some in for my mum to cheer her up, I was set upon by a Hattie Jacques type for my not knowing the ‘rules’.

391869 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #191 of 1914 🔗

The press would love a new Princess Di moment. Kaching!

390728 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #192 of 1914 🔗

😬 I’m so glad we don’t watch live TV. I really couldn’t bear the feverish virtue signalling hogwash from MSM.

391037 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #193 of 1914 🔗

105 year old babushka in Russia laughs off covid.

100 year old man in UK used as prop to promote fear

391040 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #194 of 1914 🔗

Does he actually have the symptoms of covid, or is it just a positive test result?

391095 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ken Garoo, #195 of 1914 🔗

?

391686 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ken Garoo, #196 of 1914 🔗

He already had pneumonia so how would you spot any additional covid symptoms? Definitely will have been tested though.

391863 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cheezilla, #197 of 1914 🔗

I would expect pneumonia to be a complication of being ill / over-stressed and bed-ridden. So was there a real case of covid, something else (influenza?) or was he dumped in a hospital (because positive test result?) only to catch pneumonia there?

390549 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #198 of 1914 🔗

How does this end?

390554 ▶▶ chaos, replying to steve_w, 26, #199 of 1914 🔗

With a reduced population. Wind turbines everywhere. No shops. No bars. No holidays. Forever in masks.

390556 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to chaos, 2, #200 of 1914 🔗

I think if SAGE have their way. Any news on Italy?

390595 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 3, #201 of 1914 🔗

Many restrictions relaxed. See earlier post.

390610 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to chaos, 7, #202 of 1914 🔗

No jobs unless you work in the Corona KGB. Soviet style apartment buildings because you won’t own much.

390896 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to chaos, 2, #203 of 1914 🔗

6 million, all slaves? Enough windmills, dams and solar panels already?

Fancy that.

390569 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 34, #204 of 1914 🔗

When people finally wake up and say “enough”. But that won’t happen until they are hit in the pocket. One thing is for sure, the majority don’t give a flying f**k about their liberty.

390576 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 7, #205 of 1914 🔗

The roads are busy in comparison to lockdown 1. But I think the government is swayed by what public opinion seems to be – and they seem to be broadly supportive.

390612 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kh1485, 17, #206 of 1914 🔗

Turn off the magic money machine and there would be civil unrest. Furlough is what keeps the sheep bleating happily.
Or turn off footie and deprive the peasants of the bread and circuses. How many tight short wearing footie fairies died of CV again? Don’t see them wearing diapers or distancing.

390712 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 12, #207 of 1914 🔗

The furlough and fearporn are the only things keeping the Big Lie going.

390613 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 9, #208 of 1914 🔗

Many people managed to get away abroad last year but now their annual ‘Holiday In The Sun’ is illegal and this may sway them out of complacent acceptance.

During the whole of the credit crunch/ austerity crisis I only ever heard one heartfelt complaint which was from a young man who seemed to think that it was a breach of his human rights for his bank to refuse yet another loan which he needed to finance his annual fortnight in Ibeza.

390724 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 2, #209 of 1914 🔗

Our holiday was cancelled last year. It was the first year we never went on holiday.

390984 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, #210 of 1914 🔗

But you thought it was a one off sacrifice to keep the country safe from the Covid?

391066 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, #211 of 1914 🔗

I haven’t been in a plane since 2010.

391254 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 11, #212 of 1914 🔗

Something like this might help to wake up the masses:

“Work (for those lucky enough to have a job), supermarket, home. That’s your future from now on. No holidays, no pubs, no large-scale entertainment. Just pigging out on your sofa and watching trash on a screen.”

Unfortunately some people would be happy enough like that for the rest of their lives. But enough wouldn’t that they might just wake up. Maybe the scenario I’ve described is too pessimistic, but it’s looking likely for 2021 at least.

For myself, I’m not too bothered if I don’t go abroad this year, and I’d be disappointed but not devastated if I never went abroad again. But even in the UK I don’t want to go anywhere on holiday if it means vaccine certificates, masks, distancing, one-way systems, pre-booking, queuing, limited numbers, track & trace (is that still going?), eating in your hotel room, staff getting stroppy if you step out of line, and any other bollocks which I’ve forgotten to mention.

390723 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to kh1485, 2, #213 of 1914 🔗

Very true. They dont care. As long as they are ‘safe’

390683 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to steve_w, 2, #214 of 1914 🔗

Look at the population forecasts on Deagel.com

If you want more information on that, watch Tru News’ video on it.

https://www.trunews.com/stream/deagel-doom-mysterious-website-reveals-more-about-2025-mass-death

390902 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to this is my username, 1, #215 of 1914 🔗

Georgia Guide Stones.

391699 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #216 of 1914 🔗
  • …..
  • Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  • …..
  • Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  • …..
390550 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 32, #217 of 1914 🔗

Looking at the news from Israel we can see how things might progress here.
After everyone has been vaccinated there will be no let up in lockdown policy because of the scary new variants.
These will require more lockdown and different vaccines.
The future is one of perpetual lockdown and vaccination.The government are already seeding the idea that there will be no let up of restrictions during the summer and Vallance said new vaccines may be needed.
This is the new normal we were promised.

390561 ▶▶ Illimitible, replying to jonathan Palmer, 30, #218 of 1914 🔗

Correct. It’s nothing to do with a virus, it’s to do with the fact that they can’t bow remove the furlough payments from the system without it collapsing. So it has to migrate to UBI. They don’t have a choice. To get that to happen they need to keep the fear alive.

If they try to open it up now most small business and retail with collapse, with that will go tax revenues (already fucked) and the fundamentals of the system inplode

It’s not good

390609 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Illimitible, 20, #219 of 1914 🔗

Yes spot on on the Hindoo magic money machine. Knickknack will announce UBI this spring I believe. To wild applause. The markets will go up. The sheeple will bleat their profound thanks. And taxes will go up. The fantasy world staggers on. The Corona KGB have to permanently implement UBI or face unrest because the real unemployment is 25%. The whole circus will end one day very badly. Knickknack is of course a Golden Slacks-Rothschild millionaire. Unaffected.

390618 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to FerdIII, 8, #220 of 1914 🔗

And in the meantime, people who pay a lot of tax are eyeing up jobs elsewhere to avoid having to pay for this fiasco. I can see it coming.
I know a lot of these people through work, and it’s going to happen.

391712 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to sophie123, 1, #221 of 1914 🔗

Spot-on, Sophie. That sort of person doesn’t hang about waiting to be taxed. This is the ultimate stupidity exhibited by (normally Labour) Chancellors.

390623 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FerdIII, 3, #222 of 1914 🔗

Presumably people like Sunak are looking to preserve their wealth by putting it into things or digital currency. Perhaps somebody with an economist’s insight can advise how this plays out? Perhaps you are that person, Ferd?

390680 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bugle, 9, #223 of 1914 🔗

Put all your savings into toilet rolls if you’re feeling flush. But don’t flush. That would be pouring all your money down the drain.

391697 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bugle, 3, #224 of 1914 🔗

A few years ago, when we could see this coming (most definitely not the virus, we weren’t in the “beyond evil” club who are told these things before they happen) the two forum groups of which I was a member were having astonishingly-animated discussions on this very subject.

We came to the conclusion that precious metals and top-quality, transportable antiques and collectibles, land and property were the things to buy. Since then, property has been removed from the list for some people, because it is able to be easily subjected to swinging taxes and is much more likely to be subjected to excessive regulation (which we have seen recently). It is also part of the Great Reset confiscation, so that’s another reason.

Before you attempt to buy any of these items, we recommended that all households have two weeks’ worth of food/consumables and two weeks’ worth of cash on hand; and the government had actually publicised this recommendation some years ago.

391947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RichardJames, #225 of 1914 🔗

Thank you.

390653 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #226 of 1914 🔗

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1355856699219988483

Ten staffmembers in a hospital got C-19 ten days after the second dose of the vaccine.Just an anecdotal report and the trials said 7% would be susceptible.But?

390845 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #227 of 1914 🔗

Don’t forget that it’s not just one jab per person it’s going to be every year, so it’s a never ending job worldwide –

392355 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #228 of 1914 🔗

Bibi is a despicable human being.

390557 steve_w, 9, #229 of 1914 🔗

I couldn’t have put it better myself

390559 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #230 of 1914 🔗

We need a new section for ‘Lockdown zealot’ theme tunes.

Here’s one they might like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vLhcg_FU9g

390566 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #231 of 1914 🔗

Lyrics:

Three wheels on my wagon,
And I’m still rolling along
The Cherokees are chasing me
Arrows fly, right on by
But I’m singing a happy song

I’m singing a higgity, haggity, hoggety, high
Pioneers, they never say die
A mile up the road there’s a hidden cave
And we can watch those Cherokees
Go galloping by

SPOKEN: “George, they’re catching up to us!”
“Get back in the wagon woman!”

Two wheels on my wagon,
And I’m still rolling along
Them Cherokees are after me
Flaming spears, burn my ears
But I’m singing a happy song

I’m singing a higgity, haggity hoggety, high
Pioneers, they never say die
Half a mile up the road there’s a hidden cave
And we can watch those Cherokees
Go galloping by

SPOKEN: “Duh, Paw? Are you sure this is the right road?”
“Will you hush up? You and your…….

390622 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #232 of 1914 🔗

I had that as an acrylic 78rpm single with a wind up HMV gramophone record player on which to listen to it and about a dozen others.

I imagine reference to Cherokees will mean Three Wheels On My Wagon is now cancelled.

390700 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #233 of 1914 🔗

The lyrics still work if ‘Cherokees’ refers to the Jeep 4×4 of that name?

390839 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #234 of 1914 🔗

Nope can’t call it that anymore. Rude to native Americans. Same as the Washington Redskins American football team are now just Washington. Snappy.

390926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #235 of 1914 🔗

Washington wanted to keep the
Redskins but it was the major sponsors of their new stadium that threatened to pull out if they didn’t drop it.
Half the teams in the NFL need to change their names as it’s probably classed as offensive to someone.

391756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CapLlam, #236 of 1914 🔗

Yes especially those racist Patriots!

391263 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 3, #237 of 1914 🔗

It was a regular on Junior Choice presented by Ed “Stewpot” Stewart. As was “Puff the Magic Dragon”, which I hated with a passion because it was wet and wimpy and I thought I was tough.

390861 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #238 of 1914 🔗

On yesterday’s walk, we were passed by a car whose driver was masked up, which led to a spontaneous reworking of Madness’s “Driving in my car”

I’ve been driving in my mask
They told me to, I didn’t ask
I gladly bought in to the fear
We don’t want no Covid here

390567 Bella Donna, 45, #239 of 1914 🔗

Hancock can take a hike. My rights as a free woman have been stolen from me and there is no hope in hell of me injecting a chemical into my body with no certainty of getting my freedom back!

390568 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #240 of 1914 🔗

The disappearance of flu strikes me as signifying something very important. The lockdownistas assert it is the result of improved hand washing, social distancing, and other non-pharmaceutical anti-coronavirus interventions. This explanation suffers from the obvious problem that those interventions have not resulted in the disappearance of Covid 19. If the interventions can effectively prevent the transmission of one respiratory viral disease, they would simultaneously prevent the transmission of any other.

So why has flu disappeared? I don’t know, and apparently neither does anyone else. In the absence of any plausible explanation for its disappearance, perhaps it may be wise to assume it has not disappeared. Perhaps, in all the madness around the coronavirus, flu is simply not being noticed, with people generally not presenting to doctors, and when forced to do so due to the severity of their symptoms being misdiagnosed.

There is one implication of this apparent disappearance of flu: flu vaccines for the next flu season are likely to be even less effective than usual as a result of the flu vaccine developers not having access to sample this season’s mutations.

390575 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #241 of 1914 🔗

I assumed the disappearance of flu was due to reduced international travel. The flu season in North and South Hemispheres seeding each other. I don’t know though.

But lockdown will give us a whole host or problems – kids should be mingling and building their resistance. This isn’t natural for body or mind.

390580 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 8, #242 of 1914 🔗

Flu began to disappear globally in January 2020.

390581 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #243 of 1914 🔗

According to a graph posted here some time back, it disappeared completely in March

390584 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #244 of 1914 🔗

interesting – maybe this viruses outcompeting each other theory

390605 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #245 of 1914 🔗

Maybe more rationally, flu is now just renamed as CV 19.

390648 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to FerdIII, 18, #246 of 1914 🔗

Didn’t the Irish doctor (Dolores Cahill?) retest a huge cohort who’d been given positive covid tests results and discover they all actually tested positive for influenza A & B? I think I read that somewhere.

390652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #247 of 1914 🔗

I know she retested some swabs and got that result. Not sure it was a huge number. Anyone have the reference?

390674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to WasSteph, 4, #248 of 1914 🔗
390676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to this is my username, #249 of 1914 🔗

Thanks

390651 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to FerdIII, 12, #250 of 1914 🔗

When people only present to the health system when they are really very unwell, unlike in previous seasons, and then that health system tests and tests and tests until it gets the magic positive result then we can’t trust any numbers.
The struggle I have now is believing the Health Service about anything going forward.
The vaccine may be perfectly safe, but without transparency, how do I know?
We may well still be in a high prevalence phase of the pandemic (I very much doubt it but it could be true), but with all the manipulation of the data, how do I know?
Give me facts, not manipulation and predictions from modelling.

390658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 13, #251 of 1914 🔗

One thing I do know is lockdowns don’t work, are hugely damaging and inhumane. And that is what this site should be focussing on. We are not lockdown sceptics because we surely know enough now to be completely anti-lockdown not just sceptical.

391274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, 5, #252 of 1914 🔗

agreed! I’m not simply questioning the lockdowns, I am fully opposing them. there is nothing they could say which would convince me that I’m wrong. it’s case closed, for me

391214 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #253 of 1914 🔗

look out for the equally mysterious disappearance of cancer, heart disease, strokes, other infectious diseases, getting shot in the face, etc, – soon there will be only 1 cause of death

390577 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #254 of 1914 🔗

To anyone who deals in practical matters or has to make measurements, the obvious answer to why the flu isn’t there is that it hasn’t been recorded properly. Only when you can show that that is not the case can we start looking at other reasons.

And we know from published papers and from government changes to reporting policy that the flu is being ignored or dismissed due to either lack of testing and/or priority of Covid.

390607 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mhcp, 13, #255 of 1914 🔗

Flu is now CV 19? A more likely explanation which explains the death porn and the lack of reported flu deaths.

390649 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mhcp, 7, #256 of 1914 🔗

Exactly! If the symptoms are there, and you test for covid and it’s positive, then you don’t test for flu (which would be the more accurate test!)

390701 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mhcp, 10, #257 of 1914 🔗

Anyone who sneezes or coughs will be diagnosed with Covid. I don’t understand why people refuse to believe our government isn’t corrupt.

391278 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #258 of 1914 🔗

as will anybody who’s been run over by a bus

390578 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Steve Hayes, 32, #259 of 1914 🔗

From reading an article yesterday, flu viruses are of similar size (100 nanometres) to SARs, so anyone using the measures have prevented flu excuse can be easily debunked … but then on the other hand, when did sense and rational thinking prevail.
I note Haddock is ruminating about a normal summer …. if… Of course the sheep will fall for yet another carrot, forgetting the previous broken promises of just three weeks, just until summer, just a circuit breaker, just so we can have a normal Christmas, just until the vaccine arrives, until the vulnerable are vaccinated, until Easter, until summer … will the penny ever drop?

390586 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hattie, 12, #260 of 1914 🔗

Lots of adverts last night showing families enjoying beautiful sandy beaches and crystalline seas in Greece and Turkey. Have the frogs been boiled enough for them to forgo all that for another year?

390614 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Hattie, 9, #261 of 1914 🔗

Will the penny ever drop with MPs?

390706 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bugle, 8, #262 of 1914 🔗

Don’t expect any support from that bunch of oxygen wasters. They’re all looking after their own interests.

391058 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bugle, 2, #263 of 1914 🔗

The penny did drop – £10,000 + to go along with it all. Plus an 11% pay rise?

391610 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #264 of 1914 🔗

And the rest…

391283 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hattie, 11, #265 of 1914 🔗

it is fucking outrageous that 70 million people are hanging eagerly on the promises and assurances of this weasely little man, begging for his gracious permission to live their lives…when will they finally tell him to fuck off

391627 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #266 of 1914 🔗

Jane, I love you!

390582 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #267 of 1914 🔗

If Sars-Cov2 spreads more like a cold then it can just get to the nearly dead club more easily- therefore depriving flu of its natural reservoir (for now)
The elephant in the room is what has happened to Hc0v-Oc43 and the other Coronaviruses

390583 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #268 of 1914 🔗

Looking at the FOI above the line this implies flu is responsible for nearly all the deaths of those without comorbidities that were chalked down to Covid. Explains something. Covid just carries the old, sick and frail over the line. The rest are taken by flu.

390608 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #269 of 1914 🔗

Yes and all deaths from flu-pne-resp now counted as CV.

390696 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #270 of 1914 🔗

It hasn’t disappeared its been reassigned as Covid.

390771 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Steve Hayes, #271 of 1914 🔗

Have a look at Australia’s 2019 flu, very strange.

390824 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #272 of 1914 🔗

Occams Razor.

390854 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #273 of 1914 🔗

I always assumed we were being ironic when we said that ‘flu has “disappeared”. Although we used to say we had either a cold/flu and now people instead say they have covid, the true reality is neither….we have LOTS of respiratory viruses. Some winters some are going to be prevalent than others but none are going anywhere. The reason that most are now categorised as covid is because IT’S THE ONLY WE TEST FOR. Think about it…when did anyone in healthcare ever offer you a test for rhinovirus, respiratory syncytial virus, parainfluenza or influenza, metapneumovirus, other coronaviruses (x6?) adenoviruses, bocaviruses…etc. If we did the same PCR tests for all these endemic viruses then it might finally show the true picture.

390855 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #274 of 1914 🔗

Yes but also it’s been suggested that masks should be worn as protection against flu in the future in certain circumstances. Masks are a weapon of mass stupidity.

391087 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 2, #275 of 1914 🔗

Especially after over 40 real studies, proper studies into masks stopping the spread of Flu not showing ANY effect WHATSOEVER of masking on stopping flu going back to 1910

391208 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #276 of 1914 🔗

oh, flu is just hiding in plain sight

391389 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #277 of 1914 🔗

Flu disappearance is due to it being called covid, simples.

390572 PastImperfect, 32, #278 of 1914 🔗

Con-demic

390585 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 15, #279 of 1914 🔗

Flu has changed its pronoun to Covid-19.

390603 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 10, #280 of 1914 🔗

CV is trans-virus?

390768 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 3, #281 of 1914 🔗

Not Tamiflu but Trannyflu

390588 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #282 of 1914 🔗

Wouldn’t Captain Tom Moore have been vaccinated?

390592 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 14, #283 of 1914 🔗

I think it was said yesterday that he wasn’t ’cause pneumonia; vaccine therefore can’t be blamed if he sadlidies at the tragically early age of 100.

390635 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Annie, 18, #284 of 1914 🔗

No one cared that he had been ill with pneumonia for 3 weeks, until of course one of his incessant PCR tests came back positive. Now he’s in line for the honour of a sadlidied meeja-induced furore.

390695 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBluePill, 13, #285 of 1914 🔗

At 100 years of age he’s lived longer than he should have done. Death happens, I really cannot understand people’s morbid fear of it, it will happen to all of us eventually so why waste what life we have left by cowering in our homes wasting it? It’s sheer lunacy.

390707 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #286 of 1914 🔗

It will be sad when he dies. He seems a very decent chap and we’re running short on those. But as you are all saying, it won’t be a tragedy. The fear mongers would play it for all its worth as if living to 100 was a life cut short!

390819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to WasSteph, 3, #287 of 1914 🔗

IFR from being born is 100%

391275 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to WasSteph, 2, #288 of 1914 🔗

He does seem a decent chap, but he’s become a tool of the media and they’ll use him to push their agenda.

390930 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #289 of 1914 🔗

Agree. The Good Book says that there is a time to be born so ergo there will be a time to die too. Since when did immortality become a human right?

People have forgotten that its the quality of life that matters NOT quantity. Captain Tom has had a good run and if he does meet his Creator then it will be a life well lived not a tragedy.

391042 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 1, #290 of 1914 🔗

yes- with the whole of next week lying still before him!

390589 Cecil B, 3, #291 of 1914 🔗

Ted Bundy has been at it again. The smirking mass killer making more outlandish claims

390590 Tim Bidie, 6, #292 of 1914 🔗

Of course the other major indictment of the management of this Influenza Like Illness season is that, with high PCR test cycle thresholds, the younger age groups testing positive for covid 19 and critically ill are most likely also to be suffering from a strain of influenza, which adversely affects younger age groups.

The critically ill older age groups, the ones adversely affected by covid 19 and other endemic common cold coronaviruses (the real covid 19 patients) due to a shortage of beds and staff due to government interventions, have, in the last few weeks, been given palliative care only as a policy decision.

That is the reason for increased overall all cause mortality of the last few weeks, that ONS figures show have occurred within the more elderly age groups.

Another one for Amnesty International to investigate…….

390593 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #293 of 1914 🔗

If SARS-CoV-2 virus were to vanish suddenly and completely without our knowledge and the linear flow testing were to continue, it could never be proven that it was no longer around. The reason being is the specificity of the LFT is not 100%, it is around 99%, but that means for every 100 tests there can be up to 1 false positives. If there are 1000 tests then up to 10 false positives (could be zero but more likely be non zero). Increase that to 100000 tests then there could be up to 1000 false positives. If the whole human population were tested there would be up to 70 million false positives or the entire population of the U.K..
If a football club of 100 players and staff, is tested twice a week for 12 weeks, I.e. 2500 tests, then during that time there could be up to 25 positive results even though no one is actually infected, matches are postponed for 10 days.
If 1000 hospital staff in one trust are tested twice a week then in one week there could be up to 20 false positives every week.
This is why Ivor Cummins suggests that if a person tests positive then they stay at home for 3 days and repeat the LF test, two positives would suggest infection, but a positive followed by a negative would suggest an initial false positive and no infection.

390602 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to p02099003, #294 of 1914 🔗

Positive test error rate is more like 60%.

390617 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to FerdIII, 7, #295 of 1914 🔗

These figures are based on the specificity from the test manufacturers. The real point is that it makes a nonsense of a zero SARS-CoV-2 policy which now ranks alongside time travel, faster than light travel and a flat Earth.

390634 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to p02099003, #296 of 1914 🔗

Oh, I think we’re more likely to manage warp speed that zero Covid.

392356 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to WasSteph, #297 of 1914 🔗

How about Zero traffic accidents. When I was in the U.S. Army all our styrofoam drinking cups had ‘Zero Defects’ printed on them. That was 1968.

390772 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to p02099003, 3, #298 of 1914 🔗

The Australians and NZ landers are finding that the nearer you get to the speed of light the more energy you require and you can never actually get there unless you have zero mass.

390818 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to p02099003, 2, #299 of 1914 🔗

Time travel is here. Government policy will put the economy back 20-30 years. As for FTL, we would have it already if that denier Einstein hadn’t spread his ‘theory’ that it is impossible. Nowadays he’d be cancelled from his job as a Patent Clerk class 2!

390848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to eastender53, #300 of 1914 🔗

Oh no its better than that. Back to medieval times. All trapped in country and work is done on your farm (laptop) so you never leave your town. You only do what your serf king Lord Handjob says you can do

390596 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 11, #301 of 1914 🔗

presented without comment

390601 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #302 of 1914 🔗

True Covidian religious piety. Triple Diaper. But only Priests can triple diaper. Does this man have the proper Covidian religious training and confirmation?

390965 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #303 of 1914 🔗

Is that one for each chin?

392358 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #304 of 1914 🔗

That mask would be perfect for Rachel Levine, Biden’s new Health Secretary.

390600 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 9, #305 of 1914 🔗

Above the line. March to June 2020. 4500 died from and due only to CV 19. The same from the normal flu-pneum-respiratory?.

Normally, past 5 yrs, 1200-1500 die a week from flu-pneu-resp each year in March, up to end of April dropping to about 800-900 by June.

So they want you to believe that the usual dead count from flu etc March 1 to June 30th, which is usually +/- 18 K or more; is now down to 4.5 K? [60-70 K die a year from flu etc every single year or roughly 5-6 k a month; roughly 200 a day even during the summer.]

This was before the diapers; extended LDs and complete shutdown of your world.

So let me guess where the 15 K dead from the normal flu etc March to June 2020 went? Right into the CV 19 category?

This is an outrageous data fraud.
Tell me again why the flu has disappeared and CV flourishes?

390611 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to FerdIII, 14, #306 of 1914 🔗

March to June is outside the normal flu season so a goodly number of the excess deaths in that huge April spike were likely more to do with the removal of care from the frail elderly combined with dumping the Covid-infected into care homes and high pollution in April in the SE. The latter may have been heavily implicated in a lot of the Lombardy deaths back in February – Swiss Doctor had a good map of the time showing this.

390615 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #307 of 1914 🔗

Agree and not just CV but flu in general or infectious disease in general, moving the sick from the hospital to unprepared nursing homes. 8-10.000 dead from that policy. Used to be called murder.

390619 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to FerdIII, 9, #308 of 1914 🔗

Let’s be kind and call it manslaughter and malfeasance in public office.

390659 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #309 of 1914 🔗

I don’t really mind what it’s called, I just want the perpetrators brought to justice and sooner rather than later.

390704 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #310 of 1914 🔗

So likely non covid excess death at home. PHE data for march 2020 to jan 2021 show 34,364 excess deaths at home of which only 12% were attributed to covid.

391982 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #311 of 1914 🔗

Indeed. Which is why the respiratory deaths graph on the CEBM site, dated 29 September 2020, showed no spike for April/May.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/summary-of-the-ons-report-on-deaths-registered-weekly-in-england-and-wales-29nd-september/

390624 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 4, #312 of 1914 🔗

To be fair they did tell us in advance they they were going to do this.
A surprisingly large proportion of the population are aware.

We are to believe that
A. Flu has disappeared because of masks, social distancing and lockdown
B. Covid (inc mutants) is rife because we are not doing enough masking, lockdown and social distancing.

390671 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to karenovirus, 5, #313 of 1914 🔗

Flu has also ‘disappeared’ in Sweden and Belarus – so these measures cannot be the cause.

Howver, in Cambodia sith only a few hundred covid ‘cases’ – and no deaths – flu has continued.

Work that one out.

390975 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, 1, #314 of 1914 🔗

I had heard that about Cambodia but could not recal the source.

390620 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #315 of 1914 🔗

I’m sick of the prejudice

If the flu virus wants to realign itself as Covid 19 then in these more enlightened times it must be allowed to do so

Who are we to say what it should call itself? It must be free to live the life it wants without fear of ridicule

Some people need to address their transphobia, and yes I mean you at the back

390738 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #316 of 1914 🔗

You sound like Titania McGrath.

390851 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 1, #317 of 1914 🔗

And it probably hates womxn too.

392359 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Spikedee1, #318 of 1914 🔗

Awomen.

390625 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #319 of 1914 🔗

There was a report from the IPPR that ‘austerity’ killed 130,000 people

https://www.ippr.org/files/2019-06/public-health-and-prevention-june19.pdf#page=8

“Had the trend from 1990 and 2012 continued, we estimate that there could have been 130,000 deaths averted between 2012 and 2017.”

This was widely reported by ‘anti-austerity’ media such as the BBC and Guardian.

Well, we have a lot of austerity coming which I don’t think SAGE are factoring into their ‘cost/benefit’ analysis

390626 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 4, #320 of 1914 🔗

If you are in a group called SPI-M that just does modelling I guess it is hard to look up from your monitor and see all the empirical evidence and actual hard data out there in the real 3D world. Maybe there ought to be an SPI-R that does this. Membership comes with a free plane ticket to Stockholm.

390865 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #321 of 1914 🔗

Why would an endemic virus that did absolutely nothing last summer, suddenly become aggressive and a pandemic this year. Does your stupid model take into account actuals from the whole of Europe? You know where levels dropped for every country in summer? Did you take into account immunity in the population this time? Are we allowed to see this report so some grown ups can analyse your data. What a great job, whatever you say us right and nothing is ever challenged.

390690 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #323 of 1914 🔗

At least they are putting up a protest? What’s happening here and where can we join in…..?

390829 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Raquel, 6, #324 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think there will be any major protests here until furlough stops.

390750 ▶▶ dali, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #325 of 1914 🔗

Belgium too, although difficult to find out about the protests.

390813 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #326 of 1914 🔗

The first European country that takes a deep breath and opens fully with no restrictions, all welcome, will clean up economically. Would any dare?

390963 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fiona Walker, #327 of 1914 🔗

Does the IOM count ?

391270 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to arfurmo, #328 of 1914 🔗

The “all welcome” criteria might be a bit hard to meet, the borders are closed to us sadly.

390628 Albo1, 1, #329 of 1914 🔗
390629 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 28, #330 of 1914 🔗

So the “scientists” say we can’t open pubs before May without risking a third wave. Where is the evidence that pubs had anything to do with transmission?
Also, the current Secretary of State for Health is saying we can’t have a great British Summer but he expects all adults to have been vaccinated. Well, that isn’t happening as those of us on here know.
So what next?

390632 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WasSteph, 11, #331 of 1914 🔗

The question I would like to ask SAGE is did we even have a second wave or did they simply make it up?

390637 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #332 of 1914 🔗

Flu was on its 6000th wave until SAGE put it to the sword this year. I think they mean second season of an endemic disease.

390633 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to WasSteph, 13, #333 of 1914 🔗

Steph, please stop using their language.There was no second wave. What’s happening now are deaths from vaccines and so-called collateral issues.

390667 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bungle, 3, #334 of 1914 🔗

I said that’s what they say. I didn’t say it myself, nor would I as I know we had the seasonal spike of endemic respiratory infections. Some of them will have been Covid but with the test until you find the false positive, we will never really know the numbers.

390644 ▶▶ isobar, replying to WasSteph, 17, #335 of 1914 🔗

From what I remember, there is little evidence that the hospitality sector contributed greatly to infections. I think that the reason for keeping the pubs shut is, as some have previously suggested, to prevent discussion amongst people as to the need for lockdowns. Sadly though, pubs reopening may be academic as I doubt if some pubs will reopen at all. One that I used to frequent on a regular basis is all boarded up.

390654 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to isobar, 13, #336 of 1914 🔗

I used to live in Scotland and witnessed the Wile E Coyote like attempts by the Scottish Government to regulate the sale of alcohol. Nothing worked but it didn’t stop deranged MSPs from putting forward proposals no matter how bonkers and unworkable they were.

This crisis is a wet dream for the puritans and middle class do gooders because it deprives the ordinary Joe especially the working Joe of an outlet to relax at the end of a working day. But of course they have no problems with their darling Tarquin and Jacinta getting hammered whilst at uni because its “experience.”

392364 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #337 of 1914 🔗

Public Health is a Puritan Revolution. Put them on a boat and send them to America. It worked the first time.

390681 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to isobar, 7, #338 of 1914 🔗

Likewise hairdressers!

390684 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to isobar, 17, #339 of 1914 🔗

Indeed. The really ‘infectious’ things in the hospitality industry are ideas/thoughts/information and *they* don’t want that. That’s why we’ve been targeted – because we do not believe and we have to be controlled. It has absolutely eff all to do with ‘public health’.

390798 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to isobar, 11, #340 of 1914 🔗

There is a (not so) hidden prohibition agenda here. Sridhar in Scotland is quite open about her desire to ban alcohol. Drakeford is clearly warm to the idea and no doubt there are puritanical elements in the English political establishment.

There are significant health issues associated with excess alcohol consumption, yet apparently these are ignored when that consumption is fuelled by pointless lockdown home confinement. Social alcohol consumption is an important factor in many people’s lives.

if any political party wishes, as is it’s right, to enact any form of prohibition then let it state that clearly in it’s manifesto. Of course none will. Rather they will sit sipping their 20 year old malt planning how to stop Joe Public enjoying a beer after work.

390834 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to eastender53, 16, #341 of 1914 🔗

Pubs are also dangerous because they encourage people to talk to others, who may have differing opinions, in a respectful manner. It is much harder to divide and rule a population who respect the opinion of others even if they don’t share that opinion. Social media is a politicians wet dream because it is all about conflict and entrenched, unwavering views.

391094 ▶▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to eastender53, 4, #342 of 1914 🔗

Quite agree.In fact if you want to encourage damaging alcohol dependance then confining people to home is a great way to start, nicely increasing unhealthy eating and immune system depression in one go as well!
Utter madness

391106 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to eastender53, 6, #343 of 1914 🔗

The entire fabric of British social life revolves around alcohol.Everything is an excuse for a piss up.The war against the hospitality sector is a strategy to keep people apart while they implement their plans.

390911 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to isobar, 3, #344 of 1914 🔗

don’t forget to add to that – it’s also the first phase in the drive to destroy small businesses [in the future there will be only the oligarchy of the MNCs] and a means of crushing people’s spirits, their will to live

391078 ▶▶▶ Clancloch, replying to isobar, 4, #345 of 1914 🔗

And of course the sad fact is that a large amount of hospitality businesses are unviable if the number restrictions and gen Covid proof adaptations are still in place.
I myself supported some locals almost through a sense of duty as the staff are lovely people and they are independently owned – I dislike chains intensely. But on all sides the’Craic’ wasn’t great alas.
I’ve heard rumours that there have been out of court settlements Inc NDA ‘s for staff having respiratory problems after being forced to wear masks for long shifts. Would love to know more about that if indeed true.
MSM full of distractions this morning. Most hilarious is article in the I attacking Russia and Belarus for its lack of democracy, and what the West should do about it, while not appreciating the fact that although there are most def things to dislike about those regimes (and as an ex partner of mine was Russian I am no fan of the gangster Putin) the populace has more things approaching a normal life than here!

390669 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 3, #346 of 1914 🔗

Typo. He actually said we could have a great British Summer. I don’t believe he really intends us to but perhaps we’ll just take it anyway?

390693 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to WasSteph, 8, #347 of 1914 🔗

The ‘scientist’ in this case who is first author on the report was interviewed on Sky. He has just completed his PhD, needs to attend to his personal grooming, and as has been pointed out (Telegraph poster) needs to be told that the 25% who are not vaccinated have a miniscule risk of having serious symptoms, let alone death. Impossible therefore after the first four groups have been vaccinated – assuming the vaccine ‘works’ – to have a third wave where daily deaths exceed the highest day recorded in January, when we are in the middle of the respiratory disease season and the most vulnerable who have died would not have been vaccinated.

390726 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to WasSteph, 5, #348 of 1914 🔗

What pubs..I know of 3 pubs in my area of Lo ndon that will never reopen. By May there will be hardly anything left to reopen..and BTW you will probably need Health passport to visit the ones left.

390806 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #349 of 1914 🔗

When the pubs have gone expect the banning of alcohol sales in supermarkets.

390850 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to eastender53, 5, #350 of 1914 🔗

More likely the jacking up of alcohol taxes

391130 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to WasSteph, 5, #351 of 1914 🔗

Going on the STUPID track ‘n’trace app, hospitality (pubs & restaurants) accounted for something like 1% of known “transmissions” of the Rona. Obviously all bollocks but even then, a patheticly small number.

The reason pubs are shut is to stop us talking to each other.

392362 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to WasSteph, #352 of 1914 🔗

Tell him to take a hike.

390630 isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #353 of 1914 🔗

SAGE at it again to get masks worn outside to beat the ‘Kent variant’. Ominously article says that a communication strategy is being worked out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9208455/Ministers-urge-people-wear-facemasks-outdoor-areas-SAGE-experts-say.html

390686 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to isobar, 30, #354 of 1914 🔗

I cannot, I will not consent to this utter madness….masks mandated outside. The anger I feel quietly courses through me meanwhile all my ‘friends’ accept all the covid policies without question. Psychological Coercion is now unfettered and unlimited……and the majority still accept without a whimper……they do indeed love their chains……

390698 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Raquel, 13, #355 of 1914 🔗

Me neither. Interestingly though, I think that am right in saying that the headline has been subtly changed to Parks and Crowded Places. My impression is that this was a typical ‘run it up the flagpole and see who salutes it’ exercise. I think that the DM was stung by the negative comments of readers, hence the toning down.

390756 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to isobar, 4, #356 of 1914 🔗

Does anyone have a copy of the SAGE recommendations about this – they said there was no point? Goes back to some minutes that were issued late summer.

391080 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, 1, #357 of 1914 🔗

I think this could be the spark similar to the curfew in Holland for mass civil disobedience.I will never wear a mask in the open air.

390631 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 11, #358 of 1914 🔗

Is the ABL stuff now written by Neil O’Brien? You keep extolling vaccines and talk about cases, something that don’t exist, and there is little about positive steps for people to take.

390638 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bungle, #359 of 1914 🔗

ABL ?

390639 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #360 of 1914 🔗

All Bloody Lies

391140 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, #361 of 1914 🔗

ABL=Above The Line
BTL=Below The Line

391567 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Two-Six, 2, #362 of 1914 🔗

Should be ATL and not ABL.

390645 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bungle, 3, #363 of 1914 🔗

Jonathan Barr continually shills the vaccines.

390640 swedenborg, 20, #364 of 1914 🔗

Remind on the little boy in HC Andersen story. The obvious truth

http://www.theblogmire.com/the-largest-experiment-on-humans-ever-seen/

“Which is the more reasonable approach a society might take in the outbreak of epidemic:
To quarantine the sick, and take reasonable precautions to stop those who are identified as vulnerable from contracting the illness.
To attempt to “control the virus” by preventing millions of healthy people from having contact with other healthy people.
To any society prior to 2020, it would have been obvious that the first approach is not only logical and proportionate, but the one least likely to have other unintended and highly destructive consequences. However, to my continued astonishment, many in our society not only believe that the answer is the second, but they somehow believe it to be based on established science.”

390643 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #365 of 1914 🔗

We are the Radio Luxemburg of the covid world

390899 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cecil B, 1, #366 of 1914 🔗

I absolutely love that! I’ve said it before but thank you for making me chuckle on a daily basis.

392369 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, #367 of 1914 🔗

I created a marathon radio show seven years ago that included jingles and excerpts from Radio Luxembourg, Caroline, Mi Amigo, etc to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Pirate Radio. Over 300 gigabytes of audio files. About 7 months of nonstop music, 24 hours a day.

390647 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 34, #368 of 1914 🔗

Last Saturday Mr Bart & mine’s weekend exercise took us along the Royal Parks along Central London. Despite the drizzle, there was a fair number of people no doubt fed up with being cooped up at home and nowhere else to go.

As we reached Hyde Park, we were surprised that we counted 4 police mini vans with 7-8 police officers each just driving around aimlessly.

Why in the name of God do they need 4 vans with 28 police officers? It’s a big park and open space!!!

The more I think about this the angrier I get and I had the temptation to go up to them and ask them what they were doing and shouldn’t they be somewhere else like Tottenham? Brent? Brixton? You know, areas with high crime? Go after REAL criminals?

Is it because its easy to gaslight middle class people than it is people in deprived areas?

The police time and again have used “cuts” and “staffing numbers” as an excuse to say why they’ve not dealt with knife crime, theft, assault, domestic violence and anti-social behaviour. This clearly demonstrates they have the money and resources so the next time they bleat about “cuts” and “poverty” they should be told in no uncertain terms that they should take a hike.

390668 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #369 of 1914 🔗

They have a rule of 8? Favouritism.

390687 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #370 of 1914 🔗

Maybe people should have turned around and asked why were they not following regulations.

390777 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #371 of 1914 🔗

As we reached Hyde Park, we were surprised that we counted 4 police mini vans with 7-8 police officers each just driving around aimlessly.

how can people think this is normal? how did we get here? it just blows my mind

390836 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #372 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. And why are they not questioning why they’re there in the first place.

390650 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 8, #373 of 1914 🔗

NEW PODCAST OUT NOW! 🚀

This one is a cracker! Unfortunately the link in the round up is to last week’s pod! 😂

Ep18 ‘Politics, Science, Europe and Hope’

Politicians persecute scientists. Carl Heneghan vs NOBrien TOP TRUMPS!

Eu CV & the vaccine rollout.

UK Progress.

Soviet Russia & how we could be repeating the repressive mistakes of the past. SUB & rate us on itunes! 👇 👇 👇

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7584277-ep-18-politics-science-europe-and-hope

390656 isobar, replying to isobar, 16, #374 of 1914 🔗

Shocking report in the DM about the long term impact of school closures on future earning potential https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9208237/Covids-lost-generation-Devastating-report-lays-bare-350bn-toll-children.html

390725 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 15, #375 of 1914 🔗

Yes, most children will never ‘catch up’ on their education, social interaction and even some sporting activities.

All these donated laptops will not improve learning – it’s a red herring

OPEN SCHOOLS NOW

390749 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 3, #376 of 1914 🔗

The children with the well off parents with the sharp elbows will be fine. I expect a campaign to hobble the private schools led by the hypocrites who discover Catholicism or move to the correct postcode yet condemn the elitism of private education.

390864 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, 2, #377 of 1914 🔗

The children with the well off parents with the sharp elbows will be fine.

… only partly on the academic side, but they are also losing out on the other aspects.

Yes sadly the private schools will be attacked again because that is the only way that the government can try to hide their inability to fix the government schools.

At the nearby private school, 30% of the pupils have special learning needs – these children struggled in the government schools and did not get the required support. Even children without special learning needs do not get the attention and support that they need in government schools.

Just think if all this money that is being wasted by these draconian lockdown measures could have been pumped into schools and a well functioning healthcare system.

So Johnson last week promised millions of Pounds for Education. Wonder what they will spend that on and if it will make any difference? OR maybe just chucked into a big bottomless pit…….

390948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 2, #378 of 1914 🔗

I suspect that even the private schools will be overwhelmed by having to patch up whatever psychological damage that even kids with well off parents will have incurred because of this lockdown.

Kids regardless of socioeconmic status have lost massively and they will be carrying whatever damage this has caused them for the rest of their lives.

391562 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Victoria, 1, #379 of 1914 🔗

I reckon all those donated laptops are the equivalent of the collection of iron railings during WW2 to “aid the fight against the enemy”.

https://www.londongardenstrust.org/features/railings3.htm

390657 NickR, replying to NickR, 1, #380 of 1914 🔗

About 30% of UK deaths are from cancer, far higher than caused by Covid. There are lots of NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions) that can be done, easily & cheaply to reduce cancer deaths.
Conversely, the NPIs we have taken to reduce Covid deaths have been ruinously expensive in terms of economic and health outcomes.
Approximately 42 percent of cancer cases and 45 percent of cancer deaths in the United States are linked to lifestyle related risk factors including excess weight, poor diet and physical inactivity, I don’t suppose it’s very different in the UK.
Mapping Risks Factors to Cancer Types
The study detailed the extent to which each risk factor contributed to each cancer type
Cigarette smoking was linked to 81.7% of lung cancers
73.8% of laryngeal cancers
50% of esophageal cancers
46.9% of bladder cancers
Excess body weight was linked to 60.3% of uterine cancers
about one-third of liver cancers (33.9%)
11.3% of breast cancers in women
5.2% of colorectal cancers
Drinking alcohol was linked to almost one-half of oral cavity and pharyngeal cancers in men (46.3%) and one-fourth (27.4%) in women
24.8% of liver cancers in men and 11.9% in women
17.1% of colorectal cancers in men and 8.1% in women
6.4% of breast cancers in women
Eating red and processed meat was linked to 5.4% and 8.2% of colorectal cancers, respectively
Diet low in fruits and vegetables was linked to 17.6% of oral cavity/pharyngeal cancers
17.4% of laryngeal cancers
8.9% of lung cancers
Low dietary calcium was linked to 4.9% of colorectal cases
Low dietary fiber was linked to 10.3% of colorectal cancer cases
Physical inactivity was linked to 26.7% of uterine cancers
16.3% of colorectal cancers
3.9% of female breast cancers
HPV infection was linked to All cervical cancers
88.2% of anal cancers
64.6% of vaginal cancers
UV radiation from the sun or indoor tanning was linked to 96.0% of melanomas of the skin in men
93.7% of melanomas of the skin in women

https://www.aicr.org/news/new-study-links-cancer-and-cancer-deaths-to-lifestyle-factors/#:~:text=Approximately%2042%20percent%20of%20cancer,a%20study%20released%20last%20week .

390811 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to NickR, 3, #381 of 1914 🔗

Nothing is done about prevention as cancer is now one of the most lucrative businesses in the world. They cannot afford to let cancer rates drop. I worked in oncology which is why I refused chemo etc when I was diagnosed.

391557 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Mutineer, #382 of 1914 🔗

As I have said before on here – if you were to discover a cheap, effective cure for cancer you would be found naked and dead inside a zipped up holdall within 24 hours

390660 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #385 of 1914 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jan/10/does-vitamin-d-combat-covid

I’m not normally a Guardian reader but every now and again they do have sensible articles.

390717 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bella Donna, #386 of 1914 🔗

Heads will roll!

390730 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to iane, 2, #387 of 1914 🔗

Yes, our heads!

390740 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #388 of 1914 🔗

Meanwhile the gov are telling people not to get a sun tan

390802 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #389 of 1914 🔗

High levels of Vitamin D is all protective for developing cancer even skin cancer

390662 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #390 of 1914 🔗
390666 ▶▶ Basics, replying to rockoman, 6, #391 of 1914 🔗

So, how to you police double masks. Won’t one mask hide the other, or am I thick?

390670 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, 6, #392 of 1914 🔗

They check behind your ears for two sets of straps? Lunacy. But then the whole thing is.

390673 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #393 of 1914 🔗

But I’m wearing a hat. Plus my mask is double thickness hung of two straps only – it’s a deluxe model.

390685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, 11, #394 of 1914 🔗

I lost my ears in a freak shaving accident. How am I meant to wear one mask let alone two?

390714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #395 of 1914 🔗

Just use super-glue, d’oh!

390672 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to rockoman, 6, #396 of 1914 🔗

Where’s the evidence that 2 masks are effective? Double the contamination…..it’s Ridiculous.

390675 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Raquel, 3, #397 of 1914 🔗

Ah, more is better is the American dream?

390710 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Raquel, 5, #398 of 1914 🔗

Evidence? Fauci said it just makes sense.

390677 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to rockoman, 12, #399 of 1914 🔗

Obviously those politicians who are benefiting from mask wearers are greedy for more. The answer is to say No. Haven’t people woken up to the fact with bullies you need to take a stand or they’ll make your lives a living hell.

390796 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #400 of 1914 🔗

So true. More money to line their pockets with lucrative contracts

392375 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to rockoman, #401 of 1914 🔗

CDC. Another unelected organization, like the W.H.O., World Bank, IMF, United Nations etc. They are all linked. All of them. That includes the WEF, Bill and Melinda, blah blah blah, Johns Hopkins, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, Pfizer …

390678 rockoman, 5, #402 of 1914 🔗

“Even the Robert Koch Institute and other health authorities cannot present decisive proof that a new virus named SARS-CoV-2 is haunting us. This alone turns the talk of dangerous viral mutations into irresponsible fearmongering and the so-called SARS-CoV-2 PCR tests definitely into a worthless venture.”

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/31/phantom-virus-in-search-of-sars-cov-2/

390682 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #403 of 1914 🔗

Trainspotting 2021

Choose life
Choose breathing
Choose telling the Stasi to fuck off
Choose restaurants
Choose death rather than slavery
Choose fresh air
Choose the pub
Choose family
Choose walking
Choose fines
Choose holidays
Choose grandchildren
Choose puking over Matt Hancock
Choose cafes
Choose the baton
Choose cinemas
Choose grandparents
Choose extermination before masks

Choose anything, but don’t choose lockdown

391589 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Cecil B, 1, #404 of 1914 🔗

Was just thinking about rejigging the Trainspotting monologue to fit 2020/21. Brilliant!

390692 alw, replying to alw, 37, #405 of 1914 🔗

https://gab.com/RealRedElephants/posts/105652359538175798

The science has been settled for a long time.

Masks do absolutely NOTHING to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses. They force us to wear them to make people “feel safe.”

The vast majority of the science also shows very clearly that lockdowns are ineffective, and potentially ten times more deadly than the virus itself in terms of life years…

The data show a deadly combination of EXPONENTIALLY increased suicides, drug overdose, homicide, alcohol consumption, calorie consumption, delayed cancer screening, spousal abuse, tuberculosis, and more occurred during this lockdown. Together, this outweighs deaths from COVID.

According to all available data, the virus itself has an infection fatality rate that is either equivalent to, or far less than the influenza for most age groups…

Furthermore, according to CDC data, 96% of all of the deaths from the virus have comorbidities including influenza. The co-infection rate also seems to be high…

At the beginning of the year, we were told by Dr Fauci that America would be facing the deadliest flu season in decades. It appears this season never came? The last very deadly influenza season killed almost 100,000 people.

This year, there have been basically zero flu deaths. Why? Because they’re registered as Covid deaths.

In 2018 the flu was so bad, hospitals were treating patients in tents.

No lockdown was ever considered at all, despite tens of thousands of deaths.

Yet, they have forced us to lock down for almost A YEAR, because the mega corporations, monopolies, and Wall Street billionaires financially benefit to the tune of trillions of dollars. The greatest wealth transfer in the history of America has occurred because of this.

Billionaires make appearances on corporate media telling people to be extremely afraid, and that we most shut down, because they benefit from the lockdown which cuts out their competition and helps them further monopolize.

Then they make appearances on the same corporate media outlets they used to push for lockdowns, to short brick and mortar stores even further into the ground; by telling people those stocks are going to tank.

The hundreds of virologists, infectious disease experts, scientists, economists, and doctors who have talked about this—pushing back against the mainstream narrative— have been shut out of the conversation by big tech, big media, and mega corporations.

Why?

Because their narrative—which is the scientifically correct one—interferes with the historic financial gain of Wall Street and mega corporations we’ve observed.

Many people acknowledge our healthcare system is corrupt—only out to make money at our expense—yet buy into all of what our healthcare and corporate system sells then about COVID. Even though it‘s proven there’s potential financial gain for listing a patient as COVID positive.

390776 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to alw, 2, #406 of 1914 🔗

In the UK, they also make money from the ’emergency CV’ budgets from the Hindoo’s magic money machine. So the incentive is to Covid everything. I asked under FOI and they (NHS) will direct you to a hospital (ie you must specifically ask a local hospital if they make more money from CV claims). They of course would not give me the information (they refer you back under FOI to the NHS…..). But there are billions at stake, same for nursing homes. I have read £1 K to £2 K on average per CV incident and death.

390694 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #407 of 1914 🔗

Run as many hares as you can

Today: Outdoor masks

390697 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #408 of 1914 🔗

Cue a further tsunami of fear porn advertising to keep the press on board.

390711 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #409 of 1914 🔗

This is great for all the essential workers, already having to wear masks most of the day. When they finish their shift, wear do they go to get a breather?

390716 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #410 of 1914 🔗

A caring employer will provide a staff oxygen tent for tea breaks.

390810 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Cecil B, 4, #411 of 1914 🔗

Shopping this morning I looked up to see a couple of window cleaners dangling on a rope doing the 4th floor windows and not wearing masks outdoors!!! Think of the risk!!

390699 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #412 of 1914 🔗

Thoughts on todays update..

Forget health passports, we can look forward to the NHS app. All your health data in one place. Coming soon from the people who regularly fuck up everything they touch. The cost? A mere £500 billion.

Should’ve listened to the nice Greek man

US infections started falling straight after ole’ sniffy flew in

Ain’t using womxn, as I can’t say it

390721 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #413 of 1914 🔗

I’m not sure I’d want to get my tongue round that.

390745 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #414 of 1914 🔗

Ffnnarr

390702 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #415 of 1914 🔗

Does anyone have any news on Biden’s plan to use 600m vaccine doses to inject 300 Americans? https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko

390709 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #416 of 1914 🔗

Son of God approach in reverse!

390731 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #417 of 1914 🔗

He is following in the well trodden footsteps of ex-South African president Jacob Zuma. Numbers weren’t his strong point either.

390967 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #418 of 1914 🔗

Kamalatoe will give a BJ for every vaxx delivered

390703 alw, replying to alw, 13, #419 of 1914 🔗

Council overreach in London.

Speaking with the school governor of a state secondary school in London who told me that before they could see and meet with the headteacher they had to have lateral flow tests. This test was administered by a council worker who had been diverted from their normal post in recycling to administer the tests. Apparently the council has re-commissioned many of its staff to do this .
The governor also remarked that the school had lots of tests which had not been used on young people. I believe that once all the necessary staff have been trained. Boris will announce that they can go back to school provided they have been tested. For me irrespective of Gillick competence, just raises enormous ethical and moral issues. Testing at many of the country’s universities have shown that young people have very low incidences the virus… single figures in an entire population. I despair at parents who are allowing this destruction to take place before their very eyes.

Another council has taped off benches in a small local park. Thankfully the locals have removed the tape.

390729 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to alw, 5, #420 of 1914 🔗

The virus is transmitted through your trouser seat. Hence the need for anal swabs.

390779 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 1, #421 of 1914 🔗

Hence the call for triple layers of underwear and recruitment of Compliance Marshals.

390805 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to karenovirus, 6, #422 of 1914 🔗

I can’t be arsed (as it were) to post the Viz Bottom Inspectors episode link again to this comment, so consider it posted!

390784 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 1, #423 of 1914 🔗

The gays will be cock-a-hoop

390780 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 2, #424 of 1914 🔗

I heard that the reason why the government on short notice closed schools was because of the backlash they had from headteachers and parents re the tests on children at school.

Hopefully headteachers and parents will continue to fight this

390799 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Victoria, 1, #425 of 1914 🔗

I fear headteachers in State schools are too unionised to stand up to this testing nonsense.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-the-cruelty-is-the-point/

390708 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 25, #426 of 1914 🔗

Can anyone work out the play now?

For me, it was always about coercing people into taking the vaccine for a return to freedom. Now they won’t have a return to freedom due to variants.

Are they just pushing their luck because the populatrion has been soo compliant? Is the game now just to take as much as possible?

Surely even the vaccinated will feel they’ve been had?

390727 ▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 22, #427 of 1914 🔗

That’s a hard one! We were told that vaccines were the ‘light at the end of the tunnel’, now it would seem that there is an endless proliferation of different tunnels. My own feeling is that our useless government has backed itself into a corner (aided and abetted by SAGE) and doesn’t really know how to get of it.

390791 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to isobar, 8, #428 of 1914 🔗

Their orders are to trash the economy and they’re following them

390757 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 19, #429 of 1914 🔗

They probably can’t believe their luck at how they were able to fool the populace. Not only those who aren’t well educated in the conventional sense or gullible millenials but even those who have postgraduate degrees, PhDs and loads of initials after their names were taken along for the ride.

390767 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #430 of 1914 🔗

“Are they just pushing their luck because the populatrion has been soo compliant? Is the game now just to take as much as possible?”

I think that’s it.

390800 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to this is my username, 11, #431 of 1914 🔗

Just a thought on the compliance with lockdown and the British public – it’s cold, wet, miserable outside and everything apart from supermarkets are shut – where would we be going anyway?

390958 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to jos, 8, #432 of 1914 🔗

Pubs, friends houses, clothes shops, shoe shops, restaurants, gyms. People don’t stay in in the winter. As it is, we see people are meeting for coffee outdoors, or walking together – in fact anything to meet up. Such is the need for company.

390976 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to this is my username, 2, #433 of 1914 🔗

No – obviously I know what I’d be doing if lockdown hadn’t happened- what I mean is where do the people who think we are being compliant by staying inside expect us to be now with everything worth leaving the house for having been taken from us? We’re not cowering indoors in fear – we’re hibernating until someone has a better offer..

390778 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #434 of 1914 🔗

There are two options that I can see, either:

1 There are really deadly mutant strains, that are vaccine aware

2 We have a bunch of useless, unsafe, poorly documented vaccines that most of the worlds elites have got behind and are now up shits creek without a paddle.

390816 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #435 of 1914 🔗

2

390886 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #436 of 1914 🔗

I think the answer might be 2 posh. Did I win the holiday in Spain? Oh bollocks!

390998 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #437 of 1914 🔗

I can only surmise they are totally lost now. The vaccine has (despite them being told this) not been the cure all they expected. The idiotic “cases” have not plummeted despite them closing what sage said were virus vectors ie schools and pubs. Hospital admissions have dropped but they KNOW none of these are from covid. We are now locked down to air travel in and out the country. Despite all the fear mongering and propaganda the population are not doing hard lockdown. They KNOW this by mobile phone movement data. Deaths are just normal for winter and the nhs being overwhelmed has not happened.

So how do they get out? Sage will keep screaming their unscientific and fearful data. You have created a zero covid secure monster. How do you switch it off? Your covid zealots are king, how do you shut them up? From these news stories there can only be one outcome. Lockdown till summer. If the million people on furlough realise they no longer have a job that might create a ripple but I doubt it.

In December the talk was all positive, but its changed and we are back to doom and gloom? Why, what happened? Cases down, hospitalisation down, deaths down, but still locked down. Just feel they are not brave enough to take the decision. Other countries opening might help? I think they are lost, probably fatally injured by all the flip flopping they have done.

391065 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #438 of 1914 🔗

The play was always vaccine tied to digital passport.Added to digital currency it is the end of freedom.

391131 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, #439 of 1914 🔗

It’s just bizarre that they are not jumping on this vaccine then as the answer. Or does the mutant virus allow them opprtunity to stall for time.

391222 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to JHUNTZ, #440 of 1914 🔗

No such mutant virus. Never been shown to exist by any data or science.

392378 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JHUNTZ, #441 of 1914 🔗

They are always looking for any excuse to stall for time.

390713 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #442 of 1914 🔗

David Kurten

24 die in Basingstoke care home after being injected with a ‘Covid vaccine’. Government officials have stated that the ‘Covid vaccine’ is not responsible.
I will not be taking a ‘Covid vaccine’.

https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1356120536569536512?s=20

Links to a DM article about the carehome deaths.

390746 ▶▶ alw, replying to Basics, 10, #443 of 1914 🔗

A small home in London with 16 residents all had their first jab and five have subsequently tested positive for the virus but fortunately have not become ill. Believe this is happening all over the country but the news is being suppressed.

390752 ▶▶ Felice, replying to Basics, 6, #444 of 1914 🔗

My suspicion is that it is the jabbing team that is bringing the virus into these homes.
What is the probability that one of the team has the virus? Not impossible. Then that person gets up close to all those frail vulnerable residents, leans over them, breathes all over them in that hot stuffy atmosphere that all homes have. The residents dont stand a chance.
It’s also possible that a few of the residents will also succumb to the jab itself, if they suffer severe side effects like high temps.

390790 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 11, #445 of 1914 🔗

The government will always fight any link between a vaccine and a death.

During the swine flu outbreak, the vaccine resulted in over 90 children getting narcolepsy which is permanent brain damage (centre in brain that controls sleep). The government fought claims for compensation for many years and only agreed to settle after massive public outcry.

390715 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #447 of 1914 🔗

About 30% of UK deaths are from cancer, far higher than caused by Covid. There are lots of NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions) that can be done, easily & cheaply to reduce cancer deaths.
Conversely, the NPIs we have taken to reduce Covid deaths have been ruinously expensive in terms of economic and health outcomes.
Approximately 42 percent of cancer cases and 45 percent of cancer deaths in the United States are linked to lifestyle related risk factors including excess weight, poor diet and physical inactivity.

Mapping Risks Factors to Cancer Types
The study detailed the extent to which each risk factor contributed to each cancer type

Cigarette smoking was linked to –
81.7% of lung cancers
73.8% of laryngeal cancers
50% of esophageal cancers
46.9% of bladder cancers

Excess body weight was linked to
60.3% of uterine cancers
about one-third of liver cancers (33.9%)
11.3% of breast cancers in women
5.2% of colorectal cancers

Drinking alcohol was linked to
almost one-half of oral cavity and pharyngeal cancers in men (46.3%) and one-fourth (27.4%) in women
24.8% of liver cancers in men and 11.9% in women
17.1% of colorectal cancers in men and 8.1% in women
6.4% of breast cancers in women

Eating red and processed meat was linked to
5.4% and 8.2% of colorectal cancers, respectively

Diet low in fruits and vegetables was linked to
17.6% of oral cavity/pharyngeal cancers
17.4% of laryngeal cancers
8.9% of lung cancers

Low dietary calcium was linked to
4.9% of colorectal cases

Low dietary fiber was linked to
10.3% of colorectal cancer cases

Physical inactivity was linked to
26.7% of uterine cancers
16.3% of colorectal cancers
3.9% of female breast cancers

HPV infection was linked to
All cervical cancers
88.2% of anal cancers
64.6% of vaginal cancers

UV radiation from the sun or indoor tanning was linked to
96.0% of melanomas of the skin in men
93.7% of melanomas of the skin in women

https://www.aicr.org/news/new-study-links-cancer-and-cancer-deaths-to-lifestyle-factors/#:~:text=Approximately%2042%20percent%20of%20cancer,a%20study%20released%20last%20week .

390766 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to NickR, 8, #448 of 1914 🔗

So your suggesting that scientifically it is proven that exercise, diet, a healthy life-style, fresh air and using common sense is your best immune defence? Jesus that will surely confuse the Covidtards and Covidiot cult of the almighty, transcendent, omnipotent, CV 19.

390770 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to NickR, 7, #449 of 1914 🔗

Social isolation and psychological stress are associated with increased mortality from every single cause.

390718 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #450 of 1914 🔗

Covid Antidote [HCQ] censored by media

HCQ always to be taken with Zinc to be an effective treatment for Covid.

Many HCQ scientific trials were designed to fail – either they have not used Zinc or too high doses

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/01/hydroxychloroquine-and-zinc-for-coronavirus.aspx

390761 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 17, #451 of 1914 🔗

It worked against Sars 1
Confirmed by Grouchy Fauci himself in 2005
No reason for it not to work against Sars2
HCQ was all about Trump and they were fine with letting people die to get him out

392381 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Crystal Decanter, #452 of 1914 🔗

Fauci worked for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation from 2003 to 2010. He authorized/funded the transfer to the Wuhan Lab. Get the picture?

390815 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, 3, #453 of 1914 🔗

I wonder what would happen if you managed to see a doctor and told him you were due to travel to a country with high incidence of malaria for work and required HCQ for protection.

391616 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richy_m_99, #454 of 1914 🔗

Instead of wondering, just buy it on the interweb ?

390719 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 5, #455 of 1914 🔗

Latest analysis of the Kent strain using the Zoe app – actually does the data analysis that NERVTAG ought to have done before Ferguson made the unfounded and ill thought-out proclamations:

The effect of SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.7 on symptomatology, re-infection and transmissibility | medRxiv

390743 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 1, #456 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately the last line of the abstract doesn’t quite assist the anti lockdowners cause…..”Despite this, we found that regional and national lockdowns have reduced R(t) below 1 in regions with very high proportions of B.1.1.7.”

390720 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #457 of 1914 🔗
390852 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, #458 of 1914 🔗

Wowsers, I started watching this last night.

391221 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to stefarm, #459 of 1914 🔗

I had to stop halfway through before I disintegrated my phone against the bedroom wall.

How this isn’t be investigated further is testament to one great big fraud.

This needs to be asked and challenged in Parliament to see if it can be plausibly be refuted.

390722 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 42, #460 of 1914 🔗

I’ve just been texted an NHS no reply, asking me to book a regular (as opposed to an irregular?) Covid-19 “symptom-free test today and help reduce the spread of the virus. Play your part and protect Kent ”
No thanks. I’m busy until the 12th of Never.

390732 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PatrickF, 11, #461 of 1914 🔗

STOP ALL
Is the way to stop rogue texts. If they continue it is then a legal matter.

390847 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Basics, 1, #462 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for the tip.

390736 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to PatrickF, 4, #463 of 1914 🔗

Yeah I’ll bet it’s no reply.i know what my reply would be…

390764 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PatrickF, 1, #464 of 1914 🔗

Kent Freedom Alliance

390765 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to PatrickF, 8, #465 of 1914 🔗

I’ve had one of those texts too. Decided to click on the link to see what they say and you do a self-administered swab in a ‘booth’. Very tempted to book a test and dip the swabs (nose and throat) in some water. Or maybe pee would be better. Bet the results are positive. On the same link there’s also an NHS ad ‘urgently seeking on-site assistants’, £10 ph, working up to 48 hours a week, including evenings and weekends. Gosh, it sounds so attractive.

391122 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liz F, 1, #466 of 1914 🔗

They’ll need to up that rate to £11 when anal swabs come in.

390793 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 16, #467 of 1914 🔗

Testing symptom free people is a waste of money and an endeavour to ramp up numbers.

Asymptomatic infection is biologically implausible ~ Dr Michael Yeadon ~

390814 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PatrickF, 8, #468 of 1914 🔗

I said I’ll come down on the 30th Feb.

390734 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 23, #469 of 1914 🔗

I want to start a new front! Seeing as they’re using shame tactics against us then I can equally do the same back! If just two people were to stand outside every hospital in the UK with this message

“Look into their eyes and tell me why you allowed them to die when there is cheap, off the shelf well known drugs to cure them – YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS”

Ivermectic, Vitamin D HCQ with ZINC saves lives.

390763 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Andrew K, 3, #470 of 1914 🔗

46 k dead from LDs and rising to over 100 K. Maybe 30 k killed by (not with) Covid.

392383 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrew K, #471 of 1914 🔗

Call them domestic terrorists.

390741 Fingerache Philip, 4, #472 of 1914 🔗

Lucky old Myanmar/Burma.

390742 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 34, #473 of 1914 🔗

It isn’t just education and socialising that is being missed because children aren’t in school or pre school. Who are the first people most likely to spot and identify the signs of possible neglect either deliberate or accidental/circumstantial in a child/family?
A teacher. How much neglect and other child/adult safeguarding issues are being missed because children are not in school?

390841 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to p02099003, 7, #474 of 1914 🔗

This is a question that no one in MSM has asked over the past 10 months. They have actively contributed to child abuse.

390860 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to p02099003, 4, #475 of 1914 🔗

Teachers have abrogated their responsibilities under Working Together. Scum.

390751 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 27, #476 of 1914 🔗

According to the Mirror, Captain Tom hadn’t had the Covid vaccine “because he was on drugs to treat pneumonia.” What a load of bollocks. More like he wasn’t given it because there was a high chance it’d kill the most famous centenarian in the country, and what a PR disaster that would have been for the jabs!

390760 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scotty87, 10, #477 of 1914 🔗

They will label all vaxx deaths, like they now do with flu deaths, Covid and emphasise the new scary variant from Gibraltar, Greenland or Ghana.

390773 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Scotty87, 4, #478 of 1914 🔗

I was just going to post asking about Captain Jack.

I bet Michael ball and Alfie Boe can’t wait to release their charity single in aid of the captain Tom foundation and wanky balls Morgan is chomping at the bit to host the pride of captain Tom awards honouring the covoid heroes.

P.s. what about all of the people on drugs to treat heart disease, diabetes etc, do they not count?

390795 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Scotty87, 11, #479 of 1914 🔗

I also wondered whether being cooped up in the recycled air of an airport and an aeroplane for the best part of a day (x 2 for each way) for his recent family trip to Barbados contributed to his health problem.

I wish the old guy well. He didn’t ask for all this bs; he just thought he was helping. He’s been totally used by the media and the government.

390871 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Suet, 10, #480 of 1914 🔗

I’ve no idea about airport air, but there is a common misconception about aeroplane air being unclean. On a typical modern aeroplane, approximately half of the air is fresh outside air taken from the engine compressors then run through air conditioning packs to cool it. The other half is recirculated air which is passed through HEPA filters. The air is changed approximately once every 2 minutes.

It’s about as ‘clean’ as air can be!

I agree that he has been used for propaganda purposes, and fair play to him for not letting his age stand in the way of enjoying his life.

391344 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #481 of 1914 🔗

Yes, the air in planes is replenished at a huge rate continually. Also there was that poster from AIAT (I think) that showed there was a huge number of flights and hardly any “possible cases” of covid transmission in a plane had occurred.

I can’t find the poster right now. I will look for it.

391606 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #482 of 1914 🔗

That’s the theory.

A few years ago now, but I remember reading quite a bit about diesel and other stuff leaking into the aircon systems.

390817 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Scotty87, 4, #483 of 1914 🔗

Perhaps he hadn’t had it because he didn’t want it. That wouldn’t be in the news, would it?

390755 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 1, #484 of 1914 🔗

Can anyone explain to a layman what the implications of the virus not being isolated are? Ie are there other viruses we recognise that haven’t been isolated? Why can’t it be isolated? What does the fact that it hasn’t been isolated have to the efficacy of treatment? How do we know it exists? Thanks

390781 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Niborxof, 2, #485 of 1914 🔗

According to Stefan Lanka, a virologist, no pathogenic viruses have ever been isolated.

390759 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 23, #486 of 1914 🔗

Now I know who nicked my car’s air filter.

391846 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biggles, #487 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know whether that’s an incredibly funny piss-take, or a complete idiot thinking his air-filter will actually work.

390774 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 27, #488 of 1914 🔗

My Wife and many others are living in cloud cuckoo land.
She thinks we will be able to go on hols in May and next xmas we will all have a NORMAL xmas.
The MP for the New Forrest (Swayne) tied Fatty down in the commons last week.His answer was,we will ease restrictions when the nhs is not overrun.
So, next winter,very little covid,but many people needing treatment because of missed cancer and other spots.
You will not be able to stand in a pub again for a very long time.

390782 ▶▶ Will, replying to Dartford44, 12, #489 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think they will ever let us stand at the bar again.

390775 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 2, #490 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been trying to read up on vaccine effectiveness. I want to find out what that means. Unfortunately, the explanations are dominated by the maths of percentages but lack the definition of what effectiveness in an individual actually is. Is it that they do not get any symptoms, or is it that they don’t die, or is it something else?

390786 ▶▶ NickR, replying to muzzle, 5, #491 of 1914 🔗

They reduce symptoms. No evidence of reduced transmission, though if symptoms are reduced you may not cough & sneeze as much.

390822 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to NickR, 11, #492 of 1914 🔗

“They reduce symptoms”

I know this is what is claimed but, genuine question, how has it been scientifically measured that this is supposedly the case? How can a default level of severity be assumed for any individual in order to be able to say “Ah yes, if they hadn’t been vaccinated they would have had worse symptoms”? It would require the measurement of a non-existent value.

My own view is that, in order for them to make this claim with any confidence, there is little in the vaccine of actual medicinal effect other than, effectively, a paracetamol suspension, the benefits of which are already known.

391044 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #493 of 1914 🔗

I agree.Symptoms are mild in most people.How can you gauge that,it is impossible.A standard test for a vaccine is that it stops you contracting whatever you are vaccinated against.
A fake vaccine for a fake pandemic.

390787 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to muzzle, 4, #494 of 1914 🔗

They reduce the severity of symptoms, do not stop people getting infected. Question seems to be how infectious vaccined carriers are.

390809 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to muzzle, 2, #495 of 1914 🔗

For the Gov reduced symptoms mean less strain on Our NHS. That’s it. Plus they can boast abut x millions vaccinated and coax Granny out from the root cellar as masks haven’t been enough to.

390869 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to muzzle, 5, #496 of 1914 🔗

The percentages quoted tend to be the effectiveness in stopping you testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 (the test may be prompted by you having a symptom of some kind or testing positive for antibodies)

The way that say ‘95% effective’ has been worked out is in say a trial to vaccinate half of a group of people, and to see how many go on to test positive for SARs-CoV-2 in each group.

So if 2 later test positive in the vaccinated group and 40 in the equally sized control group, they claim 95% effectiveness. That is the manufacturer says they stopped 38 positives out of 40 in the vaccinated group or 95% of positives.

However because deaths are so low in number in these trials, the tests tell you nothing about how the vaccine affects your chance of dying. And deaths in these trials with a positive test for SARS-C0V-2 typically have something like zero or no covid labelled deaths amongst the participants. So they don’t show anything in terms of their ability or not to prevent death. And even if there is a covid labelled death it doesn’t tell you if that death is incidental to the positive test. Someone dying of terminal cancer with a positive test for SARS-C0V-2 dies because of cancer not covid, and being vaccinated to stop your unavoidable death being labelled as covid is pointless.

To properly test any vaccine against the most important outcome, death, you need to vaccinate two large groups with a ‘vaccine’ and a placebo. You then follow them for 10 years at least and see how many die of any cause in that period. That way you pick up not only any covid deaths the vaccine prevents, but any net indirect short and long term deaths caused by the ‘vaccine’. Possibly relatively subtle affects such as a higher death rate to the vaccinated from the next respiratory virus may then get picked up as well as more obvious side affects.

In practice you never get to see this measurable long term all cause death outcomes in trials, even with hindsight. Having marketed their 95% claims, the manufacturer then claims it will be unethical not to vaccinate the people in the control group who had the placebo, and so allowing the placebo group to be vaccinated you stop any chance of measuring a long term outcome of all cause death that might prove embarrassing to the manufacturer.

These vaccines (if you can call them vaccines, I won’t go into that) will probably always be experimental vaccines because I don’t think you will ever see any clear effect on them preventing death. There may however be evidence that they are harmful if the short and long term side affects are sufficient in size.

I’ve estimated my chances of dying from covid is about 1 in 500,000 although I could be an order of magnitude out on that. But would it be sensible for me to take an even ‘100% effective’ vaccine given those odds? Of course not. The unknown long term affects (it is hard to conceive that the vaccine will ever help in the long term with anything other than covid) rule it out completely.

390893 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #497 of 1914 🔗

“So if 40 later test positive in the vaccinated group and 2 in the equally sized control group, they claim 95% effectiveness.”

I never really understood this. They had no control whatsover over what these people were doing: they weren’t all subject to exactly the same germs, air, food, other people – whatever.

The only way they could properly test would have been to actually inject them all with covid. Did they do that?

Or maybe I’m just dim.

390917 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Suet, 1, #498 of 1914 🔗

No your not dim. It’s meant to confuse you so you don’t ask questions. No they don’t infect you with covid as this is illegal. The just get volunteers. Lets say 3000. Inject half with a dose of vaccine half with a placebo then set them all free and hope some catch it. So the 40 figure is those that got it. Rather than the logical question, why didn’t the rest the 1500 not get it? So its not a great control groups worth of data to then go and vaccine the whole fucking world. I feel so much safer!

390946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Spikedee1, #499 of 1914 🔗

Isn’t one of the vaccines just a kneecapped version of one of the corona colds? Sure I read that somewhere

390980 ▶▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to Suet, 1, #500 of 1914 🔗

“Among those getting the placebo, 0,9% developed symptomatic covid. Among those getting the vaccine, 0,05% developed symptomatic covid. That is a 95% relative risk reduction and it is highly statistically significant.”
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/10/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe-and-effective/

390981 ▶▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to Suet, 1, #501 of 1914 🔗

Just to be clear the trial evaluated vaccine efficacy not vaccine effectiveness. Efficacy is under ideal conditions and effectiveness is real world conditions. We have yet to determine the effectiveness, but will do once enough people in the general population have been vaccinated and there’s enough data

391008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Raquel, #502 of 1914 🔗

Good point.

And of course, as well as real world conditions, the people most affected by covid are not just weighted but hugely weighted to older people with co-morbidities. And this group are massively under-represented in the trial samples.

So the efficacy is pretty much measuring the ability of the ‘vaccine’ stopping those, who wouldn’t have been badly affected anyway, and in trial conditions, from testing positive.

390985 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Suet, 1, #503 of 1914 🔗

They did inject them with sth.
Saw it on Corona Ausschuss.
A Dr Schmidt-Krueger analysed the paperwork BionTech gave to the vaccine authorising bodies.
She has some quite shocking news.
I will listen to it again today, it is very long (2hrs) and complicated. Report then.

390989 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Suet, 1, #504 of 1914 🔗

They allow for other factors which will affect ‘effectiveness’ (their definition) of the vaccine or placebo arm (other than vaccination itself) by randomisation and stratification in the control and vaccine arms.

By randomly selected people to be in the vaccine or control group, these other factors cancel out (such as germs, air, food).

However with something really critical such as age or co-morbidities you use stratification. So for example you pick all the over 70s say (where the vaccine may be less ‘effective’) and then randomly select half of them to be in the control group and half in the vaccine arm. That way you avoid the affect that a random sample will by chance result in slightly more or less than half of those over 70s being in the 2 groups, and so you aren’t confounding results by how lucky or unlucky you have been in randomly choosing the 2 groups.

So by the manufacturers definition of ‘effective’ you can say that the vaccine is ‘effective’ (to some degree at least) without doing something like injecting everyone with SARS-C0V-2 which is not allowed for various reasons. But the point is, as already detailed they are measuring completely the wrong outcome.

Only a ridiculously small proportion of even the control group actually get covid (which is what has happened) and pretty much none of them die from covid and only relatively few are hospitalised. On the other side only a very small adverse affect on all cause mortality in the group who don’t get covid (as well as almost all of those who do get covid and and recover) creates much more harm than any benefit a vaccine may give in preventing covid death. But that isn’t measured except at the most extreme level of extreme short term side affects, and they just declare it ‘safe’.

391048 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Suet, #505 of 1914 🔗

Of course you are dim.Cant you see the emperors wonderful new clothes?

390988 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #506 of 1914 🔗

Just to be clear the trial evaluated vaccine efficacy not vaccine effectiveness. Efficacy is under ideal conditions and effectiveness is real world conditions. We have yet to determine the effectiveness, but will do once enough people in the general population have been vaccinated and there’s enough data

390961 ▶▶ jb12, replying to muzzle, 1, #507 of 1914 🔗

From what I have read of the Pfizer one, they appeared to merely reduce positive PCR tests as untested and negative-result people with symptoms were excluded from the trial.

390986 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to muzzle, 1, #508 of 1914 🔗

Peter Doshi at the BMJ does a good job of demonstrating that the Pfizer data is pretty well worthless (even though he doesn’t actually say that…). And the sleight of hand involved to come up with the topline efficacy figure. Read the comments underneath the article also for useful discussion.

“Five weeks ago, when I raised questions about the results of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s covid-19 vaccine trials, all that was in the public domain were the study protocols and a few press releases . Today, two journal publications and around 400 pages of summary data are available in the form of multiple reports presented by and to the FDA prior to the agency’s emergency authorization of each company’s mRNA vaccine. While some of the additional details are reassuring, some are not. Here I outline new concerns about the trustworthiness and meaningfulness of the reported efficacy results.
“Suspected covid-19”
All attention has focused on the dramatic efficacy results: Pfizer reported 170 PCR confirmed covid-19 cases, split 8 to 162 between vaccine and placebo groups. But these numbers were dwarfed by a category of disease called “suspected covid-19”—those with symptomatic covid-19 that were not PCR confirmed. According to FDA’s report on Pfizer’s vaccine , there were “3410 total cases of suspected, but unconfirmed covid-19 in the overall study population, 1594 occurred in the vaccine group vs. 1816 in the placebo group.”
With 20 times more suspected than confirmed cases, this category of disease cannot be ignored simply because there was no positive PCR test result. Indeed this makes it all the more urgent to understand. A rough estimate of vaccine efficacy against developing covid-19 symptoms, with or without a positive PCR test result, would be a relative risk reduction of 19% (see footnote)—far below the 50% effectiveness threshold for authorization set by regulators . Even after removing cases occurring within 7 days of vaccination (409 on Pfizer’s vaccine vs. 287 on placebo), which should include the majority of symptoms due to short-term vaccine reactogenicity, vaccine efficacy remains low: 29% (see footnote).
If many or most of these suspected cases were in people who had a false negative PCR test result, this would dramatically decrease vaccine efficacy. But considering that influenza-like illnesses have always had myriad causes —rhinoviruses, influenza viruses, other coronaviruses, adenoviruses, respiratory syncytial virus, etc.—some or many of the suspected covid-19 cases may be due to a different causative agent.
But why should etiology matter? If those experiencing “suspected covid-19” had essentially the same clinical course as confirmed covid-19, then “suspected plus confirmed covid-19” may be a more clinically meaningful endpoint than just confirmed covid-19.
However, if confirmed covid-19 is on average more severe than suspected covid-19, we must still keep in mind that at the end of the day, it is not average clinical severity that matters, it’s the incidence of severe disease that affects hospital admissions. With 20 times more suspected covid-19 than confirmed covid-19, and trials not designed to assess whether the vaccines can interrupt viral transmission, an analysis of severe disease irrespective of etiologic agent—namely, rates of hospitalizations, ICU cases, and deaths amongst trial participants—seems warranted, and is the only way to assess the vaccines’ real ability to take the edge off the pandemic.
There is a clear need for data to answer these questions, but Pfizer’s 92-page report didn’t mention the 3410 “suspected covid-19” cases. Nor did its publication in the New England Journal of Medicine. Nor did any of the reports on Moderna’s vaccine. The only source that appears to have reported it is FDA’s review of Pfizer’s vaccine.
The 371 individuals excluded from Pfizer vaccine efficacy analysis
Another reason we need more data is to analyse an unexplained detail found in a table of FDA’s review of Pfizer’s vaccine: 371 individuals excluded from the efficacy analysis for “important protocol deviations on or prior to 7 days after Dose 2.” What is concerning is the imbalance between randomized groups in the number of these excluded individuals: 311 from the vaccine group vs 60 on placebo. (In contrast, in Moderna’s trial , there were just 36 participants excluded from the efficacy analysis for “major protocol deviation”—12 vaccine group vs 24 placebo group.)
What were these protocol deviations in Pfizer’s study, and why were there five times more participants excluded in the vaccine group? The FDA report doesn’t say, and these exclusions are difficult to even spot in Pfizer’s report and journal publication .”

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/

391226 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to muzzle, 1, #510 of 1914 🔗

Peter Doshi in the BMJ is worth reading.

390783 SweetBabyCheeses, 52, #511 of 1914 🔗

I got a bit of flack last night for saying Tom Moore having pneumonia is sad, but I stand by this. What I meant is it’s not a tragedy, and certainly not a national one. But his own family are still allowed to be sad and mourn him (when the time inevitably comes). We need to be proportionate about grief as a nation not immune to it as individuals.

It’s not his fault he got used the way he did and I’m glad he didn’t spend any of what was (probably) his last year on earth stressing about it and wondering if it was too late to choose a different charity. He walked 100 laps of his garden – setting a great example of what people need to do if they want to be old and healthy too. You don’t see him with a mask on do you.

The guy went on a jolly to Barbados with his family last month! He clearly knows lockdown is a load of bollocks and was determined to use what little time he had left well rather than wasting it cowering away.

So he can be a symbol of whatever you choose – for me it’s his zest for life, that exercise is necessary and the knowledge that you have to honour those you cared for who died too young by making the most of your whole life.

390789 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #512 of 1914 🔗

Captain Tom…

What a hero, everybody loves you
You tested positive for sars-cov-2? Everybody hopes you have a swift recovery
You went to Barbados? What a scumbag

People are so fickle.

390853 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #513 of 1914 🔗

Lovely, lovely poetic justice that their hero could be the one to torpedo the whole project. Hoping he pulls through but if he dies on day 27 (after test), the shit will hit the fan!

390792 FerdIII, 12, #514 of 1914 🔗

Le Petit Prince asked the Drunk; ‘why do you drink?’. The Drunk answered ‘to forget that I drink’.

Le Petit Prince asked the Covidiot wearing a mask taking endless vaxx’s; ‘why do you wear a mask and inject vaxxs?’. The Covidiot answered ‘to forget that I once had individual freedom and a normal life’.

390794 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 18, #515 of 1914 🔗

The vaccine discussion has finally starting to raise it’s ugly hea in my household. As it appears more and more apparent that the Vaccine passport is only a matter of time and that soon you will not be able to take a cab , let alone a plane anywhere without it , I now stand on the crossroads. My parents and my siter live abroad and in the discussion with my wife she said if we ever want to see them again or go on holiday anywhere else but Bogna , we will have to take the vaccine sooner or later.

I’, of course strongly opposed to that and she knows how I feel about it but the argument throw out is : Well, you being selfish and paranoid will cost your daughter not to see her grandparent and her cousin and be able to go on holiday. SO you will just have to amn up and take the vaccine.

And here we are, I’m the graters dilemma since thinking to either leave the Army or stay ..One of hand there is the fact that this is experimental drug that could seriously affect me for the rest of my life, on the other a real possibility that I will loose my family . This world is truly fucked..

390803 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 28, #516 of 1914 🔗

Wait and see how it pans out
if you think this incompetent Government can administer a vaccine passport system then………..??
There will be plenty of loopholes

390812 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #517 of 1914 🔗

Agree – business will find it a hassle (and will lose business) having to implement it. I think, particularly for more general things (pubs, taxis) it will go the same way as the test and trace went last summer – i.e. very easy to get around in most cases.

390863 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ozzie, 16, #518 of 1914 🔗

Fake vaccine certs will be all over ebay
The “apps” will be cracked by the dark web

390991 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #519 of 1914 🔗

And then there is the black market!

391249 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #520 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely this. Even if they want to, they will fail spectacularly. I’m sitting the vaccine out until I’m convinced it’s adequately tested. Whichever one I’m being offered at the time. I doubt very much they can differentiate between me and someone’s who’s taken it in any setting other than looking directly at my medical notes. Even those could be wrong; one of my sons had a regular childhood vaccine omitted on his notes and I took him for every single appointment.

390825 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #521 of 1914 🔗

First of all it is illegal to discriminate against you on the grounds of whether you are genetically altered or not (it’s NOT a vaccine), and secondly you are way ahead of yourself if you think you need to concern yourself with this now.

Go and sign the petition on https://stopmedicaldiscrimination.org and share it.

390833 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #522 of 1914 🔗

Just tell your family you are waiting till the vaccines have a full product licence! Then you can better assess the risks and choose which one you want. Or none.

390837 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #523 of 1914 🔗

I know. I have family abroad too.

390880 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #524 of 1914 🔗

I know how you feel. I have family overseas.

That said I seriously doubt that they can vaccinate everyone and have health passports. The Swine Flu vaccine and its failure sets a precedent especially after the NHS and manufacturers were sued after people who were vaccinated developed serious side effects and complications.

390921 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #525 of 1914 🔗

I would not worry. Aint nobody going on holiday thus year.

390937 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #526 of 1914 🔗

It is as well to remember that none of the vaccines are approved.
They have simply been granted an Emergency Use Authorisation.
And such an authorisation has to be rescinded as soon as such emergency use is no longer justifiable.
Clearly viable alternatives that are already approved (such as HCQ and Ivermectin) have been suppressed or made unavailable. But there is a possibility that these will begin to break through, as the efficacy data continues to build up from around the world. Even widespread adoption of Vit D supplementation would end the ’emergency’.
Then the vaccine sponsors will have to apply for regular approval. For sure the passage to that will be smoothed, but it is not a given.
It’s one of the reasons why the ’emergency’ has to be continued for now.

391193 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #527 of 1914 🔗

I’m trying to take comfort from what happened in the EC last week. I know we’re not part of the EU anymore, but the EC ruled against mandatory vaccination and stated that no-one can be discriminated against if they refuse vaccine. See the link below. The extension of this is that EU based airlines may struggle or even find it impossible to refuse to carry a non-vaccinated passenger and with that the covid-passport bollocks should hopefully wither and die;

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

391261 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bigade, 2, #528 of 1914 🔗

Nothing to do with the EU. This was the Council of Europe, which the UK remains a member of.

391595 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #529 of 1914 🔗

I’m with the majority – wait and see, no rush.

Also, there is the option of offering to pay for grandparent(s) to come here.

391953 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #530 of 1914 🔗

There is also the option of checking to see which vaccine is the best (i.e. the most old-fashioned, safely-made). Thus far, the Indian and Chinese versions are by far the safest in theory, being made using deactivated viral material rather than mRNA. The Sinopharm one is the only one I would take a chance on, if it was utterly mandatory.

Mind you, they’ll still have to take a chance on their ability to avoid my nose-breaking skills.

390797 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 27, #531 of 1914 🔗

Lots of insane back slapping today at the DT regarding the “vaccine nationalism” alleged “win” over the eu – it really is not 66 and all that again folks, however, i might be a lone voice, but anybody who wants my “vaccine” is bloody well welcome to it !

390804 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to nickbowes, 13, #532 of 1914 🔗

I’m going to donate mine to the French.

390827 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Biggles, 17, #533 of 1914 🔗

I’m donating mine to a teacher who is reluctant to get back in the classroom.

390846 ▶▶ Will, replying to nickbowes, 7, #534 of 1914 🔗

We really do need to get the virtue signallers to buy into the whole vaccine altruism argument.

391520 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to nickbowes, #535 of 1914 🔗

Interesting how all the propaganda is now ‘strong and good Boris’ for having the courage and foresight to purchase all those 400 million doses of a dozen different vaccines

390808 stefarm, 29, #536 of 1914 🔗

Just driven the past the local test centre, quiet as a mouse’s fart.

Talking to a colleague this morning who I haven’t seen for well since March.

Hard to guage her scepticism but without prompting she thinks it’s all about trying to destroy the working class hence why pubs are shut etc.

She did also discuss the impact on the younger generation and the impact on mental health. Her cousin runs an under 18 football team and he is aware of 2 under 18’s within the community committing suicide. She agreed that paying people to sit at home is a great idea and a great tool to keep people compliant and selfish.

Not the most up beat conversation but good to speak to someone with an open mind.

390830 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #537 of 1914 🔗

Many interesting papers on Ivermectin.They will be dismissed in UK as 3rd world studies cheered by Big Pharma

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3765018

Sharp Reductions in COVID-19 Case Fatalities and Excess Deaths in Peru in Close Time Conjunction, State-By-State, with Ivermectin Treatments

“On May 8, 2020, Peru’s Ministry of Health approved ivermectin (IVM) for the treatment of COVID-19. A drug of Nobel Prize-honored distinction, IVM has been safely distributed in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987. It has exhibited major, statistically significant reductions in case mortality and severity in 11 clinical trials for COVID-19, three with randomized controls. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM is the same as that of antiviral antibodies generated by vaccines—binding to SARS-CoV-2 viral spike protein, blocking viral attachment to host cells. ” For the 24 states with early IVM treatment (and Lima), excess deaths dropped 59% (25%) at +30 days and 75% (25%) at +45 days after day of peak deaths.”

Very interesting.Another article.See graph below.The absolute majority of treatment must have been in Haiti due to its enormous health problems.WHO stopped this campaign April 2020.Remember Haiti and Dominican Republic share the same island.According to Times and Ivermectin not proven treatment.

https://colombiamedica.univalle.edu.co/index.php/comedica/article/view/4613/4859

“In 2019, 1.2 million people in Haiti and Dominican Republic received ivermectin as part lymphatic filariasis preventive strategy. However, in an effort to reduce the risk of COVID-19 mass treatment campaigns were suspended, after an interim WHO guidance on April 1, 2020  It should be interesting to observe the evolution of infections and mortality in these countries.”

391073 ▶▶ J-Knight, replying to swedenborg, #538 of 1914 🔗

So, if both Haiti and Dominican Republic participated in the Ivermectin program, what accounts for the huge disparity in cases?

391308 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to J-Knight, #539 of 1914 🔗

As I said above the dirtpoor Haiti had the absolute majority of treated

390831 ituex, replying to ituex, #540 of 1914 🔗

What does it mean if Conservative MPs abstain in Labour total quarantine vote? Apparently that’s what they’ve been told to do by BJ.

390875 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ituex, #541 of 1914 🔗

Labour total quarantine vote” What’s that? Sorry, I don’t read the news!

390898 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, #542 of 1914 🔗

Labour want all arrivals to the UK to be quarantined, not just those on the ‘red list’ here’s the story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209669/Boris-orders-Tory-MPs-ABSTAIN-Labour-vote-border-rules.html

390932 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Julian, 2, #543 of 1914 🔗

They want to bring in ‘hotel’ quarantine for British citizens returning from all countries even if you’ve travelled abroad for non holiday reasons. My daughter is at university abroad now so I am terrified.

391556 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to ituex, #544 of 1914 🔗

Not good, ituex, but hotel quarantine is not ‘terrifying’. Well, maybe Holiday Inns …

390835 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #545 of 1914 🔗

Bookies are giving saying sturgeon wont last the year. Wont last the spring is my bet. At a time when her witchipfulness is apparently at an all time high of popularity. What can be going on?

390844 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basics, 8, #546 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think it matters whether Sturgeon stays or goes – or Johnson, or whoever.

They are all dispensable. These people decide nothing big.

The system continues.

390904 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to rockoman, 3, #547 of 1914 🔗

The amount of relief it will bring to a huge numbervof people will be of consequence.

The revelation that while people were fawning over their leader she was busy in the darkest corruptions setting innocent men up for jail time will wake more up.

Of course the system is rigged broken and stacked by the establishment. That is no longer worth pointing out.

Sheer relief from the bitch is very important.

390857 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, 4, #548 of 1914 🔗

It’s coming out that she had a part in framing Salmond on the bogus se charges. See wingsoverscotland.com for more details on this and a ton of other scandals, including donations for campaigns going missing.

390905 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, #549 of 1914 🔗

Am aware ta.

390859 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 4, #550 of 1914 🔗

Wee Nippy will hold on like a crab on a pube

390924 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #551 of 1914 🔗

Reminds me of the jokes that used to go around when I was a little boy.

“You thought you had a pube until you pee’d through it”

Ah what a sweet and innocent childhood.

390952 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, #552 of 1914 🔗

Which bookmaker, please? In any case bookmakers just reflect the weight of money and don’t say what they think is likely to happen

390838 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #553 of 1914 🔗

Why is the government cronyism regarding contracts not a bigger issue?

It suggests that the government and those close to decision makers are/have been running a profiteering racket and have a direct incentive to prolong the state of emergency.

We’ve seen sporadic reporting on it but everyone seems to have just shrugged their shoulders and decided there’s nothing to see here.

390856 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #554 of 1914 🔗

Worth watching Robert F Kennedy with David Martin, a link posted earlier. Similar rot with Fauci and Moderna.

390867 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #555 of 1914 🔗

Why are the CBI not just telling their members to open up, that they will fight the case, that the courts are so tied up it would take years anyway. Before they are eaten up by the big sharks

390884 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, #556 of 1914 🔗

Good question!

And the same of the FSB

390914 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #557 of 1914 🔗

Well Labour are promising to hold the Gov to account, “for the many & not for the few” and all that. oh wait………

390849 Scouse Sceptic, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 10, #558 of 1914 🔗

What hope do we have when the police are so thick they force an essential shop to close…

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/health-food-shop-owner-threatened-19721447

390868 ▶▶ mj, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 11, #559 of 1914 🔗

the shop did not sell doughnuts and pies. so how can it be a food shop?

391111 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mj, 3, #560 of 1914 🔗

Guilty of offences against the “Weakening the Immune System Act 2021”.

390858 frankfrankly, 2, #561 of 1914 🔗

Obviously I don’t know Sir Tom Moore but from his determination to live life to the full I hope he might think this is appropriate-

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

(Dylan Thomas; there are more verses of course)

390862 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 23, #562 of 1914 🔗

Does Handoncock think everyone has forgotten that it was only a few weeks ago he was promising to “cry freedom” once the most vulnerable people had all been offered the vaccine, i.e. round about now? We’re definitely dealing with some kind of personality disorder here, because this narcissist clearly thinks he can get away with anything.

390936 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to mattghg, 3, #563 of 1914 🔗

And so far he has

390973 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to WasSteph, 2, #564 of 1914 🔗

Which is the most depressing bit!

390999 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 9, #565 of 1914 🔗

I’m not so worried about Handoncock. Slugs will feast in the vegetable patch.

What I am worried about is the inability of many of the populace (many of whom will, no doubt, parrot empty slogans about politicians in general) to join up the dots of inconsistency when push comes to shove.

You have to have the memory of a goldfish not to recall that vaccines were the golden gate to freedom but a short while ago.

392205 ▶▶ zubin, replying to mattghg, #566 of 1914 🔗

You are so right

390870 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #567 of 1914 🔗

Vladimir Putin demolishes the Great Reset and the fourth industrial revolution in his speech to the Davos crowd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVcB6_zjauY

390874 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #568 of 1914 🔗

In many ways he seems like an awful man but could we now honestly say he is more awful and less competent than our own PM?

390878 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 8, #569 of 1914 🔗

Elections are freer in Russia than in the US, the BBC’s views notwithstanding.

390891 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #570 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know enough to comment, but I would say that the US, with the degree of autonomy enjoyed at State level, is still freer than Russia. The UK not so much. I don’t believe we have any right to a moral high ground now.

390885 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 6, #571 of 1914 🔗

Compare and contrast Putin and Johnson.

I suspect if the above exercise were carried out dispassionately, Johnson would not come out of it well.

390923 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Julian, 2, #572 of 1914 🔗

Awful in a different way but much more competent without a doubt.

391093 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to ituex, 5, #573 of 1914 🔗

But would people think he is ‘awful’ if they didn’t base their views on what western politicians and MSM tell us to think of him and distort and lie about the truth (sounds familiar)?

This article by Sharon Tennison of the US Center for Citizen Initiatives is primarily a personal opinion piece but it is very illuminating on many aspects of Putin’s character and motivations.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/06/understanding-russia-un-demonizing-putin/

I would be so bold as to say that anyone who has ever watched his annual solo public Q&A sessions cannot fail to be impressed with his intelligence, loyalty to the Russian people and even a sense of humour. I think the record is a four and a half hour session without a break responding sympathetically to questions posed by the audience from within the conference centre or by video link from central, regional and remote rural areas of the country.

He responds to every question – often quoting statistics and well-researched facts – without any briefing notes and never once evading the question or saying he didn’t have an answer. Even well known outspoken critics with opposing political persuasions are allowed to pose questions, and he answers with courtesy and respect…and sometimes humour.

I recall seeing an interview in which he was asked about his approach to negotiating with politicians or heads of state that he had little in common with politically. He said that every person on the planet can find common ground with someone else. “It might be a common love of conservation or art or sport [etc]. The skill is to identify that common ground and build relations from that”.

Whether people agree with his political position or not, his standing as an intelligent and true statesman is second to none. Boris Johnson has none of those qualities.

390876 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #574 of 1914 🔗

Warning – introduction by Klaus Schwab.

390877 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #575 of 1914 🔗

I think his new nick-name is anal schwab

391378 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #576 of 1914 🔗

I’ve got mixed feelings about Putin. There’s no doubt that he’s a hard, ruthless man and dangerous to have as an enemy. But there’s no need for him to be our enemy. I was relieved when the Skripals recovered from Novichok poisoning, and it was sad that a British woman later died from coming into contact with it, but it wasn’t the intention to kill British citizens. Putin is first and foremost a Russian nationalist and the main thing he wants is complete control of his own country. I think he’s much less of a threat than the Chinese Communist Party who want to spread their dominating influence globally.

391382 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #577 of 1914 🔗

I asked a native russian speaker what he thought about the way Putin spoke, did he sound “posh” or “common” or something else? The guy said he just sounded very ordinary, very man in the street. I thought that was interesting.

390872 Blair Witch, replying to Blair Witch, 28, #578 of 1914 🔗

So Perth and a lot of the population of WA have gone into total lockdown because of one case. If we did the same here, we would be in lockdown forever. The world has gone bonkers, do they not have flu in Australia?

390887 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Blair Witch, 4, #579 of 1914 🔗

New Zealand have just told them to be more ‘tactful’ to the Chinese. What a confusing world.

390889 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Blair Witch, 4, #580 of 1914 🔗

Nobody has flu, it’s been cured by Covid.

390970 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Blair Witch, 3, #581 of 1914 🔗

I honestly think it might be worse in Australia whereby people live in fear of the boogeyman that never actually arrives.

At least here we have had it and the population are having to wise up as to whether it’s worth the fuss.

392385 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Blair Witch, #582 of 1914 🔗

Several years ago Western Australia banned the opera ‘Carmen’ because there was a tobacoo factory in the story.

390881 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 8, #583 of 1914 🔗

Sadly the ‘other half’ is addicted to BBC R2, especially the diabetes inducing Ken Bruce.

I simply can’t believe the Jolly Jolly attitude of this program, trivialising the Social crime that is the whole Lockdown travesty.

When the reckoning comes State Radio has to be in the dock with all the others.

390953 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to eastender53, 2, #584 of 1914 🔗

Ken Bruce is the only show I listen to and even that is *very* occasional. I agree the whole jolly atmosphere is too much. You’d think we weren’t actually having our lives ripped apart before our very eyes.

391005 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to WasSteph, 6, #585 of 1914 🔗

I have Ken Bruce on in the background as I sit here typing away! I know that Ken makes the right ‘noises’ about the pandemic and the NHS when he talks to contestants on Pop Master but I get the distinct impression that he is actually holding back on his true opinion and keeps his platitudes relatively low key. For months now, when Jeremy Vine talks to Ken about what is to be discussed on his show, Ken keeps quiet and never adds any comments in endorsement of Jeremy’s immature, ill-researched and effusive pro-lockdown and pro-vaccine stance.

So, in his defence, I think Ken is actually trying to sustain some semblance of normality for those of us who are sick of being bombarded with the propaganda.

391632 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Dodderydude, #586 of 1914 🔗

I suspect eastender53 meant Jeremy Vine, as opposed to Ken Bruce.

390882 Cecil B, 5, #587 of 1914 🔗

The new teenage mutant ninja virus

More Cowerbunga than Cowabunga

390883 DanClarke, 8, #588 of 1914 🔗

The DM article about masks got me thinking about my friend who many years ago returned home with her young family to the uK. In the airport while they were waiting for the family to meet them, her youngest asked why that black man was sitting in their cafe, she was mortified and her daughter has actually turned out to be someone against all divisions including masks which she sees as divisive as all segregation. Some of the comments about not letting people in places without a masked face are tragic and not something I ever thought we would hear in this country.

390888 yohodi, 2, #589 of 1914 🔗

Google ‘Options for increasing adherence to social distancing measures’ it’s an 8 page Gov.uk . pdf. ..see for yourselves what they are doing.

390892 mouser, replying to mouser, 13, #590 of 1914 🔗

https://twitter.com/marmorkreb1/status/1355528026050727938

Neanie Scott’s, a souvenir shop on the Royal Mile in Edinburgh, according to the locals, the owner is a woman of great character and strong opinions. Several police offers in her shop but the customers supported her. You may need to turn the volume up to full, especially at the beginning of the clip

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Gift-Shop/Neanie-Scott-132011673482729/?locale2=en_GB

390897 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mouser, 9, #591 of 1914 🔗

Watched that. She was great and I know the shop having lived in Edinburgh for 10 years.

390901 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #592 of 1914 🔗

I posted late last night on yesterday’s comments the day after there was an arrest and a fine issued.

390992 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #593 of 1914 🔗

Some people on Twitter have volunteered to crowdfund so will have to check out if someone has started one.

390978 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mouser, 5, #594 of 1914 🔗

Good to see the support and the nailing of the key issues with the reference to Nuremberg.

391028 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #595 of 1914 🔗

The police are certainly storing up trouble in being able to dispatch four individuals on a mission like this. Apart from anything else, it suggests that 50% at least are surplus to requirements. 🙂

390894 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, 5, #596 of 1914 🔗

Both Taiwan and South Korea promptly imposed border quarantines when the original outbreak was reported in Wuhan, and both have great test-and-trace systems as a result of earlier bad coronavirus outbreaks (SARS for Taiwan, MERS for South Korea). However, while South Korea was only able to contain the virus, Taiwan was able to eliminate it.

Similarly, Florida had few restrictions but suffered a lower death rate than other US states that had harsh lockdowns.

Could climate be the common factor? Florida’s climate is very similar to Taiwan’s.

390900 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GCarty80, 4, #597 of 1914 🔗

Taiwan to my knowledge doesn’t have multi generational households either given the high cost of housing there. Also like Japan and Florida they focused protection on the elderly.

391035 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #598 of 1914 🔗

I thought expensive housing would make multigenerational households (and overcrowding more generally) more likely, not less!

390906 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to GCarty80, 3, #599 of 1914 🔗

I think on the AIER site there’s an article which questions whether Taiwan was so efficient.

390908 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to GCarty80, 6, #600 of 1914 🔗

Likely climate factors into the equation partly, yes. One of Ivor Cummins’ video updates went into this issue, compared the US to Europe in terms of peak infections related to average temperature.. obviously varies considerably across the US, the middle of Texas or Arizona in peak summer, isn’t directly comparable to Vermont & Maine, for example…

Another thing about Taiwan – they have (or did have, until the factory burnt down!) an extremely high uptake of HcQ

390927 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to GCarty80, 6, #601 of 1914 🔗

“Similarly, Florida had few restrictions but suffered a lower death rate than other US states that had harsh lockdowns.”

People die because of lockdowns, not despite them.

Yes, I think climate does play a role, but better to compare Florida to California in order to eliminate most cultural factors.

Also North Dakota vs South Dakota.

Respiratory viruses thrive in low humidity, showing that aerosols, which remain suspended in the air at low humidity, are the prime mode of transmission – not personal contact.

I add:

How do we know that Taiwan has eliminated ‘the virus’?

Is there a reliable test?

If so, then to whom is that test administered in Taiwan?

Only those showing symptoms?

Do not assume that different jurisdictions follow the same procedures.

390938 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to GCarty80, 5, #602 of 1914 🔗

Is there not always contradictions for every theory though. Peru had the strictest lockdown ever and yet one of the highest death tolls. The scandinavian nations have done alright and I don’t think they’re renowned for lots of sun

My theory is the countries that did particulaly well have low levels of obesity and high levels of vitamin D from climate and food (climate certainly plays a factor in it). Also, prior immunity from previous SARS outbreak is potentially a completely ignored elephant in the room.

390987 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #603 of 1914 🔗

low levels of obesity and high levels of vitamin D

Exactly!!

391031 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #604 of 1914 🔗

Scandinavia had different advantages: well-funded health care systems, a lifestyle that was already quite socially-distanced, and little or no urban overcrowding. Sweden did worst in part because those advantages were weaker there than in the rest of Scandinavia: it’s health care isn’t as well-funded, it has Somali immigrants living in overcrowded conditions, and its elderly care set up is bolloxed much as the UK’s is.

Latin America is interesting as it seems to be the main part of the world which has seen lockdown being outright ineffective (not just in Peru but in Argentina).

I don’t think immunity from SARS is relevant, as SARS didn’t infect enough people.

391092 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to GCarty80, 1, #605 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know how much I buy this overcrowding narrative. We generally urbanise our populations. Therefore, no matter the size of the Country’s geography we live in tight nit populations. I mean do these countries do better during flu seasons?

Yes true, Argentina suffered what they called quaranternity.

You may be right about SARS however given how little COVID has affected them it’s spread may just not have been recognisable in the population.

391617 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to GCarty80, #606 of 1914 🔗

It may not be SARS but another recent coronavirus. If they had one of the endemic coronaviruses as the dominant seasonal respiratory virus in recent years in the eastern hemisphere, then perhaps there is better cross immunity in the population at large.

390993 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to GCarty80, 2, #607 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s a mistake to focus too much on the variables. If we look at the bigger picture where countries with totally different approaches end up with similar results then it’s not unreasonable to say that most of the variables are likely insignificant.

390895 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 24, #608 of 1914 🔗

We’re through January – we can do this!

391082 ▶▶ Basics, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #609 of 1914 🔗

It is mockery.

I heard that being said. It makes sense.

390909 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #610 of 1914 🔗

The precautionary principle can be very lucrative it seems:

UK Government orders extra 40 million doses of Valneva vaccine

The UK Government has ordered an extra 40 million doses of the Valneva Covid-19 vaccine that is being manufactured in Scotland.

The move means 100 million doses of Valneva have now been put on order, enough for every adult in the UK, with the latest batch earmarked for delivery in 2022.

The Government has also retained options over a further 90 million doses for supply between 2023 and 2025.

Valneva said the total value of the entire order was up to 1.4bn euro (£1.24bn).

The ease with which all these vaccines are being developed makes me wary. Usually a complex problem will have very few solutions so it can take a long time for somebody to find one.

If everyone and their dog can come up with a solution it suggests the problem wasn’t a particularly hard one to solve in the first place.

I’d be interested to see just how different all these vaccines are to manufactured flu vaccines. Is it possible some places are simply redesigning or even rebranding what would otherwise be used to fight the flu?

390934 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #611 of 1914 🔗

Could be water if it brings the desired result of controls

390935 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #612 of 1914 🔗

and how much does vit D and Ivermectin costt in comparison?

390971 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 1, #613 of 1914 🔗

200m saved QALYs.

390942 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #614 of 1914 🔗

I am more concerned that they are buying them with 5 years’ time in mind.

390950 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to jb12, 2, #615 of 1914 🔗

The lockdowons are forever!

390994 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #616 of 1914 🔗

Look at the time lines too. Well I tell people that it’ll be required to have two or three jabs per year in perpetuity, they don’t believe me. Yet, this is exactly what this kind of news demonstrates.

391007 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, 5, #617 of 1914 🔗

Vallance said as much.A medico- fascist state is in the making.This is Bill Gates wet dream and the plan from the start.

391075 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to leggy, 3, #618 of 1914 🔗

I saw a brilliant (well, scary) photo on Twitter yesterday of a baby surrounded by syringes and vials, showing just how many vaccinations are supposedly recommended these days. Good to show to any mother as it rams home the point..
I’ll see if I can find it again…

391341 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #619 of 1914 🔗

I know a bit about flu vaccine manufacture. It’s rather different. For the most part, they are inactivated virus grown in eggs (chicken eggs). It’s very old-tech. There are some cell based and recombinant approaches as well. FDA has a basics page here:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/how-fluvaccine-made.htm#:~:text=For%20the%202019%2D2020%20influenza,Cell%2DBased%20Flu%20Vaccines%20webpage .

The COVID vaccines approved so far use rather different technology. Taking instructions to make antigens in the form of mRNA or DNA in either a manufactured shell or using a chimp adenovirus shell, which enables penetration of the host cell, which then acts to under the instructions inside to churn out the target antigen. Flu and corona are different viruses with different antigens, so you can’t repurpose flu vaccines for corona. And you wouldn’t want to start making a corona vaccine in old-tech chicken egg production lines as it’s slow and expensive to set up (you need GMP approved chickens to lay the eggs, in the first place).

What’s likely to happen in the future is that mRNA approaches will be used to make new flu based vaccines (a universal flu vaccine being the holy grail, putting all those GMP chicken farmers out of business).

You could design a recombinant antigen to target a corona virus, and this is the approach that a number of companies (eg Sanofi) are taking. It’s more traditional than mRNA and ChAd approaches, but also slower. All processes involving biologic agents can have variable yields, risk contamination and batch failure, so production is rarely straightforward.

391473 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to sophie123, #620 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Sophie123.

If the objective was to simply reduce symptoms would it be difficult to use the new technology to trigger the same responses? I’m assuming all these new vaccines have a unique solution to the same problem otherwise there would be some IP conflicts.

Too early to tell, but my suspicions are that these vaccines will turn out to be virtually identical to flu vaccines in their effect.

391723 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #621 of 1914 🔗

The aim of both the flu and corona vaccines wasn’t just to reduce symptoms. They both aimed to give a degree of immunity, in that the aim of both is to (1) generate neutralising antibodies and ideally (2) generate a T cell response (I think: they may have measured something else, but something that would suggest that your immunity is going to be longer lived than just the antibodies at least). Those are your biomarkers that you look for in early studies, that you will hope translate to fewer infections in the vaccinated in your larger clinical studies. Failing that, you hope the immune response you’re generating is sufficient to stop the disease being as severe (which it seems is where we have ended up).

With a flu vaccine, it’s very dependent on whether you have the right strain (H1N1 or whatever) in the vaccine. It may be “close enough” to give some immunity, but not close enough to make everyone vaccinated symptom free.

With corona, I don’t know. I guess the immune response generated is going to be very different across populations – it’s typically weaker and less durable in the elderly as the T cell response is much weaker. Plus the vaccines developed are only targeted at the S protein antigen, which means if the natural virus mutates a lot they may not be as well targeted to it. I need to do more reading on this.

On the IP issue, I don’t know if anyone has an overarching mRNA patent. Or if they do, it will be one that everyone licenses from the original holder. Like the Genentech Cabilly patent on antibody manufacture….it didn’t stop anybody from making antibodies, but they did all have to pay a (small percentage) royalty to Genentech for a long time. There are always ways round IP (that involve money changing hands, usually).

391726 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to sophie123, #622 of 1914 🔗

Just to add, if a corona vaccine becomes an annual vaccine (like flu), it won’t be because it IS like flu, in that there are different strains each year. Coronaviruses dont mutate that much. It will be annual because the immune response generated isn’t that durable.

This can be improved on potentially with an adjuvant, that boosts immune response, especially in the elderly, and restores T cell function.

390912 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 24, #623 of 1914 🔗

So the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have decreed that holidays are abroad are now illegal. Was this voted upon by Parliament? Of course not.

It seems obvious to me where this is going. Keep stringing people along that the “vaccine” may lead to an easing of restrictions, but never actually confirm it. Then BANG slam all international borders shut in perpetuity once enough have been vaccinated to bring in the digital immunity passport and social credit score required for any internal freedom of movement or access to public and private services of any kind.

390956 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richard O, 3, #624 of 1914 🔗

It is in the SI that made lockdown version three law. It not only made foreign holidays illegal, it made going on holiday illegal, full stop.

390966 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #625 of 1914 🔗

I think going on holiday was just as illegal in March and again in November

390968 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 2, #626 of 1914 🔗

Correct.

391069 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, #627 of 1914 🔗

Can you point me to where it says that, please?

391289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, #629 of 1914 🔗

The SI is written as amendments to previous SI, which renders it obscure and tedious. However, you can refer to the guidance, which is written in plain English. You simply need to bear in mind that the guidance includes more than the legislation: this is indicated by the use of must (law) and should (guidance). https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home#when-you-can-leave-home

391001 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Richard O, 4, #630 of 1914 🔗

Yes, I was kind of assuming that the next step would be the imposition of imprisonment, sorry hotel quarantine, for all arrivals with the express intention of actually locking everyone IN to the country rather than keeping the dirty foreigners OUT. And then the only way through that impenetrable wall around the countries borders would be.. dah da.. ‘the covid passport’. Get yourself injected with some of this shit and then you”ll be allowed to come and go, for as long as your vaccs are up to date anyway, and your credit score with the bank is okay, and you’ve not said anything bad on social media lately, etc, etc.

391081 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bigade, 2, #631 of 1914 🔗

Yes, I am wondering if I will ever see my family again… I was forced to get a test (ie submit my DNA) in order to get back into Sweden, but I had no choice as all my stuff (and my current ‘life’) is here.. at some point I would have had to come back to retrieve things, whatever I decide to do long-term..
It does seem that the aim is to now ‘lock’ people where they are until they have the vaccine passports in place. The original EU commission plan for the rollout of immunity passports was 2022 but I guess they could be bringing it forward now that there is more resistance from the people than they maybe were expecting?

390913 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 63, #632 of 1914 🔗

Oh dear, just had a row with a customer. She asked how I was, I told her. And can you believe she actually said perhaps I will feel better when the weather improves. Yes, because having my liberty and freedom forcibly removed always feels sooooo much better when the sun is shining.

In other news, the bastards have put back the bandstand cordon.

390922 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 18, #633 of 1914 🔗

Oh dear. Sometimes people just don’t know what to say and say entirely the wrong thing.

Perhaps other people will only realised the situation is really bad when they are still in lockdown and the sun is shining.

390925 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 12, #634 of 1914 🔗

People have absolutely no effing clue do they? I suspect the lockdown isn’t really affecting her.

390929 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 9, #635 of 1914 🔗

That is deliberate provocation, when other police forces and councils are being considerate and respectful to the public.

390939 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 10, #636 of 1914 🔗

That’s what I was just telling the customer. But she wouldn’t have it that we are being singled out. And she quite clearly thought I’d lost the plot when I told her about the resident ‘photographer’ …

390944 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 5, #637 of 1914 🔗

Some good citizens will take down the barriers again. I hope.

390945 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 8, #638 of 1914 🔗

Hopefully members of our … ahem book club will do the honours!

390962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to kh1485, 7, #639 of 1914 🔗

Know what you mean. Personally I have always loved the winter for its visiting cafes with a good book, country pubs after a walk, trips to the cinema etc. Hate the way that come the summer everyone will be rejoicing st being outside! What about us indoor types!!

392281 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, #640 of 1914 🔗

SW seems to be turning into the capital of Airstrip One.

390990 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #641 of 1914 🔗

Jesus wept. Does she seriously think that lockdown will look better because the sun’s shining?

Methinks she needs her head examined.

390997 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #642 of 1914 🔗

Oh yes, Bart. Because when the sun shines all this dystopian nastiness and loss of liberty and freedom and stuff just goes away!

391045 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 11, #643 of 1914 🔗

I think they really believe when the sun is out they will be magically released. Summer will be the end. No its another 2 months to break the virus. They feel OK because nothing has changed for a lot of silver tops. Shops twice a week, occasionally chats with their kids, rare visits. Lunch in tesco occasionally. And the bbc for strictly bake off on ice. Mustn’t grumble.

391108 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #644 of 1914 🔗

You’ve summed it up perfectly. Let’s just see how happy they are when their income is threatened.

392279 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Spikedee1, #645 of 1914 🔗

I love the “strictly bake off on ice”. Brilliant.

391162 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 5, #646 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s important not to pretend we’re OK when we’re not

It’s a good opening gambit to discussing dissenting views

390915 nickbowes, 7, #647 of 1914 🔗

I did not see much over the weekend but i `m guess the “Great Re-opening” was not quite such… they best keep their powder dry for the more realistic March 23rd passing.

390918 John001, 13, #648 of 1914 🔗

R4 seems to have 30 mins. on ‘vaccine ambassadors’.

Cure: Press the OFF button.

F*** the BBC.

390920 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #649 of 1914 🔗

Some excellent articles in todays LS, I particularly like this one…

A Rebuttal of Christopher Snowdon’s Critique of Dr Mike Yeadon
”Snowdon wrote that Yeadon “did not draw the obvious conclusion that if the false positive rate of the PCR test was 0.8 percent, the ONS should find positives at least 0.8 percent of the time”. Snowdon may think that is an obvious conclusion, but unfortunately that just reveals his scientific and statistical ignorance . As I will show, what Snowdon thinks is an “obvious conclusion” is actually false.”

There were many, including Mayo, who seemed confused by the ”obvious conclusion”.

390940 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 10, #650 of 1914 🔗

To be fair, the application of Bayesian analysis is counter-intuitive for anyone without statistical knowledge.

But anyone making statistical pronouncements looks stupid if they haven’t got their head around a key piece of understanding – let alone simpler concepts such as absolute and relative risk.

390947 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 5, #651 of 1914 🔗

There is a word for someone who claims to know when their “knowledge” is based on fundamental ignorance: arrogance.

390959 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to RickH, 2, #652 of 1914 🔗

I find pregnancy tests in men is quite helpful ie prevalence zero false positive rate 100% even the test fails positive rate is 0.5%

391137 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Niborxof, 2, #653 of 1914 🔗

Do you have a link to any info on this? If 100k men took a pregnancy test would 500 positives be expected? That would be really interesting.

391129 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #654 of 1914 🔗

Have you seen the Bayes Lines SQL tool put out by Kevin Mckernan, Rick?

https://zenodo.org/record/4459271

Looks very easy to use and provides some good inference as to the extent of False Positives and Negatives. Still to be peer reviewed though so a few gaps

390941 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 7, #655 of 1914 🔗

Mayo says he is opposed to lockdowns, but everything else he says is against anything anyone says to oppose lockdowns. Mayo is a mystery.

390960 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #656 of 1914 🔗

I think I understand his position to be that we should focus on the core of our case – opposition to lockdowns – and stay away from commenting on herd immunity and vaccines as it weakens our case

I can see his point, though I don’t agree with it

390974 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 3, #657 of 1914 🔗

I think you are being charitable to the nth degree. I would find your interpretation much more credible if he wrote posts on the harms of lockdowns, which are legion.

391011 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, #658 of 1914 🔗

Well thanks though I am not known for being charitable

Maybe he feels the harms of lockdowns are already well enough documented

391039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 1, #659 of 1914 🔗

I like Mayo’s contributions, but he comes across to me as arrogant and dismissive to others who see things in a different way such as Yeadon and Gupta – they both have asked for scientific discussion, which seems more scientific than the attacking, mud slinging and avoidance of debate tactics perused by the lockdown loving scientists.

The first post of Mayo’s I read (months ago) was quite aggressive towards Yeadon and Gupta, I commented at the time ”whatever floats your boat”

391158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, #660 of 1914 🔗

Sometimes the style isn’t the greatest, but to be fair I think some here are overly harsh on him – he engages, and tries to argue his case

391305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Julian, #661 of 1914 🔗

I can see his point, kind of. There are two parts to the question “are lockdowns needed to stop the spread of the virus?”

1) Do lockdowns work? (where Mayo is presumably focused)
2) Is this a virus worth stopping? (where the focus on the bollocks of data on death, testing etc is – and where a lot of us have our doubts)

I think the answer to both is “no”, based on the evidence as I see it. And a lot of people clearly think “yes” to both. Mayo perhaps thinks “no” and “yes”.

I’m feeling very dispassionate about it today. I think the majority of people who answer “yes” to question 2 are governed by fear. I have no fear of this virus. I have no wish to catch it and take vitamin D supplements. But that’s all I am prepared to do.

Quite why people think it’s OK to hide indoors of this terrible virus but NOT supplement their vitamin intake baffles me totally.

391331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, 1, #662 of 1914 🔗

I think Mayo is usually worth reading and prevents this site from becoming too much of an echo chamber. By presenting contrary views he encourages others to sharpen up their arguments.

391024 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #663 of 1914 🔗

I’m surprised that someone embracing scepticism gets so wound up about someone expressing a contrary opinion.

I thought the herd mentality was what this site opposed.

390928 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 43, #664 of 1914 🔗

I think I just heard this right.
BBC R4 News 11am.

‘There are calls for visits to care homes to be resumed because after months of isolation the immune systems of elderly residents are believed to be (reduced). Visits by relatives would help to build up their immune systems’.

No really? You don’t say.

390933 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to karenovirus, 24, #665 of 1914 🔗

Fake news. The immune system has been debunked as a dangerous conspiracy theory.

390954 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to karenovirus, 19, #666 of 1914 🔗

Don’t know if it was exactly the same report but there was an item on the BBC R2 news at 11 am as well in which actress Ruthie Henshall was talking about her mother’s physical and mental decline in a care home. She said that last March she was walking and talking but four months later “after being kept isolated in a room with carers looking in every so often [presumably checking she was still alive – my thoughts! ] she was no longer walking or talking and being fed ‘mushed up food’ “.

The families of care home residents have known this since last spring, discredited experts (e.g. the gentle and compassionate Sucharit Bhakdi) have been warning of this since March, and common sense would tell anyone that this would be a consequence of the lockdown measures, but the BBC present it all self-righteously as if they are revealing some innovative discovery.

390957 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #667 of 1914 🔗

Yes, that was the one, R2 sorry.

390982 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 13, #668 of 1914 🔗

And the immune systems of children that have been without the stimulation of the herd for a third of the last year?

391054 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to karenovirus, 7, #669 of 1914 🔗

The whole talk of viruses (such as SARS-C0V-2) being enemies is totally the wrong way to think about things.

We co-exist with viruses, and it is only by encountering viruses, allowing our immune systems to deal with and learn from them, that we build up some cross-immunity to the next virus that comes along. We might still get some symptoms from the second virus but encountering the first virus helped out immune system to prepare.

SARS-CoV-2 is really only a problem in those whose immune system is seriously dysfunctional it seems. So if there are things that we can do in dealing with a natural virus, it is to improve metabolic health, vitamin D etc.

390949 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #670 of 1914 🔗

There is a news report that the Isle of Man has lifted all coronavirus restrictions;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209771/Isle-Man-lifts-lockdown-rules-pubs-schools-shops-reopen-social-distancing-scrapped.html?ito=push-notification&ci=73343&si=25332643
If true? it is at least a beacon of light in an otherwise dreary outlook. It will increase the expectation of the General Public that we are all heading that way. There is now a swell of expectation that the Government will find it hard to contain.

390969 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #671 of 1914 🔗

The thing about IOM is the politicians are
a) mainly independents and b) withing walking distance of a pitchfork mob
Works a treat

391003 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 15, #672 of 1914 🔗

The IOM was not subject to the firearm restrictions enforced on the rest of the UK either. Their citizens are still quite well armed.

391915 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to leggy, #673 of 1914 🔗

Yes, correct; likewise the Channel Islands. They weren’t stupid enough to fall for the emotional bandwagon.

391286 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #674 of 1914 🔗

Indeed! It’s long been my motto that I want anything/everything as far as possible within neck-wringing range of my home (ie so that they know I can go and neck-wring if appropriate and thus, hopefully, operate on the precautionary principle).

390972 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #675 of 1914 🔗

In the Biderman table under:

Occasional Indulgences:

*provides motivation for compliance
*hinders adjustment to deprivation
*creates hope for change, reduces resistance
*keeps people unsure of what is happening

391068 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, 1, #676 of 1914 🔗

We’ve had absolutely none of that for the past couple months. I wouldn’t mind a wee Biderman indulgence.

391074 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #677 of 1914 🔗

Conditioning needs a few carrots as well as sticks.

391004 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #678 of 1914 🔗

Also on Talk Radio news at 10am, let us hope it is right.

391017 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #679 of 1914 🔗

Are they allowing travel from the mainland without isolating though?

391026 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Silke David, 3, #680 of 1914 🔗

Silke – what a question?

What do you think?

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh. Don’t mean it like that.

391091 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #681 of 1914 🔗

Great pictures of people in pub with no masks or social distancing. Back to the old normal.

391104 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #682 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately because it’s an island it will only reinforce the zero covid brigade.

391451 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Steve Martindale, #683 of 1914 🔗

No man is an island unless he’s the Isle of Man

390951 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #684 of 1914 🔗

Headline news in the desperatiin rag The Scotsman – ” ‘I didn’t believe the virus was real’, Covid-19 patient told nurse”

I think this story was run during spring to in a different setting. There were questions asked about if the nurse was real, qed the patient.

Gotta not talk about actual news though Scotsman haven’t you. Can not afford to have affidavits and a looming collapse of government upon your government bought pages can you. What it must feel like to be a husk of a human that once was a journalist with ideals and principles.

391018 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basics, 3, #685 of 1914 🔗

I found the partisan reporting in the Scotsman over the US elections sickening. Before the inaugaration the level of brown nosing to Biden was even more blatant.

Now I don’t really care all that much for politics but a National newspaper is meant to be balanced in its reporting not a tool for spreading propaganda.

390964 Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 9, #686 of 1914 🔗

Apologies if shared before but a clear example of fear propaganda in action:

https://www.aier.org/article/the-times-wants-you-consumed-by-fear-isolation-and-misery/

391033 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 1, #687 of 1914 🔗

Very good article, as usual from AIER and Jeffrey Tucker.

390977 Julian, replying to Julian, 22, #688 of 1914 🔗

“A Happy and Free Great British Summer”
Slightly disappointed by this piece

I mean it’s fine to link to articles relevant to lockdown, and to an extent allow readers to draw their own conclusions, but to anyone visiting LS for the first time, where is the critique of what are almost certainly flat out lies or distortions from Hancock

IMO there is ZERO chance that this summer will be anything better than Tier 2. Anyone who thinks masks, SD, track and trace are going away is deluded, and anyone who thinks mass gatherings, wet pubs, crowds, private socialising etc are coming back is equally deluded – lockdown has been ongoing since March 2020

391015 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Julian, 5, #689 of 1914 🔗

Unfortunately I think you’re right. Tier 2 for the summer ready for fresh “hard” lockdowns next winter

391020 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ricky1, 3, #690 of 1914 🔗

Tier 2 might be allowed for rural regions, I suspect most major urban areas will not drop below Tier 3 at any time.

392397 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, #691 of 1914 🔗

It looks like some of you are tossing in the towel. Shame on you.

390979 Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 8, #692 of 1914 🔗

Excellent read if you have not done so already:

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/01/27/does-lockdown-work-or-not/

390983 Binra, 5, #693 of 1914 🔗

When a mind is baited into investing in a narrative deceit, it is similar to assigning and insoluble problem to a computer which results in a crash, loop or a hang such that the engagement operates a loss of function to ‘garbage’ in as garbage out.

There is NO dialogue or reasoned process of discovery going on between a weaponised narrative assertion and those questioning its veracity. And the narrative operates as an expression of globally orchestrated Banking and Corporate financial leverage, or indeed capture of trusted institutions. This can be obvious. For the whole thing could be snuffed in a few days if it was NOT deemed to be serving their interests.

This suggests that the ‘covidian cult’ is leveraging as cover story for the management of the public as a sealed system of owned assets to which they are denied access or right to question, challenge or change. In this sense we are being ‘made safe’ or neutralised, and they – or their mouthpieces – are being honest with us.

The nature of an offer is to engage a contractual consent.
The new social contract on offer is the abnegation of or ‘freedom from’ responsibility to anything but what the ‘State’ dictates compliance to, under premise of being made safe from whatever it designates as the threat, at whatever level of always changing threat, and with whatever tiers of permitted freedoms, as the ‘State’ determines and mandates.

Life taken out of its living context and experimented on so as to engineer outcomes for the purpose of indulging private fantasies, is the contract to inhuman nightmare given permission by subscription. Death is not the worst outcome and survival is not in and of itself purpose for living. For what we call death is part of the temporal nature of our human experience no matter what meanings we give to our experience by which we have our reward.

The world of change does not give us any meaning but what we first give to our world but then suffer as if at the hand of another or circumstance. the weaving of narratives by which to evade, delay and mask over fundamental change reveals itself as ‘anti-life – that is as actively undermining and attacking the conditions for life – under the dictate for ‘protecting the Model, the System, derived from self-image set in its ‘will to power’ but cast in its own Net unknowing.

To question what seems to be the reality to which you adapted requires owning and moving through your fears from a true willing acceptance of connection and communication within Life – and not apart and set over it in distance, distrust and active denial masked as virtue.

The Call to Life and joy in being, is as loud as your willingness to hear it. But will not coerce or violate your choice as to what you WANT to hear. And so in a sense its stands at the door and knocks, to your readiness to share it, for that is the nature and condition of living, as distinct from gratifying or seeking life in fantasy that fails and fails and fails to fulfil or recognise and reveal you to yourself – and in fear of Life is why we look everywhere ELSE for answer as a way of NOT finding – while masking as the search for answer in a world where conflicts go forth and multiply as ‘solutions’.

390995 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 43, #694 of 1914 🔗

This is a very middle class lockdown.I am alright mate,”I work at home on my laptop,saving loads of dosh,not travelling,I do not do pubs etc.
Downside,bloody kids are at home,have to spend time with them.
I know people who think this.

391006 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dartford44, 17, #695 of 1914 🔗

It is an assault on the working class
Not by the middle class per say but they are the more than willing collaborators
It will not end well for them

391016 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, -2, #696 of 1914 🔗

Another noddy generalisation. 77th Brigade can put it’s feet up today.

391047 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 1, #697 of 1914 🔗

seethe and dilate

391539 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #698 of 1914 🔗

Talking about anal swabs again?

Titter…

391010 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dartford44, 1, #699 of 1914 🔗

Noddy generalisations like this based on the distortion of one aspect of this are meat and drink to 77th Brigade etc.

391101 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to RickH, 10, #700 of 1914 🔗

It may be a generalisation but I would say there is some truth to it. Of course there are plenty of middle class people who disagree with it, those that have some compassion and empathy for others. However, a lot of the people furloughed are in the lower income bracket, hospitality, shop work, gyms. These are also the jobs that are likely to be lost at the speed of knots. My siblings fall into the bracket that Dartford44 mentions, to be quite honest I avoid them at all costs now. Maybe never having any money to speak of has made me a nicer person!, one thing is for sure, it has made me less susceptible to bull shit.

391025 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Dartford44, 18, #701 of 1914 🔗

I’m very much middle class. Our income is much reduced as only one in 3 of the adults in our household can work. We can manage however, especially with nothing to spend our money on. But I HATE lockdown with every fibre of my being. I break what rules I can but with none of the things I enjoy doing open to me, that’s very little.

391059 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to WasSteph, 11, #702 of 1914 🔗

Sort of the same here. I grew up in a ‘working class’ family but I suppose I have been in the ‘middle class’ income bracket for some time now. If you looked at my house you would probably think ‘middle class’. But, my income has halved compared to the pre-madness times. Like you, we’re managing fine for now because there is nothing to spend the money on and my wife is still working full time, but life is so dull and the future is very uncertain. I despise this nonsense.

There are plenty of working and middle class types who are quite supportive of lockdowns, and vice versa. I don’t personally see that much of a trend in my everyday life.

390996 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #703 of 1914 🔗

Lorraine Kelly ‘really worried’ for Captain Tom as she compares him to her grandad
Snappy Daily Record

Actress for tax reasons Lorraine Kelly, who plays Lorraine Kelly on national television everyday, shapes nation’s thinking about poor bugger in hospital who never agreed to be used in such a manipulative way.
Not Daily Record.

391179 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Basics, 6, #704 of 1914 🔗

How long does she think humans normally live for? Reminds me of that autobiography years ago by a 100-year-old woman. It was titled “My First Hundred Years”.

391280 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to richmond, 1, #705 of 1914 🔗

Quite! If I land up going on into my 90’s even then I want A Word with the Almighty (and it will not be praise and thanks).

391457 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Basics, 3, #706 of 1914 🔗

I arranged travel for her once. Not a pleasant experience,

391002 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #707 of 1914 🔗

This may have been reported here already. Can’t see any mention in the UK press. Is it related to recent protests?

Italy to reopen bars and restaurants in 16 regions https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/152004/italy-to-reopen-bars-and-restaurants-in-16-regions/

The regions, which include Latium (Rome) and Lombardy (Milan), will shift from orange to yellow in the country’s health-risk classification, based mainly on COVID-19 infection levels.
In these areas, seated service will be allowed in bars, cafés and restaurants during the day, although from 6:00 PM, they will have to revert to delivery and take-away. Museums will also be allowed to reopen.
However, the curfew remains in effect from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. each night and travel between regions is still banned.

391086 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to godowneasy, 8, #708 of 1914 🔗

I posted this tweet fairly late yesterday:-

https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1355862221851664385?s=19

“Tomorrow almost all of Italy down to tier 1. Italian politicians know that they must open sooner rather than later as Italians are not “doing as told” and recent revolutions are there to remind them.”

391012 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #709 of 1914 🔗

https://twitter.com/SteveBigpond/status/1355989032925188097

A very interesting twitterthread about testing. Discussing the term clinical false pos. Two tests exclude infectivity. Australia strict in its interpretation of test but it is easier in a non mass testing situation like UK. Highly recommended thread.

391079 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to swedenborg, 1, #710 of 1914 🔗

Oz (and NZ) want to to keep their positives low and accurate. UK wants to do the opposite!
But their ‘zero Covid’ stance is surely doomed…

391110 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #711 of 1914 🔗

Interesting comment re. LFT being better at identifying the more highly infectious individuals.

391013 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 8, #712 of 1914 🔗

The lockdowns will not stop until furlough (or should I call them UBI payments) will not stop.

391019 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TheClone, 7, #713 of 1914 🔗

are the people are furlough potentially the first to join the ”own nothing – be happy” scheme?

391116 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Major Panic, 2, #714 of 1914 🔗

That’s the idea! They cannot increase the interest rate (in EU, US, UK or Japan) because the economy will stall and in the same way they cannot stop the furlough payments because the unemployment reality will be very ugly. So, keep on lockdowns, they people are anyway happy to go along.

391021 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 23, #715 of 1914 🔗

A thought. Back in the 1980s, when HIV and Aids became known to the world, even after the characteristics of the disease and its transmission became known, a significant number of gay men continued to behave very recklessly, being very promiscuous with multiple partners etc. Even Freddie Mercury, much as I love him as an entertainer, undoubtedly infected a large number of young men given his habits, some or all of whom died as a result. (I don’t remember this point being made in the recent film).

We were told at the time that to express any disapproval or concern over this was immoral, discriminatory and victim blaming. Yet many of the same people who take this line are now, today, directly blaming people who shake hands with an acquaintance or drive five miles to exercise in a field, for the death of people whom they’ve never met and who live hundreds of miles away.

Puzzling.

391055 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #716 of 1914 🔗

It’s possible that AIDS was generally considered as a gay persons disease so people had a different view of it, i.e. it’s their problem.

Coronavirus is now everyone’s problem so views are skewed accordingly.

In recent years AIDS has fallen off the radar presumably relegated to a third world problem, i.e. once again it’s somebody else’s problem

391076 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #717 of 1914 🔗

The hand of fauci is involved with AIDS.

392398 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nobody2021, #718 of 1914 🔗

Don’t forget the contribution of the bisexuals.

391271 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #719 of 1914 🔗

In 1980 Dr Judy Mikovits collaborated with Dr Frank Ruscetti and helped him replicate the work of French virologist, Luc Montagnier to isolate the HIV virus. Fauci, who was her boss delayed publication of their paper for 6 months to let his protégé, Robert Gallo replicate, publish and take credit for their work.

Think how many lives could have been saved

https://cairnsnews.org/2021/01/15/aids-caused-by-contaminated-hepatitus-b-vaccine-dr-judy-mikovits/

391970 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #720 of 1914 🔗

It’s simple really, if you are PCR- you are the oppressor, if you are PCR + you are the oppressor AND you are a serial killer. If you are PCR+ with symptoms, you are the victim.

391023 richmond, replying to richmond, 44, #721 of 1914 🔗

I don’t know about anyone else, but I am done with people treating me like I’m stupid.

For the first time in history everyone in the world is being expected to have an unlicensed injection which will modify their DNA. And this includes young people who are unaffected by the not very unusual virus that is going round, and who therefore cannot possibly need a vaccine for it. And this is all so obviously reasonable that I am stupid to question it?

I don’t believe it’s an intelligence issue, anyway. I think it has to do with a desire for conformity that is really a form of cowardice. Rational thought and a
desire for the truth should come first.

Now I feel contempt for most of the people I know. Not a nice thought.

391036 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richmond, 18, #722 of 1914 🔗

I don’t blame you. I’m done with my family now for awhile and have stepped back from Arsebook.

This crisis has revealed many people’s true faces and many of them are not pretty.

391060 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #723 of 1914 🔗

I feel the same about FB – in the group for Brits living in Sweden 99% of people seemed to be covidiots and are trying their hardest to get Sweden to take the same measures as the UK – it’s crazy, and I can’t be doing with it, so I no longer even go into my account if I can help it!

391102 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Carrie, 5, #724 of 1914 🔗

I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that the Swedish constitution prevents them from stripping the civil liberties away from the population? other wise they would have been all in

391124 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #725 of 1914 🔗

Yes, to an extent that is true. But the initial strategy was a result of the way certain systems here are set up and who is responsible for what. The Public Health Authority is not under the direct control of the government, hence why Anders Tegnell was in charge. A political is not qualified to make decisions regarding health, because he is unlikely to have the correct qualifications. Swedes are very hot on people not doing jobs they are not qualified for!
They cannot tinker with the constitution until next year, I believe…

391494 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 1, #726 of 1914 🔗

If I was running 77, that group would be a prime target …

391170 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #727 of 1914 🔗

It’s shocking, isn’t it? People you thought you knew.

391051 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to richmond, 24, #728 of 1914 🔗

Hear, hear. There is nothing so depressing as hearing people gleefully comparing their vaccine stories as I have just now.

I mentioned the other day that people wear their illnesses like a badge of honour and now they are wearing their vaccine status in a similar way.

As far as I see it, we really are living in a two-tier society (though not in the way *they* want us to). I’ve never felt so much like withdrawing from society as I do now.

391169 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to kh1485, 5, #729 of 1914 🔗

Exactly. I feel like there’s us and there’s the Eloi. The difference is that the Eloi were pleasant.

391492 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richmond, -2, #730 of 1914 🔗

They’re certainly fucking stupid, richmond. But holding them in contempt for that isn’t mandatory. 🙂

391032 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #731 of 1914 🔗

DM: NHS will take MONTHs to return to normal after Covid pandemic because ‘exhausted and traumatised’ staff need a break, health boss warns

WHAT?? What is it with these out of touch people?

How could staff be traumatised or exhausted?

  • Half of the NHS is social distancing at home – that is on holiday
  • Hospitals are at 60% capacity
  • Deaths are less
  • Etc
391049 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Victoria, 20, #732 of 1914 🔗

My brother is a theatre nurse and he readily admits he has done sweet FA for MONTHS.

391063 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to sophie123, 17, #733 of 1914 🔗

‘theatre nurse’

That term has taken on a new meaning since this all began.

391070 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to sophie123, 21, #734 of 1914 🔗

A good friend is in nhs and palliative cancer work. They have been put through the grinder emotionally. Doing little to nothing is chewing them up, knowing the lockdown, masks and distancing are all harmful. In addition they the are a person of religion and their religious institutions have entirely failed them.

They have been deeply harmed – and no they don’t have a self centered attitude to what they are going through. They are unable to care and that is aging them in front of my eyes.

391486 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #735 of 1914 🔗

I’m sure it’s correctly woke, but whenever I see ‘they’ I assume it’s a plural. You sold out, Basics ? 🙂

391792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #736 of 1914 🔗

Just keeping themselves to themselves – seems polite as private individual.

391056 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 15, #737 of 1914 🔗

He’s that pointless back of wind JHB ripped to bits a few weeks ago. He is an apologist for, and denier of, NHS management incompetence – that is the real reason for this life destroying lockdown

391064 ▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 11, #738 of 1914 🔗

I was chatting, back in late June, to a couple of doctors who have kids in my daughter’s class. They freely admitted they had done nothing for three months but things were now getting busier.

391117 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 2, #739 of 1914 🔗

There is considerably greater activity than was the case in April.

391097 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Victoria, 7, #740 of 1914 🔗

I call bullshit on this! As far as I can tell with numerous cancelled appointments for regular assessments and consultations most of the NHS have simply fucked off to hide in the long grass and haven’t been redeployed to A&E and ICU because they don’t have the requisite training.

I don’t deny that there are some that will need the opportunity to decompress. Hell, I’ve been involved in “high tempo” operations myself in the past so I understand the need for decompression time but that’s why there should be the ability to rotate staff through roles to allow that to happen.

391115 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 5, #741 of 1914 🔗

Not this prick again.

391438 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 2, #742 of 1914 🔗

This guy with his idiotic BBC playschool graph of bollocks that he used to prop up his bullshittery to JHB is a moron. A nasty spitefull one at that. F this guy.

392399 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, #743 of 1914 🔗

Show us the proof Chris.

391034 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 23, #744 of 1914 🔗

Zero covid countries like Oz and NZ have effectively put their populations into a witness protection program.

Everything about your past life must be erased, all ties cut with people you knew and you must be ready to drop everything at a moments notice in case the thing you’re hiding from comes close to finding you.

391038 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #745 of 1914 🔗

Intriguing analogy!

391043 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to GCarty80, 6, #746 of 1914 🔗

I forgot to mention always living in constant fear but it’s too late to edit now.

391050 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #747 of 1914 🔗

And rushed into a Government safehouse if it does find you.

391390 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #748 of 1914 🔗

That would be more equivalent to Asian zero-Covid countries (with their use of centralized quarantine) rather than Australasia.

391112 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #749 of 1914 🔗

Have they done immunity testing among the population? I mean, they could be sitting there, like their South Asian neighbours, with plenty of immunity and not know it. All the while slapping themselves on the back for pointless measures.

391146 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #750 of 1914 🔗

I would presume so. The impression I get from following some of their scientists on SM is that they’re very anal about anything to do with this virus.

Good from a science perspective I guess but not good to focus all of life on the opinions of people with a very narrow view.

391149 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #751 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been thinking the same for months. Demographically and ethnically they have the same characteristics as European countries but their geographical location close to previous SARS outbreaks may be a factor.

391184 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #752 of 1914 🔗

Re NZ, I did read that that was where the elites were planning to escape to, which might explain the zero covid aim over there. Jacinda is a NWO puppet..

391253 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Carrie, 1, #753 of 1914 🔗

Should be obvious given the constantly fawning press coverage she receives.

391269 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Carrie, 2, #754 of 1914 🔗

NZ is where they’ve had as their escape haven for years now – so that’s nothing new – but would help to explain this.

391383 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Carrie, 3, #755 of 1914 🔗

Or more likely zero covid is more doable in NZ due to pretty much the same (mostly geographical) factors that make that country a haven for billionaire preppers in the first place.

391856 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Carrie, 1, #756 of 1914 🔗

Yes, massive numbers of the extremely-wealthy have bought property in NZ as a bolthole for the final meltdown.

391046 mj, replying to mj, 15, #757 of 1914 🔗

just listened to More or Less from Saturday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p095jclg

“A ferocious row has broken out among scientists about new coronavirus tests. Lateral flow tests provide results within minutes and some scientists believe they are offer accurate enough results at a speed that could allow us to resume business as usual. Others think they are so poor at detecting the virus that they could pose a huge danger”

A reasonable analysis. The main omission i noticed was in reference and in comparison to the PCR test where they never mentioned the issue of cycles which i think we all agree is fundamental to any analysis of PCR reliability

391053 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mj, 2, #758 of 1914 🔗

On testing, is this for real?: https://twitter.com/MoisSharf/status/1356192881392889859

Top photo I thought might be a meme, but the film underneath of the kids makes me wonder…

391061 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Carrie, 1, #759 of 1914 🔗

Hi Carrie.

What are things like in Sweden now?

391114 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to rockoman, 6, #760 of 1914 🔗

A bit crazy…. despite a 20% reduction in cases over the last week, they are introducing *more* PPE in some settings like hospital and social care. Eg not just visors, but masks AND visors…

On the other hand some places are opening up again, eg sports for kids, libraries..

The new law (in force till September) says that shops are only allowed to admit certain numbers based on the size of the premises. Shops have introduced a variety of ways of controlling entry, without (except for a few) actually having people on the doors controlling entry. One example is having a pile of numbered shopping baskets, you have to take a basket when you go in, and if there are no baskets left then you wait till someone comes out and leaves one… Or another example: you take a laminated number from a rail (where they are pegged up) when you go in – no numbers left means you can’t go in. Not seen any sign of anyone sanitising the number cards 😉

On weekdays when fewer people are around there is less need for these strategies to control entry, so I have taken to doing my shopping then 🙂

391118 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Carrie, 2, #761 of 1914 🔗

It’s not crazy at all – they need to keep the lockdowns on forever.

391134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheClone, 5, #762 of 1914 🔗

We are not locked down here!

There is a fair bit of debate at the moment as regards the rule of only 8 people being allowed at gatherings, because it means all churches are effectively shut, while supermarkets and other premises of similar sizes are allowed to open. The ruling on shops is based on the number of people per square metre, not on the necessity of food or the purchase of other items. The argument is that churches can easily arrange their inner layout to allow the same kind of spacing as in shops, and should therefore be allowed to open..

391151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 1, #763 of 1914 🔗

Is your guess that all the restrictions you have will have gone by the summer, never to return?

How much pressure is the govt under, domestically, from the covid lobby?

What’s the level of mask wearing on public transport like now that it has been recommended? Would you get stared at if you went maskless on the bus or train?

391171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 9, #764 of 1914 🔗

I’m not sure as I try to avoid the news – too stressful. But I can say that Covid is not always on the front pages of the tabloids here. The people I talk to seem to think normality or near-normality will return in the summer, once the vaccine has been rolled out (!). At the same time I do know some people who are sceptical of the vaccine and do not want it.

Mask wearing is recommended on public transport, particularly between 6-8 am and 4-6 pm. The wording on the posters on the buses is ‘Wear a mask’ – ie an instruction, even though it is not law to do so. The other day I travelled between 7 and 8.30 am and I’d say there was about 30% compliance, mostly older/frail-looking people and older teenage girls..
No one stares at the unmasked, or at least no one has stared at me – yet…
At the moment the outside temperature is minus 12 (and has been even colder), so a lot of people wear pulled-up snoods over their faces a lot outside, just to keep warm!

391204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Carrie, 2, #765 of 1914 🔗

Really good group over on Gab called Swegab
Gets lots of good anti lockdown info over their – the Swedes seem really engaged

391361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 1, #766 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for the info. Still sounds like a good option as a place to escape to

391120 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Carrie, #767 of 1914 🔗

Cheers

391138 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 2, #768 of 1914 🔗

The photos I referred to above are related to the anal swab Covid test that is supposedly now recommended..

391259 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 1, #769 of 1914 🔗

anal swab Covid test that is supposedly now recommended..

392400 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Victoria, #770 of 1914 🔗

Disgusting.

391067 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 4, #771 of 1914 🔗

PCR tests are the way they are used to justify implementation of mad and destructive policies ARE a huge danger

391083 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mj, 5, #772 of 1914 🔗

Ah just like when God and Lucifer fell out. Trouble brewing in heaven.

The victors will claim the mantle of The Science.

The losers will be forever branded the Deniers of Science.

391052 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #773 of 1914 🔗

Whenever I try and imagine how all this will be resolved, none of the alternatives seem plausible.

391071 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 13, #774 of 1914 🔗

I think the most likely is a gradual drift due to fatigue to some kind of Summer Tier 1/2, Winter Tier 3/4 situation is the most likely

I can’t see any way in which we will return to pre madness in my lifetime in the UK

391062 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 26, #775 of 1914 🔗

NHS staff have NOT been working in emergency mode for “months”. Deaths returned completely to normal in May last year and stayed that way until they rose (slightly) again in November and December.

391088 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #776 of 1914 🔗

They rose just as they do every winter!

391107 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Carrie, 9, #777 of 1914 🔗

And for some bizarre reason it seems to come as a surprise every time.

391139 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #778 of 1914 🔗

I do not remember a year that theatres were actually open for routine surgery over end December beginning January.

391145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ituex, #779 of 1914 🔗

Years ago my dad got a bronchoscopy test (under general anaesthetic) between Christmas and new year..

391157 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #780 of 1914 🔗

What I can’t understand is why the good people of Wales are not out on the street seriously demonstrating the latest three week extension to their Lockdown the reason given for which was “to give the NHS a rest”. A rest from what exactly? Routine winter pressures? So more job losses, more business closures are to be made just to give an underwhelmed NHS a rest. That is a humungous shitshow.

391227 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #781 of 1914 🔗

And the zombies are all suckered in.

391297 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #782 of 1914 🔗

But they’ve been told they’re working in emergency mode, and I assume that they had to socially distance patients and isolate every time they had a positive test and wear full PPE all summer, so they’ve been forced to work in emergency mode all summer when it wasn’t necessary. Therefore creating an emergency situation where there wasn’t one before, and creating a knackered pissed off work force.

This is in defence of the NHS per se, more the ridiculous rules that have been foisted upon them and created far more issues than they solved.

391416 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #783 of 1914 🔗

In the sense that all care & diagnostics that the NHS normally provides has been shitcanned, it is emergency mode.

391072 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 15, #784 of 1914 🔗

The German mathematician who resigned from Leopoldina has delivered the other piece of the non-shielding puzzle in May already:
By not allowing the virus to rip through the population under age 50 in the first wave and during the summer, we made the elderly even more vulnerable in the second wave.
Even he couldn’t assume that we were still unwilling to institute proper protective policies fir them by the autumn in purely ideological grounds, the desire to avoid a two-tiered society (Merkel).

391084 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 3, #785 of 1914 🔗

The two-tired society is obviously caused by the objective fact that one subset of the population is particularly vulnerable.

A two-tiered problem would require a two-tier response.

391090 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 11, #786 of 1914 🔗

Indeed

The response to the virus has been 100% political

There’s not really been much interest in finding the best approach from a public health perspective, beyond a handful of countries/US states

The politicians are truly wicked

391128 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, 7, #787 of 1914 🔗

I’m part of the too-tired society … a sub-section of the can’t-be-arsed committee.

391309 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to JayBee, #788 of 1914 🔗

Will you please get a grip – there has been no second wave!

391085 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 89, #789 of 1914 🔗

Really not a good day today. At an all time low. This time last year we were just landing in Barbados for our first Caribbean cruise. Had a wonderful time, one of our best ever. I know it’s this date because we booked the same cruise for this year and even booked our 21 yo daughter to come with us and to snorkel with me and drink rum punch on a schooner sailing to a small island with sand so fine.
Should have flown out yesterday. Instead I am stuck in this fucking shithole country watching it piss down on a bunch of no nothing cunts who think the government is doing a fantastic job in trying times. What the fuck am I living for. I have committed no crime but I cannot see my point of view mirrored in the msm. The bbc are the biggest bunch of propaganda pricks I have ever seen. Do some research and challenge the narrative that’s supposed to be your fucking job.
Sorry for the cussing not in a good place today!

391096 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Spikedee1, 10, #790 of 1914 🔗

If that’s how you’re feeling don’t listen to LBC. They just had a phone in discussing how great it is ghat Perth went into lockdown over a single case

391676 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #791 of 1914 🔗

Was it that dreadful Shelagh Fogarty? if her picture is representative, I can see why she is shit scared of the virus. Preaching about “the rules” all the time, but step away from the biscuit tin? ohhhh no couldn’t do that.

391100 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #792 of 1914 🔗

Barbados is a lovely place. Bridgetown is busy but great to hang out in the beaches. I sailed to there 15 years ago

391126 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Spikedee1, 34, #793 of 1914 🔗

Instead I am stuck in this fucking shithole country watching it piss down on a bunch of no nothing cunts who think the government is doing a fantastic job in trying times.

Couldn’t have put it any better myself. It is my belief that the UK is going to end up being one of the most oppressive places in the world to live. It’s been coming for years as well, Covid is merely the conclusion of decades of descent into the abyss of totalitarianism.

391153 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richard O, 13, #794 of 1914 🔗

Actually, at the moment I would part agree with you given the gross incompetence of our Government and even grosser incompetence of the Opposition. However, I do tend to err much more on Toby’s side inasmuch as this Government are seriously incompetent. They are a bunch of complete and utter well educated idiots who don’t have a good brain cell between them. The same can be said of Witless, Unbalanced and SAGE generally. This is about Power and Greed – they have all lined their own and friends and family’s pockets to the tune of billions from all of this.

Yes, they might well be working towards the ethos of the Great Reset (which Putin has just blown out of the water by the way) but they haven’t got a clue about what is required, how to implement it, what is required in terms of the structure and fabric of society and many other factors. So, they think they are sitting pretty and clever with all of this but they are not because what, in essence, we will be left with is a 2nd world poor country with mass poverty because we are one of the most expensive countries in the world in which to live on every economic level. Inflation is on the rise and set to rocket. The British economy is now the worst in the developed world. There will be no Great Reset – just descent into a 2nd world poor country. No more no less.

391181 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #795 of 1914 🔗

Widespread crushing poverty goes hand in hand with massively increased state power. The former is unsustainable without the latter.

391219 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #796 of 1914 🔗

There will be no Great Reset – just descent into a 2nd world poor country. No more no less.”

Why not? We are well on the way already. Dolores Cahill reckons the mnra “vaccines” will end up killing people (as does Judy Mikovits). So we’ll crash into a slave state.

That is unless we do something about it. The “Great Reopening” could be rescheduled for Easter and there should be no going back.

391144 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Spikedee1, 10, #797 of 1914 🔗

Same here

You’re living for yourself and your daughter and other loved ones, staying healthy and sane ready for the time when the war is won

391196 ▶▶ iane, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #798 of 1914 🔗

Well, like they say – You are NOT alone!

391443 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Spikedee1, 11, #799 of 1914 🔗

The UK Really is a shit hole. It’s been a dysfunctional shit hole for a long time even before the scamdemic. Now it’s a totalitarian fascist shit hole.

No holidays?
Time for the normies to wake up and smell the shit.

391098 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #800 of 1914 🔗

Are respiratory disease causing viruses more prevalent in the winter because they like their summer holiday – or are they lurking around all summer but our immune systems have ample natural vitamin D available during the summer months to create a type of ‘summer herd immunity’? Could everyone taking vitamin D supplements during the winter months create a type of ‘winter herd immunity”?

391113 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 6, #801 of 1914 🔗

Vit D is certainly a factor.

Humidity as well. When humidity is lower, aerosols are stable in the air.

391123 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, 2, #802 of 1914 🔗

I read on here yesterday that vitamin D can help counter the negative effects of 5G technology- their sales will be going through the roof!

391165 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jos, #803 of 1914 🔗

what are the negative effects of 5G?

391212 ▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Major Panic, #804 of 1914 🔗

Penetrating electromagnetic radiation up to 39ghz. To put that into perspective microwave ovens are about 2.5ghz.

391244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #805 of 1914 🔗

ouch!

391411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 1, #806 of 1914 🔗

And visible light from the sun is 400-800THz. 160,000 more times energetic. Oh noes!

391864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #807 of 1914 🔗

Fuck it. Think I’m gonna get a tailored tin foil suit and go out in style.

391585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, #808 of 1914 🔗

Facebook everywhere you go?

391177 ▶▶ Will, replying to Major Panic, 3, #809 of 1914 🔗

Think back to all the outbreaks in Abattoirs and food factories over the summer. I do also think prisons are a significant vector for disease and the first thing you notice in prison, apart from the smell is how translucently pale the white prisoners are.

391209 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Will, 2, #810 of 1914 🔗

I believe there have only been 47 deaths “with” Covid in UK prisons against a much higher forecast from you know who?

391358 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #811 of 1914 🔗

2700, I think, was Ferguson’s scribble.

391099 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 18, #812 of 1914 🔗

Holidays abroad are no longer allowed.

Emigration is still an option.

391265 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to rockoman, 2, #813 of 1914 🔗

As in emigrate – and then change your mind after 2 weeks?

391635 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to rockoman, #814 of 1914 🔗

Belarus, Tanzania, Sweden. Maybe some other countries will pull collective heads out of rectums and stand up for freedom to attract people and capital. A winning strategy.

391109 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 42, #815 of 1914 🔗

Just seen this. Thought it might be appreciated here..

391475 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #816 of 1914 🔗

Is that Clark Kent Variant and his later ego Superbug?

391119 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 15, #817 of 1914 🔗

Economic lockdowns are only for the sake of the economy not our health.

This feels like a cold war to me.

Liquidity traps, threats to Dollar hegemony, rise of China.

Just how long can they string out a health crisis whilst fixing a mathematically failing International Monetary and Financial system?

23 August 2019
Mark Carney – prescient warnings just before the health crisis:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/speech/2019/the-growing-challenges-for-monetary-policy-speech-by-mark-carney.pdf

13 March 2020
Suspicious timing of repo markets, stock markets, viral scapegoats:

https://www.tradersmagazine.com/am/is-the-coronavirus-really-behind-the-stock-market-crash/

I’m curiously wondering whether the current silver rush is a false flag, naive attempt or winning strategy to help in bringing this ugly period to an end.

391155 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #818 of 1914 🔗

The silver short has always been a thing –
Max Keiser was prattling on about it in 2010
it’s the easiest way to bring down the banking system if the plebians start buying silver

https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/silver-coins/

391240 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #819 of 1914 🔗

Be interesting to see if they can GameStop the 8 big Ag shorters such as Merryll Lynch.

391268 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 3, #820 of 1914 🔗

Mark Carney’s Bank of England speech:


The Bank of England and other regulators have been clear that unlike in social media, for which standards and regulations are only now being developed after the technologies have been adopted by billions of users, the terms of engagement for any new systemic private payments system must be in force well in advance of
any launch.

As a consequence, it is an open question whether such a new Synthetic Hegemonic Currency (SHC) would be best provided by the public sector, perhaps through a network of central bank digital currencies. Even if the initial variants of the idea prove wanting, the concept is intriguing. It is worth considering how an SHC in the IMFS could support better global outcomes, given the scale of the challenges of the current IMFS and the risks in transition to a new hegemonic reserve currency like the Renminbi .

An SHC could dampen the domineering influence of the US dollar on global trade. If the share of trade invoiced in SHC were to rise, shocks in the US would have less potent spillovers through exchange rates, and trade would become less synchronised across countries. By the same token, global trade would become more sensitive to changes in conditions in the countries of the other currencies in the basket backing the SHC.

The dollar’s influence on global financial conditions could similarly decline if a financial architecture developed around the new SHC and it displaced the dollar’s dominance in credit markets. By reducing the
influence of the US on the global financial cycle, this would help reduce the volatility of capital flows to EMEs.

Widespread use of the SHC in international trade and finance would imply that the currencies that compose its basket could gradually be seen as reliable reserve assets, encouraging EMEs to diversify their holdings of safe assets away from the dollar. This would lessen the downward pressure on equilibrium interest rates and help alleviate the global liquidity trap .

Putting something this disruptive in place requires a co-ordinated disruption globally, hence the lockdowns.

Well that’s my theory.

391449 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 1, #821 of 1914 🔗

Well, the banks, the IMF, insurers like AXA have all been balls deep in blockchain technology. Hell, even Davos Darling Peter Theil put up the money to fund Etherium. Infact, the idea of crypto currency was being taken very seriously by the NSA in the 90s:

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Interestingly, one of the foremost researchers is a Mr Tatsuaki Okamoto. Sort of a familiar sounding name, sounds a lot like…. Satoshi Nakamoto? Hmm..

391121 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 18, #822 of 1914 🔗

So there is now going to be “urgent testing” for the new SA variant. Is there actually any proof that this SA variant is anymore dangerous than our homegrown versions? What happens if you decline this urgent testing? Can you even decline? And what is going to happen to people found to have the SA variant that does not already happen to people who have some other variety of Covid? Summary execution?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55889391

391125 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Chicot, 9, #823 of 1914 🔗

Kill all people and the virus and its variants will disappear as well.

391135 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheClone, 2, #824 of 1914 🔗

Excellent solution!

391150 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to TheClone, 3, #825 of 1914 🔗

Don’t give them ideas!

391195 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to pvenkman, 3, #826 of 1914 🔗

It’s in the works.

391161 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to TheClone, 9, #827 of 1914 🔗

That was the plan from Ferguson, King and Blair to deal with Foot and Mouth. 15 million dead, healthy animals before the army said enough is enough.

391251 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheClone, 1, #828 of 1914 🔗

Please don’t. All it would take to make it a reality is a Ferguson dodgy model to say that euthenizing 50 million people in the UK would save 70 million from Corona.

391402 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheClone, 2, #829 of 1914 🔗

At the moment, I’m okay with this. Meteor strike or total nuclear wipeout. Either is good.

I don’t mind taking one for the team if the whole of humanity is going to get wiped out, because 90% deserve it.

391127 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Chicot, 9, #830 of 1914 🔗

Covid is now a franchise. It’s going to be coming back in more reincarnations than Jason Vorhees from the Friday the 13th films.

391132 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Chicot, 5, #831 of 1914 🔗

Sure the more pertenant question would be, is there any proof that it actually exisrs?

391133 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Chicot, 15, #832 of 1914 🔗

They don’t bloody give up do they? It’s a very clever virus that has hopped over two continents, missing out all the countries in between and arrived intact in the UK isn’t it? As far as I can tell, South Africa are not in Lockdown and are restrictions ‘light’. This is just another blatant lie by the Government in order to extend the powers they have given themselves and are now really reluctant to relinquish. I guess the number of people taking these nonsense tests has dramatically declined so they need something else to come up with in order to keep their ‘casedemic’ going. It is now not just a ponzi scheme of lies but most definite Government overreach at a time it’s no longer warranted. Now that would be grounds for a Judicial Review.

391203 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #833 of 1914 🔗

BBC R2 News exitedly reporting an outbreak of S.A. mutant in Surrey with people who’ve never been to S.A. !
Extra heavy lockdown now in place there apparently.

391136 ▶▶ jos, replying to Chicot, 4, #834 of 1914 🔗

Just heard they’re going door to door to test people..

391142 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jos, 12, #835 of 1914 🔗

They’ll be getting bounced off the driveway if my door gets a knock.

391405 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #836 of 1914 🔗

The jet washer is primed here.

392401 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tom Blackburn, #837 of 1914 🔗

Albert Camus. The Rebel. Great book. The Fall.

391143 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jos, 4, #838 of 1914 🔗

Can they force entry if you do not open the door?

391191 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Carrie, 3, #839 of 1914 🔗

Not yet – but give them time!!

391447 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Carrie, 1, #840 of 1914 🔗

Not yet but I’m afraid that day may come ..Today on UK Column news, they were talking about the risk posed by the six-inch nasal swabs currently in use for nasal testing and they said it’s mystifying why they’re doing that given that the test is more effective when using saliva 🤷‍♀️ 👅

391327 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to jos, #841 of 1914 🔗

Now with the rumour of the introduction of the “anal swab” I now have visions of “The Bottom Inspectors” from Viz.

391933 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #842 of 1914 🔗

Your comment is funny, but anyone who attempts that on me will get some seriously life-changing injuries.

391141 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chicot, 6, #843 of 1914 🔗

The variant business is either SAGE “talking their book” and frightening our cowardly Cabinet, or it’s the government who don’t want this to end. I hope it’s just the former. If it’s the latter we’re screwed.

391147 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 1, #844 of 1914 🔗

Actually I think it is a combination of both of these things, in which case we are doubly screwed.

391287 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, #845 of 1914 🔗

The government invented it to lock down most of the country for Christmas.

391356 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #846 of 1914 🔗

That’s what I thought at the time, and it served its purpose – why persist with it unless it’s the means by which we’re locked down forever?

391159 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Chicot, 5, #847 of 1914 🔗

Urgently testing for the next excuse for a lockdown. The last I heard there had been 55 cases since October, and yet they were saying how much more infectious it was. Cognitive dissonance!

391164 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chicot, 3, #848 of 1914 🔗

+test = off to the detention centre – do not pass go

391167 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Chicot, 12, #849 of 1914 🔗

Well they need to drive up the numbers to maintain the threat and persist with economic lockdown.

This all needs to be dragged out long enough to fix the system.

Personally, I’m expecting a sudden decrease in viral threat once something digital currency-like is in place:

https://www.investopedia.com/imf-explores-digital-currency-use-in-international-reserve-ecosystem-5093192

391168 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chicot, 5, #850 of 1914 🔗

Bring in the anal schwabs
I want to see the collaborators give their cherry to the state

391198 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #851 of 1914 🔗

Did you see the pictures I posted of this from China?

391934 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Carrie, #852 of 1914 🔗

Yes, horrifyingly.

391173 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Chicot, 7, #853 of 1914 🔗

You can decline, anything without your consent is assault an harassment. threaten them with court action.

391938 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to cloud6, #854 of 1914 🔗

Pardon? Decline?

A much improved rebuttal would be along the lines of “F*** off before your nose breaks.”

On the comments to the YouTube of that disgusting video of the Chinese demonstration, was some bloke saying “They’re just taking the piss now…”. He didn’t mean it in any light-hearted way, either.

391291 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Chicot, #855 of 1914 🔗

What test can be used to differentiate between the different variants?

391321 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Ozzie, #856 of 1914 🔗

Apparently, the ‘gold standard’ pcr can easily be adapted to identify the different strains.

391152 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #857 of 1914 🔗

The British public’s favourite passtime on a Saturday is now a vaccine. How times have changed.

391156 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #858 of 1914 🔗

Every single person who volunteers for this “vaccine” is the enemy. They are facilitating the permanent destruction of all freedoms.

And the “target” is not 13.9 million, it’s 67 million.

391180 ▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Richard O, 10, #859 of 1914 🔗

Come on Richard – it won’t be 67 million. You’re being ridiculous. Once we’ve all been done they’ll start again based on some variant or other.

391187 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to neilhartley, 6, #860 of 1914 🔗

If you are you saying my estimate of 67 million is ridiculous because it is an under-estimate, then I agree! As you rightly point out, the Covid franchise (as another commenter on here very astutely labelled it) can run and run for years with new variants/strains requiring new vaccines ad infinitum. So it’s 67 million, many times over.

391223 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richard O, 7, #861 of 1914 🔗

Considering that we have ordered 407,000,000 doses, I would imagine that the planned future is more like an annual dose of every type of vaccine they can find, until the country’s credit rating is junked.

391186 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Richard O, 13, #862 of 1914 🔗

If we all need to be injected, then so do illegal immigrants.

I predict: 1) an amnesty to get them to come forward and 2) there will be far more of them than anybody has guessed.

391398 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ossettian, #863 of 1914 🔗

Define ‘anybody’ because I’ve long suspected the true number of people in this country is north of 70M.

391272 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Richard O, #864 of 1914 🔗

Do you know how to protect a person who ‘lacks capacity’ from having the vaccine forced on them?

391160 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 18, #865 of 1914 🔗

Apologies if already posted:

1 In 7 Brits Believe There Is A Huge Coronavirus Cover-Up Involving Politicians, Scientists And Journalists
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/covid-conspiracy-theories-uk_uk_60167206c5b653f644d4895b

391176 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Basileus, 16, #866 of 1914 🔗

The question asked does not back up the claim that the people answering believe in conspiracy theories.

27% of strongly or tend to agree with:

“People need to wake up and start asking questions about coronavirus”

The article looks like an attempt at painting anybody who dares to ask questions as a nutcase.

391182 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #867 of 1914 🔗

The corporate media is owned by the billionaires, who have made trillions of dollars out of the lockdowns.

391205 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basileus, 7, #868 of 1914 🔗

This should really read 6 in 7 conspiracy theorists don’t believe there is a cover up.

391262 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #869 of 1914 🔗

I don’t think they’ve made more than a token effort to cover anything up. They know the majority is hopelessly brainwashed, so don’t need to.

391273 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 3, #870 of 1914 🔗

They have told us everything they are going to do.No one apart from a few on here are listening.

391294 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #871 of 1914 🔗

It’s astonishing how brazen they are. If people would just read what they have wrote, but no that would mean being a conspiracy theorist and we can’t be a conspiracy theorist.

391319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #872 of 1914 🔗

The modern version of far right.Used to shut down any discussion.
In May they told us no normality until a vaccine.It was there in the Nando’s chart they rolled out at one of the press conferences.No one took a blind bit of notice.Now it’s mutated to the whole world has been vaccinated.
Out only hope is that when the masses realise this in the summer there will be mass civil disobedience.

391316 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 3, #873 of 1914 🔗

Yes – but look at this :

One in five (20%) think the government “wants us to think that coronavirus is much more dangerous than it really is” while 19% agreed the government “is deliberately allowing people to die”.”

What I suspected – the disbelief cuts both ways equally, so gives no optimism about informed awareness.

391163 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #874 of 1914 🔗

I’m noticing an escalation in the use of the term:

“The virus anywhere is the virus everywhere”

It’s something Tony Blair definitely used the other day and it’s suddenly popped up numerous times in other sources.

My guess is that this will be the precursor to justifying any and all restrictions for the forseeable future.

A similar use of the term was seen on Sky News today regarding the situation in Myanmar and went along the lines of:

“A danger to democracy there is a danger to democracy everywhere”

391172 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #875 of 1914 🔗

And our “democracy” has just been proven to be bunkum. Can’t meet who you want, can’t protest, cancel culture…to think many great people died on the back of our insistence on promoting democracy globally. ffs.

391174 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #876 of 1914 🔗

That is really dystopian.

391178 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to this is my username, 6, #877 of 1914 🔗

That’s the plan!

391192 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #878 of 1914 🔗

The Expert on Jeremy Vines show just said that ‘it won’t be over until the entire world is vaccinated’.
No surprises there.

391206 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to karenovirus, 8, #879 of 1914 🔗

These people need to read the book of Revelation.

391256 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to karenovirus, 8, #880 of 1914 🔗

And if they suddenly find that the experimental gene therapy reacts with a new coronavirus in a big way and millions start dying, what will they say then?

Ooops?

391201 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #881 of 1914 🔗

A week ago the W.H.O. stated “Until we end the #COVID19 pandemic everywhere, we won’t end it anywhere”. In other words, until everyone on the planet has been jabbed.

391220 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 7, #882 of 1914 🔗

It’s a shakedown by big pharma
They have been doing the same with the transgender nonsense

391260 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #883 of 1914 🔗

Yup.

The trans stuff is and endless income stream of high-priced drugs, surgeries, and therapies for big Medicine.

391465 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #884 of 1914 🔗

I do not like the widespread exposure that Mr Blair is getting all of a sudden.
He is being groomed for an ‘official’ position.
(Well actually it is us who are being groomed…)

391166 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 4, #885 of 1914 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f24ty8uXrqA
How To Give A Hospital News Broadcast For Any UK News Show

391185 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew K, 1, #886 of 1914 🔗

We must both be their sole ‘view’ thus far

391189 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to karenovirus, 2, #887 of 1914 🔗

yep 2 views. Probably as many as BBC gets nowadays

391175 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #888 of 1914 🔗

First he was greatful for blair’s involvement, now he is out talking against the precautionary principle.

Farage

https://youtu.be/PBzlDetkYV4

Jhb talk radio 10 mins.

391348 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 2, #889 of 1914 🔗

He needs to get his act together and put 100% of his efforts behind opposing coronamadness, but he just likes being in the comfort zone of moaning about boat people. I am not overkeen on illegal immigration but frankly at this point I just don’t care

391384 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Julian, #890 of 1914 🔗

He seems to have somewhat lost the plot since he got involved with Trump – and I’m not an anti-Trumper. Pinning my hopes on Lawrence Fox, though he’s a relative tyro at the moment.

391388 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, #891 of 1914 🔗

The precautionary principle is underpinning all of this madness, so it’s the right thing to be attacking.

It’s been a pox on our society for more than 20 years, and it’s something that (AFAICT) Blair was instrumental in embedding into the way our country works.

391779 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #892 of 1914 🔗

*Grateful

391188 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #893 of 1914 🔗

Just when you think that the sheep and collaborators can’t get any more stupid!
Met a woman who’s the same age group as me (early 70’s) that I’ve spoken to before (lifetime smoker) who sounds and wheezes like a broken down accordion and blames the “young people” for not obeying the “rules” for spreading the virus. Told her that me and Mrs FP had got to travel 23 miles to Bromsgrove ( note: Bozzer, not 10 like you promised) to be vaccinated.
“Well you shouldn’t have took notice of the OFFICIAL NHS letter telling you to go 23 miles away and spreading the virus which both me and my OH haven’t got to receive a vaccine to stop “said” virus!!
Gave up and banged my head on several brick walls.
Never did ask her what she was going to do.
Local surgery says: Do not contact us under pain of death!!
I think that it might be getting to us though, as two vaccine centres we could have gone to are the Black country living museum at Dudley (25 miles away) and Leicester (59 miles away) both “supposedly” Covid “hot spots”?

391199 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #894 of 1914 🔗

Smokers (some) are an enigma to me. They’ve spent all their life smoking and usually say they don’t care if it’s unhealthy.

Then when something comes along that threatens their health they say they don’t want to die.

391218 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #895 of 1914 🔗

To be fair the old boy smokers in my local pub when it was open back in the summer are the most sceptical people I’ve come across outside this site.

391231 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #896 of 1914 🔗

Yes Jo; no offense intended to smokers, after all, how long will it be before it is outlawed (spreading Covid!)

391243 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, #897 of 1914 🔗

They all do Nobody ? Wow. I know loads of non-smokers who say daft things too.

391247 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JohnB, #898 of 1914 🔗

I know but I only said smokers and made a point of saying only some of them because the original post was about a smoker.

391258 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #899 of 1914 🔗

So we should post all the daft things some smokers and some non-smokers say ? 🙂

391264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JohnB, 1, #900 of 1914 🔗

No smokers or non smokers, just sceptics.

391279 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #901 of 1914 🔗

Same with obese people who eat junk day in, day out.

392403 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ganjan21, #902 of 1914 🔗

Stop piling on the obese, worry about what to do with all those psychotic totalitarian enthusiasts who are endlessly threatening us.

392405 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #903 of 1914 🔗

In case you were wondering, I am not obese. Far from it. Tall, slim and a daily smoker. I have weighed around 140 pounds since age 16, some 57 years ago. Look what happened to Jeremy Clarkson when he quit smoking. Gained about 30 pounds.

392402 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Nobody2021, #904 of 1914 🔗

So, I guess all the masked idiots must be smokers because it sure looks like they don’t want to die.

391190 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #905 of 1914 🔗

In case you were wondering:

https://www.howtopronounce.com/womxn

391774 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, #906 of 1914 🔗

How about

Huwomxn

391194 janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #907 of 1914 🔗

Does anyone here have any ideas of how to protect a family member who ‘lacks capacity’ and is defined as ‘extremely clinically vulnerable’ from having the jab forced on them against wishes of family? Asking for a friend.

391202 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #908 of 1914 🔗

Hi Jane I’m sorry I don’t know the answer to that one, is your friend the carer for this person or have power of attorney for them?

Also, I’m “Liam” who mentioned to you before Christmas about the possibility of using my caravan for a break with your daughter. The offer still stands if it is practical.

(I changed my name on here because I discussed my personal acquaintance with a public figure who’s a prominent lockdown fanatic and there was a possibility I could be identified if they read it).

391207 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Jo Starlin, #909 of 1914 🔗

hello again…

They investigated power of attorney and they were told they can get it for finances, but not for care.

When they asked about how they could challenge decisions about care, they were told it was ‘best interests’ decisions made by social workers and that any decision family wanted to challenge had to go to court on a case by case basis.

The person who lacks capacity has very good health, and would shrug off the virus if they got it, but is defined as ‘extremely clinically vulnerable’ because of learning difficulties etc.

391213 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to janeinthemindfield, #910 of 1914 🔗

OK, sorry I’ve reached the end of my competence on the issue now, hopefully someone here will be able to help out. Hope you are managing OK.

391230 ▶▶▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #911 of 1914 🔗

My friend knows there is no possible way of challenging this.

The courts etc have people ‘without capacity’ completely stitched up.

Families have no power once the person reaches 18.

This means our most vulnerable members of society are completely at the mercy of random social workers etc.

This is a terrible injustice that is impossible to fight unless the law is changed.

Because it only applies to a very few, no one really cares, so nothing is done to challenge these draconian laws.

The only thing my friend can appeal to is the moral position that a society is judged by how it treats its weakest members.

Denying them any protection by their family who know them best is reprehensible.

Sorry to invoke the Nazi regime, but families had to give up their vulnerable to them under the guise of soft words…

This is devastating and the scars of this will shame the whole of society in the future.

Please dont leave my friend alone with this.

391210 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #912 of 1914 🔗

Friend is terrified… family member is quite allergic to various things, but difficult to get that registered as s hard to get Doc’s appt for several years now.

Friend is terrified beautiful family member will be ruined…

391216 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Jo Starlin, #913 of 1914 🔗

I remember your very kind offer… thank you!

391236 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to janeinthemindfield, #914 of 1914 🔗

I’m in a similar situation. My father had a stroke and can’t speak. We don’t have power of attorney so can’t make decisions for him.

I think the best bet is to speak to the person’s GP or whoever is in charge of their medical treatment and raise any concerns with them. If they’re clinically vulnerable I would expect that to be taken into account but that’s just my opinion.

391298 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #915 of 1914 🔗

Thank you for your reply. Impossible to get hold of GP for a year now. Even waiting all day for several days in a row for phone calls that never come. The person is not clinically vulnerable. Young in in rude health! Defined as vulnerable because of learning difficulties… Orwellian!

391197 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 3, #916 of 1914 🔗

I went to a concert tonight, first one after a year. I don’t go out of my way to listen to his music but slim pickings and he’s relatively well known. I sorely missed concerts and did enjoy the show.

Had to sign in with QR codes and go through a temperature checker though thankfully you didn’t have to wear masks inside. It was a medium sized venue and sold out. My first thought going in was wow, people must be really late. A large pub could have fit all the people. Concerts are ‘socially distanced’ now so the row in front of you is clear and a few seats on either side.

391200 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Caramel, #917 of 1914 🔗

Where was this Caramel?

391225 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 3, #918 of 1914 🔗

I think he’s in Australia.

I would never go.

I refuse to recognize this state of affairs in any way whatsoever.

Interestingly such events in China are without SD.

391245 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to leggy, 3, #919 of 1914 🔗

She but yes, I’m in Australia in the state with the notorious lockdown. That’s what ‘elimination’ gets you.

391304 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Caramel, 2, #920 of 1914 🔗

What reasons are being given for all the restrictions if Oz is covid free? Either it is or it isn’t .

391342 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 1, #921 of 1914 🔗

Tennis from Adelaide had normalish looking sized muzzle-free crowds and players and officials generally muzzle-free, shaking hands

391651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Julian, #922 of 1914 🔗

Oh nice. How is it in Adelaide? We have to use QR code’s to check into every store and wear masks on public transport and stores.

391323 ▶▶ Will, replying to Caramel, 1, #923 of 1914 🔗

What is happening with vaccines in Australia Caramel?

391647 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Will, #924 of 1914 🔗

I had to google it. They’re going to start vaccinating people in February with most of us getting it by October. Of course that still won’t mean that we can leave the country this year. It will cost us billions.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/pm-warns-of-pandemic-debt-burden-20210131-p56y4f

392406 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Caramel, #925 of 1914 🔗

Sign in with QR codes and a temperature check? Bullshit!

391215 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 34, #926 of 1914 🔗

”Going on holiday is illegal.”
Do the words ”East Germany” ring a bell?

391217 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 22, #927 of 1914 🔗

East German citizens could travel to other Warsaw Pact countries for holidays. We can’t go anywhere. So the UK is now East Germany++.

391445 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Richard O, 9, #928 of 1914 🔗

As said before, it was much better in East Germany than here. I went to see my family in 1981 and had a 3 day piss-up/party with at least 30 people. I would be there then rather than here now.

391957 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo, #929 of 1914 🔗

you and me both.

392407 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Richard O, #930 of 1914 🔗

Thank Boris for caring about our health and safety.

391228 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Banjones, 4, #931 of 1914 🔗

It’s more like the film Escape from New York where the UK is now a prison island but there’s no Snake Plissken to save us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_New_York

The film’s storyline, set in the near-future world of 1997, concerns a crime-ridden United States, which has converted Manhattan Island in New York City into the country’s maximum-security prison. Air Force One is hijacked by insurgents and is deliberately crashed in New York City. Ex-soldier and current federal prisoner Snake Plissken (Russell) is given just 24 hours to go in and rescue the President of the United States, after which, if successful, Snake will be pardoned.

391235 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #932 of 1914 🔗

There’s a Snake Plissken in all of us. 🙂

391440 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #933 of 1914 🔗

I thought you were dead Snake.

391237 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #934 of 1914 🔗

In Ireland, going to an airport to leave the country without a reasonable excuse is now illegal and subject to a 500 Euro fine. The reasonable excuses include the following – doesn’t look that hard to get around for anyone so inclined (I might book a dental appointment somewhere warmer):

  • to leave the country if not ordinarily a resident
  • for work reasons
  • to provide the functions of an elected office holder
  • for educational reasons
  • to attend a medical or dental appointment
  • seek medical assistance for themselves or a vulnerable person
  • to attend to vital family matters (including providing care to vulnerable persons)
  • to attend a funeral
  • to fulfil a legal obligation (such as attend court)
  • child access arrangements

https://www.thejournal.ie/airport-travel-offence-5341465-Feb2021/

391238 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to godowneasy, 3, #935 of 1914 🔗

Permanent emigration is ok then.

391657 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, #936 of 1914 🔗

I was wondering that – what’s with that proviso ‘ if not ordinarily a resident’?

391267 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 8, #937 of 1914 🔗
  • “to attend a funeral”

Time to start scanning the obituary columns in Le Figaro and Corriere della Sera?

391293 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, 9, #939 of 1914 🔗

“It’s for my beloved Uncle Ahmed who meant so much to me…” *breaks down in floods of Hancockian tears and is waved onto plane by embarrassed security guard*

391410 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 3, #940 of 1914 🔗

Two weeks in Benidorm are very educationLal. Learn the Spanish for ‘fish and chips”.

392259 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to godowneasy, #941 of 1914 🔗

In Ireland, going to an airport to leave the country without a reasonable excuse is now illegal and subject to a 500 Euro fine.

What’s that, about £2-99 ?

391239 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 31, #942 of 1914 🔗

Today they’re floating an endless list of variant scares and vaccine changes and god knows what else as reason – seemingly – for never returning to ‘normal’. Well, it’s war, then. If the vaccine(s) don’t do a good enough job there’s nothing left to do apart from unlock and let nature take its course as it has for every other virus. We’d all be a lot better off if we did, but the narrative is being pushed the other way. Permanent incarceration. This has to be squashed, now. And they said the conspiracy theorists were mad. Ian Collins on Talk Radio is on one now. The Spectator has been got at. We stand. Here.

391252 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #943 of 1914 🔗

The fact that it is now being openly admitted that there will be no return to the previous way of living, even after every single person on the face of the planet has been “vaccinated”, will ultimately work in our favour. But we have many bitter and costly battles ahead before the tide begins to turn.

391290 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 13, #944 of 1914 🔗

This point alone should be enough to turn anyone. Some people’s heads seem to be deep in the sand.

391409 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 7, #945 of 1914 🔗

So be it. We fight. We win.

392255 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 1, #946 of 1914 🔗

… we have many bitter and costly battles ahead …

Or we do not.

That Buddha was a clever chap you know. Even for divine avatars, his words have an icy clarity.

“WITH OUR THOUGHTS, WE MAKE THE WORLD”.

391357 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #947 of 1914 🔗

And surprise, surprise, the South African variant (if it even exists) is now necessitating ‘mass door to door testing’ which will inevitably lead to more positives and ‘mitigating’ lockdown measures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9210159/Door-door-testing-South-African-variant-start-Surrey.html

391241 janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 10, #948 of 1914 🔗

My friend knows there is no possible way of challenging this. They have been rendered powerless to protect their vulnerable family member from the experimental vaccine.

(vaccines will be forced on family member who ‘lacks capacity’)

The courts etc have people ‘without capacity’ completely stitched up.

Families have no power make decision about the care of family members who ‘lack capacity’ once the person reaches 18.

This means our most vulnerable members of society are completely at the mercy of random social workers etc.

This is a terrible injustice that is impossible to fight unless the law is changed.

Because it only applies to a very few, no one really cares, so nothing is done to challenge these draconian laws.

The only thing my friend can appeal to is the moral position that a society is judged by how it treats its weakest members.

Denying them any protection by their family who know them best is reprehensible.

Sorry to invoke the Nazi regime, but families had to give up their vulnerable to them under the guise of soft words…

This is devastating and the scars of this will destroy the family and shame the whole of society in the future.

What happens to our weakest members affects us all.

Please dont leave my friend alone with this.

391250 ▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to janeinthemindfield, 2, #949 of 1914 🔗

The friend’s family member is young and has robust health, but defined as ‘vulnerable’ due to learning difficulties etc.

Vaccine could ruin them.

391295 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to janeinthemindfield, 2, #950 of 1914 🔗

The Mental Capacity Act enables the provision of a Lasting Power of Attorney (LPA) for both Finance and health and welfare, the latter only coming into force when capacity is lost. This enables an individual to decide who they wish to manage their affairs and makes decisions on their care and treatment when they are unable.

The decision maker is required to act in the individuals “best interests”, the arbitrator in disputes being the Court of Protection.

Where an individual lacks the capacity to decide about another party to manage their affairs the COP can appoint a deputy – Local Authority; family member; solicitor etc to fulfil this role.

Sadly way to many people are not aware of LPA’s and the implications and difficulties cause by not having them in place.

https://www.gov.uk/lasting-power-attorney-duties/health-welfare

391299 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Paulus, 1, #951 of 1914 🔗

My friend’s family member has lacked capacity since birth so cannot nominate anyone for power of attorney unfortunately…

391301 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Paulus, 1, #952 of 1914 🔗

Friend got in touch with several solicitors to try and get power of attorney and was told they could only get it for Finance and that it was impossible to get it for Health and Welfare

391325 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #953 of 1914 🔗

Have they tried applying to become a CoP deputy?

https://www.gov.uk/become-deputy

391346 ▶▶▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #954 of 1914 🔗

Friend discussed this option with several solicitors trying to sort it out. It can be done in Scotland not England. Was advised by solicitors that it is easy to get Deputyship for Finance, but almost impossible for Health and Welfare and that each decision is made on a case by case basis through the courts if there is disagreement…

Friend has already fought many stressful legal battles for years on end to get the best for their family member and is exhausted.

391303 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to Paulus, 1, #955 of 1914 🔗

Thank you so much for taking the trouble to explain all of this.

391310 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to janeinthemindfield, 1, #956 of 1914 🔗

Hi In addition to the post by Paulus, there is a British Medical Association toolkit at the link below – I haven’t had the time to read it I’m afraid.

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/1849/bma-mental-capacity-act-toolkit-2016.pdf

391349 ▶▶▶ janeinthemindfield, replying to godowneasy, #957 of 1914 🔗

Friend is extremely grateful for this and the other replies. Feels terribly alone with overwhelming responsibility, fear and sense of powerlessness to protect her loved one.

391242 Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 6, #958 of 1914 🔗

Now, might I suggest this is why Tim Spector’s group had its recent funding application blocked – it undermines the NERVTAG, non-scientifically modelled scare story of a couple of weeks ago:

Is the Kent variant REALLY deadlier than original Covid strains? | Daily Mail Online

391335 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 3, #959 of 1914 🔗

That and the failure of the stats they gather and pubilish via the Zoe app to back the doom narrative

391248 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 19, #960 of 1914 🔗

A particularly good version happening right now of the thrice-weekly “Uk Column News” programme on YouTube. That programme (Monday/Wednesday/Friday at 1pm) is worth watching usually (and can be seen after the event on YouTube).

Today’s thing is an NHS whistleblower has been on (heavily disguised voice to avoid being sacked) and they are saying that the info. is there with the vaccines saying the immune system will be very suppressed for a week or so afterwards – but the patients aren’t being told that fact and so it’s no wonder there are indeed some suspicious deaths shortly after having the vax.

Cue for me ringing a friend in their 70’s and saying that I know I won’t be able to persuade them not to have the vax – but will they please stay indoors for a week afterwards because of this to protect themselves. Sure enough – they are having it later this week and expect to go out doing their shopping and dog-walking as per their Lockdown normal afterwards and don’t know a thing about this need to quarantine themselves. If they’re not told this in advance of the appointment – then how are they supposed to know they need to be well-stocked up with shopping etc and be prepared to do that self-quaranting? I’d be willing to bet they won’t even tell friend at the time of appointment either. Net result – friend doesn’t even want to hear me saying that to them (out of regard for their welfare) and slammed the phone down on me!!! Well – I tried…

391266 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ElizaP, 4, #961 of 1914 🔗

Very interesting, Eliza! And intuitively this makes sense. I know none of my older acquaintances were advised to take any additional precautions. My parents are both having jab 1 today. Shopping sounds like the main risk to me – not sure walking the dog in fresh air can ever be a bad thing. I’m sure your friend will realise that you were just concerned for her wellbeing before long.

391307 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Charlie Blue, #962 of 1914 🔗

Hopefully she’ll realise that – though I’m not betting on it. I know I’ve been saying to her since the inception of this darn Lockdown that it’s as well to be well stocked-up with everything just-in-case all round. But it is all the more the case if one knows there is a risk to one’s health coming up (even though she clearly doesn’t believe me on that). As you say – walking the dog shouldn’t be too big an issue (ie living in small town in remote West Wales that’s for sure!). But shopping, on the other hand, and there will be plenty of other people in the supermarket.
I guess your older acquaintances have all had the vax by now (well – all those that decided to do so) – and that proves my point. Friends vax is due in 2 days time and so they should be getting in loads of shopping today or tomorrow if they’re not well-stocked.

391276 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #963 of 1914 🔗

I’m waiting for the evidence to come out that shared toilet facilities are huge vectors for transmissibility – the faecal plume from flushing el crapper – might have to go back to external cess pits

391282 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Major Panic, 3, #964 of 1914 🔗

Thought we’d already seen that with the US Marines. We’ll probably all have to wear nappies at some point.

391306 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to leggy, 9, #965 of 1914 🔗

What if it becomes illegal to fart?! They won’t stop until they have taken all life’s little pleasures.

391313 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to muzzle, 4, #966 of 1914 🔗

I’ll get life imprisonment if that’s the case!

391921 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to muzzle, #967 of 1914 🔗

New NHS ad campaign: ‘Don’t be a Silent Killer’.

391320 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 7, #968 of 1914 🔗

If the Covidians were told a butt plug would prevent transmission they would spread their cheeks willingly

391407 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #969 of 1914 🔗

Salisbury cathedral will serve as a pluggery, while the organist plays ‘Fight the goid fight’.

391433 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Major Panic, 5, #970 of 1914 🔗

Faecal matter coming from people’s mouths has certainly been a problem throughout all this. Some have ingested so much that their brains are now primarily comprised of it.

391515 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, #971 of 1914 🔗

fEcaL pLumEs!!!!!!!!

391281 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 50, #972 of 1914 🔗

Very strong piece from Laura Perrins on Conservative Woman:

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/lockdown-the-cruelty-is-the-point/

Destroying the lives of children, slowing the development of babies, isolating new mothers and inflicting incarceration conditions on children with disabilities, is all for nothing. It is not needed to ‘control the virus’. So what is the point, dear reader? The point is the cruelty. Boris Johnson is recklessly inflicting these cruelties on the most vulnerable children and their families. And what do the public do? Go along with it. Shame on you all who do.

391300 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 25, #973 of 1914 🔗

Yes, very powerful. She’s very angry.

Like you, I was especially struck by that passage, and by the final paragraph:

One day I hope people will understand what they have done: that they have collaborated with this tyranny that is inflicting inhuman and degrading treatment on the sickest and most vulnerable. Justice will be done, in this life or the next. Of this at least I am sure.

391379 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 6, #974 of 1914 🔗

Justice will be done in this life and the next. Be sure of that.

391571 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Annie, 1, #975 of 1914 🔗

Categorically, I would do anything to bring that day forward.

391329 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 8, #976 of 1914 🔗

She has been great, and so in general has CW.

391483 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Julian, 7, #977 of 1914 🔗

Her chats with James Delingpole on YT are truly excellent. Such good therapy for those of us who feel like they do. And a shout out for CW, too.

391400 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Richard O, 11, #978 of 1914 🔗

Doris’s personal objectives are the only thing he cares about. Everything in his behaviour towards women, colleagues, his own family display a cruel disregard for the most basic of things in life. Laura calls him for what he is. The public will too, and sooner than he thinks.

391570 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Richard O, 4, #979 of 1914 🔗

I’ve thought for some time that CW is the true standard bearer for us. I make donations to them, but no longer to LS.

391618 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Richard O, #980 of 1914 🔗

Do you really think they care about this?

391288 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #981 of 1914 🔗

And like magic, HCQ + zinc was found to be an effective early treatment for Beer Flu:

https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(20)30673-2/fulltext

I hate this timeline.

391292 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to awildgoose, 4, #982 of 1914 🔗

On May 14, 2020, after about 1 million cases and 90,000 deaths in the United States had already occurred, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced it was launching an outpatient trial of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin in the treatment of COVID-19.
6
A month later, the agency announced it was closing the trial because of the lack of enrollment with only 20 of 2000 patients recruited. 7

Now I wonder why they couldn’t get anyone to participate. Possibly because all the doctors had been threatened that if they even suggested use of HCQ they would be disciplined.

391296 TJN, replying to TJN, 51, #983 of 1914 🔗

My fellow Sceptics, I have a difficult confession to make.

This morning I wore a mask, for the first time since the mandate more than six months ago now. I tried to get away without wearing one, but before long succumbed. Of course, now it’s passed I’m in a sort of moral purgatory as to whether if – had I persevered – I could have got away without one. Perhaps, who knows.

But it’s done now. And horrible it was too – having worn a mask at last, I can appreciate now how they induce feelings of isolation and compliance. Anyway, I hope my fellow Sceptics will forgive my weakness.

I should say that I’m about to paint our airing cupboard, and was inside sanding down the walls and woodwork. The dust, especially the plaster dust, was choking, made much worse by being in such a confined place. So after a few minutes of rapidly increasing dust levels I gave in and donned a proper mask. Hopefully the circumstances will in part atone for my sin.

391314 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TJN, 15, #984 of 1914 🔗

Your indulgence will be
3 hail Mary’s and an anal swab
Don’t do it again

391576 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Crystal Decanter, #985 of 1914 🔗

Ace! The mental images that this brought to mind were glorious!

391315 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to TJN, 2, #986 of 1914 🔗

I’m sorry to say but in that situation wearing a mask may of been beneficial as dust particles are much bigger than a virus (even one in an aerosol).

391332 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to TJN, 6, #987 of 1914 🔗

Pick up your things and get the hell out of our tree house. Masks are for wusses.

391339 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 5, #988 of 1914 🔗

under the circumstances, I forgive you! 😂 😷

391355 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to TJN, 7, #989 of 1914 🔗

I assume you wore it to protect the walls and woodwork from any virus you may have been infected with?

391366 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to TJN, 6, #990 of 1914 🔗

Just like an occasion where murder is justifiable if it was in the cause of self defence, wearing a mask is equally justifiable as long as it was intended to prevent yourself from obvious harm.

Of course, if you ever wear one to protect everyone else, then you deserve everything you get. 😃

391375 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 3, #991 of 1914 🔗

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust,
If God won’t have you the Devil must.

391435 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TJN, 1, #992 of 1914 🔗

I have too, at the vets. Felt bad but it was that or leave my puppy to go in alone. They don’t do exemptions, because they will happily take the animal in without you while you wait in the car park.

391582 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to A. Contrarian, #993 of 1914 🔗

Very well; but I hope you wore the most porous and absurd scarf over your face jnstead of those horrible blue things.

391834 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RichardJames, 1, #994 of 1914 🔗

Horrible blue thing because I don’t own a mask, so they had to supply me with one! I’d assumed they would allow exemptions, but of course their get-out is that they will still treat the animal, just without you being present. Although I do own one now, because it’s scrunched up in my car somewhere!

391506 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 1, #995 of 1914 🔗

Was it a blue FN or a proper one..I bet if you wore a blue FN it would have been almost 100% useless at stopping you inhaling dust, let alone blocking covids….

391594 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Two-Six, #996 of 1914 🔗

Nah, a proper GVS mask/respirator, with replaceable filters – you struggle to breathe through it. It’s rated at A1P3, whatever that means.

391843 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 1, #997 of 1914 🔗

Brilliant! You had me going, TJN.

Git.

392007 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #998 of 1914 🔗

I hope the first three paragraphs didn’t lead to the mistaken notion that I may have worn a mask in a shop …

391302 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 29, #999 of 1914 🔗

From the Telegraph

The UK is “starting to see some signs of flattening, maybe even falling off of infections and hospital rates”, but it is too soon to “take your foot off the throat of the beast”, Boris Johnson has said.
The Prime Minister said while infection rates appeared to be slowing it was from a “very high level”, and would require rates to come down further before restrictions are lifted.
“The risk is if you take your foot off the throat of the best, and allow things to get out of control again, you could alas see the disease starting to spread again before we have got enough vaccines into people’s arms,” he said.

The virus is not a rabid dog. I’m sick of his “fight the invisible enemy ” talk

391311 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 35, #1000 of 1914 🔗

What a fucking windbag this piece of shit is. I wish he would just come out and say it: “ Restrictions are never going to be lifted.

Then fuck off and never appear in public again.

391391 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richard O, 2, #1001 of 1914 🔗

We should be so lucky.
Sorry for the “ear worm”.

391450 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Richard O, 9, #1002 of 1914 🔗

My sentiments exactly Richard. The only slight difference is that I would like to see him dangling from the end of a rope. I know that is not very nice, the trouble is that I’m not into being nice any more, my niceness has been used up!.

391326 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1003 of 1914 🔗

The risk is if you take your foot off the throat of the beast, and allow things to get out of control again”

prove it.

391334 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer, 22, #1004 of 1914 🔗

I think the “beast” he is referring to is us, not any virus.

391444 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 2, #1005 of 1914 🔗

Certainly looks that way.

391336 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #1006 of 1914 🔗

I’d like to put my foot on his throat!

391345 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1007 of 1914 🔗

You’d need to find his neck first!

391340 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #1008 of 1914 🔗

Yep. How about the Govt actually took some notice of the countries that have not had lockdowns or draconian restrictions – I don’t see the alleged virus has ‘let rip’ in their populations rather, that their cases are plumeting dramatically. There is no ‘out of control’ it’s called, lies, damned lies and statistics I believe.

391354 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #1009 of 1914 🔗

I like the way he uses his own assumptions and genralisations as fact and then works from there, and no one ever calls him on it.

Actually no, that’s a lie. I don’t like it. Not at all.

391363 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1010 of 1914 🔗

one way is not bring back “eat out to help out” which turned supressed take away trade at McD and KFC.

391370 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 19, #1011 of 1914 🔗

This stupid f.ing image of a ‘fight’ against disease really pisses me off.

I was first diagnosed with cancer eight years ago. It’s not pseudo-macho ‘fighting’, and quack remedies that have kept me alive; it’s the application of science and accumulated knowledge and support by skilled and caring individuals – plus keeping a sanely realistic mental perspective on risk.

The Covid hysteria does exactly the opposite on all counts.

391406 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to RickH, 2, #1012 of 1914 🔗

Did you fully recover or are you still fighting cancer?

391414 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 10, #1013 of 1914 🔗

The incurious masses are easily swayed by emotive appeals, this mechanism has been understood and carefully cultivated through media for almost 100 years until the dawn of this glorious age – the New Shallow.

Faced with the option of learning about the mechanisms of media and mass control, understanding the reality of their own mortality and how to respond to this reality in a thoughtful, philosophical, and courageous manner, or watching Dancing On Fucking Ice With Z Listers, the majority reliably make the worst and laziest choice possible.

As much as I hate to give King BJ credit, he knows this as well as we do.

That said, it’s still bloody painful to watch this fat Pied Piper lead the kidults on a merry dance as he simultaneously wanks himself senseless over his own Churchillian fantasies.

391431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #1014 of 1914 🔗

Yes, this has been coming for a very long time indeed. A society that harbours and nourishes such astronomical levels of intellectual ignorance and sloth cannot expect anything but the kind of nightmare outcome we are now experiencing.

391442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 7, #1015 of 1914 🔗

It’s as if we’re witnessing the birth of the seperation of the Morlock and the Eloi.

391789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GrannySlayer, #1016 of 1914 🔗

Very much so.

391455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Richard O, 6, #1017 of 1914 🔗

At least 25 years. I attended a conference (ominously in Munich) 20 years ago allegedly about database technology – which is my speciality – and the technology of constant surveillance was being promoted then as an aid to marketing and policing. And some of my ex-colleagues wonder why I’m utterly disenchanted with the computer industry. Which , like many things, could have been a power for good but because of what appears to be the innate corruption and self-centeredness of the human nature has been perverted to evil.

391481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #1018 of 1914 🔗

I understand your frustration, I used to work in the field myself. I agree, the potential for technology to be of huge benefit to all of humanity is staggering. I always loved BOINC as an idea, for example. But yes, we seem to have skipped over that part and gone straight for the dystopian nightmare Panopticon option. It’s hard not to be a misanthrope these days.

391501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #1019 of 1914 🔗

Same. I have been “into computers” since they first came out, zx80….etc.
I used to think back in the early 90’s that the internet and people having access to computers was an incredible thing for the intellectual freedom of humanity. I was really enthusiastic about it all and wanted to help and encourage people to engage with IT tech. Now I am seriously dis-enchanted with IT and I honestly think that people should consciously try hard to minimise their interaction with it.

It’s obvious now that I am right about the destructive and totally corrosive effects “the internet” has had on society. It’s poison.

I really have lost a lot of interest in it as well, I am still fired up about gaming and thank goodness for the contact the net is given me in these insane times but really…..I dunno, the internet is wasted on stupid lazy people who think it’s like the telly.

391337 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1020 of 1914 🔗

Boris should take his foot off the stupid metaphor creator and stick the schwab up his fat arse until he self explodes.

391343 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, 10, #1021 of 1914 🔗

The British Public is the beast and his is the foot.

391372 ▶▶ Annie, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1022 of 1914 🔗

It’s our throats he has his filthy foot on.

391380 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1023 of 1914 🔗

A sly reference to his Greenwich speech of a year ago-the one where he asked the journalists present to look up at the painting on the ceiling of the Painted Hall. If they did they never reported it as Boris pissed them off by trying to do a selective briefing.
As it is, the painting depicts King William with his foot on the throat of the King of France. Weeks later apparently it was Macron with his foot on the throat of Boris threatening to close the border if lockdown didn’t take place.

391430 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1024 of 1914 🔗

Does he really think there are only “some signs” of flattening? Has he looked at his own government’s bloody figures? They’ve fallen off a cliff edge!

391476 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1025 of 1914 🔗

I wish someone would put their foot on his throat – preferably travelling at 30 mph

391804 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1026 of 1914 🔗

I think his bodyguard must be booking extra sessions at the range. In the near future, he’ll need all the skills he can muster.

391552 ▶▶ alw, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1027 of 1914 🔗

Both private and NHS hospitals in London are running at 60% capacity. The problems in both sectors are staff off with the virus, probably false positive, stress or a combination of both. The government is malign and have been lying all along.

391590 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to arfurmo, #1028 of 1914 🔗

“starting to see some signs of flattening, maybe even falling off of infections and hospital rates”

Falling, I rather think.

but it is too soon to “take your foot off the throat of the beast”,

Is that a reference lockdown? Nationally the decline in hopsital admissions began within days of the lockdown coming in to force. Surely too soon to be credited to the lockdown?

There could be a better argument for saying that Teir 4 had an effect – but I don’t think that’s clear cut.

391861 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to arfurmo, #1029 of 1914 🔗

Didn’t he say something very similar before about last September, about not giving up fighting off a mugger until he’s on the floor?

391317 Victoria, 16, #1030 of 1914 🔗

re tweet from Conservatives: Wishing everyone a very happy LGBT+ History Month!”

Also #ChildrensMentalHealthWeek would seem slightly more pressing. Admittedly it’s not as cool as virtue signalling, but seeing as you are slowly suffocating the opportunities of this nations young people, might be worth a shout out?

Oh, and OPEN THE SCHOOLS.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1356204294928793600

If anyone sees the @Conservatives party, please let them know that country have been looking for them, and can they please come home.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1356203537601069056

391324 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1031 of 1914 🔗

Those attacking Captain Sir Tom for accepting a gift from British Airways, a trip to Barbados with his family, ticking it off of his bucket list, are the kind of Covid fanatics I cannot stand. That would deny a man who has sacrificed so much of his agency and dignity.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1356210912311570432

391338 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Victoria, 2, #1032 of 1914 🔗

Fair play, but does his Mum know he’s streaming?

391350 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1033 of 1914 🔗

Screaming? Yeah, I think she knows 😀

391359 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AidanR, 3, #1034 of 1914 🔗

that’s why the anal swabs are on the way:
Annus horriblus

391401 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1035 of 1914 🔗

It’s called homeschooling these days.

391472 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1036 of 1914 🔗

He does have his jumper on though.

391485 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), #1037 of 1914 🔗

How’s Mr Woofles?

391392 ▶▶ mj, replying to Victoria, 1, #1038 of 1914 🔗

what ? there are kinds of covid fanatics that he can stand?

391425 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 1, #1039 of 1914 🔗

But he won’t be allowed to go to Barbados, will he? Isn’t it illegal?

391328 Julian, replying to Julian, 37, #1040 of 1914 🔗

IMO a sinister article in The Times by India Knight

“Stop telling children that lockdown is harmful. Obsessing over young people’s wellbeing ignores their natural resilience”

https://twitter.com/CStewartSHS/status/1355882930321694722

It’s certainly true that children are resilient, as are most humans at least sometimes. They are also fragile sometimes. Stoicism in the face of unstoppable adversity is admirable, pretending to children that everything is OK when it’s not, and colluding in destroying their lives while doing so, seems wicked and abusive to me. Dogs are resilient if you beat them.

391353 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 21, #1041 of 1914 🔗

So Clementine Stewart is senior head of preps at Surbiton high school

Fascinating piece from @indiaknight in the @thesundaytimes

– at odds with some of the data in other papers today but based on anecdotal evidence and conversations. I do think there’s a lot to be said for considering the rhetoric and narrative around this. Kids pick it up for sure

Looks as if she is trying to say that it is OK to deny children the right to go to school for months as they are resilient.

Amazing!!! Shocking!!! Resilient to only show symptoms and negative outcomes years later.

It is inhuman and it is cruel to lock children out off school – the government has no balls and rolled over when the teaching unions dictate.

Isolating children at home is the same as locking them up in jail for no reason. Even during all the wars people were able to socialise and not get locked up

391415 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, 13, #1042 of 1914 🔗

There is a Children’s Miister , currently Vicky Ford , MP for Chelmsford . Not much heard from her about the right to an education for young people.
Never hear anything positive Re; education from The Children’s Society . Barnados or the BBC’s Children in Need. All seem transfixed with terror by the thought of defying Whitty, Sage and the other unelected dictators.

391417 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1043 of 1914 🔗

Tht should be Minister of course.

391437 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to mikewaite, 7, #1044 of 1914 🔗

You will hear from them all and others, when the begging for funds ads show up on TV.
Sad voice: these past twelve months have been difficult for us all, but especially……

391464 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1045 of 1914 🔗

it just shows how useless all these imbeciles are

391479 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1046 of 1914 🔗

What “Sticky” Vicky?

391422 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 7, #1047 of 1914 🔗

Kids also pick up on being told that if they go out, granny will die.

391495 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Victoria, 7, #1048 of 1914 🔗

This is the biggest crime against humanity, keeping our children isolated at home, to a child home is a prison as you or I could choose to leave the house whether it’s against the law or not but a nine year old can’t choose if the parents don’t allow it. Means they have two jailers the parents and the government.

391360 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 12, #1049 of 1914 🔗

Agree, Julian. I would say while some of us are naturally more emotionally robust than others, resilience comes from the resouces we have around us to draw upon. Good relationships, positive life experiences, exercise, learning and using skills, good health, having a plan for the future (later today, or the long-term) etc are things that buffer us all against stresses and strains. You can’t keep drawing on stores of resilience without being able to top them up again, but that is the position so many people of all ages are in.

As has been pointed out so many times, if we went back to 2019 depriving children of social contact, play, proper education and torturing them emotionally by telling them they are granny killers would have been more than enough for social services to take an interest.

391362 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 8, #1050 of 1914 🔗

What about the ‘natural resilence’ of immune systems?

391365 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 27, #1051 of 1914 🔗

Obsessing over young people’s wellbeing ignores their natural resilience

That’s what adults always say when they’ve messed up a kid’s life. Appalling.

391470 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 13, #1052 of 1914 🔗

I’d like to smack the bitch in the face and see how her ‘natural resilience’ deals with it

391601 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JaneHarry, #1053 of 1914 🔗

Lovely reply; thanks for lowering my blood pressure slightly. If you ever need someone to buy you a roilling pin, you know where to ask.

391367 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 12, #1054 of 1914 🔗

Interesting that she thinks people are telling their children that lockdown is harmful.

391854 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 1, #1055 of 1914 🔗

Yes, in a way it’s a good sign because it suggests it’s a hot topic among the yummy-mummy set. Even mumsnet threads are starting to question the lockdowns now.

391368 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Julian, 11, #1056 of 1914 🔗

Obsessing over young people’s wellbeing? AKA parenting?

Well, what a wonderful opportunity to use some weaponised wokeness and Twitter style fallacious reasoning – ‘Oh, so you’re having a go at parents now’?

Maybe someone can reply with that in twitter then sit back and see what happens.

391377 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 14, #1057 of 1914 🔗

“Stop telling children that lockdown is harmful.”

Trans. : Child abuse is only harmful if you say so.

Sounds like something out of the Johnson and Cameron Book of Childcare.

(Which pub did you last leave your child in? – And how many do you have, BTW?))

391419 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 11, #1058 of 1914 🔗

“Stop telling children that Jimmy Savile is harmful. Obsessing over young people’s wellbeing ignores their natural resilience” – Edwina Currie (probably)

391395 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 14, #1059 of 1914 🔗

She seems to be suggesting that we should be normalising lockdowns and telling children it’s ok to have them.

I think children should be made aware at the utter stupidity of lockdowns as a solution so they grow up knowing that they should never ever be tried again.

391399 ▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 7, #1060 of 1914 🔗

yes – they are resilient against illnesses and viruses. But the MSM are ignoring that natural resilience

391408 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, 16, #1061 of 1914 🔗

yeh, who needs an education after all? or friends? or fresh air and exercise? or any interests away from a computer screen? just lock them up in their rooms for 18 years, and no matter if their stressed parents, who in normal circumstances would be loving and responsible, begin to neglect or abuse them… they have ‘natural resilience’ which will take care of everything!
what a complete dunderhead. how some of these people have managed to make a living spouting such airheaded drivel is beyond me.

392020 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JaneHarry, #1062 of 1914 🔗

These cretins must be specially sought out for their ability to spew out such utter dogshit.

391426 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Julian, 13, #1063 of 1914 🔗

Her husband Eric Joyce ex labour Mp knows all about harmful behaviour to children .
He was convicted of child pornography showing sexual abuse of very young children offences last year and got off with non custodial sentence.
India knight has stood by him.
Julie Burchill wrote about the media silence in a column in spiked .

391480 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Julian, 8, #1064 of 1914 🔗

What needs to be stopped immediately is blaming children for killing granny or telling children they could be carrying covid.

I had a 3 year old ask if I was carrying germs? When I told her no she asked her mum if she was allowed to cuddle me. For fs sake, what are we doing to our children?

I asked a friend why I don’t see his children at the playpark and he told me, because most of their friends parents will not let their kids outside and his kids don’t see the point on going out as they have no one to play with. His opinion is 50% of these parents are control freaks, God help their children.

As for what that selfish waste of space had to say is unprintable.

391503 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Just about sane, 6, #1065 of 1914 🔗

Strictly speaking your response should have been ‘Yes, I’m carrying germs’ because we all are. We’re covered from head to toe with all sorts of microbes, not to mention our internal fauna in the gut. The idea that we can live germ free is unrealistic and what should be promoted is the idea that we NEED microbes. Animals born and kept in gnotobiotic or germ free conditions have shorter life spans.

DavidC

391502 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #1066 of 1914 🔗

Looking at the replies here and thinking about this further, what this woman has written is truly despicable

391510 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 1, #1067 of 1914 🔗

Knight is an overprivileged media stooge living in cloud cuckoo land. She’s a fool.

391529 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to thinkaboutit, #1068 of 1914 🔗

Much worse than a fool

391588 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Julian, 1, #1069 of 1914 🔗

So any form of child abuse is OK because most of them will get over it? I would rather it not happen in the first place.

(P.S. I will settle for them getting a beating from a vigilante gang.)

391333 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #1070 of 1914 🔗

I had a hollow laugh a couple of hours ago.

I was listening to the BBC World Service – where you stand a bit of a chance of dodging Covidmania. The disturbing news about Myanmar was being reported. Then there was a report about the Dutch anti-lockdown protests. The irony of the way in which the two police states were reported was ‘interesting’.

(And no … I don’t consider Holland exactly equivalent to Myanmar’s military takeover)

391364 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 7, #1071 of 1914 🔗

Myanmar is simply China flexing her muscles.

The tough talk from Potato Joe’s regime is simply kabuki theater.

391352 crimsonpirate, 5, #1072 of 1914 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209583/Is-Kent-variant-REALLY-deadlier-original-Covid-strains.html
Should that headline read “Is Kent virus really any different to original Covid strains?”

391371 awildgoose, #1073 of 1914 🔗

Clown world.

391373 this is my username, -1, #1074 of 1914 🔗

A terrorist.

391374 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1075 of 1914 🔗

Former terrorist Nelson Mandela! Yes, I just want to be just like him! How inspirational.

391381 ▶▶ leggy, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1076 of 1914 🔗

Did that post just disappear in front of my very eyes?

391434 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to leggy, #1077 of 1914 🔗

I think HH deleted the original comment.

391376 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #1078 of 1914 🔗

Just catching up on some headlines. Oh to be a resident on the Isle of Man right now! No masks or social distancing, everything open.

391387 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1079 of 1914 🔗

Are they allowed to travel though! is it a prison island?

391394 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1080 of 1914 🔗

Pretty much.

391441 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #1081 of 1914 🔗

Lots of people getting excited thinking this is going to be us soon!. They are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think we are being released from prison any time soon.

391566 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ganjan21, #1082 of 1914 🔗

How soon can I move there?

391396 Victoria, 3, #1083 of 1914 🔗

From Free Speech Union newsletter:

Inaya Folarin Iman Launches the Free Speech Champions

Inaya Folarin Iman, a Founding Director of the Free Speech Union, is launching a new venture today called the Free Speech Champions Project , along with a group of students and recent graduates. (The Mail on Sunday ran a story about it yesterday.) Below is an extract from the press release.

The Free Speech Champions Project is an exciting new initiative which aims to inspire the next generation about the importance of free speech. It has been set up by a socially and politically diverse group of university students and recent graduates to create a space for challenging thinking. It will do this by creating a network of young ‘free speech champions’ across the country who will host events on free speech, support and encourage the development of free speech societies, and develop the information, ideas and arguments about free speech needed to inspire the next generation. The Champions will collaborate with individuals, groups and organisations who share their commitment to free speech.

The Free Speech Champions Project is led by Inaya Folarin Iman, a 24-year-old graduate of the University of Leeds, and developed in collaboration with the Free Speech Union and the Battle of Ideas charity.

Inaya said: “Freedom of speech is essential for open enquiry to flourish. Social and human progress depends on courageous individuals who are prepared to think for themselves. Too often, the places where free speech should be valued most highly – universities and online spaces – are where it is in most jeopardy. We need to re-articulate why free speech matters, especially to young people.”

A 2020 survey carried out by ADF International revealed that 40% of students self-censor out of concern for their future careers.

Inaya said: “A lot of attention has been paid to the problem of explicit censorship on campus – no-platforming of speakers, the closing down of debates. It is a good sign that a lot of people instinctively feel that this is wrong. However, a more subtle pressure to self-censor has also become far too prevalent in places of education. This is not about being ‘polite’. Too many young people are holding themselves back from exploring ideas because they fear the potentially negative consequences of using the wrong words or of honestly sharing what is on their minds.”

The Free Speech Champions Project will go to where young people most need the space to think and speak freely – schools, universities and online communities – and inspire support for freedom of speech.

Toby Young, the General Secretary of the Free Speech Union, said: “The Free Speech Union is delighted to be supporting this project, along with the Battle of Ideas charity. If free speech is going to endure it’s essential that young people understand why it matters and needs to be defended.”

You can find out more about the Free Speech Champions Project by visiting its website . And if you’re a student or recent graduate who would like to get involved, please fill out the form on this page .

391397 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 60, #1084 of 1914 🔗

Forgive me, but I need to unburden myself. This morning I was walking through a (wide) alley near my home on the way to a local church where I volunteer once a week*, and an older lady was walking towards me. There was more than enough room for us to pass each other, but she tucked herself away amongst some bushes, obviously doing the ‘distance’ thing. I smiled and pointed/waved my arms at the pavement, saying we both had plenty of room and that it was okay, I don’t have a virus. She said, ‘I’m 77.’ I said it’s okay, I haven’t got a virus. She said neither did she, and I said Great, let’s start treating each other like human beings again and pay no attention to this stupid government and its attempts to infantilise us. Her face turned, and she said, ‘Get off!’ and walked off. I’m a Londoner living in North Devon, and don’t know the precise meaning, but it basically means ‘Get out of it’ or ‘Oh shut up.’ Anyway the sudden dirty look said it all. I said, ‘You’re older than me, love, you should know better’ and carried on.

I immediately felt terrible, and was shaking because a) I’m autistic and hate confrontation (even though appearances at times will suggest otherwise to the untrained and unthinking eye), and b) this was an older lady and I hoped I hadn’t upset her. I hoped she hadn’t thought that I was disrespectful. I immediately prayed for forgiveness, hoping I had not upset her, and that God might help her see my good intentions.

Note that as soon as I mentioned the absurdity of it all she changed. Her smile disappeared and she looked at me as if I was an alien who just hopped out of a ship hovering above her head. The transformation was striking. It seems clear she had never heard such a view.

I fear this madness and division is never going to end. This regime of sociopathic lunatics has set the stage/laid the groundwork for a contrived game of Chase Me in which new vaccines will chase new variants. Throw in the narrative of asymptomatic or ‘silent’ spread and you must ask yourself, logically, according to this narrative, how can it end without these lunatics utterly contradicting their whole spiel?

*I mention the church because, when I arrived my heart was still racing, and while we were doing what it is we do, two of the church members (I do not attend this church) were talking about how they’re really enjoying the ‘online services’, and how they could easily get used to this way of ‘doing church’ in their pyjamas. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I had to do everything I could not to grab the nearest Bible and open up the Scriptures.

A little while later, one lady said her daughter, who I believe lives in Hampshire, recently turned 30, and that she hasn’t seen her since last June. I (I now realise naïvely) asked her why not, and she said, ‘You know, Dan, because I’m not allowed.’ This just broke my heart. I felt I needed to say something, so I waited and thought. I didn’t want to be too heavy-handed, so I said, ‘I read an article the other making a biblical case for disobedience.’ Strange looks. I said, ‘Yeah, the church really ought to be resisting the evil diktats of this government, but it’s largely doing nothing,’ and referred to Romans 13 and the presupposition that those in authority will act in accordance with God and serve Him for our good and not be a terror to good conduct, but to bad.’

I was greeted with silence. Literally. Whether or not these ladies had considered what I’d said, either when I’d said it or at an earlier stage, the looks on their faces showed they did not care. No emotion. The look on their faces said, ‘Don’t rock the boat, mate.’

I despair.

391412 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnDanny, 29, #1085 of 1914 🔗

You behaved with great honour and restraint in the face of shocking ignorance and, let’s not beat about the bush, evil. No need to ask for forgiveness.

391413 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JohnDanny, 28, #1086 of 1914 🔗

The worst and possibly most pernanent effect of Covid is the apparent distruction of the cognative abilities of 70% of the population. They no longer possess the ability to think logically for themselves.

391421 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Richy_m_99, 18, #1087 of 1914 🔗

I think its a double effect. There is not only the propaganda from the Government (of which Goebbels wold be proud) but there is the mental effect of lockdown itself.

It’s well established that a lack of stimulus leads to a decline in mental function – indeed up to The Great Panic we were actively encouraging the elderly to get hobbies and socialise as an aid in preventing the onset of dementia.

391459 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #1088 of 1914 🔗

Or maybe they’re too scared to because once you accept that the MSM narrative is a lie, what are you left with? Evil and your government want to kill you .. that’s a terrifying place to find yourself, isn’t it?

392291 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 1, #1089 of 1914 🔗

Doesn’t terrify me. Just makes me angry.
Luther threw his inkpot at the Devil. You can still see the mark on the wall ( though it may be quietly retouched from time to time).If you haven’t got an inkpot, throw something else.

391420 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to JohnDanny, 20, #1090 of 1914 🔗

Take heart JD (easy to say I know), but just think, perhaps those ladies are going over their exchanges with you just as you have done and perhaps are now reflecting that there was something in what you said.
Perhaps they might then find confidence to mention to a friend: I was talking to a chap yesterday, he said something which really made me think.
The fright from the first encounter might have been simply that that was the first time the poor soul had emerged into daylight.
The silence at the second encounter might have been through shock – it’s hard to frame a response when you’re hearing something which goes against the narrative and shows common sense.

391429 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #1091 of 1914 🔗

So many people have such closed minds. It’s sad to see, many of these are people who never trusted the government before, yet now they obey them without question.

Why? What changed? All I get when I try and ask is that what possible reason would the government have for doing this if they had any other option.

PS: I’m autistic too and I know exactly what you mean about confrontation.

391563 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TreeHugger, 4, #1092 of 1914 🔗

Quite simply its brainwashing!

392408 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TreeHugger, #1093 of 1914 🔗

yes, I get the ‘but why would they do that’ question, as if my inability to convincingly answer it were fatal. How should I know why they’re doing it! Why did Hitler open the gas chambers? all I know is that they are.

391436 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #1094 of 1914 🔗

No point wasting time on obvious Covidians that aren’t friends or family. Ignore their cowering and just say hello and move on. They are too entrenched by now. In the conversation you had with Mrs 77 yrs old if it had got that far I would have left it with a “So we don’t need to be worried then if neither of us are not ill.” Questioning the Gov to these people is a) tinfoil hat territory b) subversive c) telling them they are gulls and fools (cough.)

391439 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to JohnDanny, 17, #1095 of 1914 🔗

You did absolutely nothing wrong by pointing out the absurdity of it all, I wouldn’t give it another thought. Keep reminding yourself that you are the sane one and are lucky not to have been struck down by this new illness sweeping the country. I am not talking about Covid, but this inability to see that that it is one big lie that we are being fed. It is hard JohnDanny when so many people around you are in the cult (I know this from my own situation) but you are on the right side and just remember that.

391469 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1096 of 1914 🔗

Don’t despair! We’re all experiencing this but what you have done is possibly broken the spell a little. The cognitive dissonance in the general public is huge and seemingly impenetrable but sometimes something gives. My husband was the only unmasked one in Aldi the other day. He smiled at the security bloke and was just waved through (even though he had his exemption card in his hand) It was very busy and he queued up for a cashier we’d become familiar with in the past. He remembered that this person was at Uni(?) and he asked how his course was going. He said the cashier positively lit up and started chatting. He yanked down his mask and ducked his head under the plastic barrier to speak to my husband and they both shared a couple of chuckles. When hubs looked down the queue they were all staring at him…as if they suddenly remembered this is what we USED to do! It’s these little interactions we MUST continue, whether there is a good or bad outcome, to remind people of our humanity. After all, its not us that’s changed our behaviour!

391471 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1097 of 1914 🔗

Well done for actually mixing it up with covidians. Interesting, I hear a lot about people who have autism on here. An old friend of mine went and lived in the Netherlands and, well she was never “normal” that’s why she is one of my oldest friends.

Her two boys are autistic, and so is her chappy. It seems like its good to be diagnosed as autistic in the Netherlands.

I also know a fair people who whould say they were autistic.

Now the thing is. I am not normal. Never have been. That’s fine with me. I never could see the point in doing the stuff most normal people did…or something.

I realise that most people are “on the spectrum”. I would think if I got measured I would fall outside or “normal” parameters” what ever they are.

Is the reason why I find FN’s and covid bollocks as so wrong because I am “on the spectrum” too in some significant way?

What does it mean to feel autistic…

391484 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1098 of 1914 🔗

From my admittedly limited experience I would say the defining characteristic of people on the autistic spectrum, especially those whose autism is quite definite, is that they have no “side” to them – they are incapable or completely disinclined naturally from being “sly” in any way. It’s refreshing.

392409 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, #1099 of 1914 🔗

Is the reason why I find FN’s and covid bollocks as so wrong because I am “on the spectrum” too in some significant way?

interesting observation, I keep wondering what it is that makes some people immune to the brainwashing, because it certainly has nothing to do with intelligence

391521 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #1100 of 1914 🔗

“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

391574 ▶▶ zubin, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1101 of 1914 🔗

You did your best in each of these situations. Well done. Keep living as a free person.

391602 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1102 of 1914 🔗

You have nothing to forgive yourself for. You were the one acting like a decent human being and you are doing your best to help others. Sadly some people have been so brainwashed they are beyond help. It’s hard not to take it personally. I try to tell myself they are mentally ill when I get angry or upset over the way they treat us.

391706 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1103 of 1914 🔗

The Christian is called to be faithful, not necessarily successful.

392294 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #1104 of 1914 🔗

Well said.

391731 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1105 of 1914 🔗

Thank you for your kind and encouraging replies, I really appreciate them.

391841 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #1106 of 1914 🔗

Not all Christians are into all this nonsense. My mother’s parish church has voluntarily closed down and does stuff now only on Zoom, which my mother can’t use. But two parishioners (who incidentally come from countries where Christians are persecuted) have invited her to ‘maintenance work’ at the church (ie, a social meeting) because they know she is a widow who lives alone.

391826 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1107 of 1914 🔗

I’ve mentioned before that I support a charity called the Barnabas Fund, for persecuted Christians. I find it shocking that the church in the UK knows how badly Christians are being persecuted around the world, and yet voluntarily in some cases, closes its doors to worshippers in a country which supposedly has freedom of religion.

392071 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1108 of 1914 🔗

I was thinking that’s along Allhalland Street, but there aren’t any bushes there! It’s a special part of the town around there, steeped in history.

Don’t worry about the encounters – you did nothing wrong. And something has to break these people out of their cerebral slumbers, or they really are lost. Perhaps, deep in themselves, they instinctively know this. Maybe their encounter with you today will help them in bring rational thoughts to the surface a spark of clear thinking as it were.

I’m from (south) Devon, but don’t know the expression ‘Get off’. Then again, the Bideford and surrounds dialect is very particular, and follows little grammatical logic.

392288 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1109 of 1914 🔗

Do you listen to the Irreverend podcasts? There’s a link pp above the line today. They speak for Christians who won’t be fobbed off with electronic pseudochurch and cowardly covidian pseudomorality. Give them a go, I think you will be consoled and uplifted.

392308 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Annie, #1110 of 1914 🔗

I’ve not heard of it, Annie. I’ll check it out. Thanks.

391403 Victoria, 4, #1111 of 1914 🔗

From Free Speech Union (FSU) newsletter

New Organisation Set Up to Help People Resist Woke Ideology

Another new organisation has just been launched called Counterweight. Started by Helen Pluckrose, co-author of Cynical Theories: How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race, Gender, and Identity – and Why This Harms Everybody , it aims to help individuals resist the intrusion of woke ideology into their day-to-day lives. Like the FSU, it’s primary purpose is to help people who’ve fallen foul of this ideology, providing resources, advice and guidance, including referring them to the FSU if it thinks we can help. Another of the people involved is Carrie Clark, who wrote the essay about Unconscious Bias Training that we published on our website last September.

This is what it says on Counterweight’s website about the organisation’s care values:

Counterweight is a liberal humanist organisation that values individualism, universalism, viewpoint diversity and the free exchange of ideas. We defend scientific, reasoned, rigorous and empirical approaches to knowledge production and to justice and equality.

Our main focus is Critical Social Justice, though we oppose authoritarianism and censorship of all kinds. We do not support attempts to ban Critical Social Justice ideas. People must have the freedom to believe and advocate whichever ideas they wish. We only ask that they do not force their beliefs on anyone else.

Counterweight works with and for people from all over the political spectrum, with a wide variety of cultural, ethical, religious and philosophical views. Not all of these people identify as liberal humanists.

We do, however, expect them to support equal freedoms, rights and opportunities for all human beings under the law and to view all human beings as equals, regardless of race, gender, sexuality or any other identity category.

If you’d like to find out more – or reach out to Counterweight for help – you can find its website here .

391404 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 13, #1112 of 1914 🔗

Terrorist or freedom fighter—you makes your choice!

391423 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1113 of 1914 🔗

Well in this particular case he’s right either way.

391432 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #1114 of 1914 🔗

Maybe having a tyre full of petrol hung around your neck and set on fire. Oops, my bad, wrong Mandela….

391477 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1115 of 1914 🔗

Terrorist.

391498 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Harry hopkins, #1116 of 1914 🔗

Clearly one of those covid deniers.

391598 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1117 of 1914 🔗

Regardless he did 27 years in stir without cracking up. One year of house arrest and I’m going potty.

392246 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Harry hopkins, #1118 of 1914 🔗

This would have been a far better post with just the photo.

391427 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1120 of 1914 🔗

We really need more than a thumbs up or down we need a ‘sad’ and a ‘ROFL’ at the minimum.

In this case have a ‘sad’.

391428 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1121 of 1914 🔗

53 dead in a population of 33 000.

….within 10 days Equivalent to about 100 000 people in the UK.

391461 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to rockoman, 1, #1122 of 1914 🔗

Fullfact on the case for of course – https://fullfact.org/online/gibraltar-covid-vaccine/

391468 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 2, #1123 of 1914 🔗

However cases have dropped and deaths have grown exponentially?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/gibraltar/

391454 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1124 of 1914 🔗

It will be very interesting to compare the death rate in the Isle of Man (where I live), population around 80,000. The govt foolishly went for the zero-covid strategy and have been pushing vaccines hard.

They are fond of their cover ups here though.

391504 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #1125 of 1914 🔗

According to earlier posts, your lockdown has been lifted and pubs are open. Is this correct, and does it mean that you have achieved zero Covid?

391516 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Ken Gardner, 2, #1126 of 1914 🔗

The govt will claim that it has been eradicated. Again. As it was last time.

Personally, I think they have painted themselves into a corner, like other island nations, and of course it will reappear when normal life resumes (if it does).

As I said, though, they are fond of backslapping, cover ups and self-congratulation and it’s difficult to get past the opacity in a place like this.

391507 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #1127 of 1914 🔗

Indeed. It is harder to conceal if an entire island population is vaccinated in a concentrated time period.
Spread out over a year, it goes unnoticed or is easily dismissed.

391653 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Kevin 2, #1128 of 1914 🔗

I will be keeping a close eye on it in the upcoming weeks, as we had very few ‘covid’ deaths and I think the last one was August.

391549 ▶▶▶ Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #1129 of 1914 🔗

Yes, as an Isle of Man resident I can confirm the extremely strong promotion of “vaccinations” here. Fortunately, most people I know here are awake to the “pandemic” / “vax” lies and will refuse the poison.

391644 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, 1, #1130 of 1914 🔗

I am very glad to hear that, indeed 🙂

The way the govt and IoM papers would have it, we are all champing at the bit.

391709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #1131 of 1914 🔗

Yes, the IoM papers seem to give a false impression. Informed comments are quickly deleted, leaving the comments section open to propagandists and the naive. Perhaps I’m being over-optimistic 🙂 but I see evidence of cyclic reversion — the Force now supporting bold moves against the Cabal.

391730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, 1, #1132 of 1914 🔗

I can’t bring myself to read any of it, the ‘aren’t we amazing, haven’t we done well’ tone makes me want to vomit.

I just wonder if they will see the irony in the references to being ‘free’ in the national anthem. Probably not.

I haven’t come across cyclic reversion, must be because I’m old, lol.

391952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #1133 of 1914 🔗

I don’t often read the papers. In order to challenge Cabal lies (climate “emergency,” “pandemic,” etc) I occasionally submitted comments to the paper. This included a link to my article about the climate hoax on my blog: https://evolutionofconsciousness.health.blog/2020/02/10/climate-change-fake-science-serves-an-evil-agenda/
Cyclic reversion is a concept in the I-Ching. I’ve used that system of divination for a long time (I’m old now 🙂 ). The sinister agenda pursued by our political puppets and their masters will inevitably fail. I see evidence of a cyclic reversal toward a positive phase.

391592 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #1134 of 1914 🔗

Just at the minute I envy you with pubs open and no muzzles.

391638 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to arfurmo, #1135 of 1914 🔗

We have muzzles, sadly. I’ve just seen a primary school child walking home wearing a blue mask 🙁

391458 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1136 of 1914 🔗
391460 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1137 of 1914 🔗

It’s now up to 78. https://twitter.com/GibraltarGov/status/1356236148700557314

I’ve posted a couple of times about this. Gibraltar Government say it’s coincidence.

391478 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1138 of 1914 🔗

They are between a rock and a hard place.

391814 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1139 of 1914 🔗

They seem to be in straits, I agree.

391499 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1140 of 1914 🔗

Person dies after testing positive is a Covid death
Person dies after being vaccinated is a coincidence.

391490 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1141 of 1914 🔗

According to the Gibraltar authorities only discredited individuals are pointing this out.

391424 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1142 of 1914 🔗

I really hope that the following is another sign of increasing sheep/collaborator desperation:
In our little part of South Shropshire we have a free monthly newsletter/magazine and along with it’s far larger cousins has been peddling the anti lockdown sceptic diatribes.
In the February issue there is a piece extolling the faithful to “stay at home, etc”, then it goes on to talk about how the “pothole” situation is far better in Worcestershire,4 miles away, (so far, so boring),but
the writer actually said “can anybody remember going that far?
Er, yeah, about 4 times a week, every week!!!
Like I say, I just hope that this is a sign of increasing desperation on part of the MSM/ free monthly/weekly publications.

391807 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1143 of 1914 🔗

I was out and about in East Anglia on Saturday. I would say the number of private motor cars on the road was much the same as a rainy winter Saturday pre-lockdowns. Can’t believe they’re all going shopping or to support bubbles.

391448 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1144 of 1914 🔗

King Crimson – Epitaph: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXrpFxHfppI

The wall on which the prophets wrote

Is cracking at the seams.

Upon the instruments if death

The sunlight brightly gleams.

When every man is torn apart

With nightmares and with dreams,

Will no one lay the laurel wreath

As silence drowns the screams.

——–

Confusion will be my epitaph.

As I crawl a cracked and broken path

If we make it we can all sit back

And laugh.

But I fear tomorrow I’ll be crying,

Yes I fear tomorrow I’ll be crying.

——–

Between the iron gates of fate,

The seeds of time were sown,

And watered by the deeds of those

Who know and who are known;

Knowledge is a deadly friend

If no one sets the rules.

The fate of all mankind I see

Is in the hands of fools.

I have listened to this song a lot for most of my life; it is one of my ‘favourite songs of all time’ (as they say).

Sounds stupid, but I always knew, even at a young age , that the 2nd verse – in particular, those last four lines – meant something.

391474 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1145 of 1914 🔗

Hear hear. King Crimson and Genesis (before Pete Gabriel left) are my favourite groups, and a considerable amount of their output is applicable to current times.

391554 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1146 of 1914 🔗

Well TPTB have been planning this since the sixties so maybe they had inside information

391587 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1147 of 1914 🔗

Interesting. I liked KC but could never get on with Genesis.

391541 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1148 of 1914 🔗

apparently “21st Century Schizoid Man” is a favourite of Tony Blair

391452 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1149 of 1914 🔗

The latest coviphrase – “surge testing”. This from the Telegraph CV feed (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-uk-deaths-lockdown-end/

Surge testing described as ‘precautionary measure’
Ruth Hutchinson, director of public health for Surrey, said: “This is a precautionary measure – the more cases of the variant we find, the better chance we have at stopping it from spreading further. By playing your part and taking the test, you’ll be helping to keep your community and your loved ones safe.

“It’s really important to say that there is currently no evidence that this variant causes more severe illness, so you don’t need to worry.”

So a goon turns up on your doorstep and asks you to take part in “surge testing” – because we don’t want this ultra-menace, otherwise euphemistically referred to as the South African variant (see above – no evidence of it causing more severe illness), getting out of control. What’s your answer to the goon?

391453 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tenchy, 30, #1150 of 1914 🔗

What’s your answer to the goon?

Fuck off!

391893 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1151 of 1914 🔗

Bit harsh -might be someone who doesn’t particularly want to do the job but doesn’t qualify for any hand outs

391963 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, #1152 of 1914 🔗

Nope! They will get the same short shrift I give to all unsolicited visitors on my land.

391456 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1153 of 1914 🔗

Fuck off and die ” would be my personal choice.

391462 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 21, #1154 of 1914 🔗

This variant thing is the magic key to making this go on for ever, combined with fictional testing results allowing deaths to be misattributed

391466 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1155 of 1914 🔗

“No, absolutely not”

391487 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1156 of 1914 🔗

Every winter past there must have been a deadlier more virulant strain of flu.

If our behaviours didn’t change between summer, autumn and winter then the only logical explanation would be mutant variants.

Another regular phenomenon marketed as something more sinister.

391489 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1157 of 1914 🔗

I would parrot: “ T here is currently no evidence that this variant causes more severe illness, so we don’t need to worry.” *closes door*

391491 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 12, #1158 of 1914 🔗

Me ‘stick it up your arse’

Goon ‘sorry sir, that’s my job’

391500 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1159 of 1914 🔗

If it’s no more dangerous than any other covid, why bother?
And I’m not giving those twerps my DNA.

391508 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1160 of 1914 🔗

Point at goon. Laugh hysterically. Close door. Make tea.

391558 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1161 of 1914 🔗

I’d settle for listing just what they’ve done wrong – and the first would be turning up at peoples doorsteps and expecting these tests done on the spot (ie because of not giving any warning at all to people). If someone turns up on my doorstep – I expect fair warning – unless it’s a visit I will actively want (eg a friend coming unexpectedly). People should have the time to think about whether they want the test or no and not have some stranger jigging from foot to foot expecting you to make up your mind in a matter of seconds and have it and making you feel pressurised to do so.

391735 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to ElizaP, 2, #1162 of 1914 🔗

Then you are certainly more generous with your time than I. I have zero minutes of my finite life that I think it would be profitable to spend on attempting to educate a regime collaborator.

391551 ▶▶ jos, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1163 of 1914 🔗

I have a very strong gag reflex and will throw up all over you 🤮

391584 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1164 of 1914 🔗

You go back to the days of the rent man coming and hide until they go away.

391714 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tenchy, #1165 of 1914 🔗

Anyone who complies with this is … I don’t have the words.

391802 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tenchy, #1166 of 1914 🔗

‘I was told not to worry, I’m not worried, take your swab and stick it up your ….

392404 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tenchy, #1167 of 1914 🔗

‘sorry, we’ve already got a religion’

391463 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #1168 of 1914 🔗

Snp Joanna Cherry sacked from front bench to appease trans people – Joanna is the wrong kind of lgbt or something, not sure don’t care. Whistling sound can be heard as Scottish government in free fall. There’s a plague on don’t you know.

391579 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 1, #1169 of 1914 🔗

As a Brexiteer I found her attempts to stop Brexit annoying but she is a very clever woman. Strange sacking .

391633 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1170 of 1914 🔗

Not really – the tran knees really have the upper had at the moment due to the cult of woke
On the plus side they have a 41%(and climbing) suicide rate so it is a self correcting issue

391784 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Basics, #1171 of 1914 🔗

Whistling sound? More like a stuka siren I think.

391482 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #1172 of 1914 🔗

I have contacted GMTV and volunteered to do Piers Morgan’s anal swab live on TV

(By sleight of hand and using a magic trick I learned when I was 6 years of age I intend to then use the same swab in his nose and throat)*

Should be a giggle

*This our little secret

391509 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1173 of 1914 🔗

I will be your willing assistant.

391514 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1174 of 1914 🔗

Be prepared for the emanating verbiage.

391548 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1175 of 1914 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Make sure you double up on the Marigolds!

391559 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1176 of 1914 🔗

Shove it up an extra few inches for me!

391564 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1177 of 1914 🔗

Make sure you get the right end; in his case the shit comes out of both.

391626 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Ceriain, 1, #1178 of 1914 🔗

Great minds and all that!

391943 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), #1179 of 1914 🔗

Again, mate. 🙂

391623 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Cecil B, 2, #1180 of 1914 🔗

How will you know which is which? The same stuff comes out of both.

391810 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1181 of 1914 🔗

Can you do Wankok as well?
I’d pay quite a lot to watch that.

391488 Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), #1182 of 1914 🔗
391493 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 1, #1183 of 1914 🔗

Hi Sarigan. Haven”t checked out the link yet – first thought is how is your hairy pal today?

391621 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1184 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for thinking of him CB. He is a fighter, still far from his former self but the eye movement reduced to a mild tremor. Had some tail wags today, completely zonked but eating and drinking. All in all, big improvement but still some way to go.

391652 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 1, #1185 of 1914 🔗

That sounds very positive! It’s alarming when they won’t even take water. Those tail wags are a very good sign. Hope the corner has been turned and a few more days of TLC will produce further substantial improvement.

391815 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 2, #1186 of 1914 🔗

All the very best to you both. My dog sends wags. He would send your dog his biscuit, if he hadn’t just eaten it himself.

391496 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 10, #1187 of 1914 🔗

How’s this for an argument – might be much too intellectual.

“If you believe all the current chaos is caused by covid-19, why do you believe the Irish Famine was caused by a vindictive English government and not the Potato Blight?”

(Truth in both cases is the natural event was vastly amplified in harmful effects by stupid government responses)

391817 ▶▶ Annie, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1188 of 1914 🔗

Do you think they’ll soon have the unemployed building lockdown roads?

391497 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #1189 of 1914 🔗

Anyone seen today’s UK Column? It’s a sobering watch about the Pfizer vax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHhCYkEwbAQ

391525 ▶▶ alw, replying to HelenaHancart, 9, #1190 of 1914 🔗

Interesting. Watch first 5-6 minutes. The Pfizer vaccine weakens your immune system so you have to quarantine for seven days after. Death rates in care homes have gone up 53% since the Pfizer vaccine was introduced.

391533 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #1191 of 1914 🔗

Yes, it was very interesting. I was wondering why deaths in the UK had shot up in the past few weeks unlike virtually anywhere else in Europe.

391545 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chicot, 6, #1192 of 1914 🔗

It was interesting to learn after the vaccine for the first week you have no immune system! 😮

391758 ▶▶ Basics, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #1193 of 1914 🔗

Sorry spotted after posting same. It was an important episode. 4 times more death in care homes since vaccinations began in December. No investigation into cause.

Delores Cahill was calling for post vaccine deaths to be autopsied, swollen upper lungs would be covid/respiratory infection – swollen entire lungs a likely mRNA side effect.

391505 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1194 of 1914 🔗

Is anyone else finding extortionate prices and places already booked up within the country for a holiday this summer? I know it’s not a major issue but seeing as we aren’t allowed out of the damn country for the foreseeable future, I wanted to check out and book somewhere for a family holiday this summer so the kids can get some sort of enjoyment outside our usual scenery. Everywhere charging a fortune and cant believe how much is already booked out.

391512 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1195 of 1914 🔗

Not looked yet. Worrying. I had no trouble last year mind but maybe folk still banked on going abroad till the last moment.

391532 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1196 of 1914 🔗

I’m in Northern Ireland and the locations I am looking at are both north and south of the border. One place where my uncle lives isnt even a tourist spot and used to have tons of availability but there is next to nothing or something expensive.

391609 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1197 of 1914 🔗

More of a risk travel-wise but how about SW Scotland? I have heard good reports (and seen the photos to prove it) about Kirkcudbright as a good family holiday place.

391643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1198 of 1914 🔗

Lol I used to live in North Ayrshire in my early 20s. A 2nd home to me and many friends there. I’m open to it! I love Loch Trool.

391517 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1199 of 1914 🔗

I can’t say I blame them given that the tourism industry has been all but destroyed. They are desperately trying to recoup a small amount of the lost revenue in the vain hope that they might be able to survive a little longer.

391523 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richard O, 4, #1200 of 1914 🔗

Supply and demand indeed. 66m people looking for a staycation will do that.

391527 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Richard O, 1, #1201 of 1914 🔗

I had thought that, they need to make up what they have lost.

391929 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richard O, #1202 of 1914 🔗

Not a good enough explanation i’my afraid. The public are being well and truly shafted every which way.

391528 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1203 of 1914 🔗

My ex` sister in law is spending her “nhs windfall” on a campervan.

391536 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1204 of 1914 🔗

Campervan (both touring and statics) sales are going through the roof I believe.

391614 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1205 of 1914 🔗

Caravans are cheap and really quite good.

391646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1206 of 1914 🔗

My Dad and his wife own one on the north coast here but his wife is a bit of a clean freak and probably wouldn’t want us staying there.

391538 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1207 of 1914 🔗

Public expectations that the summer is going to be freedom and good times are now very high, I hope that Government realises this? And yes, being realistic people will not be looking to go abroad and so I imagine UK demand will be high which will push prices up.

391546 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1208 of 1914 🔗

The government are pushing this illusion in the public mind to increase voluntary uptake of the “vaccine”, nothing more. I am increasingly of the opinion that there will be no lifting of restrictions at all, and even internal holidays will be illegal.

391778 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 1, #1209 of 1914 🔗

Possibly. They’re going to need to sustain fear porn though, and that’s already getting difficult, especially since the ‘collateral damage’ report came out.

391825 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1210 of 1914 🔗

Do the holiday companies know? When I was in the UK at Christmas, I saw TV adverts for holidays with the slogan ‘Jab and Go’….obviously they have been told the jab will be pretty much mandatory for holidays…

391985 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Carrie, #1211 of 1914 🔗

Jab and GO?

392175 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, #1212 of 1914 🔗

I very much regret it, but my gut instincts are telling me the same. we will never be free again. we were allowed some ‘latitude’ last summer in the cause of the slow boiling of the frog; now we are well past that point, and they will turn the screws ever more tightly

391542 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1213 of 1914 🔗

Very sorry but holidays will only be for the rich and those ‘front-line’ workers so necessary to the government’s propaganda machine.

391575 ▶▶ davews, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1214 of 1914 🔗

Well I was looking forward to my coastal path walk last April…. the hotel where we were going to stay has now been closed and up for sale so that will never now happen. Would love a holiday but ain’t even thinking about it at the moment.

391607 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1215 of 1914 🔗

Don’t book, the lockdowns are forever!

391615 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1216 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely, prices are very high, been looking for several clients today availability very limited. Happy to help if you want as I work in travel. offlands at proton mail dot com. Can help with cottages, lodges, yurts, treehouses, campers, hotels and anything in between.

391648 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), #1217 of 1914 🔗

Thank you

391771 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ganjan21, #1218 of 1914 🔗

One of my siblings booked a cottage for our annual big family holiday this August, back in December. Said prices were astronomic even then.

391513 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1219 of 1914 🔗

Apparently on a suggestion from the organisers, this afternoon Radio Cornwall are canvassing for suggestions as to a programme of visits for the partners and hangers-on of this Summer’s G7 Cornwall meeting. It would seem that the organisers of this G7 conference are confident that Cornwall will be open enough by June to warrant some tourist visits, I doubt they would be keen to show them lots of places shut due to covid!

I think the people phoning in suggestions were a little surprised at the idea things would be up and running again by June, certainly this sort of thing is stoking up a lot of public expectation that the good times are going to roll as soon as the sun comes out.

391519 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1220 of 1914 🔗

I hope Cornwall goes to Tier 1 again for a little while so I can cross it off my list of tiers I’ve been in – that’s the only one left. Scilly Isles is quite a swim.

391524 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1221 of 1914 🔗

My suggestion for the G7 attendees will be not to leave their heavily guarded compounds. If they do they are likely to be lynched by the locals who are still in Tier 3.

391540 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 3, #1222 of 1914 🔗

An excellent idea. I’m all for it. Lets descend on them there!

391535 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1223 of 1914 🔗

Wish I’d heard that!! I’ve got a few suggestions, the kindest of which is a visit to the high street where our conservative MP’s office is situated. It’s trashed.
Golf courses might be open by then but I doubt they’ll actually leave the compound. As RO says, they’d be ill advised to emerge. The idea that those free loading fuckers can travel and we can’t makes me seethe.

391572 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1224 of 1914 🔗

If the government believed its propaganda public information, surely the G& summit would have been cancelled on the ground that it is an obvious risk?

391761 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1225 of 1914 🔗

It will be like those carefully choreographed coach tours of North Korea, where they build fake houses to cover up the slums from the roads.
They could also open some of those hard-currency tourist-only shops like they used to have in the USSR.

391518 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #1226 of 1914 🔗
391530 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to nickbowes, 13, #1227 of 1914 🔗

I think it’s time to leave this stupid country.

391537 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #1228 of 1914 🔗

Russia is looking very appealing.

391534 ▶▶ jos, replying to nickbowes, 5, #1229 of 1914 🔗

Or ask for the billions back from Dido Harding?

391522 DRW, replying to DRW, 30, #1230 of 1914 🔗

MSM come October:
Covid: Snorkels are the new masks, say experts

Experts have called for snorkel mandates to enhance protection over growing fears of a fresh wave of deaths and hospitalisations from new “mask resistant” variants

This comes a new study revealed no divers have ever contracted Covid underwater despite several more contagious mutations emerging throughout the past year, indicating potentially 100% higher protection than masks

Latest government modelling projects the measure could save up to 66.84 million lives in the fourth wave and and ensure an earlier winter peak

391583 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DRW, 2, #1231 of 1914 🔗

Glad you were able to make a joke!
I saw sth on some social media the other day, were 3 people actually walked down the street with diving masks and snorkels.

391675 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Silke David, #1232 of 1914 🔗

I remember when finger in the a*se was still a joke.
Now it’s reality. Not to speak of 2, 3 or 4 useless cloth masks- 2 were just mandated by the CDC in USA on every means of public transport today.
Maybe they should revisit basic maths: 2×0=0, 3×0=0 etc.

391600 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to DRW, 2, #1233 of 1914 🔗

Well I remember the studies that suggested tall people were less susceptible to catching the virus.

It makes perfect sense that a breathing tube reaching up into the sky would work.

Mandatory flippers on joggers should also reduce the amount of heavy breathing they do too.

391650 ▶▶ Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, replying to DRW, #1234 of 1914 🔗

‘Experts’ advise snorkel, then + flippers, then + finger up … no wait. But it is amusing how gullible some people are. 🙂

391708 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DRW, #1235 of 1914 🔗

🙌 It’s enough to send people round the bends!

391526 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1236 of 1914 🔗

The dictatorship is doing the fear porn

Their Stasi running dogs are doing the threat porn

I’ve added Valentine to the list of those who will stand trial

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-coronavirus-lockdown-cardiff-fine-19739351?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

391550 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1237 of 1914 🔗

Just look at those comments! The sadomasochist debtserfs are positively engorged!

Hahahahahaha!

391569 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1238 of 1914 🔗

Yes the responses are truly moronic. ‘Key workers’ suggesting the rules should be applied to everyone except themselves

391580 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1239 of 1914 🔗

I love trolling WOL

392047 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, #1240 of 1914 🔗

You must be running out of paper.
I wouldn’t bother with a trial.

391531 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1241 of 1914 🔗

UK Column is excellent please support and share.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-1st-february-2021

391547 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1242 of 1914 🔗

It was a particularly good show today. They are variable – but that one is worth watching.

391543 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 15, #1243 of 1914 🔗

Do you feel that for the lockdown zealots like Piers Morgan, lockdown is like a drug to them and do they remind you of addicts desperate for their next fix when they scream for more lockdowns.

391544 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ianric, 12, #1244 of 1914 🔗

His own mother has just had a vax reaction and why on earth did she have it anyway – as she’d had Covid already.

391659 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to ElizaP, 5, #1245 of 1914 🔗

I never understood why they haven’t advocated testing for that and ruling out for vaccination for those people who had had it already.
It’s basically the administration of an overdose.

391719 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JayBee, 8, #1246 of 1914 🔗

It’s wasting a jab that could have gone to a frightened teacher.

391754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #1247 of 1914 🔗

If anyone asks me if I’m having the jab, I say that I am refusing in order for the government to be able to give it to someone in greater need, if not here, then in, say, a European country where they don’t have enough supplies. It’s the least I can do.

391762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1248 of 1914 🔗

Good point. I distinctly remember Emily Morgan on ITV news early part of last year, gently nudging people with elderly relatives to ‘have a conversation’ with them, implying that if they were unfortunate enough to get seriously ill, to consider if they were taking medical care & hospital beds away from a young tolerant progressive person…the gist of her argument was they should think about distribution of resources to those more likely to benefit long term…

391899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1249 of 1914 🔗

Offer it to your MP first. Charity begins at home.

392109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1250 of 1914 🔗

ha ha, I’m donating mine to Matt Hancock! [and if he’s had it already, he can have another one!]

391560 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ianric, 18, #1251 of 1914 🔗

I am not even sure Piers Morgan even listens to himself. He demanded that the government cancel Christmas immediately prior to jetting off to Antigua for his Christmas holiday. He behaves like this all the time. Some people think he is a hypocrite, but I doubt it. A hypocrite has values and knows they are acting contrary to them. Piers Morgan doesn’t. His only concern is whatever he perceives to be in his interests at that particular moment, regardless of what he may have said only a moment before. He isn’t even a hypocrite. He’s a narcissist.

391818 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1252 of 1914 🔗

He’s a cunt who needs killing

391902 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jaguarpig, 4, #1253 of 1914 🔗

He certainly is!

391561 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Ianric, 9, #1254 of 1914 🔗

It’s a new religion for a godless society for these people , penance for those from a catholic background and a new form of temperance movement for those from a Presbyterian background . Thomas Sheridan has some great takes on the psychology of those who love the corona cult .

391565 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Christopher, 7, #1255 of 1914 🔗

It is certainly a belief system that is impervious to falsification.

391581 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1256 of 1914 🔗

As you say about Morgan , it’s more than just being a hypocrite because as you pointed out he really believes in anything at all except his own importance . He really is a great asset for pushing any agenda the establishment has for him to shout at the public through the idiot box .

391604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Christopher, 2, #1257 of 1914 🔗

And he has been very well rewarded for it.

391612 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Christopher, 1, #1258 of 1914 🔗

Sorry that was meant to say , Morgan doesn’t really believe in anything but his own importance .

391624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Christopher, 2, #1259 of 1914 🔗

In Hunger Games terms he would be Caesar Flickerman.

391637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1260 of 1914 🔗

Or Lewis Prothero in V for Vendetta .

391640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Christopher, 2, #1261 of 1914 🔗

An even better fit!

391729 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Christopher, 2, #1262 of 1914 🔗

His whole reason for living is the number of Twitter followers he has and the infantile way he promotes himself as having more followers than Alan Sugar.

The man is clearly very, very mentally unwell (Moron, not Shuggsy) and needs urgent help. Go back to his interview with Lord Sumption and his hypothetical 98 year old man who signed his own DNR and then could have become Tom Moore a year later. His arguments could be unwound by a 5 year old but most of them would lose interest in his nonsensical ramblings after a few seconds.

Even his own kids openly mock him on social media and clearly have no respect for him whatsoever.

391568 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Scouse Sceptic, 5, #1264 of 1914 🔗

They’ve always had both data sets (or at least since Prof H stopped them using within an infinite number of days). 28 days are the ones reported by the MSM every day.

391577 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 23, #1265 of 1914 🔗

Staggering graphic included in today’s UK Column update. Clear correlation between over 80s receiving their vaccine and subsequently succumbing to Covid-19.

So everything we have sacrificed to date is to “save lives” (or so we’re told), yet these vaccines are clearly killing our elderly and not a peep from the media or politicians.

More proof that it was never about a virus.

391591 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Scotty87, 3, #1266 of 1914 🔗

Funny that I have not seen this graph in the corporate media.

391597 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Scotty87, 13, #1267 of 1914 🔗

Correlation, sure. But January is always the most likely time of year for the aged to bow out. This year I imagine far more people will simply have lost the will to battle on becase they have been robbed of a meaningful life or not had other non-covid medical intervention. Not dismissing the idea of a negative vaccine impact but there are other extraordinary factors this year.

391603 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Scotty87, 5, #1268 of 1914 🔗

You should check the other peak in the spring, we’d expect an increase in old people deaths in January. You could probably infer that the vaccines aren’t helping at least. You could also check Scotland’s deaths too and see if they show a similar trend.

391654 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Scotty87, 4, #1269 of 1914 🔗

If this had ever been about the virus and public health, they would have followed the original time-tested WHO guidelines and done basically nothing.
Plus thrown money at properly designed RCTs for treatments like Vitamin B, D, Zinc, HCQ and Ivermectin&co.
Most of the people dying in the second wave could very likely have been saved thereby.
The responsible people in politics, media, business and ‘science’ should all face trial for that negligent mass manslaughter and be sent to a Gulag before going on to rot in hell.

391966 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JayBee, #1270 of 1914 🔗

Most would have been saved in the first wave, too. But, HCQ disappeared from from the shelves in France during February. It was not approved for use (essentially by Fauci) in the US until vaccines were approved. No one in UK has ever heard of it.

391682 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Scotty87, 1, #1271 of 1914 🔗

Has this only happened this year or is there are similar pattern every year. We know mortality peaks in January.

392144 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Mayo, #1272 of 1914 🔗

Usually about the 5th, isn`t it?

391578 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 19, #1273 of 1914 🔗

Tragic news in Sweden. They have succumbed to the virus. People have been seen hiding out in shopping malls in scenes reminiscent of Dawn of the Dead. You’ll need to go into the Tweet for the video:

https://twitter.com/mdvrdrmn/status/1354685442239721472

(Google translated from Swedish)

Delicious the normal normal in Stockholm! The Stockholm killing fields Country where politicians know what balanced risk assessment is. Don’t panic football and virologists are telling the truth

I’m just shocked to find a whole country full of granny killers.

391586 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #1274 of 1914 🔗

Hmmm, soon to be ex husband keeps telling me Sweden has had to lock down because their strategy has failed…

Like… their pubs are having to close at 10pm…

391593 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #1275 of 1914 🔗

Carrie has posted further down the thread about what is actually going on. Lockdown is most certainly isn’t,

391776 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, 1, #1276 of 1914 🔗

Feel free to ask any specific questions – I’ll answer if I see them!
This guy’s Twitter feed is worth following re Sweden: https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom
You don’t need to have Twitter to read it 🙂

391596 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1277 of 1914 🔗

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/do_lockdowns_work_2021-01-15.html

You might also draw his attention to Belarus.

391613 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1278 of 1914 🔗

Using the official covid death figures – let’s hoist them on their own petard:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk

‘covid deaths’ – UK 7-day moving average: 1174 – 18 per million

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden

covid deaths’ – Sweden 7-day moving average: 9 – 0.9 per million

Current ‘covid death’ rate is 20 times higher in the UK than Sweden

391608 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #1279 of 1914 🔗

In the news here in Portugal there used to be graphs showing how bad Sweden was. Commentators spoke with delight about how their libertarian measures were unsustainable and granny-killing. About a week ago, we overtook Sweden in number of deaths (the population of the two countries is very similar). The ‘Swedish line’ , which used to be well above the ‘Portuguese line’ and represented deaths per million, has vanished from the graphs. The commentators unfortunately haven’t vanished from TV, but they don’t talk about Sweden any more…

391620 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to jrsm, 8, #1280 of 1914 🔗

The worst thing about the media reporting is that they treated it like some sort of competition.

“We’re winning and they’re losing” is the message they all tried to convey.

Any rational person looks at what can be learned from elsewhere. They don’t simply dismiss things they don’t like.

391642 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1281 of 1914 🔗

That’s not just the media though.
It’s the vast majority of populations and politicians in those countries that fared well in the first wave.
Which is why they are super-angry and zealous during the second wave, which for all of them is bad and for many, a disaster (CZ, Poland, Austria etc.).
Never forget:
Sweden: 0 collateral damage and deaths (vs. a lowballed 105.000 and younger ones in the UK), and 0 responsibility for anyone of the 130 million in the 3rd world thrown back into poverty, hunger and ultimately death through Western lockdowns alone!
The UK lockdown proponents in contrast have the responsibility and blood on their hands for killing 4 million of those, the German ones for 5 million.
Plus ca change….

391801 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1282 of 1914 🔗

Today from Sweden: ‘ Sweden’s largest hospital, the Karolinska University Hospital in Stockholm just announced today in a press release that they can now leave the so-called Reinforcement Level that it has been in since 19th of November due to Covid-19.The fact that the hospital is leaving a reinforcement mode and switching to staff mode means that it is approaching a more normal operation..’

391599 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1283 of 1914 🔗

Can anyone spot a correlation between lockdown &’cases’? No, neither can I.

391666 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 2, #1284 of 1914 🔗

Snap, Nick! I’ve got one of them, too. 🙂

Agree with what you say; lockdowns haven’t made any significant changes to the curves of the graphs.

The one thing that does stand out for me is the drop when lockdown 3 started; it’s too steep and dropped too early. It should have levelled, then dropped. It looks ‘manufactured’ to me. Could be just me, though.

391722 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 1, #1285 of 1914 🔗

I know not everyone like R, but this is where it is most useful. The restrictions should affect R immediately – then it feeds into daily new ‘cases’ and then infectious in society, then hospitalisations then deaths. There was zero effect of lockdown 1 on R (see below) and lockdown 3 happened 2 weeks after the peak in R which subsequently fell linearly.

The frauds will compare one of the lagged measures with lockdown and try to show they coincide. The evidence from R is clear – they don’t so anything

391748 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, 4, #1286 of 1914 🔗

Yes, lockdown 1 saw cases peak about 5 days before 23rd March lockdown (which means the actual high point of virus transmission was 4 or 5 days before that.
Lockdown 2, peaked Oct 31st, so transmission peaked a few days prior to that.
Lockdown 3, London & South East peaked Dec 29th & North about Jan 8th so transmission peak a few days earlier.
With each lockdown the government rode a declining curve.

391837 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, #1287 of 1914 🔗

Thanks Nick. Your graphs are brilliant. I really liked the one where you used your date of birth. It was a brilliant piece of journalism however short.

391605 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 91, #1288 of 1914 🔗

Have some more good news to share with you all from this weekend. My boyfriend and I (whose house I have regularly visited throughout) visited one of his mates and his girlfriend at their place. Zero fucks were given towards social distancing etc. A mutual friend and her boyfriend are also completely unbothered so we are organising a get together for the 6 of us in a few weeks’ time. Not all of us young people have bought into this!

391622 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nocheesegromit, 16, #1289 of 1914 🔗

Hope it gave you a boost, NCG. Humans need each other to survive. It’s that simple.

391745 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #1290 of 1914 🔗

Oh it definitely did, thank you. Games of Cards Against Humanity are planned for next time which never fails to cheer me up!

391895 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1291 of 1914 🔗

Time there was a Covid version.

391625 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to nocheesegromit, 21, #1292 of 1914 🔗

Hats off the most to all young people, doctors, policemen, politicians and civil servants who are Sceptics!

391798 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JayBee, 2, #1293 of 1914 🔗

You don’t need many hats to salute them all individually.

391634 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nocheesegromit, 19, #1294 of 1914 🔗

Good for you. Building an underground parallel society is all we can do for the moment – efforts to persuade others seem largely pointless. I understand now how active homosexuals must have felt prior to 1967.

391690 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nocheesegromit, 8, #1295 of 1914 🔗

Good luck to you all. If I were younger I’d gatecrash! 😂 😂

392089 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1296 of 1914 🔗

good for you! just getting on with your life is now a subversive, revolutionary act, but every time you do it remember you are dealing a blow to tyranny and fascism

392156 ▶▶ jos, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1297 of 1914 🔗

Thanks or this – it’s made me so happy!

391611 Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #1298 of 1914 🔗

This was posted earlier

The vote is non-binding but will be interesting to see how people vote – how many Tories vote for (ultra pro lockdown) and how many vote against (hopefully Swayne et al)

According to the DM there are lots of Tories who support this

It’s zero-covid madness – people still going on about NZ and Aus as models

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9209669/Boris-orders-Tory-MPs-ABSTAIN-Labour-vote-border-rules.html

Boris orders Tory MPs to ABSTAIN in Labour vote demanding quarantine for all overseas arrivals to stop mutant Covid strains

  • Labour wants the Government to introduce hotel quarantine for all UK arrivals
  • Currently the policy only applies to people arriving in UK from ‘red list’ countries
  • Labour will try to force vote on the issue but Boris Johnson told Tories to abstain
391629 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 1, #1299 of 1914 🔗

Very interesting, I expect it to pass as there are way more Covid Cult fanatics in the Tory backbenches than not.

For complete Covid Zero compliance, they should close the UK border for civilian travel altogether. No one in, no one out, indefinitely.

391667 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Richard O, 2, #1300 of 1914 🔗

What about arriving in a dinghy?

391680 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #1301 of 1914 🔗

Dinghies are fine, the border control will even help tow you in.

391630 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #1302 of 1914 🔗

Comments are almost 100% supportive of Labour and in favour of closing borders

391641 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 9, #1303 of 1914 🔗

If they were going to secure the borders, they should have done so back at the beginning of January 2020 before the virus was here. They chose not to on the advice of Valance, Whitty et al. Now it is endemic, securing the borders is nothing but theatre, being seen to be doing something.

391645 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1304 of 1914 🔗

It was endemic in the UK before January 2020 IMHO.

391662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1305 of 1914 🔗

Probably was and closing the borders isn’t a sustainable solution as Aus and NZ are finding, and is impractical for a country as connected as the UK, and way more damaging to our economy than any possible benefit, and when do you reopen? When you have a vaccine? A vaccine you discover doesn’t work against mutations?

Maybe the last piece of good advice Whitty and Vallance gave before they lost the plot

391681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 3, #1306 of 1914 🔗

fundamental difference. NZ in particular cut itself off so will need to continue being cut off forever.
Here it will make not one iota of difference to the prevalence of covid but no doubt it is planned to have some political or publicity function

391736 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to mj, 3, #1307 of 1914 🔗

Never go Full Howard Hughes.

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391885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1308 of 1914 🔗

Did no-one tell him you can take the shoes out of the boxes?

391683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1309 of 1914 🔗

I’ve heard it said it was circulating at least 9 months before it was discovered.

392030 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #1310 of 1914 🔗

All dictatorships have been closed societies.The unfortunate citizens can have no point of reference.

391656 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #1311 of 1914 🔗

And most comments are worded in a kind of “anti-foreigner” way so either people don’t realise it applies to returning Brits or none of them expect to leave the country any time soon

391658 ▶▶▶ suitejb, replying to Julian, 6, #1312 of 1914 🔗

Closing borders makes no sense at all. We can’t close the border at Dover to freight and even if that were possible how long could we do it for?
At some point borders will have to be reopened and then what. The virus is hardly likely to have slunk away in defeat!

391787 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to suitejb, 3, #1313 of 1914 🔗

It has been trialled before, check out ‘Berlin Air Lift’.

Look forward to Chinese and North Korean jets flying over and dropping packets of noodles for the poor helpless Brits.

Go Piffle Go (the further the better) the man must have had a nervous breakdown, no other explanation possible.

391704 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 1, #1314 of 1914 🔗

I havent tested it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the site is deleting opposing views/comments.

391710 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 1, #1315 of 1914 🔗

They’ve not deleted the couple of sceptical comments I read, yet

391750 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, 5, #1316 of 1914 🔗

Anyone else remember the days when those advocating strict border controls were racist & xenophobic? I miss those days…! 🙂

391757 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #1317 of 1914 🔗

The trouble is that Labour want border closures because they are fully signed up to coronamadness and many Tory MPs and many more of their supporters like the idea of closing borders because they are naturally inclined that way

It’s an unholy alliance

391847 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #1318 of 1914 🔗

Starmer = Trilateral Commission = Rothschild

Following the playbook.

392149 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Julian, #1319 of 1914 🔗

And Keir Starmer is a member of the Trilateral commission- an anti democratic secret society- and not in any sense at all left wing so I’d say he’s been set up to be our next Uberfuhrer ready to strip our assets.

391668 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 3, #1320 of 1914 🔗

Protect the NHS is now morphing into Protect the vaccines.

391672 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1321 of 1914 🔗

How do you protect a vaccine?

391687 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 3, #1322 of 1914 🔗

That’s the logic being peddled for closing the borders. To stop mutations that might bypass the vaccines from entering the UK.

Nick Thomas-Symonds, the shadow home secretary, said: ‘Labour is giving every Conservative MP the chance to vote to end this mess and protect Britain against COVID-19 mutations.

‘By testing and quarantining all arrivals, not just a few, we can help to protect vaccines against new strains . More dither and delay is unacceptable. The British people demand we protect our borders – we must act now.’

391703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1323 of 1914 🔗

Jesus H Christ. That’s mental illness, right there.

391724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1324 of 1914 🔗

Not mental illness. Just plain, good old fascism dressed up as “it’s all for your own good.”

391707 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1325 of 1914 🔗

Well, OK, but what about
1) Mutations that happen here
2) At what point do we reopen the borders? The mutations will continue to occur forever, everywhere. Either vaccines work reasonably well against most/all mutations, or they don’t. If they do, all well and good, we’re OK. If they don’t, betting everything on vaccines is madness.

391720 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #1326 of 1914 🔗

Thomas-Symonds: The British people had demanded that you protect the borders twenty years ago, and you called them racists, xenophobes, etc. Both Labour and Tory had refused to do that, now it’s politically expedient for you to demand border closures, you pretend to represent the British people?? Go take a long jump off a longer pier.
The British people are demanding nothing of the kind. Closing the border means making the UK a prison, like East Germany behind the Berlin wall.

391628 isobar, 1, #1328 of 1914 🔗

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391631 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 4, #1329 of 1914 🔗

CDC US -10 K adverse events, close to 300 dead from the vaxx’s. Interesting to see what the long term adverse effects might be.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/at-least-273-deaths-9845-adverse-events-after-covid-vaccination-so-far-cdc-data?utm_source=featured&utm_campaign=standard

391660 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to FerdIII, 10, #1330 of 1914 🔗

They gave pregnant women the jab!!! WTF!!!

391636 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1331 of 1914 🔗

Press Release

Government announces the roll out of LRF

A spokesperson announced. “We are extremely pleased to announce the roll out of the LRF program

This £400m program will see approximately eight million extra people gain immunity by mid March

We dismiss as ‘mere speculation’ that the program contract had been awarded to an Old Etonian and close friend of the Leader

The program will initially concentrate on rural areas where LRF is likely to produce better results

Recipients will initially be contacted by telephone

Further information is available on our website http://www.lrf.com

391715 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1332 of 1914 🔗

Go on then. I’ll ask. What’s LRF?

391744 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1333 of 1914 🔗

“Like Really Frickin'” long covid, maybe?!

391760 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1334 of 1914 🔗

Laxatives Reduce Fatalities?

391773 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1335 of 1914 🔗

If I can live as long as Captain Tom I don’t mind spending more time in the little boy’s room.

392443 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tenchy, #1336 of 1914 🔗

Lucky Rabbits Foot?

391655 Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 17, #1338 of 1914 🔗

I’m going to take one for the team and watch Hancock panicking about the SA mutant ninja turtle, end of days, day after tomorrow, 28 days later, contagion, outbreak variant.

391684 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 6, #1339 of 1914 🔗

I don’t suppose he would die of fright about it? Oh well.

391693 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1340 of 1914 🔗

Not yet. 105 people have been identified as super zombies though.

391734 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), #1341 of 1914 🔗

What’s a super zombie?

391877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1342 of 1914 🔗

Saffer Strain cases. Those babies don’t go down easy.

391696 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 1, #1343 of 1914 🔗

Good luck and may the force be with you.

391698 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 3, #1344 of 1914 🔗

You’re very brave, with a strong stomach.
It’s more than i wish to subject myself to.

391702 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 3, #1345 of 1914 🔗

You’re a hero. I look forward to reading your synopsis of this disaster movie.

391732 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sarigan (Day 315 of lockdown), 1, #1346 of 1914 🔗

Super-Covid

391661 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1347 of 1914 🔗

We’ve just heard my MIL’s care home has been closed due to 4 positive tests. They have all received the new vaccine. All visits has been conducted via a glass wall so only the staff have had contact with them!! No more visits until end of February!

391664 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1348 of 1914 🔗

So would a mask not work?

391674 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1349 of 1914 🔗

Apparently not! All staff were masked up and as I said visits have been conducted behind a glass wall, floor to ceiling!

391692 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #1350 of 1914 🔗

The vaccine is a crock of shite or the PCR test is. I guess that could be an And not an Or.

391727 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1351 of 1914 🔗

If she received the Pfizer vaccine she would’ve had a weakened immune system and therefore caught the virus. Things they don’t tell you. Steer clear.

391663 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 22, #1352 of 1914 🔗

They’re going door to door, testing, according to the DM, this country has turned into a madhouse, they’re all trying to make as much money from Covid while they can.

391670 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1353 of 1914 🔗

Not money, destruction – that’s what they want.

391689 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 2, #1354 of 1914 🔗

And then what, they run?

391711 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1355 of 1914 🔗

No, then they hope to have power. That’s what this is about.

391749 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to this is my username, 2, #1356 of 1914 🔗

Power and a socialist state, that always works well.

391705 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1357 of 1914 🔗

Before we hang them!

391820 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, #1358 of 1914 🔗

How are you proposing to remove all the obstacles in our way without the help of re-humanised zombies?

391716 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1359 of 1914 🔗

What an absolute waste of money. Why are they still doing this and why are people agreeing to testing??? It beats me!

391739 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Janette, 2, #1360 of 1914 🔗

Can’t believe it either, if they come to mine they’ll wish they hadnt

391829 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DanClarke, #1361 of 1914 🔗

I really wish they would come to mine for that reason!

391755 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1362 of 1914 🔗

If Hancock has leaked peoples’ medical details, do you think they know who has already been tested, ie whose DNA they already have, and will not knock on those doors?

391673 isobar, replying to isobar, 46, #1363 of 1914 🔗

South African Variant? I am more worried about the Westminster variant that seems to have infected MPs (with some notable exceptions) resulting in an inability to see through the crap advice from SAGE and get our country back on our feet.

391688 ▶▶ Janette, replying to isobar, 2, #1364 of 1914 🔗

Hahaha love it

391725 ▶▶ alw, replying to isobar, 6, #1365 of 1914 🔗

It’s called Munchhausen‘s by proxy. An old variant.

391840 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to isobar, 2, #1366 of 1914 🔗

Most of them can’t see beyond their own avarice. They use the CCP Virus as an excuse to claim more expenses than the average UK WAGE and very few even turn up to work.

391678 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1367 of 1914 🔗

Is Ted Bundy on at 5pm?

391691 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1368 of 1914 🔗

Ted Bundy was handsome, charismatic and erudite. Hancock is none of these things.

391695 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1369 of 1914 🔗

Please. He is a younger Harold Shipman that’s all. Too dumb to do medicine though.

391718 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1370 of 1914 🔗

Al Bundy from Love and Marriage?….brilliant comedy

391765 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1371 of 1914 🔗

Al Bundy would do a better job than this Government.

391827 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1372 of 1914 🔗

That made me laugh.

391685 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 65, #1373 of 1914 🔗

My friend is a psychologist for the NHS, works with the more extreme cases linked to drug addiction. She had a baby just before this all started and recently back to work after maternity, but cant see her patients face to face, which she is genuinely annoyed about.
Her husband and her tested positive for Covid a few weeks ago and she said now she has had it she is relaxed about the rules and since she is pregnant again, she doesn’t think it’s that bad, said she has had worse hangovers. Wants to arrange an underground birthday party for her daughter soon, to which I happily agreed to (some other Mums chin wobbling about it). She said at the weekend, her and her husband and family made an ‘illegal’ trip to her in laws. She is having a rough time, her mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer a month ago then had a stroke the following day, and she has not been able to see her in hospital. Her mother then contracted Covid in hospital. She is stressed out and at her wits end.
When she said in our whattsapp group that she made this trip, I said she was quite right to do it, she had been having a difficult time lately and if needs must, e.t.c
It got me thinking again how its our basic human need to see loved ones. Not a want or desire, a need.
The government have stripped us of our basic needs, it is psychological warfare they have created. My Granny said she was told by a nurse that after her 2nd dose of the vaccine, she may still not be able to hug anyone. What sort of shit is this!!!!
These fuckers running this show need lined up and tortured, the lot of them.

391700 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ganjan21, 29, #1374 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been seeing close family and the few friends I have left regardless

391728 ▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Julian, 15, #1375 of 1914 🔗

Been to sisters. Sister, Brother and I with our spouses went together and sang happy birthday to our mother outside her care home window. We then all went to Brother’s new house for coffee.

All 6 of us think it is all ridiculous.

391788 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Julian, 5, #1376 of 1914 🔗

Thankfully a lot of my family and friends dont care either and I still see them,hug etx,but the ones that have been conditioned into thinking it’s ‘wrong’ beggars belief.

391764 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #1377 of 1914 🔗

Without wishing to be intrusive, may I ask if she (your friend) had had a flu vaccination prior to getting covid? Thank you.

391785 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Portnadler, 5, #1378 of 1914 🔗

Yes she did.

391793 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #1379 of 1914 🔗

We have to find a way to take it all back before everyone is poisoned.

391983 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #1380 of 1914 🔗

My Granny said she was told by a nurse that after her 2nd dose of the vaccine, she may still not be able to hug anyone.”

… which pretty well screws any rationale for taking the snake oil.

392018 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RickH, 5, #1381 of 1914 🔗

Yes, what on earth is the point of taking the risk of any adverse reactions to the vaccine, if there is no upside (in the form of fewer restrictions)?

392283 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RichardJames, 1, #1382 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely none.

392061 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #1383 of 1914 🔗

You are so right, I agree with every point you make. I am cut off from my [adult] children, and I am prepared to do ANYTHING to see them again, I will even cycle 200 miles through the back routes at night if necessary, there is simply NO WAY I am going to accept never seeing them again just to please the evil shitweasel Hancock. it’s not negotiable. I don’t care if I leave a trail of corpses in my wake, and I can not understand why so many are rolling over for this OUTRAGE

392240 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Ganjan21, #1384 of 1914 🔗

Good for her. I wish both of you the best and I hope her daughter enjoys her birthday!

391701 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1385 of 1914 🔗

This might seem a daft question but I take it the borders are still open to air and sea freight?

391713 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #1386 of 1914 🔗

obviously they are?….Amazon are still bringing in Chinese shit by the lorry load?……

391721 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Luckyharry69, 16, #1387 of 1914 🔗

Sorry, bit of a blown fuse in the brain for a moment there for me! Yes of course they are, the country would starve in a week otherwise. Of course the thousands of lorries that enter through our ports every day make a complete nonsense of the “keep out the mutant strains”!!! lunacy.

391783 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1388 of 1914 🔗

The cognitive dissonance of the masses is as startling as it is hilarious – the arteries of the country are full to overflowing with the business of international logistics, meanwhile, the frightened hostile cattle are quick compare the occassional unmasked shopper in Sainsburys to Typhoid Mary herself.

391717 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1389 of 1914 🔗

Yup. My neighbour flies for DHL and their incredibly busy.

392015 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1390 of 1914 🔗

Of course,we would all starve within 6 months if they were shut.

391733 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1391 of 1914 🔗

Well, you lot are obviously really interested in what Handjob has to say. 😉

Let me summarise so far:

Handjob: “Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.”
Powis: “Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.”
Hopkins: “Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.”
Members of Public (x2): “Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.”
Reporters: “Vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.”

End of presser.

Oh, and as reported yesterday on the BBC:

391740 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1392 of 1914 🔗

Thanks for a perfect summary of the entirety of British state policy. “Vaccines” is indeed what it is all about, and has been since day one. Nothing else matters.

391752 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 3, #1393 of 1914 🔗

It’s all about this too, courtesy of Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD-ioJM8v64 (12 minutes)

391791 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1395 of 1914 🔗

‘Vacuous’ would be a better word.

391741 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1396 of 1914 🔗

If there are no new arguments then I have no need to review my “go fuck yourself” position. Handy.

391746 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1397 of 1914 🔗

flicked on BBC heard wancock say “door to door test delivery” and turned back to BBC2 –
Hopeless to Pointless .

391979 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1398 of 1914 🔗

You forgot the last sentence :

“vaccines, vaccines ….errr….but ….”

391737 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 28, #1399 of 1914 🔗

I received a letter today from the NHS asking me to take part in a Covid survey run by Imperial College, where I have to apply for a test kit and send it back. I’m thinking of sending back a stool sample without a container and a note saying ‘I hope you can use this instead.’

Or am I being a bit harsh? I’ve no desire to have anything to do with either Imperial or the National Covid Service unless absolutely necessary.

391738 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1400 of 1914 🔗

Can they still harvest your DNA from a stool?

391786 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1401 of 1914 🔗

It depends what you were (or weren’t) wearing.

391747 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1402 of 1914 🔗

How did they get their grubby hands on your address?

391780 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, 1, #1403 of 1914 🔗

He must be a model patient.

391753 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1404 of 1914 🔗

“no hablo ingles”

391795 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1405 of 1914 🔗

Interesting. I got one last week. Went straight in the bin. They are getting desperate for ‘evidence’.

391799 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1406 of 1914 🔗

Get the test and then scrape vegetable or fruit proteins to see what happens. Then if it comes back positive, put it on social media and see what happens.

391991 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1407 of 1914 🔗

Returned mine last week.
‘return to sender’

392198 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1408 of 1914 🔗

I hope you wrapped it around a brick first.

392043 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cranmer, #1409 of 1914 🔗

LOL, do it, please do it!

392074 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, #1410 of 1914 🔗

Surely this is why people keep dogs ?

Why, they’d probably be very much in favour of people posting their poo all around the country. 🙂

391742 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1411 of 1914 🔗

UK Column today.

Tune in to hear the indepth look at the swap testing practice by an experienced nurse. The first report is essential listening too.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-1st-february-2021

391766 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 15, #1412 of 1914 🔗

Yes – that was particularly interesting for me, since I have refused to have a swab up my snozzle on three occasions because of the invasiveness and discomfort.

As others have remarked – it is incredible (in the literal sense) that a disease that is allegedly so transmissible cannot be detected by very simple and ordinary swabbing methods. Clearly, if you have to dig for the virus, it isn’t much of a threat.

391770 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basics, 3, #1413 of 1914 🔗

Also check out on Bitchute an article titled Spacebusters once were the living-full Covid scam uncovered. A must watch and very scarey!

391759 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1414 of 1914 🔗

The Inquiry

Won’t be investigated by the protagonists. Also those scientists etc who have been actively opposed. That doesn’t leave many people. Who have kept their heads down throughout the whole shitshow?

391910 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1415 of 1914 🔗

Who have kept their heads down – Sajid Javid for one. always thought that was a little curious.

392005 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1416 of 1914 🔗

Remember he was removed as Chancellor just before this happened.Maybe he didn’t want to go along with it.

391763 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 8, #1417 of 1914 🔗

According to the main TV news in Germany, Austria will allow hairdressers, other close contact businesses and schools open from next week.
Hang on – all customers have to have a test 48h prior, pupils and teachers need to get tested once a week.

391813 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Silke David, 11, #1418 of 1914 🔗

I can still get my hair cut without too much hassle here in Sweden, but where I go the staff have recently started wearing masks 🙁 . Which they have not done before. Strangely they’ve started doing so since the cases numbers started to drop…

391839 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 3, #1419 of 1914 🔗

Sad to hear that

When I had my hair cut in Stockholm last October the lady that did it shook my hand and introduced herself!

391870 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 3, #1420 of 1914 🔗

Ages since anyone shook my hand – sometimes they mime hugging me, more often it’s an elbow bump. Which is quite funny since official guidance is also to sneeze into your elbow!

391831 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Silke David, 5, #1421 of 1914 🔗

My Phillips 5570 has almost paid for itself. And the pudding basin has stayed in the cupboard. I had to blag my way past an Argos door Nazi to get it but it was worth it.

391768 skybluesam, replying to skybluesam, 9, #1422 of 1914 🔗

Just trying to listen to the Snowdon v Hewson debate but don’t think I’ll make it far. Snowdon’s opening statement has had a claim that it would be a “reasonable assumption” that if we hadn’t locked down, 80,000 people a week would be dying of Covid along with a classic “let it rip” soundbite. Surely he knows how ridiculous he sounds?

391777 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to skybluesam, 9, #1423 of 1914 🔗

Obviously he hasn’t even looked at the countries that had no lockdown. Idiot

391851 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #1424 of 1914 🔗

What happened to Snowdon? He wrote a great piece for Spiked a while back about how Sweden had completely destroyed the case for lockdown.

391890 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1425 of 1914 🔗

He along with Dan Hodges have obviously been offered a place in the essential to the war effort queue.

391782 ▶▶ skybluesam, replying to skybluesam, 2, #1426 of 1914 🔗

His theory seems to be it’s “reasonable” to assume that the “cases” would have continued to double in perpetuity without lockdown, something entirely disproven by many different case studies now.

Edited for the 80k figure, he said 35k. Still ridiculous

391796 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to skybluesam, 6, #1427 of 1914 🔗

If the foundation of his argument is a logical fallacy, you are wasting your time. Time that would be better spent logging on to amazon.co.uk and shitting on his latest book. For example.

391769 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 46, #1428 of 1914 🔗

I WANT MY PAVEMENT BACK!

Can we start up a campaign to get our pavements back? I’m sick to the back teeth of people cacking their pants every time they see someone walking towards them! Good grief. The amount of people I see frozen with hesitation/trepidation when faced with an ‘oncoming human being’ simply beggars belief. All I wanted to do was go for a good long walk and work up a sweat, and I’m faced with a constant stream of zombie citizens scared of their own shadow.

That’s it. We’re finished as a rational, functioning society. It’s over. They’ve infantilised the ‘great British public,’ or rather, the ‘great British public’ has allowed itself to be infantilised.

Utterly, utterly PATHETIC.

391772 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 33, #1429 of 1914 🔗

Walk on the pavement.
Let the zombie cretins step under a bus.
Squelch.
Good riddance.
Go on walking.

391775 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #1430 of 1914 🔗

Very well summed up!

391781 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #1431 of 1914 🔗

I scare them further with a cheery “good morning/afternoon/evening.”

391790 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1432 of 1914 🔗

I met one today and she swerved that much, she was closer to the pavement on the other side of the road than she was to me.

391811 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1433 of 1914 🔗

Have any swervers been run over yet? Do the ONS stats have that kind of granularity?

391835 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1434 of 1914 🔗

DUNNO,But you can bet they will be classed as dying of Covid.

391816 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #1435 of 1914 🔗

….but, also very amusing. Well, if you’re a twat like me it is.

391891 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1436 of 1914 🔗

I know I totally agree. Maybe we should split the country into us lot and then the rest and we will all live happily ever after!

392034 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Janette, 3, #1437 of 1914 🔗

we need to find some territory where the covid writ doesn’t run, where we can set up our own parallel society

391923 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1438 of 1914 🔗

I simply walk straight on. If they want to get out of the way, let them.
If they don’t get out of the way, I say thank you. If that is possible of course…

391997 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1439 of 1914 🔗

4 yoofs, probably 13 or 14, blocking the pavement on my afternoon dog walk.

Obviously used to people crossing the road to pass them because they were very surprised when I ploughed straight through them.

392070 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1440 of 1914 🔗

Send the dog through first. Tell them it’s ‘got covid’ ! 🙂

391797 RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #1441 of 1914 🔗

I’ve been pondering this latest information about the Pfizer vaccine and mortality.

Let’s be clear of my starting point – which is that I wouldn’t touch any of the vaccines with a bargepole on the basis of such scanty testing – and I wouldn’t go anywhere near an mRNA vaccine in particular.

But, although there is now observational information that such caution is supported by more direct evidence, I fear that there is too much resorting to confirmation bias rather than proper analysis.

To restate a boring, but important statistical law : correlation is not causation.

Our strength is a belief in analysis rather than woolly assertion. In fact, it is the fundamental basis of being a Sceptic. – and there is work to be done in this area of the association between the vaccine and mortality in the elderly population.

391850 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 9, #1442 of 1914 🔗

Just to toy with something that struck me when reading through the collection of anecdotes about adverse reactions, deaths and nasty looking pictures …. what if the mRNA induced immune response was activating against nerve tissue protiens? Perhaps it would explain the muscular/sensory/glossopharyngeal neuralgia, headaches, brain fog etc? God, I hope I’m totally wrong.

392044 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GrannySlayer, #1443 of 1914 🔗

Sounds good to me.

391855 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to RickH, 8, #1444 of 1914 🔗

While I agree that correlation does not equal causation, I do not trust that proper, unbiased studies will ever be done to even determine the strength of the correlation. “The science” has failed us and each of us must decide — either by looking at the observational information or by going with our guts — whether or not to take part in this experiment. There is too much money at stake for the pharma companies to conduct proper trials and to report honestly.

391955 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1445 of 1914 🔗

I do not trust that proper, unbiased studies will ever be done to even determine the strength of the correlation”

In which case, it will remain in the realm of assumption.

But such analysis doesn’t need to be done from within the tent, and without it, the relationship is in the same ball-park as assertions about lockdowns being effective. It’s no good Sceptics whining about lack of evidence re. Covid measures unless they keep to alternative standards.

391969 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 4, #1446 of 1914 🔗

Assumption.

I assume that anything to be injected into my body is unsafe unless proven otherwise.

391882 ▶▶ Jo, replying to RickH, 3, #1447 of 1914 🔗

I posted a CDC chart yesterday about adverse reactions and deaths in the US following vaccines. There is also a report which I read a couple of weeks ago, but which was written a few years ago, that it is accepted (in US at least) that adverse incident reporting is inadequate – ie there are far more adverse incidents than are reported. So I think there is already evidence coming in about the dangers but of course vaccine only dangerous to those outside UK.
In reality the adverse reactions are a small proportion of vaccines given but I think most of us who are worried about mRNA vaccines are far more concerned about the long term effects.
We will obviously have to wait for those.

391888 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, 5, #1448 of 1914 🔗

Personally I believe there is a high probability that the vaccines will do more good than harm. I get a fair few downvotes when I say this, but I don’t care because for me this is about truth, not “picking a side”.

I agree though, that doesn’t mean they were ready for approval. I don’t advocate rolling out so widely with no visibility of potential medium to long-term risks.

Some people seem desperate to believe that all those vaccinated will indeed drop dead due to ADE within months, which is a rather pessimistic position to hold I feel.

391905 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Tee Ell, 13, #1449 of 1914 🔗

Well, self-confessed pessimist I am, but having listened the concerns of many doctors and scientists world wide about ADE and other concerns, I think it is a possibility that quite a large number of people will be harmed. It happened to the animals in the testing for SarsCoV1 and that’s why they abandoned it. It may be that things are ok and if it helps ameliorate symptoms all well and good. But it isn’t a vaccine in the traditional sense and seems to me the biggest con is that HQC and Ivermectin could have been used as the treatment rather than this hugely expensive experimental gene tech.

391914 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tee Ell, 15, #1450 of 1914 🔗

It’s a brand new, untrialled, unproven technology. How can you know? How can anyone on the entire planet possibly know? That’s the issue.

There is no data. Calling it good is an act of faith alone.

391948 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1451 of 1914 🔗

Ha, that sounds like what people say about SARS-CoV-2. “It’s so brand new! It’s so novel! We know nothing!”. I don’t subscribe to this view – those people have a very good point in that there are big unknowns, but I’m fine leaving some things to probability based on precedent and what we do think we know.

So it’s not brand new, the technology has been under development for many years. What’s new is the mass rollout. It’s not untrialled, but I don’t think trials have been sufficient, hence me not advocating rollout. It isn’t proven, I agree.

So how can I know? I can’t, but having read a load of literature on ADE in the context of this and various other pathogens, my conclusion is that there is a very high probability the vaccines will do more good than harm. But by definition, because I’ve expressed this as a probability, I’m already saying I don’t “know”. By implication, I’m also saying there’s a very low probability of harms outweighing benefits. That’s why I don’t support mass rollout yet – primum non necere.

But if I were an older person and was offered this and the risks were appropriately explained (I don’t think they are being explained generally), I wouldn’t be offended. If I were over 75 I might say yes.

391977 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1452 of 1914 🔗

So how can I know?”

You can’t – and never can.

But sensible assessment of probabilities (which – you’re right – is what any decision is about) can only be made on the basis of adequate evidence.

Which, in the case of m RNA vaccines (and, indeed, more conventional ones) is massively lacking in terms of sufficient RCTs over an adequate time period.

392037 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, 1, #1453 of 1914 🔗

Well it´s important to choose a safe pair of hands like Pfizer.
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer

391994 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1454 of 1914 🔗

If I were over 75, I would take a vaccine. The risk/benefit ratio based on the data to date is skewed to suggest it makes sense, and at over 75, I’d not be too worried about ADE arising, given I would expect to live for only another 20 or so at best anyway.

As a healthy 40 something however, no way does the risk/benefit equation stack up.

392032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to sophie123, 1, #1455 of 1914 🔗

Over 75 and up to 85, see Norway.
America’s Frontline Doctor’s have issued a similar evaluation and guidance.

392048 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1456 of 1914 🔗

“Ha, that sounds like what people say about SARS-CoV-2.”

We’ve seen coronaviruses, we’ve seen SARS, we have an idea about what they are all about, transmission paths etc etc. MRNA is a blank page, completely novel. The two are not the same at all.

You can read all of the literature you like, it is all hypothetical until the rubber meets the road. Assigning probability is highly specualtive, and where the health of a population is concerned, it’s unethical to speculate so freely. Now that’s not to say your own speculation is unethical, that’s just your opinion, but to be a policymaker or a pharmaceutical manufacturer and make such a speculation, a gamble, and where such speculation has an impact on the lives of billions, is just plain wrong.

392114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1457 of 1914 🔗

I wasn’t trying to equate this to the evidence base around SARS-CoV-2 transmission to be honest, that was just a silly quip. My point was just around the semantics. It appears we’re in agreement in terms of sentiment and I know a little exaggeration makes a good point and is more fun, but I can’t go with the “completely novel” wording.

Yes it’s a blank page, but in a book that essentially opened in 1990 with a successful animal trial.

So I agree actual policy shouldn’t be speculative, but speculating is fun. If you had to guess based on what you’ve read about mRNA tech or prior evidence on ADE etc., would you say it’ll be more harm than good, or more good than harm?

392166 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1458 of 1914 🔗

Based on pure speculation, and the theory that money talks…

The pharma companies have a long history of lawsuits. Pfizer, for example, settled the largest healthcare fraud case in history. They also have been responsible for some of the worst and most disgusting commercial profiteering in the world. That they are both profit hungry and unscrupulous is demonstrable beyond question.

New mRNA technology, made possible by CRISPR, has the potential to be the new pharmaceutical gold rush. It may lead to ‘vaccines’ being produced in under six months, and a possible cure for cancer. It is, potentially, a license to print money.

Understandably, a huge amount has been spent on researching this new pharma Holy Grail. Despite the many forward guidance promises made to investors, institutions and governments, the goose has not yet begun shit out the golden eggs.

Animal trials have been disasterous, and it is still very much in the ‘beta’ phase of testing – to borrow a term from software development. However, the pressure to come up with a working product, to recover development costs, and to be the first to start licensing patents, is understandably enormous.

Along comes the ‘pandemic’, and people begging for a new vaccine to be produced en masse in a very shortened development timescale, with the potential to bypass the usual requirements, with full indemnity guaranteed, and a sea of blank government cheques.

You’re a big pharma CEO with a hole in your balance sheet, a goldmine infront of you, and a get-out-of-jail-free card. Per Ford vs Dodge, it is your legal obligation to make a shit ton of cash for your investors, first and foremost….

What do you do?

392218 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1459 of 1914 🔗

I will refuse the vaccine and make sure I have a healthy diet and supplement with vitamins, supplements and minerals to fortify my immune system.

Last year, healthy immune systems were dealing with the virus and continue to do so, but on March 23 the mortality statistics were set on a course that has been hijacked by our treacherous “government” with disastrous results for the population.

391989 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1460 of 1914 🔗

Under tested and unlicensed.
Anyone who takes it are participating in the biggest drug trial in history.

391916 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Tee Ell, 11, #1461 of 1914 🔗

I get what you’re saying- my issue is, they’re asking us to take part in clinical trials as this ‘vaccine‘ will not be signed off on until 2023 as far as I’ve heard. If the risk for anyone other than the elderly is very small, why would anyone agree?

391945 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jos, 10, #1462 of 1914 🔗

My god-daughter, 26, wants it “to get her life back”.
Young people are being coerced.

392031 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo, 3, #1463 of 1914 🔗

yes, that’s what scares me the most

392063 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JaneHarry, #1464 of 1914 🔗

Sadly, it’s a form of Darwinism. The compliant/scared/daft will take it, others will not.

392189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Jo, #1465 of 1914 🔗

That is what is most concerning. If the short term effect on the immune system after being injected which is being seen in the over 80 group, and to a lesser effect the 50 to 79 group, is reflected in young groups then it could be disasterous. The under 50’s are more likely to be found working in high density environments where various viral infections are more prevalent.

391958 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1466 of 1914 🔗

Personally I believe …”

Which is my point. This isn’t religion; it’s serious.

392019 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, 2, #1467 of 1914 🔗

I’m basing it on prior evidence and what we know already about this or similar pathogens or vaccines, in humans and animals. I’d argue that’s not religion, simply an inadequate evidence base on which to approve a vaccine.

What do you believe, if you had to give an ultra low confidence guess?

392236 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1468 of 1914 🔗

Trust your healthy immune system, take advantage of early interventions (eg HCQ treatment) if you can, fight for ivermectin if these defences are breached. Make sure you avoid the DNR (Shipman) trap.

391971 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #1469 of 1914 🔗

Leaving harm aside, what good will they do?

392022 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to rockoman, #1470 of 1914 🔗

Not sure if rhetorical ha. They might help promote a good immune system response to this or similar viruses, reducing serious infections and transmission.

392118 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1471 of 1914 🔗

They will most certainly do more good than harm if they induce people to demand freedom after the weak-and-feeble have been jabbed.
It may not be so good for the weak-and-feeble, but as they’ll mostly have volunteered, and as the Fascist pigs will sacrifice them anyway, the good will still outweigh the harm.

392326 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Annie, #1472 of 1914 🔗

Well said – in terms of priorities for me personally, this is precisely how I view it.

391936 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 3, #1473 of 1914 🔗

Correlation is not causation.
It would stretch coincidence a little far though until other data, reasonable explanations are available.
I prefer to wait until there’s more data available.

391940 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, 3, #1474 of 1914 🔗

The point I’m making is that the information isn’t there yet in the proper statistical sense – there are too many holes.

Anything else is just pointless blather.

391968 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 7, #1475 of 1914 🔗

Lets wait and see if it kills 20,000 before deciding its safe huh? What happened to the precautionary principle that generated lockdown?

391964 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 9, #1476 of 1914 🔗

But you’re strategy is ass about face. You can not start with the assumption vaccines are 100% safe expecting its opponents to prove otherwise, especially when any criticism of vaccines is met with smears, lies & ridicule & the pro lobby refuse to debate it.

It all starts here, if your product is 100% safe why do you require immunity from any liability?

Why isn’t independent (free of any big pharma influence) research performed to prove efficacy & safety?

Why do governments, ngo’s big pharma, regulators refuse any debate & seek to shutdown any bad publicity?

391998 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, -1, #1477 of 1914 🔗

“But you’re strategy is ass about face.”

No – your raddled thinking is.

Where did I make the assumption that ‘vaccines are 100% safe’? It should be fairly obvious from my starting point that I make no such assumption. Quite the reverse.

Doh!

It is impossible, anyway, to ‘prove’ anything ‘100% safe’. All such decisions are about the assessment of probabilities – not certainty. Basic science.

My point is entirely different : that pending proper analysis, clear supporting evidence about the link between mortality and vaccines is not there, so we remain no further forward regarding that hypothesis.

It’s basic stuff.

392058 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1478 of 1914 🔗

supporting evidence about the link between mortality and vaccines is not shown

Vindication for my comment.

No – your raddled thinking is.

Proof again, instead of a grown up response you relied on ad-hom.

It is impossible, anyway, to ‘prove’ anything ‘100% safe’.

Hmm so your saying there’s a question mark on efficacy? So the pro-vax lobby are misinforming people!

Informed consent?

392011 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 3, #1479 of 1914 🔗

Our strength is a belief in analysis rather than woolly assertion

not really, in my case, at least, it’s a belief in freedom rather than tyranny, in striving for goodness rather than succumbing to evil. I don’t really give a stuff about any of their data, or so-called ‘science’, I’ve covered my ears, not listening, na-na-na. As far as the vaccine goes, why should I want to have some unknown poison pumped into my body, allegedly for a pathogen which I don’t even believe exists? Others may think I am batshit crazy, but I believe it is my RIGHT to live or die by what I believe – my body, my choice, if I’m wrong, I’ll die, won’t I, and as for my ‘obligations’ towards others, well, I take the pro-abortion line, if others’ lives can only be sustained by taking control of my body, then I do not recognise their right to life at all. let them fuck off and die.

392036 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1480 of 1914 🔗

Bloody great comment, who wants to live under scientists diktat? My objections to cv19 interventions are simple, i want freedom, I see no argument why I should surrender my freedom & stop living for someone elses safety & security.

My freedom prevents no one from locking themselves in solitary confinement.

392100 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to RickH, 1, #1481 of 1914 🔗

I am not anti-vaxx at all, I had a voluntary FSME one 2 years ago, although if I had known then what I know now about adjuvants, I probably would have passed.
But I recognize that
a) SARS Cov2/Covid 19 is unsuitable for a vaccine, as it doesn’t fulfil the usual 4 criteria for that
b) governments, ‘scientists’ and other officials cannot be trusted at all in this matter anymore, as they have, most unscientifically and unprofessionally, refused to engage with any dissent over the last year, seem to have an entirely different real (control) agenda here than public health (proven by their lack of focus and funding for treatments) and as the ‘vaccines’ are incredibly rushed
c) the ‘vaccines’ are completely novel, similar ones always failed fatally in animal testing and no medium to long term safety data is and will be available for a decade.
They are not proper vaccines, but experimental bio or genetic therapies.
The vector vaccines seem to have a worse efficiency profile and an even worse safety profile than the mRNA ones and are completely useless against any mutations- they should be destroyed right away and never have been approved.
d) I consider all of their trials to be rigged meaningless (relative vs. absolute risk reduction, statistical insignificance, stats actually showing lack of need for a vaccine (0.4% infected), trial mis-design (death/non infection vs. milder symptoms) etc.)
e) herd immunity and in particular the HIT are very questionable, purely theoretical, concepts, and neither my personal risk profile nor my assessment of those factors and the severity of the disease/reduction
of it through my vaccination make it
sensible for me to get jabbed.
f) if I get coerced, I hope I am able to wait and be able to chose a proper, traditional recombinant vaccine by then, of which the Novavax one currently seems to be the best, while the Sanofi one seems to be as botched and upward manipulated as
the Oxford one was in its class.
I suggest to most of those who ask me to do the same, but very few are willing or able to listen and dig that deep and they look forward to get jabbed and become a lab rat soon instead.

392241 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 3, #1482 of 1914 🔗

Seems like a bit of a coincidence that the UK has experienced a massive spike in Covid-attributed deaths right after the start of the vaccine rollout and that Spain, Italy, France and Germany have not experienced the same spike and are lagging far behind the UK in vaccinations. What is needed is a statistical study comparing the death rates among the recently vaccinated with a suitable control group (same age, general health but unvaccinated) but who would even be willing to undertake such a study?

391800 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #1483 of 1914 🔗

Liz Kendal (Labour front bench) claims (on the BBC) the over twenty percent of care home staff who have refused to be vaccinated is because of the “myths and lies.” She didn’t say what these myths were, not what lies had been told to the care home staff, nor did she say who had told these lies. The BBC seemed remarkably incurious as to the identity of the liar.

Any ideas as to who she was referring?

391803 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #1484 of 1914 🔗

Hancock?

391919 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #1485 of 1914 🔗

“twenty percent of care home staff who have refused to be vaccinated is because of the “myths and lies.” ”

Or they’re of childbearing age and have read the Pfizer information sheet.

391939 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #1486 of 1914 🔗

What an arrogant piece of work, claiming to know why people she has never met and knows nothing about have not been vaccinated

391805 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 29, #1487 of 1914 🔗

I see they have updated the definition of murder :

Old definition- Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or plausible/moral intent, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.

New definition- Murder is carried out by somebody who goes into a supermarket without wearing a piece of cloth around their face.

391812 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Hubes, 13, #1488 of 1914 🔗

In that case, I’ve become a serial killer.

391822 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nymeria, 23, #1489 of 1914 🔗

Never mind Shipman I am Shopman.

391849 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1490 of 1914 🔗

And that makes you far more dangerous

391875 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Nymeria, 9, #1491 of 1914 🔗

(‘cereal’)

391918 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to popo says, 2, #1492 of 1914 🔗

That too!

391881 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1493 of 1914 🔗

Haha me too!

392112 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1494 of 1914 🔗

Cereal killer unmasked in cornflake aisle.

391806 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 22, #1495 of 1914 🔗

Following on from yesterday’s report in The Sun newspaper about shenanigans at a testing station in Wolverhampton, I took a drive by today. All there was to be seen were a few languid individuals, lolling around looking bored and half asleep in chairs outside of the marquees. No obvious signs of anyone there to be tested. There was however a sign on the perimeter fence stating that there should be no taking of photos, or filming. On the way into town, a large billboard said, OBEY THE RULES OR FACE A FINE. All very depressing and dystopian, as you might expect.

391821 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Nymeria, 14, #1496 of 1914 🔗

No photos or filming? Good luck with that – it is not against the law if you are outside the perimeter.

391832 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Ozzie, 15, #1497 of 1914 🔗

They have nothing to fear if they aren’t doing anything wrong – sure I’ve heard that somewhere before!

391857 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Paulus, 9, #1498 of 1914 🔗

They have nothing to fear if they aren’t doing anything wrong

Turn their own bullshit on them. Nice! 🙂

391838 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nymeria, 7, #1499 of 1914 🔗

A fine, they’ve already been told the backlog in court is enough to keep them busy for years, so taking a dispute about a fine to court would be a no go

391876 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Nymeria, 7, #1500 of 1914 🔗

God that’s ridiculous and just means they don’t want people reporting that these damn places are empty

391932 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Janette, 5, #1501 of 1914 🔗

Janette, there were a handful of cars there, parked up in bays and presumably belonging to the testers. The only people I saw were wearing hi-viz jackets and were slumped in chairs.

392060 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Janette, #1502 of 1914 🔗

That’s perfectly correct

391986 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1503 of 1914 🔗

how disappointing for you – no booze up and no punch up! it almost sounded like a fun party destination yesterday!

392055 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JaneHarry, #1504 of 1914 🔗

Well Jane, I did want to join in the fun but I think that judging by how many were slumped in their seats, they were all partied out.

391808 nic, replying to nic, 17, #1505 of 1914 🔗

Italy ,sweden , India parts of the states all opening up this is good news

391823 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nic, 7, #1506 of 1914 🔗

It’ll just be put down to the Italians, Swedes and Indians being more obedient/cleaner/less densely populated than we are. Or they have better ventilation. Nicer variants. Etc etc etc.

391872 ▶▶ Janette, replying to nic, 2, #1507 of 1914 🔗

Excellent we need to follow suit

391819 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1508 of 1914 🔗

Can you refuse the door to door testing (South African variant)?

391836 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #1509 of 1914 🔗

Absolutely.

Don’t get tested. No symptoms, no infection.

391848 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Victoria, 3, #1510 of 1914 🔗

Thought so.
Thanks for the conformation.

391866 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #1511 of 1914 🔗

Of course. Treat them like you would a cold caller trying to sell you something you don’t want.

391886 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1512 of 1914 🔗

Sounds ok to me.

391956 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1513 of 1914 🔗

Turn the tables on them. Try and hand them a Watchtower.

391868 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1514 of 1914 🔗

I don’t see why not after all it is an invasive procedure and you would know if you had it because you would have symptoms.?You don’t need a test to tell you if you have it!

391889 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Janette, 2, #1515 of 1914 🔗

My thoughts entirely.

391892 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1516 of 1914 🔗

Of course… after all, what if door-to-door tester person has asymptomatic ebola, zika virus, or dengue fever? they’re potentially killing the entire street… doesn’t sound like staying home & saving lives to me!? 🙂

391897 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1517 of 1914 🔗

Only if the govt doesnt have sovereignty over your body.

391925 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1518 of 1914 🔗

Yes, slam the door in their faces.

391931 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1519 of 1914 🔗

ive already had it so wont be bothered by any attempts to test me. Two answers; 1) dont answer if you are worried about being brow beaten or 2) answer the door and firmly refuse and inform them not to even attempt to enter your property again.

391824 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 41, #1520 of 1914 🔗

Just when you thought Wankcock couldn’t get any more stupid!
“We must bring this virus to heel”.
“Come on Covie, good boy,good boy”.
WHAT A TOSSER!!!

391830 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1521 of 1914 🔗

If he is a tosser (I think he is much worse) what is his boss then?

391842 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TheClone, 6, #1522 of 1914 🔗

SUPER TOSSER ?

392049 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to TheClone, #1523 of 1914 🔗

His boss is the Wank Stain

391845 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1524 of 1914 🔗

Tosser is an excellent description of the FRAUD that is Wancock…I despise the fucker

391853 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1525 of 1914 🔗

You know Lucky, you don’t have be so subtle.

391862 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1526 of 1914 🔗

Hahaha

391859 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 22, #1527 of 1914 🔗

I reckon this quote is very apt for Wankok.

391873 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1528 of 1914 🔗

Why is it called the Dunning-Kruger effect then, and not Russell’s Paradox??

391878 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to popo says, 2, #1529 of 1914 🔗

I have no idea, sorry.

392108 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, #1530 of 1914 🔗

Wankoksure.

391860 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1531 of 1914 🔗

Totally agree

391906 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1532 of 1914 🔗

He’s just warming up for the next act:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-can-achieve-zero-covid-without-sealing-country-campaign-group-1.4473155?mode=amp

“Ireland can achieve zero Covid without sealing country – campaign group
Scientists, academics launch campaign calling on Government to introduce strategy”

I give it a week, maybe less, before our own scientists start with the same lobbying.

It’s the totalitarian screaming to get out of all these people.

392110 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 1, #1533 of 1914 🔗

They believe in leprachauns over there, don’t they?

391975 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1534 of 1914 🔗

He is !!..,

391828 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 19, #1535 of 1914 🔗

The nightly blah by the lunatics running the asylum sounds like brainwashing for the inmates, every night the same, no let up in case some reasonable thought enters their heads, I don’t think they realise what is being done to them. Its what they do to prisoners, constant bombardment to stop any dissent.

391833 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1536 of 1914 🔗

This is what Jim Jones used to do at the Peoples Temple compound in Guyana.

We all know how that one ended.

391844 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 5, #1537 of 1914 🔗

Yes, it already looks like they’re hoping for something along those lines

391858 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Richard O, 5, #1538 of 1914 🔗

Yes I think there are definite similarities to the Jonestown massacre.

391987 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 2, #1539 of 1914 🔗

If you listen to the very harrowing recordings of the supposed mass-suicide at Jonestown, it’s clear that a lot of the inmates did not do it voluntarily. I suspect most Brits might not be so defiant.

391900 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1540 of 1914 🔗

Except we don’t have to listen.

Here’s the thing: the BBC’s reputation has plummeted in recent years. In a recent Twitter poll, a platform not known for its right wing views, out of over 26,000 votes, around 90% said the BBC didn’t represent their values.
Question: where’s this 70-80% support for lockdowns coming from in yougov polls, when the mainstream media in general, and the BBC in particular, plus the politicians are all held in such contempt?
Has the general public just dropped its scepticism for this one topic, or are the polls lying?

391917 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1541 of 1914 🔗

Repetition is one of the most basic and effective brainwashing techniques.

391852 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 15, #1542 of 1914 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40218287.html

Headline: Limerick crime gang trading false Covid certs, Europol says
That didn’t take long!

391887 ▶▶ jos, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1543 of 1914 🔗

Probably there to set up the future agenda that we need ID inserts so no one can fake it – the mark of the beast tattoo barcode on all of us

391992 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1544 of 1914 🔗

There once was a gang forging certs
For those on society’s outskirts.
They sold like hot cakes
Even though they were fakes,
So the Gardai put out some alerts.

392106 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1545 of 1914 🔗

There once was a gaggle of forgers
Whose certificates were simply gorgeous.
They say you’ve been jabbed,
But if you get nabbed
The results you may find rather nauseous.

391865 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 24, #1546 of 1914 🔗

Instead of linking to tepid newspaper articles why don’t they link to the excellent UK Column.
Great piece with a NHS whistle blower today.Healthcare professionals know that after receiving the Pfizer jab a recipients immune system is suppressed for at least 7 days.That would go a long way to explaining the reports of deaths in care homes after the inmates have been jabbed.

391874 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1547 of 1914 🔗

Just posted my comment above – as I scrolled down I see yours Jonathan. I certainly agree and will leave mine up as it contains a link to the show.