2021-02-02

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392431 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1 of 1931 🔗

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392446 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #2 of 1931 🔗

European Emergency: Chaotic Wind & Solar Collapses Threaten Entire Europe-Wide Blackout
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/02/02/european-emergency-chaotic-wind-solar-collapses-threaten-entire-europe-wide-blackout/

392709 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 24, #3 of 1931 🔗

Oh yes – saw this in the plan.. a fictitious event which will bring about power cuts causing panic and .. whatever – I’m so done with this ‘let’s scare the masses’ shit – can someone just draw back the curtain to reveal ‘the Wizard’ for the pathetic wimp it/he/they is/are.. 🙏

394025 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jos, 2, #4 of 1931 🔗

I got a candle i’m not scared.

394022 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #5 of 1931 🔗

Only one way forward to cover future energy needs, nuclear.

392674 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #6 of 1931 🔗

You exempt yourself from masks, restrictions etc as you are entitled to do under the 1998 Human Rights Act.This supersedes this recent mickey mouse legislation and acts like a written constitution for us.

393141 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Bungle, 4, #7 of 1931 🔗

Yes it does. In fact for those who may question this, can go the LaworFiction website https://www.laworfiction.com which is an excellent resource on what our actual rights are under this “Coronavirus Act.” As for power cuts, have a few contingency plans for what MAY happen

393498 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #8 of 1931 🔗

Here’s something useful:

In line with government guidance our teams will not be asking for proof of exemption for face coverings and customers who state they are exempt will be allowed into our stores.”

Shop At Lidl

393510 ▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, #9 of 1931 🔗

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393860 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iane, #10 of 1931 🔗

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392432 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 215, #11 of 1931 🔗

The systematic misuse of language around the coronavirus response reveals the dishonesty. None of the key terms are used to mean what they denote. Covid 19 deaths are not people who are known to have died of the disease. One could commit suicide and be counted as a Covid 19 statistic. Cases are not individuals who have symptoms, have been diagnosed and are in receipt of medical treatment; they are merely positive test results from a test that isn’t fit for purpose. Data are not facts, things that have demonstrably happened, but are the outcomes of computer models that are mathematically inevitable results of the starting assumptions. Covid 19 hospital admissions are not people who are suffering from Covid 19 so severely that they have had to be admitted to hospital, but are people in hospital who have at some point tested positive and everyone admitted to hospital is tested and tested. Vaccines are not vaccines. A vaccine confers immunity to the disease, but these products do not. Indeed, the developers merely claim that they can reduce the severity of the symptoms. Honest people do not resort to systematic equivocation.

392433 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 68, #12 of 1931 🔗

‘Pandemic’ isn’t what it used to be either.

392434 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to karenovirus, 44, #13 of 1931 🔗

Or the immune system.

392508 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to karenovirus, 31, #14 of 1931 🔗

That one was redefined by the WHO to allow them to declare pandemics to include any type of disease not simply killer ones. From mission creep, certainly, from deeper motives waits to be determined.

392839 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to popo says, 12, #15 of 1931 🔗

Depopulation by vaccine is the motive.

392646 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to karenovirus, 8, #16 of 1931 🔗

I’m still waiting to see when it arrives. Outside seems pretty normal despite what the big box tells me.

393023 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to karenovirus, 2, #17 of 1931 🔗

Or herd immunity.

392477 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Steve Hayes, 46, #18 of 1931 🔗

The WHO definition of ‘herd immunity’ was changed to assert that it was a state brought about by vaccination rather than natural infection.

392482 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #19 of 1931 🔗

Excellent synopsis of the misinformation we get day by day.
Have you sent to your MP and the press?

392512 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #20 of 1931 🔗

Excellent summary of this whole shit show. Have copied and saved it, that is, if you don’t mind.

392572 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #21 of 1931 🔗

If you are interested there is much more of this on my blog. Here’s an example: https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/11/coronavirus-responses-examination-of.html

392988 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #22 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for this, Steve. I have bookmarked it.

Yes, terminology matters and I’ve been alarmed from the beginning about the abuse of language by so many in the media, government, and international organisations. It is confusing at best and Orwellian at worst.

393143 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #23 of 1931 🔗

Definitely deliberate. If they can play fast and loose with the meaning of words, obscuring facts is easy.

392543 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #24 of 1931 🔗

On the cause of death point, the ONS has a weekly ‘contributory vs cause of death’ graph for Covid, on the one hand, and flu on the other. It will come as no surprise that the flu is seen as contributory while the Covid deaths are, of course, all caused by it.

393479 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to jb12, 4, #25 of 1931 🔗

5pm today, FB
Unlocked is interviewing Dr Clare Craig, consultant pathologist about the disappearance of flu

392558 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #26 of 1931 🔗

People who were never ill are designated as ‘recovered’ when they no longer ‘test positive’.

392695 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #27 of 1931 🔗

https://youtu.be/xKPWngYf2Wk

“We have made the assessment that Covid19 CAN be CHARACTERIZED as a pandemic.”

Notice he doesn’t say “is a pandemic”?

Language has been abused from the very beginning!

392734 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jinks, 9, #28 of 1931 🔗

The language has consistently been in line with the whole of this being a simulation as suggested in two WHO documents- check them out:

https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf

https://www.who.int/publications-detail-redirect/9789241580496

Most member countries agreed to participate in a ‘system-wide’ simulation before September 2020.. hard to believe? So is most of this, so WHO knows?!

392747 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to jos, 5, #29 of 1931 🔗

And the fact it’s not even mentioned in passing, as well the government own HCID status since 19th March. Makes me think the whole damned lot abl are nothing but gatekeepers!

392830 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to jos, 8, #30 of 1931 🔗

And it would explain the smirking at the briefings and the total overreaction to the slightest variant- they’re keeping in mind the idea of what this might be, as you would in a simulation of a deadly biohazard, and not what it actually is (seasonal flu)

392901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jos, 17, #31 of 1931 🔗

The whole thing is a scam (simulation) on behalf of certain globalists, but with the very serious aim of bringing about a massive population reduction. This to be brought about by the means of lethal injection masquerading as vaccination.

And of course you are right, Covid-19 is nothing more than extensively and expensively repackaged seasonal flu. That being said, they have the capacity and the will to introduce something much more deadly, should it suit their purposes.

393899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Rowan, 2, #32 of 1931 🔗

although they would need to solve the problem of how to protect themselves and their loved ones from that -bit risky. we are dealing with selfish cowards, don’t forget

394375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, #33 of 1931 🔗

Cor, sounds like we will get some great novels out of all this!

I reckon we could eventually have a whole genre of filums, maybe 2 or 3?

392762 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #34 of 1931 🔗

Wow! I’ve never ever seen 100 upticks before! Congrats. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

392845 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #35 of 1931 🔗

Who are these honest people, apart from ourselves?

392888 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #36 of 1931 🔗

Great Post. I would only add “science” is not a single point of view. It is a consensus bought about by rigorous debate and by testing. No theory should be bought to the public without it standing up to scrutiny and experiment. If it does not stand up to these tests or insist on no debate or experiment its not science its just someone’s opinion.

393034 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #37 of 1931 🔗

The responses to the coronavirus are not scientific; they are pseudoscience. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/10/coronavirus-pseudoscience.html

393324 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #38 of 1931 🔗

Scrutiny is now illegal.

393077 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #39 of 1931 🔗

In some ways, committing suicide should be considered a Covid19 case, as well as depression, child abuse, domestic violence, incarceration and other adverse reactions to this clown show.

393084 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #40 of 1931 🔗

The Institute for Statecraft and The Integrity Iniative, among other groups, were instrumental in subverting Jeremy Corbyn’s bid to become Prime Minister of Britain.
Sound familiar?

393088 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #41 of 1931 🔗

Decidedly unfunny clown show.

393358 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #42 of 1931 🔗

They’re mockdown cases.

394074 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Hayes, #43 of 1931 🔗

It’s a form of newspeak.

392435 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 10, #44 of 1931 🔗

Expect more news on this later…

Report out last night suggesting that the aspect of the South African variant that is causing concern has also been found to have occurred spontaneously several times in this country.

Not clear what implications that has at this stage.

392437 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to SilentP, 60, #45 of 1931 🔗

Funny,the good old Kent strain just doesn’t cut the mustard anymore and as for the Brazilian it’s like a fading pop star.
All deflection tactics as they are busy killing elderly people with the new potions.

394376 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to jonathan Palmer, #46 of 1931 🔗

I suppose they’ll manage to make sure Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II doesn’t die from the vaccine? (Though what odds it would come out if she did?)

392439 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 10, #47 of 1931 🔗

Surely the same variant can’t occur spontaneously in different places?

392444 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Annie, 4, #48 of 1931 🔗

Annie – The same specific adaptation can occur. I did not post the link in my post as it not that easy to understand. Here it is

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/957504/Variant_of_Concern_VOC_202012_01_Technical_Briefing_5_England.pdf

Detection of E484K mutation in B.1.1.7 VOC 202012/01
The COG-UK dataset (total sequences 214,159) was analysed on 26/01/2021. The spike protein mutation E484K (found in VOC 202012/02 B1.351 and VOC 202101/02 P1) has been detected in 11 B1.1.7 sequences. Preliminary information suggests more than one acquisition event.

392455 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 10, #49 of 1931 🔗

Heck, I’m glad somebody understands this! Sounds like winning the lottery to me. Perhaps I should buy a ticket!

392491 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to SilentP, 26, #50 of 1931 🔗

What exactly is causing concern in a variant that not shown to be more infectious or more virulent?
RNA viruses replicate badly and create multiple variations very rapidly. Why have we picked on Kent, Brazilian and SA as causes for concern?
The thought of operatives turning up on the doorstep with test kits is sinister to say the least.
I know many of us here think the present Secretary of State is just chasing positive numbers at all costs and who can blame us for thinking that in the circumstance?

392515 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to WasSteph, 19, #51 of 1931 🔗

Kent was supposedly an issue because apparently it spread faster/easier somehow.
Is SA supposedly an issue because it won’t work with the vaccines? I lose track…
As my partner summed it up this morning “it’s like they’re chasing shadows”.

392752 ▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #52 of 1931 🔗

They are chasing shadows

392582 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to WasSteph, 14, #53 of 1931 🔗

RNA viruses replicate badly and create multiple variations very rapidly. Why have we picked on Kent, Brazilian and SA as causes for concern?’.

Yes indeed. I think this shows how desperate the propagandists are getting. Trouble is coming over the horizon for them in the shape of vaccine deaths.

393904 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basileus, #54 of 1931 🔗

not exactly ‘trouble’ as it’s their goal; a ”challenge’ perhaps yes, but I’m sure they can pull it off

392627 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to WasSteph, 11, #55 of 1931 🔗

anything to do with Astrazeneca trialling their vaccine in these 3 locations?

392727 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to WasSteph, 2, #56 of 1931 🔗

Was think really the verb you were looking for in that last sentence?

392928 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to SilentP, 1, #57 of 1931 🔗

With my flu vaccine-hating tin foil hat on, (which I have recently added the covid vaccine and the Pfizer dna thingy to), I’d say that it’s going to have something to do with either the flu vaccine or the new AZ (actual proper, if completely untested and known to be fatal), vaccine.

393136 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to SilentP, 2, #58 of 1931 🔗

Not clear what implications that has at this stage.

They’re lying through their teeth, on steroids ?

392438 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 41, #59 of 1931 🔗

Every time I hear any govt pronouncement about CV all I get is an image of Canute.
They must need to increase positive numbers for some reason, if you’re healthy and get tested you have blood on your hands.

392459 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #60 of 1931 🔗

Do you mean Cnut?

392481 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bungle, 5, #61 of 1931 🔗

No I mean the tale we were told in school in the 70’s. Cnut, I believe, was a real person.

392511 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 23, #62 of 1931 🔗

Boris is a complete cnut

393133 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #63 of 1931 🔗

Canute/Cnut are the same name, aren’t they ?

393154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JohnB, 2, #64 of 1931 🔗

YES.

394105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JohnB, 1, #65 of 1931 🔗

Yeah, but get one letter wrong and you can get ‘Cutn’, Can’tue?

392526 ▶▶ Will, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #66 of 1931 🔗

Why only healthy? If you have symptoms of covid, cold, flu etc just stay out of everyone’s way. There is no need to get tested.

392590 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #67 of 1931 🔗

According to Wikipedia:

‘In the story, Canute demonstrates to his flattering courtiers that he has no control over the elements (the incoming tide), explaining that secular power is vain compared to the supreme power of God. The episode is frequently alluded to in contexts where the futility of “trying to stop the tide” of an inexorable event is pointed out, but usually misrepresenting Canute as believing he had supernatural powers, when Huntingdon’s story in fact relates the opposite.’

Boris is just trying to demonstrate his impotence and humility?

392440 Annie, 7, #68 of 1931 🔗

For Anglicans particularly, but also for Christians and people of good will everywhere, the Irreverend Jamie speaks about the churches’ new cult of Living Death:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/irreverend-faith-and-current-affairs/id1528967755#episodeGuid=Buzzsprout-7607383

392441 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #69 of 1931 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/01/locusts/

Catte Black’s allegory is so simple perhaps even Valance and Whitty, Hancock and Gove, Piers Morgan and all the rest will be able to understand it. But I am not going to hold my breath.

392454 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #70 of 1931 🔗

The Priests are not for turning. Why would they?

392699 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #71 of 1931 🔗

Clever, but needs to be much shorter to be effective….

392442 Cecil B, 19, #72 of 1931 🔗

Run as many hares as you can

Morning Children. Today we will be looking through the square window

Who is through the window children?

Why it’s smiling Ted Bundey the serial killer

Ted loves telling fairy stories

Today the fairy story is about a South African Monster that will kill you all

Ted you look a little sad today. What’s that? You think you may stand trial for genocide and crimes against humanity. Oh dear not to worry, we can get someone to replace you

392445 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 20, #73 of 1931 🔗

Its worth remembering that Ferguson’s own model predicts lockdowns increase the total number of covid deaths

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

General social distancing is predicted to reduce the number of cases, but increase the total number of deaths when compared with social distancing being practiced by the over 70’s only. “

392449 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to steve_w, 45, #74 of 1931 🔗

I’m 72 and I don’t social distance, I leave that to the sheep and collaborators.

392620 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #75 of 1931 🔗

You are killing granny and grandad..oh wait..Sorry, carry on

392811 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #76 of 1931 🔗

I am a granddad (2 teenage granddaughters who haven’t killed me or Mrs F P yet).

392450 ▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to steve_w, 6, #77 of 1931 🔗

“In the short term, closing schools contributed to reducing the severity of the first wave, to the extent that Nightingale hospitals were not needed, but the decision has left us more vulnerable to subsequent waves of infection.
“Mitigating a Covid-19 epidemic requires very different strategies for different age groups and a different strategy from an influenza epidemic, with more focus on shielding elderly and vulnerable people.”

Seems to me that this strongly supports the GBD strategy.

392494 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 12, #78 of 1931 🔗

and its good that respected academics are saying it. just a shame it hasn’t filtered through to the decision makers yet

the lockdown approach is only of value in stopping the overwhelming of the NHS. When that has been achieved, continuing it increases the number of deaths.

we should never have locked down anyway and certainly not when the NHS is ‘out of danger’

it is imperative we now open up as quickly as possible to save lives

393037 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to steve_w, 5, #79 of 1931 🔗

Imagine what the NHS could be like if the amount of money spent on the lockdowns and furlough had been spent on the NHS and people to run it properly and the country had just carried on.

394026 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steve_w, #80 of 1931 🔗

It is up to us to end lockdown. The ‘government’ will continue indefinitely to find reasons for Lockdowns and more humiliation. We need 20 or 30% of the population to ignore the ru les asap.

The link:

https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/11/coronavirus-responses-examination-of.html

referred in a post above might be helpful in identifying options and understanding legal ramifications.

392486 ▶▶ dan72, replying to steve_w, 4, #81 of 1931 🔗

They deliberately chose a policy of keeping ICU admissions as low as possible. They were never too concerned about the number of deaths.

392447 DomTaylor, replying to DomTaylor, 94, #82 of 1931 🔗

Back in spring 2020, lockdown sceptics argued that lockdown measures were disproportionate. There is now a growing body of evidence, as cited here, that lockdowns are far worse than this: they achieve no benefit whatsoever and lead directly to many untimely deaths, not to mention all the harm done to personal freedom and economic well-being. However much they deny it, the proponents of lockdowns have blood on their hands; trying to make the same accusation against lockdown skeptics does nothing to change that. Ratherm the attempts to discredit and silence the skeptics merely adds to their guilt by showing that they are acting dishonestly.

392453 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DomTaylor, 43, #83 of 1931 🔗

True.
They will be brought to judgment.
Their guilt is colossal, apocalyptic, undeniable.
There will be a reckoning.
Blood has its price.

392479 ▶▶▶ Cyclic Reversion, Isle of Man, replying to Annie, 21, #84 of 1931 🔗

“They will be brought to judgment….”
Absolutely. The psychopathic parasites are over-reaching. Those behind this most audacious jwo control / cull attempt will be hanged from bridges. Good people are extremely angry. The cycle is reversing.

392571 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Annie, 31, #85 of 1931 🔗

Not they won’t, you’re dreaming or deluded if you think that. They’ll be in the house of lords living it up all their fucking days for the good job they did

392621 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 4, #86 of 1931 🔗

Yes, this! I have been saying this since June

394271 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Thomas_E, #87 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been saying this since Tony Blair

393454 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Biker, 2, #88 of 1931 🔗

Agreed. It would be nice to think there will be a reckoning but I doubt it.
When there is eventually an inquiry there might be some fun to be had watching the politicians and their ‘scientific’ advisers throwing each other under the bus, but what I think will happen when/if the madness ends, is that knighthoods and gongs will be handed out to those deemed to have ‘saved’ us all.

393589 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, #89 of 1931 🔗

Not if they are stupid enough to take the “vaccines” they are pushing.

394379 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Biker, #90 of 1931 🔗

Sadly, I suspect you’re right. I’m painfully aware of the Hillsborough tragedy, 30 year wait for a slap on the wrist for one or two people, the toll it took onits victims, the suspicions of masonic police protecting their own.

I suspect the people responsible for this shambles are quite good at protecting themselves.

392474 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DomTaylor, 12, #91 of 1931 🔗

Turn the facts against the covidians, 100,000 died (so they say) clearly lockdown hasn’t worked.

392555 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #92 of 1931 🔗

That is a dangerous strategy as they will always answer ‘100,00 more would have died without it!’ and you have had to accept their absurd claim that testing positive on a PCR test means you are ill.

393598 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jb12, 1, #93 of 1931 🔗

Argue back that the excess deaths have been caused by the lockdowns and other restrictions. There is much mileage there.

393830 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #94 of 1931 🔗

Just divide uk population size by the annual deaths and you will realise the rate is normal. This is mass brainwashing.

392489 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DomTaylor, 38, #95 of 1931 🔗

What also concerns me is that any supposed benefit lockdowns have lasts only as long as the lockdown goes on (we know they don’t have a benefit, but we are told they do).

But the negative effects of lockdown continue – the NHS cannot catch up, businesses cannot recoup lost revenue, closed businesses cannot just reopen. These negative effects will continue long after the lockdown has ended. The long term harm is far greater than any benefit we are being told lockdowns have.

I was opposed to lockdown from the start, but after the first three weeks it should never have been repeated – it was a mistake then, but surely it’s deliberate now.

393636 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to this is my username, 4, #96 of 1931 🔗

Yes it is deliberate. The lockdowns and other senseless restrictions are part of the preparatory ground work for the WEF’s Great Reset and UN Agenda 30, both of which require the elimination of small businesses as well as most of the global population.

392451 Uncle Monty, replying to Uncle Monty, 54, #97 of 1931 🔗

The population at large are being gaslighted for being scientific illiterates.

“….mutation is a humdrum aspect of life for an RNA virus. Because these viruses employ an intrinsically error-prone RNA polymerase for replication, their genomes will accumulate mutations during every copying cycle. Moreover, these cycles can occur on the order of hours, ensuring that a diverse virus population will be generated within a single infected host.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0690-4

The same virus can mutate into many different forms in one person.
The South African variant is total bollocks!!

392544 ▶▶ Will, replying to Uncle Monty, #98 of 1931 🔗

Do you like vegetables?

392594 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Uncle Monty, 6, #99 of 1931 🔗

And unto Wuhan/Hu-1/2019 was born Wuhan/WIV04/2019: and Wuhan/WIV04/2019 begat Thailand/NIH-59/2020: and Thailand/NIH-59/2020 begat Vietnam/19-02S/2020: and Vietnam/19-02S/2020 begat Japan/OS-20-07-1/2020 and… (ed. OK, OK that’s enough now)

392452 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 56, #100 of 1931 🔗

South Korea: Population 52m PCR Test Cycle threshold 35: Covid 19 cases 78000

Deaths 1425

Taiwan Population 24m PCR Test Cycle threshold 35: Covid 19 cases 911

Deaths 8

Britain Population 65m PCR Cycle Test threshold 40 Covid 19 cases 3.8m

Deaths 106,000

Because:

‘This implies that for every one-unit increase in Ct, the odds of a positive culture decreased by 36%’

https://www.cebm.net/study/predicting-infectious-sars-cov-2-from-diagnostic-samples/

So the massive number of UK covid 19 mortalities is largely, if not entirely, explained by unhelpful government interventions. particularly high PCR test cycle rates, hopelessly inaccurate death registration processes and hospital clearances/lockdowns.

392458 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 42, #101 of 1931 🔗

This debacle, probably the largest international medical scandal ever witnessed, will become obvious once a further review (in the light of detailed criticisms) of the ‘PCR Test’ paper written by Drosten et al published in ‘Eurosurveillance’ Jan 2020, at the heart of the PCR test lunacy, has been published.

That was promised by end January 2021……two days ago…..and counting………

392463 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tim Bidie, 34, #102 of 1931 🔗

I think for many, probably including most in Government, we have not been used to looking at data on deaths and mortality and so we do not have a reference point from which to view what is currently happening. Death is, of course, an emotive issue and many, again appallingly many in Government, have failed to look beyond the emotive.

I was interested in this chart put up on twitter, I have no idea of the source but it looks generally OK, showing that if you rank recent years for deaths, 2020 is the 35th least worst year.
https://twitter.com/js100js100/status/1356281451180924929
I think what Covid did manage to do was have a good PR agent and managed to cause a few high profile unexpected deaths that played right into the hands of all those who only view deaths from an emotive view-point.

The core fault in all this lies, in my view, entirely with Government who completely failed to do what people at the top level should do and step back and take an overall balanced realistic strategic view of what is happening and develop policies accordingly. They have tackled a major matter of Government with the micro-management style applicable to running the sock counter at the local M&S store.

392742 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #103 of 1931 🔗

How I wish the government of this country could be run as well as a Marks and Spencer’s sock counter.

392890 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Old Bill, 2, #104 of 1931 🔗

The great thing about an M&S sock counter is that it is unmanned. As Belgium discovered 2010/11, unmanned government offices often perform a great deal better.

394068 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, #105 of 1931 🔗

They followed the playbook for the agenda.

392456 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 33, #106 of 1931 🔗

I would have thought, after the UKColumn release yesterday, suggesting that the increase in deaths amoungst over 80’s immediately after receiving their experinental gene therapy treatment (I refuse to call it a vaccine), was due to immune system suppression for about 7 days after, questions would at least have been asked about it ATL.

Or is the subject so contravertial that asking such a question places the entire site’s existence at risk, which us why tte media in general aren’t asking questions about a quadrupaling of deaths in care homes sinde December.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-1st-february-2021 for those that missed it.

392460 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Richy_m_99, 18, #107 of 1931 🔗

Richy, I made a comment about this earlier, but for some reason that seems to have disappeared. Is the LS site now being targetted for censorship?

Anyway my point was that this news presents us sceptics with an ideal opportunity to redirect the narrative. Assuming this is all true and that the government are actively denying it, then we need to get this story out there. To everyone we know. This is not a covid-denier or anti-lockdown story. This is just a plain old lying government story, trying to cover up awkward news. If people start to see that then its not much a leap for them to start questioning everything else they believe the government are saying. And a bad news story about vaccines is good news.

So, how do we spread this story far and wide??

392465 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Bigade, 18, #108 of 1931 🔗

But the trouble is , its a case of ‘they are old’ and are at risk of dying anyway. Just as was said on UK Column yesterday, well you dont say that when they die of Covid – ‘oh they were old and were probably going to die anyway’ – no its ‘oh my God, we must close down the country to save the older generation’. Its all rather odd.

392499 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Thomasina, 14, #109 of 1931 🔗

……unless you accept that our government is trying to kill us. then you will find that it all falls into place and is completely coherent

392629 ▶▶▶▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to JaneHarry, 18, #110 of 1931 🔗

I find it increasingly hard to reject the conspiracy theory that this ‘mishandling’ of the pandemic is convenient, since it is mainly killing off the aged. The outcome really is a ‘win-win’ for all governments, but particularly ours considering the always increasing cost of the NHS.
Ever improved treatments (many involving great cost) are increasing our physical longevity, whilst advances in mental care and treatment are lagging, leading to higher levels of dementia. So, the NHS has a widening ‘product range’ of costly treatments and social care has to expand to cope with increasing levels of dementia. Added to this, the increased longevity is bankrupting the National Insurance scheme with pensions paid out for longer periods. Our welfare state is fast becoming unaffordable.
This might also explain why well-understood prophylactic strategies (dietary supplements vitamins C & D and Zinc) and early treatments (Ivermectin) have been eschewed, since they are being shown to significantly improve outcomes at all age levels. Makes you think ….

392644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 5, #111 of 1931 🔗

The old and the obese. Given that obesity correlates closely with poverty, it’s the economic drains that are being targeted. One might think that the virus had been designed that way.

392565 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Bigade, 6, #112 of 1931 🔗

One of my earlier January posts disappeared. Think it was the mention of the Israeli – Pfizer contract that allows participants data to be shared. The citizens are not being informed that this is an experimental treatment. Over 12,000 at the time has been tested positive.

392581 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Marg, 11, #113 of 1931 🔗

I don’t believe this experimental vaccine is anything of the sort. I have been anguishing over it’s true purpose but as yet not come to any real conclusions. One thing it isn’t and that’s to save you from this fake virus.

I still believe the greatest human cull is underway and that this poison could be used to lower your immune system.

392810 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Andrew K, 7, #114 of 1931 🔗

Once you agree to have it, it’s every year from then on. What will next year’s update jab have in it, and the year after that? Agree to this and it’s your life in their hands indefinitely. Which is why I will refuse it now.

392462 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Richy_m_99, 20, #115 of 1931 🔗

The Pandemic Podcast with Dan Gregory has also picked up and is investigating the spike in ‘all cause mortality’ of the over 80’s in January. The correlation to the roll out of the vaccine is extremely worrying.

392464 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Thomasina, 5, #116 of 1931 🔗

But how to get this story maintstream? There must be at least one opposition MP looking to make his/her name in embarrassing the government for covering up this story. This is a simple flame ready to be fanned into a much bigger fire.

392470 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bigade, 7, #117 of 1931 🔗

If the trend continues into the 50 to 79 age group, then it almost certainly will gain traction and be impossible to ignore.

392490 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #118 of 1931 🔗

Its quite likely its already there. Plenty of anecdotal tales already of scary reactions to the pfizer one.

392503 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #119 of 1931 🔗

just you watch how they will spin it, ‘the deadly new timbuctoo strain which is targeting younger people’ – and the morons will just lap it up, rolling up their sleeves all the more eagerly

392815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #120 of 1931 🔗

20% of care workers have refused it. We won’t be told how many others are refusing it, obviously, but not everyone is just rolling over.

392598 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bigade, 1, #121 of 1931 🔗

The MHRA has dismissed claims that excess deaths were caused by the vaccine saying their ‘ …. surveillance does not suggest that the Covid-19 vaccines have contributed to any deaths .’ But it is difficult to see how these claims can be dismissed without autopsies etc, which I suspect have not been performed. Is there mileage in a FoI request asking MHRA for documents relating to their ‘surveillance’?

The Romsey Advertiser article relating to deaths in a care home is here:

https://www.romseyadvertiser.co.uk/news/basingstoke/19045127.pemberley-house-care-home-deaths-not-related-vaccine/

392837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 1, #122 of 1931 🔗

A very good contribution by a highly qualified doctor Schmidt-Krueger from Germany, Coronaausschuss recently, suggests that an autopsy would not be able to identify the vaccine as a cause of death.
The vaccine can cause a sudden severe drop of the body to make use of oxygen. This cannot be proven in an autopsy.

393833 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Silke David, #123 of 1931 🔗

Yes, but there is surely still something to be investigated?

394090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Silke David, #124 of 1931 🔗

Dolores Cahill suggests that it depends upon which organs of the body are attacked.

394084 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basileus, 1, #125 of 1931 🔗

MRHA is a big pharma organisation isn’t it?

392492 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Thomasina, 6, #126 of 1931 🔗

As has Joel Smalley in his recent review of the all cause death stats, although he is careful not to draw conclusion he does state vaccine roll out as being notable at the same time as deaths started to spike.

392573 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Thomasina, 5, #127 of 1931 🔗

You should be jailed for making such ludicrous statements like that. The vaccine is totally safe and will help save humanity from the cold

392469 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #128 of 1931 🔗

Do we have any idea if this is an effect of all the vaccines or is it just some specific ones that seem to be implicated?
Indeed when you go for a vaccination do you have any option as to which vaccine you have? and indeed once vaccinated are you told which one was used?

392471 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Martindale, #129 of 1931 🔗

I believe it’s the Pfizer one

392478 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #130 of 1931 🔗

You get whatever they have in stock but yes, they do tell you which one .

392506 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #131 of 1931 🔗

shut up and make a fist, you impudent man, do we tell the cattle which vaccine they’re having? do we give them a choice?

392495 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #132 of 1931 🔗

you are seeing the roll-out of the genocide. in around 1 year it will be complete: https://www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

392457 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 11, #133 of 1931 🔗

In Saudi women are masked, in China, all people. In Yorkshire, some of us say ‘Foxtrot Romeo Oscar’.

392461 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bungle, 4, #134 of 1931 🔗

The chinese are only masked because they have been told to, just like all rest. I was looking af photos I took back in 2017 in Shanghai and Hong Kong and playing spot the face mask was like playing Where’s Waldo. Except there wasn’t a Waldo in my pictures.

392541 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #135 of 1931 🔗

Pre-Covid Asians only wore masks when actually sick, not all the time!

392547 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GCarty80, 3, #136 of 1931 🔗

True however in Japan there has been a growing trend even before Covid of young people wearing masks when they “feel ugly” or “don’t feel good” which many mental health experts are sounding the alarm over the rise of a generation of socially maladjusted people.

392580 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #137 of 1931 🔗

I take your point, but looking at videos of Japanese city life pre-covid you still see hardly any masks.

I think there has been a propaganda drive in the West to use alleged Asian mask-wearing to try and normalize it here.

I have been to China in January – presumably flu season – and saw hardly anyone in a mask. The use of masks in Chinese cities, when they were worn at all hitherto, was for reasons of air pollution – not health.

392642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rockoman, 2, #138 of 1931 🔗

Agree. When I went to Japan back in 2017 there was hardly anyone wearing masks and those young people I mentioned above are in a minority and I suspect have mental health issues.

392669 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #139 of 1931 🔗

I used to work in HK and Shanghai..People only wore masks during the hay fever season and in Shanghai sometimes because it was to polluted to even breath safely.On a normal day you could count mask wearers on one hand on a crowded public transport.

392466 davews, 26, #140 of 1931 🔗

More depressing stuff in the ATL today, the attempts to make lockdown etc permanent is non stop despite plummeting figures. Thinking about my church where I am one of the stewards on the property committee. In the early days we assumed all would be sorted by August time and folks were happy to continue their regular payments on that premise. But since last March we have had just three, poorly attended, services in the building. Everything else has been Zoom which some seem to accept as the ‘new normal’. But churches like ours, with buildings which have running costs and maintenance, don’t grow on trees. Sooner or later they have to accept the inevitable and close for good. Members will cancel their direct debits, especially those not equipped for Zoom. Ours seems to be managing at the moment with a good balance but it can’t go on for ever. Other churches may already have closed. Why don’t people get in their heads that this nonsense simply cannot go on for ever, virus or not?

392467 Richy_m_99, 4, #141 of 1931 🔗

Lyrics for today.

I never knew so many bad times
Could follow me so mercilessly
It’s almost surreal
All the pain that I feel
The future ain’t what it used to be

It doesn’t matter what they’re thinking
It doesn’t matter what they’re thinking of me
It’s always so cold
I’m to young to be old
The future ain’t what it used to be

(The Future Ain’t what it used to be. – Jim Steinman, Pandora’s Box.)

392468 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 16, #142 of 1931 🔗

Although from the bbc website, this is of great concern but not unexpected. 10 year olds self harming https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55864573
Who is it that has blood on their hands?

392485 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 8, #143 of 1931 🔗

Stating the obvious as though they had just discovered the phenomenon as yesterday when R2 revealed that elderly residents of nursing homes in isolation for months on end are likely to have compromised immune systems and that family visits should be resumed to combat this.

Note the phrase in the child mental health report children are perplexingly immune from Covid themselves.
Nothing perplexing about it at all.

392532 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 14, #144 of 1931 🔗

The actress Ruthie Hensall posted a very sad photo of her mother on Twitter pointing out that she barely interacted with her throughout the video call and looked like a former shell of herself.

It’s criminal what they’re doing to our people and those who still think we should lockdown and accuse us of being selfish for “not following da roolz” needs to go away and examine themselves in the mirror.

392536 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to p02099003, 6, #145 of 1931 🔗

And, right on cue, the BBC reports this shocking and deeply disturbing development is because of ‘muh pAnDeMiC’, rather than the response to it.

392472 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 44, #146 of 1931 🔗

How did we get to this level of cowardice & feebleness! On both sides there seems to be incredible levels of fragility & exaggeration. How have Homo sapiens managed to survive thus far?

Little more than 100 years ago we still relied on whale oil for lighting, steam engines for long distance travel, Horses were our main method of transport, there was no genome surveillance, smart phones or airliners, no weekend breaks to southern Europe. We had to wade through a daily sludge of pathogens & bacteria making our immune systems stronger with every exposure.

Children played outdoors in the mud & were happy playing with a few tree nuts & exploring the world. Many children never went to school, a fair number of people had no place called home & lived day to day with no fridges full of convenience food, there weren’t numerous fast food outlets to turn our caffeine dosed bodies into human lard.

Come 21st century a health & safety culture has taken over our lives, we’ve stopped living, afraid of nature, we have people literally afraid to breath fresh air & consider every other human an infection risk and homicidal maniac. Others go into mental melt down if they can’t go to the pub for a month or two, or go to St Tropez this winter!

How the hell did we get here? It’s almost embarrassing to be called human now, quite literally, many on the woke left would change the name of our species because of patriarchy FFS! If you want to learn from history, learn to embrace freedom not slavery to fear mongering from control freak masters, appreciate the privileges you have.

Be free, take some risks, live for today, think for yourself & value what really counts. If you have someone that loves you & someone to love, then you’re doing pretty well, cherish it & don’t take it for granted, it can vanish in moment, regardless of your attitude to a virus!

392484 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #147 of 1931 🔗

‘on both sides’? stop trying to be even-handed. The OTHER side are nazis, fascists, scum, collaborators, satanists…. stop talking like they deserve a fair hearing or something. the only thing they deserve is outright condemnation and censure.

392569 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #148 of 1931 🔗

Not sure that level of emotion will help in the future, you wouldn’t treat the mentally ill, disabled or infants that way. The covidians are just infantilized socialists, they’ve been trained, conditioned into not thinking or relying for/on themselves.

Find some charity, because if/when this group lunacy ends grudges wont make life any easier & there are hard times coming appreciate what you have now.

392593 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #149 of 1931 🔗

I agree – it’s Good vs Evil.

Why?

Because one side is trying to create conditions which make a fulfilled human life impossible, whereas the other is trying to stop them.

392844 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #150 of 1931 🔗

Sometimes ironic that we call it “progress”!

392473 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 41, #151 of 1931 🔗

The BBC website informs us that dear old Captain Tom is currently in Bedford Hospital with Covid (discovered after being admitted with pneumonia) and that his family are with him at this time.

Hold on ! Alex Belfied asks what’s so exceptional about Captain Tom that he can have family visits when some people can’t even go to their loved ones funeral?

392504 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 9, #152 of 1931 🔗

So normal pneumonia is now Covid? Is air now carbon?

392763 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FerdIII, 2, #153 of 1931 🔗

Environmentalists would agree with that statement. They fail to notice that the 2 zeros and the decimal point in the atmospheric percentage of co2 come before the figure 4 instead of after it.

392505 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to karenovirus, 10, #154 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure what the policy actually is on visiting at the moment. My wife’s grandfather passed away in hospital about 2 weeks ago, and she and some other relatives were able to visit him without any problems at all (on the COVID ward no less!). On the other hand, I hear plenty of stories about people finding it really difficult to be able to see sick relatives.

Is it a case of individual staff members/hospitals setting their own rules again, like we sometimes see in the supermarkets with masks?

392510 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to karenovirus, 8, #155 of 1931 🔗

I’ve read of visits being facilitated at the very end. The overhead of getting everybody safely PPE’d is considerable (the discussion about whether he has pneumonia with a false positives Covid test is another matter).
I have mixed feelings; if it is near the end for Sir Tom, then that is very sad but not unexpected in a 100 year old.

392530 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to karenovirus, 12, #156 of 1931 🔗

Some friends of ours have been prevented from visiting their daughter in a HOSPICE without getting a lateral flow test. That they have to source themselves. What lunacy that they think that the terminally ill would rather live a few more days/weeks than spend precious time with their family.

392795 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #157 of 1931 🔗

Name of the hospice, SBC ?

392819 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to JohnB, #158 of 1931 🔗

I shall try to find out discretely…it’s in Warwickshire so there’s not too many.

392534 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to karenovirus, 28, #159 of 1931 🔗

I noticed this too.

The plebs have to stay locked in their homes for the foreseeable, but Captain Tom is allowed to go to Barbados for a holiday.

The plebs have to die alone in hospital, while Captain Tom is allowed his family around him.

Of course, as an anti-lockdowner, I very much support Captain Tom going on holiday and having his family in hospital, but it’s the hypocrisy that gets me. If he gets to enjoy these privileges, then so should we. Enough of this special treatment for celebrities.

392586 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Poppy, 26, #160 of 1931 🔗

The hypocrisy is everywhere. A few days ago on Classic FM there was an advert for fast food delivery which announced a discount , with a double discount for NHS workers bcause of the” way they suport the community “. What’s wrong with that you ask? Well surely the people wjho need any discount going are the people who have lost jobs and businesses by supporting (albeit involuntarily) the community by closing their shops and workshops or accepting without rioting the permanent loss of their jobs Meanwhile NHS workers continue to be paid regardless of the pressure on them (which from anecdotes here is far less than the BBC et al claim).

392655 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Poppy, 9, #161 of 1931 🔗

And to add to that Poppy, how much do you want to bet that even though he has ‘tested positive for COVID’ (we all know he’s in there for pneumonia), there is no way in a billion years they’d have put him in a COVID ward. Nope, bet ya he’s in a nice cosy private room…..and I do think he’s a great guy but the hypocrisy gets me too!

392662 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 8, #162 of 1931 🔗

It’s another example of one rule for them another one for us.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t begrudge Captain Tom for his time in the sun and having his family around but is this because he’s a national treasure, WW2 vet & knight of the realm? Other people aren’t as lucky as he is, witness Ruthie Hensall’s mother and Ruthie’s inability to visit her.

Sad to say that this is like the Soviet Union all over again. We’ve seen this back as far as April last year when the freebies, gifts, discounts and priority shopping hours for the NHS staff started. Captain Tom is simply the apotheosis of this new nomenklatura.

392579 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 7, #163 of 1931 🔗

Please don’t mention this person again until he dies, then i’ll celebrate commiserate.

392661 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to karenovirus, #164 of 1931 🔗

I understand that family visitors are allowed if the patient is near death.

392794 ▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 18, #165 of 1931 🔗

Poor Tom, fought for freedom and ended up being used by fascists to destroy the very freedom he fought for.

393185 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 3, #166 of 1931 🔗

He was a willing tool.

393052 ▶▶ ituex, replying to karenovirus, 1, #167 of 1931 🔗

You are allowed visitors at ‘end of life’.

393369 ▶▶ Alex, replying to karenovirus, #168 of 1931 🔗

Captain Tom has just sadlidied…

392475 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 24, #169 of 1931 🔗

How lockdown mimic the actions of occupation by a hostile foreign power.

·       The use of collective punishments. Occupiers often used collective punishments against entire groups eg burning down towns and villages in retaliation for actions by resistance groups.

·       The entire UK population are being punished for being infectious disease spreaders and lockdown laws apply to the whole population. The entire UK population has been subject to collective punishment.

·       Using tactics to undermine resistance. Occupying powers would use brutal tactics against resistance movements eg jailing, killing and torture.  The British government has banned protests of more than two people. Every effort is to made to prevent interaction between people. People are not allowed to have visitors in their homes or are limited who they can have in their homes. Places where people meet and socialise such as theatres, nightclubs, churches, pubs, festivals and restaurants are closed. Furlough is used a financial incentive to prevent people getting angry over loosing livelihoods

·       Travel bans are imposed. When Europe was occupied by the Nazis, travel restrictions were placed on citizens. In Britain people can’t travel abroad. We are encouraged to travel only a short distance from our homes. In Wales there is a ban on non essential travel from outside Wales.

·       Using divide and rule tactics among the population. People are encouraged to inform on neighbours who break covid rules. By pumping the message everyone is a dangerous disease carrier, people mistrust each other and turn against those who don’t follow the covid rules.

·       Taking people’s livelihoods away. When the British occupied India, the textile industry was destroyed. Colonial powers would throw native population of farmland to make way for farmers from the country of the colonizers. By forcing businesses to close, people have had their livelihoods taken away.

·       Controlling the media and ensuring only propaganda favourable to the occupying power is given out. The MSM have in generally slavishly supported the government and have pumped out endless fear porn propaganda on behalf of the government.  People who question the covid narrative are silenced by the tech companies.

392501 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ianric, 8, #170 of 1931 🔗

“In Britain people can’t travel abroad. We are encouraged to travel only a short distance from our homes. In Wales there is a ban on non essential travel from outside Wales.”

Not if you play footie the short wearing egos can fly, drive across borders, play with no diapers or distancing on the fields. Go where they like across borders. Is this Soviet Russia? One rule for the elite and the Bread N Circuses circuit. Another for us the peasantry. You can fly into the UK from Wuhan and do what you want (does anyone believe that hotel quarantines are enforced? how?). But if you drive from Gloucestershire to Wales and back…ho ho ho…murderer, spreader, fascist.

392476 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #171 of 1931 🔗

“ Currently, the only South African restrictions are a ban on the sale of alcohol… closed beaches, … closed state schools… and a 9pm curfew. “

The ONLY restrictions?? Not to mention compulsory masking outdoors as I understand it.

392533 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Adamb, 2, #172 of 1931 🔗

Well it is bad but I think that the writer was demonstrating that the Gov are implementing contradictory restrictions based on the things within their control and that life otherwise continues as normal as a matter of survival/privilege.

392561 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Adamb, 1, #173 of 1931 🔗

And why close the beaches ? Don’t see the point of that unless you’re doing an extreme lockdown of the Wuhan or Melbourne variety…

392574 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to GCarty80, 10, #174 of 1931 🔗

Because they CAN. that’s the point of the article. They can’t stop economic activity because they don’t have the sort of currency whereby the Chancellor can just print billions, and without that ridiculous Magic Money Tree people will simply starve. Hunger is more powerful than any social distancing regulations. They can close the beaches because it mainly stops fun and gives an illusion of control still.

392480 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 146, #175 of 1931 🔗

In a post under yesterday’s top comment, I described LS as “just a news aggregator for the most sceptical mainstream media pieces,” and made a (poor) joke about the site eventually changing its name to reflect a more balanced view on lockdowns. The post was admittedly tongue in cheek, but I’d like to expand on it a little if I may.

Firstly, I owe Toby Young an enormous amount of gratitude. I stumbled upon this site around May last year whilst seeking answers to many things concerning the “pandemic” that weren’t making sense to me. Lo and behold, I had discovered a treasure trove of sceptical content – I began to voraciously digest every inch of the daily updates, researching the science and meaning behind the terms that have now become firmly embedded into our vocabularies – “asymptomatic,” “false positives,” “T-cell immunity.” I felt alive, brimming with purpose as one of the few who had peeked behind the curtain and realised the magnitude of the scam that was unfolding across the globe.

It was just Toby doing the updates back then – an effort which must have taken many hours out of his day. He could have sat on his hands and enjoyed the extra family time during those hazy days of the first lockdown, but instead he was putting himself in the firing line by revealing the corruption and depravity of our political classes as they turned 3 weeks of house arrest into 3 months.

A thriving community was soon born, enthusiastically sharing articles and anecdotes below the line at a time where being anti-lockdown was even more taboo than it is today. That community is the beating heart of Lockdown Sceptics. God knows how many laughs and tears have been shared on these boards. For some it may be the only outlet they have, as the isolation and depression start to take a heavy toll. Many of us will never meet each other but there is a unique kinship among us in this place. The writing talent and knowledge of many of the regular posters here is truly amazing, they know who they are. Toby and the team continue to deserve every credit for bringing us together.

However, we have now reached something of a defining moment. Attacks on mainstream sceptics have been ramped up in recent weeks, even culminating in death threats which I know Toby has received himself. Ipso is demanding perfectly reasonable articles of his are retracted. Former allies such as Haimes and Snowdon have left the camp. The BBC still deem him guest material, but for how long given that he is responsible for a website pushing such “dangerous” ideas?

I believe all of these factors have culminated in a watering down of this site’s content lately. Of course, we will never be privy to what’s going on in the background (whether LS has been told to clean up its act or face being cancelled for instance), but we are now in an awkward situation where many in this community are far more scathing of the government and lockdowns than the editors of this site, and the daily updates recently simply do not reflect the growing anger being felt by so many of us.

My daily experience of LS these days is a quick scroll through the amalgam of MSM articles and thought pieces and then straight into the comments, where my language is spoken. As somebody posted the other week, we are no longer lockdown “sceptics.” We are anti-lockdown. We know they kill. We know they are an evil, totalitarian policy designed to strip away our humanity and quality of life. We know they are destroying our society and our children. We know we will bear the scars of this period for decades to come. My only piece of advice to Toby and the team is don’t EVER shy away from calling this what it is, for once we pander to the zealots we have lost.

We must double down, and never remove our boots from their throats. History will thank us for it.

392500 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scotty87, 14, #176 of 1931 🔗

As I said about Drumpf – you can’t appease fascists. You won’t mollify fake news. You will not become friends with those who hate you. You simply need to destroy them. LD fascists are indeed little totalitarian arselings who need to meet the business edge of a sword.

392516 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Scotty87, 21, #177 of 1931 🔗

Well said. I have been feeling the same lately and have only been visiting the site out of habit. I’ve said it before but it is really the comments I come to the site for now, the updates have become to generic since the vaccine roll out and don’t seem to question the narrative to any great degree.

392588 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mike, 18, #178 of 1931 🔗

I scroll through the newsletter too but am mostly drawn to great references to journals like John Ioannidis’ new article in BMJ which Toby put up yesterday. In it the world’s most renowned epidemiologist argues for shielding or focussed protection – surely Sage members cannot get away with calling him ‘an outlier’?

392560 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Scotty87, 27, #179 of 1931 🔗

Thank you for taking the time to compose a post that mirrors my thoughts (and hopefully thousands of others) exactly. It is so infuriating to witness the vast majority taken in by this rubbish- an issue that has been discussed in articles on here and BLT especially, on many occasions.

I can only see two ways out of this. First, is if a sizeable number of people (say, at least 40%) quietly and even discretely began to disregard the “rules”. It can even be a token gesture, but if enough people were to collectively indicate they have had enough, the PTB would soon get the message. You can forget any sort of organised mass uprising or spontaneous wake up call. The will of the British people is a shadow of what it once was.

Second, is to merely allow this political kamikaze mission to continue to fruition i.e. the complete destruction of the economy and the very way of life we all accepted as normal only a year ago. Only then would there be a glimmer of light that would allow the people (a.k.a. the plebs, proletariats or better still, slaves) to somehow remove and replace a system we all live under created by our evil and incredibly corrupt masters.

“When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

As always, it is only the common people who suffer. Never the so called “ruling elites”.

392758 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Scotty87, 18, #180 of 1931 🔗

Some good points here – I’ve been a regular reader since day one but haven’t posted before. Toby’s efforts have been outstanding and we should be a little wary of condemning this site (above the line) for not always being sufficiently hard-line – personally I think the site strengthens the lockdown case by giving the opposing point of view a fair hearing, which is more than the zealots ever do. London Calling listeners know full well that Toby is wary of going too far “down the rabbit hole” – this may make him overly cautious in his editorial line but I understand his reticence and I do think there is a risk in undermining the anti-lockdown case by being too open to some of the more far out claims and theories (but then again… we live in such bizarre times that I’m increasingly willing to countenance perspectives that I might have quickly dismissed in the past; when everyday life feels like a Philip K Dick novel the “conspiracy theories” start to make more sense than the official, mainstream narrative).

Even if the site just blandly summarized the latest developments, with a mildly sceptical flavour, I would still find it worthwhile, if only to keep on top of what the enemy is doing and saying without having to hold my nose and venture into their lair (I can’t stomach going onto the Guardian website these days; this time last year I read it on a daily basis). But I think the site is still much more than just that – there is much excellent original content. I always enjoy Dr Sinead Murphy’s interesting and thoughtful pieces for example.

393282 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #181 of 1931 🔗

I meant to say “strengthens the anti-lockdown case by giving the opposing point of view a fair hearing…”

393504 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #182 of 1931 🔗

I do think there is a risk in undermining the anti-lockdown case by being too open to some of the more far out claims and theories

I would challenge you to rethink this line of reasoning. I get where you come from and there was a time I agreed with this (I even deleted comments in a moderator capacity) but I saw the effects of this too. You’re simply giving an inch and they take a foot. I am now convinced that we shouldn’t be busy undermining or overmining our case. We should all speak our minds as we see things, without holding back. Some will go as far as Toby, some will go much farther, to each its own. Everyone should be allowed to say what they think, regardless of how the stupefied, brainwashed, easily offended masses will take it. I don’t think our salvation will come from their conversion anyway. Our salvation will come from enough of us, plus those on the sidelines. We shouldn’t aim to make converts of the zealots, we should aim to give voice to as many of us, or of the undecided, as possible.

393586 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to janejakobs, 1, #183 of 1931 🔗

Not too many zealots on here, but there the usual forays by the paid government trolls, such as the braindead 77th Brigade.

393894 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Rowan, 1, #184 of 1931 🔗

The forums are beset by about 5 or 6 hardcore 77th accounts. Has largely killed it as a place for friendly conversation, sadly.

393495 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Scotty87, 9, #185 of 1931 🔗

I really appreciate your comment. I’ve read here from the beginning and I’ve been seeing the tone shift in the updates as this became larger. I can’t say I didn’t see it coming; I expected it would happen, although I missed Toby’s humor and acerbic way of putting things. It was also nice to feel like we knew this bloke who put this together. Now it’s more impersonal. But all of this is understandable and I’m too jaded to be upset about it.

HOWEVER, I am talking only above the line. The main attraction of this site is the comment forum and by goodness, I hope the forum doesn’t similarly crack. I’ll be heartbroken if it will. I know how that tends to go. Suddenly there is a focus on “balance” and “respectability” and on “being palatable to newcomers” and on not being offensive and on being rational or avoiding some sort of cancelling. Whatever the line, it’s all bullshit. Bullshit meant to make us police each other while the other camp gets to go full crazy on their positions.

It’s funny that the sane people are always forced to temper their passion and convictions while the unhinged or brainwashed get to unleash their crazy with more tyranny. It’s not funny, I mean. It’s ironic. It’s sad. We shouldn’t allow it to happen and at the firs site of tone policing or censorship here, there should be unequivocal and loud pushback.

393898 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Scotty87, #186 of 1931 🔗

Excellent post.

392483 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 1, #187 of 1931 🔗

The NZ symposium is not free, it’s $NZ15, which I’d happily pay. However I won’t be able to watch that day.

392488 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to optocarol, 1, #188 of 1931 🔗

There is a free version but I will be paying for my ticket or making a donation to Plan B. I wish that Jonathan had put that. Plan B are a small, hardworking bunch and we should support them.

392513 ▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Caramel, #189 of 1931 🔗

https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/symposium2021/ The free one is from 2020, which was great. If you follow the link it says $15 https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/covid-19-symposium-2021-zoom-livestream-webinar-tickets-135599713393
Because I have supported covidplanB, I was offered a ticket before the general public and it was for $15.

392537 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to optocarol, #190 of 1931 🔗

The livestream will be free but the webinar won’t be. The 2020 one was great, I emailed LS to include it and they posted Dr Sunetra Gupta’s part.

392556 ▶▶▶▶▶ SallyM, replying to Caramel, #191 of 1931 🔗

What’s the difference between the livestream and the webinar?

392570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to SallyM, #192 of 1931 🔗

‘Participating in the webinar means you can engage with other freethinkers from around the world, including big names in addition to the presenters. You can ask questions of presenters, participate in our surveys, and share what you know’.

 It would be a closed group like a Zoom conference where you can type questions. It says that the livestream will be ‘non-participation’.

392718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ SallyM, replying to Caramel, 1, #193 of 1931 🔗

Thank you. I’ll take part in one of these ways. It’s the closest thing us Aussies have to a local skeptical voice.

392487 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 6, #194 of 1931 🔗

I think we should focus on arguments and proofs to uncover the current hoax, the responsibility of individuals in government and SAGE, to make them pay for their stupidity and the damage inflicted on people and economy. Numbers of deaths, vaccinations, tests, and so on are just a side show.

392497 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheClone, 3, #195 of 1931 🔗

Tyburn Tree is lonely.

392493 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 7, #196 of 1931 🔗

Somewhere in England.

https://twitter.com/ZNeveri/status/1356320463593594880?s=09

The absurdity of “Act like you’ve got it”. Made me laugh.

392498 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to theanalyst, 7, #197 of 1931 🔗

NHS website;

Munchausen’s syndrome is a psychological disorder where someone pretends to be ill or deliberately produces symptoms of illness in themselves.
Their main intention is to assume the “sick role” so that people care for them and they are the centre of attention.

392603 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Paulus, 4, #198 of 1931 🔗

It’s also when a mother pretends her child is sick and puts them through tests, treatments and operations they don’t need. You can apply this to kids in masks

392641 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Marialta, 6, #199 of 1931 🔗

I think that’s Munchausen’s By Proxy.

392507 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to theanalyst, 3, #200 of 1931 🔗

They don’t have two brain cells to rub together (and that’s between them)

392496 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 28, #201 of 1931 🔗

Above line. Based on these findings, it is those promoting lockdowns who are killing people, not those expressing reservations. But I would never accuse lockdown advocates of being murderers because such emotive hyperbole is not conducive to sensible debate .
Toby Young

Wrong. LDs have murdered 45.000 people. They will murder another 50 K. They have wiped out normal society, education, interactions and humanity.

LD fascists are just that – fascists. Made up data, fake science, intolerant totalitarians. Now they want triple diapers, ass swabs to humiliate you, mandatory tests and vaxx’s – and lots of both.

Tell these fascists to f**k off.

393701 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to FerdIII, #202 of 1931 🔗

The British LD alone will have killed 4 Million people in the 3rd world when this is over, the German one 5 Million.
Me thinks one MUST talk about this.
Julius Ruechel’s article nails this.

392502 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #203 of 1931 🔗

Interesting poll on YouTube from TalkRadio

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwKD8KXbmSeg2oGhCt4AaABCQ

With the fast vaccine roll out, should the UK end all Covid restrictions in March?

69% say yes after 26k votes

TalkRadio generally seems to attract more sceptics than not

392514 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, #204 of 1931 🔗

YT have taken the page down

392518 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 1, #205 of 1931 🔗

It’s loading for me right now, just voted

392606 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 4, #206 of 1931 🔗

Just worked for me.

392639 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #207 of 1931 🔗

Same here

392509 alw, replying to alw, 13, #208 of 1931 🔗

Three cheers for Uppingham School. My sons attended and it has given them an excellent start. Am in touch with their former housemaster and before Christmas they had no pupils with the virus and did not have to close down year groups for quarantine. All power to their elbow. If they can do it why can’t other schools?

392554 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to alw, 4, #209 of 1931 🔗

Because they charge £8k per term? £13k if boarding. And if parents aren’t getting their money’s worth then presumably they’ll withdraw little Hugo/Octavia and it’d collapse like many other businesses. They’re somewhat protected by the phone charity status but they can still go broke.

392568 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to alw, 5, #210 of 1931 🔗

Other schools can and will, including within the state sector. As with so much else, a great deal depends on the leadership at the top.

https://twitter.com/Miss_Snuffy/status/1356267390737248259

392640 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #211 of 1931 🔗

I fail to see a reason that we can’t just allow everything to open up on the basis of choice 🤷🏻‍♀️ like schools – send your kids if you want to, home school if you don’t. Teachers etc – go to work and teach (and get paid) if you want to, stay at home on benefits if you don’t. Simple. All shops/businesses/leisure/hospitality etc – can’t they just be open if they want to, for people who want to go?

I fail to see the risk to the shielders if they are actually shielding? It’s just pure selfish spite that they want everyone to hide at home getting fat and bored because they’re too scared to live anymore.

Obviously a two tier society like that is not desirable but I don’t see any other way forward? No one was forcing me to do anything that I deemed too dangerous for me pre 2020 like basejumping, body modification or dogging. So I have no interest in forcing others to do things they deem too risky now – drinking past 10pm, trying clothes on in a shop, swimming …like, just don’t do it? No skin off my nose, so why does it bother them?

393004 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #212 of 1931 🔗

A spacious van reduces the risk significantly. You may want to reconsider.

A heads up though, if someone mentions an ATM they’re not talking about drawing out cash – politely decline.

392657 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to alw, 1, #213 of 1931 🔗

Because they are educating the next generation of Chosen Ones.

392517 alw, replying to alw, 5, #214 of 1931 🔗

Re-Cape Town.. hospitals in the Western Cape are experiencing a bacterial outbreak which is resistant to any known antibiotics and people are dying not from Covid but this bacteria. This is not reported in any of the mainstream media and is confirmed by South African relatives one of whom is a doctor.

The ANC government has it in for White Farmers with the concomitant result that poverty is exploding. Please read this article and if you can make a donation which is much needed. It’s the ANC that is killing and not the virus.

http://www.the-buyer.net/opinion/bruce-jack-covid-19-devastating-impact-on-south-africa/

392636 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 5, #215 of 1931 🔗

Great article – copied from your link:

Piecemeal workers, like those sub-contracted by the construction sector, are usually paid on a weekly basis. Within a few weeks of the lockdown many had run out of cash. When municipalities were approached to help arrange food relief, the vast majority claimed it was not their responsibility. And in poor, rural farming areas like ours it was the farmers, churches, mosques, charity and civil organisations (like Rotary, Gift-of-the Givers and Red Cross) who responded to the unfolding humanitarian disaster.

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Something breaks inside you when the eyes of a barefoot child in a food queue are full of fear. Where there should be carefree joy, hunger has displaced with confusion and panic. It’s not right.

In the middle of our wettest winter in 20 years those food queues were often in the rain; apparently because our local government could not avail themselves to make municipal halls available.

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One day in a food queue I recognised an artisan who had built a wall for me on the farm. He is a hard-working, good-natured, honest guy. He was looking away, maybe hoping I wouldn’t recognise him. You know in your heart he doesn’t want to be there. It is crushingly demeaning and disempowering. He shouldn’t have been there. But he was; and he embodied the bitter unfairness of life that can ensnare any of us at any time – crushing our confidence, grinding our self-worth into dust.

That’s when you feel humble. It’s also when you realise food relief is a short-term, fleeting solution, not the real answer.

394127 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Victoria, #216 of 1931 🔗

Desperately, desperately sad.
Lockdowns are a rich country option only.

392519 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 9, #217 of 1931 🔗

Did anyone else watch this video?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri_yU_gHLcA&feature=youtu.be
Reporting from Sweden.
It is such a powerful piece in terms of Sweden’s approach to this virus.
That alone should be sufficient ammunition against the lockdown policies of the government.
Why is this not being used more?

392559 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MFvH, 6, #218 of 1931 🔗

Why is this not being used more?” Simply because there’s no well-funded professionally run campaign that is pushing the anti lockdown case by buying advertising space and running campaigns on social media

Such a campaign could well be brutally suppressed or fail because people who sell access to the public would simply refuse to take part, but it would be nice to see it tried

392938 ▶▶▶ MFvH, replying to Julian, 1, #219 of 1931 🔗

You are probably right.

I feel we are sometimes too much in the details of all the silly rules rather than focussing on the fact that lockdowns are not the way to deal with this respiratory virus.

Even if lockdowns did no harm whatsoever, which they do in a massive way, there is still no case for lockdowns.

392520 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 37, #220 of 1931 🔗

So the current PM is “pushing for schools to open”. Strange definition of pushing when he has said 8th March at the earliest and not if this or that happens in the meantime.
JHB said on her twitter feed yesterday that he is PM, he shouldn’t need to push but just decide. It’s blatantly obvious that he is scared of his own shadow and lets SAGE decide everything.
Schools can’t open when project fear is all around. Every week a new variant. Every presser (I am told because I cannot watch) has more emotive language about cases still be very high and we can’t “take our foot off the throat of the beast”. If he wants schools to open, which he surely should, then he needs to take charge of the rhetoric, get it dialled down and start given the good news about how the peak has passed. He also need to reiterate what we have known all along which is that youngsters are not vulnerable to this disease. Backtracking on the asymptotic transmission nonsense should also happen. There is no evidence for it and people are terrified of every other human being just in case.
They’ve created one hell of a mess and they will struggle to talk people out from under the bed now but they must start trying.

392529 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to WasSteph, 32, #221 of 1931 🔗

Indeed, it is rather pathetic. He is the Prime Minister. It is his job to make decisions and lead the country. He has no leadership qualities whatsoever.

392557 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 12, #222 of 1931 🔗

There are still those, even among sceptics, who admire him and think he is doing his best in the face of an impossible situation

Bizarre

393304 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, 4, #223 of 1931 🔗

I wonder just what it is these ‘sceptics’ are sceptical of if they think BJ is doing anything other than being a craven bag of camel shit.

393391 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 1, #224 of 1931 🔗

There are those who admire Dungford, and many who admire Mammy Turdgeon, or so I’n told. They are far gone, far gone.
I’m also that Mongols are still nostalgic for the happy days of Genghis Khan.

392531 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to WasSteph, 9, #225 of 1931 🔗

the ‘peak’ has passed

every day he doesn’t open schools he is killing people

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

392535 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to WasSteph, 18, #226 of 1931 🔗

There was a programme on TV yesterday about Woodrow Wilson the USA president who had a stroke but was kept in office for quite a while by his wife virtually taking on the presidency on his behalf.
Johnson was quite ill less than a year ago, who is calling the shots, Johnson or Princess nut nuts?
Johnson and Hancock are completely out of their depths, a pair of sock counter managers trying to run the country.

392548 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #227 of 1931 🔗

I’d be interested to know who is pulling Biden’s strings in America too. We all know/I think They are even admitting he has dementia – and so just who exactly is President of America currently? Serious question…

392596 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to ElizaP, 1, #228 of 1931 🔗

He definitely has some form of dementia and Harris his president. Quelle Surprise.

https://youtu.be/KY6Sca16tko

392836 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to ElizaP, 2, #229 of 1931 🔗

Begins with ‘O’.

392551 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #230 of 1931 🔗

I doubt the severity of hispast illness, he left hospital 5 days after claims he nearly died. A rather fast recovery from your death bed and an event that was milked to death for weeks afterwards. I do however feel nut nuts has an extraordinary influence over him.

392652 ▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Hattie, 4, #231 of 1931 🔗

Good theatre!

392599 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #232 of 1931 🔗

Would you buy a pair of socks from em?

392672 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #233 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely not. He couldn’t sell me an umbrella on a rainy day.

392648 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #234 of 1931 🔗

Definitely princess nut nut. Ironic that we now have a theatre studies graduate running the country. Boris was far more sensible when he was married to Marina – she’s an intelligent person.

392668 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richardw53, 4, #235 of 1931 🔗

Marina kept him on the straight and narrow. I think ditching her was a massive mistake on his part.

392564 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to WasSteph, 11, #236 of 1931 🔗

Wasn’t there a moment around late summer time ish when BoZo proclaimed that they hadn’t ACTUALLY TOLD schools that they HAD to close? Basically making it v clear that it was purely advice not legislation, and that he knows it’s up to all of us whether we choose to follow it or not.

They’re defo covering their tracks so that when there’s an inquiry into all this ghastly collateral damage they can just hold their hands up and say it wasn’t compulsory and we chose to do it.

392576 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 7, #237 of 1931 🔗

Hancock told us to pretend we had the deadly virus

392626 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to steve_w, 6, #238 of 1931 🔗

I’ll happily pretend that I’ve got it again! This time last year…my friends and family felt sorry for me, Doc wasn’t bothered in the slightest and said they’d seen loads of it and my employer made me feel really bad about needing time off work.
Ahhh the good old days 😊

392597 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #239 of 1931 🔗

The government’s claim that it had not closed the schools was made by the government’s lawyer in the Dolan case. The government made the claim as a defence against the claim that it had violated children’s right to education.

392618 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #240 of 1931 🔗

Ah yes I remember it now. A particularly slippery snake would make that claim. I’m sure they’ve got all these legal loopholes ready for when the guillotine comes.

392775 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #241 of 1931 🔗

Oh yes. Mask exemptions – therefore not a mandatory medical procedure – therefore no Nuremberg violation.

394119 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #242 of 1931 🔗

Totally correct, the 1997 Harassment Act and 1998 Human Rights Act override most government nonsense. All you have to do is say you have a reason for travel, exemption etc and the police can do nothing. Well, they can,but not legally.

392521 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #243 of 1931 🔗

Why are all the Ministers, MP’s and Councillors in hiding?

Sending out Saddam like video clips from their bunkers

Please come out we would love to meet you

392539 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 6, #244 of 1931 🔗

I think they’re aware that there are a great many people who want to get hold of them and string them up from the nearest lamp post.

392549 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #245 of 1931 🔗

Ooh don’t tempt me….

392522 Annie, 18, #246 of 1931 🔗

Knock knock.
Who’s there?
The British Army.
What do you want?
There’s a mutant virus on the loose. Mind if we come in and look for it?
OK. Do you know what it looks like?
Yes. Sort of spikey, like a failed golf ball. And quite small. We’ve brought a magnifying glass. It could be hiding under your bed.
No, that’s my husband.
Oh, sorry, Madam. Hard to see under all the fluff.
What will you do if you find it?
Well, Madam, they don’t like it up ’em….

392523 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #247 of 1931 🔗

Somebody in the Sky organisation has a sense of humour. Apparently today is Groundhog Day.

Seems like we have been living that day for the last ten months.

392608 ▶▶ court, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #248 of 1931 🔗

They’ve done that for the last couple of years, it does amuse me!

I can remember watching it this time last year – or was that yesterday?

392524 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 27, #249 of 1931 🔗

Anal swabs
2-3 masks
Exercising with masks on
How long till people realise that some serious piss taking is going on ?

https://twitter.com/LeeHeywood8/status/1356331008564604928

392527 ▶▶ iane, replying to 2 pence, 8, #250 of 1931 🔗

Longer than most of us think!

392540 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to 2 pence, 8, #251 of 1931 🔗

The video further down on the link is worth looking at – police in Vienna remove their helmets support of the protest.

392525 Marg, replying to Marg, 8, #252 of 1931 🔗

So they want to bring down cases. One government department after testing every week for several months, except on bank holidays, the odd week no test results, suddenly are going to increase to times a week ‘to ramp up the numbers’
Why are no figures available for deaths of people who have had the vaccine. The statistics coming from Scottish care homes and from other parts of the world are quite worrying, especially in light of many being virus free for ten months. The stage 3 findings will not be known until 2023, therefore the conclusion for anyone with half a brain must be that it is still in the experimental stages and the recipients are not being informed. I wonder how many jabs have been administered without consent and also threat of loss of employment.

392528 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Marg, 1, #253 of 1931 🔗

3 times a week

392602 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Marg, 8, #254 of 1931 🔗

Can you get informed consent from an infantilized conditioned populous suffering stockholm syndrome?

Don’t they need an appropriate sceptic to advise them first?

392787 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #255 of 1931 🔗

Depends, although some government employees have told if they don’t have they can’t come in to work. Protestation and allergies don’t work. Coercion and blackmail are the order of the day

392538 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #256 of 1931 🔗

Will this never end?

So they’re going for another version of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus and are so desperate to find it that they’re now resorting to going to door to door.

I mean, you really can’t make it up.

In a couple of decades,and centuries from now, people will laugh at us and wonder how our society panicked because of a bad flu season to the point where society and the economy was trashed for the sake of it.

392545 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #257 of 1931 🔗

A de facto admission that previous interventions have been an abject failure. Tried and failed to suppress the virus (silly idea) so instead, let’s narrow the parameters and aim for something more achievable (still a silly idea). I suspect the goalposts will be moved once more before spring takes care of things and victory will be declared.

392552 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #258 of 1931 🔗

Why not declare victory now?

392592 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 1, #259 of 1931 🔗

China did.

393302 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #260 of 1931 🔗

China has every right to declare victory. When the music stops, China will be buying EVERYTHING and making itself very comfortable in all of our former businesses and cultural amenities.

392609 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 8, #261 of 1931 🔗

The financial reset must come first.

Curfews, travel restrictions, public used to following orders. etc

Optimal conditions.

392566 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #262 of 1931 🔗

I think you’re right. No way will they admit that they’ve made a colossal mistake so will try to fudge it one way or the other to declare victory.

392617 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #263 of 1931 🔗

Why have they not already declared victory?

392591 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #264 of 1931 🔗

And many contemporaries look back with smug superiority at how people in the past thought about and responded to the Black Death. Yet the difference are nothing more than details of ignorance and arrogance.

392678 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, #265 of 1931 🔗

That makes me laugh and they bristle if you ever point out that the current reaction to this virus is no different to the Black Death.

392760 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #266 of 1931 🔗

the response in the Middle Ages was much more rational. at least there was a real disease, for a start

392786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #267 of 1931 🔗

Agree. There were people literally dying in the street and such.

392671 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #268 of 1931 🔗

not even a particularly bad flu season, a rather average one, in fact. yesterday I came across this video https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/oobah-butler-i-made-my-shed-the-1-restaurant-in-london/5a5dfac6177dd44de3197af2 – a story from 2017 which I’d forgotten, about the prankster who made a fictitious restaurant #1 on trip adviser. The culmination of his prank, before he revealed it, was to open up his rather unkempt back garden to a selection of those desperate to get a table, and serve them cup-a-soup and microwaved ready meals which he had bought for £1 at Iceland. to his surprise, they were thrilled with the experience, and even tried to make another booking. His conclusion: ‘we are totally fucked. people now believe what they see on the internet more than the evidence of their own senses.’ – little did he know how prescient that was.

392680 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #269 of 1931 🔗

Shows how gullible people are and its not just your average Joe or badly educated Millenial but even those people with MDs, PhDs and a string of initials after their names were taken by this.

392542 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #270 of 1931 🔗

It’s a classic advertising game:
New Person washes whiter!
Bold, now with added Biological power!
Orange Aero
Mint Aero
New Walkers crisps, crispier
Etc
It’s exactly the same with ‘new virus variants’.

392770 ▶▶ Edward, replying to NickR, 2, #271 of 1931 🔗

I like mint Aero.

392972 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to NickR, 3, #272 of 1931 🔗

I often wonder how shit the original Persil/bold must have been, given the seemingly never ending “new improved” versions. It must have been little more than second-hand fishtank gravel!

393296 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to stevie119, 2, #273 of 1931 🔗

Before the sale, DFS sofas were thirty grand each.

392546 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 40, #274 of 1931 🔗

So, the ‘cases’ are finally beginning to decline (and according to some posters on here who follow the ZOE app, they have been for a while now). Millions have been vaccinated now, which was our promised way out of lockdown. But it’s all ending too soon for those who want this charade to carry on indefinitely.

The government knows that when ‘cases’ begin decreasing and now the vaccine has arrived, the public will begin to ‘take their foot off the throat of the beast’ – so it must scare them all over again! New variant time!

How many have there been now? Kent, Brazil, Denmark mink, now South African… I lose count of them all. And no solid evidence that any variant is more deadly than the presumably ‘normal’ variant of SARS-CoV-2. It really is an utterly pathetic example of ‘crying wolf’.

I don’t live down south but if some windbag came knocking on my door telling me to undergo a medical procedure when I am perfectly well, I’d tell them exactly where to go.

392550 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 19, #275 of 1931 🔗

I wish I could believe it was merely crying wolf

That would be stupid but forgivable

But it seems to me like deliberate and cynical manipulation for evil ends

392553 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Poppy, 14, #276 of 1931 🔗

Greenland, Congo, Ecuadorian and the pernicious Milan variants will all follow. A new ‘mutation’ every week. Mutations kill they don’t add value, basic year 7 science. DNA can’t self create or self form new software functionality. Like OS software it will lose functionality. So new variants are unlikely to be more ‘aggressive’. No proof exists that the ‘Kent’ variant (how formed, where, when?) is more ‘dangerous’ than the normal flu. None. There is no death spike in Kent or anywhere else for that matter.

392584 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FerdIII, 1, #277 of 1931 🔗

You do know the coronavirus is not DNA?

392587 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Poppy, 11, #278 of 1931 🔗

the data that the government looks at is plummetting

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

so I was unsurprised to hear that NHS workers now need a rest as they are exhausted and this is a reason to carry on lockdown

I’m on the cockup rather than conspiracy wing but they make it harder every day

393031 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Poppy, 1, #279 of 1931 🔗

The pattern always seems to be the same. A respected member of the SAGE group briefs the press about “a dangerous new Covid variant” an hour or so before a government press conference, forcing the government spokemen to commit to an ever tougher response and/ or an increased delay before the restrictions can be eased. Three weeks later, the SAGE minutes are released to the public and reveal that the committee only had a “low to medium level of confidence” that the new strain was any more dangerous than the original one but, by then, the press and media have been encouraged to scare the public shitless. When called out, the scientists remind people of their comment that they only had “low to medium confidence” and that they were never responsible for the panic. Twats!

392562 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #280 of 1931 🔗

Let’s just suppose that for whatever reason someone decides to be vaccinated.
According to e.g
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1391037/covid-vaccine-can-I-choose-which-vaccine-I-get-evg “Britons cannot choose which vaccine they are offered, it will be up to the supply and location of the vaccination centre.”.

Suppose they decide that they will have vaccine X but not Y. What would they do? (This isn’t an “asking for a friend” question -just interested to know)

392585 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to arfurmo, 8, #281 of 1931 🔗

I think it shows how much attention people on this site have been paying to this matter that it occurs to us to ask the question. To so many going for ‘their jab’ it is all the same to them, just the covid jab.
On that basis any offer to me to be vaccinated would fall at the first hurdle as I would ask which vaccine and if they would not tell me the conversation would end there. My wife who is a bit more sanguine than me about all this has been following the vaccine discussion and weighing up which one she might consider and would not be keen to just turn up for whatever one was available.

Given all the talk of deaths and side effects it does seem important to know which of the vaccines are most implicated?

392624 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #282 of 1931 🔗

First question I ask anyone getting vaccinated is ‘which one?’

I’d say 60% of em haven’t a clue. If they do, I ask, feigning ignorance, ‘oh is that the mRNA one?’

Again, they largely haven’t a clue. I have once again overestimated the degree of thinking actually going on in peoples’ heads

392605 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to arfurmo, -1, #283 of 1931 🔗

Good question. I’m getting resigned to the likelihood that we will be all be coerced into taking the vaccine. I do plan to hold out as long as possible before submitting. It sounds like there will be a glut of vaccines in the second half of the year so perhaps it will be like pick and mix. Maybe some will want them all!

I’d still sooner take no vaccine, but if my arm is twisted the Novavax is the one I would go for as it seems closest to a traditional type vaccine.

392610 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Dan L, 9, #284 of 1931 🔗

Just continue to say no.

392630 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan L, 11, #285 of 1931 🔗

Errr…just remember they’ve basically said you’ll need yearly vaccinations with boosters for variants. You’ll not just be getting one. You’ll be a veritable petri dish of Pharma products.

392654 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #286 of 1931 🔗

Yep I know. I’m going to resist of course. It’s just you can see the pressure rising as time goes on. We haven’t seen it fully yet since there is still a ready supply of willing victims.

392663 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Dan L, 1, #287 of 1931 🔗

If you want a vaccine, go to a pro-lockdown site

392676 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Bungle, 5, #288 of 1931 🔗

Not sure how what I wrote can make you think I want to take the vaccine. Just in case any vaccinators are reading I do not consent!

392728 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Bungle, 3, #289 of 1931 🔗

I suppose it would be fair to say I’m more a lockdown sceptic than a vaccine sceptic. For the lockdown I am against it under any circumstances. Even so I am compelled to obey it (for the most part) because places I want to go are closed etc… For the vaccine it is not a principled objection for me. I don’t want to take it mainly because the personal risk benefit analysis goes on balance to say no. True there is also a bit orneriness to be factored in because it is being pushed by the same people who push lockdowns. But if for example I am not able to work, travel, meet people I want to meet or visit businesses because of this decision then that changes the risk benefit calculation.

392748 ▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Dan L, 6, #290 of 1931 🔗

It is possible to be a lockdown sceptic but also be ‘ok’ with taking the vaccine, if only to shut everyone up and get the economy going again. Or, that you think the virus is real but the response to it is nuts. So you take it because you don’t fancy getting Covid, just as you take the flu jab because you don’t fancy getting flu. Doesn’t mean you think there should be lockdowns to deal with flu!

LD is a broad church – there are zealots and moderates and debate about how best to go about things. Violence won’t work – the 2011 riots didn’t fix inequality in Britain – it just criminalised a lot of the youth – even though there was recognition that there was an underlying problem.

392782 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dan L, 4, #291 of 1931 🔗

so you’re against people having autonomy over their own bodies? you don’t think it should be necessary to consent to medical procedures, or even medical experimentation? the doctor should get to decide what goes into your body, or maybe Matt Hancock? Today it’s a vaccine, perhaps tomorrow it’s his penis? who cares – it’s entirely up to him what he wants to put in there, you don’t get a say in it. to impose penalties on those who for whatever reason refuse consent to a medical procedure, even if it’s just because they’re batshit crazy, is to endorse Nazism, I’m sorry, there’s no other way of putting it

392802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #292 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure how what I wrote merits this response. I’m for bodily autonomy. I think consent for medical treatment is vital. I’m certainly against any form of coercion. Coercion means your choice is taken away so I don’t think it is wrong to think about how best to deal with that.

392821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #293 of 1931 🔗

Oh and don’t be too hard on me. I’m still working out the best way to navigate this totalitarian society that has sprung up in past year.

392771 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dan L, 3, #294 of 1931 🔗

no way, I will take a bullet in the head before I take a vaccine

393062 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #295 of 1931 🔗

You may have a point. If they think people are amenable to coercion then perhaps they are more likely to try it… It was difficult for me to hear the reports about the last nights press conference about the door to door mass testing and feel that the walls are closing in regardless of what stance I take. It’s very tempting to try and squeeze myself through any hole in the cage we are all in.

392613 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 7, #296 of 1931 🔗

You can’t give informed consent if you don’t know which one you are taking

They could give you the facts about all of them and I suppose you’d have to accept the worst case scenario across them all

Also for any vaccines that are intended to be two-shot, unless they can tell you when you are going to get the second dose, your consent cannot be informed – and even if they did tell you, why would anyone believe them?

392705 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Julian, 8, #297 of 1931 🔗

They tell you which one you’re getting if you ask. My father phoned up and was told they have Pfizer at the moment so he asked for a written guarantee the second shot would be the same and on time. They refused so he refused.

392721 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #298 of 1931 🔗

Interesting

392563 Biker, replying to Biker, 33, #299 of 1931 🔗

So we’re still under occupation of the lying evil murdering scum that rules us all no fucking problem whatsoever. Still no revolution, still no fight back. Still media cunts telling us about how old people are dying, how we need to destroy my sons education to protect fuckers i don’t give a fuck about. They still have control of everything in our lives. When will we rise up? When will useless snobs like Toby Young get in their fucking faces? His pathetic letter in response to that fucker from the Guardian should have been to challenge him to a fucking debate or 3 rounds in the octagon whatever that cunt could manage. With every passing day it becomes as clear as pedophiles run the media we won’t be getting our rights back and the fucking longer useless tossers like Toby Young be all polite and reasonable the harder it’s ever gonna be to regain freedom. Mass civil disobedience should be the words coming from his and Hitchens and others who have a face in the media. Time to stand up and fight for our lives. Off course these pair and others have nice houses and a few quid in the bank so that won’t be happening and it will end up with people with nothing left rising up but off course since the evil lying scum that rule us all no fucking problem whatsoever will turn the armed police on them. In the end Toby they’ll get you the same as me so you want to toughen up and stop being a fucking pussy

392701 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 5, #300 of 1931 🔗

Hear, hear..Once again Biker tell’s it like it is. When will we realize that being polite and a bit reserved doe s not fucking work !! They are in total control because they do not follow the rules of engagement . They use napalm on use daily and we quote the rules of Geneva convention in return. This country is fucking lost and who ever think this will not end with their boot on our neck or camps is fucking deluded at best, stupid at worst. I give up trying to raise my concerns here, It will soon be a year and the situation is now worst than before and it will NEVER get better. We need fucking rioting not writing letters.

392869 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #301 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think rioting would help – they have all the tanks and guns on their side, so they will crush us like insects – and then call us ‘domestic terrorists’ and clamp down hard. All that is needed is for people to wake the fuck up to what is going on, and then mass civil disobedience: they can’t put us all in prison [oh, wait…]

392866 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Biker, 6, #302 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think poor Toby Young is the problem here. I agree he does not seem to quite fathom the depths of evil that we are up against here, but he has at least recognised that what he has managed to glimpse is wrong, and he has stood up and fought against it – at some personal risk, from where he is standing. That is far more than most have managed to do. I certainly acknowledge that he has done far more than I will ever do to damage the fascists and rally the forces on our side.

392998 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Biker, 1, #303 of 1931 🔗

Bloke`s got a bloody good point. Nearly a year in and no real, organised pushback. We had just as well clamber aboard the special trains and get it over with at this rate.

392567 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 7, #304 of 1931 🔗

Meanwhile – back at the ranch – and on the http://www.moneysavingexpert.com forum the Covidians don’t half tie themselves up in knots debating the ins and outs of how to be a good little Lockdown supporter. Just read the threads that come up sometimes on the sub-forum called “Coronavirus support and help”. One of the current ones is a lulu of just how many knots they can tie themselves up in, entitled “Another support bubble question” (can no longer see a way to give the thread number). It’s to do with whether someone is deemed to be living on their own in their own home and working on that basis – or whether they should take the lodger (who they don’t have much to do with) into account and deem themselves not allowed to see anyone because they have to share a roof with a stranger.
Duh!

392578 ▶▶ davews, replying to ElizaP, 3, #305 of 1931 🔗

I visit MSE daily but never look at the Covid threads, their general chat thread which I used to follow was closed ‘temporarily’ last summer. Since Martin Lewis no longer frequents it and after the revamp a while back it nothing like it was when I first joined. I find I get some very strange responses to perfectly innocent comments I make so guess all the Covid zealots are making themselves prominent all over it.

392645 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to davews, 7, #306 of 1931 🔗

Martin Lewis isn’t really on the side of the consumer – he built a valuable brand by pretending to be so. One thing that really annoys me is that he bangs on all the time about reducing energy costs but is utterly silent on the policies that drive these up – like consumer subsidies for renewables and the rest of the green gravy train that we end up paying for.

392805 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to davews, #307 of 1931 🔗

The Covid Zealots are indeed having a field day there. Some brave people take them on at intervals on various threads – but the zealots are either more numerous or more mouthy – can’t make up my mind which. But they definitely gang up and bully the sceptics.

392622 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 2, #308 of 1931 🔗

In law a lodger is not part of your household. If the police have a warrant to search your home it does not cover the lodgers room.

392632 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to ElizaP, 5, #309 of 1931 🔗

People have lost the ability to think for themselves. They deserve communism.

392575 Dan L, 12, #310 of 1931 🔗

The reaction to the South African strain is very odd at first sight. So it is not likely to be any more dangerous than any other strain and it is also not more infectious. What is the point?

It looks like a field test for an Australia style Zero Covid policy. There are relatively low number of cases of the variant so track and trace is potentially feasible. I don’t know when it is starting but there will be hotel quarantine for people coming here from other countries with the variant. They can’t really lockdown much more in the “outbreak” areas but people are being given sinister sounding extra “encouragement” to stay at home. And there will be Wuhan style mass testing to try to catch everyone infected with the variant.

As always with this things you would feel it is better overall if this doesn’t work but that’s only if in the face of failure they give up. (Please please give up!) Up to now failure seems instead to lead to a redoubling of the fruitless efforts. If it is deemed to work, even to some extent, we might be stuck forever in a new normal/ Zero Covid world.

392583 Biker, replying to Biker, 47, #311 of 1931 🔗

My old dear is going for the Vaccination on the 12th and i can’t wait. She’s a bit frail these days, is having heart issues and other issues. Now i’m independently wealthy myself and don’t need the money but she’s fucking loaded and with a bit of luck within a few weeks of the life saving vaccine i’ll be extra fucking loaded too. Don’t get me wrong and imagine i’m a heartless bastard wishing the demise of my old mother but i have warned her and, well, you can lead a member of the royal family to the job centre but you can’t make them work

392607 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Biker, 7, #312 of 1931 🔗

What if she’s left it to the cats home? Harrys no longer with us but I’m sure there is someone near you that can sort the will

392623 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 11, #313 of 1931 🔗

It’s all mine. Every last fucking dime. All the houses, cars, land, paintings, bonds, shares and jewellery, fuck i can even get the butler. So i’m all for the vaccination. I know it sounds callous to the working class folk who all live like cats in a sack in council houses or new build kit homes but to the families of the old empire it’s just the way it is. She’ll have a nice headstone in the private graveyard where other members of out family have been buried since the 14th century and she’ll be fucking happy. We’ll have a small gathering, eat some cucumber sandwiches, read the condolence cards and then go about our day with a stiff upper lip.

392631 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to Biker, 2, #314 of 1931 🔗

Ok. I’m guessing (and hoping) this is satire! Good one.

392759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to danny, 4, #315 of 1931 🔗

It’s all true bro. Some are born to poor people and others to very very very rich people. In my defence thus far in my life i have never taken a dime from her and never would. She wouldn’t give it anyway. However when the estate passes on from son to son then that’s a different matter

392922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Biker, 1, #316 of 1931 🔗

If it passes from son to son, how come ‘she’ has it now?

392649 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biker, 2, #317 of 1931 🔗

Old people die
This is nature
anyone who yearns for the opposite is a retard (and part of the reason we are in this mess)
Enjoy the spoils

392611 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, 13, #318 of 1931 🔗

I couldn’t give a fuck what you think

393489 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 3, #319 of 1931 🔗

Some people here just don’t do irony!

392589 Paul46, replying to Paul46, 33, #320 of 1931 🔗

I am a primary teacher and I’m concerned that the idea of voluntary summer school would not improve the situation. The children who are already engaging with learning, either at home or in school, would attend. The vulnerable children that are not engaging now, despite all attempts to encourage them and their families to do so, would not. If we can’t get them to learn in term time we don’t stand a chance in August!

392601 ▶▶ Will, replying to Paul46, 4, #321 of 1931 🔗

My thoughts exactly. The yummy mummies will increase their advantage over the prols.

393691 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Will, #322 of 1931 🔗

That’s the whole point of lockdowns and their support of it.
The ‘Dream Horders’ of Richard Reeves….

392612 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul46, 10, #323 of 1931 🔗

Totally agree!

The government that in the past virtue signalled about closing the gap between children is actively pursing a strategy of making this gap as big as possible . It is so sad that many children will never reach their potential and might suffer economic poverty for the rest of their lives.

Even children, where parents actively assist them with distance learning, are falling behind in many other areas of development, such as social interaction, physical activities etc

Teachers that do not actively lead their classes on zoom (or similar) should be on ‘ no work no pay’ or paid for only 1 hour per day when they collate the reams of papers to be sent out!

392625 ▶▶▶ Paul46, replying to Victoria, 6, #324 of 1931 🔗

It’s so true, they’re all falling behind. Online learning is honestly a farce! So much relies on face to face interaction.

392803 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 4, #325 of 1931 🔗

Even children, where parents actively assist them with distance learning, are falling behind in many other areas of development, such as social interaction, physical activities etc

This is where socioeconomic class doesn’t matter. I can imagine that even private schools will struggle badly with those you mentioned when they reopen.

392684 ▶▶ court, replying to Paul46, 4, #326 of 1931 🔗

I discovered I’m not very good at teaching – no patience! I experienced it when I had to do 7 days of home/zoom schooling because of a closed ‘bubble’ last October. It was draining to have to constantly supervise and help my 4yo daughter.

How do parents with multiple kids cope with this online learning? My sister-in-laws eldest who is just 6 hasn’t been at school in nearly a year and due to 2 younger siblings her mum has no time to help teach her.

I do hardly any ‘working from home’ all day, but as I’m a ‘key worker’ I made sure I did everything in my power to get her to school in January. We’ve had baseless threats from the school and council about them prioritsing ‘frontline’ places in the last few weeks, but I soon brought them back into line with a stern and fair letter or 2. They will not mess with my daughters education.

She’s smashing along currently with only 12 in a class with a teacher and assistant. In competition with her peers on who is the best at reading etc. How on earth do young kids fare not seeing their friends everyday?

Most evenings we go through the things she’s been taught that day, and we repeat and revise stuff till she’s great with it. I’m much better at that. I’ve got to make sure she is the best she can be especially with the incoming apocolypse!

392959 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to court, 4, #327 of 1931 🔗

How do parents with multiple kids cope with this online learning?

they don’t of course: nor those who have to work to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table, nor those who are out of their minds on crack all day. this ‘remote’ schooling is a fiction: in reality, this entire generation is not being educated. nor do they need to be, since there is no place for them in the economy of the future, in fact, there is no place for them in the future, period

392868 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Paul46, #328 of 1931 🔗

Up until the 1870’s ish there was something called the law of the sea. The captain of any ship which went down had a duty to get as many people back to land as possible and this often meant drawing straws to eat the person who lost.

The practice was abolished after Richard Parker was eaten because it wasn’t good PR when the British were creating their Empire.

I think that we have to get as many children through this as possible even if the ones who are not engaging now don’t engage with that particular solution. That’s not to say that we should rely on only one solution – we shouldn’t. There must be more than one strategy. Just that we have to make an effort to get as many as possible back to land.

I may not have argued that very well but summer schools shouldn’t be disregarded just because they won’t save everyone. Have other strategies to help during term time as well.

392595 Henry2, 8, #329 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been pontificating with some apathetic peers whom are just going along with it, which seems to be most people I know. Would the response and moral/emotional direction travelled have been different if this virus had the complete reverse age demographic impact – thus (although less of them in comparison perhaps) children with severe disease/neonatal babies would be at severe risk with equivalent CFR to someone in their 80s with co-morbidities. Children up to the age of say 18, in general had increased risk but in the same ball park as your 70+ old with little to no co-morbidities. And those of 70+ were statistically immune. You get the idea.

I’m sure others in this forum have had thought experiments likewise. Turns out the discussion centred around somehow protecting the children (school closures etc) so life could resume to some degree. I’d have thought the conversation would’ve been more pro lockdown of even more etc, testing beyond logic, but even being apathetic 30 somethings, they see there is more madness than strategy in the current response over the last year

392604 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #330 of 1931 🔗

That “scientist” from SAGE yesterday who said (to paraphrase and Godwinize) Vaccines Macht Frei and we’ll all be out of prison in no time: anyone not think he is like the Candyman sent out to big up the vaccine takeup with false and empty promises of escape. When no time arrives it is indeed no time to release the prisoners and his colleagues with colder, harder eyes come out and add another padlock to the gates.

392635 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #331 of 1931 🔗

More strains will emerge which will require a tweaked vaccine before all can be opened up and then more strains which require another tweak ……

392615 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #333 of 1931 🔗

Mrs B and I were each phoned by the local surgery and offered the vaccine. ‘No thank you’, but there was no pressure.

392619 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Basileus, 7, #334 of 1931 🔗

My mum had the phone call last week and she has so far declined. Again our surgery hasn’t put any pressure on her which is good.

392885 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 1, #335 of 1931 🔗

Maybe as there are plenty of people who will gladly have it?

393012 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Silke David, 5, #336 of 1931 🔗

yes, the idea is to get as many done as possible at the moment: start with the low-hanging fruit, those sheep that will go willingly to the slaughter. they will deal with us later. perhaps by then a simple bullet to the head will suffice. anyway – I’d rather that, it’s more honest and open

392616 BeBopRockSteady, 15, #337 of 1931 🔗

I can’t believe people still hang onto the promises. As if they don’t remember the lies and spin of the last 12 months. The flip flopping and the propaganda.

It’s utterly pathetic. They simply want to be told its all over and not have to do any thinking themselves.

It’s depressing really.

392633 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #338 of 1931 🔗

Hector Drummond has a new analysis of the Swedish data for 2020 ” Sweden’s figures DO show that lockdowns are a crime”
Worth spreading around the doomsters.

https://hectordrummond.com/2021/02/01/swedens-figures-do-show-that-lockdowns-are-a-crime/

392647 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nessimmersion, #339 of 1931 🔗

I thought he shut up shop in a fit of rage?

392656 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #340 of 1931 🔗

No, he said before Crimbo he needed to devote more attention to making money and less to free blogging.
Summat to do with feeding family and mortgage etc.

392634 rockoman, 15, #341 of 1931 🔗

Sarigan posted this yesterday:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KPacy95OHeYE/

It is a short statement from Pres. Lukaschenko.

He is clearly saying that he knows something about the ‘covid phenomenon’ which he does not or cannot share now, but will do at some future time. When it is ‘over’.

392637 b_sceptic, replying to b_sceptic, 6, #342 of 1931 🔗

Just a stupid question which I hope someone can answer and put me right.

The government have announced that through “high quality genomic sequencing” that have discovered this terrible new variant of the ďreaded Covid.

I was under the impression from several articles I have read, some of them on PCR others not, that the Covid 19 virus hadn’t been isolated. This was also in some global database CDC or the like.

I remember that there was some fluff from the designers about making up assays for the test which they thought were appropriate as they had no real isolated Covid to look at.

So how are our renowned government scientists determining that these “high quality genomic sequencings” are mutations of the original Covid?

Also, on what are these “high quality genomic sequencings” being carried out?

I just hope it’s not on the genomic “fairy soup” that is produced by high cycle PCR tests.

Please enlighten my darkness.

392643 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to b_sceptic, 5, #343 of 1931 🔗

The virus has been constructed by using computer modelling, like so much else in this madness. https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/31/phantom-virus-in-search-of-sars-cov-2/

392847 ▶▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #344 of 1931 🔗

This is exactly what I suspected.

So the question remains.

From where are the government obtaining these ““high quality genomic sequencings” and against what are they comparing them to determine they are mutated forms of Covid-19?

Surely their whole current position rests on the answers to these questions?

392852 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to b_sceptic, 3, #345 of 1931 🔗

Pretty sure the actual sequence sourcing is from some paper out of China that is basically CCP propaganda seed.

392873 ▶▶▶▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to awildgoose, 2, #346 of 1931 🔗

So apparently these new variant claims have no proven scientific basis.

392898 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to b_sceptic, 1, #347 of 1931 🔗

The Chinese published the genetic code. Variants are identified by particular gene deviations from that code.

392894 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to b_sceptic, 1, #348 of 1931 🔗

They are talking about the spike protein.
Apparently that’s a real thing they can find and sequence.

393068 ▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to b_sceptic, 2, #349 of 1931 🔗

So to summarize

We seem to be depending on a genome map for Covid-19 which was supplied by the CCP.

This we think is being used to determine variants of Covid.

Yet the following was posted today somewhere on here:

REWARDS FOR PROOF OF ISOLATION AND CAUSALITY

Samuel Eckert even offered €230,000 to Christian Drosten if he can present any text passages from publications that scientifically prove the process of isolation of SARS-CoV-2 and its genetic substance. The deadline (December 31, 2020) has passed without Drosten responding to Eckert.

And another deadline passed on December 31 without submission of the desired documentation. In this case the German journalist Hans Tolzin offered a reward of €100,000 for a scientific publication outlining a successful infection attempt with the specific SARS-CoV-2 reliably resulting in respiratory illness in the test subjects.

By the way a spike protein is not unique to Covid-19, it’s common to all coronaviruses I believe.

So we still don’t know where they are finding the samples to map for potential variants.

Neither do we know how they can determine they are covid-19 variants.

Obviously this is scientific enough to merit the actions taken!!!!

392638 danny, replying to danny, 13, #350 of 1931 🔗

Running out of cases so they decide to go door to door?
Enter Elmer Fudd (possibly William Hague?) “be wery quiet, I’m hunting Covid”.

392651 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to danny, 1, #351 of 1931 🔗

If everyone starves to death , it will save the NHS and bring down the death from COVID figures . Nobody would think that a good idea would they ? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13920279/brits-south-africa-variant-think-again-food/

392686 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to danny, 11, #352 of 1931 🔗

If these variants were so transmissible then the government wouldn’t have to go door to door to look for them.
How can supposedly intelligent people swallow this?

392749 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #353 of 1931 🔗

I just can’t work out why they care so much about this variant – it’s already in the country despite all their precautionary bollox, and it’s supposedly no more transmissible or deadly than the other Kent variant – so why act like this over it?!

More importantly, have they not noticed that S Africa themselves are showing a distinct lack of panic, and don’t appear to be overwhelmed by dead bodies?

392896 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #354 of 1931 🔗

Instead, they are lifting lockdown and even allow the sale of alcohol again!

392653 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 17, #355 of 1931 🔗

REWARDS FOR PROOF OF ISOLATION AND CAUSALITY
Samuel Eckert even offered €230,000 to Christian Drosten if he can present any text passages from publications that scientifically prove the process of isolation of SARS-CoV-2 and its genetic substance. The deadline (December 31, 2020) has passed without Drosten responding to Eckert.

And another deadline passed on December 31 without submission of the desired documentation. In this case the German journalist Hans Tolzin offered a reward of €100,000 for a scientific publication outlining a successful infection attempt with the specific SARS-CoV-2 reliably resulting in respiratory illness in the test subjects.

392698 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #356 of 1931 🔗

Great post.

And they have not been able to despite all this money on offer…..

392658 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #357 of 1931 🔗

I mean, I wish the old geezer well, I really do, but how come this can happen when old folk belonging to the rest of us have to die a miserable death alone surrounded by foreigners?

392744 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #358 of 1931 🔗

Will he be slated for this now like he was for daring to go on holiday? From hero to zero in two days flat.

392902 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to A. Contrarian, #359 of 1931 🔗

Doesn’t this happen all the time?
The press needs something to fill their pages.

393026 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to A. Contrarian, #360 of 1931 🔗

Snuffing it having had the jab would be a slight problem too. However, you can absolutely GUARANTEE it wouldn’t have ‘Covid’ written on the certificate like the rest of the poor plebs.

392659 isobar, 4, #361 of 1931 🔗

Just wanted to draw attention to the excellent article already flagged up in the round up by Julius Ruechel. https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/01/bystander-at-switch-moral-case-against.html

Should be mandatory reading for all MPs that continue to support the Lockdown Zealot line.

392660 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 28, #362 of 1931 🔗

Today I’m the the most frightened I’ve been since this whole nightmare started, having been informed by the BBC that

In Kent, police, council workers, firefighters and other agencies will visit homes to carry out on-the-spot tests of everyone in the household.

I’m not in Kent and, if I were, I would refuse this, but the national broadcaster propaganda outlet is clearly trying to create the impression that these tests are somehow obligatory. It’s so obvious that this is the next turn of the totalitarian screw and still no-one wants to know !

392679 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 15, #363 of 1931 🔗

It’s so obvious that this is the next turn of the totalitarian screw and still no-one wants to know !

So agree with this. I say this to my customers and they just close their eyes to what is going on. They look at me as though I am the mad one for being angry/anxious about the various turn of events.

392697 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 7, #364 of 1931 🔗

Worse still, the psychological conditioning has been so effective that they’d rather blame us than look the evidence in the face.

392708 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to mattghg, 4, #365 of 1931 🔗

Classic divide and rule.

392715 ▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 10, #366 of 1931 🔗

Tell them to fuck off. Or if you don’t fancy the confrontation, put up a sign saying you are shielding and won’t answer the door to anyone, especially someone who has visited every house on the street.

392867 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, #367 of 1931 🔗

Put up a sign saying you are immune compromised
I have AIDS
or my favourite “Morgellons disease”

392751 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to mattghg, 1, #368 of 1931 🔗

If you don’t answer the door presumably they can’t break in, or can they?

392855 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mattghg, 4, #369 of 1931 🔗

This is beyond Gestapo territory.

What a pathetic species we are.

392664 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #370 of 1931 🔗

The article ATL is a good one.

Bystander at the Switch: The Moral Case Against COVID Lockdowns

Do you remember the moral riddle taught in grade school called the “Bystander at the Switch” (also known as the Trolley Problem)? It was a story about a runaway train hurtling towards a cluster of people stuck on the tracks ahead. But you have the option to pull the switch and send the train down another track with a smaller number of people on it. You have the option of saving some lives by sacrificing a smaller number of others. Do you pull the switch?

I had this discussion with my family a while back. Everyone else said that they would pull the switch/lever to save more lives but I argued that I would not pull it.

My reasoning was that the train travelling in the direction it was was not due to any actions I had taken. Therefore I would not be to blame for any damage it caused. Just because I took no action to stop it would not change this. However if I did pull the switch then I would be causing someone to die as a direct result of my actions.

In truth I could pull the lever and justify it to myself as most others would but I just wouldn’t pull it. If I wasn’t there to pull the lever the result would be the same as if I chose not to pull it. The argument in essence is that “it’s your fault for being there” not in your choice of actions.

I could probably come up with countless situations where I might actually choose to pull the lever but the basic argument remains. I either choose to kill somebody or I just let things play out the way they would have had I not been there to affect things. Remember, the person who dies has no choice at all.

I believe that most people would choose to pull the lever which reflects in how the majority have been ok with the response in dealing with this virus.

392681 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #371 of 1931 🔗

I would argue that pulling the switch (lockdown) would result in more deaths not less.

392730 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #372 of 1931 🔗

I think the Trolly Problem is not so much about the situation but more about how people choose to justify their actions. Life is rarely as simple as choose to kill one person to save many.

What if the choice was kill 4 people to save 5? How about kill 4M to save 5M, it’s the same ratio. We can come up with any number of situations and our choices might be swayed by how we would justify our actions. It also raises the issue of proportionality of response.

So if we take the case of lockdowns, the question is whether or not they are justified. Given that I don’t believe them to be a proportionate response to this then I don’t think they are justified.

392687 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #373 of 1931 🔗

Most illogical thing I’ve ever read.

392693 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #374 of 1931 🔗

The government didn’t pull the switch leading to more deaths from the virus and lockdown impacts. Sweden pulled the switch took the difficult decision.

392765 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #375 of 1931 🔗

The argument isn’t simple. To know whether to pull the switch requires confidence that the expected outcome (saving lives) is actually likely. Most people wouldn’t have that confidence so shouldn’t do it.
In our government’s case, the scenario is more like them being 50% confident that a single person might be in the path of the train, and 50% confident that pulling the switch will derail the train and kill the 500 people on it. They chose to pull the switch because every life counts.
They killed everyone on the train and then spent years trying to prove that there were actually thousands on the track that were saved, meanwhile banning rail travel just in case.

392806 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to TheBluePill, #376 of 1931 🔗

You’re right, life isn’t as simple as the trolley example. I tried to address this in my response to Les Tricoteuses above.

At the heart of the dilemma is whether the actions taken are proportionate and therefore justified/justifiable.

393058 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #377 of 1931 🔗

“My reasoning was that the train travelling in the direction it was was not due to any actions I had taken. Therefore I would not be to blame for any damage it caused. Just because I took no action to stop it would not change this. However if I did pull the switch then I would be causing someone to die as a direct result of my actions.”

In Ireland, at civil law, this is the case and you would be liable for the injuries to those impacted by your decision to flip the switch whereas if you did nothing, no liability.

393157 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Nobody2021, #378 of 1931 🔗

If you want to get to the bottom of true human nature, tell ’em the single person on the track is their kid.

Our train signalers and their board of directors know exactly what they’re doing.

Sooner or later, someone is gonna be faced with a family they can’t feed or who has lost everything, and they’ll do something dreadful.

If only they’d done nothing, just like all 48 previous years of my life.

If only this was just about a virus.

392665 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 6, #379 of 1931 🔗

Why is SARS-COV 2 not isolated…? How can you make magic poison if you have not isolated the target ? Shakes head. Fake News says?.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/31/phantom-virus-in-search-of-sars-cov-2/

“One of the crucial points in this analysis was that the studies contending to have shown that SARS-CoV-2 is a new and potentially deadly virus have no right to claim this, particularly because the studies claiming “isolation” of so-called SARS-CoV-2 in fact failed to isolate (purify) the particles said to be the new virus.

This is confirmed by the answers of the respective studies’ scientists to our inquiry, which are shown in a table in our piece — among them the world’s most important paper when it comes to the claim of having detected SARS-CoV-2 (by Zhu et al.), published in the New England Journal of Medicine on February 20, 2020 , and now even the RKI.”

392689 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 4, #380 of 1931 🔗

“Recently we are being scared by alleged new strains of “SARS-CoV-2”, but that claim is not based on solid science.

First of all, you cannot determine a variant of a virus if you haven’t completely isolated the original one.

Secondly, there are already tens of thousands of supposed new strains , “found” since last winter all over the world. In fact, the GISAID virus data bank has now more than 452,000 different genetic sequences that claim to represent a variant of SARS-Cov2 .”

392694 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 4, #381 of 1931 🔗

It don’t fly….

But no study has ever proven that there is transmission of viruses in open environments, or in closed but well-ventilated ones. Even assuming that there is this transmission by air, it has been stressed that, for the “contagion” to occur, it is necessary that the people between whom the alleged transmission occurs are in close contact for at least 45 minutes .

In short, all the radical distancing measures have no scientific ground.

392666 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #382 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure if this is true as the reference I saw had no reference. But somebody stated that having the jab lowers your immune system and you need to isolate for a few days, before it become effective.

Old people in nursing homes are having the jab (I won’t call it a vaccine) and then see people and catching whatever as they have haven’t had proper social contact for a year.

Does anybody know if this is true?

392673 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #383 of 1931 🔗

Apparently this was reported on yesterday’s UK Column News , based on a report by an NHS whistleblower. I haven’t gotten around to watching it yet.

392682 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 7, #384 of 1931 🔗

It’s a must watch

392685 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #385 of 1931 🔗

Apparently you should isolate for 7 days after having the jab because it knocks out your immune system. I bet they didn’t tell anyone to do that! I like my immune system the way it is which is why I will refuse it.

392696 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #386 of 1931 🔗

AND it’s in the data! From pfizer. So it was known beforehand. No excuses – they should be telling people to be careful…ARE THEY?

392688 ▶▶ davews, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #387 of 1931 🔗

Not sure if you were listening to JHB on Talk Radio just before 8am. She was discussing the number of care home staff who are refusing jabs. Rather than just accepting that the vaccine doesn’t stop you spreading the virus (which she accepts) her correspondent was blaming the large number of deaths on this rather than the more obvious reason in that either the residents were reacting to the vaccine or as suggested their immune system was reduced afterwards and they were dying of other things. If yesterday’s reference is true it needs making public.

392863 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to davews, 1, #388 of 1931 🔗

Summary of JHB this morning.
“Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine, vaccine……..”
Good for a game of shots!

392700 ▶▶ jos, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #389 of 1931 🔗

Watch yesterday’s UK Column news for the stats on care home vaccines and there’s a graph showing the drop in immune response for 7 days following the jab.

392711 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #390 of 1931 🔗

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-1st-february-2021

To save you looking for the link. The first 20 minutes dedicated to the fourfold rise in over 80’s in care homes since December.

392764 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #391 of 1931 🔗

I know someone who had really bad side effects after a few days, like a really severe flu for just over 24 hours. She’s had pneumonia in past and this was worse. When the doctor enquired if any adverse reaction, his answer was you must have a very good immune system.

392843 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Marg, #392 of 1931 🔗

Once people had a reaction to a jab they need to be extra careful as the next jab could be fatal or lead to disability

392921 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #393 of 1931 🔗

For people with a compromised immune system or who are frail or have certain underlying conditions the pfizer jab can be very dangerous, as we know, and yes, it is good advice to look after yourself for a few days. For healthy people it should not make much difference.
I came to these conclusions after watching Dr Schmidt-Krueger on the Coronaausschuss take apart the research paper from BionTech/Pfizer supplied to the EU Vaccine regulator.

392667 boxclever, replying to boxclever, 5, #394 of 1931 🔗

Hi,first time poster here.Capt Tom in hospital,and i wish him a speedy recovery,but something niggles me with the time line.

The first vaccine in the UK was given on the 9th Dec,his family took him to Barbados on the 11th,until just after Xmas.He apparently contracted pneumonia a few weeks ago,so there would have been time for him to have the jab after his return,or even before he went.

As he is a National Treasure,and raised so much money for the NHS,you would have thought a big thing would have been made of of him getting the jab.

392874 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to boxclever, 1, #395 of 1931 🔗

As some people here have speculated either he himself has declined the jab or his daughter who is the primary carer (and possibly has POA) declined on his behalf.

There’s also the possibility that because he has pneumonia, the doctors didn’t want the risk so withheld it.

392924 ▶▶▶ boxclever, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #396 of 1931 🔗

His daughter has stated he has not had the jab because he has pneumonia,no mention of declining it.There appears to have been a window before he became ill.I would of thought most people taking a 100 year old relative on a long haul flight in a pandemic and a vaccine being available ,would take advantage of it.

394129 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to boxclever, 1, #397 of 1931 🔗

What nonsense are you talking? The jab is dangerous.

394126 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to boxclever, #398 of 1931 🔗

Que?

392670 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 8, #399 of 1931 🔗

If I have read the extract from Kucharski, “The rules of contagion”) inserted below) correctly then the prevalence of individual strains are CAUSED by lockdown.
”The pathogens behind diseases like flu and malaria are actually made up of multiple strains, which continuously compete for susceptible humans. Why doesn’t one strain end up dominating everywhere? Our social behaviour probably has something to do with it. If people gather into distinct tight-knit cliques, it can allow a wider range of strains to linger in a population . In essence, each strain can find its own home territory, without having to constantly compete with others”

392738 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to p02099003, 10, #400 of 1931 🔗

Lockdown is a worldwide biological experiment. I’m willing to bet that we’ve f*cked with viral evolution in ways never before dreamed of…

392753 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 4, #401 of 1931 🔗

Which is why prisons each have their own unique strain of flu.

392675 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #402 of 1931 🔗

The current coronavirus madness has been often compared to a number of literary works, such as Orwell’s 1984 or Huxley’s Brave New World , but for me the closest literary work is Kafka’s The Trial .

The central character is identified merely by the dehumanising letter, K. He is arrested and tried and executed without ever having done anything wrong. None of what happens makes any sense to K, yet he (and everyone else) takes everything that happens as though it is natural, inevitable, unavoidable. Yet, none of this is natural; his plight is imposed upon him by an inscrutable authority; one whose decisions are shrouded in an impenetrable mystery, and are beyond any appeal or reasoning. This creates an atmosphere of helplessness and futility, denying K the agency and autonomy that is fundamental to being human, leading to K passively co-operating with the authority that oppresses him and finally results in his destruction.

392691 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #403 of 1931 🔗

Quality stuff Steve

392710 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #404 of 1931 🔗

1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers sums up the covidian madness for me

392813 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #405 of 1931 🔗

I reckon that the original is more telling.

392853 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, #406 of 1931 🔗

It doesn’t have Mr Spock though
and Brooke Adams bobs

392825 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #407 of 1931 🔗

I prefer the 1956 version, but that’s mainly because my tastes are more inclined to 1950s sci-fi. The 1956 version has an ending which offers some hope, but this may have been tacked on as an afterthought, to avoid a pessimistic ending which audiences of the time would have disliked. The 1978 version ends without hope.

392846 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #408 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely.

It’s all pod people here.

I feel like Donald Sutherland in the scene where he’s being told, “Stop fighting it…it’s inevitable… just relax and go to sleep…”

393386 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #409 of 1931 🔗

That ine would be Metamorphosis, in which the protagonist is inconveniently transformed into a beetle

Better than a being zombie, I’d say.

392720 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #410 of 1931 🔗

Read it on holiday before the madness took hold, chilling. The book recalls that frustration of being trapped in a bad dream, knowing that it’s a dream but not being able to shake it off.

392724 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #411 of 1931 🔗

Good analogy. The Trial is a most disturbing book, like The Castle . The latter in particular I assumed was a heavy influence on 1984 – I guess people who know better than me have analysed this.

392735 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TJN, 12, #412 of 1931 🔗

At one point in The Trial K even says: “Lies are made into a universal system.” Precisely what has been done in the coronavirus narrative, where all the key words are misused to misrepresent and deceive.

392808 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #413 of 1931 🔗

The Trial is a brilliant but terrifying piece of work. Kafka’s other major work The Castle (from what I remember, it’s a long time since I read it) is also relevant to our current situation. As I recall, the protagonist continually has his hopes raised that the officials in the castle will be helpful to him, only for his hopes to be dashed by further delays.

392677 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 10, #414 of 1931 🔗

We’re back to celebrating ‘cool’ NHS staff doing funky stuff for the cameras. We’re being told to think that they’re of ‘legend’ status for dancing while on the shift…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9209875/Sassy-NHS-worker-branded-legend-sashaying-hospital-ward-TV-interview.html

392683 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to J4mes, 6, #415 of 1931 🔗

Well the Fake News says it is about ‘spirits’ and exercise and keeping loose, since of course, the poor dears are overwhelmed and on the point of dying from fatigue……the empty hospitals would be exhausting to contend with.

392723 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to J4mes, 13, #416 of 1931 🔗

The infantilisation of a country writ large.

392768 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to J4mes, 3, #417 of 1931 🔗

I will brand him a prick

392974 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to J4mes, 2, #418 of 1931 🔗

And yet we get shills saying they’re exhausted and overwhelmed while berating us for not staying at home, socially distancing and wearing masks.

392690 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 13, #419 of 1931 🔗

The Great Reopning @thegreatreopen1 twitter account has been suspended.

Social media are complicit in destroying the economy.

392692 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to this is my username, 5, #420 of 1931 🔗

All to move to Gab

392703 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, 3, #421 of 1931 🔗

Gab where free speech is corralled away from the very people who need to hear it.

392712 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 3, #422 of 1931 🔗

Telegram have started censoring 4chan accounts now too

392719 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to this is my username, 3, #423 of 1931 🔗

What does this mean?

392756 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, #424 of 1931 🔗

If the only place you can hear about the Great Reopening (amongst other free speech issues) is Gab, then the very people who need to hear it most (the public on platforms like Twitter) won’t.

392704 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to this is my username, 10, #425 of 1931 🔗

Surely a sign that *they* are getting more worried …

392702 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 32, #426 of 1931 🔗

Apart from spotting the latest New Variant beside a closed-off footpath (see my photo of yesterday) our yomp over the hill to go shopping was a slightly unsettling experience, albeit on a perfect Halcyon day – clear, sunny, almost windless. Here’s a sample:

A local pub with large grounds has erected Bedouin-style tents with tables inside everywhere. Do they know something? Whatever, we have boycotted them since July as they refuse to take cash and the owner is an arsehole.

Those vicious fear-porn ads seem to be getting through to some. You know, ‘Act like you (and everyone else) has got IT’ This marks a new low in persecution, we think, along with the targeted door-to-door testing on the latest dreamed-up pretext.  We saw a few people who were obviously keeping as far away from bio-hazards as they could. As we approached a late middle-aged woman wearing a hideous black underpants-style nappy walking in a fairly broad ginnel, she threw up her hands in terror, leapt to the side and plastered herself up against the wall facing into it. We found this a very distressing display of mental illness. It’s bad enough braving the horror movie that is shopping in a supermarket – all those silent zombies creeping around; I even miss the Muzak! Anything would be better than those constant fear-porn announcements.

[As an aside, we watched Dr Lee Merritt on ’21st Century Wire ‘. It is an excellent talk she gave last August. She showed a clip of a study which demonstrates that some viruses in droplets (which can only be seen with a powerful microscope) can travel up to 27 feet from someone just breathing out. Now we Sceptics know that anti-social distancing is based on 0 science, as is the wearing of nappies. But this 27 feet fact tickles me pink.

It means, dear zombies, there is NO POINT in cowering 2-3 metres from people, NO POINT in your grotesque cult mask as the virus goes straight through and out of the sides and carries on for 27 feet – even if you wear 3 at once!! There really is no hiding from a virus, is there? Is it any wonder that after 7 months of cowering zombiedom, some people are mystically catching seasonal viruses?? Oh, and more grim news is leaking out about the adverse effects of the poison GM jab. Who would have thunk?]

In better news, there were about 4 of us bare-faced in Morrisons and the goon didn’t even ask us about exemptions, she was too busy on her ‘smart’ phone….

Nearer home and crossing the fields which approach the supposedly closed footpath, we encountered several people, almost all of them jolly and chatty. One, a man about our age told us that he’d seen the aftermath of a bird strike. Sure enough, we passed a large patch of feathers and several hundred yards later, the macabre sight of a picked-clean leg – all that remained – of a Wood Pigeon with a few sad tail feathers still attached. A Sparrow Hawk’s doing, we surmised.

Then, ignoring the ‘Road (road?) Closed’ sign on the footpath we carried on. The Council has erected a barrier half-way but people have pulled it down. There is little sign of why the path is closed and, here’s the thing: Normally we meet 1 or 2 people, tops, on this whole mile-and-a quarter route. Yesterday, we counted 15 plus assorted dogs!  Fuck you, Wankcock and Lardy-Liar! MW

392850 ▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #427 of 1931 🔗

Great post from you as usual, Miriam W. However non-Derbyshire residents may need a translation for “ginnel”! (alleyway). Here in Derby city it’s often called a jitty (unintentional rhyme).

392936 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Edward, 3, #428 of 1931 🔗

Thanks, Edward. I’ve never come across ‘jitty’ before and we’ve lived in a lot of places. One for the collection – and we can see its rhyming possibilities 🙂

They’re ‘shuts’ in Shrewsbury’, ‘snickets’ in West Yorkshire. I am not sure what the High Peak word actually is, it’s just that I’ve used ‘ginnel’ for donkey’s years (I think it’s North Yorkshire but I’m happy to be corrected.) MW

392951 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #429 of 1931 🔗

Re the pub, I am hopeful to be able to work in hospitality again soon, and I have noticed businesses advertising for staff. Even if it says start date depending on.
A lot of hospitality businesses assume eating in separate tents is what people will want. People will think it is a novel idea, see the post earlier today where people flocked to a back garden to be served cup a soup and microwave meals.
If putting up tents so that people can eat outside (in the rain) is the only option to stay open or close the business forever, I’d rather eat in a tent.

393180 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Silke David, 4, #430 of 1931 🔗

Actually they are not separate tents. Just bloody big ones! The tables under them looked quite close together to us. It’s outside anyway in the tropical North of England – not my idea of fun, even on most summer evenings up here. This indeed looks like a version of the New Normal and while we don’t wish going bust on anyone, only very well-heeled business owners like this one are going to be able to afford to jump through what they see as Government/customer-driven hoops. As it is, pubs and restaurants nearly bankrupted themselves adapting their premises to appease the ‘rules’ and then got kicked in the teeth anyway by ‘Tiers’ and more ‘Lock-downs’.

We were in an off-licence yesterday. The muzzled owner had installed the inevitable perspex screen in front of the counter to ‘make his customers feel secure’. It cost him £100 and he said it was the sort of thing he ‘could have knocked up in a CDT lesson for a few quid.’ Somebody is making a bloody mint out of these useless items and ‘measures’ and that’s before you start on disposable masks and aprons. We went in a couple of pubs last summer where there were no screens and they were packed indoors, or at least as much as they were able to be. Nobody seemed remotely scared.

If we keep accepting these kind of ‘adaptations’ we’ll have them for ever. It’s hard to imagine otherwise at the moment but the Government knows full well it could turn it all off overnight. Other countries/states seem to be doing this now despite apparently rising ‘cases’. Who is pulling our buggers’ strings then that they don’t? It couldn’t be anything to do with Lard-Arse’s & co’s unhealthy relationship with Big Pharma and Bill Gates could it?

Sure, some people would take a long time to regain their sanity and confidence, but I suspect that most would embrace the Old Normal very quickly if it was on offer.

Good luck with finding work anyway. MW

393757 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #431 of 1931 🔗

Quite agree that only a few pubs can afford this, I live next door to one and they own 4 more. They spent a lot of money and making them “covid-secure”, and are pissed off loads that they still had to close and we will see how many will re-open. Most of their pubs are in small villages.
I hope that people will choose to sit indoors like we used to, too.

392706 Victoria, 4, #432 of 1931 🔗

YouTube Censors Over 500,000 Videos to Protect Globalist COVID-19 Hysteria Narrative
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/youtube-censors-over-500000-videos-to-protect-globalist-covid-19-hysteria-narrative/

392707 Victoria, 9, #433 of 1931 🔗

.YouTube Censors Over 500,000 Videos to Protect Globalist COVID-19 Hysteria Narrative
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/youtube-censors-over-500000-videos-to-protect-globalist-covid-19-hysteria-narrative/

392713 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 37, #434 of 1931 🔗

Stockholm subway five days ago. Just think, everyone in this picture has now sadlidied of Covid, along with their entire families.

392717 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #435 of 1931 🔗

Sometimes a picture (+real data) does indeed ….

392725 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 2, #436 of 1931 🔗

Ye of little faith. From Sebastian Rushworth’s twitter:

https://twitter.com/sebrushworth/status/1354817813324517377

Edit: Sorry Rick slightly misunderstood your reply at first. Apologies.

392732 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 19, #437 of 1931 🔗

How do they live with themselves, knowing how many people they’re killing?

I assume the Swedish govt hasn’t put out such propaganda. I’d be interested to know how many other governments have. I get the feeling that the British government has been unique on that front, and not in a good way.

392739 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #438 of 1931 🔗

The City Of London is driving most of this it’s not the Govt / Scientists on their own . The City / Vatican and D.C. are the superpower

392840 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #439 of 1931 🔗

psychopaths don’t really care

392733 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #440 of 1931 🔗

It’s not been 2 weeks yet…

392741 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #441 of 1931 🔗

People drop down dead in the street! Instantly! Don’t you remember those heart rending images from Wuhan!?

392746 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #442 of 1931 🔗

How could we forget those laughable er I mean harrowing images

392750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #443 of 1931 🔗

Dear oh dear.

392789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #444 of 1931 🔗

Any amateur photographers and painters who are studying composition may do worse than analyse the dead-person-lying-on-the-street-for -photo picture. For a spontaneous street shot it is epically well composed with a figuratively made cross dead centre. Rule of thirds doing nicely, a faint wiff of “I wonder what is just around the corner” and, of course, red. The Red of fear.

I wonder when the guardian will start faking shots with green screen and journos with nothing better to do that stand about in zoot suits looking menacing.

392964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 3, #445 of 1931 🔗

He’s lying very neatly for a dead person isn’t he? Arms and legs out straight. Mask still on…

392954 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #446 of 1931 🔗

Stockholm subway system is a wonderful engineering experience, the tunnels are sometimes so far down! They have got the ventilation system down, so I would have no qualms being there.

392729 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nickbowes, 18, #448 of 1931 🔗

They want them to be tougher enforcing lockdown on other people – not on them, of course. Because when they break the rules, it’s OK, but not when other people do it because they’re all thick dirty plebs.

392716 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #449 of 1931 🔗

Pfizer COVID jab warning: No breastfeeding, avoid pregnancy for 2 months, unknown fertility impacts
A safety instructions document published by the UK government states ‘For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-not-safe-for-pregnant-or-breastfeeding-mums-potential-danger-for-fertility
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WHO warns against administering Moderna coronavirus vaccine to pregnant women

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9189157/WHO-warns-Modernas-COVID-19-vaccine-NOT-used-pregnant-women.html

392722 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 5, #450 of 1931 🔗

I actually agree that ‘it’s up to patients’.

… wit the proviso that they are given full information.

392726 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to RickH, 5, #451 of 1931 🔗

‘Unknown fertility impacts’ Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!. Did they really say that???

392740 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Victoria, 7, #452 of 1931 🔗

I have just recently stopped breastfeeding my daughter but I am a member of a breastfeeding group on facebook. There are many concerns around this for breastfeeding mothers and also those who want to have future children. The majority are concerned but of course a GP comes on to say she is breastfeeding, wants more children and has had the vaccine (I cant recall which one).

392754 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #453 of 1931 🔗

Somebody on Twitter posted an article from a few years ago with the title “Breastfeeding is not natural”. The article itself was arguing that it led to anti-vaxx sentiments.

Just did a Google search and it’s not the one I saw but is saying the same thing:

Are there unintended consequences to calling breast-feeding ‘natural’?

Breast-feeding: “It’s only natural.” It’s a message women may have seen on Facebook or a state health department website, or heard on the radio, as part of a campaign launched in 2013 by the Department of Health and Human Services.

But, according to a pair of experts, this type of campaign could backfire in a big way. When federal and local health departments use the term “natural” to promote breast-feeding, it could inadvertently fuel concerns over other aspects of health and society that are seen as “unnatural,” such as vaccines, genetically modified foods and assisted reproductive technologies, the experts warn.

392838 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #454 of 1931 🔗

Big business (infant milk producers) are behind this one.

393577 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nobody2021, #455 of 1931 🔗

breast-milk essentially allows the infant to hitch a free ride on its mother’s immune system. but of course nobody makes any money out of that, do they, so it must be stopped.

392776 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 9, #456 of 1931 🔗

Tv top quack hilary was fighting the corner to vaccinate (inverted commas all over the vaccinate btw) pregnant women in debate with a lovely sensible lady who was suggesting no safey evidence to show it is safe.
Hilary’s arrogance had him back-flipping like a clown in big shoes to fit the two ideas together. No safety data but at the sametime mu~st vac~sin~ate preg~nan~t wo~mxn. I was left with a distinct impression it is dangerous NOT to vaccine at the same time as there being no evidence it is sade.

His powers of stupidity laid quite bare on live TV. Cognitive disonance rattling about his cranium like a marble in a drain. All the while his evil eyes peering into the camera.

I heard the exchange on the Richie Allen Radio Show last week, so not certain about his eyes, but is image has been seared into the national minds eye by year upon year of the man leering into television cameras.

392731 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #457 of 1931 🔗

the fight against this virus”

I always think of phrases like this as sure markers of ignorance, venality or bullshit.

392736 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, 2, #458 of 1931 🔗

They should be arming people with fly swatters not masks.

392737 Jo Starlin, 15, #459 of 1931 🔗

“Lockdown might be one way of attaining a slower death rate, just as cannibalism is one way of attaining a high-protein diet. The desirability of the result hardly seems to balance the objections.”

(with apologies to the late Robert Conquest).

392743 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #460 of 1931 🔗

https://twitter.com/DonkeyDoobries/status/1356363821682720768?s=20

Posted last night, you won’t see this on BBC it is important everyone in Britain knows this is going on. Family home invaded by nazi police 2021 Britain. An absolute disgrace when you consider the band of thugs tooled up in cold blood to visit the family, then esculated the situation to violence, threats.

392809 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 4, #461 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely disgusting. I think I’m right in saying that nothing has changed and that they still do require a warrant to enter premises?

392824 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Basics, 2, #462 of 1931 🔗

They wouldn’t get in my house or anywhere near my family. Period.

392882 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Basics, 1, #463 of 1931 🔗

apparently the lady had “threatened a neighbour with a bat, and one of the older boys had pepper-sprayed another neighbour”. So, not sure if the whole video is in context. If that isn’t the case, then of course, the action of the police isn’t only reprehensible, but unlawful as well!

392997 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basics, 2, #464 of 1931 🔗

I have just watched this and I cannot express in adequate terms my disgust, shock, horror and anger at it. I hope those police officers are disciplined. Those children were distressed and they just made the situation worse. My goodness, that any Government should think at all that this is the way to treat their Citizens for singing in their garden is a disgrace to democracy.

392745 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #465 of 1931 🔗

The IFS report on the costs of missed schooling tends to miss the key issues and has a simple-minded accountants’ view of ‘catching up.’

It’s a bit intellectually impoverished, and a reminder that the UK has an excess of accountants and a dearth of many other skills.

392766 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #466 of 1931 🔗

Indeed, and line 1 should have been “open the schools now and don’t close them again”

392862 ▶▶ alw, replying to RickH, 1, #467 of 1931 🔗

Excess lawyers too most of whom have drifted into Parliament or Yuman rights. Noticeable that they are not standing up for the people at this time.

393566 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to alw, #468 of 1931 🔗

human rights lawyers and banks: people who will lend you an umbrella when it’s not raining

392918 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to RickH, 2, #469 of 1931 🔗

Some of us accountants can think outside the box 😉

392755 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #470 of 1931 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/01/locusts/

Excellent allegory from Catte Blacke at OffG.

This may reach some people, who otherwise are impossible.

If so, then link and distribute far and wide.

392788 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, 1, #471 of 1931 🔗

That is very very good.

392871 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, #472 of 1931 🔗

Brilliant.

392757 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 26, #473 of 1931 🔗

Morning Sceps, A little story. A friend of Mrs 2-6 has an old uncle, we shall call him Uncle Bob. He is 76 and he has had dimentia for a long time. He also suffers from regular seizures, absences, quite frequently and they don’t really know why.

He is in a care home round this way. He got the jab about a week and a half ago and so did his fellow care home inmates. Uncle Bob then went on to develop pneumonia and also his seizures got worse and more frequent. He got taken to hospital and they swabbed him and obviously he tested +ve and they sent him back to the care home. Also prior to to the arrival of the jab crew two other residents were released from hospital after testing +ve back to the care home.
So now Uncle Bob is suffering from covid attack and pneumonia, 5 staff and 4 residents have now got the Rona…or something….

Interestingly our local National Hell Service have now got a “COVID Home care team” paramedics who can visit homes and give drugs and Oxygen and O2 monitors etc to covid victims in care homes and they or relatives can choose if the rona victim is treated in hospital or in a care home or at home.

Looks like the jab roll out is going well and soon we will have a nice little booster to the death stats to boot!
++good.

392796 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 8, #474 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for that info. As I posted yesterday my MiL’s care home is now shut down after 4 cases of Covid discovered after having the jab.

392822 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Two-Six, 6, #475 of 1931 🔗

I was speaking with a colleague this morning, her Grandfather got the jab too then caught Covid a couple of weeks later. He wasn’t in a home though and is ok now thankfully.

392761 Binra, 8, #476 of 1931 🔗

Quote:
“Once governments have tasted absolute power and begun spending without limit, it is difficult to reverse course.”

This statement poses governments as the source of finance. This is entirely wrong.
If the Banks (private corporation) and other ‘stakeholder’ leverage does not support the political activity, it is starved of the basis to persist. QE – so called is the example of inflating money supply to support the Banking sector under the premise that the tares are so intertwined with the Economy that to pull them out (let them fail) would destroy the whole system – hence anything in the core corruption that includes financial deceit is deemed too big to fail and has to be kept out of court by all and any means.
Under the fearful belief that the system is our only source of structure and protection, we sacrifice the living to the ‘system’ which is hollowing out at an accelerating point (as can be seen in terms of blatant plunder of the people via what was the NHS but has been infected and hijacked by a ‘viral coup’. PPP had hollowed it and taken over most of it in any case and that is the underlying Corporate capture of regulators and institutions of public service to become the tick-box delivery of ‘services’ under corporate constraints. A god of profit in strictly financial terms of assets and liquidity operates the consolidation of control to survival within the framing of the system and monopolist cartels DO combine and conspire to deny real competition while protecting their turf within a Family of organised crime, not least by the capture of politicians as the means to make the laws that protects them against transparency and accountability.

This becomes and has become the means to set and impose weaponised narratives by which to redistribute fear, hate and blame – and therefore flow of funds and diversion of consequence – away from themselves and towards anything deemed obstructive to their further consolidation of control of the means to possess and control – along the lines that the narrative frames – such as a top-down freedom to impose any kind of ‘medically justified’ (sic) procedure or constraint under the Name of Protection against Terror – backed by a social investment in ‘virtue’ (sic) of narrative compliance.

Rational checks and balances are ignored and overridden by the means to operate a blanket persistence of emotional and psychic manipulation through a hollowed, captured and commandeered ‘Media’, a similarly bought or compromised political class, a similarly groomed corporately lockstepping PR, and selected key opinion leaders in the public consciousness. Along with ‘guidelines’ instituted globally by alphabet NGOs that morph by mission creep to regulatory structures that operate locally right down to granular level of shops, trades, nursery schools – as bound by contractual statutes instituted by member states to such ‘deals’.

I sketch this because as long as we let the dissociated set the narratives and frame the conversation, we will forever shout into their kettle as if they or anyone should listen.
Narrative ‘identity’ is an invested sense of self-illusion. A spiritually integrated identity is a capacity to recognise truth in another and extend as appreciation. To see another as ourself is not to see if they fit our terms and conditions as to whether to acknowledge. Freedom of association is the freedom to be ourselves in relation. Not to get a sense of self set apart and over ‘relationships’ as if to use them for a distanced, locked down and masked bubble seeking protection in social reinforcement.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/sketching-out-sense-of-context-to.html

392767 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #477 of 1931 🔗

Third ‘wave’??????? WTF??

I haven’t seen a second ‘wave’ – just a seasonal normal death rate, rising to a higher than average level in early January.

392784 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 8, #478 of 1931 🔗

I haven’t seen a first wave, I’ve just seen the death stats for care homes which the NHS and Government caused.

392834 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #479 of 1931 🔗

No – the April spike (‘wave’) was real, and wasn’t only about Care Homes.

393556 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, #480 of 1931 🔗

Yes, Ivor Cummins, who I respect greatly, recognises the April wave. Even so, I refuse to concede them anything – if they have proven themselves to be liars, then everything they say becomes tainted. rather like when a student cheats in an exam – he gets ‘zero’ for the whole exam, you don’t allow him any correct answers, his entire effort is vitiated and worthless.

392856 ▶▶ alw, replying to RickH, 3, #481 of 1931 🔗

Viruses don’t do waves only the Queen does.

392769 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 8, #482 of 1931 🔗

I have been sending emails to my MP regarding my freedoms and liberty being removed. I’m not an eloquent writer or educated enough to put my points across in the way I would like.
The questions I ask are addressed but in a roundabout way.
My last email was simple.
I asked two questions.

1: “What crime have I committed that I am unable to leave my house?

2: When will I be released?”

I received his reply, has he released me?

His answer to question 1 is ” You are free to leave your home. The Scottish government has only requested that you do not travel outside of your local authority area.”

Question 2 is ” you may come and go from your home at anytime.”

Am I free to leave my home. The Scottish government has only requested that I don’t travel outside my area. Does that mean it’s not against the law?

You may come and go from your home at anytime. Does that mean I can go anywhere? At anytime?

Sorry to seem thick but is this what his meaning is and I can go wherever I please? Or doesn’t he know the laws his boss has imposed upon the people of Scotland? (Does this mean I’m special and I have got a free pass? I’m being slightly sarcastic here)

392777 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Just about sane, 6, #483 of 1931 🔗

The rules, which have not been passed through Parliament are open to a lot of interpretation. Masks for instance, enforcement in any way is a no go.

392772 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #484 of 1931 🔗

E484K.

This is now being lined up as a possible excuse as to why the vaccines aren’t as effective as expected.

392804 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #485 of 1931 🔗

Even an idiot like me knows that viruses mutate and new versions of the flu vaccine are produced annually or perhaps more often, and that they are nothing like 100% effective, especially in older people

This cannot be a surprise to even our idiot leaders, they must have known

It is starting to look more and more like a coup to me

392818 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 6, #486 of 1931 🔗

The allegory linked by Rockoman below is very good:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/02/latest-news-273/#comment-392755

All they’ve done is take things that are relatively common occurances and sold them as things we should be scared of.

392929 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #487 of 1931 🔗

And it’s worked a treat. They must laugh themselves to sleep every night.

392773 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #488 of 1931 🔗

Remember when people were used as cannon fodder, are we now Gene Therapy fodder, harvesting our DNA for their new Gene Therapy units opening this year, either way, looks like we are investment fodder, arms, pharma, whatever

392826 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 2, #489 of 1931 🔗

And they will make millions from it – Can only thank you on behalf of them

392774 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 24, #490 of 1931 🔗

My son just made me laugh, which is quite rare these days (general laughter I’m referring to not my sons comedic talents). He said he wishes the army or whoever would come round, he would open the door with his pants down and arse out saying that he wants the the Chinese test!. I now want to go back to my bed and put my head under the duvet, give me a shout please when it’s all over and sanity has been restored.

392800 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hellonearth, 7, #491 of 1931 🔗

Given the army is prob overrun with degenerates at this point – perhaps not the best idea

392829 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #492 of 1931 🔗

Ha ha

392930 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #493 of 1931 🔗

That has given me the first laugh of the day!!

393001 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #494 of 1931 🔗

Bahahaha!!!!

392778 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #495 of 1931 🔗

This is a good watch:
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_guest.php?ref=726&part=1&person=20

“Major documentary confirmation of something many of us have come to know for certain in recent times: the entire COVID-19 world-shutdown is part of a live training and simulation exercise run by the unscrupulous WHO and United Nations, as documented in their Global Preparedness Monitoring Board’s annual 2019 report and their International Health Regulations treaty of 2005-which 194/or 196 countries signed off on-which pretty much establishes a Global Government (of the WHO & United Nations, & the high-level international GMPB) along with their sponsors, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Welcome Trust, & other unnamed donors.

Please share this video widely. People in office have failed their oaths to protect the people, and We the People need to wake up and do something definitive about it. Every government has been complicit in the destruction of their own country’s economy, the vast suffering of their people brought on by these massive shutdowns and house-arrest assaults-on-the-psyche as people lost jobs, livelihood, purpose in life, social life, and were held back from any normalcy in going outdoors, even to sanctuaries in Nature but forced to wear masks in public instead and submit to police tyranny. Meanwhile, small and large businesses have crashed, families have been prevented from seeing their elderly relatives in hospice, many have died alone. Hospitals are cooking up numbers for COVID deaths, MSM plays out strings of new cases and new deaths.”

Well I say its a good watch, it isn’t as it’s really BORING but then it’s only REALLY BORING because it is looking at the toxic mind numbing bilge that big corporate new world order think tanks pump out.

If you can stand having your brain flossed by corporate new-speak then actually it’s really interesting. The presenter lady does a nice job of getting the info over too.

392926 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 3, #496 of 1931 🔗

LOL brain flossing!! 😂 😂 I’ll use that some time.

393328 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, #497 of 1931 🔗

thanks I’ve seen enough videos like that, I’ll accept your summary of it, thanks for taking one for the team!

392779 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #498 of 1931 🔗

My doctors surgery just phoned to offer me a Covid jab which I politely declined. There are sick people out there who the NHS are ignoring but give the doctors a chance of earning a few extra quid and they’re willing to meet their patients afterall.

392781 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #499 of 1931 🔗

YOU were polite????
WTF???????
😉

392919 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 6, #500 of 1931 🔗

I’m expecting a DNR notice any day now. 😂 😂 😂

392923 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #501 of 1931 🔗

I just hope those householders in the areas identified by Wancock yesterday for door to door testing either don’t open their doors or not so politely decline the test. Talk about a fishing expedition.

392966 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #502 of 1931 🔗

Can they not find enough people and need to throw it away?
Ah, but then the govt can say it has been offered and they are hitting their target.

Offered does not mean people have taken it up, but most people will not make that distinction in a 3 minute news bulletin.

392780 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #503 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just cleared a path through 6″ deep snow which the BBC website still claims is sleet with a fresh breeze.
Looks like dePiffle and Poppycock, with the help of the Nudge Unit, have now turned their hand to weather forecasting.

392857 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #504 of 1931 🔗

You have encountered the Arctic variant of sleet, a dangerous variant that we must overcome.

392877 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to p02099003, 6, #505 of 1931 🔗

The army are out looking for it, door to door, with Precipitation Change Reaction tests.

392783 Apache, replying to Apache, 17, #506 of 1931 🔗

I am getting seriously concerned with the average reader of say the Times and their blind insistence that health care workers will have blood on their hands if they decline vaccination. We have to get the message across that there is NO evidence that the vaccines prevent transmission. It is up to individuals to decide the benefits or otherwise and act accordingly. SAGA, Pimlico plumbers and Barchester healthcare need to be stopped now in their insistence on mandatory vaccinations.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-over-70s-have-had-covid-vaccine-but-care-home-staff-trail-behind-62nxtzflr

392883 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Apache, 9, #507 of 1931 🔗

I am no longer concerned because I know this is not an argument any more.

At least, they don’t really want to convince anyone. They see you as anti-vax if you question at all. There is no space in their mind on this issue.

393019 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Apache, 3, #508 of 1931 🔗

There is a logic fail in the care homes trying to mandate the vaccine for staff.

The manufacturers are only claiming reduction in symptoms for the recipient and not immunity. They say the virus can still be caught and passed on and PPE plus other safeguards are to continue.

All residents will have been vaccinated so their risks of becoming seriously ill are reduced (allegedly), so it doesn’t matter if some staff are not vaccinated.

Presumably, this is a great big virtue signalling advertising campaign as in ‘All our staff are vaccinated’. Translation – put your loved ones in our care they will be safer here and we can continue to make lots of lovely profit for our shareholders.

Mentioning no names, but a certain CEO has just received a one million pound raise per annum whilst the staff are among the lowest paid in the care industry.

392785 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 25, #509 of 1931 🔗

ITV weather stated it is the coldest winter for 10 years. Would that not mean we would expect to see more deaths in the elderly in January than ever?

392790 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #510 of 1931 🔗

Colder than the Beast from the East two years ago?

392791 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #511 of 1931 🔗

Bollocks its a relevatively balmy 13 degrees outside right now. (Tropical West Berkshire)

392797 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Two-Six, 4, #512 of 1931 🔗

Sub-tropical 7 degrees here.

392859 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Two-Six, 1, #513 of 1931 🔗

I am sorry to break it to you 26, but Berkshire is not the centre of the universe.

392861 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Norman, 3, #514 of 1931 🔗

It is for golf courses….some of the best on the planet….

392903 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Norman, 2, #515 of 1931 🔗

Yes it is.

392792 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #516 of 1931 🔗

I got my windows open

392799 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #517 of 1931 🔗

Hold that thought in mind, along with the lockdown which kills people and include the possibility of increase death after vaccinations. As reported on yesterdays UKC the increase in death in over 80s is 4 times higher than before the vaccine roll out began in early December.

392914 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basics, 2, #518 of 1931 🔗

I haven’t seen the UKC report but I will find it and listen to it. I hadn’t realised the number of deaths post vaccine roll out was so high.

392816 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #519 of 1931 🔗

more bullshit…….in the 1960s 70s 80s etc we had 5 foot of snow every year in Yorkshire,,,its bullshit….

392823 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #520 of 1931 🔗

Charlie Blue said 10 years.

… which is correct.

392827 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to RickH, 4, #521 of 1931 🔗

apparantly the planet is going to die in ten years anyway…so I dont see the point in weather forecasts?

392864 ▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #522 of 1931 🔗

Isn’t it less than that by now, or is it a perpetual 10 years?

392915 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #523 of 1931 🔗

So true. Especially when 9 times out of 10 they are incorrect. Very much like Neil Fergusons predictions.

392931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #524 of 1931 🔗

I wince when I see postings on this site advertising a blindness to actual facts in favour of hobby-horse riding.

It really isn’t a good look for a site claiming rational rebuttal of Covid nonsense.

If Ferguson’s modelling had been anywhere near the accuracy of weather forecasting, we wouldn’t be anywhere near this shit-show.

393051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 1, #525 of 1931 🔗

But it was just what they needed to scare the morons.

392875 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #526 of 1931 🔗

Aye and ‘ave a bag o’ gravel for breakfast.

392945 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #527 of 1931 🔗

I remember snow up to the letterbox when you opened the front door.

392831 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #528 of 1931 🔗

Where in the name of God do they get that from?

392917 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #529 of 1931 🔗

By Sticking their finger up their proverbial where the sun doesn’t shine and doing a rough calculation!!

393125 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #530 of 1931 🔗

From the highly reliable Met Office weather stations of course

392849 ▶▶ mj, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #531 of 1931 🔗

that damn global warming again !!!!

392884 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #532 of 1931 🔗

That seems reasonable to expect.

392891 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #533 of 1931 🔗

A few years ago it barely got above freezing for months. This year isn’t even close.

392906 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #534 of 1931 🔗

I would say there could well be a correlation but we’ll never know.

392907 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #535 of 1931 🔗

I don’t believe it. Which country were they talking about because I don’t think it was the UK.

392973 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #536 of 1931 🔗

Nothing in the news this year about fuel poverty and winter allowance for pensioners.

392798 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 9, #537 of 1931 🔗

Mask madness update from Belgium – coming to a place near you soon. So useless masks are still ok, but useless home made stuff is not ok – It has to look like a mask to show your compliance.

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/152320/crisis-centre-gives-update-on-belgiums-covid-19-figures/

Following the compulsory use of FFP2 masks in Germany and Austria, and also the emergence of more contagious variants of the coronavirus, the Risk Assessment Group (RAG) has drawn up a new recommendation on the use of face masks.
“First, fabric masks or disposable masks are still the standard choices in Belgium,” Van Gucht said. “Fabric masks are also still satisfactory. Disposable masks are not necessarily better.”
Secondly, scarves, neck warmers or bandanas should not be used as an alternative anymore, ” he said. “This was only allowed because there initially was a shortage of masks.”
FFP2 masks are not recommended for the general population, Van Gucht stressed. “They are expensive, cannot be reused and are uncomfortable to wear.”
Masks with an exhaust valve should not be used either. “You will typically find them on industrial masks that you can buy, for example, at the DIY store,” he said. “The droplets can escape through the valve and infect those around us.”

392814 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to godowneasy, 13, #538 of 1931 🔗

Oh great..Luckily for me and I have never and will never wear a fucking mask so who gives a shit?

392828 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 10, #539 of 1931 🔗

I’m a little surprised it’s taken the Covidians this long to add policing mask type/quality to their secular sharia.

392900 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 1, #540 of 1931 🔗

Masks or face coverings those are the options.

393000 ▶▶ jos, replying to godowneasy, 6, #541 of 1931 🔗

Can’t people see the fakery at work in the acronyms they come up with: SAGE for the wise scientists, NERVTAG for the wild variants, SpiB for the protein-coding internal surveillance gene and now RAG for the use of masks (risk assessment group): I can just imagine all the ROFL and LOLs of the perpetrators of this scam. IMO they are all Completely Useless Nonsense-Talking Shits (or the acronym)..

392801 peter-, replying to peter-, 40, #542 of 1931 🔗

“Captain Sir Tom Moore surrounded by family in hospital”

Telegraph headline.

So multiple people from multiple households going in and out of an NHS hospital, seemingly as and when they please…didn’t think this sort of thing was allowed but seemingly certain “heroes” and their families can play by different rules.

392807 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peter-, 35, #543 of 1931 🔗

If he wasn’t so famous he would die alone, as most of our elderly have done.

392817 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #544 of 1931 🔗

Of course but the whole last year of his life is being staged managed to the nth degree and he is being exploited appallingly.

Wonder how many of these lefty activist Drs (the appalling Hugh Montgomery springs to mind) will be speaking out against this blatant disregard to “da rules” and say his family have blood on their hands.

393366 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to peter-, 3, #545 of 1931 🔗

Do you remember Jade and her merchandised cancer death? Have Tom’s family hired a Max Clifford, do you think?

Within five seconds of dear Tom breathing his last, billions of zombies will have signed virtual books of condolence.
I think we should set one up ourselves, and charge every zombie a tenner to sign it,

393455 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Annie, 2, #546 of 1931 🔗

Of course Annie, the book will be virtually full already given the news that has just broken.

Piers Moron will be in front of his mirror right now practicing his fake grief for GMB tomorrow morning and people will be making this a personal tragedy.

It is sadness, nothing more than that, for his family and friends. The bloke was 100 years old and likely didn’t want all the fuss.

Agree there was a huge PR angle to this and likely to continue for quite some time, another reason to continue lockdowns as one of the “heroes” has succumbed to it (apparently).

392897 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #547 of 1931 🔗

That is so true Bella Donna and so sad also. Double standards again

392820 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to peter-, 2, #548 of 1931 🔗

Someone said that Captain Tom was responsible for thousands of deaths and for perpetuating The Madness.

Discuss.

392835 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #549 of 1931 🔗

Not sure how that would be true on either level. What I think is sad about this whole thing is he was trying to do something simple and personal to him and it was transformed in to a mass publicity stunt by the media.

He has become a sort of Greta Thundercloud or whatever the hell her name is figure for COVID, exploited by all around him (including his family) to get their point across.

Saw he went on holiday to Barbados when it was permissible to do so which may be what people have an issue with but can’t see why they would.

393244 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to peter-, 1, #550 of 1931 🔗

it was clear long ago that this tyranny was never intended for them, or their protegees, it is solely for us, the little people who don’t matter

393254 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to peter-, 1, #551 of 1931 🔗

Feels like they set him up! Take him on a holiday then tell the sheepe see look what happens when you travel!! I don’t know if it’s just me but I feel like I will never have a foreign holiday again unless I migrate from these water soon.

393319 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Andrew K, 2, #552 of 1931 🔗

Don’t think their that cynical on trying to set him up, but 100 year old man hospitalised with winter respiratory infection is NOT NEWS.

On the holidays thing there has to be some hope, I make my living out of them and damn it’s been a rough year and no end in sight.

Getting out of Britain might be the best thing to do, apart from Oz and NZ seemingly every other country is abandoning lockdowns but these evil maniacs here keep doubling down.

392812 RoseE, replying to RoseE, 9, #553 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just watched…well, I’ve nothing better to do…my neighbour being stretchered off to hospital (no visible breathing equipment, so I’m not sure what was wrong with this elderly man). It took 9 paramedics (or other personnel), 5 vehicles (including a car from the air ambulance service) and over an hour.  Make of that as you will.

392892 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RoseE, 2, #554 of 1931 🔗

Obviously not too busy then? Do you know if he had the jab?

393602 ▶▶▶ RoseE, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #555 of 1931 🔗

No idea if he’d had a jab, but the Chairperson of the Parish Council is widely plugging them in the Parish magazine. In the same paragraph as she berates me as the “anonymous” person who has been putting dangerous leaflets through doors (backtonormal.org.uk), she ends with “Many of you will have received the vaccination — this is the way forward. Please ignore the leaflet”.

392832 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 13, #556 of 1931 🔗

Beautiful postcard from South Africa, on the day the UK is starting the hysterics on the “South African variant”, again proving that lockdowns and all the measures are useless at best, and they can only be afforded (for now) by countries that borrow in their own currency, and those poorer countries cannot afford them, do not implement them, and have no nasty consequences to suffer.

Also, these poorer countries have lousy health services. Is it a true blessing in disguise that South Africa does not have an NHS that needs saving and protecting?

392851 ▶▶ alw, replying to Teebs, 5, #557 of 1931 🔗

Excellent medical services for those who can afford in South Africa many better than U.K. State services hugely underfunded since ANC took over. South African doctors have left in droves under ANC.

392889 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Teebs, 2, #558 of 1931 🔗

I don’t know about lousy health services in Africa or poorer countries because an elderly relative got far better treatment in Latin America than they would ever have got here. Once returned to the UK they had to wait 8 weeks for a GP appointment to continue the treatment then another 3 months to see a Consultant.

392987 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #559 of 1931 🔗

Just remembered sth I saw in spring from a German doctor who works in Bolivia who has developed a miracle treatment for covid. something relating to reduce inflammation, I think. Great success in Bolivia.

393020 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Silke David, #560 of 1931 🔗

Aspirin stops clots, inflammation keeps temperature down. Age old remedy. Cheap at £1 for 30.

392833 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 18, #561 of 1931 🔗

DT reporting that Sturgid is to announce the return of Scottish schools, with the Demon Dentist qualifying this by recommending this will only be younger pupils in the first instance. Announcement at 2.30.

Meanwhile I heard from a friend (not particularly interested in lockdown matters generally) that a family member in England who is a school bus driver has been told by employers to be ready to return to work with 48 hours notice.

Hoping that this all means some hope for our children. I wonder if all the publicity around harms to children in the last few days has finally had an impact.

392848 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, 24, #562 of 1931 🔗

Doubt it. Our governments don’t give a shit about us. How people haven’t woke up to this reality yet is beyond me.

392858 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #563 of 1931 🔗

I wasn’t suggesting it was anything to do with caring about us! I think Sturgid wants to distract from her vaccine rollout embarrassment and Devi has suddenly started tweeting about the need to open schools. We know that Nickla does something and then Johnson follows 24 hours later. I don’t care why they do it if makes the lives of children (and parents) less desperate.

393604 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, #564 of 1931 🔗

Totally agree the abuse our children is experiening is unnacceptable. I also was directing it at the general population not yourself.

392880 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #565 of 1931 🔗

They do make strategic retreats if there is enough pressure

393321 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, #566 of 1931 🔗

Only to regroup and then hit us harder a little further down the road.

392979 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #567 of 1931 🔗

But they do care about bad publicity in the generally supine media. They must constantly scan it for any hint that the façade is cracking.

392854 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #569 of 1931 🔗

The strategy appears to be ‘Two steps forward, one step back’

Never do so much that you stir up too much opposition.

Tighten, relax. Tighten, relax.

…but always tighten more than you relax.

392910 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to rockoman, 5, #570 of 1931 🔗

“Tighten, relax. Tighten, relax”

Giving birth to the new world order.

393018 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 3, #571 of 1931 🔗

It’s the standard cycle of abuse intended to inculcate a sense of learned helplessness in the victims.

393055 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to rockoman, #572 of 1931 🔗

Princess Nut Nut again….

392870 ▶▶ Will, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #573 of 1931 🔗

Johnson has finally worked out than under promising is a better plan than over promising. They are managing the news agenda via Useful idiots to make it look like they are listening.

392876 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #574 of 1931 🔗

That’s really heartening to hear, let’s hope they deliver for our children sooner rather than later.

392909 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #575 of 1931 🔗

It would be good if even just primary schools could go back in full. It’s schools being closed that if find the worst and all the harms to children.

392939 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #576 of 1931 🔗

I wonder if all the publicity around harms to children in the last few days has finally had an impact.

Perhaps, I’m a little over cynical, but I don’t think thats how the Sturgeon mind, such as it is, would work.

392942 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #578 of 1931 🔗

“RoastMe”: He is a fucking roaster…

392860 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #579 of 1931 🔗

great hector drummond article

https://hectordrummond.com/2021/02/01/swedens-figures-do-show-that-lockdowns-are-a-crime/

Sweden did well. Modelling shows lockdowns kill more from covid and the data agrees

392912 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #580 of 1931 🔗

A good source for rebutting the fallacies about Sweden.

392865 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 66, #581 of 1931 🔗

So tens of thousands of Italian restaurants defy coronavirus restrictions to open en masse. A few weeks later, the government relaxes restrictions and allows them to open legally.

Mass civil disobedience. It works.

392881 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Scotty87, 19, #582 of 1931 🔗

If a critical mass of people and businesses just ignored all of this, it would go away, today.

392911 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Scotty87, 6, #583 of 1931 🔗

The Pizza bros have a long history of disobedience unlike the Brits

392920 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, 15, #584 of 1931 🔗

Agree. The response here was woeful. But …. while businesses here are frit, I think the customer response is turning a corner …

392944 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 7, #585 of 1931 🔗

I remember the old days when the Italians would throw out their Government every 6 months

392950 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, 12, #586 of 1931 🔗

I do have to wonder whether I have some continental blood in me somewhere. I have been very un-British in my response to this.

392980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to kh1485, 3, #587 of 1931 🔗

I’m a quarter Italian Maybe it is something to do with it!

393069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 2, #588 of 1931 🔗

What did the Romans ever do for us?

392971 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Scotty87, 3, #589 of 1931 🔗

Same in Austria.

393240 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Scotty87, 2, #590 of 1931 🔗

I really think it’s our one tiny glimmer of hope, without it we really are completely fucked – without it, within 5 years from now you and me and everyone we know will be dead. unfortunately, the signs of that small hope flickering to life in time are scant.

392872 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #591 of 1931 🔗

“We need to re-articulate why free speech matters, especially to young people.”  Inaya Folarin Iman.

As if modern uni-education could remotely prepare the Free Speech Champions Project to remotely understand what free speech is, let alone could/should be, within this most repressive of cultural/political/academic regimes?  The repressed educated classes become the new gatekeepers of societal free speech? Are you kidding?
Any (invariably middle class) group (including the FSU) or individual claiming to promote, protect, define or encourage free speech will only further proscribe it (wittingly or otherwise). “If you gotta ask what swing is, you’ll never know” , is often attributed to the late, great Duke Ellington. The same can be said about free speech .
Arguably free speech has effectively been dead for decades (even when applied to academics and experts, who avoid speaking out daily about destructive C19 regulations for fear of sanction). In short, we all say what our peers want us to say – or we risk forfeiting jobs and social status.
And given the draconian actions meted out against the living and dead for breaking unwritten woke-isms in the distant (and not so distant past), it is perhaps useful for all young people to understand that practising free speech in a cowardly repressive society such as that in the UK is an act of near lunacy , which will only end in tears and regret. In other words, keep it to yourself – or someone you REALLY know you can trust.

392992 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #592 of 1931 🔗

I agree, but I dare say the herd-like mentality, fashionable opinions and the ruining of dissenters has applied to academia throughout its history.

392878 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 18, #593 of 1931 🔗

Currently at work facilitating a pathetic GP virtual ward round.Cheeky twat had the nerve to ask me did I have my vaccine!…needless to say he didn’t like my response

392981 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #594 of 1931 🔗

What a flipping cheek! You should have asked if he was using adequate contraception.

393558 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Laura Suckling, #595 of 1931 🔗

Sadly, his parents weren`t.

392879 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, #596 of 1931 🔗

I’m sharing this email from my MP, she’s chosen to ignore 4 previous ones but I wasn’t aware we were employing 109 Government Ministers were you?

Thank you for contacting me about creating a Minister for Hospitality. The outbreak of Covid-19 had a significant impact on the economy and I recognise that the hospitality sector has been particularly affected. Limitations on opening hours and social distancing requirements have been difficult for many businesses and I understand that restricting the spread of the virus in a sector which exists to bring people together is challenging.
My ministerial colleagues have worked hard to support restaurants, bars and hotels throughout the outbreak. The includes the introduction of the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, the Coronavirus Business Interruption Loan scheme, the £3 billion reduction in VAT for hospitality businesses, the 100 per cent business rates relief for hospitality, retail and leisure businesses, the Retail, Hospitality and Leisure Business Grants Fund, the Small Business Grants Fund, the Bounce Back Loan scheme, the Job Support Scheme, the Local Restrictions Support Grant and the Eat Out to Help Out Scheme.
Government support for the hospitality sector involves several departments such as HM Treasury, the Ministry for Housing, Communities and Local Government, as well as the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport. The legal maximum number of paid ministers is 109 and this is set out in statute. A new position would require the elimination of another position and it is not clear which the petition proposes to remove.
While I understand the motivations behind the petition in highlighting the importance of the sector, I believe that the current approach has provided and continues to offer substantial support for the sector during these difficult times.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

392908 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #597 of 1931 🔗

A Minister for Hospitality? God help us. I don’t want this ‘help’ which, actually, doesn’t touch the sides of what we have lost. I want autonomy to make my own decisions and evaluate my own ‘risk’. What a complete and utter twat (s’cuse language).

392941 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 5, #598 of 1931 🔗

I was shocked to learn we were paying the wages of 109 Ministers!! I still haven’t got over that!

392946 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #599 of 1931 🔗

The late great Margaret Thatcher will be spinning in her grave……..

392886 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 30, #600 of 1931 🔗

If this was an actual pandemic (which we all know it isn’t) then the government would (should) be monitoring the situation every hour of every day. It would be fluid and you’d expect constant changes.

What they wouldn’t be doing is implementing restrictions and then picking an arbitrary date weeks or even months later at which they’ll see if they can be lifted.

It still baffles me how after nearly a year there are people who still can’t see what a load of absolute bollocks this is all.

392916 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hubes, 4, #601 of 1931 🔗

It is over a year. China reported the virus to the World Health Organisation in December 2019. The government decided on the advice of Valance and Whitty not to secure the borders and the virus arrived in January 2020.

392957 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #602 of 1931 🔗

Sars Cov-2 was already here in Nov 2019
A lot of people were sick at that time
nobody really noticed until it got into the care homes

392990 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #603 of 1931 🔗

Agreed. I used to work pre-pandemic on Canvey Island and many people there reported a wave of atypical flu/cold symptoms in late Feb / early March 2020 – after the pupils at one school had come back from a school skiing holiday in Italy. I believe I caught it off them. I’m quite convinced far more people have already had it than the Government can conceive – that alone makes SAGE’s models ridiculous.

392932 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Hubes, 5, #604 of 1931 🔗

You are quite right. This is something that I have pondered on too on and off over the last few months. The gov use the analogy of being at war but a war is a 24/7 effort from combatants. War doesn’t let up at weekends yet since the beginning of this we have seen reduced reporting at weekends evidenced by drops in “cases”, “deaths” and “tests” being reported.

393085 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Hubes, 11, #605 of 1931 🔗

Virtually every pandemic in history, the government tries to reassure the public and avoid spreading panic. For Covid, it’s the exact opposite.

392893 Julian, 10, #606 of 1931 🔗

Not sure if they are worried. Other than about losing control of the narrative.

392895 Charlie Blue, #607 of 1931 🔗

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392899 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 28, #608 of 1931 🔗

Just been thinking about the wisdom of ‘double masking’ and in some cases it might actually make sense. For example, with very few exceptions, all our politicians are two-faced, so two masks are quite in order for them. Then again, the vast majority of them talk out of their arses, so maybe two isn’t enough?

392933 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Old Bill, 4, #609 of 1931 🔗

Simple – two masks plus airtight anal plug.

392934 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Old Bill, 4, #610 of 1931 🔗

Your first line had me going there. I was just about to sharpen my axe. 😂 😂

392952 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Old Bill, 1, #611 of 1931 🔗

Haha like it

392904 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #612 of 1931 🔗

Video interview with …….. Sadiq Khan confirming that he is an alley to BLM despite them wanting to defend the police

London deserves better

https://twitter.com/prwhittle/status/1356555278364401664

393061 ▶▶ mj, replying to Victoria, #613 of 1931 🔗

i think you meant “defund the police” – a fundamental error. No one want to defend the police

393156 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mj, #614 of 1931 🔗

Ahh yes typo

392905 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #615 of 1931 🔗

Using ONS data If you average 2019 & 2020 and compare it to 2017 & 2018, also 2015 & 2016, you get a very interesting chart. It really illustrates the ‘dry tinder’ debate.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional?s=03

392962 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, #616 of 1931 🔗

Now this is interesting but still, they go on falsifying the stats and the figures for their own end.

392991 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #617 of 1931 🔗

Very good. Yesterday evening rokoman posted 2020 death stats for Italy which were a mere 5k or so up on 2019 despite around 80k deaths labelled covid. I can’t find the raw data myself but quite amazing if correct.

393035 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #618 of 1931 🔗

Yes. Taking the double-year period back to 1993, I found that this led to a remarkable degree of curve-smoothing in the trend line – far more than a moving average, with the trend showing a remarkably regular sine-wave pattern.

It’s what alerted me to the ‘dry tinder’ factor at the time of the April spike.

392913 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 39, #619 of 1931 🔗

The latest piece of fearmongering horseshit from my district council has just dropped through my letter box:

“Case are rising rapidly in the district”. No they are not; in a district of a little over 80k people and looking back over the govs own figure for the district “cases” have bobbled along for the most part at less than 20 per day. There was a peak of mid sixty’s on the 12th Jan which fell away rapidly to mid to low teens again.

I just ran the figures through Excel and it turns out that since the 12 March the Median = 3 and the Mean = 7. Yes just 7 people on average have tested positive from March last year and this is what we shut the economy down for?

The bull sheet then continues the meme that “1 in 3 have the virus and don’t know it”.

Fuck ’em, fuck ’em all for the fearmongering shit that they spout.

392927 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 8, #620 of 1931 🔗

The lies would shame Comical Ali.

393013 ▶▶ alw, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #621 of 1931 🔗

Here in in the Socialist paradise of Camden as well. Enjoy my daily constitutional turning the placards on lampposts round so can’t be seen by public.Quite cathartic.

393208 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #622 of 1931 🔗

you should annotate it with your comments and send it back. remind them that their Nuremberg trial date will come.

393300 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to JaneHarry, #623 of 1931 🔗

I did think about that but then I realised that life is too short 😉 and I really couldn’t be arsed.

392949 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Victoria, 3, #625 of 1931 🔗

Haha that’s funny

392935 assoc, replying to assoc, 2, #626 of 1931 🔗

Why the great panic about the SA variant? Are they worried about what effect it might have on those who have already been jabbed?

392940 ▶▶ Julian, replying to assoc, 22, #627 of 1931 🔗

Variants are the perfect excuse to keep this shit going forever

392948 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Julian, 5, #628 of 1931 🔗

agreed…it so blatantly obvious now this is going to dragged on for YEARS…just like Brexit was….I predict another 3 or 4 years of this before we even start getting rid of masks/anti socal distancing etc………

392968 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #629 of 1931 🔗

If it goes on 3/4 years then it will go on forever – at least for decades. This summer is our last chance before the new normal becomes inextricably embedded

392984 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #630 of 1931 🔗

Yep… it’s scheduled to end in 2024 just when election campaigning begins.

393131 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #631 of 1931 🔗

…by which time we won’t have any economy, civilisation, or most likely, even population

392937 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #632 of 1931 🔗

Seniors Dying After COVID Vaccine Labeled as Natural Causes

  • Around the world, reports are pouring in of people dying shortly after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. In many cases, they die suddenly within hours of getting the shot. In others, death occurs within the span of a couple of weeks
  • Ironically, when seniors die before vaccination, it’s due to COVID-19 and something must be done to prevent it, but when they die after vaccination, they die of natural causes and no preventive action is necessary
  • Aside from sudden death, examples of side effects include persistent malaise and extreme exhaustion, severe allergic, including anaphylactic reactions, multisystem inflammatory syndrome, psychological disturbances, seizures, convulsions and paralysis, including Bell’s Palsy

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/02/covid-vaccine-death-seniors.aspx

392943 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #633 of 1931 🔗

Page 2

Massive Amounts of Serious Side Effects Emerging

One pregnant woman reported spontaneous rupture of the amniotic sac resulting in premature delivery.

Another woman’s baby was found to have no heartbeat two days after her vaccination and was delivered stillborn.

 Several describe effects suggesting vascular problems, such as skin blotchiness and fingers turning blue.

393126 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Victoria, 4, #634 of 1931 🔗

I can’t believe any pregnant woman could be so misguided as to inject this filth in her body. it is horrific.

392947 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #635 of 1931 🔗

How many scary variants is it now? Any bets on how many it’ll be tomorrow? They’ll run out of places to name them after soon and we’ll have the Atlantis and Middle Earth variants next.

392978 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #636 of 1931 🔗

The virus is an RNA virus, which means it produces variants every time it is copied. In other words, there must be trillions upon trillions of variants already.

392994 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #637 of 1931 🔗

Surely trillions upon trillions of variants cannot possibly withstand the awesome power of hazard tape and one way systems in Morrisons!?

392983 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #638 of 1931 🔗

Well..I hear the Mordor Covid strain is really dangerous. Only the Elrond vaccine works against it.

393128 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #639 of 1931 🔗

I’m looking forward to the Cthulhu variant.

393048 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #640 of 1931 🔗

The more the merrier! 🙂

393078 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #641 of 1931 🔗

We’ve had a South American variant and an African one, so my money’s on the next one being an Asian one. Trouble is there’s not too many Asian nations with high Covid levels. I’ll go for the Iranian variant being the next one, it gets bonus points for being able to blame it on those evil mullahs.

392953 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #642 of 1931 🔗

Catte Black has posted a lovely parable on OFF-Guardian : A kind of mediaeval story about the murderous mendacity of the leaders and the willingness of the people to do anything, wear anything, destroy anything to ward off the plague (of locusts in this case) and with just one lone person speaking out against the tyranny/lunacy:

I spotted this commen t which I thought was very apposite:

Gandhi’s favourite song was one written by Tagore:

Walking Alone

If they answer not to thy call walk alone,
If they are afraid and cower mutely facing the wall ,
O thou unlucky one,
open thy mind and speak out alone.
If they turn away, and desert you when crossing the wilderness,
O thou unlucky one,
trample the thorns under thy tread,
and along the blood-lined track travel alone
If they do not hold up the light when the night is troubled with storm,
O thou unlucky one,
with the thunder flame of pain ignite thy own heart
and let it burn alone.

(Translation from the Bengali by Tagore himself)

MW

394176 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #643 of 1931 🔗

This poem is beautiful. Thanks Miriam.

392955 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #644 of 1931 🔗

“AstraZeneca vaccine not to be used on elderly in Poland, in break with EU, Poland will not be giving the AstraZeneca vaccine to elderly people in the country, the prime minister’s top aide has announced.”

As did Germany. And the Pfizer seems pretty hard on the same demographic, as Norway have found out. Also the US have advised pregnant women not to get the Moderna version.

393070 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #645 of 1931 🔗

So basically the vaccines are too dangerous to give to the largest vulnerable group in society. You couldn’t make this stuff up…

393158 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #646 of 1931 🔗

Sweden’s Public Health Authorities recommended that AstraZeneca’s vaccine should not be given to persons over 65 due to lack of efficiency in this age group.

https://omni.se/astra-zenecas-vaccin-rekommenderas-inte-till-personer-over-65-ar/a/yR8oa2

393216 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to swedenborg, 1, #647 of 1931 🔗

So one of the vaccines is not effective in older people and another seems to be actually killing off old people. And these vaccines are supposed to help?

392956 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 12, #648 of 1931 🔗

I predict that the Free Speech Champions Project will prove to be a paper tiger when confronted by a whole myriad of topics. Lockdown. Vaccines. The NHS. Gender and the sacrificing of women’s spaces (and sports) to men in dresses. Climate change. The Bell Curve. The assertion that ‘Islam is right about women’.

Prove me wrong, Inaya Folarin Iman.

392986 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to AidanR, #649 of 1931 🔗

I was thinking exactly that as I read about it.

392958 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #650 of 1931 🔗

The Great Reset and Build Back Better
Even Food Will Be Affected
For those who control resources like food, power is limitless, and control of the food supply is also part of “building back better.” WEF has partnered with the EAT Forum, which will set the political agenda for global food production. The EAT Forum was cofounded by the Wellcome Trust, which in turn was established with the financial help of GlaxoSmithKline.

EAT collaborates with nearly 40 city governments across Africa, Europe, Asia, North and South America and Australia, and maintains close relationships with imitation meat companies such as Impossible Foods, which was co-funded by Google, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates.

Bill Gates, by the way, owns more farmland in the U.S. than any other private farmer, having purchased a total of 242,000 acres — much of it considered some of the richest soil in the country — in the past few years. Gates is also a supporter of The Great Reset, which is curious since his massive accumulation of wealth and land is the opposite of what the Great Reset promotes.

In truth, wealthy technocrats will not redistribute their own wealth during the reset, but will only continue to grow their financial empires as the rest of the world consents to giving up their privacy and ownership of all property.

EAT developed a “Planetary Health Diet” that is designed to be applied to the global population and entails cutting meat and dairy intake by up to 90%, replacing it largely with foods made in laboratories, along with cereals and oil.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/02/the-great-reset-and-build-back-better.aspx

393101 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, 2, #651 of 1931 🔗

Of course laboratory and modified foods excludes the liitle suppliers from the equaton, meanimg those who own the manufacturing labs corner the market then raise prices to extract even more for themselves.

392960 PastImperfect, #652 of 1931 🔗
392961 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #653 of 1931 🔗

According to the Guardian, Long Covid symptoms are similar to those experienced by Ebola survivors!

Well I know which one I’d rather take a chance with…

392963 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #654 of 1931 🔗

Exactly the same as long Influenza
or long glandular fever
or long any bloody virus that hangs around for months

394112 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, #655 of 1931 🔗

Same as too many long island iced teas.

392969 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #656 of 1931 🔗

Didn’t realise there is such a large public sector employing middle-aged metropolitan women in regions with Ebola outbreaks.

394115 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, #657 of 1931 🔗

You just described most of London?

393008 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #658 of 1931 🔗

The question is is there such a thing as Asymptomatic Ebola!!

392965 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 79, #659 of 1931 🔗

‘If you live in one of these postcodes where we’re sending in enhanced testing, then it’s imperative that you stay at home. And that you get a test, even if you don’t have symptoms.

This is so important so that we can break the chains of transmission of this new variant. And we’ve got to bring this virus to heel.’

(The conceited school prefect Hancock)

Utter hubris. They are locking up millions upon millions of healthy people ‘just in case’ they’re asymptomatic and ‘silent spreaders’ of a virus SO deadly that they have to send in search teams to people’s homes to find it and, I can’t believe I’m quoting this, ‘bring [it] to heel’! Oh my. You heroes. You knights in shining armour! You conquerers of viruses!

Hancock and Johnson are the most arrogant, inept, out-of-their-depth sociopaths I have ever seen in government. And I’ve lived through the Blair years. The pride and the self-assured hubris could not be more out of place and embarrassing. These two lunatics need to be taken out of office. Full Stop.

Don’t open your doors to these people.

392970 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #660 of 1931 🔗

Agree.

They might even cart those that tested ‘positive’ off to secret laboratories so that these people can be prodded, monitored and undergo further testing

392976 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #661 of 1931 🔗

you didnt live through the Wilson Callaghan Heath years etc!!!!!?…..jeepers…

392977 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #662 of 1931 🔗

I don’t open the door anyway to anyone that doesn’t know the secret knock
Non payment of BBC tax since 2005

392985 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #663 of 1931 🔗

you dont have to pay the Licence Fee?…you just fill in the form and tell them you dont access the TV/BBC etc….I did.They left me alone?

393436 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Luckyharry69, #664 of 1931 🔗

Me too.

393190 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #665 of 1931 🔗

The media are suggesting they are posting test kits through letter boxes, not knocking on doors. How do they know how many live there? In my case I have a small letter box so it no doubt wouldn’t go through so they would handily put it on top of my wheelie bin to make it easier for me!

392982 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #666 of 1931 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

392996 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #667 of 1931 🔗

They can stuff their test where the sun down shine, oh hold on, Chinese test does just that!. I have just had a message from my brother and I am still trying to get over the trauma, he ended it with “stay safe”. Before this bollox started nobody ever used that. I have a stay sane badge but it is not big enough for most people to read on passing, I want one the size of a dinner plate.

393123 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Hellonearth, 5, #668 of 1931 🔗

My ex responds to ‘stay safe’ with ‘live long and prosper.’

393740 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #669 of 1931 🔗

“I can’t answer the door, you might give me it.”

392967 NickR, replying to NickR, 15, #670 of 1931 🔗

Good news! If you project the ONS data on age standardised mortality for the UK into the future we will reach immortality by 2073.

393005 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, #671 of 1931 🔗

What a thought!

393066 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #672 of 1931 🔗

Yes – all the nonsense about mortality figures promulgated by the Panic Brigade has been based on using the low level of mortality over the past ten years as a baseline – and the fact that the downward historical curve has flattened.

Your reductio ad absurdum well illustrates the nonsense of brainless projections.

Actually if you project a more realistic trend line (and I don’t recommend it as gospel), we are quite likely to be into a longer period of somewhat increasing mortality, of which 2020 is an unexceptional part. The upward trend actually started back in about 2011.

393091 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to NickR, 2, #673 of 1931 🔗

Makes me think back to the very last series of Torchwood (The Dr Who spin-off) for the non sci fi fans. The premise of the entire series was the the lead character Jack Harkness was granted his wish of mortality, but it came at a price. The entire human population became immortal overnight. Nobody ever died, regardless of illness or injury. It was an extremely thought provoking series which dealt with the morality of how to deal with those no longer able to fend for themselves, but a danger to others through illness.

393120 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #674 of 1931 🔗

I remember that, it was very good, even people who had been mashed up in car accidents (sorry) and scraped into body bags were still conscious. The world was desperate for death by the end (annoyingly I can’t remember how it ended).

393169 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #675 of 1931 🔗

as shown by the tv listings for Sky Comedy, today is Groundhog day. In the film, Phil Conner, who had to live the same day again and again ended up trying to kill himself in so many ways but would always wake up in the morning.
Of course had their been covid around he would of have sadlidied. (but then Punxsutawney Phil , the Groundhog, would not have been allowed to leave his hutch)

392975 Caramel, 20, #676 of 1931 🔗

‘If we had listened to people like Devi Sridhar then we’d be like NZ and not have to keep locking down’.

Listening to people like Devi Sridhar is a reason why lockdowns keep happening!

392989 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 8, #677 of 1931 🔗

My country is keeping its borders shut for another year and we still have thousands of people who are stranded overseas and then people who can’t leave the country.

A friend of mine called not being able to travel a ‘first world problem’.

392993 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caramel, 12, #678 of 1931 🔗

A friend of mine called not being able to travel a ‘first world problem’.”

Well I suppose compared to other problems it is (though try telling that to someone who is separated from their loved ones at present)

But it’s an utterly stupid argument and easily demolished

I mean, the govt could send people round to smash your television for no good reason and you could call not being able to watch TV a first world problem, but you might still object strongly to them doing it….

393147 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 2, #679 of 1931 🔗

What about children not being able to play with their friends, let alone go to school, is that a first world problem?

393028 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Caramel, 9, #680 of 1931 🔗

Most people who work outside their homelands are from places like: the Philippines and Bangladesh.

Yes – even people from Third World countries like to occasionally see their families.

Third World countries also have real diseases like malaria and childhood pnemonia.

If a disease which kills virtually only people who have already exceeded their country’s life expectancy and already have one foot in the grave is not a First World Problem, then I don’t know what is,

Tell your friend that.

393040 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Caramel, 7, #681 of 1931 🔗

“A friend of mine called not being able to travel a ‘first world problem’.”

Was your friend directly quoting East German leader Erich Honecker?

Or just paraphrasing?

393114 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Caramel, 4, #682 of 1931 🔗

I am hopeful that the poorer nations, who can’t afford a lockdown, will lead us out of this when it becomes apparent that it’s not Armageddon.

393153 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Caramel, 2, #683 of 1931 🔗

… or children where parents live in different countries. tell a 6 year old why they can’t see Daddy every month

393241 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Caramel, 4, #684 of 1931 🔗

‘A first world problem’

Tell that to the people in the third-world who rely on travellers coming to their countries to keep some semblance of an economy running… with no other options to fall back on except poverty and starvation.

393737 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to bucky99, 1, #685 of 1931 🔗

Excellent point.

392995 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 13, #686 of 1931 🔗

This is what I believe the virus mutations mean. Many of you will have worked this out long ago.

1.      Mutants drive the “need” for more testing giving more “cases”
2.      They ensure that restrictions will be ongoing, reacting to each new mutant.
3.      Mutants help tighten “quarantine” rules moving step by step towards zero covidism. Travel what travel?
4.      They also reduce the effectiveness of the “vaccines”
5.      Therefore vaccine “boosters” will be needed on a regular basis – aka pharma “profit boosters”.
6.      A higher level of “herd immunity” will be needed (90% as opposed to 60-70%?) before any normality can return.
7.      Therefore, more people will need to be jabbed to reach a higher threshold – i.e. young adults, children, and pregnant women – anything that breathes.
8.      Refusing the “vaccine” will become harder over time. Refuseniks will be increasingly targeted.
9.      Any new mutant will bring instant lockdown panic and further oppression.
10.  The W.H.O. will only declare the pandemic over when every person on the planet is a walking chemical sewer.

In short, mutants guarantee the “light at the end of the tunnel” drifts ever outwards. I hope I’ve got this wrong and, personally, I will resist to the end, but………
Take a look at what is already happening in Israel covering most of the points above. It’s terrifying.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-will-have-to-live-with-covid-19-for-a-long-time-says-israeli-expert/

393007 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), replying to godowneasy, 16, #687 of 1931 🔗

We will have to live with COVID-19 for a long time, says Israeli expert

Problem is that no-one is living with it. They are living in fear of it and hiding away from it as a direct result of the propaganda and MSM.

393044 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 6, #688 of 1931 🔗

Exactly. ‘Living with it’ means getting on with life rather than cowering in abject terror.

393024 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to godowneasy, 2, #689 of 1931 🔗

According to that paragon of accuracy and objectivity Wikipedia, the United Nations currently recognises 193 sovereign states. They will be able to keep this up for a very long time. I’m surprised they haven’t invented an Evil Russian Mutation** yet- they must be saving that one for Ron.
** from Evil Russia, the source of all evil in this world (c).

393050 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #690 of 1931 🔗

Sovereign states.

Outside of the Globo-Borg I’d say only Russia and China are sovereign in the true sense of that word.,

393054 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 1, #691 of 1931 🔗

-and I’d agree with you.

392999 norwegian, 9, #692 of 1931 🔗

“Perth’s reign as arguably the safest city on the planet is over, after it recorded its first community-based COVID-19 infection in almost 300 days, with this single case triggering a severe and immediate lockdown.”

How did they record no cases in 300 days? Did they stop testing? Did they test but subtracted several % as false positives and end up on 0?

393002 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 51, #693 of 1931 🔗

Any fucker arriving at my door with a testing kit is going to be digesting it and shiting it out for the next month..

393092 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #694 of 1931 🔗

Good one !,I spat my coffee out laughing when I read that !,now I know what to suggest to them if they knock at our door.

393224 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Paul, 1, #695 of 1931 🔗

Better than any laxative.

393003 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 28, #696 of 1931 🔗

https://unherd.com/2020/07/swedens-anders-tegnell-judge-me-in-a-year/

‘Anders Tegnell – Judge me in a year’

you did pretty well!

393011 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 7, #697 of 1931 🔗

We do have a bit to go yet too, during which I expect Sweden’s relative position to improve still further.

393017 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 14, #698 of 1931 🔗

yes, and they have remained a free people – not sure how you put a price on that

393006 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #699 of 1931 🔗

Good afternoon everyone.

Email just received from my daughter’s Primary School regarding ‘Children’s Mental Health Week’.

I know they (the organisation not the school!) mean well and normally this sort of stuff wouldn’t really bother me, but right now it’s like a red rag to a bull. I just cannot bear the silver lining crap.

https://www.childrensmentalhealthweek.org.uk

Children’s Mental Health Week is taking place on 1-7 February 2021. This year’s theme is Express Yourself.

During lockdown with many children having to stay at home, the same principles apply. Of course it is harder all-round to stay calm, for both adults and children who are cooped up inside and not seeing friends. Try keeping clear routines, and both adults and children should try to engage in one each of PACE activities per day:

  • Physical – going outside, or even doing a Joe Wicks type video exercise at home together promotes well-being, releases endorphins and reduces cortisol and other stress hormones.
  • Achieve – doing something that leads to sense of achievement, be it for the child completing homework, or for the parent tidying a room. It is important to name the activity before and congratulate each other on getting it done.
  • Connect – planning and then chatting to somebody important, even if it is online. Yes it is not the same as being face-to-face but it does make everybody feel better.
  • Enjoyment – do something that you really like, and it doesn’t have to be virtuous, it could be eating a slice of your favourite cake! Again, celebrating that you have done it is important.
393009 ▶▶ FooledAgain, replying to SimonCook, 13, #700 of 1931 🔗

This really is patronising, obvious stuff, isn’t it! What we need for our mental wellbeing/mental health is to be able to go out again, to see family and friends, to engage in our normal lives.

393041 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to FooledAgain, 21, #701 of 1931 🔗

Exactly FooledAgain.

My son is nearly 13. He’s a talented little player in the youth setup at Wycombe Wanderers and literally, all he wants to do is train/play football for them and play football with his mates at school. He can’t do either.

No amount of watching movies, playing board games or baking with his mum will resolve the fact that he isn’t allowed to do what he lives for.

393105 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to SimonCook, 12, #702 of 1931 🔗

Just order him to ring his mates, meet up on a field and play football. The fat filth would never catch them if they turned up.

393016 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to SimonCook, 10, #703 of 1931 🔗

What a load of asinine crap.

393637 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to kh1485, 1, #704 of 1931 🔗

But it has a trendy acronym so it must be good!

393027 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SimonCook, 11, #705 of 1931 🔗

How can these organisations be so blind? It’s incredible. They have stood by, silent and presided over what is total CARNAGE of children’s mental health, despite the likely hood of AN EPIDEMIC of the suicides of young people they come out with this shit.

Fools.

393033 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SimonCook, 16, #706 of 1931 🔗

Tidying a room. OK, all worthwhile social life, arts, culture, joy and companionship, and the chances of finding someone to love again, have been destroyed.

But I can tidy a room.

Thanks.

393042 ▶▶ court, replying to SimonCook, 10, #707 of 1931 🔗

I think they’d get a letter from me. I have plenty of time on my hands so make myself a nuisance at my daughters school even though she’s attending currently. Ooooh they love me Mr Non Masker – to think they’ve got to put up with me for the next 10 years once both siblings have been through!

393086 ▶▶ Paul, replying to SimonCook, 6, #708 of 1931 🔗

Congratulate someone for tidying a room and celebrate eating a slice of cake,for f**k’s sake !,so that’s the height of human enjoyment we are being told to expect on clown planet from now on.

393179 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to SimonCook, 2, #709 of 1931 🔗

It’s this asinine crap that Suzanne Moore (with whom I rarely agree) rails against in the Telegraph today. And she’s right.

It’s tiresome, trivial, narcissistic, and it downplays the utter devastation that’s being wrought.

At best it’s like everyone’s been press-ganged into the Hare Krishnas.

Fuck happy-clappy denial.

But then, is it any surprise when the cathedral has been infantilising the population for 30 years?

393010 Nobody2021, 18, #710 of 1931 🔗

Viral prejudice is a thing:

UK and other pro lockdown places – We must do all we can to stop these variants

Sweden and other more open places – We have no problem with diversity

393014 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 19, #711 of 1931 🔗

Apologies if already posted

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9213287/Testing-single-case-South-African-variant-80-000-Britons-starts-TODAY.html

Families in South African variant postcodes urged to ‘think twice’ before going out to buy FOOD as SAGE experts warn outbreak of 11 cases with no travel links is ‘tip of the iceberg’ and door-to-door testing of 80,000 Britons won’t stop it spreading

Fear mongering cunts.

393022 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 6, #712 of 1931 🔗

It doesn’t matter how many times I think about it. I still need to eat.

393032 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, 11, #713 of 1931 🔗

Surely door to door testing will spread the virus from door to door.

393039 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to thinkaboutit, 10, #714 of 1931 🔗

There you go again with your “logic.”

393139 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to stefarm, 5, #715 of 1931 🔗

The point is NOTHING will stop it spreading now it is endemic.

393015 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 9, #716 of 1931 🔗

The variants and mutations are all about ensuring continued good testing business, revolving vaccinations, perennial masking and curtailing freedoms for good. Nothing else.
Thinking that they can be contained and suppressed is even more ludicrous, childish, naive and unscientific at this stage than arguing or going for zero Covid, as demonstrated by Perth now too.
And hotel quarantines in Britain are the epitome of a senseless and cruel revocation of freedom and rights for nothing in return- freight traffic by trucks is a huge difference compared to OZ/NZ here and that alone will ensure this policy’s failure.

But again, we are now f*cked and the majority now deserves to be.
This can and will now only end when the money has run out and the major currencies have collapsed and reset.
On the bright side, all the lockdown supporting civil servants, policemen, teachers, doctors, pensioners and politicians will then be in the poorhouse again for about a generation, see Germany 1945-1975.
All we can do now is try to safeguard our assets, keep a low profile, hope we can escape vaccination or chose the Novavax one when it’s our turn.
The only thing that can speed up the end of these regimes is mass deaths through the ‘vaccinations’, but I am pretty sure we shouldn’t root for that, not just because of the tragedies, but also because of the dystopian real life consequences for us survivors then.

393043 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JayBee, #717 of 1931 🔗

Is novovax a traditional vac?

393727 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #718 of 1931 🔗

“NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells. It can neither cause COVID-19 nor can it replicate, is stable at 2°C to 8°C (refrigerated) and is shipped in a ready-to-use liquid formulation that permits distribution using existing vaccine supply chain channels.”

Fake spike protein to bring out the antibodies. I’d still worry about ADE. Least it’s plugging up the Red Wall with syringes.

393065 ▶▶ isobar, replying to JayBee, 6, #719 of 1931 🔗

What about the just discovered Johnson/Hancock variant? Don’t need to test for it as the main symptom, non-stop verbal diarrhoea, is obvious.

393072 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to isobar, 3, #720 of 1931 🔗

You forgot ‘delirious rantings’

393090 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 1, #721 of 1931 🔗

Yes, forgot to mention pre-symptomatic phase!

393189 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to JayBee, 1, #722 of 1931 🔗

There is every possibility that the smug middle class public sector are going to get what they’re agitating for – good and hard.

393030 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to p02099003, 5, #724 of 1931 🔗

Childish propaganda.

393262 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #725 of 1931 🔗

At what point does the propaganda become so overblown that even supporters of the government see through it?

393025 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #726 of 1931 🔗

The Isle of Mann is now being championed as to how a circuit breaker should be done. The idea that a country of less than 100,000 can ever be compared to 70M is just ridiculous.

393049 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #727 of 1931 🔗

Of course it is. To put it in to perspective. 2019 Gatwick Airport average passengers PER DAY: 127,000.

Of course the zealots will ignore that while at the same time justifying that we couldn’t follow Sweden’s approach because we are “too different”. That’s the level of double-thinking irrationality that supports Covidianity.

393099 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Achilles, 2, #728 of 1931 🔗

Speaking of flying, I was just on a flight tracking site the other day and the skies are packed with aircraft.

What lockdown?

393053 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #729 of 1931 🔗

Its probably that water wheel thing they have, it keeps the air moving or something. Perhaps those boffins at SAGE could send out a team to investigate. It could just be the way out of this, waterwheels, EVERYWHERE.

393059 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #730 of 1931 🔗

Maybe we should cut the tails off all the cats in the UK to combat the new mutations?

393074 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #731 of 1931 🔗

OF COURSE cat tails…it all makes sense now

393188 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #732 of 1931 🔗

I’ve been to the IoM a few times and it’s to my eternal disappointment that I’ve never even seen one of these so-called Manx cats. I’m not convinced they even exist.

393720 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AidanR, #733 of 1931 🔗

They put fake tails on them in tourist season.

393747 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #734 of 1931 🔗

Sort of… strapped on??

393145 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #735 of 1931 🔗

I keep trying to tell people that I’ve managed zero covid in my house for months so it must be possible everywhere. Everyone seems to think I’m crazy.

393301 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #736 of 1931 🔗

There were 297 million arrivals and departures into UK airports in 2019. So 813,000 on average every single day.

393029 steve_w, 22, #737 of 1931 🔗

Lockdown is a crime against humanity

The models show it kills more of covid by slowing down the young getting immunity

‘Collateral’ deaths far exceed covid deaths – especially in QALYs

It is against all human rights

Never forgive, never forget

393036 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #738 of 1931 🔗

The Julius Reuchel article linked above says it all so perfectly, beautifully, eloquently. It is a long-ish read but totally worth it. I posted it on my FB page earlier. No comment, no like, no interest. Sigh!

393046 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #739 of 1931 🔗

It’s dispiriting isn’t it?

Edit: Read it myself now, magnificent.

394133 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, #740 of 1931 🔗

It might have been shadowbanned.

393038 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #741 of 1931 🔗
393045 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to arfurmo, 11, #742 of 1931 🔗

And the only deaths the article can come up with are those of a 98 and 99 year old. Beyond desperate.

393067 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 8, #743 of 1931 🔗

Crowded housing and deprivation were not typical of the many Jewish people that I lived among and worked with in London in the 80s and 90s.
A strong work ethic, strong community relationships and a keen eye for bullshit were.

393109 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to karenovirus, #744 of 1931 🔗

I’d agree with that generally but might the Ultra Orthodox (who are a pretty small minority of British Jews) be an exception? I understand their all out religious devotion means they sacrifice a lot of material wealth etc, but I’m happy to be proved wrong.

393081 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, #745 of 1931 🔗

Exactly what I posted on the article, but given it’s moderated, it never made it through.

394130 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #746 of 1931 🔗

Trollfest?

393047 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #747 of 1931 🔗

huh, anybody noticed this tweet in today’s LDS has gone down the memory hole?

https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/2757.svg A MUST WATCH https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/2757.svg pic.twitter.com/XEGuzYlp1c

— Missbutterfly (@MISSXBUTTERFLYX) January 31, 2021

393270 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Two-Six, #748 of 1931 🔗

Showing how to access nhs data excel sheets from their own website is far too dangerous.

393056 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #749 of 1931 🔗

Eurosurveillance have reportedly replied to a query about the outcome of the retraction request by saying “We have been working towards a resolution involving multiple parties and will communicate our decision in one of the regular forthcoming issues of the journal”.

Apparently one of the reviewers has conflict of interest due to financial/interest in PCR. Incredible – even if this world of lies and manipulation. More info tweeted by Kevin McKernan and Bobby Rajesh Malhotra.

393089 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #750 of 1931 🔗

Cheers Charlie.

Usually keep an eye on Kevin McKernan’s twitter but would have missed this but for you.

Let’s hope the pressure is kept on Eurosurveillance and drosten. As Bobby Rajesh Malhotra tweeted, Lawyers are ready to sue.

393107 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonny S., 3, #751 of 1931 🔗

I think it will come to that anyway, Jonny. I don’t believe there is any chance that the response will be anything other than a whitewash. The whole thing is just to big to fail. Hope I’m wrong, though.

393060 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 26, #752 of 1931 🔗

Am I missing something? Surely vaccine passports are predicated on the idea that vaccines help prevent transmission and yet the ones we have don’t do that they just claim to lessen seriousness of the disease for the vaccinated individual. So whether you’ve had the vaccine or not you are no greater or lesser threat to others. So why would you need proof of vaccination to go anywhere? Of course this is before you even get to the blatantly unethical abuse of basic human rights, but most people don’t seem to believe in those any more.

393063 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Achilles, 6, #753 of 1931 🔗

Hear hear well said

393071 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Achilles, 10, #754 of 1931 🔗

spot on

their logic is unravelling by the day and even a pretty dumb person can see through it?

If the vaccine doesnt offer a ‘cure’ or a ‘prevention’ then why have a certificate?

393075 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Achilles, 6, #755 of 1931 🔗

I guess various businesses are taking on a gamble on evidence emerging that jabs do lead to reduced transmission. Governments will probably line the pockets of those businesses on the same basis – after all there is a magic money tree now. It’s just another money-making scam.

393082 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #756 of 1931 🔗

Reports on R2 news yesterday of fake vaccination certificates being sold by criminals @£50.00 a pop.

393095 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #757 of 1931 🔗

Testing is an enormously profitable racket they will seek to perpetuate.

393093 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Achilles, 4, #758 of 1931 🔗

It’s a control mechanism.

Even if the tests weren’t fake, they would only be capable of confirming that you were not a source of viable virus at the instant the test was administered.

393094 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Achilles, 8, #759 of 1931 🔗

None of this makes sense. Life gets weirder by the day. I feel as if I’m living in a parallel universe.

393104 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Liz F, 6, #760 of 1931 🔗

I imagine this is how the French must have felt in 1940….and look how they collaborated and turned on their own people?…..

BUT we are the RESISTANCE?

393160 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Liz F, 1, #761 of 1931 🔗

Liz-

Go watch “The Hamburg Syndrome” (1979)

394123 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liz F, #762 of 1931 🔗

You are. You’re in the red pill version.

393713 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Achilles, #763 of 1931 🔗

Quite. The most you should get is an “I helped the NHS” badge.

393064 bebophaircut, 3, #764 of 1931 🔗

Have no fear, Holmes and Watson are on the case.

393073 Janette, replying to Janette, 17, #765 of 1931 🔗

If everbody who are now being asked to test at their doorsteps refused then surely this new mutant strain or whatever they are calling it would simply disappear???

393076 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Janette, 3, #766 of 1931 🔗

BBC R2 News midday, people living in areas identified as having the new variant are being ‘asked twice if they need to be exercising outdoors or going shopping’.

393083 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 13, #767 of 1931 🔗

The puppet masters are loosing their spell, we can see the strings now.
“Turn the dial up another notch Dave! They aren’t staying in any more!”

393247 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Two-Six, 4, #768 of 1931 🔗

Exactly what it is.

393149 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 11, #769 of 1931 🔗

…are being ‘asked twice if they need to be exercising outdoors or going shopping’

and are hopefully replying ‘Fuck off !’ and ‘Fuck off !’

393271 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to karenovirus, 4, #770 of 1931 🔗

Does this variant involve a loss of hearing then?

393079 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Janette, 3, #771 of 1931 🔗

I wonder if they will knock on people’s doors in a twenty story tower block?….

393711 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Luckyharry69, #772 of 1931 🔗

Not if the lifts are out.

393080 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Janette, 11, #773 of 1931 🔗

I suppose when people who have isolated for 4 months without seeing anyone get tested that if they test positive, it will be proof that the people going round doing the tests are the ones spreading it…

393841 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to captainbeefheart, #774 of 1931 🔗

At what PCR rate are these people being tested?

393087 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Janette, 18, #775 of 1931 🔗

Just had the misfortune to see a bit of the ITV lunchtime news. People being interviewed about the doorstep testing. One,healthy-looking, young woman respondes “well, I’m happy to doit. It is worrying!” WHY? WHY is it worrying to you? (sorry to shout). What on earth are you afraid of? Just want to reach into the TV and shake her until a couple of brain cells shake loose and spark off each other.

393134 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #776 of 1931 🔗

I know I totally agree. Why don’t these people listen to their own bodies. No symptoms. No illness!

393496 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Janette, 1, #777 of 1931 🔗

I’m waiting for the ‘Hancock’ variant; apparently it will cause blindness or hairy palms at the very least. 😉

394113 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, #778 of 1931 🔗

Or the refusers would disappear shortly afterwards?

393096 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 13, #779 of 1931 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-more-mutations-of-concern-found-in-bristol-and-liverpool-says-matt-hancock-12206523 and in more breaking news the tide is coming in at Berwick, North Shields, Saltburn , Grimsby and Great Yarmouth at the same time despite attempts to stop it locally .

393103 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to arfurmo, 3, #780 of 1931 🔗

Oh fuck off
(Not you arfurmo!)

393111 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to arfurmo, 5, #781 of 1931 🔗

Ah yes of course the GREAT YARMOUTH VARIANT!!!!!!…silly me wasnt expecting that!!!

393213 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #782 of 1931 🔗

Upper and Lower Slaughters variants?

393838 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Fingerache Philip, #783 of 1931 🔗

I visited the 2 Slaughters in 1976. Loved the Cotswolds.

393118 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 4, #784 of 1931 🔗

I am particularly concerned about the Swindon variant, it’s gonna be nasty.

393161 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to arfurmo, 5, #785 of 1931 🔗

mmmm strange other countries around the world are not finding these. Rather peculiar to the UK it looks like. They won’t give it up!

393181 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to arfurmo, 2, #786 of 1931 🔗

I have heard that as there are so many new strains spreading around, Handycock has announced a new policy to alleviate strain on public finances.
All politicians will refuse to accept any wages / public monies until UK is at zero Covid.

394110 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nessimmersion, #787 of 1931 🔗

In your dreams!

393206 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to arfurmo, 2, #788 of 1931 🔗

Not forgetting the VW Variant in Germany (I’ll get my coat…)

Actually, if they overdo the contagious new variant theme, it will eventually introduce more fatigue and cynicism, even in some of the ovines.
We will end up with hundreds of variants, and dozens of vaccines.
The early vaccine adopters will then rue their enthusiasm, and wished they’d waited for a mature saturated market to develop, from which they can pick and choose!
Maybe something like the Valneva traditional inactivated virus job (though it has the alum adjuvant)
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-secures-40m-more-doses-of-valneva-vaccine/

Or alternatively, stick with good old Vit D (‘guaranteed against 99.9% of household viruses’)

393097 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #789 of 1931 🔗

Zoe update

the winter cycle is as good as over

latest R=0.81

daily new symptomatics 22,000 (probably picking up some normal colds of which we expect 400,000 per day – as much as I like Zoe, we are getting down into its FP rate)

total currently ‘infectious’ about half peak but will carry on regardless because it lags R by 10 days or so

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

393246 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 1, #790 of 1931 🔗

Thanks for confirming the 2.2m April ZOE peak figure (I asked a couple of days ago).

I haven’t looked yet but I was wondering how consistent ZOE was with hospital/deaths figures. e.g Covid hospitalisation higher in winter than in spring despite peak only 40% of spring peak.

Problem is numbers under the curve, i.e. total cases could still be higher in winter due to extended ‘wave’.

393098 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #791 of 1931 🔗

Found this dated 27 Nov 2020.

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

Nothing we didn’t know but spread it around.

393117 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #792 of 1931 🔗

Pretty damning conclusion:

CONCLUSIONThe decision as to which test protocols are published and made widely available lies squarely in the hands of Eurosurveillance. A decision to recognise the errors apparent in the Corman-Drosten paper has the benefit to greatly minimise human cost and suffering going forward.

Is it not in the best interest of Eurosurveillance to retract this paper? Our conclusion is clear. In the face of all the tremendous PCR-protocol design flaws and errors described here, we conclude: There is not much of a choice left in the framework of scientific integrity and responsibility.

393100 Janette, replying to Janette, 11, #793 of 1931 🔗

My guess is that this new strain will gradually work its way around the country and so then they will be urging everyone to stay indoors and to police this they will have the army and police out checking what you are up to!

393142 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Janette, 3, #794 of 1931 🔗

I think that you are spot on, cue for more panic buying. Give it a week or so and anyone seen unloading Tesco bags from their car will be shot at dawn.

393148 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Janette, 5, #795 of 1931 🔗

Vernon Coleman and many others were saying that ages ago…..this is all planned

Johnson’s GREEN revolution………

393102 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 15, #796 of 1931 🔗

A walk in almost spring like weather (slightly) ruined by social distancing

Is there anything that can be done to encourage people not to swerve (assuming they don’t want to)? The weather was nicer today than it has been for a while, so there were more people out and about on my lunchtime stroll. I had people variously walking in the road and or walking through mud to avoid getting too close to me. It’s hard not to feel a bit offended that people are going to such lengths to avoid me. Some may be worried about germs but I think many are doing it out of misplaced politeness. I tried looking people in the eye as they approach but that seemed to make it worse. Saying hello and smiling as I pass seems like I’m approving of the swerve. I have thought of saying something like “no need to swerve on my account”. I do want avoid doing what the other side are do and be telling people what to do all the time.

393112 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan L, 11, #797 of 1931 🔗

I know somebody who is like a terrier, very aggressive for a short old lady, they actually GO AFTER swervers “it’s OK I’me not contagious!” they say manically as they advance towards them. It’s hilarious to watch but honestly she needs to be kept on a lead, and muzzled…

Perhaps try that approach.

393121 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Dan L, 5, #798 of 1931 🔗

Do they swerve for you or for them? Open county yesterday, back road with over a car distance between us and they guy approaching muzzled up. I despair. Or perhaps I have some sort of plague symbol on me?

393248 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to FenTyger, 2, #799 of 1931 🔗

They do the swerving. I just confidently carry on for the most part. I might stop for a second if it looks like they are about to walk off a cliff or in front of a bus! It’s a funny in a way because I used hate people crowding me for example at the super market checkout.

393702 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to FenTyger, #800 of 1931 🔗

For them. You’re just a biohazard stinking up the path.

393122 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Dan L, 4, #801 of 1931 🔗

we should all get T shirts made? a bit like Wham! and Frankie Goes to Hollywood 35 years ago?

“Choose Life”
“I’m your man”
“Frankie says relax”

“I am not diseased”….?

393259 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #802 of 1931 🔗

Yes I was wondering wearing something that indicated that I wasn’t too worried about social distancing. The depressing way things are going perhaps not wearing a mask outside will soon be sufficient.

393174 ▶▶ davews, replying to Dan L, 1, #803 of 1931 🔗

Well at least the first couple I passed on my walk in the park stepped aside and politely said ‘I think you are going a bit faster than us’. The next couple I passed I commented that I was not going to walk in the mud at the side and they laughed. So a relatively tame day as far as distancing is concerned. But when I got a bit further on I found the rangers who had been felling trees the other day had left a huge felled one right across the path and with my short legs it was a real struggle to get over it. Then I passed my friend I had spoken to earlier on my morning walk which sort of gave my transgression away – and took the car for its exercise this morning as well to rub it in…

393200 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to davews, 6, #804 of 1931 🔗

Running today. Road-crossers, head turners, maskers on approach of my diseased ridden self and an 80+ yr old with mask and walking stick…. straight into the middle of road without looking. That really hurt me tbh.
Well done government… youve fucked up more people in the head than you will ever know.

393699 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dan L, 1, #805 of 1931 🔗

My long way round to the market lunchtime walk was pretty positive. No swervers just a muzzled step-asider I totally blanked and a young woman “taking the air” around the park in a mask. A panicking muntjac on the path built up a little non-SDed crowd coaxing it to safety. The bakery stall guy was un-muzzled (unmasked sounds like some kind of Scooby Doo style denouement.) this time. The last hurrah before the Saffer Strain hits.

393106 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 9, #806 of 1931 🔗

That Institute for Government report referenced above is interesting.

Coronavirus: no going back to normal

It contains various truths that will be unpalatable to people here, so I’ll probably get lots of downvotes for saying so.

It confirms my suspicion all along that none of this shit is ever going away & we should just drive everything into the sea right now.

393113 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to AidanR, 10, #807 of 1931 🔗

“There will be new variants of coronavirus cropping up steadily. Some will be contained by existing vaccines, some by straightforward amendments to those; others, eventually, may not be. Mutation and rapid evolution to get around obstacles are in the nature of a virus. What, then, should we expect for life after this emergency? Governments are holding out the vision of a return to ‘normal life’ as the incentive for ‘one last heave’ of compliance with constraints, while they race to inoculate their people with the vaccines. That seems a mistake. The precautions that may have to be taken for a long time – perhaps for our lifetimes – against coronavirus and its variants will change the way people conduct their lives.”

It’s lies – not going to bother reading further. No need for these precautions – this is a complete take over.

393132 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to this is my username, 11, #808 of 1931 🔗

Well, they seem to be managing ok in Belarus.

393140 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to rockoman, 3, #809 of 1931 🔗

Yes they do.

393129 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to AidanR, 14, #810 of 1931 🔗

I think this is a very plausible summary of how things could be. However, the authors base their projections on a set of assumptions, not immutable truths. It doesn’t have to turn out this way but it probably will if we don’t all keep pushing back wherever we can.

I don’t expect life to be the same again. But I’m not going to just roll over and accept that the future has to be so bleak.

393151 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #811 of 1931 🔗

However, the authors base their projections on a set of assumptions, not immutable truths.”

Don’t they base their projections on a Big Lie – that covid is exceptional?

393171 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Julian, 3, #812 of 1931 🔗

Exactly!

393263 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #813 of 1931 🔗

Granted – it’s all assumptive, but given the assumptions, it wields truths.

As much as the assumptions make me angry, I think they are valid, given our governing elite and their incestuous relationship with transnationalists, lobbyists and big business.

393135 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, 2, #814 of 1931 🔗

Emigration to a sane country – if nothing else works.

393196 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to rockoman, #815 of 1931 🔗

Where?

393231 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mattghg, 4, #816 of 1931 🔗

Third World countries where very few people can afford the luxury of believing nonsense,

393251 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 2, #817 of 1931 🔗

How difficult is it to take up residence in Tanzania?

394093 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, #818 of 1931 🔗

Authored by yet another PPE graduate!

393108 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #819 of 1931 🔗

https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/19043790.coronavirus-outbreak-22-deaths-pemberley-house-care-home/

Nothing to see here, move along please.

Why use the term surveillance rather than monitoring?

393119 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #820 of 1931 🔗

Monitoring implies some kind of action or investigation, surveillance suggests staying at a distance and looking the other way.

393124 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to godowneasy, 3, #821 of 1931 🔗

Good point. That is what has happened, officials have simply declared there is no link and have not done any investigation.

393110 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #822 of 1931 🔗

looking back, how will we come to refer to 2020?

‘the great hysteria’

‘the covid panic’

‘the social media plague’

‘the Cnut effect’

‘the madness’

‘the terror’

‘the end of western liberalism’

‘the rise of the medico-industrial complex’

‘the year freedom died’

393115 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 4, #823 of 1931 🔗

Year Zero (Covid).

393137 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to steve_w, 10, #824 of 1931 🔗

Total shit – but not as bad as 2021.

393163 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to godowneasy, 4, #825 of 1931 🔗

Yep. At least we had a normal January and February in 2020 then 10 months of bullshit. 2021 is going to be 12 awful months.

393173 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to steve_w, 5, #826 of 1931 🔗

2020 The first wasted year. I’m very tempted to have a t-shirt printed with “2021 The second wasted year”. Trouble is I’d have to wear it when my wife wasn’t with me. The trials of living with a non-believer!

393199 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to dhpaul, 3, #827 of 1931 🔗

I feel for you. My wife is against lockdown but ‘doesn’t want to talk about it’ – she has switched off from it completely

393227 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #828 of 1931 🔗

‘doesn’t want to talk about it’

Denial.

394088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, #829 of 1931 🔗

Not necessarily.
If you don’t think there’s much you can do about it then talking about it just reinforces your sense of powerlessness.
Not so much denial as avoidance.

393175 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to steve_w, 1, #830 of 1931 🔗

The year you can’t write about, because no one will believe it.

393182 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 3, #831 of 1931 🔗

the year science lost

393183 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to steve_w, 3, #832 of 1931 🔗

I’m 100 years, BC and A.C. will only refer to Covid. Gotta feel sorry for that Jesus fella. Totally usurped by this new bullshit!

393252 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, 1, #833 of 1931 🔗

Year Zero of the Retarded Dystopia.

We are currently on 2nd Feburary 1RD.

393116 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 12, #834 of 1931 🔗

Well, it seems to be official, folks. ‘Gates: Normalcy Will Return Only With Second Generation of COVID-19 Vaccine’

Immediately supported in this twitter feed by senior German health official Lauterbach, who states that pandemic will not end in autumn 2021, but only after ‘Second Round’ of vaccination.

So, when the ‘vaccines’ turn out not to be so very effective as promised, that is not a reason to admit this was a daft policy to put all bets on in the first place. No, it is a reason to keep the show going until the ‘vaccine’ has been improved/adapted.

I wonder what the sheeple will make of it.

Though this be madness, yet there is method in it.

https://twitter.com/jens140180/status/1356259013252571137/photo/1

393130 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 8, #835 of 1931 🔗

Gates: Normalcy Will Return Only With Second Generation of COVID-19 Vaccine’

Wait for second generation? I think we should also expect a delay until the entire box set of 15 series is available.

393155 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 4, #836 of 1931 🔗

I bet you it returns more quickly in Sweden. And, isn’t it interesting that there hasn’t been a Swedish variant…

393168 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Will, 1, #837 of 1931 🔗

Not yet!

393187 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #838 of 1931 🔗

Normalcy is up there with the science.

393127 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 13, #839 of 1931 🔗

Surprised to hear Toby argue that Covid vaccines are effective on his London Calling podcast with James Delingpole. I would like him to explain the graph that I shared yesterday from UK Column, showing Covid deaths rising sharply amongst the vulnerable over 80’s group following the rollout of the vaccines.

Coincidence?

393159 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Scotty87, 5, #840 of 1931 🔗

They’re effective, it’s just a question of what things they’re effective at. Conferring immunity doesn’t seem to be one of them.

393178 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to leggy, 7, #841 of 1931 🔗

They are highly effective at driving groupthink hysteria and enforcing the end of liberal democracy, human rights and modern medical norms.

393250 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Scotty87, 1, #842 of 1931 🔗

The problem is that preaching caution on the vaccines has been made toxic, and this is by design.

The media have intentionally aired he opinions of people who want a re-match on the whole MMR battle, or who think 5G caused covid. This is so that anyone who voices concerns about the covid vaccines is associated with these cranks and charlatans.

Never you mind about the unprecedented speed with which these vaccines have been developed, ‘tested’ and rolled out, or the sneaky redefinition of ‘vaccine’, the indemnities for drug companies etc.

Delingpole doesn’t care though – he’s got a hide like a rhino after 20 years fighting a rear-guard against climate clowns – but Toby is altogether too fond of what he thinks of as ‘polite society’ to go slaying this particular sacred cow.

393266 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Scotty87, #843 of 1931 🔗

What normally happens at this time of year? We know there is usually a peak in January. You need to show that this cannot be explained by normal seasonal mortality.

The vaccines do seem to be effective for under 60s.

393272 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 2, #844 of 1931 🔗

The absolute risk reduction, even accepting the government/industry figures is minimal.

393299 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 2, #845 of 1931 🔗

Effective at what?

394082 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #846 of 1931 🔗

Seem??
And how would we know?

393277 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Scotty87, 2, #847 of 1931 🔗

The graph doesn’t show anything much except a lack of evidence for vaccine effectiveness.

393283 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #848 of 1931 🔗

UK Column sometimes tips over and falls into the confirmation bias trap of the Covidians. Which is a pity, given the good stuff they dig out.

393396 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 2, #849 of 1931 🔗

It’s not conclusive proof but this sudden spike in Covid-attributed deaths is not seen in Italy, France, Spain or Germany, all of which are lagging way behind the UK in terms of vaccinations.

393398 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 1, #850 of 1931 🔗

Vaccinations in the same nations:

393353 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Scotty87, #851 of 1931 🔗

Toby is a brave and honest man but because he is also a reasonable man who doesn’t seem to grasp that nearly everyone else in the bubble is a sycophantic liar he hasn’t realised that now he is also being manipulated. The Delingpole is closer to the truth.

393138 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 27, #852 of 1931 🔗

I’ve taken a break from the site for a couple of days, cos sometimes, the truth is a bit depressing. Just popped back in, and here’s my summary after a brief look (I’m probably late to the party):

There’s a new variant – no, really? It will provide an excuse for lots more testing, which will produce lots more ‘cases’ – especially if you test lots of people that don’t need testing. This will provide an excuse for more lockdown, as it is ‘found’ in more and more areas.

So, nowt new, then. Couple more ‘variants’ and then a fully fledged Emporor’s New Virus. You don’t need to be psychic, do you?

393166 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #853 of 1931 🔗

It’s worse. The Kent Variant has mutated, so it’s the variant of a variant that is the really scary part now.

393235 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #854 of 1931 🔗

Kent has been overrun by mutants for a long time now.

393309 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #855 of 1931 🔗

It used to be a Kentish Covid and now it is a Covid of Kent.

393679 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Bill, 1, #856 of 1931 🔗

Oh God it’s not crossed the Medway?!

393146 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 22, #857 of 1931 🔗

“The PCR test – considered the gold standard method worldwide -” ???

The one that the inventor said shouldn’t be used this way?
The one that DHSC said cannot detect the disease?

393193 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #858 of 1931 🔗

We’re stiiiiiilllllll waiting for Eurosurveillance to do the right thing…

393600 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #859 of 1931 🔗

I get the impression that Kary Mullis despaired of the way the PCR test is misunderstood. A bit like Erwin Schrodinger saying he wished he’d never mentioned that damned cat!

393818 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sam Vimes, #860 of 1931 🔗

Who claimed that it was the gold standard?

393150 Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 6, #861 of 1931 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

Am I right here?

393,050 total admissions ‘with’ Covid – 0.578% of the UK population over a period of 10 months

34,783 currently in hospital ‘with’ Covid – 0.05% of the population

3,832 currently on ventilation ‘with’ Covid – 0.005% of the population

Based on 68Mill population

393165 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 5, #862 of 1931 🔗

most should have stayed at home in bed or watching tv.

apart from the most serious cases, there’s not a lot they do for them. you’d recover quicker at home because food is better and you’d be less bored

393176 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 5, #863 of 1931 🔗

I doubt the 3,832 ‘on ventilation’ are on mechanical ventilation.
I suspect the majority are just occupying a ventilator equipped bed.
Or on low pressure, low volume ventilation, rather than invasive mechanical ventilation by intubation.
It’s just a scare stat.
If 3832 really are being intubated, it’s about as reprehensible as you can get, given everything that is now known.

393197 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #864 of 1931 🔗

yes, I think officially they are beds that have an oxygen line but most won’t be using it

393192 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 4, #865 of 1931 🔗

Just think .. if the government and MSM had given percentage figures rather than actual numbers no one would have noticed anything amiss.

393204 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 7, #866 of 1931 🔗

Are the figures really that high?

That’s scary.

Really really scary.

Right must buy 100 tins of beans, 240 toilet rolls lock myself in my house and get the neighbours arrested.

Must only watch the BBC.

Must only listen to Hancock.

Must stop living and slowly decompose to protect life.

393152 Janette, replying to Janette, 5, #867 of 1931 🔗

My guess was right. That naughty little mutant strain has found its way to Bristol and Liverpool according to the DM!

393167 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Janette, 8, #868 of 1931 🔗

Yup. I see that Jimmy Savile’s van driver just announced more door to door testing.

“Hello, we’re from the government and we’re here to help”

393186 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Janette, 7, #869 of 1931 🔗

Actually I think it’s worse than that, as according to handoncock “ We have also seen 11 cases of mutations of concern in Bristol and 32 in Liverpool, and are taking the same approach. In all these areas it is imperative that people must stay at home and only leave home where it is absolutely essential”

Note “mutations of concern” so doesn’t necessary mean the SA variant. This show could run and run with mutation of concern after mutation of concern. I think that this is a ‘zero covid’ strategy driven more by politics than public health.

393198 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to isobar, 5, #870 of 1931 🔗

There certainly is a strategy. Unfortunately, it does not concern a virus. ‘Zero Covid’ is bollocks; the virus is endemic. All viruses mutate and this is yet another very clever psyop which, as usual, is working well to keep most people terrified.

Back it up by knocking on people’s doors to shove a test kit in their face and – bingo! Loads more fear, loads more ‘cases’, loads more lock-down, loads more destruction of society. Sorted! MW

393229 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #871 of 1931 🔗

I bet they’re measuring compliance, not infections. The aim is probably not zero covid, it’s maximum compliance. Because the underlying lesson we must all learn is obedience to the authoritarian state, however arbitrary, irrational, immoral or unscientific its edicts are. This is the road to totalitarianism. What did that Jacinda Adern say? “We will continue to be your single source of truth.” All part of the same project.

393234 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Janette, 3, #872 of 1931 🔗

Panic on the streets of Bristol, panic on the streets of Liverpool….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMykYSQaG_c

394037 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, #873 of 1931 🔗

Ah those were the days – when jackets two sizes too big were the height of fashion!

393803 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Janette, #874 of 1931 🔗

Did it use GPS?

393162 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #875 of 1931 🔗

The City of Berlin has mandated the wearing of masks in private cars if someone from a second household is present . apart from the driver.

Link in German

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/live221095606/Corona-live-Berlin-beschliesst-Maskenpflicht-im-Auto.html

393164 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 4, #876 of 1931 🔗

Can they not just stop with the masks mandates. Advise that it’s best to wear one at all times, triple layered, but not mandate it.

It’s so obviously a mass experiment based on very thin maybe it works science

393170 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #877 of 1931 🔗

Its so thin its bloody transparent.
They cannot find any scientific evidence from anywhere in the world that the public wearing masks does anything to slow down viral transfer and there are multiple studies showing harm.

393191 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #878 of 1931 🔗

Bang right! Masks do not work, how many more studies need to be invoked? This sounds like yet another ‘in’ for the cops to harass people who have the temerity to leave their homes. MW

393195 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #879 of 1931 🔗

Bang on! Here is a link to a previously posted summary of the evidence. https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/20reasons/

393209 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), replying to rockoman, 2, #880 of 1931 🔗

Even if they are in the boot?

393912 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), #881 of 1931 🔗

Annoying for professional kidnappers!

393257 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to rockoman, #882 of 1931 🔗

Follow the money, somebody is getting rich(er) peddling* the bloody things.

*Are they mandated for cyclists yet?

393800 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to rockoman, #883 of 1931 🔗

No more car pooling in Germany.

393172 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #884 of 1931 🔗

So we are allowed to call it the “South African” strain and the “Brazilian” strain but not the “Wuhan” virus. Jeez, did SA and Brazil not invest enough in our infrastructure or something?! And while we are at it can someone send the mentally-challenged minister for health a memo… the mutation is called after the place it is found not because it physically CAME FROM there! Viruses mutate all the time, on their own. Border closures are ridiculous when a virus is endemic in a population. What the hell?! What sick and twisted game are you playing at?!?!?

393177 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #885 of 1931 🔗

They are BRICS nations – this could be anti-BRICS propaganda. China is anothr BRICS nation.

394030 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to this is my username, #886 of 1931 🔗

Excellent observation!

393184 Basics, 3, #887 of 1931 🔗

Quote –

More than half of Americans would refuse or postpone a coronavirus vaccination even if it were offered to them free of charge, according to polls.

Confidence in the vaccines, however, does appear to be inching up as they become available and more people know others who have received them.

The latest results of a monthly tracking project survey by the non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation showed there is still some way to go. Forty-one per cent of US adults said that when a Covid-19 vaccine approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration w

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-americans-would-refuse-coronavirus-jab-even-if-free-q38pnm9td

393194 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #888 of 1931 🔗

This is a good writeup on a feedback loop effect that has led us to where we are today. It aligns with my thinking that the first lockdown sealed our fate leading us down a path with no easy way back.

https://threader.app/thread/1356463197675544579

I want to document this abrupt shift in attitude because it’s clear we’re still in the throes of the manic feedback loop we fell into then. In less than two weeks in March, we shifted the ethical burden of the pandemic’s toll in way that thrust us all into moral panic.

From then on, all incentives – in media, culture, politics, the zeitgeist, anywhere and everywhere – were conditioned to encourage maximal concern and paranoia. The feedback loop – where my anxiety increases yours, and yours increases mine – took us to an escape velocity.

Facts and nuances about vaccines, transmission, immunity, relative risk, became –and still are – only relevant insofar as they align with the incentives of the feedback loop.

We are *still* in that doomloop (h/t @bergerbell), and we can’t break it. It’s why we can’t have honest conversations about schools, risk tolerance, cost/benefit, or any other reasonable point of discussion that was earnestly considered before March.

I don’t know how a mania breaks — it’s all depressing and overwhelming to think about — but I’m sure it includes understanding how it started. So that’s what I’ve got.

393205 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #889 of 1931 🔗

But if you read a lot of social media, msm, comments, people are just not fooled, they are out. It seems to be the media on the whole keeping the hysteria going. Just been out walking and it is busy, queues at the donut/coffee van, children in the playpark, no masks all unconcerned.

393214 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to DanClarke, 4, #890 of 1931 🔗

yep – absolurely.

In my opinion many of us here fall into thinking that support fir the madness is greater than it is.

393281 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to rockoman, 1, #891 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think so… I thin we can all see that outright lockdown cheerleaders are a minority, but also that the vast majority simply haven’t the nous or fortitude to reject the covid narrative outright. They’ve been fooled into seeing meek compliance as Pascal’s Wager – a no-lose situation.

393284 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to DanClarke, 2, #892 of 1931 🔗

Well yes, in some ways I’ve seen that too. Going to a local country house park to walk with my friend and her dog this morning there were more cars parked there than the last 2 weeks and heavier traffic getting there. We sat on a bench with our thermos of tea as usual. No interference and no dirty looks.
However there are still plenty of people masked up on their own in private cars or walking around the village. Fear is still very strong in some people and with it comes stupidity.

393795 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to WasSteph, #893 of 1931 🔗

Stupidity came first, then fear. Which begat more stupidity. And more fear.

393210 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #894 of 1931 🔗

I don’t know how a mania breaks”

The latest possible point is when it is no longer possible to finance”

When a madman runs out of money, he either becomes sane or he dies.

393201 Kat, replying to Kat, 4, #895 of 1931 🔗

Whenever the media build someone up, you know that in a very short time, that individual will be torn down again and treated like a pariah. I wonder, if after the adulation the NHS has received during the last year, the public will also turn on it, goaded by the msm.

393233 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Kat, #896 of 1931 🔗

Dream on… you’re more likely to find a news outlet willing to publish photos of the Queen on the throne than to criticise our divinely endowed NHS.

393238 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Kat, #897 of 1931 🔗

Especially if it happens to suit the government. Remember Stalin’s “assassins in white coats”?

393813 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bugle, #898 of 1931 🔗

Watch the Russian film from the early 90s, Burnt by the Sun.

393202 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #900 of 1931 🔗

Are the Covidists stupid, illogical,delusional,pig headed or a combination of all 4?
All over the world, the situation is that: whatever the level of lockdown was/is, the outcome is roughly the same, ie: very little discernable difference in infections and deaths; even in a single (admittedly large country, The USA) the difference between California and Florida who took completely different measures to Covid was very small.
Haven’t they heard of herd immunity?

393207 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #901 of 1931 🔗

They panicked into lockdown (Norwegian Health Minister) and to do anything else is to admit fault. Their own brains won’t let them believe an alternative. To go from believing you are a saint to a mass killer in 1 realisation would be too much. A Total Perspective Vortex. This is why we need a change in leadership – they will go to their graves thinking lockdown was right – their sense of self won’t allow an alternative.

This is why they hate Sweden – proof – right in front of their eyes that they are wrong

393215 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #902 of 1931 🔗

Boris will kick himself in future. His gut instinct to take it on the chin (and follow the science and the pandemic plan and WHO advice) was right. From potential good PM to the worst in history – in 1 decision.

393220 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to steve_w, 3, #903 of 1931 🔗

I don’t think he really cares!

393260 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 2, #904 of 1931 🔗

potential good PM”

I fell off my chair laughing at that one! He’s always been a lying, narcissistic bag of wind.

393265 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #905 of 1931 🔗

its not what he is but what he does

393338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #906 of 1931 🔗

but I agree with your major point

393782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, #907 of 1931 🔗

It’s the content of his character that needs fixing.

393226 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to steve_w, 3, #908 of 1931 🔗

Blair said after the catastrophe of Iraq, that he would be judged in heaven

393245 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to DanClarke, 7, #909 of 1931 🔗

he’ll be lucky

393350 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 5, #910 of 1931 🔗

Blair was already judged in Bow St Magistrates when he got caught cottaging

393219 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #911 of 1931 🔗

I think a lot of them are thoroughly enjoying it

393203 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 42, #912 of 1931 🔗

One of our group of sceptics has just been harassed by the rozzers for sitting on a bench in the town square. Rozzer asked if he was resting and told him she would give him “five minutes”. And they wonder why they are held in such contempt.

393217 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 15, #913 of 1931 🔗

Wish me and the Bro’s had been there..

393218 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 14, #914 of 1931 🔗

LOL. I’d point out it’s a public bench for the public to sit on. It does not have a parking meter attached and I’d sit for as long as I thought necessary. Being arrested for sitting on a park bench should make a good headline.

393221 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 2, #915 of 1931 🔗

Is it a law that you can’t sit on a bench, I know they started doing this at the beginning but were told to stop also nothing about how long.

393236 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 8, #916 of 1931 🔗

Well, in Weirdsville Saffron Walden, benches are for ‘essential use only’ so not really sure what his crime was. Another case of plod overreach and showing us who is boss.

393786 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 1, #917 of 1931 🔗

Soon they’ll put parking meters beside park benches.

393225 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 4, #918 of 1931 🔗

Do you know how many Fixed Penalty Notices issued by the police for allegedly breaching coronavirus regulations have been heard by a court?

393232 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #919 of 1931 🔗

Mmmm let me guess, none?

393256 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 6, #920 of 1931 🔗

I don’t know the numbers. Some have. A significant proportion of these failed. Of those that the court found the defendant guilty, a Crown Prosecution review resulted in many being overturned as being unlawful. However, some have been upheld by courts. These appear to have involved criminal activity, with the police just tacking on the coronavirus stuff. It seems that a large number of unpaid FPNs are never brought to court and simply expire after six months. All this information has been published in bits and pieces, here and there. As far as I know there hasn’t been a collation. I get the impression that the FPNs are simply intended to be a threat designed to frighten people into compliance.

393355 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #921 of 1931 🔗

Certainly what happened to the chap who was PCN’s and arrested for painting the lcoal pub as a favour back last July. They never laid papers before magistrates and it expired after six months.

I think he was looking forward to his day in court and insisting that he was addressed as former Chief Inspector.

393249 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 12, #922 of 1931 🔗

If I were him it would be tempting to go back tomorrow with a fold up chair and sit down next to the bench.

393267 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to stefarm, 3, #923 of 1931 🔗

Good one.

393255 ▶▶ Suet, replying to kh1485, 2, #924 of 1931 🔗

Write to your chief constable about it. If he agrees with it, you’ve lost nothing. If he doesn’t, then you have paper to show these planks.

393351 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kh1485, 3, #925 of 1931 🔗

It’s easy to harass and intimidate normal citizens.

Not so much the local drug gang.

394014 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #926 of 1931 🔗

Wow, your town town does seem to have more than its fair share of ultra-jobsworths.

393211 Bella Donna, 3, #927 of 1931 🔗
393212 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #928 of 1931 🔗

The lunatic named Hancock whipping up another frenzy, the postcode covid lottery.

393222 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 11, #929 of 1931 🔗

I said yesterday this will now get rolled out throuhout the country just like creeping tiers became lockdown. This shit is so predictable.

393228 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #930 of 1931 🔗

By shit I take it that you mean Hancock

393237 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to isobar, 2, #931 of 1931 🔗

I think that would be too polite to describe him.

393243 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #932 of 1931 🔗

Slowly slowly boily froggy.

393285 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #933 of 1931 🔗

They have all lost the plot. Better not come to my door

393223 ▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 2, #934 of 1931 🔗

I think that’s being uncharitable to lunatics, at least they have a brain!

394010 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), #936 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just had covid and didn’t experience anything like as bad as those scary symptoms described there.

393242 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 38, #937 of 1931 🔗

I haven’t read it but I assume the Telegraph story about Johnson pushing for schools to reopen has been seeded by the government to make it look like he’s fighting for us and is forced in to these decisions. Mr Johnson can I remind you that you are the PM you don’t have to push for anything. If you genuinely want schools open you can do it tomorrow. Unless you’re not actually in charge any more. Who is? SAGE?

393258 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Achilles, 4, #938 of 1931 🔗

Wee Jimmie is phasing open schools this month . Where St Nicola leads …

393273 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to arfurmo, 1, #939 of 1931 🔗

I suspected Wee Krankie was trying to out-do Boris on schools re-opening to hide the fact she’s behind the curve on vaccinations.

393278 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tiberius, 7, #940 of 1931 🔗

Or hide that she tried to get rid of Salmond with sexual assault charges and has been found out.

393776 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to arfurmo, #941 of 1931 🔗

The sheep will follow.

393999 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #942 of 1931 🔗

But will the kids all be nappied up and forced to eat their lunches in the pouring rain?

393352 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, #943 of 1931 🔗

Teachers unions?

393395 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Achilles, 2, #944 of 1931 🔗

Yes and the ting about not going into regional tiers means we’re all being locked down as long as the worst area.

393998 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, 1, #945 of 1931 🔗

It isn’t about who’s in charge. This is merely a good cop/bad cop psy-op.

393253 Allen, replying to Allen, 7, #946 of 1931 🔗

You can’t have a variant from something that doesn’t exist.

“Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”

~ Voltaire ~

This “pandemic” is by far the most laughably transparent psyop in history. If you cannot generate at least a modicum of curiosity or skepticism about the situation by now—over 10 months in—then you are basically an anchor on the human race, pulling it down into a genocidal abyss.

C19 is clinically undetectable as an independent disease.. CANNOT be distinguished from normal flu by any specific symptom or typical course..no conclusive evidence to support the claim that SARS-CoV2 causes disease or that it exists..THERE ARE NO VARIANTS.

Understanding the blanket scientific fraudulence of the late 19th century, which crowned ‘germ-theory’ and with it the power of the chemical-pharmaceutical industry is key to understanding what’s happening today.

Pick any so-called ‘infectious disease’, go through the history books and the ‘scientific’ literature, and all you will find are baseless epidemiological assumptions, wholesale failure to meet Koch’s postulates and massive scientific fraud.

And as long as germ theory goes un-examined, these people will fall for the same ploy again and again. They will accept more lockdowns, more toxic ‘cures’ and internment camps. Virology is nonsense. It is the eugenics of our time. Take the time to understand the alternatives.

393269 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Allen, 2, #947 of 1931 🔗

I agree.

However, I would add that as much as we may have doubts about germ theory, it is a step too far for most people.

We don’t need to take that step, however justified it is, in order to fight this war.

Your first few paragraphs before that were spot on.

393280 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Allen, #948 of 1931 🔗

What is your evidence that shows germ theory is false?

393312 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #949 of 1931 🔗

Research “terrain theory” and exosomes.

393405 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jinks, 2, #950 of 1931 🔗

I have only recently been exposed to this and I will do some more research. Dr. Thomas Cowan’s The Contagion Myth is something worth reading. He was on a Zoom call for Vaccine Choice Canada and was quite compelling. One example that got me thinking is scurvy. Back in the day it certainly appeared as if sailors were passing something to one another, but now we know it was lack of Vitamin C that caused the illness and not a virus. I suspect there are a lot more examples like this.

393540 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #951 of 1931 🔗

The “consensus” of germ theory itself is a complete fabrication as it was born out of political power- like all else. The prevailing ideas of a particular society are formed by the ruling class to express and justify their position. Germ theory is but one of a myriad examples. Gene theory is another example- complete and utter voodoo “science.”

Great comment earlier about the manipulation of language and Covid fraud BTW Steve.

Go here:

https://maximizedhealth.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Germ-vs-Terrain-Theory.pdf

https://truthseeker.se/wp-content/uploads/The-Virus-Misconception-Part-1-Measles-as-an-example-By-Dr-Stefan-Lanka.pdf

https://truth11.com/2020/12/14/terrain-theory-vs-germ-theory-rockefeller-boondoggle/

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/03/scientist-why-everything-you-learned-about-viruses-is-wrong/

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/notes-from-yesteryear/germ-theory-versus-terrain-the-wrong-side-won-the-day/

http://208.106.235.179/blog/index.php/all-natural-organic-whole-live-foods/the-scientific-undoing-of-germ-theory/

393541 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Steve Hayes, #952 of 1931 🔗

I have responded and the comment awaits approval as it has 5 links in it.

393315 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Allen, 2, #953 of 1931 🔗

There are Coronaviruses
Just because you think Sars Cov-2 may be a conflation of the others, along with adenoviruses and rhinoviruses doesn’t mean they don’t exist

393773 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Allen, 1, #954 of 1931 🔗

It has yet to be isolated. Or purified. That’s what I heard.

393261 zners, replying to zners, 5, #955 of 1931 🔗

Hold on. Isn’t there a Canadian whistleblower who said, I quote:
“Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021”.
So far his road map has been spot on

393322 ▶▶ jb12, replying to zners, 1, #956 of 1931 🔗

What third wave has there been?

393357 ▶▶▶ zners, replying to jb12, 1, #957 of 1931 🔗

well that’s the thing. With the excuse now to mass test around Surrey and Kent they’ll have all the data they need to justify one

394121 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to zners, #958 of 1931 🔗

We are still in the same season as the nominal second wave.

393345 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to zners, 3, #959 of 1931 🔗

Well, Europe is talking about power rationing and blackouts which I believe were also in the Canadian plan.

393362 ▶▶▶ zners, replying to awildgoose, 4, #960 of 1931 🔗

honestly, I am backtesting this with absolute full attention. If there’s even a hint of UBI talk in March then this roadmap cannot be contested

393458 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to zners, 3, #961 of 1931 🔗

Here in the US it is obvious the stimmy payments are UBI in drag.

The rent and mortgage moratoriums are a slow grind into socialized housing – get your jab every week, test and trace, and we’ll let you stay in exchange for the rights to all your property.

393519 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to zners, 1, #962 of 1931 🔗

Was that before or after Biden’s win?

393264 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 21, #963 of 1931 🔗

If I had a Nissan Micra and started telling everybody it was a Ferrari, that doesn’t make it a Ferrari, and only a complete moron would believe it was a Ferrari.

Rebranding flu and Pneumonia deaths as Covid is equally as ridiculous and anybody who genuinely believes flu and Pneumonia deaths have reduced is a fool.

393268 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hubes, 11, #964 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just bought a Nissan Micra. 730bhp it’s got. And enough downforce to go upside down in tunnels.

393274 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AidanR, 6, #965 of 1931 🔗

Did you get that from Ferguson’s Motor Garage I seen something similar?

393763 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #966 of 1931 🔗

Actually I bought it from a woman called Karen.

393298 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Hubes, 4, #967 of 1931 🔗

But all other car makes have disappeared!

393437 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hubes, 7, #968 of 1931 🔗

My car is an Asymptomatic Aston Martin

393771 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Julian, #969 of 1931 🔗

Lucky you. Which model?

393275 Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 2, #970 of 1931 🔗

Global CFR currently 0.02%?

https://my-sgf.co.uk/home-page/charts/

393286 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 10, #971 of 1931 🔗

“PEOPLE POWER! AUSTRIA To REOPEN Shops And Schools / Hugo Talks”
Must watch. Police walk with protestors with helmets taken off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztv39uSLpbs

393293 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #972 of 1931 🔗

And Hugo’s take on the IOM (which I agree with).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny_rEweDQ4c

393287 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 4, #973 of 1931 🔗

Hancock et al please put on a dunce’s cap and face nappy and say three times after me:

So there was never any need to “protect the NHS” because it was doing fine
So there was never any need to “protect the NHS” because it was doing fine
So there was never any need to “protect the NHS” because it was doing fine

Was the NHS overrun by Covid during lockdown? | The Spectator

393303 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tony rattray, 2, #974 of 1931 🔗

I suspect this winter was the first one for decades that it hasn’t been.

393971 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #976 of 1931 🔗

“Surge testing” ? Gimme strength!!

393289 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 25, #977 of 1931 🔗

A quick shout-out for UPS. Just had a delivery, the driver had no mask and handed the parcel to me. Yay!

393311 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Biggles, 10, #978 of 1931 🔗

I get lots of deliveries, I haven’t seen a delivery driver in a mask (apart from Royal Mail) since spring. They realised pretty early on, through their own experience, that it was all bollocks.

393547 ▶▶▶ suitejb, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #979 of 1931 🔗

Me neither. Oil, calor gas, logs, Amazon delivery drivers. No masks and all happy to chat outside. Mind you we live in the countryside. They do things differently here.

393696 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to suitejb, #980 of 1931 🔗

When do they deliver? Thursdays and Saturdays? What have you got to lose?

393344 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Biggles, 2, #981 of 1931 🔗

My neighbourhood just had a probably 13 year old girl deliver Amazon. Train them early, I guess.

(Helping her Mum who looked pregnant.
But both wearing mnc, so hope she was just fat? )

393389 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Biggles, 5, #982 of 1931 🔗

Our UPS driver doesn’t wear a mask either. And he brings dog biscuits for my dogs!

393976 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to ituex, #983 of 1931 🔗

Given half a chance, our fedex driver will have his fag and go off on a giant rant about what a load of fucking bollox it all is.

393297 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 13, #985 of 1931 🔗

If David Icke said stuff like that he would be ridiculed

393766 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 1, #986 of 1931 🔗

Bill’s got more money and more clout than David. Look at Amazing Polly’s video from May 2020. She connects many dots in the global public health network and most of them lead from Bill and back to Bill. Honest injun.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/rONeHOkss0FG/

AmazingPolly

393292 DRW, replying to DRW, 9, #987 of 1931 🔗

Basically with the Kent mutant fear train out of steam the next phase is the South African
mutant. Guess the Nigerian and Brazilian ones didn’t get in quick enough. As ever, so contagious and deadly and virulent we need more testing to find it and keep the hysteria wheels on this shitshow.

I don’t share the optimism of some on here that we’re close to victory but I suppose it’s a plus that they have to throw more shit for it to stick given the noticeably lower compliance. Maybe I’m just clutching at wishfully thought straws.

393340 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DRW, 5, #988 of 1931 🔗

I do think they are clutching at straws.
You seem brighter. I loo forward to meeting you along the other in a certain park in Essex soon.

393530 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Silke David, #989 of 1931 🔗

I’m about average today but I often swing between that and bad.

393294 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #990 of 1931 🔗

Covid on Tour:

Parts of the W7 and W13 postcode areas in Hanwell and West Ealing in west London
Parts of the ME15 postcode area in Kent
Parts of the WS2 postcode area in Walsall in the West Midlands
Parts of the GU21 postcode area in Woking, Surrey
Parts of the PR9 postcode area in Southport
The CR4 postcode area around Pollards Hill in south London
Tottenham Hale in the N17 postcode area of north London
The EN10 postcode area in Broxbourne

The health secretary told the Commons: “We have also seen 11 cases of mutations of concern in Bristol and 32 in Liverpool, and are taking the same approach.

The South African Variant’s got it’s own motor; either that, or it’s delivering parcels for Amazon.

393308 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ceriain, 1, #991 of 1931 🔗

Or, and just a guess, they’re getting synthetic opioids delivered from I don’t know… China?

393733 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #992 of 1931 🔗

Pfizer’s ad spending 2008-2019 Published by Matej Mikulic , Mar 10, 2020
The advertising costs of Pfizer totaled approximately 2.6 billion U.S. dollars in 2019, a decrease of 500 million U.S. dollars on the previous year. The company’s advertising spend has averaged three billion U.S. dollars per year since 2012.

What are Pfizer’s biggest expenses?Pfizer spent around 14.4 billion U.S. dollars on selling, informational, and administrative expenses in 2019 – this segment, which includes advertising costs, accounted for the company’s biggest expense during the year. Spending on research and development is another of Pfizer’s highest costs, but discovering new drugs and adding value to existing products is vital to the success of the company.

Pfizer’s home in the city that doesn’t sleepPfizer has properties in more than 90 countries and a global workforce of approximately 88,000 employees. The company’s global headquarters is based in New York City, but plans are in place to move across Manhattan to a new property in 2022. Pfizer’s roots in the city can be traced back to 1849 when cousins Charles Pfizer and Charles Erhart founded the company in Brooklyn.

393333 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 1, #993 of 1931 🔗

I guess the mutation of concern is SA, or is it yet more?

393348 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, #994 of 1931 🔗

I guess the mutation of concern is SA

I believe so, Silke.

393651 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Silke David, #995 of 1931 🔗

Have they explained why it’s of concern yet?

393655 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #996 of 1931 🔗

There is some concern this mutation might make vaccines less effective.

Riiiggghhhtt.

393952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #997 of 1931 🔗

Given that the vaxxes are not very effective in the first place, I don’t see why this should be a problem – though it’s certainly very convenient ….

393337 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 6, #998 of 1931 🔗

COVID on tour – like it! Is the support band the Southern Death Cult?

393503 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to godowneasy, 2, #999 of 1931 🔗

Are T shirts on sale?

393866 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1000 of 1931 🔗

Anthrax would be a good support band.

393615 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1001 of 1931 🔗

Ground all drones immediately.

393295 HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 15, #1002 of 1931 🔗

Mutation upon mutation upon mutation …. as viruses do. And, per the government / MSM, each one ‘potentially’ more virulent / deadly than the last. Lockdowns do not work … when will the lockdownistas see that they are being played ?

393314 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 2, #1003 of 1931 🔗

Apparently never.

393305 Ceriain, 33, #1004 of 1931 🔗

Beeb live bollocks:

Earlier today, 5 Live’s Your Call programme heard from listeners on what they thought of the government’s plan to test people door-to-door in some areas to control the spread of the new South African coronavirus variant.

Dan lives in Woking. His elderly mother lives inside the testing area and he is concerned she could be tricked by conmen pretending to be from the government.

No, Dan the conmen ARE the government!

393306 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 13, #1005 of 1931 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/02/teenager-emerges-after-10-month-coma-with-no-knowledge-of-pandemic

Note from the article – He has caught Covid twice whilst in a coma.

I call bullshit – he tested positive using PCR tests on two occasions.

393320 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1006 of 1931 🔗

He will shit himself when he sees the sheople shuffling about wearing gimp masks.

393336 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1007 of 1931 🔗

Like the tale yesterday of the 91 year old who died of covid after not setting foot outside the house for over ten months until the day he went for his jab. Family blame it on him catching covid off the pen he used to sign the consent form.

393368 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1008 of 1931 🔗

Was his name Mr Parker?

393401 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1009 of 1931 🔗

… any 5G masts near him?

393583 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1010 of 1931 🔗

So he died from the jab then?

393920 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richy_m_99, #1011 of 1931 🔗

Pure pork!

393986 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Richy_m_99, #1012 of 1931 🔗

If only he had taken his own pen. Poor oversight and poor planning.

393346 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1013 of 1931 🔗

That’s like something from 28 Days Later.

393370 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 13, #1014 of 1931 🔗

I’m waiting for the Guardian article that claims you can die more than once from covid.

393382 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to rockoman, 5, #1015 of 1931 🔗

That’s hilarious! But, at this stage nothing would surprise me. Perhaps they could host a seance so the poor bugger could report his celestial long covid symptoms for the next days paper.

393411 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, 5, #1016 of 1931 🔗

The Science will now come out suggesting putting every human on Earth into an induced coma is a viable way to cut all chains of transmission.

393921 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, #1017 of 1931 🔗

Well in the US you can vote when you’re dead, so it’s perfectly feasible.

393307 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 29, #1018 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s been mentioned in here before, but them chaps on UK column are the dogs Bollocks,pull no punches, nail this shit show to the mast.. They highlight the fact that the talentless whore Lady Goo Goo,is telling people to stay at home save lives (on the government payroll)and singing the national anthem at the Wanker Bidens inauguration, Fucking piss take knows no bounds..

393310 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #1019 of 1931 🔗

Are you related to Biker!?

393316 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Biggles, 18, #1020 of 1931 🔗

In my use of colorful language yes, biologically no..

393326 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1021 of 1931 🔗

You never know Bruce, you might be a scary, super-sweary mutation of him 😉

393334 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1022 of 1931 🔗

Now that would an honor,I would embrace that mutation..

393399 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1023 of 1931 🔗

… and the pale blue pallour?

393612 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #1024 of 1931 🔗

The Assistant Health Secretary, Rachel Levine, is also a piss take. A perfect candidate for three masks, one for each chin.

393313 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #1025 of 1931 🔗

Would there be any downsides to simply abolishing the Department of Health tomorrow?

Similarly, I saw an earlier post mention getting a letter from the Minister for Hospitality. Is that how things work now? Government policy completely abolishes a sector but we still have a Minister for something that’s ceased to exist? Nice work if you can get it. About as relevant as claiming you’re the culural attache to the Hanseatic League or the Duchy of Naples.

393331 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1026 of 1931 🔗

I remember when they had a flood somewhere and they appointed a Minister for floods, years ago so still as useless

393317 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 24, #1027 of 1931 🔗

More Beeb Live nonsense:

Hancock says he and speaker of the house Sir Lindsay Hoyle visited the new rapid Covid testing for all MPs, peers and staff working on the parliamentary estate.

“I took a test this morning, thankfully negative , it’s quick and easy and you get the result back fast and I encourage colleagues who have to be here in person to sign up and do the same,” he says.

Of course it’s negative, you twat; you’ve already had it!

More propaganda, trying to keep the “you can get it more than once” lie going. 🙁

393327 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1028 of 1931 🔗

They are so pathetic and obsessed, its like Covid has become their reason for living.

393341 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1029 of 1931 🔗

It is.

393329 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1030 of 1931 🔗

What test did he take? Was it the have you any idea what you’re doing test?

393332 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hubes, 1, #1031 of 1931 🔗

the have you any idea what you’re doing test

LOL! 🙂

393462 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1032 of 1931 🔗

I think all MPs should be given the new ‘chinese’ rear end test since they’re full of shit anyway!!

393778 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1033 of 1931 🔗

I felt the same when I got tested for Ebola, Smallpox, Dengue Fever and a few other things this morning.

‘Phew!’, I thought as I stripped of, showered in bleach , and locked myself up again ‘… that’s a relief!. Now I can get back to normal life in my bedroom!’.

So … I’m just injecting myself with something that I heard recomme……….

393318 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #1034 of 1931 🔗

response from my MP

I have consistently expressed my grave concerns to the Government about the great harms caused by lockdown, not least to children and young people, who have had their lives so disrupted by these continued cycles of lockdowns. I am glad the government is committed to reviewing the current England-wide lockdown in mid-February, by which point all people in the four top target groups for vaccinations should have been offered at least their first injection. I will be lobbying for restrictions to be eased from this point with the absolute priority of getting children back into school.

to my email below


I hope you are aware of the increasing body of studies that show lockdown not only kills people due to its collateral effects but it kills more people due to covid

Here is an example

https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2020/shutting-schools-increases-covid-19-deaths-study-f

The only reason to lockdown is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed – but lockdowns increase the overall deaths of covid. You can optimise to minimise the number of deaths, ICU admissions or cases. Our present strategy is to minimise ICU/cases and to maximise deaths. Now the peak has passed (a month ago to be precise), every day we stay in lockdown we are killing people – both as predicted and as shown by data.

393359 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 6, #1035 of 1931 🔗

At least your MP doesn’t seem to be totally brain dead.

393416 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Annie, 1, #1036 of 1931 🔗

he has been good throughout apart from the fact he voted for all the lockdowns.

393914 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #1037 of 1931 🔗

Doh!

393323 Old Bill, -1, #1038 of 1931 🔗

Maybe you haven’t done a lot of long haul flying NN, I had to for work purposes and I can tell you that as a fit 50 year old it takes it out of you, but for a 100 year old it is either attempted suicide if you do it yourself, or attempted murder if you are subjected to it by somebody else. This looks like the latter and it looks like it is going to be successful. Therein lies the objection to the act not your ludicrous argument.

393325 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1039 of 1931 🔗

BREAKING: HMG write to Sturgeon to offer all help and services to “accelerate” Scotland’s sluggish vaccine roll out as their jab rates at lagging far behind the rest of the UK…

Read the HMG letter here.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1356627172119760896?s=20

And pumping improperly tested concoctions into the population is lost in a mire of political spin, lies and bullshit.

393911 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #1040 of 1931 🔗

Hmmmm. Plenty of lines to read between in Wankock’s letter. Definitely detect a whiff of desperation and appeasement.

393330 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1041 of 1931 🔗

The three legged pong of Long Covid hasn’t had an outing in a while. I fancy a renewed push is coming to give that an airing. It’s due.

393339 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Basics, 16, #1042 of 1931 🔗

Typical sufferer: Middle-aged, public sector (under) “employed” female, given to Palestinian scarves, beads, aromatherapy and writing their own inspirational blog. Membership of at least 14 online “support groups” is mandatory.

393343 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 2, #1043 of 1931 🔗

Next up is long covid bollocks – the only cure is mandatory castration.

393603 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, #1044 of 1931 🔗

Boris can go first. Bye bye Nut Nuts.

393335 Sarigan (Day 316 of lockdown), 4, #1045 of 1931 🔗

Mutations

New introduced mutations.
Infected to infest.
With something else invested.
To inject one’s body,
And mind to test.
Mutations.
Victims of vaccinations.
And pharmaceutically induced.
To produce,
More mutations.

Cured with a needle or pill.
Mutations.
Making people sick and ill.
Mutations.
Scientists rush to find,
The right chemicals combined…
To calm down and ease minds.

Mutations.
New introduced mutations.
Created to produce sensations.
Leaving more people upset.
If they’re not ones picked tested,
For whatever disease comes next.

We all have become mutations.
Tested.
Mutations.
Tested.

Rushing and lured to get a cure.
Mutations.
Tested.
Mutations.
Tested.

Rushing to be protected.
From the next infections.
Mutations.
Tested
Mutations.
Tested.

Rushing to be those tested.
By more injections.
Without objection.

Mutations.
Born to be tested.
Mutations.
Born to be tested.
Mutations.
Born to be tested.
And not contested.

Lawrence S. Pertillar

393342 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #1046 of 1931 🔗

How are they going to get rid of Johnson Hancock & Sage? They are turning into a bloody nuisance, making things worse and getting paid to do it.

393688 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1047 of 1931 🔗
393897 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1048 of 1931 🔗

The section on malice is very relevant. Unfortunately, we can’t trust the judiciary either.

393347 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 11, #1049 of 1931 🔗

“The official attendance for Super Bowl LV will be 25,000 fans and 30,000 cutouts, according to NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero”

I hope the 30,000 cutouts have a good time.

393360 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Hubes, 10, #1050 of 1931 🔗

It just gets madderer and madderer and madderer…..

393392 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Hubes, 6, #1051 of 1931 🔗

Will the cutouts be required to double mask?

393431 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Hubes, 2, #1052 of 1931 🔗

The cardboard cutouts are getting free admission for voting Democrat last November.

393596 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hubes, 1, #1053 of 1931 🔗

I bet that the faces on those cutouts paid something to be planted there.

393621 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1054 of 1931 🔗

Genius! Sponsored seats!

393349 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 18, #1055 of 1931 🔗

Just had to break it to a member of the trades that I did not find his having had the vaccine remotely reassuring, because it.. (altogether now).. won’t stop you catching it, and won’t stop you passing it on. It’ll just reduce your symptoms if you do get it. It makes him safer and me more vulnerable. Apologies if I don’t regard him as a modern day saint. He’d obviously queered the system to get bumped up the list as well because he’s late middle age, and very fit, and has worked all through the last 2 lockdowns.

So having him in my house, rather than the youngsters I had in my house the other week to do some other work is a complete liability. But interestingly, he hadn’t a bloody clue. He’d seen our 2 PHE wizards all excited and concluded it was a great idea. But he’d failed to notice Jonathan Van Tam’s stern reference to needing to mask up and not stop PPEing until.. we’ll quite possibly never.

Poor man was alarmed, and I was saddened. No one should have experimental gene therapy without being fully consented. Still I need work doing on my house, and we’re now locked in a contract. So nothing to do but open the windows and hope for the best.

393499 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to TheHandbag, #1056 of 1931 🔗

Clearly you must muzzle up even when he is not there as the virus load WILL be off the richter scale . This includes taking a bath -I’d suggest you give showers a miss for the moment as you won’t be protected unless you can find a waterproof face nappy.

393552 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1057 of 1931 🔗

Maybe people should actively *only* employ tradespeople who have NOT been vaccinated?

393891 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1058 of 1931 🔗

All my tradespeople know it’s just a big scam. Over the last six months, I’ve had several visit. No face nappies to be seen, no antisocial-distancing, they all just behave exactly as they did 12 months ago. Significantly they’re all self-employed.

My cleaner told me that her friend made an appointment for a Sky engineer to call. She was told that she’d have to disinfect the floor where he was going to be walking. There’s no sane take on that, is there?!

393354 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 18, #1059 of 1931 🔗

The People V HM Government for False Advertising surrounding Covid19

Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but there is a petition to litigate against the Government for their fear-mongering advertising, details:

On the 8th February, I will be launching a Group Litigation Order (GLO) against the UK Government for False Advertising surrounding the Covid19 campaigns. Until people start being held accountable, this will never end. Although I only need 18 signatures to file this order, I believe it will strengthen the case for the Judge to see how many people are backing this fight.

Since March 2020, the UK Government have spent billions of pounds of tax payers money on illegal advertising surrounding Covid19. They have billboards, social media, TV and Radio campagins that are stating incorrect and unfactual medical information.

Stating phrases like “Joggers are highly likely to have Covid-19” is not only a fraudulant claim with no medical proof to back it, it is extremely misleading and using shock tactics (which is against the Communications Act 2003).

In addition to these adverts breaking the Advertising Standards Agency legislation

, they are extremely detrimental for people’s mental health, especially children. These adverts are nothing more than fear mongering and politically biased Government propaganda.

If you have been negatively affected by these adverts and/or the false claims that they make, please sign.

https://www.petitiononline.uk/the_people_v_hm_government_for_false_advertising_surrounding_covid19

393393 ▶▶ isobar, replying to zacaway, 10, #1060 of 1931 🔗

This made my day. Whether you want to sign or not it’s worth checking out the comments. These alone should reassure us LS that there are many others who think that the adverts that the Government have forced upon us are disgusting and degrading.

393868 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to isobar, 1, #1061 of 1931 🔗

Did you see this one?

My son, who is 15 years old and mask exempt was refused entry to our local Sainsbury’s for not wearing a mask. Was told he had to prove his exemption to which he responded that he didn’t. And was told the rules had changed. He is now afraid to go back to the shop. I absolutely hate going out in this controlling world.

Sainsbury’s bullying again!

393423 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to zacaway, 6, #1062 of 1931 🔗

great stuff, I believe the relentless fear mongering by the Government through the media has been a crime against the British people – signed!

393484 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to zacaway, 3, #1063 of 1931 🔗

Signed. Brilliant Petition and timely too.

393592 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to zacaway, 1, #1064 of 1931 🔗

There are probably more than what you listed so far. Go back in time and I’m sure you will find hundreds.

393614 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to zacaway, 1, #1065 of 1931 🔗

Yes, I’ve signed too. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
If you have time, perhaps you could post it daily?

393684 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to zacaway, 1, #1066 of 1931 🔗

Signed.

393356 merlin, replying to merlin, 2, #1067 of 1931 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55894882
South African variant testing ‘makes no sense’ , say the headline. But if you dare click the link the bedwetters lined up in the article suggest testing the entire population is the only solution.

393363 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to merlin, 4, #1068 of 1931 🔗

I’m sure its the paid bed wetter group, not many but they are on many sites

393571 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1069 of 1931 🔗

Trolls, snitches, swervers and bedwetters. Among others.

393845 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, #1070 of 1931 🔗

Yes. The DW trolls were having quite a party (again) this morning. Very tedious!

Makes me realise how lucky we are here BTL. Must not take it for granted!

393361 DanClarke, 5, #1071 of 1931 🔗

The media is so biased, they never show photo’s of those very weird testing people told ‘politely’ where to go, or the test kits thrown back at those delivering them

393364 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 17, #1072 of 1931 🔗

I went out for a cycle about today, I was cycling up a hill, on the pavement….I know I know but the road is busy and I was only going to be on it for 50 yards before turning right. It’s a safe easy option.

So as I ascend, a lady pops round the corner. I started to do some initial covidian checks….70 ish…worn regatta or North face walking gear… yep possibly a covidian, a black neck scarf…humm this is looking like she is one.

THEN
She puts her hand up to her mouth!
For flips sake, she was at least 30 yards away!.
Well red rag…bull…I give her a hard stare and keep cycling straight for her. Normally I would pop of the pavement and pass people politely. NOT with this one! KILL!

THEN she steps off the pavement…now this is a busy road, she didn’t even look. “You muppet” I said as I went past her.

With hindsight I should of yelled “LOOK OUT!” and perhaps pointed frantically behind her.

That would have been funny.

Oh yer and another one lept off the pavement to avoid oncoming people in front of Mrs 2-6 as well earlier on. She didn’t look, if it wasn’t for me saying loudly “Uh Oh!” she wouldn’t of seen her coming.

393373 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1073 of 1931 🔗

I’m waiting for one of these swervers to get run over by a mask wearing driver. I will then offer first aid, I bet they’d refuse.

393428 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1074 of 1931 🔗

Brilliant. Under the circumstances “You muppet” was way too polite!

393680 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1075 of 1931 🔗

Mrs Awkward starting saying “I don’t have anything contagious you know” in a nasty voice every time someone swerves to avoid her free-faced condition as she’s getting really narked with all the stupidity.

As you said, nearly always the same demographic.

393365 leggy, replying to leggy, 22, #1076 of 1931 🔗

Seems Sir Captain Tom has passed. Very sad and I hope he rests in peace. But brace yourselves.

393371 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to leggy, 14, #1077 of 1931 🔗

Nooo! This is going to be very painful. He had so many more tears to live, (oh no, hang on).

What’s happened to the Queen? Hope she and Prince P are not similarly afflicted. Mind you THEY haven’t been to Barbados…

393376 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to TheHandbag, 13, #1078 of 1931 🔗

I very much doubt that Brenda and Phil received anything but a saline solution.

393380 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1079 of 1931 🔗

😲

393378 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TheHandbag, 16, #1080 of 1931 🔗

He was only 100..wait what? He was a fucking 100!!! So he lived almost 20 years longer that the average life expectancy in this country..I mean..he had a good innings that is for sure.

393403 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Thomas_E, 20, #1081 of 1931 🔗

Sorry. It’s a shame you can’t hear my tone when I type.. It’s a salient reminder not to wait to our late-90s to make that bucket list.

RIP old boy. What a luxurious death compared to your recently vaccinated compatriots whose last miserable minutes were spent in a foetid care home having been injected with an untested experimental genetic agent, quite possibly unable to actually consent to what was about to kill them.

Hats off to his family for keeping him close to them though. Looking after a 100 year old can be no mean feat.

393415 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1082 of 1931 🔗

But it’s a tragedy, and hence it is everyone’s duty to get posting on social media to share their tears.

393372 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, 18, #1083 of 1931 🔗

Cut down in his prime by Covid

393374 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1084 of 1931 🔗

😢

393394 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1085 of 1931 🔗

Which he caught in the hospital.

393381 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 4, #1086 of 1931 🔗

waaaaaaaaa!
sadlididlyosis

393388 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 11, #1087 of 1931 🔗

Very sad for his family but Piers Morgan et. al. are going to milk this and some …

393422 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, 13, #1088 of 1931 🔗

I bloody well hope they do because it will certainly piss people off who have been refused access to their elderly relatives in care homes and who died alone with less rights than prisoners have, locked in their rooms, no stimulation, no life, no goodwill and no love.

I think the public aren’t too concerned about Major Tom’s death I think there are other far more serious things to worry about in the coming months. However, if it takes the industrial level of fake news, lies and propaganda off the front page then I say good.

393424 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to kh1485, 6, #1089 of 1931 🔗

Government need to be quick and get a statutory instrument drafted to allow a maximum of 10,000 funeral attendees. It would be inhuman to deny slebs and the Pig Dictator their rightful publicity.

393429 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #1090 of 1931 🔗

No doubt there will be an address to the nation tonight.

393482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, 4, #1091 of 1931 🔗

Pleeeaase – not another one!

393435 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to leggy, 15, #1092 of 1931 🔗

Braced. In fact I’m taking some provisions and going into the cupboard under the stairs. There is going to be a tsunami of public grief and it will have been the rule breakers who killed him. It will be nothing to do with his trip to Barbados, his subsequent pneumonia, nor his long innings. Nor will it be anything to do with going into hospital, of course.
Jolly fine fellow and I doubt whether he would have wanted to be a Covid martyr.

393367 TheHandbag, 20, #1093 of 1931 🔗

In a completely different matter, what about a day/week/month of mass civil disobedience online?

If you’re a parent that does online lessons every day. STOP. If everyone stops attending “school”, then that sends a pretty solid message. Let your children reclaim their childhoods. Take then to the park. Let them Minecraft ALL DAY LONG! Teach them a skill that’s been passed down your family. Learn one together.

The Education Act was never designed for schools not being physical buildings, and there’s no way you can lose your place at a school that you only have a technical spot at anyway. If they serve you with a school attendance order, do exactly that. ATTEND. Go to the school gates and get back to your education!

393375 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 13, #1094 of 1931 🔗
393379 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #1095 of 1931 🔗

Panic!

393384 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #1096 of 1931 🔗

Well, are we all gonna line socially distanced the Pall Mall as he is laid to rest in Westminster Cathedral?
I do not think so.
At least he got a nice tan.

393385 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #1097 of 1931 🔗

No ill will to the old fella, but OH FUCK. Here come the Dianists.

HE WAS THE PEOPLE’S GRANDAD.

393400 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AidanR, 17, #1098 of 1931 🔗

Indeed. Just about to put talkRADIO on and instead of their usual graphic of their main presenters, there is a tasteful pic of the Captain on a black background. Poor bloke, he deserved better than to be exploited like this.

393568 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to AidanR, 1, #1099 of 1931 🔗

Dianists’ hahahaha!

393387 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #1100 of 1931 🔗

Princess Di part deux
Will still be DM headline in 10 years time

393406 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Thomas_E, 19, #1101 of 1931 🔗

No prizes for guessing whether he goes on the stats for pneumonia (which he had for weeks – putting him in hospital) or for Batflu (for which he had god knows how many PCRs before finally getting a dubious positive). It’s a miracle the MSM actually acknowledge the pneumonia, considering how rare that has become.

393377 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 3, #1102 of 1931 🔗

“Despite boasting the highest vaccination rate in the land, Israel is finding the virus stubbornly hard to defeat as new cases bounce back. Indeed, cases might even be rising despite the number of vaccinations, and a nationwide lockdown that continues. While the vast majority of those over 80 have been vaccinated, the nation’s campaign is stalling.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/israel-cases-rise-despite-lockdown-vaccinations-japan-extends-state-emergency-live-updates

393407 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to rockoman, 5, #1103 of 1931 🔗

I guess the answer is to stop vaccinating then. One of the side effects is that the vaccinee gets Covid when they didn’t have it before. Or maybe, there isn’t a deadly virus around after all!

393417 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1104 of 1931 🔗

The way data is collected and presented is very unhelpful – if being vaccinated makes you test positive then mass vaccination might well lead to an increase in “cases” and “covid deaths” but it doesn’t necessarily mean the vaccine caused it

Careless distortions of reality have left countries hoist by their own petard now they are vaccinating

393557 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1105 of 1931 🔗

Just don’t take it. Problem solved.

393438 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 1, #1106 of 1931 🔗

But, but, but they said it was 98% effective!

393444 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1108 of 1931 🔗

Gives you hope for the country.

393445 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1109 of 1931 🔗

Depressing jellyfish replies supporting Whitty and bashing the, “furriner.”

I’d argue the, “furriner,” who actually appreciates liberty and medical sovereignty is far more Western than these government monsters and their order-following enablers.

393456 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to awildgoose, 11, #1110 of 1931 🔗

I doubt he’s foreign; Jafaikan is just the mainstream dialect among the London yoot deeze dayz innit mandem.

393555 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mattghg, 1, #1111 of 1931 🔗

Is that the new Cockney?

393560 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1112 of 1931 🔗

Cockney is an archaic language now. I doubt anyone under the age of 50 really speaks Cockney.

393643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to mattghg, 5, #1113 of 1931 🔗

its all estuary english now. . cockney/essex merged with west indian, a bit or urdu and some u.s. rap talk .

393695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to mj, 1, #1114 of 1931 🔗

I remember real Essex accents when I was a kid. A bit like Suffolk but with less of a lift on the final syllable. Probably still a few around in Saffron Walden KH?

393472 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1115 of 1931 🔗

Witless just stood there looking like a bat hanging upside down! Good for the young man – what an opportunity – I wish I had such an opportunity to call him a liar except that my rhetoric wouldn’t be as polite!

393535 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nickbowes, 7, #1116 of 1931 🔗

Well he could of done a much better job than that. But Whitty, putting on his mask and trying to blend in with the pavement. What a total and utter …there are no words…..I mean really, for goodness sake. Talk about somebody who is not on the same planet…just weird really.

393569 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1117 of 1931 🔗

Yes, he could have carried on walking and ignored the young man.

393820 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Dominich, #1118 of 1931 🔗

He was queuing – seemingly at 4m distancing.

393581 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1119 of 1931 🔗

He malfunctioned.

393390 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 37, #1120 of 1931 🔗

So Captain Tom went into hospital, and CAUGHT COVID WHILE IN THE HOSPITAL AND DIED IN THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE OF THE COVID HE CAUGHT IN THE HOSPITAL .

393410 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to AidanR, 21, #1121 of 1931 🔗

he raised 22 million for the NHS and they killed him

393466 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to steve_w, 4, #1122 of 1931 🔗

Well that didn’t buy any extra beds or services then did it? Where did the money go? Knowing the NHS on creating more managers and erecting statues in their atriums.

393473 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 6, #1123 of 1931 🔗

That’s gratitude for you! Mind you they did let his family stay with him which is more than the majority of people had.

393413 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to AidanR, 14, #1124 of 1931 🔗

Gonna be interesting to see how the Covid zealots remember him seeing as he committed the greatest sin of flying to Barbados “in the midst of a deadly unprecedented global pandemic”.

393418 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to AidanR, 4, #1125 of 1931 🔗

Do you mean Saint Tom?

393432 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to muzzle, 11, #1126 of 1931 🔗

No, you need to perform a miracle to become a saint. In other words, he’d have to have made it out of the NHS alive to get his canonisation.

393440 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to AidanR, 7, #1127 of 1931 🔗

Ah, I just thought under the circumstances they’d rush it through, like with the knighthood.

393475 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to muzzle, 1, #1128 of 1931 🔗

Don’t give them any ideas please.

393447 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to AidanR, 2, #1129 of 1931 🔗

Actually I think you can also be canonized if you’re martyred for the faith. So actually…

393653 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to mattghg, 1, #1130 of 1931 🔗

Ah – good very point, sir.

393903 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to AidanR, 1, #1131 of 1931 🔗

If what you say is true then it is futile to believe anyone can be protected from Covid – if they can’t manage to do it in a hospital where can they manage to do ?

I hope he died peacefully and without much discomfort and that above all his family was with him. What a great final year for him to have lived.

393397 Silke David, 21, #1132 of 1931 🔗

Questionnaire on the Corona Dashboard re vaccines:
4. Is there other vaccinations information you would like to see on the site?
My answer:
how many died within 28 days of getting vaccinated
Sadly the questionnaire does not work as they set it up wrongly.

393467 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to bebophaircut, 8, #1134 of 1931 🔗

Fauci should get an injection, of the permanent kind!

393548 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1135 of 1931 🔗

Fauci will not go away. He’s now in the Biden Administration. Expect more of the same for who knows how much longer.

393533 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1136 of 1931 🔗

Stage 2 of the plan to reduce the world’s population…
Stage 1: reduce the numbers of elderly
Stage 2: sterilise the young

393682 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Carrie, 1, #1137 of 1931 🔗

yep, that’s about it. and then warehouse the others somewhere and wait for them to drop dead, the sooner the better

393404 ogri, replying to ogri, 28, #1138 of 1931 🔗

I am 66 and was surprised to get phone call from doctor surgery today asking if I would come in this week for my covid jab, I poltely declined, in the end she asked if I would prefer not to be asked again so I said yes. All very polite and no pressure to have jab.

393425 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to ogri, 4, #1139 of 1931 🔗

good that they aren’t trying to coerce you into the jab, or threaten you with scare stories if you don’t have it (the media do enough of that!)

393464 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ogri, 7, #1140 of 1931 🔗

I did too but then I’m 71 so I’ve been expecting a call or a letter. I’m not quite ready to be sent on my way by the NHS so I declined. But 66 is still young, perhaps they’ve got a huge stash of it and want to inject as many as possible. I think you were very wise to refuse.

393769 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #1141 of 1931 🔗

Don’t forget about their bonuses ……

393485 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to ogri, 1, #1142 of 1931 🔗

Excellent

393532 ▶▶ Alice, replying to ogri, 3, #1143 of 1931 🔗

Same here – age 65. I explained about my horrific reaction to a tetanus injection age about 5, and not being allowed to have any vaccinations afterwards. The nurse said she understood, and thanks, bye.

393715 ▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to ogri, 1, #1144 of 1931 🔗

I had a similar experience, phone call, polite no thank you, ok we won’t bother you again, but, received another phone call today a week after the first. Looks like they not going to give up that easily.

393756 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ogri, 1, #1145 of 1931 🔗

You’re now in the black book though …..

OOps, are black books still allowed to be black nowadays? It’s a minefield!

393408 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 38, #1146 of 1931 🔗

“Flatten the curve” momentarily (3 weeks tops?) to protect the NHS.

Actually, just “protect the NHS” full stop forever. But not with, you know, appropriate funding and staffing and world class management, let’s just go with the abject destruction of EVERYTHING ELSE.

Now that we’re on a God-like roll, let’s go with “control the virus”, even in the summer when no one’s actually got it or is dying from it, and even when, you know, nature and all that, you’ve got to be a complete raving moron to think you have any purchase over a microscopic airborne pathogen.

Winter comes. Project control the virus isn’t going too well. Let’s just go with “it’s all your fault you rule breaking bench licking air breathing parasites”. We’ll need to spend a few billion advertising this one but worth it I’d say.

It hasn’t done the trick. The roads are packed, the parks, the streets. Why are they not cowering at home? We’re going to have to escalate to “rapidly mutating scary bogeyman at large”. Let’s hope they don’t think I’m referring to little Mattie.

Meanwhile, “all hail the vaccine!” Surely a winner? I mean, they won’t largely notice it isn’t actually a vaccine, it won’t change any of the rules, it may even (sshhh) kill a few more oldies and you’re part of the biggest medical trial experiment in history.

Damn, turns out the kids are really suffering, even the BBC are reporting it (no hosing that one down to the lunatic lockdown sceptics/deniers/scum of the earth). Let’s go with “we’re doing everything in our power to reopen schools”. Except for actually, you know, reopening them. Because we’re, like, the Government and we could just do it right now.

Just in time! Another variant (no I still don’t mean you little Mattie). Even the variants have variants, it’s delicious. They’re extremely self aware; they know postcodes, how clever! Let’s go with “stay home, stay even further at home if your postcode has been targeted, PROTECT THE VACCINE (aka big Pharma profits, aka the vested interests of the SAGE group).

That’s it, the end. Protect the vaccine. It’s never been about saving lives.

393572 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #1147 of 1931 🔗

I think this just about nails it… Have those of us on this side reached peak despair?

393835 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Alethea, 1, #1148 of 1931 🔗

I know I have. I’ve just turned 50 in Jan and I’ve already had a letter and a phone call no less to get me to take the flu vax. Didn’t have the heart to tell them there’s no flu 🤷🏻‍♀️ . Just said no thanks and hung up. This is after years of being largely ignored and having to seek private healthcare for chronic conditions. I expect I’ll be chased to take the Covid vax too. This is their one-eyed idea of prevention. They’re not interested in real prevention via boosting immune and metabolic health.

393641 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #1149 of 1931 🔗

“appropriate funding and staffing and world class management”?

LOL… it is the 5th largest employer in the whole world. How many fkin staff does it need?

Planned spending for the Department of Health and Social Care in England was £201.7 billion in 2020/21, up from £148.8 billion in 2019/20. For ENGLAND. Tax receipts for the HM Treasury in 2019 were £634billion. The NHS in England ate nearly a third of that. How much money does it NEED?

393843 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to AidanR, #1150 of 1931 🔗

I do agree, the last one management is the real kicker. Because where is that money going? And why does there seem to be not enough staff? No one seems to be accountable for any of it.

393409 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 20, #1151 of 1931 🔗

RIP captain Tom. A PR disaster for the government and NHS

393631 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to pvenkman, 3, #1152 of 1931 🔗

Oh they’ll spin it their way…

Not a single talking head will mention that he contracted covid in an NHS hospital, and died in an NHS hospital after catching Covid in the NHS hospital.

And in the event that they do, they will be trampled underfoot by people pointing out that he was 100 years old and in poor health. The very same people who would not have tolerated such a rational argument this time yesterday.

393669 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 4, #1153 of 1931 🔗

it’ll be fault of those non-mask wearers and anti-vaxxers. ‘can you look at Captain Tom in the eyes…’

393412 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, #1154 of 1931 🔗

Is there anybody else out there who is in SA wondering what to do?

I’m weighing my options for a return to Borisova.

393426 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Stephen Williams, 10, #1155 of 1931 🔗

There are plenty of us here in Borisreich, wondering why the fuck we are here and not in, say, Siberia or Mongolia.

393625 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, #1156 of 1931 🔗

We are in Mongolia.

393662 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, #1157 of 1931 🔗

for pity’s sake, stay there! don’t whatever you do come back here, the country you left no longer exists

393716 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JaneHarry, #1158 of 1931 🔗

Sorry, I thought we were renaming this country Mongolia, on account of all the mongs.

393414 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 46, #1159 of 1931 🔗

This uncle Tom thing may well back fire on the MSM and the Government turds, for a nation on it’s knees and becoming increasingly fucked of with lockdown, hearing about a 100 years old chap Who had a long and eventful life is not going to cut much mustard you really are flogging a dead horse here, the majority will that see this is just blatant bullshit..

393419 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 29, #1160 of 1931 🔗

he lived a 100 years but the NHS got him in the end.

393430 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to steve_w, 8, #1161 of 1931 🔗

No one expects .. the NH .. no hang on.

393434 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1162 of 1931 🔗

I hope so, but the sheeple will be told to wail and wail they will!

393449 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jb12, 2, #1163 of 1931 🔗

Maybe we’ll have to clap

394120 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to DanClarke, #1164 of 1931 🔗

This has already been suggested on our village Faecesbook by some smug, virtue signalling knobsocket.

393439 ▶▶ Raquel, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1165 of 1931 🔗

Sadly the majority don’t care about the arguments for proportionately. They are possessed with fervent fever tha tall is tight in a dystopian world that keeps them safe. And they will enjoy a frenzy of Tom Moore grieving.
It’s the LS sceptics that are sane and rational….

393452 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1166 of 1931 🔗

Personally I wouldn’t want to live to be 100.

393623 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1167 of 1931 🔗

Hahaha… Aye right.

393644 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1168 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s more likely the media coverage of his death will somehow renew the cause of the True Believers.

393420 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 56, #1169 of 1931 🔗

“Hundred year old man dies after having pneumonia for weeks.”

This country is in the grip of mass psychosis.

393442 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1170 of 1931 🔗

Looking forward to see how ATL will handle this tomorrow.

393446 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1171 of 1931 🔗

Anyone know where the money he raised went to?

393457 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1172 of 1931 🔗

NHS CHARITIES.
I read somewhere that a nurse said they will buy lockers so they do not need to leave coats and handbags at the nurses station anymore.
I think that says a lot of of the state of the NHS and how they value their most important staff.

393459 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1173 of 1931 🔗

The old fella did great and RIP, but I’m guessing “on some utterly useless masks and plastic gowns from China.”

393517 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DanClarke, #1174 of 1931 🔗

One of Hancock’s schemes run by Soames’ lot, I expect

393608 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1175 of 1931 🔗

Anal swabs don’t come cheap

393685 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, #1176 of 1931 🔗

NHS charities, whatever they are.

393448 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #1177 of 1931 🔗

I don’t worry about catching covid, its the hysterical psychosis that scares the hell out of me.

393522 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1178 of 1931 🔗

I’m worried about being forced to take the vaccine..

393888 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Carrie, #1179 of 1931 🔗

Is that likely in Sweden?

393460 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1180 of 1931 🔗

How many days of national mourning? I’ll open the bidding with 5 .

393469 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1181 of 1931 🔗

Could you imagine, if Brenda were to pop her clogs now (note to the MI whatever types on this forum – I am not advocating harm to your beloved monarch – merely playing devil’s advocate, she is 94 after all), the level of mourning that would take place would finish any chance of returning to normal.

393525 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1182 of 1931 🔗

When did we last see Prince Philip??

393554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Carrie, 1, #1183 of 1931 🔗

Phil the Greek hasn’t been in good health for a long time!!

393564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1184 of 1931 🔗

You cannot kill the undead… mwuhahahahahaha

393538 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1185 of 1931 🔗

Will they let you out to watch the funeral cortege pass by? Or do we only get to watch it on Zoom?

393673 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1186 of 1931 🔗

If I were the Queen, I’d be getting a food taster in.

393610 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, #1187 of 1931 🔗

They will end with the lockdown. Get used to wearing black.

393668 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to arfurmo, #1188 of 1931 🔗

Only five days? The rest of your life, mate.

393618 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1189 of 1931 🔗

This country is STILL in the grip of mass psychosis.

It’s been ongoing since at least August 1997.

393626 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, #1190 of 1931 🔗

Longer. Summer of 1967 was the beginning of the end.

393421 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 39, #1191 of 1931 🔗

Dr. Fauci thinks that Herd Immunity can be achieved by the summer IF children are vaccinated along with everybody else. He is the Joseph Mengele of the early 21st Century. Be very afraid.

393463 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1192 of 1931 🔗

Kary Mullis didn’t seem to have a very high opinion of Fauci.

393683 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alex B, 2, #1193 of 1931 🔗

Now we know why!

393481 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to bebophaircut, 9, #1194 of 1931 🔗

I listened to the UnHerd interview with the 3 educators, one of whom is from Oakland, California. My blood pressure went up listening to her tell of the teachers’ unions demands for going back into the classroom (BTW, she’s completely against lockdowns and thinks kids should have always been in the classroom). Not only are they demanding that teachers go to the front of the “vaccine” line, but they are also demanding that the kids be vaccinated. This is just pure evil.

393542 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1195 of 1931 🔗

Just the fact that Fauci mentionned it at all has put my stomach in knots. These people are EVIL and need to be cancelled as soon as possible.

393512 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1196 of 1931 🔗

Time for the vaccines containing sterilising agents now then…

393520 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1197 of 1931 🔗

Great – being pushed in Israel too. Remind me how many children were involved in the vaccine trials again?

393427 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 69, #1198 of 1931 🔗

It just goes to show, if it can kill a healthy 100 year old with pneumonia, none of us are safe!

393441 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1199 of 1931 🔗

🤣 🤣

393433 The Covid Kid, 13, #1200 of 1931 🔗

RIP Sir Tom! I think this could be the start of a new religion and his followers will be…..Moorons?!

393443 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1201 of 1931 🔗

I have a vision of Hancock being taken away by REAL men in white coats, shouting Help the Covid testers have got me

393453 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1202 of 1931 🔗

I hope they were injecting him with things

393534 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1203 of 1931 🔗

And doing multiple anal swabs

393544 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to isobar, 2, #1204 of 1931 🔗

yes, with mop handle

394131 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Major Panic, #1205 of 1931 🔗

with angry scorpions taped to it.

393624 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1206 of 1931 🔗

I want to hear him start shouting ‘I’m melting!!!’ like the Wicked Witch of the West, until nothing is left except a pinstripe suit and a grubby paper mask.

393450 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 41, #1207 of 1931 🔗

RIP Sir Tom, he did more for his country during the war years than most of has have ever done, and he lived his long life to the full, as well as getting a cheeky holiday in near the end, good for him.

393488 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Major Panic, 14, #1208 of 1931 🔗

I agree. I hope that the MSM, whilst recognising the terrific amount he raised, draw comparison with the eye-watering amounts of taxpayers money that Private Hancock has thrown away on useless schemes like track and trace and the crappy app.

393497 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 1, #1209 of 1931 🔗

Sorry, meant test and trace,

393620 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to isobar, 10, #1210 of 1931 🔗

I hope the MSM contrasts that last year of his life with the poor sods stuck in care homes unable to see their loved ones. I don’t begrudge Capt. Tom any of it – I’m glad he was able to go to Barbados with his family – I just want people to realise that most citizens his age have been forced to exist like high risk Broadmoor patients for the past year.

393697 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cranmer, #1211 of 1931 🔗

absolutely!

393451 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #1212 of 1931 🔗

Call me old fashioned but every time the dictatorship announces a scary story I try and work out what it is they are covering up

This South African bullshit is obviously a fabrication, but yet there it sits as the main news item

I suspect they are trying to cover up another round of mass slaughter in the care homes. First time round they did it with hospital discharges this time they are doing it by injection

393508 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1213 of 1931 🔗

Or is it that they tested the vaccines in South Africa?

393546 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1214 of 1931 🔗

I think it’s actually two things. The first is the bankrupt economy which is emerging and the resultant massive increase in unemployment, house repossessions, rampant inflation and a hike in interest rates which will no doubt affect people with mortgages. The second is, I’m afraid to say, either a way of prolonging the power they have grabbed and consolidating it permanently which I don’t believe they have the intelligence to execute effectively or to cover up the fact that the case numbers are plummeting and a dawning realisation on the part of the public that there is something highly suspect with the figures coupled with a massive breakdown in the narrative and people ignoring this lockdown.

A third reason could be of course, an excuse for further mass testing of the healthy just to bump the numbers up and up and up. Let’s hope the good people in these areas don’t open their doors and don’t agree to a dodgy test.

393613 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Dominich, #1215 of 1931 🔗

Good analysis. I agree completely that many (not all) in power would like to stamp us under the Iron Heel for ever, but lack the intelligence and organisational skills to do it. It’s one of the few things that gives me hope.

393461 howard steen, replying to howard steen, 4, #1216 of 1931 🔗

The South African variant? Who are they kidding? No proof is ever offered for any of these so-called ‘mutations’ of the virus. By this time it is not even required for a population that is so battered and confused by an endless barrage of propaganda lies over the last ten months. Take 20 minutes to learn about how all of this is achieved and what the real agenda is.

This German language documentary film titled ‘The Pandemic of Panic’ was released about one week ago by the Polish lawyer/author/journalist, Milosz Matuschek. It explains with appropriate historical references how a propaganda war has been waged against ordinary citizens to hide the real agendas of totalitarian western governments.

We have just added a version with english subtitles. Please share.

https://twitter.com/howardsteen4/status/1356379194859659264?s=21

393675 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to howard steen, #1217 of 1931 🔗

Thank you.

393774 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to howard steen, #1218 of 1931 🔗

Very good look at the propaganda aspect.

393465 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1219 of 1931 🔗

Captain Tom just bought the farm.

393468 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1220 of 1931 🔗

Didn’t he have the vaccine?

393471 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1221 of 1931 🔗

No, he’d had pneumonia for weeks and wasn’t fit enough for it.

393505 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1222 of 1931 🔗

Has it been mentioned that he had been on holiday abroad? Could’ve got the virus that way…

393523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Carrie, 6, #1223 of 1931 🔗

Very likely. No one will ever know, just like we have no real idea where anyone ever picks up a common respiratory virus.

393585 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Carrie, 7, #1224 of 1931 🔗

If he was in hospital for pneumonia he would have been tested incessantly for Batflu. So this could have been a single positive, in which case he probably didn’t have it. Given the high PCR cycles, and that there were only a couple of days before the positive test being announced and death, it is highly unlikely that even if he did have it, it would have finished him off so quickly. It’s a normal pneumonia / old age death. It was inevitable given his age, and the criminal Meeja and government vultures were just waiting for it with glee.

393474 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1225 of 1931 🔗

I really don’t care.

393606 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #1226 of 1931 🔗

He came across as a decent officer and gentleman, but to elevate him to national hero status is disgusting and I bet he didn’t want it either.

393634 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1227 of 1931 🔗

it’s nothing but a frivolous distraction from the fact that our children’s futures are being destroyed, our economy taken down, we are all being held in house arrest, and are witnessing the onclusion of the first stage of the most audacious and wicked genocide ever to be carried out in human history.

393470 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1228 of 1931 🔗

Tony Blair just announced that Tom was ‘The granddad of all our hearts’

393476 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Cecil B, 25, #1229 of 1931 🔗

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Where do we get a vaccine against Tony Blair?

393527 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1230 of 1931 🔗

Preferably injected deep into his heart (assuming, of course, that he has one).

394041 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to iane, #1231 of 1931 🔗

A sharp pointy stake would be better.

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393477 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1232 of 1931 🔗

The people’s Grampa™️

393478 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1233 of 1931 🔗

How do I put in an Emoji? The one that throws up.

393490 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Silke David, 3, #1234 of 1931 🔗

🤮

393480 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 31, #1235 of 1931 🔗

I didn’t think it was possible to hate Tony Blair any more than I already do, but there it is…

393483 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 18, #1236 of 1931 🔗

I find every day that I hate him all over again. Groundhate Day!

393593 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1237 of 1931 🔗

Tony Blair has a heart?

393599 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1238 of 1931 🔗

FFS he was just an old bloke like any other, why is his life worth more?

393667 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1239 of 1931 🔗

Exactly

393617 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1240 of 1931 🔗

didn’t he say something similar about Princess Diana?

393647 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #1241 of 1931 🔗

Shameless!!

393486 Raquel, replying to Raquel, 5, #1242 of 1931 🔗

Unlocked is interviewing Dr Clare Craig at 5pm ( in 5 minutes peeps) about the disappearance of flu. Check it out.

393491 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Raquel, 1, #1243 of 1931 🔗

Where is Unlocked?

393506 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to franknhonest, #1244 of 1931 🔗

Check out Facebook

393526 ▶▶▶ Raquel, replying to franknhonest, #1245 of 1931 🔗

It’s showing as 5.20 pm now

393487 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #1246 of 1931 🔗

Interesting how the BBC is covering this

“Covid-19: Captain Sir Tom Moore dies with coronavirus”
I expect a lot of people are thinking this is a ‘typical’ covid death. Basically old age coinciding with a nasty cold going round

393493 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 30, #1247 of 1931 🔗

Leaving out the bit that he had pneumonia for 3 weeks beforehand.
Sums up all the reporting on Covid.

393500 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1248 of 1931 🔗

Didn’t he also have the vaccine?

393511 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Carrie, 2, #1249 of 1931 🔗

Apparently not, believe he was advised against because of the pneumonia.

393710 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Carrie, #1250 of 1931 🔗

But no doubt will have had a flu vaccine.

393501 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #1251 of 1931 🔗

And the other thing is he had recently been on a long-haul flight. One of the best places to pick up a respiratory illness …

393518 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kh1485, 5, #1252 of 1931 🔗

There have been studies on the air quality of passenger planes that suggest that it is unhealthy for some people.

393531 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1253 of 1931 🔗

Indeed. Every time I have flown long-haul, I’ve picked up a nasty chest infection.

393605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, 1, #1254 of 1931 🔗

Something else to thank non-smokers for.

394143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to AidanR, #1255 of 1931 🔗

Yep.

393829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to kh1485, 1, #1256 of 1931 🔗

He will have been wearing a mask for the length of the journey.

393663 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1257 of 1931 🔗

Did they report on his freebie to Barbados?

393537 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to steve_w, 9, #1258 of 1931 🔗

I wonder how the family will play it with the media? I hope they emphasise that he’s had pneumonia for (2 or 3?) weeks and was admitted without Covid. He either acquired it in hospital or didn’t have it. Neither plays well for the government narrative if the facts are stuck to.
RIP Sir Tom and condolences to his family.

393549 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to WasSteph, 9, #1259 of 1931 🔗

His family tweeted on Sunday to say he had been battling pneumonia at home for a few weeks and tested positive for covid and needed to go in to hospital on Sunday to help with his breathing.

Media seem to be forgetting that tweet

393492 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #1260 of 1931 🔗

BBC

“Health Secretary Matt Hancock tweeted: “I’m so sorry to hear that Captain Tom has passed away in hospital. “He was a great British hero that showed the best of our country & I send my best wishes to his family at this time”

Best wishes? Best wishes are for a birthday you feckin spanner

More proof if any more were needed that this bloke must be an AI Android

393509 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1261 of 1931 🔗

Hancock obviously doesn’t do condolences or sympathies. If he did would send them in advance to those who will sadly die because of missed cancer screening, heart attacks at home etc etc. This is nothing to do with the pandemic, it’s down to the Government’s response to it. I hope that the day of reckoning comes none to soon.

393513 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1262 of 1931 🔗

Definitely artificially intelligent.

393516 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1263 of 1931 🔗

Well, I’d say artificially UNintelligent.

393536 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to iane, 17, #1264 of 1931 🔗

& I’d say that he was a wanker.

393561 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1265 of 1931 🔗

That reminds me, I’ve got to watch this again…
https://twitter.com/Dr_Drekkle/status/1329850193022496771

393635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to zacaway, 1, #1266 of 1931 🔗

That’s class 😂 😂 🤙🏻

393632 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1267 of 1931 🔗

You’d need a PCR test run at 99ct to find evidence of intelligence.

393565 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1268 of 1931 🔗

Well that’s a Freudian slip and a half. In its puny brain, Handjob is overjoyed with the news.

393582 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1269 of 1931 🔗

AI got brighter than Hancock in about 1983

393607 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1270 of 1931 🔗

god, Matt Hancock is such a DORK. if we had to have a fucking dictator, couldn’t we have had a more glamorous one? it wouldn’t feel so shameful if we were being tyrannised by a dictator with the stature of a Stalin, but we have let this pathetic worm of a man take our lives, freedom and humanity. oh, and Mark Drakeford, there is another nonentity given the rule over 3 million souls.

393627 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1271 of 1931 🔗

Surely an android would have used the correct terminology?

393674 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1272 of 1931 🔗

Outing himself as a psychopath.

393706 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1273 of 1931 🔗

I wonder if we’ll see him in tears.

393876 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dodderydude, #1274 of 1931 🔗

Crying out of 1 eye again

393709 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1275 of 1931 🔗

Perhaps he can muster another tear.

393872 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, #1276 of 1931 🔗

Looks more like artificial stupidity rather than artificial intelligence though.

394059 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, #1277 of 1931 🔗

How does Matt know that Tom was a great British hero?

393502 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 28, #1278 of 1931 🔗

I don’t mean to be sick when I say this here, but…the way that the brainwashed sheep have swallowed all the bullshit regarding this rubbish,
It wouldn’t surprise me that there will be some of them who will say that Captain Tom’s death was preventable…..despite him being 100 years old & well above the average life expectancy age.

393515 ▶▶ iane, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #1279 of 1931 🔗

And that it followed several weeks hospitalisation with pneumonia!

393528 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to iane, 8, #1281 of 1931 🔗

They will conveniently gloss that over though….also, did he catch the “virus” in the hospital? Or was it just a false positive & his passing will now add to the death statistics?

393529 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 17, #1282 of 1931 🔗

Of course there will! I can think of a few people of my acquaintance who will be declaring themselves in a state of shock and grief at the loss of a man struck down in his prime. All because of those horrible, germ-infested, selfish, dangerous children, they will claim.

393553 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1283 of 1931 🔗

I have already had someone on Twitter claim this.

393559 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to nocheesegromit, 10, #1284 of 1931 🔗

Well that person is a moron.

393507 PWL, replying to PWL, 1, #1285 of 1931 🔗

“Because it is important that our side does not attribute death in the same manner as UK Government, and the talking point needs perhaps to be reined in.”
Worth reading in full, as they say around here:

No UK Government Vaccine Triumph Suggests No Culling Of The Over-80s, Actually

393619 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, #1286 of 1931 🔗

Mortality in 2019 was atypically low. Needs to Use a more convincing comparison.

393609 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 1, #1288 of 1931 🔗

The agents had arrived to serve a federal search warrant in connection with a case involving violent crimes against children

394028 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to alw, #1289 of 1931 🔗

They don’t report any incident like that. They should, but they don’t.

393524 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 18, #1290 of 1931 🔗

RIP Captain Tom, was honoured to share a birthday with you last year. Condolences to his family, they will be in my thoughts as the media and politicians immediately set about exploiting the great man’s death to suit their warped agenda.

Make no mistake – they would have been begging for this to happen.

393543 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Scotty87, 14, #1291 of 1931 🔗

The national virtue signalling circle jerk makes me want to fucking vomit.

393550 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #1292 of 1931 🔗

Whoever said it is Diana 2.0 yesterday is correct. Can’t wait for the state funeral (socially distanced and masked of course).

393562 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to nocheesegromit, 18, #1293 of 1931 🔗

Of course it will be Diana 2.0. The press will push it hard, just to make it so. They’ll be over the moon about the poor old codger kicking the bucket. Now I remember why I don’t watch TV

And where the fuck is the giant flaming asteroid? Not sure I can take much more of this shit.

393594 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1294 of 1931 🔗

Time for another few days radio-silence and social media blackout in my house. Only just finished the last one after Biden’s apotheosis.

393686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1295 of 1931 🔗

Talk Radio 100% Tom, Classic FM all wartime things in memory of him. Ended up with some soothing music on Radio 3 while I was cooking tea. Sad for him to die but he is not the queen.

394040 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1296 of 1931 🔗

A piece of a giant asteroid the size of a cricket ball hitting #10 would suit me to a tee.

393690 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #1297 of 1931 🔗

I hope his family states a quiet family funeral and doesn’t let it become a national outpouring of grief.

393591 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Scotty87, 8, #1298 of 1931 🔗

Why wasn’t he given the jab? It could have given him another ten years. There should be a public enquiry. His blood is on Hancock’s hands!

394152 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cranmer, #1299 of 1931 🔗

“It could have given him another ten years. …”

Do you really think so or are you just …

393648 ▶▶ mj, replying to Scotty87, 8, #1300 of 1931 🔗

as a matter of respect for a national hero, for his funeral the government should close all the shops and declare a national holiday so that everyone can be at home .
Oh, hang on a minute……………

393972 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mj, 1, #1301 of 1931 🔗

There is also the option of an outpouring of mass hysteria – oh, wait a minute…
The trouble is there is only Jonestown left…

393539 Cecil B, 1, #1302 of 1931 🔗

It was just their way of saying thank you

393545 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1303 of 1931 🔗

Spend two minutes watching this PoliticsJOE video “Keir Starmer – I wanna be like you” – it certainly cheered me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi2_2ogPMvo

393588 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1304 of 1931 🔗

Yes it’s good apart from the bit at the end when they say that the Conservative Party is ‘right wing’. As if!!

394021 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cranmer, #1305 of 1931 🔗

It’s only right wing compared to the hard Left.

393551 frankfrankly, 17, #1306 of 1931 🔗

One of the most dangerous mutations is a mutant politician who has mutated away from rational consideration of the evidence and commitment to freedom of expression.

393563 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1307 of 1931 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0202/1194630-govt-suspends-normal-monthly-profiles-of-tax-receipts/

Now I am getting concerned. Ireland is to suspend reporting on its Exchequer finances until April “down to the speed at which the public health situation is evolving and the knock-on impact it’s having on the economy.”

Even at the height (or the depth) of the collapse of the Celtic Tiger, monthly reporting of the State’s financial position was not suspended.

Almost as if they were trying to encourage the Great Reset conspiracy narrative.

393570 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ewan Duffy, -20, #1308 of 1931 🔗

“Almost as if they were trying to encourage the Great Reset conspiracy narrative.”

I think it’s you that’s doing that isn’t it? Was it mentioned? You can read too much into things.

393575 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 20, #1309 of 1931 🔗

Do you get paid extra for contra posting when ever the term “Great Reset” is used?

393584 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ewan Duffy, -18, #1310 of 1931 🔗

I wasn’t the one who mentioned it.

I am not a government troll. I simply take Toby Young’s view on this matter. I have reported this abusive reply and requested that it is removed.

I am entitled to speak here, irrespective of whether you agree with what I say.

Just as much as you are.

I do not agree with your “plandemic conspiracy” theory. That’s just my opinion!

393611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 19, #1311 of 1931 🔗

“I am entitled to speak here, irrespective of whether you agree with what I say.”

As am I.

393622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ewan Duffy, -23, #1312 of 1931 🔗

Indeed you are, but your comment was abuse.

I am also entitled to object to being subject to abuse on here and report it.

In fact, if it continues I may even call the police at some point.

I WARN YOU AM REALLY SICK OF IT !!

393633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to John P, 11, #1313 of 1931 🔗

Call the police…lol…. starting to think you’ve got some grade A premium trolling going on there. Touche.

393823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1314 of 1931 🔗

I thought this initially too, but this sort of outburst is a weekly occurrence – John can’t handle people disagreeing with him, abuses them and then gets upset when they give it back.

John: just leave the site like you’ve said you were going to at least 5 times. Calling the police because someone on the internet hurt your feelings is a bit childish.

393639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John P, 17, #1315 of 1931 🔗

How is his comment anything like abuse? Why do you get so triggered by people disagreeing with your narrative?

You could simply move on and look at plenty of other posts which suit your version of events.

393640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to John P, 14, #1316 of 1931 🔗

Perhaps “the police ” would be interested in all the posts where you abuse people calling them “dullards” and “cretins”

Do yourself a favour, put the drink down and log off for the night

394154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to John P, #1317 of 1931 🔗

Show me on the little dolly where the internet hurt you…….

393590 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ewan Duffy, -21, #1318 of 1931 🔗

I really am disgusted by this abuse. I really am. It’s unacceptable.

Who do you think you are?

393649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to John P, 17, #1319 of 1931 🔗

This is satire …. Right?

393659 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to John P, 11, #1320 of 1931 🔗

John.. That is not abuse .. It is a point of fact that you do post a adverse comment every time that anyone mentions conspiracy or reset. Fine you dont agree but many people do think there is something.

You have every right to disagree, but you can expect others to not agree with you.

Admittedly the comment about being paid extra is OTT. But it is just sarcasm so you should ignore it and acknowledge that there is some robust banter on here

Unfortunately you have done this several times before, when comments have not gone your way and that is why a number of people are a bit cynical.

393693 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, 14, #1321 of 1931 🔗

Abuse.That is not even close.
Do you not think it’s strange that the MSM are not even mentioning the astronomical costs of lockdown.
Our own chancellor has put off his emergency budget until March.
The financial aspect of this is the biggest pointer towards conspiracy.
Remember black Monday.The government have spent a month of black Monday’s.It wouldn’t be possible unless the bankers are in on it.That is a fact.

393834 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John P, 10, #1322 of 1931 🔗

If Bruce or Biker have a go at you, then you’ll know what abuse is

393654 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to John P, 14, #1323 of 1931 🔗

The “Great Reset” is not a theory. It is an open plan to alter virtually all aspects of the economic system. None are trying to hide this.

Agenda 201 is also not a theory. This was an event and we know who attended. They ordered food.

There most certainly is a conspiracy in the legally binding sense of the term. Everything is out in the open.

Powerful financial interests are working in fraudulent ways to consolidate their wealth and power through the various Ponzi schemes of Foundations and Trusts and through various mechanisms of the Biosecurity State apparatus.

Politicians, media parasites and various health officials are fully engaged in this criminal conspiracy and are working hand in glove with these multi-billionaires to enact and further these criminal Ponzi schemes.

This is not too difficult to understand. If at this stage in the game you are still believing this is about some “virus” you are stuck in a fairy tale and are an anchor on humanity.

393661 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Allen, 5, #1324 of 1931 🔗

Anyone who knows about Bretton Woods and the US going off the Gold Standard in ’71 can surely see that a ‘Great Reset’ is not some sort of dark conspiracy, but something that’s been done openly before – NB I don’t mean it’s a good idea, just that the Great Powers can and do get together to totally reset things.

393574 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1325 of 1931 🔗

Probably more likely they want to cover up how broke they are

393578 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Julian, 1, #1326 of 1931 🔗

Ireland was broke in 2010 to 2015 and the figures were not suppressed.

393595 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1327 of 1931 🔗

That was then. This is now.

393681 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1328 of 1931 🔗

Maybe so – just that now it is self inflicted, or even more self inflicted than usual

It’s in their interest to pretend everything is OK while the country is being wrecked

394087 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Julian, #1329 of 1931 🔗

Yes, almost certainly this is the last throw of the financial dice because the situation is now beyond retrieval. If the crash is truly inevitable (IMHO it is) then there is no incentive not to splurge the remaining money (what there is of it) while it still has some value.

393677 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1330 of 1931 🔗

This is absolutely astonishing.

Surely, the givernment has a legal obligation to report on its financial position.

Think about what this implies.

393567 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 37, #1331 of 1931 🔗

Life expectancy when Tom Moore was born was 58.8 years. he lived over four decades longer than that.

393573 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1332 of 1931 🔗

delete and RIP.

393576 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jo Starlin, 24, #1333 of 1931 🔗

Average life expectancy.

You could still live to be a great age even 100 years ago – it’s just that far fewer people did.

Life was less secure in that way in those days.

Part of our current problem is that we seem to think that death is an aberration, when in fact it is a normal part of life. There’s no point in hating it, it will come to us all one day.

Best to make the most of your life while you have it.

393579 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John P, 2, #1334 of 1931 🔗

Yes fair point about that being an average.

393580 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to John P, 22, #1335 of 1931 🔗

I can’t help thinking people like Captain Tom is part of why people seem to think that dying at 75 or 80 is a ‘tragedy’ instead of a normal part of life. No natural death of any person over 70 is.

‘The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.’ (Psalms).

393629 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to John P, 6, #1336 of 1931 🔗

I think that you are absolutely right. In discussing this with my own children they seem to have totally lost the plot about death being a natural, although regrettable, event. Hence to them any death, even in old age, is a failure of the system.

393657 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to isobar, 7, #1337 of 1931 🔗

I remember at the age of 19 I was upset about the death of my grandmother, who was 81. My mother, who is, I am glad to say, of the stiff upper lip generation (as was my grandmother), said something like ‘Don’t be silly, death is a part of life’. At the time it didn’t make sense to me but it does now.

393616 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1338 of 1931 🔗

Still went too young though

394124 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Hubes, #1339 of 1931 🔗

Another death denier!

393587 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 40, #1340 of 1931 🔗

My hatred and disgust towards this government is so great that I wouldn’t put it past them to fake the positive test and make sure that Captain Tom never made it out of hospital alive.

I would never have entertained such theories before March 2020, but we are dealing with the most evil people this country has ever seen.

393601 ▶▶ John P, replying to Scotty87, 11, #1341 of 1931 🔗

Well he was 100 !

People are not immortal.

I’d never even heard of the bloke until last year. I’m sure he was a good man, but no more special than anyone else.

393638 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Scotty87, 12, #1342 of 1931 🔗

Seems that if you value your life at the moment the last place you want to find yourself is in a hospital.

394178 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to happychappy, #1343 of 1931 🔗

Not scared of covid. Scared of the NHS.

393642 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Scotty87, 26, #1344 of 1931 🔗

He got a lot of stick for going to Barbados. Personally I hope he spent the entire holiday in a hot tub full of hip hop honeys. He was used by the media and is still being used.

393749 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1345 of 1931 🔗

Didn’t he joke that he wanted to be surrounded by girls as part of his knighthood celebrations? What a lad

393628 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 21, #1346 of 1931 🔗

I bet Captain Tom was so pissed off that he spent his last summer walking aimlessly around his garden, only for the NHS to waste the £33 million he raised, as they waste all the money they get.

393678 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hubes, 3, #1347 of 1931 🔗

didnt i read last year that the fund went to buy gadgets (not medically related) for NHS employees .

393762 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mj, #1348 of 1931 🔗

They got cash payments.

393707 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hubes, 7, #1349 of 1931 🔗

He should have raised the money for all the people who’ll die because the NHS cancelled their diagnostics and treatments.

Then I wouldn’t think he was just a well-meaning idiot.

393630 DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 19, #1350 of 1931 🔗

Retail Report:

Went to Morrisons Monday night, shop was partially in darkness inside, choosing veg I really needed a torch, we had this during the first lockdown in March.

On the drive to the shop I passed a newish Bentley car, sporting a surgical mask fastened on the radiator grill, much as some cars have poppies. No further comment necessary.

393652 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DoubtingDave, 2, #1351 of 1931 🔗

I hope it made the dozy fucker’s engine overheat.

393656 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DoubtingDave, 3, #1352 of 1931 🔗

No comment from me Dave, just a deep sigh of despair.

393670 ▶▶ mj, replying to DoubtingDave, 5, #1353 of 1931 🔗

probably some wide boy who bought the car from the dosh he made being a government PPE supplier . Probably related to one of the cabinet

393705 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to DoubtingDave, 4, #1354 of 1931 🔗

I put it to you that the Bentley driver was possibly taking the piss?

393721 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to AidanR, 2, #1355 of 1931 🔗

Exactly! I think there’s a danger that some on this site are losing their grip. Understandable given the idiocy we’re subjected to every day by the media, government, and our lunatic fellow citizens.

393742 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alan P, 2, #1356 of 1931 🔗

I think the whole country is slowly sliding into insanity.

393645 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 49, #1357 of 1931 🔗

Re “Captain Tom” – I’m going to shamelessly repost something which was just uploaded onto another forum that I frequent, this hits ALL the nails on the head.

“I really don’t give a flying feck. It’s so obvious that he was put forward as some un-impeachable witness: a little old man! Awwwww look at the little old man, shuffling up and down the garden to raise money, ain’t he so cute – awwwww he’s harmless.

It’s so obvious a propaganda tool. People like this are put up – a crying child, Greta the green imp (although not now of course), David Hogg (tossed aside now he’s older), a crying little old lady, because it’s aimed to emotionally manipulate you and if you do dare criticise such a person then you’re a bad, bad horrible person! Akin to a puppy killer!

He was really old, went to barbados against all the covid guidelines (will not be discussed in the legacy lamestream media), unsurprisingly caught pneumonia – was hospitalised days ago, probably contracted covid either from family/rellies/hospital and that pushed up his overall disease burden and he carked it.

I mean, I’m very sorry for his family and all – he’s had a good innings, but he’s not some fecking national hero. He’s some old geezer who was used as a blatant propaganda tool to emotionally manipulate whole swathes of the population – and they fell for it…

Because most people are fecking stupid.”

393650 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Matt The Cat, 23, #1358 of 1931 🔗

Yeah, pretty much exactly this.

I did however swing by the Daily Mail to troll the virtue signallers.

“Meh, big deal, so what?”

Ooooh boy, they did not like that. Hahahaha….

393666 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to GrannySlayer, 17, #1359 of 1931 🔗

I can imagine. Now if you’d have politely said “How sad, he could have had decades of a healthy life ahead of him if it wasn’t for them covidiot rooolebreakerz …” you’d probably have 100+ green arrows, or whatever it is.

Daily Wail readers = the barometer of National Stupidity.

393672 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #1360 of 1931 🔗

Hmm… good idea, brb.

393689 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 15, #1361 of 1931 🔗

I have literally got goose bumps and tears reading this.”

“I can picture him now doing his final lap to those pearly gates to heaven with his Zimmer frame.”

“I don’t normally shed a tear at the news but for Sir Tom I was very saddened!”

jesus. fucking. christ.

393703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #1362 of 1931 🔗

St Peter: “Would you pack that in? You’re putting ruts in the Garden of Eden.”

393908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AidanR, #1363 of 1931 🔗

delete

393712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1364 of 1931 🔗

“He really was the People’s geriatric”.

They say there’s a “New Religion” coming. Looks like the “Cap” is going to be its first prophet/saint.

Pass the pearl-encrusted, gold-plated,celestial sick-bucket.

393722 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Matt The Cat, 17, #1365 of 1931 🔗

Hahaha. Jesus, it’s a troll goldmine over there. Just a simple ‘whatever’ scores 97 downvotes and endless bile. It’s amazing how vicious the virtue signallers really are, underneath all of that virtue signalling. Really quite twisted replies. Fascinating.

393844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #1366 of 1931 🔗

We should go on there and start a campaign for social distancing and lockdown to be lifted for one day in order for Captain Tom to have a state funeral. Anyone who opposes that obviously hates him and everything he stands for.

393723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #1367 of 1931 🔗

If you want to retain your sanity, keep off the MSM for at least a week to avoid the Great Holy Tomfest.

393726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1368 of 1931 🔗

Lol!

393700 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Matt The Cat, 9, #1369 of 1931 🔗

You’re dead right ,but I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that DM readers are of above average intelligence.

Think about that .

393855 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to AidanR, 1, #1370 of 1931 🔗

But I expect their comments are removed by the moderators.

393687 ▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1371 of 1931 🔗

Any of them bothered that his family were allowed in to visit him?

393724 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Coronabonus, 3, #1372 of 1931 🔗

Nah, they’re all too busy bleeding out their hearts to give it much thought.

393783 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1373 of 1931 🔗

I’d like to do the same but the site is appalling

393658 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Matt The Cat, 5, #1374 of 1931 🔗

“unsurprisingly caught pneumonia” I doubt there is any correlation between going to Barbados and developing pneumonia.

393660 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Hubes, 9, #1375 of 1931 🔗

When you’re 100 years old and you embark upon intercontinental air travel, it’s not going to enhance your chances of NOT contracting it.

393676 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Matt The Cat, 3, #1376 of 1931 🔗

incontinence travel?

393755 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #1377 of 1931 🔗

Don’t forget his service and there are not too many left who served in World War 2, right through. We should celebrate these individuals. Yes he was used as a propaganda tool last year but we should never forget.

393846 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nottingham69, 7, #1378 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely. I’m pretty sure any mockery on here is directed at how his good works have been manipulated for political ends, not towards him personally.

393870 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1379 of 1931 🔗

The most sensible comment on this matter I’ve seen.

393811 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #1380 of 1931 🔗

He had cancer too – skin and prostate.

393646 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1381 of 1931 🔗

At least the MSM have said that Tom Moore died WITH and not OF.

393664 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1382 of 1931 🔗

Not Bloomberg…

393671 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JayBee, #1383 of 1931 🔗

STRANGE!!!

393751 ▶▶ ian j, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1384 of 1931 🔗

And they have hinted that he picked it up in hospital while being treated for pneumonia – Who is the hero now?

393759 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1385 of 1931 🔗

People generally do not grasp this distinction. It’s a fireproof distortion (in journalistic terms).

393779 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1386 of 1931 🔗

Not the Daily Mail

393665 Allen, replying to Allen, 18, #1387 of 1931 🔗

All manner of legal letters regarding virtually every aspect of “Covid legality” can be found here:

https://miriaf.webs.com/site-index

Fight back.

393698 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Allen, 4, #1388 of 1931 🔗

That’s a good resource indeed. Bookmarked.

Thanks! 😀

393692 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 17, #1389 of 1931 🔗

Twitter has went into a “pass the sick bucket” meltdown over captain Tom’s passing.

Yes, it’s a shame & all that, but people really really do need to get a grip here, he was 100 years old FFS!!! It’s life…we are all going to die wether we like that thought or not.

See If this had been this time last year, it would not be headlining news & most folk wouldn’t have given a shit (myself included)
But….because he raised £32 million for the shitty NHS….he gained a knighthood & national hero status.

& if he had not done all of the above, & had just been some normal 100 year old from a council estate**, would there still be the unbelievably sickening out pouring of grief over his passing? I really don’t think there would be.

**I have nothing against any council estate btw, I used that term to try make my point & not to cause offence to anyone on here*

393704 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #1390 of 1931 🔗

Consider , he was 100 and 9months.

394284 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Silke David, #1391 of 1931 🔗

Tragically robbed of three months to get to 101 – it was probably those evil lockdown sceptics what did it and cut him down in the prime of his Methuselah life.

393719 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 12, #1392 of 1931 🔗

So how did his family get to be by his side when so many others are dying alone?

We had a family friend die of terminal cancer recently on a zoom call to her family from her hospital bed as she as refused all human contact in her last days.

One rule for the plebs, another for the “special people”.

393738 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1393 of 1931 🔗

I agree, that also doesn’t get mentioned, that he was allowed his family members beside him when the vast majority of people are not allowed in any hospital to visit someone.

393694 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 23, #1394 of 1931 🔗

Just wait until the wokeys find out that Captain Tom Cobbley touched a woman’s bottom without consent in 1947.

That’ll put paid to this hysteria. And substitute it with a different one.

393717 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to AidanR, 3, #1395 of 1931 🔗

It was different in the old days.

393731 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, #1396 of 1931 🔗

Sounds like something an apologist for slavery would say.

393741 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to AidanR, 4, #1397 of 1931 🔗

I’m only joking!

393753 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, 2, #1398 of 1931 🔗

Me too.

393761 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AidanR, 1, #1399 of 1931 🔗

Or once made a racially charged remark in a telegram

393802 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, 2, #1400 of 1931 🔗

I’m not sure what Captain Tom was in during the war (Tanks, I think). But imagine if he was in the Indian Army and some picture came to light of him with an Indian servant. Cue gnashing and wailing in the press about the evils of our colonial past &c &c &c

393708 davews, replying to davews, 10, #1401 of 1931 🔗

I mentioned in a post yesterday that the holiday I had booked last April down in Sidmouth clearly didn’t happen, the hotel closed and up for sale. Got another email today (clearly still on their email distribution) that Methodist Guild Hotels which ran it has now been placed into administration. Many others no doubt to follow.

393725 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to davews, 8, #1402 of 1931 🔗

You should be able to buy the property outright now with what you were going to pay for a week there last year.

Just do it, then when you’ve finished with it, put it on ebay.

393794 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, 2, #1403 of 1931 🔗

If only. High house prices are protected by the banks/government at all costs – we saw that in the ’08 crisis.

394064 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1404 of 1931 🔗

Wait till the financial crisis hits the banks. There was a man in the 30’s who offered the owner of a hotel an ounce of gold for it.

I could see this sort of history repeating itself.

394207 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RichardJames, #1405 of 1931 🔗

In the 30s the US at least, was on the Gold Standard, so I can imagine such a story. Now we live in la-la-land where the Bank of Rishi prints more bank notes than the supermarkets sell lavatory paper.

393734 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to davews, 1, #1406 of 1931 🔗

Exactly.

Which shows just how out of touch Hancock is when he suggests we should all holiday in the UK this summer.
Unless everyone goes camping, just like everyone used to do before they could book cheap flights to Spain.

393714 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #1407 of 1931 🔗

Re: the vaccine, Gibraltar, post January death spike etc

My hypothesis is that the elderly are getting the vaccine and feeling so bad they end up in hospital where they catch covid

Just chatting to a nurse friend who had the vaccine last week – felt terrible – worse than flu – couldn’t cope for 2 days. She’s only 40. Imagine what that would do to a 90 year old

393728 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, #1408 of 1931 🔗

Do we know which vax she had? AZ, Pfister or other?

393744 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to AidanR, 1, #1409 of 1931 🔗

Pfizer – the Frankenvaccine

393793 ▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to steve_w, 1, #1410 of 1931 🔗

The Pfizer one is bad news if you’ve already had COVID. Plenty of nurses reporting bad reactions.

393729 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to steve_w, 9, #1411 of 1931 🔗

“Imagine what that would do to a 90 year old”

I imagine it could kill them.
Which is why my sister and I are refusing to have my 86 year-old mother vaccinated, especially after she’s already tested positive and recovered.

393718 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #1412 of 1931 🔗

I believe this was attached to yesterday’s LDS email, but just in case anyone doesn’t get that (I don’t as it goes), just thought I’d leave this here. It is a really good piece by a relative of an acquaintance, and worthy of being published in any good newspaper (if one existed!).

https://notesonreading.com/risks-and-harms-the-consequences-of-our-response-to-a-virus

393735 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to CGL, 4, #1413 of 1931 🔗

Very good, that. Thanks for posting!

393804 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to CGL, 2, #1414 of 1931 🔗

This was so good. Thank you. 🙂

393869 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CGL, 1, #1415 of 1931 🔗

Thanks, that’s a really superb bit of writing.

393730 John P, replying to John P, -30, #1416 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just been speaking to one of my clients on the telephone. A welcome distraction from squabbles on this site.

I don’t actually ever say here what it is I do for a living, but I am self employed and work from home. Why don’t I say what I do? I really just want to keep that side of my life entirely separate from this side. I don’t want to mix it in with this. I don’t want to talk about my work here. That is my right. I am entitled to some privacy.

I generally have quite peaceful days, then I come on here, half expecting just to be able to have a grumble about the continued nonsense and then often get embroiled with those who obsess over the WEF and their (I’m not going to capitalise it “great reset”.) Often spitting abuse my way for disagreeing with them about it.

I’ve said so many times that I really don’t think that “they” are going to take over. I just don’t care about the WEF. I don’t think it is as important as some of you here do. Sorry, that’s just my opinion! (Opinions can be wrong. Mine too, but I can see no reason to change it over this matter.)

I take Toby Young’s view on this matter. Some of you make false accusations against me because I don’t share your views on the so-called “great reset”. Do you also think that Toby Young is working for the government? And if so, why do you come here? It’s his site!

Why not form your own website where you can discuss your fears about the “great reset” without anyone disagreeing with you about it?

I was close to calling the police, but I’ve calmed down now. I any event, I would expect they have better things to do than shut down the comment threads of this site.

But you need to understand that I do not like the abuse and the unfounded (and false!) accusations that some of you here feel you are entitled to make.

It’s really horrible and I don’t like it.

393736 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John P, 28, #1417 of 1931 🔗

Well, go away, then.

393743 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to John P, 26, #1418 of 1931 🔗

Calling the police? WTF guy?

More dried frog pills, nurse!

393748 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 26, #1419 of 1931 🔗

John – you’re getting this way out of proportion.

393752 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John P, 23, #1420 of 1931 🔗

John, you write some great posts and you have really well thought out points to make – but this post is not one of them

393754 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John P, 23, #1421 of 1931 🔗

Unfortunately that’s a problem with social media etc – you need to not take it personally, expect peopel to disagree with you quite vehemently at times (but here is pretty civillised no matter how upset you are getting recently, have you been on some other sites? Some are really nasty and would upset you), you need to have a thick skin, not take it seriously and just shrug it off.

Copy David Icke’s attitude.

If you can’t and you are taking things that seriously they are making you mentally ill I’d say you’re not really suited emotionally to the cut and thrust of social media so give it up rather than making yourself ill. It’s not worth it.

As for the Police, they would probably enjoy closing down a website that questions the officially mandated narrative. They don’t seem to want to do anything else or deal with minor offences like drugs, stabbings and so on.

393765 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 7, #1422 of 1931 🔗

“I was close to calling the police”

I am not in the UK – try harder.

393890 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1423 of 1931 🔗

europol? interpol? International rescue? Avengers (both Marvel and Steed/Peel) John Wick? Ghostbusters?

393767 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to John P, 14, #1424 of 1931 🔗

“They” ??
You mean nearly every national leader? The President of Communist China? The leader of the UN? President Macron and Chancellor Merkel? Christine Lagarde, leader of the IMF? Ursula Von Der Leyen from the EU?

https://www.weforum.org/events/the-davos-agenda-2021
“The Davos Agenda is a pioneering mobilization of global leaders to shape the principles, policies and partnerships needed in this challenging new context. It is essential for leaders from all walks of life to work together virtually for a more inclusive, cohesive and sustainable future as soon as possible in 2021”

Hate to break it to you, but they’re already in charge. They’ve already destroyed the economy and small businesses and jobs, although not quite as efficiently as Joe Biden and his multitude of Executive Orders.
It’s as much about setting global policy as the International Panel on Climate Change. Our government has signed up to a carbon zero economic agenda, phasing out petrol and diesel cars by 2030, getting rid of gas boilers, carpeting the landscape with wind turbines….

You can explain it away as our imagination, but the WEF is not exactly making a secret of what they’re trying to do, and they have world leaders and business leaders on board with their plans.

393792 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to LMS2, 11, #1425 of 1931 🔗

It’s not a conspiracy when they tell you what they are doing and then begin to enact policy.

393772 ▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to John P, 11, #1426 of 1931 🔗

Stop abusing people yourself then. YOU have posted far more abuse to others than I see posted to you.

Honestly you should go and see someone, I mean this in the best way possible, but your reactions are not those of a rational person.

393780 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to John P, 13, #1427 of 1931 🔗

John – there is a broad range of views on this site, even more so in the comments section. I think there is a need to see the commonality of the cause we are all fighting (i.e. lockdowns are destructive and something to be pushed back against) rather than the nuance of why each of us believe lockdowns are wrong. I don’t believe that we need to have spats / arguments about whose version is correct (only time / history will tell us that), but rather focus on the main issue in hand.

The involvement of the police with this site could end badly, damaging the support that so many of us have (and have had) from this website, which is the only thing that has kept many of us sane in these dark days of COVID.

Please, at the risk of sounding condescending, could you just move on from opinions and ideas that are at odds with your own – there are enough ranges of opinion to find others who will support your views.

393807 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to John P, 10, #1428 of 1931 🔗

John I am not fully on board with the Great reset stuff either (yet)but doesn’t mean I am totally opposed to it. I welcome everyones opinion and view on here and respect it. The main crux of this site is that we are anti-lockdown. You do provide lots of valid points and it’s healthy to come here and have a moan with everything going on, so take a chill pill.

393893 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to John P, 3, #1429 of 1931 🔗

Hi John,

Understand that sometimes people can get heated when they really believe something and cannot ‘get through’ to the person on the other end of a keyboard.

It’s amplified by the fact most of us only communicate with other human beings on this site or online somewhere.

It’s sad but true I’m afraid.

Regardless of if you believe in the great reset, the WEF, 5G or aliens it’s a point of view.

Sometimes I find myself pulling my hair out…but I take a breath and all is well again (and a few beers!)

393906 ▶▶ DRW, replying to John P, 2, #1430 of 1931 🔗

If you’re not liking it on here John just give it a rest for a few days and come back if you feel better.

393931 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to John P, 3, #1431 of 1931 🔗

John, no one abused you. We are of one mind against the lockdowns, but what is the point of discussing or debating anything unless there are differences of opinion from time to time. The police would not be at all interested if you contacted them.

394191 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to John P, 1, #1432 of 1931 🔗

Strangely, you are the only one down here who gets that much “abuse”. Have you noticed this? Have you ever wondered why? You threatened to call the police!!! I defended you a week or two ago. Threatening to call the police has ensured that I won`t do that twice.

393732 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1433 of 1931 🔗

One question that came to mind watching Old Tom on the “news” is where is Queenie?

No word of sight of her since the announcement her and Phillip had had the jab a few weeks ago – not thta she’s done much except knight Old Tom and keep out of the way for the past year.

393785 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, #1434 of 1931 🔗

Isolating at Sandringham I think.

393739 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 9, #1435 of 1931 🔗

Just heard on the Radio 4 news that latest research shows the Astra Z vaccine has shown to be highly effective at stopping transmission. Hmmmm will be interesting how this plays out …..

393852 ▶▶ Will, replying to Marialta, #1436 of 1931 🔗

Until we see what happens in NZ we won’t know if it has stopped transmission or if we have reached herd immunity.

393745 JohnDanny, 2, #1437 of 1931 🔗

Wokeyleaks:

https://youtu.be/VvjxePsmYqg

Hold on tight, this is gonna be fun.

393746 mj, replying to mj, 10, #1438 of 1931 🔗

latest council email touting for positive tests
after advising that yet more test centres will be available ….

“Who should get a rapid test? We are asking everyone who is unable to avoid leaving home for work to get a rapid test. Many people are already doing this every 3-5 days. A regular test helps keep their families safe and gives them piece of mind.
You can only get a rapid test if you have no symptoms .
Pharmacies can offer tests to those aged 11 years and over, other sites offer tests to those aged 16 and over.”

and then it repeats the symptoms including the precautionary symptoms . i.e a runny nose and a request a test for them .

its a farce

393764 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mj, 2, #1439 of 1931 🔗

piece of mind

393768 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1440 of 1931 🔗

Well, they certainly haven’t got a full one…

393945 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1441 of 1931 🔗

They can have a piece of mine.

393854 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to mj, 1, #1442 of 1931 🔗

Why does a rapid test keep your family safe? Surely if you test positive! one day it’s too late!

393750 Nobody2021, 2, #1443 of 1931 🔗

Just found this article on Covid Denial. It’s US focused but seems that Scepticism is widespread and the accusations of denialism are also universal. Dated 23 Dec, 2020:

Let’s put the straw man of pandemic denial out of his misery

Listen to the chorus and you’d come to think that our biggest problem in responding to the pandemic comes from Americans who think Covid-19 is a hoax — the so-called Covid denialists.

But the claim is a straw man: there is no epidemic of pandemic denial. Polls since March have shown that Americans overwhelmingly aren’t in denial: They believe the threat of Covid-19 is real, they are reasonably good at identifying medical misinformation, and they are largely complying with public health recommendations. Compared to their peers in Europe, Americans are more willing to get vaccinated against Covid-19, similarly likely to wear masks, and no more prone to believe common conspiracy theories about the pandemic’s origins.

The U.S.’s response to Covid-19 has been bungled in many respects, but widespread public denial doesn’t explain why.

393758 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 27, #1444 of 1931 🔗

Headlines you won’t see part 7,658:

‘Man, 100, dies with Covid after breaking lockdown rules to go on holiday.’

393760 ▶▶ ian j, replying to Cranmer, #1445 of 1931 🔗

and apparently picking it up in hospital while being treated for pneumonia

393770 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1446 of 1931 🔗

Captain Tom is the new Gary Matthews.

393788 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1447 of 1931 🔗

Nor the bit where he was admitted to hospital with pneumonia…

393775 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 10, #1448 of 1931 🔗

Hi everyone. I’m really proud of our latest podcast. Tobes featured the wrong one yesterday (and I sent him the wrong link!

Here’s the episode you should have listened to:

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7584277-ep-18-politics-science-europe-and-hope

Interviewing a clinical pshychologist on Friday about mask wearing and safetyism. She contacted us as she ‘s seeing a huge increase in depression/alcoholism/dom violence at her CBT clinic. Should be interesting.

Remember to sub to us on you (dreaded) itunes or wherever you get you pods, and leave us a review too.

Thanks!

393777 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 19, #1449 of 1931 🔗

If you were made the People’s Judge, Jury and Executioner for the Covidberg Trials and given a Webley who would get the six bullets?

For me it would be:-

  1. Feargoeson
  2. Fat Boy
  3. HankieCock
  4. Witless
  5. Valium
  6. Michie-witchy

I guess I could use the butt to finish off SlimyGove and Cummings-and-Goings.

Sod it, pass me the Uzi.

393781 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1450 of 1931 🔗

if you stand a few back to front you could get more mileage out of the bullets

393784 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1451 of 1931 🔗

Dum-dums would be appropriate.

393798 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1452 of 1931 🔗

probably not

393809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1453 of 1931 🔗

Dumb-dumbs?

393812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1454 of 1931 🔗

they break up more on first contact

393819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1455 of 1931 🔗

But the mess is good right? I’ll take that.

393790 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1456 of 1931 🔗

O’Neil is a hot new entry. Straight in at number 4.

393806 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1457 of 1931 🔗

Peerless Moron
Peter Horrorby

There’s just too many of them. Pack all the b*ggers in a rocket and fire it into the sun.

393808 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1458 of 1931 🔗

Same but in this order – Michie , wancock, feargoeson , witless , Valium then actually Blair instead of Bojo he could go on trial !

393824 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1459 of 1931 🔗

Good to see you too have Michie in your sights as a prime mover in this nastiness.

393821 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1460 of 1931 🔗

Don’t forget Wee Krankie and Chairman Turtlehead.

393842 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DRW, 2, #1461 of 1931 🔗

The devolved nations can deal with their own mess. Mops will be provided.

393943 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1462 of 1931 🔗

Anybody got a nuclear mop?

393827 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #1463 of 1931 🔗

only 6! the agony of choosing, it’s worse than a box of Thornton’s! you’ve picked out some top choices, admittedly, but it still leaves out Drakeford, Sturgid, Piers Morgan, the Devil Sridhar – surely they’ve got to go up against the wall as well? and what about that Neil o’Brien (aka ‘knob’) Cressida Dick? Keir Starmer? I could go on

393839 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1464 of 1931 🔗

Dickless and Staremore. Khan’t – how could I forget him!

393853 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1465 of 1931 🔗

The other question is, if you were to make a human centipede who would go where? I want fat blonde cunt at the arse end, sucking shit out of HandsonCocks ass (role reversal), in fact I want all of them to eat shit, so funguson is third last.

393910 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Skippy, 2, #1466 of 1931 🔗

Oh, dear. I really am tittering at this. Too funny 🙂

393913 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1467 of 1931 🔗

In fact, I’m bloody crying at it now. Thanks for the laugh, that’s really tickled me.

393946 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Skippy, 3, #1468 of 1931 🔗

There’s enough of them to get them in a circle actually, so that’s entirely possible.

393959 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to sophie123, 1, #1469 of 1931 🔗

OuroBoris?

393966 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Skippy, 1, #1470 of 1931 🔗

Poetic.

393889 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1471 of 1931 🔗

It’s an Uzi for me too, please.

393892 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1472 of 1931 🔗

And add that Priti fucking useless Patel to the line-up too.

393941 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1473 of 1931 🔗

Yeah. She could be tied to a rubber dinghy and pushed out to sea…never to return.

393954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to sophie123, #1474 of 1931 🔗

An excellent solution for her, Sophie

393909 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1475 of 1931 🔗

Oooh that’s a tricky one. Please excuse offensive language.
Mine would be, in order:

1) Wanksock: because he’s a freaking weirdo, who’s obsessed with himself and has forced school closures to hide the fact that he has failed to resource the NHS properly for the winter. Also all the testing bollocks. And for failing to understand basic stats (witness his interview with JHB last autumn on false positives) despite it being fairly critical to understanding the limitations of the testing bollocks. And yet he looks so smug all the time. Retard.
Bullet, back of the head. But I might shoot his nuts off first.

2) Gove: Providing support to the above. And also looking smug about it.
I’d make him run for 10 miles with savage dogs chasing him, because he’s fat and needs the exercise, and then shoot him.

3) Vallance: I KNOW he has lied about stuff (the denial of T cell immunity as a thing for example). Why? not for money. He’s not a money focused person. He’s very political though. I am pathologically honest, and despise liars.
Straight between the eyes, looking him in the face “because you’re a LIAR, Patrick. This is for my children and the year of their lives and education you have stolen.”

4) Witless: for being downright pathetic and not focusing on the bigger picture of the health harms of lockdown. YOU ARE A DOCTOR!!!! surely you’ve heard of “first, do no harm”? SO WHY MASKS????? and plenty of other examples.
I’d suffocate him with a giant pile of masks.

5) Johnson: Ditto. And he is the FUCKING PRIME MINISTER. WHY is he letting himself be bossed about by the useless Wanksock? And failing to look at the bigger picture and longer term view. Political short termism in extremis.
I’d shoot his toes off, then his dick (symbolic), then in the face.

6) That education buffoon Frank Spencer lookalike for failing to stand up for our children sufficiently.
Drowning. Like a witch. I’m not sure he’s worth a bullet. I could save the bullet then for whatever fuckwit it was in the Times on Saturday who slagged off Desmond Swayne and said he was an idiot (when he himself looked like a jug earred village idiot) for not being petrified of a virus which has not killed 99.9% of the population in the past year. I would make him lick shit off Desmond’s shoes (though he’s not fit for it) for hours first before dispatching him though.

I don’t have Ferguson on there as basically he’s just a crank nutter, who should probably be gibbering away in a padded cell somewhere. The bigger issue is WHY is anyone listening to him? He’s been proven to be wrong umpteen times in the past…surely he was totally discredited long before this covid nonsense kicked off? I think he’s just a useful idiot (/madman)

I should probably have Cummings, because I suspect he was behind a lot of it. I’d tie him to Frank Spencer and they could drown together maybe?

Hmmm.

Edited to say: In case the police are reading this I am actually a very law abiding (pre pandemic bullshit laws anyway) professional middle class mother and no intention of actually shooting anybody. But I do think about it a lot and also think about shooting Cressida Dick quite a bit, given her encouragement of harassment of non-mask wearers, which is is actually encouraging criminal behaviour, come to think of it. Arrest her now!

393928 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to sophie123, 3, #1476 of 1931 🔗

I like your idea of tailoring the punishment to the perp.

393940 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1477 of 1931 🔗

I enjoyed your post far too much.

393948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 1, #1478 of 1931 🔗

Catharsis (honest officer.)

393953 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1479 of 1931 🔗

Officer: what’s catharsis? Is that a new virus?

393964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Alice, 1, #1480 of 1931 🔗

It’s extremely dangerous to cat’s bottoms.

393967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1481 of 1931 🔗

Cat’s catarrh!

393957 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1482 of 1931 🔗

I am in a creative frame of mind, this evening.

393958 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to sophie123, 1, #1483 of 1931 🔗

Girl after my own heart, Sophie!

393787 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 20, #1484 of 1931 🔗

The Liverpool variant. Why didn’t I think of choosing that one in the sweepstake?

Wanksock now like a killer in a frenzy. Lies coming thick and fast now. I bet Whitty and co are struggling to keep up.

393799 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1485 of 1931 🔗

He must be nearing the burn-out phase now. Mustn’t he?

393810 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1486 of 1931 🔗

He’s probably wondering what he’s got to do to get caught.

393817 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1487 of 1931 🔗

He’s signed every trolling letter he’s posted to the Police but they seem more interested in old folk resting on benches.

393828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 9, #1488 of 1931 🔗

You just know that there is a sizeable group of people say at home, already shit scared of the DA variant. Now also pooing themselves over the Scouse super Covid. It is absolutely pathetic that they get to churn out this shit and it gets gobbled up without question.

393831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1489 of 1931 🔗

Both my parish church and a local food shop (neither of which had to close) have now done so because of ‘the new variant’.

393837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1490 of 1931 🔗

Well there you go I honestly thought people were past gobbling this shite up. I thought it was basic knowledge that viruses mutate and the mutations become weaker. It’s a good thing!

393944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1491 of 1931 🔗

I wonder how much of it is just face-saving. The shop is, I think, a hobby-jobby so perhaps does not rely on trading for an income. As for the church, it’s probably incredibly depressing to set up all the covid nonsense (tape, sanitizer, track ‘n’ trace etc) only for about three masked people to shuffle in and sit at opposite ends of the building.

393924 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1492 of 1931 🔗

Jimmy Savile had the same problem…

393825 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #1493 of 1931 🔗

‘Doctor, doctor, I think I’ve got the Liverpool Variant.’
‘Alright, calm down calm down calm down….’

393832 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1494 of 1931 🔗

He obviously broke the Covid Rules by never walking alone.

393962 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1495 of 1931 🔗

Patient: Doctor, my leg hurts in three places.
Doctor: Don’t go to those places.

(Tommy Cooper)

393789 Silke David, 18, #1496 of 1931 🔗

Channel 4 news intro, at least he is not wearing a black tie and armband.

No10 at half mast. Seriously? They did not do that for 100k dead.

There is only one word: Despicable.

Apologies to his family, who are hopefully keeping MSM off.

393791 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 35, #1497 of 1931 🔗

Earlier I drove past a bus stop with yet another disgusting, perpetual propaganda sign on it, the main headline stating ‘Covid-19 thrives on human contact’. What fucked uppery is that?!
There will be some permanently scarred messed up people of all ages from the likes of that.

393796 ▶▶ jos, replying to Ganjan21, 18, #1498 of 1931 🔗

I thrive on human contact as do we all.

393951 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to jos, 1, #1499 of 1931 🔗

I prefer cats. They are always sane even if they sometimes appear not to be.

393814 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1500 of 1931 🔗

Anyone still listening to this crap deserve all they get.

393822 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ganjan21, #1501 of 1931 🔗

I would be tempted to replace ‘Covid 19’ with ‘humans’.

393858 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1502 of 1931 🔗

Don’t humans thrive on human contact too?

393877 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to suitejb, 10, #1503 of 1931 🔗

Psychology 1.01. Relationships are key. Harlow’s monkeys experiment showed how the monkeys almost always grew up disturbed without emotional warmth. It’s hippy as fuck but true – hugs are health.

393932 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to suitejb, 3, #1504 of 1931 🔗

Not just thrive. Survive. No human contact, no human.

393979 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1505 of 1931 🔗

‘Covid-19 thrives on human contact’. So does the clap but we don’t see adverts for that.

393797 Janette, 9, #1506 of 1931 🔗

Just watched latest video from Vernon Coleman on Brand New Tube. It’s very emotional and a must watch.

393801 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 23, #1507 of 1931 🔗

Wait for tomorrow’s headlines: “SICK covid deniers TROLL Captain Tom’s family!!!” “Conspiracy theorists claim hero was a HOLOGRAM!!!”

393805 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #1508 of 1931 🔗

I think I’ve just outdone myself on DM trolling.

“This is so sad it’s really difficult to jerk off to.”

393815 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 15, #1509 of 1931 🔗

If you like trolling, have a crack at the Metro newspaper website. I’ve done a few on there in the guise of an ultra-obedient lockdown fanatic – ie, telling people off for saying we should wear masks when it is clear we should wear at least two, etc.

393850 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1510 of 1931 🔗

Which particular article is that on? I’ll give you an extra tick upwards, if I can find your comment.

393882 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1511 of 1931 🔗

Actually, scrub that. I just dipped my toes into the water and the schmooze was enough to make them curl.

393884 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nymeria, #1512 of 1931 🔗

It’s really really bad.

393883 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1513 of 1931 🔗

It lasted about 10 minutes. The comment I mean.

393895 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1514 of 1931 🔗

I guessed it wouldn’t last long 🙂 And yes, it is really, really bad. I don’t think I’ll be heading that way anytime soon.

393816 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1515 of 1931 🔗

Not getting at you in particular – but this obsessing about things like Captain Tom doesn’t change anything. Sorry – but currently there’s far too much repetitive pointlessness here. Blowing off steam is OK – in moderation …. But links to actual information or new thoughts are more interesting.

We know what the media will do with this sort of stuff, and banging on about it will change jack shit.

393907 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 2, #1516 of 1931 🔗

I take your point, I’m just anticipating the ridiculous deflections from reality that are in the pipeline for tomorrow.

394203 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, #1517 of 1931 🔗

Give it a rest.

393861 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1518 of 1931 🔗

He had a good innings at 100 yrs. He was also extra lucky he got a free trip to Barbados whilst in tier 4 I think plus his family could say goodbye at his bedside and not on zoom like many others.

393915 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Suzyv, 3, #1519 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely.

393950 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Suzyv, 5, #1520 of 1931 🔗

Yes, he did well out of it all. Good for him (except I wish he’d raised money for a small, needy military charity than the NHS where it’ll disappear into a black hole or the managers’ pockets) and he’s done well for his family too, that they could all share in his good fortune. Who wouldn’t want that for their family?

I don’t say it’s wrong his family should have been with him – what is wrong is that we wouldn’t be allowed to be with OUR oldies in the same situation.

393826 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 19, #1521 of 1931 🔗

South Africa now taking umbrage at the SA Variant Lies and Rhetoric of Matt Handcock and the leader of the regime here in the UK.

https://www.nicd.ac.za/no-evidence-that-501-v2-variant-is-more-dangerous-than-uk-variant/

France has tightened border restrictions. The problem for many here in the UK, and there are millions of people with overseas families who want to see their loved ones, is that these political pillocks here in the UK are making false statements which scare the rest of the world and make it hard and harder for anyone to travel, anywhere at all.

393848 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to theanalyst, 13, #1522 of 1931 🔗

I watched an American news report.They said the English version was the one they are worried about.
Why does the government want to stop us leaving the country;it’s so we have no point of reference.
This is a global coup and Governments across the world are following a plan,it is obvious now.

393938 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1523 of 1931 🔗

In Australia they are being told it is the ”UK strain”. Why is our government doing this to us?
I looked at the Canada website (as that’s where we travel most). They don’t want us. I pity those people with families who are being torn apart.

393975 ▶▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Banjones, 3, #1524 of 1931 🔗

My wife is really, really unhappy about this – she is on a Zoom call with here mates – one German lady in Berlin and the other with family in India. I bet they are talking about just this subject. Her parents were meant to come at Xmas and then last week. Could not happen. They are missing us, and their Grand kids / Great Grandchild.

393933 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1525 of 1931 🔗

A bit like East Germany then.
We are being presented as the plague pit of the world – and other countries’ governments are going along with it. They must KNOW that the statistics are all tripe. I’m sick of getting emails from friends overseas expressing their dismay at our ”sufferings” – and they mean from this almost non-existent virus.
This is beyond ludicrous. But how do we counter it?

393980 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to theanalyst, 4, #1526 of 1931 🔗

Germany is in hysterics about the British variant.

393994 ▶▶ ituex, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1527 of 1931 🔗

Absolutely. There is no thought as to the wider consequences of their words or actions.

394050 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1528 of 1931 🔗

Variant Nationalism raising it’s ugly head lol

394089 ▶▶▶ theanalyst, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #1529 of 1931 🔗

Pure Xenophobia – I’m lucky….had my first French Language tutorial today so I will work hard improving my French to get a joint UK / French nationality after my Exam (that I must pass) in May. Might help me travel but who knows.

Ironic that I voted for Brexit thinking it would be great.

I stand corrected. World has changed.

393836 leggy, replying to leggy, 60, #1530 of 1931 🔗

The Mail ran an article today on a study that purported to show that if you’d already beaten this virus and had antibodies, you’d only need one dose of the jab. I commented along the lines of “Why would you need a jab if you have antibodies, you’re immune – though I guess that doesn’t make anyone any money” – last time I checked there were 150+ upticks and a few down.

Well, I just had my first comment ever removed 🙂

Due to the number of complaints received, your comment has been removed from MailOnline.

Guess the truth hurts!

393840 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to leggy, 5, #1531 of 1931 🔗

One wonders how many complaints are needed to override 15 upticks?

393851 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basileus, 8, #1532 of 1931 🔗

How many complaints do you need to remove a post. None, you just need a bent media.

393859 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1533 of 1931 🔗

A single phone call from the CEO of Pfizer.

393849 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to leggy, 8, #1534 of 1931 🔗

I’ve just had a comment removed from there too about 2 mins ago. Too close to the truth about the vaccine.

393856 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Suzyv, 18, #1535 of 1931 🔗

Oh, a development!

We would like to let you know that your comment made on “COVID-19 survivors may only need one vaccine dose because they already have high levels of antibodies, study suggests” 02/02/2021 at 16:15 has been re-instated on MailOnline.

Less than half the previous upticks remaining though! How odd. Maybe you’ll get the same.

393864 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to leggy, 3, #1536 of 1931 🔗

How very odd.

393857 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to leggy, 4, #1537 of 1931 🔗

Perfectly reasonable comment.

393901 ▶▶ theanalyst, replying to leggy, 4, #1538 of 1931 🔗

Cool – they are on overdrive and on steroids. I wonder whether some people who work in the media are on financial commission relating to the number of jabs. I’m pretty sure some are. Gates would at least have thought about it more than once. He really is a very good businessman I’m afraid.

393925 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1539 of 1931 🔗

Yes, indeed. What a pity he doesn’t have a moral compass.

393923 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 2, #1540 of 1931 🔗

It’s a long one, but it goes into what you’re saying. No doubt there are many people questioning this:
https://anchor.fm/sharylattkisson/episodes/After-Hours-CDC-misinformation-about-COVID-19-vaccines-The-Audiotapes-epkot9

394140 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Banjones, #1541 of 1931 🔗

Good stuff thanks. Sharyl Attkisson is outstanding, always interesting stuff that you rarely see elsewhere.

393847 CGL, replying to CGL, 8, #1542 of 1931 🔗

Anyone posted this yet?
https://twitter.com/C1Haywood/status/1354417928007987205

I don’t think our police force will ever have any respect now.

393862 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 5, #1543 of 1931 🔗

Yep – West Midlands Police again and they’ve issued an apology for what it’s worth.

393880 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to leggy, 3, #1544 of 1931 🔗

Damage done – apology worthless I’d say

393885 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CGL, 3, #1545 of 1931 🔗

Agreed

393886 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to leggy, 7, #1546 of 1931 🔗

Nothing, Their apology is worth nothing. And I consider that a generous estimate, because you could easily read their apology as a ‘fuck you’.

393863 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to CGL, 3, #1547 of 1931 🔗

I’ve seen (and shared) this. Probably has been posted before but certainly doesn’t do any harm, except hopefully, to the police). Bastards.

393867 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to CGL, 15, #1548 of 1931 🔗

Anyone who’s had any respect for coppers in the last 20 years is retarded.

Bully boy scum with the IQ of my cat’s litter tray.

393926 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, 7, #1549 of 1931 🔗

Back in the 90s I worked in the parks service and used to occasionally go on patrol or point duty with the police. There was definitely a difference between the older ones (who were closer to the Dixon of Dock Green type) and the younger ones, who even then were starting to get into the Robocop stuff with equipment belts, aggressive attitude etc.

393865 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1550 of 1931 🔗

Some Cambridge professor on Ch4 news stated that they tested Pfizer on SA variant and it is not as effective and the recipe needs to be adjusted.
Considering they tested Pfizer in SA and Brazil, the theory that it mutated as a result was spoken about.
Considering we have been using this “vaccine” since mid December, these SA variants already mutated again are now popping up all over the country, is it actually an England variant which occurs after vaccination?

393875 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Silke David, 5, #1551 of 1931 🔗

I suspect the new ”naughty step” Swedish crazy mutant bollocks variant will need a whole new vaccine mission, go to start, do not collect a holiday abroad, rinse repeat, we’re all doomed….

393887 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Major Panic, 22, #1552 of 1931 🔗

The cure for a Swedish variant would be to end lockdowns, rescind mask mandates and let everyone make their own choices around how much risk they’re willing to assume. It might inadvertently be good for the economy as well.

393917 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1553 of 1931 🔗

you’ve got my vote

393936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1554 of 1931 🔗

Mine too. Wholeheartedly.

393942 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1555 of 1931 🔗

And we would achieve herd immunity with fewer people dying.

393871 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1556 of 1931 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon’s Independence Plan ‘in Tatters’ After SNP’s £12bn Economic ‘black Hole’ – WorldNewsEra

“It outlined the performance of the Scottish economy for the financial year 2018/2019, and found total public spending in Scotland was £75.3 billion while money raised only reached £62.7billion.”

This is the great job that the Scottish people think the SNP are doing running a deficit of 20%. How bad is this going to be following the 2020/21 shitshow. If balancing the books actually matters anymore then we are fucked.

393881 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1557 of 1931 🔗

Yeah £74billion of that was invested in unequal rights for the transgender agenda. The other 1.3 billion on Chairwomxn, Nic Sturg-un’s shoes.

393873 Anti_socialist, 17, #1558 of 1931 🔗

This is what our country has become UK COVID Cops Schutzstaffel -ᛋᛋ, Arrest Man For Handing Out Free Soup you have to carry out a RISK ASSESMENT now to give someone free soup! People are actually being arrested for breach of government guidelines!, Guidelines! FFS. Next you’ll be sent to a gulag if found in public without papers……
STOP THE TESTING, KILL THE PANDEMIC, OUTLAW SOCIALISM.

393874 Smotters, 2, #1559 of 1931 🔗

Legal advise needed. Friend of mine has a building development plot in Lancashire and is just finishing off the last house. Tonight the police turned up at a residence rented by 4 of his builders that he recruited from Lincolnshire and said that living under one roof for the working week is illegal as they are not a household. They will be back to fine tomorrow if they are not gone. These 4 guys have been working on this project for a few years, coming up Sunday night, going home to the families they need to support on Friday night. Something tells me that there must be a loophole here; that the government haven’t thought this one through. Any guidance from anyone with a bit of legal knowledge? Thanks. Will clearly mean a lot to these guy.

393878 james007, replying to james007, 29, #1560 of 1931 🔗

In the Covidian faith, the only meaning of life, is the avoidance of death. The only need in life is safety, and the only measure of life is cold heartless statistics.
I am amazed at how many people think like this. Someone said there are two types of people, those who believe their government can protect them, and those who think.

393900 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to james007, 6, #1561 of 1931 🔗

In the covidian faith, Captain Tom is/was a Covidiot.

393970 ▶▶▶ mikec, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1562 of 1931 🔗

Do you think he caught it in Barbados at Christmas?

393879 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1563 of 1931 🔗

What would Winnie the Pooh say about all this? Oh, bother.

393937 ▶▶ Annie, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1564 of 1931 🔗

Never mind Winnie, ask Eeyore, the ultimate realist.

394034 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1565 of 1931 🔗

The Globalists are more concerned with the carbon footprint than they are with human civilization. Nutty.

393896 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1566 of 1931 🔗

Netanyahoooooooooo stakes his career on the vaccine programme – if that doesn’t work then bomb the shit out of Iran. Remember this is supposed to be a public health crisis.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/minister-us-will-never-attack-irans-nuclear-facilities-israel-may-act-alone/

393902 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1567 of 1931 🔗

Must be running out of unarmed Palestinian teenagers to snipe.

393905 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1568 of 1931 🔗

I know all the govt figures are questionable at best… But why has the UK done so utterly sh*t during this pandemic? I mean, we’re currently seeing more daily deaths than the entire USA, large parts of which are fully open for business. Surely this should give the authorities an enormous vested interest in massaging our figures downwards? Or have we really had more deaths?

Back in March/April I remember some pundit predicting that the UK would be one of the hardest hit countries in the world – looks now like there’s at least some truth to that. But why? America has enormous levels of obesity and metabolic disease. Climate combined with population density and demographics perhaps? Or could it possibly be “our” NHS?

393916 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1569 of 1931 🔗

My guess would be a combination of the following:

  • A tendency to ‘play by the rules’ and thus go for the worst case scenario – ie, play up case numbers etc in some misguided attempt to ‘protect’ people somehow.
  • High population density
  • Damp cold unhealthy winter climate and a culture of overheating and underventilating homes
  • Large numbers of Bames (high density housing + Vit D deficiency)
  • Old, fat, unhealthy, lazy population
393934 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1570 of 1931 🔗

Add inbreeding and generally bad genes.
I live in East Anglia, and I there many people with deformities or chronic illness

393947 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, 5, #1571 of 1931 🔗

“What do we East Anglians want??

FOUR FINGERS ON EACH AAAAAAAANNNNNND!”

393974 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Silke David, 1, #1572 of 1931 🔗

Whereabouts in Norfolk?

394202 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Silke David, 1, #1573 of 1931 🔗

Round my way we have a saying to describe those who are a little bit ‘special’ – NFN (Normal for Norfolk).

394211 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Silke David, #1574 of 1931 🔗

Yo brother, Gimme 6!!!

394248 ▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Silke David, 1, #1575 of 1931 🔗

Heard on Norfolk agony Aunt radio. ‘If I divorce the wife is she still my sister?’

393918 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1576 of 1931 🔗

Why? Because we’re part of the control experiment, no doubt. Just following the agenda.

393919 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #1577 of 1931 🔗

we’re currently seeing more daily deaths than the entire USA

Perhaps it’s because – whisper it – ‘our NHS’ is in fact a disaster even compared to US healthcare which is always held up as the bogeyman.

393949 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to AidanR, 4, #1578 of 1931 🔗

Hardly. Theirs takes 18% of GDP, ours 8-9%. Most US doctors and hospitals seem to spend their time billing patients, arguing with insurance companies and hiring debt collectors as a result of which the admin costs are massive.

Granted, Japan’s healthcare system only seems to take 8%, the same as ours costs. But they eat a healthy diet, they’re not obese and the vitamin D levels are high according to an Ivor Cummins video. Result: the average Japanese lifespan is now about 85.

On Worldometers, their deaths are higher than ours although I agree that our deaths per million rate is enormous. Serves the UK right for classifying all deaths as COVID deaths.

393982 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to John001, 1, #1579 of 1931 🔗

Have you attended a hospital in the US? My experience is that it is so superior in every way to here. A few forms for the insurance is not an inconvenience for that level of care. You just pay in a different way to here.

394015 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to John001, 4, #1580 of 1931 🔗

The NHS in England in 20/21 has burned nearly a third of HM Treasury’s entire revenue from 2019.

But you still can’t get your non-covid critical healthcare needs attended to. You cannot even go private because the NHS crowds private provision out of so many areas of healthcare.

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