2021-02-03

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394381 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 67, #1 of 1834 🔗

I think that captain moore had one hell of a last year of life. He lived it to the full.
RIP

394382 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #2 of 1834 🔗

I doubt if Captain Tom will be allowed to RIP.
His funeral will become a media circus, perhaps they could use this London Bus to transport the press.

394454 ▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to karenovirus, 3, #3 of 1834 🔗

…or his remains.
Like a grim, mobile shrine.

395574 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 14, #4 of 1834 🔗

Actually, his final, heroic act here on Earth was to go to Barbados and have a good time with his famliy. Bravo!

395880 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to bebophaircut, #5 of 1834 🔗

TESCO “Leave 2 Kids Outside” Single Mother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc77ZYjHRLM

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
231K subscribers
This is breathtaking!

395533 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to karenovirus, 2, #6 of 1834 🔗

Katie Hopkins: Beware the media distraction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPClrAElg9g

395575 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #7 of 1834 🔗

Narcissist.

395571 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to karenovirus, 1, #8 of 1834 🔗

Transport all the journalists to Loch Lomond.

394384 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Judy Watson, 21, #9 of 1834 🔗

He was a riposte to those who say that the old shouldn’t be allowed to vote in referendums, as was Dame Vera Lynn, who was campaigning to the end.

394476 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Hugh, 68, #10 of 1834 🔗

It’s great that, rather than hiding under the sofa with a mask on clutching sanitiser, he fucked off to Barbados probably knowing it would be the end of him. He chose Life.

394939 ▶▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Fiona Walker, 16, #11 of 1834 🔗

Sadly, however, that is a choice denied to the rest of his generation, even if they may desperately wish to follow his example.

395585 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to happychappy, 4, #12 of 1834 🔗

Transfer all the U.K. care homes to Barbados.

394386 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #13 of 1834 🔗

The Globalist American Empire Declares All-Out War On the American People

https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/the-globalist-american-empire-declares-all-out-war-on-the-american-people/

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European Emergency: Chaotic Wind & Solar Collapses Threaten Entire Europe-Wide Blackout
https://stopthesethings.com/2021/02/02/european-emergency-chaotic-wind-solar-collapses-threaten-entire-europe-wide-blackout

394435 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Judy Watson, 52, #14 of 1834 🔗

Yes, there is a very important message here to all of the zealots. The family must feel so relieved that they took him on holiday in December. Life is short. “ A man with outward courage dares to die; a man with inner courage dares to live.”Lao Tzu. Those advocating perpetual lockdowns and restrictions have neither.

394812 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Van Allen, 12, #15 of 1834 🔗

The zealots would argue he could have had another six months under lockdown (AKA perpetual misery) if he’d obeyed the RuLeS .

394992 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #16 of 1834 🔗

He could have had another six months if the NHS hadn’t given him CV19

395274 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #17 of 1834 🔗

Yes we all need those extra years in the care home dont we!

395300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Boris Bullshit, 12, #18 of 1834 🔗

That’s what my mom says. She’s nearly 92 and lives at home with home health care services checking her meds twice a day. She says “if I get Covid and die I’ll have saved myself 6 months in a nursing home at the end, No?”

394778 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Judy Watson, 15, #19 of 1834 🔗

He was one of the Keep Calm & Carry On generation but he died in the era of Dianafication.

394963 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #20 of 1834 🔗

Clearly a good man. As so often happens he was “used” by the media and this will continue after his death.

395272 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Edward, -2, #21 of 1834 🔗

No such thing as good men, just wise ones and idiots.

395728 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, #22 of 1834 🔗

This is outrageous…

Nigel Farage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKa0q4Xh_Ds
I have been drawing attention to Napier Barracks and other such camps for some time. You won’t believe what’s happened now…
Write to Priti Patel, the Home Secretary here : withammp@parliament.uk

394383 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 64, #23 of 1834 🔗

8 per cent more covid deaths for states that don’t lock down. Say 10000-20000 extra UK deaths when this is over (if we accept official figures). 1m to 2m extra deaths if replicated world wide. (which it won’t be because other countries are apparently less affected).

Now consider the extra deaths that will happen from lockdowns. Wars, starvation, suicides, deaths from depressed immunity (and depression , and stress). I heard a figure somewhere of 130m total eventually. Even if it’s only a tenth of that, that’s quite a few million more than 1-2m. Can we please end this shambles now – and bring on Nuremberg mark II? That’s a lot of people died unnecessarily if the 8 per cent figure is right.

Any experts care to comment?

394387 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 26, #24 of 1834 🔗

And another thing, at Nuremberg mark II, will it be “I was only chasing a profit”, rather than “I was only following orders”?

394542 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Hugh, 18, #25 of 1834 🔗

Nah – it will be “I was only chasing a false prophet”.

394592 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hugh, 15, #26 of 1834 🔗

“I was only following the science”
(see eugenics for that one)

394761 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #27 of 1834 🔗

Said Bill Gates and Boris Johnson.

394899 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #28 of 1834 🔗

Nothing wrong with Eugenics.

Hitler turning it up to 11 on an individual racial group ruined it for everyone.

What we are left with is the opposite: dysgenics, in which the feeble minded, feckless and fraudulent are paid to reproduce using money taken from the earnings of the intelligent and successful who, in turn, often then lack the money to have their own families in a responsible, sustainable manner.

395313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to AidanR, 1, #29 of 1834 🔗

You hit the nail on the head

395587 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hugh, 4, #30 of 1834 🔗

I was only following a model.

394388 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hugh, 19, #31 of 1834 🔗

Also consider that most of those desperately ill and elderly people whose lives were ‘saved’ by lockdown measures will be taken next time Covid comes around unless already dead from their underlying conditions

394406 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Hugh, 21, #32 of 1834 🔗

The “9 per cent more deaths” headline is stupid. There is no visible trend in the data, as the text itself suggests.

394426 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to SallyM, 26, #33 of 1834 🔗

Somewhat surprising that this site has chosen to highlight this paper since over 20 research papers have previously found no correlation. I suppose that since the lives “saved” have merely been extended slightly and the lives cost is obviously greater (and the QALY lost will be many times greater) the outcome is still the same – the cure is worse than the disease.

394429 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to SallyM, 17, #34 of 1834 🔗

I’m fairly sure, if you calculate the p number, you would find that there is no statistically significant difference.
if you were doing a clinical study with these results (and lockdowns as the treatmnet), lockdown would be judged a failure.

394606 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SallyM, 3, #35 of 1834 🔗

And does not take into account climate, which we know is another factor. If a state like Cali has a high death rate (which it does) with a very mild and warm climate this should count even higher that a very cold state that gets very harsh winters. Again you cannot just look at a load of figures, you need proper context and analysis. Is the ATL so pleased to see something that slightly agrees with our position that you ignore the fact that its utter bollocks?

395128 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #36 of 1834 🔗

Spot on M8. As usual readers will not notice your brilliance but remember, even if you’re only 1, you must continue the fight!

394457 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Hugh, 16, #37 of 1834 🔗

That headline, ‘Non lockdown states suffer only 8percent more deaths…’ is bizarre. Is there now a live-in official from the Ministry of Information in the Young household, editing and signing off on every story? Maybe the official lives in the shed.

394579 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, 2, #38 of 1834 🔗

It’s a strange one to highlight for sure. As someone else said, it’s poor statistical analysis in general, however they do mention that the 8% could be down to anything other than lockdown, even when the numbers are taken taking into consideration seasonality etc.

They should be much more damming of such studies.

394763 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #39 of 1834 🔗

I think ‘experts’ sometimes try to be too clever and fail to see the wood for the trees. I was initially surprised by the headline as it gives the immediate impression that there were higher mortality rates in all non-lockdown states. I knew that wasn’t true.

In the case of this ‘searching’ analysis and comparison of averages the blatant reality is missed completely but is captured by one quick glance at the graph: lockdown made no difference to mortality rates.

394973 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #40 of 1834 🔗

Agreed. If lockdown had worked, and its absence had caused significantly more deaths, then the red bars would have been clustered towards the high end. My reading of the graph is that there are multiple factors affecting the the death rates across the states and lockdown is not a particularly significant one.

395595 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #41 of 1834 🔗

If that is the case then they should have created a different headline.

394689 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ovis, 1, #42 of 1834 🔗

It’s no ordinary shed. No it is a special shed, more like a 2nd home.
Get ahead, get a shed.

395600 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, #43 of 1834 🔗
394864 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ovis, 2, #44 of 1834 🔗

Maybe Sir ‘Trilateral’ Starmer’s new social media consultant is lodging there. MW

394389 Drew63, replying to Drew63, 270, #45 of 1834 🔗

You do understand the part that the sainted Captain Moore played in the current imprisonment of the sixty million residents of Britain?

Let’s get this straight: The NHS is not a charity. No matter how many pensioners stagger around their back gardens. It is a massive, bureaucratic national health care system, paid for by the taxes levied on the residents and enterprises of this country. If there are shortcomings or deficiencies in the facilities, equipment, medications, or staffing in the NHS, then it is incumbent upon the Government to rectify them. Shortfalls in NS funding and staff levels should not be made by charitable donations from schoolchildren’s pocket money. No matter how kindly made.

Captain Moore, intentionally or otherwise, played a key role in perpetuating the delusion that it is the job of the people of Britain to “protect the NHS”. When the reality is the exact opposite: It is the job of the NHS to protect the British people.

Tens of millions of people in Britain have been held in lockdown for a year, for a disease that poses pretty much zero risk to them. Millions of children have had their educations halted and delayed. Tens of thousands of businesses big and small have been bankrupted. Millions of jobs have been lost, probably forever. Millions more are suffering mental, social, and financial hardship. All in a misguided attempt to extend the lifespans of people in their 80s, 90, and (in the case of Capt. Moore) 100s.

Lenin had his “useful idiots”. Boris Johnson and Chris Whitty had their “useful old war hero.”

394408 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Drew63, 62, #46 of 1834 🔗

Absolutely right. And Tom Duoe’s antics distracted the zombies from the misery being inflicted on all of us by Wankok snd his thugs, He was a hell-sent opportunity for them.

394412 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Drew63, 77, #47 of 1834 🔗

Absolutely. I find the whole story depressing and nauseating.

394439 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Drew63, 24, #48 of 1834 🔗

Great post.

394444 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Drew63, 22, #49 of 1834 🔗

Well said Drew63

394483 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Drew63, 68, #50 of 1834 🔗

Sadly I have to agree with you. For all his good intentions, it was hijacked by those who have inflicted lockdowns, social distancing and masks on a cowed populace as well as to further the worship of the Church of the NHS.

394586 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Drew63, 38, #51 of 1834 🔗

I find it difficult to agree that Tom Moore should have somehow seen through the manipulation. He may have been a stooge but so are many, and it is due to the msm fear machine and the government lies they have enabled. This goes on everyday even without Covid, and if it wasn’t Tom, it would have been someone else.

We live in a state captured by elitist interests. You may share some of those interests but make no mistake, you are not in this club. You are just expected to serve it. Any popular resistance is immediately infiltrated these days and the general public now seem adapted to the signals. Like some kind of Pavlovs dog they jump on those who impart an alternative opinion, they fall into line and throw their salute.

Tom Moore is one of many, and if people of his character were more common and their energy not subtly guided towards serving the interests of the captured state, we might stand a chance. However, I increasingly fear there is no escape. They’ll have their next Tom Moore in place within weeks.

394774 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #52 of 1834 🔗

Is LS popular resistance?

396181 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #53 of 1834 🔗

Moore likely had more freedom and happiness in 2020 than the vast majority of the population in this country. How many people can say they enjoyed a holiday to Barbados in the year the UK went full-throttle communist? In the end, he effectively fell on his sword, the thing he was made celebrity for was the thing ( they claim) killed him.

Don’t mistake my words as being bitter towards Moore, frankly, I couldn’t care less. My Grandad never broadcast to the world his contribution to the 2nd world war, despite him serving in some of the major hotspots. He never wore his countless badges, he wanted to forget it and try to live his life as normal as he could for his last years. And I suspect he would have turned a cold shoulder on someone like Moore for him being a walking/shuffling propaganda figurine.

There’s no doubt Moore was used as a character in this soap opera. We have our heroes, and we are the villains – and there’s no restraint from the elite when they cast their scorn on dissenters now. Look at the way they all turned on the young lad who mocked witless – is this the behaviour we expect of honourable people – the same people who hijacked Moore for their own agenda?

394621 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Drew63, 11, #54 of 1834 🔗

I think you’re crediting CTM with wayyyy more influence than he intended. Originally he was only walking to recover from his broken hip! then it was his own daughter sponsoring him £1 per lap – the £100 was going to him not charity!!!

Then they thought about donating to a local charity and unfortunately NHS Charities Together had been in the news. I have no idea why anyone would donate to that charity but I guess that’s the beauty of the free market no? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Some people are crazy about Cats Protection or Shelter or RNLI but it’s their money to give away….

394736 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Drew63, 26, #55 of 1834 🔗

I have read that his family get a percentage of the money he raised. It also upsets me that the NHS paid the private sector for its beds (thus preventing anyone from even being able to pay for their cancelled surgery) £400m PER MONTH even though two thirds of the beds were never used. Captain Tom’s money was a drop in the ocean. Something doesn’t sit right with me. Most other elderly were denied hospital beds and even denied medical care and left to die alone in care homes but this isn’t the case for Captain Tom. He was even allowed to have his family there when others can’t even find which ward their loved ones are in.

394767 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Drew63, 1, #56 of 1834 🔗

Sad but true.

394874 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Drew63, 1, #57 of 1834 🔗

Hear, hear!

394935 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Drew63, 7, #58 of 1834 🔗

Yep. An additional irony is that money is no object anymore with regard to any government spending since March, as it is now being printed upon demand, up until the point where it ceases to buy anything anymore.

394997 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Drew63, 11, #59 of 1834 🔗

Though I posted above that Sir Tom was a good man, and I stick by that, I have to agree with your analysis. As I said, he was used by the media. There’s nothing wrong with people making voluntary donations to medical charities but the responsibility lies with the government to fund the health service properly and to make the case to the electorate if they believe taxes need to be increased for that purpose.

395663 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Drew63, 3, #60 of 1834 🔗

That is because Boris and Chris are useless idiots.

394390 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 168, #61 of 1834 🔗

Getting increasingly disappointed with ATL headlines regurgitating MSM. BBC reports yesterday that children as young as 10 are presenting at A&E after self harming (taking overdoses, attested asphyxiation and cutting themselves) but the lockdown sceptics site leads with the story of a very old man who was brainwashed into thinking the NHS is some charity and not a public service that he paid his taxes to fund all his life! Where’s his tax money AND the money he’s raised?! Why is the Royal College of Surgeons making an urgent announcement about the cancellation of life-saving operations on children?!! (see Telegraph). What about the vaccine deaths?! What about the story in Italy where the family sued the government over mask mandate in schools. (Judge orders government to provide scientific evidence, obvs none provided after 15 days, mask mandate is cancelled!) I love this site, it’s literally saved me sanity through this hideous psychological war. But can the editorial team please take a moment to review its direction. Your BTL readers seem to be more informed about the rapid emergence of the horrific harms of lockdowns. Thanks for all your hard work, regardless. Truly grateful!

394392 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 60, #62 of 1834 🔗

For the last few days I’m here only for the BTL comments.

394397 ▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to TheClone, 40, #63 of 1834 🔗

Indeed. As you say, the great rescource of this site are now the comments themselves that give what I believe, to be a better reflection of what is actually going on. Can I also recommend the “OffGuardian” website. Unlike here, they do not pull any punches in their articles and like here, the comments are a veritable gold mine of information.

For example, I cam across a video from Channel 4 with Jon Snow and Professor Sir John Bell of SAGE group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMAkFKprzRQ
Quote “”These vaccines are unlikely to “completely sterilize” a population. Only sterilize 60-70% of the population”
Jon Snow was just about to cut him off at that point.

394430 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Hugh_Manity, 8, #64 of 1834 🔗

Presumably he meant sterilise the virus in humans, not actually sterilise humans?!

394438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to sophie123, 9, #65 of 1834 🔗

I think it came out exactly as intended. He was probably lulled into a false sense of security by the apparatchik Jon Snow and let his guard down. If I am wrong about that, then it was at least a Freudian slip.

394786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, #66 of 1834 🔗

Why would you presume that? Scientists don’t use such terminology.

394908 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #67 of 1834 🔗

Priceless. Where else am I going to discover this type of revealing information?

394441 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TheClone, 9, #68 of 1834 🔗

I agree. ATL is fully cucked recently.

394445 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to TheClone, 7, #69 of 1834 🔗

And today managed to read the BTL and ATL in a massive five minutes before breakfast. Really nothing to see here now.

394585 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheClone, 7, #70 of 1834 🔗

Same here… I don’t even read the ATL crap any more.

394589 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheClone, 5, #71 of 1834 🔗

Same. Even then its increasingly focused on events such as Tom Moore passing rather than more interesting media

394882 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to TheClone, 3, #72 of 1834 🔗

Remember children to unplug your financial support and cancel your outstanding donations before going to bed! [Oh, and clean your teeth!!]

394399 ▶▶ Clancloch, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 43, #73 of 1834 🔗

And on that note why almost no coverage of protests in many European countries!?

394405 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Clancloch, 21, #74 of 1834 🔗

Al Jazeera does.

394428 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 16, #75 of 1834 🔗

When abroad, I always watch Al Jazeera. Far more balanced than BBC.

394471 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Clancloch, 9, #76 of 1834 🔗

More useful idiots who’s gives a shit about the Uncle Tom media hoax shit show

395264 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Clancloch, 3, #77 of 1834 🔗

With all due respect to Toby I got the impression from the latest London Calling that he was not even aware of them much nor very interested. I am afraid for him its all about getting the ear of the establishment. Grass roots pressure does not seem to interest him at all.

Its all very ironic really…in my younger days I was on the Hard Left and I remember the contempt for ‘extra parliamentary activity’ shown by soft left leaders like Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. For them it was all about parliament wheras later in life Tony Benn realised the limits of parliament and recognised the need for grass routes action. The Right is now divided in a similar way whereas the Left have completely joined the establishment.

395408 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #78 of 1834 🔗

I made almost this exact point to someone the other day! It was off the back of Charles Walker’s speech. I said, “Isn’t it extraordinary that a Conservative MP has just made a speech that would have had Tony Benn cheering on… I don’t think many people realise that there has been a total (totalitarian), ie authoritarian, takeover. There are 16 Tory MPs who didn’t get the memo (about 5 of whom actually give a shit) who are carrying on with the assumption that we are still living in a liberal democracy. The question, soon, will be… can they actually save us? Or will some brave member of the Opposition (clue is in the name, folks!) lead the charge and end this nightmare?

394404 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 53, #79 of 1834 🔗

I suspect the top section of this newsletter is something of a front to allow the whole thing to continue at all, I suspect Toby has come under a lot of pressure and has to be aware of the need to deflect undue attention. Nonetheless under the main headline there has been some good detail on what is happening with the NHS. The ‘so called’ pressure on the NHS has been a major plank of lockdown zealotry and so exposing the paucity of that argument has been useful.
Some of the most vehement replies I have had on twitter have been when I have suggested the NHS is actually doing OK and so it has been useful to have had the backing of the NHS detail from this newsletter.

394414 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #80 of 1834 🔗

“To allow this whole thing to continue…” You don’t need permission to host a website in this country!! Or do you?!

394442 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #81 of 1834 🔗

This site is a WordPress blog, I believe. It wouldn’t take a step much further than what we’ve seen already for WordPress to ban the use of their software for “misinformation”. Already seen sites denied use of AWS servers, leading to their disappearance from the internet.

394596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #82 of 1834 🔗

already starting on Telegram

Protonmail nuked “the Grand Reopening ” email accounts

394916 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -2, #83 of 1834 🔗

Yes, you haven’t needed permission to ask to go to the toilet since Patricia Hewitt, the Employment Secretary under Brown brought that in. Progress is great, isn’t it? Next thing, you’ll have the right ‘to go’ as well as ask about it…

394947 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #84 of 1834 🔗

Same for the Torygraph.
At heart they are all primarily nationalistic establishment figures who still want to have a job and career in a year’s time.
Which is why they are now primarily and enthusiastically promoting and celebrating the gene therapy genocide, as long as it’s British made.

395037 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #85 of 1834 🔗

I assume Toby wants to continue his career as a successful journalist with access to the mainstream media, and doesn’t want to jeopardise that by becoming a fringe figure. That’s his choice which I respect. Above the line has become a bit uninspiring but as you say there’s still some good stuff there to help with combating the lockdown zealots.

394443 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #86 of 1834 🔗

Well said. Over the last few days, weeks I’ve mostly come here for the comments, news roundup as well as clips.

394485 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #87 of 1834 🔗

Then let’s thank Toby for giving us the opportunity to come together to comment.

394513 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fiona Walker, 15, #88 of 1834 🔗

Agree. That’s the best achievement of this site.

394481 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #89 of 1834 🔗

I might be wrong but didn’t the cash go to NHS charities rather than the medical service itself? A subtle but important difference if true.

394630 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Fiona Walker, 9, #90 of 1834 🔗

I just spent like 10 mins on the NHS Charities Together website and its v unclear to me still what they do. If I was donating to charity I’d like to know where it was going. Not donate to an umbrella group of 140 charities.

395244 ▶▶▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #91 of 1834 🔗

Spotted this on my Facebook feed. If genuine, and it seems plausible to me this screenshot gives a clue as to what it’s being used for. Offered without comment.

395367 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #92 of 1834 🔗

The £32 million will disappear down the NHS blackhole, one way or another. It would have been better used elsewhere.

395398 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Rowan, #93 of 1834 🔗

One area where I think the NHS Charities money goes is into their propaganda machine.

394750 ▶▶ C S, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #94 of 1834 🔗

Can you please point us to the news about cancellation of mask mandates in Italy? Cant see when searching DuckDuckGo. Thanks

395047 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to C S, #95 of 1834 🔗

From a social media account (can’t tell if twitter or Instagram) of @robinmonotti it was a screenshot sent to me

395366 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #96 of 1834 🔗

Fairly sure his account is on Twitter.

394391 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 22, #97 of 1834 🔗

Attempts to suppress the ‘new variant’ South Africa mutant will be a waste of time because
A. There is no point doing so. If it was truly a new mutant that started killing young people then obviously that would be worrying but it isn’t.
B. It has already failed, apart from the 8 areas already condemned to Total Testing by yesterday afternoon it was reported to be rife in Bristol and Liverpool. It’s already endemic, live with it.

This will not be appearing in Local Live anytime soon.
‘Keen readers may recall that three weeks ago we warned of the deadly Kent Mutant Covid that had arrived in The City and how deadly it might be.
Well the good news is that deaths in the major regional hospital have continued to bump along at 2-1-0 per day.

Total New Cases in the last 7 days = 107 (-46.9% from the previous week)’.

394633 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 22, #98 of 1834 🔗

This has got bugger all to do with a new variant. The numbers of cases has dropped off the chart. Yesterday there were 12,000 “cases” and the had to test a million people to find them (this is a total of all four pillars). So they desperately need more cases to keep their narrative going. So we know we get a load of false positives so let’s go door to door to bump the number up. If we use track and trace data of people who have tested positive before we are more likely to get a FPR hit.
So why would you answer your door when you have probably already been in solitary because of your last positive test? Why is there no clamour to open up? Hospitals are no longer under pressure, the infection rates according to your numbers are down to pre lockdown levels. Your idiotic R rate is way under 1. So why are we still in lockdown? Where are the open up headlines in the msm?

Please release me, let me go!

394393 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 111, #99 of 1834 🔗

That picture at the bottom of the page today is soooooo funny!

Ha ha ha! We’re all stuck at home! We can’t go anywhere! Ha ha! Lonely Planet guides to rooms in the house! Brilliant!

SHUT UP.

I know we have to laugh sometimes so we don’t cry but may I remind everyone:

The government has put the whole nation under house arrest, destroyed the economy and wrecked the health of the people…

FOR NO GOOD REASON.

We are surely past the jolly japes period now, aren’t we?

394394 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 12, #100 of 1834 🔗

One of the things that really pissed me off during lockdown. 1 was Sally Traffic on Radio 2 when for several weeks they reported listeners trials and tribulations as they negotiated their way around their household, tripping on Timmy Lego on the way to the bathroom LOL (not).

394447 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 61, #101 of 1834 🔗

Same here. A lot have treated it like a sort of jamboree.

Whenever anyone laughs about what is being done, I tell them in no uncertain terms what is actually being done. And, although the long-term future of my business is one of my uppermost concerns, the one most pressing for me is the removal of my liberty. This, it is clear to me though, is something most have absolutely no concept of.

394486 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #102 of 1834 🔗

You aren’t going to get any rabble rousing from Toby etal they were shitting themself a few weeks ago about calling the zombies bedwetters.

394517 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #103 of 1834 🔗

Only because they didn’t dare to wet themselves.

394531 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #104 of 1834 🔗

What? You don’t like normalisation of our outrageous predicament?

394535 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to GrannySlayer, 12, #105 of 1834 🔗

Oh, thank you so much. I was being so selfish. I had started to think about all the other people suffering through this rather than laughing in an upper middle class way at the whole thing.
I almost confessed that I didn’t love Big Brother and then where would I be?

394587 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #106 of 1834 🔗

I fear your sarcasm detector has malfunctioned…

394613 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #107 of 1834 🔗

I think yours might have, actually. 😉

Although reading it through now I can see how it reads more acerbic than sarcastic. Must try harder.

394629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #108 of 1834 🔗

I did wonder that after I walked away from the screen…. bugger. Ah well, that’ll teach me to be a smart arse (probably not).

395044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #109 of 1834 🔗

Hey, keep it up, son- from one smartarse to another. “It takes one to know one (she smiled).”

395347 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #110 of 1834 🔗

OOOOOO BUT IS’S TO KEEP EVERYONE SAAAAAFE
I think I might puke nearly continuously

395372 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Elisabeth, 4, #111 of 1834 🔗

Nicely put, Elisabeth, but with lots of love and respect, you forgot the whiney voice and the hand-wringing. You must never forget the hand-wringing.

For myself, I can only visualise the neck-wringing, but there we are.

394395 Annie, replying to Annie, 57, #112 of 1834 🔗

So nice of the NHS to reward poor old Captain Dupe for his services by giving him the lurgy.

394396 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 15, #113 of 1834 🔗

Now THERE is the headline we shoulda got!

394640 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #114 of 1834 🔗

Oh no we are not going to have the full military funeral are we??? Coffin carried by Fat Bastard Morgan and his acolytes. They won’t make it to the end of the drive.

394448 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 6, #115 of 1834 🔗

Captain Dupe 👊🏻 🤣 . You’re on fire this morning.

394669 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Annie, 2, #116 of 1834 🔗

I believe “irony” is currently awaiting its wokey redefinition to: creaseless, well presented.

394398 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 43, #117 of 1834 🔗

You’ve lost me with that opening picture! This site is simply becoming a collection of msm articles for lockdown. As if the old codger isn’t plastered over every other propaganda site on the internet, its not like anybody doesn’t know he’s dead. bye

394489 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #118 of 1834 🔗

Yep. Scroll past tabloid crap and directly to comments.

394400 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 92, #119 of 1834 🔗

I may get hailed down in criticism for the following, but after seeing the full on propaganda in the DM headlines over the gentleman Tom’s demise,I was rather surprised (and disappointed) to see the opening headline here on the same topic. Whilst I am sure he was a delightful man and his family are saddened by his death, I feel if his death was relevant to LS then surely it should have been mainly in the context of how this man has been used ( or rather abused ) as a propaganda tool for the government. His initial money raising, whilst a excellent gesture, raised an extraordinary amount of money in a relatively short period, (any government donations there?)and all lost in the black hole of the NHS, while at the same time promoting the wonderful NHS.
The gentleman had been ill for 3 weeks prior to it emerging in the press, a few days before his demise. Now in the DM he is a covid death, multiple articles ad nauseum – diversionary tactics possibly from more information leaking about vaccine deaths, or just to push how deadly the virus is. I would not be surprised if we have posters soon saying ‘ Captain Tom says stay at home’.

Vaccine update-why is the author positively hoping the one dose only of the mRNA vaccine is adopted. As a sceptic site should the update not include emerging and confirmed data on the negatives of such vaccines, the rightful concerns on vaccinating millions with untrialled drugs – even the EU commission has voiced concerns on the huge responsibility of this, the evidence emerging of the trend for higher levels of deaths after receiving the vaccines. UK column, Mondays edition worth watching.

394402 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hattie, 12, #120 of 1834 🔗

France along with Germany have banned the use of the Oxford vaccine in the over 65s.

394419 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #121 of 1834 🔗

Ah yes but according to the DM that is just red tape and jealousy. They look at the UK, at our situation, and say….. we want to be like them. Perhaps we could donate Boris and Sage?

395008 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to danny, 2, #122 of 1834 🔗

That’s what Mrs M said- red tape and jealousy- so I assume that’s the line being peddled by al-Beeb.

394403 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hattie, 7, #123 of 1834 🔗

No criticism here dunno what they’re thinking paying homage to lockdowns biggest propaganda patron. He’s not my hero, more like a traitor to his country. 100yrs gives you plenty of time to become wiser, nothing innocent about him he deserves no pity.

394734 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #124 of 1834 🔗

A little harsh to call him a traitor.

He was used no doubt, but I very much doubt the media, government and grating British public asked his consent before they launched him into the stratosphere.

395020 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, 2, #125 of 1834 🔗

Indeed; he was a very old man, he belonged to a generation which is now essentially lost, and I’ve no doubt he only thought he was doing good.
(My opinion on the Tom Moore business, FWIW, is exactly the same as Richy’s, which he posted earlier. I wouldn’t add or subtract a word from what he said.)

396060 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Anti_socialist, #126 of 1834 🔗

It’s a myth you get wiser as you get older, I should know…

394409 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hattie, 11, #127 of 1834 🔗

As mentioned below I think the headline articles on this site are there to deflect criticism and try and ensure that those looking to shut this site down will just be bored and go away.

394415 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #128 of 1834 🔗

So we have to smarm about St Thomas Dupe, because it’s the only way to Stay Safe.
OK, if we must, so long as real sceptic news gets in lower down.

The zombie grief orgy over Captain Dupe reminds me of the Zulu tyrant Chaka in Rider Haggard’s Nada the Lily . Having had his own mother murdered, Chaka plunges Zululand into orgies of compulsory mourning for her. Anybody who Chaka thinks is not wailing loudly enough is slaughtered on the spot. Less slaughter here in the Covid Gulag, but the same basic attitude.

395028 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 1, #129 of 1834 🔗

Chaka Zulu was undoubtedly one of the most evil men who ever lived. He would have fitted in at the Cabinet Office with no problem whatsoever.

395400 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #130 of 1834 🔗

It’s one thing wanting to shut down inconvenient websites such as LS, it’s another thing altogether actually doing it.

394418 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hattie, 22, #131 of 1834 🔗

Also to add, it would be good if LS could submit a FOI request regarding the data on recorded adverse reactions to the vaccine which are currently not available

394433 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Hattie, 7, #132 of 1834 🔗

Yes, I suggested that yesterday.

394497 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Hattie, 9, #133 of 1834 🔗

This is a vaccine shill site, as I say every time they mention.one of th and people question it. Almost everything ATL is worthless these days, and if we could congregate somewhere else, I wouldn’t be back.

394401 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 25, #134 of 1834 🔗

So, Captain Tom tested positive after he came back from hospital – where he almost certainly caught the disease.

394407 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 4, #135 of 1834 🔗

Saint Tom, Covid Martyr.
.

394425 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, 30, #136 of 1834 🔗

His last mission. A visit to an NHS hospital. There’s no coming back from that

394487 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 14, #137 of 1834 🔗

Most dangerous mission he ever had.

394547 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 9, #138 of 1834 🔗

He returned home still very ill with pneumonia, probably aware it was his last days and wanting to be at home with family. He then tested positive. I would like to know how many tests he had before that, all negative. With the high incidence of false positives it is likely he did not have Covid at all. If he did, the hospital gave it to him.
The MSM will run with a tragic Covid death for all it’s worth, not the inevitable demise of a 100 year old gentleman who picked up another respiratory illness which led to pneumonia as it often does in the elderly. There would have been nothing to see here 12 months ago, just the private mourning of a family for a much loved man.

394410 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 77, #139 of 1834 🔗

On Monday this week, UK column spoke to an NHS whistle-blower who bravely shared sensitive data concerning the Pfizer vaccine. It supposedly shuts down the immune system for up to one week, and this was thought to be behind a very worrying rise in elderly deaths with Covid-19 amongst other things following vaccination.

That’s proper investigative work, informing the public about an incredibly serious development that our complicit media wouldn’t touch with a barge pole. Yet here on LS, we essentially get a round up of vaccine news which I could get from a quick trip to the Mail homepage.

I posted yesterday how grateful I am to Toby and his team, but if this is the future of this site then perhaps it’s time to pass the baton over to somebody more aligned with the BTL community (Delingpole perhaps?)

I do believe that the recent timidity of Lockdown Sceptics will eventually start turning away readers unless this is urgently addressed.

394411 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Scotty87, 33, #140 of 1834 🔗

If doing daily updates is proving too time consuming thus the reason for short cuts ie cut and pasting msm articles, would it be better to do less but with more investigative content, such a three times a week, but leave the comments section open.

394423 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Hattie, 19, #141 of 1834 🔗

I’ve certainly also been wondering whether it needs to be “fewer but better” re this newsletter. There is only a certain amount worth putting up and alternate days or once every 3 days (throughout the week) would provide enough chance to report anything/everything that does need reporting and duly analyse it. There’s no point in doing something for the sake of it – ie continuing to keep this newsletter daily (ie when there’s insufficient news to fill it). Obviously a Special edition could be done in the event of anything particularly startling news-wise.

Add that I share another comment above of just why start today’s newsletter off with an article about just one person – and so what that it’s a well-known person. In the event – he is just one person (amongst 70 million or so of us)?

394550 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to ElizaP, 6, #142 of 1834 🔗

Maybe we should indeed have a two or three times a week ATL update but the comments section should be changed more often – it seems once it gets over around 500 posts it becomes unmanageable which means we need a new comments part twice a day. Or maybe we should be using the proper forums part, but admit that I am one of those who rarely looks at that.

394804 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to davews, 4, #143 of 1834 🔗

Yes, I urge every real sceptic to register and participate on the forums. It is beset by five or six aggressive 77th Brigade shill accounts that drown out all serious comment with fauxcinne propaganda. Many of us gave up as it was so demoralising.

If true BTL’ers could flood the forums it would send an important message. Plus forums are so much better to make sense of discussions.

394413 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Scotty87, 36, #144 of 1834 🔗

I noted this point about the post vaccination deaths in a post yesterday and postulated that it gives lockdown sceptics the greatest opportunity to change the narrative if we could find a way to do it. The government have openly said there is nothing to see in regards to this issue. Therefore they have set themselves up for being caught in a lie. If public opinion could be swayed to question the surge in deaths in care homes as being related to vaccines (which they appear to be) then surely this will push the opposition and media to openly start a debate which, if it works well, will expose the government as liars. Then surely if people start to see that Johnson doesn’t actually walk on water and that he and his mob are simply out and out liars trying to cover up a serious issue then with any luck the same public will start to question other parts of the narrative as well.

Or am I just being an idealistic dreamer….?

394416 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bigade, 6, #145 of 1834 🔗

What oppositionz?

394827 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Annie, 5, #146 of 1834 🔗

Yes, youre not wrong there. Its a point I make till I’m blue in the face – where is the opposition? Does no one see this as a major issue, whichever side of the lockdown fence you sit? Apparently not.

394440 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bigade, 15, #147 of 1834 🔗

Hammond tried as hard as he could to derail brexit – now he is lord. Not to mention scores of others.
What will happen with wancock, bojo, whitty and vallanace? Lordship for each and every one. Yes, you are a dreamer! They will never be responsible at personal level.

394600 ▶▶▶ JIGR1969, replying to Bigade, 11, #148 of 1834 🔗

I believe that there is a correlation between vaccines and an increase in deaths, Finland, Gibraltar and the care home in Basingstoke.

I created a topic on the forums asking about the best place to send a FOI to, asking about a count of deaths within 28 days of a vaccine, but was told that there is no need for concern and the uptick for deaths in Gibraltar, are normal!

There are many people commenting in the forums who are trying to silence debate about the safety of Covid19 vaccines.

394677 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to JIGR1969, 3, #149 of 1834 🔗

I’m heading over there now.

394833 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to JIGR1969, 6, #150 of 1834 🔗

Ironically these same people who are quick to claim that the current increase in deaths is ‘normal’ are the same people who refuse to acknowledge that increases in respiratory illness in the autumn are normal.

396226 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JIGR1969, #151 of 1834 🔗

Download Richie Allen’s Feb 1 2021 podcast with Dr Vernon Coleman and go to around hour 1 23rd minute.

394424 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Scotty87, 19, #152 of 1834 🔗

if you link to good content in the comments, it often appears ATL the next day. I dont think this site makes Toby money and its a lot of work to do a new newsletter every day

394460 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Scotty87, 26, #153 of 1834 🔗

I take your point, but perhaps UK Column is a different type of outlet to LS.

As far as I can tell, UKC is quite happy to fly kites (almost like the Private Eye of decades ago) and not be too bothered if they are eventually proved wrong. I saw Monday’s edition – yes, some very interesting (and worrying) hypotheses put forward, but it fell well short of actual science. For example, the claim by the whistleblower that he Pfizer vaccine depresses the immune system for one week – what was his evidence for this? Has anyone else said the same? Is there anything to corroborate it? A loose correlation of some figures isn’t enough to substantiate something like that. ( How do you strip out seasonality effects?)

This site – rightly in my view – appears to be striving for scientific and technical credibility (Will Jones in particular is very careful with his science). I’m not saying that UKC are wrong to present information as they do, just that there is room for both approaches – and that a scientifically credible site or outlet will eventually prove more useful to the Sceptic cause than one leaning towards the sensational.

394470 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to TJN, 6, #154 of 1834 🔗

Didn’t they show data from the studies that show lymphocyte reduction?

394604 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to sophie123, #155 of 1834 🔗

I don’t recall – but you may well be correct though, as I had the programme on while I was doing something else. I’ll probably listen again this morning. Nevertheless, I’d be surprised if I changed the general drift of what I wrote above based on a second listen.

394930 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 4, #156 of 1834 🔗

Just had a second listen – yes, I remember that bit now. They obviously raise some very serious questions, which need answers. But context is everything – we criticise the lockdown propaganda for lacking context, so we mustn’t fall into the same fault.

Re my original comment – yep, UKC go out there on a limb early to get a story, and this site is instinctively more conservative. Both approaches are valid.

But we’re at the point now, I believe, that at the very least this site should be asking questions about vaccine safety, at least the mRNA ones – just questions, to try to ascertain where we are.

396066 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to TJN, 1, #157 of 1834 🔗

Surely if the trial is not completed till Jan 31 2023 no one in their right mind would consent?

396285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Woden, #158 of 1834 🔗

Only people who would normally volunteer for such trials, or who thought they were especially at risk from covid.

394479 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to TJN, 3, #159 of 1834 🔗

Spot on.

394499 ▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to TJN, 1, #160 of 1834 🔗

Agreed.

394506 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, 2, #161 of 1834 🔗

Yeah, I didn’t think much of the UK Column piece either. It is easy for some to believe the opposite of the MSM just because it is oppositional.

394707 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to TJN, 11, #162 of 1834 🔗

For example, the claim by the whistleblower that he Pfizer vaccine depresses the immune system for one week – what was his evidence for this?

That bit does have some scientific support. This is the table that was showed on UK Column

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4/figures/5

And this is the Nature article from which it came

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

We need a lot more analysis on the post-vaccination uptick in over 80 deaths before that ‘goes public’ but there is now a fair bit of anecdotal evidence from around the world.

This is a tweet from a Geriatric Consultant in the UK.

Martin Vernon

@runnermandoc

One month into the care home vaccination programme, I am deeply concerned to be seeing covid-19 infection outbreaks among first dose vaccinated residents within, and beyond 21 days of vaccination.

He doesn’t go quite as far as the ‘whistleblower’ but it does suggest everything is not quite as rosy as is being portrayed in the MSM.

394946 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, #163 of 1834 🔗

Many thanks Mayo – yes I saw that Martin Vernon tweet. I’ve clarified my views a bit on the UKC programme in response to sophie 123 above.

There are clearly some questions to be asked here – questions, without necessarily assuming answers, and allowing for context – and I think the evidence is sufficient for a scientifically rigorous site such as this to begin asking them.

Questioning vaccines is of course emotive and potentially dangerous territory, but we have to go where evidence points.

Edit : today’s post may indicate the editors are thinking along these lines in regard to the request for information as to whether Captain Tom had been given the vaccine.

395711 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to TJN, 1, #164 of 1834 🔗

I saw a tweet today with a previous daily mail story in which Joan Bakewell some ‘Royals and Captain Tom had all had ‘the Jab’.

If something is questionable, not questioning it is to run on lack of sure foundations.

A number of things current are unprecedented – one of which is the general cognitive dissonance. Another the redistribution of wealth and control. Perhaps we wont see un unprecedented drop in global population, and genetic control under the guise of biotech security?
I live this day well.

Thanks for showing your corrected views. UKC is courageous and has its own particular approach that can seem ponderous, with opinions that can be repetitive but can also be amusing in parody.
They are not slick (amateur) and not always current to the zeitgeist, but they have shone out in various ways and have my respect and appreciation. I always listen within for the discerning of truth no matter who says what, such as to be vigilant against simply accepting or assuming something to be true, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
However, once something is accepted as fact, it is then built on to become and invested foundation and protected against question, regardless the cost, when that investment is seen as too big to fail.

395928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Binra, 1, #165 of 1834 🔗

Don’t get me wrong, I have much time for UKC (well I would coming from their neck of the woods …). It’s just that I think they are a very different outlet to LS, with different outlooks, so it’s difficult to compare the two.

But with the MSM sick and dying as it is, we need these types of platforms as seed corn: something has to grow into the vacuum left by the MSM demise.

‘Question everything you’re told’ (SLF, Suspect Device , 1978)

‘Nullius in verba’: Royal Society motto.

394474 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Scotty87, 8, #166 of 1834 🔗

On the downside, UK column has more false stories or poorly researched claims. I watch it regularly and really appreciate what they’re doing, before anyone gets offended.

Just to pull out one example, they claimed that NHS EasiRead documentation that was aimed at people with mental difficulties was aimed at the public. They used this as an example of treating the public like idiots, when in fact they were being the idiots on that occasion. It was an outright lie and painted completely the wrong picture. There are countless other examples.

So I’m generally quite happy with the balance struck on LS – I check out other sites when I want a different skew on things.

394636 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Scotty87, 14, #167 of 1834 🔗

then let someone else start their own site. ‘lockdown sceptics’ is too mild – it’s in the name. many of us are way beyond that now, we are outright anti-lockdowners – we don’t want to merely question lockdowns, we want to bring them down, and ensure that they never, never happen again

394686 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Scotty87, 3, #168 of 1834 🔗

We should start planning where to go, why would you think it would get any better? The longer this sh*tshow goes on, the more obvious this is all a pretext is. . . except Toby.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

395251 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Scotty87, 1, #169 of 1834 🔗

They will also link to or report on information given to them by their readers.

If you have a link, email it to Toby and co.

394417 danny, replying to danny, 32, #170 of 1834 🔗

First rule of Soviet propaganda. Find a heroic role model from the ranks of the people that we can identify with. I think from memory in Animal Farm it was old Major.

394431 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 34, #171 of 1834 🔗

Old Major is Lenin. The stakhanovite is Boxer the horse, who believes all the propaganda, works himself to the point of death, and is sold to the knackers by the pigs, who tell the other animals that Boxer really went to a lovely animal hospital, which had borrowed the knackers’ van in an emergency.
And the animals believe it.

394451 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 11, #172 of 1834 🔗

This reminds me of when I was a young kid…at school we read and analysed 1984, Animal Farm, Brave New World, Lord of the Flies. WTF are the poor drones being brainwashed with these days?

394461 ▶▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #173 of 1834 🔗

My son is studying Animal Farm for GCSE and has read all the books you mention, so not so different now…

394528 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to End of Tether, 2, #174 of 1834 🔗

That’s great to hear. The kids i know have got nowhere near them. Maybe they’re just morons or being failed by their schools.

394558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #175 of 1834 🔗

Maybe it depends on the school – there seems to be a huge variance in standards between schools – but the texts my kids study and are on the GCSE and A level syllabus are very similar to the ones I studied. And they do read the book/play rather than just watch the film or read a precis.

394462 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 7, #176 of 1834 🔗

For me it was Dickens, Hardy and Jonson to name but three. And very instructive as to the human condition they all were.

Not sure what texts are studied these days, but I know that they don’t even have to read the whole book!

394551 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 3, #177 of 1834 🔗

We had The Crucible, Henry V and Far From the Madding Crowd. All wonderful. I can’t even remember what my kids studied which may say it all.

394554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 4, #178 of 1834 🔗

Bleak House and The Alchemist speak to me now! And I sure as hell feel like I’m living through a Hardy novel right now (but without the long frocks and with better sanitation!)

394861 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 1, #179 of 1834 🔗

Takes me back to 1974 when I did ‘O’ level English Literature. There were five books on the syllabus and I’d read four and a half! I wasn’t religious but I remember ‘praying’ the night before that there would be a recognisable extract from the ‘half’ book to be critiqued. Anyway, I passed the exam reasonably comfortably but to this day I can vividly recall the cold sweats experienced when I realised it was too late to make up for wasted time.

394510 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 15, #180 of 1834 🔗

Anything about non- white people being oppressed by white people.

394511 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #181 of 1834 🔗

Baa-Baa Rainbow Sheep.

394543 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #182 of 1834 🔗

I believe that these days they watch the film and then analyse passages from the book. Any more is too challenging.

394602 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #183 of 1834 🔗

My daughter did A level English and read some great literature including Chaucer, Hardy as well as some early modern novels/poetry. My observation is the exams are much more prescriptive. When I did A level in the 1980s I don’t remember knowing nearly as many technical words as my daughter and certainly I wasn’t aware of discourse markers as being important for gaining marks. My sense is that exams have become much more narrow and analytical in terms of what answers will get the marks so a brilliant creative essay criticising the text might not score as well as one that sticks to received wisdom/stuff. I’m cynical in that I observe exams to be harder in some respects but there is a more narrowly defined “right answer” but others here, particularly teachers, would have more insight into this.

394728 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #184 of 1834 🔗

My daughter has read Brave New World and 1984 this year for her A Levels (though it was at her own discretion, she picked them for an assignment, they’re not on the curriculum).

396170 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jo Starlin, #185 of 1834 🔗

And did she make any connection to what is going on?

395070 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 2, #186 of 1834 🔗

My younger brother wasn’t much of a reader, whereas I devoured books. At school he had to “do” The Power and the Glory (Greene) and The Grapes of Wrath (Steinbeck), so I read them and told him what they were about. Later he did quite well in the exam!

395083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #187 of 1834 🔗

We read a bit of Dickens and Hardy, also The Go-Between by LP Hartley. On the modern side I recall being impressed by Collected Short Stories by Alan Sillitoe. In hindsight he’s a bit of a leftie but the urban realism was something new to me which I enjoyed.

395094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #188 of 1834 🔗

Another one my brother had to “do” was To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee. I started it but couldn’t really get into it.

396228 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Edward, #189 of 1834 🔗

I heard that New York City Board of Education has proclaimed The Great Gatsby and The Scarlet Letter as racist. I read The Scarlet Letter and wrote an essay in high school.

394918 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, #190 of 1834 🔗

First rule of propaganda in general. For example the 1966 film The Blue Max , set in WW1. Stachel is promoted by the German brass precisely because he is “common as dirt”.

394420 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #191 of 1834 🔗

The item in today’s newsletter about the care home group who will not take on any staff who refuse the vaccine is disturbing and with a current huge shortage in care home staff I wonder if this will backfire on them? As well as the basic issues surrounding the vaccines themselves it raises the issue as to how will the care home group know if someone has been vaccinated or not?
Do we know if people currently being vaccinated get issued with any sort of documentation? I expect many like me many have a yellow health card for International travel where things like Yellow Fever vaccination are recorded and needed for entry to many African countries. But these SARS-Cov2 vaccines are a long way from any standardised vaccination procedure that would be needed for inclusion on an International Yellow Card.

So, with this Care Home Group and with Saga Holidays who are insisting on vaccination, how will they know and be able to check on vaccination? Also many of the vaccines have warnings that people with certain conditions should not take them, and so a bit like with medical exemptions for facemasks, how will medical exemptions from being vaccinated be assessed? I am guessing that all this raises a lot of legal and human/civil rights issues.

394475 ▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #192 of 1834 🔗

Given the care home staff are often paid the minimum wage or little more this will inevitably backfire. Easier to spend your time at home on universal credit.

394512 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #193 of 1834 🔗

From the pictures people keep posting on Facebook happily declaring they’ve had the vaccine they all have a card which gives the details of the batch number of the vaccine for the first and second injection. Presumably once you’ve had both you get to keep the card as a souvenir.

394519 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #194 of 1834 🔗

It will backfire for all the reasons you’ve mentioned above plus they will fall foul of anti-discrimination legislation and GDPR.

394639 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #195 of 1834 🔗

What about all the women of childbearing age who must make up a huge section of the employees? I’m sure they’re still not supposed to have it?

394700 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #196 of 1834 🔗

If what we are hearing about anecdotally from various countries, that people in care homes are dying after having the vaccine, then it is the staff that will know this. Perhaps this accounts for the relatively low willingness to have the vaccine?
And yes, sounds like it will backfire. Good.

394818 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #197 of 1834 🔗

This from https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/02/the-great-reset-and-build-back-better.aspx

Vaccine passports are one example. Hastily ushered in as a byproduct of the COVID-19 pandemic, they’re expected to become “widely available” during the first half of 2021. 14
If the initiative is successful, you’ll likely be required to pull up a vaccine certificate on your phone showing when and where you were vaccinated, along with which type of vaccine, in order to get on a plane or attend an indoor event, such as a concert, for starters.
WEF and the Commons Project created the Common Trust Network, which developed the CommonPass app that’s intended to act as a health passport in the near future. The app allows users to upload medical data such as a COVID-19 test result or proof of vaccination, which then generates a QR code that you will show to authorities as your health passport. 15
The proposed common framework “for safe border reopening” around the world involves the following: 16

  1. Every nation must publish their health screening criteria for entry into the country using a standard format on a common framework
  2. Each country must register trusted facilities that conduct COVID-19 lab testing for foreign travel and administer vaccines listed in the CommonPass registry
  3. Each country will accept health screening status from foreign visitors through apps and services built on the CommonPass framework
  4. Patient identification is to be collected at the time of sample collection and/or vaccination using an international standard
  5. The CommonPass framework will be integrated into flight and hotel reservation check-in processes

Eventually, the CommonPass framework will be integrated with already existing personal health apps such as Apple Health and CommonHealth. If you want to travel, your personal health record will be evaluated and compared to a country’s entry requirements, and if you don’t meet them, you’ll be directed to an approved testing and vaccination location.

394421 Fingerache Philip, 8, #198 of 1834 🔗

I really should have known better!!
What started out on MSM soon reverted to type; with CT dying”of”instead of “with”.

394422 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 33, #199 of 1834 🔗

Talking to a nurse friend of mine last night

The wards here a rife with covid

A new patient comes in – tests negative, gets admitted to the ward, tests positive 3 days later by which time they appear to have spread it to everyone else. It seems to me to be one of the primary functions of the healthcare system – don’t actually spread disease

394437 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 11, #200 of 1834 🔗

I am continuing to wonder whether the Pfizer vaccine – which can be rough even for younger people – is making elderly people sick – then they go to hospital and catch covid. Just the side affects of Pfizer causing a great mixing of the elderly and contributing either directly or indirectly to their deaths

394455 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to steve_w, 10, #201 of 1834 🔗

We shouldn’t forget that many of these results will be false positives, not actual spreading of disease. And 10,000 divided by the number of hospitals, especially with the largest amount of reported transmission happening in London, means only a handful per hospital.
And also, as masks dont work, a hospital is as likely as any building, shop, or factory with lots of people in it to see more cases than in the open air.

394515 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TJS123, 6, #202 of 1834 🔗

Best place to catch something infectious and die is the hospital – especially a socialised disaster like the NHS. Avoid at all costs.

394643 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to steve_w, 7, #203 of 1834 🔗

If only we’d built some huge new hospitals that they could’ve put the covid patients in… that’s hindsight hey.

394427 danny, replying to danny, 44, #204 of 1834 🔗

“Angry member of the public confronts chief medical officer in the street”.
That would be objective media reporting.
“Covidiot attacks Chris Whitty”.
The UK press.

394432 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to danny, 6, #205 of 1834 🔗

Yes, and I see the 77 brigade got to scoring the comments first on this article in the DM – like they always do with the overnight new articles.

394449 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to danny, 16, #206 of 1834 🔗

The dreariness and banality of the mind that coined the word ‘Covidiot’ is beyond expression.

394450 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bugle, 18, #207 of 1834 🔗

It’s lost its meaning as I’d say 99% have broken the rules in some way or other. Every credit to double agent Captain Tom for trolling the most people with his Barbados trip.

394514 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bugle, 8, #208 of 1834 🔗

Those calling us Covidiots are of course the Covidiots – ie unthinking members of the Covid cult inured to logic or science. Huge overlap with the cult of warm-tarding (plant food falling out of climate systems, causes the same + disappearance of the horned frog, increase in prostitution, melting-expanding-static arctic etc etc ).

394520 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bugle, 2, #209 of 1834 🔗

Exactly so.

394553 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bugle, 2, #210 of 1834 🔗

yes, there are people who seem to think it’s the height of wit

394897 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bugle, 1, #211 of 1834 🔗

I actually seriously wonder whether the term was not coined at the very same time as the term Covid itself, and then spread through social media. It certainly appeared very quickly and very frequently.

394434 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 8, #212 of 1834 🔗

Captain Tom, died of, or with Covid-19?
Where did the money he raise go to in the NHS?
I pay taxes for the NHS. It’s not a charity.

394446 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to PatrickF, 8, #213 of 1834 🔗

One of the many scandals waiting to arise: the NHS can’t even get basic infection control right and, along with inappropriate DNRs, have caused a significant loss of life.

How do you like those apples, Wanksock?

394484 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 4, #214 of 1834 🔗

During lockdown. 1 I spoke with someone who works in something like ‘NHS United Charitable Unit’.
She assured me that the funds would not be used to boost a CEOs bonus or even buy essential supplies.
The cash went towards things like enhanced staff gardens and rest rooms, purchase of phones to enable patients to keep in touch with loved ones, bringing in hot meals for staff in hospitals not supplied by local restaurants and cafes.

394505 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #215 of 1834 🔗

Absolute essentials, in fact.

394525 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to karenovirus, 3, #216 of 1834 🔗

Plus cash payments to staff. District staff got £20, staff nurses £50, anybody above who knows. The fake news BBC might but they won’t be telling the masses.

394853 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #217 of 1834 🔗

They have renamed “NHS charities” to “NHS Charities Together” https://www.nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/what-we-do/

394771 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PatrickF, 3, #218 of 1834 🔗

My local NHS Trust in Northern Ireland had a FB message up thanking Tom for 150,000 they got. The money was for NHS charities, not the NHS per say.

394436 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 8, #219 of 1834 🔗

Who would you more readily trust, Vladimir Putin or Bill Gates? Mmm… tough one.

394459 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bugle, 32, #220 of 1834 🔗

Putin, without a doubt. He only wants to control Russia, not replace God.

394549 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bugle, 10, #221 of 1834 🔗

I’ve often thought that if I am ever coerced into taking the vaccine, I’d prefer to get Putin’s version: its not this new gene modification technology, which I interpret to mean that it’s intended as a placebo, not a lethal injection – it’s probably just saline solution. I suspect that Putin isn’t on board with the driving agenda, whatever it is, he is as usual playing his own game and pursuing his own ends, by fair means or foul. Problem is of course – I’m not in Russia, I’m in Wancock’s jurisdiction, which I think is pretty much the epicentre of the global coup

394928 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to JaneHarry, #222 of 1834 🔗

I’ve often thought that if I’m coerced into having a jab with an ill tested concoction I will personally inject all those responsible with a potion of my choosing, or just fresh air for those that don’t like fluorescent purple.

If my kids are in their sights, I will swap the method of delivery for something my local blacksmith can rustle up with strict instructions that a placebo version is not required.

395582 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JaneHarry, #223 of 1834 🔗

Yes, I sometimes think England is leading this. That or some unspeakable US/GB/intelligence cabal.

394895 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Bugle, #224 of 1834 🔗

Let them fight it out and sell tickets.

394452 kpaulsmith1463, 2, #225 of 1834 🔗

A spot of much-needed levity, via Ryan Long.
(Think J.P., only less gingery.)
https://youtu.be/WQULqur0umo

394453 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #226 of 1834 🔗

Over half the population of New Delhi have antibodies to the coronavirus, according to a government study. This obviously must mean that an even higher proportion of the population have immunity. https://twitter.com/SatyendarJain?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1356547817427226624%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F514397-new-delhi-coronavirus-india%2F
Yet the health minister announcing the news demands that people continue to observe social distancing rules and the government continues to roll out its (obviously unnecessary) vaccination programme. One might almost think that the motivation is to impose the non-pharmaceutical interventions and the vaccine, regardless of the risk posed by the virus.

394458 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #228 of 1834 🔗

What are ATL and BTL?
I’m not up to speed on my acronyms!

394465 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to PatrickF, 7, #229 of 1834 🔗

Anti Triphosphate Legion
Bulging Tree Leg

394466 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 4, #230 of 1834 🔗

ATL – above the line
BTL – below the line

394467 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to PatrickF, 1, #231 of 1834 🔗

Factoid… they’re initialisations not acronyms.

394477 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #232 of 1834 🔗

Fact….not factoid 😉

394503 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 3, #233 of 1834 🔗

It’s only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word, e.g. Efta, Bafta.

394559 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Annie, 3, #234 of 1834 🔗

Nonetheless they are generally referred to as TLAs. 😉

394581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ b_sceptic, replying to WasSteph, 3, #235 of 1834 🔗

The OED thinks they’re acronyms too. 1st definition in fact.

1. A group of initial letters used as an abbreviation for a name or expression, each letter or part being pronounced separately; an initialism (such as ATM, TLS).
2. A word formed from the initial letters of other words or (occasionally) from the initial parts of syllables taken from other words, the whole being pronounced as a single word (such as NATO, RADA).

394684 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to WasSteph, 1, #236 of 1834 🔗

You can sometimes get FLAs.

395127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, 1, #237 of 1834 🔗

Once upon a time I was a member of the trade union Association of Scientific, Technical, and Managerial Staff, ASTMS, which people pronounced as if it was a word “Astims”. After a merger it became Manufacturing, Science and Finance, MSF, which wasn’t pronounceable as a word.

394463 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 39, #238 of 1834 🔗

There will be a time for asking where the money Captain Tom raised for the NHS went at a time when we see cancer treatments stopped, screening programmes suspended, children’s life saving surgery cancelled. There will also be a time to gently make the point that the old boy died with Covid he contracted in an nhs hospital – as have so many others. I for one wish others in his situation had been able to enjoy a last family holiday and have their family present in their final moments. However, I would politely suggest that today is not the day for such comments.

Yes the press will turn his death into a mawkish display with echoes of the Princess of Wales but let’s remember that we are here – contrary to the media narrative – because we care about other people more than we care about ourselves unlike so many of the lockdown fanatics. We are concerned about cancer patients, those with chronic pain, the suicidal, the lost livelihoods and educations, the lonely elderly.

Captain Tom was a good man trying to do something useful at a time of national and personal dislocation. There may well be better causes than a bloated state bureaucracy but he was one old man trying to do his bit – as he’d done before in his long life.

Let’s give the cynicism a rest for one day. It ill becomes us.

394545 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #239 of 1834 🔗

I don’t know, but the local donut factory has taken on extra staff

394567 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #240 of 1834 🔗

Spot on. Great post.

394464 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 39, #241 of 1834 🔗

Very sorry to hear that Captain Tom had died but what did one expect? I seem to recall that in one of his early interviews, he was pretty much resigned to popping his clogs anytime now given his age.

He had a good run for 100 years and that’s not a tragedy.

The REAL tragedy is people in their 10s (plus under), 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s succumbing to illnesses that could have been averted from the word go or mental health issues or even attempting and in many cases succeeding in their attempts at suicide.

So let’s have some perspective here and not allow the good Captain’s death to be a Diana part 2 and become an orgy of grief. If anything we should be grieving at those deaths that have occured because the government sees fit to sacrifice everything else under the altar of Covid.

394469 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #242 of 1834 🔗

My dad is 90 and his death will be very sad for me and our family but it will not be a national tragedy – or even a personal one. Death is part of life’s rich tapestry.

394488 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #243 of 1834 🔗

Exactly. My grandmother died at the age of 102 and I remember my mum (her youngest daughter) saying it was a life well lived and it was a relief given how frail she was during the last few years of her life.

394529 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #244 of 1834 🔗

Generally we should celebrate the deceased’s life.

Mourning is for the family and close friends.

394473 ▶▶ james007, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #245 of 1834 🔗

My understanding is that he was already very ill when he caught Covid. He probably caught it in hospital (even if Johnson issued a national ‘stay in bed’ order, people will still be catching it in hospital).
It is sad, but it would diminish his memory if it was made into a covid martyr. People must remember that is is not unusual for very old people to become ill and die. More importantly, we cannot make life all about avoiding death. We cannot lock people up for their own good to try to stop it.

394491 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to james007, 3, #246 of 1834 🔗

What you said, hear, hear!!!

394552 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to james007, 16, #247 of 1834 🔗

He didn’t ‘catch Covid’. He tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 after a hospital stay three weeks into an illness at home during which he continually tested negative. Covid is a disease caused by the virus, according to our boffins anyway. Another death assigned to Covid that wasn’t. And his vaccination status is still a question. Just saying.

394468 katz, replying to katz, 20, #248 of 1834 🔗

How does Sir Tom get to spend his last day with his family when everyone else’s family is barred?

394493 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to katz, 2, #249 of 1834 🔗

Because in the place he was in, families can visit for the end of life stage.

394544 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #250 of 1834 🔗

and what’s so special about that place, that it is exempt from ‘da rulz’? can my mum go there, when her time comes? – no, thought not

394565 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #251 of 1834 🔗

Some hospitals are facilitating end of life visits. The inconsistency is the problem. We should all be able to visit a very sick close family member. It is a performance because, if you are convinced the positive test equals an infection, then everyone has to get kitted up, regardless of what the patient is actually dying of.

394536 ▶▶ Janette, replying to katz, 3, #252 of 1834 🔗

Yes that’s what annoys me.

394564 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to katz, 1, #253 of 1834 🔗

I know of a couple of hospitals are calling for family members to come and see their loved one if they are sure they won’t last long.

394573 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #254 of 1834 🔗

Correct. My wife visited her grandfather shortly before he passed away during a short stay in hospital a couple of weeks ago.

I think there might be some inconsistency nationwide.

394682 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #255 of 1834 🔗

Yeah, that’s why it’s a National Health Service……so you get consistent treatment everywhere. Sorry forgot the “Our”.

394472 Julian, replying to Julian, 25, #256 of 1834 🔗

Disappointing update today

Predictable headline, Captain Tom is just a distraction

Articles ATL seemingly accepting at face value things like “covid deaths” and “covid hospital admissions” context-free when we all know that those numbers are so distorted and inconsistent as to be worthless

394482 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 24, #257 of 1834 🔗

100 yr old man battling pneumonia – which is now renamed covid….died. And no one seems to think it ridiculous that a fake test against a case of pneumonia says covid.

More propaganda for the Covidiots.

394501 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 12, #258 of 1834 🔗

Possibly more propaganda for the covidiots but also I’m not over keen on anecdotal personal interest stories, in general

When there is not much “new” to report I think the articles above the line ought to focus on re-iterating the basic case against lockdown

I would also like to see some commentary from TY on where he thinks our loony govt are going with the variant nonsense

394507 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 9, #259 of 1834 🔗

I totally agree. Or at least present Major Tom and ground control with some scepticism ie age, known pneumonia, fake tests (coin flip). My dad is in his 80s, systems failing. He will die soon. I will predict that they will test him and declare Covid. If he contracts even a mild flu that will be it, but of course the Covidiots will declare it was Covid. All flus are now Covid.

394539 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FerdIII, 2, #260 of 1834 🔗

same with my mum, and I am already infuriated that the fake word ‘covid’ is gonna go on her death certificate, and I will challenge it if there is any way I can.

394516 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to FerdIII, #261 of 1834 🔗

Also cancer.

394560 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Julian, 4, #262 of 1834 🔗

100 year old man dies of pneumonia. That’s it.

394478 alw, replying to alw, 7, #263 of 1834 🔗

First it was the Russian version of the vaccine and now the Indian version which seems to surpass all.

394498 ▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, 6, #264 of 1834 🔗

The Indian hope trick.

394719 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to alw, 1, #265 of 1834 🔗

That shit is tested in Bhopal, man. ☠️

394721 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #266 of 1834 🔗

And it still managed to kill someone.

394480 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #267 of 1834 🔗

Just wondering when they are going to start closing down these miserable pop up testing centres? The number being tested is declining and I expect many of these are routine healthcare/care staff tests and many more will be hospital patients. Once they start closing these test centres it will be quite a strong signal that this nonsense is in decline

394496 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #268 of 1834 🔗

They’re being replaced by jabberwokeries.

394502 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 2, #269 of 1834 🔗

Arse swabs – with a pike – centres.

394521 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #270 of 1834 🔗

I’ve never seen them busy – all dead and the staff look miserable huddled in the cold and killing time with their mobile phones.

395173 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, #271 of 1834 🔗

Or having a smoke.

395196 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, #272 of 1834 🔗

Have a look at the numbers tested Steve. They are increasing not going down the only number going down is the infections.

394490 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #273 of 1834 🔗

Since March I have been whistling the Soviet national anthem for some reason.
I am also watching The Man in the High Castle, so am being influenced to think about throwing up a one arm salute if I come across any Covid nonsense in public.
Anything a little more subtle I can do instead?

394495 ▶▶ Mr Taxpayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #274 of 1834 🔗

To anyone ‘just obeying the rules/following orders’, try saying “Warum müssen diese Juden erschiessen?” …because the soldiers shooting Jews were just doing what they were told.

394678 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 6, #275 of 1834 🔗

Your German sentence is missing something. Did you mean “Warum müssen wir diese Juden erschiessen?”?

395199 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mattghg, 3, #276 of 1834 🔗

I learnt my German from Victor comics back in the 60’s. So I only learned how to say, yes, no, halt, hands up, pig dog English man, attention and fire.
Never helped me chat up those beautiful German girls!

394500 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #277 of 1834 🔗

Triple diaper?

394492 Mr Taxpayer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 5, #278 of 1834 🔗

Nowhere in the MSM hagiography is anyone asking where the third* most covid-secure person in the country acquired the disease. RIP, killed by ‘our NHS’.

*After the Queen and DofE.

394504 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 9, #279 of 1834 🔗

Was Sir Tom suffering from viral pneumonia or bacterial pneumonia? If it was the latter, did he have to wear a mask at the airport and on the plane for his trip to and from Barbados?

394530 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Margaret, 6, #280 of 1834 🔗

ha ha, good question

394714 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Margaret, 3, #281 of 1834 🔗

Bingo

394524 ▶▶ jos, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 4, #282 of 1834 🔗

And what’s happened to the Queen btw? Not a word of support or commiseration – has she been silenced? We need to know..

394538 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, 3, #283 of 1834 🔗

The DM had something in about her sending condolences but she does appear to have been sidelined, probably by her globalist son, who has wanted the top job for a long time

394990 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to DanClarke, 1, #284 of 1834 🔗

Charlie: Mummy, I’m just trying to sort out my diary (glances down at the vaccination stats). Which company’s jab did you and Pappa receive?

If we ever overthrow these fucks – and the way it’s going that’s exactly what we’ll have to do – the royal family are finished.

394541 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jos, 6, #285 of 1834 🔗

Maybe she thinks it is not appropriate to join in with the wailing and gnashing of teeth and feed the media monster. Why do this family need support or commiseration from the queen any more than any other bereaved family? She may well have sent a message privately, since she had met the men, but I would respect her more if I thought she was treating the family’s grief as a private matter.

394494 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #286 of 1834 🔗

33

394508 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 2, #287 of 1834 🔗

“It’s day 33 in the Big Brother house, and there’s Masonry shenanigans afoot.”

394518 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #288 of 1834 🔗

£32.9999 million rounded up to nearly 33 million. It always pops up.

394534 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 2, #289 of 1834 🔗

Oh, I thought you were referring to him dying on the 33rd day of the year.

394574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #290 of 1834 🔗

Both

394509 Crystal Decanter, 1, #291 of 1834 🔗

A few Simon Webb coof related videos backed up on Bitchute

PREVENTING INFECTION BY THE USE OF MASKS https://www.bitchute.com/video/ANAoDgK9R9aq/

WHY IS BRITAIN’S NHS STRUGGLING TO COPE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AqgMwH5WZSM/

FLUCTUATING RATES OF MORTALITY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM https://www.bitchute.com/video/04hYVPgt1RfA/

NO CASES AT ALL OF FLU IN THE UNITED KINGDOM- A MEDICAL TRIUMPH https://www.bitchute.com/video/hx79LeiUNXN4/

394526 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #293 of 1834 🔗

yes, absolutely ; Dr Coleman sees very clearly what is going on here

394527 Zach, replying to Zach, 37, #294 of 1834 🔗

I have been in Tanzania since October where there is no covid testing, hence no cases, so life goes on as normal. No masks/social distancing, all shops, bars, restaurants are open.

394569 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Zach, 5, #295 of 1834 🔗

At this rate we’ll all be coming to join you! Save us all a space.

394614 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Zach, 1, #296 of 1834 🔗

Sounds comfy
save me a pet Thyacline

394625 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #297 of 1834 🔗

Isn’t that Tasmania?

395215 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Zach, 2, #298 of 1834 🔗

Sounds lovely. I am glad somebody is free and living life. I tell you something, when this shit is over I am NEVER going to take my freedom and life for granted ever again. Whatever end of the candel I can find I am going to burn that mothetfucker as brightly as I can.

396091 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Zach, 1, #299 of 1834 🔗

My friend managed to sneak out of the country after Christmas to escape this authoritarian shithole and the shit weather and he went to Tanzania for sunshine and beer. He reports similar plus ashtrays at the bar. Lucky sod.

394533 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #300 of 1834 🔗

Run as many hares as you can

Children, today we will be looking through the oblong window. Oblong? children you don’t need to know as none of you will ever get jobs

Today smiling Ted is going to tell us a fairy story about ‘absolutely superb’ results. He will tell us about ‘asymptomatic testing’. ‘Asymptomatic testing’ is when you search for something that isn’t there using something that doesn’t work. It’s like magic but costs more

SSShhhh!!! Johnny stop talking. I know you want to talk about vaccine slaughter in the care homes but you will have to be patient and wait until you are an old man

394548 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Cecil B, 3, #301 of 1834 🔗

Its like magic but costs more…spot on.

394555 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #303 of 1834 🔗

Didn’t his younger brother commit suicide last year during lockdown?

394557 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #304 of 1834 🔗

Ms Carrie’s idea for a replacement? Come to think of it, she seems to prefer them on the, shall we say, well covered side!

394568 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #305 of 1834 🔗

What do they call that, Munchausen Syndrome, you cause the problem then look saintly putting it right

394540 Mike, replying to Mike, 18, #306 of 1834 🔗

Is it me or does LS seem to be talking mainly about the magic jab nowadays? Regardless of whether you are pro or anti vax (or simply pro choice and personal responsibility) it seems articles over recent weeks are spending a lot of time discussing the merits of one poison over another for a virus which is hardly different from previous bad years of seasonal flu; with the biggest and probably most devastating difference being our absolutely mental responce to it…..

394752 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mike, 9, #307 of 1834 🔗

Let’s be clear.

It’s not about being ‘pro’ or ‘anti’ vax.

It’s about being pro proper science, testing and regulation.

Remember, the government document proposing the curtailment of a normal trial period starts with a stark lie :

COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history,”

394980 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 2, #308 of 1834 🔗

agree. Ive had lots of vaxes, so have the kids.. But these were shown to work and were tested.
Buggered if i am going to take a vax that
a) hasnt been tested property
b) hasnt been proved to work
c) I dont need anyway

394546 steve, replying to steve, 23, #309 of 1834 🔗

Sorry Toby, but Another article pumping MSM views. Obviously can’t be seen to be questioning why we even need a vax.

Pfizer’s own trial study 42000 people could only find 171 “cases” out of the 21000 placebo group.

They could only find 0.8% of people who even tested +ve with the bogus PCR test, let alone develop anything serious.

In the “old” days people might have stood back and thought an 300 % rise in deaths the week you started Injecting people in care homes would have warranted a brief moment of pause to investigate but what crazy idea that is.

No carry on keep the vax train steaming ahead.

I asked that very question to 3 people yesterday and their response was “…ah a few reactions are to be expected”

People have had enough reading and hearing the usual rubbish. They need to be in brainwashed.

What happened? last March you are a the only journalist asking questions.

Now this site (whoever is writing it now) is just another part of the problem.

If anyone wants an alternative view go to
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-the-grim-milestone-of-100000-covid-deaths-is-nonsense/

394645 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to steve, 4, #310 of 1834 🔗

People also seems to be missing the point that the so called vax (which many know it isn’t) has only been shown to reduce symptoms in some people in the very short trials so far undertaken.. And that’s MILD symptoms, not symptoms that result in hospital and death. Perhaps a tickly throat, a runny nose, a fever etc. Well plenty of vit c etc can do that and far more effective and safe. I know this morning the msm have been told to put out “superb vaccine, stops transmission for 12 weeks”…Yes right… Well pretty much every day for the last week to 10 days, I have received messages from friends and relatives that someone else they know has just had one of the vax and now very ill and supposedly having tested positive and yet they have all been in lockdown going nowhere, have been perfectly well and virus free this past year (despite going out and about when not locked down). So superb it most certainly isn’t. What is the point of it at all no matter how brainwashed and how much a person wants this vaccine.

394659 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Suzyv, 5, #311 of 1834 🔗

The government extended the gap between the jabs from 3 weeks to 3 months and hey presto the first jab gives protection for up to 3 months.
All there any thinking rational people left in this country.

395022 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, #312 of 1834 🔗

It could be a form of exit strategy, especially if they continue to claim the first jab is effective for longer and longer periods.

394702 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to steve, 9, #313 of 1834 🔗

I’m LOVING Conservative Woman. I never thought I’d find myself saying that.

394556 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 48, #314 of 1834 🔗

Poor Captain Tom. Taken too soon, his whole life ahead of him. I was shocked when he died, I confess that I never saw it coming.

And now I emote, in public, and gather up my virtue, and sport it as fine brocade, and tweet florid prose of another soldier lost in this Great War of attrition that calls each man to bravely take his station, to valiantly masturbate on the sofa, to wear his battle pyjamas at midday, to patriotically consume hours of daytime telly, to buy even more Chinese shit from Amazon, and to hear the rallying cry of our latter day Churchill, St Boris of Johnson, who stirs our souls and nannies our state.

Poor Tom, in three days hence I shall have but not a single solitary fuck to give, the matter quite forgotten. *sad face*.

394957 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #315 of 1834 🔗

Hes wiv da angles now.

395419 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to AidanR, #316 of 1834 🔗

Yes!! My favourite comment on these occasions.

394561 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #317 of 1834 🔗

I want to know how anyone can say ‘it could have been worse’ if we hadn’t trashed everyone’s life and had been selective. We need proof for a random statement like that.

394603 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 14, #318 of 1834 🔗

Dan, the problem is that people are holding onto their world view in the face of immense cognitive dissonance. They really don’t want to hear that all this has been for nothing – in fact that it’s done actual harm to just about every sector of society. They don’t want to hear it and they can’t accept it.

The facts are clearer to sceptics because we thought this lockdown was always a bad idea.

394743 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, 4, #319 of 1834 🔗

The other astonishing feature has been that it took very simple analysis to show how massively over-hyped was the hysteria – the sort of thing any half-competent real journalist should have been onto. Yet we were faced with a wall of silence.

394885 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RickH, 2, #320 of 1834 🔗

Over 90% of the worlds media are owned by 6 corporations so not so very astonishing at all I would attest.

395040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #321 of 1834 🔗

I was interested to learn that Bezos owns The Washington Post .

394955 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, 2, #322 of 1834 🔗

It could have been worse – we could have continued to labour under the false impression that our fellow Brits were not a bunch of sheep with the capacity for rational thought of a waldorf salad.

395035 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, 2, #323 of 1834 🔗

The Brits were rather more willing to keep going to the slaughter in WW1 than those of certain other nations, and the minority of “conchies” were persecuted with the support of most people. I would say history suggests the British are neither particularly freedom-loving nor rational.

395067 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Waldorf, #324 of 1834 🔗

I quite agree.

394562 alw, replying to alw, 12, #325 of 1834 🔗

It is all too easy too criticise Sir Tom and one doesn’t have to agree with his fundraising. He was a man with indomitable spirit and even in his hundredth year rose to the challenge. Where are those who criticise standing up to our government and lockdown nonsense? He was truly a man with backbone which is surely lacking in our world today. He triumphed in adversity. A fine example of our nation’s best.

It is also too easy to criticise LS and sometimes I too despair and head to the comments. But this is all about free speech and as adults it is up to us to allow it to continue. Sadly now even the Spectator churns out virus nonsense so have cancelled my subscription. I retain my low cost subscription to the Telegraph, (cheaper than a pint of beer), which is unfortunately the shadow of its former self because comments are allowed on some articles and always on the letters page. A cathartic experience and good to know. Long live Free Speech.

394575 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to alw, 8, #326 of 1834 🔗

And long live the free speech of the Daily Telegraph, that bids you pay for the privilege of being the audience it sells to its advertisers, and strings you along with whatever the obscenely wealthy Barclay brothers deem fit to be fed to you as ‘news’, managing carefully the narrow window on events through which you peek, and, nay, your very thoughts about same. And for the price of a beer! Rejoice! (though truth be told, the beer would bring you the greater profit).

394608 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #327 of 1834 🔗

It’s brother now, one of them cocked their clogs couple of weeks ago bet it was that covid that did him.

394617 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #328 of 1834 🔗

Hooray!

394739 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #329 of 1834 🔗

The problem is that there now is no MS media that is relatively independent of vested interests – and real journalism is a vanishing art.

The Covid business has really shown this up starkly.

394950 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 1, #330 of 1834 🔗

The problem is that there now is no MS media that is relatively independent of vested interests

There never was.

Truly intrepid journalism always was a fringe activity. Ask Glenn Greenwald.

394948 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #331 of 1834 🔗

If you want to read what the enemy is saying, run Firefox or Brave browser, with the NoScript plugin.

Telegraph paywall doesn’t work then.

If you pay for that propaganda you’re part of the problem.

394979 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to AidanR, #332 of 1834 🔗

or for chrome (and other browsers) go to settings and disable java script for telegraph.co.uk. and that gets you past the paywall

394599 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 2, #333 of 1834 🔗

I ditched both subscriptions when I realised they had succumbed to the covid hysteria.

394563 alw, 20, #334 of 1834 🔗

COVID-19 cases will drop like a rock from here on, and the reason for that is simple. One hour after Joe Biden’s inauguration as the 46th president of the United States, the World Health Organization suddenly and out of the blue lowered the recommended PCR cycle threshold (CT), 1 , 2 which automatically guarantees that the number of “cases,” i.e., positive PCR test results, will plummet.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/03/who-changes-ct-value-pcr.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20210203&mid=DM784138&rid=1074509549

394566 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 23, #335 of 1834 🔗

This madness won’t end until a critical mass of people decide they’ve had enough. But how can we break through into the lazy and terrified minds of the citizens who go along with this nonsense? How can we circumvent the mass media’s love of restrictions and the censorship of tech giants?

It’s clear that data and cold facts don’t work and often get memory holed. I think we need to focus on the consequences of our policies and the feelings they should invoke in everyone, even those who believe the government has had little choice in their actions thus far.

I propose the hash tag #whathavewedone?

Not what have ‘they’ done, we’ll get nowhere if we start with a divisive message that immediately switches off half the country.

#whathavewedone? frames the poster as an innocent interlocutor who may just be waking up to these facts and have no obvious agenda.

Don’t stick it on stories where people are questioning data or warning of a great reset. Stick it on simple, irrefutable stories of human suffering caused by this government’s policies.

So every story we share on social media about kids self harming, adults committing suicide, pensioners dying of loneliness, poverty levels reverting to those of the last millennium – we should add the hashtag #whathavewedone?

It could trend and reach all corners of the country and by making the blame seem collective it will allow even the zealots and sheep to begin thinking about the consequences of our madness.

Remember, this isn’t about letting anyone off the hook, justice will be sought down the line. But what we need to do first is get that critical mass of people awake and acknowledging the damage of lockdowns.

We have to wake up the sheep and we’ll only do this by stirring their feelings, just as our government abusers did last Spring.

#whathavewedone?

Sow those seeds of doubt people. They’ll eventually become saplings of insurrection.

394582 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PompeyJunglist, 10, #336 of 1834 🔗

It’s clear that data and cold facts don’t work and often get memory holed.” True in part. All avenues will have some effect – be they logical or emotional arguments. What is missing is the delivery of our message with anything like the frequency and coverage that the govt assisted by every major global and domestic institution and media outlet.

Propaganda works – we have been outspent by a ratio of millions.

394584 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Julian, 2, #337 of 1834 🔗

I agree, which is in part why I think an innocent questioning hashtag is about our best chance of making an impact against the tide.

394594 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #338 of 1834 🔗

I agree and all we can do is our best, and tap up any billionaires we know to give us a helping hand

394722 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #339 of 1834 🔗

Yes. I think that the degree of propagandised media coverage has surprised even those of us who thought we recognized the situation.

394609 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #340 of 1834 🔗

They have to suffer
They are too comfy

394849 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #341 of 1834 🔗

Exactly this. With furlough and other benefits, plus full salaries for stay-at-home “workers” in some categories, the cringing masses aren’t suffering enough. Netflix and iFood are the modern bread and circuses.

Take a moment to read the Postcard from …. articles that cover countries with no safety net for the less well off. Today has a great example, the comfortably off expats want more restrictions and control, yet the normal folk are struggling to put food on the table. They have no time for lockdown, starvation is closer at hand than any mildly dodgy flu. The one from South Africa carried a similar message, and from first-hand experience in Brazil I can tell you it’s the same here.

In Brazil the public servants, teachers and other privileged groups are all for lockdown, but their salary is paid in full every month without fail. The money has run out for the auxiliary payments so we now have more unemployed people with no source of income and a family to feed. Having some well fed busybody living in a nice house telling you to stay at home doesn’t cut it when your kids are going hungry. Our governor is going to cut back on the restrictions he decreed quite simply because no-one is following them anyway, he is just saving face.

Basically that is the problem that is facing the UK, too many people are comfortable with the restrictions. That won’t change until the suffering starts.

394688 ▶▶ C S, replying to PompeyJunglist, 4, #342 of 1834 🔗

I shared the BBC (I know!) article this morning that talked about the increased levels of self-harm seen among children in A&E departments. I also included the quote from a doctor who specifically said that is is lockdown causing this (“L ockdown “massively exacerbates any pre-existing mental health issues – fears, anxieties, feelings of disconnection and isolation,” says A&E consultant Dave Greenhorn). Another sign the BBC is waking up and doesnt want to be on the “wrong” side as all these negative effects come into the mainstream?

Anyway, one person commented on how the mental health fall out from coronavirus is coming”. I know she is struggling with her mental health, particularly with all the home schooling. My point, though, is that people still genuinely think of these “side effects” as having been caused by coronavirus. I was quick to point out that increased self-harm is just one negative cost but that it isnt caused by cornonavirus directly – rather the draconian lockdown measures.

While we all know the BBC have not put forward balanced news throughout all of this, I believe we should all continue to share on our social media pages any and all BBC articles that point out negative impacts. Lockdown zealots have been following the BBC like a religion so they should at least see these articles as being more credible…

394570 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 19, #343 of 1834 🔗

Feeling rather low today living in the SNP dictatorship. Clearly Sturgeon will try to keep the scare going as long as possible as her position becomes increasingly shaky with the fallout from the Salmond case catching up with her. Cheered myself up a little bit by looking at the Russian figures. Interesting times when Russia becomes a beacon of freedom and hope for the world.

394593 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Guirme, 7, #344 of 1834 🔗

Russia, I admit, is looking more appealing these days.

394651 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #345 of 1834 🔗

It shows what state we are in when a corrupt dictatorship seems preferable to home.
At least in Russia you can have personal freedoms.

394660 ▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #346 of 1834 🔗

Corrupt dictatorship? Sturgeon exactly.

394664 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #347 of 1834 🔗

Corrupt dictatorship – I suspect you are confusing contemporary Russia with the US-backed Yeltsin Russia.

394715 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #348 of 1834 🔗

One of the side-effects of this shit-show is exaggerated ‘oppositionism’ – a syndrome where alternative disaster is held up as something better by virtue of not being the original..

So, because Biden is appalling, Trump has a queue of arse-lickers, and Putin’s murderous mafia dictatorship gets held up as something to be embraced.

It’s a bonkers form of Whataboutery.

394571 isobar, 4, #349 of 1834 🔗

Wait till our boys in blue get wind of this. Strictly come policing! https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40218839.html

394572 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 29, #350 of 1834 🔗

My turn to vent, because I know I am amoungst friends.

If I had written this last night, in anger, then it would have been written completely differently. Now, in the cold light of day, I can think rationally. So what caused the anger?

It started just after the initial posts on here about Tom Moore’s death. Of course, within minutes, the media were all over it, loudly proclaiming that Covid had killed him, with little emphasis on the pneumonia that he had been suffering from. It was inevitable of course, but I have no doubt that from the minute he went into hospital, the stories were there, ready to be run at a moments notice. It made me angry that a man’s life could be used in such a way, to further an agenda. To the media, he was merely “click-bait” to increase their advertising revenues.

While I sat there brooding on this the phone rang, my mother, who has the knack of ringing at the right or more often the wrong time. It is a standing joke with us.We exchanged the usual pleasantries then she came out with “the virus has struck”. She was calm, and she was rational, but she spoke quickly as if to get the information out before the emotions took over, so I didn’t quite get who had died. All I really took in was, in and out of hospital with cancer, went in with an infection, two negative tests then the day she was released they tested her again, had a positive test and she died the next day. Covid killed her.

Now I know that I talk to her in a rational manner about how the MSM have been bending the truth and I often use things that I have learnt through this site to teach her that everything is not as it seems. She takes it all in, and will usually tell me that everytime we talk, I make perfect sense to her, but she is still scared. So far though, she has luckily been insulated from any personal loss. So I tried to explain to her that it was far more likely that the infection that she went in for killed her in reality but everything is being blamed on covid to keep up the illusion of how deadly it is, then I said the fatal words,

“You only have to look at =what has been goign on in the last half hour.”

“What do you mean?”

“Tom Moore has died, and already the media are all over it saying that he was a victim of covid, totally ignoring the fact that he was in hospital with pneumonia, which kills hundreds of thousands every year worldwide.”

At that point, my totally rational, semi calm mother, who had just been discussing the death of her neice (as it turned out), turned into an uncontrollable sobbing mass on the other end of the phone. She couldn’t continue the conversation, so we said our goodbyes and despite her wishes, I got in the car and drover the 60 or so miles in abysmal driving conditons because I was scared at that point for her life.

And as I drove, the anger in me rose.

[cont]………

394591 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #351 of 1834 🔗

I lost both parents some years ago, not because of Covid I must add, I think of them every day and thank the Lord they are not around to witness the collapse of the western world.

394622 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #352 of 1834 🔗

I feel fortunate that both of my parents died before 9/11. As Americans, they would have slipped into the same mental morass as the rest of the population. They were both mentally frail people and the current situation would have been too much for them.

394626 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 43, #353 of 1834 🔗

So what made me so angry. There were now two things. Utmost in my mind was that the media had turned a sweet, live loving individual who had seen enough hard times in her life into a gibbering wreck who was losing the will to live. Over the last five or so years, she has had a partners, ten years older than her at 88, who treats her like his wife and gives her everything she ever wanted. They would go away together for weekends, share special moments together, and it made her the happiest that I have ever seen her. She knows that their time together is limited, so this last year what they have lost has been precious time together. They still see each other, because he is nearly blind, and she looks after him, but gone are the trips away, the special meals at a good restaurant. She sees no end to it and that time cannot be returned to them.

But on top of all she has lost, is the added stress of the dread that has been instilled by the constant bombardment of propaganda. Tom Moore was just the latest. Her reaction over his death, when compared her reaction at news of the death of her niece, shows just how much the media and the SiP-B should hang their heads in shame.

The last few months of Tom Moore’s life, he was used and manipulated by an establishment, solely for their own purposes without any thought for him, in my opinion. I have no doubt that his Knighthood was just part of a more elaborate plan to use him. Yes, he deserved it, for the deeds that he has done, much of which has been squandered by the NHS. But it gave those in charge a new figurehead in the propaganda
crusade. “Save the NHS” was no longer working. Most people had now seen just how little the NHS was doing for us and just thought who gives a shit. They needed something else for people to cling onto. Captain Tom Moore was the perfect patsy for them. A decorated war hero, multi-million pound charity raiser despite his age, for the very organisation that most had given up on. What a great way to reinvigorate the campaign they thought.

Then you have to look at the role that British Airways played in his demise. This much maligned organisation, another “icon” of Brtiain has had no end of bad press, most of it totally justified for their customer relations response to the crisis. You can almost hear the PR gurus when they found out that a desire to visit the Caribbian had always been on his bucket list. “Let’s fly him there. Our planes are empy anyway and it doesn’t cost us anything but the publicity will be phoenominal.” Did anybody, even his family, really consider the implications of a 100 year old man flying for ten hours each way, with a face mask on for much of the time, and what effect that might have on his health?

As others have pointed out, the onset of pneumonia soon after that trip was no surprise at all. Wearing a face mask for that long, in a pressurised environment with lower oxygen levels anyway, as the air pressure is equivalent to that of at least 6,000′ (8,000 in older aircraft), there is no way that I would contemplate it, and I have flown 30,000 miles in ten days before now and am half his age. So you have to ask yourself, how much were BA and his family, (who agreed to the trip) complicit in his demise. The family, you can understand. They wanted the best for him and make his final days as memorable as possible. BA, I can be less forgiving of, because they did it just for the publicity which they milked from it.

So he finally passed, in hospital. You think that they would have allowed him to pass in peace, but no. Even that has become a media circus. Somebody yesterday likened it to the Diana syndrome. This is worse, because it is sheer manipulation. Diana’s death was more of a shock factor, it was suddden and unexpected. This is more like Mahatma Gandhi’s, well publicised and devisive. All the cries of Pray for Tom, simply to reinforce the agenda that this deadly virus has taken another from our busom and we should all be aware of it’s deadly effects and keep ourselves safe, protect ourselves and take the vaccine.

Even in the hour of his death, those in charge could not help themselves. They had to weaponise his passing for their own purpose.

That’s what made me VERY angry.

You will be glad to know though they apart form a lot of tears when she found me stood on her doorstep getting rather wet last night, I left my mother in a lot calmer and happier frame of mind, and a little more informed about how things are being manipulated and how it affects us all.

Thanks for the opportunity to vent. Hope the day goes well.

394634 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #354 of 1834 🔗

Well done for helping your Mum.

394674 ▶▶▶ danteinhell, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #355 of 1834 🔗

You have my utmost understanding and sympathy. Those of us who still retain an ounce of rational thinking will undoubtedly have moments of anger and despair. We are under constant psychological manipulation and hysteria.
I had my own moment last night when a friend who works in a care home text me. She now has to do 3 covid tests a week! 2 rapid tests and one sent to the lab. I just burst into tears. For her, for her family, for everyone.

394687 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #356 of 1834 🔗

Really sorry to hear about the effect the psy-ops have had on your Mum, Richy. We’re ruled- and we are ruled, not governed- by utterly amoral people whose only concern for this country is that they should continue to rule it. Hope you get as much from this site as I do to help you to KBO.
You’ve used your anger to give us two great posts, anyway- thanks for posting. I agree with every word about Tom Moore.

394696 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #357 of 1834 🔗

Your answer to the question “ So what made me so angry …?” reflects particular responses to shared reactions.

Your first part particularly rings bells – the curtailment of real life, particularly if you don’t have much of it left.

394709 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #358 of 1834 🔗

And this is what makes me so angry is that it is all deliberate, that other human beings can deliberately scare people to such an extent. Why would anyone think this was right?!?

Glad you went and saw your mum, whatever your difference of opinions she will still need your love.

394730 ▶▶▶ willnotcomply, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #359 of 1834 🔗

I agree, your anger is a normal reaction. We are under continual psychological assault and manipulation, our freedoms have been taken from us and we are being denied even the right to gather and speak out. I range between anger and despair on a daily basis.
This has gone in too long.

394760 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #360 of 1834 🔗

Thanks for both your posts and reading how all this has affected your mum. I think this is why seeing pensioners out and about wearing masks has been disturbing for me and Mr Bart and we think a lot of this is because they have been scared shitless by the MSM or bullied by their own children or both.

The bit about Captain Tom is so true and I won’t be surprised if the mask actually caused the pneumonia. That’s why I tutted when I saw the Queen wear one when she went to Westminster Abbey. I mean, why? There were only three of them (OK, 4 including the photographer) and if they were muzzled up it was not necessary for HM to wear one. Especially the risks with bacterial pneumonia.

394813 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #361 of 1834 🔗

You are looking after her so well. I have a son who never flew the nest and as an adult he lives with me. Prior to covid some of my friends regarded him as a failure because he hasn’t left home. But over this past year I have been glad to have him around. We keep each other vaguely sane. Give your Mum a hug from me.

394909 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #362 of 1834 🔗

Thanks to all of you who have so far commented on this. It is reassuring to know that my feelings are not unusual, and for the concern for the elderly population in general.

And I had absolutely no reluctance last night in giving her a fucking long hug, and bollocks to the rules. Sometimes, it is the best therapy.

394920 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #363 of 1834 🔗

I’m glad you came here to vent and that your Mum is ok. The causing of mass hysteria, particularily on our elders, is blood boiling, especially when they would normally be calm and rational.
Good point raised about the long flight and mask wearing, it’s bound to have messed with his aged lungs.

395005 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Ganjan21, #364 of 1834 🔗

So now it’s all clap for Tom.

As I said earlier “Even in the hour of his death, those in charge could not help themselves. They had to weaponise his passing for their own purpose.”

I can feel the anger rising again. Fucking SiP-B bastards.

394576 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #365 of 1834 🔗

Refering to the flu epeidemic of 1968-70 it is said in this article:-

https://www.qmul.ac.uk/mei/news-and-opinion/items/how-do-brits-react-to-an-epidemic-what-can-polling-from-the-past-tell-us.html

The second wave which began late 1969 – and concentrating in a 6-week peak starting mid-December – was much more severe. The number of sickness benefit claims peaked at 750,000, flu-related consultations at 1,260 per 100,000 and the death rate attributed to flu, bronchitis and pneumonia at 10,500 in one week right at the beginning of January.

The population must have been a lot less fifty years ago. Covid deaths for the week ending the 22nd January this year, which are likely to be the second wave’s highest, are put at 9,052.

Deaths from all causes for the week ending on the 22nd were 18,676. What was the highest weekly number in January, 1970? That would seem the best way to compare the two years.

I turned 23 in January, 1970 and I have no recall at all of the “Grim Reaper” then being feared the way it is now.

394605 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #366 of 1834 🔗

About 9 million fewer people then.

The age structure of the population was also very different, so that very many of those deaths were children, young or middle-aged.

394798 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to rockoman, 1, #367 of 1834 🔗

Have you any facts to back that up?

394620 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #368 of 1834 🔗

FLUCTUATING RATES OF MORTALITY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/04hYVPgt1RfA/

394635 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ned of the Hills, #369 of 1834 🔗

3 score years and 10 was the going rate, if you lived longer then that was a bonus.
Now I think that the average life span is about 82? so let us live out the rest of our lives, normally.
10 years (on average) for me and Mrs FP.

394672 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #370 of 1834 🔗

I was 13 in 1969. My grandparents and great-grandparents lived directly opposite us, other side of street. I have no memory of the pandemic whatsoever.

394683 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #371 of 1834 🔗

I remember it – I caught a moderate infection, although not as badly as ten years previously. That previous virus was pretty horrendous in severe cases.

But, no – in neither case did the world come to a stop.

394718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to RickH, 1, #372 of 1834 🔗

I was ten in 1968 and remember watching something about it on Whicker’s World.

394942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Londo Mollari, #373 of 1834 🔗

Now there was a journalist. Present when Petacci and Mussolini were strung up in Milan.

394656 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #374 of 1834 🔗

We got married in late 1969. I do remember going to my GP for something as we were living in a flat near where I had been living with my parents. We were waiting for our first house to be finished being built before we moved and changed GP. No idea now why I went to GP and can’t remember anything going on.

394792 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peterthepainter, 1, #375 of 1834 🔗

I was working in London at the time and was not even aware of a flu epidemic.

395051 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to peterthepainter, 1, #376 of 1834 🔗

Hard to believe Woodstock with its vast zonked-out crowds took place during a flu pandemic.

394681 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #377 of 1834 🔗

“second wave” What ‘second wave’? Early January had a somewhat above-average number of deaths after a normal run pre-Christmas.

Crucially, we don’t know what those deaths can be attributed too, although we do know that the degree of misattribution is serious. It is likely that deaths from lockdown are beginning to show significantly.

394788 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #378 of 1834 🔗

i recall having really bad flu as a kid around that time and definitely being ill in bed on christmas day .

395137 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #379 of 1834 🔗

I started university (Imperial College as it happens – I was so proud to go there at the time!) a month or so into the first epidemic wave of Hong Kong flu in 1968. I must have been very busy ‘settling in’ to university (social) life that it passed by me and, apparently, the rest of the London University student body, completely.

My one lasting reminder is that I bought a copy of this record from my favourite reggae shop in Portobello Road (I recall it cost me 1 and 6). I still have it today, and it has had quite a few airings over the past 12 months. Played very loudly when I am feeling pissed off, it makes me feel so much better.

394577 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 30, #380 of 1834 🔗

Re the young “tiktok” man and Whitty,

Surely as Whitty and his gang of vile corrupt criminals seem to want to ruin the life chances and potentially any possibility of future parenthood for these youngsters it`s amazing that the likes of Whitty and his fascist medical junta have the audacity to walk anywhere without security in the UK today.

Yesterday a cheeky tiktok video tomorrow a bicycle chain or bar stool i hope.

394597 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to nickbowes, 16, #381 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps now they will begin to understand, and to know fear. The backlash is brewing.

394695 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #382 of 1834 🔗

Problem is they are all in gated communities ………………………… for now

394716 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #383 of 1834 🔗

Rightly or wrongly, I suspect this is a taste of the backlash that is coming the way of Whitty and the others.

394601 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 20, #384 of 1834 🔗

Or, was the episode a set-up perhaps. Why would the head of PHE go out and get his own lunch, wouldn’t he have a minion to do that or get something delivered. Might it have been just a bit more theatre to further demonise LS?

394607 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 11, #385 of 1834 🔗

It does seem strange that he appeared to have nobody with him. Mrs Biggles bumped into Rishi Sunak last year and he was surrounded by his security detail.

394612 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 15, #386 of 1834 🔗

And he just stood there. Chris Whitty doesn’t strike me as one of life’s courageous types. I would have expected him, on being essentially abused by an ‘oik’, to have scarpered pretty sharpish.

394676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to kh1485, 4, #387 of 1834 🔗

He certainly did last time it happened… wish I’d saved that vid from months ago. Pret a manger I think.

394735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Coronabonus, 4, #388 of 1834 🔗

Prat a Manger in his case!

394649 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Biggles, 7, #389 of 1834 🔗

We regularly saw David Cameron in and around Polzeath. My kids body surfed alongside him & his family (either he’s very good at body surfing or he had a great board?), in the shops he was friendly to people & remembered the staff’s names. His security detail must have been about but were very discreet. This was while he was PM. It impressed me. I thought at the time, I couldn’t imagine Sarkozy or Putin queuing up for an ice cream like he did.

394610 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 2, #390 of 1834 🔗

I wondered that too

394618 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to kh1485, 5, #391 of 1834 🔗

Why wouldn’t he go out and get his own lunch though? It’s about the only thing a person can do apart from work or stay at home. Everyone needs to escape their work environment for 10 minutes now and then.

394724 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #392 of 1834 🔗

He regularly grabs lunch down that street, it’s not the first time he’s been accosted there and filmed. I was more intrigued as to what he was doing out in his shirt sleeves at the beginning of February.

394776 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to leggy, 6, #393 of 1834 🔗

that’s why i have suspicions about it . there is nothing to prove it was filmed in the last couple of days. and now might be a good time to get some pro Whitty support out there in sheepland so why not engineer something

394933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, #394 of 1834 🔗

I saw a man in shorts in North London yesterday. Rather daring…

394623 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 5, #395 of 1834 🔗

A neat diversion to get a reaction. Must be his time for 2 weeks off after getting ‘pinged’ 😉

It also looked like strutton ground market off of Victoria Street in London (I used to drink in the Grafton arms pub on strutton ground).

Does he work on Victoria Street?

394667 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 3, #396 of 1834 🔗

Quite so. Agree entirely. Nice bit of false-flagging by our friends at J-TRIG, methinx.
I still can’t find your bloody caff- oops, soz, bijou ristorante and takeaway- on Tripadvisor, despite having been told how to locate it twice, BTW!

394738 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #397 of 1834 🔗

You don’t work for the authorities do you? Oh no, they know where I am! Er … our place is listed on the ‘Open for Business’ bit above.

Don’t like to name the place as I’m not here to plug it (really).

394762 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 2, #398 of 1834 🔗

Oh, I know, I wouldn’t ask or want you to…..it’s just bloody irksome that everybody on here can find it except me!

394693 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nickbowes, 6, #399 of 1834 🔗

The boy done good. Liar – very apt, very to the point. Couldn’t have done better myself.

394742 ▶▶ gina, replying to nickbowes, 6, #400 of 1834 🔗

I’m with you. Politics and the wielding of power has historically involved rumbustuous, sometimes dangerous encounters with the lowly common man. And Chris Whitty could always have adhered to the civil service code for advisors and remained anonymous. He chose to strut his stuff in public.

395343 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to nickbowes, 1, #401 of 1834 🔗

Whitty decidedly had the look of a gun dog on the 2nd day of training about him.

One of my biggest shocks these last 12 months has been Hancock and now Whitty having the audacity to stroll around in broad daylight without security.

I imagine they’ll be less brazen once furlough ends and we move into squeaky bum time for the economy.

394578 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 9, #402 of 1834 🔗

story 1:-
100 year old charming but very frail man dies , but of course it’s covid.
What kind of nonsense is this ?
story 2 :-.
Sputnik vaccine which no one is sure they trust. What ! , trust the “vaccine” ?? Does anyone here trust any “vaccine”

Gave up ready right there.

394624 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #403 of 1834 🔗

while (true):
russian vaccine bad
english vaccine good

394657 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to norwegian, 2, #404 of 1834 🔗

Russia evil. Russia the source of all evil in the world. I’d hoped this lame dog had limped off the stage when the Soviet Union collapsed.

394710 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #405 of 1834 🔗

Russia under Soviet communism was apparently more acceptable than Russia under Orthodox Christianity and free enterprise.

394754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #406 of 1834 🔗

Yep.

395345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #407 of 1834 🔗

🙂

In Kyiv, you can buy toilets rolls with Putin’s face on every sheet. He is ‘less than popular’ in Ukraine right now.

395059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #408 of 1834 🔗

Power politics. It was OK-ish for the West under Yeltsin, who kept the armed forces weak. Unfortunately Putin picked Russia off the floor, so what a bad man.

394665 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to norwegian, 7, #409 of 1834 🔗

Same playbook

British/Ulster nationalism BAD
Welsh/Scottish nationalism GOOD

USA nationalism BAD
EU Nationalism GOOD

394580 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #410 of 1834 🔗

Mr Whitty was called a liar while standing in his shirt in midwinter waiting for food. ‘Chris Whitty is one of our greatest living scientists and his advice to the Government all the way through this, and his advice to all of us in the population, has been incredibly smart and thoughtful, and he is a great asset to this nation. The idea that someone would do something as silly as that is ridiculous.’ said Mr Hancock. The whole scenario and statement is weird.

394588 ▶▶ jos, replying to DanClarke, 11, #411 of 1834 🔗

It’s fake just like most of the stuff in the MSM – they are avoiding the truth like the… well, you know what

394644 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 11, #412 of 1834 🔗

The area in question is in Westminster.On the day in question it was quite mild.
I don’t believe it’s fake.The boy aired it on Tik Tok.
It shows the self assurance of the government that this man is out on his own walking openly.
In 6 months when the public realise the damage he has wrought he will need an armed guard.

394655 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #413 of 1834 🔗

I still think it’s as likely to have been a setup, JP.

395068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #414 of 1834 🔗

Probably. I have mentioned it before but I was in a Waterstone’s once when John Major came in, and although he was no longer PM his security was very much in evidence.

395336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Waldorf, 1, #415 of 1834 🔗

Ex-PMs know too much. The ‘security’ almost certainly have orders to kill them rather than let them be kidnapped. 🙂

394670 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, 5, #416 of 1834 🔗

Regardless of what we think of CW, I think it is off to abuse people in the street. Wouldn’t like it if it happened to JHB, Sir Graham Brady etc.

394814 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to arfurmo, 4, #417 of 1834 🔗

Abused he should be hung

394816 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Jaguarpig, 6, #418 of 1834 🔗

I really must object. He should be hanged.

394944 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to arfurmo, 3, #419 of 1834 🔗

I would agree with you. Didn’t stop Cressida Dick suggesting that people do it to “shame” those not wearing masks though.

395340 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, #420 of 1834 🔗

Normally, of course it’s ‘off’. Manners maketh man.

At the moment though, my main feeling is that insufficient swear words and insults were used.

395376 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to arfurmo, 1, #421 of 1834 🔗

Whilst under normal circumstances I’d agree, how about they restore our freedoms completely before asking us to respect theirs.

All those whose lives and livelihoods have been destroyed have every right to call these liars out in public.

These nefarious pricks enjoy a free ride in press debriefings so blame the media for his dressing down.

I detest bullying of any kind but if the press aren’t going to challenge them then Joe Public are gonna have to step up. They should never enjoy a comfortable moment of freedom whilst subjecting us to this horse-shit, especially due to a moderate to bad flu.

395019 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to DanClarke, 1, #422 of 1834 🔗

Someone should tell Hancock that Josef Mengele was also regarded as great by his superiors.

394583 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #423 of 1834 🔗
395734 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #424 of 1834 🔗

I’ve been banging on about HCQ since May or June last year.

394590 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #425 of 1834 🔗

Have the government got Munchausen Syndrome. Where you cause so many problems and look like the hero when you save the day, ‘Children’s Mental Health Minister appointed’.

394638 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to DanClarke, 8, #426 of 1834 🔗

Yes. Munchaussen by Proxy. Where the mentally unwell person makes others over whom they have control suffer. They then get the attention they crave from physicians.

394777 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 3, #427 of 1834 🔗

Yesterday I learnt we have 109 government ministers, the more the merrier I say. another day, another government parasite.

395075 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #428 of 1834 🔗

Typically about one in three of the governing party’s MPs. Better pay and conditions than a backbencher, and the hope of becoming Parliamentary Private Secretary in the Ministry of ZZZ is one of the ways they keep mavericks from multiplying.

395310 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Waldorf, #429 of 1834 🔗

minister for paperclips

394793 ▶▶ alw, replying to DanClarke, 2, #430 of 1834 🔗

Have been saying this for a long time now. Millions are traumatised, hysterical and suffering from PTSD. Reminds me of Pol Pot and the aftermath felt 3 generations later.

394595 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 26, #431 of 1834 🔗

Mother in law, a hypochondriac granted, got her vaccination yesterday. In A and E this morning, struggling to breathe.

It’s hard to know what the situation is as she is literally dragging herself to hospital at least once a fortnight.

394598 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #432 of 1834 🔗

Which vaccine did she get?

394616 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #433 of 1834 🔗

Does it matter? Shite is shite.

394628 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #434 of 1834 🔗

Good question, I did ask her when I saw her yesterday as she visited my home and her grandkids…yes ironic.

But she didn’t know, again the madness and face palming continues.

She’s also on an antibiotic for an infection and while the nurse said she should maybe wait, she insisted on the vaccine going ahead.

I have to assume it was the AZ vaccine as the GP delivered it.

394632 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #435 of 1834 🔗

This time I doubt she’s faking it as she would have been desperate to virtue signal about how little bother it was and how great she feels. Her only saving grace now will be telling people that it must be better than getting COVID.

394731 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #436 of 1834 🔗

Update. She’s been sent home and it’s all in her head, again. We’ll, they said to go to bed and take paracetamol. She’s mad. Convinced she’s had Covid multiple times I bet. Loves sickness.

I’d say she is the sole reason the NHS is so busy every winter. She lives in A and E.

394769 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #437 of 1834 🔗

That is unfortunate. I wonder if she would be so keen to bother the A&E if she had to pay for every appointment.

394834 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #438 of 1834 🔗

Haha it sounds like she needs a therapist as oppossed to a physicist.

394611 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 12, #439 of 1834 🔗

Saw this video of a blind, autistic little girl finding enjoyment in playing guitar with a busker https://youtu.be/Iw86MN39h60

In the same idea as those NHS posters: Tell this little girl why she can’t play guitar.

394870 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #440 of 1834 🔗

Lovely. 🙂

394615 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 11, #441 of 1834 🔗

Again: I have never taken a flue vaccine and will not take a Scam-19 vaccine!

394764 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to norwegian, 1, #442 of 1834 🔗

Ditto. In fact I’m wondering if Tom Moore had the flu vaccine or the much coveted covid vaccine. I’m also wondering if he was coerced into signing a DNR as so many of our elderly folk have done. There are so many unanswered questions. 🙄

394619 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 11, #443 of 1834 🔗

Weird how somethin out of Russia sounds so much more trustworthy that what the UK government is peddling. Even so, still wouldn’t use either.

394650 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 13, #444 of 1834 🔗

At least Putin had the guts to make a speech criticising the Great Reset,. You know, the one that doesn’t exist.

394666 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #445 of 1834 🔗

Putin’s speeches always bear listening to. His 2007 one in Munich is worth looking up, warning against interventionism, globalism and multiculturalism.

394701 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #446 of 1834 🔗

Nobody in the West has paid the slightest bit of notice to the Munich speech which is why we should all be pessimistic about human prospects, Especially with the neocons back in charge in DC.

394627 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #447 of 1834 🔗
394652 ▶▶ mj, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #448 of 1834 🔗

plenty of comments about this on here too.
Although it appeared yesterday, has anyone questioned when this was supposed to have been filmed . Hasnt it been a bit chilly the last few days in London. I am not sure if i would go out for a sandwich in just shirt sleeves. How do we know this wasnt done ages ago, and if so, why released now? Was it just to generate the good comments from the sheep (and 77th) at a time when Whitty’s reputation is going down the pan?

394658 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #449 of 1834 🔗

The comments have been moderated, which means that any negative to the story have been massively suppressed. I no longer bother to comment on such moderated stories, there is no point.

394675 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #450 of 1834 🔗

Why should the youth give a dingos kidneys about a granny killing virus?

394713 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #451 of 1834 🔗

Because he’s probably lost his job in a pub or coffee shop

395151 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JHUNTZ, #452 of 1834 🔗

I probably shouldn’t…but oh go on then…

394631 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 27, #453 of 1834 🔗

The MSM appears to have missed this. How unusual.

Poland: Rebellion against coronavirus lockdowns

Increasingly, restaurants, guesthouses and ski resorts in Poland are reopening — despite exisiting coronavirus restrictions. Courts say many lockdown rules are illegal.

https://p.dw.com/p/3oh8g

394637 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #454 of 1834 🔗

And the Italian protests.They rebranded the Dutch riots against the imposition of a curfew as pro vaccine riots.
The next step is to go after the internet as it’s the only place the truth is being aired

394641 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #455 of 1834 🔗

“The next step is to go after the internet as it’s the only place the truth is being aired”

Parts of the internet, mate, parts …

394653 ▶▶ isobar, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #456 of 1834 🔗

Good for the Poles and specially good that the Courts seem to be standing up for the rights of their citizens. Why the hell won’t our Courts?

394748 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to isobar, 4, #457 of 1834 🔗

The Land of Hope and Glory has become a swamp creature, just like the USA.

394858 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #458 of 1834 🔗

I’d suggest we were the swamp owners before the US of A really got started, Bella. 🙂

394663 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #459 of 1834 🔗

Give it a few weeks and the international media will be reporting on a supposed massive spike in Poland.

394744 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #460 of 1834 🔗

Actually, Hungary, Poland and Russia are looking more attractive places to move to. How amazing is that? The gods must be having a laugh!

394862 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #461 of 1834 🔗

and Belarus !

395147 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JohnB, 1, #462 of 1834 🔗

Belarus is a wonderful country, I would go there in a heartbeat, but I am afraid of regime change being implemented by the gangsters now running the whitehouse. of course that could be coming to anywhere not on board with the covid death cult

395076 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #463 of 1834 🔗

I’m very pro-Poles. They’re more like the Brits USED to be.

395141 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, #464 of 1834 🔗

yes, and why are the rubber dinghies still arriving HERE, for fucks sake? it would make more sense to pull up on the shores of North Korea.

394797 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #465 of 1834 🔗

Please send this to the editorial team. As someone mentioned further up they seem to be running out of steam.

395130 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #466 of 1834 🔗

yes, and I have friends in Poland who tell me that the government is beginning to loosen up under the pressure, it’s back-tracking, and refraining from enforcing the rules. As one hotelier put it, ‘if we don’t open up now, we’re going under anyway, so there’s nothing to lose’ – I always maintained that mass civil disobedience was the only way out, good on the Poles, a nation that was forged resisting tyranny

394642 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #467 of 1834 🔗

Sir Tom appears to have contracted Covid in hospital

actually, no :

“admitted for non-Covid pneumonia

This blithe sloppiness drives me bonkers. ‘Covid’ is not pneumonia in an individual with a particular bit of acquired RNA.

394740 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 5, #468 of 1834 🔗

My sister in law died of pneumonia last year but people refuse to accept it wasn’t due to Covid. She suffered with COPD and was a serial smoker. She died because they took her off the ventilator as there was a shortage and hard decisions had to be made, as we were told by some government official.

394646 mj, replying to mj, 20, #469 of 1834 🔗

very disappointed, like many on here , about the first article ATL about Moore. To just copy and paste a MSM article in such a way without raising any questions seems to be doing the MSM job for them. There are enough holes in the narrative to pick at. Fortunately the other posters on here have done this superbly. However I would prefer the ATL comments to also be as forensic in their examination

394648 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to mj, 4, #470 of 1834 🔗

I agree.

394679 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mj, 12, #471 of 1834 🔗

I would prefer it hadn’t been mentioned at all. Very old person died. Nothing to do with lockdown arguments. Inevitable that covid would have been weaved into the story – absolutely nothing to be gained from debating the details. Elderly, frail people die. Failure to accept that is part of what helped the hysteria to get a foothold in this country.

394647 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 18, #472 of 1834 🔗

So, how is asking questions about Sputnik V any different from asking questions about the other vaccines? The Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca ones haven’t had any more time or any more reliable trials than the Sputnik V. The only difference between the two sides is chauvinism and Russophobia. it is a real shame that the editorial team can’t see this basic point.

394668 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #473 of 1834 🔗

Yes, but the people asking questions are being paid by European and US big pharma, not by Russian big pharma.

394680 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #474 of 1834 🔗

There’s a similar line from Alistair Maclean’s novel (and film) “Ice Station Zebra” which I recall but won’t repeat just in case I get accused of propagating anti-semitic tropes.

394694 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Londo Mollari, -7, #475 of 1834 🔗

The only difference between the two sides is chauvinism and Russophobia.

You reckon?

Tell me about the Russian pharmaceutical industry’s achievements over the last 50 years that have rivalled the track record of GSK, Astra Zeneca, Pfizer et al…

Perhaps we just haven’t heard about them, or perhaps they’ve just been focused on turnip-related diseases?

394720 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, 7, #476 of 1834 🔗

Fair point, I don’t think the Russian pharma companies have anything like the track record of those lot:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

394726 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #477 of 1834 🔗

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullahi_v._Pfizer,_Inc .

Indeed, excellent non turnip related track record.

394746 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, -3, #478 of 1834 🔗

Oh I’m under no illusion about the colossal fuck-ups that western pharma has had. I just found his statement about Russophobia slightly odd.

It’s plausible to suggest that the reason there isn’t a similar catalogue of failures and scandals with Russian pharma is because so long as they keep Putin in caviar, they’re completely untouchable and no evidence of failure exists in the public domain.

394654 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 41, #479 of 1834 🔗

Got a problem with my electric oven. Phoned an electrician I know yesterday morning. Came back to me many hours later, apologising because him and the lads who work for him are rushed off their feet. Said I’d need an oven repair specialist and recommended a bloke. He said he was busy but could fit me in this afternoon as he has a job nearby.

There are are probably about ten tradesmen of various types living in my road of 200 houses. Their vans are out by 8am, every day. Two doors down there’s a skip out front with three blokes loading stuff into it. Andy at number 35 has a team of glazers in. The scrap metal vans are up and down all day. Yesterday at the park at 3pm there were 300 cars in the car park. The supermarkets are full.

Lockdown? This is the greatest farce in history.

394671 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #480 of 1834 🔗

Lets just rebrand everything an essential service and be done with it

Every Gym should install supermarket shelves full of essential items inbetween the equipment so you can peruse while you work out

394704 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 25, #481 of 1834 🔗

Every service is essential for a full, rich and varied life.

Every job is essential for putting food on the table.

This talk of ‘essential’ workers and ‘essential’ services has been one of the main things that has driven me mad during this farce.

394711 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Poppy, 8, #482 of 1834 🔗

Yep. Otherwise we’re just biologically existing and nothing more. That sounds like Hell to me.

394745 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #483 of 1834 🔗

I was hoping my hairdressers would brand itself a ‘bad hair support group’ but it seems the management have no sense of humour.

394779 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #484 of 1834 🔗

Hospitality can brand themselves as Alcoholics Anonymous support groups serving food.

Maybe I can suggest my workplace can rebrand itself as an Al Anon support group so we can reopen.

394661 TheHandbag, 21, #485 of 1834 🔗

Couple of things…

1.) Has anyone noticed that Jeff Bezos just did something. Has this got something to do with the WHO investigation into the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s involvement in all this?

2.) Has anyone got any idea if the late great Capt Sir Tom got the first vaccine dose? (Because for all the griping about today’s headlines, with which I fully concur, there was an open invitation to dig about on t’internet and see if you can get the skinny).

3.) Where in the fuck is the MHRA’s Adverse Event reporting data? This vaccine and non-vaccine is something not being adequately consented in the NHS, and those of us endeavouring to properly inform our olds ahead of time can only point to US data which is, frankly, alarming. But how to you explain the trends etc to your terrorised oldies who are not ready to see the entire corruption of the system?

4.) Does there exist a group of people doing FOIA requests for such things as MHRA data? If not, should we start one?

Regarding the paucity of today’s headlines, it’s always worth, at moments like this, looking to yourselves. Are you all, unknowingly, sitting on analysis or testimony that would be better emailed over and directly shared? I mean if someone can get a poem published, surely some good old fashioned heretical speculation will find a place?

Also late last night I noticed some folks having a spat with a resident troll and inviting him to bring down the wrath of the “Police”. A police that seem to be having a merry time pretending they’ve got powers over discourse and freedoms that they actually don’t have. Would it not be better for everyone to now just ignore this troll now? Not cancel culture per se, just “there’s no arguing with a troll” culture.

394662 danny, replying to danny, 26, #486 of 1834 🔗

Breaking news….
In response to the tragic news that 100 year old with pneumonia national hero Captain Tom has been killed by Covid, Home Secretary Matt Hancock has now banned death. In a statement to press he commented “a loss such as this shows us that we have still not completed our mission of stopping death in the UK. I for one will not rest until every single death has been prevented and we can all live forever as God intended in this great nation.”
According to the report, steps have now been taken to lock everyone in their houses from birth, and to offer vaccines to all on a rolling half hourly basis. “The goal” Hancock claimed today “is to ensure that we all can celebrate the next millennium and this morning the prime minister has begun preparations for the nation to join together in a bank holiday celebration to celebrate the 200th year reign of her majesty the queen, set for 2150”.

394699 ▶▶ iane, replying to danny, 3, #487 of 1834 🔗

Surely you mean “every single with-covid death”!?

394673 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 22, #488 of 1834 🔗

Who f***ng cares about an old codger who shuffled around his boomer garden on behalf of a shi**ty socialist healthcare system?
FFS am I reading the friggin’ Daily Mail or Sun.
True Lockdown Sceptics : we need a new home. . . this ship is sinking

394685 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Natalie Shay, 9, #489 of 1834 🔗

Not sure it’s fair to say it is sinking or imply that the site owners and writers are not true sceptics, but yes the tone and content of the articles above the line has taken a dip recently

It’s easy to criticise of course

I don’t know how many newbies or waverers visit, but I’d like to see more regular pieces retstating the case against lockdown

394697 ▶▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Julian, 7, #490 of 1834 🔗

I’ve spent time on this site since last April and something has changed. . . history tells up groups and opposition are often co-opted so why should this site be any different?

394751 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Natalie Shay, 9, #491 of 1834 🔗

I doubt anyone has been co-opted

Probably fatigue, maybe some sensitivity to all the attacks

394978 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Natalie Shay, 1, #492 of 1834 🔗

he did receive a particularly nasty death threat, didn’t he..perhaps it shook him up

394712 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 15, #493 of 1834 🔗

Earlier on in all this we had a constant supply of novel, exciting and helpful analysis from Heneghan and his ilk that provided the material atl. Many of these sources have dried up to a trickle now – not because they got it all wrong, but because they have made their points again and again without achieving traction where it counts and there is less that is new to say. I think this makes the job of the editorial team much tougher.

394717 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #494 of 1834 🔗

I think exhaustion has set in. It has with me to be fair.

394690 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Natalie Shay, 4, #495 of 1834 🔗

Gab groups

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

394691 ▶▶ iane, replying to Natalie Shay, 3, #496 of 1834 🔗

Yes, I am rather with you on that. Doubtless he was well-meaning, but he should probably be given the gold medal for Useful Idiots of 2020!

394705 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Natalie Shay, 7, #497 of 1834 🔗

For his family and friends, it’s a tragedy, but for everyone else, I agree.

Even his little fundraiser was a nice gesture for the people at his local hospital who had cared for him. He’d have had no idea he was about to become the centre of a national merrygoround of morons.

The government, the media and the great British public made a fool of him IMO.

394831 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Natalie Shay, 3, #498 of 1834 🔗

This overwhelming obsession with Captain Tom is a gift to 77th Brigade. It’s as much of a negative as the tendency to go easy on the official narrative.

394847 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Natalie Shay, -2, #499 of 1834 🔗

… his boomer garden …

Are you feeling a bit stressed, Nat ?

394924 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Natalie Shay, 1, #500 of 1834 🔗

So set up a Mastodon server and plug that here!

Less ‘we need’ and more ‘I will’ would go a long way around here.

394972 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 1, #501 of 1834 🔗

I agree: this is Toby Young’s website, he’s entitled to run it as he pleases, if you don’t like it, then go elsewhere, and if there is no ‘elsewhere’ then set it up – I would be up for that, I admire what TY has achieved, but he’s way too ‘softcore’ for me

394692 Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 18, #502 of 1834 🔗

Tanzania government not wanting the vaccine, good for them.

Tanzania minister: No interest in procuring coronavirus vaccines – TODAY

394698 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #503 of 1834 🔗

Insufficient backhanders on offer? (Oh what a cynic I have become!).

394706 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to iane, 26, #504 of 1834 🔗

The problem with being a cynic is the frequent and appalling realisation that you aren’t being nearly cynical enough.

394755 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #505 of 1834 🔗

No matter how cynical I get, I just can’t keep up with the bastards!

395140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jinks, 1, #506 of 1834 🔗

Covid seems to be a bit of a first world problem – I think that is part of the reason for Tanzania’s attitude.

394926 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #507 of 1834 🔗

Ms M told me this morning that Bezos is stepping down as chief exec.of Amazon- another CIA front-company, of course- to spend more time on his Green interests and his charity for the homeless- oh, the bitter irony…..she thinks this is very good of him because he “doesn’t have to do these things”….no, her first name isn’t Pollyanna. You can deduce her attitude to the BBC from this, I imagine. Sometimes it’s hard being a cynic, innit?

395203 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #508 of 1834 🔗

Indeed, you just have to have a positive attitude about these things dontchaknow, and everything will turn out just fine.

394703 C S, 4, #509 of 1834 🔗

Someone posted a comment in the last week talking about how ordinarily, when talking about whether lockdowns work or not, someone correctly pointed out that those pushing for lockdown should instead show that their null hypothesis (lockdowns do not work) is false. Does anyone remember this comment, or perhaps it was in an above the line article? Would be much appreciated! Thanks

394783 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #511 of 1834 🔗

Great resolution if indeed it has weight… and that Telegraph writer deserves to be sacked for advertising the most vile form of coercion.

394723 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #512 of 1834 🔗

Was contacted yesterday by a friend from the Philippines and although it was an Instagram chat it was really good and it was nice to talk to someone from my part of the world freely and who I suspect is a fellow sceptic.

They’re back at work and almost everything is more or less open which I’m not surprised given that UNDP report that stated that over 50% of those classed as poor have slid back to extreme poverty no thanks to lockdown.

We also spoke about mental health and my friend mentioned that anxiety has increased during lockdown owing to the lack of routine and purpose. I also suspect that a lot of the anxiety has been driven down by living with family who might not be understanding or sympathetic. Imagine having to put up with that sort of people for almost a year.

Part of my suspicion of my friend being a sceptic is how she’s concerned about children. She has one son who is in upper primary and has been doing his schooling online. Before this all hit, she was rather strict with his screen & TV time and constantly encouraged him to be active and do sports. Now its been hard to maintain that discipline as she admitted and she’s also dreading the summer holidays if activities like basketball clinics are still cancelled.

We ended the conversation by agreeing that there will be hell to pay for kids because of the lack of schooling, activities and interaction which will be detremental to their physical,social and psychological development.

Very sobering and a realisation that this is a global problem.

394737 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #513 of 1834 🔗

Myself and my other Mum friends have been beating ourselves up about the amount of screen time we worry our children are getting. Thankfully my 2 aren’t of school age and their creche is open so they go there 3 days a week which is brilliant for them. But even these past few days with constant rain, it was difficult to get them out of the house, they had played with almost every toy they had and we’d gone through loads of activities, but the T.V/Cartoons were on a lot and I feel like crap about it.
Pre Covid on rainy days we would have took kids to museums, swimming, soft play, community centre groups, e.t.c. I was about to sign my son up for Rugby tots and dear knows when that will happen again. Now there is next to nothing for them.
My 16 year old niece and 14 year old nephew sit in their rooms day in, day out in front of screens, my sister dragging them out every chance she can for a walk in the woods or wherever, but they arent even interested anymore.
Child obeseity is likely to be on the rise as well.

394780 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #514 of 1834 🔗

It’s the onset of childhood insulin resistance that worries me even more.

394796 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #515 of 1834 🔗

That’s the sad thing. We constantly talk about elderly people losing the will to live during this shit show but we’re seeing this with children and young people too – your niece & nephew seem to be heading towards that attitude.

My nieces are the same as well – 5 and 3 years old, constantly in front of screens and when they go out they have to be muzzled up and wearing visors. God almighty!

And of course its not helped by news reports of increase in child suicides and self harming.

394801 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #516 of 1834 🔗

My 16 year old niece has been feeling suicidal and referred through her GP to mental health team. My sister is sick with worry.

394811 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #517 of 1834 🔗

Very sad and sorry to hear this. I simply have no words.

394822 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #518 of 1834 🔗

The sad irony is that she can’t be seen face to face……because of Covid. It’s complete child abuse on a different level.

394829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #519 of 1834 🔗

It is. The stopping of all life and the banning of face to face encounters has been catastrophic.

394800 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #520 of 1834 🔗

I totally agree , one of mine is not nursery age yet so doesn’t go but the other one does so she has some interaction with other children.

We have lost out on going to playgroups and other things which were her time. She sadly watched more tv than I would like as well.

My partners sisters 2 are older and both at high school , one of them was obsessed with playing football but she now spends all her time in her room it’s so sad.

394807 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to CapLlam, 7, #521 of 1834 🔗

And as a Home Educator of several years standing, I’m desperate to get my child back out, but the numpties in my social groups are all too afraid to step out. Of all the groups, I’ve been most shocked by the HE Community.

It really has put pay to the idea that they HE for their children’s benefit. Because if they did, they’d actually get out and live and enjoy socialising with other parents and children like we used to. Instead they’re cowering indoors, in the middle of town, where (Newsflash!!!), an aerosolised virus can enter through the door you open to Amazon and Ocado. Such a wake up call to me that I’m wondering whether we should move to Sweden.

394925 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #522 of 1834 🔗

go if you can, get your children out of here. it’s not going to get better, I think the UK is in the front line of this coup

394914 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #523 of 1834 🔗

yep. l live with a 13-year-old nephew, and in less than 1 year he has turned from a football-playing sociable boy with tons of hobbies and interests to a creature who sleeps all day, never gets out of his dressing gown, neglects personal hygiene, and sits at his computer all night eating popcorn and other junk food. I think this is how the majority of children live now, and for many of them, it’s not even this great. this is an act of national child abuse and neglect, and it is beyond scandalous

394725 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #524 of 1834 🔗

Anna Brees Tweeted this article from Byline Times. Try not to think of Al-Quaeda and a global network of terrorism when you read it. When is a conspracy theory not a conspiracy theory?:

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/02/cambridge-analytica-psychologist-advising-global-covid-19-disinformation-network-linked-to-nigel-farage-and-conservative-party/

Nafeez Ahmed reveals how COVID pseudoscience and anti-lockdown groups have morphed into a sophisticated, well-funded global network

394747 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #525 of 1834 🔗

“Always accuse your enemy of that which you yourself are guilty.”

394773 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #526 of 1834 🔗

I had no idea Byline Times were so subversive! It was like a Who’s who of everyone interesting, intelligent and clever. I mean South Africans. I don’t think you can find a type of person better equipped to move round corruption. I know Spitting Image tried to lull everyone into indifference to the nation’s people, but honestly, you’d be hard pushed to find a (especially) South African who can’t call the British at their own game. They wrote this playbook in the Boer War. Honestly, compared to savvy South Africans ordinary British people are sitting ducks.

This information heavy, emotionally incontinent article just tickles me to bits.

“Fagan’s claims were false on all three counts, but based precisely on using manipulative language to conflate emergency measures in response to a global pandemic with a fascist conspiracy. In reality, we are not prevented from leaving our homes – only requested to avoid doing so if unnecessary.”.

394832 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #527 of 1834 🔗

“Patrick Fagan is listed on the COVID-19 Assembly website as an “advisor” to the project.”

Where? I can’t see it on their site. And Fagan did work for Cambridge Analytica, but has also written for the BBC, Evening Standard, Spectator. Should we give these the same treatment by association?

In this piece on Toby Young and lockdownsceptics.org he proclaims, without any sort of proof, that non-medical interventions work:

‘actively encouraging people to avoid credible public health measures: masks, testing, social distancing.’

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/04/alt-right-pseudoscience-part-1-lockdown-sceptics/

Byline Times? The director of Byline Holdings COLEGRAVE, Stephen Robert Arthur, was previously Director of the British-American Project, a sophisticated, well-funded global network described as:

The Project was the brainchild of Nick Butler, an economist at BP, who at that time was also a prospective Labour Party parliamentary candidate and a research fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House).

Along with many others in both countries who viewed the special relationship favorably, he had become concerned about a growing tide of anti-American sentiment among his generation in the UK. Butler’s response was to propose a series of conferences, similar in format to the annual get-together of Anglo-German leaders at Konigswinter, developing relationships between the participants and broadening understanding.

This rapidly gained backing from Chatham House and the US Embassy in London. It was Sir Charles Villiers, the former chairman of British Steel, who secured funding by inviting in two American anglophile friends, Lew van Dusen and Isadore Scott, who were able to secure funding and fulfill the dream of creating, in a younger generation, a multiplicity of transatlantic friendships like their own.

A US BAP organiser describes the BAP network as committed to “grooming leaders” while promoting “the leading global role that [the US and Britain] continue to play”.

Alumni include Miliband, Mandleson, Khan…..

I wonder why Colgrave’s lefty publication is trying to smear conservatives and the ‘far right’, as they seem to see us?

394912 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #528 of 1834 🔗

A CIA front-company, so.

394962 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #529 of 1834 🔗

Nice to know we are part if a sophisticated, well-funded global network. Can I have a bit of the funding, please?

394971 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #530 of 1834 🔗

Then we have someone like John P ranting about going to the police because somebody upset him on this site… It seems trivial but that is how repression can snowball.

395055 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Annie, 1, #531 of 1834 🔗

If you’re not part of the money you’re a lone wolf but still part of the network on the basis of having similar thoughts and opinions. That’s apparently how it all works.

395621 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #532 of 1834 🔗

Nafeez Ahmed seems to a busy little bee and presents too many associations for an individual to check out. Philip Cross comes to mind.

394727 Jo, replying to Jo, 5, #533 of 1834 🔗

Coronavirus: The Experimental Years.

Yesterday I was thinking of writing something on this topic (although I’m not good at writing these days so if anyone else is interested??) So it was a surprise to see Rob Slane’s article on just this topic in the round-up.
Having read it, I still think it would be a good topic to explore more deeply.
I was thinking that its contents should be non-partisan, just detailing the experiments that are taking place at the moment – lockdown, social distancing, curtailing employment, curtailing human contact, and a whole section about children, focusing on the educational and social deprivation. Finishing as RS did, with the “vaccine”.

One point I was considering – if you introduced any ONE of these measures, you could probably do a study and look at its effects. However, when you look at them in their totality, it is probably much more difficult (to be specific about which experiment is the most harmful) but also there is the likelihood that “something” in its entirety will be greater than the sum of its parts.

Any thoughts?

394838 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo, 1, #534 of 1834 🔗

Masks. Gloves. Sanitiser.

395263 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo, 2, #535 of 1834 🔗

In my scientific training I was told that you should only change one thing at a time, to assess the effects properly. It could be argued that an “emergency” justifies introducing multiple measures which are believed to have a desired effect, but it means that what is currently taking place is a badly designed experiment from which it will not be possible to draw useful conclusions on the effectiveness or otherwise of the various measures. However the undesirable effects are all highly visible at present.

394732 Jez Hewitt, replying to Jez Hewitt, 8, #536 of 1834 🔗

Chris Whitty being called out (if it hasn’t already been posted)

https://twitter.com/Matt_VickersMP/status/1356623933781368832?s=20

394765 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jez Hewitt, 5, #537 of 1834 🔗

Should have hit the traitor cunt in the head with a cricket bat

394785 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #538 of 1834 🔗

Remember how they took down Parler for allegedly permitting violence? Yeah, i’d can the hyperbole if i were you.

394865 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #539 of 1834 🔗

Did you ever go on Parler? It was a total cesspit. The difference is night and day between what went on there and the hyperbolic expressions of frustration we see here.

394826 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jaguarpig, -2, #540 of 1834 🔗

You gotta approve the sentiment. 🙂

But such indulgences/luxuries should be assessed within the overall resistance strategy.

394836 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Jaguarpig, #541 of 1834 🔗

I like the idea of using a cricket bat!

394840 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to TheClone, 3, #542 of 1834 🔗

Not a Wuhan Bat?

394850 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to TheClone, -1, #543 of 1834 🔗

Ian Faith spinal tap

395558 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jaguarpig, #544 of 1834 🔗

Clicky Ba ! For those who remember 1950’s boys’ comics …

395629 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jez Hewitt, #545 of 1834 🔗

Could be a montage.

394733 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #546 of 1834 🔗

Has this been discussed on LS? In Wales delivering election leaflets for the May 6th Senedd election is not a reasonable excuse to leave home and the police will enforce the regs. H’T Mr Neil McEvoy, a sitting MS and just about the only lockdown sceptic in the Senedd. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55895712

394753 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #547 of 1834 🔗

Electioneering in the run up to an election is illegal – and these are the people who call Russia a dictatorship, where there is no democracy.

394772 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #548 of 1834 🔗

Looks like a case for the FSU. McEvoy was throw out of Plaid Cymru but has set up a new party – Propel – which looks like it is going to be running on an explicitly anti-lockdown policy. I’ve been following him on Fakebook since last autumn. Good campaigner and he has come around gradually to his anti-lockdown stance. The only other ones in the Senedd to question the lockdown are a few remnants of the old Kippers like Neil Hamilton. Otherwise, nearly all sixty members are true believers in the official bs.

394741 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 28, #549 of 1834 🔗

This morning on Good Morning Britain Piers Morgan expressed his outrage at the attack on Chris Whitty. The incident was shown on video. The attack consisted of a young man in the street calling Whitty a liar, repeatedly.

Piers Morgan also expressed his outrage at the trolling that Captain Moore in his dying days. Piers Morgan did not present any evidence to support this assertion. Yet, it sounds highly improbable. How likely is it that a hundred year old man who is so ill with pneumonia that he has had to be admitted to hospital decides to spend time immediately prior to dying communicating on the Internet with strangers who make deliberately inflammatory remarks and he continues to engage with them?

Of course just making stuff up and using it to moralise, to condemn others, to project his superiority is Piers Morgan’s habitual behaviour. It is probably so ingrained that he isn’t even aware of it.

If someone makes facts up and believes them to be true, is their assertion of such falsehoods lying?

394756 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #550 of 1834 🔗

That creature is Squealer from Animal Farm. To be honest he looks more like a pig now than Squealer did by the end of the book.

394795 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 27, #551 of 1834 🔗

However much of a plank Jeremy Clarkson becomes, never forget that he’s punched Piers Morgan in the face at least once more than you’ve managed to.

394819 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, 5, #552 of 1834 🔗

Yep, earns him forgiveness for many other sins. 🙂

394843 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to AidanR, 3, #553 of 1834 🔗

This is true, to my great regret.

395686 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AidanR, 2, #554 of 1834 🔗

Clap for Clarkson

394805 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #555 of 1834 🔗

So Piss Morgan, now show us evidence of the chuckle brothers telling the truth. You know do some investigation like a journalist. Isn’t that supposed to be your job?

394841 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #556 of 1834 🔗

Morgan is not a journalist – he is a TV presenter

394905 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 5, #557 of 1834 🔗

He’s also a moral vacuum- he obviously thinks we’ve forgotten what he got up to when he was at the Daily Mirror.

394938 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #558 of 1834 🔗

Piers Morgan claimed on Good Morning Britain that he knew the vaccine (Pfizer) was safe and effective because he had researched it.

394810 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #559 of 1834 🔗

1) yes: it’s called lying to themselves, and it is the ultimate fate of all habitual liars: in the end, they lose the ability to distinguish falsity from reality. 2) so now it is not permitted to express anger towards someone who is intent on destroying your life and the lives of all who you love. you are permitted only to show obeisance and grovel. I see.

395145 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Hayes, #560 of 1834 🔗

Piers Morgan is currently indistinguishable from Rasputin. Power has obviously gone to his head. He’ll claim next that his prowess will single handedly save the NHS!

395158 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #561 of 1834 🔗

BTW I am glad he showed the footage of that young man calling Witless a liar. That lad will accrue massive peer approval. Good for him for upsetting the MSM and saying what they should!!

395638 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, #562 of 1834 🔗

I have suggested that the video could be a montage.

394749 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #563 of 1834 🔗

This is funny. We have an Arsebook page for our shop and we’ve just noticed a new follower: the bloke who oversees the park stuff for the town. Jeez, they really do need to try harder 😉

394775 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to kh1485, 2, #564 of 1834 🔗

Did you give him a nice welcome message? 😉

394900 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 5, #565 of 1834 🔗

Found it! Love your comments to the ingrates who’ve slagged you off- a refreshing change from the mealy-mouthed middle-management drivel you usually see on TripAdvisor.
Do you remember the BBC play- based on a true story, starring Robert Hardy- about a hotelier in Cumbria who told his customers exactly what he thought of them? If they’re ever remaking it….just saying….get yrself an agent…..

394757 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #566 of 1834 🔗

Assessing potential association between lockdowns and covid deaths (my analysis)

In the article ’The States with No Lockdown Suffer only 8% More Covid Deaths on average’ it says it is true that the lockdown states on average have fewer deaths than the no-lockdown states. But the difference is only 8%, not many times less. It is by no means clear that this small difference can be attributed to lockdowns, given how widely spread out all the figures are.

I’ll now consider this in more detail.

Drawing conclusions from small associations in complex areas which are multi-factorial and where many complex interactions and feedback loops between those factors are going on, is just bad science, unless there is evidence to back it up.

So let’s assess using the widely used Bradford Hill criteria. These are a group of nine principles that can be useful in assessing associational evidence of a possible causal relationship between a presumed cause and an observed effect and have been widely used in public health research. I’ll just use the first 6 for now as these are the most relevant.

The hypothesis to test is that lockdowns reduce covid deaths


Strength : A small association does not mean that there is not a causal effect, though the larger the association, the more likely that it is causal.

The association here is very weak and other such comparisons such as the Pandata world comparison of lockdown efficacy vs covid positive deaths shows the opposite association (i.e. harsher lockdown associates with slightly more covid deaths). There are about 30 scientific papers looking at these sort of associations, and all such compares show very weak positive or negative associations. Note the association between smoking and lung cancer was something like a 700% association vs roughly 0% if you consider multiple comparisons here, 700% vs 7% if you just compare with US states (100x the association)


Consistency : Consistent findings observed by different persons in different places with different samples strengthens the likelihood of an effect

There has been a staggering lack of consistency both across countries and within countries. For example Sweden with next to no lockdown throughout, has lower covid deaths per million (and the same first wave curve shape) as the UK which has experienced higher covid mortality. North Dakota vs South Dakota is another example of no consistency.


Specificity Causation is likely if there is a very specific population at a specific site and disease with no other likely explanation. The more specific an association between a factor and an effect is, the bigger the probability of a causal relationship)

There is no specificity here as lockdowns and covid+ tests are happening all over the world


(part 1 of 2)

394759 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #567 of 1834 🔗

(part 2 of 2)

Temporality (the effect has to occur after the cause and if there is an expected delay between the cause and expected effect, then the effect must occur after that delay)

Allowing for the time between infection and death shows that covid deaths were reducing before lockdown could have had any affect in multiple countries and regions. For example the Simon Wood paper of June 2020 showed that covid+ deaths were reducing in England and Wales before the first lockdown could have any affect. The zoe data (tweeted by Tim Spector) showed that symptomatic covid positives were already reducing before the second lockdown started.


Biological Gradient (Greater exposure should generally lead to greater incidence of the effect. However, in some cases, the mere presence of the factor can trigger the effect. In other cases, an inverse proportion is observed: greater exposure leads to lower incidence)

There is no observable biological gradient at all. For example take Peru with the hardest military style lockdown anywhere and one of the worst deaths per million. The failure of the tier system in England is another example. The scatter plot by country of lockdown efficacy vs covid deaths identifies no such gradient.


Plausability : A plausible mechanism between cause and effect is helpful (but Hill noted that knowledge of the mechanism is limited by current knowledge).

The plausible reason for thinking lockdowns might work is to assume that the virus spreads by human interactions and so lockdowns reduce human interactions and so reduce spread. However there is plenty of evidence that asymptomatic transmission is at the most only a very small part of the spread of the virus. Because lockdowns (as opposed to just advising the sick to stay at home) reduce only the interactions of healthy people it is implausible they will stop spread, but they push the spread into areas where people are sick and can’t easily be completely separated such as hospitals and care homes.

So my conclusion is that there is overall no associational reason to support the hypothesis that lockdowns reduce covid deaths.

Lockdowns however do cause significant harms.

394821 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #568 of 1834 🔗

An excellent analysis

Even back in March a cursory analysis would have concluded that benefits were unlikely to outweigh harms, now the case is pretty watertight

394830 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #569 of 1834 🔗

Tell this to SAGE and they will say you need to save NHS!

394839 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheClone, 4, #570 of 1834 🔗

As someone asked the other day, what does “Save the NHS” actually mean? It sounds great, but what they are really saying is “Prevent the NHS from getting busier than is desirable during winter peaks” – and all of their policies have done NOTHING to do that and lots to push it the other way

394835 ▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #571 of 1834 🔗

Thank you so much for this excellent analysis. In essence the Government panicked after receiving a massively exaggerated death forecast from the Imperial College mathematical modelling team (just like all their previous forecasts) and has doubled down on their initial mistake ever since

394848 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #572 of 1834 🔗

And what about when /if we ever get out. Everyone’s immune systems, after having no practice for months will succumb to everything that’s going. All the babies and toddlers that have never seen anyone except their mother’s and father’s

394922 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #573 of 1834 🔗

And it’s worth saying you can make a very strong argument (as above) that lockdowns don’t prevent ANY covid deaths.

So you can’t even ASSERT that lockdowns do prevent a small number of deaths, you can only put it forward as a possibility, in the same way that it is possible they create more direct covid deaths (for example stopping herd immunity building up in the mainly young and healthy)

So to get to a scientific argument that lockdowns MATERIALLY save lives seems to be impossible. Which is why we have seen no sensible argument to that effect. The trick with Government scientists etal seems to be to create models that ASSUME that lockdowns work, and then go onto calculate how many lives they save. But that’s like assuming that the moon is made of cheese and then calculating the weight of that cheese. The problem isn’t in calculating the weight of cheese but in assuming the moon is made of cheese in the first place.

And even the government recognises that lockdowns cause significant harms. And so the argument that lockdowns cause more harms than benefits is pretty much watertight.

394941 ▶▶▶ Kevin Finnerty, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #574 of 1834 🔗

Excellent article here by Dr Malcom Kendrick, “Does Lockdown Work, or not?”, in which he discusses, among other things, how medical interventions once thought to be “common sense” turned out to be completely misguided.

Dr. Malcolm Kendrick | Scottish Doctor, author, speaker, sceptic

Sorry, having trouble pasting the link, but hope you can find it.

394996 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Kevin Finnerty, 1, #575 of 1834 🔗

Thanks. Link works. It’s a great article.

394881 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #576 of 1834 🔗

Epidemiologists long ago gave up on Bradford Hill rigour and prefer mere correlation as this is so much easier and quicker so papers can be published in the learned journals in bulk.

394954 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, #577 of 1834 🔗

Yes. I’ve seen so many studies where they rely on a small positive association to come to a conclusion that is pleasing to their funders. The effect is often small and explained immediately by something else like health user bias, or some other obvious confounding factor.

With lockdowns I suppose they can’t use this trick, because they need there to be a huge positive correlation between lockdowns and lower covid deaths, in order to claim that benefits to counterbalance the harms.

395066 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #578 of 1834 🔗

They really do not care. Their narrative is unfalsifiable. If the numbers go down, it proves the lockdowns etc are effective; if the numbers go up, it shows the need for more draconian measure/enforcement. The “science” is just a rhetorical device: it’s nothing but pseudoscience.

394758 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 13, #579 of 1834 🔗

“Matt Hancock says he overruled advice and ordered 100m doses of the Oxford vaccine rather than 30m because the film Contagion taught him there would be a global scramble for vaccine. He says every Brit needed to be jabbed “and I wasn’t going to settle for less””

https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1356876970181730307

394768 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 11, #580 of 1834 🔗

Jeez! Policy has been in the hands of a popcorn-gutsing 12-year old!

394790 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rockoman, 8, #581 of 1834 🔗

It is shocking how many people get their knowledge of the world from fiction.

394919 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Hayes, #582 of 1834 🔗

Like the mainstream media you mean?

395185 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jos, #583 of 1834 🔗

And the corporate media.

394802 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 6, #584 of 1834 🔗

you are a brave man for ploughing through the nauseating drivellings of Wancock, in order to highlight the abominations that need to highlighted. It would be too bad for my stress levels. thank you for this selfless public service

394806 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, 2, #585 of 1834 🔗

And a few million of the other vaccines just in case. And pre-orders for vaccines that haven’t even been approved…just in case.

All in the safe knowledge that we don’t know exactly how well they’ll all work.

394824 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to rockoman, 5, #586 of 1834 🔗

I suppose its lucky he hadn’t watched Age of Ultron or he would have shut all the computers off. Could gave been worse he might have watched world war Z!

394958 ▶▶ mj, replying to rockoman, 1, #587 of 1834 🔗

couldnt he have watched “A million ways to die in the west”
(a very funny film if you dont know it )

395053 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to rockoman, #588 of 1834 🔗

Following the science

395133 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to rockoman, 1, #589 of 1834 🔗

There’s a fuller write up of the Contagion story on the BBC app (if you can bear it). I spat my tea across the room at this quote from dear Matt: “”I was insisting we could keep the British public and all of the British public safe, as my primary responsibility as the UK health secretary is to the health of the nation,” he added.” Where do you even start with that? I’ve never seen someone LESS interested in the health of the nation.

394766 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 2, #590 of 1834 🔗

I think I’ve been naive (won’t be the first time). I assumed that my hairdresser was struggling but now I wonder. Does anyone know how much of our money goes to these businesses? As a self employed person myself I thought we were all pretty much left to fend for ourselves.
Can anyone in the know let me have the detail on what support she has been getting. She runs her own salon.

394781 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to WasSteph, #591 of 1834 🔗

In proportion to tax returns I think.

394784 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to WasSteph, 3, #592 of 1834 🔗

Not sure exactly but if she is self employed she can apply for a grant, I am unsure how much it is now. My friends husband is a self employed driving instructor and I believe he received a grant which would cover his average takings. Under the lockdown before Christmas he received a bit higher than he would normally get.

394787 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to WasSteph, #593 of 1834 🔗

There are a number of schemes. They are outlined in the government guidance: https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus/business-support?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae

394789 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to WasSteph, 4, #594 of 1834 🔗

Depends on how she operates, Steph. She’ll get nothing if her income is through company dividends. If she is a sole trader then she’ll get up to 80% of 2018/19 profits up to a certain amount. I am eligible for the self-employed support, but since I don’t earn that much anyway, 80% is not enough to relax about. However I feel very lucky and am outraged that company directors are left high and dry. I’m so sorry you are in that position.

394815 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #595 of 1834 🔗

So basically I’m paying her to not do my hair. Cosmic as Rodney would say. Still as we all know Mr Sunak can’t keep that going forever. He’s just had the tax receipts for the self employed for year ending April 2020. We handed over rather a lot. He’ll be seeing almost zero this time next year.
Anybody know how I can find places doing this kind of work undercover at the moment?. A close relative had an undercover haircut recently but that was a barber, I need a ladies’ hairdresser.

394837 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to WasSteph, 3, #596 of 1834 🔗

My wife does my hair but that’s easy as its a tuppenny all off with a razor. My wife has a lady who does hers in secret but its all done by Chinese whispers and secret handshakes. They obviously can’t advertise. It was one of those friend of a friend things.

395077 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #597 of 1834 🔗

I do my husband’s. Not a perfect job but it keeps him sane. He’s not touching mine! To be fair to him he’s not likely to think it’s in his skill set.

395109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to WasSteph, #598 of 1834 🔗

I have short hair so for the past year have been cutting it myself thanks to an online tutorial. Not bad at all.

394808 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to WasSteph, 4, #599 of 1834 🔗

Apologies in advance if you know all this, but it may be of interest to others.

If they were renting premises, they will probably have been given a council grant in the early stages of lockdown either £10,000 or £20,000 depending on rateable value of premises. Then a Govt grant of 80% of their earnings, based on their net profit on last tax return. Up to £2,500 per month. A person I know very well got these grants even though their business actually did better throughout lockdown than normal. I estimate he coined in about £30,000 extra in grants through the year. And I’m sure he is only one of many thousands in this position.

However many people, ie those who just started up a business in the months or weeks before last March, would have received nothing. Like a lot of whats happening, it seems to be pot luck how much help has been received. A hairdresser in my town has gone bust so obviously didn’t get a lot of help.

394825 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to WasSteph, 7, #600 of 1834 🔗

Many small businesses (if they qualify) get furlough money for their employee salaries (think it is 80%), However these businesses have a lot of other ongoing costs, even if not trading, such as property rental, equipment rental, telephone, water and electricity, bank fees, loan interest charges, card machine rental / fees, IT/professional fees, website fees, products that expire etc. The chance that these businesses survive after such a long period of being prohibited to trade is very small.

If you are a salaried employee sitting at home, it is possibly easier to survive on 80% of your salary

394876 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Victoria, 1, #601 of 1834 🔗

80% up to £2500 a month. Won’t last you long in London. Might allow survival in the ex-urban hinterland.

I asked the Barber the same question before Xmas. They are contractors and do get 80% of their income up to £2500. However with children, mortgages etc. she found it hard to survive. She also mentioned that ambulance drivers who are her clients are saying they are forced to put CV on the MCCD if a car accident death and a positive test within 28 days or post mortem analysis detects virus RNA.

394854 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to WasSteph, 4, #602 of 1834 🔗

My mum has a shop and they practically forced £10k on her in lockdown 1. She gave it to my sister, as she’s a fitness instructor (freelance) and with all the gyms closed she was earning nothing and eligible for no help (and has 2 children to support, while my mother is retired essentially, and runs her shop as a hobby).

So, it very much depends. And there is no sense to it.

395088 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to sophie123, 1, #603 of 1834 🔗

Mine must be doing ok. She has refused my request to pop round ( her home is close to mine) under the cover of darkness for a quick trim. She’d grab that relatively risk free option with both hands if she needed some cash.

395229 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to WasSteph, #604 of 1834 🔗

Not sure about Englands councils but our local council paid out £10000 first lockdown to a small garage. It was a lump sum and my husband was furious as he’s self employed and could only claim the first time and got the 80 % of nett income from the government. As he doesn’t have premises he didn’t get anything else.

I on the other hand I who earns less than £6000 a year lost all my jobs got nothing.

When people were encouraging retail and pubs to open back up, I spoke to someone who runs a shop and as it’s her only income she can’t afford to open up as she was afraid she would lose any help that is available and she has an employee to consider, who gets furlough pay.

Unfortunately not all self employed are equal. I do believe there will be a backlash next tax year as I know someone who claimed the self employed grant when he was working as normal which will be looked on as extra income and be taxed accordingly.

394770 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #605 of 1834 🔗

I am quite sure I recall reading/hearing around Christmas time that Sir Tom Moore had the vaccine.

394782 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #606 of 1834 🔗

Me too!

394828 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ganjan21, #607 of 1834 🔗

It was another old guy named Tom.

394791 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 24, #608 of 1834 🔗

Luke Johnson Tweeted this:

Luke Johnson
@LukeJohnsonRCP

I estimate it will have cost the taxpayer at least £60 billion by the time furlough ends in April. Was it really a great idea to forcibly idle millions for almost a year? Did it really save lives? How much healthcare could we have bought for £60 billion?

Think of all the other money that has been spent dealing with this. Even if the death toll was double or triple what they say can we honestly say that the money couldn’t have been better spent in ways that would almost certainly have improved life expectancy for everyone over the long term?

That’s not even factoring in all the other non monetary costs. It’s just too short sighted to look at solving an immediate problem without thinking of the medium to long term consequences.

394799 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #609 of 1834 🔗

which is why it’s nigh-on impossible to credit the notion that all this is nothing more than well-intentioned stupidity.

394794 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 31, #610 of 1834 🔗

So let me get your logic Mr Handjob. The PCR gives a positive test therefore that is someone who has the disease? But they have no symptoms and are not ill. Aaah! That’s because of asymptomatic transmission? What? But I have just redone the test and they are negative. Aah! That’s because you have used a LFT test, they don’t work. But I just used it on this bloke who is coughing and short of breath and it shows positive. No only the PCR test is the gold standard, so test using that. Right did it and I am negative. Aah! That’s good but you still have to isolation for 14 days and pretend you have it. WHAT! Fuck that I’m getting another one done, I need to go back to work. Right just done another test and this is positive, so your test is balls. Aaah! No you have become reinfected, this can happen, even though its never happened in history before That’s whats happened.
Would it not be easier to just admit your test does not work properly and your test centres are rubbish and to let us all get on with our lives? No you will kill Granny! But they have all been vaccinated, surely they are no longer vulnerable? Aaah! No they are still dying. Look 22 died in one care home. But that was just after receiving their jab. Yes Covid is brutal. Now run along and roll up your sleeve ready for your experimental vaccine.

394803 ▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #611 of 1834 🔗

They also use video surveillance following the test .I got a film camera icon pop up on my phone last night when I touched it my phone screen turned to portrait mode and there I was in the frame with NHS tracking logo above the frame.

394820 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Teddy Edward, #612 of 1834 🔗

Seriously? That is dystopian!

394877 ▶▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to this is my username, 4, #613 of 1834 🔗

Yes I had the test a few times before I stopped despite efforts to pressure me.I work as a Nurse so they assume I’m on point with the bullshit.

394823 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #614 of 1834 🔗

Yes, never take a test.

394901 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to nottingham69, 3, #615 of 1834 🔗

You might want to ditch the spy in your pocket while you’re at it! MW

394817 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 25, #616 of 1834 🔗

Old Tom was a closet sceptic. Anti Vaxxer and rule breaking granny killer partying it out in Barbados. Get it round you Zealots!

394846 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #617 of 1834 🔗

I don’t what the relevant law was when he jetted off on holiday, but a foreign holiday was certainly against the spirit of the “Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives” public health policy.

395132 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #618 of 1834 🔗

I would say so. They seem to be tactfully overlooking it.

394852 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #619 of 1834 🔗

he was /ourguy/

394842 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 12, #620 of 1834 🔗

The first time that I had heard of Capt. Tom Morgan was when I read that the insufferable Piers Morgan had tried to use him as a gotcha to Lord Sumption.

394845 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Caramel, 19, #621 of 1834 🔗

The insincere grief-fest continues: minute’s silence before PMQs apparently.

394855 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to kh1485, 11, #622 of 1834 🔗
394856 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 10, #623 of 1834 🔗

Did they do a minute silence they announced 100k “covid deaths”?
The hypocrisy.

394857 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 11, #624 of 1834 🔗

Here in Cornwall apparently flags will fly at half mast, there’s to be a minute’s silence before footie etc, clapping at 7pm tomorrow. Sigh.

394892 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to bluemoon, 3, #625 of 1834 🔗

The Liverpool fans are demanding it on their message boards. Most of them- not all- are all for taking the knee as well. Supported LFC since 1964- becoming more and more of an empty habit these days.

394902 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #626 of 1834 🔗

Same here. I’ve Refused to watch any sport, with no spectators. So, didn’t even see my team lift the trophy, having waited 30 years. And subsequently missed all the virtue sigkneeling. Small mercies!

395004 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #627 of 1834 🔗

We must be of similar age, Dermot. Did you used to hang round Melwood learning to swear from Reuben Bennet and Ronnie Moran ? 🙂

Lawrence Lawler Byrne Milne Yeats Stevenson Callaghan Hunt St John Smith Thompson.

Not yet an empty habit for me – it’s not footie’s fault they are using it as the modern ‘circuses’.

395194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnB, #628 of 1834 🔗

Hey!
1) Geoff Strong at number ten possibly.
2) I certainly did used to hang round Melwood- from time to time, anyway……never, before or since, heard anybody who could curse like Ronnie Moran!
3) Been watching a lot of LFC matches from the early/mid ‘seventies of late…..how good was Ian Callaghan? Eh? Never, ever, had a poor game…..match I watched the other day, might have been against Stoke, he basically did Peter Cormack’s job as well as his own….never mind N’Golo Kante, what would IRC be worth these days…..not that he’d be desperate to leave for another few quid, of course…..we’ll not see his like again, either as a player or as a man.
4) Mo Salah’s second goal against West Ham…..the first wasn’t bad, either!

395547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #629 of 1834 🔗

Cally was fantastic. Such a great bloke too. People forget he played a game in the 66 World Cup !

Mo’s 2nd will probably win goal of the season. But I reckon Jurgen would have voted for the 3rd.

We better win tonight – too many of my neighbours and mates here in Sussex are B&HA season ticket holders. 🙁

394867 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to kh1485, 7, #630 of 1834 🔗

*Moore. Yikes, that is right up there with ‘clapping for the NHS’ for inane virtue signalling.

I’m still cringing over the light projections of essential workers in the city during Christmas here in Australia. People were looking reverently at them and I was muttering in disgust.

394888 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, 5, #631 of 1834 🔗

On the bright side, a minute’s silence from MPs is better than a minute of them flapping their shitholes.

395063 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to AidanR, 1, #632 of 1834 🔗

Any time I see the Commons on TV there only seem to be about 3 in the chamber : the MP who is talking , the Speaker or Deputy and one other, usually sleeping off the heavily liquid, taxpayer subsidised lunch. Where the rest are , what they are doing is a mystery . In most places I have worked we had to fill in a time sheet. Introduce that system at Westminster and have the results available to the relevant constituents.

394844 RDawg, 50, #633 of 1834 🔗

All those selfish arseholes not wearing masks or following lockdown rules. They are responsible for Captain Tom’s death. He would have lived to 120 years old otherwise. It is absolutely unacceptable in 2021, that a man can simply die of old age. I am fuming!! 😡 😡

394851 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 11, #634 of 1834 🔗

I found a place one can move to if you want to escape the worst of Lockdown – Borchester.
Clothes shopping? Underwoods is open!
Fancy a nice meal? The Grange Hotel is open!
Spa treatment? See above!
Btw, The Grange is doing a special for Valentines day, they need the business.
The Bull Pub is open as well, and I would guess Jolene and Kenton have something special planned again.

Where is this, you ask? BBC R4 Monday to Thursday, 7pm.

394863 ▶▶ Will, replying to Silke David, 2, #635 of 1834 🔗

And farmers are rewinding their land…. I listened for over 20 uyears but the rewinding Brookfield story finished me off for good.

394884 ▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Will, 1, #636 of 1834 🔗

“Rewilding” but rewinding sounds just as good.

394887 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to peterthepainter, #637 of 1834 🔗

The autocorrect on this forum is infuriating!!

394910 ▶▶▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Will, 1, #638 of 1834 🔗

I know. Sometimes I just mishear things. For years I thought The Rolling Stones wanted to paint a rickshaw black. Always seemed to be a funny thing to want to paint.

395046 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Will, 1, #639 of 1834 🔗

I thought that the Archers was originally intended to be a programme that told farmers, in story format, about the latest methods for improving food production at a time (early 50s ) when there was still food rationing and shortages. Not impressed, as an 7 or 8yr old, when they took off Dick Barton for a programme about farming – boring.

394891 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Silke David, 1, #640 of 1834 🔗

2 pints of Shires, please! MW

394906 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 3, #641 of 1834 🔗

I am torn between not wanting to see coronabollocks normalised on TV and thinking that TV and film ought to run people’s noses in the grim reality, but by pretending that covid doesn’t exist people feel they are getting a dose of normal life through the telescreen

394859 Will, replying to Will, 14, #642 of 1834 🔗

A hundred year old man dies of a hospital acquired infection in February and people are surprised….

394949 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Will, 2, #643 of 1834 🔗

A hundred year old man died with said hospital acquired infection.

Back in February, I didn’t understand why people thought that someone dying in their 80s and 90s was considered to be breaking news and tragic.

394860 Fear is Finite, 30, #644 of 1834 🔗

I wrote this poem on the day the current lockdown was announced, and my kids were having their GCSEs and A levels cancelled (one in each year group). I was so angry I didn’t really sleep for a week, I don’t understand why ordinary people aren’t angry? I’m not financially impacted and my children still have full online content (independent school), I could ignore the whole thing. But to do that would be idiotic, we are all interconnected and we need to have something to get back to that’s worth having. It seems a strange way to discover those who value freedom and liberty, versus those who think nothing has been lost outside of a bit of their time on this planet. I am nobody, I have no power or voice. We need to celebrate absolutely everyone who has spoken out, even in small tentative ways, even if it’s just to the people they know, even when they get nowhere. I want to move away from all the vaccine posturing and roadmaps out of lockdown that are just distractions, and back to the basic tenet that none of it should have been done, none of it. Ever.

REMEMBER

Remember before?
Those halcyon days
When we longed for a news story that wasn’t Brexit based
When we couldn’t even imagine covering our face

Remember before?
Businesses, restaurants, clubs and pubs
The heart of communities, our way of life
Not hotbeds of unscientifically determined strife

Remember before?
When science was debatable
A movable feast of opinion, challenge and experimentation
Hypothesis proving or breaking

Remember before?
When friends were close
Family huggable, even the reluctant teens
Our nearest and dearest, not killing machines

Remember before?
When children were sacred
Protected and cherished, education a must
Not recklessly abandoned, thrown under the bus

Remember before?
Life was more than just “being alive”
When risk versus benefit underpinned our being
Not hiding away, fearful and meek, unseeing

What now, you ask
Are we on our knees?
Can we take anymore
Lockdowns or tiers 1, 2, 3 and 4…

Remember now
Truth, liberty and justice have not died
Perhaps just retreated for a short moment in history
We need to fight on and have faith in their victory

Remember to have hope

394866 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #645 of 1834 🔗

They are going to have a clap for Tom at 7pm Thursday. A fitting tribute

394869 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cecil B, 4, #646 of 1834 🔗

Or virtue signalling

394880 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 3, #647 of 1834 🔗

And there’s going to be another Alexander Johnson press conference this evening prior to that, apparently.

394875 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 2, #648 of 1834 🔗

6pm, according to Sky News.

395204 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #649 of 1834 🔗

Johnson calls for national clap for Captain Tom and health workers at 6pm tonight Boris Johnson starts by paying his own tribute to “Captain Tom” as he calls him. He praises him for his optimism, and his declaration that tomorrow will be a good day. He encourages everyone to join a national clap for Moore, and for health workers, at 6pm this evening.

394871 PatrickF, 4, #650 of 1834 🔗

Just watching PMQs. Theresa May looking more and more like a bag lady, wrapped in a blue blanket.

394872 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 16, #651 of 1834 🔗

Should the politicians not be feeling a bit ashamed that they let the health service get into such a state that a then 99 year old war veteran felt that he needed to do something to help?

394886 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to pvenkman, 1, #652 of 1834 🔗

They have no shame

394890 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to pvenkman, 7, #653 of 1834 🔗

In all honesty the money raised was pretty meaningless. The NHS burns through that kind of dosh in about two hours, and most of it was probably swallowed up in the gaping maw of their unbelievably incompetent and profligate procurement machine.

394894 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #654 of 1834 🔗

It didn’t go to the NHS directly, but charities supporting staff. Creating rest areas, gift hampers, food parcels etc.

394907 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #655 of 1834 🔗

Fair enough to the old boy but I’ve never seen any NHS staff in need of food parcels.

395048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #656 of 1834 🔗

Diet pills might have been better.

394873 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 5, #657 of 1834 🔗

For the complicity theorists out there, please explain the following so as to banish any conspiracist doubt?

In April 2019, there was a fashion show, featured in Project Runway, featuring the design talents of one Kovid Kapoor, with matching mask outfits.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/project-runway-predicts-future-contestant-23098754

In September 2019, there was Event 201.
https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174

In November 2019, Pfiffle and his ilk, were having meetings, with Bill GatesofHell, on how to prevent future pandemics (going well, isnt it?)

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-hails-herculean-effort-of-life-science-companies-to-defeat-coronavirus

394883 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jinks, 6, #658 of 1834 🔗

Reuters have ‘fact checked’ the Kovid Kapoor story, offering the following watertight explanation:

“Kapoor referred to the Indian concept “kismat” or “kismet”, which is used to describe fate or destiny”

Nothing more that fate, or a coincidence, or something. Now move along, nothing to see here…

394904 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #659 of 1834 🔗

So they “fact checked” Kapoor instead of Kovid? Makes sense.

394913 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #660 of 1834 🔗

I’ve just read that in Sanskrit, Kovid means intelligence so could the name be saying ‘intelligence of your fate’ – someone with inside knowledge trying to warn us?

394945 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to jos, 3, #661 of 1834 🔗

Well, if you want to play that game…Kapoor means Camphor, traditionally used to relieve upper airway congestion caused by the common cold, which is often caused by coronaviruses.

394985 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jos, 1, #662 of 1834 🔗

Or it could be sayin the whole virus bollox is an intelligence agency scam ?

394929 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Jinks, 5, #663 of 1834 🔗

Add to that list the World Military Games that took place in FUCKING WUHAN.

Coincidence Credulists – “Nothing To See Here”™

395084 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #664 of 1834 🔗

At which there was a huge USA presence.

395106 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #665 of 1834 🔗

which the chinese at one time said was the source – the americans attending the games

395069 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jinks, 1, #666 of 1834 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwI-kjqSkA

A rap song from 2013 about a pandemic includes the line:

“2020 combined with coronavirus, bodies stacking”

395929 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, #667 of 1834 🔗

wow.

394878 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 12, #668 of 1834 🔗

Have you noticed the BBC (Biased Broadcasting Corporation) is suffering from a case of déjà vu… In two recent on the street interviews they have spoken to the same people both time’s. I believe they are using actor’s or mixing the clips to make the public think these interviews are live/real. I have proof this is what is happening.

394921 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to cloud6, 1, #669 of 1834 🔗

Are you able to post the clips?

395708 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to cloud6, 1, #670 of 1834 🔗

I wonder if anything was real.

394879 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 2, #671 of 1834 🔗

Did Tommy have a Billy poison? jab?

394911 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nottingham69, 2, #672 of 1834 🔗

I recall hearing or reading that he did around Christmas time, but apparently not. Rumours are floating around that he did. We may never know for sure.

394998 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to nottingham69, 1, #673 of 1834 🔗

To be fair to TY’s ATL, the stop press item at the bottom of the Capt Tom article asks if anyone can provide evidence that he may have had the vaccine (contrary to what we are being told).

394889 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #674 of 1834 🔗

So the clown is having yet another conference this eve at 6pm. Sure to be questioned sternly by “sharp minded” bbc journalists.

Whatsitaboutthenthisf**kingtime ?

  1. To announce the successful arrest and immediate imprisonment of the youth who called Whitty a Liar ?
  2. Early opening of schools as his boss Sturgeon has already taken the lead here yet again.

answers on a postcard please !

394903 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to nickbowes, 9, #675 of 1834 🔗

“Prime Minister, in the light of the brutal murder of a centenarian with pneumonia by Covidiot conspiracy theorist vaccine deniers, isn’t it time they were all burned at the stake so we can finally all be safe for ever?”

394943 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 3, #676 of 1834 🔗

He wants to pay a tearful tribute to captain Dupe.
Whom we are supposed to be outside, applauding, at 6 pm.

394977 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Annie, 2, #677 of 1834 🔗

‘Already got our ‘Ground Zero Plays Standards’ (90x Japanese experimental noise band) CD poised to play at full blast at 6pm just in case, just as we did when a few idiots round here were out clapping like monkeys in the spring.

Thankfully, nobody has bothered since this ‘clap-fest for your own humiliation’ was revived but I wouldn’t put it past one or two round here to clap for Major Tom, they are so addled.

Those Were the Days (Track 3) does the job (very loud, very wild). MW

395221 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #678 of 1834 🔗

That’s not the old Mary Hopkin song, presumably?

395032 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Annie, 2, #679 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps he’ll bring out Hancock to do the quivering chin and tears act – well he must have refined it to perfection by now.

395074 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to nickbowes, #680 of 1834 🔗

No. To give the youth a Knighthood!!

395143 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to nickbowes, 1, #681 of 1834 🔗

immediate imprisonment of the youth who called Whitty a Liar ?

If there are youths out there calling Whitty a liar they better open the schools again double quick.

394893 DanClarke, 6, #682 of 1834 🔗

Cause a meltdown in the country, and then rise from the ashes, Churchillian like, or as Blair would say from the shadows, Blairlike. It worked for me, a war and in for 3 terms

394896 leggy, 2, #683 of 1834 🔗

I’m not even sure what to say any more.

394898 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #684 of 1834 🔗

DR VERNON COLEMAN ~ DOCTORS AND NURSES GIVING THE COVID-19 VACCINE WILL BE TRIED AS WAR CRIMINALS
So informative and so emotional – a must watch for everybody – please distribute wide

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ES0nbaf4wWZ6/?fbclid=IwAR0YhV0eExfQZCbSIT8H9XTNQ0PuBeBLTYNVWVZzfaoVm-UsLbiVDkm62LY

395018 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Victoria, 3, #685 of 1834 🔗

That was harrowing… I cannot stop crying… I hope one day someone posts this man’s REAL desperate tears next to Wancock’s vile performance

394915 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #686 of 1834 🔗
394923 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #687 of 1834 🔗

Yes. Suspect there is also herd immunity within other cohorts of the population – Travellers, Pakistani, students.

394927 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 4, #688 of 1834 🔗

I would be interested especially about how Covid has been for the travelling community. I’d be shocked if they abided by the ‘rules’ of masks and SDing.

394993 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #689 of 1834 🔗

When I was in Greece I saw a mask-wearing old boy ranting at a couple of Romani women for not wearing masks.

395195 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Waldorf, #690 of 1834 🔗

They really don’t like Gypos in Greece

395661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jaguarpig, #691 of 1834 🔗

or anywhere.

395064 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #692 of 1834 🔗

Judging by the epidemic of stolen dogs and hare coursing I don’t think they have been in lockdown.

394937 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #693 of 1834 🔗

Yes the bat cold has been such a toll on the homeless, the smackheads and the methheads
Bodies piled up in the streets

395118 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #694 of 1834 🔗

Walking in North London today I saw an Orthodox Jew emerge from a dentist’s office wearing a mask. As soon as he was on the street, he took the mask off. In fact he practically ripped it off his face.

394917 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #695 of 1834 🔗

Scottish Government unashamed to use Captain Tim Moore as political football even in death. The Holyrood Parliament and St Andrew’s House, Scotland’s equivalent to Whitehall, are both flying the European Union flag at half mast.

Did Captain Tom Moore do anything during his life to protect and respect democracy?

No coverage of this foul act anywhere.

394961 ▶▶ peter-, replying to Basics, 5, #696 of 1834 🔗

As Scotland is no longer a member of the EU surely the right to fly the flag should be taken away from them…a very odd and infantile thing to do.

394965 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to peter-, 4, #697 of 1834 🔗

EU flags have been flown continuously since brexit day at both places and the Edinburgh City Council Chambers.
Infantile yes.

395360 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, #698 of 1834 🔗

Yes, infantile pretty much sums up Scottish politics.

395058 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, #699 of 1834 🔗

Did Captain Tom Moore do anything during his life to protect and respect democracy?”

Errr … actually – Yes.

There was that little episode of WWII. A bit more life-threatening than being a Sceptic, if we’re honest.

Alternative fallacies and an anti-Eu rant don’t make a truth.

395085 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 1, #700 of 1834 🔗

not an anti EU rant.. more of an anti Scottish government rant i think … it is they that are making a puerile political statement by continuing to fly the flags

395129 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 3, #701 of 1834 🔗

Did you miss the clear scarcasm in my rhetorical question? Captain for a reason, the whole point of Tom Moore’s celebrity was that he fought the previous european dictatorship. That is pretty basic – no?

If we are honest you were fast to imply my own dishonesty in your red mist over europe.

To clarify. There was nothing anti Eurpopean in my comment. There was a want for oobservation of democracy. We are now discussing your own chip on shoulder.

394951 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to p02099003, 3, #703 of 1834 🔗

Covid apartheid – this must stop NOW!

395136 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #704 of 1834 🔗

Just troll the maskholes – its much more fun

394932 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 14, #705 of 1834 🔗

FFS!!…..just seen on my phone newsfeed thing, Breaking News,

Tonight at 6pm, there will be a nationwide clap for Tom.

I wish that I was joking, but unfortunately, I’m not.

394934 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 12, #706 of 1834 🔗

This country becomes more like North Korea every day.

394956 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Chicot, 18, #707 of 1834 🔗

.

395006 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #708 of 1834 🔗

LOL!

395477 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer, #709 of 1834 🔗

Bears more than a passing resemblance to Adolph. Just needs that little moustache and job’s a good un.

395652 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #710 of 1834 🔗

In Korean l sounds like r so Crap! Crap for all you’re worth!

394936 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 8, #711 of 1834 🔗

Nationwide puke.

394952 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 16, #712 of 1834 🔗

It’s now being reported on the propaganda live website.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/what-time-captain-tom-moore-19758481

No offence, but I certainly will not be clapping for Tom.

In different news, my 7 year old goldfish died today….so, I’m starting a go fund me page for him to pay for his flushing down the toilet funeral**, then I am going to organise a National Clap for ALL dead goldfish, maybe for Friday, 7am….supply your own pots & pans.

I hope all here can help me in this horrible time…..RIP Supper. 2014-2021.

**I might not flush him down the toilet, I might see if my cat will eat him instead 🤔

395078 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 3, #713 of 1834 🔗

good age for a goldfish. and every day different … yet the same .

395154 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, #714 of 1834 🔗

Sounds disturbingly like NHS dental practice, MJ. Same old shit, different date on the patient notes…..

394988 ▶▶ alw, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #715 of 1834 🔗

It has become pass the sickbag stuff.

395072 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, -2, #716 of 1834 🔗

Frankly – so has the pointless and repetitious obsession with it (and some other similar topics) on this site.

It far outweighs any new interesting information and insight in terms of comment inches.

Time to get a grip.

395011 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #717 of 1834 🔗

My reaction to reading about his death was annoyance. It’s all sad and great loss blah blah but that he would be used an example of why covid should be taken seriously, the politicking, and the amount of virtue signalling would be off the charts.

395135 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Caramel, 3, #718 of 1834 🔗

“he would be used an example of why covid should be taken seriously, ”

They might be reluctant to go that route because he caught it in hospital, he wasn’t admitted with it. It could just as easily used to highlight the failings of infection control in hospitals.

395060 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 5, #719 of 1834 🔗

If anyone joins this then they have no self respect. What about all our elderly veteran who are being left to die in solitary confinement refused health care and without access to relatives.

395211 ▶▶ Edward, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #720 of 1834 🔗

I’ll be watching “Scotland Yard” on Talking Pictures TV, from the days when the police weren’t our enemy. If necessary I’ll turn up the volume to drown out any clapping.

395309 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #721 of 1834 🔗

They are desperate to recreate that supposed national feeling of the first lockdown.

395642 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #722 of 1834 🔗

Crickets outside my house but I’m in the back room.

394940 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #723 of 1834 🔗

The Tess Laurie Ivermectin video. You can only give emergency approval for a vaccine if NO OTHER TREATMENTS have been shown to work. These vaccines must be pulled from general use NOW and replaced by Ivermectin treatment. If the vaccines complete trials in 2023 and gain approval then, fine, re-release them, but to ignore this treatment now and continue to supply new vaccines as an “emergency” is ILLEGAL. End OF!

395270 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #724 of 1834 🔗

Biggest crime ever: killing billions through anti-climate change policies.
2nd biggest: Western Covid lockdowns killing 130 million people in the 3rd World, plus tens of millions in Western countries.
3rd biggest: not funding proper research into Covid treatments but diffamating and censoring it.
4th biggest: experimental gene therapies against Covid 19, but that one might still fall or rise up in its ranking.
5th biggest: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, WW1 etc.

394953 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #725 of 1834 🔗

Strange how this petition only gleaned a handful of signatures yesterday.
Make it illegal for businesses to challenge those not wearing face coverings https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/555177

394960 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 5, #726 of 1834 🔗

petitions are artificially throttled
and also useless
Why would you beg the criminals for anything?

395125 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, #727 of 1834 🔗

I’d rather remove the requirement to wear masks at all. Let those who want to wear one if it makes them feel safer, but don’t impose it on everyone else.

Not going to happen, unfortunately. Some airlines plus the U.S. CDC have made masks mandatory on all forms of travel.

394959 jos, replying to jos, 29, #728 of 1834 🔗

Following my best friend’s announcement that she is about to have the jab and realising that nothing I say will make a difference, I’ve decided instead to say to everyone I know when they say the same, ‘You’re so brave and such a hero for taking part in the trials for this experimental vaccine – I’m just too much of a coward!’ Do you think this will work?

394966 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to jos, 7, #729 of 1834 🔗

I don’t want to spend time with GMO people. I will probably just avoid them. Out of everyone I know, I only know two who are willing to have the jab, and I’ve said what I can to dissuade them. I probably won’t be saying anything afterwards.

By the time they’ve had the jab it won’t matter what you say, unfortunately.

395391 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to this is my username, 3, #730 of 1834 🔗

One friend has just had it and said she had a terrible migraine-like headache and that she wished she’d read more about it beforehand- I didn’t feel I could remind her of an hour-long conversation I’d had with her in which I’d gone through all my reasons for not wanting it – do people just not want to hear it? It’s very strange as if they are mind-controlled – I guess that’s exactly what a year exposed to relentless MSM propaganda can do.

395562 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to jos, #731 of 1834 🔗

Well done for trying. I’ve no idea why people don’t want to listen.

394970 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to jos, 1, #732 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps you might like to include the word “selfless”?

395014 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jos, 2, #733 of 1834 🔗

Thank you! I will start using this!! Maybe this will wake them up.

395034 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to jos, 1, #734 of 1834 🔗

Maybe just… GOOD LUCK?

395636 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Pebbles, #735 of 1834 🔗

GOODBYE! lol

395632 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to jos, #736 of 1834 🔗

They are not listening. Just get the word experimental in there but it will bounce off their heads like roadchips.

394964 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #737 of 1834 🔗

Sadiq Khan still peddling the idea that covid wrecked the economy. If there was no other choice how did other places manage to take a different route?

Mayor of London (gov.uk/coronavirus)
@MayorofLondon

A new report I commissioned shows Covid-19 has been devastating for central London’s economy, with retail, hospitality, culture & night time industries hit the hardest. When London thrives, the whole country thrives. It’s vital the Govt supports our city’s businesses to recover.

394968 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #738 of 1834 🔗

Usual bollocks plus where does the think “Govt” money comes from – from tax revenues raised in London, among other places…

394969 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #739 of 1834 🔗

It was the policies which caused the damage. Why can’t he see that? He doesn’t want to.

394983 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #740 of 1834 🔗

The people of London deserve him.

395304 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to AidanR, 1, #741 of 1834 🔗

No we don’t.Hes voted in by the liberal middle class types and the ethnic vote.The last 2 mayors have put Ken Livingston in a good light.

395438 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jonathan Palmer, #742 of 1834 🔗

I thought about all that (Ken was mayor when I lived in London) and decided to GTFO from London. Anyone who doesn’t make that decision … well… they knew what they signed up for.

394967 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #743 of 1834 🔗

Apparently the data from the first astra zenica vaccines is very positive, with less hospitalisations, deaths, etc, as well as less transmission in this group – this is good news.

but is not also true that there is less hospitalisations, deaths, etc, as well as less transmission – through out the population as a whole?

395026 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Major Panic, 4, #744 of 1834 🔗

need to see the data. from what I hear first hand, the side effects are so rough you don’t go out for a few days – thus lowering your risk of catching covid

395116 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to steve_w, 1, #745 of 1834 🔗

The side effects can’t be good for the very elderly….

395259 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, 2, #746 of 1834 🔗

This stuff is so manipulated, data-mined and statistically insignificant that it makes a first grader puke.
The Oxford data is often very illogical and arrived at by chance.
I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.
And if it was French, nor would any Brit.
Anyone who longs for it primarily because it’s British fully deserves their fate.

394974 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 20, #747 of 1834 🔗

A paediatrician in Germany carried out a little study with some of his primary school aged patients re effects of mnc wearing in school for hours.
He noticed that the children involuntary change how they breath, more rapid or taking deeper breaths.
They all had increased levels of adrenalin and another stress hormone, sometimes 4 times as much as normal.
Considering they have to wear mnc for about 6hrs, 5 days, this is a lot of stress on a developing body and can have serious consequences later in live.
He himself tested his hormones, and on occasion had a 200% increase in stress hormone after wearing a FFP2 mask for 8hrs whilst at work.
He cannot get any people in power, doctors, scientists, to respond to his findings or want to carry out a regulated study.
He had a video on YT in October, which was deleted within 2 days.

395021 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silke David, 2, #748 of 1834 🔗

Is the other stress hormone cortisol?

395112 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #749 of 1834 🔗

Yes.
It normally follows a circadian rhythm, the level varies according to the time of day, i.e. midnight vs 9am

395027 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Silke David, 1, #750 of 1834 🔗

Do you have his name by any chance for a follow up?

395206 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Pebbles, 2, #751 of 1834 🔗

Eugen Janzen.
This latest video I saw via a telegram channel, Alles ausser Mainstream, the channel of Dr Bodo Schiffmann.

395087 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Silke David, 12, #752 of 1834 🔗

Posted here months ago:

https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage
German Neurologist Warns Against Wearing Facemasks: ‘Oxygen Deprivation Causes Permanent Neurological Damage’
“The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive.

The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.

However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.

We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.

While you’re thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.

The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.

I do not wear a mask, I need my brain to think. I want to have a clear head when I deal with my patients, and not be in a carbon dioxide-induced anaesthesia.

There is no unfounded medical exemption from face masks because oxygen deprivation is dangerous for every single brain. It must be the free decision of every human being whether they want to wear a mask that is absolutely ineffective to protect themselves from a virus.

For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child’s brain, or the youth’s brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.

To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.

The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Consciously and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.”

395213 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to LMS2, 2, #753 of 1834 🔗

This is a different doctor.
I know about the above, but he actually did physical tests on 20 children, of course with their and their parents permission.

394975 Annie, replying to Annie, 5, #754 of 1834 🔗

An update from the campaign to end the unspeakable, wicked cruelty of isolating frail, bewildered old people in care homes.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/government-guidance-has-failed-care-homes/?utm_source=sendinblue&utm_campaign=Update25152078onGovernmentGuidanceHasFailedCareHomeResidentsAndTheirFamiliesFebruary032021&utm_medium=email

Please share, lromote, support.

395080 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 3, #755 of 1834 🔗

Talk Radio is currently on the case as well, highlighting the plight of the elderly and others in care homes who have not had visits from relatives for a year.

I wouldn’t mind betting that many of the care home deaths are because the resident have simply given up.

394976 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #756 of 1834 🔗

The lockdown has not been in vain

I have obtained an NVQ Level One qualification in toasted sausage sandwich making

394989 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, 4, #757 of 1834 🔗

Every cloud has a toasted lining.

394991 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Cecil B, 2, #758 of 1834 🔗

I hope that you didn’t make sourdough.

395036 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 1, #759 of 1834 🔗

How do you toast a sausage, please?

395124 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 7, #760 of 1834 🔗

If you don’t know now you will never know

I’m not qualified to train you as I have not completed the diversity module yet

395162 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cecil B, 3, #761 of 1834 🔗

I’m beginning to doubt you because if genuine you would know it is the unconscious bias module you need .

395164 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 4, #762 of 1834 🔗

you all raise your glasses and say “here’s to the sausage”

395119 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 3, #763 of 1834 🔗

Hey with that level of qualification you could become a government minister or a member of s(aus)age.

395625 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #764 of 1834 🔗

Level Two is better. You learn about all the different mustards and ketchups.

394981 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 44, #765 of 1834 🔗

Hancock is now telling people in the ‘strain’ areas that they cannot go out for food. They must first use the food in cupboards and freezers – presumably stored for when or if there are food shortages.

That is a form of psychological terrorism. There will be many frightened nay terrified individuals now in those areas which will contain thousands of people too frightened to feed themselves properly.

Sorry to invoke Godwin but this is a new low. This is on a par with Goebbels ‘total war’.

394984 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 18, #766 of 1834 🔗

He truly is a madman

395017 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 10, #767 of 1834 🔗

I no longer listen to any of them and on that note we’re off out for a drive to some parkland where we will walk and sit on benches if there are any!

395097 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Cecil B, #768 of 1834 🔗

Yes most certainly mad. He based his acquiring the amount of the vaccines based on the film Contagion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55917374

394986 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #769 of 1834 🔗

I think few will obey this. Not in a political or chest-pounding way, more’s the pity, but they won’t follow it.

395002 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Waldorf, 7, #770 of 1834 🔗

Maybe but there will be plenty who do especially the older generation many vulnerable, who will be too terrified to go out to the shops and look after themselves properly as a result of this. In any normal society or context he would be arrested for an act.

395015 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 24, #771 of 1834 🔗

None of my elderly relatives have the slightest interest in listening to anything the government says. They’re all determined to continue living their lives to the extent they can when all their amenities are closed.

They survived WW2, rationing, Honk Kong Fluey, smallpox, polio, the cold war, the troubles and Tony Blair. They couldn’t give a fuck about conoronapox.

395049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to AidanR, 3, #772 of 1834 🔗

Good to hear Aidan but there will be many without that foresight and determination especially the frail mentally and physically who are targeted with this.

395057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #773 of 1834 🔗

Well, I don’t have much sympathy for those people because – and I didn’t realise this when I was young – people don’t go from being lucid, brave and determined in their 30s to indecisive, timorous and conformist in their 70s.

The old people who are cowed by this were, frankly, always an obstacle to the advancement of humankind from the day they came of age.

395208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to AidanR, 1, #774 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be terrified by the psychopaths in Westminster either.

395248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #775 of 1834 🔗

The feeble-minded are doomed to be terrified and exploited. It’s part of the human condition, and liking it or not ain’t gonna change it.

395588 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to AidanR, #776 of 1834 🔗

The population will include children who may not have the wherewithal to understand fully what is going on as well as people who have suffered breakdowns or trauma and not be fully able to understand what is happening the circumstances of which you and I don’t know. But you don’t appear to care and are happy for the govt to carry on terrorising the population because there are those who are not feeble-minded?

A crass response.

395667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #777 of 1834 🔗

Edge cases and exceptions will always exist… people who’ve had a traumatic experience that changed them. I’ve had one of those myself.

But I believe what I said is correct in the broad strokes.

And whether I care or not is completely immaterial to the facts on the ground, as are any emotional responses you may have to my use of terms like ‘feeble-minded’ which is a historically legitimate, if antiquated, term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeble-minded

395090 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AidanR, #778 of 1834 🔗

Glad to hear this!

394999 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #779 of 1834 🔗

And this for 11 cases, and now a further 33 cases (on top of a previous 55 cases. The masonic 33 today. This strain is not more transmissable. It’s just more t e r r o r i s m !

395030 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to this is my username, 1, #780 of 1834 🔗

Yes the symbolism is strong.

395007 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #781 of 1834 🔗

Utter nonsense isn’t it. I pointed out in comments on an article about this that if this SA variant is such a concern, why would South Africa have re-opened their bars and restaurants this week?

395009 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #782 of 1834 🔗

I need to know if this is true RIGHT NOW. Please. If you have a source post it, I can’t find it. This stops NOW if it is true!

395041 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to leggy, #784 of 1834 🔗

Yes was just about to post that.

395152 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to leggy, 1, #785 of 1834 🔗

He needs to be shut up asap.

What a horrible thing to say.
I guess secretly the govt is planning to rake in money they spent on this fiasco by killing as many pensioners as possible.

395186 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Silke David, #786 of 1834 🔗

cost benefit analysis .. savings of pension payments and cost of hospital treatment

395042 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #787 of 1834 🔗

See below.

395061 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #788 of 1834 🔗

Thank you. I have found the direct quote on BBC Breakfast. This is completely unacceptable.

395023 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 13, #789 of 1834 🔗

He is a dangerous psychopath and I mean that. He has seriously messianic delusions. He obviously hasn’t read the SA CDC Statement of yesterday completely demolishing his claims and working in conjunction with WHO. He has lost it this should spell the beginning of the end for him. I bet the pig Dictator will further scare monger today.

395033 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #790 of 1834 🔗

He knows, like we all do, that this will, in spite of the tightest measures, ‘surprisingly’ spread to the rest of the country just as restrictions look like being loosened. More severe lockdowns will unfortunately be required.

395024 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #791 of 1834 🔗

I sort of hope this frenzy is because they know its over and want to take the credit.

395618 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #792 of 1834 🔗

There’ll be a lot of Mother Hubbards in those areas I suspect 😉

394982 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 6, #793 of 1834 🔗

I was browsing in a fairly well-stocked newsagents and saw the magazine Nexus on sale. It had anti-lockdown articles. What do people think of the magazine?

394995 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Waldorf, #794 of 1834 🔗

Never heard of it but thanks for the tip, I’ll look out for it.

395010 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Waldorf, #795 of 1834 🔗

Looks like a nexus of moonbats to me.

395101 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, 1, #796 of 1834 🔗

Some of the articles appeared a little eccentric and I did not buy it as I get all the sceptic arguments I need on sites like this, but if anyone wants to read a paper publication that is sceptic there is that one.

395142 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Waldorf, #797 of 1834 🔗

Yes, I’ve seen it on the shelves and it seems a bit batshit TBH.

395169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #798 of 1834 🔗

Well, if you want an alternative to MSM moonbattery…
It reminds me of a Royalist jibe at Cromwell:
“Not that they liked his usurpations well
But change of evil is some ease in hell.”

395227 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Waldorf, 2, #799 of 1834 🔗

I have been aware of it for years. It was too tin-foil hat even for me so I never really got into it. However I know a few few people who love it. I have listened to Marcus Alllen, the editor and producer of it a lot talking about stuff. His main thing, his life’s work, literally, is proving that man never landed on the moon.

He does an absolutely superb job of this.

394987 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 30, #800 of 1834 🔗

Just listening (for my sins) to Jeremy Vine on BBC R2 talking about vaccines with Dr Simon Clarke, Prof in cellular microbiology at University of Reading. Started off with the expected load of nonsense and supposition about covid variants and the vaccines currently in use in the UK or scheduled for use.

But what really appalled me was their discussion on the prospect of availability of a Russian vaccine. Talk about out and out Russophobia. Vine starts off by saying that although he is an advocate of vaccines maybe we should ‘think twice about the wisdom of taking a vaccine from a country where a political opponent is attacked with poison in his underpants’. He then asks Clarke how he would feel about a Russian vaccine. Would he be happy to have it? Clarke’s jovial response was that he definitely wouldn’t take it unless he saw much more clinical data [about its efficacy and safety]. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance. And ‘we’ are accused of being unreasonable and spreading disinformation for asking for exactly the same standards in our own country.

394994 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #801 of 1834 🔗

I actually used to like JVs radio 2 slot, he always seemed impartial. I have switched off for a good 6 months now.

395000 ▶▶▶ Pet Lamb, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #802 of 1834 🔗

Me too….can’t listen to JV or the BBC news any more.

395003 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #803 of 1834 🔗

No, he’s always been a dyed in the wool wanker

395062 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #804 of 1834 🔗

me too..around 3/4 years ago at the height of Brexit……he was OK around 7 or 8 years back…..but his true lefty colours have come through………

395089 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #805 of 1834 🔗

He’s always been a cunt cut anyone off with dissenting views to their narrative

395099 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #806 of 1834 🔗

He is not impartial. He delivers over-simplified summaries at the cost of accuracy, and ignores anything that doesn’t fit his narrative

395001 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Dodderydude, 11, #807 of 1834 🔗

Stop calling them vaccines!!! They are experimental drugs. Trials do not end until January 2023. Until then, they are EXPERIMENTAL!

395016 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #808 of 1834 🔗

I just use the term, rhetorically, following the narrative of the broadcast. But I couldn’t agree with you more.

395031 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #809 of 1834 🔗

I know. I hear you. We all do it. But we must stop! Have you watched the Vernon Coleman video? I’m still in pieces. He is a broken, broken man!

395045 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #810 of 1834 🔗

Yes I saw it. It’s a very moving video.

395843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #811 of 1834 🔗

Watching it had a profound effect on me. I do fear for his mental and physical health. It is appalling the impact that the situation we are in is having on fine and honourable people of conscience. I have seen interviews with Sucharit Bhakdi in which he too has appeared very close to emotional breaking point.

395029 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #812 of 1834 🔗

In fact, since the Russian vaccine has been out there now for six months, Surely the authorities should have rushed months ago to organize licensing agreements with the Russians and to ramp up production – in order to ‘save lives’.

The Russians announced ages ago that they were ready to to do that.

395139 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 3, #813 of 1834 🔗

You don’t want commie drugs inside decent citizens, do you? Are you an enemy of the people, or what?

395121 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #814 of 1834 🔗

Clarke is one of the Spectator’s current roster of shills for hire- I assume he’ll knock out whatever Fraser asks for by deadline-time if they slip him a pony. And the Russophobia is contemptible.

395219 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #815 of 1834 🔗

It’s like Smashie and Nicey the Harry Enfield characters talking bollocks to each other.
Muppets

395012 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #816 of 1834 🔗

After declining the covid jab over the phone, I received a letter from my GP this morning requesting I ring them for a covid jab appointment. 🙄

395025 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #817 of 1834 🔗

Clearly the uptake isn’t quite as high as they’d like to make it out. Just say NO. It’s still a full sentence. What a waste of paper.

395052 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Pebbles, 5, #818 of 1834 🔗

listen to Zammo

395284 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mj, #819 of 1834 🔗

Zammo, a role model for millions back in day.

395065 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Pebbles, 8, #820 of 1834 🔗

Wancock has wasted so much money buying up so many vaccines way in excess of a single dose for the population he has to ensure they are used up! It’s a bit like have knocked off goods sitting in his garage!

395096 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #821 of 1834 🔗

Conjures up an image of Del Boy and Rodney touting Peckham Spring Vaccine!
But I think Del Boy would be more trustworthy.

395108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Old Bill, 1, #822 of 1834 🔗

Russian camcorders

395126 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #823 of 1834 🔗

I did see something on this the other day as an explanation.

As a member of GAVI, it was Britains role to ensure that we had sufficient vaccines ordered to be able to give them to the little countries too, who couldn’t afford their own.

So more money out fo our packets into the Gates Foundation world bank for vaccines that we are going to give away. Meanwhile, the country is going bankrupt.

395241 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Pebbles, 1, #824 of 1834 🔗

I’ll tell them to ring me back when they have an approved proper vaccine, not an experimental gene therapy.
And when they have that one available and ring, I’ll tell them that I’ll be in touch when I am old or sick enough to be classified as a member of an at risk group.

395039 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Bella Donna, #825 of 1834 🔗

And if you don’t?

395100 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to happychappy, #826 of 1834 🔗

Than you will be disappeared …

395038 peter-, replying to peter-, 56, #827 of 1834 🔗

Very troubling to see the MSM and the wider population coming out in defence of Chris Whitty this morning.

The narrative seems to be he is some sort of hero, with people demanding he is knighted and perpetually showered with praise for the rest of his days.

This is a man who is:

  • Imprisoning people in their homes
  • Destroying tens of thousands of businesses
  • Pushing millions in to unemployment and poverty
  • Denying millions of children an education
  • Forcing millions to draw on pensions early
  • Making going on holiday illegal

The list goes on but only in Britain could the plebus be so t errifyingly thick they would praise and cheer for a man doing this to them.

Make no mistake, SAGE have the power to end all of this today, it is their policy that is driving the destrcution of this country.

The man is perpetuating crimes against humanity and should face trial for treason, not enjoy unwavering support and adulation.

395054 ▶▶ TJN, replying to peter-, 20, #828 of 1834 🔗

Yes, and he’s the Chief Medical Officer, not the Chief Covid Officer. If people have died because they couldn’t get routine medical treatment it’s at his door.

One of the true villains in all this.

395091 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to peter-, 2, #829 of 1834 🔗

Official respons to this reminds me of dictatures …

395110 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to norwegian, 1, #830 of 1834 🔗

Someone told me that Whitty uses his dictaphone- is that what you were thinking of?

395120 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #831 of 1834 🔗

cant he use his finger like everyone else???

395043 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #832 of 1834 🔗

This is a simplified imaginary example of what an amateur trader might experience. If anybody has more in depth knowledge of trading feel free to pad it out a bit:

Let’s say they have a bank of £1000 and they’re trading something and choose a stake that will make or lose them £10 a point.

1. So they open a starting position in the hope that the price goes in a certain direction.

But it goes 5 points in the opposite direction and they end up losing £50.

2. They decide they need to make that £50 back but aren’t confident of how many points they can make. So they decide to up their stake to £20 a point and thus only need 3 points to be back in profit instead of 5 points at £10 a point to break even.

The price goes in the wrong direction again with a 10 point change losing them £200. So in 2 trades they’ve lost £250.

3. Ok, the next trade is a sure thing so they decide that if they stake for £250 a point they only need 1 point to break even. It’s a sure thing so they might even end up in profit.

But it goes 3 points in the wrong direction losing them £750 and they’ve just gone bust.

4. They decide that trading is for mugs and the best thing is to not trade at all.

Now take the numbered situations and replace for:

1. Let’s lockdown and see what direction the infection rates go
2. The first time didn’t go well because we didn’t lockdown hard enough. This time it needs to be tougher.
3. Now we’re all in with a third lockdown.
4. Despite all our efforts we still lost and the only option left is zero covid.

395082 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #833 of 1834 🔗

Yes a lot of this madness is due to sunk cost fallacy behaviour

395497 ▶▶ jos, replying to Nobody2021, #834 of 1834 🔗

Or none of the above – they knew what it would do and they knew how it would end up and they went ahead with it to trash our economy.

395050 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #835 of 1834 🔗

I know that someone earlier in the BTL comments today posted a link to a published article (?) providing details about the WHO’s advice that countries should reduce the PCR cycle rate to avoid false positives.

Being lazy, rather than trawling through all the comments again to find it, is anyone able to provide me with a link to this WHO guidance? I know lockdown advocates who, if I tell them about it, will claim I have made it up unless I can show them something definitive.
Thanks.

395113 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to norwegian, #837 of 1834 🔗

Thank you very much, norwegian.

395111 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Paulus, #839 of 1834 🔗

Thank you very much, Paulus.

395114 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #840 of 1834 🔗

I used the analogy to my mother last night, trying to explain to her how the PCR test results had been manipulated.

I likened it to a health inspector getting on his hands and knees in your living room with a magnifying glass, to identify a speck of dust and declaring the house dirty and unfit for habitation.

Taking the Ct cycles out to 40 and 45 is what that is doing in effect.

395611 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richy_m_99, #841 of 1834 🔗

Like that analogy. Not seeing the wood for the trees.

395123 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #842 of 1834 🔗

When questioned about this during a press conference by the journalist Boris Reitschuster, Drosten answered it was instructions to “less educated lab staff in poorer countries how to carry out a PCR test .”

Reitschuster is consistently asking during press conferences for the German governments response, only for the press people to shut him down that Drosten has answered.

395056 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #843 of 1834 🔗

I know there have been many comments today about the death of Captain Tom however having read the family statement, I thought there was a “hint” in it making it clear he only tested positive after being in hospital. Is it just a statement or am I reading too much into it (probably the latter I expect!)

Sadly his death will be used to enforce the narrative, the government have no shame and it would not even cross their mind it is an awful thing to do.

Wancock’s statement about not going out to buy food is an indirect connection to the death, the people in the areas with the teenage mutant ninja strain will have had wall to wall guilt laid upon them by the reporting of his death they will happily accept not going out even to buy food. I have not read, listened or watched any news since March only gleaning what is going on from LS or similar outlets, but I would not be surprised if today there is a move towards the military delivering food to those in the ninja strain areas, probably with test kits at the same time. If there is no kickback from those areas it will be wheeled out to the rest of the country.

395181 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #844 of 1834 🔗

I saw an inane twitter comment the other day along the lines of “I’m on day 10 of isolation now, I do feel a bit sorry for people who don’t have anyone to call upon to deliver food.” What, you mean you feel a bit sorry for them for having to starve?

395073 reason, replying to reason, 11, #845 of 1834 🔗

Hancock being roundly mocked in the comments section of the Daily Mail today but I have not yet managed to find a single comment in support of the youth who called Whitty a liar.

Perhaps a slight exaggeration but the unanimous verdict seems to be that he should be hung, drawn and quartered (the youth that is, not Whitty).

It is a very weird story.

395081 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to reason, 6, #846 of 1834 🔗

Bot work

395086 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to reason, 11, #847 of 1834 🔗

It’s being managed. I tried to troll them from a couple of different accounts (my job is very boring) and the comments were rejected.

395092 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to reason, 11, #848 of 1834 🔗

The comments have been moderated so that none in support of the guy have been allowed, that’s why.

Social media censorship at it’s finest.

395305 ▶▶ iansn, replying to reason, 2, #849 of 1834 🔗

I wrote to him,. Vaccine and Van Dam and called them all liars twice, they never denied it. So, obviously, they are

395093 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #850 of 1834 🔗

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the only way to protect the NHS and save lives is for everybody else to die as quickly as possible. This is the quickest end to the crisis.

395102 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #851 of 1834 🔗

Yep, die young and protect the NHS!

395131 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to norwegian, 1, #852 of 1834 🔗

BUT, LEAVE all your money to the NHS first!

395104 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 13, #853 of 1834 🔗

I must be one of the few people in this country who doesnt beleive in a STATE health service…or STATE education system….

I would privatise literally EVERYTHING

I want the STATE to get the hell out of my life

395122 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #854 of 1834 🔗

If we lived in a free market society, yes, absolutely, but with the current global kleptocracy hard at work, I could imagine 1000% increase on some standard prescription drugs, per the profiteering in the US (if all our healthcare went private – probably why the NHS is being taken apart tbh). And yet, I hate state intrusion too.

395193 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Luckyharry69, #855 of 1834 🔗

I agree.

395222 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #856 of 1834 🔗

I will join you in that philosophy. STATE Education is particularly damaging.

395175 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #857 of 1834 🔗

I know there are genuinely people who take advantage of NHS care when they don’t really need it, but one of the most disgusting things this country has done (and it was doing this pre-covid as well) is to make properly unwell people feel like they need to apologise for being a “burden” on state healthcare. I’ve seen many a frail old lady distraught at the thought that she is actually requiring care, apologising endlessly to the doctors and nurses. What’s the NHS there for if not that? Why are we contantly being given the message that to require medical care is tantamount to murder? I almost wish they would just sack off the whole idea and make us pay for it directly, at least then you wouldn’t have to feel like a massive disgusting inconvenience every time you happen to fall ill.

395095 CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #858 of 1834 🔗
395098 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #859 of 1834 🔗

Economic news – is the starting gun for the inevitable hyperinflation?

This week:

“Arrow Research has published “scale-busting” charts detailing Chinese purchases of American corn over the past week.

Over the past week a record breaking 5.8m tonnes of US corn has been purchased by China for the current marketing year adding fuel to the US corn rally.”

https://splash247.com/china-buys-scale-busting-record-volumes-of-american-corn/

A report from November:

“China is stockpiling every kind of commodity at a “mind-blowing” rate, with the country’s imports propping up an overall fall in trade volumes globally, bulk terminal operators and shippers were told last week at a virtual conference organised by the Association of Bulk Terminal Operators (ABTO).”

395107 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rockoman, 1, #860 of 1834 🔗

They have a lot of mouths to feed though, something like 300 million farmers but still not enough to go around.

395183 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #861 of 1834 🔗

Neo-CCP are lightweights
Mao Mao was quite happy to let them starve

395191 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, #862 of 1834 🔗

Yeah, it’s not real hardcore communism any more though. You could argue that the US is more communist these days, with its massive corporate welfare program, though our Murican cousins can’t stand to hear that sort of thing without getting peanuts in their beards and beer on their shirts…

395269 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to GrannySlayer, #863 of 1834 🔗

apparantly China has 50 million brand new empty homes built over the last few years?….not sure if that is true……

395117 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to stefarm, 2, #865 of 1834 🔗

He will stay for another 6 months and then will be executive chair.
Guess what, he wants to concentrate on his work for his foundation.

One of the organisations they support is grassroots community projects to protect the environment lead by black, indigenous, immigrant females.

395105 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 16, #866 of 1834 🔗

According to the BBC Boris is wanting us all to CLAP for Captain Tom tonight.

Loonies the whole bloody lot of them.

395115 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Just about sane, 6, #867 of 1834 🔗

you have to walk around the block 100 times first though?…..

395171 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #868 of 1834 🔗

yes after swabbing your ass 100 times and sniffing the swab for covid

395165 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Just about sane, 5, #869 of 1834 🔗

He can sod the f*ck off with that one.

395200 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Just about sane, 11, #870 of 1834 🔗

I find the whole clapping thing creepy. if its spontaneous then fair enough. but politicians encouraging us. its pure 1984

395218 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 3, #871 of 1834 🔗

Not far from the 2 minute hate is it.

395134 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #872 of 1834 🔗

Will someone please confirm the date and time of Uncle Tom’s clap

395138 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 5, #873 of 1834 🔗

Well, shortly after his return from the Bahamas – he must have had a good time out there!

395373 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to iane, 2, #874 of 1834 🔗

didn’t that piers fella go on holiday to the caribbean at xmas?

395156 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #875 of 1834 🔗

Uncle Tom’s clap

Didn’t have that as well, did he?

395159 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cecil B, 5, #876 of 1834 🔗

I don’t understand… does being 100 exempt you from being branded a covidiot for going to the Bahamas during a DEADLY PANDEMIC? That’s probably how he contracted pneumonia thus burdening the sainted NHS, and good on him for going obviously but the double standards are incredible.

395328 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cecil B, #877 of 1834 🔗

6pm tonight according to Talk Radio.

395144 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 20, #878 of 1834 🔗

I know other BTL posters have recommended watching Vernon Coleman’s latest podcast so I have done just that. I am not embarrassed to admit that I shed tears with that good and honourable man. His frustration is palpable. He needs to be reassured that he “is not alone”.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/doctors-and-nurses-giving-the-covid-19-vaccine-will-be-tried-as-war-criminals_7tNEBnZogbdlEXu.html

395161 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #879 of 1834 🔗

I got a bit emotional watching it too.

395285 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #880 of 1834 🔗

Christ, that was powerful. Thanks for posting the link.
Medics on here, are you aware of what is being said to inform patients before they give consent to the vaccine?

395339 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #881 of 1834 🔗

Wow!, I’m crying because my mum had this fucking vaccine on Sunday, For 11 months I was never ever scared about covid and my mum, now I’m petrified.

395393 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 5, #882 of 1834 🔗

I’ve just fired off an email to My Lammy (Mum’s MP) where I told him I will personnally hold him to account if anything happens to her. Sent him the link for which I’m sure his aware of.

395146 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 5, #883 of 1834 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55917374 this is how government policy is decided then on fiction. Perhaps they have really used 1984 as their guidance, BJ saw the Richard Burton version.

395160 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to p02099003, 4, #884 of 1834 🔗

Shame that Hancock hadn’t watched “I Am Legend”:

“Robert Neville, a scientist, is the last human survivor of a plague in the whole of New York. He attempts to find a way to reverse the effects of the man-made virus by using his own immune blood.”

This was a man-made virus made to cure cancer, but turned everyone into weird zombies instead….

395201 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to LMS2, 2, #885 of 1834 🔗

He obviously has been watching more intellectual films such as Harry Potter and the Philosophers stone, eternity for all is in his grasp.

395148 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 22, #886 of 1834 🔗

I wonder if this has been posted:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/03/chris-whitty-accused-liar-appalling-video

MPs have rallied around Chris Whitty after a video that appears to show England’s Chief Medical Officer being subjected to verbal abuse in the street.

The footage, which is undated, was taken at Westminster’s Strutton Ground market and uploaded to TikTok.

A young man holding the cameraphone can be heard repeatedly saying “you’re a liar”. Prof Whitty does not respond and puts on a face mask.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock branded the author “pathetic”.

Speaking to BBC Breakfast, Mr Hancock said: “I think the individual concerned is pathetic, I think it is ridiculous what he is doing.

“Chris Whitty is one of our greatest living scientists and his advice to the Government all the way through this, and his advice to all of us in the population, has been incredibly smart and thoughtful, and he is a great asset to this nation.

“The idea that someone would do something as silly as that is ridiculous.”

It is very interesting that this has been given air time and press space – what is the government scared of?

395153 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ozzie, 21, #887 of 1834 🔗

The government is scared of the public.

395155 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ozzie, 18, #888 of 1834 🔗

Greatest living scientist????!!!!

That’s Wancock a liar right there… What has Whitty actually done? Cured cancer? Discovered gravity? I think not.

395167 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #889 of 1834 🔗

Shitty is not even a practicing Medic. Never dirtied his hands with practical medicine. Yet he is CMO? WTF? He is not a scientist. Has invented nothing. No experiments, nothing built no IP. Zero. He is just another bald headed asshole who proclaims omniscience. Shitty is a clown.

395216 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to FerdIII, 8, #890 of 1834 🔗

He is a liar the kid was right.

395298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to nottingham69, 4, #891 of 1834 🔗

“Most people, a significant proportion of people, will not get this virus at all. at any point in the epidemic….” Prof Witty, 11 May 2020 Downing St briefing.

395197 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #892 of 1834 🔗

its completely delusional

395230 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 7, #893 of 1834 🔗

I’m beginning to think that Hancock is literally, certifiably, insanely psychopathic.

OK, not beginning. I’ve been thinking it from day 1.

395301 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #894 of 1834 🔗

Given wancock IQ shitty whitty looks like a genius!

395606 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, #895 of 1834 🔗

He’s cured blinking. That’s got to count for something.

395178 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ozzie, 13, #896 of 1834 🔗

“Chris Whitty is one of our greatest living scientists and his advice to the Government all the way through this, and his advice to all of us in the population, has been incredibly smart and thoughtful, and he is a great asset to this nation”

I find this quite a chilling statement, it really does show there is no attempt at any other point of view. Of course we knew this but the chances of Wancock ever saying anything Whitty has done is wrong is never going to happen, so whatever Whitty says goes.

395188 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Ozzie, 14, #897 of 1834 🔗

“Greatest living scientists”? – all I can say is “Fucking hell!”

395189 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Ozzie, 18, #898 of 1834 🔗

He is delusional. Greatest living scientist????? He is a public health doctor, he designs anti smoking posters and tells people not to eat so many chips.

395302 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to ituex, 2, #899 of 1834 🔗

He is not delusional – just simple stupid!

395202 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ozzie, 6, #900 of 1834 🔗

If the video is genuine, what the hell did he expect, a bloody trumpet fanfare as he proceeded down the street …

395210 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to kh1485, 3, #901 of 1834 🔗

Probably yes!

395481 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to kh1485, 2, #902 of 1834 🔗

It’s fake for sure and the point of it is to stir up the general public against the brave few who might dare to speak out in future – the fakery of him walking without a mask and in shirt sleeves (in freezing cold weather) like in the briefings so that we can verify it’s him then putting the mask on to queue – it’s a warning not to think we can even get away with a verbal insult against the people keeping us prisoners.

395225 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ozzie, 11, #903 of 1834 🔗

This is interesting. I suspect it is just the beginning of public confrontations between members of this shit-awful, lying, incompetent government and its advisers and the unwashed masses. The government might realise that future confrontations will involve more than a few ‘harsh’ words and I suspect that bodyguards will soon be required.

395370 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #904 of 1834 🔗

i’m surprised witless he didn’t have personal security officers to be honest. A central figure in this shitshow he and his cohort have pissed off a lot of people!!

395407 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ozzie, 5, #905 of 1834 🔗

”Chris Whitty is one of our greatest living scientists and his advice to the Government all the way through this, and his advice to all of us in the population, has been incredibly smart and thoughtful, and he is a great asset to this nation.”

”One of our greatest living scientists” my foot. And this is said by one of our greatest living dimwits, a Health Secretary with no medical or scientific qualifications or experience, and who has an economics degree. To him, no doubt, anyone with ”science” on their CV is ”a great scientist”. How utterly pathetic this Hancock dolt is.

395149 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #906 of 1834 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55917793

Covid: New Oxford vaccine ready by the autumn to tackle mutations

“And then there’s manufacturing to do and then a small scale study. So all of that can be completed in a very short period of time, and the autumn is really the timing for having new vaccines available for use,” he said.

Round and round and round it goes; all just in time for next winter’s lockdowns.

395212 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 5, #907 of 1834 🔗

Yes of course by next autumn there won’t be any more mutations… what could go wrong?

395282 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 5, #908 of 1834 🔗

And STILL people are saying that the vaccine will return us to normal.
Don’t they read ANYTHING?

395299 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ceriain, 5, #909 of 1834 🔗

New vaccinations required every 6 months or so. Unlimited profits for Big Pharma.

395589 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Chicot, #910 of 1834 🔗

Richard said exactly that at the start of last year.

395591 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jaguarpig, #911 of 1834 🔗

Richard D Hall

395150 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #912 of 1834 🔗

The BBC are calling for Aung San Suu Kyi to be released
Hang on! Fairs fair. First in first out

I’ve been banged up since last March.

Shouldn’t I be released first?

395163 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cecil B, 7, #913 of 1834 🔗

Shouldn’t the BBC be more concerned for fellow journalist Julian Assange.?

Ten Years – a lot of it solitary.

395184 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to rockoman, 3, #914 of 1834 🔗

Where does the word ‘fellow’ apply ?

395190 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Binra, 3, #915 of 1834 🔗

You are, of course, correct.

I had to stretch the meaning of the word to make the point.

395172 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 10, #916 of 1834 🔗

They were screaming for her to be banged up a year ago for deporting all the Bangladeshi terrorists (rebranded as Rohingya)

Make your mind up shitLibs

395174 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 3, #917 of 1834 🔗

Anyway, being locked up is the best way to deal with Leftie-favourite, but utterly corrupt individuals like Suu Kyi!

395187 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cecil B, 6, #918 of 1834 🔗

The BBC have to be rather careful showing footage from Myanmar and many other places.

Although a great deal of symbolic mask-wearing is evident, many aren’t wearing them. There is no anti-social distancing and it’s pretty damned obvious that there is no lockdown in place,

People might just begin to wonder why they don’t need to do those things in Myanmar.

Don’t their hospitals need protecting?

395385 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to rockoman, 3, #919 of 1834 🔗

I have friends in Mandalay. An attempt at lockdown has largely failed as the police cannot or will not enforce it. My understanding is that there is little testing (at first swabs) were sent to Bangkok for testing) and very few excess deaths. Thailand has apparently fared even better, though there is more testing. Most Burmese can not afford hospitals!

395584 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to rockoman, #920 of 1834 🔗

Burma

395157 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 32, #921 of 1834 🔗

Let me be clear. I respect my elders, and I respect their contributions to our society. In the case of our war veterans and heroes, I could not adequately articulate the sheer respect and admiration I have for them. I salute Captain Sir Tom Moore, and his service demands my respect and admiration.

What troubles me deeply is that this dear old man’s good (and I believe utterly misguided) efforts have been used and abused by a corrupt and rotting establishment that couldn’t jump on this golden, once in a lifetime opportunity fast enough. Politicians and media types couldn’t believe their luck. This had it all: The frail old war hero fighting his last battle against a deadly virus, defying the odds to muster all he had to walk around his garden and help towards saving our dear, beloved NHS. Depressingly and predictably, the gormless British public lapped it up. It was, and will remain, utterly sickening. It is a shameful stain on our country and society.

The £33m Captain Sir Tom Moore raised for the bloated NHS was a slap in the face for all those struggling and suffering because of this regime and its evil diktats. The NHS doesn’t have a finance problem; it has an *efficiency* problem. This is a long-standing and well known truth. Only the ignorant and the ideologues ignore this truth.

I pray that Captain Sir Tom Moore will eventually be remembered by all for what he truly achieved in his life.

395166 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #922 of 1834 🔗

He didn’t raise money for the NHS. He raised it for charities associated with the NHS.

395179 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #923 of 1834 🔗

Was that the B and M Gates foundation?

395180 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #924 of 1834 🔗

Did he realise that?

395220 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silke David, #925 of 1834 🔗

I don’t know. But I suspect not. He didn’t appear to have been paying attention.

395228 ▶▶▶ R G, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #926 of 1834 🔗

True, but most people think it went towards ventilators and beds rather than pizzas and iPads. Wouldn’t be surprised if the family creamed a million or two off the top.

395283 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #927 of 1834 🔗

Indeed. Thank you for pulling me up on that. Though the NHS and NHS Charities Together are not inextricably linked, they are not entirely separate either, and the terms are often used interchangeably. I made that mistake.

What concerns me is the suggestion that without money from the likes of Captain Sir Tom Moore, bog-standard things such ‘snacks for staff’, ‘pop-up shops’, ‘space[s] to relax’ and ‘tea breaks’ wouldn’t be available to NHS staff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52758683

It smacks of utter bollocks and it all stinks to high heaven. NHS Charities Together is rolling in it, and all they can think of is spaces/refreshments for staff, which apparently wouldn’t otherwise exist? The NHS is an *employer* and thus must provide such things as comfortable staff rooms and refreshment facilities. And if NHS staff cannot afford a can of coke then they need help managing their wages.

395198 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #928 of 1834 🔗

Wish I could uptick more than once. A brilliant summation.

395214 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #929 of 1834 🔗

Yes his service demands my full respect, not what was done last year. I would like this rancid media to focus on more of the diminishing numbers of WW 2 veterans. It won’t be long before they are extinct but that won’t fit the agenda.

395224 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #930 of 1834 🔗

I believe all the money raised was channeled through a company owned by his daughter and son-in-law, who apparently took a very hefty “fee” off the top.

395245 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to StevieH, 3, #931 of 1834 🔗

I understood it all went to NHS Charities Together, via JustGiving or some such fundraising website. Surely people weren’t giving cash to some randoms?

I’ve tried to find out what NHS Charities Together have spent his – and others’ – fundraising cash on. So far, I’ve found water for hot nurses; a pop-up nurses cafe somewhere or other; and some lockers for nurses to keep personal stuff in. Not a very good return for in excess of £30 million.

On the plus, they have recruited Mr Jordan Henderson as an ambassador. I hope he knows what he’s getting in to.

395602 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Suet, 2, #932 of 1834 🔗

Hot nurses eh? Tell me more.

395754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #933 of 1834 🔗

Lol; I had exactly the same query from him indoors.

395573 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to StevieH, 1, #934 of 1834 🔗

Yep, plus big fat book deal.

395168 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 22, #935 of 1834 🔗

A little observation.

Had a MS Teams meeting today with my team.

They are all fed up and I think it’s safe to say they really are hoping the big V is going to save them and grant them freedom. I keep schtum nowadays.

I honestly think if things do not pan out as they think I forsee some major mental health issues and breakdowns happening.

395176 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 13, #936 of 1834 🔗

Good
They are collaborators and deserve to suffer
sorry and all

395182 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 12, #937 of 1834 🔗

It seems that it is the only way they will learn.

395253 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #938 of 1834 🔗

They are not collaborators,they are victims just the same as us.We will need their anger when they realise that vaccination doesn’t lead to freedom.

395287 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #939 of 1834 🔗

They most certainly are
I wasn’t suggesting stringing them up ( as they would do to us if they could get away with it )
but they deserve no sympathy

395177 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stefarm, 3, #940 of 1834 🔗

What you need to do is stay sane and climb higher as the lemmings jump off and leave vacancies.

395205 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 2, #941 of 1834 🔗

I hope instead they get angry, with the govt

395280 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stefarm, 6, #942 of 1834 🔗

I am horrified and depressed by the number of my well-read and usually critical-thinking friends who are saying ”Can’t wait for all the vaccines to be done, so that we can get back to normal….” It is so utterly pathetic that they just haven’t cottoned on.
Didn’t MPs themselves said nothing would get back to normal because of the vaccine and rules would remain? (Though they didn’t say WHICH rules). Did most people just ignore that bit of information?
I’d give anything for them to be proved to be right.

395421 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stefarm, 4, #943 of 1834 🔗

Agreed. That story about POW camp survivors and how the optimistic did not survive as hope after hope was dashed is a useful comparison for these times.

https://medium.com/@sharonackman/soldiers-with-this-trait-are-survivors-in-war-and-life-2b7c6ad34afb

395596 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stefarm, #944 of 1834 🔗

One one I was on today a manager proudly announced they were going for a jab tomorrow. I was tempted to ask which one. They said they would be back in later tomorrow but I was thinking no you might be off sick for the entire day. AZ can give you a pretty bad headache.

395170 Binra, 5, #945 of 1834 🔗

Sputnik is a tweak of a relatively known entity in terms of it damage. Also an escape from WHO imposed inoculation by vectors of an intent to undermine the ‘regime’ that is in some ways NOT aligning to global stakeholder fronting monopolism – or so it would seem.
Most of what is being ‘argued’ in the article is not science or reason but Pharma turf wars that also have geopolitical dimensions – along with the ‘medical’ tyranny of a perpetual war model disease model for health. Follow the Science Money!
The trials of the new so called vaccines many of which are NOT really entitled to the same name and association as they are being given my media and KOL PR, are live human experimentation. There is no other term that fits.
In the good of Nuclear Fear days, a friend of mine had a badge that ran the slogan “Mutate Now – Avoid the Rush!”
Lies will shift and squirm and change into ANYTHING rather than allow disclosure to a true account and invested identity in them is a narrative or mind capture at a level which rational thinking cannot conceive, because it is part of the device of self-justified concealment.
Truth holds intuitive recognition in the heart of wholeness – that can be tangibly felt in our bones, our gut, our chest or head. Invested illusions protected against truth, are dissonant and disturbing to hold and so the capacity to persist in them is the development of ways to immunise a split off awareness against the Messengers of Truth. One means of which is to demonise them and define them as sickness or evil and calling for eradication. THAT our mind can choose to accept this is self-evident. Do we truly WANT this is a real question that calls on truth for a real answer.

https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/illusion-seeks-immunity-against-true.html

395192 guy153, replying to guy153, 12, #946 of 1834 🔗

OK this was more out in the open than I realized.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

This paper from 2015 describes, as well as some “pseudotyping” (which is relatively safe) the creation of full-length coronavirus chimeras with infectious DNA clone technology and used on mice (which is not safe at all). I think this happened in North Carolina before the US moratorium on gain-of-function research (after which this research very likely moved to Wuhan).

Amusing note on the front:

Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered.

Damn right it is!

It’s not proof of lab origin of SARS-CoV-2 but the fact that this kind of research was taking place at all does greatly increase the likelihood of a lab origin.

There are some interesting findings in that paper. They found that a bat virus that couldn’t infect mice could if you transferred its spike, without modification, onto another one that could. This implies there may be several natural bat viruses around whose spikes could already infect humans if a few other bits of the virus got swapped around (in a bat co-infected with a couple of viruses). Another possible origin however is just a small random mutation in the spike of an existing virus, not involving recombination with any other viruses.

Another interesting and rather concerning finding was that when they tried vaccinating the mice with an inactivated whole virus SARS1 vaccine and then infecting them with the new chimera, the more elderly mice got vaccine-enhanced disease (just as if they had been infected with SARS1).

Vaccine-enhanced disease was a big problem for all attempts at SARS1 vaccines and most MERS attempts. Nobody really understood exactly why it happened although there are some theories.

Nobody understood either why it didn’t happen for SARS2. Basically everyone just cooked up a vaccine, gave it to a few monkeys, infected them with the actual virus, and were pleasantly surprised to find that they were fine. This seems to have been the case for all the SARS2 vaccines, even the inactivated whole virus ones which had the worst problems for SARS1 and MERS. We then went to phase 3 trials on humans and now we’re jabbing actual old people continuously.

But how sure can we be that having had the vaccine won’t cause enhanced disease from a new related virus in the future? Or even from a mutated strain of SARS-CoV-2? And then there’s the whole question of mutated vaccines… they’re going to update them every year or so but I don’t think these updates are going to require full phase 3 trials (which we don’t do for flu vaccines).

But it seems to me this whole issue of whether you get vaccine-enhanced disease or not depends on small and unknown details of what you were vaccinated with and what you get infected with. So showing that a vaccine based on Wuhan-Hu-1 doesn’t enhance whatever is circulating in Autumn 2020 is great but doesn’t really mean we’re out of the woods.

395279 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to guy153, 1, #947 of 1834 🔗

Hmmmm I’m not convinced of the lab flu thing but am open to it
I still don’t think SARS cov1 magically disappeared in 2005 as it was highly contagious
Just became a cold that went round the world and nobody noticed (just like #2)
Would explain why so many have mild/non symptoms

395329 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #948 of 1834 🔗

I think we would know if SARS1 was endemic though, because we’d find it cropping up every now and then and we can test for it with the PCR test (yes yes I know I know but it’s actually a good test if used and done properly).

395207 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #949 of 1834 🔗

About the poor lady who got thrown out of Tesco’s in Hungerford that was featured in todays UK Column. The story is here:
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/33554/disabled-hungerford-woman-threatens-to-sue-tesco-following-store-ban-over-coronavirus-face-mask-row.html

Have a look at these comments on the Newbury Today web site.

Normally nobody ever post on their stupid site. Literally nobody cares. Look at every other story they have and I can safely say you will probably not see any other comments under any other stories for weeks. Now look at these two replies.

They are pure 77th.
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garden_gnome

02/02/2021 – 15:53

As far as I am aware, a mask is not going to prevent any oxygen getting to your lungs, so I’m not sure why a medical breathing issue would prevent you from wearing a simple surgical mask. If you really insist that you cant wear one, why not wear a face shield? Although not nearly as effective, at least it shows you are willing to make an effort to protect others. Having a medical issue does not mean others have to put themselves at risk.

berkshireboy71

02/02/2021 – 17:15

I am epileptic and have asthma and suffer from ptsd, bpcd, and other mental health problems But I wear a mask and it does not couse me to have breathing issues when wearing a mask.I rather wear one to try and stop getting COVID-19 from people who don’t wear a mask. Or wear one under their nose and over their nose I put mine on before I enter the store or when I get out of my girlfriends car. Suck it up wear a mask full stop

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Bastards

395231 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Two-Six, 6, #950 of 1834 🔗

The first reply I must have seen 1000 times. My reply is neither garment protects you at all so why wear either.

395293 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 8, #951 of 1834 🔗

Oh dear. It really gets you down when you realise the low level of intelligence out there. It’s not even a case of people disagreeing – let them, if they can formulate their argument and back it up. But THIS?
Perhaps all this has allowed us to see just how ill-informed and badly educated the vast majority of people are.

395337 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Two-Six, 5, #952 of 1834 🔗

Try putting any piece of cloth to your mouth and breathe through it quickly and then slowly. The harder you breathe the more resistance experienced through the material. This is a simple fact.

Given enough time your body may adjust but it’s plain wrong to suggest it has no effect on breathing.

395424 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 1, #953 of 1834 🔗

The maskochists will use any disingenuous means to protect their Neo sharia
It is all they have in their empty lives

395490 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Two-Six, 1, #954 of 1834 🔗

Hey berkshireboy71, here’s a right hook. Suck that up.

395209 nickbowes, 1, #955 of 1834 🔗

Don t jump any queues and don t hide that excitement, arms out and get Bill`s medicine !

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk

395217 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 20, #956 of 1834 🔗

MIL had the Pfizer jab today. My experience – you can’t dissuade terrified oldies who are convinced that a) they’re going to 100% die if they get COVID and b) all freedoms will be returned post jab.

I’ve had her and her partner on vit D, vit C, B vitamins and advised about zinc etc since the very beginning. I was sending them the more accessible stuff like Dr Kendrick’s blog, and links that were slanted towards boosting immunity, positive stuff. They’ve been perfectly fine health wise and were even slightly sceptical. Her partner had a minor op and managed not to catch Covid in hospital, something of a miracle.

But project fear got them this winter, I couldn’t prise them away from the BBC, the rolling death stats, despite my reasoning – numbers with no context, any old death within 28 days, no recovery stats etc.

I’ve advised her to completely shield for a week or so and pile in the vit D, having watched the UK Column update. What more can you do? The saddest thing she said was she would have preferred the AZ one but they gave her the Pfizer one, “I suppose one can’t be fussy”. It just burns me. It’s called informed consent ffs. You choose what is and isn’t injected into you.

395233 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #957 of 1834 🔗

I told my folks pretty much the same thing. If there was any time to wear a FN and avoid people its two weeks after the frenken jab.

395277 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Two-Six, #958 of 1834 🔗

Exactly.

395249 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #959 of 1834 🔗

My MIL, although only 68 and in good health, had the Pfizer one on Saturday. Couldn’t wait long enough to get it from her G.P, then booked it online when she heard it advertised that over 65s could get it in some tent 12 miles away.

395275 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #960 of 1834 🔗

And who knows what else they’ll get in that tent, having spent almost a year hiding from essential bug exposure.

395308 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #961 of 1834 🔗

Looking at the NHS’s own website page about the vaccine (weasel words) I see that they say (my bold and italics)

”So far, millions of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions, have been very rare. No long-term complications have been reported.”

How many people actually report not feeling too good, or even feeling very ill, once they recover? And what is meant by ”long term complications” for something that’s only just being rolled out?

(I know at least four oldies who have felt pretty rotten for several days, but who wouldn’t dream of going back to their doctor, seeming to accept that it was the vaccine that caused it.)

Just read the page and then ask yourself if you’ve learned enough to give ”informed consent”.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

395365 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Banjones, 3, #962 of 1834 🔗

Any coronavirus vaccine that is approved must go through all the clinical trials and safety checks all other licensed medicines go through. The MHRA follows international standards of safety.” It’s just an outright lie; they’re not licensed medicines, they’re forced through with emergency powers based on prelim data. I don’t see them rushing to force through Ivermectin in the same manner, only a large scale gold standard RCT will do for that, no matter all the people who will die needlessly in the meantime.

395402 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #963 of 1834 🔗

And as another poster pointed out yesterday, if there was a good treatment available these “vaccines” would never have been authorized for emergency use. So there was a very good reason to cast doubt on HCQ + zinc and Ivermectin. Had they been in use for the last year the IFR would have been even lower than it already is and there would never have been a need for a “vaccine.” Now the medical bodies are backtracking on HCQ and Ivermectin and some patients are being properly treated, but the “vaccine” rollout is now well underway and they’ve created the demand and cast doubt on long-term immunity even once you’ve had the virus.

395223 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 31, #964 of 1834 🔗

Sorry, but I literally cannot believe that Hancock is now telling people not to provide fresh fruit and vegetables for themselves and their children. And this is supposed to be health advice? How is this not causing outrage and disgust? Has there been any sort of reaction from anyone in the media or elsewhere in government?

There is only one step further that they can take, to seal off whole streets and towns with no one allowed to leave for any reason, food or medical. How are people not utterly terrified by this prospect?!

So many things have been unbelievable during the last year, but this one surely is the worst.

395226 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to A. Contrarian, #965 of 1834 🔗

He hasn’t said that surely?

395246 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to GrannySlayer, 12, #967 of 1834 🔗

I can’t find the words to convey my feelings for this authoritarian b******

395250 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #968 of 1834 🔗

PHE says 143 people have now been struck down with variant since December

Struck down?!

395256 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 4, #969 of 1834 🔗

Struck down…….in a blaze of glory

395342 ▶▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Ceriain, #970 of 1834 🔗

Struck down sounds a bit biblical.

395316 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nottingham69, #971 of 1834 🔗

He certainly has.

395232 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #972 of 1834 🔗

I know I was thinking this exactly, but the media won’t be outraged by it because it’s back to the usual, conditioned narrative of ‘it could save lives’.

395243 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #973 of 1834 🔗

To be fair fruit+vegetables are the biggest ruse ever pulled on humanity
You only need a tiny amount – why do you think everyone is dropping from a cold?
Keto all the way for a healthy immune system

395265 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #974 of 1834 🔗

Yep, the five a day thing was a marketing ploy.

395335 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Crystal Decanter, #975 of 1834 🔗

No-one is dropping from a cold though. And good luck running the length of yourself on a keto diet.

395551 ▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #976 of 1834 🔗

Keto’s great, but you don’t even need to do that to lose weight and feel better. A low-carb diet works, and starts working very quickly, as I can testify from personal experience. I am in my 60s and had been overweight – not fat, but 14st when I should be 12st 7lb – for about thirty years, until my wife and I copied our son, who had been fat but was now slim, and went low-carb. During lockdown I’ve been ordering slim-fit trousers for the first time this century.

395255 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #977 of 1834 🔗

WHAT?? This is madness – is he now supporting processed foods by big business?

395261 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #978 of 1834 🔗

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

395290 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #979 of 1834 🔗

Eat everything you’ve got at home and then what? Starve to death.

395297 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #980 of 1834 🔗

Would it be correct to describe him as an ignorant, arrogant, disgusting and deeply unattractive little oik?

395314 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, 1, #981 of 1834 🔗

Correct, but doesn’t go far enough.

395612 ▶▶ DomW, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #982 of 1834 🔗

I’m in one of the “surge testing!?” areas and just leaving for Sainsburys right now 🙂

395235 LMS2, 1, #983 of 1834 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kEguZeCg6r8
Ivor Cummings: Important: High Level View of Viral Epidemic Mortality – and Key Patterns

Posted about 30 minutes ago.

395236 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 15, #984 of 1834 🔗

The daily wail healine is saying ssor Tom DEFINITELY didn’t get covid travelling he got in hospital. What kind of back to front madness is this. So the NHS killed him and travelling is fine?

395239 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Niborxof, 2, #985 of 1834 🔗

Oh the irony!

395242 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Niborxof, #986 of 1834 🔗

Yup.

Though he might have got pneumonia from travelling. Hard to tell. It might just be a coincidence and it was his time.

395387 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to LMS2, 2, #987 of 1834 🔗

Travelling with a mask on?

395390 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rose, 2, #988 of 1834 🔗

Yes, that’s one way to get bacterial pneumonia.

395267 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Niborxof, 3, #989 of 1834 🔗

I know and yet travelling is now illegal but we have to bow down for our saviour NHS.

395237 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 6, #990 of 1834 🔗

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/thousands-covid-vaccine-injuries-13-deaths-reported-december/
Tip of the Iceberg? Thousands of COVID Vaccine Injuries and 13 U.S. Deaths Reported in December Alone
In December, 3,916 COVID vaccine-related adverse events, including 13 deaths, were reported to VAERS. As more adverse events — ranging from life-threatening anaphylaxis to death — occur, it will be tougher to “sell” the experimental injections.

395252 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to LMS2, #991 of 1834 🔗

Great info.

Many death and reactions are not reported, so these numbers should be much higher

395352 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Victoria, 1, #992 of 1834 🔗

yes the VAERS reporting system in USA is voluntary so is a small proportion of the total adverse reactions.

395238 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #993 of 1834 🔗

And it begins… From our very own Conservative govt.

We want to end the transmission of HIV by 2030. With the lowest rates of transmission in decades & one of the best track records for treatment in the world, we are making progress but more of us need to take a test. Give HIV the finger. Visit http://freetesting.hiv

395254 ▶▶ leggy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #994 of 1834 🔗

Posted this earlier. I’m beginning to think we’ll all have to be regularly tested for everything forever more:

395258 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 5, #995 of 1834 🔗

But they’ve been doing this in various guises for a while: testing healthy people who have no symptoms for something they ‘may’ have … And the false/positive diagnosis problem has been an issue with other mass screenings.

395266 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, 3, #996 of 1834 🔗

I love people who yap about bodily autonomy but also embrace the concept of public health.

395281 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AidanR, 4, #997 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps reading your comment wrong (apologies if so), I’m not embracing it – I hate the idea of being tested for something I probably don’t have. I’m just saying that they’ve been buttering up the public for this kind of thing for many years. I refuse every single screening I am invited to.

395428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, 1, #998 of 1834 🔗

I wasn’t meaning you 🙂

395458 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AidanR, #999 of 1834 🔗

As I say, apologies, wasn’t sure …

395295 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, #1000 of 1834 🔗

I guess I’ve never been exposed to that until now unless the doc has been trying to find the cause of a symptom. Not just arbitrary screening.

395312 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leggy, 1, #1001 of 1834 🔗

In my experience mostly doctors are unwilling to test for things even if you have the symptoms and think it’s likely that you have it…

395332 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 2, #1002 of 1834 🔗

I get invited to several screenings – I ignore them all.

395383 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to leggy, 1, #1003 of 1834 🔗

Perhaps everyone who has had the Wuhan virus will test positive for HIV. Isn’t it supposed have had a HIV protein spike stuck on it in the lab?? I can’t find anything about this on the internet apart from people saying it’s a co spinach theory.

395388 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, #1004 of 1834 🔗

Conspiracy theory

395397 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to rose, 1, #1005 of 1834 🔗

“Small amounts of HIV protein” added to vaccine used in Australian covid19 vaccine trials. Trials subsequently stopped.

https://www.dw.com/en/australia-ends-local-covid-vaccine-trials-due-to-hiv-false-positives/a-55900847

395240 C S, replying to C S, 16, #1007 of 1834 🔗

“enjoy the rest of the week off and remember to stay safe”. This was how the head of our school trust signed off the latest monthly newsletter to all staff at the school where I am a governor. What an odd thing to say…almost like saying “remember to not cross the road in front of a truck” or “remember to not venture outside in case you bump into someone else and catch a deadly virus”. No words

395257 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to C S, 7, #1008 of 1834 🔗

Infuriating isn’t it. When somebody says it on a work call or puts it on an email I want to reply with fuck off.

395260 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hubes, 4, #1009 of 1834 🔗

I think we have to start doing that

395294 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hubes, 4, #1010 of 1834 🔗

‘Stay sane.’

395273 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to C S, 6, #1011 of 1834 🔗

I’ve just taken up a role as a governor at a school, and I received the NGA’s first email a few days ago. It included a couple of reports from Ofsted confirming how devastating closing schools has been on children, and disproportionately on vulnerable and poor children.

Just when I think I can’t get more angry and disgusted at the whole situation, something comes along to do it.

395247 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 12, #1012 of 1834 🔗

Got a lump or chest pains? Stay home. Save lives.

395331 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Hubes, 4, #1013 of 1834 🔗

Left arm gone numb? Only leave the house to get tested and only if you have a cough.

395364 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Hubes, 6, #1014 of 1834 🔗

Die at home. Protect the NHS. Save other people’s lives.

395262 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1015 of 1834 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9218821/If-food-house-use-Hancock-warns-people-South-African-Covid-areas.html

Handjob: “Don’t leave your homes, OR YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!”
Meanwhile, IN South Africa:

395381 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1016 of 1834 🔗

… beaches are open

395384 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1017 of 1834 🔗

Reminds me of a BTL comment I read on the DM yesterday or the day before, and it wasn’t being sarcastic. It received dozens of up ticks and very few down ticks:

Masks must be mandatory, vaccines must be mandatory or these people are going to kill us all, twats.

Perhaps it was Hancock!

395271 Will, replying to Will, 1, #1018 of 1834 🔗

Can anyone on twatter reveal what jHB has said in relation to Sweden

395276 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #1019 of 1834 🔗

Recently?

You can look at her timeline in a web browser without having an account

395278 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 12, #1020 of 1834 🔗

Good afternoon,

Has anyone else had the misfortune to see this bilge? Words simply fail me.

So it’s all our fault then. If we would just shut up and get on board with Lockdown, then all the mental anguish we are causing would cease.

Best regards

Simon

Using ‘mental health’ as an anti-lockdown argument is unhelpful – it stops people getting the support they need

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/editorpicks/using-e2-80-98mental-health-e2-80-99-as-an-anti-lockdown-argument-is-unhelpful-e2-80-93-it-stops-people-getting-the-support-they-need/ar-BB1djIS7

395291 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to SimonCook, 12, #1021 of 1834 🔗

Lol… I’m not clicking that – the text in the link was enough to boil my piss.

Welcome to upside-down world.

395317 ▶▶ Julian, replying to SimonCook, 12, #1022 of 1834 🔗

Sounds very similar to the piece by India Knight that we should not tell children lockdowns are harmful because they are “resilient”

And these bastards think they have the moral high ground?

Justifying abuse, make the abused person feel it’s their fault

395326 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to SimonCook, 11, #1023 of 1834 🔗

This is absolutely classic abuser behaviour.

395341 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mattghg, 5, #1024 of 1834 🔗

Precisely.

“Beating you hurts me far more.”

395286 davews, replying to davews, 8, #1025 of 1834 🔗

Yesterday on my afternoon walk was chatting to my window cleaning friend and he said a friend of his and his wife had had the jabs. He had the Pfizer and no problems. His wife had the AZ and had big side effects. Today had a short chat with another chap who said his wife had had it (not sure which) and felt awful for a few days. One of the other blogs I visit, https://nttl.blog/ , has a few who have had it and side effects seem quite common. The number I know having side effects is almost as high as those who have had the virus. There are very real issues and the media must deliberately be trying to cover it up.

395325 ▶▶ jb12, replying to davews, 13, #1026 of 1834 🔗

Get vaccinated and get symptoms so you can ‘protect’ yourself from getting a virus that gives most people no or few symptoms – the public are all just a bit thick.

395423 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to davews, 2, #1027 of 1834 🔗

The NHS tells people to ”report” it so that there will be a yellow card record. But how many people just feel ill, then, glad to recover, don’t ”bother” their doctor?
And they therefore say that there are ”few reports” of side effects.
The whole scenario has been so cunningly devised, SAG(E) must have been working long nights in order to knit together all this manipulation, coercion and lying.

395488 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Banjones, 1, #1028 of 1834 🔗

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/devices/?type=mop anyone can report adverse effects.

395288 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 26, #1029 of 1834 🔗

When Gibraltar rolled out its vaccine programme there followed a spike in deaths. The correlation was too obvious to be ignored. So the Gibraltar authorities issued a statement claiming that there was no evidence that the deaths were caused by the vaccine. The so called fact-checkers got to work and asserted that there was no link between the deaths and the vaccine, citing the Gibratar authorities as proof. On the basis of the fact-checkers’ assertions, Facebook has flagged posts linking the vaccine roll out with the spike in deaths as false information. Google decided to help out and if one uses the search engine to look for information on the issue, its top results all push the line that the link between the vaccine and deaths is false. What a neat circle.

395292 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1030 of 1834 🔗

Your chain of evidence looks faultless to me.Ought to be a noose.

395318 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1031 of 1834 🔗

The numbers are the numbers are the numbers.

395349 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1032 of 1834 🔗

Wikipedia has used a similar circular logic for years, I’ve noticed in several true crime cases that I have read about and followed for a while.. more than once they refused and/or removed links and citations to official court evidence & exhibits, yet accepted as gospel links and ‘evidence’ promoted by bloggers who cited their own quotes as a source; on the grounds said bloggers were verified by someone in the media.

395362 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1033 of 1834 🔗

Goolag is the enemy and has been for a while
Can’t wait for Gab to release their phone with all the alphabet guff stripped out

395374 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1034 of 1834 🔗

All authorities around the world will deny any link between the vaccine and deaths/disabilities. Massive cover ups.

395410 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 4, #1035 of 1834 🔗

Norway has acknowledged the vaccine has caused deaths. When twenty-three people died after being vaccinated, the authorities investigated. The preliminary conclusion was that thirteen were the result of the vaccine’s side effects, and the rest were still under investigation. However, days later the narrative changed to the people who had died were old and frail and the number of deaths was in line with expectations, which coincidentally had been Pfizer’s immediate response to the reported deaths.

395985 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #1036 of 1834 🔗

Bismarck:: “Never believe anything until it has been officially denied”

395289 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #1037 of 1834 🔗

The 77th and their desperate “good luck going abroad again” to those waking up to fact that the vaccines are experimental and still in trial phase… Matty’s whining of “but it’s still really really scary and you can’t even go out for food now!!” BBC losing will to shut out overwhelming evidence of lockdown abuses…

All reminding me of the wicked witch in Wizard of Oz scene… “I’m melting! I’m melting!”

Can we dance in Trafalgar Square fountains soon?

395306 ▶▶ Will, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1038 of 1834 🔗

You forgot to mention Sweden…

395414 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Will, 1, #1039 of 1834 🔗

Yes, the dancing is before the day we ALL move to Sweden!

395449 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1040 of 1834 🔗

“I’ll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too.”

395456 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1041 of 1834 🔗

Just spoke to a friend who says she heard that an acquaintance’s son works for an airline flying to/from India from/to UK, and that all the flights are full.
Who knew there were so many business people who can’t possibly do their work online?

(I’m glad that there are flights, of course, and that people are travelling – but I WANT IT TO BE ALL OF US not just the privileged few.)

395467 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Banjones, #1042 of 1834 🔗

Go on flightradar24.com

The skies are packed with aircraft.

395296 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1043 of 1834 🔗

ONS antibody publication now out
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey: antibody data for the UK: 3 February 2021

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyantibodydatafortheuk3february2021

Very strange report indeed. It makes reference to the very high prevalence of antibodies in the over 80s (see the attached chart for England) but makes only a vague reference to vaccination.

It looks like the high percentage in the over 80s is because many over 80s have been experimentally vaccinated and produced antibodies because of the response to the experimental vaccine, but this isn’t really mentioned directly in the report.

395303 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1044 of 1834 🔗

Aren’t the vaccines meant to produce antibodies in recipients?

395392 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #1045 of 1834 🔗

They are, which is the reason for the high antibody prevalence in the over 80s. It’s just not discussed in the report, just this indirect comment

While there were 25.7% of people aged 80 years and over testing positive for antibodies, this figure relates to the community population who live in private households. Therefore, people in the age group who live in establishments such as care homes are not included in this survey. Since this group was the priority for receiving vaccinations, the true figure among those aged 80 years and over in the population may be different. An estimated 90% of people aged 80 years and over live in private households and 10% live in other establishments such as care homes.

395417 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1046 of 1834 🔗

And here’s the antibody prevalence by English region over time based on the 28 day periods centred on 25/05/2020, 22/06/2020, 20/07/2020, 17/08/2020, 14/09/2020, 12/10/2020, 09/11/2020, 07/12/2020, 04/01/2021.

Can’t see any regional graph over time in the publication so have produced it from the data.

(Notes:
Antibody prevalence and % who have encountered the virus are different things.
The last data point for 4th January 2021 will include significant numbers from those with antibodies from vaccination as well as antibodies from natural infection)

395432 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #1047 of 1834 🔗

In comparison to the English regions

Wales currently 11.2%
Scotland currently 10.1%
Northern Ireland currently 9.2%

395307 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1048 of 1834 🔗

Oh god there is now a petition to hold a state funeral for Captain Tom! Kill me now.

395315 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1049 of 1834 🔗

Disagree.

The more ridiculous. the more extreme it gets. the greater the final reaction against it all will be,

395330 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, 9, #1050 of 1834 🔗

There weren’t many open dissenters against the Diana lunacy at the time.

395435 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1051 of 1834 🔗

I remember it well and said at the time that the reaction was downright idiotic. She was my age and we had got engaged/married around the same time and had our first child a month apart. When I heard of her death, I was initially shocked and obviously sad for her family and children but that was the end for me. It was the start of the new over the top way that some people reacted to any sad event, give me the stiff upper lip any day!.

395482 ▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1052 of 1834 🔗

We went to Blackpool that weekend, purposely to avoid the wall to wall coverage. Expected it to be empty. There were a a lot of people there all with the same idea. Guess it was the same all over the country but never reported.

395701 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Starlin, #1053 of 1834 🔗

I remember cynicism about it among BBC employees (I worked there at the time) and even some overt hostility to the victims but I doubt whether any of them would have said anything like that with cameras and microphones on.

395361 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 6, #1054 of 1834 🔗

Yup
Acceleration is our best weapon
Full on clown world for all the fence sitters to see

395379 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Crystal Decanter, 13, #1055 of 1834 🔗

I’ve got to agree with you and have thought for some time that things have to become much more ridiculous before people will wake up. When Fauci claimed 2 masks is better than one, I kind of cheered. Because then 4 masks must offer 4x the protection of one, though it may lead to hypoxia. Bring it on! For those of us who won’t wear one mask, what difference does it make if the sheeple start wearing 4? Let’s accelerate the damage masking causes. Let’s see whether people will really stop eating when told they shouldn’t even go shopping for food. We need media stories (assuming they’d be covered) about people fainting from wearing double masks and being found half starved because they followed government guidance not to shop. Sorry to sound nasty, but I’m afraid that might be what it takes.

395718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1056 of 1834 🔗

I think you’re probably right.

395356 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1057 of 1834 🔗

A state funeral where half a dozen mourners can attend and march through the streets so that will be Johnson,Hancock 2 clowns from Sage ,Piss Moron and one member of his family

395358 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1058 of 1834 🔗

If its like Dianas then we can all attend and have one big piss up party to celebrate the lovely mans life and hug one another to commiserate also.

395369 ▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1059 of 1834 🔗

That’s only the start, there will be calls for an extra Bank Holiday soon.

395371 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1060 of 1834 🔗

Rather have state funerals for all the poor people that committed suicide due to lockdown and draconian restrictions……

395389 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to A. Contrarian, #1061 of 1834 🔗

They need to get Captain Tom a hologram like the one they had on the St. Floyd funeral tour.

395476 ▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, #1062 of 1834 🔗

Aw, now that’s just jealousy.

395311 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #1063 of 1834 🔗

Saw this posted on JHBs Twitter thread, re Captain Tom and the jab, hasn’t got a date on it or who wrote it:
https://twitter.com/peachypuk/status/1356978869799116802?s=21

395320 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1064 of 1834 🔗

I am sure I remember him being jabbed. In a rational world the government would acknowledge that not everyone can be “saved” by the vaccine, especially if they have other serious complications.

395357 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Will, 1, #1065 of 1834 🔗

I was sure I saw or heard this too.

395321 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1066 of 1834 🔗

If you do a search for the first sentence in quotes, you don’t get a result, so maybe the article has been removed from the net, or that was just a comment, and has been removed.

395344 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to this is my username, 2, #1067 of 1834 🔗

It looks like a comment doesn’t it. If you google search “ Captain Tom” and “jab” or “Covid vaccine” you get about 2 trillion hits saying he definitely didn’t have the jab…

395319 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 6, #1068 of 1834 🔗

You can download the Human Freedom Index here

https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2020?queryID=5b90287dfc833090a85eb412ee99472e

It uses various measures, economic freedom, personal freedom etc. They do an update every year. The last data is for 2018. God knows what our score will be for 2020 but we will look similar to North Korea

395324 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to steve_w, 9, #1069 of 1834 🔗

I don’t need an index to tell me we are blindly steeping into ruin

395333 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 6, #1070 of 1834 🔗

No, they will incorporate a new dimension called ‘freedom from fear of disease’ or some such bullshit.

The countries with the harshest lockdowns etc will have the highest scores on that.

395338 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 1, #1071 of 1834 🔗

The countries with the harshest lockdowns etc will have the highest scores on that.” Ironically I think the opposite is true

395382 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, #1072 of 1834 🔗

Yes – agreed, but will be sold differently..

395322 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 29, #1073 of 1834 🔗

I’m not taking the vaccine – any of them – but this is the biggest bet in human history. Testing computer modeled genetically modified “vaccines” on tens and hundred of millions people across the globe without having the faintest idea about the long term consequences is definitely the biggest and scariest bet in human history.

395323 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to TheClone, 15, #1074 of 1834 🔗

It’ll be OK. He saw it in a film… https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55917374

395368 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TheClone, 15, #1075 of 1834 🔗

If this ends up being a crime against humanity, which I personally believe it is, the insane thing is that the people are begging for it. When we think of crimes against humanity, they are perpetrated against people who have no choice about what’s happening to them. I can’t think of an historical example of a crime against humanity where the victims begged to be victimized. Maybe I’m sounding hyperbolic because I just watched Dr. Vernon Coleman, but at a minimum we must consider his point about informed consent. How many people have had the risks and potential side effects properly explained to them? How many realize they have consented to be part of a clinical trial? Medical experimentation without informed consent is a crime against humanity.

395569 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1076 of 1834 🔗

It’s like a global Darwin Awards competition with billions of entries.

395905 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1077 of 1834 🔗

My favourite Darwin award.

The Arizona Highway Patrol were mystified when they came upon a pile of smoldering wreckage embedded in the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve”.

https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1995-04.html

395713 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1078 of 1834 🔗

Yes, if it turns out that so many die or suffer signficant side effects, then even the efforts of the media and governments to censor what has happened will not work. Governments will fall and there will be a lot of chaos. It won’t be pretty, but at least the big lie will have been exposed and there is a chance for justice.

I had figured that governments would ‘vaccinate’ their way out of this shitshow, covering their backsides and getting most of the public to love Big Brother. Now I’m not so sure, given the numerous reports of problems and the refusal of several governments to permit the use of some of the ‘vaccines’ on certain groups. We might be surprised at where this goes. The frequent reports here about refusal to accept ‘vaccines’ (around the world) suggest that there are far more sceptical people out there than one would have expected.

395404 ▶▶ John001, replying to TheClone, 1, #1079 of 1834 🔗

I believe a TV programme on the 1976 H1N1 flu tragedy is still on Y.tube.

The vaccines for the earlier 1957 and 1968 flu – quite severe pandemics – seem to have been developed fairly competently over 4-6 months. Was that before pharma took over US & UK healthcare and wanted to cut corners to get more $$$ for shareholders?

Anyone think that the UK gave up the legendary search for a vaccine for the common cold (sometimes caused by a coronavirus) due to the vaccine-enhanced disease risk? The full reasons were never made public.

395436 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to TheClone, 1, #1080 of 1834 🔗

It’s not a bet, it’s an experiment, and the gene therapy is “software for life” or something like that.

395486 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TheClone, 1, #1081 of 1834 🔗

Yes, indeed. I really hope we’re all wrong and can eat our words. No meal would be finer!

We’re supposed to give ”informed consent” but it seems the surgeries are just phoning up and offering it. A rellie of mine has been having a course of treatment and was told he shouldn’t have the jab until mid February earliest. So far he’s had three phone calls from his OWN surgery offering him an appointment.
Unfortunately, he wants to have it. No argument. I’m just glad he’s going to the surgery, and not to a church hall with a few half-baked A level students…. or am I being unfair?

395327 leggy, replying to leggy, 26, #1082 of 1834 🔗

Have you seen this shit? Seems our esteemed Health Secretary’s policy decisions are now influenced by a science fiction movie about a virus with an IFR of 25%. It’s not like SARS-CoV-2 is less that one hundredth of that or anything:

“Matt Hancock said the film Contagion had helped demonstrate to him the importance of securing enough vaccines once they had been approved.”

395346 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 16, #1083 of 1834 🔗

He’s mad.

395355 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1084 of 1834 🔗

And a wanker.

395406 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nymeria, #1085 of 1834 🔗

He turned me into a newt… (I got better).

395444 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nymeria, #1086 of 1834 🔗

Used only to make you go blind, must be a new variant.

395448 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1087 of 1834 🔗

Just went to uptick this and got the “report a post” dialogue box.
Didn’t report it I hope.
Anyway back to the current Secretary of State, he is certifiably, dangerously, psychopathically stark staring out of his mind.
When will this stop? North Korean clap for Tom and don’t buy any new food for your family until you’ve emptied all your tins & packets. Words fail me.

395353 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to leggy, 10, #1088 of 1834 🔗

I hate the comparison with that film. In Contagion, people are actually dropping dead all over the shop. This is nothing like it.

395354 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to muzzle, 8, #1089 of 1834 🔗

Not yet
Just let the vaccine get to work on all those frail geriatrics

395537 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to muzzle, 1, #1090 of 1834 🔗

Am its a fucking work of fiction. Oh bit like corona then.

395334 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 44, #1091 of 1834 🔗

Had my first report of a swerver casualty. Woman my Mum knows, stepped off the path at the park, tripped and broke her wrist. She’ll probably die of an infection and cop a positive test at the hospital before she goes. Another one for the Rona.

395351 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1092 of 1834 🔗

That’s what extreme social distancing can do!

395375 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #1093 of 1834 🔗

I’ve had a man holding a baby jump off the pavement into the road to avoid me. Fortunately for the baby the road was clear.

395405 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #1094 of 1834 🔗

These people are missing a brain cell or three. Just come back from a large supermarket where I was browsing the clothes, don’t know why as we don’t go anywhere these days to wear them. Anyway, muzzle free as usual, I then spotted a woman in my peripheral vision who was hovering about at the end of the aisle. It was obvious that she wasn’t going to come down whilst ever there was a bare faced virus ridden person in the way. I took my time and moved on, sure enough she then moved in safe in the knowledge that the threat had gone. I really have to suppress my urge to say something sarcastic, give me a few more months of this madness and I won’t be able to stop myself.

395434 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Hellonearth, 6, #1095 of 1834 🔗

Or walk back right into her way again? 2 metres away of course cos “science”.

395437 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #1096 of 1834 🔗

I’m feeling nasty today so really hope she does. Sick of all of these collaborators making their fear our problem

395442 ▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1097 of 1834 🔗

Evolution in progress!

395510 ▶▶ willnotcomply, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1098 of 1834 🔗

Walked by a masked woman yesterday who almost fell over a low lying wall as she jumped back in feigned horror at me ( I had the audacity not to jump onto the road as she went by!) ..she actually emitted a low shriek as she performed her probably well perfected move!
Moron

395518 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1099 of 1834 🔗

My (unmasked) wife was delayed in the supermarket by a woman carefully feeling every piece of root ginger, one by one. She asked if she could come past to get some broccoli and the woman was rather offended and said ‘Certainly not!’, implying that any closer approach was unwelcome, but when my wife commented on how lovingly she was caressing the ginger she slunk off.

395565 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1100 of 1834 🔗

I’m trying not to think “Result!”. It’s a bit mean-spirited of me.

395348 Suet, replying to Suet, 31, #1101 of 1834 🔗

In other news: Matt Hancock says that, once the food in your freezer has run out, it’s perfectly acceptable to eat your children.

395350 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Suet, 10, #1102 of 1834 🔗

If it saves one life…

395359 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Suet, 7, #1103 of 1834 🔗

Or pets.

395377 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Suet, 11, #1104 of 1834 🔗

“it’s perfectly acceptable to eat your children.”

A perfect metaphor for what our society is doing.

395441 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to rockoman, 2, #1105 of 1834 🔗

NHS/Moloch but no cheating this time by sacrificing poor children you’ve bought. It’s your fault it didn’t work last time. Your own children this time and plenty of them.

395478 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #1106 of 1834 🔗

Jacob Rees Mogg will have a head start on the rest of us.

395501 ▶▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1107 of 1834 🔗

As will Boris.

395471 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Suet, 2, #1108 of 1834 🔗

A modest proposal.

395561 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Suet, 3, #1109 of 1834 🔗

Sorry – just too many little bones.

395363 danny, replying to danny, 19, #1110 of 1834 🔗

Been a while since I’ve watched Dr Vernon Coleman as I usually agree with his points but less so with his Bill Gates related conspiracy theories. But just watched his latest video on informed consent and vaccines. Heartbreaking to watch. I urge everyone to circulate this as much as possible.

395380 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, -2, #1111 of 1834 🔗

Classic turd in the punch bowl tactic
No body will go near it even if there are some nice bits round the edge

395422 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #1112 of 1834 🔗

Huh?

395378 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1113 of 1834 🔗

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/progressive-collapse

That would be the snp progressive collapse. Woke stops for no so called pandemic, we saw the virus proof * BLM protests now we have more from woke scotland.

* clearly not virus proof – scam exposing perhaps? This duplicity of woke reality where we have a plague on yet gather to virtuously signal to collapse society seems to be something particularly trendy at the momen. All very open society like.

Another good account of the same here – https://theweeflea.com/2021/02/02/a-woke-coup-in-scotland-and-a-warning-to-the-rest-of-the-world-ct/

395416 ▶▶ willnotcomply, replying to Basics, #1114 of 1834 🔗

Thanks will definitely have a look

395474 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #1115 of 1834 🔗

A poisonous party, rotten, playing games with identity politics is very dangerous. Are the majority of people in Scotland so depressed or just not willing to see what is going on.

395694 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stefarm, #1116 of 1834 🔗

I don’t know. Many do seem to see the BS going on in the Scottish Government but don’t say anything (a bit like that other problem named Rona). One of the big problems is that Sturgeon has obviously done media training and knows how to manipulate the crowd better than most. Another is that the opposition here is fragmented and each Unionst party repels enough people in some way to prevent voters from coalescing around one of them. The strongest opposition party now is the Conservative and Unionist party, but it repels so many Scots that it’s hopeless. Labour is weak and the Lib Dems are weaker. Unless Sturgeon ends up resigning this month due to the allegations about Salmond, I suspect the SNP will win a majority of seats or close to it, with the Greens taking enough seats to help the SNP with its pro-independence agenda, not to mention futher wokery. It’s not fun living in Scotland if you are a centrist person who wants a normal life.

395386 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #1117 of 1834 🔗

I love tennis and wish no ill to those who make their living from it or in connection to it, but I have to admit to a certain schadenfreude in seeing the tissue-thin facade of normalcy at the Australian Open is unravelling. Some venues still have a fair bit of coronabollocks but some have nappy-free players, officials and spectators, with handshakes.
It is all falling apart now, showing very clearly anyone who deludes themselves that Australia is a paradise or that we will be out of the woods when “cases” drop is mistaken

Even if things get back to something closer to normal, as long as we think covid is something to panic about and we keep testing for it, any event or place or situation will be liable to cancellation or disruption at short notice, unless and until people stop being mad

This is something to drum into the heads of the apathetic and optimistic – get them to think through what the rest of their lives will be like even when the “pandemic” is declared “over”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/55904746

Australian Open: Players to go into isolation after hotel coronavirus case

Between 500 and 600 Australian Open players, officials and support staff will go into isolation after a worker at one of the event’s quarantine hotels tested positive for coronavirus.
Thursday’s play at the six warm-up events at Melbourne Park has been cancelled as a result.

But Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews said: “At this stage there is no impact on the tournament proper.”
Players will be free to return to competition after a negative test.
“We will work with everyone involved to facilitate testing as quickly as possible,” said Australian Open organisers.
The Grand Slam tournament, which was pushed back by three weeks to enable players to quarantine, starts on Monday.

Andrews said a 26-year-old man had tested positive for Covid-19 – which could be the UK strain of the virus – after working at the Grand Hyatt hotel in Melbourne’s Central Business District.
The security guard tested negative after his final shift at the hotel on 29 January, but returned a positive result after he was tested again on 2 February.
This was one of the hotels where some of the 1,000 players, officials and support staff stayed to complete a 14-day quarantine period on their arrival in Australia.
Andrews said the 500-600 people connected to the Australian Open were deemed to be “casual contacts” of the man.
“This is one case, there is no need for people to be panicked or alarmed,” said Andrews, who announced the state of Victoria would return to some restrictions including masks to be worn indoors.
“We have proved as a state very successful in managing these sort of outbreaks and issues.”
Australia has imposed some of the world’s toughest restrictions over the past year in a bid to suppress the coronavirus.
Months of strict border controls – both internationally and domestically – have helped limit Covid-19 cases to less than 29,000 and deaths to less than 1,000.
Asked about the impact of the hotel worker’s positive test on the Australian Open, Andrews added: “We have one case and we are going to work very hard to keep the numbers as low as we can. The decision has been made and the event will proceed next week.”

395412 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 10, #1118 of 1834 🔗

“unless and until people stop being mad”

And that, my friends, is the problem.

395427 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1119 of 1834 🔗

Mad, and a bit slow on the uptake

I think we need to paint a picture for them – forever going forward, their party/wedding/shop/concert/sports event/office etc is subject short notice delay and cancellation because of some positive test of some vaguely connected non-ill individual

395459 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 2, #1120 of 1834 🔗

“We have proved as a state very successful in managing these sort of outbreaks and issues.”

Yes Andrew you completely fucked their local economy. Well managed!

395489 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1121 of 1834 🔗

Indeed, and you’ve managed them so well that normal life is under threat of enormous, invasive disruption at the drop of a hat from now until doomsday

395394 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1122 of 1834 🔗

Matt Hancock finally tells the nation where the Mutant came from.

“Beware of Mutant!”

395396 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1123 of 1834 🔗

A Young Chris Witty (with hair) and Jennie Harries struggle with Mutant!

395399 alw, replying to alw, 7, #1124 of 1834 🔗

Yet another GP Patient survey from Ipsos/Mori the same as they sent me a month ago. Again straight in recycling. Fed up with continued harassment from NHS. 9 texts, one letter about vaccination which deleted.

395403 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, #1125 of 1834 🔗

We should keep scores, I’ve had 2 surveys (both sent back with Unsolicited Mail written on them); 2 texts for the jab and 1 letter.

395401 alw, replying to alw, 8, #1126 of 1834 🔗

Luke Johnson
@LukeJohnsonRCP
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6h

I estimate it will have cost the taxpayer at least £60 billion by the time furlough ends in April. Was it really a great idea to forcibly idle millions for almost a year? Did it really save lives? How much healthcare could we have bought for £60 billion?

395415 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 5, #1127 of 1834 🔗

I am not so sure that it will end in April.

395426 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to rockoman, 5, #1128 of 1834 🔗

Me neither, it’s the gift that goes on giving to buy off opposition to lockdowns.

395506 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 2, #1129 of 1834 🔗

How much healthcare could we have bought for £60 billion?

Indeed.

Also all the people that have been denied healthcare during these draconian lockdowns, cancer screenings and treatment, etc

395409 merlin, replying to merlin, 10, #1130 of 1834 🔗

Let’s pretend that it makes sense to vaccinate for a mild flu like illness which most people wouldn’t even know they had .
Let’s pretend that the gene therapy or genetically modified chimp virus Is actually effective and safe.
Why would anyone take it now , as we move into spring when astra/oxford are telling you that they will have a brand new vaccine in autumn which will be effective for the new variants? If you are prepared to have a vaccine, wait for autumn.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9218963/Coronavirus-UK-Oxford-AstraZeneca-make-new-Covid-vaccine-AUTUMN.html

395440 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to merlin, 3, #1131 of 1834 🔗

They are counting (£££) on multiple jabs
The collaborators will line up and jab it up the pooper if they were told to.
let them
the more jabs they have- the more likely to croak

395555 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to merlin, #1132 of 1834 🔗

So they can go on holiday or something.

395411 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #1133 of 1834 🔗

just looking at this chart would make me wonder about the vaccines

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-florence-nightingales-daigrams-for-deaths/

395475 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to steve_w, 3, #1134 of 1834 🔗

You might want to look at the ONS data in detail for week 3 ( includes weeks1 and 2 plus loads of details about age groups etc).
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending22january2021
The number of all couse, all age deaths is about 50% higher than average over the first 3 eeeks of the year. Deaths associated with covid are about 8K out of 18k.
Its looking suspicious, the problem everyone has is that PCR tests are given to everyone so its difficult to pry out who died after the jab. Somewhere of course, someone knows.

395487 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to peyrole, 2, #1135 of 1834 🔗

Somewhere of course, someone knows.” I am not sure they do. I think they don’t know and don’t care and don’t want to know. What you don’t know can’t hurt you – better to be ignorant

395651 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, #1136 of 1834 🔗

It’s the same when they say confidently “There’s no evidence to suggest…” This translates as “Well we haven’t even considered that but we’re not going to admit it”.

395528 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to steve_w, #1137 of 1834 🔗

Another interesting thing about covid related deaths. Since the recording started last year , only just over 5,000 out of 100,000+ have died at home. Normal average is about 47%.
Very public deaths.

395554 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to peyrole, 2, #1138 of 1834 🔗

Is that another way of saying nosocomial?

395635 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1139 of 1834 🔗

Any way of saying nosocomial that doesn’t involve saying the word nosocomial is good with me.

395413 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1140 of 1834 🔗

AstraZeneca promises new jab for mutant strains is on the way:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/astrazeneca-promises-new-covid-vaccine-will-protect-against-mutants-us-hospitalizations

They’re just throwing crap at the wall now.

395463 ▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1141 of 1834 🔗

Teenage mutant hero jab.

395465 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1142 of 1834 🔗

I’m definitely not taking any of them now. We’ll end up in a crazy vaccine arms race. I just don’t want to be involved.

395628 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to muzzle, #1143 of 1834 🔗

Yes; eventually, two of them are bound to adversely interact. I am happy for other people to be the guinea-pigs.

395544 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1144 of 1834 🔗

We can see where this is going. New vax for mutation, new mutation another vax…….. ad infinitum.

395418 Jo Starlin, 14, #1145 of 1834 🔗

Oven repair bloke just been. He put a mask on as he came in and I told him I was perfectly happy for him not to wear one, in fact I’d prefer it if he didn’t. He kept it on while working, I suspect just out of habit, as he was perfectly happy to have a cup of tea with me and accept cash for payment.

395420 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 26, #1146 of 1834 🔗

SARS-cov-2 is the virus. A positive PCR test says you have some virus present. You don’t die simply by having the virus present in your system.

COVID-19 is the disease. It is apparently caused by the SARS-cov-2 virus. But the symptoms of the disease are not unique and could just as easily be due to a number of known causes.

A postive PCR test is not confirmation that you have developed a disease. You don’t die from a positive PCR test which is merely confirming the presence of a virus.

In short people don’t die with covid, they can die with SARS-cov-2/a positive PCR test.

They can die of Covid (the disease) but as the symptoms of this disease are not new or unique how do we know they’re dying from a new disease caused by SARS-cov-2?

395429 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #1147 of 1834 🔗

Great summary. Can someone please shut down the government’s misinformation campaign claiming that “1 in 3 people do not have symptoms of covid-19”. You can’t not have symptoms of a DISEASE! You may have a virus without symptoms. Most of us have dormant viruses in us all the time, but you can’t have a DISEASE without symptoms. Hey, Wancock… War Games FAIL!

395430 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1148 of 1834 🔗

I pointed this out to someone the other day. Their answer was “does it matter?”. Apathy is rife.

395447 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to leggy, 1, #1149 of 1834 🔗

It is indeed and very worrying.

395431 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #1150 of 1834 🔗

Agreed – except for:

“A positive PCR test says you have some virus present.”

I see no reason to accept that.

A positive PCR says at most that you have at least some of a particular gene-fragment present – a gene-fragment which allegedly is also present in ‘the virus’.

…and that is leaving the issue of false positives to one side.

395454 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 3, #1151 of 1834 🔗

The “test” is just some made-up criteria arranged around the PCR process.

This is why a goat and a papaya produced, “positives.”

395549 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, #1152 of 1834 🔗

Not you. Your maybe contaminated sample does.

395445 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1153 of 1834 🔗

Also filing this under:
“A skyscraper cannot just collapse into its own footprint without a controlled demolition…”
and
“A human being cannot be dead for three days and come back to life.”
and
“Viruses don’t mutate in a location and then get spread around the world. Strains are called after the place that sequenced them first not because they only exist there…”

But human hubris will tell you
2 planes can bring down a skyscraper
A man can be dead for days and come back to life
Viruses mutate only if and when the Minister of Dodgy Dealings says so…

395457 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #1154 of 1834 🔗

2 planes brought down 3 skyscrapers.

By Jove, get your facts straight man!

395479 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1155 of 1834 🔗

Hahahaha!! Yes, one by powers of just “willing” it to fall down. WTC7 – that ALWAYS gets people if you pull it out the bag last.

395470 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Nobody2021, #1156 of 1834 🔗

Or to summarise: Correlation is not causation.

395473 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1157 of 1834 🔗

Just to add I know from personal experience (my father, multiple tests all negative) that it’s entirely possible to have what would otherwise be described as a severe case of covid without testing positive for SARS-cov-2.

Think about that in the context of my initial post.

395496 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1158 of 1834 🔗

That’s why I knew this stank from day one – “tell me the difference between covid and a cold!” I demanded until I was blue in the face. Then started researching what “coronaviruses” were. “It’s a cold!” I screamed. “No, it’s worse than a cold.”
“Okay, that’s pneumonia then! And Long Covid is pneumonia scarring…”
Silence.
Since April I’ve been waiting for the end of this charade. I feel it’s just around the corner now.
They wanted to peddle a vaccine for the common cold so they rebranded the mysterious “common cold”, called it a disease and staged an extraordinary piece of theatre.

My greatest objection is when they call it “Corona” like there was never a coronavirus before 2020, also helping to conflate virus with disease.

It’s just another nasty instrument for them to stick a stigma to… (file under Herpes, HIV, Leprocy…)

Sigh

395425 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 16, #1159 of 1834 🔗

Now that Wancock admits Government policy is influenced by the movies, it makes sense as to why he’s listening to SAGE – their advice is all a work of fiction as well!

395462 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to vargas99, 4, #1160 of 1834 🔗

The military should be preparing to remove these clowns when they see this kind of admission. Clearly they are equally compromised.

395509 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to vargas99, 8, #1161 of 1834 🔗

I don’t actually believe him…

Hancock would rather we think he’s stupid than criminal.

It seems much more likely that the obscene amount of inventory the government has bought from Big Pharma reflects the size of the kickbacks that await them for shifting so much product at our expense.

No wonder he was laughing. All the way to the bank. Kaching!

Mmmm…… lovely lovely kickbacks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

395433 Ceriain, 8, #1162 of 1834 🔗

Under ‘normal’ circumstances the Daily Mail would be ripping the shit out of Handjob over the Contagion story. They would be reporting readers ‘taking to Twitter’ posting ‘hilarious’ memes showing him up.

Today – nothing!

395443 alw, replying to alw, 2, #1163 of 1834 🔗

From the Torygraph;

”More cruise companies announce ban on non-vaccinated travellersLast month, Saga Holidays announced that non-vaccinated travellers will not be permitted to travel on its cruise ships when holidays are permitted to re-start. Now, two US cruise companies have announced that they will enforce similar restrictions.
The American Queen Steamboat Company and sister brand Victory Cruise Lines have told customers that, from July 1, all passengers will be required to show proof of having received two doses of approved vaccines.
“The health and safety of our guests, crew members and partners continues to remain our top priority,” said John Waggoner, CEO and founder of American Queen Steamboat Company. “Vaccination requirement for both our guests and crew is the most prudent next step to ensure that we are providing the safest cruising experience possible.”

395452 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, 2, #1164 of 1834 🔗

Proof can be easily forged if you want to waste money on those companies

395529 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, -1, #1165 of 1834 🔗

Chicoms already busting fake vax rings:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/chinese-police-arrest-suspects-fake-covid-vaccine-ring

I bet those guys are already dead on Xi’s orders.

395453 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 7, #1166 of 1834 🔗

If these companies think that the ‘vaccine’ works, then presumably they will be neither masking nor distancing on board ship.

If masking /distancing are implemented on board then why can’t the unvaccinated go on board?

395466 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 10, #1167 of 1834 🔗

Assuming a substantial proportion of people refuse the vaccination, which I expect, then that leaves a market niche possibility for a company which takes everybody – either vaccinated or not.

It would then be possible to compare, in the fullness of time, the illness rates etc of all companies and cruises.

Who knows, perhaps rates of illness would be higher on board the ‘vaccinated ship’?

If such a market experiment were to show that unvaccinated ships are no less healthy than the vaccinated ones, then eventually cruise companies would be pressured by market forces to abandon a discriminatory policy.

The same goes for concerts, pubs, restaurants etc.

395504 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, #1168 of 1834 🔗

The banks will go after vaxx resisting biz via higher interest rates, higher transaction fees, tighter lines of credit, more stringent payment terms, and possibly even financial deplatforming to grind them down into submission or out of business.

395535 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to awildgoose, #1169 of 1834 🔗

They’ll have trouble with online banking becoming the norm.

395468 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 8, #1170 of 1834 🔗

They’ll soon drop this when someone sues.

395520 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to alw, #1171 of 1834 🔗

This stuff is software, not a vaccine and they are not allowed to do this. I highly recommend Patrick M Wood’s interview with James Delingpole which went out today. Very concerning stuff.

395541 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to alw, 1, #1172 of 1834 🔗

Dolores Freedom Cruises could be next.

395446 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 32, #1173 of 1834 🔗

Hancock wants us to rummage through our freezers instead of going out. The infantalising of the nation is getting worse. Trying to replace family. Makes sense all of the distancing, keep away from family, don’t touch or go near granma. Parliament continues to stand by and watch this train wreck

395451 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1174 of 1834 🔗

It’s all part of the GloboMarxist plan to breakdown and atomize the current organic society so it can be recollectivized according to their blueprints.

395460 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to awildgoose, 12, #1175 of 1834 🔗

They might want it but they aren’t going to get it. Trouble is the Westminster bubble is not the real world, I actually think they think that people are following their crazy.

395559 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1176 of 1834 🔗

They are getting it though. Westminster may be bubble even a small bubble but they control all the guns.

395615 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1177 of 1834 🔗

But on current form, if they make it law to do these things, how many will disobey?

395957 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, #1178 of 1834 🔗

You know, the whole thing feels like it’s totally out of control in this country whilst the rest of the world is getting on with reopening at a rate of knots and getting back to normal society. We have an idiotic Govt run by complete idiots and pathological liars and a Prime Minister who is probably drunk a lot of the time. They are obsessed with variants that don’t exist, vaccines and corruption, utter corruption. We have two Chief Officers who are liars, who are steeped in vested financial interests in all of this and a Secretary of State for Health who seems to think he’s Adolf Hitler, and seriously believes himself so to be. Our Govt is making no effort to minimise the fear, the propaganda, the censorship and stabilsing the ship and the economy. It’s power and greed that drives them, personal gain. It’s a runaway train that is now definitely careering out of control and I can feel it. It will derail much sooner than people think it will simply because it’s got nowhere to go except err, off the rails. That’s where we are at now. I’m not getting off yet I’m staying sceptic to continue fighting the good fight.

Wee Krankie and Drakeford may well fall soon in their little islands. Let’s see.

395788 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to awildgoose, #1179 of 1834 🔗

It’s all part of the GloboMarxist plan… “

If I want bonkers delusion and confirmation bias, I can watch government press conferences instead of 77th Brigade stuff here.

395494 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1180 of 1834 🔗

destroy the current agriculture model…destroy meat production…stop drinking alcohol…its all the same agenda……..

just look at the ADVERTS on TV…its all there plain as can be…..

395499 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1181 of 1834 🔗

“We’re going to create a world not worth living in and you’re going to love it!”

395500 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Luckyharry69, 9, #1182 of 1834 🔗

Agree – I’ve noticed a few adverts for vegan and vegetarian food creeping in

395577 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stefarm, 4, #1183 of 1834 🔗

Only a few. They are bloody everywhere.

395597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #1184 of 1834 🔗

There is a lot of money in cheaply produced manufactured vegan food. There is no money in lots of people going and buying mung beans before cooking their own vegan food.

The hyper-processed food industry along with big pharma and big agriculture are firmly to blame for people’s ill health, comorbities and the CV-19 death toll.

However we are being told to stay in doors and eat up whatever long life rubbish we have in the cupboards.

395614 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to stefarm, 2, #1185 of 1834 🔗

Of course; it’s part of Agenda 21.

395622 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stefarm, 3, #1186 of 1834 🔗

I don’t have a problem with either (I am vegetarian, sometimes pescatarian), but I do have a problem with that rotten fungus ‘meat’ that is popular amongst those that can’t quite accept that being vegetarian means not having a bacon butty or a chicken goujon.

395958 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to stefarm, #1187 of 1834 🔗

Interesting though but I listened to a programme on the radio (I think it was on the World Service) where a climate change champion was deeply depressed because people were still buying meat at the same levels as before!!

395513 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1188 of 1834 🔗

This highlights how out of touch with real people the politicians are. They presume everyone has a large, fully stocked freezer with enough food to last for months. Many people don’t have a large freezer and just buy a weeks food at a time.

That reminds me of Nancy Pelosi’s “let them eat ice cream” statement last year. I remember her video of a huge stock of expensive ice cream, really rubbing the proles noses in it.

395521 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Laura Suckling, 9, #1189 of 1834 🔗

There are also people who have been hit financially so bad by the measures with no help at all from the government as they are falling between the cracks of all the various schemes, that going to the supermarket every day to buy food from the marked down aisles is the only option.

395673 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1190 of 1834 🔗

I wonder whether they’re about to limit food deliveries – a friend saw a food delivery van being pulled over by the police and having to show papers. They want us to start suffering a bit more just in case we haven’t understood who’s in charge.

395960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jos, #1191 of 1834 🔗

Shame on the police.

395522 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #1192 of 1834 🔗

We have a big fridge freezer, but with 5 adults (3 lads in 20s) in the house it certainly doesn’t last very long!

It reminds me of the idiots on Twitter who thought Home Bargains wasn’t an essential shop. If you are on a tight budget Home Bargains, Poundland etc. may be where a lot of your food supplies come from.

395563 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to TreeHugger, 4, #1193 of 1834 🔗

I would be reduced to eating a delicious dinner of frozen peas and cat food, mmmm.

395564 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Laura Suckling, #1194 of 1834 🔗

What’s the cat going to eat then?

395567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1195 of 1834 🔗

Me probably.

395802 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1196 of 1834 🔗

12 in our household (3 generations; 6 kids; 6 adults) so not shopping frequently is impossible.

395819 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #1197 of 1834 🔗

yes, I live in a multi-occupancy, multi-generational household, and I’m waiting for the fascist scum to start a crackdown on that, carting some of us off to the gulag

395484 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1199 of 1834 🔗

Switzerland bans AstraZeneca vaccine for ALL citizens as Europe declares war on UK jab

Ah, the Express!
Are they still running the “Diana was murdered!” story every Monday?

395492 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1200 of 1834 🔗

you mean she wasnt?…….

395498 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1201 of 1834 🔗

has Philip been exonerated yet?

395514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mj, #1202 of 1834 🔗

He’s been vaccinated. Is that the same thing?

395536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1203 of 1834 🔗

No that’s more like exterminated.

395524 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1204 of 1834 🔗

Despicable headline.Gives the impression that it’s the EU who are banning the ‘vaccine’ for political reasons,when Switzerland are not part of the Union and have refused to authorise it due to lack of data.

395712 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1205 of 1834 🔗

Considering they fully licensed BionTech/Pfizer, have BTP bribed the authorities in Switzerland?

395455 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1206 of 1834 🔗

Need some suggestions for Covid p0rn

2 jabs – one cup ?

395461 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1207 of 1834 🔗

LOL!

You really shouldn’t; there’s some lovely little old ladies here BTL who are going to go and look that up… then end up seeing the original. 😉

395483 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1208 of 1834 🔗

The fact checkers might need to have a look first!

395493 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, 1, #1209 of 1834 🔗

More LOL! Stop it! 😉

395505 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, #1210 of 1834 🔗

bet they use Google and not *uck *uck Go

395464 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 47, #1211 of 1834 🔗

The BBC condemns Russian Police for hitting people over the head with batons

I presume the occupants of Bush House were too busy to look out of the window when the TSG were doing the same to defenceless women

395480 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1212 of 1834 🔗

The media don’t even try to hide their hypocrisy anymore and few seem to question it.

395495 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Nobody2021, #1213 of 1834 🔗

Concussion.

395502 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1214 of 1834 🔗

I presume the occupants of Bush House were too busy to look out of the window when the TSG were doing the same to defenceless women


Indeed!

395950 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, #1215 of 1834 🔗

I strongly suspect it’s a smokescreen to take attention away from this shitshow. You know, “You think it’s bad here, well just look at this…. count yourselves lucky!”

395472 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1217 of 1834 🔗

I’m warming to this Great Reset idea – confiscation of 100% of assets of companies that have promoted “vaccines” as a condition of doing business with them.

395508 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1218 of 1834 🔗

European court of Human Rights says no coercion can be used against non vax people

395511 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1219 of 1834 🔗

Oh, if only – no it’s only your assets which will be taken.

395485 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1220 of 1834 🔗

It seems even Starmer wants to kick the shit out of old Boris. Hahahahaha…

395515 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to GrannySlayer, 12, #1221 of 1834 🔗

I’m seriously dubious of Starmer. I have a Law degree. Even if he never ever sat in another moment of Tort, he knows untested vaccines are genocide. He needs to get out of the shadow of Blair urgently and decide if he’s a straw man or someone of moral substance. As much as it pains me to say, he needs to activate EVERYONE in his own party including Corbyn to stop this madness right now. They need to volte face pretty bloody quickly for there to even be a country worth leading in the future. Don’t suppose he will any time soon.

395526 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to TheHandbag, 14, #1222 of 1834 🔗

Anybody who ‘takes the knee’ has lost all credibility for me(not that he had any)….just wait until the football fans get back in the grounds…40,000 at Elland Road…I cant wait to see the media/social media meltdown when the whole crowd boos……..

395616 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Luckyharry69, #1223 of 1834 🔗

Just hoping that we will be allowed back into ER while Bielsa is still with us. Not optimistic with these lunatics in charge.

395552 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #1224 of 1834 🔗

He’s a globalist placeman a piece of the puzzle necessary along with Johnson to be in place for this all to roll out. As soon as Corbyn was neutralised any effective opposition was gone. Both parties are now to cheeks of the same globalist arse.

395594 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1225 of 1834 🔗

He needs to get out of the shadow of Blair urgently and decide if he’s a straw man or someone of moral substance”

Don’t we know which already?

395605 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1226 of 1834 🔗

He’s part of the trilateral commission- an anti-democratic secret group and I have no doubt he knows exactly what he’s doing

395609 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to jos, #1227 of 1834 🔗

So sorry. Was having an Owen Jones moment there. 😂 Starmer needs… Haven’t read the G in about 2 months, but it’s hard to break out if the thinking patterns. (Not that I was making much of a job of it to judge by how many of my comments were being deleted by the mods).

395617 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 3, #1228 of 1834 🔗

Bought and paid for Rockefeller man.The globalists control both parties in the house.There is no help coming from there.The courts and media the same.
The only way this ends is if enough people are mobilised.
We are waiting for people to stop this for us.
We need to do it ourselves

395760 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1229 of 1834 🔗

“He needs to get out of the shadow of Blair urgently and decide if he’s a straw man or someone of moral substance.”

Keep up. That’s already been decided – from the moment that – for political advantage – he went along with the Board of Deputies instead of supporting the many independent-thinking Jews persecuted by that establishment body. Anti-semitism masquerading as the opposite – corrupt in the extreme.

Nothing since then has shown anything other than disgusting pole-climbing hypocrisy that has protected and further embedded corruption in the administration of the Labour Party.

395947 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to TheHandbag, #1230 of 1834 🔗

Comrade Dictator Stalin is not a politician. He’s only been an MP for five years, gifted a safe seata. He has no business being the Leader of the Opposition because err, he knows jack shit about it. He hasn’t opposed anything and when he does it’s shite issues. He’s waiting in the wings to be the next Dictator – but he won’t get there. He, like Johnson, Wancock and the rest is a two faced liar, an establishment shill and bought wholly and entirely by the BOD, the I—–i Embassy and it’s Govt and how he is currently destroying the Labour Party shows you enough about him. It’s all about Him, him, him. He craves the power.

395503 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #1231 of 1834 🔗

Belgian Regulators recommend not giving Astra Zeneca vaccine to those over 55, apparently because of lacking evidence of efficacy. Mmm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/belgian-regulators-advise-against-giving-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-to-over-55s

395507 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to isobar, 5, #1232 of 1834 🔗

All these science deniers coming out of the closet…

395517 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to isobar, 4, #1233 of 1834 🔗

What? Lack of efficacy in killing them? Like Norway has found?

395523 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to isobar, 7, #1234 of 1834 🔗

Probably because it doesn’t kill oldies as efficiently as Pfizer, the one TRUE vaccine.

Heil Covid!

395791 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, #1235 of 1834 🔗

Dare I say ”Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they?”
Because if it were believed then it would certainly throw our government’s calculations out, wouldn’t it?

395512 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1236 of 1834 🔗

I mentioned below in a reply that I’ve had my vax invitation letter from ‘Our’ NHS; also had 2 texts so far from the GP (they’ll phone eventually, as they do every year when it’s flu vax time).

First thing I noticed was under the section headed: Please ignore this letter if:

There wasn’t a “ You don’t want to take the vaccine. ” choice.

Anyway, got round to reading the letter; found this:

Whichever place you choose to have your vaccine will keep you safe from Covid-19 through a range of measures including cleaning and disinfecting and having social distancing in waiting areas.”

I’m convinced, where’s the phone!

395516 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1237 of 1834 🔗

Oh, yes, I recall Sainsbury’s announcement that “We will continue to keep you safe” – I thought that was rather unwise.

395519 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1238 of 1834 🔗

AstraZenica vaccine: Expert wars coming soon, surely.

France, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Belgium and Poland have all advised against use for people over a certain age. Switzerland have banned it altogether.

395546 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1239 of 1834 🔗

Watch them start using the vax label to restrict entry to certain countries.

I’m surprised Fao-chi has not already declared the US will not recognize Sputnik V as a credible vax.

395707 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to awildgoose, #1240 of 1834 🔗

Why is it called Sputnik anyway? Did they test it on dogs?

395803 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1241 of 1834 🔗

‘sputnik’ means ‘companion’

395832 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1242 of 1834 🔗

I guess Laika was someone’s companion once.

395583 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1243 of 1834 🔗

How are AZ shares doing?

395704 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Basics, #1245 of 1834 🔗

None of the companies shares are doing well. Rose a bit on hope. Dropped back to pre CV levels

395525 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #1246 of 1834 🔗

502 Deaths from AZ (not mRNA) vaccine for covid so far in Europe, (not UK).

http://www.vigiaccess.org/

Ok. Here’s the European wing of the Adverse Reactions to the AstraZeneca vaccine.

You have to search under “Covishield”. Then under “ General disorders and administration site conditions” to see that there have been a MASSIVE 502 Deaths reported since this was commenced what 6 weeks ago, if that.

That’s not the mRNA vaccine either. As far as I’m aware. That’s not the UKs numbers either. Just Europe’s.

395530 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1247 of 1834 🔗

No, it’s a conventional vaccine, but it was a conventional vaccine which caused narcolepsy in all those nhs people a few years back.

395550 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1248 of 1834 🔗

Nope, tell a lie. It’s 502 deaths from a traditional vaccine (rather than gene therapy) that has only been “live” for about 6 weeks. It’s not clear who’s databases are feeding into this. But if you search “influenza vaccine”, you’ll see that since it’s inception it has had 989 deaths reported since the 1960s!

Dear God! The flu is going to look like saline compared to this!

395586 ▶▶ merlin, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1249 of 1834 🔗

Thanks for posting this. I tried to search for pfizer vaccine ( comirnaty tradename). It shows the same data . So it looks like they are pooling data from all covid 19 vaccines.

395650 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to merlin, 1, #1250 of 1834 🔗

Hmm. Something fishy there.

395527 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 27, #1251 of 1834 🔗

Take a butcher’s at this from the Institute for Government:

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:50f01906-a074-441b-916c-445b0842d001

Some gems:

‘Life after coronavirus will not feel like life before. It is best that governments acknowledge that and start planning now in order to capture the best that can come out of a very tough period while not raising expectations that life will suddenly snap back to an almost forgotten normal.’

Oh no, I have not even begun to ‘forget’ normal. In fact, I couldn’t be more intensely cognisant of normal life, and I can practically taste it. When the people eventually wake up and *rise* up we’ll be back to normal. Sorry about that.

‘[T]he virus will mutate, and, almost certainly, strains resistant to current vaccines will emerge.’

And there it is. Like I have said before, the stage is set for a contrived battle/game of Chase Me wherein the hero (politicians/scientists/vaccines) constantly hunts down the villain (new variants). Until we rise up this may not end.

‘One vision of the future…is that countries have to ‘learn to live’ with the virus in its changing forms…’

Get out of it! Really? Live with a virus and its variants? How utterly revolutionary!

Yes, dears, some of us have been saying this from Dot.

‘Social distancing and masks may have to remain in some contexts. Pressure for vaccination passports may well grow.’

Sod off.

‘Governments will have to find ways of explaining to people how to live with a degree of risk.’

Here’s the news for unthinking think tanks: We’re grown, mature adults. Most of us already understood that life comes with risks in varying degrees. It’s the *government* that is either ignorant of this or understands perfectly well yet still went ahead with its disastrous, monstrous policies.

‘A web of rules on quarantine, vaccination…is likely to remain.’

Sod off.

395543 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1252 of 1834 🔗

Control of the narrative is being used to create self-fulfilling prophecies to direct society and the world to the state the controllers desire.

395623 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1253 of 1834 🔗

A little bit about the Institute For Government:

The Institute for Government is a UK independent think tank which aims to improve government effectiveness through research and analysis, it was founded as a charity in 2008. It was initially funded with approximately £15 million by the Gatsby Charitable Foundation, at the instigation of Lord Sainsbury. Its first director was David Halpern, until his move to the Behavioural Insights Team in 2010.

Guess where he is now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Halpern_(psychologist)

Since October 2010 Halpern has been director of the Behavioural Insights Team.

He is one of the 56 individuals named by the UK government as contributing to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom, focusing on behavioural changes..

How deep does this all run?

395709 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to leggy, 3, #1254 of 1834 🔗

Good question. Take a look at the Institute for Government’s funding and collaborations page. There are some interesting links/collaborations, including with Imperial College London who provided funding for ‘Learning and development sessions’.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/about-us/our-funding-and-collaborations

395823 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1255 of 1834 🔗

Bugger off, even.

395531 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #1256 of 1834 🔗

For anyone struggling to understand current government policy and claims, here is a handy hint:

395532 Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #1258 of 1834 🔗

Katie Hopkins: Beware the media distraction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPClrAElg9g

395534 PWL, replying to PWL, 9, #1259 of 1834 🔗

Entirely predictable that this exploited old man died while this fiasco was ongoing, and then that his pneumonia was cast as “Covid-19”, otherwise he wouldn’t have been fully useful. They play you people all day long, and you don’t even know you’re making a noise.

Once, Collect Scrap Metal; Now, Wear A Mask: When Is UK Government Going To Pay For Its Crime?

395538 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to PWL, 5, #1260 of 1834 🔗

From one report I read it sounded like they were testing him repeatedly until they got a positive result.

395548 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to ThomasT, 4, #1261 of 1834 🔗

Yes. From what I can gather, the assumption is “must have ‘Covid-19′”, then they don’t rest until one of their dodgy tests proves it.

395645 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PWL, 3, #1262 of 1834 🔗

They play you people all day long , and you don’t even know you’re making a noise.

Interesting to see you still posting your links here.

https://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/new-study-acknowledges-increased-levels-of-ace2-as-factor-in-contracting-covid-19-who-will-take-any-notice/

If you sustain Lockdownsceptics.org in its operation in any shape or form, you are a fool.

This fool wants to know, so why are you still posting links to your stuff here? Struggling for traffic?

395542 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 7, #1263 of 1834 🔗

Ginger nut!

So the snp in the middle of a so called unprecedented national health crisis set out its round map to an illegal second independence referendum.

In the meantime, those still in touch with economic reality, reported that the costs of scottish independence would be two to three times greater than the impact from brexit, and that joining the european union would do little to offset that cost [ apart from removing the sovereignty of scotland! ]

The snp response – there no reason why scotland cannot emulate the success of other countries of a similar size.

Pass the ginger nuts around for the rest of 2021 in scotland as its going to be one hell of a shit show!

Scottish independence: trading costs calculated – BBC News

395556 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to tony rattray, 6, #1264 of 1834 🔗

Krankie’s aff her heid.

395553 PWL, replying to PWL, 4, #1265 of 1834 🔗

When the criminal Hancock says that 10 million people have been vaccinated, he’s not wrong, because very few of those 10 million shots have been a second dose within the required 21 days of the first – rendering the vaccine more pointless than it already was.

No UK Government Vaccine Triumph Suggests No Culling Of The Over-80s, Actually

395598 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PWL, 1, #1266 of 1834 🔗

Actually, BionTech/Pfizer never examined in their trial if a 2nd dose is more effective.
They assume this how other medication is working.
Even the EMA has questioned this.
I got this information by watching Coronaauschuss no37 with Dr Schmidt-Krueger for the 2ne time today and taking notes. She read the paperwork that was provided as the “licensing” process.

395608 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mutineer, 4, #1268 of 1834 🔗

Indeed. Powerful stuff.

395698 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mutineer, -4, #1269 of 1834 🔗

Actually, the forecast that :

doctors-and-nurses-giving-the-covid-19-vaccine-will-be-tried-as-war-criminals

… is totally delusional. Not a good look.

395907 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, #1270 of 1834 🔗

I can’t comment on legal matters such as that – don’t known enough about it. But his take down of the Lammys of this world was spot on.

396190 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TJN, 1, #1271 of 1834 🔗

I was picking up on the overstatement, not the underlying sentiment.

396283 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, #1272 of 1834 🔗

Very fair comment – I too thought the concept of nurses and doctors being tried as war criminals seemed hyperbolic, but I just don’t know enough about the law to comment. I do seem to recall medical liability being discussed ATL a little while ago on here though.

Don’t know if you’ll see this now.

395948 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1273 of 1834 🔗

I think he says such things because he can’t bare to see events unfold as they are. I am convinced Hancock will see jail. Otherwise we have lost the battle and this world has disappeared forever

396191 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #1274 of 1834 🔗

I note the sloppy down votes that express confused wishful thinking rather than rational thought.

Of course that statement is rubbish. For a start – there’s no war in the legal sense – the rest of the phrase is just as baseless. It’s just wanking.

395560 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 58, #1275 of 1834 🔗

I had The Call from the doctor’s surgery this afternoon. A bright voice asked, Is this bluemoon? Yes, I answered equally brightly. Well, continued the bright voice, I’d like to invite you in for the covid vaccine. No thank you I said, still brightly. And her voice changed: Oh. Well, I don’t suppose you’d like to think about it? – she sounded weary. No thank you I said firmly. Oh well I’ll put you down as refused, still that weary tone.
And I wondered, did that weariness arise because she’d been getting so many refusals? I do hope so.

395566 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to bluemoon, 4, #1276 of 1834 🔗

Probably, good!

395603 ▶▶ Keencook, replying to bluemoon, 9, #1277 of 1834 🔗

I bumped into my Dr walking last week (she has recently had her first baby and I don’t expect her to be back at work) so I asked if she was. Well she said, yes I’m doing the vaccinations. We will be calling you soon. Oh, I said, I’m definitely in no hurry – not for another year or so – which went right over her head – which vaccine have you been using? She said they had both AZ and Pfizer & thought the news on the new Johnson and Johnson one was encouraging but she didn’t think the NHS had a contract to supply? So like so many on this site, I am not anti-vac – but I have read about some nasty side reactions (and know one or two oldies round here who have been quite poorly for a short time afterwards). I’ve also read – and may have misunderstood – it can be very serious if you meet the virus after the vaccination as it sort of over-reacts? I imagine it is a hyper immune response effect but I’m not a medic? But if I cannot travel unless I can prove I’ve had the bloody thing I may think again. And my risk of being poorly anyway is vanishingly small (even though I’m not young) and what is more I’m very prepared to take that risk. So why would I want a vaccine? This whole sorry saga is getting worse.

395688 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Keencook, 9, #1278 of 1834 🔗

Banning people from travel counts as coercion. I’m almost sure.

After WW2 we were desperate to ‘never let this happen again’. So Europe set up numerous human rights organisations, including the Council of Europe. The legislation dating from then would I think ban any forced vaccination or a rule that you must be vaccinated to go on a plane or boat.

Exceptions I expect might include USA or Australia. Those countries are outside the European Convention on Human Rights and have distinctly authoritarian histories, despite being ‘democracies’.

I discovered that a 75 year old friend of a friend has never been vaccinated for anything. Her parents, who lived into their late 90s, never were either. In effect, she and they are/were conscientious objectors. Now I know about vitamin D, I fail to see the point in flu or COVID jabs either.

395700 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John001, 4, #1279 of 1834 🔗

Its discrimination so can be fought against.

395640 ▶▶ mj, replying to bluemoon, 6, #1280 of 1834 🔗

i just received a text .. the surgery is doing vaxes.. i will get a call. dont phone them as they need to keep phone lines free for patients with medical needs. really.. ? usually when i call with a non covid medical need no one answers

395703 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to bluemoon, 8, #1281 of 1834 🔗

In fact, I feel sad for all those people being murdered – and somehow guilty, as if there’s something I haven’t thought of that I could and should be doing to prevent it. I know we always like to curse the ‘sheeple’, who are responsible for bringing us all down with them, but they don’t deserve to be murdered for the crime of being stupid. An aunt and uncle of mine were done yesterday, both have always been annoyingly stupid, but I feel strangely horrified at the thought that they probably won’t be here this time next year (according to Dolores Cahill, it can take a year or even longer for the chance encounter with a wild pathogen which will trigger the catastrophic auto-immune response, which will quickly lead to organ failure) Vernon Coleman broke down in tears in his last video in the attempt to enumerate the vaccine deaths to date

395753 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #1282 of 1834 🔗

It’s not as if we haven’t tried to warn them and reach out to them. Jesus, I’ve begged my family and certain friends to listen. I’ve wept down the phone. I’ve sent articles. I’ve sent stats. I’ve sent information about All the big pharma scandals of recent times. I’ve sent data, charts, Vit C, zinc, Ivermectin trial data. But “government knows best”. While we are told repeatedly that we have to do things to “protect others” (keep distance, isolate, mask up, work from home, avoid all intimacy), in the end, as we know, everyone makes their OWN choice when it comes to “staying safe”. They’ve been TOLD these experimental drugs are safe… their choice! No sympathy! But if they fucking DARE start trying to “vaccinate” innocent children… there will be WAR!

395772 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to bluemoon, 5, #1283 of 1834 🔗

I’m mid-thirty. Here in NY supposedly rich people are trampling over the poor in a rush for the coveted vaccine. There’s a shortage! There’s a crisis! Rich people, stop hogging, let the poor have some too, this is cruel, Joe Biden, come in here and bring some equity fast! Etcetera.

Anyway, I go to my doc for routine stuff. I’m healthy and “not essential” (my good luck to be in tourism) and the doctor offers me the vaccine. I was floored. I said “wasn’t there a shortage?” And he only smiles coyly. I press but he only smiles and says “yes, no?” I said not hanks, but goodness know what that is supposed to mean. They’re all lying to our faces and I’m waiting to wake up from the yearlong dream.

395827 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to janejakobs, 2, #1284 of 1834 🔗

Don’t you mean yearlong nightmare? Good for you refusing the “vaccine.” I did read about the wealthier people in the US jumping the line. Aren’t these the same mask-wearing virtue signallers who think we’re all in this together? The members of the Zoomocracy who depend on the essential workers who deliver everything to their door so they can shelter in place and “stay safe”? They deserve every adverse reaction in the book. These people make me sick, though in this case I believe they’re preventing bad outcomes in the very people they’re trying to screw over.

395568 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, -51, #1285 of 1834 🔗

I am not a denier of the virus.I am of the lockdown.
What I do believe is that some people on here need to understand the only way out of this shit,is the vaccine.End of.
Regardless if you have it or not,once 20 million are done,restrictions must be lifted.I understand some maybe in place for a time but as bill tosser gates said,back in April,we will need to vaccinate the whole world.
People around the world are having this done,if, many pepl6 said no,this would continue for 1 yr,2 yrs.

395572 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Dartford44, 31, #1286 of 1834 🔗

Well, I am not risking serious illness by taking such a noxious substance so you can blame me for the Forever Lockdown.

395581 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Londo Mollari, 16, #1287 of 1834 🔗

Me too.

395576 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dartford44, 38, #1288 of 1834 🔗

Thank you No.77. Your time is up. 🙂

395671 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, 11, #1289 of 1834 🔗

Until quite recently, the trolling on this site has been subtle. They’re piling in now.

395684 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 10, #1290 of 1834 🔗

I didn’t read it as trolling but either way I think it reminds us of an important point – many people believe we will get back to normal with a vaccine, but the signs are not good for that – need to drum this into people

395725 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to RickH, 9, #1291 of 1834 🔗

Heard a rumour that 77s are deliberately writing without due care to punctuation or grammar as a sort of silent protest, poor sods!

395743 ▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #1292 of 1834 🔗

I thought it was the combination of dreadful education plus poor recruitment.

395771 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1293 of 1834 🔗

Normally they write like right stuck up twats, writing as if they have a plum in their mouth and using the longest and most unknown word possible try and indicate some kind of gravitas. When in fact they are pimple faced nerd wanna be software developers who just didn’t have the talent, so they joined up to practice their evil genius on their brother man.

395578 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Dartford44, 9, #1294 of 1834 🔗

It will continue as they keep ramping up the fear with ‘new strain’. They’ve already said restrictions will not be lifted so it could go on, and on and on.

395579 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dartford44, 30, #1295 of 1834 🔗

Vallance has said “the vaccine is not doing the heavy lifting”
Whitty has talked about restrictions needed next winter
Hancock has gone nuts over “mutations”
Pharma companies talking about creating mutation-beating vaccines later in the year
Borders closed to keep out mutant strains
No timetable for getting back to normal
Zero chance of anything better than Tier 2 or 3 this summer

Do you really think the vaccine is going to get us out of this? I hope you’re right, but doubt it

395590 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #1296 of 1834 🔗

And take a look at this cribbed from JohnDanny further down. Seen enough yet?

Institute for Government:
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:50f01906-a074-441b-916c-445b0842d001

‘Life after coronavirus will not feel like life before. It is best that governments acknowledge that and start planning now in order to capture the best that can come out of a very tough period while not raising expectations that life will suddenly snap back to an almost forgotten normal.’

‘[T]he virus will mutate, and, almost certainly, strains resistant to current vaccines will emerge.’

‘One vision of the future…is that countries have to ‘learn to live’ with the virus in its changing forms…’

‘Social distancing and masks may have to remain in some contexts. Pressure for vaccination passports may well grow.’

‘Governments will have to find ways of explaining to people how to live with a degree of risk.’

‘A web of rules on quarantine, vaccination…is likely to remain.’

395685 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 13, #1297 of 1834 🔗

No the vaccine will not get us out of this. We are being ‘programmed’ and the sooner people realise this and fight back the better.

395695 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1298 of 1834 🔗

I think it’s best to assume this for now

There’s a chance that public pressure and the desire to revive the economy might lead the PM to push back against SAGE and the other loonies pushing zero-covid, but it’s not promising

395716 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 5, #1299 of 1834 🔗

Whose desire to revive the economy? The Government are printing money as if they were on a promise; and the idea of the economy as something which has real, tangible consequences on everybody’s lives seems simply not to compute with most people. As you say, it’s not promising.

395720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #1300 of 1834 🔗

Well, yes, you’re probably right

Just a wild hope that the PM wants to be re-electable – or someone in the Tory Party does

395767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 2, #1301 of 1834 🔗

I was hopeful that the CRG got assurances from Fatty that restrictions will be lifted in return for going along with the latest, pointless lockdown. I am less hopeful now as I thought fatty would have brought forward the return to school this evening but it doesn’t look like it.

395774 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 3, #1302 of 1834 🔗

restrictions will be lifted ” Some will be, sooner or later, but we’re a million miles away from normal

The CRG keep waiting

395714 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #1303 of 1834 🔗

I’ve heard this so many times today. Several elderly customers proudly proclaiming that they have had the vaccine and they look forward to getting back to normal. It’s heartbreaking.

395592 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Dartford44, 27, #1304 of 1834 🔗

Ok, I’ll take the vaccine, once all of the proper animal and human trials are complete.

Let me know how you get on beta testing an unlicenced, untrialled, unproven gene therapy treatment with zero available data on long term effects, created by some of the biggest scumbags on the planet who have full legal indemnity…….

Good luck, moron, you’re gonna fucking need it.

395647 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #1305 of 1834 🔗

They skipped the animal trials.The human trials finish in 2023

395669 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1306 of 1834 🔗

at which point it will be job done, – genocide achieved

395681 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1307 of 1834 🔗

No – it’s simply ‘Loads o’ money’ achieved.

395593 ▶▶ John001, replying to Dartford44, 11, #1308 of 1834 🔗

Sweden, Belarus, Florida, Tanzania, Japan and Taiwan seem to have had it sweep through long ago. A vaccine seems utterly irrelevant in Japan in particularly since few are getting ill. Ivor Cummins quoted very high vitamin D levels, hence herd immunity in Greater Tokyo (5x the size of London) without many deaths.

If Spain and Italy would advise people to get more sun and not stay out of it all the time they wouldn’t be so vitamin D-deficient. The diet itself there is pretty healthy … look at the low obesity rates compared to UK.

395607 ▶▶ tazzy, replying to Dartford44, 6, #1309 of 1834 🔗

Need to start treating those ill with Ivermectin, HQC etc too. Recommending Vitamin D and zinc – anything that can help us fight the virus. Relying on vaccines that are still on trial is madness and we need to lose the hysteria – regain some perspective and live while we can.

395610 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Dartford44, 11, #1310 of 1834 🔗

The only way out is to stop promoting mass experimental gene therapy for mild influenza like virus and give people vit D and promote cheap/safe/effective drugs like ivermectin.

395613 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dartford44, -17, #1311 of 1834 🔗

I see you lot are shooting the messenger again… well done, geniuses.

Dartford is right. No matter now stupid or wrong or dangerous or immoral, the govt isn’t going to lift restrictions until a critical mass of people are jabbed. There’ll be plenty enough headroom of unvaxxed people for all of us awkward bastards to refuse, but if they can’t break 20M, we’re in this shit forever.

Equally, while it may be evil or whatever, expect international travel to be made impossible in the medium term for the unvaxxed.

It’s wrong, but it’s still likely to be proven true.

395620 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, 20, #1312 of 1834 🔗

Well, keep lockdown going then, I’m not going to crack, let’s see who blinks first, shall we. Bring it on.

395659 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, -8, #1313 of 1834 🔗

Neither Dartford or I is advocating for the lockdown in any way.

Statement of the situation is not an endorsement of the situation.

Like I said, there’ll be plenty of headroom for us to rebuff the offer of an experimental concoction, but we are a tiny minority. If vax refusal becomes a mass movement, we could have problems.

395668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 14, #1314 of 1834 🔗

If vax refusal becomes a mass movement, we could have problems.” As stated above, we have problems anyway. It’s clear the TPTB have little intention of getting back to normal, ever. Normal will only come back when people realise this has been madness.

395626 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 3, #1315 of 1834 🔗

they won’t have to lift restrictions when everybody is vaccinated because everyone will be dead.

395643 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1316 of 1834 🔗

Come on now… don’t be daft. Only 80% will be dead.

The rest of us will be able to spread out a bit.

395691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to AidanR, 2, #1317 of 1834 🔗

Who’s to say you won’t be one of the dead?

395705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1318 of 1834 🔗

Well, I won’t be getting the jab, so surely the odds are on my side, right?

395648 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 11, #1319 of 1834 🔗

I think the point is that there are strong signs that restrictions will not be lifted even after mass vaccination – I have cited some examples of that above

It won’t be much better than Tier 2 or 3 EVER – and then only in summer

So taking the vaccine so we get back to normal isn’t going to work and is not a good reason to have it

If it meant we get back to 2019 normal and never spoke of covid again I might just welcome vaccine acceptance (though there is still the question of learning lessons for next time) but I really think it is deluded to believe this will happen, so I think it’s better for the whole thing to explode

395693 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, 4, #1320 of 1834 🔗

You make a good point, and I don’t disagree, but once people are vaxxed, their current pretense will be gone. If restrictions then persist, Joe Normie’s light at the end of the tunnel – which is currently keeping him toeing the line – will go out.

Then it’ll be the government and the police who’ll have a problem if they don’t seriously reassess their approach to all this.

And perhaps still nothing will happen, but until the milestone of vaxxings has been passed, we will never know.

395706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, #1321 of 1834 🔗

That may be how it plays out but I’d rather cut to the chase

Whoever I talk to I try to impress upon them the moving target nature of the deception

Doesn’t do much bloody good but one has to try

395848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to AidanR, 1, #1322 of 1834 🔗

Just wheel on the risks of ultra dangerous new mutants, and on it goes.

One of the drug mobs are promising to update their vaccine ‘quickly ‘. Which means end of this year. Restrictions until then. And then another mutant onslaught.

With better weather, need to take to the streets.

Best Hope’s is that other countries are leading the way. This government (and opposition) is totally shot.

395755 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to AidanR, 9, #1323 of 1834 🔗

You know what? We were told the EXACT SAME thing about the masks. “Yeah, it might not be great, but it’s what it takes to open up.”

I didn’t believe it then, I definitely don’t believe it now. How stupid are we supposed to be here?

395793 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to janejakobs, #1324 of 1834 🔗

We, here, are not. Well, mostly.

Joe Normal who watches BBC news and reads the Mail? Evidently very very stupid indeed.

395818 ▶▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to AidanR, 3, #1325 of 1834 🔗

In NY masks were sold as the key to reopening, and indeed, it now works sort of like a passport. Compliance in the streets is 100%. So some things are open, but all if on the condition that you take a trowel, dig out your soul, flush it down the toilet and gauge out your eyes. It’s not reopening – it’s just a new incarnation of the madness.

And now we had nearly two feet of snow, the sidewalks are shoveled very narrowly, so you should see the ways people jump into mountains of snow to avoid the other person. It’s all a variation of the insanity.

395993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to janejakobs, -1, #1326 of 1834 🔗

And is everyone like “hey hey hey, I’m coughing here!”? 😀

395811 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to AidanR, 2, #1327 of 1834 🔗

I hear you AidanR. I won’t be getting the vaccine but I really can’t be arsed bothering to inform the consent of idiots. If healthy people, of child bearing age, are stupid enough to take this shit maybe them breeding is not such a good idea anyway. If enough people over 50 choose to take it so I don’t have to then all well and good.

395995 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Will, #1328 of 1834 🔗

I quite agree.

395641 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Dartford44, 7, #1329 of 1834 🔗

77

395783 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Dartford44, 2, #1330 of 1834 🔗

Do you believe the vaccine is necessary medically? If so, would you still support it if it were proved to kill some people?
How much collateral damage is acceptable?

395570 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, -2, #1331 of 1834 🔗

https://www.startpage.com/do/search

Is the coronavirus a DNA altering germ? Looks like it. Are the two vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, reverse-engineered coronavirus germs?

395580 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1332 of 1834 🔗

Even if not, RNA can affect DNA expression.

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-rna-effect-dna.html

395599 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1333 of 1834 🔗

Amazon’s sales in the UK soared 51pc to $26.4bn (£19.3bn) during 2020 as lockdowns caused a boom in e-commerce.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/02/03/jeff-bezos-elon-musk-step-rivalry-amid-focus-blue-origin-live/ (Paywall)

UK was apparently the fastest growing region for them – hope Jeff Bezos remembers to personally thanks Boris for such a gift.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/amazon-e2-80-99s-uk-sales-surge-to-c2-a320bn-thanks-to-lockdown-boom/ar-BB1dmkb2

395674 ▶▶ RickH, replying to theanalyst, 5, #1334 of 1834 🔗

Yes. The wealth transfer strategy is working well.

395740 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 7, #1335 of 1834 🔗

So why aren’t your mates on the left, like Corbyn, Abbott and Burgon highlighting it rather than trying to lead us down the road to the ruin of zero covid?

396182 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, #1336 of 1834 🔗

Oh FFS – not more dimwitted ‘ Whataboutery ‘! Write and ask them.

Why ‘my mates’? An assumption from a simple mind. You’ll find no defense from me of anyone promulgating the Covid myths; but in general political terms, I’m more concerned with the dominant ideology that emerged in the Thatcher era and led ineluctably to this consequence.

395735 ▶▶ iansn, replying to theanalyst, 1, #1337 of 1834 🔗

send to Joris Bohnson 30-12-13 12549867

395601 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 84, #1338 of 1834 🔗

For me the heroes are the people who stood up and said this is wrong

For me the heroes are the ones who demonstrated and stood their ground when the police attacked them

For me the heroes are Yeadon, Heneghan, Gupta, Dolan and others

For me the heroes are the ones who had the moral courage to stand against tyranny

395619 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1339 of 1834 🔗

Yes indeed. We’ll make a roll of honour.
I’d add our very own kh.

395654 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, 16, #1340 of 1834 🔗

Yes she’s well and truly walked the walk. God bless her.

395677 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1341 of 1834 🔗

Absolutely!! I am keeping records and will document every one!

395739 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1342 of 1834 🔗

So true!

395719 ▶▶ richmond, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1344 of 1834 🔗

I thought it was supposed to be the teachers who were at risk from having to associate with the children?

395624 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 6, #1345 of 1834 🔗

So, the old dear and her friends (late 70s early 80s) have all had their first jabs now.

The ones who had the Pfister one reported tiredness on day 1 but nothing other than that.

The ones who had AZ reported quite bad headaches on day 1 but nothing other than that.

One of the AZers asked why she’d been given that one when everyone else had the Pfister one. She was told that they’re giving the AZ one to people with certain underlying conditions.

395672 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AidanR, 1, #1346 of 1834 🔗

So they clearly know there’s an issue. Did they say which underlying conditions?

395683 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1347 of 1834 🔗

Lupus I think. Full on with chemo treatment.

395723 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AidanR, 1, #1348 of 1834 🔗

Thanks, Aidan. 🙂

Lupus. Of course; it’s an autoimmune disease.

Just speculating here. I wonder is some people with other autoimmune diseases are being given the Pfizer jab ‘in error’. It could explain some deaths.

As I say, just speculation on my part.

395782 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1349 of 1834 🔗

It’s a good point. Food for thought indeed.

395765 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AidanR, 1, #1350 of 1834 🔗

An aunt had the AZ and experienced bad headaches for a day too. No wonder chimps hold their heads a lot.

395627 mj, replying to mj, 2, #1351 of 1834 🔗

and yes – Burnley v City and Fulham v have both done applause for Captain Tom
I guess he Captained Burnley just after the war before his transfer to fulham .. right winger i think

Wtf!!!! commentatoor says – just when we needed a hero

395630 ▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 2, #1352 of 1834 🔗

and then they take the knee.

395715 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to mj, 3, #1353 of 1834 🔗

Not much time left for the game, then?

395631 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 8, #1354 of 1834 🔗

One lone clapper here. Heard a weird noise and wondered what the hell it was, checked the clock and realised …. Despair.

395637 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to kh1485, 4, #1355 of 1834 🔗

No clapping at all here – specifically went outside to check…

395653 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to mj, 2, #1356 of 1834 🔗

White Lives Matter Burnley?

395687 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Luckyharry69, #1357 of 1834 🔗

everyone will do it tonight…… dont want to be seen not to .. and Burnley need to continue apologising for their supporter for ever .

395813 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to mj, #1358 of 1834 🔗

Football fandom always was a vast reservoir of emotionally incontinent simpletons.

395884 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, #1359 of 1834 🔗

They could not be induced to take the knee, so maybe this is a psyop that suits them.

395989 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Waldorf, #1360 of 1834 🔗

When all you’ve got is a neurosis, everything looks like a psyop.

395633 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 8, #1361 of 1834 🔗

Had to open the bedroom window wide, and strain my ears, but could only hear one solitary seal/sheep clapping in the distance.

395639 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Matt The Cat, 6, #1362 of 1834 🔗

I tried to clap by I already had a clenched fist in the air.

395678 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 317 of lockdown), replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1363 of 1834 🔗

I sold my hands recently otherwise would have joined in enthusiastically.

395634 DomW, replying to DomW, 12, #1364 of 1834 🔗

Fuck me I picked a bad time to leave the house. Moronic seals everywhere clapping for an old man who died of old age.

395646 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DomW, 8, #1365 of 1834 🔗

Not a single clap.

395657 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1366 of 1834 🔗

Sadly there were many round my way. Mercifully brief but I swear my blood pressure is still way over normal.

395649 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #1367 of 1834 🔗

Heard what sounded like one individual clapping for about 30 seconds. People are tired of this.

395666 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1368 of 1834 🔗

Nobody clapped on my street. And we were fairly enthusiastic clappers back in the day… (small Northern town)

395796 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #1369 of 1834 🔗

Back in the spring it was ten minutes worth every bloody time here (West Midlands), Not me, obviously.

395828 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1370 of 1834 🔗

Good evening Jo,

My wife, daughter & I walked to our local Waitrose for some air and pick up something for dinner.

My daughter and I waited outside looking at the stars (me banging on about light pollution and dark skies in Madeira & Pembrokeshire!)

My wife finished the shop and came out saying, 3 young female members of staff had started clapping vigorously at 6pm in the dairy aisle and everyone in-store ignored them. She just walked off to the bread & pastries section, but overhead one saying nobody is doing it outside.

She didn’t have a clue about it and to be honest, I had completely forgotten the time but it would suggest that the masses are not having it.

Best wishes

Simon

395864 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo Starlin, #1371 of 1834 🔗

Also sounded like just one on my street. It wasn’t the two young kids and their mum next door who were enthusiastic clappers in the earlier days of it.

395655 DRW, 16, #1372 of 1834 🔗

Oh come on LS surely you can write a better headline than just parroting the bloody Saint Tom sobfest? Thankfully I’ve been quite busy today to keep my mind off the Saint Diana sequel as someone else here put it. My parents’ wedding was a few weeks after that and I was told certain relatives wanted it delayed “cause Diana” to which my late mum said “well we never knew her you bloody numpties!” Sheeples even back then.

Urgh! Just heard the clapcrap’s back round here if only at a reduced level and volume. Soon rectified with headphones though!

395656 Luckyharry69, 5, #1373 of 1834 🔗

welcome to Blairland……..

395658 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 7, #1374 of 1834 🔗

Opened the window yes skme morons on my street were clapping.
The shame.

395670 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sodastream, 5, #1375 of 1834 🔗

You should move! 😁

395660 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1376 of 1834 🔗

I counted them and there were 8,247 people out clapping in our street

(well they started it)

395675 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1377 of 1834 🔗

Sounded like all the one-armed people on my street were clapping.

(There was 1 woman and a dog with a squeaky toy)

395882 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to AidanR, #1378 of 1834 🔗

Dead silence here.

395680 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1379 of 1834 🔗

? Wednesday? Some new nonsense? We’ve just had 4 fireworks go off but we put it down to random kids messing. It made me go to the front door, I couldn’t see anything but I hope that doesn’t count as me supporting something

395721 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1380 of 1834 🔗

Bad news: it does. You’ll soon see your pic on the front page of the Daily Mirror.*

*Does that still exist?

395689 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1381 of 1834 🔗

Not a smidgeon of a clap here.

395750 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1382 of 1834 🔗

About 30% here.

395662 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #1383 of 1834 🔗

I’m very wary of general stories about the ‘culling’ of patients via the NHS – particularly since I have seen/had extensive and excellent treatment at first hand from first rate staff. Such generalisations don’t compute, even though the managerial and political failures in handling the virus have been immense.

But a friend of mine – also with no other criticisms – did have a weird experience in a conversation with one consultant, which made her wonder about what sort of stuff was being handed down by the senior (politicized) layers of management.

He was admitted via A&E to a coronary unit following a serious episode of atrial fibrillation and fast heart rate. He also has slow-growing metastases from earlier cancer – on both lungs – that are untreatable and ultimately terminal, but at present asymptomatic, and which currently, after 3 years, do not have any impact on his well-being.

He was amazed, given the reason for his admission and his current easonable quality of life to be asked whether he had considered a DNR by one of the Cardiac consultants.

May be just a rogue specialist with the inappropriate subtlety of a lump-hammer (no other individual had been so off-key). But it was inappropriately odd, and did make him wonder about underlying shifts of medical ethics in some susceptible quarters.

395676 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 10, #1384 of 1834 🔗

Do you remember the Liverpool Care Pathway?

395682 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to leggy, 13, #1385 of 1834 🔗

Yes. I kicked up six shades of shit- which came as a surprise to the staff who had only seen my urbane side- to get my Mum off it. But I take your point- in retrospect, it seems to have been the precursor of an agenda.

395919 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1386 of 1834 🔗

Sinister doesn’t even come close to describing it. Glad you rescued your Mum.

395710 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to leggy, 1, #1387 of 1834 🔗

130,000 in one year.

395726 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to leggy, 1, #1388 of 1834 🔗

I live on it in Birkenhead 🙂

395727 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 5, #1389 of 1834 🔗

They put my dad on it.
I will never, never, never forgive them for that.

395789 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, #1391 of 1834 🔗

This was excellent — worth a read.

395679 NickR, replying to NickR, 27, #1393 of 1834 🔗

I’ve posted this before but the more I think about it the more shocking it becomes.
If you add the ONS total for age standardised deaths in 2 year pairs, 2019 + 2020, etc you find that, after 2019’s record low flu deaths & exceptionally mild winter there was a lot of, what others have called, ‘dry tinder’ about, elderly, vulnerable people who, against the odds had survived the winter.
2019 + 2020 deaths were only 0.5% higher than 2015 + 2016. That’s a delta of about 25,000.
Given that the NHS was on short rations, about 100,000 cancer diagnoses were missed, god knows how many heart attack victims didn’t get to A&E inside 8 minutes and there was undoubtedly a huge toll from neglected people in care homes who weren’t being badgered to keep their fluids up, it’s remarkable that the difference is so small.

395702 ▶▶ richmond, replying to NickR, 1, #1394 of 1834 🔗

Excellent post.

Can you define what age-standardised means, in simple terms?

395722 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to richmond, 2, #1395 of 1834 🔗

Google it there is an excellent page by you know W.H.O.

395732 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NickR, 6, #1396 of 1834 🔗

Many thanks for all the work you do on the stats, it does help me to have the confidence to go on twitter and assert that looking strategically and long term, deaths are not a problem. Indeed looking at the picture altogether I cannot see a problem, the NHS is busy but patient numbers are dropping back a bit and all seems manageable, as you point out deaths are not running at a level whereby draconian public health action is justified, so why is all this nonsense still going on?

  1. Fear of what might happen if we ‘let up’?
  2. The Government have go addicted to mandatory public health action and cannot just give up even though all the signs say it is time to pack up the circus and go home?
  3. There is a sinister sub-plot that goes far beyond Public Health?
395770 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to NickR, 3, #1397 of 1834 🔗

And, as you will know, hospitals cleared at no notice in March 2020, resulting in thousands of care home deaths (documented by the Amnesty International Care Homes report referenced above)

Great numbers. Thanks.

395690 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 20, #1398 of 1834 🔗

According to the BBC in tonight’s show, when asked by a “journalist” about vaccine hesitancy:

Boris said : “You should have confidence. It is a great thing to have a vaccine.”
Whitty said : “there will always be a “noisy” minority of people who disagree with things but that the overwhelming majority are taking the threat from the virus seriously and back the vaccine.”

—————————————————————————————————–
That’s really reassuring then FFS. How long will it be before any of these journos ask why there is no published data on vaccine adverse reactions?

395697 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1399 of 1834 🔗

that seems like fake news from Johnson & Whitty

395742 ▶▶ davews, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1400 of 1834 🔗

Further to my earlier post, I see from Big Dave’s Crossword Blog that there are no fewer than four commentators who are reporting serious effects after the jab, particularly from the AZ.

395856 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to godowneasy, #1401 of 1834 🔗

So now we decide whether a vaccine is ‘safe’ (they never are totally safe, of course – nothing is) by a vote? A vote after some of the most sustained and evil propaganda ever?

It’s not just the post-democratic age, its the post-scientific age

395692 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 21, #1403 of 1834 🔗

Weeping on GMTV, clapping in the street, this must be a social experiment to see how dumb the nation is, got to be.

395696 ▶▶ richmond, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1404 of 1834 🔗

They haven’t started clapping again, have they? Surely not?

395699 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to richmond, 12, #1405 of 1834 🔗

According to the DM about 90 million were out clapping

395741 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1406 of 1834 🔗

Of which 45 million drowned in a river of tears.

395733 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to richmond, 2, #1407 of 1834 🔗

where have you been hiding ? tonight we have to clap for Captain Tom

395784 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to mj, 3, #1408 of 1834 🔗

Isn’t he out in space somewhere?

395797 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to mj, 1, #1409 of 1834 🔗

Well, I avoid reading the MSM for reasons of retaining my personal sanity, so I do miss stuff!

395717 iansn, replying to iansn, 5, #1410 of 1834 🔗

Damn its 6.27 and I’ve been busy. I missed the clap what must I do to atone/

395731 ▶▶ davews, replying to iansn, 5, #1411 of 1834 🔗

Well I looked at the clock and realised it was 6.15. Damn, missed the clap (in other words if it happened here I heard nothing..)

395736 ▶▶ Annie, replying to iansn, 7, #1412 of 1834 🔗

You grovel. You say fifty Hail Tommies and kiss the statue of Wankok.

395799 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Annie, #1413 of 1834 🔗

god bless us and preserve us that is some punishment

396048 ▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Annie, #1414 of 1834 🔗

lol

395745 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to iansn, 4, #1415 of 1834 🔗

100 claps round the garden should do it.

395849 ▶▶ Edward, replying to iansn, 1, #1416 of 1834 🔗

I was really unfortunate. I said earlier today that I would turn up the sound on the TV if I heard anyone clapping. Someone did, just at the moment when Talking Pictures TV had a few seconds without sound, while displaying their routine warning that the following programme might contain some attitudes and language which some [idiots] today might find offensive.

395853 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to iansn, #1417 of 1834 🔗

Leave all your worldly goods to the NHS when you go.

395879 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to iansn, #1418 of 1834 🔗

Down a large bottle of whisky/gin or similar, do a heil and quote George Orwell liberally!

395724 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1419 of 1834 🔗

This is outrageous…
Nigel Farage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKa0q4Xh_Ds
I have been drawing attention to Napier Barracks and other such camps for some time. You won’t believe what’s happened now…

Write to Priti Patel, the Home Secretary here : withammp@parliament.uk

395764 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 28, #1420 of 1834 🔗

So, let me get this straight. You can commit actual criminal damage and arson and the police just stand there and watch yet you can give someone a drink on a bench and feel the full force of the authorities come crashing down upon you.

What a pissing awful country this has become (s’cuse language but if even the good Dr Coleman thinks it’s justifiable, so do I).

395825 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to kh1485, 1, #1421 of 1834 🔗

Yes, especially when you realise that Priti Awful was a shrill for the tobacco industry.

395729 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #1422 of 1834 🔗

Well – call me an old cynic, but why have only four people signed this petition since lunchtime today?
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/555177

395746 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Banjones, 5, #1423 of 1834 🔗

In my case because you have only just let me know about it, now duly signed, total now up to 496.

395748 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1424 of 1834 🔗

Ditto.497.
Come on, folks, strike a blow against the maskoids.

395778 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, 5, #1425 of 1834 🔗

Signing a flatlining petition on a government website is not striking a blow against anyone. It’s pointless.

Sorry, I know you mean well but it’s true.

395757 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Banjones, 3, #1426 of 1834 🔗

I love a petition, but isn’t it already illegal to challenge people not wearing masks?

395769 ▶▶ davews, replying to Banjones, 1, #1427 of 1834 🔗

Well I was one of the four. I was disappointed to see the count so low.

395775 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Banjones, 5, #1428 of 1834 🔗

Maybe because everyone has signed so many petitions in the last 10 months that they’re sick of it and have finally twigged that it’s completely futile.

395794 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to AidanR, 2, #1429 of 1834 🔗

government has announced it wont reply to any, so what’s the fucking point?

396004 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to iansn, #1430 of 1834 🔗

We have no government- just a bunch of bullies and thieves trying to grab our lunch money before the headmaster comes..

396089 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Banjones, #1431 of 1834 🔗

It’s crept up to 529 now. I agree with other posters that it’s fairly pointless but it only takes a few seconds and it’s better than not signing it.

395730 janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, 6, #1432 of 1834 🔗

Just put together a podcast episode with my views on how the technological mindset is reorganizing society, and is especially at the core of the lockdowns and move to the virtual. Thought I’d share it here in case it might interest some of you.

395749 ▶▶ Jo, replying to janejakobs, 2, #1433 of 1834 🔗

Thanks – have bookmarked and look forward to reading – it is a topic I have been pondering for a while now.

395999 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jo, #1434 of 1834 🔗

Have you seen the Patrick Wood / James Delingpole video from yesterday?

395737 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #1435 of 1834 🔗

More food for the independent public enquiry.

England has had the worst health outcomes Jan 2020-Jan 2021 of any country in Europe:

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1356942597282025473?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

This is a scandal of monumental proportions.

‘Between 2 March and 12 June 2020, 18,562 residents of care homes in England died with COVID-19, including 18,168 people aged 65 and over, representing almost 40% of all deaths involving COVID-19 in England during this period. Of these deaths, 13,844 (76%) happened in care homes themselves; nearly all of the remainder occurred in a hospital. During the same period, 28,186 “excess deaths” were recorded in care homes in England, representing a 46% increase compared with the same period in previous years.’

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/2020-10/Care%20Homes%20Report.pdf?kd5Z8eWzj8Q6ryzHkcaUnxfCtqe5Ddg6=

I have no idea when the roof is going to fall in on this government but fall in it will……

395768 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #1436 of 1834 🔗

This government nor its lackey MSM care a jot for the misery they are causing. Their bank accounts are no doubt stuffed with cash and they’ll never have to work again.

395780 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tim Bidie, #1437 of 1834 🔗

Yes – and it will take most of us with it.

395918 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Tim Bidie, #1438 of 1834 🔗

Timber!

395978 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tim Bidie, #1439 of 1834 🔗

the independent public enquiry.

I’m going to make a prediction.

The government will announce an independent public enquiry. A judge will be appointed to lead it. Various groups will assemble to protest the choice of judge. He once sent a black man to prison because waycism He once let a waypist off because he judged the victim to be insufficiently cowed. He once misgendered a brusselsproutkin

A rival independent enquiry will be launched, chaired by Harriet Harman and Lily Allen. Their office will be dubbed “The Scissor Chamber”.

Their opponents will say ‘bugger this, if she’s having an independent enquiry, we’re having one too’

By the time the number of independent inquiries has stabilised, somewhere around 11 in total, literally no-one who wears a mask today will even remember what it was about and they’ll form new allegiances depending on which of their favourite celebrity ex-footballers or actresses is on the independent independent inquiry panel.

We will still be here having the same arguments and blaming differences of opinion on the 77th brigade.

395997 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to AidanR, #1440 of 1834 🔗

If only this was true that one day we’ll look back on this and laugh at the half-remembered japes and the online banter. At this stage, do you see any sign that they’ve got any intention to let us live like we once did? No, me neither. We have to understand that they’ve got us by the throat and they’re not letting go.

396029 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jos, #1441 of 1834 🔗

We know.

395738 peter-, replying to peter-, 71, #1442 of 1834 🔗

So now there is a petition to give a state funeral to a man who walked around his garden. I repeat, a state funeral for a man who walked around his garden.

This country is finished, infested with do-gooding liberals who are devoid of common sense and the ability to put anything in to context.

These people are the future of the country and it is not pretty.

395751 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to peter-, 31, #1443 of 1834 🔗

I actually am disgusted for Tom and his family who are being USED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT…this is all part of the CON

395766 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Luckyharry69, 8, #1444 of 1834 🔗

The idea behind his charity walking was to provide funding for the NHS which the government is widely thought to have been neglecting. He died with a disease that most people are claiming the government isnt doing enough to stop. Its baffling how they can spin his death into a pro government PR stunt “clap for Tom Moore” and the masses nod along and accept it without question.

395870 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1445 of 1834 🔗

Problem: Clapping campaign not too successful was it?

395795 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Luckyharry69, 13, #1446 of 1834 🔗

Don’t hate the guy himself but the propaganda figuring is just despicable.

395878 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to DRW, 4, #1447 of 1834 🔗

It’s not a criticism of him at all. Never met the bloke, he may have been a lovely old man, could have been a closet racist for all we know. But he lived his life as he wanted to, loved his family and deserved better than having his 100th year turned in to an establishment orientated propaganda movie.

Hope he spent his time in Barbados drinking rum punch in St Lawrence Gap, would be a good way to go!!

395886 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to peter-, #1448 of 1834 🔗

I fully agree with you, should have better worded that to mean a personal context.

395924 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to peter-, 2, #1449 of 1834 🔗

He should have stayed in Barbados. He deserved it.

395952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, -4, #1450 of 1834 🔗

It’s not a criticism of him at all.

Pussy

395951 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DRW, -1, #1451 of 1834 🔗

Oh ffs, grow some balls, don’t surrender to social stigma, 100,000’s of men gave their lives defendiing our countries independence & citizens freedoms, in two world wars, this old fart literally played a major part in destroying that legacy. And don’t make fucking excuses just because he was 100.

395752 ▶▶ Annie, replying to peter-, 10, #1452 of 1834 🔗

Captain Dupe is now in the past tense and will stay that way.
Zombies never remember anything for more than a week.

395761 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Annie, #1453 of 1834 🔗

Can’t wait for the faux howling about this to stop, sure people will be duped in to something else before long.

395762 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peter-, 2, #1454 of 1834 🔗

Another Diana episode again driven by the media.

395779 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1455 of 1834 🔗

It will be the same when Attenborough pops his clogs as well.

395787 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to peter-, 1, #1456 of 1834 🔗

aaaargh not mr climate change himself. He cant say three sentences nowadays without saying how something will die ‘because of climate change’, if he goes ‘because of covid’ it will be worse, it will be on for a week, then there will be a season of repeats of his greatest works for ever

395837 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to iansn, 2, #1457 of 1834 🔗

I see he has a new thing coming out called ‘A Perfect Planet’.

As if this endlessly turbulent, violently evolving ball of rock in space was Mary Mother of God until people dropped fag ends all over it.

It’s fucking insane.

395872 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to iansn, 2, #1458 of 1834 🔗

It’s incredible how people fawn over him as if he is some global conservation pioneer. He is a mediocre voice over actor who has gained notoriety for some unbeknown reason.

395922 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iansn, #1459 of 1834 🔗

Anyone here heard Mark Windows version of David Attenbore & Greata Thunderbird?

395863 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to peter-, 3, #1460 of 1834 🔗

but he wont be due to covid.. his death will be due to global warming . maybe they will feed his corpse to some starving polar bear

396064 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to mj, #1461 of 1834 🔗

They should donate his corpse to Greta so she can fashion him in to a multi-use place to live, sled to get to school on, food/heat source etc.

395773 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to peter-, 3, #1462 of 1834 🔗

I am convinced Blair is working Johnson’s strings, the same strategy, when this ends Johnson hopes he will be a hero and get multiple terms like Blair’s war, the Diana state funeral, all things that worked in Blair’s favour.

395776 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1463 of 1834 🔗

Too young to remember Blair benefitting from the Diana nonsense, but remember the ridiculous outpouring people had for a person they had never met.

395991 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to peter-, 2, #1464 of 1834 🔗

It definitely divided the country into those who thought it was a terrible personal tragedy and were openly weeping and the hard-hearted callous bastards like me who thought it was sad and tragic but, as I didn’t personally know her, didn’t shed a tear – I remember watching Blair literally wringing his hands in a fake show of tortured despair and thinking I had never seen anything more fake (except now I have with Hancock’s crying for Shakespeare’s jab!)

395785 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1465 of 1834 🔗

Johnson is following the same globalist agenda.I don’t think he is pulling the strings.Blair has no power base he is just a messenger boy.

395816 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1466 of 1834 🔗

Multiple terms of prison would be more appropriate for someone that has destroyed our country for no benefit. Lockdowns don’t save lives, they cost lives.

395868 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to peter-, 1, #1467 of 1834 🔗

Well said. I believe it shames us in the eyes of the world. We must be the laughing stock of it at the moment and it’s going to get worse.

396057 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to Jo Dominich, #1468 of 1834 🔗

Exactly, if there was another war the deployment of troops would be delayed because there wouldn’t be enough black people, Muslims, trannies etc in the army and people would say it doesn’t represent modern “Britain”.

At least there’s no chance of an alien invasion, they’d touch down in their flying saucer, look around and say “fuck this we’re off”.

We are making France and Spain look like functional countries with a future. If this doesn’t scare the shit out of people nothing will.

395747 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 49, #1469 of 1834 🔗

I don’t understand the confected outrage over Whitty being accosted in the street.

The damage he has done to millions of people in this country is colossal and will finish a lot of people off in the coming years who otherwise may have lived productive, happy lives.

Are those clutching their pearls suggesting that Whitty *should* be unaccountable? Because that’s what he effectively is. Our media class certainly do not bother him. He gets to issue pronouncements of fire and brimstone from his pulpit with a free pass.

395758 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Katabasis, 12, #1470 of 1834 🔗

Groups of bots write a lot of the comments now, all part of the propaganda

395759 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Katabasis, 16, #1471 of 1834 🔗

Me neither but then the media are as much our enemy as this government.

395834 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1472 of 1834 🔗

Given that the media has been the main instrument of government power over the last year, I’d say they are more of an enemy.

395820 ▶▶ danny, replying to Katabasis, 13, #1473 of 1834 🔗

Infuriating that it is all treated as a joke. The “naughty boy” who so rudely challenged brave and restrained Dr Whitty. God forbid anyone should be angry.

395865 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Katabasis, 9, #1474 of 1834 🔗

The self same Witty of course who deliberately mislead a parliamentary committee twice including kusing USA data about the hospitality industry from three years previous and who put up falsified deliberately manipulated graphs of doom to bounce us into Lockdown 2. This is not exhaustive given all the other crimes against the British Citizen he has perpetrated.

395808 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1476 of 1834 🔗

Very emotional

395763 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 11, #1477 of 1834 🔗

Where is the Queen?

395847 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #1478 of 1834 🔗

I don’t know but I’m willing to bet quite a large sum of money that she thinks it’s all Bollox.

395953 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to A. Contrarian, -1, #1479 of 1834 🔗

Seeing as her and her parasitic, toxic lineage are all a part ofthe charade, she most certainly will.

395912 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1480 of 1834 🔗

Watching reruns of Coronation Street.

395777 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 25, #1481 of 1834 🔗

I’ve walked loads in my life and contributed to the NHS via tax. I’d bloody better get a nationwide round of applause when I die or I’ll be absolutely fuming, especially if I go at the tender age of 100.

395806 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hubes, #1482 of 1834 🔗

Don’t worry Hubes, you’ll be the people’s Austin Princess.

395781 iansn, replying to iansn, 16, #1483 of 1834 🔗

That’s right Boris clap like a good little boy

395786 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to iansn, 34, #1484 of 1834 🔗

twat

395911 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Luckyharry69, #1485 of 1834 🔗

Stand by your man …

395805 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to iansn, 7, #1486 of 1834 🔗

She doesn’t do the adoring partner thing very well does she. Where’s the misty, proud, stand by my man look?

395809 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to bluemoon, 13, #1487 of 1834 🔗

She’s doing her monitoring look – ensuring he does as he’s told.

395833 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Katabasis, 16, #1488 of 1834 🔗

It’s almost as if NutNut and Markle came out of the same termagant factory.

395831 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to bluemoon, 11, #1489 of 1834 🔗

She’s not an idiot. He isn’t ‘her man’. He’s her meal ticket and her access to power.

395844 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to iansn, 1, #1490 of 1834 🔗

I hope they’re just standing like that to show off the Famous Door, and not because they’re ostentatiously Social Distancing.

395892 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1491 of 1834 🔗

I think it is the latter….

395970 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Will, #1492 of 1834 🔗

I thought so too.

395858 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to iansn, 1, #1493 of 1834 🔗

She doesn’t look too enthusiastic though does she!

395883 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to iansn, 3, #1494 of 1834 🔗

Clap wankers

395937 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Jaguarpig, #1495 of 1834 🔗

If you stick to wanking you don’t get the clap. Oh! Wait that’s something else…I’ll get my coat.

395971 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1496 of 1834 🔗

I used to, until the government came along last year and told me what washing your hands was.

395921 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to iansn, 1, #1497 of 1834 🔗

Wasn’t for his looks, was it!

395790 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 15, #1498 of 1834 🔗

There’s something extremely sinister about the pro-establishment narrative already being woven around Captain Tom given it is highly likely he contracted covid as a result of contact with RNHS.

395798 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Katabasis, 20, #1499 of 1834 🔗

the bloke was 100!!!…who gives a fuck how he died!!!!!!?

395801 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1500 of 1834 🔗

He’s going to be turned into a Martyr-stick to beat us over the head with.

395920 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Katabasis, #1501 of 1834 🔗

I do not think he will be that effective – even in our strange days, there is nothing particularly odd, surprising or tragic about a centenarian going through the Pearly Gates.

395855 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1502 of 1834 🔗

Well said sir!

395835 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Katabasis, 1, #1503 of 1834 🔗

Are you one of those who would make the NHS a full-hazmat service, since that’d be the only way to prevent spread of a highly infectious airborne virus?

I’m against it personally.

395968 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Tee Ell, #1504 of 1834 🔗

No.

I’m contrasting the constant worship of RNHS with the fact a lot of people contract covid there.

395842 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1505 of 1834 🔗

Yeah but it was only in the NHS because of people like YOU leaving your house for nonessential things like food and movement. You probably gave it to an NHS hero in the queue at Tesco. PEOPLE WILL DIE!!

395854 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Katabasis, 2, #1506 of 1834 🔗

Interesting conversations with young people at work – they definitely said they wouldn’t clap as he broke Lockdown rules and if he could others should!! I have hope for this country!

395916 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1507 of 1834 🔗

I think a lot of people would have liked a nice holiday in Barbados but we have had a year where you are killing granny if you take two walks a day…

395938 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1508 of 1834 🔗

What hope? They sound like they’ve been inflicted with Stockholm syndrome.

Its a shame no one has any sympathy for the thousands of old people held hostage in care homes.

395792 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 33, #1509 of 1834 🔗

Can anybody please recommend a country I can move to?….Im damn sure this isnt the country I loved anymore……….

395824 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Luckyharry69, 13, #1510 of 1834 🔗

Stand and fight.

395861 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 8, #1511 of 1834 🔗

Well indeed that works if the country is united against a foreign invader or imposed tyranny but if the majority don’t want to be free then at some point one might conclude it’s best to move on

395932 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, #1512 of 1834 🔗

Or take control of a corner & defend it.

395961 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Julian, #1513 of 1834 🔗

But they don’t know the real reason they’re under house arrest – maybe if they knew someone was coming for their house they might get off the sofa..

395838 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1514 of 1834 🔗

Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, all of the places to benefit from Bliars intelligent interventions have plenty of vacancies.

395857 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to iansn, 6, #1515 of 1834 🔗

Here in Portugal the Lisbon authorities make sure to clean all the bodies off the pavements before we get out of bed in the morning. Hence we are pretty unaware of the Plague. But poor people are dying of hunger, which is obviously their own fault.

395930 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Luckyharry69, -1, #1516 of 1834 🔗

How you gonna escape, good swimmer?

395800 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1517 of 1834 🔗

My MP didn’t waste much time on her webpage calling for a clapathon tonight for Captain Moore and the NHS!

395909 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1518 of 1834 🔗

Did she say why we should clap?

395942 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #1519 of 1834 🔗

Pass the sick bucket!

395804 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #1520 of 1834 🔗

If the historical pattern of year on year reductions in the death rate in 50 years time (2073 to be precise) death will have been eliminated……. unless, like me, you suspect that at some point there has to be a point of inflection.
Share this graph with friends & family & ‘pin the tail on the donkey’ style ask them when, if not now, they think the elimination of death should end.

395810 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to NickR, 3, #1521 of 1834 🔗

Knowing my luck I will croak in 2072.

395812 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1522 of 1834 🔗

You’ll be the only 1!

395815 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to NickR, 3, #1523 of 1834 🔗

Everyone will be clapping for me! Last man to die. Evah!

395821 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1524 of 1834 🔗

Hah… Bless you, you poor optimistic fool.

Dying will be a minority pursuit and you’ll be pilloried for your selfishness.

He had so much more to give.

395814 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1525 of 1834 🔗

Keeping the body alive decades longer is all well and good but they need to bring the brain along for the ride – people are minds more than bodies.

395822 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1526 of 1834 🔗

I used to think that too, but if the last year hasn’t convinced you otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you.

395807 RickH, replying to RickH, -14, #1527 of 1834 🔗

This site is sadly declining into a mirror of the Tooting Brigade’s ‘Sqwawkbox’ : simply a repository of repetitive rants and not a lot of meat.

395817 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 2, #1528 of 1834 🔗

You’re the 7th person to make that point today.

395830 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to RickH, 10, #1529 of 1834 🔗

Are you a member of the 77th brigade and changing your tactics to discredit sceptics?

395840 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Smelly Melly, #1530 of 1834 🔗

Deleted…. sorry I read your comment as being to me, rather than Rick. Apologies.

395846 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, -3, #1531 of 1834 🔗

No. You’ve just proved my point.

A circle of mirrored self-abuse isn’t ‘sceptical’. It’s just a comfort zone. I’m interested in the critical and sceptical.

Sorry that the reality is painful.

If you want to respond to my point – just count, on the one hand, the posts such as those by NickR and swedenborg, plus those making a range of actual observations and insights – and compare with the number of predictable and repetitious meanderings about ‘Captain Tom’ etc.

395852 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 1, #1532 of 1834 🔗

You’re right Rick, and I agree.

But some people just want a comfort zone – god knows there’s not much other comfort on offer.

There’s always going to be a mix of sentiment and genuinely useful & thought-provoking content.

I often find the balance between the two to be frustrating here, but scrolling past noise is no big deal.

395926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to AidanR, #1533 of 1834 🔗

My view entirely, especially the first line. But the rest is important..

395859 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to RickH, 7, #1534 of 1834 🔗

having a comfort zone is like sun to a plant. We need it. Especially in the dank situation we are in.

395915 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 1, #1535 of 1834 🔗

I don’t want to butt into your argument but I’m flattered to be mentioned in the same sentence as Swedenborg. My stuff takes about 2 minutes to produce, he must be researching non-stop.
But I do tend to agree with RickH. If you can’t win an argument with a rational argument you haven’t got much of an argument.

395966 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to NickR, 1, #1536 of 1834 🔗

You literally cannot win an argument with rationality.

Skillful rhetoric – however fallacious – will sweep the boards every time.

Once again, I wish it weren’t true, but all the evidence says that it is.

396172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 1, #1537 of 1834 🔗

You’re both right. But, Nick you underestimate the worth of feeding in clear factual information, and Aidan – your point about the power of well-spun rhetoric is true.

My beef is – as I say the repetitive and plain boring restatement of what has already been said many times.

It was the endless banging on about Captain Tom that wound me up – as if this opportunity for propaganda was unexpected and worthy of endless restatement of the bleedin’ obvious.

395923 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Smelly Melly, -1, #1538 of 1834 🔗

The correct question that needs answering is. Has this sites administration been taken over by 77th? If today’s headline is anything to go by the answer is YES.

395967 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1539 of 1834 🔗

I’m fucking sick of people crapping on about the 77th. It’s retarded.

Even supposing the 77th are engaged in extensive domestic psi-ops, do you not think there’s more fertile ground than this in which to sow their seeds of doubt using their finite resources?

I bet there are websites about nematode worms in tartan hats that get more hits than this one.

396006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1540 of 1834 🔗

I used to study nematodes.

396008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, #1541 of 1834 🔗

At Aberdeen?

Please say yes.

396083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1542 of 1834 🔗

Close

395949 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1543 of 1834 🔗

Quite clearly- they can’t argue adequately so have to resort to sneering

395945 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1545 of 1834 🔗

Please post us some meat!

395976 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1546 of 1834 🔗

I believe ‘meat’ is missing vibrancy of life. This place is life under lockdown, etc.
Not to discount it, meat seems to have gone a little strange as a metgod of argument – where the old fashioned thinking in terms of logic simply have been usurped by the protagonists of the crime.

Clearly the high quality dicussions are paramount importance, but without the surrounding variety of life this place would be as dead as any other msm ignored place.

I take exception to RickHs assertion given that earlier today my own observation about the desperate political situation in Scotland in the middle of a ‘pandemic’ was labelled an anti EU rant. It is exceptionally easy to overlook the thoughts behind comments when faced with thousands everyday.

Those numbers in itself are a suggestion that this place is something. You can whine and moan about people ranting all you like. People are doing so from concern, this is valuable.

It is the easiest thing in the world to skip a comment, choose to discuss what matters to you. There are site tools that allow you to do this quickly.

Perhaps boffins who require a sterile environment to focus onto the particles of scientific understanding may like to retire to the forums? Would a forum type area not facillitate that type of dicourse better anyway? Conversations that last days and weeks, not daily responses as in comments. Just a woolly unfocussed well meaning thought, I hope it doesn’t offend.

NickRs comments and Swedenborgs are most excellent contributions I think many ‘ranters’ get a huge amount from them. I am certain others are brilliant as well. The achive-like nature of the comments are one of its strengths, but not exclusively so.

Perhaps just rub along?

396050 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #1547 of 1834 🔗

I usually rub along happily. The whingers are getting my goat tonight though. Some of it is tantamount to trolling.

396168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, #1548 of 1834 🔗

My apologies Cheezilla. I did not intend to write directed to you.

396167 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1549 of 1834 🔗

I do when I come across something.

Don’t misunderstand – I think expressing frustration has its place. It’s when it gets disproportionate and repetitive – and a chain of ‘Me Too!’ that pushes other stuff into the background.

396227 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1550 of 1834 🔗

You’ve done it again, I do hate agreeing with you

395826 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #1551 of 1834 🔗

Does anybody have a link to the petition asking for a state funeral for Capt Tom. Nothing against Capt Tom but would love to see a state funeral where the crowds are arrested and water cannoned by our fine boys and girls in blue. We could do with a laugh.

I see that the police farce have covered themselves in shit again by arresting a man for handing out free soup at a soup kitchen in a park.

395902 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1553 of 1834 🔗

Jesus. I joked about this earlier, to myself. But I did think that if they are doing a minutes silence, and the BBC had a full hour dedicated to the man, then it can only go one way before these idiots are satisfied.

395906 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1554 of 1834 🔗

130,000 morons have signed. FFS!

395962 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1555 of 1834 🔗

Only because the other 59,870,000 morons haven’t heard about it yet.

396135 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AidanR, #1556 of 1834 🔗

Yeah, true.

395897 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Smelly Melly, #1557 of 1834 🔗

that could get messy. Lots of folk turning up thinking vaccination means it’s OK.

395917 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #1558 of 1834 🔗

Can we start a petition to ask them NOT to do a state funeral?

395941 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Smelly Melly, #1559 of 1834 🔗

I hope it’s deep shit!

395829 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1560 of 1834 🔗

Got any friends in the Netherlands? Please forward them this:

MANDATORY VACCINATION – through a legal back door, D 66 (with the approval of CDA, VVD and CU) is still trying to have children vaccinated by pushing the law ′′ Participation ′′ through. The bottom line is that the Government (through Youth Services) gets to control what will happen to ‘our’ children and grandchildren. About 30.000 more signatures are needed (10.000 signatures are already there) to have room questions asked about this. For more background information, visit https://herkenouderverstoting.nl/ …/731-spreek-je-uit … For the petition visit https://stopwetdeelgezag.petities.nl/ It’s the most simple action you can do for your fellow man – with or without (small) children

395900 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1561 of 1834 🔗

It seems every country is seeing some attempt by the psychotic elements of their society to go full on totalitarianism and take our kids.

If I ever come face to face with someone advocating this I could well end up in jail for what I might do.

395845 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1562 of 1834 🔗

Still wondering where the Queen actually is?

“The Queen was sending a private message of condolence, Buckingham Palace said. A spokesperson added: “Her Majesty very much enjoyed meeting Capt Sir Tom and his family at Windsor last year.”