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396231 itommo, replying to itommo, 2, #1 of 1877 🔗


396232 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to itommo, #2 of 1877 🔗


396233 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Londo Mollari, #3 of 1877 🔗


396238 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #4 of 1877 🔗

This is outrageous…
Nigel Farage
I have been drawing attention to Napier Barracks and other such camps for some time. You won’t believe what’s happened now…

Write to Priti Patel, the Home Secretary here: withammp@parliament.uk

396274 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #5 of 1877 🔗

when the whole ship is sinking and going under, I think we hardly need to worry that a few deluded morons have decided to climb aboard…..that is so yesterday’s news

396624 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #6 of 1877 🔗

They may well be used as useful morons, in some specific role….
Could be tomorrow’s news.

396235 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to itommo, 5, #7 of 1877 🔗

Beware the media distraction

397502 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #8 of 1877 🔗
397958 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #9 of 1877 🔗

As far as I’m concerned everyone that helped cover up the hydroxychloroquine story is guilty of murder. Thousands of people could have been cured and instead died

396236 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to itommo, #10 of 1877 🔗


396237 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to itommo, 39, #11 of 1877 🔗

Doctors and Nurses Giving the Covid-19 Vaccine Will Be Tried as War Criminals


In recent months, Dr Coleman’s videos have been targeted by trolls spreading lies, libels and misinformation and because of this, Dr Coleman has had to disable comments. We hope you understand.
In an emotional video, Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA, explains why doctors and nurses giving the covid-19 vaccine will be tried as war criminals.
For more unbiased information about other important matters, please visit http://www.vernoncoleman.com

396263 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #12 of 1877 🔗

„I was only following orders“

398055 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #13 of 1877 🔗

“I was only following profit”.

Oh sorry, that’s the faceless crooks in big pharma who have been pushing all this.

396277 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 36, #14 of 1877 🔗

The poor man has spent the best part of 50 years trying to bring the corrupt medical establishment to account. He is visibly distraught in this video but a comment made elsewhere was ‘why take any notice of what he says as he is a fruitcake!’ Is he, is he really? Maybe, just maybe there is a grain of truth in what he says.

396354 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Thomasina, 23, #15 of 1877 🔗

More than a grain I venture.

396805 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Thomasina, 20, #16 of 1877 🔗

“Being in a minority, even in a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.” George Orwell – “ 1984″

396244 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to itommo, 7, #17 of 1877 🔗

No medals for 1st here, we’re all winners at st lockdown sceptics.

396246 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #18 of 1877 🔗

Hear hear! But the Race to the Top always makes me smile.

396325 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #19 of 1877 🔗

Well, sort-of, actually of course we are all (except the politicians and super-rich) losers in the UK (and most of the West)!

396418 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to iane, -6, #20 of 1877 🔗

Speak for yourself, guy.

396234 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 49, #21 of 1877 🔗

Excellent edition today. Great articles. Thanks to the team.

396239 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #22 of 1877 🔗

TESCO https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f92c.svg “Leave 2 Kids Outside” @ Single Mother

231K subscribers
This is breathtaking!

396241 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #23 of 1877 🔗

Katie Hopkins: Beware the media distraction

396428 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #24 of 1877 🔗

Remember the good old days when social services would take your kids away for that. Now actively instructed by a supermarket

396480 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #25 of 1877 🔗

Just shows how poorly trained and poorly paid staff are more hazardous to one’s health more than a virus.

397965 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #26 of 1877 🔗

They are in-fucking-sane and this just needs to stop, and now.

398028 ▶▶▶▶ Wayne, replying to Elisabeth, #27 of 1877 🔗

I can’t believe people still buy this crap and support lockdowns, with some idiots wanting more stricter lockdowns

396245 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 18, #29 of 1877 🔗

Hmmm well no “global warming” is a fact, it has been warming for the last 15,000yrs. Anthropogenic global warming is a much more contentious argument. I’m halfway between the 2. We may be adding a tiny fraction to it but doesn’t justify the alarmism of the speculative modellers.

As I said last night you get the research & conclusions you pay for.

396275 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #30 of 1877 🔗

My 11 year old is of the same view, despite the attempted brainwashing of the education system and the bbc. He’s of a scientific bent, and knows when something doesn’t stack up.

397303 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to sophie123, 3, #31 of 1877 🔗

Your comment about your son has cheered me up enormously!
nullius in verba. An enquiring mind, the way science should be practised.

396308 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #32 of 1877 🔗

Lockdowns mate, not global warming, wokes, whatever they are, or any other right/left tosh. Lockdown scepticism!!! Got it?

396365 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #33 of 1877 🔗

The Greenhouse Effect is nonsense because higher levels in the atmosphere cannot re-radiate thermal energy back to earth as they are colder than the earth’s surface. This would contradict the second law of thermodynamics.

‘The Sky Dragon Slayers: Victory Lap’ by George Chilingar (Author), Derek Alker (Author), John O’Sullivan (Editor)

396247 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #34 of 1877 🔗

Yes indeed, a robust approach and good material, far better than the recent tosh.

396295 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Annie, 8, #35 of 1877 🔗

Here are some interesting recent links on global warming:

The latest pause in global warming has lasted for 5 years and 6 months:

The failure of climate models to predict global temperatures – they substantially overestimate by a factor of almost 3x:

How the temperature data is manipulated – almost a perfect correlation between adjustments to the surface temperature record made and the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.

396307 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #36 of 1877 🔗

Yes, much better but still on about cases and covid symptoms which are the same as flu symptoms

396414 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #37 of 1877 🔗

Hear, hear!

396242 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 137, #38 of 1877 🔗

The ability to believe what it is in one’s interests to believe and call it science has been starkly revealed by the responses to the coronavirus. For months Chris Whitty, the UK government’s senior medical advisor, expressed the view that there was no benefit from wearing face masks by general population. In June the government changed its policy and mandated face masks on public transport. It subsequently extended this to indoor public spaces generally. Whitty was asked by the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee for the evidence for this reversal. He told the Committee: “The data have not changed. What changed was our interpretation.” This one example is illustrative of how “the science” has been exploited as a rhetorical device. The responses to the virus are pseudoscience. The status of science is invoked to provide policy decisions with a specious authority that is beyond challenge. Of course should anyone present a serious credible critique that might influence a significant audience, they are immediately simply censored and denounced. No one is allowed to challenge the narrative. Anyone who does challenge the narrative is labelled as mad, bad and dangerous. This demonising of critical voices allows the supporters of the narrative to represent themselves as morally and intellectually superior, creating a vested interest in continuing to believe in the narrative, creating belief that is impervious to evidence and reason.

396250 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 52, #39 of 1877 🔗

Sounds remarkably like the Catholic Church’s historical response to heresy, particularly the Lollards and the Protestant Reformers. OK, dear sceptic, I know that if you are godless then the entire Reformation upheaval will appear to be eggs in moonshine, but that only makes the parallel with the present bollox even closer. The persecutors of today have no more backing from hard, objective truth than the persecutors of the sixteenth century.

One consolation emerges. The Protestant view eventually triumphed in Britain, and the erstwhile persecutors, with a few exceptions, immediately espoused it, though ready to swing back the instant it became unprofitable. There’s a story, in Foxe I think, of an interrogator who asked a heretic who had taught him such damnable doctrine. ‘Why, my Lord, you did,’ replied the heretic, with perfect truth.

Give Whitless and Co. a bit of time and they will be proclaiming the exact opposite of what they are proclaiming now, because to them it’s not science, and it’s not religion: it’s what keeps their skins whole, their influence on the powers-that-be irresistible, their pockets full, and their foul faces on TV.

396498 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, 7, #40 of 1877 🔗

There’s an old song “The Vicar of Bray” in which the vicar changes his views in accordance with the prevailing orthodoxy through its various phases.

397400 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Edward, 3, #41 of 1877 🔗

And whatsoever ‘science’ may reign,
SAGE will continue to bray, Sir.

396740 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 3, #42 of 1877 🔗

Watch this, Annie… says EXACTLY that


398078 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #43 of 1877 🔗

that particular Church, I understand, is now very cautious about making such pronouncements, and declaring an opinion on scientific matters whilst it is a matter of debate among scientists – it has still not condemned (neo) Darwinism, for example. And now, of course they are instead accused of moving very slowly.

396272 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #44 of 1877 🔗

just because they stick the label ‘science’ on it does not make it any less tosh. Tosh called by any other name doth stink as foul…

396297 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 46, #45 of 1877 🔗

We should always remember that when asked if there was any scientific basis for the muzzling, Wancock himself admitted that the mandate was more to convince the scared to go out and about. So no concern about the side effects of wearing masks but simply trying to carry on with the scaremongering.

397183 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #46 of 1877 🔗

From day one in the sage meetings minutes they talk about keeping fear levels high to ensure compliance. You don’t have to convince everyone. Just the gobby know nothing twitter brigade and the mumsnet granny savers. They will keep everything in order because if you disagree you “dissappear”. In the good old days of oppressed regimes this was literally, now its only virtually. Whatever way you look at it you are silenced and it stops others expressing their opinion.
When the shit does eventually hit the fan and we are pointing fingers these people will play the I was only doing what the government said. Its really, really important we never let this happen. Otherwise this will be happening every year.

397404 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #47 of 1877 🔗

It was also the start of active persecution of the non-compliant. Remember Fetida Dick encouraging the zombies to set upon people with faces?

396540 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #48 of 1877 🔗

The evidence was fixed around the policy. – Some UK Govt dude regarding the premeditated war of aggression against Iraq.

397656 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #49 of 1877 🔗

John Scarlett head of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) was charged with providing the evidence for justifying the invasion of Iraq. In this role Scarlett worked closely with Blair’s right hand conman Alastair Campbell, who made sure that the JIC chief actually came up with ‘the goods’.

396577 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #50 of 1877 🔗

Excellent post.

‘Anyone who does challenge the narrative is labelled as mad, bad and dangerous.’

Indeed. And of course, they’re addressing a mirror. It’s a self-appraisal at this point.

‘This demonising of critical voices allows the supporters of the narrative to represent themselves as morally and intellectually superior, creating a vested interest in continuing to believe in the narrative, creating belief that is impervious to evidence and reason.’

Exactly, and the muddled masses strut around parroting this absurd pseudoscience, pointing the finger and shouting down calm, rational unbelievers and calling for them to be burned at the stake. We are experiencing a New Inquisition.

Fantastic post. You’ve nailed it down.

396733 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #51 of 1877 🔗

Thinking I might just title the book: The Madness of Whitty

398067 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #52 of 1877 🔗

Didn’t some people in Germany’s National Socialist regime of 1933-1945 claim to be following the science? Didn’t the likes of dr Mengele claim to ber doing serious medical research?

Didn’t these types used to try and persuade psychiatrists to define people who disagreed with them as mad (or words to that effect)?

And didn’t the pharmaceutical industry (I. G. Farben?) play a disreputable part in that regime?

396243 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #53 of 1877 🔗

I suppose its an improvement on yesterday, still had a picture of an irritating old man that made me want to put my fist through the screen.

I’m both reluctant & saddened to say the graphs at least upon first glance do seem to show lockdown having an affect (if you believe the stats aren’t manipulated, i don’t). A more infectious variant surely isn’t the reason for the bactrian double hump? Do seasonal infectious diseases behave like this. Surely if its “highly” infectious then it would sweep through the country quicker & be all over, unless something prevents its spread? The only reason its likely to reappear is because of the delaying factor of lockdown & no one can seriously be suggesting we stay in lockdown forever. No i’m NOT advocating or defending lockdowns, life should be measured in quality not quantity.

Never used hand sanitiser I actually think its more harmful than masks & its pretty bloody obvious inhibiting your the intake of oxygen isn’t beneficial to an air breathing mammal! I’m all for nature, shock horror, I don’t even use shampoo, your body has evolved to coexist quite healthily without man made chemicals. No your hair doesn’t smell or become greasy if you wash it with just water every other day. Germs are good for your health contrary to popular belief.

I’d push the fat man off if it meant saving a beautiful damsel in distress, no qualms, second thoughts or regrets, simples.

If masks prevented infection we would have evolved with a cover over our breathing holes. Masks have nothing to do with physical virus suppression. Its a psychological mind f*ck, to infect the populous with fear & keep everyone scared mindful of the lurgy, sage know masks don’t work they’ve all openly said so at some time.


  • Grrrrrrrr !
  • Can we use cash now then?
  • Not sure I’ll miss old normal, crowded shops was never an enjoyable experience for me, but not looking forward to the future normal, there’s no putting this authoritarian technocracy back in the box, we have to be active and put it out of our misery & bury it in a coffin.
  • It wasn’t the virus that killed slumped democracy, it was socialism.
  • Grrrrrrrr !
  • Socialist are anti-social, who knew (gazes up).

Can’t believe there’s no woke gobbledygook, its more virulent than covid19.

396252 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #54 of 1877 🔗
396254 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #55 of 1877 🔗

That is indeed a beauty. Gobbledygook squared. And exactly what one would expect from the Zombie Pseudochurch.
If the CofE had saints, Captain Dupe would now be undergoing the fastest canonisation in ecclesiastical history. Maybe, in his holy shrine, they would paint his face white, black, brown and yellow, in stripes.

396267 ▶▶▶▶ R G, replying to Annie, 6, #56 of 1877 🔗

He’s already a secular saint. I walk past a 25-foot mural of the man every time I go to Sainsburys.

396299 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 2, #57 of 1877 🔗

He could even beat the record of Catholics under JP 2 canonising saints as if they were off a conveyor belt. A practise that Benedict put a stop to.

396253 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #58 of 1877 🔗

Tell yer wot. Instead of horrible zombie leaders, let’s all send in a Consoling Picture to head a day’s issue. We could even feature a photo competition. Let’s have some fun. Or let’s choose beautiful and inspiring landscapes. Somebody, I forget who (sorry) posted some beauties BTL a while back..

396259 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 2, #59 of 1877 🔗

Good idea. They should reveal the horror of the msm slowly to us, this time of day.

396271 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 50, #60 of 1877 🔗

Here’s my nomination – the renegade bench-sitter!

396280 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 11, #61 of 1877 🔗

No unessential sitting!

396300 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #62 of 1877 🔗

But officer, my dog doesn’t understand ‘stupid’ …

397193 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 1, #63 of 1877 🔗


396368 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #64 of 1877 🔗

There is usually a bactrian double hump in winter: one for Influenza A then other for Influenza B. There will also be ones for Beta-coronaviruses and Alpha-coronaviruses. Flu has of course been reclassified as a Beta-coronavirus infection now. If we ignore Covid then it looks fairly normal if a little earlier than normal.

396476 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #65 of 1877 🔗

No, the graphs don’t show lockdown working. Cases and deaths are falling almost everywhere, including in no-lockdown Sweden. Cases of an infectious disease don’t just rise forever in the absence of human intervention. There are many natural causes that have far more of an impact.

396248 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 163, #66 of 1877 🔗

Did you know there are people out there who actually believe that the government are doing the right thing?

Did you know that there are people out there who have done no independent research and believe everything the government says?

I think that is one of the worst things about this. We have to live in a society with people who think this is all a reasonable response.

How can we trust anyone again?

396249 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ed Phillips, 46, #67 of 1877 🔗

Did you know that there are people out there who have done no independent research and believe everything the government says?

I very much doubt this as the majority of people who apparently believe the government line know very little of what government ministers and their experts have actually said. Rather than believing everything the government says, it seems they believe the headlines/soundbites of the corporate media.

396251 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #68 of 1877 🔗

A fair correction.

396255 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 22, #69 of 1877 🔗

But a distinction without a difference just now.

396257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 5, #70 of 1877 🔗

Yes indeed.

396505 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #71 of 1877 🔗

Very true, the headlines are what stick in people’s minds, even when they’re not an accurate summary of the story below.

396268 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ed Phillips, 102, #72 of 1877 🔗

I think that is one of the worst things about this. We have to live in a society with people who think this is all a reasonable response.

Indeed. I was speaking with someone yesterday who told me that one of her relatives is not bothered by what is in the vaccine and that she wants it as soon as possible in order that she can get back to normal. Further, she said that even if it contained some sort of tracking device (??), she is not bothered – “if they want to know what I am doing, I don’t care”.

I feel very, very worried that I live in the same society as someone who cares so little for what the state does to them.

396296 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 34, #73 of 1877 🔗

‘If you’re doing nothing wrong then you’ve nothing to worry about.’

396326 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 16, #74 of 1877 🔗

Everything I do is wrong according to them because I support the many little people not the rich few!

396330 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to kh1485, 8, #75 of 1877 🔗

Also that anyone would think there is actually a tracking device in it. When we voice concerns that the vaccine is a control mechanism, people take it literally.

396777 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to muzzle, 7, #76 of 1877 🔗

While not suggesting there are tracking devices in the current round of unnecessary “vaccines”, there are no sensible grounds for ruling them out. If not now, they will nevertheless be here before too long.

An in body in tracking device is not at all outlandish, when we consider the overall enormity of the current corona scam and the tracking of our every move is certainly one of the globalists aims. Also it makes the headlong rush to roll out the dangerous and unneeded 5G much more understandable.

396336 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 19, #77 of 1877 🔗

And yet government ministers and advisers have repeatedly asserted that even when vaccinated one has to follow all the rules.

396347 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #78 of 1877 🔗

Indeed, people are just conveniently not hearing this. Why?

396425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to WasSteph, 17, #79 of 1877 🔗

I suspect it is because they are not paying attention, and just hear the headlines/soundbites and the emotional tone and have a tendency to make stuff up to fill in the gaps. Apparently, the general public know almost nothing about the virus. For example, on average people believe that seven percent of the population have died of Covid 19. Another example is that bookings for holidays in the UK are at record levels even though going on holiday is currently illegal and listening to ministers and their experts there is no reason to assume the law will be repealed anytime soon.

396464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #80 of 1877 🔗

I agree, and I most certainly don’t understand the enthusiasm people have for booking holidays under the current circumstances. If 2020 was anything to go by, there are going to be an awful lot of people fighting to recover their deposits from the airlines and tour operators in a few months time. (I wonder how many of this year’s bookings are actually people who were encouraged to accept vouchers after last year’s cancellations, and were told in January that they had to use them or lose them?)

396938 ▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to WasSteph, 10, #81 of 1877 🔗

Why the hell should we take experimental ‘vaccines’ which only ease symptoms when instead we could take ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine which are proven to be safe, cheap and effective in protecting against and treating early stage Covid? Maybe the reason is that word ‘cheap.’

397538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richardw53, 2, #82 of 1877 🔗

Though maybe the reason is depopulation.

396406 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 4, #83 of 1877 🔗

I don’t suppose someone like that would even care if it was known what they were thinking and feeling even – and so not even any privacy within their own head.

396417 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 8, #84 of 1877 🔗

they might start to care when they find they can’t go on holiday this summer.

396713 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to crimsonpirate, 19, #85 of 1877 🔗

It will be our fault! I have just met someone in town who asked us if we’d had our vaccines yet. I said I would never have one. She said it there were a lot of people who thought like me we will all be killed (by covid). FFS this is how they think. They can’t even think that they have had the ‘vaccine ‘ so they will be saved allejulah and leave us alone.

397226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to rose, 11, #86 of 1877 🔗

I think my answer would be if this was true, why are we not all dead? We have lived with this for over a year. Why is everyone who works in a supermarket not dead. From Feb to July. Height of the pandemic, no masks, no plastic screens, all sneezing and coughing over the goods. How can they still be able to carry on working and more to the point why did none of them die. Hardly the zombie apocalypse is it?

397419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rose, 9, #87 of 1877 🔗

It’s the same poison propaganda as applies to face knickers. I can force you to comply because you’re doing it for ME ME ME, not for yourself.

398061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to rose, #88 of 1877 🔗

“are you saved”?

now where have i heard that before?

396538 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 16, #89 of 1877 🔗

“Nothing to hide, nothing to fear” was a phrase launched into the public’s minced-up minds by that slimy evil bastard Michael Howard when he was Home Secretary under that other slimy bastard John Major.

This bit of brainwashing was used to persuade the sheeple that we needed CCTV camera’s EVERYWHERE in the UK.

The sheeple lapped it up.

397191 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Two-Six, 4, #90 of 1877 🔗

I always explain that I have heaps to hide. Not because I’m doing anything illicit, just naturally furtive.

397425 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, #91 of 1877 🔗

Have you tried counting all the spy cameras in your town centre?

397546 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #92 of 1877 🔗

Take forever.

398063 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Two-Six, #93 of 1877 🔗

are those the ones that have had no discernible effect on crime?

396301 ▶▶ court, replying to Ed Phillips, 37, #94 of 1877 🔗

It makes no sense. I have a friend who’s always hated the tories because of his grandfathers views even though he’s benefitted immensely from Tory policies since Thatcherism. He’s never believed a word they’ve said in the past, but for the last year he’s been hung on every diktat and stat.

396303 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 36, #95 of 1877 🔗

The odd thing is many of the most rabid lockdownistas I know have a hatred of Johnson & the Tories that’s verging on the pathological and deranged.

You would have thought they would be fighting all this tooth & nail. Instead they’re the biggest cheerleaders.

396384 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #96 of 1877 🔗

What other position can they take when their Great White Hope, the Kneeler is even more rabid than Fat Boy and his chums/controllers.

396560 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #97 of 1877 🔗

Shared statist mindset. A low opinion of the plebs and a belief that central levers can be pulled from the control room and these will somehow translate the wish into fact via some mass cattle prod.

396586 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #98 of 1877 🔗

Yep. It’s the inner authoritarian showing – it’s for their own good and I know best.

396399 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #99 of 1877 🔗

Well there’s provably about 10 million of them in this country – minus those blackmailed into the vax by their employers (there’s doubtless some of them already) and those not mentally competent to make the decision for themselves (eg through dementia) and someone has made that decision for them and differently to the one they themselves would have made all else being equal.

396496 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #100 of 1877 🔗

Did you know there are governments out there who trust that their people will not (can not) independently research?
Infantilism demands and parental prison provides.

This arrested development has deeper causes that rational thinking in either its fearful ‘children’ or controlling ‘parents’. Fear and control are two sides of one coin or false currency.

That you cant join with lies is an honesty of being that is made clear to your awareness of such in others as a deeply disturbing experience.

Fear – if not faced and lived through – splits the mind.
I regard this observation as spiritual or integrative awareness – because it is not merely thinking about, but directly present as the willingness to be with what is to the recognition of what is true, rather than mask in ‘protections’ from what is truly going on under narrative illusion seeking reinforcement.

I hold that learning to trust ourselves, rather than think ourselves into narrative identity, is what spirituality is and does, and nothing to do with ‘spouting beliefs’ or wearing our heart on our sleeve as signalling for social virtue or indeed for anti-anything virtue.
The capacity to accept our self where we are now with what is here – is the natural extension of a like quality to another, regardless the mask of their appearances. For it does not demand or manipulate or seek for itself.

The world – our relationships – can be read as faithful feedback to where I am coming from. But not from a set of terms and conditions that demand it be something else. If others are not ready or willing to look where a mind set over fear denies, then there is no forcing of another that can do anything but set equal and opposite reaction.

But whatever willingness is here can be given freedom to be itself, if we are present, aware and open to the prompt of a recognition of a shared appreciation instead of a world set in grievance. For why should the fearful trust you or anyone but as fear dictates? You can witness to another basis for choice than as fear dictates without making it a matter of ‘telling them they are wrong’ or confirming them in their sense of self-lack.

Rationality divorced from the heart – by whatever name – is a dissociated machine thinking that trusts its own modelling above empirical facts revealed. Trust cannot be or become a set of rules, algorithm, or system. That is ‘control’ set as structure in place of trust in ongoing relational communication. Within the structure, whatever it determines can seem reasonable if the function of such a system is to keep you safe from overwhelm. But the word is ‘seem’ and the fear is operating as if FACT.

396584 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #101 of 1877 🔗

I considered sending a bunch of links to the very nice lady from Waitrose customer services who listened to my (polite) rant about sanitizers and how it affects people with allergies yesterday.
We now know so much more, but big businesses, I guess because govt has not changed their message, has not moved on.

397584 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Silke David, 1, #102 of 1877 🔗

Big business is a big part of government.

396256 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 37, #103 of 1877 🔗


The above article uses Office for National Statistics data to effectively demonstrate the falsity of the reported Covid 19 death figures. The analysis clearly shows:

  1. Deaths for 2020 did not rise to the exceptional level presented in the official narrative.
  2. Many deaths were mislabelled.
  3. Responses to the virus resulted in deaths.
  4. The NHS was never at risk of being overwhelmed.
396282 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #104 of 1877 🔗

Great link thanks

396298 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #105 of 1877 🔗

Thanks — so 5 yr Dec average of flu-resp-pneum dead is over 11K. But in Dec 2020 only 1.1 K died from these causes…..and the fake news and covidiots say what? Flu was cured from the diapers? But the other categories are the same. 5 yr Dec month avg for Dementia – 28K dead. But only 5 K in Dec 2020….did the diapers cure Dementia?

396322 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #106 of 1877 🔗

Actually I did similar analysis. The ONS data for Dementia+Alz is wrong….28 K do not die in December from Dem+Alz it is more like 5.000. So you need to understand that some of their data sets are inaccurate. Heart disease all varieties, as well is inaccurate. So some of the numbers in this article are incorrect. I had the same issue. Flu +resp dead are accurate. But the other categories are not – if you add up their table for Dec 2020 you come to 120 K dead that month which is 40K above normal figures, so does not add up.

396341 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to FerdIII, 2, #107 of 1877 🔗

So if the Office for National Statistics death figures (which are collated from death certificates) what source do you prefer?

396343 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #108 of 1877 🔗

Yes. The argument is starkly clear: most ‘covid’ deaths are mis-attributed illnesses from other cause of known prevalence that just ‘vanished’ in the 2020 death numbers. ‘Known prevalence’ is the proof. The absence of evidence is…. the ‘evidence of absence [of true covid deaths]’: death numbers are the one thing that cannot be hidden (or inflated) in this exercise. The authorities know this.. they know we [a rump] know this.. they know that we know that they know… It’s the general public that they are relying on to not pick this up.

…. it is indeed the ‘Crime of the Century’

396377 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #109 of 1877 🔗

Excellent. Just sent link to Sir Graham Brady.

396258 Annie, replying to Annie, 40, #110 of 1877 🔗

This from the BBC’s report on Tom Dupe’s misspent millions.

“For Cath [ a nurse] the hardest part of the pandemic has been caring for patients cut off from their families. Initially staff used their own mobile phones so patients – especially the elderly ones – could, in some cases, say their final goodbyes. Now the wards have iPads, bought with the appeal money.”

You can say good-bye to a dying relative via an iPad.
Thank you soooooo much, Captain Dupe.
Did you say good-bye via an iPad, Captain Dupe?

396260 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 19, #111 of 1877 🔗


Sorry just the thought of this BS makes me steam.

396278 ▶▶ Harrydean, replying to Annie, 25, #112 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I started reading the BBC report too. First 2 examples of spending of money raised was on pop up cafes and shops to allow nurses to get snacks and coke (the picture showed the results of this diet)! No wonder the NHS is struggling if this is thought the best use of the money.

396478 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Annie, 15, #113 of 1877 🔗

At the hospital where my wife works, there was a similar initiative to provide IPads to enable relatives to keep in touch with Covid patients during the Spring 2020 initial Covid crisis. During the summer, when the virus seemed to have gone away, so had all the IPads. Apparently, no-one had bothered to record who had received them, and sure as hell, no-one was keen to bring them back! (This is Yorkshire, after all.)

396754 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Annie, 11, #114 of 1877 🔗

Some place local to me where nurses hang out (may be a vaccination centre or a testing centre, I don’t know and don’t care) put out an appeal on a local community facebook page for ‘sandwiches and snacks to be donated to them on a daily basis as there were no canteen facilities and there wasn’t enough food provided when management ordered supplies from outside caterers’. Diddums.

I’m sorry and call me old-fashioned but is there some problem in suggesting that NHS staff might like to consider bringing in their own food. I worked for the civil service for nearly 25 years and, apart from the occasional conference catering, staff were responsible for supplying their own sustenance however they saw fit.

396261 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 17, #115 of 1877 🔗

Sooooo. ‘cases’ deaths and infections are pretty much all down in the same fashion all over the world.

Perhaps because it isn’t a ‘natural’ virus after all?

When a virus can spread as fast in hot countries as it does in cold ones then something is a bit amiss.

396270 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TheBigman, 21, #116 of 1877 🔗

I doubt it’s even a virus, natural or otherwise. it’s pure propaganda: a Big Fat Lie, the Biggest Fattest Lie the world has ever seen

396328 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheBigman, 2, #117 of 1877 🔗

It didn’t do that

396262 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 5, #118 of 1877 🔗

In response to the objective Swedish success some people are saying Anders Tegnell (the greatest public health leader in the world) was fired. Does anybody know if this is true?

396335 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Niborxof, 19, #119 of 1877 🔗

As far as I know he is alive and well! And continuing to do a great job. This man deserves a Nobel prize for sticking to his guns despite the enormous pressures put upon him.

396338 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Niborxof, 3, #120 of 1877 🔗

Think that was just msm wishful thinking.

396264 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 98, #121 of 1877 🔗

As noted above, it appears that the reductions in the levels of COVID 19 are now becoming so apparent that even Chris Whitty has noticed. Of course they claim credit for this due to lockdowns, and the latest one was so effective that the virus clearly got scared as it started to disappear in London and the South East a few days before the lockdown even started !

Even Boris may soon see the blindingly obvious and possibly let schools back before 8 March, but let’s not set ourselves unrealistic expectations, after all 17 people of school age (5-19) died of COVID last year.

Looking back, the hysteria over a virus that’s raised the death rate by under 0.1% of the population and 85% of the dead were over 75 is stunning. My guess is that, over the coming months, we will find many people who agree with what we have been saying for the past year and believe they always did – the capacity for self delusion is always surprising.

Which brings me on to an article in the FT magazine this weekend: ‘How we fool ourselves’. The article covers an ‘emperor has no clothes’ type hysteria in the 1930s involving a fake Vermeer which fooled the art establishment including the leading expert at the time. But it doesn’t take long to launch into an attack on those who take a proportionate view of COVID. From forgeries to Covid-denial, Tim Harford on how we fool ourselves | Financial Times (ft.com)

It’s part of the standard pro-lockdown line  and starts off by talking about false positives and that there was a moment when people realised that PCR tests had ‘a false positive rate’. Now let’s examine this level of understatement. To take a couple of examples, an article in the New York Times from August shows a rare display of rationality and balance on this subject (especially for the NYT): Your Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be. – The New York Times (nytimes.com) . If you do the numbers false or very weak positives account for 90% of the positive results on the day they analyse. Secondly, from Haringey, my home borough, which is one of the few sources comparing PCR positivity rates for the last week (20.5%)  with lateral flow positivity (1.6%). Now I’m sure the believers will come up with many reasons this is not good evidence: too small a sample (it’s not), lateral flows taken for different purposes (can explain a little), false negatives in lateral flows (no more than 50% of asymptomatic cases only – nowhere near enough) etc

The quote that haunts me from the above article is from Abraham Bredius, the leading expert on Vermeer at the time:  “quite different from all his other paintings, but every inch a Vermeer”

It evokes the ‘second wave’ where the official deathcount from COVID (week 38-53) was 28,913, but excess deaths according to the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries were 10,500. Over the whole year, the headline death rate from COVID was 80,830 but excess deaths (from 14 March to 31 December) were 54,000, and that includes those who died because of lockdown as well.

Now 54,000 is 0.09% of the population and the vast majority (85%) were over 70, so why did the lockdown apply to younger people? Secondly, even for the very old (take the over 90s) the chance of dying increased from around 1 in 4.5 to 1 in 4.1 because of the excess deaths, basically a 1 in 46 additional chance of dying for a group that has a 1 in 4 chance of dying anyway. And if you want to look at the human cost, the over 90s have lost nearly all meaning in at least a quarter of their remaining lives in exchange for a tiny improvement in their mortality – for younger people the comparison is increasingly extreme and for the under 50s I think it is no stretch to say the policy of lockdown is revolting.

And then the question is “ does lockdown even work?” Well it is quite clear ours didn’t. There were some European countries e.g Germany, Poland, Switzerland that avoided the worst of the first wave by locking up sooner, but as was so predictable they ‘caught up’ or are catching up in terms of deaths.  A few low density Scandinavian countries avoided the worst of COVID but Sweden which has remarkably similar demographics to the UK excluding London performed almost identically to UK ex London. In fact the graphs of Sweden deaths per million compared to the UK, France, Spain and Italy virtually track each other despite the Swede’s well publicised policies of no lockdown. And if you compare the famously no lockdown Brazil, to its equally famously lockdown mad neighbour Peru, their graphs of deaths per million are frighteningly close. And so on and so on – no, there is no evidence that our lockdowns have achieved anything.

396266 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laurence, 25, #122 of 1877 🔗

Dear Lawrence, you are talking sense.It’s a dangerous thing to do in Zombie Britain.
There are still such things as gridirons, you know.

396276 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Laurence, 25, #123 of 1877 🔗

A tremendously clear summation. You cannot control truth anymore than a virus. Time will out. The tide is certainly turning.

396291 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 24, #124 of 1877 🔗

Tide turning? I’ve lost count of the times we have said that. The tide of stupid is still flowing strongly, alas.
Just stick it out.

396310 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 31, #125 of 1877 🔗

The tide comes in and out everyday.Thats how I have felt about this whole manufactured crisis.Some days up and some days when I cannot see a way out.
The governments own dodgy figures are falling so they are reduced to going door to door to try to generate some more like a desperate double glazing salesman.
That is a cause for optimism but they have a lot more variants to go through.

396312 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Annie, 22, #126 of 1877 🔗

A fair point but a chancellor leaking concerns of economy over CV is a new frontier. However small the progress it is progress. Suggests there is burgeoning mass of MPs beneath to give requisite confidence. Maybe. Maybe

398084 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Niborxof, #127 of 1877 🔗

Maybe King Boris can control the tide…

396281 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 30, #128 of 1877 🔗

The trouble is most people lead by the frighteningly deranged Hancock have their fingers in their ears and are chanting ‘vaccine, vaccine vaccine’. To my mind SARS-Cov2 is not really much better or worse than the range of human respiratory disease viruses.

What it does seem to have done is in this age of social media and celebrity it has managed to establish itself as the ‘Kim Kardashian’ of the virus world. vacuous and of little more real consequence than anything else but with a tremendous PR ability, doing very little but managing to scare the bejeezus out of a public whose points of reference are Strictly Come Dancing and the Kim Kardashian show. And we have been ‘lead’ into this by a P.M. who came to public fame by appearing on a TV comedy panel show. No wonder our response to all this has been conducted like the script for an over the top TV soap opera.
But where do we go from here? what can we do? I am afraid at this point I run out of ideas?

396293 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #129 of 1877 🔗

My inclination is to stuff the zombies full of snake oil and hope they start to act like something approximating to human beings, because lots of them still believe that the snake oil will enable them to do just that.

396527 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Annie, 18, #130 of 1877 🔗

I’m beginning to WANT the zombies to take the vaccine simply to shut them up because I now feel such contempt for their stupidity, if it made them dissolve before my eyes I would almost cheer. Not very Christian, I admit.

396309 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #131 of 1877 🔗

The masses are kept happy by bribe money and Netflix. The former isn’t going to last any longer and there’s only so much Bridgerton crap they can take.

Don’t forget too that the largest cheerleaders for this lockdown are those still on cushy well paid jobs and those with generous pension schemes. When redundancy & bankruptcy catches up with them they will have no choice but to wake up.

396413 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #132 of 1877 🔗

Precisely! Beer and circuses. You are a poster that always talks sense imo.

396557 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #133 of 1877 🔗

The greatest supporters of continued school lockdowns are those sufficiently well paid to be able to afford to pay moonlighting teachers for personal tuition for their own brats.

396621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #134 of 1877 🔗

Indeed and even teachers have been paid all through out this shit show.

396304 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Laurence, 6, #135 of 1877 🔗

The trolley problem article suggests that the government cannot lift restrictions or stop inflating the numbers until many more people have sadlidied than their predictions show will die due to lockdown.

Yes we knew that 105000 people would die due to lockdown but 200000(more?) people died of the virus.

My blood ran cold reading that article. The author was arguing for the release of lockdown but if the Government releases it now then the “colateral” damage is too high.

396333 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Laurence, 3, #136 of 1877 🔗

Excellently put. I don’t know how anyone with a reasonable IQ could read that and not at least start to doubt what they have been told.

396686 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Laurence, 12, #137 of 1877 🔗

“if you compare the famously no lockdown Brazil”

Where does this come from? With the exception of Rondonia and Roraima every other Brazilian state has seen lockdowns. Our famously gobshite president might be vocally anti-lockdown but the supreme court passed the decisions on Covid measures to the individual state governors, much like the USA. Bolsonaro can say whatever he wants, he has NO power to do anything.

Here in São Paulo we went into lockdown a week before the UK, to flatten the curve and protect the health service (sound familiar?). We haven’t been out of lockdown since. Schools might reopen next week, but the teachers union is in court trying to block that, sitting at home on full salary is so much easier. Yesterday our governor decreed that shopping centres can open at weekends with capacity limits and other measures in place. Masks are mandatory, no exemptions.


It’s in Portuguese but it’s pretty self explanatory.

We have suffered the same problems with lockdowns as the UK, mass unemployment, bankrupt businesses, and more families living on the streets. The auxiliary Covid payments and the local version of the furlough ended in December, and our unemployment benefit is for a maximum of six months.

At the beginning people generally observed the restrictions but as time has passed more folk are ignoring them, in some cases because they don’t think the rules apply to them (we have our Piers Morgans too) or out of the necessity to put food on the table. Fortunately our police haven’t gone full STASI so the fines for non-compliance aren’t being handed out.

Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant, but I see this no lockdowns in Brazil idea floated so often that it gets my goat.

397675 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Laurence, 1, #138 of 1877 🔗

Great post. Just one small quibble, don’t expect Boris to see the light, ever.

398083 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Laurence, #139 of 1877 🔗

of course there were also people who should have known better who believed in the Cottingley fairies. And the Piltdown fraud.

It is, of course, the same today.

396265 Annie, 85, #140 of 1877 🔗

One phrase jumped out at me from the Beeb’s report about cancelled cancer ops. ‘Colonic cancer’. I react to that because my mother died of colonic csncer. She was 61, with a happy marriage, a host of hobbies and interests, and was looking forward keenly to a productive retirement.

Colonic cancer kills and it kills fast. Two months from diagnosis to death, in my mother’s case. Only the fastest possible intervention can offer the slightest hope.
To refuse such intervention, when it might save a life, is murder.

Whose life is more valuable, eh? My mother’s, or that of some stooge who just MIGHT get ill from Covid?

396273 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 36, #141 of 1877 🔗

We have been used to being treated as children these last 10 months,now we are being treated as infants.
“Being coughed over can increase your chances of catching infections!!!”
Now let me think?
When I want to walk, now do I put my left leg first or would it be my right leg?, Difficult decision??

396290 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #142 of 1877 🔗

Ah, but can you tell the difference between an arm and a leg?

396306 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 4, #143 of 1877 🔗

Left or right??
Don’t confuse an old man, Annie.

396331 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 5, #144 of 1877 🔗

At the bottom of my back, I’ve got an elbow

396468 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, 3, #145 of 1877 🔗

Don’t worry Annie. At the end of this we’ll all be so poor we’ll not have an arm or leg to stand on.

397248 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, #146 of 1877 🔗

Miss, miss, Billy keeps doing the okey cokey!

396339 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #147 of 1877 🔗

Next we’ll be treated as pets, then just livestock, theres no denying many have been well & truly domesticated.

396348 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #148 of 1877 🔗

Any chance of a bonio?

396466 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #149 of 1877 🔗

We’ve been treated like children for years now… creeping infantilisation has come from America, where people have been in linguistic arrested development for most of my life.

American English is full of infantile euphemisms, and we know that our lexicon circumscribes our higher order thoughts.

I’ve come to the conclusion over recent years that USA has poisoned the well of the Anglosphere irreversibly.

396279 Thomasina, replying to Thomasina, 28, #150 of 1877 🔗

Anyone on here following the progress of Michael O’Bernicias PCP against the Gov? I did notice yesterday on his main post that ‘apparently’ Sky actually filmed Captain Tom Moore having his ‘vaccination’ a few days before he died and it is now being denied. I would find this complete ‘cover up’ hard to believe as many people would have been present from cameramen to Sir Toms family. But then again there is a complete media blackout on anything adverse reaction related. And more and people are picking up on the correlation between the vaccine roll-out and the near 50% spike in all cause mortality of the over 50s. Interesting to see how this plays out.

396294 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Thomasina, 7, #151 of 1877 🔗

Family denies that Tom took the magic vaxx. Apparently he was too old and frail.

396398 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to FerdIII, 5, #152 of 1877 🔗

It makes sense politically as well. Don’t you think that the Tomster would have been right up there with the 91 going on 61 yr old Irishwoman and the Bard of Warks getting his jab pour encourager les autres?

396784 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #153 of 1877 🔗

Yes. I find it hard to believe that he went to Barbados, whilst as fit and healthy as a 100 year old can expect to be, a couple of days before Christmas and two weeks after the fanfare of the first jabs, and we are supposed to believe that he hadn’t been given the jab. Doesn’t ring true to me, unless he himself had the sense to refuse it.

396317 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Thomasina, 16, #154 of 1877 🔗

During the miners’ strike in 1984 the corporate media reported that the miners had attacked the police at Orgreave. The broadcast media showed film of it as the lead news item. The representation was completely false. Yet it took a decade before the corporate media was prepared to present the true story.

396391 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Thomasina, 4, #155 of 1877 🔗

A comment here a few days ago suggested Moore was given the jab, but when searching recently no news can be found. The same as your post suggests.


396284 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #157 of 1877 🔗

Philosophy Phursday

Big Think: Camus on why accepting absurdity is the start of a fruitful life.

396474 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #158 of 1877 🔗

I’m instinctively resistant to Camus, but I cannot honestly say I think he’s wrong.

396286 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #159 of 1877 🔗

News from the BBC.Pic and mix vaccines on the way.Its being trialled to see if a mixture of different vaccines for each dose work.As the science bends to fit government policy then we can expect it to happen soon.
The news yesterday was that the vaccine second dose is just as effective after 3 months which exactly mirrors government policy on that too.

396287 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to jonathan Palmer, 13, #160 of 1877 🔗

“As the science bends to fit government policy” – it stops being science, is the new voodoo!

396288 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 25, #161 of 1877 🔗

Science ceased on March 23 2020

397416 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to jonathan Palmer, #162 of 1877 🔗

A valid point, although I would suggest James Hansen’s testimony to congress in June 1988 as a contender.

396289 ▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #163 of 1877 🔗

Reminds me of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead :

Ros. Consistency is all I ask.
Guil. Give us this day our daily mask.

396292 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 16, #164 of 1877 🔗

‘and forgive us our asymptomatic spreading, as we forgive those who spread and murder against us….and lead us not to rational thought….but deliver us from freedom’

396318 ▶▶ alw, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #165 of 1877 🔗

There was an article in the Torygraph this morning which said they were going to trial these mix-and-match vaccines on young people. Unfortunately it has been removed from the site. Possibly because of comments saying pointless as virus barely affects young and other issues.

396323 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to alw, 3, #166 of 1877 🔗

Did it give a reason for this approach? Can’t fathom why you would mess around with treatments like this if you think the existing protocols ‘work’. Surely it is just another waste of time and money to add to the pile?

396340 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #167 of 1877 🔗

Doesn’t AIDS treatment mix and match different anti-virals to increase the effect? I have no medical knowledge whatsoever and not sure if this works for “vaccines” as opposed to treatments but maybe they are hoping for a similar effect, I recall that many amateur cyclists I knew used to mix aspirin, caffeine and decongestants for a barely legal and pretty crazy pre competition boost, each working to enhance the other.

397254 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to alw, 2, #168 of 1877 🔗

I heard on Planet Rock news about pick and mix jabs. I think they said 800 people. Did not hear very well as I was swearing at the previous item. Sorry.

396471 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #169 of 1877 🔗

They don’t need to do trials. They just do what they like anyway.

396541 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #170 of 1877 🔗

Exactly so.

396302 Julian, 14, #171 of 1877 🔗

Slightly harder hitting update today, though it’s a shame that the lead article uses the word “wave”, mirroring Whitty. Isn’t it settled science that in general viruses don’t do waves?

Love the Daily Mail being puzzled over how come covid “cases” are dropping in many places, and their desperation to find explanations that fit the narrative

396305 Suet, 7, #172 of 1877 🔗

I’d wondered why they’d softened us up over ‘asymptomatic’ spread … because isn’t that what the ‘vaccines’ will do? Suppress symptoms, but not suppress – or, rather, encourage – spread?

396311 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 40, #173 of 1877 🔗

A glimmer of hope?
The Mail reports that Rishi Sunak is stirring into action and accusing SAGE etc of moving the goalposts………… it’s the economy stupid.

I also notice the Carl Heneghan has started to be a bit more active lately. It is as if the hysterical febrile atmosphere since Christmas has meant that many have kept their heads down. But a bit like the army commander who waits until the enemy has run out of petrol before launching an attack, these people have now recognised that the tide is starting to turn………….we live in hope?

396314 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #174 of 1877 🔗

Carl Heneghan did that great interview in Talk Radio where he did challenge that O’Brien loser to a debate. He’s still waiting for a response.

396587 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #175 of 1877 🔗

Bizarrely, O’Brien responded in a tweet to Julia Hartley Brewer, saying that he “didn’t believe that CH needed any more publicity”. Everything I have read about Neil O’Brien makes it obvious he comes from the most loathsome part of the Tory Party; Oxford Educated, former SPAD (to Theresa May, of all people) and now a grandstanding coward. He’ll obviously go far in politics!

396641 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sceptical Steve, 1, #176 of 1877 🔗

He’s like Uriah Heep. Possibly angling for a promotion but he deserves a P45.

396315 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #177 of 1877 🔗

Mate, you’ll love our Carl Henghan/NOBrien top trumps in the latest episode: https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7584277-ep-18-politics-science-europe-and-hope

397262 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #178 of 1877 🔗

That was so funny. Next up Piss Morgan and Dr Hilary vs Mike Yeadon.

396316 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #179 of 1877 🔗

If last year is anything to go by, they’ve now got a solid 8 month window to dislodge those in situ before nature causes another uptick in cases.

396327 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #180 of 1877 🔗

I think it’s because the vaccinations will see a sudden drop in hospitalisations in the next few weeks. This will create space for a fresh debate about re-opening again. Sunak is trying to ensure that the aim does not creep from save the NHS to Zero-Covid. Boris will try to thread the needle by setting an ultra-slow normalisation pathway. The opposite of boiling frogs if you like.

Needless to say my household never locked down since we have to protect our sanity – not doing so is well known to literally take years off your life. But we can only live as normal a life as others around us are prepared to. Perfectly rational friends of mine have been reduced to quivering jellies with this latest lockdown and are no longer prepared to ignore the ‘rules’ in the way they were previously. So I would welcome official re-opening that stops them being so fearful.

396359 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #181 of 1877 🔗

Fishi’s everlasting furlough shows how much he cares about the economy.

396385 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #182 of 1877 🔗

If Rishi can find the goalposts do you think he could tell us where they are?

396402 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #183 of 1877 🔗

i heard the vaxx minister with JHB just now on Talkradio and they were on about vaccines and he was saying needed the ‘whole world’ to be vaccinated before get back to normal.
So I think they are setting the scene that they will reduce restrictions nationally in coming months, but internationally I think they will continue to crack down. I saw somewhere about extending the countries needing hotel imprisonment being extended, so you can see where this is going that all international travel will require imprisonment on return like NZ and Australia.

396778 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to penelope pitstop, 10, #184 of 1877 🔗

Or the introduction of the main aim of the show – a ”covid passport” which will allow miraculous passage through the quarantine portals. So bleedin’obvious what the game is.

397276 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #185 of 1877 🔗

What a fucking moron. How many people died of flu last year? How many people did you vaccinate? How many did not die? Why would you want to vaccinate the under 40’s? You do understand we can still spread and catch the disease after i am jabbed? You do know i have fuck all chance of dying of it? Like over 99% chance of not dying. I am sorry I do not consent to be part of your experimental vaccine and I hope you burn in hell for the deaths your jab and lockdowns have caused.

396473 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #186 of 1877 🔗

Sunak is a bit like Albert Speer, the Nazi who gave the most convincing impression that his heart wasn’t quite in it.

396313 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 8, #187 of 1877 🔗

Morning all! Excellent update as usual Will.

If you’ve not listened yet, here the latest episode from our podcast:

Ep 18. Politics, Science, Europe and Hope

Should politicians persecute scientists? We explore the European Unions response to COVID and the vaccine rollout. We keep an eye on the UK’s excellent progress whilst exploring 1984 themes today.

We finish with a brief essay on the history of Soviet Russia and how we could be repeating the repressive mistakes of the past.


396319 alw, replying to alw, 10, #188 of 1877 🔗

Dr Claire Craig on aysomptomatic.

396324 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to alw, 3, #189 of 1877 🔗

Oh my using science and common sense. The Twaturd and Farcebook mobs will be baying for her blood.

396407 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 5, #190 of 1877 🔗

Vaccines prevent disease. Diseases require symptoms. There is no such thing as an asymptomatic disease.

Someone with ‘asymptomatic COVID’ is either immune or a false positive test result . Of course vaccination isn’t going to impact on that.

396320 msnoakesy, replying to msnoakesy, 5, #191 of 1877 🔗

Why are cases suddenly dropping around the world? Perhaps because the WHO recently recommended reducing the PCR cycle threshold. Smoke and mirrors, but most will swallow it.

396820 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to msnoakesy, 2, #192 of 1877 🔗

Undoubtedly. There has to be a strategic reason for their recommendation…the challenge is to work out what the tactic is intended to achieve at this stage! It has to be something underhand.

397111 ▶▶▶ Strangetimes, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #193 of 1877 🔗

Reiner Fuellmich’s lawsuit complaining about the (mis)use of PCR tests

397375 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Strangetimes, #194 of 1877 🔗

Yes, you’re most likely right. I’ve been following events on that front quite closely. Here’s hoping it achieves something significant.

396321 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 16, #195 of 1877 🔗

The legacy: £33m for sweets and fizzy drinks.

396356 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 8, #196 of 1877 🔗

Wonder how many cokes tested positive.

396369 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 4, #197 of 1877 🔗

Makes you wish that Captain Tom shouldn’t have bothered. Or just stuck to his £100 target.

396408 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #198 of 1877 🔗

Should have set it up as a bursary to train new ICU nurses.

396494 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #199 of 1877 🔗

That would have been better and there’s a specific purpose. So they can’t touch the money other than for training ICU nurses.

396555 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #200 of 1877 🔗

Damn fine idea – too late now. (Saddest words in the English language)

396329 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 25, #201 of 1877 🔗

I tend to avoid tv nowadays, but as Peston was talking to Anders Tegnell (my hero) I felt compelled to watch.
Tegnell was good! Calm and measured.
Two points really struck me though.

As you know Sweden kept schools open and infection amongst teachers is no different from the general population. Anders made that point and a minute or so later Peston asked David Davies, if schools were going to open on March 8th. Davies said that this was still to be seen…..
So in my opinion any journalist worth their soul would have asked ‘why not? Look at Sweden’. But Peston didn’t …

Secondly there was a Labour MP advocating zero Covid. It was clear from several comments she made she is not a scientist and clearly does not understand the concept of an endemic virus. My bood started to boil!

Unfortunately it meant another sleepless night…..

396351 ▶▶ Annie, replying to MFvH, 5, #202 of 1877 🔗

Journalists have souls?
Try audio books for the sleepless night, they divert your thoughts. Just put a sleep timer on them, or let them run their course.

396394 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MFvH, 20, #203 of 1877 🔗

Virus 101 facts

1) it is impossible to eradicate a virus
2) all viruses mutate
3) if asymptomatic you cannot infect others

396437 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Victoria, 6, #204 of 1877 🔗

an ‘asymptomatic illness’ – it’s Orwellian doublespeak. ‘a living death’ – now that’s an oxymoron, and we can all recognise how real that is

396460 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #205 of 1877 🔗

Can cancer not be asymptomatic?

396708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to stewart, 1, #206 of 1877 🔗

Not for long

396487 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 5, #207 of 1877 🔗

I have Morgellons disease and cannot wear a a mask
You’d be surprised how often that works

397298 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Victoria, #208 of 1877 🔗

I would love to know who started this zero covid cobblers? We carry it around with us. Are they going to start culling us?

396332 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #209 of 1877 🔗

The trolley thought experiment that is used ATL as a way of thinking about the government’s response to the coronavirus is rather misleading. It suggests that the government has decided to sacrifice one life to save four. However, what the government has done is decide to sacrifice an unknown number of actual lives in order to save an unknown number of hypothetical lives. In terms of the trolley thought experiment, the four people on the line are merely figments of imagination, but the fat man is a real flesh and blood human being, and the government has thrown him under the trolley and is now desperately pretending that the four imaginary people are real and there are sixteen of them, no two hundred and fifty-six, no… (everything is exponential in this narrative).

396337 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #210 of 1877 🔗

The complete article makes pretty much the same point.

396344 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #211 of 1877 🔗

Yes & the pragmatic decision was to sacrfice the fat man for the healthy young ones (i’m assuming they were healthier). This shit-show is what happens when you let emotive nonsense get in the way of common sense.

396355 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #212 of 1877 🔗

I’d argue they pulled the lever to save their own careers

396396 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #213 of 1877 🔗

yep, they’d chuck anyone on the line just as long as it isn’t one of them

396386 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #214 of 1877 🔗

On the behalf of fat men everywhere, I just want to note rather pedantically that the value of his weight is in its ability to halt an on-coming train, not in its intersection with COVID susceptibility.

But with reference to this idea, I would moot that in fact we have been running over 4 healthy people to save the fat man. Possibly because it’s harder to hide the remains of one fat man than it is 4 healthy people especially once he’s derailed the train and there’s too many witnesses. In fact I’d go so far as to say, the government and SAGE have shoved 4 healthy children on the tracks and rescued the fat man.

396432 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #215 of 1877 🔗

it was never about saving lives, or any moral dilemma

396334 james007, replying to james007, 17, #216 of 1877 🔗

…citing an estimate for their typical impact on transmission of 6-15% ( possibly as high as 45% ).

How can anyone take these people seriously?

396380 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to james007, 2, #217 of 1877 🔗

Guessing that’s from the confidence interval. E.g. I think danmask study was plus 46% to minus 23% effective, with a 95% confidence.

397310 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to james007, 1, #218 of 1877 🔗

Try that at the bookies. Score prediction 0-0 possibly 9-9. And all points in between.

396342 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #219 of 1877 🔗

Run as many hares as you can

Morning children. Today we will be looking through the round window

Today smiling Ted is going to tell us a fairytale about mixing magic potions. His potions have always been magic, but if you mix them together they become super dooper magic

Ted decided to do this when the evil Swiss Gnomes started saying one of his potions wasn’t magic anymore

Anyway I’ll let Ted tell it

396349 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 9, #220 of 1877 🔗

Izzy whizzy let’s get busy,
Snake oil mixes make me dizzy.

396345 Apache, replying to Apache, 5, #221 of 1877 🔗

There are continuing announcements that the latest Oxford team report states that the AZ vaccine prevents 66% of transmission. Zahawi just made this statement to Talk Radio. I cannot find this data in the preprint. Can anybody else?


396350 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Apache, 5, #222 of 1877 🔗

Ask him to bend over. Then you’ll find it.

396371 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Apache, 3, #223 of 1877 🔗

It reduces instance of positive PCR swabs in those vaccinated by 67%, suggesting it will reduce transmission – they didn’t test for actual transmission.

396602 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, #224 of 1877 🔗

Only 2% for asymptomatics though. That’s a messed up head scratcher for the Covid zealots now. So if 1 in 3 have Covid without symptoms, as Hancock wants us to believe, this vaccine is pointless. Something has to give, but no media are calling them on this contradiction

396379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Apache, 9, #225 of 1877 🔗

Well, let’s assume that’s true – and to me it seems plausible – let’s think about this. We know the “vaccine” doesn’t make you “immune” necessarily, just reduces symptoms. At least that is what the makers claim. If this is the case, how on earth does it prevent transmission. Could it be that aymptomatic transmission is not actually a thing at all? Like to see at least one journalist ask how both these things could be true at once.

396392 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 2, #226 of 1877 🔗

I’m afraid that level of thinking is beyond them.

396839 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Julian, 1, #227 of 1877 🔗

“Asymptomatic transmission is not actually a thing at all”?

Therein lies the answer.

Even those ‘experts’ who claim it has happened in a few cases are basing their conclusions on people who may have had false positive results at their initial PCR test or at their subsequent one.

397316 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Julian, 1, #228 of 1877 🔗

Ooooh shocking no!! Oh no I’m melting, melting, what a world!

396346 The Dominie, replying to The Dominie, 12, #229 of 1877 🔗

Wonderful snow up here in Scotland – the best for a decade. But we are forbidden to travel to enjoy it!


Quite apart from any ‘risk of virus transmission’, were I skiing today or any day, other skiers would be well advised to stay well more than 2m away from me!

396829 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to The Dominie, 1, #230 of 1877 🔗

This was the argument I tried to use about golf.

My ball was quite good at ensuring that I self distance from every other golfer, particularly on fairways and greens.

396352 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #231 of 1877 🔗

‘Covid – little impact on the death rate, but a big impact on the birth rate:

Research has concluded that the US will experience 500,000 fewer births in 2021, as couples choose not to have children because of the coronavirus fallout.

The findings by the Brookings Institute were published last week in the Wall Street Journal , which noted that there will be “between 300,000 to 500,000 fewer births in the U.S. next year, compared with a drop of 44,172 last year.”
The numbers equate to a 13% drop from the 3.8 million babies born in 2019.”

Read in full:


396427 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 5, #232 of 1877 🔗

so the plan is working a treat.

396723 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #233 of 1877 🔗

In fairness, if the options are population control by bumping people off or population control by reducing new arrivals, I’d opt for the latter.

396445 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to rockoman, 2, #234 of 1877 🔗

The only breeding going on was by government advisors.

396353 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 49, #235 of 1877 🔗

A much better update than the last few ones. Thanks to the team!

The article about hand sanitiser is so spot on and should be circulated more widely. Even when they were first introduced, I remember an acquaintance who was a medical student then warning us that they’re not good for the immune system long term and advised us that they should be used sparingly and only if there are no proper handwashing facilities.

More than 20 years later, her advice is still one that should be heeded.

We’ve seen photos of children’s hands on social media showing the effects of too much sanitiser. It’s criminal what they’re doing to kids – not only are they messing up with their mental health but also with their immune system. No wonder they catch every cold and bug going.

When my workplace was open I was amazed at the number of people who would sanitise their hands every time they saw a sanitising point. Or even after they’ve gone to the toilet where they’ve presumably washed their hands.

Jesus wept. How people have regressed quickly.

396360 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #236 of 1877 🔗

I went to a Catholic Church a few months ago for a funeral. The holy water had been replaced with hand sanitizer.

396363 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to rockoman, 7, #237 of 1877 🔗

Holy hand sanitizer

Yes it can be blessed too

396364 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to rockoman, 1, #238 of 1877 🔗


396366 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to rockoman, 6, #239 of 1877 🔗

“Holy hand sanitiser, Batman!”.

396451 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rockoman, 4, #240 of 1877 🔗

Just shows that Covid has become the new religion.

396361 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #241 of 1877 🔗

Well said. The only time I ever use hand sanitsier is when I’m on trains and the toilet facilities have no soap available. Sanitiser should not be a substitute for ordinary soap and water and should not be forced on us as often as it has been this past year. Not only that, but it feels and smells vile.

396373 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 19, #242 of 1877 🔗

When we were allowed to trade ‘normally’, it would amuse me when customers were searching in vain for our sanitiser station. Often the cry would come “but where’s your sanitiser?” We would reply that there was ample hot water and soap in the bathroom.

396387 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 17, #243 of 1877 🔗

Had that as well. One sanitising point was empty so I radioed for refills to be brought. A visitor was waiting so I directed her to the toilets so she can wash her hands but she refused and said that she would rather wait for the refill to arrive.

Jesus wept.

396397 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #244 of 1877 🔗

I’ve been a long term user of sanitiser, way before this all started, but ONLY carried it for situations where I couldn’t wash my hands, particularly if eating or drinking straight after being on public transport. Have you seen what your fellow passengers do? Yuk. But, one tiny bottle would last a very long time.

396415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WasSteph, 8, #245 of 1877 🔗

I’ve always carried one as well but one bottle can last me years since I would rather use soap and water.

396382 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 11, #246 of 1877 🔗

Ditto. I haven’t used the gunk since this shit show happened and only used it when the toilet facilities either have no soap (like in Japan believe it or not) or they’ve ran out of soap.

I remember nearly gagging when I was in a supermarket and the couple before me have slathered industrial quantities of the gunk in their hands.

396513 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 13, #247 of 1877 🔗

Just before Christmas I was refused entry to the swimming pool where I have an annual membership because I refused to use the hand gel at the entrance and said I would use soap and water instead. That wasn’t good enough, so after an argument I turned around and went home.

By the time I’d had it out with the manager and established that soap and water was indeed acceptable, the current lockdown was upon us so I still can’t swim.

Oh well, by about April it will be warm enough to get back in the sea …

Crazy world.

396367 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #248 of 1877 🔗

I think some people like to use it because the slight burning sensation it causes makes them ‘believe’ that it is more effective than hand washing.

396370 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #249 of 1877 🔗

Agree. I wonder if they will change their tune if they’re told that the “burning” sensation is actually bad for them.

396390 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #250 of 1877 🔗

Perhaps if they tried it on their faces they might realise that?

397399 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to vargas99, #251 of 1877 🔗

Or on their arses. Don’t ask how I know.

396423 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #252 of 1877 🔗

no, their tune will only change if they’re told it can give them covid

396395 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #253 of 1877 🔗

We’re supposed to use hand sanitiser on entering any of the buildings at work.

I won’t use it unless there is someone actually standing by the hand sanitiser bottle. And yes we have had this policed by senior management.

Personally I’d rather have a few germs to protect my immune system.

396412 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ambwozere, 9, #254 of 1877 🔗

I’ve heard of anecdotal evidence where school kids have found a way of dodging the hand sanitiser at the school gates. One is where they would make vigorous hand rubbing movements as they enter to say they’ve sanitised on the way in. Two is where they carry their own bottle and say they’re allergic to the one the school uses so they have their own.

396421 ▶▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #255 of 1877 🔗

I’ve done that too at work, pretend to use the sanitiser. Rebel that I am.

396440 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #256 of 1877 🔗

school kids have found a way of dodging the hand sanitiser

Sadly the 7 year old did not yet get it ….

396477 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #257 of 1877 🔗

I do that all the time at shops!

396804 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #258 of 1877 🔗

My county’s website for attending the registry office says you MUST sanitise your hands on entry AND EXIT.

396858 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #259 of 1877 🔗

A few weeks ago I had to sit for about half an hour in a veterinary practice’s waiting room where they had a sanitiser dispensing machine. One of the nursing staff must have come out of one of the consultation rooms literally every five minutes to get a squirt of the concoction. It was clear that he was loving the whole drama. He may well live to regret it.

I have avoided using any hand sanitiser, and at the vets I was going to pretend to use it when they asked me to, but it was automated and came out as soon as you placed your hand underneath so I was thwarted!

396357 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #260 of 1877 🔗


‘A safe space where bullshitters can ask questions of other bullshitters’

396362 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Cecil B, 6, #261 of 1877 🔗

A bullshit support group if you will..

396458 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cecil B, 4, #262 of 1877 🔗

Plus the 2 minutes hate section where Piers Morgan will wheel out some unfortunate who has pointed out the emperor is naked and in true Roland Freisler fashion lambast and demonise them with invective pour les encourager les autres.

396358 Basileus, 16, #263 of 1877 🔗

A good set of articles today so well done the team. But do I have to be greeted by a picture of Witless over my breakfast cereal?

396372 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #264 of 1877 🔗

The Ceaușescuian silence of the clap

396411 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #265 of 1877 🔗

It’s funny, not watching the telly news, has also made me go deaf.

396374 davews, replying to davews, 9, #266 of 1877 🔗


Birmingham City Council said the two people tested positive in early January, but it was not until Friday when random tests picked up the variant.

So if as we suspected the variant is only found in samples which have had extra sequencing on them and this doesn’t take place for several weeks, why on earth are we panicking on door to door tests when anybody who had this new virus at the start of the year will have long since passed it to all and sundry and maybe even suffered and recovered from it? Just as much out of date news as Whitless saying cases are now dropping. The trio hasn’t a clue, why doesn’t everybody realise we are being taken for a ride?

396388 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to davews, 2, #267 of 1877 🔗

See: Running as many hares as you can

396375 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 54, #268 of 1877 🔗

I’m getting tired of hearing that Boris Johnson ‘hopes’ schools will open on March 8th, or that he is ‘pushing’ for it.

He doesn’t need to ‘hope’ or ‘push’ for anything. He is the elected Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. He is the one running the country and it is literally his job to make important decisions. The buck stops with him.

This really goes to show how sorely our government is lacking in leadership and how in thrall Johnson is to the unelected control-freaks in SAGE.

396381 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Poppy, 14, #269 of 1877 🔗

Indeed! If he was a proper leader he would just get it done

396383 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 6, #270 of 1877 🔗

Yes and he had nearly a full term (5 years) at the start of this and a huge majority

396389 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Poppy, 18, #271 of 1877 🔗

Johnson is no leader and never has been.

396405 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Poppy, 25, #272 of 1877 🔗

He’s a complete and utter disappointment. No leadership skills whatsoever.
I’m only shocked that it appears some public opinion is behind him. That will change and he’ll go down in history as a sort of “anti Churchill”. The very opposite of how he sees himself.

396430 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 14, #273 of 1877 🔗

Agree. Why does he need to “push” or “hope”? Just get on with it especially as there’s more than enough studies to show that it’s safe to open schools and that the closure has done more harm than good.

Of course the teachers’ union will fight back and strike. Let them go on strike.

While they do that, line up replacements and hand the striking teachers their P45s!

That’s what Trudeau (Pere not Fils) did when the underground drivers went on strike. He just brought forward the introduction of driverless trains and handed the striking drivers their P45s. Which brought an end to the strike.

396497 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #274 of 1877 🔗

I’ve said before, I’ll do a few terms of Science GCSE if the “professionals” are still scared. Sitting with my boys as they did past papers in the 2007 and 2009 cohort it was pretty Micky mouse stuff as I recall.
I know what would happen though; it would take a year to get my degree authenticated and to make sure I’m not a paedophile. Look what happened to all those doctors and nurses who tried to return.

396504 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WasSteph, 3, #275 of 1877 🔗

Or why not fast track those currently doing their education degree or teacher training diplomas?

I have a teaching qualification overseas but the bureaucratic way to convert them is a farce. Not as bad as a few years ago when I was told I had to do another teacher training but I will never enter the profession now especially after seeing the sort of people one has to put up with.

397339 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #276 of 1877 🔗

Yep good idea. We fully support and understand your rights to stay at home and not teach. We hope you also support and understand our position to not pay you! See you on Monday.

396553 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 2, #277 of 1877 🔗

Yep, they have shown, spectacularly, that they can DO whatever they want. If it suits them.

397039 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Poppy, 3, #278 of 1877 🔗

Sorry Poppy, a little correction. The PM doesn’t run the country, the Civil Service does. The ‘Deep State’ is running Boris Johnson.

396376 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #279 of 1877 🔗

As testing continues to dog the US response to Covid-19, Harvard epidemiologist
has a plan: mass-produce faster (but less-accurate) saliva-based tests that don’t require lab processing, & make them a ubiquitous part of life.

Our conversation, from today’s GPS:


396378 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 1, #280 of 1877 🔗

Another one wanting to cash in!!

396393 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 24, #281 of 1877 🔗

“Persons who are vomiting should remove the mask”
…truly, we are living on Clown World.

396403 ▶▶ iane, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 7, #282 of 1877 🔗

Yes, but think of the likely spread of the virus: best to just swallow!

396416 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to iane, 3, #283 of 1877 🔗

yes, vomiting is a very powerful aerosol. i think it should be made illegal, lock ’em up!

396441 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to iane, 3, #284 of 1877 🔗

This calls for well funded research into “the splash factor”

396470 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #285 of 1877 🔗

Remember when people were flooded out, they were told that it would be quite alright to break lockdown rules and leave their homes.

396400 Julian, replying to Julian, 2, #286 of 1877 🔗

Latest from Andrew Lawrence

Always on the money


396453 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, #287 of 1877 🔗

Just watched that. It’s funny cos its true!

396401 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #288 of 1877 🔗

Is it just me, or is the graph above, possible evidence that the decline is man made? Not talking about vaccines, but the way testing is operating across the western world. It was predicted here months ago that the plan might be to wait until maximum testing had created the second wave and then alter testing criteria. Bingo, we’ve beaten Covid, the great leaders would shout.

The fact that everywhere is declining at roughly the same time can’t be just down to herd immunity. It can’t be explained by vaccinations, that have only just begun in some locations. In SA the seasonality is arse about face!

So what else happened mid January that could have caused this?

396404 ▶▶ iane, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #289 of 1877 🔗

Shhh, don’t mention Trump (oooops!).

396429 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to iane, 3, #290 of 1877 🔗

Well the WHO changed the PCR testing criteria at the same time. So the question remains, were these two things related?

396840 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #291 of 1877 🔗

Not to mention that Pfizer happened to announce the first available vaccine the day after the election, but not until after there had been a massive swing in the votes cast in every one of swing states over a period of four hours away from Trump to Biden

Pure coincindence of course.

396452 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #292 of 1877 🔗

“So what else happened mid January that could have caused this?”


396409 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #293 of 1877 🔗

Just going back to Melbourne where there has been one positive test at the tennis – apparently a quarantine hotel worker. Somebody mentioned yesterday about false positives. How does that work in Australia? with all the testing you would expect quite a lot more false positive results and how would they distinguish between a false positive and a real positive? It seems pointless to ask but I will!

396447 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Steeve, #294 of 1877 🔗

Maybe they subtract several % to adjust for false positives?

396534 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Steeve, #295 of 1877 🔗

Some countries don’t count cases as positive test results alone. Some use the proper definition of a case which is a full diagnosis (examination + test).

396579 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steeve, 1, #296 of 1877 🔗

They’ll still get false positives. It’s an inevitability. What they do is double test and look for anomolies in the data. Maybe they even sequence the samples. Use practical CTs.

Australia does have a more robust assessment process, I’ve seen some of their official guidance. They don’t want to ruin their zero Covid certification

397352 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #297 of 1877 🔗

Yep the difference between keeping cases low to show we are effective as opposed to keeping cases high to keep everyone terrified. Anybody like to guess which one is us?

396410 WasSteph, 19, #298 of 1877 🔗

Congratulations to Will. Proper sceptical headline. Well done, keep it coming.

396419 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #299 of 1877 🔗


Mike Yeadon on mutant variants and the narrative of ‘stamping down’ on them as Hancock would say.

Once again it is plain to see this narrative is a distraction. A psychological operation to distract the populace from thoughts of freedom, and keep them in perpetual fear.

396422 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #300 of 1877 🔗

And the lack of backbone and self censorship continues to astound. I like that Yeadon is there to act as a voice for these people but they are only perpetuating this for everyone by not speaking up.

396581 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #301 of 1877 🔗

exactly, we can’t put all the burden on one man: one man is weak, in the end he can be crushed like an insect underfoot. EVERYBODY needs to speak up: it really is a matter of where we go one we go all

396426 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #302 of 1877 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi was interviewed by Julia Hartley Brewer this morning, and was asked about the constantly moving goalposts from the government. He slathered on about how many had been vaccina, who was going to be vaccinated next, etc etc, but totally failed to answer the question, as she and Tom Slater noted after the interview.

396433 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to LMS2, #303 of 1877 🔗

Run the hares

396438 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to LMS2, 4, #304 of 1877 🔗

Talk of the vaccine is just reinforcing the lie that it means this is over. Again, people will take time to catch up on that and the narrative will have moved on. Maybe to something about us all needing boosters before we open up due to vaccine evading mutants.

396469 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to LMS2, 7, #305 of 1877 🔗

Not having heard of Zahawi before a few months ago I looked him up on Wiki and was surprised to see this banner above the profile:

This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies

Never seen that before on anyone’s profile , then reading further a possible reason emerged .
Picking some of (IMO) less savoury aspects of his highly successful and profitable career:

In October 2013, he became a member of the Number 10 Policy Unit . [9] Later in October, Zahawi and fellow member of the Business, Innovation and Skills Committee interviewed Lazard , the Government’s independent adviser on the sale of Royal Mail . Shares quickly rose to £5 following flotation at £3.30 and the Financial Times claimed that two investment banks had warned that it was underpriced. [10]

Zahawi is vice-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Kurdistan Region in Iraq, [11] which receives secretarial support from Gulf Keystone Petroleum International, an oil company of which Zahawi is Chief Strategy Officer. [12] Concerns have been raised about how MPs’ independence might be compromised by such links between APPGs and private companies, and specifically about how Zahawi’s connections with the oil industry affect his role as MP. [

In January 2016 and as one of 72 MPs who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property, Zahawai voted down an amendment in Parliament requiring rental homes be “fit for human habitation”. [19]

Zahawi claimed for 2012/13 a total of £170,234 in expenses, ranking him the 130th highest out of 650 MPs. [24] He explained in his local newspaper Stratford Herald that the “vast bulk” of his expenses was on staffing costs. [25]
In November 2013 Zahawi “apologised unreservedly” after The Sunday Mirror reported that he had claimed £5,822 expenses for electricity for his riding school stables and a yard manager’s mobile home. [26] Zahawi said the mistake arose because he received a single bill covering both a meter in the stables and one in his house. He would repay the money though the actual overcharge was £4,000. [27] An article in The Independent also drew attention to the large number of legitimate but trivial items on Zahawi’s expenses. [28]

In late January 2018, it was reported in the media that Zahawi was one of the attendees at a men-only dinner event organised by the Presidents Club at the Dorchester Hotel in London. [39] Media reports have alleged that female hostesses were subjected to sexual harassment and incidents of groping and inappropriate touch.

I now understand the warning on the Wiki bannerhead .
And this man is in charge of vaccination program of experimental , basically untested , gene therapy on millions of people .
God help us , although a lifetime experience suggests that His preferences lie elsewhere.

396420 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #306 of 1877 🔗

Any idea of the false positive rate for Covid tests. I understood it to be 5%

396596 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #308 of 1877 🔗

thanks for that. Looking at the Covid Dashboard there have been 156k positive tests in the last seven days out of roughly 4.4 million tests. So a 3.5% positive rate. Allowing for false positives it would appear there are not many people testing positive. It’s too soon for the vaccinated population to make a difference. Is it possible the CT has been changed?

396435 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, #309 of 1877 🔗

Depends on which test. They all have their various configurations that can lead to higher or lower FPs. The easy way to monitor them, and tbe process of testing which can also elad to contamination, is to send non-covid swabs blind through these labs and independently confirm the results. If you do this on a scale representative of the testing industry we have, you can put to bed concerns on False Positives, not cold positives (related to CTs) however.

Are they doing this blind validation of testing regimes? If they are why not be open about it and put this to bed?

396431 Binra, replying to Binra, 3, #310 of 1877 🔗

One of my favourite quotes with relation to micribiota:

“It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities.

Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely.

Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.” (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)

I may add that the ‘Jeshua’ parts of the book offer a condensed wisdom and integrity of being that speak to the heart of our human condition but particularly to the underlying conditioning that plagues and bedevils our current sense of life, self and world. Regardless of the contextual framing of the author of the book. Whoever and whatever the messenger may be, coherence and integrity resonate. But will ‘intellectual’ snobbery ever allow looking where its sense of self-specialness over life is not supported?

396448 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Binra, 3, #311 of 1877 🔗

Fantastic. I love those who write in such a way as to bring together scientific knowledge and discuss the spiritual implications. The best can do this.

397023 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #312 of 1877 🔗

…as to bring together scientific knowledge and discuss the spiritual implications. The best can do this.

General relativity is bollocks. Einstein will burn in Hell.

I theng yaw ! 🙂

396434 Teebs, replying to Teebs, 11, #313 of 1877 🔗

Looking at the graph of numbers of cases on this site today, the UK is so out-there that it beggars belief the numbers are real. Why should the UK, alone in the whole world, have such fantastic numbers?

(1) the mysterious near-disappearance of flu this winter. It must be that many flu deaths are being classed as covid. (2) the ridiculous approach of counting everyone who dies within 28 days of a positive test is a double whammy, not just adding more deaths that have nothing to do with covid but just coincidental, but also further amplifying the impact of false positives from these tests.

It is incredible that the BBC and so many others are going along with this nonsense.

396456 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Teebs, 2, #314 of 1877 🔗

Portugal has had it bad in this period.

However, it really is stark when you look at the experience of England over Northern Ireland or Scotland. Northern Ireland has the worst health service in Western Europe and still saw zero excess death this winter.

396568 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Teebs, 5, #315 of 1877 🔗

the only thing those numbers show us is that our government are the biggest liars and frauds on the planet

396824 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Teebs, 2, #316 of 1877 🔗

I do not know about other countries, but I believe that Britain has made it VERY easy to access tests.
As we all know, they are pushing them onto us.
In Germany, for example, there are not mail to your house tests. As a private person you have to go to a testing place or the doctor.

396436 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #317 of 1877 🔗

Does anyone know the total number of ‘vaccine’ doses these lunatics have ordered?

396442 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 4, #318 of 1877 🔗

Enough to jab everyone several times over. Whilst the over 70s have been quite keen to be vaccinated and the problem soi far has been a shortage of vaccines, when they start vaccinating the under 50s they might find less enthusiasm. In my wilder thoughts I imagine them roaming the streets like the old press gangs dragging people off to be injected!

396443 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cecil B, 1, #319 of 1877 🔗

More than 300 millions … 400 millions?

396449 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to norwegian, #320 of 1877 🔗

They’ve even bought and sent a load to the Republic of Ireland

396646 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #321 of 1877 🔗

The UK hundredds of millions is to be sent out as aid to other countries. So the strange thing your brain does by immediately and reasonably calculating against UK population misses the scandal. UK tax payers are being put into huge dept for generatiins to come inorder to vaccinate parts of the world where for example 300 people have croaked out of 30 million.

The funny thing your brain does is what happens when the scale of scandal is bigger than it can handle. This is often refered to as being off the charts, but that doesn’t cover it.

396856 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 2, #322 of 1877 🔗

What do you expect when you have an oaf from Imperial College with a bad model in charge of an organisation whose goals are:

Accelerate equitable uptake and coverage of vaccines.

Increase effectiveness and efficiency of immunisation delivery as an integrated part of strengthened health systems.

Improve sustainability of national immunisation programmes.

Shape markets for vaccines and other immunisation products

Largely funded by you know who to the tune of $4.2 billion so far.

No doubt he has been putting a good word in for his boss to get as many doses bought as possible, lining their posckets while reassuring the government that, don’t worry, what you don’t use won’t go to waste. Besides, you aren’t paying for it, just add it to the bill.

396439 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 14, #323 of 1877 🔗
396529 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #325 of 1877 🔗

Starbucks in places link Portland are already familiar with injections..

Druggies shooting up in the toilets.

396629 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #326 of 1877 🔗

Never understand what starbusks is, as a brand experience. A multinational serving a faux local faux authentic coffee experience now in a paper cup. I just don’t get it. Ditto neros. Isn’t coffee about time, flavour, company and enjoyment? Not routine, brand slavery, mediocre coffee that always leave you thinking – is this it? on first sip.

Now with added gene therapy. Great. Consent and cpr as optional very expensive sides I presume.

396775 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Basics, 3, #327 of 1877 🔗

I understand better coffee is available in Essex (Uttlesford district).

396896 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Basics, 1, #328 of 1877 🔗

I’ve had *one* Starpiss coffee in my life, one to many.

396709 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #329 of 1877 🔗

I have had coffee in a coffee shop chain perhaps twice. I just don’t get it. People’s love of coffee shops. Boring pub replacements IMHO.
Friends has a lot to answer for.

396835 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, #330 of 1877 🔗

I once had the misfortune to use a Costa Coffee Machine at a petrol station. Really expensive for a really awful drink that they said was coffee.

396886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Silke David, #331 of 1877 🔗

Tip. In the days when we were allowed to go somewhere involving motorway travel I learnt from experience to use any available ‘cheap’ coffee machine, usually located in the foyer, rather than any Costa Coffee option. Cost about a third of the price and relatively palatable.

396929 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #332 of 1877 🔗

A sickening read. Apparently, there will be a vaccine center at the Microsoft campus, too.

396444 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #333 of 1877 🔗

So let’s go back to an updated version of the scenario. You are walking across a bridge, when a bystander shouts from below that he can see someone tied to the tracks, and thinks he can see more. You see a runaway carriage approaching, which you think might be stopped by a large object. You see a fat man next to the edge of the bridge. You have a friend next to you who says that if you push him, it might stop the carriage. However, you have no evidence to support this. Do you push the fat man off the bridge ? “

I have a lot of problems with “trolley problems” in general, one of them being the fact that it is the murder of an inherently unsympathetic “fat man” that is usually proposed to stop the train (and no, I’m not personally overweight – this isn’t a personal sensitivity issue). It’s particularly inappropriate in this case. Closer would be:

You are told by someone notoriously unreliable that there are some mostly very elderly and terminally ill hospital patients on the train track up ahead, and they are going to die if the train isn’t stopped. Fortunately, there’s a button you can push that the aforementioned unreliable character and his posh, authoritative mates claim would drop a classroom full of children on the track, and “possibly” slow down the train enough so that fewer of the first group would probably die.

396462 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mark, 7, #334 of 1877 🔗

I’ll take it a step further. You think there’s a train coming but you’re not sure. You don’t know how fast it’s going, how big it is, whether it would stop anyway before getting to the people, how likely it would be to kill them or even if it’s on the same track as these people. Also there are other normal trains on other tracks you can’t stop that are just as likely to kill these people. In fact many or these people would likely die before any train got to them. How many of your kids will you throw in front of the train?

396482 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark, 13, #335 of 1877 🔗

If the unsympathetic fat man had blonde hair, I know which lever most people would pull.

396446 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 12, #336 of 1877 🔗

This was posted on the comments from the latest UK Column News.

12 hours ago
Officially its the flu. “I have a PhD in virology and immunology. I’m a clinical lab scientist and have tested 1500 “supposed” positive Covid 19 samples collected here in S. California. When my lab team and I did the testing through Koch’s postulates and observation under a SEM (scanning electron microscope), we found NO Covid in any of the 1500 samples. What we found was that all of the 1500 samples were mostly Influenza A and some were influenza B, but not a single case of Covid, and we did not use the B.S. PCR test. We then sent the remainder of the samples to Stanford, Cornell, and a few of the University of California labs and they found the same results as we did, NO COVID. They found influenza A and B. All of us then spoke to the CDC and asked for viable samples of COVID, which CDC said they could not provide as they did not have any samples. “We have now come to the firm conclusion through all our research and lab work, that the COVID 19 was imaginary and fictitious. The flu was called Covid and most of the 225,000 dead were dead through co-morbidities such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, emphysema etc. and they then got the flu which further weakened their immune system and they died. I have yet to find a single viable sample of Covid 19 to work with. “We at the 7 universities that did the lab tests on these 1500 samples are now suing the CDC for Covid 19 fraud. the CDC has yet to send us a single viable, isolated and purifed sample of Covid 19. If they can’t or won’t send us a viable sample, I say there is no Covid 19, it is fictitious. The four research papers that do describe the genomic extracts of the Covid 19 virus never were successful in isolating and purifying the samples. All the four papers written on Covid 19 only describe small bits of RNA which were only 37 to 40 base pairs long which is NOT A VIRUS. A viral genome is typically 30,000 to 40,000 base pairs. With as bad as Covid is supposed to be all over the place, how come no one in any lab world wide has ever isolated and purified this virus in its entirety? That’s because they’ve never really found the virus, all they’ve ever found was small pieces of RNA which were never identified as the virus anyway. “So what we’re dealing with is just another flu strain like every year, COVID 19 does not exist and is fictitious. I believe China and the globalists orchestrated this COVID hoax (the flu disguised as a novel virus) to bring in global tyranny and a worldwide police totalitarian surveillance state, and this plot included massive election fraud.”

They posted a few links, but this seem the most relevant


396465 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 2, #337 of 1877 🔗

I’ve seen this. It used to have a name with MD attached to it as the author. He was a University professor in the US and came out to sy it was not his work.

Will check the links, although I believe this is fake.

Update. Checked the video. This is different. So I was wrong. Although why does this guy not show his face?

396535 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #338 of 1877 🔗

You believe it is fake? Oh well in that case we should believe you instead!

396570 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bella Donna, #339 of 1877 🔗

As I said, Bella, I was wrong. There was a similar claim doing the rounds earlier this year. You believe the man with no face though.

396562 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, 1, #340 of 1877 🔗

yes, this is exactly what I think has happened. with the addition of the biggest and most audacious genocide the world has ever seen (that part has barely got started yet, but we will begin to really see it in 2021)

396632 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Andrew K, 5, #341 of 1877 🔗

Presumably, this is the 1500 tests that Delores Cahill was referring to. She did indicate thar the work took place in the US and the CDC had been notified.

396871 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #342 of 1877 🔗


Her discussion with Dr Reiner Fuelmich discussing the vaccine dangers, falsifying death certificates and the 1500 tests showing absence of covid and presence of influenza A+B

396720 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Andrew K, 2, #343 of 1877 🔗

Amazing information – maybe TOBY & team can look into this

397049 ▶▶ J-Knight, replying to Andrew K, #344 of 1877 🔗

This is the exact same text that was previously attributed to Dr. Rob Oswald and which he absolutely denied authoring. Multiple fact-checking sites (of course with caveats for their objectivity) have debunked this particular message and its attribution. I would love to know if Dolores Cahill has a different documented source for these claims….

396450 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 26, #345 of 1877 🔗

I saw a bit of yesterdays briefing by the Muppets responsible for this shit show.

Twatty claimed the covid Non Pharmaceutical Interventions is the reason influenza has not appeared this winter. This claim alone, from our CMO, demonstrates the lies and propaganda we are constantly being assaulted with.

While hand washing may have reduced flu a bit this year, it hasn’t been the cause of reduced deaths from the other usual suspects at ‘end of life’, – heart disease, pneumonia, dementia, etc.

What is surely obvious to even the most gormless scientist, with mass testing and searching for any hint of anything that could be called covid, nothing else gets a look in.

What we more likely have is an epidemic, even pandemic, of misdiagnosis.

Whitty, like all those other agenda driven government ‘scientists’, are cherry picking bits of data, and mystical modelling, to spin into proof that they are right about all of this bullshit – this is not science – this is big egos covering their incompetent arses

and killing people in the process!

396488 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Major Panic, 7, #346 of 1877 🔗

If all those NPIs have eliminated flu and colds, why hasn’t it eliminated CV19 at the same time? Why are we still seeing high hospital bed occupancy?

396526 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to LMS2, 5, #347 of 1877 🔗

They’ve reduced the numbers of hospital beds and thereby caused the problem!! This has all been stage managed to produce maximum effect!

396489 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #348 of 1877 🔗

This is classic 101 from the idiots guide to conspiracy theory. Using pseudo science, woven with a various unconnected yarns, to fabricate a scenario.

396454 isobar, 2, #349 of 1877 🔗

Snowdon doubles down. Clearly the ripostes to his Quillette article got under his skin.

396455 LMS2, replying to LMS2, #350 of 1877 🔗

Just found this on a Twitter thread: see attached image.
I’m not commenting, but you can read it for yourselves and draw your own conclusions.


396463 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to LMS2, #351 of 1877 🔗

I saw this a few days ago. Did some searching and nothing came up – not even a blog post about this letter. The thing which I find concerning is that the letterhead fades out – the address at the top right hand side. I think it’s fake – although the font looks right. Could it be a 77th Brigade bit of disinformation?

396485 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to this is my username, 4, #352 of 1877 🔗

A fact checking website claims that its fake. It says it couldn’t find the FOI number, but I did, but it was related to property and business rates, or some such.
The FOI number appeared to have been typed separately to the rest of the text, as ig it had been superimposed.

If it is fake, it still describes pretty much what’s been done to the country.
If it’s been a mistake to impose lockdown for this long, then those responsible should be relegated to picking up litter for the rest of their working lives, as they’re too incompetent to be allowed to do anything else.
If it’s not incompetence but deliberate, then they should be prosecuted, and incarcerated in the same conditions as Assange, i.e. solitary confinement in Belmarsh, also for the rest of their lives.

396490 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to LMS2, 1, #353 of 1877 🔗

I looked for the FOI number too, but didn’t find it. I agree it sums up what’s been done to the country.

396509 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to LMS2, 1, #354 of 1877 🔗

oh, I hope I live to see justice done! – either way, although I find it hard to believe it’s just stupidity; I do them the credit of believing that they are not less intelligent than I am

396648 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 318 of lockdown), replying to LMS2, #355 of 1877 🔗

The language in it is all wrong too. Poorly written fake imo.

396457 The Covid Kid, 17, #356 of 1877 🔗

Morning all!

396461 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #357 of 1877 🔗

Although it pains me to say it I suspect the EU will have the last laugh in the ‘vaccine’ story

I can see pallets of out of date monkey gunk sitting in warehouses

396483 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 4, #358 of 1877 🔗

Doesn’t matter, fortunately. The damage (to the eminently deserving target) is done and the story has moved on.

By the time any questions are being asked in the mainstream media about the vaccine waste, the wider underlying economic and political crises in the EU will most likely be manifesting and they’ll be moving to the superstate end game choice of dissolution or authoritarian repression.

396467 ScepitcAl, 1, #359 of 1877 🔗

We need to tightened our game up when the main headline of the website and the data posed as counter argument were completely of track to what Whitty said.

He said, “cases, hospitalisation and DEATHS” had now fallen.

Deaths are the last to fall in that sequence and were the marker, not cases…

To then post graph after graph looking solely at case numbers in an attempt to make him look out of touch, makes us all look a little bit stupid, not Whitty.

It won’t be long before that awful, “fits the narrative” line comes out…

disappointed 😢

396481 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Colinou, 7, #361 of 1877 🔗

I gave up halfway. Basically they say the main driver is masks and beating people for not wearing them. Jesus christ.

396500 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #362 of 1877 🔗

I suspect the reason is immunity. A government study in New Delhi found that more than half the population has antibodies.

396484 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Colinou, 3, #363 of 1877 🔗

I await with interest NPR’s visit to Tanzania.

I suspect that the sheer crowdedness of India, especially its cities, and the relatively early abandonment of lockdown, played a role, ensuring that herd immunity was reached relatively quickly.

It can’t be masks.

How do we know that?

Because a number of antibody studies in India show that a very large perventage of Indians have them.

Antibodies that is.

Which means of course that masks stop nothing..

Although I certainly don’t rule out climate playing a role, I expect that the very impossibility of anti-social distancing in India was an extremely important factor.

How deliciously ironic.

Of course NPR don’t go into that.

396495 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Colinou, 3, #364 of 1877 🔗

As you would expect in the country famous for packed trains

396475 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #365 of 1877 🔗
396491 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to nickbowes, 1, #366 of 1877 🔗

Haha …

396503 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nickbowes, 6, #367 of 1877 🔗

That was always the aim. Depopulation, one way or another.

396506 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 2, #368 of 1877 🔗

‘covid’ will certainly affect the birth rate due to the economic uncertainty and the general social unpleasantness prevailing as a result of the response.

The article linked to here, links in turn to another article predicting 13% fewer births in the US in 2021, compared to this year.

Covid – minimal impact on the death rate, big impact on the birth rate.

396546 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 7, #369 of 1877 🔗

I couldn’t give a monkeys what scientists say now an industry forever tainted. I am not living in fear again because someone in authority told me I should.

396912 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JHUNTZ, #370 of 1877 🔗

science is a very fine thing, but the point is, which we forget at our peril, that scientists are human beings, and therefore flawed and fallible. just because someone’s a scientist does not mean he should be regarded with awe and deep, unquestioning respect. at the end of the day, he’s just a human being, and therefore just as capable of being a complete asshole as the next guy

396593 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 3, #371 of 1877 🔗

Science became corrupted over global warming “predictions” since 1975
why on earth would anyone believe a word they say now

396479 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 28, #372 of 1877 🔗

So we now find out uncle Tom shuffled round his back garden to raise cash for what amounts to a 33 million quid tuck shop, plus a few thousand I pads thrown in for good measure… The poor fucker would be turning in his grave I would imagine he believed the cash was going to the so called front line, not to refresh the tiktok legends.. complete waste of time and effort ..

396492 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #373 of 1877 🔗

Not so much a back garden Bruce, more like a small county.

396486 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #374 of 1877 🔗


Makes a good point about the lack of oversight and review within the Scottish realm. Nothing more than police state with open corruption at the Crown Office and Government.

One sad element of this collapse of tge snp is that it is being widely uses/sighted to reinforce the vaccine is good thinking.

Throughout the scamdemic the devolved administrations and UK government have bounced off each other to raise fear.

Now we have most people in Scotland sour at krankie for her poor vaccine performance – England are at 10 million doses the cry, Scotland at not even a quarter (or whatever the number is).

How convenient this is for the vaccine roll out. To garner yet more clamour for non consentual participation in a medical trial.

However this will not stop or change the collapse of the snp government now noosed and snared by calculated deeds taken over the years.

Support for the snp in he media is complete, edinburghlive had no mention of the various snp scandals breaking yesterda, but did cover a line about Labour favouring one gender over another in selection. A story of pitiful insignificance compared to the hair-on-fire gender, BAME manipulatiin wars at the snp.

It feels that sturgeon is required to play her roll in the globalists vaccination plan. She is their weakest link and is sunk. Only question is when she will go under.

396501 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Basics, 9, #375 of 1877 🔗

I cannot wait for the day to see her go under.
The same propaganda rag you mention today has a story saying that this lockdown will continue “at least until March” which, knowing the little dictator, means that it will continue until well beyond March.

I am truly sick of the SNP & El Presidente.
The sooner more people here wake up to her shit, the better. Although, that also seems unlikely.

396565 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 5, #376 of 1877 🔗

If they think Scotland is a dictatorship, look to Northern Ireland. During Covid, all decisions have been made behind closed doors. Stormont get zero say, and so the people are locked out.

They could literally do anything right now.

To be fair though, having been closed for 2 years and then Covid hitting a month into their return, we haven’t had local democracy functioning in any way for quite some time.

I actually don’t know why we have them at all. They are utterly pathetic

396608 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #377 of 1877 🔗

Point taken re NI. Absolutely a closed off cabal.

397391 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #378 of 1877 🔗

What about that twat doctor that Ivor C is always talking about? Looks like a Dr Hilary, zero covid moron.

397383 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basics, 1, #379 of 1877 🔗

What i don’t understand is the numbers of cases and hospitalisation in Scotland is tiny. Why are you even locked down?

396493 AidanR, replying to AidanR, #380 of 1877 🔗

Sherelle Jacobs is good in the Telegraph today.


I take issue with a core strand of her conclusion but worth a look nevertheless.

396514 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AidanR, 8, #381 of 1877 🔗

I am not a DT subscriber so could not get down to her conclusion but the headline is enough. Protecting the NHS seems to be the main plank of the official argument for all this nonsense. Witless Witty was on the news saying that we could not relax too quickly as the NHS would be in trouble again, as if the NHS was some old pet dog or horse that was only just keeping going. Well I am afraid that in the end old dogs and horses have to be put out of their misery and if it cannot sort itself out the same might be true for the NHS.

We cannot allow the tail to wag the dog as is currently happening with lockdowns being enacted to protect the NHS. But the NHS has an almost religious status with many people and so it is going to be a tough political challenge to tackle.

396520 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to AidanR, #382 of 1877 🔗

This will be paywalled for many and Toby doesn’t like whole articles being pasted but the conclusion is
“The bottom line is that the NHS has broken under the weight of our expectations. Thus, further winter lockdowns remain a serious possibility. In this scenario, the choice is simple and devastating: either society accepts the lower life expectancy of a world with endemic coronavirus, or we suffer limitless ruin to our quality of life, in the pursuit of Zero Covid.”
I assume that you are challenging the “s ociety accepts the lower life expectancy” bit. I’m not sure that the lower life expectancy part follows given that the vaccines are supposed to prevent the elderly deaths.

396544 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to arfurmo, 7, #383 of 1877 🔗

I take issue with “NHS has broken under the weight of our expectations”

I think the NHS has broken under the weight of bureaucracy and ideology, the fallacies of socialism and the tyranny of public health.

Are our expectations really any different from dozens of other first world countries whose healthcare systems give better outcomes?

396599 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AidanR, 2, #384 of 1877 🔗

I do not think the NHS in its current format can answer the health needs of the UK, I do not know the answer but can give some pointers. For a start it is too big, too inflexible and too slow to respond to sudden changes in demand. The funding model might now benefit from radical reform.
We need to reconsider the way we live with advanced old age, social care and health care.
I do not have all the answers but we cannot continue as at present.

396702 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #385 of 1877 🔗

Likewise I don’t have answers, but there are people out there who do… there are all those European countries that have better outcomes than we do here.

I don’t mind paying more if we actually get something that is meaningfully better, but I object to pouring endless money into the current death-cult.

I suspect that, like with coronapanic, as much of the problem lies with the public and with the media who manipulate their emotions for profit.

396827 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, 1, #386 of 1877 🔗

Two points: Many coronaviruses are already endemic; Covid-19 kills at or above the average life expectancy – its victims are mainly dying of old age.

396536 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to AidanR, #387 of 1877 🔗

Full text is in here: https://pastebin.com/ukeNS6kJ

396554 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to AidanR, #388 of 1877 🔗

It does seem the NHS is now in an accelerating decline, population increased while hospital space went down, now hospitals are operating a reduced service with a backlog building. The country’s outlook is very grim.

396499 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 8, #389 of 1877 🔗

Elsewhere on the net some are pretty certain about Scam-19 just being part of cover up, here’s an example:

“The available energy supply from wind and solar (net or otherwise) is tiny relative to the total energy required to operate the world economy. This issue, alone, would disqualify a Great Reset using wind and solar from truly being a solution for today’s problems. Instead, plans for a Great Reset tend to act as a temporary cover-up for collapse.

396515 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to norwegian, 2, #390 of 1877 🔗

Which would explain oil shares being in the toilet.

396545 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to norwegian, 6, #391 of 1877 🔗

I’ve been telling people for ages that wind and solar cannot sustain a power grid. Eventually, the government will make it law that everyone must have a solar panel on their roof. They will subsidize some of the cost (and by “they” i mean “we”), and we will pay the rest, and a lot of people will get very rich on taxpayer money installing, maintaining, repairing, replacing, and disposing of these panels.

And eventually they will say that the country is using up too much energy, and no, it’s too late to go back to fossil fuels, and there’s no option, stop talking about nuclear, and as such they’ll impose power caps on every household, and people will freeze in winter, and we’ll be back in the middle ages, where everyone was a good, obedient peasant working as a serf for the royalty.

The oil industry isn’t dying because of the climate. It’s dying because they found a better scam

396617 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #392 of 1877 🔗

It’s a great tale but lacks any structure and rigour particularly towards the end where it breaks up in to a standard hell in a handcart story.

396989 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #393 of 1877 🔗

One can make solar panels, of state-of-the-art efficiency, by buying a load of individual cells from China, and connecting them up between two sheets of polyacrylate stuff.
The pinch-point/blocker is that they need to be certified if connected to the national grid.

396502 TJN, replying to TJN, 25, #394 of 1877 🔗

Fascinating and powerful essay by Ben Hawkins, The Government is Gambling With People’s Lives , as published with today’s post. It goes through the ‘logic’ of the government’s decisions, and points out:

The Government has chosen to gamble those 105,000 thousand lives [ collateral lockdown deaths ], in the hope that that doing so will prevent an unknown number of deaths. It is gambling on predicted Covid deaths being accurate. It is gambling on the as yet unverified assertion that lockdowns work. It is gambling that the number of lives saved by its actions will be more than those killed.

Well this might be what the government would like us to think they are doing. In fact, I honestly don’t think they give a stuff about any of this. This is just politics – base, cowardly politics. If someone dies of covid then politicians get a hammering – the more so if they’ve over-ruled monomaniacal, covid-obsessed, ego-driven scientists who are supposed to be advising them, and if they’ve failed to follow the ‘example’ of almost every other Western country. In contrast, if someone dies of cancer owing to cancelled treatment, or heart attack or stroke; or loneliness or neglect, or suicide, or whatever … the government isn’t held politically responsible. Same for all the MPs who vote for this shit.  And no one’s being held responsible for the economic devastation, largely because it’s not fully apparent yet. And the Great British Public – credulous, compliant, lazy-minded and complacent as they are – doesn’t appear to have the brains or gumption, or courage, to grasp this.

We talked a lot on here about why the Lockdown Sceptic case hasn’t yet prevailed. After all, the scientific arguments were won months ago. (Back in about May I suggested here that we rename the site ‘We were right’.) The answers aren’t hard to find. We are a post-rational, post-Enlightenment society. And as such, unless we – or at least a sufficient proportion of us – can break out of this we are in deep trouble.

396508 ▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, 4, #395 of 1877 🔗

Yes indeed – pure politics

Somewhat post-rational probably, but the other reason we’ve not prevailed is we’ve been outspent by some huge ratio – thousands or millions to one

396516 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 8, #396 of 1877 🔗

It’s not money as such it is control.

The group of sceptical scientists in Germany around Dr. Bhakdi, wanted to take out a full-page ad in the FAZ – the leading German newspaper. They had the money to pay for it.

The paper refused.

396532 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to rockoman, 5, #397 of 1877 🔗

They’re going to need to grassroots it. I’m afraid to say that they’re going to need to talk to ER about how they do the little things. You don’t need a full page ad. You need people with nothing to lose sticking notes to various public spaces, (bus stops, buttons on pedestrian crossings, internet junction boxes). You need old women on board because they are powerful, have launched children and nothing left to lose.

You need all the grannies and granddads to stand up and say “fuck this”. You need to tell Piers Corbyn to take a back seat.

396559 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to TheHandbag, #398 of 1877 🔗

I see the value in all of that, but the two do not exclude each other.

396518 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 1, #399 of 1877 🔗

Addendum to my own post (too late to edit): Nothing much original in this post I know. But I’m in a really shit mood with all this today.

396519 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to TJN, 10, #400 of 1877 🔗

You are so right. Let’s not also forget the complicity of the MSM which has driven public opinion so aggressively to support the Government. No forgiveness, ever for these fuckers.

396550 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to vargas99, 6, #401 of 1877 🔗

Oh yes, the MSM …. was going to include them in my post, but it was already getting a bit long …

One good point to note is that the MSM is dying on its feet.

396525 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 12, #402 of 1877 🔗

And the Great British Public – credulous, compliant, lazy-minded and complacent as they are – doesn’t appear to have the brains or gumption, or courage, to grasp this.

Oh yes. The trouble is, the dystopia they are complicit in creating drags us all down with them. They can have the hell they’re subscribing to, but I don’t want it.

396547 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 12, #403 of 1877 🔗

Yes, quite. We’re getting dragged down into the same shit as them, whether we like it or not. But we’re not getting dragged down as far, and we’re all the time scrabbling out. Doubtless some of the shit will remain, but we’ll be climbing free of it while the others are drowning.

My little girl is at school five days a week … boy’s in nursery as normal. No way are any of us having jabs … Still got a brain.

396885 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 1, #404 of 1877 🔗

agree, but I think the only thing we can do is leave the country (while we still can) – of course this is global in its reach, but I think there are some places in the third world that still have a bit more time

396507 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 36, #405 of 1877 🔗

In a minute I’m going to go off to do some proper adulting. This will include but not be limited to taking a walk past an empty testing centre, playing with my child who has no access to the company of other children, paying my bills and cancelling my National Trust subscription. Even after they closed the adventure playground on week days, we used to meet up with other children there, but now can’t, because of the vile old gits that have made our local site their home, and walk their dogs there with impunity, whilst meeting up with ONE member of another household, (because unlike children they don’t need another adult to bring them), have made it their business to be unpleasant and abusive to us and our children.

But in the mean time, I leave you with this thought, that has been rolling round in my head like a lonely marble. When confronted over refusing to vaccinate my child after the disaster that was her 16 week vaccines, by pro-vaccine parents, I have always been careful to paise them for their sacrifice. And to say, “I couldn’t do it”. I just couldn’t watch my daughter suffer reactions to things that I had the power to stop her experiencing in the name of protecting a practice which I find dubious. Moreover as a graduate in Law, it would be a betrayal of my education and the sacrifices made to get it if I didn’t use it well, and operate my finely-tuned and well-informed judgement, which tells me that the game is rigged. The presence of indemnification for multi-billion dollar companies who also gave us mesh and the opioid crisis is the top of a very corrupt iceberg.

It takes a special kind of psychological type to willingly inflict pain on your own people, (children, healthcare workers, grannies). All for the sake of conformity, which is really what’s being demanded in these confrontations, (because the vaccine confident are not insecure enough to yield to being manipulative or bullying). I respect others who make those choices because they’re sacrificing to keep the sleeping dragons of the pharmaceutical companies and all the other psychologically disordered sociopaths in our midst, quiet. It’s quite heroic when you look at how much damage vaccination can do, and the absence of research into how to identify those for whom it is damaging. And when you consider the amount of gaslighting and psychological abuse they’ll experience when they start raising the alarm about their child’s health, all you can do it hope they’re the lucky few. But it’s Russian roulette, as pathogenic priming is starting to show.

The same applies to lockdown, and masks.

It’s like going for a cuppa with your nice new neighbour only to discover that their partner is a domestic abuser and you’re being recruited into the social support group that enables the cycle of abuse to continue. Sorry. I don’t do that. I’m just not made that way. But if others want to, (turning a blind eye to the suffering that causes the neighbour, themselves and often their children), I can’t stop them. But honestly, “I couldn’t do that”.

396542 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TheHandbag, 5, #406 of 1877 🔗

I would gather up all the Mums and dads and confront the vile old gits. Or I would tell the police they were pedo’s leering at the children.
Safe vaccinations are fine, but I need to have proof that its safe. Don’t see this as being safe.

396552 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheHandbag, 10, #407 of 1877 🔗

I think that’s a great post. Philosophical objections are quite high on my list, as well as the health worries.

These companies should be held to account for deaths their products cause. Vernon Coleman latest video is a must watch on that front.

396869 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #408 of 1877 🔗

of course they have secured civil indemnity, but that doesn’t mean to say they are exempt from criminal charges, involving punitive damages, and when the time comes yes definitely that path should be taken. let’s bankrupt the bastards.

396510 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #409 of 1877 🔗

Plot twist to the trolley problem:

Imagine you are walking across a bridge over a rail line. Suddenly you hear screams coming from under the bridge. You look down and see that four people are tied to the tracks. What’s worse, you look up and see what looks like a runaway train carriage hurtling towards them. The carriage doesn’t look that big – if you could push a large object over the bridge in front of the carriage, you figure that it would be enough to stop the carriage and save the four people tied to the line. Looking around for such an object, you suddenly see someone running towards you, grabbing you, and throwing you over the side onto the rails below, using you as a meaty roadblock to save the other 4 people.

How do you feel about this outcome?

396523 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #410 of 1877 🔗

I wonder what the answer would be if the fat object you chucked down was the fat pig dictator? Would the answer be different?

396530 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #411 of 1877 🔗

I’d prefer to see him sitting in jail for a very, very long time.

396537 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #412 of 1877 🔗

Easy “It’s not about protecting yourself, it’s about protecting others” so you have to accept your fate.

396556 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #413 of 1877 🔗

How is a fatty going to stop a runaway train? Probably quite a good analogy as the governments of the world have been sacrificing their populations in equally ineffective ways. However, if the Pig Dictator was available I think it would be worth the experiment.

396569 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to TheBluePill, #414 of 1877 🔗

It’s the thought experiment that matters. Like i said, this has a plot twist, so read it through.

396814 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #415 of 1877 🔗

Abused. Should have been my choice to make not someone else’s.

396511 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #416 of 1877 🔗

11am today BBC R4 From Our Own Correspondent.

‘Why are Swedish people losing faith with their authorities?’.

I can hardly wait.

396517 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to karenovirus, #417 of 1877 🔗
396620 ▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 13, #418 of 1877 🔗

The deliberate misrepresentation of Sweden in the media has been plain evil

396673 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #419 of 1877 🔗

It was just s load of nonsense about some in authority breaking non-binding covid advice.

396512 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #420 of 1877 🔗

So the award for stating the bleeding obvious goes to the Institute for Government and Bronwen Maddox. Er! it might take a little while for the economy to recover. Also it might take us a while for the nhs to catch up on missed appointments. Wow no shit Sherlock! I am so glad we have this twat telling the government things we have been saying since March.
Who knew shutting down a country for a year would have consequences. Wonder what his pay packet has been like since March? I bet you really understand what life is like for us eh?

396957 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Spikedee1, #421 of 1877 🔗

Maddox is another PPE graduate.

396521 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #422 of 1877 🔗

Have all the scientists got it wrong over lockdown the sceptics said covid would burn itself out. The supporters said the same thing but we could avoid the infections and deaths if we only lockdown harder and for longer. The reality is millions infected and over 100,000 deaths and people must now ask themselves how did the scientists get it so wrong. My belief is their looked at the historical record of corona viruses saw after a few months they died out and then took up their respective positions.
I believe sceptical scientists underestimated the consequences of lockdown on covid, while supporters overestimated consequences of not locking down. To try and explain what I mean imagine a virus like covid it either burns out or mutates. So the question now is how does a virus burn out or mutate? Now I am no expert but in the past when sars and mers appeared they were no worldwide lockdown and these viruses died out with minimal interventions. So by locking down are we not only prolonging the pandemic but encouraging the virus to mutate?
I believe sceptical scientists should not make predictions about when this pandemic will end but point out when you lockdown you not only prolong the pandemic but also encourage the virus to mutate. I now believe because of lockdown the human race will be in a race to develop vaccines to keep ahead of covid for ever. My personal view is governments around the world should look at countries that didn’t lockdown and accept that their did no worse than countries that did.

396689 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Derek Toyne, 9, #423 of 1877 🔗

A couple if things. Viruses don’t burn out. The human body develops immunity and it no longer has the same impact. Viruses mutate to try and get a hold on you but the immune system is so smart it just deals with the mutation and its no problem.
Sceptical scientists never said it would burn out. What happens is this virus has a particular trait. It attacks old and vulnerable people. If (like Sweden), we had not locked down, the virus would be passed around the fit and healthy and our immune system would recognise the sars bit and dealt with it and enough people would have caught the bug and we would have achieved herd immunity. a few people would have got sick but by now we would have kicked its ass and life would have gone on.
But the idiocy of lockdowns is this stopped this and we now get the seasonal reoccurrence that we had this winter. Every year we have dealt with the flu virus, thousands die and we deal with this every year. The WHO has guidelines how to deal with this. So the question you have to ask is why did they abandon decades of research and data and do something that was being done in communist CHINA?
Lockdowns have been scientifically proven to not work and do nothing to stop the spread of a virus. There are 30 scientific papers proving this there are countries that did not lockdown proving it is not necessary. But STILL they are being used. WHY? Well that’s the question isn’t it?

396522 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #424 of 1877 🔗

If the money “raised” by Captain Tom went on snacks, shouldn’t the owner of a local coffee shop providing free refreshments to NHS staff also receive a knighthood?

396548 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #425 of 1877 🔗

I wonder if he would have been so keen to give them the money had he known it would be pissed up the wall on Kit-kats and sandwiches, probably contracted to WHSmith at the standard extortionate hospital pricing.

396574 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ewan Duffy, 23, #426 of 1877 🔗

What still puzzles me is why they needed to be given anything ‘free’. It may come as a surprise to those working in the NHS, but there are plenty of other people doing jobs that are stressful (you know, people actually risking their lives – lifeboat men*, fishermen, oil rig workers to name but a few). And real heroes don’t ‘need’ to be recognised and applauded.

*And these guys are volunteers.

396625 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 3, #427 of 1877 🔗

The hero status is mostly in the eyes of the MSM. A frontline doc told me back in July that the public’s view of him was already tarnishing. Not that he’d needed to be a hero, he just loves his job which is why you should go into medicine in the first place, not to be a “hero”.

396838 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 4, #428 of 1877 🔗

“What still puzzles me is why they needed to be given anything ‘free’.”

I agree – in fact, it should be illegal and policed by a licensed private company that gets paid on conviction.

Many years ago, I worked in a golf club and we had a reduced greenfee rate for police, solely because we were told that if we didn’t, our bar would be raided.

396524 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #429 of 1877 🔗

So now we have:
Minutes silence
State Funeral

396549 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #430 of 1877 🔗

Iirc, didn’t poor old Princess Diana have a tub of margarine with her signature on it. At least that hasn’t happened yet. Though, I’ll bet anything that they’ll come out with a gong with his name on.

396572 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #431 of 1877 🔗


396607 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #432 of 1877 🔗

Special edition 50p

396698 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to EssieSW, 9, #433 of 1877 🔗

Cptn Tom Moore Statue to be placed at Cenotaph. Post modern in the form of a white chess pawn piece . BLM mob to later make outraged feelings known.

396772 ▶▶ isobar, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #434 of 1877 🔗

You forgot picture on £20 note (only kidding, but nothing would surprise me)

396917 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to isobar, 2, #435 of 1877 🔗

I’d settle for that – at least it would mean cash is still going ! 🙂

396528 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #436 of 1877 🔗

The British Society for Immunologists briefing document is quite interesting provided that you realise it is written from a “vaccine good, natural infection bad” perspective and you read between the lines and spot the huge contradictions and omissions and unsupported assertions.

What seems to me to be apparent is that those with

a) very weak immune systems, who
b) encounter a high viral load of SARS-C0V-2, and
c) have never previously encountered the virus and/or or have less protection from exposure from previous coronaviruses,

are likely to be those who have been badly affected by the virus. Pretty much everyone where a), b) and c) don’t all apply will have no issues at all apart from in some cases feeling a bit rough for a bit.

Targeting a public health response to SARS-C0V-2 would involve tackling these 3 areas

In relation to a) we could have improved the metabolic health of the population through good nutrition, eating real foods and cutting out the sugars and reducing the starches. The cardiologist Aseem Malhotra has had a lot to say about this. Vitamin D supplementation at reasonable doses (2000 IU over the autumn/winter) should have been recommended, and encouraging people to get out in the sun (without burning) is a no-brainer also.

In relation to b) and c) the British Society of Immunologists document suggests to me that encountering a high viral load on first encounter with the virus makes it more difficult for the immune system to react and requires a greater response. I think that is what the real experts have been saying, but it’s nice to hear that confirmed.

It seems to me better for an individual to first encounter a small viral load. The body then has a response, perhaps a T cell response with no measurable antibodies, and then when a higher viral load comes along later, the body is much better prepared to deal with that high viral load. The person may have some mild symptoms and they might still test positive under PCR second time round, and they potentially may be infectious but possibly less so than someone who first encounters a high viral load.

If we avoid the interventions that cause high viral load encounters, it not only protects the person encountering a high viral load, but those people they pass infection onto also experience a lower viral load. There was a lot of talk about covid being less deadly after April despite the viral genomics not having changed, but surely it is these low viral load encounters that have provided the extra protection.

If you then consider the interventions that have been made such as lockdowns, it seems likely that what those interventions do is to increase the possibility that a vulnerable person first encounters the virus at a high viral load, because it is encountered in hospitals and care homes where viral loads are likely to be higher.

The document states the “amount of virus you are exposed to during a natural infection, however, is not controlled and may be too little to induce an optimal immune response”. They claim a vaccine gives you something like that optimal immune response. This is despite at the beginning of the document saying ‘Immune responses can vary hugely between different individuals’. So how can there be a single dose of vaccine that is optimal? But this is all just silly. I think they can make the point that a vaccine might protect against a high viral load but in this nonsense about low viral loads they are essentially rubbishing the immune system’s ability to make good decisions on what resources it allocates to detect viruses so that it can tackle further encounters with those viruses.

Natural infection is always going to provide a much more wide ranging level of protection than a vaccine, because the body’s immune system is part of a very complex adaptive system, honed to near perfection by evolution, in the process of protecting the body against these sort of viruses amongst other things. It would only be if SARS-CoV-2 was massively more deadly that you might ever prefer a vaccine.

Their complacency in the document in ignoring potential harms of the vaccines is staggering. Here they go for the assertion without evidence or discussion approach in saying “Vaccine-mediated immunity is preferable and safer than naturally acquired immunity” and “The obvious advantage of a vaccine is that any side effects (e.g. fever, headache, muscle aches, arm pain), if present at all, are relatively mild and short-lived (usually resolved within 72 hours). With very rare exceptions, these are insignificant in comparison to the much more serious consequences for individuals of any age who develop COVID-19 disease following natural infection”. So the short term affects are glossed over and the possibility of long term issues is not addressed anywhere in the document.

396585 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #437 of 1877 🔗

BAME and elderly folk in care homes were hit hardest. Why? Its so simple really because they have the lowest levels of Vitamin D! Why didn’t the government and NHS speak up? Now that is the real Crime Against Humanity!

396770 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #438 of 1877 🔗

They wanted them gone
That’s why
No other reason for the same play book all over the world

397175 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, #439 of 1877 🔗

And that strategy wasn’t quite effective enough, so the ”vaccine” should finish them off.

396639 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #440 of 1877 🔗

Good post. Low viral load, like the one we could have passed round in summer? You know, when they mandated masks. I saw Delores Cahil saying vitamin D and zinc for old folk back in April in her chat with computing forever. Why have the cheap and effective means to help the ill been ignored and only expensive and destructive measures been used to destroy the country and condemn thousands to death and misery?

397169 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #441 of 1877 🔗

”Cheap and effective”? Big Pharma doesn’t like those words.

396694 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #442 of 1877 🔗

I saw the document you refer to and felt it was a bit pro-vaccine and anti-natural immunity. As for the AZ vaccine it does have side effects. I work for the nhs and all my colleagues who had the vaccine said it was like been hit by a bus. One colleague who had covid last year said the vaccine was ten times worse, and another had side effects for more than a week. I believe I got covid last February a cough for a couple of weeks unlike my wife who recently got covid which was more like flu. Neither me or my kids got infected which I believe was because we all got colds in September. Again good post.

396731 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Derek Toyne, #443 of 1877 🔗

Thanks. So interesting to hear your direct experience of covid vaccination.

396531 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 10, #444 of 1877 🔗

“Why Hand Sanitisers Do More Harm Than Good”
Should be generalised to ‘why indiscriminate use of X does more harm than good’

We know that indiscriminate use of antibiotics has led to significant harm – the rise of bacteria resistant to multiple antibiotics, to the extent that there is now only one antibiotic used as a last resort.

Will the same happen with indiscriminate use of antiviral drugs – aka ‘vaccines’? Will there different but equivalent consequences eg the ADE outcome?

396882 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #445 of 1877 🔗


There are two antibiotics left. One is ancient, and not used in hospitals any more, but it’s very cheap, very effective and excellent against lung infections. It has saved three people’s (my mother’s aquaintances) legs from amputation for diabetic ulcers.


397160 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RichardJames, #446 of 1877 🔗

Those words ”cheap” and ”effective” are the ones that Big Pharma hate.

396533 norwegian, replying to norwegian, -16, #447 of 1877 🔗

Here as elsewhere: Way to many eager to say something, very few engaging in conversation …

396551 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 9, #448 of 1877 🔗

You must have only just arrived.

There’s plenty of conversation here.

396564 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to norwegian, 1, #449 of 1877 🔗

Lurk moar

396660 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to norwegian, 2, #450 of 1877 🔗

there is plenty of conversation in here, surprised its called the COMMENTS section

398092 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to norwegian, #451 of 1877 🔗

Oh, that’ll be me, putting something an hour or 2 before I go to bed at 5 or 6 in the morning, plenty of replies, but after I’ve gone to bed – hardly any replies in the hour or half hour I might stay up after posting. And I might not see the thread again until very late in the day. I dare say other people have their own reasons. Plenty of conversation on here as well though.

396539 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #452 of 1877 🔗

Similar thing happened in the UK…..

How they inflated Covid-19 deaths by 16.7 times using this trick…


396543 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #453 of 1877 🔗

Comparison of total Covid-19 fatalities based upon different reporting guidelines

396558 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, 2, #454 of 1877 🔗

If our government is doing similar then that tells you everything you need to know about why Britain has such “terrible” figures and “needs to stay in lockdown”.

All based on a lie, and for an agenda.

Look at Deagel.com and see the population forecasts for 2025.

396796 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, #455 of 1877 🔗

It’s worth going back to John Lee’s original Spectator articles to note how long this has been realised. And ignored.

396561 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 12, #456 of 1877 🔗

Hmmmm….this is interesting 🤔 Yahoo reporting on a BMJ article which states that Boris & Co, should be tried for their crimes….
Is the worm starting to turn here?


396571 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 6, #457 of 1877 🔗

If you read the article it says the government should have locked down sooner and harder.

396842 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #458 of 1877 🔗

True. That part’s bollocks. However, I would settle for any reason to get him into a dock in the Old Bailey, provided the other three of The Unholy Four accompany him.

396575 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #459 of 1877 🔗

To be honest, this report – if a true reflection of the editorial – seems rather confused, and not a reflection of the central sceptics’ analysis that the over-reaction to Covid was an event of provoked mass hysteria :

Dr Abbasi condemns how ministers in the UK appear to interact with the media through “sanitised interviews, stage-managed press conferences” that, he claims, have “allowed COVID denial to flourish”.

396583 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to RickH, 9, #460 of 1877 🔗

Anyone who unironically uses the term “covid denial” should be tarred and feathered.

396591 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 6, #461 of 1877 🔗

Agree, but would be good if any enquiry looked into why there was no initial support for vitamin D, HCQ and Ivermectin, leaving the government to bet the farm (which it has done) on lockdowns and vaccines.

396603 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to isobar, 5, #462 of 1877 🔗

Because then we would learn Covid was nothing more than a money making exercise for the rich.

396670 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #463 of 1877 🔗

I think that most of us already know that

396790 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #464 of 1877 🔗

Another brainless down vote – or, to be charitable – could be finger palsy. There’s nothing there to argue about.

396640 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #465 of 1877 🔗

It’s proposing that they could be tried for not locking down early/hard enough. They wouldn’t be my charges!

396563 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #466 of 1877 🔗

Bunter will address the nation at 5pm tonight, to say that restrictions will be completely lifted on the 31st of October – “do or die”.

396633 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #467 of 1877 🔗

Another one I will not be watching.

396836 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bella Donna, #468 of 1877 🔗

It’s amazing how much lower my stress levels are, since I stopped watching the programe which they laughably refer to as “the early evening news”.

396904 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bella Donna, #469 of 1877 🔗

Do they give out medals to those who haven’t watched a single one?

Gimme, gimme, gimme………

396818 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #470 of 1877 🔗

ohh god not him again! wish he’d get off our tv screens – not that i watch any tv at all these days as the propoganda is relentless as well as just shite programmes!
what’s it this time – more dodgy made up numbers, another mutant strain – give me strength!

396828 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #471 of 1877 🔗

Except for hand sanitising, masks, social distancing, testing, vaccinations and future lockdowns. Otherwise completely back to normal.

Pull the other one fat fuck. No one believes a word you vomit out of your asshole any more.

396566 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 29, #472 of 1877 🔗

I’m going to ask the DHSC why they are calling the covid shots “vaccines” when they are not as per the accepted definition:


a substance containing a virus or bacterium in a form that is not harmful, given to a person or animal to prevent them from getting the disease that the virus or bacterium causes

They certainly don’t meet it.

The tetanus jab is a vaccine, the yellow fever jab is a vaccine.

Covid shots are not.

396657 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #473 of 1877 🔗

They misuse all the key terms.

396682 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #474 of 1877 🔗

Just skimming through the British Society for Immunology’s report (LS link) confirms this on page 7.

396567 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #475 of 1877 🔗

Every morning I wake up feeling OK for a while and then things start to slide back 🙁

396582 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #476 of 1877 🔗

No sliding back my friend, you’ve come this far hang in there, better times are coming and besides you owe me a Guinness..

396590 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #477 of 1877 🔗

I’ll happily buy you your own pub if it means getting out of this hell!

396681 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #478 of 1877 🔗

Let’s all club together and buy our very own pub: The Sceptic’s Arms.
No muzzles, no antisocial tripe, lots of singing.

397233 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Banjones, 1, #479 of 1877 🔗

Even as a teetotaler, I would raise a glass to that cause!

396589 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #480 of 1877 🔗

It’s difficult isn’t it, sometimes I get a few minutes before I remember. Hope you’re feeling a bit better than the other day.

396604 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #481 of 1877 🔗

Same here. I have a few seconds on waking, then the realisation sets in again.

396594 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #482 of 1877 🔗

Try to be strong and do something to distract yourself to escape from this madness.
Don’t allow these fuckers to poison your state of mind. I know it’s hard, but we all have your back.

396669 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #483 of 1877 🔗

Walks in the country. Re-reading favourite books. Music. Old movies. These are good things that they can’t take away from me. I also enjoy visiting this site and reminding myself that not absolutely everyone has lost the plot. (Plus I sometimes derive a certain bleak amusement from the madness – I’ve have always found there to be something absurd about the human condition and the peculiar things we do to distract ourselves from staring into the void: the last ten months have just turned the dial up to 11… )

396823 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #484 of 1877 🔗

Yep – plus enough sleep, good diet, etc. Plus meetings friends and family, socialising as much as possible, and trying to break at least one law every day. 🙂

396677 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #485 of 1877 🔗

Emily Bronte knew it too (as do we nearly all). It’s just that she said it better.

Oh I dreadful is the check – intense the agony –
When the ear begins to hear, and the eye begins to see;
When the pulse begins to throb, the brain to think again;
The soul to feel the flesh, and the flesh to feel the chain.”

I daresay Johnson and his cohort have never experienced it.

396924 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, #486 of 1877 🔗

(Sorry – an extra ‘I’ there. Copied without checking.)

396573 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 21, #487 of 1877 🔗

My wife and I were discussing cockup vs. conspiracy last night. She takes what I call the “First World War” view, after a post on this site a while back. On this view, what’s going on is that we’re being led by politicians and scientists who really are maniacal enough to think that they can “defeat” a virus if we all just throw enough lockdowns, forced business and school closures, travel bans, masks and vaccines at it – and this goals of “victory” outweighs all other considerations. I think this is plausible, but am a bit more willing to credit a conspiracy with a different agenda.

What struck me, though, is that the her view of what’s going is every bit as nightmarish as mine. Since we obviously never will “defeat” SARS-CoV-2, the justification is there for all these restrictions to remain indefinitely. There are still American troops in Afghanistan nearly 20 years after the invasion, and whenever anyone – even the US President – suggests that it’s past time for them to GTFO they’re met by resistance from military top brass who assure them that victory is in sight if we only make one big push. Remember David Petraeus’ “surge” in Iraq? When these massive operations don’t deliver on the promises, we’re then told that it’s because they weren’t massive enough, a bit like how the Branch Covidians are blaming *us* for the abject and obvious failure of the suppression “strategy”.

396578 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to mattghg, 2, #488 of 1877 🔗

Branch Covidians – love it

396597 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to landt2020, 6, #489 of 1877 🔗

Corona’s Witnesses

396592 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mattghg, 12, #490 of 1877 🔗

Conspiracy vs Cockup

Why did France on January 13th 2020 make hydroxychloroquine a prescription-only drug, after sixty years or more of it being freely available over the counter?

396595 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 8, #491 of 1877 🔗

But then ship a big load of it to the military?

396611 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to rockoman, 4, #492 of 1877 🔗

Oh yes, absolutely. I mean, I didn’t know about that particular fact (so thanks), but in general there is a huge number of “but why?” questions for cockup advocates to answer.

396664 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to rockoman, 6, #493 of 1877 🔗

Same reason South Africa made Ivermectin illegal. (Though they’ve moved on a bit now.) Same reason the positive effects of good vitamin D levels weren’t highlighted by our bunch.
”No money in it, guv.”
And, perhaps:

396705 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Banjones, 6, #494 of 1877 🔗

Same reason South Africa made Ivermectin illegal.

90% of the South African drug regulator’s income is sponsored by the Gates Foundation –> Ban Ivermectin

396606 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to mattghg, 7, #495 of 1877 🔗

When the US went into Afghanistan there was a US general being interviewed who said the outcome would be different this time as it was the American Army going in not the USSR one that had just got chucked out or the British one that had got chucked out decades earlier.

20 years later they have learned nothing – see Fingerache Philip’s comment above about learning from history.

396816 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to peterthepainter, #496 of 1877 🔗

Sadly, what they learned from history is that one needs to control the opium fields.

396609 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mattghg, 12, #497 of 1877 🔗

I like to think conspiracy till I see the absolute incompetent behaviour and stupidity from sage and the fat pig dictator and his government. I then look at what is supposed to be the opposition party. Fuck me!
To get out this mess we need clear thinking, leadership, bravery and excellent scientific understanding. So all in all we are fucked!!

396615 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #498 of 1877 🔗

You can only judge whether a person or a government is incompetent or not, once you know which goals they are pusuing.

396817 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to rockoman, 1, #499 of 1877 🔗

Yep. If the goal is tyranny, this lot are very skilled.

396612 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mattghg, 4, #500 of 1877 🔗

I don’t think your wife is right, but if she were, then the madness would continues until we were no longer capable, socially or economically of continuing – ie the complete ruin of our economy and society.

396619 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 6, #501 of 1877 🔗

On the plus side I get to hunt collaborators in the street
With spears

396665 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 14, #502 of 1877 🔗

You don’t create a police state by accident.The virus is the pretext for the control not the reason.
The destruction of the economy on the basis of a virus that you have to knock on doors to find.
I think it is the enormity of what has happened,so we look at incompetence as a theory because it gives us hope this is only temporary.

396826 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #503 of 1877 🔗

Good answer, but I would add that the main reason people don’t accept extreme conspiracies as a theory, is because normal, kind people simply cannot get their heads around the level of evil these people are willing to enact upon the population, or cope with the mental consequences such evil entails..

396782 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 8, #504 of 1877 🔗

I reckon this is multi-layered – and confused. Personally, I try to stay away from all-embracing motivational explanations, since they just lead off at a tangent when we’re having little luck in just communicating basic data and factual information.

I’m not always successful, but all-embracing Blofeld-type conspiracies are a waste of time and space in argument, even if you believe them. I tend to believe in Mike Yeadon’s ‘convergent opportunism’, with a definite role for the ‘Follow the Money/Cui Bono?’ motivations spiced with a significant role for cock-ups and herd behaviour.

396813 ▶▶ peter-, replying to mattghg, 12, #505 of 1877 🔗

I think the cock up vs conspiracy is really a two part answer.

From the Government perspective it started as a monumental cock-up and very rapidly highlighted an across the board absence of competence from the entire cabinet, which has led to endless restrictions as it is easier to hide an inability to run a country when the entire population is locked in their homes. The Govts position moved from cock-up to conspiracy, laced with further cock-ups.

From the SAGE comittee it has been a conspiracy and worse since day 1. They were handed a blank canvas to perform a social science experiment on the entire population of the UK without any liabilty for the outcome. The members of SAGE are, almost universally hard-left, puritanical prohabationists and this situation is an endless wet dream to them. They are all evil beyond belief and it is staggering that so many people still defend them and think that they are acting with the best interests of the British people at the front of their minds.

396870 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to peter-, 6, #506 of 1877 🔗

This is a plausible analysis. The biggest doubt I have about it concerns Hancock. He, like the SAGE sociopaths I think you’re right about, seems to be loving all this way too much. I’m just not sure whether that’s because he’s a true believer in Schwab’s 4IR, or whether he sees himself as some kind of vaccine-delivering hero (or both).

397038 ▶▶▶▶ peter-, replying to mattghg, 3, #507 of 1877 🔗

I don’t think Hancock has the intelligence to tie his own shoelaces in the morning, let alone be part of some grand conspiracy to turn everyone in to teetotal vegans who holiday in their own gardens. More likely he genuinely thinks he is doing the right thing for health reasons and is the messiah to the British people.

396576 Puddleglum59, 4, #508 of 1877 🔗

Anyone want a used Play Station? Hope the lad isn’t forced to say sorry

396580 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #509 of 1877 🔗

Am I correct in saying that above Jim Jones’s chair/throne in Jonestown were the words: “Those who do not learn from history are doomed (or condemned) to repeat it”?
No comment necessary.

396601 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #510 of 1877 🔗

Deleted, my reply wasn’t really relevant.

396605 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #511 of 1877 🔗

I don’t care who said what, what’s being done is what matters.

396618 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to norwegian, 1, #512 of 1877 🔗

Was that saying from the bible?

396638 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #513 of 1877 🔗

The mainstream version of anything is not the only account.
The generation of a false history is itself a history that repeats.
Mind control is the means, and the end.

But I recall Dubya Bush fluffing the quote:
“Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!”

But he got it backwards for the mainstreaming of a President everyone could feel superior to. Mind control, narrative control, take the ride while the music plays.
But every time it stops, there are less and less chairs to sit on.

396806 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Binra, 1, #514 of 1877 🔗

Ooh, a double ! 🙂

‘… fewer and fewer …’.

396588 peterthepainter, replying to peterthepainter, 28, #515 of 1877 🔗

Just been rung by GP surgery. Asked me if we could get to “vaccine” place. I said that we have not decided yet as to whether to have the “vaccine” as we had independently come to the conclusion that there were a number of concerns that needed answering and we were following developments.

Was told to ring the surgery if we changed our minds but she would put us down as refusing for the moment. I said we would bear this in mind. Perfectly pleasant conversation.

We have now had 2 calls and 1 letter about getting done. The call must have gone out for them to chase up the non-compliers.

We are not anti-vaccination as we have had annual flu jabs plus a number of others.

396613 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to peterthepainter, 8, #516 of 1877 🔗

I am not anti vax either but I will be declining it also. I am way down the list being in my 30s although I do have mild asthma. I just worry it will leave a big red dot beside my name for medical purposes. I will be telling them there is not enough evidence on how it impacts fertility and I may wish to have another child in the next few years (which is unlikely as my head is fried with 2).

396623 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #517 of 1877 🔗

You don’t need to explain, it’s your life and you should ensure these genetic chemicals will cause no harm. Pharmaceutical companies are given exemption from prosecution and that is a big problem for me.

396630 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ganjan21, 16, #518 of 1877 🔗

Where did this ‘anti-vax’ vocabulary come from?

From the same people who gave us ‘cases’ and ‘infections’.

I am not ‘anti-vax’. I am not ‘pro-vax’

I am pro-health.

The steps which are needed to maintain and restore health are to be decided empirically in each situation on the basis of knowledge and experience – not ideologically on a ‘pro-vax’ or ‘anti-vax’ basis.

396616 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peterthepainter, 10, #519 of 1877 🔗

There’s no shame in non compliance for a gene modifying experiment. I refuse to be treated as a lab rat too, join the Club!

396653 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to peterthepainter, 7, #520 of 1877 🔗

One of my rellies was told not to have it for at least six weeks after a medical procedure, which takes him to mid February. He’s already had three telephone calls (from different people IN HIS OWN GP SURGERY) since mid January, and an NHS letter inviting him to go immediately. No reference to his medical records, obviously.

396830 ▶▶ Suet, replying to peterthepainter, 2, #521 of 1877 🔗

Interesting use of words. ‘Refusal’ rather than, say, ‘decline’ or even ‘considering’. I bet that gets recorded on a central file on you somewhere.

396965 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to peterthepainter, 4, #522 of 1877 🔗

They’ve opened a mass-experimental human guinea-pig experiment in our town now.

If (when) they call for me, I will be “refusing” the experimental injection. I will tell them that I may reconsider in 5 years time when it has been tested properly. Given that they skipped animal testing, it’s probably a wise move…

I will also ask if they are making people aware that this is an experiment as part of their full disclosure procedure and also that there is currently no way of knowing what the long term effects might be.

397069 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to peterthepainter, 4, #523 of 1877 🔗

My husband had his call for the death elixir. As he’s deaf as a post I took the call for him and politely refused. They asked if I would be having it and I said ‘No’. I then said ‘Thank you’ and hung up. I would have liked to say ‘What vaccine’ as this is most definitely NOT a vaccine. No point in even debating with these idiots. Why would I risk side effects, including death, for no discernable reason? Doesn’t stop you catching it or passing it on and has killed and damaged many. Are people really this dim?

396598 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 21, #524 of 1877 🔗

Quote from the Institute For Government report linked above the line:

One of the most difficult questions for government to address will be about permitted travel….the panoply of outright bans, quarantine rules, demands for tests before and after flying – may stay. It is hard to see how it will not, given the perpetual chance of new variants with the potential to spread and the cost if that did happen. A web of rules on quarantine, vaccination, negative test certificates – different between countries and localities, and often being tweaked – is likely to remain.

They are laughing at us. Welcome to the rest of your life under medical martial law.

396703 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 6, #525 of 1877 🔗

Perhaps it’d be interesting to watch how travel insurance companies handle this. They’re always a good barometer.

396800 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Banjones, 2, #526 of 1877 🔗

Superb comment; it is amazing how many issues in the public sphere could be resolved by simply asking for an insurance quotation, or otherwise by watching how that industry views the problem.

There is very little that doesn’t get illuminated by such observation. Even with no experience in that industry, just viewing the issue as if you were an insurer can help.

397007 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to RichardJames, 1, #527 of 1877 🔗

I wouldn’t even bother answering the phone if I knew it was the GPs surgery phoning. Not sure if Im still on my GPs books anyway as I returned the flu vaccine invitation unopened and marked ‘ no longer at this address ‘. I’ve taken the precaution of blocking the surgery number on my phone.

397841 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to fiery, 1, #528 of 1877 🔗

yes, I’ve been considering taking myself out of the NHS altogether. If I get sick, I’ll just go to bed, and then either get better and get up, or die there.

396600 Binra, replying to Binra, #529 of 1877 🔗

The belief and perception that pushing the fat man to save others from the ‘collective’ or lesser evil, will operate as IF a quantitative easement of moral dilemma.

So abstracted ‘what if’ modelling can always generate scenarios where NOT doing as the framing of the model suggests can be itself framed as weak, wrong, impractical, ineffective and dangerous even heretical!

Mind-framing is something that ‘normality’ runs unaware of.
Beliefs and perceptions can run as if they are actually true.
Vicarious gratifications and mitigations or compensations can run as overlayering social masking realities that never were true – but for being mainstreamed as acceptable currency of exchange.
Nice illusions can mask over nightmare illusions. Seeking to save our self from our nightmares can sacrifice anything and everything in the framing of a refusal to see and know. In this sense a false sense of ‘individuality’ is asserted as a false context from which to relate to anyone and everyone.
That this false sense of self then develops a society of collective sacrifice is hardly surprising – and under the frame of sacrificing true individuality to a collective ‘safety’.
The false sense of safety under a collectivism of cognitive dissonance is desperate to maintain the ‘system’ by which its persona-reinforcement is ‘made safe’ and delivers itself unto evil under the belief that the only life is within its protection.
For the reliving of the terror or pain of loss from which it flees is unthinkable, and always the greater evil. Until the willingness to question reality – our own thinking, moves within us and finds allowance instead of rejection and denial.

The fear of something can destroy us without ever actually finding out what it was or whether it was so, And fears can be set about us as fences against which change is denied to a locked down or petrified defence.The systemic operation of fear as control can hardly live! But will seem to have all the life we give it as our chosen way to limit, conflict and die.

The word individual was once like to indivisible. ‘What If’…is the capacity to select out and give focus to a modelling of ideas based on rules established as past experience, running invisibly and operating as a matrix for virtual experience through which to persist the identity of the modelling or cultural parameters.

A true currency is truly current – not ‘as if’ or merely symbolic representation. When cultural constructs disintegrate, it reveals a loss of integrity in functional terms. to double down in further masking of derivatives of derivatives is the sacrifice of life known and lived for an illusion of control over it. What else is that but death?

396647 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Binra, 5, #530 of 1877 🔗


396654 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Banjones, 2, #531 of 1877 🔗

If you think you are what you think – I cannot help you.
If you think the world is as you think, I cannot help you.
That you are not really asking or offering anything is your own reaction for your own reasons.
Do you seek pardon?

396801 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Binra, #532 of 1877 🔗


396749 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Binra, 8, #533 of 1877 🔗

Waiter, Waiter!

There’s a dictionary in my tumble dryer!

396765 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to AidanR, 1, #534 of 1877 🔗

Confucius was asked what he would do if in the reins of power.
He replied that he would redeem the dictionary.

Definitions are the underpinning to all that follow.
Now you enjoy your viral RNA definitions too.
And all that follows.

The mainstreamed mind is captive to an incapacity for conscious relationship.
Jack up! Get your fix! Immunise against Communication itself – be the bubble and froth to wit.

396610 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #535 of 1877 🔗

Sweden going for health passports then. Oh well, I guess we saw this coming.

396631 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #536 of 1877 🔗

The legacy media stated there would be no such thing
I’m shocked

396651 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to PoshPanic, 17, #537 of 1877 🔗

The flame of liberty is finally snuffed out across Europe, not by governments, but by those willing to accept their decrees and cry out for more of the same.

The intelligensia, too ignorant of the great evils of central planning and collectivism, despite the example of the second world war, have failed utterly to fully comprehend the damage of socialism, under which we have been living for far too long. A socialism which nessesarily makes slaves of citizens, and makes rule by coercion.

So now we move toward a global socialism. As Hayek said, it is indeed the Road to Serfdom, and we are almost at the destination. Any scheme that requires this much coercion to come to fruition is evil and despotic.

This can only end in war or slavery.

396757 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #538 of 1877 🔗

So now we move toward a global socialism.”

Oh dear! A new name for Hayek-driven deregulated global capitalism.

Delusion on either side! That’s why things are so grim.

396769 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 5, #539 of 1877 🔗

Well, don’t be shy, dispense your pearls of wisdom that we may all be cured of our folly.

396672 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #540 of 1877 🔗

Sorry I missed this – do you have a link for it?

396707 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Julian, 3, #541 of 1877 🔗
396867 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to norwegian, #542 of 1877 🔗


397738 ▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Julian, #543 of 1877 🔗

A digital certificate showing that you have been vaccinated against covid-19 must be in place by 1 June. That is the government’s goal, according to Minister for Digitalisation Anders Ygeman.
– When Sweden and countries around us start to open up, there will probably be requirements for vaccination certificates to travel and participate in other activities.
In order for the certificate to fulfill its function, Sweden works both nationally and internationally.
– Such a certificate must be recognized by the countries of the world. For that reason, Sweden is actively working with the WHO and the EU to ensure that the certificates maintain an international standard, says Minister of Social Affairs Lena Hallengren (S).
Today, there are no formal certificates that are accepted globally by either Sweden or other countries. Part of the work to be able to produce such a certificate is to gain more knowledge about the spread of infection, said Hallengren.
Goal: Ready for the summer Minister for Digitalisation Anders Ygeman (S) explained in more detail how it will work.
– Everyone who is vaccinated has the right to receive a certificate from the vaccinator. We are now developing a digital infrastructure for vaccination passes and verification of these. It will make vaccination certificates safer, easier and internationally valid, says Ygeman.
The government instructs three authorities to continue the work of producing such a vaccination certificate. At the same time, Sweden wants to be an active party in shaping the international vaccination certificates and be involved in the WHO’s work.
– The goal is for the digital infrastructure to be in place by the summer, said Anders Ygeman.
More specifically, the set date is June 1, 2021.
Like the Danish example To date, at least 264,000 people in Sweden have received a first dose of vaccine. The vaccination certificate that will be drawn up will have the same focus as the Danish one. In Denmark, the acting Minister of Finance Morten Bødskov described it as an extra passport, which you can have in your mobile phone.
To Dagens Nyheter , Ygeman says that for the elderly it will be possible to get the certificate on paper and then verify it against a digital register. At present, it is possible to print out your medical record to prove vaccination.
In Denmark, it has also been discussed that the digital vaccination certificates can be used on other occasions, such as restaurant visits, sports and cultural events and conferences. That such a thing would also be relevant in Sweden is not ruled out by Ygeman.

Oh my God, what an awful awful world they have planned for us.

396614 RickH, replying to RickH, 16, #544 of 1877 🔗

“… infection rates were “coming down but they are still incredibly high”

Once again , we have a lead article that quotes Whitty, and, indeed, disputes issues of timing, but fails to question the whole notion of ‘infection rates’ – i.e. ; PCR+ results, even though there is criticism of the government position on the basis of numbers ;

“… the idea that it is Government restrictions that are keeping the virus at bay grows more implausible by the day.”

All through this history of quoting of unstable test results, we have never had necessary data that (a) clearly relates PCR+ results to illness or (b) provides comparative baselines for the historical relationship of PCR results for other viruses where we know the outcome in terms of real infection.

Meanwhile Whitty is allowed by the supine profession of journalism to get away with turning RNA detection into ‘infection rates’ – and this site constantly endorses the

396626 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to RickH, 7, #545 of 1877 🔗

I think LS has covered the issue of the difference between positive test results, infections and “cases” many times over the months. They just probably think it’s an unproductive use of space to restate the argument in every edition particularly as we are all fully aware of the arguments by now.

396652 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #546 of 1877 🔗

I get your drift.

However, each repetition of an official term with its official meaning helps to cement that term in the unconscious mind.

It should be avoided.

We are in a struggle. We cede psychological ground every time we use the words of those we are struggling against with the meanings assigned to them by those we struggle against.

396668 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 8, #547 of 1877 🔗

Agree 100%

It’s understandable that someone trying to write about this finds it hard falling into the trap of using the official distortions, but important to avoid them

396798 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to rockoman, 4, #548 of 1877 🔗

Yep. The biggest two for me are

  • Lockdown House arrest.
  • Vaccine Experimental treatment.
396644 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 5, #549 of 1877 🔗

We need more mention of the fact (if my memory doesn’t serve me falsely) that it was stated back in September that flu ”cases” numbers would be lumped together with ”covid”. Hence the ”disappearance” of flu. How convenient.

396622 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 29, #550 of 1877 🔗

This seems like the biggest heist ever, trying to get all over 50’s vaxed now to fill the quota, for a virus which has only affected 2million out of 7.7 billion and a vax which won’t make you immune or stop you getting it and how they can say it will reduce your symptoms when they don’t know what your symptoms may have been is beyond me. Getting enough cash in for their new Gene Therapy Labs is a big incentive, plus enough willing victims to try out the experimental gene therapy.

396636 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 4, #551 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I’ve just been skimming through the British Society for Immunology report (LS link) which confirms this. Everything that’s said points to the vaxes being experimental. ”It is not known,,,,”, ”we don’t yet know”, ”it has to be seen…” etc.

396650 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Banjones, 6, #552 of 1877 🔗

They are harvesting DNA and of course records of who has it to use in these labs when they open, Gene Therapy is experimental but the direction they are going.

396627 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 26, #553 of 1877 🔗
396719 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #554 of 1877 🔗


396628 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #555 of 1877 🔗

Remember when “skoolz n ‘ospitals” was all anyone talked about as priorities for public spending? It appears skoolz weren’t too important to them after all.

396634 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #556 of 1877 🔗

skoolz, don’t make money, pharma does

396745 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, 2, #557 of 1877 🔗

Schools make compliant tax cattle.

396637 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #558 of 1877 🔗

Or ‘ospitals – when one looks at the massive reduction in NHS capacity, particularly since 2010.

396649 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to rockoman, 2, #559 of 1877 🔗

They get more and more money and offer fewer and fewer beds. Quite a feat.

396730 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #560 of 1877 🔗

An don’t forget lookin after penson, pennsinor, old folk.

396747 ▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #561 of 1877 🔗

yes – – remember Bliar and his “Education education education”.
Now it is “covid covid covid”

396635 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 20, #562 of 1877 🔗

I think by now we all know of more people who have had the vaccine than the feckin virus. And it’s getting larger by the day. One of my friends told me last night he got it on Monday, said he begged for it as he cares for and lives with his Mum. He is a perfectly fit male in his 30s, not even a key worker. Idiot.

396658 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #563 of 1877 🔗

Did you tell him that it doesn’t stop transmission?

396667 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to rockoman, 16, #564 of 1877 🔗

Yes I told him this, although it went over his head. He is afraid of getting Covid himself and said he wanted the jab so that there was les of a chance he would die if he caught it. I mean, FFS!

396718 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ganjan21, 11, #565 of 1877 🔗

So in twelve months of the virus being around you have not caught it. But now we are in a lesser endemic phase you want a jab to stop you dying? Eer what? Wow the power of government propaganda is something innit. If old Adolf had this we would all be having this conversation in German!

396735 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #566 of 1877 🔗

Mmmm … he won’t be on his own in not understanding that absolute risk reduction is less than half a percent.

397221 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #567 of 1877 🔗

Due to the possibility of ADE, he may actually have increased his chance of death if he gets it.

396661 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #568 of 1877 🔗

I just do not get it. Surely he gets his mum vaxxed then therego she is protected due to the magic potion. When did this immutable fact become so difficult to understand?

396671 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #569 of 1877 🔗

He doesn’t give a shit about his Mum, has a warped idea the jab will prevent him dying if he gets Covid.

396675 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #570 of 1877 🔗

The ostentatious mask wearers who just want to protect you are lying scum as well. They’re just frightened.

396787 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #571 of 1877 🔗

How true, Jo.

Hence the best, nastiest put-down you can make to one of the maskoids ever seen on this site.

(Hand-wringing voice) “You’re selfish for not wearing a mask.”
“No. I’m not selfish; you’re scared!

Said with a laugh for added vigour.

396676 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #572 of 1877 🔗

It’s ignorance, the ally of despots.

396695 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Ganjan21, 11, #573 of 1877 🔗

I was in a Zoom meeting yesterday 15 participants, 14 had had the “vaccine” 1 (me) hadn’t. I know of only 1 person who has tested “positive” and that is my mother in her care home. By the way – mother had no symptoms and has remained well.

396696 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #574 of 1877 🔗

Q: How dumb are you if you fear Scam-19 when in you 30s?!

A: Dumb overload, aborting …

396701 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #575 of 1877 🔗

By this time next year we will all know more people IRL that have died with vaccine than with bat cold

397796 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Crystal Decanter, #576 of 1877 🔗

true – with the proviso that the true cause of death will be covered up and masked with the bat flu

397800 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, #577 of 1877 🔗

I am 100% certain that more than one person in my RL will be dead by this time next year; I have known nobody who died of bat flu, not even a friend of a friend of a friend

396732 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #578 of 1877 🔗

“…he begged for it as he cares for and lives with his Mum…”

The irony is that they are shying away from making any clams that it reduces transmission.

396642 Natalie Shay, replying to Natalie Shay, 17, #579 of 1877 🔗

Orwell was wrong. . it’s not . “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.” …it’s “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a vaccine jabbing a human arm – for ever.”

396659 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Natalie Shay, 11, #580 of 1877 🔗

I think there will be some idiots who will be queuing up for the next vaccine before the refuseniks for the first one have been rounded up and dealt with.

396919 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 1, #581 of 1877 🔗

Just wait for the vax tourists who brag about having multiple shots from multiple brands of jab.

396643 Johnsontown, 17, #582 of 1877 🔗

It was good while it lasted

396645 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 15, #583 of 1877 🔗

Very good piece on JHB this morning https://talkradio.co.uk/radio/listen-again/1612420200# about 09.08 -09.20 with Anthony J Brookes of Leicester University . He makes the point that lockdowns have weakened us.

396655 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to arfurmo, 19, #584 of 1877 🔗

Physically and mentally of course they have! More of the population have become so sedentary being locked in, there will be an increase in obesity and all sorts of health issues. More alcohol consumed, plus the fear porn instilling people with stress levels on a daily basis. The list is endless as we all know.

396721 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #585 of 1877 🔗

Physically and mentally of course they have!

economically, socially, emotionally, too. Is a long list.

396722 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #586 of 1877 🔗

Not to mention the general lowering of immunity.

396666 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to arfurmo, 17, #587 of 1877 🔗

For the most part, yes. Some of us have taken the opportunity of having few interruptions to grow stronger, wiser, more capable. Time is the most valuable resource of all. Those who have been given so much of it, yet squandered the gift have only themselves to blame.

396683 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #588 of 1877 🔗

Yes good point.

396688 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #589 of 1877 🔗

Underrated post

396728 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, -1, #590 of 1877 🔗

Those who have been given so much of it, yet squandered the gift have only themselves to blame.”

I think that’s virtue-signalling – not wisdom 🙂

396963 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #591 of 1877 🔗


397754 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, #592 of 1877 🔗

yes, but i feel sorry for those who are in solitary confinement; those who are stuck with small children; or those who are stuck with partners or family members they do not get on with, or who are completely brainwashed

396674 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to arfurmo, 8, #593 of 1877 🔗

The awful costs of lockdown are going to be hard and long lasting but they will forever be blamed on the virus and not the disproportional responses to it. It will NEVER be acknowladged we have overreacted; at least not in my lifetime.

396656 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #594 of 1877 🔗

Anyone have information they can link to on the novovax. I have heard it is a more of a traditional vax?

396692 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #595 of 1877 🔗

No, it’s another genetic therapy, from what I can see.

Quote from their site:

“Our recombinant nanoparticle vaccine technology combines the power and speed of genetic engineering to efficiently produce a new class of highly immunogenic particles that target a variety of viral pathogens. Our recombinant vaccine engineering takes a new approach to provide robust and functional immunity, which may be more efficacious than naturally occurring immunity or traditional vaccines. Using innovative proprietary recombinant nanoparticle vaccine technology, we produce vaccine candidates to efficiently and effectively respond to both known and emerging disease threats.”

Link: https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology#recombinant-nanoparticle-vaccine-technology

396711 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to this is my username, 9, #596 of 1877 🔗

All the vaccines are gene “therapy” one way or another. Avoid at all costs.

397741 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, #597 of 1877 🔗

even the Russian one? I think they said it was a traditional one, so I was hoping it was just saline solution

396744 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 5, #598 of 1877 🔗

I’m no scientist but just the sound of that shit is terrifying. The traditional “we are an old dead bit of virus” i’m totally cool with. This shit though.

396753 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #599 of 1877 🔗

They have an adjuvant called “Matrix-M™” – I don’t like the sound of that either.

I will say here I am anti-vax, because all vaccines are biblically unclean, but these mRNA vaccines are scary. I am reminded of Revelation 9:6 “In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.”

The people promoting these genetic therapies have no idea what they will do, how harmful they might be.

Boris Johnson and his father Stanley have written a lot about overpopulation. A UK government presided over an NHS which was killing 130,000 elderly a year on the Liverpool “Care” Pathway, and we are supposed to believe that these leaders want our good health and wellbeing?

396966 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to this is my username, 3, #600 of 1877 🔗

Even more disturbing is the thought that ‘they’ know all too well what they will do – and the ones who are harmed are just collateral damage.

More and more it’s looking like the Final Solution.

397171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Banjones, 2, #601 of 1877 🔗

Everyone will be harmed because this will make them not human anymore. Having a side effect isn’t the point. The long term result will be seen on the Judgement Day. This could be the Mark of the beast.

397041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to this is my username, 1, #602 of 1877 🔗

Boris writing about over population? He’s hardly doing his bit is he, do as I say not as I do.

397744 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, #603 of 1877 🔗

yes, why do they use these fucking stupid names? it’s so infantile, what the hell is wrong with them? like didn’t Gates choose the number ‘666’ for one of his patents, and there is ‘Luciferase’ which I think is some kind of technology for barcoding you with your vaccine records?

397010 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #604 of 1877 🔗

The British Lung Foundation says:

”They will have met strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set by the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency). You will not be able to choose which vaccine you have , but you can be assured the vaccine you get will be highly effective and will protect you from coronavirus.”

Oh yeah. Not much point doing research then, is there?

397201 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Banjones, 3, #605 of 1877 🔗

“you can be assured the vaccine you get will be highly effective and will protect you from coronavirus.”

That is a very strong assertion that is not backed up by evidence.

397750 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 3, #606 of 1877 🔗

the British Lung Foundation can kiss my ass

396662 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 32, #607 of 1877 🔗

Please, can those who write the ATL not put pictures of that cunt Whitty on this site (without a black strip across his eyes, if you must have the picture at all).

Pictures of The Gang of Four (Witless, Unbalanced, The Pig Dictator and above all, Ferguson of the Pantsdown) make my blood pressure seriously increase.

396737 ▶▶ Basics, replying to RichardJames, 16, #608 of 1877 🔗

At first seeing that psy-op street video of the freak whitty being heckled by young fool I thought it was a fakereal?realfake video production.

Freak whitty was like a robot walking in street then stopped….. dead absolutely dead, no blinks nothing. He is really peculiar and not in the way alan turning wasn’t.

397061 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 3, #609 of 1877 🔗

Didn’t his biggest fan Madge Hancock describe him as ”one of our greatest living scientists”?
(Not sure about the word ”living”. Perhaps it was a typo and the word should be ”lying”.)

396663 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 20, #610 of 1877 🔗

I only got around to reading this last night, so forgive me if you’ve already been through it. For those who haven’t seen it, please read it, digest it, and perhaps pass it on to anyone you know who’s thinking of having the vaccine:


If after reading this any vaccine enthusiast wants to call me an ‘anti-vaxxer’ for having concerns about these vaccines, then they either a) are acting deceitfully and irresponsibly or b) have reading comprehension issues.

Here are some key points:

14. Claims of up to 95% effectiveness of the vaccines were based on evidence of effectiveness in preventing mild symptoms. The concerns caused by this pandemic and the justification for all imposed measures and restrictions have never [been about] mild symptoms. Outcomes of concern, such as severe disease, hospitalisation and death were not assessed in the trials. Therefore, we are unaware of any evidence that any vaccine against Covid-19 will benefit public or individual health in terms of reducing serious illness or deaths.

15. Published claims of effectiveness were based on interim analyses of trial data, assessing an extremely small number of trial participants. This numbered only 94 out of 40,000 participants in the Pfizer trial (0.2% of the total cohort) who were the first participants to develop mild symptoms and who tested PCR positive for SARS-CoV-2. The efficacy claim is based on the fact that 95% of this small group were in the placebo arm. Due to the small numbers, we consider that this has limited statistical significance and , in any case, is only a measure of Relative Risk Reduction. Closer scrutiny of the figures reveals that the Absolute Risk Reduction to an individual inferred by the vaccine is only about 0.4%. In addition, the full raw trial data is yet to be published and multiple cases of clinical disease, including two cases of serious disease in the vaccine group, were not included in the analysis, as they were not confirmed with a positive test.

16. There is no evidence of the long-term safety of Covid-19 vaccines as the existing Phase 3 trials have only been running for about 6 months. Indeed, only about 2 months of short-term safety data is available. It is therefore unknown whether there will be serious late-onset side effects resulting from the vaccines e.g., cancers, autoimmune diseases, infertility, neurological disease etc. These conditions can take months or years to become apparent. . . .

21. Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 are based on a completely new biotechnology. mRNA and DNA-vector vaccines have never previously received full regulatory approval for mass public use and are more akin to genetic manipulation/modification than traditional vaccination. Current trials have only been in progress for a few months and therefore do not allow any conclusions regarding possible medium and long-term effects of this novel approach. Multiple concerns have been raised by scientists regarding possible adverse effects, which at this stage remain unrefuted owing to lack of data. It is important to be aware that all the Covid-19 vaccine trials are ongoing and not due to finish until the end of 2022/beginning of 2023. In the circumstances, it is our opinion that the vaccines remain experimental, and anyone vaccinated is effectively taking part in the trials looking at long term effects, despite the emergency approval.

22. mRNA and DNA vaccines are designed to induce an immune response against a protein that the body has been prompted to produce itself, by incorporation of the synthetic viral gene present in the vaccine (in the form of mRNA or DNA) into the cell internal machinery or genome. It is currently hypothesised that this immune response will be limited to the target protein and not be directed to any innate human proteins, but there is no current data that can rule out the possibility that this technology may trigger autoimmune diseases, which could take several months or years to manifest.


396679 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #611 of 1877 🔗

Thank you, I shall be saving this. Point 16 is all I need to know.

396997 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #612 of 1877 🔗

Looking at point 16 recalls words from the NHS own webpage on this ”vaccine”:
No long-term complications have been reported.”
Makes you want to weep.

396685 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JohnDanny, 13, #613 of 1877 🔗

Thanks for this, very grateful.

And don’t worry about this:

If after reading this any vaccine enthusiast wants to call me an ‘anti-vaxxer’”

These people are pig ignorant, you must not be disturbed by the wittering of contemptible fools.

396716 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #614 of 1877 🔗

It’s not about being anti-vaccination.

It’s about being pro-science and rationality.

But I’ve learned over the past nine months of why so many engage in transparent telephone and e-mail scams. You can fool a hell a lot of the people a hell of a lot of the time.

396920 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to JohnDanny, #615 of 1877 🔗

Tried to view but can’t load documents . Anyone else having problems?

396984 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #617 of 1877 🔗

Unfortunately, anyone who’s convinced themselves they want to have the ”vaccine” and are awaiting the call, won’t want to be dissuaded by common sense argument, or even to hear another point of view. Fingers in ears, ”la la la” will be the response.

397059 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #618 of 1877 🔗

If anyone’s having trouble loading the document go here and scroll down an inch to the first open letter titled Open Letter to Employers re Proposed Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates. You can download the PDF there:


396678 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #619 of 1877 🔗

Ironic that this is the BBC website – but, given that this is about NI only the figures re. cancelled procedures relating to cancer are appalling.

I don’t have the data to estimate the overall deaths related to these delays – but it would be a reasonable supposition they will now be making a significant impact on the all-cause mortality figures, whilst Whitty is wittering about Covid :

“It’s BEHIND you!!!!”


396700 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to RickH, 16, #620 of 1877 🔗

I work for a cancer charity and live in N.I. I could write essays of stories from patients as to what has happened to them in the past year. Check ups delayed for months then finding they have cancer spread that far that it’s too late for treatment and/or surgery so they are on deaths door. It’s diabolical.

396706 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ganjan21, 14, #621 of 1877 🔗

I think ‘diabolical’ is a good word, in its root sense and implication of evil-doing.

No excuses, and a virtue-signalling outburst of clapping won’t cure it.

396761 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #622 of 1877 🔗

It’s criminal is what it is. People need to be held to account for what has happened.

396991 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #623 of 1877 🔗

Please do exactly that and send it to the admin of this page. We have to get these stories out NOW

397720 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, #624 of 1877 🔗

and that, if nothing else, proves that this has never been about saving lives or public health

396680 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 34, #625 of 1877 🔗

So “infections” are still “incredibly high.”

It’s good that they employ such precision and clarity in these scientific briefings.

Tomorrow it’ll be “Fuck man there’s like, loads of this shit around, you get me blud?”

396693 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #626 of 1877 🔗

Reminds me of the State of the Union address by President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho in Idiocracy.

396704 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #627 of 1877 🔗

Oh for the calm and rational leadership of a President Camacho!

396699 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #628 of 1877 🔗

And like, I’ve just been to a hospital man, and there’s like a shit load of sick people there man!! Like eeew!

396791 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #629 of 1877 🔗

The only thing that is incredible (unbelievable) is their statements.

397076 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #630 of 1877 🔗

It’s just another example of their INCREDIBLY patronising way of addressing the populace. Scruffy oik Johnson especially.

(Perhaps, though – just a thought – this is a bluff and they are using the word ”incredibly” in its truest sense: dubious, questionable, far-fetched, fictitious. Et cetera.)

396684 leggy, replying to leggy, 7, #631 of 1877 🔗

So Piers Corbyn is now arrested for a cartoon:


It might be considered as being in bad taste by some, but is it really illegal?

396687 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to leggy, 2, #632 of 1877 🔗

A good opportunity to present an argument in an emotion free court setting

396690 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to leggy, 16, #633 of 1877 🔗

Germans did not believe it was happening either. Everyone in the modern world is wise about Nazis but the fact is that most of them would have gone along with Hitler’s programme. if they had been born a century earlier.

396712 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #634 of 1877 🔗

Yep, and nothing bad has ever happened in “the good part of the world” …

396789 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, #635 of 1877 🔗

You noticed too.

397710 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, #636 of 1877 🔗

yes I think if you go along with the covid death cult it’s a pretty good indicator that you probably would have been up for Nazism (they’re pretty much the same thing, after all) – so that means nearly the entire population, with exceptions you could count on one hand. so no surprises there then

396714 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to leggy, 13, #637 of 1877 🔗

The only thing that is in bad taste is arresting someone for using the hard won lessons of history to make a point about the value of freedom.

396725 ▶▶ Basics, replying to leggy, 2, #638 of 1877 🔗

Robert Green was arrested for carrying leaflets.

396726 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to leggy, 5, #639 of 1877 🔗

All that talk about freedom of speech you know was of course just talk …

396792 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 6, #640 of 1877 🔗


“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

Frank Zappa

396691 Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 15, #641 of 1877 🔗

Just complained- as a dentist- to the magazine which has censored John Hardie’s article. If anybody else wishes to do so, their feedback form is easily-findable.
I complained only about the act of censorship, not the content of the article.

396697 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #642 of 1877 🔗

Yes – it’s a despicable illustration of where misinformation is actually coming from.

396851 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnB, #644 of 1877 🔗

Thanks, John. Did you pick up on my LFC post yesterday?

397149 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #645 of 1877 🔗

I did. And replied too. 🙂

Sooooooo fucked off after last night. Almost as if LFC are part of the plan to depress and discourage us all. 🙂

397451 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnB, #646 of 1877 🔗

And Citeh are going through the gears….I can just about deal with BLM, but it’s VAR that’s the serious problem for me…..it’s okay for sports like Rugby (which essentially moves from one set play to the next) or cricket (which is largely played at walking pace), but it’s just not appropriate for football , and it’s rapidly ruining the game….this time last year, like I’ve done since ’64/’65, I was watching every match I possibly could…..now I just watch our games, and that’s more out of a sense of tradition than anything else…..I read somewhere last night that Infantino has said that individual countries can scrap VAR if they wish- but I can’t see it happening.
Brighton deserved their win- they were the better team by a fair margin. And Klopp is sounding tired and ratty.

396715 The Walrus, replying to The Walrus, 2, #647 of 1877 🔗

Another excellent essay regarding the trolly dilemma can be found at https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/01/bystander-at-switch-moral-case-against.html . I highly recommend it.

396766 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to The Walrus, 1, #648 of 1877 🔗

I read that the other day. Deeply humane and moving.

396717 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 65, #649 of 1877 🔗

I feel hope… finally!

Sounds like HM Treasury has HAD ENOUGH!

Boris and Matt are spouting such desperate nonsense, they will surely soon be deserted and politics will follow its natural course of throwing them under the bus.

People are working around the clock to lift the Imperius Curse that Labour is under.

Vaccine deaths are undeniable. Expect mass backlash imminently…

Ivermectin is the buzz word of the week.

Everyone’s talking about Vernon Coleman’s emotional video.

“Vaccinate the entire world” is being called out for its lunacy.

I’m trying to trend the phrases:
“Novel vaccine”
“No Vax Propaganda”
“Vaccine Choice”
“Population Immunity First”
Please help!

No one in Holland and Barrett questioned my maskless face yesterday. I also high fived a baby, shook a stranger’s hand and hugged a friend in public. (Lead by example, everyone!)

FINALLY someone speaking truth about the MADNESS of hand sanitiser. Let’s get this out everywhere.

The wheels are coming off. Let’s take this juggernaut to the scrap yard where it belongs.

We are most certainly DONE with SARS-CoV-2 in countries where it became endemic. Yay! Good old human immune system!

Pity Australia and New Zealand. Winter is coming…

Final word: there is NO vaccine for truth. Truth will always spread. Truth gets stronger and stronger the more you try to exterminate it.

Lies always fail.
Truth always wins.

In the end.

If we’re still existing in the lie… we’re not at the end.

Fight on, truth! Fight on!

396734 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #650 of 1877 🔗

The scorched earth policies currently being implemented worldwide will necessarily mean unfathomable levels of suffering and death before it is finally defeated. Every war has casualties, and this is no exception.

396742 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richard O, 8, #651 of 1877 🔗

Sadly, yes. And most of them self-inflicted.

396741 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #652 of 1877 🔗

I … admire your optimism …

396724 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 8, #653 of 1877 🔗

Someone should do a “Downfall” video on the SAGEites in the bunker listening to the leader’s delusional rants about how sticking fanatically to lockdown will lead to final victory. The problem is that Whity & Co. are just too bland, although that doesn’t make them any less of a menace.

396760 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to frankfrankly, 6, #654 of 1877 🔗

A lot of Adolf’s crew were men you wouldn’t look twice at if you passed them in the street, same with my namesake, the Georgian fellow and his entourage.

397056 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to frankfrankly, #655 of 1877 🔗

There’s always this one, from the second lockdown.


396727 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #656 of 1877 🔗

Rat smelling

The Pig Dictators cycle around the Olympic Park

Ted’s rugby game in a park amongst all the yummy mummy’s

Whitty’s shirtsleeve food trip…. hey, we even allow dissent

The message; look at us we are not living in bunkers. We can go out without bodyguards. We move freely amongst the people because they love us so much

The Rapist’s Dad’s only outdoor trip was to a village where he posed like Kim.
What they didn’t tell you was that they had evacuated all the villagers before his arrival (no I’m not making that bit up)

Hail our glorious leaders

396914 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, #657 of 1877 🔗

The free movement thing needs to….uh…. change…. drastically.

396729 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 9, #658 of 1877 🔗

I have been reading and assessing the various vaccines in case a person of the hand-wringer persuasion is ever unwise enough to ask me which is the safest vaccine to have, if you are forced to do so.

Efficacy is an irrelevancy, as the disease itself is so useless at causing serious injury or death. So we are left with safety, but with the acknowledgement that the absolute safety of all of the vaccines is very much guesswork at the moment.

It was a cause of considerable irony that I found the most old-fashioned and well-made vaccines to be the Sinopharm ones, made in China!

396738 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RichardJames, 6, #659 of 1877 🔗

It is quite remarkable when my consideration for a covid vaccine would be what is the safest not the most effective.

396758 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #660 of 1877 🔗

Safest “vaccine” is human immunity. Go play in the mud, have lots of sex, eat fresh fruit and veg, and walk in the fresh air as often as you can.

396788 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #661 of 1877 🔗

I like the second bit activity

396861 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #662 of 1877 🔗

That’s a “vaccine” that I support 100%, but it does need to be continuous to be really effective.

396887 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Sampa, 1, #663 of 1877 🔗

EXACTLY! Lockdowns, masking, distancing and DIRECT threats to the human immune system. Reject this attack NOW!

396847 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to RichardJames, 2, #664 of 1877 🔗

Over here in São Paulo we have Coronavac/Sinovac with an amazing 50.38% efficiency……

396736 Victoria, #665 of 1877 🔗


An interesting and informative short documentary about the effectiveness of different types of masks. Includes an excellent section in double masking


396739 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #666 of 1877 🔗


This piece from Israel, the vax capital of the world, is worth a read. It shows how the variants will now be used to: a) mean a slower return to the “new normal” b) Require a higher percentage of people to be vaxxed (including kids) – because somehow the herd immunity threshold has been raised due to the variants???

In summary, the promised release from lockdown hell due to mass vaccination is evaporating day by day. I have no idea when the general population will wake up to this…

Vaccinated! Now what? An expert offers answers for Israel’s dosed and confused

396762 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to godowneasy, #667 of 1877 🔗

Thanks – well worth reading.

Recommend to any others who can bear MSM for a minute or two.

396786 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 3, #668 of 1877 🔗

‘dosed and confused’, love it!

396793 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 13, #669 of 1877 🔗

This is one of the biggest lies of all. The “vaccine” is not going to lead to a relaxation of restrictions, and will itself become a key tool in making them tighter than ever, and permanent.

396795 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 6, #670 of 1877 🔗


One hopes that the obvious expectancy amongst so many people that the ‘vaccine’ is the way back to normal, will result in some kind of awakening when those hopes are inevitably dashed.

396911 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 2, #671 of 1877 🔗

The jabs are just another herd management tool for the controllers.

396743 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 6, #672 of 1877 🔗

Anyone know what’s going on the Netherlands? Did the rebellion against curfew peter out or is it ongoing but being ignored by the legacy media?

396780 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mattghg, 6, #673 of 1877 🔗

Unless you actually know someone in individual countries it’s become almost impossible to get a true picture of what’s going on out there, due to media distortion.

396901 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #674 of 1877 🔗

I checked the webcam for a supposedly popular area of Amsterdam , dam Sq ,
A few people about , noone seems to be sitting outside cafes (mind you probably rather cold) . However , unlike that now nationally famous bench in Essex , people seem to be allowed to sit on the benches around the square . Not a picture of a bustling metropolis.

396746 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #675 of 1877 🔗

Difficult to understand the low C-19 serology findings in the UK reported earlier. This must be disputable. In week 4 2021 Sweden 40% serology pos in the whole country.In Stockholm 45 %. Even in some far away Northern regions up to 50% pos. London must have roughly the same as Stockholm.


397105 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #677 of 1877 🔗

Here’s my graph from yesterday for UK regions

I think it is difficult to compare English and Swedish antibody prevalence figures, because it’s hard to compare methodology, for example who are they testing and where are they setting the antibody titres for a positive result, and what account is taken of waning antibodies etc.

If you compared the covid+ death curves for say London and Sweden, I think they might look quite similar. Single peak and sharp almost identical decline in Spring 2020, and gradual single rise and sharp fall in the winter resurgence in Sweden and London

Note in England as a whole where there were 2 humps in the winter resurgence death graph but London is a single hump.

So my guess is that underlying immunity in Sweden and London is at comparable levels. But hard to say for sure. And I haven’t looked at in detail.

397131 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #678 of 1877 🔗

And here’s the London death graph for comparison

396750 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #679 of 1877 🔗

We need inquests

396900 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #680 of 1877 🔗

No, we need heads to go down! Like in French revolution!

396751 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #681 of 1877 🔗

P.S. Appreciate the TOTAL 180 on ATL content today, after drifting in the wrong direction for a few weeks. Thank you LS Editors… happy days!

396759 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #682 of 1877 🔗

Much better isn’t it.

396767 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to leggy, 9, #683 of 1877 🔗

Shows they do pay attention to BTLers. We ALL complained en masse yesterday. This forum is a shining beacon of democracy in an increasingly authoritarian world!

396781 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #684 of 1877 🔗

i bet you also owe thanks to the rabble rousers btl.

396752 Sarigan (Day 318 of lockdown), 9, #685 of 1877 🔗

Vernon Coleman mentioned his friend Dr Colin Barron in the latest video. His videos are available here if any one is interested:


396755 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 25, #686 of 1877 🔗

Starting to see various reports that “we have to vaccinate the kids now”.
This was the plan all along i think. Utter scum.

396763 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to nickbowes, 29, #687 of 1877 🔗

ANYONE vaccinating a child when the human trials do not end until January 2023 is committing a heinous crime. Children CANNOT give informed consent to be included in a human trial of an experimental drug. END OF!

397054 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #688 of 1877 🔗

Also, as we know from International Data and WHO that children and young people are at no risk at all of contracting this virus, flu or similar unless they have underlying conditions. I don’t have children but like Ganjan21 says, if they tried the would be vaxxers would be in hospital for a very long time.

397579 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #689 of 1877 🔗

I will fight it every step of the way

396779 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 10, #690 of 1877 🔗

Anyone who tried to come near my children with the damn vaccine will have the needle shoved up their sphincter.

396797 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 15, #691 of 1877 🔗

The target is, and always has been, to vaccinate the entire global population with multiple mandatory shots every year in perpetuity. The ultimate goal is Human 2.0.

396883 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richard O, 1, #692 of 1877 🔗

Human 1.0 will survive this

396906 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 1, #693 of 1877 🔗

A global control matrix seems to be goal 1A, hence all the screeching about vax passes.

396864 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to nickbowes, 3, #694 of 1877 🔗

Any decent parent should say absolutely not.

396872 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to nickbowes, #695 of 1877 🔗

Nothing new on the vaccine front:

“An Honest Look at the Historical Evidence that Vaccines Eliminated Diseases”


396756 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 7, #696 of 1877 🔗

Angela Merkel speakibg at Davos 2020:

In her speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Chancellor Angela Merkel announced “transformations of gigantic, historic proportions”. “The entire way of doing business and life, as we have got used to it, we will leave in the next 30 years”,

via Google Tranlate

396774 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 13, #697 of 1877 🔗

Putin thinks this is all rubbish and will end in tears. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPClu1BeQIE

396803 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #698 of 1877 🔗

I never thought I’d be a fan of someone like Putin, but he’s more rational than most of the Western leaders.

396807 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to redbirdpete, 13, #699 of 1877 🔗

Yes – I agree with Putin, I think it will.

In my opinion the whole thing is designed to try and control the implosion of the financial system – it will fail at that too.

Russia is relatively insulated, with little debt and lots of gold.

Grandiose programs fail to account of the real world, and always end in tears.

396837 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to rockoman, 3, #700 of 1877 🔗

Limits are here; limits to debt and limits to cheap fossil fuel and many natural resources. Scam-19 is part of the cover up, as you say many are trying to halt the car on it’s way over the cliff. Russia won’t be spared but they do have more oil than most and a lot of land to grow food.

396850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 2, #701 of 1877 🔗


you seem to think then that this whole affair has to with declining energy return on energy invested.

Am I right?

Care to expand?

The thought has flitted through my mind occasionally.

396903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 2, #702 of 1877 🔗

I believe oil extraction is the best example of declining energy return on energy invested (EROEI).

Look at the earliest days of oil extraction versus today’s fracking and tar sands extraction techniques.

396926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, 2, #703 of 1877 🔗

Yes – this line of discussin certainly explains a great deal.

396937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to rockoman, 1, #704 of 1877 🔗


you seem to think then that this whole affair has to with declining energy return on energy invested.

Am I right?

Care to expand?”

Instead of me explaining, take a look at “Our Finite World”, the brilliant blog of Gail Tverberg:


396891 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to rockoman, 3, #705 of 1877 🔗

End in tears for the masses, end in profit the one at the top! Never forget!

396810 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #706 of 1877 🔗

The West is fast becoming a new Soviet Union.

396844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Londo Mollari, 23, #707 of 1877 🔗

As someone born in the USSR I am beginning to see some similarities. What I am really frightened of is a 1990’s Russian style economic collapse, except most Russians were just given their flats and houses in 1992. 40% of Britons have a mortgage (30% own outright and 30% rent) – the coming repossessions spike would be horrific, together with mass unemployment and loss of hope.

I think that the UK is now sleepwalking into disaster, cushioned by the eiderdown of furlough . When that ends the manure will really hit the air conditioning system

396848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #708 of 1877 🔗

Not really sleepwalking, more like charging towards on purpose.

396895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ eptwll, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #709 of 1877 🔗

The rip in the fabric of society here in Ireland reminds me of early 1990s former USSR as well – I was living/working there from 1990 to 1994.

397048 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Aslangeo, #710 of 1877 🔗

Big time!

397573 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, #711 of 1877 🔗

believe me, it’s going to be far worse than that.

396888 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #712 of 1877 🔗

Which Western leader? Name one – all of them are just full of carp!

397043 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #713 of 1877 🔗

I have always been a huge fan of Putin he talks the utmost sense and is a rational, sane human being. The CIA apparently hate him as he is incorruptible (they have done extensive digging apparently and found nothing to use as leverage against him). I agree with Putin it’s all pie in the sky thinking which will collapse and here, in the UK, with a seriously incompetent, wannabee Totatalitarian Dictatorship Government, we will simply end up with a bankrupt nation, a 2nd world country, extreme poverty and the most expensive standard of living in the world. He took Davos by surprise with his speech. He used it well!

397120 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 3, #714 of 1877 🔗

Angela Merkel can get fucked

396764 captainbeefheart, 11, #715 of 1877 🔗

Don’t worry about the coming economic collapse, us self-employed people will just pay for everything.

Please carry on flicking yourselves off to the Jeremy Vine show.


396768 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 22, #716 of 1877 🔗

Maybe we should just get people to stop pretending there’s a lockdown. The lockdown is the wand waved over all those stupid graphs, behold the magix of falling cases all hail lockdown! There’s mass mental torture for sure, but there ain’t no lockdown. Schools ARE open in a discriminatory fashion, shops and businesses ARE open in a discriminatory fashion, people ARE meeting up in an any way they personally deem safe fashion, the roads are busy, the outdoor spaces ditto. Hospitals and care homes are the least safe places to be and everyone knows it. Lockdown is a mirage, why on earth do we argue so hard about it? This is not to belittle the kids stuck at home or the businesses that have been ruined or the healthcare missed. It’s bloody awful. And I certainly don’t want to encourage harder lockdowns by pointing this out, God forbid. I’m just asking is there a way of reframing the narrative? Or is it too late for that (we needed a Tegnell from the start premise)? I increasingly notice Whitty’s disclaimer at the end of his doom laden updates, the “that’s a policy decision” disclaimer. He’s certainly getting his ducks in a row for the enquiry to come.

396773 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #717 of 1877 🔗

I kinda like this! Lead by example. Show people they STILL have choice. Empower them. It’s “your choice” to be locked up… choose freedom!

396819 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #718 of 1877 🔗

Not 100% sure I have understood the point but yes the lockdown we have is clearly not doing much if anything to contain spread, because by necessity lots are people are going out and doing stuff – as someone pointed out here a while back, Wuhan had a “proper” lockdown because it was one region in a huge country and they brought people in from outside to keep stuff going and deliver food. A national lockdown isn’t really a lockdown in disease prevention terms, all it does is fuck the country up, and people’s lives

Worst of both worlds – well done SAGE and Govt!

396831 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Julian, 3, #719 of 1877 🔗

What is the point of vaccine passport if the vaccine does not stop transmission?

396855 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to BJJ, 7, #720 of 1877 🔗

Absolutely none at all. Perhaps it’s being put out there as an idea to try and increase the uptake and many are falling for it thinking if they don’t have it they can’t go to a football match or to Spain for 2 weeks etc. I am not saying that it won’t happen, for a while at least, but personally I would rather stay as healthy as I can than take the chance of being too sick or worse to even travel or do anything.

397001 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Suzyv, #721 of 1877 🔗

The EU produced a paper (available on the internet) about vaccine passports, discussed on here many times previously to be implemented starting 2021. Whether any vaccine is useful is irrelevant. Someone correct me if I am wrong but the paper was dated 2018?

I can see the UK from being blocked for any travel in EU, so we must have a vaccine passport who maybe the EU would drop in the little quote of “rejoin the EU and we will open up for travelling”.

397117 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cumbriacracked, #722 of 1877 🔗

The EU is toast anyway, so who cares

396857 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to BJJ, 4, #723 of 1877 🔗

Belated reply from SAGA to my e-mail asking about about the legality of their policy under the European Convention on Human Rights or other legal bans on forced medical intervention:

‘With the start of the roll-out of the COVID-19 vaccine, we have once more reviewed our health and safety procedures to ensure we are providing the safest possible holiday experience.

I am sorry to note your concern and would like to assure you that we have made this decision having spoken with our guests, the majority of whom fall into the governments at risk age group. The health and safety of our guests is of the utmost importance to us and we will continue to review and update our protocols as needed to ensure this.’

Translation I think: we only want deluded guests who believe that the magic jab immunises you. Others can f*** off.


Change to another insurer, as I did anyway in 2020 because they were penalising existing customers.

396873 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to John001, 1, #724 of 1877 🔗

It’s not legal. I find it incredible that these companies are considering this move!

396902 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to BJJ, 3, #725 of 1877 🔗


396843 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Julian, 3, #726 of 1877 🔗

I think it came across a bit scrambled. I guess my point is if the lockdown magic believers are saying “but look! Cases fell perfectly in line with lockdown!” The rebuff is a simple one; there is no lockdown. Cases fell anyway. I’m going to take this line with anyone who repeats the mantra to me and watch their confusion. I’m fed up trying to explain my position when they don’t have to explain theirs.

396863 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #727 of 1877 🔗

Understood and yes I agree – a good argument

397026 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Julian, 1, #728 of 1877 🔗

People are going out to be in again, either a shop or other setting. That is why the winter shutdowns are far more stupid than what was done last spring. Much of the transmission is not person to person but lingering virus in indoor settings. Maybe even a majority, nobody will tell us.

397040 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #729 of 1877 🔗

Quite, and a month or so ago, we were all DISOBEYING the rules and it was not TOUGH ENOUGH and would not DEFEAT THE VIRUS especially with the appalling new Kent variant… until suddenly, magically, they’ve decided that lockdown has in fact caused the recent fall in cases.

397141 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #730 of 1877 🔗

YES! That’s even better. It’s yet another example of double-speak. We are both rule breaking scum causing an explosion in cases, and lockdown poster children with our efforts reaping case tumbling rewards.

396776 leggy, replying to leggy, 23, #731 of 1877 🔗

Interesting statement.

396893 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to leggy, 2, #732 of 1877 🔗

This is good to hear!

If party politics still exists at least we have an alternative.

396969 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHUNTZ, #733 of 1877 🔗

Same old shit. Different colour.

That’s the choice.

397028 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 2, #734 of 1877 🔗

Glad a political party is challenging this concept

396783 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 26, #735 of 1877 🔗


“China’s strategy, from the start, was to have no infections at all… Still in Beijing, where we have hardly any cases, every time you step outside your door you have to use a smartphone to scan a QR code — every shop, every taxi, every bus, every metro station. You have no privacy at all — it’s all built around this electronic system of contact tracing. To leave Beijing you have to have a Covid test, to come back in you have to have a Covid test…. We basically don’t have the virus here, but the flip side is that they are keeping this place locked down as tight as a drum… It’s very hard to know where Covid containment starts and a Communist police state with an obsession with control kicks in.”
Surely that is the most powerful objection to the approach: that in reality it would require a long-term illiberal regime to achieve and maintain it. ZeroCovid is a totalitarian aim, best delivered by a totalitarian state.

396799 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 8, #736 of 1877 🔗

Seems obvious, doesn’t it?

396825 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 4, #737 of 1877 🔗

Forget the intrusive surveillance. Natural herd immunity and HCQ-type interventions should the the modus operandi.

396880 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #738 of 1877 🔗

ZeroCovid is a totalitarian aim, best delivered by a totalitarian state.

That … might be the point.

396899 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, #739 of 1877 🔗

If Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott think something is a good idea, it isn’t. Nothing more or less needs to be said about Zero Covid.

396964 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 1, #740 of 1877 🔗

Your list highlights your biased petticoat is showing. This crosses traditional left/right boundaries, and a parallel list of Starmerites and Johnsonites (much the same thing) would be easy to come up with.

396986 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 2, #741 of 1877 🔗

dont think it is a party political thing.. Abbot is an idiot as she proves all the time and i would also go the other way if she said something was good . Corbyn slightly less so.. But i agree there are idiots on all sides.

and “biased petticoat” is a change from “hobby horse”

396994 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, 1, #742 of 1877 🔗

Diane Abacus couldn’t quantify zero if she wanted

397031 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Crystal Decanter, #743 of 1877 🔗

Neither could Witty Valance Hancock and others in this Government. The errant dictator knight Stalin Starmer and most of his right wing labour MPs believe in zero covid. Why single out Corbyn and Abbot?

397109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Dominich, #744 of 1877 🔗

Because they were referenced in the article Swedenborg posted….

397373 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to swedenborg, #745 of 1877 🔗

Rather chilling, that Unherd piece.

396785 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 35, #746 of 1877 🔗

Husband is a solicitor and just spoke to a client currently in Italy. The country is divided into zones, red (substantial restrictions), orange (some), green (everything open but takeaway after 6pm). There are NO red zones and only two orange in the entire country. Everything else green, bars, restaurants all open, drinking outside after 6pm. Masks and SD all on a very casual basis.

Just a bit of intel, make of it what you will 🙂

396811 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Still Got It, 8, #747 of 1877 🔗

Well it’s more open than here but I think there are still many restrictions, nothing like normal, and they have outdoor masking, and mask exemptions indoors not really accepted

Seems like they will be more pragmatic as they are more broke than we are, but outdoor masking will likely continue forever, as it will wherever it has been brought in

I think masks will be with us forever, after all other restrictions are lifted. Ditto track & trace, testing

396849 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Julian, 4, #748 of 1877 🔗

More freedom is better than less freedom …

396860 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to norwegian, 7, #749 of 1877 🔗

Personally outdoor masking with no exemptions is worse than pubs being shut

I guess we all have our priorities

396866 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Julian, -1, #750 of 1877 🔗

Please don’t spend time interpreting what you read the worst way …

396927 ▶▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Julian, 7, #751 of 1877 🔗

Outdoor masking? No way ever, ever, ever.

397278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 3, #752 of 1877 🔗

Never in any circumstances. They can just fuck off.

396812 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Still Got It, 1, #753 of 1877 🔗

Quite different from the island diktatur known as the UK …

396794 Will, replying to Will, 14, #754 of 1877 🔗

Quick question for the scientists, could the “proof” of a lack of transmission actually be the virus burning itself out because it has run out of hosts because of herd immunity? If that isn’t the case how would they prove it?

396802 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Will, 3, #755 of 1877 🔗

I said this yesterday, are things like less transmission and less ‘infections’ (less positive PCR tests maybe) amongst the newly vaccinated not also true of the un vaccinated. are the vaccines taking credit for the natural decline in the desease?

396808 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 11, #756 of 1877 🔗

Since the decline seems to be going at the same rate in countries regardless of vaccine status, it seems clear that the virus is doing what viruses do, and the unproven vaccines as well as the lockdown measures in general have little to do with it – except of course you can increase your fatality rate by deliberately exposing the most vulnerable in care homes to infected people.

396822 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Will, 2, #757 of 1877 🔗

Come on Will, you really shouldn’t be stating the “Bleedin obvious”.

396832 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Will, 2, #758 of 1877 🔗

They’d prove it by comparing with current age-adjusted figures for transmission in a control group (i.e. non vaccinated people), so this shouldn’t be an issue (unless people are abusing the data of course).

397027 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Will, 1, #759 of 1877 🔗

Come come Will, that would be proper science wouldn’t it and the truth. Can’t have that now an we?

396809 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #760 of 1877 🔗

Lockdown disaster (US)


396821 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to PastImperfect, #761 of 1877 🔗

Where is this?

397880 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to norwegian, #762 of 1877 🔗
396815 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #763 of 1877 🔗

It appears that those who clapped for Capt Tom last night were White Supremacists.

396841 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #764 of 1877 🔗

Virtue Warsᵀᴹ

396846 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Smelly Melly, #765 of 1877 🔗

Please expand …

397011 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to norwegian, 2, #766 of 1877 🔗

Some vicar with a high melanin count said that people who clapped were British Nationalists.

396833 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 26, #767 of 1877 🔗

My 84 year old Aunty has been taken to A&E this morning.

I am convince she had the Rona about this time last year. Felt a bit crap but she got better.

Well she is post jab (Pfizer) for 2.5 weeks now. She has been fine all year and now as my mum put it:
“she has been ill since Monday evening with diarrhoea and sickness which seems to have stopped but she also has a severe pain just below her rib and above her hip bone”

This is a worry and I am particularly concerned that my folks have been jabbed 4 days ago so I hope they don’t go INTO a hospital to see her or have any contact with her.

Worrying times.

396845 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Two-Six, #768 of 1877 🔗

Sorry about your aunt but why on earth did you get the vaccine?!

396852 ▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to norwegian, 6, #769 of 1877 🔗

He doesn’t say he has. Just his aunt and parents.

396868 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to peterthepainter, 7, #770 of 1877 🔗

Sorry, my bad.

396894 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to norwegian, 8, #771 of 1877 🔗

Meeeee? The Vaccine!

396954 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #772 of 1877 🔗

Sorry, I will go out and harass people who have succumbed to the needle as punishment.

396949 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 2, #773 of 1877 🔗

Well, following the 28-day criterion, it’s obviously a vaccine illness. 🙂

397030 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, #774 of 1877 🔗


397205 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, #775 of 1877 🔗

That does not sound vaccine related.

396834 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 50, #776 of 1877 🔗

The guy that called shitty a liar on video should be made a national hero, now if I came across shitty in the street I’m afraid being called a liar would be the least of his worries…

396854 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #777 of 1877 🔗

He was 15. I think Whitty’s rebuke last night at the press conference was highly inappropriate.

396862 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #778 of 1877 🔗

Was 15? Has he been executed?

396955 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to norwegian, 2, #779 of 1877 🔗

The plot thickens.

396875 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #780 of 1877 🔗

What did he say?

396876 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #781 of 1877 🔗

What did he say?

396936 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 9, #782 of 1877 🔗

Oh dear. I am going to get rebuked too.

DM moderating not quite up to scratch this time.

397209 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #783 of 1877 🔗

Nice to see so many likes for your comment too!

396996 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #784 of 1877 🔗

out of the mouths of babes…..

396865 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #785 of 1877 🔗

Why on earth should any teenager give a dingos kidney about a Granny killing virus?
Give that lad a medal

396890 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #786 of 1877 🔗

“dingos kidney”

Now there’s a hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is.

396907 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #787 of 1877 🔗

And a knighthood .

396942 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #788 of 1877 🔗

Pan galactic gargleblaster cheer!

396878 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #789 of 1877 🔗

Why has no-one else in the past year been able to corner one of these ministers and asked them a sincere, thoughtful and insightful question?
No instead, we get this.

Am calling bullshit on that video.

396913 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Templeton, 2, #790 of 1877 🔗

Dumb grown ups don’t ask sincere, thoughtful and insightful questions …

396935 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to norwegian, 1, #791 of 1877 🔗

Noted, but to have some chav kid be “the one” that gets all the attention does that not ring bells for you?

396946 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Templeton, 2, #792 of 1877 🔗

One bell: Not politically correct.

396948 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Templeton, 2, #793 of 1877 🔗

I don’t belive in much these days so don’t worry …

397134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to norwegian, #794 of 1877 🔗

Im really trying, but agree its hard to right now

396943 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #795 of 1877 🔗

Get him a statue!

396853 Daily Expose, 3, #796 of 1877 🔗

The devastating effects of lockdown on children – Depression – Self Harm – Suicide…

396859 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 34, #797 of 1877 🔗

Whitty is whining on about the virus being here for years, “this will not disappear”, what will not disappear, elderly people dying from something they now call covid and not pneumonia. It really is disgraceful what the ‘scientists’ with mega money backing are getting away with now.

396874 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to DanClarke, 11, #798 of 1877 🔗

Let’s start living with the virus from today!

396945 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheClone, 1, #799 of 1877 🔗

Indeed. Only 9 months late.

396879 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 6, #800 of 1877 🔗

Well, they have such an iron grip on the media megaphone that they can simply make things up and have them accepted as gospel.

397015 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to awildgoose, 4, #801 of 1877 🔗

So, good for Rishi Sunak to have leaked his concerns!

396908 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to DanClarke, 9, #802 of 1877 🔗

Yeah, it’s a virus – even us non-scientists know that they don’t just disappear and were telling them that last March. Why the fuck has he only just realised?

396977 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to DanClarke, 2, #803 of 1877 🔗

I have some news for Whitty and Co…. Every day, more than 800 million viruses are deposited per square meter above the planetary boundary layer — that’s 25 viruses for each person in Canada,” study co-author Curtis Suttle, a virologist and professor with the Institute for the Oceans and Fisheries at the University of British Columbia.

Luckily, a lot of these end up in the Oceans, but what about the food chain you ask..

397012 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 1, #804 of 1877 🔗

Well, I guess it will be just like the flu and common cold then, it will be here intermittently in the winter season and spells of cold weather. Nothing to panic about there then.

397185 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DanClarke, 3, #805 of 1877 🔗

And he doesn’t want it to disappear. Fuck off, Fuck Whitty.

396877 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #806 of 1877 🔗

There might be over 4,000 mutant strains.

396884 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #807 of 1877 🔗

Only 4000?

396889 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to norwegian, 6, #808 of 1877 🔗

Well, that was 10 minutes ago.

396905 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #809 of 1877 🔗


396930 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #810 of 1877 🔗

70 million?……..we are all ‘mutated’

397243 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Luckyharry69, #811 of 1877 🔗

I’ve just read that the human body contains over 380 trillion viruses but none of them give us any trouble- boggled my mind!

396881 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 13, #812 of 1877 🔗

According to the Bullshit Broadcasting Cabal on Radio four’s bullshit at One propaganda broadcast….
“The UK has passed the peak of the pandemic” The leading story. Pressure from back benchers is pushing for schools to be open sooner.

This makes a change.

396892 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 20, #813 of 1877 🔗

Blah blah blah blah vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine.

Lying mother fuckers. Don’t trust a word.

396983 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 2, #814 of 1877 🔗

I hope your mum is feeling better

397016 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #815 of 1877 🔗

Thanks, she was discharged yesterday having made a very good recovery and avoiding pretty much all the Covid bullshit. Massive relief.

397029 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 3, #816 of 1877 🔗

Wow, I had no idea we were past the peak, couldn’t see it in any of the data before now could you, I’m so grateful that they’ve let us know.

396897 jos, replying to jos, 12, #817 of 1877 🔗

Keir Starmer: ‘Make sure that this lockdown is the last’ – He means make it last forever. Like Nicola Sturgeon, he’s trilateral commission, anti democratic and wants to end our freedom – don’t trust him!

397217 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, #818 of 1877 🔗

Apart from a 3 week break in December here in Essex we have had lockdown since November

396898 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #819 of 1877 🔗

Do FS’s think that the sheep who queue in the cold and wet weather to be tested get their IQ’s tested at the same time?

396910 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #820 of 1877 🔗

They will have to use a pretty cycle count to detect any intelligence amongst the sheeple in their tests.45+ cycles should yield results.

If they keep testing they might find a bit here and there.

396922 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Two-Six, 16, #821 of 1877 🔗

During the past year we have become all too aware how many ‘intelligent people’ turned out to be false positives.

396909 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 29, #822 of 1877 🔗

Am I missing something? They are still, very openly, fucking about with doses, timings, mix-and-match. And the vast majority still retain overwhelming faith in what is being administered. Very, very odd goings on.

396915 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #823 of 1877 🔗

Ah, yes, the vast majority – what a dispiriting lot!

396918 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #824 of 1877 🔗

Yep, dumb overdose.

396925 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to norwegian, 2, #825 of 1877 🔗

Come all ye numskulls …

396931 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #826 of 1877 🔗

they are maybe worried about how many more of the over 80s the 2nd Pfizer jab will kill off

396932 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #827 of 1877 🔗

You’ll find that evidence will soon be invented to show that two different doses are more effective than two of the same type .

397000 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 12, #828 of 1877 🔗

I know you are right on this because it’s been part of the narrative since the vaccine propaganda started. We must have the most corrupt, evil, arrogant, self-serving Government in the world. It goes to show they don’t give a damn about vaccine related deaths and the disturbing numbers of them or the thousands of ADRs being report, serious ones at that. They care nothing, absolutely nothing about the citizens of this country, whether they live or die or end up with serious long term disabilities. As long as they get their money and millions it’s o.k. A responsible Government would be seriously looking at all this and making decisions as to whether these human trials should actually be suspended. Whether people on here agree or disagree with the EU, what they said was right that they are concerned the British Government are rushing through disregarding all the risk factors and evidence. It needs someone to take this to court such as the Good Law Project.

397125 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #829 of 1877 🔗

Yes,just like they found the evidence that waiting for 3 months for the second dose works a treat too

397234 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #830 of 1877 🔗

I’ve just been told that very thing by someone who heard it on the news.

396933 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #831 of 1877 🔗

Some doctor who is ‘organising’ the mix and match trials was on Jeremy Vine R2 show today. I have to say she seemed very uncertain about the basic details of vaccines in general. But she was putting out a plea for volunteers to participate. Her tactic was to say that ‘we are confident that mixing and matching won’t present any problems but we want to confirm the effectiveness by trying different combinations and some with three weeks delay between doses, some with 12 weeks delay’. It struck me immediately as out of order to seed in the minds of potential participants (ie guinea pigs) the idea that it was all expected to be fine but we are just going through the motions. ‘Jeremy’, of course, didn’t ask her why this wasn’t being trialed on animals first.

396967 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #832 of 1877 🔗

There’s a Youtube video by ZDoggMD on the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in which he’s fairly complimentary:

one dose only
doesn’t need -70 degC
resistance to infection seems to improve over time
fewer side-effects than the mRNA ones.

He said it finishes its first phase of testing this month. I didn’t follow all the nuances; I’m a mere scientist, not a medic. His comments might be useful to those who do want a vaccine, just a less risky one.

396970 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #833 of 1877 🔗

This is insanity. All ethics out the window

396990 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #834 of 1877 🔗


397008 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #835 of 1877 🔗

This really is human experiments Mengele style isn’t it. That Vine wasn’t even appalled just at the thought of what this Dr was saying says it all. The narrative must go on, the human trials must go on and the British citizens can go f**k themselves dead or alive.

These broadcasters and MSM journalists are a disgrace to humanity.

396985 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #836 of 1877 🔗

Got to use up all those doses Wancock purchased somehow.

396988 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #837 of 1877 🔗

Yep. Where I live I have just come back in from a long walk and seen one of the Tenants wheeled off to hospital. They had the jab at 3.30pm yesterday afternoon. Says quite a lot I think!

397002 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #838 of 1877 🔗

I guess it is at least consistent – given that the vaccine rollout is the biggest vaccine trial in history, you might as well check out whatever takes your fancy by messing around with all sorts of variables

397176 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #839 of 1877 🔗

It’s fucking unreal. We’re more or less being told in the news every day that this massive rollout is part of the clinical trials and people still can’t put 2 and 2 together.

397280 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #840 of 1877 🔗

Very odd indeed. If I could draw I would produce a picture of a man/woman in front of a pick and mix counter saying ” I’ll have 2 pfizers, 1 Zeneca, a sputnik and a sherbert dab please”

396916 stevie, replying to stevie, 2, #841 of 1877 🔗

Sorry BBC and Captain Tom – where the money was put to good use https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52758683 . Back in May, I spoke to NHS staff about how the money was helping.
This article was originally run on 25 May 2020.

396921 ▶▶ iane, replying to stevie, 7, #842 of 1877 🔗

Quite so, free grub for the already mostly over-weight and often obese NHS staff!

396944 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to iane, #843 of 1877 🔗

This is a factual coment not conjecture. The NHS workforce have a huge weight problem – connected to mental health and working conditions?

396960 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Basics, 8, #844 of 1877 🔗

Absolutely nothing to do with working conditions. When I worked in the NHS I ate healthy food I cooked at home and ignored the copious amounts of chocolates and biscuits which were available each shift. I also engaged in activities and still do which helped me keep fit.

397427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to fiery, 1, #845 of 1877 🔗

You don’t think team meetings stuffed full of middle managers and clerks in a peking order is good for mental health do you.

Lace that bureaucracy with politics and common purpose. You have one sick environment – even more so if you are a good soul wanting good patient care.

397435 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to fiery, 1, #846 of 1877 🔗

Biscuits and chocolates available on every shift. Yeah like i said working conditions.

You made wise choices. Take a negative mental health pattern into that same space apply workload pressure. Outcome?

397077 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 1, #847 of 1877 🔗

and cake

396947 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to iane, 7, #848 of 1877 🔗

Yes obesity among NHS staff is an overlooked and mostly ignored problem. The money would have been better spent on gym membership and advice about weight management.

397013 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to iane, 8, #849 of 1877 🔗

Free grub for people with a job and income for life.

No grub for people who have lost their jobs and income under the guise of saving the NHS.

In LD1 my local vaping shop had discounts for NHS staff. Because yeah, right, it’s ESSENTIAL for doctors and nurses to get a good vape in after a hard day’s work, and they can’t possibly be expected to pay full price for it.

Personally I think working for the NHS would be sh*t, so I do have a modicum of sympathy, but that’s exactly why I didn’t choose to do it.

397066 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #850 of 1877 🔗

Besides of course, being completely underwhelmed.

396923 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stevie, 9, #851 of 1877 🔗

Ahem … surely some of those pictured could do with a few less ‘snacks’. And if you are still being paid, why the hell can’t you buy your own food to bloody well binge on.

396934 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stevie, 7, #852 of 1877 🔗

Criminal use of funds, foot massages, free coke and microwave meals!

396981 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 2, #853 of 1877 🔗

It is truly scandalous not just criminal.

396952 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stevie, 1, #854 of 1877 🔗

Indeed, WuFlu is quite a racket.

396975 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stevie, 2, #855 of 1877 🔗

Maybe it’s me, but that “wellbeing wing” looks like my idea of Hell.

397022 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #856 of 1877 🔗

How do they have space for a wellbeing wing? I thought patients were literally exploding out of hospital wards, there are so many of them?

396928 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 7, #857 of 1877 🔗

A number of people here posted a link to the deeply moving video by Dr Vernon Coleman regarding vaccine deaths yesterday. I sent the link to a couple of neighbours who are mostly on board lockdown scepticism, but naturally enough, one of them did a web search of the doctor’s name and the first thing he read was an article in The Sun saying that he was an “AIDS denier” a number of years ago during that crisis. I told his wife this was probably a typical attempt to blacken his name by the MSM, but I wonder if anyone here can confirm that – or otherwise?

396939 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Melangell, 6, #858 of 1877 🔗

A lot of people dispute the hysteria around AIDS. Without reading the article I suspect the media are conflating scepticism with denial.

If that’s enough to discredit his opinion in your neighbours mind I wouldn’t bother worrying about them.

396941 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #859 of 1877 🔗

Thanks – but I think it’s important to track down the truth of the matter in the interest of educating others.

396953 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #860 of 1877 🔗

Find out for yourself. VC has a whole website detailing his views. If your friend is citing a Sun article, knowing they regularly run smear campaigns, what does he know exactly about VCs views on aids.

If they want to focus on defaming a man based on his views unrelated to the topic being discussed, surely they know what he actually says about Aids? Place the burden of proof on them. Is he saying it doesn’t exist? Is he saying it was hyped up and the common understanding of the syndrome is flawed perhaps? I don’t know the answer but why are you having yo do all this side work anyway?

Character assassination is a logical fallacy.

396951 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Melangell, 11, #861 of 1877 🔗

I am not sure exactly but I think Coleman disputes the assertion that the HIV virus causes AIDS, as do many others.

Amongst them was PCR inventor and Nobel prize winner Kary Mullis.

There’s a video where Mullis recounts buttonholing Luc Montagnier about this, but Montagnier basically just refused to answer.

396958 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 4, #862 of 1877 🔗

There are Doctors who affirm that AIDS (not HIV) is a lifestyle disease brought on by immune system shattering recreation drugs (the gays) and severe malnutrition (3rd world)
I have no idea if it is true or not but it kind of makes sense when you stop and think about how bizarre the HIV virus acts

396973 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #863 of 1877 🔗

I am not remotely qualified to comment on the subject but it has always struck me as bizarre that AIDS almost exclusively affected gay men and intravenous drug users in the West as against the general population, male and female, in Africa.

396962 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Melangell, 31, #864 of 1877 🔗

He is not an “AIDS denier” – he and many other doctors questioned the existence and prevalence of the HIV virus and asked if there were any other possible causes of the immune system shutting down (which is what AIDS basically is)… it is EXACTLY what is going on here. Anyone questioning the narrative is a “vile covid denier”! Interested parties (power-seeking governments, multinationals, tech, pharma) shut down critical thought and debate to feed their own aims. They are a powerful force and can instantly squash trouble makers like Vernon and Judy and the doctor who found a very plausible link between autism and the MMR jab. These organisations have HUGE propaganda machines. Always have. Why do you think “anti-vaxxers” have been vilified? The closer someone starts to get to the truth, the more they slam them. Also see when the words “conspiracy theorist” were first coined in a NEGATIVE context. When people started to question whether JFK’s murder was an inside job. People who question are a nuisance for powers who want control. Go look up ALL the harrowing stories of parents who say, “my child was never the same after their MMR jab.” SILENCED.

The human heart always recognises truth. How did Wancock’s TV tears affect you? They made me feel VERY uncomfortable. Whereas, when Vernon broke down, I couldn’t contain my grief… I sobbed and sobbed. He’s telling the absolute truth… he’s been doing it for years. He doesn’t care. He has nothing more to lose. He just wants people to be treated with honesty and respect. A good man. A humble soul. I hope humanity remembers HIM as the true hero of our time.

396976 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #865 of 1877 🔗

Interesting the way this ‘denier’ suffix has spread as a means of denoting somebody who questions established opinion. It is quasi-religious in seeking to mark someone as a heretic.

397124 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to rockoman, 3, #866 of 1877 🔗

On or two of these might work::

“Freedom Denier”
“Childhood Denier”
“Livelihood Denier”
“Future Denier”
“Reality Denier”
“Ethics Denier”
“Empathy Denier”

397290 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to PastImperfect, #867 of 1877 🔗

Yes… I heard “Lockdown Death Denier” and “Vaccine Death Denier” recently!

397064 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #868 of 1877 🔗

Spot on. Exactly the same story; HIV causing AIDS: SARS2 causing covid19. AIDS was breakdown of immune system and affected entirely different groups of people wordwide with varying symptoms. To this day HIV has not been isolated.
Covid19 a ‘disease’ with symptoms that now cover the entire range of possible symptoms of any respiratory disease, that basically causes immune system to kill the host. SARS2 has not been isolated.
We have a computer generated sequence ‘tested’ by a technique that is not fit for purpose for a non isolated virus which is supposed to cause a respiratory disease with such wide symptoms that cover influenza completely. And influenza has fallen to zero at the same time. You can join the dots.

397065 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #869 of 1877 🔗

A huge thank you for that post.

396972 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Melangell, 14, #870 of 1877 🔗

AIDS denier? What does that mean now? If this debacle has sent you down the rabbit hole on the whole AIDS saga (including about three or four articles on *this* site) then you’ll know that there are a lot of problems with the AIDS narrative, including if the virus causes AIDS or is a symptom of AIDS and how humans were used as experiments when they ran around looking for “cures” (money making opportunities).

See this open letter to Dr. Fauci for all the greed, corruption, disgusting opportunism in the Aids pandemic. Not only the same playbook as now, but the same players!

Coleman doesn’t hav to be your cup of tea, but we should not dismiss people on the grounds of them spoken other unorthodoxies and been smeared as quacks. Those are pernicious silencing tactics fit for a totalitarian regime.

397060 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to janejakobs, 2, #871 of 1877 🔗

See Judy Mikovits for the original dirt on the HIV/Aids travesty.

396978 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Melangell, 1, #872 of 1877 🔗

I believe even wikipedia have branded him an anti-vax, aids denying conspiracy theorist.

396998 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #873 of 1877 🔗

“Even Wikipedia” LOL – Wikipedia is a bastion of a certain strand of thinking – check out the page of any vaguely right-wing/conservative person and you’ll find every single piece of “dirt” about them

396995 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Melangell, 5, #874 of 1877 🔗

I suppose someone’s views on something related are vaguely relevant but it’s part of a general trend whereby if someone expresses views you don’t like/think are wrong/dangerous, rather than engage in argument to refute those views you attack the person holding them with whatever “dirt” you can find on them

It’s an indication of them knowing their argument is weak

397006 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Melangell, 4, #875 of 1877 🔗

If he was sceptical that HIV would become airborne and kill a large majority of the population within a decade or two, as I believe the 1980s equivalent of SAGE wanted people to believe, then he was right to be a “denier”.

397070 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #876 of 1877 🔗

Yes, Dr Mikovits I believe also has experience in this field going back to the 1980’s, and pointed out that in the 80’s-90’s, the WHO were proclaiming that a large chunk of the entire planet would be afflicted with the HIV virus before the year 2000..

397017 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Melangell, 4, #877 of 1877 🔗

Thanks everyone for input on this subject. I went to Coleman’s website and he makes a good case for his views on AIDS that differ from the mainstream narrative: https://www.vernoncoleman.com/aids.htm Really interesting stuff which will be forwarded to my friend and neighbour. Won’t post any of it here as off-piste.

397021 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Melangell, 1, #878 of 1877 🔗

Glad you’re asking questions!

397032 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to janejakobs, 2, #879 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I continually question governmental pronouncements and always have done. Just looking for evidence to pass on in this case.

397084 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Melangell, 1, #880 of 1877 🔗

There was a new and brilliant film released recently on the life of the world’s greatest-ever figure skater, our own John Curry. Curry died, as is well known, of AIDS. There is no doubt that AIDS existed and exists. The idea however that it is caused by a virus (HIV) is laughable. Questioning the causative nature of the HIV does not make you an “AIDS denier” – it makes you a very intelligent person indeed.

397179 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Melangell, 2, #881 of 1877 🔗

He’s not an AIDS denier. He simply pointed out that the idea everyone was going to get AIDS was absurd as it could only be spread by direct transfer of bodily fluids. (that is you needed a direct transfer of infected fluid into an open wound or similar on the transferee) Sadly sexual intercourse quite often creates tiny wounds that facilitate the process. Of course a blood transfusion was an excellent way to kill people under the circumstances, as practiced by ‘our NHS’.

397218 ▶▶ jos, replying to Melangell, #882 of 1877 🔗

There is evidence that while HIV undoubtedly existed the treatment in the 80s was what led to the horrific deaths as it was toxic. I can’t give a link but it isn’t hard to find. And just to add the people who say uptake refusal of the covid vaccines is based on a conspiracy should look at the massive payout for adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine which resulted in paralysis and narcolepsy in children – so caution seems prudent before we roll up our sleeves for anything.

396940 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #884 of 1877 🔗

Anyone know if we still have representative in Parliament, mine doesn’t reply, are they just ignoring everyone now?

396950 ▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 15, #885 of 1877 🔗

Parliament was effectively neutered on 23rd March 2020

397182 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to isobar, 2, #886 of 1877 🔗

We’re in the middle of a coup and have been taken over but the MSM don’t think it’s worth mentioning.

397199 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 3, #887 of 1877 🔗

That is because the MSM are part of the coup.Ofcom took care of the broadcast media.

396980 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to DanClarke, 4, #888 of 1877 🔗

Same here in Canada. My MPP (member of provincial parliament) is MIA. He’s a member of the party who has perpetrated this “state of emergency” on us…not that I think the opposition party would be any better. Same as the UK — lockdowns not hard enough, school ventilation systems should magically be replaced, more people should be paid to not work, etc.

396982 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 9, #889 of 1877 🔗

Sent mine a heartfelt plea to start speaking up citing the harm that this shit is causing in my own family. Ignored.

396999 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to DanClarke, 16, #890 of 1877 🔗

No right to protest, petitions suspended, no meaningful opposition, no representation, elections likely to be suspended, laws proscribed by government with no democratic process, constitutional challenges rejected or endlessly delayed by the courts, Policing by interpretation, human rights abuses, mass human experimentation, house arrest, door to door government intervention…

If you still think you live in a democracy then I’m afraid I have some bad news.

397189 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #891 of 1877 🔗

And who voted the anti-democratic member of the trilateral commission Keir Starmer to be leader of the non-opposition thereby ensuring we will have no democracy for decades (being optimistic)?

396956 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #892 of 1877 🔗

Cars queuing all morning at Longbridge, Birmingham after 2 cases of SA Covid.
Am I missing something here?

396979 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #893 of 1877 🔗

2 whole cases of an unremarkable variant of an unremarkable virus… I’m shaking in my boots, here!

397003 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #894 of 1877 🔗

The govt will have to admit that the SA variant is everywhere soon enough, with no noticeable impact on case numbers, illness or death.

397195 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #895 of 1877 🔗

They will just invent a new one to scare everyone.American news use the English variant to spread alarm.

397163 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #896 of 1877 🔗

That would be one of the 4000 + variants so far. and this is why there is no vaccine for the common cold (a mixture of rhinoviruses and coronaviruses).

396959 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 31, #897 of 1877 🔗

There is more pressure on the government to open up.This will get harder and harder for them as more and more people get the jab.
Whitty and his pals are playing hardball.Now they are saying case numbers have to decline rather than hospialisations .
They are all monomanics. Not interested in anything else apart from covid.

397044 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dartford44, 8, #898 of 1877 🔗

The real aim is “ vaccinations “.

397113 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #899 of 1877 🔗

No it’s the accompanying passport.

396961 skybluesam, replying to skybluesam, 31, #900 of 1877 🔗

Probably already been mentioned but the study linked to in today’s round-up is truly extraordinary. Check this out on masks:

Although the effectiveness of masks is well established, 4 , 5 in the analysis of Marks and colleagues, self-reported mask use surprisingly did not affect the risk of transmission. Similarly, Ng and colleagues did not find an effect of self-reported mask use on risk of COVID-19 transmission in their analysis of contact tracing data from Singapore. 6 Rather than questioning the usefulness of mask-wearing policies, these results underscore the necessity of a multi-layered comprehensive approach to infection prevention and control. 7 Factors such as consistent and correct use and quality of the mask could not be accounted for in the analysis.”

They quite literally are saying that even though they found that masks don’t work, they are going to disregard this because apparently “the effectiveness of masks is well established”.

Except for when your own research confirms that they are not effective you surely have a responsibility to at least recommend further work on the matter. Instead they kowtow to the current status quo, one which is far from “well established”. They are going with an ideological attachment to masks over the results of their own study. It’s astonishing.

Do the “follow the science” brigade every actually read the studies by the scientists they so love?

396987 ▶▶ Julian, replying to skybluesam, 12, #901 of 1877 🔗

Do the “follow the science” brigade every actually read the studies by the scientists they so love?”

Doubt it. Maybe the summaries, or just read Tweets about them.

““Although the effectiveness of masks is well established”

Indeed – it is well established they are not effective. It’s a neat illustration of how low some “scientists” have fallen that they repeat as gospel things that are simply untrue, EVEN WHEN THOSE THINGS ARE CONTRADICTED BY THEIR OWN FINDINGS

397025 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to skybluesam, 7, #902 of 1877 🔗

This is simply the religious liturgy of the cult known as, “scientism.”

397170 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to skybluesam, 2, #903 of 1877 🔗

Dr Schmidt-Krueger, who did a very long video reviewing the paper work BionTech supplied to the EMA, criticised that a very important graph ws in the supporting document.
She said most scientists will not look at the supporting documents, as they are “supporting”/not v. important, and it would take longer to read everything.

396968 nic, replying to nic, 23, #904 of 1877 🔗

I think to get out of it will depend on the rest of the world to a certain extent.
India , is opening up , sweden also, italy as well states in america unrest is growing in other parts of the world which is good.

397888 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to nic, #905 of 1877 🔗

Sweden never had a lockdown, just some restrictions.

396971 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 17, #906 of 1877 🔗

A couple of surprises today.

Received a letter from the council informing me that voting in local elections in may will be safe. I’d assumed they’d be cancelled.

Secondly my elderly neighbor went into hospital after a fall three weeks ago and I feared the worst. Turns out yep he contracted Covid in hospital but was moved somewhere else (unsure where) was given Hydroxychloroquine and should be home soon .

396974 ▶▶ skybluesam, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #907 of 1877 🔗

They’re using Hydorxychloroquine in the UK?

397014 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to skybluesam, 10, #908 of 1877 🔗

They were all using it on the downlow while the orange man was still a problem


397020 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #909 of 1877 🔗

It seems there are quite a few dupes in the West who thought getting rid of Dorito Hitler would send things back to normal.

Joke’s on them.

397046 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to skybluesam, 2, #910 of 1877 🔗

I was surprised too, that’s what I was told by his nephew.

397184 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #911 of 1877 🔗

If the doctor wants to do it and the patient consents or it’s judged ‘experimental/last resort’ you can use anything you like whether or not it’s approved. Need to be able to justify decision to court or GMC. At least that used to be how it worked.

396992 janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, 29, #912 of 1877 🔗

Happy to report that I successfully performed surgery on a poor snowman who had somehow (how?) gotten a big giant piece of disposable fabric lodged over his bottom half of his face. It almost looked like the poor snowfellow had no face! Anyhew, like a Good Samaritan I got down to saving him and now he is sporting a happy smile from button eye to button eye. Good things.

397127 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to janejakobs, 2, #913 of 1877 🔗

Nice work. You may well win the Good Samaritan Sceptic of the Day medal.

396993 isobar, replying to isobar, 17, #914 of 1877 🔗

UK Can’t Close Its Border Because It’s An Island ‘Unlike Australia’, Says Grant Shapps

With morons like this in our government, is it really a surprise that we are in the situation we are in?

397004 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 7, #915 of 1877 🔗

You have to laugh, only part of the government apparently running the country!

397159 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #916 of 1877 🔗

Why – have they shot the others? (Nothing would surprise me at this point).

397005 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #917 of 1877 🔗


David Kurten asking about Vaccine safety in London assembly and is rubbished.

The grotty little no-marks hand waving and interupting are complicit in the non consentual medical trials ongoing until 2023. See how fast they were to deride – this is briefed response.

397024 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Basics, 12, #918 of 1877 🔗

Taking Vernon Coleman’s lead, I think the time quietly question the gene therapy treatment is over. Now is the time to get very loud and aggressive about mass human experimentation with absolutely no quarter given, and damn their stupid arguments. This is evil. Line in the sand. Fuck you.

397035 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #919 of 1877 🔗

Who is going to do it?

397071 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #920 of 1877 🔗

Whoever can, wherever they can.

397241 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #921 of 1877 🔗


397072 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #922 of 1877 🔗

What a bunk of poisonous evil lying bastards. Leave some comments on there somebody for goodness sake.

397087 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 4, #923 of 1877 🔗

My comment:
“Opps the wrong question, what about deaths in care homes after the jab…no no shut it down!! Look at these fools waving their hands about, “don’t give a platform to scaremongering” PAH!..Scare mongering! That’s a bit rich coming from these psychopaths who have spent the last year scaring everybody witless. Shame on you all! What about all those post jab deaths? OFF THE CHARTS AREN’T THEY! You bunch of evil lying gits. You people have BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!!!!!”

397126 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #924 of 1877 🔗

That was the Green one, no doubt they’d secretly love a bit of depopulation.

397172 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, #925 of 1877 🔗

Don’t fall into the trap of opposite exaggeration.

The situation is that we just don’t know, and have no way of knowing about the efficacy or safety of vaccines.

Everything else is just supposition and confirmation bias.

397164 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Basics, 2, #926 of 1877 🔗

Did you see the 2 women in that losing their shot about it? Who is David Kurten? Can we send him some support?

397186 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #927 of 1877 🔗

A former member of UKIP.He has founded the Heritage party.He has been brilliant at taking Khan apart in the London Assembly and is fully against the Covid rubbish.

397328 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to jonathan Palmer, #928 of 1877 🔗

PW interviewed DK on his New Culture Forum podcast a while back. They are screwed by the London demographics aren’t they?

397239 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to TheHandbag, #929 of 1877 🔗

I’ve been impressed with him generally thus far. Sent him a quick email via his site. Peter Whittle also has taken Khan to task, specifically re: his visible support for BLM, considering their stated aims (on their own site), inc. to take down the police and disrupt the family structure..

397269 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TheHandbag, #930 of 1877 🔗

You would do well to keep an eye on David if have a vote in London. Fast serch him now and see how he does going forward. A guy who will speak up.

397018 isobar, replying to isobar, 67, #931 of 1877 🔗

Public opinion might be shifting at long last!

Now ministers and scientists say all OVER-50s must get vaccines before lockdown begins ‘significantly’ to ease and shops, restaurants and pubs can reopen but refuse to give a target date as Tory anger mounts over ‘goalpost-shifting’


Top rated (over 4000 upticks) comment from readers is:

“Yeah then when all the over 50s have been vaccinated we will no doubt be hearing that all the over 40s need to be vaccinated then the over 30s and by then there will obviously be a new “super mutant strain” and we will have to start again with the over 80s. Just get the country open while we still have one”

397036 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to isobar, 11, #932 of 1877 🔗

can I have my yellow star now?………..

397161 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #933 of 1877 🔗

Join the queue!

397037 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 6, #934 of 1877 🔗

Asked by presenter Sarah Montague if the vaccine news means the world can anticipate a return to normality by spring, Sir [John] Bell happily replied: “Yes, yes, yes, yes…”
this was from a SAGE member, who sits on the Gov advisory vaccine committee taskforce too, I believe.

397166 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #935 of 1877 🔗

Will probably get his SAGE p45 soon!

397093 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 5, #936 of 1877 🔗

Quite why the Tory MPs couldn’t see this coming from several thousand miles off is beyond me.

397188 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #937 of 1877 🔗

Beyond me too. But bear in mind that O’Brien has almost certainly been doing a lot of behind the scenes briefings. Even so, the fact that, apart from some notable and brave exceptions, they have supported the imposition of a ‘Police State’ they are, well in my mind anyway, beyond redemption. Same for Starmer and gang, to try and score political points by advocating harder lockdowns is frankly obscene bearing in mind the collateral damage.

397118 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to isobar, 23, #938 of 1877 🔗

Saying that ‘all X age group must get vaccine before lockdown lifts’ also sets the stage for revolting emotional blackmail and yet more division.

‘We’re only still in lockdown because people aren’t following the rules!!’ will become ‘We’re only still in lockdown because people aren’t taking the vaccine!’

397123 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Poppy, 10, #939 of 1877 🔗

Agree; the guilt card will likely be played very hard. I can see it now, “Look into their eyes, have you refused to have the vaccine? “

397130 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Poppy, 6, #940 of 1877 🔗

Yes, it’s all so predictable, isn’t it.

397158 ▶▶ RickH, replying to isobar, 2, #941 of 1877 🔗

When Vallance and others donate all their shares in the Pharma industry, plus any gains accrued from past ownership, to charitable causes, I will take them seriously. (Their salaries are perfectly adequate)

397245 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 1, #942 of 1877 🔗

Yes, they are, pardon the phrase, immunised against the personal financial fallout from all of this.

397019 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #943 of 1877 🔗

COVID’s Deadly Toll on Youth: A Sharp Rise in Suicides
Young people may be the least likely to get sick from COVID, but the impact of lockdowns and school closures has created an alarming spike in suicides among children and teens.


397107 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 7, #944 of 1877 🔗

Do you think Boris or Wankok or Pantsdown or any of them gives a toss?

397129 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Annie, 4, #945 of 1877 🔗

That’s an easy question – NO

397033 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #946 of 1877 🔗

Munchausen syndrome by the government is bringing with it lots of new jobs, along with the new Minister for children’s mental health, since they caused said mental health issues and now news that S ir Kevan Collins has been appointed by @BorisJohnson as the government’s new ‘education recovery commissioner’ to oversee the Covid catch-up programme.

397042 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to DanClarke, 4, #947 of 1877 🔗

“Sir” this and that, why didn’t you get rid of that shite a long time ago?

397106 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to norwegian, 1, #948 of 1877 🔗


397192 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, 1, #949 of 1877 🔗

Helps us spot the reptiles we shouldn’t trust, mind.

397080 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to DanClarke, 3, #950 of 1877 🔗

He’s probably been appointed because he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing and needs to get rich qjuick.

397145 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #951 of 1877 🔗

Is anyone else starting to wonder precisely who these people slept with to get their job?

397034 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 17, #952 of 1877 🔗

The way I see it Covid-19 and global lockdowns are part of the “ Controlled Demolition ” of the International Monetary and Financial system.

The metaphorical building has been crumbling for 13+ years and “they” know it’s going to collapse so best get the riches out of the way fast. Bill Gates chose farmland.

They’ve propped up the structure with ever more QE but that mass is going to push the building over on its own, so “they” have little choice left.

So, ring-fence the inhabitants with lockdowns so that they don’t block the exits in the panic and leave with their cash.

And then, give the thing a nudge.

Which part of the structure will “they” blow to bring it down on cue? The US stock market? I thought silver might be the trigger.

How do you build back bloody better when everything is in ashes.

Interesting times ahead.

397051 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 7, #953 of 1877 🔗

“The way I see it Covid-19 and global lockdowns are part of the “Controlled Demolition” of the International Monetary and Financial system.”

Except it isn’t a demolition, the whole charade is falling down due to lack of stuff (cheap oil, debt etc) to maintain it.

397057 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to norwegian, 1, #954 of 1877 🔗

Care to expand?

397067 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to janejakobs, 5, #955 of 1877 🔗

Instead of me writing a longer piece here take a look at Gail Tverbergs blog Our Finite World:


397094 ▶▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to norwegian, 1, #956 of 1877 🔗

Thanks much!

397301 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to norwegian, 1, #957 of 1877 🔗

Here’s an interesting take: basically a crash was about to hit and they pulled this c19 bullshit off the shelf to cover their dollar propping activities with Chinese and Russian acquiescence.
Hard to swallow maybe (sorry) but hey, a good read.

397313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #958 of 1877 🔗

I read that article twice. And I feel like in order for me to really be able to process it and make sense of it, I need to understand how these economic dealers usually work, how they think and how this fits in with the greater schema of their work. Oftentimes when we read things that feel conspiratorial, we are missing a lot of the context that helps explain it.

397079 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to norwegian, 1, #959 of 1877 🔗

But oil is cheaper than in a long time I hear some say. Yes, because the buyer can’t afford to pay more … and how long can that last before oil production stops?

397143 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to norwegian, 4, #960 of 1877 🔗

See I think that oil is being artificially suppressed in some sort of new war against the Saudis etc. It seemed very anti-oligarch out there to me. I mean, all the office blocks abs financial districts with tumbleweed blowing through? Who’s that sticking it to?

To look at behaviour, it’s not that no one is buying. I’m reliably informed that heating oil is going through the roof. The price at the pump isn’t super-depressed. The airlines are still flying some of their stuff, it’s just empty. Freight is still moving..

I have been thinking oil will probably rebound this year as house prices slump and interest rates start to surge. But I might be wrong.

Abs has anyone seen the Queen?

397152 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #961 of 1877 🔗

We certainly are in a war. I’ve heard that Buckingham Palace is being ‘renovated’ and is now boarded up – can anyone confirm? The royal family have been notably absent in commenting on anything that’s happened in the last year ..

397325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jos, 1, #962 of 1877 🔗

The last I heard of the Queen and the Duke was MSM crowing about them having the jab.

397053 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 7, #963 of 1877 🔗

I agree that we have seen a controlled demolition , bur despite their evil intentions things are not going to plan.

The gyrations in stock markets last week ( retail vs hedge funds) may have exposed the fragilities in the financial system which can derail their controlled demolition.

I would expect a tactical retreat and what will look like a rush to reopen.

397132 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 4, #964 of 1877 🔗

Rising commodity prices will be what brings it down. Too much money, not enough stuff. Maybe it’s kicking off:

This week:

“Arrow Research has published “scale-busting” charts detailing Chinese purchases of American corn over the past week.

Over the past week a record breaking 5.8m tonnes of US corn has been purchased by China for the current marketing year adding fuel to the US corn rally.”


A report from November:

“China is stockpiling every kind of commodity at a “mind-blowing” rate, with the country’s imports propping up an overall fall in trade volumes globally, bulk terminal operators and shippers were told last week at a virtual conference organised by the Association of Bulk Terminal Operators (ABTO).”


397144 ▶▶ jos, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 3, #965 of 1877 🔗

Terrifying and unfortunately probably true.

397045 Basics, 4, #966 of 1877 🔗

Jackie Baillie MSP writes in complaint about sturgeons continued silence in not answering her questions

“Feb 3
It’s getting harder and harder to get straight answers from
on vaccines. Still waiting for an answer to this two weeks later.

“Quote Tweet Jackie Baillie @jackiebmsp · Jan 20
Following my exchange with the FM today, I have written seeking clarity on a number of issues. Vaccinators cannot be left in the dark when it comes to the rollout of the vaccine. Huge thanks for the vital work that they are doing to protect us and save lives. Read my letter below” [on link]

This is cooperation in times of national challenge the like of which we have never seen in our lifetime, it is not a time to play politics. Unless, of course, she says/does otherwise.

Again it is sad to see political games obscuring the safety concerns such a mass roll has. We deserve much much better.

397047 Suet, replying to Suet, 9, #967 of 1877 🔗

Nice pic for you.

397058 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Suet, 6, #968 of 1877 🔗

To hell with humans, the sooner the better!

397102 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to norwegian, 4, #969 of 1877 🔗

A lot if thrm are booked for hell already, of that you may be sure.

397081 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Suet, 2, #970 of 1877 🔗

Look if you’re going to wear it, wear it properly!

397088 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Suet, 12, #971 of 1877 🔗

I bet a lot of those mask discarders were banging on about plastic straws endangering wildlife a couple of years ago.

397147 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #972 of 1877 🔗

Virtue signallers do not remember. They just move onto the next virtue signal

397089 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Suet, 8, #973 of 1877 🔗

I was approached by a concerned lady in the park this morning, who happened to see my puppy rushing about the place with a glove in her mouth (she’s obsessed with them). She wanted to warn me that yesterday a friend’s puppy had been rushed to the vets with a bowel obstruction caused by eating a discarded mask. My puppy is certainly obsessed with masks too, and will happily carry one along the street dangling from her mouth. People truly are disgusting.

Will we be seeing a new “duck variant” of covid soon?

397154 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Suet, 4, #974 of 1877 🔗

Where is Attenborough when you need him?

397157 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #975 of 1877 🔗

He’s a fullblown Covidian. Stay at home. Who cares about wildlife?

397282 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Suet, #976 of 1877 🔗

At least he won’t die from Covid.

397283 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Suet, #977 of 1877 🔗

The flying squad will be after that duck for incorrect mass wearing.

397050 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 21, #978 of 1877 🔗

Just a bit of wishful thinking. If somebody who due to lockdowns became mentally ill and shot Johnson, Handjob, Shitty & co dead. Would their deaths be recorded as covid or lead poisoning?

397083 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #979 of 1877 🔗

Whitty himself would say that they would be “on the side of Covid”.

397085 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #980 of 1877 🔗

Oh please please. Can I be an observer of this momentus act of self preservation and courage?

397095 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #981 of 1877 🔗

I love it – “not guilty m’lord, as it was within 28 days of a positive PCR test”.

397311 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #982 of 1877 🔗

Personally I’d give him a medal!

397327 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Smelly Melly, #983 of 1877 🔗

Careful… That puts me in mind of a tart remark by Ken Livingstone [during Blair] “It’s been a ‘long time’ since a British Prime was assassinated “[Spencer Percival, 1812]

(I thought: “You really don’t want to be saying ‘that’, Kev!”)

397052 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #984 of 1877 🔗

A sensible assessment from an expert writing in a prestigious medical journal, March 26th 2020:

“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of COVID-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to Spanish flu, SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9% to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

A demented hysteric on television, March 27th 2020:

“The mortality of [Covid-19] is about 10 times that of the flu”.

Bizarre coincidence them sharing an uncommon name like “Anthony Fauci.”


397097 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #985 of 1877 🔗

I mean simply put they can’t have it both ways. Either there is loads of asymptomatic transmission and Covid is not that serious, or there is very little and it is serious. At the moment they’re trying to convince everyone it is both.

397150 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 4, #986 of 1877 🔗

You missed the third option :

“… or there is very little, and it isn’t particularly serious, either”

397055 kvnmoore561, replying to kvnmoore561, 5, #987 of 1877 🔗

So, my daughter’s IGCSE exams have now been cancelled, unlike GCSEs we were told that they would be going ahead. There is a possibility that she might not be able to get a predicted grade (it’s a bit complicated – we’ve always homeschooled and exams have been taken at a specific centre unconnected to the body she studies with), but if push comes to shove I wondered if there is any legal advice that I can take if this is not allowed? Thanks.

397074 ▶▶ merlin, replying to kvnmoore561, 3, #988 of 1877 🔗

I am very sorry to hear that. My daughter has been in the same position and had her exams cancelled last summer but got them done last autumn and this january.
On what basis are they cancelling them , as if they held them in january( under full uk lockdown) , why would they not be held this summer?

397082 ▶▶▶ kvnmoore561, replying to merlin, 1, #989 of 1877 🔗

She took her maths (cancelled in May) in January. They don’t give a basis for the decision (sounds a bit like the government doesn’t it). You’re absolutely right, and I hadn’t thought of it, but if the exams could go ahead in full lockdown why can’t they in the summer?

397099 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to kvnmoore561, 2, #990 of 1877 🔗

I have just read announcement from pearson. Complete bull. I just hope all private candidates complain to their private exam centres and they back track.

397108 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to kvnmoore561, 1, #991 of 1877 🔗

We Home Ed too, and I’ve just read this. It’s gutting! My child is younger, but I’m just gutted for everyone’s children. I cannot fathom the rationale.

397133 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #992 of 1877 🔗

It’s beyond idiotic. Children in so called third world countries are getting on with their education. Even europeans seem to have managed better than the UK. Our children are bearing the brunt of this bullshit.
I really hope they let their mask wearing moronic parents know about it at some point.

397168 ▶▶ ituex, replying to kvnmoore561, #993 of 1877 🔗

Can your daughter have papers marked in an overseas IGCSE exam Centre? The exam is taken in a lot of English speaking international schools.

397260 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kvnmoore561, #994 of 1877 🔗

Usforthem is a group of parents with legal aspects. Better look them up yourself, i think I am giving you the right name. Ask here again in future the right people might not see one post. Good luck.

397062 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 1, #995 of 1877 🔗

I’ve only recently discovered this chap in Ireland, but my word he’s a good speaker…

Some mainstream media coverage of #COVID19 in #Ireland is adding to the high levels of stress and anxiety amongst the population.


397480 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to SimonCook, #996 of 1877 🔗

He is the only member of our parliament that I am aware of that is in any way sceptical about what is happening.

397063 merlin, replying to merlin, 8, #997 of 1877 🔗

Global cases of covid are collapsing and it can’t be vaccines as evidenced by israel and UAE. How do the mad scientists explain this?

397073 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to merlin, 6, #998 of 1877 🔗

Fewer cycles when doing the PCR test?

397078 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to norwegian, 4, #999 of 1877 🔗

I am sure that this is what was planned by uk authorities to claim victory and success for mass vaccination. But if cases are collapsing in low vaccinated countries the they look to be snookered.

397122 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, 7, #1001 of 1877 🔗

I am sure that this is what was planned by uk authorities to claim victory and success for mass vaccination.”

I wish it were so, but the signs are that SAGE at least want this to carry on forever, and the govt are going along with it. No indication there is any desire to declare victory and many indications to the contrary

397138 ▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Julian, 1, #1002 of 1877 🔗

As long as PCR test is not exposed as a fraud in MSM , I think they will dial it down from time to time just to give the masses some false hope.

397139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 3, #1003 of 1877 🔗

… the signs are that SAGE at least want this to carry on forever, and the govt are going along with it. No indication there is any desire to declare victory and many indications to the contrary

Julian, I was just going to write exactly this in reply to the mini-thread below re. the Daily Mail article about the ‘shifting goalposts’.

You’ve hit the nail on the head; SAGE are like a dog with a bone.

397305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1004 of 1877 🔗

Then it’s up to the people to take the power away from them.

397110 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to norwegian, 3, #1005 of 1877 🔗

Sturgeon is opening the schools on the 22nd and has barely got the vaccines going so I expect they will just look at the swabs ( give negatives) and not mess about with PCR.

397302 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to norwegian, #1006 of 1877 🔗

That’d be the Post Trump WHO Memo then: “drop the cycles”

397091 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to merlin, 9, #1007 of 1877 🔗

PCR test amplification down to 25; ‘orange man’ removed. Job done.

397114 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 3, #1008 of 1877 🔗

Absolutely, my thoughts entirely!

397146 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to peyrole, #1009 of 1877 🔗

They haven’t destroyed the economy just to get rid of Trump. Trump is one of them, you don’t get into these positions without being so.

397236 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jb12, #1010 of 1877 🔗

Did the way CV19 was played by the US media and Dems contribute to Trump’s downfall? Probably

Does it explain the same pattern in a hundred other countries? No.

397297 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, #1011 of 1877 🔗

They’ll say masks and social distancing made the difference which is why they want them to become part of our lives and the very reason why we must resist. We do not need them.

397068 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1012 of 1877 🔗

Good to see the “above the line” team is paying attention to news posted by the “below the line” team.

Posted last night: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/03/latest-news-274/#comment-396056

Just like to return briefly to Whitty’s garbage tonight at the Uncle Tom Appreciation Society meeting tonight in Downing Street.

It’s been heading down for nearly 4 weeks (peaking on 5th of January, before Lockdown could have had an effect). He’s only done about 5 press conferences since New Year; how come he’s only just noticed?

Vallance is no better; last week, he said it would take a long, long time for ‘cases’ to fall.

Pair of flimflam merchants! Next slide, please!

I’m only kidding, by the way. 😉 Well done, Will & toby. Better stuff ATL today.

397090 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1013 of 1877 🔗

When it’s Will editing the quality improves immeasurably.

397135 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peyrole, 5, #1014 of 1877 🔗

Yes; I prefer the ATL content when Will writes it. He also writes some stonking stuff for the Conservative Woman blog.

397075 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 6, #1015 of 1877 🔗

My apologies if already posted some time ago, but I just saw this on Dr Kulvinder Kaur’s feed as she had tweeted it again as part of World Cancer Day.

The original article is Oct 2020, but one can only imagine how much bigger that number is now…

Three million missed out on cancer checks after coronavirus put screening on hold https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/cancer-checks-three-million-miss-out-coronavirus-a4568771.html

397173 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SimonCook, 4, #1016 of 1877 🔗

Every unnecessary death from lockdown cries for vengeance.
And will get it.

397086 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 23, #1017 of 1877 🔗

God, with some honourable exceptions, the UK is a nation of hypocritical, bitter, sad people. Was it always like this, or has increasing materialism and loss of ‘belief’ in anything remotely worthwhile made it this way?

397092 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to peyrole, 10, #1018 of 1877 🔗

I think the UK like many other countries were never “the nice place”, it’s you and me and many others that has awakened …

397101 ▶▶ Annie, replying to peyrole, 17, #1019 of 1877 🔗

Totalitarianism brings out the very worst in people, and that’s what we are seeing.

397119 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Annie, 4, #1020 of 1877 🔗

Hear hear!

397137 ▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to norwegian, 6, #1021 of 1877 🔗

I was talking the Missus last night about trying to explain the behaviour of some people and why if they are given an inch they will go to extremes.

I was reminded of this experiment


which basically says that for a lot of people if they are given (or self-appoint themselves) a little bit of power they will take it to dangerous and totalitarian extremes

And this one


which says that a large number of people if they are given ‘permission’ to do unspeakable things even if it goes against their moral code and common sense, will do those unspeakable things with impunity

I think both explain a lot of whats going on and in particular how certain people are reacting….from the self-appointed Covid ‘guards’ in the shops berating other people for not following the ‘rules’ to the senior members of PHE who have vastly over-reached on their authority and ability.

397142 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #1022 of 1877 🔗

And even if our senior ‘scientists’ have never heard of these incredibly famous experiments, Derren Brown repeated the second one on TV and Peter Gabriel wrote a song about the first one!

Surely they are aware of them!

397128 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 2, #1023 of 1877 🔗

And the best – so many people seem to be more empathetic and less judgmental- they’re scared for themselves and their families but the average person in this country is not evil – it’s the people in charge, many of whom are aiming to destroy us, who are evil – pick your enemies (and they’re probably not the people you meet in the supermarket or on the street)

397103 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to peyrole, 29, #1024 of 1877 🔗

For what it’s worth I think it’s been growing over the past 12 years and you are right, we have turned into a nation of hypocritical, bitter, sad people. Firstly, our MSM shames us in the eyes of the world. They are owned by less than a handful of billionnaires and want power, greedy for power in fact. For at least 15 years now the nation has been drip fed increasing levels of hatred, propaganda, fake news, the wilful destruction of people in the public eye just for the sake of selling papers on minor, pathetic issues blown up out of all proportion. This has had a far more significant effect than is realised. The MSM single out people, institutions and ordinary members of the public to feed their own profits. Whatever people think of Jeremy Corbyn on this site, it has to be acknowledged that he was the subject of the most vicious, malicious, vitriolic, sustained hate campaign by the MSM, supported by the Integrity Initiative (paid £1m by Johnson as Foreign Secretary to run such a campaign), the Security Services, the CIA and other organisations. It took all these efforts to prevent him from being elected. Now we are stuck with the two faced, liar Starmer who hasn’t got a clue about anything. I mean he believes that they will win red wall labour voters by wearing a suit at the Cenotaph ceremony and adopting ‘family values’ when what people need of course are jobs, affordable housing, affordable transport, a top quality health service run and managed by clinicians, a good education system etc etc. They are doing the same with Toby only to a much lesser scale and anyone who questions the MSM propaganda, narrative or fake news. They create hatred and division. It’s a major causative factor.

People are subjugated to reality TV so they can point a finger at those who are worse off than themselves, are vulnerable and cannot articulate their circumstances properly or impartially. They are treated like freaks. More division more hatred more vitriol. So it goes on and on and on. There are other causative factors but I am in no doubt these are the major ones.

That and of course, an elite Government who are obsessed with power and greed and protecting the billionaires and millionaires and making themselves super rich. They want a divided, nasty, malicious nation. After this is over, God knows how anyone is going to be able to heal and forgive because they will, in the majority, still be brainwashed.

397112 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 3, #1025 of 1877 🔗

Nah. It’s just the same as always – open to snake oil salesmen if the price is right, and if the checks and balances fail.

It has never taken much to tip the balance of civility and civilization. The raw material is the same.

397121 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to peyrole, 5, #1026 of 1877 🔗

There was always a sense of it in post-war Britain, IMO.

The ‘bad things’ have all been accelerated by boundless social media and general godlessness though IMO.

397203 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, #1027 of 1877 🔗

Why just ‘post-war’?

Actually, this god thing is the basic model for totalitarian behaviour (know your Old Testament to see the prototype of Hitler.

‘Godlessness’ per se is actually quite welcome. 🙂

397228 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 1, #1028 of 1877 🔗

Because I can’t speak of pre-war… I don’t know anyone who was there.

397289 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 1, #1029 of 1877 🔗

Fair enough. I’m of the generation that has been in touch with some of those whose births went back to the late 1800s. Obviously two world wars and a very different social scene shaped them – but any fundamental individual differences are hard to see.

397242 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 4, #1030 of 1877 🔗

The problem with godlessness is that, since we seemingly evolved to be religious creatures, when you take God out of the equation, the vacuum will inevitably be filled by other nonsense.

Religion is very much a case of better the devil you know IMO.

“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
G.K. Chesterton

397293 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, #1031 of 1877 🔗

Chesterton was a member of the RC faith that ritualises ancient cannibal ceremonies, so was a bit biased 🙂

He was demonstrably wrong in that self-serving statement. Religious belief is totally irrelevant to questions of both truth and individual character.


397347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 1, #1032 of 1877 🔗

So where does morality come from (and how is it perpetuated) if not from religion?

I mean, sure you can argue it from first principles in a humanist way, but it’s based of axioms we cannot agree on so it’s worthless.

397140 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to peyrole, 14, #1033 of 1877 🔗

I first came to Britain in1989 as an au-pair (from Germany) to the outskirts of Birmingham. I found the British to be lovely, helpful people, especially out of the big cities.
I moved here again in 96, moved to Germany in 2002, and back in 2003. I have always lived in smaller towns since then, and yes, British people have changed.

I blame a lot on social media. Germany did not seem to be in such a grip of FB, hardly any of my school mates or my sisters are on it.

Having worked a lot of time in hospitality, I certainly notice that younger people are very busy and only care about themselves.
Funnily, I was thinking about this last night, and I think the British as well are very materialistic, everyone needs to own a house, the bigger the better.
Young people all want to work in “easy” jobs in offices, although that’s the same in Germany, no-one wants to work in “dirty” trade jobs.
Phones have contributed to everyone being in their own space, and PC. I used to love being addressed as “dear” or “love” in shops.

397151 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 6, #1034 of 1877 🔗

I used to love being addressed as “dear” or “love” in shops.

Well, I still do that.

I’ll also hold a door for you, Silke; I’m quite happy to screw the feminists… if you know what I mean. 😉

397153 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Silke David, 3, #1035 of 1877 🔗


397167 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 3, #1036 of 1877 🔗

I have fond memories of a Cornish taxi driver, many years ago, addressing me as ‘me ‘aaaaaandsome’ in the most delightful accent.
Could that still happen?

397214 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 4, #1037 of 1877 🔗

Alright moi luvverrrr I have had that once or twice down Dorset way.
Also, I never fail to be thrilled when I hear somebody say “Gurt Lush”

397272 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Annie, 5, #1038 of 1877 🔗

Yes, my ansum, my lover, my bird, my darlin, my beauty. Less common than they were but still going.

397274 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 3, #1039 of 1877 🔗


397202 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, 10, #1040 of 1877 🔗

I think since the early 80’s there has been a very gradual shift in British culture, slow tiny incremental steps. This is what I can only describe as “An Americanisation” of UK culture. I called it that back then and I have been very aware of it. A slow drip drip drip drip. This incorporates all the cultural programming, the propaganda, the brainwashing..Years of drip drip drip. This took a turn and accelerated in the late 90’s and hasn’t stopped. Full throttle full spectrum psychological warfare on humanity.

397805 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1041 of 1877 🔗

An example of Americanisation which I noticed coming in, starting around the 1990s, is the virtual disappearance of the phrase “showing off”. When I was young, if you were considered to be showing off your friends would quickly take you down a peg or two. But then the cult of “celebrity” took off in a big way, and showing off was no longer considered to be a bad thing and became normal behaviour in some contexts. It’s seen in ludicrous forms such as pink limousines which people hire for hen nights etc.

397285 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peyrole, 2, #1042 of 1877 🔗

No it never used to be like this, this nonsense started creeping in from the 80s but now it’s full throttle!

397304 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, #1043 of 1877 🔗

From the time of Thatcher, obviously 🙂

397100 Victoria, 5, #1044 of 1877 🔗

Forbes and U.K.-based Center for Countering Digital Hate attacks Mercola, Children’s Health Defense and others re questioning vaccine safety

  • Evidence shows Forbes has, since being bought up by a Chinese media investment company in 2014, lost its editorial independence
  • The PPP non-story was twisted into a supposed “scandal” by yet another propaganda machine: the U.K.-based Center for Countering Digital Hate, which is openly calling for deplatforming anyone who raises questions and concerns about COVID-19 vaccines


The Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), headed up by Imran Ahmed.

The CCDH recently defamed me and other leading vaccine safety advocates by insinuating we are “prone to violent extremism” and therefore pose a threat to national security in the U.K.

The CCDH report presents these messages without any counterarguments. It does not negate or even debate the accuracy of any of them. It just brushes them aside as “misinformation” and “lies” without providing any proof whatsoever, and in doing so, it actually ends up strengthening our messaging. In fact, the report summarizes our concerns so well that I’d encourage everyone to read it.

the CCDH is pushing for deplatforming anyone who questions vaccines

Ahmed is also a member of the Steering Committee on Countering Extremism Pilot Task Force under the British government’s Commission for Countering Extremism. In other words, the U.K. government is behind these smear campaigns and efforts to manipulate public opinion on vaccines .

What’s more, as detailed in “ Spy Agencies Threaten to Take Out Mercola ,” British and American intelligence agencies are collaborating to eliminate “anti-vaccine propaganda” from public discussion using sophisticated cyberwarfare tools.

When government lumps enemies of private companies into the same category as enemies of the state, you know totalitarianism has one foot firmly inside the front door. Essentially, they’re saying that if you criticize or impede the profitability of certain private companies, you’re a national security threat.


397104 mj, replying to mj, 19, #1045 of 1877 🔗

noticed that ITV this evening have a Tonight episode- “Covid Testing – Whats the truth” “investigating the mass testing plan in light of the doubts about the accuracy of the instant tests.”
Not seen the MSM investigating the accuracy of the PCR tests.
As the LFTs pick up far fewer “cases” is this now a plot to discredit them ?

397115 ▶▶ merlin, replying to mj, 7, #1046 of 1877 🔗

Bloody hell, what’s going on? I read below that HCQ has been used on a british patient and sturgeon can’t wait to open schools.

397116 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 7, #1047 of 1877 🔗

As the LFTs pick up far fewer “cases” is this now a plot to discredit them ?”

Seems likely

397148 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Julian, 8, #1048 of 1877 🔗

The truth is PCR tests pick up viral fragments (which could have been there for months) and lateral flow tests pick up infections.

397162 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mj, 3, #1049 of 1877 🔗

I’m surprised they haven’t tried to seriously discredit LFT before. As soon as Slovakia started their mass antigen testing, it was clear that their improved accuracy was a threat to the narrative. In a normal universe, the 36 positive lorry drivers would have been used to annihilate the government and their psuedo-scientists’ position.
I suspect governments snookered themselves by ordering huge quantities of LFT kits before realising they were too accurate. They couldn’t discredit them immediately when they spent so much on them, and promised so much (AKA operation moonshit).
Teachers now have stocks of LFTs at home, so when schools reopen, the school outbreaks will vaporise. So this could be an attempt to sabotage school reopening by undermining LFT. It could also be positive news but that seems unlikely given the ITV track record.

397196 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1050 of 1877 🔗

Looks a lot less intrusive too – no throat swab and just rolling the swab inside the nostrils not scraping the brain pan. Results in 15 mins, fewer false positives than the lead standard PCR Test. Wonder if those two advantages are linked (less time/opportunity for cross-sample contamination?)

397315 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1051 of 1877 🔗

It tells a tale : PCR tests – known to be wildly inaccurate and fraudulently unsuited to sole diagnostic purposes; condemned by the inventor for such usage – are allowed to form the main basis of SARS-CoV-2 data for 9 months.

LFTs – unknown accuracy, but probably closer to the truth – jumped on immediately because of the lack of hysterical findings.

397177 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mj, 3, #1052 of 1877 🔗

Covid testing: how can we distort, suppress and/or cover up the truth?

397136 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 30, #1053 of 1877 🔗

Once again, Witless on the NHS “It could become overwhelmed very quickly). Well Mr f****g Witless (liar, liar, liar) I suggest you deal in actual evidence and facts and not on your pathetic, worthless projections. The NHS isn’t and hasn’t been overwhelmed throughout any of this. In fact, they were closed from March 2020 to July 2020 and are still refusing to restore elective surgery, life saving treatments, diagnostic services. They have been decided underwhelmed during this period. Witless, Unbalanced, the Pig Dictator and Wancock are the ones with very serious blood on their hands.

Johnson is not someone who has led a worthwhile life, he has no interest in responsibility or decency or the good of the Nation, he can’t be bothered to take the reins because he simply cannot be bothered with the responsibility and to take the resultant tough decisions that are required which means, seriously questioning Witless and Unbalanced’s manipulated and falsified graphs. So, in his ‘don’t bother me with this now’ attitude (while he no doubt sinks a bottle of gin) Witless and Unbalanced only have to say “PM, this is our view and what you need to do” and that is what he does, problem solved, decision making delegated to two deranged scientists. Back to the gin, shagging and quoting the classics. Job done.

So, Sunak, great that he leaked his legitimate and truthful concerns. He must have quite a lot of back bench support in order to do that. Keep going I say to him, speak louder, forcefully and more frequently, he will be far more respected for it. I also think it is time for him to act decisively now whilst Johnson dithers, prevaricates, moves the goal posts and lets the Scientists rule this country. So, Sunak needs to: (i) end furlough in March when its due date is up (ii) refuse any further quantitative easing (iii) refuse any further support for large corporations and businesses and other businesses (iv) keep the £20 uplift in Universal Credit in place to ease the burden on the millions of people that are suddenly going to find themselves on the Dole Queue and increase the minimum wage giving low paid people a bit more spending power (v) set out a legitimate programme of Government investment in jobs, the economy, business development and societal infrastructure which will increase the nation’s GDP, lead to growth may be slow at first but will increase over time (vi) set out a programme of rationalising the NHS monumental management structure, removing money from them if necessary until they achieve this, tackle the gross inefficiency in the organisation and return said money from massive efficiency gains into the public coffer to invest in a better health service along the lines of Germany or France for example. There would be billions of savings in this alone (vii) Increase the tax rate of the excessively rich and reinstate the tax rate on Inheritance Tax (vijii) Reinstate the one off ‘WIndfall’ Tax on excessive Banking and financial industry bonuses initiated by Gordon Brown which added £2bn per year to the Treasury.

This is not exhaustive. He needs to break from Johnson and the Scientists and focus on the economy, economy, economy. He’s already made a small break by leaking his concerns. Give it large I say to Sunak.

397155 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Dominich, 11, #1054 of 1877 🔗

Witless on the NHS “It could become overwhelmed very quickly).”

Pigs might fly. For scientists, these top SAGE boys are very good at vague waffle. They talk more like politicians that the actual politicians.

397156 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Julian, 6, #1055 of 1877 🔗

And they are handsomely paid!

397187 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 8, #1056 of 1877 🔗

The excellent Jamie made the crucial point in an Irreverend podcast weeks ago: The miseries being inflicted on us are all a response to something that is NOT REAL. Models, predictions, guesswork, apocalyptic jabberings, Nostradamus on steroids. Never what is, or more likely isn’t, happening to real people in the real world.

397200 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 2, #1057 of 1877 🔗

Too many people believe it is real though.

397224 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Julian, 4, #1058 of 1877 🔗

As we all know ( and there have been so many images of all the past years newspaper headlines about NHS overwhelming) the actual words mean nothing.

it is a mere rallying cry now. It cracks the whip. In fact we could add ‘overwhelm’ to the list of misused words someone suggested recently.

397277 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Marialta, 4, #1059 of 1877 🔗

‘Exponential’ (ie ‘a lot’) has been quiet lately, hasn’t it?

397208 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Jo Dominich, 4, #1060 of 1877 🔗

It would be better to take the low paid out of the tax system. It must cost more in administration to tax them and it often penalises those who want to do overtime.

397449 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Kat, #1061 of 1877 🔗

That causes other issues such as acting as a barrier to moving up the career ladder/getting a better paid job. It is also believed that those that don’t contribute to society financially don’t have any interest in its preservation (you could argue that the existence of the 1% proves this point!)

397225 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jo Dominich, 3, #1062 of 1877 🔗

Thresholded windfall tax on megamega-commerce platforms?

397337 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #1063 of 1877 🔗

So the cost of everything you buy from Amazon goes up? Huh… how will that help?

397460 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1064 of 1877 🔗

Speaking as an accountant, that one would be easily avoidable, unless you made it a turnover tax. The problem with a turnover tax is that it is generally just added to the cost of the product. The poorer in society end up paying more, as a percentage of their income, for the product being sold as a result.

397232 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #1065 of 1877 🔗

I agree with your sentiments Jo. I personally see Sunak’s statement as the most positive development of the past 12 months. Sure, I know he is a politician and therefore about as trustworthy as a hungry anaconda, but he is at least making the right noises and he has the power to make people listen and maybe even follow. You can rant and rave all you want on forums such as this, nobody is going to listen to you, but get cabinet ministers questioning the agenda and that is a totally different matter.

397292 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Old Bill, 11, #1066 of 1877 🔗

The time has long passed when Sunak should have said “no” to the current PM and by extension, SAGE. He would have been up against it and then he should have resigned and delivered a blistering resignation speech. That he has allowed all this damage to the economy makes him as guilty as everyone else in cabinet whatever he does now. Still like him to refuse any further aid though.

397322 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to WasSteph, 5, #1067 of 1877 🔗

Exactly. Spot on.

397640 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to WasSteph, #1068 of 1877 🔗

Thanks for your thoughts WasSteph. I think his timing is actually impeccable – a blistering resignation speech would have some effect at the time but, at a time when the industrial levels of propaganda, fake news and manufactured hysteria was at its peak it wouldn’t have really had any impact. However, now, the British public are breaching lockdown quite significantly, people are totally and utterly fed up and our children are suffering. Sunak’s timing couldn’t be better because he knows that the Scientists want this to continue way into the year and thus, has picked a great time to leak, it will have much more effect now and the Tory backbenchers are getting really restless now. He now needs to double down on the message and broadcast it louder, clearer and more forcefully. It will mobilise the backbenchers.

I think he has done what he can with a highly toxic chalice and is now saying enough is enough.

397527 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1069 of 1877 🔗

I disagree with your socialist programme, which would sink the economy further into recession. Government investment has always failed and destroyed value in the past, and there is no reason to believe this time would be different. And as for higher taxes, Britain is already taxed more than at any time in the last 70 years. Tax policy must not be driven by spite and envy. The richest people are already paying such a large proportion of tax that the effective tax base is dangerously narrow. Another way of looking at it is that it is undemocratic for the many to burden the few with higher and higher taxes. It’s time for another look at the Laffer curve. We are well to the right of its peak; lower taxes would result in higher tax receipts.

397622 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Edmund Mortimer, #1070 of 1877 🔗

Thanks for your response but I cannot agree with you. Government investment is essential here to kick start an economic revival. The rich are paying no more than 50% tax now, corporation tax has been slashed and huge companies are paying virtually no tax. The few and the vulnerable and the unemployed are living on UC which is, I can tell you, unlivable on whilst the millionaires and billionaires are paying 50% tax with millions of loopholes they can use. Millionaires, as a result of this shitshow have made £3.9tn. People who work (i.e. the majority of the public) has lost £3.7tn in salaries. I believe that says everything we need to know.

397165 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 6, #1071 of 1877 🔗

The EU data for the Pfizer vaccine ‘adverse effects’ is collected on the site linked below.
The UK appears to be included if/when someone inputs a record, no idea how often this is done. Up to 31 Jan 26k recorded in total with what appears to be over 600 deaths in that number and about 40% of total classified as ‘serious’, mostly unresolved.
Worth keeping an eye on. The other vaccines will be having their own reports through this system . CDC runs similar in US.

397198 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to peyrole, 1, #1072 of 1877 🔗

I’m not getting anything from this link. Just a blank page.

397207 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1073 of 1877 🔗

I got an Oracle BI splash screen. I clicked Edit then it let me open up the Dashbaord.

397229 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1074 of 1877 🔗

Weirdly there are 1.5k males with Pregnancy, perinatal and puerperum conditions arising from the vaccine reaction. Are these womxn?

397174 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 13, #1075 of 1877 🔗

Younger people worrying about the long-term effects of new, untried, experimental vaccines are “ignorant,” chuckles 94-Year Old

Sir David Attenborough blasts ‘ignorant’ anti-vaxxers | Daily Mail Online 

397181 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 14, #1076 of 1877 🔗

Another “sir”, full of shit like the rest of them!

397190 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 14, #1077 of 1877 🔗

Told you he was a Covidian. Bought (cheap) and sold (bad bargain).

397204 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Annie, 7, #1078 of 1877 🔗

He’s also reached ‘National Hero ‘ status, there will probably be a petition for a state funeral as well or at least a few moments silence when he goes. John Snow in particular on Ch 4 news adopts that obsequious tone and look when interviewing him about how he was coping with lockdown a few nights ago. His main solution was watching the birds in his garden.

397247 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Annie, #1079 of 1877 🔗

And a Remainer!

397354 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, -3, #1080 of 1877 🔗

Well – he’s been right on something, then? 🙂

397358 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1081 of 1877 🔗

And let’s not forget a eugenicist judging by some articles dating back to 2013.

397194 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 7, #1082 of 1877 🔗

Untried and experimental is one thing, vaccines of the past haven’t much cred either, how about reading up Mr Attenprick?


397267 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to norwegian, 2, #1083 of 1877 🔗


397360 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to norwegian, 3, #1084 of 1877 🔗

I wonder if he felt able to impugn anyone who refused thalidomide or Factor 8 at the time.

397219 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 8, #1085 of 1877 🔗

Wow!! They really are all falling off their pedestals aren’t they? In fairness he’s probably just started to worry about that family he’s thinking of starting abs whether his sperm quality is going to be negatively affected.

WTAF? Most vaccine sceptics I know are highly educated but also hugely respectful of Attenborough and his legacy. He has no idea what damage this is going to do to his reputation.

397237 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1086 of 1877 🔗

His rep will be as before, remember most people agree with him …

397222 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 16, #1087 of 1877 🔗

“Sir David Attenborough has hit out at coronavirus anti-vaxxers, branding their views ‘an ignorance of medical fact’.

The natural history broadcaster, 94, said he thought it could be borne from people mistrusting what they did not understand.

But he admitted he could see why some people were worried about having something new injected into their bodies

Sir David said: ‘It is an ignorance of medical fact and if you don’t understand it, it’s very easy to mistrust it.”
So the aged natural history broadcaster is the latest expert who fully understands vaccines and anyone who asks questions is just plain ignorant. These people just need to stop this right now. If he survives long enough he’ll be in the dock with all the other celebrity “experts”

397266 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1088 of 1877 🔗

The problem with celebs is they become far too arrogant. For some reason their celebrity status gives them a god complex and they forget their more humble beginnings. Once again it’s MSM who puts them on pedestals they don’t deserve.

397611 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1089 of 1877 🔗

Just as Vernon Coleman said to David Lammy F**k you Lammy F**k same to David Attenborough.

397231 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 12, #1090 of 1877 🔗

So, ‘caution’ is now “ignorance”. Silly old fool!

397235 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 14, #1091 of 1877 🔗

Well at your age you don’t need to be worrying about the long term side-effects do you you patronising, old scrote.

397273 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1092 of 1877 🔗

Still, we can always hope he will discover about short-term side effects!

397249 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 10, #1093 of 1877 🔗

Another sanctimonious shit that I used to like in another life.

397250 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 8, #1094 of 1877 🔗

Fuck off Dave. Zero respect now for him as well.

397253 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 16, #1095 of 1877 🔗

He is an ignorant entitled prick. Who the fuck does he think he is to be labelling anyone ignorant with the globally amplified voice he has?

What a cunt. Guess his nose it out of joint since Tom gets a clap and he wasntt even a bbc saville enabler.

397271 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 9, #1096 of 1877 🔗

Seems pretty clear to me that the green lobby aren’t too fussed about human collateral as long as the planet is “saved”.

397259 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 11, #1097 of 1877 🔗

My comment on that article was “Sir David is very keen to keep the natural world as natural as possible, yet supports the idea of a genetic therapy being given to millions of humans as part of a massive (and illegal, in international law) experiment. We don’t know the harms, and he doesn’t seem to care what they might be.”

397281 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #1098 of 1877 🔗

I look forward to not clapping for him.

397307 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 4, #1099 of 1877 🔗

Well being 94 I don’t suppose he worries about long term effects.

397356 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #1100 of 1877 🔗

What an irresponsible man. He is also hanging out with the XR crowd. Yet he is a likable fellow

397365 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #1101 of 1877 🔗

Loved his programmes when growing up.

Had the chance to meet him a couple of years back staying in the same hotel. He was at breakfast with a large entourage who were mainly family I think.

But after all his propagandising on the AGW issue at the BBC passed that up. Haven’t regretted it.

397389 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #1102 of 1877 🔗

Another unqualified celebrity endorsement for the “vaccines” throwing in defamation of an entire generation for good measure. Every time such announcements are made, I suspect they are having the exact opposite of their intended effect.

This man is not a national treasure. He is a national disgrace.

397602 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #1103 of 1877 🔗

They are having to wheel all these peops out I guess just to get anyone vaccinated! That will stop.

397809 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #1104 of 1877 🔗

Let’s face anti vaxxer or full on vaxxer, we’re all ignorant as regards this new experimental vaccine. Time will tell but just my intuition … injecting toxic adjuvants plus new technologies into a human doesn’t sound like a recipe for health, as I understand it.

397178 theoldkungflu, replying to theoldkungflu, 5, #1105 of 1877 🔗

I’d like to send this story to my pro lockdown friends who have yet to wake up from being sheep, but as soon as they see “lockdown sceptics” I know they will not even click on the link or read it. Haved any of you managed to get the blinkers off anyone you know?

397240 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to theoldkungflu, 5, #1106 of 1877 🔗

No, they disregard what I say and even that which is taken in is soon overwritten by their daily dose of MSM fear porn. If I wore a lab coat I suspect I would have more success.

397318 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to theoldkungflu, 7, #1107 of 1877 🔗

Anyone who is still pro-lockdown now is beyond saving, until there’s a preponderance of doubt in the MSM.

Personally, I wouldn’t even be in contact now with anyone who is still pro-lockdown. I’d rather put wasps up my arse.

397521 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to AidanR, 2, #1108 of 1877 🔗

I’d rather put wasps up my arse.

I think you will find that dear old piffle and friends are already considering something similar.

397180 stevie, replying to stevie, 7, #1109 of 1877 🔗

From the Guardian:

The vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi has declined to say whether the government is recording data on who has refused a coronavirus vaccine.
Zahawi said uptake was “incredibly high” in the UK, with 85% of adults accepting the vaccine, according to the Office for National Statistics, and the 15% skewing heavily towards black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) communities.
PA Media reports:

He acknowledged that recent research from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, which found that white people were twice as likely to have been vaccinated than black people, was “worrying”.

The minister was asked three times on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme if refusal rates were being tracked.

He confirmed that everybody who had had the vaccine went into the national immunisation vaccination system.

But he did not say this was true of those who had declined a jab, instead referring to the “high” uptake among the first four priority groups.

Asked if the government should be recording this, he said: “So we absolutely will look at how we are addressing the issue of refusal rates. At the moment, this is the highest uptake of any vaccination programme, including all the flu vaccination programmes, that NHS has run.

397206 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to stevie, 19, #1110 of 1877 🔗

He will be first up against the wall.

397216 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GrannySlayer, 23, #1111 of 1877 🔗

Going to need a big wall, GS. 650 politicians, 101+ SAGE dorks, thousands of local and county councillors, and that’s just England.

Oh, and that little shit Khan!

397244 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1112 of 1877 🔗

Yes,I only mentioned to my wife the other day that we are going to need a lot of bullets.

397351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Paul, 5, #1113 of 1877 🔗

Couldn’t we just run ’em through with pitchforks?

397503 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1114 of 1877 🔗

Going to need a big wall

Maybe Trump would let us use his Mexican one?

Then again there is always Hadrian’s, trouble with that is a lot of it missing so some of the crims might escape – nobody will want that.

397270 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1115 of 1877 🔗

Well, HE certainly should be amongst the ‘collateral’ damage to politicians.

397210 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stevie, 7, #1116 of 1877 🔗

What is it with politicians (especially ministers) and the word ‘absolutely’?

397220 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1117 of 1877 🔗

And starting a sentence with “So”

397227 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Andy Riley, 2, #1118 of 1877 🔗

Better that than “I feel that…”

397256 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #1119 of 1877 🔗

Have to admit to doing that on occassion. 🙂

Worse than just “so” is, what I call, the ‘Cathy Newman’ – “So, what you are saying is…”

397279 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1120 of 1877 🔗

That Peterson interview is a timeless classic.

397306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, #1121 of 1877 🔗

And yet the man has turned out to be a total tran-wreck and Cathy Newman is still standing.

397422 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to AidanR, #1122 of 1877 🔗

Honestly how can you write that? I hope you never suffer such difficult family and health issues.

397446 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to richardw53, #1123 of 1877 🔗

Is it true or isn’t it?

If a man is telling millions of young people how to live and improve their lives, isn’t it pertinent to ask whether this man practices what he preaches? Or indeed if what he preaches is actually specific to containing his own mental frailties?

If he was minding his own business, his mental health would be no-one else’s business.

397861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, #1124 of 1877 🔗

Aye, that’s true enough. He’s back now though, but I can’t help thinking he did it to himself. He makes great arguments but never seemed to be able to control his anger. Odd for a psychologist, not to understand the dangers of stress.

397869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, #1125 of 1877 🔗

Never underestimate the capacity of highly intelligent people to be feckin eejits.

397909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, #1126 of 1877 🔗

He’s got a neck like a jockey’s bollocks, as my gran would say.

397450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GrannySlayer, #1127 of 1877 🔗

How did you know what I was thinking when made my post, GS? 😉

It was a classic, yes. Did you know that she claims that she won that ‘debate’?

397517 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Andy Riley, #1128 of 1877 🔗

Rather that than starting it with “The Science”

397346 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1129 of 1877 🔗

It’s the use of the word ‘must’ as in ‘people in Kent must get tested’ that I object to. ‘Must’ implies an obligation and enforceability- the word they are looking for is ‘please’

397263 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stevie, 5, #1130 of 1877 🔗

The takeup so far is by the low-hanging fruit of over 75yr olds and semi-coerced health care workers. The steep upwards curve will surely slow if not plateau when they hit the lower age groups. Maybe.

397345 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stevie, 1, #1131 of 1877 🔗

And there’s that word ”incredibly” again. Perhaps they’re using it in its true sense: implausibly, fictitiously, questionably, improbably……

(No doubt he’ll be able to engineer a ”poll” on people’s concerns – having his fingers well and truly stuck in the Yougov pie.)

397371 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stevie, 1, #1132 of 1877 🔗

“He confirmed that everybody who had had the vaccine went into the national immunisation vaccination system.”

From what I was told yesterday, that is an awful lot of bits of paper. I wonder how many will go missing when they finally get the system up and running fully.

397211 Sceptic down south, replying to Sceptic down south, 10, #1133 of 1877 🔗

@ Will Jones

“New daily infections peaked in the first few days of January.”

I know you implicitly acknowledge this in the subsequent comments, but that statement is wrong.

“New daily symptoms (on the Zoe site) peaked in the first few days of January”, not infections. Infections precede those symptoms by at least say 5-7 days, hence infections peaked perhaps circa the last week of December, and probably before Christmas in London.

Which, as you suggest, is clear from the triage calls. 111 calls (people being ill) will take place quite a bit of time after any original infection.

And when it comes to any sort of lockdown, it is infections that such lockdowns are alleging to stop.

397257 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Sceptic down south, 1, #1134 of 1877 🔗

Good point.

397213 Victoria, replying to Victoria, #1135 of 1877 🔗

19-year-old hospitalized in ICU days after receiving second Pfizer vaccine

A 19-year-old was hospitalized with myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – five days after receiving his second dose of the coronavirus vaccine


397223 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 2, #1136 of 1877 🔗

Just another coincidence of course. There’s a great ad on that page – a mask that kills a disease! Amazing!

397268 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 5, #1137 of 1877 🔗

Look how ‘dead’ those people look.

I see this look in a lot of people I see wearing masks; that and misery.

397300 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1138 of 1877 🔗

They remind me of people in Victorian family photos who, becuase of the long exposure time had to pose statue-like for ages and always looked a bit dead.

397368 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to thinkaboutit, 2, #1139 of 1877 🔗

And often did pose for photographs with the dead.

397333 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1140 of 1877 🔗

Why the hell don’t people who can’t do without muzzles on their faces wear see-through ones? Why can’t teachers wear see-through ones if they must, because they’re so afraid?

397288 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to leggy, 1, #1141 of 1877 🔗


397295 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1142 of 1877 🔗

Is this a spoof or serious?

397338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to frankfrankly, #1143 of 1877 🔗


397455 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, #1144 of 1877 🔗

Bloody madness

397287 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Victoria, 5, #1145 of 1877 🔗

1) why the hell is a 19 year old getting a vaccine??
2) if they can liberally say there is “no proof” a sudden swelling of the heart was caused by a shot of vaccine, why can’t we say there is NO PROOF that COVID is caused by SARS-CoV-2? BONKERS!!

397581 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Victoria, 1, #1146 of 1877 🔗

What the blazes is happening when a 19yr old takes a jab he doesn’t even need and will probably never need?

397215 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1147 of 1877 🔗

US: 271 deaths, nearly 10,000 serious adverse reactions from coronavirus vaccines (so far)

397238 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Victoria, #1148 of 1877 🔗

If 25 million American have been vaccinated, and 271 have died, is that a 1 in 10,000 of dying from a COVID vaccine?

397246 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to TheHandbag, #1149 of 1877 🔗

271 out of 25 millions isn’t much to shout wolf over …

397252 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to norwegian, 1, #1150 of 1877 🔗

No I was just trying to work out if my maths was right.

397265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheHandbag, #1151 of 1877 🔗

Closer to 1 in 100,000.

397286 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to norwegian, 6, #1152 of 1877 🔗

But remember that the CDC estimate that only 1% of adverse reactions and deaths are reported through the system so the reality is always higher than the reported numbers.

Read this while browsing through something the other day.

397428 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1153 of 1877 🔗

We must also remember that we don’t know what the long term affects are from this. I saw a comment yesterday from a Doctor and shocking though it was he said he expected 50% of the people vaccinated would be dead in 5 years! How scarey is that?

397523 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Janette, #1154 of 1877 🔗

Yes but so far they are all elderly so it’s not particularly surprising. Life expectancy normally in a care home is about 1 year.

397413 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to norwegian, #1155 of 1877 🔗

But that’s the figure so far…there’s still plenty of time (years in fact) for many of those already vaccinated to develop side effects. No one can know what the final fatality rate might be.

397264 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to TheHandbag, #1156 of 1877 🔗

No, that would be 1 in (just under) 100,000.

397308 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Victoria, 2, #1157 of 1877 🔗


Anecdotal evidence about reactions to vaccine on Gab. Perhaps they are all made up, but doesn’t look like it to me.

397340 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 1, #1158 of 1877 🔗

I fear too many sceptics are seizing on anecdotal evidence, and thus mirroring the enthusiasts.

397556 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo, #1159 of 1877 🔗

The reactions described tie in with the VAERS data from the U.S.. which I’ve posted here.

397309 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, -1, #1160 of 1877 🔗

Natural News is not a reputable source
Not saying they are incorrect but they come under the Infowars umbrella which is poor optics

397970 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1161 of 1877 🔗

…they come under the Infowars umbrella which is poor optics

Say what ?

Natural News has been going for a long time. They are first class in all things health-related.

On USA-internal politics, Mike is pro-Trump and constitution.

On USA_external politics, batshit crazy.

397528 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 1, #1162 of 1877 🔗

VAERS COVID REPORTS https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data?start=80
9,844 Reports Through January 22, 2021*
jump to browse reports






397251 yohodi, 17, #1163 of 1877 🔗

Feb 2021; We seem to be in a position whereby the Governments’ response to a ‘national emergency’ is not based on actual medical and scientific data, (despite what they say) but is instead founded on reasonable worst case scenario theory predictive modelling, a 21st century equivalent of medieval auguries and omen theory, interpretation of the signs, Hepatoscopy.

397255 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #1164 of 1877 🔗

Also, before I go.. if so many people are having SAEs, should they be driving after vaccination?

397258 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1165 of 1877 🔗

Only if checking their eyesight.

397261 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 26, #1166 of 1877 🔗

The Nuremberg Code, and some thoughts. Please comment.

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

A subject can only consent when given all of the facts. Are people being told that they are recieving a treatment that has not completed trials, and is therefore an experiment? Doubtful, therefore consent to participate has not been granted.

The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

There is clear evidence and expert testimony that other treatments exist and are efficacious, vis. Ivermectin, HCQ, vitamins and mineral supplements. The experimental treatment is unnecessary as it is not a last resort. Other methods of study, vis. animal trials, have not been carried out.

The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

Animal testing was skipped. There is no natural history for a novel coronavirus.

The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

Adverse reactions are not being addressed, therefore physical suffering is not being addressed, nor injury. There is no attempt being made to avoid these, only increasing pressure on the public to participate.

No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

Prior mRNA experiments have resulted in failure and the death of a high number of animal subjects. Evidence of disabing injury is mounting, suggesting that the experiment should be ceased. That the government expected this may be proven by the attempted procurement of software to track the ‘high number of adverse reactions’.

The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

There has been no proper risk evaluation. The humanitarian importance of the experiment has been vastly overstated, and is unnessesary given available alternatives.

Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

Sitting in a car in a car park for 15 minutes is not an ‘adequate facility’.

The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

Administering the experimental treatment in tents staffed by nurses or retired medical staff does not fulfill this criteria.

During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

Coercion to recieve a second jab despite the adverse effects of the first is contrary to the spirit of this rule.

During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

Injury and deaths are mounting, with no end in sight for the experiment. On the contrary, those promoting the experiment are doing so with increasing pressure and coercion.

397321 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #1167 of 1877 🔗

Adverse effects won’t in the main be reported. Two elderly people of my acquaintance (one 80+ and the other 90+) say they have severe pain in their arms, and ”just felt ill” – but of course, they won’t report these symptoms to their doctor unless they’re too ill to cope. They’re stoic, as many of that age are.
And if either of them died, then their deaths would be put attributed to any of their other problems. Nothing to do with ‘covid’. How convenient.

397350 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Banjones, 4, #1168 of 1877 🔗

Good point, it’s going to be hard not letting the bastards get away with it.

397364 ▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1169 of 1877 🔗

Good faith? GOOD FAITH?
But they won’t admit it is an experiment, so none of the above applies in their view.

397376 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Annie, 2, #1170 of 1877 🔗

Yes, along with hens teeth and rocking horse shit.

397275 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #1171 of 1877 🔗

Can ANYONE here give me the rational argument why a healthy person should take a completely novel “vaccine” when the vast majority of people have very mild symptoms? I just want to know the RATIONALE… I am asking for real, not on a personal basis, just what is the RATIONAL argument.

397284 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #1172 of 1877 🔗

Rational has been erased from the dictionary. It’s no longer a term recognised by media, politicians, scientists or medical people. Most ordinary people also fail to accept it. There are exceptions to this, mostly found on sites like this, so your question is valid, but may not necessarily get an answer!

397294 ▶▶ Jo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #1173 of 1877 🔗

I would say that all the people I know who have had it, or who are younger and plan to have it, cite the fact that they want their lives to go back to normal. Older people are also having it because they have received an “invitation” to have it, and they trust their doctors and the medical profession. Lots of people have trusted and continue to trust their doctors. That is why they are having it.

397334 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 2, #1174 of 1877 🔗

That’s a sane appraisal of the framework.

397430 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo, 5, #1175 of 1877 🔗

Clamouring to return to normal is a pathetic justification for submitting to an experimental medical treatment. It is the product of fatally diseased and enfeebled mind.

Whichever way this shitshow plays out, there will never be a return to a way of life remotely recognisable by comparison with what used to be classified as normal. Hence the vaccinated will lose on all counts, as they totally deserve to.

397464 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 3, #1176 of 1877 🔗

“Clamouring to return to normal”
That’s why there’s been so much propaganda and fear mongering, plus the never-ending lockdowns, all to push people towards the vaccine.

397438 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Jo, 7, #1177 of 1877 🔗

Exactly… the only reason friends who’ve taken it (front line key workers) give me are:

1) I’d lose my job if I refuse it.

2) It’s the “right” thing to do.

3) I want to be able to go on holiday.

When I reply:

1) It is illegal to sack you for refusing the vaccine, no matter what you’ve read on Twitter.

2) It’s undoubtedly the wrong thing to do to your body, even if Twitter tells you it’s the right thing to do to keep your friends.

3) See 1)

Then they stop speaking to me.

397296 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #1178 of 1877 🔗

What they’ll say is

  1. Yes, the vast majority of people have very mild symptoms, but you might be one of the unlucky ones.
  2. Long covid.
  3. To stop you catching it and passing it on to other people.

Obviously there are flaws to all these arguments but I think I’ve fairly represented what the other side thinks.

397332 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 2, #1179 of 1877 🔗

… except the evidence is next to non-existent, and the absolute risk reduction is minimal at best.

397361 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to mattghg, 5, #1180 of 1877 🔗

That’s exactly what my doctor friend tells me. I thought you had to be educated to become a doctor.

397643 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Puddleglum59, 1, #1181 of 1877 🔗

Doctors are book smart and life stupid. I say this as the daughter of a doctor.

397431 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mattghg, 1, #1182 of 1877 🔗

That would sound reasonably rational if we had 2+ years of data on their relative effectiveness. Until then, shouldn’t a healthy person stick to their natural human immunity that we KNOW is pretty effective at kicking upper respiratory viruses?

397453 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #1183 of 1877 🔗

Well yeah. What I’m planning to say when they come round to me is “I’ll consider it when the phase III trials are complete and these vaccines have been licensed in the usual way”.

397299 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 49, #1184 of 1877 🔗

Here is a rational argument:

Because it’s the path of least resistance.

You don’t have to explain anything to anyone, you don’t have to lose trust in your precious trusted authorities (trust is a good feeling), you can feel like you are “normal” and you are respectable and you are sane. You can say things to friends and Facebook without second guessing yourself and sweating as the responses come in. You don’t have to worry that your family or coworkers will hear you say that and look at you like you’re a traitor. You don’t have to worry about travel passports.

This is because the vaccine has been proven to be 85% effective (okay, I’m taking liberties here) at inoculating you against social punishment for wrong thing.

It is a very effective vaccine at keeping you in the in-group.

And as a social species, being in the in-group is vital. Being in the outgroup has terrible psychological and physical implications and can cause terrible loneliness, trauma, pain, isolation and the physical impacts of that.

So why take the poison?
To fit in with the poisoned.

This is a rational response. It is not ideologically neutral, for sure. It puts self-preservation and comfort about truth, honesty, bravery. But it is still rational. It makes sense for people to choose this. But those who make this choice are SELFISH. They choose themselves and don’t care if they are COMPLICIT in great public harm, because on an individual basis, this is easier. They are awful people. I know many such people – they shame me and mock me and dismiss me in order to be able to stay in the clique. They are cowards and I know that when the day comes and the tide turns, they will pretend they were always on this side. They will claim to have been victims of the vaccine. They will lose nothing.

It might not be medically rational, but it is in line with human nature. The worst kind.

397357 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to janejakobs, 9, #1185 of 1877 🔗

This is spot on Jane.

Moral cowardice is just something, that I personally (and I’m certain all the members of this website) find more shameful that standing out from the crowd.

Naively I assumed that more people (not the majority but a decent %) felt that way, sadly it’s clear that they generally don’t.

397418 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to janejakobs, 3, #1186 of 1877 🔗

Very well put

397424 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to janejakobs, 4, #1187 of 1877 🔗

Profound answer, Jane. Thank you! And I totally agree. And I think that’s the narrative shift we HAVE to make. “Are you sure you are doing this for the right reasons?” “What if it turns out to be harmful in the future? Will you be able to forgive yourself for encouraging others to take the risk? I know I couldn’t.”

397481 ▶▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1188 of 1877 🔗

I’ve tried to make people aware of the temptation and dangers of conformity for a while now.

I left the Hasidic community, which is conformist. From this saga I know that most people are cowards.

Not surprisingly, calling out conformity is not popular. The part that I don’t think I’ll be able to forgive is that ex-Hasidim have declared me a defender/apologist of the Hasidic community and public enemy number one. They should know better. They know they are using the same bullying/smearing tactics that were used on them by Hasidim. But they don’t think. They busy themselves with cheering each other on to make sure that their conscience doesn’t start to niggle.

No matter how friendly they will ever pretend to be, I’ll never be able to unsee the utter bullshit they are made of.

397652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to janejakobs, 3, #1189 of 1877 🔗

As an atheist Jew, I hear you and have never had any patience for these religious zealots. However, I have found myself cheering them on as they ignore government diktats and burn masks. In that sense they are very much non-conformist. These are very strange times when I have even a modicum of respect for people like the Hasidim! Utter conformists within the faith but total non-conformists when it comes to their healthy mistrust of government.

397511 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to janejakobs, 4, #1190 of 1877 🔗

Some very salient points there. Thankfully I’ve never felt the need to follow the herd.

397329 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1191 of 1877 🔗


I also pass on the argument for vulnerable people.

397415 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to RickH, 1, #1192 of 1877 🔗

It’s even more evil to offer these experimental drugs to vulnerable people!

397331 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1193 of 1877 🔗

Well, it says on the telly we should take it, dunnit?

I mean even Sir David Attenborough says it.

He made all those lovely nature programs dinny?

So, it’s bound to be ok innit?

I mean, I don’t want to have to go on them ventilators.

I wanna get back to normal and if we al get the vaccine then we can, can’t we.

397342 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1194 of 1877 🔗

that’s one thing but now they are suggesting mix and matching different vaccines

397344 ▶▶ alw, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #1195 of 1877 🔗

Am just over 70. Talking to my private GP this afternoon and explained why I would not be taking the vaccine particularly as I have no underlying health conditions and am not on any medication. She is quite happy with my decision and people must make decisions that are right for them. Local pharmacist also agrees that this is the right course of action. Think it is difficult for professionals to raise their heads above parapet.

Also had a long chat with GP about masks. Agrees they provide no benefit and are germ ridden.

397355 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to alw, 1, #1196 of 1877 🔗

Does your pharmacist allow you in without a muzzle?

397420 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1197 of 1877 🔗

Yes. The regulations don’t apply to pharmacies or doctor’s surgeries. Many do not know that. It also does not apply to going into a restaurant and sitting down and having your meal and then going to the loo. People are stupid enough to rely on heresay.

397412 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to alw, 3, #1198 of 1877 🔗

You just don’t know how happy this information makes me! Is this the answer? Private GP? I’ve deregistered from my NHS since practice and not given them a forwarding address. I don’t answer the phone. Where do I find these GPs?

397512 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1199 of 1877 🔗

Our private GP service was at the local Nuffield hospital but it is shut because of COVID. Same for Nuffield in next town. My NHS GP is also effectively shut.
If you look online there are GPs who will do consultations via FaceTime etc and can get prescriptions sent out to you if necessary.

397349 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1200 of 1877 🔗

If the Goverment said everything opens up with no muzzles/social restrictions once 25m have been stabbed, I’d take one for the team.

397362 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to arfurmo, 9, #1201 of 1877 🔗

….but whe we got to 25m they would change it to 30m

Is there a single target which has been kept to throughout this whole episode?

397417 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, 5, #1202 of 1877 🔗

The one on our backs

397437 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1203 of 1877 🔗

The rational argument a friend gave me last week was to reduce symptoms and thereby lower the risk of hospitalisations and thus strain on the NHS.

I can pick plenty of holes in that argument though but at least it was one.

397478 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1204 of 1877 🔗

Covid (Moderns) jab arm
Plus some data from VAERS (vaccine adverse effects register, according to which at least a couple of people died within a few hours or a day of being given the vaccine)

Covid data OpenVaers


9,844 Reports Through January 22, 2021*







397494 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to LMS2, 1, #1205 of 1877 🔗

Not just Moderna but Pfizer as well, and more adverse reactions with Pfizer, but haven’t found how many jabs given for each.

397291 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 29, #1206 of 1877 🔗

I think my old Dad has flipped. Went round an hour ago and something has tipped him into full on zealot mode. My learning disabled brother lives with my parents and Dad is suddenly freaking out that when they drove past the park earlier “hardly anyone was wearing masks, if your brother gets it that’s the end of his life” (my brother is as fit as a butcher’s dog and as strong as a horse, and would be massively distressed if someone put a mask on him).

Don’t know where this has come from as he’s thought the whole thing was overblown from the off. Sad to say, he may just be going a bit doolally.

397314 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1207 of 1877 🔗

Can you ask him why he thinks your brother is brown bread if he gets it?

397326 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to arfurmo, 19, #1208 of 1877 🔗

I didn’t really know what to say, so just suggested he drives somewhere quieter to take his walk with my brother for now. My Mum was shaking her head and telling me he’s been all over the place lately on the issue. Let’s face it we’re all going a bit crackers in this hell.

Edit: Thinking about it, the old fella’s always had a pathological hatred and fear of hospitals, might be projecting that onto my brother.

397479 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1209 of 1877 🔗

Your father’s fear and loathing of hospitals is a healthy thing. I think it’s what is at the heart of this panic for a lot of people. No-one wants to end up depending on the NHS to save their lives, because they know they’ve a strong chance of ending their days in a Kafkaesque gulag, locked away from all comforts.

397491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to AidanR, #1210 of 1877 🔗

Yes, that part of what he said today is certainly rational.

397336 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1211 of 1877 🔗

Obviously, you are more susceptible if you have learning disabilities, I mean, well, err… because covid, obviously…

397343 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1212 of 1877 🔗

It’s just come out of nowhere, I was really shocked.

397401 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1213 of 1877 🔗

It might be a good idea to talk about it with him. Ask questions, rather than tell him facts and figures, i.e. get him to articulate what’s worrying him and why. Try to reassure, e.g. that wearing masks outside would make zero difference. The virus would be dispersed by the wind. Etc.

397317 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #1214 of 1877 🔗

That’s one of the worse things about masks – it causes people to become irrational.

397324 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #1215 of 1877 🔗

Lack of a full oxygen supply to the brain can do that to you.

Plus the sheer frustration of not being able to breathe freely.

397319 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Jo Starlin, 15, #1216 of 1877 🔗

He’s not alone. The government fear campaign has been so powerful (aided and abetted by MSM) that many have succumbed to the ‘we are all going to die’ rhetoric. I’m not sure how this is going to be undone if indeed it can be. It was painful enough last summer when the restrictions were never really lifted in any meaningful fashion. It will be even slower and even worse this summer coming and then we’ll reach autumn and the whole thing will start again. We are in a loop.

397330 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 6, #1217 of 1877 🔗

I keep telling him to turn the bloody news off, he just suddenly seems to have succumbed to it all.

397335 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1218 of 1877 🔗

It’s hardly surprising if he becoming slightly hysterical, the government are using psychological warfare on us. There are consequences for such widespread mental abuse.

There are some good articles on psychology.com that might give you some ideas about coping with abuse, and some strategies to help him, particulalrly in the field of CBT.

If he is in a damged state, directly countering his argument might not come to much. I’ve dealt with a lot of acute anxiety in others – all of the rational arguments in the world will not help bring them back down, strategies and techniques work better

You’ll most likely have to approach this with subtlety, perhaps with some help from your Mum. Also, keep an eye on your Mum if he gets OTT – acute anxiety is tough on carers too.

397341 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1219 of 1877 🔗

Thanks, I’ll keep an eye on things and work around it.

397471 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1220 of 1877 🔗

I’m not sure how doing motorcycle compulsory basic training is supposed to help him, but I suppose it’s worth a try.

397859 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, #1221 of 1877 🔗


397402 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1222 of 1877 🔗

The evil fuckers have exploited people’s fear of death. Tell your dad to stop worrying and start living. He and your brother have more statistical chance of being killed in a car crash. Or from choking. Make whatever days we have on this earth worth living for. We are all going to die one day. Why spend every day in a form of death… a hysterical tortured state about the fact you’re gonna DIE ONE DAY!

397441 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1223 of 1877 🔗

Strange thing is Dad has been completely sane about it all, literally until today.

397867 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1224 of 1877 🔗

It is interesting how they have done that. I am (relatively) unafraid of death. Not heroism but it is often life that scares me more and I feel there is no point being scared of something you cannot escape, whether it is tomorrow or in 40 years. I wonder if this is an attitude underlying my scepticism? Attitudes to death and Covid might be a useful subject to discuss.

397969 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Waldorf, #1225 of 1877 🔗

Every person I know who has managed to stay sane is completely unfair as of death. Either total atheist or totally religious. ALL the covidians have no belief/faith at all (atheist is total faith in there being no god) – I think it’s a solid theory. Anyone on here afraid of death? I don’t wish it but I’m not scared of it.

397442 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1226 of 1877 🔗

The people I interact with need constant sceptical boosters to counter the state propaganda. Leave it for more than a couple of weeks and they can become overwhelmed by exposure to MSM brainwashing. I suspect there are millions in this country whose psychology will be permanently damaged by this onslaught, and will be mentally ill for the rest of their lives.

397472 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1227 of 1877 🔗

Unfortunately, he’s probably been watching TV.

397312 Ned of the Hills, 15, #1228 of 1877 🔗

When professor Whitty said in a press conference yesterday:

“Most of my colleagues think we are past the peak”

Some journlist should have asked him to state when the peak was in the case of “cases”.

Would he have owned to it being the 1st January as shown on a government website graph ( https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases ) ?

I.e. before a lockdown was announced to bring down what appears to have already been coming down. Though, of course, who was to know that?

397320 Fingerache Philip, 14, #1229 of 1877 🔗

915 die of Covid (All but 30 had underlying health conditions).
So the truth is that 30 died of Covid.

397348 Mark, 22, #1230 of 1877 🔗

The government is evil

397353 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1231 of 1877 🔗

New York for Valentine’s Day.

Govenor Cuomo(?) has decreed it will be safe if all restaurants open on the day at 25% capacity. Clearly idiotic and not in any way about the virus.

Restaurants have been prevented from having customers inside for many months. As a result streets are now festooned with a shanty town of shed built adhoc in the gutter – in which restaurants serve diners.

Covid is agreeing that it will make no mover towards dining couples so long as the restaurants are 75% empty. But only for Valentine’s Day. The virus has a heart.

397359 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Basics, 5, #1232 of 1877 🔗

Buy stock for a 1/4 full restaurant for one day. That’s going to work out well.

397378 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 1, #1233 of 1877 🔗

Eat out to help out?

397407 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to leggy, 1, #1234 of 1877 🔗

Shouldn’t that be ‘Eat your heart out to help out’?

397379 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 3, #1235 of 1877 🔗

Meaningless because most restaurants have such thin margins they can’t even cover costs at 25% capacity.

397382 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1236 of 1877 🔗

And his response to such questions – “25% is better than nothing”.

He is now talking like a mafia don in his press conferences, his intonation is extraordinary.

397387 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Basics, 2, #1237 of 1877 🔗

he has no effing clue how businesses operate obviously!

397421 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 4, #1238 of 1877 🔗

The expected response from someone that’s never done an honest day’s work.

397396 ▶▶ janejakobs, replying to Basics, 2, #1239 of 1877 🔗

Well not to worry because with us being all locked up and swiping at phones no one will have dates to go out with anyhow. The New York Times has “great” ideas for virtual celebrations; IDK, watch your lover eat a salad and look on passionately or something.

397439 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to janejakobs, 1, #1240 of 1877 🔗

The New York Slimes is the house journal of the criminally insane.


397448 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1241 of 1877 🔗

Yesterday the New York Times called for a, “reality czar.”

Total insanity confirmed.

397463 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1242 of 1877 🔗

Yes read that in American Spectator. Demented.

397509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to awildgoose, #1243 of 1877 🔗

Well Obama had a ‘pay czar’ supposedly working for zero pay, to oversee a reduction in pay in big private sector companies.
Pay czar lived up to his name by being paid alright, to the tune of a 6-figure salary. After the press finally cottoned on (not before several enterprising folks pursued the issue via FOIA requests) the Administration claimed Pay Czar was being paid but he was paying back his pay every couple of weeks.

397461 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to janejakobs, #1244 of 1877 🔗

Maybe not spaghetti though

397444 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 5, #1245 of 1877 🔗

news .. Hancock says that restaurants in England will open for valentines day. However people will only be able to go by themselves and sit at a table alone (to ensure antisocial distancing), and not talk , and wear a mask. Flowers will also be banned as they are covered in the rona. Semaphore flags will be supplied to communicate with their loved one who must be sitting in another restaurant across the street
Anyway as the vaccine will sterilise any female under 40 what’s the point of trying to get into a relationship

397452 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mj, 1, #1246 of 1877 🔗

No guidance on making sure to double-bag before having a wank alone in bed so we don’t catch Beer Flu?

These guys are totally asleep at the wheel!

397363 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1247 of 1877 🔗

apologies if posted elsewhere -some perspective on mutant variants

397395 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1248 of 1877 🔗

Great thread from Yeadon. Essentially he is saying that the furore around variants is completely unnecessary. He ends by saying “ But you’ll notice lots of things that are being said simply don’t fit & that’s because the tale they’re telling isn’t true. There’s a pattern. Lots of things that don’t make any sense. Why, I’ve no idea.”

Obviously he does have an idea why this is happening but would rather not say.

397408 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to godowneasy, #1249 of 1877 🔗

Trying to cover up their lies.

397366 Will, replying to Will, 1, #1250 of 1877 🔗

Am I right that “peak of deaths by date” was 17th January.

397403 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 1, #1251 of 1877 🔗

From the https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths numbers:

Maximum Deaths (by date reported): 1,820 on 20/01/21

Maximum Deaths (by date of death): 1,335 on 19/01/21

397454 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1252 of 1877 🔗

Date reported is of zero value. If the office was only open on say a Monday & they reported on a Monday you wouldn’t claim all deaths happened on Mondays. It’s just a bureaucratic quirk.

397487 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NickR, 2, #1253 of 1877 🔗

Not disagreeing with you, Nick. 🙂 It’s worth thinking about how it’s ‘used’, though.

Date reported is of zero value.

Because we know it’s not a ‘real’ number, but it’s a great propaganda tool in the hands of the goverment and the MSM.

If the office was only open on say a Monday & they reported on a Monday you wouldn’t claim all deaths happened on Mondays.

No, I wouldn’t, and you wouldn’t, but they do, and they have ; Patel and Hancock have both done it at the presser, regularly using the ‘reported’ figure, as in “the number who died yesterday was ‘reported figure'” .
Whitty and Vallance use it to calculate their 7 day average numbers on their slides, for both ‘deaths’ and ‘cases’ (or infections, as Whitty calls them).
The MSM use it all the time in a similar fashion, the BBC, especially..

397470 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1254 of 1877 🔗

I find the gov. Uk graphs unintelligible on a phone as I am.

397367 Annie, replying to Annie, 31, #1255 of 1877 🔗

It’s world cancer day,apparently.
All hail to Wankok and his attendant fiends for doing more to promote cancer than any other people in history.

397381 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Annie, 12, #1256 of 1877 🔗

Coming hot on the heels of children’s mental health week. It’s the end of satire.

397385 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mattghg, 3, #1257 of 1877 🔗

Reminds me of a William story. It’s Rat Week. William naïvely assumes this means it’s a week in which we should be nice to rats, When he is told that it’s a week when we all do our level best to exterminate rats, he is horrified.

397466 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Annie, 1, #1258 of 1877 🔗

Wow, wasn’t he wrong! If we had rat week now, I would want to exterminate the whole effing cabal of them.

397414 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Annie, 6, #1259 of 1877 🔗

Agreed. What I find staggering is that Northern Ireland Health Service has announced it will be postponing 4,000+ people with Red Alert Cancer and not a peep from MSM, BBC anyone in fact. I feel for those people and their relatives. It’s a death sentence no more no less.

397369 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1260 of 1877 🔗

Heard this Paul Hunter on the World at One putting a robust case for lifting the lockdown

397374 ▶▶ Annie, replying to crimsonpirate, #1261 of 1877 🔗

On the Beeb?
Lord save us.

397397 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1262 of 1877 🔗

Hmmm, not so sure. Whenever I’ve seen him in the press previously he’s been an absolute advocate of the most draconian lockdown. I think it’s a case of ‘good cop, bad cop’. And he clearly loves being in the limelight.

He is a useful tool for giving the readers hope by saying what should happen i.e. if case numbers and death statistics carry on improving. But those of us who are aware of how these things work in reality should be all too prepared for a change in the narrative that will disrupt any such expectations.

397476 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1263 of 1877 🔗

thinking back to what I heard he made a case that Christmas was responsible for the current drop in cases and deaths rather than triggering an increase.

397409 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1264 of 1877 🔗

Any idea what the difference between and ‘expert’ and a ‘leading expert’ is?

397447 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1265 of 1877 🔗

they missed the b off

397370 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 62, #1266 of 1877 🔗

You ever just step back and realise how absolutely insane this whole expeirence has been. From where we were in February to where we are today is staggering, terrifying, baffling….

The most insane part is I feel like the only guy in the room (outside here) who truly gets it, or, alternatively I am a nutter and this is all entirely benevolent.

397377 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 23, #1267 of 1877 🔗

If you’re a nutter then we all are.
Safety in numbers.

397384 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to JHUNTZ, 19, #1268 of 1877 🔗

yup it’s madness! sometimes i think i’m the one who has gone bonkers as everyone else just seems to suck it all up and cannot see what’s going on.
Must be some kind of filter on how people view the world. It would make an interesting psychology topic on people’s different perspective on the virus and their worldview.

397394 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #1269 of 1877 🔗


397647 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Annie, 2, #1270 of 1877 🔗

Highest form of human excellence is to question oneself and others. (Socrates)

397388 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #1271 of 1877 🔗

That’s why they won’t let us go to the pub. They let us out in the summer and we all stared comparing notes about how utterly insane it all is. Very risky. Now we are shut in our houses, never to mix with the human race again. People who are not supported by this community are only exposed to MSM propaganda. DT readers seem to be getting the message though… I look at their comments and they seem to be fairly with it. Actually twitter is also full of the informed masses. Actually, I think the nefarious actors in this might just fail in their masterplan. Let’s see…

397465 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1272 of 1877 🔗

I hope your right that people are waking up they are certainly not in my work, and my family whilst sceptical are no where near my levels of cynicism.

397390 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHUNTZ, 28, #1273 of 1877 🔗

Personally I have never been so sane. I am positive that just everybody else is totally insane. The idea that anybody who supports corona bollocks is sane is…laughable.

397393 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1274 of 1877 🔗

I know exactly what you mean. When will the sheeple wake up?

397467 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Janette, 5, #1275 of 1877 🔗

I don’t know if they ever will at this stage…

397605 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janette, 10, #1276 of 1877 🔗

When the money runs out. They will have to be more afraid of something else before they’ll let go of their fear of the virus. Notice how developing countries’ lockdowns lasted only a few weeks. If those people don’t work, they starve. You don’t have to be very good at math to figure out that death is a 100% certainty if you have no food, but Covid has a 99+% recovery rate.

397632 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1277 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I have noted elsewhere Covid seems to be a First World problem – if malaria or even starvation is a bigger killer Covid is not much of a threat at all.

397398 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #1278 of 1877 🔗

Yes. I find great solace in philosophy these days, it’s comforting to see that minds far superior to mine have looked out of the window and screamed ‘WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!’ It makes me feel less alone in a world gone mad.

397456 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1279 of 1877 🔗

Totally with you JH, but don’t worry there is worse to come. Imagine for a moment a world where covid has been accepted for what it is, a bad flu season. Suddenly, from all around the world will come a chorus from previous covidiot fanatics of proclomations like ” I knew all along it was a hoax” “Masks, what rubbish they were”, “Social Distancing? Me?”, “Wankcock, Shitty, Vaccine and Piffle? told you they were useless”. Worst of all will be the volte-face from the media and the Facebook warriors, the ‘fact checkers’ that suddenly see the real facts and attempt to hide their previous wilful ignorance.

If you feel murderous now, wait until that day comes. I don’t know how to cope with that.

Maybe I will never have to cope with it, because maybe that day will never come.

397473 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1280 of 1877 🔗

I don’t know if I could either that would be nauseating. I can see a time though when the majority of the population will pretend they were always against lockdown. Once the shit hits the fan so to speak.

397648 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1281 of 1877 🔗

There were about eight million Nazi Party members in Germany in early 1945. After the war ended, Nazi Party members were strangely hard to find. Not exactly the same thing, but a sign of how things can turn suddenly.

397372 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1282 of 1877 🔗

BS scientism from Germany about dogs being able to”smell” WuFlu 19:


1) They state the dogs can’t smell WuFlu, just metabolic changes it causes.

2) Then they claim to train the dogs by having them smell boxes with WuFlu samples and placebos.

Uh, guys…. you’re doing it wrong.

397649 ▶▶ Jo, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1283 of 1877 🔗

Heard a programme by a woman who trained her dogs to detect covid with her dogs, back in April last year. One had previously detected her own cancer and as a result her oncologist apparently got on board and they were going to get the ball rolling (sorry dogs). Of course, it never really got off the ground because the dogs wouldn’t have detected false positives. It was of no use, therefore.

397850 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to awildgoose, #1284 of 1877 🔗

Actually, (and here I must state that I’m not really a dog person), it seems plausible to me. When I had COVID back in Autumn 2019, it kicked the shit out of my pancreas. I’m in my youngish and fat, (please don’t shove me in front of a runaway train), but serendipitously was exercising regularly at the time. So my insulin resistance was under control better than it might otherwise have been. But I gained a stone and a half in just over a month. I bet a dog can smell the glucose fluctuations.

397380 penelope pitstop, replying to penelope pitstop, 26, #1285 of 1877 🔗

Seems the hotel quarantine imprisonment plans are not progressing very well – quelle surprise! 🙂
Seems one of the blocking points is how passengers who are all mixed in at passport control get rounded up and herded to their cell block H(otel). You can imagine flights from multiple destinations, how they filter the paxs out who are to be quarantined to the cattle truck. I think border force saying not their responsibility, and probably everyone sloping their shoulders of responsibility.
Another issue is if passengers have car in carparking and how retrieve them – extra charges – returning people back to airport/parking etc which they should be obliged to.

Link below in DT paywalled

How does our government manage to make such an unholy cockup of absolutely everything – it’s truly embarrassing to be British. I hope this stupid policy goes the same way as T&T and quietly disappear .

397392 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to penelope pitstop, 13, #1286 of 1877 🔗

Its pointless while dinghies are rolling up and the inhabitants running off into the night.

397515 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1287 of 1877 🔗

And thousands of lorries enter through the channel ports.

397844 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to DanClarke, #1288 of 1877 🔗

Never mind the dinghies. All the media have concentrated on the airports. We do still have a number of international ferry services operating I believe. Some that have very few hotels in the immediate area of the ports.

397405 ▶▶ alw, replying to penelope pitstop, 11, #1289 of 1877 🔗

Quarantine absolutely pointless. Look at what’s happened in NZ and Aus. They have the so called South African variant so quarantining in hotels has made zilch difference. Viruses mutate and they are just delaying the inevitable.

397434 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 8, #1290 of 1877 🔗

they are just delaying the inevitable.

This is so true. Toothy lady is in for a massive shock, at some point.

397475 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1291 of 1877 🔗

She’s piled all her chips on the Vaccine marker. Only they are all fairly useless and even if there were a real vaccine for it the next season’s strain would render it worthless.

A Wellington Variant could give her the boot.

397571 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1292 of 1877 🔗

A Wellington Variant could give her the boot.

I see what you did there. 😉

397493 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to alw, 2, #1293 of 1877 🔗

agree – it’s nature and whatever these dumb politicians do ain’t going to beat mother nature!
I have a really bad feeling about this that they will just imprison everyone entering the country (except their ‘elites’ of course!) like in NZ/Aus and we’ll become an island prison for a considerable time.

397411 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to penelope pitstop, 7, #1294 of 1877 🔗

Don’t knock cockups – holy or otherwise – they might be our saviour.

397429 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #1295 of 1877 🔗

I hope this stupid policy goes the same way as T&T and quietly disappear.

Dildo Hardon yesterday (day before?) told the Select Committee that T&T are doing a stonking job and that it’s a massive success, believe it, or not.

397506 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1296 of 1877 🔗

For her laaaarge pockets!

397510 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1297 of 1877 🔗

really… wow – that Dildo has an over inflated sense of her own competence.
I’ve never done the t&t as avoid these places like the plague so haven’t a clue tbh but seems to have gone very, quiet on the propaganda machine – maybe because everything is shut, but what’s the betting that when they lift restrictions it will be back on the agenda “no tracking, no entry” like the mask psych-ops!

397458 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to penelope pitstop, 11, #1298 of 1877 🔗

It is a curiously British trait. The state is absolutely brilliant at psychological operations but worse than useless at physical operations. A strange combination of pure evil and total incompetence.

Part of me thinks that many of the people in “authority” in this country simply do not have the guts or the will to go full-on totalitarian. This is why we have ended up with a kaleidoscope of regulations that in all honesty are far more lax than most other countries in the world.

397518 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Richard O, 5, #1299 of 1877 🔗

yes you’re probably right – i am thus far grateful that we (as yet) don’t have masks outside, curfews, and having to complete a form to leave the house like they did in france. So although i don’t agree with any restrictions except sensible wash hands and don’t snog strangers, we have comparatively had more lenient restrictions than other countries.

397562 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Richard O, 4, #1300 of 1877 🔗

I agree. The Greek authorities, drawing on a good deal of historical experience of right-wing authoritarianism, have made it illegal not to wear a mask outdoors and the police enforce it (the lockdown itself was only partially enforced, though, judging from the traffic). I came to Britain and despite a lot of fear propaganda many people do not bother wearing masks.

397477 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #1301 of 1877 🔗

Mr Bean does Quarantine,

397484 ▶▶ ituex, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #1302 of 1877 🔗

The whole thing is pointless as well as inhumane. Don’t have a problem with saying must have negative test because you get that before you leave so have choice whether to get on plane or not. This policy is to placate Labour Party and media not for infection control. Mutations are not related to a location but happen constantly and randomly everywhere.

397505 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #1303 of 1877 🔗

Bit late to keep out the South African and the South American versions. They are here already – that is if they actually exist.

397529 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1304 of 1877 🔗

I do suspect it is far harder to pull off something like that than governments make it sound.

397592 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #1305 of 1877 🔗

Unfortunately they are making it work here in Canada. There are only 4 airports that accept international flights and now every arriving person — despite being forced to pay for a Covid test before getting on the plane — is hustled off into a “quarantine facility” (re-purposed hotels) for 3 days at a cost of $2000 per person. Another forced Covid test is administered and only then are they released from jail if it’s negative and STILL must quarantine at home for the next 10 days. If the traveler ends up with a positive PCR, they are kept in the facility for the full 14 days, but at the government’s expense after the initial 3 days. Our government has contracted private guards to man these quarantine prisons. I’ve read stories of Canadians being hustled off and their families not even being told where they are being kept. It’s insane and I don’t even recognize my country any longer.

397386 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1306 of 1877 🔗

Ahh, those “nice” people at Imperial College, their financial backer and indeed the financial backer of the detested GHST at the Telegraph- pushing a world of medical change on all of us


397406 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to nickbowes, 16, #1307 of 1877 🔗

Excerpt: “The more goodies we have in the cupboard, the better,” said Professor Danny Altmann, an immunologist at Imperial College, London.
“For example, I am asked every day – every hour – if a particular vaccine is good for people with allergies, or a certain type of cancer. And the answer is I don’t know yet, because nobody knows. But more goodies will better resolve these issues.”

Mutants bloody mutants. Jesus, is this guy running a research team or sweetshop?

397426 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, 16, #1308 of 1877 🔗

Christmas has come early for Mengele, control freak, megalomaniac, egomaniac scientists, politicians, pundits, advisory board members everywhere

They have discovered the magic trick that means they will always be important – take some mild health threat and pretend it’s a disaster waiting to happen and scare the living daylights out of people

There is a conspiracy – it’s between all those whose careers and power are boosted by this, and of course those that profit from it (Big tech, Pharma, outsourcing companies)

397445 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Julian, 8, #1309 of 1877 🔗

I think it’s a mixture of planning, payoffs, true believers, and some level of instinctual herding behavior that have blended into this utterly toxic global hysteria.

397423 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 40, #1311 of 1877 🔗

I’m pleased to hear that Sunak is concerned about the “scientists” moving the goalposts, but the fact is that SAGE effectively seized control of the government months ago. If Sunak is really concerned about the way things are going, he would be better off resigning and mounting a leadership challenge. Johnson is a weak man and people can see he is out of his depth – I wouldn’t bank on him surviving a well-organized challenge.

397433 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JamesM, 13, #1312 of 1877 🔗

I think it’s clear now they took control on the 16th of March.

397507 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1313 of 1877 🔗

Please don’t fall into the Sage running the country narrative.They didn’t even talk about lockdown up to that date according to the released minutes.
Also Johnson made his loved ones will die speech on March 13.The decision to lockdown had been taken by then.
It was and is a political decision and the science has made to fit the political narrative not the other way around.
Look at the vaccine rollout.Again science bending to political decisions.

397576 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #1314 of 1877 🔗

It’s sub-sets of SAGE plus selected members of the cabinet. The SPI-B psycho unit plus the Gove/Hancock axis of evil.

Lot of info leaks to a willing and malevolent media is driving this too.

397436 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to JamesM, 6, #1315 of 1877 🔗

Boris has to stick around and soak up all the blame for this yet… no-one in their right mind would want to take over from him right now.

397443 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to AidanR, 10, #1316 of 1877 🔗

I think the G ove ‘olem might, he’s been after that particular ‘precious’ for a long time.

397513 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, #1317 of 1877 🔗

… and you’re right in terms of practical politics. Nobody will rush into this pile of shit – except the similarly deranged

397633 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AidanR, #1318 of 1877 🔗

Son predicts April 21st in the day Boris resigns.

Not sure why.

397658 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, #1319 of 1877 🔗

The bookies don’t share his view.

I too used to let wishful thinking guide my predictions.

397485 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JamesM, 18, #1320 of 1877 🔗

I think Rishi is positioning himself as replacement for Johnson, but he’s just as culpable in my view because he too has moved the goalposts, allowing furlough to be extended when really all it’s doing is making people comfortable while the economy is dismantled around them

397488 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to this is my username, 12, #1321 of 1877 🔗

He’ll need to make his move soon then cause surely once the economy goes to shit his career is as good as over?

397508 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, 7, #1322 of 1877 🔗

I know I’m not overly sympathetic – but even our local town drunk looks good in comparison with Johnson. 🙂

Sunak is just another tosser.

397561 ▶▶▶▶ JamesM, replying to RickH, 8, #1323 of 1877 🔗

Yep, and Starmer is even worse. We’d never get out of lockdown with that prat in charge

397540 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JamesM, 10, #1324 of 1877 🔗

Any positive news is welcome of course but Sunak is as much to blame for all of this, he has had so many chances to say “no” but has chosen not to. In addition he initially decided the self employed were not to be offered any financial assistance. When he finally gave in, he commented in his speech announcing it that (I paraphrase) when this is finished the self employed need to pay tax the same as the employed. He is a left of centre chancellor married to a very rich wife, of course he will understand about the problems in the UK. He is also very pro the “green” agenda. Not leadership or chancellor material in my opinion.

397553 ▶▶▶ JamesM, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1325 of 1877 🔗

That’s a fair point, but someone needs to seize back control from SAGE.

397574 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JamesM, 7, #1326 of 1877 🔗

I totally agree and if Sunak starts the ball rolling that is fine by me, I think there are better candidates as PM and chancellor. However at the moment any action which questions the narrative from within the government has to be a positive!

397595 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to JamesM, 3, #1327 of 1877 🔗

Graham Brady for Prime Minister.

397614 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to BJJ, 4, #1328 of 1877 🔗

Charles Walker Chancellor
Desmond Swayne Foreign Minister
Esther McVey Home Office

397724 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to BJJ, #1329 of 1877 🔗

Is Esther McVey the one who’s JK Rowling’s stunt double?

397722 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to BJJ, 3, #1330 of 1877 🔗

I agree BJJ, any of Graham Brady, Desmond Swayne or Charles Walker as PM would be very good not just for the current narrative, but for the country and I would expect good for the Conservative party.

397865 ▶▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1331 of 1877 🔗

I’ll be very surprised if the Conservative party wins another election within the next decade or two.

397630 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JamesM, 2, #1332 of 1877 🔗

Just sent him an e-mail asking him why is this shit continuing.

Get him here ta :


397863 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to JamesM, 1, #1333 of 1877 🔗

He should have resigned months ago instead of extending furlough

397432 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #1334 of 1877 🔗

Engkand has clearly had a lot of excess deaths, but as I pointed out yesterday, add 2019 to 2020 & the death rate is only 0.5% higher than 2015/16!
But look at the other nations. Don’t you just feel they wanted to get in on the party with their self-flagellating lockdowns?

397440 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to NickR, 4, #1335 of 1877 🔗

It’s a shame the other nations have went full fascist aswell. At least in America they have alternative states we have absolutely no alternative option.

397483 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1336 of 1877 🔗

I was most disappointed with N. Ireland. Thought Arlene Foster would have bucked the trend.

397499 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1337 of 1877 🔗

You are referring to the well-known fraudster???

397514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to RickH, 2, #1338 of 1877 🔗

They’re all fraudsters now.

397497 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 2, #1339 of 1877 🔗

Avoid the use of the term ‘excess deaths’ – it’s another imprecise term to put in he junk bin with ‘cases’. Having followed the data for some time, Euromomo graphing in terms of relative levels of ‘excess’ is highly suspect – both because their model is weak (it’s a ‘modeling’ product) and they’re dependent on country data.

But your conclusions are valid, Nick, both in terms of some countries’ responses to totally normal levels of mortality and the interaction between successive years.

397564 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to RickH, #1340 of 1877 🔗

Agree, Euromomo is not sound. Why can´t you go further back than 2015? But still it seems that in most countries this is nothing at all.

397457 Basics, 4, #1341 of 1877 🔗


Sacred bond between patients and medical professionals broken.

397459 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #1342 of 1877 🔗

A lot of individual articles from the AIER appear in the round up, and of course the Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by them, but I’d like to recommend visiting their home site regularly. It’s a treasure trove of article after article, seriously, thoroughly and eruditely demolishing the criminal insanity we are trapped in.

Here’s the homepage and a particularly good piece published today:



397533 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1343 of 1877 🔗

I second that. They have been amazing and I check in there ever few days.

397462 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1344 of 1877 🔗

Question: Who gets to have the Oxford poison and who gets the Pzizer poison, is it random? I ask becasue my mum (Non English) was given the pzizer poison (Despite pleads not to take it). Other non english people I know have all had the Pzizer one. All English people I know have all had the Oxford one. Maybe just a coincidence of a limited circle of people I know. So what’s other peoples experience on this?

For the record I don’t believe any of these “Vaccines” are anything to do with the virus.

397468 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1345 of 1877 🔗

My Dad had the Pfizer, Mum the Astra Zenecca, about three weeks apart, same GP practice. Seems completely random. Also, my Mum was told she didn’t need to worry about sitting down for 15 minutes after hers, while my Dad was.

397469 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1346 of 1877 🔗

My mum, Welsh (English accent) lives in England had Pfizer.

397482 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1347 of 1877 🔗

Sister and husband had the Pfizer one today. For some reason they thought they would be having the AZ one so had done some reading on it and knew more or less nothing about the P one. Daft if you ask me.

397489 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1348 of 1877 🔗

My mother had the Pfizer before Christmas (totally adhoc – offered it in passing whilst at the hospital for something else.) Second jab will be in a couple of weeks – hopefully not a mix and match but who knows. She had no ill effects from the first one. Aunt had AZ and had a stinking headache.

397495 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1349 of 1877 🔗

I’ve heard Pfizer is the worst one and causing most deaths and adverse reactions. It’s the mRNA one that’s never been used on human beings before 2020. The AZ is traditional “dead virus” one. Hearing there are fewer adverse reactions. This is ALL rumour. I have not seen official data.

397516 ▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #1350 of 1877 🔗

There is no official data yet as far as I am aware. Supposed to being collected but hasn’t been fiddled enough to be released yet.

397811 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1351 of 1877 🔗

AZ is not dead virus. It’s as novel as mRNA, but in a different way

397985 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1352 of 1877 🔗

The AstraZeneca is a virus vector vaccine, it’s not a traditional atennuated or killed virus vaccine. It’s using the SARS-CoV2 spike protein RNA inserted into a chimpanzee adenovirus. The Janssen virus is, I think, a killed virus vaccine (albeit I’ve read a number of articles saying that the SARS-CoV2 vrus has never been isolated in toto)

There are around 280 (!) vaccines in development.


397526 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1353 of 1877 🔗

I know of a mum friend who is a carer who had the jab and it was the Pfizer one.

397554 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1354 of 1877 🔗

@AdrianR made a post yesterday about people getting different vaccines from their GP: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/03/latest-news-274/#comment-395624

So, the old dear and her friends (late 70s early 80s) have all had their first jabs now.

The ones who had the Pfister one reported tiredness on day 1 but nothing other than that.

The ones who had AZ reported quite bad headaches on day 1 but nothing other than that.

One of the AZers asked why she’d been given that one when everyone else had the Pfister one. She was told that they’re giving the AZ one to people with certain underlying conditions.

I asked Adrian did he know which conditions; he mentioned Lupus, which is an auto-immune disease. It’s possible GPs have been told not to give the Pfizer to people with such conditions.

I haven’t seen anything in the MSM about this, though.

397615 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, #1355 of 1877 🔗

Beg your pardon, folks; that should be AidanR, not AdrianR. Sorry, mate. 🙂

397474 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 14, #1356 of 1877 🔗

See above the graph of decline in infections. The decline in infections from the virus started around January 16th around the world. How does this even work? Why is more not being made of this? We do not understand the first thing about how they behave.

397486 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bill Hickling, 16, #1357 of 1877 🔗

There is an “Emperor’s New Clothes” element to this. They simply cannot admit that virus transmission – and susceptibility to them – remain a complete mystery.

397490 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bill Hickling, 8, #1358 of 1877 🔗

Don’t respiratory infections normally start to decline at this point in the winter?

397501 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Julian, 3, #1359 of 1877 🔗

Well yes generally they do but see the various flu strains in previous winters that have different timings. And of course Covid struck in March. As I say, we don’t know the first thing about these things. How did they circulate the world before air travel?.

397525 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #1360 of 1877 🔗

“The pattern of the SARS-CoV-2 incidence concentrated in the 30-50N latitude zone suggests dust carrying the virus is spread by a circum-global jet-stream, specifically the northern subtropical jet-stream that blows in the high-altitude troposphere over northern China in early springtime. It is known that the agent of the Kawasaki disease is carried by long-range winds to Japan and California from northeast China. We hypothesize that dust carrying the virus SARS-CoV-2 was similarly transported from the huge virus reservoir generated in Wuhan province to southern USA, thence across the Atlantic to Portugal and further states to the east. On this model the primary in fall of the dust/virus-carrier depends on the jet-stream interaction with regional weather systems, causing incidence of SARS-CoV-2 cases in various countries/ states along this latitude belt. The notable case of Brazil on 31 March 2020-exceptionally outside the 30-50N belt-is proposed to be due to the Azores cyclonic system entraining part of the jet-stream west of Portugal into the south-westerly trade winds, when these winds penetrate to Brazil during springtime .”


397535 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to rockoman, 1, #1361 of 1877 🔗

Crikey must try and understand that link. Thanks

397550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #1362 of 1877 🔗

This is 100% consistent with the spread of viral agents on aerosol particles, which explains also why masks, SD and lockdowns are completely irrelevant.

It explains also why deaths have continued in care homes, despite isolation PPE etc.

397547 ▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to rockoman, 6, #1363 of 1877 🔗

Interesting! I haven’t read the link but if carried on global jetstreams then all interventions and lockdowns etc are just “pissing in the wind” against stopping this/any virus.

397580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1364 of 1877 🔗

These areosols are then able to remain stable in the air at low humidity and cooler temperatures, making eople who stay indoors most of the time particlarly vulnerable.

397646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to penelope pitstop, #1365 of 1877 🔗

I think Ivor Cummins mentioned this in one of his videos.

397575 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 2, #1366 of 1877 🔗

The reference to the extremely rare Kawasaki disease punts this into the ‘fantasy’ class.

Typical ‘caveat emptor’ stuff.

397618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #1367 of 1877 🔗

No – it just refers to an example of an infection where viral infection is already known to travel this way.

397583 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, 3, #1368 of 1877 🔗

Hit the south of the UK on April 8th – the pm2.5 pollution levels were ten times higher than usual and the pollution peak is an exact copy of the peak in deaths from covid.

397504 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #1369 of 1877 🔗

What were the deaths from respiratory diseases at in December 18-Jan 19 before they started counting everything as covid where they like this year?

Why did we even have such a viral spike in March and April. This is really unusual isn’t it? Don’t most winter nasties fizzle out by March?

397524 ▶▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1370 of 1877 🔗

Ivor Cummins videos and others show the waves of flu deaths in earlier years. yes the March thing is unusual as is the absence of flu this winter. As I say, I don’t think we really know anything about it.

397544 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #1371 of 1877 🔗

THat spike in March/April was jurisdiction dependent, occuring just after lockdowns were introduced.

Dnnis Rancourt credibly says that most deaths were due to lockdown measures. This is also indicated by the ‘spike’ shape in mortality. An epidemic typically produces a ‘hump’ in mortality a it moves through the population, rather than a ‘spike’, which is more consistent with human intervention – ie lockdown measures.

397566 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 1, #1372 of 1877 🔗

Dennis Rancourt credibly says that most deaths were due to lockdown measures.”

Which, unfortunately, is a statement as stupid as many coming out of the opposite camp.

The timescales don’t work – unless the return of infected patients to Care Homes is counted in as a ‘lockdown measure’

There was clearly an ‘event’ back in April.

397587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 4, #1373 of 1877 🔗

Yes, the clearing out of the hospitals counts as a lockdown measure.

Cohen has shown that psycholgical stress and social isolation are the two most important factors affecting mortality in respiratory diseases.

I am sure you can understand how these two increased considerably within that time frame.

The shape of the mortality curves, conclusively shows, in my opinion, that the larest part of the so-called covid deaths were due to lockdown measures.

The most extreme examples were fom northern Italy where we know that many of the care home personnel, who were from Romania, literally abandoned their positions, as they rushed to get home before borders closed.

Residents were then transferred to hospitals in some cases, where they were then also faced with a shortage of personnel, as some medical staff had to remain at home to look after kds who could no longer go to school because lockdown had closed them.

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted . Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”

Dr. Donald Henderson (leader of smallpox eradication campaign)

I don’t dispute that there was an epidemic – but the main ‘Event’ was lockdown.

397588 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1374 of 1877 🔗

Pollution peak as mentioned above

397492 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #1375 of 1877 🔗

So where are we going to go, folks? Florida? Tanzania? Sweden? Any other suggestions? Commune in Cornwall with a wind farm and generator? Build a floating city like in Waterworld? Find the secret entrance out of The Matrix? Civilian coup of the Isle of Wight? Taking any and all suggestions…

397496 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1376 of 1877 🔗

Zansibar (Tanzania) and we will use an oil generator.

397500 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #1377 of 1877 🔗

Take over the IOW. Red Funnel/Wightlink running 24/7 ferrying Covidians to the mainland and Sceptics the other way. No masks on our ferries.

397532 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1378 of 1877 🔗

Nope! Can’t use the Isle of Wight; Bill Gates has got that earmarked for his super-computer to run the planet.

Oops! Sorry, that was Colossus in the D.F. Jones novel. Could never happen in real life.

397558 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1379 of 1877 🔗

I wouldn’t bother, I was in a zoom meeting today with an islander who works on the mainland, ranting about how their tier 1 paradise was ruined by people from Portsmouth coming over and going to the pub. I don’t think we’ll get a warm welcome.

397613 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to landt2020, 3, #1380 of 1877 🔗

We’d have to force out the Covidians – pretend we all carry a new killer variant or something and they will flee for their lives leaving anything they can’t carry. They will rename it the Isle of Blight, treat it like Gruinard and frighten small children with tales about strange subhumans who expose their faces and touch each other without gloves. For us we’d have the Festival and great fun on the beaches. And benches.

397666 ▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1381 of 1877 🔗

Commercial property prices there are rock bottom, how about a 70 bedroom hotel for £1.6M. Swap a few houses of the mainland for one of those?

397959 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1382 of 1877 🔗

We have to make this happen!!

397572 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #1383 of 1877 🔗

I favour IoW if we can deport Covidians. I also like to call us “Civilians”. I’m not sceptical about lockdowns, masks and “vaccines”, I’m more opposed to them than anything I’ve ever opposed in my life… even Love Island!

397597 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1384 of 1877 🔗

Ha hence your name! Works for me. Or just Normals.

397807 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1385 of 1877 🔗

I grew up there. It’s a very strange place.

397522 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #1386 of 1877 🔗

Isle of Man! Lockdown was lifted on 1st Feb, everything is open and they’ve ditched social distancing.

397543 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Liz F, 2, #1387 of 1877 🔗

Gets my vote. Miles and miles of roads with no speed limits, and a resort that oozes faded glory.

Douglas reminds me of Weymouth in a way that I find very comforting.

397612 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to AidanR, #1388 of 1877 🔗

That’ll do nicely!

397627 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Liz F, #1389 of 1877 🔗

But non-residents cannot get in so what’s the point.

398021 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Liz F, #1390 of 1877 🔗

Token three week lockdown for the bbc then back to the old normal. I bet the chief medical officer is a retired GP that knows enough of the locals to not want to ruin their lives. Maybe in twenty years it will be a pocket of civilisation, as exotic to outsiders as ancient Persia.

397530 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1391 of 1877 🔗

Dunno but it’s going to end up like Mad Max at this rate. Just hope Mel Gibson is still in the picture! 🙂

397559 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1392 of 1877 🔗

… and he’s off the wagon.

Certainly would be entertaining times.

397560 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1393 of 1877 🔗

Floating city gets my vote, so we can chase the sun!

397569 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TreeHugger, 2, #1394 of 1877 🔗

So… errr… a residential supertanker that can do 1100mph on the ocean?

397650 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to AidanR, 1, #1395 of 1877 🔗

I was thinking more along the lines of this. A floating community following the seasons around the world.

397961 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to TreeHugger, #1396 of 1877 🔗

Oh I love this!! My Australian friend suggested exactly this when we zoomed at Xmas

397593 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TreeHugger, #1397 of 1877 🔗

Think of the norovirus.

397624 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1398 of 1877 🔗

A big cruise ship.

397964 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Awkward Git, #1399 of 1877 🔗

Vaccinated not welcome

398056 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Awkward Git, #1400 of 1877 🔗

good idea – we could charter an entire ship and go round the med!

397498 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #1401 of 1877 🔗
397676 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1402 of 1877 🔗

Must watch. An enquiry around that single issue would bring this whole shitshow down

397519 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 27, #1403 of 1877 🔗

This morning as I prepared myself for another day of online teaching I saw a middle-aged woman walking along my quiet street in a mask. At a certain point she stopped. Then she pointed at someone who was just out of my sight but apparently walking towards her on the other side of the road and shouted “Stay. There!” It was loud enough to be audible through my double-glazing. I thought, how grateful we must all be that we have these self-appointed covid-police keeping us safe in dangerous situations like encountering other human beings, at a distance, outside. On the assumption that it’s only a matter of time before I suffer such indignity, I have been trying, and failing, to think of a suitable reply.

397531 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to quodcumque, 10, #1404 of 1877 🔗

Two words would do it.

397534 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to nottingham69, 3, #1405 of 1877 🔗

Other than the obvious!

397756 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to nottingham69, #1406 of 1877 🔗

‘You muppet’? as per Two Six yesterday?

397536 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to quodcumque, 5, #1407 of 1877 🔗

If anyone tries that on with me I will cross the road to confront them.

397537 ▶▶ RickH, replying to quodcumque, 4, #1408 of 1877 🔗

Just think of her as someone suffering from a disability – like incontinence – but more life-limiting.

It makes irritation and anger more controllable.

397541 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to quodcumque, 5, #1409 of 1877 🔗

When faced with rudeness, I usually revert to “I BEG your pardon?!”

397555 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 8, #1410 of 1877 🔗


397545 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to quodcumque, 9, #1411 of 1877 🔗

Probably the ideal thing to do would be to hopefully spot her first, size her up and get ready to pretend you are deaf and looking your phone, then make a direct path towards her at a brisk pace. Ignoring her bullshit. If she crosses the road, you cross…grrrrrr. Maniacs.

397551 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1412 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I like that idea. Thank you.

397565 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to quodcumque, 6, #1413 of 1877 🔗

I am now evaluating everybody I see for levels of covidianism. I do this anyway and I am generally mindfully aware of what’s going on around me. I do tend to really look. I feel it’s important to pay attention. However now I really do play the covidian/non covian game with people. Sad really that I have to do this.

397606 ▶▶▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1414 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I’m not very good at assessing people’s state of sanity at first glance. I’ve completely lost the ability to keep my opinions to myself, however, so I soon find out.

397552 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to quodcumque, 5, #1415 of 1877 🔗

There is of course only one adequate reply is ‘ you feck off and the horse you rode in on can feck off as well’

397621 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to redbirdpete, #1416 of 1877 🔗

I’m not sure you captured the essence of that expression, Pete.

397578 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to quodcumque, 13, #1417 of 1877 🔗

I’m terribly sorry, but I can’t make out what you are trying to say. There seems to be something over your face. If you remove that I might be able to understand you.

397617 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Ovis, 3, #1418 of 1877 🔗

Thank you. I almost want it to happen now, just so I can try that out.

397586 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to quodcumque, 6, #1419 of 1877 🔗

Say you can’t hear what is being said and walk towards the person.

397589 ▶▶ Will, replying to quodcumque, 4, #1420 of 1877 🔗

Fuck off!!!

398052 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Will, #1421 of 1877 🔗

My favourite

397590 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1422 of 1877 🔗

She could do with it on a sandwich board.

397610 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to quodcumque, 10, #1423 of 1877 🔗

Mrs Awkward now says “I’ve nothing catching you know” in a narky voice and gives them “the look” – I think most married men know this “look”.

Me – I just say “fuck off” or “dickhead” or something similar

397712 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Awkward Git, #1424 of 1877 🔗

I favour your response. More succinct. Less ambiguous.

(“Where’s the ambiguity? Over there, in a box.”
Python fans will know what I mean.)

397761 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1425 of 1877 🔗

Yes – I normally say ‘I’m not a biohazard’

397714 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1426 of 1877 🔗

‘If you think it’s that bad, why are you outside?’ is my prepared answer, though I haven’t had occasion to use it yet.

397763 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1427 of 1877 🔗

That was almost my response to a friend who wrote this on Facebook. “Driving this afternoon to deliver resources to some of my students because they cannot print worksheets at home, I was appalled to see how many people were out and about. The traffic was queuing in the town centre and there were groups of people together without masks on (not families, but groups of friends). Words just fail me. We need more police presence, and we don’t need the public whinging on the BBC news when they’re caught. Absolute morons.”

397798 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to quodcumque, 3, #1428 of 1877 🔗

Your friend needs to see a psychiatrist, oddly enough I can recommend one.

397812 ▶▶▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 3, #1429 of 1877 🔗

Thank you! I just don’t understand a lot of people I thought I knew any more. In their universe, everybody is in constant danger of death and we’re living in an apocalypse. I suppose it’s what comes of too much BBC. In my universe, we’re living through a man-made catastrophe in the form of enormous infringements on our liberties.

397716 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to quodcumque, 3, #1430 of 1877 🔗

In LD1 I got told off for continuing to cross the road with my 5 year old. Apparently we should have stood like sitting ducks in the face of oncoming traffic to allow this lady and her two kids safe passage along the pavement at the other side. All this because she actually “cares about my children, unlike you!”. Probably one of the most horrible experiences I’ve had during this sorry affair.

397755 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1431 of 1877 🔗

Yes, I know what you mean. I’ve a lot of admiration for people, who can publicly not go along with this rubbish. But one conflict like that just ruins my day. Still haven’t worn a mask but I also haven’t been in a single shop since December.

397835 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1432 of 1877 🔗

You had the ill luck to encounter a totally horrible person. Believe me, the nasty taste soon goes, because the nastiness is in her, not you.
Pity her poor kids, they have to endure her 24/7.

397803 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to quodcumque, #1433 of 1877 🔗

Shout “COVID wanker!” at them?

397831 ▶▶ Annie, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1434 of 1877 🔗

Was it one of those small, squat, malevolent, beady-eyed little ladizombies?They are proliferating everywhere, like the little beetle-like men who throve best under the dominion of the Party,

397851 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Annie, 1, #1435 of 1877 🔗

Yes, that’s actually a very good description!

397520 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1436 of 1877 🔗

This is superb. You must watch it:


Thank God for the Swedes and their sanity in the face of malicious criticisms and misrepresentations from the swivel-eyed lunatics and sociopaths so pathologically obsessed with inflicting unfathomable suffering on their citizens.

One wonders if future historians and commentators will write about the sanity of the Swedes during a period of utter darkness and insanity. I believe they will.

397713 ▶▶ jayp, replying to JohnDanny, #1437 of 1877 🔗

This is pure gold …

397735 ▶▶ Bill Hickling, replying to JohnDanny, #1438 of 1877 🔗

Watched it. marvellous.

397539 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 24, #1439 of 1877 🔗

Bank of England announced that due to the success of the vaccine rollout the economy will have recovered to pre Covid levels in a year.
Whatever they are on at the Bank I want some ,to forget this nightmare.

397548 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #1440 of 1877 🔗

Kool-Aid with some added hallucinogens by the sound of it. If this is the quality of thinking at the Bank of England, then I’m afraid our society is even more irreparably damaged than I thought.

397563 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 5, #1441 of 1877 🔗

I had another ping saying the housing market will recover strongly after lockdown.What is going on with this good news propaganda?

397570 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #1442 of 1877 🔗

Good news. Good news. Good news. Herd. Herd. Herd. Sheep. Sheep. Sheep. Bad News. Economy fucked. How did our models get it so wrong.

397598 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1443 of 1877 🔗

after lockdown” = Never

397577 ▶▶ mj, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1444 of 1877 🔗

all the wonderful economic uplifts are being talked about by the Bank as being dependent on the fast adoption of the vaccines. Caught the BBC headlines before i realised the tv was tuned to Big brother .
So it is just more vaccination nudging.

397585 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 5, #1445 of 1877 🔗

In other news the chocolate ration has been increased.

397827 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1446 of 1877 🔗

And it still tastes like the smoke from a rubbish fire.

397601 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mj, 5, #1447 of 1877 🔗

Yes, clearly the inference here is that economic recovery is impossible without all 67 million citizens being vaccinated. At this rate it won’t be long before we are told that all life on earth will be dependent on this.

This is taking monomania to the next level. We need to come up with a new word.

397594 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1448 of 1877 🔗

How does that work?

397600 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, #1449 of 1877 🔗


397914 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DanClarke, #1450 of 1877 🔗

It was explained on the BBC News that, because people haven’t been spending money in the past year, it has been accumulating in their bank accounts. So when the high streets open again (the BBC clearly overlooked a major problem there) we’ll all be rushing out, in the words of Vivien Nicholson, to ‘Spend, spend, spend’ boosting the economy no end. Not sure that the millions facing bankruptcy, unemployment and homelessness would agree.

397599 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1451 of 1877 🔗

How’s that even remotely likely, given that unemployment should go through the roof when furlough ends.

Are Sunak and the Treasury putting the pressure on them as part of Richi’s push for the big job?

397609 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1452 of 1877 🔗

Dr Strangelove thought the GDP would recover to pre-nuclear attack levels in about 20 years, if my memory of the film serves me right… It sounds a bit like that…

397702 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1453 of 1877 🔗

‘Pre-Covid’ however does not specify a particular date. Perhaps the economy’s going back to where it was in August 1945.

397542 Jo, replying to Jo, 18, #1454 of 1877 🔗

Not sure if something already posted about the boy who accused CW of being a liar has now been punished by his mother by means of confiscating his playstation? Poor kid has little enough to do without her taking his main means of passing the time away from him. Shame we don’t know his name and address, we could fund a nice new top of the range one for him. Still, she was right in one respect, said he son was an intelligent boy.

397549 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo, 13, #1455 of 1877 🔗

If the lad can find his way around the internet, he’ll have crowdfunded a PS5 by now, which should be delivered any day now.

397616 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AidanR, 4, #1456 of 1877 🔗

Can we teach him to be more literate and loquacious so he can really go to town on Whitty the fuckwit?

397628 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1457 of 1877 🔗

Better to teach him how to use a katana.

397629 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1458 of 1877 🔗

I wonder why nobody joined that young man – wouldn’t it be great if everyone started chanting “liar, liar”? Apparently, Whitty is a regular visitor at the food stall in Strutton Ground market, so maybe there’s another chance?

397711 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Alice, 4, #1459 of 1877 🔗

Regularly visiting a food stall sounds dangerous and non essential to me…

397760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Alice, 2, #1460 of 1877 🔗

Hancock said, in yesterday’s DT:

“Chris Whitty is one of our greatest living scientists and his advice to the Government all the way through this, and his advice to all of us in the population, has been incredibly smart and thoughtful, and he is a great asset to this nation… Chris Whitty is a scientist of great repute and, frankly, he should be respected by everybody.”

Is there a bucket big enough?

397825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve F, 1, #1461 of 1877 🔗

No. Not if it were as big as the Ritz.

397557 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1462 of 1877 🔗

Volume of LFD Tests now overtaking volume PCR in England this week. PCR volumes in slow declining trend since around 29th Dec.

Data from here – hopefully graph will be visible.


397568 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to theanalyst, 12, #1463 of 1877 🔗

This is good news. Trend line is quite shallow still on the PCR but moving in the right direction. Employers have cottoned onto the many benefits of the LFT in not forcing their staff to self-isolate for weeks, instant results usually negative, and the less invasive swabbing. Next step will be to stop the stupid testing completely.

397620 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to theanalyst, 11, #1464 of 1877 🔗

I’ve delivered about 10 000 of the 10 000 000 that arrived in the past shipment.

Any GP, dentist or optician wants to test staff use a lateral flow so they get a negative result, to get numbers up they use the RT-PCR.

397672 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1465 of 1877 🔗

And it demonstrates just how arbitrary the whole feckin thing is. Not about a virus

397567 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1466 of 1877 🔗

In March 2020 the Pig Dictator Ted, Whitty and Vallance called the first exercise in house arrest (I refuse to use the term lockdown as the word is an invention of theirs)

They said the decision was based on the ‘science’ of Ferguson and SAGE. We now know Ferguson was wrong on this as he had also been wrong in all his other predictions/models

I suspect that none of those involved in the decision knew about or understood the ‘science’ of the PCR test. The issue of false positives only emerged later after the intervention of Yeadon and others.

I doubt if any of those involved in the decision had ever heard of Drosten and the ‘peer reviewed paper’ that started the whole PCR test ball rolling

When Ted was interviewed on Talk Radio some months later it was obvious he was lying and knew there was an issue with false positive PCR tests. His response that the false positives were ‘very low’ was a cleverly constructed obfuscation

Yes 1% to 4% is low in percentage terms, but would also mean that nearly all the positives were false positives

What did they know? and when did they know it?

397596 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1467 of 1877 🔗

I refuse to use the term lockdown as the word is an invention of theirs

‘Lockdown ‘came from the TV quiz show ‘Pointless’.

Once we’re out of ‘lockdown’, the economy will be ‘playing catch-up’ – as coined by Henry Kelly on TV quiz show ‘Going for Gold’.

You may have noticed a theme developing.

397698 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, #1468 of 1877 🔗

More like ‘The Chase’ in perpetuity for anyone who dares leave their house ever again.

397707 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cranmer, #1469 of 1877 🔗

If it was Takeshi’s Castle, I’d be right onboard.

397677 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1470 of 1877 🔗

There is something definetly fishy about timings etc..

The first piece of “coronavirus” legislation was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.

This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.

Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

What no-one has answered me so far:

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?

As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.

397691 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1471 of 1877 🔗

You’re amazing. Just that.

397824 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1472 of 1877 🔗

AG will be worth his weight in gold to the prosecution at Nuremberg 2.

397582 richmond, replying to richmond, 46, #1473 of 1877 🔗

I have this weird feeling that the average IQ of the people in this country is in fact significantly below average.

397591 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 1, #1474 of 1877 🔗

Yeah, all the smart ones have gone to live in Lake Wobegone

397603 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to richmond, 3, #1475 of 1877 🔗

nah,,, it’s just difficult to conceptualise the idea that half of all people are sub-100 once you’ve had to deal with someone with a 100 IQ.

397623 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to richmond, 7, #1476 of 1877 🔗

Wasn’t that proved a few years ago due to immigration?

I remeber something about it as we are letting in the dregs into this country instead of the intelligent ones so the country’s average IQ was dropping.

397637 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1477 of 1877 🔗

No – quite the opposite. It’s the in-bred natives that show themselves lacking. Far behind immigrants who have the nous to get off their arses and do something positive. 🙂

397642 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 1, #1478 of 1877 🔗


Moreover we have the dysgenic effect of a welfare system that pays the feckless to breed while the strivers are taxed to pay for it and thus unable to afford to start their own families in a timely manner.

On a global basis though, Ethiopia’s population has trebled since Live Aid, and has an average IQ of 61-69 (depending on which dataset you refer to)

If mean national IQ is what you want to improve all those offers of passports to Hong Kongers is a very shrewd move.

397673 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AidanR, 3, #1479 of 1877 🔗

A bit like the movie idiocracy then?

397674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1480 of 1877 🔗

More than a bit like it..

397682 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 5, #1481 of 1877 🔗

That has nothing to do with IQ, and is also very dismissive.

397639 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1482 of 1877 🔗


Look at average IQs for nations around the world and cross-reference that with the countries we’re getting immigration from.


397651 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, -8, #1483 of 1877 🔗

If you believe that junk, you have an intelligence deficit!

(Clue : spot the correlation)

397668 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 5, #1484 of 1877 🔗

Go on then, what’s the correlation, and how does that square with e.g. China or Macao.

When people respond this way, it usually implies to me that this is information they don’t want to accept because it undermines their comforting worldview.

398000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to AidanR, #1485 of 1877 🔗


397641 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1486 of 1877 🔗

I think many white collar professionals are emigrating for better life in Aus, NZ, Canada etc – can’t say i blame them and I suspect after this shitshow this will escalate

397645 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to penelope pitstop, 9, #1487 of 1877 🔗

A better life? In a cultural desert, a sub-zero hellscape or Mordor?

You’re ‘avin a giraffe.

397662 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to AidanR, 5, #1488 of 1877 🔗

Agree. I’ve lived in one and visited the other two extensively. All three are vastly overrated and their governments have been even more authoritarian than ours when it comes to dealing with the Rona – and most people have gone along with it enthusiastically. I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

Oh, and all three are incredibly expensive. When I hear British people complaining about what things cost here, I point out that groceries can be twice as expensive Down Under and Canada is no bargain, either.

Not sure how open these three countries will be to immigration anytime in the near future, either.

397670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1489 of 1877 🔗

Depends what immigration you mean.. Aus is pretty much owned by China now.

397767 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to AidanR, 2, #1490 of 1877 🔗

Yes, Australia is in a bad position, having tried to get answers from China about the Rona, but getting nothing apart from grief. The attempt showed the big divisions over China within the country: Premier (‘Chairman’) Dan Andrews of Victoria actually joined China’s Belt and Road Initiative (which got the federal government to change the law to require federal approval of states doing things like this with foreign countries); some big business interests (especially mining and food exporters) opposed Australia’s moves; some universities were not happy, relying on Chinese students and research money. They can’t get their act together and some sectors have been totally compromised. New Zealand is probably worse and Canada has nothing to be proud of. An excellent recent book on this is Hidden Hand , by Hamilton and Ohlberg.

397661 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1491 of 1877 🔗

“for better life in Aus ……”

If you’d said that a year ago I night have agreed, but now .. Well …

397788 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to rockoman, 1, #1492 of 1877 🔗

owing to the absence of opportunities in Sweden, despite family connections there, I am considering Switzerland and the US. Do you think either are better than here? The economic fall out cannot be worse, surely?

397820 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1493 of 1877 🔗

Yeah, head for Hellbourne and a better unlife.

397686 ▶▶ iane, replying to richmond, #1494 of 1877 🔗

Which, odd though it may seem, is easily possible (cf. the old canard about 80% of drivers thinking they are better drivers than average). All that such a result would need is, for instance, a bimodal distribution with, say, 90% very thick and 10% quite bright – the average would be between these two types and hence 90% would be thicker than average!

397705 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to richmond, 1, #1495 of 1877 🔗

I think they have the same innate IQ they always have done, but it’s no longer used now that government assess all the risks and make all our choices for us, so perhaps it’s rusted or atrophied.

397734 ▶▶ mj, replying to richmond, 2, #1496 of 1877 🔗

nothing to do with IQ.. its all about common sense and unfortunately that has disappeared

397604 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1497 of 1877 🔗

We have Covidians. At some time in the future will we have Branch Covidians and will they head for Waco?

397607 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1498 of 1877 🔗

The American ones will… the British ones will be in Wacofield.

397619 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1499 of 1877 🔗

They will have burned out before then (sorry)

397625 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1500 of 1877 🔗

Unless their movement tanks.

397818 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1501 of 1877 🔗

They’re already there. Root and branch.

397608 PWL, #1502 of 1877 🔗

The second wave in the ICU modelling was huge. But then, they’re making it up as they go along.

A coronavirus peak nears (ahead of time), the modelling is clearly wrong, and lockdown unjustified

397626 PWL, replying to PWL, -8, #1503 of 1877 🔗

The vaccines, and not to forget the down shifting in the WHO-recommended cycle count threshold for the PCR test, are devices so that government can be seen to be ending this wholly invented illness (for now). UK Government seems to want to drag it out some more, and while you have your lockdown scepticism to keep you passive and hopeless, folks, it could take its sweet time.

No UK Government Vaccine Triumph Suggests No Culling Of The Over-80s, Actually

397631 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 19, #1504 of 1877 🔗

while you have your lockdown scepticism to keep you passive and hopeless”

I think most of us are neither passive nor hopeless

As for the scepticism, it comes naturally – once you’ve seen something is a load of old nonsense it is hard to unsee that

Probably it will take a long time to get out of this, more years than I have left

Any helpful suggestions as to how the process can be accelerated gratefully received

397634 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PWL, 12, #1505 of 1877 🔗

Still posting here, then.

Didn’t you once say:

If you sustain Lockdownsceptics.org in its operation in any shape or form, you are a fool.

Oh, yeah, you did; in this article: https://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/new-study-acknowledges-increased-levels-of-ace2-as-factor-in-contracting-covid-19-who-will-take-any-notice/

397635 penelope pitstop, replying to penelope pitstop, 32, #1506 of 1877 🔗

Talk Radio – JHB

Nadhim Zahawi says some coronavirus restrictions will remain in place “until you vaccinate the whole of the world.”
Speaking to talkRADIO’s Julia Hartley-Brewer, the Covid Vaccine Deployment minister said “we will absolutely protect the entire population of the United Kingdom, but no one is safe until the whole world is safe.
“Until you vaccinate the whole of the world you’re not going to be able to completely get rid of restrictions from countries that may not have any vaccine.”

So folks we’re locked in HMP United Kingdom for evermore! All the dots are being joined up – they don’t want us to be free citizens!

397644 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to penelope pitstop, 14, #1507 of 1877 🔗

These assertions – like saying that there’s been 85% uptake, or that all adults can have a jab by summer or whatever, are there to make you go along with their narrative.

These vaccines must be incredibly valuable for what they will do to the population – nothing to do with freedom, nothing to do with your health, but to do with control, to do with beginning transhumanism in a way which they intend to “update” every year.

These people are very concerning. We must resist!

397786 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to this is my username, 5, #1508 of 1877 🔗

I know I totally agree. Never before have they pushed vaccines like this. It’s all very fishy!

397942 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, 2, #1509 of 1877 🔗

They did a similar campaign in the 1980s about an invented measles epidemic. Awful black and white scenes shot in old Victorian hospitals. Parents wringing their hands in fear for their bemeasled child’s life. Doom and gloom music. You get the picture.

My youngest was under pressure to be jabbed at school. I refused consent because he’d already had a measles jab (pre-MMR) when he was little and it had made him quite ill. He said the nurses made him feel uncomfortable about not having it. He was only about 9 years old.

We found out out later that there was a stock of measles vax that was going out of date and needed using up!

398070 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, #1510 of 1877 🔗

The plan is depopulation, that’s what Reiner Fuellmich is saying and I can’t argue with that. The vaccines are clearly a vital part of the plan.

397819 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to this is my username, 9, #1511 of 1877 🔗

Again it is the Microsoft business model transposed to health.Our operating system will be updated every year with anti virus software (vaccine) making Gates even richer.

397822 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1512 of 1877 🔗

I wonder how much Orifice 365 subscriptions will cost.

397653 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to penelope pitstop, 17, #1513 of 1877 🔗

He can fuck off as well as the rest.

397654 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to penelope pitstop, 14, #1514 of 1877 🔗

What his statement boils down to is that vaccination does not porotect the person who is vaccinated.

If every single person in the UK were vaccinated, then if the vaccine is effective at protecting each person, then surely it must be irrelevant what the rest of the world does.

397944 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, 1, #1515 of 1877 🔗

Not everyone can have the vax – those with allergies, compromised immune systems etc. Entire population indeed!

397655 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to penelope pitstop, 10, #1516 of 1877 🔗

…but no one is safe until the whole world is safe.

Complete and utter bollocks, of course!

And there’s that “absolutely” adverb again.

397669 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1517 of 1877 🔗

Watch for that slogan to be everywhere within 48 hours.

397660 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #1518 of 1877 🔗

He’ll not be there forever

397664 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #1519 of 1877 🔗

That makes absolutely no sense, non-logical crap.

397701 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #1520 of 1877 🔗

Just like we’ve still got restrictions in place from the Great Plague, Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu… It’s the only thing that’s kept them at bay, didn’t you know?

397814 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #1521 of 1877 🔗

The government following the Bill Gates agenda.

397815 ▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 13, #1522 of 1877 🔗

‘No one is safe until the whole world is safe.’
There speaks a raving lunatic.

397829 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Annie, 3, #1523 of 1877 🔗

The logical conclusion of that statement is that every baby must be vaccinated at the moment of birth.

397946 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1524 of 1877 🔗

Already happening in the US. Not with covidvax – yet.

397939 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1525 of 1877 🔗