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398110 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 1, #1 of 1678 🔗


398112 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Skippy, 10, #2 of 1678 🔗
398408 ▶▶ iane, replying to Skippy, #3 of 1678 🔗

What, champagne at this hour?

398895 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to iane, 8, #4 of 1678 🔗

Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party – has been accepted by the Electoral Commission
We did it!!!!! #champagneincoming


399253 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Skippy, #5 of 1678 🔗

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398111 itommo, replying to itommo, 133, #6 of 1678 🔗

Mandatory Hotel quarantine for inbound travellers from red zones is another beginning that has no end. Much like lockdown, the founding logic is flawed, so there is no exit. That going on holiday from the U.K. is now illegal is astonishing; that healthy British citizens are to be incarcerated for the crime of being abroad is mind-boggling. Once again, incremental small steps, nudges and political infighting have led the U.K. to a position of apparently broad acceptance of a police state.

The root of the authoritarian instincts of the British people appears to be a distrust and dislike of ‘other people’. Quarantine affects ‘other people’, especially ‘social media influencers’ who have had the audacity to go on holiday when everyone else is supposed to be suffering. Easy to identify, easy to scorn, pictures and bio readily available – perfect for Covid hysteria lazy journalism.

When hotel quarantine doesn’t bring down the fallacious PCR result numbers, the list of countries will broaden, the list of dangerous mutations engorged, freedom to travel even more restricted. As before, the individual decisions all make sense if you accept the founding fallacy of a single PCR test without clinical diagnosis being the gold standard of Covid. That the WHO has declared that to be no longer the case appears to have gone unnoticed.

The people who make these decisions will be unaffected as their travel will be deemed ‘essential’. Their supporters will miss their trip to the Alps this year. Both groups content in the knowledge they have selflessly sacrificed other people’s livelihoods in order to protect themselves.

398114 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to itommo, 17, #7 of 1678 🔗

Anyone arriving here in Thailand has to do two weeks in a quarantine hotel. There are two forms state quarantine – free for returning Thai nationals, charges for the rest. There are also ‘Alternative State Quarantine Hotels’ more expensive but usually with a balcony and decent view and in one hotel people could talk to their neighbours on other balconies. Smoking permitted on the balconies.

I know a few people who have done this and the worst thing that they all say is the lack of booze(not pernitted) The average cost of this is around 750 quid for 15 nights. Apparently the food, tv, and wifi connections are excellent in these places,

I don’t think the UK would be able to offer the same facilities.

398120 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 139, #8 of 1678 🔗

Doesn’t matter what facilities you provide. A jail with golden walls is still a jail. You are imprisoning innocent people without trial.That is an axe laid to the tree of justice that had been growing in this country for well over a thousand years.
The worst British government in history just got inconceivably worse. The fact that other governments are equally bad is no excuse.

398175 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 48, #9 of 1678 🔗

Exactly. WTF is wrong with people. Gleefully orgasming that the stay in a prison was better than expected. No doubt some criminals felt the same. And this is a trial run. They can do the same in the future, again and again. And the sheeple will thank these arselings. Applaud them. Give thanks for safety etc etc. Just frigging pathetic.

399384 ▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Annie, 2, #10 of 1678 🔗

The American government is just as bad.

398270 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #11 of 1678 🔗

Certainly cheaper than the offers on the table in Korea – £1000 to £1200 for 14 nights. Complete with guards in hazmat suits escorted all the way to the hotel. To me it was utterly ridiculous almost a year ago because I saw no evidence it was justified. I can’t believe it’s still going on today and being rolled out everywhere else.

398119 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to itommo, 16, #12 of 1678 🔗

It has earlier been reported that it is against ‘human rights’ to charge a fee for involuntary incarceration (as the CCP are said to charge the family of executed prisoners the cost of the bullet).
But the only plaintiffs allowed to bring a case into court are Sovereign States that have signed the various conventions, not the incarcerated citizen themselves.

The fine for not isolating was originally set at £500.00, about one hours fee for a top lawyer.

398510 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to karenovirus, 9, #13 of 1678 🔗

I thought about this. I wondered whether Portugal could be bothered. They are going to miss out massively on UK tourism; perhaps a court case might be worth something to them? I read somewhere that Portgual was only included on this list because of ‘its close links with Brazil’.

398585 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Suet, 8, #14 of 1678 🔗

Close links. Across three thousand miles of ocean.
They speak the same language, though.Is it a particularly good one for spreading the bug?

398147 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to itommo, 37, #15 of 1678 🔗

I think one of the most disheartening things about this piece is that the only feasible opposition in the current Two Party politics system called it “too little too late”. How can this madness ever end?

398209 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Van Allen, 36, #16 of 1678 🔗

Given that Labour wanted harsher lockdowns like Spain & Belguim, its clear they couldn’t give a toss about ordinary working people so the only way this will end is with us the people.

398645 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #17 of 1678 🔗

It looking like a straight choice between an early death at the hands of the depopulators or a revolution. Neither is a pleasant prospect, though revolution at least gives the people a fighting chance.

398715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, 12, #18 of 1678 🔗

Agree. Fight for our freedom & rights or die trying.

398991 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rowan, 1, #19 of 1678 🔗

Providing we can get the reopening done before too many people are jabbed.

398190 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to itommo, 25, #20 of 1678 🔗

I don’t think the appearance of consent is rooted in dislike of ‘other people.’ It is rooted in the ancien regime deference that Britain never shook, and has been cultivated over recent decades (at least since 1997) through the great vulnerability-infantilisation move: you are vulnerable; we will protect and look after you in exchange for your dependence and obedience. Add to that a well coordinated propaganda campaign and a good dollop of demonisation directed at us, and you have a total explanation. This is not divine punishment for the naughtiness in our souls. We are the victims here.

398646 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ovis, 7, #21 of 1678 🔗

And the victimisation has only just started.

398207 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to itommo, 29, #22 of 1678 🔗

I see one of the zero-Covid websites is openly arguing that hotel quarantine for international travellers should be permanent .

Perhaps the real motivation isn’t actually anything to do with pandemics though: “Growing numbers of people are already choosing to limit their airplane or car travel due to these activities’ environmental effects.”

398275 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to GCarty80, 19, #23 of 1678 🔗

Until the day they themselves want to get on a plane that is. You can bet your bottom dollar they’ll be checking in business or first class. It’s always the same with these types of schmucks. Rule for thee, not for me.

398337 ▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Vir Cotto, 7, #24 of 1678 🔗

Is there are term similar to “champagne socialist” for those who push elitist policies in the name of environmentalism?

398589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GCarty80, 10, #25 of 1678 🔗

Carrot juice environmentalist?

399696 ▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to GCarty80, 2, #26 of 1678 🔗

Learjet Gretas?

398654 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GCarty80, 7, #27 of 1678 🔗

Restricting travel won’t be anywhere near enough, they want us gone and the vaccines are designed to bring that about.

398244 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to itommo, 25, #28 of 1678 🔗

It’s bonkers. I’d like to see the law that is giving authority to these security guards to forcibly detain you. What happens if a family just walks out? Do they beat people? Handcuff them? Then what…if they’ve committed a crime do they have the police called on them?
The legislation that gives authority to certain people to essentially keep you captive (Police, prison, immigration etc) is really “tight”. Its nothing like these wishy washy laws they’ve brought in so far. It has to be because otherwise they’re kidnapping you. I believe the going rate of compensation for one night of false imprisonment is around £40k.

399793 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #29 of 1678 🔗

Exactly! This is scare tactics. It is voluntary!!

398274 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to itommo, 11, #30 of 1678 🔗

spot on – this lunacy knows no boundaries!
pretty obvious to see they bring in a policy and then extend it unilaterally – they will not lift these restrictions/preconditions for travel so we are basically imprisoned.

398343 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to itommo, 28, #31 of 1678 🔗

And all to keep the stupidity of asymptomatic transmission going. If I arrive at the airport and get a negative LFT test I should be free to go. I have no symptoms. But because they have to keep the yes you feel okay, you tested negative but you could still spread the disease in a asymptomatic fashion going I am put into prison for two weeks. What if I catch covid in prison are you liable for this. Do I have to start again?

Why, when we are in an endemic phase are you shutting down airports? The whole world has it. We all have the same Sars virus. Any mutation wont change that, just add a few more barbs to different variants, if your immune to one the mutation won’t cause you any more grief. So why lock the stable door after the horse has not only bolted, its had its way with the two horses in the next field and won the 3:40 at Kempton. Was a good idea in December, unfortunately that was December 2019.

398452 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Spikedee1, 27, #32 of 1678 🔗

The virus is the pretext for the police state they want to usher in

399280 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #33 of 1678 🔗

You must have been listening to David Icke.

398669 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 26, #34 of 1678 🔗

It wasn’t a good idea in Dec 2019 either. The long planned Covid event isn’t about fighting a virus and never has been. It is about war by governments on their own peoples. The UK government is a particularly egregious example and it has played an essential part in fathering the worldwide Covid scam.

398692 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Rowan, 5, #35 of 1678 🔗

Hear hear

398433 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to itommo, 26, #36 of 1678 🔗

It’s only the beginning. In the end people will beg for their own enslavement.

Food production (particularly meat) and cars are next.

All the covid zealots are just using it to push their agendas. UN Agenda 2030 etc

Unfortunately only blood being spilled is the last resort for liberty to return as it has done historically.

398457 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheBigman, 22, #37 of 1678 🔗

As all our institutions are complicit in this coup it is looking like only a revolution can end it.

398530 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #38 of 1678 🔗

Down downvote debate with me

399524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #39 of 1678 🔗

Can’t argue with thoughts on revolution. It’s become hard to see any other way out of this epic mess.

399167 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to TheBigman, 9, #40 of 1678 🔗

Yes there was an article recently that meat, cheese and diary products would have higher taxes because they contribute to the carbon. You can see where this is all leading! No travel, no meat/diary, no cars – slaves to the system with no leisure and pleasure and you will be happy!

399527 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #41 of 1678 🔗

………and own nothing!

398738 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to itommo, 9, #42 of 1678 🔗

The Canadian story about UBI and debt cancellation against the confiscation of all your property looks more and more credible.
Its other forecasts have already come true, next up is another, surprise, lockdown after the reopening due to further mutations.
I am now hesitantly coming around to believing in the lizard or cockroach story as well….

398932 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to itommo, 7, #43 of 1678 🔗

We all know that the unpublicised small print of all these regulations will exempt politicians, senior civil servants, and that anyone else in receipt of the necessary dispensation from a properly authorised body will not be expected to quarantine. (It was about 4 months ago that this double standard came to light when Tony Blair found himself trying to claim that a trip to a junket in the US constituted a suitable reason for not having to self-isolate for 2 weeks on his return. Until then, the public had been led to believe that the rules would be applied universally.). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/18/tony-blair-asked-health-secretary-covid-rules-us-visit/

399791 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to itommo, 1, #44 of 1678 🔗

Completely unenforceable. Do not be gaslit!

398113 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 54, #45 of 1678 🔗

The government has announced that it has provided vaccinations to all care homes. Yet the number of care home deaths has dramatically increased and so has the number attributed to Covid 19. Care home deaths are now at the highest since May 2020, when a policy of making space in hospitals had had lethal consequences. Doubtless, the lockdownistas will dismiss the obvious correlation as mere coincidence and condemn anyone who suggests otherwise as being guilty of dangerous disinformation. Yet the authorities in country after country have decided against vaccinating those who are sixty-five and over: the category most at risk from the virus. Are those authorities also guilty of dangerous disinformation?

398123 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #46 of 1678 🔗

It’s convenient for ‘those authorities’ to be able to observe the experiment being conducted in a fourth-world hell-hole where old people can be isolated,bullied, tortured and killed ad lib because they are on a par with lab rats.

398425 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Annie, 26, #47 of 1678 🔗

My Mum who is 80 has refuse do the vaccine twice. The problem is she’s in the early stages of Alzheimer’s so the GPs surgery won’t take no for an answer although in my opinion she still has capacity. Her reasons for refusing are because of the experimental nature of the vaccine and possible side effects. The surgery has now contacted my Dad and are sending a nurse to their home to try and coerce her. My Mum is unaware of this and I feel it’s all very underhand. It will hardly be informed consent if she does agree as she’s profoundly deaf so communication with anyone she doesn’t know is extremely difficult.

398439 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to fiery, 11, #48 of 1678 🔗

Tricky. They are sending round a nurse….sinister.

398545 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Two-Six, 12, #49 of 1678 🔗

Yes it’s only one small step from the mental health act being used to enforce compliance.

399414 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, #50 of 1678 🔗

Nurse Ratchet.

398458 ▶▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to fiery, 20, #51 of 1678 🔗

Get the name, job title and RCN number of any nurse they send round. Point out coerced vaccination is not consent.

398594 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to thinkaboutit, 12, #52 of 1678 🔗

Good advice.
Get it all in writing.

399385 ▶▶▶▶ hilarynw, replying to fiery, 6, #53 of 1678 🔗

This appears to be abuse. The fact that your Mum can give valid reasons for refusing the vaccine would appear to me enough evidence that she is quite mentally alert enough to be able to refuse. This seems about as far as caring and protecting our elderly as I can imagine.

I sometimes wonder what my parents who both gave many years in the army during World War II would think of all this. They might well have wondered if it was all worth it.

399412 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to fiery, 2, #54 of 1678 🔗

It is more than underhand, it’s illegal.

399549 ▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to fiery, 1, #55 of 1678 🔗

You don’t have to let the nurse in.
Not in UK, so this may not be quite the same there, but here if a person has an activated Power of Attorney for health, they make the decision. e.g. I make it for husband in care with dementia. Otherwise, the person concerned still has this capacity and he/she makes it.

399687 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to optocarol, #56 of 1678 🔗

The problem is my Dad will let the nurse in as he thinks my Mum should have the vaccine. I live over three hours drive away and although I have POA alongside with my Dad we can make decisions jointly and independently.

399735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to fiery, #57 of 1678 🔗

Yes, I realised afterwards you might not be nearby, so not practical.

399737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to optocarol, #58 of 1678 🔗

PS So, is there a process if holders of PoA disagree? I suspect it could be long and tedious if there is.

398729 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 3, #59 of 1678 🔗

All true, but it’s not just the oldies.

398257 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #60 of 1678 🔗

The authorities are guilty of murder.

398260 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #61 of 1678 🔗

The question is though…is this unusual or is just a normal winter? I need to see other lines on the graph with how many people normally die in care homes each season. None of them are ever coming out of there alive are they? They’ve reached a stage in life where they can no longer live at home or with family so life expectancy is only a couple of years anyway.
I fear we’re just as bad as the covidians trying to attribute all the expected deaths of elderly/vulnerable people to covid if we just start doing the same to “deaths within 28 days of the vaccine are vaccine deaths”.

398280 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #62 of 1678 🔗

We need to see data from care homes across Europe to make this determination. Particularly Northern Europe. If their rates are also high, despite not vaccinating, then you have a stronger case for seasonal mortality being the culprit. It HAS been cold these past weeks.

398323 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #63 of 1678 🔗

It has been cold…but then they’re not allowed out are they? That’d defo be a useful comparison to make.
I would imagine that the deaths attributable to actual vaccination are fewer than the deaths actually FROM covid and we know thats actually a small fraction of the phoney 100k claim.

398368 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #64 of 1678 🔗

I think the point is should we not be discussing this? If this was pure just winter deaths why did it not start in December? 22 old people in the same care home die after the jab, ahh shame, nothing to see here. There is no discussion about this and its being hidden. You cannot get the data, does that not make you suspicious?

398430 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #65 of 1678 🔗

It’s fishier than Captain Birdseye.

398874 ▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Spikedee1, #66 of 1678 🔗

Of course we should be. But shouldn’t we be treating it with the same level of skepticism as we treat other data? We know only too well from the select stats that the Gov and media produce that it’s not the whole picture.
There’s tonnes of data on care home deaths in previous years from the ONS so it is available to compare: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinthecaresectorenglandandwales/2019
Show me that 2020-1 is an anomaly and then I’ll believe it.

398549 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #67 of 1678 🔗


398611 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #68 of 1678 🔗

You have to look at the shape of the curve. Steady trend then inflection point and sudden very steep gradient rise. That just doesn’t happen in the normal run of seasonal viral diseases. Either it’s an artifact or some event caused a radical change or both. Vaccination seems the obvious one. Others (e.g. Xmas) would be unlikely to cause such a sharp uptick. Delayed reporting might cause it but still looks like vax to me.

398747 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, #69 of 1678 🔗

Interesting and very telling!

398115 unintended_consequences, replying to unintended_consequences, -16, #70 of 1678 🔗

While I don’t agree with the plans to bring in mandatory hotel quarantine in the UK, I did an even harsher one on arrival in Singapore for my work: 15 days, no guards required as you cannot leave the room.. your keycard only works once & as a non-resident you can be deported for breaking rules.

Bizarrely, I actually found it quite freeing! Granted it was made easier because there was always an end in sight, unlike the UK’s restrictions. Welcome to have a look here if you want a slightly different take on freedom in quarantine. https://africantime.medium.com/how-i-found-freedom-in-two-weeks-of-singapores-mandatory-quarantine-2db5de17638c

398174 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to unintended_consequences, 28, #71 of 1678 🔗

WTF would anyone be pleased about being locked in a closet?

398219 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to unintended_consequences, 25, #72 of 1678 🔗

“changing approaches to freedom” has to be one of the weaseliest phrases!

Hotel quarantine is solitary confinement. It’s damaging even after only a few days. It’s immoral and unconstitutional.

398262 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to unintended_consequences, 15, #73 of 1678 🔗

You weren’t in Room 101 were you? Do you love Big Brother now?

398358 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to unintended_consequences, 7, #74 of 1678 🔗

Great, I definitely feel better now

398596 ▶▶ Annie, replying to unintended_consequences, 9, #75 of 1678 🔗

Singapore has been an authoritarian dystopia for decades.

398116 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 28, #76 of 1678 🔗

Am I reading this correctly?

Nearly all the newspaper headlines this morning are suggesting there will be an earlier than expected lifting of restrictions, with a move to something like the old normal in May.

This is clearly the message they have been asked to distribute, so I am expecting there will be a formal announcement shortly.

398121 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 32, #77 of 1678 🔗

Sure you aren’t dreaming?
Even if you’re not, May is a bloody long way off. I want my freedom now.
Still, if the zombies even begin to dream of regaining a smidgeon of humanity, it’s all to the good.

398129 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Annie, 11, #78 of 1678 🔗

When I think about it freedoms were never granted mostly fought for.I don’t recall a lot of fighting over the years for mine.It’s all a grand illusion I only ever had permissions lulled and beguiled by the idiot box in the corner.

399540 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #79 of 1678 🔗

A bit of inducement for numbskulls to stay the course and nearer the time new variants will again become legion.

398124 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to SilentP, 34, #80 of 1678 🔗

Need some sort of carrot to keep the donkey moving.Meanwhile another block in the totalitarian structure the government are building gets slotted in,the hotel quarantine system.

398125 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 19, #81 of 1678 🔗

it’s obvious what’s going to happen, isn’t it: all those hotels left empty after the collapse of the hospitality industry will be requisitioned as permanent gulags to house people like us: dissidents and those who the massive brainwashing campaign left untouched. – if you have any opportunity to get out of this country – GO!!

398127 ▶▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #82 of 1678 🔗

Well hope they have plenty of capacity.Not everyone has succumbed to the child like propoganda.

398131 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JaneHarry, 22, #83 of 1678 🔗

Where are you going to go.This is worldwide.You may as well make your stand in familiar territory

399437 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #84 of 1678 🔗

I want the bridal suite.

398162 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to jonathan Palmer, 18, #85 of 1678 🔗

Exactly. This is the push/pull manipulation (staple tactic of sociopath abusers) at play. North Korea does this a lot too. It helps break down many resistors’ will (not all, though). Meanwhile, another brick in that totalitarian structure gets laid: ‘sure, we can incarcerate you, assault you (tests), silence you, fine you, cancel you….’

398255 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #86 of 1678 🔗

But if we all come together there is nothing the authorities can do.

399443 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #87 of 1678 🔗

But they will lose in the end.

398214 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to SilentP, 14, #88 of 1678 🔗

“something like the old normal in May”

They have moved the goalposts so many times that this is just a nice carrot which will turn out to be a stick in time…

398291 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to this is my username, 11, #89 of 1678 🔗

Indeed. We’re dealing with Wile E Coyote logic here, the ‘old normal’ is merely a mirage on the wall for us to slam our faces into.

398413 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Vir Cotto, 8, #90 of 1678 🔗

Correct! The light at the end of the tunnel is not the end of the tunnel, but a great big express train coming down the tracks.

399445 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Vir Cotto, #91 of 1678 🔗

Meep! Meep!

399444 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to this is my username, #92 of 1678 🔗

A stick in time saves nine.

399543 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to this is my username, 1, #93 of 1678 🔗

The problem will turn out be those selfish people who refuse to be vaccinated, so the return to normal cannot proceed. Their way of turning up the heat on those who haven’t bought their Covid nonsense.

398383 ▶▶ stevie, replying to SilentP, 8, #94 of 1678 🔗

Local elections in early May bring your own pen and wear a mask so not quite the old normal then.

398395 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stevie, 2, #95 of 1678 🔗

Oooh let’s all go out and buy one of those huge person sized pens. Be so funny standing outside the booth drawing your X.

399231 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to stevie, 3, #96 of 1678 🔗

It is certain the lifting of restrictions are connected to the local elections. They need the elections to go ahead to validate themselves as democratic. Doesn’t matter who wins, we still lose.

Best thing to do is spoil your paper with a well-written rebuke of the opposition-free political stranglehold which describes itself as ‘free’.

398389 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SilentP, 16, #97 of 1678 🔗

There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift. However once bitten…. Three weeks to flatten the sombrero, all done by spring, just two more weeks, firebreaks, just another month, eat out to help out, mutant strain, a month to break the virus, all over by Christmas, five days for Christmas, lockdown for Christmas, one day for Christmas, a month to break the virus, lockdown to Feb, lockdown to Summer!!!
I trust everything this government says, so reliable. Especially zero covid! Mmmm that’s new.

398478 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to SilentP, 4, #98 of 1678 🔗

Biden has cured the virus. We can all rejoice now that the incompetent Trump, responsible for the virus rampage, has been cleansed, and now Biden has everything in hand. Ct to Zero! Then the pseudo epidemic disappears.

398624 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to SilentP, 10, #99 of 1678 🔗

If everyone has to quarantine then how does that square with G7 shindig in Cornwall. People will see the hypocrisy. All to quarantine in solitary or at least self isolate except for Macron, Merkel Biden etc and their entourages who can swan in and swan out.

398698 ▶▶ Janette, replying to SilentP, 5, #100 of 1678 🔗

Well let’s see what happens when we get to May after all how many times have we been through this scenario in the last year!

398746 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to SilentP, 2, #101 of 1678 🔗

I did notice on the tellybox news last night there was an absence of death-porn and a generally more up beat, positive tone.

399548 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to stevie119, 2, #102 of 1678 🔗

All part of the plan.

398753 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 4, #103 of 1678 🔗

Some somewhat sceptical replies! The reason I posted this is the point that SpikeDee1 picked up:

“There does seem to be a bit of a narrative shift”

That is of interest. The fact that so many of the newspapers had a similar message means that it has been leaked to them.

The one thing that you can consistently trust with the messaging is that when a new angle is emerging, it will be broadcast across then the MSM prior to an official announcement

399104 ▶▶ Edward, replying to SilentP, 4, #104 of 1678 🔗

It’s like that in the free Metro rag, which I pick up on Fridays mainly for the football preview. Some SAGE character, Prof Andrew Hayward, is sounding the optimistic note. Actually I still think all SAGE members should keep their mouths shut – their job is to advise the government, not to cajole the public one way or another. As you say, the message seems to be that things will get back to normal, but it’s all being attributed to the “success” of vaccination, even though actual evidence of that success is questionable. Could it just be a bit of nudging to encourage take-up of the “vaccine”?

399564 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Edward, 1, #105 of 1678 🔗

Perhaps SAGE members are encouraged to make the noises that the government actually wants to hear. The evidence for the success of the vaccination programme isn’t just questionable though, it’s non-existent, as of course is the the reporting of vaccine adverse events, which the MHRA doesn’t think is in the public interest. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

398117 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #106 of 1678 🔗

This is one for the science bods, its heavy reading, so I can’t offer a concise summary.

Molecular recognition in the infection, replication, and transmission of COVID-19-causing SARS-CoV-2: an emerging interface of infectious disease, biological chemistry, and nanoscience

What caught my attention to this was the term nano science the naturalist in me instinctively recoils from such technology, the reluctant conspiracy theorist in me finds it alarming.

In such studies, fluorescence probes and energy donors can be selected from among organic dyes, fluorescent proteins, or brilliantly luminescent semiconductor quantum dots.”

The libertarian in me asserts I don’t want nano technology in me! I’m sure a ‘scientist’ reading this can offer a corporate reassuring interpretation for this paper.

398118 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #107 of 1678 🔗

Rare ‘COVID arm’ side-effect leaves people with huge, itchy, red ‘bullseye’ and hives after getting Moderna shot – but doctors say ‘annoying’ splotch leaves you armless is harmless

I wonder if they will do any research on the carcinogenic side benefits effects in 10-20 years? Not to worry i’m sure big pharma will develop new cancer fighting chemicals drugs to cure treat them if there are any.

398122 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #108 of 1678 🔗

The dictatorship is organising parties in hotels . Don’t be too surprised if nobody turns up

They would have been better off hiring telephone boxes

398128 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 7, #109 of 1678 🔗

Louis IX of France bunged opponents in cells in which they could neither stand, sit or lie down.
They stayed really, really safe. Or rather, he did.

399000 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Annie, #110 of 1678 🔗

You don’t have to go back that far for examples. The SS installed similar”standing cells” in the Punishment Block at Auschwitz.

398299 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Cecil B, 3, #111 of 1678 🔗

I wonder if people will be able to sneak out. In Canada there was a case where someone booked themselves an Uber, and was able to just walk out. Because the staff do not have the authority to actually physically detain them, they couldn’t do anything. I suspect this is not the case in the UK or most countries though, where physical detainment (despite a deadly disease that kills on instant contact don’t you know) is not only possible but encouraged. Those valiant guards will be sacrificing themselves in droves to prevent escapees. Brave, brave souls. I expect many obituaries.

398126 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 37, #112 of 1678 🔗

Quarantine? It’s prison.

398172 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 11, #113 of 1678 🔗

A trial run. Great Green Fascist reset is coming. ‘Guilt free’ energy usage according to Doris and Princess Nut Nut.

399452 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to FerdIII, #114 of 1678 🔗

A windmill in every home.

398249 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PatrickF, 9, #115 of 1678 🔗

A prison you have to pay to stay in.

398301 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #116 of 1678 🔗

Anyone know what happens if you refuse to pay? I’m guessing you just get the bill anyway and threat of imprisonment if you don’t pay it?

398397 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Vir Cotto, 1, #117 of 1678 🔗

I’d not be surprised if they just whack the cost on your tax code. They have the tech to do it in a heartbeat.

399270 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Vir Cotto, #118 of 1678 🔗

The “fines” are not legal.

398130 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 195, #119 of 1678 🔗

Whilst browsing through the comments section yesterday, I stumbled upon an astute observation by one poster who highlighted that wealthy Western nations such as the UK have the “luxury” of being able to lock down. They rightly pointed out that developing nations have more or less been forced to scale back their restrictions, because governments quickly found that going without food is a greater risk to public health than that posed by Covid-19.

In this country we currently have millions of comfortable retirees, professionals paid to work from home and many more in suspended unemployment being propped up by the eye-watering monthly sums doled out by the furlough scheme. These people have no real fear of lockdowns aside from the inconvenience of not being able to go to the pub or book a four-star getaway in the Med. A considerable number of them even bark for longer, tougher restrictions, knowing that they will have to sacrifice little from their places on the lifeboats whilst the less fortunate thrash around in the chilly waters beneath them. Little do they know, every boat is taking on water, some more quickly than others – it’s just not enough of a concern until they realise they’re ankle deep in it.

When you have such a considerable percentage of a population relatively insulated from the economic carnage brought on by lockdowns, a society of slowly boiling frogs is created. In poorer countries, the water heated up so fast that the frog leapt to safety before it was cooked alive. Here in the UK however, we have the “luxury” of being able to be seduced by the constant stream Covid propaganda. We can afford (for now) to be actors in this little soap opera, where we can profess to be playing our part to “save lives.” We don’t see children picking out of bins in the streets (yet), with most of the suffering happening behind closed doors, so we are largely ignorant to it as a society. We can virtue-signal to our heart’s content and attack the heretics, because the true scale of the horrors caused by lockdowns are *just* about swept under the rug by our crooked media and politicians, but even they know this is cannot go on forever. Soon the whole grisly crime scene will be exposed. It will be impossible to avoid it.

Those people who were cushioned from the worst of this last year, those who had the “luxury” of being locked down and those who begged for more punishment will be forced to realise that they were never safe after all; they will undoubtedly have to take their share of the collective pain that will be felt for the next few decades should they live that long.

As the rest of the world opens up to survey the post-scamdemic wreckage, we may find ourselves one of the last countries to emerge – blighted as we are by a lying, corrupt dictatorship and tens of millions of willing collaborators who in time will awkwardly concede that they “were just following orders.”

398139 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Scotty87, 148, #120 of 1678 🔗

So well said. Your posts are always so articulate and engaging.

Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. As I noted on here a while ago, Johnson once said that ‘One person’s cough is another person’s death knell’.

Well, one person’s champagne lockdown with Amazon and Deliveroo, Zoom meetings, WFH, home workouts is another person’s ruined business, destroyed education, deteriorating mental/physical health, devastating suicide.

398144 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 47, #121 of 1678 🔗

You are an extremely astute woman poppy. I really hope that you manage to make it through this mess and enjoy the university life and subsequent success you deserve.

398152 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Will, 88, #122 of 1678 🔗

Thank you for your nice comment 🙂 A lot of people my age whom I know are sliding into hopeless depression and thinking ‘What’s the point’ because they can’t do any of the things that young people should be able to do.

It is bitterly unfair and deeply saddening but ‘the point’ is that our generation is the future – we will soon be running the institutions (if they still remain in any recognisable form after this) and we have to draw upon the privations we suffer now to ensure that this never, ever happens again and that those responsible for this get their reckoning. It is impossible to say now when this will be, but I am sure that opportunities will arise in the future and it is our job to seize them when they do.

398176 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 34, #123 of 1678 🔗

Interesting that Toby et al. won the Cambridge Uni debate.

If your generation can learn the lessons of this shitshow, then some good at least will have come of it. Then you can hold the fort of reason for the next generation coming along after – the small children of today.

398225 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Poppy, 34, #124 of 1678 🔗

I hope, Poppy, that when you and yours are running things, you will remember and say “never again”. All power to you.

398373 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Poppy, 17, #125 of 1678 🔗

Many of us think the same Poppy because they can’t do any of the things OLD people should be able to do.

398382 ▶▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Poppy, 23, #126 of 1678 🔗

I do hope you will consider going into politics eventually. You have an independent and clear mind, can express yourself clearly, and are brave enough to stand up for what you deem to be right. People like you are desperately needed in our politics.

398497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 20, #127 of 1678 🔗

It terrible what these evil psychopaths have done to the lives of young people. However I find this hard to say but given the total dystopia we are in now, I think, in a pretty cynical way that this is almost a good thing.

Something has to happen to counter the situation we are in now which is largely driven by people’s very misplaced blind faith in the state, in Government. Only the very brainwashed and blinkered will be able to carry on thinking that corona bollocks was a good idea.

All this has been allowed to happen by the sleeping sheeple but now everybody is getting a huge kick up the botty, a punch in the face, a knock to the ground and a boot on their faces. Courtesy of our benevolent Government.

Soon hopefully the masses will literally WAKE UP from their soma coma and take back control.

Young people of yesteryear are now the bastards running this shit show and they were seduced into blind faith in the system as they had never been affected by it’s intrinsic EVIL before.

Things are 180 degrees different now, across the board. People have been universally royally crapped on.

398876 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 8, #128 of 1678 🔗

that’s the spirit, rise up and wrench your future back from this evil cabal of geriatric bastards who are trying to steal it from you.

398146 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 19, #129 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown also has little economic burden on the retired and those who live their lives on benefits (recent claimants due to lockdown excepted).

398160 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to karenovirus, 18, #130 of 1678 🔗

My retired neighbours may not be affected financially and are comfortable. However, they rarely leave their house and are getting bored. I fear for their mental health.

398319 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to p02099003, 26, #131 of 1678 🔗

Precisely. I’m retired and so “safe” financially etc thankfully. I leave the house whenever I decide I will personally – but right now (in severe level of Lockdown and not having a car) what that means is 2 shopping trips a week and that’s it basically until the weather gets good enough to go for walks again (yep – Southern English person living in West Wales – so I wait for decent weather to go for walks LOL). That is not my definition of A Life – so yep….bored out of my mind and wanting some company.

398606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 8, #132 of 1678 🔗

Where us West Wakes?I could show you lots of walks down my way that aren’t muddy.

399325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, #133 of 1678 🔗

Cardigan – I have the feeling you’re in/near Tenby – so a bit away from me.

398601 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 3, #134 of 1678 🔗

The remedy is in their own poor stupid brains.

398191 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Poppy, 25, #135 of 1678 🔗

Scott, Poppy

Thank you both for your thoughtful and eloquent posts this morning.

Living & working in the affluent home counties, I would also say that the people I and my wife have personally come into contact with who seem the most oblivious to the carnage either have no children, children at private school or those within the academic circles of Oxford (with whom my job sometimes brings me into contact with).

https://collateralglobal.org/about – are doing a good job of collating stories that are in the MSM (one would like to think the evidence for a future trial!)


398235 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to SimonCook, 50, #136 of 1678 🔗

Being retired doesn’t make us immune from the pain of others. I’m so angry not only for the crushing of our own dreams but for those who have to try and make a living and to bring up their families in this fkin hell hole. Having ones life put on hold when you haven’t got much time left frankly fills me with murderous rage.

398317 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Bella Donna, 51, #137 of 1678 🔗

I’m actually getting sick of suggestions that older people are not as affected by the lockdown restrictions. At the moment I’m just about hanging onto a job and if I lose that I will be forced into poverty. Most of my dreams for this year such as furthering my art career and climbing Snowden and Ben Nevis have been crushed. I’ve had art exhibitions cancelled or postponed and my life is now unrecognisable to what it was 12 months ago. Unlike many people in my age group I have no interest in Saga cruises or similar holidays. Camping and staying in remote mountain bothies is my idea of an adventure but clearly the government wants me to be so unfit and unhealthy that I can no longer do this.

398437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to fiery, 10, #138 of 1678 🔗

Me too!

398695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to fiery, 9, #139 of 1678 🔗

The term pensioner, applied to every older person however active, creative and energetic drives me nuts. a while ago a round the world yachtsman of 80 plus years was described in the press as a … bloody pensioner!

398740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Woden, 7, #140 of 1678 🔗

I find the term pensioner offensive and ‘senior’ is just as bad. When I left my job in the NHS I had another job to go to but because I’d reached a certain age people kept insisting I was retiring. Funny how I now work more hours than n my new job than in my previous one.

398833 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to fiery, 8, #141 of 1678 🔗

Hi Fiery, I honestly don’t think that people (including me) are lumping all the elderly in together. I have posted on this subject but I hope I’ve been clear that the people I’m talking about are the comfortably pensioned. Unfortunately people in this category form a majority of ‘middle England’ opinion and a lot of them are very vocal. I am very aware that there are many other elderly people living in poverty, trying to exist on a state pension and little else or even working well into older age.

We noticed a new food bank has just opened in the High Peak.

Although old, we share your tastes in activities. We were meant to do the Coast-to-Coast walk last year, camping. We deferred it to this year but do not expect it to happen. We are now planning a cycle-wild-camping trip when the weather improves, staying away from official campsites and getting away as far as possible from the shite. Good luck to you. MW

399381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #142 of 1678 🔗

This age specific comfortably of sod everyone else more restrictions please annoys me. We are comfortably off , good pensions etc, nice house n garden etc, but we are both v. working class and have been on board with the sceptical since early 2020. One size does not fit all and we are livid at what is going on and do our best to transgress..

398865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to fiery, 14, #143 of 1678 🔗

of course everyone alive today is affected, and even for the 99 year old in the care home it is an outrageous cruelty that they should be left to die in solitary confinement, but you have to feel more sorry for the younger people, in the same way as you feel more sorry for younger people who die. at least we had some life before this happened to us – they never will now. I look at my 15 month old great nephew (on fucking zoom of course) who is so full of joy, such a picture of light and innocence and purity, and who does not yet have an inkling of the shithole he had the misfortune to be born into, and my heart breaks for him

398250 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 41, #144 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown is a luxury for the wealthy middle-class. ” It is certainly made easier for them, for sure. I am one of those fortunate people. But aside from my own personal feelings about lockdown, it is wrecking the lives of my wife and daughters – as long as that is true I cannot be happy. What baffles me about those who support lockdown is do they not have children, parents, brothers, sisters, grandchildren who are affected badly by lockdown, even if they are not? They pretend to be virtuous but they are actually selfish.

398269 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Poppy, 19, #145 of 1678 🔗

Thank you Poppy. That’s high praise indeed from somebody who has illuminated these boards with wonderfully passionate and emotive posts for a good while now! I hope you and your dear boyfriend are managing to cope in this truly dreadful climate, I’m thinking of you both.

398287 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 7, #146 of 1678 🔗

Well put Poppy. Unless people wake up and realise that this shit show won’t be over.

398644 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Poppy, 9, #147 of 1678 🔗

It’s a luxury for the wealthy middle class but it’s also THEIR death knell. The evisceration of the middle class is the outcome of this – whether one considers it the deliberate purpose or the unintended consequence.

398760 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #148 of 1678 🔗

It’s Bertolt Brecht’s poem becoming reality again.
‘Only the most stupid calves chose (and cheer on) their own butcher.’

398853 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 8, #149 of 1678 🔗

absolutely, and not everyone lives in a comfortable, spacious home with a lovely garden, and a loving family. Far too many live in complete ratholes, dirty, unsanitary, unlovely, no garden, with appalling neighbours and a dysfunctional family, that’s if they’re not in solitary confinement

398168 ▶▶ Will, replying to Scotty87, 24, #150 of 1678 🔗

When I told my mother, wealthy and retired, that the road was shut because of flooding and it made the traffic a nightmare, she asked how this could be, in lockdown. I had to tell her that people can’t afford lockdown because they need to eat. Whether it struck home god only knows but my mother is not someone who lives in an ivory tower and has worked bloody hard all her life so, hopefully, the penny dropped.

398993 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Will, 10, #151 of 1678 🔗

my mother, who I live with, is 80 and gets her information from me and the msm. on the whole, she seems pretty based, considering, but occasionally she will say something that reveals just how much she still doesn’t get it. so when I told her my daughter, 200 miles away was almost in tears because there’s no way she can get here for a visit (neither she nor I can drive – I last saw her in August 2019) she kindly offered herself: ‘she could just say her grandma’s on her death bed’ – I had to point out that it’s actually illegal to travel 200 miles for a final visit to a dying loved one, that’s not considered an ‘essential journey’ and nowadays, unless you are a member of some privileged class who the rules don’t apply to, that could get you banged up.

399413 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #152 of 1678 🔗

My mums 84 and i used to visit once a week ive seen her twice since march 2020, its only 120miles round trip ,i broke lockdown 3 weeks ago early sunday morning attempting to go see her but hit a dead dear on the A35 wrote off my car and fractured my spine and chest bone .Maybe i will not see her alive again but I pray i will. 

399700 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to primesinister, #153 of 1678 🔗

Wishing you a speedy recovery from you’re injuries and I hope you get to see your Mum in the near future.

398173 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Scotty87, 40, #154 of 1678 🔗

Soon the whole grisly crime scene will be exposed. It will be impossible to avoid it.

Well put.

My hunch is that once the restrictions (or at least a good deal of them) are lifted (and they will have to be) and the damage is apparent out in the open, then the pendulum of opinion will swing violently in the other direction – helped along by the dying MSM which is no longer being paid to promote government propaganda, and is therefore all the more dependent on sales and clicks just to prolong their existence.

Sure, a lot of the zombies will never accept how they have been duped; but a lot of people will, and will be feeling pain – a great deal of pain – and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it.

None of us have a crystal ball of course, but that’s my view of where this is going. Sometimes I seriously wonder whether Parliament itself will survive this. A huge political reset is already baked in the pie I would think.

And that’s assuming there are no long-term effects from the vaccines – in my view a relatively benign scenario. If there are significant long-term effects, then Heaven only knows where we will be.

398200 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to TJN, 18, #155 of 1678 🔗

Good morning TJN,

I think your point about the MSM is very astute.

As has been highlighted on this board numerous times before, the Government advertising spend throughout this whole debacle has far outweighed that of commercial businesses (who unsurprisingly reduced theirs).

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

UK advertisers pulled more than £1.1bn spend during Covid lockdown
Government has become UK’s biggest advertiser during coronavirus crisis, figures show

PHE has become the UK’s biggest advertiser during the coronavirus period and spent almost 50% more than the next largest, Unilever , the maker of household products from Dove and Persil to Marmite.
“Public Health England ran an effective campaign to encourage lockdown compliance and raise awareness of best health practices, and its incredible increase in spend reflects the importance of advertising as a communication platform for any public or private body,” Farmer said.
Separately, the government also spent a further £15m on other ad campaigns, enough to make it the sixth biggest advertiser excluding PHE, while the Scottish government increased spend by more than 500% to £6.3m.


398218 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to SimonCook, 15, #156 of 1678 🔗

Yes, indeed. This is one aspect of the shitshow which hasn’t received enough attention.

And of course the government holds the threat of licence fee adjustments over the BBC – which we may be sure they are leveraging to maximum effect.

But this manipulation of the media can’t go on indefinitely.

Edit: And I should have added that it’s almost a cliche to say that in a recession about the first thing companies cut back on is advertising. Presumably the same can be said of governments with massive over-spending problems. Doesn’t look good for the MSM.

398245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 19, #157 of 1678 🔗

Soros and Gates have very deep pockets and their tentacles are spread across the globe.

398503 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #158 of 1678 🔗

It is all paid out of the emergency loans the (private for-profit) Bank of England has generously granted the government to help cover the emergency. The BoE gets probably 0.1% interest on say £250 billion, created by entering the appropiate numbers in a digital ledger. That interest is to be paid by the tax payers, ie anyone left with a job and anyone buying goods/services. What a scam, getting the marks to pay for their own incarceration!

398524 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to SimonCook, 26, #159 of 1678 🔗

This is utterly mind-boggling. Having had my business completely destroyed and now owing a large amount of tax from the last good year, seeing them piss this staggering sum on propaganda is just insulting. Why would I ever trust them with my tax contribution in future? This kind of this really crushes morale.

398631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hughie, 9, #160 of 1678 🔗

It should raise your morale. Even the zombies obviously can’t be kept in line unless they are continually bludgeoned with propaganda.They could swing over to the other side any time. Look at the way the Soviet bloc collapsed. If you turn your people into sheep, you can hardly be surprised if they run away bleating when it’s your own regime that is threatened.

399016 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hughie, 7, #161 of 1678 🔗

it’s far worse than that. your taxes are going on murdering your fellow citizens, wiping out your country ready for whatever they’re planning to ‘build back better’

399101 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to SimonCook, 1, #162 of 1678 🔗

But, as was revealed at an early stage of this debacle, PHE is due to be abolished for being shit-show. Therefore, when its huge propaganda expenditure is eventually acknowledged, the Government will be quick to claim that they’ve now dealt with the problem!

398222 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to TJN, 3, #163 of 1678 🔗

‘Romanian’ or ‘Czech’? […Revolution, that is]

398242 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to popo says, 6, #164 of 1678 🔗

I’m all for Revolution!

398534 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to popo says, 4, #165 of 1678 🔗

I’m all for Romanian revolution with firing squads at the end of it, although I could see an argument for using oubliettes for the guilty.

398240 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 16, #166 of 1678 🔗

What good is Parliament? what good are MPs or even our local councils? It’s all a sham. If only we could galvanize the populace into believing WE can make a change if we all stick together.

398366 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #167 of 1678 🔗

What good is Parliament?

That’s the question that really frightens me in all this. Honestly, and has for since last spring. That’s the real guts of it. To ask that question is to stare into an abyss.

I see no sure footing on which we can move forwards as a society other than government through Parliament, or at least a parliament.

And yet when you look at it, What good is Parliament?

The best we can hope for is that the trouble with Parliament is 90% of the MPs there. Which leads to a whole load of other awkward questions – although conceivably answerable questions, if we as a society are prepared to ask them.

399258 ▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to TJN, 3, #168 of 1678 🔗

The problem is the party system as it stands today. It effectively controls who can stand for parliament and their behaviour. I have never been a supporter of PR as I felt the benefit to stable government from a party system with first past the post was worth it, but maybe PR would be one way of exposing parties to real competition from smaller parties and independents.

399496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to richardw53, 3, #169 of 1678 🔗

I want Parliament to regain itself. But how??

I’m sure you’re in large part correct in blaming the party system and their effectively controlling who stands for Parliament – leading to the nonentities we see in the Commons today. Maybe if the choice was put more in the hands of local party associations (as I understand it used to be) things would be better.

I feel the same as you about PR, but even after what we’ve seen I don’t think I could support it. But you are surely correct to suggest it may be a way of exposing the main parties to proper competition.

Then again, the Farage Brexit Party finally woke up the Conservatives after the 2019 European elections, and forced them to face up to their promises.

I can see the same thing happening again. In particular, the Farage and Fox parties have the potential to split the Conservative vote and drive them out. But it may well be that the current shitshow has fatally and permanently undermined the Conservative vote base. The local elections in May will tell us a lot more.

Right now, it’s difficult to see how we get through this. As an absolute minimum, surely a radial realignment of politics is on the way.

398548 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to TJN, 7, #170 of 1678 🔗

and will be wanting retribution. The continuing shitshow delays this moment of reckoning, but can’t actually prevent it.”

Yes. I have already decided that when the canvassing for the next GE starts I will be sure to be emailing any current MPs in my constituency standing for re-election to tell them that I will not be voting or them because they handed power over to government, then failed to make any meaningful attempt to take that power back and finally they have failed to hold government to account for any of this. They haven’t even whined about not voting on the ramping up of fines.

To those that will be standing for election for the first time for one of the main parties I will be telling them that they do not have my vote because they are representing one of those main parties.

399006 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #171 of 1678 🔗

again I really really hope I’m wrong, but i think by 2024 we and everyone we know will either be dead or in the gulag – we do not have time to wait until 2024

399004 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TJN, 6, #172 of 1678 🔗

I really really hope you are right and I am wrong, but I think it will be a case of too little too late. we are already f****d.

399191 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #173 of 1678 🔗

The next few weeks will tell. At the very least, we should get a strong sense of the drift of events.

I’m hopeful. The storm of criticism against sceptics appears to be burning out. There’s an increasing mood that the restrictions have gone on long enough. There’s rioting on the Continent. We’ll see. I’ve been wrong before.

398186 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Scotty87, 52, #174 of 1678 🔗

I am retired and financially ok, however I have been vehemently opposed to lockdowns since March.

This has nothing to do with my personal situation, more about the massive harm it does across the whole population.

I am of the opinion that lockdown affects everyone, maybe not to the same degree, but it does.

And as lockdowns don’t change the outcome I am against these.

398196 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to MFvH, 46, #175 of 1678 🔗

I haven’t missed an hour of work since March, in fact my family’s businesses have done very well out of the pandemic (convenience stores) and yet like yourself, I am apoplectic at the continued socioeconomic vandalism being inflicted on the population by these fascist oppressors and their cheerleaders.

The problem is, too many people in this country only care about themselves. The continued support for lockdown even today is all the proof you need.

398199 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Scotty87, 52, #176 of 1678 🔗

So agree. I was listening to Mike Graham on talkRADIO the other day and one of his callers was saying he was OK during the lockdown. In fact, he’d never been earning better money and he was a bit miffed at having nowhere to spend it (oh the worries some people have!). He and MG had a right old laugh about this and they both concluded that not everybody is suffering. I nearly hurled the radio across the room when I listened to that little exchange.

The lack of empathy for those who are being hammered by this government’s cretinous policies is truly shocking to behold.

398213 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to kh1485, 10, #177 of 1678 🔗

Plank of the Week?

398264 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to kh1485, 21, #178 of 1678 🔗

Mike Graham was awful yesterday accepting everything that Dr Laurence Buckman chair of the BMJ GP’s committee was saying about the virus. He said that hospitals were overwhelmed with virus patients which is not true. Hospitals are in a chaotic state at the moment because of staff absences for one reason or another. Only 60% patients with virus at the moment either community or hospital acquired. This confirmed right by two family members who are doctors and a GP I know. Their advice, steer clear of hospitals at the moment because you will come out with the virus. If you can possibly be treated at home that is the best option.

And then talkRADIO has the endless propaganda adverts…Can you look…in the eye. Grrrrr!

398314 ▶▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to alw, 14, #179 of 1678 🔗

I stopped listening to TalkRadio a few weeks ago now. I find the only to enjoy their content is to listen to bits and pieces on Youtube, but it could be much worse. I still listen to LBC for about 5-10 minutes in the morning, and almost every day it’s like listening to a circus of pointless discussions and ‘experts’ saying things like ‘we can see the lockdown is working now’ or ‘masks are proving to be quite effective in stopping transmission’ without any rebuttal or counterpoint by the presenter.

You’re better off spending your time listening to intelligent discussions and useful information. For example take any video with Nick Hudson from PANDA and you’ll be in a better mood by the end of it.

398320 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 4, #180 of 1678 🔗

He’s been getting steadily worse. Don’t know if he’s been ‘got’ at or whether he really believes what he is saying.

398277 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Scotty87, 10, #181 of 1678 🔗

Absolutely. The other big “luxury” we have is that we are privileged to be living to old age! Even though many people have lifestyles that have given them heart disease/diabetes II/poor respiratory function/obesity etc.

These are the VAST majority of people being picked off by covid. In developing countries you either die younger or if you live to be older you are likely to be fit & healthy. So they simply don’t have a curve to flatten.

398476 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #182 of 1678 🔗

So very true but it aint’t ‘politically correct’ to say such things.

398283 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Scotty87, 24, #183 of 1678 🔗

Well said. As I’ve always thought, these lockdownistas will be affected one way or another. Economic Armageddon for one – they won’t be able to escape that not with rising taxes or especially when their savings and pensions lose their value. Those in the public sector won’t be able to escape redundancy either, there will be a delayed reaction but you can bet that cuts will start to bite beginning this year.

Plus heaven forbid, when they or a loved one succumbs to an illness like cancer and their beloved NHS puts them at number 1,000,000 on the list and they won’t be seen until 2023!

That said when it comes to developing countries, the biggest cheerleaders for lockdown and restrictions aren’t just the pampered expats but even the well cushioned rich & middle class locals. On my Arsebook feed, I can’t find anyone from my original country who’s against lockdowns because they’re all either rich/middle class or are teachers who are still being paid even though schools are shut. I’ve had to cut off my family for the time being due to their holier than thou posts and the bullying of me and Mr Bart to stay at home and wear muzzles.

The only sceptic I know back home is that friend of mine who’s worried about the economic catastrophe that will befall the world and the harm lockdowns are doing to children (including hers).

398643 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Scotty87, 8, #184 of 1678 🔗

Yes. A very important point. We are cushioned for some considerable time but not forever. The Paraguay article pointed this out. They simply had to abandon lockdown apart from for show purposes as the econony is simple and hand to mouth. They would have starved. South Africa and other African countries likewise. When we have pissed away our centuries accumulated riches and infrastructure we will have to join them. And China looks on and waits…

399455 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Scotty87, 2, #185 of 1678 🔗

And too many bureaucrats, quangos and hangers on.

399523 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Scotty87, 3, #186 of 1678 🔗

Current technology has made lockdown bearable. If so called non essential shops are shut you can buy online or use supermarkets as they now sell so many non food items. For instance, if your kettle broke, you can easily get in in a supermarket rather than an electrical shop. If people can’t meet family and friends they can use zoom or skype. If you don’t want to cook at home but can’t eat out, you can get a takeaway and there are apps available to do orders. Technology enables people to work from home which saves on commuting costs. If you are on furlough, you get 80% of your salary but no commuting costs. With so many businesses closed there are less places to spend your money. If you work from home, only shop online or at supermarkets, you don’t see the economic devestation of lockdown. When I go to my high street, I see closed shops.

Lockdowns are going to hit a lot of people eventually. How many people are prepared to tolerate never being able to travel abroad again. Sooner or later all of us are going to need medical care. How will people react when the health service will not treat them. A contraction in the private sector will hit the public sector. Someone pointed out in a previous post environmental health inspectors will have no work if pubs, restaurants and cafes are closed. The passport office will be hit if people can’t travel abroad.

398133 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #187 of 1678 🔗

These ‘scientists’ fucking about with doses, timings, mixing-and-matching vaccines remind me of this guy.


398145 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #188 of 1678 🔗

What sort of person is going to volunteer to take a mix of vaccines that are already experimental and which were never designed to be so mixed.
The science behind it amounts to no more than ‘let’s give it a bash and see what happens’.

398150 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 7, #189 of 1678 🔗

Yep. Really shows how fanatical people have become about the jabs.

398217 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 12, #190 of 1678 🔗

What sort of person? Look around you the next time you go to a supermarket or High street. The braindead are all around us wearing their masks in the car parks, driving their cars or walking in the street.

398776 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #191 of 1678 🔗

I am done with mankind.
Whatever bad happens, it fully deserves its fate.
Particularly Gens Y and Z.

398424 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to karenovirus, 7, #192 of 1678 🔗

This was exactly my view on it yesterday: This is tantamount to medical experimentation without informed consent.

399472 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #193 of 1678 🔗

Time for Nuremberg 2.0. Start a worldwide petition.

398511 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to karenovirus, 6, #194 of 1678 🔗

The science behind the vaccines is being ignored.Professor Dolores Cahill: Why People Will Start Dying A Few Months After The First mRNA Vaccination: https://brandnewtube.com/watch/sfK2lFUVeYySRqH

398780 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Burlington, 4, #195 of 1678 🔗

I wouldn’t say it’s science or fact, yet, but definetely a risk.
For some it might be worth taking, for most surely not.
It’s definetely reckless and irresponsible to suggest that and act like that risk doesn’t exist.

398748 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to karenovirus, 2, #196 of 1678 🔗

yes, and if you’re killed or injured on the way, jolly good job we thought about getting that civil immunity, wasn’t it!

399434 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to karenovirus, 1, #197 of 1678 🔗


398165 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #198 of 1678 🔗

It is bonkers. Have these people never heard of avoiding too many moving parts?

398318 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #199 of 1678 🔗

It’s like Mengele is running the show…

398329 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #200 of 1678 🔗

And all predicated on unfit for purpose PCR tests!

398539 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #201 of 1678 🔗

“It’s beautiful Dave!”
I love that character 🙂

398774 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #202 of 1678 🔗

The Oxford vaccine stories andvoutcomes remind me of how champagne was invented by Dom Perignon.
Only this time it’s done purposely and solely to put lipstick on a quite obvious pig.

398134 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 72, #203 of 1678 🔗

The talk of zero-covid and the blinkered support for the vaccines is particularly alarming as to me it indicates a shocking lack of understanding of the living world. My working life was spent in agriculture and horticulture and my retirement sees me involved with conservation and wildlife work, one thing this has taught me is that anything living is more complex than you think and that whenever you think you have understood anything you probably have not!
Surely Witty and his team, as medical people, must know that SARS-Cov2 as a respiratory coronavirus is very different to smallpox and yellow fever. SARS-Cov2 is now part of the panoply of respiratory coronavirus which are part of living and breathing air and cannot be eliminated anymore than we have failed to eliminate flu and the common cold. It should be Witty who is calling out zero covid as a scientific/medical nonsense but I think he is too busy enjoying his time in the spotlight and is thus complicit in this nonsense, I am sure he sees a knighthood for himself in the next honours list and possibly an eventual seat in the Lords and for that he is prepared to sell his medical soul.

398135 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #204 of 1678 🔗

Lord Shitty of the Gulag.

398148 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 24, #205 of 1678 🔗

Listening to Mellow Magic radio (yes I know – but sometimes you need something to take the pain away!) and on the news they announced that some expert had stated that you definitely can get a second infection of SARS-Cov2 but that the second time it was usually very mild (or mellow even)

And so SARS-Cov2 is settling down to be a common cold/flu respiratory virus that we can live with as we have always done. Good heavens what a surprise, who would have thought it?

398226 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #206 of 1678 🔗

Yes, we live with viruses. Viruses are part of nature, and aren’t the enemy. By encountering one coronavirus naturally it gives us some protection against the next. Our immune systems are incredibly complex systems, honed to near perfection by evolution and natural selection, and it is only by our interactions with viruses that we thrive.

Assuming that an experimental vaccine will guard us better against what is a relatively mild disease than our immune systems can, is indeed us in our arrogance, not respecting nature, and shows a complete lack of understanding of the natural world.

398795 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #207 of 1678 🔗

What Prof. Gupta said from the start: we only dealt with the flu seasons of the last century quite well, because our ancestors had to deal with and faced rather than run away from the Spanish flu.
More and more smart people are rediscovering the trolley problem recently and that we will most likely have made a gigantic and unethical mistake by having decided to move the
switch, for the first time ever.

398237 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #208 of 1678 🔗

On a related theme I’ve always liked the quote

we are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own food, and stupid enough to eat it

We are the only animals clever enough to manufacture our own vaccines and stupid enough to use them unwisely.

398509 ▶▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #209 of 1678 🔗

What else are we meant to eat? Plants?
Agricultural has been one of the worst decimators of health for us hunter gatherers. Now, after C-19, meat will be weaponised and demonised. . . Gill Bates owns the most farmland in America so he’ll be ok

398442 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #210 of 1678 🔗

We appear to be unwilling test subjects to the biggest science experiment in history. Question; is it possible to eradicate a virus. Well we have a majority of the population stupid enough to follow every test we do. They will isolate, not travel, inject any old shit into their bodies, subject themselves to fucking awful PCR tests and believe the results, even though they are carried out in a tent outside tesco. They will wear masks, keep a distance apart, not meet up in groups, stay away from people they love, remove all social interaction in face to face mode and only talk on-line.
Right we have enough of the population on board let’s see how far can we go. Welcome to Europe, or Petri dish central as its now known. We are never getting out of this.

398736 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #211 of 1678 🔗

I think we have mostly willing (if duped) test subjects in the biggest science experiment in history, but it aint got nothing to do with eradicating any virus

399187 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #212 of 1678 🔗

It’s not an experiment, it’s a depopulation project.

398784 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #213 of 1678 🔗

Roger Koops pointed this out as one of the first, when he reviewed the mask nonsense for AIER.
All of this is basically just a rerun of Don Quijote’s fights.

398138 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 46, #214 of 1678 🔗

Confrontation in the Bakers Shop yesterday

Old git asked my where my mask was

I immediately got aggressive and screamed ” Stand still, stand still, undercover covid marshall”

The OG threw his arms in the air

I flashed my ID and had him assume the position against the walk

” Name? ”

“I’m sorry, I’m sorry I didn’t know”

“Is you journey today essential?”

” Sorry, sorry I’m just shopping”

” I don’t know that do I? ”

“No Sir you don’t. Can I just say I think your all doing a wonderful job”

“Where are your papers?”

I relived him of his wallet, and told him not to move until I returned

It has been reported to me he was still there three hours later

When he went to the council office to get his wallet they were closed

Good bottle of red with my steak last night

398159 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 9, #215 of 1678 🔗

I hope this story is true.

398967 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #216 of 1678 🔗

Of course, it is.

398140 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #217 of 1678 🔗

Story from the times.Government officials are working on a vaccine passport so people can go in holiday this year.

398153 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to jonathan Palmer, 35, #218 of 1678 🔗

This had better not be remotely true. It will mean divorce for me. My husband would take anything that allowed him to go on holiday, even though he thinks it’s all complete bollocks. While I will be injected with an experimental vaccine over my dead body, and more to the point, never, ever allow my children to be vaccinated until I am satisfied that the risk benefit is worth it. Which is impossible until trials complete, at the very earliest.

398170 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to sophie123, 17, #219 of 1678 🔗

They are illegal and cannot be enforced. You could make the same argument about all infectious diseases including diarrhoea or malaria. No symptoms, yet you are carrying the plague, ergo test-vaxx etc. Don’t give in to their demands to ingest genomic altering poisons when Merck has said that your immune system is far better than a vaxx and have stopped all CV vaxx efforts.

398375 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FerdIII, 5, #220 of 1678 🔗

It doesn’t matter that they’re illegal…

The thugs and useful idiots will enforce them anyway… it’ll take a year of legal torment (if you even have the funds for lawyers) for right to prevail, by which time whatever it is you wanted to do (or not do) is a distant memory anyway. And even then, the chances of high court judges siding against the establishment are laughably remote..

399140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to AidanR, 1, #221 of 1678 🔗

Despite the bad or mixed publicity they had, Saga are still pushing their holiday adverts exclusively for people who have been vaccinated. It seems certain that in current law this is illegal discrimination, but Saga may have been given the nod to do this to promote the idea of vaccine passports in advance of legislation to impose them.

399330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Edward, #222 of 1678 🔗

They’re pushing at an open door.

Try advertising vacancies only for those who have not had the jabs.

398229 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to sophie123, 7, #223 of 1678 🔗

I wonder if Ebay might have something for sale ……

398655 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to sophie123, 3, #224 of 1678 🔗

The population of the UK are the trial. If you take the EXPERIMENTAL BIOLOGICAL AGENT for that is what it is. You become the guinea pig!

398158 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to jonathan Palmer, 13, #225 of 1678 🔗

Unfortunately it will be the need to travel that will force myself and my wife to get vaccinated in the end, we have family in Uganda and Canada and in the end will risk the vaccine if it means getting to see them. Mind you by the time International Travel is again possible (if ever) maybe we will have some idea as to what is the safest vaccine option we can get away with. Or maybe we can find some IT wizz-kid in downtown Kampala who can do us a vaccine passport!

398203 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, #226 of 1678 🔗


398328 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bungle, 11, #227 of 1678 🔗

It is a problem to know that even some who are against the vax in principle will take it in fact – and helps worsen things for the rest of us. We all need to hold out against this – not just some of us. Power in numbers.

398345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to ElizaP, 8, #228 of 1678 🔗

I appreciate the point but in the end if it comes down to visiting our twin grandsons or refusing the vaccine? I am afraid the grandsons win. BUT there is a lot of water to go under the bridge before we get to that stage. Certainly I will first look into the possibility of fake/scam documentation. There is a big trade in fake yellow card vaccination certificates in Africa. Then of course at the moment there seems little prospect of any international travel!

398507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, #229 of 1678 🔗

Just go for it!!

398812 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to ElizaP, #230 of 1678 🔗

At some point, everyone will have to decide whether they give in to the likely upcoming coercion and discrimination and whether if not doing so can still change something for the better.
A traditional vaccine should be OK to take medically by then if they decide to give in.
The Novavax one looks OK, but even the Chinese one is preferable to the current experimental gene therapies.

398378 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bungle, 10, #231 of 1678 🔗

Unhelpful, dude.

We are all having – to some extent – to make unpleasant compromises in order to get on with our lives.

Sure, you can choose not to, but isn’t it Steve’s right to make his own choices where the don’t affect you?

398211 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #232 of 1678 🔗

Understandable. But how sad that you would be forced to potentially self harm in order to visit your family

398330 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #233 of 1678 🔗

That’s the thing. If the family really cares about the person then they will tell him not to have the vax and to wait until things are Normal again (even if that means years of waiting before one can fly without the “passport”) – rather than see them go against their conscience/go against the rest of us/risk their health.

If the family doesn’t really care – then the question as to why one would want to visit people with that attitude?

398518 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to ElizaP, 8, #234 of 1678 🔗

Tjhe problem with waiting for things to ‘normalise’ is that many of us don’t have much time left.

Nor do the friends I am desperate to see.

398822 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #235 of 1678 🔗

It’s all relative.
You will also probably own nothing anymore by then anyway, and NOT be happy about it.

398223 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #236 of 1678 🔗

Steve these “passports” will not be enforceable in international law so stick to your guns and don’t get the vaccine. For everyone like you who gives in you make it more and more difficult for the rest of us to stay out of the system they are trying to create – one where you get your vaccine update once a year. This is most likely the mark of the beast.

398332 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to this is my username, 1, #237 of 1678 🔗

Steve might end up having to sue the airline for refusing to let him board, it won’t be Passport Control stopping him.

398380 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to karenovirus, 4, #238 of 1678 🔗

So he’s going to waste an airfare and blow £50k on lawyers to have a futile fight that in the end will only prove that this ‘international law’ on which you rely is a non-binding fantasy? Doesn’t sound very wise to me.

398579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to AidanR, #239 of 1678 🔗

Defeatist – it’s people like you who make resistance so difficult.

398681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 2, #240 of 1678 🔗

You say defeatist, I say realist.

Why expend your energy on fights you cannot hope to win?

If you don’t pick your battles wisely, what chance do you have of winning the war?

398502 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #241 of 1678 🔗

I reckon that as soon as the first covid passport comes out there will be plenty of fakes doing the rounds.

Now I’m not saying I would get a real one though!!!

398800 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, #242 of 1678 🔗

Wait for the Novavax one if you can.

398182 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #243 of 1678 🔗

As in Denmark and Sweden then …

398149 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 13, #244 of 1678 🔗

With regards to “can the government force you to be tested”. The 2020 act is based on the 1984 public health act. The 1984 Act allows for a person who is suspected to be infected with an infectious disease to be subject to certain processes and procedures forcibly, this is not arbitrary but requires a Justice of the Peace to authorise it. The 2020 act has no such requirement.

398167 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to p02099003, 9, #245 of 1678 🔗

Don’t answer your door. Tell them to sod off.

398276 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 9, #246 of 1678 🔗

I consider anything that requires objects to be inserted into my body to be a medical procedure. As such, I am entitlled to refuse to be subject to it.

398290 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to p02099003, 5, #247 of 1678 🔗

Did anyone see the C4 drama It’s A Sin recently? I’d highly recommend it. One of the characters is detained under the 1984 Act for having HIV/AIDS and a lawyer gets him released. Would really like to learn more about the case law as I imagine it’s based on a real precedent.

398825 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to p02099003, 1, #248 of 1678 🔗

The 1984 part of that is chilling….

398151 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 45, #249 of 1678 🔗

Do you feel a major issue is that the bulk of the population accept nasty and draconian lockdown laws without question which wouldn’t be tolerated in other circumstances? For instance, it is accepted that only drivers who exceed the speed limit should be charged with speeding. Imagine if the government said there had been an increase in speeding and to deal with this problem it is decided to charge all vehicle licence holders with speeding through a fine and points on their licence. The government argues that if all drivers are not charged with speeding, the problem of speeding drivers will get worse, will cause accidents and put the emergency services under strain. This would be seen as grossly unfair collective punishment where all drivers are charged with speeding and branded as speeders regardless if they have exceeded the speed limit. The government doesn’t have to provide evidence drivers have been speeding.

My issue with lockdown is that the entire population are branded as disease carriers regardless whether or not this is true and punished for this.  The entire population are put in quarantine and have to endure cruelties such as not being able to see family and friends. The government doesn’t have to provide any evidence people are disease carriers such as tests.  Lockdown is a brutal collective punishment used against the whole population.   Do you feel that many don’t question the ethics of punishing the whole population which is why the government can get away with lockdowns.

398166 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ianric, 12, #250 of 1678 🔗

Fascism; dehumanise, demonise the human or your enemy. Makes it easier to kill/incarcerate.

CV 19 is the preparation for Doris’ Great Green Fascist Reset. You will be dehumanised as a parasite sucking Mommy Gaia’s blood, infecting her with your filth.

398309 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ianric, 12, #251 of 1678 🔗

Of course it’s completely unethical. We are all guilty until proven innocent. But worse than that we have all been sent to prison without trial and we can only get out (only as a group and not individually) if we fulfil a set of arbitrary rules that are constantly changed, haven’t been told what they are or haven’t even been decided yet. We were not given a lawyer to defend us, quite the opposite. We were instead subjected to a 24 hour a day propaganda campaign run by state psychologists so that most of the population believed they were guilty and accepted the punishment without a trial even needed.

398349 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ianric, 8, #252 of 1678 🔗

Brainwashing from early schooling, which conditions children into accepting collective punishment, as well social media, demanding (and getting) conformity, is at the root of this flock mentality of the masses.

398362 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jinks, 2, #253 of 1678 🔗

Brainwashing is what school is for. That’s one of the reasons I’m far less concerned than some about schools remaining closed for the foreseeable.

398394 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 15, #254 of 1678 🔗

yes, I understand where you’re coming from, [my own children were home educated for a while- it was already appalling 20 years ago] but these children whose schools are being closed are not going into some home education paradise,instead they are being wired up to a screen 24/7, junk food on tap, locked up, while their parents struggle to somehow earn a living, or not to tear their hair out – I’m afraid it is child abuse, nothing less – state sponsored child abuse

398438 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to AidanR, -1, #255 of 1678 🔗

Good for you bully boy. And school is also vital in picking up child protection issues. Self absorbed comment coming thick and fast today. For nuking china too now too? Impressive.

398671 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Basics, 3, #256 of 1678 🔗

Bully boy? LOL

399192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basics, 1, #257 of 1678 🔗

Good points, but bully boy, no evidence for that.

398379 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ianric, 21, #258 of 1678 🔗

the problem is that people have no understanding of any concept of freedom, they don’t value it, and don’t realise that life without it is nothing, a worthless, living death. They have it ass about tit: the idea is not that the government ‘allows’ us things, it is rather that we allow the government to encroach on our freedom, our fundamental, inviolable freedom, which is ours by birthright, by a laborious process known as the rule of law: we accept a limited range of clearly defined prohibitions, such as laws against rape, murder, theft, assault, and an even narrower range of coercions, such as paying taxes. [and these encroachments, unlike freedom itself, are by nature provisional, negotiable, temporary] A free human being has dignity and stature; the opposite is a slave, which has none, which can scarely be called human at all, but is a chattel for his master to dispose of as he wishes. I don’t know how people who claim to be appalled at the slave trade can fail to grasp this, or apparently not have any sense or feeling for what it means not to be a slave.

398154 Uncle Monty, replying to Uncle Monty, 20, #259 of 1678 🔗

This ‘digital vaccine record’ was the game all along:


This is how it will eventually transmogrify so that it doesn’t get ‘lost’:


Imagine having the foresight in 2019 to realise that a rapidly mutating virus would require a regular vaccination to enable foreign travel and to access public facilities.

No prizes for guessing who funds each of these initiatives.

398195 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Uncle Monty, 11, #260 of 1678 🔗

“regular vaccination” – should be “regular software update” because these guys are injecting you with mRNA gene therapies, and the companies refer to them as “software of life”

398208 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to this is my username, 7, #261 of 1678 🔗

They won’t be injecting me.

398224 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #262 of 1678 🔗

Nor me – this is most likely the Mark of the beast.

399715 ▶▶▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to this is my username, #263 of 1678 🔗

Sure seems like it.

398205 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Uncle Monty, 10, #264 of 1678 🔗

Of course it was. I saw what was going on last March. This has nothing to do with our health, it was always about climate change and making us change our lifestyles. Its so blatant now!

398261 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #266 of 1678 🔗

Our chance to avoid all this was sometime ago when we all could have switched from using Microsoft products. If only we could have known that by using windows we were funding Bill Gates plans to control every human on the planet. You see there all the others involved in this control agenda – how do we stop funding them?

398374 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 6, #267 of 1678 🔗

Been using Linux since 2005
Not my fault

398435 ▶▶▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #268 of 1678 🔗

Yeah I switched to Linux in 2018 – haven’t looked back since. I was always opposed to Win8 and Win10, so transitioned straight from 7 to Mint. I know it’s not a ‘hard man Linux’ like other distros, but I absolutely love working on Mint.

398569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Vir Cotto, 2, #269 of 1678 🔗

I had planned to shift to Linux after 8.1, but unfortunately I have to use the computer for work, and ended up with a windows 10 pc. At some point I’m going to try Linux and see how I get on with it.

398593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to this is my username, 2, #270 of 1678 🔗

I am really getting to like Linux. The only reason I still use WIn 7 on this PC is for gaming and not because I can’t do just about all the games I play under steam on Linux. It’s works well, it’s just multiplayer stuff that needs a Windows client. For all the other stuff Ubuntu is amazing. I can get any kind of software to do anything I want to do. Linux is also great for older hardware, much lighter to run than Win10. It’s very reliable too.

398677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Two-Six, 1, #271 of 1678 🔗

And much more secure than Windoze.

398565 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #272 of 1678 🔗

Not anyone’s fault, Crystal Decanter, just that we can see now that we were funding a dangerous man like Gates who has an agenda.

398325 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Uncle Monty, 5, #273 of 1678 🔗

I’ve been watching The Expanse recently, a sci-fi show set some hundreds or more years in the future. Although Earth is not part of the main story, the world building is quite rich. Earth is depicted as having an entire underclass of people living on something called ‘Basic’, where housing and food is provided to those without work because unemployment is rife. There is also this government messaging about ‘getting registered’ because apparently undocumented individuals (aka off the grid) still persist in that future. It looks like we sceptics are going to be the ‘undocumented’ of that future.

399322 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Uncle Monty, 2, #274 of 1678 🔗

He has transposed the Microsoft business model to public health.Every year our operating systems will have to be updated with anti virus software.
Immune system/ vaccine.

398155 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #275 of 1678 🔗

Another first class edition of LS today. No hint of appeasement.

398157 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #276 of 1678 🔗

But still no coverage of the fact that the First Minister of Wales says delivering election leaflets is not consistent with the lockdown. Presumably this means that all political leaflet delivering by volunteers is now illegal in Wales.

398201 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #277 of 1678 🔗

They can’t have it all ways either delivering leaflets are illegal or they are not.

398204 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #278 of 1678 🔗

Volunteers delivering leaflets is what Dripford was pronouncing upon. He says parties and candidate should pay for such leaflets to be delivered by delivery companies. Of course, Labour and the Tories can afford this – smaller parties can’t.

398827 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #279 of 1678 🔗

They are afraid of lockdown sceptics distributing their leaflets instead…

398161 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 34, #280 of 1678 🔗
398164 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basileus, 10, #281 of 1678 🔗

Great stuff. Thank you for posting.

398197 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #282 of 1678 🔗

I wouldn’t have served the police either. All we have to do is back each other up whenever you see anything like this. The police need to know there will be consequences!

398169 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 9, #283 of 1678 🔗

So do I …

398178 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Basileus, 7, #284 of 1678 🔗


398180 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 23, #285 of 1678 🔗

The Plod dumb as door knobs. Enjoying their unlimited tyranny. Feel powerful and important. Good that some people educated the idiot. Time to end this. Now.

398187 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, 17, #286 of 1678 🔗

Indeed. They’re quite happy to throw their weight around now with blameless shopkeepers. but faced with a real criminal and they just roll over to have their tummies tickled.

398185 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Basileus, 22, #287 of 1678 🔗

Quick question in response:
Has the law changed? The original SI stated that shop workers and those going about the business of running things didn’t have to wear a mask.

Also, the £10k fine is nonsense too, isn’t it?

The fact that the police don’t know the ins and outs of this scam is one thing. But the fact they don’t know the law is eminently worse.

399186 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #288 of 1678 🔗

Plod rarely know the law very well, they’re just glorified security guards with terrible attitudes.

398212 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 9, #289 of 1678 🔗


398327 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Basileus, 7, #290 of 1678 🔗

excellent – the police are brainless, aggressive thugs in uniform. I used to respect them but not any more, wouldn’t trust them an inch.

398359 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Basileus, 2, #291 of 1678 🔗

Plod scum.

399273 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AidanR, #292 of 1678 🔗

Plod should be referred to by their other well known handle, the filth.

398370 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Basileus, 11, #293 of 1678 🔗

“There are people dying”, I would quite happily add to that number if someone said that to me. Maybe they are unaware that there has always been people dying, thick twat he was. I have a deep hatred for people who love a bit of power and wield it about like a badge of honour. Maybe that cop should think about losing some weight if he is so worried about the rona.

398441 ▶▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #294 of 1678 🔗

It’s basically the same as this old chestnut:

398409 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Basileus, 3, #295 of 1678 🔗

The masks are so important to them that the policeman in the background stands there with his one under his nose…

398708 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Basileus, 3, #296 of 1678 🔗

It just proves that one in four police cuntstables are just as thick and stupid as the other three.

399159 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Burlington, #297 of 1678 🔗

Hahahahahaha! Nice.

398961 ▶▶ M_Aurelius_knew, replying to Basileus, 2, #298 of 1678 🔗

A policeman walks into a bookshop and says, “Can I have a book please.”

399150 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to M_Aurelius_knew, #299 of 1678 🔗

Would you like a book for Christmas? – No thanks, I have one already.

398163 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 11, #300 of 1678 🔗

Covid dashboard link ATL is a good link – however the data is wrong. Average flu deaths in the UK past 5 years must include flu, pneumonia and respiratory deaths. This is after all what a flu virus is and the cause of death. When you add those 3 together you have a trebling of their data and this is important when graphing CV deaths (1/2 at least have nothing to do with CV) to flu-resp-pneum.

2017: 87 K
2018: 91 K
2019: 85 K
2020: 65 K

At least 25 K of the CV dead last year is from flu etc.

398336 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 1, #301 of 1678 🔗

I’ll add this

398866 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #302 of 1678 🔗


398864 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to FerdIII, #303 of 1678 🔗


398171 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #304 of 1678 🔗


‘Komsomol at first used its travel agency Sputnik in an attempt to strengthen the relations with youth organizations in other Eastern Bloc countries, and how, having failed in this, turned to exploit tourism for earning hard currency and rewarding party members……..the Soviet attempt to use the camp for promoting a positive image of socialist progress in the USSR collided with the perception of foreign visitors. The Soviet failure to understand the negative reactions of foreign visitors solidified the perception of the USSR as a fossilized and stereotyped society.’



‘The NHS England state health authority used its think tank agency SAGE in an attempt to strengthen the relations with public sector workers in other industrial sectors…….the state broadcaster’s failure to understand the negative reactions of the diminished private sector solidified the perception of the DSSUK (Democratic Socialist State of the UK) as a fossilized and stereotyped society’

I can see how a lot of this government’s policies might appeal to a certain sector of the British population……but that sector is not the one that voted them into power and, typically, never votes Conservative. That is why the opposition consistently outflanks the government in insisting on tougher restrictions. This is not a battle that the Conservative (Socialist Workers) party can ever win.

So who do they really think will vote for them now?

398177 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #305 of 1678 🔗

they don’t need to worry about that. by 2024, most of us will either be dead or in the gulag

398192 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #306 of 1678 🔗

Super Thursday (06 May) local, London and Scottish elections approach and there can be no wriggling out of it:

‘Last week, Nicola Sturgeon said she could see “no reason” why the Scottish Parliamentary elections – under the control of Holyrood – “at this stage” should not go ahead as planned for May.

The First Minister pointed out that there had been “elections in many other countries over the course of the pandemic”.’


‘England confides that every man will do their duty’

‘Engage the enemy more closely’

398355 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tim Bidie, -2, #307 of 1678 🔗

‘Super Thursday’? Please….

398179 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 21, #308 of 1678 🔗

Zahawi is reported here as saying no lockdown lifting until everyone over the age of fifty has been vaccinated. I guess you’ll have to blame me for the lockdown this Christmas. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-vaccine-minister-all-over-age-50-must-be-vaccinated-lockdown-lift-begins

398183 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 18, #309 of 1678 🔗

They will have to kill me first

398184 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #310 of 1678 🔗

Plenty of Spartacuses (Spartaci?) will stand with you 🙂

398194 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #311 of 1678 🔗

I’m sure he must mean everybody over the age of 50 has been offered the experimental vaccine?

By turning it down you are therefore doing your public duty to speed up the lifting of the lockdown, as there will be less over 50s to experimentally vaccinate.

I shall make the same sacrifice as you, by turning down the experimental vaccine.

398202 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Freecumbria, 18, #312 of 1678 🔗

Zahawi strikes me as the sort o f guy who thinks the Nuremburg Code is quaint and old fashioned.

398210 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #313 of 1678 🔗

Along with silly outdated notions like freedom, justice, courage, honesty, tolerance, compassion…

398293 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #314 of 1678 🔗

Zahawi is from an alien culture with a set of beliefs that are inimical to British common law and our traditional liberties. What else did you expect?

398215 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #315 of 1678 🔗

Tells you all you need to know about this little shit

In 1991, Zahawi and fellow Kurd Broosk Saib were aides to Jeffrey Archer during Archer’s controversial “Simple Truth” campaign to help Kurdish victims of the Gulf War . Zahawi and Saib were nicknamed “Lemon kurd” and “Bean kurd” by Archer. [4

398628 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Cecil B, 1, #316 of 1678 🔗

one thousand upticks Cecil

398221 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #317 of 1678 🔗

During the time he was on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee he was also chairman of the secretive trans-Atlantic group Le Cercle but did not declare his membership. [17] In 2019 a member of his staff was listed as an administor of Le Cercle in the Parliamentary Register of interests. [18]
In January 2016 and as one of 72 MPs who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property, Zahawai voted down an amendment in Parliament requiring rental homes be “fit for human habitation”. [19]

398347 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #318 of 1678 🔗

I wondered exactly how to interpret that phrase. Should I interpret it as being “all over 50s have been offered the vax” or “All over 50s will have the vax”? I interpreted it as meaning = all over 50s to have been offered the vax and hope that is the correct interpretation. As we know, after all, the vast majority of those in the currently vaxxed agegroups have had the vax one way or another – thus the question for them is as to whether they had it voluntarily or were they forcibly shoved into it by uncaring care homes or relatives? So chances are that the younger age groups (ie 50-69) will also show the majority of them choosing to have it voluntarily (as opposed to being pressganged into it or deciding against it). Surely the vast majority having been done = we can all be let loose again (including those of us not “done”).

398483 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to ElizaP, 4, #319 of 1678 🔗

Wouldn’t get your hopes up, reported in the Times yesterday, comment by Nadhim Zahawi who said that anyone who hasn’t taken up the offer of a vaccine could get a knock on the door from council staff to “persuade” them to have it. He told MPs that he wanted to use local authorities to find those who had refused the jab and determine what might then convince them.

398532 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #320 of 1678 🔗

Oh no council staff!! Doris from accounts who has been WFH for a year will realise none of her work clothes fit her anymore but will be knocking on your door in her track suit (very stretchy) to ask if you have any biscuits and ooh what was it, oh yes could you go and have your jab?

398719 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #321 of 1678 🔗

If Doris from accounts is a member of a professional accountancy body, I will be reminding her that when the SHTF, I will be lodging a complaint of professional misconduct against her with her professional body.

398627 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #322 of 1678 🔗

hahaha! How about council staff get on with what I am paying them to do and fix a few potholes and pick up the litter in the verges?

398456 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #323 of 1678 🔗

All your fault, Londo.

“As I look at you, Ambasador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sounds of billions of people calling your name.”

“My followers?”

“Your victims.”


398517 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #324 of 1678 🔗

Are they vaccinating all the people who have been ill and recovered from covid? Er why? If the job of the vaccine is to reduce the symptoms and give you immunity surely having had the disease does exactly the same thing?
Also what are the triggers for freedom? If having all the over fifties “safe” means we can release the population does this not imply everyone under fifty is not at risk? So why can’t they be released now? Why are schools, colleges and universities shut down? Surely they cannot be at risk?

398843 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #325 of 1678 🔗

They are welcome to stick it in my arm. But they will have to cut it off first.

398181 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #326 of 1678 🔗

Our homes are prisons. The hospitals are prisons. The hotels are prisons. The care homes are prisons. The country is a prison

Soon we will all be murdered if we don’t do anything

398198 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 7, #327 of 1678 🔗

Keith C*ntabout articulates it well:


398271 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bart Simpson, -3, #328 of 1678 🔗

Never mind that spiv wanker Toby Young getting into the House of Lords.

Andrew Lawrence should be a mile ahead of him in the queue. He’s been an absolute superstar throughout this horror show.

398723 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AidanR, #329 of 1678 🔗

If he is a “spiv wanker”, why are you frequenting his site?

398742 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #330 of 1678 🔗

For the charming, intelligent people below the line, of course.

398188 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 12, #331 of 1678 🔗

You begin with the BBC – was there nobody less reliable available? It talks about ‘coronavirus hotspots’. There is no such thing as Coronavirus, it is a term covering many viruses. If you mean SARS-CoV-2, then there are no hotspots as the tests being used (PCR) are not fit for purpose.

398463 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Bungle, 1, #332 of 1678 🔗

I’m still surprised the BBC actually refutes that there was a Christmas surge. If anything, they’d be the first outlet to push the idea. Things are… looking up? Or a sideways glance maybe?

Nah, probably not.

398543 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bungle, 1, #333 of 1678 🔗

And could the “hotspots” have anything to do with your moonshit mass testing to squash the virus?

398189 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #334 of 1678 🔗

Meanwhile rubber dinghies are welcome and your stay won’t cost you anything.

398206 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #335 of 1678 🔗

Come in on your lilo, no need to lilo.

398220 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #336 of 1678 🔗

There are even prizes for the ones making it to the UK shores!

398232 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Bella Donna, -7, #337 of 1678 🔗


398365 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #338 of 1678 🔗

Ignore the working class poor
Come on in on a floating door

398193 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 38, #339 of 1678 🔗

Work zoom meeting yesterday which degenerated into chit chat about vaccines. Lots of whooping about how we’re on schedule and the millenials squealing about looking forward to their dose.

As they were all so positive I didn’t want to ruin their illusions by asking about the following:

  1. Are you all aware that the vaccine will not be the end of the restrictions?
  2. Are you all aware of the side effects especially those that will impact the young – i.e. Bell’s Palsy? Infertility? Narcolepsy?
  3. Why are you so eager to get a vaccine for something that has a 99.98% survival rate and that there’s a 99.9% that you’ll get it but where the side effects could be for life that threatens your chance to be in employment and live your life?

And note its the millenials who seem to be taken with this vaccine as the magic bullet idea. Shows what a roaring success Blair’s educational policies were (sarcasm).

As always discuss.

398233 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #340 of 1678 🔗

I think if it had been me I’d have asked those questions, would have been amusing to watch their faces and reactions.

It’s not just the millienals who are keen on being jabbed, most of the people on Facebook keep happily declaring they’ve had the jab or it’s been booked in and how wonderful it is.

Makes me despair to be honest.

398295 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ambwozere, 4, #341 of 1678 🔗

Saw that on Arsebook. To this day I don’t know of anyone who has had the virus but I know of people who have had the jab. Why?

And marking it as a badge of honour was desperately sad frankly.

399183 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ambwozere, #342 of 1678 🔗

I was at an online meeting yesterday of a committee I’m a member of. No mention of coviebollocks, but in previous emails the secretary of the group (50ish) has hailed the introduction of the “vaccine” and said that his parents have both received it. We lockdown sceptics sometimes play the “medical confidentiality” card (quite rightly) in relation to strangers asking us about mask exemption, so I think it’s unethical for somebody to pass on medical information about others. On this site I might mention medical information about people of my acquaintance, but not in such a way that they could be identified. However those who regard being vaccinated as something to shout from the rooftops can’t complain if others also pass on the information.

398246 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #343 of 1678 🔗

Any smokers amongst your colleagues? Ask them to inhale, put on their mask and then exhale. Proof masks don’t work, millenials!

398298 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 1, #344 of 1678 🔗

None sadly. But loads of social drinkers.

398577 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to PatrickF, 1, #345 of 1678 🔗

I tried this with cloth and paper masks – do it don’t work – the masks that is.

398247 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #346 of 1678 🔗

Our call a couple of weeks ago degenerated in to just such talk. All hope on the vaccine.

I killed that dead by asking why would you want to take a vaccine with a 60% chance of prevention when you have an immune system that offers 99.8% chance of protection?

Erm…. although I think it may have flushed out a sceptic or two…

398288 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 10, #347 of 1678 🔗

I’ve tried pushing very gently in the sceptic direction on these calls, and quickly realised that it’s utterly futile. It’s just another reminder that your colleagues are not your friends, and never the twain should meet.

398308 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 9, #348 of 1678 🔗

The reason why I kept quiet this time was because the last time I asked roughly the same questions, it didn’t go down well.

Many of my colleagues don’t like hearing stuff that they don’t agree with. They were the same with Brexit and Trump plus they’re rabid lockdowistas. Even the threat of redundancy never woke these people up.

398285 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #349 of 1678 🔗

Make sure you mute and close your camera before having a danger wank on the other laptop.

398324 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #350 of 1678 🔗

Well, the more people thera are who take the vaccine sooner, the earlier we will find out what the effects are.

398333 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rockoman, 4, #351 of 1678 🔗

True. It will be interesting how many of my millenial colleagues will be desperate enough for the jab then have a rude awakening of its side effects.

398334 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #352 of 1678 🔗

People are even given a sticker when they’ve had the vaccine. Sadly I’m only one of two people in my workplace who’ve refused the deadly injection.

398372 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to fiery, 1, #353 of 1678 🔗

Have no idea who else in my work has refused the vaccine apart from me but thankfully its not mandated at my workplace.

398335 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #354 of 1678 🔗

and they still won’t get their 2 weeks in spain this summer, or indeed next summer at this rate without jumping through hoops and imprisoned on return!

398371 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #355 of 1678 🔗

Exactly. And its not as if we can breathe easy either as more redundancies could still be in the cards if we don’t go back to the Old Normal.

398367 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #356 of 1678 🔗

Why are you so eager to get a vaccine for something that has a 99.98% survival rate and that there’s a 99.9% that you won’t get it but where the side effects could be for life that threatens your chance to be in employment and live your life? – DOH!!!

398377 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #357 of 1678 🔗

If antibody dependent enhancement occurs when a vaccinated person encounters a mutated version of the virus then Bells Palsy, infertility and narcolepsy will be the least of their worries. Having stronger immune systems will mean it will be worse in the young and the death toll could be horrendous.

398400 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chicot, 4, #358 of 1678 🔗

Good point. It will become like an addiction where their immune systems are so compromised that they will need booster shots every year because their bodies won’t be able to fight off even a simple cold.

398216 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 9, #359 of 1678 🔗

The Toby Young bit about his privileged Oxbridge chums is sickening

398266 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bungle, 4, #360 of 1678 🔗

Especially when it’s back to back with pieces about some of the most egregious infringements of our personal freedoms that have ever been seen in Britain.

I have said here repeatedly, that Toby is far too interested in keeping ‘his betters’ onside. to truly commit to this or any other anti-establishment cause.

398227 Polonium1806, replying to Polonium1806, 9, #361 of 1678 🔗

So far, so good for the government. Public is seemingly behind even harder restrictions, newspapers love it opposition in the Parliament, well, it does not exist. Money is no issue, no one is challenging contradictory statements, I don’t think anyone remembers them anyway, so much is thrown around every minute.the best tactic seem to be just to ignore and why not if no one is really challenging? But every stick got two ends, while managing by fear is like addiction, at some point they will be faced with a wall – if we are doing great why so many deaths, record cases? How to sell it as a success? You can’t have both, highest numbers and biggest win. Also it clearly shows that boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.

398248 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Polonium1806, 3, #362 of 1678 🔗

The paid bots, maybe, no one else is behind harsher restrictions.

398346 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to DanClarke, #363 of 1678 🔗

A comforting conceit no doubt, but almost certainly wrong.

398356 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to DanClarke, -3, #364 of 1678 🔗

Plenty are behind Harsher restrictions you are deluded

398363 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Polonium1806, 4, #365 of 1678 🔗

Good morning Polonium. I enjoyed your post.

You express very concisely the sense of hopeless entrapment that I feel in relation to the irrational and destructive policies that continue to rob me of most of the things that make my life meaningful. Almost everyone I speak to is deeply frightened: healthy people in their 30s and 40s and 50s, truly believing that if they gave me a hug or came to my house or invited me into theirs, they would be likely to die as a result. They are addicted to the fear; politicians, police, the media etc are addicted, as you say, to managing by fear. So, it encourages me that you point out that the fear-technique is unsustainable: ‘they will be faced with a wall.’

But most of all I like your final sentence: ‘boundaries are important and when no obstacles to think around it makes poor art.’ Lovely.
Indeed some extremely bad artists are hogging the paintbox.

399236 ▶▶▶ Polonium1806, replying to Alethea, 1, #366 of 1678 🔗

Thank You for your kind words, I just hunt for any ray of hope I can find and decided that I’m not going to be drawn into apathy and depression, that would be what overlords want and I refuse.

398228 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 5, #367 of 1678 🔗

CDC Admits To 329 Recorded Deaths So Far From COVID MRNA Jabs

Worth a read.

398364 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basileus, 3, #368 of 1678 🔗

This is not an influenza vaccine.10 times deadlier.The concern is what described as lifethreatening 272 which I assume is anaphylaxis reacton needing urgent treatment.That is at least 10 times more anaphylaxis than flu vaccine probaly even more. The main concern is the risk of ITP idiopathic trombocytopen purpura which is autoimmune reaction probaly more common in younger.The Florida physician died of a fulminant ITP after vaccine Pfizer. Let us hope we won’t see an epidemic of ITP in half -one years time in younger persons.

398562 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to swedenborg, 4, #369 of 1678 🔗

Oh bollocks just when I think I have a good idea of medical talk you throw 6 new words I have to go and look up.

398401 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, #370 of 1678 🔗

Wonder how many people died OF Covvie during same time period.

398230 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #371 of 1678 🔗

I won’t re post it here but if you want to know what sort of a bum Zahawi is visit his Wikipedia page

398348 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cecil B, 1, #372 of 1678 🔗

I did so yesterday and posted some excerpts from his profile here. What surprised me was th bannerhead warning on the profile:

This article may lend undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies .

Something that I have never seen before. If you do as Cecil suggests, and I highly recommend that you do , you will see why that warning is there .
On the basis of the information provided publicly by Wiki and substantiated in the references, a less honourable member of parliament, and of Govt , it would be difficult find – in my opinion , (which might be prejudiced of course.).
Am I right in thinking that he has set up a company dealing in medical equipment?

398231 DanClarke, 5, #373 of 1678 🔗
398236 DanClarke, 4, #374 of 1678 🔗

,Hotel Quarantine sounds like another revenue pot filler, but take a dinghy ride and you get free accomodation and in a holiday camp now, not the ‘not suitable’ army barracks that are now burnt out shells.

398238 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 4, #375 of 1678 🔗

That piece by Toby made me want to vomit in my coco pops. What a fucking spiv.

399404 ▶▶ Woden, replying to AidanR, #376 of 1678 🔗

This term spiv, is it from a particular historical epoch?

399521 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Woden, #377 of 1678 🔗

Early C20th, surely? Mostly known nowadays from its use in Dad’s Army for the wide boy character, I think.

398239 l835, replying to l835, 42, #378 of 1678 🔗

I had my first taste of trouble for not wearing a mask last night, although I wasn’t there.

Having shopped at M&S I return my car, when a Liverpudlian chap tapped on my window. “Thought you might like to know an old dear had a go about you as you left” he said. Apparently she announced it was “idiots like that who are CAUSING the virus” the gent who was also unmuzzled but wearing a lanyard went to my defence and pointed out she didn’t know if I had, for example breathing problem. Granny replied that he was “EXCUSED” as he had a lanyard, to which he retorted he’d got it off the internet for 50p! Granny shuffled off muttering it was still my fault as I didn’t have a lanyard.

Which I’d seen it, thank goodness for scousers everywhere!

398267 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to l835, 30, #379 of 1678 🔗

A surprise person defended me the other day too. I went into Tesco and the bloke on the door asked me if I had a mask, to which I replied ‘I’m exempt’. There was no problem, but to my surprise a lady turned to the security bloke and said to him quite angrily, ‘what do you want him to do, wear a big bloody badge?!’

398376 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #380 of 1678 🔗

If that happened to me, I’d buy the woman a bunch of flowers (handily placed by the entrance at Waitrose).

398399 ▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 3, #381 of 1678 🔗

Which goes to show that there’s no zombie like an old zombie.

398488 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to l835, 5, #382 of 1678 🔗

Quite literally the Nazi grannies of our times. The old witch came down from her tower to procure the breaded fish of Marks and Spencer. She witnessed the great unwashed, amongst them was one un-muzzled riff raff. Ah-hah! It was the much talked about covid denier, the super spreader – those that Piers Morgan keeps talking about! Point and scowl. I spit my last breath, at thee!

398575 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Vir Cotto, #383 of 1678 🔗

KHAN!! Oh I am going to have to dig this out to watch this again. What a great film. Try not to cry at Spocks funeral this time!

398241 Londo Mollari, 10, #384 of 1678 🔗

Time to put Boris and all the others on trial? https://www.rt.com/op-ed/514625-uk-coronavirus-political-leaders/

398243 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #385 of 1678 🔗

Traffic tailback of 6 miles near Coleshill (M5/6).

398396 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #386 of 1678 🔗

Well, the traffic wasn’t going anywhere and so the people in the cars were Staying Safe.

398252 Victoria, 4, #387 of 1678 🔗

Scientists Have Created Coronavirus That Escapes Antibodies ~ Lab Just Made a More Dangerous COVID Virus ~

Scientists are already cooking up more virulent and lethal versions of SARS-CoV-2

By serial passaging live SARS-CoV-2 in plasma obtained from a recovered COVID-19 patient that had high amounts of neutralizing antibodies in it, the virus ended up mutating to evade the antibodies

The SARS-CoV-2 variant they created bypasses acquired immunity or negates the immunity you normally would have after recovering from the infection. As such, it could be extremely lethal

Since the virus can mutate to evade neutralizing antibodies, it could potentially mutate under the “selective pressure” of vaccination as well

Two prominent figures during the COVID-19 pandemic have been Dr. Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak, both of whom have much to gain by misleading the public and the world about SARS-CoV-2’s origin, as they may both have been involved in its creation


398253 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #388 of 1678 🔗

It seems zero covid is the future for UK reading today’s headlines. Hotel quarantine and now door to door search for the evil virus .Perhaps they can follow China’s steps in full. Below you have a recalcitrant elderly Chinese not wanting a PCR test.


398259 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, 2, #389 of 1678 🔗

Is there a ‘welded in’ option. Think I prefer that

398302 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cecil B, #390 of 1678 🔗

Weld THEM in you mean!

398263 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to swedenborg, 1, #391 of 1678 🔗

That is horrible – where is the respect?!

398494 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to swedenborg, 1, #392 of 1678 🔗

If only we had the right to bear arms. I think I’d install pop-up defence turrets.

398254 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 10, #393 of 1678 🔗

Just had a covid zealot call me a cult member, oh the irony and saying most excess deaths since ww2. Now what were the lies and manipulation behind those ww2 stats? I just want one more go to disprove his argument. I know I have no chance but I really want to debunk his argument

398273 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 6, #394 of 1678 🔗

Ask them if they are talking about age adjusted statistics. They won’t even know what that means.

398281 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Andrew K, 7, #395 of 1678 🔗

Save your blood pressure and don’t bother. You’re dealing with an imbecile – the sort that will always drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

398284 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AidanR, 4, #396 of 1678 🔗

Yes, my go to is to tell them to turn off the news and advise them that they have never been more wrong about anything in all their life.. That usually sparks their attention.

398310 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #397 of 1678 🔗

Until their phone goes ping to tell them there’s a pokemon nearby.

399151 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to AidanR, #398 of 1678 🔗

True this. It’s virtually impossible to beat someone who’s incredibly dense in an argument.

398282 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrew K, 6, #399 of 1678 🔗

Has he got a job/pension tha’ts the usual kicker?

COVID hysteria is a privilege of the West. Does he not care about brown babies dieing in Africa due to the lockdowns?

398331 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Andrew K, 2, #400 of 1678 🔗

I think they hadn’t been adjusted for age and population? There was a good piece about it from UK Column a week or so ago – maybe ten days, saying that if you adjusted all cause mortality for age and population (or whatever else statisticians have to do to make meaningful comparisons) 2020 was the worst year for all cause mortality since 2009 but when you compare it to the last twenty years, it was only the ninth worst year for all cause mortality. If you want a good explanation, re-visit UK Column news broadcasts.

398392 ▶▶ dan72, replying to Andrew K, 1, #401 of 1678 🔗

I bet the local war memorial has more names on then the local covid stats

398393 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, #402 of 1678 🔗

Doubleplusgood duckspeaker..

398475 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 2, #403 of 1678 🔗

If they’re totally brainwashed it’s not worth the effort. Just be unbelievably rude, it’ll make you feel better and they are effectively dead already. I have to deal with close family members whose mental health declines week after week. I have NO time for these people. Cowards all.

398498 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Andrew K, 1, #404 of 1678 🔗

You can’t fix stupid. Best to laugh at them. Manically.

398603 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Andrew K, 1, #405 of 1678 🔗

If they would have bothered reading the story and not just the headline in the DM they would have read that this did not actually factually corroborate the headline. The do know a few million people have been born since the war?

398691 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Andrew K, 1, #406 of 1678 🔗

This info might help. If you click on the table itself it opens to show the whole 20 year period in question, up to and including 2020.


398256 Cecil B, 9, #407 of 1678 🔗

Run the hares

Today children we will be looking through the square window

Today it’s a fairy story about the economy bouncing back and how we are all going to get rich quick

It’s all going to be done by magic, magic money, magic shops, magic pubs, magic holidays and magic vaccines

Marcus will be serving lunch at twelve


398258 Vir Cotto, 1, #408 of 1678 🔗

Canada has also been doing hotel quarantine, much to the dismay of outlets like Rebel News. Worth checking out their videos on Youtube.

398265 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 2, #409 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown is forever!

398315 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TheClone, 5, #410 of 1678 🔗

For the sheep and collaborators:YES.
As for the rest of us:WATCH THIS SPACE!!!

398340 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #411 of 1678 🔗

I’d like to believe you but they are too determined to keep it on. It started with the PCR fraud, it continued with lockdonw 1, 2, 3, moving goalposts on a weekly basis, implementing hotel quaratine (and this is not for the next few weeks until 8 March) and the vaxx passport coming soon (again, not for a few weeks/months period) These are all preparations for long term. There is no end in sight for furloughing. They succeeded in destroying the economy and their actions killed people (which couldn’t access health services). Who will stop them! And I mean stopping them physically, removing them office and put them in jail for life! No, I don’t think it will happen!

398268 BeBopRockSteady, 15, #412 of 1678 🔗

A good update today. I see a few common strands.

1) PCR is a fraud. The eurosurveillance response to McKernans team not to retract the Dorsten paper on PCR protocol was as bad as the government’s approach to the WHO guidance printed ATL. They maybe don’t know how it works and certaiy don’t care. The labs will be the fall guys if an enquiry is ever conducted, plausible deniability is baked in. The labs can continue to flog the golden goose and if they are ever held to account it’ll be well into the long grass. As for Mckernan, they got a similar response. Eurosurveillance asked a few labs and they all said everything is hunky dory. Science is dead folks.

What is needed is a legal challenge for in individual tested to demand their CT details. This could then be expanded to an audit level of CTs to understand exactly how many people and their contacts have been locked down at 30+ CTs. Seems obvious to me its required, but then I’m a conspiracy realist.

The fact that lateral flow is being used more now will help the culprits of this fraud distance themselves quietly. All of this is getting memory holed.

2) Quarantine Hotels will be adapted to take people away from their homes to isolate, I’ve no doubt. This is getting truly frightening. Dark clouds above.

3) The article from the legal expert on the CV Act does not mention that the government have largely been using the 1984 Health Act not the CV to enact their policies. See Lord Sumption. The reason is to avoid parliamentary scrutiny. Strange he missed this key point.

398272 Paulus, replying to Paulus, 10, #413 of 1678 🔗

Well Canada has now banned cruise ships from its waters until February 2022, must be a sign that things are getting back to normal soon!


398388 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Paulus, 1, #414 of 1678 🔗

Because Covid thrives on cruise ships, as proved by the Diamond Princess .

398278 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 8, #415 of 1678 🔗

Well, I was going to do some benign DIY this weekend, but instead I’m now giving serious thought to fortifying my home and concealing defensive measures in my car.

This is not going in a positive direction.

398313 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to AidanR, 6, #416 of 1678 🔗

What a lovely world Johnson and his Junta have made for us where we have to defend our rights from our own government.

398279 Victoria, 4, #417 of 1678 🔗

Did CDC Deliberately Mislead Public on Allergic Reactions to Moderna Vaccine? ~ The CDC had more accurate and up-to-date data that it could have used to calculate the rate of severe allergic reactions to Moderna’s COVID vaccine — why didn’t it? ~

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is using a passive surveillance system to monitor for vaccine injury during the aggressive covid-19 vaccine rollout. According to previous CDC studies , this passive surveillance system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, (VAERS) captures fewer than 1 percent of vaccine injuries . To make matters worse, these serious injuries are reported weeks, and many times, months after the vaccine injury occurred. The data coming in to the CDC is not current. The CDC using this passive surveillance system to minimize the relevance of vaccine injury, and to promote vaccine injury as a rare occurrence. In this way, the CDC is manipulating the data to make vaccine injury seem minuscule compared to complications from a naturally-acquired infection.

The reporting sensitivities of two passive surveillance systems for vaccine adverse events.

398286 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #418 of 1678 🔗

Can we start an Amish community???

398292 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #419 of 1678 🔗

Yes please!

398304 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #420 of 1678 🔗

Yes please. Have you anywhere in mind?

398306 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Just about sane, 5, #421 of 1678 🔗

Absolutely no idea how this is done, but i’d live out in the sticks to live in sanity and the longer this goes on I am considering how to make it a reality.

398316 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #422 of 1678 🔗

You and me both.

398353 ▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Just about sane, 1, #423 of 1678 🔗

me too – i was browsing properties in mid wales – you get a lot for your money and isolation from all the morons – i won’t say ‘sheep’ as there are lots of nice fluffy sheep in wales and they are more intelligent than the human kind!

398357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #424 of 1678 🔗

Problem with Wales is the ASSembly

398387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, #425 of 1678 🔗

Mostly tethered to the big cities.

398307 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #426 of 1678 🔗

I anticipate a number of logistical and organisational difficulties, unless you can give us a crash course in smoke signals and carriage driving.

398431 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AidanR, #427 of 1678 🔗

Haha I don’t think I could go full Amish…

398354 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #428 of 1678 🔗

Somewhere in Cornwall to get away from the Covidian cult
Follow the lead from the Muslims – find an area and take over
It works

398360 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #429 of 1678 🔗

The thought has entered my mind on starting a hippy style commune.

398289 Ewan Duffy, 10, #430 of 1678 🔗


Headline: People with Covid symptoms urged to contact GP immediately
“Case” numbers in Ireland are falling so the Establishment needs to find new sources to keep the fear going.

398294 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 15, #431 of 1678 🔗

So the wee witch is part of the zero covid cult. Heaven help us. Scotland is not an island, we have the shittiest, wettest, windiest weather. We may grow some soft fruits and potatoes and our beef and lamb is excellent but I very much doubt it’s enough to sustain nearly 6 million of us.
Most of the farming land in my area is taken over by sheep in the winter. We no longer grow the vegetables that was grown here in my childhood.

Cut Scotland off from the rest of the UK and imprison the Scots in Scotland because that’s the only way she’s getting zero covid and I question that. Forever, because it will have to be forever. The video of the isle of man and what looks like freedom is not freedom not by the term freedom in the 21st century. How long before the novelty of being ‘allowed’ to mix wears off and the people want/need to leave the island? Are they going to be forced to quarantine for the rest of eternity? I may not be a scientist but is trying to contain and control a virus not the same as trying to control the weather?

Any recommendations on areas in England that my husband and I can move to that’s cheap in England would be ever so helpful.

398386 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Just about sane, 3, #432 of 1678 🔗

Re-Build the Wall! MEGA!

398710 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to GrannySlayer, #433 of 1678 🔗

who’s going to tell the people of northumberland north of Wallsend that they will be scottish?

398816 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to GrannySlayer, #434 of 1678 🔗

At least let me through first. I’ll help build it and keep her and her ilk out.

398390 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Just about sane, #435 of 1678 🔗

How is Scotland’s border with England going to be secured?

398808 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #436 of 1678 🔗

Hell knows but I’m crossing into England before its shut, I can see a few Scots invading England just to leave that we Harridan behind.

398422 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Just about sane, 4, #437 of 1678 🔗

To the best of my understanding, SARS-Cov2 virus is now just one of the panoply of viruses that give rise to respiratory diseases, which decline in the summer and reappear in the autumn. We can no more eliminate SARS-Cov2 than we can eliminate any of the numerous viruses that give rise to colds and flu. Learning to live with these viruses has been one of the trade offs we had in becoming land mammals and breathing air rather than living in the sea.
As someone far more emminant than me has said SARS-Cov2 is settling down to becoming just another irksome respiratory virus.
Sturgeon can no more eliminate SARS-Cov2 than she can walk on water, indeed perhaps someone should suggest to her that she demonstrates her ability to walk across Loch Ness to prove that she is invincible and the supreme authority on everything.

398613 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #438 of 1678 🔗

Nooooo it might make Nessie ill having that toxic bitch walk in the water!

398296 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 11, #439 of 1678 🔗

ZeroCovid = ZeroCarbon?
If this is being planned and enacted we are truely screwed, our lives as we knew them are over.

398303 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to peyrole, 7, #440 of 1678 🔗

The elites that run this world have presented themselves. They are pushing and pushing and unless people wake up on mass they are not retreating. Even Sweden are touted to be one of the first to receive dystopian hell in the form of vac passports.

398305 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to peyrole, 4, #441 of 1678 🔗

Has the penny not dropped yet? There are no ifs or buts. Life as we knew it IS truly over.

It’s time to adapt or die, I’m afraid.

398311 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to peyrole, 11, #442 of 1678 🔗

I certainly do think that this situation is now being used a trojan horse by some groups to usher in ‘zero carbon’ policies which, if presented honestly to the public in 2019, would have been totally unpalatable. However, add the fear of covid and future ‘pandemics’ into the mix, tell people it’s about health, and all of a sudden there’s a chance they might just go along with it. They could never succeed in introducing such policies if they were honest about their intentions and the implications.

398520 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to peyrole, 4, #443 of 1678 🔗

No internal combustion engine after 2030.No gas boilers in new homes.Saudi Arabia of wind power.Theresa May signed it into law that we will be zero carbon by 2040.
These lunatics are going to destroy life in this country.What do you think the control grid they are building now is for.

398558 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to peyrole, #444 of 1678 🔗

Useful connection, thanks. I’d already noted the thematic similarities but now also the terminology.

398297 AidanR, 5, #445 of 1678 🔗

ATL has been much better the last 2 days, even if today’s did close with an attempt to give me an aneurysm.

398300 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #446 of 1678 🔗

Save the Earth!!!!

Over 1.5 Billion MASKS to Pollute Ocean This Year

Over one billion of the 52 billion masks produced in 2020 will pollute the world’s oceans, warns a report published by an environmental group out of Hong Kong.

OceansAsia said the masks will both contaminate oceans with plastic and harm already vulnerable marine wildlife.

“Single-use face masks are made from a variety of meltblown plastics and are difficult to recycle due to both composition and risk of contamination and infection,” OceansAsia’s report states. “These masks enter our oceans when they are littered or otherwise improperly discarded, when waste management systems are inadequate or non-existent, or when these systems become overwhelmed due to increased volumes of waste.”

The report estimates nearly 7,000 tons of plastic could pollute the ocean and may take roughly 450 years to break down.

“This plastic does not ‘go away,’ but rather accumulates, breaking up into smaller and smaller pieces. Annually, it is estimated that marine plastic pollution kills 100,000 marine mammals and turtles, over a million seabirds, and even greater numbers of fish, invertebrates, and other marine life,” the report says. “Plastic pollution also profoundly impacts coastal communities, fisheries, and economies. Conservative estimates suggest that it could cost the global economy $13 billion USD per year, and lead to a 1-5% decline in ecosystem services, at a value of between $500 to $2,500 billion USD.”

The report also highlights various animals that have died due to masks. In September, a penguin was found dead on a Brazilian beach with a mask wrapped up inside its stomach, according to a local marine conservation organization, Instituto Argonauta.

“The consequences of the large number of people who frequented the beaches of the North Coast of São Paulo on the extended holiday of September 7 may have cost the life of a Magellan penguin, whose cause of death is linked to a mask that was found inside his stomach,” read a statement from the non-profit.


398385 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 13, #447 of 1678 🔗

It was this long before somebody noticed???
I hope David bloody Covid-worshipping bloody maskoid bloody Attenborough has seen this.

398415 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 3, #448 of 1678 🔗

The Gretatarians are going to finally have to suck up the current year palpable cost to their ideology
Rather than manbearpig in the future

398469 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 7, #449 of 1678 🔗

Funny how the greens have fallen silent over face masks and sanitisers polluting the environment and that they’re far worse than the single use plastics and coffee cups that they had spent the last few years demonising.

Also odd is how they’re silent on littering. Everytime I raise this with friends who consider themselves “green” they always fall silent as if they have nothing to say.

While the article is spot on, it destroys its argument by recommending cloth muzzles as not only are they bad for human health but also for the environment.

398505 ▶▶ Vir Cotto, replying to Victoria, 1, #450 of 1678 🔗

Pretty soon enough to be seen from space itself. Save the planet by paving it in masks.

399180 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Victoria, #451 of 1678 🔗

I see an ever increasing amount of PPE discarded when I walk around my local area. Masks being the most common, with most of them being the blue plastic ones that you cannot recycle.

398312 AidanR, replying to AidanR, -7, #452 of 1678 🔗

So, can we cut to the damned chase and get on with nuking China now?

398322 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, #453 of 1678 🔗


Do you think the whole purpose of this State of Emergency is to prepare us for war with China or Russia?

398338 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to AidanR, #454 of 1678 🔗

So you want total war do you? Maybe it’s for the best …

398384 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to AidanR, 4, #455 of 1678 🔗

Advocating war of aggression is a war crime and crime against humanity.

398474 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Steve Hayes, #456 of 1678 🔗

Says who?

398563 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to AidanR, 1, #457 of 1678 🔗

My hunch is that the invasion of Taiwan is imminent.

398321 Ewan Duffy, 1, #458 of 1678 🔗

Apologies if this has been shared already:


YT comment with reference to Dido Harding of Track and Trace fame

398326 crimsonpirate, #459 of 1678 🔗

re deaths in hospital Scotland. I clicked on the FOI link to an excel page but there were no figures for 2020. Any idea where the 2020 figure came from?

398339 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #460 of 1678 🔗

The justification for actions taken throughout all this have been along the lines of other countries are doing it.

So in order to force through something like vaccine passports all they need is one country to introduce them then they can all start the “other countries are doing it” argument.

398342 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nobody2021, #461 of 1678 🔗

Sweden and Denmark are on their way …

398369 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nobody2021, #462 of 1678 🔗

The other counties argument would only be relevant in terms of travel to the countries that demanded proof of vaccination for entry.

398341 GrannySlayer, 3, #463 of 1678 🔗

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t read the Spectator, Toby. Maybe you should get yourself some knee pads.

398344 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #464 of 1678 🔗

It’s usually suggested in many zombie films that they came about due to some sort of virus.

One of the favoured tactics to combat the virus is to isolate the area and simply nuke it from a distance.

Now I don’t want to overly worry people but Matt Hancock gets his ideas from films.

398350 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #465 of 1678 🔗


398568 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Nobody2021, #466 of 1678 🔗

The Simpsons movie says it all.

398351 Ned of the Hills, 8, #467 of 1678 🔗

“Most of my colleagues think we are past the peak,”

So said Professor Whitty on the 3rd I think it was. Four weeks after the lockdown – implying …..?

This is slight of hand work. Hospital admissions had been on the declining since the 9th, January. He could have said it earlier – but this would have suggested something very different. 

398361 Gladiatrix, replying to Gladiatrix, 10, #468 of 1678 🔗

I genuinely don’t understand why Heneghan etc are not suing for defamation. The prospect of paying enormous damages might stop people like O’Brien in their tracks.

398467 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Gladiatrix, 3, #469 of 1678 🔗

One of the first things the Tories did when they got power in 2010 was make it nigh on impopssible for the common man to get recourse in law.

398479 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Gladiatrix, 4, #470 of 1678 🔗

I suspect by ignoring that loser they’re giving him enough rope to hang himself.

O’Brien has exposed himself on his Twitter account that he’s ignorant, unable to listen to other people’s point of view, petulant, rude and Uriah Heep in the flesh. Heneghan, et al don’t have to do anything as O’Brien is already humiliating himself.

398381 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 7, #471 of 1678 🔗

Zero Covid = communism.

The lack of care for liberty is probably due to generations of the UK haven’t had it threatened before. If these actions were taken at the point of a gun surely we’d be up in arms.

The pen is truly mightier.

398403 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TheBigman, 5, #472 of 1678 🔗

On the bright side. Sridhar will be tried in the end. Her involvement is no small beer. A core protagonist, perhap life in prison would be zero enough for the zero pushing zero.

398404 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBigman, 3, #473 of 1678 🔗

Communism? Have you not noticed that the major beneficiaries of the coronavirus responses are the billionaires? In the first six months of this madness Jeff Bezos had ninety billion dollars added to his wealth. This coronavirus madness is facilitating a massive transfer wealth – in precisely the opposite direction to communism.

398423 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #474 of 1678 🔗

Yes. I’ve noticed. They are all part of the same club. If you think that communism is still the same as it was with guns and gulags then you are in for a hard hard lesson in the coming years.

398541 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #475 of 1678 🔗

Have you not noticed how rich the leading figures are in communism? The party in Soviet Russia lived like kings. The Maduro family is one of the richest on the planet. Have you even seen communism?

398410 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to TheBigman, -2, #476 of 1678 🔗

Communism?! Read up mate, read up!

398417 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to norwegian, 1, #477 of 1678 🔗

I have read and see all the signs, both overt and covert. Thanks though. You live in your bubble.

398536 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to norwegian, 1, #478 of 1678 🔗

You must be one of those very confused people that think of anarcho-capitalism when they think of communism. If you’re thinking of workers owning the fruit of their labor and people trading freely without a government, that’s called capitalism. Communism involves the many working for the party and a boot on your face.

398411 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to TheBigman, 5, #479 of 1678 🔗

I’m not sure about communism, but we’ve been a centrally planned socialist shithole for a long time.

The most fun thing about socialist shitholes is rule by coercion and spending 2-3 hours of your day working for money you’ll hand over to the government to piss away on things you don’t want or care about.

It’s hard to keep a straight face and talk about liberty in such circumstances. What we are seeing now is just an amplification of what was already present.

398414 ▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #480 of 1678 🔗

Communism is the destination of socialism

398418 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to GrannySlayer, -2, #481 of 1678 🔗

Socialist?! If the west were a “socialist shithole” we wouldn’t have a few very rich and so many poor. Educate yourself!

398440 ▶▶▶▶ TheBigman, replying to norwegian, 5, #482 of 1678 🔗

That’s how socialism goes.

“everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”

398447 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to norwegian, 1, #483 of 1678 🔗

If it were not a centrally planned socialist shithole, we would not have market interventions, QE, interest rate setting and massive corporate and social welfare programs, and you would not be coerced into self-policing political correctness. Nor would the Fabianists have such influence.

Socialism is the renunciation of rational economy .”
– Mises

398528 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to norwegian, 2, #484 of 1678 🔗

Yes, cause everyone in Soviet Russia was so wealthy. The party were living like kings while the people starved. The current situation in Venezuela is exactly the same, with Maduro’s relatives being some of the richest people on the planet.
You obviously have no idea what socialism looks like.

398531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #485 of 1678 🔗

Socialism is slavery for people who are bad at maths.

398547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basileus, 1, #486 of 1678 🔗

I would say it’s for people who think money grows on trees.
“Healthcare is free in socialist Sweden!”
“Sweden is not socialist and the people are paying for the healthcare system through taxation, you donut.”

398884 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to norwegian, #487 of 1678 🔗

Injustice is about power used abusively, money (capital) is merely one mechanism for the maintenance of power.

If your nation is ruled by unaccountable privileged shitheads with a firm grip on power and no effective rule of law to constrain their abuses of power, it doesn’t really matter all that much whether they are empowered by wealth (capitalism) or by party position and political access to state power (socialism).

398987 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Mark, 1, #488 of 1678 🔗

Just because wealth empowers the rulers, it doesn’t mean you’re dealing with capitalism. For example, socialism is also powered by wealth. Do you think the bluecaps were working for free? Everyone working for the party got access to wealth they wouldn’t otherwise had. It’s all about the haves and have nots.

399255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #489 of 1678 🔗

Fair point. Like I said, money/capital is just a means to exercise power.

398648 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheBigman, #490 of 1678 🔗

It’s global communitarianism, actually.

398391 mattghg, replying to mattghg, #491 of 1678 🔗

Go on, then. What’s the difference between “ZeroCovid” and “CovidZero”?

398436 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to mattghg, 7, #492 of 1678 🔗

Less sugar, same great taste?

398523 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mattghg, 3, #493 of 1678 🔗

They’re the two solutions:
ZeroCovid: no one has covid.
CovidZero: there’s no one left alive to have covid.

398398 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 13, #494 of 1678 🔗

The vaccine companies have done very well out of this covid mess . They have produced “vaccines” for which they have no liability problems . They have had so far no longterm trials , but these are now proceeding in the UK , and the benefit to the companies is that they will have an enormous mass of information given to them which they did not have to pay for, as they would in normal trials .
They are even getting paid for these trials, the billions of UK money going to them and the trial results are freely handed over.
The subjects of the trials are coerced into them by the UK govt and effectively told that they have to hand over money and their health ( in some cases their lives). What do we get in return : our liberty, apparently not, just more restrictions and penalties and gross and arbitrary harassment from the police .
So Boris, like a latterday William the Conqueror has decided that we are all his property, to be sold to Pfizer and AZ along with our money, our health and lives and our liberty.
Ironic that in a time when so much fuss is made about historical slavery , Boris is bringing back the custom of selling off his “subjects” to foreigners like some !7th Cent West African chieftain.

398416 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 3, #495 of 1678 🔗

Some years ago, Iceland sold the current and historical medical records of its entire population, in some cases going back centuries, to a company (now defunct) called deCode Genetics, which used them in research, the results of which were sold on to big pharmaceutical companies.
Individual Icelanders were permitted to opt out – though, amazingly, few did.

398428 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Annie, 1, #496 of 1678 🔗

“Individual Icelanders were permitted to opt out – though, amazingly, few did.”

Not amazingly, a dumb public have no fear for what they should fear …

398451 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 3, #497 of 1678 🔗

They jailed the bankers in 2008 so they got it half right at least

398487 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mikewaite, 10, #498 of 1678 🔗

Before they told use we need to quarantine and we’ll be fine. People complied cause they though that’s the worst it will be.

Now they’re telling us that they need to vaccinate 70% of people and we’ll be fine. People are complying cause they think this is the worst it will be.

Next they’ll tell us that the remaining 30% must also be vaccinated, and they’ll be vaccinated by force and under penalty of law. And the 70% will scream at the 30% to take their vaccines and shut up, cause they’re the source of all evil, they’re the ones that destroyed society. And everyone will be so angry and so full of hatred that no one will notice the increased fatality rate for those 30%. And people will condone mass murder because they’ll think that’s the worse it will get, and then we’ll be free.

But we’ll never be free if complying is all we’re doing.

398571 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #499 of 1678 🔗

The last of our freedom is gone.
We are all now serfs of the state.

398402 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #500 of 1678 🔗

‘Given how critical I’ve been of Boris since the outbreak of the coronavirus crisis, I’ve now abandoned all hope.’

‘Critical?’ When? I seem to remember Toby defending government policy on SKY Australian news. ‘Coronavirus crisis?’ He means government policy crisis , surely – or does he?
In openly broadcasting his anti-govt. credentials, Toby is in a clear bind trying to balance his role as chief go-to government double-agent in the sceptic camp with being an all round ambitious Tory. Of course his words are cynically phrased, his article masked as satire, but the tear in the corner of his eye will not go away. He means this, be sure of that! Oh the life of a government double agent shill, unrewarded by your real friends and disbelieved by more and more of your sceptical readership, who are increasingly on your case.
Likewise Toby’s rah-rah riposte in Quillette is another cobbling together of the usual BTL calling cards  Nothing that could not be found in any comments section for the last few months, nothing about vaccine deaths, and nothing that begins to address the deprivation of rights, freedoms, education, health and job security that have been meted out by this unhinged coalition government (seemingly intent on inscribing Acton’s dictum as the first line of a post-C19 codified UK constitution). And to hell with those without the accumulated wealth and social status to see the government manufactured ‘crisis’ through.
Like Brexit, C19 is largely a game, a career opportunity for government, advisors and supporters in the media. So don’t worry Toby, just as the wretched fake-leaver Hannan got his just reward for weakening the Leave case in 2016, as did Boris of course, you will get yours for weakening scepticism against this government’s unwarranted lockdown.

398499 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #501 of 1678 🔗

I think that is a bit harsh.Having read the article Toby stays on firm ground.
Lockdowns are not proven to work,quite the opposite.
I agree,the government have no right to curtail my liberty,stop me from working to protect a failing national institution.That is fact.
I also believe that there are much darker motives behind our governments actions.These are a lot harder to prove but the evidence is there.The vaccines are leading to a health/digital passport.That is now fact.
UBI and digital currency are the next step.

398676 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #502 of 1678 🔗

Toby stays on firm ground.

Of course he does, how could he not do? This website’s existence and credibility depend on paying lip service to the sceptic cause. Nevertheless he manifestly fails (as does the ATL website on a daily basis) to advance to sceptic case. As for being harsh, I don’t think I am being critical enough given the severity of the deliberately manufactured crisis, with which Toby is largely complicit.
Unless scepticism turns to outright criticism and then direct action, as should be the process, then it is being deliberately stymied; in this case by influencers like Toby.
Scepticism should be a transitional stage, if not it is called fence sitting . Whoever/whatever might be behind this and their motives are utterly irrelevant considerations. Organised civil direct action to reclaim basic societal and political freedoms is the only course whatever the underlying cause(s) turns out to be.

398405 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #503 of 1678 🔗

How many people on SAGE are zero-covidians? Were any of them ‘at’ this conference?

398412 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mattghg, 2, #504 of 1678 🔗

Just wait until the NegativeCovid people start appearing… “We lost too many to Covid. We must resurrect the dead to make up for it!”

398406 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #505 of 1678 🔗

WHO: Everyone must wear masks. Everyone must self isolate. Impose quarantines.

Government: Quick! We must do those thing! Roll out the police to beat people on the streets and make sure they comply!

WHO: Reduce PCR cycles and stop relying just on PCR for diagnosis.

Government: Yeah… whatevs man… not sure if i can be bothered right now… try later.

I think that by this point it’s clear to anyone that the government cares more about authoritarian measures than they do about anyone’s safety and wellbeing.

398432 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #506 of 1678 🔗

Same with vaccines v vaccine adverse reactions

398407 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #507 of 1678 🔗


The Nazis who were tried at Nuremberg were previously mostly just bureaucrats at heart, dressed by Hugo Boss, and went about their business in the calm manner that members of SAGE do. But they were still executed for ‘doing their best’ for the government of the day. I favour the short drop method the Czechs used on Karl Frank. The video is out there still.

Karl Hermann Frank execution (Graphic)


It should be shown to these people. They think they will get ‘awards’ for acting like the Nazis. That guy having a go at Whitty is just the beginning.

I’m not having a good morning, since you ask.

398419 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #508 of 1678 🔗

The Communists in the Eastern block mainly got away with it though

398426 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #509 of 1678 🔗

Not only did they get away with it, but the US was desperate to appease them. I suggest people read “American Betrayal” by Diana West. It explains a lot of things about the US, the UN, and this wave of socialist ideology taking over the west.

398420 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #510 of 1678 🔗

People seem to forget that nazis weren’t pure evil and that they did all they did cause they wanted to keep their people safe. Even suggesting such a thing would be outrageous to these ignorant people. They refuse to believe that keeping people safe leads to genocide. But we’re already going down that road. Here’s something about the escalation of genocide: https://www.bitchute.com/video/q1jmVOMYPzpm/

398527 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #511 of 1678 🔗

‘The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either – but right through every human heart…even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains…an uprooted small corner of evil.’
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

398554 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basileus, 3, #512 of 1678 🔗

Should be mandatory reading, that. But it will never be, because the socialist-infested education system doesn’t want people to know what communism actually is like.

398551 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #513 of 1678 🔗

Yes, the German people did not vote to enslave Jews. Before the NSDAP, Germany was one of the safest countries for Jews. Hayek gave the German people fair treatment, we would do well to heed his warning about just how easy it is to slide into fascism (though it’s probably a bit too late for that now).

Also memory-holed is the origin of National Socialism as an ideology, which was the brainchild of US socialist brothers Bellamy, the same responsible for the US pledge of allegiance to the flag – a national socialist ritual if ever there was one.

398561 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #514 of 1678 🔗

Hitler praised Roosevelt on his policies. And i can never remember it right, but i think it was Mussolini that didn’t know whether to ally himself with Hitler or with Roosevelt. That’s how socialist the US Democratic party has always been. Roosevelt is remembered as one of the greatest US presidents because of WW2. If Pearl Harbor never happened, he’d be remembered as one of the worse.

398602 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #515 of 1678 🔗

To be honest with you, at times it seems as if the US is the 4th Reich. Remembering that US corporations sponsored the 3rd Reich, and that famous quote mistakenly attributed to Mussolini (about the merging of corporations and the state), it shouldn’t come as a shock to say such a thing.

Corporations loved national socialism, that was no secret, and they are the most politically powerful entity in the US, as has just been demonstrated, so the current push toward socialism is certainly at their behest.

Add in corporate welfare, central planning, militarised police, military fetishisation, concentration camps, the uniparty, imperialism, staunch nationalism…

398615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #516 of 1678 🔗

The US is the ultimate perversion of freedom. It is the only country where people actually had a good shot at freedom. That’s why it has always been the number 1 target of communism. It’s very hard to tell people that the best life they can possibly have is scraping in the dirt for scraps when the Americans are living free and prospering from it.

The current state of the US has been in the making since the ’30s at the very least, i think. That’s how long they’ve been chipping away at it. And it looks just about ready to fall because people don’t understand the simple concept of “live and let live”.

And we all saw what happened to the last person to try and bring back the American Dream.

398421 norwegian, replying to norwegian, -4, #517 of 1678 🔗

Some people around here shouts communism but knows f all, you know who you are, educate yourself!

398429 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to norwegian, #518 of 1678 🔗

Should i assume you consider communism to be a good system?

398444 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #519 of 1678 🔗

I just want people to not misuse terms …

398470 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to norwegian, 1, #520 of 1678 🔗

How is anyone misusing terms when the elites are pushing for socialism?

398496 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #521 of 1678 🔗

I think it flies by unnoticed by some people that our fantastic trendy chancellor is utterly pulverising our economics into smithereens. His initiatives are the most hard-line socialist this country has ever seen.

398519 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #522 of 1678 🔗

I agree with you. But – people less ”elite” it’d be hard to imagine!

398553 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to norwegian, 1, #523 of 1678 🔗

Solzhemenitsyn. One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

That gives an idea of how utterly fruitless the system is. How missing teeth from scurvy isn’t so bad after recovery -you were alive.

Perhaps the book was once too popular for Norwegian and he knows better books more accurate to what communism is, after all the book is set in a Seberian gulag what would that tell us about communist Cuba.

398599 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to norwegian, -1, #524 of 1678 🔗

That’s definitely the most important thing right now.

398446 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to norwegian, #525 of 1678 🔗

Sounds like you on the other hand know a lot. Please tell…

398448 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to J4mes, -1, #526 of 1678 🔗

What do you like? How about a Norwegian folk tale?

398450 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to norwegian, -2, #527 of 1678 🔗

Ah, you mean a lot about communism? I’m not a teacher for f sake, read a book.

398460 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to norwegian, 1, #528 of 1678 🔗

Well you’ve got me convinced. Thanks!

398468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to J4mes, #529 of 1678 🔗

No, thank you!

398471 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to norwegian, 3, #530 of 1678 🔗

What a strangely miserable comment. Perhaps you do mean to vibrate negativity perhaps you do.

You have a concern that people are using a term, you tell them to educate up to your high standard, when asked to explain you tell them to read a fucking book.

Isnn’t that a tedious bit of boredom. Why not set a goal for yourself of being helpful, positive, useful.

398489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Basics, -1, #531 of 1678 🔗

Please …

398529 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to norwegian, 2, #532 of 1678 🔗

Please what norwegian?
You make a few snide comments to good folk with open minds interested to learn and think. The you have is read a fucking book.

Who are you? What are you?

398493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 4, #533 of 1678 🔗

He’s not trying to be helpful, or positive, or useful. Someone insulted his dream political system and he can’t stand it.

398455 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 5, #534 of 1678 🔗


When right-leaning people attacck authoritarianism they call it communism. When left-leaning people attack authoritarianism they call it fascism.

In my opinion it doesn’t much matter which ‘ism’ is used to justify the boot on your neck.

Having said that, the amalgamation of state and corporate power which we see today is very much like Mussolini’s description of fascism – ie the corporate state, with civil society being progressively strangled.

Of course in Soviet Communism atate and corporate power were eventually identical too.

I think it is incorrect to describe this – or what is emerging – as communism.

398465 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to rockoman, 5, #535 of 1678 🔗

That’s because the difference between communism and fascism is nowhere near as big as people would have you think. They’re not opposite ends of any spectrum. They’re two sides of the same coin.

398516 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #536 of 1678 🔗

Indeed. They are both centrally planned states. Central planning demands compliance and creates slaves.

398700 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #537 of 1678 🔗

its a political ism circle. If you put freedom at the bottom, then clockwise you go towards facism and anticlockwise you go towards communism. And when you reach the top of the circle, going either way , you are at the same place .

398979 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to mj, #538 of 1678 🔗

Sure, but it doesn’t make sense to have freedom between two authoritarian systems.

398477 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, 6, #539 of 1678 🔗

This comes from Soviet Communism using Fascism as a slur.In practice they are very similar .Many Germans under Hitler pre war felt that he was introducing Bolshevism.
For the masses the end result is pretty much the same;being crushed under the heel of the state.

398525 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to rockoman, #540 of 1678 🔗

It’s really imposed collectivism vs individual freedom.

398513 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to norwegian, 2, #541 of 1678 🔗

You don’t seem to present much in the way of reasoned argument. Perhaps you could try it.

398533 ▶▶ RickH, replying to norwegian, #542 of 1678 🔗

Put it down to political naivety, and move on.

398576 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to RickH, 3, #543 of 1678 🔗

Political naivety is to think that a small amount of very rich people leading a starving country has nothing to do with socialism or communism.

398813 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to norwegian, 2, #544 of 1678 🔗

Crony crapitalism FTW.

Conservative Party – funded by billionaires
(New) Labour Party – funded by billionaires

Political parties are just products to be sold, just like wash powders. Some go for Omo, some go for Tide, but they are all concocted in the same factory, just with minor differences in packaging.

Lockdown has been a great oppoortunity to dish out dosh for the boyz/grilz/otherz, all paid for by the serfs.

398427 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #545 of 1678 🔗

Dr Andrew Kaufman says SARS-CoV-2 does not exist

You can watch the conversation on my website, or you can listen to it via whatever podcast app you have on your phone. (Just search for “Jerm Warfare”.)

Basically, his argument is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist , and that it is likely being confused with something called an exosome . This hypothesis is strengthened by the success of antiparasitic drugs like Ivermectin .

I am not a medical expert, so if his commentary triggers you like a toddler whose Nutella sandwich was taken away, then argue with Andrew and not me.

For what it’s worth, his views are supported by molecular biologist Dr Judy Mikovits (who was also on my show ), as well as a few others in the field.


Whatever the truth might be, it’s wonderful that we can have these conversations without fear of Soviet-style censorship (which is spreading like a disease).

398443 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 11, #546 of 1678 🔗

There has been no verified isolation and culture of the coronavirus. The vaccines were developed, not by using the virus, but by computer modelling of the genetic code. This is an extraordinary procedure. It is also something the lockdownistas are completely silent about.

398434 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #547 of 1678 🔗

I’m having a bit of a ding-dong with my Mum over the vaccine issue. It’s becoming really stressful. In response to a paper I sent her, along with some other information, she sent me a video from a doctor in California where he defends the Pfizer vaccine. I tried explaining what I objected to in the video but my Mum put the phone down on me saying she’s made up her mind. I’m merely expressing concern and urging caution. Am I supposed to keep schtum? This is my Mum.

Since she won’t listen on the phone I sent her an e-mail explaining why I believe the doctor is wrong. Please, if you have time, watch the video (it’s only 6 minutes’ long) and let me know if and where you think I went wrong in my criticism of his points.

Here’s the video and my response to it in an e-mail to my Mum. The video’s only 6 minutes’ long (by the way, see if you can spot the ironic part at around 4:13 of the video):


You seem determined to get the vaccine, facts and concerns be damned. If you consider that video to be a valid alternative view to the paper/information I sent you then I don’t know what to say, Mum. I love you, and that is why I have to respond to that video. I’m not saying the vaccine is this or that, but I have genuine concerns. Anyway, here goes.

1. He says most of the patients were seriously ill and their ‘anticipated duration of life is only 6 months’, and says even mild side effects from the vaccine could hasten their death, which immediately causes one to ask, So why the hell risk hastening the death of people so seriously vulnerable to the mildest side effects from this vaccine?

He justifies giving them the vaccine on the basis that if they do not have the vaccine and they catch Covid-19 then ‘they will die right away because they are so sick.’ How on earth does this constitute a rational and ethical response/position? He has just said that these patients are so sick that even the mildest side effects from the vaccine could hasten their death, so where is the ethical justification for administering this vaccine *just in case* they catch a virus they don’t have and when this very vaccine’s known side effects could well hasten their death? If you were placing a bet on which option is likely to benefit this type of patient, you’d cearly avoid injecting them and exposing them to side effects that can so easily end their lives.

He’s trying to justify vaccinating the whole nursing home by saying that *Iff* someone catches Covid-19 in the home then it’ll wipe everyone out, which is a) an unargued (though not completely irrational) assumption, and b) gambling on an unknown eventuality over the known heightened danger of vaccination given the condition of the patients.

Remember, I’m answering him on his own terms, Mum.

2. He admits he doesn’t know what really happened in Norway.

3. He misrepresents a news headline by saying it reads: ‘European Pfizer vaccine kills 29 innocent people’ when the headline *actually* reads: ’23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.’ Nice way to totally misrepresent a headline!

4. He says he ‘cannot tolerate’ people raising these concerns because it might put people off taking the vaccine, and says ‘just trust the science behind it…we need 70% of population [sic] to get vaccinated to come out of this pandemic’, which *begs the question* in favour of vaccine safety and efficacy and *ignores* the real, pertinent and serious questions regarding the safety of the Pfizer vaccine, you know, *the very thing in dispute*. Astonishing, Mum.

This burk basically puts his fingers in his ears, closes his eyes and says, ‘Nothing to see here’ while simultaneously admitting he has no idea what is really happening.

It is worth noting that, while this person asks us to ‘trust the science behind it’, these vaccines are made up of completely new biotechnology. This is utterly different from traditional vaccines. Trials have only been going for a matter of months, Mum, and you’d have to be an utter fool (not you; the generic ‘you’) to completely ‘trust the science’ behind these new vaccines when it is, by the very nature of the case, impossible to know what the medium and long-term effects are. These vaccines are experimental. These are human trials.

I’m not asking you not to have the vaccine, Mum. I’m saying I’m very concerned about these vaccines.

Update: We just had a chat on the phone and my Mum said she doesn’t want to hear from me on this subject again. I said that’s impossible for me to agree to, that she’s my Mum and if I come across something that concerns me I’m not going to sit on it but send it to her. So we agreed that we’ll not ‘debate’ it anymore. Tragic.

398453 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #548 of 1678 🔗

Oh I do feel for you, it’s really driving families apart now. My mum has so far refused the vaccine, keeps saying she hasn’t yet made up her mind. I can only tell her what I think, that I don’t really want her to have it however if she does have it I will have to remember that it is her decision.

398454 ▶▶ richmond, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #549 of 1678 🔗

I feel for you. My mother is the same. She trusts the authorities and won’t listen to me..

398461 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #550 of 1678 🔗

I’ve been having a very similar argument with my dad and it all seems to boil down to fear. There’s a lot of frightened people out there that were told the vaccine is the only out. They think this is a choice between never-ending lockdown, certain death at the hands of the virus, or a very small risk from a vaccine that’s safe. If that were the case, the choice would be simple.

But they don’t understand that we don’t need to be in a lockdown. It’s a circular type of logic. We need the vaccine to end the lockdown and we need the lockdown cause we don’t have a vaccine.

They don’t understand that the virus is nowhere near as deadly as the media says. Some people still need protection, but we don’t need to end the economy over this.

And they don’t understand that even though the odds of getting sick from the vaccine are pretty low, they’re still higher than getting sick from the virus.

The media and the government have turned this from a reasoned discussion into a conditioned fear response.

398492 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #551 of 1678 🔗

Spot on.

It’s so depressing. We are living in a post-rational age.

398514 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #552 of 1678 🔗

“It’s a circular type of logic. We need the vaccine to end the lockdown and we need the lockdown cause we don’t have a vaccine.”

Yes – the whole think is a woven fictional narrative.

But this is strengthened by the simple desire to get out of this dead-end, even tho’ the government has blatantly backed down from the original claim that vaccines would be the way.

As one of the ‘vulnerable’ I have the opposite problem : a few members of the family, and friends circle asking me to get the vaccine so ‘we can get back to normal’ in terms of contact. None of them are ‘believers’.

398550 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #553 of 1678 🔗

Excellent points Christi, particularly “we don’t need to end the economy over this” – that’s the bit they should be more suspicious of – who will fund the NHS when the jobs are gone? This is a difficult situation for sceptics with families. Thankfully my mother is absolutely going to refuse the vaccine.

398584 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to this is my username, 1, #554 of 1678 🔗

Who will fund the NHS? What do you mean? The NHS is free.

I hope the sarcasm is obvious…

398462 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #555 of 1678 🔗

I am so sorry you’re stressed about this and it’s completely understandable. Might be worth adding that these vaccines are actually still in human trials.
Also, if she is really insistent on getting vaccinated, perhaps ask her to wait a little while longer and do more research on the other vaccines instead.

398466 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #556 of 1678 🔗

sorry I just read that you mentioned human trials to her, I missed that. Don’t allow it to come between you both.

398504 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #557 of 1678 🔗

I agree. It is terrible watching someone walking to their doom – or so we fear. Let’s hope she’s one of the lucky ones (and odds are she probably will be). I have someone close to me who is determined to accept it, as soon as possible, and won’t even ”wait and see” – but if it IS going to make him ill, or even kill him then I don’t want to be left knowing that we were on bad terms or that I made him unhappy at the last.

398535 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Banjones, #558 of 1678 🔗

Exactly, I am not getting in the way of people making their own decisions, maybe just adding little snippets of information to plant a seed or two.
My in laws, cousin and friend have had the Pfizer vaccine and my Grandmother had had the Oxford one. I am waiting and seeing as well but hoping for the best.

398485 ▶▶ iane, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #559 of 1678 🔗

Well, I guess you have done your best, but, sadly, one has to let the brain-washed choose their own response to it. Cassandra was the original ignored prophet: a terrible fate, but such is life!

398506 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #560 of 1678 🔗

I think that you have done all that you can, and in the end, the sceptical position is that everyone must take control for themselves.

The risk is actually statistically small, even if the reported incidents are indeed linked. The bottom line is that the process has not followed scientific protocols, and we do not know enough (particularly in terms of long-term effects) – not that there is an established high level of risk.

The other factors are the circumstantial ones related to vested political and financial interests pushing something that, at best, has a very low degree of absolute risk reduction for an infection of questionable incidence and virulence.

That is why I will not be taking any vaccine, not because I am sure that anything untoward would ensue.

Accept that your mother has been given the alternative facts by you, and move on.

398508 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #561 of 1678 🔗

Been through the same thing, I feel your pain. For your own sake you have to tell yourself you did all you could and let it go. Be supportive, make sure she has plenty of vitamin D and self isolate for at least a week afterwards.

398540 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #562 of 1678 🔗

Send her this link (posted here yesterday):




Then leave her to make her mind up. If she goes ahead, you’ve done all you can.

398566 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #563 of 1678 🔗

I’m living the exact same scenario – and I guarantee a huge number of people are too.

It shows that the power of influence from the BBC/et al is still very strong, stronger than word of mouth.

I desperately do not want my family to get the jab, my mother is particularly susceptible to pressure from my BBC-brainwashed dad, who is himself terrified of C19. But there’s only so far I can go to try and convince them that this is political – it’s not about a virus and we need to stop treating this criminal government like a nurturing caring guardian while they rip our lives apart.

398607 ▶▶ danny, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #564 of 1678 🔗

I’m really sorry for you. I too have had almost identical discussions with my parents. The risks of going out, seeing family and living are too great, but the risk of taking an experimental vaccine is a roll of the dice worth taking? That is what I do not understand. Well, I get that they have become so desperate to end this lockdown and live life, that they will consider taking anything, but the same logic does not apply to taking a leap of faith and just getting on with life, which is far less dangerous, statistically speaking. My wife has told me that they are adults, that I have to respect their decisions, which is obviously true, but on the other hand, like you say, how can we sit back and just watch?

398651 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to danny, 8, #565 of 1678 🔗

What my family/friends say (and I’m sure this is common) in response to my concerns, is that some time in the future if it turns out I’m right, they’ll accept they were wrong.

When I said Christmas would be cancelled, they obviously scoffed at the idea. Christmas was effectively cancelled. When I said the borders will be shut and we won’t be able to leave the country, they scoffed. When I said our movements will be tracked, they scoffed. When I said hotels will be used as quarantine centres, they scoffed. There were many more predictions.

Every time each of those predictions came to be, the answer from family/friends is that it is a sensible way to tackle the crisis.

There is no reasoning with madness.

398702 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to J4mes, 1, #566 of 1678 🔗

Excellent post, although it’s actually fear that you are trying to reason with.

398623 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #567 of 1678 🔗

Just make sure her will is up to date and current. Start speaking normally as if she’s a goner and you’ll need to get her house cleared out and sold, perhaps you could start packing up the boxes now. . .

398626 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Natalie Shay, 1, #568 of 1678 🔗

Damn that’s brutal… yet this is exactly the same tactics of the government.

399046 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to J4mes, #569 of 1678 🔗

I like it. I was thinking of thanking my relatives who take the vaccine for ensuring my future financial well being as I pick up an early inheritance.

398678 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #570 of 1678 🔗

Know how you feel. My parents live overseas but see fit to time and again bully me and Mr Bart to the point that I simply ignore them. However I’m reaching the point that I will have to be rude to them if they don’t get the hint.

As for my father-in-law, he’s been respectful of our opposition to lockdown even he’s been long fed up with all this. He’s had the vaccine and fingers crossed he’s not had experienced any side effects so far. But I do shudder to think what can happen.

398689 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #571 of 1678 🔗

Same with mine. Actually the strange thing about when I try to talk about anythng to do with Corona Bollocks with my Mum especially is it elicits a very very strange agressive manipulative and irrational response. She is angry at me for even trying to talk about it. It really is very strange. Both my folks got jabbed. I tried but they just would not listen to me at all.

They would rather trust the brainwashing machine.

I find this very very sad, especially as am obviously very very informed about all things COVID.

398718 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Two-Six, 4, #572 of 1678 🔗

I think it is just exhaustion on their part. They have been traumatised for 12 months and want it to end. So the shining light of a miracle cure vaccine is clung to like a life raft, and I feel terrible even bringing up the notion that it might be less than they hoped. But, I can’t do nothing.

398743 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Two-Six, #573 of 1678 🔗

You make a good point about the unwillingness to listen/hear what you have to say. It’s something I too have noticed and been thinking about, and I’m going to quote it later in a new post. Thanks Two-Six.

398771 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, #574 of 1678 🔗

I appreciate your responses – thank you very much; I’ve taken them all on board. To those going through the same thing, my heart goes out to you. Of course, it is ultimately their choice. This goes without saying. As RickH says, ‘the sceptical position is that everyone must take control for themselves.’

398992 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #575 of 1678 🔗

I am in the same situation with friends and family.
I was in Germany visiting my family when this all kicked off. There were special reports on tv every day after the main news. We switched it off. I assumed it was as my parents thought it is all hyped out of proportion. At that point, I think my parents did think like that, but have now succumbed to propaganda.
They usually live an active retirement, and it has all been taken, and they just want to get back to normal, and if the vaccine does that, then they are fine with it. As well, they have had a good life.
I was critical from the beginning and did my research, and was surprised that my family, even my sister who is not a fan of conventional medicine, are not prepared to listen to another point of view.
To keep the peace and have a relationship, I have to bite my tongue.
Thank you for the Lockdown Sceptics community!

398998 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Silke David, #576 of 1678 🔗

V for Vendetta – the Movie and the Present / UKs Hannah Dean Banned from Hospitals

399748 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #577 of 1678 🔗

I had the same discussion with my mother last night. She is due to receive the second shot Tuesday. The first put her in bed for two days. The irony is, she survived COVID in December. But she “trusts the FDA.”

398445 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 8, #578 of 1678 🔗


I challenge anyone to listen to this audio recording which is a phone call with a woman in hospital who describes what’s going on in a ward with elderly patients, who are being ignored by staff while they plead for help, for water…
You can hear another patient calling out for help in the background.

It’s too close to what’s been happening in hospitals across the country, for decades, to be faked.
If it is faked, it’s still very representative of what too many of us have seen for ourselves.

398486 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 6, #579 of 1678 🔗

It was said initially that people were afraid of going into hospital because they might ”catch it”, so they weren’t calling for help. That may be so for some. But I always felt that the main reason was because people realised that, if they were unfortunate enough to need hospital treatment, then they would be torn away from their families and would have no-one to visit them, or comfort them, even in extremis.
They’d rather die at home. And so would I.

398449 Basics, replying to Basics, #580 of 1678 🔗

Technical scrolling issue.
is anyone else being returned to the top of the ATL page when ever they rotare device from protrait to landscape? Perhaps it is just my low RAM that is causing the problem.

398661 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Basics, #581 of 1678 🔗

Are you using an Android phone? This website is absolutely terrible on my phone.

399132 ▶▶ Alex, replying to Basics, #582 of 1678 🔗

I get this on my iPad all the time. It drives me nuts. I take a mental note of any photos or graphs or very long posts as I read down, so that I can get back to roughly where I was by quickly scrolling through again. If it was any other website, I would give up, but as I enjoy being a part of this great community, I just put up with it…

398459 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 3, #583 of 1678 🔗

As some of you on here may possibly know, Portugal (my wife’s homeland) is dear to my heart and this really saddens me.

I do wonder why the UK didn’t feature!

Portugal has fallen from a category in the Index of Democracy drawn up annually by The Economist, from being a “fully democratic country” down to the category of a “democracy with flaws”, a step backwards driven by the restrictive measures imposed by the pandemic.

398464 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to SimonCook, #584 of 1678 🔗

Fantastic times, Portugal isn’t democratic but the UK is – hurrah!

398473 ▶▶ iane, replying to SimonCook, #585 of 1678 🔗

Goodness, the standard for “fully democratic country” must be set incredibly low!

398515 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to iane, 2, #586 of 1678 🔗

Citizens assemblies running in the uk now shaping climate policy. That fraudulent system is a very deep low. Feed 1000 folk with chosen scientists opions and information.. Delphi the discussion. Hold the vote. Outcome as wanted all along. Policy set. Elected representatives point at the 1000 regular people and say democracy.

That system has just had an out come to install every house in Scotland with a £15k hydrogen ‘boiler’. That these things are barely commercially available and not affordable to most people doesn’t matter. The democratic process has spoken.

398595 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 3, #587 of 1678 🔗

Emailed my MP to tell her to vote against lockdowns. She said she voted in line with her party. Not in line with the wishes of her constituents, but with the party’s wishes. Elected representatives, my arse.

398482 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to SimonCook, 1, #588 of 1678 🔗

That’ll teach them to keep their judges in line.

398490 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to rockoman, 5, #589 of 1678 🔗

Stopped reading the Economist years ago.
It’s very well written garbage.

398923 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stewart, #590 of 1678 🔗

Indeed! I agree. Such a disappointment.

398928 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to SimonCook, #591 of 1678 🔗

Interesting. I’ve used this index in research (though Varieties of Democracy is probably a better index). At least in Portugal there was some opposition to the knee-jerk responses to the Rona. For example, opposition parties spoke out against the initial plan to require everyone to have the magic ‘app’ on their smart phones (ignoring the fact that not everyone has a compatible, fully charged smart phone, etc, etc).

398472 Banjones, 6, #592 of 1678 🔗

So – the floggings will continue until morale improves…

398480 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #593 of 1678 🔗

David Davis (@DavidDavisMP) Tweeted:
The Andalusians appear to have had an extremely good result from providing activated Vitamin D, calcifediol, to care home residents and some GP patients. Today I asked @BorisJohnson to look into the latest evidence from Spain on this cheap, safe and effective treatment. https://t.co/oiSkmJEvIg https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1356970108774678528?s=20

short video of david davis asking

398600 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 4, #594 of 1678 🔗

They don’t care about cheap, safe, and effective. If they did they would be using HCQ. They care about expensive. Gotta keep big pharma fat!

398481 stewart, replying to stewart, 7, #595 of 1678 🔗

I’m sure the plan is to eventually. impose hotel quarantines for all overseas arrivals. They’re just doing it bit by bit because there would be too much outrage if it was done in one go. They need to get people to start getting used to the idea.

People have already bought in to the idea that the New Zealand approach is the right one. But they need get comfortable with the price: no foreign travel.

Most people also see the brutal surgical lockdowns that come from time to time with Australia, China style country isolation as a small price to pay that hopefully they won’t ever have to experience personally.

Zero-covid government is definitely coming. There is no stopping it now.

398491 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to stewart, 9, #596 of 1678 🔗

A crusade against an endemic virus…

Further proof that there is no upper limit to the stupidity of midwit politicians.

398537 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stewart, 1, #597 of 1678 🔗

The elite will be exempt
They always are

398632 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stewart, #598 of 1678 🔗

Unless you have the vaccine and produce your vaccine passport, they will get what they want one way or the other. I do think there will be some kind of kickback eventually but I am not holding my breath for it currently!

399091 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to stewart, #599 of 1678 🔗

And they don’t need to build a wall to keep us in, we already have a moat.

Looks like the only way we’ll be able to go abroad is to wait for dinghy of “refugees” and sail it back across the Channel…

398484 masksniffer22, 2, #600 of 1678 🔗

I watched some of Question Time. Truly astonishing. Religious dogma , zero covid , being marshalled, codified, and marshalling and disciplining its devotees, in real time.

I mean surely the bbc did not hand pick the zoom audience to that level of detail? Maybe they did..

and the exact same moral class would have been zealously open-border 2 years ago.

I have to say I’m enjoying the spectacle. This is History, this is Human Psychology in action

398495 Jo Starlin, 4, #601 of 1678 🔗

May have been posted already, but Hitchens has put together a clear guide to how “Covid” deaths are recorded, with commentary from the always excellent John Lee.


398500 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #602 of 1678 🔗

FoI Request: Pathogenic priming as cause of death from Dec 2020 to end of Jan 2021

Currently waiting for a response from Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency , they should respond promptly and normally no later than 25 February 2021 ( details ).

398739 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, #603 of 1678 🔗

Good work! It would be interesting to read their reply.

398501 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #604 of 1678 🔗

Saw this quote in a local news item

“Following a Freedom of Information Request, Cumbria Constabulary has confirmed that in first 11 months of 2020, the force’s officers were called to 78 sudden deaths which were suspected suicides. Twenty related to people under 35. In 2018, the force were called to 55 suspected suicides. Last year the figure was 65”

That’s interesting information in itself. But let’s do some calculations to try and put that in context.

Let’s assume that the normal suspected suicide rate is 60 per year (based on the average of the previous 2 years) or 5 per month in Cumbria. So there might be 63 suicides in the 8 months from April 2020 to November 2020 (78 – 3 x 5), or about 8 suicides per month.

So that’s about 3 suicides because of lockdown per month.

Let’s now assume that these avoidable suicides because of all the economic affects of this continue for 5 years.

That’s 180 lockdown suicides in Cumbria (3 x 12 x 5).

Let’s assume that the average number of years of life lost for each suicide was 30 years (Source of 30 figure: CPH report of August 2014: Avoidable Mortality in Cumbria: A Case File Review of 78 Suicides).

And let’s assume that the average years of life lost for each covid labelled death is no more than 1 year (which I think must be the case). So each suicide is perhaps 30x more years of life lost than a covid labelled death on average.

So lockdown suicides alone account for 30 x 180 = 5,400 years of life lost, call it 5,000

There have been around 1,071 covid labelled deaths in Cumbria so that is around 1,071 years of life lost, call it 1,000.

So suicides alone in Cumbria have caused without particularly heroic assumptions 5 times more loss of years of life than covid (5,000 vs 1,000). And suicides form a mere part of the deaths caused by lockdown (missed cancer screenings and treatment etc etc etc etc etc)

Of course you can query the assumptions. But I think you can at the very least say that the loss of life from lockdown suicides on it’s own is comparable with the loss of life from covid in Cumbria.

Then factor in that the suicides and other deaths caused by lockdown were preventable but the covid deaths weren’t materially (if at all) preventable (see the multiple scientific papers).

The lockdown zealots think they think but do they?

Anybody able to check the logic/maths?

398522 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #605 of 1678 🔗


Alcohol related deaths highest on NI record. No doubt lockdown played a huge role in this.

398526 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #606 of 1678 🔗

Almost one year into lockdowns and there is no cost-benefit analysis. And it will never be! Because it is about control, not about people health!

398734 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheClone, 1, #607 of 1678 🔗

👍 For some reason the majority think politicians care about us and our health. They are unbelievably gullible.

398582 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #608 of 1678 🔗

Your assumptions are rightly conservative. The numbers and logic are fine.

I think your assumption of one year of life lost due to a ‘covid death’ was generous. We know this because in many countries the March/April mortality spike led to no or little ‘excess mortality’ on an annual basis.

You could factor in, if you wished, the quality of life of those years lost, which would, of course, strengthen the argument.

398642 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to rockoman, #609 of 1678 🔗

Thanks and all good points.

August 2020 was the lowest monthly Age Standardised Mortality rate in England certainly in the past 20 years, and probably ever. Given that normal healthcare was difficult to access, that can only really be the case if a considerable number of people had had their lives ‘shortened’ by covid by a few months.

The covid labelled deaths such as incidental positives (as opposed to deaths from covid) involve no loss of life. Deaths in care homes can only involve a short loss of life (given the average stay is around 2 years).

But as you say the lack of notable ‘excess mortality’ in many countries is important and mortality in 2019 in England was low and so meant there was a lot of ‘dry tinder’ in 2020 (for want of a better phrase) .

So I’d agree that 1 is a conservative estimate to avoid understating the covid lives lost.

398587 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #610 of 1678 🔗

Are there any suicides where the police are not called in? If so overall the number will be higher.

398598 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #611 of 1678 🔗

Considering even the government are very aware of the high suicide rates in normal times, particularly in West Cumbria, the numbers I am sure will only increase as the economic and unemployment damage continues. I agree with the post that the numbers are probably higher due to the police not always being called. Very sobering figures.

Of course Cumbria also saw very high rates of suicides during the foot and mouth outbreak caused totally by Ferguson getting his numbers wrong.


398657 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, #612 of 1678 🔗

Interesting link.

Hadn’t thought about the affect on suicide rates on the farming communities in Cumbria, during foot and mouth, and of course Ferguson was at the crime scene there too.

398682 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #613 of 1678 🔗

Sadly very high suicide rates, those who survived were encouraged to diversify, many did ironically into tourism so are experiencing problems again.

398512 Liberty, 8, #614 of 1678 🔗

I wrote a little poem to share with you today.

Lockdown Pain

I just want to see my dad,
Surely that can’t be so bad?
In church I want to sing and praise,
I’m holding on for better days.

We’re missing life with our friends,
When will lockdown ever end?
We’re missing people in our homes,
We’re sick and tired of being alone.

Gran never used to live in fear,
But I’m seeing her life disappear,
She’s giving up and letting go,
Accepting that this must be so.

How many have to die alone?
So many dying on their own,
Corona isn’t all to blame,
This lockdown’s causing far more pain.

398521 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #615 of 1678 🔗

The Eurosurveillance response to the science backed demand for the Drosten PCR paper to be retracted, and…

the determination for HCQ, Ivermectin, Vit D, etc not to be accepted by the medical establishments as effective treatments for covid (can’t have emergency licencing of an experimental vaccine if there are effective treatments)….

demonstrates that science is irrelevant when it comes to covid – the power and money behind the casedemic is massive, mass murder has been committed, there is too much to lose for those with blood on their hands.

the scientists and Dr’s that can see what is going on are mainly too scared to do anything.

RIP science

398573 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #616 of 1678 🔗

for those that can’t keep up and don’t really understand what’s actually going on (and for those that do please correct me, I am no scientist or expert);

Eurosueveillance is a medical publication that published the Drosten PCR paper that all the PCR test are based on (Prof Drosten is a German ”scientist”). Many scientists, including world experts on PCR testing, have asked that the paper is retracted – mainly because it is bollocks science. The ‘pandemic’ since last summer is entirely based on the fraudulent use of this test.

398840 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Major Panic, 2, #617 of 1678 🔗

That’s right and Eurosurveillance basically just investigated themselves and concluded that they’d done nothing wrong… quelle surprise

398538 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 45, #618 of 1678 🔗

So here we go..I have just been notified at work that I will have to have a little talk with HR because of an email I sent to another manager who is on the same level as myself. The issue was that a young , fully fit woman has some issue s with her equipment so she needs us to contact her broadband provider as her manager wants her to be productive. In my rage I wrote this: If she want to be productive she can come to the office, they are empty anyway so she will be socially distanced to an 10000th degree.

Another manager thought that this was not in the spirit of the lockdown so he reported me to HR where I will now have a full inquisition. He is a complete lockdown zealot and washes every packet he brings from the shop, seriously!!

I’m a front line key worker who has been coming into the office for every day since the start of this Plandemic while everybody else works from home and cries how hard it is why posting pictures of banana bread on our company website..Fuck this world,fuck this country..I’m so done

398544 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #619 of 1678 🔗

Not in the spirit of lockdown.Im sure that’s not law yet!

398552 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #620 of 1678 🔗

Stick to your guns Thomas. Don’t apologise. Calmly state how you have been to the office every day and ask if they would prefer you to work from home baking banana bread. See how that goes down!

398556 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #621 of 1678 🔗

I know how you feel, but my disillusioned advice advice is: grovel. It isn’t worth losing your job over. Say you regret any offence taken by an individual. (Real meaning: if anybody was so cretinous as to take offence, tough. But don’t actually say that.)
Don’t say you didn’t mean what you said. You did mean it, and you were entirely right. But cover your a..e. And if necessary, lie. Live to fight another day.

398688 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Annie, 2, #622 of 1678 🔗

Something along the lines of you thought that if someone can’t work from home , they should be working in the office and there is no problem working in the office. Would HR prefer that they sat doing nothing at home -if so that is unfair on you who ismaking the effort to work productively.

398785 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 10, #623 of 1678 🔗

Better still. Play the victim card. Say you’ve been going in to work all this time, facing the danger day in day out, and the stress and pressure is getting to you.

Self-victimisation is the most effective tool for manipulation of our times.

398685 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #624 of 1678 🔗

Sorry to hear this. We had a similar problem and gave a similar solution. Miraculously this cured the IT issues instantly. All managers were in agreement that inviting the member of staff to use the empty offices would be a better use of (rapidly dwindling) resources than letting them skive off indefinitely or buying a new laptop or paying for a Virgin media upgrade for her house or whatever she thought she’d be able to blag.

398699 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #625 of 1678 🔗

In today’s climate, you have to bite your tongue.

You’ll be horsewhipped by a committee of 20-something girls and the men who would like to go to bed with them.

It’s hateful, but true.

If I did and said the sort of things at work now that I could get away with 20 years ago, I’d be completely unemployable.

398705 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #626 of 1678 🔗

Rip these fools a new one. Good luck. I feel for you. I have no idea how you manage to carry on like you do. Respect indeed.

398768 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #627 of 1678 🔗

Why can’t she contact the broadband provider herself? Or buy a new router, that solves most problems.

398542 Bella Donna, 4, #628 of 1678 🔗

Covid is the UKs biggest business opportunity now that The Clown has destroyed our economy.

Clap for Covid 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

398546 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #629 of 1678 🔗

The people pushing covid are nothing more than liars. The sole basis of their argument is that there is no other way.

The evidence is clear, there are other ways. That’s all we need to know when it comes to the zero covid argument.

398778 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #630 of 1678 🔗

There is no other way …for them.

They can’t let up because doing so would be an admission of failure and they would be crucified for collateral damage they have created.

It’s also a pretty safe route for now. The only pressure they seem to get is from zealots who want to impose CCP type population control on all of us. So as long as they are just a bit less radical than them, they’re safe. For now, anyway.

if the mood changes they can shift away from the zealots to a less authoritarian position which is completely empty right now of anybody of any importance.

398555 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #631 of 1678 🔗

There is some good reading in the latest edition of TheLight Truthpaper:


398591 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basileus, #632 of 1678 🔗

Thank you.

398557 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #633 of 1678 🔗

I’ve been thinking about a reply I got from AidanR yesterday when I was commenting on my Dad’s sudden collapse into Covid terror along with his loathing of hospitals. He pointed out that what really terrifies a lot of people is the fear of going into hospital at the moment.

I think he’s spot on. For all the “Gawd bless our enaychess heroes” and the clapping, people know deep down that our hospitals are bloody awful places that are the most likely way to pick up fatal infections, staffed by masked automatons and out of communication with your loved ones.

The cognitive dissonance this causes is yet another thing driving everyone mad.

398567 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #634 of 1678 🔗

The seal clappers are the ones who are confident they won’t end up in hospital themselves. It’s like the cretins who want crap comprehensives for other people’s children while sending their own to private schools.

398641 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, -1, #635 of 1678 🔗

They bring about penalties for their own children.

The Direct Grant, much feted private schools near us always published their ‘A’-level results in the press.

So it was difficult not to smile when both our children – attending the local comprehensive – both achieved as good results in their respective years (at no cost) as any in the ‘giyuz the money’ sector.

398662 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 4, #636 of 1678 🔗

A-level results mean nothing compared to the network of contacts kids at private schools and elite universities get.

It’s not a coincidence that we are lead by thicko donkeys with PPE degrees from Oxford and non-exec directorships and patronages coming out of their ears.

398604 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #637 of 1678 🔗

It is not uncommon to have people take heart rate monitors away from hospitals to get accurate readings.

Obviously many reasons why a resting rate might be higher at hospital, the effect of just being there is one.

398630 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #638 of 1678 🔗

My dad is the same. He was in really bad shape at the end of December and he refused to go to hospital for fear of getting covid. He said he’ll go when he’s feeling better. Now he’s feeling better and says “why should i go? i’m all better”. So… yeah… don’t expect reason to work.

398559 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #639 of 1678 🔗

Let’s face it unless you have a lab coat or letters in front of your name no one listens to you…

398625 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #640 of 1678 🔗

Tell that to the people who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

398680 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #641 of 1678 🔗

Good point lol

398572 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #643 of 1678 🔗

I wish themluck, but…

398637 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basileus, #644 of 1678 🔗

Excellent I wonder how long this will take?

398811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 1, #645 of 1678 🔗

He needs professional help I feel

398564 Gill, replying to Gill, 32, #646 of 1678 🔗

Some of you may be aware that one of our btl regulars, Nick Rose, started to experience symptoms of COVID last week and subsequently tested positive. I was in regular contact with him and became concerned about his breathing. I encouraged him to phone NHS 111 and 999 but they were worse than useless and did nothing. I lost contact with him on Monday but had his parents’ number. They were also concerned and sent his brother and sister-in-law (a nurse) round to check on him. They found him collapsed and unresponsive and called an ambulance. Unfortunately it was too late and he died.

I hadn’t known Nick long but we had become close. He was a lovely, kind man who believed passionately in the anti-lockdown cause. I can’t believe he has gone.

398570 ▶▶ Will, replying to Gill, 12, #647 of 1678 🔗

So sorry to hear that news. RIP Nick Rose.

398578 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Gill, 23, #648 of 1678 🔗

I walked and talked with him only a few weeks ago. A lovely man who lived and loved the outdoors and freedom.
For once I would agree with anybody who said this death was a tragedy. We will remember you with honour, Nick.

398580 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Gill, 9, #649 of 1678 🔗

Damn 🙁

RIP Nick.

398581 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Gill, 10, #650 of 1678 🔗

That is devestating. RIP.

398588 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Gill, 14, #651 of 1678 🔗

Oh no….I remember Nick Rose here. How sad. Please pass our condolences on to his family if you can, must be awful for them.

398597 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Gill, 15, #652 of 1678 🔗

That’s terrible news, Gill. I am so sorry. I have become accustomed over the weeks I have been looking at this website to seeing Nick’s regular balanced and informative posts. It’s an understatement for me to say he will be missed.

398605 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to Gill, 13, #653 of 1678 🔗

Gosh Gill, thank you for bringing this to all our attentions. I believe I was engaged in a series of discussions with him very recently on here. This is quite a shock, and very sad. Please pass on my condolences to his family. He will be very much missed by us all on here.

398621 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Gill, 4, #654 of 1678 🔗

I am very sad to hear this Gill. Nick was a prolific contributor here.

… but what are the symptoms of covid?

398634 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Gill, 7, #655 of 1678 🔗

Dreadful news, I always enjoyed Nick’s contributions. May he RIP. Thanks for letting us know Gill and sorry for your loss.

398636 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Gill, 13, #656 of 1678 🔗

I’m so very, very sorry to read this. I always enjoyed reading Nick’s comments. I know we are all strangers on here, but I send my sincere condolences to his family.

398638 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Gill, 6, #657 of 1678 🔗

I am shocked to hear this. Was he not the one doing great things with graphs/stats?

398679 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to silverbirch, 1, #658 of 1678 🔗

Nick’s posts were always excellent

398766 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to silverbirch, 2, #659 of 1678 🔗

You’re thinking of NickR, a different contributor.

398652 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Gill, 7, #660 of 1678 🔗

Very sad news. He talked a lot of sense. Condolences to his family.

398653 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Gill, 7, #661 of 1678 🔗

Awful news. He was a valued contributor here and I will miss reading his insightful posts. My condolences go to you and Nick’s family.

398667 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Gill, 11, #662 of 1678 🔗

I am so sad and angry to learn that Nick was denied appropriate healthcare when he needed it. This could happen to any of us or our families, whether our illness was covid-related or not. What a mixed up, dysfunctional world we are living in. Sympathies for your loss, Gill.

398670 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Gill, 10, #663 of 1678 🔗

So sad to hear that.

Although I didn’t know Nick personally, it is the humanity, common sense and community of posters here that is helping me through.

So sorry for your loss Gill.

RIP Nick.

398673 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Gill, 11, #664 of 1678 🔗

Oh that is so so sad, Nick was such a great poster on here with a lovely balanced view point. I shall miss his posts very much indeed.

Thank you Gill for making us all aware of what happened, sending you and all of us in this community love and hugs.

398696 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Gill, #665 of 1678 🔗


398891 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to arfurmo, #666 of 1678 🔗

‘below the line” i.e. comments forum contributor

(If you see ‘atl’ that denotes “above the line” i.e. website articles)

398713 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Gill, 4, #667 of 1678 🔗

So shocking and very sad. Thank goodness he had a friend in you Gill.

398716 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gill, 4, #668 of 1678 🔗

WOW that is really terrible news. SO sad. I really thought that I would meet up with him one day soon.

398971 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #669 of 1678 🔗

Me and Mrs Two-Six are really really gutted about this today. I am really upset.
I looked back a bit and I think these were his last two posts.

Nick Rose
7 days ago 29th Jan 2021

Have been very under the weather the past few days. An irritating cough that turned persistent, together with loss of taste and smell. Yesterday went for that test (yuck). Just waiting for the results. I can’t duck it, because working in a factory, I owe it to my colleagues. Nobody wants to be anywhere near somebody coughing and spluttering every twenty minutes.

Knowing my luck, I’ll get a false negative. I’ve always liked to be different!

Nick Rose
6 days ago 30th Jan2021
Reply to Andrew K

It’s not that this agenda exists that is disputed, only the lunatic conclusions some people have reached concerning some of its aims that are highly questionable.

R.I.P indeed. I am going to miss his posts, he really did seem like a friend.
Fuck tears…

398977 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #670 of 1678 🔗

Now there is a fucking rainbow outside…

399032 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #671 of 1678 🔗

Fuck tears…”

Indeed. I find it best to remember a person by who they were, what they did, than spend overlong lamenting the moment when Fortune finally overcame them. She will overcome us all eventually, we need not give Fortune any more power over our minds than she already has.

398722 ▶▶ davews, replying to Gill, 4, #672 of 1678 🔗

Oh dear, that is awful.

398728 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Gill, 2, #673 of 1678 🔗


A pity that he’s now counted as another victim of Scam-19, what would he have thought of that?

398752 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Gill, 6, #674 of 1678 🔗

Really sad news, he was a great BTL poster and will be missed. Best wishes to his family.

398756 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Gill, 4, #675 of 1678 🔗

So sorry, Gill, terrible news.

I recall Nick’s posts as ones I would read, nod my head to and uptick. Sad to lose him here and sad for his family and yourself.

398758 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Gill, -4, #676 of 1678 🔗

He’s not missing much tbh.

398773 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Gill, 7, #677 of 1678 🔗

Such sad news. I really enjoyed reading Nick’s posts on here. Sending my condolences to his family.

398952 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Gill, 4, #678 of 1678 🔗

Sorry to hear the news, RIP Nick Rose

It’s sad that the NHS failed him when he needed them the most.

Please pass on my condolences

399062 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Gill, 4, #679 of 1678 🔗

Thanks, Gill, for letting us know. I did wonder why I hadn’t heard from him lately.

Nick and I go back quite a bit. I knew him as a fellow contibutor on Guido (on the sane side, I should add).

I am very sad today.

RIP Nick (one of the truly good guys). 🙁

399335 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Ceriain, 4, #680 of 1678 🔗

Indeed RIP Nick….used to enjoy reading his protest reports….always very balanced. A sad loss.

399300 ▶▶ Erica, replying to Gill, 3, #681 of 1678 🔗

Like you, Gill, I cannot believe that Nick has gone. We knew each other through this site and went on some protests together. He was one of the soundest people I have ever met, full of goodness and wisdom.

If you would be open to being in touch I would very much like to make contact. I can be messaged through the PM system on the Forums (just search for my name).

Lost for any more words just now.

399589 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Erica, 1, #682 of 1678 🔗

Thanks Erica, I’ve sent you a PM.

399526 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Gill, 2, #683 of 1678 🔗

I can only echo what everyone else has said – this is terribly sad news, and our thoughts are with Nick’s family and friends.
We have all come to recognise the regular posters here – their personalities have become so familiar that it is as if we know each other.
A very sad day – Nick Rose’s wise words will be missed by all of us.

398574 MichalP, replying to MichalP, 13, #684 of 1678 🔗

I know this is not UK related, but a small update from Poland. Today government announced that cinemas, theaters, operas, all sport’s outdoor activities, swimming pools, skiing facilities, hotels are to be reopened in 2 weeks for a two week trial period. All to be operated within 50% capacity.

This joins shopping malls, museums, art galleries that have been reopened this week. Small children are back to school from last week. This essentially brings us close to June 2020 reopening, but masks indoor and outdoor stays.

398583 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to MichalP, 3, #685 of 1678 🔗

I didn’t know masks outdoors were mandated in Poland.
My sister in law is Polish and she managed to get there last summer to see her elderly parents. She normally goes over about 4-5 times a year to see them and is upset that she doesn’t know when she will get the chance now, especially with the quarantine hotel stuff now.

398618 ▶▶▶ MichalP, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #686 of 1678 🔗

Yes, you have to wear mask outdoors. It has been a policy since around October 2020 and majority of people are doing it, but I only heard about several instances of police reminding people to put on the mask.

Sorry to hear about your sister in law, tough on families separated by this madness.

398586 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to MichalP, 9, #687 of 1678 🔗

Michal these updates are welcomed much more than UK updates. It’s all doom and gllom over here.

398608 ▶▶▶ MichalP, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #688 of 1678 🔗

I’m following the news from UK on lockdowns and restrictions and simply cannot believe when comparing what is happening in UK and here in Poland. We are in lockdown technically as well, but this is so different.

398590 Basileus, 5, #689 of 1678 🔗

Corona children studies “Co-Ki”: First results of a Germany-wide registry on mouth and nose covering (mask) in children



398609 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 7, #690 of 1678 🔗

I’m nearly 71 yrs old and have just received my vaccination invitation letter. In the enclosed guide it says this:

”Overall fewer than 1 in 100 people who are infected will die from COVID-19, but in those over 75 yrs of age this rises to 1 in 10.”

I’m dead against the whole shebang but could someone please explain how this high figure for the over 75’s has been arrived at?

398610 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Marialta, 7, #691 of 1678 🔗

Putting covid on death certificates when it wasn’t the cause of death, at a guess.

Dying with, not from.

398616 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to this is my username, 3, #692 of 1678 🔗

Thanks, I’m seeing red this morning

398658 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, 3, #693 of 1678 🔗

Of course it is a notifiable death and whilst it remains the numbers will remain high. The fact that it can go on a death certificate without anyone actually seeing the person to confirm diagnosis will increase the numbers. This information is all contained within government and PHE documents put in place in March/April 2020.

398620 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Marialta, 3, #694 of 1678 🔗

That is shocking to have on an invitation letter.

398649 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #695 of 1678 🔗

YES it’s there so blatantly and who the hell wouldn’t sit up and think OMG 1 in 10 that’s a very good likelihood of death. I have a demanding role – I care for my disabled grandson and up to my neck in trying to help my family survive through nursery closures, cancelled therapies and closed facilities.

398647 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Marialta, 7, #697 of 1678 🔗

Age is just part of the equation of not fighting off a cold or flu. There are healthy 90 years old and not healthy 50 years old. There’s a lot I don’t know about the world but one thing I’m sure of; if a cold or a flue kill me I was already on deaths doorstep before the virus found me.

398836 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Marialta, 3, #698 of 1678 🔗

There are roughly 10.5 million people aged 60-79 in England. And 24,169 hospital deaths labelled as covid have occurred in England in that category.

Let’s assume you are mid risk in that category, which may be reasonable given your age,

So even if the vaccine had been available say in January 2020 and it was 100% effective it would mean your odds of the vaccine preventing your death being labelled as covid up to now would be about

24,169/10,500,000 = 0.2% or 1 in 500

Some of those deaths were from covid but many probably most are with covid (so the vaccine doesn’t help there) so maybe it is less than a 0.1% chance of preventing your death or 1 in 1,000.

The epidemic is essentially over, the virus is now endemic and so the odds of dying in the future with your death caused by covid is going to be much much less than 0.1%, because the number of future covid deaths is likely to be less than the number of covid labelled deaths that have happened up to now (even if we assumed nobody was vaccinated).

And if you’ve no comorbidities your risk of dying from covid is very very small indeed.

So the benefit of an experimental vaccine to you is likely to be very very small especially if you have no comorbidities.

The 1 in 10 figure is meaningless and seems to be have been provided out of context. It’s probably based on how many 75s have died with or from covid divided by the number who have tested positive at some timepoint. However if you’ve encountered the virus but never been tested for covid then you aren’t in the bottom bit of that calculation.

It’s like them saying your chance of dying in a car accident if you have a serious car crash next year is 10%. The point is you aren’t likely to have a serious car crash, and so their claim is like saying “the chance of you dying in a serious car crash is 10% so we advise you not to drive”.

But you have to weigh up the harms and potential harms against the benefits (take into account your own health and other individual considerations) and make an informed decision yourself, and make your choice based on that.

398888 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #699 of 1678 🔗

Thanks so much – maths was never my strong point, I just smelt a huge rat but wanted to be able to explain when some of my my compliant family and friends berate me for not having it!

398612 Victoria, #700 of 1678 🔗
398614 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #701 of 1678 🔗

I feel for Toby Young battling against the assault from the Covid maniacs. They are beyond rationality – a cult.

But his attempt to justify the sceptic position is actually a concession.

Sceptics do not have to make any justification – just make the demand ‘Show me’.

… i.e provide evidence that :

  • SARS-CoV-2 is significantly different in historical terms than a multitude of other infections, as gauged by all-cause mortality
  • That each treatment and NPI… shows a beneficial effect, balanced against harm, within a accepted range of probability.

This is just simple scientific method (the real meaning of ‘follow the Science’). Should the evidence not convincingly meet the criteria, the relevant hypothesis is rejected.

Anyone who tries to buck that framework is indulging in belief, not science and shouldn’t be let anywhere near policy formation.

The need for justification lies entirely on the cult’s side. Scepticism is science.

398629 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to RickH, 8, #702 of 1678 🔗

“Sceptics do not have to make any justification – just make the demand ‘Show me’.”

A very important point!

398640 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 4, #703 of 1678 🔗

Sars Cov2 is no different to Hcov-Oc43
If you’d have tested for Hcov-Oc43 in Jan 2018 (60K dead) you would have had similar numbers for that winter season

398664 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 8, #704 of 1678 🔗

Exactly what I’ve said before. The burden of proof is entirely on their side as it is all their policies that are destroying peoples lives, not ours. Their data, their rationale, their proof of efficacy, their ethical standpoint, their political legitimacy, their measures of success, their adherence to their own rules, their desire to search for alternatives, their conflicts of interest, their methods of persuasion and their motives should be absolutely unimpeachable. Nothing less can justify the harm that has been done.

398617 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 81, #705 of 1678 🔗

I was forwarded this, I don’t know who wrote it but I feel much the same.

Anyone who thinks that social distancing is a good idea for the next few years actually wants to be micro-chipped or thinks that a ‘benevolent’ dictatorship is for the good of humanity, I don’t want to give that point of view any of my energy.
I am a free human being and if you want to stay home, stay home. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. That is your sovereign right to choose. But remember, breathing in your own Co2 and waste matter is very detrimental to your health and weakens your immune system. If you want to cover your hands and arms in hand sanitizers, using them like suncream, that is your sovereign choice. But remember, before all these lies started hand sanitizers carried health risks. Those health risks still exist and using hand sanitizers constantly also leads to weakening of your immune system amongst other things.
If you want to avoid large crowds, avoid large crowds. That’s your sovereign right to choose.
I am not required to descend into poverty for YOU.
I am not required to abstain from human contact for YOU.
I refuse to participate in “quarantine life” until there’s an unsafe, untested vaccine released in eighteen months.
I refuse to receive a vaccine to make others feel safer because that is MY sovereign right to choose!
If you’re convinced the vaccine is safe and effective, you can get it yourself.
Some of you are allowing fear and policies devoid of scientifically accurate data to destroy the country you live in and ruin your life.
We have a constitutional right to take risks. Life is full of bacteria and viruses, many of which spread before symptoms manifest and after they subside.
We have a sovereign right to receive OR refuse vaccines.
The data was inaccurate at best; purposely overblown to justify government overreaction at worst.
Stop allowing the government to destroy:
The food supply;
Small businesses;
Medical autonomy;
Access to healthcare;
Mass gatherings;
Privacy rights;
Our mental health & freedom
When the “new normal” is filled with starvation, depression, suicide, child abuse, domestic violence, imprisonment, governmental spying, and pure DESPERATION, the “virus” is going to look preferable to the world you helped facilitate.
I’m going to turn this around on people from now on. Those who say I’m (or anyone that supports this) putting money over lives by wanting the country back open for business, hear this:
-YOU don’t care about the people who will kill themselves out of hopelessness
-YOU don’t care about small businesses that’ll close their doors (THEIR LIVELIHOOD) permanently
-YOU don’t care about the children/women/men who will be victims of domestic abuse
-YOU don’t care about people defaulting on their mortgages
-YOU don’t care about bills going unpaid by families with ZERO income right now
-YOU don’t care about people wondering where their next meal will come from
-YOU don’t care about the people who will lose their sobriety and slip back into alcoholism
-YOU don’t care about the people who will starve
-YOU support the inevitable looting that’ll take place
-YOU don’t care about anyone who is murdered the longer this shut down goes on
-YOU don’t care about people’s mental health
-YOU don’t care about the children who DO need teachers and educators to guild & educate them
-YOU don’t care about the economy crashing down around us
-YOU love your shackles
-YOU are pathetic, begging your leaders for MORE shut down and MORE regulations and MORE handouts
I will NOT tolerate another person telling me that I don’t care about lives.
I care about the situation in its entirety.
But YOU don’t care about any of that so…
YOU stay home.
YOU wear a mask.
YOU live in fear.
I on the other hand will not as is my sovereign right to choose NOT TO!” 🌿

398672 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #706 of 1678 🔗

Huzzah! A magnificent clarion call for freedom! I am copying this in case I need to do some shouting from the rooftops in the near future. 🙂

398794 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #707 of 1678 🔗

Three cheers for the author of this!!

Have copied and pasted this in case I need to bash a few heads against the wall.

398804 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #708 of 1678 🔗

Yes, I like to credit them but it came via forwarded telegram posts.

399144 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #709 of 1678 🔗


398619 Victoria, 2, #710 of 1678 🔗

Founder’s Q&A


398635 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 54, #711 of 1678 🔗

We were musing yet again about what’s behind the appallingly complacent and compliant attitudes of friends and acquaintances in our demographic (late 60s – early 80s, higher-educated, comfortably pensioned.)  So far it has been almost unanimous, with a couple of shining exceptions.

Otherwise, every single bloody one of them buys the Government’s every last lie. There is no questioning, no doubting. They all ‘stick to the guidelines’ or they do when it suits them; they believe that they are in great danger from The Virus and now its ‘variants’ and ‘asymptomatic transmission’; they all wear face-nappies and they think the ‘vaccine’ will get us back to normal. Everything will mystically come right and, if it doesn’t, oh well, it won’t be that bad.

A friend phoned. She believes the Government must be ‘cautious’ or ‘numbers will start rising again.’ I did my best, I honestly did but I know she wasn’t really listening. She doesn’t want to know. A long-ago ex-partner emailed. He and his wife are totally bought-in even though she is a strong campaigner against the destruction of the NHS. I did my best with him too but his reply made no reference to anything I had said.

We’ve always been left-ish, we have supported those who challenge the MSM and its lying propaganda for decades and we never expect truth to come out of the mouths of politicians. People who have been ‘out on a limb’ for years, picking apart the lies, propaganda and manufactured consent of the MSM and Governments just can’t see what’s going on with the Scamdemic. Some get offended if you try to reason with them. They will not even refer to it in their writing. They fulminate against the treatment of Julian Assange, the SNP stitch-up of Alex Salmond, the witch-hunt against Jeremy Corbyn, the censorship of anyone opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestine. But Covid? Nothing to see here.

On here, we’re all aware of the ‘Victims of Comfort’ phenomenon – generous pensions, big house and garden, heating, good food, everything on Zoom, Netflix, Facebook, Snapchat, all nice and safe from icky bio-hazards . They don’t even seem to care that they don’t see their grandchildren.  It’s much too dangerous and it’s ‘against the guidelines’, you know.

We started wondering if, after all, advancing age is part of the problem.  When you’re 70+, it’s all so much effort:

When you’re older, it takes effort to:

  • socialise properly i.e. listen to and engage with people, especially if you’re going a bit deaf.
  • to keep fit.
  • to go shopping.
  • to plan and cook a meal for friends. I
  • to turn out on a cold evening for a hobby or fitness class or a meeting.
  • to go out for a meal or to try and keep up with conversation in a pub.
  • to have the family round all noisy and squabbling and 2 of them playing the piano at once and on their smart-phones and suddenly deciding that what you’ve cooked has mystically appeared on their dislike list.

Here’s why why we think we don’t fit in:

We think we may cause confusion in the minds of people. We look old but we don’t do gravitas! We play instruments and used to cart them on the train to Sheffield every Wednesday morning to play in an orchestra. We are possibly the only people who want it back (too dangerous!) When we shop, we lug it all round on our backs or our bikes. We are noisy, opinionated and probably a pain in the arse but even people who have shouted hysterically at us about the ‘dangers’ and ‘people are dying’, still talk to us. I think this may be because we are lively and positive and they get to see our faces!

We are finding every way we can to meet our family. We’re smuggling two in on Sunday. Next door does this too. The kids can drive us bonkers but we love them and some things trump slight inconvenience – like love, for example.

Also, is it because we don’t watch TV, don’t do social media, don’t read MSM? We are determined to keep talking in real life to real people. Many of them think we’re nuts but at least some of them give us a hearing.  Are we just ‘okkerd’? Probably, but we’re not giving up. Not on your Nellie! MW

398650 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #712 of 1678 🔗

Nice post – great analysis of what probably makes you different.

I think our society has become increasingly a society of old people. What we see around us is an old people’s reaction. It is what one wuld expect from spectators of life rather than participants.

398690 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to rockoman, 8, #713 of 1678 🔗

I used to think this, but as I got older myself (and no less awkward for it) I realised that by and large, older people who are timorous and conformist were always like that – they didn’t become that way one day when they got old.

399225 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to rockoman, #714 of 1678 🔗

It is the comfortably off older person’s reaction that’s the real problem, but their comfortable life is coming to an end and quite soon at that. These compliant people are usually only too willing to bare their arms for the Bill Gates vaccines and then of course they will be beyond all hope.

398656 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #715 of 1678 🔗

We’ve always been left-ish, we have supported those who challenge the MSM and its lying propaganda for decades and we never expect truth to come out of the mouths of politicians.

In the past decade or so, that has become a quality of the right, since MSM and politics have shifted pretty far over to the left.

398666 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #716 of 1678 🔗

‘Left’ as you use it means pc lib-left identity politics guardianism.

An ideology designed and marketed by corporate elites to replace old-style class-based politics.

It is perfectly congruent with their interests.

If politics and the MSM were really ‘left’, then why has wealth become increasingly concentrated over the last decade, accompanied by the erosion of the welfare state and employment rights?

398916 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #717 of 1678 🔗

MSM and politics have shifted pretty far over to the left.”

Only if you have an uncorrected political squint.

398660 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #718 of 1678 🔗

If most people were like you we wouldn’t be where we are. Keep it up!

398663 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #719 of 1678 🔗

Wonderful post, thank you. Agree on everything. Wish my MIL was like you. Won’t see her grandchildren out of fear. I am actually now tired of being angry with her for it and falling foul of the brainwashing.
Even when you point out to people a glaring obvious fact that the death rates are within 28 days of a flawed test, they STILL look at you like you’re a nutter for going against the narrative.

398709 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #720 of 1678 🔗

“Even when you point out to people a glaring obvious fact that the death rates are within 28 days of a flawed test …”

Isn’t it 60 days now? And Covid on death certificate because the illness looked like “it”?

398824 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to norwegian, 6, #721 of 1678 🔗

Here’s a gov. press release from last august that explains the new protocol for reporting daily Covid deaths, introducing the 28 days-from-positve-test regime:


The interesting bit is at the end (my emphasis):

In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.

This follows concerns raised by academics from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine about the original measure, which counted anyone who had ever tested positive as a COVID-associated death . They called for the introduction of a 21-day measure in order to accurately assess the impact of the virus on mortality rates.

How do we know which parameter is being used whenever they fear-porn us?

398668 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 17, #722 of 1678 🔗

Husband and I are younger than you but ask the same question all the time, what makes us different? We too do not get involved with social media or watch much TV. We did always enjoy reading the Saturday and Sunday newspapers though but that stopped in March.

Our mantra has become (or maybe it has always been) believe nothing and check everything. Yet we still cannot fathom why friends of many years standing, in addition to family, are entitled to have differing views to us, but will not give any credence to any differing views we have about covid.

398683 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #723 of 1678 🔗

Your last paragraph sums it up very well, if you don’t do MSM or social media how would you know there is a pandemic?

398791 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #724 of 1678 🔗

Muzzles and swervers

398684 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #725 of 1678 🔗

I remember when the Left used to love Alex Jones – Infowars
Talk about drift

398687 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #726 of 1678 🔗

Wait until they discover ADE. Oh boy, are they in for a treat…

398717 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #727 of 1678 🔗

Thanks to you and everyone else for your kind responses. There are now several people we are worried about because they’ve had the jabs. I inadvertently answered the phone yesterday to our GP surgery. AlanG is now marked down as ‘declined’. MW

398764 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #728 of 1678 🔗

I spent the last couple of days reading available literature and opinion on ADE. I wish I hadn’t tbh, there are people I’m concerned about too.

398694 ▶▶ jos, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #729 of 1678 🔗

Glad to hear it – I’m in the same demographic and have come across the same weird responses from people who hate and distrust this government but have lapped up their lies and can’t comprehend why anyone would disagree- it’s baffling but similar to the fact that they don’t seem to have realised that Keir Starmer is anti-democratic, belongs to the trilateral commission and is pushing harder for more lockdowns in the face of very obvious signs that the ‘virus’ is disappearing. Unfortunately they may well realise it too late or, quite possibly, blame people like us for not complying with our overlords hence spreading doom on our land – I said to one friend who is having the vaccine that she’ll have to visit me in the camp they’ll put us non-compliants in and she promised to bring me a cake with a file in it – she didn’t realise I wasn’t joking.

398854 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to jos, 4, #730 of 1678 🔗

You are bang-on about Starmer. Once you understand his affiliations the Nu-Labour position make sense. What the Corbynite support for ‘Zero Covid’ is about is another matter. . . . .MW

398912 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #731 of 1678 🔗

I can’t work out the thinking behind the degree to which the moderate left (forget the Trot Tooting Brigade – they never have had judgment or sense) such as Corbyn have followed this Covid narrative. It’s so obviously stupid, even in terms of short-term politics.

That said, this shit-show has blown up simplistic left/right allegiances as focus has switched to the totalitarian/libertarian dimension in politics.

Starmer is easy to explain – an unthreatening (in terms of the establishment) authoritarian shill manouevered into place as an alternative to Johnson if and when. The propaganda campaign against Corbyn connects with the Covid one in that sense. The alliance with the Israel Lobby was an immediate give-away.

398777 ▶▶ Natalie Shay, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #732 of 1678 🔗

Just listening to Teal Swan’s conversation and does it really all boil down to our pathological fear of death?
We never risk a day in our lives and never fear we won’t live to see another day.
What this is exposing is that what we’re experiencing isn’t life, we aren’t alive. . we are just here, not dead.
The noobs, boomers and MSM-addled just haven’t realised it yet because most of their lives are spent in this liminal state.

398829 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #733 of 1678 🔗

Great post. Makes me wish that my parents and former colleagues were like you & your OH.

398929 ▶▶ John001, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #734 of 1678 🔗

My friends are a similar demographic. 30-40% had seen through the lies by May 2020. The others are mostly agnostic, a few are believers. Almost all have been or plan to be jabbed. Why??

Admittedly the NHS gave one of them false figures for the death rate from COVID, namely 1% for under 60s and 15% for over-70s. It’s painful to observe this process.

398997 ▶▶ hugso, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #735 of 1678 🔗

Spot on! In very much the same position. Intelligent well educated friends who I would have expected to see through, or at least have some doubts about, the lies have just swallowed it whole. And will not even make any attempt to look outside the MSM narative. Very depressing.

399028 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #736 of 1678 🔗

Thank you, Miriam, a very interesting and substantial post. Perhaps a bit oddly, I feel much the same about the ways in which I am different from my terrified, compliant friends – all of whom have been espousing radical left politics (radical feminism, LGBTQ, critical race theory, environmentalism, veganism) throughout their adult lives. Oddly, because I’m in my 40s and the people I know best are in their 30s, 40s and 50s. At mid-life, it seems already to be true that plenty of educated, middle-class people are physically and emotionally lazy, narrow in their outlooks, slow to leave the house and reluctant to plan expeditions, generally unenterprising in their personal and social lives. They haven’t lost much from house arrest.
It remains a staggering mystery to me, however, that these avowed anti-establishment radicals have shown themselves deeply attuned to the authoritarianism of the government: until March 2020, these people frothingly loathed the Conservatives. Now they either hate or pity me for my opposition to the corona regime.

398659 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 5, #737 of 1678 🔗

Al Jazeera English: Pfizer withdraws emergency use bid of its COVID vaccine in India.

398968 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 1, #738 of 1678 🔗

Who said India was a third world country.

Their health professional have more sense than ours, obviously.

398665 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 7, #739 of 1678 🔗

Let me see if I’ve got this right. When (increasingly if) I return to the UK from Brazil for retirement, I will have to pay for the pleasure of being quarantined, but my micro-chipped and tested cat won’t?

398674 ▶▶ jos, replying to Sampa, 1, #740 of 1678 🔗

Don’t give them ideas – microchipping for all of us will be next

398675 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sampa, 13, #741 of 1678 🔗

I’d stay there if I were you.

398908 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to rockoman, 4, #742 of 1678 🔗

Funnily enough, after seeing the news, my partner (she’s Brazilian) suggested we could think about that, it seems that you have it far tougher over there than we do. Technically we have a tiered lockdown similar to the UK, but nobody takes any notice here. The need to put food on the table outweighs any other concerns.

398703 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #744 of 1678 🔗

And in Sweden 40 % Stochlm 45%,India has a typical curve symmetric up and down curve.Remarkable low death rate due to early HCQ treatment and now Ivermectin.Lockdown masks pure farce as SD impossible in India.A natural trajectorty helped by early treatment.It must be the ultimate irony the former colony manging this 10 times better.

398714 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 5, #745 of 1678 🔗

A propos of Sweden, I see Tegnell is on about the danger of a “third wave” and saying he now thinks 80% vaccination is required for herd immunity. I think he must have been “got at”.

398761 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Julian, 1, #746 of 1678 🔗

He might just have altered his opinion. That’s the way science works.

To quote Keynes

When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do , sir?

398790 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 2, #747 of 1678 🔗

So, which facts have changed?

398801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 2, #748 of 1678 🔗

I think for once Mayo is right. It’s likely due to the variants scare.

However there are holes in that too. The Northern Ireland health minister said too early to lift lockdown as cases plummet because of new variants. Which they have no data on, just worries. VERY SCIENCEY THAT

398872 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #749 of 1678 🔗

Looking at Worldometer for Sweden, the only fact that seems likely to have changed minds is that yesterday the deaths count jumped from a weekly average of about 10 to 39. But we have been told that the variants are no more deadly than the original strain.
The other possibility for a spike in deaths is that which has been suggested here in recent days , namely a vaccine induced fatality . Do we know whether Sweden has startred vaccinating yet ?

398905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mikewaite, 1, #750 of 1678 🔗

Yes they have. Last I saw it was about 250,000 so as a % a fair bit less than here

398881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 3, #751 of 1678 🔗

So, which facts have changed?”

That’s the question I was about to voice.

398797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 2, #752 of 1678 🔗

Maybe. One of the problems about the way governments and scientists and the scientific community has behaved, where there is very clear political (I mean that in the widest sense) motivation is that it erodes trust in all scientists and others who pronounce on the whole awful business.

Anyway it’s hard to get one’s head round what he is saying – not sure what he basing his views on

398868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #753 of 1678 🔗

I don’t remember Tegnell ever being against regulator approved covid vaccines, there just weren’t any until very recently – vaccines being the preferred method of herd immunity for many. I don’t think he has spoken out against the term ‘waves’ and a 3rd wave may just be a reference to the endemic covid expected return next winter. So he may not have changed his opinion.

398693 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 17, #754 of 1678 🔗

I see that Toby Young has a refutation of Snowdon’s pro-lockdown piece.

Yesterday I had to take my mother to a long delayed outpatient appointment and am irritated enough by Snowdon to make some comments. (I would note that the NHS staff were pleasant, helpful and courteous but all were sadly masked…)

Snowdon: “I reluctantly support this lockdown … It seems to me to be the only way to ensure that everybody is able to access healthcare, whether they have COVID or not.”

Yet non-Covid patients seem to have a sub-standard access to NHS care.  In August I took my mother to an outpatient appointment.  On entry no one else was in the waiting area and one person when we exited. Six months later, at a follow up (which would ordinarily have occurred perhaps a month or two after the initial appointment), one person leaving as we arrived and two waiting when we left.  And this was for all the outpatient clinics at that time; ordinarily I would expect to see 10-20 people waiting.  The X-ray department in September had patients arriving at perhaps five minute intervals and small numbers waiting in widely spaced seats; a far cry from “normal times” when the place might be packed.
How many people get to see a real GP face-to-face these days?  Or are they given a telephone interview with a “nurse practitioner”?  Or receive a printed sheet instead of a physiotherapy session?
And if operations are cancelled and there is a backlog of non-Covid patients and it doesn’t matter because we have to “save the NHS”, why were the operations necessary in the first place?  Either they are necessary or they are not.  Either the consultants are negligent suggesting an unnecessary operation or the consultants are doing a proper job, the operation is necessary, and some lockdown-supporting idiot has cancelled it, causing who knows what effect to the poor patient.  And if you are an unfortunate patient in hospital, signs on the entrance say no visiting allowed!  That’ll help you to recover!

Snowdon: “In country after country, you can tell when a lockdown began by simply looking at the case numbers on a graph.”

I looked at graphs of the cases for 1918-19 flu, 1957-58 Asian flu, 1968-69 Hong Kong flu, and can see where case numbers decline.  Only, why don’t the history books mention “lockdown” as saving humanity at those times?  Surely cases don’t decline without lockdowns do they?

Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute. If you reduce human interaction, you will reduce the virus’s ability to spread.”

I am sure “proper” lockdowns would work; imprisoning people in individual cells is surely the best way to go!  If we do that forever, we’d never have winter flu ever again!  As a bonus, no more crime, no more family rows; no more families!

Snowdon: “It’s a zero-sum game in which disease and death is traded off against misery and poverty.”

It isn’t a “zero-sum game”. It isn’t a “trade off”. Disease is a fact of life.  Death is a fact of life.  These things are inevitable, though yes we can mitigate against catching some diseases.  Misery and poverty are not inevitable.  Some might be caused by individual life choices, but misery and poverty can also be caused by external policy.  And who will pay for the misery they have imposed by lockdown?

Snowdon: “coronavirus is doing what viruses do and spreading rapidly in the winter”.

But if it does what viruses “do” in the winter, why is this particular virus so special we all must hide away from it?  It is indeed lethal to those it kills, but Snowdon seems to ignore the fact that most healthy people do not succumb to this virus.  Why is the Government advice “if you have symptoms, get a test” and not “if you have symptoms, write your will”?  If I have a snuffle, I do my best to carry on.  If I felt wretched, I would go to bed and be miserable for a few days.  If I were unable to breathe, I would hope to get medical care and not have to wait for a test result before getting it!

Snowdon: “these figures would be much worse if we resumed normal social contact.”

He doesn’t say “might be much worse” but “would be much worse”.  Yet elsewhere he says “doubt is at the heart of this phenomenon”. Sigh…

Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute.”

These lockdown advocates really are not human. They seem to inhabit a world where human interaction can be turned off at a whim with no adverse effect at all. I really begin to think poor old David Icke isn’t far wrong. Maybe that is indeed how reptiles and lizards behave to each other. I myself wouldn’t know…

398697 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Lowe, 10, #755 of 1678 🔗

“These lockdown advocates really are not human.”

More or less psychopaths I will say …

398712 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lowe, 7, #756 of 1678 🔗

Snowdon: “The logic behind lockdowns is difficult to refute. If you reduce human interaction, you will reduce the virus’s ability to spread.””

Common sense, innit? Obviously the best basis on which to decide to wreck your country

How in the hell does he know how viruses spread?

The evidence suggests it is airborne so anything resembling human existence will spread it

398721 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 9, #757 of 1678 🔗

I’ve said it before. The whole basis of Teh Science is nothing more than: “Well it stands to reason dunnit? What are ya, stoopid?”

398871 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #758 of 1678 🔗

‘Common sense’ : often common; rarely sense.

398727 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lowe, 5, #759 of 1678 🔗

Snowdon: “If I blow on a piece of paper it’s going to move away in the direction I blow. The logic is difficult to refute”

Take a piece of paper, hold it with your fingers and blow over the top of it towards the bottom edge. Watch what happens.

Never assume. Always test.

Unless you are a politician or a theoretician

398970 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to mhcp, 1, #760 of 1678 🔗

Yes, Bernoulli’s equation.

398786 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lowe, 2, #761 of 1678 🔗

“Snowdon: “these figures would be much worse if we resumed normal social contact.””


398964 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lowe, 1, #762 of 1678 🔗

To call these people reptiles is an insult to reptiles.

399072 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lowe, 1, #763 of 1678 🔗

It’s dissappointing that Snowdon as a self-declared ‘libertarian’ doesn’t understand that authoritarianism does not come about suddenly, nor is it arrived at through an inclination towards despotism, but through a sense of it being the ‘right thing to do’ at the time, and often under the free licence of ’emergency’.

I can’t pretend to understand how he is oblivious to this, especially as a ‘libertarian’. This observation is not new, emergency dictatoral powers given to Pompey, for example, ended in a Roman civil war.

398706 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #765 of 1678 🔗

“France REJECTS a third lockdown, saying ‘economic, social and human’ cost cannot be justified – but it has infection rate similar to UK – and still rising”
Countries keep saying that but then locking down

Anyway, they’ve been in lockdown since March and continue to be so

398711 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #767 of 1678 🔗

Can someone please start compiling national figures, with graphs and all, for ‘deaths within 28 days of a coronavirus vaccine’?

398720 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to mattghg, 4, #768 of 1678 🔗

Indeed, this is a vital comparison to the yardstick being used to lock us all in our houses. Hence why it’ll never happen.

398735 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #769 of 1678 🔗

Bit of a coincidence if you ask me!

398750 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Janette, -8, #770 of 1678 🔗

It could be just a coincidence. It depends on what period is defined as “shortly after”. If it’s “hours” or less than a couple of days it might be suspicious. It also depends on the age.

398772 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 4, #771 of 1678 🔗

A Basingstoke care home was the cite of a coincidence: vaccinations coincided with more than a third of the residents dying. https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/19043790.coronavirus-outbreak-22-deaths-pemberley-house-care-home/

398792 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #772 of 1678 🔗

So they say 143 dead in total but 15% of that national number occurred in a single care home.

Yeah, OK.

398869 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 1, #773 of 1678 🔗

I’m sure we can be confident the Pharma companies and regulators will be extremely thorough in their investigations

398951 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Major Panic, 3, #774 of 1678 🔗

The EMA (European Medications Authority) has 23 points which BionTech/Pfizer have to improve on until end of July.

398949 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mayo, 1, #775 of 1678 🔗

The Pfizer vaccine trials clearly showed a significant lowering in immune response for up to 8days, with the first 3 days the worst.
All easily to read in the paperwork supplied to authorities to get the provisional license.

398741 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #776 of 1678 🔗


399098 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to JHUNTZ, #777 of 1678 🔗

When they died of flu it was a tragedy and nothing to do with the fact that they were old and sick. The sods even added hospice deaths into Covid-19 statistics.

398707 Paul, replying to Paul, 18, #778 of 1678 🔗

A bit of covidian stupidity I saw yesterday.I was talking to a couple of chaps who were trying to remove some graffiti from the side wall of our local PC World,on a twenty feet wide path along the side of the store.
The chaps were taking a breather and were lent on some railings on the opposite side of the path from the graffiti and I was stood,normally distanced,talking to them,when a woman appeared at the entrance to the path and by the way she came to a halt and the look she gave us I just knew she was a cult member.As she approached she started her swerve and to keep safe from us obviously glowing with infection bio-scum she walked in the two feet of space between the workmen’s buckets and tubs of cleaner and the graffiti,therefore walking through all of the solvent chemicals that were running down the wall onto the path,for good measure she also faced the wall as she went by.We wondered how far she would get before the soles on her shoes started to fall apart.

398726 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 9, #779 of 1678 🔗

Despair. I saw a great one the other day. A jogger, not wanting to run past a pedestrian on a path that could easily accomodate both, ran into oncoming traffic on the road I was driving along – behind me was a massive truck and the road was partially flooded! Makes you wonder what thought processes went through her mind …

398767 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to kh1485, 7, #780 of 1678 🔗

Evolution in Action!.
The Darwin Awards should have a separate section for Branch Covidians

398796 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Paul, 8, #781 of 1678 🔗

(Sigh…) people are getting worse. Last week our delivery driver turned up with our shopping, nap-free, and very friendly. He kept a minimum distance and we had a lovely chat, and energies were high. He said that so many he delivers to now, are really terrified or really rude, or both. Last night however, our driver, although very polite, treated us like cockroaches. He was fully napped up with a hat pulled down over his eyes. It was dark and I couldn’t make out any of his features. He put the trays on the door step for me to empty, and then backed away, down the few steps outside our door, right down the path, into the shadows, about 12ft away, and stood there with his head turned, no interaction at all. It was horrible. It actually bothered me more that it should. I felt insulted to be honest. Maybe I’m too delicate but one of the reason I don’t go to the supermarket is because I can’t wear a mask, and the somewhat hostile atmosphere makes it a very depressing experience. But I really don’t expect it on my own door step. Is this how they’re being being trained to act now?

398892 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #782 of 1678 🔗

Someone’s probably been perfectly horrid to him and reported him, or some such. He might be an ex-pilot, or hotel manager, or restaurant owner; broken by this whole nonsense. I find relentless cheerfulness, kindness and understanding (mostly) breaks through.

398938 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Suet, 3, #783 of 1678 🔗

You’re right. I don’t know his story. But he made it clear he didn’t want to interact on any level. I literally couldn’t make any conversation with him unless I shouted, and it was late so it could have disturbed my neighbours. My husband was shocked too at his attitude. We both always try to interact with all people we meet, and show empathy, respect and kindness at all times but, more and more of late, I find there is literally nothing there anymore.

399030 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to HelenaHancart, #784 of 1678 🔗

Gosh, yes, I hear you. My post wasn’t in any way intended as a criticism of you.

I haven’t snapped (yet), but I can’t abide rudeness. I do concede there’s a very fine line between his behaviour and downright discourtesy. If he had not responded to my pleasantries, I might have told him – in a voice dripping with empathy and concern – that as he’s obviously so concerned about contact, I’ll donate his cash tip to that nice Marcus Rashford or similar.

398941 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Paul, 4, #785 of 1678 🔗

Yesterday my friend and I stood on the end of the bridge looking at the high water level, at the other end was a couple with their grandchild in the pushchair. The bridge is less than 2m wide, but where we stood the path started and is slightly wider. We were facing the other side. The couple did not cross the bridge until we stepped away from the bridge onto the path.
Sadly my friend is a go-alonger and we had a disagreement earlier as I had made a comment about swervers, so I did not make a remark to this couple.

398724 mj, replying to mj, 19, #786 of 1678 🔗

council panic .. email received today
“Infection rates have been high in the wards of X & Y in the last two weeks. Testing rates are relatively low but there is a high proportion testing positive.
If you live in these wards, please get tested if:

  • You have Coronavirus symptoms (both classic symptoms and precautionary symptoms) – get a free NHS test
  • You have no symptoms but you regularly have to leave the house for essential purposes (like work) – get a free rapid test”

Aaaaaargh .. we’re all gonna die.

just a reminder .. these are the precautionary symptoms

  • headaches
  • aches and pains
  • feeling very tired for no good reason
  • sore throat
  • runny nose
  • sneezing
  • tummy ache in children

I have had at least 2 of those every day for the last 20 years .

398765 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mj, 9, #787 of 1678 🔗

That just about covers coughs, cold, flu and hanovers. Fecking hell covid has been with us our whole lifetime.

398787 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mj, 5, #788 of 1678 🔗

I have a sore throat and runny nose. Just back from a 10k run which I almost hit a PB. Am I dying?

398789 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mj, 6, #789 of 1678 🔗

That’s every woman on the blob confined to the house for 10 days every month

398945 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to mj, 3, #790 of 1678 🔗

So, there was me thinking my aches and pains were due to the fact I tripped over last weekend and my runny nose was just normal for this time of year…….little did I know I might have caught the rona, all despite going nowhere and 2 members of the household testing (always negative) daily, as they work at testing sites.

I know ‘testing is bad’ but one is working in a school and has no choice, the other needs the money. Interestingly, the one working at a local drop in LF test site has had no positive results for several days, despite doing 9000+ tests.

398725 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 46, #791 of 1678 🔗

I want to post about the two exceptions to the Cult among our ‘boomer’ friends but I would first like to say how sad it was to hear about the death of Nick Rose. It sounds like he is yet another person who has been failed by The System. We will miss his posts and our hearts and condolences go out to his family.

It was my 68th birthday yesterday. I manage to have a halfway-decent one despite everything; I got texts, phone-calls and cards and my birthday lunch was a naughty toastie – we’re normally low-carbers – bought from a narrow boat and illegally (?) consumed along with coffee on a bench next to the canal.  Even better, I had the first ever long, joined-up conversation with our grandson (nearly 10) who is – Granny talking here – a continuing delight.

#1: Today, an old college mate phoned from Sydney. I had posted him and his partner a fairly sceptical email and received nothing back. Well, to my great surprise and relief, he is on our side. He is appalled at the goings-on in Victoria and thinks Perth has gone bonkers. ‘2 million people locked-down for one case!’, he kept saying. It is summer in NSW of course and after a year of nothing the governor has, seemingly out-of-the blue, mandated masks on public transport. He agrees with us that it stinks.

#2: We slipped a ‘back to normal’ postcard in the Christmas card of another old friend. He emailed back to thank us as he’d thought he was going mad!

Apart from them, we know several other people locally and anecdotally who are sceptical in our age-group and demographic.

Also, our daughter (40) was worried sick that she was going to be pressured to have the jab by her employer. Her line manager has assured her that it’s not the case – at least not yet.

Our local butcher’s run by a large extended family. The main person is 40+ ‘Total sceptics the lot. Last week I noticed different people than usual were serving but didn’t think much about it. Today, AlanG went and was greeted by one of the teenage daughters. With a huge grin on her face she told him, ‘We’ve got Covid!’. Apparently nobody’s actually ill. She lost her sense of taste and smell and they must have felt obliged to get tested because of the shop and, guess what?

Itommo’s comment: ‘The root of the authoritarian instincts of the British people appears to be a distrust and dislike of ‘other people’. I agree with this.  A clear enjoyment of the imposed isolation is a theme we encounter over and again among our demographic combined with a stated abhorrence for being with other people. Some have told us quite openly they never want to go back to normal.  I also agree with Ovis that we are also afflicted by a culture of deference. What a toxic combination!

Anyway, here is my best birthday present:  Our hairdresser phoned last night and offered us a ‘speakeasy’ under cover of darkness. Also, a colleague of hers elsewhere in Derbyshire has apparently opened her salon and ours is thinking of following suit.  Forward, fellow sceptics! MW

398730 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #792 of 1678 🔗

Happy birthday! 🙂

Your posts are always a tonic.

398844 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to AidanR, 1, #793 of 1678 🔗

Thank you! MW

398732 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #794 of 1678 🔗

p.s. Regarding the discussion about hairdressers and grants the other day: ours has received nothing this lockdown. She is now on her uppers. MW

398799 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #795 of 1678 🔗

I use a mobile hairdresser and she too told me she receives no help from government.

398842 ▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #796 of 1678 🔗

Likewise. Ours is close to retiring and I think this lockdown may be the push she needs, unfortunately for us.

398737 ▶▶ stewart, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #797 of 1678 🔗


398763 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stewart, 1, #798 of 1678 🔗
398798 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 19, #799 of 1678 🔗

Happy birthday Miriam.

It certainly cheers you up when you come across like minded people, doesn’t it?

This morning, on coming out of Lidl, a woman in her forties, seeing that we were maskless, whipped off her own mask and commented to me that it felt like taking off your bra when you got home!

There then followed a twenty minute conversation with her and my OH and I.
Among other things, we talked about bacterial pneumonia and masks. She admitted that her mask hygiene was poor. She said that we were being gaslighted by the government and that we had all been “played”.

It was wonderful to hear that there are people like her in the world who think that so much of this is just a nonsense. Like us, she is not a Covid denier, nor an anti-vaxxer but someone who has looked at the evidence and come to her own conclusions about the propaganda being spouted and the disappearance of free speech.

It was such a tonic.

398877 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #800 of 1678 🔗

Happy birthday Miriam. Your posts are so wonderful, you and Alan are great people who’d love to meet in person one day.

399061 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #801 of 1678 🔗

Happy Birthday.

398731 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 4, #802 of 1678 🔗

How can anyone test negative in Wales ever, if they use a ct of 45?!
Probably those negative results there only occur with faulty Chinese test kits.
But then, plenty of people have already suggested that the results of the tests are just invented and randomly predetermined.

398793 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JayBee, 2, #803 of 1678 🔗

😁 Never! The fake tests are the shackles that bind us. Never submit to one!

398733 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 7, #804 of 1678 🔗

Didn’t realise Nadhim Zahawi the ‘Vaccines Minister’ was the co-founder of YouGov. Seemed to be a lot of controversy around his very lucrative second jobs a few years ago. https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-3823849/How-Tory-MP-s-370k-oil-firm-debts-470m-small-investors-suffer-share-price-crash.html

398788 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 11, #805 of 1678 🔗

Oh yes he is, in fact I might have posted that fact on here. His family are also into pharmaceuticals. We are being fleeced like sheep yet the majority continue grazing in blissful ignorance.

398744 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #806 of 1678 🔗

So now the winter sniffles,allergic rhinitis and every woman on the blob added to the list of Covid symptoms
You couldn’t make it up


398755 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #807 of 1678 🔗

“several cases” is enough for this to be reported as fact.

398745 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #808 of 1678 🔗

Just overheard a depressing comment made by a customer saying it was awful that youths were gathering in a nearby town (I muttered “good” under my breath). She then went on to say that things were so much better organised in Saffron Walden. Oh yes, that’ll be the Saffron Walden where you can’t sit on a bloody bench without being harassed by the police.

398751 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 20, #809 of 1678 🔗

Saw a gang of kids on the street yesterday
having fun
Gave them the thumbs up – one had a chin warmer on which I told him to bin
and he did
Good deed for the day

398762 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 17, #810 of 1678 🔗

Honestly, I’m at the stage now where I think the nation’s teenagers may be our best hope to rescue us from this lunacy.

398959 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to kh1485, 5, #811 of 1678 🔗

I told my Grandson that he needs to get out and about, to meet up with mates and ignore all that the adults in charge tell him. That made him smile, I just hope that he listens to his old Nan and doesn’t become a bedroom hermit.

398749 DRW, replying to DRW, 14, #812 of 1678 🔗

Yesterday I watched Vernon Coleman and Dave Cullen’s latest videos and found them quite moving. Both are unusually emotional but we too have experienced that same frustration which genuinely resonates unlike the psychopathic Hankiecock tiny tears acts and media-manufactured sobfests over strangers. Especially what Cullen says at the end about people who just won’t listen and if the masses are beyond saving. Depressing but still quality sceptical viewings that really emphasise what we’re up against.

398783 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 5, #813 of 1678 🔗

I think they’ll refocus. But they are certainly giving up on society in many ways. When it’s staring them in the face, it’s hard to disagree

398807 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DRW, 2, #814 of 1678 🔗

Do you have a link?

398754 rockoman, 9, #816 of 1678 🔗


Farmers’ protests in India.- good luck to them.

Note the obvious lack of a pandemic there – no masks or SD.


7-day moving average of ‘covid deaths’ is 116 in a country of 1.35 billion people

Would equate to a death rate of 5 or 6 pople a day in the UK.

398757 bebophaircut, 1, #817 of 1678 🔗


The Yardbirds – Jeff’s Boogie

398759 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #818 of 1678 🔗

How many decades do the Govt intend to keep the travel restrictions imposed for?

398781 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #819 of 1678 🔗

Well if you bear in mind that last March Lockdown was only supposed to last until the sombrero was flattened and here we are in Lockdown nearly a year later that should give you a clue. I’m sure at some point our political class will go on holiday so restrictions may be lifted about then, however the plebs will have to stay home.

398806 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #820 of 1678 🔗

They forgot take people heads out of the sombrero before they flattened it.

398838 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Niborxof, #821 of 1678 🔗


398922 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #822 of 1678 🔗

Id heard they were going to make it 100 years.
NZ has said its at least the next 5, but they’re hoping that as people who want to see their family still living in another country die off, demand will reduce.
After people get used to not travelling abroad, the ratchet will continue with gradually shires / cities / hamlets becoming the new restriction.
After all if it keeps people safe.

398802 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #823 of 1678 🔗

What makes you think there is a time limit?
That’s it. That’s what life will be like now.
You go overseas, you come back, you are put in self-isolation for 2 weeks.
So you don’t go overseas. You use zoom.

398803 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to stewart, 3, #824 of 1678 🔗

Time to invest in a VR holiday experience tech company.

398835 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to stewart, 2, #825 of 1678 🔗

VR? We need drugs!

398850 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to norwegian, 2, #826 of 1678 🔗


398900 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to norwegian, 1, #827 of 1678 🔗

They’re not mutually exclusive, and IME they’re an interesting mix.

398839 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #828 of 1678 🔗

Forever … if we don’t get ourselves new governments.

398769 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #829 of 1678 🔗

Zoe update

R settled down below 0.8 – lower than what it was after season 1 (0.85) – that’s with a lockdown that seems busier than before and in winter

only herd immunity will do that

So sorry to hear about Nick Rose. I always liked his posts. Given that I don’t know anybody here at all – he’s still the person closest to me that I know has died of covid.

398775 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, 3, #830 of 1678 🔗

Do you know it was from Covid? I’ve just been reading Hitchens blog and everything is now attributed to Covid.

398837 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #831 of 1678 🔗

In reply to you and rockoman above. I don’t – I was just paying a small tribute to Nick Rose whose comments I enjoyed – I know no more than anyone else – but I didn’t think about it too much

398782 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 2, #832 of 1678 🔗

Why do you assume he died of covid?

398817 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to rockoman, 10, #833 of 1678 🔗

Initial symptoms were loss of taste/smell then later breathing difficulties and lethargy. It was a PCR test. There will be a post mortem as he had no known underlying health problems.

398828 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Gill, 4, #834 of 1678 🔗


From 2013

Olfactory dysfunction with flus and colds.


I would add that ‘breathing difficulties’ are associated with many illnesses. In fact, the inability to continue breathing characterises every single case of death.

398831 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Gill, 2, #835 of 1678 🔗

Healthy people don’t die from a cold or flu …

398896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to norwegian, 3, #836 of 1678 🔗

Yes they do a friend of mine died of influenza aged 29 in 1999
No underlying conditions as far as aware (but you never know)

398906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Crystal Decanter, #837 of 1678 🔗

It can happen to ANYONE! Be scared, over the top scared!

398915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #838 of 1678 🔗

That may be a way to diiferentiate flu from covid.

If you had no underlying conditions, then it can’t have been covid.

398925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #839 of 1678 🔗

a friend of mine died last year – 48 years old. a cold/flu put him in bed for a couple of days. died of a blood clot. anything that lays you up in bed is potentially dangerous, given some bad luck or a propensity.

398834 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Gill, 1, #840 of 1678 🔗

Poor man. What age was Nick Rose?

399010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #841 of 1678 🔗

He was 54.

398805 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, 1, #842 of 1678 🔗

Steve, a couple of points

1/ In case you missed it – thanks again for the confirmation of 2m ZOE cases in Spring. I was just wondering if this is consistent with hospital admission numbers given peak winter peak is only about 40% of spring peak (though more protracted)

2/ You recently hypothesised that common cold may be making up a big chunk of ZOE cases. Not sure the numbers back this up. By my rough calculations, i.e

Recovered = Cases (Day-1) – Cases (Day) + New Cases

Recovered represent about 9% of cases – or about 11 days recovery time. Too long for common cold. The 9% is slightly higher than a week or so back but has remained fairly constant. Problem is numbers are revised daily so can’t be sure one way or the other.

Finally, agree about Nick Rose. He made a number a interesting comments. Very sad to hear of his death. I also knew no-one who’d died of Covid until a couple of days ago when I heard about an old mate of mine from the 1960s.

It’s been a rough week.

398809 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Mayo, #843 of 1678 🔗

How do you know your mate died of Covid?

398819 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 3, #844 of 1678 🔗

He knows because the Death Certificate said so.

398826 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to rockoman, 2, #845 of 1678 🔗

Your comments make me smile a lot rockoman …

398832 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 3, #846 of 1678 🔗

Hi Mayo – no problem – I hadn’t seen your thanks before – but wasn’t waiting on it!

I think hospital admissions now includes a lot of people for other reasons ‘within 28 days etc’ – ie massively overcounting. they would have been based on diagnoses in spring

On the common cold. All tests have an FPR as will Zoe. I don’t know what it is but 10% wouldnt surprise me for an online survey for something which gives symptoms very much like the common cold. But whenever I get a cold it takes me about 3 weeks to get over (probably because I used to smoke)

398862 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to steve_w, 1, #847 of 1678 🔗

Many people I know enjoy colds or flues for weeks without ever having smoked …

398913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to norwegian, 1, #848 of 1678 🔗

Possibly because they don’t smoke.
Much suppressed evidence that Smoking has a preventative effect:

398921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #849 of 1678 🔗

I’m the only smoker in the house and I suffer from fewer colds than the rest. My partner works in a school and brings back plenty of lurgies every new term (yes, even in 2020) as do our kids, but I rarely catch anything from them. I’m also the only one in the house who takes vitamin supplements though.

398883 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, 4, #850 of 1678 🔗

Post viral syndrome occurs frequently with the common cold (rhino and corona)
We have all had a cold that refused to shift for ages after the initial bout

398927 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #851 of 1678 🔗

which is why I think long-covid is bollocks

398814 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to steve_w, 1, #852 of 1678 🔗

How do you know Mr Rose died of Covid?

398972 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to steve_w, 2, #853 of 1678 🔗

That’s dreadful news about Nick Rose. Wasn’t he the guy who regularly went to the protests last year and gave good detailed accounts ?

399012 ▶▶▶ Gill, replying to penelope pitstop, #854 of 1678 🔗

Yes, that’s the one!

398770 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 26, #855 of 1678 🔗

Cant help thinking about vitamin d and wonder just what is going on. One German study has shown a reduction of “cases” by 34% and another shows it could reduce deaths by 14 times.

surely the lack of the uptake of vitamin d despite all the emerging evidence has to be heading into criminal negligence territory now?

398779 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to pvenkman, 20, #856 of 1678 🔗

As does the HCQ and Ivermectin story. We’ve said it from April. If this was about health a big government push would have went out in Summer saying “Look them in the eyes and tell them that 10th pizza slice is worth it”

Or something sinister enough to scare people into, you know, getting healthy. A la Vit D

398830 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #857 of 1678 🔗

“Look them in the eyes and tell them that treadmill won’t walk itself”

398820 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to pvenkman, 10, #858 of 1678 🔗

Norwegians are good at eating vitamin D and guess what, no increased mortality in 2020 …

398845 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to norwegian, 2, #860 of 1678 🔗

Oh, that takes me back many years – we had to drink the stuff every day, it tasted awful! That was in Poland, and it was also called “tran”.

398852 ▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Alice, 2, #861 of 1678 🔗

I’m still having it every winter. Not very tasty but hey ho, it’s very good for my body, skål!

398889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to norwegian, 1, #862 of 1678 🔗

Na zdrowie! (Polish equivalent to skal). I remember my Polish grandmother always gave us (my sister and me) a piece of raw onion and a piece of black bread after the tran. I don’t really know why – maybe to counteract the greasy taste, or maybe it was just traditional?

398898 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jamesh, replying to Alice, 1, #863 of 1678 🔗

Quite good after a slug of really coarse vodka, too. Makes it hard to tell which is the worst, as any one of the three counteracts the other two!

398890 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Alice, 5, #864 of 1678 🔗

We were given it as children in England after the war . Cod liver oil and malt- delicious.

398919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to mikewaite, 2, #865 of 1678 🔗

Why did you stop?

398847 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to norwegian, 4, #866 of 1678 🔗

Less social isolation.

They always have salmon to talk to.

Seriously Vitamin D is important.

Sheldon Cohen – the leading researcher in this area over 35 years – has found that social isolation and psychological stress are the biggest factors associated with reacting badly to respiratory infection:


398867 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to rockoman, 1, #867 of 1678 🔗

They are fishy but I’ve had worse company …

398859 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to norwegian, 4, #868 of 1678 🔗

Finland is good at adding it to basic foods … no excess deaths.

Japan is good at eating it … and gets more sun than Norway.

398863 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to John001, 2, #869 of 1678 🔗


398880 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to pvenkman, 4, #870 of 1678 🔗

This is part of the law of unintended consequences, to protect against skin cancers going out in the sun without any sun protection is verboten, the majority of the UK are deficient in vitamin D, some GP’s recognise the symptoms and advise people to take high doses to correct it, others (and the NHS advice) is to take such a low dose that correction will not happen.

Of course protecting against skin cancer is a good thing but there has to be a balance, the UK’s lack of vitamin D has to play a part in what is happening?

399587 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, #871 of 1678 🔗

And it likely plays a big part. Vitamin D is beneficial in regard to the usual run of infectious respiratory ailments including influenza. It is likely to be effective for infections of Covid-19, whatever that really is.

398907 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to pvenkman, 2, #872 of 1678 🔗

The Ivor Cummins podcast on Vit D and viral suppression is the best laymans explanation I’ve seen:

399578 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to pvenkman, #873 of 1678 🔗

If people are taking Vit D at around the RDA of 400iu level then the benefits are likely to be marginal at best.

398818 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #874 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….’

‘…a big discrepancy between those dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid 19 (there wasn’t)’

‘second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’

‘cases….uptick….driven by ‘false positives’ (it wasn’t)’

‘…they then asked where are the deaths? (deaths then rose dramatically)’

‘high excess deaths primarily caused by lockdown (they are not)’

He describes lockdown scepticism as a psychological phenomenon known as ‘motivated reasoning’

An article long on (motivated) assumptions and remarkably short on evidence…….

The more the bluster, the louder the sound of chickens on their way to roost…..

398849 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #875 of 1678 🔗

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’

NO. Lockdowns are “radical” – untried, never pandemic policy – in fact expressly stated NOT to do them (still WHO position)

398856 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Julian, 6, #876 of 1678 🔗

Opposing radical measures is radical? Fine days, eh – the best days of our life …

398882 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to norwegian, 4, #877 of 1678 🔗

A lot of sweaty palms in evidence now amongst the commentariat as they begin to conceive the inconceivable…….the idea that they might have got it badly wrong (again)………

398879 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #878 of 1678 🔗

…. and, it seems, the more the great unwashed believe!

398885 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to iane, 1, #879 of 1678 🔗

We will see in May

398841 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 24, #880 of 1678 🔗

A big factor in the hotel quarantine charade is throwing their hotel buddies a bung. Every response to this ‘pandemic’ supports big business. It’s awfully convenient.

398846 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #881 of 1678 🔗

Yep … those who don’t see that is just plain old d u m b …

398855 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #882 of 1678 🔗

Once in place, the hotel quarantine is here to stay for the whole year. Because lockdowns are forever. Prove me wrong!

398878 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheClone, 3, #883 of 1678 🔗

Wish I could. I very much doubt you are.

398950 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TheClone, 1, #884 of 1678 🔗

The Irish government said last month that there probably will be no travel anywhere until 2022 the earliest..We will follow suit

398860 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #885 of 1678 🔗

Yes, and let’s have a guess where the security personnel might come from.

398875 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to godowneasy, 8, #886 of 1678 🔗

I’ll take a threefer on Serco, Capita and G4S please, Bob.

399168 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, #887 of 1678 🔗

Yes, that’s right- a threefer that they’re from Serbia, Croatia and whatever other Eastern European dystopias are ready to lend their mercenaries to MI5’s arm’s-length thug’n’muscle outfits which do the securocrats’ street-level dirty work- as they did to Hilda Murrell, for instance.

399247 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #888 of 1678 🔗

Have you ever been to Croatia? It’s a very civilised place indeed…. and I’ve been involved with the authorities there too (had a car accident), without any of the bolshy stupidity you get from the coppers here.

Doubtless there are plenty of hard-bitten men to be found there, but then I grew up in inner-city Manchester in the 1970/80s, and that wasn’t exactly ponies and candyfloss either.

398904 ▶▶ alw, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #889 of 1678 🔗

The government used hotels to help with the homeless during the first lockdown and this was supposed to end in September. Now they want to throw them a further bung.

398914 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #890 of 1678 🔗

Only certain hotels though. Whitbread has something like a £1.2B loss last year compared to 800 million in profit the year before. Premier Inn is taking a beating in general which is a shame as they are fine hotels to use.

399121 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mhcp, #891 of 1678 🔗

They will all be turned into accommodation for all of the fighting age male migrants in designer gear with smartphones ………………….er….i mean destitute refugees

399260 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Crystal Decanter, #892 of 1678 🔗

That’s been the case for some years now – I know of at least one Holiday Inn Express (a practically brand new one) that has given over whole floors of the hotel for housing refugees for several years now. Makes for a strange guest experience, I can tell you.

399257 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to mhcp, #893 of 1678 🔗

True that. I’ve a sot spot for Premier Inns – uncomplicated and inexpensive without being dirty or uncomfortable, and although they are sparsely staffed, I’ve always found them friendly and helpful.

I wonder if Whitbread would have been in a better or worse position now it’d had hung onto Costa, instead of selling it to the yanks. I guess they got out when the getting-out was good, but the Costa Express business must still be making a pretty penny.

398848 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #894 of 1678 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55946912 Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are safe according to MHRA

398851 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 6, #895 of 1678 🔗

Well – the MHRA has just blown its credibility in one easy assertion, hasn’t it?

398873 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to RickH, 3, #896 of 1678 🔗

I don’t think it has had any for quite a long time. ALL surveys/polls/trials are now completely politically driven.

398887 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to p02099003, 2, #897 of 1678 🔗

ie they are happy with the risk as they claim risk from covid is far greater

They might be right if the virus was actually far more deadly to the healthy as they claim and there were no effective treatments, which there are…

398857 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 2, #898 of 1678 🔗

“This is necessary, because the responsibility is enormous when it comes to injecting a biologically active substance into a healthy person.” von der leyen in https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/05/brexit-britain-vaccine-speedboat-says-ursula-von-der-leyen/ paywalled

398861 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheClone, 7, #899 of 1678 🔗

The cognitive dissonance for Remainer pro-vaxxers must be enormous right now.

Well done, Ursula.

398942 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, #900 of 1678 🔗

… or Brexit anti-vaxxers, with the EU doing the right thing whilst the UK piddles about in its toy boat like a flea in a fit…?

398954 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 3, #901 of 1678 🔗

If people here throw around worn out propagandic terms like ‘anti-vaxxer’, then I despair.

I speak as someone who has received dozens of vaccinations.

399073 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to RickH, 1, #902 of 1678 🔗

You were ticking people off this week regarding ‘noddy generalisations..’. Welcome to the club.

399421 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #903 of 1678 🔗

It`s OK if he does it……

399262 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, #904 of 1678 🔗

Good point, Rick. I think most brexiters are blinded by the “we’re beating the EU at getting this made and rolled out” angle… I certainly have been at times.

398858 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #905 of 1678 🔗

I found this Tweet highlighting an issue with using past data to forecast the future, aka modelling:


Alfie Stirling

Perils of forecasting the future to fit the past.

It relates to something I’ve always thought about statistics in general. As far as I can tell, many if not most people seem to think that statistics determine reality.

My view is the opposite in that, to me, reality determines the statistics. Data might get you closer to the actual outcome than a total guess but as a tool for predicting the future it is at best an educated guess. Nomatter how educated it may be, a guess is still a guess.

It’s been pointed out on here many times that a five year average for excess deaths is misleading because it is an average. Some years will have been higher and some years lower. So it’s perfectly possible for a high year to be no different to a previous year even though it looks like it’s above average.

This is why we shouldn’t put so much faith in statistics and in particular modelling as a basis for predicting the future.

Just as an extra for fun. I learned in school that most people have an above average number of limbs. It took me a while to get my head around it but it actually makes complete sense once you realise why.

398870 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Nobody2021, #906 of 1678 🔗

Look up Nassim Nicholas Taleb. He expounds exactly your point. Calls out forecasters as charlatans. 

398886 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 3, #907 of 1678 🔗

I’ve read his Black Swan book which was very good. Unfortunately the man comes across as a complete dick on Twitter.

398909 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #908 of 1678 🔗

He is an obsessive muzzler and has tussled with Hitchens and Cummins on the issue.

398910 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #909 of 1678 🔗

He even sniffed his own farts by advocating for masks using his absence of evidence is not evidence of absence tool.

He put forward that with masks there are two options: no evidence that masks work and no evidence that masks don’t work. He then runs the probabilities and shows it’s best to wear a mask.

The problem is the logic has two more options for a system with players: no evidence masks cause harm to the wearer and no evidence masks do not cause harm.

What you end up with is either a zero sum game or a negative net result to all players in the system

398893 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 2, #910 of 1678 🔗

The IMF for example is notoriously bad at forecasting economic growth. Its outlooks are interesting only as snapshots of current sentiment rather than something to base any decisions on. The dangers of extrapolation. “Torture the data and it will confess” is one of my favourite adages.

398933 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #911 of 1678 🔗

It’s been pointed out on here many times that a five year average for excess deaths is misleading because it is an average.”

It’s not just that it’s an average – but it’s a ludicrously short average for any practical reference of a phenomenon that varies both on a yearly basis and over extended periods.

We then get into the issue of driving whilst looking through the back window.

398894 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 20, #912 of 1678 🔗

Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party has been accepted by the Electoral Commission
We did it!!!!! #champagneincoming


398901 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #913 of 1678 🔗

Let’s hope they stand some candidates in local elections (if they happen) so there is at least one anti-lockdown party we can vote for

398975 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #914 of 1678 🔗

fantastic!! or should I say at last – it took months, I wonder what was the hold up?

398897 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #915 of 1678 🔗

France decides lockdowns can’t be justified after nearly a year. Funny how Denmark came to that conclusion after one attempt and Japan said it was stupid and never implemented one at all.


France has rejected a third lockdown because the ‘economic, social and human’ costs can’t be justified, Prime Minister Jean Castex said.

During a press conference on Thursday, Castex said stabilising new infection rates and an impending vaccine roll-out means the government can hold off from imposing new nationwide measures.

398899 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #916 of 1678 🔗

France has been in lockdown since March, like the UK, and continues to be so, probably forever

398902 Tom Blackburn, 6, #917 of 1678 🔗

The Swiss join the growing ranks of nations that refuse to accept the UK vaccine….but….. nothing to see here apparently. All politics etc apparently. And the great British public remain in thrall to their honest and capable overlords.

398903 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #918 of 1678 🔗

Don’t want to step on the toes of the posts about Nick Rose’s passing so starting a new post rather than replying to others.

There has been mentions today in comments and of course from our government using the term coronavirus. Additional symptoms are continuously added to that of covid which do not occur with the common cold. Why is the common cold referred to as to what it is a coronavirus. Yes a different strain but it is still a coronavirus, one of many.

If I mention to people the common cold is a coronavirus I am always shouted down, the majority of the population believe there is only one coronavirus. I know there are various correct terminologies for what SARS/Covid/Coronavirus should be used but what matters is what the government and MSM feed to the people. If every year we had used the terminology of coronavirus for the common cold and rhinovirus for flu, maybe people wouldn’t be so easily fooled?

398917 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #919 of 1678 🔗

Coronavirus is the perfect Freddy Kruger horror virus
Rhinovirus or Adenovirus sound silly

398918 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #920 of 1678 🔗

It’s too complicated! Flu is actually caused by an influenza virus (which can also cause colds) and rhinovirus causes most colds, I believe. You are right that the formal language is used to make it all sound more sinister and worrying but the message of any responsible Government would surely be that any type of respiratory infection can be very serious for some people, but most will be fine. I see your point, but whatever the usual habit was they would have manipulated the language used to have the desired impact.

398926 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #921 of 1678 🔗

Thanks for the replies, I am very sure I over simplified it but yes you are right the language would have been manipulated to achieve their aim, it probably says exactly that in the documents somewhere to make the population even more fearful.

I really am beginning to feel the manipulation to get such high numbers to control the UK people will backfire big time as the world see us as a plague island.

398935 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #922 of 1678 🔗

The word coronavirus used to be on all over the counter cold medications, don’t know if it still is

398946 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #923 of 1678 🔗

Yes, the common cold is a coronavirus, stick to your guns.

This is one of many that talk of Coronavirus from 2012.


398911 davews, replying to davews, 13, #924 of 1678 🔗

Still getting over the sad news of Nick Rose. It seems strange that although we don’t know others on here personally they all have become friends over the past few months (nearly a year for some of you on here). We don’t know all the circumstances, and maybe never will, or whether it was actually Covid that took him. However it perhaps changes my perception of some of the comments. Covid is very real for those who do get it severely, we must never forget that. Whether vaccines help or not it should be up to everybody to decide for themselves. I am now even more undecided when, as expect, I soon get that phone call whether to give in and get it or not regardless of side effects.

Remember we are all friends on here and we all have differing views.We should all be welcome regardless (even Mayo), unlike in the wild world where anybody who disagrees with the narrative is an outcast.

RIP Nick, your comments on here will remain as a record.

398930 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to davews, 7, #925 of 1678 🔗

RIP Nick indeed.

On actual Covid-19, or the set of symptoms that is called Covid-19, I’ve always been of the opinion that real sufferers are being given a bad deal. They could have been studied and given acute care rather than being thrown into the broad shapes and generalisms. We saw this with doctors fighting to stop the use of ventilators. And also using drugs to lessen symptoms.

But if anyone with a slight cough or sore chest is now Covid-19 then it just dilutes the real issue in noise. And that benefits no-one.

The world could have easily gone on as usual and at the same time Covid-19 patients treated very well.

398953 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 2, #926 of 1678 🔗

Good point. The political manipulation of this disease has no up-sides in the medical sense.

399438 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mhcp, #927 of 1678 🔗

I’ve always been of the opinion that real sufferers are being given a bad deal.”

The most pernicious bad deal by the “government” was to deny early- stage treatments like HCQ .

398937 ▶▶ Mark, replying to davews, 4, #928 of 1678 🔗

RIP Nick, your comments on here will remain as a record.

Yes, I only know him as a name from whom I’d come to expect good sense, but it’s always sad when someone dies suddenly. We can only hope he is in a better place.

398940 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to davews, 17, #929 of 1678 🔗

As I keep saying, those who have dies from covid have been murdered as they were prevented from cheap very effective treatment. Ivermectin and HCQ. Spoke to another C. Zealot yesterday and he had never heard of these drugs. His only reaction was well if they worked I’m sure the government would be falling over themselves to use it. I said they were falling over themselves to cover it up and ban them.

Time we put the pressure on by spreading the word about thee treatments.


398958 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, 7, #930 of 1678 🔗

100% agree
HCQ should have been made a prophylactic immediately
They know it worked on Sars Cov1

399446 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Andrew K, -1, #931 of 1678 🔗

This lady is calling for action
Essential viewing

399038 ▶▶ TJN, replying to davews, 1, #932 of 1678 🔗

Good post, and sums up much of my feeling about it.

Having said that, if I’m honest, I’m not sure my perceptions of the comments have changed much. Of course covid is a huge deal for those who get it severely – never been any doubt about that, only what we do about it. Re the vaccine, I’m afraid my opinion hasn’t changed a jot.

I hope the site organisers will find a way of letting Nick’s family know of the appreciative comments on here.

As an aside, Mayo makes some good comments – if we are going to be sceptics, we have to be happy to face scepticism at times.

398920 Ritchie22, replying to Ritchie22, 6, #933 of 1678 🔗

Interesting development in my workplace. We have been working through the whole period, social distancing and hand washing to begin with, later Perspex between desks, then masked when standing.

Out of a workforce of around 200 in my area, there have been two positive cases (PCR) since this all started and it’s debatable as to whether they were actually real. Both ‘cases’ were likely caught outside the workplace. Across the wider site of 3000 employees, there have been about 15 cases total.

Despite these low numbers, they are now introducing twice weekly LFT testing, not mandatory but ‘a very dim view will be taken’ if people don’t comply. The methodology of this testing means the 200 people within our working bubble, will now randomly be interspersed with the 3000 to get testing. Pretty much breaking their own rules on maintaining distance between departments for the last year.

Makes no sense whatsoever, there are no cases here. Why look?

And the thinly veiled threat to comply, seems a bit sneaky to say the least.

398980 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ritchie22, 3, #934 of 1678 🔗

What will the dim view look like? If it’s not mandatory what can they do? Look at you disapprovingly all day?! Woah, scary.

399052 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ritchie22, 2, #935 of 1678 🔗

Is medical testing included in your contract of employment? It is an intrusive procedure and by implication is diagnostic. Is it to be carried out by medically qualified personnel who can also do a clinical history-taking and assessment?

399066 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Ritchie22, 1, #936 of 1678 🔗

Constructive dismissal?

399136 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #937 of 1678 🔗


398924 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #938 of 1678 🔗

The ‘ … and Finally Spectator piece is as fine a piece of credibility hari-kiri as I’ve ever seen.

The strain seems to have got to poor old Toby! 🙂

398939 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 1, #939 of 1678 🔗

Came across to me as tongue in cheek, i don’t think he would sell out his beliefs just to get into the house of lords, not yet anyway

he was maybe suggesting that unless your arse licking is consistent, you wont get in, but that’s just my interpretation

398947 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #940 of 1678 🔗

Yes – but he seems to admit to once reckoning Mr Toad a ‘good egg’. Now that is a litmus test of judgment. 🙂

398956 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, #941 of 1678 🔗


398965 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #942 of 1678 🔗

You could however say that admitting your once strongly held view was wrong is also a litmus test of judgement

399029 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #943 of 1678 🔗

Don’t want to make too much of it – but it’s a curious melange of a piece, with scepticism competing with a desire to be recognised by the establishment. That’s what struck me.

398931 DanClarke, 10, #944 of 1678 🔗

Politicians are the worst of humankind, always up to something dodgy, wars, getting the citizens, not themselves to fight them telling them its for their freedom, pilfer a bit more cash then take away that freedom and get them to fund their own freedom with a vaccine passport and vaccines which pour trillions into their coffers. Life is a one big scam

398934 Mark, replying to Mark, 28, #945 of 1678 🔗

For any LSers in Manchester, there’s a worthy cause in Burnage atm. A cafe opened in defiance of coronapanic restrictions. Police there atm apparently, but customers refusing to leave.


I’m not in the area myself, but my sister is there now.

I’m hoping she’ll be able to get some details for how the owners can be helped at a distance (crowdfunding for costs etc)

398973 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 26, #946 of 1678 🔗

Message from the scene at Kate and Luc’s:

Good turnout at cafe today. There were 10 of us yesterday – I would say about 30/35 today. 2 police officers and a council official came but customers declined to comply with their instructions. They stood around outside until the crowd naturally dispersed by itself around closing time (2pm). Official closure notice was served yesterday which says he has to close after tomorrow until the end of lockdown – would be great to get a really good turnout for tomorrow – if we get the word out far enough I think people would be willing to travel, plus it’s a saturday so more people are free during the day. Would be a really great demonstration of the amount of support out there if we can get a couple of hundred people down.

399037 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 3, #947 of 1678 🔗

Fighting for their freedom, well done, not long ago the politicians were begging the population to do just that

399014 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 8, #948 of 1678 🔗

Well done to them! Only trying to make an honest living

398936 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #949 of 1678 🔗

Quarantine hotels and vaccine passports are just two more plates of manure that people will gobble up with or without ketchup.

Reluctance is futile. You will be assimilated.

398962 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, #950 of 1678 🔗

Reluctance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Negativity is counterproductive. You will come to realise this.

398943 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #951 of 1678 🔗

I submitted a FOI request to my local acute trust asking for the number of patients admitted for respiratory problems between week ending 1st September 2019 and week ending 3rd January 2021. I plotted this against the SARS-CoV-2 positive test results between week ending 1st March 2020 and week ending 23rd August 2020 which I had obtained in Autumn last year.

399002 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to p02099003, 1, #952 of 1678 🔗

Fewer respiratory admissons in 2020 than in the corresponding period of 2019.

399240 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to p02099003, #953 of 1678 🔗

THIS THIS THIS! This is what happened to us. Fell ill in late Oct 2019. Little one was worst obvious symptoms, (fever listlessness and slept). Saw it off in 3 days. We just felt crap but then had symptoms I now know to be “long COVID” with breathlessness fast heart rate, esp at night, pain under my ribs them and lungs which I thought might be emphysema. Agony to turn over in bed. Never went to hosp because I regarded them as dens of filth, (usually use out of hour Gp surgery if I must, but most things fix themselves with sleep and cutting back on carbs).

Anyway, come lockdown, almost all my symptoms bar losing words constantly, and odd nighttime hammering heart were gone, but then my foot went blue veiny and tons of my hair fell out, (often happens to me after viruses). Shook that off and have been mostly fine ever since.

Quite honestly, I think this has been circulating since well before then though.

399242 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to p02099003, #954 of 1678 🔗

Where do you live? If I may ask. I’m in Lincolnshire.

399355 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TheHandbag, #955 of 1678 🔗

I live and work in Leicestershire. Sorry, should have not used an abbreviation. UHL = University Hospitals of Leicester.

398944 Bruce Reynolds, 18, #956 of 1678 🔗

I can’t understand it am I some sort of walking magnet for sceptic comments, because at the moment every body I come into contact with is bitching and complaining about lockdown,on and fucking on about not knowing any bastard that’s dropped dead with the Kung flu,on and on that death figures are one big con,on and on it’s all a put up job, honestly being a hardcore sceptic can be hard work I feel more like that aunt Dedrie from that daily rag.. most Brits in favour of lockdown Fucking dream on MSM..

398948 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #957 of 1678 🔗

What did I say a couple of days ago and somebody told me that this is impossible and the I’m a conspiracy theorist..Read it and weep


398963 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #958 of 1678 🔗

I did say I will not be able to hold back my resentment when the old yins get there holiday jolly whilst the Country is left in ruins. Sickening…

399215 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Thomas_E, #959 of 1678 🔗

I have mentioned on here before but this was a plan by the EU discussed in 2018, we may have left the EU but they will still insist we have them to travel.


398955 Basileus, 6, #960 of 1678 🔗

Seventeen thousand doctors call out Covid scam:


398957 isobar, replying to isobar, 3, #961 of 1678 🔗

Covid R rate in England is definitely below 1 for the first time since JULY as ONS and symptom-tracker app show cases have plunged by up to 30% in a week with 20,000 new infections per day (Daily Mail headline)

398976 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 7, #962 of 1678 🔗

Amazing really isn’t it, with all these crazy new variants swanning about the place and us plebs bending, flexing and breaking the rules like there’s no tomorrow – how have cases “plunged” like this when so many people are still getting takeaway coffee and sitting on benches in the park?

398985 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #963 of 1678 🔗

Couldn’t have said it better myself, completely counterintuitive to the scaremongering.

399100 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #964 of 1678 🔗

Over 200 common cold “mutations” floating around during the winter
How many do you get per year?
2 maybe if unlucky ?
Mercy me how will we cope

398966 peyrole, 4, #965 of 1678 🔗

Apologies if already reported.
MHRA vaccine outcome report for period to 24 January now out. Covers both Pfizer and AZ vaccines.
Deaths are reported as 0.002%; which compares to 0.006% of deaths from covid without comorbidities since start of 2020.

398969 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #966 of 1678 🔗

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398978 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 1, #967 of 1678 🔗

Peer2peer torrent should be able to circumvent most of it
Pirate Bay is still with us after all
Bitchute started out as webtorrent but I think they went down the more conventional route hence the censorship

398974 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #968 of 1678 🔗

Good to see the link to Whitty’s statement.

Just sent the following to Will and Toby:


Good to see a link on today’s site linking to an article in the Times and Whitty admitting that things were under control foprior to teh lockdown beginning.

The article is dated the 22nd July 2020 so it’s taken you a while to get round to it although I have sent you and Toby (amongst others) the quote and video link below more than once.

Unfortunately the Times does not show the best bit.

Maybe now you have brought it into the open you and Toby can start highlighting it and shouting it about from the rooftops.

The absolutely most important and momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the health and social care committee hearing:


It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

Why was he not challenged on this at the time by anyone on the Committee?

Why is this statement not being reported by ANY media outlet until your article today?

This one comment totally undermines and destroys the whole narrative of “following the science” to justify population lockdown and proves Sweden, Tanzania and Belarus among a very few others followed the correct course and 2000 years of medical experience dealing with these types of illnesses was the correct “treatment protocol”.

This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.

It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.

At the same Committee hearing the Chair, MP Jeremy Hunt stated “We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March.”

It is ‘guidance” which has NO force of law nor is enforceable in England.

As the Chair of the relevant Committee and a Member of Parliament surely he knows that social distancing has never been law in England? If not, why not?

And why did no Committee member or witness challenge him on this statement?”

Maybe they might start broadcasting this sort of thing a bit more publically.

399053 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #969 of 1678 🔗

I know we on here refer back to Whitty’s statement at regular intervals because it has never got the traction it deserves. Probably because most out there don’t understand what it means anyway. Simply put, even at the height of the first wave when the virus was at it’s most virulent the CMO admits that the initial lighter touch measures were enough to bring the virus under control. Consequently a full lockdown was never required. This was then neatly confirmed by real data in the example case of Sweden.

399199 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Achilles, 1, #970 of 1678 🔗


Also the OFCOM Notice to Broadcasters and possible DMSA Notices and social media blocking the posts may explain why no-one would even mention it.

Or “journalists” keeping tehir heads down and not willing to show them above the parapet.

398981 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #971 of 1678 🔗

Another perspective on vaccines

“Illnesses such as Chicken Pox and Measles play critical roles in the development of our immune systems, conferring lifelong protection against diseases such as cancer and arthritis. Vaccinations against these childhood illnesses disrupt the immune system in dangerous ways, even introducing chaos into the amazing structural wisdom of the cytoplasm in our cells.”
~Dr. Thomas Cowan
“I was once an idiot. I once thought that people who didn’t vaccinate were taking advantage of all the people that were. I thought that they were being privileged opportunists, and I was a vaccinating doctor, because I was taught nothing about vaccines, because I had never met an unvaccinated child. But once I met unvaccinated children, and started seeing problems first-hand with vaccinations in my own patients—and started doing my own research—I flipped around 180 degrees. And I’ve known other doctors that were able to do that as well, and some of them, because parents like you have presented the facts to them—quietly, calmly and rationally. That’s key.” ~Dr. Suzanne Humphries
The human immune system consists of two parts: the cell-mediated system and the humoral system. The cell-mediated system is characterized by the activity of white blood cells. If you are a pathogen entering the body of a person with a healthy immune system you are going to have a very bad day! Mr. Pathogen will be silently marked for death. Once marked for death Mr. Pathogen will come to the attention of Killer T-cells. Killer T-cells carry out their killing by blasting holes in its target and dousing it with nitric oxide. The clean-up crew have the capability of engulfing and consuming dead and dying pathogens. It’s an awesome system, and we should be doing everything in our power to keep it strong!
Indicators that the cell-mediated immune system is in action include fever & inflammation. Dead white blood cells take the form of pus, and sometimes there is a rash—which is a sign that toxins are being expelled through the skin. Fever, rash, mucus and coughing are all signs of a healthy immune system doing its job—ironically, an unhealthy person may never experience these symptoms, but may die from a disease anyway because the immune system is too weak to fight.
Western medicine will often give over-the-counter or other medications that interfere with or otherwise shut down the actions of the cell-mediated immune system—essentially interfering with the body’s ability to fight off disease. Essentially, western medicine, through its large number of vaccinations, combined with pharmaceutical drugs, has declared war on the cell-mediated immune system in a blatant attempt to shut it down and replace it with a system that is dependent on an ever-increasing number of vaccine boosters. Let’s explain further.
When the immune system is left alone to do its job, as nature intended, the humoral system takes over after the cell-mediated system is finished its work. The humoral system is characterized by antibodies, which attach themselves to pathogens and mark them for death. Perhaps the best way to illustrate how the immune system works is with an example. Here’s what happens when an unvaccinated body encounters the chickenpox virus for the first time. The cell-mediated system clears the invader, along with dead and infected cells. The humoral system forms antibodies that target the chickenpox virus should it ever be encountered again, conferring lifelong immunity on its host! It is beautiful in its simplicity, and has worked to safeguard health for millennia. Interfering with this system has dire consequences—as is now being witnessed in the high rates of childhood diseases. Here’s how vaccines work.

398983 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #972 of 1678 🔗


A child is injected with an antigenic piece of virus in order to stimulate the production of an antibody (humoral) response WITHOUT a cell-mediated response. But the body often won’t react to the antigen—in other words, without the cell-mediated response, the humoral system won’t produce antibodies against the virus particles contained in vaccines. Remember, these two systems have been working together since time immemorial. So in order to trick the body into forming antibodies, western medicine uses extreme provocation in the form of toxins (e.g. aluminum)—also known as adjuvants. This does indeed get the attention of the immune system, however western medicine also uses acetaminophen, aspirin or other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs to suppress the cell-mediated response. This is an ill-advised approach—for many reasons.
Cell-mediated reactivity, in addition to its many other benefits, is used to clear toxic ingredients from the body. Also, bypassing the cell-mediated immune response with vaccines and drugs only provides temporary protection—which means boosters, boosters, and more boosters—as well as more obscene profits for Big Pharm

399020 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PastImperfect, #973 of 1678 🔗

I’ve often wondered why sickly vegans and other assorted weirdos proclaim “I never get sick” …… .that’s not a good thing

399011 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #974 of 1678 🔗

“Illnesses such as Chicken Pox and Measles play critical roles in the development of our immune systems, conferring lifelong protection against diseases such as cancer and arthritis.

Great Post . So critical for good health

Dr Suzanne Humpries has a great protocol for whooping cough


398982 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, #975 of 1678 🔗

Have a read through this Twitter thread by Eric Feigl-Ding. Then instead of virus and variants replace with humans and any subset of race.


(Example) So here’s what’s going to happen. Caucasians are breeding more than Asians. The higher breeding race is going to dominate and we will all be soon slammed very hard. It is inevitable and Caucasians will take over as the reigning dominant race soon…

The solution to defeating the Caucasians is to chase a zero caucasian approach and slam their breeding rate even lower.

But here’s the thing. The rise of a dominant race/strain is independent of the overall growth of the species. It’s entirely possible for the species to decline in numbers whilst a dominant strain grows to make up a larger proportion of the species.

Eric Feigl-Ding

TWO DIFFERENT #COVID19 PANDEMICS—Many think with cases dropping that pandemic is nearly over. But truth is, there are now 2 different #SARSCoV2 pandemics diverging—old strain is waning, while the more contagious #B117 strain is dominating. We will be soon slammed very hard.

398989 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #976 of 1678 🔗

Fecal-Dung is a charlatan, and quite possibly mad.

399018 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #977 of 1678 🔗

Yes – the extract is full of scientific bollocks.

398999 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #978 of 1678 🔗

To him I say so what. I find fear to be utterly crippling to my entire being. Caution yes, fear no.

399009 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, #979 of 1678 🔗

By Asians do you mean Mongoloids? ( don’t have a go that’s the scientific term )
If you assume Caucasian means white, then yes
But Indians and Somalians and Arabs are all Caucasians – so no

399179 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Crystal Decanter, #980 of 1678 🔗

It doesn’t actually matter because I just picked some random descriptors for my example.

398984 Annie, replying to Annie, 5, #981 of 1678 🔗

The Inimitable Andrew tells it like it is.


How he’s still on the Tube beats me.

Go it, Andrew!

398994 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Annie, 3, #982 of 1678 🔗

I think prisoners have more freedom then we do at present. Brilliant

399054 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrew K, 1, #983 of 1678 🔗

Yes I agree!

399209 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Annie, #984 of 1678 🔗

First time I’ve seen him – thanks!

398986 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #985 of 1678 🔗

A question for those of you who, like me, are regarded as being in a high risk bracket by the medical profession.

I’ve been told, several times by medical professionals, that I should take every precaution and should be shielding.

There seems to be a standard assumption that because you are alive, you have not caught the virus already, because if you had you would be dead. Not once has anyone actually asked me whether I have already had the virus, which of course, gives me a natural immunity. (For the record, I believe that I had it in the first week of January 2020).

Is this a general assumption that applies to all (or at least a great proportion of) medical professionals or is it just me?

399003 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #986 of 1678 🔗

I know ‘extremely vulnerable’ people who have not gone outside their houses since last February.
I call that living death, but then, I’m not in that class.

399005 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #987 of 1678 🔗

There’s no money in natural immunity
This is a big pharma / corporate shakedown
nothing more

399008 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #988 of 1678 🔗

Some of my older friends love these letters from the NHS telling them that they are vulnerable and needs to shield – it is as if they got a medal / badge and they ‘wear’ it with pride

399184 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 2, #989 of 1678 🔗

That may be a result of the victimhood narrative that’s pervaded our society for years.
Having some “vulnerability” makes people feel special, different.
I would have hoped that the older generation who grew up before all the praising and worship of victims (unless they’re the victims of crime, then no one cares), and during far greater hardships than in modern times, might be more resilient.
Apparently not.

399015 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #990 of 1678 🔗

If you are ‘vulnerable’, then you would be wise to take precautions in a moderate to serious ‘flu season.

But I’ve never come across insane hypochondria and stopping life recommended as a justifiable precautionary measure.

399185 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 1, #991 of 1678 🔗

Me neither.

But the propaganda has been relentless, hasn’t it?

399193 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RickH, #992 of 1678 🔗

Yes; it’s called “Take your Vitamin D3 tablets”. Nothing else is required.

399021 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #993 of 1678 🔗

My Neighbour has had two of those letters, stay in your room, don’t share it with your wife, if you haven’t got an en suite then us a chemical toilet etc,etc,etc.

So being the stubborn yorkshire man he is said bollocks to that and he and his wife jumped in the campervan and spent last year travelling the far flung corners of this once sceptered isle.
Life’s for living.

399051 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Jonny S., 3, #994 of 1678 🔗

Appreciate all of the replies, but the key question was, has anyone actually tried to even remotely establish a medical history for you before declaring that you were in mortal danger.

I always thought that was the first thing that clinicians were supposed to do in order to provide proper advise.

399189 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richy_m_99, #995 of 1678 🔗

Not that I can see. The PTB want to have people vaccinated regardless of whether they’ve had the virus before or not.
Normal rules of basic immunology have been thrown out the window.

399395 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to LMS2, 1, #996 of 1678 🔗
398988 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #997 of 1678 🔗


This is just a psycho, being surrounded by psychos, having the impression that their psychotic views are normal. And so they step out into the world, on a public platform, to declare :

“We are not at the stage where we have a green and red system for what you can and cannot do, yet. But with have a precedent for that because as a surgeon I need to be cleared for hepatitis B”

So this means I need to apply for permission to go out now? Decided by the Ministry of Movement? Based on the fact that surgeons are subject to strict rules to operate on open wounds?

They are absolutely out of their minds now. Its almost as of the goal is to end death and their policy teams just have one metric. Deaths go down so anything is justified.

What kind of world do they want to live in exactly? My god people are thick.

399001 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #998 of 1678 🔗

I don’t think these people are thinking at all any more. They’re just following their Covid cult beliefs to their own logical end point. Each new idea is another statue on Easter Island. They simply can’t stop any more no matter what the cost.

398990 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #999 of 1678 🔗

V for Vendetta – the Movie and the Present / UKs Hannah Dean Banned from Hospitals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9RiB0S8LVc&list=WL&index=30

398995 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 24, #1000 of 1678 🔗

As soon as I get in the motor some wanker on the radio is telling me to stay at home and ‘protect’* the immortal goddess of health in order to ‘save lives’! I’m sick to the back teeth of this transparent propaganda. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool, and they had better stand up and own their utter complicity in all of this when the day comes where they can no longer hide behind their ignorance and laziness.

*What a deity! That’s some national treasure when after all these years and prior warnings it still cannot cope with a bloody virus. But yeah, let’s keep worshipping this incompetent idol!

399013 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1001 of 1678 🔗

Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool …”

Sorry – but that’s just comfort food. It’s far, far, worse.

Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.

Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.

399026 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 3, #1002 of 1678 🔗

‘Sorry – but that’s just comfort food. It’s far, far, worse.’

Comfort food for whom? I don’t go looking for ‘comfort food’.

‘Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.

Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.’

I’m not saying they’re stupid. You’re confused. I was very careful not to use such a term. ‘Gulliblity’ and ‘credulity’ are not synonymous with ‘stupidity’.

And yes, these people are *extremely* gullible and credulous. Look up the terms.

399146 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1003 of 1678 🔗

Food for those who want a simple explanation, and comfort for those who substitute this (essentially self-congratulatory) simplicity for the complex reach that brainwashing techniques have.

No – ‘credulity’ and ‘gullibility’ aren’t synonymous with ‘stupidity’ – I was loosely referring to wider dismissive comments about believers that miss the deeply sinister process that is going on.

I reckon, like others here, that by now I’ve had a fair experience of trying to put over the sceptic case to a range of individuals, and I know that neither credulity, gullibility or stupidity are the problem.

399153 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, #1004 of 1678 🔗

P.S. I do think ‘ignorance’ – in the literal sense (of the basics of analysis) is an essential problem.

399296 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, #1005 of 1678 🔗

‘Food for those who want a simple explanation, and comfort for those who substitute this (essentially self-congratulatory) simplicity for the complex reach that brainwashing techniques have.’

1. Who wants a simple explanation? You’re not furthering the discussion; you’re simply begging the question. Try to stop assuming your position and come up with an argument. If you have one, of course.

2. Define self-congratulatory. You appear to have a problem understanding terms and their definitions.

‘No – ‘credulity’ and ‘gullibility’ aren’t synonymous with ‘stupidity’…’

Then why equate them? Here’s what you wrote:

‘“Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool …”

Sorry… It’s far, far, worse.

Many people I know who are partially (I don’t know many who swallow the totality) accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity.

Remember 1930s Germany – that wasn’t about simple stupidity, even if the outcome was horrendously stupid.’

1. Firstly, note your use of ‘swallow’ here. ‘Swallow’ in this context means to believe something without much question/objection. ‘Gullible’ means to be easily persuaded, and ‘credulous’ means being ready to believe things without much question. So you’ve already tacitly conceded my point while pretending to object!

You sound like a confused leftist with this abuse/misunderstanding of terms and your misplaced posturing.

2. You *clearly* equate ‘gullible’ and ‘credulous’ with ‘stupidity’. It’s right there in your words:

‘Many people…accepting the narrative are a long way from simple gullibility and credulity… 1930s Germany…wasn’t about simple stupidity…’

Stop posturing and preening yourself and be a man. You equated ‘gullible’ and ‘credulous’ with ‘stupidity’. It’s right there in your own words, and like a snake you’re trying to wriggle out of it.

‘I was loosely referring to wider dismissive comments about believers that miss the deeply sinister process that is going on.’

Pull the other one, son, it’s got bells on.

I’m not denying there is a sinister process going on nor that some have sinister motives. Context is key. I wrote:

‘Anyone falling for this bollocks is, and I say this with no due respect whatsoever, a gullible, credulous fool…’

Note that I specifically say that anyone *falling for*…’ I’m talking about a particular type, aren’t I, Rick? You need to learn to read things in their context.

‘I reckon, like others here, that by now I’ve had a fair experience of trying to put over the sceptic case to a range of individuals, and I know that neither credulity, gullibility or stupidity are the problem.’

Turn it in, you utter bore. Gullibility and credulity are *plainly* factors among a huge portion of those *swallowing* (remember?!) the narrative.

You’re an embarrasment, mate. If you’re going to try and puff yourself up then you had better bring the goods.

399048 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1006 of 1678 🔗

So are you saying they are swallowing partially because of the volume of propaganda, or they are afraid to go against the herd, or they have some wicked ends, or are genuinely worried, or all of the above?

My reading of this is that people and institutions have all sorts of reasons for what they have done, but that the overriding factor has been the immense advertising budget that covid has had globally. If it hadn’t been for that, and people had simply been given the facts, explained on context, the kind of restrictions we’ve had would never have been accepted.

399055 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 3, #1007 of 1678 🔗

Maybe the care home disaster w as contrived to get that short sharp shock in. Ramp up the deaths, close the hospitals and get a massive spike. I don’t know. But as a shock tactic it would create the first anchor for people’s views and that is the hardest to shake. No matter now many stats you show them.

399102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1008 of 1678 🔗

No matter now many stats you show them.”

The trouble is they have NOT in the main been shown the stats

All most people know is what they see in MSM

Even sceptics I know are pretty ignorant of the figures

399120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 4, #1009 of 1678 🔗

Yes, I’m fed up of hearing – from sceptics – that : “less than 1% die from this”

It’s more like : “less than 0.1& die from this”

— ie a factor of 10 fewer.

399141 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #1010 of 1678 🔗

All of the above, Julian – but particularly that immense propaganda effort (whatever rationale we layer on top).

I’m reacting against the ‘it’s just stupidity’ trope – because plainly, it isn’t. There’s some quite clear psychological strategies being used.

399320 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, #1011 of 1678 🔗

‘I’m reacting against the ‘it’s just stupidity’ trope – because plainly, it isn’t. There’s some quite clear psychological strategies being used.’

Good heavens. You’re dim. Again, I did not say it’s ‘stupidity’, and I was talking about a *particular type*, those *falling for* the narrative. You don’t know how to think in categories do you?

398996 Annie, replying to Annie, 15, #1012 of 1678 🔗

Hilaire Belloc has a flash of foresight:

THE MICROBE is so very small
You cannot make him out at all,
But many sanguine people hope
To see him through a microscope.
His jointed tongue that lies beneath
A hundred curious rows of teeth;
His seven tufted tails with lots
Of lovely pink and purple spots,
On each of which a pattern stands,
Composed of forty separate bands;
His eyebrows of a tender green;
All these have never yet been seen–
But Scientists, who ought to know,
Assure us that is must be so…
Oh! let us never, never doubt
What nobody is sure about!

The last four lines were evidently written with foreknowledge of Bozo.

399007 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, 4, #1013 of 1678 🔗

“Whatever happens, we have got
The vaccine gun, and they have not.”

399035 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Annie, 1, #1014 of 1678 🔗

OMG, I remember learning that when I was about 12 for an elocution exam! I’d forgotten all about it.

399017 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #1015 of 1678 🔗

“What might permanently shatter the COVID spell? Maybe it’s already happening, a combination of mass demonstrations with a steady stream of the one’s and two’s who have said enough already: a family’s defiant walk in a park, or an unmasked elderly couple waltzing in a public space, or an individual computer programmer developing an “algorithm for liberation” that challenges the censorship of counter-narratives, and undermines the titans of Big Tech.”


399040 ▶▶ R G, replying to rockoman, 9, #1016 of 1678 🔗

The only things that might bring about mass non-compliance at this stage are pulling the plug on furlough, or not lifting restrictions once everyone below the age of X has been offered the jab. I think lockdowns and their orchestrators will get the Haig treatment (not The Hague unfortunately); lauded in the immediate aftermath but damned in the history books.

399155 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to R G, 1, #1017 of 1678 🔗

Haig won the Battle of Amiens which effectively finished the war; (finally) a combined arms attack brilliantly carried out by Rawlinson and Monash.

“I told Rawlinson,” Haig recorded in his diary, “to begin studying in conjunction with General Debeney (commander of the French First Army) the question of an attack eastwards from Villers Bretonneux in combination with an attack from the French front South of Roye. I gave him details of the scheme.” (17 May 1918)

‘…..the collapse of Germany began not in the Navy, not in the Homeland, not in any of the sideshows, but on the Western Front in consequence of defeat in the field.”

The Battle of (Amiens) August 8th was a triumph of the planning and method perfected by Monash and the Australian Corps; of the co-ordination and cunning of Rawlinson; of the valour and efficiency of the British artillery and tanks; and of the courage, initiative and dash of the infantry of the two Dominions, revelling in the war of movement that had come at last.’


Probably as brilliant a victory as Blenheim, Austerlitz, Salamanca, Sedan, particularly in view of its effect on the future of mechanised warfare but:

‘Today the battle of Amiens is almost unknown to the general public. As the British debated how to commemorate the war in 1919–20, it became clear that there was little taste for triumphalism or celebration of victories. Instead, they placed a cenotaph (‘empty tomb’) at the heart of their annual ceremony of remembrance and mourned their fallen.’


399356 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, #1018 of 1678 🔗

It took the Somme, Third Ypres and near-disaster in March-April 1918 in the German attacks to get there.
George Orwell already noted in the 1930s that memories of the victories of 1918 had faded and Haig, who had died in 1928, was seen as a butcher.

399831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Waldorf, #1019 of 1678 🔗

Marlborough at Malplaquet, Napoleon at Borodino, Wellington at Waterloo, Manstein at Kursk; probably all great commanders have to have the capacity to be butchers.

But yes, you are correct, and that is also my point, that Haig was never really lauded, and would not have wanted to be either, despite winning one of the greatest, innovative, ground breaking, victories on the battlefield of all time.

399238 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to R G, 1, #1020 of 1678 🔗

I think you’re right. Those currently in power won’t change their views, but their successors will criticise them.

399064 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 6, #1021 of 1678 🔗

The comfy work from home crowd need to hurt like the working class

399134 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1022 of 1678 🔗

Do stop boring and stupidly resentful generalizations that are the mirror image of Covid idiot pronouncements. They remind me of the stuff coming from the Tooting Trot Wolfies

399202 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to rockoman, 1, #1023 of 1678 🔗

I tend to go for a similar dog walk on Friday’s and today was no different. Same time, same day, same place and the same weather, yet there were considerably more people out and about, plus more cars on the road. Not scientific at all I know just an observation!

399019 Tim Bidie, 1, #1024 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:

He says:

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….’

‘…a big discrepancy between those dying ‘with’ or ‘of’ Covid 19 (there wasn’t)’

The truth is, he has no clue:

Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary.’ (Gov.Uk)

Our definition of COVID-19 (regardless of whether it was the underlying cause or mentioned elsewhere on the death certificate) includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain. For example, a doctor may have clinically diagnosed COVID-19 based on symptoms, but this diagnosis may not have been confirmed because no test was available, or the test result was inconclusive.’ (ONS)

England has had 36,695 deaths using this definition as opposed to the previous reported 42,072 – a difference of 5,377′ (CEBM)

Internationally? ‘ For daily reported death figures, there is no international consensus on methods.’ (Gov.UK)

399022 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #1025 of 1678 🔗

All prosecutions under new Coronavirus Act unlawful, review finds

All prosecutions under the new Coronavirus Act have been unlawful, a review has found.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) revealed that all 44 charges it had so far checked had been withdrawn or overturned.

Those wrongly convicted include a woman who was fined £660 after being stopped while “loitering” at a railway station in Newcastle.

Several Coronavirus Act cases, including some against children, are ongoing and the number of dropped cases is expected to rise.

The CPS launched a review of all prosecutions under coronavirus laws after several miscarriages of justice were highlighted by the media.

Greg McGill, the CPS director of legal services, said all the wrongful charges had been brought by police in England and Wales.

“Under the Coronavirus Act all 44 charges were incorrect,” he told a remote press conference on Friday.

“The main problem was that they didn’t relate to potentially infectious people who refused to cooperate with police or public health officers requiring them to be screened for Covid-19. That was the reason for the incorrect charges.”

Six of the people prosecuted were only charged under the Coronavirus Act, while 38 were accused of other offences including assault, theft and burglary.

Of the 44 wrongful charges, 31 were withdrawn in court and 13 cases were relisted following convictions.

Eleven people were charged under the separate Health Protection Regulations instead, which enforce restrictions on movement and gatherings.


399025 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Victoria, 4, #1026 of 1678 🔗

Excellent. Thanks Victoria.

399047 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Victoria, 3, #1027 of 1678 🔗

That’s great. Can we see some light at the end of this very dark tunnel now?

399093 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Janette, 2, #1028 of 1678 🔗

Some if this is old news. Still good news, however.

399367 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, #1029 of 1678 🔗
399023 Tim Bidie, 4, #1030 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb:

He says:

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’

Oh dear!

399024 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1031 of 1678 🔗

COVID-19 Fatalities 16.7 Times Too High Due to ‘Illegal’ Inflation

In March 2020, the CDC changed the way COVID-19 deaths are reported on death certificates, resulting in a dramatic — and possibly illegal — inflation of fatalities that drove restrictive public health policies threatening health freedom

Only 6% of COVID-19 deaths include only COVID-19 as the cause on the death certificate, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means for the other 94%, additional causes are listed, with an average of 2.9 additional conditions or causes of death included. [i]

“This is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis,” according to a study by the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge (IPAK), as it reveals that many “COVID-19 deaths” may have been due to other causes. In fact, the CDC published new guidelines on March 24, 2020, which alter the way deaths are recorded exclusively in cases of COVID-19.

The guidelines were published without peer-review or opportunity for public comment, and resulted in a dramatic and misleading inflation in “COVID-19” deaths, which would have been deemed due to other causes using the CDC’s longstanding system of data collection and reporting established in 2003. As IPAK’s report questioned: [ii]


399090 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 3, #1032 of 1678 🔗

In other words, they were lying.
Now who else does that remind me of?

399169 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Annie, 3, #1033 of 1678 🔗

Gosh, Annie! The list is enormous! I frankly can’t think where to start, unless we being with the unholy four Witless, Unbalanced, Pig Dictator, Ferguson of the Pantsdown.

Then there’s Handoncock … I’d better stop there, if I don’t, I’ll never finish.

399170 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 3, #1034 of 1678 🔗

“This is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis,” according to a study by the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge (IPAK), as it reveals that many “COVID-19 deaths” may have been due to other causes.”

Which is precisely the impression many of us have had since March/April.

399027 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1035 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested….second wave a figment of Boris Johnsons imagination (it wasn’t)’

He’s wrong again! And let’s remember, this bozo writes for the business pages……

399039 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1036 of 1678 🔗

Yes – absolutely. Against a suitably long-term max/median/min measure, the period up to the new year was unexceptional (as your graph shows) – and certainly not a ‘wave’ comparable to April.

Early January had suddenly higher mortality than might have been expected, but not above the long-term maximum, and we still have to see that in context.

The one problem with ONS all-cause data is that we pay for its accuracy with a delay.

399031 Tim Bidie, 2, #1037 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:

‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested…. ….cases….uptick….driven by ‘false positives’ (it wasn’t)’

entirely disregarding the Transport Secretary’s Kent blinder

15,560 lorry drivers tested in Kent 26 Dec 2020 at the height of ‘Kent covid’, 36 positives

399033 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #1038 of 1678 🔗

None of the people who died rang up to complain so the vaccine is fine. That’s official

399036 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1039 of 1678 🔗

No one is allowed to question the government, the SAGE, or the vaccine producers!

399390 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TheClone, #1040 of 1678 🔗

Achtung! Das ist verboten!

399034 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1041 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:

‘‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….then asked where are the deaths? (deaths then rose dramatically)’

He’s wrong again!

399043 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1042 of 1678 🔗

I think they are just thick. Or they don’t have any desire to actually question the reality.

Yes, a not to be dismissed as far as winters go. A pandemic?

399127 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1043 of 1678 🔗

I think they are just thick.”

No. As said – that’s just comfort food.

399041 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 34, #1044 of 1678 🔗

I watched the Wizard of Oz with my (nine year old) son this afternoon – seeking to make the best of the enforced home schooling I’m introducing him to some classics. (Last week was the Errol Flynn Robin Hood). We both enjoyed it immensely. A joyous, funny, wise and optimistic story, unpatronising and devoid of cynicism. Our debased and exhausted culture is simply incapable of producing anything this good.

There are a lot of obvious lessons, too, for our current situation. The Scarecrow was already clever and the Tin Man already had a heart, but they needed to be given trinkets to fool them into realising this. Likewise, we are already as healthy and “safe” as we have always been, but the majority of us now seem to require our own Wizard of Boz to present us with a mask and a needle that will trick us into remembering how to feel that way again.

And like Dorothy, as a society we possess the power to return home in a heartbeat. We need only close our eyes, tap our heels, and speak the magic words: “there’s no place like the old normal.” And we could then look around and find out that we have been there all along – we just needed to wake up.

399044 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #1045 of 1678 🔗

funnily that’s not totally incompatible with the collective insanity theory I just posted above.

399065 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #1046 of 1678 🔗

These stories are based on archetypal characters and formats that resonate throughout all of human knowledge. The trauma of Dorothy losing her parents, and going into the wilderness to confront demons, and return, more able to see the good in the world.

It’s there in every single Disney movie you watch. Lion King rams it down your throat its that obvious. The recent Frozen films follow the same path. To love you must first hate.

In a similar vein, pop songs are very often reminiscent of nursery rhyme melodies. These are not by random. The notes and frequencies resonate with us in a way with feels like a connection. Music is talking to you but at a more fundamental level. Through feeling and intuition.

Those who craft such movies and songs are often just copying what wnet before. But I do think many actually know exactly what they are doing when they create these works. They are engaging us in a spiritual message.

399387 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Johnsontown, #1047 of 1678 🔗

They are trying to poison our innate humanity.

399042 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 25, #1048 of 1678 🔗

I know the conspiracy theories.

But is this possibly some form of collective insanity? I say that because the stuff coming out of the UK government seems to become more absurd and divorced from reality every day, and yet a large proportion of the population accept it apparently unquestioningly.

399049 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1049 of 1678 🔗

There is certainly a large element of collective insanity.

If one wants to be reasonably sure of ‘conspiracy’ then one needs reasonable evidence of foreknowledge, or something which points to forelnowledge.

Do you think we have that?


Is there a motive?

399119 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to rockoman, 5, #1050 of 1678 🔗

I have seen some hints of it but it’s difficult to know what to believe. Or, perhaps, difficult to belive something so monstrous is occurring. It’s bad enough if its driven by panic, incompetence and ass-covering, positively terrifying if deliberate.

I am certain that there are people in the elite taking the opportunity to further their own aims. not least Princess Nut Nut.

399163 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1051 of 1678 🔗

The climate change lobbyists want exactly what’s happened to the world economy, i.e. cessation of international travel, flying, cruising, etc, except for the chosen few such as John Kerry; an end to capitalism…
CV19 has achieved in a year what the climate change lobby has been trying to do for years.

“It’s bad enough if its driven by panic, incompetence and ass-covering, positively terrifying if deliberate.”
I think it could be both.

399160 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to rockoman, 2, #1052 of 1678 🔗

The evidence of foreknowledge is enormous; you just aren’t looking in the right places. I have seen commentators saying that this was on the way since 1990.

399415 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, 1, #1053 of 1678 🔗

Event 201 in October 2019 simulated a pandemic and its response.Organised by Bill Gates,John Hopkins University and the WEF.
I can’t prove a conspiracy but it’s undeniable that governments are using this crisis to further certain interests and prolonging the crisis.
That is the definition of a conspiracy.

399050 ▶▶ RickH, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1054 of 1678 🔗

Whether ‘insanity’ is the best term is debatable, but induced delusion it certainly is.

It illustrates how perception can be shaped – a real Derren Brown performance!

399383 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to RickH, 1, #1055 of 1678 🔗

No push back and voluntary acquiescence.

399057 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1056 of 1678 🔗

Fear and reason rarely appear together. After 11 months of fear, reason is a distant memory.

399085 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #1057 of 1678 🔗

It doesn’t seem hard to set up a cult,the staged events every evening, the radio and tv adverts, the repetition, all part of the government BIT unit strategy.

399103 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1058 of 1678 🔗

Agreed. The more this goes on the more I realise just how vulnerable people are to coercion. I had a feeling it was bad, but seeing it in action….

399105 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1059 of 1678 🔗

I reckon that is the reaction most of us feel.

399129 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 1, #1060 of 1678 🔗

Yup. It’s just so bloody disappointing.

399165 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1061 of 1678 🔗

Most people believe in the institutions that govern us. They haven’t yet realised that those in power don’t give two farts for us.

399108 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1062 of 1678 🔗

It doesn’t seem hard to set up a cult”

Well … getting all that in place is the hard bit. Neither you nor I could put that infrastructure in place.

But once the mechanism is there ……

399110 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to DanClarke, #1063 of 1678 🔗

And have the money to pay for it all…..

399487 ▶▶ Woden, replying to redbirdpete, #1064 of 1678 🔗

Yes, maybe the human race goes collectively fucking mad , and waits to see what happens then rearranges the furniture…

399045 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1065 of 1678 🔗

Lockdown zealotry: Ryan Bourne Business Pages DT 05 Feb says:

‘‘radical ‘lockdown sceptics’….suggested…. high excess deaths primarily caused by lockdown (they are not)’

But he didn’t bother to read the Amnesty International report, did he?

Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’


Remind me, when did you, or anyone else, read the DT Business Section………?

399086 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #1066 of 1678 🔗

One example:

Looking at the US it is clear when one looks at the different jurisdictions (states) and their differing responses to the WHO pandemic declaration, that the March/April mortality spike was primarily caused by lockdown and its associated ,measures.

More generally and internationally, one sees that spikes in mortality are clearly associated with jurisdictional boundaries. Since a virus cannot tell where one jurisdiction ends and another begins, it i clear that human intervention was responsible – ie lockdown measures,

399122 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, #1067 of 1678 🔗

the March/April mortality spike was primarily caused by lockdown”

Highly doubtful – although added to by bad handling of Care Homes, and possibly some other deaths related to a reluctance to seek treatment.

  1. The shape of the curve is typical of a novel infection, and the commonality of the shape between areas and countries works two ways – both destroying any thesis that lockdowns work, and the idea that they were the fundamental cause.
  2. The timing of the deaths don’t work in terms of a lockdown causation
399880 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to RickH, #1068 of 1678 🔗

‘Primarily caused by lockdown and its associated measures’

Any common cold virus, and probably there would have been more than one, introduced en masse into care homes, would have caused a similar mortality spike; known about for years:

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’

399158 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to rockoman, 1, #1069 of 1678 🔗

And deaths in care homes were also very high in New York and Michigan. Both states, and possibly more, had CV19-positive patients sent into care/nursing homes.
Which is why I’m not sure that what happened in this country last March wasn’t an accident or an oversight.

399056 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 23, #1070 of 1678 🔗

Is it just me or is LS increasingly following the news rather than setting the sceptical agenda? Hope it’s just me!

I’d welcome some news from Israel. Yesterday the Times of Israel was reporting that although 90% of the population had received a vaccine shot and over 2 million had received both shots (covering all the vulnerable population who can have the vaccine, given Israel’s population is about 9 million), the virus was still running rampant, the R rate had actually increased again, rising above 1 and hospitalisations were still stressing the health service.

How does the above square with the vaxomad propaganda in the MSM?

399058 ▶▶ merlin, replying to OKUK, 6, #1071 of 1678 🔗

Similar picture in UAE, mass vaccination followed by tightening restrictions. Cases in India are essentially zero , but MSM still bleating about miracle vaccines.

399071 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to merlin, 2, #1072 of 1678 🔗

Reminds me of Sweden. The msm couldn’t wait to bleat on about the disaster it was as soon as any death occurred then explained it away when it didn’t. Here we have, “oh look the vaccine work”, then, “oh well, give it three weeks”

399060 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to OKUK, 5, #1073 of 1678 🔗

The 7-day death rate in Israel is now going up again, and is now almost back at its December high.


399067 ▶▶ Will, replying to OKUK, 1, #1074 of 1678 🔗

Israel has had half a dozen lockdowns as well.

399074 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 3, #1075 of 1678 🔗

They’ll probably just shoot people now to get the numbers down and prove the vaccine works

399097 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1076 of 1678 🔗

Vaccine Macht Frei.

399095 ▶▶ iane, replying to OKUK, #1077 of 1678 🔗

Yep – Sherelle Jacobs at the DT is another back-slider, now losing her grip on reality!

399371 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to OKUK, #1078 of 1678 🔗

It’s not just you. Toby Young was hoping/wishing to be appointed to the House of Lords several years ago when Cameron was PM.

399059 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, #1079 of 1678 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDPdLsFPkc – this is just so fucking depressing. curse you tube for putting it in my feed! (and now I’m spreading the misery to you)

399077 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JaneHarry, #1080 of 1678 🔗

Not this shit again. Ugh.

399278 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JaneHarry, #1081 of 1678 🔗

Just no, Jane 🙂

399063 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #1082 of 1678 🔗

Save the Earth

399078 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Victoria, 5, #1083 of 1678 🔗

Most people obviously don’t give a flying duck about their nappy addiction.

399083 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 8, #1084 of 1678 🔗

The Gretatarians don’t give a flying fig about pollution
Just their magical C02

399092 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1085 of 1678 🔗

Ah yes, yet more of Greta Garbage.

399368 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iane, #1086 of 1678 🔗

They are all tied together. Greta’s been duped. Willingly.

399088 ▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, 6, #1087 of 1678 🔗

Tut, tut: that is supposed to cover the mouth!

399357 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to iane, #1088 of 1678 🔗

It’s great for trawling fish.

399267 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 1, #1089 of 1678 🔗

It’s bloody criminal

399068 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1090 of 1678 🔗

Jesus wept -does Ferguson still run the bloody country https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9228617/Boris-faces-Tory-demands-drop-curbs-amid-SAGE-warnings.html

“However, the competing pulls that Mr Johnson faces were underlined this afternoon as the government published stark modelling from Prof Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College.
Considered by SAGE on January 14, the paper assumed that there will be a phased easing of lockdown between March and July, and warned that a ‘rapid ramp-up’ of vaccinations to ‘at least’ 3million doses a week is ‘critical to avoid exceeding national hospital capacity after the current wave’.
The government is currently maintaining around that level. But the report added: ‘This would still lead to an additional 130,800 (103,200 – 167,600) deaths between now and June 2022.’
The Imperial team suggested that its findings meant ‘a more cautious approach to gradually lifting (lockdown measures) may need to be considered than the ones modelled in this report.’  “

399075 ▶▶ stevie, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1091 of 1678 🔗

May to July have the most daylight hours so should be safe to lift lockdown IF it was about health.

399113 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1092 of 1678 🔗

Ferguson has been wrong on every prediction he’s made, plus he should be out of the picture after his booty call, what has he got on Johnson.

399205 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1093 of 1678 🔗

Bill gates and his money bankrolling Imperial.

399391 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1094 of 1678 🔗

At the end of this Imperial should be demolished and a peace garden take its place

399230 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1095 of 1678 🔗

‘critical to avoid exceeding national hospital capacity after the current wave’

‘This would still lead to an additional 130,800 (103,200 – 167,600) deaths between now and June 2022.’

Soft soothing voice… or should it be Vincent Price?

“This isn’t just modelling… this is ‘ stark modelling’.”

399069 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1096 of 1678 🔗

Bots professing love for Bojo in unison seconds after his latest tweet. And to think we used to find Kim Jong-un sinister.

399084 ▶▶ iane, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1097 of 1678 🔗

And Kim is surely now the only man with a Korea for life!

399089 ▶▶ mj, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1098 of 1678 🔗

so transparent. not only so stupid that each “poster” says exactly the same thing, the posters all seem to be football fans (i.e. something footy related in their names) and i cannot believe football fans would ever say something like that

399107 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #1099 of 1678 🔗

The government have spent a lot of money on msm to get them to produce the ‘correct’ response, paid bots all part of the service.

399131 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1100 of 1678 🔗

It’s probably Kin Jong-Un sending the tweets.
Or the CCP.

399354 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, #1101 of 1678 🔗

Maybe it’s Boris? Or Princess N N?

399152 ▶▶ leggy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1102 of 1678 🔗

You just can’t get the quality of bot these days. One would have thought they’d know the difference between your and you’re. AI isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.

399350 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to leggy, #1103 of 1678 🔗

That is because it is artificial intelligence. Not the real deal.

399224 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1104 of 1678 🔗

“My Prime Minister”

Said no-one in the UK… EVER !

399227 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1105 of 1678 🔗

The Queen is allowed to say it.

399534 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Edward, 1, #1106 of 1678 🔗

LOL! You and your facts, Edward. 😉

399233 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1107 of 1678 🔗

Do I detect a big back bench rebellion rumbling or a potential leadership bid coming.

399070 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1108 of 1678 🔗

I have a Twitter thread to show to those of you who don’t feel sufficiently angry enough yet today.


Top 10 reasons why reopening soon is BAD! 3 of them are just the word MUTATIONS.

399076 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1109 of 1678 🔗

This guy has been infested with mutants – is he also a zerocovidcultist?

399080 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1110 of 1678 🔗

Given that he ends off his top 10 with a quick “If we show patience we can ERADICATE this disease” it is safe to say he is part of the cult.

399111 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ricky1, 10, #1111 of 1678 🔗

We’ve only ever eradicated one virus, smallpox, which involved a massive worldwide vaccination programme.
I assume the smallpox virus is a fairly stable one, which was why we could eradicate it.
To do the same with a respiratory virus that already has thousands of mutations out there, with a vaccine that’s not even finished full clinical trials, is the height of delusion, in my opinion.
You’d have to stop all international travel, no holidays, etc, for years.

So much for “we have to remain in the EU so we can travel freely.”

399128 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to LMS2, 7, #1112 of 1678 🔗

The smallpox virus has also mutated centuries ago so that it can only survive as a live virus in humans, so there is no risk of reinfection from animals or the environment.

399194 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to LMS2, 2, #1113 of 1678 🔗

Yes and the first vaccine was developed more than 200 years ago I believe….

399347 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 3, #1114 of 1678 🔗

A million and a half people die of tuberculosis every year.

399292 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ricky1, #1115 of 1678 🔗

Till the next mutation comes along…

399342 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to godowneasy, #1116 of 1678 🔗

Definitely not a mutant Ninja turtle.

399079 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ricky1, 7, #1117 of 1678 🔗

He’s a sick man.

Variant mentioned 6 times I counted there. And the backlog to the NHS now thrown in as a reason to punish kids still further.

399081 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1118 of 1678 🔗

That was the most laughable thing. We must lockdown because the NHS backlog caused by lockdown threatens to overwhelm the NHS. What a narrow minded clown.

399221 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1119 of 1678 🔗

That’s great, I’ve written it down for future use as an example of an absurd pro-lockdown argument.

399114 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1120 of 1678 🔗

Exactly the same excuses were used for Canada, where they’re now quarantining people arriving in Canada in secret facilities, with night time curfews in Quebec, and a ban on cruise ships docking at any Canadian ports until February 2022.

399338 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, #1121 of 1678 🔗

When the cruise ships finally get back in the groove we should invite all the people who put us through this hell to take a trip on the deep, blue sea. Then throw them all overboard in shark infested waters.

399094 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ricky1, 2, #1122 of 1678 🔗


399109 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1123 of 1678 🔗

Not bad, he says “insane”.

Number 9 is a strange one. NHS waiting list is 100 times longer than last year so we should keep holding so it keeps getting longer.

399117 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ricky1, 8, #1124 of 1678 🔗

Long COVID – affects 1 in 5 adults, 1 in 8 kids…

FFS is this maniac just pulling made-up statistics out of his arse now or what?

399334 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to mattghg, #1125 of 1678 🔗

Maybe he has a cavernous arse?

399181 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1126 of 1678 🔗

Isn’t that the prat who Ivor Cummings took down back in September? And the one who appears in The Telegraph articles wearing his muzzle and an oxygen monitor?

399217 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1127 of 1678 🔗

Anyone up for Shots?

399082 GrannySlayer, 23, #1128 of 1678 🔗

I came across this passage, I thought it relevent to our current predicament:

“In Britain today, we live on the edge of dictatorship. Transition would be easy, swift, and it could be accomplished with complete legality. Already so many steps have been taken in this direction, due to the completeness of power possesed by the government of the day and the absence of any real check such as the terms of a written constitution or the existence of an effective second chamber, that those still to be taken are small in comparison.”

GW Keeton, The Passing of Parliament, 1952

399087 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 11, #1129 of 1678 🔗

When the government of the day allows mad science to experiment on real people, you get Mengele, Ferguson, and Lockdown. It’s for your own good.

399331 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1130 of 1678 🔗

You forgot Fauci.

399096 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 52, #1131 of 1678 🔗

My town is buzzing, bright sun and everyone out, no masks in the street, eye test without a mask, also the young optician. We’ve got to fade out of lockdown, while the government aren’t looking.

399106 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DanClarke, 17, #1132 of 1678 🔗

Been trying to find a way of explaining the end game to my wife, fade out of lockdown is probably the best I’ve heard yet. Cheers Dan.

399118 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to DanClarke, 25, #1133 of 1678 🔗

I’m looking forward to seeing Blowjob declare victory, like the chess playing pigeon who knocks over all of the pieces, shits all over the board, then struts about like it won.

399125 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1134 of 1678 🔗

Its his war, his victory, its Churchill all over again, uncanny

399200 ▶▶ Edward, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1135 of 1678 🔗

Plenty of masks in my town, but an increasing proportion below the nose. I think it’s a reflection of of the recent slight dialling down of the fear factor in the media (government adverts notwithstanding). It goes to show how easily the masses are manipulated.

399099 danny, replying to danny, 31, #1136 of 1678 🔗

So now even the scientists think schools should be open, yet Boris has said March 8th, so it stays.
What happened to “schools will not stay shut a second longer than necessary”?
The only possible reason now is pride, mixed with fear of angering the unions.
So instead he floats the idea of longer days. Yes that’s what an entire generation of deschooled, fearful kids need, more intensive work. The exams are gone, but why not keep them locked up a bit longer, then just cram it all into long days. What could possibly go wrong!
As a teacher and a parent, I would have no problem scrapping or reducing the holidays, but schools must open NOW.

399286 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 1, #1137 of 1678 🔗

Also, what happened to following the science? Johnson does not want to look weak, which is a concern that is a hallmark of a politician who is in fact weak.

399112 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1138 of 1678 🔗

Had a poke about on a BBC comments section earlier. The one saying that the MHRA report that the vaccine is completely safe. What a hilarious and scary place to go. Here is a selection of my favourites (I promise not to do it again too soon):

  • My son Edwin a registrar in virology has been vaccinated and advised my 80 plus parents to get vaccinated immediately and they did Jan 4th ,it’s dose 2 Monday. Sandra their neighbour has Botox buttock and breast implants as well as lip filler and has already been hospitalised as a result of these procedures. She left school at 16 without a qualification but has advised they to avoid vaccination.
  • I felt rough for 2-3 days. Fevery without actually having a fever. I also previously had covid-19, I’d take 100 vaccines before having that again.
  • Are the BBC going to apologise for all the scare mongering over the last few weeks regarding the Vaccine not working and the MUTANT Variations? When it has now been proved that the vaccines work against ALL variants
  • It’s time the government supported big pharma and lock up those smearing the vaccine with bogus videos. I saw a very good one where they claimed the Pfizer vaccine had left their mum with severe and unstoppable shakes. That’s damaging morale with proven lies.
  • We can always ask for more proof for elderly or extreme vulnerable, but time we put on big boy pants and get jabbed for the country
  • When you’re called you must do your patriotic duty and get vaccinated . This is no joke. This is a matter of life and death, for you, your loved ones and your fellow world citizens.
399123 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1139 of 1678 🔗

I can see them tapping away on their keyboards and claiming their pittance for doing it, what a job.

399133 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 13, #1140 of 1678 🔗

Roll, Britannia, Brits, roll up your sleeves:
Make a fortune for the vaccine thieves.

399149 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Annie, 11, #1141 of 1678 🔗

“Britons never never will be slaves (unless the government and media create a fear campaign that easily convinces them to willingly give away every freedom they ever fought for and cower behind the sofa)”

399375 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 1, #1142 of 1678 🔗

Patriotic duty.Ive never felt less patriotic in my life.

399435 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1143 of 1678 🔗

Patriotism is, as we all know, the last refuge of a scoundrel.

399135 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1144 of 1678 🔗

Oh yes, one thing the government definitely hasn’t done enough is support big pharma!

Fucking 77th.

399137 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1145 of 1678 🔗

I bet none, not one of them have heard of Ivermectin.

399139 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1146 of 1678 🔗

Have you got a link to this comment section, I would like to make a comment about the cheap, well known cures, ignored by governments. I like to spread the word.

399143 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1147 of 1678 🔗

Good luck and prepare to be downvoted – here’s the article https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55946912

399145 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to godowneasy, 15, #1148 of 1678 🔗

Downvoted, fecking hell I’ve been held prisoner for the last 11months, being downvoted is the least of my worries. Thanks for the link, here goes.

399154 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 26, #1149 of 1678 🔗

Ok I’ve posted this, It’s time to start shaming the government on this. Let it be known

Just a shame the UK regulator never saw fit to use, cheap, well known effective treatments that have been around for 60 years like Ivermectin, HCQ, zinc and Vitamin C&D. It literally would have saved thousands of lives, much like it’s doing right now in India and most of Africa. I guess no profit for the big pharma’s if these drugs were used. http://www.c19ivermectin.com

Timed at 16:37 please feel free to all tick me up, or comment about these as well. No point preaching to the converted here.

399197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1150 of 1678 🔗

Definitely 77b on there. Some replies

  • These are not effective treatments. Perhaps a little less social media for your research.
  • Some of the things you mention have been trialed by the NHS. The NHS have engaged in numerous very large treatment trials. The UK regulator need credible evidence from trials rather than anecdotal evidence before it approves a treatment.
399222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Andrew K, 7, #1151 of 1678 🔗

Aah credible evidence from trials. Like the non existent trials from Pfizer and others.

399259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1152 of 1678 🔗

These drugs were being used as long ago as April. They’ve had months more data than any vaccine trial, but done fuck all about it.

399328 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Andrew K, #1153 of 1678 🔗

Destroy big pharma. Medical mafia. Public Health menace.

399348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1154 of 1678 🔗
399464 ▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1155 of 1678 🔗

Well, I read a few comments and they all seem to fall into the “seriously uninformed and seriously over-opinionated” category.

399218 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1156 of 1678 🔗

I suspect it won’the get through but worth a try!

399316 ▶▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1157 of 1678 🔗

Go here for numerous international papers supporting the efficacy of Vits.C&D / Zinc / Ivermectin / HQC ….. Swiss Policy Research – Swiss Policy Research (swprs.org)

399148 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1158 of 1678 🔗

For the love of God. And we walk amongst these people (or used to).

399162 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 4, #1159 of 1678 🔗

Yes – my strictures about avoiding the ‘stupid’ label obviously doesn’t apply to self-certified morons. 🙂

399176 ▶▶ TJN, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1160 of 1678 🔗

Horrifying. Brave of you to look though.

399203 ▶▶ Basics, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1161 of 1678 🔗

I fancy this may strike many as a strange thing to say. But it is a fact that in my life ‘a fever’ only ever appeared in american films and tv. Always assumes to be a vague term to portray some sickness in a melodrama. A cowboy falls of a horse, bumps head, a fever ensues with damp towel. A lady has a turn and becomes unwell, a fever scene develops. Never in all my young life was a fever used by anyone to describe anything. No one in 12 years education ever had a day off due to a fever.

What is a fever?

399229 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Basics, 1, #1162 of 1678 🔗

I agree. We normally say ” have a bit of a temperature”, meaning you are a bit hot and cold.

399670 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hypatia, #1163 of 1678 🔗

yes, oddly enough, if you have a fever you are sometimes shivering, with your teeth chattering. i suppose it means your body’s thermostat has simply gone haywire.

399208 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1164 of 1678 🔗

7 7th?

399332 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1165 of 1678 🔗


army squaddies carrying out propaganda duties on line

399211 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1166 of 1678 🔗

BTW loved the commenth about locking people up. These comments are so contrived they can only be influences or 7 7th

399228 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1167 of 1678 🔗

I am banned from the BBC HYS…thank God……it reminds me what a country of morons we live in…..

399309 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1168 of 1678 🔗

Patriotic duty? Insane stuff.

399346 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1169 of 1678 🔗
399361 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, #1170 of 1678 🔗

Haha, got to give it to those squaddies: what they lack in morals, they more than make up for with their imagination – some of those are hilarious!

399115 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 7, #1171 of 1678 🔗

Latest from here


All being well another 3 weeks and there’ll be no excuse Boris.

Not that I think there is now by the way.

399126 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1172 of 1678 🔗

Ah, but there is always the fergusexcuse!

399130 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 5, #1173 of 1678 🔗

An excuse for a man, certainly.

399147 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Annie, 3, #1174 of 1678 🔗

And for having an OBE; but maybe that means Outlandish Bonkers Extrapolations.


399124 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #1175 of 1678 🔗

From the same source, a couple of weeks ago this map was entirely red.

399337 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1176 of 1678 🔗

Doesn’t matter. They want stop now until it is zero.

399138 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1177 of 1678 🔗

I’ve seen this data presented as a ‘pie-chart’ by @RminatorDan but I thought it might be better as a bar chart so here it is.
If you were wondering what the likely level of misattribution might look like here it is.
Just as an aside, the excess deaths in UK hospitals over the 10 months is about 23,000, given that there are about 2,000 hospitals in the UK that works out at 1 extra death per month per hospital. Now I know it doesn’t work out like that & I feel for the medics on the front line but I do feel there’s a large element of lions led by donkeys.

399157 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 3, #1178 of 1678 🔗

More good work – except the use of the meaningless ‘excess’ term, Nick 🙂

399171 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 1, #1179 of 1678 🔗

It’s not exactly meaningless.

It’s just that one should know what one is using.

Like other useful tools it has to be used with enlightened intelligence . and not reified.

399234 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, #1180 of 1678 🔗

As Rockoman says, it isn’t meaningless as long as it isn’t taken to mean what ‘should’ happen.

399190 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 1, #1181 of 1678 🔗

I’m being thick but I don’t understand this

How are you defining “excess”?

Where the numbers are negative, what does that mean?

From memory I think all cause mortality last year was roughly 100,000 up on 5 year average. Is that correct? How does one get from that figure to the numbers on your chart?

399239 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, #1182 of 1678 🔗

As far as I understand it, the negative figures are those deaths from other causes that should be in the data(according to a 5 year average) but aren’t.

399244 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 2, #1183 of 1678 🔗

That’s what I thought but then if you add up all the numbers it nets to a fairly small number – much less than the total “excess” deaths in 2020

399279 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, #1184 of 1678 🔗

Yeah, I was just thinking about that there. I am probably wrong. We’ll both have to wait and see what Nick says!

399241 ▶▶ jb12, replying to NickR, #1185 of 1678 🔗

Who is @RminatorDan, Nick?

399611 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to jb12, #1186 of 1678 🔗

Whoo is jb12?

399694 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to NickR, #1187 of 1678 🔗

The person who asked you a question so he can see your sources. Is that ok?

399142 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1188 of 1678 🔗

Same post but for clarity I’ve changed the commentary to read ‘missing’ non-covid deaths, hope that explains the -ve numbers more clearly.

399174 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to NickR, 7, #1189 of 1678 🔗

I think the key take-away from this is the very small number of covid deaths at home. The ‘below line’ bars showing non-covid deaths in hospitals and at home are typical of normal years , 40%+ at home. But covid deaths at home are negligible.
Also non-covid deaths in care homes are far lower than normal.
One reason for these; PCR tests given in hosptals and care homes, everyone with any sort of respiratory disease at all, whatever their main ailment is officially a covid death.
Turn PCRs off or amplification down to 25, and deaths revert to usual pattern.
Total excess would still be slightly raised from recent trend, but nothing particularly unusual, put down as ‘bad flu year’. And we move on.
But that was never the plan!

399274 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, #1190 of 1678 🔗

You have explained this whole sorry mess in less than 10 sentences. Yet people still want to wallow in misery about self inflicted pain over Covid.

399156 leggy, replying to leggy, 2, #1191 of 1678 🔗

In case anyone fancies a gig or concert this year (or probably any year), they might want a read of this:


399173 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to leggy, 8, #1192 of 1678 🔗

If you can get drugs into a club you can get in without the yellow star of health

399214 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1193 of 1678 🔗

Amazon will probably be selling them like exemption lanyards.

399243 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to leggy, 8, #1194 of 1678 🔗

So now you have to take drugs just to get into a club?

399266 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1195 of 1678 🔗

very good 🙂

399324 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to leggy, 2, #1196 of 1678 🔗

Just say no. Let them go out of business. Tough luck.

399161 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #1197 of 1678 🔗


7-day incidence of death has turned markedly higher in UAE.

399172 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 3, #1198 of 1678 🔗

Are they vaccinating or massaging the figures to justifyd the UAE being aded to the naughty list for those social influencers enjoying themselves while working?

399175 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, #1199 of 1678 🔗

I doubt it in this case.

399188 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 2, #1200 of 1678 🔗

I know they have approved the Pfizer, a Chinese and a Russian jab but if they have started a mass campaign I don’t know.

It was purely voluntary a while ago.

399201 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, 1, #1201 of 1678 🔗

It’s an optional avccine but Emiraties, tehir families, over 60s and the vulnerable group (the ill) can walk in to a centre and get it free – started Dec 2020.

They also approved the Oxford/AstraZeneca one.

399210 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to rockoman, 5, #1202 of 1678 🔗

Population, under 10m; PCR tests over 26m. You keep ‘looking for it’ , you’ll find it.
Thailand population 70m, PCR tests just over 1m, deaths from covid less than 100.

399164 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1203 of 1678 🔗

I wonder how many Politicians own these hotels?

399166 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #1204 of 1678 🔗

I wonder how many politicians are owned.

399178 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to rockoman, 2, #1205 of 1678 🔗

I don’t wonder how many politicians are simply stupid.

399290 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to rockoman, 1, #1206 of 1678 🔗

Many have skeletons in the cupboard – that’s how they are controlled.

399315 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to rockoman, #1207 of 1678 🔗

Probably more than those who own hotels.

399195 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1208 of 1678 🔗

I just sit and wonder to be honest…………

399177 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1209 of 1678 🔗

Scotland England border checks not ruled out by SNP ministers
Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said that she wouldn’t rule out checks on the border, while Deputy First Minister John Swinney said Scotland was looking for a “big and effective obstacle” to stop people travelling in from England

PropagandaLive if you want to read more

399306 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Basics, 2, #1210 of 1678 🔗

The SNP is loving this. Just taught my students via Zoom and we were discussing how the SNP continues to do so well in the polls despite dreadful failures in domestic policy. If Sturgeon gets through the supposed ‘investigation’ into the Salmond affair, she’s likely to win the May election. It’s likely to be the most divisive in the history of devolution.

399314 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1211 of 1678 🔗

What were your students’ conclusions?

399393 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to jb12, 1, #1212 of 1678 🔗

They seem to think Scottish independence is all but inevitable. They may be right, but I’m not sure about the timetable. I’m not sure Johnson will be UK PM for that much longer, and this change would have some impact on Scottish opinion.

399432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom in Scotland, 8, #1213 of 1678 🔗

Independence come. Hard border come. English free money stop. Scotland buggered. End of.

399465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Annie, 1, #1214 of 1678 🔗

This. The idiots cannot see it coming. If something doesn’t happen before this runaway train gets into the station, all these pensioned furloughed selfish. ………….. ( Fill in the blank my imagination isn’t up to being inventive except to swear) will get the biggest shock when it crashes and burns taking with it the money they think is their right.

399535 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1215 of 1678 🔗

Thanks. I have to agree, I just hope Stalin doesn’t stay in long enough to see it.

399345 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Basics, 3, #1216 of 1678 🔗

Do SNP ministers know how big and porous the England/Scotland border is? Do they have any idea how many people it would take to secure the border? Has the Scottish government conducted/published a cost/benefit analysis?

399398 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1217 of 1678 🔗

The SNP doesn’t check into anything! The party doesn’t let reality stop it from talking shite.

399411 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1218 of 1678 🔗

I’m sure they’d have been the first to call out Trump’s wall. How would this be any different?

399530 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, #1219 of 1678 🔗

Trump’s wall which, incidentally, was started by Bill Clinton. Which the BBC doesn’t seem to mention much.

399389 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Basics, 1, #1220 of 1678 🔗

Let’s be cRRRRRystal cleaRRRR. Make no mistake.

399407 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 1, #1221 of 1678 🔗

Fuck sake we’ll have a DMZ zone like North/ South Korea at this rate.

399427 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 1, #1222 of 1678 🔗

They’ve got a big and effective obstacle, It’s Turdgeon. What sane person would want to come within her orbit?

399449 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Basics, 3, #1223 of 1678 🔗

I partly joked this morning about selling up and moving to England but this is no joke, they really are considering zero covid as why else would they attempt to close the border now, nearly 1 year after this shit show started. What big and effective obstacle could they get to stop us, as in what other threat can they use? 865 positives today
865 in a population of 5.46 million people spread over 30,420 sq Miles.

I don’t know how much more of this I can take. I’m surrounded by sheep,cowards and ostriches.

Please Scotty beam me fkn up.

399182 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1224 of 1678 🔗

ONS again:

The biggest increase was seen in those aged 90 years and over (331 more deaths). Nearly three-quarters (73.0%) of deaths involving COVID-19 were in people aged 75 years and over.

How many weeks now it says the same about increased deaths over the previous week in this age bracket? 4? 5?

399216 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1225 of 1678 🔗

Yep! but the covid vaccines are safe, honest guv.

399336 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1226 of 1678 🔗
399196 Basics, replying to Basics, 17, #1227 of 1678 🔗

the great reopening manchester cafe claims victory


399206 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 6, #1228 of 1678 🔗

Brilliant. Wonder if there was any follow-up from the EHO bod.

399213 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #1229 of 1678 🔗

Telegram group etc for more. I don’t know the ins and outs. A friend was there.

399271 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 2, #1230 of 1678 🔗

Apparently legal advice is being sort/accessed. With a common law specialist. I realise that is vague but that is the update I have.

399275 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 2, #1231 of 1678 🔗

This is the one I posted about earlier .

Apparently they’ve received a “Premises Closure Warning” with the threat that, if they continue, ‘we may make an application to close your premises down’, rather than the “official closure notice” originally mentioned.

If you’ve any advice for them kh, based on your own experience, I can probably pass it on to them.

399285 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark, 1, #1232 of 1678 🔗

Good stuff Mark. Apologies I didn’t see earlier post.

399298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Basics, 1, #1233 of 1678 🔗

No need to apologise! More exposure more better….

399302 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 7, #1234 of 1678 🔗

We were recently served with a ‘Prohibition Notice’ and have received several threats of fines/further action. As far as we are concerned, we are doing nothing wrong. We are offering a takeaway service and if people want to ignore the bench signs, that’s their decision. We have heard nothing further from the council/police, but I am aware that we are being watched closely – both by council operatives/the police and CCTV.

We were half expecting a visit today, as six out of the seven benches available in the park beyond our premises were taken. All by people consuming drinks/food from other outlets!

399425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #1235 of 1678 🔗

All the garbage they have ‘served’ on you will be declared unlawful before long, and I’m hoping you’ll get massive compensation from your unspeakable, persecuting, Fascist council.

399431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to kh1485, 5, #1236 of 1678 🔗

The trick to avoid paying any fines seems to be to opt to go to court rather than pay. This has several effects, first the prosecuting officer has to do a lot of paperwork to expedite the process, then the case has to be assessed by the authorities to see whether it is worth pursuing it (I think the Crown Prosecution Services is involved) and then if it gets any further it is put into the court system which has a massive (and growing) backlog so it may well be years down the line until it is considered.

399480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Norman, 2, #1237 of 1678 🔗

Definitely refuse fine and say will go to court. CPS are throwing vast majority out.

399528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ituex, 1, #1238 of 1678 🔗

If this nightmare ever ends, I can see any outstanding lockdown cases being pardoned, like Vietnam draft dodgers were after the war ended.

399226 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 4, #1239 of 1678 🔗

Good start to the weekend. Nice one!

399246 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 6, #1240 of 1678 🔗

The council guy turns up with a man city top on. What a fucking joke can he not dress himself in work attire.

399318 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1241 of 1678 🔗

was he the council bloke? i thought he was just some gobby city supporter.. I think he was full track suit. Might have been Kevin de Bruin calling in after training for a Bacon Sarnie.
I did notice that the police unusually were not being total arses. Maybe they never got the briefing memo

399402 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to mj, #1242 of 1678 🔗

As far as I could hear the fat twat said “we’ll let the courts decide” and I am sure I heard someone say council worker and two police officers.

399198 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 43, #1243 of 1678 🔗

Good to see Robert Dingwall, who has consistently been a voice of sanity in this crisis, once again pulling back from SAGE. It seems that a gap is now starting to open up between those officials who want to pursue a zero Covid policy regardless of cost and those who recognize such a policy would effectively turn the country into a police state. More and more people are pushing back against the restrictions – just look at the amount of traffic on the road – and the rebellion will grow as the fatality figures fall further. There is an important battle looming and I do honestly believe that SAGE will be on the losing side.

399237 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JamesM, 5, #1244 of 1678 🔗

good post. I hope you are right. The politicians have a chance to follow whatever science they choose – so lets hope they get a choice

have you got a link to what Dingwall has said?

399488 ▶▶▶ JamesM, replying to steve_w, #1245 of 1678 🔗

Apologies for the late response. Robert Dingwall was quoted in today’s Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/04/boris-johnson-overcautious-keeping-schools-closed-march-8-say/

399261 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JamesM, 19, #1246 of 1678 🔗

Yes, my 83 year old rebel mother drove down to the Cotswolds yesterday for an overnight stay with my sister. On to Oxford today to collect a rescue dog, then back home to the Midlands. She reported that the traffic was very heavy 🙂

399265 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nymeria, 9, #1247 of 1678 🔗

traffic was heavy all round Buckinghamshire last couple of days. I have no idea where people are going as everywhere is closed – must be to each others houses

399370 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nymeria, 4, #1248 of 1678 🔗

The traffic in South Shropshire, North Worcestershire, South Staffordshire and the West Midlands county was the busiest I have known it for months.

399263 ▶▶ Will, replying to JamesM, 16, #1249 of 1678 🔗

The traffic has been as normal throughout the whole of lockdown. The idea lockdown has stopped the progress of the virus is laughable.

399376 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Will, 7, #1250 of 1678 🔗

The authorities have been and are in denial (Big time).

399533 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Will, 1, #1251 of 1678 🔗

Daytime traffic normal in the West Midlands. After seven it’s a ghost town. There must be lots visiting friends and family as there has been nothing open for months. We normally stay over now when we visit people – dinner and a bottle of wine is closest anyone can get to a night out.

399204 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #1252 of 1678 🔗

Another day in the (half) life of Ivan Covidivich.

399212 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1253 of 1678 🔗

Today wasn’t too bad. Very nice weather here in East Anglia, sunny and mild. Lots of people out and about, children playing by the river etc. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens if we get a very early spring.

399219 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1254 of 1678 🔗

It was pleasant enough here in the West Midlands today as well.

399276 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1255 of 1678 🔗

Hmmmm, good point. I live on the Hampshire coast and it was flippin’ heaving from May -> Sept. last year. Never seen it so busy. Ever. I suspect even busier this year, especially if – as you say – we have an early Spring. I don’t mind, by the way, and looking forward to seeing my neck of the woods shamed in local/national rags.

399522 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #1256 of 1678 🔗

Remember also that foreign travel was much easier last year in the spring and early summer. It will likely be much harder this year which will mean even if they ban hotels and B&Bs from opening, many more people will taking days out in the UK. If schools are still off, that will add to the numbers even more.

399303 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Jo Starlin, #1257 of 1678 🔗

Such a brilliant book.

399207 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1258 of 1678 🔗

As We Said. They’re Telling You. Carl Vernon. 3 minute video.


399327 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basics, 2, #1259 of 1678 🔗
399349 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1260 of 1678 🔗

Yes. Keep sharing this one.

399220 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 13, #1261 of 1678 🔗

I recalled a poem which I think is relevant to those of us trying to cope philosophically with the possibility of perpetual lockdown and totalitarianism. It was written by a Royalist imprisoned during Cromwell’s rule, which must have seemed a very bleak time indeed.

Stone walls do not a prison make,
Nor iron bars a cage;
Minds innocent and quiet take
That for an hermitage.
If I have freedom in my love,
And in my soul am free,
Angels alone that soar above,
Enjoy such liberty.

(Richard Lovelace, 1618-1657)

399417 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1262 of 1678 🔗

Noble sentiments. But in Lovelace’s time, nobody had incarcerated the entire population. There was a free world outside his stone walls.
And as far as zombies are concerned, the stone walls and iron bars are in their heads, enclosing the grey mush that passes for a brain.

399513 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 1, #1263 of 1678 🔗

I think that’s what Lovelace is saying though – he means that even though he is in prison, it is not the bars and the walls that make it is a prison, it is the mental attitude of the inmates. Millions are in their own homes but living in the ‘prison’ of Covid. Those of us on here may be subject to lockdowns, but our essential spirit cannot be imprisoned. Blake said something similar when he referred to ‘mind-forged manacles’.

399607 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #1264 of 1678 🔗

Minds were in a different kind of prison. Matthew Hopkins was persecuting “witches” during the same time period.
Prisons at the time were not designed to be long-term although some people were indeed in them for a long time. For the most part prisoners were either released soon, executed or died of illness in custody – indeed, “gaol fever” was a thing and I have read of one assizes pretty much being taken out en masse because prisoners who had it were brought before a judge and most of the courtroom soon succumbed to the disease.

399550 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cranmer, #1265 of 1678 🔗


Fairport Convention music to the above

399223 Hypatia, replying to Hypatia, 7, #1266 of 1678 🔗

I see that Poland is opening up more from 12th February. Hotels can open to half capacity, ditto cinemas and theatres. Swimming pools open. Shopping centres open, although with restrictions on numbers in shops. Restaurants must stay closed, but can offer takeaways. Outdoor sports like golf allowed. Not sure about masks or vaccines though. Still better than what we have!

399235 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hypatia, 8, #1267 of 1678 🔗

My friend in Poland tells me skiing was banned. But the politician who made the rule was caught on a skiing holiday and lied and said her kids were in a ski club – in reality she was there with her friends

same the world over

399232 assoc, replying to assoc, 6, #1268 of 1678 🔗

Does anyone know where I can buy Ivermectin tablets in the U.K.

399248 ▶▶ leggy, replying to assoc, 4, #1269 of 1678 🔗

A vets probably!

399254 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 2, #1270 of 1678 🔗

It’ll be in gel form I think if that’s the route. I know people have tried to get it sent from S America and have had it stopped by customs.

399250 ▶▶ Mark, replying to assoc, 3, #1271 of 1678 🔗

A vet? Might have to tell them you need it to treat your pet for worms, though.

399294 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to assoc, #1272 of 1678 🔗

Are they prescription only? Have you looked up the Zelenko Protocol?

399476 ▶▶ ituex, replying to assoc, #1273 of 1678 🔗

Vets. Or online for horses, remember you don’t weigh 600kg which is what one syringe will treat. Could share it with friends.

399477 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to assoc, #1274 of 1678 🔗

Swprs. Org had a link to a reputable Indian distributor recently.

399249 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1276 of 1678 🔗

New tactic? Post-covid???

Up to 100 UK children a week hospitalised with rare post-Covid disease Exclusive: 75% of children worst affected by paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome are BAME


399251 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1277 of 1678 🔗

OK ok you win. Keep the schools closed forever

399359 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1278 of 1678 🔗

Turns around at the door “Oh, and by the way; you’re all redundant”.

399256 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1279 of 1678 🔗

The slightest hint that the schools are going to return and this filthy rag comes out with this nonsense.

399264 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 5, #1280 of 1678 🔗

just saying what their readership want to hear

399269 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Will, 4, #1281 of 1678 🔗

And a lot of teachers read no other publications.

399293 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1282 of 1678 🔗

According to modelling by doctors at the Evelina, cases will peak next Monday and then start to decline.

What modelling can tell them this? At the bottom of the article, a little bit more sense than the headline..

It remains rare, and we don’t think parents should worry, as it is far more likely not to affect their child than to affect them. The numbers are low and [PIMS] would not be a reason to keep schools from opening

More gutter press, from the supposedly great gold standard of journalism.

399297 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1283 of 1678 🔗

You gotta give them credit for the mileage. I don’t think I could keep this fear campaign up like they have even if my life depended on it.

399301 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1284 of 1678 🔗

I have huge respect for all the teachers who post on here, and to those who are working hard ( and there are many ), while (just like their pupils are) being used in a poltical game.

Give the Guardian, Smarmer and the Unions what they want! Offer all the teachers the vaccine; do it during the upcoming half-term…

and watch them refuse it in their tens of thousands !

What do the Guardian, the Unions and the Labour Party do then?

399305 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1285 of 1678 🔗

paediatric inflammatory multi-system syndrome

They can’t even be bothered to make up a name that sounds like it isn’t a third rate work of fiction.

399471 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1286 of 1678 🔗

Its called Kawasaki’s disease in actual medical circles. It’s not new even if they pretend it is.

399625 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to ituex, 2, #1287 of 1678 🔗

This was mentioned in the papers several months ago. The MSM reports then were that covid was triggering Kawasaki Disease in children. However the Kawasaki Disease Foundation (I’m not sure of their precise name) immediately discredited these reports by saying that in fact the number of KD cases since the pandemic had begun was well down on the expected numbers over the same time frame and they had concerns that children were being misdiagnosed as covid cases and not receiving the correct treatment for KD.

399360 ▶▶ John001, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1288 of 1678 🔗

Oh FFS give them vitamin D.

How many more 10,000s have to die or be disabled for life?

399784 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, #1289 of 1678 🔗

Probably lacking vitamin D.

399252 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1290 of 1678 🔗

DUP Petition SURGES With Brexiteer Support
Michael Heaver
51.2K subscribers

Petition – ‘Trigger Article 16. We want unfettered GB-NI Trade’: https://petition.parliament.uk/petiti

399268 ▶▶ HobbyGobbyGold, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1291 of 1678 🔗


399277 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1292 of 1678 🔗
399343 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #1293 of 1678 🔗

Parliament doesn’t debate petitions any more.

That was from the democratic era. This is now the totalitarian era.

399380 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1294 of 1678 🔗

Oh dear : Brexit – the irrelevant whinge that’s keeps giving whilst the burglar comes in the back door!

399502 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, -1, #1295 of 1678 🔗

Irrelevant to whom, you – the posturing prick who cannot think in categories?

Well, indeed!

399272 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 29, #1296 of 1678 🔗

I just had an interesting conversation with my daughter (currently a ‘stay at home’ student – and hating it).

I just got in and she told me there was a message on the answering machine from the GP surgery, asking me to make an appointment for the vaccine. She asked me two questions:

1. “Are you going to take the vaccine, Daddy?”
2. “Do you know what is going on?”

First question was easy:

1. “No.”

The second: not so easy.

We discuss on here BTL, and there are many debates on Social Media, about what is actually going on: Is it the WEF? The Great Reset? Is it all about control? Lizards? Big Pharma? Is it just about the politicians stealing billions?

I never lie to my daughter and answered as honestly as I could:

2. “ I really honestly do not know, baby.

399281 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1297 of 1678 🔗

That is honest – and right. There’s a lot of things going on.

399310 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 7, #1298 of 1678 🔗

That is honest – and right.

Thanks, Rick; I appreciate that. 🙂

399282 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1299 of 1678 🔗

I feel quite emotional reading that. You don’t need to know what’s going on. You need to love and protect each other more fiercely than you ever have. Protection is so easily confused with control. But they’re opposites.

And don’t get vaccinated. Your health matters, and nothing worthwhile is so easily achieved.

399283 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1300 of 1678 🔗

Neither do I know. But it is either a case of collective madness, or a massive conspiracy, or a case of collective madness that is being exploited by vested interests. I suspect it is the latter.

399287 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1301 of 1678 🔗

Although I honestly don’t know either, I’m pretty sure it’s not lizards.

399291 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #1302 of 1678 🔗

I’m not ruling anything out now. Personally, I hope the aliens invade better than this shit show.

399405 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1303 of 1678 🔗

I’m to the point where I would actually help the invading aliens.

399307 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1304 of 1678 🔗


399311 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1305 of 1678 🔗

You can never be 100 % sure

399313 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #1306 of 1678 🔗

Well, some of the attitudes coming out of the most rabid zealots are not recognisably human….

399288 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1307 of 1678 🔗

You should be very proud your daughter is asking these questions. My whole family whilst sceptical to an extent are not willing to ask what is really going on.

399319 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1308 of 1678 🔗

My close family are all 100% against lockdowns – some like me have looked into it a lot and thought about what’s going on, others just instinctively saw through it without thinking about it very much

399364 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1309 of 1678 🔗

It’s a peculiar time : my most vehement arguments are actually with my son, who doesn’t believe in most of what is being done, but thinks it’s all just incompetence. He finds it hard to attribute anything to venality.

399388 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, #1310 of 1678 🔗

Maybe that’s for the best in his case. The idea of corruption and malice is certainly not pleasant.

399622 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 1, #1311 of 1678 🔗

like my daughter. I think she just doesn’t have the depths of cynicism to be able to fathom the evil at work here

399365 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1312 of 1678 🔗

Right answer. But all we can do it point them in a direction we think is right. The politicians who are doing this to us have children and grandchildren of their own – so don’t they CARE about anyone else’s?
Or is it just a case of ”survival of the fittest”? (And it’s sad to think they are the fittest to survive in this world – but, then, they’re the ones who’ve created it. How fiendishly clever.)

399614 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 1, #1313 of 1678 🔗

I was researching narcissism a few weeks ago. It is estimated that 1% of the general population would be clinically classified as narcissists. As I know from personal experience, narcissists care for no one over and above themselves, not even those who to you and me would be called your ‘nearest and dearest’. They genuinely think the whole world revolves around them as an individual and have no understanding of empathy or compassion. The political world is, I am sure, one that attracts narcissists. That being so, they would have no qualms sacrificing the futures of their own family members to achieve their own aspirations whether that be wealth, fame or social standing.

399626 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #1314 of 1678 🔗

the politicians are just useful idiots. when the evil powers manipulating them are done with them, don’t you worry, they and their loved ones will be thrown under the bus along with the rest of us

399403 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1315 of 1678 🔗

Have you asked the lassie what she thinks is going on?

399529 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 7, #1316 of 1678 🔗

I did, Annie. It was discussed in her class the other day; big deal for the kids as it’s a Travel & Tourism course. She said the majority of her friends thought it was about stealing money, seeing your mates right, etc. Who am I to argue?

I’ll tell you all what, though; her classmates and all their friends, like most students countrywide, I suspect, hate it, don’t trust anything the politicians say, and are desperate for it to be over.

My heart goes out to these kids. That said; I wish they’d get on the streets and do something.

399636 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1317 of 1678 🔗

That’s certainly a big part of it – cui bono etc.

399509 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1318 of 1678 🔗

I have been asked that and usually reply, ‘there are quite a few theories, aren’t there?’ This works quite well at teasing out who’s a zealot and who’s a bit more informed/open minded.

399284 jcd, replying to jcd, 23, #1319 of 1678 🔗

This morning I talked to a neighbour who works in a care home; she said there had been a number of deaths there recently. It was not known whether the deaths of these elderly people had been caused by covid, the vaccine or sheer despair at being isolated and unable to see their family and friends.
In addition the ‘inmates’ had been looked after by many strangers, due to the permanent staff having to go into periods of isolation. The agency staff often came from over 60 miles away in England, were sometimes non-native English speakers and obviously did not know the residents or the routines of the home.
It must seem to many of the residents that life was simply not worth living!

399299 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jcd, 8, #1320 of 1678 🔗

Its a tragedy, just hope someone pays for this

399474 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, #1321 of 1678 🔗

Don’t be ridiculous.

399485 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1322 of 1678 🔗

This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing

399358 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to jcd, 10, #1323 of 1678 🔗

I have friends, or parents of friends. I am glad my own aren’t alive to see this – and it’s the first time ever I’ve been glad they’re gone.

399400 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 10, #1324 of 1678 🔗

I feel the same. My dad had dementia, but he recognised us to the end and literally lived for our visits. The thought of him being put into solitary confinement is dreadful, I don’t know how the relatives can bear it.

399420 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Annie, 10, #1325 of 1678 🔗

Same here. My mother died in January 2020 after 40 years of MS. She was, fortunately, cared for at home, but it would have been awful if she had survived into this new dark age, with her carers wearing masks, etc. I’m so relieved that she’s not here for this dystopia.

399617 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #1326 of 1678 🔗

same here, my dad died in 2016. he was born in 1938, on the verge of WWII, and it seems, he bowed out on the verge of WWIII

399289 l835, replying to l835, 29, #1327 of 1678 🔗

Kindly add Motor World, the car parts chain to “the list” I went to buy some fuses for my car and was told by the manager to “put a mask on or get out” Said I was exempt but he told me he didn’t care. Amazon is so much cheaper, hope Motor World goes bust, again

399304 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to l835, 2, #1328 of 1678 🔗

Bought it on themselves.

399308 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to l835, 3, #1329 of 1678 🔗

Well once it’s clientele have carked it from a cytokine storm following pathogenic priming, after vaccination, we can dance on its grave.

399353 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to l835, 3, #1330 of 1678 🔗

Good. We need to share details of companies like this. Is there a site?

399396 ▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 2, #1331 of 1678 🔗

Didn’t care he was in breach of disability discrimination law?

399483 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to l835, 1, #1332 of 1678 🔗

My son sent me this version of an Exemption Card.

399724 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to PastImperfect, #1333 of 1678 🔗

Printed it. Laminated it. Given a few away 🙂

Very grateful to whoever posted it (your good self?). It’s Kryptonite to muzzle marshalls

399295 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1334 of 1678 🔗

BBC news says that 57% of people are stopping at home.
I would say that is about right.

399326 ▶▶ Will, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1335 of 1678 🔗

Massive exaggeration, imho.

399351 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1336 of 1678 🔗

I agree – for many, apart from compliance, there’s not much to go out for.

399366 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1337 of 1678 🔗

If the hedge jumpers are going out, what kind of mess are the 57% likely to be in!?

399369 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1338 of 1678 🔗

Ahh, just realised, 57% are leaving their phones at home

399635 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, #1339 of 1678 🔗

Or 57% of people never downloaded Trap and Trace.

399424 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PoshPanic, #1340 of 1678 🔗

You said it, PP.

399392 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1341 of 1678 🔗

What, permanently? Still living on tins and packets and that shrivelled thing that’s been lurking at the bottom of the freezer cabinet for the past five years or so?

399423 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, #1342 of 1678 🔗

Hopefully, Annie.

399782 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Annie, #1343 of 1678 🔗

You’ve seen my freezer, then?

399312 bebophaircut, 3, #1344 of 1678 🔗

#StopNewNormal-SaveLives Campaign.
Piers Corbyn.

399317 Tim Bidie, 4, #1345 of 1678 🔗

The democratic system in the developed world has shown itself to be hopelessly flawed.

There is massive collusion going on between governments, concealed from their electorates…..to cover their various backsides….that is the real IT revolution………

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That is what is going on……..

‘Another bad day for science.

Three days ago, we asked the editorial board of Eurosurveillance for the status of our external peer review, which we submitted on Nov 27 last year.

Yesterday we got a reply. This is what they write:

“After careful evaluation and taking into consideration the guidance
from a group of five experts in the field, we have decided not to consider your submission for publication in Eurosurveillance.

Please note that and anonymised version of your submission was made available to the reviewers. Reviewers, however, noted that your manuscript was already in the public domain. They informed us about this and opted to name the authors for the purpose of the review to avoid ambiguity.

We are sending the reviewers’ comments below.

Please note that editors, peer reviewers and authors shall not share any documents relating to manuscripts under consideration nor to those that have been rejected or accepted.

With kind regards,

The Eurosurveillance editors”

After this introductory letter, I was hoping to find the comments of the five experts.

Normally, a paper is reviewed by at least TWO peers, usually THREE.

In our case, there was only ONE!


Local elections have always been used as a wake up call for British governments. We have those elections on 06 May

‘England confides………’ Horatio Nelson

399321 PastImperfect, 3, #1346 of 1678 🔗
399323 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 26, #1347 of 1678 🔗

Jab persuaders coming to your home..Oh I can’t fucking wait please lord let them come..

399329 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1348 of 1678 🔗

If they do come, I hope you post a full report of the visit here, for us all to enjoy,

399339 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Alice, 8, #1349 of 1678 🔗

Alice it will be my pleasure.

399505 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alice, #1350 of 1678 🔗

I’ll do what I do to any other religious zealots who come knocking. Tell them I’m CofE and close the door!

399341 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #1351 of 1678 🔗

Been reading about the invasive PCR tests, and how some medics think they’re harmful. We haven’t heard much about this, have we? Yet surely someone unqualified sticking something way up your nose (when this act is what we fear for our children and we’re told not to do as adults) is NOT a good thing?
In 11 months or more – why hasn’t someone come up with something that is a non-invasive test for something so simple (or so we’re told)? I really DO wonder….

399362 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Banjones, 7, #1352 of 1678 🔗

Yes I certainly agree with you it’s reckless behavior,I was just watching the Huggo talk’s post on screwtube, about the vaccine persuaders that to is unbelievable certainly desperation is setting in here…

399440 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to Banjones, #1353 of 1678 🔗

There are saliva tests in use just not here.

399469 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Banjones, 5, #1354 of 1678 🔗

The unpleasantness, endangering of your health and your personal denigration is the whole and sole point of the useless PCR test.

399594 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 3, #1355 of 1678 🔗

As other BTL posters have remarked previously, you have to ask yourself why they have to go invasively ‘excavating’ so deep for tell-tale virus fragments that it is claimed we may be asymptomatically shedding every time we breathe out. Presumably they are looking for people who may be asymptomatic asymptomatics!

399612 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 1, #1356 of 1678 🔗

a friend of mine who had to have one in order to get a flight had a severe sinus infection within 24 hours, which lasted for 2 weeks

399442 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #1357 of 1678 🔗

Please do let us know

399458 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1358 of 1678 🔗

Wear the mask… and film it! 😉

399470 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1359 of 1678 🔗

Not on this occasion,I want them to see what pure hate and contempt look like..

399609 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1360 of 1678 🔗

yeh, sock it to ’em, Bruce! and give ’em one from me!

399632 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1361 of 1678 🔗

Don’t suppose you can borrow a suit of armour for the visit? “You’re not jabbing me just try it – this armour’s 4 mil thick!” A mace would be a useful accessory to add to the drama.

399333 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #1362 of 1678 🔗

A roll call of just some of the post-vaccine deaths and adverse reactions, starting with the latest – three young health care professionals in Italy.


399466 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1363 of 1678 🔗

The real killer pandemic….

399467 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #1364 of 1678 🔗

This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing

399340 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1365 of 1678 🔗

Film suggestion for the weekend. Doubt there’s anyone here who hasn’t seen it, but the oldies are the best.

“Get busy living, or get busy dying”


399374 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1366 of 1678 🔗

Superb film 🤙🏻

399379 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1367 of 1678 🔗

Best ever

399628 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, #1368 of 1678 🔗

I have it on DVD somewhere I’m sure but film night tomorrow at Feargoeson Towers will be the first of the dystopian ones I have ordered recently (from the list someone (one of the Steves?) requested and collated: THX1138.)

399344 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1369 of 1678 🔗

Child Mental Health Week apparently. And the kids have not been given any homework this weekend for this reason. You couldn’t make it up.

399352 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1370 of 1678 🔗

Hmm – surely giving them homework helps their mental health? I work full time so I have a focus which helps stop me going crazy. Other close family members do not currently work and are desperately depressed.

399363 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 3, #1371 of 1678 🔗

I feel for your family and am trying to support family members in the same boat. Fortunately mostly sceptics. I’m also fortunate to work full time but feel like I’ve hit the wall this week.

399377 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1372 of 1678 🔗

I hit the wall 8 months ago Tom. I envy you!

399372 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 20, #1373 of 1678 🔗

Ignored this week’s TxT message from rNHS telling me to come for vaccine. Next, they sent me (70) A BIG SHOUTY LETTER IN HUGE FONT because I’m automatically blind and stupid. I’m going to tape it to my baseball bat and wait for the personal visit.

399378 ▶▶ Janette, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #1374 of 1678 🔗

Good for you James

399373 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1375 of 1678 🔗


That’s the 6 o’clock news summarised.

399386 ▶▶ richmond, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1376 of 1678 🔗

So lower than average for this time of year, surely?

399410 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to richmond, 4, #1377 of 1678 🔗

At least two thousand people die in the UK every day in Jan/early February.

399418 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to richmond, 7, #1378 of 1678 🔗



399621 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1379 of 1678 🔗

Clever of “them” to keep back 15 reported deaths till the Friday so the magic four figure kill can frighten the credulous all weekend.

399382 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1380 of 1678 🔗

The Guardian: UK keeping research on link between vitamin D and Covid under review.

399397 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1381 of 1678 🔗

But Handoncock said this was fake news months ago! I’m shocked!

399511 ▶▶ John001, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1382 of 1678 🔗

In the old days, if a matter was ‘under review’ it was something awkward and the civil service wanted to get rid of it.

That was in Yes Minister days. Maybe the language is still the same.

399394 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1383 of 1678 🔗

The Guardian: Is Rishi Sunak the most dangerous man in government?.

399422 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1384 of 1678 🔗

The author is Sam Bowman – executive director at the Adam Smith Institute. He appears to be part of the zerocovid cult.

399720 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, #1385 of 1678 🔗

Chunt !

399436 ▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1386 of 1678 🔗

As much as I hate to admit this, I agree with Rishi about them moving the goalposts.

399457 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 7, #1387 of 1678 🔗

Seems quite an uncontroversial observation to me.

399462 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1388 of 1678 🔗

The goalposts were and are constantly changed.
It started with the switch from ‘save the NHS’ to R under 1′ back in April.
When he/we accepted that, he/we were toast.

399553 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1389 of 1678 🔗

Could the Guardian be getting worried there will actually be an ousting of Johnson? Sunak is a favourite to replace him and would change the narrative hence trying to discredit him?

399655 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1390 of 1678 🔗

Yep. imo. same reason (possibly) for the recent attacks on Sir Desmond Swayne – it’s not like it’s the first time he’s railed against the Government, he has spoken out several times previously at some length for months, remember he threw the “Dr Strangelove” comparisons at Bozo?! Maybe serious murmurings are afoot in the corridors of Westminster… The 1922 are not without history, of sticking it to their leaders when they feel like it! 🙂

399399 TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 2, #1391 of 1678 🔗

This is seriously unbelievable.
Read the article if you can….. 🙄 spot the problem?

“Now I am really breathless. I am on steroids and antibiotics as I am asthmatic anyway“


399406 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 4, #1392 of 1678 🔗

Hmmm. I’m concentrating hard and I’m hearing voices saying something about steroids, antibiotics and asthma. Does that mean anything to anyone in the room?

399419 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1393 of 1678 🔗

I think you are on to something with that observation Jo…. 🤔 that is what I thought also.
I wouldn’t bother about reading the comments, the brainwashed sheep are all calling her an idiot etc….Nobody has pointed out the small matter of her being Asthmatic in the first place….

399447 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, 1, #1394 of 1678 🔗

Well firstly, it’s asthma. Secondly money on she’s just had her flu and tdap so she’s actually got patapetussis. She’s going to feel like shit long after her “covid infection” goes. She’ll also be more likely to give birth by C-section to a hyperactive child with adhd.

399559 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to TheOriginalAnotherSceptic, #1395 of 1678 🔗

I see that she wasn’t considered to be seriously enough ill ‘with covid’, especially given that she is pregnant, to even be admitted to hospital. Oh, sorry, I see that she refers to herself as being on a ‘virtual ward’ as she gets the occasional zoom call from a GP. Clearly someone desperate for publicity who, I would wager, has never based any of her supposed anti-lockdown views on any science.

399401 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #1396 of 1678 🔗

My brother in law (a socialist twat) and my sister in law are really happy because they have had the vaccine, should I piss on their parade and ask will they still need to wear a mask, antisocially distance, are they immune, can they infect ours, travel etc? So what was the point of the “vaccine”?

399416 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #1397 of 1678 🔗

Definetely, you have to do it subtly. I go with the “i’m surre I read somewhere it doesnt stop transmission” “there was definetely an MP on the TV that said we’d still have all the restrictions” “I think it only reduces symptoms”

It’s the subtle snidey comments that are the most effective.

399441 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1398 of 1678 🔗

Yes. Revel in it.

399448 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1399 of 1678 🔗

Absolutely Yes.

399520 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1400 of 1678 🔗

The vaccinated have to follow the rules. Do they not know this?

399604 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1401 of 1678 🔗

be kind to them – they probably won’t be with you for much longer.

399646 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1402 of 1678 🔗

Van Tam certainly said this year, writing in the Telegraph (I believe) that those vaccinated would absolutely still be required to wear masks and social distance, for a lengthy & non-specified period of time. Vallance clearly said just recently that those vaccinated in Dec onwards, it is ‘not safe’ for them to see others outside of their immediate household.

399409 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1404 of 1678 🔗

So disappointed in Mr Johnson, he said he hated BIG government, and look at him, BIGGER than any of them

399456 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1405 of 1678 🔗

If he said the sky was blue, I’d look up to check.

399478 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1406 of 1678 🔗

No need for that in Cumbria, It’s always cloudy and raining

399426 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #1407 of 1678 🔗

This was posted on LS earlier today, but I thought it worth re-posting the link as I was unable to find the article without it:


Of course, these post-vaccination deaths could be coincidence, but I can’t help but feel that under normal circumstances this would be a big story.

399451 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DJ Dod, 12, #1408 of 1678 🔗

The rule is: you get a PCR positive, you die within 28 days for any reason – from terminal cancer to a falling meteorite – and you died of covvie.
You get the snake oil, you die within 28 days, it can be for any reason whatsoever except the vaccine.
Stands to reason, dunnit?

399454 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1409 of 1678 🔗

This lady is calling for action.
Essential viewing

399495 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1410 of 1678 🔗

Indeed. For the benefit of other BTL readers here, she was inspired to record this video after she viewed Dr Vernon Coleman’s distressing video from a few days ago.

Rachel Elnaugh is an entrepreneur who featured on the investors’ panel in the first two series of the BBC’s Dragons’ Den. For that reason alone I think she could have some sort of influence over some older people who might remember her and would be prepared to regard her as someone who is astute and not the archetypical ‘anti-vaxxer’ or ‘anti-lockdowner’.

399554 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to PastImperfect, #1411 of 1678 🔗

Very impressive.

399475 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1412 of 1678 🔗

The link to the report is here. It’s very vague and one sided throughout.


The MHRA has received 107 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 34 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 2 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.

Presumably this means there have been some deaths in young, healthy people. Why else would it say ‘the majority’. How many?

399514 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1413 of 1678 🔗

The evidential double standard is blatant. Deaths with twenty-eight days of a positive test are Covid 19 deaths. Deaths shortly after receipt of a vaccine are not vaccine deaths because they might be coincidental.

399532 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1414 of 1678 🔗

And they talk about lots of deaths that would have occurred naturally after the vaccination in any case in the next 7 days, but fail to point out that there is a massive selection bias going on which invalidates that comparison. Someone who is seriously ill and potentially within 7 days of death isn’t going to get vaccinated surely. So they should be comparing with sudden on the spot natural deaths in the next 7 days such as fatal heart attacks or fatal strokes.

399428 divoc origi 19, replying to divoc origi 19, 3, #1415 of 1678 🔗

Hi all. Not new here, but never got round to posting. I have a conundrum, and seeing as all my friends and family are completely ridiculous, you all are probably the most sensible people I know. I would appreciate some unbiased opinion.

I am currently in Dubai, with my family, for work (unfortunately I’m not an influencer), but I used to live here before the “pandemic” and coming back a month ago to do some freelance for a former employer was the only way to make some money after the the last year completely destroyed all of our savings (no furlough, no self employed grants available). We were planning on returning to the UK at the end of Feb, but the announcement of the quarantine gulags has given me this dilemma:

Return to horrible High Wycombe before the hotel quarantine scheme is operational, but at least the kids can go back to school.

Or, stay in Dubai, absorb the higher living costs of being here and paying UK bills, tell the schools we will continue studying at home and hope to ride out this nonsense for another 3 months on the assumption that when we do come back, the hotel scheme will have been parked, and that borders will still be open to be able to travel back out to the Middle East if we run out of money again.


399460 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to divoc origi 19, 3, #1416 of 1678 🔗

Just my view but I would come back. My reasoning, you are going to need every penny saved you can for whenever you return to the UK as financially it is going to be bad, so do not waste the money on the high cost of living in Dubai. Secondly, the government may take longer to get their great quarantine hotels sorted you could creep in before it supposedly goes live.

Either way do what is best for you and your family.

399463 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to divoc origi 19, 1, #1417 of 1678 🔗

Personal choice – I’d stay in Dubai and ride it out. I suspect it will be more than 3 months before they lift the hotel quarantine, and if anything will probably enforce it more widely as per NZ/Aus.
Alternatively you could stay on and continue working and your partner return with the kids to uk and schooling etc – but then run the risk of unknown length of time being separated, assuming you have a partner with you there of course…

399489 ▶▶ Julian, replying to divoc origi 19, #1418 of 1678 🔗

I would go wherever life seems like it will be best in the short term, for you and your family

I suppose it partly depends on how likely it is that schools actually do open, and what they are like, and whether it is primary, secondary or both

399493 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to divoc origi 19, 1, #1419 of 1678 🔗

Just concentrate on doing what LFC pay you for, okay? Your current location in Dubai explains a lot about the impact you’re having on a match when JK sends you on. Minamino was no worse, and that’s saying something…..

399501 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to divoc origi 19, 3, #1420 of 1678 🔗

Tricky one. I would be tempted to stay in Dubai simply because of the better weather. The one thing I would definitely say is don’t separate your family – keep together because if things do get worse, you don’t want to be separated. I know somebody whose other half is basically trapped abroad and can’t get back to him.

399503 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to divoc origi 19, 8, #1421 of 1678 🔗

Maybe I’m a fool, but I continue to believe that we’re living through a period of mass delusion that cannot, because it is so grossly disconnected from reality, perdure. I can’t believe the hotel quarantine thing will last long: it’s so obviously completely mad, from every point of view other than that of the Zero Covid crazies.

399516 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alethea, 3, #1422 of 1678 🔗

Yes, I think the same. And that’s why last April I was sure it would be over by June, and then by September, and then … and here we are.

We’re talking mass hysteria here. As I’ve written here before, the closest historical analogy I’ve come across is 17th-century witch hunting. And with those examples the hysteria eventually burns itself out (although it rumbles on at a low level for a long time afterwards).

At what point does it burn itself out? I’ve read in particular about the 1682 Bideford (North Devon) and 1693 Salem (MA) witch scares. It seems to me that they only stopped once, with the scare escalating and drawing more and more victims into its vortex, the society as a collective unconsciously realised that it had to stop before they were all destroyed, almost that enough blood had been let already to atone for whatever maggots had infiltrated their minds. They couldn’t consciously accept that they’d been mistaken and what they had been doing was wrong, rather they were terrified at where they were going if the process was taken to its logical conclusion.

But I am unsure where we as a society are in that process right now.

399538 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #1423 of 1678 🔗

And in reply to divoc origi 19: I’m afraid I really don’t know. How do you pick a way through insanity?

My instinct would be to go with the high stakes option. At least if it goes wrong you can feel good about yourself afterwards.

399583 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TJN, 1, #1424 of 1678 🔗

These mass attacks of lunacy always abate. It is just taking a bit more time than expected.

399602 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Alethea, 2, #1425 of 1678 🔗

it definitely won’t last forever, that’s a certainty – but it will only end over a pile of corpses, and if you can avoid it being your corpse, or those of the people you love, then you should absolutely do that

399518 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to divoc origi 19, 2, #1426 of 1678 🔗

I’m not sure why anyone, after almost a year of this insanity, thinks the quarantine hotels are temporary. I’ve stopped saying things like, “They wouldn’t do…” or “They can’t do that as it would be a breach of our Charter rights.” They will do, they have done, they will continue to do, and we have no rights any longer. Look at Australia — they are not allowing their citizens to return at all and many have expired visas from wherever they’re now stuck. If they allow citizens to return, it’s very few at a time. I listened to the Computing Forever fellow (Dave Cullen) yesterday and the bits of Leo Varadkar press conference during which he said there won’t be international travel this summer and almost certainly not during the Christmas season this year. He even said the word indefinitely. Make of it what you will, but if you can’t see yourself spending an indefinite period of time in Dubai I’d get the heck home. I hope I’m overreacting, but with people being basically kidnapped from international flights coming into Canada, I decided to bring my daughter back early from another province because I don’t trust that they won’t pull the same forcible “quarantine” shit on Canadians traveling between provinces. Thousands of Canadians who spend winters in the US and have homes there left under one set of conditions and are now having to decide whether to wait it out and hope this forced quarantine is temporary, or pay the $2,000 per person for a forced PCR test and 3 nights in a “hotel.” Staying outside of Canada for longer than 6 months puts their health care coverage at risk so it’s not an easy decision. Let us know what you decide…

399546 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to divoc origi 19, 3, #1427 of 1678 🔗

I’d stay there. I’m ready for this hotel quarantine thing to be the biggest shambles of the past year. It’ll never last.

399598 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to divoc origi 19, 4, #1428 of 1678 🔗

nobody not currently in this shithole should ever dream of coming [back] here. if you don’t like Dubai, go somewhere else, somewhere in the third world, Tanzania seems to be run by a good bloke atm, but all that awaits you and your family here is death or the gulag.

399641 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to divoc origi 19, 1, #1429 of 1678 🔗

As long as you can continue to work there, I would stay – is my opinion.

This is a crisis of overindebted Western welfare states. Keep out of them as much as possible.

As JaneHarry mentioned, there are a few other havens outside the west.

I realize this is all very difficult with a family, but I suspect the big events are still to go down.

399429 TheHandbag, 17, #1430 of 1678 🔗

I was just pondering how many different personality types are at play in this scenario. And then thinking how for some people, encouraging others to get vaccinated, even when they know it to be likely damaging, and definitely unproven, is a desperate matter. They want others to conform to their view of the world, so badly, and whatever the cost, that they won’t think twice about over-riding another person’s autonomy through peer pressure or encouraging them to damage themselves.

I had a very seriously mentally ill friend who encouraged a friend to do something very dangerous to her own mental welfare, so that they could both drop out of university at the same time. Thankfully, the injured girl’s parents got her to start the year afresh, and she made a good recovery.

I have seen people encourage their drunk friends to go off with a very dangerous man, from who they have then been powerless to escape until years of abuse, and a couple of children later, they finally emerge to have to start all over again. And their children are suffering so much, still.

There are so many people who persist in believing that there’s a finite amount of shitty things that can happen in this world, and that to fail to act to protect another from it, or to fail to resist the temptation to ruin another’s life because you are suffering, is to somehow reduce the amount of shit you’re going to have coming to you. But it never pans out. In the initiators or by-standers in the instances I mention above, one committed suicide after she left university with no degree and no one helped her restart. The by-standing friends all suffered too as their friend’s toxic husband either bought very unpleasant men into their lives, or declared social war on them. No one benefitted. And almost all of them are alcoholics, with children with terrible mental health illnesses.

I suppose my point is that sceptics the like of which are commenting on here, quite often aren’t by-standers. They’re the unpopular ones. They’re the ones who walk home alone that night having pleaded with the friend and peer group to close ranks and protect until everyone is sober. But because protection and control a look so similar, it’s very hard to reason with anyone hell-bent on injuring themselves.

So it is right to stand together, to protect ourselves. Sometimes all you can do is not walk away, but stand up and fight for your right not to be injured.

399430 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1431 of 1678 🔗

Have they managed to chalk up Christopher Plummer (RIP) to the remorseless Rona yet?

399459 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1432 of 1678 🔗

Indeed they have.

399433 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1433 of 1678 🔗

I distinctly remember seeing this section at the bottom of the deathboard around Christmas time:

In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test. Deaths that occur after 60 days will also be added to this figure if COVID-19 appears on the death certificate. This will provide an additional measure of the impact of the disease over time.

However, it seems to have disappeared recently. Anyone shed any light on this?


399481 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, #1434 of 1678 🔗

Can’t shed light, but would draw attention to this statement, which effectively makes most of the figures useless:

“Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary.”

399507 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, #1435 of 1678 🔗

It’s there at the bottom if you scroll down, called

Deaths within 60 days of positive test
Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and either died within 60 days of the first positive test or have COVID-19 mentioned on their death certificate. Data for the period ending 5 days before the date when the website was last updated with data for the selected area, highlighted in grey, is incomplete .

399510 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, #1436 of 1678 🔗

But you have to change the area from UK to say England or a region in England for it to show up

(the data for Scotland isn’t available for example which is why you seem to have to pick England or an English region for example)

399439 wendy, replying to wendy, 6, #1437 of 1678 🔗


Above is the link to CJ Snowden’s reply to Toby. He seems very changed from the previous position of being anti lockdown. Not sure why he changed. I won’t go through it all but in his near to last paragraph he states it is the fear of the virus doing the economic damage. That is exactly what Devi Sridha has been saying.

But I didn’t see any evidence of that fear in shops, pubs and restaurants in Manchester when they were open. In fact they were packed with queues outside when it was announced they would be closed in November. If these places were open they again would be full. People cannot over come the closures forced upon them.

What are others views on Snowdon? I am finding him quite objectionable now.

399473 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to wendy, 3, #1438 of 1678 🔗

Snowdon is simply not at the races. His ‘English’ is laboured and he clearly has some kind of ‘motivated’ agenda……follow the money……..

I binned it early, at ‘casedemic argument failed’…….

Remember the Kent lorry drivers? 15560 tests, 36 positives, at the height of the ‘Kent covid’ nonsense……..


399491 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendy, 4, #1439 of 1678 🔗

Yet more doublethinkspeak. Fear is causing the economic damage. But shops can’t be open because we’re all covidiots and would flock to them causing PEOPLE TO DIE.

Which one is it?

399450 Cumbriacracked, 1, #1440 of 1678 🔗

For some unknown reason I cannot see any of my previous posts, have had wifi problems today so am hoping it is that and not anything else more sinister with anything I am saying!

I won’t repost everything but I would like to post this, I am sure it has been discussed on here many times but worth highlighting again in the light of vaccine passport mutterings, even though we are out of the EU I do not think that will matter one iota!


399453 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 13, #1441 of 1678 🔗

The many comfortably off pensioners, who are just feeling a little inconvenienced by the shitshow and expect to go back to their hedonistic luxury lifestyles soon, wont like hyper inflation when it (more than likely) kicks in. Thats when things will turn.

399479 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #1442 of 1678 🔗

As a presently comfortably-off pensioner, I agree entirely. Unfortunately for me, I can clearly hear the sound of the axes cutting down the cherry orchard.

399461 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #1443 of 1678 🔗

Just (inadvertently, awaiting House of Games) seen a trailer for a Beeb fest entitled ‘The Future’s Not Cancelled.’
What is this? The Beeb has spent the last eleven months doing its level best to cancel the future and lock everyone into a timeless hell of meaningless terror, and now they tell us there’s a future?

399468 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Annie, 7, #1444 of 1678 🔗

There is some sort of future – as long as you’ve got your vaccine passport of course.

399498 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1445 of 1678 🔗

Of course there’s a future , these people need to keep on making money, it just doesn’t include non conformity and those who prefer the “old” ways.

399573 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to A. Contrarian, #1446 of 1678 🔗

And have a multinational or civil service job or pension.
At least until the currency reset post the hyperinflation.
Thereafter, even they will be back in the poorhouse.
For a generation- see Germany 1945-1975.
Serves them well.

399482 Edward, replying to Edward, 28, #1447 of 1678 🔗

Just had a telephone call from someone canvassing for the Labour Party. My reply: “I’m totally sick of all politicians and their fucking lockdowns. And your lot are even worse than the Conservatives.”

That’ll be me put down as a “Don’t know”, then.

399580 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Edward, #1448 of 1678 🔗

Or maybe a possible Labour voter if canvassed on the doorstep…

399484 Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 24, #1449 of 1678 🔗

Just got an email from Sinead Murphy at Newcastle University thanking me for my appreciative email about her elegant, surgical demolition of the spoilt, entitled little girl Devi Sridhar. She apologised for the delay in replying, but she has had so many emails of support , etc……sent me her best wishes during what she called the current inhumanness, which I hereby pass on.

399499 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #1450 of 1678 🔗

Yes, a great article. Does she post on here? I’m guessing she might.

399486 A. Contrarian, 16, #1451 of 1678 🔗

Had to go to the pharmacy today, to collect some pills.

It has been turned into a Vaccination Centre (though calling it a centre is a bit optimistic, given that it is tiny and can only take one victim at a time). Apparently a grand total of three Vaccine Marshalls are required for its safe operation. One to direct the flocks (of one person every 15 minutes or so) to the car park. This pharmacy is in the middle of an enormous new development of “luxury” flats, so there were more residents returning home from trips out than there were people coming for the vaccine. The marshall still felt the need to stop every single one, enquire where they were going and inform them of the location of the car park… had to keep busy somehow I suppose.

The one or two people waiting (outside of course) in the queue were talking with bated breath about how amazing it all was. The other two marshalls took it in turns to chat to them or to show people in and out of the “centre” – completely unnecessary given that the jabbing room was approximately 2m from the door and was adorned with an enormous sign. This centre apparently does the Oxford Vax, Pfizer is being given up the road. Chap in the queue asked about adverse reactions, no immediate adverse reactions reported with either, apparently.

Anyone wishing to use the pharmacy for its designated purpose has to explain this to the marshalls and then stand waiting in a separate queue until it is deemed safe to enter for social distancing purposes. I had to wait at least ten minutes. Of course this pharmacy is attached to a large and spacious doctors surgery which TPTB have presumably decided is unsuitable for vaccination purposes for some arbitrary reason.

God Save the NHS.

399497 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1453 of 1678 🔗

We know why, but how can they justify muzzle wearing by May!? Surely by then, those ‘vulnerable’ will be vaccinated.

399610 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1454 of 1678 🔗

Actual cases, hospitalizations and deaths will be invisible in May (bit like they were last year.) It’s seasonable. I imagine Unite and co. will be fussing about election officials being exposed all day to high viral loads from asymptomatic voters and be pressuring for muzzles. V mask sounds good for the purpose. Not my problem this year as my local elections are not till next year (or whenever.)

399492 Cranmer, 9, #1455 of 1678 🔗

My guess is that ‘Hotel Quarantine’ is a pre-emptive strike against jabbed-up oldies going on early spring breaks disguised as family funerals etc. Plus an attempt to grease the palms of the big hotel chains.

Might not go quite as planned though. I can see the tabloids having a field day with stories about pensioners locked up 24/7 while the asylum seekers down the road are allowed out on a nod and wink, &c &c.

399494 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #1456 of 1678 🔗

Here’s an important message ,just in, from the organ grinders’ monkey
(nice colour tie, very fashionable)


Anyone still not sure what this is all about ?

399769 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1457 of 1678 🔗

“build back better” isn’t the only slogan they’re all repeating. “No-one is safe until everyone is vaccinated” now seems to be the meme en vogue.

399500 Les Tricoteuses, 13, #1458 of 1678 🔗


Video of cafe in Manchester open and busy.

399504 penelope pitstop, replying to penelope pitstop, 22, #1459 of 1678 🔗

I was shocked and saddened to hear of the passing of our fellow LS campaigner Nick Rose earlier today. I’d never met him but read his posts and he was a sensible contributor. But he was in his early 50s and presumably no slouch as he was always out and about on the protests. It’s the first person I’ve heard having died presumably of the virus (and not with the virus which hastened the process) and in a relatively short period of time. It’s supposed to target 80 somethings, not those in 50s surely…
Anyway it’s got me thinking and questioning whether I’m too complacent and arrogant of the potential threat of the virus, whether I’m too angry at the restrictions on freedoms/civil liberties and impact on society/economy etc to not see the wood from the trees. Would he still be here if taken into hospital, we will never know.
Too many questions and no answers … time for a glass or two of wine and toast his memory and contribution to this site. RIP Nick!

399506 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to penelope pitstop, 12, #1460 of 1678 🔗

This is awful news and you are right. A bit of critical reflection never hurt anyone.

RIP Nick

399536 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to penelope pitstop, 11, #1461 of 1678 🔗

RIP Nick. He was such a fighter and this makes me so very sad. Always out at protests and reporting back to us. He was definitely one of the good guys and I will raise my glass to him tonight.

399542 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to penelope pitstop, 17, #1462 of 1678 🔗

I am inclined to mark up Nick’s passing with more venom toward the “government” that is denying HQ and IVM treatments.

RIP Nick.

399545 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to penelope pitstop, 10, #1463 of 1678 🔗

I’ve been having the same thoughts today. Not really come to any conclusions I’m afraid! But regardless, I still don’t think that lockdowns, especially protracted and long drawn out lockdowns like this, are the best way to deal with this kind of threat. It doesn’t mean that I don’t think the virus is something of a threat (although no worse than many we have faced in the past without such drastic action) just that I think this way of dealing with it is wrong in so many ways.

399647 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1464 of 1678 🔗

I fear catching the virus as I have health issues but I try to keep living while trying to be as careful as I can. I go to church and see a handful of trusted people and try to have plenty of ventilation in the house. That said I’m fiercely anti lockdown. Nothing can justify locking innocent people up. I’m also furious how many people have died because the idiots in charge have done nothing to protect people by recommending things like vitamin D and stressing people and damaging their immunity by keeping people isolated and locked up. No one can control a virus but making people vulnerable by attacking their mental health is the worse way to go about it. RIP Nick Rose

399555 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #1465 of 1678 🔗

…whether I’m too angry at the restrictions on freedoms/civil liberties and impact on society/economy etc

You can’t be too angry, and the death of a committed campaigner should reinforce resolve to oppose this madness, not weaken it. This virus cannot be got rid of by lockdown. As for being taken into hospital, try this:

‘Which leaves the worrying possibility that you really cannot do much to stop the spread. In order to do so, you would almost certainly need positive-pressure bio-suits, close-fitting masks with filters and respiratory cartridges, the full enchilada.’

By Malcolm Kendrick , doctor and author who works as a GP in the National Health Service in England.

399556 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #1466 of 1678 🔗

‘presumably of the virus’


399595 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to rockoman, 5, #1467 of 1678 🔗

In his last post, he said he had developed an irritating cough. Here’s Gill’s report of what happened:

Some of you may be aware that one of our btl regulars, Nick Rose, started to experience symptoms of COVID last week and subsequently tested positive. I was in regular contact with him and became concerned about his breathing. I encouraged him to phone NHS 111 and 999 but they were worse than useless and did nothing. I lost contact with him on Monday but had his parents’ number. They were also concerned and sent his brother and sister-in-law (a nurse) round to check on him. They found him collapsed and unresponsive and called an ambulance. Unfortunately it was too late and he died.

Sounds like the National Covid-only Service doesn’t actually treat covid. Loss of a great guy!

399605 ▶▶▶▶ Gill, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1468 of 1678 🔗

Yes, and this is why I am now moving from numbness to anger. His dad told me that as well as 111 and 999 Nick also tried to contact his GP. He kept being passed from pillar to post but no o