2021-02-07

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401092 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 8, #1 of 1550 🔗

Hello

401603 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Niborxof, 5, #2 of 1550 🔗

VIDEO Italian MP Sara Cunial Speech On Bill Gates Insider Paper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6KlEmnQxY&t=0s

402749 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #3 of 1550 🔗

Wow. Amazing speech

401093 danny, replying to danny, #4 of 1550 🔗

Woohoo. Silver medal. Comments are usually much earlier than this!

402208 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to danny, #5 of 1550 🔗

That’s Sunday morning for you. People will still drink whatever happens with the pubs…

401095 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 119, #6 of 1550 🔗

Today the Telegraph is reporting that they are looking at vaccinating at the workplace. Have we now entered the shower blocks are awaiting the zyklon b moment. Time to resist and get these bastards on trial.

401185 ▶▶ Janette, replying to nickbowes, 10, #7 of 1550 🔗

Hear hear

401249 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to nickbowes, 70, #8 of 1550 🔗

This appears to be part of a strategy to make it as easy as possible to take the vaccine and as hard as possible not to take it, without mandating it (which I understand is against the Nuremberg code and even the most compliant of government followers would surely start to question the human right issues involved?). The online date checker https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk uses an uptake figure of 70.6%. Although it doesn’t say how this figure is estimated, it probably is reasonably accurate and I’m guessing way too low for the Government liking. Also, I did a yougov chat the other day. After each question it tells you the percentage for each answer eg. When would you open all restaurants bars? Now: 11% next couple weeks: 10% … and so on (I didn’t really pay any attention after these two replies) but on the vaccine question with the possible response “ I haven’t received it and I won’t” it gave no breakdown of responses. This is really strange because every other question has ALWAYS given this breakdown. I can only assume it is much lower than we are lead to believe or trending downwards. I must admit I have moved from a “don’t know” to a definite “won’t receive” at least for a couple of years! All of this pressure to take the vaccine, the moving goalposts relating to number of people needing to take it before restrictions are lifted, the number of vaccines you’re going to have to take etc. They all point to an ulterior endgame. I have always been worried about the long term effects of these vaccines but the Government’s position is now equally troubling.

401277 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Van Allen, 53, #9 of 1550 🔗

I’m a conspiracy theory sceptic. I tend to think that there is now an ulterior endgame which is maximising the already astronomical profits of the pharmaceutical and medical supply industries. They obviously have the most efficient lobbying machine worldwide and probably can’t believe their own success. What are the politicians getting out of it? Power. Politicians have used draconian measures to enforce vaccination all over the world – It was compulsory to be vaccinated against smallpox from 1853 until 1907 after decades of resistance. I fear we have seen the end of the golden age of individual liberty. Thanks, Boris.

401328 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to cubby, 24, #10 of 1550 🔗

Posted before, but worth repeating:

https://healthcare-in-europe.com/en/news/european-parliament-to-investigate-who-pandemic-scandal.html

“European Parliament to Investigate WHO and “Pandemic” Scandal

The Council of Europe member states will launch an inquiry in January 2010 on the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on the global swine flu campaign, focusing especially on extent of the pharma’s industry’s influence on WHO. The Health Committee of the EU Parliament has unanimously passed a resolution calling for the inquiry.

The step is a long-overdue move to public transparency of a “Golden Triangle” of drug corruption between WHO, the pharma industry and academic scientists that has permanently damaged the lives of millions and even caused death.

The text of the resolution just passed by a sufficient number in the Council of Europe Parliament says among other things, “In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards to alarm governments worldwide and make them squander tight health resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly expose millions of healthy people to the risk of an unknown amount of side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.

The “bird-flu”-campaign (2005/06) combined with the “swine-flu”-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health-budgets, but to the credibility and accountability of important international health-agencies.” “

401456 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, 9, #11 of 1550 🔗

The Report (written by Paul Flynn) is worth reading as showing up many of the same features as the Covid scam.

Note – as far as I’m aware, no MSM source has picked up on the clear parallels from 2000 – a really basic piece of background for real journalism.

(The Council of Europe is not an EU body, BTW)

401866 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to RickH, 2, #12 of 1550 🔗

The short article linked makes for stunning reading. I know Wodarg is still very active but what of Engdahl, the author?
And do you have a link to the report by Paul Flynn?

402083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to cubby, 1, #13 of 1550 🔗

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/
Engdahl has written extensively on a lot of the geopolitical background to a lot of what is going on though I don’t know that he brought his acumen to the Medical fraud like he has to Big Ag through to GM etc.
His email reports are worth signing for.

402014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to LMS2, 11, #14 of 1550 🔗

Those earlier 21st Century pandemic hoaxes were dummy runs for the present massive Corona virus scam. This time the globalists and their cohorts in government are in it too deep to back off, so they will push their depopulation project to the bitter end. For most of us this will mean an early death, brought about at the point of a needle.

402147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, 6, #15 of 1550 🔗

Every drill served to bring lockstepping into gear.
Then when it went ‘live’ the rulebook was switched to a power coup – ‘lockdown and shutdown of global economy.
This is not in the science, but is in Rockefeller preparations back about a decade ago.

402158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Binra, 4, #16 of 1550 🔗

Indeed it was. They feel obliged to warn us and in their twisted minds that somehow makes us complicit in our own demise.

402310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Rowan, 2, #17 of 1550 🔗

Hmm, I wonder if this is in part some sort of a fightback by the global depopulation people after the little man voted for first “Brexit” and then Trump in 2016?

Whatever else you can say about these events, I think we can be reasonably sure that they were not part of the script for globalist depopulators. Maybe they will aim to take no chances in future?

402572 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to LMS2, #18 of 1550 🔗

The key phrase there is ‘ academic scientists’.

Them as can, do. Them as can’t, teach.

401378 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to cubby, 43, #19 of 1550 🔗

I agree – I’m going to wait a couple of years at least to see what the fallout of this vaxx is. After the 2nd dose rollout there could be more severe adverse reactions that the gov can’t cover up so easily (maybe why the delayed it??).
There is something about the huge propaganda campaign that my gut instincts tell me there is something not right, and I think there is an unfolding story that needs to be exposed.

401474 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to penelope pitstop, 28, #20 of 1550 🔗

My friend and her husband were at my house on Friday evening for supper. He’s a fit, still working 72, and he’d had his jab that afternoon. About 9pm, felt cold, rapidly became very shivery, faint and unwell. Was taken home half an hour later and has felt awful ever since, just beginning to improve now. If he’d been 90 and frail, that might have been different.
Nobody advised him that the AZ vaccine isn’t being given to his age group in many countries, or that people who have had covid might get a more severe reaction. He had covid, felt rough for a week with symptoms and a positive test, in early January.
I can foresee problems if AZ continues to be given to the elderly and frail, but nobody is “modelling” that.

401510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJS123, 21, #21 of 1550 🔗

The problems with these flawed vaccines are very serious and won’t go away. That anyone, is contemplating taking any of these toxic concoctions, is good evidence that brainwashing works.

There have been no medium term or long term trials and there is no evidence of their efficacy in preventing Covid-19, whatever that is, or of the vaccines preventing its transmission.

https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdotal-experiences-cvv/

401520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TJS123, 29, #22 of 1550 🔗

If he’d been 90 and frail, that might have been different.”

. .. or not even that.

Some here have been suckered into thinking that it’s a good idea to vaccinate the vulnerable for ‘protection’. My analysis (as one of the ‘vulnerable’) is exactly the opposite. There is no way that I am going to take part in a trial of vaccines that have skipped important prior parts of the normal testing regime.

401928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 8, #23 of 1550 🔗

Your analysis is on the right track, but we all need to remember remember that the vaccines are only doing what they are supposed to do when they kill the vulnerable. The mass killing is happening right now, though you would never know it, listening to the government and the complicit media.

https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdotal-experiences-cvv/

401575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ pingram, replying to TJS123, 15, #24 of 1550 🔗

Question: has there ever been a vaccination roll-out that includes people who have already acquired natural immunity? The personal risk calculation if you have had covid is literally a no-brainer – almost 100% certainty you are immune against whatever lower figure the vaccine promises + any adverse effects. Yet WHO now says achieving herd immunity in the general population by natural means is ‘unethical’.

402216 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to TJS123, 4, #25 of 1550 🔗

“If he’d been 90” – or indeed 100 for that matter.

Did we ever find out about Captain Tom Moore, or is it one of those things that will never be proved decisively one way or the other? Quite worrying if information relating to it is being deleted anyway.

402061 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to penelope pitstop, 9, #26 of 1550 🔗

My gut instinct has been telling me since last March something not quite right about this.

402603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to penelope pitstop, #27 of 1550 🔗

My thoughts exactly Penelope

401479 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to cubby, 15, #28 of 1550 🔗

The end game is depopulation If very fat cats get even fatter on the way, then that’s just a bonus.

401278 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Van Allen, 23, #29 of 1550 🔗

Spot on. There is a question of trust in this. And you could write a book on the false promises during Covid coming from these people, and the vaccine roll out is pure propaganda.

401298 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Van Allen, 35, #30 of 1550 🔗

Zip through the old bbc listening +80’s with the jab most of whom have not really given consent and think stupidly this will free them and allow visitors. Now you hit us mob. The bbc is a pile of shite and I don’t get my news from msm. Now you are in trouble, you ain’t injecting that shit in me. Come back this time next year after I see what has happened to the people you have injected with your experimental vaccine then perhaps we can chat. But probably not!

401404 ▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Spikedee1, 18, #31 of 1550 🔗

Totally with you and other comments above. I’m not having that shit injected into me either.

401529 ▶▶▶ pingram, replying to Van Allen, 10, #32 of 1550 🔗

Yes, I noticed that too! You get instant feedback on every question except that, and I also assumed it was because the answers were not to their liking or they didn’t want to risk having real-time feedback on it! Interestingly the 38 degrees promotion campaign for mass vaccination also seems to have stalled somewhat. You have to ask why a campaigning organisation chose to campaign to support government policy in the first place, but at least I know now never to donate to them.

I can’t remember who I got the ukgov tip from, but I do recommend everyone to join up at http://www.yougov.chat – yes the questions are rigged and it is a drop in the ocean, but you can see how goverment is thinking and very occasionally you are allowed to cut loose with a rant. Which is quite therapeutic.

401649 ▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Van Allen, 15, #33 of 1550 🔗

Why did all the reports of Captain Tom being one of several ‘celebrity’ recipients of the vaccine strangely disappear? The report in the Daily Mail, and on Sky among others, suddenly reappeared without his name.

402065 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to lorrinet, 4, #34 of 1550 🔗

I think the reason it disappeared is quite evident really.

401992 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Van Allen, 4, #35 of 1550 🔗

The end game is massive depopulation. The Georgia Guidestones are now springing into life.

402120 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Rowan, 2, #36 of 1550 🔗

Part of which is selling the fear of such as the voodoo or ‘nocebo’ effect of our own self-destruction.
Discerning what MY choices are and living them, is MY responsibility and freedom to live the experience of.
The mind control agenda hijacks the unwatched mind with fear and guilt – to offer solutions and cover stories by which to hide in their racket or agenda.
The study of the manipulation of the mind and its weaponising to social engineering and now bio-tech – is deceit and coercion.
It is said that you cannot cheat an honest man.
If fear is profiled and targeted as a means to hack our mind, it is already active within the mind of the ‘target’ but often ‘subconscious’.
Bringing our fears to conscious awareness is a way of closing ‘back doors’ through which to be taken for a ride.
What is my ‘endgame’?
I don’t think like that but what is my active purpose in life?
To be driven and compelled by masked over fears of which I have no real awareness and therefore no freedom of responsibility?
Nope!
😉

402137 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Van Allen, 2, #37 of 1550 🔗

Apart from degrading health to further dependency on drugs, and the eugenic appetite for culling ‘inessentials’. The open agenda is to establish a biosecurity state (global Inc) as part of underpinning a ‘new industrial revolution’ (sic).
This will operate hand in hand with Carbon guilt units, and equity solutions balancing past or ‘systemic’ hate to equalise anyone whose daisy grows taller than system parameters dictate as vengeance masked as fair.

That there are many opportunistic threads or narrative beliefs to the bandwagon, I also see a hatred of life that delivers the living to its own destruction. And I do not see any qualifications in the WEF and pals for holding and maintaining the conditions for living – regardless the mask of virtue signalling PR.

The resort to AI system modelling is not governance, but the outsourcing of innate intelligence to an alien will. I don’t need to posit alien species here but the externalising of creative freedom to ideals, idols and system models. I don’t mean creative as anything here BUT freedom. The perspective we appreciate and extend is the result of the meanings we each and together accept and extend to each other and our world. NOT the other way round.

401322 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 4, #38 of 1550 🔗

That’s a great idea.

What do they do when someone has a severe allergic reaction??

401481 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to LMS2, 3, #39 of 1550 🔗

You’d like to think there’d be adrenaline, oxygen, a defib and an anaesthetist with a crash trolley on hand to deal with it!

401952 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJS123, 4, #40 of 1550 🔗

I would like people not to bother with them in the first place, but stupid is as stupid does. Asking for decent medical facilities at the scene of the vaccination crime is akin to rearranging deckchairs on the sinking Titanic.

401507 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to LMS2, 7, #41 of 1550 🔗

They sometimes die before anyone can do anything about it; that nurse who collapsed on camera did subsequently die within an hour or so. The locals did their best to follow up what happened to her and the local media carried her obituary.

Her case is clearly an unusually-severe reaction to the adjuvants in the vaccine rather than the mRNA component, but if that happens to you, then good luck getting it out of your arm before it kills you.

401397 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to nickbowes, 20, #42 of 1550 🔗

The evidence that all is not well with the vaccine is staring in the face of any investigative jourmalist.
The ONS statistics show that, whereas care home/hospice deaths this winter without Covid are running at a steady figure of 2,400/week, the ‘with Covid’ deaths have accelerated from around 600/week in December to 1,000/1,300/1,900 in the first three weeks of January, when these residents were receiving vaccines.
I know those on this site are aware, but I tried posting this below Janet Daly’s DT article referenced ATL, and it seemed to displease the censors, as my comment didn’t appear.

401563 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BTLnewbie, 6, #43 of 1550 🔗

Look at the US VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) for the US situation. I looked a few days ago and there were 1234 severe adverse reactions (anaphylaxis, …, death) reported. I have just checked and it is now 1791. 75% of them are in the age band where SARS-CoV-19 is not a serious problem.

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

Select covid in ‘vaccine information’ and ‘severe’ in ‘event characteristics’. Specific adverse events can be selected in section 2.

Israel, with the highest reported vaccination rates is still seeing rising cases.

Translate: http://www.maariv.co.il/corona/corona-israel/Article-818246

401845 ▶▶▶ jcd, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #44 of 1550 🔗

I posted a similar comment, with reference to a local care home, on Con Woman but no one there was at all interested in the increased deaths after vaccination. Strange.

401943 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #45 of 1550 🔗

They ARE killing them on purpose

401980 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #46 of 1550 🔗

Yes, it is quite clear that the deaths are wholly intentional.

The Covid event has always been about vaccines and the vaccines have always been about depopulation. The genocide is happening right now and the vaccinated who don’t die quickly will be the unlucky ones, as they will face a slow painful death over the next year or so.

https://prezi.com/i/gw4zv2c_cwrb/anecdotal-experiences-cvv/

402322 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, 2, #47 of 1550 🔗

Constitutes a crime against humanity surely, if you can nail them on it. Or will the evidence disappear into Room 101?

402634 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Hugh, #48 of 1550 🔗

Right along with the election fraud. No court will take it. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

402122 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #49 of 1550 🔗

It seems not to be going well in Israel, probably the most heavily vaccinated land.

401446 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 15, #50 of 1550 🔗

Time to resist and get these bastards on trial.”

What? With the level of continuing support for lock-ups? And the sort of defensive tone that we see now in the presentation of this site’s items that I’ve mentioned?

Pigs flying, I fear. There’s massive ground work to be done – even after almost a year of this delusional shit-show!

Sorry to be less than celebratory – but let’s keep real.

401848 ▶▶▶ jcd, replying to RickH, 3, #51 of 1550 🔗

I agree about the defensive tone!

402178 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jcd, 2, #52 of 1550 🔗

Although you and RickH seem to think differently, it is actually well past time for the bastards to go on trial. What the zombified lockdownistas think about things is not the point.

401565 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to nickbowes, 17, #53 of 1550 🔗

I was censored on here the other day for making a reference to the Holocaust so I’m glad for the sake of free speech that the same fate has not befallen you. My point was that the racial theory of the Nazis was “the science” of its day, and people blindly obeying “the rules” set by that science led to genocide – therefore, it might be good if people applied good moral common sense to what is being proposed by “the science” today.

However, I have to say that I find it difficult to find any moral or intellectual value in comparing the vaccination programme with the gas chambers. I disagree with you but will defend to the death your right to say what you think.

401950 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #54 of 1550 🔗

Same depopulation same result. Probably same globalist filth doing it too

402089 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #55 of 1550 🔗

I agree with you that the Nazis were using “the science” to justify their crimes against humanity which is why we should all be very wary of any government touting “the” science when true science is a process. I also don’t compare the vaccination programme with the gas chambers because the people are begging for the former whereas the victims of the gas chambers were not there of their own free will and begging for the gas treatment.

402184 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #56 of 1550 🔗

so discouraging that almost everyone i know is all for getting a vaccine, masks lockdown .

402183 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #57 of 1550 🔗

However, I have to say that I find it difficult to find any moral or intellectual value in comparing the vaccination programme with the gas chambers.

I wouldn’t have thought it was over difficult. The vaccines are already causing people to drop like flies.

402328 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #58 of 1550 🔗

Too right it was the “science” of the day. Quite startling some of the “science” in early twentieth century encyclopaedias. And today as then, many will never even consider that the “science” could be flawed.

401096 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 55, #59 of 1550 🔗

The Matt Ridley article in The Spectator is interesting. My partner and I were discussing this notion a few days ago as to whether the lockdowns had caused natural selection to favour possibly more virulent strains to emerge. we were wondering if anyone was studying this possibility.

401099 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Alex B, 66, #60 of 1550 🔗

It seems pretty obvious to me, like the idea that sloshing hand gunk around will encourage superbugs, or the idea that billions of discarded face nappies are bad for the environment. Both of these have been worrying me for months, as I nauseatedly pick up nappies (using dog poo bags) and dump them in bins. But if the Gods of Sage are not worried about such trifles, who am I to argue?

401151 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 47, #61 of 1550 🔗

A friend sent me a photo of a petri dish on which cultures had been grown from swabs taken from a face mask that had been worn for just 20 minutes. It was disgusting and should put any right-thinking person off wearing the damn things.

I was going to post on here, but wasn’t sure of the source and I didn’t want to put fellow LS off their breakfasts!

401180 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 11, #62 of 1550 🔗

I’ve had my brekker, so go ahead.

401188 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 30, #63 of 1550 🔗

Are you sure, it’s really disgusting … here goes:

401193 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 14, #64 of 1550 🔗

Reminds me of the seafood starter I had when I last went out for a meal

401288 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 13, #65 of 1550 🔗

Good grief!! If that was only 20 minutes I shudder to think what it will be like for say an hour.

That said I remember a German children’s charity doing a test on masks worn by children for 8 hours and the results were even more disgusting than that!

401343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #66 of 1550 🔗

And people are wearing the same ones again and again.

401521 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to fiery, 6, #67 of 1550 🔗

I take my wife’s “face-coverings” off her and bung them into the washing machine on a regular basis, as she started coughing through the day. She went for a lateral-flow COVID test which was negative, so it wasn’t that.

401359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 23, #68 of 1550 🔗

If a person was cooking food, professionally, I remember WAAAAAAyyyy back when I did training to flip burgers, if you go for a smoke, wash your hands before coming back to work, don’t touch your face/mouth/nose when you are working. This to to prevent possibly causing food poisoning. Fair enough, now in FN hell, food workers are forced to wear em all day, ALL DAY! They are wearing the cloth FN they had in their pocket/locker/under the counter/etc ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

THEN…..wait for it……THEY TOUCH AND ADJUST AND FIDDLE WITH AND REMOVE AND REPLACE AND STROKE AND FONDLE THEIR BELOVED FN THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WHILE DOING YOUR FOOD!.

Mummmmmmmmm

Mental.

401370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 12, #69 of 1550 🔗

Not here they don’t! But everywhere else yes, it’s disgusting.

401410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Two-Six, 13, #70 of 1550 🔗

Yes, and then you have all the delivery drivers pull masks up around their faces, handle your delivery to your door, mask off, back in/on vehicle and on to the next. Repeat gawd knows how many times over many hours sometimes.

Same with all the muzzled in shops “adjusting” them, then picking up stuff from the shelves to look at it, and putting back again.

Utterly disgusting.

401960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Two-Six, 2, #71 of 1550 🔗

All while wearing gloves that „keep everyone safe“. Adjust mask, fiddle with glasses, pull up your pants, scratch forehead, diddle on your phone (which also went to the bathroom with you)….BUT GLOVES KEEP US SAFE. And so do masks. 🤦‍♀️

401517 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kh1485, 10, #72 of 1550 🔗

Thanks. Have just sent it to my lockdown supporting, mask wearing Dad. Hope he enjoys it!

401340 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Annie, 7, #73 of 1550 🔗

Why not post to. your MP particularly if they support lockdown. I feel absolutely enraged when I see the disgusting things being discarded. Just wish I could catch someone in the act of doing it.

401105 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Alex B, 21, #74 of 1550 🔗

Knut Wittkowski also believes that the lockdowns have enabled various mutations to develop: https://www.bitchute.com/video/1XomAFJEbMbZ/

It’s only speculation on his part as well, though.

401580 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to SallyM, 9, #75 of 1550 🔗

The virus is a rapidly mutating RNA virus, just like its cousin, the common cold coronavirus (still waiting for the vaccine for that). There were ~78,000 variations worldwide in early 2020, with at least 300 in the UK. With that number of variations, it is inevitable that a more than average number of people will die of/with any one particular variant on a given day – hey presto, deadly mutation! Rinse and repeat ad infinitum courtesy of vaccine-promoters aka most of SAGE.

401108 ▶▶ Will, replying to Alex B, 15, #76 of 1550 🔗

Dr Lee wrote an article back in May suggesting such a possibility. Quite how it would be possible to study or prove this theory is well above my pay grade.

401154 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Alex B, 27, #77 of 1550 🔗

If you deny a virus a host it will look for other ways to transmit ie mutate. So yes locking people up, using copious quantities of disinfectant and hand gels could indeed persuade little Coroni to become a big Coroni and make up for lost time!!

401309 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thomasina, 16, #78 of 1550 🔗

Yes it was a mild virus that we have turned into something worse. Wouldn’t that be rich that your untried new lockdown measures created the problem. Oh the irony!!

401464 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #79 of 1550 🔗

You’re doing the goverment’s job!

401585 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #80 of 1550 🔗

The crude case fatality rate was 20% in April 2020. It had dropped to 2% in September, and is now at a level where they are merging it with flu/influenza deahs to get scary figures. Natural selection favours survival of both host and pathogen. Your body is infected with countless bacteria all co-existing with the host, your body.

401365 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Thomasina, 13, #81 of 1550 🔗

This is from “The rules of contagion” by Adam Kucharski, my added emphasis:
”The pathogens behind diseases like flu and malaria are actually made up of multiple strains, which continuously compete for susceptible humans. Why doesn’t one strain end up dominating everywhere? Our social behaviour probably has something to do with it. If people gather into distinct tight-knit cliques, it can allow a wider range of strains to linger in a population. In essence, each strain can find its own home territory, without having to constantly compete with others”
To me this suggests that by limiting multiple interactions between people through the lockdown the number of individual strains has increased significantly, so instead of a few strains existing across the population we have high numbers of different strains.

401263 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alex B, 19, #82 of 1550 🔗

It was obvious before lockdown that would be the consequence. It was being discussed then. This was predictable and predicted.

401281 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Alex B, 1, #83 of 1550 🔗

Mutations kill they don’t add value. Genomes are software. No software does not randomly add value and ‘natural selection’ is jargon. The variants will lose functionality and thus avoid the vaxx. This is what happens with the normal flu. This is why the normal flu vaxx is so ineffective.

401360 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Alex B, 1, #84 of 1550 🔗

More virulent, but less deadly.

401589 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to LMS2, #85 of 1550 🔗

Aka the common cold or flu.

401461 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Alex B, 9, #86 of 1550 🔗

There is no evidence of new strains being more virulent. That’s just part of the Panic narrative.

In general terms, developing virus strains become less virulent – it’s evolutionary sense.

401097 Annie, replying to Annie, 15, #87 of 1550 🔗

Weird experience this morning. LDS came up with a piece by Tony refuting some of Snowdon’s drivel. Nothing else at all. No comments.
Then the whole thing vanished and yesterday’s LDS reappeared.
For a long, long hour I felt cut off from the Community that keeps me sane. Horrors!
Did I dream all this?

401098 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Annie, 2, #88 of 1550 🔗

No you didn’t dream it

401100 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 6, #89 of 1550 🔗

Phew! So I’m no barmier this morning than usual. That’s a relief.

It was a good refutation.

401121 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 3, #90 of 1550 🔗

Nope – you didn’t imagine it. I was surprised to find I got a “place of honour” – as 2nd person to make a comment this morning and my comment has vanished too.

401384 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Annie, 2, #91 of 1550 🔗

i think yesterday admin said they are making changes on the servers – so they may be some ‘odd’ moments as things are transferred or whatever. Nothing to worry about.

401101 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #92 of 1550 🔗
401102 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 30, #93 of 1550 🔗

The vile cow.

But the article strongly suggests that resentment is simmering in the gulag. Let’s hope it soon comes to a fine, rolling boil.

Not allowed to travel to exercise. Yeah. As if.

401126 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cecil B, 24, #94 of 1550 🔗

As first comment got lost – along with first of today’s newsletters. Reprise time – and the Covidians (who deem MoneySavingExpert forum as one of their natural habitats) are currently getting their knickers in a collective twist on a thread there. Said thread being a person saying how they are staying in a holiday home currently (but THEY are entitled – because their home is being renovated) and wondering whether they dare snitch on those staying in the other holiday homes. They are clearly exploding a gasket in frustration – as they’d obviously love to feel free to snitch without consequence. Others on the thread are advising them to snitch regardless and not take account of any instant karma they might get coming back at them. My personal take on snitching – I thought it was a darn good opportunity to set things off on the right foot with some new neighbours of mine by making it plain I don’t do snitching.

401275 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to ElizaP, 2, #95 of 1550 🔗

But they were all having their homes renovated.

401355 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to ElizaP, #96 of 1550 🔗

The Russell conjugation at work.

401805 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to ElizaP, 2, #97 of 1550 🔗

Many years ago, Jeremy Clarkson characterised people with that mentality as “The kind of people who have a subscription to “Which?” He was spot-on. Tight-arsed. Crabby. Joyless. Self-righteous.

401136 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 40, #98 of 1550 🔗

Since we are forced to pay for the BBC it should be the law that there are unfettered comments below each piss poor article these motherfuckers print. They shouldn’t be allowed to censor the public. We’d maybe see a change of thinking if these lying tossers saw just how the people think about the woke pish they pump out like semen into the arse of society

401177 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 13, #99 of 1550 🔗

The Beeb are evidently finding that whenever they allow comments, they get sceptical ones. So no comments allowed.

401198 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 11, #100 of 1550 🔗

The BBC is dying.

401366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 10, #101 of 1550 🔗

Not FAST enough. We need to KILL IT MORE, harder KILLERATION for the BBC

401512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Two-Six, 1, #102 of 1550 🔗

Give it enough Rope. It will take it.

402268 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Biker, 1, #103 of 1550 🔗

I’ve stopped funding the BBC now. Have cancelled my tv licence.

401798 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, 2, #104 of 1550 🔗

Teacher. Anybody surprised?

401107 ▶▶ danny, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #106 of 1550 🔗

Next up. The great compulsory Lemsip rollout.

401279 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to danny, 4, #107 of 1550 🔗

That’s the “vaccines”.

401118 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, 30, #108 of 1550 🔗

More likely it’s a cold. People who actually have flu are too ill to see a doctor – they stay in bed. A runny nose? It’s just a cold.

401144 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to this is my username, 11, #109 of 1550 🔗

And many colds are caused by a coronavirus….

401161 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Winston Smith, 10, #110 of 1550 🔗

Colds ARE coronaviruses.

401206 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Thomasina, 12, #111 of 1550 🔗

Some are, some are rhinoviruses

401227 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to mattghg, 11, #112 of 1550 🔗

Some are adenoviruses. Or RSV.
some are mysterious unknown viruses…

401312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to sophie123, 10, #113 of 1550 🔗

This is a long read but a VERY clear breakdown of all viruses known to cause upper respiratory tract infections (as they used to be called before they were renamed “COVID”) and why they are so vaccine resistant. If this doesn’t prove to ANYONE that this whole “virus” has been co-opted to push an agenda, they are simply brainwashed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292575/

401262 ▶▶ jos, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #114 of 1550 🔗

Or a cold?

401104 this is my username, 18, #115 of 1550 🔗

I just commented on this DM article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232723/Scientists-NHS-chiefs-say-Covid-infections-drop-1-000-day-lockdown-lifted.html

“German government wanted repressive measures. I quote: “The Federal Ministry of the Interior engaged scientists from several research institutes and universities for political purposes in the first wave of the corona pandemic in March 2020. It commissioned the researchers from the Robert Koch Institute and other institutions to create a calculation model, on the basis of which the Ministry of the Interior Horst Seehofer (CSU) wanted to justify tough corona measures.

This emerges from more than 200 pages of internal correspondence between the management level of the Ministry of the Interior and the researchers, which WELT AM SONNTAG has received.” […[ “In an exchange of e-mails, the State Secretary in the Ministry of the Interior, Markus Kerber, asks the researchers who have been contacted to develop a model on the basis of which “preventive and repressive measures” can be planned.”

Did Johnson do the same?”

Comments are moderated. I wonder why?!

401106 danny, replying to danny, 72, #116 of 1550 🔗

Well Mr Smith, it looks like your broken leg has healed nicely.
So I can take the cast off now? It’s been driving me mad you know.
Well no. I’m afraid that we just don’t know whether you might break your leg again one day, so you’re gonna have to keep it on a while longer.
Oh no. How much longer?
Another year or two should do it. Can’t be too careful.

401173 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 50, #117 of 1550 🔗

Besides, if you go out without a cast on your leg you’ll be responsible for everyone you meet breaking their legs as well.

401598 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to danny, 17, #118 of 1550 🔗

Ironically, keeping the cast on too long will lead to adverse events such as muscle wastage, and reduced bone density. The latter will induce pathological fractures when/if the cast is finally removed. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, to the delight of Prof Feargoeson and His Mad Modellers. Their first big hit is called ‘Fixing the world to our model’.

If you go Howard Hughes, it is a one-way street. Never go full Howard Hughes.

401109 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 71, #119 of 1550 🔗

The comments in today’s newsletter about how long before we ‘get back to normal’ indicate to me that humankind has become much too arrogant, presumptuous and generally full of itself in it’s relationship with the natural world. Many seem to think we know everything about this virus and can tell what it is going to do, how it is going to do it and can control it by our clever human actions.
To my mind history teaches us that viruses do not hang around for 7 years, where do they go? why do they go? we do not know, we must be humble and learn to live with this virus until it decides to go. I must admit I thought it would have gone by now but it has proved quite persistent but I still say that at some stage we will be saying ‘whatever happened to SARS-Cov2? We are not in control of nature or viruses, in my area of agriculture and horticulture, look what happened when we tried to exert total control with drugs and chemicals, we are now having to relearn how to work with nature.

“You can’t stop the waves, but you can learn to surf.”
Jon Kabat-Zinn

401116 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Martindale, 82, #120 of 1550 🔗

The virus will be with us for as long as the powers that be continue to use the fraudulent PCR test and the media continue to misrepresent statistics.

401216 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #121 of 1550 🔗

The virus will be with us for as long as the powers that be continue to use the fraudulent PCR test and the media continue to misrepresent statistics.

I will use that elsewhere – if you don’t mind.

401268 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to PastImperfect, #122 of 1550 🔗

Feel free!

401607 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #123 of 1550 🔗

Don’t confuse the pathogen with the political response to it. The virus doesn’t care one whit about man’s puny attempts to stop the waves. Lockdowns, masking, inappropriate testing, etc are all political devices intended to achieve a desired political outcome.

402217 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #124 of 1550 🔗

It is rumoured that the Covid virus is now totally fed up of the endless charade and it wishes to revert to its original persona, which of course is influenza. However, the real question is, will the globalists and their government lackeys ever allow it to do so. Seems unlikely.

401124 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #125 of 1550 🔗

They don’t even know how it transmits fully, in terms of what proportion is person to person and how much is indoor airborne.

401137 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to nottingham69, 20, #126 of 1550 🔗

Or even how much of it can be transmitted outdoors. After all, logically, given that viruses make their way around the world on the winds.

For example Dutch Elm Disease wasn’t spread by those pesky Dutch Elms coming over here and breathing all over our ancient elms.

401139 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Puddleglum, 12, #127 of 1550 🔗

I take that back. Dutch Elm Disease is a fungus spread by beetles and those pesky beetles have even made it to New Zealand.

Nothing to see here. Moving swiftly on…

401376 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #128 of 1550 🔗

Covids are beetles aren’t they?

401766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Two-Six, 3, #129 of 1550 🔗

No -crows.

401168 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #130 of 1550 🔗

If our local would-be surfing bellyfloppers are any guide, learning to surf is very difficult.

401458 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #131 of 1550 🔗

H1N1 swine flu is still around, it is a subtype of influenza A, for which people can be vaccinated. Because I had this flu in 2009, from the start of this nonsense I drew parallels. Now there is an article saying it killed 15 times more people than originally estimated and urging people, because it is “highly contagious” (I don’t think so, despite living in a “hotspot” I, and my grandmother who died, are the only people I know who had it) to MAKE SURE THEY GET THE FLU VACCINE.

402023 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Jo, 3, #132 of 1550 🔗

I had an H1N1 flu in 1987. (after getting a flu shot for whatever was expected to circulate, which of course wasn’t the one I got). 2007 I got another strain that wasn’t in that year’s shot either.Never got the swine flu. Haven’t bothered with a shot the last few years. My husband never gets a shot and never got either flu. He never gets sick at all despite high blood pressure and being overweight and hating green leafy vegetables.

401639 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Steve Martindale, #133 of 1550 🔗

viruses have a right to live too i say.humans are way too self centered. i always think nature know s best

401667 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to sam s.j., 1, #134 of 1550 🔗

I don’t think viruses are a life form, although bacteria (far larger) are.

401110 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 28, #135 of 1550 🔗

Is there anyone else on here who couldn’t care less what Messrs. Young and Snowdon have to say to each other anymore? Bigger fish to fry, and all that.

401112 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ben Shirley, 17, #136 of 1550 🔗

Agree. Boring willy-waving.

401611 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #137 of 1550 🔗

No it is a ‘serious debate’ between ‘serious people’. /sarc

The onus should on the lockdowners and maskers to justify their killing of the elderly after kicking them out of hospital, their mass child abuse by denying (poorer) kids their socialisation and education, and explain exactly how destroying the economy will save or protect the NHS. ETc. ‘Debating’ with them on their terms is an admission of defeat.

401122 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Ben Shirley, 24, #138 of 1550 🔗

It shows the importance of polite debate, of which most CCP shutdown zealots are incapable.

401141 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ben Shirley, 19, #139 of 1550 🔗

Starting to remind me of the two academics in The Mary Whitehouse experience. But Toby can do as he pleases as long as he keeps this forum going.

401550 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Will, 3, #140 of 1550 🔗

yes – I don’t dispute their right to it: I just couldn’t care less. not interested.

401284 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ben Shirley, 5, #141 of 1550 🔗

Arguing with LD fascists is a waste of time. Their stated goal is the eradication of all opposition.

401544 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ben Shirley, 4, #142 of 1550 🔗

quite – this is neither a gentlemanly debate, nor a playground spat. it is fucking World War III, FFS. we are being genocided.

402432 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #143 of 1550 🔗

What annoys me is Hitchens could have had a serious role in leading marches and such things against this.

Instead he decided to sit in his house in Oxford talking about how much courage he had in being a sceptic.

His chance to actually be courageous in the vein of the ‘dying England’ he goes on about, and he blew it!

402430 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #144 of 1550 🔗

LOL! It’s like Hitchens and his trivial debates with some low-level journo I’ve never heard of, interspersed with tweets concerning some misuse of punctuation on a sign and the use of ‘mad’ to describe the government’s policies. These folk are six months out of date. Sure, when I thought this was all a screw-up Young and Hitchens were a breath of fresh air.

Six months later and any conversation about what is going on has to begin with a discussion of Gates and Operation Lockstep, Agenda 21/30 and all the pointers to the serious incoming threat of totalitarianism. I only come here for the comment section.

I do miss the old days, however, when such terminology was either alien or very distantly known to me.

401111 PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 5, #145 of 1550 🔗

Here’s the paperwork that comes with the Pfizer jab if anyone is interested.
1/4

401113 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #146 of 1550 🔗

2/4

401114 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 3, #147 of 1550 🔗

3/4

401115 ▶▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to PeeDubbya, 7, #148 of 1550 🔗

4/4

401145 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PeeDubbya, 28, #149 of 1550 🔗

Surely eveyone who is being experimented on jabbed should be given this leaflet prior to receiving their dose and asked if they understand the implications.

No-one we have spoken to who has had the jab has been offered any information at all. It’s been a case of jab and go.

401162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 16, #150 of 1550 🔗

They have to tell you if you ask, don’t they? Are you allowed to record what they say? E.g. you ask the jabberwocker ‘And are you prepared to accept unlimited personal liability for any harm or damage that comes to me as a result of this vaccination? Yes? Then please sign this affirmation to that effect.’

401357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Annie, 2, #151 of 1550 🔗

I don’t think they’d even bother to record what you say. I’m also wondering what would happen if you refused to wear a face nappy whilst getting the vaccine. I certainly wouldn’t want to be photographed wearing a diaper and would worry I’d be snapped without my consent.

402256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to fiery, #152 of 1550 🔗

This is what happens when you don’t wear a mask despite exemption: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-55937924

I simply can’t find the words to describe the disgust that I feel towards the people that put this poor woman through that ordeal.

401623 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 4, #153 of 1550 🔗

My understanding is that all medical staff have been given blanket legal immunity over anything related to covid.

401286 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to kh1485, 6, #154 of 1550 🔗

I was given a printed sheet to read before my jab and a few pages that outlined the potential after-effects and their treatment, together with a copy of the manufacturer’s leaflet that is packed with the dose that I got afterwards.

401171 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PeeDubbya, 9, #155 of 1550 🔗

I tried to save those 4 pages to one of my Pinterest pages – so I could go back and read them carefully later. Pages 1 and 2 saved and then pages 3 and 4 wouldnt go through to save and I couldnt even save pages 1 and 2 all over again. Guess their equivalent of f*ctcheckers quickly caught on? At a quick glance – I couldnt see anything on that info. telling those who’d just (been daft enough) to have the vax their immune system would be down for a week or so afterwards and to be VERY careful and that info. seems to be missing from the leaflet.

Agree that it’s absolutely wrong people only get that (partial) info. when they are already there – done. People need time to read/think/discuss with others.

401200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FiatLux, replying to ElizaP, 4, #156 of 1550 🔗

I haven’t checked the leaflet screenshot contents against this stuff from the Government website, but, at first glance, the latter seems to be a text rendering of the information in the former.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

401853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PeeDubbya, 1, #157 of 1550 🔗

Thank you.

401420 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #158 of 1550 🔗

Here’s a couple more documents on the Pfizer jab you may enjoy reading:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiml83hDoZ27A3X9-?e=KbRnPx

401621 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PeeDubbya, 3, #160 of 1550 🔗

This is the second version dated 24 December, which states that the two doses should be given ‘at least 21 days apart’ (ie 4 years is fine). The first version, dated 8 December, and the one accepted under emergency authorisation, stated ’21 days apart’. Neither says whether that is working days or week days so the ’21 days’ could reasonably be interpretatted as ‘about’ or ‘around’ but certainly not ‘at least’. Just more manipulation for political reasons.

401117 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 30, #161 of 1550 🔗

I read in the Telegraph yesterday that they want to vaccinate under 50s at work. I wrote this little limerick in honour of the stupidity of the suggestion. Any other limerick ideas from anyone?

There once was a miracle cure,
Its ethics weren’t always quite pure,
When you return to your job,
After life as a slob,
They will jab you, of that we are sure.

401218 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Liberty, 3, #162 of 1550 🔗

Great

401293 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Liberty, #163 of 1550 🔗

And if you are still working from home…?

401301 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Norman, 1, #164 of 1550 🔗

The peer pressure should at least be less. I suspect individual companies may require it to work for them, possible even if you work from home. I think/hope that work from home people will be the lucky ones.

401323 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 6, #165 of 1550 🔗

I have WFH for the last decade but do (pre-Covid) visit offices and work on client sites. I can see my firm and/or the clients wanting proof of vaccination in future before letting me on these sites. I would refuse but that would reduce my usefulness to the firm (in their eyes at least) so they could show me the door. Even if the firm has a more enlightened policy they are to large extent hostages to their clients’ policies. Unions and strikes could come back into vogue.

401881 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #166 of 1550 🔗

So they would be assuming the vaccine provides immunity, whilst in reality it just provieds reduction of some symptoms in slight cases of the disease?

It won’t stop the vaccinated person catching the disease or passing the virus on to others. You may also have a valid medical reason not to be vaccinated. I would hope they also have done a proper risk assessment. They could be opening themselves up to discrimination / disability / infringement of human rights lawsuits.

402438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #167 of 1550 🔗

LOL I think you people just don’t understand what is around the corner. In Hard Fascism there won’t be those kind of ‘discrimination/ disability/ infringement of human rights’ stuff. Only for corporations and those who have a stake in the game will have such ‘rights’.

I saw those Brit police rush out on youtube to beat the fuck out of those social distancing protestors at Trafalgar Square. They were salivating for a good fucking up.

In the future they will have their chance.

401367 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 7, #168 of 1550 🔗

Not up to yours but I am pre-coffee!

There was a queue today at the store.
I’ve never noticed that before.
So I asked “What’s the delay?
Is there a problem with our pay?”
“No mate, vaccination or get shown the door.”

401400 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #169 of 1550 🔗

Very good. A horrifying thought, but quite possibly true. Self sufficiency grows ever more appealing.

401119 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 86, #170 of 1550 🔗

Toby, you cannot persuade a cultist/abuser. They believe and that’s it. They will go to their graves believing

It is not for us to produce evidence as to why we should not be imprisoned. It is not for us to make the case for not being imprisoned We are the victims of crimes against humanity and that is the ended of the matter

Do we ask the victims of domestic abuse to sit in a room with their tormentor and demand the victim produce evidence as to why they should not be abused? (With the added insult of the perpetrator being the arbiter)

There should be only one message sent to Snowdon. You are an abuser and you must stop, and if you don’t stop we will stop you

401164 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Cecil B, 40, #171 of 1550 🔗

I found this image a learning and eye opening. As you say, we are in an abusive relationship with our government.

401219 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Liberty, 8, #172 of 1550 🔗

Wow that is so right!

401166 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 17, #173 of 1550 🔗

You probably won’t be able to persuade a cultist but in the process of trying you will hone your arguments and may persuade waverers who are following the debate

401379 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Cecil B, 11, #174 of 1550 🔗

I had to do these awful sessions with my abusive mum, whom I also loved very much. Just as damaging as the abuse I suffered at her hands, was the battle within, between anger and guilt for a very long time.

401120 Tom Blackburn, 12, #175 of 1550 🔗

The acid test for the vaccine surely arrives once the Aussies have all been jabbed and open up again (heading into winter)

401123 Biker, replying to Biker, 83, #176 of 1550 🔗

They lie about everything and they’re lying about how many people are gonna take the shite they want to pump in to you. Fuck your vaccination. I don”t trust the woke, lying faggots who insist they are doing all this to help us, save us, prevent death. They’re just good old fashioned tyrants and this so called deadly virus is the covering fire for the one planet one crew nightmare these cunts think we should all live under. They are NEVER gonna let this go. The ONLY way out is a civil war. War is coming. It will start in America where at least one hundred million people think the election was a fraud. It will spread and we’ll be at war. They’ll shut down the machine and stop food to quell this but it won’t work because liberty is the corner stone for everything. There are gonna be dark times ahead and i reckon between the vaccine and the coming war we’ll see deaths that make the 2nd world war look like a friday night punch up.

401128 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Biker, 28, #177 of 1550 🔗

Trump won with a landslide. History is being rewritten. Time to take to the hills.

401138 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to nickbowes, 65, #178 of 1550 🔗

course he did. Who would vote for that Biden? Trump had tens of thousands of people cheering him wherever he went. People hid from Biden in case he tried to sniff their children. Now he sits there surround with 25 000 troops to protect him because he knows they stole the election. This is how elections will go in the west from now on. It won’t matter if Farage say gets 30 000 000 votes in the election they’ll fake it and we’ll get some old pervert from the tories or Labour instead, where they’ll just turn us green and destroy us, our history and our future. There are very grim times ahead for the people of this earth. I can’t see how we get these demons off our backs.

401157 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Biker, 27, #179 of 1550 🔗

Yes the coming green tyranny will add to the destruction of this shit show…..funnily enough both labour and tories are fully signed up to this too. Anyone priced up a ground heat pump to replace their gas boiler?

401179 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Boris Bullshit, 14, #180 of 1550 🔗

Boris . it is always worth looking at Paul Homewood’s site (Nota lotofpeoleknowthat) for news and comments on climate and energy topics – from a viewpoint generally sceptical of the nonsense and sheer lies fron Govt and the BBC.
Someone recently did a calculation on the cost of heat pumps for a conventional house . Lots of problems , not least that of having additional gas or elctricity heaters to ensure that hot water is hot enoughto kill the Legionaire’s disease pathogens.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/02/03/why-heat-pumps-will-raise-your-energy-bills/

401299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to mikewaite, 3, #181 of 1550 🔗

And Paul is a retired accountant so you can be pretty sure his numbers add up.

401182 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Boris Bullshit, 6, #182 of 1550 🔗

Vague idea I’d be thinking along the lines of around £20k for my very ordinary size house? I was wondering about heat pump etc when I bought my renovator house a few years back – but had to forget about it (as the new gas boiler I bought instead was around £2k and I had to also bear in mind other money I needed to renovate the house already fell short of what was needed). So – yep – more likely I’d be forced into using electric fires all round if it came to it – and complaining about how much of MY money the Government was costing me to run them.

401242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to ElizaP, 11, #183 of 1550 🔗

I looked into it 10 years ago too, when I had an extension built to our 400 year old house. Our architect was super enthusiastic.
But given we could not increase radiator size (house too small), or install underfloor heating (ceilings too low), it made absolutely no sense whatsoever and I could foresee us forever being at the mercy of electricity prices. Plus whenever there is a power cut, you are screwed.

So we got a new oil fired boiler, a log burner, and a back up generator instead.

401308 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to ElizaP, 3, #184 of 1550 🔗

You also need to factor in that heat pump systems are not compatible with pumped hot water CH so all the rads will need to be thrown away.

402663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to ElizaP, #185 of 1550 🔗

A wealthy friend, whose roof is already covered in solar panels, had a ground source heat pump installed for £35k. When I expressed surprise at the amount, he said ‘oh it was not that bad, we got a £9k subsidy’ as though it was money growing on trees. When I mentioned that this was effectively a transfer of wealth away from the poorest in society he shut up.

401331 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #186 of 1550 🔗

much as I share your sentiments – how can we have a civil war with no tanks, guns or weapons? the other side control all the instruments of war, so it seems to me a non-starter. tbh, I am in complete despair

401396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #187 of 1550 🔗

Satyagraha

401437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #188 of 1550 🔗

We can but hope that the typical soldier is of similar mind to us and would not cross the line to fire on their own fellow citizens.

401637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #189 of 1550 🔗

The pigs certainly would with glee

402455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #190 of 1550 🔗

The ‘typical soldier’ will shoot a child in the head if he is told to do so. Period.

402053 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #191 of 1550 🔗

That’s why they’re trying so hard to get rid of our second amendment 🤔

402048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Boris Bullshit, #192 of 1550 🔗

We HAVE a ground heat pump. Cost us nearly 60 grand but there was a 30 % tax credit. You need Land for that, at least enough for a loop to be put in the ground. Ours got drilled down (300 feet, I think?). We still have a gas backup which runs typically at temperatures below 0F when the heat pump can’t keep up. You don’t have that issue in the UK but we’re in Wisconsin and January and February can get well below that. The heat pump cuts our bills by about half while keeping the house very comfortable.

402055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Elisabeth, #193 of 1550 🔗

How long before you recoup the sixty grand, less 30%?

402637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Rowan, #194 of 1550 🔗

15-20 years if the utility cost stays the same. Which of course it won’t

402454 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #195 of 1550 🔗

Because they take orders from the trilateral commission and the NWO, what Catherine Austin Fitts calls The Syndicate. Thinking about separate parties and countries in this day and age is a nonsense: it is global bodies kept buoyant by international finance who call the shots.

402450 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Biker, 1, #196 of 1550 🔗

Farage? Who bangs pans outside his house? He isn’t against the NWO.

401175 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nickbowes, 6, #197 of 1550 🔗

There is a thing going round the Net showing several photos of Airforce 1 – ie the USA Presidents plane. One photo shows Trump getting on the plane. Another photo shows Biden getting on the plane – but it’s a different plane (ie looks like another one has had the appropriate lettering painted on it – different place and different place for doors). Wonder if this is so?

401251 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), replying to ElizaP, 16, #198 of 1550 🔗

AF1 is the call sign, not the aircraft. The President could be in a hang glider and it would be called AF1. Having said that, there is some really weird stuff going on in the States and worth keeping a close eye on in the next few weeks.

401677 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 6, #199 of 1550 🔗

I’m not at all sure what’s going on there at the moment – but just know I’ve rather been expecting some sort of civil war there for months now and that, very probably, followed by the States splitting into two (or maybe even more). I’m still wondering if that’s what is going to happen…

402457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to ElizaP, 1, #200 of 1550 🔗

“The fruits of abortion are nuclear war” – Mother Teresa. And she may yet be right.

Some of us have said for years that the world is going to hell in a handcart. At the moment, it looks like we were right, doesn’t it….

402477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, #201 of 1550 🔗

There are no geopolitical lines along which it will split. This is a fantasy. Trump’s defeated supporters who rioted in the Capitol Building are just a policing matter.

402639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to FedupofLies, #202 of 1550 🔗

Wasn’t Trump supporters doing the rioting. Antifa (paid by the globalist filth) was doing the rioting decked out to look like Trump supporters. And we knew they were going to do that too. And Trump knew it. That’s why he changed the venue at the last minute. The complicit guards opened the gates for them and let them in. All kinds of folks filmed it.

402469 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), #203 of 1550 🔗

It’s all myths: flags with golden fringes, officers not saluting, soldiers turning their back, bla bla bla

401640 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to ElizaP, 2, #204 of 1550 🔗

There are 2 identical modified 747-200

402638 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to ElizaP, #205 of 1550 🔗

A lot of speculation going on. I don’t think anyone really knows.

402444 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nickbowes, #206 of 1550 🔗

The Cotswolds?

401131 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Biker, 41, #207 of 1550 🔗

Lies

They lied about the curve to flatten
That wasn’t why the lockdown happened.
They lied about the beach transmission
Stealing joy became their mission.

They lied about the PCR test
As increased cases was their quest.
They lied to fan the pandemic creature
Deaths were not a needed feature.

So long as Covid proved to spread
The fear was ramped up in our heads
As out of context data spewed,
On a nightly basis on the news.

They lied, or told us half a tale,
Fear brought in the media sales,
The lack of balance from our stations
Grew compliance from our nations.

They didn’t share the suicides
Their silence spoke as if they’d lied.
The child abuse and family breakdowns
Were all ignored as we called for lockdowns.

The lies were twisted, can’t be unwound
The ties of lockdowns have us bound.
But freedom’s hidden in our hearts
When we see the lies our freedom starts.

401509 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 1, #208 of 1550 🔗

I quite like that Tracey Ullman record btw. What happened to Kirsty MacCall was awful.

And people keep putting forward criteria for this shitshow being over (e.g. Hancock in trial). For me it isn’t over till they bring back the proper Special Brew. Still got my Special Brew hour-glass-shaped glass, with its Churchill anecdote on the side. Will stay empty till the happy day of liberation.

402442 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Biker, #209 of 1550 🔗

I’m not quite sure what geopolitical camps are supposed to emerge here.

Trump supporters are a dying breed and have no power other than in the ballot box, and that has gone now.

The English are going to fight a civil war? Really? I doubt that very much.

The only war that I fear may occur is that between, say, the United States and China, and that would be devastating.

I’m afraid it’s better just to accept the inevitable. The people seem to very much like their coming servitude. So, just prepare for the ride.

402554 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Biker, #210 of 1550 🔗

Use words like ‘woke’ and your argument is lost out of the window.

401125 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 38, #211 of 1550 🔗

The level of vaccines compared across various countries is a (possibly) interesting expose of how the developed countries are defending themselves from a virus with limited fatality rates, especially for the young. Even for the over 90s, the chance of dying from COVID last year was 1 in 46, compared to around 1 in 4.6 of dying of any cause in a regular year. Meanwhile, it is estimated that hundreds of millions of people will be thrown into starvation and death in the LEDCs as a direct result of the Western response to this virus.

Despite the  headline figures in the US for COVID deaths being over 450,000, excess deaths in the US last year (on an age adjusted mortality basis) were just 362,000, and since the number of COVID deaths in the age categories 75-85 and 85+ exceeded the total excess deaths by 72,221 (240705 compared to 168484) the maximum deaths due to COVID were around 290,000. In fact, if you look at the age distribution, around 40% of the excess deaths are over 75 (as opposed to around 75% for COVID deaths anywhere in the world), so the likely number of COVID deaths for 2020 in the US was around 168474/ 0.75, around 225,000, or 679 people per million.

It is clear that when Fauci says “It was very clear what President Biden wanted … and that is that science was going to rule”, he means the scientific establishment is going to rule, and to hell with the true science and true numbers. The treatment of people, especially younger people, in the US, UK and most other countries, encouraged by the self-important, ignorant and uncaring attitudes of the likes of Fauci, has been thoroughly revolting, and as the situation becomes increasingly transparent with the disinfectant of daylight these people will hopefully be exposed for what they are.

401195 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Laurence, #212 of 1550 🔗

Sorry if I’m being stupid, but I can’t quite get my head around your second paragraph. It looks most interesting so I’d like to be able to follow it.

401211 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to TJN, 6, #213 of 1550 🔗

There were 362,000 excess deaths in the US last year, of which 168,484 occurred in the 75-84 and 85+ age groups. The headline COVID death figures for these age groups totalled 240,705 which is 72,221 more than the excess deaths in these age groups of 168,484, so the maximum number of COVID deaths for the year should be reduced by 72,221 to around 290,000. But since 75% of COVID deaths anywhere are amongst the over 75s, I estimate the total number of deaths from COVID as 168,484 divided by 0.75 which works out as around 225,000.

401354 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Laurence, 3, #214 of 1550 🔗

Thanks that’s a lot clearer. Ascertaining the true covid death rate will be one of the most important pieces of post analysis. And it will have to be inferred and reverse engineered from the various data.

My own hunch is 15-40% of the quoted figures, and probably towards the centre of this range. But I’ll stand to be corrected.

401635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to TJN, 4, #215 of 1550 🔗

There should be a large scale project in each country to go over all deaths from say January 2020, and reassess cause of death, based on long-standing conventional practices where ‘old age’ was a conceivable cause. The absurd ‘within 28 days of a positive test result’ needs to be binned.

401773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #216 of 1550 🔗

Yes, officially or unofficially this needs to be done, and I am confident will be done, and the truth outed. As I say, my hunch is 15-40%, centred on 25%, for the UK, which would imply c. 30k deaths – over two seasons. In which case, the flu it is.

401127 JamesDrebin, 67, #217 of 1550 🔗

As always, “currently no plans” morphs into, “well maybe just a few plans”. Lying government bastards. Just the tip, yeah? Just for a moment? Just to see how it feels? Aaaand we’re pregnant.

Dear media, government, and useful idiots who said it could never be: Shove your dodgy injectable therapeutics, and the inevitable mandatory society-wide “health passports” RIGHT UP YOUR PHARMA-LOVING ARSES. >:-(

401129 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 34, #218 of 1550 🔗

So, if we want our freedom back, do not vote for any of the main parties, or the SNP….ever again………

401172 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tim Bidie, 21, #219 of 1550 🔗

I think thats a given…..I am finished for ever with all of them. If they can support this what on earth else can they support. Problem is last Dec I was faced with a three headed monster each with zero appeal. Will I get a better choice in May?

401183 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Boris Bullshit, 14, #220 of 1550 🔗

You can spoil the ballot. There has to be a minimum number of votes otherwise it’s a re-election. I suspect alternative parties are aware of this and will be doing something about it.

401221 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to mhcp, 2, #221 of 1550 🔗

God let’s hope so

401246 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #222 of 1550 🔗

Yep. Monster Raving Loonies all the way. Time for some sanity in parliament.

401636 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Stevey, 2, #223 of 1550 🔗

We currently have raving monstrous loonies in charge.

401135 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 27, #224 of 1550 🔗

If you look at the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey: characteristics of people testing positive for COVID-19 in England, 27 January 2021

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19infectionsinthecommunityinengland/characteristicsofpeopletestingpositiveforcovid19inengland27january2021

Then the percentage experiencing different symptoms with the new variant is very similar to that without the S gene mutation.

So it’s highly likely there is no real difference between the Kent strain and any other strain in terms of mortality also.

I suspect if you adjust for other confounding factors (e.g. age vs which strain is most prevalent in that age) any weak associations go away

If you did a proper analysis of the very weak association between strain and mortality rate such as using the Bradford Hill criteria then you wouldn’t reach the conclusion that the Kent strain is more deadly.

For a start the association between strain and mortality rate seems to be very weak (if any at all when you consider the difficulties in comparing directly) and it is implausible that a strain that supposedly spreads more quickly will be more deadly.

Any proper scientists left (i.e. those who still apply the scientific method, rather than practicing medieval quackery and worship at their corporate and government funders’ shrines) need to call out this nonsense.

401146 ▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #225 of 1550 🔗

FreeCumbria, are the ONS still surveying as they did back in October? If not, could you explain the difference?

401178 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 4, #226 of 1550 🔗

I haven’t followed their methological changes in detail. And I’m not sure detailed information is available. There are lengthy methodology ONS documents for sure but the ones I’ve seen are waffle rather than useful practical information on what they are doing.

In terms of the main ONS infection survey, the ONS were following through a cross-section of the population over time and testing those same people weekly which is a good way to do it. But they gradually stopped doing this as they recruited new people into the study. As a result the useful follow through data disappeared, and we lost the important new ‘infection’ measure and they moved over to presenting modelling results rather than raw data.

They mention the change in the 11th December bulletin.

We calculate incidence (the number of new infections in a set period of time) by directly measuring when a participant in the study who has previously tested negative subsequently tests positive, and comparing this with the number of participants who remain negative. When enrolled on the survey, participants are swabbed weekly for five weeks and then move to monthly swabbing. Until recently, the majority of participants have been swabbed weekly providing us with regular and timely updates on the number of new infections and the “time at risk”. However, the proportion swabbed monthly has now increased. This means our estimation of incidence needs to be adapted to reflect the change in data capture to ensure the change to monthly swabbing has been fully reflected in our estimates. We are therefore taking further time to ensure we provide an accurate picture of incidence for the latest week and ensure our estimates continue to be of high quality

The ‘further time’ bit seemed to actually mean, ‘we aren’t going to do it at all from now on but we don’t want to say that, so let’s pretend it’s just a temporary suspension’.

401158 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #227 of 1550 🔗

Aha, but that magic word ‘deadly’ us guaranteed to send the zombies scuttling back under the bed.

401203 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Annie, 7, #228 of 1550 🔗

And have a look at section 6 in the main infection survey. Does the new variant really appear to be more transmissible from the information there? My reading is it’s a clear no.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/5february2021

So at the moment (we have to keep an open mind) the evidence strongly suggests the new variant is not more transmissible, and not more deadly.

I doubt the general population know that though.

401265 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #229 of 1550 🔗

We don’t need an open mind.The variants are made up to continue the fear.I watched an American news show and they were using the British strain to scare.I can’t remember the last time any government minister or sage cretin used the Kent variety.its all about the South African strain.
In there own words,could,might maybe all bullshit to ensure vaccine uptake and probably another one next year.

401646 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #230 of 1550 🔗

They have used the 1984 Health Act for a good reason (as far as they are concerned). All they need do to keep lockdown going is, every 3 to 4 weeks, to come up with a superficially scary interepation of data to maintain the ‘serious and imminent threat’ BS. By the time outsiders have looked at the data and shown it to be a scam, the next ‘deadly’ one has already been issued.

401142 alw, replying to alw, 41, #231 of 1550 🔗

Talk Radio becoming a shadow of itself. Three cheers for Andrew Neil.

” I’m proud to be Chairman of GB News and, as you may have read, I have left the BBC after 25 years to host a nightly programme on the channel.
I’m doing it because I believe the direction of news debate in Britain is increasingly woke and out of touch with the majority of its people.”

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1394315/Andrew-Neil-GB-News-latest-comment

401149 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to alw, 22, #232 of 1550 🔗

You’re right. I thought TR was a haven for sceptics like me but I can’t even listen to Mike Graham anymore. Especially after last week when he did an ‘I’m alright Jack’ with a caller and they both seemed to find it amusing that they weren’t suffering as others are.

401160 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 13, #233 of 1550 🔗

If you think Mike Graham is bad try Ian Collins!

401167 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 10, #234 of 1550 🔗

I know, I stopped listening to him last year.

The thing is, iirc, IC was quite sceptical and then seemed to turn quite quickly. With MG, it’s been more of a gradual turning. Might listen to him when he does his usual pieces with Peter Hitchens and Neil Oliver, but that will be it for me.

401318 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #235 of 1550 🔗

Yes. His oft used phrase of “Now here’s the thing” is pretty tiresome. We all know what ‘the thing’ is.

401638 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #236 of 1550 🔗

Douglas Murray uses that as a conversational tic as well- irritating.

401237 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to kh1485, 5, #237 of 1550 🔗

Mike Graham was fawning over Dr Laurence Buckman last week when we knew from immediate family and friends much of it was untrue. No challenge.

401884 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, 4, #238 of 1550 🔗

We will be robust in holding all politicians to account – no one can doubt my credentials in that regard – but we won’t operate on the basis that they’re all lying and incompetent. GB News will be passionate, but it will not be shouty, angry television that denies people the space to have their say.
Above all we will conform to all the Ofcom rules designed to ensure impartiality and the absence of bias in news broadcasting.
Facts must be well-sourced and accurate. Conspiracy and disinformation will not be tolerated. Mistakes will be quickly acknowledged and rectified.

We shall see!

401143 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 53, #239 of 1550 🔗

Vaccine suspicions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-55962427

Ten people dead after Covid outbreak at Fife care home
‘In a statement it said: “NHS Fife is aware of a recent cluster of confirmed Covid-19 cases associated with Mossview Care Home in Lochgelly. “Sadly, ten people died after contracting Covid-19 and our thoughts are with their loved ones at this difficult time.”‘

Towards the end of the article we read:

‘The vaccine rollout to care homes began in Scotland on 14 December.

On 13 January NHS Fife confirmed the first round of vaccinations had been carried out in all of the region’s 76 care homes.’

No connection with the deaths I don’t suppose?

401332 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Basileus, 11, #240 of 1550 🔗

I had a bad night after my AZ shot. I am pretty robust but I can imagine it knocking the stuffing out of a frail person.

401443 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Norman, 5, #241 of 1550 🔗

A work colleague also had the AZ vaccine and had two days of severe muscular pain and could barely lift her arm.

401147 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #242 of 1550 🔗

Times

Online giants face tax raid on booming profits

The article blames online companies for the decline of the high Street. There is no mention that the Dictatorship closed all the High Street shops and that may have had an effect

This will go down well with the plebs who think taxing those rich bastards is the way to go.

The plebs are to dim to understand that these taxes will be passed on to them. The profit margin will be maintained

This is a super stealth tax on the poor

The tax takes no account of the income of the end user so the poorest will be the hardest hit

This a tax on food, a tax on clothes, and everything that people buy

Brilliant by the Chancellor. Hit the poorest hardest whilst convincing them that the extra taxes are being paid by the rich

401214 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 4, #243 of 1550 🔗

Actually the pandemic tax is a good idea for once. If this is put forward, any companies or individuals complaining about it, are going to look bad.
If the online tax applied to retailers over a certain size, say 500 employees or a certain turnover threshold, then fine. If it’s across the board, then this will hit the poorest the hardest.

401148 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #244 of 1550 🔗

Just read Peter Hitchen’s column…for the first time since last March he does not mention the lockdown tyranny. Is he no longer allowed to talk about it or has he become bored with it?

401150 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Boris Bullshit, 13, #245 of 1550 🔗

I would think neither. Maybe he felt he had nothing new to say on it this week. He still tweets a lot about C19 and he wrote a blog piece earlier in the week about C19 deaths (The Mail hosts his blog).

His columns are good and probably do help in getting the sceptic message out but where he would be most useful is debating on something like Question Time or interviewing people but they’d not let him near that

401244 ▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Julian, 5, #246 of 1550 🔗

He hasn’t been invited on Question Time for several years having been a regular. Clear evidence of BBC censorship. Only views within a narrow range are now acceptable for public airing. When did you last hear a Conservative MP on QT argue for lower state spending?

401159 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 32, #247 of 1550 🔗

If anything, I would think the former. After all, he hasn’t got bored with any of the other topics on which he has been writing for many years.

For me, he has been the stand-out journalist in all this. He is clearly a man of integrity and courage. And, from a personal point of view, whenever I have contacted him – be it about the horrific hold BigPharma have over the lives of millions or the bullying I have received from the authorities this last year – he has always replied which I think speaks volumes.

401165 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 17, #248 of 1550 🔗

Yes he is a genuine journalist…..a very rare species these days it seems….a bit like genuine politicians.

401170 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 22, #249 of 1550 🔗

He is clearly a man of integrity and courage.

Yes, and he’s also intelligent and, on his travels, has seen a lot and absorbed the lessons.

Not many of today’s ‘journalists’ can say claim the same qualities.

401196 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 9, #250 of 1550 🔗

Indeed. Short Breaks in Mordor is a fascinating read.

401594 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 1, #251 of 1550 🔗

Mrs TJN gave me his Unconventional Wisdom for Xmas.

401269 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TJN, 8, #252 of 1550 🔗

indeed. most of them are self-serving narcissists with no interest in or knowledge about anything beyond their own bank accounts. sadly, all professions seem to be riddled with these kinds of mediocrities nowadays.

401345 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #253 of 1550 🔗

Yes, and all institutions – which goes a long way to explaining why we are in this mess.

401152 isobar, replying to isobar, 3, #254 of 1550 🔗

The link to the SM article (How did Britain end up with the worst rate etc.) in the round up section doesn’t work. Here is the correct link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9231575/How-did-Britain-end-worst-Covid-19-death-rate-world.html

401184 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to isobar, 7, #255 of 1550 🔗

Thanks, I tried but failed to add a comment! but anyway a lot of comments and they are hardly good news to the Government’s ears. If the Government is going to do as well as it hopes in the May elections I think they need to start moving quickly on a road to freedom.

401199 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #256 of 1550 🔗

The British people will vote these despots back in. The majority are too dumb to realise they are being royally shafted.

401208 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #257 of 1550 🔗

Unfortunately you are probably right unless we have a viable third party option and I don’t mean the LibDems!

401261 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #258 of 1550 🔗

democracy is a sham. power does not reside with the people, and never did. it failed to prevent us getting here, and it will not get us out

401314 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to isobar, 1, #259 of 1550 🔗

It was rigged that’s why.

401153 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 19, #260 of 1550 🔗

ATL
“Last week the Financial Times carried an article about the huge but surprisingly mild epidemic of Covid that India is suffering.”

Surely …
India, 30 degrees further South. More sunshine, more vitamin D, stronger immune system, milder Covid infections. QED.

401155 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PastImperfect, 29, #261 of 1550 🔗

No lockdown, herd immunity.

401191 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Annie, 28, #262 of 1550 🔗

As Nick Hudson from PANDA said, we have done this all wrong. Focused protection for the elderly and vulnerable and a Covid Party for the rest of us. We would have been through this by now – immunity plus the ability to cope with any mutations.

401197 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Thomasina, 25, #263 of 1550 🔗

This virus should have started and ended with the powers of the immune system. All other interventions have been bollocks.

401230 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #264 of 1550 🔗

Absolutely! Greatest scam EVER pulled!

401254 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Thomasina, 7, #265 of 1550 🔗

that’s what would have been done if this had ever really been about a virus, but it never was

401483 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Thomasina, 10, #266 of 1550 🔗

When it all started I remember a news report about young people in Bangladesh having “Covid parties” and the MSM being outraged. Turns out they were probably right. I recall going to measles and chicken pox parties as a kid.

401163 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #267 of 1550 🔗

They also don’t ramp up PCR cycles

401311 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mhcp, 8, #268 of 1550 🔗

And HCQ is freely available.

401212 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #269 of 1550 🔗

Less obesity, younger population, doubtless more pragmatic testing PCR cycle thresholds, better leadership, more common sense, lower standard of living/more resilient population used to taking personal responsibility for their own wellbeing……

401488 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #270 of 1550 🔗

Plus they probably have better immune systems due to the number and variety of viruses they live with. Can’t imagine the folk of the Colcatta slums washing their shopping.

401632 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #271 of 1550 🔗

-as Mrs. M is still doing, including the bloody magazines. Me for Calcutta.

401682 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #272 of 1550 🔗

Plus more dangerous illnesses being in circulation that put Covid into perspective. This may be a general “Third World” thing.

401228 ▶▶ alw, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #273 of 1550 🔗

And we are not allowed to travel abroad to get our much needed sunshine in the winter and have to take vitamin di substitute instead.

401156 Julian, replying to Julian, 43, #274 of 1550 🔗

More chirping from British tennis star Andy Murray

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/55947626

“Andy Murray angry at missing Australian Open & questions LTA protocols”
He tested positive and was unable to travel to Australia in time to get into the quaratine hotels they had arranged for the players.

At the time he didn’t say much, now he is blaming slack observance of mask rules and overcrowding at the LTA’s Roehampton training facility, which he has been using. Too many people there who should not have been there. Since it’s not open to the public but only to elite players, he’s basically saying that only Very Important people like him shoud have been allowed to use it. Of course getting his own court built in the grounds of his enormous house in Surrey couldn’t possibly have been an option, as he doesn’t have tens of millions of pounds in the bank, and neither would staying away from the place at busy times. No, him catching the virus was definitely NOT his fault, or inevitable – others are to blame.

Bear in mind the people he is moaning about are his fellow professionals and their coaches who are all considerably poorer than he is. Dan Evans, another top UK player, also had a moan about “not very important” players using the facility.

Just remember, we’re all in the this together.

401176 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, 12, #275 of 1550 🔗

Let them eat cake

401207 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 26, #276 of 1550 🔗

It’s so obvious that elite sport is being allowed for bread and circuses purposes. I refuse to watch it now.

401426 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Julian, 17, #277 of 1550 🔗

me too – i tried to watch the rugby yesterday but was too depressing atmosphere with empty stadium – but was just as well as england lost anyway!
Andy Murray can go stuff himself – he’s an arrogant, self important/entitled tosser who is now past his best and will never win another grand slam.

402376 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to penelope pitstop, #278 of 1550 🔗

He wants to build a tennis centre in a Scottish beauty spot.

401194 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 25, #279 of 1550 🔗

As a sportsperson I really loved Andy Murray. Politically though, he is a complete idiot. Another, woke progressive easily led by propaganda. I am not surprised he has fallen for the COVI bollocks.

401201 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to JHUNTZ, 34, #280 of 1550 🔗

Novak is standing up to it though and all he gets is tremendous abuse. Yet he is World No 1.

401205 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Thomasina, 23, #281 of 1550 🔗

Djokovic has been criticised heavily for organising a (completely legal) tournament last summer and trying to get better conditions for the players in Australia – but actually although he comes across as a bit full of himself he is actually doing his job and standing up for colleagues less fortunate than he is – he can afford not to work again, many others cannot

402161 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Thomasina, 3, #282 of 1550 🔗

Djokovic has gone up in my estimation after holding that tournament. Never understood the criticism considering these are all highly fit and healthy young men and women FFS.

401202 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #283 of 1550 🔗

Yes I agree. Disappointed in Dan Evans – I thought he was less arrogant than that.

402162 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to JHUNTZ, #284 of 1550 🔗

Agreed. Went right off him after he took the bloody knee.

401241 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Julian, 18, #285 of 1550 🔗

And was he too tight go and get your own test done? You don’t say if you were ill, so could it be you had a false reading? Were you wearing a mask? Well why did that not work. God I fucking hate AM. Spoiled little mummy’s boy.

401362 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 11, #286 of 1550 🔗

Jesus wept. As much as I think Andy Murray is an OK guy, he does come across as petulant and immature half the time. A far cry from the gracious & polite Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal.

He should get over himself and as I’ve queried here before, why is he not using his stature to question how lockdown and restrictions have been having a negative impact on this country’s physical health & mental well being? Instead we get this tantrum.

As for Dan Evans who he?

401169 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 81, #287 of 1550 🔗

A lot of us would be nervous about liberty-curtailing complications

Oh, really? Like being forced to carry certification of having receiving an experimental drug in order to do things “such as going to restaurants, bars or the cinema”? Are you “nervous” about that?

Someone please wake me up from this nightmare!

401187 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to mattghg, 42, #288 of 1550 🔗

Personally – I’d sooner scream my head off about not being allowed into my restaurants/bars/cinemas than take the Vax to graciously be allowed to do what I have every right to do. But, me being me, I’d be looking for other people to join me on a picket line outside the places discriminating against us.

401209 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to ElizaP, 27, #289 of 1550 🔗

If a pub won’t serve me I’ll go to a different pub. I only tend to drink in free houses anyway and I will be amazed if any of them turn away punters after the last year they have had.

401315 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 14, #290 of 1550 🔗

Do you think there will be many free pubs left after this.Greene king and Wetherspoons are looking to buy up distressed pubs.The government can control big corporates easier hence the destruction of the small and medium businesses.

401361 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #291 of 1550 🔗

Sorry JP you are wrong about Spoons (and they don’t buy beer just about go out of date)

And it’s not GK -it’ an ex GK boss.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/19/most-non-food-pubs-england-still-awaiting-1000-covid-grants see final para re Spoons

Wetherspoon has not stated that it intends to buy up “smaller pubs” as the headline of the earlier version said. This was an error based on reported plans by the Redcat Pub Company. Neither did Wetherspoon’s recent statement to investors say it planned to buy pubs in general as the article said. Rather the company announced that it is, “considering the acquisition of a number of properties in central London, the freehold reversions of pubs of which it is currently the tenant, and properties adjacent to successful pubs”. We apologise to J D Wetherspoon for these errors.”

402259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #292 of 1550 🔗

I think you might be surprised at the number of smaller free houses who survive this. People are going to be desperate to enjoy their freedom, especially the 20 million of us who are lockdown sceptics.

401690 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Will, 1, #293 of 1550 🔗

It depends on the location of each of us. In my own location – I’m worried that one of the theatres here/which doubles as a cinema might turn out to be the Awkward Brigade and there is a large social venue that stages national tours (in normal times) and those are the two I have my eye on wondering if they’ve personally got a Death Wish (ie to cut their own throats by losing business courtesy of not letting us in coupled by boycotting by any Covidians that have a conscience – not sure how many Covidians would/wouldnt have a conscience and not wish to see us treated that way??).

402252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to ElizaP, 1, #294 of 1550 🔗

There are going to be millions of people who won’t be able to take a vaccine and, given the mood music about autumn boosters, I can’t see them ever getting around to jabbing the under 30s. Are they going to bar people from service if they haven’t been offered a jab? The lawyers would be rubbing their hands at the prospect.

401238 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to ElizaP, 3, #295 of 1550 🔗

Me too

401252 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ElizaP, 6, #296 of 1550 🔗

except that you’ll be being arrested for being out of your house at all….see you later in the gulag

401282 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 13, #297 of 1550 🔗

Then we must be prepared to stand our ground and be arrested.

401701 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #298 of 1550 🔗

That much I could do – as I no longer need a job (being retired) and at no risk of losing my home (it’s my own). I certainly take the view that it literally doesn’t matter if I get a criminal record now at my time of life – as I can easily state that I’m definitely not a criminal (whatever the Government might say) because I wouldn’t have spent over 60 years with a record as “clean as a whistle” otherwise.

401696 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #299 of 1550 🔗

That much I can be sure won’t happen to me – ie gulag or equivalent of. As long as I had at least a few hours warning – then I could make sure I was “free as a bird” before they had the chance (ie safely in Heaven). But I obviously hope they won’t push things that far…

401389 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to ElizaP, 19, #300 of 1550 🔗

There will be non-Vaxxer alternatives arising in the shadows. Speakeasies, small restaurants, arthouse cinemas. The market always provides. Ideally we need our own island that could be the opposite of Zero Covid: Max Covid.

401190 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mattghg, 6, #301 of 1550 🔗

Substitute ‘nervous’ with ‘violent’?

401213 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mattghg, 38, #302 of 1550 🔗

I currently have an International Yellow card vaccine certificate with yellow fever, hepatitis etc. recorded as needed to visit certain African countries. Those vaccinations are long term but I understand that these dodgy covid vaccines only have a limited time protection period and so will these covid passports be time limited? It sounds like an administrative nightmare which could well end up in a bit of a shambles.

Mind you if they are going to be paper then there may be a ‘Mr Fixit’ somewhere who can sort something out. I understand that if you know who to ask you can already get a fake NHS covid vaccination certificate for £5.

401226 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #303 of 1550 🔗

Correct.

401250 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 27, #304 of 1550 🔗

The vaccine passport was always the logical end of this.Q codes,track and trace,temperature checks were just conditioning for this eventuality.
First it will be a card,then it will be in your phone,then it will be a chip in your arm.
We have a small window in the spring to stop this.before a critical mass are ‘vaccinated’ and they can roll out the discrimination on the unjabbed.
By the way that ministers statement could have come straight from that Canadian report.

401174 Cecil B, 19, #305 of 1550 🔗

So the get rich quick schemes dreamt up by the pig dictators chums will be paid for by a food tax on the poor

Brilliant!!!!

401181 End of Tether, 15, #306 of 1550 🔗

Shed a tear this morning for poor nine year old Simon and his peers, article in the round up. What damage is being done to our young people!

401186 End of Tether, replying to End of Tether, 25, #307 of 1550 🔗

Surely young people, who won’t be eligible for the vaccine anytime soon, aren’t going to sit around all summer watching the over 50s going abroad on holiday with their vaccine passports?

401210 ▶▶ Will, replying to End of Tether, 9, #308 of 1550 🔗

There will be uproar, and rightly so.

401215 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to End of Tether, 8, #309 of 1550 🔗

You would think, but given that the government has shown that it doesn’t give a toss about social cohesion or the futures and wellbeing of young people, I wouldn’t be surprised if it indulged its elderly voters in this way just to ensure its chances of re-election come 2024.

401247 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to End of Tether, 12, #310 of 1550 🔗

oh, I think the young will become ‘eligible’ much sooner than you think. they need to get as many done as possible before the effects begin to become evident.

402543 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #311 of 1550 🔗

The youth are the most brainwashed generation in history.

The people who are rebelling are a few ageing baby boomers.

I mean, neither Peter Hitchens nor Jonathan Sumption should be the face of rebellion against The Man.

401189 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 40, #312 of 1550 🔗

NATURAL IMMUNITY is best. HERD IMMUNITY is achieved NATURALLY. Vaccines do NOT guarantee immunity, only reduced symptoms. Only NATURAL IMMUNITY brings HERD IMMUNITY. The WHO can write whatever SHIT they want on their website. They can’t change FACTS and those are the FACTS and we MUST keep shouting them!

401486 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #313 of 1550 🔗

Even the bent pharma corps are not claiming their injections confer immunity ffs. So what is abl doing, buying in to this lying shite?
AG

401968 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #314 of 1550 🔗

I believe I am the only member of staff at work that hasn’t had the vaccine because I believe I have immunity to covid due to getting infected last year. No test but coughed for a fortnight, in September got a two day cold which I believe together with vitamin D protected me from my wife’s covid. For ten days she coughed on me while I hugged her and nothing,my two daughter’s also didn’t get ill. Now I challenge anyone whose been vaccinated to allow themselves to be coughed on for a day. If their so confident about the vaccine expose themselves to it don’t moan about who don’t want it.

401192 PastImperfect, 7, #315 of 1550 🔗

World Bank Covid until 2025?

Covid-19 Strategic Preparedness and Response Program and Proposed 25 Projects under Phase 1

http://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/993371585947965984/pdf/World-COVID-19-Strategic-Preparedness-and-Response-Project.pdf

401204 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #316 of 1550 🔗

Next years science exam

QUESTION 1

What will be the effect of locking up and isolating the whole population (excluding elites) for a year?

Is it

(a) Nobody knows
(b) We will have to wait and see
(c) Who cares
(d) a,b,and c

401225 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #317 of 1550 🔗

(d) should be “devastating”

401243 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #318 of 1550 🔗

yes, – or ‘we know very well and it’s all going beautifully to plan’ – Is there anybody left who still believes this is about a virus? Is there anybody left who believes these are the acts of well-intentioned fools?

401259 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #319 of 1550 🔗

Yes and yes

401307 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #320 of 1550 🔗

There has been a worldwide coup that has taken place in the American empire/sphere of interest.
What were are seeing now is the regime consolidating power.
Vaccine passports are the next step.
If you look at the measures the government have instituted,they only make sense if you look at them as things an occupying power would do to maintain order.
Curfews,stopping protest and freedom of assembly,closing borders.
Once the coming economic crash gives them the excuse to bring in digital currency that is the end of freedom.

401393 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #321 of 1550 🔗

There will be exams next year?

401272 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to merlin, 6, #323 of 1550 🔗

Set that against the UN global preparedness study which includes on p.10 of the Executive Summary the progress indicator that by Sept 2020 – The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen. https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf

401428 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to neilhartley, 4, #324 of 1550 🔗

This was covered in great detail in this video:
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_guest.php?ref=726&part=1&person=20

401289 ▶▶ Alex, replying to merlin, 5, #325 of 1550 🔗

I was going to post this piece, but you beat me to it. This article is truly shocking and proves that the government / scientists are not to be trusted, ever…

401409 ▶▶ isobar, replying to merlin, 5, #326 of 1550 🔗

No apologies needed! Interesting that apart from mentioning the 77th Brigade near the end of the article there is a pretty strong commentary about freedom “Even in a democracy, we should never assume the government of the day is right or even well-intentioned. That’s not how a democracy works. Even now, at a time of a public health crisis, it is our duty to question. We have the right to know the facts and make up our own minds – as the disgraceful secrecy of the post-war years makes clear.
We must never, out of fear, trade our freedom and our liberties for the warm feeling of security.”

401220 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 81, #327 of 1550 🔗

Another PLEA to LS editors… PLEASE think more carefully about your headlines. “Seven years until we are back to normal” is NOT the type of triggering headline your readers log on for. That is MSM scare tactics and has NO PLACE here. Think how differently you could have strapped that…
“FAUCI DOUBLES DOWN ON VACCINE HYSTERIA”
“WHO’S ‘HERD IMMUNITY’ DEFINITION CHANGE NEEDS TO BE CHALLENGED”
“WARNING SIGNS OF MANIC VACCINE AGENDA”
People can choose three categories wrt vaccination attitude:

1) Vaccines are the ONLY way human beings can survive and unless EVERYONE takes whatever vaccine is dictated by global government, we will all die out. This every vaccine HAS to be mandatory through actual force or coercion/restriction (clearly a mad big pharma / big tech agenda!)

2) Vaccines should be developed and made available to those who are vulnerable and WANT to take up a vaccine.

3) Vaccines are a myth. Disease naturally loses severity over time as our immune systems strengthen and evolve. For certain diseases such as malaria and herpes, prophylaxis medication (viral suppressants) are perfectly adequate.

This site should NEVER be anywhere but 2) and 3)

Lockdowns and masks are an INHERENT part of the vile agenda of 1)

Thank you.

401222 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #328 of 1550 🔗

And suggesting we are the sort of people who get “triggered” by words really offends me! We have bigger fish to fry.

401223 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #329 of 1550 🔗

Sorry but that headline triggered me to anger. Triggering doesn’t mean a weakness… everyone is triggered by things. It means “inciting a strong reaction”…

401240 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 18, #330 of 1550 🔗

if you are not triggered by words, you should be. language is power. he who controls the language sets the agenda.

401264 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #331 of 1550 🔗

From a pragmatic point of view a headline is meant to trigger a response, that’s their job. However, this particular headline triggered a feeling of despair and hopelessness in myself.

401266 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to p02099003, 4, #332 of 1550 🔗

Me too

401257 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 50, #333 of 1550 🔗

Yes first three stories are utter sage led bollocks. Why are they on here, you could have highlighted them in a sentence. The nhs wanker hopson? Has had the “look at us we are so busy, give us more money” bollocks since day one. We don’t need to see it. Then more on Toby’s argument with some fellow journalists. IDGAF either take it outside and sort it out or SFTU.

But what really pissed me off is there is nothing on Mike Yeadon being forced off twitter and losing some of his work because of people fake posting on his site. He has been one of our biggest allies and you say NOTHING!! Its a fucking disgrace why is the FSU not all over this? That is a 1000 times more important than Toby’s stupid spat on a journal with about 30 people viewing it.

401287 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Spikedee1, 25, #334 of 1550 🔗

There was a comment late yesterday reporting from Germany.The court case has forced the German government to release emails that showed they wanted worst case scenario modelling so they could lock up the population.
Sounds familiar

401627 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #335 of 1550 🔗

This was mentioned in Dr. Karina Reiss and Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi’s book ‘Corona False Alarm’, that came out awhile ago, still worth a read now.

402558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Woden, 1, #336 of 1550 🔗

Sucharit Bhakdi Full Interview Planet Lockdown on Vimeo

You must watch his interview.this man is a saint. The book,by the way, is his wife and himself.

401291 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Spikedee1, 39, #337 of 1550 🔗

Yes… Mike – the original brave whistleblower – being terrorised is the greatest crime of this whole fiasco and should have been the lead story. If it’s not lead story tomorrow I’ll be very upset. He’s a passionate, genuine guy, who had nothing to gain and everything to lose. He risked everything to tell the truth. He is my hero. I will only ever clap for him and those who’ve stood up beside him. How do we organise a nationwide clap for him, and Claire Craig, Ellen Townsend, Johnathan Sumption, John Lee, Toby Young, Charles Walker, Graham Brady, Molly Kingsley, Emma Kenny, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Talk Radio, Alison Pearson, Unlocked people, Spiked people, Vernon Coleman… these are the TRUE heroes, along with any NHS worker who has risked their livelihood to tell the truth.

401926 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #338 of 1550 🔗

Hear, hear, hear, hear, hear, hear, hear, hear!

401995 ▶▶▶▶▶ SooooooFedUp, replying to popo says, 2, #339 of 1550 🔗

I second that emotion

402562 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #340 of 1550 🔗

Spiked were always weak when I read them. And pretty late on the scam.

Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt need a mention. I guess Peter Hitchens for being there at the beginning though he has drifted off into trivial spats with people I haven’t even heard of. James Delingpole has done some good interviews.

But the real hero, in my opinion: Corbyn. Piers, that is. Piers Corbyn has been arrested for bravely protesting right from the beginning and several times. His brother, Jeremy, is a vile coward and enabler of fascism.

401274 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #341 of 1550 🔗

It’s the sort of headline that would get you reaching for your gun, if you had one that is!

401471 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #342 of 1550 🔗

I had occasion to email TY about JB’s shilling for the ‘vaccine’ when he started:

Hi Toby
You appear to have delegated the writing of your usually steady and often excellent blog to somebody who doesn’t fully understand the raison d’etre. My annotations on this extract from today’s lead story illustrate my concern:-

“This is a medical breakthrough(1) and, on the face of it, good news(2). Nonetheless, many Briton’s are not yet convinced that the vaccine is safe.(3) MailOnline has more :

One fifth of Britons are still unsure the Pfizer vaccine is safe while two thirds said Health Secretary Hancock should be given the jab live on air, according to a new survey by YouGov. Researchers asked more than 5,000 adults in Britain how confident they were that the new Pfizer vaccine is safe. In response, 20% of those asked said they were either not confident at all or not very confident that the vaccine would be safe. Just over a quarter, 27% of people said they are “very confident” it will be safe while 43% said they are “somewhat confident”.

Sceptics must be careful(4) to avoid excessive application of the precautionary principle here.(5) Of course, it hasn’t been definitively proved that the vaccine is safe.(6) But then again, it can’t be proved, categorically, that it would be safe to end all Government-mandated restrictions tomorrow and we don’t regard that as a good reason not to do so.(7) It’s about a balance of risk and we should apply that same calculus here. Provided it is left entirely up to the individual about whether to take the vaccine or not, and no efforts are made to compel people to take it, either directly or indirectly, we welcome it.”(8)

(1) A political decision has been taken to approve the mass vaccination of the UK population using a novel and experimental formulation whose efficacy and safety is as yet essentially unkown. This does not constitute a medical breakthrough for anyone with half a brain never mind a sceptical disposition. Even the propaganda merchants at the BBC recognise that the approval process for new vaccines normally takes 10 years. The membership of the organisation which has given such premature approval is absolutely not independent of both commercial and Government interests and influence.

(2) The actual news for us sceptics is that the administration of this vaccine will not necessarily lead to the relaxation of restrictions unless of course the latter is made conditional on the former as has been mooted publicly by Government and advisors. This is not good news for anyone except the brainwashed.

(3) This sentiment could have been lifted from the BBC itself: the idea that this vaccine could be honestly described as ‘safe’ is, objectively speaking, actually a chimera and the Government itself is expecting ‘a high volume of adverse drug reactions’ according to the MHRA (the same MHRA that has just approved the vaccine as effective and safe). Your blog says ‘not yet convinced’, the Mail says ‘still unsure’ as if the desirability of universal belief in the safety of this experimental drug should be taken for granted. What specious rubbish! (At least the Mail writer understands apostrophes. Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

(4) The use of the word ‘must’ in connection with our behaviour may be appropriate to the law, even in the Highway Code, but is surely out of place on your blog. Please can your writer try to sound a bit less like a Government spokesperson telling us the rules?

(5) This makes no sense unless the writer is encouraging a more relaxed attitude to the taking of the vaccine than is warranted by the facts. The precautionary principle has already been abandoned on our behalf by the producers and promoters of the vaccine (eg. by shrinking a 10/15 year process down to 9 months and ignoring the usual protocols to do so). Why then should we be thinking in terms of avoiding ‘excessive application’ of this principle for ourselves?

(6) Your writer is setting up a false comparison by first proposing the impossible. No vaccines are ‘definitively proved’ to be ‘safe’ however beneficial they generally may be; the onset of an adverse drug reaction can never be ruled out and it is dishonest to imply that this could ever be the case.

to be continued

401478 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #343 of 1550 🔗

continued :

(7) Comparing one logical fallacy with another of a different kind has never made for good argument for anything. Of course all the normal prior agreed standards and stages for vaccine approval, if followed, would enable an informed judgement to be made by any indiviual on whether to take it or not. We (in theory) make that decision from a position of (unvaccinated) freedom. Sadly, apart from the few very brave public campaigners and resistors, it is not in the gift of individuals to choose whether or not to obey Government-mandated restrictions – they are mandated by the Government and we find ourselves burdened by them and wishing ourselves free of them without false argument or caveat. We know that whether some fool somewhere thinks we should remain locked down for the sake of ‘safety’ is neither here nor there. That’s what makes us ‘lockdown sceptics’. Not so sure about your writer on this evidence.

(8) ‘We welcome it’ Really? The conditions evoked by ‘Provided…’ ignore the overwhelming evidence that what your writer is hoping to take for granted will not in fact be the case. It is clear that various forms of coercion to submit to this treatment are currently on the stocks, including the threat of exclusion from places and/or activities, (from healthcare?) and the use of behavioural science to manipulate compliance. Of more relevance to Lockdown Sceptics, surely, is the threat of a continuation of lockdown [see (2) above]. Meanwhile all print and broadcast media and social media platforms will be working to push the Government line which is ‘we welcome it’. That rings a bell.

Much of the rest of his piece is good enough, which makes that bit look particularly aberrant. I’m concerned also by yet another mention of the idea that the politicians and advisors could be vaccinated first in order to reassure the public. If I were in their shoes I would happily accept a shot of saline solution for the sake of successful grandstanding….

Can I suggest that you consider the Government’s vaccine programme in conjunction with the lockdowns that you’ve hitherto consistently and vigorously opposed? The two policies are joined at the hip, the one sustains the other. Promoting lockdown scepticism without at least querying the CV19 vaccine makes no sense; there is a danger that your advocacy of the first on its own could lead you into a compromised position on the second. Just a thought.

That was on 3 December. I had no reply and Jonathan Barr is still regurgitating lies about “the vaccine”. Shame.
AG

402210 ▶▶▶▶ pingram, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #344 of 1550 🔗

Totally agree MiriamW – however all this started, the vaccine project is now too big to fail and lockdown cannot be considered independently of this. Lockdown itself and, worse, the threat of lockdown is absolutely central to the rolling out of the vaccine. It makes no sense to be a lockdown sceptic and to also ‘welcome’ the vaccine. I was filled with dread when the first vaccine announcement was made because I knew what was coming. I know that when Lockdown sceptics started, it was all about lifting the lockdown, but now it is about making sure that lockdowns, and the threat of lockdowns (as made by Whitty et al about next winter) become utterly unthinkable. Ending lockdown a little bit earlier means nothing to me if all it does is usher in outdoor masking, punitive test and trace and indefinite border closures. Lockdown was just a thing at the start – now it is an ‘ideology’.

402289 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #345 of 1550 🔗

AG this is all SPOT ON! I had another of friends calling bullshit on masks and lockdowns, but rooting for vaccines so that the Covidians would “calm the fuck down”. Every time I explained that vaccines cannot be rolled out to general public until they’ve been through years of trials, they would use this bizarre line about “all the scientists in the world are working on it and they’ve thrown much more money at it.” If I argued that no amount of money or expertise can create a time machine to see what long-term effects would be, they literally blocked their ears. I was horrified… HORRIFIED… that these vaccines were approved for use under “emergency” necessity. For a disease with a 0% chance of survival for which there is absolutely no known or suggested treatment, maybe… MAYBE you give “emergency approval” for those who WANT it. (Some may still rather take their chances in nature.) But to approve a “vaccine” that’s been around a few months with no long-term trials when this virus is serious for such a small proportion of people and there have been very successful trials of other treatments is obscene.

401617 ▶▶ Woden, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #346 of 1550 🔗

Yes, and 7 years knock on effects of lockdowns on mental and physical health, the economy and just life in general will go on much further than 7 years.

402556 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #347 of 1550 🔗

Spot on CnC

401224 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 11, #348 of 1550 🔗

Hmmm, do I have reason to be suspicious? Suddenly I can’t access my twitter account – just says ”something went wrong, try again” and having posted a few comments on my FB account about the need for people to be concerned about ”covid passports” I now seem to be having trouble getting in there as well….!! Looks like I’ve slipped onto the naughty list.

401280 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bigade, 2, #349 of 1550 🔗

Dunno it looks like LS was not working properly this morning either. Was it another Google problem?

401363 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bigade, 1, #350 of 1550 🔗

congratulations, well done

401374 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Major Panic, 2, #351 of 1550 🔗

I’m hardly in the Mike Yeadon league.

401229 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #352 of 1550 🔗

The government’s move to take over the NHS tells us a number of things:

  1. The NHS really has been running the country, with dire political consequences for the Conservative party
  2. The NHS has, through incompetent testing and scare mongering, played a major role in making a crisis out of a common cold coronavirus drama, with dire political consequences for the Conservative party
  3. There is an awareness of the need for root and branch reform of the NHS, dressed up as increased state control, with dire political consequences, either way, for the Conservative party.

I would not be surprised if the Conservative party gets a complete stuffing on 06 May and the SNP, London Mayor, do rather worse than they confidently expect……

401235 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #353 of 1550 🔗

Wonder if the Monster Raving Loony Party are fielding a candidate …

401239 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to kh1485, 10, #354 of 1550 🔗

As it turns out, a majority of the electorate voted for them last time round….

401271 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #355 of 1550 🔗

One thing I can guarantee for certain I will never vote Lib/lab/con/green.

401231 FrankZ, replying to FrankZ, 1, #356 of 1550 🔗

Mike Yeadon’s Twitter account deleted?

Looks as though Mike Yeadon’s Twitter account has been deleted.

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3

Is this is old news and I just hadn’t noticed? I only check his Twitter feed every few days. Has this been covered already?

401234 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FrankZ, 5, #357 of 1550 🔗

Yesterday.It had been hacked and ‘racist’ tweets had been posted on there to discredit him so he has withdrawn from twitter.

401245 ▶▶▶ FrankZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, #358 of 1550 🔗

OK, thank you. Am off the pace! I did look for any news before posting, but couldn’t find any reference to it.

401283 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FrankZ, 14, #359 of 1550 🔗

It can get lost in 2000 comments.He is a brave and honourable man.He has nothing to gain and the way they have smeared and cancelled him shows they have no facts to back their case up.

401273 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #360 of 1550 🔗

While I feel awful for Mike, who is one of the most courageous heroes of our time (and WILL go down in history in that light)… this is encouraging as it shows just how terrified they are of us.

401321 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #361 of 1550 🔗

The series of Tweets Mike sent out last week, were very important and very detailed, about the new variants and how little different they are. So important drastic action seems to have been taken against him.

402565 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #362 of 1550 🔗

I don’t think he WILL go down in history, at all, unless this tyranny is overthrown by non-violent compliance via mass marches etc. And THAT should have happened six months ago.

This is literally a sci-fi totalitarian horror happening right now.

401276 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FrankZ, 11, #363 of 1550 🔗

Was talked about yesterday. Mike had to delete it as some SJW had hacked his account and put some racist shit on there. That’s the way debate ends now, no resolution or counter argument just vitriol and name calling. Another one bites the dust. I have no idea why twitter is seen as so important? Its a cess pool.

402568 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Spikedee1, #364 of 1550 🔗

The ordinary person with the subtlest doubts might stumble upon threads on twitter, not on those other sites.

401232 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #365 of 1550 🔗

Two links of interest. First a twitter thread about the failure of current epidemiological modelling excluding so many variables like seasonality, innate immunity etc.The other link a very interesting newly published article stating the two pandemic waves per year modelling depended on weather models.Our current epidemiologist never discuss seasonality and Fergusson’s model say that without mitigation we will have an enormous wave this summer. This is very important and means you could exit all SD immediately after the wave has gone down. In fact that what we all did in the time of flupandemics.

https://twitter.com/jhaskinscabrera/status/1358158996708941827


https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0037640

Fluid dynamics and epidemiology: Seasonality and transmission dynamics
Epidemic models do not account for the effects of climate conditions on the transmission dynamics of viruses. This study presents the vital relationship between weather seasonality, airborne virus transmission, and pandemic outbreaks over a whole year. Using the data obtained from high-fidelity multi-phase, fluid dynamics simulations, we calculate the concentration rate of Coronavirus particles in contaminated saliva droplets and use it to derive a new Airborne Infection Rate (AIR) index. Combining the simplest form of an epidemiological model, the susceptible–infected–recovered, and the AIR index, we show through data evidence how weather seasonality induces two outbreaks per year, as it is observed with the COVID-19 pandemic worldwide. We present the results for the number of cases and transmission rates for three cities, New York, Paris, and Rio de Janeiro. The results suggest that two pandemic outbreaks per year are inevitable because they are directly linked to what we call weather seasonality. The pandemic outbreaks are associated with changes in temperature, relative humidity, and wind speed independently of the particular season.

401256 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, 8, #366 of 1550 🔗

Clearly Jennifer Cabrera should be running this country……and all the others…..and WHO, the U.N……..

Best comment in the Twitter thread:

It looks like public health departments despite their resources are completely unable to methodically analyze the situation and make data driven decisions.

Do we need them?’

To which there can only be one answer….and how much money would that save….?

401267 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #367 of 1550 🔗

An absolute fascinating thread.

https://twitter.com/federicolois/status/1358258245496930308

 This twitter thread about aerosols 99% of transmission in influenza.This was known in an article from 2014.They did not do any modelling .They exposed people with influenza virus and it is aerosol spread. Do anyone think C-19 acts differently? Explains why masks are useless.

401306 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to swedenborg, 9, #368 of 1550 🔗

Masks, as we all really know, are used as a sign of conformity. If a lot of people stopped using them , the ‘authorities’ would immediately react by imposing new draconian measures on the back of some made up story of new strains etc. Having got them universally used, they will never, ever release this visible sign of control, its just far too useful for them.

401317 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 8, #369 of 1550 🔗

Agree totally, which is why I fear that part of the price we may have to pay for coming out of lockdown will be the compulsory wearing of masks outside. It may well start as ‘in supermarket queues and other crowded places’ but that will be just the thin end of the wedge.

401592 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 2, #370 of 1550 🔗

Many thanks. As you say, an absolutely fascinating thread – and entirely consistent with what anyone can see in the real world.

You’re on fine form today swedenborg.

401233 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 49, #371 of 1550 🔗

Another one of our sceptics mates was harassed while sitting on a bench yesterday. She came to the shop afterwards for a recuperative cup of tea (strictly takeaway of course).

Anyway, it turns out that it was by the same plod that turfed off our dog-walking friends earlier. The funny thing was she hadn’t banked on this friend a) being an ex-copper and b) putting up a rigorous defence of her right to sit on a bench. Plod wasn’t alone in having a go as ‘Max and Paddy’ pitched up also. As our friend pointed out, when the usual crap was given to justify her being moved on, it wasn’t her encouraging a crowd to gather but plod herself. Let’s just say that plod and the ‘Safety’ Ambassadors got more than they bargained for!

401515 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to kh1485, 10, #372 of 1550 🔗

Great! Love it when the plod get a taste of their own medicine. Have you seen the video of the cop harassing a man in a corner shop and the other customers turn on him?

I only wish you weren’t 100s of miles away or I’d be there every day supporting you. My town is depressingly zealot.

401533 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Old Trout, 7, #373 of 1550 🔗

Thanks. Yes, I saw that. They really don’t like it up ’em, do they?

Yep, they really picked on the wrong person!

402570 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Old Trout, #374 of 1550 🔗

In a years time they will be beating the shit out of people who don’t comply.

401896 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 3, #375 of 1550 🔗

They are paid out of the taxpayers’ purse. What is going to happen to them when the economy is collapsed and they are out on their ear in a community that hates the jobsworth guts?

402574 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ken Garoo, #376 of 1550 🔗

The police and other defenders of order will be in a job right up until the end. As for the community hating them, the propaganda will direct anger towards, say, those who refuse the vaccine or some other group… who knows? The sheep will always be led that way, just like they were in the thirties in Germany.

Something I share with the elites in their view of the ordinary person: they probably are scum right enough.

401236 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 3, #377 of 1550 🔗

Re: the article about the severity of the kent variant . The conclusions seem to be different from those in a recent article (preprint Jan 29 2021) about its relative infection rate and severity :
The effect of SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.7 on symptomatology, re-infection and transmissibility (medrxiv.org)

To quote the conclusions :
Conclusions
We examined the effect of SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.1.7 on the symptoms, disease course, rates of reinfection, and transmissibility in the UK. We found no change in symptoms and no increase in overall disease severity. We found a low rate of reinfection (0.7%) and no evidence of increased rates associated with B.1.1.7. We found an increase in R(t) of ~ 1.38 (95% CI 1.06-1.71), but evidence that lockdown measures are effective even in regions with very high (>80%) proportions of B.1.1.7.

I rather disagree with their final comments about lockdowns however because their own charts do not (IMO) seem to support this conclusion.

401258 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to mikewaite, #378 of 1550 🔗

Thanks. That looks interesting. I’ll have a read of it later.

401248 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 29, #379 of 1550 🔗

Hi everyone.

A few days ago I had an altercation with a guy in a shop. As I walked past (maskless) he sprang out of the way – terrified of me.

I quipped that “I must be contagious!”

He replied “You just don’t give a fuck! I work with 80 year olds!”

I countered “If you care about them so much, you’ll tell them about this meeting and not go and see them won’t you? Anyway I’ve done my research on masks and they do nothing”

He walked out with his wares muttering “You’ve done your research!” in a ‘5G conspiracy’ way.

Anyway, I found myself interviewing Dr Nicola Ridgeway for the podcast about mental health and the government’s messaging around Covid. This altercation came up. If you get a moment to listen it will be out next week and feature in the roundup on this site.

Until then you can listen to the last episode (we’re now nearly 120th in podcast rankings in the UK for ‘News’. I’m really proud of what we’re doing.

Have a nice Sunday. Keep it real. Go and see people. Take off the masks. Live your lives.

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7584277-ep-18-politics-science-europe-and-hope

402579 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #380 of 1550 🔗

When he says he works with 80 year olds, he means he locks them up for a living and that they ought to be fucking grateful for it.

Amongst all this disgusting virtue signalling toward the elderly I know for sure there are a significant minority who want their parents to die off quickly so they can inherit their money.

Now, this article was being promoted all today: Doctor’s guilt at not seeing her mother for 6 months before she died (msn.com)

I would describe the morality of this woman as literally evil, abandoning her mother. She also celebrates the palming off of her child onto someone else. Modern mothers like her have too much important stuff to do rather than fucking around looking after their own children.

401253 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 39, #381 of 1550 🔗

Have ya caught on yet? It’s not going to stop! This is the new normal, covid19, a virus that doesn’t officially exist, is a super virus, the most contagious virulent virus that has ever been, since the beginning of the universe, meaning we can never go outdoors again! It is so deadly most people don’t know they have it, with only a 99.95% – 99.999% SURVIVAL RATE. No wonder people are so scared.

Yes its bollocks, allowing the technocrats to get away with it once means they will never to let go now. They aim for an impossible goal, zero covid! The writing was on the wall. This was building pressure for decades, the war against nature continues. When the vaccines fail and they will, most likely be no more effective than the seasonal flu vaccine. Will they go the next step? A cull to save lives, shut the hospitals to save the NHS, kill the poor & homeless to stop the spread, put down the grand children to save granny!

There is only one way to end this lunacy, revolution, only problem is we still have to persuade 80% of the population to grow a pair & live. I say shut the banks burn the cash, that’ll bring em come out scavenging for food, the dirty little super spreaders.

Anyone else sick of this idiocy yet?

401339 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #382 of 1550 🔗

The problem is that UBI will replace furlough and not enough people feel desperate enough to do anything about anything.
As has been pointed out many times, in this sort of abusive relationship between governed and governors , the abused rarely rise up because they are ‘cared for’ by the abuser.
Ultimately the vast majority are selfish. They would rather very slowly be ‘boiled’ if their remaining lives were reasonably comfortable rather than become ‘uncomfortable’ by helping to improve the lot of others.
Its why the pyschology employed works so well. The selfish persuade them selves they are being ‘selfless’ by saving society, when in fact the reverse is true.
I try every day to do something to disturb this situation, however small. But its a losing fight, this has been very well thought through, they have us and I am beginnning to lose hope. A ‘chemical’ prison is very hard to break out of.
Turning more and more to wondering where in the world will be the least worse place to see out our days.

401349 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to peyrole, 8, #383 of 1550 🔗

“Its why the pyschology employed works so well. The selfish persuade them selves they are being ‘selfless’ by saving society, when in fact the reverse is true.”

Nice.

401369 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to peyrole, 9, #384 of 1550 🔗

It’s not just a chemical prison.The coming engineered financial crash will usher in a digital currency.
The Chinese social credit system is our future.If you misbehave or have the wrong opinions then your life can be cut off with a press of a button.

402583 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jonathan Palmer, #385 of 1550 🔗

It will be based on Identity Politics Totalitarianism so the millennials and z will just LOVE it.

402581 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to peyrole, #386 of 1550 🔗

You won’t be able to leave the United Kingdom for ten years, so forget it. At the moment there are exceptions so leave now.

402582 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to peyrole, #387 of 1550 🔗

You won’t be able to leave the United Kingdom for ten years, so forget it. At the moment there are exceptions so leave now for a farmstead in Idaho or somewhere where they can’t find you and jab you so soon. Other than that, somewhere that doesn’t have an efficient ‘welfare’ state, like Mexico or somewhere.

401353 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #388 of 1550 🔗

Oh yes. But, as you say, it all comes down to money – they don’t give a flying f**k about this rather odd notion of liberty. As long as they get their Waitrose deliveries and can get a coffee, they don’t give a shit.

The only time I ever saw a flicker of horror in someone’s eyes is when I pointed out to her that they’d be coming for her money next. The response: “oh, I hope not”. So, according to this woman, it’s OK for my business to be thrown under the bus but people like her should be unscathed. We’re all in this together, my backside!

401442 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to kh1485, 7, #389 of 1550 🔗

The only time I ever saw a flicker of horror in someone’s eyes is when I pointed out to her that they’d be coming for her money next. The response: “oh, I hope not”.

They will be coming for the money. All that money saved from annual season tickets due to WFH. The banks are being told to prepare for negative interest rates.

401924 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #390 of 1550 🔗

She’ll do a massive U turn when they come for her pensions and savings. Or they fall in value the longer prime real estate remains unoccupied due to WFH and more shops & hospitality closing down for good.

401255 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 6, #391 of 1550 🔗

Are there many businesses in your area which have gone bust solely due to lockdown and were perfectly healthy prior to lockdown.

401504 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ianric, 4, #392 of 1550 🔗

At least 3 in a very small town have definitely gone bust, but I expect a lot more, as being a tourist town, we have a lot of pubs and tea shops.

401925 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ianric, 1, #393 of 1550 🔗

None in my local area because the high street was decimated even before Mr Bart & I moved in but definitely loads in central London – one half of Regent Street now has shops that have closed for good and are boarded up.

401260 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #394 of 1550 🔗

Well, those nice ‘concerned’ technocrats are at it again, aren’t they? The ‘Grand Royal Enquiry’ into this shitshow will never happen. Not properly.

DM: The day anthrax was released on the Northern Line

https://mol.im/a/9231773

401615 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #395 of 1550 🔗

Norman Baker is a brave investigative journalist who has used his former position as an MP to expose much evildoing which the good chaps who rule us would rather we didn’t know about. And yet the reservoir of unconditional trust which the people of this country seem willing to invest in the benevolent intentions of Government seems to be utterly inexhaustible.

401734 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #396 of 1550 🔗

He was MP for Lewes, next door to me. Wrong party, but perfectly suited to the people who lived there I thought. We call it ‘Death Valley’ now. The whole town LOVES lockdown. Actually I’ve been to Death Valley, and it’s one of the wonders of the world. Lewes isn’t.

401898 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #397 of 1550 🔗

Inquiries are always held under the leadership of a ‘safe pair of hands’ restricted by a narrow remit.

401270 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #398 of 1550 🔗

There is and was no such push for (WHO-redefined) “herd immunity” in respect to Influenza. There are a whole year’s mortality figures available now – is Covid-19 any more of a killer than flu? What is the median mortality age for flu normally? Is it less than 82.4 in the UK? Why then do we need this new herd immunity by vaccination for Covid-19? It’s nonsensical.

401300 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #399 of 1550 🔗

The question needs answered then. Why do we need to vaccinate those who have had the virus and developed strong immunity naturally?

It’s a control infrastructure

401436 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #400 of 1550 🔗

That is even more unhinged, vaccinating those who have already had it and have natural immunity.

A cloak of invisibility has been cast by the Medical Dictatorship over:-

  • T-Cells
  • Vitamin D3
  • HCQ
  • Ivermectin
  • Median mortality age of Covid-associated deaths
  • BMI of younger ICU patients
  • FPR
  • Where’s Flu gone?
  • Lack of cancer screening and treatment
  • What actually happened in April
  • The point of the Potemkin hospitals
  • Sweden
  • etc.
401285 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #401 of 1550 🔗

Remember Track and Trace? Is Dido Harding still getting paid for this?

Latimer Alder (@latimeralder) Tweeted:
How can the government have spent £22,000,000,000 on the Track and Trace Programme?

There are only 68,000,000 people in the country.

Even if they rang everybody, that’d be £325 per person.

Where did our money go?

https://twitter.com/latimeralder/status/1357953952931840000?s=20

401290 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Margaret, 4, #402 of 1550 🔗

They have very laaarge pockets! Don’t you worry – they are good at stealing and don’t bear any responsibility! The money are in good hands now.

401445 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Margaret, 8, #403 of 1550 🔗

Billing Back Better.

401577 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Margaret, 2, #404 of 1550 🔗

But don’t forget, the system was so well organised they were often ringing individual people and households multiple times over the same ‘incident’. In an ATL article a few months ago, a contact tracer whistleblower revealed all about the chaos behind the scenes.

Put simply, if a group of four people had been in proximity to someone with a +ve test result, contacting them would likely be assigned to four different tracer staff members who would then tell them what they should do about being tested and isolating, and ask them to provide details of whom they’d been associating with at the time so those people could be contacted. The details given would of course be for the other four people in the original group (who by then would have already been contacted).

Those details would be followed up by four more contact tracers who would each proceed to phone up the four people again to explain procedures and to ask for details. Even if the people said they had already been contacted, the tracers couldn’t take that for an answer as they had ‘tick boxes’ to fill in. And so it went on……each person would receive four lengthy calls from ‘track and trace’ over one incident. That’s just one hypothetical example. Even people within the same household were each individually being phoned up several times within minutes by different tracers. I seem to recall that some households had received in the order of a dozen calls.

401670 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #405 of 1550 🔗

In Germany the local health authority does the contact tracing. Saves a lot of money as they use existing staff, although in some places they drafted soldiers in to help, but again, they are already getting paid for sitting around.

They did not write new software at a huge cost (it has been in the press recently that their IT is absolutely outdated with some even relying on fax machines), and I guess they do not make unnecessary phone calls to the same family as they have access to data which the tracing management here won’t have.
Still, they make hilarious mistakes like telling people in a letter with quarantining instructions, which is standard to do it by letter, a date which finishes their quarantine days before receiving the letter.

401900 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Silke David, 3, #406 of 1550 🔗

Yes, Silke. I joined the UK civil service in1982 when we still relied on paper communications, strictly maintained archived document filing systems and, most importantly, cognitive awareness, lateral thinking and common sense. Even the most complex nationwide systems worked well and efficiently and if a shortcoming was identified it could be put right overnight.

Computer based systems are only as good as the knowledge and intelligence of a small team of programmers allows and, once up and running, cannot be readily adjusted. Any changes mean having to re-train thousands of data collectors.

The expression “Computer says…” is often used satirically to refer to people who can’t think beyond what a computer screen tells them to do and, sadly, there are too many people who fall into that category because they either don’t have the intellectual capacity to react to problems or they have no choice but to do what the computer screen tells them..

401932 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, 1, #407 of 1550 🔗

UK local environmental health teams are already well geared up to do this but HMG rejected their offer of help, presumably because it wasn’t lucrative for their chums.

402070 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Margaret, #408 of 1550 🔗

Baroness Harding to the likes of you!

401292 BeBopRockSteady, 25, #409 of 1550 🔗

The vaccine passports we would not have. And people still have trust in this shower?

The passports are a sign we will no longer be born free in even a limited sense. We are deemed a risk and indeed a criminal until we can prove to the state we meet their criteria otherwise.

If people can t see how important that is, just so they can get to their holiday home on the Costa del Sol, they are pathetic human beings.

401294 Cecil B, 46, #410 of 1550 🔗

They lock up our children and grandchildren. They abuse our elderly in care homes. The hit us with batons, arrest and fine us. They lock us in our homes. They close the schools. They take our jobs and inflict financial ruin on us

And then, and then, wait for it, they have the shear fucking brass neck to accuse us of being conspiracy theorists

401295 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #411 of 1550 🔗

Has anyone done this – seems quite measured?

https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation

My risk of a Covid-associated death (nice semantics guys) is nearly 1 in 8000. Hold that jab.

401310 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #412 of 1550 🔗

Interesting but in order to assess the risk properly surely one would need to know the risk of dying or being hospitalised for any reason other than covid (preferably based on 2019 data as the stats are so distorted this year)

Then you’d be able to assess the risk ADDED by covid

401455 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Julian, 1, #413 of 1550 🔗

Yes that would be a good comparator. Must be something out there already – will have a look.

401416 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #414 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for this.

Mine is nearly 1 in 11,000. Going to calculate hubby as I am sure he will be pressured at work to be vaxxed.

401451 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #415 of 1550 🔗

Similar to the odds of being injured by a toilet — 1 in 10,000.

401501 ▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #416 of 1550 🔗

Believe it or not my other half has been injured by a toilet….dont ask!!

401597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Trout, 6, #417 of 1550 🔗

I bet he keeps the lid on that one.

401477 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #418 of 1550 🔗

Interesting, according to that I have a 1 in 32,000 chance and I’m one of the target age groups for the vaxx (over 50s) !

401541 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Trout, 3, #419 of 1550 🔗

Ridiculous ain’t it? Better protect the NHS and steer clear of a dodgy vaccine that might put you in the hospital.

401566 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #420 of 1550 🔗

Interesting calculator.

Haven’t looked at it that carefully.

It’s based on 3 months risk during the first wave period.

How would that compare with future risk now? Hard to say. But I would say the calculated risk is significantly greater than the future risk of dying FROM covid (as opposed to dying with SARS-C0V-2).

So if you think the vaccine risks exceed that calculated risk, then that’s a reason not to get vaccinated.

402245 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Freecumbria, #421 of 1550 🔗

Well the crude case fatality rate was 20% in April 2020, and had dropped to 2% by September. I guess it is something like 0.2% now (changes in definition aside).

402313 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ken Garoo, #422 of 1550 🔗

The calculator is working out the probability of getting the virus and dying in the 3 months of the first wave, rather than the probability of dying of covid given you test positive for the virus in the first 3 months of the wave.

20% sounds like the former rather than the latter so isn’t comparable to the calculator results.

401599 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #423 of 1550 🔗

Interesting that my absolute risk with no risk factors is greater than my absolute risk (relative risk 0.72). Guess that is because weight is not categorised as a risk factor, so as I’m not overweight it brings down my absolute risk calculation below the absolute risk with no risk factors?

401674 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #424 of 1550 🔗

They do ask for your height and weight to calculate your BMI so they must be factoring that in somewhere. Strangely though I have no risk factors (unless they think my BMI is too low lol) my absolute risk is 13% higher than my “perfect” peer. The reverse is true though on hospitalisation risk. Postcode lottery?

401683 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #425 of 1550 🔗

Yep put in a random Cornish postcode and it shrank the relative risk down to 4% higher. Pollution? Stress of living in the SE? Worse hospitals? Ambulance response times? All true.

401746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #426 of 1550 🔗

Even a not very healthy 82 yr old woman comes up as better than 1 in 500. I turned every dial up to 11 (90 yr old morbidly obese Pakistani living in a Gorbals care home dying of everything and that came up with a 1 in 1 chance of a Covid Checkout. Not losing many QALYs mind.

401652 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #427 of 1550 🔗

I think this is the study on which it is based

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3731

401705 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #428 of 1550 🔗

1 in 12195 for me – that is with two boxes ticked (asthma and epilepsy)

401906 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #429 of 1550 🔗

Whether you’ve had covid already or think you’ve had it already will affect the odds massively also.

If you’ve had symptoms and tested positive for SARS-C0V-2 at the same time and recovered, then your chances of dying in the future are perhaps at a complete guess a factor of 10 times lower than the calculator, so a 1 in 10,000 from the calculator is perhaps a 1 in 100,000 future risk really although that’s guesswork.

If you don’t think you’ve had covid, have never had symptoms, and you don’t live with someone who has had covid then the calculator odds may be of the right sort of order. I say that on the basis that at the start of the first wave period when they calculated the odds, pretty much nobody had already had covid, and on an assumption that the risk for the period covered by the calculator is equivalent to the future risk for this category perhaps.

401296 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 30, #430 of 1550 🔗

Vaxx Passport for all ages? Why only for covid and not for flu? Should annual flu jab become also compulsory? What about tuberculosis or other communicable diseases? Would they require the Ebola, Hantavirus, Hepatitis (A, B) vaxx also on the passport? Why vaxx passport if after the vaxx we are still required to wear face masks? What the f is going on? Where is this world going?
The lockdowns are forever because is not about health, is about control!

401303 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheClone, 12, #431 of 1550 🔗

I just posted the same complaint. Covid is just another flu and you can’t eradicate the flu. You can’t eradicate e.coli or bacteria. These organisms are a part of the landscape.

401325 ▶▶ dpj, replying to TheClone, 15, #432 of 1550 🔗

As far as I can see governments are now controlled by legalised drug dealers. They’ve taken away everyone’s freedoms and if you want them back you have to become a registered user of their product. If you refuse then no more holidays, football games, concerts etc

401334 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to dpj, 12, #433 of 1550 🔗

Exactly. I’ve been saying this for years. Even a cursory look into how BigPharma operates should strike fear into the most ardent pill popper.

401499 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheClone, 8, #434 of 1550 🔗

I think we should really have a war on Herpes, cold sores can be pretty nasty. £10000 fines for unauthorised contact without the correct documents.

Minor offences could be created for conducting oral sex, sharing a bottle, a glass, a cigarette. A tiered system of fines and mandatory segregation of asymptomatic and especially the symptomatic.

Mandatory testing for the herpes simplex virus should be rolled out across the globe.

It’s time to aim for zero Herpes.

402253 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to TheClone, #435 of 1550 🔗

Vaccination doesn’t stop the vaccinated catching covid, or passing it on to others. The vaccinated may actually become the fabled asymptomatic carriers.

BTW Israel leading the world in vaccination levels is faced with increasing cases. It is also overloaded with cases of the British Strain (TM)(Pat Pend).

Translate: https://www.maariv.co.il/corona/corona-israel/Article-818246

401297 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 11, #436 of 1550 🔗

LDS seems to support Vaxx, Vaxx, Vaxx.

Nary a contrarian viewpoint.

There is no reason for mass vaxx’s and no reason for a vaxx passport. None. The vaxx poison is genomic changing and experimental. For the under 70s who have normal immune systems it is pointless.

So why the vaxx passport? And how many do you need? One for each ‘variant’ ie a jab every 3 months and an updated stamp ? Why is the same logic not applied to Dengue, Malaria, TB, Diarrhoea, Sars 1, H1 N1….??

401305 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to FerdIII, 3, #437 of 1550 🔗

There are two reasons: to control the populace and more money for the unaccountable scum.

401338 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 4, #438 of 1550 🔗

But think of all that money the Covid scandemic is providing for the political class as they think of more and more ways to enrich themselves at the expense of our freedoms. I’m afraid there is only one way to end this farce but until the majority wake up and we fight back, life as we knew it has ended.

401302 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 13, #439 of 1550 🔗

My advice for boris, hancock, whitty and valance – don’t walk alone in a dark alley at night. For your own safety! We might be close!

401330 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheClone, 10, #440 of 1550 🔗

I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if I read they had been found bludgeoned to death, nor would I shed a tear.

401545 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #441 of 1550 🔗

I might open one of my better wines though.

401571 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #442 of 1550 🔗

I’m with you on that. I have shocked myself at just how murderous I feel and have wished a nasty death on those responsible many a time. I see the mental health of my son ( let alone myself) going down the pan and I despise them with every fibre of my being.

401304 swedenborg, 8, #443 of 1550 🔗

Interesting but perhaps not surprising that these non immunity factors have a role
https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13054-020-03223-8
 Blood type A associates with critical COVID-19 and death in a Swedish cohort
In conclusion, we show that blood type A or AB is associated with an increased risk of requiring critical care or dying of COVID-19 in the Swedish population. Taken together, with previously published data, this indicates that blood group A is a risk factor for disease severity and death in COVID-19 irrespective of the genetic background

401313 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 16, #444 of 1550 🔗

Re: Mike Yeadon’s account.. Has anyone yet complained to Twitter about George Monbiot? I mean really, regardless of the veracity of the alleged origin of the content, (which obviously I think is extremely suspect), the link to that filth surely needs to be removed. Retweeting something with screen grabs of content since deleted, surely still violates twitter’s policies.

And as to George there’s a host of legislation which can either be invoked by Yeadon himself, or indeed by other Twitter users. Not least of which must surely be the Malicious Communications Act? There’s also some tasty Tort angles to all this. Rationally I could see that Yeadon wouldn’t want to lay open the entirety of his digital life to pursue a criminal conviction, (although recent developments on rape prosecutions suggest this wouldn’t be necessary), but surely it’s encumbant on both Twitter and Monbiot to do their due diligence with regard to the likelihood of those tweets being actually Yeadon’s content*, and then acting to stop him incurring financial losses resulting from (a.) Twitter’s poor security, and (b.) Monbiot’s use of his public platform to defame a public figure.

The principle must surely stand that you go after the idea, not the person, and that examining someone’s character using something as flimsy as a blog from some nobody from Crewe to defame them is really unacceptable.

Sadly I cannot pursue this as I use my Twitter account to insult Matt Hancock and others, through I have always applied the balance of probabilities scale, before I go on a particular spree. (I think the DSM would support my perspective that he’s a psychopath). And once he was revealed to be using films to map out his pandemic response, I think everyone who speculated how he got his job was allowed to do so.

But Monbiot is a public figure in a way that Yeadon isn’t, and so one could argue has a duty of care to not opportunistically use 3rd hand and questionable information with which to vilify him as a route by which to shut down free speech.

So, if no one has yet, but wants to. Please let me know how it goes.

*Surely, George must have read Yeadon’s bio and thought to himself, “How likely is it that Pfizer wouldn’t have done its due diligence on this one and picked up these tweets stretching back to 2012?” Hopefully George contacted Yeadon to verify. Hopefully George contacted the blogger from Crewe to ask if he’d done his due diligence?

If people like George Monbiot and this blogger truly do want the press to be free, (or even to be paid for by philanthrocapilitalists), they have to act with a minimum of responsibility and decorum?

401337 ▶▶ alw, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #445 of 1550 🔗

Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003

“127 Improper use of public electronic communications network (1) A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
(b) causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
(2) A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
(b) causes such a message to be sent; or
(c) persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.
(4) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to anything done in the course of providing a programme service (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1990 (c. 42)).”
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127/2003-12-29

401536 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #446 of 1550 🔗

Excellent post. I wonder if the Free Speech Union has an angle on this. It’s not exactly a free speech matter, but it gets close.

402589 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #447 of 1550 🔗

IF we get through this and Gates, Fauci and Ferguson et al are put on trial to account for crimes against humanity.

And I MEAN that. That is the ONLY end other than the introduction of a totalitarian system as they have gone so far now in their crimes against humanity.

401316 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 27, #448 of 1550 🔗

Interesting.Why can’t we have a serious debate on Israel vaccination campaign on LD sceptics? There are both positive and negative reports about the most effective vaccination campaign in the world.
Can anyone explain the control group the Palestinians?

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1358290308757409794

 OMG. THE PALESTINIANS HAVEN’T BEEN VACCINATED. Cases and deaths in Palestine have fallen 70% since Dec. 19, when the Israelis began their vaccination campaign. Cases in Israel have tripled, deaths have quadrupled

401341 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to swedenborg, 21, #450 of 1550 🔗

It’ll be a short debate for me. This is going to be a scandal like the Tuskegee/Thalidomide etc. The fact that Israel couldn’t see this coming shocks me, but what is beautifully ironic is that in a rush to preserve the life of its ancient rabbis, it took a gene therapy invented by a Muslim Turk living in Germany, and injected it into everyone., But excluded the least valuable who will of course transpire to be the more fertile and healthier cohort in the coming decades.

And all those oldies will be gone. And this is the power of making people distrust dissent and scepticism. They would rather trust a Pharmaceutical company than trust their history. Surely, waiting would have been better? Surely the Jewish people have sacrificed enough of their people to medical experimentation to last an eternity? And surely the point of Nuremberg was to pact with this race that medicalised, chemical genocide and experimentation would never again happen? That we would never forget it’s victims, and memorialise them by protecting their descendants and others from it happening again?

And yet here we are with history repeating itself. But this time it’s not a nation but a corporation declaring war on people, and this time the Jewish people will be silenced by the fact that their own hysterical government conspired up make it happen. It’s all rather tragic.

402590 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TheHandbag, #451 of 1550 🔗

Don’t think the elites in their country care about their people at all. They know what they are doing tho.

401382 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #452 of 1550 🔗

Interesting – so for the best efficacy – don’t vaccinate yourself, have your neighbours vaccinated

401450 ▶▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Major Panic, 4, #453 of 1550 🔗

Both of my neighbours took the jab, good of them.

401394 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 4, #454 of 1550 🔗

Just playing devil’s advocate here… I’m assuming the Palestinians don’t have equivalent access to healthcare, testing etc. Not that it is doing them any harm per se but could help explain wild differences in numbers.

401319 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 15, #455 of 1550 🔗

Zero Covid

Zero Carbon

Zero life….

402064 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to LMS2, #456 of 1550 🔗

Indeed CO2 levels are not much above extinction level now (150 ppm). We’ve had some ‘close run things’ in the recent past.

401320 Mr Taxpayer, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 17, #457 of 1550 🔗

On vaccination passports…
Any business requiring patrons to show a vaccination passport must logically have had all its staff vaccinated as well. So take Warner Leisure, SAGA Holidays and all the companies that advertise on ITV3; their patrons are mainly elderly and will all have been vaccinated within the next few weeks. All their staff are young and healthy and will be last on the list for vaccination. So how is that going to work?
Also, when an employer requires you to be vaccinated with an experimental vaccine that the is still in clinical trial, the employer must first produce a work-place risk assessment that shows that there is a credible risk to its staff and patrons and that an experimental medical treatment is the most reasonably practicable control measure. Secondly, the employer will bear the civil liability for any and all harm that may arise. Somehow I can’t see Tim Martin wanting to pick up the bill for Pfizer’s side effects on the staff at ‘Spoons.

401385 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Mr Taxpayer, 12, #458 of 1550 🔗

On the vaccination guidance posted on here earlier it states that types of people for whom the vaccine is inadvisable such as pregnant women and those who have allergic reactions etc. So how are companies planning on vaccinating all their employees or requiring customers going to get round this?

They’re not ….. Companies like Saga are just floating virtue signals and will come unstuck.

401324 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 13, #459 of 1550 🔗

Follow the Science; Believe the Science; Science is good….
That’ll be “the Science” that created:

TNT
DDT
Sarin
Mustard Gas
CFC’s
Land Mines
Dirty Bombs
Napalm
The Hydrogen Bomb
The Atom Bomb

just scratching the surface.

Fuck science and scientists.

401383 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to vargas99, 1, #460 of 1550 🔗
401576 ▶▶ Annie, replying to vargas99, 8, #461 of 1550 🔗

Don’t be silly. There’s science, which is concerned with
investigating the nature of the universe and is morally neutral, and there’s the application of science. The application of science has resulted in many evils, and also in untold good for the human race.
Try thinking your way back to the days before anaesthetics. Just for starters.

402058 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 1, #462 of 1550 🔗

Or drains (to lower the tone).

401326 fiery, replying to fiery, 45, #463 of 1550 🔗

A couple of days ago I posted about my Mum who is in the early stages of Alzheimer’s refusing the Covid vaccine after being contacted twice and her GPs surgery phoning my Dad about sending a nurse to the house to persuade her. I felt this was very underhand as my Mum still has capacity and has never particularly liked vaccines or any medication. She has no other health issues.
According to my Dad this is what happened yesterday:

A Doctor and Nurse arrived at the house and my Mum informed them she didn’t want the vaccine. The following conversation too place.

Doctor. ‘ I think you should have it.’
Nurse. ‘ I think you should have it.’
Dad. ‘ I think you should have it.’
Mum. ‘ Oh alright then. ‘

The vaccine was promptly administered

I know there’s a fine line between persuasion and coercion but this was definitely medical tyranny and seems very sinister.

401336 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to fiery, 29, #464 of 1550 🔗

Please take your story to the Daily Mail immediately. This is illegal and you need to expose these actions and get help.

401368 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #465 of 1550 🔗

Seconded. I’m assuming they neglected to point out the experimental nature of the jab, & the fact it is still officially in trial phase (til 2023).
Get names & titles and keep a record of who did what, and exactly when, and go public. also it’s possible to complain to the GMC (General Medical Council) that said Dr & Nurse acted in a way that you deem inappropriate, but also their responsibilities under the Nuremberg code.
See the vids by Dr Coleman & Rachel Elnaugh posted here the last couple of days, if you haven’t already.

401344 ▶▶ alw, replying to fiery, 32, #466 of 1550 🔗

after nine texts and one letter. Got letter from GP practice (template) asking me to let them know whether I wanted vaccine. Emailed back.

Thank you for your letter about the Covid vaccination.

At the current time I do not wish to have the vaccination. I will reconsider my options as next winter approaches and hopefully when we will have some peer reviewed and reliable data about the vaccination. I am fully aware that the virus is real and has consequences for those who have underlying health conditions and have made a decision which is right for my circumstances.”

401467 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to alw, 5, #467 of 1550 🔗

That’s really persistent. I’ve never given my GPs surgery my mobile number or email address. Any letters that look as though they’re from the NHS are being returned marked ‘ no longer at this address’.

401829 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to alw, 1, #468 of 1550 🔗

Your final paragraph is essentially the way I feel too.

401372 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to fiery, 10, #469 of 1550 🔗

Needs reporting to the GMC and RCN.

401459 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #470 of 1550 🔗

Thanks – I’m certainly going to be making a complaint.

401391 ▶▶ Janette, replying to fiery, 2, #471 of 1550 🔗

Yes I agree it does

401567 ▶▶ Annie, replying to fiery, 6, #472 of 1550 🔗

Sorry, but I think she,d have held out if Dad hadn’t joined the bullies.

401595 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 2, #473 of 1550 🔗

And unfortunately, Medical Protection’s smartarse specialist lawyers will use Dad’s no doubt well-intentioned actions to drive a coach and horses through any attempted legal action.

401614 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Annie, 3, #474 of 1550 🔗

It’s difficult to say but it certainly didn’t help although they’d have used her Alzheimer’s diagnosis and the fact my Dad has power of attorney if she’d continued to hold out.

402143 ▶▶▶▶ pingram, replying to fiery, 1, #475 of 1550 🔗

Hi Fiery, I hope your Mum is OK. Was it finanancial or medical power of attorney? We have financial PoA for our Dad and were advised by a medical professional once to get medical PoA as it ‘makes things easier’. For whom? I wondered. A diagnosis of Alzheimer’s absolutely does not equate with lack of mental capacity unless that can be demonstrated, and even if it could be, any mitigating factors to assist decision-making have to be a explored and once they are exhausted, a process of ‘best interests’ has to be followed, and that should include previously expressed attitudes and wishes of the individual – it’s at the top of this checklist https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/mental-capacity-act-2005/best-interests . If I were administering a vaccine I would want to be sure I had informed consent for my own peace of mind, but perhaps that’s why I am not doing that job!

401329 PastImperfect, 2, #476 of 1550 🔗
401333 CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #477 of 1550 🔗

If you live on Twitter, you will die on Twitter. The ONLY way out of this is to break the hideous spell cast over MPs. KEEP writing, KEEP up the pressure… DEMAND answers. Keep sending evidence. Keep questioning. Keep bombarding them. They MUST start telling the truth and start to turn on those who have lied to them. This is the only way! We hold THEM to account. They do not hold US to account.

401335 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #478 of 1550 🔗

Oooh, it’s snowing

401387 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #479 of 1550 🔗

Be careful out there, it may be the deadly mutant snow from the east. Just be glad Imperial don’t do the weather forecasts!

401673 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Paulus, 2, #480 of 1550 🔗

It’s Evil Russian snow from Evil Russia- “Beast From The East” back in the narrative again, I noted.

401342 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #481 of 1550 🔗

Any Incompetence Theorist feel like explaining away the vaccine passport?

Predicted from the very beginning.

401348 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, 4, #482 of 1550 🔗

Look up Microsoft ID2020.

402643 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Londo Mollari, #483 of 1550 🔗

Yup. ALL planned

401358 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 13, #484 of 1550 🔗

I think those that still believe this is down to incompetence do so because they cannot deal with the enormity of what has happened and if you believe it’s all one big cock up,then you can hope we will get back to normal one day.

401381 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #485 of 1550 🔗

Who believes it is all “one big cock-up”? Please name them.

I don’t think it’s all one big cock up and I don’t know many here who do, and I do not for a minute believe it is likely we will get fully back to normal for decades, for many reasons – not the least of which is that scaring people opens a pandora’s box that cannot easily be closed

I am sadly very aware of the enormity of what has happened, but I think it’s a complex situation and no-one can know or explain it fully

My current pet theory is that SAGE are running the country with the help of Gove and Hancock who have gone power mad and the PM who has no balls. But I fully admit I could be wrong

I think most of what the govt is doing can be explained by this, and by politics. I find Germany a lot more troubling because Merkel always seemed to me a more sensible politician than the PM and Germany have had little excess death so you’d think the govt had more room to declare victory. I wish I knew more.

401398 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 13, #486 of 1550 🔗

Toby,Peter Hitchens to name the 2 most prominent.John P on here.
I disagree with your assessment.
Lockdown was a political act and science was made to fit the narrative.Sage never even discussed lockdown up to March 17..They we’re content to see the results of the limited measures that were put in place.The science is following the government not the other way.
Remember the graphs of doom and the current variant scares.They are there to justify government actions not lead it.You have been taken in by the libertarian,good cop Johnson who doesn’t really want to lock us up act.
As for Germany there was a very illuminating comment on here last night.Due to the court case there has been a release of emails that show the German government were touting for worst case scenario models,to justify a lockdown.

401407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #487 of 1550 🔗

I think TY and PH have made pretty clear that what the govt is doing is dishonest and not well motivated – hardly “cock up”.

I despise the PM and have never believed him a libertarian. He’s a terrible leader and probably evil

As for SAGE, they may not have pushed lockdown to start with but they soon got on board and have always been pushing the “pandemic”. Who knows whether they are being used or the other way round

But yes, I did see that news on Germany and it is worrying

401444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 8, #488 of 1550 🔗

Peter Hitchens has made it clear that unless he sees written proof of a conspiracy that he would not believe it.He sees it as normal government practice.Toby negates it because he cannot see a reason for it.As for sage do you think if they were not doing the governments bidding they would be allowed on the media.They are civil servants and there is a code for that sort of thing.
Do not take it personal,we are allies and in the coming months we will need each other

401810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #489 of 1550 🔗

Actually, I err on the side of gross incompetence. Yes, for sure, they have a ‘plan’ but their lack of brain cells has seen them fuck the whole thing up hence the lie, upon lie, upon lie, upon lie, to cover up their idiocy. Hence the Govt pouring millions of pounds into the MSM to output industrial levels of propaganda – it’s a form of smoke screening. I agree this is not about a seasonal respiratory virus more, I think, Johnson was hoping to achieve what his mate Orban did in Hungary, crown himself dictator and giving himself power for life. Only Johnson is stupid, ignorant and ridiculous. So, yes, they had a plan, but are totally incapable of executing it so they have to rely on waging psychological warfare on their own citizens, locking them up continuously and removing their rights to try to grab power any way they can. Personally, I don’t see any ‘conspiracy’ per se. Early on in my career I had the good fortune to work for a very enlightened manager. He said the trick to managing complex cases is to keep it simple. Don’t complicate it. Just look at the simple truth which the evidence can support. The danger is, once you start to step outside of the core of a matter (which is simple) you get bogged down into all sorts of assumptions. Keep it simple. That is, this Government are the most corrupt Govt in UK parliamentary history. In their GE Manifesto it was already set out – limiting the role of Parliament, limiting the role of the judiciary, giving the mega rich further tax cuts and a lot more. It was all there in plain sight.

They are now the Govt. CV19 offered them an opportunity to make an unashamed grab for power but they have fucked it up due to being so intellectually challenged they are scrabbling around to fix it and can’t. The data is against them. The truth is against them. I suggest leaving aside what is going on in other NATO countries around the world and concentrate on the monumental cock up this Govt has made of our economy, of Brexit and more. They have told so many lies they are unable to find a way out of it. Let’s remember that there are many countries around the world who haven’t taken this sort of action and are doing o.k. Keep it simple. Keep it true. The Govt is waging psychological warfare on its citizens to protect themselves. We now have the most draconian measures in place than anywhere in the world. Focus on that. Europe will recover as it is now mostly open. We won’t whilst we have this lot in power. Forget the WEF. Focus on the here and now.

402610 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jo Dominich, #490 of 1550 🔗

There is literally so much evidence: https://humansarefree.com/2020/09/proof-covid-19-planned-new-world-order.html

It’s a plan, isn’t it?

401490 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 7, #491 of 1550 🔗

It is fairly clear that SAGE do as they are told, which is why they are there and why any credible scientists who contradict them are ignored. See Basics’ post above about the German government pressurising scientists at the Koch Institute to produce the required model. It is naive to think that a group of loosely connected scientists and a couple of useless idiots have co-opted the government to do their bidding. Again, this is especially so when the response in Germany has been similar to the UK (and most of Europe and the West), and itself was implemented top-down.

402607 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Julian, 1, #492 of 1550 🔗

No, that is a very parochial observation. It is corporations and the trilateral commission, the WEF too who run the globe.

This is Operation Lockstep and the introduction to Agenda 21/30 or as it is marketed The Great Reset.

It involves a game-functioned virus started by Fauci and then shipped over to China after it became illegal research where it was released somehow. My own hunch is that the Chinese didn’t really know about it, but I don’t know.

It is at best a Big Pharma shakedown with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation underpinning the psychological operation as they have tenticles everywhere; they own the media. The financial bodies go along with it as they are transfering money from the taxpayers upwards into bailouts. The public cheer for it of course.

A far worse scenario is that this unnecessary and dangerous gene therapy is paving the way for the introduction of nanotechnologies whereby the public will be linked up to a social credit cloud.

I recommend the interview with Catherine Austin Fitts here on the upcoming Planet Lockdown documentary website: Planet Lockdown | Catherine Austin Fitts (Full Interview) (rumble.com)

Also, Ivor Cummins twitter history is bloody good!

401377 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 4, #493 of 1550 🔗

Who are these “Incompetence theorists”? Please give names and cite where they say this is simply due to “incompetence”.

Seems like a straw man to me, or a smear you used for anyone who is not a “conspiracy theorist” (another smear/straw man term)

It’s fine to debate and to an extent try and know and understand exactly who the enemy is but why sow division needlessly?

What’s YOUR explanation for “vaccine passports”? I don’t have one but would observe that they are consistent with the (obviously erroneous) belief that covid is an exceptional public health emergency (or with PRETENDING it is), and consistent with all the other theatre govts have indulged in

401403 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 4, #494 of 1550 🔗

Think you just ‘smeared’ anyone who is able to think round a corner or two. We are happy with Conspiracy Theorist to describe people because it is CIA/MSM approved.

But Incompetence Theorist is a label that cleverly points out the absurdity of labelling anything and it’s a smear.

As for the idea it’s a straw man argument, well, try the Toby Young James Dellingpole spats that were reported by Toby and echo much of the conversation had among people who have debated what is going on.

It seems your accusations come from a place where a nerve is hit.

Technocracy needs the human herd to be registered, tagged. See herds of cattle with ear tags.

401412 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 4, #495 of 1550 🔗

I have not listened to TY vs Delingpole, I am just going by what TY has written. Doubtless he has a different take on it to you or Delingpole, but I don’t think he’s naive

I deliberately put “conspiracy theorist” in inverted commas as shorthand and I do not like the term or find it helpful

Not intending to smear anyone, just think we should stop bandying about terms like “incompetence theorist” without defining them and we should be clear and honest about different people’s theories on the background to this, and open to argument

401439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 10, #496 of 1550 🔗

That’s cool. Those who have found it impossible to come to terms with the pattern of destruction have been more than happy to throw conspiracy theorist about.

I’m no further in getting an answer to how “incompetent theorists” explain away the vaccine passport.

This is a coldly planned event – the response to the virus, the destruction of everything.

Cashless society is being introduced by La Garde etc too. Can you see the connection between incompetence vaccine passports and a cashlesd society.

2 million Scots have had cash payments rejected during this period of governmental “incompetence”. They had to pay digitally.

Technocratic era is coming. Our fight back is limited because a mere handful of people can even see the patterns forming.

Mark Windows
Corbett Report
Many many many others too.

Spend some time understanding where we have come from and where we are rapidly going.

401448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 12, #497 of 1550 🔗

Digital currency tied to a digital passport is the end of freedom as we have known it.The government will be able to snuff out dissent before it even starts.

401812 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, #498 of 1550 🔗

I’m one of them.

401406 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Basics, 4, #499 of 1550 🔗

The incompetence theorists are more dangerous than the virtue signallers.

401414 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to merlin, 3, #500 of 1550 🔗

Who are these people, what do they believe and in what way are they dangerous?

401432 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Julian, -4, #501 of 1550 🔗

Why does this trigger you so much? Calm down

402642 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Basics, #502 of 1550 🔗

The tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists like me have been saying that from the get go 😃

401346 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 26, #503 of 1550 🔗

In a real pandemic people fear death. In a false pandemic, people fear punishment. If we are going to listen to corrupt politicians like John Swinney we deserve all that we get.

401373 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #504 of 1550 🔗

Since you bring up Swinney. It is often forgotten here was top dog, he led Scitland for a brief spell and failed miserably. So much so Salmond was pulled back from the dead for a spell befire todays first minister goes her claws on the job.

Never forget Swinney’s failure.

401556 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #506 of 1550 🔗

Yes, this guy sees what’s going on.

I believe it was Zuby who, a couple of years ago, he walked into a gym, identified as female, & immediately broke several women’s British dead-lift records! 🙂

401347 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #507 of 1550 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8604149/amp/Lockdown-restrictions-likely-killed-children-coronavirus-experts-say.html

Open the schools, open the play centres, open the pools, open the clubs, open your eyes, open your minds, open up.

401560 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #508 of 1550 🔗

‘Brit paediatricians identified nine children who died of cancer or sepsis by May.’ Because their cretinous parents were too stupidly terrified to take them to hospital.
That was more than the entire number of children who were said to have died of Covid.

And the zombies still approve. Bloody collaborators in child in murder.

401350 LMS2, 1, #509 of 1550 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=800CA4VA04g
Dave Cullen (13th July 2010) Mandates

401351 James Leary #KBF, 5, #510 of 1550 🔗

It is reported that 750,000 of the over-75s have refused to pay the BBC tax. Jail them! All of them!!

401356 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 43, #511 of 1550 🔗

He/she/it is amused.

401543 ▶▶ Annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #512 of 1550 🔗

Male, female, both, neither, turn and turn about, vaccinated, unvaccinated… yay.

401364 Ovis, 5, #513 of 1550 🔗

A couple of points:

1) Virus is gonna virus. NPIs, with the exception of masks which must be worse than useless, may at great cost ruck the carpet up very slightly. That may be politically unpalatable now, but it is as true now as it was a year ago.

2) Seven years must be around the usual interval between these scares (swine flu, bird flu SARS1). We are being told very clearly that this will never end. Compliance is complicity.

401371 Londo Mollari, 13, #514 of 1550 🔗
401375 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #515 of 1550 🔗

My mother used to have a saying: “They’re frightened if the wind blows on em”.
Using the present criteria; expect a lockdown order if the wind reaches more than 10 mph.
No more stupid than the present rules/laws.

401421 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #516 of 1550 🔗

We’ve been having “weather warnings” for years now when we get a bit of rain or a breeze.

401440 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #517 of 1550 🔗

On the BBC weather app you get a warning if rain is forecast.
HELP HELP, I might get wet!!!

401555 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #518 of 1550 🔗

I live West coast of Scotland, very wet place. I thought the BBC weather app had forgotten to remove the yellow warning, it’s been there forever.

402044 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Just about sane, #519 of 1550 🔗

Ardnamurchan Point to Cape Wrath (bit of a hint in the name)!

402029 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #520 of 1550 🔗

And if it’s below 10 mph the electric will be off.

401386 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #521 of 1550 🔗

Plug for https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm which is a mirror of LS with lots of useful extra features like user stats and search

The comments for each day are on a separate page and load instantly making them much easier to search

Provided by a kind LSer

401390 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 3, #522 of 1550 🔗

User stats, you mean like whose winning?

401468 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #523 of 1550 🔗

Good link Julian thanks for posting. Was a joke about whose winning made before we exchanged blows about above/below. I appreciate your sound comments and info.

401460 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Julian, 4, #524 of 1550 🔗

I believe that’s from Mabel Cow. Haven’t seen them post for a while now – as well as some others (eg Rosie) – so hope all is well in Cow land.

401388 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #525 of 1550 🔗

A whole new irk.

Yesterday I noticed a growing trend for people who mask on the street to be entirely wrapped except for two beady eyes. No skin showing through hats, masks and scarves. Youngish people often with I’m-wearing-headphones headphones.

The new irk is these cretins barge past people in was not appropriate in normal times, elbows out the pavenment it theirs.

Now, I am all for not to the covid shuffle but these people are the opposite. Forcefully passing people in their personal space. It appears the concealing of identity somehow encourages sociopathic behaviour.

It will come soon when a stooshie occurs when its pointed out to these morons that masks are not law but respecting others’ space is good manners.

Not a big thing but cannot abide blatant hypocracy. Virtous mask then trample on people.

401399 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 15, #526 of 1550 🔗

In our town square yesterday – busy as it was market day – the person least observing social distancing and causing the most commotion abd bustle was the (masked) environmental health officer.

401457 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 6, #527 of 1550 🔗

Same here but with the police and the ‘Safety’ Ambassadors.

401469 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 11, #528 of 1550 🔗

‘Safety Ambassadors’?? F me sideways…

401476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #529 of 1550 🔗

Hello, I am here as an Ambassador of Safety,

401491 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #530 of 1550 🔗

Oh yes. As I said earlier, think Max and Paddy and you get the picture. Very fetching they are in their purple tabards!

401787 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #531 of 1550 🔗

Now now Sam, be careful what you wish for!!!

401401 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Basics, 9, #532 of 1550 🔗

Anyone does that to me I would knock the fucker out . I’ve made more than one have to step out into the road on occasion . I look forward to the day one gets splattered by a car or van

401472 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Harry Chara, 3, #533 of 1550 🔗

This is what my look back in anger says. I am too slow to kidney punch in the moment. I must sharpen my game.

401586 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basics, 11, #534 of 1550 🔗

I’ve noticed a trend now for Covidians to cover their lower face with a scarf just while they are passing me on the pavement. I wish I wasn’t such an obvious biohazard. Perhaps I should start carrying a bell?

401678 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #535 of 1550 🔗

Thank them loudly for keeping their germs to themselves, seeing that face nappies don’t protect the wearer.

402645 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #536 of 1550 🔗

I’ve thought of that. And announce in a sepulchral tone: UNCLEAN!! UNCLEAN!!

401392 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #537 of 1550 🔗

Englebert Humperdinck’s wife has died, sadly. Of course, despite having had Alzheimer’s for 10 years and requiring 24-hour care for most of that time, she “died of Covid.”

401430 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #538 of 1550 🔗

Yes. Had she died of pneumonia in a ‘flu year, she would have died differently.

401540 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 7, #539 of 1550 🔗

She sadlidied. You can only do that with Covid.

401551 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, 5, #540 of 1550 🔗

You do it “after battling Covid.”

401676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #541 of 1550 🔗

I thought the NHS did that? Using the bodies of cancer and heart patients as a barricade?

401716 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #542 of 1550 🔗

That’s why we have had 100000 deaths total made up fucking shite

401395 Steeve, 16, #543 of 1550 🔗

10 Months on.

401405 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #544 of 1550 🔗

I worry somewhat about the current subliminal messages being sent out from this site. Take two examples :

  • The lead item is a pessimistic rehearsal of MSM stories about the dive to keep the Panic going.
  • Toby Young is once more spending time and energy defending himself against Snowden. I do understand – but it is a sure way of enhancing the importance of insubstantial meanderings. Worse – in focusing on the NPI issues, the key underlying fact is totally neglected – namely that there is NO astoundingly awful mortality in terms of the historical pattern. (This neglect, by default, obviously, reinforces the hysterical covidian message.

Put just these two together, and you see how much has been implicitly conceded.

401411 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 5, #545 of 1550 🔗

Surely Toby, by defending himself, is arguing against lockdown….

401427 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 3, #546 of 1550 🔗

Yes – but defensively . That’s my point.

401438 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #547 of 1550 🔗

yep, the establishment pro-lockdown attacks on him are likely having some of the desired effect

401495 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 2, #548 of 1550 🔗

My point exactly.

401452 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 8, #549 of 1550 🔗

I agree. And he’s engaging in debate – something that we so often wish that the other side would have the guts and decency to do. There is going to be back and forth – that’s how different arguments get a thorough airing and some minds are changed. There’s no argument for giving up (imo) just because the other side doesn’t surrender after the first exchange – and it’s not just about the two people engaged in the exchange, but all those who might be following with interest and have their view challenge or shifted as a result.

401422 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #550 of 1550 🔗

P.S. The relegation of the new mask study to third item reinforces this subliminal defeatism.

401424 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 11, #551 of 1550 🔗

It seems a diversionary tactic.Get the leading sceptics on the back foot and get them to use their energy to defend their characters from personal abuse and attack.Hitchens was accused of causing the death of a skeptic man who wouldn’t mask up.
Yeadon has been forced off Twitter.
This shows the government do not have a case and their own corrupted numbers are falling and now they are reduced to going door to door to drum up new numbers.Hancock is also touting testing kits around businesses according to the bbc today.
Imagine a virus so deadly you have to look for it.

401431 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to RickH, 4, #552 of 1550 🔗

I’m pretty baffled by the choice of Mail article in the “round up” section. (The link didn’t work but it’s on the main DM page). Why did the U.K. suffer highest death rates? Well I’d say due to poor planning of health services and higher collateral deaths which have been coded incorrectly as Covid. The DM article basically seems to assert the BBC position ie lockdown too late, not strict enough, more track and trace surveillance needed etc. More suited to the Lockdown Zealot’s site.

401500 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Van Allen, 1, #553 of 1550 🔗

I reckon that, in part, the government has been hoisted by it’s own petard in vastly inflating ‘Covid’ deaths.

This, despite the fact that, on the whole, western seaboard countries do seem to have had higher levels of genuine infections . The reasons for this are clearly not fully understood.

401699 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 2, #554 of 1550 🔗

The explanation could well be associated with the thrust of this chart.

401778 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 1, #555 of 1550 🔗

Therein lies the Govt’s dilemma. The establishment narrative is built on such a ponzi scheme of lies it is now at the point of collapse and the truth is getting through in a larger variety of outlest. Good BTW for Katie Price to speak out the way she has done and brought it to MSM attention. It strikes me she would be someone who would be good to head up a ‘Campaign for the truth about Covid Vaccines’ or something like that. She is using her status for the good.

We all know that the ultimate fate of ponzi schemes is that they spectacularly collapse. We are witnessing the first building blocks shaking and loosening, once a few more have, there will be a rapid demise.

401695 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Van Allen, #556 of 1550 🔗

Denial of HCQ?

402056 ▶▶ ekd, replying to RickH, #557 of 1550 🔗

My rule of thumb is that if see that it is by Jonathan Barr I skip the whole above the line section.

401408 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 19, #558 of 1550 🔗

If you haven’t read the Swiss Doctor article on Ivermectin (linked to in the Round Up), then please do. To me, it sums up nicely that this pharma fraud will stop at absolutely NOTHING to protect its’ vaccine profits.

https://swprs.org/fight-against-ivermectin-begins/

401415 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to godowneasy, 5, #559 of 1550 🔗

Is the fraud simply unstoppable?

401423 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Major Panic, 8, #560 of 1550 🔗

I’d like to think that it could be stopped if enough people understand what is going on, by just saying “no”. That doesn’t look at all likely.

401418 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to godowneasy, 8, #561 of 1550 🔗

That’s a fantastic article. The Lancet proved again and again to be compromised. I only trust BMJ now.

These are the PHARMA WARS!

401433 ▶▶ isobar, replying to godowneasy, 8, #562 of 1550 🔗

Totally mind-blowing, Big Pharma will stop at nothing!

401557 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to godowneasy, 3, #563 of 1550 🔗

The SPR site also links to a source of Ivermectin:
https://www.medicinesdropshipper.com/antiparasitic-drugs.html#iverlast-12mg-tablet
but this is in India, presumably with lengthy delays in shipping.
Does anyone here have experience of it being prescribed in the UK?

401720 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to godowneasy, #564 of 1550 🔗

Our medical profession is selling us down the river. Why aren’t they clamouring for IVM to be made available?

401413 Philipleigh, replying to Philipleigh, 8, #565 of 1550 🔗

I’m waiting for people who have received the vaccine to test positive,it’s bound to happen sooner or later. What will happen then,will they say vaccinated individuals do not need to be tested or wiill the positive result be disregarded?

401417 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Philipleigh, 2, #566 of 1550 🔗

Do we know that they haven’t already?

I doubt it is being monitored – perhaps by the Zoe study?

401762 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Julian, 2, #567 of 1550 🔗

Philipleigh and Julian. I think Israel is a fine and dandy example of this. Biggest vaccination programme in the world so far at a time when their cases were plummeting and now, since Vaxx cases rising rapidly as are deaths. Says it all I think.

401425 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Philipleigh, 7, #568 of 1550 🔗

We know that this has happened many times already – especially in care homes. Julian is right – Zoe will pick up on this. Users are asked to log vaccinations, any tests, plus symptoms.

401419 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 31, #569 of 1550 🔗

So only 75% of the world’s population needs to be injected with the experimental gene therapy which doesn’t make you immune to anything and doesn’t stop you passing it on for us to achieve herd immunity. This could take 7 years.

We’ve come a long way from 3 weeks to flatten the curve…

401429 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to captainbeefheart, 11, #570 of 1550 🔗

The goal posts have been moved so many times that it’s now only possible to see a 12ft high brick wall. With a wall that high, surely the majority of the population can see it too?

401435 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #571 of 1550 🔗

Yes, we have haven’t we.

401470 ▶▶ merlin, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #572 of 1550 🔗

The latest covidian wisdom suggests 90pct need vaccinating. They are openly targeting the kids.

401582 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 3, #573 of 1550 🔗

Then it’s up to the parents to put a stop to this.

401534 ▶▶ Annie, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #574 of 1550 🔗

With population growth at the astronomical rates it is, it’ll take forever.
Is this the stupidest idea even the Fascist morons have had yet?

401552 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #575 of 1550 🔗

Staggering progress

401694 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #576 of 1550 🔗

Considering that at least 75% never travel further 20miles away from home, except maybe the rich Europeans for their annual holiday, mainly within Europe, what’s the point of vaccinating everyone?

401830 ▶▶ jos, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #577 of 1550 🔗

But can affect fertility or has that been covered up now?

402041 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to captainbeefheart, #578 of 1550 🔗

Don’t forget on A Marr this morning the suggestion that the next goal post shift could be that lockdown continues until we get the vaccine booster against variant X in the autumn.

401434 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 34, #579 of 1550 🔗

Have we ever before, in all human history, obsessed over where or how anyone picked up a bog standard, endemic respiratory virus, or allotted blame to anyone who caught it or unwittingly spread it, or praised someone who didn’t catch it for their sticking to some arbitrary rules?

401453 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #580 of 1550 🔗

I love the fact that I’ve not had it and – one by one – all of those who have wobbled their chins the most, have caught it.

401487 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #581 of 1550 🔗

yes, but those idiots will go and get themselves tested, at the 1st sign of a sniffle.

401820 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jinks, 3, #582 of 1550 🔗

Exactly – we might all have had it, I’ve certainly had some cold-like illnesses and a cough over the last year or so, but wouldn’t get tested unless I became seriously unwell. So perhaps sceptics are just less likely to get tested, not less likely to catch it.

401441 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 45, #583 of 1550 🔗

Just been to the tip. Website says no masks required.

60-something yeti working there says ‘I’m vulnerable, you have to wear a mask or leave’.

Mate, it’s zero degrees, snowing, easterly wind blowing, you’re working outside, and you think catching covid because someone isn’t wearing a mask is the thing to worry about?

No point telling the man anything. Why would he listen to some random who just turned up with a carload of rubbish?

It’s depressing how frightened people are, and what a strong message it’s going to need from authority figures to get them to put down the feckin masks.

Still, I’m at home now with tea and crumpets. Yeti-man is still stood in an industrial estate getting snowed on.

At least we know he won’t die of pneumonia.

401484 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 33, #584 of 1550 🔗

‘I’m vulnerable, you have to wear a mask or leave’.”

To which the answer is :

“No. If you fear that you’re vulnerable – just go home. It’s your problem.’

401750 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to RickH, 4, #585 of 1550 🔗

Too right, or “oh, shouldn’t you be wearing a medical grade mask or three then?”

402040 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fiona Walker, #586 of 1550 🔗

Wouldn’t have made any difference with his Uncle Albert beard.

401497 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to AidanR, 34, #587 of 1550 🔗

Several weeks ago I made one of the regular trips to our tip, one that has appeared on that TV programme about turning discarded items into something saleable (can’t remember the name of the programme) . Anyway it is a very well organised site normally , but this day there was an enormous queue of cars and the reason was that the man at the entrance was demanding masks. Never happened before, so many cars were stopped , turned round, in a narrow road , causing the queue, and preventing the dumper trucks leaving and entering – total chaos .
Eventually i made it to the head of the queue , dug up something that approximated to a mask from the bowls of the ancient Fiesta and was let through. Next day I had to return and was armed with a nice clean mask . Not needed.. The orders from Head Office countermanded apparently due to the chaos and angry people tipping all their rubbish on the roads and verges around.
The middle management of our businesses in the UK seem to be totally brainless.

401570 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mikewaite, 8, #588 of 1550 🔗

Middle management worldwide are totally useless.

401854 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #589 of 1550 🔗

Look at the IQ bell curve, factor in the Peter Principle, pepper with Parkinson’s Law and you have middle-management everywhere.

There’s a reason Dilbert is a golbally syndicated success story.

402024 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, #590 of 1550 🔗

Hence Ark Fleet Ship B. Watch out for those telephone based infections though.

401574 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikewaite, 10, #591 of 1550 🔗

Well done those who tipped their rubbish in the road! The stupid braindead mask bandit probably had to clear the mess up too!!

401902 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bella Donna, #592 of 1550 🔗

The last couple of places I lived, the half mile of road before the tip was festooned with cameras.

The council would have been issuing fines like sweeties at a Jimmy Savile convention.

402068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AidanR, #593 of 1550 🔗

Well tip it 3/4 mile away.

402108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Rowan, #594 of 1550 🔗

Do you imagine covidians with phone cameras would have averted their eyes?

402051 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #595 of 1550 🔗

I do hope so!

402066 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, #596 of 1550 🔗

It’s not just the middle management.

401447 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 13, #597 of 1550 🔗

They do seem to be desperate to drum up ‘cases’ I have now had 3 invitation letters asking me take part in a covid19 study by Ipsos/Mori which requires doing a PCR test at home and sending off the results. Two of these came in the last week! Needless to say they all went straight in the bin.

Anyone else been getting these?

401449 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Old Trout, 10, #598 of 1550 🔗

Same here. Two in the last week popped back in the post – ‘return to sender’

401465 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Old Trout, 5, #599 of 1550 🔗

I always wondered what the envelopes used to send the samples are made of.

Is it some sort of vacuum sealed container or just an envelope with “WARNING BIOHAZARD MAY CONTAIN COVID”?

401475 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Old Trout, 4, #600 of 1550 🔗

And of course in Latin Ipsos Mori means ‘they die’. Doesn’t really give me confidence in their motives.

401528 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 5, #601 of 1550 🔗

No it doesn’t. It means ‘to die’, as in ‘pro patria mori’, to die for one’s country.
‘They die’ is moriuntur.

401542 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 2, #602 of 1550 🔗

Clearly I have been lazy and used google translate, maybe they did the same?! Probably just coincidence.

401547 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 2, #603 of 1550 🔗

Does it actually mean anything? I know what Google Translate says, but as you point out, “mori” is infinitive, and “ipsos” is just an accusative plural- I think they just put two random words together to try to create a sort of impressionistic effect in the listener- exactly like they did with “Haagen-Dazs”, in fact,

401573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #604 of 1550 🔗

Ipsos comes from the merger of a French firm called Ipsos (from Ipsos facto (the fact)) and a UK firm Market Opinion and Research International.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-ipsos-mori-idUSKBN28A2ZG

401593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #605 of 1550 🔗

It’s ‘Ipso facto’ – don’t know where the extra ‘s’ came from.
Latin conjugation tests on a Sunday morning take me back 60 years – it could only happen on LS BTL 🙂

401664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BTLnewbie, #606 of 1550 🔗

Right- after me, boy: ferro, ferre, tuli, latum……

401687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #607 of 1550 🔗

i always enjoyed conjugating the verb mitto, mittis, mittit, mittimus, mittitis, mittunt. Never failed to raise a smile in Latin class.

401786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Liberty, 1, #608 of 1550 🔗

Oh heavens, I’d forgotten that one! Yes, always good for a, er, titter, that!

401949 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #609 of 1550 🔗

The Latin for “six” caused tittering among us.

401942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #610 of 1550 🔗

I’d forgotten that one! The regular verbs are easier: amo, amas, amat, can’t remember how the plural goes.

402054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #611 of 1550 🔗

amamus, amatis, amant

402196 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #612 of 1550 🔗

Ablative absolutes, gerunds and gerundives were my favourite

402646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #613 of 1550 🔗

Fact-check 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

401691 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 3, #614 of 1550 🔗

Are we expected to be prepared to sacrifice all at the altar of the NHS?

402019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Liberty, 1, #615 of 1550 🔗

Indeed and this time NHS/Moloch demands your own children not those of the poor you bought last time.

401559 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Old Trout, 1, #616 of 1550 🔗

Fortunately no. Any correspondence from them will be shredded.

401568 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Trout, 2, #617 of 1550 🔗

Mrs Awkward received 2 this week.

401756 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Old Trout, 1, #618 of 1550 🔗

Strangely enough, I’m not getting anything at all. The only thing I have had is an Ipsos/Mori letter asking me to participate in research about How People Use Their Computers or something like that. You had to download an app and then frequently answer questions or something. I didn’t so much smell a rat as a sodding great mammabl. How I use my computer has nothing to do with anyone. I think it’s a move to increase reliance on computers therefore introducing easy monitoring and tracking. Went straight in the bin. I have had nothing from my GP surgery at all about Vaccines, tests or anything.

401454 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #619 of 1550 🔗

Startling important news. Posted by a great LSer last night. Apologies I dont have your name or the RAM to be able to go look this side of lunch. Please take credit.

In Gemany a legal action by a group of lawyers has resulted in the release of Email correspondence, showing tht the government pressued scientists – in March – to produce modelling, which would deliver the justification for ‘preventative and repressive’ measures.

Link in German

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article225864597/Interner-E-Mail-Verkehr-Innenministerium-spannte-Wissenschaftler-ein.html

401463 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 14, #620 of 1550 🔗

That should have been the lead article.Its political dynamite but is it too late to have any effect.10 months of brainwashing has reduced the populations capacity for rational and reasoned thought.

401485 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #621 of 1550 🔗

The brainwashing been happening far longer than 10months, unfortunately 😕

401496 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jinks, 5, #622 of 1550 🔗

Well said.

401558 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basics, 9, #623 of 1550 🔗

The text according to Google Translate:

Ministry of the Interior hired scientists to justify corona measures

By Anette Dowideit, Alexander Nabert

Federal Minister of the Interior Seehofer urged tough measures during the first peak of the pandemic – and let his house be creative in justifying them
Federal Minister of the Interior Seehofer urged tough measures during the first peak of the pandemic – and let his house be creative in justifying them
An extensive correspondence, which WELT AM SONNTAG has, shows: In the first high phase of the pandemic, the house of Interior Minister Horst Seehofer acted on researchers. Thereupon they provided results for a dramatic “secret paper” of the ministry.
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The Federal Ministry of the Interior engaged scientists from several research institutes and universities for political purposes in the first wave of the corona pandemic in March 2020. It commissioned the researchers from the Robert Koch Institute and other institutions to create a calculation model on the basis of which the Ministry of the Interior, Horst Seehofer (CSU), wanted to justify tough corona measures.

This emerges from more than 200 pages of internal correspondence between the management level of the Ministry of the Interior and the researchers, which WELT AM SONNTAG has received. A group of lawyers fought for e-mail in a legal dispute with the Robert Koch Institute that lasted several months.

In an exchange of e-mails, the State Secretary in the Ministry of the Interior, Markus Kerber, asks the researchers who have been contacted to develop a model on the basis of which “preventive and repressive measures” can be planned.

According to the correspondence, the scientists worked in close coordination with the ministry in just four days to develop content for a paper that had been declared secret, which was distributed via various media over the following days.

A “worst-case scenario” was calculated according to which more than a million people in Germany could die of the coronavirus if social life were to continue as it was before the pandemic.

This text is from WELT AM SONNTAG. We will be happy to deliver them to your home on a regular basis.

401606 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Basics, 5, #624 of 1550 🔗

I shared some of that in a DM comment, but they were moderating comments. When they stopped moderating, I put it through again and it’s had a few green arrows. Needs sharing widely!

401462 isobar, replying to isobar, 21, #625 of 1550 🔗

Am mildly optimistic that the tide might be turning. This article in the Mail is getting a ripe old kicking in the comments section. 
‘NHS boss claims Covid infections must fall by another 95% to just 1,000 a day before lockdown is lifted: Hospitals chief urges Boris to wait before easing restrictions after SAGE warned of FOURTH wave causing more than 1,000 deaths a day’ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9232723/Scientists-NHS-chiefs-say-Covid-infections-drop-1-000-day-lockdown-lifted.html

401489 ▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #626 of 1550 🔗

Forgot to say that the ‘NHS Boss’ in question (Chris Hopson) is the guy who got completely eviscerated by J H-B on Talk Radio.

401498 ▶▶▶ Apache, replying to isobar, 16, #627 of 1550 🔗

Hopson is nothing to do with the NHS. He is CEO of NHS Providers which is a fee demanding trade body for NHS trusts. He has no clinical training and AFAIK has never worked for the NHS.

401505 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Apache, 7, #628 of 1550 🔗

Yes, you are absolutely correct, I forgot to point that out as well, thanks for clarifying!

402006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to isobar, 1, #629 of 1550 🔗

Also biscuit fund beneficiary from the look of things.

401513 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to isobar, 21, #630 of 1550 🔗

Overwhelmingly positive BTL so far for Jonathan Sumption’s article in the MoS today, though. “Fraisy”, an infamous 77th identity from BTL at the DT, put in an appearance but was recognised and called out immediately- nice one. Wonder if “her” fellow- DT trolls “Adam Hill” and Fagash will put in an appearance to provide reinforcements when they roll out of their bunks a bit later on- the State narrative is being slaughtered there at the moment.

401740 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #631 of 1550 🔗

Alleluia! Lord Sumption I salute you Sir! BTL commenters. I salute you too. Thanks to the MoS for not moderating.

401931 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #632 of 1550 🔗

I used to look at the Telegraph comments, as there was a period when most of the stories were behind the paywall but one could see the start of the story and all of the comments. Fraisy and Adam Hill were often seen – so they’re still on the go? One would think the 77th would change their user names after their cover is blown.

401518 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, 4, #633 of 1550 🔗

When was the so called 3rd wave.Did I miss it?

401549 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #634 of 1550 🔗

I missed the ‘second wave’.

401466 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 19, #635 of 1550 🔗

Important news.Katie Prices son Harvey has been rushed to hospital due to an adverse reaction to the vaccine.

401480 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to jonathan Palmer, 21, #636 of 1550 🔗

whilst this is unfortunate for the son etc this hopefully will wake up the masses to this experimental vaxx being forced on society.

401502 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to penelope pitstop, 14, #637 of 1550 🔗

This will reach millions of people who would never have heard of Toby,Hitchens etc

401508 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #638 of 1550 🔗

What a dreadful think to happen. I hope the poor lad recovers but it does show there should be doubts over the vaccine until the trials complete (2023?).

401519 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #639 of 1550 🔗

The government will dismiss the adverse reaction as mild only if Harvey dies will anyone take any notice. Get well Harvey.

401539 ▶▶ Jo, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #640 of 1550 🔗

Been discharged from hospital now, apparently. Wonder if he’ll have the second dose?

401554 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #641 of 1550 🔗

That’s one less bed for a Covid patient. Clever idea these “vaccines”.

401588 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #642 of 1550 🔗

The size of that boy, probably 2 beds… (sorry that was mean and unnecessary!) 😉

401600 ▶▶ mj, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #643 of 1550 🔗

note that Harvey has a number of issues including Prader-Willi syndrome
this would suggest that having the vaccine was probably not a good idea.
As is mentioned in other replies, this is all over the MSM media as Katie Price is a celeb and so the impact of this story on the general sheeple will be substantial

401744 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to mj, 1, #644 of 1550 🔗

Being so obese (due to PWS, poor kid), and having a black dad, he would be at risk if he caught the Rona too. Probably had to have the jab in order to board at his new school.

401680 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #645 of 1550 🔗

The poor sod has been in a bad way for a long time.

401732 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #646 of 1550 🔗

Let’s hope Katie Price yells loudly, clearly and heavily about this. She has enough celebrity power to get the message through.

401473 Basileus, 8, #647 of 1550 🔗

Sorry if already reported.

https://twitter.com/CommonsPACAC/status/1357688335620259840

Yesterday we heard from the Government in our Covid-19 data inquiry. The @cabinetofficeuk @DHSCgovuk ministers delegated to attended were not able to answer our questions. We have now written to @michaelgove & @MattHancock
insisting they appear.

401482 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #648 of 1550 🔗

What if there is something wrong with the ‘vaccine(s)’?

It would appear we have 11million dead people walking

401514 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 27, #649 of 1550 🔗

That’s nothing, we have about 50 million zombies walking, plus several million more who have been rotting under the bed for a year.

401525 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 6, #650 of 1550 🔗

Bill Gates will be pleased!

401789 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cecil B, #651 of 1550 🔗

To be brutally honest, I care so less about lockdown supporters at this stage that I am genuinely hoping that these “vaccines” do contain something that injures and kills.

402647 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Ewan Duffy, #652 of 1550 🔗

Me too though I feel vaguely guilty for having such uncharitable thoughts. But only vaguely.

401492 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #653 of 1550 🔗

Last night I read Christopher Snowdons reply to Toby and came away thinking yes his argument sounds logical but his missing the point. The point is lockdown was sold to the British public and the world as a way of bringing covid under control and not just rates of infection. The problem as I see it is scientists believed corona viruses after 3 or 4 months die out and that all we after do is lockdown as their did in China avoiding all the harm covid could do. Those scientists who were sceptical were dispised as crackpots or just simply as people who wanted to see people die. The first lockdown seemed to show that this did indeed work and those scientists who claimed victory ignored other possibilities. Perhaps if they had we could have prepared for the winter pandemic as Ivor Cummins was saying last year. I believe that lockdown all it as done as prolonged a pandemic and allowed covid to mutate. There’s no evidence to show lockdown saves lives as not only Sweden, Japan, Belarus and many other countries have shown. While I am opposed on principle to lockdown I am not opposed to it when done intelligently for example at the beginning of pandemic not when hospitals are near capacity. Likewise those countries that have been successful closed their borders early quarantining new arrivals and avoiding lockdown. In the end Christopher Snowdon and Toby will see their both got things wrong just like the scientists because their human.

401546 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Derek Toyne, 13, #654 of 1550 🔗

The point is lockdown was sold to the British public and the world as a way of bringing covid under control and not just rates of infection.”

It was simpler than that. The original justification was to simply spread the load at peak infection (‘flatten the curve’).

Any fairly scientifically literate individual would know that ‘controlling’ a virus is a bullshit notion in general.

401587 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to RickH, 12, #655 of 1550 🔗

Even simpler than that.

The original justification was to avoid governnent embarrassment by a health service that cannot be relied on to provide a reliable service for which we pay billions each year.

401749 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richy_m_99, #656 of 1550 🔗

It was to implement the first(?) phase of the Agenda.

401493 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 39, #657 of 1550 🔗

The whole vaccine debate should be very short, and start and end on one word, CONSENT. You choose to have it, or you don’t choose to have it. I don’t give a damn which it is. Whichever choice you make should have no bearing on how you subsequently access “life”.

The medicalisation of the “healthy” has been a sinister trend for a long time, I guess we shouldn’t really be surprised we’re in this mess now.

But back to vaccines, if we’re going to debate them because of the insane move towards vaccine passports to access “life”, I want someone in the press to start talking about all the many thousands/millions(?) of people that can’t actually have them for health reasons. Even if it wasn’t completely experimental, still in the trial phase, having skipped vital animal trials, and with some worrying evidence that it might be killing some – let’s say it’s impeccable (put your tin foil hat on for that leap) – there would still be many people who couldn’t have it for medical reasons. I guess we don’t care if they never leave their homes again, because they’re already sick and useless to society?

And what about children/young people? STILL excluded from the debate, still expected to bear the brunt of our ridiculous and dangerous response to this threat. Not only do they not need the vaccine, but it hasn’t even been tested on them or approved for them. Are we talking about locking our kids up at home indefinitely? Or experimenting on them so that we can have a bloody holiday? Will my daughter be able to a start uni in the autumn if unvaccinated? Will my son be allowed back in school? I think this would be challenged legally very quickly, I’d certainly be willing to do that.

The whole thing is going to be unworkable from the start, and hopefully fall flat on its face. Like everything else they’ve tried – nightingales, track n trace, moonshot testing, protect the care homes/NHS, travel quarantine hotels (like wearing a condom to screw your pregnant wife) – ffs they’re about as useful as a chocolate teapot. They won’t be able to make this work for sure.

Dan from the Pandemic Podcast had a good chat about vaccine passports on Friday, if you missed it.

401503 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Fear is Finite, 22, #658 of 1550 🔗

Undoubtedly they would fail at setting this up as they do everything else.
Also, the discrimination suits that would arise would be enormous.
Plus no sensible business is going to turn away revenue from the can’t or won’t be vaccinated. I expect this to get very noisy and ugly and then blow over.

401526 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to WasSteph, 6, #659 of 1550 🔗

I’m sorry I tried to like your comment and hit the thumbs down, apologies. I totally agree, there’d be a huge business opportunity to cater to the unvaccinated.

401530 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #660 of 1550 🔗

I think I fixed it!

401581 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #661 of 1550 🔗

i was ready to start chartered airline just for us ,no t that know anyhthing about chartered airlines

401841 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #662 of 1550 🔗

If you hit the down button accidentally then press the up button twice.

401937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, #663 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for the great tip

401999 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to WasSteph, 2, #664 of 1550 🔗

I really hope you’re right, but I don’t think they’re failing at all. I am afraid they’re celebrating undreamed-of success in everything they’ve set out to achieve. nobody cares about discrimination suits or business any more, they don’t enter the equation

402046 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #665 of 1550 🔗

I still feel like the minute the sun comes out all the Brits will hit the beaches and just ignore any restrictions that might still be in place. Especially if they can’t hit the continent. We’re fickle fair weather dissenters.

401511 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #666 of 1550 🔗

I did look it up – and have forgotten the figure – but a large number of people have wasp or bee allergies (I have the former). I saw that in the US a woman with a bee allergy had an allergic reaction to the vaccine and whilst Pfizer said shortly after the first tranche of reactions that it was ok to have it unless you were allergic to PEG (how would you know?) you could safely have the vaccine.
Would anyone in their right mind, who has an allergy, risk it?

401537 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Jo, 7, #667 of 1550 🔗

Yes we all have allergies, and I have 2 AI diseases. That stuff’s not coming near me.

401579 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #668 of 1550 🔗

I have no allergies or AI diseases but there’s no way I will be having it either!

401522 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Fear is Finite, 16, #669 of 1550 🔗

Agree 100%. The notion of informed consent has completely disappeared, and whilst a small minority will do their own research in making their decision, the vast majority will trot along.

I’m appalled at the complicity of medical profession who are “following the programme”.

What happened to “first do no harm” ?

When I am asked, rather than refuse first off, I will formerly request a consultation with a qualified medical profession, which I expect will be refused. In which case I will ask that this has be recorded formerly on my medical records, and will decline to have the “vaccine”.

401584 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Lindy, 13, #670 of 1550 🔗

Friend of mine had the jab – she’s early 50s and got it because she works in healthcare. Spoke to her just afterwards – used to be a sceptic but is now a vaccine evangelist, saying how happy and… get this… EXCITED (I mean, WTAF?) to have had the vaccine, how she is feeling great etc.

Clearly the vaccine has affected her mental faculties. Either that or she is totally delusional in thinking that by having the vaccine, lockdown will soon be over. To which the first point still applies!

401657 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #671 of 1550 🔗

Maybe she should read BIS article which states she will be vulnerable for twelve weeks. If she got covid naturally after two weeks she would be immune, but must self isolate. As where in lockdown and unlikely to become seriously ill that is the option she could have taken .

402076 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #672 of 1550 🔗

She must have had the Stepford vax.

401909 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Lindy, 6, #673 of 1550 🔗

I don’t live in the UK, but the country I am resident in has started a massive vaccination program in earnest – still voluntary, for the moment. However based on a rough guess judging from social media posts of those who have put themselves through the jab, around 1 in 4 is having very severe reactions,in many cases bad enough to be off work for a couple of weeks afterwards. Still however some are sufficiently conditioned by the fear porn that they are able to ignore that news and they join the queues of sheep waiting for the vax.

401572 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #674 of 1550 🔗

me too agree 100% and i’m not getting any vaccine and i’m bloody well going to travel and i’m not going to quarantine.

401494 DRW, 18, #675 of 1550 🔗

LS headlining with a bloody Dr “Doom” Falsei quote, come on guys the ATL really is degrading. It’s not like the
poison dwarf won’t flipflop in a few days for more airtime anyway.

The German leak posted last night is much more newsworthy.

401506 JayBee, 34, #676 of 1550 🔗

“Mr Swinney said face coverings, social distancing and travel restrictions may remain after the general population is vaccinated.”

Makes sense.
As the vaccines are useless, all the rest of the completely useless restrictions (though he forgot to mention the most useless one, hand sanitizing) must also remain in place for good.

If this ever was about health, we’d all be going about our lives as before, completely unrestricted and just swallowing a few vitamin B, C, D, zinc and quercetin pills, plus having some HCQ and Ivermectin pills at home, supplied by a truly caring and responsible government, in case we developed symptoms.

401516 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 27, #677 of 1550 🔗

“Chris Hopson, the Chief Executive of NHS Providers, which represents hospital trusts, is to write to the Prime Minister to urge him not to lift restrictions until the number of new infections drops below 1,000 a day.”

Easy.
Standardize the PCR tests down to a ct30 or even ct24, as Australia, NZ or the NFL and PGA Tour did and do, and you’ll even get your bogus zero Covid in no time.

401527 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JayBee, 9, #678 of 1550 🔗

I’m sure we can find an expert who will go for 750 , then 500, then 250 then 100 then nil.
Even if everyone had the vaccine , there will still be infections because (pause) the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from getting infected .

401613 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JayBee, 26, #679 of 1550 🔗

Chris Hopson is a complete and utter moron. His ‘interview’ on TalkRadio with JHB showed him to be the most ignorant, useless piece of shit that he is. He wouldn’t get a job as a lavatory cleaner (and that’s not an insult to lavatory cleaners, they do a far more worthwhile job than this piece of shit) given his chronic and excessive levels of incompetence, hubris and ability to talk absolute bollocks. Only in an organisation as badly managed as the NHS could such a spectacular idiot get to the position that he has. Says it all. As they say, shit always rises to the top – and hey presto – here’s living proof of that.

401619 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #680 of 1550 🔗

Probably a common porpoise. They have been architecting a layer of absolute morons at the top of public sector and corporates for decades.

401624 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jo Dominich, 5, #681 of 1550 🔗

I can tell you aren’t impressed.

401626 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basileus, 3, #682 of 1550 🔗

Now, what gave you that idea?!!!

401840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #683 of 1550 🔗

Gut feel.

401634 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #684 of 1550 🔗

He hasn’t even got a medical background. I’ve come across individuals like him: they talk bullshit and use the right buzzwords to impress but are actually a complete waste of space and cause nothing but stress to those around them.

https://nhsproviders.org/aspiring-ceos-report/chris-hopson

401663 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Jo Dominich, 6, #685 of 1550 🔗

Another cunt for the drop of york

401747 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #686 of 1550 🔗

Well said

401953 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #687 of 1550 🔗

that is what has been so depressing this past year – it has revealed so many complete dunderheads in positions of power and responsibility, people who are clearly out of their element in any activity requiring a mental age of more than 8; it reveals that what most ailed our society was not the population failing to achieve their true potential, but the opposite of that, huge amounts of people who never should have been anything more than scrubbers or burger flippers becoming doctors, journalists, politicians, scientists, senior civil servants, etc

401998 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #688 of 1550 🔗

Failing upwards like Baroness Dido.

402050 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #689 of 1550 🔗

You are absolutely right there. I remember donkeys years ago now attending a conference organised by The Guardian (that’s when it was a really really good Newspaper) and one of the Panel was Alex Carlisle, I believe a Liberal MP at the time. He stated that the problem in British industry was that, although it had a very good skilled workforce the biggest problem that prevailed was the protection of vested interests which led to appalling, self-centered management decisions across the board in organisations within the UK. He was right then and it still holds today only those vested interests are even more powerful than they have ever been.

401987 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JayBee, 1, #690 of 1550 🔗

NHS Providers is lobbying organisation for NHS apparatchiks. I’m dealing with an old infestation of teredo borer in the deadwood on my boat. Their lives had more value than Hopson’s. He looks as though he accounted for quite a bit of Captain Sir Tom Moore’s NHS/Moloch biscuit fund on his own too.

401523 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 18, #691 of 1550 🔗

Vaccine passports? The vaccination does not provide immunity. It just reduces some symptoms in slight cases of the disease. A vaccinated person can still catch and carry the virus, possibly making the hypothesised asymtomatic carrier more of a reality. Those vaccinated will however behave as if they are immune, so this will lead to adverse outcomes. But I am sure there is another drug and more modelling to solve that problem.

401941 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #692 of 1550 🔗

none of it makes any sense, does it? it’s not even internally coherent on its own terms. I can not understand why this jarring incoherence does not set off my alarm bells in more minds

401524 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #693 of 1550 🔗

The Beach by Alex Garland is about a community living in a secret beach paradise in Thailand.

In one part of the story, two of community get attacked by a shark and one is severly injured. The leader Sal refuses to compromise the group by getting outside help so they end up taking him to the jungle in order not to have to hear him screaming.

For Sal, everything is about protecting the paradise that they have created and not let its existence be threatened by anyone or anything.

At the end she is even willing to commit murder to further this goal. It is then that the community realise that things have gone too far and abandon her.

If we look at what is happening around the world there is a parallel to the story. Although not a beach paradise, countries are creating an environment that they feel must be protected at all costs. They are willing to do things that in normal times would be unacceptable to most.

How far are those in charge willing to go to protect what they have created? They have already shown that they will turn a blind eye to people suffering. To the most part it is not reported, out of sight, out of mind as they say. Would they be willing to go as far as Sal and commit the ultimate act of murder? Would people abandon her like in the book or would they simply accept it as a necessary evil?

401532 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #694 of 1550 🔗

‘Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely’.

401659 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #695 of 1550 🔗

We are in a live ‘Stanford experiment’!

401935 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jinks, 2, #696 of 1550 🔗

which shows that the ‘I was only following orders’ excuse, while legally ineffective, is psychologically valid

401825 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #697 of 1550 🔗

Would they be willing to go as far as Sal and commit the ultimate act of murder?

You think those responsible haven’t committed murder yet ? Mwah ha ha ha.

401975 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #698 of 1550 🔗

Some of the lockdown zealots have come close to saying that people who don’t wear masks deserve being killed to prevent them from “killing” others.

401535 davews, replying to davews, 19, #699 of 1550 🔗

Just back from our church Zoom service. One couple with face mask and visor because they have tested positive and are isolating. Didn’t think it was a requirement for husband and wife to wear masks inside their own homes in isolation? I found it a bit difficult to follow her full story as trying to hear somebody in a visor over Zoom is not that easy. But it seems she works in a care home. All the residents have been vaccinated but they (and her) have all now tested positive! She was due to be vaccinated the day after she was due to be vaccinated, that has now been delayed for a month under the rules.

Speculation I know but more evidence that vaccination does nothing to stop the positives in care homes and may well cause them.

401548 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to davews, 19, #700 of 1550 🔗

Who would have thought that injecting someone with something that alters their body to produce something that looks similar to the deadly virus would mean that a test that detects viral material would throw up a positive?

It’s a mystery…

401561 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to davews, 21, #701 of 1550 🔗

I’ve asked in a FOI request to DHSC, PHE and the NHS 2 weeks ago so reply should be back in the next couple of weeks:

“1 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the recent big rise in “positive test rates” using the RT-PCR test and it having any link to with the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes as it could just be a reaction to the body’s immune response to the recently received vaccination(s)? This is listed as a possibility in one of the test kit manufacturer’s detailed information sheets on the RT-PCR test.

1a – if so, please supply the research report.

2 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in the over 70s age group as this is the demographic currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

2a – if so, please supply the research report.

3 – Is any research being undertaken to investigate the rises reported in the last 3 ONS Deaths Preliminary Reports of deaths in over 70s in hospitals and care homes as these are the locations currently being targeted by the vaccination programmes and the deaths having any link to the recent influenza and covid-19 vaccination programmes?

3a – if so, please supply the research report.

4 – Is a study being made into the very similar rise in “positive test rates” that have happened in the UK mirroring similar rises in Portugal and Israel after they commenced influenza and/or covid-19 vaccination programmes?”

401604 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #702 of 1550 🔗

Spot on.

401605 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #703 of 1550 🔗

If people outside of this Blog could read your FOI requests and the enlightening responses there would be a huge increase in Sceptics (although I think there are many more of us out there than we know). You not only ask the most intelligent of questions, focussed, clear and based on truth but you also get really informative replies. I know I, for one, have learned a lot from your FOIs. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for providing these. They are far more informative than some of the articles.

401609 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to davews, 5, #704 of 1550 🔗

I am not a biologist or virologist, but, surely if the ‘vaccine’ provokes the cell to manufacture the so-called spike protein, this must mean that there is viral RDA being generated which will then be detected in the PCR test.

Comments please if you have a better understanding of this.

401660 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basileus, 1, #705 of 1550 🔗

From a test kit manufacturer’s technical documentation:

Cross-reactivity with respiratory tract organisms other than those listed in the Analytical Specificity Study may lead to erroneous results.

So I guess it means the test will cross react with other things so distinct possibility the “vaccine” is generating a response in the body that tests positive.

401668 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #706 of 1550 🔗

So. Cold germ. Sniffle.Test. Positive.Life stops, not only for the testee but for everyone around him, including his children’s school – if it’s open, that it.

401718 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 1, #707 of 1550 🔗

In the very excellent presentation to Coronaausschuss by Dr Schmidt-Krueger, she was asked if she has an explanation for people testing positive after the vax. She said the vax should not cause it, and she had no explanation for this phenomenon.
Sadly if one does not speak German, the presentation is difficult to follow.

401538 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 26, #708 of 1550 🔗

“The Government has made clear that it is against a universal vaccine passport scheme on civil liberties and cost grounds.”

Sorry guys, but if I need a ‘vaccine’, aka poisonous experimental gene therapy, passport to travel, work, visit a stadium, restaurant, shop or supermarket, it is the very definition of a discriminatory, civil liberty and human rights crushing instrument.
Who do you think you’re fooling Messrs Johnson, Hancock&co?!

401564 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to JayBee, 20, #709 of 1550 🔗

They are against it – but they are planning to roll it out anyway. What sort of f***ed up thinking is that?

I had an e-mail ‘discussion’ with my useless MP, Demonic Drab recently. He (or rather his equally useless and pathetic private secretary) did say that there ‘are no plans’ to make the vaccine compulsory but point blank refused to enter into any debate about whether coercion tactics such as denial of services, travel, shopping, social life, leaving one’s home etc would be adopted.

Think that tells us everything we need to know doesn’t it.

401741 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JayBee, 5, #710 of 1550 🔗

look, if it was really just about stopping the spread of a seasonal respiratory virus and saving the lives of the kinds of people who die from that kind of thing, they would have been doing this with the flu vaccine for the past 6 decades. Do you think the government really gives a flying fuck about the spread of winter viruses, or saving the lives of the sick and old? they’ve never given a monkeys about it before, so what’s changed? I am convinced – whether it’s intuition or something more – that this vaccine is intended as a genocide, the most evil and audacious one that the world has yet seen. I suspect it’s intended to kick in as an autoimmune response when the system encounters some common virus, so it will take a while for the sheep to understand that it is happening, and that the ‘real’ death spike is not simply a continuation of the fake one that has held them hypnotised for the past year.

401553 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #711 of 1550 🔗

Speaking to the son last night and he mentioned something strange about the old school friend who was a nurse and hospitalised after having the covid jab.

She was an avid farcebook poster before she went to hospital.

She has posted nothing since that day and made no contact with anyone and no-one in the group has heard anything from her.

The farcebook pages and accounts of her and all her family have been deleted and they do not answer any attempts to contact them to find out if she is OK or not.

Son says it’s like they have disappeared from the face of the earth.

All very strange.

A friend reports that his elderly Mum had a really abd reaction after she was jabbed (don’t know which one) but is lowly recovering.

He’s been told “purely coincidental” her having the jab and then feeling like shit just afterwards, she is getting on a bit and is ill anyway so picks up bugs easily – almost word for word from the MHRA statements..

401712 ▶▶ iane, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #712 of 1550 🔗

“disappeared” – nope, needs a “been” in front!

401562 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #713 of 1550 🔗

I was trying to remember the name of this story which I read years ago, maybe at school, and managed to find it. I feel like the Pedestrian in the silent city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pedestrian

“The story features Leonard Mead, a citizen of a television -centered world in November 2131. In the city, sidewalks have fallen into decay. Mead enjoys walking through the city at night, something which no one else does. “In ten years of walking by night or day, for thousands of miles, he had never met another person walking, not one in all that time.” On one of his usual walks, he encounters a police car, which is possibly robotic. It is the only police unit in a city of three million, since the purpose of law enforcement has disappeared with everyone watching television at night. When asked about his profession, Mead tells the car that he is a writer, but the car does not understand, since no one buys books or magazines in the television-dominated society. The police car and its occupants can neither of them understand why Mead would be out walking for no reason, and so they decide to take him to the Psychiatric Center for Research on Regressive Tendencies and force him into the car.

As the car passes through his neighborhood, Leonard Mead in the locked confines of the back seat says, “That’s my house,” as he points to a house warm and bright with all its lights on, unlike all other houses. There is no reply, and the story concludes.”

401641 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #714 of 1550 🔗

Yes – wonderful story, remember reading that.

The story was written by Ray Bradbury, who despite living for decades in Los Angeles, never had a car.

Another prescient 20th Century writer in so many respects. I wonder what he would have written about this sitauation

Of course with nightime curfews in many countries even just walking around at night is more difficult.

401569 Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Dominich, 107, #715 of 1550 🔗

There are no words strong enough that I can use to express my utter disgust as to what has happened to a well regarded, highly professional and truthful scientist, Mike Yeadon, at the hands of a small, inconsequential, grossly incompetent, petty minded Journalist from the Guardian, that well known Government propaganda rag.

I want to say this to Mike Yeadon, yes I can understand you withdrawing from Twitter, hate campaigns are seriously injurious to anybody’s well-being. However, please please, do not leave the debate because you are one of the only scientists, alongside Clair Craig, Heneghan, the GBD scientists and a few others. We need the voice of truth more than ever and you have been excelled at getting the truth out there which is why you have suffered the attacks you have. However, there are many other platforms, Bitchute, Brand New Tube, GAB and other media outlets such as OffGuardian who would welcome well researched, factual articles about vaccines and this whole sorry shitshow. There’s RT UK, The Light Paper and others who would also welcome your articles. Please keep going. The MSM have done their worse and it wasn’t that great at the end of the day.

I am sorry that Mike Yeadon has lost some posts he holds on the back of this. I think he should start a Crowdfunding page to sue George Monbiot, the blogger from Cumbria and the Guardian for Defamation of Character and Libel. There are several planks to these legal proceedings. The main two are (i) It is not necessary for the ‘facts’ published to be true and (ii) the Test in Law is whether it was written with the aim of damaging the person’s reputation publicly which subsequently has caused them serious damage to their professional reputation and associated resultant losses. In Mike Yeadon’s case these tests are already in evidence. He has suffered significant loss of professional status. He needs to Sue them, give it large I say, the larger the better. Get the best Barrister and start that crowd funding. I have a very low level of disposable income but I would willingly give as much as I can of it to any crowd funding started on Mike Yeadon’s behalf and go without something else. As George Orwell said : “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act” – or something like that anyway.

Also, I would like to see a BOYCOTT THE GUARDIAN campaign started on Social Media. I don’t do any kind of social media so have no idea how these things start but it would be good if one could get off the ground.

Otherwise, I am feeling remarkably upbeat today. Like yesterday’s Poster, Johnson’s back is up against the wall big time now. He’s got idiots, and I mean complete and utter idiots like Hooper from NHS Providers talking absolute bollocks. He’s got Witty, an evil, Svengali figure who seems to hold a lot of sway over Johnson and SAGE generally and is a liar, a cheat and has massive vested interests in this. I bet you he is also under severe pressure from the CRG Group and the 1922 Committee to lift the restrictions or face a Leadership contest. The truth is now beginning to get through on a larger scale coupled with a Nation who have had enough of all this goalpost moving and restrictions.

Light the blue touch paper.

401591 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jo Dominich, 45, #716 of 1550 🔗

Excellent. And as others here have said already, surely Lockdown Sceptics editorial should write a piece about Mike Yeadon’s treatment. Perhaps including an interview with him? Ignoring the plight of a key contributor to this site is not acceptable.

401601 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 28, #717 of 1550 🔗

The silence here ATL on this subject is both concerning and disturbing.

401754 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to leggy, 2, #718 of 1550 🔗

I wouldn’t criticise them, they may wonder who’ll be next.

401655 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to godowneasy, 9, #719 of 1550 🔗

Maybe they will, with his blessing, but he perhaps needs a little time and space to regroup mentally before he will want to be interviewed or give any statements. I’m sure I would.

401711 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #720 of 1550 🔗

I think you are absolutely right. He’ll be back.

401661 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #721 of 1550 🔗

Anybody know an e-mail or other contact so’s we can send Yeadon a message of support?

401717 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Annie, 4, #722 of 1550 🔗

I was wondering that Annie. If anyone has any details ATL even, could they let us know.

402553 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, #723 of 1550 🔗
401742 ▶▶ John001, replying to Jo Dominich, 8, #724 of 1550 🔗

I was wondering if Bob Marshall-Andrews the former left-wing Lab MP (1997-2010) is still taking on special cases, like this. He was a renowned QC and together with David Davis and some other libertarian Labour and Tory MPs fought hard to stop Blair removing all our civil liberties. If he and Sumption have retired, it’s a bit hard on Francis Hoar who seems to be the only one left.

401763 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John001, 1, #725 of 1550 🔗

My God, I thought Bob Marshall-Andrews had died! Yes, he’d be an ideal focus for opposition to the narrative.

401817 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to John001, #726 of 1550 🔗

Now that’s a thought.

402338 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Jo Dominich, #727 of 1550 🔗

Ah, George Monbiot, the “Great Moonbat” who I remember from his (sometimes flawed) attacks on one of my heroes, Christopher Booker, who I suspect Moonbat would have banned if he could.

402550 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #728 of 1550 🔗

We are all with Mike!

401578 Major Panic, 13, #729 of 1550 🔗

This was posted earlier, well worth a watch – this is the incredibly brave fella who refused to shut his gym, the council using dirty tactics in court…

I will certainly contribute to the crowd funding for his appeal

Its the little people, when we get together, that will crush this madness

https://www.facebook.com/gayzer.tarjanyi/videos/10223106702248234

401583 TheClone, 8, #730 of 1550 🔗

Vaxx Passport is Weaponizing Health! Weaponzing it against people!

401590 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 31, #731 of 1550 🔗

The comments on Sumption’s piece at the Mail are not moderated and the uptick count is massively in favour of his sentiments. The ghastly “Fraisy Lou” of 77th Brigade/Telegraph comments has turned up there too.

401596 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Starlin, 22, #732 of 1550 🔗

Good for Lord Sumption – still getting his powerful message across.

401650 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #733 of 1550 🔗

Yes, his piece is excellent. One of the most telling comments he made was about the personality of our current PM “a follower not a leader”. Always looking for the “popular” thing to do. What a vain tart the current PM is.
It would be great if Lord Sumption could relax in a well deserved retirement but if things do get better we’ll need someone like him to help draft a constitution which prevents a parliament from ever locking up a healthy population again.

401602 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #734 of 1550 🔗

VIDEO Italian MP Sara Cunial Speech On Bill Gates Insider Paper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6KlEmnQxY&t=0s

402333 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #735 of 1550 🔗

Wasn’t wrong was she.

401608 Polonium1806, 1, #736 of 1550 🔗

Sound of things to come, released in October 2019, industrial prophecy.

401610 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #737 of 1550 🔗

Brazil, no, Glasgow.

“Nippy Krankie
@NKrankie
·
1h
Glasgow. 10 cops burst into a bedroom where a couple are watching TV. Half of them are unmasked. They hurl the boy against the wall and scream into his face with no mask on. They throw the dog down the hallway. Based of fake covid party snitch.”

Daily Record link on tweet.

https://twitter.com/NKrankie/status/1358370176144728064?s=20

401620 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Basics, 8, #738 of 1550 🔗

Unbelievable, f*****g unbelievable. That couple should sue the Police for assault for one, for invasion of privacy two and a myriad other things. Get a good lawyer, the best if they can.

401703 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basics, 2, #739 of 1550 🔗

Terrifying what has happened to our Country. 10 police officers!!!! Has crime disappeared???

401707 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #740 of 1550 🔗

In the meantime, 10 stabbings in Sarff London – where are the Police? Fining people for sitting on benches!

401612 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 8, #741 of 1550 🔗

OK, just a little pin-prick… there’ll be no more ‘AAARRRGGGHHH’, but you may feel a little sick.

Which brings me on to one of the most mysterious elements of this whole dystopia for me; ‘What happened to rock ‘n’ roll?” I would have thought this was all a total wet dream for Roger Waters, or any of the stars of the glory days of rock music between 1965 and 2000. What are the Radiohead lads up to? I haven’t researched this particularly hard but from a cursory glance, it’s only Van Morrison and Ian Brown who have anything to say at all.

It just seems very odd. And as far as TV goes… Charlie Booker of Black Mirror fame… surely this is his propehcy coming true. But he seems to be on the side of the government. What is going on?

401616 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Hughie, 5, #742 of 1550 🔗

Rock and roll was a weapon by the US military against the public, so they are quiet on this psyop.

401628 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Hughie, 2, #743 of 1550 🔗

Reminds me of the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club tune, Whatever Happened to My Rock ‘N Roll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaNkRBV3dUM

Their tune Spread Your Love (like a Fever) might also scare off unwanted lockdown zealots if played loud enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpbjprHivM

401684 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Hughie, 5, #744 of 1550 🔗

The old 60’s rockers are a dying breed., and of course very rich. Van and Clappo have been ok, but Macca appeared shockingly in the Sun saying ‘get jabbed’ The ageing punk rockers are the same, soft as shite,. Roger Waters was always a bag of wind now he has something real too vent his theatrical anger on…..silence.

401782 ▶▶ jos, replying to Hughie, 1, #745 of 1550 🔗

Good question- Derren Brown should be well up on the techniques being used.. and there are a number of groups that seem to be strangely silent: where are the politicians? /The royal family?/ The GPs / The clergy: all these ‘institutions ‘ some people might once have trusted are saying nothing – so strange .. it’s as if a government coup has silenced them all (Buckingham Palace is currently boarded up during ‘renovations ‘)..

402378 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to jos, #746 of 1550 🔗

where the fuck are the human rights lawyers in fact where is the whole law profession even the ambulance chasers, they have all been silenced.

402078 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Hughie, 1, #747 of 1550 🔗

I saw a youtube video about this a few months ago and they were saying the music business is a corporate lovein with the government so they wouldn’t allow any dissenting musicians if there were any (or words to that effect).

402345 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to penelope pitstop, #748 of 1550 🔗

I am hugely disappointed in the “fuck the police” Punks. Where did all that anti-establishment hatred go?

401618 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #749 of 1550 🔗

Devi “I’m not a scientist” Shittar definitely isn’t an anti-alcohol fanatic with an agenda or anything, oh no.

https://www.nature.com/articles/482302a

“The World Health Organization is the only body that can promote health through the use of international law. It should make alcohol its next target, says Devi Sridhar.
Unlike any other global-health body, the World Health Organization (WHO) can create legally binding conventions, and it only requires a two-thirds majority vote to do so. Yet this power is vastly underused. In more than 60 years, this United Nations agency has produced only two major treaties: the International Health Regulations, which require countries to report certain disease outbreaks and public-health events; and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which commits governments to making legislative moves to reduce the demand for, and supply of, tobacco. The WHO has shown a reluctance to use hard legal instruments. Instead, it tries to influence societal norms through guidelines and recommendations 1 . This is a major missed opportunity.
Now is the time for the WHO to take a bold step and move towards a third treaty to protect world health. There is an obvious target. About 2.5 million deaths a year, almost 4% of all deaths worldwide, are attributed to alcohol — more than the number of deaths caused by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis or malaria.”

401625 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #750 of 1550 🔗

Time to stock up.

401666 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #751 of 1550 🔗

Can we not just treat the silly prat for verbal diarrhoea and then all go down the pub!

401671 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to stefarm, 2, #752 of 1550 🔗

These people are deadly serious.

401826 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #753 of 1550 🔗

I know mate, very dangerous people.

402350 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to stefarm, 1, #754 of 1550 🔗

Pub`s shut.

401686 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #755 of 1550 🔗

Devi Shittar needs a good talking to, with a Baseball bat..

401693 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #756 of 1550 🔗

I’m in. I hate these people and no longer consider them human.

401759 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #757 of 1550 🔗

Got an email from Sinead Murphy at Newcastle Uni thanking me for thanking her for her article ATL here about Sridhar- said sorry it’d taken her so long to reply but she’s had so many messages of support ….I knew I’d heard your name somewhere before BTW, no mail trains to rob these days, eh? Hang loose, rock on, keep stirring it, brother.

401790 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #758 of 1550 🔗

More than the number of deaths caused by Covid!!! She should drop all the covid guff right now and move onto alcohol surely?

401948 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #759 of 1550 🔗

What percentage of births? Ugly people need love too. 7 units/week is the bottom of the J curve so she’s talking balls again. Alcoholic daddy problems?

401622 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 20, #760 of 1550 🔗

In Gemany a legal action by a group of lawyers has resulted in the release of Email correspondence, showing tht the government pressued scientists – in March – to produce modelling, which would deliver the justification for ‘preventative and repressive’ measures.

Link in German

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article225864597/Interner-E-Mail-Verkehr-Innenministerium-spannte-Wissenschaftler-ein.html

So, once again it appears that science is ‘following the government’

These were political decisions, and considerable pressure was exerted in a number of countries to make sure the scientists said the right things.

401675 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 2, #761 of 1550 🔗

That’s quite a find. Conspiracy of government you might say.

401629 nic, replying to nic, 14, #762 of 1550 🔗

If restrictions aren’t lifted by April it will be time to take to the streets and demonstrate they cant get away with this bs

401633 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to nic, 20, #763 of 1550 🔗

It won’t happen. One thing that is quite clear is the amazing capacity of the majority of the UK population to keep taking it on the chin. Ordinarily, I would consider this to be quite a positive trait but not in this instance,

401704 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #764 of 1550 🔗

But, there is no doubt that there has been a radical change in compliance and attitude to all this now. Over here where I live the mood is what I can best describe as anger and highly sceptic. Over the past three weeks the town centre has been exceedingly busy in this nice winter sun. Comments in some MSM are getting more sceptical but rational and challenging towards the Govt (those on MSM who do not moderate their comments MSM like the Graun block everything that is not establishment narrative).

It is clear that the majority of people have had enough. Fuck the virtue signallers and snitches, their judgement day is coming. Revolutionary behaviour might build very slowly in the UK but when it lets rip it will be fuelled by considerable anger and will probably be very effective.

401709 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #765 of 1550 🔗

It doesn’t need a majority. A significant minority would be enough to change things.

401643 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nic, 18, #766 of 1550 🔗

they cant get away with this bs”

Sorry – but they already have. Several times.

401630 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 64, #767 of 1550 🔗

Last March a woman in a supermarket queue said quite loudly and confidently that all we had to do was stay home for three weeks and watch Netflix. I told her she was mistaken if she honestly believed that was ‘all we had to do’ and once a lockdown strategy was in motion it will be extremely difficult to prise a way out of it and that I wouldn’t be surprised if we were still in the same situation if not worse (it is) for at least a year. She laughed at me, as did several others, with one telling me not to talk such rot. I truly wish they had been right and I was the one mistaken ….. but hey-ho.

401651 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 28, #768 of 1550 🔗

This arrogant attitude by the general public continues to pervade like the word ‘knobhead’ running through the middle of a stick of rock.

Laugh when Chinese labs are blamed, laugh when it is suggested we are experiencing tyranny. Confidently and brashly predict what the next steps will be – “we’ll be Tier 3 for a month, pubs open in two” etc – like this isn’t an entirely made-up, arbitrary set of rules created by winging-it politicians.

‘We are far too smart to be influenced by wall-to-wall advertising or by age-old techniques at changing behaviour’.

‘We couldn’t possibly be hoodwinked’.

Fail to see they have become authoritarian in their attitudes. Parrot the official narrative.

Very worrying to observe it all being played out.

401785 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #769 of 1550 🔗

Exactly what I told people last March, and I got exactly the same response.

They seem quite happy that I was right, however, for some reason. Or more likely they’ve just forgotten.

402060 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #770 of 1550 🔗

Sounds like my neighbour a year ago listening in to a conversation between my son and I with her listening behind the fence and harumphing.

401631 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 32, #771 of 1550 🔗

I had a lovely dream this morning. The government announced the pandemic was over and everyone immediately took their nappies off.
It was a lovely sunny day, and they queued chest to back to go into a building (tourist attraction). No one-in-one-out.
Cafes were full. People embracing each other.

For a few minutes I was so happy!

401658 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 22, #772 of 1550 🔗

Hold on to that vision.It will happen, so long as we don’t give in.
Except for rhe ultrazombies, most people would snatch off their nappies this minute if they dared.

401736 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, 7, #773 of 1550 🔗

I had that yesterday morning, a dreamt of walking into a shopping centre or motorway service station, and saying to Mrs 2-6, “lets not go in it will be terrible”, then going in and finding everybody not wearing FN’s and with me squeezing between tables with everybody happy. I said to one smiley dining lady, “it’s great isn’t it, nobody is wearing face masks”, “yes she said, it’s great isn’t it…
*pop*
Back to groundhog day.

401913 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Silke David, 1, #774 of 1550 🔗

My dreams often feature being in a large group of people. And the strange thing is, I didn’t do that a lot in real life before March 2020. Attending a football match or a big concert, maybe 10 to 20 such events in a year.

401642 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 1, #775 of 1550 🔗

Well the BBC has the explanation for the rise in covid deaths in Scotland care homes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55891326

My imagination is getting 2+2 =5, rightly are wrongly I’m extremely skeptical about this explanation.

401653 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Just about sane, 5, #776 of 1550 🔗

I think there is no explanation at the moment as they are guinea pigs participating in a clinical trial. There is enough evidence to show that treating with Vit D, zinc, HCQ etc is a better and safer solution.

401669 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Just about sane, 4, #777 of 1550 🔗

They expect deaths to go down in a few weeks time? You’d bloody well hope so given what they are seeing. And that will be because of the vaccine then. So why are people dying now?

They try and say it because they have only had one dose which is 62% effective. So why are people dying now?

There is no attempt to answer the question. They simply try and explain it away. Not good enough.

401708 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #778 of 1550 🔗

62% effective”

But what’s the absolute risk reduction?

401710 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #779 of 1550 🔗

If you scroll down to graphs 8 & 9 and the comment above in the link.
No answer but I’m back at 2+2 again.

https://informscotland.uk/2021/02/data-for-6th-february-2021/

401692 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Just about sane, 3, #780 of 1550 🔗

Seems to me that the first bar chart shows a step jump in death rates immediately following the onset of vaccinations.

Nothing to be seen here.

401702 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Just about sane, 1, #781 of 1550 🔗

… but this BBC News page (about the safety of vaccines) is the real corker :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55056016

Independent investigative journalism it isn’t!

(Actually you could use it on a journalism course to show the opposite)

401722 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to RickH, 2, #782 of 1550 🔗

“How do we know a vaccine is safe?
Safety trials begin in the lab, with tests and research on cells and animals, before moving on to human studies.
The principle is to start small and only move to the next stage of testing if there are no outstanding safety concerns.”

Taken from that page. I haven’t read anywhere about testing on animals. Have they? If not the public need to be told the whole truth. Not what suits the narrative. Lives are at stake and I am genuinely concerned about this.

401806 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Just about sane, 3, #783 of 1550 🔗

There were no animal trials.The whole vaccine rollout is a trial that is due to end in 2023

401927 ▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #784 of 1550 🔗

YOU are the guinea pig

402266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to cubby, #785 of 1550 🔗

Or mouse…

401974 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Just about sane, 2, #786 of 1550 🔗

They couldn’t do animal trials because that would have curtailed the intended roll out…as the animals would have died. As Dolores Cahill explains here, the reason mRNA vaccines have never been successful previously is because of the serious adverse reactions observed in animal trials.

https://video.wakkeren.nl/videos/watch/9bd9f602-e5e9-47e0-b35d-8f1bfd78f0f4

401760 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Just about sane, 1, #787 of 1550 🔗

Old people dying??? This is appalling. It must be prevented. Because they have not been able to stop CHD, stroke, cancer, lung disease, renal disease etc from ending life they have hit upon the wizard wheeze of converting all these old age deaths into deaths from an infectious agent and therefore prone to prevention measures, whose obvious failure to stop people dying of old age (who knew) can be blamed on their not having been pursued with sufficient rigour. A PH specialist’s wet dream: endless ‘war on…’ Yeah another one. War on covid, war on climate, war on drugs, war on terror, war on inequality…etc in absence of ‘war’. Societal autoimmune disorder.
I once asked a PH doctor what it was ok to die of since everything was the subject of massive prevention drives. She didn’t answer. Does not compute.

401894 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Just about sane, 3, #788 of 1550 🔗

I don’t know why you all get in a twist about these figures. It’s easy and the graph at the bottom of the article proves that the vaccine is 95% effective, just as they claim.
Look at deaths one week after vaccination. 60.
Look at deaths 2 weeks after vaccination. 63.
Now look at deaths on 4th Jan. 115. Now I’m not a statistician but 60 plus 95% must be about 115. So the vaccine has caused a 95% increase in care home deaths! As I said, I’m not a statistician…….

401644 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #789 of 1550 🔗

We are all aware that this virus is so dangerous that 98.7% of those infected will survive.
That is 98.7% of a random sample of the population I’m told.
What is the risk for someone who:
a) Takes high dose Vit D +K regularly i.e +4000 IU per day.
b) Has quick access to Invermectin.

I’d be interested to know what a statistical bod could make of the cumulative risks when those 2 major preventatives are deployed.

401648 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #790 of 1550 🔗

What you’re talking about is a proper RCT.

In every situation, the government (‘follow the science’) has steered away for any such science.

401697 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #791 of 1550 🔗

99.8 to 99.9 % survival rate – Ioannidis.

Using the fabricated death figures – underlying conditions, lockdown deths etc.

So, the real survival rate is higher.

401645 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #792 of 1550 🔗

The Pfizer vax instructions specifically require a post-vax observation period of at least 15 minutes.
Here’s another way the rules have been reinvented: comment image

401647 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #793 of 1550 🔗

I spotted that image lurking in the Sumption article in the Mail and wondered the same.

401654 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 22, #794 of 1550 🔗

Tumbleweed moment!

401706 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steeve, 9, #795 of 1550 🔗

Follow the gourd!
No, follow the shoe!

401764 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Annie, 1, #796 of 1550 🔗

I had to check but I thought I was right!

DavidC

401813 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steeve, 1, #797 of 1550 🔗

Least their one led them to grass. Our one is leading us deeper and deeper into a sterile wasteland.

401656 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 22, #798 of 1550 🔗

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign

This is the kind of warped world we now live in. So, there was a conspiracy to steal the US election, but it was a virtuous alignment of Big Tech, Democrat law makers, BLM and bottom up defenders of democracy. These heroes saved the US from totalitarianism by changing voting laws, censoring bad orange faced men, and organising massive scale mail in voting.

We should all be thankful

401728 ▶▶ iane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #799 of 1550 🔗

Well, I am very thankful {that I’m now in my late 60s!].

401748 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #800 of 1550 🔗

Even I was shocked when I read that piece- the sheer scale and shamelessness of the lying in what, as far as I’m aware, still purports to be a reputable major publication, is horrifying. But it will find a receptive audience. Unfortunately- tragically- many useful idiots genuinely appear to think that when their hated opponent has been sedulously and systematically built up to appear to be- “you know, literally Hitler!”- any means of disposing of him is a fortiori justifiable. They seem to have no understanding of the fact that, quite inevitably, when their idiocy ceases to be of use, they’ll get precisely the same treatment: this seems to be a lesson from history which will always remain unlearned- first they came, et cetera.

401803 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #801 of 1550 🔗

It read like an explanation of how they stole the election.Only 1/4 of votes cast was in the traditional way.Huge monetary support and censorship from the tech giants.
I hope they are happy with the corrupt,senile,warmonger they have elected.

401915 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #802 of 1550 🔗

Yep, saw this reported yesterday.. looks to me – very much like a confession, spun for the readership, destined to get ahead of something. Trump still apparently has 25 ongoing lawsuits related to the 2020 election, some of which will be heard this month.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-is-winning-election-lawsuits-in-case-you-havent-heard

402030 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #803 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for that link!

401662 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 60, #804 of 1550 🔗

**Covid: What would a ‘vaccine passport’ allow you to do?**

‘The system could permit a return for fans to sporting events, as long as they can prove they have received a vaccine.

At the Super Bowl in Florida, for example, a reduced crowd including 7,500 inoculated medical professionals will be allowed to attend at the weekend.

The idea could also be spread to other activities, such as going to restaurants, bars or the cinema, for example, with visitors being able to prove their vaccination with their vaccine passport.’

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-05/covid-what-would-a-vaccine-passport-allow-you-to-do

LS reported this without much comment. This is a frightening story. I’m potentially going to be banned from going to the football, out for a meal, to the pub, to the pictures, and heaven knows where else (because if this goes through then, logically, all public places are up for grabs), because I refuse to have an unproven novel biotechnology based vaccine for a virus that, even granting government’s false assumptions/figures, has a mortality rate of 0.15% of the population.

This is utterly frightening.

401689 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #805 of 1550 🔗

This has been ruled out by Nadhim Zahawi on the Marr show today….. We’ll see what happens.

BBC – https://www.bbc.com/news/55970801
Mr Zahawi had previously said that the government was “looking at the technology” to create vaccine passports, leading to accusations from critics that civil liberties would be infringed.
But speaking on the Marr show, Mr Zahawi insisted that was not the plan.
He said there were several reasons why vaccine passports would not be introduced, not least because the vaccine was not mandatory in the UK.
“That’s not how we do things. We do them by consent,” he said.
Mr Zahawi said vaccine passports would be “discriminatory” and it wasn’t clear what impact they would have on transmission of the virus.
He said people could talk to their doctor if they needed written evidence to travel.

401726 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to godowneasy, 8, #806 of 1550 🔗

Thanks, g.

‘Mr Zahawi had previously said that the government was “looking at the technology” to create vaccine passports… But speaking on the Marr show, [he] insisted that was not the plan.’

Then why did you previously hint at the idea?

‘He said there were several reasons why vaccine passports would not be introduced, not least because the vaccine was not mandatory in the UK. “That’s not how we do things. We do them by consent,” he said.’

Yeah, well, things can change, as we know only too well. I didn’t consent to being imprisoned in my home and only being ‘allowed out’ once a day. You sociopathic criminals grant yourselves new powers as you see fit.

‘Mr Zahawi said vaccine passports would be “discriminatory” and it wasn’t clear what impact they would have on transmission of the virus.’

Note the wriggle room he leaves himself here. What if it becomes ‘clear’ (Government’s definition of ‘clear’) that the impact of the vaccine on transmission was ‘great’? What then?

‘He said people could talk to their doctor if they needed written evidence to travel.’

What an utterly limp-wristed response. That *begs the question* of ‘written evidence’ being sufficient. If the place of destination decides that’s not sufficient then the doctor’s ‘written evidence’ is useless.

401751 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #807 of 1550 🔗

Agree with all that. This is not over by any means. But it’s useful to remember what was said so that when it changes in future it can be challenged.

401870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 23, #808 of 1550 🔗

Whitty said face knickers didn’t work . Boris said we would have Christmas and it aould be inhuman to cancel it. Wankok said he was a freedom-loving Conservative. Dungford said children’s education was incredibly important.
And the moon turned blue, and a herd of pigs flew overhead and settled singing in the trees.

401986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, 5, #809 of 1550 🔗

The European council came out strongly against vaccine Passports and discrimination.
A day later it stated that none of this was binding to national governments and that they Can do as they please.
Solely a figleaf gathering and statement, in case things go wrong and there were future prosecutions.

401885 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to godowneasy, 4, #810 of 1550 🔗

They seem to be backing off a bit although of course things can change.

401775 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 18, #811 of 1550 🔗

“That’s not how we do things. We do them by consent,” he said.

Has he been living on Mars for the last 11 months??!!

401890 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #812 of 1550 🔗

I would say that the authorities in Greece do it by aggression whereas it is more passive-aggressive in Britain.

401970 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, 3, #813 of 1550 🔗

By consent….
Like our policing?!

401700 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #814 of 1550 🔗

LDS supports Vaxxes. Toby et al are all for them. To return to ‘normalcy’.

How many vaxxes would we need? One a quarter for how long? Certainly not one and done. So many ‘variants’ to wet our diapers over…..Would your passport be updated after each jab? And who pays for that? What if the vaxxes don’t stop transmission (they won’t, no flu vaxx does)….then what and why?

401772 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 6, #815 of 1550 🔗

What exactly do you mean by “LDS”? It’s not a political party – just a website, mainly run by TY with help from others. Can you point me to anything TY or “et al” whoever they are has said that indicates they are “all for them”?

401714 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #816 of 1550 🔗

No don’t worry there would be a huge black market if they are foolish enough to push this idea.

401724 ▶▶ iane, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #817 of 1550 🔗

Quite – and just why is LS reporting this dead-pan?

401739 ▶▶ jos, replying to JohnDanny, 5, #818 of 1550 🔗

It’s where we are – and not a surprise as all of this was in the leaked Canada timetable for this ‘pandemic’ aimed at crippling our economy and destroying our culture – they’re not even hiding it at this point.

401758 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #819 of 1550 🔗

This is utterly frightening.

Probably best not to get so terrified by proposed abstract future things. Rip down a few signs instead, or stick up some posters.

401967 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #820 of 1550 🔗

And as per your government and the MSM, you are not being discriminated against when refusing to get vaccinated and therefore prohibited from doing anything.
One cannot really make anything up anymore….

401665 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 38, #821 of 1550 🔗

Did a lap with the family around one of Liverpool’s big city parks earlier. Despite us getting there around 10am it was already busy with dog walkers, runners, cyclists and families stretching their legs. Playgrounds were full of happy children, barely a muzzle or a bottle of hand sanitiser in sight. Nobody jumping out of each other’s path like frightened rabbits.

Always makes me chuckle when I think of Whitty saying how well the lockdown has been observed – he’s clearly not stepped outside of central London!

401685 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Scotty87, 8, #822 of 1550 🔗

I’ve genuinely been wondering what things are like in Liverpool, knowing the city a little and understanding something of its “Scouse exceptionalism” attitude.

401733 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #823 of 1550 🔗

I live in the Wirral, and it has been fairly obvious that the Merseyside police (filth) have been told to use a very light touch on this, almost certainly due to the wish to not see the constabulary vehicles reduced to flaming wrecks.

The only trouble we have had is on the seafront at Parkgate in the south of the Wirral, where the filth “dispersed” people sitting on the seafront with bags of chips. Leaving aside the outrageous behaviour of the filth in this regard, this was the Cheshire force, who have form for heavy-handedness.

Unfortunately, although I have clients in the area, I didn’t have any solid reason to go there, which I was trying to do, just to make a point. I know that there are no limits on distance travelled for exercise, but I like to be on totally-solid ground if I am going out to deliberately make a point.

401831 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RichardJames, 4, #824 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for the info, my sceptic mate up there says similar.

401868 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RichardJames, 4, #825 of 1550 🔗

In Gulag Wales we aren’t allowed to travel for exercise at all. So, of course, we don’t.

402111 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Annie, 3, #826 of 1550 🔗

Ha, Ha! And the Heddlu on the North Wales Coast wonder why they are so hated.

402358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to RichardJames, #827 of 1550 🔗

because they are fucking money grabbing cunts, speed traps, 50mph sped limits with cameras for 30 miles of roads they are dungfords storm troopers. I love visiting north wales but I hate the way its changed in 5 years, i live in Wirral too. Speed cameras all over the place, 50 mph on the MOTORWAY going past Sealand into Wales. Denbigh Moors speed traps, everywhere.

401768 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Scotty87, 3, #828 of 1550 🔗

Thing is he says it is being well observed whilst at the same time saying that we are bending the rules too much and not staying at home. No one seems to notice this discrepancy however. They just nod along happily.

401827 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Scotty87, 6, #829 of 1550 🔗

Same situation in London, so I’m not sure where Whitty is hanging out.

402361 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to End of Tether, #830 of 1550 🔗

in his hairdresser, ever notice their hair never gets longer and i always neatly trimmed, just like all the MP’s football players, tv presenters and so on. its amazing

401672 Will, replying to Will, 6, #831 of 1550 🔗

So here is a question, if Johnson had got covid and got over it without being hospitalised would we still be in lockdown?

401681 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Will, 17, #832 of 1550 🔗

yes, because Johnson would still be johnson – weak as piss

401688 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 8, #833 of 1550 🔗

Yes – because many heads of government in many other countries never had anything, and they are still in lockdown

401698 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 19, #834 of 1550 🔗

You seem to be assuming Johnson is in charge. He’s just a puppet, i have no idea who’s pulling his strings but its clear he isn’t a leader.

401731 ▶▶ jos, replying to Will, 9, #835 of 1550 🔗

You don’t really believe that story do you? It was one of those ‘morale-boosting’ moments like him going camping and having a baby that were dreamed up by the spinners – we’re duped on a daily basis.

401801 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to jos, 4, #836 of 1550 🔗

What is it you think didn’t happen?

You only have to look at him before and after. Not just his appearance but his posture, his facial expression, his turn of speech, his now absent joie de vivre.

The man had a bad time, and I’ve no doubt that his experience (and the way it was exploited the media) have had a profound effect on the nation’s path through the last 12 months.

Honestly, I wish he’d died in hospital. I’d have chipped in for his statue and we’d now be able to have a very different conversation about the NHbleedinS.

401862 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to AidanR, 4, #837 of 1550 🔗

I agree. He was always a weak man but happy. When he was ill (and I do believe he was very ill) he lost all his ebullience never to return. His weakness of character means we are all suffering now. He just can’t see the facts around Covid and won’t because he’s too lazy and scared to look. We need him out of our way as soon as possible. He doesn’t have the integrity to resign after nearly a year of failure and blames the virus, not his incredibly inept handling of it.

402177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WasSteph, #838 of 1550 🔗

Very ill? Hospitalised on Good Friday and bounced back on Easter Sunday? No way!!

401905 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to AidanR, 1, #839 of 1550 🔗

I don’t wish him dead, but I wish he had resigned for health reasons. We would probably then have got Gove, who is a back-stabbing bastard but does show some signs of living in the real world. I don’t know if he would have been any better than Johnson but it’d be hard to be worse.

401922 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Edward, 6, #840 of 1550 🔗

Gove is a snake pushing full vaccine passporting.

402037 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Edward, 2, #841 of 1550 🔗

I’d rather have a PM that was owned by Sarah Vine than one owned by Princess Ecoloon.

402110 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Edward, #842 of 1550 🔗

I wish them all dead, apart from the “ones which are known to us” as being good.

401679 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 40, #843 of 1550 🔗

Thanks ‘Basics’ for re-linking that German article I linked to late last night.

The comments under that article are also very good. Almost exclusively sceptical with the best ones massively upvoted.

Fewer and fewer people believe this shit.

Don’t become downhearted when you see tons of muzzle-wearing. People are doing it mostly because they don’t want to stick out and because they don’t want to be fined.

Remember that one reason for the mask is to create a symbol of conformity, so that any sceptic feels terribly alone. An instrument of demoralization.

401723 ▶▶ iane, replying to rockoman, 9, #844 of 1550 🔗

I hope you are right. Of late, several formerly sensible people I have met in my East Anglian village have turned to the dark side and now try to tell me our ‘leaders’ are doing the best they can (etc, etc). The Goebbels tactics are proving just as successful as last time round. Remember, Vaccine Macht Frei !

401757 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 2, #845 of 1550 🔗

A swallow & summer, rockoman.

It’s going to take a hell of a shift to change things substantially.

401713 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #846 of 1550 🔗

Flicking through the channels as you do.
Came across the repeats of The Vietnam war on PBS America.
30 years and 5 presidents later, the Americans realized that doing the same things over and over again hadn’t achieved anything other than the death of around 4 million military and civilians.
Remind you of anything?

401719 ▶▶ iane, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #847 of 1550 🔗

Yep – Einstein!

401721 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #848 of 1550 🔗

Major General Smedley Butler



WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

401737 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to 2 pence, 2, #849 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for that link, 2P.

401735 ▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #850 of 1550 🔗

My cousin was a producer on the documentary Vietnam a 10000 day War worth a look made by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

401715 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #851 of 1550 🔗

Looking around for some event that might bring people out onto the streets in big numbers for whatever reason, it looks like Rangers could well win the league in Scotland within a month or so for the first time in ten years. Surely it’d be difficult to stop some pretty raucous scenes in the blue half of Greater Glasgow?

401738 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #852 of 1550 🔗

Banks bailing depositors in and limiting ATM withdrawals to say 100 quid a say would probably do it.

Or, perhaps prices rising by 50% a month.

Coming!

401893 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to rockoman, 2, #853 of 1550 🔗

I only take out 100 quid every fortnight or so, as there’s nothing to spend it on. It gives quite a good indication that I’m spending about 7 quid a day on food, which could be about right.

401939 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Edward, 4, #854 of 1550 🔗

The only retail outlet I physically enter these days is my corner shop (who are good as gold about muzzles). Always spend cash in there.

402020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #855 of 1550 🔗

My usual pattern in a week involves two food shopping trips: Lidl and Sainsbury’s, plus market stalls for fish, fruit and veg. And the newsagents on Sunday – they’re good, staff usually unmasked. I pay cash for all of these.

402080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Edward, 1, #856 of 1550 🔗

Just done a monster Tesco C&C – took me three trips laden like an ox to get it all from car to house. Good to go for a month. I go to the market too for fruit, veg, cheese, bread and Italian foodstuffs which is great and a much more human experience than any supermarket can offer. As I spend a week in a different region once a month supporting my mother I will have to do a Co-op visit too there – only store that is officially not an enforcement arm of PHE.

402104 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to rockoman, #857 of 1550 🔗

Some ATMs have started reducing the maximum amount allowed for withdrawals. I keep aclose eye on my accounts to make sure that they don’t pull that stunt on me; my accounts are set to a very large amount in case of a run on the banks.

401745 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #858 of 1550 🔗

Rangers = Protestants = Union Flags = Verboten

If it had been Celtic, well, favoured minority. Pat on head.

401792 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #859 of 1550 🔗

Celtic fans has a party outside Parkhead when they were awarded the league last year.Mild criticism but nothing else changed.

401895 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #860 of 1550 🔗

You think Catholics are favoured in Scotland?

401914 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to jb12, 1, #861 of 1550 🔗

In the meeja. NOT as Catholics the religion though, as a ‘persecuted’ by the Brits minority.

402155 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to James Leary #KBF, #862 of 1550 🔗

Can you cite any evidence, or is it just a feeling?

401807 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #863 of 1550 🔗

Ban alcohol sales

401725 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 20, #864 of 1550 🔗

I’m tempted to post further pictures of the care home debacle without compromising confidentiality what say you!?

401743 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Teddy Edward, 8, #865 of 1550 🔗

Yes please, Teddy – we need to know.

401835 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #866 of 1550 🔗

Definitely if you can do it with no consequences to you or your job.

402167 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Teddy Edward, 2, #867 of 1550 🔗

UK Column would probably give you wider coverage.
Contact Mike or Brian here: https://www.ukcolumn.org/contact

401727 Anti_socialist, 5, #868 of 1550 🔗
401729 rockoman, 6, #869 of 1550 🔗

https://ocla.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/OCLA-Report-2021-1-4th-science-review-for-covid-policy-Reg-364-20-7f.pdf

An excellent analysis by Denis Rancourt of masks and distancing in Ontario,

Of course, applicable everywhere.

Just released.

401730 Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, 11, #870 of 1550 🔗

When the hysteria has subsided the truth will rise to the surface. A prospect that must terrify the currently most powerful voices in Politics/Science/Journalism. Best to keep the hysteria going then I guess…

401752 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Smileits1984, 10, #871 of 1550 🔗

Hysteria never lasts forever.

401781 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Waldorf, 3, #872 of 1550 🔗

True…. doesn’t mean the truth of the matter will ever surface.

401856 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, 4, #873 of 1550 🔗

Also true, but even then it sometimes does. Titus Oates being a phony, for example.

401753 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 63, #874 of 1550 🔗

I thought I would post a wee positive post.

My three children and my husband are all skeptics ( I have to say how pleased I am at raising 3 adults with a hefty dose of skepticism).

Last year my children organised a 60th birthday party for me, at Christmas we visited each others homes as we normally do at Christmas and we gave my eldest granddaughter a 21st birthday party to remember.

We can’t book any venues for these events so they’re in my home usually. We’ve managed to have a girls night at my daughters home as well as the usual visiting each other for months now.

Last night was my husbands turn to have a 60th party again at home. We knew who not to ask ( a few true believers) but one friend of my husbands who’s skeptical spent the evening drinking, eating, laughing and sharing stories with all our children and all our grandchildren. The younger grandchildren spent a lot of the evening in the dark at the playpark. It was a fantastic night and I’m so pleased we are able to do this. It may not have been the big shindig we would normally have but it was wonderful getting to make these memories with our children and grandchildren and to appreciate that not all families are on the same page.

401799 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Just about sane, 8, #875 of 1550 🔗

Thanks. Very uplifting to read that.

402172 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Just about sane, 4, #876 of 1550 🔗

Fantastic post. Thank you for posting that. My smile is as wide as Chelsea Bridge.

401755 Basics, 12, #877 of 1550 🔗

Bad government produces chronic stress from which there is no escape.

Bad government is a damger to life.

In an alternate caring, kind, humane universe this would be widely accepted as fact and seen as criminal.

401761 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 39, #878 of 1550 🔗

From the Telegraph “Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London, told Times Radio that he “can’t see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again”.
“I can’t see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone,” he added.
Prof Spector also suggested that basic infection control measures – including physical distancing, face masks and handwashing – should remain in place as they “don’t cost really anything to do”.
How can he not realise how truly awful masks are?

401765 ▶▶ Mark, replying to arfurmo, 11, #879 of 1550 🔗

The telegraph makes me vomit

401771 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #880 of 1550 🔗

Back to duplicate names?

401783 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Mark, 1, #881 of 1550 🔗

How’s that possible, thought you needed a (unique) log in to post these days?

401797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, 1, #882 of 1550 🔗

Don’t know, but I know I didn’t post that comment.

402099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, 1, #883 of 1550 🔗

Get yourself a picture avatar; a teddy-bear or something. Then we’ll know who is who!

402185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RichardJames, 1, #884 of 1550 🔗

Good idea! Now that you’ve mentioned it, I feel stupid for not having thought of it myself… Duh!

401816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to leggy, 3, #885 of 1550 🔗

Unique email address but presumably not nickname.

401908 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Mark, 1, #886 of 1550 🔗

Especially Paul Nuki

401767 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to arfurmo, 12, #887 of 1550 🔗

A huge number of people are like this. Incomprehensible to those of us who hate them and everything they stand for with a passion.

401769 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to arfurmo, 10, #888 of 1550 🔗

They only destroy cultural and social life.

401770 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to arfurmo, 9, #889 of 1550 🔗

Never mind how truly awful they are – they don’t work!

DavidC

401776 ▶▶ TJN, replying to arfurmo, 8, #890 of 1550 🔗

How can he not realise masks don’t do anything?

401779 ▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 11, #891 of 1550 🔗

The costs are enormous. Not all costs can be measured in Pounds Sterling!

402281 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to leggy, 1, #892 of 1550 🔗

These people are souless empty shells, who think chucking money at everything is the answer.Remember Sumak and retraining creative people ,most if not all value what they do as life affirmng, not just financial, these philistines will never get it…

401788 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to arfurmo, 3, #893 of 1550 🔗

The comments are good.

401800 ▶▶ wendy, replying to arfurmo, 15, #894 of 1550 🔗

So all the lovely vaccines aren’t going to help!!! It seems to me that no one is allowed to talk about whether mass vaccination has any limitations. That seems to be what has happened to Mike Yeadon who I felt was very caring about people.

In terms of LS website I feel the fear of being critical of vaccines comes through in the articles above. Anyone critical will be punished. We will come under extreme pressure to be vaccinated, they will say we must do it to protect others as they say about mask wearing. All the mask wearing in hospitals doesn’t seem to be helping there.

It is going to be very hard and we will need to stick together.

401804 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, 4, #895 of 1550 🔗

Indeed. However ‘informed consent’ should be the most important

401865 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to arfurmo, #896 of 1550 🔗

Yeah, that guy needs rolling up in a rug and ditching off Beachy Head,

402097 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to AidanR, 1, #897 of 1550 🔗

Come, come, dear fellow. I live by the seaside. Can’t have you disposing of all those who deserve it.

There’ll be bodies washing up everywhere.

402106 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RichardJames, 1, #898 of 1550 🔗

I suppose there are gravel pits that would do… or pig farms.

401879 ▶▶ Edward, replying to arfurmo, 2, #899 of 1550 🔗

Distancing rules out all large-scale entertainment and spectator sports.

401888 ▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 6, #900 of 1550 🔗

Masks, SD, mass testing, track and trace, gatherings and crowds gone forever

How can he not realise masks don’t work

And what will change “after the next few years”?

401956 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to arfurmo, 5, #901 of 1550 🔗

Don’t cost anything? What a fuckwit.

401774 bobdavies123, 1, #902 of 1550 🔗

The prospect of Pubs opening but not serving beer reminds me of this Australian song:
https://youtu.be/WFpGQoOBrLY

401780 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #903 of 1550 🔗

COVID-19 And Face Masks- Interview with Denis Rancourt
&

I know this was a topic of debate yesterday Fluoride Awareness- Interview with Paul Connett I’ve not watched it so I don’t know if its any use.

401802 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #904 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for the link – interview with Paul Connett from Fluoride Action Network

• Over the past 20 years, the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) has facilitated the removal of fluoride from the water supplies of hundreds of communities across North America, Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand. This week, we’re helping FAN raise funds to continue their efforts to eliminate water fluoridation worldwide

• In 2017, the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) and coalition partners filed a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s denial of their petition to ban the deliberate addition of fluoridating chemicals to U.S. drinking water. They presented their case before the judge June 8, 2020

• A landmark U.S. government-funded study published in 2017 found a strong relationship between pregnant women’s exposure to fluoride and the subsequent IQ of their offspring.
The higher the fluoride levels of the urine of the women (a measure of their total exposure to fluoride regardless of source), the lower the IQ of the children

• A 2019 study found a nearly 300% increase in ADHD prevalence in adolescents in Canadian communities with fluoridated water supplies, compared to those living in nonfluoridated communities

401784 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 7, #905 of 1550 🔗

Trudeau Suspends $2,000 Hotel Quarantine – Viva Frei Vlawg
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8kbDAKPMfVM/

401851 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to this is my username, 2, #906 of 1550 🔗

Unworkable?

401873 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Waldorf, 4, #907 of 1550 🔗

Unconstitutional

401903 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to this is my username, 9, #908 of 1550 🔗

How odd they did not know that earlier. The constitution is supposed to be the basic law.

401791 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 14, #909 of 1550 🔗

They look rather smug!

401793 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steeve, 8, #910 of 1550 🔗

They wouldn’t be taking the piss like that in Saffron Walden.

401796 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #911 of 1550 🔗

No, they wouldn’t. Max n Paddy and plod would be on ’em like a shot!

401795 Mark, replying to Mark, 23, #912 of 1550 🔗

https://twitter.com/MarkMarksson/status/1358416503633293319

Sadly, looks like the state thugs descended on Kate and Luc’s quicker than expected. I wasn’t there today, so I have no direct knowledge, but this film shows him being assaulted by uniformed thugs trying to put cuffs on him for trying to run a business. Note that it starts with the big brave uniformed thug punching Luc while he’s being held by other thugs.

As I said, this was this morning and I don’t know how it happened. Seems likely they turned up to harass him because his business was open and things escalated.

Yesterday:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/06/latest-news-277/#comment-400758

401808 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 23, #913 of 1550 🔗

Go on…that’s it, put your mask on……how the fuck can it be right for a policeman to be having a fist fight in the middle of the street.

As some of us have said before these goons have been indoctrinated and possibly hypnotised into being thugs and IMO all part of the plan, divide and conquer.

401818 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 10, #914 of 1550 🔗

We haven’t faced physical aggression yet – perhaps they still draw the line at decking women.

401822 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 16, #915 of 1550 🔗

I don’t think they will have any qualms,they have put quite a few women on the ground at the protests.

401844 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 7, #916 of 1550 🔗

I’ll bear that in mind.

401875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 5, #917 of 1550 🔗

Get yourself a pepper spray for self defence.

402013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Edward, 10, #918 of 1550 🔗

Mrs Awkward recommends a spray perfume/deodorant.

Has one handy inher car rady tog rab and spray int anyone’s eyes at a moment’s notice in self-defence.

Works as well as mace or pepper spray and 100% legal.

402052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, #919 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for the tip.

402327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Edward, #920 of 1550 🔗

better have a 12 bore double barrelled, they wouldn’t fuck around so much if it had actual consequences

402207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to kh1485, 1, #921 of 1550 🔗

I’m reliably informed that hairspray does the job nicely 😉

402126 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #922 of 1550 🔗

The TSG don’t!

401819 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 18, #923 of 1550 🔗

Another shocking piece of Police brutality,they know they are being filmed and they don’t give a f**k either which is disturbing,there is something very wrong with a lot of these coppers.In the past I have seen them treat actual violent criminals gently and with kid gloves even to the extent of calling them sir and saying ‘mind your head’ as they carefully put them in a police car

401882 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Paul, 7, #924 of 1550 🔗

Violent criminals fight back.

401809 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #925 of 1550 🔗

Another bit of video retweeted by Ivor Cummins.

https://twitter.com/DanielSeal20/status/1358406941064613888

In both, note the nasty little council weasel trying to look big and brave with the uniformed thugs to do the dirty work for him.

401824 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 21, #926 of 1550 🔗

These people are pure scum. The police are now the enemy. I believe they have been for a long time, but the last year has removed any remaining doubt.

Along with Steve below, how can I support this man? He’s taking a stand and trying to protect his business, and he deserves our support.

401828 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #927 of 1550 🔗

I agree and as soon as I hear about support arrangements I’ll be contributing myself, and I’ll keep you informed here.

401842 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 4, #928 of 1550 🔗

Good man. Please private message me in case I miss your post. I believe you can PM people on the forums above.

401864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #929 of 1550 🔗

Yes, you can and I will

401880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 1, #930 of 1550 🔗

Thank you.

401889 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 4, #931 of 1550 🔗

Excellent… I’ll be sending these people the money I would have spent out and about this weekend.

401963 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to AidanR, 1, #932 of 1550 🔗

Me too

401886 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #933 of 1550 🔗

Indeed… how long do you think it’ll be before some bloviating shitmonkey is seen in Parliament belching on about how ‘in this country, I’m very proud to say, we police by consent’

Well, mate… maybe 100 years ago you did… but then you took more than a few leaves out of the book of US state police, French gendarmes, Chinese enforcers.

401811 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 19, #934 of 1550 🔗

Absolutely disgusting. Uniformed thug indeed. I’d have hit him back and done my best to knock him out. All bets are off here. From listening to the witnesses in the video the thug in uniform struck first.

401833 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #935 of 1550 🔗

Luc clearly backing away rather than striking back. Vile. No way in which that could be seen as self-defence or a legitimate attempt to restrain. Luckily the big lad looks like he couldn’t fight his way out of a paper bag, otherwise he could have done some serious damage rather than falling over his own feet.

401839 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #936 of 1550 🔗

Exactly. He was a mess. He couldn’t punch in a clock card properly.

401858 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #937 of 1550 🔗

Simply unbelievable! What a bastard!

401814 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark, 5, #938 of 1550 🔗

How can they be supported?

401823 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steeve, 15, #939 of 1550 🔗

Don’t know yet, but I will definitely post it here when I do. This is in Manchester and I’m in Sheffield so I’m a little removed from the action, but I do have local contacts so I’ll try to fund out more details.

Met Luc yesterday and he certainly did not strike me as the physically aggressive type, so I’m sure all he was doing was trying to get with running his small business.

This is what stupid, oppressive laws do – they turn decent folk doing decent things into “criminals”, and policemen into state enforcement thugs..

401836 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark, 1, #940 of 1550 🔗

Thanks!

401997 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Mark, 1, #941 of 1550 🔗

It’s disgusting and I have zero respect for any policemen/women anymore.
Making him an example abs basically saying if anyone else opens this is what will happen so people done open.
I feel sick after watching this and I would offer my support to the cafe owners.

401815 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 23, #942 of 1550 🔗

What a truly horrible, nasty, vile country this has turned into. I didn’t see your post yesterday Mark, so thanks for re-posting.

Just wondering also, why are public health officials so obviously very unhealthy themselves.

401821 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 16, #943 of 1550 🔗

Do not these uniformed morons realise their families will be living in the dystopia they are helping build.

401838 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, 14, #944 of 1550 🔗

Disgusting. What goes round comes round. The police woman shits herself and only gets aggressive once she hears the sirens coming Complete and utter cowards

401843 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Mark, 15, #945 of 1550 🔗

These uniformed thugs have crossed the line many times over the last 10 months. My blood is boiling watching these cunts. I admire the restraint of the cafe owner.

401857 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 14, #946 of 1550 🔗

Face nappie FASCISTS
Absolutely VILE.
These fucking coppers. Bastards.

401860 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, 3, #947 of 1550 🔗

The one in high viz looks a bit of a smack head

401883 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 6, #948 of 1550 🔗

Greater Manchester Police HQ has the Peelian Principles in huge lettering on the big glass lobby. I always wondered why.

GMP never did make literacy an entry requirement.

They are the most appalling police force I’ve ever dealt with, going right back to the mad mad days of James Anderton.

401976 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Mark, 1, #949 of 1550 🔗

Absolutely shocking

401832 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #950 of 1550 🔗

The Psychological Operation Against HCQ
Doctors who used the drug were threatened with the loss of their medical license, which is unheard of for a drug with such a long history of safe use.

The U.S. government made matters worse by only issuing emergency use authorization for in-hospital use and not for outpatient settings. Meanwhile, HCQ has been used for about 60 years in people with chronic conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

The biggest reason for the fear was unfortunately due to falsified studies and trials using toxic doses.

The first to raise alarm was a VA study in Virginia, which found HCQ didn’t prevent death. However, they only used it on late-stage patients who were already on ventilators. From there, they incorrectly extrapolated that it would not be helpful in earlier stages, which simply isn’t true. Other trials simply used the wrong dosage.

While doctors reporting success with the drug are using standard doses around 200 mg to 400 mg per day for either a few days or maybe a couple of weeks, studies such as the Bill & Melinda Gates-funded Recovery Trial used 2,400 mg of hydroxychloroquine during the first 24 hours — 3 to 6 times higher than the daily dosage recommended — followed by 400 mg every 12 hours for nine more days for a cumulative dose of 9,200 mg over 10 days.

Similarly, the Solidarity Trial , led by the WHO, used 2,000 mg on the first day, and a cumulative dose of 8,800 mg over 10 days. These doses are simply too high. More is not necessarily better. Too much, and guess what? You might kill the patient. As noted by Zelenko, these doses are “enough to kill an elephant.”

It’s really unclear as to why these studies used such enormous doses, seeing how the dosages this drug is normally prescribed in, for a range of conditions, never go that high. “All those studies did was prove that if you poison someone with lethal doses of a drug, they’re going to die,” Zelenko says.

Then there was the famous Lancet study that the WHO used to justify essentially banning HCQ . This study was withdrawn when it was discovered that the data had been completely and utterly fabricated with falsely generated data from a fly-by-night company. It was supposed to be a meta-analysis of about 90,000 patients, which showed HCQ had lethal effects.

Unfortunately, before it was withdrawn, this fake study resulted in the WHO putting a moratorium on the use of HCQ, which didn’t improve public trust in the drug. Even more egregious, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration used that fake paper as one of its justifications for removing the emergency use authorization for HCQ, even though the study had already been retracted.

Suppression of HCQ Needlessly Killed Tens of Thousands
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/07/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid.aspx

401920 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Victoria, 8, #951 of 1550 🔗

This article is about the Oxford University attempts at an HCQ trial designed from the outset to discredit the use of HCQ. It was labelled the ‘RECOVERY’ trial and everything about it was anti-science and anti-ethics. In fact, in their fervour to discredit HCQ, the scientists were even prepared to sacrifice the poor unfortunate guinea pigs.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-marx-brothers-do-science/

401837 jos, replying to jos, 14, #952 of 1550 🔗

Anyone else heard the story on the news of a lawyer anticipating all the work they will be getting saying: ‘Coronavirus is the gift that keeps on giving.’? Does money turn people into psychopaths? It seems so.

401847 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to jos, 6, #953 of 1550 🔗

The court cases will be running for decades

401849 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jos, 8, #954 of 1550 🔗

They were already psychopaths. At least he was telling the truth. Certain sectors/professions have done extremely well out of all this and will continue to do so.

401855 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 16, #955 of 1550 🔗

He is not just any lawyer.He was lord chancellor under Blair.The whole system is rotten

401867 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #956 of 1550 🔗

Why is why the human rights lawyers don’t give a toss.

402031 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to isobar, #957 of 1550 🔗

They’re only in it for the money that’s why.

401917 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #958 of 1550 🔗

Well known to be a crony of Blair . From the Wiki profile:
Falconer became a flatmate of Tony Blair when they were both young barristers in London in the late 1970s in Wandsworth , having first met as pupils at rival Scottish schools in the 1960s
and
On 14 May 1997, just after Blair became Prime Minister, Falconer was created a life peer as Baron Falconer of Thoroton in the County of Nottinghamshire . [8] He was the first peer created on the new Prime Minister’s recommendation, and immediately joined the government as Solicitor General .
and
Falconer became Minister of State at the Cabinet Office in 1998, taking over responsibility for the Millennium Dome following the resignation of Peter Mandelson . He acquired the nickname of “Dome Secretary” over time. He was heavily criticised for the failure of the Dome to attract an audience, but resisted calls for his resignation. This was in contrast to the sacking of Dome chief executive Jennie Page just one month after the fiasco of the New Millennium eve opening night.
and
Freedom of Information Act In his role as Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs , Falconer sought to make it easier for government bodies to refuse to release documents under the Freedom of Information Act (2000) , on the grounds that they are too expensive and too time-consuming for civil servants to find. The legislation allowed requests for information to be refused if the cost they would incur exceeded £600 for Whitehall and £450 for other public bodies. Falconer proposed changes that would make no difference to this level, but would expand the number of activities whose cost would be included in the totals, thus making it easier for government parties to refuse requests for information
and
Internet censorship In February 2008, Falconer told a BBC radio programme that the government should require certain news articles to be removed from online archives during sensitive trials. [11] This move was questioned as the articles were readily available in printed newspapers and other physical media, presenting a possible misunderstanding of the internet as a medium. [11]

Comes across as a rather unpleasant piece of work, if you are not part of the political and business elite .

402034 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mikewaite, #959 of 1550 🔗

Falconer is indeed a nasty piece of work. I’d lock him up with the most evil bstards in prison, they can use him as their bitch!

402035 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mikewaite, #960 of 1550 🔗

In the Dilbert cartoons the boss once asked for “a hard copy of the internet”.

401919 ▶▶ Nyarlathotep, replying to jos, 3, #961 of 1550 🔗

Money has destroyed our world. It is indeed the root of all evil.

401938 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jos, -1, #962 of 1550 🔗

Anyone else heard the story on the news …”

I despair when I see the reporting of chinese whispers in this manner. Every incident like it makes it easier to undermine the sceptic case as incoherent ranting.

The observation is simply just true ! – as any real sceptic would recognize.

401846 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #963 of 1550 🔗

Beaten up for serving breakfast

We must rid ourselves of our oppressors

The rozzer clearly lost control.

Perhaps it’s a sign they can’t cope anymore

401861 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 8, #964 of 1550 🔗

Covistapo!

401850 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #965 of 1550 🔗

The truth: It is all about money and Labour is pocketing it big.

Never vote labour or conservatives again. They do not care about YOU

Labour’s shadow attorney general Lord Falconer is ‘very, very sorry’ after he was caught on tape telling City lawyers the coronavirus crisis ‘is a gift that keeps on giving’ as Keir Starter faces furious backlash

401859 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 25, #966 of 1550 🔗

I’ll bet he’s very very sorry. I’ll bet Smarmer is very very sorry as well.
They will be a lot sorrier after Nuremberg 2 has finished with them.

401863 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 20, #967 of 1550 🔗

Yeah, very sorry he got found out. Bastards.

401877 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 9, #968 of 1550 🔗

Obviously wasn’t in the script. Bastards indeed!

402087 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 4, #969 of 1550 🔗

You took the exact words out of my mouth – even the expletive.

402021 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #970 of 1550 🔗

Nuremberg 2. LIKE IT!!!

401872 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 23, #971 of 1550 🔗

All politicians have to be very careful with our words ” – shadow business secretary. Basically an admission that they have to be careful to keep their lies straight for the various audiences to whom they are lying.

A useful reminder for those in any remaining doubt that our problem isn’t a corrupt political party, but an entire corrupt political class.

401901 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 14, #972 of 1550 🔗

Oh, how they must be laughing at the plebs …

401911 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 5, #973 of 1550 🔗

I couldn’t give a shit about Falconer – but actually, he was just stating a fact. The Covid maniacs are getting equally virtue-signalling about it (why do you think the Beeb ran this minor story?) , because it’s true on so many levels.

I believe the comment was specifically about the undeniable fact that the tangle of pseudo-legislation is creating a massive number of occasions for dispute.

401912 ▶▶ Nyarlathotep, replying to Victoria, 1, #974 of 1550 🔗

Politics attracts the vile and repels the worthy.

If you are outraged by such demonstrations of this principle in action then the fault lies with you, for you have not perceived or accepted reality.

Each must recognise their own complicity in allowing such a corrupt system to stand.

402028 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 2, #975 of 1550 🔗

How wonderful for them! They are making a mint out of the covid scam.

402300 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Victoria, 2, #976 of 1550 🔗

Sent this to my MP earlier – same thing
Dear Mr Whitley
If you have any time in your busy schedule, do you think you could ask this question in Parliament next time you have a chance.

How can the government have spent £22,000,000,000 on the Track and Trace Programme?
There are only 68,000,000 people in the country.
Even if they rang everybody, that’d be £325 per person.
Where did our money go?

I think his is highly relevant and as HMG’s loyal opposition, these are the kinds of questions you should be, asking but aren’t.

Unless, of course, there is some kind of pooled benefit for parliament, much like Lord Falconers assertion that he is raking it in at the moment. I seems parliamentary scrutiny has evaporated since Brexit was sorted.

I look forward to hearing from you, again.

Yours sincerely

402301 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to iansn, #977 of 1550 🔗

Do you have the link to that number? It’s mind boggling!

402323 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to TheHandbag, #978 of 1550 🔗

posted earlier today lower down from a twitter feed, anyway here is ‘reuters fake news’ if you want to see https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-testing/uk-says-covid-19-test-and-trace-system-cost-to-rise-to-22-billion-pounds-idUSKBN2832FL
everyone in the country should be writing to their mp about this
dont try and put my tax up as a result of his fucking stupid policy by blojo and wankock

401869 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #979 of 1550 🔗

How shocking!!!!

401930 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #980 of 1550 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40206482.html

40,000 babies used in vaccine trials. Report had to be forced for release.

401977 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #981 of 1550 🔗

Trials performed by Wellcome and Glaxo, then separate outfits, who merged in 1995. Obviously this sort of thing could never happen again we are told!

402008 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #982 of 1550 🔗

Thanks.

“There is no evidence of injury to the children involved as a result of the vaccines.”

At least one child is known to have died of cardiac and respiratory failure 2 weeks after receiving the first injection in one of the vaccine trials.

The commission said: “The available medical records do not suggest that this child’s death was in any way linked to the vaccine.”

So predictable, child died from cardiac arrest but they deny it is linked to the vaccine. Nonsense!!

What about all the other adverse effects and long term health issues?

402025 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #983 of 1550 🔗

That article is so horrendous, so evil, and done with the consent of the Church. Sickening beyond belief!

401961 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Victoria, 4, #984 of 1550 🔗

Actually reading it now: UNBELIEVABLE!!!

401871 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 7, #985 of 1550 🔗

I’m a bit baffled by all these stories about how hard things are for ‘the sandwich generation’.

Wasn’t every generation a ‘sandwich generation’ until we emasculated the nuclear family and emancipated so many tax cattle, meanwhile filling those gaps with imported families who make their sandwiches from altogether different bread?

401891 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to AidanR, 11, #986 of 1550 🔗

Being a product of imported cheap labour, of a people who’s culture, religion and outlook, is at complete odds, with my adopted-by-birth, country, and have seen firsthand, how it creates chaos and negatively contributes directly to any opportunity of community cohesion. Certainly, for myself, I saw, how my family uprooting themselves, to come here and become wageslaves, as well a means-to-an-end to globalists, it’s evident we’ve all been manipulated and abused for generations, to find ourselves in our current demonic predicament.

401916 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jinks, 7, #987 of 1550 🔗

I think the biggest single problem is that it has turned Britain into a low trust society. That’s not to judge any of the individual cultures that have contributed to our modern population. When you add diversity, you reduce trust, because human nature.

The consequences of that are things like business can no longer be done on a handshake – everything has to be legalised and formalised and process-driven and bureaucratic, because it’s so likely that two people entering into an agreement play by very different cultural rules.

It’s also why policing by consent has died, as demonstrated elsewhere here.

401945 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to AidanR, 3, #988 of 1550 🔗

It’s the Hegelian dialect, deployed against the ignorant masses. Only some consequences are unintended.

401921 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jinks, 3, #989 of 1550 🔗

Sorry you’ve had that experience. Having lived in a really culturally mixed area (on many dimensions) for most of my adult life, it’s not my experience. The term ‘community cohesion’ originates in a Blairite mickey-mouse Never-Never land that just shuts its eyes to messy reality.

401907 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 1, #990 of 1550 🔗

Actually the article was a good corrective to the wild and idiotic generalizations that are made about whole groups to serve the particular hang-ups of some individuals – be they age, gender, class, race or occupation-based. The warped virtue-signalling can be as dumb as that practised by any Covid maniac.

For instance, the fact that this Covid nonsense hits the poorest hardest does not mean that the middle classes are in favour, or that, in age terms, the old have conspired against the young, or that teachers are enjoying furlough. They’re all examples of just noddy thinking, and incredibly stupid. It makes the sceptical cause easier to dismiss.

But ‘we …emasculated the nuclear family’?? Where the fuck did that bit of fiction come from? I am surrounded by warm (well – mostly) nuclear families!

402032 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 5, #991 of 1550 🔗

Sounds idyllic then… but just because you’ve insulated yourself in a relatively unscathed place, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. The stats are out there. As as the living examples. Go and look at any urban environment. Look at divorce rates. Look at rates of fatherlessness and the research on outcomes for children that grow up without fathers. Look at the proportion of the nation that is in the welfare trap and why. Ask what systems of incentives exist across legal, tax and welfare systems and what outcomes those incentives are, on aggregate, going to deliver.

401874 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #992 of 1550 🔗

You can report a crime online at the Greater Manchester Police website

I’ve just reported an assault on a cafe owner by a thug in a high viz jacket

You may also wish to make the same report

401904 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 7, #993 of 1550 🔗

Done!

402192 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cecil B, 3, #994 of 1550 🔗

Way to go, Cecil!

401876 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #995 of 1550 🔗

Fairly confident they won’t be kneeling once fans are allowed back into stadiums.

Billy Vunipola leads players who chose NOT to kneel against racism at Six Nations

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1358364556221952001

401899 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 14, #996 of 1550 🔗

They look like the prisoners in those ISIS videos all they need are orange suits and blindfolds. Antifa/ISIS not a lot of difference really

401878 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 81, #997 of 1550 🔗

How lovely it must be to live in effing la-la land. I have just been asked, in all seriousness, if we are normally busy. I pointed out that yes, when the government allow us to trade without the threat of being beaten up by the police, we are busy. No reaction at all. When the bloody hell are people going to wake up, just when.

401887 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 24, #998 of 1550 🔗

It must be bliss to have a mind so empty and unused that all of this madness is passing through and not registering.Some of your customers are so special in so many ways !.

401897 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 25, #999 of 1550 🔗

Don’t get me wrong, we have many, many lovely loyal customers. But when someone asks something so bloody idiotic, I have a real problem not reacting.

401958 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Paul, 5, #1000 of 1550 🔗

My brother and sister in law without any sense of irony informed us that they spent one evening looking through old copies of family and friend’s funeral services and obituaries.

402004 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1001 of 1550 🔗

That sounds like a joyous occasion! 😂 😂

402017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1002 of 1550 🔗

That’s the sort of thing that sheep and collaborators do.

402296 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1003 of 1550 🔗

they’ll be looking through a lot more of those. and before much longer you’ll no doubt be looking at theirs.

402223 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Paul, #1004 of 1550 🔗

They seem like a representative sample. The zombies are everywhere.

401892 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 34, #1005 of 1550 🔗

They are too comfortable. This is Rishi Sunak’s fault. He’s enabled this coup by paying people and making them feel safe while the country is dismantled. They won’t know there’s a problem until they don’t have a job to go back to.

401969 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to this is my username, 6, #1006 of 1550 🔗

I was a bit foolish, thinking all self employed are suffering like us. They are not. Taxpayers are basically all paying a lot of them to do bugger all. It’s not just the public sector employees having an easy ride. Whereas some people who run their own businesses are high and dry.

402003 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to WasSteph, 7, #1007 of 1550 🔗

The ones (like me) who had less than 3 years books/trading were left high and dry.

Those who met this requirement could claim back 80% I think) of their average profits in the 3 years prior to the lockdown.

Then they could go back to work for cash in hand jobs.

401918 ▶▶ Nyarlathotep, replying to kh1485, 14, #1008 of 1550 🔗

Not all are capable of waking up.

Accept this and it will be easier to cope.

Everything will be OK in the end.

You’ll see.

401923 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nyarlathotep, 11, #1009 of 1550 🔗

Yes, but their not waking up means it goes on longer for the rest of us. No doubt they will wake up when everything that they think gives them meaning in their lives is taken away from them.

402005 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 9, #1010 of 1550 🔗

I don’t think their lives ever had any meaning.
Ours did, and do. That’s why we aren’t wallowing in porky indifference.

402009 ▶▶▶▶ Nyarlathotep, replying to kh1485, 1, #1011 of 1550 🔗

Correct.

But there is nothing you can do about it.

You may as well scream at the rain.

The world is not ordered as we wish it, only as we find it.

402042 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nyarlathotep, 17, #1012 of 1550 🔗

Sorry, I know you probably mean well but I ‘cope’ by calling this crap out. To stand by and say nothing, isn’t my way. And this world is a horrible, bloody vile place now, where kindness is criminalised and where someone just trying to earn a living is beaten up by the police – not much to ‘wish’ for that it weren’t so, surely?

402140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nyarlathotep, replying to kh1485, -5, #1013 of 1550 🔗

Can you not still fight against injustice with a song in your heart?

Be a servant of virtue, not a victim of fate.

402238 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nyarlathotep, 3, #1014 of 1550 🔗

Singing won’t keep the jackboot off your neck.

402250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nyarlathotep, 7, #1015 of 1550 🔗

I’m glad you’re finding this amusing, whoever you are. I’m a real person, with a real business and I’m really bloody worried about the future of this effing awful world right now.

402071 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Nyarlathotep, 6, #1016 of 1550 🔗

There isn’t certainly nothing to be gained by accepting the shit we are in and not speaking up is there?

402101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 3, #1017 of 1550 🔗

Auto correct changed is to isn’t, completely changing what I intended to say!

402242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to WasSteph, #1018 of 1550 🔗

The original was a double negative so it kinda made sense as it was.

402116 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 3, #1019 of 1550 🔗

If that hasn’t gone already, their lives were clearly meaningless to begin with.

402226 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, #1020 of 1550 🔗

“they think gives them meaning in their lives is taken away from them.”

Including their lives, but just a bit too late by then.

401910 Jinks, 7, #1021 of 1550 🔗

interesting considering that no reported deaths here. ‘So Europe has its own adverse events reporting system for drugs and vaccines, called EUDRA. It now has data for the Covid vaccines.Which turns out to be EVEN WORSE than the US data. It now contains 58,000 reports for the @pfizervaccine alone, including about 730 deaths…’ courtesy TJTaylor, DM comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9233329/Minister-AstraZeneca-confident-jab-protects-against-SA-variant.html

401929 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 18, #1022 of 1550 🔗

And I thought the Zoe app was on the side of good sense in this shitshow. This in the Telegraph from the guy who started it. He says we can’t go to a cricket or football match ever again, in effect. Nor can we have ‘big weddings’, or travel it seems, as he doesn’t think it safe. Facist pig. Deleted his app.

“ Experts have warned that restrictions on large gatherings could remain in place for “the next few years” as the world learns to live with the coronavirus.

Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London, told Times Radio that he “can’t see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again”.
“I can’t see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone,” he added.
Prof Spector also suggested that basic infection control measures – including physical distancing, face masks and handwashing – should remain in place as they “don’t cost really anything to do”.

401934 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to James Leary #KBF, 35, #1023 of 1550 🔗

These people are sick. Soulless, empty husks of human beings.

401946 ▶▶ davews, replying to James Leary #KBF, 22, #1024 of 1550 🔗

They cost normal life, that is a HUGE cost Tim.

401954 ▶▶ rose, replying to James Leary #KBF, 22, #1025 of 1550 🔗

They are the measures that stop us from building a good immune system

402001 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to rose, 11, #1026 of 1550 🔗

Which of course is there intention, which is to make us as sick and dependent upon medicines and vaccines as they possibly can. This is so horrendous, so evil there is no punishment too extreme for them!

402000 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #1027 of 1550 🔗

The problem is that too many limited academics have been granted an ‘expert’ status that they don’t have. They are therefore pontificating about areas of public health and policy where they have no expertise and no experience.

They will find it hard to give up this unearned ‘respect’ for their burblings about issues beyond their competence. The egos have been massively inflated – to which the best answer is a pin.

Unfortunately people are attracted to unthinking belief and worship – however incredible the idol.

402079 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #1028 of 1550 🔗

After his latest grant application was turned down, result!

402159 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #1029 of 1550 🔗

Fuck these cunts they need killing

402299 ▶▶ iansn, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1030 of 1550 🔗

he can fuck right of. That is his end of use statement. I cant see even Gove piling in on that is game over in the may elections if that is supported

401933 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 41, #1031 of 1550 🔗

Out for a drive just now, I’m definitely seeing more groups of young lads out and about together on their bikes or hanging around. Good.

401947 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #1032 of 1550 🔗

Human nature.

402002 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1033 of 1550 🔗

Humans thrive on human contact.

401964 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #1034 of 1550 🔗

That’s good. I feel so sorry for the young people of today being robbed of their lives by this despicable government!

401936 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1035 of 1550 🔗

They should be honest, its about Pharma, cashing in, and Sustainable future, ie population control

401984 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1036 of 1550 🔗

Basically that. Much easier to change and control society by terrifying it than being honest though no?

402081 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1037 of 1550 🔗

Its about empire mark 2 (globalism) power & control, same as it ever was, my guess is there will be another world war soon, Asia v The West.

401940 Hellonearth, replying to Hellonearth, 19, #1038 of 1550 🔗

I would like to hear peoples thoughts on what I have just been mulling over. If Bojo had a change of heart tomorrow and decided he couldn’t go through with the great plan, how the hell could we claw our way back anyway.? I feel that it is too late. The economy is shot, without us being part of the global reset how could we function as a lone wolf more or less?. Sorry to sound defeatist but I am having one of those days when my brain just can’t compute the awfulness of it all. I am a simple soul and maybe being dense, but want to find answers that probably just aren’t there.

401955 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Hellonearth, 32, #1039 of 1550 🔗

Whatever happens there is going to be massive turmoil.To think you can shut down normal life for over a year and there would be no ill effects is insane.
At the top level I believe there is a conspiracy but I can’t understand the fellow travellers who are not party to the plans blithely going along with it.
They have got the shock of their lives coming.

401966 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Hellonearth, 17, #1040 of 1550 🔗

Just takes determination, courage and hard work with a lot of competence thrown in.

I’m game of you are.

Could be done but we have to get rid of all the deadwood legislation and middle B ark management types, cut taxes, cut back the safety at all costs attitude, get rid of layers of local government and employ people based on them being the best for the job and not because they tick the right boxes.

Lots of countries would prefer to do business with the UK – not the EU – so it is possible but biggest hurdle is our stupid government and civil servants and the national malaise that seems to have affetced us the past 40 years.

402062 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1041 of 1550 🔗

I agree. It will need a government with the vision to help business grow its way out of this. I fear all they can think of is to put taxes up.
Let’s hope we can start soon.

402094 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1042 of 1550 🔗

In Denis Rancourt’s paper referred earlier he uses a great term “policy-ready” meaning essentially validated, verified and audited evidence/studies that are deemed applicable. Currently it seems that as long as you are in the club you can self-certify your hypothetical model as applicable to reality.

Removing these people (climate scientists too) from applying their models to policy would also be a huge step.

402063 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hellonearth, 6, #1043 of 1550 🔗

A financial reset is mathematically/economically inevitable.

The ‘Great Reset’ is quite possiby an attempt to control the massive fallout from that. To control the implosion.

Like all such grandiose plans from people who have no idea of human nature or how the economy operates, it will fail.

The UK is at the heart of all of this because of London’s pivotal and dominant position in the current system, because the UK is so indebted (state, corporate and personal) and because the UK produces so little as a trading nation.

The UK and its standard of living will be big losers from all of this.

More broadly, if you look internationally, then you see that the measures are harshest in the heavily indebted, highly taxed welfare states of the Anglosphere and the Eurozone – ie precisely those countries where the need of government for social control will be greatest as it all comes tumbling down.

It is these countries which are most on board with the GR, together with a few dependent fiefdoms mainly in Africa.

Eurasia, in paricular Russia and China, but also their satellites, are not on board with it. If you doubt this, then look at the commitment of these sounries to the protection of their own cultures, their sovereignty and to their investments in fossil fuels, where China built more than 50 coal-fired power stations domestically in 2020, whilst financing many more abroad, esp. in Africa. They pay only lip service to zero carbon.

London is in many ways at the centre of Zone A. Join Zone B – not going to happen.

401944 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 47, #1044 of 1550 🔗

To all those who’s employers are insisting on repeated tests, sometimes a couple of times a week, I have this statement in DHSC FOI Reference FOI-1261857:

As SARS-CoV-2 RNA production can continue for some time post infection, current advice is not to re-test for a period of 90 days after a positive test.

A lawyer working on the case against the Government picked it up as they have finally gotten around to reading n detail my e-mail to them.

Lawyers now rubbing their hands in glee at this admission as those employers making peopel stay at home on reduced or sick pay until 1 or 2 negative tests are now on the hook for liability and compensation.

401965 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1045 of 1550 🔗

Great work always AG.

401988 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1046 of 1550 🔗

Fantastic!

401994 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1047 of 1550 🔗

Fantastic news! Thanks for this

402015 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1048 of 1550 🔗

You rock AG.

402018 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1049 of 1550 🔗

Fantastic, tell me in a previous life were you Sherlock?

402088 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, #1050 of 1550 🔗

Lubbly jubbly.

402298 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1051 of 1550 🔗

well done AG keep up the good work

401951 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 9, #1052 of 1550 🔗

Is sex still allowed? Asking for a friend!

401981 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheClone, 11, #1053 of 1550 🔗

As long as you wear a mask and socially distance, then yes.

401983 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to TheClone, 12, #1054 of 1550 🔗

Missus said no. bugger.

401996 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to TheClone, 3, #1055 of 1550 🔗

Don’t be disgusting. Doesn’t “your friend” realise the dangers involved? It means being very close to another person (usually), which is obviously completely reckless these days.

402191 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1056 of 1550 🔗

That’s what glory holes are for. One of our public health “experts” actually recommended it with a straight face.

402007 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to TheClone, 15, #1057 of 1550 🔗

As long as it is safe 🙂

402026 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TheClone, #1058 of 1550 🔗

They seem to be encouraging self-abuse…

402039 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1059 of 1550 🔗

“You are your safest sex partner”

I quote from this guidance…

https://www.brook.org.uk/your-life/sex-and-relationships-guidance-during-lockdown/

402077 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TheClone, 2, #1060 of 1550 🔗

Yes, but you must maintain 2m social distancing.

402084 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to TheClone, 6, #1061 of 1550 🔗

Yes, as long as the man uses proper protection. That’s three facemasks and 3 condoms.

402098 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheClone, 5, #1062 of 1550 🔗

Only via a glory hole.

401957 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 57, #1063 of 1550 🔗

Today seems top be the day for catching up with people.

Chatting to another friend with an elderly, ill mother (we’re in our 50s so all our parents now in late 70s) had her Pfizer jab last week but is still OK but another family member of the same age had it at the same time and is now fighting for her life in hospital.

Hospital says it’s just coincidence and jab has nothing to do with it as “she is old and ill anyway and it could have happened at any time”.

When asked if she is that old and that ill and ready to drop dead at any moment then what was the point in giving her an expensive injection there was a deep silence and lots of shift looks.

401959 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1064 of 1550 🔗

Exactly!

401978 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1065 of 1550 🔗

Excellent question! More questions like that must be answered. Far too many just accept whatever the authorities say in the mistaken belief the authorities would never want to harm us!

401991 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #1066 of 1550 🔗

Well, I guess the same could be said of Covid couldn’t it? The elderly who are the major victims of it were old and ill and ready to drop dead before they got it. They can’t have it both ways. I’d sue the medical professionals involved. It looks to me as though they are not providing proper information about the serious risks of the vaccine. This really needs to go to Court.

402027 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo Dominich, 7, #1067 of 1550 🔗

Unfortunately, they can have it both ways, and are.

402187 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo, 5, #1068 of 1550 🔗

Exactly right, and none of the purveyors of the “vaccine” can be sued so these medical professionals are off the hook. There may be an informed consent angle; I find it quite unlikely that those being jabbed have been given the package insert and are asked if they truly understand the risks involved.

401993 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #1069 of 1550 🔗

Sunday is the day my kitchen turns into a speakeasy 😉

402189 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1070 of 1550 🔗

What time should I be there? Just kidding…you’re off the hook as I’m in Canada.

402012 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1071 of 1550 🔗

I assume we are going to hear this more and more as time goes on… the difficult thing of course is to prove and determine – what was the primary cause of death – without a post mortem? If they aren’t conducting the postmortems for proper Covid deaths, to learn about the “killer virus”, who thinks they will conduct postmortems for people dropping dead after the miraculous jab to find out the real cause of death?

402086 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Pebbles, 5, #1072 of 1550 🔗

It seems to me that the statistics do provide us with a ‘smoking gun’. The Gibraltar figures for instance show a substantial increase in the rate of deaths in the relatively short time following the vaccinations.

402090 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pebbles, 6, #1073 of 1550 🔗

Surely, as it’s effectively a clinical trial, post mortems should be de rigeur.

402160 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1074 of 1550 🔗

Yes exactly. Its all too easy for authorities to implement genocide and hide behind spurious health laws as a cover up.

402156 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Pebbles, 3, #1075 of 1550 🔗

Does anyone know why they aren’t performing post mortems? Have they got something to hide? Surely not! 😮

402197 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1076 of 1550 🔗

Done on purpose,

402240 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1077 of 1550 🔗

They’ve removed virtually all form of safeguards re: reporting deaths, for covid-19 only. Under usual circumstances, a death is recorded by a Dr, & should be corroborated by a 2nd eg. a Medical examiner. Then, a death is usually discussed with some kind of qualified agent [think that’s what they call it] of the deceased, usually a close relative, for any issues regarding the death to be resolved.

Covid-19 deaths can now be recorded by a single Dr (no need for pesky medical examiners); there is no requirement for them to have even examined the deceased recently. In the cases of nursing homes, lots of diagnosis’ have been given over the phone. If covid-19 is suspected at all, then a single Dr can sign off the death cert. The qualified agent can now also be almost anyone familiar with the body, not necessarily someone close to the deceased. so a hospital worker could do that role. Some post mortems should still be taking place for things like sudden or potentially suspicious circumstances (murders, for example) but for many, the Royal college of Pathologists issued official guidance that in cases of ‘believed’ covid-19 the need for post postmortems is “unlikely” & just issue the death cert.

402033 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1078 of 1550 🔗

Hopefully this has been reported to the Yellow Card Scheme – can be done by individuals.

Yes, hospitals and medical practitioners will deny the link between a vaccination and adverse reaction including death and disability. Keep notes of discussion with medical staff, medical records, photos, etc. Also to have information on the informed discussion the person had upfront, the leaflet and informed consent.

402069 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1079 of 1550 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

141 dead (so far), 10s of thousands injured (so far), that have been reported. Shudder to think what the unreported/blamed on convid figure is!

401962 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 40, #1080 of 1550 🔗

The European Court of Human Rights has already said that no one can be coerced for any reason into getting vaccinated. I take it that means that if you are prevented from travel or any other pursuit you can sue the government or anyone else involved.

401971 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 23, #1081 of 1550 🔗

Good because I’m up for that. I want those bastards in government to pay!

401985 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #1082 of 1550 🔗

I’m in.

401973 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1083 of 1550 🔗

Unfortunately that Council Of Europe resolution isn’t legally binding. BUT – it’s supposed to set the standards which the ECHR follow. The first legal case if their is one, will be interesting to watch and this page must support it.

402010 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 4, #1084 of 1550 🔗

Yes – it’s not the Court.

401979 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1085 of 1550 🔗

That’s my understanding yes. Note that the principle of Nuremberg & the UNESCO declaration of bioethics & human rights means you can withdraw consent for any form of medical intervention, at any time, for any reason, without disadvantage or prejudice.

402011 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1086 of 1550 🔗

Wasn’t it the ECHR who emphatically pronounced that the UK should return the Chagos Islands to Mauritius? What has the UK done since then apart from scoff the ruling? ….crickets. International courts? Pfff. What authority do they have to tell us what to do? Don’t they realise we’re British? No one has any right to tell us what to do…well apart from the US, of course. .

402047 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1087 of 1550 🔗

Well yes, they do ‘conveniently’ defer to the ECHR

402057 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1088 of 1550 🔗

Check out the Corona Virus Act

There may be some loophole because of the ‘Epidemic’ that allows them to by-pass those safeguards. (Also taking children in ’emergency’, demolishing your house in ’emergency’, too).

402200 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1089 of 1550 🔗

The problem with travel is the destination country. They can make it a requirement as they do now for several diseases. However if your departure country doesn’t have restrictions you can just choose to go to a destination that has the same policy.

401972 Basileus, 3, #1090 of 1550 🔗

There has been some discussion here on previous occasions concerning the failure of the established church to address the situation in the Nation. I offer the following as an antidote to this omission:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8UnuKEVAbw

401982 davews, replying to davews, 2, #1091 of 1550 🔗

Thought I would check out the website my letter pointed me to. The nearest centre it offers me is central Slough which I would have to be dying to go to. Most of them 20 to 30 miles. The huge centre a mile away in town is not even offered. At least I can now wait a bit more before being hassled.

402022 ▶▶ Jo, replying to davews, 20, #1092 of 1550 🔗

For once, Dave, take the Govt advice and STAY AT HOME!

401989 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1093 of 1550 🔗

To those having problems with bully boys in blue try sending a mesage to the local Police Federation:

https://www.polfed.org/about-us/contact-us/

Might shake them up a bit.

402016 ▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1094 of 1550 🔗

and maybe the local Police and Crime Commissioner … these people are politicians so may be prompted to act

402150 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to mj, #1095 of 1550 🔗

Nooo they don’t give a shit

401990 Basileus, 18, #1096 of 1550 🔗
402036 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1097 of 1550 🔗

MOS today:”Should a runny nose be added to the official list of signs that you may have Covid”
What about if you get an “hard on”?

402045 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1098 of 1550 🔗

If you can get one that is Covid, if you can’t get one that is of course also Covid.

402073 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1099 of 1550 🔗

delete

402295 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1100 of 1550 🔗

that means you are dead, rigor mortis

402392 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1101 of 1550 🔗

Reminds me if the old joke.
‘Doctor, doctor, I have this problem. Every time I sneeze I get an orgasm.’.
‘I see, and what are you taking for it?’
‘Pepper.’

402038 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1102 of 1550 🔗

For those earlier who claimed the vaccines were not tested on animals this is incorrect.

The Pfizer one was tested on as stated in the EMA documentation:

  • mice
  • non-human primates
  • rhesus macaques
  • animals
  • rhesus monkeys
  • buffer control animals
  • rats
  • Han Wistar rats

So no animal testing then.

402043 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1103 of 1550 🔗

And they’re all dead now.

402049 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1104 of 1550 🔗

Rhesus monkeys were used in Harlow’s experiments. Very apt.

402145 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1105 of 1550 🔗

They definitely skipped normal animal trials to get it into market this quickly.
I read that they tested it on mice at the same time as human trials started.
There is no why of knowing even medium term effects let alone long term effects.That is undeniable fact

402270 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1106 of 1550 🔗

You can’t do long term studies on most of those animals anyway, as they don’t live long enough

402059 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 32, #1107 of 1550 🔗

I will start publishing pics this week of the workings of the Care home sector.Want to see the piles of end of life drugs namely Diamorphine,Midazolam (Which I believe is a key ingredient of the Missouri protocol).Nameless ampoules ready to go at the first sign of a sniffle.If you can remove your loved ones from these gulags for the Elderly please do.My days are numbered as a Nurse so fuck them.GPs especially are on my most hated list followed by the majority of Registered Nurses

402072 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Teddy Edward, 11, #1108 of 1550 🔗

Thanks Teddy.

402170 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Teddy Edward, 9, #1109 of 1550 🔗

If you are on your way our suggest you do a proper whistleblow – at least get proper value out of it

402352 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Victoria, 2, #1110 of 1550 🔗

I would but my Professional body NMC and my Union RCN are full on supporting the Gov line as for the local Authority Safe guarding are atrocious. Two years ago I filed reports to the Police and Safeguarding regarding a Senior Nurse I discovered over dosing Residents in a Care Home after a protracted investigation nothing due to lack of evidence!

402390 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Teddy Edward, 2, #1111 of 1550 🔗

The trouble us that most of us can’t. My dad, mercifully no longer with us, needed a hoist for the bath, loo, etc., and 24/7 supervisory care because of his dementia. We couldn’t cope at home, however much we might have wanted to.

402067 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 25, #1112 of 1550 🔗

Just Seven More Years Before We’re Back to Normal. Well yes. Here’s another take on it by an “expert”. This time it’s someone called Tim Spector:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Spector

Here’s the text from The Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free). My emphasis:

Experts have warned that restrictions on large gatherings could remain in place for “the next few years” as the world learns to live with the coronavirus.

Tim Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King’s College London, told Times Radio that he “can’t see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again”.

“I can’t see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone,” he added.

Prof Spector also suggested that basic infection control measures – including physical distancing, face masks and handwashing – should remain in place as they “don’t cost really anything to do”.

“I think we need to get used to that and that will allow us to do the things we really want to do more easily and more readily,” he said.

On a more positive note Prof Spector, who created the Zoe Covid Symptom Study, said the infection survey indicates that coronavirus rates are “generally much lower everywhere” in the country, with around one in 170 people infected on average.

He suggested that reinstating the rule of six allowing people to meet outdoors should be “definitely encouraged” around the same time as primary schools begin to return.

But asked about whether private gardens were safer than outdoor pubs or restaurants, he said that “actually sometimes a beer garden is more controlled than people’s homes and gardens”.

“Generally most establishments are well behaved and I think they clean the tables and people keep their distance and I see no reason why we couldn’t move towards that in places that are well set up for it,” he said.

So you see, these gits really do want the shitshow to go on for ever.

402092 ▶▶ ituex, replying to Tenchy, -19, #1113 of 1550 🔗

Tim Spector is very definitely NOT a git. He is a very eminent professor of medicine in one of the most respected medical schools in the UK. He needs his funding to continue but he is also a cautious and meticulous person.
His ZOE app is the nearest thing we have to decent numbers in this country.

402123 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to ituex, 23, #1114 of 1550 🔗

Once someone has spouted the kind of evil quoted above then as far as I’m concerned he’s an enemy of humanity.

Edit: Tim Spector that is, not you obviously.

402139 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to ituex, 16, #1115 of 1550 🔗

No he is a cunt

402181 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to ituex, 19, #1116 of 1550 🔗

People really need to start thinking for themselves and stop giving so much credit to people with titles and social recognition, especially when these respected individuals start telling other people how they must live their lives.

At that point, all these cretins are displaying is inflated opinion of themselves.

That idiot has literally no idea what is best for me. None at all and he should keep his mouth shut about it.

402243 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to ituex, 8, #1117 of 1550 🔗

For random respiratory conditions yes but since Covid-19 is the full symptom sheet combined of flu, cold and sore throat the data is about as much use as modern hieroglyphics.

And he should know that being an eminent professor. I don’t think he actually understands measurement.

402265 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to ituex, 16, #1118 of 1550 🔗

He is wrong though in his view that masks cost us nothing.
They are dirty, dehumanising and inhibit the intake of oxygen. The costs are pretty high, given the benefit is fuck all.

402282 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to sophie123, 8, #1119 of 1550 🔗

Hospitality industry have to remove tables for social distancing so there is a direct monetary cost to them, the same applies to many businesses. How can he state there is no cost. No doubt doesn’t cost him any money therefore the same must apply to everyone.

402385 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to sophie123, 6, #1120 of 1550 🔗

Social distancing costs us everything. It’s a total negation of what it means to be human.
Is this Spectre cretin a solipsist or something?

402093 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1121 of 1550 🔗

What does annoy me, and forgive me for saying something I have stated on previous days, but it is the terminology of “the coronavirus” – there is not just one coronavirus, we have lived and survived with numerous coronavirus for a long time however now the narrative is there is only one, this is another lie.

I have also just caught up with all the articles written today above the comments. I am interested in the analogy of vaccine passports versus a driving licence. Once again I feel the behaviour bods have their grubby little fingers over the wording. The majority of people would not drive without a valid driving licence and insurance would be null and void without one, so by using the driving licence analogy the popupulation is being conditioned to it just becoming a standard simple requirement. It also ties in with the analogy of muzzle wearing versus seat belt wearing.

402246 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1122 of 1550 🔗

I’d picked up on that.
The driver’s licence analogy is ridiculous. The licence is to prove you’ve been trained to drive, it’s a qualification. You don’t need a driver’s licence to enter buildings, which is an implication of the covipass.

Halfway through the main articles ATL today, I found myself thinking FFS, I bet Jonathan Barr wrote today’s update . A quick check at the top. Bingo!

402272 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, #1123 of 1550 🔗

What I find interesting Cheezilla is why can 2 random people on an internet site see the corellation, and quite rightly as you point out the glaringly obvious difference in the two but the majority of the population will fall for it? I am sure it is only a matter of time before the same words are used over and over again in the MSM, on social media plus those who do actually take part in conversations. You wouldn’t drive your car without a licence would you, Cumbriacracked so just take the vaccine and get your passport.

402105 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1124 of 1550 🔗

who is this asshole and when are we going to stand him up against the wall and turn the firing squad on him?

402198 ▶▶ pingram, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1125 of 1550 🔗

Prof Spector also suggested that basic infection control measures – including physical distancing, face masks and handwashing – should remain in place as they “don’t cost really anything to do”.

So disappointed in Tim Spector who really seemed to be promoting calm and good sense. He predicted that the prospect of a vaccine might well extend lockdowns (and wasn’t cheerleading for it either). Has he be ‘got to’ or is he so lacking in imagination that he really thinks there is no cost to social distancing and face masks? He has done a good job with the data but he shouldn’t be pronouncing on things he knows nothing about. Face masks and social distancing are not ‘basic infection control measures’. They have no evidential base, we’ve known this since the Spanish Flu. They are hypotheses that have never been proven. By the way, did anyone see Matt Hancock confessing that the UK’s covid policy was inspired by the film ‘Contagion’? That explains a lot….

402074 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #1126 of 1550 🔗

I read a posting from someone in America who was overjoyed to have the vaccine whilst pregnant, bragging she was doing the best for everyone including her baby, however sadly she miscarried.

402109 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1127 of 1550 🔗

Funny enough my brother sent that post to me this evening I don’t know how true it is though

402144 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #1128 of 1550 🔗

Yes that’s the one I saw.

402166 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to tonyspurs, 8, #1129 of 1550 🔗

Glad she is not my Doctor – bit thick

402261 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Victoria, 4, #1130 of 1550 🔗

Or my mother. Darwinism in action.

402173 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #1131 of 1550 🔗

I wish I could say I’m sad for her, but…

402175 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #1132 of 1550 🔗

Just another “coincidence” I suppose. How she doesn’t make a connection is beyond me, or at least ask the question. Maybe she is questioning it herself but not posting on social media, but I’m not hopeful. The wife of a man who dropped dead shortly after getting the “vaccine” was still touting it and saying she’d still encourage her dead husband to do the same thing again. I just don’t get it.

402075 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 22, #1133 of 1550 🔗

I went to church as usual today. I was the only unmasked worshipper but everyone is fine about it. We had an enjoyable service but when it came to the prayers we were asked to ‘pray for people in countries there is no free speech and thank God for our freedom here.’Once I would have agreed but no longer. Several have had their vaccines and so far seem OK. They keep asking me if I’ve had mine yet. I’m determined not to have a mRNA one.

402082 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1134 of 1550 🔗

I am just about to send a private message to you.
I would be most grateful if you could respond.
Many thanks

402100 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 15, #1135 of 1550 🔗

I’m sorry, but I think I would have laughed out loud, prayer or no prayer. They seem OK at the moment because it’s not designed to kill them straightaway. In a year, you will have lost a few of them, and by 5 years, all of them. don’t have any vaccine, JUST SAY NO

402121 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 10, #1136 of 1550 🔗

I haven’t been able to face going to church since this started. Made my feelings clear to the priest via email. And I’d have walked out if I’d heard that prayer.

402377 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1137 of 1550 🔗

My God,
Jesus wept. Not intended as a blasphemy.
From one who got hounded out of her church for not wearing a mask.
Not that it makes any difference now that they’ve all scuttled back into their Covidian bunker on Zoom.

402085 this is my username, 1, #1138 of 1550 🔗

Andrew Mather from Peerless Reads, interview and interesting stats.

https://youtu.be/KwJE-bDAGnk

402091 Ewan Duffy, 2, #1139 of 1550 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3t_dpIX_jc

In Portuguese but you can catch the drift just by watching. 32 seconds long (On Alex Belfield’s YT channel)

402095 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 40, #1140 of 1550 🔗

just spoke to my 23-year-old daughter, who lives 200 miles away and who I haven’t seen since August. she told me that last night in bed she came to the realisation that her life was going to be crap and she is not sure she can face it. I am engulfed by panic and despair.

402114 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JaneHarry, 29, #1141 of 1550 🔗

First, reassure her – I’m sure you have already. Maybe point her here?
Second, go to her.

402118 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Sam Vimes, 23, #1142 of 1550 🔗

Seconded. Get her home if needs be.

402130 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 20, #1143 of 1550 🔗

Sound advice methinks. Were it my daughter, I absolutely wouldn’t hesitate to get her home.

A lot of people talk about how awful the future is going to be, and far worse than the past. I think this shitshow has been brewing for years, and now that it’s come to a head we have the chance to face down the type of automaton who infest our institutions, and replace with something far better – especially for younger people.

402394 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 2, #1144 of 1550 🔗

I should add that when you get a bit older, especially with a family of your own, it’s all too easy to look back on your early 20s and think how easy and straightforward life was then, back in those halcyon days. But truth be told, in many ways it wasn’t easy, and things could look daunting and even hopeless at times, in the way they often do through youthful eyes.

Were it my girl (she’s not that old yet, but when she is) I’ll bet that a little reassurance would do wonders, and the provision of time and space such that all can appear in a better perspective would be the balm to set things right again.

402157 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JaneHarry, 20, #1145 of 1550 🔗

I must concur with the other posters — get her home if you’re concerned. I have two daughters (20 and 24) so I totally understand and I keep tabs on them to make sure they’re doing OK. My eldest was just with us for the last week just to escape the city and a tiny apartment. We’re bringing my younger daughter back early to our province from another province because she’s all alone and has no reason to be there any longer. I haven’t seen her since August. We’ve got to keep our young people close and keep tabs on their mental health. With mental health services nearly impossible to get, if you can get to her before she spirals too far downward you likely should.

402169 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #1146 of 1550 🔗

I agree with my colleagues: Go to her. Do you drive? Or take the train: I’ve been taking the train once a week or so since May – there’s no problem with using public transport.
Knock on her door, put your arms round her, make tea, sit on the sofa.
I would do ANYTHING for someone to come to me, so I advise this not necessarily because I think your daughter is in danger but simply because she’s very unhappy and it’s normal for us to offer comfort in person.

402176 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #1147 of 1550 🔗

So sorry to hear that, I’m a similar age and have also had some dark spells. If it’s that worrying I’d try to either visit or invite her over and help her out in person.

402229 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #1148 of 1550 🔗

I think you most definitely need to see her. I know the rules are a steaming pile of horseshit, but I’m sure that they do provide an exemption on mental health grounds if someone is feeling distressed and in need of company. I remember Emma Kenny bringing this up fairly recently.

402285 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 6, #1149 of 1550 🔗

I believe they do. I concur – go see her, hug her, bring her home if needed.

402302 ▶▶ mj, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1150 of 1550 🔗

Otis always makes things better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P29E7YYMD7o

You know she’s waiting
Just anticipating
For things that she’ll never, never, never, never possess, yeah yeah
But while she’s there waiting, without them
Try a little tenderness (that’s all you gotta do)

It’s not just sentimental, no, no, no
She has her grief and care, yeah yeah yeah
But the soft words, they are spoke so gentle, yeah
It makes it easier, easier to bear, yeah

You won’t regret it, no, no
Some girls they don’t forget it
Love is their only happiness, yeah
But it’s all so easy
All you gotta do is try, try a little tenderness, yeah

402304 ▶▶ CGL, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1151 of 1550 🔗

I definitely agree with all the other comments – go to her and bring her home if needs be.
Very best wishes to you and your daughter Jane. x

402372 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1152 of 1550 🔗

Tell her to start protesting and resisting. It’s her future.

402401 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1153 of 1550 🔗

If you are that worried about her, do exactly whatI did when I had a similar experuence with my mother last Tuesday. Get in the car and go give her a bloody great hug. Screw the rules. The chances of you getting stopped sre considerably less than you dying from any virus, and in any case, you are travelling because you are concerned for her well being.

402096 isobar, replying to isobar, 6, #1154 of 1550 🔗

Sky news now investigating ‘opposing groups’; it could be us next!
How COVID-conspiracists and anti-vaxxers are getting organised and making money
http://news.sky.com/story/how-covid-conspiracists-and-anti-vaxxers-are-getting-organised-and-making-money-12206707

402119 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to isobar, 5, #1155 of 1550 🔗

Getting organised… very dangerous…

402151 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to isobar, 12, #1156 of 1550 🔗

Cos the proponents of vaccines and PPE haven’t made a cent from it all and don’t have a complete stranglehold on the media. Pure philanthropy.

402153 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 9, #1157 of 1550 🔗

Typical way of attacking such people / groups. Portrait them as cashing in whilst it is actually the big pharma / media / officials that are cashing in.

Example: Doctors running websites with free health articles and selling products are smeared (see all these articles on internet) – If no money then can’t employ people to do research and pay for the website and other aspects – they must also be able to make a proper living as no one works for free. GPs earn over £100k per annum.

Whereas elsewhere lots of government / corporate shills get sponsored by Bill Gates foundation, etc. Or Diabetes U.K. sponsored by coco cola and fast food companies

402164 ▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 14, #1158 of 1550 🔗

The thing is, once a flip switches in your mind and you start seeing things for what they really are, the hypocrisy and outright myopic stupidity of the media becomes nauseating.

402174 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 4, #1159 of 1550 🔗

ironic that Yeadon got taken out on Twitter after some pro-vaxx comments

402357 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, #1160 of 1550 🔗

Hands up all those here who are making money.
Have we staged a coup and taken over the Mint?

402102 JHUNTZ, 10, #1161 of 1550 🔗

.

402103 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 28, #1162 of 1550 🔗

A marvellous read (though I do not share his view of general non-compliance with ‘social distancing’ ‘rules’ – in my experience people are generally utterly compliant):

‘Let’s speak frankly about a strange protocol foisted on us nearly a year ago – not just us but also people all over the world! – but about which there has been very little open discussion. I’m speaking of a phrase with which I’m so exasperated that it can barely come out of my mouth: “social distancing.”

It makes an appearance in the movie Contagion from 2011 but otherwise has no precedent in American-English vernacular before March 1, 2020. . . .

The idea that individual human proximity to other humans in all areas of life can and should be scripted by some centralized government plan should offend anyone with a modicum of respect for human volition, dignity, and freedom. Not only does “social distancing” wrongly presume that everyone has equal potential for being sick, contagious, and vulnerable; it presumes that everyone is equally stupid in believing that government knows better than you and me how to mitigate risk.

Never before in the history of humanity have governments imposed universal rules for how close we can get to each other in the normal course of life. Does this not trigger some sense that we are being trolled? It should. The very notion comes not from medicine, public health, virology, or any kind of real-life experience. It comes from computer science and disease modeling, a form of gaming born only twenty years ago that has been heretofore never deployed on real people.

You are the experiment. And so far, after a full year of this “distancing” kabuki dance, there is not one study with control groups that proves it has made any contribution to disease mitigation. And yet we keep doing it. I’m beginning to wonder if we’ve all become cynical about government and its public-health edicts, as if we all know this is preposterous but we do it anyway because, hey, what choice do we have?

It might be that we do not have a choice now. But we will have a choice in the future. My personal hope is that the phrase falls into disrepute and disgrace, just before it becomes a party joke. And we look back and wonder how we could have fallen for such nonsense, sort of how we feel about 1970s fashions.’

https://www.aier.org/article/people-only-pretend-to-practice-social-distancing/

402115 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1163 of 1550 🔗

The AIER site is an oasis of sanity, article after article of ferocious moral, ethical and practical deconstruction of this nightmare.

402117 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1164 of 1550 🔗

Absolutely right. It’s a terrific source.

402201 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1165 of 1550 🔗

Indeed it is, and gets the usual abusive targetting as invalid because of its free market ethos.

402136 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JohnDanny, 9, #1166 of 1550 🔗

That should have been the first question always: where is the control group? Science my arse

402142 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1167 of 1550 🔗

Let’s help it along that path by always calling it anti-social distancing.

402195 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1168 of 1550 🔗

Interesting that ‘social distancing’ first appeared in Contagion, the film that Wancock says inspired the vaccine policy.

402353 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1169 of 1550 🔗

All true.
And still the zombie cretins queue six feet apart at the hamburger stall.

402107 Awkward Git, 3, #1170 of 1550 🔗

Found this from 2016 but a lot of what is stated is very familiar:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia2/ciencia_virus65.htm

402112 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 32, #1171 of 1550 🔗

Have just seen this:

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf

Open Letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance to: Nadhim Zahawi – Minister for Covid-19 Vaccine Deployment Matt Hancock – Secretary of State for Health and Social Care MHRA JCVI Cc: Boris Johnson – Prime Minister 05 February 2021

Re: Urgent warning re Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the elderly and Care Homes

402128 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 7, #1172 of 1550 🔗

Interesting to see Israel has more deaths since they vaccinated their people, however governments are yet to be concerned 😏 , could it be they are not too bothered culling their elderly? Once the dust settles on this scam I hope those responsible swing from the gallows.

402138 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #1173 of 1550 🔗

No. If they wanted to “cull” the elderly they wouldn’t have gone nuts with ultimately pointless measures.

But if the vaccines are killing the elderly, then you can be sure they are going to do all they can to suppress, twist, misrepresent the information and generally try to confuse the public to evade any blame.

402168 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stewart, 3, #1174 of 1550 🔗

As different countries are vaccinating at very different rates this could be hard to hide if Israel, UK. US are seeing noticeably higher death rates of vaccinated elderly as compared with Bulgaria, Argentina, Austria.

402190 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #1175 of 1550 🔗

Hard to hide? Serious?

I would have thought that this last year is proof if anything that ANY story can be made true.

I have literally zero faith in truth winning out just because it’s the truth. They have the power to bury anything.

402225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stewart, 1, #1176 of 1550 🔗

Fair to say they totally pwn the media but once the proles lose faith in an article (of faith not in a newspaper) like vaccines then TPTB will have the devil of a job selling the jab.

402254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to stewart, #1177 of 1550 🔗

Didn’t they literally just do that when Andrew Marr’s interviewee went rogue on the vaccines this morning? The video footage has been blocked on YouTube apparently ..

402129 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basileus, 15, #1178 of 1550 🔗

This is a superb paper. The extent of the correlation between vaccination and elderly care home deaths is now very strong. The UK Gov cannot ignore this (but they probably will).
Also recommend a superb article from Iain Davis, posted here:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/why-there-correlation-between-vaccine-rollout-and-increased-covid%E2%80%9319-mortality

402204 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to godowneasy, #1179 of 1550 🔗

Excellent read. Clear and concise analysis of a very worrying correlation. Evidence seems incontrovertible or, at the very least, deserving of an urgent inquiry but it’s too easy to blame it on Covid. New ‘deadly’ strains are particularly useful for this purpose.

402149 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Basileus, 12, #1180 of 1550 🔗

No way in a million years the UK Government will follow the US example in making this data public. Not while they are basking in the glory of being one of the leading lights in the vaccine rollout. There is absolutely no criticism from any MSM quarter of the vaccine – it is portrayed as a matter of national pride. They simply cannot afford any negative publicity and it will not be allowed.

402199 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Basileus, 3, #1181 of 1550 🔗

Well presented letter. I hope they are listening. They probably already know, hence ‘it was mutant ninja turtle viruses wot dunnit’.

402212 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Basileus, 2, #1182 of 1550 🔗

This is becoming quite concerning. Joel Smalley has recently made a YouTube video commenting on the sudden spike in excess deaths coinciding with the vaccination rollout.

402233 ▶▶ kate, replying to Basileus, #1183 of 1550 🔗

Thanks Basileus, for posting this.
I have just sent it to my MP and a local Councillor.

To be honest I have little hope that my MP (Caroline Lucas) will do anything.
But how can I live with myself if I do nothing?

402235 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 4, #1184 of 1550 🔗

This report ought to be put into the forum so that it can easily be found again. Things disappear BTL.

Also Toby should feature it ATL

402399 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to kate, #1185 of 1550 🔗

She might do something. I think the Green Party has been wrong-footed by being against GM crops and now apparently in favour of a GM ‘vaccine’. Apparently her office is aware of this inconsistency.

402209 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1187 of 1550 🔗

“They call it the Trojan Horse Mechanism”

!!!!

402124 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 39, #1188 of 1550 🔗

News item about BAME groups and low vaccine take up;
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-government-very-concerned-about-low-vaccine-uptake-among-bame-communities-12211460
I note the vaccine minister said;
“If one particular community remains unvaccinated, then the virus will seek them out and it will go through that community like wildfire”
He makes the virus sound like a heat seeking missile with evil intent! Yet another ridiculous statement about the virus to add to my list.
But it does raise the question as to; if any restrictions are placed on people who have not been vaccinated will that now be seen as racial discrimination?

402125 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #1189 of 1550 🔗

It also makes the odd assumption that all non whites live in racially exclusive communities. If the vaccines are effective (for the sake of argument), why wouldn’t the Sikh family down the road in my otherwise very white street benefit from a local herd immunity?

402127 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #1190 of 1550 🔗

Who gives a shit

402132 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jaguarpig, 12, #1191 of 1550 🔗

There comes a time when you get so tired of the lies, Jaguarpig, that there is no better answer than yours.

402194 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RichardJames, 1, #1192 of 1550 🔗

Yep.

402131 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #1193 of 1550 🔗

It could help in the fight against vaccine passports. It would be difficult to introduce such an Orwellian system if it’s seen to discriminate against a particular group.

402133 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Tenchy, -1, #1194 of 1550 🔗

BAME Supremacy.

402344 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1195 of 1550 🔗

Let’s all take the knee
For BAME,
Because if they get nabbed
For bring un-jabbed,
BLM
Will take action for them
And demonstrate
At an incredible rate.

402228 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1196 of 1550 🔗

Maybe the posts online showing the ingredients (including cells from aborted foetuses) – I was sent one and was shocked but looked it up and found most vaccines contain cloned cells from a foetus from 1961 – pretty creepy even if it is ‘science’: check it out on: https://vaccinateyourfamily.org/questions-about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/

402134 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1197 of 1550 🔗

Has anyone told him yet that the “vaccines” have not been proven to stop you getting it or transmitting it?

402135 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #1198 of 1550 🔗

This is why they’re running around like headless chickens trying to convince black and Asian people to have it. They won’t be able to roll out their beloved ‘Covi-pass’ for entry to theatres, restaurants, sports venues, etc if they can’t convince them to have this gene therapy because they will not get away with discriminating against them. The interesting question in all this is, why – if this virus is so much worse for BAME people – so many of them don’t want this ‘magic’ vaccine and did the technocrats plan for this thorn in the side of their plan?

402179 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lili, 14, #1199 of 1550 🔗

Looks like I will be dining out at Indian restaurants when the CovviPass comes in.

402309 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1200 of 1550 🔗

and paying cash I hope:)

402224 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Lili, #1201 of 1550 🔗

Simple. It will be mandated.

402239 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to happychappy, #1202 of 1550 🔗

And we’ll be shot if we don’t get the shot – do you think people will get the message then?

402451 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Lili, #1203 of 1550 🔗

Worse for them because they have darker skin which absorbs less Vitamin D from sunlight, but no matter, there’s nothing to prove that Vitmin D boosts immunity against viruses etc.

402141 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1204 of 1550 🔗

Brain dead. DNR.

402202 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #1205 of 1550 🔗

If one particular community remains unvaccinated, then the virus will seek them out and it will go through that community like wildfire

We’ve had sarscov2 for over 12 months now. If that nonsense were true, those communities would already have been wiped out!

402220 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1206 of 1550 🔗

Excellent point 🙂 He’s probably just fretting about B117 which is the Black Death de nos jours.

402269 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cheezilla, #1207 of 1550 🔗

Well, they wouldn’t be because it kills hardly anyone (in the large scheme of things)

402215 ▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1208 of 1550 🔗

Maybe the vaccine will work for the next virus and will get rid of all the Bame people and sceptics in one go.. quite frankly I’d go willingly if that’s the world we’re left with..

402367 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1209 of 1550 🔗

maybe they need a snappy slogan to encourage BAME to take the vaccine. How about “Black Lives Matter”?

402146 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 37, #1210 of 1550 🔗

“Coronavirus latest news: Restrictions on large gatherings likely to be in place ‘for next few years'”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-covid-vaccine-lockdown-end-latest-cases/

And there was I thinking that Spector was one of the good guys deep down. Imagine being the kind of anti-human who could say that masks and anti social distancing “don’t really cost anything”. The only way we’re going to get out of this is revolution.

402165 ▶▶ Janette, replying to mattghg, 25, #1211 of 1550 🔗

So what was the point of the damn vaccine. What an absolute shambles! So it just goes to show that the benefits of the vaccine have no merit whatsoever!

402171 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janette, 20, #1212 of 1550 🔗

And yet there has been no end of willing lab rats thinking their jab will set them free! So sad!

402257 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1213 of 1550 🔗

I suspect fear of contracting covid-19 is a big factor too.

Speaking of which, has the government got any plans to conduct Vitamin D trials along the lines suggested by the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service (or similarly genuinely independent groups of scientists or doctors)?

And if not, why not? I would suggest that a failure to do so could constitute a criminal negligence.

See here for the OMNS advice

orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml

402188 ▶▶ DRW, replying to mattghg, 8, #1214 of 1550 🔗

Unsurprising as all these types are required to say the ‘correct’ things, usually from funding and publicity pressures. This has been done for years with “climate change”.

402241 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to mattghg, 2, #1215 of 1550 🔗

Or when our economy gets to the level of some of the poorer African countries, perhaps.

402290 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mattghg, #1216 of 1550 🔗

I don’t trust him, and never have done.

402148 DRW, replying to DRW, 55, #1217 of 1550 🔗

Very pleased to see my neighbours having family round today, looks like they all had a good time. Again not much but still nice to see people enjoying themselves regardless. As I’ve mentioned before they are all sceptics and their visible defiance is nice to see.

Just some small positivity against the endless doom propaganda.

402154 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DRW, 10, #1218 of 1550 🔗

Yes it’s things like this that give us hope

402193 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to arfurmo, 13, #1220 of 1550 🔗

Good for them, Florida has been sane throughout and I’d like to see the Governor run in 2024.

But this:

“The volunteers said they had found some eager recipients, but some passersby had laughed at their group’s effort or commented that they were outside and therefore did not need a mask.
‘People have the mindset where, if I’m outside, I don’t need one,’ said the youth corps’ 17-year-old Gabrielle Jones.”

What sort of ghastly little Red Guard is she?

402163 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 63, #1221 of 1550 🔗

So nine people watching a rugby match “at a house” in Glamorgan is national news now, is it, punishable by fines?

What madness is this? I just hope they don’t get onto our anti-lockdown “prayer group”, We have more than nine going, put it that way.

What exactly do they expect to achieve by all this draconian nonsense? And where is their evidence? And do they really want to carry on with stuff like this for years? Surely this is untenable – “Down with this sort of thing”!

Furthermore, are they aware that several million “essential workers” (as opposed to those oh so non-essential workers who may not have a job to come back to if and when this ends) are continuing to work through this? That lorry drivers are travelling between these places of work all over the country? That many people are now putting those ridiculous snot rags over their faces helping to spread diseases (I just don’t accept that blowing your nose, then fishing a snot rag out of your pocket and putting it over your face for a bus journey, and then repeating the process later when you go to a shop and so on and on will do any good to anyone)? That people are going home from crowded shops to their households containing people who have been doing “essential work” and children of “essential workers” who are still allowed to go to school? And that they are then not allowed to leave their homes except for government sanctioned reasons, but it will be alright, because they will leave their windows open (and good luck with that in the snow and wind we had today)?

The whole thing’s a farce! Why don’t they just concentrate on protecting the most vulnerable? – something they’ve not done well on so far!

402182 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Hugh, 22, #1222 of 1550 🔗

It’s not a farce – it’s the new normal! It’s not about protecting the most vulnerable – it’s about control!

402227 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to TheClone, 4, #1223 of 1550 🔗

Well blow me down!

One thing’s for certain, it’s about something, and it’s going to be profitable for pharmaceutical companies (if there’s any money left after the economic crash).

Back to normal in 2022? Nah, I reckon the threat of renewed excessive restrictions will be with us for the long term if “they” have their way (and possibly not even renewed but continued restrictions in countries like New Zealand)

402186 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Hugh, 7, #1224 of 1550 🔗

How many Premier League players are on a football pitch at any one time? Yet matches haven’t been banned.

402206 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Kat, 1, #1225 of 1550 🔗

They have to enter the pitch separately then spend the next 90 minutes wrestling for the ball at corners.

402232 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1226 of 1550 🔗

and wrestling each other when celebrating goals.

402230 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Kat, 9, #1227 of 1550 🔗

How many people are in a supermarket at any one time? Yet not one paying spectator is allowed onto an open terrace to watch a football match. What a nonsense!

402276 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Kat, 2, #1228 of 1550 🔗

Keeps the masses occupied.

Puts ‘the ‘circuses’ in ‘bread and circuses’

402213 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hugh, 10, #1229 of 1550 🔗

i have watched the odd masked singer episode. (curiosity!) and i notice that they actually have an audience there . Socially distanced and masked

However going to watch the masked singer live cannot be a valid reason for leaving home.
These people are in breach of the guidelines. so why arent the police following up on this and beating the crap having a word

402236 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to mj, 6, #1230 of 1550 🔗

Don’t expect to see it on the BBC if the police “have a word” with people breaching the guideline. They’re too busy looking for stories about police brutality in Russia, which I dare say is a kinder, gentler sort of police brutality than the UK kind. Or something.

402221 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Hugh, 11, #1231 of 1550 🔗

What is absolutely ridiculous and illogical is that rugby depends on physical contact from the tackle to the very close contact in rucks and scrums. If you can play rugby then there’s no reason why you cannot meet with more people at home.

402278 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to p02099003, 18, #1232 of 1550 🔗
402577 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to rockoman, #1233 of 1550 🔗

Not really Rugby mate, it’s the Ra-Ra game which Boris and his chums were forced to play at their pubic schools. Put your head up the arse in front of you and then cough!

402621 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bungle, #1234 of 1550 🔗

oh, as opposed to that “touch” rugby that’s popular in Yorkshire? 🙂

402203 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 23, #1235 of 1550 🔗

If we’re going to be basing an all-encompassing social policy on Hollywood films like Contagion I hope to fuck Hancock and Boros haven’t seen Schindler’s List.

402260 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1236 of 1550 🔗

https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/proof/ this website argued films such as Contagion were propaganda to prepare us for what is happening today.

402292 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ianric, 6, #1237 of 1550 🔗

I’ve been of the opinion for years that virtually all TV drama (particularly BBC) and Hollywood output is propaganda.

402445 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1238 of 1550 🔗

Undoubtedly.

402211 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 19, #1240 of 1550 🔗

I’ve just read on a local news website a statement from Cornwall Council that 44% of all of Cornwall’s covid deaths have occurred since January 1, 2021.
And they started jabbing the oldies when exactly?

402222 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to bluemoon, 12, #1241 of 1550 🔗

The Pfizer one started to be rolled out earlier in December. This is a pattern now. The UK Medical Freedom Alliance has just sent a letter to Government about this pattern, they ask that we share and send it to our MP’s as it quite alarming and needs looking at. UK Column also confirmed that care home deaths have gone up by an alarming amount (I think it was 81%) since the vaccine- of course some are being recorded as Covid even though these people managed to avoid Covid over the last year… The letter: https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf

402231 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1242 of 1550 🔗

Thanks for this Suzy, I’ll get onto it.
And I hope everyone else does too.

402248 ▶▶ RickH, replying to bluemoon, -1, #1243 of 1550 🔗

It would be a mistake to make that connection without better evidence than just possible association.

The south-west had a remarkably low level of (real) infection first time round.

We can’t bang on about data and reality and then forget it when it suits.

402255 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 3, #1244 of 1550 🔗

So what explains the correlation? Coincidence?

402271 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1245 of 1550 🔗

Possibly (that’s tested by probabilities, for which we currently have no basis) – or simply the infection getting to a non-immune population … or something else.

That’s science and rational thought : testing the hypothesis with data. Data that we don’t have. Assertions based on confirmation bias are what we are (or should be) fighting against. The correlation = causation fallacy is anathema to a real sceptic.

402389 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 2, #1246 of 1550 🔗

There comes a point when the amount of correlation fits the duck test.

402263 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 6, #1247 of 1550 🔗

The key will be to closely watch deaths in the lowering age groups. By rolling out jabs in reverse age order, we’ll be able to see any distinct connection.

402287 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to RickH, 2, #1248 of 1550 🔗

Hey, imagine the BBC did that alongside their daily death statistics – gave an age breakdown of those who had died, and how many in different regions.

The BBC are more political than scientific though, I suspect.

402517 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to RickH, #1249 of 1550 🔗

It’s not just the old folk keeling over within a week of vaccination though, this will be long term exposure for millions of otherwise healthy people. Like the meltdown of the economy and decimation of the middle class (people that work for themselves not for the state) the effects will be known ‘in a year or two’. That’s simply unacceptable (assuming you are even allowed to chose for yourself)

But the game is rigged. There is only one possibility to stop the harm and that is scaring enough people that the vaccine is probably a serious health risk and to become ‘vaccine hesitant’ knowing that a large numbers of others already are.

So smear this everywhere and hope some of it hits home.

402214 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1250 of 1550 🔗

Lockdown does not drive infections:

https://rumble.com/vdmnld-lockdowns-have-no-effect-the-compelling-evidence.html

Cummins and Smalley have long demonstrated this:

https://youtu.be/m121hAiREvc

402402 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1251 of 1550 🔗

Nice summary, although it’s worse even that he points out in the video because it takes time for lockdown to have its supposed effect.

you can also see from Cummins and Smalley that google mobility data will show Christmas Day to NYE movements plummet as you’d expect, then rebound to around the level we’d see in summer. Like the level of “people taking precautions but not hermit level stuff”. So I think it shows that cases fall even with a normal level of activity.

402218 IvanDP, replying to IvanDP, 6, #1252 of 1550 🔗
402314 ▶▶ LS99, replying to IvanDP, #1253 of 1550 🔗

Brilliant!

402386 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IvanDP, #1254 of 1550 🔗

That’s the way to do it!

402219 DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 32, #1255 of 1550 🔗

I enjoy visiting industrial heritage visitor attractions such as “heritage” railways, I have just learnt that The Ffestiniog & Welsh Highland Railway in Wales have made 30 staff redundant, this is approx. 1/3 of the workforce.

Apparently the annual turnover of the railway is approx. £6M, however 2020 brought in “just” £1M.

With the various vaccines not allowing a return to normality, sadly & unfortunately I can see bad times ahead for attractions such as The Ffestiniog.

The effect on the local area would be hard, the railway is believed to bring approx. £25M into the area from visitors to the railway each year.

402234 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DoubtingDave, 13, #1256 of 1550 🔗

That is really sad. How many steam railways will be able to continue? How many attractions of any kind?

402273 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to this is my username, 4, #1257 of 1550 🔗

The Severn valley railway is really struggling.

402398 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1258 of 1550 🔗

They are which is a shame and I receive their monthly e mail updates. They strike me as very naive though and swallow the government line wholesale even though every event gets cancelled almost as soon as its announced. They are now clinging to the vaccine cavalry hope. Any resumption of services though are likely to be fully masked up and distanced such that the numbers make it unviable. It also takes all the spontaneity out of it as everything has to be pre booked and whole bubble carriages booked which discriminate against the single traveller. All stations in between the end two have been closed for a year making walks difficult. They even taped up access to the river footpath…but someone got the scissors out and removed all the tape thus reopening the footpath. Now I wonder who that was.

402412 ▶▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Boris Bullshit, #1259 of 1550 🔗

Spontaneity is a thing of the past.

402407 ▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1260 of 1550 🔗

I know many of the railways have been asking for donations from supporters, that is OK in the short term but if those supporters are also having a tough time financially that is not a maintainable position.

402249 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DoubtingDave, 4, #1261 of 1550 🔗

I’ve been on that one. Sad indeed if it closes.

402279 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DoubtingDave, 15, #1262 of 1550 🔗

It is very worrying. Preserved railways have been a tremendous story of success, built on volunteers and professionals in a remarkable way. Like many other enterprises, they depend upon the revenues from the punters, and we’re now soon coming into the crucial season.

Extend this concern to other areas – a multitude of small businesses, the arts and entertainment, sport … and what has been inflicted is a horrendous disaster.

… and still people are thinking that the consumption of gallons of snake oil is going to put things right.

Fucking beam me up, Scottie!!!!

402331 ▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to RickH, 10, #1263 of 1550 🔗

When is Joe Public going to realise that coroni viri snake oil is not the miracle cure they have been told it is?

I have a friend who is thinking about building a new camper van ready for the end of lockdown, he thinks once xxx% of the public have been stabbed in the arm we will return to the good old days of 2019.

People are deluded.

402397 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DoubtingDave, 4, #1264 of 1550 🔗

Then let’s hope that they are deluded enough to start acting normally themselves once they’ve had their snake oil.

402284 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to DoubtingDave, 2, #1265 of 1550 🔗

I visit the region often and that is one of the big attractions.

I suspect crowds at sporting events will not recover to pre-lockdown levels any time soon either.

402237 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 11, #1266 of 1550 🔗

Dr Naomi Wolf: Baroness Claire Fox In UK House of Lords: Warns of Despair, Loss of Debate, due to “Lockdown”
https://youtu.be/-nCX973sfpA

402371 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to this is my username, 3, #1267 of 1550 🔗

Claire Fox is describing a police state!

402244 IvanDP, replying to IvanDP, 14, #1268 of 1550 🔗

Following on from yesterday’s post regarding the cafe in Manchester that opened, this is what he poor guy got in return:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGCg_2wwLE&feature=youtu.be

402277 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to IvanDP, 11, #1269 of 1550 🔗

Sickening. If you play it in slow motion the PO clearly landed a punch. Grounds for dismissal and charges, assuming that the cafe owner wasn’t violent first, and it doesn’t seem like he was.

402283 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 11, #1270 of 1550 🔗

Now let the BBC show that on their news programmes alongside their reports from Russia. Or are they not even pretending to be impartial now!

Anything being done to support him? If there’s not a permanent section atl for people like him, perhaps there should be – or would they shut Toby down?

402293 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to IvanDP, 10, #1271 of 1550 🔗

Fucking cunts I hope these coppers start getting dropped and soon

402307 ▶▶ leggy, replying to IvanDP, 1, #1272 of 1550 🔗

This is what they have to say about it. Going to be another whitewash.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5074879452582033&id=166857596717601

402354 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 1, #1273 of 1550 🔗

The comments are horrendous!

402247 BTLnewbie, 20, #1274 of 1550 🔗

Zahawi has now said that the vaccinations will need to be an annual event.
How much will that increase the risk of Autoimmune Disease Enhancement for the vaccinated who subsequently get the virus?

402251 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 83, #1275 of 1550 🔗

Imagine a government that was primarily concerned to save lives by promoting public health. What would its priorities be? The obvious answer is based on a recognition of what is the greatest public health threat. In contemporary Britain, the answer to this question is lack of exercise. No one who is familiar with the evidence doubts this. So a government concerned with saving lives by public health measures would prioritise the promotion of exercise. This is the exact opposite of what the government has done. In fact it is the opposite of what governments have done for decades.

The current government has done everything it can to reduce exercise. It has placed people under virtual house arrest. It has made participation in sports illegal (except for professional sports, a tiny minority). It has engendered a police state where people are harassed for taking exercise.

Yet, even the NHS recognises that exercise is a miracle cure. There is no other intervention that can prevent and cure maladies to anything like the same extent. The list of benefits are virtually infinite. Name a health problem, any problem, and exercise can prevent it, can reduce its severity, and can even cure it. If the pharmaceutical corporations could come up with a drug that was even a fraction as effective, they would be able to charge whatever price they wanted for it.

Yet in the name of an exclusive motivation to save lives, the government has done everything it can to make exercise less and less available to the vast majority of the people. It has restricted the number of exercises a person can engage in. It has restricted the number of times that a person can engage in them. It has restricted the number of people one can mix with in order to engage in them. All this has been done supposedly to promote public health. But it can only have the opposite effect and is often absurd on its face. For example, in order to promote public health one is not allowed to play golf, but, under the regulations, people can together walk around a golf course. How does them holding golf clubs and using golf balls render the walk around the course more dangerous?

No minister has explained how depriving people of exercise, of the social and emotional benefits of playing sports, of access to sunlight is going to make us all healthier: probably because it won’t; it will make us sicker, both physically and emotionally, and it will weaken the social bonds that are essential to a healthy society.

Any government that was concerned to promote public health would prioritise exercise. Any government that puts as many barriers in the way of exercise as it can is clearly not concerned to promote public health. No matter what it says.

402264 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, 28, #1276 of 1550 🔗

That’s because it is a Medical Dictatorship not a Health Dictatorship. It’s all about pushing expensive drugs and “vaccines” to make money, form over function (Our NHS is the best, the staff are all heroes, Potemkin hospitals), and asserting control.

402274 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1277 of 1550 🔗

Absolutely, makes no sense. And to return my reply about a post about vaping yesterday, PHE of all people say that vaping is 95% safer than smoking yet Vape shops are forcibly closed. Joined up thinking, I think not! Idiots!!!

402275 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1278 of 1550 🔗

Sorry to nitpick (if you’re still allowed to say that) but a friend of a friend (Phillip Day) has suggested that insufficient clean water (i.e. filtered, or mineral water from glass bottles) is quite a big killer too, with people opting for soft drinks, tea etc. or tap water with the chemicals left in, or having clean water in too small a quantity.

Stress is also a pretty big killer, but of course that can be linked to lack of exercise.

Still, a scandal if the net effect (and one among many negative consequences) of lockdowns and related restrictions is that people have less exercise.

Of course, they also eat worse. And feel more stressed. And so on.

402280 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hugh, -1, #1279 of 1550 🔗

It is not clear to me what your nitpick is. I asserted that lack of exercise is the biggest public health problem. Are you wishing to claim it is something else? If so, what?

402294 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1280 of 1550 🔗

I think Day’s book asserted that a lack of clean water was the biggest killer in Britain today. I can see the logic in it as water is pretty fundamental to life, and considering some of the things people drink instead, but I dare say it depends how you count it, and I can’t remember the exact quotation.

Certainly a lack of exercise is a big killer, and a sedentary lifestyle is not natural. Time was when the average person walked three miles per day, and did quite a lot of other strenuous things too. Suffice to say it’s gone down hill since then. And, overall, the lockdown has not helped.

I think the book was “Cancer – Why We Are Still Dying To Know The Truth” (in a chapter on salt and water) – a book I would recommend for its laying bare of some of the shenanigans by the pharmaceutical industry over the years.

Worth reading in full (as they say) for those who want to understand the sort of thing that might be going on at the moment, and some of the things that lead to it.

402337 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, 1, #1281 of 1550 🔗

I met Phillip Day about 20 years ago. He’s a very genuine person, passionate about spreading his message.

I also recommend Edward Griffin’s book World Without Cance r.
Part 2 gives a lot of background to the rise of Big Pharma and explains a lot of what’s going on now.

402387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cheezilla, #1282 of 1550 🔗

Yes, I think I’ve heard of it. I must take a look some time.

402286 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1283 of 1550 🔗

Any government concerned to promote public health would have radically reformed the National Health Service so no government in this country has given a frying flock about public health since about 1963.

402306 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1284 of 1550 🔗

It’s been obvious for years that several European countries have better health outcomes than those provided by “our” NHS. So I guess I shouldn’t hold my breath on that government fact finding mission to Sweden. Or Belarus. Or Utah…

402336 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hugh, -10, #1285 of 1550 🔗

The NHS is not the issue.

402418 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 7, #1286 of 1550 🔗

Oh do shut up, you perpetual bore. While the NHS may not be *the* issue, it’s certainly *an* issue.

I know you *think* you’re an authority on what can and cannot be discussed on this site, you self-important prick, but you’re not.

402546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1287 of 1550 🔗

I was thinking along the same lines, but you said it better.

402433 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #1288 of 1550 🔗

Jeremy *unt reformed it somewhat – made it a lot worse!

402468 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1289 of 1550 🔗

Andrew Lansley I think (2012), when Cameron was PM. Total reorganisation, & probably made it more costly to run.

*unt merely ignored the pandemic preparedness report (2016).

402587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to John001, 1, #1290 of 1550 🔗

Yes, the extreme aversion to even acknowledge that no other 1st world country would dream of having an NHS is notable.
They much prefer having some variety of Social Insurance Health Care which gives them 1st world healthcare rather than the 2nd world system we’ve got.

402291 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Hayes, 21, #1291 of 1550 🔗

Similar to how it was quickly determined that vitamin D deficiency was a major factor, so they locked (or coerced) everyone indoors during the sunniest summer every recorded.

402391 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1292 of 1550 🔗

Criminal

402303 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #1293 of 1550 🔗

100% true.

And not only have they restricted exercise, they’ve essentially told people that going out for a walk will quite likely spread the disease and kill people. So they’ve actively discouraged them from doing it through the use of psychological techniques and propaganda telling them that it’s a dangerous and selfish thing to do.

Amongst younger people this can probably be reversed, although bad habits are very hard to break. But a year of inactivity can be catastrophic to the elderly. The very people we are supposed to be protecting. I remember after LD1, when they finally got rid of shielding (can’t remember exactly when that was, July or August perhaps?) having a brief conversation with an elderly lady out hobbling along the road. She eagerly told me that this was the first time she’d been out for a walk since March, now that she was “allowed out again”. So presumably she hadn’t moved further than chair to kitchen to bedroom for 4 months. Amazing that she could still stand upright to be honest.

402373 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1294 of 1550 🔗

I don’t have any health problems but if I did I’d have certainly ignored all advice telling me to shield. I’d rather shorten my life doing the things I love than have a prolonged existence being kept safe.

402393 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1295 of 1550 🔗

Good habits are hard to break as well.

I have a theory that the food rationing from c. 1939-1955 stood that generation in good stead for a long and healthy life – and that, given the trends since then (exacerbated of course by the current shamble) a reversal of the rise in life expectancy (which we now seem to be seeing) was bound to happen before long.

402403 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 3, #1296 of 1550 🔗

There were plenty of warnings about that, long before the bollox.The present generation of fat, flabby children is
unlikely to outlive its parents, or so the ‘experts’ were saying.

402551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #1297 of 1550 🔗

The present generation will by hook or by crook find themselves being vaccinated and as such they will be dead meat.

402548 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to A. Contrarian, #1298 of 1550 🔗

And amazingly stupid, such people are cannon fodder.

402311 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #1299 of 1550 🔗

I can relate to this. This time last year I was a regular at my gym and also went to yoga classes. During the first lockdown I lost 5 kilos (of muscle), when the gym reopened it was a long, long slog. Just as I was feeling a little better – lockdown 2.

I will be 60 this year and have never felt more unhealthy.

This is madness.

402388 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #1300 of 1550 🔗

Yes the fact they have closed gyms etc just goes to prove that the government could not care less about our health. There is something very sinister going on!

402316 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #1301 of 1550 🔗

You’re so right. Swimming pools being shut is criminal considering the amount of people who need that particular non weight bearing exercise due to arthritis and joint pain. The social aspect of going to the public swimming baths for adults and children is so crucial too – it’s going to show soon enough in poorer health

402319 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Marialta, 14, #1302 of 1550 🔗

My mum’s health – physical and mental – has seriously deteriorated for her not being able to go swimming. She only learned at age 69 and was going 2 or 3 times a week. She always felt more mobile and supple and it helped her in all ways. The closure of swimming pools – full of chlorine in which viruses cannot survive – was one of the most nonsensical things they could have done.
And one of the reasons that this cannot be put down to a virus or to health.

402329 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1303 of 1550 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Even before this farce, I would start every morning with an hour-long brisk walk, whatever the weather, and go running in the afternoon, and I still do. During the first lockdown in the summer I went on 40-50 mile cycle rides. I haven’t curtailed my exercise one bit as a result of the govenrment edicts.

402359 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Poppy, 3, #1304 of 1550 🔗

I have as a guy my exercise was the gym. They keep ripping it away from gym goers based on no science at all.

402408 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Poppy, 1, #1305 of 1550 🔗

Great! Me too!

402342 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1306 of 1550 🔗

I actually believe the government, NHS and big pharma want a society of unfit and unhealthy people as there’s no money to be made from the healthy. I’ve totally ignored all the restrictions about how many times you can go out for exercise from day one and will continue to do so.

402420 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to fiery, 1, #1307 of 1550 🔗

Great that’s what we all need to do

402460 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to fiery, 2, #1308 of 1550 🔗

They get you to eat excess processed crap then sell you drugs to counteract the same. Follow the company chains, they all come back to the same big players. Now they have annual vaccines too!

402384 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1309 of 1550 🔗

It has actually occurred to me that a mishit golf ball could end up lodged in a cow’s posterior. a gentleman looking for a different golf ball could say to a lady golfer of the said golf ball that “it looks like yours”, she ends up giving him a slap and thus spreading infection. (I can’t remember where I saw that sketch…)

402406 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1310 of 1550 🔗

Remember Wankok, back at the beginning of the bollox, threatening to stop people from going outside at all , even for the regulation 30 minutes?
And in Spain they locked up all the children in their apartments for months .

402413 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1311 of 1550 🔗

Brilliant post! And you’ve got plenty of well deserved “upticks” for it. This is where the overweight pandemic monster, puffing and huffing, gets stuck in the mud: it has no answer to those who say, “Actually, I’m fine thanks!”.

We are the lion that roars.

402262 Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 33, #1312 of 1550 🔗

Rumour has it Ferguson has finally been defunded, which is why he’s been pushing his models and tripe to the media instead

402267 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 5, #1313 of 1550 🔗

Surely not by Gates? He’s done his job so well!

402288 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1314 of 1550 🔗

In my glory days he’d have been quietly liquidated once his work was done.

402297 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 5, #1315 of 1550 🔗

Let’s hope so!

402332 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 4, #1316 of 1550 🔗

Too good to be true.

402348 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), #1317 of 1550 🔗

someone joked on the BBC he could do Strictly Come Dancing

402382 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 2, #1318 of 1550 🔗

I hope you are right.

402305 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 28, #1319 of 1550 🔗

..

402364 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1320 of 1550 🔗

Yes, hearts and minds usually trumps facts and figures. And Big Pharma are very good at propaganda.

402375 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1321 of 1550 🔗

God bless Thomas Sowell.

402498 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1322 of 1550 🔗

I found him during the summer of BLM, and now have several of his books. What a very wise man – with a quote for all seasons.
“If people in the media cannot decide whether they are in the business of reporting news or manufacturing propaganda, it is all the more important that the public understand that difference, and choose their news sources accordingly.”

“What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that they don’t like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don’t expect freedom to survive very long.”

“A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests.”

“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true, but many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.”

“What is called an educated person is often someone who has had a dangerously superficial exposure to a wide spectrum of subjects.”

“In short, numbers are accepted as evidence when they agree with preconceptions, but not when they don’t.”

Emotions neither prove nor disprove facts. There was a time when any rational adult understood this. But years of dumbed-down education and emphasis on how people ‘feel’ have left too many people unable to see through this media gimmick.”

402526 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to CGL, #1323 of 1550 🔗

He’s an old boy now but I hope he stays with us a long time yet.

402493 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JHUNTZ, #1324 of 1550 🔗

Nice rejoinder.

402308 JHUNTZ, 7, #1325 of 1550 🔗

,

402312 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 36, #1326 of 1550 🔗

Tim Spector doing the rounds in the Telegraph saying mass gatherings are a thing of the past and that social distancing and masks should remain forever as a “costless” public health measure.

Luckily it looks like his comments aren’t going down well with people.

402315 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Ricky1, 30, #1327 of 1550 🔗

There is nothing costless about losing your ability to breathe or social interaction. These idiots have no idea of the damage they are inflicting on the public both physically and mentally.

402317 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Laura Suckling, 18, #1328 of 1550 🔗

Oh, I’m sure they do. They just don’t care, the cult is not concerned by such things.

402320 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Laura Suckling, 30, #1329 of 1550 🔗

I agree – anyone who can say this is a sociopath and – not to wrap it up – a cupid stunt who is trying to degrade society to their own level of emotional and social impoverishment.

402380 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 4, #1330 of 1550 🔗

Comment of the week Rick.

402324 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ricky1, 24, #1331 of 1550 🔗

The fact he thinks these measures are ‘costless’ really highlights how divorced from reality and ordinary people he really is.

402356 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Poppy, 9, #1332 of 1550 🔗

Well he’s a scientist – see my earlier post. We are all just lab rats to them. Most of them are probably workaholics, so wrapped up in their vitally important work that they have no time for personal lives or normal interactions, which is how they can compartmentalize so easily. For sure it won’t be scientists that save us from this. Or politicians.

402326 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky1, 4, #1333 of 1550 🔗

Tim Spector Spectre – that’s a bit more build back better

402343 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1334 of 1550 🔗

I guess no Haj pilgrimage to Mecca this year?

402362 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ricky1, 12, #1335 of 1550 🔗

The almost entirely sceptical DT/DM comments, provided censorbots are off, are one of the few encouraging developments right now.

402365 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ricky1, 15, #1336 of 1550 🔗

How does he think SD is costless? How does he think restaurants, cinemas, theatres, hairdressers, shops, sports centres, public transport and even that holy relic the NHS can continue to operate at one quarter capacity or less?

402374 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ricky1, 31, #1337 of 1550 🔗

Being a single parent, the notion that I should never come within six feet of another human being again, that I should completely abandon hope of finding anyone to love again or enjoy anything that means anything to me ever again doesn’t seem very “costless” to me.

402507 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1338 of 1550 🔗

The pool of like-minded people got smaller, but don’t give up! At least you’ll know with one question whether you and a potential date share the same values. You definitely deserve love again so keep hope alive.

402518 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1339 of 1550 🔗

Cheers Lisa! I’ve always done quite well with the ladies but I’ve been bringing my kids up on my own for ten years now. This madness will sort the wheat from the chaff.

402542 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1340 of 1550 🔗

Ditto, Jo.

402424 ▶▶ John001, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1341 of 1550 🔗

He had a funding bid rejected recently.

Tenure (aka freedom of academic speech) ended here in 1988. Some German and US lecturers still seem to have tenure so can speak out.

If a paper by a professor such as Ioannidis says ‘Unfunded’, I think it means that they’re doing the work on their normal academic salary. So it’s untainted by possibly having to say what pleases an outside funder.

402650 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to Ricky1, #1342 of 1550 🔗

Unbelievable. I have deleted my Zoe account, in anger rather than as a rational response.

402318 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 45, #1343 of 1550 🔗

I have just checked the latest up-date on the NHS/Gov dashboard ‘covid’ patients in NHS England have now dropped 33% from their peak in January. ‘Total overall deaths are not especially alarming for a respiratory disease in the wintertime.
So the NHS is not overwhelmed, deaths are not such as to elicit a major public health intervention, what is going on?
If they do not want me to conclude that there is some sinister conspiracy theory, then it is time to end the circus, pack up the tent and go home. If they carry on with this nonsense against the weight of all the evidence then why would i not conclude that there is something weird and sinister going on?

402325 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #1344 of 1550 🔗

I am trying very had not to conclude there is something sinister going on, it is becoming increasingly difficult.

402481 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1345 of 1550 🔗

How about HCQ being taken off the shelves in FEBRUARY last year?

402535 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Laura Suckling, #1346 of 1550 🔗

Tin foil hats come in all sizes.Im sure we can find you one

402339 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #1347 of 1550 🔗

I’d imagine they want as many people as possible vaccinated before the realisation kicks in we aren’t going back to normal. A lot of people took the vaccine on trust that such things as holidays will happen again. If that doesn’t happen trust is broken.

402379 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #1348 of 1550 🔗

Government ministers and their expert advisers have repeatedly and consistently stated that the vaccinated have to follow all the rules.

402404 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1349 of 1550 🔗

Following on from my post above, I think this may be part of it, to try and use the must follow the rules to get peer pressure to do the work of getting more people vaccinated – so not only are those people anti vax but are alse stopping others returning to normal.

402423 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1350 of 1550 🔗

Unfortunately, the sheeple suffer from selective deafness.

402437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1351 of 1550 🔗

Another symptom of “the coronavirus”

402431 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1352 of 1550 🔗

That’s not what people have heard though.

402489 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1353 of 1550 🔗

Yes – why is that? How did we hear it and they haven’t? They haven’t exactly been quiet about it have they.

402400 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #1354 of 1550 🔗

I believe the numbers vaccinated is no where near published, that is the problem. Not only has the country purchased a serious amount of actual vaccines that need to be used up but everything has been geared towards a vaccine. Up until now the majority have obeyed everything the government has said, suddenly NHS staff have said no, care home workers have said no, how many more? Could this explain the attacks on everyone as being anti-vax?

402414 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1355 of 1550 🔗

If you notice, when they publish the figures of total people vaccinated they say so and so million have been offered the vaccine.

I suspect they are struggling to convince people to take it.

402383 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #1356 of 1550 🔗

They believe the reason why the numbers are where they are is due to lockdowns. This is the common view right now and no amount of science will change that. As it stands, without a major win in pushing back against the covidians, this is the road of travel as I see it.

> Schools stay closed till Summer.
> Quarantine Hotels for travellers pivot to take anyone domestically with a + test as numbers collapse. This will be seen as a great way to keep T & T from not being overwhelmed.
> Masks stay, all summer. Possibly outdoors. 50/50 as whether the zealots get their way on that one otherwise it would have happened already.
> The vaccine rollout slows and the hesitant are blamed. Massive pressure on select groups to start with by Summer.
> Many businesses will either remain closed or certainly open with oppressive restrictions as the government adopt a baseline goal of less than 100 cases a day nationally as their target. Therefore, tiers remain indefinitely.

402508 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, #1357 of 1550 🔗

33 just spottin’.

402321 james007, replying to james007, 24, #1358 of 1550 🔗

Chris Snowdon has been moaning about the nanny state for years; arguing against tobacco regulation, sugar taxes, drug prohibition and so forth. Apparently the biggest state seizure of civil rights in history though, lasting almost a year – is completely justified and for our own good. Has he lost his mind or has he always been a two-faced prat?
Similarly the ERG hard-liners with their deeply moral principles, worth forcing out a PM. Especially the Roman Catholic Jacob Rees Mogg, what about those deeply held principles about the wisdom of the British people, our long standing values of freedom and justice?

402335 ▶▶ R G, replying to james007, 7, #1359 of 1550 🔗

That article in The Critic that was linked yesterday has the likes of Snowdon down to a T. Pathetic doesn’t even begin to describe the response to lockdown by the civil liberties squad.

402347 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to james007, 8, #1360 of 1550 🔗

JRM is bought and paid for by the Rothchilds that’s how he got started.

402349 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to james007, 3, #1361 of 1550 🔗

Snowden always struck me as weak when he was on a spiked podcast with Delingpole. I thought then that he was not a genuine lockdown sceptic. So it came as no surprise to find he cut and run with the very people he claims to have always despised. He now founds himself on the side of all those who want ever bigger government. Lets hope he enjoys the company of his new friends.

402360 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to james007, 5, #1362 of 1550 🔗

Yes, it’s very disappointing that Reece Mogg has come out for Niel O’Brien

402370 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to james007, 7, #1363 of 1550 🔗

Snowdon wrote a fierce condemnation of Lockdown saying Sweden had completely destroyed all rationale for it. Here it is.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/01/sweden-has-destroyed-the-case-for-lockdown/

That was last October.

He’s made the biggest about face since the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

402421 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to james007, 6, #1364 of 1550 🔗

Rees Mogg showed his true dastardly colours last week.

402330 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 23, #1365 of 1550 🔗

The Great Barrington Declaration is now so toxic that it is banned by facebook. A major part of this site is now censored. What would you like to say about this Toby and team?

https://twitter.com/gbdeclaration/status/1358449223197466627

402334 ▶▶ CGL, replying to godowneasy, 27, #1366 of 1550 🔗

This censorship is the thing that scares me the most about all of this.
If we can’t have opinions or speak them, what sort of world is this?

402351 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to CGL, 34, #1367 of 1550 🔗

The censorship is also what confirms that there is incontrovertibly an agenda being followed. Why else would such crushing of dissent be required?

402471 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 4, #1368 of 1550 🔗

It is required to make people accept the ”vaccine”.
The ”vaccine” is THAT important.

402355 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CGL, 13, #1369 of 1550 🔗

The sooner that dated free speech banners like Twitbook are sidelined by platforms such as BitChute, the better

402488 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Hugh, 3, #1370 of 1550 🔗

All of us should be using alternative platforms as much as possible.

There are low entry costs for migrating to browsers like Brave.

Our French friends have set up a pretty good search engine in the form of Qwant.

For the more ambitious, you can enhance your privacy by migrating to a Linux distribution. Linux Mint is almost as simple to set up and run as Windows at this point.

402419 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #1371 of 1550 🔗

Listening to the Claire Fox interview and she points out the worrying lack of debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nCX973sfpA&feature=youtu.be

402464 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1372 of 1550 🔗

Yes – I am just finishing listening to that now. A very sensible and reasonable interview I thought. Not a sceptic really, but saying that liberty should be taken account of is vital, and not being allowed to say that liberty is important, actually says quite a lot doesn’t it.

402366 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1373 of 1550 🔗

The fact that it was a vaccine related post that did it is not surprising. It is glaringly obvious that if you do not self censor on the topic, as LS seem to have done, these companies will do it for you.

402485 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1374 of 1550 🔗

Vaccination is clearly very important for some reason.

402532 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, 3, #1375 of 1550 🔗

It’s the gateway drug to totalitarianism

402340 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 10, #1376 of 1550 🔗

I have never been a violent person. However, one of the few pleasures remaining to me is MY LIST. I like to imagine who I would like to evaporate given the chance……it’s a very long list.

402346 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Laura Suckling, 9, #1377 of 1550 🔗

And they’ll none of them be missed…

402436 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1378 of 1550 🔗

Good film to watch – Black Book:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389557/

The black book is the equivalent of your list, Laura.

402466 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1379 of 1550 🔗

Evaporation is much too good for them. They need something to make them sweat for hour after hour after hour…..
Even if nothing happens to them in the end.

402341 Mibi, 1, #1380 of 1550 🔗

Have you got a lockdown poem? How about joining the Freedom Writing Challenge: https://thewhiterose.uk/freedom-writing-challenge/

402363 DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 6, #1381 of 1550 🔗

When I was young I was taken to Billy Smart’s Circus, these days all of life is a circus, mainly populated with clowns.

402369 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to DoubtingDave, 9, #1382 of 1550 🔗

No more circus, no more theatre, no more mass spectator sport if “they” get their way and this goes on for ever. I sincerely hope this shambles is untenable because it doesn’t bear thinking about.

402411 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 9, #1383 of 1550 🔗

First they ignore us,
Then they laugh at us,
Then they fight us,
Then we win.

Gandhi

We’re well into the fight.
Have faith, Hugh!

402425 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1384 of 1550 🔗

And watch Darkest Hour. (Even if it is unfair on Neville Chamberlain).

Things are always darkest before the dawn, they say.

402483 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Hugh, #1385 of 1550 🔗

It is untenable.

Transitions from one system to another are often like this.

402381 ▶▶ DRW, replying to DoubtingDave, 3, #1386 of 1550 🔗

Indeed, Clownworld is the right word.

402417 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DRW, 11, #1387 of 1550 🔗

.

402426 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to DRW, 2, #1388 of 1550 🔗

Reminds me of the btl post on day one of this site!

402368 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 8, #1389 of 1550 🔗

Regarding fitness, if it’s all about getting the old heart rate up my partner and I elected to leave the gym regardless of the is it open, shut or make an appointmen crap!!and elected to have more sex working out ok at the moment.

402473 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #1390 of 1550 🔗

Unless you’re doing it hanging from a chandelier, you’re unfortunately not burning that many calories! But it’s good for your physical and mental health so go for it.

402395 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1391 of 1550 🔗

Not looking good for the AZ jab . From the Guardian “More from South Africa , after health authorities decided to suspend use of the AstraZeneca vaccine following research showing it was less effective against the variant originating in the country.
The government had planned to administer the AstraZeneca jab to healthcare workers soon, after receiving 1 million doses produced by the Serum Institute of India on Monday.
It will now instead offer vaccines developed by Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer in the coming weeks while experts consider how the AstraZeneca shot can be deployed, according to Reuters.” In Europe per the Express “The country’s health chiefs have authorised the use of the drug to inoculate people aged between 18 and 55 but followed France, Germany, Italy and Austria in imposing age restrictions amid concerns over a lack of data on it use on the elderly. Italy also recommends its preferential use for adults of 55 and under, while Germany, France, Austria and Norway will only administer the shot to people younger than 65.”Poland is also not using it for O65s .

On some sites people are having a virtual party when they find out they will be having a jab .
Looks like they are in for a disappoitment when they encounter the SA variant if they get the AZ one.

402409 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 15, #1392 of 1550 🔗

offered only limited protection against mild disease caused by the 501Y.V2 coronavirus variant

Why does anyone need protection against a mild disease???

402463 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1393 of 1550 🔗

It sounds as though the adverse reactions to the ”vaccine” are actually worse than the ”disease” iself.
I’ll take my chances.

402480 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1394 of 1550 🔗

Heh.

Looks like I was sadly correct the media and Big Pharma were just throwing stuff at the wall in claiming the AZ jab was, “effective against the mutant SA strain.”

402396 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 21, #1395 of 1550 🔗

I’m in total despair, I’m not sure I’m going to make this through unscathed. Now I find out that council officials will knock on your door and demand to know why you’re unvaxxed. if the answer isn’t good enough then you’ll be treated as a health rish and shipped off to a detention centre (Sound familiar AKA Canadian Gov leaked papers) probably one of the four hastily build mega prisons. I can’t flee the country unless I have the vaccine.

My last hope of destroying this farce by highlighting Ivermectin is now being debunked by Pharmas who have sold this for 40 years and now calling it unsafe. couldn’t make this shit up. I keep thinking I will go down fighting when they force the poison on me, I will stab the vaccinator in the neck the moment they jab me. An eye for eye and all that!!!

402416 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Andrew K, 16, #1396 of 1550 🔗

That is utter bullshit scare propaganda. Do NOT be gaslit.

402422 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1397 of 1550 🔗

In Canada is that? I seem to remember Trudeau’s liberal party have previously wanted to kick people out of their party for “thought crimes”. I’m not at all surprised if they’re not particularly big on human rights. Scratch a liberal, find a fascist (if it is indeed Trudeau’s lot you’re talking about.

A I’ve said previously, Big Pharma also got apricot kernels banned from being sold as a food in the EU because they can prevent and cure cancer (at least that’s my reading of it).
So I’m not at all surprised that they’ve done this too. If it threatens their profits, they’ll call it unsafe if they can. They must not be allowed to get away with this, keep fighting!

402456 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Hugh, 2, #1398 of 1550 🔗

The Mega prisons are being built in UK, and council knocking on your door story in the Sunday’s.

402533 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1399 of 1550 🔗

The main function of the Sundays is gaslighting and whitewash.

402459 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hugh, 1, #1400 of 1550 🔗

Even the independent-thinking Albertans have now shown themselves to be quaking, easily-coerced scaredy-cats. I used to think (knowing it well) that they’d be the last bastion of Canadian common sense. Perhaps they were once – and now it’s fallen

402465 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 2, #1401 of 1550 🔗

I agree. Albertans have been captured as well. The premier, Jason Kenney, was starting to push back but he’s not one of us. Alberta is opening up for indoor dining tomorrow, albeit with major restrictions in place, and yet some restaurant owners aren’t opening up because they don’t think it’s “safe” enough yet. I guess it’s their funeral.

402461 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hugh, 1, #1402 of 1550 🔗

Our Conservative party is expelling MPs and MPPs for thought crimes as well. I should say so-called conservatives. Our provincial government is Conservative and they’ve been as draconian as anyone and a few brave MPPs have formed an anti-lockdown caucus. It’s the same shit show everywhere.

402479 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, #1403 of 1550 🔗

I’m in a similar situation for some reasons that are similar and some that are very different.

I’m praying I can move to a location with more freedom in the US within a few months.

402500 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1404 of 1550 🔗

Which state are you in? How is your freedom being curtailed? I am out of touch. I can’t watch US news – they present with masks on!!!

402529 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1405 of 1550 🔗

I am in NY state.

Face diapers are mandatory for entry to all businesses. Curfew shuts bars and restaurants at 10 PM.

Mandatory quarantine, testing, and entry into the track and trace system for travelers entering from 45 of 50 other US states.

Note that the quarantine is unenforceable by road at this time.

402536 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1406 of 1550 🔗

I am so heartbroken. I’m a former California resident. It’s bad there but still varies county to county. Ventura almost completely open. Pasadena City pushing back, too. LA is literally gone. I can’t imagine ever going back there. I heard NY was pushing back in the summer. What happened? Public mania? I’m inherently a Dem but I feel they have literally been taken over by an alien force. What has happened? Are ANY businesses pushing back? The mask thing is chilling. I see people putting masks on babies. It’s sick. What is wrong with them?!

402611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1407 of 1550 🔗

Well, I am outside NYC in a secondary city and there has been no significant pushback from businesses or people in the region.

I agree there are larger, powerful, evil forces at work in this whole mess. I’m sure exactly what they are at this time.

402616 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1408 of 1550 🔗

And what happens to people who can’t wear masks?

Bring on Nuremberg mar II!

402513 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1409 of 1550 🔗

Andrew, I don’t know if you are more polite than me, but if anyone comes knocking on my door, they will be met with a very impolite “FUCK OFF”, and the door will be slammed in their face.

402522 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrew K, #1410 of 1550 🔗

If you do get that knock on the door invite them in and show them all the videos on Bitchute and Brand New Tube where there are a number of doctors advising not to get the vaccine.

402405 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 15, #1411 of 1550 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1QbdBjcOZtLL/

Video from Israeli vaccination clinic. Victim died 15mins after receiving the shot

402415 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jinks, 11, #1412 of 1550 🔗

Wow. That’s sent a shiver.

Literally poisoned.

402410 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #1413 of 1550 🔗

Excellent thread on Scientism and Corona.

True scientific enquiry is on our side. And it will win out.

https://twitter.com/theotherphilipp/status/1358455231437275139

402449 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1414 of 1550 🔗

He needs a bunch of “football hooligans” to even things out.

402462 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1415 of 1550 🔗

Outstanding twitter thread.

402501 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1416 of 1550 🔗

The great Tucholsky already knew:

“Don’t let yourself be impressed by any expert who tells you: Dear friend, I’ve been doing this for 20 years! You can also something wrong for 20 years.”

402427 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 31, #1417 of 1550 🔗

Some good news in terms of recognising what is actually going on. India have rejected Pfizer’s vax due to post marketing reports of adverse events such as palsy, anaphylaxis etc.

Word is that a halfway agreement was for Pfizer to take up an offer of a small local trial in India, and they weren’t willing. Strange given India would be one of the largest single markets in the world for it.

I’d say their own trials and proof of the effectiveness of HCQ and Ivermectin also helped their decision.

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1358411054641012740

402475 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1418 of 1550 🔗

Great to see scientific sanity from the country with the 2nd largest population and 5th or 6th largest GDP on Earth!

402428 Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 2, #1419 of 1550 🔗

TV on in background and an advert came on for The Line. This is what it was referring to:

https://www.neom.com/whatistheline/

402435 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), #1420 of 1550 🔗

That looks slick.

Must show it to the farmers living around here. They’ll be well up for it

402499 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Sarigan (Day 321 of lockdown), 2, #1421 of 1550 🔗

Prototype for Agenda 21/30 sustainable cities/prisons

402429 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 26, #1422 of 1550 🔗

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-restrictions-will-not-be-scrapped-when-vaccine-rollout-complete-says-deputy-first-minister-3126282

Well, knock me sideways. I never did expect this. Did you!/

When. Are. People. Going. To. Say. F*ck. Off.

402439 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #1423 of 1550 🔗

I hope some of the public read that and realise they are being taken for fools.

402443 ▶▶ CGL, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 28, #1424 of 1550 🔗

Face coverings are going to be a fact of life for some time to come.
I can’t live in a world of half faces. It’s getting unbearable.

402467 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to CGL, 15, #1425 of 1550 🔗

Right?

I was just at the supermarket and the young woman who rang me up had two face diapers on.

She could not have been older than 21 or 22 years of age.

I weep for the future.

402453 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 22, #1426 of 1550 🔗

And STILL people are saying ”can’t wait for the vaccine to be taken up so that we can get back to normal….”
Don’t they listen to ANYTHING?

402472 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Banjones, 11, #1427 of 1550 🔗

No, they don’t.

402478 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 16, #1428 of 1550 🔗

Zahawi, the other day said, “no-one is safe till the whole world is vaccinated”. This is the new “we are doing this for your own good” approach.

Granny gets vaxxed, but can’t hug/see the grandkids until all the grannies in Outer Mongolia get vaxxed too.

402434 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 8, #1429 of 1550 🔗

Sorry if it’s been posted but have you seen in dailymail uk about Luc and his “resistance to being arrested” and “appearing to be punched” by a nasty evil thug of a cop? Sorry I can’t link I’m not very tech .

402440 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sodastream, 4, #1430 of 1550 🔗

It has been posted below (or above depending on how you’ve sorted!) yes – and there is a link to make a complaint to the Greater Manchester Police authority about it. The police ‘officer’ should be sacked for that behaviour.

402447 ▶▶ IvanDP, replying to Sodastream, 8, #1431 of 1550 🔗

And now a report in the Manchester Evening News looks like he’s been arrested for assaulting a police officer……

Have they not seen the video????????

402497 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to IvanDP, 5, #1432 of 1550 🔗

Shot while attempting to escape

402506 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to IvanDP, 8, #1433 of 1550 🔗

He shouldn’t have hit the copper’s fist with his face.

402509 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to IvanDP, 4, #1434 of 1550 🔗

If there is a court case the video will be part of the evidence, and likely to be seen on main stream media. Difficult to imagine a jury convicting the man after seeing that video. Difficult to imagine Patel .arguing convincingly that what we see is not sheer , blatant thuggery , but she will try of course.

402521 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mikewaite, 4, #1435 of 1550 🔗

What is a “jury”, comrade?

402502 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Sodastream, 8, #1438 of 1550 🔗

Fuck the pigs

402514 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 12, #1439 of 1550 🔗

I hate them. I will never, under any circumstances, cooperate with them in any way, ever again.

402516 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1440 of 1550 🔗

Same here.

402441 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1441 of 1550 🔗

Tubthumping.

Injected with a poison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCkmIyC6v00

402446 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1442 of 1550 🔗
402476 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1443 of 1550 🔗

Good one.

They were a great live band, if I can remember back to those old days of live music

Think this one applies to most of our MPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waJLv46_N6c&list=PLgwKIfLV3Sw6yU5OU8McxoD9K9bK0MU1-

402487 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Freecumbria, 17, #1444 of 1550 🔗

,

402496 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1445 of 1550 🔗

Oh, this looks good! Not true, unfortunately.

The rest of my post has been deleted for reasons of national security.

I mean, I deleted it myself – self-censorship, if you like.

402448 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 24, #1446 of 1550 🔗

Only just arrived. Spent the day with a book.
Just heard about the madness spreading through my old stamping ground, Worcester north. Apparently, the SA strain is killing them off in their thousands – or they’re dropping like flies – or there are piles of bodies in the streets and the hospital is bursting….. or….

Or one person has ”tested positive”. I am appalled.

402523 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Banjones, 3, #1447 of 1550 🔗

I posted one of the cautionary comments from LS today on the Worcester News website.

402564 ▶▶▶ MrWilliam, replying to frankfrankly, #1448 of 1550 🔗

First time poster here, but long-time lurker. I’m trying to fight the good fight on the Worcester News as well.

402614 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Banjones, 1, #1449 of 1550 🔗

Oh, like that place in Australia.

A mad, mad world.

402452 Cheezilla, 3, #1450 of 1550 🔗
402458 Andrew K, 7, #1451 of 1550 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/8GrtbU9VmT5D/

URGENT MESSAGE BY DR ANDREW KAUFMAN

402474 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 35, #1452 of 1550 🔗

The stab rate in London reaches 13 with two dead

However this does does not stop the police from punching a man in the face for cooking breakfast

It appears the police are conflicted and having some sort of identity crises as Owen Jones might not say

402486 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 28, #1453 of 1550 🔗

That video also shows the copper holding the bloke by the throat.

Not wishing to use the race-card here, but if that had been a black bloke Manchester would be burning by now.

402492 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1454 of 1550 🔗

You know, I just said the same to my wife.

The self censorship that surrounds these events is glaring.

402495 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1455 of 1550 🔗

Obviously, not all lives matter.

402511 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1456 of 1550 🔗

As a people we are just too nice for our own good , our sheer bloody minded individuality , our obsession with being polite and not being easy to rile up . This is at once our greatest strength but as the controllers all so clearly know , it is also our greatest weakness. If we unified as a people and defended our own , the stasi tyrants wouldn’t last five minutes .
I watched just how quickly the coppers backed off in Hyde Park last summer when the crowd finally decided to push back , the fear was on the coppers faces for a change .

402515 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Christopher, 3, #1457 of 1550 🔗

Well, note that there is always a huge amount of negative propaganda directed at any effort for people like us to defend our own interests or develop a group identity.

402525 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1458 of 1550 🔗

Couldn’t agree anymore with you on that wildgoose , we have been deliberately deracinated as a nation . We all know now what we would be accused of being if we developed some form of in group preference and defended each other .

402490 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1459 of 1550 🔗

It’s simple.

Punching breakfast-man is easy and safe.

Arresting stab-killers isn’t.

402576 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1460 of 1550 🔗

Steyn summed it up:
“ ‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”

“It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.”

402613 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1461 of 1550 🔗

A grocer’s shop near me – the owner complained that people run in and nick stuff and nothing is done about it.

But when I got stuck at a broke level crossing gate for half an hour on a hot day and stopped my car in the shade on the wrong side of the road, they sent two police vehicles to deal with me, and hounded me with letters for months afterwards. True story. Shocking state this country’s in.

402620 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Hugh, #1462 of 1550 🔗

Anarcho-tyranny at work!

402482 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #1463 of 1550 🔗

“The pathogen was spread from Wuhan a month after Merkel’s 3-day visit, but did not
register on the radar throughout the winter season until a German virologist who just
happened to meet Merkel, the WHO head, the Gates guy, the Wellcome Trust guy,
then just happened to develop a PCR test for the pathogen, that was then deployed
at the tail of the winter season so that the lockdown could be credited with declining
cases when in reality the spring season leads to declining cases for all respiratory
viruses, which nonetheless gave Merkel and other governments cover to enact the
same lockdown again in the next winter season now that the concept of lockdowns
and testing of healthy people with fraudulent PCR tests was established, and after
Merkel and Soeder had convinced Europe that it was the lockdown that led to fewer
hospitalizations, not the change of seasons.”

Coronavirus-History-Overview-article-Long.pdf (thefatemperor.com)

Posted by Ivor C. Fascinating read. Globalist manoeuvring.

402534 ▶▶ Alice, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1464 of 1550 🔗

This really looks fascinating! And convincing…

Here’s the conclusion in one sentence:

“the Merkel government collaborated with the CCP and its world-wide assets to fake the pandemic.”

I’m not sure what to think…

402494 swedenborg, 13, #1466 of 1550 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1358411054641012740

India has not accepted today Pfizer’s C-19 vaccine.No EAU for that vaccine.(That’s a 1.3 billion persons market lost for Pfizer).

402503 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1467 of 1550 🔗

PropagandaLive back on song after several days of little fresh news.

“Frontline doctors are campaigning to have four symptoms added to the official NHS list of coronavirus indicators.

“The 140 GPs have written to England’s Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty to warn that the virus might not be detected in some patients if people are not made aware of these common symptoms

Currently, the NHS say the main things people should look out for are “a lack of taste or smell, a persistent and ongoing cough, and a high temperature or fever.”

“But according to the GP’s many people are also exhibiting four classic cold symptoms which are a runny nose, blocked nose, sore throat and headache.”

[..]

“Dr Alex Sohal, Honorary Clinical Senior Lecturer in Primary Care at Queen Mary University of London, writes: “These patients have frequently not even considered that they may have Covid-19 and have not self-isolated in the crucial early days when they were most infectious.””

Sneakily, the propagandalive outlet does not make it clear the doctors are from the NHS, not from Edinburgh area as can reasonably be supposed from a title EdinburghLive.

Evidence the group is concerned with programming the public mind of a nation. The BBC embedded Local Democracy reporters are at work on most local rags across tge country.

And, then the stupidity of the symptoms, or should that be GPs?

402541 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basics, 5, #1468 of 1550 🔗

What’s next as a symptom? Breathing?

402561 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1469 of 1550 🔗

If you’re breathing, you’ve got it.

If you’re not breathing, it killed you.

402549 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Basics, 3, #1470 of 1550 🔗

Wouldn’t that mean they have – er – a cold? The insanity grows day by day.

402557 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to redbirdpete, 14, #1471 of 1550 🔗

Humour

402575 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1472 of 1550 🔗

Excellent.
I thought one of the symptoms was not having any symptoms.

402504 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1473 of 1550 🔗

A good takedown of the Pro-mask CDC study

Isn’t it interesting that:

“Sites in states that did not have statewide mask mandates during March 1–October 17, 2020, were excluded from the analyses”

In other words they deliberately excluded comparisons against locations without mandates and, of course and most-importantly they cherry-picked the dates.
We all know what happened starting in the middle of October with Covid-19. Yet the masks work study was constricted to the times otherwise known as spring into the summer and early fall, exactly when viral infections tend to wane for other reasons which we have known for decades — specifically, people are outside more often and Vitamin D levels are higher due to outdoor sun exposure . In addition air conditioning systems indoors condense water vapor out of the air which in aerosol (and droplet) form carries viruses and harmlessly sends such condensed vapor and what it carries down the drain.

CDC: Propaganda Exemplified in [Market-Ticker] (market-ticker.org)

402520 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1474 of 1550 🔗

Did Ancel Keys conduct the study?

402505 Banjones, 3, #1475 of 1550 🔗

I think I found this link here – but it’s worth repeating:
The HCQ cover-up

https://rumble.com/vdibv5-the-hydroxychloroquine-coverup.html

402510 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #1476 of 1550 🔗

CNC round up for the day…

Sweet young friend from Romania who works in a care home was offered vaccine, said no thanks and it was end of. No pressure. Answer accepted. Good girl!

Elderly friend in US in bed at home with “very bad Covid”. Had a dinner party two weeks ago and now most of the guests now have it. My first thought was – well if you’d let the kids have the parties and create herd immunity in the first place, you might be alright. Second thought, you hypocrites for making youngsters feel guilty for mixing. Third thought: one of the old cronies DEFO had a shot before attending party! And little twist… another guest had had the shot the day before. Tested positive after the party but told, “it’s okay we won’t count it because obvs you test positive after you get the shot – it’s a glade reading from you having had the shot. (BUT REMEMBER FOLKS, THE VACCINE CANNOT GIVE YOU COVID. Also… ALL POSITIVE TESTS MEAN YOU HAVE COVID!)

And best news of all is God’s killer sense of humour. Human hubris own goal of the century. Israelis vaccinate everyone. Stop the Palestinians getting vaccines. Israeli infection and death rates soar. Palestinian rates decline. I honestly don’t care if it’s fake news. It’s just priceless.

This all gets sillier by the day…

402530 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1477 of 1550 🔗

Palestine 7 day ave deaths 6, Israel 47 according to worldometer.

402512 iansn, 2, #1478 of 1550 🔗
402519 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 30, #1479 of 1550 🔗

Church today. We baptised my daughter. She resisted exorcism, but quite enjoyed the actual baptism. Seemed confused by the chrismation, but she is three so perhaps that is not surprising. She was obviously suspicious when given her first communion.

Life goes on.

We prayed for Nick Rose in the eucharist. Such is the nature of the Internet that I cannot be sure he even existed as presented, nor that the name attached to the comments here was his real name. I myself, like many of us on here, hide behind a pseudonym and few of us would even recognise each other in the street. But on some level, however distorted or obscured, there are real people behind the user names. And in the real world, prayers have been offered for that person.

402524 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Ovis, 12, #1480 of 1550 🔗

I’ve been down since I heard the news. His last few months in this life were under government tyranny.

Last year he said something like he wasn’t sure what it would be like after these forums were gone. I said that I’d miss his posts. Sigh.

402552 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Caramel, #1481 of 1550 🔗

What is this news??!

402555 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1482 of 1550 🔗

Nick passed away after experiencing covid systems. One of the commenters here called his sister (a nurse) and brother but they found him collapsed at home. They called an ambulance but sadly couldn’t revive him.

402601 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Caramel, 1, #1483 of 1550 🔗

Oh that is too sad. If only we’d all stayed home, “saved” the NHS and they’d been available to him. It makes me so angry… this utter bullshit is wrecking lives.

402619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Caramel, 2, #1484 of 1550 🔗

Aha the 77th fiction writers are back again

402622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Draper233, -1, #1485 of 1550 🔗

What do you mean by that?

402627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Caramel, 2, #1486 of 1550 🔗

I think they mean we’ve no idea if any of this is true. Do you have a link to something like a Facebook site or similar mourning his death?

Since you seem to know all about him, how old was he and had he had the vaccine recently? Did he have other co-morbidities? Was he obese?

402630 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to OKUK, 1, #1487 of 1550 🔗

54 and seemingly no co-morbidities. He was a hillwalker. No Facebook or mourning site that we know of. His family are going to get an autopsy done on him.

He mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he was quite sick and had lost his sense of smell and taste. The factory where he worked made him get covid tests because he was visibly sick.

402629 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Caramel, #1488 of 1550 🔗

What are ‘covid symptoms’?