2021-02-08

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402651 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 6, #1 of 1937 🔗

Two days in a row.

402653 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Niborxof, 9, #2 of 1937 🔗

Sad 😀

402660 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Niborxof, 17, #3 of 1937 🔗

VIDEO Italian MP Sara Cunial Speech On Bill Gates Insider Paper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6KlEmnQxY&t=0s

402748 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #4 of 1937 🔗

Yes, bang to rights.

402750 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #5 of 1937 🔗

Amazing speech

402752 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to rose, 16, #6 of 1937 🔗

The best bit is when the chairman reasserts the lady’s right to continue when others start shouting her down, reminding them free speech is allowed in parliament.

Italians – capable of the best (this) and the worst (the first country to copy China-style lockdowns).

402839 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #7 of 1937 🔗

Beautiful.

402676 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 7, #8 of 1937 🔗

One more day and you will qualify for the star prize: a free cocktail of snake oils.

402700 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Niborxof, 13, #9 of 1937 🔗

You need to get out more……. Ooooops your not allowed are you

402702 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 13, #10 of 1937 🔗

I was going to say get a life, but of course we arent allowed to by governemnt diktat.

402652 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #11 of 1937 🔗

Bosses CAN legally demand that staff get vaccinated against Covid under health and safety laws, ministers say It won’t end with just the covid vaccine, it’ll open the flood gates.

402666 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 72, #12 of 1937 🔗

Ministers can say what they like. DM can say what it likes. This is ILLEGAL and it breaks HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS. If someone is coerced into taking medical intervention they don’t want, that company is going to be in DEEP SHIT!

402668 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 29, #13 of 1937 🔗

Lets hope you’re right, but I have a horrible feeling about that.

402952 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #14 of 1937 🔗

Collectively if we say no there is not much they can do about it.

402675 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 62, #15 of 1937 🔗

Yes.The first judge to rule that a person can be deprived of his/her livelihood for exercising his/her human right to decline a medical procedure will be toast. If British judges are cowardly enough to be toast, it’s up to the European court.No surrender on this one.

402751 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 16, #16 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely! It’s a red line issue.

404476 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, 4, #17 of 1937 🔗

I think perhaps you don’t understand: society is moving towards Hard Fascism where you will have no rights.

402949 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #18 of 1937 🔗

And would be in breach of the Nurenburg Code.

403435 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -13, #19 of 1937 🔗

Are you a lawyer or do you have a law qualification?

403748 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AidanR, 6, #20 of 1937 🔗

Fortunately any civilian is allowed to know the law in their own democratic country. You don’t need to be a lawyer or have law qualifications. This kind of information is in the public domain. I’m sorry if it’s not where you live.

403941 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -11, #21 of 1937 🔗

A particularly boneheaded response.

The law is an extremely complicated beast, A lay reading can easily come to the exact opposite conclusion to that demonstrated in case law.

403968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AidanR, 5, #22 of 1937 🔗

Okay. Stay scared.

404612 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #23 of 1937 🔗

I’m pretty sure the worthless globalist filth isn’t the slightest bit concerned whether something is legal or not

402679 ▶▶ TC, replying to Anti_socialist, 31, #24 of 1937 🔗

No jab,no job?
If and when the Government implements that “policy” throughout the public sector, including especially the NHS where I understand there’s still some resistance, then I might be more concerned.
Still, it’s a sign of the rampant and ramped up fear in society.

402714 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to TC, 19, #25 of 1937 🔗

This is already happening in some sectors of government. Workers are being told that they cannot come into work unless they have the jab. They are also receiving it at work. The union has been fighting it to no avail

402955 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Marg, 13, #26 of 1937 🔗

Then the Unions will have to try harder!

404478 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #27 of 1937 🔗

The Unions will be bought. It is so much easier than fighting them.

404708 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Marg, #28 of 1937 🔗

My union is pushing face masks and the jab, egged on by its unhinged members.

402852 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TC, 11, #29 of 1937 🔗

might have some difficulty when they encounter resistance aka “cultural differences”

403439 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to crimsonpirate, -3, #30 of 1937 🔗

Rules only need to apply to white people while we’re still 83% of the population.

402683 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 38, #31 of 1937 🔗

Never refuse a vaccine
make it conditional on your employer/GP signing a liability letter (hint – they wont)

https://freedomtaker.com/

402686 ▶▶ TheBigman, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #32 of 1937 🔗

Totalitarianism by the back door. Once they get away with that what next?

402695 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Anti_socialist, 35, #33 of 1937 🔗

They can’t legally do this. You can’t require anyone to take an experimental medical treatment that is still undergoing trials that is contrary to various Human Rights Laws and Codes and one which is actually harming people. There are plenty of instances of this now. And despite what they are putting out which is clearly intentional, there is not as yet any clear evidence that it prevents transmission. Indeed there are many who are coming down with this virus shortly after vaccination. There are also issues with disability discrimination if a person cannot have a vaccine and there is also unfair dismissal if you have been employed for 2 years. They are putting this out to push people to rush for the jab and no doubt some will. It will need testing in Employment Tribunals but I would be surprised if they don’t find in favour of the employee or potential employee.

403442 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Suzyv, -7, #34 of 1937 🔗

Are you a lawyer then?

The problem is, they can classify the virus whatever way they need to in order to skirt around any definition that says ‘experimental’.

For all practical purposes, the fact is they can do WTF they want, and no amount of bloviating on internet forums about human rights will stop them.

403680 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to AidanR, 7, #35 of 1937 🔗

No they can’t. Not while the rule of law still stands, and law requires definition that they can’t skirt around. If rule of law becomes irrelevant then it becomes survival of the fittest and we might as well all get out there with our pick axe handles and baseball bats. The courts have already thrown out loads of inappropriate FPNs.

403975 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to HoMojo, 7, #36 of 1937 🔗

Have you not seen enough evidence in videos on social media etc that the rule of law does not – in practice – apply anymore, unless you want to spend years pursuing it while making a lawyer very rich and you very poor?

Coppers are abusing their power. Shops are gold-plating their covid policies. Saga are advertising vaxxed-only holidays.

Is anyone stopping them? No, they are not.

You can get all outraged and say ‘THEY CAN’T DO THAT’ – but they can. They have, The video of it is right there.

Is it wrong? Yes. Does that change the facts on the ground? No.

404187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to AidanR, 3, #37 of 1937 🔗

Ever heard of propaganda? A lot of this stuff doing the rounds is hyped up, to keep the masses fearful that they have no rights or power. This is what they want you to believe.

403753 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to AidanR, 4, #38 of 1937 🔗

No Aidan, you are very confused. They can’t do “what they want”. You have legal rights. Don’t let them scare you.

403956 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #39 of 1937 🔗

How condescending.

Sure, we have legal rights… It takes a uniformed yob 2 seconds to disregard those rights, and many years and thousands of pounds for you to challenge it in court – and even then it’s a lottery, especially in light of the Covid legislation, which summarily puts a great many of our established rights in the wood-chipper.

By the time you get satisfaction, you’ve wished away years of your life and all of your money, and the thing you were so concerned about is ancient history.

If you think this reality isn’t true, I don’t know what to tell you.

You’ll be telling me next we should all become freeman on the land.

402701 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Anti_socialist, 37, #40 of 1937 🔗

As a registered nurse I have been required to show that I have either had measles and rubella or have been vaccinated against them. My TB vaccination scar was checked. Hepatitis B was also required. These are to protect me.
The influenza vaccine is not mandated only very strongly advised.
Why is SARS-CoV-2 different?
30% of cases of flu are asymptomatic, but there’s no presumption of infectiousness.

402710 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 14, #41 of 1937 🔗

Exactly that was the old normal, but once covid vaccines become a required ‘qualification ‘ so will every other vaccine.

I don’t hold out much hope for the judiciary or tribunals defending employees! I hope i’m wrong, but of course the only winners will be lawyers.

Its going to be interesting to see unions response to this, they were all for this kind of protection before.

402718 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to p02099003, 35, #42 of 1937 🔗

I think this is exactly where most people are. A vaccine for unique diseases is one thing, so-called vaccines against ever-mutating seasonal viruses that MOST PEOPLE need to get in order to strengthen their immunity is mad!

402742 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to p02099003, 3, #43 of 1937 🔗

I suggest you read “Dissolving Illusions” by Humphries and Bystriacyk

403752 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to cubby, #44 of 1937 🔗

I have it. Very interesting read!
Free on Kindle Unlimited.

402777 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to p02099003, 17, #45 of 1937 🔗

I’m a Registered Nurse nobody has ever checked my Vaccination history or even give a shit about it.That includes 27 years as an NHS Nurse.Me thinks your chatting shit.

402784 ▶▶▶▶ stalfie, replying to Teddy Edward, 14, #46 of 1937 🔗

I was a dentist for 35 years and all my staff with pt contact were required by the NHS to be vaccinated for TB,Hep B , varicella, rubella etc etc and when we had inspections including by CQC had to provide evidence. So the other nurse was not incorrect. Indeed medical and dental students must have Hep B vax and show proof of antibodies before commencing studies.

402845 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Teddy Edward, 7, #47 of 1937 🔗

Hep B in combo with tdap made me very sick. In the aftermath of which I gained enormous amounts of weight. I wonder if one of the reason there are so many obese abs morbidly obese people is vaccines attacking their liver and insulin receptors?

402968 ▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Teddy Edward, 4, #48 of 1937 🔗

My wife had to have the MMR vaccine before starting her nursing training. So it’s certainly not ‘chatting shit’.

402844 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to p02099003, 3, #49 of 1937 🔗

Hep B in combo with tdap made me very sick. In the aftermath of which I gained enormous amounts of weight. I wonder if one of the reason there are so many obese abs morbidly obese people is vaccines attacking their liver and insulin receptors?

403485 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #50 of 1937 🔗

I’m inclined to blame the carb-heavy diet that’s promoted by officialdom but you make a very interesting point.

402863 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to p02099003, 10, #51 of 1937 🔗

My vaccination history was never checked when I worked in the NHS. I also never had the flu vaccine. Holier than thou nurses like you are the reason I left nursing and would now give good slap if they tried to bully and coerce me into accepting treatment I didn’t want.

403685 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to p02099003, 4, #52 of 1937 🔗

Where exactly do you get that figure that 30% of flu cases are asymptomatic. If there’s no symptoms you don’t have the flu. Or, put it another way, I have smallpox but I don’t have symptoms.

403750 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HoMojo, 4, #53 of 1937 🔗

I currently have a very nasty case of asymptomatic dyphtheria, combined with asymptomatic rabies. Soldiering on….

402709 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #54 of 1937 🔗

They need to check the health and safety law. There’s the phrase “reasonably practicable” in the duties placed on an employer. Is a medical procedure reasonably practicable? They also would need to justify that such a procedure was necessary for the job to be performed. The other side of the coin is could their employees refuse to do work for clients who aren’t vaccinated? Pimlico plumbers cannot fix your plumbing unless you’ve been vaccinated?

402754 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to p02099003, 10, #55 of 1937 🔗

Cue for finding another plumber pronto and if they all started playing silly b&ggers – cue for expose articles in the media of “My house ruined because plumbers refused to sort the leak”.

402757 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 32, #56 of 1937 🔗

There are a lot of people that still cling to a naive faith in the system, but how many people would have thought the nation would be put under house arrest for 12 months & forced by state thugs to demand you cover your face with menaces, 2 years ago?

402796 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #57 of 1937 🔗

Me! I’ve been anticipating “Something” for at least a couple of years now and walking round the town I’m now living in wondering just why I had the feeling I would be doing so in pretty darn empty streets at some point. But – yep….most people wouldn’t have thought this possible for sure…

402946 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to p02099003, 2, #58 of 1937 🔗

“their employees” in Pimlico plumbers case that’s a moot point. Charlie Mullins claims they are not employees.

402824 ▶▶ DickieA, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #59 of 1937 🔗

Try joining join the Congregation of Universal Wisdom and pleading an exemption due to religious beliefs. That should open up a nice can of worms…….

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/14/science/worship-optional-joining-a-church-to-avoid-vaccines.html

403587 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to DickieA, 2, #60 of 1937 🔗

I am a member of The Pagan Federation, doe’s that count? as paganism is a recognised religion in the UK.

402871 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #61 of 1937 🔗

In the same way they can say “bosses can legally demand that staff wear clown suits under health and safety laws”. First you need to prove that it actually works, then you can claim you must do it. Cause, let me tell you, i think clothes contribute a lot to carrying this virus, so i’m going to demand that all staff come in as naked as possible. I’m sure no one will object to that.

402950 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #62 of 1937 🔗

People have to stand up and say NO! We have the power, we also have the numbers. Don’t be afraid to speak out.

Cowardice never gets you anywhere but trodden on!

403045 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #63 of 1937 🔗

This whole nonsense is simply because they are not allowed to ‘market’ these vaccines, so have to keep them in the public eye in order to maintain/influence acceptance. It’ll be loads of overpaid pr shills leaning on their journo contacts to keep this sort of story at the forefront in the meeja.

402655 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 48, #64 of 1937 🔗
402690 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 26, #65 of 1937 🔗

Not called the “Filth” for nothing, and the MSM too.

403495 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #66 of 1937 🔗

There is no ‘policing by consent’ any longer. The police are behaving as though they were East German Stasi officers.

Looking at the posted video, it is naked aggression by the police against someone for no other reason than that they can be violent and confrontational and get away with it.

To then see the scumbag officer, for that is what he is, scum, attack the man again, push him to the floor, then pull him and push him up against a wall and throttle him.

At no point did I see the man retaliate, only back away from the violent assault he was being subjected to – his treatment was not ‘proportionate’ on any level.

A female officer then arrives, and starts to throw her not inconsiderable weight around, telling everyone to ‘back off’, rather than restrain her erstwhile colleague in assaulting a member of the public. In the background sirens can be heard.

So, in short, the repressive forces of coercion had a total of three officers on hand, plus others arriving to ‘contain’ a situation that they caused attempting to stop someone from making and selling coffee.

A free country and liberal democracy, I don’t think so. You’ll only find either in a children’s fairy tale these days. But as bookshops are closed, you can’t even do that.

403650 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Gtec, 11, #67 of 1937 🔗

It’s worth pointing out that the cafe owner is not a native Briton. I don’t know where he’s from, but I suspect it’s a country where the inhabitants recognise totalitarian government when they see it.

I won’t say any more as it’s probably sub judice , but my guess is the police and council have been screaming at each other to do something about this because people are simply ignoring them . I suspect it was this that caused the PC to kick off.

403768 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cranmer, 5, #68 of 1937 🔗

The PC looked pretty young. He obviously lost his self-control and his colleagues made no attempt to temper the assault.
Notice also, however, that Luc looks quite relaxed and is grinning at the end of the video clip.

403785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #69 of 1937 🔗

.

403996 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Cranmer, 3, #70 of 1937 🔗

I think Polish. A link has already been posted here today to a new interview with him .

404341 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Gtec, 6, #71 of 1937 🔗

This is a foretaste of the lack of Liberal democracy that awaits us.

I suspect the majority of citizens in the United Fascist Kingdom would defend the policeman, saying that he should have cooled off but the guy without the mask deserved it.

In just a few years time they will be picking up sceptics and beating the shit out of them. Then they will shoot kids in the head if they do not wear masks. These are the goons of fascism. Fascism is here.

404336 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #72 of 1937 🔗

Surely opening a cafe is not an arrestable offence in England now?

402657 stewart, replying to stewart, 242, #73 of 1937 🔗

Can you be a lockdown sceptic and not question the vaccines?

It seems to me the high profile lockdown scepticism is shrinking itself down to arguing that the costs of lockdowns outweigh the benefits. It’s the one argument that is still made with confidence while other issues relating to the dangers of the virus are addressed with more caution and doubt.

And one can forget about seeing any arguments against the vaccines.

But, does the evidence clearly show that lockdowns are effective? Does the data show that the death rate we are experiencing is beyond anything our generation has experienced before? Are hospitalisations higher than anything we’ve ever seen? Has the sceptical position on these issues been dented by the weight of evidence and strength of arguments of lockdown advocates? Hardly.

The problem is that sceptics who want to remain “respectable” are falling into a trap. The vaccine trap.

The establishment has succeeded in drawing a line in the sand with regards to vaccinations. Anyone who questions in any way, shape or form, the value of vaccines is instantly considered to be not only beyond the pale and a fringe conspiracist but an outright danger to society.

Even pushing back this idea is basically taboo.

Sceptics who wish to remain respectable like Toby or JHB must therefore combine their scepticism with enthusiastic endorsement of the vaccine programme.

The problem is that if you support the government’s vaccine programme, you are undermining most of the arguments against lockdown. You are in effect conceding that there is an unprecedented high risk posed by the virus. You are accepting that vaccines are the key to ending lockdowns. Because otherwise, what would be the sense in such an enormous and risky vaccine programme?

And this is where respectable sceptics let themselves down. How can you be a credible sceptic when you don’t criticise and question a vaccine programme with so many obvious problems?

Anyone with a smidgen of critical thought knows that:

– The coronavirus vaccines have been rolled out with less testing and less knowledge about their safety and efficacy than previous vaccines.

– Vaccine manufacturers do not know how long the effects of the vaccines last or whether they reduce transmission in any way.

– No one has a clue whether the vaccines will be effective against new mutations of the virus.

– People who have been infected are being encouraged to take the vaccine, which makes no sense.

– They expect everyone to be vaccinated on the grounds of creating herd immunity even though they openly admit they have no clue whether vaccines reduce transmission.

– Governments are scrambling to produce studies to find out the efficacy of the vaccines only after millions have already been vaccinated.

– Governments openly admit there are still questions about the efficacy of the vaccines but at the same time will have you believe there is no question whatsoever about the safety of the vaccines.

The only intellectually honest defence of the coronavirus vaccines is that it is not an entirely irrational option for those who greatly fear the coronavirus. That’s it.

Cheering the total number of people vaccinated, getting swept up in the jingoistic pride of being the country with the most vaccinations, even half heartedly praising the government for its expediency with vaccine roll outs, none of it fits well in a critical mind.

You can’t blame the high profile sceptics though. They are human like the rest of us. If we can all be intimidated into wearing masks, complying with arbitrary house arrests, trashing our livelihoods on command and all the rest of it, then journalists can be forgiven for selectively suspending their critical thought to protect their reputations.

But let’s not pretend the vaccine programme is not highly questionable. Let’s not deny that debate about the coronavirus vaccines is being shut down by intimidation and brute force. And let’s accept that defending the vaccine programmes is intellectually fraudulent and self defeating for opponents of lockdowns.

402659 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to stewart, 105, #74 of 1937 🔗

I know 6 people who have had vaccines. 5 tested positive to CV19 in the 10 subsequent days, one (my father) has got very sever psoriasis for the first time in his life. The dermatologist he went too (Central lond) told him it is a side affect and over 50% of the people he is seeing have vaccine related conditions.
Foolish reliance on the Vaccine Solution is going to end in more repression.

402680 ▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Niborxof, 1, #75 of 1937 🔗

Everyone I know who’s had it is absolutely fine.

402691 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #76 of 1937 🔗

So far

403268 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to jonathan Palmer, #77 of 1937 🔗

Thanks for the good wishes.

404566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, #78 of 1937 🔗

yes but isn’t there quite a lot of different vaccines? Doesn’t the Russian one, for example, reputedly have certain advantages (much to the disgust of some in the media, no doubt)?

402692 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 49, #79 of 1937 🔗

Including Mrs FP and your’s truly.
But if people do not want the jab ,they shouldn’t be forced to.
This is totally wrong on several levels.

403312 ▶▶▶▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #80 of 1937 🔗

Agreed.

402717 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #81 of 1937 🔗

but which vaccine have they had? I suspect there are differences in the incidence of side effects. Which one did they have?

402746 ▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #82 of 1937 🔗

How many would that be?

402747 ▶▶▶▶ Marg, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #83 of 1937 🔗

Mixed – two fine, one with very severe symptoms of CV couldn’t do anything. Another blackout at wheel of car, told underlying heart conditions, despite having yearly medicals for their work. ECG never detected any heart problems. So 50% small numbers in my circle have had the jab – so not scientific.

402761 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 16, #84 of 1937 🔗

Nobody I know has had covid let alone die from it!

403272 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #85 of 1937 🔗

I know a lot of people who have ‘had it’ [or so they were told) and it was just a cold

402795 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #86 of 1937 🔗

Forgive the double negative but testing positive and/or getting CV 19 does not mean you are not fine.

404543 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Niborxof, 1, #87 of 1937 🔗

Being paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you.

402882 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #88 of 1937 🔗

not the issue is it?

402889 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #89 of 1937 🔗

Irrelevant and non-scientific. On this site we like data!

402913 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 24, #90 of 1937 🔗

Everyone I know who has had the vaccine is a lockdownista. None of them were fine before they had the jab. The vaccines will not prevent Covid or cure stupid, it seems.

The next round of trials will end in 2023, all those brave enough to have volunteered for these experimental vaccines can report back then, if they can.

402919 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 53, #91 of 1937 🔗

That’s good for them, I’m pleased for them. They exercised their free choice to get the vaccine. All we ask is that people who don’t want it are also allowed to exercise their free choice to refuse.

402999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Poppy, 24, #92 of 1937 🔗

I can’t go along with you. Virtually all of those who have vaccinated so far, are people who will not have given informed consent. The vaccinated will also not have been told that there is only very limited information regarding the efficacy and safety of the potentially dangerous experimental biological agents that are about to be injected into their bodies. They should also have been informed that they are entering into the trials of a hardly tested unproven medication and that they will be effectively unpaid guinea pigs, with no claim against the vaccine makers or injectors. Those that then proceed will be likely be only the stupid or the suicidal.

403267 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 15, #93 of 1937 🔗

I think they’re being duped, as the inmates of auschwitz were duped into thinking they were just going to take a shower. but I would concede that while you can shout a warning as you see someone stepping in front of a bus, you can’t stop them if they’re determined to do it, you can’t break the trance that they’re acting under

403806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #94 of 1937 🔗

Duped is a good word for it.

403809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #95 of 1937 🔗

They’re being duped, that’s a given.

All vaccines are necessarily unsafe, according to the US Supreme Court. However, the experimental and hardly tested liability free biological agents, now being touted as Covid vaccines, have taken this lack of safety to a whole new level. Indeed, the glaringly obvious dearth of the normal trials should have been a warning for all of us to stay well clear, but no and almost unbelievably, millions have already thrown caution to the wind, in baring their arms for these suspect products. All this, even as these untested agents scythe through the hapless residents of “care” homes.

No doubt then, that the endless propaganda from an utterly corrupt Big Pharma and the thoroughly squalid UK government has done the trick, keeping all normal common sense at bay. This mindless risk taking for vaccines, which don’t claim to halt or even reduce transmission of an infection, that has a survival rate of around 99.98%. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

403253 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #96 of 1937 🔗

for now

403618 ▶▶▶▶ jcd, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #97 of 1937 🔗

Three people that I know have been ill enough to take to their beds for a couple of days after having the Oxford vaccine.

402756 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Niborxof, 24, #98 of 1937 🔗

FWIW, I know of several people who’ve had it. One has had severe pain since; all day long, making sleep hard, always waking him up at about 4am. The others report no issues.
meanwhile, i know dozens who’ve had PCR positive results. Large minority asymptomatic – the rest all recovered after a few days of flu-like symptoms or less. Last group includes me and my wife in February last year without confirmatory test.
Vast majority are maskurbators, covidians, NHS worshippers. About 10% are sane skeptics.

402764 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Niborxof, 44, #99 of 1937 🔗

Bob Moran tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1358514241070891010

My godmother is in hospital recovering from a heart attack. She is 79 with no history of heart problems. She’s extremely fit and healthy for her age.

She had been feeling extremely unwell for the past 5 days.

She had the vaccine 5 days ago.

Thank you for all the kind replies to this.
She (his Godmother) very sadly died today.
She was a wonderful person with an indomitable spirit and a brilliant sense of humour.

I loved her dearly.

402834 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 4, #100 of 1937 🔗

So many stories on his thread from others saying similar

403066 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Basileus, 3, #101 of 1937 🔗

So sad. May she rest in peace

403120 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basileus, 8, #102 of 1937 🔗

You and others will be interested to see this report of the deaths of three young and, seemingly, healthy medics in Italy from heart attacks after being vaccinated.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/45-year-old-italian-doctor-in-the-prime-of-life-and-in-perfect-health-drops-dead-after-the-pfizer-mrna-covid-shot-39-year-old-nurse-42-year-old-surgical-technician-also-dead/

403057 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Niborxof, 3, #103 of 1937 🔗

Was it the Pfizer one I wonder

404144 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #104 of 1937 🔗

Bill Gates is behind all the western vaccines in use as of now. None of them will be safe.

404446 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Rowan, #105 of 1937 🔗

and hes behind all the GMOS h e is evil personified

404542 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Niborxof, #106 of 1937 🔗

A deserved round ton ✔️

402661 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stewart, 27, #107 of 1937 🔗

How can you justify a vaccine for a disease that doesn’t officially exist? If you can’t isolate it or purify it how can you identify it.

Koch’s postulates , say no more.

402677 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #108 of 1937 🔗

Yes exactly. There is definitely something fishy going on or else why this massive dash to try and get everyone inoculated???

402715 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Janette, 40, #109 of 1937 🔗

The vaccine is the gateway drug to totalitarianism.It will lead to a digital passport despite the protestations of the vaccine minister yesterday..Businesses will do the dirty work for them.

402759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to jonathan Palmer, 19, #110 of 1937 🔗

This is so glaringly obvious to those of us not in the NLP-induced trance.

403296 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Janette, 22, #111 of 1937 🔗

my late father was involved 30 years ago in a long-running project to develop a vaccine for the common cold – a coronavirus. they didn’t succeed. in 40 years, there is still no AIDS vaccine, yet the brainwashed idiots who hang on every word of the government and the msm have no trouble believing that within 6 months of the ‘Pandemic’ movie being role-played across the world, hey presto! a miracle vaccine is conjured up out of nowhere. it seems they have been working on this genetic engineering technology for decades, but never tried it on human beings before. all the rats etc they experimented on in connection with it over the past decades died (according to Dolores Cahill) which is why it never got as far as humans. now suddenly everyone on the planet is expected to take it, over as short a time period as possible. go figure.

404185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #112 of 1937 🔗

Yes it doesn’t look good. Talk of vaccine passports is a ruse to get us to comply with their vaccination plans. The vaccines are about population reduction, much more than anything else.

404175 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Janette, 9, #113 of 1937 🔗

The vaccines are the main part of the depopulation plan. Some of those now vaccinated will die early, but most will die painfully over the next year or so.

It is crucial for the depopulators and their dullard collaborators in government, that everyone is vaccinated, as a pool of unvaccinated people, who are stubbornly refusing to die, would give their dirty game away. Vaccine refuseniks like myself, will come under great pressure to conform in the coming months, but they will have to tie me down first.

402758 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #114 of 1937 🔗

You can’t. This is a variation of gaslight manipulation.

404570 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #115 of 1937 🔗

Back in Spring, they were cacking it because they had reason to believe it originated from a lab in Wuhan containing some possibly quite dangerous viruses etc. Things snowballed from there, and they couldn’t draw back even after it was found to be less dangerous than feared.
What was that film about someone who dodged a bus fare, and things quickly got out of hand causing him all manner of bother? A similar thing, but for real.

402687 ▶▶ Alci, replying to stewart, 34, #116 of 1937 🔗

There was an interesting document shared by Bob Moran on Twitter yesterday, regarding increased deaths in care homes following vaccines. It took the form of a letter from a group of UK doctors requesting that more research is done to understand why this is happening. It should be getting more attention.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf

402766 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Alci, 3, #117 of 1937 🔗

Yes, I am tweeting it all over the place.

402707 ▶▶ TJN, replying to stewart, 34, #118 of 1937 🔗

The wariness in the daily posts about discussing vaccine safety, ethics and other issues is becoming very noticeable.

402741 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to TJN, 8, #119 of 1937 🔗

That’s a charitable way of puttimg it.

402760 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to TJN, 7, #120 of 1937 🔗

Agreed. I’ve lost faith.

402779 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to stewart, 31, #121 of 1937 🔗

Don’t forget:
-this virus is not lethal for most of the population
-lockdowns cause more harm than good
-lockdowns don’t achieve anything but pushing the problem into the future and delay herd immunity
-shield the vulnerable and dependent on where you are in the vaccine debate these are the people who should receive a vaccine, just like the flu vaccine.

We should concentrate on working out how we can prevent this mass hysteria in the future.
I gather Sweden has a law which prevents governments from using lockdowns as a measure.

402862 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MFvH, #122 of 1937 🔗

They had that sorted out recently. I believe the passed an act allowing for enforced lockdowns rather than advisory

402964 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to MFvH, 1, #123 of 1937 🔗

As Michael P. Senger reports on Twitter, WHO came to the same realization: https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1358534093890224128

402794 ▶▶ cubby, replying to stewart, 47, #124 of 1937 🔗

Anyone who wants to understand vaccines should first read about their history. The book “Dissolving Illusions” by Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk is a must read. Vaccines have always relied on the mendacity and avarice of medical professionals and the Pharma industry for their sales success in the face of evidence against them. The public has always been resistant. Mandated vaccination against smallpox was at its highest level in 1870 until a huge worldwide outbreak in 1871 killed mostly the vaccinated! It still took 40 years until penalties for non compliance were removed from UK law.
Polio underwent a similar level of propaganda regarding its prevalence and lethality as we are now seeing regarding Covid 19. It’s decline started well before the introduction of a vaccine. It is argued that today polio in India and Africa is mostly vaccine induced – indeed the Indian government threw Bill Gates’ GAVI out of the country for this reason. (He’s back in….)
Early last year I heard Judy Mikovits claim that there is not an effective vaccine against respiratory disease! This did rather shock me. Hasn’t she heard of BCGs and TB? I googled this and found the WHO webpage on TB. Paragraph 3: BCG does not prevent TB! It reduces secondary symptoms. WTF???
I was already sceptical regarding the evidence and efficacy of ‘flu vaccines. The information around it seemed more like propaganda. The Covid propaganda, however, has taken on a whole new dimension.
The experimental vaccine must be resisted. This is going to be bigger than lockdowns, people. We cannot even rely on statistics to help us. Previously, underlying conditions had nothing to do with Covid deaths. Now, deaths after vaccination are ONLY down to underlying conditions. This means that even if there are a large number of vaccine deaths – and let’s be clear we are talking of a fatality rate of maybe 0.6%, comparable to the number of ‘flu deaths annually – this will be put down to a “new variant”.
Read the book.

403847 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to cubby, 1, #125 of 1937 🔗

Free on Kindle Unlimited.

402825 ▶▶ alw, replying to stewart, 6, #126 of 1937 🔗

“Re: Urgent warning re Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the elderly and Care Homes
In our Open Letter of 23 November 2020, addressed to the MHRA, JCVI and Matt Hancocki, we outlined our concerns of potential public health risks from a mass roll-out of the Covid-19 vaccines because of only limited short-term safety data and no long-term safety data”

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf

402853 ▶▶ rubber duck, replying to stewart, 17, #127 of 1937 🔗

Hi Stewart, thank you for your post, it is a brilliant analysis and I completely agree with you. I feel a presonal threat when reading about vaccine enthusiasm and debates about mandating it/making your life impossible if you disagree and I have been feeling a touch of betrayal from LS lately. They seem to have chosen the path of not questioning the narrative, which goes against what this blog used to be only a few weeks ago. It’s a let down for me and I can’t believe how many intelligent people seem to be unable to debate against absurdities. Anyway, when I was trying to figure out how to reply to you, I accidentally flagged your post so someone might read it after all!

402892 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to rubber duck, 29, #128 of 1937 🔗

I must admit that I only reluctantly came on here, assuming for some time that it was a meeting point to collect objectors together to quietly mutter but not achieve much. To sort of quarantine objections and thinking. If so it has failed and Toby Young is never getting that knighthood, no matter how much he signals through the pages of this blog. It seems to me that he has been chosen for a fate far more elevated than being part of this Country’s broken legislature. Something as simple and primary as preserving free speech, is the first line of true defence of yourself and other human beings. It transcends all forms of thinking and governance. It is truly noble. And if he gets this right, his legacy and that of others who have risked so much to speak freely will endure well past any left by any of the current protagonists. Their intense mediocrity tells you quite how irrelevant they are in the grand scheme of things.

Now I have joined, I see such good discourse and sensible discussion of masks, lockdown and education in combination with a liberal attitude to free speech which actually altered my thinking and discourse too. I hadn’t realised the extent to which I’d been minding my Ps&Qs in order to not offend, thus diluting the power of my own thinking. I can now tolerate much more tension between the person and the quality of their argument. I’m now awake to the reality that using people’s differences to filter out good discourse is to deprive and endanger yourself.

Sinead Murphy’s piece on Sridhar really couldn’t have appeared at a more timely moment. “Young girl” is alive and well but markedly absent in these comments. So yes, let’s see more discussion of vaccines. Its a huge moral responsibility that mustn’t be ignored, even more so now we understand the extent to which “Young girl” has corrupted and obscured the discussion of efficacy and safety of traditional vaccines. And now it’s being deployed to suppress discussion if mRNA.

402948 ▶▶▶▶ rubber duck, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #129 of 1937 🔗

I agree with your comments on Toby, I was very surprised by his want of a knighthood and I hope that vanity won’t get the best of him! Maybe we should send him this thread to restore his energy and motivation.

403074 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to rubber duck, 7, #130 of 1937 🔗

Don’t forget, the 77th Brigade will be lurking on here, steering debate back towards the main narrative. I have to question the motives of some ‘people’ on here. It appears that this site may have always been about ‘herding’ the sceptics together, keeping them from making actual, real world changes, until the final solution – gene therapies masking as vaccines – can be brought to the fore. Obviously just my opinion.

403067 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to stewart, 15, #131 of 1937 🔗

I’m afraid I think that whoever is really behind this vaccine push knows very well what they are going to do, – and it has nothing whatsoever with halting the spread of any seasonal respiratory virus

403139 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to stewart, 3, #132 of 1937 🔗

Very well said. You have expressed perfectly what has been on my mind.

403172 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to stewart, 2, #133 of 1937 🔗

one of many reasons i wont get the vaccine is that it is genetcially engineered courtesy of the same guy who has foisted GMOS around the world with monsanto think w e all know his name .besides which ive never had a flu vaccine, i know many others[mostly strangers i pick up conversations with now ] who feel the same way about flu vaccines and this one too.

but also because from the beginning well after one week or so think back in march ,iv’e thought and said come on people stop being wimps it’s a bad cold !

403216 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to stewart, 3, #134 of 1937 🔗

i agree and very well said stewart i wish i could write as well and clearly as you and think as clearly too!

404351 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stewart, 4, #135 of 1937 🔗

Even if there were absolutely no concerns with the ‘vaccine’, it is absolutely outrageous that someone could consider themselves in the sceptic camp and be okay with the fact society is being held to hostage at the point of a syringe.

402658 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 103, #136 of 1937 🔗

It seems the Great Barrington Declaration people have had their account suspended on Facebook. Oxford, Harvard, Stamford profs censored for essentially suggesting the same policy Sweden has successfully implemented. Indeed it was the government’s own plan before its cowardly craven foolish reversal. The tyranny is not hyperbole.

402665 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Niborxof, 81, #137 of 1937 🔗

Covid19 is a horrendous contagion, in the same family as identity politics, cancel culture & censorship. Its ecological function is realpolitik, its all a combined power grab, to destroy freedoms & inalienable rights and the only way it can infect you is through socialism.

I know this upsets socialists especially the Marxist variety but socialism is the neoliberal trojan horse than can establish totalitarian technocracy for the elite. Socialism is the opposite of self reliance, independence & freedom, the one thing that socialists desire is greater dependence on government, & psychopathic globalists have latched on to that ideology to manipulate their way to power. Conservative Christian culture is the road block to their destination, sadly they are already halfway there.

Communism is the evil that has given us covid19 and all its draconian diktats, don’t believe me ask China! That’s our future, each country run as a corporate entity lead by self prescribed elite CEO’s governed by NGOs (world bank, WEF, IMF, UN etc). China is the neo-liberal role model & blueprint for the future of our country. We are at war and we don’t even know it (or at least many wont accept it). This is nothing more than empire building, globalism in reality is just reinvented colonialism. Slavery has and always will be the neo-liberal way. We have been indoctrinated in to social rituals & socially engineered to invest in control through consumption. I do find it ironic that people wish to return to the old normal where the old normal is where the neo-liberal rules based order set its roots.

This is nothing new its happened over & over again in history, starting with the concept of royalty & the likes of the enclosures act of the 1600s etc. The hypocritical policies of the liberal left are straight out of the medieval period, with its witch hunts & all. Personally I just want to live life quietly, work when i need. eat what i choose, say what i think, live where i want & in whatever i fell like, decide what i put in my body & who i see & keep company with, in privacy without being snooped on by paranoid rulers. Its called freedom!

402763 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #138 of 1937 🔗

Brilliant post

402806 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #139 of 1937 🔗

The slow march into communism by the public began the moment it was manipulated to accept the concept of government from ‘cradle to grave’. I always found it a very sinister phrase, and, now the consequences of it, are being fully bared out.

403058 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jinks, 8, #140 of 1937 🔗

the welfare state, superficially appealing, was always a horrendous idea, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and the NHS is one of its most horrific manifestations. there was never any such thing as free cheese -except in a mousetrap.

402812 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #141 of 1937 🔗

No one heeded the warnings from Yuri Bezmenov back in 1984.

402875 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #142 of 1937 🔗

Yes, but you are describing fascism not communism, everyone subservient to the corporate state.

403044 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to peyrole, 10, #143 of 1937 🔗

I think they both meet round the back somewhere!

403679 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peyrole, 3, #144 of 1937 🔗

I never called china communist they did.

402682 ▶▶ NorthumbrianNomad, replying to Niborxof, 18, #145 of 1937 🔗

Fack Facebook. Anyone who relies on that platform for their information deserves everything they get.

402696 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 11, #146 of 1937 🔗

Platform for attention seekers, exhibitionists and inadequates.
Facebook that is.

403692 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 3, #147 of 1937 🔗

Faecebook is what I call it.

402802 ▶▶ iane, replying to Niborxof, 5, #148 of 1937 🔗

Ah yes, that well-known source for news, Fakebook!

403086 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Niborxof, 3, #149 of 1937 🔗

That is terrible to hear. I don’t do faceache but many do and take note of what is on there.

403927 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #150 of 1937 🔗

I use it to post anti-mockdown stuff, articles proving masks don’t work etc.

402662 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 75, #151 of 1937 🔗

I had a chat yesterday with a lady whose GP surgery is ringing her regularly about the vaccine. She has a history of bad reactions to medicines so has decided not to take one. She has told the surgery that but they keep ringing and are trying to convince her.
I told her that next time they ring to say that she has made her decision and that is final. Any more calls and she will move to another practice.
There must be a lot of people out there under serious pressure from surgeries. I was appalled. This is totally unacceptable.

402664 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to Ed Phillips, 32, #152 of 1937 🔗

I am reading this book: Dissolving Illusions – Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk.

It charts the not so glorious history of vaccines through history.

They are not in any way a panacea.

This vaccine hysteria is another disaster in the making.

402942 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Stephensceptic, 6, #153 of 1937 🔗

Everyone needs to read this book!

402697 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Ed Phillips, 57, #154 of 1937 🔗

My 82 year old mum is being harassed by surgery and friends (she won’t lie) to get the jab. She’s healthy and lives alone in the countryside. Other than coming to stay with us fairly regularly (also isolated & rural) she doesn’t see anyone.

I think the maths for deciding on the vaccine is wrong: it’s your chance of catching the disease (i.e. prevalence) x the risk of the disease itself, vs. the chance of side effects of the vaccine. You have to take prevalence into account.

And since mum is unlikely to come into contact with the disease this season, and given poor data on elderly uptake etc, I’ve advised her not to bother. She agrees.

402704 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Alci, 49, #155 of 1937 🔗

She should just to say them “come back to me in a few years after the safety trials have been completed” and then I will have a think about it..

403374 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Alci, 12, #156 of 1937 🔗

Good analysis. I was thinking along the same lines, with some numbers purely for purpose of illustration: supposing my chances of catching covid are 1 in 10 (currently will be a lot lower since there are no events to go to), and suppose that if I have it, the chances of it being quite bad are also 1 in 10. Then my overall chances of getting covid badly are 1 in 100. And, supposing my chances of a bad reaction to the vaccine are 1 in 50, then if I definitely get the vaccine my overall chances of getting a bad reaction are also 1 in 50. How bad is bad, and the nature of the bad effects, is not being considered here. But on these broad considerations the rational decision is not to get the vaccine.

404166 ▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to Edward, 4, #157 of 1937 🔗

Exactly this, yes.

This calculation just doesn’t seem to have registered with any other friends or relatives, all of whom are urging mum to get jabbed. Fortunately she’s never cared about following the crowd (like mum like daughter!) and understands simple maths logic.

402769 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ed Phillips, 23, #158 of 1937 🔗

Still waiting to see if I get that phonecall (due soon – as I’m late 60’s and so next group in line here). Decided to say “No” and, if they push it they will get “I said NO” for a second response and, if they’re still pushing they will get that assertiveness training Broken Record technique of me just repeating “No – I won’t be” umpteen times (might even sing it to liven things up – “No, no, no, no, no, no, no – NO,NO, NO, NO, NO, NO – No no – no no” etc ad infinitum and then one of us will slam the phone down (don’t know whether that would be them or me LOL). Any further calls – and I just cut the phone off on them. If need be – my phone stays off the hook for the duration and I just tell my friends to leave messages for me on ansafone and I’ll phone them back. Blessings of having an old-style plug-in landline phone…

402810 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ElizaP, 13, #159 of 1937 🔗

just treat them as you would Jehovah’s witnesses, ‘not today thank you’ said as you slam the door or hang up the phone. do not engage with them.

402861 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #160 of 1937 🔗

Or tell them you’re a JW!

402925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to kh1485, 9, #161 of 1937 🔗

Now that is a plan so cunning if it had ears and a tail it would be a fox!!

402965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Dominich, 9, #162 of 1937 🔗

Yeah – start calling them back repeatedly – to try and save them.

Anything Corona’s Witnesses can do, Jehovah’s can do better.

My apologies to any Jehovah’s Witness reading this. I don’t mean any offence.

403729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to rockoman, 8, #163 of 1937 🔗

I’m half Jehovah’s Witness, half Quaker.
I knock on people’s doors but don’t say anything.

404158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Cranmer, 2, #164 of 1937 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣

403005 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #165 of 1937 🔗

I think you should engage with them, for as long as you can, at their expense, ask them to explain the excess deaths that have happened since vaccinations started – or the 3% serious adverse reactions in America – or why the vaccine is needed when there are excellent treatments (HCQ and IVM) available -or- why vaccinate when the recovery rate is 99%+ …

You will not be talking to the doc or nurse, but you may plant a seed of enquiry.

402878 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 7, #166 of 1937 🔗

That’s why I’m so glad I haven’t gotten around to registering with a GP and perhaps I will make this permanent.

404052 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #167 of 1937 🔗

The last time I went to a GP (about 11 years ago), twice within a year because of broken arm and wasp allergy, I got sent to A&E each time. I have no respect for them.

402775 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #168 of 1937 🔗

Surprised at this.
I received one call from my surgery, told them I wouldn’t take up their kind offer and they said “OK I’ll put you down as ‘declined'”. End of.

402791 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to BTLnewbie, 9, #169 of 1937 🔗

I’m guessing that you got someone that was “just doing their job” – ie in the proper/Normal sort of way. But there will be surgeries etc where the person making the call is a Lockdown Zealot personally and sees a grand chance to have a go at the person they are calling and will try and bully them in any way they can manage (eg by repeated phonecalls).

402927 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to ElizaP, 8, #170 of 1937 🔗

And all that money they are being paid to vaccine people. The more people the more money.

402857 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to BTLnewbie, 20, #171 of 1937 🔗

I got a call and was put down as declined. I did get a followup call a week or so later (from a doctor?) who asked why I had declined. I said I didn’t have to give reasons. He said he was trying to help. In the end he said he would put it in the notes so hopefully will not hear any more. I think it is best not to get into any discussion regarding why you are not taking it. Just say no.

403969 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stevie, 4, #172 of 1937 🔗

You have a right to remain silent ……

402978 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #173 of 1937 🔗

That’s what happened to AlanG too. MW

403403 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #174 of 1937 🔗

It’s how the NHS treat the elderly: With contempt and a good dose of bullying and harassment.

402667 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 168, #175 of 1937 🔗

Unacceptable, LS! Utterly unacceptable! We are not here for “vaccine watch” (the “South African strain” is BS… there are thousands of “strains”), nor are we interested in this preposterous notion being pushed that businesses can adopt a “no jab, no job” policy. They CANNOT. End of.

What SHOULD have been your headline today was “Mike Yeadon, original critic of Lockdown policy, is bullied off Twitter”.

We have all seen the heartbreaking message that Mike sent to Robin Monotti. Both of them are HEROES of this community. Brave professionals who stood up and told the truth. All these people deserve a bit more support here. Stop bleating about vaccines and start reporting on the attacks on “Lockdown Sceptics”.

Not cool. Not cool AT ALL.

402673 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 94, #176 of 1937 🔗

Agreed. Three cheers for Yeadon, and lasting gratitude for what he has already done.
Star witness at Nuremberg 2.

402681 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Annie, 20, #177 of 1937 🔗

Hear hear

402728 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 58, #178 of 1937 🔗

Yeadon is a hero, and will walk tall and vindicated when his attackers have suck into a cesspit of shame and derision.

Either that or we’re done for.

God damn that lot.

402772 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 3, #179 of 1937 🔗

Yep.

402684 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #180 of 1937 🔗

I have assumed that the fact that Mike Yeadon has been cancelled is the very reason why this is not featured in the newsletter. I am surprised and pleased that this site is still here and I assume that the dull mainstream headlines are there as a front to deflect the critics.

404556 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #181 of 1937 🔗

could very well be[at least hope so ] and this way we still get to read and write in comments

402721 ▶▶ TJN, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #182 of 1937 🔗

I regret to say it, but I agree.

This is about far more than lockdowns now.

402744 ▶▶ jb12, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #183 of 1937 🔗

What did Yeadon send to Monotti?

402799 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jb12, 25, #184 of 1937 🔗

Look at Julia HB’s twitter. It’s all over that. A screenshot of a WhatsApp message. I don’t agree with half of what JHB has to say on other issues but on this one she had been relentless, rational, fearless and fierce! She will not stop grilling ministers. She will not stop demanding all our freedoms are returned. She will not stop. She’s a warrior.

402778 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #185 of 1937 🔗

Yes indeed brave men who stepped forward and spoke out against the wave, (pun intended) of public opinion, when it was needed, these are the people that deserve medals & hero status (if you believe in that stuff) not profesional murderers & old propagandists.

404551 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #186 of 1937 🔗

hear hear

402669 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 53, #187 of 1937 🔗

The Conservative Woman has an article by John Petley applying the story of the emperor’s new clothes to the contemporary situation. This is an apposite reference to the dynamics of mass delusion. Mr Petley points out that the boy’s explicit recognition is met with denunciation by those in authority, but ends the story with enough of the people seeing the truth.

And this is apparently how most people construe the tale of the emperor’s new clothes, which is ironic, for that is not how the story ends. As the final paragraph makes perfectly clear, although it is an embarrassing problem for the emperor to have so many see he is naked, nevertheless he and his noblemen carry on as though he is magnificently attired.

The Emperor shivered, for he suspected they were right. But he thought, “This procession has got to go on.” So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn’t there at all.

From the outset there have been voices pointing out that the responses to the coronavirus were disproportionate and would cause more harm than the virus ever could. And more and more people have come to see the truth of these critiques. Yet Boris Johnson (the boy who would be World King) and his ministers and experts have proudly carried on with their make believe, and branded any dissent as dangerous misinformation.

The boy is not being hailed as a truth teller, a hero, as one who shatters the collective delusion and brings a return to sanity; he is being ignored and hushed and punished; he is being treated as mad, bad and dangerous; he is being treated as an immoral, subversive threat to society. Even in a fairy tale, Hans Christian Anderson did not dare to go so far as to pretend that merely stating the truth was enough to shatter a collective delusion that was backed by substantial vested interests.

402672 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #188 of 1937 🔗

Quite right. But the way that the story has always been interpreted – as Andersen clearly intended – is that the boy was right, and the emperor and his sycophants were stupid and ridiculous. So I’d stick with the story.

403203 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #189 of 1937 🔗

The truth can only be a appreciated and accepted by those who embraced the lie when they themselves directly experience its consequences.
For 80% of the ‘bought quiet’ population that means only when either people start to die in droves
because of the ‘vaccines’ (and that can’t be covered up anymore), or when the money has run out, which will now most likely happen through hyperinflation and a subsequent currency reform and its ensuing partial asset confiscation (Lastenausgleich, wealth tax etc.) and depression.
And even then, most people won’t be able to admit that they were wrong.

402670 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #190 of 1937 🔗

More food for the independent public inquiry:

‘……. shortly after the first case of Covid was detected in a care home on March 31st, Singapore’s Ministry of Health moved around 3,000 nursing home employees into hotels to isolate them from the wider community, and tested all 9,000 nursing-home staff. Positive tests were followed by contact tracing and quarantine. Those measures were in addition to a month-long ban on visitation, safe-distancing in all homes, and zoning. Singapore has reported only three Covid-related care-home deaths, compared with estimates of 25,000 Covid-related deaths in the UK.’ Singapore above

What is that sound….like a balloon deflating at speed?

Oh….it’s the wind coming out of the windbags who claimed that shielding could not be effective, effected.

402725 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #191 of 1937 🔗

Fair enough, but don’t hold up Singapore as a model of right social conduct. It’s a repressive authoritarian society.

402819 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Annie, 2, #192 of 1937 🔗

I have been to Singapore on a number of occasions, and I have spoken to Singaporeans about their country, so there is absolutely no danger of me holding it up ‘ as a model of right social conduct’, whatever that may be (is objectivity on such a matter even possible?).

As Singaporean clinicians themselves point out:

“On a practical note, implementing these isolation measures met with little resistance, which may be a result of the collectivistic culture of Asian societies,” they wrote. “However, applying such a strategy in countries with an individualistic culture (where individual freedom is more highly valued) or in less economically developed nations may be more difficult.”

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-singapore-managed-covid-19-outbreaks-foreign-workers

402947 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Annie, 2, #193 of 1937 🔗

A bit like the UK?

403111 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Tim Bidie, #194 of 1937 🔗

Forcibly removing nursing home employees to hotels away from their family, their children etc. Yeah that’s an example we want to follow…

403522 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Stevey, 2, #195 of 1937 🔗

That’s exactly the sound I was referring to…….

On a practical note, implementing these isolation measures met with little resistance…’ (Reference above)

Whereas we preferred to forcibly isolate our students and prevent them from going home to their families.

Consider it possible that at least some dedicated staff saw it as part of their duty, as in Japan:

‘…..manager Takao Furusawa says he owes a huge debt of gratitude to staff members who have basically put their own lives on hold so they don’t bring the virus in.

“They have hardly been anywhere else except here, and just commute between their homes and work,” he said. “They have taken their responsibility very seriously. That’s humbling to me.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-coronavirus-elderly-death-rate/2020/08/29/f30f3ca8-e2da-11ea-82d8-5e55d47e90ca_story.html

404008 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, #196 of 1937 🔗

Some careworkers in the UK did exactly that too – voluntarily.

402671 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 58, #197 of 1937 🔗

In case you missed it yesterday:

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.

Gandhi

Write it out. Stick it on the fridge. Let it be your hope and inspiration. They are fighting us now.

402720 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #198 of 1937 🔗

Gandhi (and his followers) ultimately won by flooding the legal system with fines/cases
to the point where the bureaucracy buckled

402723 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 33, #199 of 1937 🔗

Every I go out, I am fighting them. In my heart and brain and mind and soul I am fighting them all the time.

402776 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 5, #200 of 1937 🔗

Oh yes – with you on that one. No surrender!

402770 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #201 of 1937 🔗

Well said. We carry on fighting because that’s the only way we will prevail.

402674 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 84, #202 of 1937 🔗

I can’t believe the situation we now find ourselves in. Just sitting here, helpless, as the greatest and most ethically depraved medical experiment ever on the human race just motors on unopposed. LS increasingly won’t touch the subject of Covid vaccine adverse reactions or deaths possibly out of fear of being labelled as an “anti-vaxxer” site by the likes of the mendacious Neil O’Brein MP. I watched a few minutes of the Reform Party’s new YouTube show, and switched it off when it became a love-in for the vaccines (and even suggested that they give you good levels of immunity which is just a total lie). Lockdown scepticism is clearly more mainstream these days, but there is hardly an appetite to challenge the growing dangers of these very suspect jabs.

No wonder Dr Vernon Coleman broke down in his last video (I would encourage all to see it on Brand New Tube). This is a man who has seen his character and reputation destroyed for going against the juggernaut that is Big Pharma. He knows how evil this whole operation is. And yet, he’s just like the rest of us.

Helpless.

402722 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Scotty87, 22, #203 of 1937 🔗

You are NOT helpless. Don’t be gas lit! Keep writing to your MP and members of the House of Lords. Keep it up. It’s a war of attrition!

402727 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #204 of 1937 🔗

Definitely. Follow the Mastermind cue: “I’ve started, so I’ll finish”

402780 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #205 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely. It is a war of attrition indeed. I’ve been on the end of a personal war of attrition that went on for years at one point in my life – and this does feel the same (only on a Society-wide scale). They are trying to break our will.

402912 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #206 of 1937 🔗

Agreed. We are getting through. We must fight this war to the end. Helpless? We don’t need to be.

403082 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #207 of 1937 🔗

Agree. It is even more incumbent upon us, below the line, to keep sharing evidence, links and support.

402678 Tim Bidie, 6, #208 of 1937 🔗

More for the Public Inquiry. More on Singapore, the major outbreaks were amongst immigrant workers living in cramped accommodation.

by early August, more than 94% of Singapore’s 53,000-plus cases were observed in foreign workers living in dormitories at the time.’

But it wasn’t much of a problem. Why? The workers were all young and physically active.

Patients were generally young, with no severe symptoms, no serious comorbid conditions..’

‘Just 136 (3.6%) patients were transferred to a general hospital in the first month. Of them, 1 required intensive care’

And a pragmatic approach to PCR testing:

“It has been demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 is probably not viable after the second week of illness, despite the persistence of RNA detected on polymerase chain reaction assay,”

Lessons learned?……Oh, they had already learned them? Why hadn’t we?

‘“Isolation facilities can be created rapidly to care for patients without serious adverse outcomes,”

‘“If we contained the disease by hospitalizing patients with COVID-19, as was the strategy adopted in Singapore during the 2003 SARS outbreak, the nation’s health care infrastructure would have been rapidly overwhelmed,”

https://www.contagionlive.com/view/how-singapore-managed-covid-19-outbreaks-foreign-workers

402685 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 49, #209 of 1937 🔗

WAKEY! WAKEY!

straw poll: Do you believe all these laws/changes/proposed ‘solutions’ have anything at all to do with a ‘virus’ as deadly as flu to the majority of the country?

‘jabs for jobs’ or ‘vaccine passports’ or stopping pubs from operating or collusion between govt advisors and MPs are all about your health?

The lockdowns are driving down birth rates, causing as many deaths as Corona, stealing freedoms, causing economic depression and saddling our great grandchildren with untold levels of debt.

Every day I find myself trying to find how this CAN’T have been planned in some way. After all, the great UN Agendas 21/2030 will use the above as further fuel to their totalitarian wet dreams.

WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!

Think of your posterity for once. Your country existing literally depends on it.

402688 SallyM, 14, #211 of 1937 🔗

Reuters reported in September that “ Singapore sticks rigidly to the WHO’s case definition for classifying COVID-19 deaths. It does not include non-pneumonia fatalities like those caused by blood or heart issues among COVID-19 patients in its official tally.” The WHO case definition requires that a Covid-19 death be from a clinically relevant condition.

 If true this would at least partly explain the very low mortality there.

402689 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #212 of 1937 🔗

For all those SARS CoV 2 predictive models that fail to factor in T-Cell immunity:

The temporal association of functional SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell appearance with reduced length of infection suggests that T cells play an essential role in the control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.’

So junk those models immediately and start again, with some brand new coding:

”….the role of such peptide cross-reactive cells is puzzling and calls for a more detailed analysis of the effect of pre-existing immunity in the control or pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection’

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)00041-3#%20

Because pre-existing immunity is, intuitively, blindingly obvious looking at covid 19 incidence or lack of it in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and correlating with the earlier SARS outbreak of 2003:

In addition to Beijing, other affected areas in China include Guangdong Province, Hong Kong SAR, Shanxi Province, and Taiwan Province. Toronto, Singapore, and Hanoi are also listed as affected.’

https://www.who.int/csr/sarsarchive/2003_04_12/en/

402699 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #213 of 1937 🔗

If there is widespread immunity to SARS in east Asia then the incidence of SARS must have been greatly underreported and its lethality must be greatly overestimated.

402711 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to SallyM, 8, #214 of 1937 🔗

Bang on!

And we were told that on 06 February 2020!

By a highly respected coronavirus expert in China at the time of the outbreak, Prof. John Nicholls, Univ. of Hong Kong

‘What is probably right is that just as with SARS there’s probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested. The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’

402716 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SallyM, 11, #215 of 1937 🔗

I’ve always suspected Sars Cov1 didn’t just “disappear”
It simply fell out of the news cycle when it became a cold

402693 TheBigman, replying to TheBigman, 34, #216 of 1937 🔗

I have an idea on ‘no jab, no job’.

Firstly, many jobs are becoming obsolete and will be automated. So where is the need for this… Soon it will be ‘no jab, no ability to buy/sell/eat’ without the mark of the beast as it were. This will happen when the govt eventually rolls out its own crypto currency.

SECONDLY!

Where could you realistically go with this? Let’s say someone gets in to power and then declares (rightly as it happens) that HIV is a pandemic or at least epidemic within the UK. What could they now legally impose on the population? No one has sex without permission? The high risk groups are to be isolated so it cannot spread and/or forced to take experimental vaccines.
I somehow don’t think the LGBT brigade would be happy and as they are a lobby group desperate for power these restrictions probably not happen in such a case. Which leads me to point three.

THIRDLY!

The only way any of this is possible is because the UK ‘adults’ have become soft, PlayStation playing, soy drinking depressed individuals. So when a cause comes along that they can jump on for their temporary boost to their low serotonin they will virtue signal to the hilt while simultaneously thinking they are somehow anti-establishment.

Point is if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.

402708 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to TheBigman, 14, #217 of 1937 🔗

“Point is if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything.”

GREAT QUOTE!

402712 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 14, #219 of 1937 🔗

Unfortunately our present Government can only hold one thought in it’s mind and that word is vaccine. Apparently Hancock has based his policy on a viewing of the film Contagion, so it must be right.
It is scandalous that treatment options have been sidelined when it has been apparent that there were existing treatment possibilities let alone new ones that could have done much to treat anyone suffering from serious Covid.
There was talk of Ivermectin being used in India, do we know if that is what happened?

402855 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #220 of 1937 🔗

HCQ and zinc are the preferred option in india. They make a lot of the world’s HCQ.

402890 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to peyrole, 4, #221 of 1937 🔗

I came across something on Twitter where they distributed packs of Vitamin supplements plus zinc and HCQ which are cheap.

Not to mention that social distancing and masking is pretty much non-existent.

402698 Cecil B, 14, #222 of 1937 🔗

Trust me I’m the Vaccine Minister

402703 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 11, #223 of 1937 🔗

Just reading the ongoing discussions between Toby and Christopher Snowdon.

They focus on Sweden and the death rates in recent years. When you analyse the figures adjusted for the increase in age and population, 2020 had 101.3% x the death rate in 2017, 102.87% that in 2019 and 108.74% in 2019. It was clearly 2019 that was the outlier – 2020 was pretty close to normal !

402705 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Laurence, 2, #224 of 1937 🔗

sorry, the first 2019 should read 2018

402706 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 26, #225 of 1937 🔗

So it’s official then – there are people in the Government that would like a “No jab no job” policy. Boy am I glad I’m retired!! I do hope the Government doesn’t land up as leading discriminator against those of us that make our own choices on that one – and our choice is not to have the vax. Would anyone like to speculate just what proportion of the workforce will stick to “My body = my choice” and have already made the choice not to have the vax? I am just so thankful that I am retired – because I wouldn’t have the jab no matter what. I’m guessing that if those members of the Government that want to force a policy like that on people succeed that they’ve not anticipated just how many unfair dismissals on the one hand and Lockdown suicides amongst working age group people on the other hand there would be. If the Govt. hawks on that one get their way – that will give one heck of a Green Light to others to discriminate in that way and we’ll have Vax Apartheid across society in a huge range of different respects. If employers get official sanction to discriminate – then lots of others would copy them and we will have that Apartheid. Now who is going to set up the first music/booze speakeasy in my area?

403022 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to ElizaP, #226 of 1937 🔗

If vaccination is effective, then for international travel as a ‘passport’ it would be valid like a yellow fever certificate. The emphasis is on ‘if.’ And it has to prevent transmission too.

402713 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 55, #227 of 1937 🔗

The “debate” on the issue of mandatory vaccinations for employment and travel is a way of embedding the assumption that the so called vaccines are a public heath measure and that it is necessary for individuals to be vaccinated in order to protect others. This assumption is false.

A vaccine is a clinical measure. A vaccine is a substance that includes an attenuated form of the causative agent (in this case that would be the coronavirus) which enables the individual’s immune system to develop defences, thus conferring immunity from the disease. A vaccine protects the vaccinated individual; it does not protect anyone else. Thus, the vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated.

However, the so called vaccines are not vaccines. First, none of them include the causative agent (the coronavirus), which even now has still to be isolated and cultured. The so called vaccines were developed by using the genetic code for the virus that China provided the World Health Organisation. Second, none of them confer immunity. Even the developers only claim their products reduce the severity of the symptoms.

The “debate” ignores these facts and instead focuses on whether or not it would be proportionate to require people to have to take the vaccine in order to protect others. The framing of the “debate” in this way ensures that fundamental questions about what the products actually are, how safe they are, what they actually do and do not do, are suppressed. This framing takes for granted the idea that the products are safe and effective vaccines. In Logic 101 this is called begging the question. In propaganda 101 it is called a master stroke.

402729 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #228 of 1937 🔗

Fascists – Covidiot cult members in this case – don’t debate. They dehumanise (anti-vaxxer, anti-science, you are stupid). They use force (mandatory jabs, no job, no travel). They threaten violence (you are a public health risk, off to a camp).

The ‘science’ would say the opposite of the Covidiot Fascists. There is no science to vaxxing the entire pop (does not stop transmission) and no science to rushing unproven chemical ingestions. None.

402719 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 49, #229 of 1937 🔗

My lockdown boredom and frustration is leading to limerick writing. Here’s today’s offering.

Our government’s playing a trick,
They’re pretending we might all get sick,
We should stay in our homes,
Quake in fear all alone,
‘Til our freedom is earned with a prick.

403346 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 7, #230 of 1937 🔗

From all the data that we’ve been collectin’
Covid’s weaker than we were expectin’
So let’s forget these vaccines
That could impact on our genes
And just give all the sick, Ivermectin

404151 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #231 of 1937 🔗

Love it!

402724 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 23, #232 of 1937 🔗

50% of the population will not take the vaxx poison. So will they issue yellow stars for our jackets? Perhaps we need to shave our hair as well?

No proof exists that flu vaxx’s help more than a small minority. None.

A flu vaxx is not the same as a rabies or smallpox vaxx. No relationship, don’t conflate.
mRNA is untried, untested, unproven to do anything. It might reduce symptoms, no proof exists that it does much of anything.

Vaxx injury rates in the US are running at about 1 % or greater than those dying from CV 19. No Fake News interest in this of course.

Flu vaxx’s do not stop transmissions. No proof of that exists.

Flu vaxx’s are unnecessary unless you are over 70 and/or have a poor immune system. No science exists supporting the notion that healthy, under 60s need a vaxx. None.

So why the rush to Vaxx the entire world?
None of it is based on science.

402735 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to FerdIII, 29, #233 of 1937 🔗

So why the rush to Vaxx the entire world?
None of it is based on science.
It seems to me that the ludicrous vaccination policy is there to justify the ludicrous over-reaction to the virus in the first place. And the rush is to do this before the virus disappears quite naturally as do all viruses in the end.

402739 ▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 9, #234 of 1937 🔗

I’ll wear my star with pride.

402767 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to stewart, #235 of 1937 🔗

Even when the zombies start spitting at you in the street?

402793 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #236 of 1937 🔗

From six feet away? Through face knickers?

402803 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Annie, 7, #237 of 1937 🔗

Yeah, I didn’t think that through did I?

402805 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to FerdIII, 3, #238 of 1937 🔗

Just working to the agenda.

There will be no mandates, but your credit score, based on your behaviour, will control what you are allowed to do; buy food, travel on the bus, travel on the train, order stuff on line.

402726 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 132, #239 of 1937 🔗

‘No jab, no job’ is not legal. There are no ifs, buts, or maybes about it. A coercive medical procedure without informed consent is contrary to Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, and Articles 8 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Moreover, in domestic law, a medical procedure without informed consent is a criminal offence and a civil tort – it is assault on both counts, as well as potential clinical negligence on the latter if harm or loss arises from the procedure.

Never before has anyone in this country been required to have a medical procedure in order to exercise their right to work to provide food and shelter for themselves and their families. There are diseases far worse that Covid-19 and the public does not require a vaccine for them before being able to work. A ‘risk assessment’ is complete bilge – by its very definition, a vaccine protects the person who has had it from infection, therefore they don’t need to worry about the unvaccinated. Protection from catching what is a mild disease for the vast majority has never before been included in any workplace risk assessment, to my knowledge, plus it works both ways: if the HR department is going to start shuffling papers and clicking pens over ‘risk assessments’, then the employer will also need to do a risk assessment on the risks and benefits of vaccinating the employee.

And no, being coerced into having an unlicensed, emergency treatment for a disease that has little to no adverse health outcomes for those under 50 (and the odds above that age are still overwhelmingly in our favour) is NOT the same as being required to have a safe vaccine for a much more dangerous disease e.g. yellow fever, before travelling from a country where that disease is not endemic to a country where it is.

‘No jab, no job’ is utterly hysterical and flies in the face of medical ethics to even entertain the prospect of coercing someone to have a medical procedure without taking into account his or her individual medical needs and whether it would be a net benefit. It sets an incredibly dangerous precedent for other compulsory or coerced medical treatments for the abstract and meaningless ‘greater good’. I can see compulsory sterilisation happening in the name of ‘overpopulation’ and ‘climate change’, or if not that, then very draconian one-child policies like those seen in 20th century China. This all sounds completely mad now, but if I told you in 2019 that the entire country would be banned from seeing loved ones, going to work, shopping and socialising, and going to school, for a disease that very clearly only adversely affects a specific demographic, rather than directing protection and resources at shielding that demographic, would you have believed me?

Lockdown zealots call us selfish for speaking out against the inhumane treatment of lockdowns, but then expect us to relinquish control of our own bodies to the state just to keep them ‘safe’. There is nothing so exquisitely selfish as that.

402730 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 23, #240 of 1937 🔗

Poppy, I hope you are putting your brilliant writing skills to use and being paid for it. Please DM me if not…

404562 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #241 of 1937 🔗

you are both brilliant writers so are annie and many more more like everyone here aside from me!

402732 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Poppy, 24, #242 of 1937 🔗

Once the state owns your body via socialised NHS government controlled, tax funded health care, the rest follows. Everything then is linked to a public ‘health issue’. This is one reason (amongst many) why socialised health care is immoral and dangerous. You have given up your body to the state. Now they can make any rule they wish.

402743 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Poppy, 24, #243 of 1937 🔗

I’m generally pretty pessimistic about all things covid, but I don’t think no jab no work has any legs for a few of reasons but not least because the market for work is a competitive place. Anyone who hires regularly knows it’s not that easy finding good people. Companies that require vaccines are going to be penalising themselves and will ultimately suffer the consequences.

402765 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to stewart, 5, #244 of 1937 🔗

That might be true for say software developers, but surely not for supermarket workers, delivery drivers, etc.

402782 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #245 of 1937 🔗

In my experience, it’s hard to find good people for pretty much any position.
Not hard to find people to sign up for the work, but hard to find those who will do the work well for the amount of pay available.

Maybe big corporations have it a bit easier.

But look at the NHS, who frequently complain about unfilled posts. And care homes, you think they find it easy to find people to do that work? Just off the cuff examples.

402788 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 11, #246 of 1937 🔗

Sometimes its not the question of filling posts but the quality of people hired. Where I work, I can easily pinpoint enough people who should never have been hired in the first place.

402789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #247 of 1937 🔗

That’s pretty much my point.

402781 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 9, #248 of 1937 🔗

Agree. Given that many companies already struggle to hire and maintain good workers (as their reputation precedes them), mandating no jab no job will make their position even harder as sensible people would rather go on the dole or take on a badly paying job than to work with them.

402785 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 7, #249 of 1937 🔗

Agree. And of course I don’t think they have factored in what happens if an employee develops adverse side effects ex. Bell’s Palsy that renders them unfit to work. Will they sack them? Because the employee can have a strong case for unfair dismissal and having put their lives at risk for having forced them to take a vaccine at the risk of losing their job.

402790 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 27, #250 of 1937 🔗

a lovely piece of writing, but first I grew tired of ‘facts’, now I’m tired of ‘arguments’ ….. I am now convinced that we are dealing with such an unspeakable evil that these instruments of gentlemanly conflict resolution are completely out of place in responding to them: it’s like pissing into the wind. they lie and cheat and manipulate both in any case. I don’t know what the right response is. What does it say in the Bible? ‘resist not evil’ – I feel that’s the answer, although I do not really understand it.

403361 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, #251 of 1937 🔗

Gove [ril]: ‘… the laws are mine, not thine: Who can arraign me for’t?’

402731 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #252 of 1937 🔗

Just had a news message ping on my phone.’keep Faith with the Oxford vaccine’ says minister.
Just about sums it up

402736 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #253 of 1937 🔗

The Priest has spoken

402737 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, #254 of 1937 🔗

An opportunity to school him/her on the vaccine death spike.

402762 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to jonathan Palmer, #255 of 1937 🔗

The news message ping on my phone yesterday was about asexuality. Breaking news, huh.

403006 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to jonathan Palmer, #256 of 1937 🔗

The New Normal – faith, not evidence.

402733 Annie, replying to Annie, 13, #257 of 1937 🔗

I just had this vision that Ms Zombie went to the jabberwokery and they gave her the AS snake oil and she was given a certificate and allowed to leave the country for a holiday in the Land of the Bong Tree, but when she arrived at the Land of the Bong Tree they wouldn’t let her in because they didn’t recognise the AS snake oil it had to be another brand that was acceptable to the Land of the Bong Teee where they had different mutants. End of story.

402738 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 8, #258 of 1937 🔗

It’s a. good story. And the reason why I remain just a wee bit hopeful about vaccine/immunity passports.

The level of policy and logistics coordination required to pull it off is not something to dismiss so easily.

402864 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to stewart, 3, #259 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely. Even your own GP will have made errors and omissions in your notes. I’ve seen it first hand and was only a major inconvenience, not a danger thankfully. How on earth this could be managed nationally and then negotiated globally just boggles the mind.

402734 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 14, #260 of 1937 🔗

Someone put this link up yesterday.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny Explains How the Depopulation COVID Vaccines Will Start Working in 3-6 Months (ugetube.com)

An interesting strategy is suggested round about the 40 minute mark. The host explains how she has told her family that she will not look after them if they get sick from the vaccination.

402740 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 12, #261 of 1937 🔗

Also in this video it mentions how Hitler made the people think that Jews carried a deadly disease.

Sound familiar?

402787 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #262 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely agree. The phrase “you made your bed, so you lie in it” would definitely be applicable imo.

402842 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ElizaP, 7, #263 of 1937 🔗

That’s just the flip side of ‘if you decline the jab then you don’t deserve any medical treatment in future’. If we only care about people who agree with us in every way then all is lost.

402859 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #264 of 1937 🔗

Agree wholeheartedly, Charlie. We have to consider the coercion and fear if the vaccinated get ill. We should not turn our backs.

402933 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #265 of 1937 🔗

Not quite the same as being one’s brother’s keeper. If they choose to walk off the cliff in large numbers after having been warned, there will be little that you can do anyway.

Their foolhardiness will reinforce the status of our jailers and make it even more difficult to us to recover our freedoms.

402745 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #266 of 1937 🔗

Today the G paper (apologies can’t write or say the full word) and the BBC have gone after the Queen

A story so obviously planted by the dictatorship that a fully educated five year old could spot it (Alas, FEFYO’s not longer exist)

Anyway, they are trying to blackmail Madge. Is she breaking ranks?

402811 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 1, #267 of 1937 🔗

What are they saying about or to her, Cecil? I don’t have the stomach to look at BBC or Graun so a synopsis would be gratefully received.

402827 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to WasSteph, 3, #268 of 1937 🔗

A story about her trying to influence the introduction a law about the disclosure of her wealth 50 years ago

The message is simple. Step out of line and we have lots more dirt we can chuck at you

403019 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #269 of 1937 🔗

A regular aspect of conspiracy theorists has been the purpose of the Bank of England Nominees company, which the G reckons was the vehicle to hide “her” wealth.

The conspiracy theorists maintain that this company means that the Bank of England is privately owned. Quite why a private company would own the level of UK government debt which may be defaulted on is beyond me.

403501 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #270 of 1937 🔗

Ah, but you see, everyone believes it isn’t privately owned, so don’t appreciate, that actually, all the nations could default on their debts, and then take control of their own currency, backed by sovereign wealth, and not pay the banks to print money into existence, who then charge to us, the interest on it, by way of inflation and hidden taxes.

402753 Caramel, 4, #271 of 1937 🔗

Article in the BMJ which I didn’t finish reading because it annoyed me too much. A couple of good responses in the comments worth reading though. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n314/rapid-responses

402755 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #272 of 1937 🔗

Mr Snowdon’s response is distinguished only by the distinctive sound of iron doors clanging shut: a closed mind.

He cannot conceive of a world of nuance and complexity

For example, the seasonality of SARS CoV 2

‘….societal changes over the past centuries with industrial revolutions that relocated outdoor agricultural workplaces into indoor factories and offices, while moving human lifestyle away from nature and outdoor climate. In the context of urbanization, a consistent thermal comfort zone could be maintained indoors, causing even further disconnection from daily and seasonal outdoor climate fluctuations. Nonetheless, it is important to address the current questions related to seasonality of HCoV in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. The apparent seasonality of HCoV across the globe suggests that this phenomenon might be mined to produce improved understanding of transmission of COVID-19 and improve public health intervention.’

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/7/11/ofaa443/5929649

‘Societal changes…urbanisation…..’ Obvious stuff really

And the problem with a closed mind? It misses opportunities:

‘apparent seasonality…..mined to produce improved understanding’

That is why Mr Young is well on the way to becoming a National Treasure, a great deal more illustrious than one of those tawdry, increasingly sordid, peerages, and Mr Snowdon is, well,………errrr……….not……..

402816 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #273 of 1937 🔗

Snowdon’s reaction is no different to the zombies who have shut their eyes, ears and brain. They can’t deal with nuance only soundbites. A friend is still convinced that children can spread Covid despite all the scientific papers and evidence from countries like Sweden and Belarus.

That’s the sort of mindset we’re dealing with day in day out. As I’ve said I’ve give up as trying to reason with this lot is like trying to get blood out of a stone.

402768 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #274 of 1937 🔗

The BBC is not referred to as the State Broadcaster for nothing

The punching policeman of Manchester does not feature anywhere on the BBC News website today. It is like it never happened

The Manchester region page carries a story about a nobody by the name of Jackie Weaver who met someone from Strictly (Isn’t Strictly in Yorkshire? Should they be travelling?)

402773 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Cecil B, 10, #275 of 1937 🔗

What’s not reported is always more telling..

402915 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #276 of 1937 🔗

Too busy noncing

404565 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, #277 of 1937 🔗

And poncing.

402771 Basileus, 14, #278 of 1937 🔗

Graham Hutchinson tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/GRHutchinson/status/1358661702028570626

Dear Prime Minister,

The Battle of Britain saved this country. “…so much owed, by so many, to so few.” We, the new few, are climbing into our cockpits, our engines are firing up, and we are ready for battle.

In times of war Britain has unified as a Nation and its Government been wholly supported by its loyal people, both at home and abroad. The disunity we have in our fight against Covid harms everyone.

Conflict has resulted because information from Government and media contradicts scientific evidence. To end this conflict requires action which I, and many others, are jointly prepared to take irrespective of our viewpoint.

We call on you to end vaccination of the frail, sick, and vulnerable. Data indicates death is occurring in this group as a direct consequence. We refuse to stand by while that happens. You must engage the precautionary principle and stop.

Respectfully,

402783 NickR, replying to NickR, 8, #279 of 1937 🔗

If the South Africa & Brazilian variants are such a threat why didn’t they increase more rapidly & why are the receding so fast in South Africa & Brazil?

402887 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, 5, #280 of 1937 🔗

The Govt are lying their way through this?

402786 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #281 of 1937 🔗

The Quisling Spectator today advocating the permanent closure of pubs

Please do not purchase this garbage

402801 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 4, #282 of 1937 🔗

Alcohol is their next target according to Devi Shridar.

402910 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 3, #283 of 1937 🔗

Except in the House of Commons bar
served by pre pubescent children in muzzles no doubt

404131 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, -1, #284 of 1937 🔗

Nowt to do with health, for many that would be their sexual preference ….

402846 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 1, #285 of 1937 🔗

Do you mean the William Atkinson article? The one that says nothing of the sort?

402917 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, #286 of 1937 🔗

They won’t need to.When we finally emerge from lockdown how many will be left.

402792 Kaffirharbin, replying to Kaffirharbin, 10, #287 of 1937 🔗

I’ve been following the ongoing debate between Toby and Chris Snowdon.

It may be that the rebuttals and counter-rebuttals are reaching a natural end-point, but one thing that jumped out at me from Snowdon’s evidence seemed worthy of more attention.

What staggered me most was the claim that the average loss of life per Covid victim was 10 years. Where on earth does he get that from? I seem to remember one serious estimate was 2-4 months! Given that even the majority of octogenarians actually survive Covid, surely it is the most frail generally who are succumbing (at the average age of 82). Is Snowdon (and Imperial College for that matter?) telling us that these frail octogenarians who died of Covid would on average have otherwise lived to 92? Just common sense tells you that’s ludicrous.

Am I missing something?

402800 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Kaffirharbin, 3, #288 of 1937 🔗

The bottom line, as they say, is that those who test positive for Covid live a year longer on average than those who don’t.

402814 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kaffirharbin, 4, #289 of 1937 🔗

there was a paper that calculated 10 years. but it was a very bad paper that assumed deaths were of average people (within the age/underlying health cohort). its was pure propaganda

402841 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, 6, #290 of 1937 🔗

Hmm… I wonder what the average shortening of life has been for everyone who has overeaten, overdrunk, been stressed/angry/anxious, lost their livelihoods, not done enough exercise, been stuck indoors with stale air etc…

402843 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 1, #291 of 1937 🔗

It wasn’t just bad it was totally ridiculous wasn’t it. I remember reading the paper and spotting the flaw in a few minutes. And yet they just asserted in a throwaway line in the paper that making that absurd assumption was reasonable.

In terms of how many extra years an average person dying of covid (from or labelled with covid), would have lived if covid had never made its way out into the world; it’s hard to say.

A conservative estimate to avoid understatement of the figure would be perhaps 1 year. Others have said perhaps 6 months.

You have to ask why the age standardised mortality in August 2020 was the lowest ever recorded in England (it certainly is for the past 20 years where I have seen data) at a time that normal medical care was difficult to access if significant years of life were lost.

And you can even argue that covid has increased the life expectancy of those who have encountered the virus, and fought it off. It may have given them some cross-immunity against the next coronavirus that comes along perhaps when their immune system isn’t quite as good but their T cell memory of SARS-C0V-2 remains. But you don’t need to consider that at all to completely demolish the 10 years nonsense.

402815 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Kaffirharbin, 7, #292 of 1937 🔗

They are basing it on avarage age stats. Anyone who gets to 82 yrs alive has a ‘likely’ age at death of 92 yrs. And when you point out to them that the 82 year olds who die at 82 have at least one comorbidity they respond with ‘well everyone at that age does, so what’. It is this statement that is completely untrue and unfounded. If it was true, 82 yr olds would not live to 92 on average. Frail people with comorbidities tend to die when they get respiratory diseases, that always happens and covid is no different to any other respiratory disease it has the same effect, which is why the average age of those dying with it is more or less the same as ‘all causes’ average death rates at any age you look at.
Its impossible to argue with fanatics.

402837 ▶▶ jos, replying to Kaffirharbin, 1, #293 of 1937 🔗

Maybe the 10 years loss of life is actually for the vaccinated and will be a cover in years to come when the population starts dropping.

402797 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #294 of 1937 🔗

Have Bill and Melinda had the jab?

402798 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cecil B, 5, #295 of 1937 🔗

Haha I very much doubt it!

402813 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cecil B, 5, #296 of 1937 🔗

Saline solution – same as all the effete.

402881 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #297 of 1937 🔗

These billionaires can have anything they want except immortality – but they can fund research that could help them live for a long time, will one of them be the first 200 year old human?

And they have a world population to experiment on to achieve their goal, and the funnist thing – they are described as philanthropists.

402804 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #298 of 1937 🔗

Positive cases expanded dramatically during the 2nd lockdown and started dropping before the 3rd lockdown.
These are daily positive test reports.

403387 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, #299 of 1937 🔗

Is that expansion to do with faulty PCR tests, in hospital infections and an increase in mass testing?

402807 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #300 of 1937 🔗

According to the Torygraph, a majority of the Cabinet want this.

“The idea of ‘vaccine passports’ – which would allow employers to insist upon proof of vaccination – have been dismissed by vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi as “discriminatory” and “not how we do things in the UK “.
However, the Telegraph understands that the issue is at the centre of a row in Cabinet, with some ministers arguing in favour of the scheme.
Some Tory MPs fear any such demands from employers could be used to justify demands for proof of inoculation in other circumstances. Allowing firms to discriminate on the grounds of vaccination is hugely sensitive because a disproportionately large percentage of black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) people are against getting jabbed.”

So that’s it then. Only way around being force-jabbed is to become Muslim.

Tempting, very tempting.

Anybody read ‘Submission’? There are other benefits. I’m thinking it would be supremely ironic if an insurrection against this fascism was started in the name of Islam.

402885 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #301 of 1937 🔗

This is a GENIUS idea! “I am a Muslim!” In the vein of I AM SPARTACUS!

402893 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #302 of 1937 🔗

You don’t actually have to become a muslim
Take a leaf out of the Alawites – they just larp as muslims to avoid getting killed
Same can be for jab avoidance

402808 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #303 of 1937 🔗

The Singapore article surely misses the elephant in the room – immunity. The microcosm of Singapore and its neighbours shows countries with varying degrees of lockdown fanaticism. Singapore may well have had an effective track and trace, and low deaths, because they, as their neighbours seem to do, have levels of immunity far beyond the baseline for the West.

The issue now is, the good numbers are credited to the measures and a surveillance state is guaranteed.

Also, this site needs to pick up the no jab no job debate with a bit of noise. Freedom and individual autonomy seems to be the thrust of the arguments against lockdown Toby et al put forward. Well, the gateway to the end of that is mandated vaccination. No fence sitting allowed on this one

402838 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #304 of 1937 🔗

Immunity & humidity.

402869 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #305 of 1937 🔗

Sunshine?

402876 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #306 of 1937 🔗

Is the other elephant in the room how they define a “case” and a “covid death”?

403509 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #307 of 1937 🔗

The Market Ticker was deeply into Singapores successful control of Nosocomial and care home infections, they wrote about it 11 months ago FFS.

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=239747&page=1

With year round high humidity & UV removing 95% of aerosol transfer as a vector, they operated on the assumption it is mainly contact transferred, the same as Norovirus or Polio.
Once they instituted an incredibly rigorous hand washing system in hospitals, they got it under control.
Note proper handwashing, when everybody enters a room, handwash, handwash again when leaving room for next patient etc.

402809 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #308 of 1937 🔗

Sumption’s article. Nothing more to say, really. The whole fiasco in a nut shell. Awaiting the return of leaders with a backbone. Until then, we hold up the country’s fragile future on our aching shoulders. If you feel like giving up… don’t. Just do it for the children. They have been abused beyond belief. Do it for them. We’ve had our lives. Fight so they can reclaim theirs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9231807/Zero-Covid-mirage-says-JONATHAN-SUMPTION-virus-stay.html

402867 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #309 of 1937 🔗

There is no time to lose.

402817 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #310 of 1937 🔗

I’m glad that today’s edition has highlighted that shocking punch in the face by a police officer of a shop owner. Thugs are out of control.

402823 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Londo Mollari, 23, #311 of 1937 🔗

Can there be anyone left in this country – other than the lockdownistas – who respect the police. I haven’t for many, many years and I am law-abiding. . They pick on those who they know will not fight back. Their conduct is a disgrace and they are a disgrace.

402836 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 9, #312 of 1937 🔗

They’re just state thugs threatening decent people to follow government diktat with menaces, they’ve always been this way, the only difference is they’ve just become more political.

402865 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #313 of 1937 🔗

Remind them of their oaths.

They should not be involved in civil proceedings. They should be protecting us.

403148 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #314 of 1937 🔗

Indeed. Pity none of this was on his mind while he was lamping a cafe owner simply trying to earn a living:

I, … of … do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.

402896 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #315 of 1937 🔗

The police have pretty much made themselves unlikable and people have ceased to believe them everytime they use “racism”, “cuts” and “austerity” as an excuse not to do their real jobs. If you look at Twatter the amount of comments calling them out for not going after real crimes is staggering.

The police should wake up and fact to the fact that “Was was only following orders” will not be an acceptable excuse when the day of reckoning comes.

402829 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #316 of 1937 🔗

I always thought Zahawi was a nasty Tory, he’s certainly proving that to be true.

402850 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #317 of 1937 🔗

The Tory Party MPs are now a sub-branch of the Labour Party – so of course he is Nasty!!

402969 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to iane, #318 of 1937 🔗

Or vice versa?

402820 NickR, replying to NickR, 27, #319 of 1937 🔗

Is it just me?

402936 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NickR, #320 of 1937 🔗

Not just you:

403083 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NickR, 1, #321 of 1937 🔗

He is Cane

402821 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #322 of 1937 🔗

What’s happened to LS? The piece below about stammerers and masks is printed with no remarks. Not long ago it would have been heavily suggested that NOT wearing a mask would be perfectly lawful in these circumstances, and moreover what the whole point of ‘exempt’ was. If Toby has been got at let’s know. If he gets that Peerage we WILL know. (TIC – I think)

402826 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #323 of 1937 🔗

Infiltrated by liberals.

402848 ▶▶ Mark, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #324 of 1937 🔗

Interesting that my post to the Forums last Friday, which basically duplicated what I had already put in the comments here about Kate & Luc’s opening up and needing support, has not been approved. First time that’s happened to me (though I don’t use the forums much).

I did wonder if there has been a concern at LS about not being seen to encourage petty lawbreaking (non-compliance with the mask and lockdown regs). During the panickers’ punishing winter offensive, when they successfully turned such weak reeds in the resistance as Snowdon and Hodges, TalkRadio and other centres of dissent clearly received a lot of pressure for supposedly promoting lawbreaking on masks, and doubtless all kinds of alarming legal and “friendly personal” advice will have been given.

There is always a risk of putting two and two together and making five in these situations (though the people involved bring it on themselves by not being open). But there has clearly been a lack of willingness to promote disregarding these regs by high profile antilockdowners such as Toby and Peter Hitchens, which gives the impression of a lack of confidence in their own positions. That said, it’s true that they are not inclined by nature or politics to be lawbreakers. But the groups in the past who have successfully resisted injustice have not been afraid to defy such rules, or at the least to support fully those who do so.

403465 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Mark, 1, #325 of 1937 🔗

Yes. It’s important to stand on one side or the other, visibly. Otherwise conversations like this start, and the seeds of doubt over the rest of the content are sewn. Phase 1 of disinformation.

402858 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #326 of 1937 🔗

There’s no chance of Toby getting a peerage! I do believe that he and his team must be walking on eggshells at this point. Anybody who is still hanging on to a shred of their humanity wouldn’t need it pointing out that this sort of consequence is outrageous and unjustifiable. If they can’t join the dots for themselves then nothing Toby and co say is goign to wake them up.

403456 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Charlie Blue, #327 of 1937 🔗

True enough. Maintaining morale amongst the troops is also important, though.

402822 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 26, #328 of 1937 🔗

While no one here should be that surprised by the creeping “no jab no job” narrative that is creeping in – the “wonderful encore” for the evil davos fascist criminals running this charade will be “no jab no school” for all children. It is coming, there is no end to this f***ing nightmare. We are the 99%.

402832 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 10, #329 of 1937 🔗

I think this is a huge hurdle for these fascists though. We do appear to have a lot of legal protection here (albeit it has been no use so far). I can’t see companies on mass mandating this it would be a complete headache.

I am at least hanging on to this hope.

402851 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #330 of 1937 🔗

The Coronavirus Act has items that may negate many rights because of the “Public Health Emergency”. Taking Children, demolishing properties …

Repeal the Act in its entirety.

402856 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #331 of 1937 🔗

It needs to go but is anyone challenging it now?

402828 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, #332 of 1937 🔗

“He deserved a punch to the face he should have been following the RuLeS”

402886 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #333 of 1937 🔗

Hope he disinfected his hand afterwards, but then again he seems to think it’s OK to wear the mask below his nose so I’m guessing he wasn’t employed for his “smarts”.

402830 alw, replying to alw, 16, #334 of 1937 🔗

Facebook has deleted the page of the Great Barrington Declaration. We have up to now always thought that WW3 would be country to country. It looks like it’s now going to be the people versus the political class and the big tech.

402835 ▶▶ stewart, replying to alw, 9, #335 of 1937 🔗

To me it is more like a war between those who value individual freedom above all else versus those who value the welfare of the group as a whole above the welfare of the individual.

Except not everyone is completely aware that the war is on.

402854 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 4, #336 of 1937 🔗

I think the ‘welfare of the group’ idea is only valid for the ‘foot soldiers’, so to speak. The elites who see themselves as above the group are most certainly only thinking of themselves.

402840 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 3, #337 of 1937 🔗

it was ever thus! All wars are bankers wars!

402907 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #338 of 1937 🔗

It’s been this all along. It’s just they’re now not shy about it.

402831 alw, 4, #339 of 1937 🔗

“I am so sick of modelled data. Cases are already at 50% or less of the levels on 3rd Jan and yet people are modelling that they might be 15% less by 21st March” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1358482859418386434 )

402833 alw, 13, #340 of 1937 🔗

“@ClareCraigPath has been getting a hard time for questioning whether an asymptomatic infection can be a disease. She has a better grasp of the philosophical issue than her critics, which tells us something interesting about the difference between medicine and biology.” (1/7 (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1358450852869062656 )

402847 crimsonpirate, 12, #341 of 1937 🔗

“it would not be a surprise to see a flurry of lawsuits if an employer insists on workers being vaccinated on pain of dismissal”

I guess this was what Lord Falconer was referring to.

402849 Major Panic, 14, #342 of 1937 🔗

discredit safe treatments – protect vaccine profits – kill people

402860 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 18, #343 of 1937 🔗

So vaccines no longer work? Who could have predicted it? Either way, do you think they’ll be too busy daydreaming about all the billions they’re going to make over these new strains, or will anyone bother checking how well HCQ and Ivermectin work?

402866 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 15, #344 of 1937 🔗

Looks like we’re back to relying on the human immune system then. 1 billion years of development compared to 1 year.

402873 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Achilles, 2, #345 of 1937 🔗

1 year? You’re in a generous mood today.

402879 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #346 of 1937 🔗

I’m including the lab that the virus escaped from!

402908 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Achilles, 1, #347 of 1937 🔗

Exactly

402870 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #348 of 1937 🔗

It’s a big pharma shakedown

402874 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cristi.Neagu, -3, #349 of 1937 🔗

Where has that been asserted, Cristi N (apart from the sceptics questioning what ‘work’ means all along, of course)?

403027 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #350 of 1937 🔗

Oh, it’s has been “asserted” in a study only by the University of Oxford and the University of the Witwatersrand… nothing important, i’m sure…

403039 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #351 of 1937 🔗

Okay. Thanks. I know where to look now. I should have used the term ‘reported’. I will try to find the Oxford study that finds that vaccines no longer work – if you have a link that would be much appreciated.

402868 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #352 of 1937 🔗

I’m wondering if people are slowly waking up to the fact that the vaccines are not the salvation that has been touted and are causing more problems than they solve.

Not to mention that the government keep shifting the goalposts.

Or are they still in their propaganda induced wonderland?

402877 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #353 of 1937 🔗

No one’s waking up. They’ve been asleep for decades. Bombs have been going off, children have been raped, and people have been dying, and that didn’t bother them none. Why would this wake anyone up?

402987 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #354 of 1937 🔗

Sadly I agree completely with this.

We’ve been thinking a popular uprising was just around the corner since April, but no… they just turn the pot up one degree every day, and so long as the football is on, and X-Baking-on-Ice continues, no-one gives a fuck.

403037 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AidanR, 3, #355 of 1937 🔗

And don’t forget about their bribe money still being paid into their account and/or their savings and pensions still looking OK.

403035 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #356 of 1937 🔗

Sadly I agree with you.They have been kept happy by bribe money, Netflix and brainwashed by fear. And they don’t like it when there are people going out and about not fearful.

This is pretty much that saying “Never argue with idiots as they will beat you & drag you down to their level” wrought large.

402880 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #357 of 1937 🔗

Still propaganda induced to many people these vaccines are the holy grail. They basically view this vaccine as the same as that to treat polio/ diptheria.

402883 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #358 of 1937 🔗

They basically view this vaccine as the same as that to treat polio

That’s ironic, considering the absolute devastation Bill Gates’ polio vaccine has cause in India and across the globe. 400,000 children left paralyzed after being vaccinated. And experts have had to admit that most polio these days is cause by vaccine derived polio strains.

402888 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #359 of 1937 🔗

It will be amusing to see that realisation slowly dawn on the ones who parrot “I’ve had my vaccine, now I can get back to normal” When they realise that won’t happen any time soon, they will start to harangue those of us who won’t touch the jab with the proverbial – “but you have to have the jab too, so we can all get back to normal”

402895 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 2, #360 of 1937 🔗

Unfortunately, I think you might be right.

402906 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, 15, #361 of 1937 🔗

It really saddens me when my elderly customers come in and are almost jubilant that they have had the jab. Of course, I don’t say anything because I don’t want to offend/upset them. They are well-meaning, decent people who have been fooled by the hysteria and are of a generation who trust that the authorities have their best interests at heart.

402928 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 11, #362 of 1937 🔗

An old boy who lives up the road, had just come back from jab central, when I passed him yesterday. He’d reluctantly had it, in the belief it would open up life for the youngsters.

402981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #363 of 1937 🔗

Heartbreaking.

403040 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #364 of 1937 🔗

Very sad to hear this.

402909 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to kh1485, 14, #365 of 1937 🔗

That’s why they set the threshold so high for “herd immunity”. The criteria wasn’t how many people you need to vaccinate to ensure herd immunity, the criteria was what proportion of the population is necessary to overpower and rule by violence the other proportion.

When the 70% are vaccinated, they will be told that we still can’t go out, and it’s the fault of the 30%, and the 30% must be vaccinated. And the 70% will be furious and will violently force the 30% to vaccinate. Democracy at its best.

402926 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #366 of 1937 🔗

And the 70% will be furious and will violently force the 30% to vaccinate.

From what I’ve seen of this demographic, they can’t be bothered to stir themselves up to anything resembling violence. The police/authorities, that is another matter as we have already seen with the unfortunate cafe owner.

No-one will ever force on me a medical intervention, ever. If I am challenged, I will ask them if they have ever seen this in practice, because I have, and it is horrific.

402918 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to kh1485, 4, #367 of 1937 🔗

Just say you’ve had it then they’ll be forced to demand you wear something on your coat to prove you have and we’ll be back to the 1930s

402989 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to kh1485, #368 of 1937 🔗

Then tell them you’ve had it.

403038 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to AidanR, 3, #369 of 1937 🔗

I won’t be telling them anything.

403031 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #370 of 1937 🔗

Well said. Its like people still whining that there are those who are “selfish” and “not following the rules”

Like the government, they’re constantly adjusting their broken record to make it sound like its our fault.

403371 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #371 of 1937 🔗

I get that here where I live (55+ years housing) most of the Tenants being over 5yrs. I will not wear a mask let alone in the communal areas. A couple of tenants who have seen me in the laundry room have told me I should think of others. Being someone who can’t be bothered with this kind of stupidity and giving a damn about what they think of me, I’ve just ignored them, completely and continued loading my laundry (interesting reactions to being ignored by the way). One tenant took to getting shouty with me about I should think of others. I walked away. Shocked they were.

However, I’ve now had enough of these brainwashed, virtue signalling idiot so have decided to adopt a zero tolerance attitude to anyone, and I mean anyone, who even dares mention it to me again. So, yesterday, one of the Tenants was standing at the bus stop as I was. She said “Have you got a mask”. I said, in a very angry tone, “Afraid that’s none of your business is it?”. Her response: “Well, you’ve got to think of others you know”. My response (and I raised my voice considerably): “Your health is not my problem. I’m done with you brainwashed idiotic sheep. You carry on with your idiocy and ignorance but I’ve got a better life to live. So, shut the hell up with your pathetic virtues and leave me alone”. I was shouting by then. Well, she was truly shocked, dumb struck in fact. She said: “I was only saying because they won’t let you on the bus without a mask”. Me: “Then just stop god damn well saying and keep your rubbish thoughts to yourself. I’m not the least bit interested”.

The tears really started flowing then. I just ignored her. I am a mild mannered person usually and rarely engage in this type of conversation. But, the time has come not for zero covid but for zero tolerance.

402872 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #372 of 1937 🔗

Mexico City.25 million people.Graph perhaps not clear what yellow means seems hospitalized without a test as out patient and then tested and probably same for C-19 deaths?  But curve impressive although the natural seasonal decline will come in end January.
Coincidence? Ivermectin has been given already for parasitic diseases in 1/3 of the worlds population, pretty safe dirt cheap medicine. Good idea? At least nothing to lose in my opinion.

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1358545312550445058

 Since December 29, if you are tested positive in the City of Mexico, you go home with 2x 12mg of ivermectin. The causally pleasing result is this:

402897 ▶▶ davews, replying to swedenborg, #373 of 1937 🔗

The vertical scales aren’t defined. Is this actual numbers, in which case ridiculously low, or per million or whatever?

403198 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to davews, #374 of 1937 🔗

I think the numbers of hospitalisation per day and 7-days average deaths there is a link to original data in the bottom

402884 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #375 of 1937 🔗

If Dr Sherri Tenpenny is correct (and I have no reason to doubt that she isn’t) then the 11 million who have been jabbed are dead people walking

Obviously the dictatorship will ignore her and that 11million will rise exponentially(apologies)

On a purely selfish point how is this going to effect the price of my house? (Thinking sell mine now and pocket the cash as there will be plenty of free unoccupied houses available in the coming years)

Don’t even go there, I have put in a claim on Piers Morgan’s pad. Get back as the police continue to scream

402900 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 5, #376 of 1937 🔗

After watching similar presentations I have been mulling it over. I don’t doubt the information and threat is correct but I really hope they are wrong.

Surely any member of parliament could view this and at least question the ingredients or RNA workings.

p.s. I wouldn’t worry about your house as don’t forget we won’t own anything and we will be happy……. 🙄

402914 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #377 of 1937 🔗

..we will be happy… when will the flick the happy switch to on? Will there be street tea parties?

402935 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stefarm, 4, #378 of 1937 🔗

I believe that are basing it on the fact that in previous vaccine trials of this sort,all the animals have died when exposed to a wild form of the virus,a few months later.

402905 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 10, #379 of 1937 🔗

I don’t know whether Tenpenny is wrong or right. However, she is an anti-vaxxer in the true sense (i.e. all vaccines are bad and unnecessary and should be stopped – and cause autism) so she is starting from a very particular position. She is also an osteopath (not a physician). I have visited an osteopath in the past and they were brilliant but I’m not sure it makes her particularly expert in this debate. I have more confidence in Yeadon, Heneghan, Gupta etc. Of course, she is absolutely entitled to hold and share her opinions, just like everybody else and may be right, but I would need to hear more corroborating views before I gave weight to her contentions.

402923 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 14, #380 of 1937 🔗

I have a gut feel that the vaccines are by and large safe but will cause some adverse reactions in more people than we are used to seeing with previous vaccines. In some cases those adverse reactions will be extremely serious and sometimes fatal.
My gut feel is about as valid as anything else at the moment because we simply don’t have transparency.
I can’t take seriously the views of a total anti-vaxer as I believe in the benefits of a number of the other vaccines we have available to us.
I can’t take seriously the views of PHE or the government because they are clearly pretending there are no adverse effects beyond a bit of an ache and a temperature, which means they are hiding the true statistics.

403043 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Cecil B, 5, #381 of 1937 🔗

As others have said, it may not be as clear cut as “11 million people are dead (wo)men walking”. I am personally preparing myself for seeing many more elderly people die next winter due to complications with new virus variants (flu, Corona, what have you) and the vaccine… and some younger people also experiencing the cytokine storm indicating the ADE resulting from a Coronavirus vaccine. There may be many more who may experience debilitating auto immune problems that are “inexplicable” but not fatal and that will never be linked to vaccines because remember “vaccines are all safe”. I think next winter will be the actual key to the entire Coronavirus story – new variant, new lockdown, new wait for a vaccine…? Will the thickest of skulls by then wake up? Meanwhile MSM selling the deaths as victims to the deadly new variant… you can start writing the headlines now. That’s why it is so important to get media exposure for ADE – hopeless cause I know – and that the vaccines could backfire spectacularly. SeeDr Doug Carrigan’s article “Are Coronavirus vaccines a ticking time
bomb?” And distribute widely. He is not coming from an anti-vaxxer stance but purely science – top US molecular biologist who worked for NASA et al.

402891 Bruce Reynolds, 10, #382 of 1937 🔗

If me and the Bro’s had come across them Manchester pigs it would have been a very different story..

402894 Basics, 3, #383 of 1937 🔗

https://gordondangerfield.com/

In the absence of anything we used to call journalism on the subject independent bloggers and websites are excellently filling the void.

The above blog is a forensic looking at the SNP Scottish Government situation. Possible Scottish independence leaning blog once again picking apart the lies and cover up of out Pandemic Masters in Chief, the untrustable Scottish Civil Service, Scottish Government and Nikkinakkynoo, et al.

Unrelated to the above blog please notice UK Government has given the Scottish Government £8.6Bn of covid coping coffers. It is fair to say most people in Scotland have seen now of it, will they ever?

402898 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #384 of 1937 🔗

I think arguing that “no jab, no work” violates consent laws is a waste of time. It doesn’t violate it. No one is forcing you to vaccinate because no one is forcing you to work there. You can look for employment elsewhere until the virus is gone. Or so they would say.

What must be argued is the idea that one needs a vaccine to begin with. As we’ve seen, due to new strains, the vaccine is more useless than before, so an employer cannot claim you have to do it for health and safety.

402902 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #385 of 1937 🔗

What if you are allergic to the ingredients?

402904 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #386 of 1937 🔗

You should refuse.

402921 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #387 of 1937 🔗

It is an Experimental Biological Agent and not a licenced vaccine. whether or not you are allergic to its ingredients no one knows the long term effects. Check out Dolores Cahill or Dr Simone Gold. Do some research!

402922 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Crystal Decanter, #388 of 1937 🔗

Separate matter, but a valid point. Maybe someone can prove that humans are allergic to the vaccine. This guy made some progress: https://pastebin.com/NZKqVqSZ Would be nice if a health professional would offer their input on that.

402903 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #389 of 1937 🔗

There was even a petition demanded debate over ‘no compulsion’ in Parliament, so how can it be turned into de facto coercion? Pathological liars, much?

402916 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to popo says, 2, #390 of 1937 🔗

The petition was badly worded. The petition demanded that government not impose any kind of discrimination against vaccine status. It said nothing about government permitting or not such discrimination from the private sector.

There is precedent for this. There is no law saying you have to dress a certain way at work, but you can be legally dismissed for not obeying dress codes.

The petition should have demanded that government make it illegal to discriminate based on vaccine status.

402932 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #391 of 1937 🔗

Disability legislation doesn’t allow a company like costco to discriminate against people who don’t wear masks, but they are doing so. It would be like saying we won’t make our premises accessible to the disabled (ramps, closed loop for the hard of hearing etc.) because you can shop online – it’s pure discimination and the law prevents it, but that hasn’t stopped costco – a court case will be required.

402988 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to this is my username, -2, #392 of 1937 🔗

Because the law recognizes discrimination based on disability. It doesn’t recognize discrimination based on vaccine status.

402943 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #393 of 1937 🔗

Vaccines cannot be grouped with PPE. It’s extremely unlikely that wearing a high viz, or a pair of protective goggles is going to put me in a wheelchair.

402951 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to PoshPanic, -3, #394 of 1937 🔗

And what do you think is the likelihood of the vaccine doing that?

403046 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #395 of 1937 🔗

It doesn’t matter says “I don’t employ queers” – they can go and work somewhere else. Where do you draw the line – “I don’t employ Jews”?

403110 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ewan Duffy, #396 of 1937 🔗

Sexual orientation, religion, race, nationality are protected against discrimination by the law. Vaccine status isn’t. That’s why i said a few comments above that the petition against vaccine discrimination was worded badly.

403150 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #397 of 1937 🔗

So why not “vaccine” status?

403160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Ewan Duffy, #398 of 1937 🔗

Ask the government that. The petition that was launched a while ago was badly worded. It demanded that government not impose any kind of discrimination against vaccine status. It said nothing about government permitting or not such discrimination from the private sector. So government was sort of happy to say “we have no plans to discriminate” and be done with it. That not only leaves the private sector open to discrimination, but we all know what government is like when they say they have no plans. They have no plans until they decide they have plans.

403075 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #399 of 1937 🔗

It’s a slippery slope. What happens if somebody catches a cold and a flu at work?

Will they then be able to blame the employer for not doing enough?

All these problems arise because we are treating this virus as if it’s a threat to humanity when really the sensible approach would have been to treat it like a bad cold or flu.

Things could have passed sooner with little fuss but instead we’re now trying to work out how to control it forever.

403124 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #400 of 1937 🔗

It is, indeed. Which means that employers might have an incentive not to declare covid a workplace health and safety issue. That leaves them vulnerable to legal action from their employees as any covid case would be considered a workplace accident.

402899 davews, replying to davews, 15, #401 of 1937 🔗

The girl at the till at Tesco this morning gave me a little card to give feedback online. I did. Plenty of space for comments so let rip….. No doubt they won’t even read them.

403147 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to davews, #402 of 1937 🔗

In fairness to Tesco (in Ireland), they are the only chain store where I have never been challenged about my maskless status. Lidl, Iceland and B&Q all failed on that one.

402901 Rowan, 4, #403 of 1937 🔗

More pro vaccine propaganda.

402911 Basics, 19, #404 of 1937 🔗

Posted late last night. This is horrendous policing – how incapable are the police thugs to esculate to the level of blantant street fighting? All police in attendance need to be sacked in my view, the thug police punching the Polish man in the face needs to be jailed, in my view.

Notice how peaceful the people are under violent attack. Keep in mind these police thugs believer there is a plague on and they are saving lives.

Three Seas Insider (@3SeasInsider) Tweeted:
Is it still the police or already a criminal who attacked a peaceful Polish cafe owner in the UK? #Orwell https://twitter.com/3SeasInsider/status/1358539740258181122?s=20

Video of british police at work. you’ll need to watch a few times to see which one it the cop – hint, its the criminal.

something bad has been going on with police training – they are off the rails across the country.

402920 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #405 of 1937 🔗

If you think it’s bad in Britain… for business reasons I often have to scan US social media. NPR (national public radio… kind of like BBC by voluntary subscription) has literally gone insane. The anti-human propaganda campaign has been turned up to 11. Endless videos about physical distancing – suggesting that to get within 6ft of another human being is GROTESQUE at best and DEADLY at worst. That we should have a pole to PUSH people back. Urging people to DOUBLE MASK, and ensure they get much TIGHTER masks. Constant vaccination pushing… mostly centred on “don’t be scared of the needle” and “don’t listen to friends and family who say it’s unsafe.” It’s deeply disturbing. It’s creepy. It is a direct attack on people. It must stop!!

402931 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #406 of 1937 🔗

US media is a special case because they have to work double time to cover up for Biden’s utter incapability and his unbelievably low approval ratings. They need to frame everything that was going on last year as Trump’s policies and as very harmful, so when more and more people die, they’ll blame it on the previous administration. They’re already doing it.

403505 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #407 of 1937 🔗

Did you see Bidet propped up next to “Doctor” Jill to give his little pep-talk before SuperBowl started? She did most of the talking. He looked as if he was having difficulty staying awake.

402924 Nyarlathotep, 4, #408 of 1937 🔗

About 730 deaths and 8 cases of spontaneous abortion recorded by EUDRA following Pfizer vaccination.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/about-730-deaths-and-8-cases-of-spontaneous-abortion-recorded-by-eudra-following-pfizer-vaccination/

MANY DYING IN ISRAEL FOLLOWING THE EXPERIMENTAL PFIZER COVID MRNA INJECTIONS

https://www.bitchute.com/video/HbPgE0q3D0x2/

402929 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 11, #409 of 1937 🔗

Just a point on modelling. You can’t model something that is unprecedented.

Lockdowns are unprecedented. Any models used to predict the effects are worthless. I fear the results are far worse than anyone – even the ‘great resetters’ – suppose, and are already irreversible.

What arises from this is not going to be ‘build it back better’ or whatever ludicrous slogan they have, the result is going to be a collapse of unprecedented proportions and possibly even war – something so dangerous in the nuclear age it should never have been contemplated. Nor would it have been, had not politicians given up actual thinking in favour of a ludicrous trust in mathematics. Maths is a tool of science – it is not itself science.

Russia and China – possibly India too – are going to come out of this relatively well – the west is going to be a smoking crater, figuratively if not literally.

402938 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #410 of 1937 🔗

You can model the unprecedented. They do that all the time. What you can’t do is pretend like the model you make is completely accurate. You need to understand the assumptions you’re making in order to determine the likely error in your model.

A model is a tool, just like a hammer. You can hammer in a nail blindfolded, but you have to understand that holding the nail with your fingers is not a good idea.

402957 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #411 of 1937 🔗

Don’t want to start an argument, but you can’t. You need to base the model on something. Assumptions alone are not a proper model, this is the whole problem.

Look, I can easily model say the life of an electronic component or the profitability of a new way of distributing goods, because almost all the factors are known and the only assumptions I need to make are limited and extrapolate from a large body of data from precedents.

In the absence of data from precedents and with a ludicrously large number of assumptions you don’t have a model, you simply have an unsupported argument which would convince no-one suddenly transformed into a ‘model’ which also should convince no-one but alas, given the ludicrous trust in mathematics described above, does convince the politicians, most of which probably think a model is either a potential mistress or an Airfix kit.

402979 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #412 of 1937 🔗

You model it on the laws of nature, and existing science. It’s not like we don’t know how viruses work. It’s not like we don’t know how humans work and how they react. We have a good body of data to base a model on even in such an unprecedented situation.

Do you think they had no idea what would happen when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon? They knew physics. They could calculate the conditions on the Moon. They put all that together and modelled an unprecedented event.

403001 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #413 of 1937 🔗

Correct about Apollo 9 – and precisely why they can’t model the effects of lockdown. The effects of lockdown are not subject to physics or any other hard science.

I’m not talking about the effects of lockdown on the virus. I don’t care about the virus. I’m talking about the effects of the lockdown on all the wider issues that make a civilized society.

This is why we are here, surely – we believe lockdowns positive effects on the virus – if any – i don’t believe there are any – are vastly outweighed by the negative effects on society overall.

I believe that the elite have been deluded into this course of action because they believe it will serve additional goals such as tackling climate change, and that the ‘modelling’ they have done to achieve those conclusions is literally worthless.

And that the consequences of the lockdowns will not be what their ‘models’ tell them, that they will be far worse, and that they are already irreversible.

403105 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #414 of 1937 🔗

Agreed. When I was woking on the Y2K problem someone coined the term ‘uncertitude’ to cover the situation you describe. Uncertainty can only be used correctly when there is a range of known scenarios.

402945 ▶▶ jos, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #415 of 1937 🔗

You’re assuming they didn’t know the outcome of lockdowns and that this wasn’t part of the plan. I wish we could put all of this down to incompetence but I’m afraid it’s more obfuscation like the desperate ruffling of Johnson’s hair in perpetual bafflement- all fake.

402967 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to jos, 5, #416 of 1937 🔗

No, I’m not. I’m assuming that they have ‘modelled’ what they think the outcome will be and that it will all go according to plan. I’m asserting (without a model) that the number of unexpected consequences will be – are already being – such that the outcome will be far different – and worse – than they are anticipating.

403323 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to redbirdpete, 7, #417 of 1937 🔗

The evidence is now supporting that as an economic collapse is already here although currently in a small capacity. However, deep problems are already being sown. Brexit – information by the RHA that since Brexit there has been a 68% reduction in freight traffic from the UK to Europe (the govt deny this but the RHA made a very explicit Statement and I believe them more than our Govt), mass unemployment due to perpetual lockdown is on the way by mid-summer, we are heading for record rates of repossessions, bankruptcy and small business going under and so on and so forth.

The collapse that is coming and has started will be significant.

403036 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #418 of 1937 🔗

One of the best models in everyday use is a calender. It’s pretty good at representing days, months and years because the variables are highly stable.

We can use our model to predict when the seaons will shift. What it doesn’t do well is tell us with any precision what the seasons will look like.

Reality doesn’t care that we’ve created a model to represent it. The best we can do with our model is say we can expect more or less of certain weather conditions at different times of the year.

403314 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #419 of 1937 🔗

Totally agree. It will be a spectacular collapse. Also, Latin American and African countries will come out of it relatively well because they haven’t adopted the same lunacy and their cultures and social norms are still virtually intact.

I’m seriously looking at Botswana, Nicaragua or other similar countries at the moment for when I get my State pension (two years time). We’ll see. BTW I read in RT UK today that the German Foreign Minister, Maas, is going to give the Opposition Party in Belarus £21m to boost the opposition. Now, in my lifetime, I would say I never thought that the German Government would be so stupid as to do something like this. Let’s see what happens.

402930 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #420 of 1937 🔗

To Resist. It might be coincidence but yesterday i filled my boots with “off grid” youtube viewing, at least two commentators i have followed for a few years are saying this should be looked at seriously. Richard D Hall made the move last summer.
And randomly there was nice old Ben Fogle on Ch5 with a family in rural NW Canada making beautiful wooden houses.
The UK is not a big place but it needs to be said that we might not be able to rely on the fuel, food and water networks in the future.
It will be down to numbers. There are people apparently in the know (deagel ?) saying that we are actually going to see a massive de-population very soon (how can they do that…) but there will be a small surviving population.
Create freedom networks locally with people on telegram/gab now. Soon the internet option might not be available.
Never forgive.

402953 ▶▶ jos, replying to nickbowes, 2, #421 of 1937 🔗

I’ve thought the same but isn’t the internet how they’re able to track and control us. Without our phones wouldn’t we be free?

402960 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to jos, 6, #422 of 1937 🔗

Take the internet and smart phone out of our lives and then that is a small step to freedom. Without the internet there would have been no “virus”.

402975 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 3, #423 of 1937 🔗

Just come off of social media. People don’t need Facebook/ Twitter/ Instagram/ Snapchat/ Tik Tok.

A mass boycott of this alone would start a revolution. It’s that simple.

402934 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #424 of 1937 🔗

As the days lengthen, the swervers do strengthen?
Is it my imagination or are the swervers increasing and getting a lot younger?

402961 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #425 of 1937 🔗

Had a lady brandish her umbrella at me as I ran past her yesterday, that was a first for me.

402937 jos, 5, #426 of 1937 🔗

If this is a scam, there must have been a lot of well-paid co-conspirators and crisis actors (on NDAs presumably) some of whom may be beginning to realise what they’ve done and thinking better of it. We need just one to be open and honest on a (relatively) anonymous site like this to say what they’ve been a part of. If I could speak to any of them, I’d suggest they should open up about this now so that any future litigation goes less harshly for them.

402939 crimsonpirate, 8, #427 of 1937 🔗

Lot of worrying stuff in MSM about Astrazeneca re the South African variant.
Funnily enough Mike Yeadon had a lot to say about this on his Twitter account before it was taken out. I wonder if it was because it didn’t fit the narrative.
It comes to something that you can be cancelled for being pro Vaxx/anti lockdown!

402940 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 11, #428 of 1937 🔗

Last night I read the Spectator article about the possibility that lockdown could be causing covid to mutate. For some time I’ve been thinking that lockdown could be doing this,last week I wrote here that I believe the reduction in flu infections allowed covid to dominate. This is basically evolution in action, all living things compete with each other, if you then remove one species other species will fill that space. A good example is the disappearance of the dinosaurs, they elimination eventually led to us. Likewise if we eliminate flu and other respiratory infections we eliminate the main competitor to covid.
Lockdown is based on the idea of reducing the transmission of the virus and does not consider what this does to the virus. This is because the strategy this government is using is been driven by glorified mathematicians called epidemiologists not virus experts. In fact the whole lockdown strategy is based on sand and I can’t understand why people like Christopher Snowdon is allowed to get away with the idea that without lockdown you would have exponential growth.
When covid began in China Professor Michael Levitt of Stanford university noticed that as infections increased the growth rates slowed down. This was because as people become infected and recover we develop herd immunity and this acts like a brake. This is why infections always peak before declining, and why lockdown seems to reduce the infection rate. All that lockdown can ever do is give you time to build up capacity to treat people not end a pandemic. If you want to use lockdown it should be done at the beginning of a pandemic not when the hospitals are at near capacity, together with the closure of borders and the quarantine of infected people

402944 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Derek Toyne, 13, #429 of 1937 🔗

Our government wants to kill off the elderly, people must understand this is what is happening!!

402963 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #430 of 1937 🔗

Correct – it was a UK government which presided over 130,000 deaths of elderly put on the Liverpool “Care” Pathway only a few years ago.

402974 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Derek Toyne, 9, #431 of 1937 🔗

I don’t think it works that way. But how i think it works is like this:

  1. Population immunity is reduced by lockdown because we don’t get exposed to as many pathogens as before.
  2. Lockdown prevents the normal spread of a virus through society. Herd immunity acts as a firebreak. If you lock people down, either there is no herd immunity protecting them, or they have to spend time in close proximity with other infected people.
  3. Lockdowns are conducive to creating pockets of isolated population, and each develop individual strains. One a locked down population develops some immunity to their local variant, they get exposed to an outside one, and it all starts again. This is why we get a flu season every year, except now we get multiple flu seasons.
403377 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #432 of 1937 🔗

I believe in a round about way where saying the same thing, your last point is interesting and makes a lot of sense. The point I am making is lockdown is based on sand and as soon as people realise it is not only prolonging the pandemic but creating mutant viruses.

403007 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #433 of 1937 🔗

Nature abhors a vacuum.

So many people think that we can simply get rid of all the “bad things” (subjective) in the world and all that will be left are the “good things”.

All that happens is when something is removed something else takes its place.

If we insist on taking natural immunity out of the equation then we must be prepared to use artificial means forever. We can’t bypass our immune systems and expect it to work in the way it always has up till now.

403345 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Nobody2021, #434 of 1937 🔗

I believe Einstein once said that man tries to imitate nature what nature finds really easily. When you get infected yes you are infectious for a short while but your immune straight away. With a vaccine you must wait awhile and you don’t know if you get side effects.

403088 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #435 of 1937 🔗

It matters not if Covid mutates because it is a background virus (if that) now. Any nod to the current wordage and terms is just perpetuating this idiocy. Do we care if the flu mutates or norovirus( which mutates every year).

Maybe if you get the strong version of norovirus you care but you don’t shut down society.

Go look at climate science to see how the terms shift just to keep those in the money.

What we really watching is political suicide for most politicians, council people etc. They just don’t know it yet.

402941 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #436 of 1937 🔗

When has it become OK for police to assault members of the public?

402954 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #437 of 1937 🔗

I cannot believe that the majority of those in the police forces support this kind of behaviour. it is shocking

402962 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 9, #438 of 1937 🔗

You’d like to think so. Although we haven’t been subject to any physical argy-bargy, the police are really throwing their weight around at the moment. How sad that they don’t when they encounter real criminals rather than the odd renegade bench-sitter.

403015 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #439 of 1937 🔗

One of our ‘caring’ plods just turfed a 75 year old off one of the park benches.

403130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #440 of 1937 🔗

Film them

403185 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 3, #441 of 1937 🔗

Film them and shame them.

403012 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 2, #442 of 1937 🔗

The ain’t called pigs for nothing

402970 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #443 of 1937 🔗

Mate… you live in the “oi, do you have a loicence for that” country. Do you really need an answer to that question?

403078 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #444 of 1937 🔗

Because its much easier to harass members of the public than go after thieves, gang overlords, child molesters, fraudsters, etc.

403131 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #445 of 1937 🔗

It’s been just FINE for years. Nobody cares.

402956 Cecil B, 9, #446 of 1937 🔗

Dear Dierdre

I have become an adherent to the teachings of Dr Sherri Tenpenny

My adherence is not based on any science that is provable

My adherence is based on the deep but silent joy I feel as I wander amongst the Covidia

Is this normal

402958 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #447 of 1937 🔗

Forgive me if this has been asked before.

But has anyone had their day in court after choosing not to pay a coronavirus-related Fixed Penalty Notice?

I am interested in all cases but especially where the recipient had a different interpretation of the police’s and has decided to fight it. Clearly you risk getting a criminal record if the magistrate takes a different view to yours but I wonder how this has worked in practice.

I keep being told that the courts are gummed up and I have a suspicion that all of these FPNs are going to be thrown out when this is over…

402976 ▶▶ Mark, replying to jhfreedom, 13, #448 of 1937 🔗

Cecil B I think recently commented that his own ticket had expired after the six months allowed for initiation of action.

Sadly I haven’t yet been ticketed, despite never having worn a mask and spending the morning on Saturday in an illegal breakfasting den raided yesterday by the state militia. I’m a bit worried that liberty might return before I have such a proof of honourable resistance for myself.

A time will hopefully come when those without a coronavirus-related Fixed Penalty Notice will think themselves accurs’d, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks, who holds such a badge of righteous courage.

402996 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 5, #449 of 1937 🔗

The speech you refer to in your final paragraph has often occurred to me.

I’m not going to go out of my way to get a fine, but what a souvenir to hand down to grandchildren!

403060 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mark, 2, #450 of 1937 🔗

We few, we happy few.

404109 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #451 of 1937 🔗

Where’s the breakfast den please Mark ? 🙂

404461 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #452 of 1937 🔗

Kate & Luc’s (see numerous other posts here), Burnage.

I understand he might not be reopening again tomorrow, after his night at Her Majesty’s pleasure, as originally planned, but is determined to reopen later this week.

402994 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #453 of 1937 🔗

We would have known if a member of the public lost a case. Catch 22 situation, if the state lose a fixed penalty case then they will not be able to issue more penalties via the lockdown legislation.

402959 Mark, 20, #454 of 1937 🔗

Peter Hitchens has been aware of the post-Blair structural problems within our police for many years, and addressed it in books going back to at least The Abolition of Britain in 1999.

Recently he made the following observation , which seems reasonable:

My theory is fairly simple. In a liberal state, the police are weak on crime because it is officially regarded as a social disease, not really the fault of the criminals. But they are tough on individuals who tackle crime themselves, because they threaten the state monopoly of law-enforcement (worse, their methods, if generally allowed, would be more popular than the feeble methods of the state police); and they are tough on street protest because they represent a state which regards itself as good, and so sees all protestors as automatically malignant. How do you think totalitarianism would establish itself in a once-free country? What do you think it would look like? I think it would look like this .

That observation needs to be extended somewhat, to note that such a leftist state militia is hard on the particular category of “crime” that represents dissent from the ruling establishment’s dogmas -ie the coronapanic dictats, or the various pc enforcement regulations.

And it is positively compliant on street “protest” that actually represents intimidatory enforcement of establishment dogmas, such as the BLM and XR mobs.

With that, you have a reasonably good basic theory of modern British policing.

402966 PoshPanic, 1, #455 of 1937 🔗

Missed opportunity in todays update. Could’ve slipped this scene from The Life Of Brian in. Maybe LS has been gotten to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UImFKFAWFZ8

402971 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 21, #456 of 1937 🔗

A shop owner who opened his café in Manchester was punched by Police. When did our Police force become thugs attacking people for making a living?
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/07/police-officer-punches-man-resisting-arrest-by-busy-manchester-cafe-14038815/

402984 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mutineer, 14, #457 of 1937 🔗

Since about the Miners strike
You just weren’t paying attention

402993 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #458 of 1937 🔗

And the protests by printers.

402997 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #459 of 1937 🔗

A friend of a friend at the time, was a particularly obnoxious copper. He would gloat on his returns every couple of weeks, about how the boys had gone up there to give them a good kicking.

403010 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #460 of 1937 🔗

Sounds just like the Stanford prison experiment. Give a group of people power over another group, enforce it with authority, and in no time at all you will get abuses.

403008 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #461 of 1937 🔗

Been trying to get LS to add Dire Strait’s Iron Hand to the playlist, but they didn’t even reply to my email. https://youtu.be/1oHfnggzIaA

402990 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mutineer, 4, #462 of 1937 🔗

Very shocking

Sadly the way people see the police changing in a bad way. Others want to know why they focus this instead of catching the baddies

403106 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, 5, #463 of 1937 🔗

Burnage is part of Greater Manchester . The Chief Constable until Dec 2020 was Ian Hopkins . He resigned the day after Greater Manchester Police were placed in special measures because they had failed to record a quarter of violent crimes and one fifth crimes overall (ref:Wiki).
As they say , a fish rots from the head down.

404107 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mikewaite, #464 of 1937 🔗

Failed to record a quarter of violent crimes ?!?!?

Fuck me that is truly appalling.

402972 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 54, #465 of 1937 🔗

The descent into the abyss is gathering pace. The suggestion over the weekend that pubs “may” be allowed in to reopen in April providing they do not serve alcohol was yet another indication that our society has ceased to exist in any meaningful sense.

This makes our job so much harder, because all appeals to rationality or common sense are pointless when faced with an opponent numbered in the millions who are all clinically insane. In terms of fixing this, I think we have past the point of no return. The illness is too profound, and has to run its course to a hell that will eventually destroy itself.

402973 ▶▶ mj, replying to Richard O, 24, #466 of 1937 🔗

next on the list .
restaurants to open but forbidden to serve food
barbers to open but forbidden to use sharp implements
swimming pools to open but forbidden to use any water
etc etc

402985 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mj, 8, #467 of 1937 🔗

Probably already in the works. A ban on speaking in all public places must be on the list. There is no limit to how twisted this can get.

402977 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #468 of 1937 🔗

“People’s online searches can be used as a tool to help epidemiologists spot coronavirus outbreaks early, researchers say” – EdinburghLive

“Using symptom-related searches through Google could allow experts to predict a peak in cases on average 17 days in advance, a group from University College London (UCL) said.

“Analysing internet search activity is already used to track and understand the seasonal flu.

“Details of the model have been published in the Nature Digital Medicine journal.”

402982 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 14, #469 of 1937 🔗

Ahh Big Brother

To ensure privacy use DuckDuckGo as search engine and / or get a VPN

403025 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 5, #470 of 1937 🔗

Proton VPN is good and free

403059 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basics, #471 of 1937 🔗

It stopped working for me, so I pay money for HotSpot VPN.

403164 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basileus, #472 of 1937 🔗

Interested to hear that. I have heard of no issues, hence me saying. I will remember hotspot. Thanks.

403315 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Basics, 2, #473 of 1937 🔗

Free VPN’s are dangerous

403481 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #474 of 1937 🔗

Agree entirely. Not just useless, but many of them are actually less-than-secure proxy services with known histories of leakage and backdoor activity. Same goes for free AV programs.

403490 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Basics, #475 of 1937 🔗

Proton email is encrypted, has a good reputation and is Swiss, i.e. outside Five Eyes’ jurisdiction (he says optimistically).

403497 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, #476 of 1937 🔗

Protonmail is free if you use the basic offering. You pay for the VPN and bigger package / business packages

403476 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Victoria, #477 of 1937 🔗

Yep. DDG search engine/Brave browser/Nord VPN/Bitdefender AV, mebbe.

403049 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Basics, 1, #478 of 1937 🔗

Or alternatively join forces to search something else that would trigger an end to lockdown entirely. What’d you do then.

This really explains a lot, though. If like me, you’re from Lincolnshire, then your search is ‘“What’s that smell?”, (it’s slurry/manure/silage) “When is the tip open?”, (never), “Do I still have a functioning NHS?”, (no but cheer up, it never has and you’re still here), “Do I have lymphoma?”, (if you are an arable farmer; probably), “Where are the bees”, (dead from Neonics and glyphosate).

But I doubt very much that this county of stoics are that hyperchondrical or curious to bother looking up symptoms. We are too busy scrabbling fur a living.

403132 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basics, 1, #479 of 1937 🔗

Any chance of a flash mob searching for symptoms of Ebola?

403167 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ewan Duffy, #480 of 1937 🔗

Why flash mob when you can bot?

402980 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 10, #481 of 1937 🔗

I’m afraid that noble warrior that he is Toby is wasting his time in the ongoing debate with Snowden, who is a nobody. If the exchange was taking place with NO’B MP or a Govt. minister, holding them to account, then it might be a different story. Getting shopowners to display a ‘Maskless Welcome’ sign would be a positive step, plus relentlessly putting the evidence to MP’s so that they have no wriggle room when the inevitable enquiry comes would be more helpful.

402992 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #482 of 1937 🔗

It is at least a debate – and, as the debates you suggest would be preferred, any debate is good….

403034 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to frankfrankly, #483 of 1937 🔗

You missed the K.

403116 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to TheHandbag, #484 of 1937 🔗

Only once he gets knighted. Then he will be Sir KNOB o’Brian

403126 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Skippy, #485 of 1937 🔗

I’m glad somebody got the name abbreviation!

403055 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #486 of 1937 🔗

Jesus, this Snowdon character… he builds his arguments around a root assumption that he claims as fact and is too stupid to see the logical flaw. From that point his arguments are worthless. He’s a waste of time fuckwit.

402983 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 16, #487 of 1937 🔗

If 0.2% of the UK population have their deaths labelled as covid (with or from) over the course of this, and each such labelled death results in on average 6 months of fairly unhealthy life lost through SARS-C0V-2 having appeared on the scene.

Then on average that works out at less than half a day (or more precisely 0.4 day = 0.2% x 183 days) of fairly unhealthy life lost per member of the population.

So if the direct covid mortality effect was spread evenly over the population, it would be like someone decreeing, we are going to cut everybody’s life at the end short by half a day. So for example someone destined to die at 10pm on 5th January 2040 will actually now die at 10am on 5th January 2040 instead.

Compare that with all the misery that everyone has suffered over the past year (albeit to widely different degrees) and ask is it worth it for less than half a day of life?

Doesn’t that make you think we’ve got things completely out of proportion, even before you consider that the evidence is that lockdowns don’t prevent a single covid death but cause huge indirect loss of life?

Is this logic correct?

402991 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #488 of 1937 🔗

I was born at 6am so can I have my extra half a day during daylight hours please

402995 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cecil B, #489 of 1937 🔗

Ha ha. I’m allocating by half a day of life lost to time I might have spent watching the BBC.

403017 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cecil B, #490 of 1937 🔗

And would the English Calendar Riots of 1752 have taken place if the calendar switch was just half a day rather than 11 when the calendar was switched from the Julian to the Gregorian day. I suspect they might as it would have resulted in people working during the night and sleeping during the day.

403200 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #491 of 1937 🔗

In 1752 most people did not work according to clock time.

402998 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #492 of 1937 🔗

It’s very difficult to put numbers on it – but for me, as one of the ‘vulnerable’, supposed to be ‘protected’ – is the fact is that a year of my limited remaining life has been buggered by this shit-show.

I’m fairly forgiving – but not on this.

403061 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, #493 of 1937 🔗

Yes interesting.

Even if you break it down to individual risk level, that is average loss of days of life taking into account individual risk level ,so some are above 1/2 a day and some below, you still end up with the misery being more than the covid mortality effect for just about everyone, young or old, vulnerable or not, living at home or living in a care home, working or prevented from working.

403181 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Freecumbria, #494 of 1937 🔗

Don’t you need to work into your calculation the total years lost?
It’s not the same if a 20 year old dies than if an 80 year old dies, is it?

A very crude approach would be to find out the average of people dying from covid and take it away from the life expectancy age to get the years lost per person dying.

403333 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to stewart, #495 of 1937 🔗

I’m working off it being half a year of life lost on average per covid death. We can debate whether it is half a year or one year but it’s that sort of order.

That will include a very very few younger/healthier people where it is significantly more years of life lost balanced by the vast majority who are older and vulnerable people where it is less than a half.

There has been discussion on this already today.

Your crude approach won’t get you anywhere near the correct answer. For a start most covid deaths are people with co-morbidities whose life expectancy is significantly less than someone without co-morbidities. You can’t ignore that to get any meaningful answer. If you adjust for that it gets you down to about 9 years life lost.

But then within a subgroup of people of the same age, sex and co-morbidity mix, there is a massive variation in life expectancies and covid death selects for those with the abolute worse life expectancies within that sub-group being typically those who are counted as covid deaths. For example the person who dies because of something other than covid but tests positive for covid essentially has a life expectancy of zero, as covid did not bring forward their death. And if you have two people with diabetes one who has it controlled to some extent and one who is experiencing end of life complications of diabetes, it is the latter who is far more likely to die from covid, because the severity of their diabetes makes them most vulnerable to covid death.

402986 RickH, replying to RickH, 18, #496 of 1937 🔗

Again! 🙁

Day after day, the lead item picks up the MSM narrative! :

The AstraZeneca vaccine has faltered against the South African Variant”

Where the implicit sub-text simply takes for granted (a) that it is otherwise effective and (b) the ‘virulant variant’ story.

What the f. is this site about????

403029 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to RickH, 4, #497 of 1937 🔗

Don’t get too wound up.

For those of us who avoid the MSM like the plague, pun intended, I’ll just say that what is ATL is useful for myself to try and get a wholly rounded view of the current shitshow. I then cruise through the comments to find valid alternative viewpoints and links.

403113 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Jonny S., 3, #498 of 1937 🔗

And at least it saves me going to the actual MSM and having to have a long bath afterwards to wash off the filth.

403000 merlin, replying to merlin, 2, #499 of 1937 🔗

If the oxford vaccine is useless against south african variant then surely the pfizer vaccine would suffer the same issues? I understand the delivery mechanisms are different but surely the coding for the spike proteins are identical? Or is it that oxford/astra vaccine was useless in the first place?
Any expert on here that can explain?

403002 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to merlin, -12, #500 of 1937 🔗

In what way is it useless if, as reported, it prevents death and hospitalisation (I don’t know that it does, but that is what is reported)? Who cares if people still get a sniffle, or even have to hunker down in bed for a fortnight but come out none the worse?

403003 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #501 of 1937 🔗

The south africans have stopped using it. I reckon they know as much about the south african variant as anyone.

403028 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to merlin, 5, #502 of 1937 🔗

South Africans, of all races have a strong and well-developed instinct for when government-mandated genocide is occurring. It’s only a small step to see a multinational or philanthrocapitalist doing it. This is a population forged in the fire of the Boer war and Apartheid living with governmental corruption on a pretty epic scale. They know when to quit. I’m not sure why they would take any shitty medication from Britain, but I suppose old habits die hard, and a lot of people have been ignoring their own history and common sense in the past year.

All that said, I’m sure they’ll take the vaccine if whomever their latest paymaster is.

403048 ▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to TheHandbag, 5, #503 of 1937 🔗

I had thought that the human survival instinct would eventually overpower the 24/7 covid propaganda but the evidence from israel and now the UK suggests I was too optimistic.

403011 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #504 of 1937 🔗

So you believe that the vaccine can’t prevent a sniffle but will prevent serious disease? 99pct of human immune systems also achieve this without risking allergic reactions and unknown long term side effect from experimental gene therapies and Genetically modified chimp viruses.

403033 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to merlin, #505 of 1937 🔗

I believe that the treatment (not a vaccine in the usual sense) could reduce severity of symptoms without avoiding them completely. Many treatments do that in all sorts of situations. And yes, that will be superfluous to those who are in good health with robust immune systems (me included) and have no interest in a vaccine.

403047 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #506 of 1937 🔗

Or, it could increase the severity of symptoms via ADE. We don’t know.

403153 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #507 of 1937 🔗

They don’t even know if it does that. The analyses so far showed that there was no difference in their variant trial between those who got sniffles and those that did not. Whether they had the vaccine offered nothing.

They have to wait to see if any of the trial groups end up in hospital because it didn’t happen much or at all.

Start doing some research.

403194 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to merlin, 3, #508 of 1937 🔗

Why not just give everyone a does of one of the mild corona colds?
Surely that would be more effective in training up the immune system to target coronas than the frankenjab

403004 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 16, #509 of 1937 🔗

As someone who’s had long covid I just want to reassure those currently mired in it that it does pass. It takes 6 months for the nighttime pain, breathlessness and tachycardia to pass, and a while longer for your reason to return and the brain fog to depart). I truly believe that it causes temporary but reversible brain damage.

The oxygen deprivation, at night especially, damages a part of the brain essential for high level processing, (leaving you grasping for words for months ; called “brain fog” but if you’re naturally articulate it really doesn’t do it justice). It affects your driving too. But more than that it stimulates your trauma responses. So you are extremely vulnerable to poor quality thinking, an inability to process trauma rationally (which as a C-PTSD sufferer I can assure you is actually quite possible and most of us are doing it most of the time).

You overreact, you end up in disputes. Your impulse control worsens and you are victim to intense and irresistible, visceral fear. But again, it doesn’t last. It won’t last and reason will return to her throne.

The vaccine is prolonging this problem by creating a recurring cycle and speeding up the rate of mutations, but it won’t be as long-lived because many of its recipients are going to die or become highly incapacitated. And as most people have had covid, (whether they even know it or not), their bodies are going to fight it off by hook or by crook. In some ways, the elderly are going to be the generation that lays down their lives to protect the younger while this vaccine madness goes on. What is tragic is that some of the survivors of concentration camps in Israel are now being taken out by the hysteria of their own governments. But I suppose if you asked them, they’d choose this over a gas chamber or many of the multitude of ways that Jews were injured or killed during WW2.

[As an aside, I’d be prepared to bet that this is how we got such a landslide from 2019’s GE. A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger].

So be braced! Whether manmade or not, (which in the grand scheme of things isn’t really important), there’s going to be a lot of incompetence, aggression, fear, adrenaline, cortisol, despair, death and complete and utter irrationality washing around. Further mutations will trigger it temporarily, but it’ll be of much shorter duration, and easily helped by exercise, good diet, less stress and once it has blown through a few times, it’ll largely be water off a duck’s back. Those of us who are unvaccinated will emerge healthier and readier to take on the aftermath. I can’t say for the vaccinated as I suspect it’s a matter of genetics and quality control, (which is sorely missing in vaccine production).

But there’s my penny’s worth. If long-covid is making your life a misery, hold on, sleep lots, eat super-well. Go for walks and watch it slowly recede. And (note to GMP), if you feel like you’re losing your shit with some innocent citizen, stay strong and resist your anger and fear. It’s COVID talking but one day you’re going to have to answer for it.

403018 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #510 of 1937 🔗

Thank you for sharing that. I’ve had issues after illnesses in the past, and they passed too. The most difficult one was actually not from an illness, but from a reaction to an antibiotic which was so bad I called the GP out. She said it was a coincidence! I took a long time to recover from that.

403026 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #511 of 1937 🔗

“A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger”.

Well that is one of the most patronising things I’ve read on this thread! Everyone who doesn’t agree with you or have your astonishing level of foresight is a bit thick? I expect this from the #FBPE crowd but not on here.

403053 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to TheHandbag, 26, #512 of 1937 🔗

‘Long covid’ my arse. You’ve had post viral syndrome same as we did early last year, same as lots of people have always had after a nasty viral infection. Junk the brand name, you’re just helping to market the bloody mythology. This is a place for scepticism, not shilling for the mainstream bollocks. What a wind-up!
AG

403071 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #513 of 1937 🔗

I assumed the ‘long covid’ comment was irony, and grinned appreciatively while reading through it.

403746 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to rockoman, #514 of 1937 🔗

Nah mate. That’s what you call a false positive. You need to go into your irony test settings and dial back on the old amplification cycles.

The numbers are falling off (apart from jab deaths of course) so Long Covid has been picked up and dusted down…
AG

403077 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #515 of 1937 🔗

Well said!

403087 ▶▶ Mark, replying to TheHandbag, 11, #516 of 1937 🔗

A lot of people who couldn’t process the higher level thinking necessary to assess if “Get Brexit Done” was an acceptable mandate to give someone with so little capacity and intellect, and a shitload of undirected fear and anger ”.

The only appropriate response to that is in kind.

Fortunately for us there were more of the type you describe willing to vote than there were of those with too little higher thinking capacity to understand that putting a bunch of corrupt and evil Blairites and Corbynites into office, probably in cahoots with the objectively evil SNP, with the clear if rarely openly stated intention of overturning the mandate of the referendum and locking us back into the European Superstate project, was infinitely worse than the alternative of having our own nation’s buffoons in power.

And indeed it’s obvious from the behaviour and words of Corbyn, Starmer and Sturgeon that the panic into lockdown would have been faster and harsher under Labour than it has been under the “Conservatives”.

The current situation is shite. But one thing absolutely guaranteed to make it even more shite would be a Labour government. You can kiss goodbye to any remaining shreds of freedom of speech and opinion when that lot next get into office.

403761 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, #517 of 1937 🔗

Don’t worry Mark, it won’t be a Labour gov. next. It’ll be the National Unity Government led by the Trilateral Commission’s very own Sir Keir Starmer (and that will be even more Shiterer).
AG

403831 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #518 of 1937 🔗

Arguably the nightmare scenario…..

403096 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #519 of 1937 🔗

That made me titter

403145 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #520 of 1937 🔗

I have ulcerative coltiis and that reads like I have had it. Never an issue before, then bang, dropped down to 7 stone in three weeks. Body was wasting and gut inflamed in a positive feedback loop just eating me up.

Better now. But the recovery took about 6 months. Did all the things you said and healed. Point being, did I really need to tell you my story?

403166 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #521 of 1937 🔗

Sounds very like the condition I was left in after getting pneumonia some years ago. The treatment by the NHS was so appalling my husband had me moved into a private hospital. I also suffered vaccine damage whilst working for the NHS when I was forced to have a BCG vaccination as I worked in oncology. I had a terrible reaction (urticaria so severe my lips split and I couldn’t breathe or swallow) and then developed severe autoimmune problems. I later got cancer and have never been well since. I shall never have another vaccination, especially when the side effects exceed any benefits.

403009 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #522 of 1937 🔗

This is ThE ScIenCE:

Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.20062133v1

This is boring, tedious reality:

403065 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #523 of 1937 🔗

That was by the way 96,000 extra deaths by July from March. When in reality none of that happened and that’s even with Sweden adopting the loose attribution policy to Covid. Mortality has NOT changed.

Question is now has government policy in the UK (democide) resulted in the mortality spikes we have seen or is this just a variance that comes every so many years. I think the first spike was induced. The second one I’m not sure if it’s a correction

403085 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mhcp, #524 of 1937 🔗

Yes I should have made it absolutely clear that the “modelling” was for a median 96,000 Covid deaths alone , though most here will understand that.

403069 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #525 of 1937 🔗

Conservative estimates too. Unreal

403136 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, #526 of 1937 🔗

Note on the above, the year actually finished at 97,941 all cause deaths for the year, I clicked on an older version of the graph by mistake.

403016 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Jonny S., 4, #528 of 1937 🔗

Depends how expensive it is. If it costs billions upon billions, we can expect the media to pick it up. On the other hand, the news does come from Israel, and the media is very against them lately.

403014 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 40, #529 of 1937 🔗

Awful news this morning from a friend in my hometown, 2 suicides – one late teens and another early 20s. Mother of one said lockdown tipped him over the edge.
When will this ever end?

403024 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #530 of 1937 🔗

That is absolutely heart breaking.

403030 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #531 of 1937 🔗

Brother in law’s neighbour’s teenage kid shot himself down by the river yesterday, suffering from depression.

403032 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #532 of 1937 🔗

Unless we make it so, never. Appalling and entirely avoidable loss of life such as this is absolutely meaningless to the Covid Cult. Indeed anyone citing cases like this as evidence for the brutal impact of lockdowns is savaged as a heretic.

403050 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #533 of 1937 🔗

That’s absolutely awful and it’s so so sad

403140 ▶▶ davews, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #534 of 1937 🔗

That and all the other cases mentioned should be given front page news, we really need to get the message out of the dreadful affects this situation causes it. I certainly feel suicidal at times but to think the young are feeling the same is truly awful.

403249 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #535 of 1937 🔗

This is awful news and yet the zombies are still refusing to acknowledge that this is happening.

Good question – when will this ever end?

403021 PoshPanic, 7, #536 of 1937 🔗

Abir Ballans Twitter thread is on the money. My takeaway from it is, if a really deadly virus sweeps the world, we’ll all know to completely ignore Governments and Scientific advisors, NGOs,MSM etc.

https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1357690512455716873

403041 l835, replying to l835, 33, #537 of 1937 🔗

I’m beginning to forget. Forget what normal life was like. Weekly lunch in a cafe on a Friday as a treat for a week of hard work, fortnightly visit to the cinema, doesn’t matter what was showing as it was a night out, and a monthly visit to the theatre, perhaps dining in the restaurant next door.

All that has gone, along with the alternating weekend visits from my children. Aside from rollercoastering mental health, it’s difficult to maintain a relationship as we don’t do anymore go anywhere.

Won’t give up fighting, but accepting that even when 99% of the population are vaccinated we will still have restrictions due to “variants”.

403051 ▶▶ Morse, replying to l835, 15, #538 of 1937 🔗

Was thinking exactly the same thing this morning, how life has changed but become normalised, the plan all along I suspect, we adapt very quickly as a species, hence our huge success over millennia. They know this. Habit’s and behaviours can be changed in an average of 66 days, they are well on their way to changing the habits of the world. Pretty amazing when you think about it.

I too won’t give up fighting, I will still continue to live my life as I want.

403052 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to l835, 29, #539 of 1937 🔗

I have been supportive of the Zoe app here – I think its the best dataset. But Tim Spector’s comments at the weekend ‘masks and social distancing can carry on for years, they dont cost anything’ – just marks him out as another oddball public health loony who cares nothing about people or society – just numbers in his stupid spreadsheets. I wonder if public health attracts a certain sort of puritan character who love to see people as ‘problems’ to be ‘solved’

403062 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 3, #540 of 1937 🔗

I thought the same. He seemed to be quite reasoned and has a more holistic approach to health when I’ve listened to him in long form interviews. But his comments again typify what we’ve seen recently. While he is not a sceptic, he seemed measured enough to avoid getting drawn on things like his article outlined.

He knows his career is on tbe line no doubt. He also stands to make a tonne of money with personalised and digitised health in the new normal.

403063 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to steve_w, 16, #541 of 1937 🔗

They’re complete and utter maniacs. Soulless, loveless, dried up shells of human beings.

403064 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #542 of 1937 🔗

His comments were slightly at odds with his veiled criticism of the November lockdown decision but he’s always held fairly mainstream views.

403242 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, 1, #543 of 1937 🔗

his criticism was based on lockdown not being necessary because tiers were doing it. If he thought lockdowns were ‘necessary’ he’d want them.

403068 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, #544 of 1937 🔗

Maybe some funding will be forthcoming

403072 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to steve_w, 3, #545 of 1937 🔗

No costs? Oh. My. God!

403112 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #546 of 1937 🔗

Yes. It’s a stupid remark.

403073 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to steve_w, 4, #547 of 1937 🔗

anyone tracking a sniffle is not to be trusted

403173 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to l835, 5, #548 of 1937 🔗

I’m existing, but not living!

403283 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 8, #549 of 1937 🔗

I’m trying to carry on as I was in 2019 and I won’t give up. Granted I think I’m losing family and friends but sod it! What matters is my dignity as a person.

403042 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 3, #550 of 1937 🔗

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2021/01/covid-19-a-realistic-approach-to-community-management/

That the Oxford/AZ ‘vaccine’ won’t work against any of the mutations is exactly what Prof. Clancy stated and forecasted in this excellent article.
Nor will likely any other vector vaccine, like the Russian one, work.

But then, neither they nor the, in that regard probably more efficient, mRNA ones are ‘vaccines’, but ‘experimental gene therapies’.

The one to focus and wait upon is the Novavax one and other traditional recombinant ones.

The Oxford/AZ one always was, is and will continue to be a dud.
One whose trial was misdesigned, mishandled/botched and whose data profile as a result is unreliable and still poor with regard to its efficiency and safety (see Sebastian Rushworth).
It’s a poor and only pseudo solution, solely pursued in Britain because it’s ‘British’.
(Not a uniquely British approach and problem, Germans currently rather want the ‘German’ aka Pfizer/BionTech one, although the Moderna one objectively seems to be better than it, see Rushworth’s review again, and although it’s unsuitable for half the population.)

403054 ▶▶ merlin, replying to JayBee, 4, #551 of 1937 🔗

The oxford brand is still very powerful in the uk and outside. No amount of scientific reasoning will stop many people from having faith in an oxford vaccine.
I knew it would be a disaster when I saw sarah gilbert being paraded on the front pages back in feb/march.

403056 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JayBee, 4, #552 of 1937 🔗

And it’ll do more harm for vaccine confidence than anything the WhatsApp groups can come up with.

Do you think some more propaganda and gaslightling will help get us back on track Mein Fuhrer?

403089 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to JayBee, 4, #553 of 1937 🔗

I’d rather have a ‘dud’ AZ vaccine in my veins than an entirely experimental Pfizer one that has completely unknown consequences. I’m 65 with some additional risk factors – though basically robust – so on the cusp, as it were.

403123 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #554 of 1937 🔗

The dud vaccine means it will do you no good. It doesn’t mean that it will also do no harm.

403190 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to merlin, 2, #555 of 1937 🔗

I understand that. But any vaccine can do harm – it should be for the individual to judge relative risk. I didn’t bother to have the flu jab when I was 30 but I do have it now I’m 65.

403247 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JayBee, #556 of 1937 🔗

I believe the FDA suspended the use of Moderna due to too many serious adverse reactions.

403639 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to JayBee, #557 of 1937 🔗

That the vaccine won’t work against mutant variations should be the least of the worries. The very real possibility of a potentially lethal reaction should a vaccinated person come into contact with a mutated version is the real danger but neither the media nor the government want to mention that for some reason.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795

403070 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #558 of 1937 🔗

I am a lockdown sceptic not a vaccine sceptic. If I was in my 70s or older I would have it. If I was under 40 I would leave it a fair few years. As someone in their 50s I am undecided.

What I do find a bit hard to compute is those commenters here who have been scathing of the over use of the precautionary principle when applied to mandating lockdowns but seem now to be applying that same principle to excess to the vaccines. We decried the flimsy evidence that masks or lockdowns work so we should be circumspect in how we respond to the studies into negative effects of vaccines against the benefits such as some of the frankly fanciful death rates in seeing.

I’m not an anti vaxxer. I’ve had all my jabs as a child and many to travel in Africa and Asia for work. I have concerns about the Covid vaccine but I’m open to the evidence and think we should make an effort not to fall pray to the confirmation bias we condemn in our opponents.

403080 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #559 of 1937 🔗

As someone at negligible risk of COVID I cannot reconcile the need for a vaccine. I will never be able to compute why I would need or want it.

For those over 65 I think you are correct that there is a debate to be had and we should try to remain objective.

403127 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #560 of 1937 🔗

Well, we’re a long way away from objectivity – not on here, but in the population at large.

Public discussion about coronavirus vaccines is taboo and wherever possible instantly shut down.

403091 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 28, #561 of 1937 🔗

In the case of mandating lockdowns you have it completely back to front.

The precautionary principle dictates that to so completely disturb the normal functioning of society and economy in a way which had never been done before, was completely reckless.

This was proved true with the great loss of life caused by lockdowns.

As for ‘confirmation bias’ in regard to the ‘vacines’, we don’t have to prove anything. It is the task of the manufacturers to prove they are safe.

As a lockdown sceptic I am sure you are aware of the lies, the half-truths and the propaganda which have dominated the presentation of the official narrative.

Why do you think that was, and why do you think that should have stopped with regard to the vaccines.

I find your comment extraordinarily naive.

Question:

If a population has to be held hostage for 10 months to get them to take a ‘vaccine’, what does that tell you?

403095 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 17, #562 of 1937 🔗

I am deeply sceptical of all the Covid vaccines (gene therapies), in particular because they have been sold since day one as the only possible route out of lockdowns and all associated restrictions, even when work on their development had supposedly only just commenced.

It is now becoming increasingly clear that restrictions are never going to be completely lifted regardless, so it could be argued that vaccine safety and efficacy data is irrelevant. For me the only question that remains is when will vaccination be mandated for the entire population.

403101 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 26, #563 of 1937 🔗

I think you’ve got your reasoning a bit out of kilter here.

Like you, I’m not an ‘anti-vaxxer’, and am sceptical of over-use of the ‘precautionary principle’.

However, unlike you, – I am 70+ and in the ‘vulnerable’ category, and have decided not to have the vaccine. Why? On evidential grounds.

… simply because the testing has been ridiculously curtailed … and on the basis of a government paper that has an opening sentence that is a lie. There is simply not enough data to assess the safety or efficacy of any vaccine, and it is being promoted by massive political and financial interests that plainly are in opposition to real science. Additionally – my vulnerability makes me even more hesitant to absorb largely untested snake-oil.

403107 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #564 of 1937 🔗

Someone posted the Qcovid calculator yesterday. I think it’s quite interesting.

From that you can estimate the risk of dying in a 90 day period around the first wave in Spring 2020 with your data labelled as covid (so it’s the probability of getting covid and then dying from it).

It’s not its intended purpose, but with some assumptions you can argue that the risk that comes out is equivalent to or not greater than the risk of your death through covid being prevented by taking the experimental vaccine (that’s assuming you’ve not already had covid because the calculator seriously overstates your risk then I would suggest).

https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation

The typical risks that people in their 50s were reporting were around 1 in 10,000 of death.

You have to ask yourself the question are the potential harms of an experimental vaccine greater than that estimated risk.

I’m not telling anyone to take or not take the vaccine, but given that there are significant short term side affects (significantly more than any flu jab) and lots of potential long term risks because of the new technologies e.g. MRNA, it wouldn’t be illogical for most people to decide not to take the vaccine if they were properly informed.

403119 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #565 of 1937 🔗

I’m a reasonable healthy 52 year old and wont be having it. My father is in laet 70’s and has had first AZ jab and my mother, mid 70s hasn’t, choosing instead to waite and see – they are both healthy and don’t take any pharmaceutical products yet – they do take vit D daily (10000 iu).

I’m not anti vax and have had all the usual one off stuff. what bothers me is the deliberate denial of any treatments by the medical authorities that would have prevented the emergency licencing of these new ‘vaccines’ – allowing many shortcuts in usual safety trials.

anyone that claims these vaccines have been fully tested for safety is lying.

Its all a bit dishonest – imo furthering ‘vaccine’ technology has been the priority – saving lives has not, and this is criminal, and has been deadly.

great 4 min video about treatment in todays round-up…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=_aQebWzw_mo

403121 ▶▶ davews, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #566 of 1937 🔗

Well as someone over 70 I am totally undecided whether to have the jab. I can certainly see the issues raised on here and it being rather a waste of time for what little it does. But there again if the side effects are minimal (certainly a big if) then there seems to be little point in refusing so you don’t get listed as a non-conformist by ones friends (and ex friends…). I seem to change my view every few minutes and no doubt will soon get the dreaded phone call and invite. Whatever, I agree with AWD, nobody in our little community should deride those who decide for whatever reason to conform.

403169 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to davews, 6, #567 of 1937 🔗

there seems to be little point in refusing so you don’t get listed as a non-conformist by ones friends (and ex friends…) . “

There have been times and societies when nonconformity has been a moral obligation. We were not such a society, imo, 30 years ago. We are, imo, today.

403161 ▶▶ Mark, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #568 of 1937 🔗

What I do find a bit hard to compute is those commenters here who have been scathing of the over use of the precautionary principle when applied to mandating lockdowns but seem now to be applying that same principle to excess to the vaccines .”

Two points arise, for me. This is not a balanced equation

First, consent and liberty are fundamental. The supposed “precautionary principle” as misapplied to rationalising imposing lockdown is being used to justify coercion on a massive and hugely intrusive scale. It cannot do so, or at most could only do so in the face of infinitely more credible and substantive threats than a respiratory virus..

Second, I would personally distinguish between action and inaction. Choosing to refrain from medication based on precaution is more easily justified imo than choosing to medicate on a supposedly similar basis. For me, all medication requires positive justification. First, do no harm.

403174 ▶▶ alw, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #569 of 1937 🔗

I am 72 with no co morbidities and not on any medication. I won’t be having as there is scant evidence to date about its efficacy, long term effects and none of the evidence have been peer reviewed.

403176 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #570 of 1937 🔗

I am mostly in the same camp and can agree with much but not with everything you state here.
Back in April, I was still a believer in the vaccine solution, although my sister-in-law is mentally handicapped due to her smallpox vaccination in 1966.
But that was before any dissent was labelled a conspiracy theory, before the IMO even more suitable and viable treatment options were discarded and diffamated against rather than properly researched, and before the traditional process of development and definition of ‘vaccine’ was changed completely and any concerns about that squashed or ignored.
All of that by definition unscientific behaviour destroyed my trust into those involved and those ‘vaccines’ completely and for good.
If I can avoid it/discrimination, I’ll avoid it until my personal risk profile suggests I should get one- I am now more sceptical of the adjuvants and very sceptical of the herd immunity concept and the HIT myth (see Gatti, Montanari, CHD) too, and I do not believe that it is my duty to contribute towards it anymore at all, certainly not for that deindidualized, intolerant, freedom not valuing anymore mankind and youth.
If I can’t avoid it, I’ll still try to wait for as long as I can and until I can choose a traditional, more likely sensible and safe one, i.e. the recombinant ones like the Novavax one.
I haven’t and won’t advise anyone to have it or not though, I’ll just explain my reservations and argue that it’s up to anyone by themselves and that solely according to their own risk profiles and fear levels.
To me, that leaves mainly the 70-85 year olds for whom it currently makes an objective sense to get
‘vaccinated’ (above 85, see Norway).

403265 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #571 of 1937 🔗

Agreed… way too much hair on fire around here… certain posters are the mirror image of the most implacable lockdown zealots – some just as irrational, some just as nasty.

403076 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 3, #572 of 1937 🔗

Just this second had through an email – as I’m on the relevant email list for this. Check out http://www.publicguardian.blog.gov.UK/2021/02/08/lasting-power-of-attorney-and-the-covid-vaccine/

It sent shivers down my spine – having been in the position of my erstwhile brother and his wife had POA over my parents until their recent deaths. Personally, I knew that erstwhile SIL would have decided my parents should have the vax anyway – thankfully they were spared that – as they died prior to that (from their own illnesses). But for anyone that is in that position still check that link out – because it includes saying “If the attorney…does not consent to the vaccine being given, the healthcare professional may consider that decision isn’t in the best interest of the individual. If so, the healthcare professional should seek legal advice……….”.

403103 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to ElizaP, #573 of 1937 🔗

The duty placed on deputies is to act in the best interest of the individual that lacks capacity. It has always been the case that if there is disagreement over treatment then a case can be progressed to the Court of Protection for judgement. This makes sense as every case needs to be decided on its own merits, taking into account a number of factors to ensure actions are in the best interest of the individual and without any conflict of interest.

403218 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Paulus, 1, #574 of 1937 🔗

Once again, the MCA is the only legal avenue to the CoP for adults. They still have to prove lack of capacity for which there is a specific assessment. The founding principle is that everyone has a right to make their own decisions unless they reach a stage that they are unable to do so. This is underpinned by the principle that everyone has a right to make a ‘wrong’ decision – that being, a decision that others do not agree with.

403213 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to ElizaP, #575 of 1937 🔗

They would have to use the Mental Capacity Act for that and prove a lack of capacity. A Best Interest Decision can only be made under this Act.

403079 RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #576 of 1937 🔗

“Miracle in Singapore” – another misleading article.
It is hardly new information that government imposed measures are a minor issue in the incidence of Covid – although the management of the elderly population may have an effect.

What is known, however, is that latitude and climatic factors may be very inportant.

Thus comparing Singapore with European nations is plain dumb.

403099 ▶▶ Binra, replying to RickH, 1, #577 of 1937 🔗

Are there sites with a consciousness of quality control such as to grow a consciousness rather than keep erasing to rewrite the same script in admittedly new variants?

403257 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 2, #578 of 1937 🔗

Did Singapore see SARS? Might explain some existing immunity.

403092 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to this is my username, 5, #580 of 1937 🔗

Hahahaha. No, you’ll have to come up with a replacement energy source.

Why do all of these idiots only think in adversarial terms? Not able to come up with a good solution but still want to run their mouths and make waves?

What the hell is wrong with them?

403097 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to GrannySlayer, 7, #581 of 1937 🔗

They are watermelons. They want to control humanity like communists.

403118 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to this is my username, 6, #582 of 1937 🔗

The official Soviet campaign inciting Red Army soldiers to rape German women used that kind of language.

403141 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to this is my username, 6, #583 of 1937 🔗

“SHANGHAI, June 25 (Reuters) – China has nearly 250 gigawatts (GW) of coal-fired power now under development, more than the entire coal power capacity of the United States, a new study said on Thursday, casting doubt on the country’s commitments to cutting fossil fuel use.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-coal-idUSL4N2E20HS

China financing coal-fired power in Africa:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/business/africa-coal-energy-goldman-prize-dst-hnk-intl/index.html

Fosil fuels are going nowhere

403151 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to rockoman, 8, #584 of 1937 🔗

“casting doubt on the country’s commitments to cutting fossil fuel use”

A classic case of English understatement!

403205 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to this is my username, 3, #585 of 1937 🔗

I’ve long had my answer ready to anyone who has a go at me – “I’m the first of 2 children my parents had……got no children (by choice) myself and only buying a car soon (for the first time) because the public transport where I now am is awful. So – have a go at someone else matey – because I figure I’m doing my bit”.

403261 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to ElizaP, 3, #586 of 1937 🔗

ElizaP, are you me? Snap, and I do use this justification myself, note how all the virtue signallers have loads of kids and a couple of cars. Mind you, having not driven since 1996 I will need a few (unmasked) lessons when they start up again.

403090 Binra, #587 of 1937 🔗

There is a feature of modern banking that reveals a feature of human consciousness in the intent to persist in conflicts of self contradiction, by repackaging the toxic debt into financial instruments that operate within regulated forms of currency and exchange.

This is also true as a pattern across the board, as a way of not resolving or addressing toxic consequence of lawless and dissociated intent and behaviours by ‘externalising’ liability to the lives of others and to the living environment as a whole, so as to persist in a claim of the right to repackage such harms to regulatory structures of both containment and participation of the living in their own sacrifice to systemic deceits that are asserted by the established order of protected investments of identity, status, privilege and controls taken for a driven private agenda masking as public partnering.

The financial or banking system, holds the key to corporate dependency on credit such as to frame corporate regulations under which corporate survival dictates participation and compliance in their own sacrifice to systemic subjection while imposing such to the living who are dependent and managed by their services.

The piling up of denial, debt and toxic conflict, is masked over by ever more sacrifice to controls that FEED upon the fears that are packaged in layers of evasion and accepted as social norms, regulatory protections and virtue masking compliance.

Another way to see this is where any conflict of hate and fear is not addressed but evaded and denied by the willing embrace of a panacea or magical solution. While there may be specific help for specific issues in the form of the solution, its use as a diversionary displacement for un-faced and unowned and therefore unresolved fear, operates AS a displacement ‘reality’ into which all the psychic-emotional patterns, will reappear through the forms of the ‘solution’ but as if new problems, requiring further ‘new solutions’. The lie or self-illusion, always requires more lies to protect it, and the cascade of which is the driven, but negative ‘Economy’ of feeding from and as the process of destruction as an anti-life agenda, under mask of virtue. But clearly and obviously hollow to the capacity to meet and share in love of life – excepting as framed in a clique of self gratifying exceptionalism, as a love of self-illusion given power over the living – including their true living being.

This post completes at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/repackaging-fear-into-systems-of.html

403115 ▶▶ merlin, replying to nickbowes, 2, #589 of 1937 🔗

Only death can prevent further jabs. The only constraint at the moment is supply

403133 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 7, #590 of 1937 🔗

Notice that “annual boosters” is pluralised. I take this to mean that, as all the rabid “conspiracy theorists” have been saying for nearly a year, that the plan is for multiple mandatory shots every year in perpetuity. And no lifting of restrictions, ever.

403170 ▶▶ stevie, replying to nickbowes, 1, #591 of 1937 🔗

Well the government have ordered over 400 million doses.

403175 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to nickbowes, #592 of 1937 🔗

If Janssen is approved it’s once and done.

403094 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 33, #593 of 1937 🔗

Congratulations, you have located your village idiot.

403109 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #594 of 1937 🔗

Gah, I meant to XXX out the location. But fuck it, I’ve done it now.

Anyway, having now skimmed the comments it sadly seems that our village has several candidates for the role of chief idiot.

403196 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to mattghg, 3, #595 of 1937 🔗

Good to know – when we go full Mad Max they’ll be the first to lose their minds. They might have some useful gear….

403098 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 29, #596 of 1937 🔗

So, let me just check where we are:

  • Detention centres set up.
  • Coerced vaccination on the cards.
  • Scary new variants used to justify continued restrictions, and another round of vaccinations in the autumn.

It’s all coming together, isn’t it?

403142 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 13, #597 of 1937 🔗

The transformation of society into a technocratic slave state is a foregone conclusion. The British people are broken and defeated. We are now in the process of going through the formalities.

403157 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richard O, 8, #598 of 1937 🔗

Sadly you are right. We were easy targets though, being a high compliance society. Other countries take to the streets, and we just grumble.

403177 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to this is my username, 14, #599 of 1937 🔗

We don’t even grumble anymore. A pathetic, sorry, empty shell of our former selves that will be reduced to total slavery and penury without so much as a whimper of resistance. Given how supine our compliance has been, I might add that this is thoroughly deserved.

403473 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #600 of 1937 🔗

I can’t believe I forgot to mention:

  • Plummeting birth rates leading to DEPOPULATION!
404481 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, #601 of 1937 🔗

Depopulation by vaccine is much quicker, but too obvious if there is a sizeable section of unvaccinated refuseniks. Hence the all out drive to vaccinate, followed by coercion and then mandates.

403100 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 2, #602 of 1937 🔗

It will be very interesting seeing what council tax will be hiked to. Mine has been going up by 2% every year for reasons not clear.

What if they double it to pay for Covidicy?

403114 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to mhcp, 1, #603 of 1937 🔗

They have already allowed Councils to increase it by up to 5% this year.

403179 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mhcp, #604 of 1937 🔗

They have been allowed in the last couple of years to increase it for social care mostly and the worthless PCC boondoggle.

403102 Crystal Decanter, 2, #605 of 1937 🔗

Where are the drone strikes when you need them ?

403104 Victoria, 16, #606 of 1937 🔗

PCP Set To Proceed Against Architects of COVID-1984 Scamdemic
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Distortion & Spin

 Our adversaries are now so concerned that the masses are waking up to the lethal nature of ‘vaccine adverse events’ that they are even pretending a sadly deceased centenarian didn’t have the COVID jab, shortly before he died of the symptoms it is known to cause or exacerbate [pneumonia].

Despite the fact that Sky News covered his first dose of the COVID vaxx being administered, a few days before he passed on, the rest of the mainstream media are shamelessly asking why that didn’t happen.

Meanwhile, otherwise healthy people are dropping down dead at the rate my friend, the prolific Scouse polymath, Mark Oakford and I predicted a few weeks ago; others are suffering paralysis and a whole host of newly acquired lifelong or fatal conditions.

Common Denominator

Most crucially, the only common denominator between them all is that they had mRNA spiked flu and/or COVID jabs, shortly before the onset of the often fatal adverse events.

In addition, there is also circumstantial evidence which suggests the current batch of shots could be killing as many as two thirds of the over-65’s, as the endless stream of post-vaxx deaths in care homes around the world horrifyingly affirms.

It is therefore way past time the People demand that immediate action must be taken to lift the unlawful suspension of autopsies.

Lift The Suspension of Autopsies

I therefore beseech every Briton who reads this post to demand, from the bottom of your heart, shouting it from the rooftops, that autopsies must be performed on everybody who allegedly dies of COVID-19 from henceforth.

In the event there is one courageous and honourable high court judge left in this country, who happens across this post, in the names of justice, freedom and right, you must declare an order of the court’s own motion to that effect, at your earliest opportunity.

Should such a high court declaration be made, independent autopsies would determine the actual causes of death, rather than merely assuming COVID-19 was the cause, without examining the dead bodies.

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Demand For Autopsies

For the purposes of which, the People’s Union of Britain will serve notice on the UK Government Cabinet Office, demanding that the suspension of autopsies be lifted and that all lockdown regulations are suspended with immediate effect, pending the gathering of evidence during the proposed 90 day Vaxx and PCR Strike, the outcome of which we intend to rely on as incontrovertible prima facie evidence in the PCP.

The PUB has already set aside £10 million worth of cryptocurrency, to offer financial assistance to any NHS employees who lose their jobs and fall on hard times, as a result of refusing to administer criminal government policy. More funds can be raised, as and when required, which would naturally cover potential legal costs.

Moreover, if what we are alleging in the PCP is true [and it most certainly is], as a result of a nationwide Vaxx and PCR Strike, we would witness a rapid decline and flat-lining in both ‘COVID’ deaths and reported cases, much like we saw between June and September 2020, at the end of the 2019-20 national ‘vaccination’ programme’s adverse events window.

Thereby proving that the UK Government’s ‘vaccination’ programme is entirely founded upon a series of unequivocally dishonest statements, each of which was deliberately intended to create the circumstances required to justify the measures imposed, for the purposes of procuring material gain for themselves, Bill Gates and Big Pharma stakeholders. Fraud-in-the-factum, by another name.

https://www.thebernician.net/pcp-set-to-proceed-against-architects-of-covid-1984-scamdemic/

403108 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 36, #607 of 1937 🔗

Boyfriend’s university graduation has just been ‘postponed’. More like cancelled – last year’s cohort was also cancelled, so not sure how they’re going to get two years’ worth of graduates who have left university and gone into the job market (or lack thereof) back for a day a couple of years down the line. It won’t be the same. The whole point of graduation is that it happens at the end of university; it is a culmination and celebration of three years’ hard work.

So much has been taken from young people for so little. They are also expected to pick up the tab for this insanity. It is so cruel and psychotic that I don’t have the words to express my anger.

403122 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Poppy, 28, #608 of 1937 🔗

It’s horrific what’s been done to the young. I hate what’s happening with all my heart and soul but I’m 49 and have had quite an adventurous life, certainly in my twenties. Seeing my children confined like this makes me incandescent with rage and hatred.

403244 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #609 of 1937 🔗

So true. My generation were punks, football hooligans and latterly ravers, I wonder how they would have reacted to this? Come on young people, you have nothing to lose but your futures.

403135 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Poppy, 11, #610 of 1937 🔗

The first backlash against the system from the young will be university admissions this year. I expect the numbers to be considerably down. This might wake up the professors who have been enjoying their work from home comforts.

403149 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #611 of 1937 🔗

This might wake up the professors who have been enjoying their work from home comforts.

Professors? Worried about the economics of their institution? Not bloody likely.

If they are threatened with redundancy they’ll just throw a fit until Sunak prints them some money to keep the institutions and the jobs going.

403158 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to JHUNTZ, #612 of 1937 🔗

From the admissions data I’ve seen so far, numbers are looking pretty good.

403215 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to landt2020, #613 of 1937 🔗

Yep, I have two kids starting uni this year and from what I gather, very few have been put off. Can’t say I envy them.

403243 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to landt2020, #614 of 1937 🔗

How about those lucrative foreign post-grads?

403313 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AidanR, #615 of 1937 🔗

That’s true the Chinese in particular are big business for the universities.

403331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #616 of 1937 🔗

…as long as they are not taught to exercise free speech!

403159 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #617 of 1937 🔗

I hope this will be the case. However young people have so few alternative options now that I fear they will get sucked into university by default. I got a job after A-levels and went to university a couple of years later when I had figured out what I was aiming for in the longer term. In my area in the 90s there were plenty of jobs to go around. What options do our school/college leavers have now?

403308 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #618 of 1937 🔗

I’d have thought trades would be up. Construction is in desperate need of skilled labour.

403316 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #619 of 1937 🔗

wish i’d been trained as a plumber.. If i have to wade through shit it would be nice to be getting paid for it

403162 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JHUNTZ, -1, #620 of 1937 🔗

Don’t make gross airy assumptions parallel to those of Covidiots.

University staff as a body have not “ been enjoying their work from home comforts”.

Write about what you know instead of fantasizing.

403240 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 3, #621 of 1937 🔗

I know two professors who haven’t left the house since last March.

Both seem to be in good spirits.

403311 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, 3, #622 of 1937 🔗

“This might wake up the professors who have been enjoying their work from home comforts.”
can’t see where that statement alludes to the university staff as a body. I read it that it specifically refers to those professors who have been working from home and enjoying it .
There may well be lots of professors who hate the current situation .
However what Jhuntz says is not a gross airy assumption.
You do have a habit of quickly (and not always accurately) going for people who make a statement that does not tie in with your position or is off piste as far as you are concerned
You do also make a lot of good and interesting points though so keep that up!!!

403602 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to RickH, 2, #623 of 1937 🔗

Uni academics (which doesn’t mean all uni staff, you’re correct) are some of the most stereotypically middle-class, hardcore #FBPE, wokey lefties you’ll ever meet. I’m in no doubt that many (not all) of them have been enjoying themselves massively. (Apologies – am in an angry mood at the mo)

403264 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #624 of 1937 🔗

The opposite. No apprenticeships, no jobs. They will be high demand for education because there isn’t anything else.

403246 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Poppy, -3, #625 of 1937 🔗

Does he object?
Does he demonstrate or distribute leaflets etc.?
Does he refuse to muzzle up?
Thought not.
The young are completely into it.
As such, most of them fully deserve it.

403320 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JayBee, 4, #626 of 1937 🔗

I don’t muzzle up.

I have issued stickers however they have all since been peeled down. I personally don’t demonstrate or deliver leaflets as I don’t want to end up on social media and lose my job. As it stands I am a sell out to the system that seeks to enslave us. I would start to canvass more seriously if the population reached a critical mass against this, but we are nowhere near that.

Cancel culture, social media peer pressure have a lot to say for why we are in this mess.

This is a helluva machine we are fighting.

403330 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to JayBee, 13, #627 of 1937 🔗

This is rude and not constructive. ‘Thought not’ – how can you think that when I have said nothing about my boyfriend’s propensity for scepticism. Most of us are not ‘completely into it’ at all – my entire friendship group is sceptical, and as for my bf, he very strongly objects.

403307 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Poppy, 3, #628 of 1937 🔗

I realise how important a graduation ceremony is, but I thought I just mention businesses whose sole job is to do graduations, gown hire, photos etc.
Something most people do not think of.

403457 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 2, #629 of 1937 🔗

Very sad to hear that. They’ve found their university experience already truncated and now for the final insult they can’t even celebrate three years’ of hard work.

Won’t be surprised if the intake will be much lower this year and that even many already at uni will contemplate dropping out and take their chances with whatever jobs they can find. The universities themselves are sitting on a ticking time bomb (or even several), the only question now is what will explode first – financial black holes? court cases against them? The list goes on……

403600 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Poppy, #630 of 1937 🔗

My uni has done the same – graduations set back to spring 2022. I’m staying on for a Master’s anyway so I’m hoping beyond hope that that goes ahead as usual in late 2022/early 2023.

403117 Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 44, #631 of 1937 🔗

My husband mentioned at work the other day in conversation with colleagues that he would not get vaccinated. Then the conversation took a turn indicating that he would be guilty of the deaths of others. Someone on the radio on a phone-in also accused people who don’t get vaccinated of murder.

Am I missing something/being thick? Who is going to be in danger except those who have chosen, like him, not to be vaccinated – and therefore accept any risk that that involves?The only people who I can think of who might be justified in saying “you are putting me at risk” are those who would have liked to be vaccinated but have not been due to health reasons.

403125 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 37, #632 of 1937 🔗

Exactly, if vaccination protects the recipient, then that person doesn’ have to worry about anyone else, whether vaccinated or not.

They are just regurgitating propaganda,

403128 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 30, #633 of 1937 🔗

Masks don’t work – let’s claim that you need to wear them to protect others.
Vaccines don’t work…

403138 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 12, #634 of 1937 🔗

The only people who I can think of who might be justified in saying “you are putting me at risk” are those who would have liked to be vaccinated but have not been due to health reasons .”

That’s enough, for the zealots and for the brainwashed, to make you a murderer. Remember we are not dealing with reason here.

The Hyper-Rationality of Crowds: COVID-19 and the Cult of Anxiety

Imo the place to stand has to be that nobody was held personally responsible for deaths resulting from spreading of colds and ‘flus.

403236 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mark, 5, #635 of 1937 🔗

I am now perfectly OK with being considered a murderer of all those dumb sheep that do not value freedom and individualism.

403143 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 22, #636 of 1937 🔗

The manufacturers of the vaccines don’t even claim that they stop transmission, so the accusation is devoid of logic.

But then again, what aspect of the lives we are now forced to live has any logic to it?

403163 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 8, #637 of 1937 🔗

This is the media narrative – it’s false but since when has that ever stopped people.? These people are just missing the mass rallies and the right salute – they have no concept of freedom, no concept of individual rights or liberty because they were so happy to give theirs up because the Daily Mail told them to.

403195 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 4, #638 of 1937 🔗

As below

  • Others can get protection by getting vaccinated themselves
  • No proof of stopping transmission

Plus

  • Saying no, means quicker vaccination for those behind him in the queue, and their supposed ‘herd protection’ balances any supposed ‘herd protection’ he may have provided. Any by time everyone who want to be vaccinated is vaccinated, hello summer
  • If net harm to hubby of vaccine exceeds net benefit to others by his judgement not morally justified
  • moral decisions of individuals (e.g. not to be vaccinated) should be respected
  • By being vaccinated himself, he puts peer pressure on others to be vaccinated for whom harms exceed benefits, he wouldn’t want someone to be vaccinated to protect him because he’s altruistic that way
403452 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #639 of 1937 🔗

This all goes back to the asymptomatic transmission lie and the non-exclusion of those who have already had Covid from being offered the vaccine.

Since March the advice from NHS/PHE has been if you show main symptoms of Covid (high temp, dry cough) then self-isolate and call doctor/111 if you have difficulty breathing. Now it includes anosmia and the isolation period is 10 days up from 7 originally. You have to have a test now for some reason. After 10 days even if you have a persistent cough you can go out as before.

He should stress that if he evidences any main Covid symptoms he will of course self-isolate for the 10 days then he will be safe enough to go out and also have natural immunity without a vaccine. He therefore isn’t going to be infecting these hypothetical victims being laid at his door. The NHS have always stated “ For most people, COVID-19 will be a mild illness.” if they next try to play the “increasing the pressure on hospital beds” line.

403321 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 5, #640 of 1937 🔗

If anyone tells me that, it may get violent. My reaction this far has been to say I make a point of not discussing medical details, and repeat that until they take the hint.

But if they want to accuse me of murder or that my kids should be vaccinated…I might just go off the reserve.

403507 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #641 of 1937 🔗

Just goes to show that they’re not confident of the whole thing and perhaps there are seeds of doubt at the back of their mind. Because if vaccines work then why should it matter that other people are vaccinated or not?

403592 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 5, #642 of 1937 🔗

What a bunch of brainwashed jerks. If they look around them then will see quite clearly, with their own eyes, that there is no deadly virus or pandemic stalking this land. There is a seasonal respiratory virus no more no less. It is lethal for the 75yrs+ with two or more comorbid conditions and probably 12 months to live (quoting a GP who wrote an article above the line). The flu in other words.

Respiratory viruses are airborne therefore, transmission between human to human is not a major clinical issue as the virus finds its host(s) mainly in people with a weakened immune system. There is no transmission from surface to person either. Let’s face it, they need to open their eyes, we are not dealing with the bubonic plague here. If it was as deadly as they believe it to be then they would know at least 70 if not more people who had died or were gravely ill with it and around 20 relatives or family members. Shop workers, delivery drivers, health staff, transport personnel would all be dropping like flies. Mobile mortuaries would be deployed around cities and towns to deal with the chronic mortality rates (this being Tesco refrigerated lorries who the Government contract with for this service). The fact is, there are not many excess deaths to speak of and those that are, according to ONS figures I believe, suggest these are deaths at home or in care homes. The fact is, none of this is in evidence.

They need to either get educated about it or shut up. Your husband I hope, stood his ground!

404237 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, #643 of 1937 🔗

If health reasons were a valid reason not to be vaccinated, then nobody would get the needle. Your husband’s work colleagues are woefully ignorant morons and I thank the Lord that I am now retired.

403129 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 4, #644 of 1937 🔗

seeing the state that the country is in if you people could up and move anywhere where would you go?

403134 ▶▶ stewart, replying to pvenkman, 3, #645 of 1937 🔗

Florida?

403156 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to stewart, 1, #646 of 1937 🔗

Nice weather

403144 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to pvenkman, 5, #647 of 1937 🔗

A free US State like Florida or South Dakota. Sweden (just about). Belarus, Tanzania.

403154 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #648 of 1937 🔗

Nice weather in Florida but cheap property in Sweden!

403191 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #649 of 1937 🔗

Brazil, Nicaragua, Uruguay –

403146 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to pvenkman, 2, #650 of 1937 🔗

Brazil or Tanzania.

researching already.

403152 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to rockoman, 1, #651 of 1937 🔗

I don’t much fancy Brazil and will have to look at Tanzania

403193 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to pvenkman, 2, #652 of 1937 🔗

How about Botswana?

403207 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to rockoman, 2, #653 of 1937 🔗

Zanzibar looks lovely. It’s just the mossies that put me off.

403168 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to pvenkman, 7, #654 of 1937 🔗

somewhere with; warm sunny coastlines in summer, sunny ski slopes in the winter, great food and wine and no lockdowns, face nappies or people trying to stab me with untested chemical laden needles.

403209 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 8, #655 of 1937 🔗

I may be shooting from the hip here, but that would appear to rule out Scotland.

403180 ▶▶ Julian, replying to pvenkman, 3, #656 of 1937 🔗

The weather isn’t ideal and the federal govt being in the grip of mad Dems isn’t either, but from what I have seen South Dakota culturally seems to be the soundest – by culturally sound I don’t mean it is perfect but that the belief in personal freedom and responsibility is most profoundly ingrained

403225 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 3, #657 of 1937 🔗

I hope Texas announces their secession and that others, incl. Florida, then join up with it.

403228 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Julian, 1, #658 of 1937 🔗

Does it allow citizens to possess firearms? If yes, I think that would swing it for me.

403325 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #659 of 1937 🔗

Yes, without a permit, concealed or not

403197 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to pvenkman, 2, #660 of 1937 🔗

I would do a Branson….

403204 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to cloud6, 14, #661 of 1937 🔗

Grow your hair and become an unbearable cunt?

403214 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to pvenkman, 2, #662 of 1937 🔗

Tristan da Cuhna
British citizens – no maskochists

403235 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to pvenkman, 1, #663 of 1937 🔗

My first response is somewhere warm. However, one of these days, I will inherit a croft in the North of Scotland – that may be a better bet however cold it is,

403270 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to pvenkman, 1, #664 of 1937 🔗

Utah. Been there on holiday three times in previous years – brilliant state. Scenic, lovely people, excellent climate….no lockdown!!!

403277 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to pvenkman, #665 of 1937 🔗

Any lockdown free state but alas I have family here and I am not willing to take a shot every year. So stuck in GB.

403137 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 17, #666 of 1937 🔗
403155 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basileus, 6, #667 of 1937 🔗

why has Gates given the BBC $51million?
why does he throw money at main stream media outlets?

403165 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Major Panic, 8, #668 of 1937 🔗

For propaganda purposes.

403171 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Major Panic, 3, #669 of 1937 🔗

If you go to the website at the bottom of the image you can search the database to see what grants have been given.

I had a quick look and one example of a BBC grant is:
Grantee: BBC Media Action Year: 2019 Issue: “Water, Sanitation and Hygiene” Program: Global Growth & Opportunity Amount:$2,994,305

403178 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to EssieSW, 5, #670 of 1937 🔗

I didnt realise the BBC had problems with their water, sanitation and hygiene – but it does explain a few things – but we can be certain the money will not have bought influence because that would be wrong

403182 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Major Panic, 12, #671 of 1937 🔗

The BBC have problems that can only be cured by fire.

403186 ▶▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Major Panic, 1, #672 of 1937 🔗

There were also a few grants over the years to the BBC and WHO under the issue of “ Global Health and Development Public Awareness and Analysis” as early as 2009

403184 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Major Panic, 4, #673 of 1937 🔗

so when they do a news item “according to a study carried out by” it will almost certainly be Imperial College

403239 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basileus, 3, #674 of 1937 🔗

They forgot GAVI, which wouldwide has received over $4.2bn according to the Gates Foundation site. The UK arm of GAVI of course headed by Neil “The Grim Reaper” Furgusson.

403303 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #675 of 1937 🔗

GAVI is something to do with constant world population vaccination – but I though Furgusson was a mathematician, and shit one at that…

403520 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Major Panic, #676 of 1937 🔗

Ferguson is the Acting Director of the Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium

https://www.vaccineimpact.org/resources/VIMC_orgchart_2019.pdf

403183 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #677 of 1937 🔗

Just thinking out loud here…

The way I see it, the main purpose for coughing and sneezing when we have an infection is to reduce the infection that is building up within us. If we didn’t release it would keep building up faster. The fact that it also potentially passes the infection onto others is secondary to the main purpose of ejecting it from our bodies.

Viral load is therefore the primary determinent of how severely an individual is affected. The body has multiple layers of protection, i.e. the skin, nose hairs, tonsils, innate and adaptive immunity plus others that I can’t think of right now.

We likely spend every moment of our lives getting infected with countless viruses that will rarely cause any issues. Our exposure to these keeps our immune system primed. It’s like the scene in The Princess Bride where the main protagonist, Westley, drinks some poison and reveals that he’s been building up his immunity to it by exposing himself to trace amounts every day for years.

In a recent review of occupations most affected by this virus the top few jobs involved lorry drivers, taxi drivers, cleaners and bouncers.

It is often claimed that the most risky occupations are those that involve mixing with high numbers of people. But this doesn’t explain why a lorry driver would be at higher risk of death. I surmised that these are generally occupations that have an increased risk to higher viral loads.

I suggest that it is not catching the virus that is the risk but rather how we deal with it after infection that is the greatest risk. An infected lorry driver sitting in an enclosed cabin for hours will build up their viral load. An infected security guard wearing a mask for hours will build up their viral load. A sick person lying in bed in an enclosed room will build up their viral load (if you’ve ever been drunk and woken up the next morning to a room stinking of alchohol you’ll have an idea of this effect).

That’s my general thinking on this for the moment. I’m sure I’ll have plenty of time to think it through a bit more.

I still maintain my belief that we’re looking at things completely wrongly and many of the actions taken rather counter intuitively make things worse not better.

403245 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #678 of 1937 🔗

There’s certainly an argument that spread at lower viral loads creates safer spread because it gives everyone a chance to fight it off before viral load of virus in the body is too high. And then when a higher viral load is encountered later your immune memory is able to deal with it easier. Lockdowns potentially push initial spread into higher viral load environments (e.g. care homes and hospitals).

Some studies on this, but evidence is weak. But high viral load transmission and/or absence of asymptomatic spread are good candidates to explain why lockdowns don’t seem to work at all in reducing direct covid death.

Higher death rate in lorry drivers may be because they have more sedentary lifestyles and are in poorer health/metabolic health. While the ONS adjusted for sex and age in comparing rates (age standardised mortality) they didn’t account (please correct me if wrong) for weight or metabolic health which are associated with the worse outcomes.

403187 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #679 of 1937 🔗

Do vit D, HCQ, Ivermectin, etc work against the variant mutants?

403254 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 4, #680 of 1937 🔗

Yes. Always take HCQ with Zinc

Normally mutations decrease the virulence of a virus, however due to lockdowns / social isolation this process is slower

403258 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Major Panic, 4, #681 of 1937 🔗

My understanding is that the treatments work against some of the extreme effects of the infection i.e. cytokinin storm and thus they would be effective against any mutant that gives those symptoms.

403188 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #682 of 1937 🔗

re the German ‘revelations’: here’s an excerpt from ‘ Corona False Alarm? ‘ by Drs. Karina Reiss & Sucharit Bhakdi, published in September 2020:

“…..It came to light in May, when a previously confidential document appeared on the website of theGerman Ministry of the Interior. The shocking contents confirmed circulating rumours. The document, dating to mid-March, was the minutes of a meeting of the coronavirus task-force. There one was astounded to learn that fear-mongering was the official agenda created to manage the epidemic. All the pieces of the puzzle then fell into place. Everything had been planned. The high numbers of infections were purposely reported because the numbers of deaths “would sound too trivial”. The central goal was to achieve a massive shock effect.Three examples are given how to stir up fears in a general population:
1) People should be scared by a detailed description of dying from Covid-19 as “slow drowning”. Imagining death through excruciating slow suffocation incites the most dread.
2) People should be told that children were a dangerous source of infection because they would unwittingly carry the deadly virus and kill their parents.
3) Warnings about alarming late consequences of SARS-COV-2 infections were to be scattered. Even though not formally proven to exist, they would frighten people. [Hello there Handbag!]
Altogether this strategy would enable all intended measures to be implemented with general acceptance by the public.”

This information is therefore not new; its been in the public domain for about 10 months. Young Jonny’s lazy repetitions of mainstream ‘news’ are beginning to bore us. We’re looking forward to his discovery of the SPI-B minutes from last March; should be any day now.
AG

403206 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #683 of 1937 🔗

What was new at the weekend was the degree of coordination between the Interior Ministry and the scientists which has now emerged, and that the government had already decided to introduce ‘preventative and repressive’ measures’, and told the scientists to cone up eith the justification.

403317 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #684 of 1937 🔗

The Minister for Health in Northern Ireland openly admitted they were fear mongering in July

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52988131

403189 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #685 of 1937 🔗

I owe neither of them anything. The old man was used for propaganda purposes in the most cynical way.

403256 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 6, #686 of 1937 🔗

he can’t have been too worried about covid himself as he swanned off to barbados on holiday

403192 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #687 of 1937 🔗

There is a disappointment that LD is not discussing the vaccine in a more interesting manner with different views, different angles.UK expecting many deaths after vaccine due to vaccinating many frails, versus discussion between statisticians about plausibility of deaths from vaccine,C-19 or other. Also a fascinating discussion why Israel, Gibraltar, Seychelles and UAE had so many infections and C-19 deaths after introducing vaccines, was it just bad luck with a raging new variant C-19 or other explanation?
I would find that debate more interesting than pontification about the vaccine campaign in UK.

To end this with a link pro vaccine in some aspects but not for universal vaccination

https://twitter.com/FrankfurtZack/status/1358677659925045248

Carehome in Germany,Osnabruck
14 days after the second shot 14 seniors infected with C-19 UK variant.But nobody seriously ill,light symptoms many asymptomatic.
The vaccine works 2weeks after 2 nd dose reduced symptoms as we hoped.But didn’t stop transmission.
Vaccine works but herd immunity through vaccination is not possible and indeed not necessary

403248 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to swedenborg, 2, #688 of 1937 🔗

The articles do seem to have become some what benign ATL.

403279 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, 2, #689 of 1937 🔗

They think it was brought in by staff, how else would they have the “british variant”?
Like Bodo Schiffmann recently said, if you look for something, you’ll find it. No-one looked for Sars until early 2020. When did they start frequencing the “virus”?
Fuellmilch recently told the public about a care home in Berlin where 31 residents got the jab, 7 died, at the time of talking to the press another person was dying. They are in talks with families and have alerted the police and on behalf of some families are starting legal procedures.

403569 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Silke David, #690 of 1937 🔗

Thank God for good people such as Fuellmilch. We need many more with his conviction, passion and intellectual abilities.

403542 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #691 of 1937 🔗

The problem is the availability of reliable data.

403199 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 32, #692 of 1937 🔗

I’ve had a few weeks off from visiting sceptical websites and media after concern from my husband that it was negatively affecting my mental health. I can conclude that I’ve certainly been feeling less low than I was at the start of the year. However, I can’t change my fundamental view that lockdowns are wrong, the experimental vaccines are worrying, and the government has sold us out to a wider agenda – and I find the MSM infuriating. I’m torn between keeping my sanity (having had clinical depression in the past) and wanting to keep my eyes wide open. I worry that I (and many people like me) will succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth.

403220 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Chloe_, 16, #693 of 1937 🔗

succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth

The government are banking on this, and it is working. Once you have seen the lies there is no way of unseeing them, so all this does is intensify your humiliation. Accepting as true what you know to be false.

This often repeated quote from Theodore Dalrymple bears thinking about:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

403227 ▶▶▶ Chloe_, replying to Richard O, 1, #694 of 1937 🔗

Wonderful quote, thank you

403294 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richard O, 6, #695 of 1937 🔗

That goes with the article in the DM today abdout the highly transmissable SA strain with the 147 cases. Obviously it’s not highly transmissable. The congnitive dissonance should be serious by now.

403326 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to this is my username, 11, #696 of 1937 🔗

Fuck me, it’s like Hypochondriac Top Trumps.

403461 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to this is my username, #697 of 1937 🔗

also not more dangerous that other variants

403552 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to this is my username, 4, #698 of 1937 🔗

The WHO comprehensively refuted that it increased transmission or that it was any more lethal than that which we have at the moment. They cited the evidence provided by their tracking of these variants since September. So this really is one whopping big lie and shameless propaganda. The wheels really are coming off now if they have to resort to this idiocy.

403322 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richard O, 13, #699 of 1937 🔗

This is how they’ve controlled people. One simple line in the mask guidance… “your covering should fit tightly over your face but you should be able to breathe normally.” Every single rational, thinking human being knows that this is a ridiculous statement. But they still put masks on their faces. Their basic function of making sense of the world has been hijacked. So now they believe anything about strains and untested vaccines and illegal parties being the reason we are not allowed out of lockdown.

Chloe – never let go of your rational mind and your integrity. They can NEVER take those from you, no matter what. So many are suffering. Step away from these sites for long periods to help your mental health. Focus on thing that make you happy – even the smallest things. And remember that so many people feel EXACTLY as you do.

403431 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #700 of 1937 🔗

Hear, hear!

403561 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #701 of 1937 🔗

Has anyone here read the Phillip K Dick book The Adjustment Team or seen the film of it The Adjustment Bureau? What you say CNC is starkly stated there. It urges people to stay true to themselves and never let the system take the one thing that is yours which is, as you say, your rational mind and your personality.

Now, I would say Phillip K Dick knows a thing or two about this as he spent a lot of his life in psychiatric hospitals with schizophrenia.

403902 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #702 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely. The bastards will never convince me that 2 + 2 = 5.

404333 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #703 of 1937 🔗

It is the MSM that is the main danger.

403222 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Chloe_, 11, #704 of 1937 🔗

“I worry that I (and many people like me) will succumb to the propaganda just because it’s mentally easier to cope with than the truth.”

I keep rereading real mortality numbers etc just to remind myself of the truth.

403275 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to norwegian, 2, #705 of 1937 🔗

Where is the best place to see these? Excess deaths and false attribution to COVID always convinces me when I see them. When I see there are usually x (lots) deaths from dementia and this year there are very few it convinces me that things are being cooked

403565 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to norwegian, 3, #707 of 1937 🔗

Yes. It is important to stick with the truth. Fear will keep prisoners hope will set them free.

404338 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to norwegian, #708 of 1937 🔗

Ridiculous nonsense is never easier to live with than the truth.

403230 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Chloe_, 9, #709 of 1937 🔗

Yes, it is a strain to cope with reality and many shy away

I find sites like this helpful because they remind me I am not alone, but equally being reminded of the extent of the madness and evil may get you angrier or sadder than is healthy

403238 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Chloe_, 6, #710 of 1937 🔗

As you’ve said, you can’t change your fundamental view, so you need not fear succumbing to the propaganda. I am sure that I would find it slightly easier to cope with my life being shut down if I believed that it was all for the greater good and absolutely necessary but that would never have been possible for me (or you, by the sound of it). Protect yourself in whatever way you need to – your eyes are already wide open and you definitely need your sanity for now and the future.

403424 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #711 of 1937 🔗

I definitely have found that people who have bought into the scam are not as depressed and down as I am. If you believe all the lies and truly believe we are fighting against a big threat then the horror of lockdown is not as strong. It is the very fact that I know the truth that makes the life I am now living seem all the more unbearable.

404330 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Chloe_, #712 of 1937 🔗

Stay totally away from the MSM, it’s not good for your physical or mental health.

403201 jhfreedom, 21, #713 of 1937 🔗

How to destroy the case for lockdowns in one sentence.

“Mental anguish takes years from your life, so I am not locking down my family only for them to get depressed and anxious for the sake of preserving the life of an unknown 83 year old (average age of Covid death).”

Loneliness and Social Isolation Linked to Serious Health Conditions (cdc.gov)

If there was any doubt as to the moral case for ignoring lockdowns, then this reasoning destroys any vestiges of it. I will argue this with my Maker when the time comes and sleep well in my bed until then.

403202 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 27, #714 of 1937 🔗

So, in the nearish future I will get the “call-up” for the magic juice. For several reasons I don’t want to take it, e.g:

  • the personal risk of Covid is very low for me relative to the unknown risks of the vaccine;
  • it legitimises the hysteria of the past year and of lockdown as a valid response to each new nasty virus (or variant);
  • it’s an act of collaboration in making our bodies the property of the state.That only if we are medicated on a regular basis will the state graciously allow to live some sort of normal life.

In the short-term, I can easily reject the jab as not having it will not impact my life, but some time in the future I will be allowed to (and want to) travel and there is no doubt that vaccination will be required. The vac may well be required for even more basic activities such as restaurants and museums.
I want to stick to my principles and I know I will feel resentful and self-disgusted if I succumb to the blue pill / allow the alien pods to overcome me, but I also want to live my life with some normality.
I’m sure many here are wrestling with the same issues. Any thoughts?

403208 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PhilipF, 9, #715 of 1937 🔗

there’s no rush, why not just wait and see, things may change.

There may even be a nasal spray vaccine coming along, don’t know how it works but does sound less worrying for anyone who would like this type of protection

403532 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Major Panic, 7, #716 of 1937 🔗

I think that this will blow itself out. As we are being deluged with so much propaganda, fake news and industrial levels of censorship, the whole thing has become fraught with hysteria but it has a limit. I think signs are showing that the public have had enough and are now, not only bored, but beginning to see the truth, it is beginning to emerge. I see and hear a lot more people angry now and voicing more sceptical views than in recent times.

I think actually, the hysteria has almost reached saturation level, fewer and fewer people are paying attention now, especially in the under 65yrs. I think it will blow itself out sooner rather than later. It doesn’t look like that now but TBH, the Govt hasn’t really got much elsewhere to go with this. They’ve backed themselves into a one way street with little or no room for manouvre.

So, I agree, Philip F, just wait and bide your time, things will change it just doesn’t look that way at the moment but it will.

403211 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to PhilipF, 16, #717 of 1937 🔗

We can only hope for some excellent fake certificates on the dark web, or even eBay. Plenty to be earned.

403212 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PhilipF, 4, #718 of 1937 🔗

Same.
Wait for a traditional, recombinant one, for as long as you can.
The Novavax seems to be the first one available in that category.
Possibly: rather try to get the traditional non-recombinant Chinese (Sinopharm) one before any mRNA/vector ones.

403232 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JayBee, 1, #719 of 1937 🔗

According to their website:

https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology#recombinant-nanoparticle-vaccine-technology

“Our recombinant nanoparticle vaccine technology combines the power and speed of genetic engineering to efficiently produce a new class of highly immunogenic particles that target a variety of viral pathogens.

403366 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard O, 7, #720 of 1937 🔗

Dr. Judy Mikovits:

… the absurdity of giving a COVID-19 vaccine to healthy people who would already most likely have natural immunity.

So now you’re going to inject an agent, into every cell in the body. I just can’t even imagine a recipe for anything other than what I would consider mass murder on a scale where 50 million people will die in America from the vaccine.

If we don’t stop this now, we can not only forget our Republic and our freedom, but we can forget humanity, because we’ll be killed by this agenda.

403280 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JayBee, 2, #721 of 1937 🔗

What else will they add?

403284 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JayBee, 3, #722 of 1937 🔗

Recombinant is mRNA.

403217 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to PhilipF, 7, #723 of 1937 🔗

There will always be exceptions, people who simply can’t take the vaccine for whatever reason. I think you’ll be able to avoid it until it’s no longer a big thing any more.

403250 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Achilles, 7, #724 of 1937 🔗

I agree, Achilles. I think it will be a long time before we will be able to travel as we once did (if ever) and by that time the fuss will have died down. Those of us who neither want nor believe we need this medical intervention still have time on our side at the moment.

403348 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Achilles, 4, #725 of 1937 🔗

Allergies.
get them

403381 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #726 of 1937 🔗

I never thought I’d say this, but – I’m thankful for my allergies!

403541 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Crystal Decanter, #727 of 1937 🔗

Got some!! Allergic to medical stitches, quite a few types of medical plasters and allergic rashes around the left eye (exacerbated if a mask is worn which it is not)!!

403221 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to PhilipF, 7, #728 of 1937 🔗

Yes, here too. I want to live again despite every part of me believing that none of this adds up. I believe there will be push back but not from within this cowed and spineless population – people will fight back but it will be, firstly, from somewhere like France or Italy and then hopefully our “elites” will run away.

403297 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to nickbowes, 7, #729 of 1937 🔗

About time we in this country got something moving. We have to stand under Common Law and take control away from the traitors who have usurped the levers of government.

403543 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to nickbowes, 1, #730 of 1937 🔗

Copenhagen this week.

403229 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PhilipF, 5, #731 of 1937 🔗

I worry that the government will treat any new virus as lockdown until a vaccine. It will end in tears one day

403234 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PhilipF, 5, #732 of 1937 🔗

Always make an informed decision before taking any vaccine or drug. If you are happy with the risks then go for it

403324 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 2, #733 of 1937 🔗

The question is, “How can we evaluate the risks if there is no independent source of requisite information?” The ‘government’ will hide and deny the most serious incidents or deny that they are related to the vaccine.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, for instance, presents a very different perspective.

403252 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to PhilipF, 7, #734 of 1937 🔗

Me: No Scam-09 vaccine, no flu vaccines and no Scam-19 vaccine. “Freedom pass” no thank you, I’ll find my freedom elsewhere.

403546 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to norwegian, #735 of 1937 🔗

Well said.

403260 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to PhilipF, 19, #736 of 1937 🔗

I’ve got to my early sixties and have been lucky with my health. I have moved to a place I love, with the person I love and plan to be active outdoors for as long as possible. Neither of us is going to risk 10-20 years of hopefully good life to take a potion that has been engineered as the “solution” from day one (and now unsurprisingly isn’t the solution). I will not be coerced into it in exchange for being able to travel or any other “treats” which may be offered or withdrawn by our abusers. I see it as a trap. If it means social exclusion then so be it. Having said all that, it’s your decision obviously.

403420 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to godowneasy, 1, #737 of 1937 🔗

Our perspective on this has a lot to do with our age – being the same age as you, I agree. But it looks very different from a young’s person’s perspective, doesn’t it?

403429 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Alice, #738 of 1937 🔗

Completely agree – that’s why they are so keen to jab the younger adults (and kids eventually) even though they don’t need it in the first place!

403263 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PhilipF, 17, #739 of 1937 🔗

Got my call, yesterday at 7pm, they are working hard or desperate. Told the very pleasant woman that no I was not going to have it yet, would wait until it wasnt ‘experimental’, she just said ok, will take your name off the list so you arent bothered again.

403210 Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 9, #740 of 1937 🔗

This is a fascinating article especially for all us asking how we stop what is happening, tell stories to help people wake up. Written in 2019 but is so very telling about the elite and how our lives are ruled.

Dissidents Must Understand The Difference Between Fact And Narrative – Caitlin Johnstone

403223 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ambwozere, 3, #741 of 1937 🔗

interesting website, thanks

403233 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #742 of 1937 🔗

I like Caitlin Johnstone. Maybe not her politics so much, but she is certainly insightful.

403276 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #743 of 1937 🔗

It is good, within its limitations.

Russiagate didn’t gain traction because it’s factually accurate, it gained traction because it’s a scandalous story about the president of the United States conspiring with nefarious forces and being blackmailed over a night of water sports with Russian prostitutes .”

In part, but mostly because it was systematically pushed and protected by hugely powerful political, media and big tech factions, enabled by largely voluntary and unpaid zealotry on the part of countless Trump-derangement suffering activists, influencers and placemen. You can’t easily just buy that kind of effort.

There are a lot of great alternative media outlets out there, and a lot of good dissident politicians and activists, but the problem they run into again and again is that they often stay calm and monotonous while repeating cold, hard facts. This is a problem because while they’re trying to calmly fight the status quo using raw data, the establishment is using sparkly narratives in all the right places. They’re appealing to emotions, they’re condensing their stories into catchy 20-second sound bytes, and they’re using facts only when facts help advance the narrative.

The problem is that those using flashier methods either get no attention because they are intentionally not reported, or they get actively closed down as “fake news”. In the case of conservative sites, they are actually denied access to basic banking and internet facilities in order to silence them.

And the left fails to stand up for freedom of speech (from “racism” to “transphobia” and “covid denial”, because they don’t like conservatives and true dissidents being allowed to express their opinions in case they persuade people. Too stupid, seemingly, to understand that the hypocritical lies they once told about believing that “either we all have free speech or none of us do”, are actually vitally true.

The problems are a lot deeper than just naive activists not being creative enough..

403293 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mark, 3, #744 of 1937 🔗

Funny how journalists followed the herd even when being critical of it and completely ignored the facts that Russiagate was a hoax. And now Steele himself has admitted to it. You could see this from the night Trump won in 2016 that Podesta was spinning a Russian collusion story. People like Schiff browbeating people too. And what was all that? Horseshit. Just like this “domestic terrorist” stuff now.

The mountain of shit that has accumulated is in direct proportion to the debt mountain and the idea of QE. Easy credit and kicking the can.

Covid is just another chapter in the ruse.

403299 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ambwozere, 1, #745 of 1937 🔗

Shame that in the past year she has done a complete about turn – completely pro-lockdown and pro-vaccine from the beginning, arrogantly slagging off other alt media for challenging the government and the MSM narrative.

403219 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #746 of 1937 🔗

Here is the original pdf of the document in the Welt article today of the German government’s fear tactics. It is translated into English

 https://app.luminpdf.com/viewer/602077e2794f890012a5cfcc

403271 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to swedenborg, 1, #747 of 1937 🔗

Not all of it is translated. Could not select German text to have it translated.

403306 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #748 of 1937 🔗

The same scare tactics used here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52988131

Get the model to fit the play book

403224 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 9, #749 of 1937 🔗

They always need to tediously signal their own virtue and their pursed-lipped disapproval of others’ free choices.

403281 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #750 of 1937 🔗

Yes. It’s a vile way to behave.

403427 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #751 of 1937 🔗

It’s attention seeking made worse by anti-social media.

403226 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 12, #752 of 1937 🔗

If there’s one unsentimental group in society it’s insurance assessors. It will be interesting to see how life insurance premiums will reflect their quantification of the risks of covid, vaccines, etc.

403266 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Achilles, 6, #753 of 1937 🔗

Very good point.

If the ‘pandemic’ has no effect on premia, then we can safely assume there is no pandemic.

If you can’t insure yourself against vaccine damage, then we can safely assume that that is because vaccinations are too dangerous, or because the risk is impossible to calculate.

If you can insure yourself against vaccine damage, then premium and payut allow you to calculate the actuarially assessed risk precisely.

403336 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to rockoman, 2, #754 of 1937 🔗

The real question is will life assurance companies load the premiums of the vaccinated or the unvaccinated?

403231 leggy, #755 of 1937 🔗

I thought that area was largely inhabited by students from the theological college. Perhaps some of the CofE have seen the light after all?

403237 Helen, replying to Helen, 8, #756 of 1937 🔗

Data collation & statistical sleights of hand

Two sleights of hand by magicians at the mHRA have vanished the 143 deaths reported on the UK Yellow Card Reports.

Step 1) Individuals with adverse reactions (AR) have been disconnected from their data during the data collation process: Yellow Card Report (non-public data) to Case Series Drug Analysis Print (i.e. the public link below)

Step 2) Deaths of individuals suffering ARs are disconnected from the act of vaccination

Firstly, a magician at the mHRA has collated the data from the Yellow Card Reports under REACTION and DISORDER on the published Case Series Drug Analysis Print (see link below), thereby disconnecting the individual with AR from their other data (age, symptoms etc), unlike the CDC public report system which reports the data of each individual with adverse reaction.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

Secondly, another mHRA magician infers that 143 deaths (19-28/01/2021) is not a statistically significant number within the ‘ several thousands’ (from ONS on age-stratified all-cause mortality in England and Wales) during the 7 day period following vaccination where ‘millions ‘ were vaccinated.

By these sleights of hand, the mHRA magicians have effectively disappeared the 143 deaths into the several thousands of individuals who died during this period, while simultaneously disconnecting them from the act of vaccination.

Here is a strange thing I found in the data.. not sure what to make of it

General Disorders (Pfizer/BioNTech)

Death and

sudden death Total. Fatal

Clinical death               1   1

Death                      59     53

Sudden death. – –

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958616/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

403471 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Helen, #757 of 1937 🔗

Thanks for this information.

Hopefully TOBY & Team has seen this.

People to report and adverse reaction and then keep a print screen of what they reported for their records especially if they want to submit a claim against the government for vaccination damage

403241 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 30, #758 of 1937 🔗

In Douglas Adam’s fifth volume in the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy trilogy, Mostly Harmless, The Perfectly Normal Beasts are animals which migrate on the planet Lamuella twice a year before vanishing completely. The beasts are called “Perfectly Normal” because otherwise their abrupt disappearance might be considered “a bit odd”.

What we seem to be experiencing at the moment is Perfectly Normal Fascism. We didn’t have it before, it appeared out of nowhere in March 2020, and the vast majority of people appear to find nothing strange in it whatsoever. Nationwide house arrest. Police thumping protesters for not wearing a mask. Leaving the country made illegal. Forced detention for anyone entering the country. Healthy children forbidden by law from associating with other healthy children. Serious discussions of vaccination passports. Every day brings yet another, perfectly benign, mundane and completely unexceptional instance of Perfectly Normal Fascism thundering across the plains. And very few people seem to find it even a little bit odd…

Will it ever disappear, though? That’s the part I’m not so sure about.

403251 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Johnsontown, 13, #759 of 1937 🔗

Yes, it will go. These things always seem permanent to those living through them.

403259 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 7, #760 of 1937 🔗

I admire your optimism. In your opinion, how long do you think this new authoritarian system will last?

403287 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 11, #761 of 1937 🔗

Until a new monetary system is in place.

Say 2025.

I think what we are seeing is a sociopolitical crisis caused by a now dysfunctional monetary system.

Almost certainly to be ended by hyperinflation/currency reset.

Popular revolt is very likely before then, as collapsing public finances cut the government’s ability to pay for furlough and essential public services off at the knees.

It will be a vicious circle with the UK being increasinlgly unable to afford imports after a certiain time.

In my opinion the authoritarian system now in place has been installed precisely to try and handle this process.

403329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to rockoman, 6, #762 of 1937 🔗

I find this argument interesting but don’t know enough economics to really grok it – essentially, in my limited understanding, the argument goes that the global financial system is irreparably broken and the powers that be (IMF, World Bank, ECB, Federal Reserve, hedge funds, WEF etc) need a new “Bretton Woods” to get the system working again. This is the true meaning of the Great Reset, just as there was a reset after the Second World War. The coronavirus “crisis” is being exploited to bring this about – firstly through deliberately crashing the economy, and secondly by creating a fog of war in which quite extraordinary and disruptive measures will be accepted by the populace as Perfectly Normal. The masks and the arbitrary social distancing and all the rest of the craziness are chiefly a way of psychologically demoralising and discombobulating the public so we will accept whatever comes next.

But what precisely does come next? And when will this happen? Will it happen gradually, or will there be some big bang moment when the governments of the world simply announce that there will be a huge change? What will the new monetary system actually mean for ordinary people?

And also – if the current global system is indeed completely broken and bankrupt, is there indeed any alternative to a great reset of some sort? What are the alternatives?

To what extent, do you think, is this actually a “conspiracy” (if I can use that loaded word) of powerful individuals? Do you think that Boris Johnson, for example, is consciously aware of all of this, or is he being played by the true global powers? Indeed, is anyone truly aware of what is really going on, in a conscious and calculating way, or is this process a manifestation of the hive mind of global capital. Less a conspiracy, more an impersonal movement of historical forces?

Are there any essays or talks that set all of this out in a way that a layman might try to get his little brain around?

403370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #763 of 1937 🔗

Thank you – you said exactly what I’ve been thinking, and you asked the questions I wanted to ask. In other words, couldn’t have put it better myself!

403385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Johnsontown, 8, #764 of 1937 🔗

When interest rates are near zero, at zero, or below, then your monetary system is finished. Time preference means that rationally interest rates must be positive, at least in nominal terms.

The latest point at which this can occur is when dollar interest rates go negative in nominal terms. At that point all commodities go into backwardation, meaning that futures prices are lower than current cash prices. This stands the financial system on its head.

I don’t think we’ll get that far, ecause at some point before that happens there will be a revulsion against holding currency or bonds, as it dawns on more and more people that the vast production of dollars, pounds and euros is not going to stop.

Perhaps we are seeing this already with commodities prices up 25% since March, although from a low base. China is now stockpiling commodities, grain prices are rising strongly and oil has ad its best start to the year since 1991 (KUwait crisis).

At some point there will be a flood out of financial assets into commodities.

Yes, masks and distancing are meant to make organized resistance more dificult and social control easier. As hyperinflation progresses I would export global trade to grind to a halt, as it would make it much too risky for suppliers to send goods, without knowing the real value of any payment they will receive by the time they get it.

This would have consequences particularly for the supply of essentil goods like food, fuel and medicine, and therefore for the maintenance of social order.

I can understand the use of the tem ‘conspiracy’, but try to use instead the word ‘plan’. Governments make plans to deal wth other disasters like floods and earthquakes, so why we should we be surprised if they have made plans for hyperinflation, either to deal with it, or to try and pre-empt it.

As for what comes after, like everyone else I expect digital currencies. These will probably be in addition to cash, although pronably with tight limits on the size of cash transactions.

403434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 1, #765 of 1937 🔗

Interesting stuff.

I’m thinking that this isn’t a ‘conspiracy’ in the classic sense of a planned event.

Although it may have been part planned in this way, I reckon that actually chaos has taken over after the 2009 collapse of the house of cards.

So ‘conspiracy’ theory circles back to overlapping strands of cock-up that are now out of control, despite some having overblown ego-tripping conspiracy ‘plans’.

403487 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to rockoman, 2, #766 of 1937 🔗

Thanks so much – very interesting. Food for thought indeed. I think we happy few below the line all get that this is about more than the virus. But understanding what is really going on takes us into difficult territory – difficult to understand, difficult to accept. Lots of theories and we should share our ideas. I feel quite sure today that things are not going to go back to how they were, but I really don’t know how this is going to play out. If it wasn’t for my son I’d feel a certain grim frisson of excitement – at least it’s not going to be boring. But as it is, I chiefly feel worried about his future.

403436 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #767 of 1937 🔗

What is interesting is that all political parties are on board. Politicians from the Labour left to the Tory right.

This tells me that what is going on is of overriding importance, and they have all been told that something big is at stake.

I think probably only a few know tthe details.

This would also explain why virtually all countries are on board with the narrative.

Tobias Ellwood tweeted something very interesting at the end of May, remarking that the UK was now entering its biggest crisis since WW2. This, as covid numbers were slumping.

If you want to ger a handle on this I recommend reading Alasdair Macleod:

He posts his essays here once a week:

https://www.goldmoney.com/research/goldmoney-insights

403358 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 1, #768 of 1937 🔗

Other commenters on here have argued that the state will not be able to control the economic collapse. I am not so sure, they have ground us down to such an extent already that when widespread crushing levels of poverty really start to kick in people will be too demoralised and exhausted to do anything about it.

For what it’s worth I see this way of living being in place for at least a generation.

403414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 1, #769 of 1937 🔗

Oh I agree. I don’t think they will be able to control it, but they can see it coming and are going to try.

404358 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, #770 of 1937 🔗

Yes it’s optimistic, but hopelessly misguided.

The globalists and their government minions who are working the Covid scam are now in it too deep to go out with just a whimper. They mean business and that business is depopulation, which is to be brought about by vaccination.

The sheep are now baring their arms with enthusiasm and the reward for their unthinking obedience will be an untimely death.

403290 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Johnsontown, 12, #771 of 1937 🔗

It will disappear once as soon as the proles decide enough is enough.

403309 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Johnsontown, 8, #772 of 1937 🔗

A wonderful analogy!

As humans, we rely on mythologies to understand the world around us, but we never really question them unless specifically looking for them.

As an example – look at the news. Why do they use that tone to deliver news, why the music, why the choice of music, why the desk, why the suits, the posture, the square on seated position, why the scrolling text, why that particular font?

If we start to ask ourselves these questions, we start to understand our mythologies, and the extent of our reliance on them to define who we are and the society we live in. There are surface messages (the content of the news) and deeper messages (the ideas about our society that the presentation promotes). These societal mythologies are reinforced hundreds of times a day.

When people say ‘because that’s the way it’s done’, or that’s ‘normal’ or even the ‘ new normal’, they are appealing to, and promoting, a mythology. And in terms of the ‘new normal’, they are attempting to manipulate our relationship with how we define reality. That’s why we get new terminology, new tropes, new imagery, and a new set of beliefs.

They know exactly what they are doing, exactly how to do it, and would not spend so much time and effort on reshaping our relationship with reality if it was not to promote permanent change.

403534 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #773 of 1937 🔗

Yes – good points. (I read a bit of Barthes, back in the day – an in-depth “Covid mythologies” analysis would be interesting!) Yes, “the old normal” was also a myth – a set of arbitrary customs and practices and beliefs. But it was one that most of us felt comfortable with, and which we wanted to replicate, because much of it (for all of its imperfections) worked reasonably well. It’s remarkable how quickly it has been dismantled and replaced with something new. Living through this is a traumatic experience – and the zealots must surely feel this way, too, but perhaps their coping mechanism is identification with the tyranny (a kind of Stockholm syndrome?)

403409 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Johnsontown, #774 of 1937 🔗

Yep. Me? I’d like to piss off with a ‘Thanks for all the fish.’

403492 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to RickH, #775 of 1937 🔗

Maybe the government should have a new slogan, thinking of that book.

Stay in your home, don’t open your door and step out into the asylum .

403255 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 59, #776 of 1937 🔗

I must say, the energy in the comments section today is palpable. I haven’t seen the anger (rationally expressed) in so many responses as I have today. I am not a regular commenter but I am a regular reader. This energy needs to be used for the good that is intended by the content of the comments. I feel like I belong, but I know none of you!!!

403446 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to GuyRich, 13, #777 of 1937 🔗

I totally agree. This site keeps me sane and lets me know that I am not alone. The majority of my family think that I have lost the plot, but I do know that I would rather be on this side of the fence even if it can sometimes feel a lonely place to be.

403262 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 30, #778 of 1937 🔗

Fear = stress = impaired immune system = more illness = more deaths

Have the Government, their mind warping scientists and the media, with their relentless fear mongering, committed crimes against the British people?

403282 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 15, #779 of 1937 🔗

I’ve concluded its deliberately done to harm us whilst pretending they care!

403285 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #780 of 1937 🔗

well with all those behavioural scientists on hand there a certainly no acceptable excuses of ignorance

403418 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Major Panic, 1, #781 of 1937 🔗

+ locked away from sunshine + no exercise = second wave

403269 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 19, #782 of 1937 🔗

Anyone remember the old volunteers who came forward to deal with the Fukushima disaster? Nearly a decade ago now.

Japan pensioners volunteer to tackle nuclear crisis – BBC News

Not much of this spirit evident amid the Covid panic.

Am not trying to create a generational divide here, but why aren’t the older cohort publicly stepping up and saying “Don’t do this in my name”.

Instead we have just celebrated the life one of their member who has institutionalised the response!!

It has been a feature of the last year that has dismayed me. I like to think if I get to 83 (average age of Covid death) I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me.

403274 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to jhfreedom, 19, #783 of 1937 🔗

“I like to think if I get to 83 (average age of Covid death) I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me.”

Wise words!

403355 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to norwegian, 8, #784 of 1937 🔗

I would go further – I won’t demand anyone sacrifices their futures for me, at any age.

403278 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jhfreedom, 22, #785 of 1937 🔗

I don’t want anyone to sacrifice their human rights or liberties for my welfare. I am quite prepared to look after my own health and if by chance I contract this ‘ virus’ I will avoid the NHS at all costs.

403300 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #786 of 1937 🔗

Fair. And in fact, not having lockdowns is hardly as risky to the elderly as getting irradiated in a damaged nuclear reactor…

403394 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to jhfreedom, 7, #787 of 1937 🔗

I’ve had to walk away from conversation with a couple of elderly family members.
They’re so fucking terrified they expect the youngsters to have their futures destroyed to make them feel safer. I said you’ve had your life think about your grandchildren for a change. Any longer and I’d have probably caused a major rift.
I understand them being terrified but they refuse to look at any evidence except the govt and BBC

403447 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #788 of 1937 🔗

“… why aren’t the older cohort publicly stepping up and saying “Don’t do this in my name” .

Actually, if you get out of your bubble, you will see that many of us are – not least here.

I had a row with a younger member of my family yesterday who was trying to get me to take the snake-oil. One of the arguments was that ‘ People like us have been enduring lockdowns for people like you.’

… which was the point at which I blew a gasket – although I didn’t retaliate with the obvious :

And it’s complicity like yours which has kept the government’s nonsense going.”

403273 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #789 of 1937 🔗

Another 2000 plus jobs lost, merely registers now with the scum in government running the show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55977587

403286 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to nickbowes, 25, #790 of 1937 🔗

Just heard an ‘expert’ on the radio. Came out with a euphemism which I suspect we shall hear more of. He was asked about the increasing risk of more and more businesses becoming insolvent. His response was that many businesses “may well have to rework their business models”. In other words the fault lies with them if they are unable to get themselves out of a financial mess created by the government.

403292 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Dodderydude, 17, #791 of 1937 🔗

Disgusting.

403305 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dodderydude, 17, #792 of 1937 🔗

Yes, like pubs having to rework their business model to exclude alcohol sales.

The government and MSM blaming the people and making them pay for everything is not as much of an outrageous injustice as it first looks. Collectively we bent over backwards to comply without resistance. It is a mark of our hopeless naivete and wilful ignorance that we believed this would turn out any other way.

403478 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Richard O, 3, #793 of 1937 🔗

Remind me: Weren’t they crying out last June for everyone to get back to work in the cities because the coffee houses were all dying because of lack of customers.

In effect, by banning sale of alcohol in pubs, they potential increased the competition to those coffee houses well over 100%, even with the few pubs that would bother opening.

So much for caring for the small high street retailers.

403339 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #794 of 1937 🔗

Reminds me of the time during the 80’s when one comedian said “Unemployment is a rumour spread by those who don’t have a job”

403340 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #795 of 1937 🔗

Yuckspeak. Workers are no longer made redundant, they are ‘impacted’ or ‘offered an opportunity to pursue their career elsewhere’. Same with business. If you’re small and independent you don’t count, even when governed by the supposed ‘party of small business’.

403342 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dodderydude, 13, #796 of 1937 🔗

I heard some lunatic Green woman on the radio a couple of years back tell a plasterer who was asking how he could carry his gear on the tube that he needed to “rethink his mindset.”

403422 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #797 of 1937 🔗

Yes, didn’t the Chancellor say something like this, quite a few months back – something to the effect that many businesses: Weddings, much of Hospitality, would have to function in a totally digital fashion.(good luck with that!?)

403458 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #798 of 1937 🔗

Well, we’ll have Virtual Reality…

403770 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #799 of 1937 🔗

When I worked in engineering, I once spent some time doing quite complex calculations (OK, the computer did the donkey work) and produced some graphical figures. Later the project engineer decided to look at different running conditions and asked me to “rework the figures”. It was all part of the job, but it was a weaselly way of saying “do all your calculations again”!

403288 Ewan Duffy, 4, #800 of 1937 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2021/0208/1195763-politics-economy/

Irish Government warned that the money will run out.

403289 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 11, #801 of 1937 🔗

It was posted yesterday that Nick Rose (LDS name) had recently died. The few comments can be found yesterday if you search yesterdays posts. It would be helpful if someone who knew him could confirm this. I write this because if true it would be nice to offer our condolences in some way. What do others think?

403310 ▶▶ Will, replying to Steeve, 4, #802 of 1937 🔗

Someone called Gill posted the other day that he had died. I think Annie knew him as well.

403318 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Will, #803 of 1937 🔗

Thanks for the reply.

403581 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Will, 6, #804 of 1937 🔗

I’ve met him, but I can’t say I knew him.
I was looking forward to walking some hills with him in the spring. I hope Heaven has good hills for hill walkers.
Don’t be too quick to assume that Nick died of Covid. I reckon the jury is still out.

404231 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Annie, 1, #805 of 1937 🔗

I apologise, Annie, if I was presumptuous.

403351 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steeve, 2, #806 of 1937 🔗
403364 ▶▶ Gill, replying to Steeve, 7, #807 of 1937 🔗

Nick and I had recently started a relationship and I’m in touch with his parents. Just waiting to hear about the funeral arrangements.

403397 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Gill, 5, #808 of 1937 🔗

Sorry for your loss Gill. I missed your post telling us of the sad news. There are so many lovely words written in the comments.

403489 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steeve, 7, #809 of 1937 🔗

As well as Nick, there are quite a few former regulars who we have not heard about for some time. Rosie for example, and the chap whose business partner committed suicide. Some may have left due to losing interest in LS or similar reasons, but regulars who just disappear without trace is always worrying.
Thankyou Gill for keeping us updated on Nick, his loss will hit us here for a very long time.

403291 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 5, #810 of 1937 🔗

So, regarding the ‘vaccines’ being rolled out, which have been ‘approved’ but not ‘licensed’. Does anyone know if the plan is for them to ever be licensed in the normal way, e.g. when the Phase III trials are actually complete? And if they are, will the manufacturers’ indemnification then expire, or will they be indemnified for ever?

403304 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to mattghg, 8, #811 of 1937 🔗

All vaccines are indemnified by the state – because they are so dangerous that not only must the public bear the risk, but the public must also bear the cost when things go wrong.

I will repeat that all vaccines are biblically unclean, and that this new mRNA vaccine is actually gene therapy.

403354 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to this is my username, #812 of 1937 🔗

Why are they gene therapy? Genuine question btw.

403367 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #813 of 1937 🔗

Reverse transcriptases can, and almost certainly will, albeit at a rather low level, ‘backwards’ translate the mRNA into DNA and thence may end up with some incorporated into your nuclear DNA (should you accept the Pfizer jab of course – and I wonder if they will start incorporating it into those blue diamond-shaped pills [just pondering for a friend])..

403412 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #814 of 1937 🔗

Straight from the horse’s mouth, Moderna – “ Recognizing the broad potential of mRNA science, we set out to create an mRNA technology platform that functions very much like an operating system on a computer. It is designed so that it can plug and play interchangeably with different programs.”
Plug & play. like your body is treated like a USB stick!
https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development

403506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #815 of 1937 🔗

I think the FDA suspended the Moderna vaccine.

403517 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #816 of 1937 🔗

This is the start of trans-humanism. This is what the likes of Klaus Shwab want to do to humanity, to change it for ever…and destroy it.

403295 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 27, #817 of 1937 🔗

Its nice to have snow. I can pretend we are snowed in rather than under government coercion.

403301 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 7, #818 of 1937 🔗

Agree. We can relieve the Beast from the East from 3 years ago.

403338 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #819 of 1937 🔗

The year when 130,000 people sadlidied in the UK by the end of February. You must remember the doom and panic at the time?

403357 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #820 of 1937 🔗

Took me a while – but ‘sadly died’, I presume!

403376 ▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to iane, 3, #821 of 1937 🔗

Try nearlydied as well for Covid “survivors”.

403419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to iane, 1, #822 of 1937 🔗

Yep, I saw it on here, Karenovirus or Annie I think 🙂

403574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to iane, 4, #823 of 1937 🔗

Improper use! Only covvies sadlidie.
The rest can kick the bucket, push up the daisies, pass on, pass away, shuffle off the mortal coil, snuff it, breathe their last, turn up their toes, or become ex-parrots, but never sadlidie.

403373 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #824 of 1937 🔗

Yes I remember the death count – are we to expect a resultant sudden increase in Covid deaths this time round?

Perhaps if the govt had spent some of their spaffed furlough money on ensuring that those in fuel poverty could afford to keep warm, we wouldn’t see such a pronounced effect. Maybe even a few lives could be saved…

404488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to A. Contrarian, #825 of 1937 🔗

Nope, none of all this is about saving lives.

403298 isobar, replying to isobar, 21, #826 of 1937 🔗

Back on the subject of vaccines, if the DM readers comments on the article below are in any way representative, what comes through very strongly is the freedom of choice issue. Top rated comment regarding this actually comes from someone who will take the jab!

’Jab for a job’ is LEGAL: Ministers believe companies that force their staff to get the Covid vaccine in order to work would be protected by health and safety laws’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9235025/Bosses-legally-demand-staff-vaccinated-against-Covid-health-safety-laws.html

Best rated

Despite being someone who will accept the jab, along with all other vaccinations I am offered… I find this scary, where is our autonomy? Our freedom of choice? 3775 upticks

Worst rated

Of course you should be able to sack somebody who refuses the jab they are putting others lives at risk. 301 downticks

403369 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 5, #827 of 1937 🔗

If they do this they will have to apply it to every other vaccine available surely? How else does it make sense?

403396 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #828 of 1937 🔗

It doesn’t make sense, but then again, Covid-19 is the ‘special one’

403513 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to isobar, 2, #829 of 1937 🔗

Considering there is no indemnity from the vaccine companies, will employers take responsibility if one of their employees has serious side effects, after taking the forced upon them vaccine?

403319 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #830 of 1937 🔗

The different opinions support group

Seems bizarrely either self-deprecating or unselfaware that this was broadcast on the BBC, of all places, but I suppose that’s down to Ullman rather than the Corporation.

In any case, defund the BBC.

403524 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 2, #831 of 1937 🔗

So funny that 750,000 over 75s refusing to start paying the BBC TV licence

403327 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #832 of 1937 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0208/1195680-covid-ireland/

Headline: Motorists turned back amid cross border travel measures
So much for keeping an open border on the island of Ireland. Irish passport holders in NI blocked from entering the Republic of Ireland.

403379 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #833 of 1937 🔗

It always going to be as such. Strange that I don’t see the Ra making a fuss.

Also strange how the CTA has been ignored

403557 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #834 of 1937 🔗

I am sure I recall Simon Coveney repeatedly asserting that the border in the island of Ireland had to remain open; that this was essential and a matter of international law.

403892 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Steve Hayes, #835 of 1937 🔗

Exactly.

403328 DanClarke, 16, #836 of 1937 🔗

Politicians never change, even through the generations. They destroy, if not in wars, they find something else. Now the destruction of society by vaccine, its pathetic. No wonder they need body guards for the rest of their lives.

403332 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 10, #837 of 1937 🔗

A load of new signs have appeared in my home town. So even though you’re perfectly healthy you still need to be scared and get tested.

Does anyone else have signs like this, or is it just a waste of my council tax.

403341 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Biggles, 12, #838 of 1937 🔗

Nice to see that our scientifically illiterate politicians are spending our money to find out if healthy people are in fact ill.

403380 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #839 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely shocking

403347 ▶▶ mj, replying to Biggles, 4, #840 of 1937 🔗

standard communication that all the councils are told to issue. Mine just puts it on internet and weekly emails. I dont think they are wasting money on posters, but then i dont get out much!!!

403363 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Biggles, 6, #841 of 1937 🔗

Play Your Part has to be one of the most infantile slogans they’ve come up with yet. It’s nursery level language, perhaps used to encourage very young children to tidy up their stuff or put litter in the bin.

403378 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #842 of 1937 🔗

The next one will be ‘its your own time your wasting’

403399 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #843 of 1937 🔗

That sounds like the one ‘Your Country Needs You’, from many years ago. Or the lottery ‘It could be you’.

403566 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #844 of 1937 🔗

Good, let’s put Bozo and the rest of the litter in the bin.

403983 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, #845 of 1937 🔗

It’s what bad actors say.

403372 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Biggles, 4, #846 of 1937 🔗

I haven’t seen any yet but they must be getting desparate to get the numbers up doing this.

403375 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 7, #847 of 1937 🔗

I was thinking about a complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority..

But I guess that ‘1 in 1,000,000’ counts as ‘Up to 1/3’

403389 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Biggles, 8, #848 of 1937 🔗

My aunt lives in that area, they appear to have gone full covid, she can’t go out now as she likes to walk/sit/walk, but the seats are all taped up. They are lunatics, if you asked them to present a good argument for the trash they are doing there would be silence.

403474 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to DanClarke, 7, #849 of 1937 🔗

This makes me seethe with anger (nothing unusual there these days). An older lady wanting to get some exercise, which is good for her health and immune system, can’t have a sit down to rest her legs before she continues on!. I was just going to write what i would like to do with all the collaborators, but it would make me sound like a psycopath.

403744 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hellonearth, #850 of 1937 🔗

Totally agree that she should do that but she is nervous about doing anything, and I dont live near her so can’t get involved which I would love to do. I feel the same, most days ready to explode.

403521 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to DanClarke, 2, #851 of 1937 🔗

Take the tape off. I have RA and I needed to sit down on a taped-up town bench, so I yanked the stupid tape off. Nothing happened.

403395 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Biggles, 3, #852 of 1937 🔗

They can’t even use correct grammar.

403405 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Biggles, 7, #853 of 1937 🔗

Had adverts appearing in the local village booklet thing that they sometimes distribute. Have fired off complaints to the council asking if they can remotely justify the figure, or if they’re simply spreading dangerous conspiracy theories… probably won’t get a straight answer but hey-ho. My council is Tory dominated & the Lib Dems are making themselves seen with their literature, clearly smelling blood & looking for ammo at election time…

403491 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Biggles, 1, #854 of 1937 🔗

Around these parts, we haven’t got anything like this at all and never have had. I don’t think we even have a testing station(s).

403502 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Biggles, 1, #855 of 1937 🔗

We have similar here, Kent. And the local testing is being ramped up.

403503 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Biggles, 2, #856 of 1937 🔗

Oh don’t worry, we’ve had similar in our town centre…with NHS staff (so they said!) handing out leaflets, a couple of months ago. So they’re so bloody overwhelmed in the NHS they can stand on the street handing out bits of paper? Mind you, this was a like a red rag to a bull for Mr Hancart. He went over to one of them to ask questions. At first she came out with all the usual tropes until he started giving her facts and figures and all she could say over and over “…but its all the deaths!” She couldn’t answer a single question. That was the last time we saw them in town!

403719 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Biggles, 1, #857 of 1937 🔗

Also on numerous radio adverts today. It’s a flat out lie. Anti-scientific propaganda.

403334 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #858 of 1937 🔗

You would think by now that they would know that their “afternoon” press conferences just inspire dread and utter loathing from the general population..

Mengele Hancock and “The man from Glaxo” to appear, yet, again on our screens.

403343 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 13, #859 of 1937 🔗

“Vaccines vaccines vaccines vaccines. Thank you.”

403359 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 14, #860 of 1937 🔗

More like, “I, Matthew Hancock, have single handedly invented the vaccine, saved the world from this deadly disease and therefore require your complete and never ending adulation until the end of time.

Oh, but the vaccine won’t actually work against new variants, so sorry folks, you’re still banged up. BUT I’M STILL AMAZING!!”

403480 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #861 of 1937 🔗

Got Wancock down to a T there! He who said in a TV interview: “After all, I’ve got a global pandemic to manage”

403564 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #862 of 1937 🔗

Six feet of earth is all he’s going to have to manage when justice catches up with him.

403353 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to nickbowes, 9, #863 of 1937 🔗

Unfortunately I think some people look forward to them and wait with bated breath for their every pronouncement.

Doubtless they’re going to tell us how the vaccines won’t work on the scary new variants, so we need to stay locked down until Autumn when they will have been updated (but guess what, come Autumn there will be yet another new variant requiring yet another update, etc etc).

403365 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 14, #864 of 1937 🔗

I was just laughing (very sardonically) at the BBC headlines (that I accidentally caught 🙂 ), stating that Johnson has pronounced the Oxford vaccine safe and effective.

In my head was an alternative headline :

“Relax! A notorious liar has said that the vaccine is safe.”

403483 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 2, #865 of 1937 🔗

Of course, Johnson is a world leading scientist and considered to be an expert on these issues.

403388 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to nickbowes, 8, #866 of 1937 🔗

It’ll either be encouraging people that the AZ vaccine is fine and effective or that lockdown cannot be eased because of the data surrounding the SA variant and the vaccine.

403468 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Ricky1, #867 of 1937 🔗

Or both…

403488 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Ricky1, 6, #868 of 1937 🔗

The truth is I don’t give a damn what Mengele and Unbalanced are going to say, I don’t watch them, not any of them. Whatever it is, it will continue to blame the British public for everything. Wancock is really drunk on power now. His fall will be spectaculor.

403335 Suzyv, 5, #869 of 1937 🔗

Apology if already posted. Latest video fro Rachel Elnaugh- her explanation of what might be going on: https://odysee.com/@RachelElnaugh:7/the-great-coronavirus-swindle:1

403344 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 59, #871 of 1937 🔗

Sorry but I am feeling particularly fucking angry today. Perhaps because it’s Monday and another long week of What Fresh Hell is there today begins?

Also had a response from the email I sent to the school last week – usual tripe about keeping safe, blah blah.

Had a long rant with my Dad this morning. He is in his early 70’s, in construction, has his own small business, employs maybe 15 people, two of which are my brothers. He has never stopped working, out on site, refuses point blank to wear a mask. From the off has said he is not scared of a virus or even a vaccination, but is shit-scared of what the government is doing.

Construction etc is still allowed (allowed!) to continue but he had a call this morning from a crane supplier essentially begging for work. They have all of these cranes that have to be paid for but there is about 20% of work going ahead. This is Central London by the way.

We are both increasingly of the opinion that to destroy society and the economy like this there has to be an agenda. And that agenda is about control. I don’t even think this is a huge, intellectual leap to take. It’s becoming clearer every single every day that this trundles on.

403350 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Still Got It, 15, #872 of 1937 🔗

But they are building all these massive housing estates on green belt outside major towns up and down the nation. Mainly 3/4 bed luxury developments – who the f*** is going to buy them ?

403360 ▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to nickbowes, 7, #873 of 1937 🔗

Is it about dispersal? Away from the cities? The atomised, work from home agenda.

403362 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Still Got It, 13, #874 of 1937 🔗

The UN’s agenda is to have everyone in cities, while the ‘elites’ get to enjoy the countryside and trips abroad.

403421 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jb12, 4, #875 of 1937 🔗

Correct.

The controllers want the proles urbanized and completely dependent on UBI that will be tied to lifelong vaccination on a weekly basis.

403391 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Still Got It, 6, #876 of 1937 🔗

Indeed – Central London is a special case…

Where I am in the sticks, estate agents have never been busier than over the last 6 months.

A quid says the stamp duty holiday will be extended for another 6 months, BTW.

403747 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to nickbowes, #877 of 1937 🔗

“who the f*** is going to buy them ?”

Yeltsin’s ‘Chosen Ones’, ie wealthy Triad crooks from Hong Kong, by the looks of it!

403352 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Still Got It, 17, #878 of 1937 🔗

Agree with you totally. My Occam’s shaver always steers away from ‘conspiracy’ pimples if possible – but as time has gone on, it has been harder and harder to place all the blame on incompetence.

403390 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 8, #879 of 1937 🔗

HCQ was removed from over-the-counter shelves in FEBRURY last year, so we are still seeing the plan as it is being rolled out.

403558 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #880 of 1937 🔗

Always sensible to employ one’s brain rather than O’s shaver, Rick.

403349 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #881 of 1937 🔗

Video update from Luc:

https://t.me/THEGREATREOPENING/76952

Too big to Tweet – have to view in Telegram.

403383 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 3, #882 of 1937 🔗

not on telegram. not joining anything that makes you hand over your phone number.

Someone will have to put it on YT or Poopchute.

403356 Will, replying to Will, 3, #883 of 1937 🔗

Zoe app very late. I have a feeling he has been got at.

403368 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 3, #884 of 1937 🔗

they didn’t update at all yesterday – unless the numbers are identical

403382 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Will, 7, #885 of 1937 🔗

I’ve heard some people say Tim Spector’s comments saying we’ll never have normality again has gone down poorly with the ZOE app. Some people say any trace of his involvement in the app has been removed and the app saw thousands of people uninstalling it after his comments which might be affecting its data collection.

Might just be wishful thinking though and there is another cause entirely

403393 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ricky1, 5, #886 of 1937 🔗

yes, I have been a supporter but will uninstall if he carries on like this

403400 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ricky1, 2, #887 of 1937 🔗

I’m not sure the average user would be as discerning as that. I bet 99% of them think Tim Spector is a bond villain. 😛

403445 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #888 of 1937 🔗

Isn’t he?

403407 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 12, #889 of 1937 🔗

A comment on his Twitter thread:

Have used the app since day 1 and thought you were more positive. What you have been reported to have said today is appalling. No regard for people in entertainment industry, people with weddings planned etc. Awful and thought you were better.

403408 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 19, #890 of 1937 🔗

Also

Experts have warned that restrictions on large gatherings could remain in place for “the next few years.” Did you actually say this? You are telling people to go against human nature. We are social creatures & thrive on physical/social interactions. How could you?

and

You are taking away people’s hope. Once the over 60s and high risk are vaccinated(including the obese), what is the reasoning for constant physical distancing + masks for years? This virus is mild for the majority.

and

You claim these measures “cost nothing”. Please explain that to those whose job relies on large gatherings, ie theaters, festivals, exhibitions, weddings, conferences, horse racing, concerts, airlines, cruises, parties and on. All these industries would fall if you had your way.

You get the idea.

403410 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #891 of 1937 🔗

Completely understand this reaction. However, regardless of his personal views the data from his app has been helpful to the cause thus far and it would be a shame if a relatively independent source of info disappeared, imo.

403423 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #892 of 1937 🔗

That is my concern. The independence of the Zoe app is a life saver.

403463 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #893 of 1937 🔗

Yes, I agree.

403441 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #894 of 1937 🔗

yes. turns out he is another health fascist. he thinks human rights are a ‘nice to have’ as long as he has hit some arbitrary targets on his spreadsheet. a dangerous lunatic

403384 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #895 of 1937 🔗

Mrs Tenchy works in a school. She can – for it is voluntary – test herself twice a week for the Lab flu. She did the first one over the weekend (negative). Guess where the test kits are made?

403392 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tenchy, 1, #896 of 1937 🔗

The seventh level of Hell?

403428 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to iane, 5, #897 of 1937 🔗

Spot on! China.

403398 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tenchy, 8, #898 of 1937 🔗

Matt Hancock’s next door neighbour?!

403559 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #899 of 1937 🔗

Right alongside the face knickers. Talk about a goldmine.

403386 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 22, #900 of 1937 🔗

UK terrorism threat level lowered to ‘substantial’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55982743

I don’t know – I would classify the government terrorism campaign a little stronger than “substantial”.

403449 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #901 of 1937 🔗

Been wondering what happened to all the terrorists ?

403401 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #902 of 1937 🔗

How is the SA variant getting on in the UK these days? Not heard much about it since last week so I’m guessing it hasn’t exploded as predicted?

403402 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #903 of 1937 🔗

Pronanly a bit too chilly here for the South African variant.

Beware the Siberian variant.

403404 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #904 of 1937 🔗

There have been 147 cases and they are very busy telling us that it’s far more transmissable, which is clear untrue. Cognitive dissonance

403417 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to this is my username, 3, #905 of 1937 🔗

Weren’t there about 143 this time last week? So an increase of 4?!

403443 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to this is my username, 9, #906 of 1937 🔗

I still haven’t met anyone who had the original one, never mind the latest one

403479 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bella Donna, #907 of 1937 🔗

Same here

403406 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #908 of 1937 🔗

Priti Patel expelled it due to lack of appropriate visa.

403411 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #909 of 1937 🔗

It then snuck back in on a floating door and was given the keys to a hotel room

403460 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #910 of 1937 🔗

Bit like the predicted “500,000” deaths last year and the “4,000” predicted PER DAY (!) this winter, during the “second wave” (are we still “waving” or are we drowning now?) Of course daddy pig government will say this has been averted because of all the measures aka rules, restrictions, diktats, fines, threats…oh and “advice” that they kindly put in place “for the greater good” of all. Be grateful, minions, it could have been much worse, you know!

403413 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 16, #911 of 1937 🔗

Tweet from Gabor Erdosi with a link to an interesting T cell paper

The majority of antigens recognized by T cells fall outside the spike protein, while the vast majority is non-RBD. Natural immunity is therefore much broader than that triggered by vaccines, and the effect of spike mutations is predicted to be smaller

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1358726785433796609

Wonder if the British Society for Immunology will update their briefing note to perhaps more accurately reflect the significant benefits of natural immunity over vaccine mediated immunity. I suspect not

403432 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #912 of 1937 🔗

It has been known for a long while that cross recognition of coronaviruses by the human immune system is pretty robust
Just not helpful to the narrative

403415 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 38, #913 of 1937 🔗

If you’d said to me last year we would currently be talking about:

Whether it was “safe” for children to go to school (the “safe” applying ENTIRELY to the paranoia of teachers).

Whether you could get away with visiting your mum without being stopped and fined by police.

Whether UK pubs would ever open again.

Whether vaccine passports could be a “thing”.

Whether it would ever be “legal” to go abroad on holiday again.

Whether you could face the abuse you get for walking into a shop without a mask.

Whether it was safe for children to be looking at screens for about 6 hours a day 5 days a week.

Whether we are technically still lived in a democracy (given parliament is not sitting in person, protesting is banned and petition debates are suspended).

Keep writing to your MPs. Write, call, pester. Post on BBC comments, not here… get your voice heard!

403426 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #914 of 1937 🔗

Whether you could get fined £10,000 for starting a snowball fight.

403437 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HaylingDave, 21, #915 of 1937 🔗

Whether a 75 year old man would get turfed off a bench by the police.

403684 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, 5, #916 of 1937 🔗

Whether a policeman could punch a Polish cafe owner in the face for cooking someone breakfast to make the money to feed his family…

403416 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #917 of 1937 🔗

Re the Oxford Vacc, Johnson being “confident” in anything does not give confidence to most.

Lockdown being the “nuclear option” springs to mind when this c*** is concerned.

403438 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nickbowes, 13, #918 of 1937 🔗

its only 3 weeks to flatten the curve

403887 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, #919 of 1937 🔗

The curve quickly became a circle…

403425 Bart Simpson, 5, #920 of 1937 🔗

Jesus wept.

And very arrogant and presumptuous to think that we owe Captain Tom and the NHS. We don’t, the NHS exists to serve us not the other way around.

As for Captain Tom his good intentions were hijacked for propaganda purposes. He’s had a good run, let him rest in peace.

403430 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 18, #921 of 1937 🔗

Reuters has just carried a story about Covid-19 vaccines being yearly, requiring boosters … yawn.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-vaccine-bo-idUSKBN2A70A9

But Zahawi has some balls stating why he thinks vaccine passports won’t be introduced.

As some nations consider a vaccine passport to enable the easing of travel measures, Zahawi said Britain would not introduce such a system but people could seek proof from their doctor if needed.

“That’s not how we do things in the UK. We do them by consent ,” he said. “We yet don’t know what the impact of vaccines on transmission is and it would be discriminatory.”

“Consent”?? “CONSENT??” Go fuck yourself, dood, what country have you been living in for the past 10 months?

403453 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to HaylingDave, 8, #922 of 1937 🔗

Any ‘vaccine’ that needs to injections and then a booster does not work – it is a good thing that our immune systems work smooch better provided that people have the right nutrients

403433 Bella Donna, 15, #923 of 1937 🔗

Thought I’d share this with you from my MP.

Jo also asked me to draw your attention to yesterday’s interview between Andrew Marr and Nadhim Zahawi, the Minister for Vaccinations. Mr Zahawi confirmed that the government has ruled out plans to issue so-called “vaccine passports” to enable people who have had the jab against coronavirus to travel abroad. He said there were several reasons why vaccine passports would not be introduced, not least because the vaccine was not mandatory in the UK.
The BBC report of the interview states: “Mr Zahawi said vaccine passports would be “discriminatory” and it wasn’t clear what impact they would have on transmission of the virus. He said people could talk to their doctor if they needed written evidence to travel.”
Jo hopes that this information reassures you of the Government’s intentions. End of message.

I think what is very important here the word is ‘discriminatory ” it’s a very important word that people who want to get their own way have used in the past. It’s a word we should now be using with regard to experimental vaccines.

403440 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #924 of 1937 🔗

Dogs and cats with symptoms to be tested for Covid in Seoul Pet cats and dogs with a fever, cough or breathing difficulties will be offered coronavirus tests if they have been exposed to carriers, the Seoul metropolitan government said Monday.

Cue. Brains working overtime at chez Whitty, Hancock and Valance.

403444 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to nickbowes, 12, #925 of 1937 🔗

Pretty confident my dogs would both decline a test, if offered.

403563 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #926 of 1937 🔗

Granddaughters have a Spoodle called Willow who would happily eat anything including a test kit

404193 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Fingerache Philip, #927 of 1937 🔗

That’s one way to get a throat swab, although it might be combined with the Chinese test method by the time you get the swab back.

403455 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to nickbowes, 3, #928 of 1937 🔗

They also said “ At the moment, there are no known cases of pets passing the coronavirus to humans. The probability of this is considered low. ” – Err, so why are they doing this?

403477 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to godowneasy, 5, #929 of 1937 🔗

Look at the leaked Canada document with the timetable for the pandemic regarding the reasoning for the ultimate removal of pets from the home on the grounds of them spreading the ‘virus’

403504 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to jos, 2, #930 of 1937 🔗

The document where almost nothing it has said has come to pass? And from the version I have seen, it says nothing of pets.

403725 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jos, #931 of 1937 🔗

Carrie would not allow that, what about Dylan. If this is true, that is really sick.

403871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to DanClarke, 1, #932 of 1937 🔗

Au contraire. Carrie will sacrifice Dylan as an example to the masses. The Queen will also sacrifice her least favourite Corgi.

403499 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 6, #933 of 1937 🔗

The Lockdownistas would march their pets into the glue factory if they were advised to
In fact
I might start the rumour

403514 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #934 of 1937 🔗

I’m all for this if it gets some of the poorly-trained, ill-mannered pit bulls off the trails and out of the parks.

403551 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 7, #935 of 1937 🔗

Don’t take it out on the animals. Any animals

403567 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 1, #936 of 1937 🔗

Not even the collaborating sheep?
No, I know what you mean, Annie.

403853 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, 1, #937 of 1937 🔗

Except wasps.

Fuck wasps.

403579 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #938 of 1937 🔗

I know a vegan who is a rabid lockdowner and I think she’s probably brainwashed enough to sacrifice her beloved pets if she thinks it will “help”.

403971 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to landt2020, #939 of 1937 🔗

Well at least she wouldn’t eat them.

403562 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to nickbowes, 13, #940 of 1937 🔗

They really can’t let people have anything that may give a little pleasure or comfort can they.

No friends or family to visit.
No social life in pubs cafes or restaurants.
No entertainment outside such as concerts cinema, theatre.
No sports or hobbies that involve mixing with others.
No shopping apart from food shops with muzzles on (just in case you may enjoy a few seconds of conversation with another human being).
No holidays.

And what do you have left? Screens, food and alcohol. But maybe you have a pet that gives you a tiny bit of joy and something to live for. No, you can’t have that, far too dangerous.

I say fuck your safetyism, life means that eventually you die. You can take all the drugs available, all the vaccines, have all the medical interventions but it’s still gonna happen. Do you want to exist in a box for the rest of your life for as long as possible or live it to the full for less time?

I think we on LS know what we want. Let the rest stay in their boxes for as long as they wish and set the rest of us free.

403773 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Laura Suckling, #941 of 1937 🔗

You can take all the drugs available …

Yep, sounds good to me.

Ah, you meant pharmaceuticals … 🙂

403957 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to JohnB, #942 of 1937 🔗

Correct, the other drugs are difficult to obtain of late.

403448 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #943 of 1937 🔗

Dr. Robert Salata, Director of University Hospitals Roe Green Center for Travel Medicine & Global Health in Cleveland, disclosed that Pfizer took 14 days to get to 52% completion at preventing the deadly virus.

The lead investigator for the Pfizer vaccine at his hospital further clarified that the vaccine is not 100% authentic so people can still test positive even after vaccination.

What does not authentic mean?????

Dr. William Schaffner, an Infectious Disease Specialist maintains that his team is working on a clearer picture of the situation.
He said, “The information is less clear whether the vaccines will prevent the virus from infecting us and we can remain without symptoms. That’s still under study.”

https://thestreetjournal.org/2021/02/experts-explain-why-people-can-test-positive-after-covid-19-vaccination/

403470 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #944 of 1937 🔗

Insofar as these things suppress symptoms but not infection they increase the number of ‘asymptomatics’, strengthening the narrative.

403450 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #945 of 1937 🔗

Just look what they’ve done – we are to be replaced by cardboard cut outs – this is supposedly the new normal – anyone who uses the word normal in this context must be insane. Ozzy f…..n Osbourne!!!!!

BBC: Over in the US, the Super Bowl has shown the world what the new normal looks like for sporting events.
Coronavirus protocols placed limits on the number of spectators allowed to watch last night’s championship game in person.
At first glance, the Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida, appears worryingly full, considering we’re in the middle of a pandemic.
But there were only about 25,000 people in the 65,000-capacity stadium, which included 7,500 vaccinated health workers.
The numbers were made up by some 30,000 cardboard cutouts, including celebrity faces such as Ozzy Osbourne and Billie Eilish.

403462 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 3, #946 of 1937 🔗
403466 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 5, #947 of 1937 🔗

It’s a good job cardboard isn’t flammable.

403469 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #948 of 1937 🔗

What an atmosphere.

403526 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to leggy, 7, #949 of 1937 🔗

This is what it must be like at an Arsenal game 🙂 Zing!

403472 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 4, #950 of 1937 🔗

People actually paid $100 to have their likeness on a cut-out and enter a raffle for tickets to next year’s Super Bowl.

403482 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to awildgoose, 2, #951 of 1937 🔗

You cannot be serious!

403484 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 1, #953 of 1937 🔗

Billie Eyelash would take up 2 seats

403486 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to godowneasy, 7, #954 of 1937 🔗

“Worryingly full.”

Shut up. Just shut up. Hypochondriac, big girl’s blouse, pansy talk.

I thought Florida had lifted all restrictions?

403493 ▶▶ mj, replying to godowneasy, 3, #955 of 1937 🔗

cardboard cutouts of fans have been in place in UK football grounds since last season.

403586 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to godowneasy, #956 of 1937 🔗

Was Ozzy’s accompanied by a cardboard cutout of a bat?

403451 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 14, #957 of 1937 🔗

The last time a pharma company manufactured a product that was forced on a population was some time ago. It didn’t go well for the patients, but eventually those who organised the administration of the product met the same fate, and the company was subsequently broken up. IG Farben should be a warning to those in our government thinking along the same lines and think they’re untouchable.

403454 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #958 of 1937 🔗

I wouldn’t regard IG Farben as a “pharma company”: its nearest British equivalent would have been the old ICI.

403464 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to GCarty80, 4, #959 of 1937 🔗

IG Farben was split into BASF, Hoechst and Bayer. The last of these was the Pharma bit.

So, IG Farben was really ICI + Glaxo, so to speak.

403467 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to rockoman, 4, #960 of 1937 🔗

Yep and Bayer are still going strong in the pharma industry. As are AGFA and BASF in their respective fields.

403475 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 43, #961 of 1937 🔗

I am concerned that increasingly LS seems to be slipping into the vaccine fly trap by focussing so much on news stories about Covid vaccines in essentially an uncritical manner. A sceptical site should be stressing that 99.8% of the population don’t need a vaccine to not die from Covid 19, that the vaccines can cause ill health, that vaccination will not end the lockdown lunacy/mask madness, that mass vaccination for respiratory diseases will invite in novel pathogens and that Big Pharma and its allies in government have shown absolutely no interest in facilitating the use of readily available cheap treatments and preventatives (Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and weight loss).

403498 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 13, #962 of 1937 🔗

I fear that you’re right.

Instead of picking up vaccine stories from the MSM, LS could usefully present clear neutral data about the safety and efficacy of the various vaccines – as far as the limited period of experimentation allows.

Of particular interest is :

  • Immunity – and particularly absolute risk reduction (rather than the misleading relative risk figures)
  • Evidence re. transmission after vaccination.

Also, there needs to be critical examination of the ‘ninja variant’ stories in terms of the scientific basis – and any other hares that are set running.

403667 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 2, #963 of 1937 🔗

Indeed. LS could look at all sorts of things e.g. why adverse reaction reports in the UK seem to be treated as a state secret, in contrast to other countries and whether there is a culture in the NHS of discouraging such reports (as I suspect). LS could report on the Israeli experience following mass vaccination of all its most vulnerable people – distinctly not in line with the MSM narrative of success and euphoria, with the R rate recently rising above 1 again. LS could look into whether vaccination can trigger positive results in Covid 19 testing – I heard one pathologist suggest it could but have heard nothing more in the MSM. Can it? This is a crucial question that needs to be covered. Since the Pfizer vaccine gets the body to create virus “spikes” that are similar to Covid spikes, this seems quite possible.

403500 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to OKUK, -34, #964 of 1937 🔗

There was a chap who posted here under the name of Nick Rose who I understand was very fit and under 60 who sadly died from Covid. He would probably have fitted the 99.8% who you would never have thought needed it. If he’d had the vaccine then maybe he would have survived. I think that this site should remain a lockdown sceptic site and not become a vaccine sceptic site.

403508 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 20, #965 of 1937 🔗

Oh dear! How do you start addressing addled thought like this.

I take it you will be refusing to travel by car because this might prevent a fatal accident?

403516 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to arfurmo, 17, #966 of 1937 🔗

Young fit healthy people die of influenza every year
Also Hcov-oc43 is implicated in many deaths every year
Outliers will always exist

403518 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to arfurmo, 16, #967 of 1937 🔗

I see, you want a site which contains only people who agree with you on everything? the ‘scepticism’ part ranges from mild doubts to absolute horror and full-on opposition; some are more against lockdowns than they are vaccines, or vice versa. you are free to just scroll past the posts that don’t speak to you; it’s what everyone else does. feel free also to start your own site.

403554 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #968 of 1937 🔗

We are and must remain a Broad Church.
WE MUST NOT BE DIVIDED AND CONQUERED.

403672 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #969 of 1937 🔗

I’m all in favour of a broad church. It’s not really about the efficacy or safety of vaccines, it’s about what happens if we adopt the MSM narrative on vaccination – if you get drawn into the logic, you get drawn into the logic which is: this is a deadly virus, so lockdowns, deprivation of liberty and masking are necessary until a fully effective vaccination programme is put in place. It’s a very dangerous path for a spectical outfit to go down.

404273 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to OKUK, 1, #970 of 1937 🔗

People pushing the broad church narrative only dilute the anti lockdown narrative as you spell out.

Next autumn we will likely be told that the vaccines don’t offer protection against the latest new variant and then we will be back on the lockdown/vaccination treadmill once again.

Fingerache Phil has already given up his arm to the vaccinators and his utterances have to be read with that in mind.

403716 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JaneHarry, -1, #971 of 1937 🔗

The clue is in Lockdown Sceptics- not Vaccine Sceptics . I’ve been here pretty well since the site started and been as sceptical of lockdowns as the next one. But if this is the way the site is going. I’m out of here .

403759 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, 5, #972 of 1937 🔗

As Steve Hayes points out, arfur, these are not vaccines.

They are untested RNA-modifying treatments.

404310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, 2, #973 of 1937 🔗

This may be crunch time for some lockdown sceptics and especially for those whose scepticism can’t be allowed to impinge on their faith in the ultimate goodness of all vaccines.

The Covid event has always been about vaccines. The lockdowns and other restrictions have always been there as a way of conditioning people into acceptance of the need for vaccination.

The true purpose of the vaccines can only be guessed at, though we do know, that they have very little to do with the prevention or transmission of Covid-19, whatever it actually is.

404283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to arfurmo, 1, #974 of 1937 🔗

Your lockdown scepticism is obviously no match for your cognitive dissonance, when it comes to the hardly tested liability free experimental vaccines for an infection that has a 99.98% survival rate.

403580 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to arfurmo, 5, #975 of 1937 🔗

Well surely we’re sceptical about everything until proven wrong, especially emegerency vaccines produced in these circumstances where there is mass hysteria and deception

403640 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to arfurmo, 4, #976 of 1937 🔗

I don’t recall this site ever stating an opinion on vaccines, the comments section is full of free spirits & a few 77th brigade. Whats written BTL is called free speech, technically uninfluenced by the sites administration..

403657 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #977 of 1937 🔗

Indeed. I’m not asking for LS to be anti-vax, just not to follow the MSM narrative. Why isn’t LS reporting on the Israeli experience? After their huge vaccination programme, with just about all their vulnerable people – over 2 million – having received the vaccine second and first shots their R rate (according to Times of Israel) went back over 1!!! The problem with following the MSM narrative is you end up following the lockdown logic – implicit in obsessing about vaccination is the idea that vaccination will free us from lockdown. Nothing could be further from the truth. Trying to replace natural immunity with continuing mass vaccination will simply prolong the agony.

403776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 4, #978 of 1937 🔗

My take on this site is perhaps controversial, but i’ll stick my neck out.

I’ve got great respect & admiration for Toby Young & what he’s trying to do to defend free speech.

But he’s a middle class liberal, he is the very definition of the establishment. Fully invested in the system, he’s not looking to rock the boat just gently alter its course.

It’s true I think since others have been employed to write for the site, its lost its raison d’être & lost its way a little!

Maybe they’ve been got at or warned to tone it down. But I suspect Toby Young is pro vax.

But hey its still probably one of the few places you can criticise covid19 response without censorship. There’s off-g but its full of socialists lowering the tone LOL.

403645 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to arfurmo, 4, #979 of 1937 🔗

We know nothing about this guy, do we. How do you know him? Was he obese? Did he have serious co-morbities? Did he have poor hygiene? Oddly it seems a lot of people here do know who he was.

All I could find about any Nick Rose being mourned was this from 2017:

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Nickrosefuneralfund

Coincidence?

403943 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to arfurmo, 1, #980 of 1937 🔗

you seem to be ignorant of the safe cheap treatments that many excellent doctors are using to great effect

403960 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to arfurmo, 2, #981 of 1937 🔗

For a start they are not vaccinating the 50-55s yet.

Forget vaccines for a moment. How about if he’d have had easy access to HCQ/Zinc/AZT and Ivermectin because over the last year these had become the standard treatment so available from any pharmacist instead of ignored and covertly prevented by the Government? How about the NCS had bothered to come out and help him with an oxygen tank and a trip to hospital?

403510 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to OKUK, 6, #982 of 1937 🔗

Criticising Lockdown Sceptics for discussing the so called vaccines in an acritical manner is rather ironic when one acritically reproduces the notion that these products are vaccines. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/08/latest-news-279/#comment-402713

403635 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #983 of 1937 🔗

Total red herring but I gave you the dictionary definition. Take it up with the dictionary not me. It’s you who claims a vaccine can only be made from an attenuated form of the causative agent relating to the disease the vaccine is targetting.

403568 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to OKUK, 8, #984 of 1937 🔗

I think the argument for liberty is the most important, and one that we don’t talk about enough – we do tend to get lost in graphs and numbers and details instead, playing along with the game of countering this, questioning another etc, instead of planting our flag in the ground and standing against authoritarianism. Not to say there isn’t profit in discussion of all aspects, but surely liberty is our strongest card.

403583 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #985 of 1937 🔗

It’s the only unassailable argument. And at the same time the lease persuasive.

There is absolutely no arguing against the proposition that I value freedom above all else and I am willing to take on extra risk for it.

And yet it is the least convincing argument.

But still, I agree, this should ultimately be the argument.

403653 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #986 of 1937 🔗

Amen to that, my opposition to lockdown is very simple, no one has the right to take my freedom for their safety. Other peoples lives are not my responsibility or vice versa. I really don’t give a toss what the statisticians say.

403573 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 4, #987 of 1937 🔗

There absolutely should be a focus on fact-checking and debunking media claims about the vaxxes, because it’s obvious that many of those claims are utterly false attempts to gaslight the public.

403656 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 1, #988 of 1937 🔗

I take as read politicians & the media are liars.

403821 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to OKUK, -2, #989 of 1937 🔗

I am not sure about your 99.8% figure but I do know 99% of the population aren’t infected. I believe 20% of the population get severe problems from covid so would benefit from vaccination. I agree if your under 70 without any health problems you shouldn’t need a vaccine if you take vitamin D and lose some weight.

403857 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #990 of 1937 🔗

Just under 4m “cases” (we know this include false positives and people tested on multiple occasions). There would need to be 13m in the UK with “severe” problems for it to be 20%.

404025 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #991 of 1937 🔗

I don’t know where you get 4million from but anyone over 70 as weak immunity and together with those with health problems is about 20% of the population.

403494 Smelly Melly, 13, #992 of 1937 🔗

Have faith in our wonderful government, I’m sure things will be back to normal as soon as a vaccine for the Martian variant of C19 is rolled out.

403496 isobar, replying to isobar, 5, #993 of 1937 🔗

Looks like we could be in Lockdown La La Land for the long term!
’Boris Johnson refuses to rule out making lockdown LONGER if South African variant continues to spread – but insists all vaccines being used should protect against death amid fears Oxford’s jab doesn’t work on mutant strain

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9220267/UK-faces-restrictions-South-African-Covid-variant-continues-spread-SAGE-scientist-warns.html

403547 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 8, #994 of 1937 🔗

Yes the 147 cases of the SA strain should be reason to keep the lockdown going. It’s psreading so fast there have been 147 cases since OCTOBER! They don’t see the cognitive dissonance. They just don’t seem to be able to stop this propaganda.

403571 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to this is my username, #995 of 1937 🔗

Agree, but looks like they are crapping themselves about the apparent lack of efficacy of the Oxford vaccine in South Africa. Sky news has the story COVID-19: Shape-shifting coronavirus is knocking the confidence of scientists
http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-shape-shifting-coronavirus-is-knocking-the-confidence-of-scientists-12212424

403578 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to this is my username, 4, #996 of 1937 🔗

Actually, it’s part of the gradual introduction of zero-covid.

Start with one of the variants, claim success and extend to all other variants.

Best thing about it is that you can claim victory over a variant any time you like because, who’s going to really know except for a couple of pesky scientists here or there who can be cancelled with a snap of the fingers.

403585 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stewart, #997 of 1937 🔗

I’m hoping they claim victory over a variant as an ‘out’. Save face and quietly change course.

403590 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #998 of 1937 🔗

Me too, zero-covid doesn’t bear thinking about. Mind you, it could be seen as being politically expedient – bastards!

403666 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #999 of 1937 🔗

Dream on. I hear the argument that governments are just looking for a face saving way out. I’m afraid this is just not the case. If it was they could have taken any number of exit routes along the way.

  • When they discovered the IFR was not really 3% but actually less than 0.5%
  • When hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed last spring and deaths started coming down – i.e. the curve “flattened”
  • When there was no more epidemic – instead of going on a manic testing rampage.

Unfortunately the forces that pushed the government into draconian measures are still there: a media hell bent on scaring the crap out of everyone, scientists presenting worst case scenarios, a population braying for government protection, a political opposition just waiting to pounce and start calling the government murderers.

It’s all still there.

Only two things change the dynamic. Economic collapse. The braying masses start braying for normality.

That’s it.

403765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to stewart, 2, #1000 of 1937 🔗

Totally agree. They could all have declared victory in the summer, stopped resting, stopped the constant propaganda and they would have largely gotten away with it. Instead they did the opposite, ramped up the testing, kept up the rhetoric and added more and more restrictions.

403767 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stewart, 1, #1001 of 1937 🔗

Yes, I fear that you’re right, though I think it was hard for governments to pull out of this last spring/summer because I don’t think they fully understood how bad the PCR test actually is. Now it should be clear, just as it should be clear that the increase in ‘cases’ was just the normal winter resurgence of a respiratory virus, though perhaps somewhat worse than normal in England.

I hope that the apparent leak from Sunak indicates that he is ready to resign on grounds of shifting goalposts….and the unmitigated economic disaster that will result from never getting out of this. It sounds like there are many Tory MPs who want out and will lose patience in another month or so. They need to demand Bozo’s resignation and get Sunak in there.

I know many here don’t like or trust Sunak, but I think he’s our only hope at this point. If things continue like this for much longer, there really will be large-scale violence and economic chaos. People may not believe it, thinking that because British people have put up with it so long, they will keep on like this indefinitely. One thing I have noticed as an immigrant to this country is that while most British people will put up with a lot, they do have a breaking point, and once that is reached, they explode. I really think this will get truly ugly if government policy doesn’t change soon.

403846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to stewart, #1002 of 1937 🔗

Granted, they haven’t taken a face saving way out so far, but there still may come a point when their readiness to do so, and a passing opportunity converge.

403867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, #1003 of 1937 🔗

I agree.
And would add that standardizing the PCR test down to a meaningful ct of under 30 would also have done that trick for them, as the media would have played along and the masses wouldn’t have gotten it anyway.
The fact that they are still not doing it, despite the WHO’s door opening (same on lockdowns) doesn’t bode well for their true intentions and the final result.
Another thing that might end it, and probably the only one that could be speedy, is millions of vaccine deaths.
Barring that, it’s the MMT induced hyperinflation, leading to state bankrupcies in the form of
currency resets, followed by depressions and wealth confiscations that will end this.
But don’t expect the average Covidian, let alone one of their leaders, to change their minds then, that would be a first.

403588 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to stewart, 5, #1004 of 1937 🔗

Zero covid is a terrible idea – it will do such untold harm to people’s health, immune system, the economy and everything that goes with measures of well being like having a social life. I suspect you’re right though. It will also suit UN Agenda 21/2030

403599 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 1, #1005 of 1937 🔗

Simply buying time till the 22nd when he reveals his route map of lockdown. Until then any alternative views ie Yeadon are suppressed.

403511 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 67, #1006 of 1937 🔗

Do you find yourself losing respect for people you know and to whom you are close? I look at friends and family, at how they’ve capitulated to these sociopathic criminals and their evil decrees, at how they’re surrendered their freedoms, their livelihoods, their children’s future, their dignity and the dignity of our elders to a bunch of third-rate scientists and politicians, and I increasingly feel nothing but sheer disgust.

To top it all off, putting the brick on top of the chimney, many of these people for whom I once had nothing but respect have the audacity to engage in sententious moralising whenever they see someone ‘breaking the rules’! One friend was aghast when I told him to have a day off from polishing his halo after he excitedly told me how he and his missus called someone out in a petrol station for not wearing a face covering. He assumed he’d get a high five. I asked him if he or his missus stopped to ask themselves if the person had a medical/health condition preventing them from being able to wear a face covering. ‘Well, no.’ Indeed. Why in this unthinking, absurd age would they ask themselves such a question?

Moreover, my pointing this (and some other issues) out had no discernible effect with regard to his attitude. This is a good mate of mine, and he disgusts me.

Some might say, ‘Well, perhaps those on the other side have lost respect for *you*. Perhaps they feel that *they’re* in the right.’ Fair point. Then we have to ask which side is asking questions, which side is challenging assumptions, and which side is swerving these things? When I try to discuss this with friends and family I’m met with either an angry refusal even to discuss it (which in itself is fascinating and very telling – cultists usually act this way) or the parroting of fallacious Government talking points (which again is quite cultish). Either way, I am invariably met with irrationality.

I do not want to feel this level of disgust for friends and loved ones. It is important to try and remember the good in people. But it’s hard when these same people are complicit in a monstrous evil.

403515 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #1007 of 1937 🔗

The short answer is yes, but I simply have nothing further to do with them.

There was a moment when it could have gone either way with my mother, but thankfully it went the right way after I gave her something to think about.

403523 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 23, #1008 of 1937 🔗

I find the only way to handle it is to see such individuals as suffering from the psychological assault of a massive brainwashing operation that has deprived them of their reason, and distance yourself from the imposed ideas rather than the individuals.

… i.e. see them as victims rather than perpetrators. Getting into alternative virtue-signalling isn’t at all helpful in my experience.

But sometimes remaining calm is hard. I did a ‘phone slam yesterday 🙁

403545 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to RickH, 19, #1009 of 1937 🔗

It is so cult-like. People has literally lost the ability to even remember. We’ve been trying to keep on an even keel with our neighbours as we really are good friends with them despite our very different views. We’ve been saying since last March that this crap is not going to go away any day soon, and they kept saying “oh, it’ll blow over soon!” Now they’re saying in shocked tones “this is going to go on for at least the next year!” We said nothing at all, we just raised our eyebrows, and looked pointedly at them….

403556 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 14, #1010 of 1937 🔗

Good call Rick, it’s too easy to throw around epithets about ‘sheep’ etc, but you’re right, these people are victims of the most insidious mental assault we’ve seen in our lifetimes, and are still our fellow humans.

Remaining calm is hard, but I recommend the Stoics, particularly Seneca’s essays On Anger. They seem to help me anyway.

Audiobook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6w7JK8RWgE

403572 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 10, #1011 of 1937 🔗

I agree, though there are some with whom I have lost patience – people who I know are highly educated, intelligent, politically aware, have reasonable knowledge of history, who I think thought of me as someone whose views were worth considering, in good mental health, who simply refuse to enagage with me and have a debate on the arguments.

403636 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 6, #1012 of 1937 🔗

I really struggle to Rick the only way I can remain polite is by having lost all faith in humanity. Once I expect absolutely nothing of them there position is reasonable and understandable.

Were I to expect better of them I find myself incandescent with rage at their appeal to propaganda and ignorance to review alternative facts in a world full of information.

403658 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 1, #1013 of 1937 🔗

Who’s suggesting ‘alternative virtue-signalling’?

404535 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1014 of 1937 🔗

I think he might have been being rhetorical.

404538 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1015 of 1937 🔗

No, he’s abusing terms again. It’s what he does.

403838 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 3, #1016 of 1937 🔗

To an extent I agree.

We are as a society under unprecedented psychological assault from media and government, and we are being manipulated like never before. We must never lose sight of this.

To expect most people to be able to resist it is asking too much.

However, when push comes to shove, if their ‘energy’ is making your life cumulatively intolerable, and they know that and they don’t fix it, you have to shut them out.

404533 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, #1017 of 1937 🔗

This is exactly what I have to try to do.

403535 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to JohnDanny, 45, #1018 of 1937 🔗

Yes, all the time. I have lost 2 friends , both I have known over 25 years because THEY realized I’m a fiercely anti lockdown, mask, social engineering etc…There is just no talking too them anymore. One said he was ashamed he was my friend and his wife told him not to associate with dangerous people like me. The irony here being that I introduced them as she used to be somebody I was casually seeing.. I’m also forbiden to talk on my wife’s family WhatsApp group as I apparently upset the people with my sceptic thinking and becasue I said that anybody who comes to my house will NOT wear a mask gloves or any that nonsense and will shake my hand or fuck off…Apparently I’m unreasonable….So yes, that is completely normal in my book welcome to the sane group of people.

403548 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1019 of 1937 🔗

Yes, and institutions as well, and even my formerly beloved town centre, now hideous with closed shops and threatening notices.

403824 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, 4, #1020 of 1937 🔗

Most British town-centres need nuking from space.

It’d make sense to look at the way things have gone in lots of smaller European towns where the ‘town centre’ has almost ceased to exist – it’s just another residential area with more than the usual number of shops – change the planning classification, replace the shop frontages, sell as houses/flats.

Given the current pressure on commercial property, it seems inevitable, but for our antiquated planning system and the paleolithic retards in charge of local planning.

Certainly it’d make more sense than giving charity shops, betting shops and Greggs free rein.

403555 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JohnDanny, 9, #1021 of 1937 🔗

Look up pictures of the Nuremberg Rally – see the crowds and the troops and remember that these people who are so keen to enforce the rules are not different from those who attended.

403591 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JohnDanny, 34, #1022 of 1937 🔗

Yes. This hasn’t actually ended any friendships – but (a) when I talk to friends I keep my views on lockdown to myself, which you might think is cowardly (and it is) but I simply can’t face the hassle when it feels like arguing with a brick wall; and (b) I increasingly don’t want to talk to people who I know are on board with all this because it gets me down. So I am becoming even more of a misanthropic reclusive introvert than I was before, and that’s saying something. A friend phoned up the other evening for a chat, which was nice… until he starting banging on about Captain Tom this and the sainted NHS that and saying that we’ll probably have to “lock down” every year from now on (he seemed perfectly happy with the idea – it’s basically just the way things are now). I just wanted the conversation to end at that point. Similar story with family – mainly wittering on about when they are going to get their vaccine. Whatever. It doesn’t at all interest me, but I feign interest, so as not to rock the boat I suppose.

I have only had one really substantive discussion about lockdown with a friend, a very senior lawyer (politically left-leaning), in which I chiefly argued that the extraordinary measures were disproportionate – especially given that their efficacy is unproven and that there is a strong case to suggest that less intrusive measures may easily achieve similar results (look at Sweden, Florida etc). He didn’t really want to engage with the detail of what I put forward, and he didn’t seem particularly well informed – just parroted the government statistics, and implied that SAGE’s advice should always be followed to the letter. Everything he said was based on the core assumption that lockdowns work, and that even harder and longer lockdowns would, of course, work even better. His arguments were blustering and evasive, and boiled down in the end to pointing out that most people didn’t feel the way I did, and that I was therefore an eccentric outlier. I wasn’t actually persuaded by anything he said, but somehow I still ended the conversation feeling like I was the weird crank who had fallen down the rabbit hole, and he was the reasonable, sensible, caring moderate.

I don’t feel disgust, exactly, just a sense of deep alienation from people I used to feel I had many things in common with.

403597 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #1023 of 1937 🔗

Very eloquently described, I am very much in the same boat.

403647 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #1024 of 1937 🔗

Lawyers by there very definition have a way with words, it doesn’t make your friend right though.

Personally, I’ve always been the outlier crank conservative within my group and I’m quite happy to be as I’d hate to be part of the herd right now.

403740 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1025 of 1937 🔗

No absolutely. I don’t actually think he was right. But it’s interesting that I doubted myself all the same, and felt on the back foot, and am now very wary of putting across my opinion – as if what I’m saying is somehow unwholesome and perverse. Even though I do feel I have solid arguments and evidence on my side. The other side’s view is the acceptable mainstream. Swimming against the tide takes effort, and is exhausting.

404537 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JHUNTZ, #1026 of 1937 🔗

Lawyers by their very definition are pompous blowhards who love themselves in general and the braying of their own voices in particular.

403789 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #1027 of 1937 🔗

I understand completely. I have periods where I feel worn out from it all, and become very depressed. We have truth on our side, but we are up against very cultish attitudes and behaviour.

As you note, your lawyer friend simply assumes the efficacy of lockdown. I see this everywhere. It simply ‘must’ work, right? Obvious, innit! That’s why we hear so many people bemoaning the fact that we didn’t implement lockdown sooner. The assumed efficacy of lockdown is utterly question-begging and irrational, yet it has become a societal meme, widely and uncritically imitated to a staggering degree.

His appeal to the majority is laughable, and is a complete cop-out. It’s a substitute for argumentation.

403623 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1028 of 1937 🔗

If the Covid Cult brainwashing intensifies as I expect it to then it will not be long before being known as a sceptic will become dangerous. This is the perfect self-policing totalitarian system. No one can be trusted, not even close family and friends.

404539 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Richard O, #1029 of 1937 🔗

Think the self-policing ruse is called Reflexive Law.

403779 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1030 of 1937 🔗

I’ve felt that too, I’ve stopped talking with quite a few of people over this, that angry refusal and/or script parroting is very familiar.

403840 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1031 of 1937 🔗

I have discarded 2/3rds of my acquaintances and friends after having unsuccessfully tried to provoke them into thinking.
With a third, I am trying to stay on good terms and am therefore more or less neutral in our conversations, as they all know where I stand (2 or 3 are sceptics, fortunately that now includes the missus).
The ones I have lost all respect for are the (all very c*cksure) dentists, doctors and surgeons I know.
How can you take anyone of them seriously anymore, if they think masks work and lockdowns are great and both have no negative side effects or costs?!
And that is before their utter cluelessness about the alternative, prophylactic treatments and the vaccines, which doesn’t prevent them from toeing the party line, of course.
It’s mainly been a liberating experience but then, for me, hell is
other people, certainly since March.

404541 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JayBee, #1032 of 1937 🔗

All dentists aren’t……well, all right; the vast majority of them are.

403519 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #1033 of 1937 🔗

a lot of people unhappy about Tim Spector saying ‘masks and social distancing can go on forever because they are no cost’

he seemed much more level headed before he had his vaccine 3 weeks ago

I wonder if its related? Has anyone else noticed any friends or family turning into autistic anti-human health fascists since their Pfizer jab?

403525 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 9, #1034 of 1937 🔗

It could be just confirmation bias again. Once you’ve had a jab, you’ve committed yourself to the narrative.

403537 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 4, #1035 of 1937 🔗

On the other hand once you’ve had a jab you expect something in return.

403630 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, 2, #1036 of 1937 🔗

You get to virtue signal could there be any greater reward?

403527 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 5, #1037 of 1937 🔗

My parents are still lockdown-sceptical. But it’s only been a week. I will monitor closely for any signs of a drift.

403529 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1038 of 1937 🔗

My parents got jabbed last week. My mum was a lockdown zealot before. God knows what this will do to her

403538 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1039 of 1937 🔗

I take it there’s no chance that now she thinks she is ‘safe’ she will stop expecting everyone else to sacrifice their present and future?

403544 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, #1040 of 1937 🔗

We know the vaccine doesn’t prevent anyone catching ‘it’, or transmitting ‘it’.

It must do something.

403577 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to steve_w, #1041 of 1937 🔗

Didn’t I read somewhere on here last week that he was having trouble getting funding?

403582 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Jonny S., #1042 of 1937 🔗

I believe that was for his proposed ‘long-Covid’ study. Some funding decisions are good ones, it seems.

403595 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1043 of 1937 🔗

Well, though they are somewhat bought into the coronanarrative I think the Zoe thing has been done with a pretty straight bat – compared to others like ICL, SAGE

403528 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 10, #1044 of 1937 🔗

He’s an utter cunt, that Snowdon bloke, isn’t he ?

403549 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 2, #1045 of 1937 🔗

Just weak-minded, I think.

403575 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 3, #1046 of 1937 🔗

I agree with that Mark I have been saying for a while on here that he is weak and always sounded it even when he did oppose lockdown.

403593 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #1047 of 1937 🔗

Sounding off in publlc, if he is that weak-minded, amounts to the same thing. 🙂

403530 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1048 of 1937 🔗

There is no question that the pandemic is having a devastating impact on children and young people, not just in terms of their education, but on their wellbeing and mental health too.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1358692329385828352

403536 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Victoria, 14, #1049 of 1937 🔗

I hope what Lozza actually means is that the lockdown is having a devastating impact.
We all need to choose our language carefully.

403625 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to WasSteph, 2, #1050 of 1937 🔗

He’s directly quoting from the DM article. But yes, he could/should have pointed out what the article gets wrong in that quotation, as you say.

403533 Victoria, 7, #1051 of 1937 🔗

I want to look at the way anti-democracy, anti-capitalist far-Left fringe groups in Britain … tend to have much more success hijacking important causes and mainstream cultural activity than the far-Right, and the harm that may do

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1358688463592304641

403539 Victoria, #1052 of 1937 🔗

..

403540 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1053 of 1937 🔗

.Any adverse reactions from the vaccine should be reported on the Yellow Card Scheme

403550 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1054 of 1937 🔗

Then maybe will be able to claim from government compensation scheme in future – could be a tough fight though

404101 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Victoria, #1055 of 1937 🔗

I have read so many people say that they suffered various side effects ‘only’ lasting a couple of days. They weren’t worried because they were told it would be a ‘normal’ and ‘expected’ reaction by vaccinators. I bet these people are not reporting the side effects although they should do.

403553 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 16, #1056 of 1937 🔗

https://youtu.be/oQ9zw2KVx-0

👆 👆 👆 👆

Update from Manchester cafe owner

403576 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to stefarm, 20, #1057 of 1937 🔗

Good man and I wish him the best of luck and will donate to his fund when it’s set up. It comes to something though (and tells you a lot about how cowed the British people have become) when we are relying on these brave immigrants to defend our way of life. I’m so bloody angry at my fellow citizens these days.

403612 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to stefarm, 8, #1058 of 1937 🔗

Thanks for the post. Seems a level headed genuine person who deserves our full support. Let’s hope this can be some kind of catalyst that opens up the freedom to enjoy breakfast in a cafe outside of the states opening and closing times!

403825 ▶▶ isobar, replying to stefarm, #1059 of 1937 🔗

Up to him of course, but would love to have a high resolution photo of Luc posted on the site that I can have printed on a t-shirt or sweatshirt. This man could be our Che!

403972 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to isobar, #1060 of 1937 🔗

Could be used for fund raising as well.

403560 Tom Blackburn, #1061 of 1937 🔗

Some light relief. A royal lectures on slavery.

Daily Mail: Pregnant Princess Eugenie appears in anti-slavery charity video call.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9236545/Pregnant-Princess-Eugenie-makes-glamorous-appearance.html

403570 nocheesegromit, #1062 of 1937 🔗

Thanks to the person who compiled the Spotify playlist – looking forward to listening to it all 🙂

403584 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 35, #1063 of 1937 🔗

I will say this until you all make me into an enemy. I oppose lockdowns. Because they destroy society, culture and economy – all human life. I oppose constraints on freedom of speech, association, conscience and imagination. I do not opposite vaccines, or therapies, or pharmaceutical companies offering therapies on a non profit basis. I oppose “the science” – which is state-sponsored superstition – but not “science”, which is merely knowledge. I oppose cherrypicking statistics or individual anecdotes to support lockdowns, and I oppose cherrypicking statistics and individual anecdotes to frighten people off vaccines.

I do not believe that Bill Gates is anything other than a fantastically successful nerd with a typically American oversimplified “can do” Pelagian/Manichaean view of the world. I do not believe that there is a plot afoot to sterilise the human race or implant chips or whatever else you dream up. I oppose lockdowns. I love human society in all its traditional chaos. Of which you and I are a part. We are going through a massive and probably long overdue spasm in which assumptions of the past two hundred years are dissolved. Good. There is no such thing as infinite economic growth in a finite world. As Wagner said after finally achieving his ambition and staging the Ring at Bayreuth: Kinder, schafft Neues! Do it all differently next time! This happens, in human history. This IS human history.

I believe that we must oppose the totalitarianism. The lockdowns and the principle that the state can order us about in this way. I believe that democracy is a trick that has been baked into our western DNA. It legitimises totalitarianism. Because all you have to do is hypnotise the majority and you’re there.

Read Anselme Bellegarrigue. Good night.

403589 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #1064 of 1937 🔗

I couldn’t agree with your last paragraph more. And perhaps this is just the Fourth Turning.

403594 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 6, #1065 of 1937 🔗

Because all you have to do is hypnotise the majority and you’re there.” Very good. And sadly the magic recipe has been found, at a time when we were susceptible due to various long terms trends.

403603 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #1066 of 1937 🔗

There’s science & there’s applied science, the two are very different things. You do know vaccines, therapies & pharmaceuticals are the 3rd largest killer? Its a fact research it. And there’s no such thing as an altruistic pharma corporation.

Bill Gates is a creepy psychopathic software salesman he’s not bright enough to be a nerd or James Bonds nemesis, Gates has never made or produced anything.

What is happening now can be summed up in one word, ‘politics’ where I disagree with you is that we are just seeing history repeating, there has been numerous examples of individuals having delusions of grandeur believing they can rule the world. Whats really happening is neo-liberalism.

403608 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1067 of 1937 🔗

I agree with much that you say, Northumbrian – particularly opposition to those who would try to impose uniformity on messy reality and its contradictions (your mention of Wagner brings to mind a good example – an individual of questionable character and thought who wrote amazing music).

But :

“… democracy is a trick that has been baked into our western DNA. It legitimises totalitarianism … hypnotise the majority and you’re there.”

No. That’s majoritarianism, not real democracy which protects messiness and dissent.

403629 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1068 of 1937 🔗

If you wish to understand what’s going on there’s only one person to read, Theodore John Kaczynski!

No sane person can advocate or condone his actions, but his insight into industrial civilisation is pure genius.

403648 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1069 of 1937 🔗

As Churchill said more elegantly, democracy is shite but not as shite as the other systems.

It’s the only system that is compatible with individual freedom.

403816 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stewart, #1070 of 1937 🔗

I think we’ve just had very firmly demonstrated that if democracy is necessary for individual freedom (an assertion I’d require quite strong support for, to accept), it clearly isn’t sufficient.

The American founders were very confident that democracy was incompatible with freedom, which is why they were at pains to insist their system was a constitutional republic rather than a democracy.

403839 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stewart, 2, #1071 of 1937 🔗

I’m no fan of the largest minority taking away the rights of individuals, but I’d argue we don’t even have democracy anymore, its really just a totalitarian technocracy.

Look at the US, how is it the states most popular president has to surround himself with the home guard? Gaddafi used to drive around in an open topped car!

Democracy died with the rise of the Clinton mafia. Elections are just theatre.

403649 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #1072 of 1937 🔗

I don’t believe there is a Great Reset, just that very successful billionaires start thinking because they have been successful humanity must benefit from their advice, then their foundations, then their support of causes they believe in, then politicians they believe in, then that they should run things-for our benefit of course.

403659 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #1073 of 1937 🔗

There’s a reason the US is a constitutional republic. The founding fathers knew that pure democracy was a bad idea. Still the US is certainly try to pull itself into a totalitarian state. But there are always those who are fighting back.

403598 Alex, replying to Alex, 7, #1074 of 1937 🔗

I like to post on DM online after a couple of glasses of wine, just for something to do and to relieve some Lockdown tension.

I posted this last night on the “Don’t Panic – COVID 19 Injection” article:

A very serious question. I really do not want any experimental vaccine going into my body, but if I was forced to have it due to the COVID vaccine Passport, which is the best one to take? I prefer one that will not kill me or make me ill or land me up in hospital or give me side effects that may come out in later years. I am a 61 year old female who is not planning a pregnancy any time now…

The first lot of red arrows came really quick and then a handful of replies;

Sputnik, AstraZeneca x 2, Oxford and one undisclosed Vax. They all tried to give helpful advice, without taking any notice whatsoever of my concerns.

Only one person replied with what I thought was the most sensible advice, which was not to take the experimental vaccine due to it not being fully tested and people having severe side effects. I suspect the commenter is a LS?

I now have 30 downvotes and 23 upvotes.

I thought people were starting to come round last week, but now I am not so sure?

403616 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alex, 8, #1075 of 1937 🔗

That arrow is quite representative of the population. They are heavily divided and completely confused about what is right. Some support three week circuit breakers (‘but the real hard ones’), some support masks and distancing (‘makes sense dunnit’), some support hotel quarantines (even for passengers who have tested negative…), some support the vaccine, some think it’s the mask less, some think it’s the super spreader parties, some thought it was the schools, some think lockdowns work.

There has been so much propaganda thrown around that it is impossible to reach a consensus amongst people. I would say Lockdown Sceptics are some of the few people with a relatively coherent position.

403661 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1076 of 1937 🔗

This is such an important point. I would hazard a guess that this is the first time many people have been forced to confront wider social and political issues directly impacting their lives. No wonder there have been so many “head in the sand and hoping it all goes away” reactions.

403642 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Alex, 2, #1077 of 1937 🔗

The majority are sheep and will change their bleat as soon as they start hearing enough of a different tune.

30 vs 23 not bad actually

403677 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Alex, 10, #1078 of 1937 🔗

I would rather go and lick the tongues of an entire ‘covid’ ward than I would take any of those ‘vaccines’

403689 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1079 of 1937 🔗

underrated comment

403693 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1080 of 1937 🔗

Steady, that’s a tad to far.

403801 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1081 of 1937 🔗

Not of they were all gorgeous 20 something women lol

403802 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Anti_socialist, #1082 of 1937 🔗

Not of they were all gorgeous 20 something women lol

403687 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Alex, 4, #1083 of 1937 🔗

The vast majority of my MailOnLine comments are usually heavily green arrowed but I agree it is difficult to read. There is a lot of double-think going on.

403601 Mark, replying to Mark, 26, #1084 of 1937 🔗

Precis of Luc’s message this morning for Telegram refusers:

Luc’s fine. Opening tomorrow as normal. Lots of support from all over the world as well as UK. Lawyers to bring charges against the state militia thug [Luc calls him a “police officer”]. Calls for more people to open up because if they don’t the government will just carry on.

[Polish interviewer interjects: that’s what has happened in Poland – some people opened up and now others are following. Invitations to Good Morning Britain and Richie Allen Show. Will be setting up a fundraising page.]

Back to Luc: police told him the only charge is assaulting police officer [good luck with that one GMP, based on the videos – the reality is you’ll drop it as part of the settlement as soon as the media heat is off]. The other covid-related charges have been taken away. Police say not their job to enforce covid regulations. Luc says purely the council behind it, using police as guards and hiding behind them. Luc pretty positive towards police in general.

Parting words: “someone has to fight”.

Video message here:

https://t.me/THEGREATREOPENING/76952

Too big to Tweet – have to view in Telegram until someone cuts it down or posts it on Youtube.

403609 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Mark, 11, #1085 of 1937 🔗

I would be cautious about the GMB invitation. Morgan will be looking to humiliate him live on air.

403617 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to vargas99, 5, #1086 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely. I hope the people around him will include someone who can warn him to prepare for Morgan as you would for an encounter with a venomous snake. Too many naifs, themselves too decent to expect what Morgan dishes out, have walked in expecting decency or courtesy and been overrun.

403628 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to vargas99, 9, #1087 of 1937 🔗

He should conduct the GMB interview outside the café with 100+ of his customers in attendance. Morgan might be hesitant (although I doubt it) to try to shout down his own audience live on air.

403641 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to vargas99, 9, #1088 of 1937 🔗

Totally. He should decline. Their only purpose is to take him down.
The message will get out to those who want to hear it without going on those shows.

403646 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to stewart, 3, #1089 of 1937 🔗

Yes, good point. either that or he could say he’s going on with Simon Dolan [or someone in a similar vein…] watch how quickly the invitation gets rescinded…

403654 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1090 of 1937 🔗

Good idea. Get Peter Hitchens on with him.

404091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to stewart, 2, #1091 of 1937 🔗

I reckon Neil Oliver would be a good ally. He’s intelligent, articulate, and has for months now been critical of the impact of lockdowns on the economy, society and mental health, and is used to presenting on TV so probably wouldn’t be fazed by the prospect of an audience of millions.

404204 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to vargas99, #1092 of 1937 🔗

The guy should just keep repeating that Morgan publicly stated he was proud of his son’s involvement in a non socially distanced BLM protest and that the whole of the news media are exempted from lockdown.

403686 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 4, #1093 of 1937 🔗

Stay away from the Legacy media

403709 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 6, #1094 of 1937 🔗

He really ought to stay away from GMB and the odious Morgan. That’s got ‘ambush’ written all over it. He’ll be vilified and made to look bad, evil, etc. There’d be very little opportunity for rational dialogue with the cretinous Morgan.

403762 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1095 of 1937 🔗

Couldn’t agree more . Me personally I wouldn’t appear on that shitty piece of TV if THEY paid me

403721 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 2, #1096 of 1937 🔗

How many of our beloved police officers must suffer these assaults? I saw the video, and the vile, bearded man can be seen clearly headbutting the officer’s left fist…
https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/1358484233749159951

404202 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Sam Vimes, #1097 of 1937 🔗

Crisis actors

403757 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Mark, 5, #1098 of 1937 🔗

My wife has messaged him via the twatterbook, or whatever it is, to say stay away from GMB.
Maybe a few of you who have entered the 20th century could also message him, I still use fountain pen and paper, It’s a seriously bad idea.

403604 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 17, #1099 of 1937 🔗

This is incredible. Police try bullying protesters but get overwhelmed as the PEOPLE force them back. Watch as the police realise they’re in trouble. Look at their faces as they start shitting themselves. Effing BRLLIANT. What goes around comes around, you utter scum. I would just say, they’ve already chosen their side, so chanting ‘Choose your side’ is pretty pointless. Then again if it persuades one…

https://youtu.be/h8FBZU4Cjjs

403607 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #1100 of 1937 🔗

Excellent stuff! That’s all you gotta know, there’s more of us than them, all we have to do is stick together.

Chanting anything is pointless in terms of affecting the police, they are trained to ignore it, it probably just stirs them up, but it also stirs the crowd up to 😉

403694 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1101 of 1937 🔗

” Traitors ” is a better name for them , rather than this choose your side bollocks.
As previously said it’s been made pretty clear who’s side they are on for years .

403737 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1102 of 1937 🔗

Mass pushback is the only way.

Individuals will simply be made into examples.

403620 ▶▶ alw, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1103 of 1937 🔗

When was this?

403638 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to alw, 5, #1104 of 1937 🔗

I think it was Hyde Park late last year, but I’m not certain.

403621 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1105 of 1937 🔗

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that video before and it’s from months ago. Still great to watch but AFAIK not representative of anything going on recently, sadly.

403675 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to JohnDanny, #1106 of 1937 🔗

Errm, I couldn’t see their faces as they were all wearing masks.

DavidC

403699 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to DavidC, 2, #1107 of 1937 🔗

Then you didn’t look hard enough, my friend. Plenty were ‘maskless’ underneath their head gear/face shields.

403769 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1108 of 1937 🔗

I love that at these protests there is generally an old boy or two that is clearly middle/upper class and very game.

403827 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1109 of 1937 🔗

Leaves on trees. A movement needed but lost in time.

403834 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1110 of 1937 🔗

A real rising needed. Either that or humbling of our leaders. Ergo an uprising only solution

403605 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 16, #1111 of 1937 🔗

Media are going into overdrive today around the South African variant. Because its resistant to one of the vaccines this means we must all lock down forever.

However, many social media armchair epidemiologists are saying that its not all bad! There is no reason why we can’t suppress the virus with restrictions like rule of 6 over summer until they update the vaccine in September (when they will probably discover a fresh new strain to lock us down for over the winter).

Pathetic and predictable. No normality this year because even with a vaccine we must constantly suppress the virus so it doesn’t mutate. Normal life eradicated because of a 0.2-7% risk of death.

403622 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1112 of 1937 🔗

Risk is much lower that that.

Ioannidis estimate – currently 0,15 to 02.

However, this takes the absurdly inflated official death figures as the numerator in that calculation.

Sunetra Gupta was pressed on her estimated IFR back in Ma (By Freddie Sayer) and said 0.05%

403664 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to rockoman, 11, #1113 of 1937 🔗

Exactly. This was the first sign to me that something sinister was going on. As soon as it was clear the death rate was not the 3% they initially predicted but the fear campaign and doom mongering kept going it was apparent that somebody has an ulterior motive and that governments are very content to manufacture a crisis.

404199 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ricky1, #1114 of 1937 🔗

Yep that’s one of the reasons LS shouldn’t go down the MSM vaccine narrative route. It’s a trap. As soon as evidence emerges that vaccination isn’t a 100% solution, the lockdown lunatics will be baying for repressive measures to continue or expanded. They will certainly use this sort of thing as an argument for more coercive pressure to vaccinate ie vaccine passports.

403606 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #1115 of 1937 🔗

Covid BBC obsessed MIL hasn’t wanted us or anyone to visit them since the weekend before Christmas, terrified that we all may be diseased and give it to her. She is 68 and in good health apart from high blood pressure (bbc really going to help with that!). Her and FIL got their 1st Pfziter vaccine 9 days ago.
Yesterday, their teenage grandson, our nephew, cycled to their house unannounced and was ‘allowed in’ for a short while.
FIL attended a private medical appointment regarding his back on Saturday, today he got a call from the Doctor that he saw saying he has tested positive for Covid! So FIL and (now hysterical) MIL have to isolate for 10 days.
Obviously I have a little bit of concern because their immune system is sensitive from having the vaccine a week ago and Covid could be harsh on them, but maybe if they got Covid and weren’t too bad with it, it would give her some sort of relief, also that if she got it, it certainly wasn’t from us.
However the irony of it all has oddly amused me.

403611 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #1116 of 1937 🔗

Kind of reinforces the inherent futility of trying to hide away, doesn’t it….

403613 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1117 of 1937 🔗

I hope they’re ok and if they genuinely have it that it’s mild. I wonder though, if the positive test isn’t coming from the vaccine? Maybe someone on here with more scientific / medical knowledge than me can advise if that’s likely.

403624 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1118 of 1937 🔗

I really don’t understand how so many people are testing positive after having a jab. It’s not an attenuated vaccine. It doesn’t contain the virus. Even if it did, it shouldn’t end up in the upper respiratory tract. Anyone made any sense of this?

403655 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to leggy, 4, #1119 of 1937 🔗

Viral fragments from goodness knows how long ago? Plus even the vaccinistas don’t claim any protection from the jab until 3 weeks after receiving it.

403663 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to leggy, 6, #1120 of 1937 🔗

Don’t discount false positives. Remember we still don’t actually have an accurate diagnostic test yet and never have.

403670 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1121 of 1937 🔗

I wouldn’t worry about so-called ‘covid’ – it’s just a cold. I would however worry about the so-called ‘vaccine’. your parents in law will probably be dead within the year – 5 years at most

403610 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #1122 of 1937 🔗

I asked the DHSC for evidence to support teh SAGE memebr Mark Walport’s comments a month or so ago as he was spouting a lot of shite and bollocks.

Got an answer back from them.

Basically as long as he does not say it in an official meeting that is documented he can say what he likes:

“The Act does not cover unrecorded information that officials may remember, opinions that officials might have”

But they do keep any issues rasied on record to track what is being raised so the more peopel who contact them asking about any evidence to support teh ravings of SAGE memebrs on TV, in newspapers etc teh ebtter.

“The Department is, however, continuing to record all the correspondence that it receives so that it is able to track the main issues being raised by the public. ”

I did try and contact him via his employer asking for his evidence to support his stance but as usual a deafening silence.

403615 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1123 of 1937 🔗

Thanks AG, for everything that you do.

403643 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1124 of 1937 🔗

Here’s the questions i asked:

In a recent interview that was published in the online version of the Daily Mail Professor Sir Mark Walport made some claims and I would like the scientific evidence he is referencing to support these NPIs:

1 – the evidence that “keeping people apart” can stop the spread of a virus.

2 – the evidence that the ”mutant strain” is “transmitting rapidly” within school age children.

2a – If this is from “positive” results from RT-PCR or Lateral Flow Tests then please supply the evidence that a positive test means anything medically and the person is actually suffering from the virus as defined by the standard medical definition of a case.

3 – the evidence that the “mutant strain” is seven times more likely to “infect” a household.

4 – the evidence that any stricter measures are required when the “mutant strain” is no more dangerous than the original strain – his quote ‘It’s good to note it doesn’t appear to cause worse disease”

5 – the evidence that Vietnam “suppressed” any virus by their lockdown measures

6 – the evidence that social distancing can stop transmission of a virus when the policy, as admitted by Professor Dingwall, a fellow SAGE committee member “it was conjured up out of nowhere”.

7 – the evidence that any restrictive lockdown measure applied anywhere worldwide had any impact on the trajectory of the virus when compared against countries that had less restrictive lockdowns or even those such as Sweden, Belarus or the State of South Dakota where the measures applied were minimal.

The reason I ask is that over the past 10 months, as regular as a winter ‘flu season and the screaming fear-mongering MSM headlines about the collapse of the NHS, up pops a member of SAGE pontificating their wisdom.

Neither Professor Mark Walport, SAGE nor the Government can supply any real-life evidence that supports the claims that any of their mitigations that are now policy or are being bandied about for future consideration will work.

Over the past 10 months I have found nothing, either published on the gov.uk website, in the public domain, released under the Freedom of Information Act nor from real-life data compiled from the various lockdown measures enacted around the world that any of the much-touted non-pharmaceutical interventions he supports actually work.

In fact, most of the NPIs that have been enacted go against the World Health Organisations recommendations and also are at odds with almost all independent research carried out and published in the past 10 months such as the Danish Mask Study Randomised Control Trial or the researchgate investigation and roundup of all recent science on covid-19 amongst other works published independent researchers.

Our Government can only supply links to studies that have been data analysed and that contain references to masked hamsters, gerbils and mannequins or to studies who’s stated conclusion does not match the main body of the literature nor the results obtains but is completely at odds with the rest of the report/study.

Might contact him via Imperial again just to stir some shit.

403826 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1125 of 1937 🔗

Absolutely. Those questions are dynamite

403614 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1126 of 1937 🔗

Just declined the vaccine in a call from my GP surgery.

Total silence at the other end of the phone for a good 8-10 seconds, then an almost incredulous “Oh!”

Next will be the call from the GP, or practice nurse, to explain that being on the CEV list means I should have it.

403632 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1127 of 1937 🔗

Good for you, no snake oil in your vains rely on the good old immune system.

403703 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1128 of 1937 🔗

“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

403837 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1129 of 1937 🔗

“ongoing clinical trials” – well yes, exactly

404090 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1130 of 1937 🔗

Thanks, GS. I’ll have a read of that later.

403819 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1131 of 1937 🔗

More power to you. Much respect

403619 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 58, #1132 of 1937 🔗

Me and my old dear down at the council office sorting her poll tax out,WW2 on face as I entered old dear maskless.. the fuckers were given the run around for just under an hour, manager, some prat from social services and a couple of others all carping on that I was possiblity over reacting, one mentioned the vaccine,at this point I removed WW2 and quoted vaccine death figures from info gleaned from health impact news.this shut the fuckers down, and the cherry on the cake old dear got 400 of tax ,plus back pay due to overcharging..

403626 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1133 of 1937 🔗

Jolly good Bruce, keep it up. I do enjoy hearing about your adventures.

403631 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #1134 of 1937 🔗

Haha legend! 🙂

403634 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 19, #1135 of 1937 🔗

I’m afraid my old mum would not agree with you, Being a prat is what she calls it..

403637 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #1136 of 1937 🔗

some prat from social services and a couple of others all carping on that I was possiblity over reacting,

You were overreacting?! My experience is that it’s the other way round.

They wouldn’t be saying that if they saw the amount of ‘overreacting’ bullshit I get in the mail from my local council.

403651 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1137 of 1937 🔗

I think the problem there is when there sending bullshit out it’s fine and dandy, but when it comes to them up close and personal as a certain Mr Jones used to say”They don’t like it up em”..

403681 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #1138 of 1937 🔗

Yes; that’s my experience, too.

403698 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1139 of 1937 🔗

manager, some prat from social services and a couple of others..” Well if that’s 4 people, statistically speaking ,1.32 of them were spreading a deadly virus around all over the place. I hope they made that clear in their dealings with you. unless… the councils wouldn’t be lying about that, would they?! 🙂

403715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 11, #1140 of 1937 🔗

And coming from behind the bullet proof screens all 4 trying to observe distancing rules,all masked and at the same time talking to me in WW2 and old dear who is hard of hearing, there rules not mine you reap what you sow.

403669 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #1141 of 1937 🔗

Always makes my day

404113 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #1142 of 1937 🔗

Well done both of you.

403627 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 16, #1143 of 1937 🔗

NEW KILLER STRAIN discovered in French care home. 25 out of 27 people who died suddenly in care home have tested for an unknown new strain. Not Kent, not Brasilian, not South African. Its prompting new measures for testing if anyone tests positive.
And so it will go on and on and on.

403633 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, 8, #1144 of 1937 🔗

Oh by the way no news if this home had just had the vaccine. but whatever its going to give the ‘scientists’ pressing Macron to have a 3rd lockdown all sorts of new ammunition.

403673 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, 1, #1145 of 1937 🔗

English language report on care home, from Connexion;
New care home variantThese new measures come as 27 residents of an elderly care home in Aisne, Hauts-de-France, have died from what is suspected to be a highly-contagious and new mutation of the virus.
In a few weeks, 107 of the 111 residents have been affected by the virus, with 27 dead. Of the 70 staff, 57 have tested positive.
The strain is thought to be a new mutation of the existing known variants. Of the 30 samples taken from the care home, 25 showed evidence of a new strain, different again from the UK, South-African or Brazilian variants.
Minister for Personal Independence Brigitte Bourguignon said that the situation was being managed. She said: “The means are available. There was also pressure to bring in more staff to help, which we have. The Red Cross and home-care staff have stepped in.”
Investigations are now underway to determine the suspected origin of this new strain.

403742 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to peyrole, #1146 of 1937 🔗

WEF

403780 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to peyrole, 7, #1147 of 1937 🔗

I read her name as Beef Bourguignon, either it’s getting close to tea time or I’ve been locked for too long

403829 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to peyrole, 2, #1148 of 1937 🔗

“Minister for Personal Independence”

Only the French …

403884 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to peyrole, 4, #1149 of 1937 🔗

Crazy question but were they vaccinated?

404067 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1150 of 1937 🔗

I think we all know the answer to that one.

403859 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to peyrole, 4, #1151 of 1937 🔗

A new strain just after France had said there would not be another lockdown, where have we heard that before? Are people really that stupid and lacking critical thinking they fall for it?

403660 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to peyrole, 3, #1152 of 1937 🔗

Does this mean we can hold up traffic at Calais?

403665 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #1153 of 1937 🔗

Depending on who or what you believe there is apparently up to 70% less traffic at Calais since 1/1/21

403682 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to peyrole, 10, #1154 of 1937 🔗

UK column today reporting on a emerging pattern.Care homes which have been Covid free vaccinate the inmates and have a killer outbreak about a week later.

403691 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1155 of 1937 🔗

The correlation we’re seeing is too strong to be a coincidence. The open letter sent contains analysis that shows as much.

403743 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1156 of 1937 🔗

Pure coincidence, nothing to see here, move along now, you’re holding up the queue for the showers

403730 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to peyrole, 3, #1157 of 1937 🔗

Fromage Flu?

403735 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1158 of 1937 🔗

😂

403952 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1159 of 1937 🔗

Froggie Flu peut-être ?? 🙂

403732 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to peyrole, 5, #1160 of 1937 🔗

The vaccine strain?

403739 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1161 of 1937 🔗

See Dr Vernon Coleman’s latest gig ! + Dr Mike Yeadon pulled from twatter! If they are both wrong then I’m a Dutchman !

403652 alw, replying to alw, 35, #1162 of 1937 🔗

No U.K. hotels prepared to sign up to be quarantine hotels probably because they don’t want to damage their brand. Thank goodness this is biting the dust. Also the possibility of legal challenges. Vaccine passports won’t happen either. All tactics to scare the peasants. Peasants are made of stronger stuff than the shower and their cheerleaders in Westminster.

403671 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to alw, 7, #1163 of 1937 🔗

I wouldn’t be so sure, before long this may well be their sole possible source of income. Who is going to use a hotel for any other reason in the current circumstances?

403695 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to alw, 3, #1164 of 1937 🔗

No U.K. hotels prepared to sign up to be quarantine hotels probably because they don’t want to damage their brand.

Hasn’t stopped them where the asylum seekers are concerned.

403828 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1165 of 1937 🔗

They are not hotel chains. Bog standard B&B’s

404055 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, #1166 of 1937 🔗

At least that has a useful purpose.

403662 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1167 of 1937 🔗

What a bitter sweet irony if the Covidians are wiped out by the snake oil sold to them by their leader

Like Jonestown but on an industrial scale

Monkey Gunk as the new Kool Aid

Anyway I have first dibs on Piers pad. Other properties are available but I expect a finders fee

403713 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, #1168 of 1937 🔗

it’s not really that great. because then they’ll be coming for the rest of us.

403782 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1169 of 1937 🔗

There was a conspiracy theory mentioned on this site a few months back that this is a test – those who take the “vaccine” have failed and will die as a result of doing so, leaving behind a population of people who can think.

403797 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1170 of 1937 🔗

I didn’t see it but I have wondered about this this too…

403818 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1171 of 1937 🔗

I’ve tried long and hard to spread that one. 🙂

403823 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1172 of 1937 🔗

Well, that’s me. I’ve had that discussion with the wife.

She pointed out, though, that they might think the opposite. People who think are dangerous; they don’t want a population that think for themselves.

403668 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 14, #1173 of 1937 🔗

‘Whitehall sources believe that companies who adopt a “jab for a job” stance are protected by current health and safety laws which require workers to protect not only themselves, but also colleagues from harm.’ Really? So they can insist everyone has the influenza vaccine as well. And a sanity vaccine too, presumably, to stop that proliferating at the rate it has been recently. And then a truth vaccine to protect us from lies (or would that be to protect us from truth, getting a bit confused lately?) And then a measles vaccine and a MMR vaccine certificate. In fact the logical extension of this farce is to insist that every employee has (or proof they already have had) every vaccine that is currently on the market. More spondoola for pharma – whoopee!!!!!

403676 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to HoMojo, 11, #1174 of 1937 🔗

Invasion of employee privacy?
Nuremberg convention of human rights – how can a company mandate something a country is banned from doing?

403728 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 7, #1175 of 1937 🔗

Nuremberg is the big one for me. There are some who due to age involved in politics, whether advisors or interns etc, who really do not grasp why Nuremberg happened.

404020 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1176 of 1937 🔗

People get offended when I say it : but you are either on the side of Hitler, or of Civilization. There’s no in-between.

404119 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1177 of 1937 🔗

Because they’ve paid off all the judges?

403690 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to HoMojo, 10, #1178 of 1937 🔗

There is also a logic fail here.

All residents in care homes will have been vaccinated so they are protected and all staff who want to be vaccinated also. So, even though the vaccine reportedly doesn’t make you immune or stop you spreading the virus, every member of staff must be vaccinated. Why?

403794 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1179 of 1937 🔗

… and for a virus which poses little threat for the vast majority of us.

The whole response has been a massive logic fail from start to finish. None of it makes any sense. That’s their strategy though isn’t it – to confuse us all into blind helplessness and obedience.

403700 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to HoMojo, 12, #1181 of 1937 🔗

The government are hoping that employers do their dirty work for them. This way they can get vaccination mandated via the back door without any new legislation. I believe that this is going to be (from their point of view) spectacularly successful. The vast majority of employers will mandate vaccination for their employees.

I predict that by the end of this year only around 10% of the population will not have received one of the Covid vaccines. These will be the hard core refuseniks.

403708 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 9, #1182 of 1937 🔗

see you in the gulag. I have always said that if they want to kill me, they are going to have to do it openly, and without my co-operation, although I don’t look forward to torture.

404121 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to JaneHarry, #1183 of 1937 🔗

I was there last night in my dreams. I was walking round shouting all of your names

403731 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Richard O, 2, #1184 of 1937 🔗

Also they know the Jab will eventually be required everywhere whilst professing that they didn’t mandate it ! Simples ! 😭

404035 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to HoMojo, 2, #1185 of 1937 🔗

The problem is that Covid is not a severe and imminent threat. In the place where a friend works they have masks/visors mandates in rooms where you can’t be separated. It’s based on incorrect ideas.

The problem is that HS and using the excuse of the government’s advice which when it eventually is shown to be crap (as AG has shown from FOI) harm will have been done to workers based on faulty information.

The other thing that is amazing is that a lot of worksites are little experiments in themselves and they could have looked at the data over the months and said we don’t need any of this. The problem is insurance. They most likely aren’t covered for Covid claims so need to do something.

403674 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 35, #1186 of 1937 🔗

Masks, distancing, lockdowns and now ‘vaccinations’ for almost a year.

How dare the prople of Belarus and Tanzania have the cheek to continue to exist?

That simple fact, that these countries have not implemented these measures, but that the people continue to live, proves conclusively what an utter load of bollocks it all is.

403678 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 18, #1187 of 1937 🔗

Any country that does not submit will be receiving the requisite regime change in due course. None of this works unless there is 100% compliance worldwide.

403772 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, #1188 of 1937 🔗

Guardian going after Magufuli today.
How dare he!

403688 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rockoman, 7, #1189 of 1937 🔗

I know nothing about the leadership of either country but I suspect it wont last much longer, when the IMF & world bank turn the thumb screws.

403722 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1190 of 1937 🔗

Ukranian Strainan incoming

403724 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1191 of 1937 🔗

They already took out a non-compliant leader in Burundi.

I’m surprised the fellow in Tanzania has lasted this long.

403810 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 3, #1192 of 1937 🔗

And that not a single country has fallen. Like the lockdown experiment has worked so well, despite all its versions, and zero catastrophes. You’d expect one to have maybe ran out of money, had to open up and their population died in their millions. But no.

403855 ▶▶ isobar, replying to rockoman, 5, #1193 of 1937 🔗

Totally agree, but worrying that Sweden late in the day of tightened up restrictions and apparently is going for the vaccine passport. I think that they are being punished for being out of line. Rumours (as yet unsubstantiated ) that Tegnell has been fired are an additional concern

403881 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 3, #1194 of 1937 🔗

What I hear from those I know in Sweden is that there are no new restrictions. Masks recommended in public transport during rush hour. That’s it.

403683 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 32, #1195 of 1937 🔗

An argument often used by lockdown opponents is that lockdown measures have nothing to do with a virus and there is an agenda behind lockdowns. Does anyone feel right from the start of the first lockdown in March that lockdowns had nothing to do with a virus.

403696 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ianric, 27, #1196 of 1937 🔗

Yep, I absolutely do now. I didn’t at the time, I was one of the morons who fell for all the shit. it took me about 1-2 months to slowly wake up, and now I am extremely hardline against all of it: I sometimes put that down to having been duped at first, it made me extremely angry, and there is nothing so zealous as an apostate

403714 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #1197 of 1937 🔗

I’ve been one of those nut job prepers for a fair while now, not because i believe everything david icke says, but simply because i don’t want to be reliant on government when the shit hits the fan. When covid hit china i raised my eye brows, but even with all my scepticism & distrust of the system i was blind sided by lockdowns, but not for one second did i feel it was warranted, the only other person i was aware of at that time, i agreed with was Hitchens. Don’t agree with him on much else apart from adverse reaction to socialism.

403727 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #1198 of 1937 🔗

I guess I’m still a moron in so far as I didn’t and still don’t think that everyone was in on it. I do think China have been laughing at us for the last year and WHO were useful idiots.

403754 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1199 of 1937 🔗

Leading up to this there were the extintion rebellion madness, MSM and social media jumped on that bandwagon very quickly, anyone who said anything against them was immediately deemed wrong. I have always thought that showed how easily people could be led in a certain direction.

403890 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #1200 of 1937 🔗

I thought that there was something underhand going on when China announced that there had been 3 deaths from the new corona virus. I immediately found out what the population of China was and thought….3 dead from anything in a population of 1500,000,000 seemed a bit un-newsworthy

403697 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ianric, 25, #1201 of 1937 🔗

It was clear from the offing that the actions taken were completely disproportionate to the risks.

403701 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Ianric, 14, #1202 of 1937 🔗

Boris was scarred that many people would die and he would get the blame. It is the same with masks, looking like he was doing something.

403758 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Laura Suckling, 12, #1203 of 1937 🔗

There was an earlier post on here from a contributor who reported having suffered long Covid and now recovered. They said one of the issues was “brain fog”. I wonder if our current PM has this? He certainly is not behaving rationally.

403807 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to WasSteph, 11, #1204 of 1937 🔗

But, he never did. He used to write 2 articles with opposing views for his newspaper, and hand over the one he thought most relevant

403870 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to WasSteph, 4, #1205 of 1937 🔗

Needs a brain first. Pretty sure Boris is a starfish.

403875 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1206 of 1937 🔗

Jellyfish

403939 ▶▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1207 of 1937 🔗

of the chocolate variety

403936 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to WasSteph, #1208 of 1937 🔗

Haha good point

403702 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ianric, 25, #1209 of 1937 🔗

The sudden u-turn abandoning decades of science & accumulated medical knowledge is a smoking gun that too many dismiss.

403704 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Ianric, 25, #1210 of 1937 🔗

Definitely. All the advice and experience from history said lockdowns do not work and should not be used. Even the WHO said this. Then on 19th March WHO said the virus was not highly dangerous and was like the flu. So on 22nd March the government did the lockdown.

It then comes out on 2nd March they signed a £112 million deal with a marketing company to come up with all the lockdown and covid banners, adverts & propaganda. For them to have done that in 2nd March, they mist have decided for the lockdown back in Jan. Which made the whole “u turn” on herd immunity and no lockdown a bit of a sham.

403733 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ThomasT, 16, #1211 of 1937 🔗

The whole thing is a sham – and I’ve never believed the Boris was pressured into it by the meeja nonsense.

I did fall for the virus guff in the first week or so but the propaganda was so relentless it very soon became an obvious case of the lady protesting far too loudly.

403706 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ianric, 13, #1212 of 1937 🔗

When I read this MIT article on 17th March 2020 it was clear that transforming society was the goal:

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905264/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/

403723 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 2, #1213 of 1937 🔗

good find.

403833 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 9, #1214 of 1937 🔗

This paragraph is chilling:

Ultimately, however, I predict that we’ll restore the ability to socialize safely by developing more sophisticated ways to identify who is a disease risk and who isn’t, and discriminating—legally—against those who are.

403908 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1215 of 1937 🔗

Nothing sinister there then. I await my yellow star. Just reminding everyone your chance of surviving the virus is 99.8% under 65 and pretty much 95% over.

403710 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ianric, 13, #1216 of 1937 🔗

What did lockdown facilitate?

Emergency enforcement powers, forced closure of SMBs, large corporate bailouts, corporate monopolisation, greater media power, movement restrictions, compliance, destruction of community.

Cui bono?

403862 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1217 of 1937 🔗

Poverty

403917 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Victoria, 5, #1218 of 1937 🔗

Just listened to Prof Jay Bhattacharya refer to the lockdowns as targeted protection for the rich.

403711 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ianric, 10, #1219 of 1937 🔗

Yes from the beginning and most certainly when Ferguson was involved, he had done it before, cull the healthy plus had been so wrong on how many deaths would occur with other pandemics, it was only going one way.

I have said previously my mantra, believe nothing, check everything.

403712 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ianric, 19, #1220 of 1937 🔗

Yes – the use of the tem ‘new normal’ right from the beginning.

HCQ made prescription.only n France on January 13th, after being over the counter for 60 years.

The attempt right from the beginning to exaggerate deaths and create an atmosphere of fear, wheras normally governments would be looking to calm populations down.

The insistence right from the beginning that a vaccine was the only exit.

The censorship right from the beginning.

403720 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 8, #1221 of 1937 🔗

God knows whether it would get anywhere – probably not – but I would love to see the HCQ thing looked into by a proper investigative journalist

403736 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 10, #1222 of 1937 🔗

Exactly. Very few people took heed of just how deadly serious the “new normal” mantra was in those heady days of unbroken Spring sunshine and “we’re all in this together” pot-banging bullshit.

Everything I have seen since has deeply upset me, but not surprised me.

403745 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ianric, 17, #1223 of 1937 🔗

The data from the Diamond Princess told us that this virus wasn’t going to be the Black Death, or even the Plague of Justinian.

403798 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ianric, 8, #1224 of 1937 🔗

Mothering Sunday, my son visited us, told him then it was a load of ****, actually said it was a coup. In a way it was.

403800 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ianric, 1, #1225 of 1937 🔗

Err, yes.

403895 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ianric, 7, #1226 of 1937 🔗

Because I have never believed ANYTHING that comes out of “The System” and because I have been paying close attention to all sorts of interesting stuff that normies dismiss as “conspiracy theory” since at least the late 80’s.

I knew The Corona Project was a massive scam. I watched in horror as the sheeple swallowed it up even although it was obvious to me what was really going on.

A multi-faceted 5-D chess game of psychological warfare the likes of which I have never seen before driving a plethora of agenda’s or “convergent opportunities” from a host of actors.

The virus being mercilessly exploited as a catalyst of global social change.

403929 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ianric, 8, #1227 of 1937 🔗

Yep, nothing to do with a “virus”.

Knew that back in February 2020.

Why you ask?

This:

The first piece of “coronavirus” legislation was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.

This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.

Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?

As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.

Then on the 19th March 2020 the coronavirus was downgraded and was no longer classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease.

On the 23rd March 2020, the Prime Minister announced the start of the “lockdown” and the relevant legislation was written, laid before Parliament and commenced the 26th March 2020.

So what we have is:

– issue of medical (non)advice 30th January 2020 which was used as the declaration of “serious and imminent threat” for all future legislation
– legislation introduced 10th February 2020
– downgrade the disease 19th March 2020
– announced the population imprisonment 23rd March 2020
– introduce legislation 26th March 2020
– and so it continues 7 months after “3 weeks to save the NHS” with no end in sight

Isn’t something wrong with this scenario?

403992 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1228 of 1937 🔗

It’s useful sometimes to remind oneself of the precise dates.

It’s fascinating how government interference and manipulation increased in direct opposition to the known declining threat level.

404041 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Ianric, 7, #1229 of 1937 🔗

Yes. My gut feeling said the whole thing was fake. The Chinese people collapsing in the street, the bodies of Italian ‘victims’ wrapped in what looked like black bin liners, propped up in armchairs like a macabre theatre scene – and then there was the ‘bat soup’, which at first I did believe. The propaganda arm of global government was obviously playing on the ‘Bloody Chinese, they’ll eat anything’, meme, but the more nothing made sense (eg ‘ A deadly killer virus is stalking the world’ but our borders not being closed), the more the bat soup seemed like theatre too. When the WHO said it was safe to let the Chinese wet markets open again in the April that was when I knew we were all being played. The fact that the MSM wasn’t asking the most basic of questions prickled my senses too – and then the onslaught of propaganda started. No British government in recent history (before Bliar and his Weapons of Mass Distraction) has deliberately tried to terrify the public like this. In a real pandemic, if bodies were piling up in the streets which is what they implied would happen, they would be trying to keep everyone calm – just like they do after a terrorist attack.

404044 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ianric, 3, #1230 of 1937 🔗

My sceptical views were cemented when I read this article in March 2020:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

404069 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #1231 of 1937 🔗

Yes OffGuardian were terrific on this right from the off. I read them every day back in March and also the Swiss Doctor. I always thought the virus was over-blown – Diamond Princess, too much media hyperbole, obvious crisis actors in China and Lombardy, excited talk of mass graves and overrun morgues, BBC breathlessly gushing on 2nd March news (it was on in the office break area) about 51 cases now here – I remember saying to a colleague “wake me up when it’s 51,000”. I admit I thought the lockdowns were just wrongheaded government actions till mid April when it rolled on into another 3 weeks and I could see there was no exit plan at all.

404163 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ianric, 2, #1232 of 1937 🔗

Right from day one. Seen nothing to change my opinion.

403705 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 19, #1233 of 1937 🔗

I see a potential competitive advantage for an enterprising country in this situation.

What if Brazil, for example, were to invest in its digital infrastructure in order to attract digital entrpreneurs to say Rio, or a development near it. It would advertise the presence of traditional social life with clubs, bars, concerts, clubs etc It could make itself into a global centre for Internet business attracting people from all over the world who want to live fully human lives.

All that with tropical beaches.

This would give a heck of a boost to the economy. All that the migrants would need is a great Internet connection.

It would attract many enterprising taxpayers, leaving their home countries ‘safer’, but poorer.

Come on, Mr Bolsanaro,

403751 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 12, #1234 of 1937 🔗

I fear we are going to need new countries if we want normal lives

403803 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 8, #1235 of 1937 🔗

Finland will pay your rent for a year to come an work in IT there.

403830 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1236 of 1937 🔗

That’s got my name written all over it – being fuckin useless and talking bollocks

403864 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1237 of 1937 🔗

Awesome, and Kimi Raikkonen can be my landlord!

403878 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to rockoman, 2, #1238 of 1937 🔗

You do know that Rio has been under some form of quarantine since March last year? Carnaval is cancelled this month, no samba, no extra days off, bars and restaurants have to shut by 10pm, and those tropical beaches were blocked off for New Year to avoid crowds. I know of a couple of videos doing the rounds showing bars full to overflowing, but they do not represent the reality for most Cariocas and a normal human life isn’t very likely. Try getting on the BRT without a muzzle and see how that goes.

When you add in the high crime rate, regular shoot-outs along the main roads, and the crappy infrastructure, plus several failed big ticket projects for the region (polo petroquimico and the formula 1 track are the latest) it doesn’t look very attractive.

403707 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #1239 of 1937 🔗

Is it true that no hotel chain has signed up to be a quarantine hotel, as it’ll damage their brand? Let’s hope that it’s true.

403784 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #1240 of 1937 🔗
  • Travelodge   Shouldn’t’ve Travelledlodge
  • Holiday Inn   Holiday Locked Inn
  • Hilton     Illton
  • Crowne Plaza  Crowne Lager
  • Mercure     MoreCure
  • Radisson    Rabidisson
  • Malmaison    Maladymaison
403795 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 11, #1241 of 1937 🔗

Pest Western

403804 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1242 of 1937 🔗

You struggled with that Crowne Plaza one, didn’t you. 😉

403843 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1243 of 1937 🔗

Hat tip to Cranmer for the Best Western one. Kicking myself 🙂

404014 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1244 of 1937 🔗

Corona Plaza maybe? 🙂

404042 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #1245 of 1937 🔗

*bows deep*

403814 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1246 of 1937 🔗

Jury’s Gulag
Britannia-Belsen
Novohell
Marrisnott

403872 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1247 of 1937 🔗

shouldnt that be Trial without Jury

403815 ▶▶ alw, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #1248 of 1937 🔗

True. Quarantine like vaccine passports dead in the water. No one wants to sully their brand name. Easy to get fake passports. Scare tactics don’t work. Peasants 2 : Govt 0

403717 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #1249 of 1937 🔗

Just spotted this in the DT reporting of France “tightening test and trace measures” for anyone with “the English mutant”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/08/france-tightens-test-and-trace-rules-amid-fears-variant-surge/

“All contact cases must take an RT-PCR test the day they are identified, the note stipulates. Any patient who tests positive with a variant and contact cases considered high-risk can receive home help from a nurse and will be “systematically offered specific housing,” it adds.” (My bold)

What happens if they systemically refuse? Does anyone know any more about this specific housing in France?

403799 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1250 of 1937 🔗

This is coming here. You think those quarantine hotels are just for foreigners? Well

403812 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1251 of 1937 🔗

Quite. That’s why I’m asking. .

403718 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 29, #1252 of 1937 🔗

The onslaught on the BAMES by the legacy media is stunning and brave to watch
of course- not bigotry when the MSM call them uneducated about vaccines
My sides

403734 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Crystal Decanter, 27, #1253 of 1937 🔗

Its a thing of beauty to behold. The media don’t care about the BAME community and never have. The BLM politics has just been an extremely effective diversion to divide the population.

403791 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 17, #1254 of 1937 🔗

I was thinking this. Previously sacrosanct BAME rights and ‘disability discrimination’ is thrown out of the window in a heartbeat if it doesn’t suit the agenda of compulsory vaccination and masks. It’s like the breaking of the Nazi-Soviet pact in 1941.

403741 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #1255 of 1937 🔗

Brilliant.As the media switch from one narrative to another one without taking breath.
They could provoke riots if they are not careful.The Bame communities have a lot of people of rioting age in concentrated areas of cities.

403891 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1256 of 1937 🔗

Also many BAME people work in healthcare, good luck with that.

404173 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1257 of 1937 🔗

While I don’t agree with all the ‘I’m a victim’ stuff the BAME community have represented – often by firebrands who don’t represent the real feelings of the community – i suspect they are a damn sight stronger than the MSM. Popcorn time.

403726 dhid, replying to dhid, 23, #1258 of 1937 🔗

This is probably a minor issue in the scheme of things but, I have mentioned in the comments here previously, how damned annoying I find the Covid “advice” ads on every radio station, including Talk Radio.

As the frequency of them seems to be getting higher, I decided to email Talk Radio this morning and ask some questions about them.

As of 16:30 today I haven’t yet had any response, not even an acknowledgement of my email.

For information, below is the content of the email – if anyone knows the answer to any of the questions, I imagine there are quite a few people here who might be interested!

Message sent was:

“Can you please confirm whether you are legally obliged to broadcast the Government (or NHS) “advice” adverts, which are being broadcast with what appears to be increasing, and extremely irritating, frequency. If the answer is yes, then please confirm what legislation requires this.

Please also confirm if you are paid to broadcast them, and if so, whether this payment is at a premium over other types of advertising income.

I would point out that I am becoming very close to stopping listening to the station entirely at the moment, because I find them extremely annoying.

A rapid response would be appreciated or I will be forced into asking the question on public forums which may have readers with the necessary knowledge.

Thank you.”

403749 ▶▶ Janette, replying to dhid, 12, #1259 of 1937 🔗

Yes I only listen to Talk Radio now because of the propaganda pumped out by the BBC but like you I am also getting extremely fed up of the constant messages. I am especially sick of the one saying you may have Covid but are not sowing any symptoms????

403760 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Janette, 9, #1260 of 1937 🔗

Yes that one is very annoying.
Also being asked if I can “look a bus driver in the eyes”…etc – well as I don’t catch buses….

Perhaps more people should contact them and demand answers.

403775 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to dhid, 14, #1261 of 1937 🔗

Since we are always told not to distract the bus driver while the bus is moving, they should make it clear we are not to look into his eyes until it has safely stopped. Perhaps the ASA should clarify this?

403783 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1262 of 1937 🔗

Lol!

403792 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, 2, #1263 of 1937 🔗

Well done dhid.

403863 ▶▶ mj, replying to dhid, 7, #1264 of 1937 🔗

By june / july last year government covid advertising spend was around £30 million per month. I doubt if it has gone down. That money buys a lot of newspaper, tv and radio advertising. And obviously most media depends on advertising revenue so Talk Radio are not going to turn down the money.
And they do not have any control over advert content , so must air the patronising shite whether they like it or agree with it or not
Of course the only MSM that don’t depend on advertising revenue is the BBC , but they are willing to do all the covid advertising that the government could ever want for free

403876 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to mj, 3, #1265 of 1937 🔗

Yes that is a lot! – Pity they might end up loosing more listeners as a result instead.

403865 ▶▶ stewart, replying to dhid, 7, #1266 of 1937 🔗

Well as businesses disappear, the only advertising revenue going is the government, who apparently have spent £1.1 billion on covid advertising.

TalkRadio need ad revenue.

404027 ▶▶ houdini, replying to dhid, 3, #1267 of 1937 🔗

Sadly becoming impossible to avoid them so I had to switch off several times today.
maybe we could have a health warning such as some listeners may find the next item distressing so we can switch off in good time.

404213 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to dhid, 2, #1268 of 1937 🔗

Mike Graham said a week or so ago that they didn’t have control over what’s in the adverts.

They are very, very annoying.

403738 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 10, #1269 of 1937 🔗

Good afternoon everyone,

I received an email this afternoon from The Claims Guys (these are well known PPi checkers). What’s interesting, is that this was the VW case that Reiner Fuellmich won.

How long till they are getting into the PCR fiasco I wonder

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403755 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to SimonCook, 7, #1270 of 1937 🔗

On that note, I’m pleased to see that PCR Claims’ website is back up and running:
https://pcrclaims.co.uk/index.php
They were down for a few days, leading some of us to suspect they may have been ‘got at.’
The seeming total absence of any personal injury suits either for or against lockdown/covid is very odd, IMO.

403841 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1271 of 1937 🔗

Yes, very odd. Would love to file a claim against the UK Government for the loss of at least one quality adjusted life year.

403764 ▶▶ Mark, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1272 of 1937 🔗

The gift that keeps on giving.

404009 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to SimonCook, 1, #1273 of 1937 🔗

Just a point on this. The emissions levels being 40 times higher is a con. Successive green policies have been to reduce the levels because of “muh emissions”. Chevrolet had a similiar issus of running a cheat device a decade or so ago. When you look at the acceptable levels the VW would have passed.

What’s changed? The emissions narrative.

The big scandal here is that VW put a piece of software in their car control that they didn’t declare.

403763 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 46, #1274 of 1937 🔗

Some twat on Talk Radio has just done the whole lock-everyone-in-their-houses-for-2-weeks with no one allowed out ANYWHERE and nothing open except emergency services. Where do they get these people? How does he think he food is produced, packaged and transported, his water cleaned, his sewage disposed of, his electricity and gas piped to his house; how do the hospitals replenish their supplies?

What an idiot. I wish that idea would just go away, they think they’re so bloody clever when they suggest it.

403766 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1275 of 1937 🔗

what a psychopath

403777 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1276 of 1937 🔗

Th radio phone in shows seem to actively look for these types. LBC is awful for it. Today’s 10min drive to pick up my daughter from school had a guy saying that everyone entering the country should have to scan an app. Or be tagged. This will soon become the norm

403790 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1277 of 1937 🔗

What, listening to LBC while driving ? Get outta here !

🙂

403781 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1278 of 1937 🔗

They will be the first up against the wall

404076 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1279 of 1937 🔗

No – we will I’m afraid.

403786 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1280 of 1937 🔗

Trouble is they don’t think, which is why their heads are in a complete mess over a mild low mortality virus.

403788 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1281 of 1937 🔗

Pussy.

403793 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1282 of 1937 🔗

The trouble is they don’t think.

403946 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1283 of 1937 🔗

The trouble is they probably don’t have the capacity to think.

403811 ▶▶ wendy, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1284 of 1937 🔗

Why didn’t talk radio ask him those questions?

403861 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to wendy, 1, #1285 of 1937 🔗

Gets people listening, init

403906 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to stewart, 4, #1286 of 1937 🔗

Correct… their business is to get people listening so they can sell ads… the end.

No moral imperative at all. Just sell ads.

404183 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendy, #1287 of 1937 🔗

The presenter just chuckled and praised him for his bold ideas.

He did admit that there were two outcomes however – elimination of covid, or complete chaos.

403905 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1288 of 1937 🔗

Does anyone remember ‘Down the line’ on Radio 4?

Like everything else, reality has overtaken parody.

403921 ▶▶ Janette, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1289 of 1937 🔗

God that is so shocking. What planet is he on???

403931 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1290 of 1937 🔗

It is sort of what they did in Wuhan but China has a billion people so can afford to shut down a whole city and ship in people from outside to keep it going

404037 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1291 of 1937 🔗

So what happens two weeks later when the Great Unlock siren goes off around the land and all the dead bodies have been carted off to the morgue? The first flight lands, lorries roll in carrying produce from the continents, virions blow in on the easterly winds from France. Zero Covid is a dangerous fantasy.

404404 ▶▶ Edward, replying to A. Contrarian, #1292 of 1937 🔗

That one pops up from time to time on the letters page of the free Metro rag, probably in the other tabloids too.

403771 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #1293 of 1937 🔗

Surely we aren’t saying that the previous hysterical modelling nonsense driven panic to the current coronapanic was after all just another hysterical modelling nonsense driven panic, manufactured by emotional manipulation via heart-string tugging nonsense from cynically overpromoted young girls ?

Plus ca change?

A ‘strange thing’ has occurred in the global temperature: Bolt

404209 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mark, 1, #1294 of 1937 🔗

“Published on Feb 8, 2021
Sky News host Andrew Bolt says there is a “strange thing” which occurred in the world temperature for January, measured by satellites.

“We are supposed to think there has already been so much global warming that people are dying, animals are dying, the planet is collapsing,” Mr Bolt said.

“But there’s a strange thing, you look at the world temperature for January as measured by satellites – the most reliable way of doing it – a drop to just 0.12 degrees (Celsius) of warming above the average of late last century. That really is close to nothing.”

Mr Bolt spoke with the former head of Australia’s National Climate Centre William Kininmonth about the topic.

“The temperature has dropped about a bit over half a degree over the last 12 months from January 2020,” Mr Kininmonth said.

“But there’s been a lot of variability in the impact of that.””

Well, well, who’da thunk?

403805 wendy, 21, #1295 of 1937 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/08/sweden-is-flattening-the-curve-too/

David Paton has written a good article for Spiked showing how none lockdown Sweden has coped fine without criminalising, patronising and dividing its population and causing economic damage. Hope the link works.

403808 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #1296 of 1937 🔗

Is there any radio station left on earth that I can listen to without wanting to tear my own head off?

403820 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1297 of 1937 🔗

I can’t find one. No longer watching any live tv or listening to any radio. Even podcasts that have been my primary source of media entertainment for a few years haven’t been safe

403860 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1298 of 1937 🔗

try radio caroline

403883 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to pub with no beer, 2, #1299 of 1937 🔗

Thanks! Had no idea it was still going.

403988 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #1300 of 1937 🔗

😁

403959 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1301 of 1937 🔗

It’s a sad situation isn’t it? I don’t care about live telly, but some decent music and non-Covid chat in the background would be nice. It’s all any of them ever talk about, how does it not drive even the most committed Covidian demented?

403844 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1302 of 1937 🔗

Radioxide 4Xtra No news bulletins very good quality dramas old comedies and thrillers! My stapleft diet at the moment! Highly recommend it.

403961 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1303 of 1937 🔗

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

403852 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1304 of 1937 🔗

I can still find a few interesting COVID free programmes on The World Service on my Sounds App. Completely given up on any live radio or TV.

403856 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1305 of 1937 🔗

radio caroline

403963 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #1306 of 1937 🔗

Not heard of this one, will have a look, thanks.

403866 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1307 of 1937 🔗

Radio 3 is OK mostly if you like classical. It does mention Covid occasionally but not to excess and you get a sense most of the musicians on there are pissed off and desperate to get performing live again.

403920 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1308 of 1937 🔗

I’ll second that. Sometimes I unwittingly catch the news bulletin, and I get pissed off with ‘What I did in the Lockdown’ stories.

But, that apart, it’s only the growth in the moronic imitation of a commercial network with a surfeit of ‘trails’ that pisses me off.

Radio 4 Extra and the World Service are also good value.

The ‘Listen Again’ service on ‘Sounds’ is good value and allows you to pick and choose.

There’s no comparable variety in the commercial sector – that’s the simple situation that those getting onto the ‘defund the BBC’ bandwagon don’t get. Just avoid News and Current Affairs.

403966 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1309 of 1937 🔗

Ooh thanks, yes I do like classical, had just assumed that all Beeb channels would be unbearable.

404397 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1310 of 1937 🔗

It’s easy enough to avoid the news bulletins on Radio 3. They’re on the hour, though not every hour, something like 7 & 8am, 1, 5 & 6pm.

403897 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, -3, #1311 of 1937 🔗

I still listen to 6Music, but I mute it when the news comes on at half past.

Then I turn it off at 7pm when that communist manc potato twat Marc Riley comes on.

403898 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1312 of 1937 🔗

Radio X by-and-large swerves the Rona chit chat.

403986 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1313 of 1937 🔗

Radio Caroline.

They’re zero covid, in the best sense.

403813 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #1314 of 1937 🔗

Public health extremists such as Tim Spector should either be in a mental institution or under permanent house arrest without access to a computer. Its a no cost option that would get society back to normal

403817 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 7, #1315 of 1937 🔗

Whichever is the lowest cost option.

403954 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve_w, 2, #1316 of 1937 🔗

sold his sole to funding

403822 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1317 of 1937 🔗

Very pleasant 8mile walk today

Very slight snow fall, interspersed with bright sunshine

All the Covidians were locked up in their cells.

No traffic

No Stasi about, too cold from them

Had the whole place to myself

No queque in the bakers and butchers

Starting to think lockdown has it’s advantages

Do I really want to spend time in the company of ‘people’ who couldn’t wait to impose 1930’s Germany on us?

When I returned to the pub last summer I couldn’t bear to hear the shite these morons were spouting

Lets keep them locked up forever

403836 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1318 of 1937 🔗

I’m leaving this shithole first chance I get. I’ve seen enough. I lived most of my life outside of the UK. Wish I’d never come back.

403982 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1319 of 1937 🔗

Florida is looking good at the moment.
But with a change of governor at some point, it won’t necessarily stay that way.
Also a bit hot and humid for me.

404178 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to LMS2, #1320 of 1937 🔗

The trouble with the US is you have to come back for six months every year.

404100 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1321 of 1937 🔗

lucky you, right decision, you can watch this shitshow from a safe distance. If I did not have to leave the only people who give my life meaning behind, then I would be out of here too

404147 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1322 of 1937 🔗

I’m starting to rethink my plans too. I was originally planning to retire and return to the UK next month……that’s not happening obviously. The more I read about the UK the less appealing coming back there looks, so I have tentatively started exploring retirement here in Brazil.

403909 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1323 of 1937 🔗

I don’t want to keep anybody locked up.

But … if they want to choose it as a lifestyle – so be it.

Just don’t expect me to do the same.

403938 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1324 of 1937 🔗

A minor problem: If all the Covidians are “sheltering at home” there will be no crowds at concerts, pubs etc … how nice is that?

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404120 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1325 of 1937 🔗

I’ve recently been thinking the same, no traffic, no queues, anyone out and about is likely to be a sceptic of some description. My job counts as essential, so I am still working and getting on with life. I long since gave up on quarantine, I stayed in for about three days at the beginning and then thought “Sod it, life’s too short”

This past weekend I went fishing with a bunch of mates, went for a nice ride in the countryside with a couple of biker buddies, and then had a very pleasant dinner and drinks on Sunday evening with some more sceptics.

No Covidians, no arseholes, just like-minded folk.

404125 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1326 of 1937 🔗

There are certainly lots of local Covvizombies who can stay under the bed for ever, for all I care.

403832 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 20, #1327 of 1937 🔗

Borinocchio!

403911 ▶▶ Janette, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #1328 of 1937 🔗

Haha love it

403934 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #1329 of 1937 🔗

👏 😂 🤣 😂

404034 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to The Covid Kid, #1330 of 1937 🔗

that’s hoe he gets them…

403845 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1331 of 1937 🔗

All those accusations over the autumn & winter over who was locking down, who was having a ‘fire break’, who was unlocking too early, who was unlocking too late. Didn’t make much difference did it!

404026 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to NickR, #1332 of 1937 🔗

Brilliant. Too simple for them though!!

403848 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1333 of 1937 🔗

These mutant strains… how do they occur? There is the view stated by Matt Ridley in the recent Speccie and also I believe by Mike Yeadon and Knut Wittkowski that the lockdowns actually increase the likelihood of mutations. Why is this though, and is there any evidence for it? It kind of makes sense to me but I’m not sure why.

Omniscient Husband rejects this theory and says that the more viruses spread the more they mutate, thus justifying keeping us locked down forever.. Sigh!

403869 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #1334 of 1937 🔗

Based on my layman’s knowledge of evolution, I’d say that when an organism’s environment is unchanging then it will reach a point where any mutations are most likely to be harmful. When there is environmental change, this equilibrium is upset and some mutations are more likely to survive.
Lockdown creates a challenge for the virus as it changes the parameters of transmission, so in effect it starts to “explore” the possibilities of change offered by mutations.

403953 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1335 of 1937 🔗

This is my understanding, written as a layperson. The modus operandi of a virus is to spread as widely as it can but not kill its host; to kill its host threatens the very existence of a virus and usually only occurs by accident if the host has some weakness which the virus circumstantially encounters. Most people who contract a virus will not be seriously harmed by it and will develop immunity protecting them from future infection. Hence the concept of herd immunity when a specific proportion of the population has been infected.

Usually a virus mutates if the environment or circumstances in which it exists change. It mutates to improve its chances of ‘survival’. If its ‘survival’ is under threat, mutation normally involves developing the ability to spread quicker but also to be less harmful so it reduces further any risk of killing its host, with a view to preserving itself.

Presumably variations in geographical location present different challenges for a virus, hence regional mutations occurring. But for the reasons given above I would expect such variations to be less harmful than the version of the virus it evolved from. Similarly, by introducing lockdowns, mini self-contained bubbles are created which would encourage the evolution of variants within them but, again, I cannot see why there would be any reason to presume they would be more lethal than the preceding variant.

What doesn’t make sense is to assume that if you reduce ‘cases’ in one bubble to zero (i.e. zero covid, such as is claimed to have happened on the Isle of Man) that any benefit will be achieved long-term unless the intention is to sustain lockdowns forever. The only realistic logical long-term objective should be national herd immunity.

I may be mistaken in my understanding and I am more than happy to be corrected!

403976 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to HelzBelz, #1336 of 1937 🔗

By delaying and slowing down the spread of the virus, it has more time to mutate.
Some viruses are more stable than others. The coronaviruses such as the common cold undergo frequent mutations, which is why we get multiple colds in our lifetimes.
Other viruses, e.g. chicken pox, don’t, so we tend to only get it once.

404268 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to LMS2, #1337 of 1937 🔗

Is that true? I’ve read many times that coronaviruses mutate slowly, unlike the flu or HIV.
The reason we get so many colds is that there are about 200 cold causing viruses (mostly rhinoviruses, but also corona, RSV, parainfluenza, adenovirus etc)

404058 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1338 of 1937 🔗

OMG – thanks for the replies but just listened to UK column. The mutant strains are from Brazil, SA and UK. Exactly the countries that the AZ vaccine was trialled…

Coincidence…?

404271 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to HelzBelz, #1339 of 1937 🔗

I don’t think so. If the virus’s goal is to replicate and find another host, it’s more likely to replicate inside someone vaccinated if the immune response is impaired. Which it would be to a mutant version.

So as the virus copies itself over and over inside a vaccinated host, the mutated viruses are going to do so more successfully, surely?

403849 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 38, #1340 of 1937 🔗

Add Mexico to the list of possible escape routes…

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador returned to his daily morning news conferences today, following a two-week absence after catching Covid-19, but vowed not to wear a mask or require Mexicans to use them.

“There is no authoritarianism in Mexico … everything is voluntary, liberty is the most important thing,” the left-wing populistsaid. “It is each person’s own decision.”

403850 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Adamb, 8, #1341 of 1937 🔗

Good man.

403877 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Adamb, 5, #1342 of 1937 🔗

The UK needs an AMLO.

403879 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Adamb, 8, #1343 of 1937 🔗

So called libertarian conservative cunt MPs need to read these words.

403965 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to merlin, 2, #1344 of 1937 🔗

I disagree with your language, but agree with the sentiment.

404011 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to LMS2, 5, #1345 of 1937 🔗

The language was far too gentle, but I agree with your sentiment.

403888 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Adamb, 2, #1346 of 1937 🔗

Mexico is owned lock stock and barrel by drug lords and corrupt coppers. A bit like Manchester, TBH.

403904 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to AidanR, 4, #1347 of 1937 🔗

Sounds like a safe haven

403995 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to merlin, 1, #1348 of 1937 🔗

I get that I may be having a sense of humour failure here, but there is absolutely nothing safe about Mexico. Nothing at all. It’s a 3rd world despotic shithole.

404208 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, #1349 of 1937 🔗

If you want to live, then you have to take risks.

404302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to rockoman, #1350 of 1937 🔗

The murder rate in Mexico is 15x what it is here. And it’s not low here.

404096 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, 1, #1351 of 1937 🔗

so what, it’s better than here.

403889 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Adamb, #1352 of 1937 🔗

Good for him.

the left-wing populist

Whose report was that? BBC?

403940 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Adamb, 1, #1353 of 1937 🔗

That’s a lie though.
You need to mask up in the hotels there.
Otherwise, I’d be tempted.

403973 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Adamb, 1, #1354 of 1937 🔗

well he talks the talk…

alas no ski slopes

404083 ▶▶ jos, replying to Adamb, #1355 of 1937 🔗

Wow – legal action being taken out against him maybe?

404194 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Adamb, #1356 of 1937 🔗

Ironic a leftist has this sense!

403854 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1357 of 1937 🔗

Handjob is on:

Hancock’s message to over-70s: Contact NHS for jab

Matt Hancock says 91% of over-80s have now had their first dose of the vaccine, 95% of those aged 75-79, and almost three quarters of those aged 70-74.

Take-up among eligible care home residents is 93%, he says.

But “we will not rest” until all those in the most vulnerable groups are vaccinated dead , he adds – although the government is “on track” to meet its goal of vaccinating slaughtering the first four priority groups by 15 February.

He says he is so pleased that vaccine take-up is so high. (Saves bullets!!)

But he calls on over-70s to now contact the NHS to get their jab, rather than wait to be contacted. (Because we don’t know where all of you are!)

“From today, I have a message for everyone aged 70 and above. Until now we’ve said please wait for the NHS to contact you,” he says. “Now that message is changing. (Bow down to the mighty vaccine!)

I changed a couple of bits for him.

403868 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1358 of 1937 🔗

Don’t watch any TV, but I can see this is how lockdown is going to be extended, there will be one of these speeches for every single age group. In addition people now have to call to get the vaccine, the excuse for the longer lockdown – the over 70’s didn’t make contact, so we cannot vaccinate the over 60’s, rinse and repeat.

403900 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1359 of 1937 🔗

“Why won’t you get vaccinated? Johnson and Handoncock have said you should”

“Errr … I think you’ve just given part of the answer.”

403873 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1360 of 1937 🔗

Handemic.

403874 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1361 of 1937 🔗

He needs a couple of his bits changed permanently and without anaesthetic at that.

403880 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1362 of 1937 🔗

I’ve just heard him on the news… he seems to be claiming that the vaccines prevent (or at least impede) transmission.

Is he flat wrong?

403886 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to AidanR, 1, #1363 of 1937 🔗

Were his lips moving?

403896 ▶▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1364 of 1937 🔗

Has he been watching movies again?

403951 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AidanR, 1, #1365 of 1937 🔗

I don’t care either way – he needs to think that it does, or we will be locked away forever.

403991 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1366 of 1937 🔗

Except that the more he persuades the covidians that it does, the more social pressure will be put on refuseniks, to the point where covidians will feel morally justified in everything from refusing you services to punching you in the mouth.

403893 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1367 of 1937 🔗

“Now that message is changing”

Not a first.

403894 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1368 of 1937 🔗

Do you actually believe those numbers? 95% of 75-79 year olds? Reckon he’s mushing up some percentage figures somewhere along the line.

404062 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Achilles, 4, #1369 of 1937 🔗

Do you actually believe those numbers? 95% of 75-79 year olds?

No!

404124 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1370 of 1937 🔗

Are the figures ‘invited’ or actual jabs? I have been invited in that I have received a letter in the post.

404497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to davews, 1, #1371 of 1937 🔗

That’s a good point. They are very careful with the use of ‘invited’, aren’t they?

403958 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1372 of 1937 🔗

My sister and I both separately turned down the offer of vaccination for my 86 year-old mother.
We were told back in early January that she’d tested positive for CV19, so we’ve said she doesn’t need the vaccine as she’ll be immune already. I don’t want to just prolong her life for the sake of it (advanced Alzheimer’s), but i don’t want to put her at risk from the vaccine when it shouldn’t be necessary.

403882 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 24, #1373 of 1937 🔗

Hi everyone,

I’ve just stumbled across this poem by William Arthur Ward, and I thought it rather apt…..

To laugh is to risk appearing the fool.
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental.
To reach for another is to risk involvement.
To expose your ideas, your dreams, before a crowd is to risk their loss.

To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To live is to risk dying.
To believe is to risk despair.
To try is to risk failure.

But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
The people who risk nothing, do nothing, have nothing, are nothing.
They may avoid suffering and sorrow, but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live.
Chained by their attitudes they are slaves, they have forfeited their freedom.
Only a person who risks is free.

403979 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1374 of 1937 🔗

That’s wonderful, thanks.

404127 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1375 of 1937 🔗

Brilliant summary of what makes a zombie. And why we here are not zombies.
Thanks for posting.

404394 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Redundant Pilot, #1376 of 1937 🔗

I agree with the sentiments, but it’s not a poem.

403885 Cheezilla, 14, #1377 of 1937 🔗

I’d like to point out that Toby himself did an excellent lockdown-focused blog on Saturday.

The two most recent are by Jonathan Barr, who seems obsessed with discussing the vaccine and, in his case, our grumbling is justified. What an irrelevant waste of a leading slot is today’s first article! Surely it would have been more appropriate to lead with the article about Seehofer.

However, BTL we are free to criticise and ask the sort of questions and post the sort of articles that vanish on most media outlets. We must remain grateful for what we have and make the absolute most of it while we can.

403899 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 11, #1378 of 1937 🔗

A few thoughts on the ongoing debate between Toby and Christopher Snowdon. Different people have different reasons for opposing the lockdown. Personally, I’ve always argued that the cure is worse than the disease (it’s not to deny that Covid-19 exits but rather that it is not so deadly as to justify the measures enacted, particularly the suspension of fundamental liberties). However, there’s no denying this opinion is subjective to some extent: I happen to place greater value on freedom and quality of life over higher levels of safety (and I might add I’m in a medium-to-high risk category). But there is also another argument that has become clearer as the “pandemic” has gone on, and that hinges on the fact that some influential members of SAGE are trying to bring about permanent changes to the country. Already there is serious discussion about introducing prohibition (other readers of this site have previously pointed out that Whitty is anti-alcohol) and there is no end in sight for travel restrictions.  It’s clear from today’s news that we are engaged in an arms race between vaccines and mutations – which fact SAGE no doubt will argue is a reason for maintaining restrictions indefinitely. It all leads in the direction of an authoritarian nanny state in which people have fewer choices and less control over their lives. Ultimately, though, the economic damage caused by the lockdown becomes so great that some form of “reset” becomes inevitable. The danger is that you might then find yourself enslaved to the state in which “you will own nothing and you will be happy” (for happy read miserable). There is a lot at stake here, which makes it all the more disappointing that people like Christopher Snowdon and Domonic Lawson align themselves with people like Susan Michie.

403914 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JamesM, 5, #1379 of 1937 🔗

However, there’s no denying this opinion is subjective to some extent: I happen to place greater value on freedom and quality of life over higher levels of safety”

Well yes, sort of. It is subjective but that’s why if you’re a government you have a measure that is transparent – like using QALYS to ration healthcare. The fact is that no cost-benefit analysis was done, and I’ve never seen a coherent one from pro-lockdown people – they jusy hold it as self-evident that saving covid lives at all costs is the only moral choice.

Also I agree that I value over freedom over safety, and would do even if greater safety could be bought by having less freedom, but the fact is that it’s the ILLUSION of safety that has been sold to people.

Finally, any cost benefit analysis has to include something on the cost side for lost freedom, otherwise it’s simply nonsense. If someone offered you 1 day in prison in return for some increase in longevity you’d take it, maybe, but you wouldn’t if it they wanted to lock you up for 50 years.

403915 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JamesM, 7, #1380 of 1937 🔗

I honestly thought prohibition would be virtually impossible to implement in this country, but we are within touching distance of it now.

403926 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to JamesM, 5, #1381 of 1937 🔗

Spot on + anyone who thinks the actual Communist Susan Michie should be advising Government is as demented as she is !!!

403901 dommo, replying to dommo, 6, #1382 of 1937 🔗

German journalists doing their job:-

https://twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1358527671613980673

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WoGLwCAwpQdv5VgBlSsnwi_kWPrGSB430OybYz2vqXU/edit

PANIC PAPER!!! just like we had in the UK…EARTHSHAKING SCANDAL INDEED!!!

403937 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to dommo, #1383 of 1937 🔗

Is this the works of Reiner Fuellmich and co?

403903 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #1384 of 1937 🔗

Wancock committedly evading question of whether they are going for zero covid

403950 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1385 of 1937 🔗

As there has never been any kickback to any of Wancock’s measures he just keeps pushing more and more draconian rules, introducing even more SI’s. Not only is there no kickback from the population, the majority of MP’s go along with no debate or votes.

403987 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #1386 of 1937 🔗

zero Wancock would be a more effective public health policy

403907 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #1387 of 1937 🔗

How things change when the British vax comes under attack.

Last week they were saying the South African variant was the biggest danger to the UK. This meant ordering a million people to get tested ASAP. But now…

England’s deputy chief medical officer, Prof Jonathan Van Tam, is speaking now about the South Africa coronavirus variant, following concerns about a small study that suggested the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine may be less effective at preventing it from causing a mild illness.

It has been detected in the UK but in “very small numbers”, he says, and our dominant virus is the fast-spreading one that originated in Kent before Christmas.

Early data on modelling on the South Africa variant suggests it does not appear to be distinctly more transmissable than the Kent variant, Van Tam says, adding: “Because of that, there is no reason to think the South African variant will catch up or overtake our current virus in the next few months.”

He says the “immediate threat” is therefore from the Kent variant and there is “plenty of evidence” the vaccines are effective against that variant.

As usual, ‘modelling’ tells them blah, blah; not empirical data… modelling.

403912 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1388 of 1937 🔗

Does anyone think if during the briefings somebody said today is Wednesday, everyone would agree and any journalist there would not question it?

403918 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1389 of 1937 🔗

Yup!

403924 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1390 of 1937 🔗

The Q&A would probably be focused on the dangerous sceptics who say it’s Monday.

404165 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1391 of 1937 🔗

If you watch carefully you can see them looking at the lectern for their answers to the scripted questions.
It is about as authentic as blind date.

403916 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1392 of 1937 🔗

As we have seen throughout the science is made to fit the desired political solution not the other way around.

403919 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1393 of 1937 🔗

The Wizard of Oz

403922 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1394 of 1937 🔗

South African variant (or some other variant) won’t catch up until everyone in the UK’s been vaccinated against the current variant. Then it will be ‘woops, sorry, new variant means we can’t end lockdowns, gotta lockdown until we can develop a new vaccine!’ Repeat ad infinitum.

403923 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1395 of 1937 🔗

They are brilliant spin doctors

404033 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 3, #1396 of 1937 🔗

Not really, because we’re seeing right through this nonsense.

403949 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1397 of 1937 🔗

It makes no difference, we are the only people who can remember last week’s news.

403928 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1399 of 1937 🔗

The police are doing themselves no favours, their reputation has total gone in my opinion, the policeman in the video comes across as a common thug.

404028 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to liztr835, 3, #1400 of 1937 🔗

I think that copper was on drugs, he seemed out of control, his arms were swinging about like a punch drunk boxer.

404004 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1401 of 1937 🔗

Pretty sure the comments are turned off on purpose. The plebs can’t be allowed to know that a lot of the other plebs are ready beat the shit out of the fuzz.

404050 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1402 of 1937 🔗

Could possibly be no comments for legal reasons (ie, sub judice ) but probably also because of the level of disgust that will be shown for the police and govt. That said, I reckon there would still be a lot of comments along the lines of ‘that disease-spreader deserves all he gets’ etc.

403925 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 9, #1403 of 1937 🔗

A thought experiment:

Imagine if, in March 2020, each person in the UK (say, 67 million) had been given £5,000 to be spent over the course of a year, with the brief to use it to improve their physical and / or mental health. Thus, this might have been spent on healthier food, mental health support, accessing a gym, buying a bicycle, using a personal trainer, healthy eating advice, learning to cook, support to loose weight, or whatever. That would have cost £335 billion pounds. On the other hand, it might have brought enormous long-term benefit to many individuals, and also to society by reducing the long-term demand for health services.

The cost of £335 billion is very considerably less than the £450 billion which the Bank of England has ‘printed’ since March in the form of quantitative easing to ‘help the economy during the Covid 19 pandemic.’

403935 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 12, #1404 of 1937 🔗

What if everyone had been given health insurance to use for non urgent treatment at private hospitals, how much better would the NHS be, rather than just throwing money at the NHS? Similar systems work in other countries.

404022 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1405 of 1937 🔗

I think that idea a much better one. Then again, none of our government ministers nor their chums would have made a fortune out of this Covid scamdemic.

404290 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1406 of 1937 🔗

I realise this is inconvenient to your argument, but a great deal of money paid for private healthcare ends up in the NHS’ pockets. Because of the way things are structured, there are vast areas of medicine that the private sector simply don’t do. Pretty much any neurosurgery for starters.

If you get a brain tumour, Bupa will pay the NHS to get you an operation date, operate on you, accommodate you on an NHS ward and provide your outpatient aftercare.

Because the NHS makes it completely financially unviable for a private provider to play in this area of medicine.

404073 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #1407 of 1937 🔗

yeh, well it was never really about health, was it

403932 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1409 of 1937 🔗

Continuing the presser:

Fergus Walsh who asks Prof Jonathan Van Tam whether it will be possible to keep the South African variant largely suppressed in the UK – and also what’s his message to people who are scared about headlines .

Van Tam: It’s unlikely to overrun or overtake the current strain – the Kent variant – in the next few months, he says.

“So from that perspective, I don’t think that this is something we should be concerned about right at this point in time. I agree with you the stories and the headlines… are a bit scary.

I wish they weren’t. We are watching this ,” he says.

This does my head in. The BBC asking about scary headlines. Van Tam (i.e. SAGE) says he wishes they weren’t scary; this from the two biggest scaremongering crews in the UK.

403944 ▶▶ JamesM, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1410 of 1937 🔗

Haha, yes. Makes you wonder if these people have any sense of irony!

403947 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1411 of 1937 🔗

I think SAGE got a game of COVID monopoly in their Christmas secret santa. I’m just waiting for the Mayfair variant.

403955 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #1412 of 1937 🔗

The French and Americans are scaring their population with the English variant.Can people not see what a scam this is.

403980 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #1413 of 1937 🔗

Wancock’s scare stories backfiring on him.

403997 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1414 of 1937 🔗

I think it’s more a control measure.We are a bogeyman to both the French and the Americans.South African is exotic enough to elicit a fear response in us Brits.

404006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #1415 of 1937 🔗

I have absolutely no idea how it scares them. Their minds are completely warped by the propaganda.

404038 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1416 of 1937 🔗

Just looking at the face of Van Tampax scares me. He doesn’t need to actually say anything.

404106 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1417 of 1937 🔗

Do they ever listen to themselves?
Well, at Nuremberg 2 they will have to.

403933 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 17, #1418 of 1937 🔗

I posted this as a reply but I think this deserves a separate topic. This is a paper by two pharmacology professors that argues that informed consent for the Covid vaccination cannot be given unless people are properly informed about the very real dangers of antibody dependent enhancement. What are the chances of people being told about this prior to vaccination? I’m reminded of the old joke about there being 2 chances – slim and none, and slim’s just left town! The idiot media continues to rant on about how vaccines might not work with new variants but completely fails to mention the possibility that the vaccines might actually make the disease caused by any new variant worse, possibly fatally so.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795

403945 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Chicot, 13, #1419 of 1937 🔗

Thanks for posting. The FDA specifically stated:

“The Sponsor identified vaccine-associated enhanced disease including vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease as an important potential risk [….] risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.”

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

Hence, considering the Nuremberg Code at this juncture is not just hyperbole.

403981 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Chicot, 7, #1420 of 1937 🔗

Just mention very real dangers of antibody dependent enhancement to the common person and they will look at you blankly.

I have a little medical knowledge as I have an A-level in Autonomy and Physiology as I trained in reflexology and have an interest in medicine and how the body works.
I have watched Bhakdi and many other doctors/scientists, and read scientific publications, and by spending HOURS looking into this that I understand that sentence.
Most people probably do not even know how a conventual vaccine works, so how are they supposed to understand this?

403998 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Silke David, 10, #1421 of 1937 🔗

Most people see the word vaccine and that is good enough for them to put their unbridled faith in it.

404019 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1422 of 1937 🔗

Sadly that is true.

404337 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to JHUNTZ, #1423 of 1937 🔗

Coz that’s what they have been prepped to believe by decades of aggressive vaccine marketing. For most it’s like popping two Nurofens… what could possibly go wrong?

404118 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Silke David, #1424 of 1937 🔗

Silke, A level in Autonomy and Physiology? Should that be Anatomy and Physiology?

DavidC

404139 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DavidC, #1425 of 1937 🔗

Sie ist Deutsch, David.

404001 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Chicot, 4, #1426 of 1937 🔗

yes – there are bad things afoot…. try and protect your loved ones until it is sorted out.

404012 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Chicot, 11, #1427 of 1937 🔗

Informed consent would involve weighing the risk of having the ‘vaccine’ against the risk of not having it. Since a majority of the public have been brainwashed by the government into a state of hysteria about the risks of Covid, and most people appear to have little understanding of the risks of gene therapy, it would seem that the possibility of informed consent is ruled out.

404018 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bugle, 3, #1428 of 1937 🔗

Went with my Dad to get his yesterday. The only talk was to ask his name and directing him through the building. Made me a bit more secure about the possibility of Vax passports though. Once your name is crossed out, you can just walk out.

404075 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 1, #1429 of 1937 🔗

Spot on.

403942 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 25, #1430 of 1937 🔗

I am now at the start of the seventh month of not being allowed to work, half of March and July ( I count 2 half months of not working as one month), off for April/May/June/November/January, now February. How many Covidians could survive taking that many months off in a year with no compensation as I am one of the excluded 3 million.

I am expecting to be back at work sometime in April by the way things are going, but please god the penny finally drops that Furlough/SEISS is a state handout that cannot be financed forever and we need to get back to work, to earn money, to pay tax, to run our precious NHS.

403970 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to liztr835, 13, #1431 of 1937 🔗

No chance in hell. Furlough will morph into UBI and will, for millions of people, be the sole source of income for the rest of their lives. Naturally with all the state coercion strings attached (“no jab, no pay” etc.).

404036 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 4, #1432 of 1937 🔗

Most likely. We’ll see indications of this in the Budget I think. They will certainly prolong furlough beyond April. That said, no definite mentions of another SEISS grant.

404049 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1433 of 1937 🔗

The state and a handful of mega corporations will be the only employers within a few years. The term “self-employed” will disappear from our lexicon.

404060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 6, #1434 of 1937 🔗

I fear you are right, people haven’t realised what kind of life these bastards have in store for us, but they will eventually.

404081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1435 of 1937 🔗

A living death is what is in store for us. which by definition has to be worse than death itself. Hence I have stopped taking care of my health, because longevity is no longer something to cherish.

404079 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 5, #1436 of 1937 🔗

Nah. We’ll pay the self-employed tradespeople in eggs, weed, homebrew, apples, car repairs, whatever we’ve got.

404148 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cranmer, #1437 of 1937 🔗

SEISS grant runs from feb to April.
Can apply after budget when amount is finalised

404103 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to liztr835, 8, #1438 of 1937 🔗

And to simply keep sane. Despite what a number of people claim on here I don’t believe many people enjoy sitting round all day watching box sets despite being on 80% pay. People need to work, to be occupied, to have something other than bloody covid to think about.

404157 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to suitejb, 3, #1439 of 1937 🔗

I didn’t work from March until September.By the end I was crawling the walls despite playing golf and staying by the coast.By the end whatever I did I couldn’t relax.
That being said I wasn’t one of the 3 million who have fallen through the cracks.I don’t know how they are surviving.

404189 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to liztr835, #1440 of 1937 🔗

As long as the government actively bans certain businesses from working it has to continue furlough.

404393 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to redbirdpete, #1441 of 1937 🔗

Don’t forget the warning about “unsustainable businesses”

403948 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 46, #1442 of 1937 🔗

Just listening to the Richie Allen Show. He’s interviewing Luc of the Kate and Luc Cafe in Burnage, Manchester.

Luc says that he’ll lose his home in the next month if he has to shut up shop. He has two young kids. We all know how ruinous and cruel these restrictions are, but stories like this really do bring it home. Sickening.

There must be so many other small businesses owners in this position. If they all did what this brave man is attempting, there’d be nothing that the police, Hancock, Sturgeon etc could do.

The police always say ‘hey, I’m just doing my job’. Yeah? By stopping other people from doing theirs?

Hard to understate how much trouble we’re in if this utterly appalling nonsense continues for much longer.

403962 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 10, #1443 of 1937 🔗

Is there a go fund page?

403985 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1444 of 1937 🔗

Second this. I’d happily support this Luc could become a face of the resistance for businesses.

I’d also like to see them put a canvas poster out front highlighting the financial ruin he is facing. Put it front in centre in his shop.

404032 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1445 of 1937 🔗

Check out the Great Reopening channel on Youtube, IIRC they said they will be publishing details of a subscription for this gentleman when it becomes available. He is sueing the police apparently.
I believe also the collar numbers of the police constables involved are also mentioned on some of the videos, but no idea if they are correct.

404085 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1446 of 1937 🔗

He is the new Che Guevara

404043 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1447 of 1937 🔗

Yes, that would be a good thing to do, if Luc hasn’t set one up could someone else for him and we give him the donations. It would be good to show strength of feeling for people suffering

403964 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 31, #1448 of 1937 🔗

I really admire Luc and Kate, people just dont understand how horrific it is to be dumped in it, a business you have built up over years with hard work and passion, taken from you through no fault of your own with none/very little compensation. It is pure evil, we all deserve to be able to work and support ourselves, how dare they take that ability from us. For me it has been the worst part of the pandemic, there are huge gaps in support, some recieving substantial grants they dont need, and others getting very little or nothing.

404105 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to liztr835, 6, #1449 of 1937 🔗

Totally agree, this government couldn’t manage a whelk stall (no disrespect to whelk stall owners) let alone a country. MPs are no better, save for a valiant few, all of them should be recalled and dumped. They obviously don’t give a toss about their constituents.

403990 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1450 of 1937 🔗

Do we know the name of ‘officer’ who threw the punch?

404015 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1451 of 1937 🔗

I expect its easy to find that out for people living around that part of the country. His hi viz jacket would of course cover up his police number but he was wearing his mask under his nose, his features were identifiable.

404023 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1452 of 1937 🔗

Somebody posted his number in the Youtube comments.

404057 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bugle, 7, #1453 of 1937 🔗

That’ s great! You see what happens when the people come together, you can get results! Sometimes social media can be a force for good!

403967 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 12, #1454 of 1937 🔗

Hancock saying he wants to ‘immunise over 50’s by the end of April’. This is hell. If they are immune what is the problem. Oh they are not immune. That is the problem. Language arbitrage.

403974 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Niborxof, 15, #1455 of 1937 🔗

And then the over 40s, the over 30s and so on until the next vaccine is ready. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

403989 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Richard O, 13, #1456 of 1937 🔗

Next few months will get messy. I reckon they will struggle to offer the pfizer vaccine to those returning for a second dose. Take up will become very patchy for under 70s and the negative press for oxford/astra vaccine will add fuel to the fire.

404010 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1457 of 1937 🔗

Well they’ve bought them all now, what else are they going to do with them?

404126 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Achilles, 1, #1458 of 1937 🔗

Stack them up alongside the Tamiflu.

404266 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles, #1459 of 1937 🔗

Stick em in the Cabinet and members of Sage!

Special megadoses too for Herr Kneelalot, Sadist Khan, the NHS and PHE execs.

N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland can have the surplus and use on their great leaders as they see fit.

404111 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Niborxof, 3, #1460 of 1937 🔗

‘Language arbitrage’ – I like that!

DavidC

403978 merlin, replying to merlin, 23, #1461 of 1937 🔗

So hancock wants people to book themselves in instead of being invited. Any chance this is a ploy to reduce future liability if things go wrong with the vaccine i.e you gave consent to be part of the trial by booking yourself in.

403984 ▶▶ Basics, replying to merlin, 9, #1462 of 1937 🔗

I didn’t watch. Is it possible they are not getting as many people in the queue as they want?

403993 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Basics, 12, #1463 of 1937 🔗

That was mentioned a couple of days ago, the figures have been manipulated for everything else so saying more people have been jabbed than actually have wouldn’t surprise me.

404007 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1464 of 1937 🔗

Its to make you think you are being selfish.

403999 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Basics, 7, #1465 of 1937 🔗

I am afraid I cannot bear to watch that wanker, I am just speculating based on the quotes that I have seen.

404040 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to merlin, 4, #1466 of 1937 🔗

No need to speculate, he is a one eye crying wanker.

404092 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to stefarm, #1467 of 1937 🔗

One-eyed crying is a symptom of Bell’s Palsy.

404234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, 1, #1468 of 1937 🔗

Or Bill’s Patsy?

404061 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1470 of 1937 🔗

Comments still moderated on that one I presume. Lots of “no jab, no NHS treatment” nutters last time I looked.

404071 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 1, #1471 of 1937 🔗

How about ‘No brain, no NHS treatment’ – since it’s pointless?

404095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1473 of 1937 🔗

But do