2021-02-09

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404613 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 8, #1 of 2134 🔗

Woo Hoo!!

405014 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 36, #2 of 2134 🔗

This seems to be turning into “ Lockdown News Roundup “. org

Or to be more exact “ Good News About The Vaccine Rollout ” dot org

Or “ My Old Boss Boris isn’t that bad really ” dot org

How about Toby organising legal protests via this site.

405732 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #3 of 2134 🔗

No chance of that it would threaten his chance of a knighthood or a place in the house of lords. He makes no secret of his desire to obtain such things.

405371 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 9, #4 of 2134 🔗

What will you do to celebrate the one year anniversary?

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxXbodHvYJnrdPCBlB4AaABCQ

405584 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #5 of 2134 🔗

Celebrate??
The things I’d like to do to the instigators of mockdown would be highly illegal even without the Covid “regulations”

405737 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #6 of 2134 🔗

Nothing would be too gruesome for me.

405531 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Elisabeth, 18, #7 of 2134 🔗

Stella

404614 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, #8 of 2134 🔗

Alas Robin didn’t make it three days on the run.

405550 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #9 of 2134 🔗

R.I.P. Robin

404615 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, #10 of 2134 🔗

Sadly 3rd Judy

405036 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Niborxof, #11 of 2134 🔗

Why the down vote I wonder

404616 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 28, #12 of 2134 🔗

Scottish police arrest & charge man over ‘offensive’ tweet about late Captain Sir Tom Moore old man . That’s even before the Hate (free speech) crime bill, has passed.
What about the statues, weren’t they offend to be pulled down?

404621 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 57, #13 of 2134 🔗

The zombies, led by Archcovidian Dustbin Jellybaby, will call for statues of Saint Captain Dupe. The police will beat up some sceptics on the grounds that they were not calling for statues of Old St Dupe.
The BLMs, led by Archcovidian Dustbin Jellybaby, will then go out in their thousands and pull the statues down because Old Dupe was a white male supremacist.
The police will put on three layers of face knickers, kneel to the rioters, and go and beat up a café owner

404983 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 4, #14 of 2134 🔗

Superb, Annie.

404736 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #15 of 2134 🔗

As some wag wrote in comments under the article: “time to defund the police!”

404984 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to cubby, 4, #16 of 2134 🔗

Nothing waggish about that, long overdue.

404619 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #18 of 2134 🔗

They’ll find some way to hide it and discredit anyone who says otherwise it

404624 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Anti_socialist, #19 of 2134 🔗

I imagine he threw a clot.

404631 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #20 of 2134 🔗

Hopefully there’ll be a post mortem. The Americans are much more keen to get their compensation than we are.

404636 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TheHandbag, 27, #21 of 2134 🔗

There’s no compensation to be had. The manufacturers were granted blanket immunity from lawsuits, as they are with all vaccines in the US. You can try to get compensation through their vaccine court, but almost nobody wins these cases. Despite the extremely low win rate, they’ve paid out over $4 billion since 1986 which is the tip of the iceberg with respect to vaccine injuries.

404701 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #22 of 2134 🔗

go down the criminal path, not the civil one. however agree it is probably useless as the judiciary is bought and paid for along with the rest of the establishment

404987 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #23 of 2134 🔗

Why is having an allergic reaction ‘fudgeable’, it’s still the vaccine and it’s still death.

404618 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 80, #24 of 2134 🔗

If anyone had told me a year ago we’d be forced to wear face diapers and close many businesses and have personal freedoms restricted in many parts of the world, I would not have believed them. Until last year I thought the Agenda 21/30 was a conspiracy theory!

404630 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Elisabeth, 76, #25 of 2134 🔗

And that Magna Carta, The Bill of Rights, Parliament were guarantees of some sort of our inalienable rights the basis of a civilised life that we have believed essential since time immemorial. The most shocking thing of many to me.

404632 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Elisabeth, 192, #26 of 2134 🔗

Going outside a crime, your mouth and nose taped up, your children denied education, non-stop terror and hate propaganda and persecution of dissidents, human rights abolished, travel illegal, forbidden to see your family and friends, old people kept in perpetual solitary confinement, shops boarded up, all leisure facilities closed, libraries inaccessible, no society, no culture, churches boasting how they keep you safe by denying God, forced administration of useless snake oil, rabid worship of a failed medical shambles, human beings replaced by gibbering zombies… it’s still hard to believe it’s all real.

404640 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 60, #27 of 2134 🔗

Thanks Annie. It’s always good to be reminded of reality.

And all this for a run of the mill respiratory disease.

404883 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 23, #28 of 2134 🔗

Brilliant…and a good antidote to those who say ‘its not like its the Soviet Union’!

405040 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Boris Bullshit, 28, #29 of 2134 🔗

Even worse times are coming. The monsters running this shit show just can’t afford to leave a section of the public unvaccinated. This would give their evil game away, as the vaccinated carry on dropping like flies. Pressure to partake of the lethal injections will become intense.

405179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Rowan, 22, #30 of 2134 🔗

The cabinet is divided on the issue of consent. That’s reassuring, isn’t it? Half the cabinet are OK with denial of fundamental rights.

405633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bugle, 6, #31 of 2134 🔗

Worrying indeed, but in retaliation I’m not OK with any of the cabinet.

405745 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bugle, 2, #32 of 2134 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me in the least….thought it would be the whole cabinet of these shits.

405744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Rowan, 2, #33 of 2134 🔗

I agree…as the song doesn’t go…..things can only get worse.

405929 ▶▶▶▶▶ porgycorgy, replying to Rowan, 10, #34 of 2134 🔗

They will come for our children with the vaccines, just as they came at them with masks. Time to prepare for this, Us for Them?
Hundreds of thousands of us feel like this is the end of the world at the moment. We are desperate to be proved wrong.

406199 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to porgycorgy, 5, #35 of 2134 🔗

It’s looking less and less likely that we’ll be proved wrong.

The depopulation theory has a lot going for it, though for some cognitive dissonance will make it difficult to grasp and they will continue to flounder around worrying over issues that only meant to distract.

Depopulation explains most thing, including the avalanche of lies, the apparent stupidity, the fake science and the inconsistency, all of which have shrouded the ludicrous Covid event since day one.

It is the worst scenario, but it has become far too obvious to ignore. If we don’t know or accept, what the government is really up to, then we will have absolutely no chance of putting end to its outrageous intentions.

406412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rowan, 1, #36 of 2134 🔗

Don’t worry about depopulation. When this rubbish ends there will be a colossal baby boom.
Which is the very last thing that this crazily overpopulated planet needs. But the idea that lockdowns can, or are intended to, solve the overpopulation problem is ludicrous.

406575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 1, #37 of 2134 🔗

Worth pointing out that there is something like a million times the resources that the current world population requires (air, water, land etc.)

If they were properly distributed, there would be plenty for everyone. And if we ever got to a stage where there was a genuine shortage centuries from now (we won’t on current trends, the annual per centage increase of world population – if anyone actually understands these things – has been decreasing since the 60’s), by then we would likely be able to utilise resources elsewhere in the solar system – and possibly beyond – quite effectively.

What really worries me is the wars and extreme government that is likely to follow from this shamble. Now there’s real problems.

No, I’m not a Malthusian…

405222 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Annie, 6, #38 of 2134 🔗

A perfect summary of this sad new world.

405612 ▶▶▶ zners, replying to Annie, 7, #39 of 2134 🔗

It really is starting to get to me. Can one stay in such an environment?

405915 ▶▶▶ porgycorgy, replying to Annie, -1, #40 of 2134 🔗

Marry me, Annie! My kind of girl.

406414 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to porgycorgy, #41 of 2134 🔗

Alas, I am spoken for! But thanks.

404637 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Elisabeth, 37, #42 of 2134 🔗

You are not actually forced to wear the nappies. I never have and nobody has said a word.

404656 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, 83, #43 of 2134 🔗

Nor have I. My score so far is one squat, venomous little she-zombie, and our horrible rector who gibbered on at me in the face of the whole maskoid congregation.The she-zombie was mere vermin, but the rector is a traitor to God and I shall never enter that church again, living or dead.

404697 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 52, #44 of 2134 🔗

when my mum tells the mostly aged congregation at her [catholic] church that she’s not having the vaccine [in response to their enquiries: it’s what passes for small talk nowadays] she is met with looks of blank incomprehension and utter confusion. they simply have no idea where she could be coming from.

404715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 31, #45 of 2134 🔗

It never goes past beyond some people that there are reasons for going against the grain.

That’s why they’re sheep or in this case zombies.

405104 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #46 of 2134 🔗

Your mother is far from being alone, similar levels of stupidity abound where ever you go. I expect the vaccines to fix this problem and it seems they are off to a flying start.

405636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rowan, 5, #47 of 2134 🔗

Looks like irony is a lost sense.

405673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Rowan, 7, #48 of 2134 🔗

I’ve just had a similar discussion with a coworker. Educated and intelligent but swallowed the Covid scam hook line and sinker and will get the vaccine soon. Wears a mask by herself.
My questioning and suggesting there may something off with the official narrative was met with the blank stare of the indoctrinated

405913 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Elisabeth, 3, #49 of 2134 🔗

No hope for these people and perhaps the depopulators are right, these brain dead people really are just clogging up the planet. Of course, I don’t wish upon anyone the slow painful death, that Uncle Bill’s special brews will be bringing, Mostly though, they will have only themselves to blame.

404740 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 45, #50 of 2134 🔗

Don’t worry the underground church is developing where face nappies are exempt, hugging and singing loudly are encouraged and freedom to worship and live in the way God created us expected.

404941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Liberty, 17, #51 of 2134 🔗

Please tell me where?! I can’t face going to mine and sitting in a muzzle – it feels like kow-towing to the Prince of Darkness.

404961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jane G, 11, #52 of 2134 🔗

As this is being watched by the 77th brigade, online is probably not the place to share such info. What area are you in though?

405509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ paulm, replying to Liberty, #53 of 2134 🔗

North London

405000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jane G, 48, #54 of 2134 🔗

I echo your feelings on masks, that’s what led me to write this poem.

WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Would Jesus stay in lockdown?
Would Jesus hide away?
Would Jesus visit those alone
If He were here today?

Would Jesus wear a mask
When He goes to get some bread?
Would He stare with hollow eyes,
Or would He smile instead?

Would Jesus jump away
When a person walks too near?
Would He walk across the road,
Or would He show no fear?

But it’s easy to be Jesus,
He’s safe, for He’s God’s Son,
He’s protected by His Father
But He’s not the only one.

Not one of us can die
Before the Father calls us home,
For we are His precious children,
We’re not left here all alone.

Should we do what Jesus did?
Should we visit those alone?
Or should we stay away from them
And leave them on their own?

Should we cover up our face
Because we’re told we must?
Or should we smile and talk about
The God who we can trust?

Should we meet up as a church?
Should we sing His praise?
Should we hide behind a mask?
Join in with this new craze?

How is the church responding?
Are we sharing our real hope?
Are we showing all our nation
How Christians really cope?

We need to show we’re different,
Our response can’t be the same,
God is telling us quite clearly,
Christianity’s not a game.

It’s time that we got serious,
Understood what God is saying,
Time to listen to this wake-up call,
Time that we were praying.

Praying that we take this chance
To show this fearful nation,
That our hope lies not in vaccines,
But in Jesus, our Salvation.

405140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Liberty, 12, #55 of 2134 🔗

Amen.
I’m so sad people can’t understand this.

406377 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, #56 of 2134 🔗

Jesus was not a Christian and would never be in this situation as you beautifully put it in your first 3 stanzas.Unfortunately, you then mentioned God and religion which will have caused many to stop reading.

405624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jane G, 4, #57 of 2134 🔗

That’s exactly what it us.
To drive the message home, our bishop forbade the lighting of candles.

405676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Jane G, #58 of 2134 🔗

…because that’s what it is

405727 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Elisabeth, 8, #59 of 2134 🔗

I refuse to bow down to the god of health and safety, with Matt Hancock as their Archbishop. I have worshipped outside with friends, singing loudly and mask free, we’ve met in our barn with friends, in our garden with friends and we have more plans for the future. We see this situation as it unfolds, making following Christ, as the Bible tells us to, a criminal offence. God moved us to the country a year and a half ago. But God is gathering together people here and people in pockets all over the nation and the world, people want to worship in Spirit and in TRUTH. God’s people cannot be silenced. It says in His Word that “ if these [people] keep silent, the stones will cry out [in praise]!”

405789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jane G, 4, #60 of 2134 🔗

I have heard that Chinese Christians are preparing information packs for Western Christians to help us prepare the underground church.

404666 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to nottingham69, 23, #61 of 2134 🔗

People must know that you exempt yourself if you are “severely distressed”. If anyone reading this wears a mask anywhere, you are a traitor or to the LS cause.

404699 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bungle, 10, #62 of 2134 🔗

my total mask wearing time was 10 minutes, at a railway station, way back when I think it was that railway station, not the government, making it mandatory. it was weird AF. I have never worn one since.

404773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JaneHarry, 32, #63 of 2134 🔗

When the mask regulations were first proposed, I asked about mask use at the local train station. The ticketman stated that train companies would not enforce use (correct legal position) and that a TfL/railway policeman may query the issue at the exit gate (in London for me).

A lot of the grief is caused by jobsworths who think they know the law and abuse their power. This ambiguity has been deliberately encouraged by the mix of law and guidance.

404819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ken Garoo, 43, #64 of 2134 🔗

A lot of the grief is caused by jobsworths who think they know the law and abuse their power. This ambiguity has been deliberately encouraged by the mix of law and guidance.

This!!!

Half the problems are precisely these sort of people. They’re happy to abuse whatever little power they have.

Don’t forget too those businesses especially small ones who have a death wish by saying “No mask, no entry.” It’s akin to the signs from the bad old days saying “No blacks, no dogs, no Irish.”. They deserve to go bust.

405515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #65 of 2134 🔗

Strangely enough it is bakeries where we have had a bit of hassle, everywhere else fine..

406427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Woden, 1, #66 of 2134 🔗

I’ve gathered health food shops tend to be amongst the most problematic. Certainly Go Mango (in Cardigan) and the Glebelands Farm Shop (near Cardigan) are positively paranoid. Also problematic is the health food shop in Newport, Pembrokeshire.

405549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Bart Simpson, -5, #67 of 2134 🔗

Although there were never any signs saying “No blacks, no dogs, no Irish.” It’s one of these historical myths that won’t go away.

405650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 6, #68 of 2134 🔗

Wrong, such signs certainly existed.

405631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #69 of 2134 🔗

Keep that comparison, it will come in useful at Nuremberg 2, along with ‘Juden unverwünscht’.

405646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #70 of 2134 🔗

Tesco are a prime example and I assume they are looking to downsize their bloated outfit.

405122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #71 of 2134 🔗

About 10 minutes for me too, on just one occasion, last October when I went to a jazz club in London. The door person didn’t regard my scarf as adequate and provided me with one of these blue things. She was quite pleasant and persuasive, and I wasn’t going to throw away the cost of my advance ticket and journey by walking away. So I wore the blue thing until I bought a drink, which I then spun out for the whole of the gig. At the end I briefly put on the blue thing again to go to the toilet and to leave the premises.

As for my scarf: on my occasional train journeys I wrap it round the lower part of my face when I get on, then find a quiet seat where I can let it slip a bit. Food and drink is helpful here too.

406382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Edward, -3, #72 of 2134 🔗

Traitor

406606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bungle, 1, #73 of 2134 🔗

The government, and the Labour opposition, are the real traitors for me. A lot of people are being put in very difficult situations, or facing impossible choices, and this should never have happened. I’ve no plans to wear a face coverings, but people may oppose this shambles in whatever way they can – or they may be victims of the biggest propaganda campaign of all time, after many years of an education system that has failed to teach many people to think critically. (Thinking about it now, one might wonder if this was deliberate).

404774 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Bungle, 13, #74 of 2134 🔗

That’s unfair. Sometimes you need access to a service and can’t get it without a mask. See my earlier post regarding A&E

405069 ▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Bungle, 26, #75 of 2134 🔗

Some people have genuine mental health conditions or other problems e.g. autism that means that they have to avoid confrontation, so wear a mask. This was me up until the end of last year. As I posted at the start of the year, my anger has now overtaken my severe anxiety and autism fears and I have not worn one all year. It is adding to my problems, but I will fight these bastards all the way.

406419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JASA, 1, #76 of 2134 🔗

Well done!

405733 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, 2, #77 of 2134 🔗

My concern is that if severe distress is our reason for not masking up, will it soon be a reason, if you use the same logic, to call us mentally unstable for refusing the vaccine and thus vaccinate us without our permission?

406383 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, #78 of 2134 🔗

Your lack of logic is astounding.

406403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, #79 of 2134 🔗

Unfortunately the government lacks logic as well.

404675 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nottingham69, 24, #80 of 2134 🔗

My total of masking to date has consisted of a dash from the dentists reception door to the room itself and back again. The second time I visited the dentist during this I told them I was exempt and that was accepted. I have been prevented from entering in a few shops – duly going to be boycotted by me for rest of my life – but, by and large, no problem and I’ve been fine with the chain shops (so Tesco and W H Smith and Boots and I can manage). Been “asked” by assistants in a few shops – and said I was exempt and they left me to get on with my shopping there okay. So literally about 3 minutes of mask-wearing during the endless “3 weeks” of Lockdown that have now gone on about 11 months to date.

404704 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to ElizaP, 9, #81 of 2134 🔗

Once for me. Before the lockdown but while hysteria was building, visiting an old man in hospital.
Fair enough I thought. But the staff forgot to tell me to take the stuff off before I left the room and deposit it in the bin. So I wandered out to the nurses station fully garbed.
Are they still doing that today or are they wearing the same mask from bed to bed?

404759 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to ElizaP, 12, #82 of 2134 🔗

People must know the law of harassment, 1997 – if anyone asks you twice, they are committing a criminal offence.

405686 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to ElizaP, 3, #83 of 2134 🔗

I’ve worn a mask exactly once, at the doctors office. Where it almost made sense. ALMOST. If I had been there for cold symptoms. Which I wasn’t. I needed a tetanus shot cause I stepped on a rusty nail and hadn’t had a shot in 15 years…

404714 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 21, #84 of 2134 🔗

I’ve not had any remarks for months now but it was horrible at the beginning. Hence why I’ve boycotted my local M&S despite the apology and compensation from the manager and Head Office, I couldn’t bring myself to relieve the bullying and I fear that I would not be able to resist being violent towards the woman who bullied me.

404769 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to nottingham69, 39, #85 of 2134 🔗

I had the unfortunate experience of needing A&E yesterday. NO entry without a mask exemptions included. I’m exempt but managed to wear one for 2 hours before it got too much. On ripping it off and stating I was on the verve of a panic attack I had a visor literally rammed on to my head. I won’t be going into an NHS hospital again. I’d rather self diagnose or go private. The distress was worse than the pain of a broken thumb.

404892 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to TreeHugger, 18, #86 of 2134 🔗

I’d sue them, it’s the only language they understand. Forcible intervention like that sounds like assault. The evidence from 20, 30, 40 … yrs ago is that masks make little difference.

404945 ▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to John001, 17, #87 of 2134 🔗

I had wondered if what she did constituted assault. I will look onto that today. I am certainly making a formal complaint at the very least. She had a student in the room too, so I have a witness.

405632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TreeHugger, 7, #88 of 2134 🔗

I’m sure it qualifies as assault.

405656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John001, 11, #89 of 2134 🔗

Masks don’t work, rather like the NHS itself.

405617 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TreeHugger, 5, #90 of 2134 🔗

I wonder if one solution would be for people to go ahead and have the panic attacks? Not a lot of fun for the sufferer, granted, but would make the point very clearly.

406705 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to TreeHugger, #91 of 2134 🔗

Bedlam Revisited.

405080 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nottingham69, 14, #92 of 2134 🔗

Like you, I have never partaken of the dubious pleasure of inhaling dangerous mask particles and recycling my own exhaust and have never been reproached for my bare faced cheeks. My wife is of similar mind, though she has been asked by members of the public on two occasions why she was maskless. She told both of these people to mind their own effing business and they left it at that.

404649 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #93 of 2134 🔗

If you like thrillers & of strong enough constitution not to be offended by historical woke crimes. Look up Myron Fagan . & or Dr Richard Day – New Order of Barbarians Is this a case of reality copying fiction, or conspiracy theory becoming fact. Were they being truthful or did someone hijack their script?

404844 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #94 of 2134 🔗

Myron Fagan is a must listen, he is literally describing 2020 back in 1967, he uses outdated terms that are considered taboo now eg. “ negros ” but it was 1967! Not even he knew that he was describing woke culture.

Just ignore the illuminati references. Myron Fagan exposes the Illuminati/CFR [1967]

405310 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Elisabeth, 5, #95 of 2134 🔗

I’ve not worn a mask yet: they make me feel as though I’m being suffocated and panicky so I class myself as exempt. However I’m pregnant again and have to see the midwife …genuinely torn about what to do. The judgement you get for claiming exemption is not something I want while trying to build rapport with my midwife. Contemplating one of those utterly ridiculous face shields. Argh. Should I just brazen it out??

405502 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Alci, 11, #96 of 2134 🔗

I would just go in bare faced with a lanyard. Last year I went for a mammogram without a mask. The nurse got me a ridiculous visor but I later took that off as well. I have been to several other medical appointments bare faced. Just do it! You don’t want to be stressed with a horrible mask on when pregnant. I tried a mask last March and felt panicky so that was that. Good luck

405635 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alci, 11, #97 of 2134 🔗

Your baby needs oxygen. See that s/ he gets it. Don’t let anybody stop you.

404620 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #98 of 2134 🔗

I’m obviously not the only one with insomnia!

404625 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheHandbag, 10, #99 of 2134 🔗

The posters from different time zones abroad overlap with the British early birds. We provide a 24-hour non-stop service, if you can guess the correct moment to jump from the previous day’s bulletin to the new one.

405700 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Annie, 1, #100 of 2134 🔗

Haha yes typically that’s somewhere between 10:30 and 11 pm central time for North America and sometimes I manage to look at the perfect time

406621 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, #101 of 2134 🔗

I must admit to cheating a bit sometimes. 🙂

404622 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 31, #102 of 2134 🔗

It seems to me the silver linings about the abject failure of the misnamed AZ vaccine (and perhaps others, who knows, too early to tell) is that surely the idea of a vaccine passport is rendered ludicrous. That said the stupider the idea the more likely implentation seems to be a guiding principle of this government.

404623 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 11, #103 of 2134 🔗

The idea of a vaccine is rendered ludicrous.

404668 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 25, #104 of 2134 🔗

99.95% recovery rate; 99.9% for under 70s. How can a vaccine affect that?

404788 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Niborxof, 23, #105 of 2134 🔗

The passports are only using vaccination as a pretext. It’s about surveillance.

404793 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #106 of 2134 🔗

Identity cards by another name

404626 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #107 of 2134 🔗

The last item in Round-up is ‘Viva Frei’ David Freiheit much more at https://vivabarneslaw.locals.com highly recommended. Lawyer, ice fisher, vlogger, all round good egg and carer to rescue dogs. He and Robert Barnes help to make sense of what on earth is happening in USA and Canada.

404634 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #108 of 2134 🔗

Barnes is a funny and very clever guy.

404657 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to nottingham69, #109 of 2134 🔗

They both are, their regular Sunday/Monday night 2 hour chats are a treat, comfort and consolation to the bewildered gentle folk of Olde England (one at least).

404627 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 31, #110 of 2134 🔗
406713 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bella Donna, #111 of 2134 🔗

Bums away!

404628 Cecil B, 2, #112 of 2134 🔗

How is the airport prison scheme going?

405625 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #114 of 2134 🔗

How dumbed-down have people become?!

Some claimed the crowd was booing at the Bidens and not the moment of silence.

Surely not!!

404633 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 37, #115 of 2134 🔗

That front picture almost forced my breakfast back up. Those two lying vermin love this and don’t try to conceal it. I am not a violent person but those two above anybody install violent desires. Horrible, horrible individuals.

404654 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, 22, #116 of 2134 🔗

Yesyesyes. Let’s have some pictures of human beings. Yeadon, for starters.Or anything that doesn’t fill us with murderous nausea.

404655 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nottingham69, 34, #117 of 2134 🔗

The pair of them look like they are trying to suppress a smirk all the time.
Odious overpromoted individuals.
How can Hancock order us about,he looks like a kid who would get bullied at school.

404661 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to jonathan Palmer, 22, #118 of 2134 🔗

HandsonCock wasn’t bullied enough methinks. Over promoted milk monitor who was denied being a prefect because no one liked him, not even the teachers

406718 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, #119 of 2134 🔗

He probably was bullied. Now he’s seeking revenge.

404973 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nottingham69, 2, #120 of 2134 🔗

I could do serious damage to them, given the opportunity.

404635 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 19, #121 of 2134 🔗

I’ve been perusing the SAEs from the US system VAERS. It’s much better than the UK one, unsurprisingly, as it is needed by proper lawyers, (rather than the rank losers we seem to have in the UK), to win some proper money.

Firstly, rather touchingly I notice a couple of extremely old folks are clearly using vaccination to euthanise themselves and I’m rather in awe of the HCWs who are helping them to a quick end. One old chap starved his 99 (!) year old self for a full week before the vaccine, and conked pretty much the same day. So clever and dignified in a system pitched against you.

404638 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #122 of 2134 🔗

SAE? Self addressed envelope?

404639 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #123 of 2134 🔗

That’s right. To BBC at W1A 1AA.

Severe Adverse Event. I’ll make sure I’m using the correct term.

404641 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #124 of 2134 🔗

Thanks.
It’s a habit of mine from sitting on committees.

404644 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #125 of 2134 🔗

Well as long as you understand that we get a lot of entries and we might not be able to return your drawing at the end of the competition, but we do look at every one.

404646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to TheHandbag, #126 of 2134 🔗

Good memories.

404647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ed Phillips, #127 of 2134 🔗

😂

404653 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #128 of 2134 🔗

Stamped addressed envelope. You pay.

404698 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, #129 of 2134 🔗

Of course. Too early.

404643 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 12, #130 of 2134 🔗

But also is anyone else noticing that for 2 different technologies, the AZ and the mRNA both seem to be having rather similar adverse reactions? Which makes me wonder if we are be witnessing the effect of the spike protein, because that’s quite probably the only thing they have in common. (I’ll check the ingredients if I have time).

I don’t tend to watch much Judy Mikovitz because she’s scarily in the ball, but on something I saw in the good old days of YouTube, before censorship become even more rife, she referenced the ease with which vaccines become contaminated with debris from the lab. So I’m wondering.. are some of the mRNA vaccines contaminated with a Coronavirus and so stimulating an instant immunopathy (as per the pulmonary immunopathy outline in that medical report whose damning conclusion was that a SARS vaccine would likely prime its recipient to suffer an immune cascade)?

I could see how the AZ one would as it has an analogue of Covid-19, and there’s never any shortage of “wild” coronaviruses to set off a reaction. But how is the mRNA one doing it?

404741 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #132 of 2134 🔗

Don’t quite know what you’re on about.That’s why I’ve liked the comment – you have forced me to learn more!

404770 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #133 of 2134 🔗

I like the comment about not watching Judy Mikovits because she’s scarily on the ball. Just like I can’t watch Bhakdi, Sukared, Wodarg, Cahill, Buttar and even Vernon Coleman any more. Support them here: https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/contact/

406721 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to cubby, #134 of 2134 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman broke down the other night. Sobbing uncontrollably.

404677 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #135 of 2134 🔗

That poor guy! Nothing wrong with his mind – in fact it was clearly working very well, but handicapped by occupying a 99 year old body. RIP.

404642 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #136 of 2134 🔗

By Jonathan Barr Who is, Jonathan Barr, is he really a lockdown sceptic?

404652 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #137 of 2134 🔗

I suspect he is a double agent

404670 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #138 of 2134 🔗

Not sure about that, but he spends to much time being even handed & neutral. It’s as if he doesn’t really have any investment in anti-lockdown scepticism at all.

404676 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #139 of 2134 🔗

No passion at the massive injustice that is taking place.No analysis either.Uk column pointed out that the government were the biggest spender in advertising last year.Its very old news.
Also,according to the governments own figures only 150 people are known to be infected with the SA variant.

404691 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #140 of 2134 🔗

And he talks waves and spikes. Jonathan, please speak English, not Newspeak.
Ungood!

406723 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #141 of 2134 🔗

I am sure that some people here are infiltrators. Change agents. Trying to steer the narrative in another direction. Covid19 is a hoax. End of story. Everything connected to it is fraudulent and has been demonically manipulated. It’s disgusting. Next stop Nuremberg. Every damn one of them.

404645 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 46, #142 of 2134 🔗

Tim Spector getting a lot of grief for his comments over the weekend

https://twitter.com/timspector/status/1358853553683578883

he claims he was taken out of context – but I think his comments that ‘masks and social distancing will carry on for years because they are no cost’ mark him out as just another oddball public health fanatic who neither knows nor cares about human rights – he just sees us as numbers on his spreadsheet. His mum should throw him out

404651 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to steve_w, 54, #143 of 2134 🔗

See this is exactly what pisses me right off about Spector and his ilk. This is why I will not take part in passive monitoring and balked at sending him an email to point out that in Lincolnshire (at least) COVID-19 had been circulating well ahead of December 2019.

What the fuck makes people like him think they get to choose? Is he some kind of Svengali getting to choose how/when we get to live our lives? No he fucking isn’t! He’s a foot solider from academia. He should bloody know his place.

Which really gives credence to the Bill Gates theorists because if he doesn’t have delusions of grandeur, then he actually must be part of a cabal of people pulling the strings from Imperial , who really actually do have the power to distaste how/when we go back. And then Johnson really is a puppet ruler, and we really are all screwed unless we passively or actively resist.

But what frustrates me most of all is just how many LOSERS are cluttering up academia devaluing real research by faking it, at a time when for the safety of the country, we need real, impartial and gold-standard analysis.

404682 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #144 of 2134 🔗

in Lincolnshire (at least) COVID-19 had been circulating well ahead of December 2019

Do you have any evidence for this? I strongly suspect it went through here (SW Devon) in December-January 2019/20, but can’t point to any direct evidence in support.

404755 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to TJN, 6, #145 of 2134 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8715661/Pictured-British-grandfather-84-died-Covid-19-having-caught-December.html
Other articles have also appeared in Kent newspapers of families who were ill around Nov/Dec 19 and have since tested positive for antibodies. It’s certainly been in Kent since Dec 19.

404909 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TreeHugger, 3, #146 of 2134 🔗

Thanks – in my view, the balance of evidence for it being around early has gone from tentative to compelling. But no one wants to talk about it.

405022 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to TreeHugger, #147 of 2134 🔗

Put me down for Merseyside end of Jan 20, went right through a local hospital staff.

406274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to iansn, #148 of 2134 🔗

Did subsequent covid waves appear there? They haven’t done much down here – another reason why I think it went through here early.

405130 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to TJN, 6, #149 of 2134 🔗

In the summer of 2019 the military games took place in China and many athletes returned home with flu like symptoms in September. I also believe many countries in Europe discovered covid in the sewage from about this time.I believe the epi-centre for covid in Europe was northern Italy where a large Chinese community live and work.I believe covid is endemic in China and as been for some years which explains why they rates of covid is some thirty times lower than ours.

406269 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Derek Toyne, #150 of 2134 🔗

Yes, the cumulative circumstantial evidence looks compelling.

404816 ▶▶▶ ituex, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #151 of 2134 🔗

See above. Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t make them a loser. If he’d been running this rather than Imperial ( he’s from Kings College Hospital) the last year would have been massively more proportionate.

404665 ▶▶ danny, replying to steve_w, 44, #152 of 2134 🔗

It’s the same with Boris. Whenever he gives a speech he talks about lockdown essentially being “inconvenient”. These people have no conception at all about cost, to businesses and of course cancelled and missed medical care yes, but also mentally.
Neil Oliver made a great comment the other day. Something like “nobody who is warm, will ever understand those who are cold”.

404667 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to danny, 21, #153 of 2134 🔗

Solzhenitsyn. Oliver is a good advocate for sanity and wisdom

404810 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to danny, 4, #154 of 2134 🔗

“Everyone is equally free to sleep under a bridge. Some chose to and some do not” is the mentality.

404681 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to steve_w, 6, #155 of 2134 🔗

“No cost” is a concept that falls at the first hurdle anyway – ie re masks. What about all the health and looks problems they create? – or is treating them something that no-one anywhere (either the person concerned or our NHS) has to bear?

404748 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to steve_w, 17, #156 of 2134 🔗

He says on Twitter that all he meant was that large events can’t take place ‘without regulations’ as we need to learn to live with endemic Covid. Firstly, Covid will only be minimally harmful and so should not be used as an excuse for any kind of restrictive regulation; and second he clearly has no idea at all of the economic cost of regulating large gatherings, which essentially means fewer people in the same space or the same people in more space. Concerts, shows, exhibitions etc will therefore be far more costly to attend and as a result many will not survive, so it will NOT be merely a matter of applying a few regulations. On the other hand it will be a more comfortable experience for those wealthy enough to go. The elite wins again.

404760 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to richardw53, 39, #157 of 2134 🔗

his backtrack was a bit pathetic. My issue with him is

1 – ‘masks and social distancing will carry on for years because they are no cost’

a ludicrous statement that can only have been made by a psycopath

2 – ‘restrictions’ – who do they think they are? where is the debate about risk and freedom. It is now assumed that in order to ‘save’ some people, my rights don’t exist

404792 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to steve_w, 3, #158 of 2134 🔗

When his party loses support in polls he’ll change his mind. Teresa May has more principles.

406112 ▶▶▶▶ pingram, replying to steve_w, #159 of 2134 🔗

Yup, he has form on this – got quite a backlash on twitter a couple of weeks ago when he agreed with someone suggesting outdoor masking. He was not quoted out of context, he’s either trying not to rock the boat or is stupid. He’s already missed out on funding so why he is trying to appease the establishment is anyone’s guess.

404811 ▶▶ ituex, replying to steve_w, -19, #160 of 2134 🔗

This is completely unfair. I know Tim Spector from medical school. He is not a public health person he is a practicing doctor. He is called professor because he is paid by the university rather than the NHS to further improve medical education. He is at Kings College Hospital. Oh and he doesn’t live with his mum.
You may not agree with him but he’s a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than everybody on here.

404824 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to ituex, 20, #161 of 2134 🔗

Not casting aspersions on his medical qualifications. Just his apparent inability to recognise the effects of the measures he is applauding. If you present yourself as an expert and stand on a media platform, you should expect comment.

404857 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to ituex, 21, #162 of 2134 🔗

You’re confusing qualifications with intelligence and ethics.

404863 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to ituex, 24, #163 of 2134 🔗

Whatever his credentials and his provenance, what he said about NPIs being essentially ‘zero cost’ was unforgivable.

A total lack of insight into the impact this is having on people, society and the economy. Only someone with a mental malfunction would even suggest such a thing.

404946 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to ituex, 20, #164 of 2134 🔗

He may be more knowledgeable than me but he is amoral. It’s not what he knows I have an issue with – its what he thinks is reasonable to do to me, my children and society. Saying social distancing and masks are no cost shows him for the monster he is

405074 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to ituex, 10, #165 of 2134 🔗

If he’s not a public health person, he shouldn’t make public health policy pronouncements. This is where the reliance on the science falls down; science doesn’t help in defining an acceptable level of risk – that is a political judgement which needs to be made in the full context of social, economic, psychological as well as health consequences. The phrase that they all use that irritates me is ‘stay safe.’ What the hell does that mean? ‘Safe’ is an undefined and imprecise concept that cannot be used as a policy objective without some definition and metrics around it. Used on an individual level, it is a cop-out – nothing more than virtue signalling.

405535 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to ituex, 2, #166 of 2134 🔗

Knowledge doe’s not mean wisdom or empathy,

405671 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Woden, 1, #167 of 2134 🔗

No, for example, Ferguson knows how to create very dodgy models.

406159 ▶▶▶ pingram, replying to ituex, 4, #168 of 2134 🔗

If he was knowledgeable about masks he wouldn’t be recommending them when there is an overwhelming weight of evidence against their effectiveness.

404650 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 16, #169 of 2134 🔗

UKMFA: Urgent warning re Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the elderly and Care Homes

Letter to Nadhim Zahawi, Matt Hancock, MHRA, JCVI cc. Boris Johnson
UK Medical Freedom Alliance : Urgent warning re Covid-19 vaccine-related deaths in the elderly and Care Homes (attached)

The document can be downloaded from the web here

404660 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 31, #170 of 2134 🔗

I am in favour of the right of individuals to choose the right to live or die and have been disappointed at the sanctimonious and timorous reluctance of MPs to work towards this when it has come up in Parliament. And so to me it has been amazing to see the way the lives of the elderly, especially those in care homes have been cut short by state actions. We cannot decide for ourselves, that would be terrible, but the the government can do it for you, that is apparently OK!

404673 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #171 of 2134 🔗

You can suely see now, Steve, how euthanasia laws could be misused and even used coercively (which we on the other side of the debate have been saying all along). The disabled have been opposed to euthanasia laws for that reason.

For example a man in Canada was told that the state wouldn’t fund sufficient care for him to be at home, but they would fund his euthanasia.

We must resist.

404732 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to this is my username, 14, #172 of 2134 🔗

Probably a rather complex subject for a prolonged debate on this forum but I do not agree that we should ban something because some people might abuse it. Too many people are already making arrangements, people I know with the wherewithal have prearranged things with Switzerland, my 91 year old aunt has her bottles of pills and booze ready in case anyone tries to drag her to a care home, I have my own plans. It is not an easy subject but i feel it needs an open realistic debate.

405103 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #173 of 2134 🔗

I don’t know why anyone would trust the government again: they target the frail and sick and then when they die it is just a coincidence. No one knows and it muddies the water. In the past doctors would not have vaccinated the frail and sick.

406725 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to alw, #176 of 2134 🔗

I thought they believed in Zero for everything? Obviously not.

405068 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Basileus, 7, #177 of 2134 🔗

Yes, an important point about how cynical health officials breakdown the data so the effects are invisible. In this correspondence two and a half years ago lawyer Clifford Miller trawling the MHRA data for the Pandemrix vaccine in 2009 found 178 cases possibly related to narcolepsy (which had become recognised as side-effect) when the MHRA and June Raine denied finding any and were particularly hard nosed about it:

https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rapid-responses

They are of course mightily conflicted since if they find anything it shows they were wrong to license in the first place, not to mention being entirely funded by the manufacturers. What could possibly go wrong?

404658 Janette, replying to Janette, 43, #178 of 2134 🔗

It’s my birthday today and I am so disappointed as I was supposed to be celebrating it with a week in London but unfortunately it had to be cancelled!

404663 ▶▶ danny, replying to Janette, 11, #179 of 2134 🔗

Happy birthday Janette.

404664 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Janette, 17, #180 of 2134 🔗

Happy Birthday, it increasingly seems like we are having to live like long term prisoners and learn to be free in our minds;
In my mind I’m goin’ to Carolina
Can’t you see the sunshine?
Can’t you just feel the moonshine?

404669 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #181 of 2134 🔗

I love that song. You put a smile on my face Steve

404686 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Janette, 1, #182 of 2134 🔗

Happy birthday! Bring out the booze and dance on you own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J294A-R1Cjk

404689 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Janette, 6, #183 of 2134 🔗

Wishing you many, many much happier returns and a chance to set London ablaze with celebration.

404719 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Janette, 13, #184 of 2134 🔗

Janette, here’s a birthday limerick for you.

Jannette, happy birthday today,
These rules we don’t want to obey,
They’re not made for our fun,
They are really quite dumb,
So ignore them and have some fun anyway.

My daughter is 12 today and we intend to make the most of it, even in this stupid situation. Hoping you have a good day despite the restrictions.

406207 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Liberty, 1, #185 of 2134 🔗

Thanks Liberty and Happy Birthday to your daughter too.

404729 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janette, 3, #186 of 2134 🔗

Happy Birthday!!!!

404743 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Janette, 22, #187 of 2134 🔗

Happy Birthday.
Mine (50th) was mid January, It managed to be just as sad as my 40th which I spent sat alone in a coffee shop. When we get our freedom back I suggest we have a huge joint birthday party for all the missed ones.
I hope your day is as good as it can be.

406367 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to TreeHugger, #188 of 2134 🔗

Thanks Treehugger thanks and yes I like the idea of a huge birthday party for all those we missed.

404761 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Janette, 7, #189 of 2134 🔗

Happy Birthday Janette – the sun is out and it’s a lovely crisp morning to go out and have a nice walk – the bastards can’t take the pleasure of nature away from us! Then a nice meal and glass or two of vino dancing round the kitchen to your favourite tunes played loudly!
Enjoy!

404780 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Janette, 4, #190 of 2134 🔗

The factory owners allowed you 5 celebratory days per year so you worked the other 360 for them. Celebrate every day by meeting and embracing like-minded folk. x

404915 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Janette, 1, #191 of 2134 🔗

Happy birthday Janette.

405563 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Janette, 3, #192 of 2134 🔗

It’s my birthday too! Happy birthday to both of us. My son is staying with my wife and me – I went and collected him by car a few days ago, which was a round trip of 280 miles. It was all completely legal, because he lives alone and can be in our linked household, although I was in a rage at having to worry whether it was legal or not, and nervous about being stopped by the rozzers on the way. But in a journey across much of central England, about half motorways, I was pleased to see that traffic was quite heavy; about half of the pre-tyranny normal I think.

405730 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edmund Mortimer, #193 of 2134 🔗

Happy birthday both of you. I hope you can make it special.

406372 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Edmund Mortimer, #194 of 2134 🔗

Happy birthday to you too Edmund. Wow I don’t think I know anyone else with the same birthday! Yes I know what you mean we start to questions ourselves all the time now on whether we are allowed to do certain things. It’s absolute madness! Anyway enjoy your day what’s left of it.

406727 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Janette, #195 of 2134 🔗

Better luck next year. I haven’t been to London since 1978.

404659 PatrickF, 37, #196 of 2134 🔗

Look me in the eyes and tell me behavioural psychology doesn’t work, Sheeple.

404662 danny, 34, #197 of 2134 🔗

Look her in the eyes and tell her that she must die alone without family at her bedside.

404671 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #198 of 2134 🔗

Police informed of young people congregating in groups in Kinver, South Staffordshire: Not North Korea.

404710 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 27, #199 of 2134 🔗

I’ll raise you. 75 year old man moved off bench by police concerned he may encourage a gathering of people!

404821 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 30, #200 of 2134 🔗

I see your ’75 year old man on a bench’ and raise you ’15 bench seats removed from cathedral grounds to prevent people sitting in dangerously large groups’ (ie groups of 2). Some of the benches were donated in memory of people who loved sitting there. They are now turning in their graves.

404882 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ken Garoo, 17, #201 of 2134 🔗

That’s disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.

404672 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 53, #202 of 2134 🔗

On the radio comedy show ‘Dead Ringers’ they used to portray Johnson as Gollum from Lord of the Rings,’ good Boris and Bad Boris’. That seems to be about right, I can never quite make out how much is planned, how much is total incompetence, how much is evil intent, how much it is dominance by the health tyrants, how much is that his personal political ambitions trumps everything else? Possibly he does not know and it depends how he feels each day?
Whatever, Peter Hitchens was his usual acerbic self yesterday talking about how hard politicians find it to ever remove any restrictions lest things should later go wrong and they get the blame. At the moment the weakness of our politicians (whether planned or by default?) is leading to the disgraceful spectacle of the deputy Chief Medical tyrant lecturing the British people about their holiday plans. Having let these health tyrants into this position it is going to be as hard to put them back in the box as it is to have the confidence to back down on restrictions, I do not think Johnson in any of his manifestations is capable of doing this.
Will nobody rid this country of these miserable health tyrants and these pointless restrictions?

404685 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #203 of 2134 🔗

Who did they portray that likeable Handick as?

404688 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #204 of 2134 🔗

Sam Gamgee was right about Gollum. There was no good Gollum and bad Gollum, only Slinker and Stinker.

405827 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #205 of 2134 🔗

Johnson, in all of his guises, is working to the Bill Gates agenda. He is a traitor and needs to be dealt with accordingly.

406729 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, #206 of 2134 🔗

He believes in Build Back Better.

404674 Cecil B, 36, #207 of 2134 🔗

It feels like a year long episode of Monty Python

“I want to complain about this dead virus”

“It’s not dead it’s resting, It’s a South African Blue they like resting ”

“It is not resting, it is dead you nailed it to the perch”

“No, no, look did you see that it’s mutating”

Policing by Douglas and Dinsdale Piranha

“But there is film of you actually punching him”

“Yeah, but no he butted my clenched fist”

Matt Hancock and the Ministry of Silly Smirks

404679 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 42, #208 of 2134 🔗

Luc the punched Cafe owners GoFund me page is now in excess of £11,000

The Stasi punched him and then charged him with assaulting them

Corrupt and Despotic

If you can afford to donate please do so, if only as a protest

Lets show him and his family that the people of this country are better than these Gestapo thugs

https://gofund.me/96c73d50

(Yes I have)

404696 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 29, #209 of 2134 🔗

The Stasi punched him and then charged him with assaulting them

If this goes to court, surely the video – unless there are parts we have not seen – will totally exonerate Luc. The police no longer police by consent. They are a disgrace.

So have I.

404855 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to kh1485, 4, #210 of 2134 🔗

As I suggested yesterday

1) he doesn’t need £££ for a counterclaim against the police for assault, harassment, etc that can be done in a county court using the small claims track for up to £10k damages (the litigant can claim costs at £19 per hour if the other party has behaved unreasonably which GMP have by punching him and then lying

2) a person charged with a criminal offence is normally provided with a solicitor – £11k is only useful if one of the plots set out by the Secret Barrister come to pass in which case an individual needs some backup.

404877 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to John001, 17, #211 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for the clarification. I donated because I wanted to send my support to a fellow business owner who is being targeted. Having been harassed myself by the authorities – though to a lesser degree – he has my utmost sympathy.

404965 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to John001, 9, #212 of 2134 🔗

It’s not just legal costs. He has debts incurred by the lockdown. I gave him the money in order to show that we are all not mindless thugs

Are you from the 77th?

If you don’t want to give don’t. If your not giving why comment?

404738 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 25, #213 of 2134 🔗

Well done him and shame on Manchester Police for this.

Having lived in Manchester, I’ve always thought the police over there were useless. Couldn’t be bothered going after those who commit FGM, forced marriage and grooming gangs because they didn’t want to be seen as “racist”

Pathetic.

404767 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #214 of 2134 🔗

They actively covered up those things, to maintain their muslim block vote. The police and crime commissioner involved in the cover up is now my mp.

405056 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #215 of 2134 🔗

Exactly. Funny that I used to live not far from where the MEN Arena bomber lived.

The university was no better as well – did nothing with regards to anti-Semitic literature coming from left wing and Muslim student groups.

404739 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #216 of 2134 🔗

Done

404831 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cecil B, 1, #217 of 2134 🔗

I didn’t know about this. Has it been reported/video posted anywhere? Jobsworth’s salary paid by the very people they attack.

405231 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #218 of 2134 🔗

It’s posted in several places but this is quite a good summary with the footage:

https://youtu.be/rN-bjUuwAEg

405260 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Cecil B, #219 of 2134 🔗

Donated.

405726 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Cecil B, #220 of 2134 🔗

And the next time 80 patrons show up carrying pitchforks and shovels

404680 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 18, #221 of 2134 🔗

Yesterday’s Telegraph headlines in rhyme. Some more of my lockdown limericks.

‘Teenagers are suckers for online conspiracy theories – parents should be increasingly worried’

The BBC lies on the news,
Filling our heads with their views,
These teens they can see,
What’s a conspiracy,
It’s the BBC you should accuse.

‘Keep the faith in Oxford Covid jab, urges minister’

Covidians now are a cult,
It’s entirely the media’s fault,
They have found a new faith
Which they think keeps them safe
Fear and chaos is now the result.

‘Living with the ‘lost’ generation: how to parent a GCSE student during the pandemic’
Our teens barely can cope,
The lockdowns have stolen their hope,
Locked up in their homes,
They are glued to their phones,
Or they go out with mates and smoke dope.

404687 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 5, #222 of 2134 🔗

Great, and it all scans!

404683 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 59, #223 of 2134 🔗

I’ve just skimned through the first part of this update and come straight here to the comments box. Seriously struggling to defend this site these days. Copy and pasting from the Telegraph is NOT lockdown scepticism. One of my customers told me yesterday she had unsubscribed from the LS mailing list and doesn’t bother reading the content anymore.

Get it together lads – there can be no fence-sitting here. Either live up to your name, or call it quits.

404705 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Scotty87, 43, #224 of 2134 🔗

I enjoy this site for the comments alone. This is a great space where we can share and chat, that’s good enough for me. I suppose the content above the line bridges the gap between us deeper sceptics and the mainstream view. That’s probably quite good, because people will go on there to get a start on the alternative views and then come down here for the real content. I think it is a win win. As an aside, I decided to share my poetry down here from now on, instead of sending them to Toby, because some my newer work is a bit too critical of the government’s agenda, but you guys are more on my wavelength, so I decided below the line was a more appropriate place to share.

404711 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Scotty87, 11, #225 of 2134 🔗

So true I said as much earlier, theres just no passion in opposition to lockdown, it’s as if the author is a non-believer, if it weren’t for the comments section i’d probably delete this site from my bookmarks.

404766 ▶▶ dan, replying to Scotty87, 6, #226 of 2134 🔗

Yes.only come here not ATL
UKC is all I have left.

404775 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Scotty87, 10, #227 of 2134 🔗

Yes, the site has serious editorial flaws – I am doing a full academic analysis of reasons we come to this site. First findings are obvious: cheer each other up; find evidence to back our case; support the heroes like Yeadon & Craig; spotlight the irrational,people and ideas. Freedom is indeed a key element but ‘wokeness’??? I don’t know what it is but, as a Socialist, suspect I might be one. When you attack your own supporters, you are finished.

404800 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bungle, 5, #228 of 2134 🔗

Bungle, if you are a socialist, then may I suggest you read this very long essay by Denis Rancourt:. Link below.

He shows how the ideologies of ‘wokeness’ have been designed and marketed in order to solidify the current system of dollar-centred monopoly capitalism.

‘wokeness’ has been explicity designed to supplant traditional class-based socialist thinking and canalize protest into areas much more acceptable – and indeed beneficial — to the powerful.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332182416_GEO-ECONOMICS_AND_GEO-POLITICS_DRIVE_SUCCESSIVE_ERAS_OF_PREDATORY_GLOBALIZATION_AND_SOCIAL_ENGINEERING_Historical_emergence_of_climate_change_gender_equity_and_anti-racism_as_State_doctrines

406415 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to rockoman, #229 of 2134 🔗

Thanks, I guess I do know what ‘wokeness’ is to those who denounce it.I just don’t think it should be brought up on this site.

404822 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Bungle, 16, #230 of 2134 🔗

I started coming here in the late summer because when the news was in full panic-mode, there would be an excellent counter-argument here. Now either I’m past caring about panic mode or it’s not as bad, but there don’t really seem to be counter-arguments to a lot of what’s been in the news for the past few weeks. The government says something, it’s clearly unworkable, meh. So the LS headlines are copy and pastes from MSM; they don’t need debunking because they’re so light on material there’s nothing to debunk.

I’d like to support the heroes more; in fact I’d like to hear from them more. I understand Mike Yeadon deleted his Twitter account because of the backlash and loss of work he was suffering due to his position. I’d like to know about this from the LS front page. We’d all like to know what’s happened to Carl Henegan lately. Why are so many of the trailblazers going quiet? I’m not on social media but I’d rather the personal work that these people may be doing somewhere like Twitter gets amplified by being pasted here, rather than the MSM.

I don’t think the wokeness has a place here; it falls within the FSU umbrella which I guess is why it’s on this site but it doesn’t add to the LS content and tends to be very USA-centered. If we must have wokeness, how about some UK content. There’s plenty of it here (though we’re not as bonkers as the USA).

406425 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to landt2020, 1, #231 of 2134 🔗

I put a few days ago what Carl told me – he and Tom are finishing several reviews for WHO and he has appeared with J H-B and updated the Florence Nightingale data on the CEBM site.

404796 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Scotty87, 23, #232 of 2134 🔗

I think Jonathan is a bit weak (sorry, mate). Will still writes decently sceptical headlines rather than cut and paste.
I’d much rather this site existed than not and am very grateful to Toby for starting it. It’s an excellent repository of links to relevant articles and papers and also gives us all space to vent which is much needed

404865 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 44, #233 of 2134 🔗

Yes so true. My wife asked me why I was swearing at my phone this morning and could I shut up as the people on her zoom call could hear me. How can LS post utter bollocks from handjob and that fucking awful shitbag van twat? We are not the telegraph we are LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS, why is the person ATL not tearing into this absolute bullshit. Just one line, one single line from that piece should have made you so angry you should have been reaching for your pitchfork. Don’t make holiday plans!!! Who the fuck do you think you are? What right has a civil servant got to tell me I cannot leave my country. Fuck off. You are NOT the ruler if this country and have no right to tell me what I can do.
When there was a war in Sarajevo, it was pretty bad right? People were being murdered every day. Every night in the news reporters would tell you stories of snipers dressed in flak jackets. But here’s the thing. NOBODY STOPPED ME GOING THERE! Nobody took my passport away if I was stupid enough to take the risk that was up to me. My life, my choice. But now because some Mickey mouse virus that has fuck all chance of killing me, I am locked up in my own house because YOU don’t think its safe. If that does not trigger you, you should not be doing opinion pieces on this site and should be an editor on fucking mumsnet.

406428 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Spikedee1, #234 of 2134 🔗

We need more like you M8, not the wishy-washy Christians sorry to say.

404971 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Scotty87, 3, #235 of 2134 🔗

The telegraph makes me vomit

405696 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark, 1, #236 of 2134 🔗

You are not alone.

406731 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, #237 of 2134 🔗

Send The Telegraph audio files of people vomiting. Hundreds of them. There were plenty of them on Little Britain.

405768 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Scotty87, 4, #238 of 2134 🔗

I get sick of the sight of ugly fuckers like Johnson and Whitty on the photos in masks all the time. We see these bastards every day on the computer however much we try to avoid them. And stop using the vile creep’s first names.

404684 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 9, #239 of 2134 🔗

“True, Sweden didn’t avoid a second wave, as many lockdown sceptics thought it would. But the restriction it imposed at the end of last year were far milder than those imposed in the UK and achieved similar results.”

… so why didn’t they do as in the spring to get similar result to that?

404690 ▶▶ Mike, replying to norwegian, 5, #240 of 2134 🔗

Depends entirely if you see the virus as following a seasonal trend rather than a continuous infection. Remember all the ‘covid deaths’ so far recorded would normally cover 2 cold/flu seasons. Is that second spike or just the next years season kicking of…here or in Sweden

404693 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Mike, 2, #241 of 2134 🔗

I think it’s next years “harvest”.

404771 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to norwegian, 4, #242 of 2134 🔗

Or ‘cull’.

404850 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Mike, 6, #243 of 2134 🔗

The big mistake is to think of ‘the virus’. It isn’t a uniform or static entity. There are many virus assemblages, each adapting to its host. And the host adapts to the virus assemblage it is exposed to.

This outbreak is the most closely examined disease outbreak ever known, and we still do not know the fundamentals of how things work out. And that is because the process is essentially purely political, exploited by people with various agendas (including most commonly ‘get rich quick’)

404789 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to norwegian, 8, #244 of 2134 🔗

Read that ATL thinking: Sweden’s mortality is unchanged so you can go look for your ‘second wave” in the tea leaves.

And also Guy, yes there is a RIGHT way and it’s not to lockdown at all. If science is to be used you need a control otherwise you’ve got dictatorship.

404830 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mhcp, 13, #245 of 2134 🔗

Yes another piss poor opinion piece from Guy. If lockdowns work there should be irrefutable proof. Non science people like us should look at the figures and it should be blindingly obvious. Sorry I can’t see any evidence, and i am looking really hard. So how did your variants spread? We are locked down, they cannot be transmitted, we are wearing masks and social distancing, we are WFH. but what happened? Had no impact, the virus still got spread. Could this be happening because of lockdown? Oh lets not ask that question. At what point do you HAVE to admit its had no impact and try something else? You know like Florida or Sweden?

405308 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, 5, #246 of 2134 🔗

I had an argument on YT with someone about this and he couldn’t accept that Sweden had no significant increase in deaths year on year. His line was “are you telling me that these people would have died anyway?” – well maybe not those exact people but over all Yes.

I tried reversing the situation and suggesting that if Sweden had 20k deaths overall, of which 12k were COVID deaths, absent COVID, was he saying that Sweden would have only 8k deaths in 2020 compared to close to 20k every previous year. He couldn’t provide an answer to this.

404692 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 31, #247 of 2134 🔗

So who wants to give me odds.

If the school year is extended into the summer months, just at the time when families are finally about to reunite after more than a year in isolation, councils will start threatening parents with fines if their kids are not in school.

After all, every day missed by a child is detrimental to their education, they will say, ignoring the entire year missed of their education while they all hid and trembled in fear..

404694 ▶▶ l835, replying to Richy_m_99, 31, #248 of 2134 🔗

Teachers unions won’t allow that. Summer is teachers holiday time, they need it after the stresses of working on the front line…

404695 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #249 of 2134 🔗

I mentioned to my wife that they are preparing the way for schools to go on through the summer.

Her response: Yeah, they can get lost. (and a little bit more besides. All without colourful language, too.)

She is quite mild mannered about a lot of this but when she gets riled up about it she is glorious.

404890 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #250 of 2134 🔗

I gotta be honest Richy I really can’t see them getting back before summer. There is no positive news its all doom and gloom. The vaccine was meant to be their way out and all its doing is increasing the old death toll. If they don’t drop the fear narrative, how do they get the mumsnet mob to send their kids to school? What a shitshow.

404700 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #251 of 2134 🔗

It would appear we now have a ‘Education Catch Up Tsar’

Oh dear, if only we had a ‘Don’t Fuck It Up In The First Place Tsar’ back in March

Anyway, why do they keep using the ‘T’ word.

They took out and shot the original Mr T (no not him, he was American with a huge gold chain)

405336 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Cecil B, #252 of 2134 🔗

Brilliant analysis.

404702 isobar, replying to isobar, 36, #253 of 2134 🔗

More evidence that a growing number of people are sick and tired of this shitshow
‘The ‘more elaborate’ your summer holiday plans, the more likely that you will have to CANCEL them, Prof Van Tam warns Britons,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9237963/The-elaborate-summer-holiday-plans-likely-cancel-says-Van-Tam.html

Best rated comment (5058 upticks)
He might as well have said, dont plan to go anywhere again because well just keep coming up with excuses to keep you all locked up

Worst rated comment (367 downticks)
People, who book a holiday, deserve to lose every single penny. Get a grip of yourself. It’s like the only conversation in some homes – let’s book a holiday…

404706 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to isobar, 42, #254 of 2134 🔗

If people are starting to get ‘sick and tired’ I am pleased. But how sad and depressing that the thing that is exercising them is that they may not get a summer holiday. I wanted people to get angry about losing their liberty last April (as I was, and continue to be). But, as I keep saying, the notion of ‘liberty’ does not seem to chime with the vast majority of Brits. And it irritates the hell out of me that I have to exist alongside such people.

404717 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to kh1485, 14, #255 of 2134 🔗

Can understand how you feel, but bit by bit I get the impression that resistance is mounting and restrictions on holidays are symptomatic of this, not just the only reason.

404718 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 9, #256 of 2134 🔗

Well, people notice the loss of liberty in different ways, I guess.

404722 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 15, #257 of 2134 🔗

As I say, depressing that the thing that most exercises them is missing out on two weeks in Spain. But then, I suppose these people haven’t been deprived of earning a living for nearly a year.

404786 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to kh1485, 6, #258 of 2134 🔗

And don’t seem to have much empathy for the mental and economical toll of that.

404825 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 13, #259 of 2134 🔗

Most of them have not earned a living; they have been gifted taxpayers’ money for doing bugger all which is not quite the same as earning it. You and I earn our money, or are prevented from doing so to anybody real extent.
All those not on furlough who have been needed to keep the show on the road are earning a living.
I suspect those who care most about a holiday abroad have suffered little so far but if it makes them notice then I suppose it’s a good thing .
I’d love to go to Italy this summer but it’s way down my priority list. Number one is visiting my son in Northern Ireland which may as well be the moon at the moment.

404720 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 28, #260 of 2134 🔗

It’s like they enjoy their domestication, we are being managed like cattle & their only gripe is their fortnight in the sun & a pint down the pub.

My opinion of humanity has sunk to a new low & I was always critical of their complicity to serfdom.

404725 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #261 of 2134 🔗

You know the song suggestion abl – well I suggested I Predict a Riot back in May. How wrong was I about that … Totally amazed at how easy it has been to hoodwink virtually an entire country.

404791 ▶▶▶▶▶ tazzy, replying to kh1485, 1, #262 of 2134 🔗

Me too – I was so wrong!

404828 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 8, #263 of 2134 🔗

True but start picking on certain sections of the community for being vaccine refusers and then we may see some discontent to put it mildly.

404918 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 2, #264 of 2134 🔗

Indeed. Anyone asking me if I am getting the jab, will be told in no uncertain terms that it’s none of their business.

404944 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kh1485, 4, #265 of 2134 🔗

Yes you really can fool all the people…. because the ones you didn’t fool don’t have a voice and if they do speak up are shouted down and silenced. FSU – Mike Yeadon, yes thank for your support lads!!

404947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #266 of 2134 🔗

That Abe Lincoln quote was clearly from a time before mass media.
These days you can DEFINITELY fool all the people all the time.

404776 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #267 of 2134 🔗

For most of the country I think their life boundaries and ambition are a pint in the pub and a fortnight getting bladdered on Ibiza. The remaining are the “mustn’t grumble” and it’s for the best etc types who want the state to nanny them.
Then there is us, the sceptics, who value self determination and making our own choices given the facts and not want the state ruling every aspect of our lives.

404731 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to kh1485, 24, #268 of 2134 🔗

Some people haven’t got family to miss, don’t go out to eat often, do office work and therefore have had an easy time through lockdown. If lack of holidays is what it takes to wake them up, I welcome them to the daylight with open arms. I’ve been in the light since April last year, some of my family are just waking up.

404753 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 12, #269 of 2134 🔗

I agree, but if it makes the zombies rebel, that’s fine by me.

404758 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 5, #270 of 2134 🔗

Yes, I believe that we have been living through a false dawn when it seemed that people were now mature enough and had attained a level of individual thought at which they understood the vital importance of freedom, democracy and individual responsibility. It seems that I, at least, was wrong and that most people want to be led and told what to think.

Maybe come the next Millenium!?

405289 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to iane, 4, #271 of 2134 🔗

my best hope at the moment is that after the fucking elites have finished genociding the rest of us, some meteorite or REAL pandemic will wipe their smug faces off the face of the earth forever, and then some other species can have a chance. The human race has blown it, I think

404763 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to kh1485, 16, #272 of 2134 🔗

The people that sit at home because they can’t afford to, can’t be bothered, or are unsociable and never wanted holidays are always going to enjoy everyone else’s misery.
The ones that are getting upset about not getting a holiday have probably always been on the fence re lockdown but if my families neighbours are anything to go by, the vast majority have been ignoring a lot of the laws regarding visiting family etc but unfortunately cannot ignore the law that we are forbidden to leave the country. If this is what it takes to awaken the rest fully then so be it.
I will take whatever it takes to get a mass uprising.

404881 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #273 of 2134 🔗

Agree. I’ve long been angry about the lack of perspective and empathy, its nothing but crocodile tears.

405278 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 2, #274 of 2134 🔗

it’s a bit sad that they think this is the worst thing that’s going to happen to them. In fact they are going to see everyone they know and love die a horrible painful death, and then succumb to a horrible painful death themselves. when are they going to wake the fuck up and realise it?

405793 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 4, #275 of 2134 🔗

Yes I am really hating the people I have to share the country with….I have never been a great fan of ‘the public’ but I now actively despise most of them. I just wish there was another planet I could live on that is not inhabited by cowardly herd sheep who place no value on freedom and independence. The blitz spirit my arse.

404785 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to isobar, 28, #276 of 2134 🔗

Van Tam, Witty, Vallance, where on earth do they find these miserable depotic health tyrants? I’d rather have Arthur Daley or Del Boy Trotter running our health than this trio. There was once a lady who seemed more reasonable Jenny Harries? she made some comment about children being more likely to be injured in a car accident than being adversely affected by Covid, since then she seems to have become one of the disappeared.

404807 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #277 of 2134 🔗

She committed the cardinal sin of questioning the evidence as to the utility of masks.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676535/Jenny-Harries-says-face-coverings-evidence-not-strong.html

404901 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to isobar, 4, #278 of 2134 🔗

and yet they will bend over and get their anal swabs when ordered
No sympathy at all

404707 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 43, #279 of 2134 🔗

The Daily Expose has this analysis of ONS and NHS data.

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/06/protect-nhs-100k-deaths/

‘But what would you do if you found out you had given up a year of your life due to a big fat lie? What would you do if you found out you’ve been staying at home to protect an NHS that has been at an all time low capacity compared to the last five years? What would you do if you found out there haven’t actually been 100,000 deaths due to Covid-19 but instead a campaign of fear that has manipulated data to trick you into thinking there have been thousands of Covid deaths per day?’

404712 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 2, #280 of 2134 🔗

Did they actually write that?

404716 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #281 of 2134 🔗

Apologies, misread it as The Express

405328 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Cecil B, 2, #282 of 2134 🔗

ha ha

405330 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Cecil B, 1, #283 of 2134 🔗

ha .ha

404749 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #284 of 2134 🔗

I’d crawl under the bed and whimper ‘We’re all going to DIE!’

405271 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basileus, 1, #285 of 2134 🔗

that pretty much sums up my position. so far I’ve done nothing but alternate between inchoate rage, terror and sadness. What else can I do – apart from flee the country?

404709 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #286 of 2134 🔗

The sheer arrogance of Mikey Mike

She announced that the dictatorship would be taking over the airport hotels without even asking the hotel owners

Thankfully the hotel owners have told her to fuck off

404832 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Cecil B, 1, #287 of 2134 🔗

Oh please let it be true. I hate that woman (my MP) with a burning rage

404949 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 2, #288 of 2134 🔗

What other than the ones full up with illegal immigrants?

404713 isobar, 27, #289 of 2134 🔗

Littlejohn sticks the boot in to the fat big dictator. The vast majority of readers comments agree with him.
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Boris Johnson once boasted that his political hero was the mayor from Jaws. But just when you thought it was safe…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9238549/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Johnson-boasted-political-hero-mayor-Jaws.html

I rather like this comment (second best rated with 711 upticks)

I’m sorry but keeping us on lockdowns for a year is just too much. We will not accept any more of this nonsense.

404723 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 89, #290 of 2134 🔗

Luc and Kate’s Cafe will be opening at 8.30am

Get there and support them if you can

It’s important we face down these thugs

404724 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #291 of 2134 🔗

20,000 turning up will end the lockdown for us all

404728 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 33, #292 of 2134 🔗

I hope many turn up and support these people. I will be there in spirit!

404798 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 11, #293 of 2134 🔗

Yes me too the more support they get the better

404826 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cecil B, 8, #294 of 2134 🔗

Wishing I could be there in person – am certainly there in spirit.

404862 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cecil B, 4, #295 of 2134 🔗

Good for them. Wish I could be there.

404889 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #296 of 2134 🔗

Will be there in spirit. Good luck to them.

404894 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 12, #297 of 2134 🔗

I’d go if I lived that way. However I did email a complaint to the Manchester police authority instead.

404940 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 4, #298 of 2134 🔗

I wish someone would do the same within driving distance of me. Good luck to them – the bigger turn out the better – queue around the block

406355 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cecil B, #299 of 2134 🔗

where is it

404727 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 31, #300 of 2134 🔗

“…the airline will exempt passengers in those premium cabins from wearing a face mask when they recline their seat to a fully-flat position.”
Why?
Will they no I longer be breathing ?

404746 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 15, #301 of 2134 🔗

Gravity.The virus will fall on the couch with a thud.

404956 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 10, #302 of 2134 🔗

No they are fabulously wealthy they cannot catch the virus. Probably because they spend most of their life with their noses in the air.

404730 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #303 of 2134 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.05.21251067v1

Another new article explaining children’s protection for the Sars-Cov2,nasal mucosa(NM) strong local immunity incl. T cells. The important thing here that it is not antibody dependent immunity but the innate immune system with resident memory T cell.

Immune cell residency in the nasal mucosa and COVID-19 severity across the age range

“Rather, we find immune cell residency in NM decreases dramatically with age especially cells of the innate immune system. This includes a resident-memory-like T cell subset with antiviral properties. These observations give plausible biological explanation to the observed clinical differences in disease spectrum and provide a foundation for future experimental studies”

404750 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 4, #304 of 2134 🔗

Also:-

The maturity, binding ability and function of Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE2) receptors required by severe acute respiratory syndrome–coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) to enter the cells, is lower in children resulting in minimal lung injury.

American Journal of Perinatology

404733 Apache, replying to Apache, 13, #305 of 2134 🔗

If you were a government that wished to deal with the NHS in a similar way that Thatcher dealt with public bodies, now, is a great opportunity. After this is all finished and the public’s eyes are opened to the damage caused by this drive to ‘save the NHS’ they will not be too resistant to any ideas of reform.

404735 ▶▶ l835, replying to Apache, 5, #306 of 2134 🔗

Shame we don’t have such a government.

404742 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to l835, 20, #307 of 2134 🔗

Shame we don’t have such a public – most people are too brain washed to see that the NHS is not fit for purpose.

404737 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Apache, 7, #308 of 2134 🔗

After this, if there is an ‘after this’, I agree – the NHS is cooked.

404978 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Apache, 5, #309 of 2134 🔗

Nah! They will do nothing. They are not even brave enough to open schools and to tell teachers to get back to work. All they will do is create even more managers and consultants on a grand a day to look into how to be ready for a future pandemic. Even though this was already in place and they just dumped this advice at the first hint of an emergency.
Not one extra nurse will be employed, nobody will receive any additional training in ICU procedures, and no nurses will be called in as advisors. One intelligent business person could sort out the nhs in five minutes. Saving millions of pounds and making it an effective unit, but this will not happen.

404734 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 6, #310 of 2134 🔗

A friend of mine who isn’t sure what to believe but open to information and understanding was impressed by a video given by Dr Simone Gold of America’s Frontline Doctors. I’ve seen her videos and think they are excellent. She sent the link to a highly-educated relative who slammed her for trusting the info, saying that Gold took part in the recent pro-Trump White House riots. Anyone know if that’s true or is she being smeared?

404744 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Melangell, 19, #311 of 2134 🔗

Who fucking cares what she did? If her info is good, it is good. People are just so damn pathetic.

404752 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to jb12, -14, #312 of 2134 🔗

Totally unhelpful – thank you for caring, fuck you for sharing.

404765 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Melangell, 5, #313 of 2134 🔗

For the record, the ‘educated’ relative is pathetic. Sorry, if that was not clear.

As for being helpful, I’d disagree: the best aid you can provide anyone is to dispel their brain-training of worrying about whether someone once said or did something they or someone else didn’t like. That is the height of herd behaviour and is utterly pathetic.

404778 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to jb12, 1, #314 of 2134 🔗

You clearly don’t understand the power of propaganda, unlike the government who use it as their chief weapon – or hadn’t you noticed?

404797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Melangell, 1, #315 of 2134 🔗

Yeah, ‘the big boy made me do it’ excuse. The ‘power’ of propaganda is found in the herd behaviour I described. In my opinion, you’d be better convincing your friend it is better to be right than liked rather than having to assuage each of their fears as they arise; ‘give a man a fish and you can feed him for a day…’ and all that.

Anyway, take care. You have your (easily found on a search engine) answer, so I’ll leave it there.

404879 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Melangell, #316 of 2134 🔗

I don’t know why you have 7 down arrows. I think those people need to re read your comment.

405326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Bella Donna, #317 of 2134 🔗

I never see the number of votes for my comments unless I log on on another machine. It always shows 0. This is quite disturbing as well as puzzling. Thanks for your supportive comment.

404777 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to isobar, 1, #319 of 2134 🔗

Thank you very much, isobar!

404779 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Melangell, 18, #320 of 2134 🔗

The same media that telly you that ‘covid’ is a threat to human existence is the same media that says there were ‘pro-Trump riots’ is the same media that told you Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, is the same media that ……

You get the idea.

404868 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Melangell, 3, #321 of 2134 🔗

She’s a good person so I wouldn’t take notice of any attempt to smear her.

405320 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Bella Donna, #322 of 2134 🔗

Not me – my friend….

404885 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Melangell, 10, #323 of 2134 🔗

Hardly riots at the White House were they. For riots, see the $1B of property damage caused by BLM activists last summer. But yes, as I understand it, Simone Gold was arrested for being present at the White House that day. I’d have probably been arrested myself if I was American as I’d have certainly been there to protest at a coup in government. None of that detracts from her medical knowledge.

404895 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Melangell, 3, #324 of 2134 🔗

She was there but certainly didn’t do anything illegal

405315 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Melangell, 2, #325 of 2134 🔗

What’s this White House Riots business? The altercations took place at the Capitol and they were no riot. The people there were not all supporters of the President.

404745 Templeton, replying to Templeton, 6, #326 of 2134 🔗

From the BBC website about airport double tests:

“The government has not confirmed whether passengers will be expected to use the gold-standard and more expensive PCR tests or cheaper lateral flow devices.”

err…..

404747 ▶▶ l835, replying to Templeton, 22, #327 of 2134 🔗

The bbc thinks Zoe Ball is worth £1.3m. Shows how much they know about gold standards.

404985 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to l835, 1, #328 of 2134 🔗

And that the 13th doctor Who is the best ever!

405032 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #329 of 2134 🔗

Isn’t Doctor Karen out the door?

404878 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Templeton, 1, #330 of 2134 🔗

PCR has never been a gold standard – unless you mean gold-plated tungsten.

404751 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #331 of 2134 🔗

Matt Hancock said yesterday “we’re turning a corner”.

Past tense would probably have been more in order. Looking at mortality figured the corner was turned three weeks ago i.e before the lockdown could have had any effect.

404998 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #332 of 2134 🔗

He does not have a care in the world. The fat pig dictator looks to have aged 20 years, Handjob just keeps jogging along, full pay, knighthood coming soon, vaccine into all the old folk. The press offer no resistance, I don’t get asked hard questions. Lalalala life is good. Why stop now?

Don’t stop me now,
I’m having such a good time,
I’m having a ball,
Don’t stop me now
If you wanna have a good time
Just give me a call!!

404754 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 122, #333 of 2134 🔗

I’m not in a good mood today. From 3 weeks to flatten the curve to coming up to a year of the harshest attack on civil liberties this country has seen since Anglo-Saxon England abolished slavery.

I hate the people that have done this.

404820 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to steve_w, 18, #334 of 2134 🔗

First prize awarded to anyone that can find a way to transport the worst culprits into a locked soundproof room, deal with them as appropriate and then have a darn good alibi for being someplace else at the time. I’m sure lots of us would provide that alibi.

405002 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ElizaP, 13, #335 of 2134 🔗

Don’t suppose we could ship them to Australia, they think its great over there.

404970 ▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 7, #336 of 2134 🔗

We need to bring all those responsible to justice

405382 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #337 of 2134 🔗

I agree with this one. But still wondering how we are still getting duplicate names here.

406634 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Mark, #338 of 2134 🔗

Surely a flaw of the platform? It must be quite easy to require everyone to have a different user name.

405304 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to steve_w, 3, #339 of 2134 🔗

To be fair, the British people of the Channel Islands did experience something very similar more recently.

406639 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Crimson Avenger, #340 of 2134 🔗

Yes, if you count them as the same country. They’re not UK, not England, and are arguably England’s last French possession. Norman might be a fair description.

404756 Ken Garoo, 39, #341 of 2134 🔗

“New Plot Twists Mean Lockdown Could be Renewed for Another Season”
It is not a new plot twist. It is precisely why the 1984 Health Act loophole was used, and why every 3-4 weeks, some new ‘serious and imminent’ threat is amazingly and conveniently discovered. That is all it takes to make the current state permanent and legally unchallengeable (as per Simon Dolan case).

404757 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 22, #342 of 2134 🔗

This is a highly complex article. If we summarise, natural infection of C-19 gives the best immune response. Hardly very exciting but in this crazy world with promoting vaccine as giving better immunity(in order to force vaccine to even bigger segment of population) this article clearly shows the opposite. Natural infection gives a vastly better immune response over the whole genome. There are even “scientist” promoting the idea of vaccinating people having had C-19 because getting a better antibody level to spike protein. This is complete nonsense. Natural infection give the best immune response. That doesn’t mean we should promote corona parties in the elderly.

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(21)00015-X#%20

Comprehensive analysis of T cell immunodominance and immunoprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 epitopes in COVID-19 cases

“T cell responses recognize at least 30–40 epitopes in each donor
Immunodominance is correlated with HLA binding
Immunodominant regions for CD4 + T cells have minimal overlap with antibody epitopes
CD8 + T cell responses depend on the repertoire of HLA class I alleles”

404762 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to swedenborg, 22, #343 of 2134 🔗

Indiscriminate use of antibiotics has led to the evolution of bacteria resistant to multiple antibiotics. Indiscriminate use of antivirals will lead to the evolution of viruses resistant to multiple antiviral drugs.

The so-called ‘vaccines’ are not vaccines. They are drugs that reduce some symptoms in some people with slight to moderate cases of the disease.

The public has been wittingly and dangerously misled.

404764 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to swedenborg, 8, #344 of 2134 🔗

surely even people that work for pharma want to go out and spend the money they are making? what’s the point of making loads of money if you are in permanent lockdown?

404781 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 10, #345 of 2134 🔗

Natural infection gives a vastly better immune response over the whole genome.

So true

405008 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to swedenborg, 1, #346 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for this. I would fucking hate to play scrabble with you though!

405370 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Spikedee1, #347 of 2134 🔗

Don’t worry, most of that jargon wouldn’t be in the official Scrabble dictionary.

404772 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #348 of 2134 🔗

Get a new headline writer, LS… PLEASE!!!

404782 ▶▶ iane, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #349 of 2134 🔗

And a new editor.

404783 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #350 of 2134 🔗

This is awful. How could CDC publish this article now!. Just see graph below.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7006e2.htm?s_cid=mm7006e2_w

 Decline in COVID-19 Hospitalization Growth Rates Associated with Statewide Mask Mandates — 10 States, March–October 2020

404787 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 7, #351 of 2134 🔗

That’s pretty. When do they add in the states that didn’t have mask mandates for a real comparison?

404888 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #352 of 2134 🔗

Come on, you must surely know by now that in ‘the science’, they ‘fit the facts around the policy’.

404794 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 2, #353 of 2134 🔗

The CDC caused a lot of this mess so it’s not surprise they have doubled down on faith.

404808 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #354 of 2134 🔗

It’s just a game. Anyone citing that study needs to be removed from the scene.

Trish Greelaugh, I bet she is loving it. I’ll check her Twitter feed.

This guy picks apart that masks study

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241530

404861 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #355 of 2134 🔗

Checked her site and if course its, to her, confirmation of masks work.

Tell you what, her Twitter feed is mental. Wall to wall fear porn with mask advocacy. The thing now among her cult is N95 mask with a cloth mask over it.

There was one tweet from a scientist saying that she’d been infected despite having this combo of maskage. She was putting it down to a person ‘laughing and joking 6ft away in a recent meeting, without a mask’

Scary stuff.

404784 Cecil B, 39, #356 of 2134 🔗

The reverse spelling of Van Tam is Matnav

On my Matnav I typed in the destination of ‘Lockdown End SW1’

It respond by saying ‘You will never reach your destination’

It keeps repeating it. I can’t stop it, I’ve taken the batteries out and it still keeps repeating ‘You will never reach your destination’

I’ve now placed it in a bucket of water and it is still going

404790 l835, replying to l835, 27, #357 of 2134 🔗

Thought you could use some good news, so I’ve decided to offer SPECIAL PRICES to NHS staff, Teachers and anyone on furlough (don’t tell them but it’s +10% on my regular prices)

404795 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to l835, 7, #358 of 2134 🔗

Bravo! We must do more for our wonderful KeyFrontLineWorkerHeroes
DoingJobsTheyChoseAndGettingPaidForDoingThem . Especially those GettingPaidForDoingNothing .

404803 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 32, #359 of 2134 🔗

Someone last year actually had the brass-neck to ask us if we were offering discounts for NHS staff. When we’d stopped laughing, we said no.

404813 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 22, #360 of 2134 🔗

My favourite was the MP (£83,000 pa, + expenses + fiddle + lucrative side jobs) who, when faced with working on a Saturday for the first time ever, asked if they could have extra money for childcare…

404817 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #361 of 2134 🔗

Cheeky bastards. They still expect others to work on a Saturday though.

404859 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 14, #362 of 2134 🔗

The bloody cheek of them.

If I was a shop owner. I would have a sign saying “Discounts for supermarket workers, post men, bin men, delivery drivers, construction, plumbers, electricians.”

then:

“Normal price + 10% surcharge for NHS, MPs (bar a few honourable exceptions), journalists, civil servants, teachers & lockdown zealots living in nice areas)”

Imagine the pandemonium.

404905 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #363 of 2134 🔗

I can’t afford discounts for anyone.

404799 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to l835, 6, #364 of 2134 🔗

Please don’t forget our political leaders who have done an essential job through this, would +50% be fair?

404801 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paulus, 12, #365 of 2134 🔗

No, a flat-out life-time ban for them (with a few honourable exceptions).

404849 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to kh1485, 13, #366 of 2134 🔗

I would love to see all MPs (except the few who persistently vote against) and all members of SAGE banned from all hospitality venues for life.

404907 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 7, #367 of 2134 🔗

Me too. That would be great. Any small business that survives this should definitely refuse them service.

405445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to WasSteph, 1, #368 of 2134 🔗

If only but it’ll never happen

404805 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Paulus, 1, #369 of 2134 🔗

And had to suffer full pay throughout…

404843 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Paulus, #370 of 2134 🔗

Can’t – restraining order…!

404802 ▶▶ danny, replying to l835, 15, #371 of 2134 🔗

Hey! I’m a teacher (said under my breath).
How about we have to pass some kind of aptitude test to get normal prices. Negotiate a high street without a mask, be shown pics of NHS staff and resist compulsively clapping?

404842 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to danny, 2, #372 of 2134 🔗

Fair enough, your off the ‘list’!

404912 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to l835, 2, #373 of 2134 🔗

+20% for Plod surely?

404804 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 15, #374 of 2134 🔗

Very good article by Rosemary Frei over at Off-G that highlights the reality of the ‘viral strain’ narratives. Very insightful by someone qualified to speak on it. Technical but explained easily enough.

From a personal pov this is what I would like to be seeing more of. Independent analysis of the components that make up the narrative that should be getting wider tract. If this kind of thinking had permeated the wider msm this would never have gotten off the ground.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/

404854 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #375 of 2134 🔗

Thanks. Enjoyed that article

404806 DanClarke, 18, #376 of 2134 🔗

Hancock the spokesman for the reset, mentioned his admiration for Schwab in a speech he made in 2017 The virus is the control method. Looks like Hancock and his ilk will carry on until stopped by the people whose lives they are ruining

404809 swedenborg, 3, #377 of 2134 🔗

Two different views.Israel first tweet vaccine effective

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1358704587155398656

The other using same graphs (and compare previous lockdown) comes to opposite conclusion.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1358948310816612359

Who is right? Both?? Just publish one graph but actually you have to read both to compare.

404812 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 6, #378 of 2134 🔗

Another thing to throw into the discussion re the effect of the vax on people and I imagine a fair number of us have seen the deleted/we had to restore it short video of B*ll G*tes explaining in an official talk to a small group of Government people (was it CIA – can’t recall) re his idea that we have a God gene and the vax would remove this troublesome (in his opinion) thing from our bodies. Maybe/maybe not and the jury is out re that one imo. But it would be interesting to keep an eye on people that have had the vax and see if they change – ie keeping an eye not just on their physical health, but on the person themselves. There’s an interesting thread going at the moment on the F*cebook group “Covid-19 Vaccination Feedback (3.0)” started by someone called Gill Appleby to look out for. In that she comments how someone she knows has changed personality since the vax. They used to be pretty outgoing etc and have changed personality to the opposite since the vax. Cue for various other people saying they’ve noticed this happen too to some of those they know after having the vax. I shall be interested to see how much of this happens.

404845 ▶▶ Fruitbat, replying to ElizaP, 4, #379 of 2134 🔗

That wasn’t Bill Gates. James Corbett did an expose on this video several months ago:
https://youtu.be/DawyMdbRQSU

404853 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ElizaP, #380 of 2134 🔗

Changing personality? Now that is downright scary but its something these monsters are fully capable of doing.

404867 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #381 of 2134 🔗

Probably full of soy and other mind/gender bending chemicals
Expect a tsunami of Trannies when they finally jab the kids

405030 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to ElizaP, 3, #382 of 2134 🔗

Well, if you want to create a digitalized society with masks and distancing, it would be extremely useful if you could somehow make people less outgoing, making it easier for them to adapt.

404814 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 15, #383 of 2134 🔗

“Gates has been behind the scenes in Europe and trying to intimidate the politicians. The proposal is that NOBODY will ever be allowed to get on any public transportation again, air, water, or train, without a HEATH CERTIFICATE from this guy to force the world to take his vaccine…”

7th May 2020
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/bill-gates-his-vaccine-pressure-campaign-on-the-world-incompetence-of-politicians/

But that was just a conspiracy theory….

404829 ▶▶ John001, replying to LMS2, 6, #384 of 2134 🔗

Has Gates ever had a vaccine? He is rumoured not to have vaccinated his children.

404841 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John001, 3, #385 of 2134 🔗

I doubt they have been vaccinated.

404957 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #386 of 2134 🔗

of course not – his children are not mere livestock, but precious human beings

404872 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to LMS2, 4, #387 of 2134 🔗

And I wonder how many more of the financially crippled airlines he will buy up in the meantime at pence in the pound so he can enforce his wishes on the world.

404815 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 38, #388 of 2134 🔗

No apologies for reposting this, as I originally did at midnight.
peyrole
8 hours ago

MUST READ!!
Article in Off-Guardian today describing the absolute crock of shit that is the so-called science behind the ‘mutant strains’.
It describes the basis as 3/4 non-peer reviewed papers in mid-2020, with an unholy involvement of Ferguson and Zuckerberg. Besides some mice and petri-dishes the total number of humans involved in these mainly computer-generated ‘stories’ is SIX.
As the article says, if this stuff is being used its because they are desperate to find anything to keep the charade going for longer and with more and more restrictions.
As if we didn’t know before, its clear they are just making this up as they go along.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/

404827 ▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 10, #389 of 2134 🔗

Crock of shit? More like a steaming vat of shit – a must read!

404818 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 62, #390 of 2134 🔗

MIL had the pfizer jab on 1st Feb, morning. She is 75, no pills whatsoever for the last 15-20yrs. Feeling ill from 2nd Feb, chest and stomach pain. Called the ambulance on 4th Feb at night – they did general diagnostics, all OK, gave her paracetamol. Started feeling better, lower chest pain. Got worse last night,called again the ambulance. It took 2hrs in the waiting room before being taken to resus. Ran all kind of diagnostics for about 4-5hrs, including x-ray – all results are showing normal values, nothing worth further attention. Young doctor told us he is pretty sure is from the jab and he is advising friends and relatives not to take it. Also, he is saying that there are higher and higher numbers of old people coming in with problems after the jab. I know the jab-decision is a personal one but I am trying my best to advise people around me before making the decision.

404835 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheClone, 8, #391 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for that info. We have already declined our jabs.

404916 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #392 of 2134 🔗

We both said ‘No thank you’ this week.

404856 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheClone, 12, #393 of 2134 🔗

So here we have a doctor telling people to ignore government advice. Well his family and friends. Everyone else can take their chances. Why doesn’t he speak out?

There is no integrity in these people.

404875 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #394 of 2134 🔗

Thousands of people are speaking up but the government listen only to SAGE – is it not clear to you?
Thousands of people are on this site and many others all over the world and nobody cares about them.

404952 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TheClone, 11, #395 of 2134 🔗

it’s not an excuse to say that nobody will listen, that you’ll be shot down, you’ll sacrifice your career and reputation for nothing. it just isn’t. I’m not saying it’s easy, that it doesn’t take an enormous amount of courage, but anyone who finds themselves in that position, as some kind of cog in this atrocious machine, has to either step up to the mark and refuse their participation, or else consent to be recruited into this satanic atrocity – sometimes life is unbelievably difficult I’m afraid, sometimes we have to face these moments which make or break us

404942 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #396 of 2134 🔗

exactly. he is an accomplice to genocide

405538 ▶▶▶ paulm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #397 of 2134 🔗

If he speaks out he could be fired. That’s tyranny in action.

405689 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to paulm, 3, #398 of 2134 🔗

Of course, that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t speak out. However, if he keeps on doing what he is doing with his quiet warnings, then he is doing better than the average doctor who just couldn’t give a toss, or one who just keeps stum.

405677 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #399 of 2134 🔗

I know why he doesn’t speak out and so do the rest of us I suspect.

404925 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheClone, 4, #400 of 2134 🔗

Any person with an adverse reaction to the vaccines or drugs should report that on the Yellow Card Scheme

405016 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheClone, 7, #401 of 2134 🔗

My 84 yr old Aunty is STILL in hospital, she had a colonoscopy yesterday. Stomach pains, feeling sick, being sick. They don’t know what’s up with her yet. 3 weeks post jab…

405672 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to TheClone, #402 of 2134 🔗

Worrying tale and not that untypical it seems.

Of course, the decision to be proceed to vaccination for Covid is personal, at least for the moment, but that doesn’t make it any the less stupid.

404823 cubby, replying to cubby, 19, #403 of 2134 🔗

Since this website seems to be becoming less sceptical as time passes it might be time for us all to consider alternatives. The elephant in the room is forced vaccination, whether by government diktat or psy-ops. It’s not being covered in LS for obvious reasons. People need to know where to get information about vaccines to help determine for themselves if there is a problem and then how best to combat it if they so decide. The following website will supply some of the information required to make an informed decision. Maybe someone else can help with a possible destination for those who are prepared to continue the real discussion?
https://worlddoctorsalliance.com

404833 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to cubby, 6, #404 of 2134 🔗

I think you will find most on this site are anti Covid vax.

404847 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to cubby, 6, #405 of 2134 🔗

Richie Allen recently updated his website. Forum on there.

Today’s update is poor. Even saying that sceptics said Sweden wouldn’t get a ascend wave? Did we? Wasn’t it Henegen who said opening up in summer would lead to an endemic circulation, seasonal resurgence at manageable levels? Ivor Cummins has video presentations to that effect.

And the legal piece. So this guy is shocked by the totalitarianism evident around him and he thinksnthe solution is a “right based approach” to resolving it? Isn’t it a bit late for that softness.

404893 ▶▶ stewart, replying to cubby, 8, #406 of 2134 🔗

As far as I’m concerned, BtL is more informative and interesting than AtL and they can do what the hell they like AtL as long as this bit down here stays interesting.

404913 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to cubby, 7, #407 of 2134 🔗

In fact I am getting more real news from Twitter (with care) and the brilliant UK Column.

404834 alw, replying to alw, 16, #408 of 2134 🔗

Brilliant from Conservative Woman, so many stand out paragraphs.

”For the CCP, weakening American and therefore Western influence is a logical objective in itself given their geopolitical ambitions. The problem is that this aim is shared inside the United States by the globalist coalition which controls the Democratic Party and its clients.
For them, lockdowns facilitated the destruction of a booming Trump economy which had produced the first downward transfer of wealth in America in this century, and sent it back towards their oligarch backers. At the same time, it allowed the Democrats to institute a new voting system, which they used to install Biden in the White House…

Conspiratorial power exists in every society, and in a healthy society represents the spirit of enterprise. But as civilisations decline it becomes corrupt and rapacious. The power elite and their retinues are dominated by individuals without any integrity or even personality, who have acquired positions through flattery and collusion rather than merit or virtue. Incapable of leadership, they surrender to delusions and greed…

Abuse of power always involves abuse of language. Since March 2020 discourse in the UK has been dominated by mixed metaphors and leaden cliches, and propaganda slogans designed by government behavioural psychologists to terrorise the population”

Just a taster but do read.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/wreckage-upon-wreckage-lie-upon-lie/

404904 ▶▶ TJN, replying to alw, 17, #409 of 2134 🔗

For me, the standout is:

In the House of Commons sit six hundred individuals who have no business being there, and a similar number in the Lords. This same story extends to journalism, which is overcrowded with careerist apparatchiks, not to mention the police force, education and the law.

This gets right into the guts of the problems we face.

404836 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #410 of 2134 🔗

Can’t believe we’re nearly a year into this shit show.

I’m currently filling out my appraisal form for work which seems to be pretty useless given that I didn’t really fulfill any of my objectives bar one.

I also have to rate myself against several criteria and the bit about “Teamwork” made me laugh. How can I be honest and say that half the time I either want to shoot or hack to death several of my colleagues for having exposed themselves as not very nice people and lacking empathy during this crisis?

I’ve been feeling like this and when we were open I did think that carrying a machete or AK-47 with me was something I wanted because I was getting fed up with many of my colleagues. As is the zombies on public transport and the supermarket.

Discuss.

404871 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #411 of 2134 🔗

You’re reaction is perfectly human. There are not many of us left, sadly. I hope to see a resurgence but optimism is dwindling.

404910 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WasSteph, 2, #412 of 2134 🔗

The problem with my colleagues is so long as we’re getting paid and the knowledge that mummy & daddy will be there to catch them when they fall they’re OK. Even the threat of redundancy never woke them up at all.

I wonder what will happen when my workplace can no longer afford to keep paying us ad/or mummy & daddy are made redundant or bankrupt.

404874 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #413 of 2134 🔗

Errr!

Umm,

Hmm

Well………….never mind!

405404 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, #414 of 2134 🔗

I was tempted to write that but manage to come up with some waffle that’s believable.

404837 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #415 of 2134 🔗

Is the ‘virus’ just the enabler for the Great Reset and is Hancock’s face getting more smug every day?

404929 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, 10, #416 of 2134 🔗

don’t worry, he’ll be smiling on the other side of his face when he realises that his masters have not one scrap of loyalty to him after all, and no matter what assurances may have been given to him in the end he and his loved ones will perish along with the rest of us

405346 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #417 of 2134 🔗

This. These dupes thing that the Elite will reward them for their services. I think they will find the reward will be lead rather than (30 pieces of) silver.

404838 epythymy, replying to epythymy, 25, #418 of 2134 🔗

You know one thing that has been playing on my mind regarding the ONS survey results about +80% of people agreeing with lockdown and, if anything, wanting it to be harder and longer?

If that’s the case… why does it need to be enforced by law? Surely if the overwhelmingly majority of people felt unsafe and wanted to be locked up, they’d choose to stay at home. They wouldn’t flock to the shops as soon as they open. There’d be no places absolutely ram packed with people. Sure 20% of the population is sizeable but surely they don’t all live in the same place, go out at the exact same time. Etc. Surely those polls only show that society should be open because so few people would be outside of their home anyway. It’s not as though it’s 80:20 in favour of lockdown. A significant percentage of the 20% are supposedly “don’t knows”

404851 ▶▶ l835, replying to epythymy, 15, #419 of 2134 🔗

And if compliance is so high, why all the publicity and threats about “rule breakers”?

405034 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to epythymy, 2, #420 of 2134 🔗

Don’t believe it.

404839 captainbeefheart, 11, #421 of 2134 🔗

It’s not really a “plot twist” for lockdown to be extended, it’s all part of the same story.

A plot twist would look something like this…

“Matt Hancock had a change of heart after accidentally taking a heroic dose of DMT. This made him realise what a total tosspot he has been and how he has helped to destroy the lives of tens of millions of people.

The guilt that he felt was an emotion he never experienced before.

Unfortunately, this guilt was too much for him and he jumped in front of a train.

Our thoughts are with his family”

404846 NickR, 7, #423 of 2134 🔗

Below are the Euromomo charts for over 65s.
What’s remarkable is how, when we’re supposed to be in a worldwide pandemic that specifically targets the over 65s how few countries are actually seeing excess mortality.
Portugal has had a dramatic increase, England (but not Scotland, Wales or NI, or Ireland).
If you thought we had porous borders what about any mainland European Country?
How come Slovenia didn’t export it’s autumn surge.
To believe the variances are down to the harshness, extent or observance of lockdown is nonsense.
But how do these countries get their populations to go along with this?

404848 Smelly Melly, 4, #424 of 2134 🔗

Things will be back to normal when there is a vaccine for the Martian variant.

404852 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #425 of 2134 🔗

“The act of heating homes contributes to global warming which we are constantly told is a crisis so deep that it threatens our very existence.”

The Stoic position quoted is fine, but it needs a rather more sophisticated example than the one given.

The parallels between the coronapanic and the climate panic are profound. The problem is not heating our homes and consequent release of CO2, but rather it is letting manipulative people whip up panic in order to distill power from fear.

404864 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 1, #426 of 2134 🔗

A problem easily solved ‘nuclear’ energy, be warm or glow out your bum. Reminds me of a poem

I wish I was a glow worm

Glow worms are never glum

How can a glow worm ever be glum

When the lights shines out them bums.

its the woke revision to reflect gender.

404860 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #427 of 2134 🔗

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics, referenced above, is brilliant.

Game, set and match to Lockdown Sceptics

Now we just have to make it tell at the ballot box, and it will, in time, across the globe…..

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

404870 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #428 of 2134 🔗

Yes, I sent this article to some ‘not so sceptical’ acquaintances of mine and they were totally gob smacked by the analysis. Mad as hell as to how they had been mislead.

404903 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to isobar, 3, #429 of 2134 🔗

Just done the same.

404866 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 40, #430 of 2134 🔗

Just listened to the latest ‘London Calling’ with Toby Young and James Delingpole. The gulf is getting wider and I was rather astounded to hear Toby say he still regards a fanatical lockdown zealot like Tom Harwood to be ‘broadly on his side’ politically. Thats a bit like a soldier on the beach at Dunkirk thinking of those German soldiers firing at their boats as being ‘broadly on the same side’ as they might want to jointly oppose an alien invasion. Toby seems to regard disagreements on lockdown as the equivalent to disagreeing on eg grammar schools. It is simply not comparable as we are talking about the future of a civilised life here. Thats why I am willing to make alliances with anyone from ANY political persuasion against this shit show and am quite prepared to regard as an enemy anyone who supports it that I would have formerly agreed with about many things.

By contrast Peter Hitchens immediately ceased contact and association with Melanie Phillips once he heard very early on that she was a lockdown zealot. Toby ought to learn some lessons from that.

404896 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 16, #431 of 2134 🔗

Thats why I am willing to make alliances with anyone from ANY political persuasion against this shit show and am quite prepared to regard as an enemy anyone who supports it that I would have formerly agreed with about many things.

Never forget. Never forgive.

These are people who have implicitly approved of other people being beaten or threatened with physical force for just going about their ordinary lives, running businesses, sitting on outdoor seats,meeting friends and family.

How can there be a compromise that doesn’t first involve them stopping doing what they are doing?

404908 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #432 of 2134 🔗

yes, the battle lines have been re-drawn, and make no mistake about it, this is a WAR. As you say, if you are in effect claiming, ‘just because somebody is a murderous despot shouldn’t mean you can’t still have a civilised conversation with them’ is to fundamentally misunderstand the situation

404937 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #433 of 2134 🔗

It was a riveting podcast because you can sense some growing tension between Toby and James.

Clearly deciding when to draw a line and say “no more” is a very hard thing.

In the 1930s, the majority view was that Germany needed to be appeased and it was only when Germany really went too far that Britain and France reluctantly said “enough”. And even after Dunkirk there were plenty who felt a deal with Germany was the best way to go.

If by whatever accident of history Churchill hadn’t been there, at the right place at the right time, how sure can we be that we wouldn’t have given in and sought a deal?

What the anti-lockdown side is lacking is a strong charismatic leader with the balls and the capability to stand up to the lockdown freaks. Trump could have been that guy, but they took him down.

405031 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to stewart, 6, #434 of 2134 🔗

That’s why he was taken down.

405035 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bugle, 5, #435 of 2134 🔗

Exactly

404997 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #436 of 2134 🔗

Toby says he enjoys debating with Christopher Snowdon about lockdown but Snowdon doesn’t concede unlike scientist on C4 news last night who didn’t believe seasonality had any affect on covid but now believes it does. If your going to debate you should at least try to seek enlightenment and to do that you must be willing to concede.
If your going to throw the same arguments at each other nothing will be learnt division will be created and mistakes made. Every disaster in history as occurred because people have been unwilling to examine what they doing with a critical eye. This is how science works you put forward a theory to explain some phenomena then other scientists try to destroy your theory. If your theory is still standing it’s accepted as fact. I believe Toby and Snowdon are politically similar but the disaster lockdown is creating is not some debating subject you can nicely agree or disagree on. So for that reason I believe Toby should stop debating with Snowdon as it serves no one and in fact why I believe many scientists aren’t speaking out against lockdown.

405379 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #437 of 2134 🔗

Its fine debating topics that are important but not life threatening. But lockdowns are making people feel in total despair and many more are going to be driven to suicide if this continues. I am sorry but this is not a topic for a civilised debate anymore.

I am currently reading a book called ‘No way out’ written by a victim of the muslim rape gangs in Telford who raped and even murdered young girls in my home town. The author describes how 15 men used to sit around and chat about who was going to rape her first (they always all did) in full earshot of her.

I wonder if she would have thought these bastards were appropriate to have a friendly chat with? I feel not dis-similarly about lockdown zealots.

406251 ▶▶ pingram, replying to Boris Bullshit, #438 of 2134 🔗

Yes this battle trumps everything

404869 stewart, replying to stewart, 53, #439 of 2134 🔗

WTF.

The Guy de la Bedoyere article is giant pile of turd.

There is no more moral equivalence between lockdown advocates and sceptics any more than there was between the Pol Pot regime and the educated people of Cambodia in the 1970s.

Finding a middle ground. can be reasonable sometimes, but certainly not always. When one side is clearly abusing another, you do no one any service by seeking out a sensible middle ground except the abuser.

Is the right way to deal with parents that beat their children mercilessly to negotiate a solution whereby they do it a less?

Lockdown advocates are locking us up in our homes, destroying businesses, dehumanising us with face masks, coercing us into rushed, untested medical treatments and now pushing for zero-covid insanity which would have us confined within our country indefinitely.

For what? Because of our death rate has “regressed” to 2008 levels?

These people are a coalition of psychopaths and imbeciles. Screw them.

404906 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 20, #440 of 2134 🔗

I agree. we don’t have to justify ourselves. lockdown is novel, doesn’t work and is against human rights. its not something to find middle ground over

404921 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to stewart, 12, #441 of 2134 🔗

Well said. The other side has no moral, lawful, or scientific argument. There is no common ground! He’s not even arguing “forgive the sinner, hate the sin” but appeasement of the sin itself!

405102 ▶▶ Jo, replying to stewart, 3, #442 of 2134 🔗

I think the middle ground could have been the GBD.
But no.

405151 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Jo, 7, #443 of 2134 🔗

Correct. But you can’t compromise with people who don’t want to compromise.
The lockdown people have made that clear time and again.
They’re not even compromising, they are doubling down with zero-covid now.

406458 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to stewart, #444 of 2134 🔗

Good on ya M8. He gets on here cos he has a fancy public school faux French name,nothing else.

404873 cloud6, replying to cloud6, #445 of 2134 🔗

Dr Henry Garrison of the University of London’s Department of Virology has identified a new mutant variant of Covid-19 in the South West. This variant is very worrying as nobody knows who has it. The potential for daily infections and deaths are likely to number in the thousands.

Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) said the Government would do anything to stop the spread of this killer variant and is monitoring the situation daily. The South West variant of Covid-19 is a virtual unknown say scientists.

404884 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to cloud6, 5, #446 of 2134 🔗

that’ll be the wurzel mutant virus!!

404886 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to cloud6, #447 of 2134 🔗

Anything!!!

404898 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to cloud6, 8, #448 of 2134 🔗

yes, well they were going to need something, weren’t they, to account to the brainwashed morons for the massive spike in deaths which will follow the continued roll-out of the vaccine as surely as night follows day. They are already well primed to accept ‘covid’ as the sole explanation for any death, anywhere, anyhow. they will be rushing forward, sleeves eagerly rolled up, for more of the lethal injections intended to bring the global population down to medieval levels

404927 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to cloud6, 1, #449 of 2134 🔗

Potential. Very useful word.

404939 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to cloud6, 2, #450 of 2134 🔗

If you’re going to be constantly scared of mutations then lockdown must continue for ever.

404876 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 7, #451 of 2134 🔗

What happens when the government realises that everything that they have tried doesn’t work?

404880 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to pvenkman, 22, #452 of 2134 🔗

I think it’s working out very well for them. the more interesting question is what happens when they realise selling their souls to satan wasn’t actually a very good idea

404935 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JaneHarry, 10, #453 of 2134 🔗

Agree, Jane. It’s when everyone else realises that what they have done hasn’t ‘worked’ that the chickens come home to roost.

404900 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to pvenkman, 1, #454 of 2134 🔗

do everything harder

404914 ▶▶ stewart, replying to pvenkman, 3, #455 of 2134 🔗

You’re seeing it.

405183 ▶▶ cubby, replying to pvenkman, #456 of 2134 🔗

What if it IS working? What’s their end game?

404887 panda232, replying to panda232, 48, #457 of 2134 🔗

Morning all.

I was upset to read Van Tam’s comments about summer holidays at the press conference held with Hancock yesterday.

I have to be honest that the thought of our family trip to the south of France in June is one of the few things keeping us going through this nonsense.

Just as some context as to why it’s so important for me, my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer before the lockdown in March last year. Fortunately she got in and had an operation before the covid farce started and is recovering well. Later in the year, my Dad then needed major stomach surgery (which the NHS did their very best to mess up, it was luck that he survived more than anything) which he has recovered from. To cap off a truly fantastic 2020, my brother in law – a previously high flying civil servant – then tried to kill himself repeatedly and needed to be sectioned. He later admitted that he couldn’t cope with lockdown and the ‘new normal’ and felt that he needed to end it all.

I know that, as a family, we won’t have many more opportunities to have a holiday together. This isn’t just any old summer holiday, its a family tradition. This really matters to us. The thought that these pathetic clowns can dictate to us that it is now ILLEGAL for us to go on holiday is upsetting enough, but it’s the apparent lack of concern about this from the masked zombies infesting our country that really shocks me.

I’m probably typing this out of anxiety than anything else, but do you think we’ll be able to get out of this pathetic country this summer? The narrative is all over the place from the government, but the latest comments seem to suggest that they are seeding the idea that they will just ban people from leaving.

This isn’t life. This is just existing.

404897 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to panda232, 13, #458 of 2134 🔗

honestly i wouldn’t count on getting abroad this summer – all the indications are not looking too good. I would book a nice cottage in uk which is more than likely to be okay, otherwise the gov really will have a revolution on their hands if uk holidays are banned by june.

404899 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to panda232, 25, #459 of 2134 🔗

everything will change in Spring – virus will be gone and it will be hard for them not to open up to some extent (although the fanatics will be shrieking about the fourth wave). But unless they are stopped it will be lockdown next winter and quarantine when coming back etc ‘because of the mutants’

404919 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, 13, #460 of 2134 🔗

I reckon a couple more ‘strains’, then complete new virus. Back to square one, The Emperor’s New Virus.

404993 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #461 of 2134 🔗

I’ve said it before, the chinese are already working on Covid 21, due for release later this year. It will be like one of Bill Gates windows upgrades, full of features you really don’t want, and which you really can’t remove!

404920 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to steve_w, 8, #462 of 2134 🔗

Exactly. The number of cases and deaths respiratory viruses are tracking the usual seasonal figures.

405120 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #463 of 2134 🔗

I would have said the same at one time.

Now? The manipulation of the narrative has been so blatant and cynical, and the general response so compliant, that I’m not so sure.

Yesterday someone posted the timetable of the early days of the shit-show. It was a salutary reminder of the shifting sand. Add in events since then, and the achievement of repression and a pushing back of the end-point is mind-boggling.

405193 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to steve_w, #464 of 2134 🔗

Didn’t you post this last March?

404911 ▶▶ stewart, replying to panda232, 4, #465 of 2134 🔗

Well, you clearly haven’t done a very good job of shrinking your life to those activities that can be mediated by a computer screen.

Clearly you have some work to do to catch up with the rest of the pliant population most of whom seem to be well ahead of you in adapting to the new human existence.

Unless you are wealthy enough to fly private, in which case you can still have more old fashioned human exsitence.

404923 ▶▶ Janette, replying to panda232, 13, #466 of 2134 🔗

I know exactly how you feel and am so sorry to hear about your brother. I am so dismayed at hearing lots of similar stories like this. I do feel that they are sowing the seed for continuous lockdowns but we must stay strong and fight on. Best wishes to you and your family Panda 232

404931 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to panda232, 7, #467 of 2134 🔗

Feel for you panda. So many of us are desperate to know when we can do something that is important to us. For me it’s being able to earn a proper living again and to be able to hug my mum and dad (yes, everyone, I know that I could do that, but I would prefer that they were willing participants!). Could you plan for that holiday and look forward to it, but maybe make peace with the idea that it might not happen in June, or perhaps it won’t be south of France?

I think June is very optimistic. But we just don’t know and they have no intention of telling us. I can only suggest that you take every opportunity to enjoy the company of your family (sod the rules). Holidays are great, but it’s the company that makes them.

404966 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to panda232, 7, #468 of 2134 🔗

I have not seen any reports but I thought that something was happening at Manchester Airport in the night.
We live about 5 miles west of the Airport but fortunately not under the flight paths except when the planes are stacked up in summer holiday rush . So normally we do not hear anything from that site . But last night /early morning there was a constant rumble as if of planes coming and going . Admittedly it was a very frosty morning , slight east wind blowing our way , but usually we only hear such traffic at major holiday times. easter or summer.
I had hoped that it was the armed forces coup against this discredited and incompetent Govt and taking charge of strategic sites such as airports , but alas no.
Probably it was the rich elite and the celebrities of Wilmslow and Alderley Edge jetting off to skiing resorts at the dead of night to avoid inquisitive journalists (not that there are many or indeed any of such nowadays).

404994 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to panda232, 5, #469 of 2134 🔗

I’m with you all the way on this, but I’m expecting the authorities will do everything in their power to avoid being seen to actually ban you from travelling. Instead, they will just leave you in no doubt that you do so at your own risk, and that if they subsequently impose something like expensive mandatory hotel quarantine, it will be at our expense because they’ll claim that we were warned. (I received a email flier about boating holidays in France yesterday, where the boat operators insisted that they’d be understanding if Covid meant that travel was prohibited or the boatyards had to be closed. What they didn’t address was the cost of ferries, hotels etc., the fact that travel insurance policies won’t cover you for Covid-related risks, or the difficulty rescheduling time away from work. In short, there’s no way that any rational traveler could book a holiday under the current circumstances.)

405201 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Sceptical Steve, 1, #470 of 2134 🔗

Aren’t you rather presuming the French will let us in?

405013 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to panda232, 3, #471 of 2134 🔗

I’ve got tickets for Le Mans in June, so I’m hoping for the same thing, but I’m afraid that hope is looking more forlorn by the day,

405112 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to panda232, 2, #472 of 2134 🔗

Know how you feel. Mr Bart & were supposed to be on holiday now – watching the Ring cycle at the Festival Hall and visiting places such as Westminster Abbey & the Churchill War rooms as well as a day trip to do some bird watching.

Unfortunately we can’t do any of that and we’re not even sure about holidays this year. That said even without this insanity, going abroad was out of the question for me and Mr Bart.

405285 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to panda232, 5, #473 of 2134 🔗

I’m really sorry to hear you have been through so much. I hope your brother in law is managing better now. The trouble is at the moment that so many people are struggling that it is hard to voice how deperate you are feeling, this is my opinion anyway. I have had lots of good moans on here to release some tension, but where my friends and family are concerned, they don’t know the half of it.

I, like you, for a while held onto the hope of a holiday abroad this year. I don’t like to sound like a doom monger, but I think we have more chance of going to the moon that that actually happening. I am totally onboard with your final statement, we are just existing. I have no motivation to do anything and feel that my mental health is at an all time low.

The masked zombies are deserving of contempt now. Some people on here are still quite kind about them, due to the constant propoganda coming our way, they feel it isn’t their fault for being brain washed. If they can’t use a bit more critical thinking at this stage of the game then I can’t feel anything other than loathing, they are also collaborators in my opinion.

406276 ▶▶ pingram, replying to panda232, 2, #474 of 2134 🔗

You are not alone. They don’t want people to go to other countries and see how different it can be. I can’t believe the majority of the population support this. Dr Malcolm Kendrick said that change happens ‘one conversation at a time’. Keep having those conversations….

404891 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 18, #475 of 2134 🔗

For perspective.

If the Nazi’s had won the war we would NOT have had our liberties removed and restricted anywhere near what we are suffering today.

Anybody who thinks this is still about a virus needs to give their head a wobble.

This is fascism.

Word to bear in mind: DEPOPULATION.

It’s on the WEF website. It’s an innocent sounding word. In this context it means that 6 billion people need to die. This is year 2 of their 10 year plan.

The Final Solution was a tiny, tiny, warm up for what is coming…

Our homes are our gas chambers.

404932 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Arnie, 2, #476 of 2134 🔗

Capitalism won and see where that got us …

405021 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to norwegian, 4, #477 of 2134 🔗

Nothing at all to do with capitalism. Totalitarianism has raised its head everywhere – and just take a peak at where China has gone since Mao, regardless of the level of communistic leaders.

404963 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Arnie, 5, #478 of 2134 🔗

Nice to see u back Arnie.

405054 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #479 of 2134 🔗

Thank you Jo, it’s nice to be missed! We’ve had a rubbish time of it so I’ve not had much time to even look at the website. I’m back now. I hope you and yours are ok & weathering the storm.
Arnie.

405015 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Arnie, 3, #480 of 2134 🔗

This is going to sound extreme, but how would Aktion T4 have looked any different to an outside observer compared with care home deaths, delayed treatments and ‘vaccines’ with unknown long term effects? Bill Gates’ views on depopulation are already on record and there is already plenty of evidence of induced sterility and vaccine harms in Africa and India.

405060 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Arnie, 6, #481 of 2134 🔗

I find the comparison with the Germans under Hitler a poor one. He waged a war against globalisation and against the jews. What we’re living through is ultra-aggressive globalisation and a full-blown assault on the whole population of our country where only the rich elite are spared.

If you want a better comparison, look at Holodomor.

405109 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to J4mes, 2, #482 of 2134 🔗

I find the comparison with the Germans under Hitler a poor one”

I agree that one should be careful with parallels. But it’s a useful one in two aspects – the degree of domestic repression in a police state and (particularly) the manipulation of a whole population by central propaganda.

405161 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 9, #483 of 2134 🔗

We have propaganda. We have censorship. Free speech is under threat. Freedom of association has been banned. We are not allowed to protest. We have an emerging police state, prepared to respond with violence. We have no redress in court. Our institutions have failed us, in particular the police, parliament and the Supreme Court. Our civil liberties are in jeopardy. Education has been withdrawn. We have limited freedom of movement. We have been deprived of family life – a human right. We have been subjected to degrading treatment for no scientific reason: social distancing and facemasking. The government, under cover of immunity from prosecution, is engaged in a national medical experiment.

Call it what you will: fascism, Nazism, authoritarianism. What difference does it make?

405839 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bugle, #484 of 2134 🔗

It makes no difference…it is out and out tyranny as far as I am concerned…almost everything I once did is now banned. I would stop at nothing to destroy these people.

405309 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Arnie, #485 of 2134 🔗

Glad to see you back, was getting concerned…

Speaking of which, anyone heard of how “Rosie” is doing lately?

404902 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 14, #486 of 2134 🔗

‘We must not let [x] ruin all our good work. We have come so far, and we’re so close now.’

The charter of unending lockdown.

404950 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ovis, 11, #487 of 2134 🔗

What is this good work they speak of. I just see a trail of destruction?

405048 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #488 of 2134 🔗

I’ll say, and Godzilla is still swinging its tail taking buildings with it.

406064 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ovis, #489 of 2134 🔗

The most catastrophic example of the sunk cost fallacy in living memory.

404917 Mark, replying to Mark, 30, #490 of 2134 🔗

The claim that we should seek common ground and compromise with lockdown advocates is fundamentally flawed.

If the government had remained on the path of reason, and declined to implement coercive measures, then there would be debates between people advocating greater or lesser measures to supposedly reduce covid prevalence. Some arguing for more masks, distancing, etc, some for less.

In that situation it would be correct to argue for compromise and attempts to find common ground, so long as the measures remained voluntary, and persuasion rather than brute force was used.

As soon as legal compulsion, with its implicit threat of brute force to coerce, was introduced, the idea of compromise became utterly inappropriate.

First return our liberty. Then try to persuade us , and you can perhaps expect a reasonable response and a willingness to compromise.

404930 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Mark, 14, #491 of 2134 🔗

“The claim that we should seek common ground and compromise with lockdown advocates is fundamentally flawed.”

Amen!

405046 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to norwegian, 3, #492 of 2134 🔗

I agree it would be like the UK agreeing to peace with Hitler this is what Churchills advisors were telling him to do and what Hitler expected. But Churchill understood the evil of the Nazis and so fought on. Lockdown is evil,in the long term it won’t save lives it will destroy society economically and socially and on top of all that it will cause the virus to mutate.

404938 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 12, #493 of 2134 🔗

Totally agree, the moment any of this shit was made mandatory under law, all willingness to compliance was destroyed. It was the most divisive political misstep in modern history.

It may well cost the Tories severely. Amazing after they came back from the dead over brexit. Its like they have a suicide pact.

404943 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #494 of 2134 🔗

My main concern with that is that the beneficiaries of any price rightly paid by the “Conservatives” will be the far worse anti-liberty Labour lockdowners.

We need new parties.

404969 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 4, #495 of 2134 🔗

We do, neither labour or conservative are worthy of giving them power, of course libdems are obsolete & the SNP dangerous. There has to be something new to vote for.

404986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #496 of 2134 🔗

As I’ve noted before, Reclaim and Heritage are the two I’ve seen with a clear antilockdown stance. I’ll happily vote for either of them.

Eventually, perhaps a party of the left will step up to the antilockdown plate, as well.

405293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #497 of 2134 🔗

Nooo the left are either incompetent or dangerous, the simple fact is socialism = authoritarianism, theres to much regulation as is, any leftist in power will make things worse.

My head tells me the battle for freedom is lost, my heart tells me to never give up the fight.

406289 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ pingram, replying to Anti_socialist, #498 of 2134 🔗

So what do we have at the moment? The last time I looked it was a conservative government implementing the most authoritarian measures in living memory. And wasting public money at obscene levels. Boris the libertarian.

405091 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #499 of 2134 🔗

Absolutely, I thought that Reform UK would have stepped up to the plate more although Tice did bat for us in the Cambridge debate and penned an open letter to hand on cock about PCR. Farage has made some noises, but mainly on why our borders were not closed earlier rather than criticise lockdowns. Maybe they will get a bit more active in the run up to the local elections, assuming of course they go ahead.

404958 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mark, 21, #500 of 2134 🔗

I have yet to hear a lockdown zealot admit that their lockdown ideas are a bit over the top and maybe they should relax things a bit to accommodate those who don’t believe in them.

Know why? Because they don’t feel they have to. They are clearly winning right now.

Toby, listen to Delingpole and stop acting like a f**king loser.

404990 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to stewart, 3, #501 of 2134 🔗

Email Toby and tell him.
I don’t know how much more evidence he needs.

405012 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to LMS2, 2, #502 of 2134 🔗

Until he’s been told unequivocally that he’s never ever getting a peerage or a knighthood, Toby will continue to cuck, because that’s the most important thing to him.

405844 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to AidanR, #503 of 2134 🔗

How sad and pathetic is that. What kind of person would want an honour from this utterly corrupt and despicable establishment?

405971 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Boris Bullshit, -1, #504 of 2134 🔗

Someone whose wife is expecting it.

He practically admitted this on the London Calling podcast the other week.

He talked about how his wife has never taken his name, but said she would if he (and by extension, she) got a peerage.

It’s almost as if she married him on the understanding that he’d get one, because his father did.

404992 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stewart, #505 of 2134 🔗

Indeed, why would they compromise anyway, until their complete control is at least threatened?

404964 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mark, 8, #506 of 2134 🔗

Yes I agree it’s flawed.

It’s not like arguing for a pay rise where there is no right or wrong and it is just a negotiation.

I fundamentally disagree with lockdown zealots on most things. But that’s because I’ve looked at the evidence and my evaluation is they are wrong on most things. Perhaps they have evaluated it differently.

Now of course we should listen to lockdown zealots and try to engage with them and listen to what they have to say, and retain an open mind, but that doesn’t mean we have to compromise and accept some of their views if we still think they are fundamentally wrong and where they appear to us to have no supporting evidence to change our minds.

Typically lockdown zealots don’t want to engage with lockdown skeptics (contrast the O’Brien vs Heneghan positions) whereas a good number of lockdown sceptics would welcome the opportunity to engage but are not given the chance to do so.

404989 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #507 of 2134 🔗

The sceptics can point to data-backed evidence, the zealots point to emotional blackmail.

405023 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #508 of 2134 🔗

Yes – it’s like closing some gas chambers as a ‘compromise’.

405043 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 3, #509 of 2134 🔗

Himmler: Ok, ok, we’ll just gas people on Tuesdays and Thursdays, fair?

405010 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 6, #510 of 2134 🔗

A compromise is a defeat you’re expected to smile about.

405038 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 5, #511 of 2134 🔗

Indeed.

But the real world is full of compromises – that’s how people can live together at all. It’s just that you have to understand the difference between a compromise between free adults agreeing to disagree, but to find a way to live together, and a “compromise” that is really a surrender to superior force.

What Bedoyere is proposing would be the latter.

405137 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 2, #512 of 2134 🔗

Sadly in this case, we have some of both.

Many of our maskoid peers in the ‘free adult’ world are implacable and entranced by the powers that be.

If those are the people we’re expected to compromise with, I’m afraid I’ll be leaving them disappointed.

404922 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #513 of 2134 🔗

Could some kind person give me the link to donate to the cafe owners appeal, can’t blood well find it..

404934 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 3, #515 of 2134 🔗

Thank you my friend much appreciated.

404960 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #516 of 2134 🔗

Wouldn’t it be great if Tim Martin or Simon Dolan chipped in with a substantial anonymous donation. Not to take away anything from our contributions, of course! Sometimes a bit of practical assistance is worth a lot of sympathy.

404995 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #517 of 2134 🔗

Just donated
Cheers for the link

404924 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #518 of 2134 🔗

After the wikileaks collateral murder expose in the guardian, & a visit from the deep state, the paper went progressively woke & worthless as a place for investigative journalism, it’s as if they were taken over as by & administrated as a deep state shill.

I’m getting that Déjà vu feeling about LS, I thought it was just me but I’ve seen similar views repeated here in the comments section, today. I thought the old man worship debacle, was a horrifying misjudgement, just a one off mistake, but i’m starting to wonder if Toby Young has either lost his passion in opposition to lock down or been got at by the establishment.
Shame.

404968 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #519 of 2134 🔗

I’ve said it many times before, and pointed to references that detail the root of the Guardian’s decline from the independent newspaper it once was.

It isn’t an unexpected departure. It has blatantly become a channel for key establishment narratives, and ceased its independent role. The surrounding stuff is just flim-flam that targets a specific audience with the continued myth that it is ‘liberal’.

P.S. One ironic indicator is that, although the previous editor (Alan Rusbridger) is on record via a ‘Dispatches’ documentary recounting being leaned on by the Israel Lobby, this bit of ‘investigative journalism’ was never mentioned in the paper during the whole of the ‘antisemitism’ scam.

405065 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #520 of 2134 🔗

Got at

404928 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 35, #521 of 2134 🔗

Looking over my partner’s shoulder the other day, I noticed her NHS mental health department, CHUV, are struggling to get their staff to volunteer for vaccination.

The department has approx. 7,500 professionals across the country – only 1,500 had been vaccinated. This despite a constant barrage of pro-vaccine propaganda filtering down through the management. They’re even using work time to run ‘vaccine workshops’ for questions and answers about the vaccine.

But it’s clear that as long as it’s not compulsory, barely anyone will have the vaccine.

404954 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to J4mes, 20, #522 of 2134 🔗

Apparently an Iranian cleric has claimed the vaccine makes you ‘gay’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9239805/Iranian-cleric-says-Covid-19-vaccine-turns-people-gay.html?ito=push-notification&ci=75657&si=25332643
Rather bizarre but when it comes to disrupting the vaccine narrative, ‘every little helps!

404962 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #523 of 2134 🔗

Probably full of SSRIs
They have been trying to put Lithium and flouride in the water for years

404976 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #524 of 2134 🔗

That’s serious shit; homosexuality in Iran is punishable by execution!

405005 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 1, #525 of 2134 🔗

..but on the other hand I’m pretty sure it still makes you eligible to be a Clinton foundation donor..

405088 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #526 of 2134 🔗

There are white working-class housing estates in nearby Barnsley where such propaganda would have traction!

406128 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, #527 of 2134 🔗

probably does make you gay. nothing would surprise me any more

404988 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to J4mes, 5, #528 of 2134 🔗

If enough people won’t have it, making it compulsory will be impossible.

404936 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 15, #529 of 2134 🔗

I don’t know if it’s just me, but Adam Wagner’s Unherd article reads as decidedly pro-lockdown, even though it’s been used above as a call against them. It’s yet another example of fudging around with what lockdown should look like, rather than just simply sticking with the fact that this should never have been done, or be able to be done, under the laws of the land.

It did send a shiver up my spine however, that MH had the power to do this with one signature and no oversight. Does that mean he’s on the hook for it all as well? Silver linings and all that. Perhaps that‘s why he’s so intent on saving us. Every. Last. One of us. Oops, sorry. Got that wrong. Just the ones with the plague. You can die of everything else, including the biological substance that we have mixed up in chemistry class to save you from it.

I have no confidence of this ending, like most people here. But I do think that if you ban holidays to the Costa del Blotto, at the first sign of a sunny day in good ole Blighty the beaches will be packed once more and the mirage of compliance will be shown for what it is. At least until next winter anyway.

405228 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Fear is Finite, #530 of 2134 🔗

Adam Wagner speaks to the law as distinct from anyone’s guidelines and/or policies.

404948 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #531 of 2134 🔗

So – once again we have a forelock-touching daily edition, using stories from the MSM, if somewhat questioning.

Some may feel I’m being unfairly hyper-critical. But consider if, instead of the current lead article regarding ninja variant virus strains, there had been a recounting of the detailed critical research analysis on the subject to be found in OffGuardian only yesterday :

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/

… but no … instead, we have space devoted to recounting the official narrative of this very flimsy Scary Fairy story – which again partly tracks back to an involvement of the ubiquitous Ferguson nexus who, like the living dead still involved in the dysfunctional NERVTAG.

Only two stories down to we get to something meaty – the analysis from Conservative Woman of government spending on advertising and the related media servility.

Get a grip!

405006 ▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 7, #532 of 2134 🔗

It’s a sorry state of affairs, but I don’t even bother reading ABL any more if I see some writer’s names.

404951 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 31, #533 of 2134 🔗

“The Telegraph has more”

Oh, OK, great, I’ll go and subscribe to it, then, instead of wasting my time here.

Why does LS not “have more” about the people actually opposing the lockdown, taking risks, challenging the state and the status quo? Why is LS now little more than a quavering granny at a bus stop, clucking, “you’ll never guess what that nice Mr Hancock has said now…”?

404974 ▶▶ davews, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 7, #534 of 2134 🔗

It may well be that they have to support the vaccine policy to keep the site live, but surely giving publicity to the side effects and death from vaccine statistics should be very much on topic. I don’t recall a single mention of side effects in the ATL part, all the time my personal stories on this side are increasing by the day.

404977 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 9, #535 of 2134 🔗

I wonder about the lack of publicity for those fighting the good fight. I think that one possibility is that drawing attention to them publicly here might amplify the negative attention of the authorities and turn out to be counter-productive. People are fighting in their own way but they don’t necessarily want to be martyred to the cause if they can avoid it. They are part of the resistance, which usually means staying under the radar to some extent if that resistance is not to be picked off and destroyed. Just a thought.

405018 ▶▶ stewart, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 27, #536 of 2134 🔗

Because Toby is trying to convince people by being reasonable and meeting them somewhere half way. It’s not working. Here is what it looks like:

Toby: The virus isn’t really that dangerous, lockdowns are morally wrong, they do more harm than good.

Lockdowners: People are dying!!!!!!!!

Toby: Ok, let’s say the virus is dangerous, but lockdowns are morally wrong and they do more harm than good.

Lockdowners: Nope. So you think your precious rights are more important than lives?

Toby: Ok, ok, take it easy. Forget the morally wrong bit. You can at least admit that the lockdowns cause more harm than good, surely?

Lockdowners: No. Btw, we have a vaccine and it’s brilliant. Everyone should have one.

Toby: OK, I’ll admit your vaccine is wonderful if you’ll admit that lockdowns do more harm than good.

Lockdowners: No they don’t. Are you anti-vax? Sounds like you are anti-vax and we have to cancel you?

Toby: No, no, relax, the vaccine is wonderful. Can you throw me a bone and at least admit the possibility that lockdowns cause more harm than good.

Lockdowners: Nope.

Toby: Oh.. ok. Well, let’s meet halfway and accept that lockdowns need to end at some point.

Lockdowners: We’ll see about that.

And so on.

405028 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stewart, 7, #537 of 2134 🔗

LOL! Good description.

It’s kind of a microcosm of how conservatives have lost to radicalism through the long C20th.

405129 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 4, #538 of 2134 🔗

When someone says people are dying I often respond “well you seem to be have been fine with almost twice as many people dying in one month in 2018 as did in 4 months this year. Don’t remember having a lockdown then?”

And you could go on with other examples. The only reason they “care” is because they believe the fantasy and the fear. Espirit du corps in effect

405062 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #539 of 2134 🔗

I now visit this site rather than the DT because BTL life is far better here, the 77th Brigade, while certainly present, is less blatantly-obtrusive, and discussion isn’t hobbled by ludicrous transatlantic language-censorship algorithms. I only read an article ATL on here these days if a poster draws attention to the fact that it might be worth reading. Most unfortunate.

404953 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 93, #540 of 2134 🔗

An excellent comment from ZH;-
“The level of psychological manipulation being employed by the Govt in the UK is astonishing.
It’s been a relentless campaign of manipulation using every lever imaginable.
Statistics have been mangled beyond comprehension and awkward truths concealed.
No Govt official has faced a single challenging question in the media in TWELVE MONTHS !
Covid, has been the ONLY story in the news for over a year. Covid news headlines, covid updates, covid bulletins on the hour, local covid updates with meaningless statistics given with no context, local covid numbers reports “covid up from 268 to 323 near you. Down from 417 to 168 five miles down the road etc etc. Fear covid ! FEAR COVID, fear long covid, fear covid in you brain fear covid in your balls, fear MUTANT COVID!, fear UK covid, it’s highly contagious, fear Brazilian covid, it’s not just covid it’s FOREIGN COVID, fear South African covid, it’s resistant to vaccines and more dangerous !
Are you scared yet? Are you really really scared ? Well have some more FEAR .
You may never travel again, unless you take the vaccine.
You will be under house arrest forever, unless you take the vaccine
You will not be allowed to work, unless you take the vaccine.
You won’t be entitled to benefits unless you take the vaccine
Those selfish idiots who won’t take the vaccine are endangering you all.
It’s their fault, because of them we will take your cat’s away, they harbour covid.
Cancer patients are dying because of THEM.
THEY ARE KILLING YOUR GRANNY.
Yet still, about 30% of people will NOT take the vaccine and about 45% now recognise they are being lied too.
Duping Doris, that lizard faced Gove and the rest of that corrupt cabal in the cabinet office might think they’re on top of this.
They’re not.
THE TRUTH WILL OUT.
and when it does, seep through those cracks, it will become a flood”.

404955 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to nickbowes, 18, #541 of 2134 🔗

Really good comment – thanks!

404975 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 26, #542 of 2134 🔗

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/bill-gates-his-vaccine-pressure-campaign-on-the-world-incompetence-of-politicians/

“Gates has been behind the scenes in Europe and trying to intimidate the politicians. The proposal is that NOBODY will ever be allowed to get on any public transportation again, air, water, or train, without a HEATH CERTIFICATE from this guy to force the world to take his vaccine in which he can easily slip his ID2020 and nobody would be the wiser.”
7th May 2020

Not sure about the ID2020 bit, but the rest is spot on.

Hancock and company are following a pre-determined script, that’s why there’s so much fear mongering from the government, with the media doing its bidding.

That’s why i said last year, they’re never going to let us out.
They could, but they won’t.

405267 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to nickbowes, 14, #543 of 2134 🔗

‘No Govt official has faced a single challenging question in the media in TWELVE MONTHS !’.

Because the media have been bought off. The government is the biggest advertiser of every newspaper, commercial TV and radio stations. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

406442 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to flyingjohn, 2, #544 of 2134 🔗

The media have disgraced themselves throughout all this. I will never buy a newspaper again, they all deserve to go bust.

404967 Julian, replying to Julian, 15, #545 of 2134 🔗

Today’s lead story: “New plot twist…” No, not a plot twist, new government lies.

404979 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Julian, 9, #546 of 2134 🔗

The fact that they use the word “plot” indicates that it’s a story, therefore FAKE!

404982 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to this is my username, 3, #547 of 2134 🔗

I thought that was exactly what was being implied!

404980 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Julian, 5, #548 of 2134 🔗

Plot twist is apt, as it’s all fiction.

405063 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #549 of 2134 🔗

I see what you mean – I just feel it’s too neutral a term and somewhat flippant

405220 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Julian, #550 of 2134 🔗

If you are shown that it is all fiction, does this allow freeing the mind to seek and find truth?
Or does the mind insist that the lie must be eradicated, fought, or subjected to vengeance?

What I mean is can we release the trap of lies to take a fresh view or are we compelled to hate them and use them as a basis to make hate real – by stamping on the face of the hated?

Regardless what the Banker’s stakeholders are doing, do they compel me to frame my life in reaction to lies?
Setting a mind against lies is not the same as yielding the mind to felt and loved truth.

The virus CAN be read as only about our mind.
Narratives are mind-creations that cast our conflict – as if to escape it.
But stories CAN serve waking from such futility to address our problems truly – which is in life and not in a mind set over and apart from life.
Addiction to narrative is compulsive thinking by which to maintain it.
The role of narrative distortion in leveraging minds is the masking over of fear – protected from awareness, true addressing, and healing or undoing.
Seek to be a true witness rather than merely throw stones or accusations at the false.

Once we saw they were lying – why are their lies given so much energy and attention?
Surely that must be because we are invested IN the lies.

This post continues as #3 on
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/willingness-to-feel-and-find-living-way.html

404972 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 17, #551 of 2134 🔗

Numbers are falling yet the government doesn’t want to give up its power.

405033 ▶▶ Binra, replying to pvenkman, 2, #552 of 2134 🔗

It has all the power that it Private Partnership gives it, in exchange for Public predation.

Numbers are mostly bollox.
Why join in their switch of test ‘cases’ for clinical conditions.
Why join in clinical conditions framed in panic and mistreated?
Why join in fear and control narrative that shouts “I am propaganda!” month after month after month?

Numbness is calling but do you want to give it power?

404981 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 30, #553 of 2134 🔗

Beautiful snowy day in Edinburgh. Leaving the office I witnessed an elderly lady slip sliding along like Bambi with her shopping bags, bobble hat, scarf and boots wearing a visor!!

Now, i’m not going to blame her as I’m sure she is under the spell of MSM, she will be better off strapping a visor to each boot and skating to the shops.

I’m going to blame the MSM maggots and people like the pricks on today’s front page – handcock and Jean Claude Van tam scaring people half to death. Any chance we can either stop showing their picture or pixilate their face.

P.s. has handcock put on weight?? must be all the fine food and fine wine he is consuming, doesn’t look too stressed does he!!

Oh well, it was good to see the goons standing outside the testing centre freezing their tits off. Every silver lining has a cloud.

404996 ▶▶ Janette, replying to stefarm, 5, #554 of 2134 🔗

Your comments made me laugh. Thanks Stefarm

405009 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Janette, 4, #555 of 2134 🔗

Glad to help….gotta try to laugh

405003 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 9, #556 of 2134 🔗

Bahaha!!!

Saw loads of saddos in my area muzzled up outdoors and the useless bit of cloth or paper getting wet and sticking onto their faces!

I mean, why?

405024 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to stefarm, 9, #557 of 2134 🔗

Stefarm there is no snow, you bloody conspiracy theorist and climate change denier.

405076 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Andrew K, 2, #558 of 2134 🔗

😄

404991 James Leary #KBF, 21, #559 of 2134 🔗

Dear Dr (Death) – thank you for your offer of a vaccination. Since I’ve had little or incomplete information on the constituents and side-effects of the vaccine, I’m unable to make an informed choice. By law, that automatically means I must decline your offer. With thanks ….

404999 RickH, replying to RickH, 26, #560 of 2134 🔗

Guy de la Bédoyère, who has in the past written some excellent pieces seems to be another victim of knee-knocking :

We have had three lockdowns, but they haven’t stopped a chronically high death rate.

Sorry – but the death rate of 2020, although higher than most of the last (very low) decade, remained overall well within the normal range of the past 25 years.

Concede the language and you concede the argument

405007 ▶▶ iane, replying to RickH, 9, #561 of 2134 🔗

Quite, the skittles are falling one by one. Have they been got at, I wonder – and which was it, stick or carrot [or both]?

405011 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 15, #562 of 2134 🔗

Indeed. I like to point out that for every year of the first three decades of my life, the death rate in this country was higher than it was in 2020.

Calling it a “high death rate” is just silly as far as I’m concerned. An abuse of language that plays into the hands of the panickers.

405029 ▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 3, #563 of 2134 🔗

We are in a war of attrition. Except the other side is gigantic, so no guesses about who gets crushed…

406703 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stewart, #564 of 2134 🔗

Tut tut, Stewie – it’s spirit, not weight, that wins.

405055 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 4, #565 of 2134 🔗

Specificity of language is absolutely necessary and the one thing we will always trump the other side on. Their deliberately obtuse use of language is one of the clear indicators of why they can’t be trusted.

405001 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #566 of 2134 🔗

More from the Daily Expose:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/08/official-data-on-adverse-reactions-to-vaccines/

The UK Government have released a report highlighting adverse reactions to both the Pfizer and Oxford / Astrazeneca that have occurred since the rollout began on the 8th December and it does not make for pleasant reading.

405017 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 4, #567 of 2134 🔗

And lockdown zealots rejoice. The vaccines are safe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1359056898901889024

405037 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #568 of 2134 🔗

Safe definition, not exposed to the threat of loss or injury’.

405045 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #569 of 2134 🔗

re. ‘67000 in patients Pfizer &AZ Trials’ – yeah, half of which were given a placebo, and none of which have had a full 24 month observation period for delayed onset ADE, as with the Sanofi Dengue vaccine.

405049 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #570 of 2134 🔗

Covid has an average age at death of 82, a survival rate of over 99.9% and exhibits no symptoms for the mast majority that contract the virus.

Covid is SAFE.

405052 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #571 of 2134 🔗

Greenalgh- another public-health apparatchik with boilerplate attitudes. OBE, therefore according to McClatchey’s Law a middling-grade Establishment arse-kisser.

405158 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #572 of 2134 🔗

She’s very high up the list.

405066 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #573 of 2134 🔗

This fucking woman in her fucking evil little blue FN. Bitch.

405027 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Basileus, 6, #574 of 2134 🔗

I wonder how these figures are being collected. Do they include care homes , in Basingstoke 22 died in one care home which is claimed to be nothing to do with having the jab.

405004 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #575 of 2134 🔗

London Calling Should Old Acquaintance Be Forgot? Listen to Toby Young literally defend lockdowns. I think he’s crossed to the other side!

405863 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Anti_socialist, #576 of 2134 🔗

That may well be true…I think James is in despair.

405019 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 6, #577 of 2134 🔗

Extract from The Telegraph article:-

The results of a new study in South Africa show that the jab offers virtually no protection against mild to moderate illness, meaning it is likely to allow the virus to spread.”

Can anyone explain how the first assertion by definition leads to the second?

405026 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Achilles, 5, #578 of 2134 🔗

Good stuff. Let the virus spread I say.

History suggests that mutations get weaker and weaker.

405078 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 3, #579 of 2134 🔗

Correct mutations lose functionality. Genomic software cannot and does not add functionality.

405142 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 2, #580 of 2134 🔗

Isn’t that, btw, the logical flaw to the whole Darwinian theory of evolution?
Natural selection can’t explain the creation of new more complex species, right?

405403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stewart, #581 of 2134 🔗

Nope. Natural selection and survival of the fittest is survival of the fittest for any given environment. The mutation may not be “better”, just “better” for that environment.

405042 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Achilles, 2, #582 of 2134 🔗

Since it doesn’t suppress symptoms, there’d be more symptomatic people/people with higher viral load walking around able to spread it, I assume. (They’re implicitly admitting here that asymptotic people are less likely to spread the virus.)

405073 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to SallyM, #583 of 2134 🔗

Funnily enough I see it as the opposite. People with symptoms are far more likely to stay at home (even the sceptics) thus reducing the spread. The implication here is actually that the biggest spread is in hospitals although I actually think it was a throw away assumption because they have in their mind by default that vaccines stop the spread.

405020 Binra, 1, #584 of 2134 🔗

The mind-trap of a polarised identity operates as conflict that filters, rules out and distorts communication. It weaponises the form of communication as a masking defence.

The cultivation of dissociative denial serves a divide and rule mindset, because such a mind depends on darkness and conflict to operate as a narrative over. It cannot abide light or peace of wholeness, and must hate the life it takes for its self alone,

But true and false are not determined by self judgement of good and evil or right and wrong.Truth does not participate in a war of illusions that battle only with themselves.

But illusions of truth and mask and signal of virtue, make up a masking world of dissociation from truth as IF the right and power to tell it what it is and sacrifice to the god it made, so as to give it all the reality it has.

Fear is framed as if at the hand of circumstance or of others, such as to seem to happen to you, without your consent. Defence is then invoked and enacted in like kind, overriding the right of others deemed unworthy, hateful, treacherous and so denied, excluded, and cast out as the violation by defences that quickly become pre-emptive attack as ‘denying’ them before its denies you.

The fearful can be suspicious, and in a moment this can become vicious as the attempt to deny or protect the fear from awareness by the aggressive assertion of conditions as demands of compliance to distancing, lockdown of communication and masking over as ‘identity’ set or seeking social reinforcement.

The article that called for considering both or all sides of an argument is still framed in ‘argument’. There is a basis to recognise the fear and hurt beneath the masking in hate and anger set as control, but it is not an intellectual consideration of equal rights set in further protecting conflict from being truly addressed – in our own hearts.

The right to claim grievance and offence as the source of identity invoking claim to right and power in vengeance, rises from a set of demands and conditions that others and world fail to deliver. And shall always fail to deliver. We generally are unaware of such expectations until they are not met, and have masking armour to cope with a world deemed loveless because it fails to support the source of our identity.

But this is not love, but an image of self and world that we set in as denied, lost, abandoned, rejected, or betrayed – and so driven to seek to regain or cling to in the world of the mind that set this up. The set of mind as focus of thought and desire, energy and attention, in self imaged, is a lock down, distancing and narrative masking conflict seeking resolution externally. Where not only can it not be found, but where entanglement in false ‘solutions’ further dissociates and alienates a mind from its own true relational being, in a ‘mask’ that wont come off, which has substituted for the living in hollow parody of life rendered joyless, isolated, and driven.

The other half of this post is at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/willingness-to-feel-and-find-living-way.html

405025 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 33, #585 of 2134 🔗

I tried to convince my parents to wait a while before having the jab on the grounds that it is experimental gene therapy and the long term trials have not even finished yet, but they just would not listen. (Didn’t they also skip animal trials? I heard that previous attempts at mRNA “vaccines” made animals rather ill – is this true?)

They genuinely believe that if they have these jabs, then everything will go back to normal.

Anyone with a functioning brain can see that we’ve gone way too far for anything like “normal” to happen again. Even if there was no masks, no social distancing and no restrictions on who you can see, “normal” has gone because the economic damage is going to destroy many people’s lives.

In the world we live in now, the government can just destroy all of our freedoms every time someone sneezes and most people will go along with it.

I didn’t want them to have the jab, but it was their choice. There was nothing I could have said to make them reconsider. Hopefully, they won’t pressure me to have it when I’m offered, but I suspect I’ll be the one who is “holding society back” and it is the fault of people like me if we’re still in lockdown a year from now.

I just hope there are no unknown consequences (like a severe reaction to a naturally occurring strain of coronavirus), but there is no way of telling.

They’ve missed their granddaughter’s first Christmas – they will soon be missing out on celebrating my mother’s 70th and my daughters first birthday. My sister said she’d like to come to the party, but is not allowed (my BIL is a police volunteer)

They all think we’ll be back to normal soon and we can “make up for it” in a few months.

One word: deluded.

405044 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to captainbeefheart, 16, #586 of 2134 🔗

My family cannot get it round their head that something sinister is at play. There was talk amongst them in December of holidays/ marriages in 2021. I said then ‘it won’t happen’ and was derided for it as being soo negative. Blind optimism has got us nowhere.

405058 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to JHUNTZ, 12, #587 of 2134 🔗

Yes, when you try and tell people the reality of the situation from your point of view, it will be your fault for being negative – even if you show them the evidence from the horse’s mouth (“the jabs don’t actually make you immune to anything” / “you can still spread it”)

It’s less mentally painful to believe the lie than to come to terms with the idea that you are being lied to – especially when you’ve spent the last 11 months watching BBC news every waking hour.

405077 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to captainbeefheart, 19, #588 of 2134 🔗

I was laughed at (alt right wing etc etc) when last March I said the LDs would last 1 year or more. Ha ha ‘just flatten some fatty curves…’

Laughed at again when the morons made us wear diapers in the summer (no flu then stupid) and that this would last more than 1 year (and it will).

Laughed at again when I said the fake vaxx would be mandatory (certainly trending that way).

Laughed at when I said the army will get involved (they have been in L’pool and elsewhere and on high alert standby apparently).

Laughed at again when I said in the Fall 2021 the arselings will impose another LD (they will, already messaging that).

Laughed at last March when I said the only future job in this country might be with the Covid KGB….given the limitless police/state brutality and economic destruction that may still come true.

None of this fraud, coercion, fascism is funny.

405160 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to FerdIII, 3, #589 of 2134 🔗

Absolutely agree. It should not be funny.

405123 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #590 of 2134 🔗

It is bizarre I was derided again last week for my negativity and reading into conspiracies. My retort was “I am just reading what the politicians/ scientists are saying and it’s not positive”.

405082 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #591 of 2134 🔗

I’m just back from the dentists, having a hygienist appointment. They can’t use the ultrasonic cleaning at the moment. I commented that I bet you can’t wait to start using it again (which sounded more like huh mhm mmhimhmm un, but she understood) and she said yes can’t wait. She also said that it was declared unsafe because there was basically a certainty that it would spread the virus, and I can’t really fault that argument.

However, later, I’ve been thinking. I can’t see how we can ever get to a situation in the near future where everything is deemed safe enough to start using it again. I think everyone at the moment is so reassured in the expectation of virus->vaccine->victory->normal. I can’t quite believe that we will get back to not giving viruses any consideration. We’re heading down a path of hygiene and safety that I’m not sure there is a clear way back from.

405164 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to muzzle, 8, #592 of 2134 🔗

That’s why i’ve started flossing for the first time in my life. We are getting to the level of healthcare where there isn’t any to rely on.

405358 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #593 of 2134 🔗

Only floss the teeth you want to keep, JH! My fee for this consultation is forty guineas.

405166 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to muzzle, #594 of 2134 🔗

yes it was such fun having my teeth scraped manually
Didn’t do the job either

405354 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to muzzle, 1, #595 of 2134 🔗

That’s odd. So far as I’m aware, dentists have been cleared to use aerosol-generating procedures (AGPs) in conjunction with appropriate precautions.
Trouble is, the Chief Dental Officer, who is no friend of the dental profession, has advised that advice from her office and from the DoH might or might not be able to be relied upon in the event of legal action, or, far more threateningly, disciplinary action by the General Dental Council, being taken. So, in the worst scenario, patient comes for an ultrasonic S&P, positive PCR test a week later, pound signs appear in patient’s eyes, health professional faces GDC disciplinary action which can drag out for up to two years and end with suspension from practice and stories in the local press: DoH guidelines might cut ice with the GDC or they might not.
I thank the Lord on a daily basis that I’m out of the shitshow. As I’ve said before, the profession seems resigned to the idea that many practices- small to medium businesses, in other words – won’t survive. Which would fit in with what many see as part of the larger agenda.

405039 GrannySlayer, 23, #596 of 2134 🔗

Fuck you Van Tamiflu

405041 WasSteph, 14, #597 of 2134 🔗

Luc and Kate’s fundraising page now at £12774. Please donate if you can. We need more people like them.

https://gofund.me/96c73d50

405047 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #598 of 2134 🔗

A commenter below raised the possibility of personality change, following the jab, citing an example of someone who had become less outgoing after receiving it.

Does anyone here know of anything similar?

405050 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rockoman, 5, #599 of 2134 🔗

Well it doesn’t seem to make them any brighter….

405070 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #600 of 2134 🔗

Obviouly many thngs can affect a person’s mood.

405061 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to rockoman, 10, #601 of 2134 🔗

How can anyone be any less outgoing than being under house arrest?

405081 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to rockoman, 6, #602 of 2134 🔗

Probably just overwhelmed by despair when they finally realised they didn’t suddenly get their life back.

405138 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 5, #603 of 2134 🔗

Just what we need
an army of mongoloids following the army of retards

405229 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to rockoman, #604 of 2134 🔗

If thats right and I had the jab, my wife would probably say how could I possibly be less outgoing. My answer would be, well at least I do actually think.

405423 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to rockoman, 1, #605 of 2134 🔗

stepford wives!

405920 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to rockoman, #606 of 2134 🔗

Yes. There’s a Dr Judy video that said that some Americans have experienced a “fluoride” lassitude effect from the vaccine and she said it was by design. The link was on here a few days ago.

405051 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 32, #607 of 2134 🔗

Mrs J and I have an occasional discussion about when all this is going to end. Let’s say she’s rather more optimistic than me.

Her current view is that the normies have been sold the line that the vaccine is the way out of this. The most quaking and quivering people she knows (the bleach the fruit, pull the kids out of nursery in case they get infected types) are all desperate for the jab, like kids waiting for a new Playstation on Christmas Day. Once the magic elixir has entered them they will feel safe again and will want their lives back and will be baffled and disgruntled when this doesn’t happen. This, along with the warm spring weather and the general lockdown fatigue, will lead to a groundswell of dissatisfaction with the measures, and either an irresistible demand that they be lifted or simply a widespread disregard that will cause them to blow away like a paper tiger.

My response is that if we’ve learned anything it’s that if the government told people to put their heads in the toilet bowl while crossing the fingers of their left hand and humming Happy Birthday they would do it unquestioningly. The government has already made the argument for why the vaccine isn’t going to free us: variants, natch. The normies are now being told that they have to have the vaccine to keep them safe, but that the vaccine doesn’t actually keep them safe: they have to take the vaccine and then stay indoors, hiding from the variants, until the next vaccine is ready. And rinse and repeat. It’s some catch, that Catch-22. But they seem to be swallowing it.

Mrs J thinks I’m exaggerating the government’s deviousness and underestimating the extent to which people really do want their lives back. There will be a breaking point and it’s approaching. I concede that they may have to give us back some, ahem, “freedoms” over the summer – let’s say, June to August – but it will be a sort of watered-down, small beer freedom: no mixing of households indoors, rule of six outdoors, masks in shops; none of those horrors will go. And in September the inevitable discovery of the virulent Ashby de la Zouch variant will cause Boris, with a heavy heart, to plunge us back into full-on Alcatraz mode again.

Now I’m aware I’m preaching to the converted here, but does anyone want to venture a guess as to how this actually plays out over the coming months?

405093 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #608 of 2134 🔗

If you accept this was a lab leak, what are we doing taking the vaccine for it from the same people?

https://youtu.be/s43MJgdYUBg

405909 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -1, #609 of 2134 🔗

Because the elites never release a killing agent without knowing the cure for it beforehand. That’s why ( but only if literally forced to do so ) I might, one day, have the Sinopharm vaccine; because it’s made ny the same people who made the virus itself.

But only as a very, very last-ditch measure. And someone’s going to have their face rearranged.

405097 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Johnsontown, 13, #610 of 2134 🔗

I think you’ve got it pretty much bang on. A constant ebb and flow of totalitarian tide with each trough of restrictions sinking deeper than the last and each peak of our freedoms cresting lower than the last. All behind a smokescreen of fear fabricated from endless variants. Of course, there will be another jab for that. Anyone who can’t see this is not paying proper attention.

405144 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #611 of 2134 🔗

If we have a warm March everybody will be out and about. It will be a year. The tide might suddenly turn against Hancock and his Sage doomsters.

405175 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #612 of 2134 🔗

I think you are correct sadly. The vast majority of people will unquestioningly do whatever the government tells them. It makes me wonder why my grandparents generation bothered fighting Hitler as it turns out that most people do not want to live in a free society. In fact as far most people seem to be concerned the fewer freedoms they have and the more brutally the state treats them the better!

405424 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #613 of 2134 🔗

You have hit the nail on the head. And there are people who have been predicting this since day 1 of lockdown and what did we get in return from fellow family members, colleagues and friends? “Fucking Covid deniers, conspiracy theorist”…

“They” have a roadmap. And we are being ushered down that roadmap in frightening speed. Your description is bang on, you may want to add the grim reality of NHS hospitals being overwhelmed next winter too due to people with vaccine complications (ADE / sicker than expected) and this being offloaded to a new variant, hence “another winter in lockdown to save the NHS and save lives”.

406104 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #614 of 2134 🔗

this is just the beginning, we ain’t seen nothing yet. They will keep tightening the screws until a critical point is reached when they will just let rip and then we really will see hell on earth – mass murder, genocide, torture, the gulag: the full works. sorry I can’t be more optimistic, I wish I could be

405053 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 10, #615 of 2134 🔗

If the government truly wants out of this hole it’s going to have to build more hospitals and quick possibly reopen old hospitals that have been shut but not demolished. No vaccine or treatment for covid is going to help treat the massive backlog of non covid people waiting for treatment that are now in worse condition that they would be in normal times. The health service must adapt to its new normal so our normal can return.

405071 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to pvenkman, 17, #616 of 2134 🔗

NHS needs to be privatised in part, totally reformed. It is a socialised kleptocracy. £140 bn in funding. 2 beds per 1000. Belarus has 12. NHS actively hires climate change clowns and diversity dipwads. Maybe machines, beds, nurses might be more important. No competition leads ever thus.

405086 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to FerdIII, 4, #617 of 2134 🔗

I think we now know that the state can’t provide adequate healthcare at acceptable levels

405210 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to pvenkman, 3, #618 of 2134 🔗

Not quite. Correction :

“Successive right-wing governments haven’t provided … etc.”

405435 ▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to pvenkman, 2, #619 of 2134 🔗

I think the thing is.. they don’t want to.

405135 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 6, #620 of 2134 🔗

The NHS would be fine if the population was still 50 million
It appears the Pig Dictator and footpenis are working on it

405165 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to FerdIII, 4, #621 of 2134 🔗

It is private in part because most GPs are independent contractors. That should continue otherwise Malcolm Kendrick, David Unwin etc would be totally silenced and unable to continue their work.

I don’t want salaried GPs because they are less able to take an independent view (hospital doctors who speak out are dismissed).

405314 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John001, 3, #622 of 2134 🔗

Not only dismissed; their whole lives are casually ruined. Check out- as just one example- the horrendous case of Chris Day.

405057 stewart, 5, #623 of 2134 🔗

Clearly, the topic of the day is: should one bend over, take it and pretend it’s a compromise or give them the two fingers and brace for a life of conflict and ostracism.

Hmm, decisions, decisions…

405059 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 16, #624 of 2134 🔗

We’ve really got to start asking some serious questions. There is evidence that the virus was in Europe by November 2019, and yet the WHO claim there was no trace of it in Wuhan before December 2019.

There are far too many inconsistencies in the accepted narrative to justify the lockdowns, or indeed to give us any assurance that people actually know what they are doing. And if they don’t KNOW, they should be adopting the least damaging course, not recklessly destroying people’s lives and economies by draconian measures.

I’d really like to see this site asking pertinent questions, there are now more questions day by day, but it’s original interrogative approach seems to have gone.

405067 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #625 of 2134 🔗

I think someone needs to take a close look at Australia’s 2019 flu season

405090 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #626 of 2134 🔗

The lab leak is fast becoming the accepted best explanation for this also.

https://youtu.be/s43MJgdYUBg

405113 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #627 of 2134 🔗

Ivor Cummins in a video last week said that 14% of Italian blood samples preserved from September 2019 have antibodies to Sars Cov2.

405131 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to rockoman, 3, #628 of 2134 🔗

I wouldn’t be shocked if it was due to an endemic form of Sars Cov1 that slipped under the radar all these years

405118 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #629 of 2134 🔗

Yes! Yes! Yes!

I’ve listened to the whole of the WHO presser so far, (though it’s just dropped out), it has been so good to hear them talking about it starting before December. I agree re:flu season and would dial it back to 2018 in Europe.

I also see that they are talking about cold chain and food. And I personally would query intensive pork farming, (pigs will eat anything so it isn’t inconceivable that another species would find it’s way into feed). Also slurry, (human waste spread of fields used to fertilise). Also seafood being contaminated from sewage discharge. And I think that’s why you’ll find that in the counties we’re suffering far less. We are to some extent immune from previous exposure.

In the cities you’ve got a greater population of under exposed individuals. And what caused it to shift from being fecal-oral (assuming the samples from the Spanish sewage systems are correct), to respiratory?

In all of this sits the bad agent the flu vaccine, with its either an accidental mechanism of introduction by or immunity suppression. It’s somewhere in there.

405064 FerdIII, 6, #630 of 2134 🔗

Thanks LDS for this excellent ATL article on the massive data fraud and incredibly unbalanced fake news and gov’t reporting on CV dead and its ‘existential’ threat, greatly exaggerated. https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

Sharing it with others. Even Covidtards.

405072 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 20, #631 of 2134 🔗

Oh my god, someone please help me. My other half insists the vaccine is ‘95% effective from you getting the virus’.

i even resorted to the pollution on the nhs website but he won’t believe me. Has someone got a link which shows what the so called vaccine does….he’ll only believe it if it’s on MSM or so government shit website.

I don’t think I can go on like this much more….every day he doesn’t believe me. What’s the point in living when everything I had has gone….

405075 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 12, #632 of 2134 🔗

The jab isn’t effective at anything other than killing the very old. Your hubby is brainwashed. Sorry to say…

405100 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Two-Six, 17, #633 of 2134 🔗

Thanks guys. I am so sick of reading facts, charts, articles to him and he just does not get it. Even now I’m reading the shit on the government’s website about the vaccine, and he’s saying ‘5% will still get it,’
He is a sheep…and I’ve screamed that at him so many times. Nothing makes a difference. He’s much older than me (over 60) and I do not want him to have this stupid ‘vaccine’ but he thinks it’s his duty blah blah blah. Honestly I can’t take it anymore.
This shitty made up ‘pandemic’ has lost me my career, my savings, my life, my friends (I’m the only one who is sane) and probably most importantly, my beloved dog. I don’t want to live. I’m sorry but I don’t see the point in carrying on when this world is a prison run by dictators.
Sorry guys. You are my only source of sanity and friendship.

405116 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Redundant Pilot, 12, #634 of 2134 🔗

I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I really feel for you. This government knows what it’s doing, and the harms it has caused. I agree with Charlie Blue, we have to build a future for ourselves, even if we don’t currently know what that looks like. Hold on – keep posting and don’t give up.

As for your partner, can you ask him to not have it because you’re worried about it? Could you ask him to wait for a while?

I would be very worried if someone close to me had this jab – I believe it’s the beginning of the Mark of the beast, because I have a religious viewpoint. Those who don’t have a more difficult time navigating this new “normal” which is being created.

405149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to this is my username, 9, #635 of 2134 🔗

Thank you everyone. I’m trying so hard to hang on. Some days, because of you guys, I have a glimmer of hope but so often I just wish I was dead.

This world is not a world I want to be part of, and the fact that so many seem oblivious to what is happening just astounds me. I had a screaming row with two intelligent close friends (one another ex pilot) but they just said I was manipulating the figures to suit my argument.

I feel so utterly alone. My partner has kept me going, but when he reacts like a sheep over and over again it makes me feel like it’s me going insane. I keep looking at myself and asking have I got it so wrong? But I know I haven’t. I know it so strongly.

Please know, all of you, that everyday I read and value your inputs. Many of you won’t realise, but what you say and the things you do are a real lifeline to many of us and I thank you for that x

405117 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 15, #636 of 2134 🔗

Honestly I am sorry to hear this about your situation. the only thing…you are not alone.
Millions of people have had their lives screwed over by these psychopaths.
One of the key aspects of the Psy-Op is to make people think that NOBODY else thinks differently from the main stream narrative.

This is not the case.

I hope that helps.

405190 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Two-Six, 8, #637 of 2134 🔗

So true. Making people feel isolated is the whole point! I am sorry to hear about what you’re going through RP but you honestly are not alone. I agree with the advice to try to persuade your partner to ‘wait a bit’ before having any of these medical experiments. MW

405121 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #638 of 2134 🔗

Hang on in there. There will be sane people near you. Do everything you can to seek them out.

406681 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ed Phillips, #639 of 2134 🔗

Yep. KBF, Freedom Network, White Rose, SaveOurRights, etc. Join a group – there will be something within 10-20 miles of you.

Unless you live on Muck, maybe, in which case you’re beyond help. 🙂

405124 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #640 of 2134 🔗

Me too. Except I’d already lost my partner to cancer previously. And to be fair I do have a couple of friends who will at least listen to my rants, even if they don’t act on them.

I’m going to run out of money sometime in the next couple of months having lost all my work back in Lockdown 1. Then I suppose I’ll have to sell up the house I’ve worked all my life to get.

405132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #641 of 2134 🔗

Us too, our savings are running out. Even my elderly parents have just put money in our account for food. We don’t need it yet but…

405134 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #642 of 2134 🔗

Sorry guys. You are my only source of sanity and friendship.

You will definitely find those here. It’s incredibly frustrating when someone you love won’t see the light, but you just have to tell yourself that you are right, because you are looking at the facts, not just going off ‘what you’ve heard’. Opinion is one thing, preference is another, and they have their place, but I’m afraid that people who won’t consider the truth are lost, really.

405577 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #643 of 2134 🔗

I heard of a gentleman who had the Pfizer vaccine and is now having a nasty attack of shingles because the vaccine depresses immunity.

I have I hope managed to persuade a friend to at least defer the vaccine on this basis.

405702 ▶▶▶▶ Alex, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #644 of 2134 🔗

Hi RP, I am very sorry to hear about your situation. My husband is exactly the same. I have begged him not to get the vaccine, but he thinks it will all be okay. I read out things to him from this site and in the beginning he would just ignore me, as I think he didn’t know how to respond. Now he just answers, “you don’t know what to believe”. It makes me so angry. He is 65 and has COPD and I am scared to death that the vaccine will kill him and have told him that on many occasions. We have had a few arguments, which is soul destroying. We have been together for 40 years. I absolutely hate all this shit! I managed to get him to read ‘some’ of the adverse reactions to the vaccine. His reaction; “Well, it’s mostly old people”. I told him that as it was mostly the old people that had actually had the vaccinations, how does he know how the next age groups would react to it? Everyone in his family are having it, which makes it harder for me to justify my argument. I get so angry with him, telling him that he is an intelligent person and that I don’t understand why he doesn’t read other stuff that is not in the MSM. I think I have managed to persuade him to wait a few months and see what happens. Telling him there is no rush. I too, am starting to doubt myself. Have I been swayed the wrong way by LS? If he doesn’t have the jab and then dies, it will be all my fault. But, I am 100% sure that our immune systems, if they have not been compromised by Lockdown, is what we should be totally relying on. At the end of the day, it is his decision and I am getting to the point where I can’t argue about it anymore. I have better conversations with my cats…

405884 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #645 of 2134 🔗

I fully understand how you feel. Sounds as though Mr over 60 is not helping your mental health….maybe its time to get rid of him and find someone who would understand where you are coming from. For a sceptic living with a covidian it must be hell on earth.

405079 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #646 of 2134 🔗

Sounds like a mis-hearing/remembering of that ‘doctor’ woman who falsely said that with the jab, you were “100% effective against death from the virus”, or some such..

405095 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #649 of 2134 🔗

From here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-what-to-expect-after-vaccination/what-to-expect-after-your-covid-19-vaccination .

Will the vaccine protect you?
The COVID-19 vaccine that you have had has been shown to reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. Each vaccine has been tested in more than 20,000 people in several different countries and shown to be safe.
It may take a week or two for your body to build up some protection from the first dose of vaccine. Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective, so you should continue to take recommended precautions to avoid infection. Some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.

Can you give COVID-19 to anyone if you have had the vaccine?
The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do expect it to reduce this risk. So, it is still important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.
To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:

  • practice social distancing
  • wear a face mask
  • wash your hands carefully and frequently
  • follow the current guidance
405098 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #650 of 2134 🔗

I do hope your other half is good at reading between the lines.

405110 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Jonny S., 2, #651 of 2134 🔗

You must be joking Jonny, he literally reads it how he wants to read it.

405096 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #652 of 2134 🔗

Sounds like you might not get the penny back out of the slot. My cousin had imagined some ridiculous additional lockdown rule and he wouldn’t change his mind even when I sent the link and screenshotted the government guidance. He was sure he’d heard it somewhere and nothing would shake his belief.

I too feel as if everything I had has gone. So we have to build a future for ourselves that gives us what we need, even if it’s not what we wanted or expected. Not sure how yet, but we will do it. Hang in their RP.

405107 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #653 of 2134 🔗

Thanks CB

405119 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #654 of 2134 🔗

That’s a great comment – yes sometimes people just won’t listen no matter what.

405114 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #655 of 2134 🔗

In the kingdom of the blind – the one eyed are king

405146 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #656 of 2134 🔗
405172 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #657 of 2134 🔗

Dr Vernon Coleman has been on the money since the start of this nonsense, Try to get him to watch some of his videos or visit his web site. His latest update of deaths and side effects from the vaccine is truly horrific. It’s here:

https://www.vernoncoleman.com/main.htm

Click on ‘health’ and then go to the entry for 8/2/21—how many are the vaccines killing?

If this doesn’t make him think then nothing will.

405186 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #658 of 2134 🔗

I will thank you Harry. I love Dr Coleman, he speaks perfect sense. I’ll get the OH to watch it (I’ve seen it and I cried too)…

405197 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #659 of 2134 🔗

If someone is havering, the last think you should so is refer them to Vernon Coleman IMO.

There’s an even chance you’ll send them running into the welcoming embrace of lockdown fanaticism.

405297 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to AidanR, 1, #660 of 2134 🔗

Yes, the truth can be brutal at times and those who would rather believe the lies may never be able to face up to it.

406097 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, #661 of 2134 🔗

yeh, he’s hardcore. Ivor Cummins is probably better as a ‘gateway drug’

405416 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #662 of 2134 🔗

Sorry to hear your story RP – don’t have any magical answers but I guess you have to decide if it’s really worth the stress on your relationship to try and convert him. I believe some couples have chosen to not discuss the topic and that may be one option to maintain calm in the household, and save your relationship.
This psychological campaign is tough when you see a different perspective to the msm and gov etc. Stay strong and hopefully things will get better soon for us all.

405736 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Redundant Pilot, #663 of 2134 🔗

NHS aren’t claiming any %s here. They are also not claiming it prevents you getting or spreading it. Also get him to try his odds on the QCovid Risk Calculator at https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation Bound to be north of 1 in 2000.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/
How effective is the COVID-19 vaccine?
The 1st dose of the COVID-19 vaccine should give you good protection from coronavirus. But you need to have the 2 doses of the vaccine to give you longer lasting protection.
There is a chance you might still get or spread coronavirus even if you have the vaccine.
This means it is important to:

  • continue to follow social distancing guidance
  • if you can, wear something that covers your nose and mouth in places where it’s hard to stay away from other people
405085 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #664 of 2134 🔗

Do you think LS admin would even venture to look at counties where case rates are falling without lockdowns and vaccines? Until they can, this site is slowly becoming an irrelevance. Someone want to setup a LDS splinter telegram group?

Let’s talk about Ukraine

405105 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #665 of 2134 🔗

I’m sure if you put a death over time chart for every country next to one another no-one (without prior knowledge) would be able to tell which countries had lockdowns, which had vaccines, which had track and trace, which had masks, etc. Even Whitty and Ferguson would be at a loss. If lockdowns were so effective it should shine like a beacon across all that data.

405133 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Achilles, 4, #666 of 2134 🔗

If lockdowns worked they would have taken the 3 weeks.

406674 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #667 of 2134 🔗

Someone want to setup a LDS splinter telegram group?

Heh. Our local KBF group ‘splintered’ into separate KBF and FreedomNetwork groups. A good sign that the splitting traditional in political, religious, sporting, and academic arenas continues despite covid. 🙂 🙂

(Someone said they only pretended to split to muddy things up for MI5. Not sure about that one …).

405087 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 25, #668 of 2134 🔗

So another totally demoralising ABL offering from vaccine boy Jonathan “The Jab” Barr. Every day another article to throw us deeper into despair.
Honestly, I can’t be arsed reading most of this ABL crap these days. I might as well watch the BBC.

Still thanks goodness for us BT liners…Otherwise this site would be just another load of old bollocks.

405092 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Two-Six, 6, #669 of 2134 🔗

This.

405101 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Two-Six, 9, #670 of 2134 🔗

Has anyone contacted Toby and the writers about this? If they are doing this to deflect criticism and keep the site going they should say that is what they have do. If not then then perhaps there should be a panel drawn from commentators here to work with the writers.

405154 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #671 of 2134 🔗

Can a site be taken down for holding an anti-lockdown stance? I don’t see how. I write all sorts of things on my blog, but that is still running.

405185 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 4, #672 of 2134 🔗

This site would be exceptionally difficult to take down, because of where it’s being hosted.

If your blog is on WordPress.com or blogspot.com then it could be disappeared at any moment for almost any SJW reason. Back it up and have a plan for when the inevitable happens.

405173 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #673 of 2134 🔗

AG has. He posted a copy of his email to Toby Young on 7th Feb: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/07/latest-news-278/#comment-401471 MW

405145 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 7, #674 of 2134 🔗

I mentioned this earlier, whenever I see that name on a daily update I don’t even bother reading it any more. All the best information here is BTL. If I want to see some genuinely inquiring analysis, I’ll watch UK Column.

405157 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Two-Six, 5, #675 of 2134 🔗

Just the comments for me now. I gave up on the main above line stuff some time ago.

405898 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Two-Six, #676 of 2134 🔗

Agree totally I never even look at ATL now….the only real resistance comes from BTL. I think the ATL editors fear civil resistance much more than they fear lockdown.

405089 mhcp, 10, #677 of 2134 🔗

Just to keep perspective, what we are watching is when people with little accountabilty for their actions cause havoc based on a fantasy and then double down because they either know or realise that they will be severely affected if they admit it’s fantasy.

And hence we have the Ouroboros effect.

We are not getting out of this anytime soon because Reputation for most in power is more important than Reason, Ethics or Facts.

Do not forget.

405094 dhid, replying to dhid, 9, #678 of 2134 🔗

Yesterday I posted that I had emailed Talk Radio with questions about their running of the Covid “advice” ads.

I still haven’t received a reply of any kind from them.

Link to that post below:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/08/latest-news-279/#comment-403726

Now they are running adverts for the bloody Gates book “How To Avoid a Clim@te Dis@ster” (it includes the snot-rag Gates speaking – argggghhh!) so I have concluded TalkRadio are now a lost cause. BTW the use of the “@”s in the book name is to try to help avoid accidental “promotion” via search engines. Probably won’t make any difference though.

I will no longer listen to TalkRadio.

405106 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to dhid, 15, #679 of 2134 🔗

I will no longer listen to TalkRadio.

Me neither. As chaos has said, they just say the same things over and over again. And people like Mike Graham, who initially seemed sceptic and was scathing over what was being done, has become noticably tame in recent weeks.

405115 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to kh1485, 8, #680 of 2134 🔗

It’s a shame about Mike Graham, I think he is genuine, but has been told to tame it as you say. Maybe even threatened.

405162 ▶▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to dhid, 7, #681 of 2134 🔗

Anything to do with government ad spend?

405168 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 3, #682 of 2134 🔗

Could well be I guess.

405153 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to dhid, 8, #683 of 2134 🔗

I no longer listen to radio full stop.

405188 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #684 of 2134 🔗

I know how you feel – I’m down to one regional music station now.

Just have to indulge in the usual CCP (Covid Crap Tourette’s) when “those” ads come on.

Not sure if I’ll do that much longer though.

We are being tortured.

405270 ▶▶▶▶ court, replying to dhid, 2, #685 of 2134 🔗

I thank the lord that I’m part of an extended family Spotify membership. No awful news or awful adverts.

406646 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to dhid, #686 of 2134 🔗

Radio Swiss Classic – via the interweb – is covid-free and good.

405214 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #687 of 2134 🔗

Me either. At least I can hear what my car’s up to when I’m driving I suppose.

405813 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #688 of 2134 🔗

Yes, I have an iPod hitched to the car stereo now. I don’t even bother with Radio 2 and my favourite “Sounds of the 60’s” is nearing the end of it’s worth, now that prat Tony Blackburn has started hammering the BBC message about “the vaccine” and the “horrible virus”. We DON’T listen to the radio in order to be preached at, you fool.

405907 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to dhid, 1, #689 of 2134 🔗

I gave up with it a while ago to be honest….its becoming gradually indistinguishable from the BBC. The people it interviews are increasingly mainstream and they even censored Hitchens who is tame anyway. And as for the government adverts…..!

405099 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 27, #690 of 2134 🔗

As someone who is NOT having the jab (why would any thinking person have a vaccine for a disease that has never been proven to exist by the expedient of isolation and purification thereby NEVER having a gold standard from which to compare, and then to be diagnosed by a test that the very inventor said was useless for virus detection and the WHO are now saying is not fit for purpose) I now find that people I meet jump straight to the question ‘Are you having the jab?’ Isn’t it blatantly rude that neighbours, casual contacts and all and sundry think it’s now OK to ask this personal question? My ‘awkward’ side is tempted to reply ‘how many times did you have sex last week?’ but that reply would be totally lost on them and no doubt think I was being grossly rude!

My doctor’s surgery (after three phone calls and a letter) must now have me down as a ‘refusenick’ of which I’m inordinately proud I must say. But I’ve been thinking about how to turn the tables on those who ask me if I’ve had the jab and, miracle of miracles, possibly get them to THINK about the matter at a deeper level than that foisted on them by the mad narrative that we are all living through.

My imagined conversation might go something like this;

Harry…. have you had the jab?

Me….. I’ve been thinking about it but I’m undecided. Tell me, once you’ve had the jab, does that mean you can dispense with the mask? Does it mean you can mingle with your family and friends on a normal basis? If we all have the jab will society return to normal?. Will it make me immune from the disease forever and if not for how long? Are you aware of any side effects?

I can just imagine the looks of complete bafflement, nay incomprehension, that would be a response to these questions…..but would it make the questioner THINK??? I intend to try this out at the first available opportunity.

405180 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #691 of 2134 🔗

I have told people how brave they are to volunteer for experimental gene therapy and hope they fare better than the ferrets who dropped dead after being introduced to the wild virus.

405265 ▶▶▶ court, replying to merlin, 9, #692 of 2134 🔗

My thickish FIL last night didn’t look very surprised when in conversation I said I wouldnt be taking the ‘jab’ but he was visibly shocked when I said I’d consider it once it stopped being experimental and passed trials after 2023. “Experimental, what do you mean?”

405200 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #693 of 2134 🔗

I have it in mind to go along with the whole scam right up until just before the final stab. At which point I ask for names and titles suggesting they have attempted to carry out a medical procedure without ensuring informed consent. It is their responsibility to ensure you are.

406642 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, #694 of 2134 🔗

Loads of good ideas on this topic ! 🙂

405108 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 28, #695 of 2134 🔗

I expect much better from Guy de la Bédoyère:

Lockdowns have worked in certain ways, but they certainly haven’t exterminated the virus and they aren’t sustainable.

Lockdowns have been a miserable failure in every respect other than to facilitate the complete destruction of our society. If that was the aim, then they have certainly worked in this way.

Otherwise this is attributing moral equivalence to a position that is fundamentally false, evil and anti-human. Like arguing with a Nazi and conceding that although you disagree with concentration camps, you admit that they have worked in certain ways.

405125 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Richard O, 5, #696 of 2134 🔗

Bang on. Preach it!

405127 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 15, #697 of 2134 🔗

Lockdowns have worked in certain ways” I’ve seen no evidence that gives enough credibility to justify this assertion.

405141 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 9, #698 of 2134 🔗

There isn’t any. In fact there are more than enough counterfactuals to blow the argument out of the water.

405174 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Richard O, 16, #699 of 2134 🔗

Not really sure how any scientist or expert worth their salt can say lockdowns work. The words ‘lockdowns’ and ‘social distancing’ were not words found in any reputable medical journal pertaining to a pandemic before March 2020. In fact, I’m pretty sure the word ‘lockdown’ was only used in relation to keeping prisoners in their cells. How apt.

Not only that, but no-one has really defined what ‘work’ means – and the goalposts have been moved more times I can count. If ‘work’ is reduce pressure on the health service, then perhaps there is an a priori argument that appeals logically to a lot of people (fewer things open, fewer social interactions, fewer opportunities for the virus to spread, fewer seriously ill in hospital) but my response to this is that this just kicks the can down the road – what happens when you lift lockdown and go back to normal? Plus, all the adverse health outcomes that these prolonged and indefinite lockdowns cause will fill up the hospitals anyway, so it is not a net benefit.

If ‘work’ is zero Covid, then this doesn’t even deserve any scrutiny. The window for eradicating the disease at the beginning is so tiny and even if a country does somehow manage it, they are cut off from the rest of the world. Like lockdown, what happens when you open your borders again? As for countries where the disease is already endemic, it is so utterly useless aiming for zero Covid it would be laughable if it weren’t so destructive.

Lockdowns have never before been part of the toolbox for dealing with a public health crisis, and for bloody good reason.

405187 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 13, #700 of 2134 🔗

“Lockdown” was first rolled out in front of the sheeple as a thing after the hoaxed Boston “bombing”. Boston was “locked down”.

This was the “primer”, as it were.

They call it “predictive programming”

405448 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Two-Six, 1, #701 of 2134 🔗

Another bloody rum business to put in the Thomas Mair drawer, eh?

405539 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #702 of 2134 🔗
405111 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #703 of 2134 🔗

Just been looking at the BBC News website (not sure why really). I’ve seen some lame news stories in my time but this one takes the….biscuit!

405139 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #704 of 2134 🔗

What’s it matter? We can’t go there anyway.

405143 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Crimson Avenger, 2, #705 of 2134 🔗

You could travel to Belgium if you were considering buying a house there.

406638 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #706 of 2134 🔗

or to attend a business meeting …

405126 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #707 of 2134 🔗

Regarding last night’s propaganda-fest – we don’t do MSM, thankfully, that ghastly photo is quite enough! – and people’s remarks about Wancock and Van Tam smirking. There is lots of information about this online, eg:

https://psychopathsinlife.com/psychopaths-and-duping-delight/ cf Bill Gates famous smirk when he said ‘The next one will get their attention’.

Dave Cullen’s latest videos show the Irish leaders Micheál Martin and Leo Varadkar doing exactly the same. It’s not just the smirk; notice the hand gestures. All of our lot do it, notably Johnson and Wancock. You’d think all these (mis)leaders had been on the same indoctrination course! (That’s enough, MW, you silly conspiracy theorist.)

By the way, if it is possible to imagine worse than here, look at Ireland. Search for ‘Computing Forever’ on Bitchute. Other examples abound. . . . MW

405167 ▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #708 of 2134 🔗

Put a message for you on Telegram, Miriam, but looks like you haven’t seen it. I’d like to invite you and Alan down for breakfast at Kate & Luc’s next time it’s open. I can pick you up from any station in the area.

Can’t guarantee there won’t be trouble caused by the council thugs, mind…

405242 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 2, #709 of 2134 🔗

Hi, thanks for this and yes, please! We unhooked from Telegram because we don’t use the mobile phone much. However, I’ll text you our email address so we can discuss details. Or we’ll phone. M and A

405255 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #710 of 2134 🔗

Ok, we’ll set it up for when Kate & Luc reopen – looking like later this week or at the weekend, but all depends on events, I suppose.

405286 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, #711 of 2134 🔗

Thanks. Any day except Sunday as we are hoping for a visit. Actually, to our chagrin, we looked at ‘law or fiction’ and we think it’s probably legal. Never mind, support for K and L probably isn’t and we’re up for it! MW

405128 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 50, #712 of 2134 🔗

I finally reached my limit yesterday and got my self signed off for a month due to mental health issues.I have been working front line since March but now I just can’t do it anymore. All the motivation has gone,there is nothing to look forward to anymore and as somebody already mentioned this site daily ABL is more suitable,followed by doom ad gloom with a sprinkling of utter despair ..every day,repeat ad nauseum..I did 2 tours in Afghanistan, saw some of the heaviest fighting since WW2, friends dying,comrades getting blown up,bullets whizzing literally inches from my head and I never felt this much despair as I feel now..Its never ending lockdown,no holidays,no social interaction and soon no travel without a vaccine..What is the point ,the people will NEVER wake up and there is no way back from this. We all thought 2020 was a bad year,compared to what we are getting that will look like funking Glastonbury in comparison. I’m sorry for the negativity but I just can’t take it anymore..

405147 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Thomas_E, 26, #713 of 2134 🔗

I think you can, Thom. You are a soldier, you will find a way through; you’ve fought worse and come back alive. We are your squad, now, get on here and vent anytime you need to.

405152 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Thomas_E, 29, #714 of 2134 🔗

Hi Thomas. I’m really sorry to hear this. It’s hard to offer much optimism* but I can offer possibly three lines of hope:

  1. Things look bad but the plan is so huge and audacious it could well fail.
  2. We may be virtual but you have real friends and comrades on here and there are more of us than ‘they’ want us to think. We all feel despair at times but we’re good at keeping each other’s spirits up.
  3. Above all, don’t let the fuckers win!!

Good luck, you obviously deserve a rest. Look after yourself and stay in touch. Miriam and Alan

*It’s the realists who survive. Ask Admiral James Stockdale.

405155 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Thomas_E, 15, #715 of 2134 🔗

Thomas

A big man hug from me and a thankyou for all of your service. Do not give up. It will get better.

405178 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Thomas_E, 16, #716 of 2134 🔗

Thomas, I know you have been through so much worse than I have, but so many of us feel the way you do right now. I too don’t think I can take it anymore, but people on here are trying to help us and I think that’s something to hang on to right now. Please just stay on here with everyone and keep going….

405192 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Thomas_E, 18, #717 of 2134 🔗

No need to apologise for negativity. It’s only human to feel despair now, because we are living through a dehumanising experience. Everything good about life is being crushed. But they can’t destroy the human spirit. It might take time but there will be better days ahead. We’re on your side Thomas and we care about you.

405199 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 27, #718 of 2134 🔗

Your powerful testimony shows how devastating lockdowns have been. That you consider these conditions worse than the brutality of military combat speaks volumes for the level of destruction we are being subjected to. This is nothing short of an all-out war on humanity itself, and has been since day one. I am as pessimistic as you about our prospects, and have been through more than one dark night of the soul in the last year, but have now reached a position of equanimity and strength from knowing that I cannot and will not be broken by anything these evil bastards, and any of their quisling collaborators, throw at us.

405227 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Richard O, 20, #719 of 2134 🔗

You know what the main difference between being in combat and being in this lockdwown is?There you knew it would end,one way or another.The tours had an end date and you were counting the days down when you will have leave,or be able to see your family, camp duties etc..Here,its no end in sight,none..3 weeks to flatten the curve..That was almost a year ago.

405269 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thomas_E, 14, #720 of 2134 🔗

We are being subjected to extremely sophisticated psychological torture, and it is very effective. The British ruling classes, and in particular our intelligence services, have been past masters at this for a very long time. I underestimated the ability of the state to keep this going for as long as it has, but I think it has reached the point now where they are enjoying wielding their power and inflicting suffering.

It is desperately frustrating that so many cannot see this, and indeed are so hopelessly naïve that they still believe the government is their friend, but there is little I can do to help people that have relinquished their physical and psychological sovereignty to an external agency.

405384 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Thomas_E, 5, #721 of 2134 🔗

It reminds me of that SAS show where one of the tests was to reach a peak in the Brecons. When each person got there, they were then told, go to the next one. And on. And on. It was a test of resolve and spirit. Not many made it to the end of the three days.

405444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mhcp, 2, #722 of 2134 🔗

An unfortunate few didn’t make it, full stop. Which, as Thomas will confirm, is related in some way to why British Special Forces enjoy the reputation they do. As I keep saying to Mrs. M when she “feels” the barriers could, as it were, be lowered on such selection tests: they’re not training to be assistant librarians.
And we are bloody grateful, Thomas, that they- and you- are not.

405223 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #723 of 2134 🔗

From a fellow PTSD sufferer, (though not from combat) I just wanted to offer sympathy. So much of my experience of how to deal with the overwhelm of trauma is based in un-peeling the crazed fingers of anxiety and horror from my consciousness. But I have never lost sight of the fact that PTSD serves a purpose and is in fact the source of some of the best survival actions too.

Since having had EMDR, I feel vastly less crazy, so believe me when I say that this SITUATION is crazy and it’s ok to just want no part of it any more. One of the fringe benefits of ptsd is that it gives you a fuck it all switch, where you step in to preserve yourself. I’m amazed you’ve taken this long. And frankly impressed. Being frontline, you must be experiencing more than average cognitive dissonance.

You need to breathe, regroup and spend several weeks exhaling the trauma and distress to gain perspective from where to progress. I would suggest you keep in mind to write yourself off of work for several more months if need be. Then GET OUT. To the park, to the countryside, to the garden, to the forest. Find the tears that you need to shed, (even if you’ve shed a ton already).

If you have a partner, demand they take time off with you, to help you reconnect with a human being. If you don’t have a pet, consider helping someone who’s shielding to exercise theirs, if now is not the right time for the burden. We all need some friendly human contact, and I’m in awe of how devil may care and friendly dog walkers are. We keep hens. When I’m seriously depressed, I just watch them.

It’s ok after what you’ve been through not once, but many times, to stop and feel and create space for yourself. You don’t need me to tell you you’re strong. Your strength is your awareness that you need a fucking break. Hope is a renewable resource.

405240 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #724 of 2134 🔗

I was supose to have my EMDR but that was put on hold due to the fact that it needs to be done face to face and not via zoom. Now I’m on Venaflaxine but that only keeps the lid on but doesn’t help in the long term I think..

405283 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #725 of 2134 🔗

Hold on EMDR is brutal but worth it. If you’re courageous, it repays you tenfold. I used Citalopram fuse my mental health “circuit break”. But now I find that if I don’t eat crap, eat a lot of green veg and methyl folate take my vitamins daily, I just about manage. The insomnia though, is a bitch. Bloody monkey in my brain won’t quieten down and sleep . For that I have to give up caffeine, which I’m now in the process of doing.

405287 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #726 of 2134 🔗

By the way, that if sounded like I doubt your courage, which I do not. Was a generalised observation.

405226 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 11, #727 of 2134 🔗

I think, you have been truly heroic through out this nightmare. I really don’t know how you carried on. You have nothing to feel bad about.

I hope you have enough credits in the piggy bank and I hope you can take a back seat and be happy as you watch the whole house of cards collapse.

Perhaps this is the rainy day you have been saving up for.

Treat your self to stuff that makes you happy if that’s possible.

Try not to worry about “mental health issues” your reaction is perfectly normal reaction to a totally insane world. As are most mental health issues. Our world is incompatible with humanity in many ways. The ability to adapt to this mental asylum we call life is abnormal.

I hope you can find another job working with people who aren’t insane. Don’t forget the market for undoing the damage the Psy-op has done will be huge in the near future.

Hopefully you can find some sort of role doing this.

405274 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #728 of 2134 🔗

There are some wonderful replies to your post by thoughtful and intelligent people who make up an inspiring community on this site. I hope you find the pathway through this mad situation we find ourselves in. There are a lot of good people working hard to push back against the evil. As Laura Lynn Tyler-Thompson said “I will be the cockroach” ( a tough survivor) I repeat this to myself when i start to feel negativity. love and good vibes to you.

405307 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #729 of 2134 🔗

I will be the cockroach.

I like that.

405322 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #730 of 2134 🔗

Don’t give up just yet, please. That’s what they want – to wear us out, grind us down, make us surrender into this ruthlessly medicalised tyranny… good to take some time off, find breathing space, but maybe also look to take action with one of the networks – Recovery Group, Unlock Groups, distributing leaflets… it will continue to be a rough ride, but this fucking world WILL change by our decree, not theirs.

405812 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #731 of 2134 🔗

I hear you my friend, I feel the same. the only thing that keeps me going is anger…when that subsides, I just feel complete despair.

406462 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #732 of 2134 🔗

We’re with you M8

405136 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 9, #733 of 2134 🔗

Decision day for Mrs Biggles is nearly here. We agree on LS but not on the vax as she is pro-vaccine. Have mentioned Norway, Gibraltar and the care home in Basingstoke but it seems she doesn’t really want to know.

A few weeks ago I mentioned that my mother-in-law who lives with us had returned after spending nearly six weeks in hospital after a fall. She is 89 and has dementia. We were told that whilst in hospital she caught Covid but only had mild symptoms. Since her return there has been a slow improvement in her mobility but she is really quite frail.

Last week there was a call from the surgery as they wanted to arrange for someone to visit the house to administer the first vaccine (despite having had Covid?). Mrs B arranged for tomorrow but is now having second thoughts and said last night that she was going to cancel. She spoke to them again this morning but they are still coming to ‘talk it through’. It will be interesting to see if any pressure is applied.

405169 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Biggles, 13, #734 of 2134 🔗

Makes absolutely no sense to vaccinate any person if they had covid. In addition the vaccine will bring down her immunity for a period of time, making her more susceptible to catching other bugs. Then the possible adverse reactions…..

405171 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 8, #735 of 2134 🔗

If she has had the coof then there is no need to get stabbed
The Israeli Government has confirmed as much

405194 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biggles, 7, #736 of 2134 🔗

I’d like to be a fly on the wall when they visit. Any chance of recording the exchange?

405215 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to leggy, 5, #737 of 2134 🔗

I’ll loiter and report back.

405300 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to leggy, 5, #738 of 2134 🔗

You should certainly make a recording.

405241 ▶▶ rose, replying to Biggles, 6, #739 of 2134 🔗

That’s exactly what happened to my 99 yr old MIL. In hospital after a call she tested pos for covid 3 weeks after admittance. No symptom. when back at home nurse phoned to made her appointment for jab at home MIL decided she didn’t feel well enough to have it. Phoned them to cancel. Said they’d still come anyway. Were in a hurry. Just said she’d be fine. Jabbed her and immediately left because in a hurry, presumably to use rest of vaccine in the vial. Didn’t bother to wait even 2 mins in case of adverse reaction.

405276 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to rose, 2, #740 of 2134 🔗

Thanks very much for this, will see how it goes tomorrow.

405409 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biggles, 1, #741 of 2134 🔗

Marshal your sticks/clubs/knives arguments in advance ! 🙂

405148 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #742 of 2134 🔗

The current situation at Kate & Luc’s.

The latest move by the local government enemies of liberty.

405159 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 11, #743 of 2134 🔗

What will the ‘nuisance’ be?
Disorder? What, you mean police thugs punching cafe owners?

405189 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #744 of 2134 🔗

Nuisance for the authorities, definitely, in not meekly complying with their Orders.

405232 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 17, #745 of 2134 🔗

And this is the heart of what it is all about. They couldn’t give a flying f**k about ‘safety’. It’s all about showing small businesses who is boss. They are absolutely loving this. It’s the same here.

I hope there is a reckoning, I really do.

405245 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 12, #746 of 2134 🔗

For authoritarians, the response to resistance is always to double down. That’s why you don’t want authoritarians in positions of authority, like Patel, Hancock and Gove in our current government. And in my experience, like yours, a large proportion of local authority functionaries tend to be authoritarians.

That’s why we should never give government – national or local – intrusive powers, if we can avoid it, They will be abused.

405170 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 11, #747 of 2134 🔗

I’m interested and even a little surprised to see that the notice expires after 48 hrs. Lets hope that the fundraising provides enough backup for them to feel able reopen (if that’s what they want to do).

405184 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #748 of 2134 🔗

In the first flush of enthusiasm after getting out yesterday, Luc said he intended to reopen this morning as usual, but I think the fatigue of the previous 24 hours closed in towards the end of the day and his wife suggested last night they might stay closed for a day or two but will reopen later this week. If they do I will definitely give them some more of my custom – as much as I can from 30 miles away.

As for the 48 hours, it might be the limit to what they can impose under particular conditions. Will be interesting to see if they renew it tomorrow.

405204 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 1, #749 of 2134 🔗

Yes, I’m sure they will be poised to rush straight back and repeat at the slightest hint of reopening. I suppose that I was surprised that the goons weren’t able to use one of the fiats to impose a longer period of shutdown since it has been made illegal for them to open full stop – not just for the spurious reasons that were given in the notice.

405207 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Mark, 3, #750 of 2134 🔗

Mark, I do hope they both know how much support there is for them, even from those of us hundreds of miles away. Is there any chance of a really decent lawyer taking their case and suing the ass of the Manchester police?? Something must be done to help David win against Goliath!

405230 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #751 of 2134 🔗

They have the funds now for at least some lawyer action. Last night it was suggested they are getting Piers Corbyn’s lawyer, and presumably he will take care of any action that can be taken.

Luc clearly knows he has a lot of support. The problem is mobilising that support where it matters.

405211 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mark, 3, #752 of 2134 🔗

They should open on Saturday.

405374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #753 of 2134 🔗

Friday afternoon would piss them off more.

405385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crimson Avenger, 2, #754 of 2134 🔗

Brilliant.

405177 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 8, #755 of 2134 🔗

I guess the authorities must be very pleased with themselves. Shocking.

405195 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 5, #756 of 2134 🔗

Some little council weasel is smugly pleased with himself, no doubt.

405208 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 2, #757 of 2134 🔗

Oh, yes. There will be some Telephone Sanitisers (2nd class) patting them selves on the back, alright.

405217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #758 of 2134 🔗

Specifically, according to the notice:

Fiona Sharkey
Head of Compliance , Enforcement and Community Safety
Manchester City Council

Those who live in the Manchester City Council area should perhaps let her know their views (not aggressively or abusively), and inform their councillors that they will be voting elsewhere if this continues.

405239 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 7, #759 of 2134 🔗

Another non-job.

405281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mark, 3, #760 of 2134 🔗

Compliance… Enforcement… ‘Mach Frei’ presumably.

405381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Mark, 2, #761 of 2134 🔗

Compliance and Enforcement very ominous and sinister.

405398 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #762 of 2134 🔗

Sexissssst !

Herself, Fiona Sharkey, head of enforcement.

Edit: Heh, just seen your correction. Agree with letting the witch know people are not happy.

405221 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, 4, #763 of 2134 🔗

Will be great if they get a crowd standing outside letting customers in but preventing the Police and council goons from entering.

405234 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #764 of 2134 🔗

Yes, but it needs people willing and able to do that who can be there all the time, because there’s no way to know when the state enforcers will turn up.

Though it would need to be handled with care, because the police usually have escalation superiority in such situations.

405150 isobar, replying to isobar, 18, #765 of 2134 🔗

Britain could be trapped in lockdown cycles for several YEARS in fight with Covid variants – but staying in tougher measures for longer now will prevent new vaccine-resistant strains, SAGE scientists warn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9239863/Britain-trapped-lockdown-cycles-YEARS-SAGE-scientist-warns.html

But more evidence that people are not falling for this crap anymore

Best rated comment (372 upticks)

“All these experts have an agenda and it’s completely contrary to those of the general population.”

Worst rated comment (61 downticks)

“I’m more than happy for lockdown to continue. Hoping the numbers go up as they have been on the low side. I love working from home and can’t see myself back”

405156 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 15, #766 of 2134 🔗

That worst rated comment looks like a lockdown sceptic posing as a lockdown zealot in order to discredit their position. Hoping that the death numbers go up in order to prolong lockdown is a stretch even for the very worst of zealots.

405163 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 7, #767 of 2134 🔗

Yes, on reflection I think that you could be right, it wouldn’t be the first time that there have been bizarre comments like that.

405212 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 1, #768 of 2134 🔗

Best rated comment now up to 671 upticks and only 13 downticks

Worst rated comment now up 76 downticks and 6 upticks

405181 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to isobar, 5, #769 of 2134 🔗

beware the collaborators posing as brethren

405284 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #770 of 2134 🔗

Very wise advice there. CD.

405319 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #771 of 2134 🔗

Collaborators haven’t got the Imagination, Curiosity or Interest to access this site.

405452 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, #772 of 2134 🔗

Be cautious in your discourse, Philip, and skilfully divert the conversation.
( No, I’m not, but my Dad was.)

405237 ▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 4, #773 of 2134 🔗

Best rated comment now up to 671 upticks and only 13 downticks
Worst rated comment now up 76 downticks and 6 upticks

405670 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to isobar, 1, #774 of 2134 🔗

Can the office jobs that are now being done working from home be outsourced to another cheaper country to reduce costs?

Just asking for a psychopathic CEO friend.

405176 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, -1, #775 of 2134 🔗

Calling Jacinda Ardern the “toothy tyrant” seems unjust: save your ire instead for those who refuse to acknowledge the enormous geographical privilege enjoyed by NZ and Australia (which I very much doubt Jacinda herself would). There’s a reason NZ was a favoured bolthole for billionaire preppers long before Covid!

I don’t believe that if (given the UK situation in April 2020) even she would have tried to keep us locked down all the way to zero, but for NZ at least the zero Covid strategy seems to have been the right call.

405248 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to GCarty80, 9, #776 of 2134 🔗

Only if you want the borders closed forever.

405264 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to AidanR, 3, #777 of 2134 🔗

A zero Covid policy as a bridge to vaccination (ie what NZ is doing) is one thing: maintaining sealed borders even after vaccination (as grifters like that ladder-puller Devi Sridhar are telling us we must do) is another thing entirely.

405268 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to GCarty80, 1, #778 of 2134 🔗

But what if the vaccines don’t offer enough protection against the scary mutants. I think it’s way too soon to predict that NZ (and Australia for that matter) are going to be opening their borders after vaccination.

405290 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Chicot, -3, #779 of 2134 🔗

It’s not currently Jacinda’s position to keep the borders closed even after vaccination, and because they have a small population and (like other zero-Covid countries) don’t desperately need to vaccinate to save lives in the short term, I expect they’ll wait a bit to see which vaccines will offer the best protection.

But I’m optimistic enough that even if the vaccines don’t stop the mutant viruses altogether, they will at least reduce them to something that really is no worse than flu. Can’t see NZers staying closed off to prevent that…

405349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ George L, replying to GCarty80, 6, #780 of 2134 🔗

What do you mean.. “they will at least reduce them to something that really is no worse than flu” that’s what it is already. Stop bigging it up into something its not.. some sort of deadly killer virus.

As for the so called vaccines that aren’t vaccines but gene therapy, its already leaking out that they neither prevent infection or stop the transmission of infection.. get with the picture.

405747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GCarty80, 1, #781 of 2134 🔗

It already is no worse than flu.

405296 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to GCarty80, -2, #782 of 2134 🔗

Kiwis need a 100% effective against infection AND all mutations vaccine to forego the incoming quarantine requirement.

405249 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to GCarty80, 3, #783 of 2134 🔗

What happens to New Zealand when people start coming and going again?

405282 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to pvenkman, 6, #784 of 2134 🔗

It would appear that NZ has driven itself into a cul de sac. It is safe for the moment, but there is no way out. However NZers can take hope from their own history. For hundreds of years NZ was almost totally isolated from the rest of the world, after the initial setttlment by the ancestors of the Maoris, until the Europeans arrived.
The Maoris thrived in their isolated islands. I do not know how advanced were their farming techniques, but clearly if they were only at a hunter -gather stage they did well.
So provided modern NZers can learn to fish, collect birds eggs from cliff edges, hunt game in the woods , maintain their orchards, fields and pastures and are prepared to give up their cars (which the NZ govt was working towards anyway) then they can keep themselves free from contamination indefinitively.

405344 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to mikewaite, #785 of 2134 🔗

The Maori have stories about ginger pale people on the islands when they came. Same in other islands. There’s a belief that it refers to a race of people associated with the myth on Atlantis. I’m not joking here either.

It may more than likely be from asians who reached the islands before the Maori.

405419 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mhcp, 1, #786 of 2134 🔗

Fascinating , would like to know more about that . Wonder if they were denisovans who have left their genetic fingerprints all over SE Asia. and seem to have been a remarkably capable people.

405294 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to pvenkman, 3, #787 of 2134 🔗

They will go the way of the Moa
as they have not built up any immunity
(to anything)

405261 ▶▶ George L, replying to GCarty80, 16, #788 of 2134 🔗

Jacinda Ardern’s was and still is Blair’s bitch. Just another globalist tool. She tried to get elected in the UK but couldn’t catch a cold so they shipped her out to NZ where’s she’s destroyed the economy for what exactly.. a mundane over hyped virus that 99.98% survive if they catch it. Big deal, she got rid of something that mainly exists on TV.. the mind virus.

405302 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to GCarty80, #789 of 2134 🔗

small population and geography has helped. But the NZ people like to travel, being so far away and now they, like my family over there appreciate the freedom in NZ but are sick of not being able to leave. Still would rather have what they have at the moment.

405373 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to GCarty80, #790 of 2134 🔗

Err, wank. Wank on stilts.

405428 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnB, #791 of 2134 🔗

Is that an order? As my Mum used to say, I’ve only got one pair of hands.

406710 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #792 of 2134 🔗

Apologies, my instant response to the content of the post.

405561 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, #793 of 2134 🔗

Sounds like a tall order.

405766 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #794 of 2134 🔗

Yes, any country that still has (NZ) an official post of “Chief Censor” deserves everything that comes to it’s population. I used to admire the Kiwis and Aussies, but their governments are worse than ours by a long way, and that’s really, really saying something.

It used to be a thing that young Antipodeans would take their gap years off to “do Europe” before returning to get a job. You can kiss goodbye to both of those if this goes on much longer.

405182 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 20, #795 of 2134 🔗

Perhaps I have too much time on my hands…

405247 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #796 of 2134 🔗

That’s very clever.

405258 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #797 of 2134 🔗

Neil “Tier 69” Ferguson

405191 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 19, #798 of 2134 🔗

With regard to the goal of ‘zero covid’ this is blatantly easy to achieve—-just stop testing!

405250 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #799 of 2134 🔗

Or kill everyone

405254 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #800 of 2134 🔗

I am amazed Ferguson hasn’t advocated the Foot and Mouth plan yet…

405291 ▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Will, 5, #801 of 2134 🔗

Is that the one where Ferguson puts his foot in his mouth?

405741 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #802 of 2134 🔗

No. It’s the one where I put a bolt-gun to that bastards head.

405292 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #803 of 2134 🔗

Change their ct to under 30.
That’s how the NFL, Australia and NZ got there.

405196 Will, replying to Will, 4, #804 of 2134 🔗

I don’t think they are going to lift lockdown until July and schools are going going to go back until September and even that is a doubt.

405202 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Will, 8, #805 of 2134 🔗

First nine words.

405203 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 3, #806 of 2134 🔗

But hey, we should “compromise” with them. Would getting just some of our basic liberties back be good enough?

405357 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #807 of 2134 🔗

Nah.

405205 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Will, 4, #808 of 2134 🔗

Please stop fear-porning. Aren’t things bad enough? MW

405213 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #809 of 2134 🔗

I am an optimist and have been throughout but these maniacs are actually going to attempt to eradicate the virus. The absurdity is that I think herd immunity, subject to the NPIs that are currently being ignored, has been reached and the virus is burning itself out.

405224 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Will, 2, #810 of 2134 🔗

I think you might be right, Will. MH refused to answer a journalist question (posed twice) about whether we were going for zero covid or not. Although I admit he and his pals never give a straight answer to anything, so perhaps I shouldn’t read so much into it.

405225 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Will, 31, #811 of 2134 🔗

There is still cause for optimism. These maniacs may want to attempt eradication, but look outside – cars on the road, people on the streets. My town was heaving at the weekend given that everything was closed. People are out and about because they are fed up to f*** with being treated like children and having their lives stolen.

There is now a gap between what the government/MSM is saying, and what ordinary people are actually doing, and that gap grows every day. It may take some months but what will happen is that people will just stop listening completely to the government and will try their best to forge a life for themselves.

I think people are lot more fed up and angry than the MSM is letting on.

405439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Poppy, 1, #812 of 2134 🔗

Indeed, the new sport is coffee. It’s all we’ve got admittedly, but going for a takeaway coffee and walking round with it, stopping in the town square to chat, seems to be a thing. It was mulled wine before Christmas but they soon stopped that sadly.

405218 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #813 of 2134 🔗

Don’t want to speak for Will (can do that for himself) but sometimes we need to articulate our fears, don’t we, rather than just let them race around in our heads? And is it fear porn if it’s very reasonable possibility (it is, imo)?

405219 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #814 of 2134 🔗

You got to admit it’s not looking good thought …

405331 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to norwegian, 1, #815 of 2134 🔗

Fair enough it is not and the Government printed itself (without recourse to Parliamentary vote) a mandate to impose the current lockdown until 17 July which I suspect most people don’t realise but Will clearly does.

And, for sure, they have been dangling dates in front of us like the accomplished torturers they are, only to rescind them on yet more bogus pretexts e.g. ‘variants’ despite there being no justification whatsoever for this, or any other, lockdown.

However, much as I defend Will (or anyone else’s) right to express his opinion, to me, there is a difference between people posting their worries about how things will go and these blanket statements of what is going to happen – nearly always ‘worse-case scenarios’! They appear a lot on this and other sceptical sites so I should be used to it!

But, by design, we don’t know what the Government has got up its sleeve, so this kind of speculation can be counterproductive.

Maybe I’m over-sensitive to the use of language but I don’t find the ‘We’re all doomed, Captain Mainwaring’ kind of post helpful at all. To me, there’s a fine line between realism and pessimism and I find posts like Will’s come close to it.

[Actually, come to think of it, over-optimistic posts annoy me too so I’ll ‘get me coat’! :-)] MW

405361 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to norwegian, #816 of 2134 🔗

Agreed, a very bad thought. 🙂 🙂

405236 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, 5, #817 of 2134 🔗

Things will change when the weather does
The roads are already near to normal

405244 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #818 of 2134 🔗

I hope you are right. But right now it looks like the zero covid maniacs are in charge. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

405246 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #819 of 2134 🔗

Not round my way.

405251 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #820 of 2134 🔗

I think things will only change if the media flips from generally supporting lockdown to generally questioning it. If that happens the government will very quickly change tack. I have no prediction that that will actually happen though. The media are quite happy with the crisis as it makes for good “copy”.

405198 Victoria, 9, #821 of 2134 🔗

Elderly woman ‘collapses with hypothermia’ in vaccine queue after 100s of pensioners were forced to wait for HOURS in snow and ice due to overbooking blunder – before many were sent home and told to re-book

Brilliant way to increase the numbers of hospitalisations (possibly ICU) with Covid –> FREEZE THEM

Also anyone stupid enough to queue for hours in snow and ice……

405206 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #822 of 2134 🔗

.

Elderly woman ‘collapses with hypothermia’ in vaccine queue after 100s of pensioners were forced to wait for HOURS in snow and ice due to overbooking blunder – before many were sent home and told to re-book

Brilliant way to increase the numbers of hospitalisations (possibly ICU) with Covid –> FREEZE THEM

Also anyone stupid enough to queue for hours in snow and ice……

405216 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Victoria, 8, #823 of 2134 🔗

I waited 2 hours in A&E yesterday, in the waiting room it was so cold i was shivering and my feet went numb, even wearing my skiing coat, 2 pairs of socks and boots. They do seem to be trying their best to kill us off. Got to go back this afternoon for a cast so fingers crossed the ‘plaster room’ is a bit warmer.

405243 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TreeHugger, 1, #824 of 2134 🔗

How did you break your thumb?

405720 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Two-Six, 2, #825 of 2134 🔗

Tripped over whilst taking out the rubbish. Just got back from having a cast, first one in my 50 years.

405842 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TreeHugger, #826 of 2134 🔗

Dang….I nearly sliced my thumb off while cleaning a coffee caffitiere, it broke as I was swishing my hand around inside….Think of a pencil Sharpener….Pfffffwipppp.

Stitches….I really hope I don’t need medical care any time soon. Nightmare.

405209 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 35, #827 of 2134 🔗

It is dispiriting seeing the ATL posts becoming so bland, but I wonder whether the LS crew have been ‘got at’ behind the scenes. We have seen how brutally even respectable, principled and highly qualified sceptics such as Mike Yeadon have been cancelled and hounded off their platforms.

I imagine that the LS editors don’t want this website to suffer the same fate. They may well be as sceptical as us deep down but don’t want to risk this website getting shut down so they see it as doing us a favour. At the end of the day, they don’t regulate the comments section as they do ATL so this is still a valuable resource and community for us and I would certainly be very lost and upset if it were shut down.

I guess we should see it as a compliment. The lockdown zealots have absolutely no respectable arguments at all, so they resort to bullying, hounding, straw men, and ad hominems. When everyone finally stops pooing their nappies and can look at the situation rationally, there will be a lot of pain and turmoil when they realise that you can’t shut down society for a year without severe consequences, and we will have been on the right side all along.

405233 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Poppy, 19, #828 of 2134 🔗

They are trying to cancel Andrew Neil’s new TV show even before its started. That’s how bad its got.

405235 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 29, #829 of 2134 🔗

I think the zealots are terrified of anyone questioning the government/MSM narratives. This is the only rational explanation I can offer for the desperate measures they are now resorting to in order to eliminate any and all dissent. I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: this is why the term totalitarianism is used to describe the system being constructed here. It only works if there is 100% compliance. Not a single dissident can be tolerated.

405337 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 8, #830 of 2134 🔗

They’ve intentionally done things that they knew would kill people, Richard.

‘Terrified’ is spot on, they know any sort of reckoning would not be good for them.

405238 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Poppy, 13, #831 of 2134 🔗

Unfortunately, there will be very few who stop pooing their nappies and look at the situation rationally. It will forever be confidently claimed that lockdowns and restrictions were the only way to deal with this virus and even the slightest suggestion that they were not will not be remotely considered. Too many people have invested too much into supporting the lockdown strategy. We have to accept that people will not change their minds on this.

405253 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Poppy, 9, #832 of 2134 🔗

I suspect they’re self-policing at Toby’s direction. We know why. He’s the apotheosis of controlled opposition.

405259 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Poppy, 14, #833 of 2134 🔗

No despiriting happening here.
Best not to invest any store by anyone. What truly matters is what you are, what you do, what you think.

Hitching onto any one person or group is never a wise course of action. Be true to yourself, you cannot control anyone, just as you cannot convince anyone.

By being you people will respond, and in ways that are simple to understand because of your truth.

Demonstrate this to yourself by dishing out a genuine smile next time you say hello to a stranger.

405266 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Poppy, 5, #834 of 2134 🔗

Yes, so much has now been invested in this narrative that dissidents in the public eye must be under a great deal of pressure to tone it down.

405721 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Poppy, 2, #835 of 2134 🔗

If this website is damaged beyond repair, I have a website where we can transfer the BTL comment section. It is populated by hard-core commentators, and everyone here would be most welcome.

405979 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to RichardJames, #836 of 2134 🔗

That sounds great, I cannot imagine carrying on without this site.

405252 davews, replying to davews, 11, #837 of 2134 🔗

Slightly off topic but interesting. Just receive the annual newsletter from my old secondary school. I admit I have not been through its gates since 1967 when I went to tell the head master at the time I had declined an offer from Oxford which he had so wanted for me and to go to my university of choice. But I have kept in touch through their old boys network.

In this issue there is the report from the present head master. He doesn’t mince his words:

In the summer term of 2020 the academic outcomes of the GCSE and A Level
cohorts were determined by a system of internally standardised, professionally
determined grades assigned by subject teachers which were then subjected by the
Department for Education to a convoluted algorithm that the government
alchemists deemed to represent a fairer final outcome for all. The result, a set of
grades for young people that everyone lost faith in and a profession that felt more
beleaguered than ever by the lack of respect and trust the government clearly
placed in school teachers’ abilities to make accurate judgments about the
academic performance of the pupils they have taught for the last 5 to 7 years.
After some further final executive u-turning and rule-changing, finger-pointing
and scale-goating by the ‘team at the top’, our young people were finally
informed that the grades they were being awarded were those that their teachers
had originally assigned. Well sort of, with some adjustments to suit ‘national
profiling’, whatever that looks like and which seemed to be based on whichever was the higher grade identified between the teachers and the government algorithm for each pupil…….. Clear? No, us neither… but never mind .

I am only glad that when I was there I was assessed under the normal O and A levels and went on to three years at University which I still think as my best years of life. Unlike today’s students.

405272 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to davews, 7, #838 of 2134 🔗

Good heavens! How fortunate your alma mater is to have such a headmaster, who is obviously a man of staunchly-independent mind- and no little personal courage, because you can rest assured that some weasel will complain to somebody about that report.

405256 TheHandbag, 16, #839 of 2134 🔗

Can I just say how much I ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ young adults at the moment. Stacking shelves, working their socks off, wearing stupid masks and never ever querying my truly dire face visor which was purchased for its sheer shittiness and wide opening through which I can still breathe every passing virome, germs, mould and parasite. And my child and my neighbour’s child who defied the pied piper and went sledding and playing in the snow as only 2 besties from the womb onwards can. United in a love that no government can stamp out.

Also my local co-op who are the biz, unlike the Bank. Food is meh. People are wonderful! Calm abs carrying on. Positive and unchallenging. And my local box scheme abs dairy that keep us fed. And all the people who still keep the park pristine.

But to the young people who just can’t help but live and love and be all round wonderful, I just want to send so much appreciation. Never mind shitheads volunteering to rush out and vaccinate the elderly. These are the unsung heroes of this crisis. May they live long and prosper.

405257 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 34, #840 of 2134 🔗

Right now I’m feeling close the most depressed I’ve felt since this whole shitshow began. But I’ve allowed myself a tiny glimmer of hope at this news item:

Iowa to end COVID-19 restrictions starting Monday: no mask mandate, no social distancing, no gathering limits
When the political will is there, it is clearly possible for laws on masks and anti-social distancing to be withdrawn, and it is happening in some places.

405273 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mattghg, 12, #841 of 2134 🔗

Thanks very much for sharing this news, matt. Definitely a ray of hope – different choices can be made and are being made and it could happen here too one day.

405321 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mattghg, 5, #842 of 2134 🔗

Are you kidding? That’s absolutely wonderful news!

Thanks for sharing.

405333 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 4, #843 of 2134 🔗

I have a mate who lives in Iowa. Whilst the state wide mandates have been lifted, many organisations, particularly in counties under Democrat control, are pushing back strongly against relaxing mask and distancing restrictions. There is a similar pattern emerging in other red states.

405339 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richard O, 3, #844 of 2134 🔗

Oh how can you say that, you are implying this is a ‘political’ virus. Off with your head.

405356 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to peyrole, 2, #845 of 2134 🔗

Yes I will punish myself for this indiscretion with 100 lines of: “ I must not claim that there is any political bias in the response to Covid.

405463 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Richard O, 2, #846 of 2134 🔗

Yes, the article does hint at this and implies that there could be legal battles ahead.

405459 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 2, #847 of 2134 🔗

great news!

405262 Professor, replying to Professor, 19, #848 of 2134 🔗

After the JVT message that people should avoid booking Summer holidays yet, even in the UK, hospitality businesses must again be looking at 2021 in despair.

In retirement I own and run a largish holiday home in Wales, with our business typically depending on grandparents/parents/grandkids holidaying together. We are even now fully booked over the Summer, so people clearly believe that they will be able to stay. There is a general, rather quaint, feeling being expressed in many quarters that despite overseas travel being off the agenda, we will all be able to holiday as normal in UK.

However, even once full lockdown is over, the effect of “rule of six” restrictions (or in Wales, an even more draconian “rule of four” in the most recent roadmap) mean that the 25% of holiday letting properties that accommodate over 6 people face another very difficult season unless these are relaxed. Even at my most optimistic, this seems a long way off and the JVT pronouncement just reinforces that.

Our self-catering business saw 75% of bookings having to be cancelled in 2020. The effect on our income was severe, but the local people who work with us (cleaners, laundry service, gardeners) were even more affected and there is no such thing as furlough for this type of work. You only need to see the rows of boarded up shops in the nearby once thriving seaside towns to realise the impact this is having on the local economy, for which tourism is the major source of income.

405288 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Professor, 18, #849 of 2134 🔗

Killing tourism is one of the main goals of the plandemic’s organizers and proponents.
In particular in the 3rd world, of course, where the millions of dead through this policy are also not just collateral damage but intended.

405317 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Professor, 4, #850 of 2134 🔗

Chummy nicknames for that POS are not appropriate. The rest of the post is superbly crafted. The current CCP shutdown will be ruinous for the economy, health and education.

405408 ▶▶ l835, replying to Professor, 2, #851 of 2134 🔗

Having largely destroyed the tourism sector in Wales, the assembly will not doubt spend millions on advertising it when (if) restrictions are lifted. But the message from Cardiff is clear. We want your money, but don’t want you to actually visit, and certainly not with your germs. God forbid you might like Wales so much you decide to retire here, or horror of horrors buy a holiday home. Holiday homes are those properties which would be out of most peoples price range anyway, but pay the full rate for services the owners only access a few weeks of the year.

405703 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to l835, 1, #852 of 2134 🔗

I apologise to all the decent Welsh people suffering from this evil jumped-up administration pretending to be a government, but it seems like the Welsh administration have taken to heart the oft-heard slogan of the Welsh Nationalists in North Wales, which I heard since I was a lad.

“We want your money, boyo, but we don’t want you…”

Anyone who doubts this, should attempt to visit Snowdon via the mountain railway. All over the area by the foot of the mountain are signs saying “If you’re not a local, don’t park here.”

Very welcoming, especially as there’s almost no tourist parking.

405263 JayBee, 16, #853 of 2134 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/

The variants are Ferguson&co invented hoaxes to prolong for good and harden the restrictions.
Prof. Clancy has written about the futility of adressing this and them through vaccines, in particular the vector ones are completely useless by design.
But then, if this was about health, we’d have done nothing but distribute Vitamins, Zinc, HCQ and
Ivermectin.

405275 Victoria, 9, #854 of 2134 🔗

Covid ‘vaccines’
Are You in a High-Risk Group for Side Effects?
Mikovits’ hypothesis is that those who are most susceptible to severe neurological side effects and death from the COVID-19 vaccines are those who have previously been injected with XMRVs, borrelia, babesia or mycoplasma through contaminated vaccines, resulting in chronic disease, as well as anyone with an inflammatory disease like rheumatoid arthritis, Parkinson’s disease or chronic Lyme disease, for example, and anyone with an acquired immune deficiency from any pathogens and environmental toxins.

The chart below lists 35 diseases that are likely to render you more susceptible to severe side effects or death from COVID-19 gene therapy injections.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/09/coronavirus-mrna-vaccine.aspx

405277 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 17, #855 of 2134 🔗

https://everlast.mercolamarket.com/r/?id=h4056481b,25c5586f,260e8552&mid=DM790974&rid=1079396379&p1=c9e6f918d64140ab9ffc66dfce8c4c03fe9ef2c9607b5ca673888e51f429ba9d&p2=20201112

Stop calling mRNA and vector shots vaccines!
They are experimental gene therapies!
They do not adhere to the common definitions of vaccines.
They have just been given that name so that they could be brought to market faster and, above all, so that their producers could evade ANY liability!

405301 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JayBee, 12, #856 of 2134 🔗

In the coronavirus narrative every single key word refers to something other than what the word denotes. These are not vocabulary errors. They are deliberate. Equivocation is one of the few constants in the ever changing coronavirus responses.

405279 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #857 of 2134 🔗

Undoubtedly, with the latest weekly figures, all-cause mortality for January is relatively high, and there is an odd jump at the beginning of the year.

But how many people will realize that it is further proof that government imposed NPIs have been useless, if not counter-productive?

405312 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RickH, 5, #858 of 2134 🔗

The rationale in defence of NPIs all along has been that if we hadn’t implemented the measures then the deaths would have been even higher. The worst example of this is the assertion that lockdown has saved 400,000 lives (i.e. assuming that Ferguson’s original 500,000 projection was correct and would have occurred by now with no interventions). There is no rational argument against this position because it is based upon unprovable hypotheses.

405316 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Richard O, 13, #859 of 2134 🔗

Except Sweden. And Florida.

But they don’t want to talk about those. They wave them away with BS arguments.

The problem isn’t that there isn’t good evidence against lockdowns and little for it, it’s that they don’t want to know.

This is war.

405327 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 5, #860 of 2134 🔗

Except there’s now real-world hard data proving that the most draconian restrictions have made little difference, versus computer model predictions which couldn’t be proven either way.

405332 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Richard O, 7, #861 of 2134 🔗

Ferguson predicted 85,000 deaths in Sweden w.o. lockdown. Actual deaths by the same date were about 7,000 = 12 x less.

405397 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to John001, 4, #862 of 2134 🔗

His usual margin of error. You have to admit that at least he is consistent.
Surprised that with so many post grads and post docs from one of England’s premier universities around him he cannot improve his coding. perhaps he does not want, or is atually encouraged not to want, to be accurate .

405298 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #863 of 2134 🔗

Ed Conway has posted an interesting chart in his Twitter thread. He notes that deaths in early 2021 have stayed relatively high.

My personal observations:

  1. The first peak in 2020 is only extraordinary in the time of year it happened. It’s possible that nature doesn’t care that there are calenders and rules regarding time and seasons that must be followed
  2. Deaths staying high could well be due to attributing all deaths to covid purely on the basis of a positive test. If it doesn’t follow a natural epidemic curve then the most likely cause is something unnatural

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1359097136990814208

Ed Conway
@EdConwaySky

The red lines here are deaths in Eng/Wales each week in 2020/21. Grey lines show you what happened in previous years. As you can see, deaths in first few weeks of 2021 were high but not as high as in some harsh flu seasons. But unlike then, deaths have not fallen but stayed high

405305 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #864 of 2134 🔗

Not even a positive test, in some cases. From the DT letters today:
“SIR – My 94-year-old cousin died recently. Despite her having no symptoms, and negative Covid testing, her GP put Covid on the death certificate, even though he had not been to see her. At the family’s insistence, that untruth was removed and a more honest cause added. The GP rang to apologise.
How many more of these false certificates are being signed and what effect are they having on statistics?”
This is still going on.

405417 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Charlie Blue, #865 of 2134 🔗

I guess about 90.000, sofar.
Taking the CDC’s 9% and Sweden’s 14% rate of ‘from Covid’ into account.

405313 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #866 of 2134 🔗

Perhaps many of those who were denied NHS treatments or screenings in 2020- e.g. cancer-sufferers, are now paying the price for that.

A missed diagnosis or treatment in April or May, and I would expect that now – 9 or 10 months leter, we would be seeing the consequences.

Social isolation and economic impacts will now also be taking their toll.

..al this without talking about ‘vaccine effects’.

I expect that this crisis has now pushed us into a phase of permanently higher mortality from all causes.

405318 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to rockoman, #867 of 2134 🔗

There was an article a few weeks ago with a Glasgow doctor saying the pressure in his hospital was mainly due to coronavirus patients and people presenting with more severe conditions than they would normally.

I wish I’d bookmarked the article but it was in a mainstream news story.

405669 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, 1, #868 of 2134 🔗

and all of it can be chalked up to covid! Yay!

405335 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #869 of 2134 🔗

the deaths are from i) sending infectious patients into care homes ii) the lockdown

405353 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #870 of 2134 🔗

Ed – this is an interesting chart that you have passed on.

But re. your observation (2) – this is not about Covid attribution, since it’s all-cause mortality (I’ve been keeping a similar running line-graph).

The sustained January peak is unusual, and may be to do with both lockdown effects or a genuine additional mortality related to the gradual endemic settling-in of the virus. There will be some who will rush to see it as a vaccine effect – but we need better evidence before coming to that conclusion.

405363 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to RickH, #871 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for clarifying point 2.

405368 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #872 of 2134 🔗

There’s something a little odd about the trajectory of 2020/2021 deaths, i.e. there’s a jump from week 52 2020, to week 1 2021. They don’t join up. Any ideas, anyone?

405383 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to LMS2, 1, #873 of 2134 🔗

Might be a possible delay in reporting over the Xmas/NY period.

There are a lot of lines that have a sharp drop in the last couple of weeks of the year. Presumably they show a similar jump in the following January but can’t tell from this particular chart.

405392 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to LMS2, 1, #874 of 2134 🔗

the pre new year 2020 saw deaths rise but these were being attributed to pre-xmas based on some model. now they are flat and we get the post new year massive rise. still they might tweak the data in future

405432 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, #875 of 2134 🔗

You’re absolutely right … and it’s part of the question mark that I raised.

There is a general pattern around Christmas/New Year – a dip, and then a sharp rise, which is likely to be related to holiday interruptions to reporting and date misattribution.

.. but, that said, the 2021 level is relatively higher.

I’m loathe to jump to conclusions without better data.

405443 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #876 of 2134 🔗

The bat cold was probably already here in Nov/Dec 2019 as I remember everyone getting suddenly sick at that time
Another little blip around February when a lot of sickness seemed to be doing the rounds
The virus didn’t surge until the spring when the Government launched it into the care homes accidentally on purpose

405299 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #877 of 2134 🔗

Does anyone know whether this is recent footage, or is it from last autumn?
It’s datemarked Feb 7!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8FBZU4Cjjs&feature=youtu.be

405303 ▶▶ coulie45, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #878 of 2134 🔗

Looking at the trees still in full leaf it must be no later than last October – venue looks like Hyde Park.

405642 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to coulie45, #879 of 2134 🔗

Thanks all.

405306 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #880 of 2134 🔗

From September I think.
I was there!

405348 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #881 of 2134 🔗

I posted the same video yesterday. I think it is Hyde Park late last year.

405311 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 19, #882 of 2134 🔗

The measures and enforcement are getting stricter as time goes by.

People have eaten so many plates of manure they don’t notice they’re now being served via conveyor belt like those found at sushi bars.

405323 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2021, 17, #883 of 2134 🔗

They are indeed, as predicted by many on here. Don’t expect any let up in the assault either. Our enemy has the bit between their teeth and will not stop. I will be amazed if the current lockdown is lifted at all in 2021, and am expecting the restrictions to be tightened even further in the coming months as they move in for the kill.

405364 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #884 of 2134 🔗

Anyone who says the thin end of the wedge/slippery slope is a fallacy is either stupid or evil.

405324 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #885 of 2134 🔗

We suspected as much:

Two Swedish investigating media groups have exposed a group that deliberately spread misinformation to international media in efforts to discredit the Swedish Corona strategy. They have succeeded with this in Time, Science, Washington Post, among others.

Hidden Facebook group tries to influence Swedish interests abroad

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/dold-facebookgrupp-forsoker-paverka-svenska-intressen-utomlands

Google Translate:

The Swedish nation is described as brainwashed and responsible for the corona strategy as a perpetrator – statements in a campaign that worries experts in the field of information influence.
The closed Facebook group with more than 200 members has received messages in major international media and posts describe attempts to get other countries’ governments to act against Sweden during the pandemic.
In an email to Ekot, the group’s leaders write that they “do not want other countries to make the same mistakes as Sweden”.
Ekot and Vetenskapsradion have gained insight into the activities of a hidden Facebook group. Very serious allegations are spread in a social media campaign. Experts in the field of information influence consider the tone and methods to be worrying.

The closed Facebook group with just over 200 members includes academics, opinion leaders, researchers at Swedish universities and others who are upset about Sweden’s handling of the coronavirus.

The members are largely active in Sweden, but the dialogue is conducted in English. We have gained insight into the closed group, the posts and activities for a long time.

Members coordinate activities in the Facebook group and take the messages to the comment field, Twitter, Swedish and international media. They have received their messages in Time, Science, Washington Post, among others.

Hanna Linderstål is an independent virtual analyst and works to strengthen the business community’s and authorities’ knowledge of the impact of information.

– What we can see in this group’s activities that make it interesting is partly that they court international media where they present Sweden as both a failure and that the authorities in Sweden would have a hidden agenda about the country’s corona strategy, says Hanna Linderstål.

Hanna Linderstål thinks that the group’s processing of international and Swedish media is very worrying.

– Among other things, other countries are urged not to let Swedes in, to protect the countries. And these are strong statements that are made about Sweden internationally, she says.

The leader of the Facebook group describes in posts how members tried to influence governments in Europe to have quarantine rules for Swedes traveling abroad and to keep the borders closed to Sweden. He writes in posts about how messages have been sent to embassies, authorities and politicians in Europe.

The leader of the Facebook group has declined a taped interview but writes in an email that they “do not want other countries to make the same mistakes as Sweden”, and that the purpose of the Facebook group is to create a safe context for members to engage in opinion formation.

James Pamment, associate professor of strategic communication at Lund University, has also analyzed the group’s activity. It is one thing to try to influence Sweden’s politics and form opinion, it is another thing to try to influence Swedish interests abroad, which can affect Swedish citizens. There, the group crosses a border, according to the experts that Ekot and Vetenskapsradion have spoken to.

– It seems that the group has two purposes. Partly to influence the Swedish corona policy and partly to criticize media coverage of the policy. Then there is much else in the group that seems to be about damaging the image of Sweden abroad and also damaging the reputation of individuals who work in this field, says James Pamment.

The leader of the Facebook group also describes in posts and on Twitter plans to try to bring those responsible for the corona strategy in Sweden before an international court for crimes against humanity. It is described as absurd by experts in international law with whom we spoke. They emphasize that this criminal classification is about deliberate attacks on the civilian population and which is primarily used in wars and conflicts.

Listen to the entire review in the program “Vetenskapsradion På djupet” in P1.

Beatrice Janzon
beatrice.janzon@sverigesradio.se

Ulrika Björkstén
ulrika.bjorksten@sverigesradio.se

405350 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basileus, 5, #886 of 2134 🔗

“deliberately spread misinformation to international media in efforts to discredit the Swedish Corona strategy. They have succeeded with this in Time, Science, Washington Post, ”

Well, the Washington Post isn’t referred to as the Washington Compost for nothing. And Time has been boasting about the conspiracy to fix the US election. They’d be only too happy to help with the deception.

405360 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Basileus, 5, #887 of 2134 🔗

And what’s the betting that Facebook do absolutely nothing despite this being a deliberate policy to undermine the Swedish government.

405391 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 5, #888 of 2134 🔗

And MSM and others were happy to go along with this, lied knowingly or just didn’t bother checking facts

405412 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Basileus, 5, #889 of 2134 🔗

Same with Tanzania and Belarus.
Their strategies, leaders etc. MUST be discredited.
For the same reason that one MUST wear a mask, or do the Gessler or Hitler salutes in the past and be fined or cancelled if you don’t.

405325 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #890 of 2134 🔗

From Monday, all international arrivals… will be required by law to take further PCR tests on day two and day eight of that quarantine,” he says
Why PCR, almost guaranteed to give a positive result unless they have reduced the cycle count.

405343 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to p02099003, 10, #891 of 2134 🔗

“Quarantine crackdown Passengers face ten years in jail for concealing ‘red list’ travel”

Meanwhile, in a small rubber boat crossing the Channel….

405329 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #892 of 2134 🔗

Just had a reply from my MP. He and the CRG are pushing to have ‘the majority’ of restrictions lifted by May. If that’s their ambition then we’d better get used to lockdown.

405334 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to steve_w, 7, #893 of 2134 🔗

By May?! How about last spring?!

405341 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to norwegian, 15, #894 of 2134 🔗

I could (only just) have forgiven the initial 3 weeks – although I was against it. Everything since has been a war waged by the government and public health weirdos against the public

405352 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 10, #895 of 2134 🔗

I was about two months until I woke up. I am actually thankful for those two months of naiivety. You guys who have been awoke from the start have had it tough.

405369 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #896 of 2134 🔗

I had to stop the car when the announcement was made, come home and email my MP. I just knew it would be a catastrophe and cause far more harm. I so wanted to be with Sweden and watch those funny continentals demanding papers off each other for leaving the house

405415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #897 of 2134 🔗

We know, bro.

405418 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #898 of 2134 🔗

Ain’t that the truth.

405467 ▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #899 of 2134 🔗

I was sceptical from the beginning but was willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt with the first lockdown (even though I knew it was wrong and represented a deep shift in the roll of the state in our society and a dangerous end to liberties) because I could see that they were terrified of the press and the public’s reaction if our NHS were to be overwhelmed and Covid patients turned away. However, when it became clear that for the vast majority of people the virus was only a very mild illness steps should have been taken to ensure the vulnerable were protected and the rest of society liberated to carry on with some degree of normality, as per the great Barrington declaration and the WHO and UK Government’s own plans for managing pandemics (prior to 2020 at least).
In essence to lockdown once could be put down to bad luck or a mistake, to lockdown twice incompetence and to lockdown a third time with no end in sight starts to look like there is some other motive at play.

405518 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to steve_w, 4, #900 of 2134 🔗

Same here, I could have forgiven perhaps 6 weeks tops, if they’d then stopped it all and apologised for overreacting. I was against it from Day 1. In fact from Day minus-something, as soon as they started talking about how great China’s lockdown had been.

405345 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 17, #901 of 2134 🔗

Well the CRG have already proven themselves to be highly ineffectual (they caved completely on the Lockdown 3 vote), so I expect even this hopelessly weak fall-back position to be soundly defeated.

Masks I presume are of course going to be required forever. Unacceptable.

405522 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, #902 of 2134 🔗

They caved on LD3 because Hancock had petrified them with all his talk of new variants. Hopefully now that the new variants have come to nothing as far as real world experience shows, they won’t be taken in by that again. But I bet they will.

406031 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, #903 of 2134 🔗

yes, my CRG MP emailed me saying ‘with a heavy heart…’ etc because of ‘new mutants’

405399 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, 2, #904 of 2134 🔗

Which year?

405338 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 9, #905 of 2134 🔗

Disappointed to see the tyrant Hancock’s smug face at the top of the page, and LS looking like reporter-cum-cheerleader, saying the tyrant ‘offered a positive update on the rollout of vaccines…’

“We mustn’t let a new variant undo all of the good work that the vaccine rollout is doing to protect people.

“Now, the first line of defence is to spot and suppress new variants aggressively wherever they’re found.

“Hence the tougher measures at the border and the firm action we’re taking in those small number of areas where variants of concern have been found in the community Including door-to-door communications, and enhanced testing and sequencing.

“At the same time, since the emergence of variants of concern late last year, we’ve been working on how vaccines can be used to tackle them.”
(Hancock)

What hubris is this? Like I have said before, these monomaniacal lunatics have set the stage for a game called Chasing Variants (think of Adele’s song Chasing Pavements). The game is rigged. It’s a game of self-fulfilling prophecy, and it ends when they say it ends.

405536 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #906 of 2134 🔗

Lockdowns will end when WE say it ends.

405340 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 7, #907 of 2134 🔗

A friend of mine asked me about crypto currencies and investing. I made a few quid out of these recently, but my advice was basically “When the economy collapses, you won’t be able to eat crypto currencies…”

405386 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #908 of 2134 🔗

“You won’t be able to eat……” argument is nonsense.

You can’t eat the cash you take out of an ATM either.

So, if eating is your concern, then you have to stock up with non-perishable food now.

However, if at that future time we are talking about, the asset you have saved – after providing yourself with a future food stash – has maintained or increased its purchasing power in terms of food, then it was correct to buy it.

The problem with the “You won’t be able to eat …” argument is that we cannot purchase all of our future needs currently, assuming we can anticipate what all of those are. We therefore have to choose a savings vehicle for our surplus. This we will exchange – usually via cash – at some future time.

Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to convert our current surplus (savings) into that form which will best keep its purchasing power.

405414 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 2, #909 of 2134 🔗

And that mission is what I sit for hours in front of my PC thinking about while pretending to read Swedish massage magazines. Some gold coin, maybe?

405436 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #910 of 2134 🔗

I am guessing you don’t have to be ‘locked down’ for a ‘Swedish massage’, and certainly not distanced, with masking being completely voluntary.

What are Anders Tegnell’s latest recommendations?

Gold:

The central banks have been busy for the last ten years acquiring gold and redistributing it amongst themselves – preparing for the reset.

It is the only asset on their balance sheets which will survive.

Paper claims outnumber physical ounces by hundreds to one.

Of course you can’t eat it,

405525 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 1, #911 of 2134 🔗

I would only have coins or bars, which I would physically own and keep in my personal custody.

405645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #912 of 2134 🔗

Yes; when the exact time comes that they are most needed, the paper gold and silver will evaporate faster that the mist in summer. If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

I still remember the (probably apocryphal) story of the man who walked past a hotel in a nice part of a european city, just after the beginning of the Great Depression. Just after WWII, he looked at the now slightly delapidated hotel, walked in and asked if the owner was available. Placing an ounce of gold on the counter, he enquired if the hotel was for sale. In a few seconds, the former owner had swept off the (unknown) coins into his pocket and it was his.

“Buy when there’s blood in the streets”, as the saying goes.

405460 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to rockoman, 2, #913 of 2134 🔗

Correct. In every way.

My wife regarded my (modest) stockpiles of consumables with disdain. It didn’t stop her using the toilet rolls at the beginning of lockdown, though. Likewise for tinned food.

Even the government has repeatedly recommended that ALL households should ideally have two weeks worth of cash, food and consumables on hand at all times.

You might also add gold and silver coin to that list, if you can afford it.

405488 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RichardJames, 2, #914 of 2134 🔗

It’s interesting how the word ‘prepper’ has assumed negative connotations.

Prepper = one who prepares.

Always better than not being prepared one would think.

405405 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #915 of 2134 🔗

Bitcoin undulates in waves
Don’t buy up on the up (as in now) – wait for the down (as in soon)
Don’t believe the hype when the shills scream “ Bitcoin Crashes OMG

405410 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #916 of 2134 🔗

And FFS only invest what you can afford to lose, eh?

405342 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 34, #917 of 2134 🔗

In April three local women were handed fixed penalty notices by the police

Their crime had been to take their children to a local park

The women are aged between 19 and 20 and are all single mothers in receipt of benefits

They did not pay the fines

The cases have now reached court and each of them has been fined £1,000

They cannot pay these fines even if they wanted to

Presumably the State will send the mothers to prison for non payment and place their children in care

If past events are anything to go by their children are likely to be sexually abused whilst in care

What have we become?

Please remember this story the next time you see the smirking Pig Dictator tell us that he feels our pain

405372 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cecil B, #918 of 2134 🔗

Do you have a link?

405377 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cecil B, 1, #919 of 2134 🔗

He will certainly feel some pain if he does not stop this nonsense soon. There is a limit. You would think that someone with his knowledge of history would reognise that.

405411 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, #920 of 2134 🔗

Absolute nonsense to say children will be sexually abused in care. It is the exception.

405453 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to alw, 5, #921 of 2134 🔗

But if you are one of the exceptions, it’s no help to tell that child “Well, it was an unusual case…”

All crime is technically unusual, but you try to tell parents that they should allow their children to play outside after dark in an inner-city area. I think the point is a fair one. One of my wife’s friends is a sex-abuse counsellor and the examples of abuse by, or while in the care of the authorities, makes you despair.

I would also remind you that the Rotherham/Sheffield abusers targetted children who were in care.

405494 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RichardJames, 6, #922 of 2134 🔗

All beside the point. It should not be a crime to take your child to the park, nor for your child to play with other children.
Our rulers are wicked people.

405434 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cecil B, #923 of 2134 🔗

Seems like these cases are being adjudicated by the usual little Hitlers.

I have seen advice that one should ignore county courts and take cases to a higher (crown) court.

405446 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #924 of 2134 🔗

You mean ignore the Magistrate’s Courts, and go to the Crown Court. At least you will then be judged by someone who knows what he is talking about,

405496 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RichardJames, 1, #925 of 2134 🔗

All criminal cases go before the magistrates’ court. Some offences are ‘triable either way’: you can ask for summary judgment from the magistrates, or you can take your chance with a judge and jury. Offences that carry a heavy prison sentence are automatically referred to the Crown Court.

405347 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #926 of 2134 🔗

Is T&T the biggest waste of public money ever? Must be right up there if not. Still it’s the thought that counts and somebody made a lot of money out of it:

Secret Document Reveals Ministers Bet On Test And Trace To Stop Second Lockdown Exclusive: Labour and Tory MPs call on government to come clean over confidential “business case” for £22bn service.

Boris Johnson’s £22bn Test and Trace service was expected by ministers to prevent a second national lockdown last autumn, according to a confidential government document.

An internal “business case” produced by the Department of Health and Social Care in September justified spending billions on the controversial service because it would be a “main driver” in preventing a new economic shutdown.

405351 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #927 of 2134 🔗

WTF is this. Horoscopes are now justifications:

Research conducted by scientists at The Alan Turing Institute and Oxford University found that for every 1% increase in app users, the number of coronavirus cases in the population can be reduced by 2.3%.

The analysis suggested the app has prevented 600,000 cases since it was launched.

Health secretary Matt Hancock said: “This analysis shows it has been hugely effective at breaking chains of transmission, preventing an estimated 600,000 cases.”

405394 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #928 of 2134 🔗

All modelling, no evidence.

405441 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Achilles, 2, #929 of 2134 🔗

May I please correct your comment?

“All shit modelling, no evidence”

406468 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Nobody2021, #930 of 2134 🔗

So on a cost benefit analysis.

600,000 cases at £22 billion = £36,667 per case.

There you go Hancock, something your Government has failed to do all through the lockdowns.

405387 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #931 of 2134 🔗

There may be some wars that rank up there but the coronapanic has certainly been the biggest peacetime waste of public money, here and globally

405491 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, #932 of 2134 🔗

Do I gather that they thought an economic shutdown would be a bad thing?

405507 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2021, #933 of 2134 🔗

Yes, this was revealed a while ago I believe – supposedly they even told the NHS to stop making preparations for a winter surge because they were so convinced that it wouldn’t happen.

405355 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 9, #934 of 2134 🔗

Oh Hancock!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/09/passengers-face-jail-terms-10-years-concealing-red-list-travel/

Travellers who try to conceal their arrival from a red list country face jail sentences of up to ten years under a new enforcement regime for quarantine hotels.

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, also announced that anyone who tries to avoid the mandatory self-isolation in a hotel will face fines of up to £10,000.

The new fines will also enforce a triple testing system for all arrivals whether they quarantine for ten days in Government-approved hotels or at home.

There will be a £1,000 penalty for any international arrival who fails to take a mandatory test either within 72 hours of departure or on the second day of quarantine and a £2,000 penalty for any international arrival who fails to take the second mandatory test on day eight.

Any failure to be tested will also automatically extend the errant travellers’ quarantine period to 14 days. It is thought this comes on top of the £1,000 fine for failing to quarantine at home.

Mr Hancock added: “Anyone who lies on a passenger locator form, and tries to conceal that they’ve been in a country on our red list in the ten days before arrival here, will face a prison sentence of up to 10 years.”

It puts the offence on a par with making threats to kill, indecent assault and possession of a firearm.

405359 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to AidanR, 24, #935 of 2134 🔗

He truly is a madman and must be stopped

405365 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to AidanR, 17, #936 of 2134 🔗

Does that apply to those arriving on Dover beach from an unscheduled voyage across the Channel?
No!
Thought not

405366 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to AidanR, 20, #937 of 2134 🔗

Will someone please remove this megalomaniac. Anyone? I’m not sure he’s even human at this point.

405437 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #938 of 2134 🔗

His behaviour is so anti-human, that it makes you wonder if Mr Icke got it right about “reptilians walk among us”. After all, he [Icke] has been proved right over so much else.

405457 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to RichardJames, 3, #939 of 2134 🔗

He’s got kids, right? Is this the world you build for your kids? It just doesn’t compute with me.

405468 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #940 of 2134 🔗

This is what I don’t get. Is this shitty society what they really want.

My MP, shortly after being voted in, had a baby. I wonder if she’s having a good hard think about the world that that child will grow up in.

405514 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RichardJames, #941 of 2134 🔗

If you think of it as a metaphor, it does make a lot more sense.

405498 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #942 of 2134 🔗

He isn’t human, there is not an ounce of humanity in his bones and I wish him a nasty death. That picture of him smirking yet again whilst he ruins millions of lives is beyond contempt.

405378 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to AidanR, 12, #943 of 2134 🔗

Announcing tougher border measures in England to tackle new variants of the coronavirus, Health Secretary Matt Hancock says the rules aim to “secure the nation” against mutations.
Please can we pay for the Secretary of State for health to attend a course on virology.

405547 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to p02099003, 1, #944 of 2134 🔗

You might as well teach your goldfish to juggle.

405380 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AidanR, 24, #945 of 2134 🔗

What if they arrive from a country that has only just been put on the red list and were unaware that this was the case when they commenced their journey?

I can imagine the following conversation in HMP Belmarsh:

Prisoner 1 : “ What are you in for?
Prisoner 2 : “ Murder. And you?
Prisoner 1 : “ I made a clerical error on an international arrivals form.

405400 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Richard O, 16, #946 of 2134 🔗

Prisoner 3 in Belmarsh: “I tried to act as an investigative journalist.”

405427 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 10, #947 of 2134 🔗

Prisoner 4: “I refused an expiremental vaccine”

405554 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #948 of 2134 🔗

Prisoner 5: I broke into Matt Hancock’s house and buggered him with a cactus.

405647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to AidanR, 3, #949 of 2134 🔗

That’s grounds for a knighthood, not prison.

405388 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AidanR, 3, #950 of 2134 🔗

WORD BEGINNING WITH C!

405583 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Two-Six, #951 of 2134 🔗

Coprophilia?

405846 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AidanR, 1, #952 of 2134 🔗

Four letters

405389 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to AidanR, #953 of 2134 🔗

Well I suppose this is all a lot easier for MH than what he should really be doing if we are supposedly saving the NHS, reforming Health Care.

405487 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AidanR, 1, #954 of 2134 🔗

Any offence that carries a jail sentence has to be tried by a magistrates’ court, which may then refer the case to the crown court. If I remember right,y, the magistrates can only impose a short prison sentence (six months?), so an offence carrying a ten-year sentence would automatically be referred to the crown court.

405557 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, #955 of 2134 🔗

I believe any custodial sentence over 6 months (or is it 12?) must be handed down by a crown court, hence why if you’re a defendant in magistrates court and the bench passes the case up to crown court, you know you’re looking at a stretch.

405362 Schrodinger, 9, #956 of 2134 🔗

First Rate paper

COVID-19 and the Political Economy of Mass Hysteria”

“From this perspective, the lockdowns have been a policy error. We have shown that these policy errors may well have been produced by a collective hysteria. To which extent there has been a mass hysteria during the COVID-19 crisis is open for future research. In order to prevent the repetition of policy errors similar to those during the COVID-19 crisis, one should be aware of the political economy of mass hysteria developed in this article and the role of the state in fostering mass hysteria. Public health is likely to be affected negatively by state interventions during a mass hysteria due to policy errors.”

I also thought this was very true

“P oliticians have an incentive to overshoot the mark in their responses to a threat. This is because politicians are largely exempt from the risk of possible wrong decisions and their costs. Political decision-makers can largely pass on the costs of their actions to others.”

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1376/htm

405390 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #958 of 2134 🔗

It’s a circle now…

405500 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #959 of 2134 🔗

Doubtless Boris will tell us to clap.

405393 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GuyRich, 6, #961 of 2134 🔗

It certainly isn’t going away. If you’ll forgive my coming over all JFK, Covid’s the patsy. The magic bullet is the digital social passport. Can’t leave a big Chinese city without one.

405401 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 9, #962 of 2134 🔗

This is what I am thinking. I appears to be, long term, less about requiring a passport to solely assert your vaccination status but for complete surveillance purposes – ID cards. My Dad was in the RAF and said “I actually like some parts of communism. We had ID cards on camp and they worked well. Everyone should have one”.

I weep.

405450 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to GuyRich, 4, #963 of 2134 🔗

What your Dad said proves the point.

ID cards = a militarized society.

405473 ▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to rockoman, 2, #964 of 2134 🔗

Yes. I have had some heated debates with my Dad this last year. He is not the man I thought he was and, I assume, he thinks likewise of me! He was once a renegade but the RAF appears to have beaten that out of him.
He also said that he disagreed with my notion of a world wide communist takeover because the British would never let that happen!!! His cognitive dissonance is strong.

405508 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GuyRich, 2, #965 of 2134 🔗

I had to come to terms with the reality that my parents were fallible human beings just like all the rest of us, very much including this writer- in fact, the process goes on even now, in my sixties. I wish you well in your- I hate to use the word, but I don’t want to say “process” again- your journey , on which you’ll know from perusing this site that you’re not alone.
(I’d say fascist, BTW. I think the train coming down the tracks at us is called fascism, but let’s not get bogged down in semantics. Global corporatist surveillance-totalitarianism, how’s that?)

405665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #966 of 2134 🔗

I wrote fascism in brackets originally but left it out as that’s not what I said to my Dad, so I totally agree on that front I had my Dad on a pedestal for most of my life and it actually hurts to let go of that. We get on fine, don’t get me wrong, but it’s still disappointing.

405895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GuyRich, 1, #967 of 2134 🔗

I know.

405966 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GuyRich, 1, #968 of 2134 🔗

Yep, been there… it’s the bursting of one of the last remaining childhood bubbles and it’s no fun.

405396 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to GuyRich, 14, #969 of 2134 🔗

That prick can fuck off. An immunity passport programme (linked to a social credit score system) is the antithesis of normal. Which is why it is being pushed so hard. And rest assured, this will not just be required for international travel (which is going to be made next to impossible for the peasants regardless), it will be required for attending workplaces, using health services, going to a supermarket or getting on a bus/train.

405407 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Richard O, 7, #970 of 2134 🔗

The mention of not having to wear face nappies on planes while flying first class etc is just more evidence of class separation. I will be a peasant and proud.

405462 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to GuyRich, 4, #971 of 2134 🔗

George Osborne – Hancock’s old boss. Who’d have thought it?

405376 JohnDanny, 14, #972 of 2134 🔗

UK Column News Special: Care Home Whistleblower:

https://youtu.be/nKSIPzJpjj0

I haven’t watched it yet, but it could be big/important, so I’ve posted without having watched it.

405395 John Galt, 49, #973 of 2134 🔗

Daily and monthly care home deaths from the 10th of April 2020 until the 5th of February 2021.

Note that February 2021, after 5 days, is already above every single month apart from April 2020, May 2020 and January 2021.

Vaccine introduced on the 8th of December 2020.

Most deaths: 941 on the 25th of January 2021.
Most deaths prior to release of the vaccine: 715 on the 27th of April 2020.

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/numberofdeathsincarehomesnotifiedtothecarequalitycommissionengland

405402 Fearless, replying to Fearless, 1, #974 of 2134 🔗

Could someone please re-post the link to the safe Russian search engine for me?

405406 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Fearless, 1, #975 of 2134 🔗
405422 ▶▶▶ Fearless, replying to John Galt, 1, #976 of 2134 🔗

Thanks, but there’s a different Russian one someone posted that was an amalgamation of multiple other search engines.

405477 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fearless, 3, #977 of 2134 🔗

SearX

https://searx.me

You will need to go into the settings and customise what you need it to search for

Much better than Quack Quack goose

405479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, #978 of 2134 🔗

Thanks- I’ll check that one out!
Edited: yes, checked it out- I’ll download it and have a play about with it. Not for the casual user, though, is it?

405504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fearless, replying to Crystal Decanter, #979 of 2134 🔗

Thanks, that’s the one I was thinking of.

405478 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fearless, #980 of 2134 🔗

I’ve a mate who lives in a city in Siberia which you won’t have heard of- he’s properly IT-savvy, and he uses Yandex. I think, however, it would be naive to think that the NSA and GCHQ haven’t cracked it wide open. And the FSB, of course!
FWIW I use DDG, but there’s also Startpage- and Qwant, which is French, i.e. based outside the Five Eyes. (Oh, and Ecosia- but they’re German, and I wouldn’t feel easy about using a German search engine; we know that UKUSA SIGINT routinely intercepts Merkel’s emails, f’rinstance.)
The counterargument to all this is: just use what most others use and camouflage yourself in the anonymity. Money, choice.

405530 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #981 of 2134 🔗

Yandex email is good
Don’t care what Putin and the FSB can read tbh

405600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #982 of 2134 🔗

No….I feel less threatened by the Russian State than I do by my own, in fact.

405798 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to John Galt, 1, #983 of 2134 🔗

Yandex are also pretty good for email.

Haven’t tried them for webhosting yet.

405413 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #984 of 2134 🔗

There is from time to time debate BTL regarding whether this site should be “anti-vaxx”, advocating we should be anti-lockdown but vaccine-neutral

Surely the fundamental problem with this position is that it concedes that the vaccine is the way out of this, and in doing so we are once more a hostage to fortune – vaccine efficacy could be found wanting, especially against “variant” strains, and we are then back to square on

If the vaccines help some people then fine (though I tend to think they might end up doing more harm than good, but the evidence is deliberately unclear) but they are essentially irrelevant

405420 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 6, #985 of 2134 🔗

THe site should be neither ‘pro-vaxx’ nor ‘anti-vaxx’. It should dispassionately assess the costs and benefits of what is currebtly being proposed – the ‘vaccines’, in the light of all the evidence.

The answer i my opinion is pretty clear.

Perhaps the reason that there is no dispassionate assessment of the costs/benefits’vaccines’ is because one knows what the result would be.

405429 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to rockoman, 3, #986 of 2134 🔗

Totally agree. Every element is discussed on it’s merits. We should certainly avoid an anti-vax label as that implies being against all vaccines (e.g. small pox). Vaccines should definitely be debated in terms of their efficacy, their risk, their cost, their need and just importantly their political, ethical and legal use.

405431 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 4, #987 of 2134 🔗

Indeed. I guess the point I was trying to make, badly, is that whether or not vaccines help a bit or not or have too many harmful side effects or not we should not accept them as a way out of this because it is then very easy for the goalposts to be moved

405606 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to rockoman, #988 of 2134 🔗

The problem is it isn’t a vaxine. At least when from definition I had understood ie: prevention from infection and transmission. Is there a different definition?

405421 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, 6, #989 of 2134 🔗

I’d draw a distinction between being anti-vaxx in the Andrew Wakefield tradition – of which there are some here – and being vaxx-doubters in the specific case of the covid ‘vaccines, on grounds of redefinition of terms, breach of drug-development and testing protocol and the legal indemnities held by all those who could end up killing people.

And this is before we get to the false expectation that is being propogated that the covid vaccines prevent transmission and/or infection.

Also there’s then the distinction by being anti-vaxx or a covid vaxx doubter, and the refusal to accept mandatory vaccination.

Finally, it’s possible to accept the realpolitik of vaccines being our way out, while still doubting the vaxx is anything other than snake oil.

Personally, I’m delighted so many biddable people out there are volunteering to participate in this experiment.

405430 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to AidanR, 11, #990 of 2134 🔗

I am unequivocally opposed to all enforced medical interventions. Masks are exactly that, and were my line in the sand. Naturally my opposition to any further mandates of other medical procedures is just as strong. It won’t change anything, except to guarantee my total exclusion from this sham of a society, but that is still my choice to make.

405835 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to AidanR, 2, #991 of 2134 🔗

The Wakefield thing has been blown out of proportion by the media all those years ago. They still do every now and then.

Please do not take part in the propaganda that was orchestrated by these forces that are doing it with the virus now.

New Evidence Refutes Fraud Findings in Dr. Wakefield Case
New Investigation Defends Wakefield’s Lancet Study

At the heart of the Wakefield controversy has been whether or not the children in the study were, in fact, diagnosed with non-specific colitis, or if that information had been fabricated — allegations that were largely initiated by investigative journalist Brian Deer .

Writing in the BMJ , research microbiologist David Lewis, of the National Whistleblowers Center, explains that he reviewed histopathological grading sheets by two of Dr. Wakefield’s coauthors, pathologists Amar Dhillon and Andrew Anthony, and concluded there was no fraud committed by Dr. Wakefield:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/24/new-evidence-refutes-fraud-findings-in-dr-wakefield-case.aspx

405924 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Victoria, -5, #992 of 2134 🔗

This is distraction nonsense.

Wakefield was struck off by the GMC over claims that MMR jabs caused autism.

And Mercola is a witch-doctor.

405425 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 2, #993 of 2134 🔗

I am almost sure that vaccine efficacy will be found wanting, but I am certain that nothing is going to stop the vaccine programme and that it is necessary, if not sufficient (in the minds of Government) for anything to change. That doesn’t mean that questions should not continue to be asked with great urgency, but the ship has sailed.

405449 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #994 of 2134 🔗

Only uncoverupable mass deaths through the ‘vaccines’ can halt that ill-suited approach.

405447 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Julian, 3, #995 of 2134 🔗

I believe this site is staunchly PRO DEMOCRACY and thus should be PRO CHOICE! If people are so terrified they will take a vax because an MP or NHS doctor says it is safe, that’s their choice. We all should have CHOICE!

405484 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #996 of 2134 🔗

Agree. If lemmings want to rush off the edge of the cliff, it’s pointless trying to stop them. Our concern should be first to warn them, and secondly refuse to join them.

405486 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #997 of 2134 🔗

I am pro choice though it should be informed choice and it’s hard to argue that this is possible in the current climate

But my point is that regardless of whether the vaccine is dangerous or helpful, vaccines are not the answer to this or any other “pandemic” and if we accept that the vaccine is the way out of this one, the govt can very easily move the goalposts because of mutations or whatever other bollocks they invent

We have to keep trying to rid people of the notion that covid is exception and that lockdowns work, bit by bit

405454 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 3, #998 of 2134 🔗

Fully agree. With an eye to the long term, assuming a time ever comes beyond which Covid can no longer be spun, vaccinism legitimates lockdown-until-vaccine as the correct approach to all future scares.

We need to be braced for ‘the Rhinovirus’. The regime will do this again and again, unless its members are personally humiliated, I fear.

405483 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Julian, 4, #999 of 2134 🔗

One doesn’t have to be anti-vaccine to be anti this complete and utter fabricated shitshow.

405466 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to nickbowes, #1001 of 2134 🔗

This rant is really good!
I still don’t get the Why?! though.

405433 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #1002 of 2134 🔗

Dear Supporter

Today saw more voices in the media calling for a longer lockdown in a naive drive for zero Covid.

We need to counter these misguided commentators and lockdown lovers by spreading the word about the Recovery campaign’s important messages to friends, colleagues and to your local community.

We need to rapidly build our membership base so we are of such scale that we cannot be ignored. Therefore we have launched a campaigning hub to facilitate this: the Take Action resource.

By visiting our hub you will find a downloadable campaign leaflet for community campaigning and a letter guide for when writing to your MP . There is also a sample letter for you to download and send if you dont want to craft your own. You can find out who your MP is with their contact details using the look up link. Also please remember to spread the word on your own social networks .

Now is the time for a clear roadmap to get our lives, careers and health back . Dont allow our message of hope to be drowned out by the doom mongering pro-lockdown lobby.

Please take action today by clicking here: Take Action

Thank you for your help

Recovery Campaign

405882 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Julian, #1003 of 2134 🔗

Covid-19 is now endemic. It cannot be eliminated as it can survive in animals both domestic and wild. The government might as well lock us down until tides stop coming in. If Cnut – hardly a shrinking violet or of low self-esteem – could realise his limitations what does that say about the lunatics currently in charge?

405438 Basics, 10, #1004 of 2134 🔗

UK Column Special

Care Home whistleblower interview.

https://youtu.be/nKSIPzJpjj0

30 minutes.

405440 JayBee, 10, #1005 of 2134 🔗

So four tests per trip to France&co now.
Besides the discriminatory costs, aka profits for Tory donors, in particular for a family, what good is this for medically, if none of these tests is standardized and their results are as such not reliable, comparable or meaningful, especially in light of their too high AND different ct numbers?!
But then, I always forget that none of
this is about health. Silly me.

405442 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 7, #1006 of 2134 🔗

Just popping this back up here as it’s a superb statistical analysis of the current situation.

If anyone has any arguments against I would genuinely like to hear them as I have been following this train of thought for some months.

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

405666 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Jonny S., #1007 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for this. A really interesting read that makes sense of a lot of government and media stats that have simply never rung true. I’ve tried telling people that without context statistics are meaningless but people either don’t get it or don’t care. I particularly like the explanation of why flu seems to have mysteriously disappeared which has been bothering me for some time.

405865 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Jonny S., #1008 of 2134 🔗

A very good read.

405451 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #1009 of 2134 🔗

There is something big coming

The borders are now sealed

Internal travel is banned

What is it going to be?

We have no plans to turn the internet off

We have no plans to turn off the telephone network

We have no plans to cut the supply of food and fuel

We have no plans to let the army shoot demonstrators

We have no plans to jail dissidents

We have no plans to build concentration camps

405461 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 13, #1010 of 2134 🔗

All of the above was in a list of predictions I first posted here in September last year. I have seen nothing to dissuade me from sticking to them.

405472 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1011 of 2134 🔗

Is it defeatist of me to say that I wish the big thing would just hurry up and arrive then?

405474 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1012 of 2134 🔗

The Grand Solar Minimum will see food shortages going forward, so rationing is possible. Particularly if they can blame it on something other than deliberate mismanagement (since these solar cycles are predictable).

Not sure about the others, but I could see them cutting the internet since that would create chaos, which all helps make people more vulnerable to their propaganda.

405529 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1013 of 2134 🔗

Break the economy –> Central Banks Lose Control –> Install IMF controlled digital currency –> They Own Your Privacy & Spending Power

IMF digital SDR reserve currency = total control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiqxqlZ_QA

405455 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 21, #1014 of 2134 🔗

Why are people getting vaccinated when over 99% of the population is covid free. As a colleague said to me recently everyone these days wants to be a victim which is encouraged by the media,unions,government and many others. People understand that the main victims are over 70 or have health problems and believe it’s better to be safe rather than sorry. Others see your not going to be able to do anything without being vaccinated so think get vaccinated and we can get back to normal soon. The problem as some have already found out the vaccines aren’t that safe or effective so why are people still getting vaccinated.
As I see it people don’t realise their already have immunity to covid and other viruses otherwise 99% wouldn’t be covid free. The fact remains from the very beginning we were all told covid was new and no one had immunity to it. Both these facts are lies covid is a corona virus like sars and mers and there’s four cold viruses which are corona viruses which circulate all the time. This means that these viruses give us cross immunity to the point that 30% of us are immune to covid. There’s another 30% of us who’ve have had covid and recovered and are immune for at least a year. Lastly if you’ve had a cold which are rhino -viruses you will have immunity for five months, so there’s plenty of immunity to covid and why I won’t be having the vaccine. My confidence in my own immunity is based on the fact that my wife had covid recently and even though she coughed on me and the kids for ten days,
we isolated, none of us got ill. I am 58 with asthma so take 25ug of vitamin D every day because unlike the vaccine which loses its effectiveness to mutant viruses, vitamin D actually does strengthen your immunity.Everyone should be encouraged to look after their health through simple health measures and not turned into victim’s by being jabbed with an experimental vaccine that as yet to prove its effectiveness.

405465 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #1015 of 2134 🔗

Immunity to Sars-Cov1 lasts 17 years minimum
Proven beyond doubt
No reason to think #2 is any different

405493 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #1016 of 2134 🔗

Because they have been relentlessly bombarded with a narrative completely at odds with the one you describe for 12 months.I can’t remember at what point last year a survey suggested that many Brits thought 7% of the population had already died from covid-19. They must imagine it is at least 50% by now. Additionally, many people don’t want to look after their own health, they want to be protected and nor do they want to take responsibilty for any decisions, but rather for others to think on their behalf.
If I was in my 70s I might well accept the vaccine but I would absolutely not entertain the notion of coercion for anyone.

405565 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1017 of 2134 🔗

££££££££££££

405456 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 7, #1018 of 2134 🔗

The headline on this piece is “Live  Coronavirus latest news: ‘Extremely unlikely’ that Covid leaked from a lab, says WHO”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-vaccine-south-africa-variant-quarantine-cases/

I misread this as “likely” when I first clicked on this!

It turns out that it is so “unlikely”, according to them, that they are not even going to bother investigating it as a possibility. I expect the backers of WHO will be relieved to hear this.

405469 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 4, #1019 of 2134 🔗

Some good “salty” comments as usual. The thing that I don’t get about all this is they and other “health” people have got an increasingly limited stock of credibility that they are throwing away. Nobody will believe anything they say the next time even if they are now due to being in the midst of a panic.

405476 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Dan L, 2, #1020 of 2134 🔗

They’re probably right. I don’t think it was leaked at all, more like deliberately released.

405573 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dan L, 2, #1021 of 2134 🔗

would be better to have an independent investigation

405592 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dan L, 2, #1022 of 2134 🔗

The same WHO who reported in January 2020 there’s no evidence of human transmission for covid-19, yet mid January this year, several reports on MSM of a ‘vaccine anniversary’ saying that the vaccine had been in development for over 1 year!

405458 Freddy Freethinker, 6, #1023 of 2134 🔗

I recommend viewing this horrifying but informative video.

A very well put together explanation of how the IMF/WEF could use global economic turmoil and wrecked economies to install a privacy destroying digital currency:

Warning: Plenty of food for thought, but it may give you mental dyspepsia.

IMF Plan To Replace Bitcoin/Gold/Dollar With Digital SDR!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiqxqlZ_QA

405464 p02099003, 8, #1024 of 2134 🔗

Canada has delayed compulsory quarantine for visitors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QaTyTJICsY
Surely the 10 year prison sentence is an indictable offence which would demand a crown court trial by jury.

405470 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 12, #1025 of 2134 🔗

I have my viola lessons on Skype (my one concession to living my life on-line = apart from frittering away time posting on fora such as this of course 🙂 )

My teacher is half my age, half my height and fearsomely good both at playing and teaching. She’s very encouraging but she doesn’t let me get away with a thing. A smidgeon sharp or flat and she’s on to me and no slacking is tolerated. I see this as A Good Thing: I’ve been a musician nearly all my life and I know all the skiving tricks in the book. Also playing out-of-tune on a string instrument is unbearable for all! (I’m sure she’s much easier on her younger pupils, by the way.)

Anyway, at the end of yesterday’s lesson we had a depressing conversation. She lives on a nice middle-class estate in Cheshire with her husband and baby son and I would say she is a fairly typical higher-educated Millennial professional. She says all her neighbours are absolutely fed-up and they all just want the lock-downs to end.

Her husband, an orchestral player, is furloughed and she is relying on teaching, her freelance playing having dried up last March. She is totally upbeat as she honestly believes that the vaccine ‘roll-out’ (yes, she actually used that term) will get us out of lockdown. Her Mum, younger than me, had the AZ jab a few days ago and is fine so far.

She obviously thinks I’m a doom-and-gloom merchant as I’d said I don’t expect our amateur orchestra ever to resume and I can’t share her optimism, much as I’d love to.

Any hints or tips on how to talk to her would be appreciated. I cannot send her vaccine/political information as I think she would blank it. What I can’t stand is the thought of what it’s going to do to her and her family when reality dawns and I want to try to prepare her without alienating her. MW

405480 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #1026 of 2134 🔗

I guess you could point her to recent statements from the govt and SAGE that are decidedly lukewarm on restrictions being lifted once the vaccine has been offered to most

405528 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, #1027 of 2134 🔗

Yes, other than that all she can do is wait and see if she doesn’t believe you.

405489 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 15, #1028 of 2134 🔗

I’ve long since given up on treading on eggshells around people who cannot see what is being done to them. The situation is too dire. If they choose to ignore me, that is their loss.

405490 ▶▶ smithey, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #1029 of 2134 🔗

You have to try to sound like you are coming at it from her angle rather than a sceptic so I suggest saying/asking things like:-

  • I wonder what will happen if/when a mutant strain is found that the vaccine will not protect against
  • Hospitals are still busy so the government will not want to release us for awhile yet
  • point out that never before in history when governments have gained this much power and control over a population have they given it up freely
405541 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1030 of 2134 🔗

Out of interest, are you paying half rates for your lessons, on the basis that you’re not getting full value from doing it remotely over a system that was never designed to deal with the rich audio produced by a live instrument?

405551 ▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1031 of 2134 🔗

She’s very encouraging but she doesn’t let me get away with a thing. A smidgeon sharp or flat and she’s on to me and no slacking is tolerated . I see this as A Good Thing”

Definitely a good thing! We had three children learning stringed instruments in our house, so we know the heights of suffering that can be inflicted by a beginner with a violin…..

405553 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1032 of 2134 🔗

They are now saying the vaccines could encourage more deadly variants forcing selection, so we need to crush Covid completely. That means zero covid strategy with mandated vaccines. Everything in one neat packet.

405570 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1033 of 2134 🔗

‘They’ obviously don’t know very much about viruses or vaccines!

DavidC

405581 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1034 of 2134 🔗

My last twelve months’ bitter experience is screaming at me from this PC screen that there’s really nothing you can do for her. Sorry.

405582 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #1035 of 2134 🔗

Don’t soapbox, otherwise you risk appearing to hold yourself up as a wise sage with access to secret knowledge, with her as the acolyte at your feet who has failed to find the information you have. Having your ‘truth’ undermined can be a very bitter experience for the ego, and not at all welcome.

The wiser scheme might be to only talk about your views when asked, and then in a very limited way. She will either be curious and be tempted to press you further, or she wont. If she doesn’t press you further, you know where you stand, and you won’t feel rejected either, and then just drop it. If she is curious you can talk about your position a little more, but again with control and by drip feeding. Be careful to link each statement to evidence from a ‘legitimate’ source, such as the FDA.

It’s admirable that you feel the need to protect her, but she is a grown woman, she gets to wear the outcome of her choices. You can only help when asked, otherwise you’re just ranting. Come here to rant instead….we get it.

405679 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1036 of 2134 🔗

I find the best tact is “I get what you are saying but I heard a minister say the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission” “may not protect against variants” “X minister still saying we need restrictions after the vaccine”

There is plenty mainstream news now to just advise what’s actually been said and it’s not positive.

405471 Steve F, replying to Steve F, 12, #1037 of 2134 🔗

I was just looking up a recipe online and found the site to be plastered with pro-lockdown ads by a company called Mediavine. Each picture or banner changes regularly to offer another image or slogan. The images are variously of rainbows or happy people or hands linked in the shape of hearts. The slogans read:

Kindness is Contagious ;
Patience Not Patients ;
Alone Together ;
Kindness Can’t Be Quarantined ;
Spread Accurate Information ;
This Isn’t Forever, It’s Just Right Now ;
Just Stay Safe, Inside + Positive;
We Will Be OK Soon ;
Viral Kindness;
Do Something – Just Sit There;
Spread Kindness, Not Virus , and
Love Your Smile, beneath a picture of a face nappy with its ear hoops lifted into a smiling shape.

I gave up searching for the recipe because I felt too sick to think about food anymore. And I absolutely detest the way “kindness” has been co-opted by the zealots so that to dissent in any way from this orthodoxy is, by inference, to be unkind and a threat to the lives of all the good, compliant people who don’t ask questions but just obey the rules.

I’ve submitted a complaint about the detestable propagandist nature of these ads and, as I hadn’t heard of Mediavine, I went to their web homepage. Here is their truly sinister mission statement:

Mediavine supports all efforts to stop the spread of COVID-19 and flatten the curve around the globe.
As an international company, we have enhanced perspective into how the coronavirus is impacting the entire world. Our publishers asked if there was a way to donate their unused ad inventory to this most worthy cause.
Based on our calculations, with participation across Mediavine, we’re in effect donating over 2.4 billion unfilled impressions a month , the equivalent of more than $4.6 million in ad impressions a month .
The ad that brought you here is a donation by that website owner to help stop the spread of COVID-19 through the sharing of accurate information from reputable sources.

405734 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Steve F, 1, #1038 of 2134 🔗

I am SO with you on the theft of “kindness”. How kind has it been to cut so many off from meaningful human contact? To confuse and alienate those with dementia. Etc etc etc (preaching to the choir here). And it has felt like forever already!!!! Grrr.

405811 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to AshesThanDust, #1039 of 2134 🔗

We’re not kind or caring at all are we? Just bloody-minded rebels trying to subvert the will of the Govt., its dedicated, selfless scientists and the heroic NHS.
I resent this attitude so very much because it should be plain to anyone reading or listening to sceptics/dissenters that it is because of the harm lockdown is doing to people’s lives, livelihoods and sanity that we oppose it.

Nice cat, incidentally. And looking very comfortable!

405475 Bob, 13, #1040 of 2134 🔗

I’m not sure how their new £1k/£2k fines for refusing to take a test when quarantining is supposed to get through a court? Enforced medical procedures are illegal, and if you refuse, they make you quarantine for 14 days anyway so there isn’t even a public health justification (as the quarantine alone is sufficient to stop you being contagious).

405512 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JayBee, 14, #1042 of 2134 🔗

Further confirmation of the gathering storm. This is going to get really fucking ugly folks.

405517 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JayBee, 9, #1043 of 2134 🔗

Well they won’t get as far as my door – the gates are locked and the dogs will have them if they try to enter.

405792 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1044 of 2134 🔗

I hope you own a Boerboel or Rhodesian Ridgeback to greet the Vaxstapo!

405519 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 20, #1045 of 2134 🔗

This ‘vaccine’ certainly seems to be very important, doesn’t it?

405627 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to rockoman, 7, #1046 of 2134 🔗

Only yesterday this Zahawi creature was crowing about how 95% of the over 80s has been vaccinated. Yet today he is announcing plans to hunt down and harass anyone who refuses.

100% uptake is the only acceptable outcome for these monsters. This has been the goal right from day one, and I would argue the reason for the entire Covid operation in the first place.

405643 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 7, #1047 of 2134 🔗

Only yesterday, in response to someone talking about being hassled over the phone by their surgery, I joked about them coming door to door. Yesterday!

We’re all in serious danger of government absurdity accelerating past our ability to take the piss out of it.

405654 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #1048 of 2134 🔗

We crossed that Rubicon some time ago.

What fascinates me is that most of this is psychological posturing and threats without the widespread physical infrastructure of terror to back it up. This goes back to my assertion that our rulers do not have the guts or the will to go full-on authoritarian in the way that the infamous regimes of the 20th century did.

I am not willing to take any chances though, this despicable gang of cheap and nasty thugs needs to be called out every time they suggest yet another imposition that violates our humanity.

405524 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JayBee, 14, #1049 of 2134 🔗

Zahawi said that the role of the council staffers would be to determine why people are refusing the vaccine and then “see what might convince them” to change their minds.

How about a) I don’t want your expermental jab and b) if it’s so bloody brilliant, why are so many care home staff and NHS staff refusing it? Or alternatively, I may just not answer the door.

405526 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to kh1485, 4, #1050 of 2134 🔗

They only want to know how to best use your tax money against you. Probably best not to tell them.

405595 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to kh1485, 3, #1051 of 2134 🔗

I would request details of the levels of compensation I will be entitled to in the event of a severe ADR leading to an inability to continue to work. I would want an official signed declaration confirming who holds liability. Once I am convinced of full and adequate financial protection for myself and my family, only then might I consider it.

405641 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to happychappy, 3, #1052 of 2134 🔗

Chatting to a friend online & they said quite a few weeks ago that someone – apparently – posted to online social media channels, for SAGA to say they would give them their total business for years, & tell everyone else to do the same, just as long as they cover them for any & all potential side effects from the vaccine; being as the Pharma co. will be exempt, SAGA surely won’t mind giving that little bit of reassurance to customers? SAGA apparently responded something like, due to current covid-19 related circumstances, customer service replies take a bit longer than usual so please bear with us…

405653 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 4, #1053 of 2134 🔗

Also: c) why are they going door to door when they are – according to council’s own literature – supposedly spreading deadly disease all over the place without knowing?
d) have they violated GDPR rules and medical confidentiality by gaining access to your private medical records & correspondence, and if so, would they hang on while you made a formal legal complaint under said regulations?!

405767 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to kh1485, 3, #1054 of 2134 🔗

A simple “FUCK OFF”, followed by the slam of the door should do it.

405569 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, 4, #1055 of 2134 🔗

cough splutter and coof on the doorstep
Give it your best Sarah Bernhardt
tell them you have Covid and come back in 14 days
Rinse and repeat

405575 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JayBee, 7, #1056 of 2134 🔗

“We absolutely will look at how we are addressing the issue of refusal rates,” Zahawi said.

What is it with this fucker and the word ‘absolutely’? He uses it in every 2nd sentence.

405586 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1057 of 2134 🔗

So, absolutely awesome…

DavidC

405576 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JayBee, 10, #1058 of 2134 🔗

That’s an awful lot of doors to knock on if 1/3 are refusing. Another stupid idea being floated which simply won’t work? Intended to scare up some further compliance from the not quite sure, possibly?
I agree with others that if they start doing this we should just not engage. No need to open the door except to people you are expecting.

405611 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JayBee, 2, #1059 of 2134 🔗

Revolution catalyst. Ordo ab chao.

405630 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JayBee, 9, #1060 of 2134 🔗

I really don’t want council bastards knocking on my door but if they do IT WON’T BE PRETTY.

The last time the bastard lib dems came round canvassing, I was leaning out the window shouting at them,”I have never been so let down by a political party in my life, you should be ashamed of yourselves!, YOUR ARE ALL RUBBISH”….They scuttled off. I hate these people.

Lucky it wasn’t the bastard Tories.

405757 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JayBee, 1, #1061 of 2134 🔗

Truly, I am almost excited at the thought of them knocking my door.

405482 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 53, #1062 of 2134 🔗

Customer just now on being asked how she was “Oh, we just keep on keeping on as it doesn’t really affect us”

No love, but it will, just you wait and see. Jeez, these people bloody anger me.

405485 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 31, #1063 of 2134 🔗

How can this not affect them in any way, even if they’re financially secure? Do they not have friends and family they would like to see? Do they never go on holiday, to the theatre, shopping or to a restaurant? Wouldn’t they like it not to be illegal to leave their own house without a reasonable excuse? I just don’t understand how these things can not bother people on a fundamental level, especially after so long. Even if they don’t give a fig about the people losing their jobs, businesses and sanity or the kids being confined to social isolation for months on end.

405492 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 24, #1064 of 2134 🔗

Same here AC. I just despair at these people. She has kids in their early 20s (one used to work for us) and she must surely worry about their futures. I really don’t get it at all. Not only that, but the sheer tactlessness of being so damned breezy about it as she surveys the scene of our deserted shop.

405537 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 9, #1065 of 2134 🔗

She says it doesn’t affect her because she is an ignorant fool, which must be bliss.

405560 ▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #1066 of 2134 🔗

Sadly though about 90% of the population seem to be ignorant fools

405497 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1067 of 2134 🔗

I just don’t understand how these things can not bother people on a fundamental level,

I’d guess these things bothered them a lot at first, but they’ve become inured to it. Their survival mechanism is to keep telling themselves it doesn’t really affect them. Having bought into this, eventual acceptance of the fact that it does affect them will be resisted due to cognitive dissonance and stockholm syndrome.

405511 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to AidanR, 6, #1068 of 2134 🔗

Yes I can imagine some being happy with this for the rest of their lives, not that they probably had much of a life before.

405574 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 17, #1069 of 2134 🔗

Since social media, I’ve noticed how eager people are to see things banned that they don’t do or care about.

Whether it’s hunting and shooting, horseriding, drugs, drink, nightclubs, smoking, motor racing, motorcycles, mountain climbing, meat-eating, keeping pets or whatever.

People are very ready to see everything banned on the basis that if it was important, they’d be interested in it.

You even see people who are fighting tooth and nail to keep their personal passion free and legal turn round and casually call for a ban on something that other people are equally passionate about, because they lack the insight and empathy to grasp the hypocrisy of their position.

It’s as if sociopathic traits are being educated into people by the cathedral.

405521 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 7, #1070 of 2134 🔗

I’d guess these things bothered them a lot at first, but they’ve become inured to it .”

Well we’ve all heard the frog-boiling analogy.

Now we are seeing it in practice.

405532 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 2, #1071 of 2134 🔗

Indeed we are.

405499 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1072 of 2134 🔗

Grant that they do none of those things so are truly unaffected by this. How utterly selfish of them. I’m alright Jack, sod the wider world.

405546 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1073 of 2134 🔗

“Oh you earn your money for your daily bread-
But the bread’s gone up, so you need more money:
The money’s gone down, better borrow instead-
It’s time to ring some changes.”

Richard Thompson.

405495 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to kh1485, 4, #1074 of 2134 🔗

‘…keep on keeping on…’

Ugh. Moronic expression.

405501 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 16, #1075 of 2134 🔗

Perhaps they should tell that to the family and friends of my old pal who killed himself yesterday.

405506 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 7, #1076 of 2134 🔗

That’s awful, I’m so sorry to read that.

405567 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to leggy, 1, #1077 of 2134 🔗

Sad to read that leggy.

DavidC

405610 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to leggy, 1, #1078 of 2134 🔗

Terrible news. I am sorry.

405683 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to leggy, 1, #1079 of 2134 🔗

Oh wow! That’s so sad. I am very sorry.

405510 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to kh1485, 9, #1080 of 2134 🔗

Or it’s the “Oh well, that’s the way it is and I can’t do anything about it anyway” attitude. Followed by “I hear it’s going to rain tomorrow – Oh dear, I’ll have to do my washing the day after – Bye dear, have a nice day….”

405712 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1081 of 2134 🔗

Yep….I’ve been speculating for some time whether a high proportion of people are as thick as two short planks or as selfish as they come – or some sort of combination of the two.

405513 ▶▶ smithey, replying to kh1485, 8, #1082 of 2134 🔗

How on earth can it not affect them! Pre Covid she must have had an incredibly dull life only going out to the supermarket and the occasional walk and never seeing any friends or family!

405967 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to smithey, #1083 of 2134 🔗

Likely no friends. Any family will have taken evasive action and left the country.

405516 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 18, #1084 of 2134 🔗

What an ignorant piece of shit. Of course the complete collapse of civilisation and a descent into a totalitarian hell doesn’t really affect her.

405534 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 9, #1085 of 2134 🔗

Exactly. I keep saying this to people and they look at me like I’m the mad one!

405542 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 5, #1086 of 2134 🔗

Oh to be an airhead

405596 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kh1485, 10, #1087 of 2134 🔗

Next she’ll tell you how much she, “cares for everyone and is trying to keep them safe.”

Sickening.

405503 frankfrankly, 6, #1088 of 2134 🔗

An excellent article at the Conservative Woman site https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/sage-and-the-failure-of-science/ ‘Sage and the Failure of Science. Send the main points to yoir MP!

405505 petgor, replying to petgor, 25, #1089 of 2134 🔗

Apropos of nothing:

I am being pestered by the NHS, by my equally aged acquaintances and by my GP surgery to have the jab. My GP phoned my wife today to try a personal approach, which was laced with the (possible) threat of excommunication from the practice if the vaccine is refused.

My/our take on it all is this:

I await the results of the current mass testing.

I also await the outcome of the continuing fears expressed by the government and its propaganda arm (the media) of the likelihood of the virus mutating.

I want to know which vaccine has the best prospects of success. At the moment Oxford/Astra Zeneca has a success rate of 74% (average); Pfizer claims 95% and Moderna 94%. I hear of deaths and side-effects, but not from the government or MSM.

I know, and my GP has already indicated this today, that I will be forced either by another government dictat or by force of circumstance, to have the jab.

As things stand with the NHS currently if I become infected by the virus I will be looked after. If not, then, tough, I am on my own. When I mentioned this in an earlier comment on this website some rubbished my concerns by referring to their own good treatment at the hands of the NHS. Well, good for them. However, I know from other people that the NHS is seriously failing the public and that mainly by good luck will we be helped.

405520 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to petgor, 7, #1090 of 2134 🔗

Very interesting. Can you give any further details of exactly what your GP said regarding the forthcoming vaccine mandate?

405527 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to petgor, 23, #1091 of 2134 🔗

If you have been warned that you will be forced, please report the GP to their regulator, or at least tell them you intend to. That’s not on.

405704 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1092 of 2134 🔗

Absolutely report them. What they did was blackmail.

405533 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to petgor, 13, #1093 of 2134 🔗

I think your GP is trying it on. I simply can’t see how they can make vaccination compulsory while there is such a high level of refusal among minorty ethnic groups ( I wish I still believe that this would never happy anyway in this country).

405540 ▶▶ merlin, replying to petgor, 17, #1094 of 2134 🔗

Coerced to take an experimental gene therapy by government, 24/7 media propaganda and GP. The GP needs to be held to account.

405552 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to petgor, 12, #1095 of 2134 🔗

Your body, your choice. It’s as simple as that.

405615 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alethea, 3, #1096 of 2134 🔗

Yes, and it’s my mind too. I can think for myself. Not a popular trait nowadays.

405571 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to petgor, 6, #1097 of 2134 🔗

Firstly the much-trumpeted figures proclaiming success mean really very, very little without long-term context; which clearly they will not have yet. Pfizer’s 95% efficacy figure heralded in the MSM for weeks before Christmas – from 170 observed cases of covid-19 among trial participants, 162 of whom had received the placebo. So because only 8 volunteers who received the vaccine subsequently tested positive, they could claim (162/170) an efficacy of 95%.

Secondly – completely occur with the other replies here, make some kind of record of exactly who said what, and complain. formally, on record. Attempt to bypass total informed consent, at best, is a dereliction of NHS duty. It is also a violation of the Nuremberg principles (see recent vids posted here from Rachel Elnaugh, on Youtube, & Dr Coleman on Brandnewtube, if you haven’t already)

405771 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to petgor, 1, #1098 of 2134 🔗

Can your GP discuss your personal medical affairs with your wife?

405860 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to petgor, 2, #1099 of 2134 🔗

The first response and step should be: Wait for a vaccine.
At the moment, only experimental gene therapies are available.

405523 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #1100 of 2134 🔗

No leak. They asked the lab, they said no.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55996728

405544 ▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1101 of 2134 🔗

Funnily enough…

405591 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1102 of 2134 🔗

How reassuring, as we know China always report everything truthfully.

405775 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1103 of 2134 🔗

And they’ve only had a full year to prepare for the “investigation.” Nothing to see here…

405602 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1104 of 2134 🔗

They wouldn’t recognise journalism if it fucked them with a chainsaw.

405609 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1105 of 2134 🔗

I know I should care and maybe one day I will care again where this started but right now I no longer give a flying f*ck. Just stop with the lockdowns and dystopia, then we can all get our breath back and think. TBH, I’d be happy now to “let it rip” if that’s was all we could do. If one of the body bags is needed for my corpse, well so be it; I’m certainly not living now.
Of course we don’t have to let it rip, just shield the vulnerable.

405619 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -11, #1106 of 2134 🔗

Nuke China. Now.

405663 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to AidanR, 4, #1107 of 2134 🔗

delete

405774 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to AidanR, -5, #1108 of 2134 🔗

Downvotes from cucks who are evidently okay with China laying waste to the entire western word with total impunity.

405928 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to AidanR, #1109 of 2134 🔗

I rather hoped that would be Trump’s parting gesture.

405543 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 57, #1110 of 2134 🔗

Lockdown Tales of Everyday Sadism, no. 94

On my way to Waitrose last night, I called in (as I often do) at Pets At Home. I don’t have a pet at the moment, but I like to admire the Syrian hamsters, handsome white rats and occasional guinea pigs for sale.

It was 6.30 on a pitch-black evening in the snowy North. The hangar-like building was deserted except for two shop assistants and me.

I had just approached the glass tank occupied by two very small hamsters, when I became aware of importunate activity behind me. I turned round to see one the shop assistants, a young man of maybe 19 or 20, louring at me theatrically from a distance of several feet. ‘Can I help you?’ he asked, aggressively. ‘I just came to see the animals,’ I said. ‘We are discouraging people from buying them,’ he said. ‘Because they are not essential.’ I said, ‘I just want to look at them,’ and turned away. This provoked energetic gesticulations: ‘Can I ask you to stand back behind the line,’ he said. Automatically, I looked down and saw a yellow line on the ground, and stepped back behind it. But as it took me away from the tanks, I stepped back over it and said to him: ‘Why?’ ‘Can’t you see the signs?’ he said. I noticed placards all over the tanks at waist height: ‘To reduce risk of transmission, please do not touch or gather around the glass.’ ‘But I’m here on my own,’ I said. ‘Look: the shop is empty. I am alone. How can I be gathering when I’m here on my own?’

I am on my own nowadays almost every minute of my life.

He backed off before I could recommend looking up ‘gather’ in the OED. But I imagine that he had satisfied himself well enough. When ever in his life before has he been licensed to interfere with people in these ways – bossing them around, controlling their physical movements, condemning their desire to buy a pet? Did I remind him of a teacher at his school? His mother? Some other ordinary-looking 40-something woman in a big winter coat, on her own, doing no harm to anyone?

It took me some hours before I realised my mistake: I had indeed been gathering, with the dwarf hamsters. Two of them plus me: three living creatures. A gathering, a contagion risk, a moment of meeting.

405562 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Alethea, 15, #1111 of 2134 🔗

It was 6.30 on a pitch-black evening in the snowy North. The hangar-like building was deserted except for two shop assistants and me .”

Part of the problem right there – the devil makes “work” for idle hands.

405580 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Alethea, 28, #1112 of 2134 🔗

And you and the two hamsters were the only intelligent creatures in the shop.

405585 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Alethea, 18, #1113 of 2134 🔗

Beautiful writing – thankyou. I think you should return to the store and threaten to dob them in to RSPCA for animal cruelty unless they agree to sell you a dwarf hamster.

405618 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alethea, 17, #1114 of 2134 🔗

‘We are discouraging people from buying them,’ he said. ‘ Because they are not essential .’

I would have replied, “Selling your stock is essential to you getting your wages paid and food on your table, you moron!”

405648 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1115 of 2134 🔗

I like to think i’d have said “a hamster is more essential than any human i’ve observed over the last 11 months”.

Thanks for the story Alethea well done holding your ground!

406437 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Alethea, 2, #1116 of 2134 🔗

“An ordinary-looking 40 something” Don’t sound ordinary to me. Are you near Yorkshire? If not, great, I’ll enjoy breaking whatever to drive and see you. You, me and the hamsters could form a bubble.

405608 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #1118 of 2134 🔗

Good on them. Put in my little bit.

People like those cafe owners are what our society needs, the essence of an economy – not the brute who threw the punch, or Johnson, or Hancock, or Whitty or SAGE … They could disappear tomorrow, and for the good they do no one would notice. And in their hearts they know it, and it gnaws at them.

Incidentally, I wrote a sarky email to Geoffrey Cox MP this morning suggesting he also makes a contribution.

405713 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 3, #1119 of 2134 🔗

Ha ha. Cox the phoney conservative. People’s businesses suffering? Meh.

I had a reply from Cox but it was so bad I had to rip it up and throw it away lest I suffered an ‘episode,’ TJN. I couldn’t believe what he wrote. It was utterly insincere while attempting to sound sincere, and it was irrational. I could annihilate Cox in a debate on this, and yet this cretin sits in such a position. The letter contained at least 3 fallacies, and it wasn’t that long a letter. I wanted to take it apart line by line, but I had to leave it for the sake of my health.

406255 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1120 of 2134 🔗

Of course, he doesn’t reply to me any more. But the replies Mrs TJN and I used to receive were clearly almost entirely written by one of his administrative assistants, with little or no input from the Great Man himself. I used to take ‘his’ earlier letters apart line by line in my replies – it really wasn’t difficult.

He’s just not interested. After all, under the Register of Member’s Interests he’s earning nearly half a million quid a year for legal work. He’s unfit to sit in the Commons.

405548 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #1121 of 2134 🔗

Graham Hutchinson sharing some very interesting data from Florida (open Florida, of course). ‘Case’ rates falling and new positive ‘case’ rates dwindling to almost nothing, but deaths climbing again.
Graham tweets: “Florida Open. Just one metric going the wrong way -deaths.
@GovernorRon @BorisJohnson please review your vaccination policy for the old, frail and sick – happening everywhere.”

https://twitter.com/GRHutchinson/status/1359143972015394817

405564 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1122 of 2134 🔗

As lockdown zealots never tire of warning us, deaths usually lag cases by about 2 weeks so deaths should start falling soon. In any event, that graph doesn’t actually seem to show deaths “climbing”. Looks to me like the average is actually coming down.

405590 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Chicot, #1123 of 2134 🔗

Ditto – deaths not rising.

405555 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1124 of 2134 🔗

Hancock said up to 10 years for anyone lying about coming from Mutant Hotspot, wherever that is. Anyone think he is putting on a show for his global masters?

405572 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1125 of 2134 🔗

Surely this has to be voted on?
Was it from a Cabinet meeting?
The Coronavirus Act has to be debated every 6 months doesn,t it?

405578 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1126 of 2134 🔗

MPs have just been given yet more financial incentives not to rock the gravy train.

405594 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, #1127 of 2134 🔗

Wondered why mine finally voted for lockdown, what have they been given

405613 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1128 of 2134 🔗

How do you know that Cheezilla?

405588 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mikewaite, #1129 of 2134 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html Today in Parliament, not many of this governments ‘announcements’ go through Parliament

405597 ▶▶ merlin, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1130 of 2134 🔗

Only 10years?

405607 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, #1131 of 2134 🔗

Yes definitely

405626 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1132 of 2134 🔗

Does parliament even get a vote on this latest USSR-inspired measure? Do we even have a parliament any more?

405634 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to mattghg, 5, #1133 of 2134 🔗

It’s probably the only part of Britain that has proved itself to be genuinely non-essential over the last 11 months.

405662 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1134 of 2134 🔗

Stalin loved to hand out “tenners” too as the standard sentence for a non-crime.

405556 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 29, #1135 of 2134 🔗

Had my first bad experience over masks today.
At the bank I was met by Karen at the door. “I’m exempt, thank you.”

I move into the branch so I can pay in a cheque into one of their machines and get out ASAP. As I am doing that Karen starts wittering: “Why aren’t you wearing a lanyard? You can get one from your doctors.”

“I don’t need one,” I say.

I make a mistake with the machine. “Oh, I’ve put you off” says Karen.

“Look, I don’t want this rigmarole,” says I.

Karen doesn’t back off.
I finally finish and walk out giving Karen daggers and feeling really anxious and angry.

How is it that all these months on people do not know the law?

I want to write an email of complaint to the manager of that branch. Turns out you can’t. You tell their system you want to complain and someone may ring you back.

Aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhhhh!

405566 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #1136 of 2134 🔗

Which bank?

405568 ▶▶ thinkaboutit, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #1137 of 2134 🔗

You probably can write to the branch. Look up their postcode on the Royal Mail postcode finder and you’ll get their address. Just make the addressee The Bank Manager.

405579 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #1138 of 2134 🔗

If this happens again, I’d demand to see the manager there and then and insist that he reviews the government guidelines and then updates his door Karen on what the law actually is and how to deal with the public.

405593 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Chicot, 3, #1139 of 2134 🔗

I think Ed should write to the CEO. Email addresses can be easily found online. Tell them their staff member broke the law by following up after you said you were exempt.
I got a weak letter back from CEO’s office of Lloyd’s after receiving a text saying face coverings are essential. I had not been into the branch. Their defence was that exemptions are honoured in branches. Honoured means accepted at first response, not followed up with snide remarks about lanyards which people may *choose* to wear but are not required by the regulations.

405589 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #1140 of 2134 🔗

No point in emailing the monkey. The organ-grinder’s office will have an email address somewhere- inconvenience the CEO. Worked for me with- so far- SAGA and Tesco.

405629 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #1141 of 2134 🔗

I had no reply from the Sainsbury’s or the Morrisons CEO about their compliance with the Equality Act or Human Rights Act. (I forgot to mention the 1997 Protection from Harassment Act!)

I got the same response to a follow-up e-mail to Morrisons, i.e. nothing.

I haven’t used Tesco or Asda since 2019 so I didn’t bother.

A vague guess? Their internal legal advice has been that replying to an e-mail from someone who clearly knows the law might prove a hostage to fortune if a dispute ever arises and I sue them. So best to ignore my e-mails.

405598 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #1142 of 2134 🔗

You can get one from your doctors.”

This requires Trump level arrogance I feel:
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405603 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #1143 of 2134 🔗

Change banks to Nationwide. If push comes to shove with NBS, you can walk into their offices in Swindon and start flinging poop at everyone until your concerns are heard.

406287 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #1144 of 2134 🔗

Carry a few of these and you can hand one to a Karen with a suitably snide remark.

405559 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1146 of 2134 🔗

WHO releases Covid findings

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-concludes-coronavirus-came-animal-not-wuhan-lab

“Nothing to see here… return to your homes!”

405855 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1147 of 2134 🔗

3 Nobel prize winners and even the CIA now think otherwise.
I know who is more credible.

405587 Mark, replying to Mark, 38, #1148 of 2134 🔗

https://twitter.com/PaulJS2001/status/1359084645577547781

England, 2021. Police, dogs, beatings. Customers spilling out and legging it, in response to a police raid. On a gym.

Well done Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Gove. Proud of what you’ve turned your country into?

But hey, some Labour Party spokeswoman or similar scumbag will be along shortly to shout about some “brutality” in Russia or Hong Kong that you are supposed to get all excited about….

405599 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 18, #1149 of 2134 🔗

Yeah, weep for the plight of the Uighurs, while pointedly ignoring horrors in our own midst? Please fuck off.

405644 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to AidanR, 4, #1150 of 2134 🔗

Uighurs will be weeping for us soon!

405753 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, #1151 of 2134 🔗

I expect they have more sense.

405601 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #1152 of 2134 🔗

But yes Toby, Bedoyere and the rest of you respectability-seekers. We should be “compromising” with these people!

And while you are busy trying to negotiate back a little bit of your freedom in exchange for selling out the principle involved, others will be taking risks, beatings and fines for standing up for those most basic freedoms.

405694 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Mark, 2, #1153 of 2134 🔗

am puzzled Mark re your photo – you seem to have a mask on????

405785 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ElizaP, 10, #1154 of 2134 🔗

Ain’t me….

405605 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 6, #1155 of 2134 🔗

That police person swinging his weapon needs to be arrested, that was totally unprovoked

405620 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 5, #1156 of 2134 🔗

Scum. Look at the cowards coshing defenceless citizens who pose no threat. Envy of the world my arse.

405639 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1157 of 2134 🔗

If only the police would treat real criminals i.e burglars, robbers, rapists etc the same way as they treat ordinary people just trying to earn and paying the taxes needed to pay the polices salaries and generous pensions.

405628 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mark, 5, #1158 of 2134 🔗

Those boby’s fair love getting their baton out. Fucking thugs.

405655 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 13, #1159 of 2134 🔗

Well done Johnson, Hancock, Patel, Gove. Proud of what you’ve turned your country into?

Indeed. What a legacy. What a thoroughly horrible dystopian nightmare they have created.

405908 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to kh1485, 1, #1160 of 2134 🔗

If you’ve read or seen The Handmaids Tale then Gilead seems quite appealing.

405695 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Mark, 5, #1161 of 2134 🔗

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

-JFK

405604 davews, replying to davews, 26, #1162 of 2134 🔗

Chatting to chap at the end of the road and it drifted onto vaccines. When I mentioned I had heard reports of nasty side effects he piped up that his wife had had the AZ one at the weekend and then spent the rest of the weekend in bed with stomach pains. Every day more and more of these nasties come to light, why on earth are we hearing nothing of them in the media, they certainly are very real.
At least another reason to say ‘no’ when I get that phone call.

405616 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to davews, 14, #1163 of 2134 🔗

And these are just the short term effects. Medium and long term is yet to come. I think this might be one of the reasons our society is going to be in total lockdown with ever more stringent measures – to prevent a rebellion when this catastrophe really starts to kick in.

405621 ▶▶ merlin, replying to davews, 9, #1164 of 2134 🔗

The fireworks begin after the second dose

405750 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to merlin, 1, #1165 of 2134 🔗

So far, the fireworks are about 8 months late, so I’m not holding my breath.

405754 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to davews, 2, #1166 of 2134 🔗

So long as it doesn’t kill you immediately they don’t care about adverse reactions. They expect them and know that some number of people will die, but it’s the cost of doing business and they claim it’s for the “greater good.” Even the deaths are being “investigated” by the manufacturers so you can imagine how thorough that investigation will be. They will chalk up each death and disability to coincidence.

405795 ▶▶ Norman, replying to davews, 1, #1167 of 2134 🔗

I had exactly the same with my AZ last Friday and had an unpleasant day or so. I dismissed it as coincidence, but now I am not so sure.

405825 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 4, #1168 of 2134 🔗

Tell people to report it on the Yellow Card Scheme https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

405614 merlin, 22, #1169 of 2134 🔗

As hancock and co ratchet up the variant tales and increasingly ludicrous fines, punishments and restrictions, resisting the bull seems to be futile.

I would suggest renaming the site to lockdownzealots and get ahead of the curve. Maybe also a section on experimental gene therapies, fuck the adverse reactions and long term effects on fertility, as long as it saves one 100 year old from covid.

405622 nickbowes, 12, #1170 of 2134 🔗

The below video of the abuse against the gym guy and then the other clip showing the beating of the cafe owner by police in Manchester has left me reeling.

How can that happen here, tears for what we have lost

405623 rose, replying to rose, 20, #1171 of 2134 🔗

My MIL just phoned her doctors surgery about a new skin cancer on her face. The doctor just rang us to tell us to go and take a photo of MIL’s face and send the picture. .Great NHS.

405649 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rose, 9, #1172 of 2134 🔗

To be fair to the GP- and, believe me, after forty years of having to tiptoe around their arrogance and ignorance I have no reason to- s/he might be able to get a pretty good idea as to the nature of the lesion from a reasonably good photo.
However, I might think about asking your dentist to take a look at it- we’re every bit as up to speed as the quacks are about that kind of thing.

405693 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #1173 of 2134 🔗

I had to do this for my 88 year old father last autumn. To be fair, the doctor rang him about an hour later after she had seen the pictures and got him referred. He had an operation just before Christmas and it was all sorted out so please persist with this and make a fuss if necessary.

405740 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #1174 of 2134 🔗

I had an amazing dentist years ago who discovered a node in my neck during an exam. Never had a dentist feel around my neck like that and I was forever grateful that he pointed it out, and also for removing my mercury fillings. Great advice and I concur that sometimes a good photo might suffice. Some doctors are seeing patients here in Canada — my dad had some melanomas removed recently as telemedicine and dermatology won’t work in many cases.

405755 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1175 of 2134 🔗

That’s very gratifying to hear, Lisa- full head and neck exam at every dental checkup is essential. The discovery of an enlaged SCM lymph node, I mean, not the removal of amalgam fillings bit- we must respectfully acknowledge that we have a difference of opinion on that.

405652 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rose, 5, #1176 of 2134 🔗

Unless you’ve ‘got’ the Rona, at this stage you’re probably better off consulting Google.,

405660 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to rose, 4, #1177 of 2134 🔗

Standard procedure now, a relative of mind had this experience last year (pre-lockdown mind you). Be persistent and say you don’t have the facility or can’t get an adequate picture or something, they are obliged to offer you an alternative ie. in-person consultation.
Our Doc last year apparently was as annoyed at the system as many patients obviously are, saying it was by & large very difficult to make an accurate diagnosis for skin complaints at the best of times, even with significant experience, and that it just meant they often spent more time on the phone & tied up with useless admin, but they were obliged to offer phone consultations in the first instance.

405637 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 22, #1178 of 2134 🔗

I woke up this morning with this image in mind: BoJo hanging in a harness on a zip line during London Olympics 2012. I don’t know why I remembered it today, but it somehow demonstrates so beautifully his uselessness, his profound stupidity, and opportunism, lack of empathy, but most of all, the fact that he is a hopeless puppet in strings that someone else is pulling to get the UK where they want it to be – part of global empire in form of the biosecurity state.

405707 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Pebbles, 9, #1179 of 2134 🔗

He’s an absolute wanker.

405709 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Pebbles, 7, #1180 of 2134 🔗

Hanging by the neck is what’s needed, not by a b… harness.

405814 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Annie, 5, #1181 of 2134 🔗

Or upside down by his bollocks.

405746 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Pebbles, 7, #1182 of 2134 🔗

What disappointed me so much was the rush of supposedly intelligent people to applaud him becoming PM and winning a commons majority.

Some of us knew all along that his spinal flexibilty, his wandering penis and his utter lack of seriousness would land us in trouble.

I know it’s in the Graun, but Max Hastings was absolutely right about him. Some could see it and yet many chose to ignore it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

At one time, the fact that he was funny and irreverent was his saving grace. He doesn’t even have that any more.

405969 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to AidanR, #1183 of 2134 🔗

Honestly I have never ever bought into his schtick. He has always made me feel profoundly uneasy; from his stage name of ‘Boris’ to his casual passing relationship with honesty.
His ‘humour’ has always struck me as a useful tool for deflection and to disarm. He’s like the funny uncle you only see at Christmas who trots out bizarre strangled metaphors and where everyone indulgently rolls their eyes and titter and say: Oh Boris, what are we going to do with you!
He certainly has a large helping of animal cunning perfectly suited to politics (I apologise to animals), but he is a ghastly human being.

405783 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Pebbles, 3, #1184 of 2134 🔗

Isn’t the Tower of London pretty empty these days?

405937 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Pebbles, 1, #1185 of 2134 🔗

If I had a time machine I would go back with a pair of wire cutters.

405960 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Pebbles, #1186 of 2134 🔗

… but there are lots who voted for him.

A reflection of the crowd?

405638 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1187 of 2134 🔗

Hamitup looks as if he’s barely suppressing glee in that top photo. One gets the impression he was grinning like Bill Gates just before going through the door.

405684 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1188 of 2134 🔗

That smirking face of his. I’d love to punch it repeatedly.

405688 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Nymeria, 6, #1189 of 2134 🔗

Oh please – and, quite frankly, if you/anyone literally killed him I “Know nowt/see nowt/say nowt” and I’ll go off and celebrate.

405945 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1190 of 2134 🔗

The list of whom I would like to punch repeatedly grows longer by the day.

405949 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1191 of 2134 🔗

Yeah it’s a long list now!

405942 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1192 of 2134 🔗

Throughout he always seems to me as though he’s treating the whole thing like some ‘jolly jape’. If you broke him in two ‘Narcissist’ would be written through him like a stick of rock.
He is also the walking definition of thick as two short planks.

405640 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 17, #1193 of 2134 🔗

Destabilisation and dishonesty – the government can’t stop lying. We have no plans to…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9240653/Vaccinated-Brits-given-scannable-QR-codes-allow-travel-abroad.html

The comments are worth a look. The number of people saying that this is not about a virus now.

405657 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to this is my username, 5, #1194 of 2134 🔗

No worries, the editors, 77B, and bots will be there to remove and downvote the problem comments posthaste.

405698 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to awildgoose, 15, #1195 of 2134 🔗

And filling up the comments with the usual garbage, for instance this:

Good. I would be infuriated if I got stuck having to sit next to a selfish anti-Vaxxer on a plane. If you don’t want to protect yourself or others, sit at home with your stubborn, uneducated self and watch the decent human beings get back to enjoying life again.

77th Brigade must be having some kind of sweepstake. How many lies can you fit into 100 words or less?

405952 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 1, #1196 of 2134 🔗

I think this quote could be improved:

I would be infuriated if I got stuck having to sit next to a selfish covid maniac on a plane. If you don’t want to remain human, sit at home with your stubborn, uneducated self and watch the decent human beings get back to enjoying life again.

405651 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 27, #1197 of 2134 🔗

This breaks my heart. My mum is, or at least was, very active, going out with friends for lunch at least twice a week, going out to dos or on trips with her ‘Red Hat Ladies’ group, going on trips with friends, round friends’ houses to play cards…She put my social life to shame, and I’m no hermit. I know she’s not afraid of her own company, and quite enjoys time alone, but she’s putting on a front here. I know she is. It breaks my heart.

This must be happening all over the country. Countless previously active elderly people reduced to comparative loneliness. Look what these contemptible tyrants have done to our mums and dads, our elderly.

As God is my witness, I will *never* forgive these sociopathic criminals.

405667 ▶▶ Paul, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #1198 of 2134 🔗

So sad,she’s definitely putting on a front for you,I would say she is depressed,surely someone can’t go from having a busy,enjoyable social life to enjoy being alone ?.
So much has been taken from so many for so little reason,I too will never,ever forget what has been done.
I was talking to an old chap the other day,his interest in life is competing in Sheepdog trials with his Border Collies and he is sadly resigned to the fact that such events may never restart.

405675 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Paul, 11, #1199 of 2134 🔗

It’s disgraceful and unforgivable, Paul. Those responsible ought to be up on multiple charges. There’s no question.

405682 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #1200 of 2134 🔗

Sad indeed – and I’d guess she’s putting on a front too. But I do think we need to tell it like it is – as part of having any chance at all of getting Normal back again. So – my take is that I tell it exactly like it is and that means “I would LOVE to kick Hancock’s self-satisfied little face in and walk all over Professor Pantsdown’s little face. It would give me HUGE satisfaction to do so”. I am fed-up to the back teeth and beyond with having damn nearly all my social life missing. I WILL not ‘hold out and wait’ much longer for Normal to come back again – and, believe me, I damn well will continue to expect Normal back and no-one/but no-one will ever convince me to accept one iota of things being different to Normal. I do not do New Normal and never will. I would absolutely LOVE to slap everyone across the face (hard!) that I know personally that is going along with all this nonsense”. I think that’s blunt enough/no room for thinking I will ever accept this.

405708 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 3, #1201 of 2134 🔗

I’ll kick while you walk and walk while you kick.

405919 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to ElizaP, 1, #1202 of 2134 🔗

just shoot the fuckers – they don’t deserve to survive this!

405731 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #1203 of 2134 🔗

Same with my mother… bowls club closed, library closed, no darts team, no lunches at the local gallery etc…

She’s putting on a brave face, but social muscles – just like the meat kind – need exercise or they will atrophy never to return, and what keeps her vital is sorely missing from her life.

405779 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1204 of 2134 🔗

I wish I was like your Mum who is putting on a brave face for you. I feel like I should be more like that for my sons (adults) but I just can’t. They ask me how I am and my response is usually “shit, there is no other way to be”. I have less time left on this shitty planet than them, I spend hours just wondering what their future is going to be like. Your Mum maybe more stoic than you imagine, certainly if she anything like my 85 year old mil. This doesn’t change the fact though that what this government is doing is downright evil.

405837 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Hellonearth, 2, #1205 of 2134 🔗

Bless your heart. I wish I could say something profound and inspiring to lift your spirits, but I can’t.

I supppse I could say, ‘Chin up, mate, it’ll all be over soon,’ but if I did I’d be a) one of ‘them,’ and b) full of shit.

405658 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 32, #1206 of 2134 🔗

At yesterday’s press briefing, Jonathan Van Tam, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, referred to “the modelling data” – this misuse of the language cannot have been an error. Indeed, Patrick Valance, the government’s senior scientific advisor, immediately prior to lockdown version two, stated in a press briefing, “The modelling, that’s the data we’re looking at.” The government and its experts have from the outset pretended that the outcomes of computer models are facts. This mendacious use of language has informed every aspect of the discourse. Every key word has been used to refer to something it does not denote. And all these vocabulary “errors” have been consistent and in the same fear-mongering direction. Yet the corporate media journalists, instead of pointing out these falsifications, have reproduced them as though they are beyond question or criticism, and accused anyone who has criticised the propaganda of pushing dangerous misinformation. A classic illustration of projection if ever there was one.

405661 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1207 of 2134 🔗

That’s what the government bases it’s policy’s on now modelling all modelling

405668 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to pvenkman, 2, #1208 of 2134 🔗

Yes, even the claims about the new variants are not based on empirical evidence, but are merely the results of computer modelling: a fact that they are completely silent about.

405685 ▶▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1209 of 2134 🔗

Modelling is the equivalent of crystal ball gazing and ouija boards.

405706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Kat, 11, #1210 of 2134 🔗

It isn’t REAL. The misery is REAL. The destruction is REAL. The wicked cruelty is REAL. All based on something that isn’t REAL.

405715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Kat, 1, #1211 of 2134 🔗

I would trust those more.

405936 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, #1212 of 2134 🔗

We are being imprisoned based on guesses.

405680 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1213 of 2134 🔗

Modelling data is an oxymoron.

405705 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leggy, 3, #1214 of 2134 🔗

It is lying.

405950 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1215 of 2134 🔗

No. It’s modelling. Perfectly valid – as long as you uderstand what it is.

405954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1216 of 2134 🔗

Modelling is arrogant speculation .

405718 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1217 of 2134 🔗

Same as climate science. The temperature anomalies are a model. You can’t get that level of precision from the source data and values are also estimated and filled in.

A “trick” is used that is often taught in statistics classes without seeing the context. It’s called the Standard Error of the Mean and it has the Central Limit Theorem as its foundation.

Basically you can sample a large population using small samples if they are independent and you can determine the spread of each sample and show they have the same distribution shape.

You can then take the means of all the samples, average them and the error is 1 / sqrt(N) samples.

Sounds brilliant? And it is when it’s heights or bottles or any discrete object.

But not so much when you have a precision of +/- 1 degrees C but you are trying to look at the spread being 0.1 or 0.2 degrees C max. Then it’s just tea leaves and noise so to do any kind of study you have to ASSUME (not demonstrate) that the reported temperature value is the actual value and that any variation already follows a distribution.

Then you can create a hypothetical temperature and use it to test models etc.

Nothing to do with reality but keeps many people on the gravy train.

405770 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mhcp, 4, #1218 of 2134 🔗

This is, of course, the reason why they do not present the average global temperature on a standard graph. If they did, it would look like a flat line: and no one would be jumping up and down emoting about global warming.

405778 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1219 of 2134 🔗

Ah yes, playing with the scale of the axes and the divisions therein are one of the oldest and simplest tricks in the book!

405776 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to mhcp, 3, #1220 of 2134 🔗

The filling in of missing data is especially suspect when you consider that it is done on the basis of gridding the earth’s surface. The grid squares are 1200km on a side. Imagine inferring the temperature of a spot based on the temperature measured 1200km away.

405953 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, #1221 of 2134 🔗

Same as climate science.

No it’s not. Stop riding irrelevant hobby horses – it just diffuses the issues.

406042 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to RickH, 1, #1222 of 2134 🔗

Yawn

405762 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1223 of 2134 🔗

Modelling can create an, “output.”

The model and its output can be tweaked and teased to produce whatever result is desired.

They cannot create data.

How have such utterly thick people accumulated this much power?

405781 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1224 of 2134 🔗

They are neither thick nor ignorant. They know the outcomes of computer models are not data. But they say it anyway.

405930 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1225 of 2134 🔗

Because the greater part of their ‘audience’ are even thicker.

405940 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1226 of 2134 🔗

The government and its experts have from the outset pretended that the outcomes of computer models are facts .”

Absolutely spot on. Which would be moderated if they also paid attention to real data. But, of course, they don’t, so the fictions get further and further from reality, and the ‘data’ and the ‘science’ then becomes what is constructed from fictional models.

… and the incompetent Ferguson is elevated as a guru, no matter what nonsense he invents.

405659 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 11, #1227 of 2134 🔗

“Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers”
I haven’t got a theme tune, but I propose a book

Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. Mackay 1841
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

Obvious, it needs a substantial update.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.58938

405717 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #1228 of 2134 🔗

An update which was provided by Douglas Murray…

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Madness-Crowds-Gender-Race-Identity/dp/1472959957

He’s already updated that book once to include men in dresses, and I’ve no doubt he’s currently working on a further update (or a further book) about covinsanity.

405664 nic, #1229 of 2134 🔗

Some great anti lockdown wear on the internet iv orders some ant llockdown t shires and hoodies we shud all do this and put our feelings out in the open,

405674 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 31, #1230 of 2134 🔗

“Travellers who lie about whether they have been to mutant Covid hotspots face up to TEN YEARS in prison as Hancock unveils brutal border curbs with all arrivals needing to take THREE tests – and thousands of hotel rooms ready for quarantine from Monday”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9239735/Travellers-arriving-UK-face-TWO-Covid-tests-self-isolate-quarantine-proposals.html#newcomment

Well folks, it’s really starting to look like it might be time to seek political asylum from the British totalitarian regime.

I’m thinking of nabbing a dinghy from some North Africans. “It’s all yours boys, ta-ra!”

405725 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to GrannySlayer, 8, #1231 of 2134 🔗

Quite, why on earth would anyone with half a brain want to come to the UK at the moment? Could they make it any less inviting?

405729 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Liz F, 17, #1232 of 2134 🔗

At this rate there will soon be reports of Brits on dinghies trying to cross the North Sea to Sweden!

405743 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to smithey, 7, #1233 of 2134 🔗

Good idea. Where do I sign up?

406081 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to smithey, #1234 of 2134 🔗

If their navy picks you up, taxis you in and they give you free dental treatment, I’m in!

405787 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to GrannySlayer, 14, #1235 of 2134 🔗

Hancock is really coming across as the Dictator in Chief. I don’t listen to him but I get the drift. He sounds as if he thinks he’s the Home Secretary, the Foreign Secretary and the Health Secretary rolled into one deeply offensive blob.
He’s not qualified to be Health Secretary in any way, and I doubt if he’s got any suitable GCSE that qualifies him for any other Office of State either.

405804 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Banjones, 18, #1236 of 2134 🔗

Remember Eichman, one of the main organisers of the holocaust. A boring, grey, dull witted little man, no sense of humour, no original thought, a lifelong bureaucrat through and through, the sort of chap one might find in charge of parking fines or clipboard procurement.

That’s who Hancock reminds me of. As dangerous a man as it’s possible to find. The banality of evil, as Arendt called it. She wasn’t wrong.

405818 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1237 of 2134 🔗

Eichmann was competent.

405840 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1238 of 2134 🔗

A small black moustache wouldn’t look out of place on Hancock’ upper lip…

405923 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1239 of 2134 🔗

I think your point is applicable to far more characters than Eichmann. It’s often the characterless and talentless that are represented in the monster class.

405802 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1240 of 2134 🔗

Yup
time to leave it to the Dothraki horde

405817 ▶▶ xplod, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1241 of 2134 🔗

Probably get less of a sentence for bumping him off!!

405678 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 13, #1242 of 2134 🔗

https://twitter.com/jengleruk/status/1359087240064991234?s=20

Have just seen this. Hope it hasn’t already been posted. It is taken from the Sage minutes December 2020 and talks about cycle thresholds and the likelihood of infection.

 The government and Sage have known about this all along.

405710 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Margaret, 16, #1243 of 2134 🔗

And in the latest ONS survey which has Ct values in the associated dataset, 75% of positive tests in the England part of the survey have a Ct value over 27.

If viable transmission is below a Ct value of 25 (as per the Sage minutes) this indicates about 3 out of 4 supposed ‘infections’ in the survey are really people having one quarter of an amount or less of virus than would be needed for viable transmission.

So most are fabricated infections by deduction.

405756 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #1244 of 2134 🔗

Interesting to see that the Ct values have increased over the months, if I read the data correctly. This means that not only are they doing vastly more tests but they are having to screw every ounce of sensitivity out of the tests to get them to register positives. Perhaps this is a practical demonstration of how to get a second wave out of thin air.

405801 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1245 of 2134 🔗

What do the headings ’25th percentile, 50th percentile’ etc. mean?

405893 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jb12, #1246 of 2134 🔗

If you imagine a scale from 0-100 percent, a percentile value is the proportion of a given population falling below that level.

Thus the 50th percentile represents the value where half a population will fulfil the criterion – i.e it is the median value.

406079 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, #1247 of 2134 🔗

Right, thanks. So how does that relate to the CT values beneath?

405885 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1248 of 2134 🔗

That’s really interesting information, Freecumbria. It certainly gives a quantitive perspective on the fraudulence of the ‘cases’ mythology.

I reckon that anyone trying to establish actual transmissibility would probably be using an upper limit of Ct=20.

405681 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 22, #1249 of 2134 🔗

I am sad to admit that I am having ‘the vaccine’ on Thursday. I have been unswerving in my protests about not having it in spite of pressure from family and friends but as soon as they started mentioning “vaccine passports”, I had to give in.
I am 76 & have an incurable rare disease which affects my muscles & lungs so I’m pretty vulnerable! However, my daughter & grandsons live in the French Alps & because of all the nonsense we have not seen them for 20 months ( thank goodness for FaceTime). So we have planned 2 trips to France in our ancient Motorhome to see them (& also visit our favourite spots on the Cote d’Azure!). I am not optimistic about our trips & now confronted by another possible obstacle, I feel I have to submit to having “ the jab” Ugh.
Do any of you remember Spike Milligan wanting to have written on his gravestone “I told you I was ill”( or words to that effect). ? I have told my husband that my epitaph will be “ I told you I didn’t want the effing vaccine “ ! 🥲

405690 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cathnotchas, 3, #1250 of 2134 🔗

*Fingers crossed*

405692 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cathnotchas, 3, #1251 of 2134 🔗

Let us know how the stab goes ?

405697 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cathnotchas, 24, #1252 of 2134 🔗

Completely understand your reasons. However, if it were me I would wait til the very last minute that you have to get it. As it stands right now you aren’t even allowed to go. If you intend to break those rules you could still do so with a PCR test. I wouldn’t submit until you absolutely have to. Even a few months could increase the safety of the vac or point strongly from one to another…

As a vulnerable member I expect you’ll be able to go back to the NHS at any point with your tail between your legs and submit to the almight vac.

405728 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1253 of 2134 🔗

Problem with that is, my second jab is 30 April & our first trip is planned for 20th May. Not very long to recover from any after effects & prepare for journey.
Our second trip is end August/September, bit more optimistic about that one ( if I last that long – the bad Covid might get me before then!!).
As an alternative to the first trip we have booked 2 weeks on campsites in Cotswolds, no deposit . But we are Francophiles & camping in this country is just not the same.
We shall see ………!

405786 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #1254 of 2134 🔗

Not ideal, doesn’t help your timeline that they’ve gone off the manufactures guidelines by a factor of 4 lol.

I can understand how the thought of the Cotswolds doesn’t quite cut it.

Good luck I guess whatever you decide!

405832 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #1255 of 2134 🔗

“Under current UK COVID-19 restrictions, you must stay at home. You must not travel, including abroad, unless you have a legally permitted reason to do so. It is illegal to travel abroad for holidays and other leisure purposes. ”

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

You’d better hope they lift this restriction.

I have a trip booked for early May, but I’m waiting for it to be formally cancelled so i can apply for a refund.
I don’t expect the travel restrictions are going to be lifted any time soon.

405906 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, #1256 of 2134 🔗

Yes I totally agree your view

405699 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cathnotchas, 11, #1257 of 2134 🔗

I appreciate both your position and your honesty about it.
Very best wishes.

405701 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1258 of 2134 🔗

When do you think you will be legally allowed to go on holiday?

405788 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1259 of 2134 🔗

Who knows?? Depends what the idiots cook up for us between now and summer.So far we’ve only paid €50 deposit ( carried over from last year when we had to cancel). We won’t book Eurotunnel / Ferry / Insurance till the last minute.

405711 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cathnotchas, #1260 of 2134 🔗

Do you have any information on how the vaccine might affect people with the same disease as you?

405759 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to Julian, 1, #1261 of 2134 🔗

I belong to a very good, informative website for my illness. Have been surprised at how enthusiastic most people have been about the ‘vaccine’ and many have already had it & seem to be mostly ok so far but it’s early days & some seem more concerned about the second dose, not sure why?

406082 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cathnotchas, #1262 of 2134 🔗

In the trials, the people reported that the adverse effects were worse after the second dose.

405716 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Cathnotchas, 6, #1263 of 2134 🔗

It’s entirely your decision, you don’t owe anyone an explanation.

405765 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to pvenkman, 2, #1264 of 2134 🔗

Except that sometimes it helps to talk about it.

405772 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to pvenkman, #1265 of 2134 🔗

Agree

405719 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Cathnotchas, 12, #1266 of 2134 🔗

At least ask lots of questions when they explain the side-effects, some I can think of are:

a) Is this a traditional vaccine or gene therapy? How does it work?
b) Has gene therapy ever been tried on this scale before?
c) What are the long term side effects?
d) Can I hold you personally responsible for any side effects?
e) If not, who can I hold responsible?
f) How many people have you “vaccinated”? How many of them had any side effects?
e) Has it been tested on people with a rare disease that effects the lungs and muscles?

I’d be interested to know the answers or what they actually tell you about it.

(EXPECTED ANSWERS: Gene Therapy, no, unknown, no, don’t know, I’ve not been keeping count / no, no)

405724 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #1267 of 2134 🔗

I completely understand why you are having the vaccine. Fingers crossed it all passes off without incident. My mother, 82 is fine after the AZ my stepfather 91 fine after the Pfizer; first jabs respectively.

405738 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #1268 of 2134 🔗

Get the jab just before your trip, then as least if you kark it you won’t be in this shithole.

405742 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cathnotchas, 12, #1269 of 2134 🔗

Vaccine or not you won’t be going to France this year unless something major happens.A new variant will appear and you will need a booster in the autumn.Listen to what they are telling us.

405758 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1270 of 2134 🔗

Odds are you’ll be fine. You’re being very brave – not a quitter. But then you’ve just got to hope that this bunch will allow us out of prison, or that the bunch over the water will allow us into THEIR prison.

I hope so, I really do. I used to be such an optimist, a real Pollyanna. They’ve certainly knocked that nonsense out of me.

You WILL be fine – keep taking the vitamin D and zinc!

405819 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1271 of 2134 🔗

Unfortunately, that’s how they force you to comply, i.e. you won’t get your life back unless you submit.
I truly, deeply hate this, but I do understand.

405831 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #1272 of 2134 🔗

If you do decide to have it, do go to UK Medical Freedom Alliance and print the consent sheet and do get them to sign it. Without a signature, your family can’t sue in case anything goes wrong and you have adverse reactions. This is extremely important: https://www.ukmedfreedom.org

At this point, the vaccine won’t make you exempt from anything, not the tests, not the quarantine, because “there could be a new variant lurking around the corner”, and for that matter, “no one knows if you will still transmit the virus after being vaccinated”.

Any coronavirus vaccine is a false messianic hope that was always going to be the freedom carrot on the stick dangling in front of your face… only that you’d never reach it and pay the highest possible price: sovereignty over your body and unforeseen health consequences. They are LIARS. Don’t ever forget that. They will give you your jab and lock you up anyway.

By the way, I do understand where you come from. I have family in Europe and I am devastated.

405850 ▶▶ rose, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1273 of 2134 🔗

My partner says he’s having it so he can travel. I asked him to wait for everyone to have second jab or/and until he end of the experiment or/and until we know if we really will need vaccine passports. I will never be travelling again vax passports will be required

405852 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to rose, 2, #1274 of 2134 🔗

We live on an island. There’s not much they can do about you not travelling if you’re creative.

405873 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #1275 of 2134 🔗

Don’t feel apologetic. Absolutes – except in very few specific instances – are the realm of the fanatic.

405938 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #1276 of 2134 🔗

Getting poisoned is a personal choice and no one elses business, if you feel its the right thing to do good luck to you.

406060 ▶▶ Tattersall, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #1277 of 2134 🔗

How depressing. Two people I know got vaccinated on Saturday for the very same reason – because of the rumours of “vaccine passports” being required in order to travel abroad. It shows the Government’s tactics of spreading these rumours are working. People are so simple-minded.
In reality, it’s unlikely (though not impossible) that they will be required. Too many snags. Here are a few:
1. Which vaccine would you be required to have had? There are going to be so many, and some are already being reported as of limited efficacy.
2. For decades European governments, particularly ours, while secretly encouraging illegal immigration, have pretended that it’s impossible to stop. How would that square with demanding all incomers be vaccinated? This would be a very awkward problem.
3. How would hoteliers, many of them powerful, influential figures, in countries such as Spain and France etc like it if their governments were preventing the entry of tourists?
4. Legal objections.

406130 ▶▶▶ Tattersall, replying to Tattersall, 1, #1278 of 2134 🔗

There’s also the objection relating to children and young people. Would they make vaccine passports for them? Just to go to France or Spain? Would they be de facto coerced into having a vaccine for a disease that in real terms is no danger to them at all? Can’t see that happening. Bad enough for 25-year-olds, but little children? They could possibly make it so that there are exceptions for children. But then again, that would mean admitting that children don’t spread Covid. Teaching unions wouldn’t like that! Bah. No. Too many problems for vaccine passports to be viable.

405687 smithey, replying to smithey, 19, #1279 of 2134 🔗

Can anybody explain why if someone tests positive for Covid 19 and then gets run over by a car and killed the next day this is effectively recorded as a Covid 19 death but if someone has a Covid vaccine and then gets run over by a car and killed the next day this is not recorded as a vaccine death?

405691 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to smithey, 10, #1280 of 2134 🔗

Because “the science”. No doubt the poor sod who has the misfortune to get run over the day after having the vaccine, wasn’t sciencing. or something. 🙂

405722 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to smithey, 12, #1281 of 2134 🔗

I would be happy to explain this to you. You see it’s all about the car and it’s driver. In the first scenario, the car was travelling in reverse and was driven by the Government, so, in effect, COVID got there first and the poor sod who was run over was already dead. In the second scenario, the car was driven recklessly by a maniac pleb in a forwards direction, so it was obviously just a coincidence that the poor sod who was run over had a vaccine the day before. It’s just takes a bit of logic to work these thing out. I hope that helps.

406076 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1282 of 2134 🔗

Depends if the driver is wearing a face nappy.

405723 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to smithey, 8, #1283 of 2134 🔗

The next day?! Even if you drop dead 25 minutes after taking the ‘vaccine’, it wasn’t the ‘vaccine’ wot dun it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9237735/Man-70s-collapses-dies-just-25-minutes-receiving-COVID-19-vaccine-NYC.html

405826 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to smithey, 2, #1284 of 2134 🔗

Because one suits the government narrative and the other one doesn’t.Its that simple

405735 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 29, #1285 of 2134 🔗

Surely people who have bad jab reactions won’t step forward for the second dose? That would be an interesting statistic to watch – % uptake of 2nd dose. I know one person (in a vulnerable health group) who had it and was knocked for six – temperature, fatigue, terrible nausea, knocked out for 5 days. She won’t have the second dose and is advising everyone against it completely. I know lots of people who had no reaction, just for the sake of balance. I told her to report it on the MHRA yellow card scheme, which she’d never heard of. Now I put it to you that most people won’t know about this so the adverse events must be significantly underreported.

Why are people not given details of the yellow card scheme with their vaccination card? Anyone with a brain knows this is still the trial phase, so how are they going to know the true outcomes of the trial if they’re just jabbing with zero carefully controlled follow-up? Why do people not realise they’re in a trial when the “scientists” openly say things like “oh we’re still waiting on data to see if it stops transmission” – that’s data from you, the bloody guinea pig! Did the gap between doses get stretched to 12 weeks from 3 to try and hide the surge in adverse events/deaths? Will the second round of jabs be used as an excuse to lock down again if that also results in a surge in deaths conveniently pinned on Covid? I’m not someone who believes there’s intent to harm, but I think there’s certainly a willingness to tolerate collateral damage from the vaccine programme; will anyone be comparing the VFR to the IFR I wonder? So many questions…

Like a lot of sceptics I was caught up for a long time in the numbers, the crazy modelling, the inconsistencies, the graphs that make no statistical sense (cases graph being a particular trigger for my rage), the PCR issues, the “but Sweden”. Lately I’ve just stepped back and realised – the horror of what has been done can’t be undone with a few graphs. Or any sort of logic. Guess I’ll just keep chipping away at my useless MP. This weeks topic is definitely going to be the police state and escalating criminalisation of ordinary people.

405749 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fear is Finite, 11, #1286 of 2134 🔗

I’d like to think you’re right about people learning their lesson after the first one. But they seem to be so brainwashed! I’ve heard more than one or two, who’ve been quite poorly, saying ”Ah well, I’ll be better before the next one….”
Couldn’t you just scream?

Yes – the yellow card thing. I didn’t know about it till a rellie who is a retired nurse explained how it’s always worked. Yet NOW is the time it should be brought to the public’s attention. But it won’t be, because it’ll work against the peddlers of this poison should word get out about reporting EVERY symptom.

405858 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Banjones, 4, #1287 of 2134 🔗

How does the saying go? Fool poison me once, shame on you; fool poison me twice, shame on me.

405764 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #1288 of 2134 🔗

Write to your MP? Well mine is a total twunt. Check out the bullshit she is posting on her twatter feed.:
https://twitter.com/Laura__Farris

405853 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1289 of 2134 🔗

Mine is Mims Davies, fancies herself an employment minister. Oh how I laughed… Parachuted into a safe Tory seat when Soames left, so I assume she has her eye on the prize. It only makes me write to her more. Futile but hopefully annoying.

406033 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1290 of 2134 🔗

Our MP is a complete waste of space whose only contribution to public life has been to preside over a 1992 majority of nearly 30,000 to one of just over 2k at the last General Election. I know people who know him, including people who work in his constituency office; and he flatly refuses to talk about the present situation to anybody at all. I sincerely hope, after he announces- as he will- that he’ll not be standing at the next GE- if there ever is one- that the lard in his coronary arteries kills him in very short order, and spares the taxpayers’ purse the cost of any ermine robes and a lavish lifestyle in retirement.

406073 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1291 of 2134 🔗

Beyond hope!

405739 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 39, #1292 of 2134 🔗

I’ve just been listening to Katie Hopkins reciting the litany of manipulations we’ve been put through since last March.
This so-called government keeps coming up with such obvious tripe as excuses for more punishment that any other organisation would be embarrassed to allow their members to serve up such transparent tosh. It’s thinly disguised coercion….. no, not even ”thinly disguised” any more. They don’t care how obviously coercive it is.
This bunch is truly sinister. Anyone who can’t see that….

405752 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, 14, #1293 of 2134 🔗

Totally agree.
I don’t get it either why Toby Young still doesn’t see it, and thinks it’s incompetence.

405763 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, 11, #1294 of 2134 🔗

He sees it alright

405806 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to LMS2, 12, #1295 of 2134 🔗

He’s actually Establishment don’t forget ! He has gone out on a limb with LS , he has shown thinking people the way forward that only someone with his skills could do ! The pressure on him must be immense ! If he breaks cover too early he will be destroyed ! The Guy is a legend even if he packs it in tomorrow 😇

405866 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1296 of 2134 🔗

He’s just a human.

405815 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 5, #1297 of 2134 🔗

Perhaps he just SAYS it’s incompetence – lip service and all that. That’ll do for me so long as it keeps this site alive.

405871 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 1, #1298 of 2134 🔗

and thinks it’s incompetence” Where has he said this? The government are obviously incompetent, just as well, but they are many things as well as incompetent. Deceitful, arrogant, vain, wicked. I doubt TY thinks they are playing with a straight bat, which would be partly implied by “incompetence”.

405748 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 21, #1299 of 2134 🔗

“In country after country and state after state we got “masks flattened the curve!” in the first half of 2020, and then in the fall, with mask compliance higher than ever and the numbers worse than before…total silence.

They can’t possibly admit that none of it has worked, that the virus has its way regardless of our feeble interventions. They can’t admit that they depleted people’s savings, caused millions of avoidable deaths, and ruined people’s lives for nothing.

So it always has to be: the numbers came down because of our wise policies.

When the numbers skyrocket, with those same policies still in effect or even increased in severity, that’s supposed to be the fault of the vanishingly small percentage of noncompliant folks.”

https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/iowacurve?e=8e86beb5bb

405751 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 16, #1300 of 2134 🔗

Or perhaps it’s all going according to plan….

405761 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Banjones, 11, #1301 of 2134 🔗

I think it is going to plan, but I bet they wished it had some effect. There is effectively no difference between those that imposed draconian measures and those that didn’t. Barring 1984 cencorship it is unjustifiable.

405810 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to LMS2, 10, #1302 of 2134 🔗

‘They can’t possibly admit that none of it has worked, that the virus has its way regardless of our feeble interventions. They can’t admit that they depleted people’s savings, caused millions of avoidable deaths, and ruined people’s lives for nothing.’

Alas, even this site is distancing itself from that claim. Which is odd, because it is demonstrably true.

405760 alw, replying to alw, 33, #1303 of 2134 🔗

Ten years in prison should be enough to convince even the most ardent Covidistas that this has long since been about the virus. It is a blatant power grab which isnt going to end well. Expect civil disobedience and riots across the world particularly in the northern hemisphere this coming summer.

405777 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 14, #1304 of 2134 🔗

So many of the comments in the Daily Fail, are scathing and making the comparison to how illegal migrants coming over in dinghies are being treated.

405872 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jinks, 4, #1305 of 2134 🔗

Dinghy people are special, and can’t be bothered with silly masks, ineffective jabs, and useless quarantine!

405780 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to alw, 8, #1306 of 2134 🔗

Can’t we start now 🤔

405796 ▶▶ smithey, replying to alw, 9, #1307 of 2134 🔗

Agreed. Surely people will soon start asking why the government is treating decent hard working citizens worse than they treat common criminals.

405808 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, 7, #1308 of 2134 🔗

Only when the internet goes off and Amazon stop delivering.

405822 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, 7, #1309 of 2134 🔗

Just perhaps – they don’t see there’s much difference. We’re only peasants, after all.

405809 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to alw, 6, #1310 of 2134 🔗

We can but hope.

405878 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to alw, 5, #1311 of 2134 🔗

words fail me on this blatant power grab by weasel wankcock – please will someone teleport me off this ridiculous little island.

405931 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to alw, 1, #1312 of 2134 🔗

Actually i think part of the reason for it was to stop civil unrest (France 2019/20 for instance) protests were popping up every where pre-covid. And sadly it seems to be working.

405769 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 21, #1313 of 2134 🔗

Just had to post this, from the latest local Neighbourhood Watch bulletin:

Police reveal outrageous excuses used for breaching Covid legislation

Sussex Police have revealed some of the outrageous excuses people have provided for breaching Covid legislation.
In the past week, the force has received 776 Covid related calls with the vast majority of these being to linked businesses remaining open, households mixing, challenging wearing a mask, parties and the use of accommodation associated with unnecessary travel.
These included:
Two men who travelled from London to Hove to buy a pair of headphones

A woman who travelled from London to Brighton for a photo shoot

People who attended a gathering at Forest Row, despite an earlier warning

People attending a 21st birthday party in Brighton

Police have also dealt with the shocking abuse of public facing workers, including a bus driver who was spat at when he asked someone to wear a mask.

Superintendent Julia Pope, who is leading the policing operation for the pandemic, said: “In the last week we have had to issue 192 fixed penalty notices which, considering we have been in a pandemic for almost a year now, is completely unacceptable – and some people are making light of their reasons for being out and about. When you see the shocking videos of people battling Covid, having lost a loved one or NHS colleagues on their knees, I think most people would support this view.
“The vast majority of the fines we have issued have been for those attending house parties, meeting up with friends and family indoors or travelling without a reasonable excuse.
“We had to break up a second illegal gathering at a location in Forest Row, despite the group being told last week that they were breaching covid legislation. The gathering plainly does not meet the criteria for a charitable or benevolent exemption within the law. I know all of us are missing seeing friends and family but a gathering of this kind, in the current environment, is not permitted.
“We acknowledge the frequently changing legislation can sometimes make it difficult for everyone to fully understand what you can and cannot do and this is why our officers will always first engage with people, explaining the rules and regulations and encourage people to change their behaviour accordingly. We urge everyone to take responsibility for their actions and do the right thing by following the legislation and where there are breaches, fines will be issued.”
A man was arrested at Forest Row for failing to comply with officers and provide his details appeared at Brighton Magistrates’ Court today (Tuesday 2 February). He was given a £50 fine for obstructing a PC and pleaded guilty to breaching Covid legislation and the courts deemed this as time served and no other sanction was issued.

What a terrible wave of crime 🙄 .

405790 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Fear is Finite, 39, #1314 of 2134 🔗

“When you see the shocking videos of people battling Covid, having lost a loved one or NHS colleagues on their knees, I think most people would support this view.”

What about all the shocking reports of businesses that people have poured their heart and souls and life savings into going bust and all the people who have been made redundant because of lockdowns. Why do these people not matter?

405805 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to smithey, 13, #1315 of 2134 🔗

“or NHS colleagues on their knees,”

Clearly need more dance rehearsals….

405841 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to LMS2, 22, #1316 of 2134 🔗

I’ve spent a large part of the last 2 days in hospital. The normal staff in A&E and outpatients are bored, not overworked. They are sat around discussing dinner plans and knitting patterns whilst patients wait hours for x-rays.

405877 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to TreeHugger, 7, #1317 of 2134 🔗

In truth, we’ve had several visits to hospital recently, and whilst it’s quite r than normal, the staff were reasonably relaxed but not idle. They didn’t freak out about a partner waiting with the patient, even though there were notices up about visitors or partners not being allowed.
A/E was quiet. The Acute Medical Unit was fairly busy, with a constant flow of mainly elderly patients on trollies being wheeled in, but it didn’t seem manic, and the staff were nice and friendly.
Everyone wore masks, including me, as it’s one of the few places I will wear one, as much as I despise the things.

406039 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to LMS2, 1, #1318 of 2134 🔗

they have now started to do cossack dancing on tictok

405836 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to smithey, 7, #1319 of 2134 🔗

I think most people would support this view ” is pure conjecture anyway, based off the back of shameless emotional manipulation. There’s a plague of homelessness and drug use and crime in Brighton that’s far more serious than someone having a few mates round in Forest Row (a tiny village in the back arse of nowhere).

405902 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to smithey, 9, #1320 of 2134 🔗

Add to this the horrific thought of cancer screenings and treatment being either unavailable of delayed, other operations being cancelled and suicides.

But they don’t matter because only covid matters.

405985 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to smithey, 3, #1321 of 2134 🔗

They are NOT battling covid, they’ve got any number of issues that are being labled as covid. So sick of it by now.

406044 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to smithey, 3, #1322 of 2134 🔗

Especially as those videos feature crisis actors and are probably filmed on the set of Casualty.

405791 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Fear is Finite, 28, #1323 of 2134 🔗

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” -Tacitus

405803 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fear is Finite, 12, #1324 of 2134 🔗

And none of which, bar the spitting which is unacceptable, should be a “crime”.

406049 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LMS2, 1, #1325 of 2134 🔗

And the driver provoked the spitting – though a bit of verbal abuse would have been a more acceptable response.

405867 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #1326 of 2134 🔗

Fake vids made by well-paid crisis actors.

405881 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1327 of 2134 🔗

Absolutely no doubt about that whatsoever.

405889 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #1328 of 2134 🔗

Have they wiped out knife crime? Apparently not:

London was devastated by a horrific weekend of crime.
Two men are dead and another 15 have been injured following a number of knife attacks over the past few days.

From 5th February continuing over that weekend.

Now, the powers that (currently) be are more concerned about enforcing ‘covid rules’ than violent crimes.

In Scotland one man has been arrested for a mean tweet.

I think that violent attacks and other serious crimes should remain the number one priority of the police.

406046 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1329 of 2134 🔗

Martin Scorsese’s film Mean Streets was about gang violence and deaths, starring Robert De Niro.

He is now making a new film about the social media hounding of De Niro for being a prat in a car advert. This will be called Mean Tweets
Strathclyde and Lothian police forces to provide advice and extras

406014 ▶▶ danny, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #1330 of 2134 🔗

What really annoys me is how even the police now have to let us know their own emotive take on the importance of these laws. They are paid to enforce laws, not give us their medical expertise on the shamefulness of people not adhering to the laws. Just do your job if you feel you must, but spare us the lectures.

406048 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1331 of 2134 🔗

Election manifestos always claim we need more police. However, if this is the sort of nonsense they spend their time doing, it’s clear that serious crime has been eradicated and we have more police than we need.

405773 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 14, #1332 of 2134 🔗

Imagine you crack up in your post foreign trip abroad Quarantine Hotel ( at your own cost ) & make a run for it ( probably home) NOW that will carry 10 years AHMPleasure!! Help me out here – if you come back on a dingy can you go straight home ?? Just asking !!

405828 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Freddy Boy, 16, #1333 of 2134 🔗

Listen to the latest by Katie Hopkins (I realise that she’s not always been popular, but she’s speaking a lot of sense, and with passion) about how the ones who consider themselves ”elite” are still living their lives EXACTLY as what they would consider ”normal”. Will THEY be in quarantine hotels? Mmmm… let’s guess.

405782 Nessimmersion, 33, #1334 of 2134 🔗

Curious how all the govt mouthpieces now trying to scare everyone about the never ending variants not being slowed down by vaccines, have not worked out that this reinforces the basic cheap alternatives that allow you to laugh in the face of Covid.
1. High Vit D + K intake.
2. Healthy diet including zinc ( possibly quercetin)
3. HCQ or Invermectin available at the drop of a hat as in India.
Result – confected crisis completely over, no health emergency and may other ailments reduced by the Vit D boost.

405794 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #1335 of 2134 🔗

This is a quote from the film Inception :

Cobb: An idea is like a virus. Resilient. Highly contagious. And even the smallest seed of an idea can grow. It can grow to define or destroy you.

The main theme of the film is the concept of implanting an idea into a person’s subconcious.

Much of what has happened to us and is happening is based on a similar concept. There are many ideas that have been seeded, most of which are based on fear:

The idea that this is a deadly virus that requires extreme measures to control
The idea the R number is something to be feared
The idea that not wearing a mask will cause others to die
The idea that variants are a threat

Once the ideas take hold they no longer have to actually exist in reality for people to fear them, just the possibility of negative consequences is enough.

If you don’t wear a mask it’s possible that somebody might die because of it but it’s vastly more likely not to happen. The idea has taken hold that people might die though.

We don’t fear the R number, we are told to fear that it migh rise. We don’t fear variants, we are told to fear the possibility of them arising. We don’t necessarily fear this virus so we are told to fear what it might do if it is not controlled.

Why should anybody fear the R number, it’s merely a derivative of an observation? It seems a rather silly concept to me. I could just as easily suggest that we should all be very scared of Time, also an observed phenomenum. If only we could control time then we could stop or slow down the death rate. We could begin a programme of making everyone travel closer to the speed of light in order to slow down time. Think of how many lives we could “save”. Time will bring about infinitely more deaths than an R number.

405857 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1336 of 2134 🔗

” the R number, it’s merely a derivative of an observation”

… and a theoretical modelling estimate, not a data ‘fact’.

405918 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #1337 of 2134 🔗

I’d challenge anyone to prove anything the government has done has saved lives, i need names & addresses to verify any claim.

405797 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 9, #1338 of 2134 🔗

Have just had a text from NHS inviting me to make an appointment to have the vaccine (as an over 70 year old) . Have previously had 2 letters ( my husband also)posted from different NHS addresses. Think they are quite keen for me to have it !!

405820 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Cathnotchas, 4, #1339 of 2134 🔗

I keep getting calls from unknown 07527 numbers. I expect that’s the jab pushers. I don’t answer ‘em!

405830 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to assoc, 10, #1340 of 2134 🔗

It’s one of those scam phone calls. I have had about 10 today, not from this number “it’s your internet provider” “It’s amazon”….press 1 to talk to a person…hello this is David, we have detected a virus on your line…just let us log into your computer….scam.

405948 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1341 of 2134 🔗

Yes, we have had that kind of thing too. BT here, we haven’t been able to collect your direct debit, press 1 etc etc. Amazon prime as well. Seem to mostly come from India, but one from the Philippines. Be warned!

405984 ▶▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1342 of 2134 🔗

Thanks for that. Three different 07527 058*** numbers. I assumed it was nhs

406095 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1343 of 2134 🔗

also, i have had a couple –
one was very professional and based around them claiming to be a collection agency for HMRC tax debt. had phone displaying a government number which i could verify on gov web site etc. took me a few minutes (it was early morning) to realise it was a scam.

last week a call where message was relating to National insurance contributions.. I hung up. .

405854 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cathnotchas, 3, #1344 of 2134 🔗

I’ve just had a call from my GP surgery.

Perfectly amicable; no arm-twisting, and polite when I responded.

They’re only doing what they have been asked to do.

405914 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 6, #1345 of 2134 🔗

Just following orders huh, where have I heard that one before.

406028 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1346 of 2134 🔗

Some seem to be much keener than others. I wonder if it’s a factor of the local percentage take-up.
If numbers are low, like Hackney, they’ll be panicking. If you live in the sort of area where dozens of over 70s are prepared to stand outside in the freezing cold for two hours to get jabbed, then they’ll be less likely to hassle you.

406783 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, #1347 of 2134 🔗

murder and assault are perfectly excusable when they’re your job, when you are carrying them out as a mercenary rather than an interested party. under this logic, a hitman has the right to be left in peace to practise his chosen profession.

406781 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cathnotchas, #1348 of 2134 🔗

I would be tempted to scrawl on the letter ‘get bent you murderous fascist bastards’ and send it back, but I’m afraid of getting sectioned under the MHA, and then used for medical experiments

405799 John David, replying to John David, 22, #1349 of 2134 🔗

So the government is now claiming that 600,000 lives were saved through the Track and Trace app. Putting aside the fact that the app is anonymous and there’s no way after informing anybody they could verify they had isolated this is very much wishful thinking. Let’s remember that previous research seems to suggest that only 11% of those informed to isolate actually did.

This is more government spin to hide the vast amounts of money wasted on Matt Hancock’s vanity project.

The government’s continued lies and subterfuge have become an embarrassing joke for anybody who is prepared to spend more than a few minutes analysing what they’re saying.

We now have the possibility of someone being put in prison for 10-years if they don’t follow the new Hancock diktat regarding travel. And not a parliamentary vote insight. Welcome indeed to the New Normal.

405816 ▶▶ assoc, replying to John David, 18, #1350 of 2134 🔗

The 600,000 figure has to be garbage- if it had happened we would have had death rates seven times higher than any other country on earth!

405829 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John David, 10, #1351 of 2134 🔗

Six hundred thousand is a computer model outcome pushed to justify the waste of twenty-two billion pounds, and counting.

405981 ▶▶ assoc, replying to John David, 1, #1352 of 2134 🔗

Many thanks for that. Three different 07527 058*** numbers. I assumed it was NHS, pleased (!) to hear it’s just ‘scamming’.

405807 mojo, replying to mojo, 42, #1353 of 2134 🔗

I really do wish we could refer to this epidemic as flu. It seems to me that flu has now been eradicated and replaced by Covid. Anyone who has had flu (I have) knows the symptoms and the seriousness and the length of time to recover.

i also wish we could start talking about facts rather than behaving as though we have a brand new plague on our hands. There are no excess deaths for last winter or this. The funeral parlours are not overrun and there are no churches with masses of new graves. There are also no ambulances flying around and no hospitals so full that front line staff run off their feet.

what we do have is people dying of the vaccine in care homes. Many whistleblowers are now coming to new media to express their concerns as the old media are hand in glove with government propaganda. We are also seeing some pretty nasty side effects on vaccines taken by those not in care homes. We are also noticing the narrative changing. Suddenly there are African strains but Africa doesn’t have any Covid. Where are the searching questions. Suddenly we don’t have just one jab but a follow up booster and then another to protect us against each new strain. This is unprecedented so why are there no questions being asked????

I would also like to know why the pharmaceuticals are demanding a blame free get out clause when tragedy happens. Then there is the question of taxpayers money going to so few globalist vaccine companies just as the patents of other vaccines are coming to an end.

Can I please have an explanation as to why some international businesses are allowed to stay open but the small independent businesses have to shut down. Why are the children of ‘key’ (government) workers given their education but those wealth creators who pay for that education are told to educate their own children at home. Are some children more important than others??

and as for Lockdown and masks…….I despair that there has not been a more robust push against the obvious propaganda of the government and their hypocritical experts.

405824 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mojo, 7, #1354 of 2134 🔗

The category that has benefited most from the responses to the coronavirus is the billionaires, who have seen their wealth increase by trillions of dollars since March 2020. Indeed, Jeff Bezos in the first six months of this madness saw his wealth increase by ninety billion dollars.

405849 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #1355 of 2134 🔗

… whereas this is the actuality.

405859 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #1356 of 2134 🔗

It’s been a massive transfer of wealth, not from the wealthy to the poor, but the reverse.
Our government has followed the same hysterical over-reaction as the Democrats, who in turn were happily destroying the wealth, businesses, economy, lives of their respective states, whilst putting the blame on Donald Trump.
Our government has followed suit.
What’s their excuse??

405848 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mojo, -6, #1357 of 2134 🔗

I was with you up until this outburst of simplistic mickey-mouse economics :

Why are the children of ‘key’ (government) workers given their education but those wealth creators who pay for that education are told to educate their own children at home.”

Apart from being simplistic nonsense, this plays straight into the hands of a divisive government.

405862 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 4, #1358 of 2134 🔗

It’s true, though, with the exception of supermarket staff and their children.

405903 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to LMS2, 6, #1359 of 2134 🔗

Nah its erroneous. Most essential workers are on the lower rung, how do you think you eat, get your crap delivered, car fixed etc etc. Maintaining Infrastructure is relatively low paid manual labour, compared to middle class “professionals” & civil servants.

Politicians, Bankers, Lawyers, Estate Agents & journalists are clearly an unnecessary evil. And scientist an egregious indulgence

405934 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to RickH, 3, #1360 of 2134 🔗

What was said is true, although in many schools this latest school shutdown has been another excuse for teachers to toss it off. Even those at school are in the main not getting anything like the school curriculum, standards were dreadful before CCP Virus, too many protected by political unions in that game don’t care about children.

405823 DoubtingDave, replying to DoubtingDave, 8, #1361 of 2134 🔗

Richard D Hall has just published a video about the financial implications of what is happening at the moment. The film is separated into 4 parts.

Rich D Hall

I should say the film is called “Money That Spends Itself”

405876 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DoubtingDave, 1, #1362 of 2134 🔗

I’ll have a look at that straight after what it amuses me to call- to annoy Our Thelma Chambers- me tea. Tek care, kiddo- Terry C.

405833 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 21, #1363 of 2134 🔗

FINALLY A WEE BIT OF EXCITEMENT IN SCOTLAND!

After months of a strange person with red hair appearing on scottish tv every day on much todo about nothing ‘except’ the removal our basic liberties and destruction of the economy, it’s now the real show time!

MSPs investigating the government’s mishandling of complaints against alex salmond say they will continue their inquiry without him giving evidence. So alex is now likely to hold his own press conference on the subject with lots to share.

The wee krankies are about to make one hell of a comeback in scotland. Watch this space.

405838 ▶▶ smithey, replying to tony rattray, 8, #1364 of 2134 🔗

About time. I can’t wait!

405845 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to smithey, 12, #1365 of 2134 🔗

I’ll be getting the popcorn out only theatre i’ve had in the last 11 months.

405843 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to tony rattray, 3, #1366 of 2134 🔗

It’s fair heating up.

I didn’t see anything come of this, but big Eck is a hell of a public presence to have on camera.

405847 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 14, #1367 of 2134 🔗

Biden is a bully, Boris is a bully, Fauci is a bully, Gates is a bully …
Bully for them.

405864 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1368 of 2134 🔗

Biden is a nonce
Fauci is a homeowner
Not sure about the other two

405894 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #1369 of 2134 🔗

Some nice pics of Gates visiting his pal Jeff on Jeff’s private island.

Heard a rumour that BJ is pharmaceutically inclined.

406007 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1370 of 2134 🔗

He got sacked for being drunk, we do know that much.

405851 Barbara Baker, 8, #1371 of 2134 🔗

Just had a conversation with a neighbour who just had her jab – she asked when I was getting mine? I said I am not having it. She said I was selfish- it is to protect others as much as myself 🙄 So, I told her I am part of the unvaccinated control group for this experimental gene therapy …..someone has to do it and I am more than happy to do so…..sudden end to conversation 😂 😂

405856 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 15, #1372 of 2134 🔗

I think that WHO conference signals the beginning of the end. It’s being splashed about in the press that they don’t think it’s a leak from the WIV. But what they’re not talking about, but the WHO was at pains to point out strenuously, was that Covid-19 had been circulating well before it was detected in Wuhan. That it can travel in on cool-chain supply goods. They’re creating the narrative. We could look at it as a sort of “faults on both side” amnesty, internationally. And I think that’s the take-away that’ll be pitched to us over the next couple of days/weeks. They were over-zealous with their minorities. We were negligent with ours.

How will it all end for the UK? Simple. There’s going to have to be an amnesty for the main players, and a Great British Whitewash. The only way we can restore our country to some form of functional normality is to pretend that none of this ever happened. To pretend that vaccines are safe and effective whilst they kill off our elderly. And to slowly but surely press reset on the careers of our politicians.

The vaccination drive is reverse psychology. They’re dumping it into the population with the shortest life expectancy. And then they’re going to call it a success and stop. I think the reason for all the psychopathological simpering is relief.

They have an exit strategy.

405861 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheHandbag, 16, #1373 of 2134 🔗

They have an exit strategy.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

405887 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1374 of 2134 🔗

Quite. The people running the country don’t seem to have a plan for much past tomorrow tea time let alone a strategy for getting out of this mess!

405962 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to smithey, 4, #1375 of 2134 🔗

The strategy is ‘What are the focus groups telling us today’?

406015 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, 2, #1376 of 2134 🔗

I’d like to think so. Unfortunately – I believe that they don’t see it as a ”mess” but only as the unfortunate collateral.
(That’s ”unfortunate” for those who actually give a damn about their country.)

405874 ▶▶ smithey, replying to TheHandbag, 13, #1377 of 2134 🔗

I can see where you are coming from but slowly moving back to normal once people have been vaccinated and pretending this episode in our history did not happen will not be a good thing for the country in the long run. We need to understand what mistakes lead us to this position and then put proper mechanisms in place to prevent them happening again. Ideally, in the same way that company executives are accountable for things they get wrong, there should also be some sort of punishment levied at the leaders who inflicted this on us such as a jail sentence of seizure of assets to go towards paying off the national debts they have caused.

406018 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, 2, #1378 of 2134 🔗

Those debts that will disappear miraculously? And the coffers filled as if by magic.

406121 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to smithey, 2, #1379 of 2134 🔗

It is becoming more and more obvious that it is not starvation, it is
not microbes, it is not cancer, but man himself who is his greatest
danger: because he has no adequate protection against psychic
epidemics, which are are infinitely more devastating in their effect
than the greatest natural catastrophes.
Carl Jung

406775 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to smithey, #1380 of 2134 🔗

really? I was hoping they would all swing from the end of a rope myself. I think it’s all fantasy anyway – the end is a long long way off yet, over mountains of corpses and rivers of blood, and probably few of us alive today will live to see it

405888 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to TheHandbag, 5, #1381 of 2134 🔗

whilst they kill off our elderly”

I’ve been wondering for some time what the “financial saving” to the country is of this. As callous as it sounds the Treasury will have done a calculation of the amount saved on pensions for the remaining life of the recipient who will no longer be receiving it, fewer winter fuel payments, other benefits that elderly can be in receipt of. And then there is the other side of this: the additional tax receipts from Inheritance Tax etc.

405916 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #1382 of 2134 🔗

The initial bunch of care home deaths early last year saved the Treasury some £600m per annum I seem to recall reading. Now if it could be proven that the Cabinet (and Wancock in particular) were aware of that and it played in as part of the strategy used when returning old people to care homes then they and he are guilty of misfeasance in a public office – which I think carries a 25 year prison sentence. But those minutes form the various cabinet meetings etc won’t see the light of day for 30 years I’d guess.

405922 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, 4, #1383 of 2134 🔗

That’s £600m just in pension payments, not to mention the contributions to care home costs etc etc etc.

405946 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to vargas99, 3, #1384 of 2134 🔗

Sorry – it’s malfeasance not misfeasance

405957 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1385 of 2134 🔗

I think that I am right in thinking that’s what Vernon Coleman said almost a year ago.

405939 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1386 of 2134 🔗

It’s a measure of what an awful state we’re in right now that your scenario sounds like one of the more optimistic ones. Ghastly, but better than indefinite gulag Britain, which is what I’m anticipating.

406022 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1387 of 2134 🔗

More and more it seems as though President Trump was the last bastion. Everything else now is a forlorn hope.

406106 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1388 of 2134 🔗

They (the eugenicists/Gates & Co) are intent on reducing world population by 90%.

Georgia Guide Stones signal a world population 600 million (slaves for the mega rich, so little change there).

406321 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1389 of 2134 🔗

The fact the lead investigator is involved in Gain of Function research doesn’t inspire confidence in looking into a GoF leak, does it?
https://t.co/UJP4yPu1Oc?amp=1

405892 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to merlin, 6, #1391 of 2134 🔗

She didn’t ‘survive Covid 19’, she survived a positive test result!!!!!

405897 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to bluemoon, 3, #1392 of 2134 🔗

I know that, but don’t say that to the bedwetters

405911 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to merlin, #1393 of 2134 🔗

😃

405993 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to merlin, 1, #1394 of 2134 🔗

But she’d going to have a reduced celebration because of covid regs.

405869 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 7, #1395 of 2134 🔗
405879 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Steeve, 7, #1396 of 2134 🔗

Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

405890 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to leggy, 10, #1397 of 2134 🔗

Sounds like a good way to bury it in red tape for 12 months followed by a very muted apology uttered by a man in trap 3 of the khazi in GMP HQ.

405900 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Steeve, 30, #1398 of 2134 🔗

‘Whilst initial reviews suggest that officers’ actions were reasonable when assessed within the wider context of the situation…’

Liars.

‘…following concerns raised by members of the public, it has been referred to GMP’s Professional Standards Branch in line with usual policy.’

You’ve been rumbled.

‘Officers in attendance were confronted with verbal abuse from numerous members of the public…’

And your point is?

‘They were then further faced with a reluctance to cooperate by a number of those present, despite the officers attempting to engage with them.’

Is any of this meant to justify your thug of a copper’s actions?

‘One officer sustained physical injuries in the process.’

Really? What sort of ‘injuries’? A bruised ego perhaps?

How about a word or two for the innocent citizen who was physically assaulted by your thug of a copper?

‘A man has been charged in connection with this incident so it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.’

Cowards.

405904 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steeve, 25, #1399 of 2134 🔗

initial reviews suggest that officers’ actions were reasonable when assessed within the wider context of the situation

Gives a pretty clear indication of the kind of person we’re dealing with. Trying to punch a man in the face while he’s held by two other uniformed thugs is “reasonable” to this person.

405943 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 5, #1400 of 2134 🔗

I reckon they put more than one person on that letter. I reckon an elite team of coppers produced such an outstanding example of bullshit.

405926 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 5, #1401 of 2134 🔗

Kicked into the long grass

405870 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1402 of 2134 🔗

Bill Gates and Neo-Feudalism: A Closer Look at Farmer Bill

Bill Gates has quietly made himself the largest owner of farmland in the United States. For a man obsessed with monopoly control, the opportunity to also dominate food production must seem irresistible

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.
.

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/bill-gates-and-neo-feudalism-closer-look-farmer-bill

405987 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alice, #1404 of 2134 🔗

It would only need a couple of pages. One about dramatically reducing the population, the other about subsisting on frankenfood.

405875 Alice, replying to Alice, 7, #1405 of 2134 🔗

Who’s keeping THE LIST? Is George Osborne already on it? If not, I think he’s just earned himself a place, with this:

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/george-osborne-covid-passports-normal-life-b919119.html

405927 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Alice, 2, #1406 of 2134 🔗

I got down as far the “NHS religion” paragraph and vomited a small bit of sick into my mouth. I can’t read anymore of that drivel.

405982 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1407 of 2134 🔗

…. the impressive vaccines minister ….!

405883 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 22, #1408 of 2134 🔗

I missed Hancock’s appointment to become Justice Secretary as well.
And that doing away with the sacred principle of proportionality, namely that the punishment must fit the crime, is now possible to be done by the stroke of his pen.

405899 ▶▶ smithey, replying to JayBee, 25, #1409 of 2134 🔗

The most humiliating thing about all this is that the country is allowing itself to be terrorised by man like Hancock, who by rights should be a parking attendant at best. At least Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini had some stature and were worthy of respect

405905 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to smithey, 3, #1410 of 2134 🔗

Maybe he’s the most dispensable

405986 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to smithey, 8, #1411 of 2134 🔗

Even as a parking attendant he’d misuse his tiny power.

406005 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, 6, #1412 of 2134 🔗

Forget about Hancock… he’s a cipher.. it’s the coercive power of the state that is humiliating us.

The situation we’re in and our experience of it would be no different if Hancock was swapped out for an erudite Mount Olympus alpha male.

406086 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to smithey, 1, #1413 of 2134 🔗

Would you buy a used parking ticket from this man?

405901 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JayBee, 6, #1414 of 2134 🔗

He keeps issuing empty threats, like he’s showing off

405891 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 19, #1415 of 2134 🔗

Covid-19 is now endemic. It cannot be eliminated as it can survive in animals both domestic and wild. The government might as well lock us down until tides stop coming in. If Cnut – hardly a shrinking violet or of low self-esteem – could realise his limitations what does that say about the lunatics currently in charge?

405978 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1416 of 2134 🔗

Cnut was intelligent!

406001 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to redbirdpete, #1417 of 2134 🔗

it can survive in animals both domestic and wild

Any links to evidence for that?

406011 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to AidanR, 3, #1418 of 2134 🔗

Yes. it’s a virus. That’s what they do, and you’ll recall the mink issue. Only one virus has evolved to be exclusive to humans – smallpox – and that’s why we were able to eliminate it – unless some bastard lets it out of a lab.

406055 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1419 of 2134 🔗

So what is the defence when SAGE start claiming that cat and dogs are a transmission vector, and the restrictions are extended to them?

406344 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AidanR, #1420 of 2134 🔗

I’ve been terrified of that for a while – and the ‘restrictions’ to be extended to them will be a bullet through the head. No doubt that will wake up a few more zombies up, but by then it will be too late

406281 ▶▶ jos, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1421 of 2134 🔗

They’ll be coming after our pets next and no, this is not a joke..

405896 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 25, #1422 of 2134 🔗

Friend of mine has broken his arm and needs an op to pin it. He’s having it tomorrow and had the covid test and pre op yesterday. His covid test was negative. He goes everywhere, a builder, never stopped working, never worn a mask.

406204 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1423 of 2134 🔗

So why did he agree to have a test? People need to start saying no. There’s no justification for a health professional to be testing him for random stuff he has no symptoms of.

406307 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1424 of 2134 🔗

told him he couldn’t have the op without it, so he did it, he needs to work, agree it is coercion. Point it, that if it was so contagious we should all have had it by now, its obviously not that infectious and not that deadly

405910 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 48, #1425 of 2134 🔗

My Mum is 72, physically fit no underlying health issues, looks after herself with regular exercise, healthy eating, takes supplements has decided not to take the vaccine. Her choice, not my influence, she generally thinks its a bad idea and isn’t safe.

Since last week she has received two letters, two text messages and two phone calls from the GP informing that an appointment has been made for her to have the vaccine. She politely informed the surgery that she was declining yet they have contacted her again.

Thankfully, she isn’t scared to say no but now is becoming anxious at the harassment from the surgery.

Once you’ve said no, they should just accept it. What is happening?

405935 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Lydia, 26, #1426 of 2134 🔗

COERCION – that’s what’s happening

405941 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to vargas99, 14, #1427 of 2134 🔗

Its appalling what they’re doing, I’m so angry that they keep contacting her. How can I report this, who to?

405968 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Lydia, 13, #1428 of 2134 🔗

The GP surgery should have a formal complaints procedure – that’s where I would start Lydia

405996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to vargas99, 5, #1429 of 2134 🔗

I will. Thanks.

406133 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lydia, 3, #1430 of 2134 🔗

Just write (by recorded post) telling them to desist, assert their repeated harrasement is causing distress, blah blah, state clearly your final decision. And they must stop contacting you on the matter.

Frankly i wouldn’t give any gov agency my mobile number, in fact i rarely give it to anyone. Only give gov agencies your home address insist contact via post.

405944 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Lydia, 3, #1431 of 2134 🔗

It’s odd as our drs have only called my mum once to ask and when she said she wasn’t sure about having it, they just said they’d come back to her at a later date. Not heard back from them since so they’re not putting pressure on.

405955 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Ambwozere, 7, #1432 of 2134 🔗

My mum’s surgery must be really keen to get her jabbed! I’m going to have contact the surgery myself on her behalf and inform them that shes not interested.

405980 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Lydia, 4, #1433 of 2134 🔗

Could you get your Mum to block the surgery’s number on her phone.

405994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to fiery, 3, #1434 of 2134 🔗

Yes, I’ll speak to her to do it.

405951 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Lydia, 16, #1435 of 2134 🔗

On the plus side, I think it is an indication that they are not getting the uptake they had hoped for. They are panicking.

405959 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #1436 of 2134 🔗

I looked at the vaccine statistics today and they’ve only vaccinated 35% of the 70-74 age population, so yes, they must be panicking!

405974 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lydia, 13, #1437 of 2134 🔗

I posted this last night:

Listen to the sound of desperation:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/08/over-70s-have-not-had-covid-vaccine-urged-come-forward/

BINGO:

Anyone over 70 who has not yet had a Covid vaccine is being urged to come forward in a final push to hit a targe t to give all the vulnerable jabs by next Monday.
…… Under the Government’s targets, almost 15 million people – including everyone over the age of 70 – should be offered their first vaccine by Feb 15.
Dr Nikki Kanani, the medical director for primary care at NHS England and a practising GP, said: “…. if you are aged 70 and over, and haven’t yet received your vaccine, please come forward and make an appointment as soon as you can. The vaccine is safe, simple, and will offer you and those around you crucial protection against this virus.”

LIAR!

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, said: “Thanks to the huge efforts of the NHS, volunteers and local authorities we have vaccinated an incredible 12 million vulnerable people so far, including around nine in 10 of all over-70s. We are on track to meet our goal of offering everyone in the top four priority groups a jab.
…. if you have grandparents, relatives and friends over 70, please encourage them to book an appointment as soon as possible so they can be protected against this awful virus.
“Vaccines are the way out of this pandemic and, by ensuring you and your loved ones get booked in for a jab, the NHS can give those most at risk the protection they need as we continue to fight this disease together.”

VOMIT!

405992 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1438 of 2134 🔗

Theyre really pushing for those over 70’s aren’t they! So much that they’ll just harass them until they cave in and say yes.

406084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1439 of 2134 🔗

It DOESN’T DOESN’T DOESN’T protect others. No variety does. The bloody manufacturers bloody SAY SO!!!

406008 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #1440 of 2134 🔗

How long before we start seeing it for sale in Poundland alongside bottles of toilet cleaner and Steven Seagal dvds?

406012 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to danny, 3, #1441 of 2134 🔗

Both of which are preferable.

DavidC

405958 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Lydia, 18, #1442 of 2134 🔗

My Mum aged 80 refused the vaccine twice. Her GPs surgery then sent a doctor and a nurse to her house to persuade her to have the vaccine. I wasn’t able to be present as I live over three hours drive away but what took place was coercion and my Mum certainly wasn’t given a chance to make an informed decision.
I won’t be having the vaccine and am doing everything I can to stay under the radar.

406002 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to fiery, 3, #1443 of 2134 🔗

Oh my goodness, that is terrible. How can they do that?

406003 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Lydia, 3, #1444 of 2134 🔗

That’s harassment! Surely.

406004 ▶▶ danny, replying to Lydia, 4, #1445 of 2134 🔗

Follow the government advice. Tell them she can’t come in for the vaccine because she is locked up safely at home because she has decided to “act like she has it”.

406010 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Lydia, 5, #1446 of 2134 🔗

While the average age you lose immunity is around 70 it obviously varies with each person. Some people at 50 have the body of a 70 year old would benefit from vaccination but because you’ve reached that age doesn’t mean she should be vaccinated. I also think we are putting too much hope in vaccination while everyone is saying it is 90% effective and safe in reality it will be no where near that good. Lastly 99.8% of the population is covid free and as the virus will mutate she will need to get vaccinated again so instead take vitamin D to boost your immunity, it does work.

406043 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #1447 of 2134 🔗

i’m 30 and this lockdown has made me feel about 70…

406120 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1448 of 2134 🔗

Sorry to hear that get exercising ,eat some healthy food,sleep and give yourself some rest from all this madness. We can’t do much about it until we all realise we are mostly immune to this virus otherwise how come 99.8% of us are covid free.

406080 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lydia, 4, #1449 of 2134 🔗

Harassment is illegal. Is she keeping a precise record of all the times she’s been pestered?
Evidence. Health ombudsman. Compensation.

406195 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Lydia, 3, #1450 of 2134 🔗

I found the constant covid texts from my GP surgery so annoying that I made them delete my number from their systems. They were so angry and told me I wasn’t allowed to and had to give them a number so I said I’d got rid of my phone.

406266 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #1451 of 2134 🔗

They probably won’t have deleted your number. I’d wait a couple of weeks then phone them and say you’ve got a new number and make one up.

405912 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 19, #1452 of 2134 🔗

Ferguson’s modelling has about the same basis in reality as a fortune telling booth at the end of the pier, or the mesmerism beloved of the intelligentsia in the 19th century, or ouija boards.I believe that he and his team are charlatans, and should be dealt with in the same manner as Andrew Wakefield was.

406078 ▶▶ Annie, replying to caravaggio57, 9, #1453 of 2134 🔗

Pantsdown’s recipe for success is simple: make your numbers more terrifying than anybody else’s, and get in first with a number so huge that no sane person would dare to go above it. The fact that you prove spectacularly wrong every single time has no effect in your success.
Of course, it also helps if you have no integrity and no shame.

405917 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 30, #1454 of 2134 🔗

NHS has been ‘nothing special’ during the pandemic … does not deserve ‘adulation’ ….

405925 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Victoria, 35, #1455 of 2134 🔗

Daily Fail readers have piled in En masse to agree. NHS has gone from hero to zero.

405933 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to merlin, 39, #1456 of 2134 🔗

Good for them. It’s about time the NHS lost it’s religion like status and was subject to some proper scrutiny (especially now that all our lives, freedoms and ability to earn a living rest on how busy it is)

406071 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to merlin, 7, #1457 of 2134 🔗

Or rather, the thousands upon thousands who always thought it was rubbish now have an opportunity to say so.

405970 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, -6, #1458 of 2134 🔗

‘Free market think tank’.

A contradiction in terms. 🙂

405990 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1459 of 2134 🔗

God damn it, you are irritating, especially when i agree with you.

406045 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 4, #1460 of 2134 🔗

Because who would want to exchange goods with another party without allowing the government to skim some off the top?

405921 TheClone, 13, #1461 of 2134 🔗

Vaxx passport, QR codes, own nothing and be happy! Welcome to the Smart Gulag!

405932 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 18, #1462 of 2134 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1195976-nursing-home-vaccine-staff/

Headline: Nursing homes to keep record of staff who choose not to be vaccinated
From the article:

“Mr Daly said Nursing Homes Ireland would support mandatory vaccination if it is something that the Government chose to implement.” Nuremburg principles breached

“He said the nursing home sector is not “entirely clear” on what to do if keeping records of staff who have been vaccinated leads to the identification of those members of staff.” GDPR breach.

405989 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1463 of 2134 🔗

I believe that Stephen Donnelly confirmed in an interview recently, that there is likely to be a national database of those vaccinated and those who are not / those declined. Same in UK? Data protection seems to be dead along with a whole list of other previous freedoms.

405998 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1464 of 2134 🔗

Alexa, order me a bottle of whiskey and a revolver.

Alexa, put my affairs in order.

406009 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1465 of 2134 🔗

Absolutely no question that this will happen, and that those who are “not” will be duly discriminated against.

406030 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1466 of 2134 🔗

It’s astonishing how many rights have been thrown in the bin. The average person would have felt reasonably well protected pre March 2020.

405947 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 19, #1467 of 2134 🔗

Tories savage Hancock over ‘never-ending lockdown’ ….

405964 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, 14, #1468 of 2134 🔗

Take no notice. MPs are mostly completely useless.

405977 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bugle, 16, #1469 of 2134 🔗

Indeed. I don’t think that their notion of ‘savage’ quite tallies with ours.

406000 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to kh1485, 7, #1470 of 2134 🔗

Unless we see blood and body parts spread over the benches, I suspect their notion is very different.

406312 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bugle, 1, #1471 of 2134 🔗

They truly are.

I treat them now with the thought that if they do anything significant then I’ll see it in the street, otherwise I’ll assume absolutely nothing has changed and totalitarianism continues unopposed

405965 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 5, #1472 of 2134 🔗

So we’ve gone from “summer” to “autumn” now. They are incorrigible!

405972 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1473 of 2134 🔗

And of course come Autumn, we’ll be back into respiratory illness season. It’s so transparent.

405976 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Victoria, 4, #1474 of 2134 🔗

I guess if you are coming for the G7 conference you are exempt.

406038 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Victoria, 15, #1475 of 2134 🔗

I hate this government with a passion, and the Daily Mail, how dare they, do they have any idea what this kind of headline does to the nations mental health, people are loosing their jobs, livelihoods, homes, kids not getting an education/ people attempting suicide etc. and we get a headline like this. I need to get back to work to support myself for god sake, how the hell do they expect us plebs to last until the Autumn. I firmly believe I will be back at work in April, but some people reading this will be driven into a very dark place. Why cant these people be responsible.

406068 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #1476 of 2134 🔗

Wish it were true.
Literally true.

405956 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1477 of 2134 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/09/i-thought-buying-things-would-make-me-feel-better-it-didnt-the-rise-of-emotional-spending

Headline: “I thought buying things would make me feel better. It didn’t: The rise of emotional spending”
TLDR – don’t buy stuff.

It is almost as if they genuinely believe in a zero economy at the Grauniad (alongside zero Covid).

405983 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1478 of 2134 🔗

Because they have zero sense.

405991 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1479 of 2134 🔗

The Guardian doesn’t make a profit and doesn’t see why it should. It survives from a trust fund that was filled by their sale of Autotrader.

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