2021-02-10

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406758 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 147, #1 of 2062 🔗

Ten years’ prison for lying. And this is not fascism?

406759 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #2 of 2062 🔗

Darren Grimes: Why I Haven’t Been Posting As Much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNkiYhXkwro&list=WL&index=35

“Darren Grimes confirms that he hasn’t been ‘Trumped’ by YouTube. He, like many, have struggled during this lockdown.

In pursuit of minimising one disease’s impacts, we have heightened the effects of others. I hope one good of this sorry saga will be that the shame circling mental health is exiled for good.”

406786 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #3 of 2062 🔗

Stop appealing to your captors for help Darren

407089 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, -16, #4 of 2062 🔗

What a pathetic young man.

408014 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #5 of 2062 🔗

“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” — Plato.

408558 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, #6 of 2062 🔗

Oh, sorry, that wasn’t very nice. I take it back.

406763 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Steve Hayes, 95, #7 of 2062 🔗

Can’t lie to the state.
But it can lie to you .

406982 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 21, #8 of 2062 🔗

I was taught trust is a two way thing, which is why i’ve never trusted government.

408172 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #9 of 2062 🔗

And a fine decision I am of the same mind,I mean what is there to trust.

406768 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 57, #10 of 2062 🔗

Is Wankok more mad than he is evil, or more evil than he is mad?
Quem deus vult. perdere prius delirat.

406779 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 46, #11 of 2062 🔗

He’s a wrong un either way. I had hoped Pfeffel might reshuffle the silly bastard with some hogwash that he is a war-time consigliere, but it appears they both want to go down the piano wire route.

406791 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 59, #12 of 2062 🔗

When Boris and Nutnut shoot themselves in the bunker, will Wankok poison his wife, his children and himself?

406798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 18, #13 of 2062 🔗

Don’t tell me he and his wife have foisted more Wankcocks on the world?

408741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #14 of 2062 🔗

It appears so, according to the video of him and brat(s) enjoying themselvesd in the park released a while back.

406803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 22, #15 of 2062 🔗

He possesses the sort of troubled ego that would. Kay Burley appeared to have him sussed and got him onside with lashings of over-the-top praise. He’s the type of fragile man we could persuade to get a tattoo that commemorates this special time and his role in it. Maybe that’s a bit too subversive.

407161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, replying to Annie, 3, #16 of 2062 🔗

Fingers crossed.

407268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Annie, 2, #17 of 2062 🔗

If only …. 😂

406942 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Tom Blackburn, #18 of 2062 🔗

It was all bought up from music shops b4 the crisis hit… they foresaw the revolt.

407119 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #19 of 2062 🔗

Hamitup’s far too useful being the obvious patsy right now.

408103 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, #20 of 2062 🔗

No one can be reshuffled.They all know where the bodies are buried.

406805 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 42, #21 of 2062 🔗

Either way – the mere sight of his ugly, self-satisfied little face is enough for me to feel my blood pressure rising.

407090 ▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to ElizaP, 11, #22 of 2062 🔗

Me too. I really must stop spitting at the screen, it gets in such a mess.

407105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to lorrinet, 15, #23 of 2062 🔗

I need a new clock radio in my bedroom after one of his announcements I er, turned the radio off in too forceful a manner and it er, fell apart. Don’t build them like they used to!

408188 ▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to lorrinet, #24 of 2062 🔗

Glad to hear im not the only one.

406856 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, 25, #25 of 2062 🔗

‘Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad’.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

407094 ▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Basileus, 2, #26 of 2062 🔗

Well,let’s hope it won’t be long then.

406930 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Annie, 2, #27 of 2062 🔗
407558 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, 7, #28 of 2062 🔗

I honestly just don’t think he is all there. He seems to be on the aspergens/ autistic side of the spectrum. You only need to look at the video of him flopping in his chair in the commons or the creepy interview with the blond woman outside the hospital.

I suspect this allows him to remain dissonant to the devestation he is causing.

407946 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #29 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I’ve been wondering that. Johnson is clearly troubled when he speaks; Twitty and Van Tampax do to a certain extent also. Hancock just looks calm and composed, even faintly amused by it all. Can’t help thinking he knows a lot more than he’s letting on.

408191 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #30 of 2062 🔗

Naaaaa he’s just a dick.

408181 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, 2, #31 of 2062 🔗

I think he is a sad sack

408732 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #32 of 2062 🔗

Who gave Matt the green light? Hmm?

406804 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 40, #33 of 2062 🔗

It is absolutely ridiculous. Goodness knows I can think of someone locally that was only in prison for months for drink-driving and killing someone in the process. So longer prison spell for having a holiday than for drink-driving/resultant death on the one hand or rape on the other hand is ridiculous. Just because someone wanted a bit of sun and headed to another country to get it!

406822 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to ElizaP, 40, #34 of 2062 🔗

It’s high time the travel industry stood up for itself.

407098 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #35 of 2062 🔗

They will receive their payoffs, don’t worry, but the ‘travel industry’ for the lower middle classes is OVER.

407952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #36 of 2062 🔗

Yep. Holidays for the foreseeable future will be like in the old USSR – overseas travel very difficult. Camping and hostels for the masses, heavily restricted and regulated hotels for the favoured few. We may not even be allowed that if restrictions on interior movement are retained. We may only get ‘holidays at home’ (restricted to local area) like in the war.

407102 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, 15, #37 of 2062 🔗

Not ridiculous at all. It is a staggered move to isolate certain populations. It is obvious given the island nature of the United Kingdom that harsher policies like mandatory vaccines will be tried out on a population that cannot escape. Possibly crowd control weapons that we haven’t yet seen used in public.

Hard fascism is coming fast. Enjoy it!

406853 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 53, #38 of 2062 🔗

You know that something is massively wrong when REAL crimes such as rape and murder can get much less than that!!!

407299 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #39 of 2062 🔗

So the question arises as to what sort of way political prisoners would be treated in prison v. the actual criminals that would rightfully be in there. I know I’d certainly be calling myself a political prisoner if I were in there – to make it very plain I wasn’t a criminal/shouldnt be there.

Do you think Amnesty International would campaign on my behalf?

407496 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 3, #40 of 2062 🔗

Unfortunately we can’t rely on Amnesty International as we don’t fit into their Messiah tendencies.

407635 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, 7, #41 of 2062 🔗

HA! Amnesty International is co-opted. And it NEVER gave a shit about white people like you!

408128 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to ElizaP, 3, #42 of 2062 🔗

In 1984 the normal criminals are treated much better than the political prisoners.

407036 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #43 of 2062 🔗

I’ve read that it is the Fraud Act that would be used, which does have a maximum of 10 years imprisonment; however that would require a crown court trial by jury.

407129 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, 2, #44 of 2062 🔗

Well they did use the magic words up to 10 years.

407710 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to p02099003, -1, #45 of 2062 🔗

Where did you read that? I wonder because it directly contradicts what Matt Hancock told parliament. He said that the law to criminalise lying about where one had been would be introduced this week. This means the law does not yet exist. Moreover, lying about where one had been would not be fraudulent.

408744 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #46 of 2062 🔗

Irony – a politician introducing a law to criminalise lying eg “three weeks just to flatten the curve”

407154 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #47 of 2062 🔗

Not that I’m promoting rule breaking, but here’s my thoughts in rhyme on this new jail time.

Hancock shall never dictate,
Who of us shall be an inmate,
If I go to Peru,
What can Hancock do?
He is not in control of my fate.

We must seek a sound alibi,
If to the cops we must lie,
To escape quarantine,
And our freedom redeem,
Our records we must falsify

407427 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #48 of 2062 🔗

It’s fascism. Not “Marxism”, not “communism”. Fascism. And had the last month’s events in the United States happened in, say, Ecuador, or Azerbaijan, they would have been called out as what they were.

408774 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #49 of 2062 🔗

Just taking a glance over at the Marxist fist on the ‘Free-speech Union Advert’…

407547 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #50 of 2062 🔗

Hancock should be locked up for about 10,000 years in that case.

408093 ▶▶ Hieronimusb, replying to Steve Hayes, #51 of 2062 🔗

It’s Fascism Jim, and we know it.

408769 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hieronimusb, 1, #52 of 2062 🔗

Define ‘we’.

408735 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #53 of 2062 🔗

‘No Escape From Stalag Britain’ – title of the 1st article of the day.
‘Ten years’ prison for lying. And this is not fascism?’ – 1st top 140+ upvoted ‘community’ comment made at approx. 4pm in British-time morning.

Both comments deliberately driving opposition opinion away from describing this tyranny for what it is: communist.

No coincidence.

This is a false opposition website and it needs called out.

408795 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to J4mes, 1, #54 of 2062 🔗

Edit: That was meant ‘ 4am ‘ British time – pretty damn early…

408832 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to J4mes, #55 of 2062 🔗

The category that has most benefited from the coronavirus responses are the billionaires, who have seen their wealth increase by trillions of dollars. This transfer of wealth is not communism. Communists do not throw money at the capitalists.

406760 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 114, #56 of 2062 🔗

Handjob (before): “vaccines will solve all the problems”
Handjob (now): “vaccines might not solve all the problems”
Me: “STOP INSULTING MY FUCKING INTELLIGENCE!”

406855 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Ceriain, 54, #57 of 2062 🔗

In January, the (fortunately very few) zealots that I know, were crowing about how close we were to the vaccine ending the restrictions, and so it was doubly important that we follow the rules 🙄 . I am no virologist but I do know viruses mutate. From what I can gather there are thousands of strains of Covid. Now, the policy makers have admitted this fact and also admitted they have quarantined 100,000,s of non infections people because they have been running the PCR tests at over 25 cycles. So just WHEN do these zealots expect this to end???

406901 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Van Allen, 39, #58 of 2062 🔗

We are living in an age where ‘here no evil, see no evil, speak no evil’ is the new mantra of the general public. Most people are aware that viruses like colds and flus mutate every year, just as they are aware it get colds in winter and warm in summer (mostly). But it seems the majority of people out there have lost all prior knowledge or life experience in favour of following ‘the science’. It is a master class in mental manipulation!!
You can’t point any of this out to these sheep; just as you won’t be able to point out the cycle rate, the fall in infections due to seasonality etc.

407305 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Mike, 2, #59 of 2062 🔗

Yep…well I’ve been saying I’m doing a Three Wise Monkeys act of “hear no evil/see no evil/speak no evil” – but what I am referring to is I don’t notice (apparently LOL) any Lockdown rule-breaking and am not a Covid snoop.

406909 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Van Allen, 2, #60 of 2062 🔗

Never

406936 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Van Allen, 26, #61 of 2062 🔗

If the UK were applying the same rules to ” cases” as New Zealand the crisis would be over here as well.
NZ requires
1) A 2nd confirmation PCR test of a first positive.
2 )PCR tests run up to 23 x Ct.

Hey Presto – crisis over and a virus free island.

406961 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Van Allen, 14, #62 of 2062 🔗

The current virus SARS-Cov-2 causes the Covid 19 pneumonia. 99.95% who get that disease recover. SARS 2 is 78% the same as SARS 1 – that’s why it’s called number 2 – and all these current mutations, instead of ‘Kent’ ‘Brazil’ etc, could be called SARS 3, SARS 4 etc. The good news is that basic virology tells us that mutations, though more transmissable, are usually less harmful so let’s tell these ‘our souls’ to Foxtrot Romeo Oscar.

408751 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bungle, #63 of 2062 🔗

You are going to need some bigger numbers. There were ~78,000 variation back in April 2020, with at least 300 in the UK. There are probably double that now.

407147 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Van Allen, 24, #64 of 2062 🔗

Ferguson quoted today saying the Kent variant blindsided them. Its shows how much SAGE know about viruses and how desperately they need to have a lot of virologists advising them (AFAIK there are none on SAGE). They are fucking useless. The NN (I think) posted about Clades yesterday, I had never heard of them, so I looked it up. I was educated, viruses randomly mutate all the time, its not breeding, its just random because they are such simple organisms. It cant be contained, stopped, predicted or managed. Which is exactly why there is no vaccine for the common cold viruses. They aren’t smart they aren’t anything, they are just viruses, one of the simplest forms of life.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.402487v1.full
If anyone reads this they would understand this whole shit show is a vanity and money spinning exercise. No one in the civil service or government seems to spend a minute of their time educating themselves and as for Joe Zealot, they get their news from mumsnet and facebook and Piers Moron so it must be true..

407220 ▶▶▶▶ ituex, replying to iansn, 4, #65 of 2062 🔗

They need more clinical scientists and doctors of medicine as well as economists. The people they have are ‘academic’ people with no medical training whatsoever.

407398 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ituex, 6, #66 of 2062 🔗

Most of them are behavioural psychologists. The rest are merely their mouthpieces.

408757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #67 of 2062 🔗

Most of them are vaccinators, so it is entirely unsurprising that vaccines, vaccines and even more vaccines are the answer.

407994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ituex, 4, #68 of 2062 🔗

What you say might have been true, if all this nonsense was really about combatting a novel coronavirus. It isn’t, so what you and some others are suggesting wouldn’t work in any event. The rabbit hole goes much deeper.

408755 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to iansn, 1, #69 of 2062 🔗

Their ignorance is just a facade for the public who know no better. It all feeds into ‘the myth of danegrous and unknown territory with the brave scientists valiantly struggling to cope with an Evil Virus. This nonsense would be over if the real medics/scientists had the guts to stand en masse. “All it takes for evil to succeed is good men to do nothing”?

406987 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 21, #70 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines work.
Well we need to change the dose plan but they still work.
Well we might not be able to give this one to over 70s, but take this one.
Well we might need a booster in autumn.
Well we might need a mixture of vaccines. With boosters.

Yes you should wear a mask and lock yourself indoors.

407400 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #71 of 2062 🔗

Kerrrchinggg!

408758 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cheezilla, #72 of 2062 🔗

It’s all about the Benjamins baby, as some young female US politico from The Squad bravely said.

406762 jgf, replying to jgf, 102, #73 of 2062 🔗

Virus’s will mutate. So the risk can never be reduced to zero. The logical extension of this is that we should restrict travel to the immediate locale, be it city block or village. A country is far too big an area to allow unrestricted access and be able to contain a mutating virus at the same time. We should venture out in a hazmat suit, and then only for emergencies or to clap to the NHS gods once a week. The rest of the time should be spent indoors. We should spend the entire GDP on vaccines and daily PCR testing. This should continue for the next 10,000 years or so, longer if people do not comply. It may seem excessive but if it saves just one life it is worth it. Remember that we are all in this together and to please put a rainbow picture in your window. These can be purchased from Amazon.

406881 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to jgf, 14, #74 of 2062 🔗

Virus’s will mutate. So the risk can never be reduced to zero.

so true – would have thought any virologist would know that

406917 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Victoria, 10, #75 of 2062 🔗

I wonder if any of these “scientists” are really who they say they are.

406989 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to BertieFox, 18, #76 of 2062 🔗

I have started to give the lizard theory more credence…

407115 ▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to BertieFox, 15, #77 of 2062 🔗

Who knows? Hancock is Health Minister yet he has degrees in philosophy and politics. A bit like me training as a hairdresser but seeking a job as a shorthand typist.

407237 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to lorrinet, 8, #78 of 2062 🔗

No. He has a degree in PPE.

… along with a disproportionate number of others in the HoC.

‘Nuff said.

408100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to RickH, 2, #79 of 2062 🔗

And that’s not personal protective equipment

408760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to RickH, #80 of 2062 🔗

So he isn’t even up to being a dodgy secondhand car salesman? Wot is the woild coming too?

406995 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jgf, 19, #81 of 2062 🔗

Also death from disease will be illegal and anyone found guilty of dying will have to spend ten years in prison the selfish bastards.

407318 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jgf, 8, #82 of 2062 🔗

Long since worked out how to walk to the (very nearby) next county on back ways – in case they put up county boundaries one isn’t allowed to walk over. I just won’t speak to any of those living just across the county boundary in a settlement there – because I know there’s quite a high proportion of Covidians amongst them and that, coupled with a big tendency locally, to ask exactly where one lives (and it is often asked in order that they can graciously make up THEIR minds how I should live MY life LOL).

407985 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ElizaP, 3, #83 of 2062 🔗

I’ve been doing the same. Worked out the back routes around my area a while ago; which ones are useable by motor car, which ones accessible only on foot or by bicycle. Have been progressively doing longer and longer bicycle rides, the intention is to be able to do without a motor car if necessary, ie if movement outside one’s area is restricted (realistically that can only be done by ANPR, so a bicycle will not be checked).

408109 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to ElizaP, 2, #84 of 2062 🔗

Just carry a bit of paper saying “Can’t speak; valid reason for travel concerning mental health”. They will soon foxtrot including the unwashed.

406764 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 25, #85 of 2062 🔗

Why does Hugo Stolkin spend so much of his email to Harriet Harman establishing his woke credentials and boasting about his wonderful life and in the process make sure that his email is far too long to be absorbed? Being generous, perhaps, as someone ‘connected’, he knows that Harman is as inhumane and power obsessed as the rest of them and only lashings of wokeness and pressing all the available buttons has any chance of penetrating her hide. The second paragraph is the only one that matters although a slimmed down version of the third and fourth might have been worth adding.

406766 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 66, #86 of 2062 🔗

If any MP is unaware of what is going on by now then I doubt any letter is going to have any effect.I could list everything you are not allowed to do but it would take too long.Basically life consists of going to work,shopping in supermarkets and going for a walk in the park.And millions of people are unable to work by force of government edict.

406767 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 47, #87 of 2062 🔗

Why is he even bothering to appeal to Labour/Starmer? The only criticism the Opposition have presented is the government should have been more draconian and have been quicker about it, and should have spent even more inflicted even greater harm.

406769 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 36, #88 of 2062 🔗

Be’s bothering because to do something is better than to do nothing.
And it will help to prove, at Nuremberg, that these witless, spineless, pseudo-political poodles knew perfectly well what evil was being done in their name, and sent along with it, in many cases enthusiastically.

406962 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Annie, 17, #89 of 2062 🔗

to do something is better than to do nothing

This is not a given. The very reason we are in this mess is because people (in government) have done something when actually they should have done nothing.

Time after time, in fact, ‘something must be done’ is the hue and cry from the media and the public. To which the politician responds, ‘well, this is something, so we must do this’, no matter how nonsensical the ‘something’ is. All because they conclude that, as you say, “to do something is better than to do nothing”.

406977 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to AidanR, 4, #90 of 2062 🔗

First do NO harm

406998 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to AidanR, 4, #91 of 2062 🔗

Agreed. The best advice to give the public sector is “don’t just do something, stand there”.

406770 ▶▶ Ritchie2, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 23, #92 of 2062 🔗

These days the clear statement of woke credentials are required before they will look at the content of the letter. Although to be fair, writing to the Labour Party was pointless. It’s not as if they’ve offered any viable opposition to government for the last ten years.

407252 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ritchie2, 9, #93 of 2062 🔗

Just to put this into more detailed perspective :

The election of Starmer has put the Labour Party firmly back in the hands of pole-climbing establishment shills. The regime has ‘come out’ and tried to frantically shut down the active involvement of members through the established system of accountability and substitute diktat by unelected functionaries.

Meanwhile, the surge of know-nothing placemen/women as MPs that happened under Blair has continued to have its continuing effects in terms of the Commons.

… as we’ve seen vividly throughout this situation.

406788 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 35, #94 of 2062 🔗

He’s a pragmatist. He’s doing anything he can to get her to see he is rational. MPs ignore most of our emails and send a stock reply because they’ve been warned an evil right-wing extremist group (driven by QAnon) is determined to infect everyone’s minds with conspiracy theories. Because, in the beginning, most of us who knew in our gut something was wrong but couldn’t show what, had no evidence. So we did all sound like conspiracy theorists. But sometimes a theory is TRUE. Sometimes there IS a conspiracy. The BBC conspired to hide Jimmy Savile, the police conspired to hide the truth about Hillsborough. Governments and tobacco companies conspired to hide the truth about the dangers of smoking. These things were covered up for YEARS! That is where we are. Except this time the harms are all worse and more wide spread. But you will never get the attention of an MP or mainstream journalist by saying, “the whole thing is a complete con and now people at dying from a hastily approved vaccine.” You HAVE to nudge the door open with, “Look what a rational person I am, I’m on your side, always have been, here’s a picture of my normal, rational self… please will you consider that there is a different picture than the one you are being constantly fed.” Because they ARE being constantly fed a different picture. They are scared, too. They can’t see their mates. They are locked up, looking at screens. They have been forced into masks and pressured into pushing vaccines. The idea that the health minister is guilty of crimes against humanity is too far fetched for them. You have to dial it all back in order to get them to engage. It’s frustrating – when we know the whole charade and have see the nightmare unfold from the inside – but people, including MPs have been severely brainwashed. They don’t have our perspective. We have to help them, not attack them. Harriet is a decent woman. I hope she starts to wake up.

406792 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #95 of 2062 🔗

Hannah Arendt said that totalitarianism brings about, in otherwise intelligent people, ‘a quite authentic inability to think’.

https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/attheintersectionoffaithandculture/2020/04/a-curious-but-quite-authentic-inability-to-think-the-making-of-the-flat-curve-society-and-the-corona-walkers.html

406810 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 44, #96 of 2062 🔗

As witness the blank uncomprehending faces we are already finding when we tell people we know (even those we used to think of as friends) that we’ve decided not to have The Jab. It’s like it does not compute with them and they regard having The Jab as automatic/not to be even thought about as a decision to make for/against.

406821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to ElizaP, 21, #97 of 2062 🔗

Exactly. They always look at me like I’m a cross between a psycho and leper. I’ve stopped telling the brainwashed fools. Very saddening.

408645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #98 of 2062 🔗

So true.

406975 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #99 of 2062 🔗

Harriet is a decent woman.

‘Harriet’ spent her time in the late 70s and early 80s, along with Patricia Hewitt, providing legal assistance to an organisation called ‘the Paedophile Information Exchange’.

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is fact. Harriet Harman tried to make fucking children respectable.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paedophile-rights-campaign-still-causing-stink-harriet-harman-40-years-1437152

Tell me more about what a decent woman she is.

407173 ▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to AidanR, 17, #100 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. The pair of them were a disgrace. Harman claimed there was ‘no evidence that children are harmed by early sexual encounters’. She is quite a stupid woman – she gave her young sons girls’ toys to play with and was puzzled when they weren’t interested in them. So, we can see that inept and totally unsuitable persons being voted into parliament is nothing new.

408606 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to AidanR, 1, #101 of 2062 🔗

Harriet Harperson.

406955 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 23, #102 of 2062 🔗

I noticed that too. Subconsciously he is aware that the content will be totally disregarded unless it is made clear very early on the he hates Brexit. At least he knows his audience. These MPs are fascist, bigoted, moronic idiots masquerading as liberal human rights warriors. If she got a whiff of anything more conservative than Marx it would be binned or sent to the Stasi as a hate crime.

In fact I am wondering if we would be better off prefacing our MP letters with “I am a Brexit-hating, post-human, trans woman, identifying as a non-binary mixed-race unicorn, vegan (in January, except Chicken) who drives a Prius and an avid Guardian reader (Personal pronouns: Xe/Xim)”.

406970 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheBluePill, -15, #103 of 2062 🔗

Pathetic

407164 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #104 of 2062 🔗

Excellent TBP, thanks, I’ll try your last paragraph on Whately. I think driving a top of the range Tesla might have more cut through in these parts amongst her voters.

407166 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #105 of 2062 🔗

Sometimes its easier to get an answer if you knock on the door instead of kicking it in. I’m the kicking in kind, but in life I have seen others get a lot more success than me by knocking.

406765 Ritchie2, replying to Ritchie2, 25, #106 of 2062 🔗

So, to clarify….

The average rape conviction is 7 years. But your getting 10 years in prison for lying about travel destinations.

OTT punishments and extended restrictions are the beginning of Zero COVID policies. International travel is now unachievable outside of high level sports and the ruling classes. The government is positioning for the NZ/Australian model. ‘Variants’, ‘vaccine resistant’ are the buzzwords that will drive this policy.

On another note, did anyone work out what happened to the Flu? I noticed a heavily subsidised FB video appeared which seems to be saying that COVID has killed off the Flu in a biological sense. I also read it is down to social distancing and the use of unregulated, face masks . Either way, why isn’t there more of a fanfare for the elimination of this endemic disease that has been described in texts going back over 2500 years? I would expect this to be front page news.

406771 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ritchie2, 34, #107 of 2062 🔗

Good new is not allowed.
Not that I believe the flu claim anyway. It’s part of the Great Covid Lie.

406824 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 13, #108 of 2062 🔗

Not that I believe the flu claim anyway. It’s part of the Great Covid Lie.

Me neither. Almost certainly misattribution. Small chance of out-competed. what say Yeadon?

406927 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 5, #109 of 2062 🔗

Opinion is very divided.
It could be:
1) Misattribution.
2) Zealotry
3) The flu may have been supplanted in the host by a newer similar virus in the process alleged above and as detailed over 40 years ago in “The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza by R Edgar Hope- Simpson” which was also commended by Ivor Cummins in his podcast 104 on Vit D
So the last supplantion theory has serious credibility.

It is very unlikely that socialist distancing and muzzles have stoped flu dead and make no difference to Covid, the methods / vectors of transfer are alleged to be the same.

407996 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 8, #110 of 2062 🔗

That’s one of the interesting things about all this. There’s never any real good news. There are hints and rumours and announcements about mights and maybes, but never anything concrete. If anything like that comes up, ie, ‘vaccines will save us’, the government quickly pours cold water on it with some new fear porn.

I am pretty sure that previous authoritarian regimes, eg the Nazis and the Soviets, did not do this – they knew that good news was important to keep spirits up. Even late into 1944 the Germans were claiming in newsreels that they were winning the war and victory was just around the corner.

This lack of even the slightest hope for the population may just prove to be the downfall of the government – even a prisoner in jail has a release date.

406774 ▶▶ Laurence, replying to Ritchie2, 5, #111 of 2062 🔗

If you look at the ONS figures for deaths involving flu and pneumonia in 2020 they are at the same or a slightly higher level than the average of the last 5 years for the period after March.

406772 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 149, #112 of 2062 🔗

Why does virtually nobody look at the COVID situation rationally, even accomplished statisticians who you would expect should know better.

I have been looking at numbers from 4 countries, concentrating on the excess death count, the most objective of figures.

Firstly, the UK. We have a very reliable analysis of excess deaths on an age adjusted mortality basis (AAMR – i.e. adjusting for differences in population and ages between the calendar years) from the institute and Faculty of Actuaries. This shows that there were 54,600 excess deaths in England and Wales over the period from the beginning of the pandemic (14 March 2020) to 1 January 2021. What is interesting is that 51,000 of those were in weeks 10-24 (14 March to 14 June), minus 6900 from 15 June to September 13  (i.e fewer people died than normal in that period), and 10,500 from 14th September to 1st January 2021. So the vast majority of the deaths last year were in March – May, particularly April when excess deaths were running at around 11,000 per week. But to put that into perspective take the oldest and worst affected population demographic, the over 90s. They have a 1 in 4.6 chance of dying in a normal year and last year the chance was 1 in 4.1, an increase of 1 in 46. So they lost most of the meaning and joy in around a quarter of their remaining life for a relatively very small reduction in the chance of dying.

Next, look at France, as we will inevitably be told that the UK is improving more rapidly than the EU as we have successfully rolled out the vaccine. Well if you look at the Insee (French ONS) numbers you will see that the daily excess death rate comparing January 2021 to January 2019 is getting close to zero Download the daily deaths files − Number of daily deaths | Insee For the week ending 18 January 2021 there were 13,782 total deaths compared to 13,700 for the week ending 18 January 2019. It looks like it’s nearly done there – even the government realises there shouldn’t be another lockdown ! Could the UK be following a couple of weeks behind ?

Next, we have of course that old favourite punch bag of the terminally innumerate reality deniers (lockdown supporters as they would call themselves). You can quite easily download two files from the government statistical office (SCB) and do a comparison of age and population consistent death rates for the last few years. You will find the following: in 2020 there were 95,462 deaths. In 2019 on an AAMR consistent basis there were 87,790 (8.1% fewer) – a fair size gap but not something worth shutting an economy down for – well done Sweden, until your ridiculous King got involved ! It then gets more interesting: in 2018 on this basis there were 92,768 deaths (2.8% fewer than 2020) and in 2017 – 94,249 -just 1.3% fewer and if you take into account the fact that there was an extra day in 2020 the difference was just 1%. So 2020 wasn’t an exceptionally bad year, in fact it was 2019 that was unbelievably good (similarly to the UK).

Finally, let’s look at the US, where nearly one quarter of all the COVID deaths in the world have supposedly taken place – over 450,000. Or have they ? The official COVID death count for last year was 402,369, however excess deaths taking age into account (AAMR basis)  were around 362,000. Even more interesting were the excess deaths over 75 years old which were only 167,484. Now, in every country in the world (other than the official US figures) 75% of COVID deaths are amongst the over 75s, so the probable deaths from COVID were most likely around 223,312 (168,464 divided by 0.75). In other words, per capita an outcome better than the UK.

So why are the medical and political establishment so innumerate ? That is a question I can’t answer, as it has been obvious to me and many others here, since March 2020, that COVID was going to kill but at around the same level or lower than those dying of causes including flu and pneumonia (last year it was roughly half this level) and would affect predominantly the very old.

Since then, this has been proven absolutely correct, and it has also been shown that lockdowns achieve virtually nothing other than in cases where they were started very early (e.g Germany, Poland, Switzerland) where they have served only to delay deaths for a few months but then catch up.

We who have been against lockdown from the start, particularly of the under 70s (what I suggested in March 2020), should be proud. The medical community and the politicians, and those pathetic statisticians who ran along with them, need to explain why they have destroyed tens of millions of lives.

406773 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laurence, 56, #113 of 2062 🔗

Why are our oppressors so innumerate, you ask?
It’s an old question, though its lethal consequences have only become fully apparent since the beginning if the bollox.
Somebody, I think it was John Allen Paulos, pointed out long ago that whereas to be illiterate in our society is thought to be shameful – or at least, a shameful condition that is somebody else’s fault – no stigma attaches to innumeracy, which many people admit to with a laugh, or even boast about. The abysmal standard of school mathematics is both a symptom and a cause.
Yet another abscess in the rotting body of British society.
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From an Amazon synopsis of Paulos’ book Innumeracy :

“A humorous study which suggests that our inability to deal rationally with very large numbers, or the probabilities associated with them, results in misinformed governmental policies, confused personal decisions and an increased susceptibility to pseudo-sciences of all kinds.”

And how.

406858 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, 34, #114 of 2062 🔗

Last year I encountered a fourteen year old who asked me, ‘What is twice 43’, ‘Eighty-six’. I responded. He seemed very pleased to have his problem solved.

Endeavouring to teach him something I said, ‘So what is twice four’. ‘Six’, he answered. I frowned, ‘Oh sorry, five’, he said. He was being taught science! Probably has all the makings of an epidemiologist.

I am not sure what proportion of the population has ‘achieved’ this level of innumeracy.

406926 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basileus, 23, #115 of 2062 🔗

About 149%. Or eleventy million in real terms.

407796 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #116 of 2062 🔗

Gosh, as bad as that.

408660 ▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Sam Vimes, #117 of 2062 🔗

Brilliant, best laugh all day

406984 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Basileus, 15, #118 of 2062 🔗

My daughter has a friend who is a primary school teacher. She’s probably quite a good teacher, BUT….. She needed a pass at GCSE maths in order to get into teacher training college. It took her 2 attempts to pass the exam, merely scraping the bottom grade the second time.
It’s people like that who are teaching maths to the very young. And you wonder why the nation is innumerate.

407235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Zeppo595, replying to Felice, 2, #119 of 2062 🔗

That doesn’t really make sense. The fact she struggled so hard to pass the exam might make her a better teacher who can understand how hard maths is for some learners.

407490 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Zeppo595, 4, #120 of 2062 🔗

Thats the optimistic view!

408504 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Zeppo595, 2, #121 of 2062 🔗

And then again it might make her bloody useless.

407294 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 3, #122 of 2062 🔗

Numbers? I am numblexic so numbers are maths is something that is just a little broken with me. As a result I know I am really crap at maths and numbers.

So I don’t really get a sense of the values involved, the relationship between values is lost on me somehow, an abstract concept, not innate, not a natural feeling.. I need to really think about it. I have never really managed to pin down exactly what the problem is with me and maths.

I just had the idea that people who have a little ability in maths THINK they are much better at numbers than they really are. To a person who is really good at maths I would imagine its like being good at another language and its almost like philosophy.

Most people are just OK at “maths”, adding up n taking away and that..

So here we have the infallibility of numbers and maths for them. A rigid belief in statistics and maths and numbers.

They are SO GOOD at maths….That there can be no criticism or some numbers presented as credible from a source they see as really good with numbers and so, infallible.

Perhaps in this case a little knowledge and a little mathematical ability does more harm then good, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Hummm, This is a bit hard to convey. Its an interesting idea for me anyway and I need to have a think about it a bit more.

407420 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 4, #123 of 2062 🔗

While still at junior school, my granddaughter was expected to do the sort of maths I did for o-level. So it was before her basic numeracy skills and grasp of arithmetic were firmly in place. I blame the national curriculum, which frequently puts the cart before the horse.

407338 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 3, #124 of 2062 🔗

Some are indeed pretty innumerate and it’s just how it is. I’m one of them and, thankfully, I can work out figures enough to do basic arithmetic and keep on top of my finances. But gawdaloneknows how I got a good result in an official IQ test done on us all way back in my schooldays – as I try to remember just how much of that test must have been to test that aspect out. Yep – 130 IQ and I didn’t pass my maths O level LOL.

408227 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, #125 of 2062 🔗

should of chalked up in darts more

406777 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Laurence, 26, #126 of 2062 🔗

It appears plainly obvious to me that the vaccine is having little-to-no impact on figures and may in fact be making things worse.

406802 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #127 of 2062 🔗

No better or worse, just a panacea for the collaborators.

406861 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #128 of 2062 🔗

Watch UK Column for Monday. Care home deaths appear to be correlated with vaccinations.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-8th-february-2021

408507 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #129 of 2062 🔗

The vaccines are having an effect, but regrettably it seems to be death.

408767 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Rowan, #130 of 2062 🔗

that and improving the bottom line of Big Pharma.

406799 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Laurence, 7, #131 of 2062 🔗

Great post. Thanks.

406819 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Laurence, 4, #132 of 2062 🔗

Brilliant stuff! Thanks.

406823 ▶▶ SallyM, replying to Laurence, 2, #133 of 2062 🔗

Very interesting.

There were many excess deaths in the US from dementia last year (tens of thousands I seem to recall reading), so your figure is presumably too high. As a starting point, however, it’s very enlightening.

406933 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Laurence, 1, #134 of 2062 🔗

Thanks.Great post again

407263 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Laurence, 3, #135 of 2062 🔗

the excess death count, the most objective of figures .”

Sorry – but it isn’t. ‘Excess deaths’ is a rubber ruler, stretched and distorted to suit.

In the present situation with the distortion of causes, the ‘most objective of figures’ is all-cause mortality placed in a meaningful context.

408511 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RickH, 1, #136 of 2062 🔗

Yes, but many deaths are the direct result of lockdowns and refusal to treat.

407767 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Laurence, 1, #137 of 2062 🔗

It’s the great reset by the technocrats. Say goodbye to all freedom

408214 ▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to Laurence, 3, #138 of 2062 🔗

Statistically literate people have been looking at the data and pointing things out from day 1. There was a time when Prof Spieglehalter would be giving his opinion to radio progs and things as often as sandwich board Ferguson. I have heard seminars and talks from real stats researchers that had more than a skeptic tone to them. But the fact is, only a small fraction of real researchers like the media attention, and many just prefer to toil away in private and only present findings to colleagues. Very few scientists are the absolute narcissists of the Ferguson type – so absolutely resolute in the importance of their own research that they indulge in the media circus as frequently as he does. I had an unpleasant experience of unwanted press for a paper I published about 5 years ago, and it is not something I would repeat in a hurry. It takes a lot of energy to continuously counter dodgy science pushed with the fervour that Ferguson does, and I would guess many statistical researchers just want to get on with their own work. Not an excuse as such, just reality. Everyone is trying to get through this in their own way.

406776 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 60, #139 of 2062 🔗

Just scanned the headlines but must say I am very glad the zero-Covid nutters are firmly in the crosshairs. Even your average bedwetter is starting to turn against these clowns. This needs to be the thin end of our wedge that we ram home until they are chewing on the entire sceptic argument.

Also good to see SAGE minutes being scrutinised. Hopefully this site is finding its way again.

406778 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 52, #140 of 2062 🔗

anybody that advocates the mass stripping of human rights should be declared a domestic terrorist. that includes the government, zero-covid and the majority of the public health weirdos

406780 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to steve_w, 33, #141 of 2062 🔗

I genuinely think we can attain a very large foothold by very vocally and very visibly discrediting zero-Covid. It is (and always was) pie in the sky.

406789 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #142 of 2062 🔗

It’s a religion in NZ.

406793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 28, #143 of 2062 🔗

They are the global equivalent of ‘stay at home’ goons. Enjoying their imports and services that come from the toil of others whilst also lording it over the very same people that they judge so harshly. Horrible selfish country.

406817 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 9, #144 of 2062 🔗

I know! VERY shocked when a formerly intelligent friend in NZ expressed joy at being “covid free”!

406840 ▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Annie, 7, #145 of 2062 🔗

We don’t all follow it here – are you aware of covidplanb.co.nz?

406925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to optocarol, 9, #146 of 2062 🔗

Are you in NZ? We have to break this insane narrative. NZ is being used to “prove” you can achieve “zero covid”. Any country can achieve “zero covid” if they stop testing people!!

406951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to optocarol, 5, #147 of 2062 🔗

PS I just found this site. THANK YOU! It’s NZ’s version of HART. We need more international cooperation and coordination between these independent groups (PANDA is another one) to put pressure on governments. Anyone know any others in other countries?

407232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #148 of 2062 🔗

PANDA is excellent. Richard Atlas on board.

407489 ▶▶▶▶▶ musicgirl, replying to Annie, 3, #149 of 2062 🔗

They don’t all think it’s amazing, I know several Kiwis who think of life as now being in a permanent prison.

408773 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 1, #150 of 2062 🔗

It is a one way street. Immunity comes through exposure to nasty things like germs and bugs and such. Over time, the will end up like the Martians in War of the Worlds when something nasty does break through their barriers.

407042 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 8, #151 of 2062 🔗

100% agree. I caused some offence on Facebook the other day by stating that the country’s being run by ‘sociopathic academics on a power trip’. But it is.

408775 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to mattghg, #152 of 2062 🔗

If I was feeling optimistic, I would think they were offended by your use of ‘sociopathic’ rather than ‘psychopathic’.

408084 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to steve_w, 1, #153 of 2062 🔗

According to YouGov polls the majority back quarantine etc. Over 70% back travel restrictions and over 83% think we should have to quarantine. I am amazed.

406911 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #154 of 2062 🔗

I wonder if more and more people are waking up to the fact that the government are taking the piss with their endless Teenage Mutant Ninja virus versions.

Is it news to them that viruses mutate? Who knew?

Time to exert more pressure on these clowns. The more they expose themselves the more the gullible will start to wake up and see how they’ve been played.

407160 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #155 of 2062 🔗

On yesterday’s ATL another quack was saying not to worry that the vaccine did not cover The SA mutation because your body could deal with the mutation. WHAT’S THIS? Our immune system can deal with the virus? How can this be? We need more jabs!! What’s that old joke more pricks than a porcupine!!

407116 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #156 of 2062 🔗

You obviously have no idea what is going on. Extreme positions are put forward, then false opposition or scepticism to them is the response and then later on those extreme positions are accepted.

It is a form of conditioning wherby the subject is more likely to accept something he is familiar with beforehand.

407432 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #157 of 2062 🔗

Yes. Psy-op!

406782 Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, replying to Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, 53, #158 of 2062 🔗

You do not ‘write to your MP’ or ‘vote’ your way out of a dictatorship, but it’s going to take at least another 12 months for people to realise this.

The world as you know it has gone.

“What luck, for governments, that the people are stupid!” – Adolf Hitler

406830 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, 27, #159 of 2062 🔗

You do not ‘write to your MP’ or ‘vote’ your way out of a dictatorship…. The world as you know it has gone.

utterly gone. Only way out will be very violent….and may be in generations, not 12 months or so. So depressing. Any other conclusion, for me, is a denial i can’t keep up any more.

406935 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #160 of 2062 🔗

Very well said

408240 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #161 of 2062 🔗

I feel that too

407064 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, 9, #162 of 2062 🔗

There’s really only 2 ways out of this thoroughly corrupt system of (western) governance.

  1. Civil war in the west, an ideological war which in all practical terms has already started. (the other side is winning).
  2. A natural disaster that dwarfs the covid narrative.

I’ve felt for a long time now that there’s no political solution to the way civilisation is evolving. The system now exists to serve itself, people are just the cogs that maintain it. The western system of governance has become to powerful to be overthrown by civil unrest. With every technological advance we impose greater slavery upon ourselves to the system.

I think the only way to save our humanity is if nature in some way intervenes & we are humbled by a major natural event! I know that sounds exceptionally pessimistic & of course I don’t want people to suffer but I think that’s what it will take to save our species. Otherwise we are just becoming more & more like drones in an ant colony.

Either way the future is bleak, nothing stays the same forever, forget the old normal its history its never going to be that way again regardless of how you feel about it. Hard times are coming, reliance on the state will only make your personal experience harsher.

407103 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #163 of 2062 🔗

Or

3. China over reach and start a kinetic war against Taiwan or maybe even Australia….

407216 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #164 of 2062 🔗

True I did not notice I was not living in a democracy until I needed a democratic answer to a problem. There have been too many “face saving” opportunities missed by this government. In the summer deaths were miniscule. They could have busted out the flags and boasted that they had it beat. Instead they ramped up testing to massive amounts and then mandated masks??

Now we reach another victory chance, hospital admissions down, deaths down, infections down. Do it now. We have it beaten, vaccines a success we did it. Thow away your mask, all praise the fat pig dictator. BUT! Still they dither, why? You can say your lockdowns worked, shut all us sceptics up and be carried off on shoulders. This just highlights to me they don’t have a dinky doo! They are just blustering along cherry picking other countries ideas. You have noticed NZ is the other side of the world. Did you notice the vast majority of the countries on that side of the world all had the same virus conditions and results? Italy are moving away from lockdown, France is teetering and you just totally ignore Sweden. I cannot wait to read handjob and the fat pig dictator covid diaries, how it was all the chuckle brothers fault.

407449 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #165 of 2062 🔗

Moolah and vaccine ensure they don’t waver.

407849 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #166 of 2062 🔗

It is very indicative that many mythic and cosmic cycles ,such as the Kali Yuga, point to 2025 – 30 as significant. The Hopi term Koyaanisquatsi, meaning life out of balance is just about where we are now. The film from 1982 by Godfrey Reggio, scored by Phillip Glass shows this well.

407497 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, #167 of 2062 🔗

Yes its time those like Peter Hitchens realised that too. I have great respect for him but think his strategy for getting out of this is a pathetic joke.

406785 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 33, #169 of 2062 🔗

Tales from the exotic East.

I’m walking back from the market, and beside a votive garland stall is slumped a homeless man. A blue face mask escapes his grasp. It flies a short distance into a puddle, after an unseasonable dry-season rain shower in the night. Undeterred, he crawls across the pavement to fetch it, and dutifully hooks the muddied thing over his face.

This is a man who literally lives in the gutters of Bangkok, his body playing host to God knows what contagions, and doubtless immune to all of them by now. Pity the virus that penetrates his mask of virtue and filth.

The New Abnormal.

406966 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #170 of 2062 🔗

This is one major issue I have with the mandatory masking. Not only is it a health and environmental hazard but its also anti-poor. The poor who are already struggling to survive find that they’re being punished further for existing and worse are brainwashed like the others.

406787 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 27, #171 of 2062 🔗

Hancock is done for now!
Hysterics in the extreme.
Hope this now gets used to bring perspective

406790 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to MFvH, 20, #172 of 2062 🔗

He’s been unhinged for some time. I’m surprised our security services aren’t more concerned.

406794 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to MFvH, 2, #173 of 2062 🔗

Could well be a cry for help. “What the fuck do I have to say before they cart me out and lock me up a nice, safe hospital?” I used to think trump was doing that, too, when he made his insane remarks on Twitter.

406957 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MFvH, 6, #174 of 2062 🔗

Every word he utters and decision he enacts is fully approved over his head. A minister is only a messenger for the PM.

406795 PatrickF, 2, #175 of 2062 🔗

I love the lockdown. Another lie to add to my charge sheet.

406796 Annie, replying to Annie, 23, #176 of 2062 🔗

Hannah Arendt, contemplating Eichmann, noted that he could jettison one set of rules and moral concepts and espouse another, however evil, without difficulty and without being aware of any contradiction. This made notions of guilt, remorse, and moral responsibility irrelevant to him.
Wankok to the life. Could they be related?

406800 ▶▶ TC, replying to Annie, 5, #177 of 2062 🔗

Approx 2% of men can apparently kill without remorse.
It doesn’t mean that they do but maybe some just seek to use power and do it wholesale.
Have a nice day,everyone.

406814 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 25, #178 of 2062 🔗

His non-verbal language gives him away – those facial expressions. So it’s not a case with him of “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. He knows very well what he’s doing – but does it anyway.

406832 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to ElizaP, 15, #179 of 2062 🔗

He’s full-blown NPD. Zero empathy, narcopath.

407446 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 1, #180 of 2062 🔗

Both sociopaths.

406797 TC, replying to TC, 25, #181 of 2062 🔗

Good morning.
Not sure if it;s been posted but Oxford Uni to look at ivermectin about which msm seems to have gone quiet.
If Third World countries seem to be using it effectively then you would like to think even the fools and duplicitous so and sos in the msm here might push it more? God knows they push all the other, negative news.
Link here: https://trialsitenews.com/oxfords-principle-trial-bringing-ivermectin-directly-into-the-developed-world-in-the-battle-against-covid-19/
If I’ve learned anything from this epidemic it will be never to buy a newspaper again, nor to subscribe to them online and probably ( but only when SWMBO goes) junk the TV set.

406809 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TC, 39, #182 of 2062 🔗

It seems to me that if a quarter of the effort and money that has been ploughed into vaccines had been directed at treatments for serious covid we would be now have treatments in place that would have relegated this disease to an irksome nuisance rather than a cause for mass hysteria.

406812 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #183 of 2062 🔗

if we’d spent the money we spent on tackling this ‘pandemic’ elsewhere, we could have cured cancer and had a Mars base

406813 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to TC, 1, #184 of 2062 🔗

As I don’t have a tv what is SWMBO?

406816 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Judy Watson, 8, #185 of 2062 🔗

She Who Must Be Obeyed.

I’ve got one of those too.

407223 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Katabasis, #186 of 2062 🔗

Yes got two. Wife and 21 yo daughter!

407240 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TC, 1, #187 of 2062 🔗

The Light Paper is your friend

406801 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 63, #188 of 2062 🔗

“Already pressure is mounting from backbench MPs”

I read this phrase a lot and all it ever amounts to is the “pressure” of a wet fart in the wind.

407245 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Katabasis, 3, #189 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely. Always the definition of controlled opposition

406806 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #190 of 2062 🔗

Do we think a subversive campaign to get Covid-nutters to ink themselves would work? Something that shows them up for the complete sausages they are. Like the Manchester bee one (which I don’t have a problem with btw).

406807 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #191 of 2062 🔗

Getting them to wear two masks at once is good enough for me.

406811 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Katabasis, 7, #192 of 2062 🔗

I was thinking something more permanent. Something regrettable and that requires remedial action.

408256 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Tom Blackburn, #193 of 2062 🔗

HE HE

406808 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 20, #194 of 2062 🔗

Are we saying ‘red list countries ‘ because to say ‘bla*k list countries’ is racist?

406833 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 17, #195 of 2062 🔗

Gross insult to ‘native Americans’.
But of course, you’re right. Woke Fascism.

406879 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 8, #196 of 2062 🔗

Yes most of Africa is is on the red list

406815 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 40, #197 of 2062 🔗

The 10 years/quarantine/hard borders is straight from the zero-covid lot. Devi Sridhar has been banging the drum for effectively permanently closed border for ages.

It seems the zero-covid fanatics are now running the show. So expect lockdown to move into regional tiers with travel restricted between them

406825 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 49, #198 of 2062 🔗

I remember hearing someone say that whilst a successful company needs a good accountant it is important that the Chief Executive makes sure that the accountant never runs the company, they will run it into the ground with caution. It seems to me that Hancock and all the health tyrants are very much in the accountant category and with no effective Chief executive to take a dynamic pro-active approach they are like a bunch of accountants running the country into the ground with caution.
The fault lies with Johnson, a vacuous, lazy, spineless jelly-bag who is completely out of his depth. It should be him who is standing up and shaping the overall direction of our Public Health Policy and defining what it is for and what it can and cannot do.
As it is he is letting the accountants run the company into the ground.

406826 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #199 of 2062 🔗

good analogy. yes. if you let any special interest group run the country it would be a fuck up.

the zero carbon lot or the road traffic accident campaigners or anti-meat etc

any group would ban the thing they don’t like. The politicians should balance freedom with harm – always erring towards freedom

The current group running the country are trying to ‘ban’ covid and by the time they realise its a fool’s errand there won’t be anything left

406828 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 43, #200 of 2062 🔗

I agree about Johnson. His initial ‘take it on the chin’ approach was correct. But he couldn’t stand up to the health fascists. It would have been easy to do – ‘show me the cost benefit analysis’, ‘we are sticking with the pandemic plan until you give me a good reason not to’, ‘anybody who advocates wide-scale human rights removal will be put in prison’ etc

406842 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 21, #201 of 2062 🔗

Indeed. He had a chance to show real courage, but he blew it.

406849 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 26, #202 of 2062 🔗

and there’s no way back for him. he deferred to the public health oddballs – to overrule them now would be to admit the entire strategy was wrong

he needs removing

406875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to steve_w, 15, #203 of 2062 🔗

He does, and fast.

408779 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to steve_w, #204 of 2062 🔗

He was hit by covid (allegedly) at just the right time. Back in 2001, some US politicians opposed the introduction of the pre-written US PATRIOT Act as a response to the 11 September incident. They, and some like minded media people, just happened to receive letters containing military-grade anthrax. Unsurprisingly, they changed their minds.

406818 steve_w, 23, #205 of 2062 🔗

Sweden coming to the end of their second season

A free liberal democracy with less ‘deaths’ than most of fascist Europe

406820 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 25, #206 of 2062 🔗

Hi everyone.

HUGE NEW PODCAST TODAY!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7768657-ep-19-the-only-thing-to-fear-is-fear-itself-dr-nicola-ridgeway-interview

This week we have our first guest – Dr Nicola Ridgeway a Clinical Psychologist who wants to talk to us about the current covid mental health crisis.
We talk about how mental health is being affected by the lockdown. How the government has deliberately frightened a nation. We talk about fear, comfort behaviors like wearing a mask, life and much more.

I’m really proud of this episode. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did making it.

Lord R.

406894 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #207 of 2062 🔗

Very good edition which explores our thinking etc – some nuggets for everyone here!

407058 ▶▶ LS99, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #208 of 2062 🔗

Looking forward to listening to this later.

407243 ▶▶ ituex, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #209 of 2062 🔗

Brilliant episode. She gave very good advice. Open your business, don’t wear a mask, live your life normally. Very positive attitude, also optimistic. I can’t remember when I last heard anyone that optimistic about the long term.

406827 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 72, #210 of 2062 🔗

So this is our hellscape of a world now. Those who exercise their right to freedom of movement get 10 years in prison, but the inhuman bastards who have deprived us of human contact and any sort of agency, forced people to lose their livelihoods, denied children an education and coerced vulnerable people into taking an experimental medical treatment are still allowed to walk freely among us.

406831 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Poppy, 28, #211 of 2062 🔗

They will pay. Stay strong, stay angry, resist.

406920 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 4, #212 of 2062 🔗

Of course. ‘Twas ever thus. And on full pay, plus expenses.

407249 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Poppy, 8, #213 of 2062 🔗

Ah you see Poppy when they say we, they don’t mean them, they mean you. You stay at home, you lose your job, you wear a mask, you and your kids schools are closed, you can’t have holidays and you can’t see your friends. We however can do what we fucking like as this does not impact them.

407487 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Poppy, 7, #214 of 2062 🔗

Poppy,

I suggest we start a campaign to get you elected as PM with new party to back you.

408816 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Poppy, #215 of 2062 🔗

Nuremberg trials #2 for those people

406829 PastImperfect, 3, #216 of 2062 🔗

California lawyer, Jan 6, 2021

https://youtu.be/mllca8PkX-s

English at 4 minute mark

406834 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #217 of 2062 🔗

More madness:

(Though one of our LS number has just posted a video of him doing a dance routine in a snow-covered field dancing to Boogie Wonderland . Mercifully, he was not spotted by the rozzers)

406877 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 21, #218 of 2062 🔗

Children are being abused by the state – school closures, denying the right to play and relax, denying the right to socialise with friends.

Lots of children becoming more and more anxious and mentally fragile as these draconian lockdowns continue.

Even the 8 year old now despairing that this will never end – never thought I would see such a young child in so much pain

406960 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Victoria, 15, #219 of 2062 🔗

In our town, and I suspect many others, play areas are ‘Closed’, due to Covid. I have torn the notices down and recommend that we should all do that.
Children need to play.

406980 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 10, #220 of 2062 🔗

I’m happy to report that there were about 5 kids (probably about 6 years old) having a great time playing in our snow-covered park yesterday. Thankfully, the stasi were nowhere to be seen.

But, yes, the damage being done to children will be incalculable. How those responsible can sleep at night, I do not know.

407000 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #221 of 2062 🔗

Jesus wept. Thankfully during my walks saw loads of kids having fun and no Gestapo to be seen.

They should be ashamed of themselves. Kids look up to them and now they’re seeing that they’re nothing but wolves in sheep’s clothing.

406835 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 9, #222 of 2062 🔗

So the CDC (and the UK by extension) invent new reporting rules for a respiratory disease and possibly violate state and federal laws.

Oh the sauce.

https://jdfor2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/adf864_165a103206974fdbb14ada6bf8af1541.pdf

406844 ▶▶ J-Knight, replying to mhcp, 1, #223 of 2062 🔗

It would be nice if they had a follow-up with an update for whole year mortality and comparison of reporting standards….

406851 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mhcp, 3, #224 of 2062 🔗

UK will be similar – March 2020 changes to MCCD. Maybe not 16 x less, but at least half the dead count would not be CV related. This would put 2020 in the zone as a bad flu year for the elderly. There is no pandemic. Death rates are within the historical average (1 per 000).

406836 musicgirl, 6, #225 of 2062 🔗

This is a very interesting read:

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/01/bystander-at-switch-moral-case-against.html

I almost shared it on pointy-finger-rant-book but then realised I’d probably just get shouted down by people who only want to hear what they want to hear and can’t face admitting supporting lockdowns is supporting the deaths of millions of vulnerable people.

The head of the World Food Program WFP has warned that the “equivalent of 400 million full-time jobs have been destroyed” by government mandated COVID lockdowns and that there are now “270 million people marching towards the brink of starvation” (full article here ). “

406837 B.F.Finlayson, 24, #226 of 2062 🔗

Already pressure is mounting from backbench MPs to announce when these restrictions will be eased.

Already ? Is this a joke, ffs? MPs of all stripes have been propping up the New Corona Kingdom since last March, encouraged by 10K spending money for fake Zoom expenses and an above inflation pay rise. I probably wouldn’t mind so much if they didn’t whore themselves out so cheaply; if politicians are going to predictably corrupt, they surely owe it to us plebs to be really corrupt so we can string ’em up joyfully.
PS: A replacement flag and Thursday night sing-&-clap-along anthem is urgently needed for the N.C.K, so probably time for Boris to call in more Tory cronies.

406838 Will, replying to Will, 6, #227 of 2062 🔗

Somehow we have to make people realise that the country is now intent on a policy advocated by Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott.

406845 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Will, 22, #228 of 2062 🔗

Somehow we have to make people realise that the country…

…is being run by a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, ex-public school cretins intent on re-establishing feudal governance, demolishing hard won civil liberties, ignoring basic human rights, corporatising all economic transactions and re-allocating previously distributed wealth back up the food chain. Corbyn & Abbott were not in power when I last checked…

406848 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 13, #229 of 2062 🔗

Spot on. DePiffle et al are far worse than c&a; same policies but with brazen betrayal and industrial lying/MIS-selling.

406871 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #230 of 2062 🔗

I think you misunderstand my point. Corbyn and Abbott are toxic, politically. If the narrative that they are behind the push for zero covid can gain traction there is a chance people will start to realise what this corrupt, spineless government are intent on doing. I am not absolving Johnson, Wancock and the corrupt advisors, I am saying we need to approach the argument from a different angle to try and shake people to their senses. Make them realise that the policy of zero covid is the policy of the hard left and the useless government are too stupid to realise the hard left are leading the country to ruinous collapse.

406949 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Will, 9, #231 of 2062 🔗

The myth of there being a ‘hard left’ of any credible sort has blighted British political commentary & decision making for far too long, and protected successive inept governments. Since the 90s we have been governed via convenient neo-liberal centrist administrations. Whether Blair-Brown-Clegg/Cam-Cam-May-Johnson (or should that be Starmer/Johnson?), there is not a Rizla paper width between them.
The increasing narrowness of centrist parties and MSM supporters has forced it to invent a hard left and a hard right narrative, and populate it with straw panto villains like ‘Commie Corbyn’. Meanwhile it is this centrist hegemony that is destroying the UK in a way hitherto undreamed of, but the fact it isn’t a neo-Stalinist or neo-Francoist junta in power has led the populace to be convinced it can’t really be happening.
After all we have a moderate TORY government; so NI hasn’t really been annexed by the EU, we are all free to move and socialise as we please, cultural events have not been forbidden, freedom of assembly and other inalienable human rights are still intact, our economy isn’t being deliberately decimated, education is sacrosanct, fines aren’t being handed out by a radicalised police force etc…
But let’s watch out for the hard left , they want to take over!!! Take over what?

407052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 6, #232 of 2062 🔗

I couldn’t give a flying fuck about any of that, I just want lockdown lifted and I certainly don’t want the country to go down the ruinous road of zero covid. If that means we have to scapegoat Corbyn and Abbott, because they are politically toxic and regarded as hard left, to try and shake some sense into people, then so be it. When lockdown is lifted you can get back to your Socialist Worker party meetings and sing your Jeremy Corbyn songs.

407106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Will, 3, #233 of 2062 🔗

When lockdown is lifted..

Your response illustrates precisely why this duplicitous Tory/Lab coalition government are getting away (literally) with murder. You don’t need Zero Covid hysterics to oppress a nation; just lies, incompetence and agenda driven advisors. Oh, and credulous sceptics…

407125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to B.F.Finlayson, -1, #234 of 2062 🔗

I haven’t seen you posting here before and suspect you are here as a government plant to attempt to spread division.

407269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Will, 3, #235 of 2062 🔗

I haven’t seen you posting here before

Not my problem. LS should make previous comments easily accessible.

….suspect you are here as a government plant….

Are you serious? Didn’t you accuse me of being a SWP member in a previous reply? What would any ‘government plant ‘ be doing here wasting their time when there are so many credulous self-proclaimed sceptics prepared to buy so easily into the government ( Tory btw ) lockdown narrative?

407309 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to B.F.Finlayson, -1, #236 of 2062 🔗

Maybe you could highlight left wing politicians who are opposed to lockdown.

407463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Will, 1, #237 of 2062 🔗

That would be difficult as there aren’t any left wing MPs, and there aren’t any right wing MPs. As previous stated they are all carefully selected government compliant centrists, despite what you might choose to think.

408785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #238 of 2062 🔗

Both sides are financed (at top level) by billionaires. They do what their paymasters expect them to do. The Left/Right thing is there to give an appearance of democracy and the possibility of voting for change.

406839 Annie, replying to Annie, 21, #239 of 2062 🔗

Did Poodle Parliament get to vote on Wankok’s latest brutal Fascist diktat? Do juries get to consider their verdicts? Remember that before Peel’s sweeping reforms, when you could be hanged for stealing a sheep, juries made the system unworkable by refusing to convict even on the most blatant evidence.

However, a jury of zombies would probably clamour for a death sentence for visiting Brighton.

406843 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 20, #240 of 2062 🔗

Parliament? voting? democracy? juries? justice? what quaint antiquated ideas! We are taken aback when the military take over in Myanmar and yet the ruling junta in the UK have been running on a martial law system for some while. And it is addictive, now our ruling commissariat have tasted totalitarian authoritarianism they will not want to give it up.

408786 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Martindale, #241 of 2062 🔗

The military took action to prevent a pro-US CIA-orchestrated regime change op from happening. The Kyii woman is a CIA asset.

406841 steve_w, 35, #242 of 2062 🔗

Lucky Sweden followed the plan they had in place and advocated by the WHO

Number 19 in deaths per million in Europe

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The last free country in Europe

Lockdowns kill

406846 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #243 of 2062 🔗

Individuals and communities would be motivated to conform and support the plan as part of a social consensus – a collective objective for the regional populations. It would be assisted by local daily communication with the public. “

That’s all Chinese to me.

407650 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #244 of 2062 🔗

Pure CCP!

406847 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 41, #245 of 2062 🔗

The Oxford vaccine is ineffective against the SA strain. Luckily the researchers reckon they can tweak the vaccine and have a new version ready ‘in a few months’. So only a few months more of lockdown and then we can vaccinate our way out of this!

Haven’t I heard this before?

We aren’t getting out of this

406870 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 9, #246 of 2062 🔗

Until the Icelandic strain arrives. Just ahead of the Romanian strain which was straining to race ahead of the Mongolian variant…..etc

406850 alw, 4, #247 of 2062 🔗

“It would be a poor solution to the coming employment crisis to prop up Test and Trace as a job creation scheme or quarantines as a subsidy to the hospitality industry. Let’s use those resources to create real jobs in a functioning economy.” (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1359153633594662919 )

406852 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #248 of 2062 🔗

It is great to see Joe Boot in the links. A pity he isn’t Archbishop of Canterbury. If only the secularists could understand that totalitarianism is the inevitable result of the rejection of God’s rule and law.

406866 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 7, #249 of 2062 🔗

When you serve Mammon and the Great Satan one should not be surprised to be effaced by them…..oddly the ‘Enlightenment’ most of it propaganda, which promoted endless ‘rights’ has now led to this….the inevitable totalitarianism of the me-focused cult of endless individuality guarded by state power and statism (100 genders, anti-White racism, unfettered Muslim immigration, the 4th EU German Reich, eco-Fascism, Warmtards, the Bidentard unDemocratic party etc etc). Modern society is not scientific. It is ineffably insipid.

406902 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 1, #250 of 2062 🔗

That about sums it up.

406854 alw, replying to alw, 5, #251 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps LS can find some legal eagle to comment.

406862 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to alw, 4, #252 of 2062 🔗

Laws? Interesting idea. Henry II parish courts perhaps? 1215 Great Charter? 1260 provisions of Oxford? International covenants incl Nuremberg, WHO…. Nah. Today there are lax laws for BAME and Muslims, and laws for the rest of us. CV 19 illegality is simply part of a general trend since 1990. Laws and reality are optional. We need ‘strong rule’ to ‘get us through this ‘war”……etc bleat the sheeple and Fake News.

408787 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FerdIII, #253 of 2062 🔗

Somebody will be making a nice earner from the jail fees if it goes ahead. First it was for travel out of country, then it was for travel out of region, then it was for travel out of county. @Niemoller2021

406887 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to alw, 4, #254 of 2062 🔗

Not a legal eagle, but I have seen the question come up before. If I recall, the answer was that individuals cannot take legal action personally. Only a state can make formal complaint on behalf of its citizens. I suppose the real answer is that the WHO have no legal status and presumably cannot impose laws on an individual state.

We have seen all to many times already how their advice has been ignored by this country along with many others.

406857 l835, replying to l835, 6, #255 of 2062 🔗

10 years for lying about your holiday destination. Why not 10 years for claiming to be mask exempt, or couples shopping together?

406859 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to l835, 11, #256 of 2062 🔗

If you don’t show your CV religiosity piety, diapers, bulging eyes, shitting pants (soon to be mandatory), distancing, turning your back constantly (soon to be mandatory), you will simply be shot. Public health, in-it-together, protect the NHS etc. Your family will be charged the cost of the bullet and firing squad. They will hang a yellow star outside your door.

406883 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to l835, 2, #257 of 2062 🔗

Don’t give them ideas!

406860 Basics, replying to Basics, 80, #258 of 2062 🔗

https://youtu.be/S5_lFo83PGk

Lockdown sceptic commenter John Galt made the above video and posted it last night. It is wonderful and very powerful in it’s message. A good one to share with others who are yet to understand how truly wrong Lockingdown is.

5 minutes, worthwhile watching.

407014 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Basics, 13, #259 of 2062 🔗

Brought tears to my eyes.

407151 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Robin Birch, 5, #260 of 2062 🔗

John Galt’s work give him a thanks next time you see him on.

Get sharing the video. Any comments that come back to you about how sad simply point out 99.997% survival rate.

407281 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Basics, 6, #261 of 2062 🔗

Thanks Basics! I was overwhelmed by the response to the video yesterday, really pleased you all liked it.

I’ve also enabled comments on the video now. For some reason it had disabled comments previously.

Here’s a link to where the 99.997% figure came from:

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1308824541104398337
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

407791 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Basics, 2, #262 of 2062 🔗

I made another video, this time about police brutality. I’ll post it in a separate comment but thought I’d mention it here too, as it’s a highly upvoted comment. Good old Morrissey again:

https://youtu.be/s-NeQsfGXTw

406863 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 15, #263 of 2062 🔗

One day, at any random point in the future, “Mengele” Hancock will meet a random man on the street or in a country pub who has either lost his business or a child due to non treatment at the hands of the “appalling” nhs, the nation would rejoice !

406865 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to nickbowes, 7, #264 of 2062 🔗

Whoever it is would probably get far less than ten years for it.

406869 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #265 of 2062 🔗

a medal hopefully

406873 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 19, #266 of 2062 🔗

My hope is that every hospitality outlet in this country bars him and the rest of them for life. Let’s see how they like having services withheld from them.

406876 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, 16, #267 of 2062 🔗

should bar them all – every politician that voted for it, all the public health psychos, zero-covid, anyone that has advocated lockdown on social media

406882 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 6, #268 of 2062 🔗

Hear hear

407134 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 7, #269 of 2062 🔗

totally agree – owners have the right to prevent admission to their premises – bar all the MPs and put their picture at the entrance “not welcome”!

407867 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #270 of 2062 🔗

Agree. One way to pay for all the damage he has helped cause.

407028 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 5, #271 of 2062 🔗

They don’t mix with the plebians if at all possible

407687 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crystal Decanter, #272 of 2062 🔗

Only for photoshoots!
And Mutt Hamitup isn’t likely to be barred from his local is he?

406864 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #273 of 2062 🔗

Has the actual legislation regarding the quarantining of travellers from the “red zones of death” actually been published yet?

I am interested to see what penalty the think they can impose if somebody who has been shut inside one of these hotels for tens days against their will, refuses to pay their bill at the end of their stay..

406868 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #274 of 2062 🔗

Will they hold a person until payment is made? Ransom.

406874 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 5, #275 of 2062 🔗

I would be walking straight out at that point, and there would be fuck all the security guards could do without facing an assault charge.

This is why I want to see what the legislation says. Is the “payment” a matter of contract between the hotel and the “guest” or is it a government collected charge.

406908 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #276 of 2062 🔗

Attachment of earnings order. Whatever. They will have their way, because they can.

406921 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #277 of 2062 🔗

Good luck trying attachment of earnings to a foreign visitor or person earning benefits.

406950 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #278 of 2062 🔗

Indeed.

“Matty, we’ll need to charge the ordinary working bloke more to make up for them that won’t pay…”
“As usual, then Bozo?”

407138 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #279 of 2062 🔗

i think they have to book and pay in advance / before travelling into the uk – rather than after the imprisonment

406867 alw, replying to alw, 19, #280 of 2062 🔗

According to the Daily Mail none of the hotels will be named for commercial reasons. Lol. As soon as they lock someone up, the name of the hotel/hotel group will be out there. People have mobile phones. Didn’t say anything about removing phones.

406872 ▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 2, #281 of 2062 🔗

Gagging order to be signed for ever more even if tgey do seize communication relied upon for life and business.

406889 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basics, 6, #282 of 2062 🔗

Refuse to sign ANYTHING. No signature, no contract, no enforceability re payment.

406893 ▶▶ Apache, replying to alw, 6, #283 of 2062 🔗

Hmm I wonder what the plan is in the event of a fire alarm?

406878 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #284 of 2062 🔗

Simon Dolan tweeted about this:

Components of mRNA Technology “Could Lead to Significant Adverse Events in One or More of Our Clinical Trials,” says Moderna
Summary:

  • mRNA vaccines undergoing Covid-19 clinical trials, including the Moderna vaccine, rely on a nanoparticle-based “carrier system” containing a synthetic chemical called polyethylene glycol (PEG).
  • The use of PEG in drugs and vaccines is increasingly controversial due to the well-documented incidence of adverse PEG-related immune reactions, including life-threatening anaphylaxis.
  • Roughly seven in ten Americans may already be sensitized to PEG, which may result in reduced efficacy of the vaccine and an increase in adverse side effects.
  • If a PEG-containing mRNA vaccine for Covid-19 gains FDA approval, the uptick in exposure to PEG will be unprecedented—and potentially disastrous.
  • Moderna documents and publications indicate that the company is well aware of safety risks associated with PEG and other aspects of its mRNA technology but is more concerned with its bottom line.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/components-of-mrna-technology-could-lead-to-significant-adverse-events-in-one-or-more-of-our-clinical-trials-says-moderna/

406884 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 4, #285 of 2062 🔗

Too deadly in 2017 – but now inside the Covid-19 vaccine?

How Safe Are the Nanoparticles in Moderna’s Vaccine?

Moderna and Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccines use lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG) to deliver mRNA to your cells

This experimental mRNA technology and its lipid nanoparticle-based delivery system have never been approved for use in a vaccine or drug

Significant concerns have been raised over the technology, including the lipid nanoparticles, and Moderna actually abandoned it in 2017 after studies revealed a high rate of adverse effects

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/10/nanoparticles-in-moderna-vaccine.aspx

407139 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basileus, 2, #286 of 2062 🔗

Is synthetically modified mRNA now in our water cycle?

Question courtesy of Dr V Coleman Esq.

406880 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #287 of 2062 🔗

I’ve been having email correspondence with my CRG MP. His position is so wet. ‘Pushing for removal of most restrictions by May’, ‘if its safe to do so’. It will never be ‘safe’ depending on how you define it

406886 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #288 of 2062 🔗

I think the only way out is mass civil disobedience. The CRG are the only ‘opposition’ but it is thin gruel.

Maybe set a new date? March 23rd? That will be 1 year we have spent as slaves and 65 million QALYs lost

406890 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #289 of 2062 🔗

The talk of ‘zero covid’ has the ring of some academic ‘Glass Bead Game’ of no consequence to realistic public health that works to the overall benefit of society. With hospital ‘covid’ figures falling and deaths not all that alarming for a respiratory disease in the winter time this zero covid game seems to need test results to prop it up. I am hoping that as the weather turns to spring and respiratory diseases decline the public’s enthusiasm for testing will decline and we may see these miserable ‘pop-up’ testing centres close down.
Are they actually switching from PCR tests to Lateral Flow Tests?
Whatever; if the numbers being tested falls away it is going to be harder to maintain this nonsense.
I still have a naive optimistic hope that at some stage soon this virus will confound all the experts by disappearing, after all it would not be the first time a virus has done this…….we live in hope.

406898 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #290 of 2062 🔗

my hope is that they are becoming increasingly draconian so they can take the credit in spring. what I think is happening is that they are going zero-covid

406903 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 7, #291 of 2062 🔗

That is exactly what is happening.

407662 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #292 of 2062 🔗

Lockdown is the thin edge of zero covid it only works if 100% of the population follow, no work,no shopping and no medical care. It’s a fantasy the only countries where it works are geographically remote,
closed borders early and imposed lockdown early. These countries will need to remain closed until the rest of the world eradicate covid which could take several years. The lockdown as clearly damaged society through the harms it as done to health and the economy so the people who advocate zero covid which would be far more devastating should be shown for what they are vandals.

406891 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #293 of 2062 🔗

OT
You have to laugh – i can see a “national scale” suicide by egg overdose rather than carry on with this sh**show !
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9241937/Eating-just-half-egg-day-increases-risk-DEATH-7.html

406900 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to nickbowes, 10, #294 of 2062 🔗

Jog on! I’ve eaten three eggs a day for years. If I suddlenly stop posting it probably won’t be because I’ve had a heart attack.

406941 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #295 of 2062 🔗

No indeed – it will immediately be found to be Covid!

406913 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to nickbowes, 6, #296 of 2062 🔗

To think they were promoting scotch eggs – true monsters!

407027 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 1, #297 of 2062 🔗

Yes we all remember Edwina telling us we would all croak from eating eggs

407122 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to nickbowes, 5, #298 of 2062 🔗

I eat 5-7 eggs per day. Great natural source of vit d

407132 ▶▶ Basics, replying to nickbowes, #299 of 2062 🔗

DEATH! boom big letters for stupid people to quake at the foot of.

407326 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to nickbowes, 7, #300 of 2062 🔗

I see once again where looking at Chinese propaganda a nation of slaves and dictatorship. The whole problem with dictatorship is they based on lies and keeping the people ignorant. Our politicians are fools to follow them but it is we who suffer for believing they know what they doing. Last year we were told covid killed 3-4 out of every hundred people who caught it, in other words a killer disease. This was a mistake because it was only those who went into hospital, if you included everybody who caught covid you find it kills 2-3 out of every thousand. Still a high death rate but similar to a bad flu such as Hong Kong flu of 1968-69 when no lockdown occurred.
Next we were told a three week lockdown would defeat this terrible disease which would require all of us to stay at home. This is impossible because in the real world people go to work,shop and seek medical care. So from day one lockdown was flawed yet no politician objected when common sense was screaming to say it wouldn’t work. Then came face masks which few wore during the first lockdown yet magically rates of covid decreased without them. The reason the government gave for making them mandatory was to stop infected people unwittingly spreading their germs to others. This is nonsense because anyone with a vap can easily demonstrate that when you breathe through a face mask your germs spread to everyone around you.
Face masks only protects the user and explains why every study done on the effectiveness as shown such little effect. In other words the only chance of catching covid is in a confine space with an infected person. We are now told 1 in 3 people who has covid don’t know they’ve got it and spread their germs unwittingly to others. How the government know this is a mystery as the only studies showing this are Chinese who have a vested incentive to paralyze the Western democracies. Other studies show you may have no symptoms for the first few days after being infected before showing symptoms when you would be infectious. If you’ve been infected and recovered you may still have dead virus particles for weeks afterwards but you would not be infectious.
I will now mention the vaccine sold to us as the way out of lockdown but as anyone whose had a vaccine will tell you they never 100% effective or safe.
The whole idea behind a vaccine is to make you immune which assumes you don’t have any immunity which is nonsense otherwise every time you got a cold you would die. In some people the over 70s and people with impaired immunity this is quite possible but unlikely,but to be safe these people and only these would benefit from vaccination. The government wants us all to be vaccinated but just like lockdown which requires 100% compliance it is flawed because it isn’t 100% effective. In other words 100% of 50% is still 50% and in the long term the virus will mutate requiring another vaccine, or as we’ve discovered be useless very quickly. This may explain why the drug company Merck decided to abandon making a vaccine as it’s a false hope, like the aids vaccine and concentrate on drug therapies.
As millions of people have discovered covid isn’t the killer disease we once believed it to be and the present strategy isn’t working, it requires more and more laws to work so a new strategy needs to be found. Protect the vulnerable, quarantine/isolate only the infected, give people sound health advice and develop drugs.The present strategy isn’t working so a new strategy needs to be found now or this madness will just continue.

408377 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Derek Toyne, #301 of 2062 🔗

You said 2-3 out of 1,000 die from Covid but remember, not all people with the virus develop Covid so the number of those with the virus who die is more like Professor Bhakdi’s figure of 0.05%or 5 in 10,000.

407759 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to nickbowes, 1, #302 of 2062 🔗

More statistical nonsense.

Is the risk only inceased whenever I eat half an egg? What if I eat multiple eggs, is the 7% effect cumulative?

Is this 7% increase in death on any particular days or is it spread out over the course of a lifetime?

Can I offset the risk if I exercise or is this one of those “do nothing worst case scenarios”? Is it possible that I’ve already survived the 7% extra risk so there’s nothing more to worry about?

408789 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Nobody2021, #303 of 2062 🔗

Are we talking quail eggs? Or ostrich eggs?

406892 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 23, #304 of 2062 🔗

Grant Schapps saying his 89yo father has been in hospital for 2 months and has Covid. But that’s not what he went in for. How can he continue to delude himself and attempt to hoodwink all of us?

407282 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #305 of 2062 🔗

Is this supposed to make me feel sorry for him? I bet you are not stopped from visiting? Why not celebrate the fact that your dad made it to 89 and celebrate that he lived 8 years longer than average instead of trying to keep the poor old bugger alive?

406896 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 18, #306 of 2062 🔗

I have made a regular practice of reporting NHS ads to the ASA. It only takes a couple of minutes to do. The ads are seriously misleading. Here is the latest I have reported.

The ASA have a dedicated page on their website for Covid ad complaints.

https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint/quick-report.html

406904 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basileus, 5, #307 of 2062 🔗

“Our AK47s have been rigorously tested and found to be working correctly”.

407641 ▶▶▶ Friendly_Advice, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #308 of 2062 🔗

I’ve registered on LS to say thank you for the link. It has prompted me to complain about the Saga Holidays ad – you have to have been “fully vaccinated”. Leaving aside what “fully vaccinated” means, it is discrimatory and illegal.

408792 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Friendly_Advice, #309 of 2062 🔗

Given a substantial part of the population is explicitly excluded from vaccination under the accepted protocol, so they really want to go there? I guess it is just another manifestation of the magic power of the word ‘vaccine’ – apparently meaning some ‘thing undeniably good and risk free that no normal person could possibly object to’.

406923 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 5, #310 of 2062 🔗

Just reported this one for good measure.

408791 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Basileus, #311 of 2062 🔗

The other biggie – are the drugs being pimped by Big Pharma really vaccines? All vaccines are drugs, but not all drugs are vaccines. So what exactly distinguishes a vaccine drug from a non-vaccine drug? They provide long term (permanent?) immunity to a specific disease? ….

406897 Margaret, 15, #312 of 2062 🔗

I posted a retweet from Jonathan Engler yesterday re the Sage minutes and the Ct cycles mentioned ATL today.

More importantly, Freecumbria responded with this:

”And in the latest ONS survey which has Ct values in the associated dataset, 75% of the positive tests in the England part of the survey have a Ct value of over 27.

If viable transmission is below a Ct value of 25 (as per the Sage minutes) this indicates about 3 out of the 4 supposed ‘infections’ in the survey are really people having one quarter of an amount or less of virus than would be needed for viable transmission.

So most are fabricated infections by deduction”

406899 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 20, #313 of 2062 🔗

Politician introduces 10 year sentence for lying. That’s our problem sorted, then.

406932 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #314 of 2062 🔗

Yes, a VIP prison for all of them

407019 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #315 of 2062 🔗

hahaha good one!

406905 katz, replying to katz, 28, #316 of 2062 🔗

Ten years for lying about what country you’ve travelled from and drakeford’s son only got seven years for violent rape.

407088 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to katz, 3, #317 of 2062 🔗

He got off for noncing though so all good

406906 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #318 of 2062 🔗

Will Jones did an excellent write up today – think a lot of people on this site will be much happier with today’s version

406938 ▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, #319 of 2062 🔗

Yes, but, in the spirit of doing what it says on the tin, I still feel that a change of name for the site is a priority. How about lockdownscepticish.org ?

408386 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Victoria, #320 of 2062 🔗

Sorry,it looks like pro-vaccine rubbish to me.

406907 DanClarke, 6, #321 of 2062 🔗

What police and certain politicians were involved in regarding Lord Brittan shows how lacking in shame these people are. Tom Watson thought he might get a knighthood!! Its beyond most people to see how people like them think and the current fiasco is on the same track. No shame only self interest for all of them.

406910 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #322 of 2062 🔗

Frontline doctors on experimental “vaccine” &c

https://www.facebook.com/TeresaKae/videos/10218122250743379

406964 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #323 of 2062 🔗

Well it didn’t take FB long to take that one down – link has gone already!

407007 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #324 of 2062 🔗

It’sstill there but you have to acknowledge that it is fake news before you can watch it.

406912 Victoria, 12, #325 of 2062 🔗

Statement from Ty and Charlene Bollinger: Rebuttal to Fake News CNN’s Hatchet Job

The recent baseless CNN attack on us is a fake news media hit job of epic proportions which lacks all journalistic ethics and impartiality. CNN’s attack demonstrates that it is not just questioning of the alleged safety of vaccines but “free speech itself.”

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CNN’s attempts to depict us as “profiteers” running an “empire” is yet another dishonest and deceitful attack. We are extraordinarily proud of the work we have done in our documentary films – The Truth About Cancer and The Truth About Vaccines . And while we have generated income from our documentary films, we find nothing wrong with making a living.

What CNN’s “hatchet job” failed to mention was the fact that over the past six years, we have donated over $250K to charities that help people with cancer and vaccine damage, and we also have personally funded events to bring awareness to health freedom and the legitimacy of questioning the safety of vaccines.

And while brazenly disparaging us for selling products, in true “fake news” form, the CNN report failed to mention the record profits made by the vaccine manufacturing pharmaceutical giants in 2020, with the top 10 companies accumulating profits in excess of $400 billion .

Not surprisingly, they also failed to mention that the four companies that make all 72 of our vaccines (Merck, Pfizer, Sanofi, and Glaxo) are four of the most corrupt companies in the world. They are serial felons, and have paid $35 billion the last 10 years for falsifying science, for defrauding regulators, for lying to doctors, and for selling drugs that they knew were poisonous and knew were going to kill people, but still acquired FDA approval and took to market.

Even the FDA admits, on its own website, that over 106K Americans die each year from “ adverse drug reactions ” to pharmaceuticals which are “FDA approved” and properly prescribed and used.

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That CNN’s attack on us was a “hatchet job” is demonstrated by the fact that CNN never contacted us directly before their vicious and malicious “hit piece” was scheduled to be aired.

Instead, they sent an email to our customer service department a mere 24 hours before the piece went live, yet they had our mailing address the entire time. They even sent us a physical letter (image below) asking for comment, but we didn’t receive it until 2 days after the report had aired. Obviously, CNN had no real desire to give us a “fair shake,” they just wanted to be able to conclude their ludicrous report and state “Despite multiple attempts, the Bollingers refused comment.”

Lastly, the coup de grâce! If there were still any doubt that CNN lacks all ethics and common courtesy, CNN’s so-called “reporter” Drew Griffin had the unbelievable audacity to pull up Google maps and show actual photos of our personal residence, while he shared details about our home and where we live. Clearly, Drew is not a “journalist” and has less regard for the truth than a pathological liar.

https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/statement-ty-charlene-bollinger/

406914 yohodi, 10, #326 of 2062 🔗

I see Princess Eugenie has given birth to a new royal variant..( just sayin’)

406916 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 29, #327 of 2062 🔗

Does Handjobs policy apply to the following people:
1) The 30,000 lorry drivers coming to the UK each week.
2) Crews of aircraft landing in UK.
3) Passengers & Crew of ferries and ships arriving in UK.
4) People crossing over border in Norn Irn.
5) Business / mega rich on private jets.

406991 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #328 of 2062 🔗

Exactly but I think all passengers on ferries are included in the isolation requirements. But the others just flowing in. Does anyone think we know of any sequencing of virus in trucker countries like Romania, Bulgaria etc? Of course not. Any country with a half brain would conclude that virus sequencing will not earn you any Brownie points in this world. And are all Portuguese truck drivers excluded? UK can never have true zero Covid policy. The whole thing is insanity.
The only countries in the world isolated and large enough can strive for temporary zero covid are NZ and Australia. When they have carefully choosen the best vaccine, they will vaccinate and then open up. Even they cannot afford zero covid more than 2 years and they are not even out of the woods with their coming winter.

407137 ▶▶▶ SallyM, replying to swedenborg, 2, #329 of 2062 🔗

Australia is commencing vaccination next week. There was no “careful choosing”: the same vaccines that have been approved elsewhere are being selected here, beginning with Pfizer. I had hoped that they would wait longer to evaluate data as it accrues but they are gung-ho about vaccines and Australia tends to follow foreign regulatory approvals.

407345 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to SallyM, 5, #330 of 2062 🔗

The criteria applied in NZ for a case if applied here, would mean no panicdemic.
Before a case is declared in NZ.
1) A 2nd positive PCR test must be obtained as confirmation.
2) PCR test Ct cycles are capped at 23x.

And as if by magic NZ is plague free.

407001 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #331 of 2062 🔗

Also, why are they charging £175.00 a night?! I had to check hotels in Central London this week, for something work related. A lot of very nice places available from £30.00 a night!!

407120 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #332 of 2062 🔗

Great question – must be the costs for a guard standing outside your door

407734 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #333 of 2062 🔗

And the backhander to HMG. Someone posted about this last night.

407327 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #334 of 2062 🔗

I wondered that too. Before I went contracting it was exceptional that any of the companies that I worked for would have accepted that as an expenses claim for a night in an hotel even for London. Even a night in an hotel plus three meals wouldn’t come to that much.

407152 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #335 of 2062 🔗

Enter the following co-ordinates in Googlemaps: 54.1470687,-7.3191887

Zoom out to see the border and explain how a person living there can travel to the rest of the Republic of Ireland without entering the UK.

407255 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #336 of 2062 🔗

knew it was a complex boundary (hence the smuggling has been so easy) but i have never seen that anomaly before. It is possible on foot or by horse assuming there are gaps in the hedges and you have a coracle to cross the river.!

408796 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ewan Duffy, #337 of 2062 🔗

51°30’16.29″N  4°46’43.73″E

Not the UK but an ideal site for a Zero-Covid prison/pub

406918 Janette, replying to Janette, 5, #338 of 2062 🔗

I see they are now saying in DT no travel restrictions lifted till everyone is vaccinated!!!

406944 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Janette, 6, #339 of 2062 🔗

Is that with the vaccine that doesn’t work?

406967 ▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #340 of 2062 🔗

Or the one that gives you side effects?

406953 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janette, 12, #341 of 2062 🔗

So, not only will I be guilty of ‘killing granny’, I will be guilty of depriving people of their holidays. My charge card is filling up.

406954 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Janette, 8, #342 of 2062 🔗

Is that the vaccine that is not mandatory?

406997 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Janette, 22, #343 of 2062 🔗

Don’t really give a toss about people whinging that the exercise of my bodily autonomy deprived them of a holiday in the Med when they don’t care about being complicit in denying me my fundamental freedoms for almost a year.

407022 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Janette, 8, #344 of 2062 🔗

Zero Covid = Zero holidays
same rules apply collaborators
Going to be fun to deprive you of all your jollies

406919 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 45, #345 of 2062 🔗

Today’s board:

So, in Britain 2021:

You can be jailed for 10 years for lying.

You get less for:

Carrying a loaded gun;
Drugs offences;
Knife crime.

Still want the ‘new normal’?

406928 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 2, #346 of 2062 🔗

Fantastic!!

406943 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #347 of 2062 🔗

Clear, factual, incontrovertible. Customer comment along the lines of “You shouldn’t say that” incoming in 3…2…1…

406946 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #348 of 2062 🔗

Oh yes, or my favourite: “I was going to come in, but I didn’t like what your board said, so I won’t”

407016 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 2, #349 of 2062 🔗

Just come in via dinghy and brownface

407395 ▶▶ DomW, replying to kh1485, #350 of 2062 🔗

,, and Perjury (also lying)

407930 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #351 of 2062 🔗

Great stuff and so true!!!!

406922 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #352 of 2062 🔗

Why are businesses allowing themselves to be taken down when Johnson & Hancock will be off to richer pickings before long, why aren’t they putting up more of a battle, many of them spent a fortune on making their business ‘safe’.

406937 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 31, #353 of 2062 🔗

Some of us are trying, believe me. But it’s bloody difficult when you are operating in a town that is virtually 100% compliant (businesses and customers). Safety comes with numbers which we don’t have right now. We are also aware that we are being spied on and I have received various telephone calls that, ostensibly, appear innocuous but when the searching questioning begins, I am wary of.

406956 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 11, #354 of 2062 🔗

I know, you are doing great things, hope you get to continue. I’m really thinking about the big business, like breweries etc which are massive with big money behind them, its amazing that they are caving in the way they are.

406969 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 8, #355 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps it’s because those heading up big businesses will have insulated themselves from this. Makes me wonder, re. the lack of any real kick-back whether they were given the heads-up.

407061 ▶▶ dhid, replying to DanClarke, 4, #356 of 2062 🔗

Johnson & Hancock”

Sounds like a firm of shonky accountants. Oh wait………….

407953 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 1, #357 of 2062 🔗

I’ve been asking that question from Day One? It’s not just businesses but also other sectors such as culture, arts, entertainment, hospitality, museums & heritage.

I won’t be surprised when this is all over when I get begging letters from orchestras and museums that I support. I’ll tell them to get lost and call them out for their cowardice.

406924 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #358 of 2062 🔗

COVID-19 Vaccine Maker Pfizer Paid $2.3 Billion In Largest Healthcare Fraud Settlement in History
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.. a senior managerial executive whistleblower of the pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca has revealed in shocking details that the AstraZeneca could not be held responsible for any side-effects from its COVID-19 vaccine . The company has agreements with governments as per which AstraZeneca cannot be held responsible and those affected will have no legal recourse.

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https://greatgameindia.com/pfizer-fraud-settlement/

406931 ▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, 5, #359 of 2062 🔗

The only comment that I would make on that is that AZ (et al) are EXTREMELY foolish to trust government words. Should it prove expedient for the UK (and other) government to change its mind and feels the need to find a scape-goat to protect itself from blame over massive ‘vaccine’ related disaster, AZ (et al) will be thrown over-board very rapidly!

406939 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to iane, 3, #360 of 2062 🔗

yes, the indemnity agreement isn’t worth the paper

lawyers will make a few quid though

407006 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to iane, 3, #361 of 2062 🔗

Big pharma has dirt on all politicians
they have all been napping under the yew tree

406952 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 1, #362 of 2062 🔗

Wasnt the non liability clause common knowledge?

406963 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to DanClarke, 1, #363 of 2062 🔗

If there was any evidence of criminal wrongdoing, all contracts are null and void.

406929 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 27, #364 of 2062 🔗

.

406934 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #365 of 2062 🔗

Great poster.

However many people find it impossible to read lengthy text that is all in capital letters

406947 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Victoria, 8, #366 of 2062 🔗

I know, I’m just reposting from elsewhere.

We also need to get the news out that AFAIK- it is isolation or lockdown that mitigates against viruses mutating into more benign versions.
Could do with a snappy poster by a wordsmith of “Look them in the eyes and tell them that Lockdown caused the malignant variant to survive and infect them”

406983 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Victoria, 13, #367 of 2062 🔗

Great poster.

However many people find it impossible to read lengthy text because they are too stupid.

407038 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #368 of 2062 🔗

Ys. ths!

Lol!

407032 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #369 of 2062 🔗

I like that.

It’s a pity it couldn’t also be run as a radio ad to counter the “real” ones we are tortured with daily!

406940 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 4, #370 of 2062 🔗

Essential viewing this weekend, the mighty Richard D Hall and two hours of whats in store for us this year.

Here is a link to the latest Richplanet show,

https://www.richplanet.net/richp_genre.php?ref=287&part=4&gen=99

406965 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to nickbowes, 3, #371 of 2062 🔗

Started watching this last night, good one. I think Richard is a bit peeved!

406958 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 2, #373 of 2062 🔗

So just up to late Jan. This needs open discussion.

406972 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #374 of 2062 🔗

Yes it does. It’s absolutely shocking

406999 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 2, #375 of 2062 🔗

Rookie numbers
I’d wager quadruple that for those that do not want to cause a fuss

406948 Victoria, 4, #376 of 2062 🔗

Report vaccine adverse effects via the yellow card scheme

Yellow Card Scheme – MHRA

406959 alw, 8, #377 of 2062 🔗

“WOULD it surprise you to be told that the mortality from all causes in 2020 was lower than it ever had been before?
Actually, it’s cheating to say that. The mortality rate in August 2020 was 836, lower than it ever has been. For comparison, the August death rate in the exceptionally good year of 2019 was 867. Why on Earth was the death rate in August 2020, the year of Covid, so low?
Was there Covid in the country? Yes.
Were there compulsory masks? No!
Were there lockdowns? No!
Was there social distancing? No! “

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/coronavirus-is-controlled-by-the-calendar-not-by-the-government/

406968 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 14, #378 of 2062 🔗

According to Worldometer, Gibraltar has gone to the top of the death league. When they started vaccinating on 9th January 12 people had died. The total as of yesterday was 83.

406993 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 4, #379 of 2062 🔗

It’s a scooby doo mystery

407015 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biggles, 4, #380 of 2062 🔗

Must be a new rock monkey strain

407023 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Biggles, #381 of 2062 🔗

There doesn’t seem to have been the same spike in deaths after the second doses have started. They are down to only 3 cases in there old folks homes 99 active cases total and they have opened up on the 1st feb not completely but hairdressers etc are trading again.
they still have 20 people on hospital 10 of those in intensive care and over 20% have had their 2nd jab. They have stuck to the proper schedule for the vaccines.

406971 Freddy Boy, 30, #382 of 2062 🔗

There is enough info on LS this morning to convince anyone of previous sound mind that the whole world has actually been taken over by lunatics ! How can this carry on ? , as one article confirms that weekly UK death rates are pretty much average (1700ish) which to me is the only statistic that matters , surely in spring when winter respiratory stats drop off this Bullshit cannot continue . It’s so obvious that an actual WAR is taking place against us plebs , every day the level of Bollocks grows & we just soak it up , WTF are we waiting for ?? The vaccine rollout could be likened to the WW2 German railway wagons waiting to cart people off ! It’s all that mad & Bad 🤯 🤬

406973 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 19, #383 of 2062 🔗

I hope I’m right. I’m probably not. I rarely am. But I feel like Hancock may have jumped the shark with the ten year imprisonments thing.

406981 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #384 of 2062 🔗

I’d like you to be right too… but for months now we’ve been saying “they’ve gone too far this time” and “the wheels about to fall off this thing.” And yet the juggernaut keeps going. I think it’s too abstract – people don’t care about some reckless covidiot getting a hefty punishment. As long as it’s not happening to them.

407048 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Johnsontown, #385 of 2062 🔗

You’re probably right.

407159 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #386 of 2062 🔗

Mrs J had a conversation with a friend last night – let’s call her Janet – and they talked about covid, vaccines etc. I see Janet as an interesting barometer of public opinion. She is mid-40s, well-off, not particularly political (“small c” conservative instincts), mainly focussed on her own security/health/job/family/creature comforts rather than any ideological agenda. Works as a freelancer and not financially affected. Well-educated but not what us down here would consider well informed: all her information is from the BBC. Her attitude is:

– She can’t wait for the vaccine and will feel much safer once she’s had it.
– Not bothered about which vaccine she has; not particularly troubled by reports of South African mutant
– No concern about side effects of vaccine: it’s been tested and it is safe
– It would be great if we could get to zero covid, maybe by all just staying at home for three weeks with no rule breaking at all, but that’s probably not realistic.
– Primary school children should be back now.
– It’s all really hard on young people but that’s just the way it is.
– Other countries have handled this much better – they got rid of it in New Zealand, China
– Once everyone’s been vaccinated we will be all be back to normal in the summer; she will be able to have a big family party
– But she expects we’ll probably have to have a bit of a lockdown in the winter again, and maybe again in the years to come
– She definitely thinks we’re doing the right thing by shutting the borders. Should have done this earlier. It’s a bit of a nuisance not having a summer holiday but it’s only one year, there’s always 2022 to look forward to.
– So far, the government has done a reasonably good job of keeping her safe; the loss of liberty is a necessary evil and not something that really bothers her

I expect she reflects what a lot of people are thinking. My big question is: once all these good folk (and their parents) have been vaccinated, at what point do they start to get seriously disgruntled when normality does not return?

407199 ▶▶▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Johnsontown, 7, #387 of 2062 🔗

I think then they’ll be pointing the finger at “lockdown flouters” going to the shops twice in one day as the reason why summer holidays are banned and we have to eat so many scotch eggs. I don’t think anyone in authority will be questioned.

407354 ▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #388 of 2062 🔗

Sadly, that is the level of unassailably complacent and self-interested thinking that we’re dealing with.

We await the economic reckoning. In a society that was largely decayed to mere utility anyway, only the pocket hurts.

407453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #389 of 2062 🔗

Great summary of why the country is in a shambolic mess and is allowing the politicians to turn this into a bio security state. She sounds an awful lot like most of my media colleagues. And at this point I really hope they all drop dead with ADE after their jab or at the very least get that cushy financial carpet ripped out from under their feet and commence a freefall. I feel nothing for these people but rage.

407005 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #390 of 2062 🔗

I naively thought that when back in the summer in announced with his telltale smirk that the NHS would not be resuming f2f consultations, and would “see” patients virtually using video and telephone calls.

Yet another example of negligence and institutional failure to protect the vulnerable

407148 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #391 of 2062 🔗

I really hope that you’re correct but we need to be aware of false dawns – we’ve had A LOT of them. I hoped that it would all start to collapse when Ferguson got caught with his pants down ….

406974 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 16, #392 of 2062 🔗

“How many doctors are misattributing covid deaths?” – I would suggest a great deal. My brother-in-law was a case in point. We were categorically and repeatedly informed by the nursing staff that he did not have Covid whilst he was in hospital for other reasons yet Covid Pneumonia appeared on his death certificate. Neither my wife or her siblings felt inclined to contest this as they were too upset with their loss. The hospitals know this will happen and so yet another case is incorrectly added to the Covid stats of gloom. I also know of several similar circumstances where the same thing has happened and it’s happening in plain sight.

406994 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 5, #393 of 2062 🔗

Last May, there was a young girl fell of her horse and sadly passed away due to head injury…..Covid was put on her death certificate.

407012 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #394 of 2062 🔗

Neither my wife or her siblings felt inclined to contest this as they were too upset with their loss.

And why should they. This is what the NHS rely on: that relatives are too distraught to question things. And this is the kind of thing that a truly free/investigative press should be all over right now.

407057 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to kh1485, 3, #395 of 2062 🔗

This free/investigative press you speak of, has there ever been something like it or was it always a fantasy?

407099 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to norwegian, 6, #396 of 2062 🔗

Yes, you’re probably right. Everything I have believed in prior to 2020 has been totally turned on its head.

407312 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, #397 of 2062 🔗

ooh, I will create merry hell when it happens to me…as it will

406976 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #398 of 2062 🔗

I’m watching a lot of dystopian movies at the moment, cheering myself up with visions of society not quite as bad as our own. Anyone seen the 1975 movie Rollerball? The basic idea is that national governments are no more and the world is run by a global corporate technocracy. That could never happen, surely! Anyway, our hero is a sports hero who is part of the bread and circus spectacle that keeps the masses distracted and compliant. He is told the time has come to retire; he doesn’t want to. There’s a great quote where he is told:

“Corporate society takes care of everything. And all it asks of anyone, all its ever asked of anyone, ever, is not to interfere with management decisions.”

Do not intefere with management decisions… it’s easy. Why are we all being so difficult about this simple thing?

406986 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #399 of 2062 🔗

Saw that at The Gaumont Cinema in Birmingham 1975 , always stuck in my mind !

407009 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #400 of 2062 🔗

Happy memories of many visits to the Gaumont in central Manchester

407259 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Lindy, #401 of 2062 🔗

Happy Days 👍

407029 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #402 of 2062 🔗

A classic and it’s commentary on the direction pro sport was headed, was on the money.

407066 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #403 of 2062 🔗

Memorable especially for the use of Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Love that organ piece.

406978 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 11, #404 of 2062 🔗

How many around here see Scam-19 as a cover operation/distraction from real problems with no solutions?

407303 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to norwegian, 3, #405 of 2062 🔗

it’s a cover operation for something. it certainly ain’t a pandemic, a virus, or a public health crisis, that much is bleeding obvious

407348 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to JaneHarry, #406 of 2062 🔗

The west has been going down at least since before the so called financial crisis of 2008, a public health system lacking resources may very well be a piece of the truth.

406979 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #407 of 2062 🔗

But why this ridiculous 10 year prison sentence threat?! Why is such a big deterrence not to lie necessary? Because they already know that it’s going to be SUPER EASY for people in these “red list” countries to do it.

Anyone in S America/Portugal just needs to get to Spain, anyone in sub Saharan Africa just drive further North then fly to anywhere in EU. Then book separate ticket to UK. Don’t carry anything on you or in your luggage that identifies where you were actually living. Choose travel routes/methods that avoid your passport being stamped – easy if you have an EU passport and arrive in EU as they’re not allowed to. If you have to fly rather than train/road/boat then choose airlines that are unlikely to willingly share passenger data ie not based in EU.

Border staff barely have the time to check actual passports/visas and now they have to check tests too, they defo won’t be checking that closely.

I predict that these prison hotels will be empty. Anyone who wanted to get back will have done it by now. The system will either fall apart v quickly or they’ll just extend it to the whole world when they realise their plan is useless.

407008 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #408 of 2062 🔗

Hardly anyone is going to use these hotels as you say there are many loopholes. Regardless, It’s £1750 and then the risk of a positive test resulting in another 10 days. You literally can’t budget for it. Hotels will pull the plug on this in no time.

407013 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #409 of 2062 🔗

And surely there is little point in doing the 2 and 8 day tests if you are stuck all by yourself in a prison cell. You are hardly going to infect yourself and if you are really ill you will be moved to a hospital. (what medical facilities are these state quarantine places going to have, never been mentioned).

407253 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #410 of 2062 🔗

if someone was in a ‘red’ country and then travelled to EU country – how long would they have to stay in EU country before the red country restriction expired? eg if come from brazil to france and stay for 2 weeks then travel to uk surely the ‘red’ rules would not apply.

406985 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #411 of 2062 🔗

Has anyone heard about the new NIwVD vaccine?

I’ve heard it’s really good against all mutations of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, in fact much better than any other covid vaccine, and it is expected to provide de facto immunity for at least 17 years. And the side affects are almost always completely trivial except in a few very very rare cases, and in some people whose immune system is very seriously dysfunctional or who are receiving end of life care.

I’ve asked a few immunologists, but they save they’ve never ever heard of it.

A mate, albeit one who doesn’t know much about how viruses spread, claims you can even get this vaccine down the pub. How convenient is that! What a shame that at the moment all the pubs around me seem to have closed, trust them to all be doing their refurbishments at the same time. But at least if any boosters are needed of the vaccine, the pub will be available for these.

The manufacturers claim they’ve tested their vaccine for hundreds of millions of years. Initially they did some animal studies on vertebrates which went quite well. I broke into my local library last night (strangely it hasn’t been open for months so I had no choice) to see if I could find any details on these initial animal studies or the first human studies. But sadly there don’t appear to be any good records of these studies. Although I did find some old books detailing the human studies over the past 10,000 years, although many of them relate to an earlier version of the NIwVD vaccine called the NI vaccine. The results from the trials done in humans do sound seriously impressive and the manufacturers seem to have honed the latest version of their vaccine through trial and error to near perfection, using some artificial intelligence like techniques.

I’m seriously concerned about the net harms of the Pfizer and Oxford vaccines compared with any possible small benefits. But, much as I don’t like these covid vaccines, I have to be honest, this NIwVD one does sound really good and is tempting me in. But at the same time, you know what they say, if it sound too good to be true…

Does anybody else know about this NIwVD vaccine? Should I go for it? Thanks in advance.

406988 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #412 of 2062 🔗

I’ve heard tales of this thing that can ward off viruses
I’m going to consult a frogs gizzards for guidance

407003 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #413 of 2062 🔗

That sounds a bit like those witches out of Macbeth, They tricked that Macbeth bloke all right didn’t they. Are you sure it’s reliable?

407067 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #414 of 2062 🔗

The frogs entrails have stated categorically that T-cells are fake news

407097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #415 of 2062 🔗

And I only liked their early records. Like Breathe and Brain Damage!

407025 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #416 of 2062 🔗

I have been on it for 40+ years and I am still alive.
This year I got an enhanced batch. NIwVD2500 it is called. Doing OK so far and no side effects at all.

407053 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #417 of 2062 🔗

Apparently if you take the original NI version outdoors in the summer, it works even better than the NIwVD versions. Although the old version isn’t available outdoors here in Cumbria only in the sunny South. The NIwVD2500 version sounds good.

407039 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #418 of 2062 🔗

Hopefully VD stands for Vitamin D? 🤣

407081 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #419 of 2062 🔗

Ha ha. I genuinely hadn’t even thought of the alternative interpretation!

407049 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #420 of 2062 🔗

Natural Immunity with Vitamin D
Working for me…

407051 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #421 of 2062 🔗

We should take to social media and trend this!! I love it.

407077 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #422 of 2062 🔗

I don’t do social media. But you are welcome to improve on it and use it.

It did cross my mind that when I am offered the jab (I’m a bit of a way down the list) I might send the surgery a letter with the above and asking them if they can guarantee I get the NIwVD vaccine rather than tjhe Pfizer or Oxford ones. Not sure how that will go down.

407118 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #423 of 2062 🔗

For the first 59 years of my life I had the NI vaccine, latterly with the addition of VD. This seemed to very effective, but I received the upgraded AIwVD in December from my son.

Initially, I had some side effects similar to many other more recent vaccines on the market. Fortunately, the side effects only lasted for a few days. This new upgraded vaccine is fantastic and apparently gives me at least 17 years of immunity. I can recommend it to anyone under the age of 75.

407256 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #424 of 2062 🔗

Thanks for the recommendation.

My brother in law had what appeared to be covid back In March/April (fairly mild but typical symptoms for a week) but my nephew and sister who live in the same house and share a bathroom etc didn’t have any symptoms at all. My sister works in a school.

While it’s only anecdotal, it did seem plausible that someone like my sister is more likely to have some cross-immunity against SARS-C0V-2 from full exposure to previous coronaviruses for example in the school. I did see some associational stuff that hypothesised that possibility. It would be interesting to check blood samples from blood donors pre-pandemic who are teachers and see if there was more cross reactivity of T cells with SARS-C0V-2 than adults with less contact with children.

The narrative of children might get it and pass it on to their teachers who then die, seems nonsense, even if we ignore the significant psychological damage such a suggestion creates. I expect that overall children are helpful in terms of providing protection for teachers against viral infections. Not sure if it has been properly studied.

So getting the AIwVD vaccine from your son, or a parent or teacher getting it from their school age child is probably of net expected benefit to anyone with a good immune system, it all helps in the immune system learning process.

406992 Major Panic, 15, #426 of 2062 🔗

Do the ‘trusted celebs’ being used to promote the vaccines have protection from liability if any people who trust them suffer ill effects from covid vaccines.

406996 stevie, replying to stevie, 5, #427 of 2062 🔗

No let up in sight?

Grant Shapps has urged people not to book summer holidays either in the UK or abroad, suggesting there is no certainty they won’t still be illegal later this year.
The Transport Secretary told Radio 4’s Today programme: “Please don’t go ahead and book holidays for something which at this stage is illegal to actually go and do, either here or abroad.”
He added that “we simply don’t know the answer as to where we will be this summer”, telling would-be holidaymakers to “wait until that is clear before booking anything”.
People should “do nothing at this stage,” Mr Shapps added.

407040 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to stevie, 15, #428 of 2062 🔗

Have you lost your fucking mind? The only way travel companies are surviving is with the future booking funds. Hundreds of thousands of people have listened to handjobs bullshit that the vaccine was our way out and booked a summer holiday to give them something to look forward to.
Unlike you and the government Mr crapps we have to make plans. We have to book time off work and kennels for our pets.

So what you are saying is your lockdown, mask wearing and vaccines are utter bollocks? If you had faith you could predict an outcome and say with confidence what the predicted outcomes would be. Instead, (even though you have data from last summer where the infection rates and deaths were minimal) you bluster along with not a fucking clue what you are doing and refusing to make hard decisions. Are you so dumb you think opening schools will have an impact on death and infections. Fuck me.

407002 JayBee, 2, #429 of 2062 🔗

What can you say?
They have gone full Don Quijote.

407004 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #430 of 2062 🔗

For those in enforced hotel quarantine, courtesy of the BeeGees:
Here I lie
In a lost and lonely part of town
Held in time
In a world of tears I slowly drown
Goin’home
I just can’t make it all alone
I really should be holding you
Holding you
Loving you loving you

Tragedy
When the feeling’s gone and you can’t go on
It’s tragedy
When the morning cries and you don’t know why
It’s hard to bear
With no-one to love you you’re
Goin’ nowhere
Tragedy
When you lose control and you got no soul
It’s tragedy
When the morning cries and you don’t know why
It’s hard to bear
With no-one beside you you’re
Goin’ nowhere

Night and day
There’s a burning down inside of me
Burning love
With a yearning that won’t let me be
Down I go
And I just can’t take it all alone
I really should be holding you
Holding you
Loving you loving you

407085 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to p02099003, 3, #431 of 2062 🔗

Don’t forget Jive Talking, you’re telling me lies!

407316 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Spikedee1, #432 of 2062 🔗

“I started a Joke” Hancocks whole approach
“First of May ” – unless another variant comes a long in which case it will be “tomorrow tomorrow”
“staying alive” only just …….. but “spirits having flown” means people are suicidal
“night fever” a symptom of covid – get tested
“this is where i came in” happy anniversary covid

i could go on ……..

407010 Prof Feargoeson, 7, #433 of 2062 🔗

Wonder how Nut Nuts feels about Madcock’s 10 yr sentence for lying about what country you came in from, bearing in mind John Worboys only got a minimum sentence of 6 yrs?

407011 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 38, #434 of 2062 🔗

I got a positive response from my MP this morning. After a to and from about mutant strains, human rights and lockdowns

This is all he sent

These restrictions must be lifted and must never be reinstated.”

which is moving in the right direction – just 10 months late

407024 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 2, #435 of 2062 🔗

Steve this is good to hear.

407030 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #436 of 2062 🔗

I think he is decent. But I think he has been propagandised more than the rest of the population. He has the government, SAGE, the whips, the BBC. Most people have just the BBC. I have ‘primary data sources’ so am immune.

407079 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 2, #437 of 2062 🔗

You do have to wonder how much of this is down to your social circle. If you’re an mp and the times, the bbc and sage are your data points. Your address is a house miles away from your town centre and all your buddies are fellow champagne socialist. How do you hear what “the people” are talking about?
The noise about loss of liberty these restrictions are causing should be deafening, but you sit in silence blissfully unaware.

407108 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #438 of 2062 🔗

I think you are right. I would say over 50% of my friends (WFH types mainly) believe in lockdown, but most of those are getting bored. Most of the people I randomly meet (probably a better cross-section) – mums at school, friends of friends etc think its a load of bollocks

It was a big shame to stop/ban the weekly London demos – it was a visible sign that you weren’t alone if you were at home wondering what its all about

407033 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #439 of 2062 🔗

Good. A member of the CRG? My MP belongs to it but is about as much use as a wet blanket. The Labour party has no MPs who seem to want to rock the boat.

Vaccine passports are on the way says R4 … Bastards, absolute bastards.

407069 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to John001, 1, #440 of 2062 🔗

He is CRG but was panicked into voting for lockdown 3 because of mutants

407026 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 3, #441 of 2062 🔗

Slow on the uptake but is getting their in the end.

Rejoice.

407044 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to steve_w, 1, #442 of 2062 🔗

Would you ind telling us who your MP is? People are trying to get an urgent cross-party discussion going!

407163 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #443 of 2062 🔗

I just want to clarify: by ‘these restrictions’ does he mean all the restrictions imposed since 1 March 2020? Leaving nothing out? Masks, anti-social distancing, track ‘n trace? All of them?

407208 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, #444 of 2062 🔗

his previous email said ‘most of the restrictions by May…if possible’ – I took him to task saying this basically meant never due to ‘the mutants’, talked about freedom, democracy etc

his last email has clarified his ‘supposed’ position

407017 alw, replying to alw, 18, #445 of 2062 🔗

“Dominic Grieve told Radio 4’s it was “entirely disproportionate” suggesting the 10-year period “had been plucked out of the air.”
He added: “This is a regulatory offence, and no regulatory offence I can think of attracts a 10-year sentence. The reality is that nobody would get such a sentence anyway, the courts are simply not going to impose it.”
The former MP for Beaconsfield urged those in the Commons to “to pay attention to what the Government is doing on this”, saying: “The Government should not be abusing the powers it has taken through Parliament for this emergency to create offences which are subject to that kind of penalty.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/10/lockdown-news-schools-quarantine-hotels-boris-johnson-uk-latest/

407047 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to alw, 8, #446 of 2062 🔗

It’s been a while since I agreed with Mr Grieve.

407107 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #447 of 2062 🔗

Well not my flavour, – but he was one of a small minority on the Tory front benches that did a job rather than polishing his bank balance and booking an ego trip.

407179 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #448 of 2062 🔗

we take our allies where we find them. the battle lines have been re-drawn.

407288 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to alw, #449 of 2062 🔗

The Government should not be abusing the powers it has taken through Parliament”

Should be:

“The Government should not be abusing the powers it has stolen from Parliament”

There FTFY

407018 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #450 of 2062 🔗

A nun who will be 117 tomorrow only realised that she had had Covid when she was tested.
WAKE UP SHEEP, COLLABORATORS AND COVIDISTERS AND SMELL THE COFFEE OR TEA IF YOU PREFER.

407031 ▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #451 of 2062 🔗

Yes, it’s clearly a VERY dangerous virus!

407221 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to The Covid Kid, #452 of 2062 🔗

0.05% or 0.005% deadly?

407020 p02099003, 1, #453 of 2062 🔗

Can I have this as my quarantine hotel? https://www.secretescapes.com/dunalastair-hotel-suites-pitlochry-scotland/sale-hotel?gce_pbf=1 I don’t mind paying a bit extra.

407021 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 24, #454 of 2062 🔗

Great edition today. Truly sceptic, if not downright antagonistic to the insanity. How long before Hancock brings back the death penalty for Covid offences? Killing people to save people?

407037 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #455 of 2062 🔗

Always infinitely better when Will edits. Night and day. I think we call for Jonathan Barr to be replaced. He could get a job at the Guardian perhaps,

407045 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #456 of 2062 🔗

Or as a SPAD to Hancock.

407046 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #457 of 2062 🔗

I also feel encouraged that a number of articles quoted ATL are from The Telegraph. Hopefully the editors are favouring more sceptical pieces than in the past when they tended to hide them away in obscure locations.

407050 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Londo Mollari, #458 of 2062 🔗

Yes much better.

407174 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, #459 of 2062 🔗

don’t worry, that’s on the way

408442 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Londo Mollari, #460 of 2062 🔗

Wrong, just full of pro vaccine nonsense

407034 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #461 of 2062 🔗

I’m not 100% up on how laws are derived under UK law, but can new laws and sentencing be made up on the spot without consultation with parliament (not that I’d trust the Westminster scumbags not to capitulate)?

407170 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #462 of 2062 🔗

that is exactly what is happening – parliament has been sidelined, and is now an irrelevance. attempts to bring these clear constitutional violations before the courts have been simply turned away. this is a totalitarian coup.

407171 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #463 of 2062 🔗

Well, they have been for nearly a year now…

407035 JayBee, 11, #464 of 2062 🔗

How anyone, including the otherwise most eloquent and sensible Lord Sumption, can still subscribe to the ‘well meaning at heart’ tyrant story is now beyond me.
The most obvious proof of their conscious malintent and sadism is that they have still not done anything about standardizing the PCR tests down to a max ct number at which they stop being meaningful, especially before demanding 3 more of them to be done per trip.
This flaw is common knowledge since at least half a year now.
And it has been addressed and is being practiced lile this in all those places which have few/no cases, like NZ/OZ, NFL, PGA Tour etc..
(Erroneously anyway) Trying to achieve now what they have achieved without using the real major ‘weapon’ they used for that is, whilst possessing the full knowledge about that weapon and its necessity for victory in rhat regard, nothing but a deliberate mass suicide/genocide strategy and desire.
If they can’t be made to change this at least and immediately, only a major revolt can now stop them and
the destruction they crave.

407041 merlin, 16, #465 of 2062 🔗

How about a life sentence for any public official( in solitary confinement) for calling a PCR positive an infection.

407043 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 7, #466 of 2062 🔗

WHY IS THIS BEING SOLD AS GOOD NEWS?? First dose Jabs are 64% effective – THIS VERY PAPER stated repeatedly AS FACT it was 89% (90%) effective. it’s BAD NEWS. The elderly were 220 times more likely to die from covid that a control group. Now only 80% more likely to die than a control group… WHAT A SUCCESS! Well, only 80% eh, its just as well you took their 2nd dose of vaccine off them, in peak weeks! This paper lied about the efficacy of one-done vaccine to suit a political agenda. Hid the 52% pfizer figure. But it’s closer to that than Tony Blair’s 90, is it not? All should be held to account! And now slipped in in the small print is that two doses is not 95% effective at all, but 79-84. I guarantee you that 79% is for the older age group who need most protection. So the elderly are now just 40-50% more at risk? But they were sold jabs, on the day, BY DOCTORS AS FACT as 90% effective. The 89/90% protection from one jab lied to ensure docility toward the one jab policy. Disgrace.
Credit to Mimi Two , daily mail comments.
The comments section is fabulously cynical!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9243101/Pfizer-Covid-jab-offers-two-thirds-protection-against-virus-one-dose-new-data-set-show.html

407073 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Jinks, #467 of 2062 🔗

I sense the vaccine roll ojt has many many failing they cannot spin enough to control. More than they can chew?

407126 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Basics, 1, #468 of 2062 🔗

Sooner or later, the masses will start questioning the ever-shifting narrative. Especially when the evidence of those suffering adverse effects becomes overwhelming.

407091 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jinks, 1, #469 of 2062 🔗

Note that the key figure for any medical treatment : that of absolute risk reduction is rarely quoted.

407054 A Heretic, 1, #470 of 2062 🔗

Absolute fanatic.

Well that’s one word for him, probably not the one I would have chosen.

407055 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #471 of 2062 🔗

This is a farce Below.See side effect vaccines.Death 59 Fatal 53.Pfizer side effects 31st Jan UK

407060 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 3, #472 of 2062 🔗

The other 6 were reborn as believers

407062 ▶▶ merlin, replying to swedenborg, 2, #473 of 2062 🔗

The other 6 are running for parliament.

407063 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to swedenborg, 5, #474 of 2062 🔗

So death isn’t always fatal. Good to know.

407078 ▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to kh1485, 3, #475 of 2062 🔗
407065 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to swedenborg, 2, #476 of 2062 🔗

The total fatalities at the very bottom of the document came to 107.

407184 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #477 of 2062 🔗

Interesting. They used 107 deaths to justify masks in shops…

407096 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to swedenborg, 2, #479 of 2062 🔗

But how many were vaccinated? What’s the total sample size? Let’s not play the same stupid game government is playing, trying to scare us with out of context numbers. We know better.

407145 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #480 of 2062 🔗

This is Pfizer given one dose up till 27th Jan.Probably millions given Of course difficult to assess that there were 5 persons getting blind and 5 persons getting deaf and need to compare how many deaf/blind spontaneously 2-4 weeks past vaccine/not vaccine in so many millions.
There is 1 report of congenital disesase difficult to underatand(not to given to pregnant)

But intersting and more relevant 101 anaphylactic reactions nobody died due to treatment.
And 217 C-19 infections with 10 deaths.
This is the first Pfizer dose more effect likely after second dose.

In summary this is not like the influenza vaccine at least 10 times riskier so far

407056 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #481 of 2062 🔗

I predict another letter/visit coming our way. Head ‘Safety Ambassador’ has just done his usual thing of feigning interest in one of the park shrubs (he seriously seems to think that we don’t know what he is up to). Gave me a scowl as he walked past and then walked straight past one our customers who was consuming a takeaway on one of the park benches. It’s like being in a rather sinister episode of Tom & Jerry .

407176 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #482 of 2062 🔗

What are YOU – not your customers, who have free will and responsibility for themselves – doing that’s actually wrong, KH?

407218 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 11, #483 of 2062 🔗

My real crime Sam is that I am not a ‘believer’. When we had the first visit, we were questioned very closely on our covid views (presumably because of the blackboard comments). For those, we are cleary being punished. I have been on the EHO radar for many years because I question their ridiculous diktats. All we are doing is what we are permitted to do – serve takeaways.

We had previously been kind to customers and provided a tray and proper crockery and, in some instances, taken the drinks/food to the customers outside. To my mind, the end result is the same so I don’t understand the justifation in going after us (other than it being personal). According to them, we are ‘encouraging’ people to gather, which is patent bollocks as there are only seven benches in the quite sizeable park. The only people gathering have been Max n Paddy and plod!

407455 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 2, #484 of 2062 🔗

According to them, we are ‘encouraging’ people to gather…

By that logic, so are all the big supermarkets. Likewise, waiting at a bus stop in the morning to go to work means the bus companies are guilty, too.

407187 ▶▶ John001, replying to kh1485, 2, #485 of 2062 🔗

Record if possible and put online after the nightmare is over. It’ll be funny then but of course it’s not at the time.

407576 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 1, #486 of 2062 🔗

Sounds more like Itchy and Scratchy

407059 DocRC, replying to DocRC, 54, #487 of 2062 🔗

Letter from a retired GP from Wales published in the BMJ on 4th Feb. As a retired GP from England, I couldn’t agree more!

Dear Editor
History is littered with examples of the atrocities which ensue when doctors abandon their traditional principles and judgement in favour of unquestioning subservience to government diktat – medical involvement in torture, human experimentation and psychiatric punishment of political dissidents being familiar examples.
Abbasi takes as axiomatic that there was no prior immunity in the population, that lockdowns are effective, that computer modelling is realistic, that statistics have been accurate and that WHO statements are reliable. All of these parameters have been widely challenged by knowledgeable and conscientious researchers whose findings were often disregarded, censored or vilified.
From a medical perspective, it was clear early on in the crisis that disregarding clinical acumen in favour of blind obedience to abnormal ventilation measures, reliance on an unsuitable laboratory test for diagnosis and management, and abandoning the duty of care to elderly hospitalised patients and those awaiting diagnosis and treatment of serious diseases, would create severe problems down the line.
Doctors who had empirically found effective pharmaceutical remedies and preventative treatments were ignored, or worse, denigrated or silenced. Information regarding helpful dietary supplements was suppressed.
This was further compounded by rule-changes to death certification, coroners’ instructions, autopsy guidelines, DNR notices and the cruel social isolation policy enforcement regarding family visits to the sick and dying.
When medical professionals allow themselves to be manipulated by corrupt politicians and influenced by media propaganda instead of being guided by their own ethical principles and common sense based on decades of clinical experience, the outlook becomes very bleak indeed.
Historically, public respect for and trust in doctors has exceeded that awarded to politicians. The unquestioning capitulation of medicine to an authoritarian executive and predatory corporate power may have undermined the doctor-patient relationship for a generation.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n314/rr-8

407070 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DocRC, 5, #488 of 2062 🔗

Powerful.

407076 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to DocRC, 4, #489 of 2062 🔗

Thank you. Reposted!

407155 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DocRC, 10, #490 of 2062 🔗

yes my faith in ‘modern medicine’ has so far collapsed that I intend to remove myself altogether from the NHS register. I want nothing more to do with them, and would rather take my chances with nature

407196 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #491 of 2062 🔗

I’m considering the same, aged 67.
I learned about high-dose vitamin D at age 65.
I’d known about healthy diets for much longer but vitamin D seems to be even more crucial.

407158 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to DocRC, 8, #492 of 2062 🔗

Thanks, as the daughter of a GP (who thankfully passed a few years ago) I couldn’t agree more.

The complicity of the majority of the medical profession and other HCPs is beyond comprehension

407462 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DocRC, #493 of 2062 🔗

He should have sent that to the Telegraph; let more people read it.

407656 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DocRC, 1, #494 of 2062 🔗

Hear, hear!!! Should be circulated more widely.

And he’s right, trust in the medical profession will be badly damaged. I have not gotten around to registering with a GP and this shit show has ensured that I will not bother for the foreseeable future.

407068 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #495 of 2062 🔗

Bin the caps.

Reminder to all uppercasing Covid is part of their fear game – the word does not require uppercase.

SARS-CoV-2, Covid-19 or Covid84 is fine.

407083 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Basics, 2, #496 of 2062 🔗

Why Covid? Why not covid? I don’t seem to remember seeing people say “The Flu”. Or “I have a bit of a Headache.” I’ve even seen “ebola” and “zika”, even though the former is the name of a river and the latter the name of a forest.

407093 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #497 of 2062 🔗

Why not cristi.neagu?

407349 ▶▶ mj, replying to Basics, 2, #498 of 2062 🔗

“covid” should always be in quotation marks. that indicates that it is not a specific thing but a word being used to cover various possible things ..

407071 PoshPanic, 5, #499 of 2062 🔗

The Currant Bun article in todays links..

Dr Strain said “no evidence” did not mean it couldn’t be ruled out.

Apart from the obvious WTF comment, his name is Dr Strain!?? What’s his superpower, shitting out complete garbage at journalists?

407074 Cristi.Neagu, 17, #500 of 2062 🔗

I used to work on engine diagnostics for passenger cars. A lot of our diagnostics were of the “if this value goes above this threshold, there’s an issue” type. It is, basically, what PCR testing is. And we used to do a lot of testing, trying to understand what the system is doing normally, without faults, what are the worst case scenarios, all aimed at figuring out a threshold where we don’t catch any of the normal use cases (no false positives) and we can robustly detect an actual fault. And we were doing all that work so as not to upset a few customers with a trip to the service, and to limit our spend on services covered by the guarantee.

And here we have, the brightest minds in the medical field, on whose work depend not only every person in this country, but also the entire economy, and they never bothered trying to understand what that PCR test is doing and where the threshold is supposed to be. If i had set thresholds by ear, with no evidence, and then it turns out 2 in a thousand customers were having issues with it, i would have probably lost my job. These guys are hailed as heroes. I bet they didn’t even bother reading the initial paper about PCR tests. What an utter joke.

407075 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 26, #501 of 2062 🔗

Last night, I copied and pasted a rather amateurish poster about a bid to create a maskless protest in supermarkets. However, it was turned into a trollfest and the point was eclipsed.

I’ve noticed over the last few nights that AidanR and Anti-socialist have created the sort of long, pointless trollspats normally associated with the 77ths BTL on Conservative Woman or the DT. When I called them out on it, Anti-Socialist claimed: I’m afraid I’m not batmans robin, in fact i don’t recall ever seeing his name before.

However, Basics too pointed out: Noticing there’s a little tag team of guys on the same shift. Go back over the days you’ll see they appear in tandem.

Just a headsup.

Meanwhile, here’s the offending poster again. Yes the graphics are poor but I took it straight from the Protest Everywhere group to get the info out. I was thinking of those people who are nervous to go out muzzle-free, they could maybe find some allies on Tuesday and Thursday evenings.
It might be one of a very few places to legitimately meet new like-minded people too…….

407084 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cheezilla, -38, #502 of 2062 🔗

It still looks like it was make out of sticklebricks and alphabetti spaghetti.

407111 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to AidanR, 16, #503 of 2062 🔗

Well do something constructive then instead of just sniping from sidelines.

407131 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to AidanR, 8, #504 of 2062 🔗

Fuck off somewhere else 77

407140 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jaguarpig, -13, #505 of 2062 🔗

LOL…. “Everyone who says something I don’t like must be from some shadowy government psi-ops team.”

408112 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, 2, #506 of 2062 🔗

Obviously not. You could just be being a knobhead for the sake of it.

408542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, #507 of 2062 🔗

Aren’t you the guy who’s had a girly strop and stormed out, slamming the door behind him several times now?

408813 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, #508 of 2062 🔗

Nah.

407359 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to AidanR, 3, #509 of 2062 🔗

yes it does look a little like it it was done by a 6 year old in school (remember when that happened) but then again, this is aimed at the masked sheeple who have the attentions span of a goldfish and who are likely to notice something bright and simple and full of pictures, rather than us intelligent sophisticates

407135 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #510 of 2062 🔗

Aidan is no more “77th” for over-harshly responding to the poster than Basics is for implying that Aidan is an intentional disrupter. Aidan has been around for many months and has always been what he is – sharp as tack, venomously intolerant of nonsense, and absolutely committed to the anti-lockdown cause.

Was he right in his criticism of the poster itself? Was he wrong to make that criticism in such a vicious manner, that could easily be interpreted as personal criticism?

Those are the issues, though I’d suggest the best stance would be to recognise that such very different people as you and Aidan each contribute to the fight in different ways and are unlikely to get on personally.

Look on the bright side – at least with Aidan’s approach you aren’t going to get any over-polite false praise…..

407150 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, -4, #511 of 2062 🔗

Thanks Mark. You’re right of course. Plenty of room for all styles.

I was hoping to leave yesterday’s chapter as yesterday’s news. I had no wish to drag it into today.

But it has been brought into today, and I will not be driven away by dogpiling.

A truce is probably in order.

407214 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 4, #512 of 2062 🔗

A truce is probably in order .”

That would seem the most constructive response, to me. But you are probably going to need to bite your figurative tongue a few times to let the heat go out ….

407156 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #513 of 2062 🔗

If people on this site object to that poster, then they they are likely paid trolls and should be called out as such. This is the prime sight for anti-lockdowners, so 77th Brigade and other government funded trolls are bound to be active here.

407165 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Rowan, -15, #514 of 2062 🔗

There are websites about sea snails that have more traffic than this one… The daily sum total of BTL contributors is probably 60 people.

Even if 77 were this big shadowy monster, do you really think they’d spend their precious resources here?

407634 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AidanR, 1, #515 of 2062 🔗

QED

407637 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to AidanR, 3, #516 of 2062 🔗

‘Even if 77 were this big shadowy monster, do you really think they’d spend their precious resources here?’

*If* 77th has its instructions, and *if*, as Rowan says, this site is ‘the prime [site] for anti-lockdowners’, then, well, yes. Obviously.

407080 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 15, #517 of 2062 🔗

“Perth in Australia, which recently went into a snap lockdown because of a single positive case, is an exemplar of the Zero Covid approach”

With a “test” that is known to have false positives (an not just a few), how is this possible without people screaming bullshit?! Have 99.? % of human brains stopped working?!

407087 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to norwegian, 8, #518 of 2062 🔗

… and how on earth did they only detect *one* positive? Did they only perform *one* test?

407082 Mark, replying to Mark, 19, #519 of 2062 🔗

Please speak to Keir Starmer and your party and begin a new movement to bring down this murderous government and turn this catastrophe around.

Hugo Stolkin is rather naive I think about the real nature of the party he has supported all his life. Lockdown is fundamentally a policy that fits perfectly with the basic principles of the Labour Party – state-centric, collectivist, employing top-down state coercion to force people to do what is supposedly for the greatest good of the greatest number, and openly justified by worship of the great shibboleth of the Labour left – the holy national health bureaucracy that is the NHS.

Stolkin, like me, clearly doubts the assumptions that ostensibly underpin lockdown – that without it there would be a “disaster”, that the “NHS would collapse”, that the costs of lockdown are less than the costs of not locking down and can supposedly be ameliorated anyway by more state action, to help those harmed by it, that infinite borrowing for socialist purposes is perfectly practicable and acceptable.

But doubts about those assumptions, however self-evident to us, clearly are not shared by the Labour hierarchy from Corbyn to Starmer

Has there been the slightest chink in the lockstep Labour hierarchy response to the coronapanic, of “faster, harder lockdown”, to justify any hope Stolkin feels of some kind of revolutionary change in that party’s utter political failure on lockdown?

I am of the opposite political persuasion to Stolkin, but I long since recognised that it was futile to expect real conservatism, traditionalism or patriotism from the kind of people at the top of the “Conservative” Party. Perhaps it’s time Stolkin likewise recognised that our problem is not any one party, but a wholly corrupted political class, including those among them who have been slightly better at pretending, from Corbyn on the left to the likes of Rees-Mogg or Gove (at times) on the supposed right. All of them revealed, when the coronapanic test came, as internally rotted timbers.

I have to turn to new parties like Reclaim and Heritage to look for politicians unsullied by lockdown support. Perhaps if enough people like him do the same there might be one – just one would be a start – party of the left that would openly and clearly stand against lockdown.

407100 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 4, #520 of 2062 🔗

I have to turn to new parties like Reclaim and Heritage to look for politicians unsullied by lockdown support. Perhaps if enough people like him do the same there might be one – just one would be a start – party of the left that would openly and clearly stand against lockdown.

Indeed.

Your profile photo however is quite scary

407169 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 4, #521 of 2062 🔗

LOL! Ok I’ll change it later on today.

407101 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, #522 of 2062 🔗

I have to turn to new parties like Reclaim and Heritage to look for politicians unsullied by lockdown support. Perhaps if enough people like him do the same there might be one – just one would be a start – party of the left that would openly and clearly stand against lockdown.

Indeed.

Your profile photo however is quite scary

407124 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mark, #523 of 2062 🔗

Yes I said this today. Pushing the Tories to set up the system that allows them to play out their agenda.

Why the masked picture? It’s not nice!

407167 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #524 of 2062 🔗

It was suggested that I put in a profile pic because there’s been a recurrence of posting comments under duplicate names and someone was commenting as “Mark” again. It was a good suggestion, so I jumped through the Gravatar hoops to do so and stuck in an old anti-mask image I had lying around. Didn’t occur to me that it’s too small here for the message to be easily read…..

Maybe I’ll see if I can dig up a different picture.

407209 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, #525 of 2062 🔗

Rather use one of Bob’s cartoons

407308 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Mark, #526 of 2062 🔗

Phew, glad to see the reason behind your picture Mark, I was starting to worry!.

407636 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #527 of 2062 🔗

Is that a picture of you, Mark? Thank Christ for the mask…..

407699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #528 of 2062 🔗

Far better looking than me, mate, even before the ravages of time and cancer… : -)

408522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 1, #529 of 2062 🔗

Tell me about both, kiddo.

408080 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #530 of 2062 🔗

I agree with this it seems to me that the entire political class and establishment is deeply corrupt and authoritarian in Britain. I really make no distinction between them from Corbyn to Steve Baker. They are all in it for their own careers and could not care less about the public. The Left/Right division has become meaningless, the only issue now is if you are pro or anti this tyrannical establishment. I am happy to join forces with anyone who opposes it and wants them overthrown and destroyed.

408368 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, #531 of 2062 🔗

The Left/Right division has become meaningless

Not meaningless, it is fundamental and will never be meaningless, but it is not the most urgent line of dispute in Britain today (that’s for or against coronapanic and lockdown) and nor is it the line between the political parties (all the current main political parties are of the left basically).

As you say, the urgent and important issue of the day is whether you resist the panic and the lockdown, not which side of the left/right divide you ordinarily fall on.

407086 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 73, #532 of 2062 🔗

One of the saddest comments I’ve seen on this site is the one by the left-wing LS reader today who has written to Harriet Harman MP begging her to ask Keir Starmer to end this murderous lockdown. He gets it but he doesn’t get it at all. Starmer and the whole political class are trapped in lockdown fanaticism and many Labour people want even tougher lockdown, no matter what the destructive effect. As someone who has been a conservative all my life and a party member (not any more) I must say that it doesn’t matter if you are left-wing, right-wing, any-wing or no-wing, the political class are out of control and need to suffer a mass extinction event. If anyone thinks our govt. or its alternative has the ability to govern us in a calm, rational way or cares a fig for democratic values and accountability then they deserve everything they get. Our governing class are actually dangerous.

407095 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to frankfrankly, 19, #533 of 2062 🔗

Great post!

If labour did their job that of being opposition we would never have been in this mess – destruction of economy, livelihoods, mental health, dreams etc

407130 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Victoria, 1, #534 of 2062 🔗

So it’s not really Boris Johnson and his government of loonies who are to blame?

407128 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to frankfrankly, 7, #535 of 2062 🔗

exactly, they all need to go, and not just in the soft sense of ‘lose their jobs’ but be held to account before a human rights tribunal and face the severest of penalties. add to that any professional who has been complicit to ANY degree in this horror-show: police, medics, journalists – the whole damn lot of them need to be wiped out – and soon. it’s them or us.

407142 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to frankfrankly, 16, #536 of 2062 🔗

Some on the Left see it as an opportunity to permanently re-fashion the relationship between the individual and the state. We now have a huge public sector and unprecedented intervention in personal lives. This is a route to better social justice in the eyes of some and they want it to become institutionalised. There has been interesting discussion on ‘authoritarian muscle memory’, i.e. the state becoming so used to ruling by decree that it never wants to go back, or at least it preserves the memory of its practice for a long, long time to come.

I would agree that this issue should transcend Left and Right. I don’t see the destruction of jobs, end of in-person education and the elites having a good time of it as particularly conducive to a fairer and more just world. I am not on the Left but if I was I would see this episode as a disaster for the cause.

407157 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #537 of 2062 🔗

About time to make a sensible party for common men and women, eh?

407500 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to norwegian, #538 of 2062 🔗

My vote is for the Slightly Silly Party.

407485 ▶▶ musicgirl, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #539 of 2062 🔗

I was a left-wing Labour voter, but I’ve spent an awful lot of time with anarchists this past year and find myself much more drawn to their way of thinking! I doubt I’ll ever vote again.

408082 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #540 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely tight…frankly they all need exterminating.

407092 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #541 of 2062 🔗

I think Hancock is easily moving into villain number#1 spot.

I wonder if he has plans to leave the UK once the destruction starts to come to a head. He cannot be safe in this Country for long.

407104 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #542 of 2062 🔗

Maybe his reward from the over lords will be the leadership position…

certainly doesn’t seem too concerned about any future enquiry that will only start when the never ending lockdown ends

407109 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #543 of 2062 🔗

Lets hope not

407113 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #544 of 2062 🔗

He won’t be the only one in danger.

407162 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to JHUNTZ, #545 of 2062 🔗

I’m guessing he will eventually be escaped by U boat to one of ‘those’ S American countries and will hope to enjoy time with his relatives and other chosen volk and perhaps learn another European language.

407411 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Robin Birch, #546 of 2062 🔗

Hopefully Peru – they have strict lockdowns there.

407244 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #547 of 2062 🔗

You have to hope that his constituents see him for what he really is and refuse to vote him back in followed up by any reasonable employer refusing to employ him.

407110 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #548 of 2062 🔗

Here’s the full list. Not exactly your average Brit family holiday destinations, are they?
It will stop a few people from seeing their families but this is mostly a huge storm in a teacup – or the thin end of a wedge.
We need to watch for what’s happening beneath this smokescreen!

The 33 hotel quarantine ‘red list’ countries
South Africa
DR Congo
Tanzania
Zimbabwe
Botswana
Eswatini
Zambia
Malawi
Namibia
Lesotho
Mozambique
Angola
Rwanda
Burundi
United Arab Emirates (including Dubai)
Mauritius
Seychelles
Portugal (including Madeira and the Azores)
Panama
Cape Verde
Argentina
Brazil
Bolivia
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
French Guiana
Guyana
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Uruguay
Venezuela

407114 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #549 of 2062 🔗

Not big players on the WEF scene… most using Ivermectin and HCQ. Not buying into the vaccine propaganda. Must be punished!

407123 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #550 of 2062 🔗

no Sweden? I suppose everyone there has died so its unnecessary

407260 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 2, #551 of 2062 🔗

No, mate. The current line on Sweden from the Branch Covidians is that everyone there has got ‘long covid’.

407193 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #552 of 2062 🔗

I had to do a Google to find that Eswatini is what most of us know as Swaziland.

407231 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to davews, 1, #553 of 2062 🔗

Ditto for me.

407892 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #554 of 2062 🔗

and me.

407367 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to davews, #555 of 2062 🔗

always a low scorer on Pointless . !!

407198 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #556 of 2062 🔗

I’m just having a discussion with covidian who believes being jailed for 10 years for lying on a form serves a reasonable deterrent. They can’t quite get their head around the fact that we have more fingers and toes each than Tanzania has had covid deaths.

407239 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to leggy, 10, #557 of 2062 🔗

I’m more bothered about the fact that with a stroke of the pen, without reference to parliament, without debate in parliament and without a vote by MPs this has been signed into law. Just where does this autocratic nonsense stop?

407894 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #558 of 2062 🔗

I’m only guessing, but I reckon they’d find it hard to carry on with their heads all on sticks ?

407217 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #559 of 2062 🔗

I see the number 33 pops up YET AGAIN! Over and over, I’m seeing it in nearly everything being reported. In plain sight as they say. More proof they’re laughing their tits off at us.

407229 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelenaHancart, #560 of 2062 🔗

Well spotted! Yes, their ribs must ache quite noticeably nowadays.

407225 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #561 of 2062 🔗

Wondering why there are 33 on the list?

Because the USA is number 34 according to the list of at risk countries published by the DM. They DARE not include the US. They would run out of hotel rooms very quickly.

407234 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #562 of 2062 🔗

Dubai is on this list only as a punishment – too many people went there for a Christmas holiday and sent back lots of lovely images on TikTok, FB and Instagram. That wasn’t allowed as the message that was meant to be conveyed was one of misery and despair on every continent due to the big bad covid. So Dubai was summarily put onto a no-fly list a few weeks ago and as continuing punishment has now made it onto the Red list. This has also of course caused (deliberate ) stress within the UAE as Abu Dhabi was taking a different approach to their covid defences, yet they and their airline (Etihad) have been made to pay the same price as Dubai and Emirates with a cancellation of direct flights. The very fact that indirect flights were and still are allowed confirms of course its nothing to do with stopping spread and merely, as I said, a punishment. And the governments of the UAE will be unlikely to forget what Doris and Handjob have done to them, so don’t be expecting any Brexit dividend there if/when this fiasco ever scales don.

407278 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bigade, 7, #563 of 2062 🔗

Sent this to the Home Office Attn: Priti Patel:

My question is for the Home Secretary, Priti Patel MP, as I am shocked by her recent decision to add the United Arab Emirates to the “red list” of quarantine countries in what can only be called a blatant and obvious attempt to control the official narrative of “travel bad”.

There was no medical or scientific reason for her to announce this decision.

It was purely political and an outright abuse of power.

Can you please explain your reasoning behind the decision? Is there any other than “must stop people travelling”?

No reply as yet.

407279 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #564 of 2062 🔗

Also sent to the Conservatives Central office requesting her removal from office.

407414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #565 of 2062 🔗

Presumably no reply to that either…!? Shame..

407739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Pebbles, #566 of 2062 🔗

How did you guess?

407241 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cheezilla, #567 of 2062 🔗

Unless you know the right people, of course….

407280 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #568 of 2062 🔗

this is mostly a huge storm in a teacup – or the thin end of a wedge .”

Definitely the latter, imo.

It’s invariably about setting up structures that can later be quickly, easily and quietly abused as and when the need and opportunity arises.

407112 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #569 of 2062 🔗

Got a FOI answer back from PHE about covid death reporting.

They do nto answer any of my questions as they cannot but they do apologise about it and sent me 2 links insetad:

Thank you for your email dated 24 January 2021 to Public Health England (PHE) in relation to COVID-19 deaths data. I work on the team that handles enquiries and have been asked to respond to your request. Please accept an apology for the delay in answering your email. PHE is currently receiving a high volume of correspondence about COVID-19 and this has affected our response lead times.

Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback on the manner in which daily death totals are calculated. We can pass your concerns onto the relevant team at PHE but regrettably we cannot answer your specific queries. However, we can provide you with the latest information on the daily deaths calculation.

Here is a web link to a blog titled ‘Counting deaths during the pandemic’ dated 08 February 2021.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/08/counting-deaths-during-the-pandemic/

Here is a web link to a previous blog titled ‘Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths’ dated 12 August 2020.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

I hope you find this information helpful and apologise we could not answer your specific queries on this occasion.

The DHSC and NHS were sent the same questions so we’ll see what they say before I play one off against the other.

407185 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #570 of 2062 🔗

Great work.

Did amuse me that Public Health England in the first line of their blog used one of our btl posters ‘sadlidied’ word, although with the wrong spelling

Counting how many people have sadlidied with COVID-19 is not straightforward

407117 steve_w, 10, #571 of 2062 🔗

Zoe update

R is still below 0.8 (it was 0.85 last summer)

new daily symptomatics back to September levels

https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

407121 TheClone, 11, #572 of 2062 🔗

Ministers in talks to create Covid vaccine certificate to allow international travel – under pay-walled The TelegraphControl, control, control!

407127 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #573 of 2062 🔗

There are going to be council elections soon we need REFORM or RECLAIM to step up to the plate right now ! They need to be hammering at the airwaves and media (sorry forgot, censored) against these vile criminals who are infesting our “democratic” house..

Democracy here is dead if the only choice is Tories = lockdown
OR Labour = lockdown plus

407143 ▶▶ Mark, replying to nickbowes, 10, #574 of 2062 🔗

Yes – it’s vital that there are clearly anti-lockdown candidates for people to vote for everywhere.

407878 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #575 of 2062 🔗

KBF Sussex are organising a slate of anti-lockdown candidates. Even setting up a ‘party’ (mandatory) is a Brobdingnagian nightmare.

407144 ▶▶ RickH, replying to nickbowes, 4, #576 of 2062 🔗

Sorry – but local elections are irrelevant to this.

The nation made the key fatal choice over a year ago – and we’re stuck with it.

407153 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 15, #577 of 2062 🔗

It wouldn’t have mattered who we voted for both parties have been singing from the same repressive hymn sheet.

407182 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #578 of 2062 🔗

The obvious assumption is that RickH wants to ensure that no alternatives to Labour arise, so that the Labour Party lockdown fanatics are rewarded for their collaboration by gaining power Presumably getting “his party” into office is in the end more important to him than lockdown issues.

407175 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 14, #579 of 2062 🔗

No, just as Euro-elections were vital to the rise of the Brexit parties, so local elections are the necessary first step for anti-lockdown parties.

And as was highlighted yesterday, local authorities are the front line enforcers of the lockdown:

407417 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mark, 1, #580 of 2062 🔗

and the “civil servants” that work in the councils will take any notice of elected representatives, even if an election brought forward more independent councillors? i doubt it. they follow government (ie civil service) instructions

407883 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mj, 1, #581 of 2062 🔗

Independent councillors can get their voices heard though. And make things a lot more ‘rigorous’ for council officers.

407178 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 4, #582 of 2062 🔗

Because things would have been so much better if Zero Covid Corbyn had been in charge for the last year.

407186 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 2, #583 of 2062 🔗

Even that election was irrelevant.

407149 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to nickbowes, 4, #584 of 2062 🔗

Just to keep things inclusive, are there parties on the Left that want lockdown ended and are putting up candidates? Would be good for our wider audience to know.

407181 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #585 of 2062 🔗

I don t know !
Problem is many small parties now fighting for small slice of the pie with zero media coverage. Kurten
s “Heritage Party” also in the mix.
Council elections, once irrelevant, will be interesting to see even if they can go ahead ! but there needs to be a strong showing at these elections or we have to realize that the political path is now a blind alley.

407188 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to nickbowes, 3, #586 of 2062 🔗

It’s going to be a brutally Darwinist environment, but presumably in the end effective parties will arise.

As you say, they must, or democratic means are exhausted.

407236 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #587 of 2062 🔗

I am sure Rick H will be able to highlight some left wing politicians and commentators who are opposed to Lockdown.

407265 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 2, #588 of 2062 🔗

Surely at least some of them must have noticed what he has, that it’s all been “driven by the hard right”?

I mean, if not then surely he’s basically pointing out that the left-wing political class are all just too stupid to tie their own laces…

407408 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 1, #589 of 2062 🔗

problem is they are going to split the vote
they need an alliance as per the Liberal-SDP in the 80’s

407133 PoshPanic, 4, #590 of 2062 🔗

The AIER article in the links is pretty much what I’ve suspected from the start, that this is a perfect storm, that’s been a golden opportunity for a few.

One point missing though is that number 5. Governments, have increased their blind reliance on number 1. Big Tech and all the dodgy data that comes with it.

407136 RickH, replying to RickH, 21, #591 of 2062 🔗

Worth saying again that border restrictions are yet another measure not recommended by the WHO in 2019.

This adds to a long, long list.

407257 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to RickH, 6, #592 of 2062 🔗

Everything, everything we thought we knew about pandemic management pre-2020 has been chucked down the memory hole.

407875 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mattghg, 1, #593 of 2062 🔗

I didn’t know anyhting about ‘pandemic management’ in the first place. And it was still obvious that what was being pushed was a crock of shit.

407141 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #594 of 2062 🔗

Is Bruce Reynolds around? I need cheering up with some story about wearing a gas mask in Specsavers and shouting that the SA strain is killing pets 🙂

407146 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to steve_w, 10, #595 of 2062 🔗

Someone needs to film him in action, I would pay to watch it.

407177 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 19, #596 of 2062 🔗

Fuck Steve your making me blush.. My old mum is still moaning like fuck about showing her up in the council office,as I said you got 400 quid of the bill, can’t please some people!

407180 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #597 of 2062 🔗

Mums are always the hardedst to please.

407192 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #598 of 2062 🔗

keep up the good work. your stories are being shared and cheering people up!

407168 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #599 of 2062 🔗

This was a New Year’s Eve party in Zanzibar, Tanzania

https://twitter.com/AlanAprich/status/1346392455474802694

407226 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to rockoman, 1, #600 of 2062 🔗

Lucky gits

407172 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 24, #601 of 2062 🔗

It seems abundantly clear that the ‘vaccines’ do not stop transmission. So what is the point of a vaccination passport? The illogic involved in these kinds of contradictions are gradually forcing me to believe there is genuine insanity going on.

407190 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to redbirdpete, 13, #602 of 2062 🔗

Unless its not about a virus and about control, a passport to control everyone on the pretext of health would get the green light where a lot objections would come up as they have before, Blair tried to push ID for the UK and failed

407200 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to redbirdpete, 13, #603 of 2062 🔗

It has always only been about the health passport. That will only be the first step. Then all other aspects of your life will be added to that digital passport – if we allow them

407205 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to redbirdpete, 13, #604 of 2062 🔗

What’s going on is much more sinister than mere insanity.

407183 davews, replying to davews, 4, #605 of 2062 🔗

Censorship is not limited to Facebook, twitter and newspaper comments, One of the places I visit is https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/ who today has a long tirade about lockdown et al and I might have guessed there is some sceptic blood in him. I made a comment earlier there about side effects from the AZ vaccine, together with some very relevant comments about restrictions to my favourite pastime, walking. Guess what, they have disappeared without trace. But lots of similar sceptic comments are allowed to remain.

407250 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to davews, #606 of 2062 🔗

If he had a long tirade about lockdown and there are lots of similar sceptic comments I suggest that there’s maybe something else going on. It would be strange that sceptical comments on a site that appears to be sceptical should not appear.

DavidC

407189 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 14, #607 of 2062 🔗

If it normally takes 8 to 10 years for a vaccine to be developed and approved, how is it that in the last six months, not one but THREE new vaccines have been developed and approved; Pfizer, Oxford and Moderna, whilst two more are in the pipeline awaiting approval? Is this nothing short of miraculous?

Our plumber was here yesterday-a very level-headed and down to earth chap. He sees vaccines as the government’s ladder to climb out of the very deep hole which they have dug for themselves. I tend to agree with him.

407191 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Margaret, 7, #608 of 2062 🔗

its a ladder whose rungs are falling off due to ‘the mutants’

407212 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 8, #609 of 2062 🔗

Let’s be clear :

its a ladder whose rungs are falling off due to fictions about (‘the) mutants’”

407285 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 1, #610 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, they do not even appear to want to climb out of the ladder.

407328 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 1, #611 of 2062 🔗

Mutants, vaccines, waves, infections, deaths with, etc. It’s fiction upon fiction upon fiction. Nothing can be proven or unproven, justified or unjustified, achieved or failed. They don’t need to when they can just deny objective reality and make their own.

407194 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Margaret, 6, #612 of 2062 🔗

The government has said the ‘vaccine’ will not end any restrictions.

407215 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 9, #613 of 2062 🔗

Yes … and the gullible still can’t see the lack of good faith and sheer nonsense being thrust upon them.

407201 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 7, #614 of 2062 🔗

It’s about surveillance and control of our movements – and that’s just for starters.

407202 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, 16, #615 of 2062 🔗

They are not really approved or licences.

They are under Emergency use Approval only which is a completely different kettle of fish.

407224 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #616 of 2062 🔗

Thanks AG, I understand that. They are still being jabbed into folks in massive numbers though, even if they are only approved for emergency use.

407271 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, 4, #617 of 2062 🔗

Yep, the EUA rules were not meant for for mass vaccinating whole populations, just sporadic. localised outbreaks of something.

Frightening isn’t it especially with the refusal by authorities to even think about looking at the correlation (I know it’s not causation etc) between the avccien roll out, covid outbreaks and increasing deaths in the targeted demographics.

Just waiting for the rise in problems in the 60s then 50s as the vaccine moves down the ladder to see how they deny everything then.

407213 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Margaret, 15, #618 of 2062 🔗

Yes, very convenient that they are all developed around the same time, isn’t it?
I’ve started quipping to some people that it’s so brave of folk willing to take an experimental vaccine of which I would prefer to perhaps wait until the human trials stage is over in a few years. The response is mostly of surprise/shock…….as if the dummies haven’t even considered that they are essentially test subjects.

407195 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #620 of 2062 🔗

Is it me, or does this say what I think it says? It’s from the DW report quoted ATL.

…. in order to avoid risking the successful curbing of infections …,

407246 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #621 of 2062 🔗

What is DW.? What is ATL?

DavidC

407277 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DavidC, #622 of 2062 🔗

DW= Deutsche Welle, a state-owned German broadcaster.
ATL- above the line! Get with the beat, daddio!
BTL- nice sandwich on malted bread!

407248 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Cheezilla, #623 of 2062 🔗

Probably a result of machine translation, rather than a tacit admission. On the other hand, what will our Dear Leaders do when infections decline?

407625 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DJ Dod, #624 of 2062 🔗

Interesting that a machine could suffer from Freudian slip!

407346 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #625 of 2062 🔗

“Gefahren”/”Gefahr laufen” can, I think , mean either “risk” or “jeopardise” in a particular context- probably supposed to mean “jeopardise” in this case- not entirely sure, Silke D will know for certain, she’ll no doubt be round before long.
(Cloth-eared translations by people who know the words but don’t understand the context are a perennial problem- the classic example, which may well be urban myth, is supposed to be the translator who translated “Einstein” as “une pierre”.)

407622 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #626 of 2062 🔗

Thanks.

407197 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #627 of 2062 🔗

Off topic – Been trying to find out what the fancy new anntenas are that are now in the centre of nearly every town, sometimes a few of them.

Couldn’t really find a proper picture but this article from the Sun shows them sort of plus you can see the shape through the flames in a couple.

Now I know, they are 5G masts.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/11421457/ee-5g-towers-masts-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory/

They weren’t there a few months ago but now seem to be sprouting up everywhere.

Anyone live near one of these and is there a covid cluster in your area?

I know Walsall for sure.

407233 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #628 of 2062 🔗

The way I’m feeling now I want more than just 5G masts burning.

407247 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #629 of 2062 🔗

33 warns of risk to human life….oops had my tablet upside down…EE warns of…..

407287 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #630 of 2062 🔗

For roll-out of social credit passports… an app that records your every move and activity, and determines how many “credits” you get (credits replace money) – no one works, no more jobs, people just exist and are told when they are allowed outside. If you’re not good (defy masking order and vaccine order) you are not allowed out.

407440 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #631 of 2062 🔗

Which is why the 2m social distancing – so the individual devices can be listed as individual locations and not all lumped together.

407451 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, #632 of 2062 🔗

get a non mainstream phone that cannot be tracked

The Gab phone will arrive soon

also Sailfish on the Xperia ( I have 4 of them)

https://jolla.com/sailfishX/

407203 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 18, #633 of 2062 🔗

Grant Craps says “Vaccine passports may be introduced, to help the tourism industry” Labour is “Open to the idea”. Well, blow me down.

407207 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sam Vimes, 12, #634 of 2062 🔗

Just a conspiracy theory.

407210 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to leggy, 18, #635 of 2062 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the curve

407267 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, 1, #636 of 2062 🔗

For weeks read years, or possibly decades.

407339 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to steve_w, #637 of 2062 🔗

Flatten the economy

407211 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #638 of 2062 🔗

It was always about vaccine passports!

407264 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #639 of 2062 🔗

No, it was and is all about the vaccines. The vaccines are all about depopulation and everything else is a distraction.

407266 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #640 of 2062 🔗

Not vaccine passports- the end-game is the social passport.

407306 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #641 of 2062 🔗

Democracy in action folks. Good to know the system is so effective at protecting our liberties through the challenge of democratic process and the oversight of an independent media.

407204 leggy, replying to leggy, 33, #642 of 2062 🔗

Copied from FB – sums up covidians pretty well in my eyes:

“INSANITY MASQUERADING AS NORMALITY
“The brainwashed Covid cult followers are nothing more than attention seeking hypochondriacs, framing their cowardice as a virtue, promoting themselves as “selfless life savers” as the hero protagonist in their own theatre of life as their imagination has been captured by a televisual pandemic narrative by design.
None of the perceived threat or danger is based in reality. These drones have such unimpassioned lives, this fear porn sense of occasion gives their life this perverse sense of purpose. To the degree they can display their worship of authoritarianism masquerading as care in their community, is a perfect control device they can visit upon their contemporaries and by extension a sense of power they bask in, not understanding they are mired in complete righteous ignorance, such is the insidious success of the generational brainwashing.
They don’t GIVE A FUCK about other people, yet can’t wait to bleat how many people they know with “Covid” wearing self indulgent misery as a badge of honour and in a sadomasochistic frenzy DEMAND MORE RESTRICTIONS.
The most stupid thing I hear from these sentient skin tags is “WELL IT IS DANGEROUS AND MUCH DEADLIER THAN THE FLU”??
600,000 people die from respiratory diseases descending from the common flu each and every year THAT NONE OF THESE COVID WORSHIPPERS have ever given a fuck about.
These Covid cult worshippers don’t give a fuck about the health and well being of other people otherwise they would have stopped complying with this nonsensical farce when understanding how many people are dying in the thousands due to not receiving their elective surgeries for other health issues due to Covid “health policy”.
When understanding how many people are committing suicide due to “lockdowns” and the very fabric of our society being dissolved as people’s investments, ambitions and aspirations are demolished by government regulations masquerading as “health policy”.
25,000 people PER DAY are dying from starvation and you guessed it Covid “health policy” is contributing to this condition of capitalist psychopathy exponentially due to Covid “health policy” and forecasted food shortages.
The entire future and joy of the upcoming generation of our children has become a living human Guinea pig experiment as we are steered into oblivion under the dastardly dictation of a long time planned “GREAT RESET” as we descend into authoritarian capitalism under technocratic collectivism in an emerging digital prison grid this televisual implanted “pandemic” was used as a pretext for, to necessitate this regime change to “build back better” a NEW WORLD ORDER that the most selfish, conscientiously ignorant ronaspastics bleat in unison is all due to “Covid 19” as they volunteer the last remnants of their mental sovereignty, body autonomy, dignity, common sense and sanity over to private companies and unelected officials in a biopolitical dissolving of humanity in a “LOCK STEP” global government take over.
Medical health TYRANNY.
These government/Covid cult worshippers in their mindless acquiescence are walking examples of perfectly brainwashed COWARDS.
I don’t give a fuck who you know who has died due to this “virus” when the entire premise of this “pandemic” is rooted in falsehoods, that doesn’t mean the world has to stop to make you feel safe. And the fact anyone is happy to simply sit by and watch people’s lives completely fall apart just to avoid any confrontation or personal responsibility speaks to nothing more than sociopathy – the antithesis of altruistic “we’re in this together, care for the community” rhetoric.
The self deception is UNREAL. Precisely why the quest of inner work is so fundamentally important in this life from womb to tomb – people have no sense of identity to defend. They have no desire to grow up so are happy to be dictated to like adult toddlers by daddy government (their psychopathic narcissistic abuser) until their final vaccine and DEMAND everyone partake in their psychosis.
Insanity masquerading as normality.”
~by Dean Facey

407219 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to leggy, 11, #643 of 2062 🔗

LOL first picture I have seen of people wearing masks AND visors in a swimming pool. They really are crazy.

407227 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #644 of 2062 🔗

It’s too stupid for me to make a comment. 🤐

407228 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to leggy, 5, #645 of 2062 🔗

Loopy. What do they think chlorine is for?

407276 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jonathan Smith, #646 of 2062 🔗

The masks are to filter out that nasty gas.

407238 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to leggy, 5, #647 of 2062 🔗

Hahahahahaha! Look at them! Just look at them! Brilliant.

407262 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #648 of 2062 🔗

They should allow sane people in to poke these idiots with sticks, like they used to do in Bedlam.

407286 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #649 of 2062 🔗

There’s definitely a place for openly pointing and laughing.

407283 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to leggy, 7, #650 of 2062 🔗

Love that rant!

The pic is chilling. 20 years from now, will people see that and remember, in horror, the time when people got conned into wearing masks? Or will people see it and remember, in horror, that filthy, disease-ridden human brings were once allowed to TOUCH EACH OTHER?!

407302 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #651 of 2062 🔗

Reading Brave new world by Aldous Huxley at the moment; it’s frighteningly pertinent for a book which I believe was published in the early 30’s.

407314 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #652 of 2062 🔗

Try this one, by E. M. Forster, published in 1909. Written well before Brave New World and 1984, all three of them brilliant.

https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/the%20machine%20stops.pdf

DavidC

407321 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DavidC, 3, #653 of 2062 🔗

Thanks for that, Dave.

407336 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #654 of 2062 🔗

Thanks for your thanks! It’s a novella, under 30 pages, so doesn’t take too long at all to read.

DavidC

407295 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to leggy, #655 of 2062 🔗

JESUS CHRIST!!!
And I thought I’d seen it all.

407987 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to leggy, 1, #656 of 2062 🔗

As Ming the Merciless would say: “Pathetic earthlings!”

407206 Bella Donna, 7, #657 of 2062 🔗

You can suck it up or tell the government to GFY!

407222 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 9, #658 of 2062 🔗

Neil Oliver on Talk Radio now.

407292 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #659 of 2062 🔗

Hope he won’t be in the Tower of London tomorrow.
No, he is and always is brilliant.

407230 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 23, #660 of 2062 🔗

‘Mr Hancock is on record as saying that he will “stop at nothing” to suppress COVID-19. Yet, however admirable their objectives, ministers who will stop at nothing to achieve them are dangerous fanatics. There is always a point at which even the best of objectives is not worth achieving if the cost in terms of human wellbeing is too high.

This balance is fundamental to intelligent policy-making. The main charge to be levelled at the present Government is not that it has got the balance wrong. It is that it is not interested in balance at all. *It is not a natural tyrant*, but it believes, like every tyrant that ever lived, that the end justifies the means.’ (My emphasis)

– Sumption

Lord Sumption makes some good points, but if these sociopathic lunatics are not ‘natural tyrant[s]’, then they’ve taken to tyranny awfully well, embracing it with exhilaration, relish and ease.

407251 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #661 of 2062 🔗

I think Sumption probably had to put that in to stay on the right wide of the censors; he’s basically saying they’re acting like tyrants anyway.

407258 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mattghg, 1, #662 of 2062 🔗

Sumption is right, but we don’t need him to tell us that.

407270 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mattghg, 1, #663 of 2062 🔗

I suspect a great many people have underlying tyrant tendencies, they just need the right opportunity to nurture them. We only have to look at the fellow citizens who snitch on others for trying to hang on to some remnant of normal life and those who clamour for ever-tougher restrictions. Power is seductive.

407315 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Charlie Blue, #664 of 2062 🔗

‘Power corrupts…’ etc.

DavidC

407320 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Charlie Blue, #665 of 2062 🔗

I think it was Richard Littlejohn who said that if you give someone a bit of power, they will always ALWAYS abuse it.

407254 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #666 of 2062 🔗

The AIER piece highlighted yesterday makes a similar suggestion:

Modern politicians have to behave as autocrats even if they are deep down not, because all too many voters want them to. “Public servants” who refrain from such abuse of power are considered weak and even cruel by the very electorate on which they depend. A politician who believes in strict limitations of political power does not stand much chance to be kept in office given a hysterical, infantilized citizenry that wants protection from cradle to grave against all dangers, real and imagined. If subjects want to be enslaved and hence protected by you, and if the only way for you to be their ruler is their approval of you, then you have to behave as their slave-master. There is no real choice.

This is why so many governors, both Republican and Democrat, trashed all the protections offered by the US Constitution, shut down the whole society for months, prohibited people from working, walking, from going to the beaches, parks, schools, restaurants, all in the name of protecting them against the virus. It was not because they particularly enjoy playing petty tin-pot dictators (although some do), but because they don’t enjoy being blamed for the “failure of leadership.”

The Political Economy of Mass Panic

There’s undoubtedly some truth in it, but too many of our politicians – Hancock, Gove, Patel and many others – have exhibited the classic response of the authoritarian personality to dissent and “disobedience” – cracking down ever harder.

407275 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mark, 8, #667 of 2062 🔗

Dude, on behalf of the community, would you consider changing the profile pic? Masks are a weapon of mass suppression. We see enough of them in real life. Would be great to keep this community a mask-free zone…

407297 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #668 of 2062 🔗

Better? (Was going to do it later, but you seemed quite upset about it….)

407307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #669 of 2062 🔗

Hmm, not sure if it takes a while to update, but it’s showing the new image on my profile and the old one on the comments atm.

407421 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mark, #670 of 2062 🔗

Perfect! Was horribly attacked by a tall, aggressive policeman in a thick black mask on a train in October, demanding to know my reason for being exempt until I broke down sobbing uncontrollably so I’m suffering from PTSD. And have not stepped foot on a train since. Very grateful!

407596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #671 of 2062 🔗

NP.

Not looking to make anyone uncomfortable here, except by expressing my distressingly un-pc opinions, of course…

407323 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, 5, #672 of 2062 🔗

As you say, there’s undoubtedly some truth in this, but unfortunately it has it completely backwards and borders on the naive. The reason citizens are so hysterical and infantilised, the reason why they’re demanding protection from all dangers, is because *Government* (with help from media outlets) has put the wind up them by *first* acting hysterically themselves and *infantilising* the public. In reality, Government panic and hysteria is *antecedent* to public panic and hysteria.

407363 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnDanny, #673 of 2062 🔗

There’s definitely a strong feedback effect whereby popular panic and government responses reinforce each other. And the intentional pushing of fear by the state has been especially massive on the coronapanic. But as the article rightly points out, governments in the US sphere at least didn’t initiate it, it initially arose from other actors and features of human nature and society.

That’s certainly my recollection of events in the crucial Jan-March period here.

Remember that until the panic change occurred in late March the UK government was arguing for a Swedish-style conservative response, leading to natural herd immunity. That was hysterically shouted down as “eugenics”, “putting money ahead of lives”, etc and they lacked the courage to defend it.

407454 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Mark, #674 of 2062 🔗

Okay, I’ve skimmed the article (forgive me, I’m pressed for time) and I take back my ‘borders on the naive’ comment. I merely interacted with the two paragraphs you quoted, and I ought to have gone to the article for a wider context.

Yes, I understand that ‘experts’ were pumping out fear, and that, in America, the camera loving Fauci was ramping things up and playing things down when it suited, prancing around and preening himself in the process. And the media’s culpability is not in question.

I remember all too well Burt Rigby and other lunatic media types haranguing Johnson on a daily basis, but if you remember, contrary to popular opinion, Government did not do a ‘U-turn’. Johnson was already stoking the flames of fear by saying that ‘for now’ we will be performing some distancing, etc. It was clearly communicated as a ‘wait and see’ approach, and people were advised to stay/work from home if they could, and he consistently stressed that this may change. I’ll never forget Burt screeching, ‘Londoners are not listening, Prime Minister! They’re still in the pubs and taking the bus!’

Government was on a linear path, and it was clear that it was going to implement a lockdown. I believe the media gave it the ‘push’ it wanted.

Ultimately, taking on board the points made in the AIER article, the fear and panic came from the top (with ample help from the media and ‘experts’). The reason people are demanding ‘protection’ from Governments is because of the barrage of fear from Governments, media and ‘experts’. Ultimately it’s been a ‘top-down’ process.

407375 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #675 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I think that AIER piece is being both calculatedly bipartisan and unduly kind to the political class as a whole, possibly because of an attempt by its author(s) to align themselves with the post-Trump New Reality in the United States in which everything bad is being blamed on the Ancien Regime but things are going to be very different and so much nicer now, glad confident morning, Spirit of Petrograd, etc. Which hysteria is antecedent to which is an interesting point, though, which I notice Mark is developing below.

407456 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #676 of 2062 🔗

It’s also the belief that it’s the government that has to come and solve your problems. Because apparently that’s what we pay them for in taxes.

My parents have this view. They don’t see the government as a parasitical entity that is necessary in certain things but not to the size and scope it has now.

407481 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JohnDanny, #677 of 2062 🔗

Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?

407242 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 23, #678 of 2062 🔗

Sometimes I cheer myself up by looking at the comments on Hancocks twitter. You can barely find 1 in a hundred that is in anyway positive to his position. I really hope he reads them or his aid, it would be small beer with some cheer to find out he does.

407289 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Niborxof, 1, #679 of 2062 🔗

Glad somebody has the balls to go anywhere near that odious twat’s thinking.

407298 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Niborxof, 2, #680 of 2062 🔗

He needs to learn to read first. He probably asks someone from SAGE to read them to him.

407301 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Achilles, 2, #681 of 2062 🔗

Naughty but funny!

DavidC

407310 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Niborxof, 5, #682 of 2062 🔗

His minions wouldn’t allow him to see anything detrimental. They probably have orders not to allow him to see any stuff that would upset him and make that bottom lip quiver. Don’t want him losing confidence in himself, do we? Or he might realise that, actually, a PPE doesn’t stand for Personal Protective Equipment, and that he has no scientific or medical experience to give credence to his posturings, or to qualify him for the role of ”Secretary of State for Health”.

What a despicable little oik he is.

407261 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #683 of 2062 🔗

Not many pro-agenda, pro-narrative comments on the Daily mail articles today.

Seems to be that the “no holiday to the sun” ahs focussed what little minds people have and mnay are asking “so what is the point of the vaccine then?”

Hopefully government and SAGE hoisted by their own petard.

Was good to read and teh few agreeing with the narrative are very well written and articulate, not normal comments for a MSM online comments section if you know what I mean.

407300 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #684 of 2062 🔗

Reminds me of one of the main arguments of Remainers. ‘I won’t be able to go holiday in Europe any more’!

DavidC

407380 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #685 of 2062 🔗

Good
I want to deprive the collaborators of every one of their petty privileges as they have done to us since March 20

407272 BeBopRockSteady, 15, #686 of 2062 🔗

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-demand-for-vaccines-plummets-israel-may-resort-to-incentive-programs

You can be sure that the reports of people absolutely begging for the vaccine will follow as similar route in the UK. All the YoUgov polls will again be shown to be contrived. So where does it go then?

Well, we can follow Israel as the blueprint. Remember Zahawi mentioned that you might expect a visit from a vaccine champion to reassure you? Well, in Israel they may turn up at your work place as well…for added shaming of course. Both for you and your employer who should be able to control his workers of course.

Does this end in any way but violence? It’s total intrusion into the freedoms of individuals. Those who contemplate such actions are nothing else but sick.

407273 leggy, replying to leggy, 1, #687 of 2062 🔗

Someone posted a really good debunking of the bollocks behind variants recently – I failed to book mark it though! Would anyone have a link please?

407322 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to DavidC, 1, #689 of 2062 🔗

That was it – thanks!

407274 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #690 of 2062 🔗

In BMJ.Just published from one of the few surviving common sense public health physicians.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/02/09/allyson-pollock-testing-testing-for-sars-cov-2-in-asymptomatic-people/

When it comes to testing for covid-19, the fundamental tenets of public health have been set aside. Community testing has been divorced from health services, bypassing GPs, NHS labs, and public health departments. [4] Instead of rebuilding capacity in the public system, the government has funded a hugely expensive parallel edifice of fragmented private providers, with no previous experience. For over eight months, GPs were denied access to tests and results for their patients. [5] The tests themselves are being used outside their prescribed purpose, and manufacturers’ instructions, namely, “clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine infection status” are ignored.

Communicable disease know-how built up over a century and more has been ignored. Experts in public health and communicable disease control and on the UK National Screening Committee have been sidelined, and replaced by captains of industry, most notably the appointment of Dido Harding and outsourcing of testing and tracing to Serco, Deloitte, and Amazon.

 The uncertainties generated by the failure to follow the fundamental principles and establish the purpose of testing programmes including costs, benefits, and harms has created space for division. To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, the test of good science and evidence is seeing how people behave in a quarrel.

407290 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #691 of 2062 🔗

The key to the success the GP system is trust and individual responsibility for their people. Seems they’ve created a monster and undermined this

407525 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #692 of 2062 🔗

You’re right. I can hardly believe there wasn’t a concerted howl of protest from thousands of committed GPs on behalf of their patients.
They can’t all be timid and workshy – some must be disgusted at the situation. I thought ours might have been one. No such luck. He’s disappeared from front of stage, and is now behind the scenes.

407382 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #693 of 2062 🔗

The excellent Allyson Pollock – a real long-time advocate for proper science and public health.

Now think “Devi Sridhar”!

407284 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 19, #694 of 2062 🔗

More and more it seems that no matter what is said, or proved, or debunked, even by voices much more powerful than any here, or even in the higher echelons of medicine or science generally – the agenda will STILL be followed, and nothing said by any dissenter will make any difference. There will be no deviation from the prescribed narrative.
Because it’s not about a virus any longer – and somehow even that pretence is being quietly set aside.

Or am I being too pessimistic?

407311 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, 7, #695 of 2062 🔗

Just keep chipping away and eventually things will break through.

407291 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 9, #696 of 2062 🔗

Just a thought regarding vaccines and variants. One of the big problems with bacterial infections is antibiotic resistance. It was a known problem even the (many!) years ago I did my degree in Microbiology.

Basically, the antibiotic acts as a ‘selecter’ for mutations of the bacterium which aren’t killed by the antibiotic, i.e. resistant bacteria, and permits their growth over that of the killed ‘normal’ bacterium. Hence, as the resistant organisms flourish, new antibiotics have to be found. In other words, one ends up chasing one’s own tail, having to use, or produce, new antibiotics to keep up with the resistant bacteria and the use of antibiotics actually exacerbates a problem.

Viruses are different, obviously, but I would think that a similar situation exists where the use of a vaccine (if the Covid19 ‘vaccines’ really are that) effectively selects for variations or mutations (they’re not the same thing, strctly speaking) which are not affected. It’s more involved but it’s certainly one of the reasons for a different flu vaccine being required each year.

DavidC

407343 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DavidC, 2, #697 of 2062 🔗

If you deprive influenza of it’s natural reservoir then it will develop the means to get to it

407419 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Crystal Decanter, #698 of 2062 🔗

Viruses exist to exist, like every other form of life.

407353 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 2, #699 of 2062 🔗

I’ve seen that suggested elsewhere. And the conclusion in the eyes of our masters will surely be vaccines as well as permanent lockdowns.

407530 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DavidC, 3, #700 of 2062 🔗

But this situation isn’t about viruses any more, except in an academic sense. It’s about a vaccine and all the money to be made, which is why ‘they’ keep up the pressure on the Terminally Terrified.

(I had something in my junk box this morning inviting me to invest in pharmaceuticals because ”that’s where the money is right now – but hurry! it won’t last long!”. Wanna bet?)

407293 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #701 of 2062 🔗

If you don’t see the direction of travel then the new focus on variant strains while deaths and and infections decrease tell you everything you need to know. It’s lockdowns forever or until zero-Covid has been achieved.

407317 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 7, #702 of 2062 🔗

Zero covid will never be achieved. So that’s that. Unless we say otherwise en mass.

407352 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to leggy, 6, #703 of 2062 🔗

Yes. Just zero flu will never be achieved. Oh! Wait…

407324 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Achilles, 13, #704 of 2062 🔗

Zero Covid (or, more properly, zero SARS-CoV2) isn’t possible. It’s a respiratory virus.

That’s why Devi Sridhar is an idiot. She doesn’t know virology, she’s not a virologist (or even, indeed, a ‘proper’ scientist), leaving aside her ‘little girldom’ that was written about on Lockdown Sceptics a few days ago.

DavidC

407342 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to DavidC, 4, #705 of 2062 🔗

Whilst you are of course correct, they are perfectly capable of creating a reality where that can happen. It just takes manipulation of data, testing and the right propaganda.

407426 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DavidC, 5, #706 of 2062 🔗

Ms. Sridhar also has the most horrific Karen-voice I’ve ever heard.

407714 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to awildgoose, 2, #707 of 2062 🔗

God’s way of punishing those daft enough to listen to her. 🙂

407325 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Achilles, 11, #708 of 2062 🔗

They can spin ‘the Coronavirus’ out for ever if they wish; if they want variety, though, they might segue into ‘the Rhinovirus’ in a few years. By that time the minds of the believers will be so fogged by the totalitarian lying that they will accept any old shit, even as the regime leaders laugh openly on camera. To be fair, we have already reached that point. Two masks better than one…Fuck a duck.

407722 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ovis, 2, #709 of 2062 🔗

Recent SAGE advice does suggest that having intercourse with aquatic birds might reduce the chance of catching covid. Go for it, Ovis. 🙂

407333 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Achilles, 2, #710 of 2062 🔗

So when are we putting the foot down?

407344 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to norwegian, 4, #711 of 2062 🔗

The problem is we need a million feet, and even that wasn’t enough for the Iraq war.

407357 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Achilles, 6, #712 of 2062 🔗

I was there in the demos and as you say it didn’t help. Can’t give up though …

407364 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to norwegian, 2, #713 of 2062 🔗

Agreed.

407362 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Achilles, 4, #714 of 2062 🔗

Demos have outplayed their role, it might be time for more shall we say hard hitting actions …

408219 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Achilles, #715 of 2062 🔗

The great reopening will need every ounce of support we can give and at that time we should be able to muster a million feet and continue at that level or greater indefinitely.

407370 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Achilles, 15, #716 of 2062 🔗

Bring the system down
Start buying Gold/silver – keep it under the floorboards
Only leave as much in your bank account that you need for day to day

407371 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Achilles, 7, #717 of 2062 🔗

This ludicrous concept of ‘zero-covid’ can only be considered if the whole testing hoo-haa continues. In days gone by, when people stopped being ill it was assumed the virus had, to all intents and purposes, gone. But now we have testing and so when people stop getting ill, the only way a zero-covid policy can be taken forward is by testing.
We need to do all we can to encourage people to avoid getting tested, we need to encourage these pop-up test centres to close down.
Come on people of Britain, ‘you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows’ and you do not need to keep getting tested just to keep yourselves in bondage.

407563 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, #718 of 2062 🔗

Yes. Cases and deaths literally don’t matter any more. They barely mention the massive drop in positive tests. Vaccines don’t matter any more either. Variants can keep this going forever.

407304 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 53, #719 of 2062 🔗

Letter just sent to medical practice:

Dear Ms C*****,

I believe it was you who called me last week – someone from the surgery anyway. If not, sorry and please ignore this. The number came up as unknown so I was fully prepared for an unsolicited cold caller so if I sounded abrupt, I apologise.

However, if I am right, then you called to ask me to come in to have an experimental biological agent inoculated into my body following an anonymous letter in an NHS marked envelope containing these words: “Book your coronavirus (covid-19) vaccine appointments now”. The booklet accompanying the letter contained more errors than I would expect in a schoolboy essay and the tone “your vaccine” etc is of something I am ordered or expected to do, going completely against the Nuremburg code.

In the introduction to the code it says “The judgment by the war crimes tribunal at Nuremberg laid down 10 standards to which physicians must conform when carrying out experiments on human subjects in a new code that is now accepted worldwide”. I got this from the BMJ No 7070 Volume 313: Page 1448, 7 December 1996, for your reference. Your approach and tone is against this code.

I have recently had Mrs P***** telling me that, for the first time in my 9 decades on the planet, I am not to have an assigned doctor i.e. no personal relationship. I have also not been tested for or advised re: vitamin D levels. I see you mandating mask wearing when all evidence shows the dangers and now you have given up your independence and your hippocratic promises, doing what NHS managers require at the request of the government and pharmaceutical paymasters. This is simply disgraceful.

I would be obliged if you could pass this to all doctors as well as Mrs P*****. If you are unable to do that, please let me know. You will be aware that there are court cases pending all over Europe and the USA. This is not my style and I appreciate the stress you are under but the situation is totally against a rational public health policy.

407313 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bungle, 4, #720 of 2062 🔗

Very good – possible template for similar letters.

407319 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bungle, 7, #721 of 2062 🔗

A tad wordy for what is required
Whilst it is fun to go all Nuremberg all you really need to do is
1) remind them of their hippopotamus oath
2) if there are any agents present that may cause any allergic reactions then you must respectfully decline

407337 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #722 of 2062 🔗

I disagree, with respect. The Nuremberg Code exists, and no-one can directly rubbish it without openly self-declaring as a Nazi.

The hippopotamus oath doesn’t exist, as such. It is easy to dismiss reference to it it as ill-informed.

407383 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #723 of 2062 🔗

What is the “ hippopotamus oath”?

407682 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #725 of 2062 🔗

It is what the hippocratic oath became when obesity became a condition of getting an NHS job.

407470 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #726 of 2062 🔗

Mud, mud, glorious mud
Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood

407329 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Bungle, 6, #727 of 2062 🔗

Very good!

407360 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bungle, 7, #728 of 2062 🔗

Excellent Bungle do let us know what response you get and stick to your guns don’t let them persuade you otherwise. You could also refer them to the numerous reports of Drs advising against these vaccines on the internet. I trust you have seen these already?

407593 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bungle, 4, #729 of 2062 🔗

Really good stuff. I hope you have a reply from them. I’ve been feeling the same disquiet about my own doctor’s surgery. One of my relatives had FOUR calls from his surgery ”inviting” him to have the jab, even though he had been told to wait for two months after a medical procedure back in January. They hadn’t referred to his notes. He also received the NHS letter ”inviting” him to take the poison.

A family friend, who is 90 and quite fit, had the jab (with no reference to her medical history) and felt quite poorly, then had a fall – something that never happened before.

This coercion is despicable, as well as unlawful.

407330 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 16, #730 of 2062 🔗

Things are getting so bad I’m just wondering if any of those dinghies that the migrants arrived in are available for purchase anywhere?

Asking for a friend…

407341 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #731 of 2062 🔗

That was brilliant Ross, really made me laugh!

DavidC

407347 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #732 of 2062 🔗

I know where the compound is if you fancy a smash and grab!

407365 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ross Hendry, 5, #733 of 2062 🔗

Where to though?
France?? what a shithole
Faeroe Islands/Greenland?
At least the Dothraki won’t follow there

407331 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #734 of 2062 🔗

About the name change. I was Northumbrian nomad. But it’s time for a nom de guerre.

407351 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #735 of 2062 🔗

Death to the tyrant!

407356 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #736 of 2062 🔗

Precisely

407355 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #737 of 2062 🔗

Is your sabre sharpened?

407624 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to norwegian, #738 of 2062 🔗

Always

407703 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to norwegian, 1, #739 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps it is about time to begin hammering the ploughshares back into swords again.

407959 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Banjones, #740 of 2062 🔗

I believe it is.

407334 kh1485, 3, #741 of 2062 🔗

Apologies if already posted. One rule for them, another for us:

https://twitter.com/annaberu/status/1358038391980457988?s=24

407335 isobar, 2, #742 of 2062 🔗

Is Hand on cock an advisor to the Japanese Government?


Japan to discard millions of Pfizer vaccine doses because it has wrong syringes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/japan-pfizer-vaccine-doses-wrong-syringes

408010 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Jinks, #744 of 2062 🔗

This is an excellent article in highlighting the adverse reactions that you risk if you take the vaccine ,using the first set of official figures.

Sadly including several abortions, blindness and deaths.
It maybe that you consider the benefits outweigh the risks and if so you can give you informed consent to the vaccine .

Given the legal immunity for all the vaccine producers ,you have no redress if it you suffer an adverse reaction ,hence the importance of informed consent over uninformed consent and indeed coercion.

Worth reading in full as they say…

407350 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #745 of 2062 🔗

The Thai government has dropped plans to use the Chinese vaccine after it produced weak results in Brazil. “The Thai people will not be used as guineapigs,” says Prime Minister Chan-Ocha. Good job that high speed rail line from Laos to Bangkok isn’t finished yet. The PLA will have to invade by third class rust bucket.

407979 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #746 of 2062 🔗

How come everyone tests in Brazil? How little regard do they have for those people, or how desperate must they be to get paid for testing the snake oil?

407358 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #747 of 2062 🔗

How did Matt Hancock get the job and how does he keep it?

Maybe to do with his wife and her connections to royalty.

http://www.thepeerage.com/p48420.htm

Martha Harriet Alice Hoyer Millar was born on 17 December 1976. She is the daughter of Hon. Alastair James Harold Hoyer Millar and Virginia Margaret Diana Macauley.
Grandfather was Frederick Millar, 1st Baron Inchyra

His youngest daughter Dame Annabel Whitehead, was a Lady-in-Waiting to Princess Margaret and later to the Queen

Does that explain why he has ideas above his station?

407488 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #748 of 2062 🔗

It’s a big club, AG, and we ain’t in it.

407507 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 2, #749 of 2062 🔗

Looking at who is it I wouldn’t want to join.

407719 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, #750 of 2062 🔗

I’ve always thought it was ridiculous choosing a Secretary of State for Health someone who has no experience or qualification, either medical or scientific. (It might have been understandable if he’d had a smidgeon of charisma.)

Mind you, he’s really getting stuck into the role now, isn’t he? A case of ‘ ‘Yesterday I couldn’t even spell ”sekitary” and now I ARE one!”

407361 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 25, #751 of 2062 🔗

a strange observation about the many people I know who have gone down with a cold which some medic/test has labelled as the Wuflu. during their illness, they admit it’s not much more than a cold, and are mostly out of bed. then when it’s over suddenly their mind spins it into some horrendous illness, in which they were literally at death’s door…it really does remind me of the restaurant prankster in 2017 who served his guests cup-a-soup and £1 ready meals from Iceland and they were convinced it was the finest haute cuisine in London, just because trip adviser told them it was. thus proving that propaganda has more power over the human mind than lived experience or information from the senses

407736 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #752 of 2062 🔗

Goebbels, he say:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it……. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

So they’ve got to keep (most) people believing hat this virus is going to kill them or make them very ill indeed and that it’s coming to get them, personally. That done, the rest just falls into place.

407366 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 36, #753 of 2062 🔗

So 10 years for lying about returning from aboard if you are a British citizen.

However, if you arrive in a rubber dingy and lie about where you’ve come from, lie about your age, destroy any documentation pertaining to your identity and get sent to a 4 star hotel with the very real prospect of getting a free house, free health care, free education (if you say your under 18 (didn’t’t a 60 year old women pose as a teenager recently)), free money, free women (rape as many as you like) and if any body says anything to you which you don’t like have them locked up for hate speech.

No wonder the west is falling apart, the Chinese don’t stand for this crap.

407369 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Smelly Melly, -5, #754 of 2062 🔗

If that’s what you think the future of those arriving in a dingy is than you need a reality check …

407394 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to norwegian, 9, #755 of 2062 🔗

So they don’t get put up in 4 star hotels. They don’t get accommodation, they don’t get benefits and they don’t get health care. You are a prize twat.

407399 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #756 of 2062 🔗

You left out as many teens as you can rape

408118 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Crystal Decanter, #757 of 2062 🔗

lol its not just any newcomers that do that….there are plenty here already who could give any new ones lessons. When eventually caught they tend to get a lot less than 10 years too even if they have ganged raped for years.

407397 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to norwegian, 15, #758 of 2062 🔗

Given that what their immediate future should be is being deported at once back either to France or to their country of origin, without process, question or exception, clearly whatever they are getting is wrong.

Nobody arriving from the continent can have any legitimate claim to be a “refugee” (for whatever that’s worth these days) here, by definition.

407794 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to norwegian, #759 of 2062 🔗

yes, they will share our future: death within 5 years by lethal injection. alternatively, the gulag.

407403 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, -4, #760 of 2062 🔗

Well – that barmy rant is a great asset to 77th Brigade!

Congratulations from HMG.

407474 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #761 of 2062 🔗

Usual response to a political opinion you hate. Unable to engage and unwilling to ignore and tolerate, you resort to abuse.

407484 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 3, #762 of 2062 🔗

Are my friends cowed by a (posh) hotel full of Somalis on their street barmy, Rick ?

407506 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to JohnB, #763 of 2062 🔗

Why would they be cowed?

407584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Achilles, 2, #764 of 2062 🔗

The kind of question, frankly, that implies an almost complete lack of experience of the menacing reality for ordinary folk of surly outsider youths and obviously different strangers gathered in one place against their will.

408130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #765 of 2062 🔗

They never will realise until they see it for themselves. Its a kind of blindness as it goes against ideology.

408122 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JohnB, 1, #766 of 2062 🔗

Maybe he should volunteer for them to be on his road lol.

407368 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #767 of 2062 🔗

Never understood that anyone having had C-19 needed vaccine. Yesterday, published article showing natural immunity to infection was superior to any vaccine induced immunity. Is that really surprising? It should be self-evident. In the below article they vaccinated earlier persons infected with C-19 with 2 doses. First dose good response but second dose lousy response (compared to naïve non immune persons). Can anyone explain why?
 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.07.21251311v1?rss=1%22 Poor antigen-specific responses to the second BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine dose in SARS-CoV-2-experienced individuals
In individuals naive to SARS-CoV-2, we observed robust increases in humoral and antigen-specific antibody-secreting cell (ASC) responses following each dose of vaccine, whereas individuals with prior exposure to SARS-CoV-2 demonstrated strong humoral and antigen-specific ASC responses responses to the first dose but muted responses to the second dose of the vaccine for the time points studied. These data highlight an important gap in our knowledge and may have major implications for how these vaccines should be used to prevent COVID-19.

407372 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 9, #768 of 2062 🔗

Again – we have a basic problem with the knowledge base, which is partly the result of the mess that has been made of the whole scientific landscape as a result of the political cart leading the parade, and requiring the data to fit a narrative.

407391 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 7, #769 of 2062 🔗

T-cells are fake news
Piers Morgan said so

407373 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 21, #770 of 2062 🔗

Anecdotal but… a colleague mentioned that a relative who is an NHS Administrator was complaining about significant numbers of vaccine no-shows leading to them having to chuck out quite a few doses at the end of the day. Now the 75+ age group has largely been done I think they are going to find it a lot harder to get large percentages of 70-74 and even more so the younger age groups who are not yet feeling their age and so not as concerned enough to take the risk and hassle of going for a jab.

407376 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #771 of 2062 🔗

One can hope but when observering people I think they’re more like “What took you so long, I wanted my jab yesterday?” …

407386 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 11, #772 of 2062 🔗

Who in their right mind would have experimental liquid injected into their bodies.99.something survival rate for most people I ride a motorcycle and sometimes pissed up, wish I had a 99.whatever survival rate…

407433 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #773 of 2062 🔗

Lots of sheeple unfortunately. Just sat through a Skype call with my boss where she jokingly suggested she was going to stick her arm in front of her mothers (70’s) for her jab when she takes her for it later in the week. I gave up talking to these people about covid months ago, they are well and truly lost to the indoctrination.

407447 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Mike, 3, #774 of 2062 🔗

Well let’s hope she does not live to regret it…

407495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #775 of 2062 🔗

Does not live, or does not regret it?

407478 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mike, 3, #776 of 2062 🔗

Yep there’s no point in engaging. They would have been first in line for the Kool Aid at Jonestown.

407633 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #777 of 2062 🔗

the trick with younger people is going to be playing on the yearning to get their liberties back – to go on holiday, travel, socialise, etc

407374 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 18, #778 of 2062 🔗

Just had a phone call of my surgery. Considering that I am 58 and Wales is supposed to be lagging behind in administration, they must have run out of 60 year olds willing to be part of the experiment.

Suffice to say their enqiiry as to whether I was interested in partaking was met with a swift “not particularly”. Theh have shown me as declined, although I said nothing of the sort. I’ll see if they phone again first.

407377 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #779 of 2062 🔗

The right answer is NO!

407378 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #780 of 2062 🔗

I’m 65 and live in Wales and haven’t had the call yet.

407379 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #781 of 2062 🔗

My surgery also told me they’d put me down as “declined”. I felt like saying that they could put me down as whatever they liked but I didn’t.

407384 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #782 of 2062 🔗

Never outright decline the vaccine – just politely refuse until liability for any damages is restored

407531 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #783 of 2062 🔗

Why?

407389 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #784 of 2062 🔗

What I want to understand is if you get a call saying come for the so called vaccine and you decline, what will happen next. Will you get a big black mark against you so you cannot get travel insurance, refused medical treatment, unable to go into gym/cinema/theatre etc?

I just want to know what the ramifications are as I understand saying give it to somebody more deserving is a decline.

407402 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #785 of 2062 🔗

Considering that I have not authorised my medical and personal data to be shared with anyone outside of the medical profession, I wouldbe very disturbed should any other otganisation be aware of that information.

407430 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #786 of 2062 🔗

I’d block the number of the surgery. I have all calls blocked on my phone other than people on my contacts list. Ignore all letters as well and they’ll eventually give up. I think people who are on a list as having refused the vaccine will end up being pestered more.

407612 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to fiery, 4, #787 of 2062 🔗

just say you’ll be there and then don’t turn up. do this repeatedly. it has the added benefit of sabotaging their system

407469 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richy_m_99, #788 of 2062 🔗

Theh have shown me as declined, although I said nothing of the sort.

Against the GDPR, no ? If you have the time and the inclination, you could ask them to correct this.

 (Hopefully, their system won’t have enough boxes, and meltdown might occur. 🙂 ).

407645 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #789 of 2062 🔗

We’ve had the ‘call’. Husband 71 and I am 68 but have health issues. I politely said ‘No thanks’ and hung up. We were also rung and offered the flu vaccine AGAIN! I have it on my notes that I do not accept vaccinations but still they ring.

407381 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 37, #790 of 2062 🔗

Very weak again from the CRG:

moving the goalposts risks never going back to normal, never reopening the economy, with a cost to people’s lives and livelihoods that simply isn’t acceptable in a free society

The UK ceased to be a free society on 23rd March 2020. When are these useless idiots going to get their heads around the fact that our battle is not to preserve our freedoms, but to regain them – by any means necessary – from an executive branch of government that is completely out of control?

407388 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard O, 15, #791 of 2062 🔗

The UK ceased to be a free society on 23rd March 2020

The fundamental truth that sceptics seeking to maintain “respectability” and to search for “compromise” need to take on board.

The issue is not whether this or that policy is acceptable. The issue is can we return to being a free society before it is too late.

407428 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 10, #792 of 2062 🔗

I’d say freedom ended at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 with the introduction of the first piece of “coronavirus” legislation without Parliamentary oversight or debate and that is now revoked.

This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument.

407441 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #793 of 2062 🔗

yeap and we won’t be getting to back again, ever

407464 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to smithey, 2, #794 of 2062 🔗

People like you kept telling me Liverpool would never win the league again. With our thoughts, we make the world.

407561 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 1, #795 of 2062 🔗

And with a net half a billion pounds in transfer outlay between championships, plus colossal wages, of course. Let’s not be hypocritical and confine such criticism to certain other big clubs, eh…?

(Someone downvoted your comment, but it wasn’t me, by the way)

408810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #796 of 2062 🔗

I criticise all other clubs without fear or favour, Mark. 🙂

407445 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #797 of 2062 🔗

Good call, this is the key turning point that needs to be laid down in the historical record. The UK’s Enabling Act in every sense, except they didn’t need a fire to justify it, only the threat of a respiratory virus.

407504 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 2, #798 of 2062 🔗

This piece of legislation required a statement of “serious and imminent threat” by the Chief Medical Officer to justify any measures to be taken.

Rather prophetically there was an unannounced and totally unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland on this very subject. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

Not exactly scary is it?

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

407444 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Richard O, 10, #799 of 2062 🔗

When you have citizens begging for a government to allow them to do even the most basic of things such as seeing dying relatives you know that the government no longer represents the people.

407491 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #800 of 2062 🔗

It does, if the people are zombies begging to be enslaved.

408308 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, #801 of 2062 🔗

lol Annie great reply.

407385 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #802 of 2062 🔗

Someone mentioned below that if you give someone power they will abuse it. Well i didn’t for a second think that the push by the unions to ruin kids schooling was based on any real concern for safety and even less so robust science. However, they got their leverage and you can de damm sure they’ll use it now, to hell with the consequences.

Griftopia is here to stay

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9244275/School-catch-plan-thrown-doubt-union-makes-pay-demand.html

407392 ▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #803 of 2062 🔗

Well in fairness, once you start using the magic money tree as carelessly as this, laughably mis-described, “Conservative” government has been, why shouldn’t everyone grab for as much as they can get? After all, it’s “free money” anyway.

407540 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #805 of 2062 🔗

This is non-news surely? It’s a steroid. Didn’t Hancock himself personally discover the healing power of steroids back in the Autumn?

407390 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #806 of 2062 🔗

For anyone who rightly has concerns about the current ‘vaccines’ available but, for whatever reason, would like to be vaccinated – just wait – there is a nasal spray vaccine in trials – CoviVac – that chucks a tiny bit of live-attenuated virus up your nose and allows your immune system (if it does not already have the knowledge) something to play and learn with safely. I think this one is actually a vaccine – its seems to be a single dose and no nasty reaction defence against covid and vaccine passports.

can anyone confirm if my layperson assumptions are correct?

407409 ▶▶ John001, replying to Major Panic, 2, #807 of 2062 🔗

It might be good also to post your question on Dr Kendrick’s blog.

407466 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John001, 1, #808 of 2062 🔗

done

407425 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 2, #809 of 2062 🔗

It is probably one of the corona colds so will work better than the frankenjab
Still not taking it

407450 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #810 of 2062 🔗

There was a person postedthe other day who said he is only taking the jab so can visits kids & grandkids who live in Alps.

my mother has not taken the jab as i persuaded her to ‘wait and see’ – well this could be her solution.

I’d take this nasal spray just for travel purposes if some countries demand proof of vaccination – i just can’t see what safety issues there are with this one – but please let me know if there is.

407532 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 3, #811 of 2062 🔗

There could still be all kinds of wotnot in a spray
as someone who has taken a fair few chemicals nasally (ahem) can be just as potent

407657 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, 1, #812 of 2062 🔗

There was a person postedthe other day who said he is only taking the jab so can visits kids & grandkids who live in Alps.

No rush. Wait and see then only decide what to do if these requirements are implemented.

408821 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Major Panic, #813 of 2062 🔗

The blood vessels in the sinuses are close to the brain. In fact the olfactory nerves in the sinuses pass directly to the brain. If you want the immune reaction from the vaccine to take place in close proximity to your brain go ahead

The olfactory nerve is responsible for your sense of smell and partially responsible for your sense of taste. It is also known as cranial nerve 1 because it is the shortest of the cranial nerves and one of only two nerves (the other is the optic nerve) that bypass the brain stem and connect directly to your brain.

407436 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Major Panic, 1, #814 of 2062 🔗

I fear that’s what they will want to use on little kids like the current flu one is a nasal spray.

407443 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #815 of 2062 🔗

and people who have blood clotting problems or a fear of needles, i might have on and I’ve definitely got the other…

407536 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 3, #816 of 2062 🔗

If it really is live attenuated virus, it is a much more traditional form of vaccine, so I would welcome it for the elderly and those otherwise at risk, much like the flu vaccine. Not so much for the general population however.

407567 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 2, #817 of 2062 🔗

When did the developers of CoviVac isolate and culture the virus?

408310 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Major Panic, #819 of 2062 🔗

Sounds a bit like the ‘first defence’ over the counter medicine. I use it to ward off colds if I start to feel shit and it often seems to work but you have to be quick!

407393 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 5, #820 of 2062 🔗

Wake up call (Danish documentary in English)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEsjvkIJlZs

407401 ▶▶ isobar, replying to norwegian, 4, #821 of 2062 🔗

Terrific – a must watch!!

407413 ▶▶ Mark, replying to norwegian, 6, #822 of 2062 🔗

Interesting. Not clear what the wider positions of this “World Freedom Alliance” are, but obviously strongly anti-lockdown and anti-mask, and clearly lots of energy. Good enough for me.

407457 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #823 of 2062 🔗
407586 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to norwegian, #824 of 2062 🔗

But they lost – The Danes were the first to bring in vaxx passports.

407901 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, #825 of 2062 🔗

Well, maybe the Danes will be the first to throw them away..

407396 TJN, replying to TJN, 32, #826 of 2062 🔗

Been into the nearest city centre this morning – a rare occurrence nowadays. Nothing worth going in there for, except to get to a bank.

While walking through a shopping arcade I was separately challenged by two security guards about lack of muzzle. Each said that no mask meant you had to wear a lanyard. I replied that this was not correct, and there was no obligation to wear anything, and that this came from the government. They said no, that this was private property – with the implication that they could make their own rules. The similarity between the two encounters was such that it’s clear they’d been briefed by their management on exactly what to say, and to get confrontational about it.

I got pretty short with the second one, saying that he needed to familiarise himself with the rules, to which he said he had, to which I replied in no uncertain tone that he had not. There was hardly anyone about, the tumbleweed blowing around. But out of the corner of my eye I could see a middle-aged muzzled couple, stopped in horror, as if I was about to detonate a suicide belt or something. Of course, I’m not dealing with them, but I’m clocking that they’re fucked in the mind, and swathes of people like them will maybe never be able to enter normal society again.

One of the Costas, where there’s plenty of public seating outside, has always been a favourite of Big Issue sellers and the like. Each time I get into town they are still congregated around the same spot, chatting, joking and swapping stories. I guess they haven’t got much else nowadays. After I got my stuff done in the bank I was intending to say hello and ask how things were going. But when I got back they had gone – I guess the Stasi must have moved them on.

Elsewhere there was a busker sat on the pavement strumming a guitar, in the freezing cold and wind. Behind the unkempt beard, heavy coat and mass of clothes he looked semi down-and-out. I threw him dime and said how nice it was to see a face and someone bringing some life to the centre. He looked up and said thank you. His smile was genuine.

They think they’re so clever,

they think they’re so right.

But the truth is only known

by guttersnips.

The Clash, ‘Garrageband’

407404 ▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 14, #827 of 2062 🔗

Well done for carrying the freedom flag.

In the end, though, the only way to stop this creeping intolerance is to threaten the owners with lawsuits for discrimination, so that they stamp on such behaviour by their lackeys.

407717 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 1, #828 of 2062 🔗

Stupid thing is, there are scores of shops in there – and only two open. A Boots, and M&S. Boots are closing stores elsewhere nearby, and M&S you can get into via a it’s main entrance on an outside street. In short, with the high street collapsing no one needs the arcade – those goons will be out of a job.

408314 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TJN, 1, #829 of 2062 🔗

Businesses busy digging their own graves…but they would rather do that than offer any resistance. the British business class are as spineless as jellyfish.

407406 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TJN, 18, #830 of 2062 🔗

I’m clocking that they’re fucked in the mind, and swathes of people like them will maybe never be able to enter normal society again

Beautifully put. This is one of the consequences of the relentless barrage of fear porn that will take the longest to recover from. The government and MSM have created a population that is profoundly mentally ill. Way to go fuckheads.

Great work on putting those jumped up security guard pricks in their place as well. These are the absolute scum of the earth, I have more hatred for the likes of them then I do for anyone in government.

407589 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 6, #831 of 2062 🔗

I just spoke to an old friend who has her vaccine appointment booked and I tried to persuade her to delay it. She listened to me patiently, and even said she would google ‘ADE’, [‘don’t bother sending me videos, I haven’t got the patience to watch them’ – although needless to say she watches msm ‘news’] but then she said, ‘even if what you say is right, I don’t think I could live with the anxiety if I don’t have the vaccine, I can’t live with this anxiety much longer’. Fucking evil bastards, what they have done.

407617 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #832 of 2062 🔗

To me, it’s exactly the opposite – if I was forced to have the vaccine, I’d suffer intolerable anxiety, waiting for possible side effects.

407716 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alice, #833 of 2062 🔗

Exactly. And an awful lot of those who succumb to the poison will be of a nervous disposition. As news of side effects seeps out they’ll be sitting around worried to death as to whether they’re next.

Narcolepsy anyone? Every time you feel a bit tired, is this the start of it? ADE – better never get another flu …

407865 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Alice, #834 of 2062 🔗

Exactly.

The devil you don’t know.

407694 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JaneHarry, #835 of 2062 🔗

Yup, total mindfuck. Evil.

407704 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 2, #836 of 2062 🔗

Yes, ‘Way to go fuckheads’. All the way down.

But there’s a flipside to that – maybe I’m done in the head too. Thing is, I’ll never be able to look at my fellow citizens in the same light again. When the chips were down, they simply didn’t turn up – went along with evil. I’ll find that hard to forget. Where does that leave me?

For me the security guards are just useful idiots – to be pitied rather that despised. My hatred for our politicians far, far outweighs any feelings about a rather dumb pretend-policeman.

408318 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TJN, 1, #837 of 2062 🔗

That is one of the major problems of this…its going to be hard to see fellow citizens as anything other than gutless compliants…or even worse in some cases. I was never a great ‘people person’ anyway….I much prefer cats and dogs…..but I will have nothing but contempt for most people after this. I know they will never be on my side when the chips are down and thats not a great feeling.

407422 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 5, #838 of 2062 🔗

Unfortunately he is correct – on private property they can set any rules that they want for entry as long as it is not discriminatory and applies to everybody regardless.

It’s the same as nightclubs or pubs setting dress codes or age entry codes – when they were open that is.

But good for you standing up to them anyway.

407460 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #839 of 2062 🔗

Well yes and no. Refusing entry to somebody specifically due a disability is what they are doing. Yes they refuse entry to everyone, but if you clearly claim exemption and not just refusing a mask, then they cannot legally dictate you don a badge to show that disability as that would indeed be discrimination.

407498 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to danny, 1, #840 of 2062 🔗

The relevant legislation only metions specific places that face coverings and the exemptions are “legal” so to speak.

Property and businesses not on the list? Then they can set whatever entry requirements they want including asking you to prove an “exemption”.

E.G. – offices, warehouses etc are not in the legislation so face coverings are not required but the businesses are insisting staff and visitors wear masks etc and it is up to the individual business if they let you in or work there or not of you do not comply with their entry requirements.

407538 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #841 of 2062 🔗

If this private property provides a services to the general popoulation they they must abide by the disabilities and equality act. Simple.

407623 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andrew K, #842 of 2062 🔗

Yes they do but you still have to prove you are disabled if asked.

There is no exemptions list or statements about who can ask you, what they can ask you or what you are required to answer in that legislation as there is in the face coverings in a relevant place legislation.

This is the confusion – too many bits of complicated and badly written rushed statutory instrument legislation being muddied together to make a huge big can of worms when they come into contact with acts of parliament.

Also a company can refuse service on the grounds that it is not safe for you to be on their premises etc as they cannot fulfill their duty of care and you may be put at risk if they allow you access etc.

They have an option to do something else – such as the “no mask, wait outside and we’ll come to you” option or when I ran a pub that did not have a disabled ramp they the (one regular) hweelchair user would call us and we’d carry him and his chair in.

I know this is true as I had a run in with the council about it and won as their ramp option would have cost £25000 pounds and bankrupted the business so was not “reasonable” and that is all a company has to do, take “reasonable steps”,

Bankruptcy is not reasonable, assisting the person in in a manner they were comfortable and happy with was.

408359 ▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, #843 of 2062 🔗

i think most malls although private are in fact either public thorough fares or access to he shops so I think that they would fall under the shops legislations. They rely on the public accessing freely there is no membership and generally there are no notices posted indicating any sort of rules at the entrance.

407688 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #844 of 2062 🔗

Yes – do wonder as to the extend that it’s private property though. The bit I was going through is essentially a thoroughfare, and the route predated the arcade for decades and probably forever.

I’m going to write to them, just to clarify things, to flush them out as it were.

407708 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 1, #845 of 2062 🔗

Have fun, let us know how you get on.

408045 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, #846 of 2062 🔗

Dropped them a line.

Another point – the arcade is actually a thoroughfare avoiding a lengthy walk, as was for time immemorial before it was built. I wonder if there’s a right of way issue there too.

407461 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TJN, 2, #847 of 2062 🔗

All over, people changing their votes
Along with their overcoats-
If Adolf Hitler flew in today,
They’d send a limousine anyway

407669 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #848 of 2062 🔗

Good one! A great Clash quote entirely apposite today. Who knew that one day we ‘sceptics’, as we now are, would feel like ‘the white man in the Palais’.

My favourite was always ‘Complete Control’ – absolutely loved that record back in the day, and the theme. Funny how it’s come to the centre of our existences alll these years later. Do you remember the cover – the four unadorned loudspeakers? For me the last bit of the song remains sublime – been watching this live version a lot lately, which starts at the break ‘I don’t trust you …’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lkfRv1s04M

‘This is Joe public speaking/I’m contolled in the body, I’m controlled in the mind’.

 How those lyrics stuck me back then, and even more now. Very poignant, and for me today very moving, and that swirling circling guitar, as they seem to sum up what we’re up against.

407817 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TJN, #849 of 2062 🔗

Yeah, doesn’t everybody remember where they were when they first heard “White Man”? I was writing up some lecture notes and listening to “The Great Easton Express” on Radio City. He played it with no introduction and I cranked the volume up immediately. At the end, Phil Easton, late and much missed, allowed three or four seconds of radio silence, quietly said “I think I and I get the message” and moved straight on to the next record. No further comment was needed.
And yes, I fucking love “Complete Control”. As Bob Dylan said to Michael Jones on the so-called Royal Albert Hall album, play fucking loud .

407890 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #850 of 2062 🔗

Judas!
I don’t believe you …. You’re a liar …. play fucking load

Wonderful!

My take on that last song is that after the second half of the concert winding up the audience, he then messes with the band – sings it slow, so the band is having to hold back to stay with him. Creates an incredible tension.

The whole concert is a magnificent example in how to go against the mob.

407515 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TJN, 1, #851 of 2062 🔗

Just get a Zorro mask and wear it
if they don’t specify over nose/mouth – sorted

407730 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Crystal Decanter, #852 of 2062 🔗

I sometimes wish Bruce Reynolds and the Bros were nearby so I could borrow the famous WW2 gas mask.

I do have a black balaclava though.

407405 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #853 of 2062 🔗

Am I becoming insensitive? Another headline from the local paper that I find difficult to relate to ( not sure what emotion it actually triggers)
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/tributes-american-football-coach-dies-4986822

407429 ▶▶ smithey, replying to p02099003, 6, #854 of 2062 🔗

It’s a tragedy. We need to imprison people permanently in their homes, destroy livelihoods and stitch masks to their faces. No one must ever die of anything and to ensure that happens any form of enjoyment, happiness or prosperity has to be stamped out of life.

407439 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to p02099003, 6, #855 of 2062 🔗

The photograph – if it really is of him – suggests that he was definitely somewhat (how to put this delicately?) overweight.

If our government really cared about saving lives there would be an ongoing campaign to get everyone fit. Improve our diets and reduce stress along with cleaning up the toxins in our environment.

Instead we are told to stay at home and eat up all the long life processed foods in order to prevent too many trips to the supermarket.

407521 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Puddleglum, 1, #856 of 2062 🔗

They could have promoted more competitive sport in schools but instead somebody thought it was a good idea to discourage competition even going so far as saying pass the parcel and musical chairs are a bad idea.

408275 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, #857 of 2062 🔗

“he was put into a coma and then sadly died within about 24 hours arriving”
Mechanically ventilated to death

407407 isobar, replying to isobar, 19, #858 of 2062 🔗

Lying Bastards!

“Grant Shapps says vaccine passports COULD happen after talks with US officials over ‘internationally recognised system’ despite No10 ruling them out – as airlines’ boss reveals ‘fruitful’ talks about an app for travellers that could be ready by APRIL”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9244985/Grant-Shapps-says-vaccine-passports-happen-talks-despite-No10-ruling-out.html

407410 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to isobar, 8, #859 of 2062 🔗

You’ll become a number in the government database! Easy to control!

407666 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheClone, #860 of 2062 🔗

You already are! What do you think your NI and NHS numbers are?

407412 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 25, #861 of 2062 🔗

If the government says that there are no plans for vaccine passports, then we know for certain that the opposite is true. Sadly this golden rule does not apply in the inverse situation.

The digital immunity passport, in tandem with a social credit score system, is one of the pots of gold at the end of the Covid rainbow that have underpinned the entire operation.

407416 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 27, #862 of 2062 🔗

They are piling all this on using NLP tactics. Just like the letter saying to book an appointment for “your vaccine” is nudging you towards accepting it. These vaccine “passports” will most likely never been a legal requirement, but they are going to put the idea out there to get as many as possible to take the vaccine now (which they shouldn’t do). I expect the government are getting advice from the “nudge unit” to do all of this.

Destabilisation like this is a common tactic in narcissistic abuse. It’s very effective and they know that.

407418 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to this is my username, 9, #863 of 2062 🔗

Well when the rule of law has been suspended, and the law is whatever the state decides it is from day to day, legal requirements are not what we used to understand them to be.

407435 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to this is my username, 9, #864 of 2062 🔗

This is one of the reasons I religiously went through the regular passport channel at airports, instead of the digital scanner ones. It is NOT a legal requirement to be scanned. Push back whenever and wherever you can before they dehumanise and digitise is all!

407686 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to this is my username, 1, #865 of 2062 🔗

YES. Do not fall for this propaganda

407423 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to isobar, 8, #866 of 2062 🔗

Be interseting to see how this pans out.

Dolores Cahill – Freedom Airways – An airline that respects our Human Rights
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lfgPYGSuWpov/

407438 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jonny S., 4, #867 of 2062 🔗

Nice idea
Just like the USA Constitution

407458 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Jonny S., #868 of 2062 🔗

Most people flying for fun will soon be a thing of the past and not because of Covid-1984 (it’s the lack of cheap energy, stupid) …

407604 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jonny S., 1, #869 of 2062 🔗

I wish Dolores Cahill every success, but it seems to me that they wouldn’t be allowed to land anywhere, on the grounds of public health.

407513 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to isobar, #870 of 2062 🔗

If the US says it will be a requirement for any UK/US trade deal then the British reps will be going commando for all subsequent meetings.

407415 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #871 of 2062 🔗

11am

Press release

The first Minister is pleased to announce plans for Scotland to land a man on the Moon in June 2022

A spokesperson said “This is a triumph for Scottish independence which was granted in March 2020. The man will deposit a haggis, a deep fried Mars Bar and an album of Moira Anderson’s greatest hits for future generations to discover

The rocket will be utilising Scotland’s new UltraGreen technology
and will be fueled by fat rendered from the body of Alec Salmond (no he doesn’t know yet)

We dismiss as pure speculation rumours circulating on social media that all the windows in the houses of Scotland will have to be removed and sold to pay for the project

11.15

Press release

The English Dictatorship announces Operation Moonshot

A smiling Ted Bundy announced

“Our rocket will land on the Moon in May 2022. It will be piloted by a transgender police officer and we intend to punch the fuck out of anyone we find up there

11.30

Press release

The Rapists Dad announces he intends to recycle one of the 50 year old carriages that now adorn the railway lines of Wales for their Project Moon

Entirely fueled by yogurt it is planned new science will eventually allow the rocket to fall back to earth disguised as goats cheese

11.45

Press release

Northern Ireland announces it has no plans for a space mission

A spokesperson announced ‘We have our own travel project and we are spending more than all the other governments put together to achieve our goal

Our plan is get a pack of frozen beef from Belfast to Holly Head by mid 2027 although we accept that this time frame may slip

407431 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 3, #872 of 2062 🔗

Fine by me as long as they are the B Arks.

407508 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #873 of 2062 🔗

Keep going Cecil – you really cheered me up. So much so that I want to have your babies..

408049 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to godowneasy, #874 of 2062 🔗

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, I’m afraid it’s too late for all that

407568 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 3, #875 of 2062 🔗

But in secret, the Irish are planning to send a beef-fuelled rocket to the sun, going at night to avoid excessive heat.

407424 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #876 of 2062 🔗

Robert Dingwall has done an interview with Unlocked. It’s a very balanced view on why Zero covid isn’t a good idea and most of what he says on the overall picture reflects my general view on all of this.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1gqGvoZWOoqJB?t=16m59s

407452 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #877 of 2062 🔗

I don’t need to see an interview with someone to get that!

407522 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #878 of 2062 🔗

We can only hope (and I know this is evil) that NZ and Australia end up spending the entirety of their winter in snap lockdowns as cases pop up everywhere. That might, just might, put paid to the Zero Covid idea.

407606 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #879 of 2062 🔗

I just want to see horse face with an egg on it

407880 ▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to A. Contrarian, #880 of 2062 🔗

Not evil just very, very likely to happen. When I heard them crowing at Christmas about having defeated Covid I thought hmm, December down under is summertime, when respiratory viruses tend to fade away. I have put a reminder in my diary to see how they are doing when their autumn (early March) arrives. This going to be very interesting.

407434 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #881 of 2062 🔗

Here’s a lovely piece of propaganda, with no end of shame. Don’t click if you’ve got blood pressure issues….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD7e8mJJv6o&feature=emb_logo

407448 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #882 of 2062 🔗

Me so gullible, thumbs up, all 10 of them!

407520 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #883 of 2062 🔗

The only surprise is that hollywood could be made even more hateful.

407437 right2question, 1, #884 of 2062 🔗

https://upvir.al/ref/ic52770414 sign up to watch c vacs revealed 9 part docuseries by the v revealed team. first episode is showing now and up for another 13 hours

407459 smithey, replying to smithey, 12, #885 of 2062 🔗

I hope people remember how badly the government have treated us when the next general election comes around (if we are ever allowed to vote again that is)

407468 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smithey, 10, #886 of 2062 🔗

You’ve answered your own question. If this goes all the way the word “election” will not be found in any dictionary within a few years.

407577 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 2, #887 of 2062 🔗

The Time magazine article about the US election confirms elections are over.

407601 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to awildgoose, 1, #888 of 2062 🔗

The most shocking mass-circulation article I have ever read.

407674 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #889 of 2062 🔗

Deep State Bolsheviks flexing their power over the masses.

407792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to awildgoose, #890 of 2062 🔗

Blatantly, nakedly, openly.

407465 ConstantBees, 1, #891 of 2062 🔗

You might enjoy this song by Ben Irvine. https://youtu.be/csLsGqRClk4

Not the best recording, but the lyrics appear in the description.

It’s called “Everybody’s Gone Mad”, and yes, it is about the covid zombies.

407467 isobar, replying to isobar, 30, #892 of 2062 🔗

St. Ferguson has spoken – face masks and social distancing would likely be in place all year
“Britain locked down ‘too late’ in autumn and ministers should have ‘learned the lessons properly from the first wave’, Professor Neil Ferguson says”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9244711/Britain-locked-late-autumn-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-says.html

Why are people still listening to this twat?

407472 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 13, #893 of 2062 🔗

This is a non-statement from Ferguson. Masks and distancing are forever, that has been crystal clear since day one.

407479 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 5, #894 of 2062 🔗

Sadly I think that you are right, we are all seen as drones now

407475 ▶▶ danny, replying to isobar, 8, #895 of 2062 🔗

Who keeps giving this discredited and disgraced conspiracy theorist a media platform?

407486 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to danny, 6, #896 of 2062 🔗

I ask myself the same question – can only be because he is a ‘Gates Mate’

407477 ▶▶ smithey, replying to isobar, 12, #897 of 2062 🔗

If only the government and media would learn lessons and not listen to a thing that Ferguson says. He has been wrong about everything he has ever pronounced on.

407516 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 16, #898 of 2062 🔗

Honestly what does the utter knobhead think would have happened if we’d locked down in September? Covid would have magically disappeared by Christmas? No, we just would have had Lockdown 3 in Nov/Dec and would now be onto Lockdown 4.

407543 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to isobar, 4, #899 of 2062 🔗

He’s forgotten his own model. His model was primarily about the risk of exceeding NHS critical care bed availability. That didn’t happen this winter so by definition (if you assume lockdowns are effective) we didn’t lock down too late. You can only argue we locked down too late if you now believe the goal is to actually eradicate the disease. If you believe that however, then there is no too early or late, it by definition requires permanent lockdown until achieved.

407471 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 15, #900 of 2062 🔗

Whatever the Government impose it’s not deep enough, or long enough or soon enough for the opposition. So it goes with 10 years imprisonment for visiting a proscribed country? What next? Public execution? Live via Zoom of course.

407476 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Jonathan Smith, 5, #901 of 2062 🔗

Crucifixion more likely

407680 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to isobar, #902 of 2062 🔗

“Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next.”

407494 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Smith, #903 of 2062 🔗

Death by stoning?

407519 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #904 of 2062 🔗

But no women allowed.

(I’m starting a franchise selling fake beards)

407548 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #905 of 2062 🔗

I can self-identify as a man.

407501 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Jonathan Smith, 6, #906 of 2062 🔗

I’ve said this before but if only the authorities would treat robbers, fraudsters rapists etc with the contempt they show the majority of ordinary citizens.

407572 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to smithey, 1, #907 of 2062 🔗

These days the coppers seem to view the crims as useful, expendable auxiliaries for bashing law-abiding citizens.

407602 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to smithey, #908 of 2062 🔗

They are all in gated communities along with the Pret- a -Marxists so these things aren’t even on the radar

407774 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #909 of 2062 🔗

Statement from the Twat Valley Police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y681Y3ibopI

407473 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 29, #910 of 2062 🔗

Shapps destroys the summer:

Grant Shapps warns on hopes of a break this year | Daily Mail Online

How much more can the British people endure? Why don’t they DO something?

407482 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jhfreedom, 32, #911 of 2062 🔗

This is much better from Schapps, I like his style today. At last a government spokesperson who has the balls to lay out their true plans and not beat around the bush with fake promises.

The British people need to understand, and fucking quickly, that the plan is to limit all travel to within a few miles of where they live in perpetuity.

407492 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Richard O, 23, #912 of 2062 🔗

Yeah and it is been done gradually bit by bit. If people woke up one morning and found and found they were confined to the area they lived all hell would break loose but if done gradually bit by then there is no protest. The UK population are currently like a frog in a pan of water which is gradually been heated up to the boil. Like the Frog most people will not realise what is happening until it is too late.

407499 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to smithey, 24, #913 of 2062 🔗

This is a big increase in tempo though, to blast us with vaccine passports and no holidays of any kind on the same day is a major escalation in the state’s offensive. The enemy is revealing themselves for all and sundry to see. It’s gloves off time.

407505 ▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Richard O, 11, #914 of 2062 🔗

Sadly though I think the vast majority of people are still not seeing what is happening. If they can’t see it now then I don’t think they ever will.

407512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to smithey, 8, #915 of 2062 🔗

I think most people by now are in such a trance that you could literally throttle them and they would believe they were receiving a loving embrace. terrifying.

407598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to smithey, 4, #916 of 2062 🔗

This is very much my experience, I’m afraid. Everybody I know just seems able to rationalise everything, with the help of their Big Sister BBC. The now-inevitable economic and societal collapse will be presented to them as something that just sort of happened of its own accord , but which wouldn’t have been as bad had so many not been so selfish, and they’ll just passively consume that as well. We have some insight in these times as to how brave the great dissidents of history were. Here I stand, I can say no other, etc.

407517 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Richard O, 14, #917 of 2062 🔗

It feels that way to me. But I wonder if it’s actually quite clever to introduce both ideas at once. Many people will see the idea of vaccine passports as the proof that they will be able to travel again (any time now), if only they get their jabs (boost for uptake). Only those of us who are already seeing the bigger picture are likely to view both initiatives as part of the same, terrifying descent towards complete authoritarianism.

407535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #918 of 2062 🔗

And when they get their jab and still can’t go anywhere, what Stockholm Syndrome excuse will they make up then I wonder?

407605 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to smithey, 1, #919 of 2062 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OXIo5PH0g

Able Tasmans – Fault in the Frog

407493 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jhfreedom, 23, #920 of 2062 🔗

He’s pretty much laying the ground for a new Middle Ages where its jet holidays for the likes of him, royals, celebs & the mega rich while we have to make do with Blackpool and Bognor Regis.

If people still don’t wake up to this fact then they deserve everything they get.

407503 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #921 of 2062 🔗

Blackpool and Bognor Regis will be off limits for most. Especially when private vehicles are banned.

407769 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 1, #922 of 2062 🔗

They don’t really like us plebs do they?

407560 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #923 of 2062 🔗

This is it.

The elite and their favored pets will flit about on their private jets as they please.

Travel will be made so onerous and expensive for the plebes most won’t bother.

Any plebes that flub on their jabs or papers will be disappeared or summarily executed as an example for the others.

407700 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to awildgoose, 3, #924 of 2062 🔗

That’s what many in the Green movement have wanted and they’re using this crisis to push for putting the plebs back in their place.

407539 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to jhfreedom, 8, #925 of 2062 🔗

“How much more can the British people endure? Why don’t they DO something?”

Let’s face it, everything you have heard about the past was just wishful thinking, the British bow down to everything.

407565 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to norwegian, 2, #926 of 2062 🔗

That’s not nearly as pathetic as all the 2A keyboard warriors here in the US.

“Any day now…just wait….storm is coming…trust the plan…any day now…”

407573 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to awildgoose, 3, #927 of 2062 🔗

Tell me about it, QAnon has been doing my head in for years. Even now there are still some fantasists clinging on to the belief that “something is going to happen”.

407620 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 2, #928 of 2062 🔗

Same. Even now they desperately cling on to ‘any day now’. Sure, someone with Q clearance from the US Energy Department (????!) was ‘secretly’ working with Joe Public via the internet by leaving cryptic breadcrumbs that were so vague that they could be force fitted to any new piece of news coming out.

The hardcore Trumptards also seemed to miss the point that the way to fight the ‘deep state’ isn’t to hire a load of ex-Goldman bankers into your cabinet and jack the war kitty up to $750 billion, give tax breaks to Wall St and then throw $1.2 trillion to the banks.

At least Sheldon Adelson got what he paid for when Trump declared the Golan Heights part of Israel though, but he must have been disappointed that Donnie didn’t nuke Iran.

Free Hillary Clinton! Oh… wait….

407665 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 1, #929 of 2062 🔗

QAnon was a well judged Deep State psyop to keep large numbers of US conservatives docile rather than organizing amongst themselves.

407743 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 1, #931 of 2062 🔗

Trust Sessions

407766 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #932 of 2062 🔗

Do what, exactly? Any suggestions welcomed.

407480 Anti_socialist, 8, #933 of 2062 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted before UK Column News Special: Care Home Whistleblower

407483 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 14, #934 of 2062 🔗

I mentioned yesterday that my 89-year-old mother-in-law who lives with us might be having the vaccine, despite having been in hospital recently and catching Covid while she was there.

Well the nurse has been and she has had the vax which was the AstraZeneca. The nurse was away again inside 2 minutes, I suppose time is money. M-i-L is a tough old bird so we will see what happens, hopefully nothing.

407509 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Biggles, 5, #935 of 2062 🔗

It doesn’t sound like your mother in law was given any information about potential risks from the vaccine or the opportunity to ask questions. I thought people were supposed to be observed for 15 minutes after the receiving the vaccine so clearly that protocol wasn’t followed either.

407523 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to fiery, #936 of 2062 🔗

Who cares about anything as long as you get one more on the vaxed list?

407562 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to fiery, #937 of 2062 🔗

I don’t think Brits are as litigious as Americans so maybe the authorities have decided not to bother with precautions.

407639 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to fiery, 1, #938 of 2062 🔗

Just to confirm, this was Mrs Biggles call, not mine. No info given on risks. Consent was needed but she has dementia, so saying yes doesn’t mean much. Nurse cleared off as quickly as Rose said she would yesterday.

407591 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Biggles, 1, #939 of 2062 🔗

Best not to worry. All the oldies in my town have now been vaccinated. There were hours long queues in the freezing cold. One lady suffered hypothermia somewhere in Fife.

So far nothing major to report. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually if there are any long term effects but it’s too late to do anything about that now for all those already jabbed.

407599 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 1, #940 of 2062 🔗

Why would she need to be stabbed if she has already had the bat cold?

407621 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Crystal Decanter, #941 of 2062 🔗

Ah well, as she’s now had the vax as well as Covid she’s even more immune, apparently.

407502 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #942 of 2062 🔗

Pathetic Earthling sighting:

Making my way down the escalator to catch the Underground. Muzzled woman tries to keep away from my filthy unmasked self and even turns to face the wall.

Jesus wept.

407510 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #943 of 2062 🔗

She has been brainwashed and need help

407555 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to smithey, 3, #944 of 2062 🔗

I was tempted to stop and go “Boo!” to scare her off.

407750 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #945 of 2062 🔗

Yes, or get closer and say ”Excuse me…..” quietly, and with a polite question ready, and see which way she jumps or perhaps you can stir some common courtesy that might still be lurking. Pathetic, isn’t it?

407514 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #946 of 2062 🔗

“Jesus wept.”

The Devil smiled.

408284 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bart Simpson, #947 of 2062 🔗

Indeed, just seen a tall bearded Palestinian male with tears streaming down his face!!!

407511 Jody, replying to Jody, 42, #948 of 2062 🔗

I thought I might share a few thoughts on the situation here in France, which is a little more fluid than the position in the UK, although no less dangerous.

The country currently labours under a 6pm to 6am curfew, which is strictly enforced and broadly adhered to; bars, restaurants, cinemas, museums and cultural attractions remain closed, although “non-essential” shops continue to operate during the day. Schools, crucially, have stayed open, although the price the government has exacted for this concession has been compulsory mask-wearing for all children aged 6 and upwards.

Paris has been itching to impose a third full lockdown, along British lines, since Christmas, egged-on by its Scientific Council (equivalent of SAGE), and appeared to be ready to take such a step a couple of weeks ago (as if being locked-in your house at gunpoint for twelve hours every night isn’t a “lockdown” in itself).

In the end, the government backed-off, and there can be little doubt that its reason for doing so was its wariness of public opinion, which has moved sharply since last Autumn (remember that “public opinion” in France isn’t simply the finding of an opinion poll; it usually manifests itself on the street…)

So, for the time being, the Élysée Palace has to content itself with the current restrictions, which the public seems just about able to tolerate; needless to say, none of the dire predictions concerning the consequences of no-lockdown (people dying in hospital corridors and the collapse of the health system) have come to pass, but the government presses on.

Yesterday, the Assemblée Nationale passed, after a fierce debate, the government’s demand for an extension of its “state of health emergency” powers, until 1st June, although the winning margin was relatively narrow: 278 votes in favor, 193 against, and 13 abstentions.

The state of health emergency, rather like the Covid Acts in the UK, gives the government carte blanche to do whatever it pleases, including imposing lockdowns, curfews, closures and travel restrictions; the Ministry of Health said it needed the extension in order to implement its “vaccination programme”.

Now, everybody with their nose to the ground in France knows that the defining clashes are going to come this summer, around June or July. The government is not going to get another extension to its emergency powers through the National Assembly, and the public’s patience will have snapped by this point (the ability to sit in a bar or restaurant all day during the summer, and to go on holiday on the coast or in the mountains, is practically regarded as a human right over here).

So this is when the government is going to be forced to show its hand. Leaked documents suggest that a state of “martial law” is being considered, a process which would allow the government to bypass the National Assembly. The reasons the government would give for this would include the emergence of new variants of Coronavirus, and the need to push-on with France’s lagging vaccination programme. It is also entirely possible that some other kind of “imminent threat” could be introduced, to go alongside the “Covid crisis”.

There is a fair degree of speculation here, but there is one thing that can be said with certainty: the French government, just like its counterpart in the UK, is not going to let go of its recently-acquired powers without an almighty struggle.

407527 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jody, 20, #949 of 2062 🔗

Interesting stuff, thanks.

remember that “public opinion” in France isn’t simply the finding of an opinion poll; it usually manifests itself on the street

It’s pretty clear that we will not return to being a free country here unless we go to some extent down that route ourselves.

407616 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Mark, 5, #950 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I think that’s becoming very clear. And it’s a pity, because the British have generally been able to avoid that route.

407668 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jody, 4, #951 of 2062 🔗

Speaking as a conservative with an innate dislike of street demonstration and of lawbreaking, that’s one of the reasons for especially hating those responsible for this panic and lockdown, from Johnson to Starmer, and all their accomplices and collaborators.

408218 ▶▶▶▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to Mark, #952 of 2062 🔗

An interesting remark. I have always felt uncomfortable about marches and demonstrations, as they can so easily turn ugly. Recently I have found my mood changing, and were it not for a looming hip operation, I might now feel like joining one. The government are to blame. Their policies have forced me to move from letter writing to considering something more physical. I only hope I can recover quickly enough to get out on the streets when it all kicks off.

408352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to semper dissentio, #953 of 2062 🔗

The government are to blame. Their policies have forced me to move from letter writing to considering something more physical .”

Well, the government, the opposition, and the general class of “elites” under the heading “establishment”, working together.

The government introduced an unacceptable policy of infringement of absolutely fundamental liberties, in a panic and without even a coherent case for it. But that alone was not enough to drive non-demonstrators to the streets. Let the political process deal with it.

But the “Opposition” failed to oppose, and instead pushed for worse measures. That was a disaster, but there was still hope. The arguments could be won and alternative centres of political power mobilised, and the politicians forced to listen.

But the final block in the wall was the more or less complete suppression of dissent and smothering of truth under an avalanche of fear propaganda.

With no hope of any political route out, only physical defiance was left to us.

Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent change inevitable.

407922 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 1, #954 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I think you’re right. When the breaking point comes for many people, the ‘critical mass’ will be achieved (perhaps in April) and it will be ugly.

407534 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Jody, 13, #955 of 2062 🔗

Yes, once governments have powers they never willingly give them up. What is now abundantly clear to anyone with at least 3 brain cells is that this is no longer about a cold virus which 99% of people survive and generally only kills people who only have another year or two left of life.

407755 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to smithey, 1, #956 of 2062 🔗

Agree completely but …

Survival is a factor of 10 greater

99.9% survive

at least

407582 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jody, 2, #957 of 2062 🔗

RpTime to stock up on paving stones.

407954 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Jody, #958 of 2062 🔗

Although mini macron has declared he won’t bring in another lockdown, the 6pm curfew is a severe restriction and is lockdown by default.
The french are much better at civil disobedience than the british (e.g. gilet jaunes) – I think we could learn from. The police are brutal here against any minor infringement e.g. the manchester cafe and the protests last year, and I think this is to fend off civil disorder which the government fear.

408524 ▶▶ ekd, replying to Jody, #959 of 2062 🔗

Are there any websites / forums in France equivalent to “Lockdown Sceptics”?

407518 this is my username, 1, #960 of 2062 🔗

This is very good.

Project Immanuel – Stefan Lanka

https://odysee.com/@Projekt-Immanuel:3/Announcement_Eng:6

407524 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 60, #961 of 2062 🔗

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, has decided that lying about where one has been is a criminal offence, punishable by up to ten years’ imprisonment. This marks a radical departure from the norms of English law. Lying is not illegal in English law. There are specific laws where lying is implicated, such as fraud or perjury, but the crime in such cases is not lying. In perjury the crime isn’t the lie, it is the perversion of the administration of justice. In fraud, the crime isn’t the lie, it is the theft. Even in these cases, the lie must be a positive lie. Yet, under Hancock’s law, even a lie of omission is criminalised.

The government is turning the country into a police state. This process has been developing since March 2020. The trend has been consistent and ever more draconian. Laws have been introduced without parliamentary scrutiny that have defenestrated the established principle that one is allowed to do anything that is not specifically contrary to law. The government has encouraged police to enforce guidance, rather than uphold the law. Ministers and their experts and senior police officers and members of the medical establishment and local authority officials and the propagandists who pretend to be journalists have encouraged members of the public to spy on each other and report wrong doers, resulting in the police raiding children’s birthday parties and worse.

Under the regime the government has established one has to read government Statutory Instruments that are written in the most obscure fashion and are only published mere hours before coming into force in order to know what one is still allowed to do. The radical nature of this transformation is so extreme and contrary to the whole of English history that people can read them and not believe their eyes because they cannot bring themselves to believe that the government has overthrown the fundamental presumption of liberty. Now one can only do what government ministers say one can do. This is totalitarianism, on steroids.

407528 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #962 of 2062 🔗

Well said. Good comment. The sheeple will approve.

407529 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #963 of 2062 🔗

Well stated.

During the past twelve months I’ve often felt we are witnessing the extinction of human freedom on Earth.

407552 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to awildgoose, 6, #964 of 2062 🔗

I think you are correct , China is leading the way & we are in their slipstream ! I keep waiting for sanity to be restored BUT ( & it’s a big But ) I think we’ve had it !!!.. we’ve lost , done for etc as Cleese stated in “The dead parrot sketch”

407595 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #965 of 2062 🔗

China is the model.

Xi and the CCP constantly talk about exporting the, “China Model.”

The globalists, like the WEF, seem fully on board.

407720 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to awildgoose, #966 of 2062 🔗

If we adoped the China model then the following would happen:

No asymptomatic cases.

No use of the Drosten PCR

‘Cases’ must have specific symptoms.

407768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 1, #967 of 2062 🔗
407537 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #968 of 2062 🔗

Well put 👍

407541 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #969 of 2062 🔗

What happens if you assert your right to silence?

407579 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #970 of 2062 🔗

That was eliminated years ago. We’ve been moving towards totalitarianism for some time – note the determined efforts to eliminate any political parties other than the main two.

407610 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #971 of 2062 🔗

If one asserts the right to silence, one will not be allowed to enter the country. The procedures require the statement about where one is travelling from before embarkation.

407542 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #972 of 2062 🔗

We need Iraq to invade and free us from the cruel dictator in charge!

407551 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #973 of 2062 🔗

The Emperor Nero used to post his new laws atop a hundred-foot-tall column, then boast to visiting dignitaries that he had his people exactly where he wanted them, because they didn’t know whether they were obeying the law or not. The Pig Lord might know the difference between an exponential function and his fundament, but we can rest assured he knows his classical history.

407557 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #974 of 2062 🔗

This is totalitarianism, on steroids.

On gene therapy actually Steve.

407659 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #975 of 2062 🔗

The radical nature of this transformation is so extreme and contrary to the whole of English history

Exactly so. And yet there are still people on both sides of the political divide who claim the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Patel etc are somehow meaningfully “conservative”!

407526 petgor, replying to petgor, 13, #976 of 2062 🔗

“Protect the NHS. Save lives”. How does that work when by protecting the NHS lives are being lost by its principal dedication to Covid? just asking.

407544 ▶▶ smithey, replying to petgor, 7, #977 of 2062 🔗

Sod the NHS fight for your freedom is going to be my slogan from now on.

407533 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #978 of 2062 🔗

I’m worried that I may have an asymptomatic common cold!

407559 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to NickR, 6, #979 of 2062 🔗

I bet if we looked closely enough at most humans there would be enough viruses floating around inside them to be classed as asymptomatic with just about everything.

407574 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to NickR, 4, #980 of 2062 🔗

I am asymptomatic pregnant.

407642 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peterthepainter, 3, #981 of 2062 🔗

What are you hoping for? asymptomatic boy* or asymptomatic girl*?

*Other genders are available, I’m told. 😉

407841 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to peterthepainter, 1, #982 of 2062 🔗

If the ask me to take a covid test, I was going to tell them to try a pregnancy one instead. At least I have one of the symptoms of that.

407592 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to NickR, 1, #983 of 2062 🔗

I have Covid Toe
Good job fungicide seems to work

407545 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 34, #984 of 2062 🔗

I have no doubt in my mind now that most people in the UK would have been Nazis and happily gone along with it all.

I saw a tweet the other day, paraphrasing, that was along the lines of “many people would likely have called for gays to be punished during the AIDS crisis”

Look at any country with atrocious human rights, now and in the past, and ask why would people here today be any different had they lived in any of those places.

407556 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Nobody2021, 22, #985 of 2062 🔗

True, I totally agree with you. I don’t know why my grandparents bothered fighting the Nazis as most people in the UK seem willingly to openly embrace totalitarianism.

407575 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to smithey, 28, #986 of 2062 🔗

Can you imagine how horrified all those men and women would be to see what has become of the country they fought for.

I’m pretty sure my grandfather didn’t fight for a country where his granddaughter would be prevented from earning a living or be harassed by the authorities for attempting to do so.

407615 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to kh1485, 13, #987 of 2062 🔗

They will all been turning in their graves. My grandparents generation will be disgusted (and rightly so) at my generation for what they have so easily allowed to happen.

407851 ▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to kh1485, 8, #988 of 2062 🔗

Totally agree, my grandad fought in the 2nd WW and also my great uncle, who endured a Japanese prisoner of war camp, to keep future generations safe and free. Thank heavens they are not around to see what has happened to their country.

407566 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #989 of 2062 🔗

Precisely! Much ado about Germans embracing Nazism but people are the same in England, Norway etc etc.

407588 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #990 of 2062 🔗

100%
You never realize how easily it could happen until you see it with your own eyes

407594 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 12, #991 of 2062 🔗

I coukdnmt be,ieve it kast March and I have trouble believing it even now.

408418 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, #992 of 2062 🔗

Yes when I watched Johnson on 23rd March I just assumed people would just ignore the fat clown. But they didn’t….that was the big mistake. Its been down hill ever since and will continue to be so without massive resistance and probably considerable violence.

407614 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #993 of 2062 🔗

Yep it is quite clear. At least we can put the “it couldn’t happen here” myth to bed for good now as it already has happened.

407782 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #994 of 2062 🔗

No doubt about that whatsoever- they’d have grassed on Anna Frank and thought themselves virtuous for doing so.

407845 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #995 of 2062 🔗

That’s exactly what I was thinking last night. It’s horrifying that within the majority of people who appear normal and decent on the surface is a fascist waiting to get out.

407546 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 16, #996 of 2062 🔗

The Prime Minister told the Commons today: “I think we’re going to have to get used to the idea of vaccinating and revaccinating in the autumn as we come to face these new variants.”

More pincushion politics.

407549 ▶▶ smithey, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 6, #997 of 2062 🔗

At this rate we will all end up having to have a vaccination every other day!

407587 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to smithey, 5, #998 of 2062 🔗

That’s the plan.

You won’t be able to roll out of your sleeping pod or wipe your arse without that day’s jab!

407550 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #999 of 2062 🔗

No different to how we’ve been dealing with the flu for years apart from the extraordinary and superfluous measures that are seemingly required for this virus but none others.

407571 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #1000 of 2062 🔗

No different to how we’ve been dealing with the flu for years

Err, yes it is different! We have never before had compulsory mRNA gene therapy – only simple voluntary vaccines.

407580 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #1001 of 2062 🔗

I think we’re not going to get used to that, do they think we are all stupid

407697 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1002 of 2062 🔗

yes

407608 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #1003 of 2062 🔗

I’m sure the Big Pharma shareholders will get used to the idea very quickly.

407553 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 6, #1004 of 2062 🔗

51% on you gov like the 10 year jail term law.

407581 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to pvenkman, 12, #1005 of 2062 🔗

And over on wemadeitallup.con 166% of the British Public are gagging to bring back the death penalty for all covid crimes.

407585 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to pvenkman, 6, #1006 of 2062 🔗

Modern people value safety and comfort so highly they would crawl back into the womb if they could.

407590 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1007 of 2062 🔗

That’s more or less what the zombies have done.

407627 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to pvenkman, 6, #1008 of 2062 🔗

And 76% think there should be laws preventing people travelling where they want to. There is no hope

407676 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1009 of 2062 🔗

“What luck, for governments, that the people are stupid!” – Adolf Hitler

407692 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1010 of 2062 🔗

What was Adolf going on about, the people are supposed to be stupid”?

Conjecteured last thooghts of Benito Mussolini and Nikolai Ceaucescu.

407690 ▶▶ RickH, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1011 of 2062 🔗

“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

“No one in this world, so far as I know – and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me – has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.”

H L Mencken – the man always with the aphorism for the present moment

407829 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to pvenkman, 3, #1012 of 2062 🔗

Actually that’s not bad odds for the extremely biased yougov, seems even quite a few of the zealots think its a step too far!

408016 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to pvenkman, #1013 of 2062 🔗

Now 62%. The 77 brigade really need to get their act together. They were obviously late starting.

407554 right2question, replying to right2question, 4, #1014 of 2062 🔗

https://upvir.al/ref/ic52770414 cv revealed series. zach bush we were only able to develop into mammals because of virus’ and the way that we bring genetic material from them into our own dna. now this is the co evolutionary awe of nature that i want to know about.

407570 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to right2question, 11, #1015 of 2062 🔗

It makes sense that by learning to co-exist with nature we increase our chances of survival.

Living in a bubble might allow people to live a bit longer in the short term but long term it decreases our chances of surviving as a species overall.

407632 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to right2question, 1, #1016 of 2062 🔗

That guy totally altered my attitude to death, fixed something in my PTSD symptoms that were flaring from lockdown, and gave me a route to teach death and grief to my child.

407564 Mark, replying to Mark, 18, #1017 of 2062 🔗

I hope we lock up all those responsible in government, media and establishment for a lot longer than 10 years.

407578 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 7, #1018 of 2062 🔗

10 years for lies, that’s Parliament emptied

407653 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #1019 of 2062 🔗

Again, not me but a sentiment I can at least agree with.

(So much for “no more duplicates, by the way).

407569 Cecil B, 22, #1020 of 2062 🔗

Ted Bundy seems to be under the impression that we are all gagging to go abroad

I’m not. Why would I want to engage with any part of this murderous regime

I will wait for the the dictatorship to end. If it doesn’t end I’ll stay put

407583 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 45, #1021 of 2062 🔗

All of this is going to continue being ramped up in time for PM’s speech about the roadmap to “normal”, either PM actually has found his balls and this is an attempt to make sure he doesn’t allow people to get on with their lives, or it is a means to make sure the sheep accept whatever he says because it will not be quite as bad as ehat is currently being reported.

The May elections will be cancelled or will be postal only, or even digital only (another way to get people to have an app). In line with this there will be an annoucement that due to all the new strains, zero covid is the only option to pursue.

Every single day I wake up and for a fleeting second I do not think about what is happening, every single day this happens my mental health gets worse, something I have never suffered with during my entire life before.

Half of me still thinks this is all over reaction and hysteria but the other says it has all been planned and the virus is a cover.

407603 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Cumbriacracked, 27, #1022 of 2062 🔗

At first I thought it was over reaction and hysteria but if that were the case it would either be over by now or we would at the least have a clear path back to freedom. As we don’t and this is happening in pretty much every other western society it is increasingly starting to look like there is something sinister at play especially with all the climate change rhetoric been cranked up to fever pitch. What we are seeing is a new world order been ushered in and one that I don’t very much like the look of.

407640 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to smithey, 9, #1023 of 2062 🔗

Taken me a long while to accept the feeling but I can now say I am very scared. Yes I question everything but the more that I find out the more I can see no end.

Having a bad day today so everything always seems worse but I still cannot understand why so many people go along with everything.

What do those on LS think, if everything finished tomorrow what would be the majority reaction? If everyone believes everything they are told now, would they continue to believe the government again and just return to normal life? Initially my thoughts were they have been brainwashed too much and would still be scared however the more I think about it the more I think they would just return to normal as they would not question why the sudden change.

407651 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Cumbriacracked, 11, #1024 of 2062 🔗

This at least is where the vaccine gives the government a way out because they can claim once the majority of people have been vaccinated that we have heard immunity and all restrictions can be lifted. The fact they don’t want to do this and and seem intent on finding new terrifying mutations all the time implies they have no intention of releasing us. Like you I am scared and it is not a virus that I have a 99% chance of surviving which is inducing the fear.

407661 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to smithey, 8, #1025 of 2062 🔗

Yes that is a good point, I still believe the uptake of the vaccine is way below their estimations and reporting. All the walk of vaccine passports, jabs in Autumn etc make me think there is more of a backlash against vaccines. Wancock has purchased every vaccine produced and in vast quantities, is it just a simple situation he has to use them up? Maybe the treasury are beginning to wake up? Or all just wishful thinking!

407658 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1026 of 2062 🔗

I think many more people are far more sceptical than we think.

The media being virtually unanimous and the masking mandates just have the effect of making each sceptic feel terribly isolated.

That is not the reality.

407671 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to rockoman, 8, #1027 of 2062 🔗

Yes I agree, not so much more sceptics as such but more do not care either way so will go along with the flow, so if it all ended tomorrow that’s what they would do.

I do wish there was any easy way of identifying fellow sceptics easily when out an about, other than no mask.

407613 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Cumbriacracked, 11, #1028 of 2062 🔗

I can’t understand it, is it planned? Or is it people taking the opportunity of the circumstances? The thing that gets me the most is why such ignorance to simple interventions like vitamins and zinc?

407619 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to pvenkman, 11, #1029 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, the more you think about it the only logical conclusion you can come to is that it is it the ushering in of a new world order.

407630 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to smithey, 5, #1030 of 2062 🔗

Occam’s razor does kind of point that way doesn’t it.

407646 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to leggy, 9, #1031 of 2062 🔗

David Icke and Alex Jones are proven more correct by the day.

407679 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to smithey, 1, #1032 of 2062 🔗

I don’t think it is any ushering in of a NWO.

The whole political spectrum is far too united for that.

If pressed, I consider that it all constitutes the preparation for some kind of monetary/financial transition, which will necessarily involve lower living standards in the Anglosphere and the Eurozone, which is why it is in these countries where the lockdown regime is now most prevalent

407751 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 4, #1033 of 2062 🔗

You’ve basically described the implementation of an NWO.

407975 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to rockoman, #1034 of 2062 🔗

There is only one plausible explanation: There is a covert war going on and the MI5 people are briefing governments everywhere, telling them that the Chinese may release even more vicious viruses anytime.
The Chinese are the very people that worried so much that too many people were born every year, but now they can´t bear the thought of too many people dying.
In her excellent book about Mao, Jung Chang tells the story of the Korean war when Mao sent 500 thousand soldiers to the front with lousy weapons, almost like being unarmed, just to show the Americans, that he was not afraid of sacrificing his men and he would just send more soldiers, as they had endless numbers of people to be killed.
There have been many conferences or rehearsals trying out different scenarios like one in D.C. held by the US army about biowarfare were the aggressor denied having released a virus or a pathogen, so as not to be counter attacked. I think the Intelligence people are scaring the governments all over.

407660 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to pvenkman, 5, #1035 of 2062 🔗

The active suppresion of Ivermactin and HCQ.

407681 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to rockoman, 3, #1036 of 2062 🔗

That is I agree a worrying aspect, the timing of removing HCQ in European countries from being purchased over the counter was odd to say the least.

407828 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1037 of 2062 🔗

Odd is one word. Damn right criminal are a few others.

407684 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cumbriacracked, 13, #1038 of 2062 🔗

It this was just over reaction and hysteria, they’d be looking for an escape route. Not only were the vaccines that escape route, it was the escape route they’d actually promised and what is happening now the vaccines are here? They are moving the goalposts yet again. Make no mistake, they do not want this to end.

407726 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Chicot, 3, #1039 of 2062 🔗

I do wonder if it is government reacting to what they read on social media?

407695 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1040 of 2062 🔗

The only elections we have here in May is for the Police and Crime commissioner – if that goes ahead it might be a bit interesting…

407746 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1041 of 2062 🔗

It’s a tricky one. I really can’t explain what is going on with any authority, but I feel reasonably confident we will exit the nonsense at some point, just because most people do want to get back to an old normal at some point, even the lockdown zealots, and people power will win in the end. I may be wrong, but if I’m wrong so be it

It is a separate but important point on how we deal with this to protect our mental health. I’ve entered a mindset of not fearing how this all ends. I get outside on my bike or walk whenever I can, and get comfort from a bond and wonder of the natural world. I avoid all mainstream media. My anger that was becoming a big problem is now a controlled fight

So I’m fighting against all this, but I’m not allowing fear or hate destroy me. I mentioned this Robert Graves poem yesterday

Hate Not – Fear Not

Kill if you must, but never hate:
Man is but grass and hate is blight,
The sun will scorch you soon or late,
Die wholesome then, since you must fight.

Hate is a fear, and fear is rot
That cankers root and fruit alike,
Fight cleanly then, hate not, fear not,
Strike with no madness when you strike.

Fever and fear distract the world,
But calm be you though madmen shout,
Through blazing fires of battle hurled,
Hate not, strike, fear not, stare Death out!

I think it is individual. So keep up the fight, but don’t overthink things, and try and find a away to get through this, as that is at least something you can control to some extent. Make looking after yourself and your mental health the priority.

407781 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #1042 of 2062 🔗

Lovely post Freecumbria thank you. I have not listened to the MSM since March and thankfully am not on any social media platforms, I have only just started posting on here that is about it. Yes you are right getting out and about helps, some days are good some bad. The dog keeps me sane as doesn’t seemed bothered about anything other than meeting people with masks on!

407906 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #1043 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I am cautiously optimistic that things will return to normal, though there might be a period of disruption (civil unrest) before that happens. My hope is that the Conservatives will unseat Bozo, which will usher in a new Cabinet, with many of the current ministers gone. Sunak does seem to understand the extent of the damage to the economy and wants to return to normal, from what I have read.

Regarding the ‘what’s going on’ question, I still think it’s due an overreaction in March that led to government capture by the public health ‘mafia’ and fear of further deaths due (supposedly) to the Rona and the public reaction to this. Yes, I thought the government would have pencilled in an exit strategy for March/April and am concerned about the shifting of goalposts towards Zero Covid, but this is where I think it will all fall apart, perhaps violently. I have seen so much anger on comment sections online that I think many people have finally had enough, and this may reach ‘critical mass’ in a few weeks.

The ten-year sentence for quarantine violaters shows that Hancock has completely lost the plot and this should be turning point, particularly now that the middle classes should finally wake up and realise that they will not be going anywhere for a holiday this year unless things change very soon. Once winter and viral infections fade away and the bulk of the ‘vulnerable’ have been ‘vaccinated’ (with the experimental gene therapy), demand for change will grow, and it could get violent in some places. Then the government will have a big decision to make. I think this is where Bozo will have to go.

I don’t believe in the ‘Great Reset’ and related stories. I have interviewed many politicians over the years and can tell you that most are as thick as pig shit, though have a remarkable ability to manipulate the public, with an understaning of the voters; the latter ability should not be confused with intelligence. References to terminology associated with the Great Reset and WEF are simply repeating the BS that these idiot politicians have heard online, just like we have. It’s all empty rhetoric used by the self-righteous and we are paying too much attention to it.

Where I do believe in sinister forces is where it’s clear that conflicts of interest and outright corruption have taken advantage of the situation for personal profit. Big Pharma is obviously part of this, and other sectors will try to get involved. We need to fight this, of course. But I simply do not believe in some global agenda operating here because most politicians are barely capable of running their own countries, let alone cooperating in a global conspiracy. They’re just not very bright, particularly when it comes to anything requiring co-ordination. They simply react, often in a knee-jerk way, and that explains most of what we are seeing, I think.

407989 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1044 of 2062 🔗

A pretty good summary of the coronapanic situation and how we got here, I think, along with the optimistic position on where we go from here.

408041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 1, #1045 of 2062 🔗

Thanks. If I couldn’t be optimistic about something, I wouldn’t get out of bed in the morning.

408444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1046 of 2062 🔗

The longer this goes on the more I think violent confrontations will happen. I dont like violence but would play my part in them if it turns out to be the only way.

407597 Cecil B, 17, #1047 of 2062 🔗

8,000 jobs go go at Heineken

‘It’s going spiffing’ said the Pig Dictator as he drew breath whilst sucking off an old Etonian

407600 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 20, #1048 of 2062 🔗

How long until this farce ends? Cant see the tourism sector surviving this year that pretty much wipes out all the jobs in the national parks and coastal town, don’t suppose motorhome and caravan manufacturers can survive either or tent manufactures or outdoor clothing companies the list goes on.

407607 ▶▶ smithey, replying to pvenkman, 10, #1049 of 2062 🔗

It’s not going to end.

407611 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to pvenkman, 12, #1050 of 2062 🔗

There are so may sectors which are unlikely to survive, tourism being one, coupled with aviation and the many small businesses. Glasgow airport is in trouble I believe, this is just going to keep going until there is nothing left.

407629 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1051 of 2062 🔗

Hello from a fellow Cumbrian by the way. Carlisle airport never really got off the ground doubt it will now.

407649 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to pvenkman, 4, #1052 of 2062 🔗

Yes hello pvenkman. Sadly Carlisle airport was finally beginning to pick up and I agree it will not return.

407667 ▶▶▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1053 of 2062 🔗

Guess they still have an income from the testing station though!

407696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to pvenkman, 3, #1054 of 2062 🔗

True!

408287 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to pvenkman, #1055 of 2062 🔗

It’s the planes that are supposed to get off the ground, silly, not the airport.

407628 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to pvenkman, 3, #1056 of 2062 🔗

Going on holiday is illegal.

407631 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to pvenkman, 11, #1057 of 2062 🔗

Once you’re living in stack and pack high-rise housing in a smart city, what need will you have for visits to stately homes? That’s what UN Agenda 21/2030 requires. This lockdown is not coincidental – it suits the agenda.

407652 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to pvenkman, 14, #1058 of 2062 🔗

The clothing industry in general.

If you never really go anywhere and hardly ever meet anybody, who needs to buy new clothes?

407948 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to rockoman, #1059 of 2062 🔗

That’s what I said to my friend when Jaeger shut. Who needs clothes for the office anymore?

408289 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to rockoman, #1060 of 2062 🔗

Emperors don’t seem to need them.

407819 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to pvenkman, 5, #1061 of 2062 🔗

They want the tourist industry to collapse, so when they say there there you can now go on holiday again, no chance no airlines/airports left. Only the rich can go with private jets.

408233 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to pvenkman, #1062 of 2062 🔗

Motorhome and caravan sales are through the roof apparently so are camping caravanning motorhome site bookings.

407609 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1063 of 2062 🔗

This year will people renew their annual golf club memberships, Gym memberships ,National Trust memberships etc?

No thought not, all those jobs gone and not factored in yet

407618 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cecil B, 16, #1064 of 2062 🔗

I refuse to renew memberships to companies which have been OTT with their “measures”. Yes they will struggle but if they were more understanding and not so officious them maybe I would think differently. Having no employment and not being eligble for any of the free money, I choose who I support and who I do not by how they have reacted to what is happening.

407654 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1065 of 2062 🔗

Cancelled gym after they patronised me when I raised concerns over safety for the club’s extremely decrepit members possibly falling foul of COVID-19, (actually they were all fine, so what did I know, but the tone was very “there, there” from someone who’s since been made redundant).

Cancelled NT after they unilaterally renewed membership and sent me an email thanking me for my continued support. I loathe Golf. But since LD I have stopped saying that it’ll be fine with me if it never opens again. Because actually it won’t. I’m not ok with hurting people, or with the loss of jobs. I hope they’ll consider using less chemicals on the course, though.

407728 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #1066 of 2062 🔗

Cancelled gym after they patronised me when I raised concerns over safety for the club’s extremely decrepit members possibly falling foul of COVID-19, (actually they were all fine, so what did I know, but the tone was very “there, there” from someone who’s since been made redundant) .”

So have you now recognised that the now apparently redundant staff member was correct to patronise you, because you were contributing to the general hysterical panic response?

Sounds from your description as though an apology would be in order…

407678 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1067 of 2062 🔗

Our local hobby club has reduced fees by a half this year – I think that doesn’t go far enough as we haven’t met in person since last March. As it happens they have just given me honorary membership so I get it for free anyway. As for National Trust I shall make that decision in July when it comes for renewal but not used my present membership card at all yet this year.

407702 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1068 of 2062 🔗

I’m certainly not bothering with the NT again this year. What’s the point if we can’t go round the properties without being expected to spray the monkey spunk on every few minutes.

407876 ▶▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1069 of 2062 🔗

Sitting here thinking about getting round to cancelling our NT membership. No rush as not due for a couple of months.

407723 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1070 of 2062 🔗

I’m a member of a club – they sent me the full £260 renewal. No chance that’s getting paid.

408099 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1071 of 2062 🔗

I did renew my worldwide travel insurance. It’s only £4 a month so thought it was worth a punt. Never mind.

407626 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1072 of 2062 🔗

How will the countries survive with no hospitality, travel, etc, how will the countries survive whose only income is travel, not all of them get free money, how will the mega rich survive, they can’t keep jabbing us to make money

407638 ▶▶ smithey, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1073 of 2062 🔗

Never mind, if there is just one 100 year old somewhere who avoids Covid and therefore gets to spend another week drooling in an old people’s home before dyeing anyway, because that is what inevitably happens to us all, then it will all have been worthwhile!

407644 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to smithey, 6, #1074 of 2062 🔗

They didnt appear to mind when they wanted their wars, millions of collateral damage then, fighting for freedom, apparently

407664 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1075 of 2062 🔗

Exactly, also during those wars it was young lives which were laid to waste, not people who have enjoyed a long prosperous innings and due to go anyway succumbing to a virus. Ironic thing is the government happily sacrifice young lives to fight for freedom in other countries then take it away in the blink of an eye in our own. Perhaps Iraq will return the favour and send an army to free us.

407689 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1076 of 2062 🔗

The elite will subsidise the services they need and want.

I would take the yacht industry as the model they will use.

That is largely a closed system to us plebes.

407698 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1077 of 2062 🔗

Also high end jacuzzis and are doing inordinately well since lock down

407643 Victoria, 5, #1078 of 2062 🔗

Great article by JermWarfare re Ivermectin

South Africa: Western Cape government versus Ivermectin

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/western-cape-ivermectin

407647 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1079 of 2062 🔗

In one friend whatts app group – ‘Just had my Covid jab’, girl aged 42.
Another, aged 51 gets hers tomorrow.
They applied online to go for it.
I didn’t know what to say except ask which one. Both are Pfizer.
I know now about a dozen people who have been injected.

407672 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ganjan21, 8, #1080 of 2062 🔗

Nothing you can do about the brainwashed I’m afraid. Just hope that the worst fears about the vaccine do not come true.

407685 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1081 of 2062 🔗

It will only sink in when the collaborators all know more people IRL who mysteriously died within 28 days of the jab than croaked with the bat cold

407648 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1082 of 2062 🔗

Gabriel Scally, leading member of the zero covid goon squad, lays out his plans in the Irish Times – https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/government-ministers-should-be-vaccinated-says-virologist-1.4480987

excerpt:

Public health expert Dr Gabriel Scally has called for public health “hit squads” to be mobilised to respond to any local clusters of Covid-19 that may occur.
The country’s Covid-19 strategy should be about dealing with the virus, not “reopening things” he told Newstalk’s Pat Kenny show.
Dr Scally said he did not like “the notion” of “living with the virus” – there wasn’t talk about living with other diseases such as TB, diphtheria or measles.
“I would really love to see a strategy which talks about beating Covid, getting to Zero Covid, no Covid, or suppression of Covid. Those are the sort of things that appeal to me.”
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I find it interesting that its always about “the virus”, with rarely a mention “the people”.

407663 ▶▶ davews, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1083 of 2062 🔗

there wasn’t talk about living with other diseases such as TB, diphtheria or measles.

No, we just live with them and vaccinations done on the quiet. We have never closed anything down for them. Who is this chap who has sprung up with this nonsense?

407701 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to davews, 2, #1084 of 2062 🔗
407788 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to davews, 3, #1085 of 2062 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30995239.html

1200 people hospitalised with TB in Ireland 2015 to 2018. I’d call that living with TB.

407683 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1086 of 2062 🔗

So says the public servant suckling at the teat of the public purse on full pay…

And this is just arrant nonsense, “t here wasn’t talk about living with other diseases such as TB, diphtheria or measles”

Of course people just lived with those before vaccinations and anti-biotics. What fucking planet is he on?

407705 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1087 of 2062 🔗

“I would really love to see a strategy which talks about beating Covid, getting to Zero Covid, no Covid, or suppression of Covid. Those are the sort of things that appeal to me I toss myself off to .”

Fixed that for him.

407805 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1088 of 2062 🔗

Naughty but probably sums it up!

407713 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1089 of 2062 🔗

Alchemy is having a bit of a resurgence in these people.

407753 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1090 of 2062 🔗

getting to Zero Covid..

Zero Covid is the government’s best friend. At any time it’s ministers or advisors can stare benignly into a press conference camera and re-claim their libertarian credentials by assuring us that Zero Covid will never become government policy. Meanwhile the police state oppression, educational deprivation, and economic destruction continues under a different policy name.
A draconian policy by any other name would…. etc.

407655 Cecil B, 2, #1091 of 2062 🔗

Bid them achieve me and sell my bones

407670 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #1092 of 2062 🔗

I pinched this from an earlier post – might use it as a banner for the car rear window….

“What luck, for governments, that the people are stupid!” – Adolf Hitler

407677 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1093 of 2062 🔗

“What luck, for governments, that the people are stupid!”
Clearly some things never change!

407673 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 2, #1094 of 2062 🔗

Wife has booked her jab rang today jabbed on Friday doesn’t seem like there is a long wait!

407818 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to pvenkman, 4, #1095 of 2062 🔗

A vaccination centre near me has taken to advertising the availability of appointments on a local community Facebook page. I don’t see why that is necessary unless the expected uptake just isn’t there after the initial rush.

407675 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1096 of 2062 🔗

I guess we are going to have to put up with the Govt news management until Boris makes the Feb 22nd on the way out of lockdown. Until then, we are in the same wishy-washy newspeak the Govt used in December ahead of their free trade deal with the EU.
With speculation about lack of holidays, vaccines that may or not work effectively. On the latter, note how all the optimistic voices re vaccines have disappeared-irrespective of whether you believe them.

407693 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1097 of 2062 🔗

I suspect the bollocks currently being spouted by Crapps and Handjobs (supported by Van Tampon) is leading up to Bojo telling us “it’s just too dangerous to be opening now, chaps!”.

407760 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1098 of 2062 🔗

the thing was Mike Yeadon was arguing quite the opposite until silenced last week. Trevor Bedford @trvrb is saying the same thing-although he’s quite technical and hard to follow-probably why he hasn’t been cancelled!

407691 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #1099 of 2062 🔗

When Monday comes round and Wankock’s sledgehammer 10 year jail penalties for trying to hide where you have come from begin operating, I take it they will apply to all arrivals? Including rubber boats? I mean, it’s THE LAW isn’t it?

407715 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #1100 of 2062 🔗

Is it the Law, has it gone through Parliament

407737 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1101 of 2062 🔗

They are using a law from 1981 for fraud and counterfeiting. Presumably so they can bat off any mild complaints from the backbenches that it hasn’t gone through Parliament.

407983 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1102 of 2062 🔗

It’s a statutory instrument using the Act for Fraud and Counterfeiting as the ‘Parent Act’. (If I’m wrong about this corrections please).
Parliament is essentially an irrelevance right now, as are MPs, and Paliamentary democracy is missing in action or, er, inaction.

407706 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 11, #1103 of 2062 🔗

Some crummy news.

My best friend’s other best friend co-ordinates a particular branch of the emergency services and gets a govt. briefing each week. Basically they don’t want to lift lockdown because they are scared witless by these variants. I suppose this was becoming evident in recent days but it means not much should be expected from this exit plan due later this month.

I will be doing what it takes to preserve mental and physical health in light of this, just as I have been for a year now. And that often conflicts with the official guidelines as I’m sure you can all guess.

407711 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #1104 of 2062 🔗

Is that what they want people to think, the red herring. They don’t look scared, most times they don’t even look bothered.

407718 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to jhfreedom, 12, #1105 of 2062 🔗

They’ve found 147 cases of the SA variant since October, the fact that they keep getting the press to tell us how much more transmissable it is, the facts don’t match the propaganda.

Those in power are not worried about the variants, they are only keeping this going long enough to destroy the economy.

407731 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to jhfreedom, 17, #1106 of 2062 🔗

Basically they don’t want to lift lockdown because they are scared witless by these variants.

Or….
Basically they don’t want to lift lockdown, period , and are actively searching out still more bogus, over-egged variants to justify their draconian lockdown policy.

407809 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to jhfreedom, 3, #1107 of 2062 🔗

That would be the variants that don’t actually exist other than in the minds of the likes of Neil Ferguson.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/08/the-shaky-science-behind-the-deadly-new-strains-of-sars-cov-2/

407707 Nobody2021, 5, #1108 of 2062 🔗

Take this with a pinch of salt but it’s worth digging a bit deeper to try and verify the claims:

CDC Exposed : Inflated Covid Deaths By 1600% Throughout The Election, “Violated Multiple Federal Laws” Peer-Reviewed Study Finds…State, Local Governments Must Act

a new peer reviewed study has been released that finds the CDC numbers to be so wildly unsupported as to be pure propaganda that is based on wholly unscientific practices that were needlessly created on-the-spot.

407709 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1109 of 2062 🔗

Suppose the big annoucement will be if furlough is extended beyond April, if yes then no lifting of lockdown, if not…who knows?

407729 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1110 of 2062 🔗

Yep! I’ve posted about this a couple of times.

If he extends for another 3 months to July, you know that they know the economy is fucked. The Gov of the Bank of England suggesting a huge instant bounceback is living on an another planet.

407735 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1111 of 2062 🔗

It is already.

407747 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jo, 10, #1112 of 2062 🔗

Yes the economy is screwed no doubt about that. If we opened up, lowered taxes and encouraged people to go out and spend then it would help, the chances of any of that happening is not high!

407815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1113 of 2062 🔗

Yes, this is the only way out of the economic side of the shitshow, and it needs to happen no later than April or else.

407821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1114 of 2062 🔗

It is one of the resons why I do not like Sunak as chancellor he is very much a tax, tax, tax person.

407764 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jo, 3, #1115 of 2062 🔗

Indeed! But they won’t admit it.

407783 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1116 of 2062 🔗

In Ireland, the Social Welfare Minister is looking to extend the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) to “the summer”. It is currently set to expire at the end of March.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195776-number-of-people-receiving-pup-up-1-700-from-last-week/

407811 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1117 of 2062 🔗

Yes, the Irish have been sold a ‘pup’ all right.

407816 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #1118 of 2062 🔗

Remember a pup is not just for Xmas…

407712 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 46, #1119 of 2062 🔗

I’ve come up with a public health campaign with a catchy acronym

408037 ▶▶ DThom, replying to Johnsontown, #1120 of 2062 🔗

Needs a repetitive ad on the BBC!

407721 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 5, #1121 of 2062 🔗

Severe Mental Health Symptoms during COVID-19: A Comparison of the United Kingdom and Austria
This study evaluated severe psychological symptoms in the United Kingdom and Austria after four weeks of lockdown due to COVID-19. Two cross-sectional online surveys were performed with representative population samples according to age, gender, region, and education. Depressive symptoms were measured with the Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9), anxiety symptoms with the Generalized Anxiety Disorder scale (GAD-7), and insomnia symptoms with the Insomnia Severity Index (ISI). The sample size was N = 1005 for Austria (52% women) and N = 1006 (54% women) for the UK.

In total, 3.2% of the Austrian sample and 12.1% of the UK sample had severe depressive symptoms (PHQ-9 ≥ 20 points; χ 2 (1) = 57.24; p < 0.001), 6.0% in Austria vs. 18.9% in the UK had severe anxiety symptoms (GAD-7 ≥ 15 points; χ 2 (1) = 76.17; p < 0.001), and 2.2% in Austria and 7.3% in the UK had severe insomnia (ISI; ≥22 points; χ 2 (1) = 28.89; p < 0.001). The prevalence of severe depressive, anxiety or insomnia symptoms was around three times higher in the UK than in Austria.

https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/9/2/191

407732 ▶▶ Jo, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1122 of 2062 🔗

To be honest, I’m surprised the figures are not worse.

407738 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 5, #1123 of 2062 🔗

They probably are by now.

407745 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo, 3, #1124 of 2062 🔗

That’s for 4 weeks. Imagine what it’s like now – total catastrophe.

407758 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Jo, 2, #1125 of 2062 🔗

“To be honest, I’m surprised the figures are not worse.”

Now they are …

407724 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 44, #1126 of 2062 🔗

I have decided to have a break from here for the sake of my mental health. I had a break a couple of months back and it really helped. I have to get the balance right between keeping up with what is going on and feeding my depression which has hit rock bottom.
Last night I seriously contemplated suicide for the first time. That has really scared me because mostly I do cling to the expectation that this can’t last.
My biggest fear is for my adult children. One is a doctor working in ICU. When this all blew up last year I literally did not sleep because of my fear for him. This was at the stage we didn’t know how mild the disease generally is. His wife, also a doctor, caught the disease and was bad enough for him to be on the verge of taking her to hospital. He’s a trainee anaesthetist so well versed enough to know that she was in trouble. Luckily she pulled through and he never caught it from her. I believe, after that, they are both immune but have been persuaded to have the vaccine. That appointment comes up in March and is another thing I am desperately scared about. I keep hoping, selfishly, for some major bad reactions to come out so they decide not to have it. They are also in Northern Ireland which means I cannot see them. Even zoom calls are limited because of their shift patterns.
My younger son was on a zero hours contract in hospitality and of course has had no income at all for months. He lives with us so he is physically cared for but he has clinical depression and is not doing well so I am scared for him also.
When will this shit show end?
I really appreciate all your comments and will be back to catch up on them in a week or so.
Stay sane, folks.

407741 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to WasSteph, 4, #1127 of 2062 🔗

All the best.

407742 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to WasSteph, 7, #1128 of 2062 🔗

Take care of yourself WasSteph. These are hard times, but we’re here for you anytime. Hold on, and don’t give up.

407748 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to WasSteph, 7, #1129 of 2062 🔗

Take care and remember that the good will prevail, if it didn’t we would have been gone a long time ago!

407754 ▶▶ Jo, replying to WasSteph, 13, #1130 of 2062 🔗

I know exactly what you mean about the severe reactions coming to light – whilst we don’t want to see people suffer at the hands of big pharma, if sufficient people have bad reactions/die there is only so long it can be covered up, and then my younger friends won’t get it – I know a lot of older people who have recently had the vaccine. But no-one yet 2nd dose.
I think considering suicide is a normal, if unpleasant, reaction to what is going on. I seriously feel like that very often and have now come to terms with the fact that it is extremely likely that this will be the way that I go. Not feeling like that today, but if we reach a stage where I, as an unvaccinated person, cannot go anywhere, do I want to live like that? And be seen by others as a selfish disease spreader? I don’t think so.
I have considered moving somewhere more rural eg Dartmoor, which I know quite well, just to be able to spend time outside and not around people wearing masks, etc. But my partner won’t go and I feel it’s a big step to take alone.

408157 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jo, #1131 of 2062 🔗

Then your partner is a moron. Dump him as soon as you get the chance.

408602 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo, #1132 of 2062 🔗

Well I’m down that way and pretty much 100% compliance around here. You can just get lost on the moors though, and everything feels better.

407756 ▶▶ isobar, replying to WasSteph, 5, #1133 of 2062 🔗

Take care!

407761 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to WasSteph, 13, #1134 of 2062 🔗

Stepping back from the news sounds sensible. This site is a great place to find other people who are on the same page. But it’s also tempting to get sucked into the anger and the despair that we are feeling. It’s good to walk away from this forum when you need to, and to know that you can return. You have family and friends who love you and the world is also full of many good and generous people you don’t know. We are undergoing a traumatic upheaval to our society and that’s really hard to live through, especially for those of us who hate what we are seeing and are questioning the official narrative. Being a human being is tough at the best of times but it’s also a glorious adventure. Hang on in there. One day there will be joy and togetherness again.

407762 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 8, #1135 of 2062 🔗

Sorry to read this WSteph. If you ever want to venture to the other bit of Essex, you know where we are. kh

407765 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to WasSteph, 4, #1136 of 2062 🔗

Best thing to do for yourself, please take care.x

407784 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to WasSteph, 3, #1137 of 2062 🔗

Go out do all the things you you used to do before this shit show started. Be Free, Act free, Stay free. Goof luck

408008 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, #1138 of 2062 🔗

Good luck not Goof

407802 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to WasSteph, 2, #1139 of 2062 🔗

Sending hugs to you, I know how you feel as I have battled depression for many years and this situation is a severe test of it. My parents have recently taken the ‘vaccine’ and I’ve spent a few sleepless nights thinking about the side effects that could appear. I hope that you can have a few days away and just try and do things you enjoy and give you some semblance of normality.

407839 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to WasSteph, 3, #1140 of 2062 🔗

My first post on here for about a week as I needed to have a break, and so can empathise with your feelings. I found it helped just knowing that this community was here, full of people who see the world in much the same way as I do (even though I didn’t have any desire to interact with the site) – remember you are not alone.
Wishing you all the very best.

407853 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to WasSteph, 6, #1141 of 2062 🔗

Don’t fear for your boys, support and love them. They need you, even more in the future probably.
Hang in and I’ll buy you a coffee at Cafe KH. And a cake. There.

407918 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to WasSteph, 4, #1142 of 2062 🔗

I know it probably sounds trite but, a lot of us at some point have felt similar. You really are not alone. As a wise person said to me a while ago, ‘find your tribe & love them hard’. For many of us that will be family, close friends. So take some time with your family, as & when you can. For some of us the ‘tribe’ might well turn out to be here.. As Dr Coleman says, we will win this war.

408611 ▶▶ TJN, replying to WasSteph, #1143 of 2062 🔗

Take care Steph – it can be hard reading here every day, not because it’s not a great site with great opinions well expressed, but because it’s essentially passive, which over time maybe lets bad feeling a frustration build up. Lots of people are having a hard time right now (I think Jo Stahlin made a similar post to yours a couple of days ago), so you are not alone. Dr Time and fresh thoughts heal an awful lot.

407725 Jo, replying to Jo, 8, #1144 of 2062 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted, but those with some time on their hands might want to watch this.
https://vrevealed.com/covid/viewing/

It’s not just about the vaccine, but has interviews with three people, bloke who does The Highwire and Robert Kennedy JR and a scientist called Zach Bush.
It was on live last night and is the first of 9 progs. I read and listen to a lot of stuff so was familiar with a lot of the content but found it educational nonetheless.

Interestingly, talks about the vaccination prog in USA being in difficulties because over 50% of doctors there won’t take the vaccine themselves.

407757 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo, 4, #1145 of 2062 🔗

Dr Zach is very good, he is a Bush that you really can get on board with. has some good videos posted previously about the overall immune system, and also his thoughts about stuff like HIV.

408152 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1146 of 2062 🔗

Can find nothing about him being related to the Bush dynasty.

408169 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to FedupofLies, #1147 of 2062 🔗

tongue was firmly in cheek there, my friend! 🙂

407727 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1148 of 2062 🔗

Son still reckons Boris will resign April 21st. Not too sure why.

Me, I can’t seen it as that means he will have to go see queenie in person and I’m not sure she actually exists anymore – it’s been too long without any sort of meaningful appearance for her to be even remotely considered interested in this country or be in charge in any sort of way.

407749 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1149 of 2062 🔗

I wrote to her to intervene in this but I never got a response

407752 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1150 of 2062 🔗

Remember that broadcast that HMQ did more or less at the start of this shitshow, when she channeled the spirit of Vera Lynn? I somehow think that she thought we were made of stronger stuff than clearly we are. She somehow still has (had) a residual belief in a more stoic and brave nation.

408030 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1151 of 2062 🔗

But there were some strange messages in it that could be taken a few different ways depending on which word is stressed such as the phrase “for those that come after us” and some phrases she said that the WHO also sais in tehri TV advert about the same time.

408143 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to PhilipF, 1, #1152 of 2062 🔗

She and her son are traitors to the British People. They have failed to stand up to the greatest tyrannical threat of all time. And her son is in fact an eager participant in these crimes against humanity.

How anyone can defend them, I don’t know.

They do not fucking care about you. They just don’t.

407770 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1153 of 2062 🔗

Isn’t 21st April her birthday?

407778 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to kh1485, 5, #1154 of 2062 🔗

Yes, same day as Hitler’s.

407844 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1155 of 2062 🔗

What? And not be PM when all the G7 delegates arrive? Perhaps he has some other role in mind for himself on that occasion – master of all he surveys. Crashed economy, cowed citizens, a ruined society and all.

407914 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1156 of 2062 🔗

Why April 21st ?

408032 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1157 of 2062 🔗

No idea. Just what he’s told me a few times but no real answer from him.

408147 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Awkward Git, #1158 of 2062 🔗

So long as it isn’t some Qanon type thing.

407917 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1159 of 2062 🔗

HM has been sidelined. All part of the re set. I am sure Remembrance Day at the Cenotaph was at her insistence, even though it was a shadow of its former self. William and Kate on a train ride in Scotland in spite of Sturg-Un’s attempts to stop it. The Queen knows what’s going on

408149 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to silverbirch, #1160 of 2062 🔗

Well, she needs to find the stomach of a god-damned King as SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

No, she is a traitor.

408088 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Awkward Git, #1161 of 2062 🔗

That’s the Queen’s real birthday – she won’t want to entertain that sack of lard even if she hasn’t been “retired”.

407740 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 20, #1162 of 2062 🔗

It’s so easy to have your day ruined these days…

Just received an email from the managing agent of my block of flats, which concludes “ In the meantime, take care, be safe and stay well.”

FGS just F the F off!.

407744 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to PhilipF, 6, #1163 of 2062 🔗

What a twat!

407771 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1164 of 2062 🔗

COVID-19: The Great Reset (free.fr)

Just read page 1 of the introduction to Klaus’s book it’s all there in plain English:-

“Many of us are pondering when things will return to normal. The short response is: never. Nothing will ever return to the “broken” sense of normalcy that prevailed prior to the crisis because the coronavirus pandemic marks a fundamental inflection point in our global trajectory.”

He’s not mincing his worlds fair play to him.

“Radical changes of such consequence are coming that some pundits have referred to as “before coronavirus” (BC) and “after coronavirus” (AC) era. “

Got to give them there due for creativity BC and AC is quite genuis actually. Well played Doctor evil with that one.

“Outbreaks forced empires to change course – like the Byzantine Empire when struck by the Plague of Justinian in 541-542 – and some even to disappear altogether – when Aztec and Inca emperors died with most of their subjects from European germs….. The earliest forms of confinement came with the quarantines instituted in an effort to contain the Black Death that between 1347 and 1351 killed about a third of all Europeans.”

There he goes conflating deadly plagues with Coronavirus. Is he not tired of listening to his own bullshit by now???

407775 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1165 of 2062 🔗

Klaus is s a”nazi” baby with ss genes no doubt whilst the other evil twin Soros helped bung his fellow Jews on the trains in Budapest (he admitted that in an 80`s interview that keeps on getting swiped on youtube !)

407780 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 6, #1166 of 2062 🔗

Yes, and he seemed quite proud of himself for doing it. I can’t wait until he’s six feet under it looks like any day now.

407797 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1167 of 2062 🔗

Hopefully.

407776 ▶▶ Jo, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1168 of 2062 🔗

Quite. Coronavirus/Covid19 has superceded Christ.

407785 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1169 of 2062 🔗

“Totalitarianism is never content to rule by external means, namely, through the state and a machinery of violence; thanks to its peculiar ideology and the role assigned to it in this apparatus of coercion, totalitarianism has discovered a means of dominating and terrorizing human beings from within.” – Hannah Arendt

It’s disturbing that she has become so relevant of late.

408135 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JHUNTZ, #1170 of 2062 🔗

Austin Fitts points out in her Planet Lockdown interview that it is the Going Direct Reset meeting in late 2019 where all of this was really planned.

I think the Great Reset is more a PR thing.

407846 ▶▶ Mark, replying to nickbowes, 3, #1172 of 2062 🔗

Noises already made about shutting down even the remaining sliver of US mainstream conservative media. Excluding most political dissent is not enough – any remaining expression of conservative opinion is an “existential threat” to the nation, apparently.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tucker-carlson-slams-efforts-shut-025300769.html

407773 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1173 of 2062 🔗

There is a part of me that says the no holidays is more to do with Wancock’s variants backfiring on him, could it actually be so many countries actually do not want the people of the UK travelling to their countries?

407831 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1174 of 2062 🔗

Quite possibly, but also the government needs to keep pounds sterling in this country.

407915 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1175 of 2062 🔗

That was a major issue pre-1979. Freely-floating exchange rates from then on were presented as the price of joining the EU. Members had to allow the free movement of capital (and labour).

Are we going back to fixed exchange rates? I can’t see it. Devaluations were too politically painful for governments.

407777 bebophaircut, 2, #1176 of 2062 🔗

FEB 10 2021
https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/
The Great Reset – Are You A Globalist Citizen?
Must listen.

Reach PLC Great Britain Media Empire:
https://www.reachplc.com/our-newsbrands
Over 70 newspapers.Scroll down to the bottom of the page to read their

The news that they think needs to be in print might not be the same as yours.

407779 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 29, #1177 of 2062 🔗

seen on twitter – words fail me

407786 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #1178 of 2062 🔗

Haha. That picture pretty much sums up the ludicrous state of Britain today.

407787 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #1179 of 2062 🔗

I think this about sums up the logic of our situation for the last 11 months.

407793 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #1180 of 2062 🔗

They don’t say which coronavirus they mean; there are at least 7 of them, and 4 of them are the common cold.

407795 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Aslangeo, 6, #1181 of 2062 🔗

Why is it only people on LS can see the stupidity of the signs?

407801 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Aslangeo, 3, #1182 of 2062 🔗

The 2011 Influenza Pandemic Prep.Plan which was to be used for all pandemics specifically recommended only testing those people wuth symptoms and medical staff.

407910 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Aslangeo, #1183 of 2062 🔗

Says it all.

407789 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 3, #1184 of 2062 🔗

Yesterday on here someone mentioned StandupX organizing a demo in London some time in March. But there’s nothing on their website. Anyone know anything about this? Or is it just a rumour?

407834 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to mattghg, 1, #1185 of 2062 🔗

I posted something, Mattghg. The information came from the StandupX twitter feed. There’s also mention of it on Telegram. Don’t know why there is nothing on their main website. The demo is set for 20th March.

407842 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nymeria, #1186 of 2062 🔗

Thanks Nymeria.

407848 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to mattghg, #1187 of 2062 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

407850 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1188 of 2062 🔗

And it better bloody be on, because I bought my train ticket to London, last night.

408203 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Nymeria, #1189 of 2062 🔗

I’m going.

408343 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nymeria, #1190 of 2062 🔗

More or less the anniversary of the start of this madness. Hopefully it will be big.

407790 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 18, #1191 of 2062 🔗

I keep hearing confident talk about reopening the economy and getting a boom in consumer spending. Consumer spending isn’t the issue, it’s the destruction of capital. We have clients that have taken out Bounce Back Loans to prop up their business and have now exhausted the funds because nobody imagined that lockdown would keep going. So not only has accumulated capital been exhausted but also newly introduced capital too. All the funny money and consumer spending in the world isn’t going to dig us out of this hole

407799 ▶▶ smithey, replying to CrazyHoarse, 2, #1192 of 2062 🔗

Also, assuming businesses manage to survive there will be a drag on growth as paying off bounce back loans and rebuilding reserves is going to put a break on the speed which companies will be able to expand.

407929 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to smithey, 4, #1193 of 2062 🔗

Unless there are guarantees that lockdown will not happen again, I can see a collapse in investment and innovation. Who is going to start or expand a business knowing that government can not only shut you down arbitrarily, but equally can arbitrarily introduce rules that destroy your business model or cause you to incur huge unrecoverable costs.

408127 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to redbirdpete, #1194 of 2062 🔗

By then half the population will be dead and the other half hooked up to a universal basic income/social credit system by way of 5G and nanotechologies that will have been injected into their bodies. Point is, I shouldn’t worry about it.

407812 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to CrazyHoarse, 5, #1195 of 2062 🔗

Productive capital has been destroyed at the same time as the Bank of England has been compliantly counterfeiting/printing money without limit to pay for whatever the government wants. This banana republic economics can only end with us resembling a banana republic – think Zimbabwe, Venezuela.

408131 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to PhilipF, #1196 of 2062 🔗

Wrong! It won’t be ANYTHING like as free as Venezuela. You will be told where you can go and if you leave a radius you will be arrested or your money won’t work.

407798 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 18, #1197 of 2062 🔗

Well, I managed a good run of not breaking down in tears since October but I just had a bout of crying.

The government have murdered a nation. And I did nothing.

407814 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Ed Phillips, 7, #1198 of 2062 🔗

Wrong. You did nothing yet . This is a long game.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

407871 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Ed Phillips, 12, #1199 of 2062 🔗

You stayed true to your values in your own head when faced with an unprecedented onslaught of propaganda and social pressure. That’s not nothing – it’s a lot.

407800 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 20, #1200 of 2062 🔗

After making my video yesterday about lost childhood, I’ve made another today about police brutality in the UK:

https://youtu.be/s-NeQsfGXTw

Who will protect us from the police?

407808 ▶▶ PWL, replying to John Galt, #1201 of 2062 🔗

We will. In our own common law jurisdictions. It’s won’t happen overnight, but it has to happen.

Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown

407803 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #1202 of 2062 🔗

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1359176037662396421

TalkRadio has come in for quite a lot of (justified, imo) criticism for its equivocation on lockdown and masks, but this was mostly very good from Mark Dolan.

I would criticise the spineless virtue signalling (or backside-covering) of: “of course we must obey the rules”, and disagree with the brief bit of vaccine-worship, but the basic thrust is absolutely correct:

the message going forward has to be clear: never again

407810 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Mark, 11, #1203 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely. The Public Health 1984 act has to be repealed, so that never again can Parliament enact such legislation as the Coronavirus regulations, without full agreement and oversight of Parliament.

408022 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1204 of 2062 🔗

I think the Statutory Instruments Act 1946 needs revoked so no S.I.s can be implemented in future.

407804 PWL, replying to PWL, 7, #1205 of 2062 🔗

So, I really don’t know what’s up with you lot if you think this is ok:

Prof Andrew Pollard [ one of the good guys in the coming battle for freedom from lockdown] , the head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, was much more upbeat about the opportunity to lift restrictions provided by the vaccines.

The vaccines don’t do anything. Except the 10s of thousands of adverse reactions according to the Yellow Card reporting, including causing enough people to drop down dead for it to be suspicious (and more to come on that) – though it still doesn’t constitute a cull.

No UK Government Vaccine Triumph Suggests No Culling Of The Over-80s, Actually

407813 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 11, #1206 of 2062 🔗

I think many of us don’t think it’s OK – for many reasons

Even if the vaccine was 100% safe and worked a bit, it’s not the answer to pandemics or getting out of lockdowns

The answer is not to have any more lockdowns

407822 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Julian, -7, #1207 of 2062 🔗

So why do you people keep this obvious Judas goat operation in business?

407843 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 8, #1208 of 2062 🔗

I think Judas is unfair and inaccurate, but anyway it’s hardly a business – just a convenient place to share views and information and to vent/get moral support

We’ve been critical of the editorial line recently

Just because we use this site doesn’t mean we endorse all of TY’s views

407840 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PWL, 6, #1209 of 2062 🔗

So, I really don’t know what’s up with you lot if you think this is ok

Still insulting the posters here, I see:

If you sustain Lockdownsceptics.org in its operation in any shape or form, you are a fool.

https://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/01/new-study-acknowledges-increased-levels-of-ace2-as-factor-in-contracting-covid-19-who-will-take-any-notice/

Why do you come here to post links to your own stuff? Struggling for traffic?

407806 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 5, #1210 of 2062 🔗

Another staggeringly awful ad from the NHS:

https://youtu.be/8kHYUq0_0YQ

407860 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to The Covid Kid, 5, #1211 of 2062 🔗

They’ve got no other work now

407907 ▶▶ mj, replying to The Covid Kid, 6, #1212 of 2062 🔗

i was going to make a comment about sir Elton and a prick but you’ve all already beaten me to it .

408258 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to mj, #1213 of 2062 🔗

An Elton John oldie but goodie ‘Don’t let your son go down on me’

408077 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #1214 of 2062 🔗

IF we get through this , and I mean, IF , can we PLEASE stop giving so much credence to god-damn singers and actors.

It may well be one of the bizarre features of this age, the fact that people pay so much attention to these people.

408508 ▶▶ isobar, replying to The Covid Kid, #1215 of 2062 🔗

Would rather have had Michael Caine say. “ You were only supposed to blow the bloody masks off”

407807 stephenhoffman, replying to stephenhoffman, 9, #1216 of 2062 🔗

Looks like your health secretary Matt Himmler—I mean Matt Hancock—is turning Britain into a penal colony. As an American child of parents with close connections to the British Isles, I grew up idolizing Britain. It felt so boring to be stuck in such an “uncivilized” part of the world as America. Now I just count my blessings.

407838 ▶▶ smithey, replying to stephenhoffman, 11, #1217 of 2062 🔗

As a Brit still living in the UK I think I will have to go to America and claim refugee status

408075 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to smithey, #1218 of 2062 🔗

I’m not sure of the rules but I thought you can’t leave. If you can I suggest you move fast to a farmstead in Idaho.

Hard Authoritarianism is just round the corner, and mandatory vaccines with closed borders.

407820 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 10, #1219 of 2062 🔗

OH and I are trying to get on with our lives as much as we possibly can, all things considered.

What is driving us both mad at the moment are the ridiculous rules which just don’t make sense.

For example, if OH was an angler, he could sit on his backside, fishing for six hours, because the government considers that to be exercise, but he can’t walk round a golf course for a game of golf, even on his own. The golf courses in Wee Kranky land are still open however, but limited to two-balls.

An angler is presumably allowed to sit on the ground or on his own chair, in order to exercise, but walkers are not allowed to sit on benches, or presumably on their own folding chairs for a few minutes, to rest.

The ‘attended’ automatic car wash is open. The men squirt the wheels and use a brush to get the dirt off at the back and front of the car. We have just made a non essential journey to use it. Our usual ‘by hand’ car wash is closed, even though our windows would remain closed throughout the process and the men use a brush to clean off the worst of the dirt.

See what I mean?

407825 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 9, #1220 of 2062 🔗

Very little makes sense and as far as I can tell, it’s deliberate. As they say about army basic training, “Bullshit Baffles Brains”.

407827 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 2, #1221 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I’ve cancelled my golf membership for this same reason. Can’t be arsed with it all. I might take up fishing again

407920 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Margaret, 4, #1222 of 2062 🔗

I think its done deliberately to increase peoples’ insecurity.

407823 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1223 of 2062 🔗

It mystifies me, why the government want to look so inept, incompetent, bungling, when normally, you would try to project a feeling of total efficiency, rather than having to keep back tracking, blundering on. Its not normal to give out conflicting messages every day and look like blithering idiots.

407833 ▶▶ smithey, replying to DanClarke, 14, #1224 of 2062 🔗

I know. I think we are long past the point where this situation can be put down to incompetence.

407874 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to smithey, 4, #1225 of 2062 🔗

I have worked with people in the past where they act exactly as per the government and yet they really believe they are doing a good job. They take all their belief probably from someone saying “keep going, well done”, and so they keep going. Their belief is so strong they cannot see how stupid they are behaving and look.

408069 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1226 of 2062 🔗

FFS, don’t you read these comment sections.

It is a psychological technique, carrot and stick, that is used on populations to get them to comply.

The Hard Authoritarianism is round the corner.

The politicians are taking their orders from the Trilateral Commission and the Going Reset Bankers who Austin Fitts talks about. They couldn’t care less about re-election, because they know or at last suspect that this is the end of that kind of democracy as we know it. They think, rightly or not, that they will go off with their cash and not have to take the mandatory gene therapy paving the way for the insertion of nanotechnologies that hook up populations up to a social credit cloud.

407824 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1227 of 2062 🔗

DT (live feed):

MPs will not be given a chance to vote on the controversial new rules that could see travellers who try to evade coronavirus quarantine rules get 10-year jail sentences, Downing Street has confirmed.

The rules will be brought in under existing legislation – something which was feared by Tory backbenchers as it means they will not have a say.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “If people failed to abide by the rules and inaccurately or purposefully didn’t fill in the relevant documentation properly they would be charged under the forgery act which includes lying on forms.

“We’re using existing legislation under the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 so there’s no requirement for a vote.”

This morning Grant Shapps said MPs would be allowed to vote on the measures as part of the regular reviews

The Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981? FFS!

407832 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1228 of 2062 🔗

Will this open the minds of MP’s as to them being sidelined again?

407854 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1229 of 2062 🔗

Maybe for some. I suspect the majority are enjoying the time off, though.

407986 ▶▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1230 of 2062 🔗

There is no point having a Parliament, superfluous to requirements now.

407836 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1231 of 2062 🔗

Update on a previous posting relevant to yours.
Travel industry hits back on holiday ban, but they seem to be in favour of ‘vaccine passports’ (see article below)
Readers comments are vastly critical of the 10 year sentence (see best rated comment below). Second best rated comment is pertinent to the political hit the tories seem to be taking on this almost 10 to 1 in terms of lost votes.

This is the article in question:

‘Can you stop 40m vaccinated Brits going on holiday?’ Travel industry turns on Grant Shapps as he kills off hopes of foreign AND UK breaks this year – while PM warns of booster jabs in the Autumn and refuses to say all schools will return on Mar 8’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9243979/Lord-Sumption-blasts-inhumane-10-year-jail-terms-travellers.html

Best rated readers comment 5530 upticks 389 downticks

“That’s a higher sentence than serious GBH or even killing someone. It’s ridiculous”

Second best 4012 upticks 482 downticks

“Totally agree, conservatives have lost my local and national vote.”

407852 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 10, #1232 of 2062 🔗

The travel industry are just acting as per the majority of the population, to scared to say no measures hence their support for a vaccine passport. They are their own worse enemy, all they need to do is say no.

407856 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1233 of 2062 🔗

Agree totally

407862 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1234 of 2062 🔗

Maybe start saying that healthy human beings have this remarkable thing called…

…an immune system?

Nah, way too easy, no money in it either…

408060 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to awildgoose, #1235 of 2062 🔗

I haven’t seen Sunetra Gupta in ages. Guessing she has just given up.

407893 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 7, #1236 of 2062 🔗

Bit like the pub industry that refused to stand up to the smoking ban. They started going bust when the punters left. They are their own worst enemy.

407909 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 4, #1237 of 2062 🔗

So many of the industry groups could stand up to this but they will not.

408065 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1238 of 2062 🔗

They will get their payoffs.

As for the family owned and such, they are filthy cowards who deserve to go under.

I was looking for pubs and such to support during this time but there was nothing open.

I also stopped going to a Chinese restaurant because they went far and beyond what was necessary and started treated me like dirt for wanting to purchase their food.

408057 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1239 of 2062 🔗

They’ve all been paid off.

The travel industry WILL survive but it will be for those who are high level corporate who orbit the billionaire class or who are themselves billionaires.

Many will just get fat with payoffs in their million dollar farmhouses in the Cotswolds.

So long as the fat cats get their payoff.

408228 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1240 of 2062 🔗

Not all of the travel industry are scared. These guys are 100% getting my business if we ever get to travel again.
https://tradewindstravel.co.uk/

407858 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 5, #1241 of 2062 🔗

Could the PM have been compromised???

408066 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DanClarke, #1242 of 2062 🔗

What sort of compromised? Having an affair doesn’t cut it these days.

408071 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DanClarke, #1243 of 2062 🔗

They have pictures of him in blackface?

407864 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1244 of 2062 🔗

Just thinking.

What goes around comes around.

If the government has suspended the democratic framework, then the populace isn’t bound by that democratic framework – because it doesn’t exist now.

Thus we have no obligation (only coercion) to regard any ‘laws’ or ‘regulations’ cooked up under this scam. The contract has been voided.

Simple.

407956 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 1, #1245 of 2062 🔗

Well said

407826 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1246 of 2062 🔗

Somebody posted this late last night, it does seem to conenct the dots as to why all are destroying their economies. It’s a little dry but if you skip to the end you will see the link between lockdowns and introducing the Digital SDR.

IMF Plan To Replace Bitcoin/Gold/Dollar With Digital SDR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEiqxqlZ_QA

407847 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1247 of 2062 🔗

Nah mate, all just a big coincidence…total happenstance…

407943 ▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1248 of 2062 🔗

The SDR is a weighted basket of currencies that would act like a reserve currency, backing a CBDC: Dollar, Euro, Yen, Renminbi, Sterling.

IMFCoin?

This paper looks detailed and I’ve only skimmed parts so far.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Policy-Papers/Issues/2020/10/17/Digital-Money-Across-Borders-Macro-Financial-Implications-49823

(A link to pdf is on the web page.)

DIGITAL MONEY ACROSS BORDERS: MACROFINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS
October 2020

Page 10:

Central banks have yet to issue CBDCs but many are seriously considering it. A recent survey of central banks in 21 advanced and 45 emerging market economies conducted by the BIS (Boar and others, 2020) indicates that approximately 80 percent are engaging in work related to CBDC and 40 percent have already progressed from analytical studies to experiments or proofs of concept. As far as motives for issuing CBDC, while they vary across countries, according to the aforementioned report the main ones include:

(i) providing an alternative to cash and ensuring that the public has access to a state-guaranteed means of payment;

(ii) reducing the cost of handling cash in countries with vast or inaccessible territories;

(iii) promoting financial inclusion, particularly for the unbanked population;

(iv) improving the efficiency and safety of domestic, and especially cross-border, payments. The potential global adoption of stablecoins issued by Big Techs could also be contributing to the interest in CBDC.

Finally, in the wake of COVID-19, CBDC is being contemplated as a means to enable the swift disbursement of government support to households and firms, and as a means of payment more hygienic than cash and consistent with the need for social distancing (Auer, Cornelli, and Frost, 2020)

They appear to have forgotten to list total control of privacy and spending power.

407968 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 2, #1249 of 2062 🔗

THe SDR is only as good as its components.

….and we know their situation.

408301 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1250 of 2062 🔗

Thanks for this – great video.

407830 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1251 of 2062 🔗

This sounds more like testing the water to see what the public are willing to accept. My guess is that there will be very little pushback thus keeping the door open to even more OTT penalties. “reflects the seriousness of the crime” indeed.

Covid-19: 10-year jail term for travel lies defended

 A maximum 10-year jail term for lying about recent travel history has been defended by the government.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said the British public “would expect pretty strong action” and the maximum sentence reflects the seriousness of the crime.

407857 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1252 of 2062 🔗

Many months ago, my cousin told me about this in NZ. People were kept in ex army barracks, with guards and one day, someone ‘escaped’ and people were shocked, but luckily after a while he was ‘captured’. Her words, pretty shocking how quickly that came about.

407888 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1253 of 2062 🔗

Yes, it’s a case of ”The floggings will continue till morale improves”.

407889 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #1254 of 2062 🔗

Just under six years ago, in my town, a teenaged, unlicensed, uninsured driver jumped a red light while racing and hit another car. It was cut in two, and the driver died. The teenager had filmed himself driving at 142mph the night before. What wasn’t in the papers was that he tried to flee in a taxi, the taxi was going to take him, but a woman resident stood in front of the taxi and stopped him. Jail sentence? Six years.

407955 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1255 of 2062 🔗

Once again this brings up my concern about the abandonment of proportionality exemplified by this misuse of the law and sentencing.

What has become of appropriate justifiable legislation? Replaced by back-of-the-fag-packet and frankly ridiculous punishments and legal sophistry.

All this indicates that the gang of nutters in charge of the asylum are fundamentally unsure of the legitimacy of project fear, hence the control creep,the slippery evasions and the cancellation of informed dissent.

408024 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 1, #1256 of 2062 🔗

Quite simply, WendyK, they will have their way, whatever it takes.

408035 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1257 of 2062 🔗

And one day, they’ll pay for it .One can but hope

408151 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1258 of 2062 🔗

Round here recently a cop on a motorbike doing a training exercise was doing 120Mph in a 30, a woman who was a carer for an old lady (91) looked both ways and moved out slowly.

Unfortunately she didn’t have the eye sight of a buzzard and didn’t move fast enough. The cop her her, killed the old lady and himself.

The police tried to charge the driver with causing death by dangerous driving.

It went to court and they I think found that it wasn’t the lady’s fault as the cop was going at 120 MPH. I don’t think she got any apology. I remember at the time there were “cries” in the press at how this lady carelessly murdered the cop.

407835 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 40, #1259 of 2062 🔗

After a lengthy absence, spent in trying not to think or read about F…ng Covid, I’ll treat the weary sceptics to my invitation to have the jab experience:
letter received 2 days ago, supplying my NHS user name and date- this coming Friday.

Accompanying leaflet full of predictably upbeat blurb, plus advice in letter about using website to rearrange, opt out or find info.

Several exasperating attempts later, I finally logged in to search for the opt out link, which, surprise, surprise, does not exist.

The only option was to rearrange the appointment date, followed by a helpful list of centres many mikes away.

The other option was to call the free helpline: a lengthy recorded spiel ensued, delivered by a male version of Miss Jean Brodie.

This was followed up with the message that I was no 116 in the queue!

What a farce; the website does not provide the opt out function given in the letter and the helpline is not fit for purpose.

So, no show on Friday for me.

Now I read with growing despondency and disgust about 10 year prison sentences, costly hotel quarantines, big brother creep ,zero covid and vaccination passports.

We are now being managed by power crazed politicians, whose hubris far outweighs their competence, integrity and plausibility, and an equally distasteful cabal of Dr Fu Manchu academics, joyfully predicting the need for yo yo lockdowns interspersed with brief sojourns in a pallid simulation of normal life.

Young men here are using masks as an excuse for frankly uncouth behaviour: yesterday I walked past a sinister young bloke who works in our local supermarket: black hoodie, black mask and beady eyed stare as I briefly made eye contact.

The fat bloke next door goes out in bank robber chic , again all in black.

Thus human behavioural norms continue to deteriorate.

I’m so utterly fed up with this suspended animation and I now take succour in reading the wonderful evocative nature stories of Henry Williamson.

Living below the radar now seems to be the only option for me and many other heretics.

407859 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to wendyk, 6, #1260 of 2062 🔗

Fantastic! (Although I think references to Fu Manchu might get you in trouble with the woke police?) I should give Henry Williamson a whirl. Myself, I’m enjoying novels of 1930s English village life… this country certainly used to be a more pleasant place… (or is that “toxic nostalgia”?)

407886 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #1261 of 2062 🔗

I’m watching ”Mapp and Lucia” and reading ”The Lord Of The Rings” for the Nth time. At least I can have a couple of hours sleep after that escapism.

But, like you, I watch people living normally, and it does bring a lump to my throat. Last Saturday I watched ”The Saturday Morning Pictures” on ”Talking Pictures” – and to see all those happy, carefree children bouncing around in crowds, and running and pushing and laughing…. yes, as you say, it’s almost ”toxic nostalgia”, isn’t it?

407904 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Banjones, 1, #1262 of 2062 🔗

The 1980s Mapp and Lucia or the 2014 one? I’ve only seen the latter which I did enjoy. I’ve pretty much given up on the BBC but there was a period not so long ago when they did make a handful of decent things – I liked Wolf Hall. I also return to Tolkien frequently. I have listened countless times to the BBC 4 adaptation of the Lord of the Rings. Ditto the radio plays of “Dance to the Music of Time” – you can download these somewhere online.

407925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #1263 of 2062 🔗

Yes, at least we’re fortunate in having all this choice (unless They take it away because we’re enjoying it too much). The BBC did some excellent stuff, and some you can find on Youtube.
When all this hoo-ha began, I found ”Survivors” on Youtube (BBC?) and the plot seemed a little too close for comfort, but that’s when we didn’t know that 99.8 per cent of us would survive this ”plague”. ”Enemy At The Door” has a strange resonance too…
I usually escape to the 19th century in contemporaneous novels and travel writings. Watching things that are reminiscent of my own lifetime when things were good makes me sad.
(The 1980s M&L – but I think I liked the 2014 portrayal better.)

407928 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #1264 of 2062 🔗

Toxic has become all embracing now methinks. But Henry Williamson’s tales are wonderful; indicative of a deep love and appreciation of the English countryside and its many creatures and refreshingly devoid of sentimentality.

Nature unadorned, both resplendent and indifferent to suffering.

407873 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to wendyk, 6, #1265 of 2062 🔗

Why even bother to respond? It’s unsolicited, after all.

407924 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Banjones, 3, #1266 of 2062 🔗

True and I can’t respond, so it will be a no show

407932 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to wendyk, 3, #1267 of 2062 🔗

And they’d only have demanded you wear a muzzle anyway. You’re better out of the system.
(Though I must go to the dentist soon – it fills me with dread, as I simply cannot wear anything on my face. The idea of an embarrassing tussle in an attempt to fight my corner against even dental authority, sickens me.)

407940 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Banjones, 5, #1268 of 2062 🔗

You don’t have to; I had my regular check and scale and polish last Friday without any bother.

I wear the exempt lanyard and my dentist commented favourably but thought it a pity that such adornments are necessary.

I recommend the lanyard, as it saves an awful lot of bother and occasionally encourages secret sceptics to ask how to get one.

Dentists are entirely supportive in my experience, as are GPs and opticians.

407977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to wendyk, 2, #1269 of 2062 🔗

Yes, I do wear one, just in case. And I never muzzle-up to go shopping. So of course I’ll stick to my guns – I just didn’t want any raised eyebrows – I’m so sensitive at the moment even that would be a trigger!
Thanks for your reassurance.

408033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Banjones, 1, #1270 of 2062 🔗

Me too! Increasingly irritable and anxious, but don’t miss your dental appointment.

Dentistry is a crucial service and I think most dentists are sick and tired of the plastic mountain and endless rules.

408211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to wendyk, #1271 of 2062 🔗

Haven’t been to the dentist or GP but from this weeks experience A&E departments are not supportive even if you wear one and then have a panic attack and need to remove it!

408125 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, 3, #1272 of 2062 🔗

I went to see mine last night. I told the receptionist that I cannot wear a mask. SO they booked my in at the end of the day so I wouldn’t come into contact with anybody or so they could fumigate the surgery after my visit or some such shit.

Anyway, no problems, the dentist and helper wore a FN as usual and the dentist had a visor on…Insane I know but well they are dentists, they like that sort of thing.

Good news is, toothy pegs are in A1 shape. Phew.

408480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1273 of 2062 🔗

My mum used to call them “toothy pegs” when I was small. I haven’t heard that for many a long year so thanks for making me smile!

407911 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to wendyk, 8, #1274 of 2062 🔗

I call it the male Niqab, walking around all in black + hoodies, with only their eye peering out of their black face covering, Isis style, very intimidating if you are a woman and you pass one of these guys at night.

407921 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to liztr835, 8, #1275 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely; I’ve felt decidedly uncomfortable recently: masks are encouraging rudeness at best ,and an intimidating demeanour atworst.

407837 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 18, #1276 of 2062 🔗

I’ve just been thinking about the travel bans.

All the people who took holidays over the last year, including Grant Shapps and Piers Morgan to name just two, must surely have blood on their hands.

407855 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #1277 of 2062 🔗

I’ve been thinking too £1750 pp, kids go free? Kids get two weeks extra off school for quarrantine time or will parents have action taken against them for keeping children out of school. Half term is two weeks, hard to fit in a two week break and a good lengthy stay in a ripoff hotel.
Why isnt camping an option? Open a field, bit of barb and bobs your uncle ‘easy-quarrantine’ the no frills of quarrantine.

Every one of them attempting to bring this is needs to be tried in my view.

407896 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Basics, 2, #1278 of 2062 🔗

Well camping is easy to escape from would be my guess. All those tunnels into neighbouring fields under hedges, dismantling dry stone walls.

407941 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 6, #1279 of 2062 🔗

Couldn’t we set up a Lockdownsceptics campground if ever we’re ”allowed” to go out and about in the UK?
Surely one of us has a field to spare? A few thunderboxes – and bingo!

407981 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Banjones, 3, #1280 of 2062 🔗

I’ve a campervan, but not a field unfortunately but it probably wouldn’t be too hard to find a sceptic farmer with a spare field for a few shekels!
I’d be there in a jiffy!!

408468 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Banjones, #1281 of 2062 🔗

I suggested something similar a few weeks ago but mainly I was thinking of a ‘campaign’ event so that all us dissenters (or as many as could cope with a few days under canvas), could actually get to meet each other. This site is invaluable but nothing beats good old social interaction; remember that?
Annie said she has a field with sea views. I have a lot of fields (and hills) round me but sadly they don’t belong to me.

407870 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1282 of 2062 🔗

And surely they’re the only ones of the type that are ”allowed” to travel at the moment. Isn’t travel ”illegal” for everyone else?
So who will fill these so-called quarantine hotels since we peasants can’t go anywhere?

407861 Banjones, 12, #1283 of 2062 🔗

With every day that passes, it becomes more obvious why someone completely unqualified in terms of education or experience in Health matters – ie Hancock – should be chosen as ”Health Secretary”.

It’s because the end game is nothing to do with the well-being of the nation. He’s just the warm-up act, so it doesn’t actually matter that he has no idea what he’s talking about, or that it’s obvious he’s just a useful idiot. The ”science” surrounding a virus is of little matter and will make no difference to the agenda. It’s only one weapon in the arsenal.

Many of us have felt this for a long time now. Surely there are more coming around to our way of thinking, or have they been the boiling frogs? Did we few jump out just in time?

407863 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 47, #1284 of 2062 🔗

I remain concerned that LS is slipping into the vaccine fly trap.

LS’s focus on vaccine efficacy means you are drawn inexorably into the logic of the Government’s narrative.

It’s not surprising that LS ends up calling soft cop Prof Pollard “a good guy”. Well what has this good guy Pollard been telling us about lockdowns and masking?

“Life will not return to normal until July next year at the earliest, the head of the University of Oxford’s vaccine trial said.
Prof Andrew Pollard said social distancing rules would still need to be followed even if a jab became available because there would be a delay in building up widespread immunity.
He told the Daily Mail : “Life won’t be back to normal until summer at the earliest. We may need masks until July.”
“If we end up with a vaccine that’s effective in preventing the disease, that is by far the best way to control the virus. But in the medium term, we’ll still need better treatments.
“When does life get back to normal? Even if we had enough vaccine for everyone, in my view it’s unlikely that we’re going to very rapidly be in a position where the physical distancing rules can be just dropped.”

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/uk-vaccine-chief-andrew-pollard-says-normal-life-will-not-return-until-next-summer-1.1093353

So Pollard is condemning young people to over a year of having their lives ruined – not being able to play football, socialise, learn the guitar or piano face to face with a tutor, not able to visit granny etc etc.

And and the idea of mandatory masking carrying on for another six months minimum is appalling.

This is totally unacceptable for a virus that hasn’t killed 99.8% of us and in the main has only succeeded in killing people who were already close to death.

Advocates of lockdowns and masking, people like Pollard, are destroying our health. our economy, our education system, our culture, our family life and our youth. They should be strongly opposed and criticised by LS not lauded as “good guys”.

407872 ▶▶ stevie, replying to OKUK, 12, #1285 of 2062 🔗

Three weeks to flatten the curve

407913 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to stevie, 7, #1286 of 2062 🔗

Now that’s what we should all have as car stickers / window stickers.

407879 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to OKUK, 9, #1287 of 2062 🔗

head of the Oxford Vaccine Group and one of the good guys

Now there’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever read one.

407885 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 13, #1288 of 2062 🔗

Thanks OKUK; great post. I’m getting more fed up with the ATL articles as each day goes by.

Advocates of lockdowns and masking, people like Pollard, are destroying our health. our economy, our education system, our culture, our family life and our youth. They should be strongly opposed and criticised by LS not lauded as “good guys”.

Hear. hear!

407897 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to OKUK, 5, #1289 of 2062 🔗

Well said, indeed!

408126 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to OKUK, 1, #1290 of 2062 🔗

Totally with you m8. On one of the bitchute clips, the doctor says ‘experimental biological agents’ not vaccines. We should follow her example.

408549 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to OKUK, -1, #1291 of 2062 🔗

Toby and his lot are primarily xenophobic Brexiters.
The vaccine nationalism and perceived British advantage is far too enticing for them to pass up on it.
At least they don’t regard the lockdown, infections, deaths stuff as the international p*ssing Contest that drives Johnson&co and all other governments but Sweden&co.

408564 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JayBee, #1292 of 2062 🔗

I think there is an element of that – and I say that as a strong Brexiter myself. I have absolutely no interest in “vaccine nationalism”.

407866 stevie, replying to stevie, -7, #1293 of 2062 🔗

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1396060/Oxford-vaccine-safe-WHO-latest-covid-UK-Macron-astrazenca-vn

Take that Macron! WHO says Oxford vaccine IS safe for over-65s – French slander backfiresTHE World Health Organisation (WHO) has recommended the coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University for over 65s.

407877 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stevie, 8, #1294 of 2062 🔗

Yeah, Macron; stop trying to NOT kill your oldies! Have you forgotten your orders?

407887 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1295 of 2062 🔗

I see your point, but I think you are being far too generous to Macron if you think he is being driven by concern for ageing French folk.

407898 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Charlie Blue, #1296 of 2062 🔗

Depends on who his voter base is
if the Grannys were all voting for LePen they would be vaxxed within weeks

407900 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, #1297 of 2062 🔗

Gawd, I know he’s not!

It was supposed to be a joke. I was replying in the style that the Express normally uses in their headlines.

407990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1298 of 2062 🔗

Apologies, Ceriain. I regret that I have never read the Express so it went over my head.

408044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Charlie Blue, #1299 of 2062 🔗

No apology necessary, CB. 🙂

I don’t read the Express either; I just look at the headlines and laugh my head off. 😉

407899 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to stevie, 1, #1300 of 2062 🔗

Don’t you think there are greater issues than anglo-french rivalry?

407908 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peyrole, #1301 of 2062 🔗

I think he was pointing out the ridiculousness of the Express’s headline. At least, I hope he was.

407868 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1302 of 2062 🔗

It’s obvious (to me, at least) that the 10 year jail sentence bollocks is merely a precursor to making vaccines mandatory.

Handjob is saying the quarantine hotels are necessary to protect the public health, ditto the jail sentences for ‘avoiders’.

It, therefore, follows that not taking the vax is just as big a ‘crime’ and must be made mandatory to protect the country.

408029 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1303 of 2062 🔗

A 10 year jail sentence for refusing the vaccine sounds about right for the insane mentality that is currently enslaving us. Why fuck about with minor inconveniences like no access to money, work, public services and public spaces when they can go for the big enchilada?

Plus they can create a new economic sector to boost recovery whilst they are at it: concentration camps. And they will have a captive population of inmates for slave labour and medical experimentation. Everyone’s a winner!

408541 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 1, #1304 of 2062 🔗

I’ll chose a Swedish or Tanzanian prison then.

407869 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #1305 of 2062 🔗

On the back of Hancock’s success at using the Fraud and Counterfeiting Act to enact ten year prison sentances for incorrect form filling, the Environment Agency have now announced that they are happy to introduce legislation to bolster public recycling to help the environment and combat climate change.

From now on, anybody placing items in incorrect recycling bins will be subject to a maximum penalty of £50,000 or five years imprisonment.

When challenged about the harshness of such a move on well meaning individuals, it was pointed out that improper recycling was akin to fly tipping, and as such. the penalties were already warranted under the Environmental Protection Act 1990.

Same thing as Hancock’s doing really.

407884 ▶▶ mj, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #1306 of 2062 🔗

can also use that for the heinous littering crime of old ladies feeding pigeons , or when they get global warming thing going fully , polluting the air with a gas boiler

407902 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1307 of 2062 🔗

Lying about where one has been is neither fraud nor counterfeiting.

407905 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #1308 of 2062 🔗

And where are the hazardous waste bins for the disposal of these HUGELY toxic, heavily contaminated, very effective Chinese paper muzzles that, after all, if properly used should be disposed of after each wearing, and only handled with rubber gloves.

What a sick joke.

407957 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1309 of 2062 🔗
407881 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 55, #1310 of 2062 🔗

Just saw this Facebook post from someone who works in psychology. The damage being done is incalculable:

Just a few of the things my younger clients (aged 13-18) have said this week. It’s utterly bleak.

There’s no point planning for a job
I don’t care about getting a flat, it’s not going to happen anyway
Why can’t I see my friends?
I don’t want to get up anymore
Nothing has any enjoyment anymore
I’m fed up
I feel like killing myself
I can’t even kill myself because it’ll just make others sad, I’m totally trapped
I’m so scared of the future
I’m terrified of the police
I hate the government
There’s no point
I can’t see a time when I’ll be happy again
My parents are so worried
There’s no way out
Things will never get better
Everyone lies
I don’t know what to believe anymore
I don’t know who to trust anymore
What’s the point in going to uni, I’m just looking at a screen in my room
I hate looking at a screen all day
I don’t look forward to the day
I’m no excited about my life
I’m not looking forward to the future
I don’t want to do anything
I can’t stand it anymore
No point
Hopeless

407973 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1311 of 2062 🔗

I hope she’s sent a copy to Wankok. Apparently he has sprogs.

408021 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Annie, 2, #1312 of 2062 🔗

Yes me too anyone with a heart can’t ignore that!

408047 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1313 of 2062 🔗

What this does show is that the young are responding as authentic human beings. To be depressed at the current situation is to be human. In this regard they are putting the collaborating adults to shame.

408540 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1314 of 2062 🔗

I have stated last March that we are hereby creating a whole generation of people with PTSD.

407882 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1315 of 2062 🔗

Sorry, OT, not covid related just a bit funny !
https://www.rt.com/usa/515049-gorilla-glue-girl-plastic-surgery/

407891 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nickbowes, 2, #1316 of 2062 🔗

Darwin Award right there.

407895 DanClarke, 4, #1317 of 2062 🔗

Juncker was a funny man, some of his quotes are classics, like the one ‘when things get serious, you lie’

407903 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 23, #1318 of 2062 🔗

The 10 year prison terms is all the MSM are reporting, what this does is take away anyone discussing the mention of summer/autumn/winter/2022 lockdown measures still in place. Already the goal posts have been moved so much this week they are not even on the same pitch

407998 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1319 of 2062 🔗

FFS we’re not even playing the same sport.

407912 danny, replying to danny, 47, #1320 of 2062 🔗

They’ve locked us in and ripped apart families for a year. They’ve masked us. Stolen education from a generation. Let an old generation die alone without family. Cancelled operations and checks. Taken jobs, culture and hope.
It worked. They took the vaccine. On mass.
But now they want to continue the lockdown, the masks, the distancing, the closures.
When will the dam burst?
When will the people say, enough?

407923 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to danny, 13, #1321 of 2062 🔗

I have been thinking this today, I think as the job losses mount up and people are hit in the pocket they will come back down to earth with a nasty bump. I live near Heathrow and the latest thing with hotel quarantine will mean many more job losses in travel, lots of these people will find it hard to find alternative employment due to so many in the area relying on the airport being in the same boat.

407942 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to liztr835, 10, #1322 of 2062 🔗

You don’t seem to understand. The masses are clearly stupid and easily led by emotion.

All frustration and anger will be directed at those who do not take the vaccine. They will be accused to holding the cUntry to ransom.

Naming and shaming will be the start: mass detention will be beginning of the end.

The private prison industry will be at the heart of a booming industry in population management.

I also suspect that experiments will be carried out on inmates who will be shipped around between facilities.

Will there be outrage?

Look at the private prison industry in the country with the largest prison population in the world, the United States. Is there outrage at that? Hardly, as handwringing liberals have just elected two of the filthiest profiteers in that vile industry.

Wake up! There is no such thing as morality, only virtue signalling. You want to know Satan’s true identity: it is YOU and ME and ALL of us!

407966 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #1323 of 2062 🔗

Then NEVER tell anyone you haven’t taken the vaccine. You don’t have to admit it, after all. It it makes the dimwits feel better to think you have, then play into their hands – help them along to a moment they just might see a glimmer of light.
(Unless, of course, they introduce the equivalent of the yellow star.)

408193 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Banjones, 2, #1324 of 2062 🔗

Sorry, I mean PUBLIC naming and shaming like in China. Basically, they are going to introduce a social credit system like in China, but tweaked for identity politics.

408059 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1325 of 2062 🔗

Yes, the play to hold a gun to the head of the unvaccinated as being the reason why restrictions are not being lifted is as obvious as it is inevitable.

Agree on your metaphysical take as well by the way. The night shift on here sometimes expands on these topics.

407963 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 1, #1326 of 2062 🔗

Boiling frogs?

407991 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to danny, 9, #1327 of 2062 🔗

I spoke to my mum today (retired, recently vaccinated) and floated the “the government do seem to be moving the goalposts, don’t they?” line. I was fairly moderate in my comments tbh but said that I feel we need to start living our lives again and accept a certain amount of risk – there’s a danger that the government will just keep locking us down and never properly restore our freedom until we reach the Never Never Land of Zero Covid and total security. “It would be awful if that happened…” she half-heartedly agreed, but she clearly didn’t get what I was saying (or didn’t want to listen, it’s hard to say); there was no sense of urgency or outrage there. Just the “it is what it is” attitude, and a blithe belief that things will surely get back to normal soon… (This is from someone who took me to Greenham Common when I was a baby, campaigned for the miners in the 80s etc – but this tyranny is no big deal).

408179 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Johnsontown, #1328 of 2062 🔗

I have no idea what the best tact is. Another one i’ve gone with is stating that we will never go back to normal. Pre March 2020 is gone. Not that it works any better.

408326 ▶▶ R G, replying to danny, #1329 of 2062 🔗

The moment furlough ends.

408532 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to danny, #1330 of 2062 🔗

When the money has run out.
Or when millions have started to die because of the experimental gene therapies.
And even then, after the hyperinflation induced currency reforms and their ensuing depression, will the vast majority of Cult members still be quiet believers up until their end.
See Germany/Germans from 1945-1980ff.

407916 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 70, #1331 of 2062 🔗

My latest missive to the MP, who knows if it helps but it’s all I can do.

Barely a week has passed since my last letter to you, and where to even begin. I’d like to be succinct and to the point, so I present to you a series of questions that I want you to consider carefully.
1) Are you feeling comfortable about the way things are going? Any sense of disquiet? Any worries that you might just be a participant in the biggest tyranny ever enacted in a previously free, liberal, democracy?
2) Do you have any sense that the absolute powers currently being wielded under the auspices of the 1984 Public Health Act are disproportionate to the threat, bereft of any mechanism of oversight, and in complete contradiction to the actual laws of the land and legal mechanisms established over centuries?
3) Are you comfortable with the increasingly maniacal power grabs of certain individuals within Government, in particular the Health Secretary, who seemingly has no regard for the actual health of the nation or what the word “health” even means in the wider context of mental, physical, emotional and social health. In the context of humanity?
4) Are you comfortable with the persons wielding this absolute power being enthralled to a small subset of unelected and unaccountable “Scientists”, whose models reside in crystal ball territory and whose paymasters are intertwined with powerful pharmaceutical lobbies?
5) Are you comfortable, as an Employment Minister, with the trashing of the economy, the destruction of jobs and businesses and the wreckage of lives both young and old?
6) Are you happy for your children to live in a country where they have no automatic rights to education, no freedom of association with their friends and peers, no pleasures of leisure time to enjoy – pubs, cinemas, leisure centres, bowling alleys, theatres, live music, travel – all gone?
7) Are you comfortable with forced quarantines of the healthy in holding facilities, and criminal sanctions up to and including long prison sentences against ordinary members of the public who choose to take a holiday? Are you comfortable that such sanctions are selective, as presumably they won’t apply to certain sectors of the population such as truck drivers, airline staff, elite sportspeople and undoubtedly high worth individuals and celebrities?
8) In your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe that a virus can’t mutate if we pretend to close the borders and throw a few dissenters in jail? Can a virus respect borders? Does it bend itself to futile Government interventions cooked up in the recesses of what appears to be the increasingly deluded mind of the Health Secretary?
9) Do you have any reservations about the sinister media fear campaign still being waged against the British people, at great expense using our own hard earned money? Can you look me in the eye and tell me that it’s all been worth it? That the measures have saved more people from Covid than they’ve killed or will kill without Covid? That laying blame on the public for the virus is a reasonable thing to do, when the Government itself has failed so completely to protect those in care homes and hospitals?
10) Finally, have you thought about how you might feel about being associated with this tyrannical Government forevermore, with being a part of it all? Have you considered that by saying nothing, questioning nothing, you are complicit?
I really hope you can sleep at night. I can’t, and my conscience is clear.
“Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” (Acton)
And if you still think that the vaccines are going to get us out of this mess, well, you haven’t been paying attention.

407961 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Fear is Finite, 9, #1332 of 2062 🔗

That, if I may say is excellent and if you don’t mind I will plagiarise it for my next missive to my MP.

407970 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to vargas99, 2, #1333 of 2062 🔗

Thank you. Plagiarise away!

407971 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #1334 of 2062 🔗

Excellent. Pity if you’re addressing a spineless, brainless, heartless moron, but what can you do but try?

407974 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #1335 of 2062 🔗

Would you also mind if I take the lead of vargas99 and do the same, please? I hardly slept last night (mostly because of being in a lather about how much I hate Matt Wancock), and don’t have the mental capacity atm to wrote anything half as near as good as you have done.

407978 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1336 of 2062 🔗

Go for it

407984 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1337 of 2062 🔗

Merci 🙂

408002 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #1338 of 2062 🔗

That is fantastic. If they can read that and still sleep well in their bed knowing they are collaborating in this countries destruction, then they are inhuman.

408013 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #1339 of 2062 🔗

That’s a fantastic letter. Do let us know the response you get.

408091 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1340 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely brilliant. A coruscating demolition of our current sorry state.

If you get a boilerplate reply then this MP has revoked their status as a human being (let alone your supposed representative).

408207 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Richard O, #1341 of 2062 🔗

I wouldn’t hold your breathe, it’s been boilerplate all the way so far.

407919 DRW, replying to DRW, 36, #1342 of 2062 🔗

Been angry and depressed the past few days over my family’s continuously shocking ignorance over this. How the fuck can you still dismiss a “conspiracy” that’s right out there in the open? Honestly even propaganda is less demoralising when it’s such mass sheepishness that keeps enabling this descent into hell. I don’t fear death anymore, just life under the great cabal and its dystopian agendas.

407926 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DRW, 8, #1343 of 2062 🔗

They are rolling out the vaccine for adults now. It will be mandatory.

408005 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1344 of 2062 🔗

I don’t think so. The ‘vaccine’ is a tool for getting rid of political undesirables – like us!

408011 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1345 of 2062 🔗

hold out for long enough and they will allow the impotent nasal spray for a certificate
Still not complying but it is not the end of the world either

408217 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1346 of 2062 🔗

Wonder if you can blag it by blocking up your nostrils with some cotton wool first?

407931 ▶▶ smithey, replying to DRW, 13, #1347 of 2062 🔗

I feel exactly the same. I can’t work out though if the reason the vast majority of people cannot see what is going on is because they are incapable of independent thought or if it is because they simply cannot face up to the reality of the situation and so choose to bury their heads in the sand or labour under the misapprehension that the situation somehow does not apply to them.

407960 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, 15, #1348 of 2062 🔗

But it’s the boiling frogs thing. They really haven’t noticed. I think most of us here noticed very early on that things ”weren’t right” and so jumped out of the pan, watching as things unfolded.

407993 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 6, #1349 of 2062 🔗

You’re right about one element of this – the way in which the screw has been turned gradually, with one lie gradually replaced by another.

But there’s other elements in play, the prime one being the use of Fear as a tool of manipulation. It’s very powerful.

Then there’s the perversion of essentially good or necessary motives to evil ends – social solidarity and trust.

The sociopathic SPI-B inheritors of Goebbel’s mantle have a lot to answer for.

407972 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to smithey, 6, #1350 of 2062 🔗

It seems to me that most people in the UK have been used to things in this country usually turning out okay in the end,no matter what shitshow we have endured,they just can’t see that this time there is no end and nothing is going to be okay.

408215 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to smithey, #1351 of 2062 🔗

They are on autopilot. You know when people like us walk somewhere and suddenly we realise that we have been daydreaming and have been fully on autopilot for a few minutes, letting our subconscious do the work? That’s them all the time.

408225 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to smithey, #1352 of 2062 🔗

They trust the authorities and the MSM too much.

407937 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DRW, 5, #1353 of 2062 🔗

If it is in the open, it is not a conspiracy.

407938 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to DRW, 37, #1354 of 2062 🔗

Well said that man.

407944 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to DRW, 31, #1355 of 2062 🔗

I think that is the worst part. At least in oppressive regimes everyone is in agreement that the dictator is a cunt. We have a population that still think they are free and their goverenment isn’t fucking them up the ass.

It would be a lot easier if people around me could just accept the government are lieing corrupt bandits.

407997 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to JHUNTZ, 13, #1356 of 2062 🔗

God that is such a good point. Yet another row with hubby today. Told him about the CDC admitting that at least 96% of covid deaths were counted wrongly. His response was that they are loony in America, why should that mean we have done the same here!. I friggin give up, I’m just going to flush my head down the toilet!.

408076 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1357 of 2062 🔗

He’s right that we are quite loony here in the US.

408307 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to awildgoose, #1358 of 2062 🔗

Present company excepted of course. I do not think you are a loony at all.

408079 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1359 of 2062 🔗

Lol, its just a bit like that Monty Python sketch with the black knight…Gahh come back here I will bite your legs off!

408304 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Two-Six, #1360 of 2062 🔗

Don’t know that, but was never a big Monty Python person. There are plenty of people that I would like to bite the legs off at the moment though!.

408098 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hellonearth, 1, #1362 of 2062 🔗

I suggest you should flush your husband’s empty head down the toilet after serving him divorce papers. What a prick.

408299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Richard O, #1363 of 2062 🔗

Haha, made me laugh Richard. He is a good man but sadly misguided!.

408003 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to DRW, 9, #1364 of 2062 🔗

Yeah, my family also congratulating each other about getting the ‘vaccine’. Unbelievable.

407927 Jody, replying to Jody, 37, #1365 of 2062 🔗

It seems like only yesterday that the government was telling us, “Just get the vaccine, and things will start to be back to normal by February. Roll on the summer!”

And then today, Boris Johnson appears at PMQs to announce that we’re “going to have to get used to the idea” that there will be another, different vaccination in the Autumn.

Grants Schapps announced this morning that we can all forget any summer holidays.

And what does the good, old British public do, when confronted by this manifest evidence of government lying and duplicity?… they shrug their shoulders and do SWEET F*** ALL!

It puts me in mind of these classic lines from Orwell’s 1984…

“Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal. The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically, passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grammes. Syme, too-in some more complex way, involving doublethink, Syme swallowed it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?”

407935 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jody, 3, #1366 of 2062 🔗

I must have missed it when a government minister said that the vaccinated would not have to follow all the coronavirus regulations. Do you have a link?

407945 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #1367 of 2062 🔗

My point is that up until very recently, the government repeatedly held out the hope to the public that restrictions would begin to be lifted in February, on the back of the vaccination programme.

That hope has now evaporated for the foreseeable future. Johnson was not even prepared to say at PMQs today that schools would re-open in March.

408635 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jody, #1369 of 2062 🔗

The article you refer to does not quote a minister saying the vaccinated would not have to follow the coronavirus regulations.

407936 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jody, 7, #1370 of 2062 🔗

Shouldn’t we be holding a march thanking BB for the increase in the chocolate ration?

407967 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1371 of 2062 🔗

Not failing to point out that it tastes like the smoke from a rubbish fire.

407939 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jody, 15, #1372 of 2062 🔗

Lot more angry comments around, thing is, holiday time isint here yet and people have actually been led on to book them maybe when they finally realise what is on the cards for nothing more than a low mortality virus………….

408006 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1373 of 2062 🔗

Good
The collaborators need to suffer and I couldn’t give a flying fig if they lose all their jollies
payback time for what they have done

408031 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jody, 7, #1374 of 2062 🔗

I made sure to mention that in our team meeting today when they were fantasising about going off on holidays on the Greek islands in the summer. I said not if Grant Shapps has anything to do with it you won’t. Nobody asked who he was so guess they had read about or heard his utterance.

408036 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1375 of 2062 🔗

They all think vaccines are going to unlock the gates. Deluded.

407933 JHUNTZ, 4, #1376 of 2062 🔗

NYC OUTDOOR DINING POLICY EXPLAINED! – YouTube

Some light entertainment, NYC insanity.

407934 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 21, #1377 of 2062 🔗

Interesting to read the Twitter replies to Ms. Allsopp’s comments about quarantine. The vast majority are against it, but there are STILL those writing things like ‘everyone needs to comply by the rules so that we can get out of this’ and ‘Covid is not to be dismissed lightly, I know people in their 30s who have died’ etc. Public opinion does seem to be changing, but at the speed of a glacier, and we have a long, long way to go.

407958 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Cranmer, 9, #1378 of 2062 🔗

I doubt those are even real people.

407969 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to jb12, 9, #1379 of 2062 🔗

Haha probably. Remember when Hillary Clinton demanded an audit of so-called fake Trump supporters online, and accidentally ended up facilitating the report, that showed about 40%+ of her own followers were fake accounts! 🙂

408001 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jb12, 7, #1380 of 2062 🔗

Me too. I’ve always doubted that the ”positive case numbers” are genuine. A touch of the Dominion software.

I read some headline that quoted ”Yougov” as saying something like 85 per cent of people were in favour of this madness. But – we all know that a certain Mr Zahawi knows a lot about Yougov (with his fingers still in the pie) and how to frame the question to get the required answer. How very convenient.

407965 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 7, #1381 of 2062 🔗

Even ice ages have their endings.

407988 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 14, #1382 of 2062 🔗

Surely anyone who still thinks we can ‘get out of this’ by ‘complying with the rules’ has been lobotomized…?

408040 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mattghg, 9, #1383 of 2062 🔗

The bit that gets me is that I have had part of my brain removed, but I am the only person in my family/social circles who is calling out this bullshit.

408042 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1384 of 2062 🔗

Wow

408155 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mattghg, 1, #1385 of 2062 🔗

Successful treatment for epilepsy.

408000 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1386 of 2062 🔗

Compliance got us into this. Further compliance will only get us deeper into it. I said when they cancelled Christmas, summer holidays would be next. Just watch.

408518 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bugle, 1, #1387 of 2062 🔗

Anyone who read Wilhelm Tell knew this and refused to wear masks when mandated.
But the first turning point and clear signal that something evil was going on and that we would be toast if we accepted it was the switch from ‘saving the NHS’ to ‘R under 1’.
The rest is history.

407947 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #1388 of 2062 🔗

Victor Davis Hanson on Impeachment and the ‘Cancer’ of Woke Ideology | American Thought Leaders
VDH always has interesting stuff to say even when he’s wrong (which he occasionally has been). Especially, like Hitchens, he has a very good understanding of left/right conservative/radical politics, and of the fundamental nature and harmfulness of the triumph of the radical left.

Note, of course, that the channel he is appearing on here has been demonetised by Youtube – part of the ongoing attempt by the dominant leftist big tech to silence and delegitimise conservative dissent.

And if you want another indication of the real and ongoing threat to basic freedom of speech and tolerance of dissent, consider also:

Tucker Carlson slams efforts to shut down Fox News

407976 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #1389 of 2062 🔗

What do the retired generals do? And the military in general? They say: ….. why fight it? All the left did was to try to defund the Pentagon and to call us warmongers, but you know what, now that we’re part of them, … you know what, if I want to be in Northrop or I want to be in Lockheed, and I’m a left-wing general, I retire and I go right in the revolving door, Elizabeth Warren’s not going to go after me any more. This is wonderful. So this is part of the insidious, nightmarish phenomenon of woke-ism, that all of these people are coming out of the woodwork and they’re telling us that they’re woke now, and therefore they’re able to make a lot of money because they’ve bought woke insurance. Career woke insurance .”

408025 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -2, #1390 of 2062 🔗

Another one using this site as an exercise yard for a tatty old hobby horse.

Although the strands of what is loosely called ‘wokeness’ irritates the fuck out of me, it isn’t the point … what is a right wing dictatorship headed by those who previously sported Brexit as their standard – not some ‘left radical’ coup. Totalitarianism currently advances under that banner – but any will do for opportunists. As it will for those obsessed by playing with their personal hobby horses whilst the family valuables are knicked.

The hard fact is that many who equally will tediously bang on about ‘political correctness’ and the sins of politicians and government will also be fervently supporting this coup d’etat .

408070 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #1391 of 2062 🔗

Gosh, Rick, by your standards that was almost substantive and contained relatively little empty abuse.

And no, I’ll take no lectures from you about “riding a personal hobby horse” (on a site, forsooth, that has an entire section titled “woke gobbledegook” above the line!) As pointed out regularly in response to this kind of stuff from you, you are perfectly happy to insist on your personal fantasy about the coronapanic somehow being driven by the “right-wing” – that somehow almost every single one of all the representatives of the political left (apart from you, of course), including the sainted Jeremy Corbyn and his crew, has apparently been too stupid to see through.

The reality is that when this lockdown shit-show was initiated, it was left to Peter Hitchens and Toby Young to stand up against it, because the supposed “opposition” on the left you give allegiance to were, almost to a man, too busy shouting hysterically that not locking down would be “eugenics”, or “putting money ahead of lives”, and crying about the “Conservatives” not locking down fast enough or hard enough.

Although the strands of what is loosely called ‘wokeness’ irritates the fuck out of me, it isn’t the point

If you want to ever be politically relevant again, you need to grow beyond your political defeat by Margaret Thatcher in 1979, 1983 and 1987, and understand that the side you presumably chose in the 1970s was demonstrably wrong then, was rightly defeated, and is no longer arguing for the same things it was then. The political lines are not those of your youth, and your delusion that they are merely allows you to be manipulated by the woke-ists who run the Labour Party today, just as conservatives are manipulated by the “Conservatives” into voting for them under false pretences.

408054 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #1392 of 2062 🔗

It’s tragic that this country is at this place right now, because it didn’t have to be this way. They could have said Donald Trump represented a lost constituency that … globalised culture had ignored in a very amoral fashion and that was an understandable pushback, but the way to beat Donald Trump is to appeal to his voters in the way that the Democratic Party used to do, and win them back. They didn’t do that. They didn’t do that because they wanted open borders, and they’re tribalists that believe in identity politics, and they don’t care about people of the working class any more, and they feel that their money and their power and their titles and their degrees have allowed them to be an unquestioned elite. Sort of Platonic Guardians that we … don’t dare question .”

Trump’s election in 2016 was a backlash against open borders globalism, political correctness and identity politics. They left were warned that they would provoke a backlash and they poohpoohed the idea. Then when Trump was elected in exactly the predicted backlash, they went onto a hysterical panic, misrepresenting Trump as all kinds of ridiculous things that he was not. And instead of taking on board the lessons of the backlash, they used raw wealth and power to subvert processes to achieve his defeat.

And now they are doubling down on their power and laughing, again, at the warnings of the backlash they are laying the foundations for. But the harder and longer they repress the backlash the more forceful it will be when it comes.

The left is taking us down a dark road in the US sphere. There are strong parallels with the Blairites here, but without, obviously, the particular Trump backlash experience.
The UK, politically, is best viewed in this context as most like a NE US state, in which there is basically no conservative politics, and office is contested between moderate Blairites and harder line Blairites.

407949 Banjones, 23, #1393 of 2062 🔗

I wonder how long this site will be ”allowed” to remain. I’m sure it helps many people – and things are becoming so sinister, it wouldn’t be surprising if it’s a victim of its own success – or Toby might just feel he’s had enough.

I’ve joined ‘Gab’ just in case, but I suppose we need a kind of ”Freedom for Tooting” site on which to regroup, should the worst happen.

407950 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1394 of 2062 🔗

Okay, Time Out!

Mrs C. and I just watched 2 unmasked people swerve on to the road to avoid a masked person. Isn’t it supposed to be the other way round? WTAF!

408023 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1395 of 2062 🔗

It is difficult not to recoil from a maskoid.

408027 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1396 of 2062 🔗

Skidding towards them on the ice get’s a reaction.

407962 Jody, replying to Jody, 55, #1397 of 2062 🔗

I thought I might share a few thoughts on the situation here in France, which is a little more fluid than the position in the UK, although no less dangerous.

The country currently labours under a 6pm to 6am curfew, which is strictly enforced and broadly adhered to; bars, restaurants, cinemas, museums and cultural attractions remain closed, although “non-essential” shops continue to operate during the day. Schools, crucially, have stayed open, although the price the government has exacted for this concession has been compulsory mask-wearing for all children aged 6 and upwards.

Paris has been itching to impose a third full lockdown, along British lines, since Christmas, egged-on by its Scientific Council (equivalent of SAGE), and appeared to be ready to take such a step a couple of weeks ago (as if being locked-in your house at gunpoint for twelve hours every night isn’t a “lockdown” in itself).

In the end, the government backed-off, and there can be little doubt that its reason for doing so was its wariness of public opinion, which has moved sharply since last Autumn (remember that “public opinion” in France isn’t simply the finding of an opinion poll; it usually manifests itself on the street…)

So, for the time being, the Élysée Palace has to content itself with the current restrictions, which the public seems just about able to tolerate; needless to say, none of the dire predictions concerning the consequences of no-lockdown (people dying in hospital corridors and the collapse of the health system) have come to pass, but the government presses on.

Yesterday, the Assemblée Nationale passed, after a fierce debate, the government’s demand for an extension of its “state of health emergency” powers, until 1st June, although the winning margin was relatively narrow: 278 votes in favour, 193 against, and 13 abstentions.

The state of health emergency, rather like the Covid Acts in the UK, gives the government carte blanche to do whatever it pleases, including imposing lockdowns, curfews, closures and travel restrictions; the Ministry of Health said it needed the extension in order to implement its “vaccination programme”.

Now, everybody with their nose to the ground in France knows that the defining clashes are going to come this summer, around June or July. The government is not going to get another extension to its emergency powers through the National Assembly, and the public’s patience will have snapped by this point (the ability to sit in a bar or restaurant all day during the summer, and to go on holiday on the coast or in the mountains, is practically regarded as a human right over here).

So this is when the government is going to be forced to show its hand. Leaked documents suggest that a state of “martial law” is being considered, a process which would allow the government to bypass the National Assembly. The reasons the government would give for this would include the emergence of new variants of Coronavirus, and the need to push-on with France’s lagging vaccination programme. It is also entirely possible that some other kind of “imminent threat” could be introduced, to go alongside the “Covid crisis”.

There is a fair degree of speculation here, but there is one thing that can be said with certainty: the French government, just like its counterpart in the UK, is not going to let go of its recently-acquired powers without an almighty struggle.

407964 ▶▶ Jody, replying to Jody, 16, #1398 of 2062 🔗

I posted this much earlier today, but repost it for those who might be interested.

407992 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jody, 14, #1399 of 2062 🔗

Great post thanks – one of the most valuable facets of the comments are the accounts of peoples experiences, particular in other countries.

Sooner or later, a break point has to come. I’ll wager France has that honour long before the poor old placid and complacent UK.

408007 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TJN, 19, #1400 of 2062 🔗

the poor old placid and complacent UK

I guess it’s come as a shock to some to suddenly realize that all the WWII rhetoric about this Sceptered Isle was based more on luck, circumstance and geography rather more than any inherent ‘national character’.

408018 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 9, #1401 of 2062 🔗

How dare you you insult our unexamined state mythologies. It’s downright un-British.

408038 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 11, #1402 of 2062 🔗

Yes, quite – although maybe Britons were made of different stuff back then, and we had an actual leader instead of a charlatan in Downing street.

I’ve thought for months now that we sceptics can watch all those old classic WW2 films and enjoy them, but that most of our compatriots cannot – they’ve now seen in the mirror and know how they would have played out in those days

408141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 1, #1403 of 2062 🔗

‘This scepter’d isle’ is spoken by John of Gaunt on his deathbed in 1399. No PM in those days I’m afraid.

408370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 4, #1404 of 2062 🔗

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408362 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #1405 of 2062 🔗

The King and the Land are one, Rick. More truth in our myths and legends than any political manifesto.

407999 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jody, 11, #1406 of 2062 🔗

Jody, I guess the curfew is respected or not depending on where you are located in France. Well policed urban areas differ enormously from other ‘less salubrious’ urban areas. In most rural areas there are no police after 6pm , period.
I agree that almost all governments want powers and to keep them. However for whatever reason the tone of recent comments from the likes of Veran is quite different to those of Hancock , for instance yesterday he said ‘“We may never have to reconfine again. My wish is that we can, as early as possible, give the public back its freedom.”. We may treat that with justifiable caution, but its quite different to the fear-mongering currently employed by his UK equivalent.

408039 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to peyrole, 5, #1407 of 2062 🔗

Peyrole. I’m absolutely with you in so far as the senior French politicians are light years ahead of their British counterparts in presentational terms; Hancock wouldn’t last five minutes in Paris, nor Johnson for that matter.

My problem is the French government’s direction of travel in terms of what it DOES. The reflex seems always to be towards further, tighter restrictions…

408072 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jody, 5, #1408 of 2062 🔗

Unfortunately in that it is joined by 99% of the world’s governments.
I am travelling with a sliver of hope in that Macron has so far resisted further regional ‘colour coding’ for restrictions, ‘only’ instigating one PCR requirement for test at borders, stating people will be ‘offered’ vaccines rather than manditory which seems to be off the table.
Of course things can change for the worst, and its pretty bad when a Frenchman cannot get a meal and drink even a plat de jour.
And any reintroduction of internal attestations for movement would spell a return to lockdown.
There are many ‘health and science’ experts preaching doom daily, but Veran tends to be a good weathervane and just recently his utterances have become more positive. Every part of my anatomy crossed.
Macron and France find themselves in a curious position post Brexit and post Trump. Do they continue hitching their wagon to the German machine which increasingly is looking east? Or do they move towards a more ‘agreeable’ ( in French terms) US. My guess the ever green dreams of French concerns driving the European future are in real trouble given Germany’s pivot. And of course, irritating though the Albion are, they no longer have the UK counterweight to the old adversary.
I suspect if the US gives the signal, France will be the first to change tack with this virus stuff.

408110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to peyrole, 4, #1409 of 2062 🔗

Very interesting post, peyrole.

I find France a somewhat inscrutable country. Your analysis is thought-provoking, but I am still not able to understand why France, like other countries, is doing so much damage to itself, when it has little excess mortality as a consequence of Covid-19, unless there is some other kind of agenda at work.

They have intelligent, well-trained people in the public administration in France. They MUST know that the scale of the threat is limited, so why do they plough on with curfews and lockdowns?

It’s difficult to engage with the other issues you raise, whilst the Coronavirus issue remains, because it is changing everything…

408194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jody, 4, #1410 of 2062 🔗

This is just a guess, I have no inside knowledge, just experience.
I believe the US started this to stop the dollar and subsequently the world’s banking system collapsing. The repo rates on Sept 19 2019 reached 10% and if the Fed hadn’t stepped in everything would have blown up. The Fed can’t bail out the system like in 2008, its used up its ability. So plans were put in place to ‘invent’ a reason for locking down the majority of the world’s economies, or at least controlling the financial flows. The ‘virus’ crisis had been game played a lot and fit the bill. It was either that or a ‘hot’ war with someone, and with Trump in the WH there was no guarantee he would deliver.
In Feb 2020 everything was ready, Wuhan provided the PR, and the signal went out. Every country went into crisis mode and closed down.
Now the Q is how do you recover? Which is why the ‘reset’ and ‘green new deal’ stuff is given traction. It allows the economies to open up but constrained and gives the necessary controls to try to keep the lid on the financials. So with the virus stuff, timed to be gradually relieved to the same timetable; the PCR test, vaccines and ‘new strains’ allow total control to the ‘numbers’ so the risks are reduced. Hence the ‘new normal’ which will only be gradually allowed to look anything like the ‘old normal’ , and probably never will completely. The financial model is broken and they need to regenerate it with central bank digital currencies, social credits etc. Whatever emerges will look , feel and be a lot more ‘controlled’ than previously.

408222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to peyrole, 2, #1411 of 2062 🔗

Fascinating and credible explanation. There’s no doubt that the dollar has been on its last legs, and that there has been a concerted and unprecedented attempt to slow-down economic activity.

What you are saying is that “Covid-19” is effectively an economic “tiller”… more useful and justifiable than the traditional controls, such as credit controls and interest rates.

Where does the vaccine come into all of this?

408239 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jody, 2, #1412 of 2062 🔗

Its a very controllable ( along with the PCR) way of starting the process of recovery.

408236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to peyrole, 2, #1413 of 2062 🔗

I forgot to add that the billionaires are of course big advocates of all this, after all they had the most to lose if it all went tits up. Explains why they are almost all backing this one way or the other, of course they make even more money whilst doing so, and so will compliant politicians and administrators which partly answers your q about the French admin. I think quite a few in the know would say that our current problems are nothing compared to the potential devastation and anarchy if the financial/banking system collapsed.

408492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to peyrole, 2, #1414 of 2062 🔗

Fascinating, does this explain the ‘domino effect’ of Western Countries falling in line bar Sweden and the current attempt to smear Sweden by accusations of doing ‘the wrong thing’?

408543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to peyrole, #1415 of 2062 🔗

Basically, this.

408009 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Jody, 5, #1416 of 2062 🔗

Thanks, fascinating. Please keep us posted!

408019 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jody, 10, #1417 of 2062 🔗

I’m convinced that there will be something else invented within a month or so. The variant bullshit is wearing thin and is as see through as clingfilm.

408043 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1418 of 2062 🔗

Yes, this is my worry…

408120 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Jody, 3, #1419 of 2062 🔗

Super-interesting. We look to the French as being more belligerent, maybe they will lead the wave of ‘organic’ rejection of all this nonsense in the coming months.

408272 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Jody, 2, #1420 of 2062 🔗

Many thanks for a brilliant update. I lived in France for a number years. Totally agree that they see holidays as a human right. Interesting times ahead for sure …

408598 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jody, 1, #1421 of 2062 🔗

Something sinister this way lies.

For a government to be risking such outright mayhem for a virus with 99.7% recovery rate it must be terribly important.

407980 Steeve, 9, #1422 of 2062 🔗

Kate & Luc £16573
Any new updates?

407982 norwegian, 3, #1423 of 2062 🔗
407995 isobar, replying to isobar, 12, #1424 of 2062 🔗

How the Government lies to us.
This is a Government -sponsored article in today’s Daily Mail.
Note the section at the end ‘ How do the vaccines work’ (see below) Can you spot where this mentions mRNA gene therapy? Thought not, neither could I. In other words the government is deliberately misleading the public into thinking the ‘vaccines’ are just like other vaccines. But then again why am I not surprised?

A shot in the arm! How people across the UK are working together to vaccinate the country as quickly as possible
(Government sponsored article)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9241083/How-people-UK-working-vaccinate-country-quickly-possible.html

HOW DO THE VACCINES WORK?The Covid-19 vaccines, just like any other vaccine, work by teaching your immune system how to defend itself against attack.
To create a vaccine, the virus is weakened or completely inactivated. This means the vaccine is safe and will not cause disease.
When this form of the virus is introduced to the immune system, it trains the body to recognise the virus, creating protective antibodies.
This means that when Covid-19 is encountered naturally, the body has already been gently trained to protect against it.
If enough people get vaccinated, individuals are protected from the harmful effects of Covid-19.

408004 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to isobar, 16, #1425 of 2062 🔗

This is a blatant lie and needs to be reported.
Even the AstraZeneca does not work on this basis.
Which junior person wrote copied Google or Wikipedia?

408015 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Silke David, 3, #1426 of 2062 🔗

Could have been a junior at the DHSC or the DM I guess, but either way, as it is sponsored someone senior in the DHSC must have signed off on the article.

408055 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Silke David, 6, #1427 of 2062 🔗

Have emailed DM requesting them to correct the article and issue an apology. If anyone else wants to complain, the email address is

corrections@dmgmedia.co.uk

408551 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to isobar, #1428 of 2062 🔗

Me too!

408064 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 5, #1429 of 2062 🔗

Well they never read this did they? Maybe too complicated for them.

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408534 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1430 of 2062 🔗

The idea that mRNA vaccines alter your DNA has been “debunked” as a conspiracy theory by the likes of the BBC and all the usual suspects. On a technicality, the debuunking of the claim might appear justified in that mRNA simply prompts existing DNA to construct the virus-like particles…

But the more I think about it the less convinced I am that no change of any kind will take place in the structure of your DNA. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some small change, given the complexity of the body. We know the body has inbuilt non-natural selection mechanisms that switch on and off certain genes depending on environmental stimuli e.g. lack of food. I wouldn’t be at all surprised that mRNA viruses could prompt something similar.

408544 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, #1431 of 2062 🔗

That’s funny – they forgot about the adjuvant when describing the conventional vaccine. Those antigens won’t be any good without the toxic adjuvant (often aluminium now) to provoke the body’s defence mechanisms into hurrying to the injection site to see what’s up. Basically you are tricking the body into associating the toxic effect with the antigen.That’s my layman’s understanding.You can often spot vaxopropaganda because they omit reference to the adjuvant.

408216 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to isobar, 1, #1432 of 2062 🔗

Written by…….Sponsored by The UK Government.

Say no more. Glorified advertising.

408012 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #1433 of 2062 🔗

Jonathan Sumption says that no court in the land would sentence anyone for breaking the law concerning foreign travel (apart from repeated offences).

408063 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1434 of 2062 🔗

But hes not a judge anymore and god knows who in the high court is on the payroll and just following orders!!

408185 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andrew K, #1435 of 2062 🔗

Good point.

408283 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, #1436 of 2062 🔗

You’d still have to get a conviction.

408094 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1437 of 2062 🔗

He’s just provoking Hancock to impose mandatory minimum sentences.

408017 Mark, 10, #1438 of 2062 🔗

We are all prisoners, you can forget holidays.

408026 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 12, #1439 of 2062 🔗

https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1359468318617387015?s=20

Perhaps someone recognises this man. Whoever he is, he talks sense when he says that lockdowns will go down as the worst thing we have ever done in history.

408050 ▶▶ Kalashnikov Political Reform Committee, replying to Margaret, #1440 of 2062 🔗

Correct

408281 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Margaret, 3, #1441 of 2062 🔗

Absolutely they will. The worst and wickedest act by the worst and wickedest governments in world history, bar nine, because none previously deleted the humanity of entire nations.

408349 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, #1442 of 2062 🔗

Who are the ‘nine’, Annie ? 🙂

408346 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Margaret, #1443 of 2062 🔗

Charlie Kirk – Founder of Turning Point USA.

408034 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #1444 of 2062 🔗

A prescient video by Lynnette Zang from back in 2017.

Why the IMF will use the ACC and SDR to Capture Wealth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCQKNvsIQxE

“There will come a point ….when they need everybody to feel enough pain to accept this money standard shift.”

https://youtu.be/PCQKNvsIQxE?t=1599

Problem, Reaction, Solution

Problem – A deadly global virus pandemic
Reaction – Lockdown all economies and destroy wealth
Solution – Offer a flight to safety in the new IMF cryptocurrency

408052 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 5, #1445 of 2062 🔗

If you look at commodity prices, – up 25 % since March – then I think we see where this is going. China, in particular is stockpiling commodities, including the largest grain purchase in 30 years last week.

The SDR is for me a non-starter. It is composed of currencies which are failing.It can’t be any better than they are.

There will be a flight from perceived wealth – financial assets (paper), into real wealth (stuff). We call that flight ‘hyperinflation’.

There’s certainly no way that a IMF cryptocurrency can be regarded as a safe haven.

408114 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to rockoman, 1, #1446 of 2062 🔗

Except equities are a good hedge against inflation over time…while gold which yields nothing intrinsically is speculative.

408132 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1447 of 2062 🔗

Equities are speculative because they discount future cash flow, which can per se never be known.

Equities, while obviouly better than cash, always lose value in real terms in hyperinflation, as the basis of economic calculation is rendered impossible, because price signals become impossible to discern.

Gold on the other hand just is.

Yield, or return, always reflects risk.

No risk, no yield.

No yield, no risk,

408229 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to rockoman, #1448 of 2062 🔗

But after the hyperinflation what next?

Every Central Bank gets ‘saved’ by hooking up to the SDR-backed IMF crypto.

The reset is complete, debts are wiped out and the new reserve currency is in place, with China sitting at the top table.

408046 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 39, #1449 of 2062 🔗

Thought “why not” so another e-mail to my MP:

Sir,

The Government sidelines Parliament yet again against all the assurances from months ago when you believed they would consult with Parliament “if time permits”.

This time it is using the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 as the enabling act to introduce penalties and incarceration for “lying” on quarantine forms.

So what is the excuse this time?

As a Member of Parliament you are effectively surplus to requirements; have no meaningful existence; take your salary and expenses under false pretences; are treated by complete, total and utter contempt by Ministers and SAGE and are culpable as accessories in the destruction of the social fabric and economy that is taking place with your spineless acquiescence by not even attempting to challenge the narrative except for a notable few MPs (you know who they are).

Yours in disgust and growing exasperation and anger,

408107 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1450 of 2062 🔗

That’s how it’s done.
Kind of get the feeling you’re on the fence, AG?! 🙂

408153 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1451 of 2062 🔗

Subtle as a brick, that’s me.

408276 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1452 of 2062 🔗

We need you, a thousand times over, and subtle as a regiment of tanks.

408048 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 19, #1453 of 2062 🔗

Are there any Tory MP’s with the balls to actually resign? Either the 1922 committee have to act quickly and have enough support to get rid of PM, put in place someone who will in turn get rid of Wancock and co or there have to be enough resignations to undermine the PM. The total inaction is surprising, I do not believe they all support what is going on.

408136 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1454 of 2062 🔗

Very rare for Tory MPs to resign (“Party first, and all that, old chap.”).

As for the Cabinet; it’s possible a few don’t believe all the bullshit; supporting is a different matter.

In Government, supporting stuff you don’t believe is a must if you want to get further up that greasy pole.

408175 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1455 of 2062 🔗

And if they did resign from Cabinet, it would only create a vacancy to be filled by some piece of excrement like O’Brien.

408051 PoshPanic, 16, #1456 of 2062 🔗

Whoever made this, needs a Blue Peter badge

408053 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 10, #1457 of 2062 🔗

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14009213/doctors-believe-covid-caused-mans-two-week-bout-hiccups/

Now it causes hiccups!

Is there anything left which isn’t covid related?

How about shouting at Piers Morgan?

Homicidal fantasising with Shuttlecock, Ferguson and Sturgeon in mind?

Add to the list folks.

408056 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to wendyk, 4, #1458 of 2062 🔗

Itchy Perineum?

408068 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1459 of 2062 🔗

🤢 🤢 Ouch!

408061 ▶▶ isobar, replying to wendyk, 1, #1460 of 2062 🔗

Bottom burps

408074 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to isobar, 1, #1461 of 2062 🔗

Coronawind

408116 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to wendyk, 3, #1462 of 2062 🔗

What about: Seeing things that aren’t fucking there ? Like Covid causing a two-week bout of hiccups, for example. 😉

Talking of the imaginary; what about Hancock Tears?

408121 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to wendyk, 2, #1463 of 2062 🔗

We are now inhabiting hypochondriac heaven.

408166 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to wendyk, 2, #1464 of 2062 🔗

It can cause erections for several hours apparently. No seriously – UK Column covered it some weeks ago. WTAF

408335 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1465 of 2062 🔗

Bugger, missed that. Glued to my laptop for 10 months, yet miss the important stuff. 🙂

408329 ▶▶ mj, replying to wendyk, 1, #1466 of 2062 🔗

i’ve just had an exploding bottom . pebbledashed the outhouse.
suppose i’d better book myself in for a test .. I guess the transverse flow one is most appropriate

408517 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to wendyk, #1467 of 2062 🔗

Bollocks found on the tongue? That’s definitely Covid-related. Just switch on the news and you’ll see what I mean.

408058 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1468 of 2062 🔗

Another “nothing to do with the vaccine he had minutes before” article:

https://abc7ny.com/javits-center-death-dr-howard-zucker-covid-vaccine-nyc-covid-19-finder/10321962/

Sure are mounting up these non-coincidences.

408101 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1469 of 2062 🔗

The New York State Health Commissioner confirmed it happened about 25 minutes after the individual was vaccinated and following the required 15-minute observation period .

There’s their get out right there in my bolded part of that sentence.

If it doesn’t happen within 15 minutes, it ain’t the vaccine, guv. Bastards!

408119 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1470 of 2062 🔗

But if you die within 28 days of Covid test it’s Covid. Bit of a mismatch.

408253 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1471 of 2062 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WpKQEpuSKZo
Tucker Carlson: (paraphrasing) “from the moment the vaccine arrived, those in charge worked to make sure no one could criticise it.””

CNN: “Facebook vowed to crack down on vaccine disinformation but misleading reports remain easy to find.” This was a call for censorship.
Soon after, a Facebook group called “Covid-19 vaccine injury stories” was removed.”

So they’re actively suppressing any info about adverse effects from the vaccine….

408328 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to LMS2, #1472 of 2062 🔗

A group called “Covid-19 vaccine injury stories” – and they set it up on Facebook ?!?

I mustn’t be harsh, maybe it was their brains that were primarily affected.

408062 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 13, #1473 of 2062 🔗

Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 should be used against all the lies the government and SAGE are telling us since March, 2020.

408078 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to TheClone, 7, #1474 of 2062 🔗

I think the french revolution act 1793 should be used against the government. Do we still have a working guillotine?

408081 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1475 of 2062 🔗

We don’t have a working guillotine, but I’m sure we could borrow a couple.

408090 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to LMS2, 1, #1476 of 2062 🔗

Halifax had the first working one, maybe they could whip another one for us:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Gibbet

408270 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, #1477 of 2062 🔗

Scotland had one called The Maiden. Good name.

408332 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Awkward Git, #1478 of 2062 🔗

may the lord deliver us from Hell Hull and Halifax (and Hancock)

408178 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to LMS2, 2, #1479 of 2062 🔗

Necessity is the mother of invention.

408083 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1480 of 2062 🔗

Well, if we don’t we should order some. Probably manufactured in China, but in this case I’m willing to overlook that.

408087 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1481 of 2062 🔗

I’ve seen one on Gumtree

Collect only

408182 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1482 of 2062 🔗

No way am I driving all the way to Paris.

408085 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TheClone, 4, #1483 of 2062 🔗

How about the 1351 Treason Act. It states:

“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”

“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere

Definition of adherent: A supporter, as of a cause or individual

Or the 1848 Treason Felony Act where it states as an act of treason against Person of His said Majesty, His Heirs or Successors:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

Definition of overawe:

Transitive Verb

: to restrain or subdue by awe

Definition of awe:

1: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime

2: archaic definition that would have been in use when the Act was written:

a : DREAD, TERROR

b : the power to inspire dread

Certain persons in Parliament and their advisors are increasingly likely and can be seen to be adherents that are linked in an almost incestuous web of finance and connections to a few organisations and individuals who’s names keep appearing over and over again when these links are looked at even superficially and these adherents have given them aid and comfort (reported openly are billions of pounds sterling “donated” to GAVI and WHO amongst others and many “ contracts” for vaccines given to companies that are connected to these adherents and the organisations they are supporting) and both Houses of Parliament seem to be overawed as this is the only logical reason they are silent and so supine up until now.

The Prime minister has been reported in recent months to be “looking at reviewing the laws on treason” which is quite telling based on the above description of what constitutes treason.

408145 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, #1484 of 2062 🔗

I thought Blair had done away with that before his involvement with dodgy stuff

408202 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1485 of 2062 🔗
408124 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to TheClone, 1, #1486 of 2062 🔗

How would the Supreme Court view the use of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 to deter persons evading rules intended to deal with a wholly medical issue and nothing to do with financial fraud or money or currency.?
Is there a mechanism for challenging this ministerial decision in a lower court, knowing that any ruling there against Hancock will be challenged by the Govt (with taxpayers money ) repeatedly until it finally arrives at the Supreme Court.
Will it finally depend not on legal principles but latent cronyism amongst the members of the Court – or am I being unfair to the Law Lords who make up the Supreme Court?

408067 mwhite, replying to mwhite, -12, #1487 of 2062 🔗

It seems that the virus is evolving to combat the lockdown and social distancing.

These new variants seem to be more contagious.

408073 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mwhite, 7, #1488 of 2062 🔗

Nah just forcing more people into test! Have you been reading the BBC again!!

408092 ▶▶▶ mwhite, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1489 of 2062 🔗

No it was an Indian doctor theorising as to why they had not seen these new variants establishing themselves in India.
The lockdown in India was chaotic and failed.

408096 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mwhite, 5, #1490 of 2062 🔗

Yes there was a picture where they left their shopping bags 2 meters apart in a queue whilst the people all huddled together in the shade yapping away.

408108 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mwhite, #1491 of 2062 🔗

Perhaps he meant that these particular mutations had not been seen there.

Mutations will always occur.

According to the official figures, India seems to be benefitting greatly from its ‘chaotic and failed’ lockdown.

408183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 5, #1492 of 2062 🔗

Yes, India’s lockdowns really failed — their deaths per 1 million = 112 vs. 1686 per 1 million for the UK. Imagine that, and they have all the so-called risk factors — non-white, poor, high-density living, multi-generational families living together. You’d think “the science” would be interested in figuring out why India’s “chaotic and failed” lockdown has worked so well.

408102 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mwhite, 5, #1493 of 2062 🔗

Well, I consider lockdowns, SD and masks to all be irrelevant for humans.

That is what the data shows.

That doesn’t rule out mutations due to selective pressure on a subset of viruses, which of course will occur, but for the virome as a whole the aforementioned measures make no difference.

408113 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to mwhite, 1, #1494 of 2062 🔗

Even if they are it’s a quicker route to herd immunity.

408146 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mwhite, 7, #1495 of 2062 🔗

The mutants were made up to ensure compliance over the Christmas lockdown.They will be used to continue lockdown indefinitely until new vaccines are created to combat them.The government have created their forever war.

408204 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mwhite, 2, #1496 of 2062 🔗

The only that’s more contagious is the fear and hysteria.

408086 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #1497 of 2062 🔗

Took the grandchildren to the park this afternoon. Very cold but sunny. By chance they met some school friends. They all ran around having fun to the point of exhaustion

By the time they got back to our place the lights of my life had the reddest cheeks in the world

The OH said that she had a phone call about 3pm ‘did we want the vaccine’ it was available if we wanted. A polite no thanks.

At 5pm I get a call from a mate on my mobile, yes you guessed it ‘Did I want the vaccine’ A polite no thanks

The two callers are not known to each other and I do not know of any connection between them

We are 63 and are in the 7th