2021-02-14

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414537 Rich, replying to Rich, 126, #1 of 1646 🔗

The level of outrage I feel towards lockdowns sometimes makes it difficult to have a charitable attitude towards those who are going along with it. But, it helps when I remember that most of them are just sincerely doing what they think is right.

Also, civilization needs some level of conformity and obedience. Not everyone can be an independent, critical thinker – especially during a time of mass panic. I want them to be more like that, but if they aren’t then an attitude of kind understanding towards them will help bring them to our side.

Our fellow citizens are being emotionally blackmailed and taken advantage of by tyrants. We are all in an abusive relationship with our governments. In that sense we really are “all in this together”.

414539 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Rich, 22, #2 of 1646 🔗

Record-high number of suicidal children forces San Francisco to sue its own school district to reopen
NEWS
There’s a 66% increase in the number of suicidal children in the emergency room

https://www.theblaze.com/news/suicides-children-san-francisco-schools-reopen?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New-Trending-Story_WEEKEND%202021-02-13&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

414540 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Rich, 17, #3 of 1646 🔗

THOUSANDS Gather In Austria Vienna / Hugo Talks #lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ejbzAymtY

414881 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #5 of 1646 🔗

Does anyone know how to find the MHRA data? I can only find the ‘wishy washy’ summaries.

415666 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Basileus, 4, #6 of 1646 🔗

Professor Tim Spector Calls Out The Government & Media Fear Mongering, Sky News CUT HIM OFF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SMX9_yBO10

WE GOT A PROBLEM
153K subscribers

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Shopped To Cops: Amanda Holden Did NOTHING Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itrM_d7W43c

Amanda Holden being shopped to the cops by Cornish curtain twitchers reveals to us just how fast Lockdown Britain is sliding down the slippery the slope to losing the values we once held dear.

Have we lost our humanity as well as our damn minds?! What has happened to us to see us so quickly regress into the kind of society that will happily shop our elderly neighbours in because their celebrity daughter has rushed to see they’re alright after a distressing phone call?!

Join Darren’s new communit y: http://www.darrengrimes.locals.com

414542 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Rich, 120, #7 of 1646 🔗

Morning everyone!

My government is expecting me to be at the vaccination centre at 1:30pm but I love my freedom too much.

People are saying well you won’t be able to go abroad, but as I don’t wear a mask I could not get on a flight and certainly would not enjoy being around masked holiday makers. I will feel more free here at least I can stand my ground and not be tracked.

414545 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Marialta, 92, #8 of 1646 🔗

Yes, imagine a river cruise (our originally intended holiday, held over from last year) with all passengers and crew shrouded in face knickers. A fortnight on a floating morgue.
Ye gods. Even if the morguefest was allowed by our Fascist masters, I’d pay not to go on it.

414550 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Annie, 52, #9 of 1646 🔗

Seeing the masked zombies on the seafront here is bad enough ….Masked bikini clad holidaymakers on the beach abroad – yuk

414553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Marialta, 85, #10 of 1646 🔗

I do not want to go on holiday somewhere where everyone is muzzled up. Many countries especially in Europe are complete mask zealots and it isn’t even possible to be exempt like in this country. And in many you have to be masked up just to have a walk. How is this a holiday and especially in European Summer heat? I will happily pass or will be looking for somewhere in the future, that says no to all this absolute rubbish including vaccines. Perhaps it may mean going to somewhere less developed that simply cannot afford to turn people away. If nowhere exists then so be it.

414591 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Suzyv, 2, #11 of 1646 🔗

Jordan, Petra?

414594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #12 of 1646 🔗
415224 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to FedupofLies, 2, #13 of 1646 🔗

i am hoping this means no vaccine and no masks at all ? just what i wanted!fantastic news if so

414829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Suzyv, 9, #14 of 1646 🔗

my nephew is currently on vacation in Zanzibar, part of Tanzania. They live in UAE so probably not locked up by the stazi government like we are. I believe it’s chilled there and mask free!

414941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #15 of 1646 🔗

The Swiss journalist from Bittel TV is currently there. Well deserved.
Be jealous here: Live – Sansibar Tag 2 – Test · DLive

415734 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #16 of 1646 🔗

My friend escaped the UK just after Christmas and went to Tanzania to enjoy better weather and fewer restrictions. Unfortunately, a few days ago he developed malaria!

415664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Suzyv, 7, #17 of 1646 🔗

Yes, holidays may be a thing of the past. The mask rules in say Spain and the general hassle associated with flying are without both precedent and any semblance of sense.

415876 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Suzyv, #18 of 1646 🔗

Oxford Start Jab Trials For Kids As Young As 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0FNI9LBjI

414964 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marialta, 24, #19 of 1646 🔗

Andrew Bolt, Sky News Australia (Youtube) was incandescent about the mandated wearing of muzzles even on empty beaches in Victoria – literally empty! These tyrants are transparent in their evil intent.

414755 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Annie, 20, #20 of 1646 🔗

These truly are crimes against humanity.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/if-seniors-dying-from-covid-19-wasnt-bad-enough-now-comes-a-new-form-of-evil

Retirement home removed door handles to residents’ rooms during COVID outbreak
Removing door handles to trap seniors in their rooms was so “disturbing” the CEO of the company that owns the retirement home was furious.

torontosun.com

415742 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #21 of 1646 🔗

Or, the CEO was attempting to escape legal liability … 🙂

414570 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Marialta, 44, #22 of 1646 🔗

Any holiday for me would have to be in an isolated area with very little exposure to others as being surrounded by people in face nappies is just to stressful and I’d be at risk of ramming a discarded one down someone’s throat.

414578 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Marialta, 145, #23 of 1646 🔗

“You won’t be able to go abroad…” bullshit. I can’t believe how many are just taking this for gospel now and falling straight into the trap the government lays out for them. The vaccines have not proven anything at this point…! Don’t people realize the magnitude of this scam!?

The vaccination passports will be much harder to implement than people think and the more people like you who stand their ground and say NO, the faster this shit show will implode.

There will be lawsuits, I am sure. If no one is willing to sign an informed consent form for the vaccine how can they pressure you having it and how can they implement a vaccine passport on top? France has barely had any vaccinations, do you think it will stop them going on holiday!?

Use your critics thinking folks. They will try yes, but this isn’t easy and offers plenty of opportunities for us to make this shit show implode. Say NO to vaccine and vaccine passport. Claim your right to freedom of movement as a human being.

Magna est veritas et prevalebit. Grand is the truth and it shall prevail. This shit show MUST end and it is up to people like us to make it end. Thank your for saying NO.

414597 ▶▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to Pebbles, 72, #24 of 1646 🔗

I spend one day despairing that it’s the end of the world and other days thinking they’ll never pull it off. Any company that would force someone to take a vaccine that is in clinical trials is setting itself up to get sued. it’s easy enough to bump off poor old people in a care home and say it’s just old age. If there’s something wrong with it or even if just had some side effects certain people with be all over Facebook commenting. You can’t force people to take something that’s in clinical trials. I don’t want/need it as I’m only 45 but if I had to take it there’s no way I wouldn’t wait until 2023 having read about what happened with swine flu. There are enough businesses desperate for income that won’t be bothered about whether you’ve been jabbed. It’s just more mind messing that’s going on at moment to try and force people to take a vaccine they don’t need.

414664 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jennybean, 78, #25 of 1646 🔗

Except never give in – I do sense there are a few people on here that might succumb to pressure to have the Vax. The sooner we all say VERY FIRMLY “I am NOT having The vax – ever….no matter what….you’d have to kill me first (but I’d make sure I killed you for trying)” the sooner it will be over. I have absolutely no “ifs/buts/reservations” of any description in my mind. I am absolutely clear I will never ever have the Vax – no matter what. I would still be absolutely clear I will never ever have it – even if I was used to a couple of foreign holidays every year and had an employer I knew would try and blackmail me into it and had made the mistake of marrying someone that turned out to be a sheep and was pressurising from within my own home. If it meant no holidays ever/bringing an unfair dismissal claim against a (former) employer and divorcing the sheep – then that’s what it would be.

414685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mariehelene, replying to ElizaP, 59, #26 of 1646 🔗

I’m never ever getting this jab and people should stay strong ! They stupidly compare it to wearing seat belts or stopping at red lights for keeping other people safe (!!) but this is INJECTED into your blood stream and as far as I know total gamble , vaccine roulette, and an assault on your immune system, so no way, ever, ever!

414875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mariehelene, 23, #27 of 1646 🔗

Plus the vax is leading in to surveillance and the social credit system.

415208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #28 of 1646 🔗

Yes its all little steps and the majority haven’t a clue.

414705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to ElizaP, 42, #29 of 1646 🔗

I’m equally stubborn about this too. I can feel my stomach curling up into a spikey hedgehog-like ball at the thought of this “vaccine” even more than it does at the thought of shop muzzles.

414784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 29, #30 of 1646 🔗

That is exactly how I feel too.
I frequently have a real feeling of dread at what is being done to our freedom and I don’t like it one bit.

415688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #31 of 1646 🔗

Muzzles are a menace, but are not permanent. Once vaccinated with these highly experimental biological agents you can’t undo it. You are at their mercy.

414726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to ElizaP, 13, #32 of 1646 🔗

My thoughts exactly Eliza P

415030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to ElizaP, 16, #33 of 1646 🔗

the Vax

But what is THE bloomin’ VAX? There are several vaxxes, some of which technically are not vaccinations, in the pre-C19 sense of the word, but untried, untested mRNA gene therapy . Others, like Russia’s Sputnik V for example, are more or less orthodox vaccines using a weakened virus. Problem is they have all become neatly & deliberately conflated, with full UK regime approval.
Do you know what cocktail’s going into your arm?

415697 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 7, #34 of 1646 🔗

I know exactly what’s going into my arm, precisely nothing.

415669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to ElizaP, 10, #35 of 1646 🔗

The more I read about these vaccines, the less i want one. I’m not bothered about holidays or even restaurants if it came down to it. I’m more worried that children will be threatened with no school in future of they don’t have it. Anti Vax is just something Behavioural Scientists have made up to make sane people feel bad about taking something that has no long terms effects known. I have nothing against drugs that have been tested for years but it’s really immoral to force it On people who don’t need it and hope it doesn’t damage them!

414869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jennybean, 18, #36 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately, it’s working. I know three people – one a confirmed mockdown sceptic – who have taken the jab so when things open up they’ll be allowed to participate. The brainwashing is scarily effective.

414882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #37 of 1646 🔗

There are plenty of us saying ‘No’.

414954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #38 of 1646 🔗

I do not believe scenarios published in MSM and comments of doom on here will come true.

So I will hold out and wait -and have faith- for the best.
If it does come true, I can always change my mind if I will give in or find ways to blab my way through. False certificates will be available, and does the person on the door to the cinema really care if your vax certificate is is real?

415128 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Cheezilla, 37, #39 of 1646 🔗

So what are they going to do when people who are vaccinated suddenly come down with Covid..!? And inevitably they will… it’s already happening. They will blame it on a new variant and lock down the country so your jab ain’t going to get you far.
I predict for this summer they will run travel restrictions on tests alone whilst trying to implement the passports… meanwhile the side effects will become more and more apparent. Vaccinated people will become ill… really ill… and then more will be able to understand the inherent ADE problem in C-vaccines, if they are still alive that is.
It will still get really crazy, but caving in out of pressure and coercion is not on option. Always understand that the harder they try the weaker they already are… they know we are nearing an important threshold in March, when the weather changes and people can’t be contained in their houses easily.
March – October is our window as make no mistake they will try an amplified version of this winter, next winter. This is our window to bring truth to the world.
Hold steady, say NO.

415210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Pebbles, 13, #40 of 1646 🔗

HOLD THE LINE! as they say.

415713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Pebbles, 6, #41 of 1646 🔗

You have a very firm grasp on reality. Things will go from bad to worse. Resistance to the vaccines is the best weapon we have.

414676 ▶▶▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Pebbles, 48, #42 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely right, Pebbles! I have no intention of getting a vaccine to go back to my country France where I have family and a house! I will take them to court if necessary and invoke the Nuremberg code! If I need to I will stay in france until the shit show recedes, but you’re right, they can’t organise a piss up in a brewery so this will be too complicated for them. Besides, the french are not that keen on arbitrary and experimental vaccines so I rely on them to derail the whole plan!

414851 ▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to mariehelene, 17, #43 of 1646 🔗

Yes i read that the French reluctance to take the vaxx is quite high which is good news for us. I think one difference (and a generalisation) is that your typical surburban working French family take their august vacation in france, but the brits have to travel out of country to get their sunshine beach holiday. I work for a french company and never hear of them going to greece or spain for vacation – always south france or brittany etc.
So there is less incentive for the french to get the vaxx if they generally don’t go abroad so much. However that doesn’t preclude the french authorities mandating foreigners to have the vaxx cert to enter.

415220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #44 of 1646 🔗

We lived in France for a couple of years and our French neighbour often said the French didn’t have to go abroad, they have everything on their doorstep. And its true!

415748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #45 of 1646 🔗

Well, except for good beer and good footie. 🙂

415200 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Pebbles, 2, #46 of 1646 🔗

I totally agree with you.

415248 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Pebbles, 4, #47 of 1646 🔗

so good to read thank you pebbles. i won’t ever get that vaccine or anyfutrue ones they hav e planned for us.have not had a vaccine since age 5 about, and am not about to start now ..

and i’m going to travel and without a mask.

415266 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Pebbles, 7, #48 of 1646 🔗

so glad to read so many here like me was getting discouraged.. no way will i get a vaccine .don ‘t give in anyone . one scpetic friend of mine said would get vaccine if meant couldn’t travel otherwise . not me !-im going to travel and im not getting any vaccine , will try to convince my friend too

414589 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Marialta, 7, #49 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think ‘abroad’ is on the table for anyone in a long time.

414742 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #50 of 1646 🔗

I still havnt finished exploring this country

414886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to primesinister, 8, #51 of 1646 🔗

They’re clearly working on severely restricting our travel in this country. Read dePiffle’s blatherings very carefully and see what is actually being said among the bluster.

415092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Cheezilla, #52 of 1646 🔗

We will have to run to the hills

414961 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #53 of 1646 🔗

I think Spain etc will be forced for economic reasons to accept everyone.

415750 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #54 of 1646 🔗

Interesting use of the verb ‘to think’.

414612 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Marialta, 51, #55 of 1646 🔗

OH and I went to Spain last July. We wore our lanyards at the airport and on the plane and no-one questioned us at all. We got a few stares but simply stared back. We met one other person at the gate who also wore a lanyard.

In Spain, there was a nominal check in the luggage hall where our temperature was taken.

The hotel accepted our exemption cards and again, no-one questioned us.
We admit that we took masks with us into the street in case we saw a policeman-apparently you needed a medical certificate to prove exemption, which you cannot get of course in the U.K. If we saw a police car, we popped on the masks for a few seconds.

As there was barely anyone about, in what is normally a crowded resort, social distancing took place at about 100 metres!

The only time we did wear a mask was to walk around the market and that was only because there was a local cop there who didn’t know anything about exemptions. We were only there for about twenty minutes though as again, it was hardly busy and therefore much easier to get around.

The only downside for us was the introduction of U.K. quarantine the day after our arrival in Spain, but again, no-one checked on us at all once we arrived home.

I took the opportunity of going to the dentist’s while I was in Spain, (we used to live there) to have a root canal filling and an implant (tmi I know), something which I could not have done in the U.K.

Travelling back on the plane, there was some problem with the seating so the empty seat next to me was occupied by a chap who was not bothered in the slightest by my naked face. There was an empty seat in front of us which he chose not to take. He was more bothered about being quarantined when he arrived home!

The tourist industry, in places like Spain, will never recover until all restrictions are lifted and people are getting the sort of holidays for which they paid.

414621 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Margaret, 25, #56 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think the Masters of the World are concerned about mid-level and low-level tourist industry.

It will be private jets and very high end hotels from now on.

414654 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FedupofLies, 15, #57 of 1646 🔗

Bill Gates has recently bought a private jet company.

414666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #58 of 1646 🔗

Called ‘Lolita Express 2’? MW

414738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #59 of 1646 🔗

I hate that man. So if he is so concerned about Climate Change what’s he doing buying a private jet company???

414748 ▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #60 of 1646 🔗

Me thinks that is already the case.

414729 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Marialta, #61 of 1646 🔗

well said .

415801 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Marialta, #62 of 1646 🔗

Sturgeon RIGS Postal Vote Campaign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhDy7NkFVxo
Mahyar Tousi

414544 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Rich, 42, #63 of 1646 🔗

Our ex-fellow citizens, now the zombie population among whom human beings struggle to live and move, are cowards and fools. A sincere coward and fool is still a coward and a fool.

414573 ▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 29, #64 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. I just see them as enablers now. They can take their heil hitler/stay safe Gessler greetings and swastika armbands/ muzzles and shove ‘em.

414752 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, 3, #65 of 1646 🔗

I like that and tend to agree.

415095 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, 1, #66 of 1646 🔗

And all zombies in a film i saw were cured with shovel te tha heed

414587 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Rich, 22, #67 of 1646 🔗

I LOATHE activism and protesting.

But when it comes to FASCISM then EVERYONE must pick their side.

414660 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Rich, 18, #68 of 1646 🔗

Some may prefer to stay in a lockdown of their own mind sadly.

415179 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fiona Walker, #69 of 1646 🔗

Every character was wearing a mask until Biden was erected. Now the masks have all gone (except this one) even pre-Biden. The cartoonist must have been expecting this, with the masks in a separate layer which could be disabled at will. Stalinesque rewriting of cartoon history!

415336 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fiona Walker, #70 of 1646 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG0L_r_KjYk
Social distancing before Covid…

414913 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rich, 11, #71 of 1646 🔗

Being sincere and wrong is absolutely no excuse and is the mark of the zealot. Their passion for all things lockdown is exceedingly dangerous and they are the perfect foil for Johnson’s tyrannical government .

415149 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Rich, 10, #72 of 1646 🔗

Its funny but I had a bit of a shift in perspective yesterday. I’ve been trying to move through this as calmly as possible, trying to not get aggressive with those who seem forever attached to their face masks and all the rules. I know this all about keeping us divided. I walked past the M&S Food Hall queue yesterday, which is now housed in a makeshift shelter (I suppose you could say at least M&S have actually provided SOME shelter for the winter) but it just looked like a cattle pen. This is the first queue I’ve seen outside a shop for a while.The people in their masks were waiting to be “allowed” into the store. It was freezing cold. They all looked pretty dejected. And I realised they all wanted to bloody do was perhaps to get a bit celebration food or whatever, maybe for Valentines day today – I’m surprised that wasn’t banned. Instead of feeling angry I felt a sudden pang of compassion. We’re ALL trying to navigate our way around this as best as we can and we all want the same outcome (well, most of us do!) It’s not the people around us that’s the problem, its those that think they weald control over us – they’re the only ones we have to really push the full force of our anger at.

415465 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #73 of 1646 🔗

Remind you of Russians queuing for food? Preconditioning.

416105 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Rich, 1, #74 of 1646 🔗

This comment takes the cake, on a site that takes the cake.

People know the score. They choose to collude.

And civilisation, to use your terms, needs consent, not conformity.

414538 Judy Watson, 8, #75 of 1646 🔗

OOOOPS made a typo yesterday on my ‘stay safe’ rant should have read 80 deaths so far from covid-19 not 890.

Morning all.

414543 mark-away-away, replying to mark-away-away, 14, #76 of 1646 🔗

A warning to the one that got away – or might yet not. I’m a British sceptic feeling grateful to be living in the US at the moment -one of the more deranged states, but still less of an asylum than home. The US has a ban on exU.K. entry for non-citizens and non-permanent residents, and you need an exemption from the embassy to get around this, not just ESTA permission. Unless you’ve omitted some details from your post it is unfortunately ‘disinformation’ that the anti-sceptic junta will enjoy taking apart, and you’ll be turned away at check in. I’ve been able to meet up with loved ones in Turkey, Bermuda and Mexico throughout the pandemic and would encourage ‘job seeking’ in those places until the US restores some of its border sanity.

414567 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to mark-away-away, 5, #77 of 1646 🔗

You could just walk in from Mexico and claim asylum… nobody checks those people cause that’s RAAAAYYYYCIST

414599 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to mark-away-away, 13, #78 of 1646 🔗

There are large open spaces in the United States, to set up a log cabin and hide from Gates et al. Can’t do that in the UK.

415234 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #79 of 1646 🔗

That sounds idyllic.

415446 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to FedupofLies, #80 of 1646 🔗

Go full Thoreau. I like it.

414610 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to mark-away-away, 6, #81 of 1646 🔗

Ah that’s disappointing, I enjoyed reading that story. I hope the person in question isn’t too dispirited.

414546 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 38, #82 of 1646 🔗

Say NO to vaxx passport!

414601 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TheClone, 15, #83 of 1646 🔗

Just the whole thing. Mass experimentation, now on children.

I wonder if they think children are easier to experiment on than 18 to 40 year olds.

The stupid parents might agree to it. And evil parents. I hope not.

415188 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FedupofLies, 7, #84 of 1646 🔗

Th manaufacturers state explicitly that the drugs should not be given to children younger than 16 years. Any attempt to forcefully vaccinate children would be definitive Dr Mengele territory.

414769 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TheClone, 1, #85 of 1646 🔗

Signed, asked Whately to vote against (fat chance!).

414547 Annie, replying to Annie, 68, #86 of 1646 🔗

Angry piece referenced ATL about an American women who doesn’t want to wear a second face nappy.
But she accepted the first one. Once you’ve submitted and the thumbscrew has been fitted, you can hardly be surprised if the torturers give it another twist.

414651 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 14, #87 of 1646 🔗

Agree. If people accept tyranny no matter how mild or benign it is don’t be surprised if it gets worse.

414671 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 7, #88 of 1646 🔗

Yep – they got their “thin end of the wedge”. Or “give them an inch and they’ll take a mile”. I do like these old sayings – clearly the voice of experience.

414548 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #89 of 1646 🔗

From

Act like you have it

To

Act like it’s only flu

In 24 hours

Will they be posting comments on LS next?

414762 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 6, #90 of 1646 🔗

‘They’ are!

415450 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #91 of 1646 🔗

Might help them out if they read the comments here.

414549 eptwll, 5, #92 of 1646 🔗

This particular document from the San Francisco Department of Public Health has been saved in multiple forms in my file of Peak Covid-19 idiocy, which apparently will never know any bounds. Scroll to the bottom for the handy guide graphic. https://www.sfcdcp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/COVID-19_Tips-for-Safer-Sex_FINAL_COVID-19-Sexual-Health-Tips_09.05.2020.pdf

414551 Niborxof, 17, #93 of 1646 🔗

BJs dashboard of despair in the telegraph is yet more lipstick on this dead pig. People need your dashboard about as much as they need masks and having their lives squeezed out them you imbecilic follower in chief.

414552 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 103, #94 of 1646 🔗

Even if they lifted all restrictions tomorrow this putrid government must understand that the contract between those governing and the governed has been destroyed forever. After 23rd March 2020 we ceased to be a democracy and were in fact dictated to be by a globalist billionaire class who only want to destroy and have destroyed our ways of life. Never forget and never forgive, get them on f^^^^ trial for human rights abuses.

414556 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 42, #95 of 1646 🔗

Nuremberg2. Keep on stockpiling the evidence.

414575 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to nickbowes, 42, #96 of 1646 🔗

Totally agree. I will never forgive, never trust, never stop deploring these scumbags.

414602 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 35, #97 of 1646 🔗

My life has meaning it never did before. The perpetrators of this vile scandal are my lifelong enemy!

414779 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 7, #98 of 1646 🔗

They have always been my enemy. Never could they be trusted, I learned that at an early age.

414616 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 93, #99 of 1646 🔗

my world view has literally turned 180 degrees in the past year. It’s not only politicians and world leaders that I loathe, fear and distrust, but professionals and institutions of all kinds: – modern medicine, scientists, lawyers, journalists, teachers – they are all fallen in my eyes, they are all scum, liars, self-serving charlatans. As for people in general, I now see they are more stupid, selfish and cowardly than I ever could have dreamed of. Much as I deplore what is going on, there is a growing part of me that thinks humanity deserves it, and it wouldn’t be so bad after all if it were wiped from the face of the earth. And yet, and yet, and yet ….however reduced, there is still that spark of the divine: the few brave souls who have spoken out, the innocence of children…

414758 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #100 of 1646 🔗

Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity. Except engineers perhaps, although from Beria to Bin Laden we have our share of rotters.

415110 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #101 of 1646 🔗

I do so agree with this.

415470 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to JaneHarry, #102 of 1646 🔗

i so agree too

415505 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #103 of 1646 🔗

There is a lot more dissent and connectivity than you think. Many young people will not take this Reset crap. In India millions of farmers are protesting against so called land reforms,ie globalist theft of small farmers. It is shite at present but Natural Law will prevail eventually when these soulless excuses for humanity are brought to task and fade into the oblivion they deserve.

415449 ▶▶ Edward, replying to nickbowes, 15, #104 of 1646 🔗

Yes. Even if the restrictions are slowly lifted, even if the economy slowly improves, I am as resolved as I’ve ever been about anything never to vote Conservative again. Or Labour either, obviously

415454 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Edward, 9, #105 of 1646 🔗

I withdrew my consent from this appalling sham of a democracy a long time ago. Voting only legitimises it. No thanks.

415677 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, 2, #106 of 1646 🔗

Agree. And if ther Lib Dems or Greens think they get my vote automatically they are sorely mistaken.

415721 ▶▶ stewart, replying to nickbowes, 5, #107 of 1646 🔗

Completely right.

Until the actions of the 23rd March 2020 are not completely repudiated we will not recover hope of real freedom.

414555 Annie, replying to Annie, 86, #108 of 1646 🔗

St Valentine’s day today. ❤️ 💕 💗
Hug somebody.
Virtual hugs to all sceptics, and particularly sceptical lovers, and most particularly, sceptics who are separated from their loved ones, and sceptics whose loved ones’ brains have been fried by the evil Fascist bastards’ poison propaganda.
The saints fight with us.

414563 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 45, #109 of 1646 🔗

One aspect of this that still continues to shock me is the disregard that politicians have for families and friends. When I hear talk of coming out of ‘lock-down’ the first thing I look to see is when and how the restrictions on meeting family and friends are going to be lifted? But I look at all the talk today and it is hard to see any mention of when we can meet up with family and friends, it is as if it is the last thing on their minds. I do not care if the shops and pubs re-open; if we cannot meet up with friends and family then the lockdown is as awful and inhuman as ever.

414564 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Martindale, 83, #110 of 1646 🔗

They’ve never got it though, have they? I made a choice fairly early on. A potentially risky one before I knew what I do now and that was that I’d rather die than not be able to see my family. My Mum never spoke it – but instead communicated it through her actions – felt exactly the same. She would rather die than not be able to hug her grandchildren. She remains alive and kicking by the way.

I feel sorry for the people that have passed away in the last year adhering to the rules. Not seeing loved ones in the pursuit of some unobtainable, overarching greater good. I wasn’t going to go that way.

414582 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 29, #111 of 1646 🔗

Not seeing loved ones because they had been turned into terrified imbeciles. What an achievement, Bozo. It will go down in history.

414604 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tom Blackburn, 28, #112 of 1646 🔗

that’s great, but the problem some of us have is that our families and friends have bought into the bullshit, and they refuse to see us…

414609 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #113 of 1646 🔗

Any grandparent who doesn’t want to see their grandchildren is not a good grandparent.

Miserable, hateful bastards, ALL!

Baby boomers: the most SELFISH and NASTY generation in history.

They inherited Woodstock and they left us Operation Lockstep and Agenda 21/30. Thanks a lot!

414679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #114 of 1646 🔗

You’re welcome!

MW and AG (Baby Boomers)

414985 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to FedupofLies, 10, #115 of 1646 🔗

Don’t choke on your soy latte in your ire. There’s plenty of Miserable, Hateful bastards out there in generations X,Y,Z.

415592 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #116 of 1646 🔗

I am a baby boomer and I do not buy into the Agenda

414680 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 15, #117 of 1646 🔗

Tell me about it! I’m still remembering the friend?/former friend? that tried to tell me off what about I put on my OWN Facebook page. Hello….you’re not allowed to say what I can/can’t say in my own home. You’re not allowed to say what I can/can’t say in my own virtual home (ie Facebook page).

414687 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JaneHarry, 26, #118 of 1646 🔗

Mine too Jane. I’ve barely seen my brother at all in the last year. He has fought off cancer twice in the last two years and to say he is spooked at the thought of catching Covid would be an understatement.

He’s the type of guy we (myself included) laugh about on here – swanning about Aldi with a gasmask on (at the start – it is strictly home deliveries only now). Windows closed in the summer, he had to relearn how to walk properly last month through not leaving his flat.

One of the most caring and considerate men you could ever meet that has been disabled by the propaganda. He is not alone.

414970 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #119 of 1646 🔗

Strange friends then aren’t they.

414607 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #120 of 1646 🔗

I live in a quite affluent part of Oxfordshire and have seen my neighbours violating the rules on a number of occasions, even though they are out there clapping and taking video at one point. Me, I don’t speak to anyone and was estranged from my parents until I rang them to ask them if they were taking the vaccine. They said they were, and I wondered why I bothered. They thought I was crazy. Well, fuck them! I told them to leave me all their property, but it is in France so fuck knows.

414803 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 40, #121 of 1646 🔗

On this note, I see that Amanda Holden is in trouble today (MoS) for visiting ill parents in Cornwall. Apparently a neighbour of her parents (thought to be a police officer) reported her. She went alone and is tested twice weekly so thought she posed little risk. You have to ask, what the hell is wrong with people that visiting sick elderly parents is reported to anyone? I actually think people have lost their minds …

415013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to LS99, 9, #122 of 1646 🔗

Certainly lost their common sense and their humanity.

415779 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to LS99, #123 of 1646 🔗

Twats like that need their houses burning down.

414919 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #124 of 1646 🔗

Many of them weren’t doing it to be charitable but because they were either protecting themselves or because they were afraid of getting into trouble.

414677 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #125 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely! It’s all simply “Bloody Lockdown” – whatever level it’s at. If it’s not 2019 terms – then it is still Lockdown. Or one could describe it as “Bloody Lockdown Lite” or “Bloody Lockdown Heavy” to differentiate. I do call it “Bloody Lockdown” too. Walking up to a queue-where-there-shouldnt-be-one I will always start by loudly asking person at the end of it “Is this a Bloody Lockdown queue?”. Never accept…never give in.

414786 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #126 of 1646 🔗

Meet them anyway and ignore the cnuts

414917 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #127 of 1646 🔗

That sums it up – though actually they are considering allowing us a lot less than most of us are already quietly getting on with!

The uninviting notion of coffee on a wet and windy park bench should get some of the terriers off KH’s back at least. Maybe, where more idiotic councils have physically removed them, they’ll have to put the benches back too.

414783 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, 11, #128 of 1646 🔗

Im going to hug my dog.

415016 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to primesinister, 6, #129 of 1646 🔗

I hugged several people yesterday but the cat will have to do today – and he’s sulking cos he doesn’t like his breakfast!

Sending illegal hugs to you all.

415104 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #130 of 1646 🔗

backatcha furry lover

414908 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 2, #131 of 1646 🔗

Hugs back to you too, Annie.

414557 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 61, #132 of 1646 🔗

Two things from the first article above:
1 How can I have coffee with a friend if households can’t mix?
2 Local authorities can keep pubs, etc shut till July (which they will).
This isn’t opening up; it’s still Lockdown. Pubs and stuff won’t open and Johnson will say, “It’s not us, it’s your local authority.”
The scam continues!

414561 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 8, #133 of 1646 🔗

Not a sniff my LA will stay shut. A less than 1% chance. I feel some of the more affluent home counties LAs might but that’s because they are chock full of lockdown wallopers

414655 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 4, #134 of 1646 🔗

Exactly. But the good thing about my local area is that there’s virtually nothing here so the council can’t continue to keep anything shut because there’s nothing to close in the first place.

414805 ▶▶ rose, replying to Ceriain, 3, #135 of 1646 🔗

And they’re going to manage increased cases with more local lockdowns, so no businesses can plan anything for more than a few days.

415600 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Ceriain, #136 of 1646 🔗

I sent a scathing email to our local „health authority“. Not surprisingly, I have not had a reply…

414558 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 74, #137 of 1646 🔗

I find this astonishing. Jonathon is right (for once); this is just a return to the tier system…
… and all the papers are talking about a fucking celebration.

Mark my words, Johnson and Handjob will get the scientists to go all out this week to create something to stop this.

The papers are trying to make Johnson look like some kind of hero. What a bunch of arseholes!

414613 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ceriain, 18, #138 of 1646 🔗

Long before he was mayor, I always found the Bonkers Boris persona to be infantile rubbish. As Peter Hitchens says, it is a stage name for cretins who believe such things.

414639 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Ceriain, 22, #139 of 1646 🔗

I agree. I don’t see the current headlines as lifting of lockdowns at all.
I want my freedom back now! Not after March….
I am really not afraid of coronavirus and would like to be able to do my own risk assessment.
Question is whether we are sitting on a tinderbox or whether most people don’t mind. There is no way of knowing .
And who do we vote for as all parties seem to be keen to curtail freedom?
May elections could be interesting.

415018 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to MFvH, 7, #140 of 1646 🔗

Yes The May elections could be very interesting. That’s assuming that SAGE don’t manage to cook up another excuse to postpone them yet again.
I suppose they still have enough time to get the Dominion voting machines on line for may.

415019 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MFvH, 3, #141 of 1646 🔗

Elections??

415459 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MFvH, 5, #142 of 1646 🔗

I’ll be spoiling my ballot paper by writing SCUM across the list of candidates, unless there’s an explicitly anti-lockdown candidate.

414767 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ceriain, #143 of 1646 🔗

I totally agree

414559 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 17, #144 of 1646 🔗

One more before I finish my rant.
Someone needs to tell the CRG that you cannot polish a turd.

414565 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 14, #145 of 1646 🔗

But you can roll it in glitter

414790 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Cecil B, 2, #146 of 1646 🔗

ha ha like that

414562 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 23, #147 of 1646 🔗

“Slowly opening the cage”
What is this garbage headline ?
This is more shifting and obscuring the agenda by the govt aided by media place men .

This is the next phase of the relentless push for total control :-

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/01/investigative-reports/silicon-valley-and-wef-backed-foundation-announce-global-initiative-for-covid-19-vaccine-records/

Research the commons project , Paul Meyer .
see where Blair fits in to all this , and the nexus of global vested interests WEF etc orchestrating it.

414577 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Bill Grates, 9, #148 of 1646 🔗

This is more shifting and obscuring the agenda by the govt aided by media place men .

exactly. Just more push-pull abusive manipulation.

414645 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill Grates, 17, #149 of 1646 🔗

Let out of the cell for exercise is a better analogy.Digital passports and digital currency are the long term aims.
Once instituted they mean the end of privacy and freedom.

414674 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #150 of 1646 🔗

Spot on as usual, jonathan.

414566 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 29, #151 of 1646 🔗

‘Picnics and coffee in the park as lockdown to lift from March 8, Government confirms’. (I don’t usually swear, but this article in the Telegraph needed a strong response.)

SERIOUSLY??!!

Picnics on the grass,
You are talking out you a$#,
Coffee on a bench,
These words have quite a stench.

Freedom has eroded,
Democracy corroded,
We must stand up to this,
These people take the ##$$.

414583 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Liberty, 18, #152 of 1646 🔗

I have had coffee in the parks since 23 March 2020. Ridiculous.

414596 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Pebbles, 34, #153 of 1646 🔗

Indeed, this is not freedom, it is a sign that we are living under a man who wishes to dictate our every move. I do not need his permission to live as a free person.

414734 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Pebbles, 5, #154 of 1646 🔗

Me too and picnics, ice-creams and beer. The council tape off the outdoor gym equipment every lockdown but that’s about it. They don’t even bother zip-tying the kiddie play areas now so these are open unlike in LD1.

414791 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Pebbles, 4, #155 of 1646 🔗

A friend and i had a picnic yesterday here (Welsh borders) after our walk – it was absolutely freezing cold but well worth it. And not the first time we’ve done it either.

414822 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to maggie may, 8, #156 of 1646 🔗

My husband had a picnic with our children on a bench recently. When he got home I mentioned that by doing that he had broken the law! He said he hadn’t thought of that, as he hasn’t, like most people, read the ins and outs of legislation. How therefore can they give us back that which we didn’t know we’d lost and call it release from lockdown?

414890 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to maggie may, 7, #157 of 1646 🔗

We regularly sit on benches and drink coffee/eat snacks. We bumped into our former fitness instructor while out walking (no classes for 11 months….) She said that she and her husband celebrated their wedding anniversary on top of a local hill and that the Prosecco they’d taken to toast themselves blew out sideways between the glasses and their mouths before they could drink it! She said it was worth it anyway. MW

415031 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Pebbles, #158 of 1646 🔗

Yes. My local park volunteer group sell takeaway bacon sarnies, homemade cake, hot drinks etc at the weekend, to help keep afloat. There is nowhere to sit or congregate near the cabin, so an area was provided with picnic tables a short walk away on a different level.

414825 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Liberty, 3, #159 of 1646 🔗

maybe we can get rid of some of the police too as they will obviously have fewer people to harass.

414568 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 22, #160 of 1646 🔗

Picnics on March 8th, in the UK? My, how I chuckled.

414686 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PatrickF, 6, #161 of 1646 🔗

You’d still be chuckling about that a month or two later in some parts of the country. Welcome to share a picnic in the park with me here in West Wales – but you’d probably have to wait till, say, June for it.

414569 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 147, #162 of 1646 🔗

Act like you have the virus

Act like you actually have a job to go back to

Act like your cancer is being treated

Act like you’ve been allowed to see your grandchildren

Act like you have not been been subject to psychological abuse

Act like you can go on holiday

Act like your business will survive

Act like you can afford to feed the children

Act like you can go to the pub

Act like you are not imprisoned in a care home

Act like you can leave the country

Act like the Pig Dictator tells the truth

Act like you can go to the gym

Act like you will get an education

Act as though you are not imprisoned in your own home

Act like you are not surrounded by informants

Act like you have not been jabbed with monkey gunk

Act like there have been no suicides

Act like your house will not be repossessed

Act like you can play golf

Act like Piers Morgan came from human stock

Act like there have been no arrests

Act like university is fun

Act like your not taking part in a huge medical experiment

Act like you can play sport

Act like they don’t intend to kill everyone

Act like you meet your children

Act like you not living under a dictatorship

414571 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 11, #163 of 1646 🔗

Bravo!

414579 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Cecil B, 20, #164 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant. On reading this, I laughed…5 seconds later, I wept.

414590 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Cecil B, 13, #165 of 1646 🔗

Good morning Cecil

Be my literary-political Valentine

414611 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Cecil B, 8, #166 of 1646 🔗

Because they Act like they govern.

414878 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cecil B, 3, #167 of 1646 🔗

it’s all one effing big act in a tragedy!

414572 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #168 of 1646 🔗

Excellent, proper sceptical and ballsy edition today, too marks, JB! Keep it up…

I have one small issue with the Miami trip story. Great idea in theory. However, I know the US immigration system very, very well. There is no way they let you into the country for a job interview at a bar! That’s not considered a specialist job that would ever qualify for a visa. If you put job interview on your ESTA, you’d be immediately called to the embassy for questioning. Even if you got the ESTA, saying “I’ve got a job interview for a bar job” at immigration wont cut it. I smell a rat or I predict disappointment…

414581 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #169 of 1646 🔗

Ten million would-be baristas breathe a sad sigh.

414593 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #170 of 1646 🔗

My thoughts too. I have Global Entry qualification to the US, having previously traveled six or seven times a year back, forth and through the US. It saved time at immigration. However, even I wouldn’t have got past the first question approaching the check in desk. “What is the purpose of your visit”

414704 ▶▶ mj, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #171 of 1646 🔗

i may have read this wrong, but isnt the confirmed job interview just the excuse for having a valid reason to travel for and from this country. In which case it doesnt matter that he would never get a work permit/visa to actually take the job. The plan seems to be just to apply for an ordinary visa to get into the u.s.a for a holiday i.e. holiday is the reason on the ESTA , and then the fact that you have a return ticket for two weeks later and seaside hotel booking will indicate that you are purely on holiday so this should be no problem.
after all the whole purpose is to have a holiday.

415846 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to mj, #172 of 1646 🔗

If your ESTA says “holiday” they won’t let you board as holidays are “illegal” at the moment. If your ESTA says “job interview” you’ll be denied entry in the US as you are not allowed to enter the US for purposes of SEEKING employment. You can get a job offer and be approved for a work visa but all has to be done from outside US. You can go to US for business purposes but only if you prove it is for something related to your fully paid employment in the UK.

414804 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #173 of 1646 🔗

What planet are you on? Worst I’ve seen in a long time, extolling vaccines,still talking about cases etc etc and finishing with that ignorant American twat rolling Communism, Socialism and Totalitarianism into one thing. How about Buddhism, Islam and Humanism next week bozo?

414849 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Bungle, -1, #174 of 1646 🔗

LDS is 77 today?
It may as well be.

415841 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bungle, 1, #175 of 1646 🔗

Oh maybe I missed something! I had a skim and thought it was okay… or maybe it felt better than recent fear-mongering versions.

414956 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #176 of 1646 🔗

x

414574 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 55, #177 of 1646 🔗

‘As part of a “carrot and stick” approach, ministers are also working on’

I AM NOT A FUCKING DONKEY

414980 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Cecil B, 3, #178 of 1646 🔗

Its not enough to bray emotionally reactive assertions.
The reward and punishment mechanism is a narrative capture of an innate pain-pleasure principle, but in the masking mind,of a lockdown to the body level, pleasure and and pain can become confused, such that short term relief from pain can become and attraction, a dependency and an addiction.

There is only token journalism here – but it runs a back room ‘kettle’ for commenters to vent their spleen and feel better in a group identity reinforcement.
The mind control ‘operation’ has many aspects but one of these is narrative management.
As long as we are emotionally reactive, we are invested and captured.
But the moment we look AT our emotional reaction and embrace it from a new perspective, we are free of the carrot and stick of the story we had been entranced to or taken on as our ‘self and world’.

Why don’t institutions of so called public service or duty offer information on aligning integrity in thought and health instead of suppressing immune resilience for the imposition of an external dependence-capture?

Why don’t lockdown sceptics (sic) – grow a consciousness of what is needed?
Because the narrative is set to herd the vacca (cattle) to the milking shed, the abattoir, the bio-research lab, the bio-fuel hopper. In short to induce them to consent to be used, predated upon, experimented on and enslaved. In exchange for … what exactly?

Free the mind because the mind in truth IS freedom.
Act as if you have it!
Rather than act out self-denying narrative guilt and fear in ‘sickness’ or its ‘protection’
Unless of course, you insist!

This post continues in the theme of freeing the mind at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/carrot-and-stick-management-inc.html

414576 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 21, #179 of 1646 🔗

St Valentine was beheaded for secretly marrying Christians who were being persecuted. We need people of such courage today.

414580 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 14, #180 of 1646 🔗

Don’t look to the churches, then.

414592 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 15, #181 of 1646 🔗

Thankfully I know some Christian ministers who see through all this. They are few in number, but they are men of conviction. I do believe that through this crisis many in the church (who were only pew warmers) will fall away from the church, but a remnant will hold on and share truth and love with those in need.

414669 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 16, #182 of 1646 🔗

As a complete committed atheist, I am so happy to hear this. I have absolute respect for TRUE Christians or believers of any faith… those who truly believe do not force their views on others or use a doctrine to control people.

414761 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #183 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for your respect, it is much appreciated.

414595 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 11, #184 of 1646 🔗

the churches have failed again, just as they did in nazi Germany. I think they produced some examples of courage and moral stature under Stalin, although he largely succeeded in crushing Christianity

414605 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #185 of 1646 🔗

The church has failed but God has not. He is using this to refine the church and shake off the false Christians and wake the rest of us up from our slumber. The events we see unfolding are playing out as Bible prophecy has said they would. Those who know their Bible and believe it can see through what is going on.

414617 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, #186 of 1646 🔗

Is that before or after the real estate grab for Anglican churches?

414625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #187 of 1646 🔗

I think the Anglican Church will divide, especially over the gay marriage ‘year of learning’ which the Anglican Church is currently subject to. GAFCON will not tolerate it. The Southern Hemisphere Anglicans will not tolerate it. The true believers who hold onto the truth of Scripture will separate away from the apostate church. The church is not a building anyway, it is the people of God. We can gather in homes, barns and woodland. The church cannot be closed.

415099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to FedupofLies, #188 of 1646 🔗

The identification in structure masks over identity in relational honesty – consecrated to the Spirit of truth.

The ‘moth and rust’ doth corrupt the corruptible or the maggots eat the dead and decaying flesh. In that sense they perform a service to the breaking of a false or mis-taken ID – that has to Cover its sin so as to mask in ‘virtue’ and be given social currency to set fig leaves against disclosure, while pretending to work toward the Master’s return or the end of lockdown.

It is a mind level lockdown that the physical is used to symbolise and represent as magical association. It is also part of an inherited pattern that has developed over millennia. The pattern, device or ‘Beast’ is revealing itself for lack of capacity to support its own masking.
The ‘lord’ that steps forth to crown itself is forced and false.
Love does not ‘lord it’ as coercion and deceit – but such was the wish to ‘be as gods’ rather than be the love that we are.

Relational honesty is not what you think. For our own thinking is taking the attention and focus we could extend to another as our self. There is no other way to recognise truth than the willingness to receive it.
But if we choose to roll our own, we get to spin our own yarn with smoke and mirrors! (That sets a curriculum for re-education and rehabilitation to a wakening of willingness for truth, in place of self-wilful assertion).

The practice of Christian virtue is the sharing of a Gift, not the wishful substitutions of ritualised ‘identity’. Under whatever name – or none – the Holy Spirit of a true Discernment is not absent any situation. All are Called but few choose to listen. However, the self fulfilling hell of pain and loss in loveless isolation finds limit of tolerance, such that disturbance uncovers a willingness for a deepening honesty of being.

Love wists where it will. A living Will, is felt within the living and not imposed upon it as if set over and apart a distanced and locked down mind and world.

415065 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liberty, #189 of 1646 🔗

You don’t have to know it, less so believe it.
However, I’ve been using the analogy of sheep and goats for months now. It really is time to wake up!

414656 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 2, #190 of 1646 🔗

You won’t find them in the CoE sadly.

414667 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #191 of 1646 🔗

There are a few, I have met them on a Facebook group; but sadly they are very few in number and tiring with their denomination. The church as a whole though has a growing number of dissenting voices (people who don’t focus on the divisions of denominations, but focus on Christ and his Word) and from those dissenters new leaders will arise to lead the true church through this crisis. These are people who look to Christ for their guidance and not to the government legislation.

414817 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, 1, #192 of 1646 🔗

When you say ‘Christ’, I’m assuming you mean the Palestinian teacher, Jesus of Nazareth. Of course we can’t know for sure, but I think there is little chance, were he alive today, that he would have time for any religion and certainly not Christianity with its robes, hierarchy, rituals and other endless bullshit. Humanist is my best guess.

414840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, 14, #193 of 1646 🔗

Bungle, I love your response and your wise observation of Jesus being a man who loathed religion for the sake of it. He would indeed see through much of the fake religion that we see in many churches and faiths. If He were here today, He would show kindness to the everyday man on the street, He would take time to talk to the stranger and smile and He would tell us not to fear either the virus or the government. He would tell us He came to set the captives free(those captive in their homes and those captive to fear). He would tell us that there is more to life than preserving our health. He would remind us that He created us to love, to live in community, to share and not to live in isolation and fear. In reality He is alive today and lives by His Holy Spirit inside all who believe. We who believe in Him are standing up for the poor, the oppressed and bringing hope to those living in fear. It reminds me of a poem I wrote and shared on here. Forgive me for sharing it again, but it seems relevant.

What would Jesus do?

Would Jesus stay in lockdown?
Would Jesus hide away?
Would Jesus visit those alone
If he were here today?

Would Jesus wear a mask,
When he goes to get some bread?
Would he stare with hollow eyes,
Or would he smile instead?

Would Jesus jump away,
When a person walks too near?
Would he walk across the road,
Or would he show no fear?

But it’s easy to be Jesus,
He’s safe, for he’s God’s Son,
He’s protected by his Father,
But he’s not the only one.

Not one of us can die,
Before the Father calls us home,
For we are his precious children,
We’re not left here all alone.

Should we do what Jesus did?
Should we visit those alone?
Or should we stay away from them,
And leave them on their own?

Should we cover up our face,
Because we’re told we must,
Or should we smile and talk about
The God who we can trust?

Should we meet up as a church?
Should we sing his praise?
Should we hide behind a mask?
Join in with this new craze?

How is the church responding?
Are we sharing our real hope?
Are we showing all our nation,
How Christians really cope?

We need to show we’re different,
Our response can’t be the same,
God is telling us quite clearly,
Christianity’s not a game.

It’s time that we got serious,
Understood what God is saying,
Time to listen to this wake up call,
Time that we were praying.

Praying that we take this chance,
To show this fearful nation,
That our hope lies not in vaccines,
But in Jesus, our Salvation.

414982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Liberty, 5, #194 of 1646 🔗

Sorely tempted to laminate this and pin it to the church door next to the sign explaining why it’s closed – except for an hour when available if you wear a face-covering.

415245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jane G, 2, #195 of 1646 🔗

Feel free, just say it is written by Anon 😉 .

415644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, 1, #196 of 1646 🔗

Nice response Liberty.Thanks and do give my regards to your siblings, Equality & Brotherhood.

414905 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Liberty, #197 of 1646 🔗

I meet regularly with like minded Christians from all over the UK using Zoom. The Joe Boot article posted a couple of days ago is a pretty good summary of our position.

https://christianconcern.com/resource/christian-liberty-versus-lockdownism/

There is a also a Christian group on the UK Column Groups site:

https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/groups/biblical-views/

but you need to be a subscriber (I think) to join.

414927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Basileus, 4, #198 of 1646 🔗

Basileus, thank you for sharing those links. I frequently watch U.K. Column and I am more persuaded to subscribe knowing that I will find a community of like-minded believers there.

414989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Liberty, 2, #199 of 1646 🔗

Ditto – always good to have another Christian option to explore. Thank you, Basileus.

415111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, #200 of 1646 🔗

Further to this, a close friend has spent some time preparing this presentation based on the Joe Boot article. He is happy for me to share it here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/phj8s6yzg6ig063/Christian%20liberty%20versus%20%E2%80%98lockdownism%E2%80%99%20-%20Dr.%20Joe%20Boot.pdf?dl=0

414584 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #201 of 1646 🔗

At the first whiff of grapeshot the CRG will surrender

414682 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 3, #202 of 1646 🔗

I think their weakness is that they accept the regime’s bogus assumptions and data.

414739 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bugle, 6, #203 of 1646 🔗

I think their weakness is that they are weak.

415048 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #204 of 1646 🔗

Ha ha!

414832 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bugle, 3, #205 of 1646 🔗

Because they have been subjected to the same propaganda, lies and distortions as the rest of the country. Quite possibly “on steroids”, through briefing papers etc.

414585 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 39, #206 of 1646 🔗

We need to get this lockdown lifted in full as soon as possible, and I am optimistic that, just as on the way in the government with each announcement increased the restrictions more than they said in the previous one, we are starting to see the converse happening on the way out.

Let us remember that the course of this disease was highly predictable and it was only ever likely to impact significantly on the old. As I said in an email to a friend on 19 March 2020:

Call me when you are around. I’ll run you through my numbers. I thought I was going mad but it’s good to see there’s someone else out there who can add up. Did you write this or do you know who did ? Estimate of no of people in uk under 60 who would die if nothing were ever done: 4500 max

The government response has been excessive, revolting and shameful.

414606 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Laurence, 9, #207 of 1646 🔗

I hope you are correct in your optimistic thoughts on easing the lock-down. I was just musing on why politicians are so keen to impose restrictions on meeting family and friends and so reluctant to lift them when things ease and I did just wonder, somewhat uncharitably, whether so many politicians have awful dysfunctional families and odious backstabbing friends that for them it has been a blessing in disguise to avoid having to meet them?

415228 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #208 of 1646 🔗

The events of the past eleven month has created many “ awful dysfunctional families and odious backstabbing friends.” The societal damage caused will last beyond any lifting of lockdowns. And for many generations into the future. Take for example, the miners strike in the mid 80s. A decades-old feud that still divides communities 36 years on.

415257 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Burlington, 3, #209 of 1646 🔗

Very true. There’s certainly been quite a shift-around amongst my friends since this started. I’ve lost some old ones – but, thankfully, I’ve made some new ones. I’d forgotten the after-effects of the miners strike – but you make a very valid point. The same thing happened re collaborators and otherwise after the 2nd World War. I expect the same thing happened here hundreds of years back – 16th century – Catholics and Protestants. Or, a bit later on, Cavaliers and Roundheads. ‘Twas ever thus then. Perish the thought for those living as a local in a part of the country where they pass disputes down the generations in the Will, as well as property.

414618 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Laurence, 12, #210 of 1646 🔗

But the issue now is MANDATORY EXPERIMENTAL GENE THERAPY, not fucking lockdowns, per se.

Jesus fucking christ!

414648 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Laurence, 14, #211 of 1646 🔗

I also think there is a real possibility lockdowns have caused the delay of herd immunity, which in itself caused fewer people to have natural immunity by winter.
I am still following Sweden’s death numbers and it is looking good (as far as you can talk about ‘good’ death numbers…

414586 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 38, #212 of 1646 🔗

Now it is ALL about the vaccines.

This is just a ruse.

WE MUST PROTEST THE MANDATORY GENE THERAPY EXPERIMENTATION!

Do NOT be taken in by this RUSE!

The lockdowns will return whenever they want it. Probably when the issues from the vaccines are put down to some ‘strain’.

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

414588 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, 21, #213 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think it’s ‘mandatory gene therapy experimentation’ – that for me is far too generous an interpretation. I think it’s genocide by lethal injection.

414620 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #214 of 1646 🔗

Targeting Whites. Don’t forget the messaging that BAME don’t want the vaccine….

414692 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 3, #215 of 1646 🔗

That did get me wondering – and I certainly don’t blame them in many ways. I’ve long wondered why I had the feeling Britain was going to go from vastly overpopulated (and still getting worse) to much more sparsely populated and that was way before all of this and hearing of the Great Reset. It didn’t make sense why I had this gut feeling this would be how it is in the fairly near future. I’m now guessing that the proportions of native British and BAME will change rather a lot too and Britain will look even more different to what I thought it would.

414819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to ElizaP, 12, #216 of 1646 🔗

My experience of some elements of the BAME communities is that they are much less amenable to obeying rules and quite happy to circumvent them as they come from cultures in the not too distant past where the state was definitely not your friend.
Any attempts to push the great reset too far might well run into trouble.

415005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Felice, 1, #217 of 1646 🔗

The state is not your friend here either!

415263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Felice, #218 of 1646 🔗

I think you’re probably perfectly accurate in saying that. I think it must be a rather different mindset when one knows that the way Society is is it’s been designed for one’s own benefit basically.

414643 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #219 of 1646 🔗

I agree I dread to think what the fallout will be over the next few years…

414672 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #220 of 1646 🔗

The gig is up on that!! Too many people are too acutely aware. It’ll never happen. Big pharma went “all in” this time and will lose.

414781 ▶▶ Janette, replying to FedupofLies, #221 of 1646 🔗

Yes those are exactly my views too Fedupoflies

414802 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #222 of 1646 🔗

And you were/are right they are coming for the kids.

414598 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 29, #223 of 1646 🔗

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-three-new-and-active-covid-cases-in-south-auckland/HEXC5WD7LWDNGE2XYA64BJGOUY/?ref=readmore

ZeroCovid-19.NZ. Three new community cases.A family of 3,mother works in Air Line Catering company.Daughter attends school Auckland.Mini panic in NZ,Semi lock down 5 days.They assume it could be the UK or South African variant.

This is possibly the only country in the World which can isolate itself and doing its utmost and paying an escalating price.
 How on earth can anyone really believe UK can do the same thing?

414640 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to swedenborg, 11, #224 of 1646 🔗

It can’t we are too densley populated. NZ and Australia may brag about their zero or few cases but the minute they have just one, it’s “here we go again”. Not that it’s any better here of course. But this is how it will be now for them unless they change course which certainly doesn’t seem to be the agenda. So warmer and more sunshine yes, but things going better for them- not really long term.

414697 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Suzyv, 5, #225 of 1646 🔗

That is the thing – they are island nations the same as we are – but they are under-populated and we are vastly overpopulated. They have a much better growing climate for food than we do basically (assuming they can manage to sort it out re water). I look enviously at the amount of food they can manage to grow in some of their gardens – and then compare to our much shorter growing season here.

414810 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to ElizaP, 2, #226 of 1646 🔗

As an island we are far from overpopulated, more a question of who owns the majority of land and the restrictions as to what we can do upon it.

415269 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to primesinister, #227 of 1646 🔗

We are and, some time before all this started, I’ve read a variety of figures about what our optimum population is. It varies between 17 million and 30 million – depending on how self-sufficient (or otherwise) we wish to be on our island. I’ll go for the 17 million end of that spectrum as probably realistic assessment – allowing for growing all our own food, those of us that expect to forage for food when we decide to (without finding much of it has already been taken by others), enough countryside for recreation purposes, room for everyone to have a detached house with decent-size garden if that’s what they have decided on, etc, etc.

414652 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #228 of 1646 🔗

It was interesting hearing NZ side as they are obviously now in a pickle as they have locked themselves in…

414693 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to swedenborg, 4, #229 of 1646 🔗

One thing that strikes me is that the family’s every move is being publicly dissected. They’ve essentially gone “viral” with the press and politicians discussing what they have been up to. And they are now been imprisoned at a Jet Park hotel. It seems to me in a “zero covid” country you would do everything possible to avoid being tested or tracked in case you get caught up in this. Later in the article it complains about people not scanning in shops with a track and trace app. Hardly surprising.

414695 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to swedenborg, 10, #230 of 1646 🔗

And if they used PCR tests with 45ct instead of 24, they’d have had and continue to have the same numbers as the UK&co anyway.
And vice versa.
Zero Covid and OZ/NZ are a PCR testing scam based hoax and a medical impossibility.

414600 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 41, #231 of 1646 🔗

Boris is under a fake rainbow on the front of the Telegraph. He has been claiming that vaccines are our ‘salvation’ and that the scientific breakthroughs are ‘miracles’. I do wish he would stop with this false religion he is creating. Jesus performed miracles, is our salvation and the rainbow is God’s sign not the NHS’s. Can he please step away as high priest of this false gospel. He is not the bearer of ‘good news’, he is a liar and appears to work for the father of lies, the devil himself.

414619 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Liberty, 16, #232 of 1646 🔗

Spot on. And Today I go and bend a knee to Christ. I don’t bend knees to anti-white racists like BLM, the multi-culti, or SAGE short for Stupid, nor for vaxxes which have killed thousands now across the UK, US and 4th Reich. Fake News studiously ignores the vaxx injury table.

414622 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to FerdIII, 13, #233 of 1646 🔗

May God bless you. I am always grateful to know of other believers who are holding onto the truth in a time of such strong deception.

414657 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Liberty, 5, #234 of 1646 🔗

Here here

414670 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to davews, 3, #236 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for sharing that article, it was a great summary of who the church needs to be.

414922 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to davews, 1, #237 of 1646 🔗

Excellent. Thank you for sharing this.

415113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #238 of 1646 🔗
415397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Basileus, #239 of 1646 🔗

Thank you for sharing this. It looks like like a thorough analysis of the situation. I will take time to properly digest it.

414603 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #240 of 1646 🔗

Whatever happened to Chatty Rat

Did Chatty Rat ever exist?

414745 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #241 of 1646 🔗

I heard Larry caught him one night. Larry doesn’t like rodents. Especially the squealers.

414608 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 29, #242 of 1646 🔗

One of the cataclysmic faults of WHO and just about every other medical professional body, staffed, as they appear to be, with politicians, not medics, seems to be a collective failure of memory.

We were told by a noted coronavirus expert present in China at the time of the SARS CoV 2 outbreak that covid 19 was most like a severe cold and does not like sunlight or humidity.

‘There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’

‘Sunlight will cut the virus ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it’s about 13m to 20m. Sunlight is really good at killing viruses…….And High humidity the virus doesn’t like it either. ‘

Prof John Nicholls, Univ. of Hong Kong 06 Feb 2020

We know the common cold is more dangerous to the elderly and infirm than influenza.
(Previously referenced)

We know endemic coronaviruses can be dangerous to healthy adults, particularly athletes, sportsmen, in hard training.
(Previously referenced)

We know anti inflammatory treatments treatments reduce incidence of Cytokine storms.
(Previously referenced)

And we know biological agents, viruses, dispersed, degrade quickly in sunlight, have known for years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925713/

So my question is a simple one: what the beggaring hell has been going on over the last twelve months?

414615 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #243 of 1646 🔗

Preparation for vaxx passport and total control.

414624 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheClone, 7, #244 of 1646 🔗

The mandatory vaxx ID must be resisted at all costs. It contravenes all matter of legal-moral imperatives. There is a petition you can sign here to have this debated in the shyte hole and shyte show called Parliament, where at the top of the page you will see that all petitions are now suspended.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

414614 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 38, #245 of 1646 🔗

Corrupt judiciary
Corrupt parliament
Corrupt police
Corrupt scientists
Corrupt politicians
Corrupt media

What is surprising is that a dictatorship didn’t occur earlier

414637 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 16, #246 of 1646 🔗

They needed the demoralisation and dumbing down of the population to be achieved first.

414831 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #247 of 1646 🔗

They acheived that aim long ago look how long people have been electing them and voting for their own enslavement.

414623 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 15, #248 of 1646 🔗

‘Free my people now’.

I wonder if MPs in general have brains. There needs to be a massive audit of all data, models and plans based on both.

The NHS-ONS data flows are utterly broken and would fail a corporate audit. No one should believe anything coming out of either institution.

There is still no scientific explanation for this claim:

‘Flu has disappeared due to diapering and distancing….but CV deaths have accelerated this winter due to…..um…well…asympto-something-variant-something..you know the thing.’

I guess shutting down Parliament and not electing people with 100 IQs has its consequences.

414628 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to FerdIII, 9, #249 of 1646 🔗

It’s not a matter of intelligence, it’s a matter of integrity.

414630 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bugle, 7, #250 of 1646 🔗

We need both. We have neither.

414632 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 13, #251 of 1646 🔗

Totally agree, integrity but also gullibility. I’ve talked to a lot of really smart people who simply refuse to believe the evidence in front of them. And mental fortitude – people don’t want to face the horrible truth so choose to stick their heads in the sand. I’ve talked to people who have basically admitted they are doing exactly that.

414642 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 7, #252 of 1646 🔗

The madness of crowds. Sheeple really are blind and obedient. It creates an unvirtuous circle. Propaganda-fear mongering-mass civil loathing-fake data-fake polls-more hysteria-more restrictions and totalitarianism.

CV 19 data fraud is as epic and obvious as Biden stealing 35 mn votes to beat the Drumpf. ‘Scientific’ claims about how CV spreads (vs the flu) go unchallenged as well.

MPs are a disgrace. They will gladly send their citizen-knaves to the cattle cars based on their stupidity and immorality.

414688 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 7, #253 of 1646 🔗

It’s well known that it is far more difficult for intelligent/highly educated people to admit a mistake or change their mind.
Most are too full of themselves, reinforced by that education, success etc..
And that is before the filter bubble and social (media) dynamics.

414646 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bugle, 17, #254 of 1646 🔗

Agree. Some of the most vociferous lockdownistas I know are well educated in the conventional sense but seem to lack common sense, empathy and ethics.

414814 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bugle, 6, #255 of 1646 🔗

It’s both of course. The front benches are mostly of at least average intelligence, but astounding levels of psychopathy. On the other hand, take a good look at the state of the commons (especially the labour benches) and tell me that there is a majority with triple-digit IQs. There are also a handful of utter blithering idiots, such as Jonathan Ashworth, who have been strategically placed by other psychopaths.

415041 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #256 of 1646 🔗

You’re right of course, but I still think the major problem is a lack of moral principle.

414650 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to FerdIII, 4, #257 of 1646 🔗

The only explanation for me that stacks up in the disappearance of flu (and there is good circumstantial evidence that rhinovirus infections are down too) is viral interference.

If it was masks and shit, why has flu gone in Sweden too? And why does Japan ever have bad flu years, like 2018, given the mask-love?

And if it was misclassification as COVID, why have sales of cough and cold products plummeted? People are not getting the bunged up rhinovirus type infections either.

414715 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to sophie123, 1, #258 of 1646 🔗

I suffer with hayfever April to August but last year it was hardly noticeable and I cannot explain it.
!

415674 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #259 of 1646 🔗

cleaner air lack of car and aircraft pollution

414844 ▶▶ stevie, replying to FerdIII, 1, #260 of 1646 🔗

The party system tells the MPs how to vote.

414626 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 34, #261 of 1646 🔗

‘A carrot and stick approach.’ Do viruses respond to sticks and carrots? No, this is just another move by the abusers designed to head off resistance in Spring, while spinning restrictions on till Autumn and the next ‘full lockdown.’

We need to fight the bastards hard, from now but building into March, not dissolve into simpering gratitude to Boris the Great Liberator.

414629 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ovis, 25, #262 of 1646 🔗

Definitely Doris’ end game. Vaxx’s saved the day he will scream! I and others saved the NHS and trillions of lives via LDs the idiots will claim. Neil shag my married lover Fergutard will pump out more fraudulent models to support the claim.

What a clown show.

414653 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Ovis, 7, #263 of 1646 🔗

I had the exact same thought on reading that. Carrots and sticks indeed! Morons.

414627 Julian, replying to Julian, 92, #264 of 1646 🔗

I’m almost certainly stating the obvious here but most people who post here are strictly speaking “anti lockdown” rather than sceptical – barring new evidence we’ve concluded lockdowns don’t work or even if they do we think they are wrong on principle.

Having refined the definition of “LS”, let’s think about what we mean by “lockdown”. The term was originally applied to the March 2020 order to stay at home, and in mainstream usage has only since been applied to the most restrictive phases of covid measures applied nationally in Nov 2020 and since the New Year 2021. But I think I speak for most on here when I say that “lockdown” is really ANY kind of covid related restriction – masks, SD, track and trace, limits on movement or numbers, restrictions on crowds, wet pubs, nightclubs, forced testing, travel bans, forced self isolation, limits on meeting people etc etc.

I worry that once schools, shops and hospitality and sport and leisure are nominally “open”, the headlines will die away and the less purist anti-lockdown campaigners will fall away and it will be considered “job done” and back to normal. We should remember that even when pubs were “open” in the summer, they were not open properly, the same goes for schools, universities, restaurants, shops, everything else you can think of listed in Para 2 above.

So we’re not lockdown sceptics, we are anti-restriction – we oppose any legally mandated restriction or forced closure by national or local government that is related to covid, and any form of discrimination related to covid, including restrictions related to testing as well as vaccination. I think we need to start pushing this hard now with anyone we know who is vaguely “sceptical” and with anti-lockdown MPs and organisations we are in contact with.

A lot of anti-lockdown campaigning has rightly focused on the economic damage but that is far from the whole story. Even if it had been neutral economically, the loss of human freedom and enjoyment of life for a whole country for a whole year is close to priceless

414683 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 21, #265 of 1646 🔗

I agree, but let’s never forget or forgive that the main damage of Western lockdowns and restrictions was, is and will remain the medical one due to the economic one: tens of millions of deaths in the 3rd world solely due to OUR lockdowns.

414712 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JayBee, -4, #266 of 1646 🔗

What kind of bleeding heart clap trap is this?

I care about what’s been done to my country and my people first and foremost.

414746 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 13, #267 of 1646 🔗

Being a selfish so-and-so I tend to worry much less about what’s happening elsewhere, but JayBee’s point certainly blows out of the water any pretence lockdown zealots have to claim the moral high ground

415009 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Julian, -2, #268 of 1646 🔗

It does no such thing, dear boy.

You can’t take care of the rest of the world until your own needs are catered for.

414842 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to AidanR, 6, #269 of 1646 🔗

Bleeding heart claptrap? My people? My country? Countries are a recent human invention, meaning nothing. We are all brothers and sisters and part of one family. When we’re together we’re strong and those that force us apart, like you Aidan, are our enemies. Come and see me and I’ll show you what a bleeding heart is!

415011 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bungle, -3, #270 of 1646 🔗

Is that a threat, big boy?

415028 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #271 of 1646 🔗

Countries are a recent human invention

The words of a lefty exposed. Get acquainted with fact, humans have always been territorial, its part of the law of nature, competition is why life on earth exists, natural process is unavoidable.

Neo-liberal elite puppet masters have the same plans for you socialists as free thinking MAN, when their goals are achieved.

415780 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, #272 of 1646 🔗

Let’s make it “… goals they tried but failed to achieve”.

414837 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Julian, #273 of 1646 🔗

Daily Mail today Lockdown Day 328.

414920 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to Julian, 11, #274 of 1646 🔗

Agree completely. I am anti restriction of any kind and will accept nothing other than life as it was prior to March 2020!

414633 TJN, replying to TJN, 50, #275 of 1646 🔗

A few days ago swedenborg (many thanks if you’re reading) cited a fascinating paper in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health titled ‘COVID-19 and the Political Economy of Mass Hysteria’.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1376/htm

Two of the three authors are based at universities in Spain, and the third at a university in Chile. For anyone interested in the concept of the last year’s shitshow being an example of mass hysteria, and especially as government-induced mass hysteria, this paper is essential reading.

It draws a distinction between a ‘Minimal State’ (one which offers only essential services – e.g. law and order) and a ‘Welfare State’ (one which provides a great many services to its population). In my interpretation, and by implication in the paper, Western societies today invariably come under the ‘Welfare State’ category.

An important concept  early on in the paper:

While there are important limits on the potential growth of a mass hysteria in a limited minimal state, the welfare state of the 21st century combined with a sensationalist mass media is likely to increase the havoc created by mass hysteria.

Of particular interest is section 4, ‘ Discussion of Amplifiers and Attenuators of Mass Hysteria: Minimal State vs. Welfare State’. Try this for size:

… while anyone in a hysteria related to public health may voluntarily close their own business, wear a mask, or stay at home, in a minimal state, no one can use coercion to force others who are healthy and do not succumb to the hysteria to close their businesses, wear masks, or quarantine. A minority can just ignore the collective panic and continue to live their normal lives, because they are free to do so. Such a minority can be an example and a wake-up call to those that do succumb to the collective hysteria or are close to doing so. This minority may be especially attractive to borderline cases. Suppose that a small group of people during a collective health hysteria continues to go shopping, to work, to socialize, and breathe freely and does not fall ill (massively and fatally). Having this example, the anxiety of observers may fall. Observers may follow the example, and the group of hysterics shrinks. It is one of the core characteristics of decentralized systems that they allow for competition, error detection, and correction [my emphasis]. If the people that ultimately become role models for others through their interaction become ill and die, the panic would be confirmed. However, if there is really a hysteria and the threat is imagined or exaggerated, the fortune of the role models will be on average much better than is expected by those that succumbed to the hysteria. A sufficient number and variety of role models allows observers to correct and adjust their expectations.

And this:

… the state has the power to diminish and prohibit those activities that do reduce fear and anxiety, such as sports, diversion, and socializing. During the COVID-19 crisis, states used their coercive power to impose social isolation, thereby contributing to anxiety and psychological strain, both ingredients that spur mass hysteria. In order to shield against biopsychological infections, the population should exercise regularly, have quality sleep, exercise regularly, have a balanced nutrition, and maintain a strong connection with other people. Governments around the world mandated lockdowns and masks during the COVID-19 crisis, making it more difficult for citizens to do any of these things [my emphasis]. More specifically, social distancing imposed by governments reduces strong social connections, and mandatory masks prevent expressing friendliness and compassion, thereby decreasing psychological resilience.

The paper is replete with similar passages and concepts – one of the most important and, I envisage, seminal studies to have emerged out of this tragedy.

But it also appears, deliberately, to allude to far more than an analysis of mass hysteria. It indirectly raises profound questions about the nature of the governance that has evolved over the last few decades in Western Societies.

I mention the apparent nationalities of the authors. Curiously – and I’m inclined to think this may be more than coincidence – they come from countries which in living memory have endured repressive dictatorships. Notably, some of the most draconian covid measures have been in the English-speaking countries.

In a problem that goes far beyond covid responses – and in a reversal of assumed historical norms – the English-speaking peoples appear, in large part, to be sleep-walking; and I can’t see that it will come to any good, for any of us.

Time to wake up.

414636 ▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to TJN, 12, #276 of 1646 🔗

21st century state-sponsored terrorism then…

414665 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 10, #277 of 1646 🔗

Yep. Resist. Disobey.

414836 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to TJN, 1, #278 of 1646 🔗

Yep

414708 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 6, #279 of 1646 🔗

It stands to reason why the war time generation were better at coping with most things than those post war. The difference is the welfare state and the mollycoddyling of the people have led to the bedwetters of today, present company excepted of course.

415631 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bella Donna, #280 of 1646 🔗

It was a more callous society, though. For example, the dead body used in the Operation Mincemeat deception was probably a Welsh drifter, Glyndwr Michael, who came from a mining family. He died after accidentally ingesting rat poison while homeless in London. Ewen Montagu, who used Michael’s body in the operation, made a cynical comment to the effect that Michael was worthless but this was the best use that could be made of him. There is some doubt now whether it was actually Michael’s body that was actually used, but Montagu’s attitudes were not too different from those of Nazi doctors who used concentration camp inmates for experiments.

414848 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 3, #281 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for the summary and interesting bits.

414883 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, 12, #282 of 1646 🔗

Interesting read cheers.

A minority can just ignore the collective panic and continue to live their normal lives, because they are free to do so. Such a minority can be an example and a wake-up call to those that do succumb to the collective hysteria or are close to doing so.

This is why the Medical Dictatorship have been at great pains to enforce muzzles and antisocial distancing on everyone and harness public opprobrium to deter this minority as much as possible.

414894 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #283 of 1646 🔗

That’s the sinister bit. And why they must pay, and be seen to pay, for what they have done. And that includes the faceless civil servants who’ve gone along with this.

414634 BJs Brain is Missing, 5, #284 of 1646 🔗

Welcome to the Upside Down… This is truly clever and observant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C3Dk-0ayak&ab_channel=WhatsHerFace

414635 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #285 of 1646 🔗

One thousand people have donated £17,900+ to Kate and Luc

Kind people donating to brave people

Come on you fat fuck do your worst (And we will do our worst when we get hold of you)

414763 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cecil B, 3, #286 of 1646 🔗

Count me in for a punch.

414638 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #287 of 1646 🔗

At the rate we’re going, we need a Moses to bring the message “Let My People Go!” to Pharaoh Johnson, Grand Vizier Wancock and the High Priests of Sage.

We’re already having our 10 Plagues in the guise of the following: unemployment, bankruptcy, mental health issues, deaths from untreated illnesses, suicide, substance abuse, domestic violence, child abuse, businesses going bust, the worst economic depression since 1709.

What next, the death of the First born?

Cecil B de Mille’s introduction to his film The Ten Commandments remains as timely today as it was in 1956:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHAvbTpqbw

414644 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #288 of 1646 🔗

The problem is the bastard is temporising enough to keep the believers hopeful and even grateful.

Pharaoh hadn’t mastered the subtle abuser’s art of kicks and kindness.

414663 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ovis, 6, #289 of 1646 🔗

Agree. Sadly the “slaves” have internalised their oppression and even revel in it.

The mind boggles.

414701 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #290 of 1646 🔗

“What next, the death of the First born?”

Unfortunately, that may be prescient. Vax for kids.

414737 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bugle, 3, #291 of 1646 🔗

Indeed. Looks like that’s the way its going sadly.

416034 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, #292 of 1646 🔗

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

414641 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 61, #293 of 1646 🔗

Supermarkets have been open throughout lockdown. Lockdown skeptics have pointed out that if a dangerous and contagious disease was rampant why have supermarket staff not been dropping like flies. Checkout operators in particular are in regular contact with customers. Does anyone remember when screens were introduced at checkouts. If a deadly disease was doing the rounds, why were checkout operators not falling ill if there was some time before the introduction of screens.

414647 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ianric, 29, #294 of 1646 🔗

Yes imagine the stupidity of society to herd the herd through one locale…you would think dispersing contact would be better….but no, herd the sheep through sainsbury…nothing has happened to those workers, nor anyone going to SB, they do make a good test case and control group. MPs, Fake News not interested.

Same for the footie fairies and their staffs. Why aren’t the tight short wearing geniuses contracting CV and dying? Or Amazon delivery personnel? Or NHS staff and police? Answer is always ‘diapers’….but then why do 80+ yr olds die in the NHS and Old Age homes from CV? Maybe it is because they are inside and this is where the flu spreads. Maybe there is no science to any of this bullshit whatsoever.

414662 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ianric, 16, #295 of 1646 🔗

Because its all lies?

414700 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ianric, 4, #296 of 1646 🔗

Ssshhhh. They think they’ve got away with it and we haven’t noticed!

414932 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ianric, 8, #297 of 1646 🔗

indeed! last year before the masks, screens etc I regularly asked the supermarket staff if any of them had the virus and it was always ‘no’. You would have thought that they’d be dropping like flies with the number or people in the building and proximity.
That, and the sniff of bullshit from the government, got me thinking this is a load of shite and a coverup.

415641 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ianric, #298 of 1646 🔗

Good point, but if they made it near-impossible to buy food the relative tolerance for the BS shown by most people would instantly disappear.

414649 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 23, #299 of 1646 🔗

So the fat one won’t rest until we are all vaccinated? 🤔 Thats never then!

414659 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #300 of 1646 🔗

Yes Bella, and it will be your fault when our Lord and Saviour Johnson, with a heavy heart, is forced to put the country into ‘full lockdown’ in the Autumn.

414698 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ovis, 6, #301 of 1646 🔗

I apologise in advance then! 🤣 🤣 🤣

415017 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ovis, 1, #302 of 1646 🔗

He hasn’t undertaken to bring us out of lockdown for the summer yet.

414661 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 24, #303 of 1646 🔗

Looks like Blair’s influence, Johnson is the current useful idiot. Blair wants everyone to be vaccinated and have a passport, all over the world people are wanting this HE SAYS. But its really just him and his mega rich mates.

414699 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 13, #304 of 1646 🔗

His stench still influences this government.

414709 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #305 of 1646 🔗

All Blairites its a stain we can’t seem to remove

414796 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 4, #306 of 1646 🔗

I understand a skunk has a similar stench to Bliar, either way both are to be kept at a distance, more than the allotted 2 metres too! 😂

414727 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 10, #307 of 1646 🔗

Blair is just someone else’s useful idiot.He was always a frontman for something more revolutionary.

414757 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #308 of 1646 🔗

A vacuous brainless cretin if ever there was one. Campbell and Mandleson and Brown all knew that but he was a useful front man.

414807 ▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to DanClarke, 7, #309 of 1646 🔗

I think this could work in our favour. Most people can’t stand war criminal Blair so now he’s touting his dodgy passport around most comments are things like”let him crawl back under his rock”

415835 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jennybean, #310 of 1646 🔗

He should never mentioned without prefixing his name with “war criminal”.

414841 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to DanClarke, 2, #311 of 1646 🔗

I want blair to fu off

415024 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to primesinister, 3, #312 of 1646 🔗

I think the more Tony Blair is on show the better.

414658 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #313 of 1646 🔗

If you have an hour to spare today watch this

I first watched it at the age of 16

The fact that my parents had fought this tyranny filled me with a warm glow

It also made me vigilant, but old men forget

Now we have spawned a dictatorship

Who does Eva Braun remind you of?

https://youtu.be/0b4g4ZZNC1E

414874 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #314 of 1646 🔗

I got stuck on the 25th minute for a while but eventually got to Eva Braun. As I never watch the news I don’t know how Nut Nuts presents herself but if she starts wearing shepherdess dresses I will be worried. She seems more of an eminence verte and more influential than E.B. was.

414668 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #315 of 1646 🔗
414673 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #316 of 1646 🔗

Wonder how many caught it going to the toilet. 100% of people who caught covid had been to the toilet at some point.

414678 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 11, #317 of 1646 🔗

And don’t forget breathing!

414751 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to DanClarke, 5, #318 of 1646 🔗

Especially those who are full of shit.

414902 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, 2, #319 of 1646 🔗

yes, or wearing socks. I’ll bet 100% of covid deaths wore socks within days or weeks of their death. Therefore the science says that wearing socks gives you covid.

414694 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #320 of 1646 🔗

🤣

414707 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #321 of 1646 🔗

The other 47% are out in the fresh air getting some vitamin D, hunting Mammoth & picking berries.

414773 ▶▶ jos, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #322 of 1646 🔗

And will lead to all food shops being closed and delivery of starvation rations to the vaccinated – I’m sure that was in the plan .. ‘own nothing, be happy’ – you know the mantra. (‘Eat nothing, be dead’ for the unvaccinated)

414675 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #323 of 1646 🔗

Lockdown scepticism: The opinion that dare not speak it’s name.

414711 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #324 of 1646 🔗

‘Vaccine’ scepticism: The opinion that definitely dare not speak its name.

414747 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bugle, 4, #325 of 1646 🔗

Yes thats really unacceptable even with some so called sceptics like Richard Littlejohn. Mind you he went along with the first lockdown so there are clear limits to his ‘scepticism’.

414899 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #326 of 1646 🔗

I went along with the first lockdown – for about 4-6 weeks: before I began to realise that the world was not at all as I had believed it to be, and people were not at all what I had believed them to be. I feel as if I am scarcely the same person I was a year ago.

415033 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #327 of 1646 🔗

I am glad you eventually saw the light. The problem of supporting any lockdown is that it accepts a precedent…it puts lockdown on the statute book and it then becomes the default response of governments to any problems. Its like the genie getting out of the bottle. I seriously fear that ‘climate lockdowns’ will be the next ones…many green fanatics are already openly talking about this.

I argued this back in march but was ridiculed by people who said it would be over in a few weeks. Its is those people who look ridiculous now. Most people will abuse power if it is given to them…..we now see this all around us.

415500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Boris Bullshit, #328 of 1646 🔗

For the covid lockdowns they pick and choose whichever figure seems to support their case – R number, “cases”, hospital admissions, ICU admissions, deaths etc. For climate lockdowns there’s even more scope. Glacier melting in the Andes? – we must lockdown in the UK to save the world!

414681 danny, replying to danny, 20, #329 of 1646 🔗

Can anyone else verify the NHS data published here yesterday that seems to put Covid deaths without co-morbidities at around 3000 total.
Meaning almost all Covid deaths weren’t Covid.
This should surely be front page news?

414792 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to danny, #330 of 1646 🔗

Danny,
I created the attached (hope it works) from an NHS database but foolishly forgot to note the link. It’s only deaths in hospital but certainly all under-79’s will surely have been hospitalised if they had died.
How many of the 2,931 were ‘deaths with’ not ‘deaths of’ is, of course, unknown.

414798 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, #331 of 1646 🔗

Sorry – wrong photo – I will try to correct

414809 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #332 of 1646 🔗

2nd go!

414684 Cecil B, 14, #333 of 1646 🔗

‘Boris is a stage name invented for cretins’

Brilliant, thank you Peter

414689 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 42, #334 of 1646 🔗

Good Sunday morning!

Quick story (before sharing our latest podcast!)

Having had a load of mates over for a massive session a few days back (and running out of BBQ food – fuck you winter!) I had to pop to the trendy butchers on the outskirts of our local city.

I’ve not worn a mask throughout this whole sorry debacle.

And yet I get apprehensive everytime because people genuinely hate you for not doing it, so complete is the government brainwashing.

Anyway I stroll in to the butchers (I’ve not been here all year and used to go every week for some treats) employing my usual technique – overly happy, smiling, strident “good Morning!” to everyone.

Got to the counter. The butcher leans forward up to his perspex protective screen.

I think “Here we go…”

He whispered…

“Nice to see a smile”

Gave me a wink and proceeded to process my order of lamb cutlets, chicken, sausages and ribeye steaks.

Left with a spring in my step!

Anyway, check out our latest podcast (and leave a review on iTunes) with clinical psychologist Nicola Ridgeway. We recorded the next pod yesterday. Should be out on Tuesday evening.

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7768657-ep-19-the-only-thing-to-fear-is-fear-itself-dr-nicola-ridgeway-interview

414691 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 26, #335 of 1646 🔗

The mask wearers hate those who do not wear a mask BECAUSE they themselves haven’t the guts to take theirs off!

414696 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #336 of 1646 🔗

It does take a lot of guts though, so complete and obvious is the hatred!

414744 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #337 of 1646 🔗

I must enjoy being hated lol.

414775 ▶▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #338 of 1646 🔗

Ha!

414834 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #339 of 1646 🔗

That’s not it at all. For mask wearers, masks are a symbol of virtue and sacrifice. They are following the holy narrative. This is something most people on here don’t seem to understand.

414859 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to richardw53, 3, #340 of 1646 🔗

I think a fair few are just scared who knows the minds of men but themselves.

415025 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #341 of 1646 🔗

I love you for saying this !

414740 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #342 of 1646 🔗

Great to hear and try not to feel apprehensive. I find no shop owner/employee ever hassles me its always some pushy customer and I take great pleasure in despatching them.

414777 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #343 of 1646 🔗

I know what you mean. I just get all jumbled up when it does happen! My words don’t come out right!

414868 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 16, #344 of 1646 🔗

A silly person in a supermarket said in a loud voice in reference to me not wearing a mask “look at that clown” I told her and her boyfriend to get fucked, works everytime.

414768 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 16, #345 of 1646 🔗

Well done to your butcher. May his tribe increase!

We need to support those businesses that treat their customers as normal human beings and not as lepers.

414776 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #346 of 1646 🔗

Agree. We were considering offering our shop as a ‘support’ hub but that seems to be happening organically! We have been re-named Cafe Rene and the Leper Cafe (!?)…

414813 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 6, #347 of 1646 🔗

How about Cafe Courage as opposed to Cafe Coward.

414839 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 4, #348 of 1646 🔗

Cafe Normal

414872 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #349 of 1646 🔗

I buy my dog food from my butcher every week he doesnt wear or require a muzzle to do business with him.

414855 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #350 of 1646 🔗

listened yesterday very interesting

414943 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #351 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant – amazing what a smile can do 🙂

414690 danny, replying to danny, 41, #352 of 1646 🔗

AL fresco dining and meeting for a picnic by April?
How magnanimous.
So in April you tend to get a combination of torrential rain, extreme winds, and then roasting hot days.
So pleased to be able to buy an expensive coffee, walk past roped off sofas and chairs by the till, and then take it out to sit in the car park.
What about cinemas? Theatres? Or, oh what’s it called, oh yes, seeing family in your own damn house without being deemed a criminal?

414703 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to danny, 5, #353 of 1646 🔗

The fatty Karens who work in coffee shops will be so pleased tat gettng back to barking orders at people and enumerating all the things we still can’t do, in a voice like nails down a blackboard.

415170 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to AidanR, 4, #354 of 1646 🔗

TBF most of our local coffee shop/pub staff are lovely. One pub-now-deli give room to a very dignified maskless old chap who seems to spend most of his time in the shop chatting to the young baristas. He’s in there every time I go on random occasions.

414725 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to danny, 22, #355 of 1646 🔗

As soon as I read “what they will allow” my blood gets up.

414736 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #356 of 1646 🔗

Just how I feel….yet most people dont seem to mind being treated as 6 year olds. They are like wild animals wanting to live in a zoo.

414947 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #357 of 1646 🔗

me too – it’s infantile and patronising to say the least!

414702 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 36, #358 of 1646 🔗

Latest idiocy:

Just heard that yesterday, after the rozzers were doing their rounds of the park, moving on the renegade bench-users and frightening kids in my shop, they then got rid of the guy who plays the saxophone on the walkway up to Waitrose. This, on the basis that “harmful particles would be blown into the air and hence he was a danger” FFS!

414710 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 9, #359 of 1646 🔗

Good job he wasn’t playing a tuba, the Gestapo probably would have shot him on the spot.

414718 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #360 of 1646 🔗

Yes you need a lot of puff to get a sound out of those! Maybe a suzaphone would be a good one to play.

414723 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #361 of 1646 🔗

Even better.

414714 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 25, #362 of 1646 🔗

I hand them slips of paper with the below written on it

YOU ARE COMMITING CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

I don’t stop and talk to them it all occurs very quickly as I pass by.

By the time they read it I am 15yards away. They shout the usual ‘Oi! you’ but I ignore them and keep going

It drives them bonkers

414724 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 5, #363 of 1646 🔗

That’s great work!

414801 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 5, #364 of 1646 🔗

“CONGRATULATIONS! YOU MADE THE LIST!”.

414721 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 8, #365 of 1646 🔗

What else can we say…the police are just scum. Never would I co operate with those bastards again.

414732 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 18, #366 of 1646 🔗

I think when they walked past my shop they were expecting me to be watching them out of the window. Instead, I just turned my back on them: they probably didn’t, but I hope they understood the message. They no longer police by consent.

I hope at some time an alternative society develops because I have had enough of this one. Three times yesterday I had young people ostentatiously avoid me. And again, I told them in no-uncertain terms that they were perfectly safe.

414787 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 20, #367 of 1646 🔗

A masked woman in her 40s in December shrank against the wall and clung to it to get past me and I was outside! I tried in vain to inform her I was perfectly healthy but that just made her worse. Her reaction could not have been worse had I been a terminator in bare metal glory. I have never seen such terror in someone’s eyes.

So I no longer bother with them I just walk straight on and if they want to leap away and end up under a lorry thats their decision.

414797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #368 of 1646 🔗

I surprised she is even leaving the house. Tell your children to train as counsellors, psychologists and psychiatrists if they want a job for life.

414812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #369 of 1646 🔗

And decrease the surplus population.

415746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Boris Bullshit, #370 of 1646 🔗

I am actually surprised by the number on the streets who don’t mask up, despite fear propaganda on every corner. Mind you the most panic-stricken ones probably hardly go out.

414735 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Boris Bullshit, 14, #371 of 1646 🔗

Amanda Holden in trouble for visiting sick parents in cornwall. Apparently visit reported by a neighbour of parents who happens to be a policewoman.

414741 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #372 of 1646 🔗

Back in the 60’s I saw em beating up an innocent young woman and her boyfriend before throwing em into a Black Maria during a anti Vietnam war demonstration.

414780 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #373 of 1646 🔗

Despicable.

414749 ▶▶ danny, replying to kh1485, 5, #374 of 1646 🔗

Soft jazz is a killer.

416022 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to danny, #375 of 1646 🔗

Nice! (I’ll get my coat)

415165 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 1, #376 of 1646 🔗

Maybe this is the answer to the musical instrument conundrum! Masks with a hole where the mouth is! FFS. Either Dr Sarah Dunbar is beyond just plain thick or she is taking the piss out of the general public. Perhaps the police would be convinced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxgQc9smmgU

415406 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #377 of 1646 🔗

He should put a face nappy over the bell and carry on!

415506 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, #379 of 1646 🔗

Or a bowler hat as used by trad jazz trumpeters and trombonists.

416027 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Edward, #380 of 1646 🔗

A mute in glorious Milton? (Frank Muir joke)

414706 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 20, #381 of 1646 🔗

Labour’s Jonathan Ashworth on the Andrew Marr show and virtually every sentence contained the words: Increased use and “stronger” masks, etc.
ABSOLUTELY PATHETIC!
Opposition party: God help us!!

414716 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #382 of 1646 🔗

Has he been chatting on the phone to his Tory ‘friend’ again?

414719 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #383 of 1646 🔗

Probably.

414728 ▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #384 of 1646 🔗

Yes, they always want it ‘stronger’, ‘harder’, ‘faster’… I think it is symbolic of something missing in their lives, personally… I can’t quite put my finger on it at the moment though…

415418 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #385 of 1646 🔗

Intelligence?

414713 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 56, #386 of 1646 🔗

Divisions in both camps

I get the impression that both pro lockdown and anti lockdown movements are morphing into 2 divided camps.

The pro lockdown people seem to be splitting into those that want lockdown until a certain proportion of people have been vaccinated and the real true believers who want zero covid and are prepared to have lockdowns forever to achieve it.

The anti lockdown people seem to be dividing into those who oppose lockdowns in most circumstances (this group includes many who supported the first lockdown as ‘we did not know much about the virus’) and see it as being about government mistakes and fully support the vaccine rollout.

The other group (of which I am a member) oppose lockdowns on principle in any circumstances and did so from minute one on the 23rd March. They see it as being about much more than a virus and view it as a crystallisation of various forces that have wanted to completely change the nature of the world we live in and have jumped at the chance to bring in a ‘new normal’. This group are completely opposed to vaccine rollouts too for the following reasons.

  1. It has been developed very rapidly and cannot possibly have been tested for long term adverse reactions. This is especially the case for children who will have it in their bodies for 10 decades or more.
  2. It is not like other vaccines but is a form of gene therapy the consequences of which cannot possibly be known at this stage.
  3. Most seriously of all it gives support to a narrative that sees it as ok to lockdown for a while (even a year or more) as the vaccine cavalry will come along to release us. Well I’m sorry I don’t need BIG Parma to come and release me as I never wanted lockdown in the first place.

Those sceptics who are enthusiastic supporters of the vaccine like Farage and Tice are effectively setting us up for a life of non stop arm jabbing and intermittent lockdowns in between. They are also helping to push us into vaccine passports for everyday life however much they say they oppose that. The more people accept the vaccine the more likely passports are.

414750 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Boris Bullshit, 27, #387 of 1646 🔗

Perceptive points. And why I want this shitshow to dissolve through civil disobedience, rather than governments releasing restrictions when they think fit.

This evil has to be seen to be defeated, and the perpetrators hung out to dry as a warning to any in future tempted to follow their example.

414770 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TJN, 12, #388 of 1646 🔗

completely agree. unless the tyrants are slapped down and put back in their place, then we will only ever achieve a temporary reprieve at best

414774 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to TJN, 10, #389 of 1646 🔗

Yes better being released from bottom up rather than top down.

414838 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #390 of 1646 🔗

If the second group of lockdown sceptics arguments had been followed, then the vaccines would not be the issue that they are because they would not have been perceived as the only way out of the unholy mess created by the pro-lockdown fanatics in the first place!

414998 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Boris Bullshit, #391 of 1646 🔗

Yes!

414717 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #392 of 1646 🔗

An explanation please?
Americas North and South, Europe ,Africa, Asia. On 11 th January (aggregating all countries into Continents) world-wide cases started to decline.
This cannot be part of new/old/variance in SD/LD. It can’t be vaccinations. It can’t be changing Ct cycling protocols following new WHO guidance ,impossible to implement exact time. It can’t be changing testing pattern or frequencies.
What can it be? We don’t know but strong suspicion of temporal seasonal factors combined with others. But we do know that all sophisticated computer models should be taken now,not with one pinch of salt but two. https://twitter.com/NickHudsonCT/status/1360855434853253120

 All Regions graph in twitter thread. Below just Europe

414720 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #393 of 1646 🔗

see graph

414818 ▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 8, #394 of 1646 🔗

Were I on a different forum I might suggest that Gates had switched the chip off. But that won’t wash here.

If the feature is observed only in one hemisphere, seasonality would seem an obvious trigger. But this seems to be contradicted here, spread as the observation is over both hemispheres.

Much in nature appears to be driven by changes of duration in daylight (commonly a more reliable indicator of time of year, and thus coming climatic conditions, than temperature, rainfall etc.). But of course, in the northern hemisphere by the second week of January daylight is getting appreciably longer, while in the southern it is getting shorter. Perhaps it’s just daylight change that matters, rather than plus or minus change and absolute hours of daylight? Then again, the degree of daylight change varies greatly with distance from the equator.

So I just don’t know. I suspect the figures have to be broken down further into regions, especially latitude regions, before we can start to infer much from this fascinating observation. We can, however, conclude that lockdowns, masks, etc. have nothing to do with it (other than possibly making things worse).

Incidentally, in an earlier post today I’ve thanked you for posting that mass hysteria paper a few days ago, so if you haven’t seen this thanks again here.

415040 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, 2, #395 of 1646 🔗

Seems complex:

‘A fascinating perspective on the latitudinal differentiation of the epidemic, moving from north to south. Says a lot. Pretty similar mititgation approaches in all these states. Notice how as you go south, the curves get more spread out, similar number of total cases. The pattern in the southern states and the southwest in the summer was like this. Whatever it is about the conditions that favor transmission, it is a fairly narrow niche in the north and a wider one as you go south. If it were solely latitudinal, you would assume that total sunlight intensity is the key.’ (and graph, attached)

https://healthy-skeptic.com/2021/01/28/yep-the-virus-has-its-own-rhythm/

‘The pandemic outbreaks are associated with changes in temperature, relative humidity, and wind speed independently of the particular season. We propose that epidemiological models must incorporate climate effects through the AIR index.’

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/pdf/10.1063/5.0037640

415430 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #396 of 1646 🔗

Surely any seasonal effect would be slightly staggered and not suddenly tied to one day.
Suggests a political mandate.

414722 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 31, #397 of 1646 🔗

Swedish government sidelines epidemiologist who steered country’s no lockdown experiment

wtf? how do they get away with writing this shit? “no lockdown” is not an experiment. it’s what we’ve always done, what we’ve always planned for and what we should have done last year.
The experiment is the insanity that we’re living through.

414756 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A Heretic, 17, #398 of 1646 🔗

The lockdown zealots’ presentation of Sweden’s approach as unorthodox has been one of the most despicable aspects of this whole business

414885 ▶▶ LS99, replying to A Heretic, 3, #399 of 1646 🔗

Good spot AH, language is really important.

414730 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 18, #400 of 1646 🔗

Just read about 6 year olds being trailed with Oxford vaccine! Who is letting their child take part? Are they insane ? Incandescent.

414743 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #401 of 1646 🔗

Moloch will be pleased, but only with the first born, and only if without blemish.

414765 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to isobar, 6, #403 of 1646 🔗

How do you evaluate the results of a trial on pregnant women? Success if more than 50 percent of live births have one intact limb and most of a head?

414778 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to isobar, 2, #404 of 1646 🔗

?!??!???? Evil

414794 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to isobar, 6, #405 of 1646 🔗

This evil is too blatant for me. Maybe these arseholes are being forced to expose their evil. For a great awakening , you need to expose the evil.

414760 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #406 of 1646 🔗

This is just horrific. What kind of parent would subject their child to this. If this shitshow wasnt’ scary enough for children, imagine the horror of being a child whose parents sign them up for this.

414772 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 5, #407 of 1646 🔗

I agree…I have always thought a lot of parents are dire but this beggars belief. As you say terrifying being a child with such parents.

414733 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 16, #408 of 1646 🔗

Headline in Daily Mail online:-

The truth about catching Covid when you’re in a supermarket… as latest PHE report shows 53 per cent of people who tested positive reported having visited one either to work or shop

I’m surprised 47% could have avoided going to a supermarket!

Anyway, of that 53% how many weren’t wearing a mask?

What we want are percentage figures for non mask wearing supermarket shoppers testing positive compared to the mask wearers.

414788 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #409 of 1646 🔗

Mail readers may struggle to understand fractions of a percent.

414815 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #410 of 1646 🔗

DMG Media obviously also think- probably correctly- that their readers will struggle to understand correlation and causality as well- and also, it would seem from perusing the article, the idea of objective evidence- one Dr. Julian Tang- a virologist , no less- “believes” that supermarkets are an obvious place for infection, and “believes” that he caught Covid last May at a supermarket.

414833 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 5, #411 of 1646 🔗

I “believe” he may not be much of a scientist.

414858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #412 of 1646 🔗

I believe you may be correct. I believe the whole article was utter dogshit which demonstrates the DM’s contempt for the intelligence of its readership.

414979 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #413 of 1646 🔗

Judging by DM comments this morning many readers are just as well informed as people here.

414800 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #414 of 1646 🔗

All of them I would expect.
100% of the people I know who don’t wear masks have not had CV . 100% of the people I know who had it do wear them.
See I can do that statistics thing too!

414934 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #415 of 1646 🔗

A much more accurate analysis

414824 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #416 of 1646 🔗

Was there not a study some time ago that demonstrated that supermarket workers were at lower risk than many other professions of catching Covid despite having greater exposure? I don’t know why they are dragging this issue up again with only speculation.

414845 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #417 of 1646 🔗

I am pretty sure that they ran a similar story a few weeks ago. Our local Lidl was noticeably quieter afterwards which was nice because the car park was half empty! I think that the MSM is encouraged to publish this tripe because the fat pig dictator and his tyrant pals are freaky about social distancing in supermarkets.

414929 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #418 of 1646 🔗

And how many of that 47% aren’t going for the same reasons as me – can’t stand being near the muzzled sheeple

414753 Awkward Git, 9, #419 of 1646 🔗

Son works for a well-known cruise line doing river cruises in Europe.

He’s just been told that contracts for an end of March start (which has been planned for months) have been delayed and will most likely be towards the end of May now before anything happens.

414759 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 9, #420 of 1646 🔗

The Public Should Use Yellow Card Reporting System to Report Vaccine Side Effects

Great for “the science” but not much help for the millions who’ve been brainwashed into participating in a medical trial without realising the possible consequences of doing so.

414771 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to A Heretic, 7, #421 of 1646 🔗

I wonder how many woikd have agreed if told in advance that their is a small but not insignificant possibility that what was going in your arm could result in an even worse and more desdly pandemuc in the future.

414764 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 29, #422 of 1646 🔗

In the blind rush to save his political bacon, the Pig Dictator (thank you Cecil – he will always be thus for me!) seems to be ignoring at least one (of a herd) of elephants in the room.
The vaccine is a ‘two-jab job’, and ‘the science’ conveniently recommended 12 weeks between the jabs. Of the 14.5m who have ‘had the vaccine’, over 14m have had only one dose.
If the vaccine is the answer to the PD’s prayers, parole will have to be deferred for at least 12 weeks beyond the current thinking. If they are waiting until the 9th tier of the population is jabbed twice (good God, even Huxley only went as low as epsilons!), we will be through the summer and well towards the next Covid-season and restrictions again.
So if the vaccine was the answer, and if we are let out, it will have transparently not been on public safety grounds but political ones.
PS – the poster (sorry, forget who) who pointed out that any restrictions are some form of ‘lockdown’ is dead right. This isn’t over until all Coronavirus Acts and SI’s are withdrawn without reservation and we can go about our lawful business without let or hindrance. I have told people throughout that if we can’t do x or y, it’s because of ‘government restrictions’ not ‘’cos of covid’. So I guess I will need to self-identify as a ‘restrictions sceptic’ from here on in.

414785 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BTLnewbie, 10, #423 of 1646 🔗

They aren’t bothered really about the second jab – they just want to be able to say x number of the more vulnerable have had the “vaccine”. They know really that seasonality and natural immunity is doing the real heavy lifting.

414975 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #424 of 1646 🔗

Giving people the first jab and delaying the second was endorsed by no less an authority than Tony Blair. Wonder why?

414827 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BTLnewbie, 6, #425 of 1646 🔗

I feel case numbers and deaths will drive the push for opening up once the weather improves – much more than numbers of people Vaccinated.

414850 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #426 of 1646 🔗

If that was the case, why didn’t we get back to normal last year, after April? Instead the lockdown continued, and we have been in lockdown since March 2020.

414903 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 2, #427 of 1646 🔗

Lockdown scepticism was fringe back then. Not any more.

414925 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #428 of 1646 🔗

Numbers can / have and will always be manipulated in order to get done whatever is next in the script though

415046 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BTLnewbie, #429 of 1646 🔗

If they are struggling to find enough people for jab 1, why not just give jab 2 to people?

415453 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Silke David, #430 of 1646 🔗

They trumpeted a target of all over-70s being vaccinated by Monday 15th.
Also a total number of jabs achieved, again I think by tomorrow.
Pressure to hit their own targets for a big self-congratulatoryfest.

414766 mj, replying to mj, 4, #431 of 1646 🔗

re mandatory vaccinations imposed by employers on employees.
article in Mail about city firms teaming up with electronic passport suppliers Prenetics to monitor tests and vaccinations .
i though mandatory vaccinations was not a thing

similar concern about care home staff being forced to vaccinate

414821 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mj, 8, #432 of 1646 🔗

It’s not mandatory, you have a choice to keep your job or not, apparently that’s not coercive, in any case do human rights apply to private contracts. You’re not seeing any litigation over cancel culture (violation of freedom of expression) people being dismissed or forced to resign for having the wrong opinion outside the work place & there are no politicians speaking out about it.

414969 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to mj, 8, #433 of 1646 🔗

No doubt they have us surrounded – but, 34% of care home staff are not having the gene therapy. The higher the numbers refusing, the easier it will be for the individual to refuse and the more difficult for the regime to achieve its aims.

414988 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to mj, 7, #434 of 1646 🔗

My company, which is IT and office based, said this week they are “investigating” use of lateral flow tests and monitoring how many people have been vaccinated.
Sounds rather ominous to me and I won’t be participating especially as they are making many of us in the UK redundant end of June. Nothing to do with virus, revenues, etc just because the fuckers at the top can out of malice and most of our jobs are moving to france – couldn’t make it up!

414782 Prof Feargoeson, 9, #435 of 1646 🔗

In Italian, the expression al fresco is slang for spending time in jail (the only light and air in the old underground prisons came from a grate overhead.)

414789 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #436 of 1646 🔗

According to YouGov 101% of our comrades population don’t think we should slowly open the cage or open the cage at all.

414795 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to chaos, 4, #437 of 1646 🔗

Yougov are a joke, I don’t know why anybody bothers with their “polls”.

414876 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to A Heretic, 3, #438 of 1646 🔗

I do them but I know the 1000’s fake accounts from the 77 brigade do as well so the figures are rubbish. I like the fact that you sometimes get chance to leave a comment.

415461 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A Heretic, #439 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately my MP does!

414806 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to chaos, 6, #440 of 1646 🔗

That’s the thing with socialists, they don’t care whether we are all happy or miserable as long as we’re forced to all do it together. Of course not all things are equal, your typical privileged middle class liberal, socialisms strongest advocates, is all for equality until it affects them.

414879 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #441 of 1646 🔗

Have you read Oscar Wilde, ‘The Soul of Man under Socialism’? It’s about people working together to ensure the individual flourishes.

414952 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bungle, #442 of 1646 🔗

“The trouble with socialism is that it takes too many evenings.”

415006 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 1, #443 of 1646 🔗

On a more practicable note Yes it was such a wonderful success, in 1940s Germany, 1960s Vietnam, former USSR, Cuba, Venezuela….. The list is long of failed socialist states of course there is always China where everyone’s free to socialise.

415080 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to chaos, 3, #444 of 1646 🔗

Its funny because I don’t know anyone who supports lockdown. I know a couple of people who are a bit scared of the virus. But everyone thinks lockdowns are wrong and are only working to dumb down children and kill the economy.

415413 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #445 of 1646 🔗

Get them to support the Great Reopening (March 20, I believe)

414793 Wolver, replying to Wolver, 28, #446 of 1646 🔗

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1360647462197878791

Vitamin D trends on twater this morning. Apparently a study has shown an 80% reduction in ICU admissions and a 60% reduction in death for people taking Vit D.

Not like many of us have been screaming about this for a year now! Gov has even more blood on there hands! All starting to come out now, could have saved thousands of lives by just prescribing vit D and zinc, not to mention save billions! So angry, its all right out in the open, all people need to do is open their eyes…

414811 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Wolver, 4, #447 of 1646 🔗

They prefer the vaxx because it will be easier to be followed by the vaxx passport.

414828 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to TheClone, 7, #448 of 1646 🔗

Oh I know. Vit D far to cheap and they can’t patent it. Here’s an idea though, how about instead of testing the ‘vaccine’ on children, we teach them the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle!

414864 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to TheClone, 2, #449 of 1646 🔗

Which will then be followed by the digital social passport.

414799 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #450 of 1646 🔗

Are there any vaccines besides all the Covid ones which require two shots? Does anyone know why two shots are required, unlike the flu jab?

414823 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #451 of 1646 🔗

According to an iNews article…
The first Pfizer jab is a primer, the second ensures a stronger response (paraphrased.)

“Many vaccines, including those given to children, require more than one dose. Two jabs for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is not unusual.
The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, requires two doses, the first aged one and the second when a child is three years and four months old.
Children need five doses of the vaccine against polio , between the ages of eight weeks and 14 years. ”

414830 ▶▶ alw, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #452 of 1646 🔗

Rabies, but then that doesn’t seem to have protected us from the mad dogs that are on the loose.

414900 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #453 of 1646 🔗

Money. Cash. Spondulicks.

414924 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Suet, 3, #454 of 1646 🔗

Green foldin’ stuff. Moolah. Wampum. Geld auf dem Tisch. In this life, one thing counts/ In the bank: large amounts.

416019 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Londo Mollari, #455 of 1646 🔗

My polio jabs in 1958 required 3 doses according to the chit I have here. There are spaces on the type written certificate for the first two in April and May but the third in December is on a line added in pencil. Fairly early days of Salk vaccine and it was at Medical Centre, Rifle Range Road, Kuala Lumpur, so that may be some explanation. I was five but polio is dangerous to children unlike C-19.

414808 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 30, #456 of 1646 🔗

Ah Jonathan Barr again.

Falling for the con.

Putting figures of “cases” and “R number” up is just deluding yourself. These are vague metrics invented for the purpose of theoreticians.

The only metrics are:

How many are dying?
Is this substantialy different than other years?
How is Covid being measured and differentiated?

There NEVER has been a serious pandemic. Have some people died of something that has been called Covid-19? Yes.

Is this a substantial number? No.

The sceptics case is always start with the fundamentals. Only when the fundamentals have been shown to be correct by those that make claims can you move to nuances.

The fundamentals have NEVER been shown to be correct.

We are living in a tyrannical state built on lies and deception, either willfully or by egotistical stupidity. When this is all over you’re going to be looking like a fool for ever believing in this. Or talking about Asymptomatic Transmission like that was ever a thing.

This is exactly the same as believing any of the climate science idiotic data.

414870 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 13, #457 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely. And this is the time for realists (let’s abandon the term ‘sceptics’) to turn up the gas, not back down.

You cannot compromise basic human rights and documents like the Nuremberg Protocols to placate the heirs of Goebbels and Mengele – otherwise those previous generations’ efforts were in vain.

414944 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 1, #458 of 1646 🔗

Well said.

415516 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, #459 of 1646 🔗

basically, what is the difference between somebody insisting that I have an injection which I believe to be lethal, just because they believe their survival depends on it, and me forcing somebody to donate their kidney to me, or even their heart or liver, just because I need a transplant? and if they refused, then somehow THEY are the one who is selfish and cowardly?

414873 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to mhcp, 8, #460 of 1646 🔗

Well done whoever you are. I provide a summary for my family each week and ask them to look for 10 minutes. I keep quiet the rest of the week. This week there are 4 things: first, the age-standardised death figures showing 2020 to be 9th deadliest this century – that’s right, there have been 8 more deadly in 20 years. Secondly, I show the massive spike in deaths co-incident with vaccine outreach in care homes. Thirdly, I draw attention to the paper – see pic below – which shows how SARS 1 trials had to stop when animals started dying. Finally, I give 3 comments from LS bloggers aimed at the kids, one tells them to get off their fannies and do something; another sympathises and a third blames teachers for being compliant to the narrative.

414820 Tom Blackburn, 1, #461 of 1646 🔗

Personally, I am more than happy for this thread of thinking to take hold

414826 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #462 of 1646 🔗

Has anyone else noticed that the dissenting MPs all assume that having the jab will set us free?
Vaccine = immunity from lockdowns & restrictions
Does anyone else find this less than encouraging?

ATL there’s lot of assumptions about all the over-65s being vaxxed.
And dePiffle’s war cry about not resting till every adult has been jabbed is extremely worrying.

The image below is from Steve Baker’s twitter feed.

414835 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #463 of 1646 🔗

It’s but a short step from this, to vaccine passports being required for us to be ‘allowed’ to engage in social life again.
I’ve heard this mentioned, quite casually, in relation to a social club I belong to – “well, we can only resume our activities if the committee refuses access to those of our members who haven’t been vaccinated”.

414847 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to BTLnewbie, 25, #464 of 1646 🔗

Please can someone tell me what the vaccinated fear from the unvaccinated? Did everyone who had the flu vaccine fear those who hadn’t – did anyone even know who had or hadn’t had the flu vaccine?? – and what is the difference????

414880 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to CGL, 6, #465 of 1646 🔗

The difference is that Covid is the plague – probably as bad as Ebola! I mean, if it wasn’t the plague, why on earth would our leaders have gone to all this effort to protect us from it?
[So goes their logic – and “why on earth wouldn’t I want the magic vaccine, to protect myself, my children and my grandchildren, and also to protect them, their children and their grandchildren.” I’m afraid there will be no reasoning with them. I fear that Mrs BTL and I will be outcasts from our favoured social activities for a long while after normality has resumed.]

415393 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BTLnewbie, #466 of 1646 🔗

You might well be the only surviving members of those groups.

415486 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #467 of 1646 🔗

another thing this shitshow has revealed to me about human beings: rationality, logic and sanity were only ever a thin veneer, easily and quickly scraped away to reveal the rock-solid and unfathomable depths beneath of the primitive lizard-brained animal

415074 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to CGL, 2, #468 of 1646 🔗

I asked that of somebody in my local rag after they said it was selfish people like me that were keeping us all locked down becauase I refuse to let my body be hackcinated

415421 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to primesinister, #469 of 1646 🔗

It just makes no sense – do they not hear themselves??

415492 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to primesinister, 3, #470 of 1646 🔗

my body, my choice. if your survival can’t be maintained without taking control of my body, then to be honest, you can just fuck off and die

415477 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 1, #471 of 1646 🔗

Covid has VARIANTS!

415480 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CGL, 4, #472 of 1646 🔗

they are now not even pretending to be logical or rational, and the brainwashed are too far gone to notice or care: -apparently, so the doctrine goes, the so-called ‘vaccine’ neither prevents you from catching the so-called ‘disease’ nor prevents you from passing it on to others – so IN WHAT THE FUCK SENSE IS THIS A VACCINE????? WHAT’S THE FUCKING POINT??? – as far as I can see, it is just another cultist rite: you ‘take the needle’ in much the same way as you would ‘take Holy Communion’ – and those who refuse are heretics and blasphemers

415484 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #473 of 1646 🔗

another thing this shitshow has revealed to me about human beings: rationality, logic and sanity were only ever a thin veneer, easily and quickly scraped away to reveal the rock-solid and unfathomable depths beneath of the primitive lizard-brained animal

414937 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #474 of 1646 🔗

Lets be clear about this, it was always going to be their goal. The only way to fight back is not to comply with anything!

414846 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #475 of 1646 🔗

Yes even if some of them privately oppose lockdowns in principle or know they don’t work or think it was wildly disproportionate, they don’t want to say so publicly or openly go against the vaccine narrative

414860 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #476 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely. Substitute one myth for another. Great!

Of course – the truth is that there is a high probability that bone-headed lockup has damaged population immunity.

414861 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #477 of 1646 🔗

Yep. I find it disturbing. I can’t fathom how both most of the population and MPs persist in this line of reasoning despite the fact that we have been told repeatedly by the politburo and their scientific sidekicks that the vaccine is not enough. And that’s before I consider their moral reasoning.

I went to visit my parents yesterday for the first time in a while. It’s a couple of weeks since they had jab1 and they will get the second shot in April. I wasn’t expecting hugs but I thought there might be a slight relaxation in twitchiness around me. Nope. So I don’t expect anything will change after April either – they still won’t have 100% guarantee that I won’t finish them off. In their defence they are lockdown sceptical and are appalled that younger people’s lives are being ruined in their name and would support lifting of all restrictions yesterday. Their behaviour and our relationship has been permanently warped and this must be true for countless people.

414945 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #478 of 1646 🔗

I made a point of hugging my cousin and her husband when they came to lunch the other day, its amazing what a simple expression of affection can do. I detest this government so much for taking away the simplest of pleasures in our lives. May they rot in hell!

415003 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #479 of 1646 🔗

Don’t worry, they will. There’s probably a new, extra circle being built in hell right now for coronacriminals.

414953 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #480 of 1646 🔗

Your last sentence captures the true horror. I hope generally that it isn’t ‘permanent’ – but the tension within families is immense, even when there is basic agreement such as you outline.

I don’t think this is helped by some ‘sceptics’ using the comfort blanket of ‘stupidity’ as an explanation in order to feel better.

Were it as simple as that.

If only just ranting like a drunk on a street corner was an answer.

But it isn’t – particularly if you have friends and family.

We currently have family here, with our 6-month grandson who we haven’t seen since October. They have ignored any ‘rules’ to be here, I’m glad to say. But I am staying well away from any Covid references, because they actually don’t share my degree of dismissal. That also is reality.

414862 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #481 of 1646 🔗

Until such time as there is clear, incontrovertible proof that any of these”vaccines” prevent transmission or provide definitive immunity then they need to stop spreading such misinformation surely?

414863 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, 39, #482 of 1646 🔗

In contrast

414887 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #483 of 1646 🔗

Quite!

415078 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to CGL, #484 of 1646 🔗

Quite right

414933 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #485 of 1646 🔗

Let all the MPs have the jab and let their children and grandchildren be used as lab rats. In 10 years if none of them have died or had serious health issues I may consider having it.

415087 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bella Donna, #486 of 1646 🔗

I misred your comment i thought you said use mps kids as stab vests hmmm
i like thAt better.

415404 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #487 of 1646 🔗

Make sire it is genuine and not just saline.

414936 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cheezilla, #488 of 1646 🔗

Grossly irresponsible and false.

415279 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #489 of 1646 🔗

Or will the “vaccines” give us another panic-demic, lets give it 8 months & see what happens next autumn if or how the “vaccine” reacts to other infectious diseases.

Early on there were papers suggesting the flu vaccine made a bad covid more likely.

415489 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #490 of 1646 🔗

I suspect that’s what will happen. I was asking questions about flu jabs being linked to severe covid last spring, especially as the fatal covid symptoms seemed to be cytokine storms.
I’m certainly very concerned about the imminent epidemic of ADEs.

414843 merlin, replying to merlin, 10, #491 of 1646 🔗

Just watching djokovic vs raonic, zero crowd, but they are playing artificial crowd noise. The commentator thinks this is great. Sick bastards.

414853 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to merlin, 3, #492 of 1646 🔗

Was thinking along these lines while forcing myself to watch our shitshow against Leicester City last night- this seems to be the future of elite-level sport which our masters have in store for us.

414867 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 7, #493 of 1646 🔗

Elite sport has no future if the grassroots level is destroyed.
Also it cannot be long before clubs outside the premier league begin to go bust.They cannot function without crowds.

414884 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #494 of 1646 🔗

I am fairly confident that Premiership-level clubs will evolve- have been evolving for a fair while- a financial model which will enable them to function profitably without fans going through what used to be turnstiles. People will still play football at grassroots level, of course, but I think the bottom two divisions have little long-term future outside their constituent clubs being bought wholesale by Premiership interests and used as academies/feeders. As a football follower since 1964 one fervently hopes not, of course.

414904 ▶▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #495 of 1646 🔗

The financial model (sales of merchandise globally, global fan-bases) only works if football is true theatre as it used to be. No crowds, no theatre.
Watching the mighty Leicester City yesterday (fun as it was – sorry Dermot) in the absence of crowds, was an anodyne experience. Even the Premiership can’t survive this long-term.

414912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #496 of 1646 🔗

The healthiest thing that can happen to the Prem this season is for Leicester to win it, and I sincerely hope they/you do. Weller!/Sammels!/Worthington!!!/Birchenall!/Glover!

414946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #497 of 1646 🔗

Or Aston Villa, and I’m a Wolves fan.

414958 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #498 of 1646 🔗

The premier league can function without fans but for how long.Also match day income is still important with clubs earning a million plus a game.Football without supporters is a sterile dead game and a much reduced spectacle.
Remember grassroots football is illegal at the moment with no end in sight.Where are the future footballers going to come from?

415276 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jonathan Palmer, #499 of 1646 🔗

Africa, South and Central America, Eastern Europe, much as they do now. As I say, I really do hope my pessimism is proved wrong.

415047 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #500 of 1646 🔗

Bring it on. I think the attempt by amateur or semi professional leagues to feed the European elite is becoming a closed shop. The ladder has been pulled up and its nothing but a billionaire’s playground.

Look at the GAA in Ireland. Has its issues with cronyism but its an amateur sport brining in big crowds and plays a massive role in communities.

415296 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #501 of 1646 🔗

The GAA and Gaelic sports have a central role in the Irish people’s sense of national identity. Nothing in the UK is remotely comparable.

414923 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #502 of 1646 🔗

Sport in general has no real future in this situation. Nor have the performing arts, and lots of other activities – as long as the control is ceded to the sociopaths.

Of course, big money in the media and IT will pretend that there is a brave new technological future, because (oldest motive of all) there’s £s and $s to be made by the bucketful from an audience starved of reality.

But anyone who is actually awake and watching the Five Nations this weekend can see through this shit-show, with players kissing each others’ bums, but then donning a mask for an interview!

414940 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RickH, 1, #503 of 1646 🔗

The major industry will be population management with a private prison system at the centre of it to hold those of the experimented who either turn to traditional crime or who are political criminals.

No doubt tv shows about hunting pedophiles and reality tv shows about people on benefits will be part of that management.

414942 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #504 of 1646 🔗

I think that some premiership clubs have gone down on record as saying that they don’t need fans at their grounds and are ok with the tv money.

414996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #505 of 1646 🔗

This process away from financial reliance on fans watching at the grounds predates Covid.

415022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #506 of 1646 🔗

First heard it almost 20 years ago.

415277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, #507 of 1646 🔗

Yep.

414962 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to jonathan Palmer, #508 of 1646 🔗

Somehow my team, currently holding up the rest of league 1, are managing to survive but I don’t know for how long. I know that they do have a very astute chairman and have been financially sound for years, but that could change.

414990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to p02099003, #509 of 1646 🔗

Burton Albion?

414877 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to merlin, 11, #510 of 1646 🔗

Watching the horse racing yesterday a jockey (can’t remember his name) is quarantining in Australia. Usual zoom interview took place (yawn)

The presenter puppet interviewing him was gushing and asked him ‘so you are quarantining what’s it like, can you come and go as you please?’, smily smile smile, jolly jappery.

Me shouting at the tv it’s fucking quarantine the clue is in the name!!

Jockey ‘no I can’t do anything, dinner is delivered to the door, I can’t leave, but it’s really important blah blah. I have an exercise bike in my room and Netflix ha, ha, giggle, giggle’

For fuck sake. You are imprisoned you cretin.

Until these useful idiots finally say enough is enough and it is not ok and absurd it will continue.

414909 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to stefarm, 5, #511 of 1646 🔗

Not the sharpest knives in the drawer are they. Just the tiniest.

414939 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to CGL, 3, #512 of 1646 🔗

Very true, ban all sport I say. Will be good to see the ‘pundits’ crying when their income dries up.

415023 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to merlin, 2, #513 of 1646 🔗

i agree – i can’t watch sport with empty stadiums and those that are there masked up!
Will be interesting to see if wimbledon goes ahead this year – without the ticket sales i don’t see how they could afford to put the tournament on.

415146 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to penelope pitstop, #514 of 1646 🔗

Quite refreshing to watch the cricket from India. Only 15k in the stadium true, but they are sitting together in groups, not many masks, and cheering.

415060 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to merlin, 1, #515 of 1646 🔗

Surely the crowd noise does not match what is going on in the game?

415214 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to merlin, #516 of 1646 🔗

As with televised football matches, the crowd noise is added in the studio and is not audible to the players themselves. I am sure it must influence the outcome of many matches.

https://apnews.com/article/australia-state-governments-aryna-sabalenka-coronavirus-pandemic-victoria-29939f0ee1d4da0def75d5b2b045d5b0

414852 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #517 of 1646 🔗

Following the public rejection of the same measures in London Propagandalive now reports –

“Frustrated Edinburgh locals sign petition so Spaces for People doesn’t become permanent
During the pandemic, the council used the £5m it received from the Scottish government to introduce various road closures and temporary traffic measures using emergency coronavirus powers, but now the measures could become permanent”

They always were intended to be permanent.

414854 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #518 of 1646 🔗

Of course, all part of the agenda.

415072 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #519 of 1646 🔗

More blatant propaganda out of the rag today – quite unbelieveable how badly crafted..3 para..

“As a young beat constable in the early 1970s, Tom Wood knew Edinburgh’s most infamous madam Dora Noyce and realised she was an “incredibly astute businesswoman”.

“The former top cop saw how Noyce won favour from his CID colleagues with tips and kept her neighbours “sweet” with generosity towards good causes.

“Much of the city’s prostitution was under the strong-willed grip of this Tory-voting matron, a situation which suited the police.”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburghs-most-infamous-madam-kept-19835993

Voting persuasion has no bearing in the article. One wonders how the rag knows this to be fact.

414856 RickH, 11, #520 of 1646 🔗

Once again, we have implicit concessions to the government narrative :

So still spreading, but perhaps the banner should read “Coronavirus (COVID-19) is slowing down”. It could speed up again, I suppose, but at this particular moment in time it is slowing down.”

which misses the key point that Covid never justified the provoked hysteria and consequent Scary Fairy dances – beyond the initial period when little was known.

Keep focused!

414857 PastImperfect, 1, #521 of 1646 🔗

Rachel Elnaugh. Suggestions 25 minutes in.

SAD – YouTube

414865 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #522 of 1646 🔗

LS today features both the overly optimistic Sewdish modelling and the overly pessimistic (& plain wrong & negligent) Imperial modelling which a uni student has managed to spot is fundamentally flawed. It continues to contain a broad spectrum of views re ‘vaccines,’ both practical and ethical. Plus it has examined the costs and benefits of govt. actions. In other words, it has done the job which SAGE and ministers shoiuld have. The challenge is to ensure that in future there doesn’t have to be a LS site, or at least not one which has had to carry the burden of preserving free expression and rational argument based on evidence. That has to happen within the political mainstream, despite our general negative views of those who govern us.

415160 ▶▶ MrWilliam, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #523 of 1646 🔗

Another sensible comment, in the same measured tone that you use on the local newspaper comment forums. The amount of ignorant replies bordering on abuse you get there is shocking. Don’t give up. Do carry on getting the arguments out there.

415355 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to MrWilliam, #524 of 1646 🔗

Thanks-don’t worry, I won’t give up!

415496 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MrWilliam, #525 of 1646 🔗

Most of the abuse is probably from bots and trolls.

414866 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #526 of 1646 🔗
415503 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #527 of 1646 🔗

That’s very good. Thanks.

414871 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 20, #528 of 1646 🔗

I have read the original article in the Telegraph that is supposedly quoting Tegnell. We know that recently he has been completely misquoted on purpose. I strongly suspect he never said some of these words. For instance:
‘”That has proven to be not right because immunity in the population has developed much much lower than I think anybody expected in the beginning. A lot of the initial modelling stuff was also having that assumption and it didn’t turn out to be the case.’
That is just incorrect, all the initial modelling ( especially by Imperial) had zero prior immunity assumed. Tegnell knows this, its part of the reason they rejected the lockdown approach.
‘”Herd immunity is not even possible to attain without having a vaccine, because you can never reach those high levels of immunity that actually stops the disease,”
This is just am idiotic statement that Tegnell would never make. If it were true the human race would have died out thousands of years ago.
This travesty of a hit job should not have been quoted on LS, but today of course we have an inferior editor.

415999 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to peyrole, #529 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for reading the Telegraph, didn’t make sense as reported.

414888 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #530 of 1646 🔗

Amanda Holden is another high profile person caught in the stupidity of regulations. I don’t want to go into details of why she did what she did, I’m sure many if not most people have broken the rules at some point over the last year.

The point I want to make is that for some these actions are only wrong when there are rules in place. It’s like the woman who gave me the evil eye for walking the wrong way in the supermarket when they had a one way system, but it would have been ok a couple of weeks later when they removed it.

Or it was ok to be going around killing people by not wearing a mask until we were all told we had to wear masks.

Or having 6+ people in a restaurant was ok one day then the next it wasn’t.

All this is only a problem precisely because there are rules/laws in place to say it’s not ok. If everything was voluntary nobody would care if Ms Holden drove 200 miles or if Kay Burley chose to celebrate her birthday with some friends.

Instead we have absurd situations where Piers Morgan jets off to a beach holiday over Xmas because it was allowed, and since it was allowed ok for people to die, but can now accuse others of murderer if they do what he did just because it’s no longer allowed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9257821/Amanda-Holden-reported-police-breaching-Covid-rules.html

Amanda Holden is reported to police for breaching Covid rules after she travelled 200 miles to visit her parents in Cornwall following ‘distressing’ family phone call – as she prepares to celebrate her 50th birthday on Tuesday

414897 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #531 of 1646 🔗

She was providing support to a vulnerable person. The stoolie neighbour ought to know the law being a member of the Stasi.

415252 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #532 of 1646 🔗

Many in the police seem to prefer to overlook the fact that ‘the rules’, even the most draconian, do currently allow for certain circumstances where they do not apply, such as concern about a relative. It says more about the police than the public that their automatic suspicion is that everybody is acting nefariously.

414916 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #533 of 1646 🔗

Its all ridiculous and pathetic. I’ve asked friends that, if Johnson said ok you dont need to wear your mask now what they would do, all said, well if we’re told its ok ………..

414960 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DanClarke, 7, #534 of 1646 🔗

I find it massively hypocritical that those believing every word that drips out of his mouth are those who would never have voted for him in a million years.
I however did vote for him (what alternative was there to be fair?) and cannot stand to listen or watch him or any of his evil cohorts. Ballot being spoiled next time, if there ever is one.

415045 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to CGL, 1, #535 of 1646 🔗

I emai;lwed him once and told him to f**** his own face to be fair

415278 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CGL, 2, #536 of 1646 🔗

yes, i’ve made the exact same observation! Boris Johnson is like a god to these lefty-liberal types; while I am consumed with bitter remorse about having endorsed this evil dictator with my vote. I don’t think there will be any more elections; or if they are, they will be of the Dominion USA 2020 variety. I received a postal vote form from the local conservative party for the May council elections which I returned [in an SAE paid for by them] with ‘fuck off and die you evil fascist cunts’ scrawled in sharpie over the form. I would write something similar if I ever got near a ballot paper again

414991 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 6, #537 of 1646 🔗

Nappies one day, no nappies the next, nappies on Fridays but not on Saturdays unless there’s an R in the month, double nappies on bank holidays, let’s fry what little remains of the zombies’ brains, yay.

415050 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, #538 of 1646 🔗

WTF happens in a leap year

415507 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to primesinister, 2, #539 of 1646 🔗

We ask how high?

415027 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to DanClarke, 3, #540 of 1646 🔗

Just had a lightbulb moment (as I trip over the body count piling up in the street).

On a Monday all those people with a surname beginning with E can have a normal life for that day, on a Tuesday all those with the surname with F, on a Wednesday all those with a surname with G. There are 26 letters in the alphabet, so logic being everyone will have one day of normality a month, very fair…..

414921 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nobody2021, 5, #541 of 1646 🔗

Losers get a kick out of bringing down a celeb. Never mind, I expect she can afford the fine and the reputational damage will fade away.

414994 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 12, #542 of 1646 🔗

Damage?She’s gone up astronomically in my estimation.

414889 richardw53, replying to richardw53, 2, #543 of 1646 🔗

If this hasn’t been posted before, it’s a link for the petition to stop vaccine passports: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

414915 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richardw53, 3, #544 of 1646 🔗

I signed it only to discover I had already signed it!!

414983 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #545 of 1646 🔗

Ditto!
I’m pleased with myself that myself signed it, even if myself subsequently forgot having done so. It shows that myself has always been on the right track.

415161 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, #546 of 1646 🔗

And myself

414891 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #547 of 1646 🔗

I’m thinking about starting my own zero Covid movement. I toyed with “kill all living things (esp. people, bats and cats)” as my central tenet, but it seemed a bit extreme. So I’ve decided to go with “stop testing”. It shall henceforth be illegal to administer or participate in any test which has the purpose of identifying the SARS-Cov-2 virus or any derivative thereof. In the spirit of the current regime, I’ll just need a minute or 2 to enact this new law. I expect my zero Covid strategy to be instantly successful. You’re welcome.

415264 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #548 of 1646 🔗

‘zero covid’ is just Newspeak for ‘zero human beings’

415510 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #549 of 1646 🔗

That’s zero carbon.

414892 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 18, #550 of 1646 🔗

Apologies if posted before, but an American friend emailed me this this morning.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-sherri-tenpenny-you-will-start-seeing-the-effects-of-the-covid19-vaccines-in-3-6-months_hD6uNbdmXCuaRRI.html
Messenger RNA vaccines EXPLAINED 1/2
There are 72 common vaccines in the United States.
We have never ever used an mRNA vaccine ever.
We have RNA vaccines. Measles virus is an RNA virus. Polio is an RNA virus.
But the difference is that in those vaccines the virus is part of the vaccine wholly-intact.
When your body generates an antibody against a virus, it is against the outer coating proteins of that virus.
What we’re doing with this new vaccine is we’re taking a little piece of the covid viruses genetics. Specifically, we are taking the code associated with what’s called the Spike Protein. We’re injecting that into the body creating something called a ‘non-neutralizing antibody’ which, in essence, instead of taking that messenger RNA and gobbling it up and making it go away like what happens when you get a measles vaccine and you get a measles and it gobbles it up and it makes it go away, this non-neutralizing antibody actually creates something called antibody dependent enhancement. That’s often referred to as ADE.
An antibody dependent enhancement allows that little piece of messenger RNA to start replicating on its own. And it will. Over and over again, creating these little pieces of proteins inside of our body for our body to create an antibody against.
This is what will Bill Gates meant when he said “yeah, human beings can become their own little vaccine manufacturing machine.”
Because we interject this messenger RNA that binds onto your reverse transcriptase enzymes, and starts replicating itself over and over again creating more antibodies against the spike protein.
Here’s where it gets really interesting..
That spike protein has been shown in 2 other very specific ways to cause injury.
1.) When you create an antibody to that spike proteins..Antibodies are designed and when we write about them in literature we make it look like the letter Y. The two arms of the Y are called FAB fragments and the stem is the FAC fragments FAB are the ones that grab hold of the virus and generally neutralize it.
When you look at the messenger RNA it grabs hold of it but kind of loosely binds it and when this FAC fragment goes over and hooks onto the macrophage that’s supposed to kill it, and it gets taken inside and that messenger RNA gets released.
That’s where it starts to replicate over and over again. It’s like having an on-button but no off-button.
That whole thing, that whole Y mechanism I just described to you has a name. They call it Trojan horse mechanism. They call it this because it allows that virus and that piece of that virus to get inside of your cells, start to replicate, and even get inserted into other parts of your DNA as a Trojan horse.
That is one of three mechanisms.
2.) When you create this antibody, this non-neutralizing antibody, to the messenger RNA, (or that stem/FAC segment to that spike protein) can go into your lungs and attach to the lung tissue and start developing diffuse alveolar damage, which is diffuse injury to the cells inside of your lungs. Where. You. Breath!
It starts to break them down and destroy them. And what those antibodies do is they cause various degrees of puss and bleeding and damage to your lungs.
So, as you get this vaccine, this messenger RNA, you create an antibody, the antibody carries the thing inside of the cells through Trojan horse mechanism the antibody itself goes and starts to damage the lungs

3.) And the even more sinister thing is that spike protein antibodies can attack your macrophage.
Macrophage are a type of white blood cell that gobble up bacteria and bad viruses in your system that aren’t supposed to be there through your FH1 pathway, your hyper-vigilant white blood cells.
We get bacteria into our body all day long from eating, brushing teeth, going to the bathroom, having sex, so those white blood cells just come along and gobble things up and make them go away. There are 2 types of macrophages.
When you get pneumonia or some sort of serious infection the type 1 macrophages are pro-inflammatory and they show up at infection and start creating cytokines and blowing whistles and bringing all the things to try to kill off the infection. They are very aggressive and highly inflammatory, which is what you want!
The type 2 are anti-inflammatory so as you start to recover, the type 2 come in and tell the other guys “shut up we’re here to clean up the mess.” So, they clean up the debris, the dead white blood cells, and all these things.
So both those macrophages work together in concert type 1 -kill off infection and type 2-heal it.
When you’ve got this antibody to the spike protein, which is the full intent and purpose of this entire vaccine, that antibody kills your type 2 macrophages. It attaches to them and inactivates them.

414893 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 20, #551 of 1646 🔗

continued….
So, in the experimental animals that died of lung infection and inflammation when they sacrificed them..what they found was that all of the lungs were filled up with all of these type 1 pro-inflammatory, highly cytokine types of macrophages and zero type 2 macrophages.
What they did when sacrificing these animals that had not been vaccinated but had been sick, they found that within two days of getting sick without the antibody, without the vaccine, the type 2 macrophages had come into the infection and started cleaning up the mess and started healing it as long as they didn’t have the presence of a spiked antibody.
With the presence of a spiked antibody it killed them and didn’t allow them to do their job.
So, those are 3 of probably 7 mechanisms of how this vaccine is going to cause a problem.
1.) Antibodies to the spike protein are going to destroy your lungs. 2.) The antibody to the spike protein is going to shut off your M2 anti-inflammatory macrophages. 3.) The antibody to the spike protein is going to loosely bind the virus, or loosely bind the messenger RNA, and drag it inside of your cell through a Trojan horse phenomenon, making it start replicating and having this process go on and on and on because it is an on-button without an off-button.

414910 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #552 of 1646 🔗

Scary stuff and yet those companies are immune from prosecution !

414896 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 18, #554 of 1646 🔗

‘Slowly opening the cage’ does not instill any optimism within me I’m afraid. At best it will be a repeat of last summer with the government and SAGE keeping the handbrake on until we reach autumn and then the restrictions will be ramped up again. And off we go again.

414914 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #555 of 1646 🔗

I think the only potential positive is that if this virus behaves like a normal infectious respiratory virus the herd immunity will kick in and the virus will just bubble along at low level.
Let’s hope that government has had a brain transplant by then…

414951 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to MFvH, 5, #556 of 1646 🔗

But they will just manufacture cases. The two PCR tests you now have to take while isolating from a return trip abroad, the one on day 2 is for the purpose of aiding the government to identify new strains, as per their own literature and not to test for a Covid infection, as such, that is day 8. Therefore just wait, the next few months they will be identifying new strains from numerous countries, shutting down, even further, the narrow windows of travel still open.

414974 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to MFvH, 1, #557 of 1646 🔗

My worry is that farting around with lockdowns, vaccines et. will bugger this natural process.

414898 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 15, #558 of 1646 🔗

I think Spiegelhalter has now completely lost it.
He throws around discredited monster IFRs in the Guardian to prove that Covid is worse than the, eradicated…, flu, and sees statistical validity in the stronger decline of deaths of the 85+yr olds in the DM without putting these numbers into historic perspective and, above all, comparing it to a totally different age group. If one wanted to deduce that the vaccine works with regard to deaths, at the very least one must compare the unvaccinated 85+yr old’s only with the vaccinated ones!
But then, science and the Enlightenment have died in March 2020.
The Hitchens article demonstrates this too: that sensible British plan was also the WHO’s and all other countries plan, but only Sweden&co stuck to it.

414907 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to JayBee, 8, #559 of 1646 🔗

Agree entirely, sadly- I expected more from Spiegelhalter.

414930 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JayBee, 8, #560 of 1646 🔗

Blair appears to be the instigator of all things that wreck the UK, he is the one agitating for Covid Passports, he is the one behind Ferguson’s dodgy models, he encourages all of the Blairite groupies to follow him, sort of cultish

414935 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DanClarke, 7, #561 of 1646 🔗

He’s just a hatchet man from the coterie of technocrats and bankers around Gates et al.

414972 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 7, #562 of 1646 🔗

He’s the one behind diversity, identity & equality that’s destroying our country, he’s the one behind the destruction of the Middle East & growth of terrorist groups, he’s the one behind corporate NGO’s controlling our lives, surprise surprise all globalist agendas, or at least he’s one of the ones responsible, Blair is the exception that supports the death penalty for crimes to humanity!

415093 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #563 of 1646 🔗

He is a Tory traitor ! Check his family history ! Just used the Labour Party as a vehicle ! A very dirty bar stead indeed !!!

415703 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, #564 of 1646 🔗

Well said A_S,Tony Blair, bloody Socialist.

415010 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DanClarke, #565 of 1646 🔗

I’m more than happy to believe this so have you got a link? MW

415029 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to DanClarke, 4, #566 of 1646 🔗

george osbourne has said in a nutshell passports for everything if you dont conform fuck you,

414966 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JayBee, 4, #567 of 1646 🔗

Agree Spiegelhalter has completely lost it.

I read his book the Norm Chronicles, which is actually quite good, as are some of his attempts to explain risk such as using micromorts of risk.

And yet his understanding of risk at the moment in relation to covid seems to be extremely poor.

He’s struggled to understand the difference between infection fatality rate and population fatality rate. And he fails to understand that someone who incidentally tests positive for SARS-C0V-2 but dies of something else isn’t a covid death.

He comes across as very arrogant and very unwilling to change his mind when he is wrong.

414971 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, 5, #568 of 1646 🔗

Yes – if there is one serious symptom of Covid that has not been examined, it’s the perversion of rationality.

I have a great respect for Spiegelhalter as a statistician – and his last book was brilliant at examining real (absolute) risk in a health context.

But he certainly seems to have lost judgment recently.

414901 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #569 of 1646 🔗

You couldn’t make it up…..

Sky News: COVID-19: Raab says govt won’t be held to ‘arbitrary target’ of lifting lockdown by end of April.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-raab-says-no-10-will-not-be-held-to-arbitrary-target-for-lifting-lockdown-after-calls-to-end-all-restrictions-by-end-of-april-12217743

414968 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #570 of 1646 🔗

They love the power they have stolen from us too much to give it back.

414976 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #571 of 1646 🔗

Good, they can lift it earlier then.

415083 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #572 of 1646 🔗

I thought it was mid February.That has morphed into Easter.Now there are no guarantees about end of April.This the governments endless war.

415464 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #573 of 1646 🔗

I do think they have trouble keeping this ball in the air the longer they try.

414906 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 14, #574 of 1646 🔗
414948 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to JayBee, 21, #575 of 1646 🔗

Great article from Neil Clark – last paragraph says it all:

When will the nightmare end? Only when enough people realise it’s not meant to end. If we carry on accepting these never-ending restrictions then our old lives – when we could meet who we liked when we liked, chat to people in crowded pubs, and attend sports events, concerts and travel wherever we wanted to – are not coming back. Our freedoms, like those of the boiling frog, will be gone forever.

414911 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 13, #576 of 1646 🔗

If supermarkets are a major source of infection, then why aren’t shop assistances on danger money?

414918 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #577 of 1646 🔗

EXACTLY!!
Father of a shop worker.

414928 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #578 of 1646 🔗

Because they are worthless, soon to be experimented on and replaced by robots.

414949 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #579 of 1646 🔗

Simply because they are not major sources of infection. If they were a significant number of shop workers would have suffered with Covid – but they haven’t. I use many supermarkets in my neighbourhood and have seen the same stalwart staff week in, week out. They are the only places left open to claim infections are rife so are now an easy target.

414986 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 9, #580 of 1646 🔗

so supermarkets were fine during the real outbreak when everyone was maskless but now that everyone’s masked supermarkets are plague pits? One might conclude from that that it’s masks that are causing the spread.

415021 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to A Heretic, 3, #581 of 1646 🔗

Indeed.

414926 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 1, #582 of 1646 🔗

Apparently Dominic Raab has said they haven’t ruled out needing proof of vaccination to get into hospitality or sports venues

414931 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to p02099003, 4, #583 of 1646 🔗

I wouldn’t piss in the company of my fellow Brit. I may eventually take this experimental gene therapy if it means I can move to France.

415356 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to FedupofLies, #584 of 1646 🔗

I’d go reverse dinghy if I were you

414965 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to p02099003, 9, #585 of 1646 🔗

Its discrimination and a dangerous path to tread. In the old days when signs saying ‘No blacks, No Irish’ used to regularly be seen, that kind of exclusion is no more acceptable now!

415098 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to p02099003, 7, #586 of 1646 🔗

My latest missive to this useless piece of turd who happens to be my MP reads as follows:

Dear Mr Raab

Do you support vaccine passports?

Do you expect that those who do not wish to take an experimental vaccine will be excluded from society because they are unable to produce a vaccine passport?

Do you support the principle of informed patient consent for medical interventions?

Do you agree that preventing the unvaccinated to participate in society effectively forces people to accept medical interventions for which they have not given informed consent?

Would you have supported Dr Josef Mengele’s medical experiments performed on Jews in Auschwitz without their consent?

Regards

No reply as yet but will let you know if I get anything other than the usual guff about how the govt must do everything it can to control the very dangerous virus and protect the NHS bollox….

415108 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to p02099003, 4, #587 of 1646 🔗

So probably in form of an App.
I do not have a smart phone and have no intention to buy one, will they provide an alternative proof version?
Having dealt with crowds working in hospitality and concerts, the security staff will glance at your “proof” and not be able to tell if you have the authorised App or the spoof one. So what’s the point?
Only to reassure the sheep?

414938 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #588 of 1646 🔗

One thing is evident from today’s issue Jonathan Barr is pro vaccine.

414973 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #589 of 1646 🔗

So do the snake oils stop transmission, or bloody don’t they?

415936 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Annie, #590 of 1646 🔗

Or is it just intravenous lemsip?

414987 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #591 of 1646 🔗

Those who see this as government incompetence are more likely to see the vaccine as a way for the government to declare victory and end to this.

415374 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, #592 of 1646 🔗

Which is exactly the danger of the ‘incompetence’ route.

414993 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #593 of 1646 🔗

I never thought anything else.

415061 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #594 of 1646 🔗

As is Toby

414950 Banjones, 3, #595 of 1646 🔗

It was late when I posted it last night, so I think it’s worth sharing it again, for a bit of light relief! (From September 2020, but still current!)
Professor V’s advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSmqxm8eMnk&t=2s

414955 Daily Expose, replying to Daily Expose, 9, #596 of 1646 🔗

Here’s an analysis of the 2nd update the Government have released on adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines. It makes for grim reading.
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/14/think-the-oxford-jab-is-safe-adverse-reactions/

414959 ▶▶ Daily Expose, replying to Daily Expose, 1, #597 of 1646 🔗

Share it everywhere!

414978 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Daily Expose, 8, #598 of 1646 🔗

The vast majority of these reports are from first doses.In the limited testing the vaccines received,the second dose caused a lot more adverse reactions.
This is terrifying stuff.

415069 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #599 of 1646 🔗

i agree – that’s why i think the gov deliberately delayed the injection of the second dose. These will be coming up soonish and i hate to think of the effects on the vulnerable. But conversely if bad enough then surely the media cannot ignore.

415946 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to penelope pitstop, #600 of 1646 🔗

So, what do we do about this technohorror?

414957 Will, 26, #601 of 1646 🔗

Pleased to hear the CRG coming out, against vaccine passes within the UK. What other countries do we cannot control but no one should have to carry a card to prove their identity, leave alone their vaccine status, within the UK.

414963 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 28, #602 of 1646 🔗

You will be pleased to know that the long suffering covid Marshall has officially handed in his notice, myself and the Bro’s can’t wait to meet his replacement…

414981 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #603 of 1646 🔗

I wonder if he can complain of constructive dismissal.

Or perhaps he’s refused the vaccine.

414995 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 18, #604 of 1646 🔗

Myself and the Bro’s made sure it was destructive dismissal..

415001 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #605 of 1646 🔗

Maybe ask him to join you band of merry men.

415008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 16, #606 of 1646 🔗

Traitors are never welcome..

415054 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #607 of 1646 🔗

and another car to have an unfortunate tyre malfunction!!
Keep up the partisan activities – you’re an inspiration!

415152 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to penelope pitstop, 7, #608 of 1646 🔗

Wacky Races I remember that excellent program, the next Marshall is in the cross hairs..

415085 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #609 of 1646 🔗

Result! Hope there are still lots of bricks left.

414967 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 33, #610 of 1646 🔗

I may be at risk of turning from a sceptic into a cynic but I found today’s post quite ‘up’ to Jonathan Barr’s usual standards: Pro-vaccine and with swathes of links to fear-mongering MSM sites and a bit of ineffectual ranting from the likes of the CRG and Hitchens. (Hitchens rants well but he never goes near the real politics.) How does anyone expect 60-odd Tories voting against the Government to rob Lard-arse of ‘his’ majority when most of the Trilateral Commission’s place man’s party rarely, if ever, opposes the measures unless they are not draconian enough? We are talking 60-dd versus about 590 when it comes to a vote.

Also, it strikes AlanG and I that the Miami trip story may be a clever wind-up sent to LS to try and discredit us. (A LS bends the rules for a hedonistic, selfish beach holiday. etc.) As several posters have pointed out, the writer would never get into the US. Also wouldn’t he have to fork out a grand to be locked up for 10 days on his return? Even if Florida isn’t black-listed now, it could be added at any moment.

Someone else has pointed out that lock-downs are no longer the real story. I tend to agree, insupportable as they are. The population has terrorised into allowing them to become normalised and the Government tinkering is just theatre to keep us cowed. The real story is the control grid rapidly being imposed as we speak – vaccine and health passports, now to include children!

I’m inclined to hope that the panic and incompetence advocates are right. If the Govt really can’t run a piss-up in a brewery (and T&T was a cock-up) we may still have a window of opportunity to resist. The squaddies/cops will have to break the door down and forcibly inject us to get us to have either of these lethal injections. Sadly, we find that within our demographic (elderly, pensioned) we are increasingly the odd-ones out. Lots of friends have emailed us with the ‘good news’ that they’ve been ‘vaccinated’. All higher educated, all liberal-lefties, all utterly brainwashed and living in terror of their own mortality. It’s grim.

As Dr Brian Hooker said on Video #4 in the excellent Vaccines Revealed series https://vrevealed.com/covid/viewing/ ‘If you are offered these vaccines, run as hard as you can in the opposite direction!’ Quite so. MW

414977 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #611 of 1646 🔗

There are so many Anti-ScamPlandemic websites that are new to me, just like those you’ve linked.

What this website needs to do is link to other websites at the top of the page, as it is the central method of connecting to other sceptic platforms, especially for young people who don’t read much in the way long-form.

415207 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #612 of 1646 🔗

But that wouldn’t make the shills of this site any dosh. When the first article is some shit from sage you know they have been got at. Who give a flying fuck what sage say we know they are lying cunts.

414984 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #613 of 1646 🔗

60 plus mp’s is a great start. As soon as there is a Conservative leadership challenge, sooner or later Johnson is toast. It will also focus other minds who have been tossing it off, bought by the easy extra expenses opportunity.

The aim has to be getting these shutdown restrictions TOTALLY lifted. Fast seasonal drop will help but the message has to be set out what a total and absolute fail these shutdown’s have been.

Very important these Tory mp’s are making the case because at the end of it only they have the power to force change.

414992 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to nottingham69, 4, #614 of 1646 🔗

Yes but this group of MPs presents as pro-‘vaccine’. MW

415035 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #615 of 1646 🔗

So long as they promote personal choice in taking Billy’s poison jabs and stand against sanctions for not doing so I can accept that.

415268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to nottingham69, 3, #616 of 1646 🔗

I agree, it is choosing which battles to fight. Choice to have any vaccine and not being discriminated or stopped doing anything by not having it would be something I would willingly accept. In fact it is a return to old normal, we could choose if we had certain vaccines (for example flu) and no one got their knickers in a twist or stopped people from flying without one. You also did not have to carry any papers to prove vaccination.

I therefore see the vaccine situation in the same way as the other restrictions, they all need lifting straight away, not piece meal, whilst people are offered a vaccine to which they make the decision as to whether they accept it. A total return to normal and vaccination can run in parallel to eachother.

415012 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to nottingham69, 2, #617 of 1646 🔗

As soon as there is a Conservative leadership challenge …”

There won’t be as long as there is a risk of being tarred by the same ordure.

415656 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to nottingham69, 3, #618 of 1646 🔗

Yes, we have to get all these restrictions lifted but even if we manage to achieve that, we have to keep fighting to show how much of a disaster this has been and hold those responsible to account. If we allow them to get away with this, lockdowns will become normalised and we can expect this nightmare to happen whenever a new virus appears, maybe even in a bad flu season.

415097 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #619 of 1646 🔗

The “joy” over the vaccine will last only until they are hit by the side effects of the vaccine, which may be anything from 4-14months according to Dr Tenpenny. Since there are 36 C-viruses out there long before Covid-19 showed up, any of those can trigger the ADE or cytokine storm in them plus the various auto-immune diseases. But there is nothing you can do for them anymore, though it’s hard to watch people choose a path that likely will lead to pain and suffering. When the truth hits… it’ll be painful for many.

415308 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Pebbles, 7, #620 of 1646 🔗

Maybe I’m being ultra-cynical but I can’t help thinking that maybe this obsession with getting absolutely everyone vaccinated is to remove the control group in case this happens. If vaccinated people start dying off in large numbers and the unvaccinated do not, the shit is really going to hit the fan. If they can get almost everyone vaccinated this will be far harder to prove.

415379 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Chicot, 1, #621 of 1646 🔗

Hadn’t thought of that.

414997 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 14, #622 of 1646 🔗

Having absorbed news that medical experimentation is now being carried out on children and pregnant women I think this is normalisation again. These experiments will find everything is just fine and dandy so we can go ahead with total population injection.

415004 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #623 of 1646 🔗

That’s not what they’ll be used to discover. They’ll find no adverse reactions and so, to be safe, we should vaccinate every child. The efficacy side of the study will be interesting but I think they’ll largely just assume 95% from tbe previous one. The study will just have to show nobody died and we are good to go.

415007 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #624 of 1646 🔗

Last year when I wore my Randle McMurphy t shirt, I was scorned by many for overreacting. In fact, I was laughed at. My point was deadly serious and it is becoming ever more so with each new horrifying diktat by this maniacal government.

415015 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 11, #625 of 1646 🔗

Who the HELL offers up their child for experimentation? Money talks, does it?

414999 Basics, 2, #626 of 1646 🔗
415000 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 22, #627 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear, the boards have clearly rattled somone – just been alerted that they had ‘fallen down’ (in zero wind). Here’s an idea for those loving lockdown: you effing pay for it and leave those of us who want to work and live, to it.

Yet another one in yesterday saying “oh, I hope they don’t raise taxes to pay for this”. So, it’s OK for others to carry the can for this shitshow, but not them.

415036 ▶▶ l835, replying to kh1485, 12, #628 of 1646 🔗

The furloughed I have spoken to genuinely think they won’t have to pay it back.

415124 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 8, #629 of 1646 🔗

This made me laugh. Someone really thinks they will not raise tax to pay for this?
What lala land do they live in?

415002 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #630 of 1646 🔗

This morning the fraudster Grunt was on the TV saying the exact opposite of what the Pig Dictator and Ted said yesterday; and still the morons lap it up

415014 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Cecil B, 7, #631 of 1646 🔗

It’s deliberate to confusticate.

415020 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 40, #632 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been very patient with this site, but it seems to have become Lockdown Apologists rather than Lockdown Sceptics. I thought the whole point was that we believe that lockdowns are wrong. Full stop. Getting out of lockdown is neither here nor there. And the vaccine snake oil is nothing to do with the basic principle – indeed it’s a distraction from the point that there should never have been a lockdown in the first place.

415044 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to redbirdpete, 11, #633 of 1646 🔗

Sadly, I think the vaccine is a little more dangerous than snake oil, per se.

I don’t even read the articles on this site. I treat it as a forum.

415106 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #634 of 1646 🔗

I’ve joined ‘Gab’ just in case we’re disposed of.

415383 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #635 of 1646 🔗

We on this site have a pretty good idea of the depth of “government” lies and to have discussions and to learn of links to pertinent facts, ideas and interpretations that can be used to undermine the opposition is a helpful bonus.

I have watched how the comments (and commentators) have hardened over recent months as the oppression that has been facing us since day one has gradually been accepted as real by most people here. In contrast to the fake “government” “expert$”, Judy Mikovits, whose comments on Agenda 21 I have been following since before the C-19 Event unfolded, has been warning of the depopulation programme that is in progress: denial of HCQ/IVM treatments, seeding of care homes with hospital patients, some carrying C-19, DNR notices for over 60’s (over 45 in Scotland) and for people with learning disabilities who have fallen ill with C-19. Now we have a so-called mRNA “vaccine” undergoing human trials and which may be related to the one developed for Sars-Cov-1 and tested on ferrets and cats a few years ago.

415026 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 22, #636 of 1646 🔗

From OffGuardian – a useful list of points to circulate :

  1. the ‘virus’ has a blurry definition and has a survival rate of over 99% – no more deadly than some recent flu strains
  2. the PCR tests DON’T work and are a fraud.
  3. The reported ‘deaths’ are often people dying of other things and having ‘covid’ added to their CoD based on the test that doesn’t work or on financial incentive.
  4. The vaccine is NOT a vaccine. It’s experimental gene manipulation which will need decades of testing over generations before it can really be pronounced safe.
415053 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #637 of 1646 🔗

That’s a great article, but I hate the 99%

Survival is 99.8 %, and that’s using the exaggerated death figures .

It’s actually quite a big difference.

So please 99.8%

415100 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to rockoman, 7, #638 of 1646 🔗

Without fraudulent pcr and correct treatment survival rate is far closer to 100pct than 99.8

415155 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to merlin, 1, #639 of 1646 🔗

Let’s compromise 0.0001% chance of dying a few months earlier than expected.

415180 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, -11, #640 of 1646 🔗

Comments like this don’t help the anti-lockdown cause.

415073 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #641 of 1646 🔗

Be aware these points have been in circulation for months, they are all rebuttable without further clarification, and could lead to the opposite intended outcome.
1: The virus has been genetically mapped, but the availabe testing procedures cannot make the distinction between C19 and other Corona/SARS virus strains.
2: PCR tests do work, but they work inside of a prescribed testing framework and within strict testing parameters. They were never intended to be used on asymptomatic subjects, but a follow up to suspected symptoms. This is long and complex topic, and there is lots of info online.
3: It is clear from evidence that not all ‘C19 deaths’ have been caused by C19, but it is a minefield of conflicting info – so beware.
4: Some makes of vaccine ARE indeed traditional vaccines, some are NOT vaccines but gene therapy (the mRNA jabs). The UK regime has deliberately allowed this conflation to occur. As far as I am aware no one knows which particular jab (ie which treatment) they will be getting when they sign up, and the choice between traditional vaccination and gene therapy is not possible on the NHS.

415182 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #642 of 1646 🔗

I’ve now refused the Pfizer one and said call me when you have the Astra/Zeneca one. I’m interested to see if they do or whether I simply get put down as a refusenik. Of course, I didn’t say I’d actually have the AZ one either…

415274 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #643 of 1646 🔗

Presumably this degree of ‘choice’ was only available because you had prior knowledge of the issues involved or specifically asked about the vaxx types? Unfortunately most people don’t have this knowledge and will not ask.
And even if they did ask there is no guarantee of a correct or truthful answer.
Further, why hasn’t the government leafleted every household in advance with choices (as in Brexit), or are they running scared of legal action of having these down in writing when side effects start showing up?
This is a very dark chapter in UK history.

415265 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #644 of 1646 🔗

In the not so distant past there have been comments here that imply that the SARS -COV2 virus has not been isolated outside China and that the genetic coding essential to the mRNA and DNA vaccine development used information provided by China . If that is the case then how can the UK produced Novavax vaccine , based I thought on deactivated virus, be developed . Are they using virus extracted from UK victims of COVID ?

415294 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to mikewaite, #645 of 1646 🔗

This from Steve Hayes (above), which might be useful.. He apparently got it from the Novavax website.

‘NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells.’

415367 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #646 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for that . It seems I was wrong in thinking that novavax was :
a: british , in fact from a US company
b: a deactivated SARS virus , actually still an experimental material , albeit without RNA or DNA components .

415032 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 44, #647 of 1646 🔗

Well, sure is frosty in Birch Towers and it’s nothing to do with the weather! Nottingham has started jabbing over 65’s and my wife is deeply unimpressed that I have refused her offer of a joint booking at the local sports centre. A difficult week during which I have had the cold shoulder treatment in spades along with being called stupid, cowardly, selfish etc. She gets her first jab today. I respect her decision. All I ask is that she respects mine. Are mental cruelty and verbal insult grounds for divorce?

415038 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #648 of 1646 🔗

Yes. MW and AG

415042 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #649 of 1646 🔗

There is some upside to all this then! Thankyou.

415058 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Robin Birch, 13, #650 of 1646 🔗

Hi, BTW, we didn’t mean that to sound callous. You have our sympathies. We’ve both agreed that if one of us went like that we’d have to call it a day, while ‘respecting each other’s decision’.

Apologies but I can’t remember which American scientist it was but she said she had told her family that if anyone gets a jab and then gets sick she will not take care of them. I’m sure people might find this hard but we think she is right.

This would apply in your situation. If your wife is damaged from this injection do you want to become her carer because of such a wilful and unnecessary decision on her part? If you get sick for any reason would she blame you for your decision not to have the jab?

When trust fails, so does everything else. MW

415064 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #651 of 1646 🔗

A good relationship in my opinion is built upon individuals having differing opinions and respecting those differences. Sad Birch Towers is frosty today especially being Valentines Day. Being serious about it , the total castigation of anyone having a differing view about all of this scares me the most.

415156 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #652 of 1646 🔗

Since the Brexit poll strong polarisation of views seems to be the new norm – it is deeply worrying.

415221 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Robin Birch, 3, #653 of 1646 🔗

I actually think it was before brexit, previous elections and the Scottish Indie ref were so vitriolic, thanks to the MSM and social media it was only going to get worse.

415254 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #654 of 1646 🔗

Will not having a vaccine be grounds for divorce one day soon?

415256 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, #655 of 1646 🔗

Or a vaccine passport will need to be provided before marriage!

415120 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Robin Birch, 6, #656 of 1646 🔗

They call it the “unreasonable behaviour” under Divorce Law. Sounds extremely unreasonable. What happened to freedom of choice, bodily integrity etc.

415144 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Suzyv, 4, #657 of 1646 🔗

Exactly!

415391 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Suzyv, 7, #658 of 1646 🔗

Please allow me to contribute my philosophical take on this discussion! 🙂

I know many, shall we say ‘older’ couples who have been together for forty, fifty, sixty years and longer and it is almost always the case that they have morphed into one body, usually requiring one of the two to be fully compliant with the wishes of the other. I bet we have all heard statements like “ We don’t like apple sauce.” “ We don’t like watching tennis” “ We don’t like eating out” etc etc When you study such comments coming from the same couple over the years it is evident that somehow they have seamlessly evolved into one mind and one body. But is this likely?

They will often come out with the old cliche that they have “never argued in all the time [they’ve] been together”. Most people react by saying how sweet and rare that is. I say, no, it means that one of the two has never been allowed any say and I can guarantee (speaking from experience) that one of the partnership holds complete control over the other one and it only gets worse.

It isn’t natural not to argue or disagree over something. That is what individualism and freedom are about. As soon as that right is eroded, it is time to get out of a relationship and to live again. That is what I did four years ago after a relationship of 35 years when it dawned on me I wasn’t getting any younger but still had many constructive years ahead of me and was being ‘discouraged’ from doing all the things that I wanted to do. I’ve never looked back. I have heard on the grapevine that my ‘ex’ has had the jab so that would probably have caused friction between us as well if we’d still been together!

415129 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Robin Birch, 4, #659 of 1646 🔗

don’t worry, she’ll be dead by this time next year, and then you inherit all the matrimonial property- so I would hang inthere

415141 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #660 of 1646 🔗

I hope not but will hang on in there… thanks

415192 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Robin Birch, 2, #661 of 1646 🔗

I’m lucky, we are of the same mind and beliefs regarding the ‘vaccine’ so there is no disharmony in our house.

415151 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #662 of 1646 🔗

A little cold-blooded presumably there was/is affection between them. But you have a point.

415184 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Robin Birch, 5, #663 of 1646 🔗

Don’t let her coerce you into taking something you are against. Its free will or nothing! Mental cruelty is indeed grounds for divorce.

415201 ▶▶ rose, replying to Robin Birch, 7, #664 of 1646 🔗

I’ve had to tell my partner that I won’t be able to have unprotected sex if he has the vaccine as I don’t want to risk being infected by any Covid vax mutant genes

415204 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, #665 of 1646 🔗

Do you think that’s going too far?!!

415209 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to rose, 2, #666 of 1646 🔗

Absolutely not. Keep at it – or, rather, don’t keep at it iyswim …ahem….. But then I confess I’m someone that would now go “no holds barred” on dealing with a partner that thought they could make me take the vax too.

415206 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to rose, 2, #667 of 1646 🔗

LOL – and I do wonder if that’s a valid point actually.

415240 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to ElizaP, 3, #668 of 1646 🔗

A very valid point I think. The situation is surely analogous to the transfer of HIV during unprotected sex.
We should also consider the effect on the blood transfusion service if a donor has been vaccinated with gene therapy vaccines – again think of the AIDS problem, and also the fact that the US forbad blood donation from Brits during the BSE problem years because of the danger of transfer of vCJD prions.

415728 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to rose, #669 of 1646 🔗

Come and see me Rose, I’ll protect you!

415202 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #670 of 1646 🔗

My sympathies to you on this situation. Stay strong and hold out. I agree that I would also be contemplating whether I’d be prepared to nurse someone that got ill from having the Vax. At a practical level – I’m willing to be you probably hold the purse strings – given you’re a man and she’s a woman and you’re both retired. Betcha most of the pension income coming in is yours – and yep….I would be pointing that fact out in your position.

415034 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 14, #671 of 1646 🔗

Morning all.

I had read the article with the latest Charles Walker comments as well as the Mark Harper/CRG letter late last night. My thoughts, in light of varying comments and snippets from news, is I am worried it is not enough. I think the PM is thinking he can get away with offering both the 1922 and the CRG a few crumbs to keep them happy.

The reporting of vaccinations = no restrictions worries me, I read that as unless you have the vaccine you will still be restricted, have the CRG/1922 been taken in?

In other news, Bliar is trying to implement his failed pet schemes when he was PM and using rona as a trojan horse, the “left” are happily riding along on the horse to instigate their policies without actually being in power or elected.

I have real concerns this morning reading about new born baby vaccines, will this lead to babies not be allowed to leave hospital unless vaccinated? There are other times this has happened with other tests.

Shapps is pushing back against the 1922/Charles Walker comments this morning, is he taking on the 1922?

415059 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #672 of 1646 🔗

“I think the PM is thinking he can get away with offering both the 1922 and the CRG a few crumbs to keep them happy.”

He can.

415068 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bugle, 9, #673 of 1646 🔗

He thinks he can maybe, but the 1922 is the only group who can actually bring him down, even the PM knows this. Graham Brady and Charles Walker have been very vocal about their opposition to what is going on, the PM, and Shapps this morning, not taking them seriously is a poor decision, of course they are the Chair and Vice Chair so do have quite a say.

415081 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cumbriacracked, 7, #674 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been advocating that the 1922 bring down the PM for months on various sites. I don’t think they have the balls for it.

415089 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bugle, 12, #675 of 1646 🔗

I agree about the 1922, Graham Brady is shrewd I do not think he will move unless he knows the numbers to win the no confidence are in his favour. I believe there are more than the 55 letters already sitting with him and it is that which is being used as leverage against the PM.

415137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #676 of 1646 🔗

Dum spiro spero.

415203 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bugle, 2, #677 of 1646 🔗

I hope so too, the 1922 is our only hope, going all Star Wars there!

415176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bugle, 2, #678 of 1646 🔗

I’ve just emailed him and copied in my MP asking if he is intending to stop what appears to be a Coup by the government.

415213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #679 of 1646 🔗

Graham Brady is not my MP but I have been emailing him for many months, along with Charles Walker, Desmond Swayne and Mark Harper. I am sure they are sent many similar emails, Graham Brady and Charles Walker have both stated that they have. What was interesting on listening to the Cambridge Union debate where Graham spoke, some of the words he used were similar to emails I have sent. Not saying it was my email he used but more he is obviously reading them.

The one thing I am pretty sure the PM would never want is to lose a no confidence vote, he will jump before pushed.

415062 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #680 of 1646 🔗

You are right to be sceptical.

415075 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 15, #681 of 1646 🔗

If Shapps tries to take on the 1922 he’s more stupid than he looks. From the publicly released documents I agree they don’t go far enough – however there will be lots going on behind the scenes not for public consumption. I believe Sir Charles Walker and probably Sir Desmond Swayne, & others, are being significantly more forceful. It’s my guess this was the reason for the vulgar attacks recently on Swayne recently, which were more akin to bullying than reasoned discussion.

415086 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 8, #682 of 1646 🔗

I think Shapps is more stupid than he looks (proven by his comments that Australia could implement a full closed border lockdown unlike the UK, because they are an island!) and is the voice of Wancock and his cohorts thinking they can silence the 1922. Desmond Swayne is not a member of the 1922 so that was why he was attacked rather than Charles Walker in my opinion.

415114 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 6, #683 of 1646 🔗

which were more akin to bullying

‘Shapps spent time at his parliamentary offices improving his own Wikipedia entry, while highlighting the faults of his colleagues. On 28 November 2015, he stood down from his ministerial position due to allegations of bullying within the Conservative Party. After supporting Boris Johnson’s 2019 Conservative leadership bid, Prime Minister Johnson appointed Shapps as Transport Secretary. ‘ Wiki.
Low life.

415088 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #684 of 1646 🔗

Should really be receiving cross party support for this rather than only looking to the Tory party for the answers.

415142 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom Blackburn, #685 of 1646 🔗

It never will the other parties are using this as a way to gain power, never let a good crisis go to waste.

415370 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cumbriacracked, #686 of 1646 🔗

The other parties have had the chance to bring down the govt on more than one occasion. They chose not to use it.

415037 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 19, #687 of 1646 🔗

Johnson was always going to bring some sort of vaccine passport in.
I think when travelling abroad you will have no say in the matter. The country you are visiting will decide.
Here i believe they will bring them in through the back door by saying to sports venues you can have people in but they will need to show the proof.
Big problem ehthnic population.Discrimination!

415196 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Dartford44, 6, #688 of 1646 🔗

Now got visions of a whole crowd of football supporters, for instance, being denied access to the game they’ve decided to go to on the excuse they’ve not been vaxxed. I think (and hope!) that they’d just barge their way into the ground anyway.

415039 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 24, #689 of 1646 🔗

One minister said: “The PM does not want any celebration, very much business as usual, I will not rest until the whole country is vaccinated .”

Does that sound like we get a choice? Every part of that statement above registers as dictatorship but the part bolded is of particular concern.

415102 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to J4mes, 5, #690 of 1646 🔗

Of course we have a choice and we can make it too.

415119 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #691 of 1646 🔗

Depends on how far this vaccine passport goes. Government will probably incentivise/pressurise surviving small businesses to use systems that require the passport for us to use their services, much like the track and trace bollocks.

415166 ▶▶▶▶ houdini, replying to J4mes, 4, #692 of 1646 🔗

That didn’t work though so I can’t see this will either.

415222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to houdini, 2, #693 of 1646 🔗

It won’t work long term you’ll see . It’s bollocks and being talked about / put in place to make you fold for the Jab

415218 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to J4mes, 2, #694 of 1646 🔗

Fuck the Fat Fuck of course we have a choice .

415251 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to J4mes, 1, #695 of 1646 🔗

Don’t be concerned – just make sure the cnut never gets any rest!

415043 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 21, #696 of 1646 🔗

I believe that Blair/Gates is behind all of this, convincing other countries that we all need a Vax passport to control everything, not just travel. He did the same with his wars and with his Open Borders. The Blairites are being brainwashed by him, as usual. He is a pox on our country

415051 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 5, #697 of 1646 🔗

Repeating myself again but this was all decided by the EU in 2018, the documents have been posted on here.

415056 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #698 of 1646 🔗

So they aren’t ignoring all EU legislation?

415076 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, #699 of 1646 🔗

Who knows, it is interesting these pdf files were published in 2018 with a 2021/2022 date as to the start.

415049 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 55, #700 of 1646 🔗

One minister said: “The PM does not want any celebration, very much business as usual, I will not rest until the whole country is vaccinated.”

Well, since I’m not going to be vaccinated then I guess we’re never leaving lockdown. Sorry folks I have a tendency to spoil things when everything is going well

415055 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to CrazyHoarse, 15, #701 of 1646 🔗

And me

415071 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #702 of 1646 🔗

Ha, great minds think alike, I hadn’t read your post either

415109 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to CrazyHoarse, #703 of 1646 🔗

Think Freddy was agreeing with you?

415167 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #704 of 1646 🔗

And me and the Mrs

415066 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to CrazyHoarse, #705 of 1646 🔗

Did you just pinch my quotation for your own post?

415070 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to J4mes, #706 of 1646 🔗

Ha, great minds think alike, I hadn’t read your post

415107 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #707 of 1646 🔗

I won’t begrudge being told I have a great mind, so I’ll let you off 😉

415079 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CrazyHoarse, 11, #708 of 1646 🔗

See you in the gulag re-education camp then for those of us with low social credit scores.

415143 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #709 of 1646 🔗

We’ll share the blame.

415171 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #710 of 1646 🔗

I’m in with you

415187 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CrazyHoarse, 5, #711 of 1646 🔗

LOL – I guess it’s part of the way so many are busily trying to “assume” others into having the vax. Usually seems to apply when it comes to all those doctors surgeries etc that ring up people and TELL them their appointment will be such-and-such time (ie rather than asking them if they wish to come for it). There must be some instruction out somewhere to all involved that they must use the “assume of course they’ll have it” type tactics – as a way to pressurise people.

416143 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to CrazyHoarse, #712 of 1646 🔗

and me

415052 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 31, #713 of 1646 🔗

I’ve put in the complaints to the ASA about the Government’s misleading radio adverts.

Only allowed 500 characters so had to be done in 2 parts:

1 – saying MHRA approved is misleading as it is still unlicensed, just has emergency use approval not full approval as the advert makes listeners think it has, saying it’s “safe” is wrong, no safety study results until 2023 at the earliest, unapproved and never before used ingredients

2 – cannot be called a vaccine by definition

I know nothing will happen but they are logged for any trials or inquiries that happen in the future.

415057 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #714 of 1646 🔗

Me too.

415077 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #715 of 1646 🔗

Saying it is approved is not misleading, it’s a lie. Have you seen Del Bigtree’s challenge to the NY Health Department for almost exactly the same thing?

https://thehighwire.com/videos/ican-fact-checks-ny-state-health-department/

They had to modify it! MW

415063 ThomasPelham, replying to ThomasPelham, 9, #716 of 1646 🔗

The lower the estimation of Asymptomatic cases (and to be honest, I think it’s likely higher than 5%, ONS were finding much higher numbers!) the lower the justification for lockdown; if it’s really the case that 95% of people are symptomatic, the idea that asymptomatic transmisison is driving case numbers becomes more and more absurd. Train people on the symptoms, and make it attractive/possible to iscolate! i.e., normal old fashioned quarentine.

Lets be clear; lockdown is literally justified only by major asymptomatic tranmission vectors.

415154 ▶▶ leggy, replying to ThomasPelham, 7, #717 of 1646 🔗

Let’s be clear. Lockdown is never justified in society.

415067 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 21, #718 of 1646 🔗

Seen on the front page of The Sunday Times:

Vaccine trials for children hopes of a ‘jab for life’

So we’re moving from lockdown until the most vulnerable are vaccinated to vaccinating those least vulnerable. What could possibly go wrong?

Trials of coronavirus vaccines for children as young as five are set to begin within days

Trials on children as young as five. As young as five. FIVE. Children can’t give their consent to medical experimentation so where are the drug companies going to find the psychopath parents who are going to volunteer their own children for medical experiments?

415082 ▶▶ l835, replying to CrazyHoarse, 4, #719 of 1646 🔗

“Jab for life” as in one jab to last your life, or the need to be jabbed for the rest of your life?

415090 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to l835, 8, #720 of 1646 🔗

Jabbed every week until the end of your life.

415096 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to l835, 2, #721 of 1646 🔗

It’ll be new-borns before long – we’ve got to jab your baby as he’s crowning because in 2021 no babies are being born with immune systems

415346 ▶▶▶▶ classic_ingenue, replying to CrazyHoarse, #722 of 1646 🔗

There was a nurse on the news the other night (US) who was pregnant and taking the vaccine on camera to “prove” it wasn’t dangerous. Terrifying.

415288 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #723 of 1646 🔗

There is one I’ve read about being developed for newborns as well.

415084 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #724 of 1646 🔗

I do not wish any experimental covid ‘vaccine’ for all the reasons that have been pointed out already by many in here – and I have a perfectly healthy immune system armed with copious vit D.

But – if I wish to go and visit countries that demand visitors have been vaccinated then I will need proof of vaccination.

Is the nasal spray vaccine (currently in human trials) a safer and/or the safest and/or the least risky traditional type vaccine for those of us who may wish to travel?

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/news/scientists-developing-covid-19-vaccine-nasal-spray-1

415094 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 16, #725 of 1646 🔗

Until there is absolute proof no harm is being caused to the general population I don’t think anyone should be rushing in to try untested medicines. I understand your eagerness to travel, I am too, but the saying “Less haste more speed” springs to mind.

415103 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #726 of 1646 🔗

There can never be ‘absolute proof’.

But we should expect sufficient test results to establish the level of risk.

That cannot be provided in none months.

415118 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bella Donna, -1, #727 of 1646 🔗

well I intend to travel regularly to visit family n friends – so its about risk management – this nasal spray has been tested on animals and is currently in human trials – so I’m after the best worst option – hence the original question.

if i wasn’t intending to travel abroad I wouldn’t be asking the question – does anyone actually have any knowledge of this particular vaccine?

415127 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #728 of 1646 🔗

Anyone thinking that you’ll get into many European countries or the States with out vaccine proof is unfortunately delusional

415126 ▶▶ alw, replying to Major Panic, 11, #729 of 1646 🔗

And I think countries will find it difficult to enforce vaccine passports. Look at Europe which has no borders. You can travel from one country to another without being stopped. I don’t think they will put up border posts to check and I can’t see businesses saying we won’t serve you unless you have got a vaccine certificate/passport. It is not for them to act as police for the state. All this nonsense just to ensure take up of vaccine which I am sure it’s not as good as they are saying.

415132 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to alw, 3, #730 of 1646 🔗

yes – but coming from the UK we have to cross a passport check border to enter the free movement zone of EU – so that doesn’t help much

415134 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 4, #731 of 1646 🔗

There is no such thing as a 100% safe drug! Anything the producer wishes to be unaccountable from its adverse consequences has to be untrusted. I wouldn’t poison my body with it.

415139 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anti_socialist, -1, #732 of 1646 🔗

the question did not mention 100% safe drug, but thanks for your answer

415195 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 1, #733 of 1646 🔗

So there’s your answer there’s a risk & they won’t ever give you the full facts or the level of risk. And there will be no accountability if you’re one of the unlucky ones.

415150 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, -1, #734 of 1646 🔗

This isn’t fucking complicated – I know all about the dangers of the experimental ‘vaccine’ – But the very simple fact is – IF a country that contains my friends/family – that I wish to visit – demands proof of vaccine then what is the LEAST DANGEROUS option other than not traveling there – if you don’t know then you don’t need to say.

415175 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #735 of 1646 🔗

LOL – and one of the phantom sad cunts has ‘down voted’ a perfectly reasonable and practical question

415183 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, 1, #736 of 1646 🔗

The BHF has a good writeup on all ‘vaccines’ in development.
Prof. Clancy from Newcastle (NSW) Uni also did a good review in conjunction with arguing for alternatives too.
From those two articles and for me as a layman, the Novavax one seems to be the best AND safest option if one was coerced into taking one.

415191 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to JayBee, 2, #737 of 1646 🔗

Yes I think the novovax one is the old fashioned types not gene therapy

415215 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to rose, 2, #738 of 1646 🔗

According to Novavax

NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells.

415280 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Hayes, #739 of 1646 🔗
415330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, #740 of 1646 🔗

The link takes me to the university’s home page.

415312 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Major Panic, 2, #741 of 1646 🔗

I am being put under pressure by my family to have the vaccination, even though I’ve been working in an Urgent care centre throughout.

415136 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #743 of 1646 🔗

This is the one and only Jolyon Maugham, he of clubbing the fox to death fame, of the Good Law Project using other people’s money to
pursue his personal agenda. Wouldn’t go near with a barge pole.

415194 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bella Donna, #744 of 1646 🔗

The courts are bent so not much point

415101 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 48, #745 of 1646 🔗

Good news. Just heard from one of my customers that some bench-sitters have told the police (who were telling them off from their car!) to go ‘do one’.

415116 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 43, #746 of 1646 🔗

Even better news, it was one of our new sceptics customers who is an ex copper.

415147 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 20, #747 of 1646 🔗

Brilliant….one of my clients is an ex copper and he says we now live in a police state lol.

415164 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #748 of 1646 🔗

Sadly, I can’t post the video as it’s too large.

415249 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #749 of 1646 🔗

Wahey, brilliant, first of many I hope. Keep us posted!

415105 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #750 of 1646 🔗

Can anyone explain this. Van Tam said a couple of days back “Perfectly possible’ coronavirus vaccine licensed for children by end of year”.
How is that possible when the Oxford trial, which starts late February has a timescale of twelve months – see their doc here https://covid19vaccinetrial.web.ox.ac.uk/cov006-oxford

Seems they are planning to license it before the trial is completed – er, just like last time.

415157 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #751 of 1646 🔗

It’s not even licensed for adults. I don’t see how it correctly could be until all safety data is in which will take years.

415163 ▶▶ merlin, replying to godowneasy, 10, #752 of 1646 🔗

Pure evil

415112 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #753 of 1646 🔗

I wonder what future historians will call this hysteria, I’d like to think something like the Great Mass Stupidity.

415117 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #754 of 1646 🔗

At the popular, mass level – yes.

415122 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #755 of 1646 🔗

A previous case of collective madness is referred to as Tulipomania. So perhaps Coronavirusmania.

415148 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #756 of 1646 🔗

The Awokening

415232 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #757 of 1646 🔗

If we lose they will call it Year Zero.

We mustn’t presume this will right itself.

We must FIGHT MASS HUMAN, INCLUDING CHILD, EXPERIMENTATION:

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

This ends when these criminals are on Trial at the Second Nuremberg.

415247 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #758 of 1646 🔗

The Great Insanity.

416043 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, #759 of 1646 🔗

My favourite too. Echoes of this mad tale of state subsidised (USA) musical theatre. https://freebeacon.com/issues/the-show-wont-go-on/

415121 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #760 of 1646 🔗

Satan Blair in full purple tie regalia on his execrable piece in the Mail. They really are just rubbing our faces in it aren’t they?

415158 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #761 of 1646 🔗

No one more toxic to their cause than Blair so I take that as good news .

415185 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #762 of 1646 🔗

I know I’m missing something about the purple, what’s that about?

415223 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #763 of 1646 🔗

For some reason it seems to be de rigeur among all the globalist whack jobs, Blair, the Clintons, all of them. The colour features heavily in WEF imagery too.

415230 ▶▶▶ boxclever, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #764 of 1646 🔗

Apparently,the favoured colour of satanists.

415246 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #765 of 1646 🔗

It’s the colour or royalty, they all think they are.

415364 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #766 of 1646 🔗

Imperial Purple I guess.

415722 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Starlin, #767 of 1646 🔗

Rubbing the faces of Mail readers in it, maybe …

415123 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 37, #768 of 1646 🔗

So thinking aloud, let me run this by ya’ll. If I was an alcoholic, and every day I was getting shit faced and this was affecting my job, my married life and my health. What would happen. Well my doctor would sit me down, with my family and would explain the risk to me. He would use science to explain the damage I had already done to my body and the future damage I would be causing and how I was killing myself. He would suggest how I could get help from the AA and give me a number to call if I was struggling. He would then attempt to find out what was the underlying cause to my drinking and perhaps suggest seeking some help in that direction. All good practice right to save my life. And totally my choice.

But here’s what he would NOT do. He would not lock me in my house to stop me going out. He would not take away my car keys give my registration to the police and tell them to arrest me if I went out. He would not put an app on my phone that would not only bleep if I left the house and alert the police but also set off an alarm if I went into a pub. He would also not inject with with a experimental drug that would change my DNA to hate and reject alcohol. Then finally he would close my majestic wine account and have my neighbours tell if there is any booze in my Tesco delivery. If I did buy booze I would get up to 10 years in prison. Welcome to 2021.

415138 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #769 of 1646 🔗

Mind you, Professor Calculus gave Captain Haddock an experimental drug for exactly this reason. I always hated him.

415125 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 16, #770 of 1646 🔗

Owen Jones, a grubby little fascist cunt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffpiV1NNUEA

415130 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FedupofLies, 15, #771 of 1646 🔗

He has a nasty side to him too.

415135 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #772 of 1646 🔗

All identity-politics-totalitarians are soft-shoed FASCISTS.

415145 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #773 of 1646 🔗

Another fucker for the noose

415326 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #774 of 1646 🔗

I had to actually laugh at Owen Jones when he got out his BBC “Bluepeter graph of doom” to show Hitchens that he was right about an earlier and harder lockdown.

He didn’t even realise what a twat he looked using that data to prop up his main argument. An utter tool.

415131 mattghg, 4, #775 of 1646 🔗

‘Explosion’ of children with tics and Tourette’s from lockdown

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/13/explosion-children-tics-tourettes-lockdown

415133 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 36, #776 of 1646 🔗

Time was I used to spend a good half hour reading the articles on Lockdown Sceptics. These days I usually skip through them in 2-3 minutes before heading for the comments.

I wonder if Toby has ever considered letting one of us be guest editor of LS for a day. If he reads this, might I suggest Poppy whose posts are very well written, thoughtful and occasionally very hard hitting. Just a thought.

415140 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Biggles, 13, #777 of 1646 🔗

I am the same…barely bother with ATL now.

415168 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Biggles, 13, #778 of 1646 🔗

Very flattered at your comment! However I feel so strongly about lockdown that my editorial would be similarly strongly-worded and I’m sure it’d get cancelled/smeared by zealots as a result. Not that being cancelled bothers me personally but I wouldn’t want this site and therefore this comments section to get shut down.

415289 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Poppy, #779 of 1646 🔗

Nothing wrong with strong or colourful language when needed. And with what we’re going through, it is.

415683 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Poppy, 1, #780 of 1646 🔗

I wish more of my university students could write like you do! I’m constantly having to teach remedial English rather than Politics. Recently I had to tell them how to use paragraphs in their essays (so I could read them more easily). A more important point was getting them to make a clear argument and to be confident about it, which means never using the word ‘arguably’, something that undermines your argument!

Time for early retirement, I fear….

415244 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biggles, 9, #781 of 1646 🔗

I know how you feel, but it must be very difficult to counter the same lies, and enunciate the same truths, in a suitably arresting way, day after day after day.
Personally I’d rather get the news from here than from the filthy zombified MSM. I don’t expect brilliance ATL. Just trawling for notable articles, particularly sceptical ones, must be one hell of a job.

415271 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Annie, 4, #782 of 1646 🔗

Yes, it must be difficult these days. I write a monthly report for a car club magazine and have to do 1000 words which is not easy when we can’t do anything. Have been trying to take the piss out of the lockdown situation but the last one I did had been quite heavily censored by the time it reached the magazine. Maybe I should get on to Toby and the FSU!

415422 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Biggles, 2, #783 of 1646 🔗

Do petrol fumes protect against Covid?

415153 lorrinet, replying to lorrinet, 24, #784 of 1646 🔗

I’ve had covid and under no circumstances will I submit to a vaccine which I neither want or need. I don’t care if I can’t travel abroad, but what does worry me is if this vaccine passport is extended to include elective surgical procedures. I’ve had two operations cancelled, or postponed, because of ‘pressure on the NHS’, and I’m scared that in the future any surgery will depend on vaccine compliance.

415177 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to lorrinet, 3, #785 of 1646 🔗

Sadly a good point that may come true.

415328 ▶▶ CGL, replying to lorrinet, 1, #786 of 1646 🔗

Someone I am in touch with mentioned vax for shops too.
So we’ll starve too now

415497 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to CGL, 1, #787 of 1646 🔗

Grab an allotment while you still can …

415534 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to lorrinet, 2, #788 of 1646 🔗

All of this would need to depend on the vaccine actually being safe and prevent you from infecting others, neither of which is proven. The fact that they are even trying this bullshit on shows how desperate they are to get their agenda on high-speed track, because they know they have a small window themselves… why do you think they are coming at us so thick and fast at a time in winter when people are most depressed and low in energy as it is..!? Because they know our energy and spirit will fire back up in a matter of weeks. Do not entertain such a nonsense ever that they even have a chance.

415159 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 17, #789 of 1646 🔗

So the whole pseudo-epidemic is based on 1 in 3 asymptomatic individuals transmitting disease. That is a whole load of Typhoid Marys.

The Chinese conducted a large scale investigation to see what the asymptomatic infection rate might actually be. They looked at 10 million indivudals in a dense urban setting looking for plausibe instances of asymptomatic infection. They concluded that asymptomatic infection was plausible (but not proven) in about 3 in 10,000 indivduals. The UK says about 3 in 10 individuals. That is an error factor of *1000, right up there in Feargoeson range of predictions. More ‘facts fixed around the policy’?

I would be surprised if asymptomatic transmission was more common than 3 in 100,000 individuals.

415197 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ken Garoo, 4, #790 of 1646 🔗

And according to the ONS Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey: characteristics of people testing positive for COVID-19, countries of the UK, 9 February 2021 , only 47% of people in England who tested the most strongly positive (and strong positive means Ct threshold below 30, compared with a median Ct threshold of 31.9) had any symptoms within 35 days of a positive test.

So our deadly transmissible virus is so deadly that most people who encounter it don’t have any symptoms at all, and so transmissible that most people don’t transmit it.

415162 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 39, #791 of 1646 🔗

A government that was concerned to promote public health would have a number of policy priorities:

  • promoting heathy diet;
  • encouraging exercise;
  • social isolation reduction;
  • poverty reduction;

The government, in the name of public health, has adopted policies that inevitably exacerbate poverty, increase the extent and severity of social isolation, discourage exercise, and makes choosing to eat a heathy diet even more difficult.

415169 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 31, #792 of 1646 🔗

Makes me laugh when these supermarkets bang on about keeping us all ‘safe’. If they really gave a monkeys about people’s health, they wouldn’t sell half the crap they do.

415178 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 7, #793 of 1646 🔗

Exactly discounts on crisps,pot noodles, and all the general garbage.. Supermarket’s are all about profit fuck health..

415219 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 2, #794 of 1646 🔗

Is Gates working on that?

415372 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to DanClarke, 1, #795 of 1646 🔗

Yep – only genetically engineered sludge will be available in the not so distant future

415282 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to kh1485, 9, #796 of 1646 🔗

I hate those reassuring announcements…….”Here at Aldi your wellbeing and that of our staff is, and always has been our number one priority”. Err no it hasn’t. Making a profit has been!

415624 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #797 of 1646 🔗

I hate them too and particularly the sickly sweet voices. Do some people really speak like that.

415387 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 1, #798 of 1646 🔗

exactly – if you were to count the shelf space allocated to crap foods it would exceed the healthier foods at least twice. Although I’m not in favour of a nanny state I would support zero vat on fruit and veg, maybe british grown, and perhaps increase on crisps/sweets which are ridiculously cheap – but not increase wine! 🙂

415172 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #799 of 1646 🔗

I want a government that minds its own fucking business! Only concerning itself with a health service fit for purpose.

415174 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #800 of 1646 🔗

The simple answer is that the government is not working for the well-being of its people. Maybe it never was, but now it is undeniable.

415173 BJs Brain is Missing, 22, #801 of 1646 🔗

It is my view that this country no longer has a National Government, working on behalf of, and representing the people of the United Kingdom i.e. a democracy.

I think what we really have is something more akin to a Globalist Province. Funded and directed by a unelected technocratic cabal. Think Gates and co.

I did not ask for this. I do not consent to this. I will not comply with their edicts.

From now on I will bypass their Communistic ‘legal’ system and will act under this country’s Common Law heritage.

415181 richmond, replying to richmond, 54, #802 of 1646 🔗

How do people cope with their family and friends being so stupid? How did I end up with such stupid friends anyway? As for my family, I’m not sure what that implies.

We’re being asked to accept an injection from companies that have in the past been fined literally billions for malpractice, on the authority of politicians who have done nothing but lie to us and bully us for the last year, to protect us against a virus that is evidently not dangerous to most of us.

Either I get blanked or I get rubbish about how clever the vaccine people are. I can’t stand it. And my neighbours are the same. I’m sure it’s not just me. How are people coping with this?

415205 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to richmond, 10, #803 of 1646 🔗

Same here. How do people cope with their family and friends being so stupid?”
To avoid losing all contact I end up talking about the weather or something else trivial. The alternative seems to be to end up talking to nobody apart from my wife.

415243 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to godowneasy, 4, #804 of 1646 🔗

#Me too- except in my case the alternative would be talking to nobody at all.

415258 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #805 of 1646 🔗

That’s it. I have one sensible friend. We talk from time to time.

415216 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to richmond, 7, #806 of 1646 🔗

I’ve given up, friend today said after her 2nd jab in April she laughing, will be ‘turbo boosted’, its a joke to them, most are air heads. Me on my island they are on their’s.

415260 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #808 of 1646 🔗

Excellent!

415476 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to DanClarke, 1, #809 of 1646 🔗

Maybe as in “hit by a truck” – she will at least count as a C19 death – that should please her

415241 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to richmond, 11, #810 of 1646 🔗

I’m not coping with my friends and how brainwashed they are, they can’t wait to roll their sleeves up for the vaccine. I’m only in my early forties and the majority of my friends are yet they still want to be protected and the reason is because they want to see their families again and think being vaccinated will help them to be reunited gain.

I try and ignore the talk of CV with him my friends, in fact I don’t really speak to them anymore. I have in the past tried to discuss it with them but they just don’t listen so I’ve given up.

I don’t know what the answer is I’m afraid maybe find new friends as I think that is what I’ll have to do.

415368 ▶▶ CGL, replying to richmond, 5, #811 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think I am coping tbh
You can try finding new friends that you actually have something in common with. Not sure about the family though – can you get adopted?

415705 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richmond, 2, #812 of 1646 🔗

Not just you, Richmond.

My responses vary between blowing a kiss, smiling, suggesting someone fucks off, offering a fact-based leaflet, or talking about the weather/sport, depending on who it is.

A very important way of coping is, by hook or by crook, meeting up with like-minded people. One meet-up can give strength to cope with a 100 morons.

415978 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JohnB, 1, #813 of 1646 🔗

Yep. I suggest local pub meet ups when they are open again. Be nice to put faces to names on a screen.

415993 ▶▶ richmond, replying to richmond, #814 of 1646 🔗

Many thanks to all of you who replied. It helps!

415186 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 25, #815 of 1646 🔗

I still read The Times in an attempt to understand what the ATL masses are consuming, and thus be forearmed when engaging with such people in day to day life. Today’s edition is particularly awful, I just can’t even begin to tell you. A selection of headline news stories:

“Back to school in 3 weeks” : A depressing article, with lots of talk of tiers and masking and stupid rules for months to come. But this one sentence really captured the absurdity of the whole stupid fiasco, how can you read that and not think we’ve lost our f’ing minds:
”Adults will be allowed to sit down outdoors for a coffee or on a park bench with one friend, or with members of their own family – a slight relaxation of the current rule, which permits outdoor meetings only whilst standing up.”
I can just envisage the BBC Q&A session – I don’t drink coffee, is it OK to bring tea instead? If the ground is wet, can I bring something to sit on? There are no benches in my nearby outdoor spaces, what should I do? Wait, does that mean I’m allowed to have sex at the moment as long as it’s outside and standing up?

“Vaccine trials for children raise hope of a ‘jab for life’” : an article of which the only possible explanation for not raising the moral and ethical implications of child experimentation is that it must have been sponsored by AZ.

”The lifetime immunity dream of our vaccine stars” : more guff sponsored by Pfizer and AZ this time.

”Ministers lean towards vaccine passports” : more subliminal massaging of people’s expectations of what their future world will look like.

”There are 15m reasons to be thankful today, but we need to keep injecting” : yet more big Pharma sponsored guff.

“Charles joins campaign to overcome minorities’ mistrust of Covid jabs”: Yes that’s right, privileged white member of the elite ruling classes can convince ethnic minorities against all this anti-vax nonsense.

So having survived all that in the main news section, I thought I might find some light relief in news review. But no. I was faced with the most heinous of all articles, a light bio of one Kneel O’Brainless MP, written by someone who backed into the interview bent over with Vaseline pre-applied:
”The Tory MP taking on the Covid sceptics, tweet by toxic tweet”
In fact on closer inspection I’m wondering if it was written by MH, since it makes use of the sneering term “the so-called GBD” as used by him in parliament the one time he addressed its existence.

Rod Liddle was the lone sceptical voice in this sea of Covid crap. I wonder why he bothers.

415225 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #816 of 1646 🔗

Great post

415229 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #817 of 1646 🔗

I feel like they are playing mind games with us;
We’re playing those mind games together
Pushing the barrier, planting seed
Playing the mind guerilla
Chanting the mantra, “peace on Earth”
We all been playing those mind games forever

Various news reports about vaccine passports needed before you can go to the toilet or some such nonsense, they are clearly worried that the next groups due for the dodgy jungle juice may not be quite so keen or enthusiastic.
With an extremely weak P.M. every Tom, Dick and Harry is throwing yet more nonsense into the drivel heap that is the UK’s approach to this nonsense, meanwhile the virus itself appears to be going into remission.
OK, I have been drinking home made Elderberry wine, which is probably about the best you can do in the circumstances, cheers.

415309 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #818 of 1646 🔗

I just ordered an extra strong traditional bitter and an Australian larger brew kit 4KG of brewing sugar and 200 more bottle caps.

Cheers!

To be honest paying £4.95 for a pint in a socially distanced, tracked’n’traced, plastic screened, masked up PPE hell hole of a pub full of covidians really doesn’t appeal to me.

415673 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Two-Six, 1, #819 of 1646 🔗

Exactly! I couldn’t put it better myself. Having a taste of the ‘new normal’ pub experience last summer put me right off. I won’t bother again unless the ‘old normal’ (the real normal) is restored. Same with travel. Fuck ’em!

415329 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #820 of 1646 🔗

I keep posting details of the 2011 pandemic prep plan-agst masking, mass testing, quarantining the well + the seasonality ommission to the NO’B Twiter a/c. Perhaps everyone should pile in?

415405 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #821 of 1646 🔗

In the article they try to imply he’s “a scientist at heart” based on just one term at Med School before transferring to PPE (obvs couldn’t hack it). It’s sickening to me that people like Craig and Yeadon could be compared in the same ballpark as this weasel.

415189 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 34, #822 of 1646 🔗

I was round at a friends last night and we got onto the C word. I was explaining salami slicing with conspiracy theory ie that the end objective will slowly be achieved by small steps and that the end objective would initially be totally unacceptable, but will become acceptable once the salami has been sliced.

I gave an example how we are becoming cashless and there could come a time when to go into a supermarket you’ll need your “vaccine” passport, which could be linked to credit/debit cards. So we initially had physical cash, now we have cashless, next will be no “vaccine” papers no entry to an establishment. If you buy say 2 bottles of wine this will raise questions as to your health (you are damaging yourself and a potential burden on the NHS). So if you want that 2nd bottle of wine it’ll cost you considerably more than the first bottle.

Then if you are having the wine for a diner party, who will be attending and if somebody who the establishment disapprove of, it’ll affect your “social credit” score. (Social credits are already present in China and you cannot travel unless you have a high enough social credits score).

This is all conspiracy theory, but today they are saying you won’t be able to go into a supermarket unless you have a “vaccine passport”.

415199 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #823 of 1646 🔗

We were talking the other day about how people after the war had a similar thing if they wanted a council house, the ‘social credit’ of the day was to have a lot of children, earned you a house.

415235 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DanClarke, 2, #824 of 1646 🔗

Good heavens, was it really like that in those far-off days? How utterly unlike contemporary Barnsley.

415333 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #825 of 1646 🔗

Don’t know about Barnsley but yes it was, in the olden days

415320 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #826 of 1646 🔗

I believe Denmark already is cashless

415332 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #827 of 1646 🔗

I have been cashless for years

415479 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Two-Six, 4, #828 of 1646 🔗

Me too – totally skint

415190 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #829 of 1646 🔗

Someone posted this yesterday and its well worth a read. The first update for MPs from the HART group (if you don’t know what that is then you haven’t been paying attention)

Some credible opposition to the SAGES….

https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-bulletin-for-mps/

415226 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Major Panic, 3, #830 of 1646 🔗

Sane, rational, lucid – the opposite of MPs.

415275 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Annie, 1, #831 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately most MPs haven’t bothered to research the other side of the covid response – this is giving them the opportunity to educate themselves in polite simple language.

415672 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #832 of 1646 🔗

They may have been following your example of self-education re ‘vaccines’, Major. 🙂

Cheap shot maybe. But ffs, an enormous life-altering world-wide issue arises, and many (most) people don’t bother to learn everything about every angle, asap, and in as much detail as possible.

415198 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #834 of 1646 🔗

Something that I noted quite early on was the lack of any real emotion regarding the death toll. It wasn’t hard to come to the conclusion that most people don’t really care and why should they.

I’ve said before that people aren’t naturally inclined to care about the death of strangers. There is a vocal minority going around telling everyone that they should care but these people are more likely to be using it as capital to push their own agendas.

A typical conversation about people dying might go along these lines…

Me: I see they’re saying 100k people have now died
Mum (or anybody): It’s terrible isn’t it. How many sugars in your tea dear?

It’s just like talking about the weather to most people.

I believe that it was Stalin who said one death is a tragedy the death of millions a statistic. This might seem an evil thing to say but really nobody truly cares unless they’re personally affected.

So we have a situation where there’s a high death toll and huge collateral damage. Most of the anger directed at the latter.

It goes without saying that had we ended up with a similar death toll and much less of the collateral damage there would likely have been very little anger about the death toll itself. Or in other words the outcome would have been more acceptable to most people.

415212 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Nobody2021, 15, #835 of 1646 🔗

Most of these virtue signallers have been brainwashed into fearing for themselves. They don’t give a damn about the collateral damage to society and others caused by lockdowns.

415217 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #836 of 1646 🔗

A very insightful comment. Of course nobody really cares about covviedeaths, unless they know the person.What the zombies really think is ‘Gosh, that’s a lot of death, it might be me next, ooooh I’m so scaaaaaared, lock everybody up pleeeease to keep MEsafe.’
Of course, in normal times nobody goes around counting up the corpses, except perhaps the undertakers, ’cause business is business.

415347 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 5, #837 of 1646 🔗

A couple of people from our wider circle have died recently – after being ill for a long time, though both relatively young, and their deaths weren’t unexpected.

It angered me beyond words that news of their deaths couldn’t be given by their relatives without the added ”with covid-related complications” – as if this information somehow allowed them to buy into the general ”tragedy”. Almost a type of virtue signalling.

(Both, I believe, died eventually of pneumonia. Once upon a time, that’s all that would have been said.)

415231 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #838 of 1646 🔗

People die! We only care when it is someone close & why should it be any different?

I’ve never understood it when people say sorry when they’re informed of a strangers’ death, unless its some kind of confession, then what good is an apology anyway?

415233 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #839 of 1646 🔗

Death is part of life.

415237 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nobody2021, 17, #840 of 1646 🔗

After nearly a year of this, the vast majority of the population still doesn’t have the faintest idea how many people die every day regardless. When I tell people that 50,000 people die every month in this country without fail, they literally refuse to believe me, or occasionally tell me I’m mad.

415242 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #841 of 1646 🔗

The vast majority of people are innumerate.

415337 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rockoman, 12, #842 of 1646 🔗

Three-quarters of them are innumerate, the other half are pretty good at maths.

415331 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #843 of 1646 🔗

How true. That was brought home to us forcibly when Johnson was celebrating his ”100,000 dead” – without actually pointing out that these were included in the normal number of deaths every year. He just allowed the dimwits to believe that these were ”excess deaths”. And many fell for it.

415321 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #844 of 1646 🔗

It’s the government and its propaganda machine that directs the herd’s anger at the deaths, rather than the collateral damage.

415678 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Nobody2021, #845 of 1646 🔗

Maybe it it because most realise that the number dead is nothing near what they claim from covid.

415211 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 24, #846 of 1646 🔗

Greg Dyke on the BBC news radio just now pushing for domestic vaccination passports for hospitality and cultural events. It’s coming thick and fast now what with Blair spouting again this morning.

415227 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Marialta, 19, #847 of 1646 🔗

Its got to be about the money/control, they don’t care if we live or die. The world they live in, they keep well away from the plebs

415236 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to DanClarke, 35, #848 of 1646 🔗

From today which was supposed to be my vaccination day my attitude has hardened even more if that’s possible. I’m now resigned to my fate. I will be an outsider, probably only mix with a very few sceptics, shunned by most family and not able to travel. So be it.

415273 ▶▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Marialta, 6, #849 of 1646 🔗

We will be in good company at least.

415283 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Marialta, 10, #850 of 1646 🔗

I am starting to think this is going to be my new reality too. However, this state of “living” is not new to me. I have already pretty much opted out of living in normie land already BC (Before Covids).

I tried but it didn’t really work and in the last ten years I have already almost given up trying or actually worrying about it. The world is full of crazy brainwashed muppets that I spent a lot of energy avoiding BC anyway.

If anything now at least I can stop feeling GUILTY for being a dysfunctional sociopath. I was actually quite provably right all along. The world is not really WORTH participating in on the whole as it’s insane.

415365 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Marialta, 3, #851 of 1646 🔗

Be proud to be an outlier- quite frankly it’s the only sane option!

415524 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Marialta, 2, #852 of 1646 🔗

Welcome to the Club! Let’s have a pint on the outsider bench.

415259 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 2, #853 of 1646 🔗

Or have sufficient plebs around to do all the work they have neither the knowledge nor the aptitude to do.

415239 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Marialta, 3, #854 of 1646 🔗

wakey-wakey

415305 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Marialta, 20, #855 of 1646 🔗

We are at the point of being un compromising : which side are you on? That of Hitler, Mengele and Goebbels – or that of civilized democracy? There’s nothing in between.

It is astounding that an ex-PM who waged war on a lie is still given any credibility on this issue.

Stalin, Hitler, Salazar, Franco – and any other dictator you care to list – existed. They aren’t figments of the imagination. Why shouldn’t they exist here?

The conventional answer is that our ‘constitutional’ arrangements (Mother of Parliaments etc. myths) provide protection. But the last year has shown that they don’t – they can be brushed aside by elective dictatorship and oppositional failure. They can be captured.

The second layer of protection is in international agreements on aspects of human rights that were built on the ‘Never Again’ impulse after WWII. But we knew that the Tories had been itching to get rid of that constraint – and before that, Blair wasn’t too keen on democratic protections, either. So now (although not formally law), the Nuremberg Protocols are being blatantly ignored – as is much else.

The equivalent would have been to offer the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine hospitality rather than opposition in 1939 : “To Save Lives”.

I give my thanks to the previous generation for not doing so – and on the basis of real sacrifice rather than a paper tiger. At least we had three quarters of a century before the Goebblels and Mengele Memorial Brigade came back to haunt us.

415663 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #856 of 1646 🔗

We owe it to our ancestors to at least emulate them, Rick.

We should aim to surpass them, on the principle of always aiming for the highest.

415238 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 66, #857 of 1646 🔗

I still think the point is being lost.

Lockdown is WRONG

Preventing normal social interaction is WRONG

Governing by decree is WRONG

Destroying businesses by fiat is WRONG

Using the police to enforce ‘rules’ that are not law is WRONG

Forcing people to have untested vaccines is not merely WRONG, it is a crime against humanity – and therefore so are ‘vaccine passports’.

We have to stop compromising. We really do.

415250 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to redbirdpete, 16, #858 of 1646 🔗

Hear, hear.

415261 ▶▶ merlin, replying to redbirdpete, 12, #859 of 1646 🔗

Agree, Don’t give the fuckers an inch.

415657 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #860 of 1646 🔗

Quite Too much negativity/compliance/ignorance on here today.

415253 runtothehills, replying to runtothehills, 10, #861 of 1646 🔗

Need to get our ducks lined up…..crowdfund some legal representation.
Get a good human rights lawyer who is a sceptic.The printing presses are already humming to the tune of totalitarian Stasi “lhre papier bitte” ( your papers please)
I don’t mind being listed as a non compliant.
conformed all my life,but jeez now the law is an Ass

415270 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to runtothehills, 6, #862 of 1646 🔗

While I admire the sentiment, the realty is that the courts are bent

The Judges are a bunch of ex public schoolboys whose role is to protect the elites and the status quo

Prefer to give my money to people like Kate and Luc rather than line the pockets of lawyers and judges

415349 ▶▶ CGL, replying to runtothehills, 1, #863 of 1646 🔗

what happened to the PCR lawyers lot? Haven’t heard anything from them for ages

415262 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 16, #864 of 1646 🔗

I’ve never thought much about vaccines until I listened to Prof Cahill on a recording last spring, and since listening to others like the the front line doctors I have formed quite a strong opinion.

If there is a vaccine for the frail and/or elderly then they should have the opportunity to take it if they wish – although the least risky authorised one AT THE MOMENT seems to be the AZ vax.

But I think it is wrong for younger people who are perfectly healthy to be vaccinated ”to protect others” – it either works or it doesn’t and why would a healthy 30 year old take an experimental vaccine when they are at next to no risk from the virus. And they certainly shouldn’t be getting kids involved in these experiments because, unlike influenza, they are at negligible risk from C19.

But I am not going to fall out with my step father who has had the AZ vax. or anyone else who choses to have it.

I have noticed in here LOCKDOWN sceptics who may think the vaccines are a good thing just don’t post because of the shouting down by the angry mob – hmmm where have we heard that before.

Its a shame that we can’t have some for/against discussions in here because I want to hear all sides of the argument.

A neighbour, who is in her very healthy strong minded 80’s and very anti-vaccinations last year, rented a room to a fella who works for AZ. He had pointed out last year that there were problems with no elderly involved in the trials. I went to see her yesterday (I used to ride her horses) and she said she refused the Pfizer vaccine but had had the first AZ vax , she had been persuaded by the fella and her family.

A bit of sensible discussions about the various vaccines in the pipeline would be helpful for those that may want to take them but want the least risky version – seems quite reasonable…

415281 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 9, #865 of 1646 🔗

The public arguments in favour of the so called vaccines is everywhere. I am amazed at the notion that you have not heard such arguments.

415287 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Hayes, #866 of 1646 🔗

I haven’t heard no arguments about which vaccines in the pipeline are the least risky – think i spend too much time in here – can you direct me to them

415298 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 7, #867 of 1646 🔗

Honestly, they are all over the place. Not even censored. Just to a google search, for goodness sake.AZ definitely less risky than Pfizer – both are untested , of course, compared to a normal vaccine test process which takes between five and seven years – and cannot be speeded up however much money you throw at it , because it is designed to isolate long term side effects.

415306 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #868 of 1646 🔗

The recent adverse effects report suggests that the AZ one is just as risky. It was posted here a wee bit ago.

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/14/think-the-oxford-jab-is-safe-adverse-reactions/

The problem is, most of the people being injected are old – who knows what will happen to younger, healthy people?

415310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to redbirdpete, #869 of 1646 🔗

and in the pipeline there is a nasal spray vaccine, where is that discussed?

415468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Major Panic, 1, #870 of 1646 🔗

Yup – I did see a link in the early comments today I think- Novavax or something like that

415348 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Major Panic, 12, #871 of 1646 🔗

Which are the least risky? Why would you take any vaccine that carries more risk than the virus itself? New NHS figures show only 3000 deaths in the last year of covid only without comorbidities – that is actually about the same as the common cold. Why, apart from coercion and being forced to by employers/ travel restrictions, would anyone bare their arms for this?

415462 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jos, #872 of 1646 🔗

That was exactly his point at the beginning of this thread – needs to travel….

415594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barbara Baker, #873 of 1646 🔗

Where ?

Edit: Not where to travel to, rather where was this reason put forward ?

415352 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 4, #874 of 1646 🔗

There are no so called Covid 19 vaccines for which there is any valid and reliable safety data.

415284 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Major Panic, 13, #876 of 1646 🔗

How can we have any sort of discussion about their safety when they have not finished their safety trials?

415291 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jb12, #877 of 1646 🔗

yeah, bla bla bla – heard all that – its repeated in here constantly – but not all vaccines are the same, some, amazingly, are different, do any of the vaccines use more traditional methods or less evasive methods?

415300 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Major Panic, 9, #878 of 1646 🔗

Just because a vaccine uses ‘traditional’ technology doesn’t mean it is safer than the mRNA ones. You’re not going to get the answer you want because, simply, nobody knows. Sorry that bothers you.

415314 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to jb12, 5, #879 of 1646 🔗

I know a virologist who would differ with you on that, though obviously neither are ‘safe’, even in the sense that other vaccines are ‘safe’ – none are completely safe, of course, nothing is.

The mRNA ones fiddle with your immune system in completely unprecedented ways. The conventional ones could still be a problem, but in the area of ‘known unknowns’ rather than ‘unknown unknowns’.

The said virologist is actually quite excited by the mRNA approach, since it might let us address previously unvaxable viruses like AIDS. But she sure isn’t going to have it herself until more is known about the long term effects.
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415322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #880 of 1646 🔗

You have misunderstood what I have written. Major Panic seems to want to be told that there are ‘safer’ options around, presumably those that use ‘traditional’ technology, like the nasal spray tech that is used for the flu. My point is that traditional vaccines have damaged people before, so the technology being used for longer doesn’t necessarily mean less risk. Really we can’t know until the safety trials have been completed.

415386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to jb12, 2, #881 of 1646 🔗

Understood. There certainly are no ‘safe’ options out there. Which is why I use it in quotes.

415494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to redbirdpete, -3, #882 of 1646 🔗

Bullshit

415301 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 2, #883 of 1646 🔗

Well, you may have heard but you don’t seem to have listened.

415317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to redbirdpete, #884 of 1646 🔗

Sorry pall – think I qualified myself in my original comment – but here, in the real world, some of us have family who are getting jabbed and some who we have managed to persuade to delay – but would be nice to have a little knowledge of less risky vaccines in the pipeline for those we have persuaded to delay – it dead simple.

in the pipeline means not yet available

415324 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Major Panic, 2, #885 of 1646 🔗

in the pipeline means not yet available’

Which means not yet studied either, so why are you asking here?

415345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to jb12, 1, #886 of 1646 🔗

if you don’t have an answer don’t feel you need to answer

415632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #887 of 1646 🔗

Why ask questions with no meaning ?

415472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 2, #888 of 1646 🔗

Because none of the testing has been completed I’m afraid no-one can answer your question, which is what I was suggesting you don’t seem to ‘get’. Your family will be playing Russian roulette.

415361 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Major Panic, 4, #889 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear, they haven’t even isolated the virus, which makes it impossible to create a vaccine.

415385 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Hayes, -9, #890 of 1646 🔗

Oh dear – well in reality they are injecting some shit into my family and friends and it would be helpful to know if, for example, the nasal spray vaccine that will be available at the back end of the year is slightly less risky and worth waiting for – if you don’t know why answer

In the past there were peeps in here who were knowledgeable about this stuff – now its an echo chamber of noise, most i agree with. But i think many of the sciency types have fcuked off unfortunately and we’re just left with the noise

415502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Major Panic, 2, #891 of 1646 🔗

Maybe you could email Sunetra Gupta, though she may take a lot of emails and not be able to answer.

415626 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #893 of 1646 🔗

You have been in a cave for the last six months, haven’t you ?

415958 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Major Panic, #894 of 1646 🔗

None are safe. They all run the risk of antibody dependent enhancement which was the roadblock preventing Coronavirus vaccines before and is, in my opinion, the biggest danger.

415292 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Major Panic, 17, #895 of 1646 🔗

The problem is not the vaccine. It’s what sort of restrictions will be placed on people who choose not to have the vaccine. We can have sensible discussions and there are many on here but the bigger issue for me anyway is what restrictions will be placed on those who do not have the vaccine.

415307 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steeve, 2, #896 of 1646 🔗

and that is a different topic – I will fight tooth and nail against any sort of vaccine ID with in the UK, not least because its a slippery slope. But some people who are anti lockdown are not anti vaccination – and anyone wishing to travel to a country that demands proof of vaccination can jump up and down all they want but wont get in without such proof.

415325 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Major Panic, 6, #897 of 1646 🔗

I know many people who will take the vaccine as they hope it will give them a passport for all sorts of activities. It’s most definitely not a different topic as it is interwoven into the vaccine narrative.

415637 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #898 of 1646 🔗

Or without breaking ‘the law’. Ffs.

415302 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 5, #899 of 1646 🔗

the least risky version

If you’re looking for someone that’s going to tell you to get poisoned & everything’s going to be OK, I suspect you’re in the wrong place.

415340 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 16, #900 of 1646 🔗

You’re quite right about being just shouted down. Some ‘sceptics’ aren’t at all sceptical – just shouty for a different religion 🙂

But that’s not the point. For me, there are several key issues regarding vaccines :

  • You cannot trial a new vaccine sufficiently in 9 months. By definition. No ifs, no buts.
  • You cannot therefore be properly informed about such a vaccine (see basic issues re. consent)
  • Any coercion to accept a vaccine contravenes long-established medical principles.
  • As one who is in the ‘vulnerable’ group, I feel even less inclined to accept a vaccine that has not been properly trialled.
  • The political and financial conflicts of interests surrounding these vaccines are immense and are circumstantial evidence against taking such
  • Connected with the previous point, the government used a demonstrable lie in their paper which set out the case for rushed implementation.
415360 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 2, #901 of 1646 🔗

Thanks Rich – I’m with you re the untested rushed vaccines – but members of my family are taking and intending to take a vaccine – and having persuaded them to delay it would be nice to be able to suggest a less risky vaccine for them to delay for.

Also, as i travel to countries that may insist on a vax certificate of some kind then i may need to take something or not see friends and family abroad again. I am not arguing for a covid vax but in the real world having understanding of the least risky options would be helpful

415444 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Major Panic, 8, #902 of 1646 🔗

Indeed . I have son and grandchildren in Australia- doubtless I will need a vaccine to travel there. I would do that rather than have Chairman Dan insist my babies are vaxxed in order to visit me…. though Oz will likely go the full monty no jab no job/school if previous form is anything to go by.

415647 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #903 of 1646 🔗

Then as well as researching the various vaccines for yourself – otherwise, how can you trust the answers – some practice in framing coherent questions wouldn’t go amiss.

415652 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Major Panic, 1, #904 of 1646 🔗

I am very anti a vaccine passport of any kind but I do think if this is a route which is continued, a negative test option will also be possible. I base that on no other info other than my opinion, so in answer to your question about a safer vaccine and travel, I would try and persuade people not to take the vaccine now and see how things pan out. If a negative test is acceptable the vaccine is not required.

I am a “sciencey” (is that a word)” type but not for humans, in my opinion all of the vaccines have just been rushed. I would always go down the route of anti body testing before any use of vaccines, I would then ascertain the nature of the vaccine (traditional vaccine versus other) and most importantly does the vaccine offer over an above what one’s own immune system can offer.

Finally cynic or not, any of the info about the vaccines comes from the manufacturers, even if they provide the good and bad it is in their interests to show them in the best light, it is always so difficult to really ascertain if there is a “safer” vaccine.

415354 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 7, #905 of 1646 🔗

Here is Sebastian’s Rushworth’s view of the different experimental vaccines

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/10/are-the-covid-vaccines-safe-and-effective/

Personally I think they are all potentially very dangerous, but it’s hard to assess which is potentially least dangerous if you were forced into the undesirable position of having to take one for whatever reason e.g. travel.

It is the long term adverse reactions when they happen over the next 10 years or more that may answer the question. That said the placebo group in the original trials are being allowed to take the experimental vaccine itself and so we won’t be able to compare long term all cause mortality directly on a like for like basis. So if the experimental vaccines say increase the risk of dying from the next respiratory coronavirus encountered that affect may not be obvious in the data. But by definition we can’t know now which is potentially least dangerous. Of course the experimental vaccines may turn out to be safe in the long term but for a healthy person who has next to no chance of being seriously affected by covid to take a significant risk like that is hard to justify on benefit/harm grounds.

415408 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #906 of 1646 🔗

thanks – he discusses the 3 currently available vaccines – I’m hoping for something else in the pipeline for family/friends to hold out for.

I have a friend from OZ who lives with his wife n kids in Spain – its likely that he will need a vaccine cert for all of them for his med insurance.

415439 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 6, #907 of 1646 🔗

Remember that even if the whole population ends up being offered the vaccination, there is still a lot of time before the vaccine offer would reach say those in their 20s. I can’t see them having the passports in place until everyone has been offered the vaccines. And then there is likely to be low take-up in certain groups (e.g. some ethnic groups, younger groups).

And by summer the virus will have gone on it’s own holidays again

My view is that the vaccine passport idea will be dropped because there will be significant numbers un-vaccinated to make it workable.

Not saying the vaccine passport isn’t something to be concerned about, and of course it may happen. But if you do have to give in to travel, then the time to give in is if the vaccine passports are introduced and if you need to travel, not now.

Watch and wait is my suggestion.

415648 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Freecumbria, #908 of 1646 🔗

Tell them loudly and in no uncertain terms to fuck off with their vaccine passport would be mine.

The masochistic strain in many people never fails to trouble and annoy me.

415665 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Major Panic, 4, #909 of 1646 🔗

The fact that people are already saying it is likely a vaccine certificate will be required helps those pushing the idea no end, half their battle is won as so many are stating it as near fact when it is anything but currently.

415869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cumbriacracked, #910 of 1646 🔗

And that’s the most important point at the moment!

415448 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Major Panic, 9, #911 of 1646 🔗

Sensible discussion is not allowed. The propaganda machine is in full swing and any scepticism on the vaccine is labelled conspiracy.

Sure, take it. My mum has. I will ensure my kids don’t and try my best and get my wife to wait. But I won’t destroy relationships over it. For there will only be the worst of days for them to agree maybe I was right to be cautious. That’s no win.

Two things I will do is fight against these passports, manadatroy or even coerced vaccinations. That will take years to ensure they have dismissed the idea. And if they come for my kids, it will get violent. I know the risks and will not let them corrupt me.

415493 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #912 of 1646 🔗

I wonder if at some point Brits will regret sneering at flyover Americans for their possessiveness over firearms.

415651 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #913 of 1646 🔗

I’ve never sneered. Neither has anyone with an understanding of the issues. 🙂

Why, they had a great example in our Bill of Rights. God bless ’em.

415931 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to FedupofLies, #914 of 1646 🔗

Drones make that possessiveness rather pointless. The American government has perfected their skills with them on wedding parties in the Middle East.

415490 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Major Panic, 3, #915 of 1646 🔗

No, I agree that I want to hear the whole story, too.

I sometimes shout on here but just because I feel like I’m in a state where the machinery of totalitarianism is coming down on me.

The thing is, given the silence by the medical profession over things like herd immunity being a natural thing– the attacks against Sunetra Gupta by her colleagues for the humane and efficient Great Barrington positiion– I don’t actually trust them with anything.

They are all either literally bought off, have MASSIVE investments or are afraid of putting their career in jeopardy.

415654 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #916 of 1646 🔗

Don’t forget being totally fucking ignorant. 🙂

415589 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 1, #917 of 1646 🔗

Its a shame that we can’t have some for/against discussions in here

How have you been spending your time, Major ? I investigated these experimental treatments a while ago, and decided against. Have fuck-all to discuss, except perhaps to help educate those who’ve not bothered so far.

415844 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #918 of 1646 🔗

You sound reasonable but there is very little evidence to support using these “vaccines” and a mountain of evidence suggesting extreme caution, to say the least.

415267 leggy, 5, #919 of 1646 🔗

This was posted up yesterday, (thanks to whoever that was), it’s well worth an hour of anyone’s time on a cold and bleak Sunday.

WAKE UP CALL | Documentary 4K | World Freedom Alliance: Copenhagen

https://youtu.be/SEsjvkIJlZs

415272 Hound dog, replying to Hound dog, 24, #920 of 1646 🔗

Covid and climate charge are both completely made up in an attempt to enslave the people. Just look at the chart of the deaths as a % of the population. The reason for lockdowns will merge into climate change soon.

415334 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Hound dog, 4, #921 of 1646 🔗

I assume climate “charge” was a typo? But actually serves the same purpose nicely when we are all taxed for breathing.

415353 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hound dog, 4, #922 of 1646 🔗

It will. They will flip the propaganda switch, just like that, like they have done many times in recent history. Each time they do it it is more and more obvious. They are getting increbibly clumsy with their propaganda because they know their time is running out. They have to drive their agenda NOW or it’s never again.

You watch. It will be obvious when you see it. In fact I think we might be seeing it, especially of covid fear bollocks rescinds into the middle pages of the tabloids and newspapers and down the headlines.

When it’s gone, it’s gone. Out of sight out of mind. The public, all looking under the wrong egg cup again. Idiots.

415285 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 26, #923 of 1646 🔗

Three weeks to squash the sombrero turned into one year lockdown going on forever.
No vaxx passport turner into you need a vaxx passport to enter pubs and shops.
Are you still dreaming about going back to normal? Keep dreaming!

415584 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheClone, 1, #924 of 1646 🔗

Sorry to hear you’ve given up, TC.

415286 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 29, #925 of 1646 🔗

.

415290 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to The Covid Kid, 8, #926 of 1646 🔗

I couldn’t trust myself to be close enough to look in his eyes.

415297 ▶▶ Hound dog, replying to The Covid Kid, 9, #927 of 1646 🔗

Traitor

415293 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #928 of 1646 🔗

Anybody know how the Nightingale hospitals are going?

415311 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #929 of 1646 🔗

They are being used to store Covid-free air so that the elites can have a future when the rest of us have all been killed off by the new variants.

415327 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #930 of 1646 🔗

They are being “repurposed” into ahem, “hotels”.

415376 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 7, #931 of 1646 🔗

The Nightingales. Hotels for the very nervous hypochondriac;

“As well as a 5 star dining facilities that adhere to the highest levels of covid safety and sports facilities that are swabbed down every 20 minutes with gold standard anti-viral agents, you can relax. You will be happy and content in the knowledge that a fully equipped medical facility is on-site, ready to put you on a ventilator at a moments notice should you come down with something that might be “a bit nasty”. You will be able to sleep easily at night, at the Nightingales”

415416 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #932 of 1646 🔗

That’s reassuring – when can I book room?

415820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #933 of 1646 🔗

Don’t call us, we’ll call you.

415295 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 38, #934 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been reading several different kinds of articles today, plus emails from friends – and I just CANNOT understand WHY people don’t get it. The government has actually stated that this so-called ”vaccine” won’t make any difference to ”the roolz”, that muzzles will still be worn and antisoshull distunsin must STILL be obeyed.  That we STILL won’t be ”allowed” to travel freely.

Yet they (including Tice, including our friends) go on about having the ”vaccine” because ”it’ll bring us back to normal”.  What is WRONG with people?  Is it selective deafness, or what?

415316 ▶▶ runtothehills, replying to Banjones, 6, #935 of 1646 🔗

Cognitive dissonance

415319 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Banjones, 6, #936 of 1646 🔗

What is WRONG with people?  Is it selective deafness, or what?

No, it’s a hidden national pandemic called ‘the frits’ . There’s no known vaccine and the only reliable treatment is to change one’s underwear twice daily. Understandably the regime will deny its existence.

415323 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Banjones, 10, #937 of 1646 🔗

I find this increasingly hard to understand. Despite the fact that Gov is making it clearer by the day that the roolz will continue, people don’t want to hear that. They want their lives back so they blot it out. Maybe it’s selective deafness or sheer stupidity.

415815 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #938 of 1646 🔗

Psy-Op!

415359 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Banjones, 13, #939 of 1646 🔗

I suspect that despite the govt admitting that vaccines won’t make any difference to the restrictions, people don’t want to confront this or admit to themselves what is happening.

I have witnessed this in 2 sceptical friends who insist that restrictions will ease ‘when’ the schools go back on 8th March and from idiot husband who let it slip yesterday that to think that the restrictions wouldn’t be lifted soon would be too bloody depressing to think about.

Those that are not actually terrified of Covvie are in denial about what is being done to us. They cannot handle the truth.

415431 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #940 of 1646 🔗

It is a global reset. The American Libertarian Right call it New World Order but whatever it is, this is like nothing I’ve experienced.

It is a psyops being carried out on vast populations.

No wonder some are asking if the devil or if aliens are behind it. They need some explanation as to why people are behaving a certain way.

But no, it is just Big Pharma and bankers with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation being the head of the funding octopus. They’ve bought up so much. As Catherine Austin Fitts explains in this interview with the Planet Lockdown documentary team:

Planet Lockdown | Catherine Austin Fitts (Full Interview) (rumble.com)

415515 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #941 of 1646 🔗

They’re not even trying to hide it.

Plenty of vids and posts about this on the official WEF website.

415574 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #942 of 1646 🔗

But no, it is just …

You have the evidence that aliens and Old Nick are not behind this ? Please share ..

415419 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Banjones, 7, #943 of 1646 🔗

I agree exactly with you point, and yes, it is some sort of collective madness. Everyone i know who has had the vaccine thinks it will., when all the over 50’s are done, mean an end to the restrictions – exactly the opposite of what the Facist Party are saying.

But maybe there is hope in that – when enough of them realise they’ve been hornswoggled they will finally turn

415457 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #944 of 1646 🔗

Thing is it will be blamed on those who refuse it. That’s the quandary.

415685 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #945 of 1646 🔗

You could just tell them you have and your vaccine passport is in the post ..

415578 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #946 of 1646 🔗

Everyone i know who has had the vaccine thinks it will … mean an end to the restrictions

Restrictions of this mortal coil ? Some of them will be proved correct.

415299 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 19, #947 of 1646 🔗

The ommission of seasonality-spotted by a uni undergraduate but not by all the clever profs.is a potentially damaging weakness which everyone should pile in to re their local paper, MP etc because if Ferguson is able to establish his reputation, and a new institute-which requires funding, he will be a fixture. Laughing at the man shown up by a student will be more effective than reams of factually correct staistics.

That’s why vaccination for the moment is a distraction. We can’t win on that ground. It’s up to everyone to make their own personal decision. Because I want to travel eventually I will almost certainly take the jab, although I’ll avoid it if I can. I don’t take unnecessary inoculations even though I’m a world traveller. At any rate I’ll wait more than 6 months and until the last possible moment. This govt. has knocked my finances anyway. I suspect a lot of us won’t be going anywhere any time soon because of this.

415369 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to frankfrankly, 6, #948 of 1646 🔗

Ivor Cummins spotted the seasonality link months ago.

415437 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #949 of 1646 🔗

And based on Hope Simpsons work which is textbook.

415919 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #950 of 1646 🔗

Literally.

415414 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to frankfrankly, #951 of 1646 🔗

Being marooned on this shithole island is hell.

415481 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #952 of 1646 🔗

The island is a wonderland its all the cnuts on it.

415303 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 21, #953 of 1646 🔗

OK that was a cold walk. Hard to believe it is forecast to be 14 deg here tomorrow. Got back to find two wall-facers outside my own house lol. As I approached on the pavement they turned towards my house wall like figures in an astronomical clock. I just opened my front door and went in leaving them there like statues.

415338 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 11, #954 of 1646 🔗

Last week a woman and her dog took refuge in a driveway as I approached, not noticing I was crossing the road. Unable to look up, in case the virus is transmitted by light, she kept her eyes doggedly fixed on her dog.
After about a minute (truly) she realised I hadn’t walked past yet, and she turned around to see what was going on. By this time I was 50 or so metres down the other side of the road, and I turned to give her the BF cheesy grin and a wave, while sniggering “Yuk, yuk…..”.

415362 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 16, #955 of 1646 🔗

The worst thing is the pavement swervers who then look at you as you pass, expecting profuse thanks. It was their choice to behave like a frightened rabbit, not mine, so why should I thank them?

415403 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #956 of 1646 🔗

NO !
We MUST grit our teeth and BEAM at them – remind them how it felt to be greeted with a smile and a friendly word.
Show them up for what they are!
FORCE them to remember what normality was.
Take the moral high ground!

(It’s hard, I know, not to rip off their ridiculous bits of Chinese paper and scream abuse at them for their stupidity…..)

415409 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #957 of 1646 🔗

I never thank them but say hello or Good morning instead.

415382 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #958 of 1646 🔗

Wall facers….holy flip.
Early on in the pantomime, Me and Mrs 2-6 walked passed a young women, she froze as we approached, turned, facing a hedge, and walked face first into it and stayed there motionless until we passed by.
OMFG

415402 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #959 of 1646 🔗

so… weird

415567 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #960 of 1646 🔗

I detect a possible photo competition – Weirdest Wall-facer, Most Dangerous Wall-facer, etc.

415412 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #961 of 1646 🔗

That’s hilarious! I’m still persisting in my determination to remind the muzzlers how it felt to say ”good day” with a smile.

415415 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #962 of 1646 🔗

That’s hilarious! I’m still persisting in my determination to remind the muzzlers how it felt to say ”good day” with a smile.

415304 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 20, #963 of 1646 🔗

Does anyone else think that slowly opening the cage should read rapidly setting the trap ?

415313 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #964 of 1646 🔗

The cage doors just seem to lead out into a succession of bigger cages like a matryoshka doll.

415315 ▶▶ Hound dog, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #965 of 1646 🔗

This is the boris build back better plan – lockdown immediately at the first sign of a new model from Ferguson then spend 4-5 months preparing to unlock in stages. They plan on owning everything and everyone.

415318 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hound dog, 6, #966 of 1646 🔗

Nurse Ratched’s Ratchet.

415344 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hound dog, 1, #967 of 1646 🔗

How will they get money, recycled money doesn’t count

415343 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #968 of 1646 🔗

Like Lambs to the slaughterhouse.

Things never stay the same, the microchip has changed our lives dramatically we just didn’t complain because it was convenient, the next level of their progressive plan won’t be so collateral free. One thing’s a certainty we ain’t going back to pre-COVID-19. Now they’ve crossed that line, lockdowns will be a permanent part of the political landscape.

415471 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Anti_socialist, #969 of 1646 🔗

Lockdowns now, cancelling later.

415335 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 38, #970 of 1646 🔗

‘Last night a senior government source confirmed that from March 8 people in England would be allowed to drink coffee on a park bench…’

From the Sunday Telegraph today.

Can anyone read those words without marvelling at how far down the road to tyranny our ‘freedom-loving’ nation has travelled?

415357 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #971 of 1646 🔗

Yes, lots of people can. Lots of people will in fact still think that being allowed to drink coffee on a park bench is too dangerous.

Presumably the govt do actually realise that lots of people are already drinking coffee on park benches, however??

415375 ▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #972 of 1646 🔗

It just goes to show how out of touch they are. All they have to do is walk outside anywhere to see people on park benches and socialising outside their households.

415560 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to End of Tether, 2, #973 of 1646 🔗

I think they’re doing a slowed-down minimalist Italian government response, where they changed the rules to fit people’s behaviour.

What shall we aim for next ? 🙂

415529 ▶▶ Slatey, replying to DJ Dod, 1, #974 of 1646 🔗

What about tea? Is tea allowed? FFS….

415339 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #975 of 1646 🔗

Raab said, we can go and eat out, ‘if we get FULL compliance’, this is what the compliant have brought us to. They were dubious about the controls working, now listen to them!

415350 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DanClarke, 19, #976 of 1646 🔗

The UK has now sunk to the level of an enormous primary school with the government as our teachers threatening to keep everyone in at break time if Wayne keeps on pulling Waynetta’s pigtails.

I don’t understand how this kind of language and contempt for the public – the voters – doesn’t enrage people. Actually I think a lot of them think that it doesn’t apply to them, just to the “naughty boys”. So they nod along in agreement.

Anyway I don’t want to eat out. I just want it to be legal to see my family and friends again.

415366 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #977 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been seeing family and friends all along, not sure if that’s illegal

415410 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 11, #978 of 1646 🔗

I couldn’t give a shit whether it is or not. ‘Legality’ as determined by this shit-show government has no traction in democratic terms.

It’s like condemning the French resistance on grounds of ‘legality’.

415501 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 3, #979 of 1646 🔗

That’s true, the thought of it being illegal to see family is evil

415554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, 3, #980 of 1646 🔗

Often feels empowering to completely disregard the law mind.

There was a plod car parked outside as we emerged from our Freedom Network meeting last week. What else could one do but ostentatiously hug all the women. 🙂

415411 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DanClarke, 3, #981 of 1646 🔗

Me too, but I’d still like it to be legal because the very act of making it illegal to see your own family is just so abhorrent.

415341 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 50, #982 of 1646 🔗

“The Foreign Secretary has said the Government is “considering” Covid vaccine passports for both domestic and international travel.

Under this scheme, visits to shops, pubs, restaurants and events could be allowed provided the customer has a document on hand proving they have been fully vaccinated against the virus.

Appearing on LBC’s Swarbrick on Sunday, Dominic Raab said the Government “hasn’t ruled out” introducing the vaccine passport both within the UK and for overseas travel.”

I hereby sign up to the lawsuits against this and promise to contribute to their funding in a very meaningful way.
May they rot in hell regardless.

415420 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JayBee, 3, #983 of 1646 🔗

Perhaps Simon Dolan might take it up.

415475 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JayBee, 2, #984 of 1646 🔗

Hear hear

416136 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to JayBee, #985 of 1646 🔗

hear hear

415342 Hound dog, replying to Hound dog, 13, #986 of 1646 🔗

Who actually buys the telegraph at the moment. No journalism just puts out the government propaganda. It makes me vomit.

415351 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Hound dog, 3, #987 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think I’ve bought a paper this century. I used to read the free ones given out in airports when we were allowed to engage is such dangerous activities as travel. Though to be honest, my main interest was the crossword.

415551 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Hound dog, 2, #988 of 1646 🔗

I cancelled my subscriptions months back for that very reason and told them so.

In a way it may be counterproductive I guess since he who pays the piper calls the tune (government now their majority paymasters). But it was a health choice as my blood pressure just couldn’t take it any more.

415358 DanClarke, 9, #989 of 1646 🔗

Is the social credit system up and running, key worker (government) children being educated unlike the non key worker

415363 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 16, #990 of 1646 🔗

I was thinking about a cartoon by Bob Moran in which he showed a man coming out of solitary confinement only to find he was still in a larger prison and Boris saying you’re free.

It made me think of the Russian (nesting) dolls that you get where you have a small doll that fits inside a larger one and that in turn fits into an even larger one.

In terms of lockdown/restrictions this is one way that I see them when viewed at a distance.

Doll 1 (smallest doll) = Restricted to within my house
Doll 2 = restricted to within 5 miles of my house
Doll 3 = restricted to my country, in this case Scotland
Doll 4 = restricted to within the UK
Doll 5 = The world

You can have as many levels as you like but each level is still technically a level of lockdown/restriction the only difference is the area covered. Only at level 5 can we truly say we are free from lockdowns.

People say that Australia and New Zealand are free from lockdowns but when viewed from the above perspective they are actually still in lockdown relative to the rest of the world.

415378 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #991 of 1646 🔗

Interesting post.

I tend to envisage any removal in lockdown restriction being like an Escher never-ending staircase which we never reach the top of, because restrictions are forever being added back in at the same time others are being removed.

But that may be me being a bit too pessimistic!

415390 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #992 of 1646 🔗

It’s the Pharmaceutical-Control-State and unfortunately unless people fight back against it, this may become the reality.

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

415681 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #993 of 1646 🔗

Similar staircase view for me but from Hogworts when the staircase moves just as you get to the top!

415499 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Nobody2021, #994 of 1646 🔗

I see it as 4-level myself:

  • my house
  • -5 miles radius
  • – my country (ie the whole of Britain)
  • – the world

but basic concept is one I agree with.

415371 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 18, #995 of 1646 🔗

Hey here’s a thought, maybe all those tictok nurses are really trying to tell us that the hospitals were not busy. We know if they speak out they will get sacked.

415377 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrew K, 7, #996 of 1646 🔗

I think this theory has been mooted before – could be something in it

415381 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Andrew K, 3, #997 of 1646 🔗

I have also heard that before. Curious…

415392 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrew K, 1, #998 of 1646 🔗

Not if they did it on mass surely?

415398 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrew K, 6, #999 of 1646 🔗

I guess they had to send out a “we are being held hostage” message through the medium of dance as nobody knows morse code these days

415440 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1000 of 1646 🔗

Dit dit // da dit dit/da da da

415429 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1001 of 1646 🔗

Errr no. The Tik Tom vids started as a few nurses and a mobile phone. This time round it’s hospital en mass, marketing department psy op level shit, drones filming, beautifully edited. They are not telling you anything except you mean nothing.

This was beamed out on Prime Time in Ireland two weeks ago. It starts with masonic symbolism and everything.

It’s got full scale North Korea vibes.

https://youtu.be/M7n5NfNPU24

415483 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1002 of 1646 🔗

Very insidious, clear masonic symbolism. Pyramid in the background. Masked faces almost as bad as the recent superbowl half time routine.

415495 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1003 of 1646 🔗

I’m certainly not pleased at seeing a song I like getting mucked-around with that sort of stuff. I do African dancing and it’s supposed to be about fun/having a good time and bad enough having to switch off quick on some versions as it is (ie because they’re wearing a mask and I find that against the spirit of it). I do grin when I watch the one with a group of African lawyers dancing away as a firm – and it’s without masks.

415531 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1004 of 1646 🔗

I’m pretty content to see fuckwits doing physical jerks in masks.

A small beginning maybe, but gradually their numbers will decrease by natural causes.

415433 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrew K, #1005 of 1646 🔗

It’s a pity, then, that more didn’t sign the petition
Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598

This has been stuck at about 2,600 for weeks. I kept sharing the link but for some reason there was no interest.

415373 Morse, replying to Morse, 34, #1006 of 1646 🔗

Had a lovely night out last night, went round a friends to watch the Rugby in the afternoon, followed by dinner, our respective teenage kids had a great time together, mucking about while the old un’s drank and got merry. Taxi home at midnight, no stress, taxi came in minutes and was incredibly grateful for the business. Slight hangover today the only negative, GFY Dripford and Vague Nothing.

415380 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Morse, 7, #1007 of 1646 🔗

That’s great to hear Morse

415384 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Janette, 5, #1008 of 1646 🔗

Was Lewis there?

415388 ▶▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1009 of 1646 🔗

No gave him the weekend off, Inspectors only.

415442 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Morse, 3, #1010 of 1646 🔗

Can you imagine Endeavour Morse’s attitude to lockdown and face nappies?

415395 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Morse, 17, #1011 of 1646 🔗

I think your experience of yesterday is becoming more the norm. Family are just back from a walk and reporting that people generally are taking ‘fuck all notice’ of constraints – which is good news.

But I fear that this is still not the same as an overt rebellion against government crap.

415436 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 17, #1012 of 1646 🔗

I think in some ways it’s better than overt rebellion. A group of rebels can be targeted, smeared, rounded up, threatened. Large numbers of the population thinking to themselves ‘whatever mate, fucking jog on’ is harder to counter, harder to detect, more organic, more influential.

415504 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1013 of 1646 🔗

It isn’t BETTER but just another way at the same time

There needs to be large visuals of people marching in London etc

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

415583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #1014 of 1646 🔗

Right – I think we need both ‘quiet’ rebellion (which I’m seeing lots of) and major protests. I’m confident that both are on the way, particularly when the weather in the Northern Hemisphere improves.

415763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1015 of 1646 🔗

There was a mothers’ march for freedom in Oxford today. Reasonable turnout for the time of year. All peaceful, well-organised, sounded good chanting and drumming together.
Video on Protest Everywhere.

415700 ▶▶▶▶ dommo, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1016 of 1646 🔗

you are 100% on the money there – it’s the one true route to freedom

415754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, #1017 of 1646 🔗

I agree. Thousands turn up in London to protest and the police have us all in one place. Thousands of individual households just getting on with life would be impossible to police.

The same would apply to businesses but they’re more visible so would have to act in unison, otherwise would be easy targets.

415518 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Morse, 5, #1018 of 1646 🔗

If only I had friends willing to participate in life these days… almost all of them Guardian-reading, rule abiding lockdown zealots, trembling in fear and waiting for the vaccine. It’s a disgrace. Middle-class intellectuals who could never be fooled by the government.

415544 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to Pebbles, 1, #1019 of 1646 🔗

To be fair most of mine are as well, inc family, just a couple that are not, even these are not full sceptic like me, gagging for the snake oil, but they are pissed off enough to entertain having us round for dinner.

416010 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Morse, #1020 of 1646 🔗

Similar here but with no rugby and a bigger hangover!

415389 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 28, #1021 of 1646 🔗

The pesky bench-sitter of old Walden Town returns!

415396 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to kh1485, 2, #1022 of 1646 🔗

Awww… I’ll have to pop some pictures up of my pooch if this carries on. 🙂

415401 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 6, #1023 of 1646 🔗

Too many smug dogs around! – no wonder when they see everyone walking around with muzzles!

415511 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 2, #1024 of 1646 🔗

A repeat offender! Where are the cops when you need them!

415598 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to bluemoon, 2, #1025 of 1646 🔗

They would not dare go near him . A labrador? he would slobber them near to death.

415615 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to kh1485, #1026 of 1646 🔗

Such a wonderful title for a modern day Goon Show. Our equivalent of The Dreaded Batter Pudding Hurler of Bexhill on Sea.

415778 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Richy_m_99, #1027 of 1646 🔗

My arch enemy the “Red Bladder”!

415399 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 42, #1029 of 1646 🔗

Morrisons Skipton, about 2 hours ago: dramatis personae, Me, Woman Behind, Woman in Front. Me: I won’t be long, I’ve only got a few things. WB: You’re a good boy. Me: Actually, a bad boy given half a chance. WB: I can see that, no mask and all. Wish I was exempt, this thing is choking me. Me: Just exempt yourself, that’s what I have done. Go to gov.uk and it says you can exempt yourself if you feel distressed. WB: Come here and give us a hug. (Stage direction – both parties moved together like amorous koalas) Look over there, my hubby is laughing his head off! Woman in Front: I heard what you said and not everyone is of the same opinion. Me: There was no opinion, I was just telling this lovely lady the law. End of scene except, when I tried to sidestep husband, he hugged me like a prop forward from Castleford and I’m now nursing severe rib bruising, partly from laughing, but!

415417 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bungle, 8, #1030 of 1646 🔗

Joyus stuff.

415752 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1031 of 1646 🔗

Cheers M8 and all who ‘liked’ your joyning in!!!

415400 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 39, #1032 of 1646 🔗

HAH! Instant karma just worked and I’d love to know the outcome of that. Someone just did the Covid Snoop bit on a local Facebook page and reported a holiday home as having just been let out again. That comment didn’t stay up long – I started by reporting their post to the Admin. of that page as “harassment” and it got taken off very quickly by them. I then sent a message to the owner letting out the place and told them this had just happened – and giving them the name of the Covid snoop concerned (who is very easy to find on Facebook). Yay – go me! Struck a blow for freedom. That’s made my day belting one of these Covid Snoops back. Would love to be a fly on the wall if it’s a big burly guy that’s renting that place out that decides to pay the snoop a visit at work….as they can easily do…

415463 ▶▶ Janette, replying to ElizaP, 6, #1033 of 1646 🔗

Woh excellent it’s little victories like thus that make my day

415478 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Janette, 8, #1034 of 1646 🔗

Oh yes. The phrase “give them a taste of their own medicine” comes to mind. 11 months of pent-up frustration and I just went = take aim and fire. They are quite happy to restrict our lives to suit their fears – well let’s give them something to be really scared of (eg said holiday rental accommodation paying them a visit at work – which I certainly would in their position……).

415407 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 28, #1035 of 1646 🔗

Just musing on this talk about vaccine passports in order to do various things and thinking it might be quite a legal challenge to actually make it a mandatory requirement. To be fair they have pulled off all sorts of dodgy legal stuff this year and so they may well try. However, there will have to be agreement on what jabs are OK, For visitors from overseas (if we ever have any again?) will a Chinese, Russian or Ugandan vaccine card be acceptable? Are pub staff going to check all this stuff? if I turn up at my local pub with a Nigerian vaccine certificate will I be able to have a pint?
Yellow fever vaccine cards for International travel last a long time, but these dodgy covid potions are stated to have a limited duration, will the law specify length of time for acceptance? and who is going to check all this? Yellow fever cards also have an agreed legal exemption procedure surely the covid vaccine passport will also need an exemption procedure?
I am hoping that this will prove a significant legal challenge and that by the time this gets anywhere covid will have packed up and gone home.

I notice care home bosses are agitated that staff are not getting vaccinated;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9257823/Care-home-bosses-demand-staff-Covid-jabs-risk-losing-jobs-amid-fears-uptake.html?ito=push-notification&ci=77240&si=25332643
As many care home staff are younger ladies who may be considering starting a family would they not be in the exempt category? Perhaps this vaccine and employment situation is going to be the first area where the legality of this compulsory vaccine nonsense is going to get tested?

Perhaps I could play the woke card and despite all appearance to the contrary claim that I identify as a young lady trying to start family and am therefore exempt!

415425 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1036 of 1646 🔗

Well I used to go football all the time, when they briefly opened up to spectators before christmas they said you had to use an app to gain exntry as a paper ticket was dangerous (You couldn’t make this shit up) anyway it’s obvious this trial was used to see if the app would work then they can link lt to covid passports, criminal record or whatever they bloody want.

415443 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1037 of 1646 🔗

App-based tickets have been standard fare for yonks: used them all the time in those far-off days when we supported FC Copenhagen in their most recent Champions League campaign. In fact, most things in Copenhagen were smartphone-friendly: tickets, travel, bookings, events, paying for stuff. I didn’t mind it then; but I refuse to even admit to owning one now.

415667 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Suet, 2, #1038 of 1646 🔗

I bought a Doro smartphone, userfriendly for elderly and thickos, as I chanced upon it that it was on offer for a VERY good price.
I wanted one for travel as then I did not have a printer and always had to go to the library or friends to print my airline tickets for my annual trip to see my family in Germany. ( I now have a printer so I can print anti lockdown leaflets).
I will go back to paper, using the phone was so annoying!

415428 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1039 of 1646 🔗

i agree the ‘certification’ will be extremely hard to make consistent and administer. You can imagine the 4 uk regions having different certs in the first place – just because they can. And as you point out the foreign ones would be interesting for a numbhead nob at the pub door to decipher. Hope there will be a blackmarket for this also

415432 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1040 of 1646 🔗

I might be prepared to sacrifice my pet paw-paw to get a Tanzanian CovviPass. They can’t have the goat though.

415434 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1041 of 1646 🔗

I agree, my first thought was that this is seriously concerning, but still far from easy to implement.

Another thought I had – Raab has been one of the figures talking this up. Speculation of course but; any sign of any leadership challenge, he is now pretty easy pickings, ‘hey don’t trust this guy, look at what he said about vaccine certificates…’

415435 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #1042 of 1646 🔗

then you may find you can’t visit certain European countries because you have had the Astrazeneca vaccine and they don’t accept this

415452 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1043 of 1646 🔗

For its part, Malta has sold 1,800 EU passports for about €1.1m each for the main passport holders, raking in €800m since 2014. Cyprus has been selling them for some €2m each, pocketing over €7bn since 2013.”

Hopefully their CovviPasses will be a tad cheaper.

415456 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #1044 of 1646 🔗

I have a feeling (hope) that a lot of this talk is more scaremongering to increase vaccine uptake. Like you say, there are so many legal potholes. What if you’ve pregnant, your religion doesn’t allow it, have a disability, the list goes on..

415572 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Wolver, 2, #1045 of 1646 🔗

Yes, I don’t think this government knows what it’s doing – it’s always one knee-jerk reaction after another. As people have said here, there are so many logistical and legal obstacles to implentation that I don’t think this is possible, at least not this year. The fact that there are several ‘vaccines’, with more on the way, also works against the recognition of any kind of standard here. So, both internationally and domestically, I can’t see how this is even possible (now – who knows about the future, which is why we need to fight this).

415575 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Wolver, 4, #1046 of 1646 🔗

I’m wondering about allergies which have worsened during my adult life. Now allergic to penicillin … came out of nowhere. Attacks of allergic rhinitis … never had that before mid-2000s. Hay fever … problem from 2008. This is before allowing for the special risks of coronavirus vaccines, i.e. ADE.

So, does a doctor’s certificate that I’m exempt from COVID vaccination due to allergies permit international travel?

Someone stupid clearly planned this and didn’t think of all the logistics (a bit like Iraq 2003).

415731 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Wolver, 2, #1047 of 1646 🔗

I think you’re right – great minds think alike 😉

I know three people who’ve had the jab simply because they think it will let them into places, once they open.

415907 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, #1048 of 1646 🔗

They’re in for a rude awakening.

415628 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1049 of 1646 🔗

Re: exemptions. In the spirit of the modern age we live in, I shall be self identifying from now on as a 25 year old female, seeking to start a family and, therefore, exempt from mandatory medical experiments.

415424 godowneasy, 5, #1050 of 1646 🔗

From one of my favourite crazy conspiracy theorists, Iain Davies https://twitter.com/_InThisTogether

415426 Suet, replying to Suet, 20, #1051 of 1646 🔗

A dear sweet neighbour has been and had the jab, and has given us chapter and verse about the procedure. The only identification she was required to show was the letter sent to her for the appointment. So … there will probably be people who are happy to learn a few personal details (dob, address) and go and take the jab on other people’s behalf.

Voila! Vakzine passport without the vakzine.

415445 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Suet, 9, #1052 of 1646 🔗

I don’t want to see people to taking the jab on other people’s behalf – this jab is the Mark of the beast.

415522 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to this is my username, #1053 of 1646 🔗

I too would feel uncomfortable with others taking doses for me, however I am quite prepared to take it myself instead of teenage family members.

415460 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Suet, 4, #1054 of 1646 🔗

Letter has bar code and NHS number

415469 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to stevie, 8, #1055 of 1646 🔗

Even better! The holder of the letter is therefore that person …

Do you have any idea what your NHS number is without looking it up? I don’t.

415467 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Suet, 5, #1056 of 1646 🔗

Mum had it too, I quizzed her. Only showed letter and had mask on, said she could have been anyone as far as they knew or cared. given a card containing batch info as well as date of second dose. No checks.

415485 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1057 of 1646 🔗

Cool. I could set up a Vakzination Agency: match people up with someone of the same sex, similar age. Job done. Wouldn’t cost you ALL that much …

415491 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Suet, 6, #1058 of 1646 🔗

Happy to become customers, Suet. 🙂

415753 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JohnB, #1059 of 1646 🔗

Let us know when you’re opening up your ‘clinic’, Suet 😉

415427 Lowe, 20, #1060 of 1646 🔗

I too liked Glen Bishop’s critique on Friday of some of the research papers associated with the Imperial College modelling team, noting in particular that they do not include seasonality in their modelling.

One aspect of “seasonality” affecting response to any virus and ignored by the Imperial team is that humans tend to cheer up when the weather improves and the daylight hours get longer; poking their noses outside, sniffing the air, getting out more, more fresh air, more sunshine, more vitamin D, socialising more – and, as they “cheer up”, their immune systems are boosted.  Whoever would have guessed that? Yet none of this is taken into account by the mathematical modellers.  In the abstract they model deaths from just this one virus, totally oblivious that those funny little carbon-based life units they are modelling might actually have feelings and might be affected by any number of other ailments that need treatment, or might feel depressed, despondent, demoralised when locked up week after week after dreary week after dreary week and making them more susceptible to whatever bug might be about…

415438 Steeve, 3, #1061 of 1646 🔗

Newsflash

“Bumps in the road”

415441 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #1062 of 1646 🔗

I think one of my friends is a Lockdown zealot/vaccine sceptic- what a combination!

415517 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1063 of 1646 🔗

I imagine quite common. Lockdown/guardian reading quinoa and herbal tea, dont like big pharma etc.

415447 iansn, replying to iansn, 17, #1064 of 1646 🔗

Did anything happen in Washington USA yesterday? Looking at the front pages they seem to have missed it. John Soppel was apoplectic last night on BBC. How could they do it, he’s guilty blah blah. Shut the fucking bbc down

415474 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to iansn, 5, #1065 of 1646 🔗

Interesting letter from the [resigning] Chief of Police, provided to the Democrats a couple of weeks ago. They chose to ignore it & perjure themselves instead.
https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/02/13/help-denied-at-capitol-seige-says-resigning-chief-of-police-s-sund-no-investigation-and-a-bitter-win-for-van-der-veen/

415718 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to iansn, #1066 of 1646 🔗
415834 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to iansn, 1, #1067 of 1646 🔗

A long time ago I used to do oil related work in Libya in the days of Gadaffi. There wasn’t much to do in your spare time, a bit like lockdown without the internet, Amazon and home food deliveries. One of the ways we used to amuse ourselves was to watch the nightly English language ‘Jamahiriya news ‘. The newscasters, (generally broad scousers which made it even more amusing) were obviously contracted to use the term ‘ Zionist and Imperialist Pigs’ at least once per minute (I dread to think what might have happened to them if they missed their target, but I don’t think they ever did). But even taking that target into consideration, I think I witnessed more journalistic integrity on that news program than I have done on a BBC one in the last 20 years (not that I watch them any more).

So yes, I pretty much agree with your last sentence.

415455 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 17, #1068 of 1646 🔗

Let’s have a no taxation day. We certainly aren’t getting any political representation for our taxation. Council Tax would be a good start.

415458 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 6, #1069 of 1646 🔗

I would be up for a National Strike Day then they can’t collect any PAYE as well as not getting their bins emptied or groceries delivered.

415466 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #1070 of 1646 🔗

What the f. has Council Tax to do with the government shit-show?

(It is missing 🙂 )

415618 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #1071 of 1646 🔗

All those signs, bollards, traffic-calming, covid wardens, police overtime etc cost money, guess where it comes from?

415538 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, -9, #1072 of 1646 🔗

Your taxation is irrelevant to the operation of the country. So your protest will have zero effect.

However if you don’t pay it, then you will go to jail and lose all your assets. As you should.

You time might be better employed learning how money actually works.

415542 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1073 of 1646 🔗

Probably correct. Except for the ‘As you should’ collaborative sentiment.

415719 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1074 of 1646 🔗

If tax is ‘irrelevant’, then why should anyone go to prison for not paying it?

If taxation is irrelevant, then nobody suffers anything from my refusal to pay.

415693 ▶▶ Hound dog, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #1075 of 1646 🔗

I’d be up for a general strike until freedom is restored.

415847 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hound dog, 1, #1076 of 1646 🔗

I would too, but how do retired people carry out a strike?

Perhaps I could stop buying my incontinence aids?

415707 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #1077 of 1646 🔗

My local council just sent out their annual budget report and rates will increase. Not exactly unexpected – but I wouldn’t vote for most of the things they intend to “improve” over the coming months.

415473 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1078 of 1646 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/they-are-heroes-kind-gardai-surprise-elderly-living-alone-with-valentines-day-treats-and-ppe-40089968.html

The Irish – they are easily duped.

TLDR – Gardai in one west of Ireland town deliver “Valentine gifts” to elderly people living alone and are getting praise on anti social media for doing so.

415952 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1079 of 1646 🔗

If I was an elderly Irish person I would tell them to shove their valentine’s gifts where the sun don’t shine. Stockholm syndrome: developing an emotional attachment to your captors and tormentors

415482 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 11, #1080 of 1646 🔗

Really good message from Yeadon re. mass vaccination, apologies if already posted:

https://twitter.com/rapella/status/1359120279470018560

415645 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to GrannySlayer, #1081 of 1646 🔗

From late October though.

415699 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JayBee, #1082 of 1646 🔗

Doesn’t matter if it’s still relevant.

415487 Pebbles, 5, #1083 of 1646 🔗

Sign this petition against vaccine passport:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

415488 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 10, #1084 of 1646 🔗

Interesting fisking of the “vaccine” propaganda here:

https://www.westonaprice.org/podcast/its-gene-therapy-not-a-vaccine/

Looks like he might be an American version of Dr Mike Yeadon.

415530 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1085 of 1646 🔗

That’s powerful stuff there.

415698 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1086 of 1646 🔗

This is an excellent point from the inerview:

I have colleagues, I’m sure you do too, friends and acquaintances who are going for [the vax]. What can we tell these people or share with them that might wake them up?

That’s a complex issue and I have chosen a long time ago to not engage in the energy of this waking sleeping metaphor because the fact of the matter is if people are conditioned to react to fear, this is reflexive and it’s not conscious. If we examine our behavior and what we do is engage in self-harm because we are convinced that somehow or another, there’s a worse future ahead of us, that’s something that I don’t have an ability to say facts are going ever to overcome. I have yet to meet in my life someone who allowed a fact to overwhelm a belief. Once you’ve adopted a belief, facts are not welcome because what they do is, they not only indict your belief but they indict the energy that you hold that says, “I have to believe what I’m told.”
The minute you try to engage with facts, all you do is trigger conflict.

415603 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1087 of 1646 🔗

David Martin has been a sceptic long before Yeadon stood forward, he used to have a utube channel probably banned by now

415610 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1088 of 1646 🔗

Nope he’s still there David Martin World.

415642 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1089 of 1646 🔗

Very good, thank you.
Worth sharing a lot!

415671 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1090 of 1646 🔗

Excerpt:

COVID 19 is not a disease. It is a series of clinical symptoms. It is a giant umbrella of things associated with what used to be associated with influenza and with other febrile diseases. The problem that we have is that in February, the World Health Organization was clear in stating that there should not be a conflation between the two of these things. One is a virus, in their definition and one is a set of clinical symptoms. The illusion in February was that SARS-CoV-2 caused COVID-19. The problem with that definition and with the expectation is that the majority of people who test positive using the RT-PCR method for testing, for fragments of what is associated with SARS-CoV-2 are not ill at all. The illusion that the virus causes a disease fell apart. That’s the reason why they invented the term asymptomatic carrier.

415982 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Cheezilla, #1091 of 1646 🔗

He sounds an awful lot like Jon Rappaport who has been joking in on this for months… good on them.

415498 Two-Six, 5, #1092 of 1646 🔗

This is good. This video explains how the PCR tests works very clearly and also what it’s pitfalls are. The lady has some concrete criticisms of it and the way it is being abused.
Worth sharing with the brainwashed. They might even watch it because she is pretty, has nice teeth, hair and smiles a lot.
The Truth About PCR Tests-DR Sam Bailey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNkJUDctdk

415508 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 9, #1093 of 1646 🔗

Today’s Sunday Times features a sympathetic interview with Neil O’Brien. Apparently, he now wants to focus on the levelling-up agenda. Well, good luck with that after destroying millions of jobs, blighting children’s education and wrecking the economy.

415512 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to JamesM, 10, #1094 of 1646 🔗

and murdering 30 million children in the developing world

“… double the number of food-insecure people globally from 135 million to 265 million – including 74 million children – due to lost income and remittances ”

“an additional 3.43 million stunted children”

415950 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JamesM, 1, #1095 of 1646 🔗

he’s another one for the wall

416024 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to JaneHarry, #1096 of 1646 🔗

It`s gonna be a long wall.

415509 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 26, #1097 of 1646 🔗

I found out last night that my lockdown fanatic, mask wearing, zero-covid, guardian reading, ‘close everything down except for ocado’, sister-in-law and her husband are still getting a cleaner in. Superspreaders

415546 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to steve_w, 8, #1098 of 1646 🔗

it’s the riff-raff that are spreading it, not nice people like us.

415885 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to A Heretic, #1099 of 1646 🔗

As someone who’s foreign-born, I’m surprised at how many middle class English people tell me the social distancing rules don’t apply to them. I had someone get sniffy about shopping in Sainsbury because the people in Aldi didn’t know to keep their distance. They obviously can’t tell my social class from my accent. Solid white trash on my mom’s side of the family.

415568 ▶▶ mj, replying to steve_w, #1100 of 1646 🔗

dobb them in!!!!!

415601 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to steve_w, 4, #1101 of 1646 🔗

It’s allowed in England. Can’t have the big wigs cleaning their own digs. It’s not allowed in Scotland as the wee witch has a hen pecked husband. So my ex last employer told me with such glee that I could no longer work. The only thing she was concerned about was her house not being cleaned as she showed no concern for my unemployment.

415513 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1102 of 1646 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/14/a-mask-free-supermarket-has-made-news-but-its-publicity-you-can-live-without

If you don’t want to read a load of sanctimonious clap trap (even by Grauniad standards), don’t click on the link above.

415526 ▶▶ danny, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1103 of 1646 🔗

Well now I just had to click on it after that intro.
Best part is the way that after all this time, after all the psychological impact studies, the concerns about recycled air, the enormous mental health concerns around masks, this journalist still incredibly uses the old line “it’s not a big deal, just wear a mask”.

415553 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to danny, 3, #1104 of 1646 🔗

Comments are never allowed on this author’s pieces. I assume that this is due to the “quality” of the work.

415880 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1105 of 1646 🔗

Most Guardian articles don’t allow comments.

415948 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, #1106 of 1646 🔗

it’s not a big deal, just kiss my arse

415545 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1107 of 1646 🔗

oh, the horror! The horror!

415658 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1108 of 1646 🔗

Have you seen the video yet? It’s pretty shocking. No, it’s not the Weeknd’s Super Bowl performance. It’s even worse.
The 15-second video, from an NBC news reporter , shows shoppers and workers inside an independent Florida supermarket going about their business … maskless.

415514 DanClarke, 18, #1109 of 1646 🔗

In the Westminster Bubble, they think everyone is cowering in their homes waiting for the jab

415519 danny, replying to danny, 21, #1110 of 1646 🔗

15 million sheeples have had their miracle elixir. Mid February and every single day lost is another business, more depression, more lost family time.
So the great news is that come APRIL we might be allowed to sit on a park bench without fear of arrest.
Worst thing is, you just know most people will be rejoicing at this headline, whilst a few more will be calling it too soon.

415521 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to danny, 6, #1111 of 1646 🔗
415539 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, 8, #1112 of 1646 🔗

I sit on benches now without fear of arrest, danny. Be the ‘old normal’ you want to see !

415520 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1113 of 1646 🔗

oh dear

415527 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to steve_w, 8, #1114 of 1646 🔗

Back to the late 1800s then. Well done Boris, you fucking imbecile.

415523 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1115 of 1646 🔗

The chancellor says the economy will bounce back like a spring. He would say that wouldn’t he

I don’t think so

Any business that has been subject of a ‘temporary’ closure/suspension in the past twelve months is gone. Gone forever

For a business to function there needs to be some degree of planning and certainty

The assurances that restrictions will be lifted on any given day are not worth the paper they are written on and usually countermanded within 24 hours.

Once open/operating these businesses are subject of the whims of the lunatic modelers. One click of a mouse and it’s shutdown once again

Then there is the constant harassment by the nothing to lose government, police and council officials which wears down and destroys the will to go on

It is impossible for these businesses to survive

Airlines, airports, pubs, cafes, restaurants, shops. foreign holiday companies, hotels, guest houses, car retail, coach companies, train operators, etc., will all go this year

We will be left with a rump of central government, the NHS, local government, police, online retailers, and supermarkets

As these businesses fold tax revenues will dry up and the funding for the public services will reduce causing further mass redundancies

Not Spring more Deep Winter

415536 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Cecil B, -20, #1116 of 1646 🔗

“As these businesses fold tax revenues will dry up and the funding for the public services will reduce causing further mass redundancies”

Except they won’t will they. Because tax has nothing to do with government funding, as I would have thought the last year has demonstrated in spades. Tax comes *after* spending, not before. You pay tax from prior government spending. Quite literally you can’t pay it otherwise.

If there are mass redundancies, there is *more* capacity for public services not less as there are more people available that government can hire and train,

Keeping money in the hands of people, however, means that business will bounce back and the private sector will be back in full swing by the summer. And hopefully quite a lot of the dead wood will have gone, meaning more space for those businesses with better capital structures to expand.



415550 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #1117 of 1646 🔗

Your MMT theory has as much credibility as the need for a “vaccine”.

415566 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1118 of 1646 🔗

And if each one of us goes out and smashes a window, we’ll all be driving Ferraris by this time next year!

415590 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1119 of 1646 🔗

There will be some very inventive bookkeeping before this is all over that’s for sure. Recessions & depressions are a man made phenomena & there’s no denying the planning behind the upcoming one

415609 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1120 of 1646 🔗

Your analysis ignores debt. A lot of the so-called savings in the private sector has in fact been people paying down debt. Unless they increase their exposure to credit again, its not there to fund expenditure. That depends on their appetite for risk, and if there is a big jump in unemployment after the enf of furlough and tax increases announced by the govt, that risk appetite will be low. No credit expansion, no growth. Which could easily lead into a depression given the other problems the economy will have as the full impact of the TCA become apparent.
Given this i personally think increasing tax is daft when all it does is reduce liquidity, but it seems to be ‘baked in’ so the rest is likely to follow.

415552 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1121 of 1646 🔗

OK, now give us the bad news.

415580 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1122 of 1646 🔗

What a smug, sanctimonious, pretentious, self-serving prig he is.
How nice it must be to sit comfortably in your well-appointed (publicly funded) house and preach shamelessly to the Great Unwashed, knowing you will never ever have to share their problems.

These people are sickening.

415646 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, 1, #1123 of 1646 🔗

Just remember we will own nothing and be ‘happy’ – they will own everything including every one of us.. (the WEF didn’t say that bit but they probably thought it).

415525 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1124 of 1646 🔗

Let’s hope Boris takes heed of the CRG letter and consigns fearmongering SAGE reports to the bin unread.

I would ask CRG to also challenge the government, instead of millions spent on pointless PCR testing, track and trace and vaccine only salvation. why haven’t they instigated anti-body testing? Surely if you have the antibodies you don’t need the vaccine (I know, Pharma etc) in fact it’s probably counterproductive and unsafe to have the vaccine. I’d like to hear how they respond to that on any health grounds.

415548 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andrea Salford, 6, #1125 of 1646 🔗

Now is a good time to just go back to the original pandemic response plan. ‘We let you ignore it and you fucked it beyond words – we should have done the original plan like Sweden’

415629 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to steve_w, 4, #1126 of 1646 🔗

You’re looking at the wrong plan .. try the leaked Canada plan – we’re following that one to the letter. I believe the next step is food shortages and power outages.

415634 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jos, #1127 of 1646 🔗

Can you provide the link for that info please? Ta.

415638 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to jos, 1, #1128 of 1646 🔗

Power crisis in some US states currently, with electricity and gas bills for end users expected to go up by a factor of 40!

415739 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to JayBee, #1129 of 1646 🔗

Due to the Great Green Reset though most probably, disguised as Covi

415569 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1130 of 1646 🔗

No testing whatsoever. If a disease is endemic (as this is) then that’s it – we’re living with it. We don’t need ANY testing. As it has always been.

415591 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Andrea Salford, #1131 of 1646 🔗

Boris is a stage name

415928 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1132 of 1646 🔗

Back end of the pantomime horse would be too much of a mouthful.

415620 ▶▶ jos, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1133 of 1646 🔗

It’s a good idea because I’ve heard the worst reactions to the vaccine have been with people who have already had covid (which raises the question why are they having the jab at all.) Something to do with having existing antibodies working against the immune response of the vaccines..

415650 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to jos, 3, #1134 of 1646 🔗

Wait until those that have the treatment are exposed to the next Coronavirus to come along. If certain scientists are right, it won’t be two million deaths , it will be a lot more and a lot younger.

415759 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jos, 2, #1135 of 1646 🔗

Obvs- how stoopid do people have to be! There is no way anyone who has had covi needs or should have a vaccine- this however poses a narrative problem for the govt – for those who “think” they have had covi due to dodgy pcrs and should therefore refuse a vax, but probably haven’t actually had it (read asymptomatic). Hence the crap about still being able to catch it again and/or pass it on
The more they lie the deeper the hole gets…. can we pls just give em an almighty shove?

415625 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrea Salford, #1136 of 1646 🔗

Read the text. CRG are actually pushing the vax!

415559 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to steve_w, 21, #1138 of 1646 🔗

Look them in the eyes and tell them that you let them starve while you hid behind the sofa in your virtue signalling mask

415565 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #1139 of 1646 🔗

Well said indeed.
I have trouble persuading at least one of my cousins that these ”look into their eyes” people are ACTORS.

415576 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 5, #1140 of 1646 🔗

You’d better not tell her that there’s no Father Christmas.

415605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 4, #1141 of 1646 🔗

WHAT???

415743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sam Vimes, #1142 of 1646 🔗

Leprechauns aren’t real either – sorry!

415786 ▶▶▶▶ Cotton Wool, replying to Banjones, #1143 of 1646 🔗

One of the women is wearing mascara, not something I would bother with if at death’s door.

415649 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to steve_w, 2, #1144 of 1646 🔗

9 million people died of starvation last year, 8 million from smoking related conditions. Come on Covid call yourself a deadly pandemic.

415764 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Smelly Melly, #1145 of 1646 🔗

8 million from smoking related conditions

Someone’s been using covid recording techniques …

415533 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #1147 of 1646 🔗

The responses to covid-19 “Threatens to push up to 100 million people into extreme poverty in 2020 alone and unleash a human development crisis.”

https://www.undp.org/content/dam/undp/library/km-qap/UNDP-Accountability-and-COVID-19.pdf

415571 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 8, #1148 of 1646 🔗

What do Fascists and Stalinists care about human misery, whether of mind, soul or body?
I expect the Covidian church of England will say a few mewling little prayers for ‘victims of the pandemic in the third world.
Or maybe they won’t bother, so long as their own pet zombies are ‘safe’. Safe with full bellies and empty souls.

415579 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, 5, #1149 of 1646 🔗

(From&With) Covid has cost 300.000 life years in Germany alone, sofar.
Covid lockdowns and restrictions and their aftereffects have and will cost 37 million life years in Germany alone (Prof. Raffelhueschen).
Western Covid lockdowns and restrictions and their aftereffects have and will cost around 120 million deaths (Worldbank) in the 3rd world, or roughly 6 billion life years there.
The German share (%age of World GDP rounded up) and as such direct responsibility for those is roughly
5 million deaths and 250 million life years.
The British share and responsibility is for 4 million deaths and 200 million life years there, the lost British life years numbers will be around 500.000 for Covid and 50 million for Covid restrictions and
lockdowns based upon Raffelhueschen’s process, the existing numbers and the bigger government and Covid-only NHS incimpetence and dereliction of duty.

Now look THEM in the eyes and say you want further lockdowns,
restrictions or even that ludicrous
Zero Covid ‘strategy’.

415535 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 3, #1150 of 1646 🔗

Serious question please folks. (I know, I know, unlike me. But once in a while…).

The wife of a close friend has just passed away, so we have a cremation and a service to attend. Friend texted yesterday to say both places require masks.

Does anyone know the definitive position please ? Crem is a local authority one, church is of the Roman variety. Do mask exemptions apply ? 

415543 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to JohnB, 11, #1151 of 1646 🔗

Turn up a few minutes before the service and walk in. If asked just say exempt and keep walking and sit down.

415563 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steeve, 2, #1152 of 1646 🔗

Yes. And if you feel it’s difficult to carry it off, blow your nose noisily and wetly into your handkerchief as you pass the ”marshal” by the door. Then keep sniffling and keeping your hanky handy. If we can’t beat these blinkered idiots then at least we can play them at their own game. (Though you shouldn’t be put in that position at such a time.)

415617 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 2, #1153 of 1646 🔗

Funeral – tears – runny noses ……

415556 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 7, #1154 of 1646 🔗

Yes, of course they do. If the wearing of muzzles is a government decree (diktat) nationwide, then the exemptions to it apply too.
Read the government’s own website.
Even the police shouldn’t be wearing them.

415616 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #1155 of 1646 🔗

The police specifically shouldn’t be wearing them but my PC friend said they get into trouble if they don’t.

415577 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1156 of 1646 🔗

I don’t wear a mask in church, a Catholic church, but just have my lanyard on the bench. I am unfortunately the only one.

415581 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to JohnB, 3, #1157 of 1646 🔗

Yes absolutely. I went to a funeral the other day at a crematorium and did not wear a mask and wasn’t even asked to. I had a loose scarf with me in case of issues as I didn’t want to cause a scene in front of my elderly relatives but I didn’t use it, it remained loosely draped around my neck.

415814 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to End of Tether, #1158 of 1646 🔗

I’m going to a funeral next week. I was quite annoyed to be asked for my name and phone number so I can be track n traced. I really don’t want to go

415602 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JohnB, 4, #1159 of 1646 🔗

YOU are exempt. Venue is irrelevant.

415619 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JohnB, 3, #1160 of 1646 🔗

My mother died in December and we told the person doing the service we were exempt and she was fine about it. Of course the rest of the people who attended wore them as we haven’t managed to wake them up yet. So just say you are exempt and you will be fine

415636 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to JohnB, #1161 of 1646 🔗

My local church is RC and I contacted them regarding masks when the govt brought them in. After a bit of a ding dong (they seem rabidly pro the narrative) it was understood that I would be able to attend as they were respecting the govt guidelines (how could they not?)

So as Steeve says below just turn up and let them know if asked you are exempt. That should be enough.

415726 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1162 of 1646 🔗

Just say if God says I must wear one then I will otherwise …………

415537 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1163 of 1646 🔗

An interesting development on the Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-lockdown-end-uk-cases-deaths-quarantine-vaccine/

Here is the current headline: Covid latest  Vaccine passports to enter pubs and shops ‘under consideration’

However, the item itself disappeared without trace a few minutes ago. Its claim wasn’t attributed to any politician or scientist or anyone, so was it click-bait bollocks? I think so.

415558 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1164 of 1646 🔗

The bastards are certainly looking to see how far they can push.

Their priority from the start has been saving face. The last thing they want is to be seen as being forced into a humiliating climbdown, and the way to avoid that is to push and humiliate to the very limit of what they can get away with, but not quite so far and fast that people revolt. Because determined resistance, if they go so far as to provoke it, will end them.

Kicks and kindness, but they they do need to keep getting in the kicks, otherwise it will look too much like a climbdown.

415613 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ovis, 1, #1165 of 1646 🔗

Well they’ve been wearing hobnailed boots this week!

415573 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1166 of 1646 🔗

Just have a general scan of comments here, I note a few are weighing up the least harmful vaccine, should they decide they have to take it. Surely, the important thing is, the more people that don’t comply, the less likely they can make it compulsory, or certainly the more difficult it will be, just as we agreed if masks, rules had not been complied with this would now have ended. I also doubt they can even legally mandate compulsory vaccine as it goes against international law, their own current laws on giving vaccines, that is coercion is not legal, and the recent European Council decision that mandated or coerced vaccines are not lawful. Secondly, this is still an untrialled drug on emergency approval, with the intent on providing protection for the vulnerable only, not for general roll out on the population. Thus even more important to refuse any of the vaccines as this is a dangerous slope, in that now they have breached the safety standards, enormously tightened after the thalidomide scandal, future drugs and vaccines will potentially be ‘approved’ with minimal trials – the public being the guinea pigs. Always the case, give them an inch …
Certainly, the BS from Raab, eluding that entry to supermarkets, that is your access to food, would only be permitted with a vaccine is ludicrous. Yes, I know where we are now is ludicrous, but this mandatory vaccine narrative, I feel, is scare tactics as uptake of the vaccine for under 60s is probably expected to be below what they hoped for – they have after all 300 million doses to get rid of.

415586 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Hattie, 6, #1167 of 1646 🔗

Those twats can say whatever the fuck they like, it doesn’t change this:

Article 6 (‘Consent’ ) of UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights states:

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html#:~:text=Article%206%20%E2%80%93%20Consent&text=The%20consent%20should%2C%20where%20appropriate,consent%20of%20the%20person%20concerned .

415611 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #1168 of 1646 🔗

Have you seen the NHS information leaflet on the covid vax?
It’s full of lies!

415612 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1169 of 1646 🔗

It’s a great time to be a lawyer!

415661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1170 of 1646 🔗

So where the bloody hell are they all?
We need some of them advertising ATL

415984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Cheezilla, #1171 of 1646 🔗

I emailed images of the leaflet to Toby as page 3 stated a 1 in 100 risk of death for the over 75yrs if they catch the virus. We discussed it on here on Thursday. Despicable misinformation to frighten older people.

415604 ▶▶ jos, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1172 of 1646 🔗

There seems to be a lot of editing of narratives today – I heard Raab this morning say lockdown and all rules and restrictions would be abolished by May not to return and that has now disappeared- did anyone else hear this?

415794 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tenchy, #1173 of 1646 🔗

Still on the Daily Mail website: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259043/Dominic-Raab-says-vaccine-passports-used-inside-UK.html

Dominic Raab is the person you’re looking for.

415892 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ConstantBees, #1174 of 1646 🔗

The wider question is how ignorant protoo-fascists like Raab and colleagues wormed their way into positions of power.

415540 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 42, #1175 of 1646 🔗

Its official Chepstow is a dead zone littered with zombies.I machined gunned the line of the feckless masked victims with my eyes outside of that Zionist grocer Marx and Sparx.I refuse to argue or reason with anyone about this shite ever again.
As a Nurse I’ve tracked and traced this bullshit and eventually have come full circle.I dont believe the existence of a non isolated non purified virus.
I’ve witnessed nothing but involuntary Euthanasia and the regular cycle of seasonal Respiratory diseases.
I’ve been exposed to hundreds of so called cases and yet I’ve had not had a sniffle or cough according to MSM I should be brown bread.
It’s a Hoax, scam and Medical fraud.

415564 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Teddy Edward, 10, #1176 of 1646 🔗

Chepstow? That’s really sad. Used to call there on my way to visit friends in England. Pub near the castle did the best meat pies ever tasted. Then a stroll by the river, or a mooch along the handsome and friendly high street.
Bozo and Dungford will roast on the same spit in hell. Hope the pub owner gets to turn it.

415570 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Annie, 8, #1177 of 1646 🔗

You would run from the place screaming Annie if you ventured there today.But only a few miles away in my pleb heavy area it’s more chilled.Chepstow has a significant pop of well healed therefore plenty of virtue signalling.Children with Cath Kitson masks that kind of abusive crap.

415690 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Teddy Edward, 8, #1178 of 1646 🔗

We’re on the same side with respect to the Covid nonsense, but I do find your use of the term Zionist inappropriate. I’m an atheist and don’t disparage people on this forum who are religious, and I think we need to embrace people from all different faiths, political sides, etc. who all agree on the primacy of health freedom and the immorality of lockdowns, anti-social distancing, and masking. For the most part, this forum has been unbelievably civil given the broad range of perspectives people have on other issues, so it pains me as someone born Jewish to see unnecessary references to hurtful tropes. I’m the first one to be appalled by Israel’s rollout of the “vaccine” and have no issues at all criticizing government policies around coercion and vaccine passports. I’m even more appalled at what the Israeli people are signing up for because of our history as the people on whom medical experimentation was practiced, the result of which was the Nuremberg Code. So go ahead and criticize Israeli government policy — I do it all the time — but please think twice about using the term Zionist in this way.

415890 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1179 of 1646 🔗

You are right in essence about being careful – but ‘Zionist’ is not the equivalent of ‘Jewish’.

Zionism is a political ideology that isn’t synonymous with that religious belief.

Most Jews are not ‘zionists’, and actively oppose its repressive, supremacist essence.

415937 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Teddy Edward, #1180 of 1646 🔗

welcome to the Hardcore, Teddy! it’s a satanic death cult, and I renounce it in its entirety, I’m done with picking through it for scraps of truth – it’s ALL one big diabolical lie

415541 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 15, #1181 of 1646 🔗
415716 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GrannySlayer, #1182 of 1646 🔗

I’m wondering the same thing myself.

415547 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #1183 of 1646 🔗

My parents live in Scotland. I worry that, if the country votes for ‘independence’ and ‘vaccine passports’ become a thing, I may not be able to see them again. I think that, even among craven, incurious locky supporters, the line may be drawn before domestic ‘vaccine passports’. However, there will be little that we can do about having a similar scheme being used for foreign travel, unless other countries pushback against this.

I can certainly see someone with Sturgeon’s authoritarian instincts pushing for this.

415588 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1184 of 1646 🔗

I think there are lots of us wondering if we’ll ever see some members of our family again.

Doesn’t have to be due to Scottish independence. The zero-covid scam will create the equivalent of an extremely draconian tier system, wherein we’re not allowed to travel from one “zone” to the next, let alone a couple of hundred miles to visit family.

415744 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1185 of 1646 🔗

I said to my mother she should have travelled to see her grandchildren last year. She never believed me and still thinks I am a conspiracy theorist.

Doesn’t want to see any evidence at all regarding vaccine health, let alone the whole conspiracy.

I think a lot of people just secretly hate their parents and children and grandchildren.

415930 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cheezilla, #1186 of 1646 🔗

I live in Wales, my adult children live 200 miles away in England, and I’m seriously wondering whether I’ll ever see them again

She’s in the trilateral commission so I should think so.

415783 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1188 of 1646 🔗

Thankfully the border is pretty porous – backup plan is don a hazmat suit and carry a saltire – seems this makes you exempt, or at least Police Scotland will mistake you for SNP sympathiser and leave ye be

415549 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #1189 of 1646 🔗

I was just looking again at that cartoon of Johnson opening the cage. As if we didn’t all know by now that his decisions have nothing to do with our freedom – that he is a useful idiot, as is Madge Halfcock. Can anyone doubt this now?

415561 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 5, #1190 of 1646 🔗

Both are barefaced liars but read between the blather.
dePIffle was essentially telling us there’s no getting out till every adult has been vaxxed. No chance!

Poppycock told us that mockdown is here for the rest of the year.
(He also told us they’re going to poison our water supply but the MSM didn’t seem to notice, being too busy loudly smokescreening about travelling to places most of us have never heard of.)

415555 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 9, #1191 of 1646 🔗

Hay fever “pollen bomb” is coming! Lockdown now! Close the borders! Stay home! Save NHS!

415724 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to rockoman, #1193 of 1646 🔗

Let’s hope this blows a hole in Bozos Green Agenda….. ah no wait, all part of the same scam

415562 isobar, replying to isobar, 22, #1194 of 1646 🔗

Domino Rubbish’s suggestion that vaccine passports maybe needed to go into pubs or shopping in supermarkets is vastly opposed by DM readers if best rated comments are anything to go by. A very strong negative reaction including references to ‘Police State’ etc etc. It’s not only us who oppose this fascist tyranny.

Dominic Raab says ‘vaccine passports’ COULD be needed to get into pubs or supermarkets in the UK despite the government insisting they will only be used for foreign travel
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259043/Dominic-Raab-says-vaccine-passports-used-inside-UK.html

415582 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to isobar, 12, #1195 of 1646 🔗

Just fear porn to get the idiots to jab and boost profits for him and is mates

415587 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1196 of 1646 🔗

Agree, but the overwhelmingly negative reaction is telling.

415585 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to isobar, 13, #1197 of 1646 🔗

Another trial balloon to see how far they can go….
Currently.

415595 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to isobar, 15, #1198 of 1646 🔗

Article 6 (‘Consent’ ) of UNESCO’s Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights states:

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html#:~:text=Article%206%20%E2%80%93%20Consent&text=The%20consent%20should%2C%20where%20appropriate,consent%20of%20the%20person%20concerned .

415599 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1199 of 1646 🔗

Exactly!

415607 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #1200 of 1646 🔗

And:

Parliamentary Assembly of the European Council, Resolution 2361:

7.3.1 ‘ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves’

7.3.2 ‘ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated’.

TBH, it could be argued that Raab is in violation of the above now, because these lies and threats constitute pressure to be vaccinated. He needs to wind his neck in.

415660 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1201 of 1646 🔗

Link for the above:

https://pace.coe.int/pdf/2e0ee40b5d6c4e2e5df5467478961f7561e651733326667a8259ffe25682ae848428feba12/resolution%202361.pdf

also:

7.3.5. communicate transparently the contents of contracts with vaccine producers and make them publicly available for parliamentary and public scrutiny;

415670 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #1202 of 1646 🔗

Yes, we have legal precedent in Canada that consent cannot be “coerced” and that being denied something for not complying (like a job) is coercion and has no place in a discussion of informed consent. Having said that I believe the government, in concert with businesses, will push this issue as far as they can and it will end up in the Supreme Court. Do I trust that the court will do the right thing and properly rely on precedent and the protection of our rights and freedoms? No, I do not. The constitutional lawyer who is bringing all of these cases against the various levels of government doesn’t believe there are that many corrupt or captured judges. In normal times I would have agreed, but this mass hysteria has upended so much that I don’t trust the courts. I hope I’m wrong.

415695 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1203 of 1646 🔗

We have friends in Alberta who we speak with regularly. I get the feeling that some of them are feeling miffed, though others are cowed and ready to accept the edicts so long as they can regain their precious freedoms. Courtesy of the Canadian system.

Of course, they won’t, and neither will we be able to see them ever again. We have property there, which we will pass to them – but I’m reluctant to hand it over as they will be presented with the certainty that we’ll never meet again.
So we’ll keep the pretence going as long as possible, for kindness’ sake.

What have we all been brought to by these self-serving, if not evil, people?

415741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 1, #1204 of 1646 🔗

Could you not sell your property there? I wouldn’t give it away quite yet!

415679 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #1205 of 1646 🔗

Unfortunately article 27 gives them the get out clause:
Article 27 – Limitations on the application of the principles

If the application of the principles of this Declaration is to be limited, it should be by law, including laws in the interests of public safety, for the investigation, detection and prosecution of criminal offences, for the protection of public health or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. Any such law needs to be consistent with international human rights law.

415736 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to vargas99, 2, #1206 of 1646 🔗

Hmmm.. well it won’t be that easy for them to argue the ‘public health’ line when the WHO Chief Scientist says she has seen no evidence the vaccines will prevent transmission; Vallance said those vaccinated are “not safe” to meet others; & Van Tam said taking a vaccine will require continuation of all other measures, masks, etc, for a long and unspecified period.

415684 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #1207 of 1646 🔗

I wonder how Reiner Fuellmich’s cases are progressing.
Or has he been nobbled too?

416119 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Banjones, #1208 of 1646 🔗

Unsure amigo, will have to check in.

415597 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to isobar, 13, #1209 of 1646 🔗

In Israel it has been floated by the Health Minister that the unvaccinated could be excluded from all public places EXCEPT supermarkets and pharmacies. If Rabid thinks he can prevent people buying their own food he is even more insane than I thought.

415633 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1210 of 1646 🔗

Off the scale if you ask me

415714 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1211 of 1646 🔗

One would think the Jews of all people would not want to go that route!

415729 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1212 of 1646 🔗

They have learnt nothing from history involving their own people.

415606 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, 9, #1213 of 1646 🔗

We MUST all sign the petition, because, although it seems a pointless exercise, at least it shows that many of us are thinking about it. And if (IF) we’re ever ”allowed” (and they like that word) to vote again, it may give them food for thought.
Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

415630 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 2, #1214 of 1646 🔗

Done, other half too!

415755 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to isobar, 3, #1215 of 1646 🔗

ditto in DT comments much the same. I’m hoping this will be the gov’s poll tax moment and it’s time for the british public to get off arse and demonstrate their opposition. Difficult as there is no credible leadership willing to stick their neck above the parapet and rally the troops; and the police are nazi thugs.
I am increasingly scared of the rhetoric coming out of the government – seriously contemplating how to go off grid, or go abroad somewhere for a few years.
I often wondered what I would have done if i was jewish in 30s Germany – now I’m beginning to know!

415932 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to penelope pitstop, #1216 of 1646 🔗

I think I would have been gone about 6 months by now, but I can’t leave my 3 adult children behind. what is the point of me surviving if they are dead? I would rather die with them

415608 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1217 of 1646 🔗

Just thought of a new nickname for Matt H: ConHawk.

415696 ▶▶ Janette, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1218 of 1646 🔗

Haha I love all these new names we have for The Gestapo

416028 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to bebophaircut, #1219 of 1646 🔗

That makes him like a comic book hero. I prefer Hancock. He sounds like what he is.

415614 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 11, #1220 of 1646 🔗

The rollout of the jab seems to have lead fewer people taking the test, which may account for the lower numbers, which is obviously good, c-19 lost it’s impetus possibly proving the ‘case’-demic…One wonders how the special needs committee will spin this.

415655 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to yohodi, 4, #1221 of 1646 🔗

Teachers etc have been given packs of lateral flow tests to take home. So that has an impact on the false-positive fraud. Also when people get given the LFTs they also seem to learn that the PCR is junk, by word of mouth. Anecdotally, there seem to be many more aware of the differences between the two tests now – although some got blinkered by the propaganda that LFT has a false-negative problem – which they clearly don’t.

415704 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBluePill, #1222 of 1646 🔗

If they are the nasal swabs everyone should watch this video

https://www.brighteon.com/a3b7a81d-002e-4eb1-a0e4-119e4b4b40b6

415715 ▶▶ Annie, replying to yohodi, 5, #1223 of 1646 🔗

It depends what they want. More fear porn? Up the tests. .Want to prove the snake oil ‘works’?Fewer tests. Want mire covvicorpses? Lie about the cause of death. Want fewer corpses? Tell the truth about the cause of death.

415621 Teddy Edward, 1, #1224 of 1646 🔗

I was thinking of turning myself in for Crimes against Humanity given I was involved with Euthanasia programme last year based on the Medical evidence given?What do you think?.I like the Hague.

415622 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #1225 of 1646 🔗

There seems to be a lot of discussion here about the so-called ”vaccines”. Yet hardly anything about theraputics and prophylactics, of which there are many.

Even John Redwood’s blog today spoke about it. (Though I don’t read that site often, as he’s one of those who preach sanctimoniously and smugly sympathetically about ”problems” caused by lockdown, while voting as enthusiastically for it as do most of the others of his ilk.)

Why little mention of the fact that the effects of this ”virus” can be mitigated by cheap and effective medications? HCQ or Ivermectin? (Or are those only available to the Great and Good so they don’t have to put their faith in the plebs’ ”vaccine”?)

Oh – I’ve just remembered. Big Pharma doesn’t like the words ”cheap” or ”effective” – let alone ”safe” and ”proven”.

415639 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 6, #1226 of 1646 🔗

One hundred and eighty! Follow the money!

415765 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 1, #1227 of 1646 🔗

I don’t think it’s the discussion here that’s the problem – it’s the lack of confirmatory (or otherwise) research.

415888 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, #1228 of 1646 🔗

There’s plenty! Even John Campbell on Youtube addressed the HCQ question months ago. As for Ivermectin – well, it’s easily found. We just aren’t told about peer-reviewed studies – so we must search for them. They’re there. In their dozens.

415916 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, #1229 of 1646 🔗

Or just Vitamin D as a prophylactic.

415623 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 34, #1230 of 1646 🔗

Look them in the eye and knee them fucking hard in the nuts.

415627 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1231 of 1646 🔗

Don’t be too hard on them. They’re only acTORS.

415689 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 2, #1232 of 1646 🔗

And I wonder how much they got paid???

415687 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1233 of 1646 🔗

Haha love it

415635 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #1234 of 1646 🔗

Sorted, Amazon, (I’ve had my vaccination) Badges, £3.99 for 2

415640 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1235 of 1646 🔗

Haha.
The cashier today liked my “Stay sane” badge, and as they came in a pack of three, I had a spare and gave it to her.

415668 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Silke David, 5, #1236 of 1646 🔗

I’m booking my trip to NZ now that I’ve got the badge.

415710 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1237 of 1646 🔗

Look at voicesforfreedom.co.nz if you haven’t yet.

This is one of the comments there:
”We’ve heard a lot from our authorities here in NZ that the CV \/acc!nes won’t be mandatory. Many of us know that much of this rhetoric boils down to semantics and there’s a likelihood of coercion entering the mix, with potential restrictions being placed on travel, employment and access to various public services and spaces…”

There’s a lot of interesting stuff on that site. We’re desperate to get back to NZ too. It doesn’t look good.

415701 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1238 of 1646 🔗

Every crisis brings many opportunities! 😂

415772 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1239 of 1646 🔗

This is exactly how the totalitarians think.

415643 Silke David, 4, #1240 of 1646 🔗

On my walk today I decided to go have a look at what our local press I am sure said was a testing centre, it is actually a vaccine centre, at a school. No-one there today, just a marquee, like a car wash, open on both ends, some chairs either side. I guess that is just the waiting area or sth.
Well, at least this week, if that is where they jab people, they did not have to worry about refrigeration.

415653 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1241 of 1646 🔗

Not sure if this has been discussed as there are so many posts by the time I check in from Canada! When I read this I took it to mean WE need to lock down to protect the vaccine. Isn’t the vaccine supposed to protect us and eliminate the need to lock down? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that in this topsy turvy world in which we find ourselves it’s on us to somehow ensure the efficacy of vaccines and if the vaccines aren’t efficacious we are punished. If people are still on the fence regarding the “vaccine” being a get-out-of-jail card, they really shouldn’t be. Clearly we are at the mercy of not only the virus, but also the “vaccine.”

As part of a “carrot and stick” approach, ministers are also working on an Australia-style approach that will see local areas locked down if there were a massive outbreak of the virus, or an outbreak of a new strain that could affect the efficacy of vaccines.

415711 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1242 of 1646 🔗

Rejecting the “vaccine” might be a get into jail card – which, increasingly looks like a favourable option. As regards the carrots – all gone I’m afraid – gobbled up by the mutants.

415737 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1243 of 1646 🔗

Seriously I am willing to get violent over this ‘not really a vaccine’ jab. I will do serous damage to anyone who tries to inject me without my consent.

415738 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1244 of 1646 🔗

Right there with you. That’s the hill I’m willing to die on, and if I die it will be unvaccinated.

415825 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1245 of 1646 🔗

me too, there is no way they’ll get it into me without a general anaesthetic

415912 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1246 of 1646 🔗

They won’t need to forcibly vaccinate you. They can just make it impossible to go about your life without it, e.g. stopping people from shopping in supermarkets and elsewhere for food without a vaccine passport.
I’m hoping even they wouldn’t go that far without a huge outcry.

415723 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1247 of 1646 🔗

If you want to see that and don’t have a subscription, here’s thearchive.org link

https://web.archive.org/web/20210214173138/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/13/picnics-coffee-park-lockdown-lift-march-8-government-confirms/

You can do that with The Daily Telegraph for any page you want to see, it seems.

415898 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to this is my username, 2, #1248 of 1646 🔗

or you can disable java for telegraph.co.uk and that passes firewall

415659 Dartford44, 9, #1249 of 1646 🔗

They will have a big problem with passports for certain shops etc.
What will the ethnic population say who will not get the jab.

415662 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 14, #1250 of 1646 🔗

Professor Tim Spector Calls Out The Government & Media Fear Mongering, Sky News CUT HIM OFF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SMX9_yBO10

WE GOT A PROBLEM
153K subscribers

****************************************************
Shopped To Cops: Amanda Holden Did NOTHING Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itrM_d7W43c

Amanda Holden being shopped to the cops by Cornish curtain twitchers reveals to us just how fast Lockdown Britain is sliding down the slippery the slope to losing the values we once held dear.

Have we lost our humanity as well as our damn minds?! What has happened to us to see us so quickly regress into the kind of society that will happily shop our elderly neighbours in because their celebrity daughter has rushed to see they’re alright after a distressing phone call?!

Join Darren’s new communit y: http://www.darrengrimes.locals.com

415676 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #1251 of 1646 🔗

Pretty sure that they did cut him off. Anything that goes against the narrative is strictly verboten. The media have been culpable in stoking up the fear factor all the way theoigh this shitfest.

415680 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1252 of 1646 🔗

Yep – definitely cut him off – absolutely obvious

415922 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1253 of 1646 🔗

Er… Spector was out last week saying that masks and SD would be required for at least a year, wasn’t he? Sounds like fear mongering to me.

415675 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 28, #1254 of 1646 🔗

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Johnson is a bastard
And Whitty, Vallance and Wancock are too!

415682 ▶▶ CGL, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #1255 of 1646 🔗

So eloquent

415694 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CGL, 5, #1256 of 1646 🔗

A poet laureate in our midst.

415708 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to The Covid Kid, #1257 of 1646 🔗

🙂

415758 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to The Covid Kid, #1258 of 1646 🔗

🌹

415775 ▶▶ isobar, replying to The Covid Kid, #1259 of 1646 🔗

Love it, but could you add another verse about Fergoturd and Cummings? Or maybe that should be the chorus ?

415811 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 1, #1260 of 1646 🔗

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Ferguson broke lockdown,
And Cummings too.

415686 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1261 of 1646 🔗

Be warned this video about Covid scamdemic is the most terrifying yet. I warn you now its depressing, yes it is lengthy but it is worth it. Pour a very large drink or two before watching!

https://www.brighteon.com/a3b7a81d-002e-4eb1-a0e4-119e4b4b40b6

416055 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bella Donna, #1262 of 1646 🔗

First thing somebody told me in March 2020 they want the population down to 1Billion, laughed it off but it opened my eyes to the possibility, this video shows how it;s happening right now.

415691 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #1263 of 1646 🔗

I wrote an email to Graham Brady about this government and asked if the 1922 were going to do anything about Johnson and Hancock, I did receive a reply but sadly it only thanked me for my email. End of.

415709 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1264 of 1646 🔗

Well done for trying – you are doing more than most people. It’s all I did most of last year – writing letters to MPs and Boris Johnson. It didn’t make any difference, but I tried. My MP was Matt Hancock. Lol

415735 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to this is my username, 2, #1265 of 1646 🔗

You must be in my neighbouring constituency – commiserations! 😏

415747 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, 3, #1266 of 1646 🔗

I find the emailing and letter writing make me feel better.

415756 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1267 of 1646 🔗

Me too – particularly writing to people like Sir Desmond Swayne to thank him for speaking out.

415760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, 7, #1268 of 1646 🔗

It can be quite theraputic I find. I said in an earlier post today, Graham Brady had used similar words I had put in my emails and letters during the Cambridge Union debate. I do not think it was just my words which influenced him but it did make me think writing does have some influence. Either way no matter how small, just knowing someone is reading and taking notice helps me get through each day.

415725 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1269 of 1646 🔗

He cannot officially reply unless he is your MP, other than the thank you.

All the emails are read though.

415733 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1270 of 1646 🔗

I wrote to him in his capacity as leader of 1922 and copied it to my MP.

415740 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1271 of 1646 🔗

Even a master spy would have difficulty getting this info out of Brady, Reportedly doesn’t even let his wife know if they have the goods on a leader until the daggers are drawn. 🙂

415745 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #1272 of 1646 🔗

I believe the same applies, he is not my MP but I have received detailed replies from his aides, I wrote to him the same as you as Chair of the 1922.

My MP is very close to Boris appointed as a PPS (I think) I gave up emailing them or writing to them as never even received an acknowledgement.

Funnily though I did manage to get a reply from my own MP in a way which annoyed them very much! I praised another Conservative MP on a speech they made in the house by sending an email. A reply was received saying thank you but could not enter any further discussions as they were not my MP. I replied saying my own MP never bothered to reply. They asked who it was and spoke to them in the house of commons, I then finally received a letter from my own MP! They were none too pleased they had been told to reply to one of their consituents by a senior MP!

416008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1273 of 1646 🔗

Well done!
I’m in South Lakes so have got Simon Fell these days. It used to be John Woodcock (good chap) Who’s your MP?

415881 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1274 of 1646 🔗

But does your own MP reply? Graham Brady, Charles Walker, Desmond Swayne have all replied to their non constituent (me) but my own MP, not a dicky bird. He has never voted against the Government though

416007 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to EllGee, 2, #1275 of 1646 🔗

Yes yes yes. I’ve had replies from Desmond Swayne and Charles Walker but my own MP will no longer engage with me. He did, to begin with and told me of his “heavy heart”and “liberatrian instincts” but,when I prsisted, he shut me off. Nothing since, even when I sent him the enire transcript of Sumption’s Freshfields Lecture.

415889 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1276 of 1646 🔗

Keeping powder dry, let’s hope. Walls have ears.

415906 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1277 of 1646 🔗

If he’s not your MP, he probably can’t give you an answer.

416003 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to LMS2, #1278 of 1646 🔗

Well, he could but protocol is that he won’t.

415692 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 3, #1279 of 1646 🔗

Did you notice Boris’ subliminal halo?

415702 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to this is my username, 1, #1280 of 1646 🔗

The picture didn’t work.

415730 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to this is my username, 4, #1282 of 1646 🔗

Wanquer!

415768 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to this is my username, 1, #1283 of 1646 🔗

Ha, ha!

415712 isobar, replying to isobar, 5, #1284 of 1646 🔗

Latest vaccine push or maybe not from the Observer?

Nelson urged mistress to give their baby girl ‘new’ smallpox vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/14/nelson-urged-mistress-to-give-their-baby-girl-new-smallpox-vaccine

415766 ▶▶ Alice, replying to isobar, 7, #1285 of 1646 🔗

I saw this and thought, absolutely pathetic! Desperate propaganda.

415717 Hound dog, replying to Hound dog, 10, #1286 of 1646 🔗

Still no reporting on the number of deaths after taking the vaccine. It must be fairly big because there’s around 10k of weekly deaths in the over 80s group and they have pretty much all had it.

415854 ▶▶ helenf, replying to Hound dog, 2, #1287 of 1646 🔗

236 UK deaths shortly after Covid vaccine, as of 31/1/21, according to MHRA, as cited on Uk gov website. [probably the tip of the iceberg, as most adverse reactions aren’t reported] All coincidental of course and nothing to do with the vaccine (!). Unlike deaths which occur within 28 days of a positive Covid test, which are ALL all due to Covid, obviously. As an aside, I found it fascinating to see how many people were reporting influenza or influenza-like reactions following the vaccine. I thought the flu had been eradicated in 2020/21!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-print

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/960150/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/960151/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

415983 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to helenf, 3, #1288 of 1646 🔗

As far as I am aware, the yellow card reporting system is supposed to record all possible side effects (including death) based on symptoms and/or death occurring post-vaccination, irrespective of whether the vaccine did contribute. As @Hound dog says, in the normal course of events several thousand people over 80 die every week in the UK. So, presuming a significant proportion had been vaccinated, it would be expected that the numbers of deaths reported would run to thousands not 236. There has to be something amiss with the reporting system. I wonder if care home deaths are being reported on the yellow card system or are being automatically ascribed to covid or other natural causes.

415720 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1289 of 1646 🔗

The local jabaganza is running out of victims:

“People in West Berkshire aged between 16 and 64 with underlying health conditions will be invited for a Covid-19 vaccine” next week.
They have done all the 90’s, the 80’s the 70′ next week was supposed to be the turn of the 65-69 ‘ers….

Humm interesting.

415727 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1290 of 1646 🔗

Smacks of desperation and an oversupply to me.

415732 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #1291 of 1646 🔗

And many declining to take it.

415749 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 42, #1292 of 1646 🔗

A good new article from Steve Baker in the Telegraph proposing a new Public Health Act.

“We cannot live in a society where lockdowns are perpetually on the table, in fear that a minister might, without notice, impose restrictions that cost people their jobs, their livelihoods, their ability to date, to marry, to visit family at home and abroad, or to invest in their futures”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/14/ministers-must-never-free-impose-crippling-restrictions-without/

415751 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Maverick, 23, #1293 of 1646 🔗

He needs to add to that any use of passports or certificates to deny people services.

415761 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1294 of 1646 🔗

Agreed. However, it’s a start. I guess the CRG know that ending this lockdown is beyond them and are looking instead to preventing another.

415771 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1295 of 1646 🔗

Especially since the papers are now have an interview with Dominic Raab where apparently vaccine passports may be required to go in supermarkets.

415788 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to ConstantBees, 9, #1296 of 1646 🔗

I still think (or am hoping) this is all bluff to try and increase the vaccine take up which is clearly below what the government has expected.

415831 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1297 of 1646 🔗

What has domestic policy got to do with the Foreign Secretary?

416079 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to ConstantBees, #1298 of 1646 🔗

Fair enough.. but surely this has to go both ways? what if everybody did click & collect, and demand the driver be certified and vaccinated to come near your property – After all ebola is on the rise in Africa (3 cases reported now, up from an initially suspected 1, that means cases are rapidly rising) then of course there’s scarlet fever, dengue fever, rocky mountain fever, zika virus, malaria, west nile disease, legionnaire’s, cholera, diphtheria, enterovirus, leprosy, typhus, anthrax….

415777 ▶▶ Hound dog, replying to Maverick, 8, #1299 of 1646 🔗

Steve baker is controlled opposition and the telegraph just pumping out the government controlled narrative

415790 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Hound dog, 5, #1300 of 1646 🔗

Steve Baker runs with the hare and the hounds to suit him.

415802 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Maverick, 3, #1301 of 1646 🔗

He’s a bit late with that.
Should have opposed it more firmly last year.

415862 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to LMS2, 2, #1302 of 1646 🔗

He did point out, “This is how freedom ends.” Then he sat back and it ended.

415859 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Maverick, 5, #1303 of 1646 🔗

How about seeing it through this time, Steve?

415757 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 41, #1304 of 1646 🔗

Well for the first time all year I was actually sick on Friday, surprising as it’s been one of my healthiest years, despite this governments despotic restrictions and living amidst a deadly ‘pandemic’. Who knows if it was Coronabollocks, flu or the common cold but I did the unthinkable and stayed in my bed, allowed my body to sweat it out my system, took plenty of fluids/ healthy food and fought it off naturally without the need to have a swab in my brain.

My dad did say I should get a test just for the comfort to know that I am negative. I think even he knew this wouldn’t go down well with me 1. I am genuinely sick so can barely get out my bed to go for test 2. I wouldn’t trust the test even if it gave me a negative 3. More than likely I could end up with a false positive and be state mandated to stay in doors for 10 days 4. I don’t agree with contributing to the very system that is destroying my Country and my wellbeing alike.

That was the end of that conversation. I have deliberately not told my friends as they would bottle it from seeing me next week. What a time to be alive!

On another note sky engineers can’t come into your house now. You have to install the fucking box under instructions by them from your front door! You just can’t escape this bollocks.

415762 ▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1305 of 1646 🔗

I hope you are better soon! What a time to be alive, indeed…

I think I’d do the same as you if I had a cold/flu/whatever. It’s what we have always done, after all.

415781 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alice, 7, #1306 of 1646 🔗

I feel much better now. Thank you!

It’s amazing how quickly the authorities can completely recondition people in such a short space of time.

415769 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1307 of 1646 🔗

I hope you feel better soon, but just to let you know I had Virgin in about 10 days ago and the engineer set up my broadband, no problem. We just did the social distancing thing (he was wearing a mask) and he happily did his job.

415784 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1308 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, I couldn’t quite decide whether the girl was a doomer (I did try to get her to take her mask off to no avail), or, if sky are just over the top.

415792 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1309 of 1646 🔗

Sky are over the top.We had the engineer in a few weeks ago,I told him I wasn’t happy with a mask being worn in our house but he would not take it off,he said it was part of his uniform now and he was used to it !.

415799 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Paul, 12, #1310 of 1646 🔗

Then the Sky engineer is an idiot.

He will be very upset when he’s diagnosed with early onset dementia.
Until he’s too far gone to remember.

415800 ▶▶▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Paul, 6, #1311 of 1646 🔗

Not as bad as Banham, the alarm people. I had an engineer who wouldn’t come in unless *I* wore a mask. Needless to say he didn’t get over the threshold. His manager then found someone who would come but he had a mask, visor and wouldn’t come anywhere near me once inside.

415871 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to End of Tether, 2, #1312 of 1646 🔗

How can these people be out and about every day and not realise that it can’t be that dangerous…

416001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to End of Tether, 3, #1313 of 1646 🔗

Please don’t call these people “engineers” they are at best technicians at worst skilled labourers.

415770 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1314 of 1646 🔗

Chicken noodle soup, Jewish mother style. Jewish penicillin.

415789 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1315 of 1646 🔗

Is that what I should take?

415774 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1316 of 1646 🔗

I take it you are talking about the new calendar year that started March 2020!

415782 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Steeve, 2, #1317 of 1646 🔗

Year Zero…

415785 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steeve, 1, #1318 of 1646 🔗

Thats the one lol my bad

415795 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1319 of 1646 🔗

Epidemics are caused by people who won’t go to bed when they should, and people who do go to bed when they shouldn’t.

If you’re sick, stay where you are until you’re not sick any more.
You can get a test later, when you’re better.

415804 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1320 of 1646 🔗

Get well soon. I had something similar in the Spring. Felt ill enough to regret joking about the Covid, at that point. Bit difficult to breathe.

No tests then, but I wouldn’t even if available. It can’t tell you anything useful. You know you’ve got a respiratory infection. You probably won’t be licking grandma for a while. You don’t need a test for that.

415997 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ovis, #1321 of 1646 🔗

May I ask, as always, had you had a flu jab?

415819 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1322 of 1646 🔗

I’d say get well soon, but clearly you’re almost there. While I’ve had my share of sniffles this last year (allergic rhinitis), I have not been ill at all and it’s almost worrying! Even from the beginning I didn’t sanitize anything so as to give my immune system something to do. Unfortunately, because of the masking and the restrictions I barely leave my property and so am not being exposed to very much so it’s no big surprise I’ve been this healthy.

415840 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1323 of 1646 🔗

This is a legitimate worry and I am actually thankful I got sick. The people hiding indoors don’t seem to understand this.

415767 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 9, #1324 of 1646 🔗

Who on this website, or someone associated with people on this website, thinks that he or she has the fortitude to run for Parliament? We need more people like Fox Dolan and hundreds others to step up, run for office and shake up this corrupt establishment.

415773 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1325 of 1646 🔗

Baa!

415805 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, #1326 of 1646 🔗

Which, being interpreted, is that I am sorely tempted.

415791 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to bebophaircut, #1327 of 1646 🔗

I’ve thought about it on several occasions, but it’s something I really don’t want to do, though I did stand in the council elections a couple of years ago. I wasn’t elected.
I’m a bit past that kind of commitment now. Ten or twenty years ago I might have had the energy.

415837 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1328 of 1646 🔗

I’d like Toby to run for parliament

415883 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1329 of 1646 🔗

I’d do it in a heartbeat even at the tender age of 67 but run on whose platform? I was in the Airline Industry up until last September and have seen it destroyed for no reason. Many of those I trained paid a lot of money for their dream job and now face a lifetime of debt and no chance of getting a job back. I love to tear Boris to pieces on the floor of the house, followed by Kneel Starmer!

416071 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to eastender53, #1330 of 1646 🔗

Kurten’s Heritage Party (for sure) are looking for Candidates at local level. He’s worth looking into, seems like a good guy from what I’ve seen thus far.

415957 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bebophaircut, #1331 of 1646 🔗

I’ve certainly got the inspiration to run away from it.

415960 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bebophaircut, #1332 of 1646 🔗

Guy Fawkes nearly did a good job.

415776 Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #1333 of 1646 🔗

Not sure what they were trying to set up here – sounds like some kind of takeaway children’s food setup, but of course they aren’t a multinational corporation so no doing business for them.

Police shut down a drive through food package scheme for children at a play centre in Chelmsford “because of Coronavirus”

(No corroboration visible atm though, so could be out of context/date or whatever)

Taken at face value, there should be no hiding place for the individual council and police apparatchiks who make these decisions.

415798 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Mark, 2, #1334 of 1646 🔗

Anna Brees was reporting on this yesterday – haven’t seen an update yet

415809 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Barbara Baker, #1335 of 1646 🔗

Interesting, thanks. Looks like there was a video on her channel, but she’s removed it for some reason:

Video unavailable
This video has been removed by the uploader

415822 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Barbara Baker, #1336 of 1646 🔗

Still an initial response on Anna Brees’ Twitter:

https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1360613613833228291

415787 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1337 of 1646 🔗

Serious question for fellow LS. Why do zero covid cult members try to out-twat each other on their twatter profile photos? Below is a selection of the Irish contingent (sadly there are many more).

415793 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to godowneasy, 36, #1338 of 1646 🔗

it’s called virtue signalling.
I hate these tw*ts.

415796 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to LMS2, 15, #1339 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for that – I hadn’t realised that acting like a t–t and looking like a t—t was a virtue. How times have changed.

415812 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1340 of 1646 🔗

“I hadn’t realised that acting like a t–t and looking like a t—t was a virtue.”

You haven’t seen the fuckwit collaborators “taking the knee”?

This is the modern world.

415925 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1341 of 1646 🔗

It’s inly a virtue in the eyes of other twats.

415808 ▶▶ jb12, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1342 of 1646 🔗

They are deranged. It is all a big troll or wind-up for them as they sit collecting their pay cheque and helping to bring down that awful Western society that they have suckled from since their wretched birth.

415824 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1343 of 1646 🔗

Oxygen thieves.

416056 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1344 of 1646 🔗

The less oxygen they breathe the more there is for us!

415856 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1345 of 1646 🔗

Forgive them for they know not what they do…….they’re thick as pig poo 💩

415900 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Andrea Salford, #1346 of 1646 🔗

Nah – I rarely forgive and I never forget.

415920 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1347 of 1646 🔗

That way lies madness

415914 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1348 of 1646 🔗

That one at the bottom needs to be cancelled – he’s not wearing a mask.

416068 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to godowneasy, #1349 of 1646 🔗

That’s nothing compared to some of the dating apps. Cannot even begin to wonder what some people are thinking: ‘hmmm.. I have seconds to make a good impression what should I do?’ Oh yeah put up a pic with me in a big frickin’ mask on!’ get past those – and another 20-30% probably rant on about how they are so tolerant, united and understanding, but they voted remain over 4 1/2 years ago and so if you don’t submit to their views they won’t even entertain it….!

415797 nic, replying to nic, 73, #1350 of 1646 🔗

There is a lot of humour on here which is good , but let us not forget we are in very dangerous times , a rogue government which has lost its grip on reality, serious economic problems just round the corner .I was out in my local town this afternoon a dull wet day , the streets were empty , the pubs dark and shut.as I walked I felt a deep uneasiness welling up I felt fear for the future my childrens future , all our futures.
Something does not add up , people 40 years ago would never had acted like this, it’s the perfect storm and we should all be deeply worried.

415803 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to nic, 25, #1351 of 1646 🔗

You are right – And I am deeply worried – who in their right mind wouldn’t be? However, I often find solace in the humour to hide the reality, even if it’s only temporary.

415826 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1352 of 1646 🔗

There are many people not at all fussed. I am just as baffled.

415894 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1353 of 1646 🔗

The upper middle class hold paper-pushing jobs that easily shift to work from home.

They also tend to have substantial investment portfolios that generate solid income.

These types can do this for a long time.

415806 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to nic, 9, #1354 of 1646 🔗

So many freedoms have been taken, at least laughter can still go on. I think many are worried for varying reasons.

416021 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1355 of 1646 🔗

Laughter is subversive. I think we need to get out of the habit of laughing, before it ruins our social credit.

415807 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to nic, 32, #1356 of 1646 🔗

Its gonna blow. It really will. When? Who knows but it will. At first I was shocked and the brainwashing, then panicked as I tried to stop the covid steam roller. It gone beyond anything that can be compared to life as we know it. Everything is mega fucked.

In a wierd way I am sitting back watching the normies and their bullshit and I want them to suffer. I kind of don’t care any more. People need to see what a con the system is and how evil our managers are. Once and for all.

Lets get this over with.

415810 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1357 of 1646 🔗

the problem is 2-6, I don’t think they’ll ever see it, I really don’t. Even as the lethal injection does its stuff, a year or so down the line, they’ll breathe their last believing they have been killed by a non-mask wearer, or anti-vaxxer, and that the regime which murdered them has them in a lover’s embrace

415817 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #1358 of 1646 🔗

I know. Its very likely the sheeple will never know. Most people are not even on the first step of being able to understand the The Corona Project and lack nearly all the tools to be able to understand it in its wider context.However I do have faith in people and I still can’t believe that the majority believe in covid bollocks

415823 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JaneHarry, 10, #1359 of 1646 🔗

As much as I am worried, I am totally convinced all those who are 100% behind a “deadly virus” now will turn as quick as everything is removed. They are too stupid to question why they are so scared and will still remain as stupid when told everything is fine. I also think so many are just going along with it all because they are lazy and cannot be bothered to go against the grain.

415830 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1360 of 1646 🔗

Except, they will have lost about 50% of their freedoms and they won’t give a toss.

Rule of six for the rest of time… “oh well”…. Masks for rest of time… “Just got to get on with it I suppose”… A yearly vaccine… “No point complaining”

415850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1361 of 1646 🔗

They will go back to normal, up until July none of them used masks, then they did, just believed what they were told. When they are told it is fine they will just be sheep like again. There will always be a few who signal away by trying to keep to all the crap but eventually they will just follow the herd again in going back to normal.

415865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1362 of 1646 🔗

Yes I have no doubt they will do exactly what the authorities tell them. Unfortunately, at no point will the authorities give them back pre March 2020 freedoms and they won’t give a toss.

415929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1363 of 1646 🔗

Stupidity is incurable. And sadly, as C S Lewis remarked, the worst thing about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed.’ As have the university zombies, and so many others.

415813 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to nic, 3, #1364 of 1646 🔗

agreed

415821 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to nic, 8, #1365 of 1646 🔗

Nic – to quote Two-Six – it’s gonna blow.

As I’ve just told some ‘frightened peoples’ that don’t want to hear it – it’s time to accept that those that don’t want to be wrapped up in bubble wrap will get on with their lives.

415878 ▶▶ Janette, replying to nic, 2, #1366 of 1646 🔗

Yes I know it’s so scary

415953 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nic, 5, #1367 of 1646 🔗

Dude don’t remind me. Ever noticed how really stupid people are always happy & don’t let anything get them down? Something to be said for idiocy.

A large section of society are still blissfully unaware of what’s happening & what’s to come, there’s also a large percentage living in denial, they can see what’s happening but it’s just too disturbing to acknowledge. Then there’s “ conspiracy theorists ” problem is theories are turning into facts.

I’m off for a frontal lobotomy.

415969 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1368 of 1646 🔗

Personally, I’d rather have a full bottle in front of me.

416033 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1369 of 1646 🔗

“Ignorance is bliss.” – Thomas Gray, 1742

“Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.” – Ernest Hemingway

415816 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 20, #1370 of 1646 🔗

Here’s a little nugget that gave me hope today.

My wife read an article on Medscape claiming that only 56% of all those with a smart phone in the UK have downloaded the ‘world beating’ track and trace app. When you factor those who don’t have a smartphone and also those who downloaded the app but didn’t set it up, the number of active users could easily be less than half the population. If this ‘hidden preference scepticism’ is repeated with vaccine take up then the politburo have a problem ….

415843 ▶▶ Apache, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #1371 of 1646 🔗

I have never had to be with the crowd. In fact a lot of times you will find me going the opposite direction. I have made my own assessments and am in disagreement with the majority. How many others think like me is not important (to me anyway).

415987 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Apache, 1, #1372 of 1646 🔗

As paradoxical as it might sound I suspect that most of us here have that personality trait.

415849 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #1373 of 1646 🔗

56% actually sounds high, but you also have to consider how many downloaded the app out of curiosity and then deleted it again.

415852 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Richy_m_99, #1374 of 1646 🔗

Rose tinted spectacles Richy – you actually think they would allow you to delete it!

415910 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richy_m_99, #1375 of 1646 🔗

My dad is a staunch sceptic but downloaded it out of curiosity (he is a software developer). Obviously he doesn’t take his phone with him anywhere he goes!

415874 ▶▶ Janette, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1376 of 1646 🔗

Let’s hope so

415818 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1377 of 1646 🔗

Another song title for above the line:

The Kinks – (Let’s all drink to the) Death of a Clown.

I’m sure I don’t need to explain myself.

415873 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1378 of 1646 🔗

Yes I will drink to that too

415968 ▶▶ mj, replying to Old Bill, #1379 of 1646 🔗

almost.. It was a solo release by Dave Davies. And also plagiarised by the 1968 Spanish eurovision song contest entry “La la la” which won due to vote rigging by Franco’s government (at the expense of Congratulations by Cliff)

415827 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 21, #1380 of 1646 🔗

Nearly every night since The COVID bomb was dropped, me and Mrs Two-Six raise our glasses and make a toast.

We say:
DEATH TO……Insert name of prime sinister evil-dooer here:
All the scamsters are in our list.

We do this many times a night.

This has got to add up to something.

That’s a lot of heart-felt bad feeling coming their way. Nobody has every qualified for this special treatment from us before.

415839 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1381 of 1646 🔗

You must get through quite a few glasses then – a bit the same here. Cheers to you and Mrs 2/6!

415938 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1382 of 1646 🔗

I’m raising my glass right along with you.

415974 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1383 of 1646 🔗

I think most of the current batch of political leaders around the world will be out of office soon for various reasons. Many of them look terrible when you see them on TV. The poll boosts many received last year seem to be gone. Fuck ’em.

415985 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1384 of 1646 🔗

I fantasise that Hancock will find it impossible to be served in any UK pub or restaurant when they reopen.

416078 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1385 of 1646 🔗

Also that when he gets down to Cornwall for his holiday and the place where he s staying realise who he is, they ll kick him out, that no other places will have him and that he`s banned from every pub and shop in the town.

415828 Bill Gisz, 12, #1386 of 1646 🔗

“All totalitarian ideologies use the rhetoric of freedom and happiness, with false promises of a happy future for all.”

~ Dr Petr Skrabanek

415829 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 19, #1387 of 1646 🔗

Investigation: MP’s and SAGE heavily invested in Vaccine industry
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/12/mp-and-sage-members-heavily-invested-in-vaccine-industry/

So the question remains, ‘Why does the Government and it’s scientific advisors so desperately want to vaccinate every man, woman and child in the United Kingdom?’.
Well ‘The Daily Expose’ investigated by following the money, and this is what we found…

I don’t think you will be surprised.

415838 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basileus, 4, #1388 of 1646 🔗
415845 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Basileus, 2, #1389 of 1646 🔗

It makes me want to weep.

415857 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Basileus, 5, #1390 of 1646 🔗

Good evening Basileus

I have posted this a couple of times on here I think, but it always bears repeating.

Tom Jefferson is Robin to Carl Heneghan’s Batman 🙂

Tom Jefferson: The UK turns to Witty, Vallance, and Van Tam for leadership: revolving doors?
December 6, 2017
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/

Best regards

Simon

415909 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1391 of 1646 🔗

Yes – this is essential reading. It was written in 2017 – way before the shit-show and is absolutely prescient on the consequences of appointing Big Pharma boys (and girls) to advisory positions.

415943 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basileus, 1, #1392 of 1646 🔗

I’m sure they’ll say mutant strains, fits perfectly into their narrative, imagine if the vaccine was a once in a lifetime deal, wouldn’t be worth them getting out of bed in the morning.

415832 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1393 of 1646 🔗
415848 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1394 of 1646 🔗

My relatives in NZ were very scathing of the UK the other day, telling me how it wouldnt happen there as Jacinda has it sorted, basically, but she sounds like all the others, contrite that she has had to do this, none of them are, its a game plan.

415891 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1395 of 1646 🔗

Of course.

This is the standard cycle of abuse intended to break the spirit of a target populace and eventually install a mentality of learned helplessness.

415981 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1396 of 1646 🔗

And this is why the 1922 Committee are right: Lockdowns must never be used again as a control measure.

416017 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1397 of 1646 🔗

The way the CRG are pushing the vax as a get out of jail card, I doubt mockdowns will be necessary in future because we’ll be controlled by a different mechanism.

415855 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1398 of 1646 🔗

Go Jacinda!

The world’s favourite zealot!

415861 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1399 of 1646 🔗

Winter is coming…

415868 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1400 of 1646 🔗

Down there.
Lockdown zealots like to present NZ as a success but they seem to panic every couple of days.

415866 ▶▶ Mark, replying to awildgoose, 23, #1401 of 1646 🔗

Serves the NZers (collectively) right for relecting that poisonous totalitarian lefty. It’s not as though they can claim they weren’t warned.

Sympathy for those who voted against her, but the rest – may they suffer in full for what they have inflicted upon their nation.

415941 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 8, #1402 of 1646 🔗

I can’t even bring myself to say her name! I swear she came from the same test tube as Blair, Trudeau & Macron etc. The only thing worse is Sturg-un

416091 ▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1403 of 1646 🔗

It is irrational but some intuitive sense leads me to agree with you…. there is something very “wrong” about these people, Macron, Arden, Trudeau, Varadkar in Ireland, and similar clone-types across the western world. There is something creepy and fake about them, something that is missing….

415965 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Mark, 2, #1404 of 1646 🔗

There are just as many questions over that ‘election victory’ as there was about Biden and Johnson’s.

415966 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 10, #1405 of 1646 🔗

Yup. I predicted (on this site!) that both Australian and New Zealand cities would see lockdowns around now and that they will be locked down most of the upcoming winter. No suprises at all, with greater Auckland and the state of Victoria under lockdown. More to come. I think the Rona probably had enough time to get established and become endemic in both countries last year and there will be a winter resurgence around April or May. I supsect it’s nothing to do with ‘leakage’ from hotel quarantine; that’s just where they are testing people.

No sympathy from me. Tired of the smug, holier-than-thou comments from people there. Good luck rescuing your economy and way of life.

415991 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #1406 of 1646 🔗

My brother is there and he’s more of a sceptic than me even (I think it’s genetic, my whole family are utterly sceptical, including other brother who works for NHS)

416131 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom in Scotland, #1407 of 1646 🔗

http://www.voicesforfreedom.co.nz

There are a lot of people there who feel as we do.

415939 ▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 11, #1408 of 1646 🔗

Surprise surprise surprise.
And it’s really impacting that open, sunny, friendly NZ character:

“New Zealand: Police Website to Inform on Neighbours Breaking Lockdown So Popular It Crashes.”

416015 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Annie, 3, #1409 of 1646 🔗

Just proves there always have been more sheep than people in NZ.

415944 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1410 of 1646 🔗

I’m afraid I can’t feel too much sympathy for them. They are the poster child for the lockdown zealots who advocate the insanity of zero-covid. Their solution is no solution at all.

415972 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Chicot, 5, #1411 of 1646 🔗

Exactly. They will be struggling with this more than most other countries because others won’t even attempt ‘Zero Covid’ and will start moving back to something like normal (sounds like many developing countries already have). Both Australia and New Zealand will have to go through long internal battles over Zero Covid before they can even begin to go back to normal, especially if the ‘magic vaccines’ don’t work. This is just the beginning.

Glad I turned down a job offer in Auckland several years ago….

415951 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1412 of 1646 🔗

It’s the same plan everywhere just adapted to local conditions.
The Kiwis have a slightly different social structure to other western countries and the actions being taken are tailored to those characteristics.
There will be more lockdowns and inexplicable outbreaks but the symbolic vax totem is hoving into view. Put an allblacks jersey on it and the dim natives will be fighting to be head of the queue.
mission accomplished, good job Jacinda here’s your seat on the board UN women’s affairs, you can join your mentor Helen Clarke there.

416031 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bill Grates, #1413 of 1646 🔗

Put an allblacks jersey on it and the dim natives will be fighting to be head of the queue.

As a Boks supporter I approve of this comment!

416163 ▶▶ DomW, replying to awildgoose, #1414 of 1646 🔗

Neigh, surely not..

415833 gina, replying to gina, 5, #1415 of 1646 🔗

Could someone help me with a quick question?
I remember reading somewhere that the phase 3 vaccine trials won’t be finished until the beginning of 2023. I’ve searched high and low and can’t find anything but statements that all phase three trials are over and done.
I need the info as I’m writing yet another email to the pudding MP of North Norfolk protesting against vaccine passports.
I’d be very grateful to be put straight on this or for any links anyone might have that confirm the 2023 date.
Cheers!

415924 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Leaky, 1, #1417 of 1646 🔗

Thanks very much – appreciated. Will give the links a look – wouldn’t want to get my facts wrong.

415988 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to gina, 2, #1418 of 1646 🔗

http://Www.clinicaltrials.gov lists all trials and has all the details. It’s easy to search.

416014 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to sophie123, #1419 of 1646 🔗

This is great – thank you very much for taking the time.

415870 ▶▶ Basics, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1421 of 1646 🔗

Merkel
Muss
Weg

Said it before, will say it again.

415851 nic, replying to nic, 17, #1422 of 1646 🔗

Suggest everbody bombard SAGE and its members . With letters ande emails which convey our feelings towards them I truly detest these people contact details are on line , maybe we can start making them feel a bit uncomfortable..

415863 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to nic, 3, #1423 of 1646 🔗

Good idea, will do.

415895 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to this is my username, 2, #1425 of 1646 🔗

Only one I’ve found:

Sir Patrick Vallance GCSA@go-science.gov.uk

415996 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to nic, 1, #1427 of 1646 🔗

Have done!

416058 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to nic, 1, #1428 of 1646 🔗

Interesting thoughts, good idea methinks. If you’ve seen any of Dolores Cahill’s stuff lately this is basically one facet of her approach, and I suspect it could be fruitful – basically to put individuals on notice, that they are committing malfeasance in public office.
Another one who has been doing the media rounds is Dr Nikki Kanani (Medical Dir, NHS Eng, as well as being a GP) who seemingly has plenty enough time to go on social media; shame the NHS is so overwhelmed, hey. She has been quoted several times as saying that the covid-19 vaccines offer critical protection for all ‘those around you’. – which sounds pretty ludicrous; follow this example to it’s conclusion, presumably if this is the case, for every 20 million vaccinated, each vaccinated therefore protects 4-5 people around them, effective protection is what, 80-100 million people?? don’t think so, some how!

415867 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1429 of 1646 🔗

Haven’t read all the comments so I might have missed something but…

Starmer has been awfully quiet lately, or at least his latest pronouncements seem not to have been widely reported.

What are his thoughts on unlocking? And schools? Is he still taking the “too soon” line? Or sitting on the fence? Has he come out against the 1922 committee’s demands?

415884 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1430 of 1646 🔗

Are you serious ??
what difference does it make ??

he’ll say what he’s told to say. Check out his background and connections, THEY are all in it together , not us .

415908 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1431 of 1646 🔗

Well yes, I am serious. It would make a big difference if he supported 1922’s demands, for example, as I believe that would wipe out the govt majority. Highly unlikely I admit.

Just curious about why he’s been so quiet. This last week has been pretty enormous on the famous “roadmap” and what it will consist of, so I expected him to stick his oar in to some extent, especially on the subject of schools.

415923 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1432 of 1646 🔗

The road map is just a plate of spaghetti, the route leads wherever they want it to .
If the 1922 etc had any moral backbone they would have pushed back against this from the start.
Now they have mediocre proposals re lockdown when we need serious objecting to the vax / track agenda . Most of these aholes are top lawyers yet NONE are seriously countering any of this on civil liberties grounds or any other legal grounds .

415927 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1433 of 1646 🔗

Probably away trying to find a personality, though he may have hung himself after reading some shadow cabinet proposals.

416044 ▶▶ popo says, replying to A. Contrarian, #1434 of 1646 🔗

Standard Labour Party postion at all times in opposition: “WELL, WE WOULDN’T HAVE STARTED FROM HERE”

416046 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1435 of 1646 🔗

Starmer’s thoughts in a nutshell – “Lockdown lockdown lockdown, lockdown early, he lockdowned too late, lockdown, lockdown, harder, faster, lockdown, more lockdown, with a side order of lockdown.. who the hell cares about schools my MP’s kids are OK, lockdown, have I mentioned lockdown lately? the Government should have locked down earlier… the Government did it wrong, and we are so annoyed at everything the Government did wrong, that we guarantee to back them to the hilt and ensure they never lose a vote in Parliament…”

415872 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 8, #1436 of 1646 🔗

Looks like the WEF got to India with the great reset in 2016 when everybody git a digital ID based on fingerprint or retina scans. (Towards the end of the article)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-02-12/coming-indian-bitcoin-ban

415911 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1437 of 1646 🔗

Maybe this is why there is not more hue and cry about India’s use of HCQ and Ivermectin – the human livestock control matrix is already up and running!

415913 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1438 of 1646 🔗

OK Spoke to my wife who is Indian and she now realises India is well ahead of the game in terms of the great reset. 1,1Billion of the 1.3b already have a digital ID based on finger prints and Retina scans. Probably why life for now has returned pretty much to normal. They already experimented with taking money away back in 2016.

415877 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #1439 of 1646 🔗

Oxford Start Jab Trials For Kids As Young As 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0FNI9LBjI

415887 ▶▶ jayp, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #1440 of 1646 🔗

This is beyond appalling , why experiment on healthy children with no risk of becoming ill from Covid … beyond my understanding

415902 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jayp, 8, #1441 of 1646 🔗

Shows the depth of irresponsibility – criminal irresponsibility – that this lot are prepared to plumb.

415905 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to jayp, 11, #1442 of 1646 🔗

How must it feel to be giving consent for your child to be experimented with.
How must it feel to be injecting into children.
How must it feel to be profiting from those children.

415942 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 7, #1443 of 1646 🔗

Ancient Carthage had Moloch.
We have the NHS.
The Romans destroyed Carthage and ploughed salt into the ruins.
The Romans had the right idea.

415945 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to jayp, 14, #1444 of 1646 🔗

I find this deeply disturbing. Children are at such a low risk of complications from the virus v unknown risk with the vaccine. Unfortunately the vaccine damage risks may take years to manifest. There are many crimes against humanity currently but there really is no explanation or reasoning for this one.

416006 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jayp, 6, #1445 of 1646 🔗

It confirms there’s a grand plan that has nothing to do with a virus.

416038 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1446 of 1646 🔗

It’s been a real depressing evening reading this, I’m not going to lie.

415915 ▶▶ bongbongs50, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1447 of 1646 🔗

I saw a piece in the guardian where they did not allude to even a hint of controversy.

415886 helenf, replying to helenf, 29, #1448 of 1646 🔗

Don’t you just love the psychological manipulation by the MSM. BBC and Channel4 news have stopped showing the graphs of “cases” (aka positive test results, whatever that means) and deaths (within 28 days of former), presumably because they’d have to comment on the observation that today’s cases and deaths are the lowest since early October and Boxing Day, respectively.

415901 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to helenf, 13, #1449 of 1646 🔗

As we all know, cases/deaths dropping is roundly ignored (unless they want to big up the effects of lockdown for whatever reason) and cases/deaths SURGING and SPIKING is reported on 24/7 and used as justification for yet tighter restrictions because lockdown isn’t working.

415926 ▶▶▶ helenf, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1450 of 1646 🔗

Of course they could try to attribute the fall in numbers to the lockdown -as they always do- but they might have to answer awkward questions like: where was the post-Christmas surge that was predicted? And how come they’ve only just announced that the R number has fallen below 1, when cases have been falling rapidly since 8th Jan? And why did cases in South and North Wales peak and fall at different times, despite the same restrictions being applied across Wales at the same time? Oh, so many awkward questions…

415955 ▶▶ helenf, replying to helenf, 9, #1451 of 1646 🔗

Ok, just spotted another trick by the bbc – show the “cases”/deaths graphs but do it so quickly you’d miss them if you blinked, and don’t comment on the glaringly obvious (and hope no one notices?).

415976 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to helenf, 3, #1452 of 1646 🔗

I saw something on I think Sky where they had the number of jabs given as a running ticker in the top left of the screen….The Jabometer

415893 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 27, #1453 of 1646 🔗

Very sorry to report that my father was rushed to hospital tonight with a suspected heart attack.

He’s fairly healthy with multiple allotments and a lovely dog to walk.

He had his CV vaccine 2 weeks ago so hopefully he’ll be treated as a human.

I’m worried if I’ll be able to see him.

Has anyone had any experience of seeing a family member in Hospital?

Many thanks…

415896 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #1454 of 1646 🔗

I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope he recovers well!

415904 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to this is my username, 4, #1455 of 1646 🔗

Thank you very much. Lord R.

415897 ▶▶ Apache, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #1456 of 1646 🔗

It depends on the hospital. When he is stable and on a ward they may let 1 nominated relative visit. Unfortunately it does become easier if the outlook isn’t good. If the ambulance ECG suggests a heart attack then he will have been treated in a specialist centre (PPCI) within the hour. If it is just chest pain then an A&E dept for blood tests. Either way it shouldn’t be long before he can phone you.

415903 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to Apache, 6, #1457 of 1646 🔗

Lets hope I meet him back at home then!

415918 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #1458 of 1646 🔗

By phone is the main communication.
My local hospital have a family support team that will go round with a phone if the patient does not have one.
I would wait and see how things pan out and keep in touch by phone. I would trust the medics for now but not be bullied about visiting if you felt something was not quite right.

415935 ▶▶ Annie, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #1459 of 1646 🔗

All the best.
If you and/or your dad are mistreated, raise hell.

415979 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 2, #1460 of 1646 🔗

Seconded. Good luck TRNP, and best wishes to your Dad and family.

416248 ▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to TJN, #1461 of 1646 🔗

Thanks. Should have the next episode that we recorded on Saturday out tomorrow night.

415940 ▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #1462 of 1646 🔗

Hi Guys. Thanks for your comments.

As an update they rushed him into sugery and fitted a stent.

He’s stable.

I don’t know anything else.

415947 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 5, #1463 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for the update. Hopefully good news. My uncle has one of those and he’s been fine for years.

415954 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 7, #1464 of 1646 🔗

OOh poor your Dad, that’s nasty, however good they have done the stent so fast as well, apparently they work almost straight away and work really well for a long time.
Best wishes for you and yours.

415961 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1465 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for the update!

416002 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1466 of 1646 🔗

Glad he was treated quickly. He’ll probably be kept in for a few days. Best wishes to you all.

416011 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1467 of 1646 🔗

Wishing your Dad well and so sorry he’s having to go through this on his own. This is so inhumane.

416026 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1468 of 1646 🔗

That’s good news. My neighbour has one of those and is as fit as a fiddle now …….after collapsing in the street and giving us all the shock of our lives.

416012 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1469 of 1646 🔗

I’m sorry to hear that and I hope he recovers soon. My dad was in hospital in December and we weren’t allowed to visit, he was on the ‘you know what’ ward though so I don’t know if they will be less draconian for other conditions. The only way we could keep in touch was by phone.

416047 ▶▶ gina, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #1470 of 1646 🔗

Sorry to hear. Wishing you and your Pa well.

416098 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #1471 of 1646 🔗

Sorry to hear of your troubles.

It depends on the hospital. Some. Are extremely zealous about the rules, kick up as much of a fuss as you can stomach. With respect of course.

415899 Basics, replying to Basics, 29, #1472 of 1646 🔗

“Is it all a lie? – Stay at Home > Protect the NHS > 100K Deaths – An analysis of ONS and NHS data”

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/06/protect-nhs-100k-deaths/

“But what would you do if you found out you had given up a year of your life due to a big fat lie? What would you do if you found out you’ve been staying at home to protect an NHS that has been at an all time low capacity compared to the last five years? What would you do if you found out there haven’t actually been 100,000 deaths due to Covid-19 but instead a campaign of fear that has manipulated data to trick you into thinking there have been thousands of Covid deaths per day?

“Well ‘The Daily Expose’ investigated, and we suggest you fasten your seat-belts because this is what we found…”

415917 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Basics, 26, #1473 of 1646 🔗

We know we’ve given up our lives for a lie. Hence high blood pressure, bile and stomach ulcers.

My passive aggressive omiter is off the scale. But for the fact I refuse to let the bastards win I would have shuffled off this mortal coil by my own hand long ago.

415921 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #1474 of 1646 🔗

They won’t win keep your spirit and hope up

415934 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #1475 of 1646 🔗

I’ve been feeling unwell for about a week now. Starting to think it’s stress-induced by this endless situation. Definitely not any virus though.

415933 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 13, #1476 of 1646 🔗

Found out?
It’s been screaming in their stupid faces for months. Not only are they incapable of seeing an elephant in the room, they can’t see a bloody brontosaurus.

415990 ▶▶ Ianric, replying to Basics, 5, #1477 of 1646 🔗

That article blows the Covid narrative apart. Hats off to the author.

415949 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 9, #1478 of 1646 🔗

01101001 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101

415973 ▶▶ mj, replying to Steeve, 12, #1479 of 1646 🔗

there are 10 types of people .. the 1 who understands binary and the 1 that doesn’t

415980 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to mj, 2, #1480 of 1646 🔗

01001001 00100000 01100111 01101111 01110100 00100000 01101100 01110101 01100011 01101011 01111001

415986 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 3, #1481 of 1646 🔗

00001010 01001001 00100000 01110111 01100001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01100010 01100101 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100010 01100101 01110100 01110100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101101 01110000 01110101 01110100 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110000 01110010 01101111 01100111 01110010 01100001 01101101 01101101 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110011 01101111 00100000 01001001 00100000 01100100 01100101 01100011 01101001 01100100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110011 01101100 01101111 01110111 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101001 01101101 01110000 01110010 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01110011 01101011 01101001 01101100 01101100 01110011 00001010 01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01110011 01100001 01111001 00100000 01001001 00100000 01101001 01101101 01110000 01110010 01101111 01110110 01100101 01100100 00100000 01100010 01101001 01110100 00100000 01100010 01111001 00100000 01100010 01101001 01110100 00001010 !!!!

416082 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Two-Six, #1482 of 1646 🔗

I’ve no idea what you said but I fight to the death your right to say it.

Edit – I now know what you said, not sure it’s worth my sacrifice 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

416113 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1483 of 1646 🔗

42696E61727920697320736F207965737465726461792E20576F772C20736F206D616E79206765656B73206F6E206865726521

415995 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 3, #1484 of 1646 🔗

42?

416000 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1485 of 1646 🔗

Correct night night!

416090 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, #1486 of 1646 🔗

01001110 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 00101100 00100000 01101110 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100

416016 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Steeve, 2, #1487 of 1646 🔗

I’m here and I don’t understand binary….nor Latin, nor Greek. Please don’t hate me, exclude me. I’m a product of my age, place of birth and class…..but more than willing to learn.

416023 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrea Salford, #1488 of 1646 🔗

http://www.binarytranslator.com/
😉

It’s actually quite a good binary joke that I just done there.

416048 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Two-Six, #1489 of 1646 🔗

Nope. I still don’t get it and you’re still pointing and laughing. 🤦🏻‍♀️ 😬

416060 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1490 of 1646 🔗

Clue: Did you translate binary to text?
If you need further info to get the techy joke try: https://www.mathsisfun.com/binary-number-system.html#:~:text=A%20single%20binary%20digit%20(like,from%20the%20words%20%22binary%20digit%22

After that you can translate my hexadecimal using https://cryptii.com/pipes/hex-decode
if you are sad enough! 🙂

This is all getting a bit nerdy!

416077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1491 of 1646 🔗

‘This is all getting a bit nerdy’ 🙄 . Never a truer word 😬 😬 …..however

&I wanted to be a better computer programmer so I decided to slowly improve my binary skills
You could say I improved bit by bit‘

416051 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, #1492 of 1646 🔗

I didn’t even find the card funny!

416063 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1493 of 1646 🔗

Ah well!
I once had a colleague who mocked up a “Tesco Value” Valentine card – just blue and white stripes, as Tesco value range was. Quite a good joke, I thought.

416097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1494 of 1646 🔗

You’re beyond hope!

416037 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Steeve, 1, #1495 of 1646 🔗

49 6e 20 61 20 6e 6f 6e 2d 62 69 6e
61 72 79 20 77 6f 72 6c 64 20 75 73
65 20 68 65 78

415956 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 45, #1496 of 1646 🔗

On the bright side, Johnson must know he is a political failure. Just eighteen months ago he thought he was the new Churchill. He had his chance to be so, and blew it. He has destroyed basic civil liberty and violated basic human rights. He has killed tens of thousands, but saved no lives in return. He has destroyed countless livelihoods for no good reason. He has been merely a stooge to some corporate interests too rich and mindless to set rational limits to their own greed.

He’s a failure, and must know it. All he can still hope for is that the British people are thick enough never to work that out. The people are never as thick as the politicos think.

415962 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ovis, 13, #1497 of 1646 🔗

But he thinks he’s doing it for the greater good so will be vindicated in time.
These people are psychopaths.

415994 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill Grates, 8, #1498 of 1646 🔗

I doubt if dePiffle is interested in the greater good. I agree about the psychopaths though.

415970 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ovis, 3, #1499 of 1646 🔗

I’d bet he goes to bed at night with nut nut & they both congratulate each other at the wonderful job they think he’s doing.

416004 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Ovis, 5, #1500 of 1646 🔗

When he became PM he didn’t bank on this covid bollocks screwing things up for him. He thought it was going to be all high japes once Brexit was sorted. He’s well out of his depth and probably knows it.

416075 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1501 of 1646 🔗

The way he went and hid, during the awful flooding early last year, was definitely an indicator of his statesmanship potential.
All his covid guff is basically as scripted for him as his nauseating propaganda-style election campaign was – apart from the hiding in the fridge incident, of course!

416165 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #1502 of 1646 🔗

If you watch or listen to fatso’s speech to the UN September 2019 , it’s obvious he knew exactly what was coming.

416009 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ovis, 4, #1503 of 1646 🔗

‘the British people aren’t thick enough’ whoahhhh there. They are more than thick enough.

416039 ▶▶ Hound dog, replying to Ovis, 3, #1504 of 1646 🔗

I think he’s pure evil.

416036 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1506 of 1646 🔗

I think this is what Dolores Cahill found too when she did some recent testing

416070 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bill Grates, #1507 of 1646 🔗

Page won’t load. 🙁

416074 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, #1508 of 1646 🔗

Yes 404 not found

416080 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1509 of 1646 🔗

That is odd – I was able to see it at about 9:30’ish. By 10:15 it’s gone.
History being deleted/altered.
1984 strikes again

416093 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1510 of 1646 🔗

Same happened to me, it’s disappeared, but I’d saved it to OneNote. You can find the second (and longer) of the two articles here I believe. I accessed it through another search.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-2020-worldwide-corona-crisis-destroying-civil-society-engineered-economic-depression-global-coup-detat-and-the-great-reset/5730652

415963 Pebbles, replying to Pebbles, 6, #1511 of 1646 🔗

Here is a template letter to fire off from Save Our Rights regarding the vaccine and passport coercion bullshit:
https://saveourrights.uk/medical-freedom-bill/
Please send off and share widely… takes less than 5 mins…!

415964 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Pebbles, 2, #1512 of 1646 🔗

Thanks will check it out tomorrow!

416045 ▶▶ gina, replying to Pebbles, 1, #1513 of 1646 🔗

Thanks for posting this. Good letter. Signed and posted on.

415967 JYC, replying to JYC, 7, #1514 of 1646 🔗

I’ve read the contribution of the reader going to Florida. Well done! Enjoy every minute. You’ve earned it.

415975 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JYC, #1515 of 1646 🔗

Yep, made me laugh!

415977 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to JYC, #1516 of 1646 🔗

As others have pointed out. He would get on the plane even.

415971 GCarty80, replying to GCarty80, 7, #1517 of 1646 🔗

I was reading Noah Carl’s article about the seasonality of coronaviruses, and there’s a sixth possible explanation why coronaviruses (along with most other respiratory viruses) are a bigger problem in winter, which comes from Prof. Patrick Shaw Stewart (read his Twitter feed or his blog “ Old Wives and Virologists “).

His view is based on the fact that the ideal respiratory virus (from an evolutionary perspective) is one that (like common cold viruses) spreads while doing the minimum possible damage to its hosts, and that one way it can do this is to be most active at a temperature somewhat below body temperature: that will ensure it multiples in the throat passage (optimal for spreading) and not the lungs (where it would make its host seriously ill).

On a lighter note, you may also be interested in a Covid-themed Downfall mashup !

415989 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GCarty80, 4, #1518 of 1646 🔗

That link is broken I think.
What I really want to know is what role do Fishermen’s Friends have in combating covids, pretty effective I should imagine.

415992 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1519 of 1646 🔗

Probably nothing since they took all the “exciting” compounds out of them 😉

416013 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GCarty80, 9, #1520 of 1646 🔗

Evolving to become more deadly is an evolutionary dead end.

Technically although viruses aren’t arguably living organisms, the purpose of all life is to propagate. Killing your host quickly is suicide, a road to extinction!

I’ve been saying this since day one, as time goes on Covid-19 will become a much less harmful pathogen. It wasn’t a particularly dangerous one to start with. We all know the death figures are corrupt to suit the government narrative.

416018 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to GCarty80, 2, #1521 of 1646 🔗

Listened to video thought it was very interesting especially how we all carry viruses all year round becoming active due to temperature.

416005 AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #1522 of 1646 🔗

Paul Joseph Watson is a full on sceptic

Check out some great shorts on his second channel Anything Goes

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC6x4zJADfr5Z4w-bf8lbrcg

416020 Julian, 29, #1523 of 1646 🔗

Went to Battersea Park today – car park full, park as busy as a day in high summer. Around 10% outdoor muzzling, mainly virtue signalling 20somethings as opposed to round our way where it’s mainly the frightened old who mask outdoors.

Not much sign of social distancing or swerving, playground busy, kids playing in the cricket nets, lots of people obviously out for a coffee and a catchup with friends, benches all in use, no tape to be seen, no covid marshals, no cops that I saw.

Vaguely encouraging – plenty of people want to LIVE. Just need them to get angry and feel they can make a difference.

416025 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1524 of 1646 🔗

UK Gov may grant vax exemption to minorities to avoid charges of racism:

Report: UK Government Could Grant Vaccine Exemptions to Ethnic Minorities – Summit News

I expect to see this show up in the US as well, where the value of citizenship and the dark blue passport is rapidly plummeting to zero.

I know that Cornell University in NY state has already floated the idea that minorities should be exempt from mandatory vaccinations for in-person attendance because racism.

416030 ▶▶ CGL, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1525 of 1646 🔗

But that’s discrimination against non-minorities!

416035 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to CGL, 7, #1526 of 1646 🔗

That’s allowed, according to multiculturalists. The majority doesn’t count – directly opposite to democracy.

416069 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Alice, 5, #1527 of 1646 🔗

I might self-identify as a minority then – that must be allowed.

And anyway – we are a minority!!

416089 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to CGL, 3, #1528 of 1646 🔗

Make yourself a minority, I’m a Polkadist follower, that achient and not well known relion from Atlantis, where we forbid the interference of mother nature on our bodies, so no jab for me. As far as I know only me and my wife are practicing Polkadist. You can convert and join us, but all possessions must be sacrified to our lord Polkadime. As I’m the trustee of lord Polkadime you can leave your possessions with me in trust of our glorious lord Polkadime. You will be saved from the Jab!!!

416032 ▶▶ Alice, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1529 of 1646 🔗

I’m definitely trans-racial – that’s how I see myself: a human being, transcending the current concept of “race”.

416057 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1530 of 1646 🔗

So I have to decide which sector of the BAME community I want to identify with?
There are some very nice burka-wearing Arab ladies living on my street. That could be quite useful!

416083 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1531 of 1646 🔗

Will they also grant exemption on religious grounds?

416099 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bugle, 4, #1532 of 1646 🔗

Do Jedi’s need to have a vax?

416140 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1533 of 1646 🔗

I guess all you need is one of those genetic tests they keep advertising. Ones where most people come out 2% African. That should be enough for an exemption.

416029 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1534 of 1646 🔗

A DISGUSTING attack on the pre-released Planet Lockdown interviews in Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/02/12/planet-lockdown-film-spreading-unfounded-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-coronavirus/?sh=357bcbae2a8f

And guess from whom the author receives funding? It says so in his blurb. SICK!

Oh, and this: “The lead characters in the video didn’t seem to have that much diversity either, of opinion, as well as of racial, ethnic, and educational background.”

IF we get through this, it is time to END POLITICAL CORRECTNESS forever!

416041 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1535 of 1646 🔗

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

Is a political weapon & it’s helping those wielding it win a political war, to many people are late arrivals to the battleground. Identity politics & particularly trans rights movement are exceptionally harmful, trouble is people don’t take the danger seriously.

People never used to take PC advocates seriously or the idiotic uni qualifications not worth the paper they were printed on, now all these indoctrinated zombies have infiltrated institutions, government agencies, NGO’s & HR departments to do their neo-liberal puppet masters bidding.

The war may have already been lost.

416053 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1536 of 1646 🔗

Most people still don’t take them seriously now.
It’s being promulgated by the MSM and schools. In other words, Common Purpose is successfully infiltrating.

416049 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1537 of 1646 🔗

Forbes is a disgusting rag!
Bruce Lee describes himself as an avocado eater, though I could provide several more accurate descriptions.
He should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-EgZ1Nq06w&feature=youtu.be

416040 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1538 of 1646 🔗

Well, well, well, look what I found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276722/

This “wheel” is the basis of the infamous Sage report that recommended: “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened… The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard‐hitting emotional messaging based on accurate information about risk”

416050 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1539 of 1646 🔗

Downloaded for posterity!

416052 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1540 of 1646 🔗

sinister, everything about this is

416054 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1541 of 1646 🔗

Interestingly, and we’ll never know, but I very much doubt that ‘those who are complacent’ or ‘do not feel sufficiently personally threatened’ changed their position one jot in refusing to believe in this confected nonsense.

416141 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1542 of 1646 🔗

Quite the opposite, in fact.

416059 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1543 of 1646 🔗

Well done finding that. Important document. I wonder who wrote/formulated the apparent question the paper puports to answer.

I notice this statement of quakey fact in the background..

“COVID‐19 poses the most serious global threat to mortality, physical and mental health, way of life, and economies since World War II.”

Nukes were just the hoax some supposed them to be. Didn’t communism also prove to be a very real threat to life during those years, what about hunger/famine, what about the so called global chilling – to 1970s then global warming 1980s the climate change?

Seems a little fanciful of Minchie to draft up such an accepted fact on the back of a virus they hadn’t isolated – have they yet?

Great find, very important to read and save.

416117 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #1544 of 1646 🔗

I found Michie’s paper about the Behaviour Change Whee l too:

https://implementationscience.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1748-5908-6-42

416064 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1545 of 1646 🔗

Yeah, nothing coming out of NIH or CDC are based on, “…accurate information about risk.”

Everything they put out is utter, hyperbolic gaslighting based on the most egregious lies imaginable.